In the wake of the release of no indictments for the Louisville police officers involved in the shooting death of a woman named Breonna Taylor, the Black Guns Matter founder Maj. Tawea Toure joins Jemele to discuss the case.
00:00:52.000He got, I believe, three counts of wanton endangerment because he was firing into other apartments.
00:00:59.000The left has taken this as an extreme slight, saying that if Breonna Taylor is innocent, then why is he getting charged for almost hurting somebody else, but not getting charged at all for the death of Breonna Taylor?
00:01:12.000It's an interesting argument, and we're gonna have to talk a lot about it, but once you learn the full details of what happened, it becomes a much more interesting and nuanced story.
00:01:19.000And I'll say straight up, I've even seen conservative, right-wing journalists and personalities get this wrong.
00:01:26.000And we did it last night, when I said it was a no-knock warrant.
00:02:38.000But I gotta say, you know, something weird's been going on with this show, where we book people, and then something crazy happens during the day, and we're like, wow, what a great coincidence this person happens to be here, because we got Maj Toure here.
00:02:51.000You're the founder of Black Guns Matter.
00:03:09.000So anyway, we're going to talk a lot about this and I think we're just, we got a bunch of other stories we can go through because I really want to talk about Philando Castile and gun rights, guns in general, and Black Lives Matter stuff, Black Guns Matter stuff.
00:03:22.000So make sure you smash the like button, subscribe.
00:04:04.000Somebody changed something in the matrix.
00:04:06.000I don't yeah, you know, I'll tell you this just like as a pointless aside when it comes to building computers and like setting up stuff I often hear like me and my friends always talk about this.
00:04:16.000There's like magic It's a joke because we're like we plug everything in the way It's supposed to go turn it on nothing happens and we're like what we did everything, right?
00:04:24.000And then you unplug it plug it back in it works, right?
00:04:26.000Like we I have no idea what so we just call it magic.
00:04:29.000Yeah, like I don't know magic whatever, you know simulation magic Magic.
00:04:42.000So for those that are just tuning in, the quick recap.
00:04:44.000Earlier today, the AG announced the cops involved in the Breonna Taylor case will not be indicted in relation to the death of Breonna Taylor.
00:06:49.000Some of my friends may disagree with me.
00:06:55.000Especially people that have been the people that will agree with me have probably either been in a shootout Shot at someone or shot had someone shoot at them People that know what rounds do will totally get why someone getting shot at will shoot back.
00:07:12.000Oh, yeah So in that sense I want to again lead with my primary thought is the state government Which is useless, which does not help.
00:07:27.000We'll get into that later, because we'll disagree.
00:07:42.000And if I don't answer my door, and whoever's on the other side of that door, that doesn't announce exactly who they are, and it's not clear who they are, if they break into my house, I am well within my means to shoot them.
00:07:56.000If you come into my house after a certain time unannounced, I'm not answering the door.
00:08:01.000And if you kick my door in, Here's the challenge, man.
00:08:33.000I think that just like they lied about saying that they talked to the postmaster and the postmaster they got proof that the mail was coming for the drug dealers and all that to the house and the postmaster general was like that's not true.
00:08:50.000Now, unfortunately, regardless of if I believe it or not, Breonna's dead.
00:08:55.000Then they charged Kenneth Walker for defending his house, and the only reason why he's out of jail is because people started making an uproar about it.
00:09:15.000So I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to be that milquetoast fence-sitter on this one, right?
00:09:19.000Maybe it's not going to work, but the idea is, let's say, benefit of the doubt to the cops, you disagree, you think they're lying, and I respect that for sure, because of course everyone's going to protect their own interests.
00:09:42.000Yeah, you break into my house, I'm defending myself.
00:09:44.000It's not the first time we've heard stories like this, too, where a cop, you know, they'll break in, and they're playing close, and even if they announce themselves, this is why I say, when I say it's not anybody's fault, what I'm trying to say, it's the system's fault.
00:09:56.000So I agree when you say the state is responsible.
00:12:15.000Tim robs me, and I go, man, Tim just robbed me!
00:12:19.000I call the police, they come get the information, they do the investigation, not in drug cases.
00:12:24.000They sit, they lie, they sneak, they put stuff on people.
00:12:28.000The bigger other question that's not being, statement that's not being said is, this is another clear-cut example that the war on drugs is an extreme failure.
00:12:36.000And in this scenario, it cost Breonna Taylor her life, Kenneth Walker had to be in jail, couldn't even attend, you know, he had to deal with that, right?
00:12:47.000The law enforcement officers could have got killed.
00:13:33.000So, the bigger issue is the war on drugs is a complete sham.
00:13:38.000It's putting Respectable law enforcement officers, I am not a statist by any stretch of the imagination.
00:13:46.000However, I want guys to, if that guy or woman puts that uniform on to say, I'm gonna catch some robbers, some rapists, and some unjustified killers today, and I'm gonna make the community safer, I salute them.
00:13:57.000But if you're running around talking about, yeah, we heard that they had drugs, the person that wanted the heroin and this person had the money, you see that it's a failure.
00:14:07.000And so I think the bigger picture is having those conversations in that regard.
00:14:11.000And I have to settle with the fact that, and it hurts, I have to settle with the fact that because of systemic Flaws?
00:14:21.000This young woman will never be able to see her family again.
00:15:16.000The far left does the exact same thing.
00:15:17.000These, like, extremists, these rioters, they smash and burn.
00:15:20.000And with a smile on their face, they'll lie about everything.
00:15:23.000They'll claim, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist.
00:15:25.000And just a kid who was, you know, coming out and... Shouts to Kyle under duress, doing his thing.
00:15:33.000And lowering his weapon when the dude has hands up.
00:15:37.000The last guy who didn't get shot, because two guys put their hands up, this is actually in the video they put out, he puts his hand up and Kyle immediately lowers his weapon under duress, it's a good point.
00:15:48.000So the left will lie, they'll claim all these things about him to protect themselves.
00:15:52.000And I see that in every single community, I don't care if it's the police, I don't care if it's Antifa, people do this for their communities, whatever it is.
00:15:59.000The problem we have, We rely on police.
00:16:10.000My first interaction with law enforcement, and be clear, I've had law enforcement guys, Diana Mueller, who's a three-gun competition shooter, has been one of Black Guns Matter's staunchest supporters.
00:16:23.000She's a cop, though, and some of the things she's just never gonna, I'm like, bro, you're heavy-handed on certain issues because you're 20 years ex-law enforcement.
00:16:31.000I have guys that I totally would trust my life with that are law enforcement.
00:16:35.000Ken Scott, Prevectus Group, came down to the Solutionary Summit.
00:16:38.000Instructor of the year in my mind, like every year, right?
00:17:45.000We thought you was hustling because I was excited to put the hustler shirt on that I bought with my hard-earned money coming back to school.
00:17:55.000This is my first experience with law enforcement.
00:17:58.000In the communities, and I argue on both sides, I get love and hate from both sides because that experience in urban America is a different experience than maybe, maybe, maybe in suburban America.
00:18:11.000And if I'm in a ten block radius that I never leave, and three out of the ten cops in my ten block radius during the time that I'm there, three of those are like horrible humans.
00:18:22.000That is my lived experience with law enforcement.
00:18:24.000Is that a scathing indictment of all law enforcement?
00:19:12.000Because, unfortunately, Um, a lot of people do not have the emotional demeanor and the speak the legalese to deal with law enforcement officers from an objective and logical perspective.
00:19:30.000And so tensions are high and it could cost somebody their life.
00:21:02.000If you want social workers, then I think one of the ideas, I think you had this idea, Ian, like having a social worker with a cop, which means adding to the police, not taking away from.
00:21:38.000I don't care if that's an American citizen.
00:21:40.000As a gun owner, I don't go anywhere without a gun.
00:21:42.000I carry, allegedly, unlawfully, in New York, in New Jersey, in Chicago, in Compton, in wherever, wherever.
00:21:50.000If anyone that's with me uses their firearm, shoot first, ask questions later, I want my homie to have his day in court and go to jail.
00:21:59.000Okay, these bullets, much like toothpaste, the bullets don't go back in the, you know, the rounds don't go back in the barrel, the toothpaste don't go back in the tube.
00:22:08.000So, I am gonna say... The gist of what I'm saying is, I think we need police.
00:22:49.000They were well within their rights to kill Harriet Tubman.
00:22:53.000If you name, if we wanna be honest, if we wanna be honest as Americans, all of our heroes were outlaws.
00:23:02.000George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, we were talking about Gandhi, Gandhi, all of these guys and women We're rebels.
00:23:15.000We're like, no, this is morally repugnant and incorrect.
00:23:19.000Law enforcement, not peace officers like it used to be, not sheriffs, not deputizing constables from the community as it should be.
00:23:29.000Law enforcement has turned into a over-militarized racket to generate revenue for the state.
00:23:36.000And when we have so many laws, you're saying your tickets, right?
00:24:12.000Well, I don't know about court fees in these circumstances, but probably because I've only had a couple experiences, but I'm pretty sure in many circumstances, like your headlights out, get it fixed.
00:24:21.000And then you go to the court and you show them you got it fixed and they're like, you're free to go.
00:24:56.000The problem is we keep asking the state to correct us or tell us when we're wrong.
00:25:01.000And it ties, I know we kind of going out in the weeds, but to bring it back, it's, this is why you have more and more laws Where we have to depend on more and more police to do things that, again, like, we're talking about taking a social worker with a police officer.
00:25:17.000They did that somewhere where, like, the arrests, like, dropped or something like that.
00:25:23.000The reality is we do not need more police officer or more policing.
00:26:32.000The psychological origin of cannabis decriminalization in America was this one dude, I forget his name, he said marijuana makes white women want to sleep with negro jazz musicians.
00:26:50.000That is the origin of cannabis criminalization in America.
00:28:12.000So people who live out in rural areas, even in suburban areas, where you've got smaller departments, you've got, and even some of these smaller suburban departments are militarized.
00:30:43.000I believe that that pedophile, that I think is the scum of the earth, should go to jail, should come outside, and he's paid his debt to society.
00:31:11.000We're not wasting a bunch of time here.
00:31:13.000Let's give him a, let's give him a trial by jury.
00:31:16.000I'm, I'm extremely hard on people that take life.
00:31:21.000I'm extremely hard on people that rape.
00:31:25.000And for rape, I would have a different set of things, but death for me would be people that kill people.
00:31:31.000You know, rape's an interesting one, because there's two kinds of- there's statutory rape, and then there's forced intercourse, and they're completely different experiences.
00:31:40.000As someone that was falsely accused of statutory rape, That's an area with rape in general, but more specifically both of those.
00:31:49.000I'm like, yo, we got a fine-toothed calmness because I know a dude that just came home for like 40 years.
00:31:58.000See, I think we should change what that's called, statutory rape, into another word.
00:32:02.000I think that rape is, and my homegirls always upset me when I say this, I think rape is forcible.
00:32:10.000You know, remember when Aziz Ansari, the comedian... Yeah, like Bad Date.
00:32:15.000Yeah, the girl said, like, he didn't threaten me, he didn't make me feel uncomfortable, but like, She wound up, you know, giving him fellatio twice that night.
00:32:25.000And then she told her homegirl, was like, yo, I think, like, I didn't like it.
00:32:29.000And she's like, oh girl, you were raped!
00:32:31.000And the homegirl that she was talking to, like, wrote a piece on it.
00:32:34.000Mind you, he didn't, she, by her own admission, is like, he didn't force me, he didn't threaten me, he didn't make me feel uncomfortable after the fact.
00:34:45.000According to the law, according to the AG, they were defending their property, people broke out of their property, and the cops came, and the McCloskeys were like, turn around so no one sees you, and I'm like, no, these guys came and stole your guns, dude!
00:39:28.000I can find concealment and cover in my house.
00:39:31.000From a tactical and strategic standpoint, that's what I do.
00:39:35.000Would you fault someone for assuming that if someone, you know, in this mob and someone has something that looks like a long black barrel, would you fault someone for thinking, I gotta defend myself?
00:39:43.000Yeah, but you don't defend yourself by going towards the gun.
00:40:02.000And if you don't know anything about cameras, people are looking at this and there's a guy literally holding a long black barrel and pointing it at him.
00:40:09.000And I see that and I'm like, he's got a shotgun mic on a DSLR.
00:40:28.000I don't think that their gun should have been confiscated.
00:40:31.000But they are not safe and responsible gun owners.
00:40:35.000From a tactical perspective, you have the high ground, you have a stone house, you have concealment and cover.
00:40:42.000You have rifles, you have the element of surprise.
00:40:44.000You didn't take a second to wait and watch.
00:40:47.000Now, if they come through the gate, they shootin', absolutely get busy.
00:40:55.000Absolutely, but that's not what happened.
00:40:57.000I feel like the challenge is... I definitely hear what you're saying.
00:41:00.000I feel like the challenge is... What if somebody's a gun owner, and they're just really dumb?
00:41:05.000But they're on their property, there's a crowd there.
00:41:09.000You know, the challenge is, if you go to somebody else's house, and they're scared, even if they have no idea how to use a gun, they're holding it backwards and pointing it at themselves or whatever, it's like... No, I don't fault them at all.
00:41:57.000Two different kinds of bootlickers right now.
00:41:59.000You've got people cheering on as the cops seize the weapon from gun owners who, for all their faults, had a legal right to defend their property.
00:42:44.000So all of these businesses, because a handful of them, there's a big story about this, the rubble removal exceeded the cost that insurance covered.
00:42:53.000Because most people didn't think they were gonna have to deal with a pile of smoldering rubble.
00:43:20.000Darren Seals, there was a group of people, I went to Ferguson, talked to Mike Brown's dad, talked to Darren Seals who was a very powerful figure.
00:43:31.000There's video of him saying, because it turned from the Ferguson movement to Black Lives Matter.
00:44:20.000My point in saying that is, even Darren Seals said years ago, five, six years ago, Black Lives Matter as the organization just got $500,000 from Google.
00:44:31.000It is not what we, it's been co-opted.
00:44:36.000What's up with this defensive looting stuff, man?
00:44:39.000Because you're talking to a group of people that have been That experience that I had with law enforcement and your experience with law enforcement, we're not getting that same feeling from the suburban areas with law enforcement.
00:44:52.000And if that has been your lived experience for decades, for the length of time, you're not going to come across police officers for like a bunch, but if you come across them five times and four of them are trash, and you have no experience of the other like good officers, So it becomes like, yo, you gotta remember, we don't own these buildings in the places that we live.
00:48:26.000And I'm so mad that I didn't think, I didn't want to have a phone in my hand because they had bags.
00:48:31.000I don't want to have a phone in my hand if I got to, you know, get busy.
00:48:35.000So one of the dudes goes over to, if I'm lying, I'm flying, I swear, if y'all, anybody listening wants to do some independent journalism, Allegro's is the pizza shop across the street.
00:48:45.000There's one of these dudes with a bat, goes over to the ATM thing and starts trying to hit it.
00:49:16.000The pallets of bricks just conveniently placed in all these random places?
00:49:18.000Bro, that's the same thing as saying like, I got video of it, that's the same thing as saying like, my homie's saying, yo Maj, look, I'm FaceTiming you, see this crate of guns in Chicago?
00:50:11.000I think, you know, again, I don't want to derail into COVID stuff.
00:50:14.000I'm like, look, man, if you tell me that there was a unsanitary market where they're like got all this really nasty stuff going on and then some like virus emerged from it, I'm going to be like, it's a simple solution, man.
00:50:24.000However, I do see the problem of the media in that You can have Trump come out and be like, here's a handful of studies that say this thing is a good thing, and then the media just says it's not.
00:50:33.000So the media doesn't get to be the arbiter of truth simply for saying it.
00:50:36.000So that was my point of reference to the bricks being lying around everywhere.
00:50:39.000All they did for the most part was say, oh it's actually not true because we were told it's not true.
00:50:42.000Right, and so I get flagged for stuff like, I posted what Ruth Bader Ginsburg said in regards to getting a nominee for SCOTUS during the last year of the thing.
00:51:12.000So when the Virginia Giuffre leaks came out about Epstein, I tweeted something to the effect of, Bill Clinton was in these flight logs, and now a witness has ID'd him as having been on the island.
00:51:32.000Somebody screenshotted it, posted it to Facebook, where this fact-checking company, which is only a couple guys apparently, but they get this access, called it fake, false information.
00:51:40.000And so when I went to the, I looked at it and it said, here's the fact check.
00:51:45.000The fact check said everything I claimed was 100% correct.
00:51:48.000Yet they still put the fake tag on it.
00:51:50.000Media, most effective devil in America.
00:51:53.000These are all, these are all reasons why when I go say things like the Breonna Taylor scenario, like COVID, like this, like that.
00:52:03.000The media, for a very long time, has been the arm of whatever political side of the government.
00:52:10.000So you get this part extreme, you get that part extreme.
00:52:13.000So when law enforcement says, oh, we knocked on the door.
00:52:18.000When law enforcement says, oh, it wasn't us that dropped the bomb in Philadelphia on a residential block.
00:53:56.000It's a serious ethical conundrum that I often think about is recognizing where the lines are in terms of when do we say people are too stupid or when do we say let them do whatever they want.
00:54:11.000When people were living very far apart and there were very few people, you have a bigger bubble of freedom.
00:54:18.000So one of the reasons I want to move out to the middle of nowhere, where we are now, is that I can go in my backyard and I can set up my archery practice and everything.
00:54:25.000I don't have to worry about neighbors because there's nothing around me.
00:54:28.000I watch these videos of people firing guns and they walk out into their open space and they've got the range set up with all the dirt and all that stuff and I'm like, you can't do that in a city.
00:54:36.000The closer you get to other people, the more your bubble starts shrinking and the amount of freedom you get starts shrinking.
00:54:41.000And it's because we're desperately trying to accommodate each other, and then you start stacking laws on top of laws.
00:54:47.000I think that's the problem, is people live too smashed together.
00:54:51.000So I do agree with that, in regards to... You have to be more... Woah, woah, sorry bro.
00:56:43.000Like, no, not, not a no-smoking zone, but like, no, in this whole building.
00:56:47.000Man, I remember this because this was going down in Chicago when I was like, I think I was late teens or like early twenties or it was like, I don't know.
00:56:53.000I remember how old I was, but it was very, it was like around the time Obama was running and stuff.
00:57:48.000You made a law that now, as a person that smokes cigars, I smoke cigars.
00:57:54.000If I smoke this cigar and don't put it out and then don't leave, you'll call a person with a gun to potentially come kill me for smoking the cigar.
00:58:06.000Well, it's because inhaling the smoke is... See, I disagree with you guys.
00:58:09.000I used to work at a bar, and I was economically bound to it.
00:58:13.000So when they couldn't smoke inside, I was able to breathe.
00:59:15.000I think that it's real because I immediately started a group chat with people that worked in the ER, paramedics, virologists, people that are way smarter than me saying, hey, what's going on?
01:01:52.000Now they on some like, hey man, and I'm like, yo, this is stupid, right?
01:01:56.000So what I did was, I was like, I don't wanna argue with y'all every time I get on a plane.
01:02:02.000And technically, even y'all took a lot of government bailout money, you technically are kind of a private entity, but you're not, but, I'm gonna go get a RV, and that's what I did.
01:02:13.000This is a really good discussion for, like, liberal versus libertarian.
01:02:17.000Not that libertarians are all, like—liberal typically refers to, like, a center-left.
01:02:22.000And the way I view it is, if—maybe if I had more faith in humanity, I would just stick to straight-up libertarian ideals.
01:02:30.000I think the mask is a good example of where we probably disagree.
01:02:44.000I view it kind of like being stealthy and being, you know, I don't want to say subversive, but stealthy, I guess is the easy way to put it.
01:03:41.000So, so if there's a... Compliance isn't wearing a mask.
01:03:47.000Compliance is, you know, non-compliance is Dr. King going like, because I'm pretty sure there was some people going, first of all, the mask thing isn't, this is a rerun.
01:03:58.000The anti-mask people happened back in the day with polio, especially like in Philly.
01:04:31.000Initially, the first person, you guys know that this, the guy that over in, what was it, Oxford, that was like, hey, this is how many people could die if we do nothing.
01:05:21.000But when you're talking about smoke, I want to go back to smoking.
01:05:23.000Because if we want to talk about government making laws for people and overreaching, I think this is a system where if one person wants to screw it up for everyone else, we have to make laws so that they can't.
01:05:34.000Because people are selfish and drugs are addictive.
01:11:03.000She's directly funded, I think, $2 billion straight into intersectional far-left organizations and stuff as well.
01:11:09.000I'm mentioning that because whenever the Soros name pops up, I'm like, oh, let's name all the billionaires.
01:11:14.000Let's name all the millionaires and the billionaires funding this stuff.
01:11:17.000It turns into, um, now this is the part where again, my hood friends would go like, come on bro.
01:11:24.000It's like, there's people that have generated resources from America that still feel like they have to knock down America where they actually live.
01:11:40.000Well, because I'm a billionaire and I may actually be a citizen of like Monaco.
01:12:48.000So yeah, and so some of that is, some of that is, listen, and this is where I might get a little, ooh, right?
01:12:54.000America has not atoned, our nation, where we all live, has not atoned for some of the horrible, disgusting stains that we have on our flag.
01:13:06.000Karma, in my view, in my life and lived experience, is real.
01:13:10.000We haven't acknowledged, you haven't even had the conversation about reparations with black people.
01:13:15.000You haven't had it and then you'll say, well, who's going to pay for it?
01:13:21.000Then you print up $3 trillion and the government gets really quiet and everybody seems to know how to get along.
01:13:30.000Then I was, except for my good friend, Thomas Massey, the one loan Constitutional libertarian dude that had to run Republican says no I'm not gonna quietly not vote on this largest wealth transfer in American history socialism so you haven't atoned for the vilest type of because all slavery has existed in in time immemorial but the Mafa
01:14:00.000The millions of melanated beings that were murdered that created the economic infrastructure of America, the place that we live, right, that I love, because I'm not one of those, like, slavery happened, burned down America.
01:14:21.000With this being the case, karmically, if you have not atoned for that, And your systemic issues that need correction are now being exploited by very resourceful people that don't have an actual stake in the country anymore.
01:14:41.000And now, instead of dealing with that, You wanna pretend like, oh, everything's cool, it's great here, you're not addressing those issues, and those, you got like, we ain't gotta go all the way back, we can talk about redlining, we can talk about this, we can talk about that.
01:14:58.000When you brought up reparations, I was ready to jump in, because I don't agree, but then you mentioned the printing three trillion, six trillion, and I'm like, I got no justification, dude.
01:15:06.000There's no print money, just throw it around.
01:15:12.000If Austrian economics and Mises and these guys, these really smart guys, are wrong, then okay, then why don't we just, we can solve all of this.
01:15:22.000Let's just print up 300 million dollars, since it's no issue with inflation and hyperinflation.
01:15:30.000And we can say, okay, we're going to give every American, as reparations, we're going to give one, we're going to give every American one million dollars.
01:15:37.000That would be like three trillion something.
01:17:32.000That's why Thomas Massie was like, nah bro.
01:17:34.000So, just to make sure I have it clear, you're basically dragging the government for just printing money like crazy.
01:17:41.000I'm dragging the government for being a, I'm dragging the American people that go into politics that don't understand that they're a public servant and
01:17:49.000this cornucopia of money that you think is what it is since you're throwing the money at that
01:17:54.000problem but you haven't thrown money at the community that has been affected and impacted most
01:17:59.000negatively by and anyone that disagrees with this you either don't read enough or you're just in
01:18:04.000The thing about slavery, we kind of talked about this a little bit ago, is that, what, 150 years ago, people were just dumped on the street with no education or money at all.
01:18:11.000And a lot of people are coming from, like, their great-great-grandfather had nothing, maybe didn't even speak the language very well.
01:18:18.000That's not the case for a lot of white, like, whatever you want to call it.
01:18:52.000And if we haven't, and if the system is still in alignment with those things, I can understand why somebody would be so damn frustrated, and then media highlights it, and is it as insane as media is making it?
01:19:05.000However, This is what you get and you have people that have that lived experience with law enforcement which is the physical representation of a system.
01:19:13.000That's what law enforcement officers are.
01:19:58.000Well, we can't give it to you guys, who clearly have been impacted by these policies that we as the government set up, but we can Section off 24, I got the 900 page thing.
01:20:10.000You can section off 24 million for us in Senate.
01:20:13.000Out of the air thin printed money, fiat currency.
01:20:19.000But here's what I'm saying, in terms of reparation, the way I describe it is, so I consider myself liberal, meaning I actually think social programs can be a good thing.
01:20:28.000I think, uh, the government, you know, we all, we all pitch in, uh, uh, taxes, do a subscription program, and then there can be social programs to benefit people in certain circumstances.
01:21:35.000America in general, when people go, well, when was America great?
01:21:38.000When one, we had very little international interference, right?
01:21:43.000When America, when Pittsburgh was making 30% of the world's steel, when, you know, factories, 30% of the world's steel, Pittsburgh Steelers, when, when, when, Black businesses, and I'm not saying this to, you know, ignore white families.
01:22:04.000I'm just talking about the black community because that's where I happen to live, right?
01:22:07.000When black communities, guys could work a job plumber.
01:22:35.000When corporate interests decide to put their profits over making America solid and making us an economic world power, The first, you know, center of the scope is the black community.
01:22:46.000The people that are doing that manual labor, you know, that can make a good wage.
01:23:36.000The founder of BET is not the owner of BET anymore.
01:23:40.000So my point in saying that is, this is all, holistic approach and now what we're seeing in some of these you're seeing the frustration of people that a have been made to feel like they're outside of the american dream there have been policies and systemic issues that have deliberately made that the case now do you have to submit to it absolutely not i don't i don't care what they meant the second amendment for it is mine
01:24:21.000And so these are the things because your course of re-education or your re-engineering of self is different and it's tied into the human right.
01:24:30.000At to defend as opposed to what a government said I got it now when you're tying it back to all of these It's not all of these.
01:24:37.000It's a few people defending the riots that are not from the communities.
01:24:41.000Yes, it's it's it's a it's a a well-oiled machine Pretending and piggybacking on the back of legitimate legitimate social issues.
01:24:52.000I'm not talking about like Oh, like, you know, I'm getting treated horribly because they didn't, like, like me.
01:25:00.000I'm talking about, like, school choice is real.
01:25:05.000Like, when you're talking about discrimination based on skin tone and bias, those are real things that we can show evidence and fact and prove.
01:25:16.000So when you're not from that demographic and you don't feel that, And you don't do anything.
01:25:21.000Our nation, for the most part, has not atoned in these communities.
01:25:26.000And atonement doesn't just mean an apology.
01:25:59.000And doesn't have the same resources, the same access.
01:26:01.000So like Ian brought up, a grandfather, you know, a guy is a slave, he gets freed, he has kids, they have nothing to transfer down to each other.
01:26:10.000And so that's why I lean liberal on a lot of issues, like, can we teach people to fish, and then make sure we fix the system?
01:26:17.000Now, yes, and agreed, but here's the other part to that example you just gave.
01:26:22.000Then, a group of people decide to say, you know what guys, we were doing the same thing, we can just do what we all were doing on that plantation for our own neighborhood.
01:26:31.000And then over time, that neighborhood starts to become independent.
01:26:34.000And it starts to actually, that other side of the tracks, literally, is Tulsa.
01:26:57.000You know, I had a brief stint as a Democrat when I voted for Obama and then felt disillusioned because it was like it was war all over again.
01:27:05.000I don't much care for the Republican Party.
01:27:08.000I think Donald Trump has done enough, some good things, anti-war, peace deals, pulling our troops back, that I'm happy with.
01:27:14.000But I really do feel like it's been the Democratic Party the entire time.
01:27:27.000Because when you say Black Lives Matter wants to destroy the family, I'm like, they're keeping up the legacy of destroying minority communities.
01:28:23.000If you donate to Black Lives Matter, a portion of your donation goes to ActBlue.
01:28:26.000And if Black Lives Matter doesn't claim the donation properly under some circumstances, ActBlue keeps it, which funds the Democrats' fundraising infrastructure.
01:28:35.000So it's not going to Joe Biden, but it is providing the Democratic Party a fundraising arm.
01:29:12.000And so when I see, you know, when I see what was one factor in my success in getting away and moving out, and I'm not saying everybody there is doing bad, I mean some middle class living, but a lot of people, like I know a couple people who OD'd and one person who I knew when I was younger is dead from an overdose.
01:29:37.000But when I see Black Lives Matter say they want to disrupt the nuclear family, I'm saying, you're convincing white suburban people to donate to an organization that's actively hurting black communities by doing that.
01:29:47.000And then say, there's no systemic racism.
01:29:56.000She came out in support for Donald Trump.
01:29:58.000She said, if you're voting for Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, these are the people who have been in government for decades who literally created the systemic racism.
01:30:10.000The fact that they could trick is the movie um I think it was I forget which movie it was but the quote was the biggest trick that the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist yeah and it's the same concept it's no no no we like Kamala's wearing Timberlands getting off the plane so she's clearly cool she's clearly down for the cause this is the same woman that Didn't want to let non-violent cannabis guys that were locked up for weed, not let them out of jail because California needed free slave labor.
01:30:45.000She wanted to pay him a dollar an hour to put out wildfires.
01:31:32.000I love military tactics, but I hate war.
01:31:34.000of it and two we at war and if you emotional in the middle of a war that's
01:31:39.000how you got your head blown I love military tactics but I hate war right so
01:31:43.000so what do you think about Donald Trump um I like him on so I don't I don't
01:31:51.000really think about Donald Trump so so do you What about the Republicans?
01:31:56.000Some of them are cool, most of them are rhinos.
01:32:00.000I don't think that they know what... They're statists.
01:32:03.000I don't think that a lot of them know what...
01:32:06.000I don't think that they know that this is a republic.
01:32:10.000I don't think that they know that the smallest republic is the individual.
01:32:14.000I don't think that they like their constituents.
01:32:18.000I think my man Larry Sharp came to the Solutionary Summit.
01:32:22.000He said, most politicians actually hate you.
01:32:26.000Because they see you as, like, in the way of their aims.
01:32:31.000That's why they jump from the public to private sector, make the rule this so I can jump back into private sector and benefit from the rule.
01:32:41.000These politicians, and not all of them, there's a handful that are good, a handful of them are Republicans, but it's like eight.
01:32:47.000I basically use that number because there were eight people who sided with Trump on withdrawing the troops, eight Republicans and three Democrats, and I'm like, all right, y'all are cool.
01:32:54.000Not completely, because there's probably things I disagree with, but you have very, very few of these people, and the rest of them, they just want the keys to the castle.
01:34:02.000But that means the reason why the term limits They're able to pull off a lot of this beautiful ugly and be there for 50 years, Joe Biden, and not do anything is because the people are not educated about what makes a good public servant.
01:34:16.000Hence, systematically taking civics and social studies out of schools.
01:35:06.000And I would trust somebody like her in that seat that wants to protect children, that wants to push actual conservative values, and serve the people of Atlanta, right?
01:35:52.000Now, you'll do a job, and I'm like, bro, not only did you get the clog out, he showed me, like, in two months, you're gonna have a clog in this one.
01:35:59.000You don't have to hire me now, but let me tell you why.
01:36:02.000And two months later, if I get the clog, I'm like, this guy was on it, right?
01:36:52.000But the difference of the plumber is that after the guy fixes the clog, then his job is to go out on the street and represent you to the neighborhood.
01:39:20.000Right, Obama's like a guy who would go out on the street, everyone loves him, so they're like, oh, you have a great guy out on the street, but he can't fix the leak.
01:39:33.000Obama was the guy who walked up to your front door with a smile on his face, and he was like, hey, and he winks, and you're like, oh, this guy's so amazing, he's like, I'm gonna go make you all look good.
01:39:41.000Walked to the rich people's houses and winked at him, and then walked over to the poor house and started smacking people and kicking them around, and that was his foreign policy.
01:39:49.000And then he comes and he says at your house, he's like, I'll tell you what, I look great, and I can snatch up your kids in the middle of the night and rendition them on an offshore oil rig, you'll never hear from him again.
01:39:57.000That's the National Defense Authorization Act indefinite detention provision.
01:40:01.000So, I hear exactly what you're saying, dude.
01:41:20.000With this being the case, those parts, if you're being objective, that's how I view it.
01:41:24.000But I also am a one-issue voter, and I cannot ignore the fact that he has been weak on the Second Amendment.
01:41:31.000I was in the front row at the NRA annual meetings when he first was elected, and he was the first sitting president to address an NRA convention.
01:41:40.000I was literally in the front row when he said, The eight-year assault on your Second Amendment rights is coming to a crashing halt.
01:41:48.000That doesn't mesh with, and again, I'm not attacking them, I'm not, this is the plumber.
01:41:54.000You can't say that and then say, take the guns first, due process later.
01:42:00.000That is not something that I want to hear from my Commander-in-Chief.
01:42:04.000That is not what our nation needs to hear.
01:42:06.000I think that what happens is because we have become so complacent with this two-party system, That everybody gets barbecued up on July the 4th, but George Washington and the boys literally were like, do not do a party system.
01:42:20.000So I think now, this is the time that we should be looking into strengthening a third party.
01:42:25.000Have you ever read the original Second Amendment?
01:42:30.000I didn't know about this until I actually looked up the Bill of Rights, and I forgot what segment we were talking about, and there was originally 17 articles proposed.
01:42:39.000It was because there were a lot of people who were scared of a strong federal government, like basically oppressive.
01:42:44.000So they said, okay, we'll take these 17 things.
01:42:47.000A bunch of them didn't make it, but the original Second Amendment was very clear that... I'm probably gonna get this wrong, so, you know, the gunners out there, super chat, correct me if I'm getting it wrong, but it basically said something like, It says, you know, a well-regulated militia being, you know, necessary for a free state.
01:43:03.000The right to keep and bear arms should not be restricted.
01:43:05.000And it said, basically, if somebody doesn't want to join, you know, military service in any way, doesn't mean they can't own a gun.
01:43:12.000I'm like, why did you get rid of that part?
01:43:15.000I think it was because the language banned conscription.
01:43:40.000The Bill of Rights was the double down to say, hey guys, remember, these are things not granted by government, nor can government take them away.
01:43:48.000Like, just in case in a hundred years everybody gets stupid, these list of things, your right to express yourself and then the right to defend what you just said, is not granted by government, it's not taken away.
01:44:01.000They just did a good job of studying governments prior to and codifying human nature and natural law.
01:44:09.000Thomas Paine, John Locke, those dudes were somewhere else.
01:44:14.000You know, I liken them, they're not singers to my knowledge, but when you hear Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen,
01:44:23.000Freddie Mercury was somewhere else to write those changeovers,
01:44:28.000and that, like, he was somewhere else.
01:44:29.000You're saying, like, it was profound, like, so good.
01:44:31.000They must have been... Somewhere else.
01:45:11.000And they tied it into a moral compass feeling thing and to double down and say, hey, we're going to make this extra list.
01:45:19.000So we remember that we're making this stuff to like check government.
01:45:24.000So when we talk about what's a bootlicker, what's a statist, these are the people that think that this is for the government to tell us what to do, not us to put the government on timeout if they start reaching too much.
01:46:23.000This is why in 2022, I'm like 98% gonna just go beyond my planet and do my thing.
01:46:31.000I believe that Americans, and this hurts to say, I believe that Americans are too soft, they're too marshmallow, and we don't want to do what's necessary.
01:46:40.000When Obama got elected, I remember he was anti-war, and I was anti-war, and there was a building anti-war movement.
01:46:46.000Then he got elected, and there was no more movement.
01:47:04.000Then she started getting funded by insurance, and that conversation stopped.
01:47:09.000At a certain point, you gotta look at what your legacy is.
01:47:14.000To me, if I went hard left or hard right, oh man, I'd have a TV show, I'm charismatic, I'm handsome, I'm reasonably smart, If I picked a side as opposed to being balanced and objective, like even in the chat, there's going to be, as you guys scroll through this, there's going to be people that are saying I'm insane, I'm a terrorist, I'm one of those black power dudes.
01:47:41.000Then there's going to be people going, he's a patriot, depending on what I'm talking about.
01:47:44.000I'm looking at right here, people being like, this guy's awful.
01:47:47.000And another guy being like, dude, I was cheering.
01:47:56.000It's the gray area that is what most of us actually are.
01:48:02.000But we've been forced into picking one of these sides, and then we keep, again, July 4th reference, we keep going, America, America, America, but the founding fathers that we say that we support, we don't even have a conversation about Thomas Paine, who shaped the minds of like damn near all of those guys.
01:48:19.000And so when you have someone such as myself or other people that show up that are in those gray areas and saying, I agree here, I disagree here.
01:48:26.000I'm feeling this, I'm not feeling that.
01:48:28.000Those people get vilified, ridiculed on this side, depending on the conversation, and heralded and celebrated on this side, depending on the conversation.
01:48:37.000And it switches, and it ebbs and flows.
01:48:48.000I know that there's some people who are saying in the chat that they're not a fan of you, and they're being a little bit more rude than that.
01:48:53.000A lot of people are digging it, and they're saying they're stoked that you're here.
01:48:55.000I thought we're having a great conversation.
01:48:58.000I disagree with you on a lot of things, but it's cool.
01:49:35.000I mean, I kind of feel like as long as we can have a sane, rational conversation, and we agree on certain things and disagree on others, we agree that America is great, let's make sure it works and works for everybody and figure out how to fix it, then we'll talk about it.
01:49:50.000What they're disagreeing with is my honesty about our nation's stains on the flag.
01:49:55.000I think they disagree with you on whether those actually are stains, whether... Before we go to Super Chess, what about... Slavery's not a stain?
01:50:02.000By talking about reparations and stuff.
01:50:04.000Yeah, what about this idea for reparations?
01:50:05.000Because you need to teach people to fish, so we have like school choices on the horizon, where you can give people the opportunity, a lot of it, we barely even got into that.
01:50:12.000But while they're learning to fish, you still need to give them fish so they don't starve while they're learning.
01:50:54.000He was like, he says thank you to Tim Pool.
01:50:57.000He said that he's working hard, he's succeeding now.
01:51:01.000He realized that everything that was really good was good under Trump, and he's worried about what happens if Biden gets elected.
01:51:06.000He says, I appreciate you for the kind that you do, and helping people realize what's going on.
01:51:11.000But there's a lot of portions in it where he says things like, to him, Trump is the hope.
01:51:15.000He saw how his life was doing better and better under Trump, and that the Democrats never did anything for him, and now he's worried what's going to happen.
01:51:27.000He gained like he's got like 5,000 subs now on YouTube from this one video He's like a truck driver So I commented I was like dude you proven the American dream is real man working hard succeeding.
01:51:37.000I I agree with that I don't think that it some people get off of drugs and blame it or not blame it But they attribute it to like Jesus because they went to church right you can attribute it to whatever you want you did the work and So, so, I'm not saying that, not to say like, Tim, you didn't do anything, you didn't help this guy's life.
01:51:58.000What I mean by that is, when he's talking about Trump, Trump created a space where a policy, this is what a politician's supposed to do, the policies, economically, more specifically, are supposed to benefit the American people.
01:52:10.000If I can cut some of that red tape out and you see more of that bread come stay in your wallet, Absolutely.
01:52:15.000You're going to be like, yo, again, me, I'm going like, yeah, bro, there's a trickle down there because some of that red tape is cut.
01:52:22.000If you're not going to be honest about that, we can't even have a conversation.
01:52:26.000You can yell at me about what he said and how the media spun it.
01:52:34.000When my friend gets a presidential pardon, which is like a unicorn, Right?
01:52:41.000When my friend gets a presidential pardon for non-violent offenses that she's going to be able to lawfully purchase and defend her life with firearms now, I have to acknowledge that.
01:52:51.000So yeah, in that regard, but I want people to make sure that we're not just tying it to one administration.
01:52:58.000Now he has to, since he has that and he has a taste of that, He has to make sure that he's doing everything in his power to empower the next person like you did for him, like President Trump, that he might run, that guy should run for office.
01:53:11.000That's the blue collar dude that we need in those type of local seats.
01:53:16.000So we got a question here from Alex Ray says, Tim, don't hate me for this, but I heard Vosh say that most of the deaths during the protest weren't committed by protesters.
01:53:24.000That most of the victims were actually protesters, is that true?
01:54:05.000It was a pawn shop burned down and they found a corpse like a month later.
01:54:08.000So yeah, a lot of people died, and I don't care if you're a cop, I don't care if you're a criminal, I don't care if you're a protester, I don't care if you're an innocent person.
01:54:18.000Look, people who go out and do dumb things and riot, I don't want them to die, man.
01:54:23.000I want them to learn and do better, and I want to figure out how we work together.
01:54:27.000But I think when people start calling for death, they feel like they're justified, that's when it's like, dude, we can't solve our problems if it's all we're doing.
01:54:45.000It's like an unavoidable symptom of sending all of our jobs, a portion of our labor force overseas, and locking people into their houses and making them lose their jobs.
01:54:56.000And you feel like that person may start, it's easier for that person to feel like they don't have purpose.
01:55:03.000If that person doesn't feel like they have purpose, and if they can ID it with, okay, my life is crashing down around me, especially if they can't see, A, a way out, and B, what policies made that happen and what party or person enacted that, that person starts to lash out.
01:55:24.000And that person feels, like you said, disillusioned and separated from that American dream at that point.
01:55:29.000As opposed to this guy, Gary, who's like, Man, Tim, you just told me something that makes absolute sense to me.
01:55:38.000And tying in with this, that person now feels that purpose.
01:55:43.000And we just got to drive people that way.
01:55:45.000He says, Tim, in your first video today, you mentioned how police need to demilitarize.
01:55:49.000What offensive military equipment do they use?
01:55:52.000All the military gear they have is to protect their lives.
01:55:56.000Well, you added the word offensive military equipment.
01:55:59.000I'm not entirely sure, you know, if that, if I said offensive, I was specifically talking about like APCs, MRAPs, you know, multiple, like, multi-unit, multi-city forces joining together.
01:56:12.000I think the way I described it in terms of militarization is escalation.
01:56:18.000When the cops start coming out in full tactical gear that looks like they're an army, and they've got long guns, and they're riding on the side of armored personnel carriers with LRADs on top, or maybe we'll get to that point where some cops in D.C.
01:56:34.000apparently wanted active denial systems, which is directed energy weapons.
01:56:37.000Migrates your skin, makes you feel like you're on fire.
01:56:40.000If they start taking, you know, normal weapons like this, it's escalation.
01:56:43.000Now, I'm not saying I know what the solution is.
01:56:46.000I'm just saying, I think we've put too much extra resources into ridiculous things like, you gotta see these vehicles of these gigantic, what are they called?
01:57:22.000The cops come out with a sniper rifle because you got a hostage situation and they want to try and get the sniper and take out the sniper and then the hostages start showing up with snipers of their own in their own windows, you know what I mean?
01:58:00.000He's got, like, a beautiful, like, his daughter, Tactical Trinity, they used to shoot together, and Not-So-Tactical Trinity, and he's got a, like, a newborn baby, and stuff like that.
01:58:09.000You know, and his lady, the family, he's a cop, he's law enforcement, SWAT, all of the stuff.
01:58:20.000But unfortunately, a lot of guys, in my experience, do not de-escalate.
01:58:24.000So to Tim's point, that escalation is there.
01:58:27.000Now, I don't think that there's a special type of human that happens to be law enforcement.
01:58:33.000So if law enforcement and the military has it, the American people should have it.
01:58:39.000Just like if, okay, instead of there being two political parties that are like more interested in their side winning, more so than what's better for America as a whole and your individual rights.
01:58:53.000Stop letting it be a duopoly monopoly.
01:58:55.000It's just, it's the two-party system is a result of like a natural tendency between people and then the system creates this, you know, like the natural one-person, one-vote system results in a two-party system.
01:59:11.000So I'm gonna pull up this harsh criticism because I think there's a lot of people who, uh... It's, it's, it's... There's a decent percentage of people who are disliking and have criticism, and I think it's important to highlight.
02:00:05.000So let's go back to the reparations thing, because I'm pretty sure, based on Mike, if I had to bet money, it's either reparations or me being critical of American history, right?
02:00:16.000I haven't said anything about, what I said in regards to reparation was the contradiction.
02:00:20.000On one hand, we're not allowed to have a conversation about reparations for black people, people that identify as African American, right?
02:00:28.000But on the other hand, we have given reparations to Jewish people.
02:00:32.000We have given reparations to indigenous people, Native Americans.
02:00:36.000We, as a nation, we, we, have given reparations to these scenarios but we and the argument when it comes to black people is well who's going to pay for it but very recently we just printed up three trillion dollars
02:00:55.000That didn't get back to the American people by and large, right?
02:00:59.000So, to me, I'm talking about exposing a contradiction.
02:01:02.000I'm not saying I'm for or against reparations.
02:01:05.000I'm talking about your reason for saying why you can't is a clear contradiction.
02:01:09.000So, I think that's what a lot of people think you're saying, like you're legitimately for it.
02:01:13.000But we do have another comment here from Garhant.
02:01:15.000He said, 600,000 people died to end slavery.
02:02:06.000So we're talking about American history, which our nation is very, very young.
02:02:11.000So my ability to assess from a global perspective and a currently where we live at perspective, just because you don't like the facts of the matter doesn't mean that I'm disillusioned.
02:02:21.000You don't like the fact that I'm saying it.
02:03:15.000So, I think what people don't like is their cognitive, their feels get a little bit, when this dude that's American as fuck, I beep that out, right?
02:03:27.000When that dude, when that dude that's black that literally has a come and take it shirt on under here, right?
02:03:37.000It says come and take it with graffiti all over it and all this AR, SBR.
02:03:42.000If I'm saying that as a melanated American, American, that is identifying our nation's good and bad and being honest about it, if that makes you feel some type of way, you may not be being intellectually honest.
02:03:57.000Someone tell me, all these guys that are saying this, Tell me what the economic infrastructure of America was created on.
02:04:08.000Here's the real difficult thing with the way YouTube algorithm works, right?
02:04:13.000I think I've had a lot of people on the show that I really disagree with, and we find things we agree on, and sometimes we don't, and I'll just be like, well, I disagree with you, and I'll say it.
02:04:34.000But it makes it really hard because if you think that we shouldn't at least hear what you have to say or other people who disagree have to say then it's just gonna fall into tribal extremism again.
02:08:27.000So when people are having these conversations or saying these things, you're just exposing to me how much you're not paying attention to the numbers and the short timeline.
02:08:38.000We just, because we're like 50, 60, 70 years old, we think that that's, it is a long time, but in a bigger picture and scheme of things, like in 1965, Like, people, black people couldn't drink at water fountains.
02:08:53.000Like, that's like... Well, they had their own water fountains.
02:08:56.000And Black Lives Matter is trying to make that happen, sort of, again.
02:09:00.000But my thing to that is, like, this, having a contextual conversation, it's like, let's reverse it.
02:09:07.000I'll say something that some of those guys that may disagree with me will agree with me now.
02:09:13.000Why are you calling President Trump a racist?
02:09:41.000So when we're talking about the left calling him a racist, wherever you stand on him, I need to see the evidence and the proof of that.
02:09:50.000I think he's a blowhard capitalist, and a lot of times the class issue starts to converge with the race issue because a lot of the ex-slaves and their families are of the lower class because they came from less money.
02:10:09.000I mean, those people that are there... I just want to make sure I give space to those who are saying they're unhappy and make sure we challenge our ideas.
02:10:16.000Their arguments that they disagree with me are always generally very general.
02:11:04.000And I think if you think they're wrong and they think you're wrong, I mean, isn't it cool that we're having a conversation and we say, hey, we're Americans, you think we're wrong?
02:11:16.000When I'm wrong and it's proven, I'll go, oh man, I was wrong.
02:11:21.000I think what we need is just to have the conversation.
02:11:23.000And it's hard to do in a medium where a lot of these people who want to have their voice heard, it's like, I can only read a handful of the comments.
02:11:28.000But once we get the neural net, no, I'm just kidding.
02:11:30.000Then they'll be like virtually here and we'll be like, yo, dude, listen, I'm all about listening to everybody.
02:11:36.000I'd love to have Antifa, you know, come in and say other things.
02:11:39.000And we'd have a crazy argument or whatever.
02:11:42.000So I should qualify what I said because I did come off a little bit harsh and I don't mean to condescend at the chat.
02:11:48.000I would say to the people who do disagree that this is the perfect opportunity to kind of polish your own thinking and be like, okay, why do I disagree with this?
02:11:56.000What are some ways that I can kind of Or just super chat and I'll read it.
02:12:20.000So the question they're asking is like, I think it pertains to the space race where we as a country were like, we're going to the moon, baby.
02:12:26.000Should we as a country be like, here's our mission.
02:12:28.000Here's what we as a country should do.
02:12:30.000These cool things go to Mars, you know, mine asteroids, you know, build underwater cities or something.
02:12:37.000So I think before we do that, I think that a national goal would be to, um, Start the conversation and apply legislation or remove legislation that is an impediment to us being what our ideals say we are.
02:12:56.000So for example, if we can prove that the origin of cannabis, to go back to that decriminalization, was this guy saying, I think that Cannabis, or marijuana is what he said, makes white women want to sleep with Negro jazz musicians.
02:13:16.000If that was his basis, and then that basis turned into policy, you took a moral position.
02:13:22.000I think he was trying to manipulate people.
02:14:17.000It means you're focusing on men and not women.
02:14:20.000All of the people around me that give quality, uh, not all, but a lot of the people around me to give quality, uh, counsel are women.
02:14:27.000I think, I think there's interesting, interesting context in, uh, I don't think it's a simple, I'm not trying to accuse you of saying this, that like we just told women they couldn't vote.
02:14:42.000And everybody says, like, wow, that's so ridiculous and oppressive, and they don't actually understand the context.
02:14:47.000And then someone made a really good point, I saw this on Twitter, they said, there were no IDs, there was no way to prove who you were, land ownership was the only way anyone knew you were a member of the community and were voting on issues relative to literally where you lived.
02:15:00.000The reason the men voted and the women didn't is because the man was the head of the household who would go to the meetings while the woman was taking care of things, and it was assumed the man and the woman's vote was combined, right?
02:15:10.000And so you actually had young men going to war and dying.
02:15:14.000You actually had young men who also could not vote because they weren't landowners either, but they still had to die for the country and were conscripted into other, like volunteer fire brigade and stuff like that.
02:15:22.000Now those are the things that are the contradictions that, to highlight that, Because it's not simple.
02:15:28.000It's not like this one user-friendly, one-size-fit-all answer.
02:15:32.000No, just men were evil and they hated women.
02:15:51.000We had bigger cities, not everybody was owning land, but now we had IDs, we understood who was a member of the community, why they should vote, system changed.
02:15:59.000And all of these things are why I'm saying when we're talking about atoning, and readdressing, and self-correcting, and course-correcting, these are things that are very important.
02:16:08.000And when we're not doing that, again, at a certain point, it was malicious.
02:16:12.000Yo, you're black, you can't own a gun, that is the origin of gun control in America.
02:17:09.000But what I'm saying is there's layers and gradation to all of these things.
02:17:13.000And I think, I don't want any of the people, especially the folks in the super chat to feel like I'm saying like, No, this happened, and America's evil.
02:20:34.000If I'm the black dude that's using the thing, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, during a time when black people in America were treated subhuman, if that's the thing that I'm using as the framework as we travel around the entire country to empower communities to stand up to they self, I don't know how anybody on earth would potentially think that I'm like asking for victimhood.
02:20:57.000Talking about what happened and being honest about it So as to not repeat it?
02:21:05.000I don't want my Latin brothers and sisters, my Asian brothers and sisters to not pretend like their lineage didn't have a strong hand in building this country.
02:21:13.000That's actually the beautiful thing about America.
02:21:38.000If you're having an emotional reaction to that, to history, You're no different than the leftists that are saying, we got to tear down the statues because we don't like it.
02:21:48.000You know, I kind of feel like, I think a lot of people are making the assumption you're saying straight up, we have to have reparations.
02:22:36.000Yeah, yeah Anytime my Twitter's Maj2Ray M-A-J-T-O-U-R-E I got five phones, so I'm I'm pretty a lot of phones, bro.
02:22:46.000Yeah walk around with this Hot spot yeah, you know I mean Twitter Instagram M-A-J-T-O-U-R-E And I'll show you you know follow me.
02:22:55.000I'll go back and forth I try to follow everybody that follows me up until whatever whatever platforms limit is I'll show you how you're wrong Um, if you're right, I'll go, man, you were right there.
02:23:28.000I am absolutely in opposition to Black Lives Matter.
02:23:33.000That current structure and the quote-unquote leadership of Black Lives Matter, I unequivocally denounce and disagree with that.
02:23:40.000I know that there's a guy behind the curtain, and it's not the people that they're putting in front of the curtain.
02:23:48.000And even if it was the same people that's behind the curtain that's in front of it, the policy's wrong.
02:23:52.000I don't care about something that's going to be damaging to the black community and supporting it just because it's black people saying it.
02:24:10.000So I think people also got to understand that we go into the areas that are most impacted by these left democratic policies.
02:24:18.000Mainly in regards to the second amendment and convincing black people that you know that Constitution ain't for you Something like that and empowering people that way we fundraise we've raised and given away over $360,000 to keep these classes free Talk about voluntarism and doing a social thing, right?
02:25:05.000So it's not like this, we're the welfare, keeping you on and just keep listening to Black Guns Matter.
02:25:10.000You're supposed to continue up the pyramid, right?
02:25:13.000So I think people may not know that part, you know, as well as I think people don't know that I am vehemently opposed to government involvement and support.
02:25:23.000I think that philanthropy and really rich people going, man, that community's been impacted.
02:25:33.000That's bigger to me than the government going, vote the way that we tell you to vote, and we're gonna give you, like, free Obama phones, and we're gonna make sure that you have, like, $1,100.
02:25:43.000Like, what am I gonna do with $1,100, bro?
02:26:14.000We had another super chat from a guy who pointed out, and he gave us a, it was a pretty good super chat, I want to make sure I get his name, give him credit.
02:26:21.000He said, YouTube's giving me the business, Royal Raptor says, this guy says, prove it, with only super chats and a 270 character max, think about it like this, how long does it take to poop on the floor versus how long does it take to clean it up?
02:26:32.000Your statements, as empty as your grammar.
02:26:47.000Because the question was, if I'm saying that America is our nation, our nation, where I live and love, Our nation's economy was built on the backs of melanated beings, whether that's yellow people with the railroads, that's how resources are moved, right?
02:27:06.000Whether that's black people, cotton, industries, all of those, textile manufacturing, all of that, right?
02:27:10.000I'm saying that, and I'm asking someone to tell me, no, America's economy was created by this.
02:27:16.000I think people just need to tweet at you, you know?
02:27:19.000Because then you can argue with them all day, you know what I mean?
02:28:35.000So there's a few amount of people that control the economic infrastructure or choices that go into the social, political and economic landscape of America.
02:28:46.000So when you make this argument that only a few people owned a lot of the resources.
02:28:52.000That doesn't change the fact that the entire structure was around those few people that did wrong.
02:28:58.000And now, this does not mean... It sprawls.
02:29:24.000Like, Harper's Ferry, bro, like, come on, like, we not, we, I'm down with Bacon's Rebellion, I understand it.
02:29:32.000So I'm not saying that all of you white people are just like, come on, bro, like, that's, that's really reductive.
02:29:39.000But that does not change the fact that a small amount of people can influence the resources and change the structure of an entire nation and sometimes an entire globe.
02:29:53.000Like, how many, like, Rome, like, Augustus, Julius Caesar.
02:29:59.000Like, these guys changed Julius and Augustus changed the calendar.
02:31:20.000But the difference for me is I actually am in alignment with, I can be honest about our nation's history while still trying to improve our nation's future.
02:31:29.000I think George Washington had a bunch of slaves.
02:31:31.000Thomas Jefferson had a bunch of slaves.
02:31:33.000And I don't think those guys could have got done what they got done without them.
02:31:37.000That's why Thomas Paine was pulling... It's conjecture, I don't know, but... Thomas Paine was... Because Thomas Paine didn't... That's why you don't hear about Thomas Paine as much.
02:31:46.000This dude is a... Freddie Mercury, somewhere else, was basically... Because the argument becomes, well, that was what happened during that time.
02:31:55.000This was a dude, during that time, that influenced the mind in regards to liberty of a lot of the Founding Fathers.
02:32:03.000That was one of those dudes that was like pissing people off because he wouldn't stay on one side.
02:32:08.000He was objective, he was a critical thinker, he was very logical, and he assessed things situation by situation.
02:32:14.000He was honest, even in the midst of when it was not convenient and popular to be honest.
02:32:19.000So he didn't have as many friends, but they all pulled from his ideas in regards to liberty.
02:32:24.000So when you have that, I understand completely.
02:32:27.000If I'm saying, cause this is the same guy that was like, bro, y'all are talking about freedom and you can't like own people.
02:33:02.000I think the easiest way to put it, I can't read every single super chat, but they are pouring in.
02:33:07.000And there's a ton of people saying, like, this is awesome.
02:33:09.000A ton of people saying, like, this guy is so wrong.
02:33:12.000So the reason I'm trying to highlight a lot of the criticism is because I think we're having a conversation and we're giving you your space, and everyone who agrees is just going along with it, and the people who disagree aren't getting their voice to counter and challenge.
02:33:24.000And so a lot of people are trying to bring these things up.
02:33:34.000But someone brought up a really good point to have you sit down and bring out like a black conservative and then have a bigger conversation so that we have more people challenging.
02:34:43.000So, you guys in Super Chat that, you know, want to see something different, who do you think would be a good person we could bring here and then you guys could have a debate?
02:38:49.000We gotta make sure that... Absolutely.
02:38:50.000We gotta make sure... Because I'll tell you this, man, if you're coming out this strong and you're saying these things about Brandon, well, you're putting him down before he even got started.
02:39:07.000I think that he's not well-versed enough.
02:39:11.000I think he knows the black conservative talking points.
02:39:15.000I think that anyone that attempts to It's a contradiction.
02:39:21.000If we say we're Christian, if he identifies as Christian, and you're not willing to give someone redemption, and you think that they, you know, should be killed because they happen to look in a construction site, or you think that, you know, they're guilty because of the way that they look, or so forth and so on, I think that is a contradiction to the belief in redemption.
02:41:12.000So because I'm doing that in every area, moment to moment, reminiscent of a Thomas Paine, I can't say I want to continue to evolve as a thinker, as a philosopher, as an activist, as a constitutionalist.
02:41:26.000I can't say that and ignore the evolution of our great thinkers.
02:41:29.000You can't ignore the evolution of a Malcolm X. They went from a straight-up criminal to like mad and frustrated and came home and hated white
02:41:37.000people, goes to Mecca, comes back and goes, hey man, I was wrong about that part. I'm not wrong about
02:41:42.000the fact that there are serious issues that black people in America are facing at that time
02:41:46.000especially. So you can't ignore his evolution like and just go, oh he's all bad.
02:41:53.000You cannot do that if you're being objective about things.
02:41:56.000And if I was to do that in that spirit and not be objective about every such scenario.
02:42:02.000So again, Breonna Taylor, I understand fully why the two officers that shot back after being shot at We're not charged.
02:42:11.000I fully understand why the one officer that shot more recklessly has been charged and he's looking at five years.
02:42:17.000I fully understand why Kenneth Walker went, I don't care if you're knocking or not, I don't have to answer my door.
02:42:23.000If you bust into my house, I'm going to be able to defend my house.
02:43:02.000So those layers of objectivity is the thing that most people have a difficult time taking in because if you've positioned yourself as hardline, I can tell you where I agree and disagree with Colin Kaepernick.
02:43:16.000I can tell you where I agree and disagree with President Trump.
02:47:48.000So guys, outside of if you agree with me or disagree with me on some of these issues, We all, generally, if you don't agree with this, I don't really know what to say for you.
02:47:57.000Urban America really, really needs more conflict resolution, more political education, and more firearms safety training.
02:48:07.000That's what we do at Black Guns Matter.
02:48:09.000This entire tour has been funded by the people.
02:48:14.000If you agree, if you disagree, we all can say that we need safer communities and we need guys and women that have the ability to defend themselves from weirdos, rapists, and all that other type of stuff.
02:48:26.000So our efforts is we do have a GoFundMe page.
02:48:29.000It's GoFundMe.com forward slash Black Guns Matter.
02:48:32.000Every single penny has been transparent.
02:48:35.000Every single penny has went to, in 2018 I think we did like 50 cities.
02:48:41.000We got an RV now so we can stay in cities like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans.
02:49:16.000If you can, if you agree with that, if you got 20 bucks, if you a really, really rich dude and wanna just knock out the rest of the million dollar goal, donate 600 and some odd thousand dollars, great, just don't, do it.
02:49:26.000If you got six bucks, if you got 20 bucks, I don't care, man.
02:49:29.000This type of information, that part should not be political.
02:49:32.000That part should be people having the constitutional and human right to defend themselves from weirdos.
02:49:39.000So, you know, hopefully you guys have been engaged.
02:49:41.000Gofundme.com forward slash Black Guns Matter.
02:50:28.000To everybody in the chat who had a good time and super chatted, really, really do appreciate it.
02:50:32.000And everyone who disagreed, let me know what you want to see so we could do a better job.
02:50:37.000I want to hear your criticism and I want to make sure that we're doing a show that actually gets to the core of these issues and doesn't leave anybody hanging feeling like they're not getting the right information or they're not being heard.
02:50:47.000And definitely, if I'm getting things wrong, I corrected myself like three times on the Brandon Taylor thing.