Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - China Mocks U.S. And Biden Admin Over Afghanistan Disaster w-Yossi Gestetner

00:00:00.000 Today was a disaster.

00:00:18.000 I mean, the past several days have been a disaster with the U.S.

00:00:21.000 withdrawal from Afghanistan.

00:00:22.000 First and foremost, I have long maintained, as have many other libertarian personality types, even some conservatives and many Democrats, have always said it was a disaster to be in there in the first place.

00:00:31.000 There was no good time.

00:00:32.000 We should have left.

00:00:33.000 So, at the end of everything, I'm glad that we're finally leaving Afghanistan. 0.99

00:00:37.000 This is not the American nation-building project, or at least it wasn't supposed to be.

00:00:42.000 I think a lot of people got rich off of it.

00:00:44.000 Joe Biden was one of the architects of the original invasion of Afghanistan in the first place.

00:00:50.000 And I think right now, we've got to acknowledge, at the very least, it would have been very different under Trump.

00:00:56.000 That doesn't mean there wouldn't have been chaos.

00:00:58.000 That doesn't mean that there wouldn't have been criticism.

00:01:00.000 But I certainly think the Biden administration has proven to be extremely weak with several disasters like the economy, the border.

00:01:06.000 I mean, gas prices are through the roof.

00:01:08.000 Inflation is through the roof.

00:01:09.000 And then you see this.

00:01:11.000 When the disaster began unfolding, where was Joe Biden?

00:01:13.000 Where was Jen Psaki on vacation? 1.00

00:01:15.000 Well, Biden came back briefly to give a speech.

00:01:19.000 And actually, a lot of people are saying good things about it.

00:01:21.000 And it's kind of ironic because of all the things you could give credit to Joe Biden for, the last thing I thought anybody would praise him for was speaking.

00:01:28.000 But it wasn't his ability to speak.

00:01:30.000 He said some things I agreed with, that... What are we gonna do?

00:01:33.000 Send US soldiers to go fight a war the Afghans don't even want to fight themselves? 1.00

00:01:36.000 Or what are we gonna do?

00:01:37.000 Pass this off to the next administration?

00:01:39.000 Although it was... He didn't... He tried to take responsibility, but also blamed Trump and blamed Afghanistan, so... Alright, I'm not gonna say too much.

00:01:49.000 We're gonna get into all that and we'll talk about it.

00:01:51.000 China's reaction has been... I would say this is...

00:01:56.000 What's the right word?

00:01:57.000 I don't know.

00:01:59.000 It should be taken as a warning.

00:02:00.000 China's official state media said when war breaks out with Taiwan, the U.S.

00:02:07.000 will obviously not be able to do anything to defend them.

00:02:10.000 They didn't say if, they said when.

00:02:12.000 So we're going to talk about all this.

00:02:13.000 And I think there's some nuance here.

00:02:14.000 I think there's a lot of people who are being very tribal.

00:02:16.000 You know, looking for reasons to criticize Biden.

00:02:19.000 I think there's tons of reasons to criticize Biden.

00:02:21.000 But I think let's... I'm always going to acknowledge someone doing something good or saying something good.

00:02:26.000 We shouldn't be in Afghanistan. 1.00

00:02:27.000 We should withdraw.

00:02:28.000 He could have stayed.

00:02:29.000 Glad he didn't.

00:02:30.000 But let's break down exactly what's going on.

00:02:32.000 We've also got some stuff with inflation happening.

00:02:34.000 And I think, look, guys, obviously in the end, Biden's a disaster.

00:02:38.000 Complete disaster.

00:02:39.000 Joining us today is political commentator Yossi Gestetner.

00:02:41.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:02:44.000 Hi, thanks Tim for having me.

00:02:45.000 My name is Yossi Gestetner.

00:02:47.000 I live up in New York and I've been a political commentator in the Jewish community in New York going back all the way to 2005 as a written columnist on a weekly basis and also on a podcast through a phone system.

00:03:02.000 Believe it or not, there are tens of thousands of observant Jewish people who do not have access to the Internet at home.

00:03:09.000 So they rely on a comprehensive phone system, which would serve as a podcast for news, information, entertainment.

00:03:17.000 And I've been blessed to be a commentator there going back to 2007.

00:03:20.000 And of course, I like to be active on Twitter a couple of hours a day, too much.

00:03:28.000 But I think, you know, Twitter is an interesting place to debate people, to hear ideas and to get a message out there.

00:03:36.000 So that's what I do in the political arena in terms of commentary.

00:03:39.000 Right on.

00:03:40.000 You had some good tweets about Biden, so we'll get into all that stuff, too.

00:03:42.000 We also got Ian.

00:03:43.000 It kind of feels like a mix between Christmas night, and we're celebrating this whole Iraq pullout thing, and September 11th, 2001.

00:03:52.000 I was in New York, and after the buildings came down, we all got together out and had lunch, and it was like the most dazing, disorienting, chaotic feeling.

00:04:01.000 And I kind of feel like a mix between that and Christmas right now with this Iraq thing. 0.97

00:04:05.000 You mean Afghanistan?

00:04:08.000 Yeah.

00:04:10.000 Get us out of Iraq. 1.00

00:04:13.000 It is a good point because on the one hand I think people are glad to see that the U.S.

00:04:17.000 is moving on from Afghanistan in terms of having boots on the ground, but the images being a complete disaster is something which will live in infamy.

00:04:28.000 So I think that's the contradiction between being a joyous time and a concerning time.

00:04:34.000 There's also some interesting media stuff and media manipulation stuff I noticed in the changes to the Wikipedia entries to the Taliban, which I think have political significance, so we'll talk about that too.

00:04:46.000 We got Lydia pressing buttons. 1.00

00:04:47.000 I'm pressing buttons in the corner.

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00:07:12.000 Let's talk about what's going on in Afghanistan.

00:07:13.000 And the first thing I want to address is I was shocked by the news.

00:07:20.000 When Joe Biden started giving his speech, and I was watching it, I was shocked to see how many people were actually praising him.

00:07:27.000 I mean, notably, my friend Cassandra Fairbanks, when she said it was a good speech.

00:07:31.000 Not that it's absolving him of responsibility, of his failures, but at the very least, look, I gotta say this.

00:07:37.000 He said a few things I really did like.

00:07:39.000 And I think the important thing about it, why I'm going to say thank you for saying these things, notably, We can't send Americans to fight a war the Afghans are not willing to fight themselves. 1.00

00:07:49.000 We were not supposed to be nation building in Afghanistan.

00:07:52.000 We cannot pass this on to the next president and we can't send another generation of our men and women in uniform to go into this Quagmire, this waste of money, those are good things because it vindicates a lot of the anti-war positions of Democrats, Conservatives, Libertarians, basically everybody who have been saying the same thing.

00:08:09.000 Finally, you get the President to come out and say it.

00:08:11.000 That doesn't mean he's done a particularly good job with the withdrawal.

00:08:14.000 In fact, a lot of people are kind of shocked at how bad and disastrous it was.

00:08:19.000 Surprisingly, you know, as I said earlier, I said in the intro, the one thing that he's getting praise for is the one thing probably no one ever expected, actually speaking.

00:08:27.000 To be fair, though, not everybody is giving him praise.

00:08:29.000 A lot of people are saying that it was a mixed bag.

00:08:33.000 He was blaming Trump.

00:08:34.000 He said, well, I inherited this deal.

00:08:36.000 It's not my fault, and the Afghans are the ones who don't want to fight. 1.00

00:08:38.000 But the buck stops with me.

00:08:39.000 It's like, all right, we'll just come out and say that.

00:08:41.000 You made the decision.

00:08:43.000 I think, ultimately, it was the right decision to leave.

00:08:45.000 Obviously, bad things are happening.

00:08:47.000 But, you know, with that, I can respect that we're getting out of Afghanistan. 0.97

00:08:52.000 Rossi, you had similar tweets, I think.

00:08:55.000 Yeah, the point that I'm trying to make over the past 36 hours is, you know, people were pushing around blame on the withdrawal.

00:09:02.000 I don't think the debate is if the US should leave or not.

00:09:06.000 The question is why abandon the place?

00:09:10.000 Again, most of my commentary over the last 16 years has been on Politics here at home, economics, and the politics of politics.

00:09:18.000 Like, I wouldn't say that I have expertise in the military field, but just, you know, following a little bit with people trying to push around blame between Trump and Biden, you know, everyone says, well, Trump had a plan to leave.

00:09:35.000 Okay, so does a plan to leave mean that we'll have this disaster?

00:09:39.000 My guess is that if Trump were president and the Taliban were advancing over the last few weeks, he would pop off 10 tweets a day, tell them one more step these guys are making will drone them and he would probably unleash hellfires on them too, hellfire missiles.

00:09:54.000 They will probably stop the advancement.

00:09:57.000 The U.S.

00:09:58.000 for the last couple of years had only 2,500 soldiers in Afghanistan and the peace was kept.

00:10:03.000 thousand soldiers in Afghanistan and the peace was kept.

00:10:03.000 Why is that?

00:10:08.000 Why is that? It's because people understood, people on the ground understood that the

00:10:12.000 Afghan government is underwritten by the US.

00:10:16.000 Underwritten by the U.S.

00:10:16.000 doesn't mean the U.S.

00:10:17.000 needs to have 20-30,000 troops.

00:10:20.000 is there to give air support, intel, and to take care of the bad guys.

00:10:20.000 It means that the U.S.

00:10:25.000 The problem here is not the withdrawal, it's abandoning the place.

00:10:28.000 As I said, if Trump were in, I think we would probably see from him dozens of tweets every day, going back a couple of weeks, warning them that one, you know, if they go one more kilometer, he'll smoke them, and he would probably smoke some of these guys, and they would stop.

00:10:42.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:10:44.000 I think Michael Tracy's name is?

00:10:46.000 Yeah, so he made the point that, well, any withdrawal would be a disaster.

00:10:51.000 It would be difficult.

00:10:52.000 I don't know.

00:10:53.000 We had 2,500 troops and now we sent back 7,000 to clean up the mess.

00:10:58.000 Again, I have no expertise in military work, but it seems strange.

00:11:04.000 So I don't think every defense department or every administration would necessarily execute something the same way.

00:11:11.000 This is what kind of bums me out.

00:11:14.000 Joe Biden saying some of those things that I mentioned, I'm like, thank you for saying that for America to hear.

00:11:19.000 Because now it's like, what was that about Ron Paul?

00:11:21.000 Oh, he was right.

00:11:22.000 What's that about those who are opposed to this war?

00:11:24.000 But in the end, it just feels like they're sitting in a room, going in a meeting, like, what do we do?

00:11:24.000 They were right.

00:11:31.000 How do we address the American people?

00:11:32.000 And someone's like, I'm going to say whatever they want to hear because we screwed this up.

00:11:36.000 But I want to say, I agree with you.

00:11:38.000 Trump would have been bombing them.

00:11:40.000 He would have been calling drones.

00:11:41.000 Correct.

00:11:42.000 I think Trump in office would have probably preserved some of the gains.

00:11:47.000 In other words, The damage of the way this withdrawal was done is the way it was done.

00:11:54.000 It's not preserving what you have.

00:11:56.000 And I don't think you need necessarily troops on the ground to preserve it.

00:12:00.000 The understanding was, I think we can walk it back a little bit to May.

00:12:06.000 The official deal was that the U.S.

00:12:07.000 is going to leave in May.

00:12:08.000 Why didn't the Taliban pop off in May? 0.86

00:12:10.000 Why did they wait until now?

00:12:12.000 Obviously there was some either understanding on the ground or movement by the U.S.

00:12:16.000 that the Taliban decided now it's time to move.

00:12:19.000 So the U.S.

00:12:20.000 with a couple of thousands of troops on the ground was able to hold back the Taliban from May till now.

00:12:26.000 Which means they are probably, they were probably able to do that going forward with some sort of a, not even a contingent of troops, but again drones.

00:12:34.000 Or just being there saying we are going to defend this government and don't you dare make any moves.

00:12:39.000 I think people would listen as they did.

00:12:41.000 I think the main issue is that it's Biden.

00:12:45.000 You know, look, obviously the Taliban, China, all these other countries, China's making fun of us.

00:12:49.000 We'll pull that up in a little bit.

00:12:51.000 They can see that we've got an economic disaster.

00:12:53.000 We've got a border crisis.

00:12:54.000 We had leaked audio tapes of Mayorkas saying, you know, we can't sustain the border.

00:12:59.000 It's a disaster and effectively saying we're going to lose control of this.

00:13:03.000 And then you look at Joe Biden calling, you know, shutting down press events, like not showing up, going on holiday.

00:13:09.000 People are criticizing him constantly.

00:13:11.000 Jen Psaki's on vacation.

00:13:12.000 The Taliban have been seeing everything that's been happening with this.

00:13:14.000 And they're probably thinking this administration is too weak to do anything.

00:13:18.000 Now is their opportunity. 0.52

00:13:20.000 So I think with Trump, like you're right, he would have been tweeting like a madman.

00:13:23.000 And I definitely think for better or for worse, Trump was viewed by a lot of people around the world with disdain and fear because he was kind of erratic. 0.92

00:13:35.000 He was kind of, he was extremely arrogant and aggressive.

00:13:38.000 And so you had this, this, you know, it's kind of a negative of character, right? 0.93

00:13:42.000 But when you, when you realize what that means for the Taliban, they're thinking, this guy's insane. 0.72

00:13:45.000 He's going to drop bombs on us.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, I think Trump strategically decided, you know, the whole world is shivering every time Kim Jong Un is going to do something.

00:13:54.000 Trump figured, well, I can be Kim Jong-un times over because I'm the U.S.

00:13:58.000 We have a bigger military, bigger budget, bigger means. 0.95

00:14:00.000 So if everyone stops, oh, you know, this madman is going to go crazy, you know what?

00:14:04.000 Let me play the same game.

00:14:05.000 Again, I haven't spoken to him, but just I guess the way he behaved.

00:14:09.000 So what I'm saying is withdrawing with this disaster just means, as China said, you know, that people in Hong Kong or Taiwan, whatever, should know that the U.S.

00:14:18.000 is not going to be there.

00:14:19.000 And that's a distinction, I think.

00:14:21.000 We've been saying that about Taiwan for a minute.

00:14:23.000 That with the escalation of rhetoric, with China sent in aircraft into the Taiwanese defense airspace, I'm saying Biden's gonna do nothing.

00:14:33.000 I mean, Mark Milley, I think, is too weak.

00:14:36.000 But let me ask you, who has airtight for it?

00:14:39.000 For war?

00:14:40.000 For, yeah, to the U.S.

00:14:41.000 to take on China.

00:14:42.000 I mean, if the U.S.

00:14:43.000 wants to take on China, China's main, I wouldn't say objective, but the main tool that they use is economics. 0.87

00:14:49.000 They keep on investing in other countries.

00:14:52.000 They buy up properties, infrastructure.

00:14:54.000 They lend money to countries.

00:14:56.000 We are busy, you know, I don't know, playing games here at home.

00:14:59.000 So, we can pin it, again, I just want to, you know, challenge a little bit the thinking that Biden wouldn't do, but who would do?

00:15:05.000 And who would back it?

00:15:06.000 You don't think Trump would have lost his mind and sent in a bunch of military?

00:15:10.000 I think there was a smaller chance of China doing something against Taiwan with Trump than it is with Biden or someone else.

00:15:18.000 But again, I'm not making any military predictions.

00:15:21.000 I'm saying if you look at China the last 20, 30 years, their main objective around the globe, I think they even have a deal with, they had a deal with Afghanistan or Pakistan.

00:15:30.000 I think they're announcing support for the Taliban.

00:15:33.000 Correct.

00:15:33.000 They have support all over the place and in the US, most people weren't even with Trump on the issue of balancing out tariffs and import and export.

00:15:47.000 I want to pull up Biden's speech because I think as much as we can be happy that he said things, we got to call out the criticism and we got to hold him to his word, right?

00:15:56.000 So let me just read a couple of things he said.

00:15:59.000 When I came into office, I inherited a deal that President Trump negotiated with the Taliban. 0.99

00:16:03.000 Under this agreement, U.S.

00:16:04.000 forces would be out of Afghanistan by May 1st, 2021, just a little over three months after I took office.

00:16:09.000 U.S.

00:16:10.000 forces had already drawn down during the Trump administration from roughly 15,500 American forces to 2,500 troops in the country, and the Taliban was at its strongest military since 2001.

00:16:19.000 The choice I had to make as your president was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season.

00:16:26.000 There would have been no ceasefire.

00:16:28.000 There would be no agreement protecting our forces after May 1st.

00:16:31.000 There was no status quo of stability without American casualties after May 1st.

00:16:35.000 There was only a cold reality of either following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces

00:16:39.000 or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops back into combat in Afghanistan

00:16:45.000 and lurching into a third decade of conflict.

00:16:47.000 I stand squarely behind my decision.

00:16:49.000 After 20 years, I've learned the hard way that there was never a good time to withdraw

00:16:53.000 U.S. forces.

00:16:54.000 That's why we're still there.

00:16:56.000 We were clear-eyed about the risks.

00:16:57.000 We planned for every contingency.

00:16:59.000 But I always promised the American people that I would be straight with you.

00:17:02.000 The question I have is, as he goes on to talk about American troops cannot and should not

00:17:07.000 be fighting in a war and fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are

00:17:11.000 not willing to fight themselves.

00:17:12.000 Does that apply to every other country that the U.S.

00:17:15.000 has military bases in?

00:17:16.000 Does that apply to Syria?

00:17:18.000 Should we be there?

00:17:20.000 If Biden wants to come out and say these things that are going to be ear candy to people who are anti-war, I want to see him actually put up and follow through and then Yeah, I mean, the U.S.

00:17:29.000 has, what, 25,000 troops in the Korean Peninsula, and so if Biden's stance is that the country locally isn't willing to put up a fight and therefore we should leave, then I guess the U.S.

00:17:42.000 can save a lot of money.

00:17:43.000 Yeah, withdraw from Korea. 1.00

00:17:46.000 From Japan, whatever, you know.

00:17:47.000 Yeah, it is in South Korea, whatever.

00:17:51.000 It's an interesting point.

00:17:53.000 That's why I don't think it's serious.

00:17:54.000 I think what happened is they inherited this deal, and I think they hate that they did.

00:18:00.000 I think, you know, if Trump didn't negotiate the withdrawal because the American people wanted it, I guess what was it, like Trump came in on like day three or whatever and told all his people, we're getting out of Afghanistan, we're done with this.

00:18:10.000 I can't remember who told us that.

00:18:12.000 And I think they were they were mad about it.

00:18:14.000 But I think Biden did realize Trump drew down our forces to a degree.

00:18:18.000 We're going to follow through.

00:18:19.000 But man, did they not plan for this?

00:18:21.000 I got I got to say it.

00:18:23.000 They extended the timeline by three months, clearly did not use that three months for planning.

00:18:28.000 Because the question everybody has is, why didn't they disable the American military equipment?

00:18:33.000 Why didn't they blow it up or burn it or destroy Because they didn't do it all these months because they were under the illusion that Afghan military is a legit force and they'll use it. 0.96

00:18:43.000 That's the problem. 0.98

00:18:46.000 But I think, but the counter-argument to that is, okay, that's why they didn't blow it up two or three weeks ago, but why not over the last few days just blow everything up if you're anyway dealing with a bunch of clowns, you know? 0.94

00:18:57.000 Yeah, the Taliban doesn't have an air force. 0.95

00:18:59.000 I guess now they do.

00:19:01.000 And they could have, uh, just droned, like, and gotten rid of... There's a meme going around saying they got 166 Blackhawks.

00:19:06.000 I don't know if it's true, but they were, like, more than many other countries.

00:19:10.000 Just gave these people these weapons, like...

00:19:13.000 Yeah, but I think in terms of military equipment, every year there is the defense authorization bill.

00:19:20.000 I think the last one was $787 billion.

00:19:24.000 Both parties in Washington are willing to continue to spend on military hardware, military infrastructure.

00:19:32.000 And there isn't any accountability.

00:19:34.000 In other words, accountability not if a defense contractor charges two dollars more than they should per item.

00:19:40.000 It's just like, who decides, like, who is accountable to whom when a certain amount of Humvees or Apache helicopters are sent overseas?

00:19:52.000 Remember that photo of ISIS driving around in that truck that had, like, some American business printed on the side of it?

00:19:57.000 GM, I think?

00:19:58.000 No, no, no, no.

00:19:59.000 It was like a local plumbing service.

00:20:00.000 I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was like, how did that truck end up in the middle?

00:20:03.000 Like, what is this?

00:20:04.000 I think a white pickup or something, yeah.

00:20:06.000 Yeah, something weird like that.

00:20:07.000 Normally, they'll use nanothermite to decommission vehicles when they're not using them anymore.

00:20:11.000 It's a military-grade incendiary that'll melt the vehicle from the inside.

00:20:15.000 But in this case, it's like, hey, now they have some vehicles that we can figure out how to destroy by building new weapons, and now we can Let's fund Lockheed to do that.

00:20:27.000 The political manipulation of information.

00:20:30.000 Let's call it that.

00:20:30.000 This morning, when I was reading about the news and just going over general fact-checking and stuff, I came across... I was fairly certain I was reading somewhere on Wikipedia that the Taliban was estimated in 2017 to have 200,000 soldiers, which is a massive number.

00:20:48.000 And that means there was a massive increase in the size of the Taliban during the Obama-Biden administration.

00:20:54.000 Specifically, because their numbers were substantially lower around 2008 or so.

00:20:59.000 So they went up from like, you know, 18,000 to 50,000 to 200,000 by 2017.

00:21:02.000 Well, that would imply that Donald Trump, before he came in office, inherited this, inherited this conflict in Afghanistan that was untenable.

00:21:12.000 200,000 Taliban?

00:21:13.000 That's a crazy number.

00:21:15.000 Well, we were doing research for this show, and I was like, I want to pull that up and talk about that.

00:21:20.000 See, like, who's really at fault here?

00:21:20.000 That's a really interesting.

00:21:22.000 I mean, Biden's president now, but he was vice president, you know, for eight years when this problem was happening.

00:21:28.000 So I Google searched.

00:21:29.000 Here's what you find when you Google search Taliban size in 2017.

00:21:34.000 It says in 2017, the Taliban was estimated to have 200,000 troops.

00:21:38.000 And that's the Wikipedia entry for the Taliban.

00:21:40.000 However, if you actually go, that entry has been removed and they've changed.

00:21:45.000 I'll just go right in.

00:21:46.000 They've changed the year, check this out, to 2021.

00:21:51.000 That's really interesting because, you know, why those years and why remove that source and then say 200,000 in 2021?

00:21:51.000 Now look at that.

00:21:58.000 Well, in my opinion, it changes responsibility.

00:22:02.000 If you're saying that in 2014 there were 60,000 Taliban, You're basically implying that under Donald Trump, the Taliban massively grew in size.

00:22:13.000 Yet when you Google search it, it said 2017.

00:22:15.000 So which is it?

00:22:17.000 Honestly, I don't know for sure.

00:22:19.000 The sources have changed, and I'll tell you this, everybody is going to try and use that to point the blame at the other side.

00:22:25.000 But I do think it's fair to say, Obama-Biden had eight years of this.

00:22:29.000 Trump came in, put in a deal to shut it down.

00:22:31.000 I'm glad it's finally over.

00:22:33.000 I can say that.

00:22:34.000 I don't know if you guys, what your thoughts are on the numbers.

00:22:38.000 Yeah, I don't know who keeps count on the Taliban count, on Taliban numbers.

00:22:43.000 If it's intelligence community, they were saying a couple of days ago that Kabul can hold Taliban push for 90 days and it held like for 90 minutes, 90 hours.

00:22:55.000 Isn't it crazy to think that they have 200,000, though?

00:22:57.000 I'm wondering if they changed the way that they measure who's in the Taliban or not, like they do with the census.

00:22:57.000 That's a huge number.

00:23:03.000 Like how Obama did when he started killing civilians.

00:23:06.000 Right, like it could be any non-American supporter.

00:23:09.000 I saw a tweet, I think, I forgot who it was, he said that any red tape, any refugee red tape from Afghanistan needs to be removed and we need to welcome in refugees.

00:23:21.000 So I wrote, what's the process for the U.S.

00:23:23.000 to protect against former Taliban members who will then claim they're refugees?

00:23:28.000 It's not like the U.S. 0.96

00:23:29.000 has a database, database of exactly everyone who was part of the Taliban.

00:23:34.000 So I think a lot of these numbers, whether they're more or less, I think it's just guesses, estimates, which if it's from the intelligence community, it's potentially flawed, as we have seen many things that they estimate about Afghanistan being totally flawed.

00:23:50.000 So the source for the Wikipedia that says 200,000 is in January.

00:23:56.000 Now, here's the funny thing.

00:23:57.000 Al Jazeera, The Taliban Explained, they say on the 25th of July 2021 and updated on August 15th, they mention, scroll right down, The group is believed to have 85,000 full-time fighters across the country and exert control over more than half of the country's roughly 400 districts.

00:24:14.000 Why isn't this article, which is newer, used as the source on Wikipedia?

00:24:19.000 Why was the data changed?

00:24:21.000 It's good propaganda, baby.

00:24:22.000 That's a lot of Taliban. 0.98

00:24:23.000 Makes us look like the good guys.

00:24:25.000 Isn't it crazy to think that we're in an information... I'm not gonna say one is right or... I'm sure someone will make their argument.

00:24:29.000 They'll be like, oh, well, that was an official report, you know, from, you know, a military contractor or from the government.

00:24:34.000 This is Al Jazeera, and then someone could argue, well, Al Jazeera's got resources in the region.

00:24:38.000 They certainly have better access to the information, and they're gonna know better.

00:24:41.000 Everyone's gonna argue.

00:24:42.000 But I'll tell you this, we are... we are constantly in the middle of propagandistic warfare.

00:24:46.000 It is... it's a horrible reality of the world we live in.

00:24:50.000 You know, we used to have TV commercials.

00:24:52.000 Now it's constantly... They're changing history, you know?

00:24:57.000 The news breaks.

00:24:58.000 It looks bad for Obama.

00:24:59.000 So they had four years.

00:25:00.000 Hey, the estimate, 200,000.

00:25:03.000 They removed the 2017 number.

00:25:05.000 Now it seems like Trump's fault.

00:25:06.000 But again, who is looking at Afghanistan as a project through the perspective of whether it's Obama or not?

00:25:14.000 I think the average person who follows the news Zooms out for a moment says you know what's 20 years have been many presidents and even Biden, you know Biden didn't come in as someone saving the day He was a senator for I don't know how many years that Afghanistan was going on and then he was vice president So he wasn't an onlooker.

00:25:33.000 He was there for most of the time.

00:25:34.000 So I think Typical person who follows the news a little bit thinks of Afghanistan as a total mess all around.

00:25:42.000 This party, that party, it doesn't matter.

00:25:44.000 It's like it's a mess and I think people are left scratching their heads.

00:25:47.000 Okay, we had there only two and a half thousand soldiers there for a while now and the peace held.

00:25:53.000 So what happened now that everything went to hell in a handbasket?

00:25:58.000 I think just from a practical perspective, not necessarily political, people would want to wonder that, rather than exactly when it went up or down.

00:26:06.000 Might be it was costing us $40 billion a year recently, up to now, like a couple trillion since we went in, $2 trillion I think, so maybe it's just like bankrupt times because of COVID.

00:26:16.000 The economy's not doing too well.

00:26:17.000 We've got to cut costs.

00:26:18.000 I gotta say, I really love the meme posts where it's like, the school children in Afghanistan and all of these establishment Dems are like, these poor school children now can't go to school and the girls are running home and then someone comments none of them are wearing masks.

00:26:34.000 Like, where's the priority for Afghanistan for these kids or whatever?

00:26:37.000 Not that I think that's actually the main priority.

00:26:40.000 You wanna ask an interesting number?

00:26:41.000 Yeah.

00:26:44.000 A couple months ago when people debated handing out another $2,000 in stimulus, the Democrats wanted $2,000 per family or something.

00:26:53.000 Mitch McConnell was willing to give only $600.

00:26:56.000 This was a big fight before the Georgia runoffs.

00:27:01.000 If you take $40 billion And you give it, hand it out to Americans $1,400 more, you can actually give it to 28 million American households.

00:27:13.000 You can give this $40 billion.

00:27:14.000 So Mitch McConnell was willing to sign off on all these big military spending bills every year.

00:27:21.000 And this is just $40 billion for Afghanistan.

00:27:26.000 And he wasn't willing to spend money there.

00:27:27.000 So it's just interesting how people decide the priorities of politics.

00:27:33.000 Yeah, and it's interesting.

00:27:34.000 I think the important thing to point out is the establishment Republicans and Democrats were all in on this.

00:27:40.000 It was, you know, like, I think it's silly to play these games.

00:27:42.000 You've got people saying blame Trump on Twitter.

00:27:44.000 It's virally trending.

00:27:45.000 You've got people saying, you know, Biden's crisis or whatever.

00:27:48.000 I do think it's fair to say, like, Biden's the president.

00:27:50.000 You know, we don't know what Trump would have happened.

00:27:54.000 We can speculate.

00:27:55.000 I certainly think there would have been problems.

00:27:56.000 He would have been criticized.

00:27:58.000 But I think you look at what he did with like Suleimani and he would have been, you know,

00:28:01.000 he would have been dropping bombs on the Taliban.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, but the question is in a year or two from now, how would people view the U.S.

00:28:09.000 moving on from Afghanistan?

00:28:14.000 Will they remember the few days of crisis now, or will they say, oh, you know what, we were there for 20 years, now we're gone and everything's good?

00:28:21.000 I think it's going to be real negative.

00:28:23.000 I think it's going to be a smear on the Biden administration in a very, very bad way for him.

00:28:28.000 I think it's going to be used by Republicans relentlessly.

00:28:31.000 But I do think a lot of regular people are going to say both parties were involved.

00:28:36.000 Both parties take responsibility.

00:28:38.000 To be fair, though, I think the Trump base and Trump himself are only, you know, they're not really Republicans in the traditional sense.

00:28:47.000 You know, Trump was an insurgent candidate.

00:28:49.000 The Republicans didn't like him.

00:28:50.000 They didn't like him when he was president.

00:28:52.000 And even now, you've got the established Republicans, you've got the populist Republicans making up a smaller batch of those running in 2022.

00:28:59.000 Ultimately, I think we can look back to 2000s.

00:29:02.000 We can look back to all the mistakes that were made.

00:29:04.000 I think in the end, a lot of people are just going to say, I'm glad it's over with, but we're going to see a lot of news about what's going to be happening in Afghanistan after this.

00:29:12.000 It's going to be, you know, women are already wearing burkas, like literally a day later. 1.00

00:29:17.000 And you see all the women, you even have the reporters.

00:29:20.000 You know, Kalisar Ward from CNN, she's wearing the burka now. 1.00

00:29:23.000 She is saying that the meme isn't correct, that she made this dramatic change.

00:29:26.000 She always wore a headscarf, but now she's wearing the more serious one. 1.00

00:29:29.000 Yeah, she wrote she's wearing something more.

00:29:31.000 And as I wrote on Twitter, you know, it's interesting how some reporters, I'm not saying she specifically, they have the self-proclaimed guts to go after the pro-religious states here in the U.S., but when they're overseas, they respect religion.

00:29:46.000 or whatever you know if you want to respect religion on whichever level it is then you know you should do that do that at home too and not pile on to indiana or texas or what have you i think in the coming months we are gonna see some really awful imagery out of afghanistan uh... i think A lot of people in the establishment are going to try and use it to justify why we should have stayed, why we shouldn't have withdrawn.

00:30:10.000 And I think a lot of people... I think it's going to... Actually, I take that back.

00:30:13.000 I take that back.

00:30:14.000 What I want to say is I think there's going to be news available, but I wonder if the media is actually going to show it because it will reflect extremely poorly on Joe Biden.

00:30:22.000 Whether you believe it's his fault or not, he's the president and people are going to say the Biden administration and Afghanistan.

00:30:29.000 I think it's going to be really bad for him.

00:30:31.000 What we don't have is a lot of video of the war itself, which we had in Vietnam was all the video on the ground with the troops, dudes getting their legs blown apart, guys, you know, screaming for their mother and falling down on punji sticks.

00:30:43.000 You know, the terror, the horror.

00:30:45.000 And in Afghanistan, we didn't get to see it.

00:30:48.000 They opted out.

00:30:49.000 So we get the doors getting kicked and little kids getting mowed down.

00:30:52.000 We don't get to see that stuff.

00:30:54.000 So now they're going to imagerize us with this.

00:30:57.000 I'm sorry, Tim.

00:30:58.000 No, no, no.

00:30:59.000 I just wanted to just address one point you made is that we do have a lot of images out of Afghanistan.

00:30:59.000 Sorry.

00:31:04.000 We've long had that.

00:31:05.000 But relative to Vietnam, after Vietnam, they realized we got to stop putting our media on the ground with the troops because they're seeing too much of the horror and we're not going to get our wars if we do.

00:31:13.000 Or Potemkin rides.

00:31:15.000 In the first half of the Iraq war they did a Potemkin ride through the desert for ABC media.

00:31:23.000 I think things were relatively stable in the last few years in Afghanistan in terms of the U.S.

00:31:31.000 casualties and so forth.

00:31:32.000 Yeah, our tech is more advanced.

00:31:34.000 Correct.

00:31:35.000 So it isn't the Vietnam era, but I get your point.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, we don't see the Americans dying, but we also don't see the Afghani kids getting it either.

00:31:47.000 If they really wanted to make this project or whatever they were doing work, you'd have to be there for 100 years.

00:31:53.000 You would have to...

00:31:55.000 raised generations of Afghans.

00:32:01.000 I'm trying to understand, not to, you know, just to ask a question.

00:32:07.000 The U.S.

00:32:08.000 figured after World War II that they need to stay long term in many of these places.

00:32:15.000 I don't think things were perfect the day after the war.

00:32:18.000 Probably there were some casualties and issues.

00:32:21.000 So, from a policy perspective, if the U.S.

00:32:24.000 was able to keep the peace relatively okay with just a few thousand troops, not even being so active on the ground, what's the problem with that?

00:32:33.000 I mean, you still have troops today in Germany, obviously not because to keep the peace there, but just it illustrates the point where For many years, East Germany and West, the Berlin Wall came up in 1960 or the late 1950s.

00:32:47.000 It wasn't right after World War II, which finished in 1945.

00:32:52.000 So obviously, any place where things are so rocky and so destructive, it probably takes many, many years to have some sort of an outside peacekeeping force or something.

00:33:04.000 So I understand people became tired from Afghanistan, but considering that the U.S.

00:33:09.000 kept the peace there now with such a small amount of troops, why jump now?

00:33:15.000 I'm still trying to figure it out.

00:33:16.000 Economic, I think.

00:33:17.000 I don't know, because it costs so much money.

00:33:19.000 I think a lot of people, Trump supporters especially, don't want our troops.

00:33:24.000 That's it.

00:33:25.000 Donald Trump gets a big, big hand for this.

00:33:29.000 I have a lot of complaints, but he was adamant about getting us out of Iraq.

00:33:33.000 He drew us down and put us on a course.

00:33:35.000 He drew down the forces and therefore Biden comes in and does what?

00:33:37.000 What's the connection between that and Biden's decision now?

00:33:40.000 Then what happened?

00:33:41.000 Biden said he thought that he can't go back on the deal?

00:33:45.000 Yeah, because it would just mean the Taliban is massively powerful and we don't have enough troops to actually stage combat, so we better just get them out.

00:33:52.000 I mean, Trump laid the groundwork.

00:33:55.000 And you know what?

00:33:57.000 A lot of people... I'm not a fan of the US being the world police.

00:34:00.000 I'd like the idea that...

00:34:02.000 When I play Civilization, I don't go around conquering nations.

00:34:02.000 I'll put it this way.

00:34:05.000 That's not how I play it.

00:34:06.000 I play to strengthen and make life better for the people of my country.

00:34:12.000 The idea that the U.S.

00:34:13.000 could keep just going spending money in places like Afghanistan to try and build nations, I'm not a fan of that.

00:34:18.000 I'm not a fan of the U.S.

00:34:19.000 having troops in Germany, for that matter.

00:34:21.000 I mean, World War II's long been over.

00:34:23.000 Are we really concerned about Europe?

00:34:25.000 Can't they provide for their own defense?

00:34:26.000 Yeah, so in terms of, if being in Afghanistan, the issue of being there was mostly a monetary decision, then what about whatever amount of thousands of troops in Korea or in Europe?

00:34:39.000 What's the rationale for that?

00:34:40.000 I agree.

00:34:41.000 Maybe that we're not building land in those other countries?

00:34:46.000 Obviously they were safer there.

00:34:48.000 You didn't have any troops here and there going into harm's way.

00:34:52.000 They were just training there, living there.

00:34:55.000 So I'm not saying it's the same thing.

00:34:58.000 I'm asking this from both ways.

00:34:59.000 On the one hand, if you look at the war after Korea in the 1950-1953, or you look at Europe after 1945, the US has troops on the ground till today.

00:35:14.000 Why not do it in other places?

00:35:15.000 On the other hand, in terms of cost, so if you went out of Afghanistan due to cost, then get out of Korea and Europe too.

00:35:23.000 There's a big difference.

00:35:26.000 After World War II, you had the Soviets, obviously, and we split Germany in half. 0.94

00:35:31.000 And then with the rise of the Soviet Union, their expansion, you had... 0.91

00:35:36.000 Not Vietnam and Korea. 0.98

00:35:37.000 The idea there was, stop the expansion of communism.

00:35:41.000 I'm not saying I agree with any of that stuff, but I don't know what would have happened.

00:35:44.000 The idea, I suppose, to try and play devil's advocate would be, if you don't stop the spread of communism, and they keep taking more and more countries, eventually it'll be impossible to stop the rise of this authoritarian system that murders hundreds of millions.

00:35:58.000 So, the U.S.

00:35:59.000 says, we're going to engage them in proxy wars and defend, you know, Korea and Vietnam.

00:36:04.000 They failed, you know, we failed in Vietnam. 0.86

00:36:07.000 Korea is effectively a, you know, 60 or whatever year. 0.84

00:36:09.000 Yeah, stalemate.

00:36:09.000 Stalemate, yeah.

00:36:11.000 And then eventually the Soviet Union collapses anyway.

00:36:13.000 So, I don't know if the U.S., you could say the U.S.

00:36:16.000 succeeded in stopping the expansion of communism, which ultimately fell.

00:36:20.000 But what about Afghanistan has anything to do with that giant threat? 1.00

00:36:25.000 It ultimately feels like a conversation.

00:36:27.000 Because if it's a military threat, the military hardware that the US has...

00:36:33.000 has these days, by sending in a strike team or droning something or someone, I think it's not the same.

00:36:42.000 It's an interesting point.

00:36:43.000 I think World War II they did the liberal economic order they set up like the World Police 1946.

00:36:49.000 England, United States, France decided we're going to set up a global military force to prevent World War III.

00:36:53.000 They call it the liberal economic order.

00:36:55.000 That's where they started building all these military bases and they set up a world of limited war.

00:36:59.000 Henry Kissinger, for instance, is a huge proponent.

00:37:01.000 But I think we've eclipsed the age of limited war.

00:37:04.000 It no longer makes sense.

00:37:05.000 And it no longer makes sense to have all our troops in a centralized spot.

00:37:08.000 They're too vulnerable.

00:37:09.000 We do our things from drones, from far away.

00:37:12.000 So I think you can cut back from Korea even more and come on from Europe. 0.91

00:37:17.000 I gotta play this video.

00:37:18.000 Guys, you gotta see this video.

00:37:19.000 That's going viral.

00:37:20.000 And I gotta be honest.

00:37:22.000 I think it's fake.

00:37:23.000 I honestly think this video is fake.

00:37:26.000 It's a video.

00:37:27.000 For those that are listening, I'll try to explain it.

00:37:27.000 I'm gonna play it.

00:37:29.000 Where you see a man in uniform.

00:37:31.000 I gotta be honest.

00:37:32.000 It looks real, but I just can't believe it.

00:37:35.000 There is a man in uniform with a bunch of Afghan security forces doing jumping jacks, and one guy can't figure out how to do a single jumping jack.

00:37:43.000 You jump, and you clap your hands, and you put your hands down, and he's like, going like this, and he's shuffling around.

00:37:49.000 The military guy, he looks like an American soldier, just like...

00:37:53.000 Almost gives up.

00:37:55.000 Watching this video of these guys not be able to do jumping jacks.

00:37:59.000 The tweet is just, it's from some user tweeting to Jeremy Boring.

00:38:04.000 We tried to train them.

00:38:05.000 I said, how the F is this real?

00:38:07.000 What the F were we doing in Afghanistan?

00:38:09.000 They're not even jumping jacks.

00:38:10.000 Have you seen the video?

00:38:12.000 No.

00:38:12.000 They're not doing jumping jacks.

00:38:14.000 Like the one guy does like a weird shuffle and it's like, I don't understand, you know?

00:38:19.000 Watching this guy try to explain to them and just be completely exasperated.

00:38:23.000 It's insane.

00:38:24.000 I could not imagine trying to deal with creating a military out of people who can't do a jumping jack. 0.75

00:38:30.000 Now, I don't blame the people of Afghanistan.

00:38:33.000 This is not their world.

00:38:35.000 Who was it?

00:38:36.000 Was it Forrest who told us they believed the Americans came to fight dragons?

00:38:40.000 Was that Forrest who told us that?

00:38:41.000 He didn't tell me that.

00:38:42.000 He might have told you that.

00:38:42.000 I wasn't there.

00:38:43.000 No, I don't know.

00:38:43.000 On the show.

00:38:44.000 I don't remember.

00:38:45.000 Who said this?

00:38:46.000 Someone said something about, there was like a mythology that some of the farmers had, because they didn't know anything about politics or worldly affairs.

00:38:53.000 And so when the troops were coming, they thought it was to like fight dragons in the mountains or something like that.

00:38:59.000 I mean, North Korea has been telling their public for many years that the rice and whatever food that the U.S.

00:39:04.000 is sending is to compensate for the war in the 50s.

00:39:08.000 You never know what local governments tell their people.

00:39:13.000 I just, I saw that video and I'm like, we should have left a long time ago.

00:39:18.000 Yeah.

00:39:19.000 As soon as someone in command saw that video, they said, all right, let's wrap it up.

00:39:23.000 We'll pack it in.

00:39:24.000 These people can't do jumping jacks. 0.99

00:39:26.000 What kind of conflict are they expecting to win?

00:39:28.000 It was, that's what I was saying before.

00:39:31.000 If the US really did, or whoever, you know, wanted this, the military contractors, if you want this to succeed, we have these photos.

00:39:40.000 Little girls and boys going to school.

00:39:42.000 We have the Afghani girls science team and engineering team and stuff.

00:39:47.000 We have this really famous skate video of a little girl skateboarding in Afghanistan.

00:39:52.000 If you wanted that to survive, you would have to stay in the country for a hundred years.

00:39:58.000 And you'd have to constantly fight the Taliban.

00:40:01.000 And I think they realized it's just not possible.

00:40:04.000 Or it's just an extreme cost.

00:40:07.000 Because what would need to happen is, here's what we see.

00:40:10.000 Did you see those videos and photos coming out of Afghanistan now?

00:40:13.000 Almost as bad as the jumping jack video.

00:40:16.000 Military-age men, desperately fleeing full speed, hanging on the side of airplanes.

00:40:22.000 It's horrifying imagery.

00:40:24.000 Loading up the C-17.

00:40:27.000 Why didn't they want to stay and fight for what they had?

00:40:31.000 Because there was no social cohesion.

00:40:33.000 So one of the big mistakes, I guess, the US and the contractors made is there was no culture.

00:40:39.000 The only culture that existed was people who live in Afghanistan and then say, what should I do, Americans? 1.00

00:40:45.000 Like basically just deferring to them.

00:40:47.000 With the Americans gone, they're like, we don't know what we have or what we're fighting for or why. 1.00

00:40:51.000 Maybe there is no national pride and national unity there.

00:40:56.000 It's just things all over the map on a sectarian basis.

00:41:02.000 People who are, you know, Shia Muslims or Sunni Muslims.

00:41:09.000 Many of the countries around the world, you know, were created, when was it, 70, 80 years ago, based on religious lines more than anything.

00:41:20.000 It's because you didn't have any national pride, if you will.

00:41:27.000 What are the values of your country?

00:41:29.000 Just because I live here and someone decided to make a border there doesn't mean that I associate with a person living 10 miles up.

00:41:38.000 A story.

00:41:39.000 That's what the people of Afghanistan lacked.

00:41:42.000 And, you know, the U.S.

00:41:43.000 is losing it, too, when we see, like, the 1619 Project and Critical Race Theory.

00:41:48.000 I saw these videos.

00:41:49.000 I see these people running and trying to get on airplanes to leave this country, and I'm like, why wouldn't they stay and fight for their country?

00:41:56.000 Because they have nothing to believe in.

00:41:58.000 There's no great story of the evil that they triumphed over.

00:42:01.000 There's no great tale of revolution, how the people chose their will.

00:42:05.000 It's just literally, the US came here, told us what to do, and I'm going to school.

00:42:10.000 And now it's like, oh, with the Taliban coming back in? 0.55

00:42:13.000 I'll just leave, because there's no reason for me to stay here.

00:42:17.000 It's almost like all America was able to do was to create a hollow shell of a country, or at least what they thought was a country, I guess.

00:42:25.000 There are stories now of... But the challenge is, I mean, obviously the people who joined the Taliban do feel something for Afghanistan.

00:42:33.000 Obviously the Mujahideen back in the 80s who fought back Russia felt for Afghanistan.

00:42:40.000 Right.

00:42:41.000 I agree.

00:42:41.000 That's what the U.S.

00:42:41.000 didn't understand in this.

00:42:42.000 That you needed to give a story.

00:42:44.000 only in the side of radicalism, extremism.

00:42:47.000 But I think there's something there, but on the other hand, there are things lacking.

00:42:51.000 That's what the US didn't understand in this, that you needed to give a story,

00:42:56.000 people needed to have a shared story of the triumph or whatever it is they were resisting,

00:43:01.000 but it wasn't delivered.

00:43:02.000 And I don't know if it's possible.

00:43:03.000 I don't know if it's possible to instill, like, a great story and teach kids.

00:43:08.000 I guess the problem is, after 20 years, there should have been a generation of young men being like, I believe in this.

00:43:15.000 I learned these things.

00:43:17.000 But they didn't learn any values.

00:43:20.000 They didn't learn any philosophy or ideology.

00:43:22.000 All they learned was... Yeah, in 20 years, 20 years is a little generation. 0.66

00:43:27.000 That's a generation for you.

00:43:28.000 You've got 20-year-olds People are 20 years old today.

00:43:31.000 18-year-olds.

00:43:32.000 These are fighting-age males.

00:43:34.000 I don't necessarily blame them. 1.00

00:43:35.000 did a stupid thing. 1.00

00:43:35.000 The U.S. 1.00

00:43:37.000 But, do we like the Taliban?

00:43:38.000 No.

00:43:39.000 Already, women are back in burqas. 1.00

00:43:40.000 The schools, apparently, the rain reports, the little girls are running, running back home.

00:43:44.000 They can't go to school anymore.

00:43:45.000 That's horrifying.

00:43:47.000 The thing that's going to be imposed on these people and I think it's the important. I think the important lesson here

00:43:51.000 that everybody American needs to understand is if you lose social cohesion

00:43:55.000 if you lose a a a community identity Like what it means to be

00:44:00.000 unamerican Why you like this country what you believe in and what you're

00:44:03.000 willing to stand up for and I think we are losing that Eventually nobody fights they flee

00:44:08.000 Absolutely I think it comes down to the fact that you cannot

00:44:12.000 Give someone something and expect them to take as good of care of it as they would if they had earned it themselves

00:44:18.000 This is true on the personal level and I think it's 100% if not even more true on the national level.

00:44:23.000 So when you give the Afghani people something and expect them to take care of it, they're like, well, I didn't have any part in this. 1.00

00:44:32.000 I don't have any investment in this.

00:44:33.000 There's no reason for me to fight for this.

00:44:35.000 I got a better analogy.

00:44:37.000 And I'm walking down the street in Chicago.

00:44:39.000 No one will ever give you a free CD.

00:44:42.000 Oh, that's not true.

00:44:42.000 People do.

00:44:43.000 But most people don't.

00:44:44.000 You know why?

00:44:45.000 What happens when a guy's like, hey man, you want my CD?

00:44:47.000 He asks you for money after that.

00:44:49.000 No, people throw it in the garbage.

00:44:51.000 Oh.

00:44:51.000 Normally they'd be like, hey, you like it?

00:44:53.000 Cool, man.

00:44:53.000 It's a buck.

00:44:54.000 And it's already in your hand.

00:44:55.000 You're like, you just gave it to me, dude.

00:44:57.000 They hand it to you, and they'd be like, OK, $1.

00:44:59.000 The funniest thing is, they still do this in some places, even though I don't have a CD player.

00:45:02.000 But the point is, 10 years ago, because I'm an old man, nobody wants to give you free music.

00:45:07.000 In fact, I had a lot of people in the industry would say, Those guys, it's exactly why they don't sell it.

00:45:13.000 You don't value it if it's handed to you.

00:45:15.000 You have to give something and then value what you exchange.

00:45:19.000 But the US did spend a lot of time to train people, you know, gave them a force, so to speak.

00:45:26.000 They couldn't do jumping jacks, bro.

00:45:28.000 I wonder if that's nutrition, if these people are like, from an era of really bad food and water, and they just don't have the intellect.

00:45:36.000 I don't think it's food and water, I think it's, these are older guys, they look like they're probably in their late 20s to 30s, and they've never lived in this world.

00:45:47.000 Like, imagine if someone came to you right now, Ian, and said, you know, they wanted you to be a boxer.

00:45:52.000 Someone would be like, okay, do it, show me your jab, you'd be like, Yeah, do a dance step, and then they show you the dance step real quick.

00:45:58.000 Or put it this way.

00:45:58.000 They'd be like, how could you not do a jab?

00:46:00.000 What are you doing here?

00:46:02.000 Imagine since you're 10 years old, I don't know how old you are now, but let's say you're 30, and since you're 10 years old, Canada has troops roaming the streets, and the local government is aligned with Canada.

00:46:16.000 It'd be crazy.

00:46:17.000 More than that.

00:46:18.000 It would be crazy.

00:46:19.000 So then when Canada leaves, I'm not Canada's puppet.

00:46:23.000 Get out of here.

00:46:24.000 Get lost.

00:46:25.000 I'm not going to be in there.

00:46:26.000 Who are they?

00:46:28.000 I think we just don't have a real appreciation of what it means to have a foreign force be there so many years. 0.55

00:46:34.000 I don't know.

00:46:35.000 Massive amount of resentment.

00:46:35.000 You can see it in the numbers of the Taliban increasing like they did too, if those are real numbers.

00:46:39.000 It shows that no one respected the Afghan government as legitimate.

00:46:42.000 No one did.

00:46:43.000 Or the U.S.

00:46:44.000 occupation government either.

00:46:46.000 No, they feared the US.

00:46:47.000 They feared it, yeah.

00:46:48.000 And so you had peace, and you had... Stability, yeah.

00:46:51.000 Stability out of fear, but not out of people reaching that conclusion for their country.

00:46:58.000 And if your local government were to be in power because the Canadians, who are here for 20 years, just to make the... That's a funny thought! 1.00

00:47:08.000 But again, stop a moment and every intersection is now a checkpoint of Canadian soldiers.

00:47:13.000 The day they're out, have a nice day, bye-bye.

00:47:16.000 And you don't want to be on their side, you don't want to be associated with anyone in the government.

00:47:21.000 And in fact, the minute the people in the government, they were propped up by Canada, here's that Canada's leaving, I'm out, I'm not here either.

00:47:29.000 You guys ever watch Battlestar Galactica?

00:47:31.000 Oh yeah.

00:47:31.000 Yeah.

00:47:32.000 Have you ever seen it?

00:47:33.000 It's good.

00:47:36.000 There's a season where they find a planet and the Cylons... You know what I'm talking about?

00:47:40.000 The Cylons basically enslave the humans. 1.00

00:47:42.000 I saw the first season.

00:47:44.000 Cylons are robots.

00:47:45.000 They enslave the humans. 0.96

00:47:46.000 Some of the humans aren't working with the robots.

00:47:47.000 And so after the humans break free, they're like, anybody who worked with them is a traitor.

00:47:52.000 You know, imprison them, throw them in the brig, or kick them off, or whatever.

00:47:55.000 So that's what I'm saying.

00:47:56.000 these pop culture references because people back. Oh yeah I remember that episode. Oh yeah. So what do you think's

00:48:00.000 going to happen. The Americans are leaving. So that's what I'm 1.00

00:48:03.000 saying. If we think of everything through the prism of you know Trump Biden Republicans Democrats the independent

00:48:10.000 you know the independent thinking people versus the machine. I

00:48:14.000 think it misses the basic you know try to put yourself in the shoes of a 30 year old Afghani who since he is 10 0.87

00:48:21.000 years old he is he remembers a foreign force.

00:48:25.000 Sometimes he has good memories of them because they played ball, handed out candies, and then he remembers his father at the dinner, you know, cursing away.

00:48:35.000 Let's talk about China.

00:48:37.000 I got this meme, guys.

00:48:38.000 I got this meme.

00:48:39.000 in and sometimes they dare to help, they took away a bad guy and then the next day the bad

00:48:43.000 guy is your uncle so you probably think he wasn't a bad guy, it's the military is bad.

00:48:48.000 And then when they leave, like it's a complex relationship.

00:48:52.000 Let's talk about China.

00:48:53.000 I got this meme, guys, I got this meme.

00:48:56.000 It's actually just a news article.

00:48:58.000 Technically the truth.

00:48:59.000 China's state media mocked the U.S.

00:49:02.000 withdrawal in Afghanistan, saying the Taliban takeover was, quote, more smooth than the presidential transition into the U.S.

00:49:08.000 That's true.

00:49:09.000 I just got to say, in terms of roasting and trolling, China, wow, that's an Emmy right there. 1.00

00:49:18.000 That's a smack in the face to the U.S. 0.93

00:49:20.000 That was a good troll. 0.67

00:49:21.000 It's kind of sad, though, isn't it?

00:49:23.000 They're right.

00:49:24.000 I mean, American domestically, they're right for domestic news media.

00:49:28.000 It gets worse.

00:49:29.000 In a statement from the Global Times, which is Chinese state media, basically the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, from what happened in Afghanistan, those in Taiwan should perceive that once a war breaks out in the Straits, the island's defense will collapse in hours and the U.S.

00:49:43.000 military won't come to help.

00:49:44.000 As a result, the DPP will quickly surrender.

00:49:48.000 China's didn't say if war breaks out, they said when a war breaks out.

00:49:52.000 Once.

00:49:52.000 I'm sorry, once a war breaks out.

00:49:53.000 There you go.

00:49:54.000 Once a war breaks out.

00:49:56.000 So I'm asking you again what I asked earlier.

00:49:59.000 Who in the U.S.

00:50:01.000 has the appetite?

00:50:02.000 Who has and which political party?

00:50:04.000 Which machine?

00:50:04.000 Which force?

00:50:05.000 You know, whether Republicans, Democrats, activists, media.

00:50:13.000 Think tanks, which institution in the U.S.

00:50:16.000 has patience for wars to protect other countries?

00:50:22.000 Especially when there's so many people in the U.S., again institutions in the U.S., who didn't have even, who didn't have the appetite to take on China even on trade.

00:50:31.000 Or to take even Europe on trade.

00:50:32.000 I mean you have people here who will tell you that if the EU has a 10% tariffs On products coming in from the U.S.

00:50:43.000 to Europe, we shouldn't have the same.

00:50:45.000 We shouldn't, you know, so people aren't even willing to... Nobody wants war.

00:50:49.000 No, no, but it's worse.

00:50:50.000 People aren't even willing to put up a fight on tariffs to protect jobs and the economy in the U.S.

00:50:56.000 Right, right.

00:50:57.000 Who's gonna say, yeah, I think we need to defend Taiwan? 0.56

00:51:00.000 And I think China sees that.

00:51:01.000 It's not just that the government propped up by the U.S.

00:51:05.000 collapsed.

00:51:06.000 I think China is aware of The U.S.

00:51:09.000 not having the appetite.

00:51:10.000 It's the apathy of the American people.

00:51:12.000 War weariness.

00:51:14.000 There's a difference between war in Afghanistan and Taiwan.

00:51:19.000 I think Afghanistan's a huge mistake. 1.00

00:51:23.000 It was just stupid. 1.00

00:51:24.000 Iraq was stupid. 1.00

00:51:25.000 A lot of things the U.S. 1.00

00:51:26.000 does in the Middle East are very, very stupid. 1.00

00:51:27.000 Taiwan is an ally. 1.00

00:51:29.000 And we have allies in Southeast Asia and in the Pacific.

00:51:34.000 And it's a huge threat if China starts attacking them and the US would need to defend them.

00:51:38.000 However, I don't think anybody, you're right, has an appetite for war.

00:51:42.000 But I don't think you need to have an appetite for war if you have a president and administration strong enough to just set that boundary that can't be crossed.

00:51:49.000 And I certainly think, as I stated with the Taliban and what we're seeing now, you look at the economic crisis, you look at the... What did Joe Biden just do?

00:51:56.000 He increased Food benefit payments.

00:52:03.000 Which says two things.

00:52:04.000 One, more money being given out, which is already bad for the escalating inflation.

00:52:08.000 And two, it shows that inflation on food is here to stay.

00:52:11.000 Now they've got to increase it, and they're saying it's because they want to make sure people get more nutrients.

00:52:15.000 Okay, well then you're just giving more free money away.

00:52:17.000 So people are going to be less incentivized to work.

00:52:19.000 You may tell me.

00:52:20.000 I mean, the Taliban certainly noticed the weakness of the Biden administration.

00:52:23.000 But you take a look at what China knows.

00:52:25.000 China's engaged in cyber warfare.

00:52:27.000 They got a great intelligence.

00:52:28.000 They are very powerful.

00:52:29.000 And they're looking at this and they know exactly what they can and can't do.

00:52:33.000 And right now, I think this statement they're putting out, they're not joking.

00:52:36.000 They're not saying this is not meant to intimidate or make it or, you know, tell the U.S., haha, we're coming.

00:52:42.000 They're saying, no, we're going to do it.

00:52:44.000 And no one's gonna stop us because Americans are too apathetic.

00:52:47.000 Look at the way China cracked down on Hong Kong.

00:52:49.000 I don't think anyone speaks up or wants to do anything about it.

00:52:57.000 The reason for it, I don't know.

00:52:59.000 This is how it is.

00:53:00.000 Maybe it is because the U.S.

00:53:01.000 was so heavily involved in these two countries over the last two decades at a steep cost to the country in terms of soldiers dying or being wounded and you have families

00:53:16.000 suffering and people don't even know to what end, to accomplish what. So people just

00:53:22.000 become tired.

00:53:23.000 It's like a game almost.

00:53:24.000 And I think there's also a different level of patriotism today versus many years ago.

00:53:34.000 I think this also plays into a lot of it.

00:53:38.000 I think a generation or two ago people were more willing to fight for the country.

00:53:44.000 I think today you have it less.

00:53:45.000 What's the reason?

00:53:46.000 I don't know.

00:53:47.000 But I think this is a factor.

00:53:49.000 So if people don't have the appetite to fight for their country, I'm not saying with people, you know, tweeting for their country, people think that's considered fighting, you know, standing up to Trump, tweeting for their country.

00:54:00.000 Right.

00:54:00.000 Resist.

00:54:01.000 You know, then why would they, why would they want to be involved in Taiwan and China?

00:54:06.000 I don't know.

00:54:07.000 That's why I wonder, we ask this question of a lot of people, you know, is the culture war a product of America's enemies?

00:54:14.000 Sowing divisions online, I mean, we heard all the reports of, you know, Russian interference and how Russia had been running different sides of the culture war, so the impact was microscopic, first and foremost, but what they would do is These these Internet trolls would create a Black Lives Matter Facebook page and then like an anti-Black Lives Matter page and then they would organize protests around each other so that those conflicts could happen.

00:54:39.000 Granted, it doesn't seem like they had a tremendous impact, but when I look at what's happening in the US, The... I mean, how about this?

00:54:45.000 What was it?

00:54:46.000 Colin Kaepernick, I think, complained about the American flag shoe and they banned it.

00:54:50.000 Yeah, Betsy Ross flag. 0.89

00:54:52.000 That is one of the most psychotic and insane things I've ever heard.

00:54:55.000 One of the symbols of the founding of this country.

00:54:58.000 When you lose that cohesion, you fall apart.

00:55:00.000 And now look at where we are.

00:55:01.000 You look at Afghanistan, no social cohesion, no national identity, and they just collapse. 1.00

00:55:06.000 No cultural identity, except for the Taliban, of course, and they sweep in like that because they've got a passion for their cause. 0.91

00:55:12.000 Now you look at what's happening with the 1619 Project, Wokeness, Critical Race, Applied Principles, and you have an entire faction of people who don't like this country.

00:55:21.000 I'll tell you this.

00:55:23.000 I think it was, uh, was it Jimmy Fallon?

00:55:25.000 He did, uh, was it Fallon?

00:55:27.000 He did a, uh, census data came out and it shows that for the first time the white population has shrunk and the audience starts busting out clapping and cheering. 0.55

00:55:35.000 And then he looks like, why are you, like, what?

00:55:38.000 I didn't watch the whole show, but I saw that clip, and it was... Why were they clapping for that?

00:55:43.000 Probably 80% of the audience was white.

00:55:46.000 No, right!

00:55:47.000 Like, you think about the self-destructive nature of these white, establishment, liberal-type personalities.

00:55:54.000 But I think a lot of the conversations in this arena, I think, is also people are just bored out of their mind.

00:56:00.000 And they're looking for a reason to belong somewhere, someplace, and to accomplish.

00:56:06.000 Like, why not go help a local soup kitchen?

00:56:08.000 And they get involved.

00:56:10.000 But how about we all agree that China is a major threat and we can rally around defending the people of Taiwan, or standing up for them, or having a cohesive message of, you know, we will defend our allies.

00:56:31.000 Instead, it's just...

00:56:33.000 I don't know, man.

00:56:34.000 Ragging on people based on their race or gender or just self-loathing and hating themselves.

00:56:40.000 I'm not... But I think many people who, you know, supposedly are self-loathing based on their racial or ethnic background, I think a lot of it is not real.

00:56:50.000 I think it's just a genre to get retweets or to get attention.

00:56:56.000 I mean, it's not legit.

00:56:59.000 I mean, probably 95%, you know, in the past at least, 95% people in the U.S.

00:57:05.000 would live in communities that reflect their own ethnicity or culture or marry into families that fit their culture and ethnicity.

00:57:14.000 So a lot of these posts and videos and articles I think it's just people looking for attention to be relevant.

00:57:22.000 They want to get along on the bandwagon of something.

00:57:24.000 But the point is it shows that we have nothing that unifies us.

00:57:31.000 It's what unifies us is our hatred for each other in this country.

00:57:35.000 And so you have the culture war, the culture war left and the culture war right.

00:57:40.000 And there's some overlap and weird.

00:57:41.000 It's like we should draw a map.

00:57:42.000 It would be interesting.

00:57:43.000 So maybe that's the byproduct of having peace and prosperity.

00:57:46.000 You don't have the worries and concerns.

00:57:48.000 We do though!

00:57:49.000 We have China, we have Russia, we have Iran, Venezuela.

00:57:52.000 But then we are so partisan these days that people would take positions on foreign policy based on which president can get more credit or more hits over the head, figuratively speaking.

00:58:03.000 What I'm saying is, going back to the 70s and the 80s, people were scared from the USSR at the time.

00:58:13.000 I think the minds of people were busy with the well-being of the U.S.

00:58:18.000 But I think we live for a generation already in a situation where there's a lot of peace and a lot of prosperity.

00:58:24.000 Okay, fine.

00:58:25.000 I mean, there's been 9-11 and other stuff.

00:58:27.000 But relatively speaking, it's not... People don't wake up every day.

00:58:31.000 You have this big Russian monster, the big U.S.S.R. 1.00

00:58:34.000 They tried.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, but people don't feel it this way the last 20-30 years.

00:58:40.000 So you have a whole generation, our generation, being raised spoiled brats.

00:58:45.000 And we have the world at our fingertips.

00:58:47.000 And then we see people writing interesting articles and they get the retweets and the likes and they get invited on TV and they want in on it.

00:58:55.000 It's a shame because so much of this energy can be used Can be used on bringing people together on concerns that are legitimate.

00:59:03.000 Concerns about, take the issue of police brutality that's very popular in the liberal field.

00:59:12.000 I think at this day and age, I think a lot of people will admit that there are reforms that can be had in law enforcement.

00:59:18.000 but if you make everything a racial issue when there are multiple incidents of police officers who are minority physically abusing fellow minorities then obviously the issue of the issues of challenges and law enforcement is not exclusively or not only or not primarily race-based so why are you making it about race when I think there needs to be some overall who gets hired how they're hired the training I mean, your standard police officer, again, I'm not picking on police officers as the individual, talking about the training.

00:59:51.000 They can sometimes pull over someone in the afternoon, sitting there with the family.

00:59:55.000 It's 4 o'clock in the afternoon.

00:59:58.000 It's a family man, if you will.

01:00:01.000 And the tone is as if he just stopped as a terror suspect.

01:00:05.000 It's like everyone is dealt with as if they are a suspect of something.

01:00:10.000 Something is wrong with the training.

01:00:12.000 Something is wrong with training a police officer that they can go this crazy this quick against a person who is otherwise a civilian.

01:00:20.000 And then there's also a lack of accountability in law enforcement.

01:00:25.000 I'm not saying now the wall of blue silence or whatever else it's called.

01:00:28.000 It's just, you know, it's who is accountable to whom.

01:00:33.000 So a lot of these things I think lead to challenges in how to police a community.

01:00:40.000 So rather than people coming together, law enforcement and civilians, people from all backgrounds to pass laws and rules how to make things better, The whole conversation gets hijacked about race.

01:00:52.000 And once you do that, you lose half the country.

01:00:54.000 And that's why, again, let me just wrap it up with this.

01:00:56.000 And that's why we're debating today, in 2021, the same issues of police brutality that we did 20, 30 years ago without much change.

01:01:05.000 I think we're missing cohesive suffering as a society.

01:01:10.000 Or suffering, or worry, or concern, such as you had with Russia.

01:01:15.000 The Russia thing helped a lot.

01:01:16.000 Like, fear and worry is helpful, but real suffering is undeniable.

01:01:21.000 If I'm suffering and the police officer are both suffering because we're both looking for food, I'm like, OK, we're both in a bad place.

01:01:29.000 You have it a little worse because you've got to go fight guys for a living.

01:01:32.000 But at least we can agree we're both suffering and we have a shared focus as a species to get food.

01:01:40.000 But now that's completely... In the United States, there's no suffering.

01:01:43.000 I have to induce it on myself.

01:01:45.000 Psychedelics make you suffer? 0.96

01:01:47.000 Even basic crime rates.

01:01:47.000 Correct.

01:01:49.000 However bad things are the last 12 months, if you want to compare it to the 1990s, I mean 20-25 years ago, it's beautiful.

01:01:58.000 Again, God forbid, you know, any single person getting attacked or the... I'm not speaking about the individual victim.

01:02:04.000 But again, as a society, It's generally more safe to go out on this.

01:02:08.000 People have less worry as they had 20, 40 years ago.

01:02:13.000 And I think people are just going crazy.

01:02:15.000 I think you've got to rephrase it.

01:02:17.000 People have less to worry about, but they're more worried than ever.

01:02:21.000 Okay, it's because we all have our phones.

01:02:25.000 Someone just texted me, I shouldn't use my phone while I'm on the show.

01:02:29.000 It's that bad.

01:02:29.000 This is the thing about police brutality that I've brought up several times.

01:02:33.000 The reason there's such a hyper-focus on it is because it plays well for social media.

01:02:36.000 People know that if they post these videos, if they complain about it, they'll get clicks, retweets, and followers.

01:02:41.000 So they played into it.

01:02:43.000 It's shock content, it's violent content, and it's an injustice.

01:02:47.000 I'm okay with all of that.

01:02:49.000 In other words, I understand the drive that people have, you know, to get... No, but what I'm saying is the only thing they'll see is that.

01:02:57.000 They don't get a dose of reality.

01:02:59.000 Okay, in other words, they don't want to see a fix or solution and so forth.

01:03:02.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:03:03.000 You got a 10-year-old kid, he goes on Facebook for the first time, and 50 adults are sharing police brutality for retweets, for shares.

01:03:10.000 That kid will see nothing but police brutality.

01:03:13.000 10 years later, say they're born in 2010, or let's say they're born in 2000, they're 10 years old in 2010, they get on Twitter or whatever, they're not supposed to, they're too young, but they do anyway, they see endless streams of police brutality for a decade.

01:03:23.000 Then they're 20 going, why won't anyone do anything about this?

01:03:27.000 And it's like, bro, turn off the phone and go outside, it's not happening!

01:03:31.000 It happens.

01:03:32.000 It's bad when it does.

01:03:33.000 It's a valid point.

01:03:34.000 In other words, the reality becomes misconstrued.

01:03:38.000 It becomes all messed up.

01:03:41.000 Things are not sometimes as bad as people think, as you said.

01:03:47.000 The videos of a police officer playing basketball with a couple of kids is not going to get so much attention as a police officer doing something bad.

01:03:59.000 I was gonna say, there's similar criticism to go to, in today's sense, with Antifa violence and BLM riots and stuff.

01:04:08.000 Footage that gets recycled over and over and over again because it plays well.

01:04:12.000 But, I would say that tendency is more the exception and not the rule because the media mostly ignores it and it doesn't play well.

01:04:19.000 It doesn't play well... Yeah, but Tim, you know, there's this old joke you have, I don't know, how many flights in the air at any given time?

01:04:25.000 7,000, whatever?

01:04:27.000 All those flights landing, you're not going to have a reporter, well look, there's another plane landing.

01:04:31.000 You have one plane, even with three people on it, you know, crashing down on the freeway, it's going to become national news.

01:04:37.000 That's how humans are.

01:04:38.000 Right, so the issue is, someone could share a video of Antifa and it'll play well with some people who are like, this is bad, but police brutality makes everyone, even conservatives, get angry.

01:04:47.000 So if you look at like George Floyd, for instance, you know, you get people like Ben Shapiro and Sean Hannity coming up and being like, we are upset by this.

01:04:54.000 Correct, so I'm not...

01:04:56.000 I don't have a problem with police brutality being a discussion because I think there are reforms to be had.

01:05:01.000 What I'm saying is that the solution of it, I think a couple, six weeks ago there were a couple of police officers who beat up a child, a teenager or whatever in a retail store.

01:05:14.000 I think two of the officers at a minimum were minority officers and the victim was also, it wasn't even a story.

01:05:22.000 So that's the, What I'm trying to say is this.

01:05:28.000 I understand the shock value.

01:05:31.000 You know why it becomes news.

01:05:32.000 But I'm also saying that a lot of times people don't want to have real solutions.

01:05:36.000 They want to fit into a certain narrative, a certain agenda for whatever reason.

01:05:36.000 Of course.

01:05:41.000 And therefore things don't get corrected.

01:05:43.000 Such as so many issues on police brutality.

01:05:46.000 Because I think some of the core causes are not addressed.

01:05:49.000 Who gets hired?

01:05:50.000 Sometimes crazies get hired into law enforcement. 0.99

01:05:53.000 Complete clowns get hired and you don't have a good screening process and then the training sometimes is insane and then sometimes a lack of oversight. 0.87

01:06:02.000 So if you don't address any of these core issues and you only focus, let's say, on race, then so many of these incidents will not get fixed. 0.94

01:06:11.000 So going back to what I said a minute ago, and as you said it correctly, There isn't a shared suffering, a shared worry, and so people have extra time on their mind.

01:06:23.000 How can I become busy?

01:06:27.000 And then you have a cause.

01:06:29.000 And then you have social media and you see, you know, certain things play well, you want to get along on it.

01:06:34.000 And you can make a lot of money spreading negative information.

01:06:37.000 You get very famous very quickly on the internet because that stuff spreads like wildfire.

01:06:41.000 Negative information or information that's very popular at the time.

01:06:45.000 It's like if you notice in institutional media, you know, I have it sometimes in the private practice.

01:06:54.000 When clients retain me and I need to work with them on media outreach, it's like If you want to pitch a story to a reporter, if no other journalist picked it up, that journalist is going to say, no, I don't know, why will I do it?

01:07:07.000 And sometimes, if one person has it, everyone has it.

01:07:09.000 So people like to jump on the narrative.

01:07:14.000 It's an impossible problem to solve, you know, mentioning the negative news cycle and the money made, because, I mean, what are we doing?

01:07:21.000 We're going on a show, we're saying, oh, look at what's happened here, and that's bad, and this is bad, and it's almost kind of...

01:07:29.000 It's a recursive loop of us being like, people sharing negative information on the internet is bad.

01:07:34.000 It's like literally doing that in the space of doing it.

01:07:37.000 Now here's the point I'm making.

01:07:38.000 What would happen if we decided to stop talking about the things we thought were bad and we stopped talking about the news and these negative things?

01:07:45.000 Then you would have more and more bad things happen because people wouldn't be paying attention and would be allowed to fester and grow.

01:07:51.000 So I think if you go to any person, even a Black Lives Matter activist who's saying police brutality 24-7, Well, they're going to be like, I'm not doing anything wrong.

01:07:59.000 I'm not doing this because I want to be rich.

01:08:00.000 I'm doing it because police brutality is a problem.

01:08:02.000 And then when you're like, yeah, but when you have a hundred thousand people posting police brutality over and over and over and kids don't see anything else, it's making them lose their minds.

01:08:10.000 I don't know how you solve for that problem.

01:08:12.000 People are allowed to be passionate and fight for what they believe in.

01:08:14.000 I think there's a balance of, um, Too much talking about problems creates more problems.

01:08:19.000 Not enough talking about problems creates more problems, because they're not being addressed.

01:08:22.000 So you want to address them, and then solve them, and then not address them anymore.

01:08:28.000 Unless there's still a problem, and the solution didn't work, and then you've got to readdress them, and address a new solution.

01:08:34.000 But a problem without a solution is basically lighting yourself on fire.

01:08:37.000 But the bigger problem is, again, let's talk about a problem, is that people sometimes don't want a solution outside of a set narrative.

01:08:45.000 I think that's more destructive than people talking about problems.

01:08:48.000 I love that then we can debate the solution as opposed to debating the problem.

01:08:51.000 We know what the problem is a lot of times.

01:08:54.000 But people don't want to debate the solution.

01:08:58.000 I have a friend, a very very liberal friend, and I told him that police brutality has many factors not related Police brutality has many factors not related to racism.

01:09:13.000 He was ready to bite my head off.

01:09:15.000 But then I explained, you know, some of the thinking as I did a couple of minutes ago.

01:09:19.000 He was willing to listen.

01:09:21.000 So I don't think the issue is, you know, we can talk about problems all day.

01:09:24.000 China, Taiwan, inflation, the border, Afghanistan.

01:09:28.000 But I think where people get stuck is having constructive conversations about solutions.

01:09:33.000 It's also good to debate problems because sometimes you'll see a problem in a different way than someone else.

01:09:38.000 I think a lot of time with Critical Race, especially that some like Robin DiAngelo, I'd like to have her on the show and talk to her because I think she sees the problem differently than I do.

01:09:45.000 And if we can somehow redefine the problem so a place that we can both understand, then we can start redefining a solution that might.

01:09:53.000 But like he said, some people don't want solutions.

01:09:53.000 Right.

01:09:56.000 And I don't think she does.

01:09:57.000 She does not.

01:09:58.000 Everything is racist no matter what.

01:10:00.000 She makes money off it. 1.00

01:10:00.000 We change like what we want can change. 1.00

01:10:02.000 So maybe she will one day start to want solutions? 0.98

01:10:05.000 And give up all her money? 0.95

01:10:07.000 This brings me to another point.

01:10:12.000 That many people do not want to fix a certain problem.

01:10:15.000 They do not want to have a solution.

01:10:17.000 It's like people think, you know, if only you're going to show people numbers about coronavirus and this age and that age.

01:10:24.000 Then people will change their opinion about vaccine passports.

01:10:28.000 They want everyone to have a vaccine passport.

01:10:28.000 They don't care.

01:10:30.000 They don't want to hear different information.

01:10:33.000 And if you give them information from the CDC, they give you the buzzwords of you spreading this information.

01:10:39.000 Some people are sold or hooked on a certain narrative and they don't care about fixing it.

01:10:43.000 Let me, I'll give you an example.

01:10:44.000 So during the Mediterranean migrant crisis, it was the migrant crisis because even the UN came out and said, actually, let me start over.

01:10:52.000 So we had this crisis, I'm sure many of you are familiar with, where you had a lot of people from Afghanistan and Syria and Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries fleeing through the Eastern Mediterranean from like Syria into, say, you know, into Europe and things like that.

01:11:10.000 And that was the result of a lot of the conflict in the Middle East.

01:11:13.000 But it quickly turned into a North African migrant crisis, where the UN said these people are economic migrants, not refugees.

01:11:22.000 Now, I made that distinction when I reported on it.

01:11:25.000 At the start of the refugee crisis, I'm like, refugees are fleeing from the East.

01:11:28.000 Then later on, it was like the latest information says they're actually coming from North Africa and they're coming into Libya.

01:11:34.000 And then they're trying to come into Europe. 0.92

01:11:35.000 These are not refugees for the most part.

01:11:37.000 They're economic migrants looking for work. 1.00

01:11:40.000 I had a friend who was posting all this activist stuff, and I was talking to her, someone I've known for a really long time.

01:11:45.000 And when I said, hey, here's the latest report from the UN, these, you know, clearly states these are economic migrants, so we can certainly try and defend their lives.

01:11:52.000 We don't want them to drown or anything, but I think the distinction is important when we're trying to address what these people are looking for.

01:11:58.000 Block.

01:11:59.000 She literally just blocked me. 0.86

01:12:01.000 She did not want to hear the truth about what the UN was saying about this crisis.

01:12:05.000 So a friend of mine blocked me.

01:12:07.000 That's how entrenched in ideologies people are.

01:12:10.000 They don't want a solution.

01:12:11.000 They don't want to know what's going on.

01:12:12.000 They have this tribal desire to say, I'm on the right side of history.

01:12:16.000 This is what my community says, and nothing else matters.

01:12:20.000 And so what happens when you have an ideology like that?

01:12:21.000 It's basically a religion.

01:12:23.000 You'll never stop, even if you win.

01:12:25.000 Not with tax.

01:12:26.000 You can't convince those people with tax.

01:12:28.000 You got to talk to them and you got to hit them when they're not expecting it with your voice real subtle and like in

01:12:33.000 your tone that's very like cordial and understanding and calm and committing and then all of a sudden before they

01:12:38.000 realize that they believe what you said.

01:12:39.000 It's I, I, but I think I think the personal block Tim is the person was probably worked up about a certain cause and

01:12:47.000 Tim was just there, you know, taking it away.

01:12:51.000 Now what?

01:12:52.000 Which takes us back to what we started discussing 10 minutes ago.

01:12:52.000 Right.

01:12:56.000 People lose a sense of belonging or accomplishing.

01:12:58.000 Waking up in the morning, fine, you work, you go to school, or whatever, you have family, and then what?

01:13:03.000 People like action in terms of activity, accomplishing.

01:13:06.000 And to worry about something, you didn't have anything.

01:13:08.000 It used to be religion.

01:13:10.000 It used to be that making sure you were doing right by whatever your religious doctrine said.

01:13:15.000 For a lot of people in America, it was doing right by God and living the right kind of life.

01:13:20.000 By the way, can I make a point?

01:13:22.000 People say that they're going to be on the right side of history.

01:13:26.000 Why do we need to wait for history?

01:13:28.000 It's because the prism of history is usually opposite of what has been believed to be the right thing at the time.

01:13:35.000 So you can't be thinking you're right now and going to be right through the prism of history.

01:13:40.000 And also... You get the point?

01:13:42.000 Yeah, I think a lot about people, great people that are alive today that are receiving a lot of suffering or media negativity is like, dude, you're gonna be can retro baited in the future, man.

01:13:52.000 Can we just think about what that means the right side of history?

01:13:55.000 They're not saying they're correct.

01:13:57.000 They're saying, in time, we will crush you.

01:14:00.000 That's what they're saying.

01:14:01.000 Okay, that's a more cynical way of putting it, and maybe that's true too.

01:14:04.000 Look, history is written by the victors.

01:14:05.000 Correct, correct.

01:14:07.000 But the real meaning of, history will judge this way or that way, is that a lot of times things which seem to be popular and accepted at the time, turned out through the prism of history to be seen as crazy and insane and abusive.

01:14:20.000 So if your political or policy position now is popular, it's 95% of media output, it's cool and hip, there's a big chance that history is going to look at it differently, which is why we need to wait for history.

01:14:35.000 Although, as he said, the victor writes history.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, I'll tell you what's funny is when you hear that during the civil rights era, What were proponents of segregation saying?

01:14:45.000 It's a private business.

01:14:46.000 Freedom to associate.

01:14:48.000 They can exclude anybody you want from their private business.

01:14:51.000 And we said, nah, you can't do that anymore, which I think is the right decision.

01:14:54.000 Now you look at where we're at with big tech censorship of certain political opinions, and it's the establishment Democrat liberal type saying, but they're a private business.

01:15:02.000 They can do what they want.

01:15:03.000 Just absolutely bending the knee to massive multinational corporations and literally being on the side of private businesses like Yeah, but I don't think the standard Democrat that favors censorship does so to bend the knee to a big corporation.

01:15:20.000 They're doing it because, you know, list me five non-conservatives that have been suspended by Twitter.

01:15:28.000 people except for the... There's actually a lot. No, the big guys, not the big names.

01:15:28.000 There's a lot.

01:15:34.000 Off TV and so forth. It's very limited. On the Republican side, or not even Republican,

01:15:39.000 just the right-leaning side, conservative side, every other day another person goes

01:15:42.000 missing. There are a lot of anti-war left and anti-capitalist left who have been banned.

01:15:47.000 Big names, big names. I would say... Household names, like, it's very difficult to find.

01:15:53.000 You have, who's the person who made that head from Trump?

01:15:56.000 What's her name?

01:15:56.000 Oh, Kathy Griffin.

01:15:59.000 There is not one conservative, not one person in the right side of parliament, not the right, conservative, the right-wing side, that can do anything that she has done and still be alive on Twitter.

01:16:10.000 That was pretty brutal.

01:16:11.000 Oh, she's on Twitter still, isn't she?

01:16:14.000 And the same thing, what's his name, Keith Olbermann?

01:16:19.000 He's abusive. 0.92

01:16:21.000 I like to tell people, like troll or mute me, I like to kid around with people.

01:16:25.000 If someone is out there on Twitter and takes it personal, I'll stop.

01:16:30.000 He goes off the rails every other tweet in abusive language on a violation of the Twitter rules and he's still there.

01:16:38.000 Point being, I don't think Democrats are on the side of the big corporations.

01:16:42.000 They're just happy that the big corporations tend to be staffed, apparently, mostly by people who are aligned politically.

01:16:49.000 But look at it this way.

01:16:50.000 When they're happy that Twitter, for instance, is going to remove their political opponents, they're laying down their sword.

01:16:57.000 They're saying, we're not going to go after them because we're benefiting from this.

01:17:02.000 So it's like, you know... Abdication of responsibility.

01:17:02.000 Absolutely.

01:17:05.000 They're bending the knee.

01:17:06.000 The corporation's breaking social norms.

01:17:08.000 It's destroying our culture and our country.

01:17:11.000 And they're going to them saying, but I get what I want, so carry on, good sir.

01:17:14.000 Exactly.

01:17:15.000 And I think we have seen a lot of hate from Democrats in Washington against Facebook over the last five years.

01:17:23.000 Because Facebook did one thing.

01:17:25.000 They treated Trump in 2016 as a client.

01:17:28.000 And they worked with him.

01:17:29.000 And they were not going to forgive Facebook for treating Trump as a client.

01:17:33.000 Because they treat Ben Shapiro like a client.

01:17:34.000 And they kept on pushing and pushing and pushing.

01:17:38.000 Facebook kept on getting much more heat from Washington than Twitter.

01:17:42.000 And I think it's just payback for how they were, and not only this, I think people think that Trump won.

01:17:48.000 He had these narrow wins by utilizing Facebook as an instrument, and people don't want to forgive Facebook.

01:17:57.000 It is a First Amendment issue, what we were talking about earlier, about defining the problems and agreeing on the problems, what they mean and what they are, and solutions, being able to talk and define those things.

01:18:06.000 If we can't do that, on social media or in a public place, then our First Amendment is being violated and we're not going to be able to solve any of our problems.

01:18:15.000 But many people don't care.

01:18:17.000 I think we all have this cute assumption that everyone who lives in the U.S.

01:18:21.000 or was born in the U.S.

01:18:22.000 favors individualism, private property rights, gun rights, freedom of speech, religious freedom.

01:18:28.000 Why?

01:18:29.000 Why do we have this assumption that every person who you meet on the street is just Believes in standard, you know, core American values that I just listed.

01:18:37.000 And maybe they have a different perspective on minimum wage, if it should be $10 or $15.

01:18:42.000 No, you have a lot of people who subscribe to a fascist perspective or to a Stalinist perspective.

01:18:53.000 And not because they're bad people, because they have generally a different worldview than you may have or I may have.

01:19:00.000 So we have this assumption that everyone is out there just thinking and believing and wanting the freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gun rights and individualism, private properties, the freedom to send your child to school and to get an education and to work and we'll debate, you know, if we need to have a lockdown for a week or... No!

01:19:21.000 Many people do not want that.

01:19:23.000 They absolutely do not Care.

01:19:25.000 They do not share the same values as you do on these basic American principles that were popular a generation or two ago.

01:19:34.000 So then, you tell them, well, you know, you can't debate it.

01:19:37.000 They don't care.

01:19:37.000 Okay.

01:19:39.000 They don't care.

01:19:40.000 I'll just stress this too, and it's the establishment Democrats for the most part.

01:19:43.000 My favorite example is that when you ask an independent voter or Republican how the economy is doing, they'll say, fairly bad.

01:19:49.000 Democrats say fairly good.

01:19:51.000 But if you actually look at the data, it's like really bad.

01:19:55.000 Yeah, but this, I think, this can be influenced by what you said is, you know, it's become a popular buzzword, the tribalism.

01:20:02.000 What I'm saying, but they're adhering to the authority, the media.

01:20:05.000 The media and the system and the political establishment say it's true, so it's true.

01:20:09.000 The critical thinkers who are like, show me the evidence.

01:20:12.000 This is, I think this is why you get the culture war break apart with left and right as it is.

01:20:17.000 Establishment Democrat types will just say something today and then contradict themselves tomorrow.

01:20:22.000 They'll scream and cry about a conservative doing something and then do it themselves because they don't care about principle, they care about following the authority.

01:20:30.000 Correct.

01:20:33.000 I wrote this on Twitter a couple of times.

01:20:36.000 One of the people who attended the Obama birthday party released videos and she apologized for releasing the video.

01:20:43.000 Erykah Badu, right?

01:20:44.000 So I asked on Twitter, why do you need to apologize?

01:20:44.000 Yeah.

01:20:48.000 I think other people should release videos too.

01:20:51.000 If you think that you have done something which is okay, release the video.

01:20:56.000 But they want to hide it.

01:20:57.000 They want to deny that they attended this event.

01:21:01.000 Why?

01:21:02.000 Probably because there are people there who favor lockdowns, who favor vaccine passports.

01:21:07.000 It has nothing to do with... Not because they're concerned about coronavirus.

01:21:12.000 They have a certain worldview of how societies need to be run.

01:21:17.000 And it doesn't mean that they personally fear coronavirus.

01:21:20.000 If yes, they wouldn't go to the event.

01:21:21.000 So being a fan of let's say the vaccine passport to many of those people is not out of fear of coronavirus.

01:21:29.000 Many people are worked up.

01:21:31.000 To many people it's just they think that this is how society should run.

01:21:34.000 There should be a stricter regime about vaccines.

01:21:39.000 So those people have no problem going to an event next day without a mask or something.

01:21:43.000 It's because they don't have a problem with it.

01:21:46.000 Rules for thee, but not for me.

01:21:47.000 There's a simple question that I think all of you can benefit from.

01:21:47.000 Yeah, correct.

01:21:51.000 Ian.

01:21:52.000 Do you think vaccines are good things?

01:21:52.000 Yes, Tim?

01:21:54.000 Well, I mean, a vaccine done right, yes, is a good thing.

01:21:58.000 Do you think that people should have the choice to make medical decisions for themselves?

01:22:05.000 Often, there are situations where emergencies may require that people submit to authority for the greater good, which is terrifying to say.

01:22:14.000 Are you saying yes or no?

01:22:16.000 Should people have the right to choose medical decisions about what they do with their body?

01:22:20.000 So the answer is no.

01:22:20.000 Sometimes.

01:22:22.000 You think... I mean, rights are given, you know?

01:22:25.000 So you're saying people should not have the choice?

01:22:28.000 I think that in a free society, yeah.

01:22:31.000 But if you're under martial lockdown and cholera breaks out and you're able to vaccinate all the people, then you kind of got to do it without asking.

01:22:42.000 Absolutely.

01:22:42.000 It's really simple.

01:22:43.000 Ian, you're an authoritarian.

01:22:44.000 Sometimes.

01:22:45.000 Sometimes there's value to staging authority, yeah.

01:22:49.000 Libertarians typically don't take authoritarian positions.

01:22:52.000 What are you going to do if you have 7,000 people and they all have a vicious virus that's mutating and making them bleed from their eyes and you have the vaccine, but what are you going to go ask everyone for their permission?

01:23:04.000 Yes.

01:23:05.000 That's not how it works, dude.

01:23:06.000 That's not how smallpox worked.

01:23:08.000 Sometimes there's an emergency.

01:23:09.000 Right, so you accept authoritarianism.

01:23:12.000 But the problem I have is I think people are overblowing COVID.

01:23:12.000 Sometimes.

01:23:15.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:23:16.000 The challenge with you, Ian, is you can't just answer a question.

01:23:19.000 You're trying to get a black and a white answer, man. 0.73

01:23:21.000 That's just not the way things work.

01:23:22.000 People should have a right to choose their own medical decisions and they should go talk to doctors about what makes sense for them.

01:23:25.000 What about the smallpox vaccine?

01:23:27.000 I still think people have a right to choose for themselves.

01:23:30.000 They didn't, though.

01:23:30.000 That was like forced on people.

01:23:32.000 Okay, the issue now is that with the mandates, the argument is whether or not people have a choice.

01:23:38.000 You have establishment, even some, you know, neocon types who are saying people should not have a choice at all.

01:23:44.000 And they're coming out on media and saying, do everything possible to harm them until they capitulate.

01:23:49.000 I think that's authoritarianism.

01:23:50.000 The question should be, is COVID dangerous enough that it warrants Giving people no choice.

01:23:55.000 That's your private medical decision with your doctor.

01:23:58.000 That's my belief overarching of the structure of society.

01:24:01.000 That's how I think we should look at diseases.

01:24:02.000 Right, right, right.

01:24:02.000 Ian, it's really simple.

01:24:03.000 It is.

01:24:04.000 You're an authoritarian.

01:24:05.000 I mean, not generally, but I understand the value of authority from time to time.

01:24:09.000 People who fall on the libertarian spectrum typically say things like, okay, so a libertarian approach to this would be like my opinion, and what I genuinely thought you'd have is vaccines are fantastic, amazing technology.

01:24:20.000 In fact, I'm looking over the mRNA stuff.

01:24:22.000 It sounds really, really fascinating and amazing, and I can't tell someone what they should do with their body because I believe that we have to respect the individual's right to choose.

01:24:31.000 So what we can do is private businesses.

01:24:33.000 If they say they want to mandate masks, I'm like, dude, I'm not gonna You know make an issue of a mom-and-pop shop saying you can't come in my store within reason because as we already mentioned with civil rights I think there are limits.

01:24:43.000 So I certainly respect the power of authority in certain instances which is why I said typically when I say I'm left libertarian I'm not big on libertarian.

01:24:52.000 I say I'm usually liberal because I actually think some things I agree with you in that sense.

01:24:57.000 Yeah, but Tim, I think you're setting it up.

01:24:59.000 It's like asking someone, is food a good thing or not?

01:25:01.000 Tell me, is food good or not?

01:25:03.000 Yeah, it is good.

01:25:04.000 Oh, so you favor obesity?

01:25:05.000 No, I don't favor obesity.

01:25:06.000 Oh, so you want people to die from hunger?

01:25:08.000 I think so much of the discussion, again, I'm glad how you framed the question, because I think people need to think what they believe, whether it's Ian or your audience or myself and you.

01:25:18.000 But a lot of times, the question, as I just said, it is, do you favor food or not?

01:25:22.000 You know, if you favor food.

01:25:25.000 So the same thing is, is the concept of vaccines good?

01:25:28.000 Amazing.

01:25:29.000 Have you seen how the world has changed over the years?

01:25:31.000 Of course.

01:25:32.000 But then, therefore, because it's like, you know, do you believe in science or you don't believe in science?

01:25:36.000 If you don't believe in science, why do you fly an airplane?

01:25:39.000 Well, just because I believe in science doesn't mean every clown that puts together a couple of wires, I'm going to sit onto it and take off.

01:25:46.000 Right, so in this particular instance, you know, I'm not saying in the greater of everything related to Ian's character, and the point I was trying to get to is when I mention civil rights, I say I think it's good that there were mandates and that there is respect for certain instances of authority.

01:26:01.000 The issue is that You've got people who are looking at the media and saying, I want to see the information, I want to see the data, and make that choice for myself, and how that plays into the greater society and the decisions we make.

01:26:10.000 And then you have people saying, shut up and do as you're told.

01:26:13.000 Because as I said before, they are authoritarian, or they are Stalinist, they are fascist, they don't think or believe that people should have a certain level of liberty and choice.

01:26:29.000 And therefore they push against it.

01:26:30.000 You know, a point that I try to make often is, you know, now that it's an emergency, we need to have lockdowns, this and that.

01:26:38.000 What I try to argue is the authoritarian, the despot, do you think he goes out there and announces, hi everyone, I'm a despot, I want to take away your rights, stay home tonight.

01:26:47.000 It doesn't work this way.

01:26:48.000 It's always packaged that it's an emergency or that it's for good of country.

01:26:54.000 So, I'm not saying that someone who favors a lockdown due to coronavirus is the same as a murderous despot from 50 years ago.

01:27:02.000 I'm saying that being in an emergency isn't the reason to suspend rides because we need the rides because it's an emergency.

01:27:10.000 When it's an emergency, when you want to challenge it, that's exactly when we need it.

01:27:13.000 I want to make sure I clarify the point I'm trying to make.

01:27:18.000 There are people who have told me that I'm a fascist because I said, I think taxes are fine.

01:27:22.000 You know, I've had libertarians be like, taxation is theft.

01:27:25.000 And I'm like, I think not paying taxes is theft.

01:27:27.000 Because from my perspective, you know, we enter into the society with 16 years of free life where you get roads, you get water, you get all of the regulations, you get police, fire department, EMS.

01:27:38.000 And you pay no taxes because you're not working.

01:27:40.000 Your parents are.

01:27:41.000 And then when you get a job, they say, after your free 16 years, you can now start paying into the system.

01:27:46.000 I'm being somewhat facetious and just making an argument, but people have said that's, you know, authoritarian or just like to force me to pay for you and all that stuff.

01:27:54.000 And I'm like, then stop coming to my town and driving in my roads or wherever.

01:27:57.000 The point I'm making is, It's less about the principles of being free and letting people do whatever they want, which libertarians certainly are.

01:28:04.000 Like, big L libertarians are basically like, do your thing, leave me alone, I'll do my thing, I'll leave you alone.

01:28:09.000 It's personal moral ethics, I suppose.

01:28:12.000 When an individual says, I don't think she should be able to segregate on the basis of race, it's not so much about the principle of freedom, it's about...

01:28:19.000 What weighs more in your mind morally?

01:28:22.000 I think rejecting someone from a business who lives in the community and pays taxes is wrong if you're doing it for arbitrary reasons.

01:28:28.000 Other people think I'm imposing authority over them.

01:28:32.000 Real quick, the point I'm making is, Ian, if I say, do you believe this?

01:28:32.000 So that's the challenge.

01:28:37.000 People will say, you're an authoritarian because you believe we should have these measures.

01:28:41.000 Even if on most things you're like, people should be free to do what they want.

01:28:45.000 When I look at vaccines, I'm thinking about my... I got sick when I was a baby.

01:28:49.000 Hepatitis B, I think.

01:28:51.000 I didn't ask for it.

01:28:52.000 Authoritarianism reigns supreme.

01:28:55.000 I was just injected as a baby.

01:28:57.000 And probably for the greater good.

01:28:59.000 The MMR and so forth.

01:29:00.000 MMR, measles, mumps, and rubella would kill. 0.99

01:29:03.000 Kill people.

01:29:04.000 I wasn't killed by it. 0.52

01:29:05.000 I was vaccinated against my will.

01:29:06.000 I didn't even have willpower at that point in my life.

01:29:09.000 In those cases, yeah, man, I guess.

01:29:12.000 I support that from what I know.

01:29:13.000 Parental authority, too.

01:29:14.000 But I mean, this is like military government.

01:29:16.000 This is your parents going to a doctor and the doctor giving them advice.

01:29:20.000 You're not going to make it seem like, you know, this is not.

01:29:23.000 I think it's more about like the science, like the science.

01:29:25.000 It's so vague, but like the reality you can't make if you're going to be a military commander and decide life and death for your troops and the enemy's troops, you need to know.

01:29:34.000 You need to do it right.

01:29:36.000 But again, a lot of people don't care.

01:29:40.000 For example, I want to give an interesting data point.

01:29:46.000 In New York City, the mayor, Bill de Blasio, announced essentially vaccine passports to go to gyms and to restaurants.

01:29:53.000 If you're vaccinated against coronavirus, you'll be able to go into a restaurant.

01:29:58.000 If not, you won't be able to.

01:30:01.000 I have two questions.

01:30:03.000 One question based on two data points.

01:30:05.000 According to Newsday, which is a Long Island newspaper, they asked the city and the city said in the first six and a half months of this year only 1.1% of coronavirus cases were reinfections.

01:30:18.000 That's not my data point.

01:30:19.000 It's not pulled out of a hat.

01:30:20.000 Again, Newsday reported it in the name of the New York City Health Department saying that only 1.1% reinfections in New York City 1.1% coronavirus cases in New York City the first six and a half months of year were reinfections, which would probably tell you that as of now, I don't know for how long, as of now, natural immunity from coronavirus is holding up quite high again.

01:30:45.000 As of now, based on the numbers from New York City from reinfections.

01:30:49.000 On the flip side, we see Israel, which vaccinated its population before most other countries, is already pushing a third shot. 0.56

01:30:59.000 There they have Pfizer, already pushing a third shot for people 50 or above.

01:31:03.000 That is because over time, the vaccine efficiency starts going down.

01:31:09.000 How strong?

01:31:09.000 How long?

01:31:10.000 I don't know, but it starts going down.

01:31:12.000 More than half people last week in Israel in hospitals for coronavirus serious cases were people who were fully vaccinated.

01:31:20.000 So I have two data points.

01:31:21.000 One showing, based on the Newsday story out of New York City data, that natural immunity is holding up quite strong for quite a while.

01:31:30.000 At the same time, the vaccine, while it helps, it's starting to wane.

01:31:36.000 So why do you have a passport in New York City based on vaccination and not based on immunity?

01:31:43.000 If a person can show that they still have a certain level of antibodies... But didn't they say negative tests?

01:31:48.000 What is it?

01:31:49.000 Negative tests allow you entry as well.

01:31:52.000 I think that's only in certain institutions, but I don't think, I'm not sure, but let's say in Israel where they have the vaccine passport, they do count if you were infected in the past and still have a certain level of antibodies.

01:32:10.000 So that's, in other words, I'm more worked up by the fact that you have Mark Levin.

01:32:15.000 He is the, I think, the chairman of the New York City Council Health Commission Committee in the City Council, and I know him personally.

01:32:23.000 I'm more worked up about him not giving any legitimacy to people who have been affected While he's all in for the vaccine passport, even as we see that the efficiency starts falling over time.

01:32:37.000 It helps.

01:32:38.000 It brought down the numbers, but it starts falling over time.

01:32:40.000 So why is this the only path?

01:32:42.000 Again, you shouldn't have a pass at all, but if you're going to have a pass, why are you not playing even-handed?

01:32:49.000 Why are you playing games?

01:32:50.000 They're gaining power and authority.

01:32:52.000 The lazy, sub-intellect, I mean, most people are not.

01:32:56.000 It's both. 0.51

01:32:56.000 It's power and authority, or it's just lazy. 0.51

01:32:58.000 It's like too complex for you, you know?

01:33:00.000 Yeah, it's like what Ethan Klein said, you know, on H3H3 podcast.

01:33:03.000 Just look at this easy way to think.

01:33:05.000 By the way, if you noticed before, I want to get to a point, another point.

01:33:08.000 If you noticed before, when I said that natural immunity from coronavirus is holding up pretty high based on the Newsday story based from New York City data of the first six and a half months of the year, why am I saying it like in one sentence?

01:33:22.000 It's because if I don't, whoa, Yossi's just making up stuff.

01:33:27.000 People don't even want to have a conversation.

01:33:29.000 They'll shut you down for misinformation even if I'm giving you data from the New York City Health Department as written by Newsday.

01:33:36.000 When the Democrats say science, they're actually saying consensus.

01:33:41.000 Yeah, because the scientists who oppose these ideas are getting banned and shut down.

01:33:46.000 People like Dr. Brett Weinstein, for instance, who is an evolutionary biologist who certainly knows a bit about the area.

01:33:51.000 I'm not gonna pretend like he's a virologist or anything.

01:33:53.000 But they'll just say, he's wrong, shut him up.

01:33:55.000 Science said this.

01:33:56.000 Well, I don't know, the other science guy said something, too.

01:33:59.000 But I'll always end with this.

01:34:02.000 A lot of people want to believe what they think makes the most sense for them based on their worldview.

01:34:07.000 And that doesn't always mean that you're going to be right.

01:34:09.000 And I take a look at the current system, which I'm not a big fan of the government.

01:34:13.000 I don't trust them all the time.

01:34:15.000 But I certainly don't think they want people to die.

01:34:17.000 Like, look, there's probably evil people somewhere and sometimes and they do bad things.

01:34:22.000 But I think for the most part, we'll wrap this up and go to Super Chats.

01:34:27.000 I really do think if you find a good doctor, someone who pays attention to the news and is well-read in their field, they're going to give you great advice.

01:34:33.000 And become a doctor!

01:34:35.000 Now is the time!

01:34:37.000 But Tim, I don't think the baseline is if people want you to die or not.

01:34:42.000 I have a problem, again, not as a problem, but I'm perplexed why someone who is a normal person, a normal person would probably have a cell number.

01:34:52.000 Why would he dismiss the fact that the efficiency of the vaccine is dropping over time as you see a third shot is being pushed?

01:35:03.000 So why are you dismissing this?

01:35:05.000 Why are you dismissing... Well, hold on.

01:35:06.000 Why are you dismissing the... There was one study, I think, came out, we had on tempcast.com, showing that AstraZeneca and Pfizer, I think it was Pfizer, have actually maintained their efficiency according to a study on people in the U.S.

01:35:18.000 So the issue is you'll read some stories and then you'll say how come they're dismissing this and then I'll read a story But I have an answer but I have an answer because because Pfizer was pushed in Israel Earlier than probably any other country or one of the first few so Israel is seeing the outcome of Pfizer Ahead of other countries, which is Pfizer works, the vaccine, the double shots work, and therefore the numbers came down.

01:35:43.000 And even Florida, everyone was busy the last few weeks.

01:35:45.000 Florida's death rate this year, in the summer, death numbers from coronavirus were much lower than at the same time last year.

01:35:53.000 So the debate is not if it works.

01:35:55.000 The question is for how long it works and how effective it is.

01:35:58.000 And why are you dismissing people who for now, again it may change, and I think it will be worrisome if it becomes more widespread, that as of now, based on New York City data, only 1.1% cases the first half of the year, a little bit more than that, were reinfections.

01:36:10.000 Why are you dismissing that?

01:36:11.000 Of those people, how many of them were vaccinated?

01:36:15.000 Yeah.

01:36:15.000 Of the 1.1%?

01:36:17.000 Of the people that received COVID, only 1.1% were reinfected.

01:36:21.000 Do you know how many of the Y number were?

01:36:23.000 No, the reporter mentions that he asked the city for it and they didn't answer.

01:36:26.000 But the city has a criteria.

01:36:28.000 If someone had coronavirus 90 days or more before the current infection, that would be counted as a reinfection.

01:36:37.000 And for six and a half months in New York City, it's not a small place, six and a half months, city data as reported by Newsday less than two weeks ago, only 1.1% were reinfections, which is an amazing number.

01:36:47.000 So if the CDC says that people with the vaccine can have coronavirus and can carry it, so how does the pass help you?

01:36:56.000 You're giving a pass?

01:36:57.000 To someone who can spread corona.

01:36:59.000 It's off the rails.

01:37:00.000 And again, I'm not bothered so much by the insanity of the policies which take away the freedoms.

01:37:06.000 Of the fact that people do not want to... They're not serious about having a conversation.

01:37:11.000 They just hung up on something and finished.

01:37:11.000 They don't care.

01:37:13.000 All right, let's go to Super Chats.

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01:37:18.000 We're gonna have a Members Only segment coming up around 11 or so p.m.

01:37:21.000 That's when it goes up.

01:37:23.000 But let's read some of these Super Chats. 0.92

01:37:25.000 We got...

01:37:26.000 Flimsy Fox says, we as a nation have a history of not doing what we say we're gonna do internationally.

01:37:31.000 The issue with the Taliban in Afghanistan is of our own making.

01:37:35.000 Biden backed out, but Trump should have put the date before the next term.

01:37:39.000 Yeah.

01:37:41.000 Pucca says, Hey Tim, I'm a member of your website.

01:37:41.000 Let's see.

01:37:43.000 Recently I've been getting this message saying my account is inactive.

01:37:46.000 What's happening?

01:37:47.000 Um, send an email to members at timcast.com.

01:37:50.000 It could be that your card doesn't work.

01:37:53.000 Um, isn't it?

01:37:54.000 It's really amazing.

01:37:55.000 That's customer service right there, isn't it?

01:37:57.000 You get to message the show and I tell you right to you.

01:37:59.000 Uh, if you like, if, if your card didn't go through properly, then you'll get an active message.

01:38:05.000 So you can remember, uh, you can email members at timcast.com and then someone will get you sorted.

01:38:10.000 Taylor Norheim says, this has happened, uh, happened before and it will happen again.

01:38:15.000 All right.

01:38:16.000 Mike G says, Tim, Ian was spot on about DeFranco last week.

01:38:19.000 I used to work for him about six years ago and he was one of the worst bosses I've ever had. 0.91

01:38:23.000 So arrogant. 0.61

01:38:23.000 Really? 0.61

01:38:24.000 What did I say?

01:38:25.000 It said here, uh, you were saying something, uh, like about him being arrogant.

01:38:29.000 In the early days of YouTube, I would make internet videos and we would go on stickum.com and talk and Phil would come into my chat rooms and we'd hang out.

01:38:36.000 And then I met him at a, 77 up that YouTube live up in San Francisco.

01:38:40.000 I always really liked him like I still like he's really smart really fearless But I don't know about his politics.

01:38:47.000 I haven't talked to him like a decade Yeah, I've met him a couple times, and the thing we did talking about Philip DeFranco is that all of a sudden now he's posting with this really mean, like, it's just, I don't know if the right word is for it, it's like, hate-filled.

01:39:01.000 Like, just not solution-oriented, not calm, not rational, just telling people, F you, and he's been on the wrong side of a decent amount of news stories, like Covington Kids is a really good example, and I'm just like, what happened to us, you know?

01:39:13.000 Like, how we've become this, like, Maybe I shouldn't say us.

01:39:17.000 Maybe I should say what happened to him.

01:39:18.000 No, no, it's good.

01:39:18.000 I don't know.

01:39:18.000 Take responsibility.

01:39:20.000 It's a lot of this texting, I think.

01:39:21.000 I agree.

01:39:22.000 I think social media is driving us all insane.

01:39:24.000 Yeah, but look, I'll address that too.

01:39:25.000 When I said we're sitting here talking about negative news, like, I'm going to be fair.

01:39:29.000 We started the vlog specifically to make fun stuff, to counteract that.

01:39:33.000 That's on the website.

01:39:34.000 So you're not just going to be inundated with all this negativity all the time.

01:39:37.000 Sometimes you're gonna see us, you know, playing with chickens and we had baby chicks hatch and we're gonna be filming that stuff and playing D&D.

01:39:42.000 We're doing a Tales of Intrigue like paranormal mystery show.

01:39:46.000 We're trying to create a balance of the information people get so they're not inundated by this.

01:39:50.000 But so many people have just become vile, nasty people.

01:39:54.000 I think people are vile and nasty by nature.

01:39:57.000 It's just we see it more because information travels quicker these days.

01:40:03.000 And infamy is a little bit popular on social media, you know, going crazy and dropping a bomb, so to speak.

01:40:09.000 Figuratively speaking, I think people like it.

01:40:10.000 Make equal amounts of money being infamous or being famous these days, it seems like.

01:40:14.000 Kyle Miller says, when I said that Kabul is going to be the Saigon of our generation on Friday, I did not expect it to happen over the weekend. 0.95

01:40:21.000 Wasn't that wild?

01:40:23.000 Kyle, you nailed it.

01:40:24.000 Kyle Miller with the prediction.

01:40:26.000 But I think a lot of people were seeing the lines being drawn.

01:40:29.000 They knew what was coming.

01:40:33.000 And here we are.

01:40:36.000 It's a bummer, man.

01:40:38.000 Michael McCord said, did I just see Adrian Curry in the live chat?

01:40:41.000 LOL.

01:40:42.000 Yes, you did.

01:40:42.000 Adrian, how's it going?

01:40:43.000 What's up, man?

01:40:44.000 We gotta come back on the show sometime.

01:40:45.000 Yeah!

01:40:46.000 You love to travel.

01:40:48.000 David Aloa says, why would you ever conclude DJT would bomb when Trump has never wanted to sacrifice lives?

01:40:55.000 If it was an accidental casualty, it was an accidental casualty when he took out Soleimani.

01:41:02.000 With Trump, I'm not, yes, he called off that airstrike on Iraq, said he didn't want, the amount of lives that would be lost would be bad.

01:41:10.000 When the Taliban is overrunning towns and there's active combat, do you think that Trump wouldn't be like, we need an airstrike on enemy combatants storming the city and threatening to kill?

01:41:20.000 Trump wouldn't want to Benghazi.

01:41:22.000 Especially if they are between two cities, they're in like some desert or something, smoke them out, as Bush would say.

01:41:28.000 I think Trump, absolutely.

01:41:30.000 Trump, one of the first things he did as president was he ordered a commando raid in Yemen, which resulted in the death of an eight-year-old American girl.

01:41:36.000 We can pretend like, you know, Trump was the hero who was going to save all these lives, but he did a lot of things that many other presidents did.

01:41:44.000 I just preferred the fact that he was like, I'm getting out of Afghanistan and then started working on ending, you know, ending this stuff, getting our troops out of Syria. 0.60

01:41:50.000 I don't think any of them are perfect.

01:41:52.000 I don't think Trump is perfect.

01:41:53.000 And I think the problem with Trump and with even some of Obama's early orders is that they've got this permanent government, people who are appointed to bureaucratic positions.

01:42:01.000 And then you get a president who sits down and says, now I want to do X. And they go, read this.

01:42:06.000 Then the president reads it and says, what should we do?

01:42:08.000 And they say, trust me, we'll do this.

01:42:10.000 And the president says, you got it and signs off on it.

01:42:12.000 Yeah.

01:42:13.000 Trump was probably going, at first, okay, I understand.

01:42:16.000 Okay.

01:42:16.000 And then finally started getting angrier.

01:42:17.000 No, no, no, we're not going to do this.

01:42:19.000 No, I'm done.

01:42:20.000 And they started lying to him.

01:42:21.000 Then they started lying to the American people.

01:42:23.000 Trump wanted to make moves and they wouldn't let him.

01:42:25.000 The other presidents, Biden, he probably just says, sure, whatever, you know, you guys know better than I do.

01:42:29.000 I don't want any trouble.

01:42:31.000 Then you end up with a president like Obama killing a bunch of Americans, which he did by the way. 0.92

01:42:36.000 All right.

01:42:38.000 Braskadoodle says, I disagree with how Trump would have handled it only because we didn't let the original deal play out.

01:42:43.000 What he would do in this exact, in this exact situation is irrelevant because you're playing in the hypothetical.

01:42:49.000 I actually completely agree with that.

01:42:51.000 And that's, that's the challenge I mentioned earlier.

01:42:53.000 We have no frame of reference.

01:42:54.000 Trump isn't presiding over this and we can only make assumptions based on what we think he would do.

01:42:57.000 So it's really hard.

01:42:58.000 Based on what, based on what he said or did in other instances.

01:43:01.000 And maybe it would have been different.

01:43:03.000 We don't know.

01:43:04.000 That's why I say... Okay, well, if this is the way we discuss things, then half political debates can be shut down because we don't know.

01:43:11.000 The president is not there and you don't have a point of reference.

01:43:14.000 I think we have, to some extent.

01:43:16.000 No, I think it's fair to point out that based on what Trump did, we can make assumptions about what we think he would do.

01:43:23.000 Correct.

01:43:23.000 But we can't have an argument with ourselves in our minds about a president who's not in office.

01:43:27.000 Yeah, it's not about being certain that he would do it, but it's, you know, to entertain it as a possibility, if not a probability.

01:43:33.000 Yeah, worth debating, but not worth getting emotional about.

01:43:36.000 You've got all these Democrats saying it's Trump's fault, and I'm like, Trump's not the president.

01:43:40.000 All right.

01:43:41.000 No, Democrats saying it's Trump's fault, then Biden goes out and says it's my credit.

01:43:46.000 But he did say, I inherited this from Trump, and I had to make a hard decision.

01:43:50.000 But the buck stops with me, and I'm like, all right, fine, I'll take it, you know.

01:43:54.000 Sean DeBee says Trump was adamant about not leaving arms and equipment as a free-for-all.

01:43:58.000 That is true.

01:43:59.000 And there was a statement from Mike Pompeo where he said that, uh, I think, I think it was Trump or I can't remember who, someone said to the Taliban that the full force of America will rain down on them if they violate the deal or, or, you know, or things like that.

01:44:12.000 And I think with Trump in office, the Taliban were like, all right, all right, we're going to get something out of this. 0.96

01:44:17.000 And this dude's going to, okay.

01:44:18.000 We don't want to, we don't want to mess with this guy. 1.00

01:44:19.000 He's crazy. 0.99

01:44:20.000 Okay. 0.99

01:44:20.000 With Joe Biden, they're like, he's sleeping, run. 0.99

01:44:22.000 And that's what you get, man.

01:44:26.000 Jason Strait says cowardly of Biden to address the nation at 4 p.m., a busy time of day when no one is available to watch.

01:44:33.000 In any case, anything he says rings hollow, as he's made it clear many times that he's not my president.

01:44:39.000 Yeah, a lot of people said the same thing about Donald Trump.

01:44:43.000 The issue is, I can understand that.

01:44:46.000 Joe Biden doesn't represent, in my opinion, everyone in this country.

01:44:50.000 And that's like, I gotta slow down.

01:44:52.000 I'll give you the example.

01:44:53.000 When COVID restrictions were being lifted in Texas and Florida, Biden came out and said, we might have to have more lockdowns and things like that, as if Texas and Florida did not exist at all.

01:45:02.000 As if these red states didn't exist. 0.51

01:45:03.000 And so I think he's been doing a very, very bad job in that regard.

01:45:06.000 And I think Jason is correct.

01:45:08.000 A lot of people point it out as a 345, you know, scheduled press conference when people are at work.

01:45:13.000 Are you serious?

01:45:15.000 8pm, you know, later in the evening when people have a chance to watch it.

01:45:19.000 Yeah, but I think in 2021 people will just take out their phone and watch it online or something.

01:45:26.000 Yeah, basically.

01:45:26.000 On demand.

01:45:29.000 Sorta, can't read your last name, says, Why wouldn't Islamic people, who have been taught their entire lives that Westerners are bad according to the Quran, embrace Western democracy?

01:45:39.000 American politicians, media, and military officers have no respect or insight into other cultures.

01:45:45.000 I don't know a lot about Islam.

01:45:46.000 I think that one of the tenets of Islam is if you're backed into a corner, fight with everything you have, and they feel like they've been pushed into a corner economically as the military-industrial complex is spread throughout the region. 0.74

01:45:58.000 This is important.

01:45:59.000 All right, go ahead.

01:46:00.000 No, no, no.

01:46:01.000 I think it's possible that the religious perspective plays a role to some people, to some actors, but I think we can't dismiss the human flow of things.

01:46:12.000 As the example that I gave earlier about Canada.

01:46:16.000 Imagine growing up 20 years having Canadian troops making checkpoints at every corner and one day they play ball with you and the next day they arrest your uncle because he's supposedly a bad guy.

01:46:25.000 Your uncle was in prison for two years.

01:46:27.000 I think this puts the U.S.

01:46:32.000 in an impossible position when they move into an area and then what?

01:46:39.000 All right, Jason Diaz says, who played Civilization not to conquer anyone?

01:46:43.000 Yo, cultural victories, man.

01:46:44.000 Dude, science.

01:46:46.000 Launch that spaceship, man.

01:46:47.000 I keep thinking about this.

01:46:48.000 If we had conquered, in Civilization, if you ever played Civ, it's the computer game.

01:46:53.000 It's a great game.

01:46:54.000 It's a world conquest.

01:46:55.000 You can do it by culture.

01:46:56.000 You can do it by science.

01:46:57.000 You can do it by religion.

01:46:59.000 You can do it by conquest.

01:47:01.000 You don't have to conquer the world through conquest.

01:47:03.000 You can do it through religion.

01:47:04.000 Or culture.

01:47:05.000 Computer games that I played was Pac-Man or Gameboys.

01:47:09.000 If you were to conquer a desert mountain country like Afghanistan and then there are all these 1.00

01:47:13.000 cities, you'd have to spend so much money building libraries, sewers, mud pits.

01:47:20.000 Marketplaces.

01:47:22.000 Universities.

01:47:23.000 I mean, you'd spend so much money, bankrupt yourself like seven times.

01:47:27.000 So I see how it's just an impossible win, using the civilization metaphor.

01:47:31.000 Well, like the new Civ, you go to an area that's like a desert region, there's no resources, you just... Just raise it to the ground and leave.

01:47:37.000 No, you culture victory.

01:47:38.000 I don't like conquest.

01:47:39.000 I like cultural victory.

01:47:40.000 It's where, it's basically in the game, you export your culture, your movies, your music, and then other countries start adopting your behaviors, and then your borders expand and press on theirs, and then people are like, that's way cooler than this, and then they rebel or abandon.

01:47:56.000 Anyway.

01:47:57.000 We got an actual important super chat here.

01:48:00.000 No offense, Jason, I just mean it was a funny hokey one, but this one is like actually interesting.

01:48:04.000 John Hutto says the 200k number for Taliban fighters comes from a January 2021 West Point Counter-Terror Center Volume 14 Issue 1 report, quoting a BBC report in 2018 from Dr. Dawood Azami and a tweet I tagged LidsOn.

01:48:20.000 Very interesting that the initial source goes back to 2018, which would suggest that much of this growth happened under Obama and Biden.

01:48:27.000 And by changing the source, it now makes it appear as though the latest development happened under Donald Trump.

01:48:34.000 Love how media's played, isn't it?

01:48:36.000 Shepard in Studio says, Cassandra's comment about Biden's speech was incredibly short-sighted.

01:48:40.000 It was sculpted to achieve exactly the result she gave.

01:48:43.000 Perhaps.

01:48:44.000 But I think there's a rhetorical victory in the president coming out and repeating the words of what many anti-war activists have said for a long time about the wasted time and energy and money in Afghanistan.

01:48:53.000 And it's vindication.

01:48:55.000 It's getting them to admit that the anti-war crowd was right the whole time, and they believe the same thing. 0.86

01:49:01.000 Granted, Biden screwed this one up.

01:49:03.000 I think Trump would have handled it very differently, but, you know, Alright, let's see.

01:49:08.000 Rick Howell says, Ian, we didn't see a lot of video during Vietnam.

01:49:11.000 There were only three channels, no internet.

01:49:13.000 Much of the video came out after the war.

01:49:15.000 There was a lot of self-censorship then, too.

01:49:18.000 Gore was not the huge draw it is now.

01:49:20.000 Okay.

01:49:23.000 Interesting.

01:49:23.000 Yeah, it's fascinating.

01:49:25.000 Okay, someone's got the correction for me.

01:49:26.000 I stand corrected.

01:49:27.000 Bill Hughes says they were not doing jumping jacks.

01:49:30.000 They were being taught how to do the side straddle hop, which is a government jumping jack.

01:49:34.000 Huh.

01:49:35.000 Okay.

01:49:35.000 So harder for no reason.

01:49:36.000 No, but I'm glad we have the specific name for it.

01:49:41.000 All right.

01:49:41.000 Weird.

01:49:42.000 I think that was a joke.

01:49:43.000 Was that a joke?

01:49:44.000 No, it's side straddle.

01:49:46.000 Oh.

01:49:46.000 Yeah, these people, they were trying to teach him how to do, you know, side straddle hops.

01:49:50.000 These people, this one guy, he's going like this.

01:49:53.000 I was like, what are you doing with your hands?

01:49:56.000 Like, you watched the guy, right?

01:49:59.000 You know, look, man, people who are not educated and who are impoverished, they're just not going to be made for this kind of stuff.

01:50:06.000 All right.

01:50:07.000 Martin Edgar says, look up pictures of Afghanistan in the 70s.

01:50:10.000 Before the Russian-Afghan war, women wore jeans and not a burka to be seen.

01:50:15.000 Afghanistan has a close proximity to China.

01:50:17.000 Tactically, it would have been advantageous to remain.

01:50:21.000 Interesting.

01:50:25.000 Matt Bowler says, Tim, these people do have social cohesion and culture.

01:50:28.000 Religion.

01:50:29.000 However, the conflict between religious groups is so fundamentally rooted, it will seemingly forever spur problems.

01:50:36.000 I agree.

01:50:38.000 Brandon Tom says, South Korea has been resisting invasion since June 25th, 1950, and has been grateful for our help ever since.

01:50:44.000 Korea is different and awesome.

01:50:46.000 I certainly, I certainly think so as well.

01:50:48.000 I think with Korea, it was the, it's, you know, massive force of communism taking over all these countries, and we said, hey, don't take over these countries, and then we get involved in these conflicts.

01:50:56.000 Though I'm not a fan of what happened with a lot of, I gotta say, I gotta be honest.

01:51:00.000 Vietnam, awful.

01:51:01.000 But, uh, for my family, like, South Korea existing is, like, a really great thing, so I'm happy about that.

01:51:08.000 I, you know, I don't live in Korea.

01:51:10.000 I'm not from Korea, but... What was it like with the Russians being like, we're going to test a bunch of our weapons, and the U.S. 0.90

01:51:14.000 is like, cool, we'll test a bunch of ours.

01:51:16.000 Let's use Korea to do it. 1.00

01:51:17.000 What do you mean?

01:51:18.000 Like, is that what that war... It was a proxy war.

01:51:20.000 Like, were they just testing weapons and using the Korean people? 1.00

01:51:22.000 It was the expansion of communism.

01:51:23.000 Same as Vietnam. 0.78

01:51:24.000 That's what they called... That's what they said.

01:51:25.000 But what was it really?

01:51:26.000 It was just an arms race.

01:51:27.000 Was Vietnam the same thing?

01:51:28.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:51:30.000 No, I think it was... The Chinese and the Americans using their weapons. 0.95

01:51:33.000 Communists were spreading across the Asian continent, and the U.S.

01:51:36.000 was like, We can ignore this because they're not our countries, but then what happens in 30 years when the communists control all of Asia, Europe, and North Africa, and then they're impossible to stop, and then they start cutting off our supplies, and then the U.S.

01:51:48.000 falls to these dictators.

01:51:49.000 We have to go now, otherwise they grow too much.

01:51:49.000 Yeah.

01:51:52.000 It's possible, and probably even likely, I would say, that it was more than one reason, or more than one, like, positive outcome that could come out of it.

01:51:59.000 You get to test your weapons, and you get to stop communism.

01:52:03.000 All right, let's see.

01:52:04.000 Scallum says, those were ANA soldiers.

01:52:06.000 Then there are NDS and KPF soldiers.

01:52:09.000 More skilled, but needed to be babysat to function.

01:52:12.000 Most Afghans are sheep people. 1.00

01:52:14.000 The smarter ones left or leave as soon as they can.

01:52:16.000 Yeah, they're like farmers, right?

01:52:17.000 They just... Mostly.

01:52:18.000 Yeah, it's... I can't blame them for not knowing how to fight or being able to understand it.

01:52:23.000 I just think the government, like the US should have realized like, hey, wait a minute, this isn't going to work.

01:52:26.000 Well, they get all their opium and now they're out?

01:52:28.000 Is that what... Did they extract all the opium or something?

01:52:33.000 The Taliban banned the opium stuff?

01:52:33.000 Yeah, what was it?

01:52:35.000 Is that true?

01:52:36.000 They banned masks.

01:52:36.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:52:38.000 Is that right?

01:52:39.000 I don't know if that's true. 1.00

01:52:40.000 They banned some like critical race theory or something stupid. 0.99

01:52:44.000 Maybe that's a meme, dude. 0.99

01:52:44.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:52:45.000 It's a meme, dude.

01:52:47.000 All right, let's see.

01:52:49.000 No, they banned the vaccine, I think.

01:52:51.000 Tovid Benson says, How can you expect the U.S.

01:52:54.000 to teach community identity and create cultural cohesion to a foreign entity if we are abolishing those same values and cohesion in the U.S.?

01:53:01.000 did not make an effort to understand the local tribal cultures to find what would create cohesion.

01:53:01.000 The U.S.

01:53:06.000 Nor will they do it here in the U.S.

01:53:08.000 when you get people like, you know, General Mark Milley being like, I want to understand white rage!

01:53:13.000 Yeah, you'll alienate 92% of the country?

01:53:15.000 Good job.

01:53:16.000 See, but what he said at the time, I don't think he really wants to understand it.

01:53:21.000 He just said what fits in narrative because he wants to fit into Washington.

01:53:25.000 And so much of the discussion these days is just people just going along with whatever flows.

01:53:25.000 Right.

01:53:30.000 This is a story from the week Taliban bans COVID-19 vaccine in Paktia.

01:53:36.000 All right, we got George Butler says, Hey, Tim and crew, do you think POTUS should send social workers instead of troops to Afghanistan?

01:53:43.000 Perhaps.

01:53:44.000 And they can teach people.

01:53:45.000 And I think it will happen.

01:53:48.000 I do.

01:53:48.000 You can't stop it, though.

01:53:49.000 Taiwan will be the US's Suez Canal moment, the point at which the world knows beyond beyond doubt the US is no

01:53:55.000 longer top dog.

01:53:56.000 And I think it will happen. I do. You can't stop it though.

01:54:00.000 I mean you could, but the problem is Mark Milley

01:54:05.000 You know, I don't mean him literally just he's the only problem.

01:54:08.000 I mean, you look at the things he says and the way he behaves, and it just shows the spinelessness, the weak mindedness.

01:54:14.000 There's I'll tell you this.

01:54:16.000 I think a large portion of American leadership has like almost no mental fortitude.

01:54:21.000 And the fact that Mark Milley is.

01:54:25.000 In the position he is just shows that like, you know, the emperor has no clothes.

01:54:28.000 It's weird that that feeling like that we have too much to lose.

01:54:32.000 We don't want to fight because we don't want to lose what we have.

01:54:33.000 Like we're so elevated above other people that we don't want to lose our stuff, whereas they don't have that.

01:54:38.000 So they're like, I'll fight.

01:54:39.000 I got nothing to lose.

01:54:41.000 So you don't want to get too far ahead of everybody else.

01:54:46.000 Justin Middleton says, Tim, big fan, but I don't understand this.

01:54:48.000 You often quote Edmund Burke, all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

01:54:53.000 Why doesn't this apply globally, considering your stance on foreign intervention?

01:54:57.000 I don't think the Taliban are going to be an international cabal that, you know, take over the world, but that's why I was saying about the Soviet Union, I understand why the US was doing what it did, and I'm certainly happy that South Korea exists and was defended, although the US wasn't able to Defend all of Korea. 0.77

01:55:15.000 It's tough.

01:55:17.000 Vietnam was a major failure and we lost there, but ultimately the Soviet Union fell.

01:55:24.000 I look at Afghanistan and I'm like, what are we worried about with Taliban? 1.00

01:55:27.000 Like I understand 9-11 and all that stuff for sure, but that was specifically targeting a group of people But that's a line the president said today.

01:55:35.000 Like, technically we could have left Afghanistan 10-15 years ago, and if we can't leave today, we can't leave in 15-20 years from now either.

01:55:41.000 It's like, what are we trying to accomplish at this point?

01:55:44.000 Yeah, he said, we went after Osama bin Laden, we got him. 1.00

01:55:46.000 Okay, there you go.

01:55:47.000 I think what Ron Paul often said was, we shouldn't have declared war, we should have declared mark and reprisal against a specific group.

01:55:56.000 Yeah, I think all in all, I think the mess up with Afghanistan is not so much going out. 1.00

01:56:06.000 It's, I think, how things will play out going forward.

01:56:09.000 I think the hasty withdrawal, the way it was done, is more like an abandonment.

01:56:15.000 And I think this may have long-term consequences.

01:56:17.000 In other words, the deficiency is not in actually leaving Afghanistan.

01:56:22.000 I think people can understand that.

01:56:24.000 I think if the U.S.

01:56:26.000 were to leave Afghanistan in some sort of a more orderly fashion, you know, using the last few months to do it and not having these images the last 72 hours, I don't think it would undermine the U.S., the role of the U.S.

01:56:41.000 in the world.

01:56:42.000 So I don't think leaving in itself is going to be a problem.

01:56:45.000 I think how it's done and You know, not being able to keep a government going, spending so much money in the military and turning your back on people who help you.

01:56:56.000 I think those things will be a disaster.

01:56:59.000 All right, BlackRockBeacon says, Yeah, I don't know.

01:57:01.000 The U.S.

01:57:01.000 Afghan commandos while in SF. They were competent, also trained regulars, and some older guys

01:57:06.000 who were Mujahideen were very good. But many couldn't aim a gun. As with most armies, the 0.97

01:57:12.000 bulk are the regulars. Taliban are mostly seasoned fighters on par with commandos." 0.75

01:57:17.000 That's... if that's true, that's crazy. And if they... even if that 85,000 guys were trained...

01:57:23.000 man. Yeah, I don't know. The US wasn't going to be able to hold that.

01:57:31.000 Ah, here's a very, very important subject.

01:57:34.000 Working Rageaholic says, Oi Tim, can you talk about Yuri Bezmenov?

01:57:38.000 Dude warned us years ago about what was going to happen, but no one listened.

01:57:41.000 You ever see that Yuri Bezmenov video?

01:57:43.000 Yeah, yeah, Ian.

01:57:45.000 Yes.

01:57:46.000 We should make everyone watch it every day.

01:57:47.000 Have you ever been asked about that video 25 times?

01:57:51.000 You know, we have the thing that appears on the screen that says, like, share this, you know, like this, you know, subscribe.

01:57:57.000 We should make another one where it just says, yes, we've seen the Uri Besmanov video.

01:58:01.000 Just include it in it.

01:58:02.000 Is that guy still kicking?

01:58:03.000 Is he alive still?

01:58:04.000 He was old.

01:58:05.000 I'm not sure.

01:58:06.000 I don't know, but I appreciate all the superchats of people constantly bringing him up, because he was warning us, and when people bring it up and we get to say it, more people will learn about it.

01:58:12.000 Yeah, he told us about how the long game, basically, the communist long game of, like, they get into your culture, and then they start ceding dissent for 20 years, and then they... so we're kind of... he was telling us about this in the 90s, and saying, it's happening right now.

01:58:24.000 He's right.

01:58:25.000 Moosey Moose says, I urge everyone, watch a video on YouTube titled Mass Psychosis.

01:58:31.000 How an entire population becomes mentally ill.

01:58:33.000 They talk about a killing of the mind, modern-day totalitarian, and how parallel systems can be used to defeat it.

01:58:39.000 I've seen that video, it is really, really good, and it is incredibly well done.

01:58:42.000 It is called Mass Psychosis, How an Entire Population Becomes Mentally Ill.

01:58:46.000 You gotta check it out.

01:58:47.000 You should watch it.

01:58:49.000 It basically talks about... I'll just leave it at that.

01:58:52.000 Thanks.

01:58:52.000 Watch it, and you'll be like, hmm, this sounds familiar.

01:58:56.000 Oh yeah, and it's like a big channel doing an educational video like Talking Philosophy.

01:59:02.000 You'll have to look it up, I don't know.

01:59:05.000 All right.

01:59:06.000 Adjadim says, shout out to OJPAC, Yassi's non-profit org.

01:59:11.000 Oh yeah.

01:59:11.000 Do you have a non-profit?

01:59:13.000 Yeah.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, what do you do?

01:59:15.000 Our mission is to fight bigotry against the Orthodox Jewish community and to advocate for civil rights, civil liberties that affect our community.

01:59:21.000 For example, last year we pushed a lot of data and advocacy in terms of restoring patient rights in hospitals.

01:59:29.000 I think, not I think, until today most hospitals do not have regular visitation restored due to coronavirus and I think it's important for people who believe in family values to have the ability to visit family members.

01:59:43.000 It's very important for their recovery so we advocate it on that front.

01:59:47.000 We also pushed a lot of advocacy to open schools last year in New York because, again, unlike most of the U.S., I think like only 21% of the U.S.

02:00:01.000 population is under the age of 18.

02:00:02.000 In our community, it's 60%.

02:00:05.000 Can you believe it?

02:00:06.000 It's, you know, three-fifths.

02:00:06.000 Wow.

02:00:08.000 It's huge.

02:00:09.000 So when you didn't have school for a week, you can imagine how parents and families are going crazy.

02:00:14.000 And how important school is.

02:00:15.000 It's not all, you know, you have a child here and there.

02:00:17.000 You have like the, more than half of the population is stuck in time.

02:00:21.000 So, you know, those are things.

02:00:23.000 And also we were, one of the lawsuits that were brought against Como to permit people to go to synagogues, to congregations.

02:00:32.000 was something that we helped coordinate.

02:00:35.000 You know, that lawsuit ultimately was sidelined because two other lawsuits from, I think, the Catholics in Brooklyn and also from other major Orthodox organizations advanced to the Supreme Court.

02:00:46.000 So this lawsuit didn't take off, but we were busy, you know, on the front.

02:00:50.000 So that's where we would, you know, advocate a lot.

02:00:53.000 On these issues and then on the defensive front, I think Como for a while last fall and also Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York City, they had a disproportionate focus on Orthodox Jews as a community by skewing coronavirus data points and we pushed back with press releases, articles, TV appearances.

02:01:14.000 Studies and numbers, you know, to keep the conversation going.

02:01:16.000 I think any grown community, especially community that stands out.

02:01:21.000 I mean, you walk in the street, somebody's Orthodox Jewish, you can see it.

02:01:25.000 I think it's important to get information out there, either in a proactive or a reactive fashion, and we try doing that.

02:01:32.000 Right on.

02:01:32.000 Between the tweets.

02:01:34.000 Emily Mower says... Good name for a book, by the way.

02:01:34.000 All right.

02:01:37.000 Did Ian just say rights are given?

02:01:39.000 The government does not grant us our rights.

02:01:41.000 The Constitution protects our rights that we inherently have from the government.

02:01:44.000 LOL.

02:01:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:01:46.000 That's what we tell ourselves.

02:01:47.000 The myth of our time.

02:01:48.000 Come on.

02:01:49.000 It's enforced by law.

02:01:50.000 What do you mean?

02:01:51.000 All our rights that we say are God-given.

02:01:53.000 Come on.

02:01:54.000 That's not... You are a product of your society.

02:01:56.000 Our society is built to protect those rights that we gave ourselves.

02:02:01.000 What do you mean?

02:02:01.000 The United States is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

02:02:04.000 It's not like we accidentally have all these rights.

02:02:06.000 We had to choose to create these for ourselves.

02:02:08.000 He's saying an interesting point.

02:02:09.000 He's saying that you need to have a government that agrees to protect your rights.

02:02:15.000 If not, those rights are taken away by government.

02:02:18.000 Oh, interesting.

02:02:21.000 The rights are not given by government.

02:02:28.000 That's why it's called negative rights, not government gives you.

02:02:35.000 You are protected from government taking it away, but that means government is willing not to take it away.

02:02:40.000 So we're still governed by law.

02:02:46.000 You're getting semantic again, Ian.

02:02:48.000 She's saying that we all have these rights.

02:02:51.000 Like, I as an individual believe these rights are mine and you can't take them.

02:02:54.000 You can try.

02:02:55.000 Fortunately, we have a Bill of Rights in this country that protects the rights that I believe I have and have always had.

02:03:00.000 And I do think the government infringes on those rights.

02:03:03.000 The government doesn't grant them to us.

02:03:04.000 We have them.

02:03:05.000 The government just breaks the rules and tries to take them from us all the time.

02:03:08.000 Yeah.

02:03:08.000 And they do.

02:03:09.000 All right, let's see.

02:03:11.000 TheLastOfMyKind says, on my birthday, I told y'all how I was 31 walking with a cane last week.

02:03:16.000 Took Ian's advice and got some collagen.

02:03:18.000 Thanks, BioTrust.

02:03:19.000 Keep it up, Shim Kess.

02:03:20.000 Nice.

02:03:20.000 Whoa, whoa.

02:03:21.000 Shim Kess.

02:03:21.000 Dude, check out SoCal Chiropractic.

02:03:26.000 Ace Thayer, man.

02:03:27.000 This 70-year-old man came in, bent over on a walker and he cracked his neck, helped him stand up straight, and the dude's off the walker.

02:03:35.000 Interesting.

02:03:36.000 You can do it too.

02:03:38.000 Wootdoo4u says, I have counted Tim's exasperated sighs at Ian's answers.

02:03:42.000 It's over 9,000.

02:03:44.000 Love you, Ian, but sometimes you make me bash my skull against a brick wall.

02:03:47.000 That's why I'm here, baby.

02:03:48.000 Love you, too.

02:03:51.000 All right, Andrew S. says, This one made me a fan of Yossi.

02:03:53.000 Great guest.

02:03:54.000 Absolutely.

02:03:54.000 All right, we'll just go.

02:03:57.000 Okay.

02:03:57.000 So you're the one.

02:03:58.000 We'll just grab one more, very important.

02:04:01.000 Garhent says, Ian is to the left of Stalin.

02:04:04.000 Someone have Ian do the political compass online.

02:04:06.000 It'll be funny to see the look on his face when he realizes he's a commie.

02:04:09.000 Controlled opposition, we can do this.

02:04:11.000 All right, everybody, if you haven't already, give a tap to that little like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends if you really like it, leave us a good review, leave some comments, and go to TimCast.com, become a member, because there will be a members-only segment coming up It usually goes live around 11 or so p.m. So you'll

02:04:29.000 definitely want to check that one out. They're always more fun

02:04:30.000 We've had a lot of people say can we make the members only show the main show and I'm like I guess the problem is

02:04:35.000 We get banned. Yeah immediately. I don't I don't think we say anything that crazy

02:04:39.000 But we're allowed to actually say like here's what YouTube would ban us for if we were gonna have this conversation

02:04:44.000 So we try to have them there. I Guess it kind of sucks in a lot of ways 0.65

02:04:47.000 But we're growing the business and we've got a lot of stuff on the way 0.60

02:04:51.000 Someone super chatted that I said Tales of Intrigue, that is not the name of the show.

02:04:54.000 That would be very generic.

02:04:55.000 That's generally it, because Shane, who's writing all this stuff, he wrote like a Mafia murder mystery cold case, which is really awesome.

02:05:02.000 And so we're turning, you know, his articles into a show, and then we're going to have his story, and then followed by someone from the house, like, hanging out and talking about the stuff.

02:05:11.000 So it'll be really cool, like, when he talks about some—when he writes up, like, DMT or whatever, Ian will be, you know, have a conversation with him, and that'll be a members-only podcast.

02:05:18.000 So definitely become a member at timcast.com.

02:05:21.000 Is there anything you want to shout out, Yossi, before we go?

02:05:23.000 I just want to give you a thanks for giving me the opportunity to appear on your show and I want to give a shout out to you.

02:05:29.000 I think, how old are you, 36?

02:05:33.000 Okay, so younger than me, with a year of change.

02:05:35.000 I think it takes a lot of energy and, you know, will to do what you do, and, you know, to go along with the program.

02:05:44.000 I'm not saying you're a contrarian just for the fun of it, but you have your thoughts, you have your opinions, and you share it.

02:05:50.000 You share it in an interesting way.

02:05:53.000 You bring in guests, you know, to challenge, and you challenge your semi-co-host there.

02:05:57.000 You know, I think you guys, I thought you guys were going to blow.

02:06:01.000 I would have.

02:06:02.000 I restrain myself.

02:06:03.000 Yeah, apparently.

02:06:04.000 So I think to run a business and to start a business, especially in the commentary world, I think it takes a lot of guts.

02:06:11.000 Especially that you never know when haters will try to pile on and then try to pile on in a destructive way and try to de-platform and destroy you.

02:06:23.000 I think this, you know, having the opportunity to speak to your audience is what made me take this drive of more than four hours.

02:06:30.000 Thank you for doing that.

02:06:32.000 It's not like I walked in there from, I was in the neighborhood.

02:06:35.000 It's a drive of four hours plus stops, you know, each way.

02:06:38.000 And also I wanted to have the ability to strengthen what you do.

02:06:44.000 I appreciate it, man.

02:06:45.000 I think we spoke of the show, a lot of times people like to say, you know, cancel culture, you know, is bad.

02:06:52.000 Okay, so if cancel culture is bad, you should be out there and conversing with people who are not part of the machine.

02:07:00.000 People who are out there who may, who others may try to cancel.

02:07:03.000 I'm not saying he's a pariah, but I'm just trying to get a point across that From a business perspective and from a policy perspective and from an accomplishment perspective, what Tim is doing is amazing.

02:07:14.000 I appreciate it.

02:07:17.000 It's a benefit for me of being able to be here and I wanted to join your show no matter the time that it takes because I think you're doing amazing work.

02:07:25.000 You got a Twitter account?

02:07:26.000 Yeah, I do have a Twitter account, which is at Y-O-S-S-I.

02:07:30.000 Gstetner.

02:07:31.000 C-L-C. 1.00

02:07:32.000 Gstetner.

02:07:32.000 Y-O-S-S-I.

02:07:33.000 Gstetner.

02:07:34.000 Now, I don't know why.

02:07:35.000 Tim and I, we don't follow each other.

02:07:36.000 What?

02:07:37.000 We used to follow.

02:07:38.000 We unfollowed.

02:07:39.000 I don't know why.

02:07:39.000 I never unfollowed.

02:07:40.000 I get unfollowed from people all the time.

02:07:41.000 Yeah, so, yeah, but... Ron Coleman.

02:07:44.000 You know Ron Coleman?

02:07:45.000 I've been unfollowed from him like four times.

02:07:45.000 Of course.

02:07:47.000 So Ron, and when I said before that we tried to push a lawsuit, Ron was the attorney on that lawsuit.

02:07:55.000 And I arranged at the time a major press conference, major, not national TV, but regionally we had all the TV channels there.

02:08:03.000 Yeah, I know Ron very well and he was actually honored at our event.

02:08:07.000 We have an annual dinner and he was honored this year for his for his work for the Orthodox community.

02:08:12.000 Right on.

02:08:13.000 But yeah, so... Cool, man.

02:08:15.000 So that's that.

02:08:16.000 I appreciate the time.

02:08:18.000 It's good to know you, Ian.

02:08:19.000 And I appreciate the inquisitor questions before the show.

02:08:22.000 It's interesting.

02:08:23.000 Oh yeah, we're talking about religion, talking about Judaism, Hasidism.

02:08:27.000 Hasidism is the people. 0.99

02:08:28.000 Hasidism is the way of life. 1.00

02:08:35.000 Maybe get into it a little bit on the after show.

02:08:36.000 We'll get into it.

02:08:37.000 It's pretty cool.

02:08:38.000 And don't forget to follow the show at TimCastIRL on every platform or whatever.

02:08:42.000 And you can follow me at TimCast.

02:08:44.000 Yeah, I'm at IanCrossland.

02:08:45.000 IanCrossland.net.

02:08:46.000 Love you.

02:08:47.000 And you guys may follow me on Twitter at SarahPatchLids.

02:08:49.000 And I really appreciate Yossi driving all the way down here.

02:08:51.000 And I'm excited for the after show because we are going to talk about his faith.

02:08:54.000 That's right.

02:08:55.000 We love talking about religion and stuff because it's, you know, just the big questions.

02:08:58.000 So make sure you go to TimCast.com, be a member, and we will see you all there.

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