Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Clinton Lawyer NOT GUILTY In Russia Hoax Trial, Trump Is PISSED w- Brandon Straka

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00:00:49.000 so Michael Sussman former Clinton campaign lawyers not guilty

00:01:06.000 Not guilty of lying to the FBI.

00:01:08.000 And already we're seeing a lot of liberals say that the whole Russiagate hoax narrative is fake news.

00:01:14.000 Because all of these journalists who wrote that Donald Trump was colluding with Russia, well, they've got Pulitzers.

00:01:19.000 That the convictions in the Russiagate investigation, well, they've all stood up to the test of time.

00:01:24.000 But the Durham probe, nothing so far.

00:01:27.000 Well, actually, what we learned in the investigation is that it's all basically true, that Hillary Clinton signed off on spreading bunk information to the media, and then this guy went to the FBI and misrepresented himself.

00:01:37.000 At least, that's what they claimed.

00:01:38.000 And the jury said, well, they couldn't meet the burden.

00:01:42.000 But many conservatives are saying, actually, the issue is twofold.

00:01:45.000 One, it's a DC jury.

00:01:46.000 Several of the jurors that were in the jury pool Donated to Hillary Clinton.

00:01:51.000 Now, we don't know if they actually made it to the jury because it was anonymous, but one even said they would try their best to be impartial.

00:01:59.000 That's amazing.

00:02:00.000 And, uh, yeah.

00:02:03.000 It's truly incredible.

00:02:04.000 They'll try.

00:02:05.000 The other issue is that Tom Fitton said, when you try to make the FBI the victims, you've got no case.

00:02:14.000 The issue is that the FBI were co-conspirators.

00:02:16.000 At least that's what he's arguing.

00:02:18.000 I think ultimately anybody who thought there was going to be accountability, at least for now, in the Russiagate narrative, surprise, surprise, I gotta admit, it feels a little boring.

00:02:28.000 You know, I was like, this is the big news.

00:02:30.000 Everybody saw this coming.

00:02:31.000 In fact, a lot of people I know who are deeply entrenched in politics were like, I haven't really been paying attention because this is exactly what we thought was gonna happen.

00:02:38.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:02:40.000 We got a bunch of other crazy stories.

00:02:41.000 There was a fire at a chicken factory, a fire at a chemical plant.

00:02:44.000 Now, apparently the mainstream media says these fires are conspiracy theories.

00:02:47.000 There's nothing here, nothing happening.

00:02:48.000 But we'll talk about that.

00:02:50.000 Gas prices once again at a new record.

00:02:52.000 Ugh.

00:02:52.000 Also, so hold on.

00:02:53.000 We're going weak.

00:02:54.000 It's just like everything's worse.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, we know.

00:02:55.000 I got a comment on this.

00:02:57.000 They were arguing that it's not fake news because journalists won Pulitzers for reporting on it?

00:03:01.000 Is that their actual argument?

00:03:03.000 Well, they won awards.

00:03:03.000 It's real news, right?

00:03:04.000 That is the evidence.

00:03:04.000 Alright, well, I've brought him up a number of times, but just look into Walter Durante.

00:03:09.000 The man who literally covered up millions of people being starved to death for the New York Times and then won a Pulitzer Prize for it, which Pulitzer refused to revoke upon re-examining the case.

00:03:20.000 We're going to talk about all of this, and as many of you may have already noticed, we have Brandon Strock joining us.

00:03:26.000 Hey, everybody.

00:03:27.000 Good to be here.

00:03:27.000 What's going on?

00:03:28.000 Who are you?

00:03:28.000 What do you do?

00:03:29.000 Well, I'm Brandon Strock.

00:03:31.000 I created the walkaway movement in 2018, which really caught fire for a few years.

00:03:36.000 And then, you know, the clouds came in 2020, shortly after the election, and I had a pretty rough year for the last year and a half.

00:03:46.000 I think we'll get into it tonight, right?

00:03:47.000 Yes.

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:50.000 What up?

00:03:51.000 But I'm really happy to be here.

00:03:53.000 No, no, I wasn't sure if you wanted to say something to him or not.

00:03:59.000 My name is Seamus Coghlan.

00:04:01.000 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes, and I don't know if you guys know this.

00:04:04.000 I don't know if you guys know this, but I just launched a website, freedomtunes.com.

00:04:08.000 I want to plug, we're selling subscriptions, five bucks a month.

00:04:11.000 You'll get us, help get us independent from big tech.

00:04:13.000 You'll also get extra cartoons that the public doesn't get.

00:04:15.000 One extra cartoon a week.

00:04:15.000 We got like, got a bunch of videos up there now.

00:04:17.000 You guys will love it.

00:04:18.000 Freedom Tunes, T-O-O-N-S. 1.00

00:04:20.000 Yes, that's right.

00:04:21.000 But if you spell it wrong, as many people do, it'll still take you to the website.

00:04:26.000 Oh, that's hardcore, dude.

00:04:28.000 Hey everybody, Ian Crossland here from iancrossland.net.

00:04:31.000 Nothing to report yet, but man, am I looking forward to hanging out and talking tonight.

00:04:34.000 Maybe we can talk about gun control or something like that.

00:04:36.000 Oh, definitely, yeah.

00:04:37.000 Ian was talking about how he thinks everybody should have high-powered siege weapons.

00:04:40.000 Yeah, as I started to think about it, if you find yourself as a defender, which basically what these weapons are to defend are our rights and our liberty, if you're being attacked, they will set up forward operating bases in entrenched positions and you still are going to need to assault the attacker to get them out of the attack formation.

00:04:56.000 I love right now that they're sharing this clip of me saying the Second Amendment protects your right to keep and bear arms, including nukes and biological weapons.

00:05:02.000 And they're like they don't understand legal versus moral arguments. I'm like I'm not saying people should have them

00:05:07.000 I'm saying the Second Amendment says arms and that's never been changed other than we've just kind of

00:05:11.000 Culturally and passively said okay to restrictions because no one's gonna get a new right, but I digress

00:05:18.000 Well, I have always kind of thought that people should be able to own anything that the military can own

00:05:24.000 That only seems fair to me, but I also digress.

00:05:26.000 I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons.

00:05:28.000 Happy to do it for these guys.

00:05:29.000 Let's get going.

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00:06:00.000 Let's talk about this story here from the Postmillennial.

00:06:03.000 Trump slams corrupt legal system following acquittal of Michael Sussman.

00:06:08.000 Our legal system is corrupt, Trump wrote.

00:06:11.000 Right.

00:06:12.000 So perhaps Trump will get reelected and then start firing all of these people.

00:06:16.000 We'll see.

00:06:16.000 This is a story from CNN.

00:06:18.000 Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussman was acquitted Tuesday of lying to the FBI in the first trial of special counsel John Durham's investigation.

00:06:27.000 The verdict is a major defeat for Durham and his Justice Department prosecutors, who have spent three years looking for wrongdoing in the Trump-Russia probe.

00:06:34.000 He claimed Sussman lied during a 2016 meeting in which he passed a tip to the FBI about Donald Trump and Russia.

00:06:41.000 The D.C.

00:06:41.000 federal jury deliberated for six hours over two days before reaching its verdict.

00:06:45.000 The Sussman case revolved around his September 2016 meeting with James Baker, a friend who was the FBI's general counsel.

00:06:52.000 Sussman passed along a tip that led to a four-month FBI inquiry into a possible internet backchannel between the Trump Organization and Kremlin-linked Alphabank.

00:07:01.000 Both companies denied the claim, and the FBI didn't find any improper links.

00:07:05.000 And we learned from testimony that Hillary Clinton signed off on it.

00:07:09.000 That many high-powered, high-profile Democrats were deeply involved in this.

00:07:14.000 The story was complete BS, but apparently the FBI already knew, so it was a waste of everyone's time.

00:07:21.000 If this is all Durham has, I can't say I'm surprised, but maybe something else will happen.

00:07:25.000 I would be surprised if there was any accountability.

00:07:27.000 What I find fascinating is that you have people who spread a lie, which cost the federal government What was it?

00:07:35.000 $50 million, $35 million for the Mueller investigation.

00:07:39.000 So much.

00:07:40.000 This guy misrepresents who he's working with.

00:07:42.000 I believe he was claiming he wasn't working with any campaign, but he was working for the Clinton campaign.

00:07:48.000 No problem.

00:07:49.000 But what about Peter Navarro right now being subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury?

00:07:54.000 Threats of putting him in jail like Steve Bannon if they don't come and testify.

00:07:59.000 I hate to say it, Double standard.

00:08:02.000 Yeah.

00:08:03.000 Right?

00:08:03.000 Well look, it's not just that it was a waste of everyone's time.

00:08:06.000 It was actually an attempted insurrection.

00:08:08.000 The purpose was to remove a democratically elected president from the office the people of this nation decided he should have through the legal process.

00:08:17.000 It was a political insurrection attempt.

00:08:20.000 Absolutely.

00:08:20.000 Yeah, I think anyone involved in this, we should file some 14th Amendment lawsuits about their eligibility to run for office.

00:08:27.000 Seriously.

00:08:28.000 I mean, none of those people should still have a job.

00:08:30.000 I mean, it's unbelievably heinous.

00:08:32.000 Of course, the media helped them along every single step of the way.

00:08:35.000 I mentioned a poll on this show the other day.

00:08:36.000 When they polled Democratic voters, they found 50% of them believed Russia literally hacked Voting machines in the United States and changed the votes.

00:08:45.000 That's how paranoid people got over this.

00:08:47.000 In 2016?

00:08:47.000 They thought that happened in 2016?

00:08:48.000 Yeah, that's what they believed happened in the 2016 election.

00:08:51.000 And no one got banned from Big Tech.

00:08:53.000 No one was told that that was a conspiracy theory they couldn't spread.

00:08:55.000 No one had their life destroyed over it.

00:08:56.000 Quite the opposite.

00:08:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:58.000 They won awards for it.

00:08:59.000 They won awards for it.

00:09:00.000 Exactly.

00:09:01.000 And so one thing I find a little bit interesting is that when the previous president was accused of some

00:09:10.000 sort of election fraud, we investigated the president.

00:09:14.000 When this president was accused of the same thing, we investigated the people accusing

00:09:18.000 him.

00:09:19.000 Amazing.

00:09:20.000 Yeah.

00:09:20.000 And everybody was insane who believed that that was any possibility whatsoever, that Joe Biden didn't get 81 million votes.

00:09:27.000 You're not allowed to say that.

00:09:28.000 You're not allowed to question the narrative, the official news stories.

00:09:33.000 But again, in 2016, I mean, you still have people saying these things online.

00:09:37.000 And I've got some questions for Google and YouTube.

00:09:41.000 You've got people on YouTube right now that will say that they believed the Russia narrative and all that stuff.

00:09:46.000 But that's OK, because The New York Times said so, right?

00:09:49.000 So they're allowed to say that, but if you're a Trump supporter and you say something about 2020, you're gone.

00:09:53.000 You're allowed to question it, because, for instance, Dominion, private company, tallying votes in private, we don't know what they did, and that's the problem in my eyes.

00:10:02.000 I question, what did they do?

00:10:04.000 But making claims about it is where things start to get tricky when it comes to social media administration.

00:10:09.000 Think about this.

00:10:10.000 In the Trump fraud narrative, people were spreading this admittedly ridiculous story about servers in Germany and like a CIA shootout and all that stuff.

00:10:18.000 And they were like, what's going on?

00:10:19.000 And it's like, where did this stuff come from?

00:10:22.000 And then you have Donald Trump running a secret server with a German bank because he was an asset of Vladimir Putin since the 1980s.

00:10:29.000 And I'm like, dude, you actually had, I think it was Jonathan Chait, is his name?

00:10:33.000 Who said Donald Trump may be a Soviet asset.

00:10:37.000 He said Donald Trump may have been a Russian asset since the 80s.

00:10:41.000 And I'm like, that was the Soviet Union, dude.

00:10:43.000 Like, he's still a part of whatever is going on.

00:10:46.000 Yeah, him and Tulsi Gabbard.

00:10:47.000 And that was mainstream.

00:10:49.000 That was MSNBC.

00:10:50.000 That was New York Mag.

00:10:52.000 Totally acceptable to say.

00:10:53.000 And then a bunch of people with MAGA hats on said something equally as absurd. 0.98

00:10:57.000 And they were like, wow, look at those crazy people. 0.96

00:10:58.000 Look what they believe. 0.92

00:11:00.000 I don't see how we hold this country together, man.

00:11:02.000 But well, but I think it goes beyond elections, too, because to your point about, you know, not being allowed to question something.

00:11:08.000 I mean, they went so far with this as to name it.

00:11:10.000 They call it the big lie.

00:11:12.000 And anybody who questions this, they're questioning the big lie.

00:11:14.000 And their whole point is that, well, it's it's too dangerous and it's too destabilizing to allow people to question the election.

00:11:21.000 Look, look what could happen to society if they do.

00:11:23.000 Meanwhile, these are the same people who throughout the entire year of 2020 went on TV night after night after night telling black people that they're not safe to walk to their mailbox because a police officer will come and shoot them, encouraging every single night these riots that were happening all across the country.

00:11:38.000 But that's not a big lie.

00:11:39.000 We're not questioning that.

00:11:40.000 There are FBI statistics that we can look at and see this is not a legitimate problem in this country the way it's being portrayed by the media.

00:11:46.000 But that's fine to say every single night while people are getting killed and neighborhoods are burning to the ground.

00:11:51.000 This is why I often say that the two factions aren't really left or right.

00:11:54.000 It's, do you believe the lie, the mainstream media, or do you challenge the mainstream media?

00:11:58.000 Do you believe the official narrative or do you question the official narrative?

00:12:01.000 That's it.

00:12:02.000 You know, earlier you asked me if I was a conservative yet or something like that.

00:12:05.000 You're like, are you conservative yet?

00:12:06.000 And I was like, no, I don't think so.

00:12:08.000 I think it doesn't matter what your political positions are.

00:12:10.000 It matters if you believe the lies.

00:12:13.000 Right.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, but you're one of, I think, the most sort of high-profile transitioners that we've seen.

00:12:20.000 Transitioners? 0.96

00:12:21.000 You've been transitioning.

00:12:22.000 She's been taking testosterone to become more conservative. 0.75

00:12:24.000 But, serious question, what issues have I changed on in the past 10 years?

00:12:28.000 I don't know about issues, but I know that my experience sort of following you was that you were sort of a well-known podcaster who tended to have what I think a lot of people thought were left-wing values.

00:12:42.000 I became aware of you mostly because I had started WalkAway and people kept saying, Tim Poole's talking about WalkAway, Tim Poole's talking about WalkAway.

00:12:48.000 And it seemed at the time, like when you were first talking about me, that you maybe didn't like me that much or what I was doing.

00:12:53.000 Or you're just like, Oh my God, like, look what's happening in society.

00:12:56.000 And that's why Brennan Strzok and this WalkAway is taking off and stuff.

00:12:59.000 And now you're, you kind of seem like a WalkAway to me.

00:13:02.000 And now, but Walkway's not about becoming conservative.

00:13:04.000 Right, right.

00:13:05.000 Yeah, I supported Democrats in 2020 in the primary.

00:13:08.000 Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang.

00:13:09.000 Am I screaming?

00:13:10.000 Yeah, you're screaming.

00:13:11.000 No, you're good.

00:13:11.000 You're fine.

00:13:12.000 My ears are bleeding already.

00:13:14.000 But I ended up voting for Trump.

00:13:18.000 Tulsi and Yang I supported in the primaries.

00:13:20.000 Okay, so the Russian assets, basically.

00:13:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:22.000 Yang?

00:13:22.000 Unbelievable.

00:13:23.000 No, I don't know about Yang.

00:13:24.000 Tulsi was definitely called a Russian asset.

00:13:26.000 Oh, for sure.

00:13:26.000 By Hillary.

00:13:26.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:13:27.000 They were like, no, we need a woman of color in this election. 1.00

00:13:31.000 And then it's like, we need Tulsi Gabbard off the stage. 0.98

00:13:34.000 She's like a Hawaiian. 1.00

00:13:35.000 Her skin is, you know, like mauve.

00:13:37.000 I don't know what color you would say.

00:13:38.000 She's like, they're like, some people of color are more people of color than other people of color.

00:13:42.000 That's right.

00:13:43.000 Based on their opinions, of course.

00:13:44.000 Well, it was basically, you know, they were grooming Tulsi Gabbard to be this big Democrat player.

00:13:52.000 And then she turned on Hillary Clinton, supported Bernie Sanders. 1.00

00:13:58.000 And then I'm just imagining, you know, all of these top level Democrats like Debbie Wasserman, Schultz, Faints, and then Hillary catches her and she's fanning her like, Oh, Tulsi, what have you done?

00:14:08.000 And then they were just like, she's out.

00:14:09.000 Get rid of her. 0.92

00:14:10.000 Yeah.

00:14:10.000 Well, and she really let Camilla have it, too, in the debates.

00:14:13.000 That was great.

00:14:14.000 That was so good.

00:14:15.000 Yeah.

00:14:15.000 Ripped her.

00:14:16.000 She shot back at Hillary pretty decently, too. 1.00

00:14:19.000 Yeah.

00:14:19.000 Called her queen of the warmongers.

00:14:21.000 That's right.

00:14:23.000 I do think of it as like walking away from believing the TV when I when I am told things like when the Hillary's emails got leaked to WikiLeaks and I started reading about her dealings with you know Sidney Blumenthal and his company Osprey Global Solutions moving them into Libya and wanting to set up an arms dealership in Libya basically like gun running that was like It was hard to get people to believe it.

00:14:47.000 And it was shocking that people didn't believe it.

00:14:49.000 Because it was in her emails to Sydney and her assistants and things like that.

00:14:53.000 But at the same time, I could no longer tolerate it.

00:14:56.000 I can't live a lie. 0.99

00:14:58.000 So I had no choice but to walk away from that garbage. 1.00

00:15:01.000 That consumptory garbage trying to eat everything in its path. 0.95

00:15:05.000 I was just going to say, I don't know if you know this Ian, but one thing I learned from my television is if someone did something really bad and they get caught, if the person who caught them is bad, that means they didn't do the bad thing.

00:15:17.000 That's right.

00:15:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:20.000 That makes perfect sense.

00:15:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:21.000 Turns out it was a bunch of big bad Russians or something like that. 1.00

00:15:24.000 Well, I learned from my TV that if a person does a bad thing and the president questions the bad thing and asks for an investigation, it's actually the president who did the bad thing.

00:15:33.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:15:34.000 Yeah, that's a fact.

00:15:35.000 And that's always true no matter who the president is?

00:15:37.000 No, no, calm down, calm down.

00:15:40.000 If the president's name starts with a T-R-U-M-P and ends with T-R-U-M-P... Got it.

00:15:46.000 Always bad.

00:15:46.000 Right.

00:15:47.000 Yeah, the Ukraine stuff is the most mind-warping, crazy, like... 1.00

00:15:52.000 You have a video of Joe Biden saying quid pro quo.

00:15:55.000 Joe Biden literally on video laughing about he tried to halt U.S.

00:16:01.000 congressionally approved aid to Ukraine unless he got a personal favor.

00:16:05.000 And they're like, you can't do this.

00:16:06.000 And he was called the president.

00:16:07.000 See what he says.

00:16:08.000 And then Trump was like, wow, that looks like a, you know, something.

00:16:11.000 What's up with that?

00:16:12.000 And they're like, Trump did it.

00:16:14.000 It's like imagine being in an elevator and then you fart and then tell the other guy that it was them.

00:16:18.000 That's what they were doing.

00:16:19.000 Then you spend three years investigating.

00:16:21.000 No, no.

00:16:21.000 Then who farted?

00:16:22.000 It was definitely him.

00:16:23.000 The elevator opens up and there's a crowd of people standing in front of it.

00:16:26.000 They go, oh, what was that?

00:16:27.000 And you see Biden going, and they're like, it was clearly him.

00:16:30.000 It's on video.

00:16:31.000 And then, but wait, it was Trump.

00:16:34.000 Trump was the one who did the bad thing after all.

00:16:36.000 That's actually what they did.

00:16:37.000 Joe Biden.

00:16:39.000 Yes.

00:16:39.000 the president of Ukraine with withholding approved aid unless they did him a personal favor.

00:16:44.000 Yes. And but but it was the it was the policy of the United States at the time. It's like,

00:16:48.000 no, no, no, no. Look, Joe Biden didn't have the authority to supersede approved aid.

00:16:55.000 That's what they said when when when Trump said that, you know, look into this.

00:16:59.000 They said Trump has no has no right to.

00:17:01.000 to block aid to Ukraine?

00:17:03.000 It's like, that's what he was saying Joe Biden was doing.

00:17:06.000 So why are you not yelling about Joe Biden doing it?

00:17:09.000 Because the media, it's all just, it's a puppet show, man.

00:17:14.000 But that's the ultimate gaslighting, what you're describing right now.

00:17:17.000 And I think that if people on the left who are still subscribing to the left,

00:17:23.000 like I used to before I walked away, could actually see it, they're so brazen about accusing other people

00:17:31.000 of doing the exact things that they're actually doing.

00:17:33.000 I mean, that is like the breadcrumb trail right there, if people could see it.

00:17:38.000 Like if the Democrats are accusing somebody of doing it, automatically they're doing it right now.

00:17:43.000 Investigate, investigate.

00:17:44.000 But the people don't see it.

00:17:45.000 You know why I don't call it the left?

00:17:46.000 It's because in 2006, it was the Republicans.

00:17:48.000 It was George Bush and Cheney.

00:17:49.000 If you question the 9-11 narrative and the war in Iraq, you were like, all of a sudden, an outcast and a conspiracy theorist.

00:17:55.000 And then it was like Bill Kristol, the war advisor.

00:17:58.000 All of a sudden, he's a Democrat now.

00:17:59.000 He's with Hillary Clinton now.

00:18:01.000 So there's this war party that is like unaffiliated and it's like they're the one making the media tell you the lies.

00:18:08.000 But that's a question that I actually wanted to ask all you guys when you were talking a second ago about like media narratives.

00:18:13.000 I get asked this all the time as somebody who left the left and I ended up becoming a Republican.

00:18:20.000 In my opinion, you know, I used to hate Fox News as a liberal.

00:18:23.000 I used to think that Fox News was everything that they said was a lie and some sort of conspiracy theory and that they were doling out misinformation.

00:18:30.000 Now, you know, I've spent a lot of time watching Fox News over the last four or five years and I don't feel that way anymore.

00:18:36.000 I do believe that they are absolutely biased.

00:18:38.000 I think they absolutely have a point of view that they're trying to push, but I don't see examples of them blatantly lying and creating misinformation and creating completely false stories.

00:18:48.000 But I do see that From left-wing media all the time.

00:18:51.000 So, do you think it's equal?

00:18:53.000 Because I get asked this question all the time.

00:18:55.000 People are like, well, Fox News does that too.

00:18:56.000 Do you think they do?

00:18:58.000 No.

00:18:58.000 MSNBC is owned by Comcast, which is owned by BlackRock.

00:19:00.000 I don't know how deep it goes on Fox's end.

00:19:03.000 I think Fox, what is it, 20th Century Fox is owned by Disney at this point.

00:19:07.000 What is Fox News owned by Disney?

00:19:09.000 I think it's still News Corp, right?

00:19:10.000 I don't know how deep BlackRock has their tentacles at Fox.

00:19:13.000 Fox doesn't play, you know, it's crazy that we're at this point where I used to, I was talking about this the other day, I used to watch CNN, I used to have it on all the time.

00:19:21.000 And then one day it was just a Trump panel and I was like, isn't something happening?

00:19:25.000 And I turned on Fox News and they were like, riots erupt in Iran.

00:19:28.000 And I was like, oh wow, and I'm watching video footage of these riots.

00:19:31.000 And then later, there's like a big storm.

00:19:32.000 I turn on CNN and there's a panel talking about Trump.

00:19:35.000 And then I change the channel and it's Fox.

00:19:36.000 And they're like, prepare for the storm.

00:19:38.000 Big storm's coming.

00:19:39.000 Here's what people are saying.

00:19:40.000 And I was just like, CNN is not news.

00:19:42.000 It is.

00:19:43.000 You know what I think?

00:19:44.000 Jeff Zucker was a reality TV guy.

00:19:47.000 And so he approached CNN.

00:19:49.000 Actually, let me let me stop before saying CNN.

00:19:51.000 I'll tell you exactly what I experienced with Fusion.

00:19:54.000 This was the ABC News Univision joint venture.

00:19:57.000 I leave Vice, I join Fusion, and for the first six to eight months they were like, we're gonna do news.

00:20:05.000 They had a show about drug cartels and like federal agents and Mexican federal agents going after them.

00:20:11.000 And then one day they were just like, we're changing things up.

00:20:15.000 They hired a new editor-in-chief whose Twitter profile was down with whiteness, and he's like a white guy, and it was a black fist, and I was told that they were shifting into mission-driven storytelling. 0.60

00:20:26.000 And then I was told that because young people are progressive, that's what they're going after.

00:20:31.000 They want to target young people, and young people are progressive, so that's the narrative that they're pursuing.

00:20:35.000 So all of a sudden, there was this shift where it was like, tell the truth to side with the audience.

00:20:42.000 Right. 0.86

00:20:42.000 It's like a junkie beating an addict. 0.86

00:20:44.000 And that's what happened. There you go.

00:20:45.000 It's like a junkie feeding an addict. 0.53

00:20:47.000 Right. The idea, I think, and then CNN obviously adopts a similar...

00:20:50.000 Or a dealer.

00:20:51.000 Right. CNN and all these media outlets adopted the exact same thing.

00:20:54.000 They, you know, look. Look at this show.

00:20:56.000 We're not the most tribal show, but there's tribalism entrenched in what we do, of course,

00:21:02.000 because everybody's got a perspective.

00:21:04.000 We're clearly in the right-wing sphere of influence, whatever you want to call it, including libertarians, conservatives, and post-liberals.

00:21:09.000 We have direct disagreements with establishment media, establishment personalities, and the leftists who outright support them.

00:21:17.000 Right.

00:21:17.000 So that's there.

00:21:18.000 But if you if you take a look at the prominent right wing voices, they're like middle of

00:21:22.000 the road.

00:21:23.000 If you take a look at the left, they're hard left pro establishment.

00:21:26.000 So when you have you have the left claiming and I mean the legit left, the socialists,

00:21:31.000 Joe Biden's bad.

00:21:32.000 We can't support him.

00:21:34.000 We all voted for him and we think you should vote for him too.

00:21:36.000 Like, that was the funniest thing, watching these socialists be like, we don't like Joe Biden, but you have to vote for him.

00:21:42.000 And I was like, this dude is the epitome.

00:21:44.000 He's like Goldman Sachs, you know, big banker elite corporate neocon neolib.

00:21:50.000 For what reason would any leftist support that?

00:21:54.000 I guess because they're fascists or whatever?

00:21:55.000 No, they don't have principles.

00:21:56.000 They literally do not have principles.

00:21:58.000 What's most important to them is trying to establish a specific social order, and however they have to get their hands dirty along the way, they're willing to, as long as they end up getting the pieces in the right place eventually.

00:22:08.000 And this is interesting, because you asked me before the show if I was conservative now, and, you know, talking about walking away, and I said, no, I don't think so.

00:22:16.000 I think the issue is just, as I mentioned a moment ago, Yeah.

00:22:18.000 if you believe the lies or not if you if you trust the narrative from the establishment

00:22:22.000 or you question it is what really separates the spheres of influence yeah so when you

00:22:27.000 see we did this thing with a ground dot news you can look up someone's news consumption

00:22:32.000 bias invariably you pull up a left wing personality and it'll say all of like eighty or ninety

00:22:39.000 percent of their news consumption is left wing sources you pull up people like you know

00:22:43.000 Michael Malice or me and it says a balance of left right and center mine I think is fifty

00:22:49.000 five percent left wing sources than like twenty percent center and the rest is I think mine 0.53

00:22:52.000 was thirty or thirty five.

00:22:54.000 But then a lot of conservative personalities are like 60% conservative and then like 15 and 15 of centrist or left-wing, but they have way more left-wing news in their diet than the left has the other way around.

00:23:05.000 So you'll see that.

00:23:07.000 Then what happens is we bring someone on the show, this like former conservative guy, and he outright told me the Joe Biden quid pro quo thing didn't happen.

00:23:17.000 I mentioned, I was like, so you get Joe Biden saying, you know, SOB, the guy got fired.

00:23:21.000 He goes, that didn't happen.

00:23:22.000 And he like smirks.

00:23:23.000 And I was like, he said he couldn't let that stand or something.

00:23:25.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:23:26.000 I can't let that say that didn't happen.

00:23:28.000 And I was like, yes, it did.

00:23:29.000 And he's like, no, no, it didn't.

00:23:30.000 I was like, OK.

00:23:31.000 And I pulled the video up and I'm like, here's a video.

00:23:32.000 Watch it.

00:23:33.000 And he was like, oh, I'm like, and like, what are you serious?

00:23:36.000 You didn't Google it.

00:23:37.000 You just heard it.

00:23:38.000 You thought it was true.

00:23:39.000 That's the thing, man.

00:23:40.000 The the Covington kid stuff.

00:23:43.000 I don't just believe it.

00:23:44.000 People are like, you gotta see this man.

00:23:45.000 People on the right were critical of them.

00:23:46.000 And I was like, well, what happened?

00:23:48.000 And we have a lot of that going on right now.

00:23:50.000 Like, there was that story of that young girl in the school who was sexually assaulted in Loudoun County.

00:23:56.000 And everyone on the right is just saying it was a trans person.

00:23:58.000 And I'm like, that was never part of the story.

00:24:00.000 They just started saying that.

00:24:01.000 And I'm like, if you actually look it up, the kid never said they were trans.

00:24:05.000 At least that's my understanding, having read the story.

00:24:06.000 I was like, if someone says something happened, I don't care if it's from the left or the right, I'm gonna read it.

00:24:10.000 It turns out, reality has a conservative bias.

00:24:13.000 At least in my investigation, in my doing of journalism and fact-checking, that's what I found.

00:24:18.000 The left lies about everything.

00:24:20.000 Should we do the list again?

00:24:22.000 Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Jussie Smollett, Michael Brown, Ahmaud Arbery, what are we missing?

00:24:28.000 Trayvon Martin.

00:24:29.000 Wow, the media actually... George Floyd, Charlottesville.

00:24:32.000 Oh yeah, Joe Biden's whole campaign?

00:24:34.000 Lies! 0.92

00:24:35.000 Non-stop!

00:24:36.000 And then the left tries to talk about the Republicans, and I'm like, yeah, who's praising Mitch McConnell right now?

00:24:42.000 I don't know anybody who's actively in politics who's like, that's a great guy, I'm a big fan of him.

00:24:46.000 But what is he even saying in terms of facts?

00:24:48.000 Nothing.

00:24:49.000 So I don't consider myself conservative.

00:24:51.000 I consider myself someone who is interested in what's true and what's real.

00:24:55.000 You said something earlier that's interesting because I think a lot of people problem they're having is when they hear something that they don't necessarily want to believe, they just immediately say, that's not real.

00:25:02.000 No, but a good, a strong mind is capable of tending an idea without believing it or disbelieving it, just allowing it to exist and considering it.

00:25:11.000 Well, what you just described is literally the experience that I had that created The sort of epiphany, sorry, that created sort of the epiphany for me that began the journey of me walking away because it's not to bore anybody.

00:25:27.000 Please tell me.

00:25:27.000 Okay.

00:25:29.000 After Trump got elected, you know, I had voted for Hillary.

00:25:31.000 I was devastated and I was really acting out about it.

00:25:35.000 I was really angry.

00:25:36.000 And one of the things that I said was in January of 2017.

00:25:39.000 So he was around the time he was about to take office.

00:25:42.000 I went on Facebook and I blasted conservatives in this post where I just said, you know, I'll never be able to understand how anyone could vote for a man who is capable of standing before a cheering crowd and mocking a reporter's disability.

00:25:54.000 Do you remember that?

00:25:55.000 Yeah.

00:25:56.000 And that's when somebody that I knew, she was my babysitter when I was a kid, this woman, Diane.

00:26:01.000 She was always a conservative, but she reached out to me privately on Facebook with this video called debunking that Trump mocked a disabled reporter.

00:26:08.000 And she was like, you know, I'm just wondering, have you seen this?

00:26:10.000 You know, I'm not, I'm not trying to start a fight with you.

00:26:12.000 But I remember my instinct when I just reading the title of the video, I was so enraged that she would try that anyone would try to debunk that he did that because I was like, but I saw it.

00:26:23.000 I saw it with my own eyes.

00:26:24.000 I know he did it.

00:26:24.000 I seen and told me he did it.

00:26:27.000 And then I decided to watch the video because I thought to myself, well, it's going to be really clear that this is like right-wing propaganda and Fox News brainwashing, so then I can tell her how stupid she is for falling for it. 0.97

00:26:41.000 And I watched it and it was like I almost dissociated from my body because my brain was like screaming at me like, oh my God, I don't think he mocked that reporter's disability. 0.98

00:26:51.000 But my heart was like going, yeah, but we hate him.

00:26:52.000 But we hate him.

00:26:55.000 And I had to watch it four times before I could reconcile within myself that I was wrong.

00:27:01.000 But then it took me at least another week or two before I was able to go back to Diane, that woman, and be like, Okay, I may be changing my mind about this one thing, not about Trump, but about this one incident.

00:27:12.000 But that set me down the road of trying to figure out what was going on with the media.

00:27:17.000 Well, I just want to make a point here.

00:27:19.000 I remember that story as well, and when I heard it, I didn't look too deeply into it.

00:27:23.000 I thought maybe, I mean, I think it's horrible if he said something like that.

00:27:25.000 Of course it turned out to be fake news, because basically everything they say turns out to be fake news.

00:27:30.000 But even so, even if he had done something as horrible as mock somebody with a disability, because of Hillary Clinton, there are slave markets back in Libya.

00:27:39.000 She completely decimated a country.

00:27:41.000 And I'm sorry, but that's worse.

00:27:45.000 That is so much worse.

00:27:46.000 Even if Trump actually did it, which he didn't, It is worse to destroy an entire country to the point where slavery has returned to the region.

00:27:55.000 So I didn't, I didn't vote in 2016 because I was just like, are you kidding me?

00:27:59.000 Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton?

00:28:01.000 I heard what Trump was saying, but I was like, please, I've heard this all before.

00:28:04.000 It's the back and forth nonsense.

00:28:06.000 But I, I didn't think it'd be real hilarious if Trump ended up winning just because it's Trump.

00:28:09.000 And then when Hillary lost, it was just so hilarious. 0.98

00:28:12.000 But my, so, um, when it came to Joe Biden versus Trump, I was flabbergasted at the leftists who were like, we're going to vote for Joe Biden.

00:28:20.000 And I was like, Joe Biden was the vice president under Barack Obama.

00:28:24.000 The National Defense Authorization Act, indefinite detention provisions, expansion of the war in the Middle East, expansion of drone strikes, the bombing of civilians, and then saying, oh, but they're military age males.

00:28:36.000 The extrajudicial assassination of American citizens.

00:28:39.000 And I was like, you screamed that George W. Bush was Hitler.

00:28:44.000 And now you've got the vice president of a guy who killed American citizens without charge or trial.

00:28:49.000 I'm voting for Trump!

00:28:51.000 Because, what?

00:28:53.000 He was, he was, no new wars?

00:28:55.000 There were, there were, there were more drone strikes as we were pulling troops.

00:28:58.000 I was like, okay, look.

00:29:00.000 Trump's not that bad, right?

00:29:01.000 I was like, you can— I hear all the complaints the Left makes about him.

00:29:04.000 I think his attitude, his character was like unbecoming of a presidential office.

00:29:08.000 All of that stuff matters to a lot of people.

00:29:10.000 Decorum does matter.

00:29:11.000 But for me, I'm like, it matters relatively little compared to a booming economy in 2019.

00:29:16.000 I don't blame him for COVID.

00:29:17.000 I don't blame Joe Biden for COVID.

00:29:19.000 But then, looking at Joe Biden in the election, and I was like, if that guy gets elected, we'll be right back in Syria, we're gonna have a new war, mark my words, it is gonna get worse, and Donald Trump had some good second-term policy positions.

00:29:31.000 So I said, okay, what do we get?

00:29:33.000 Wow, man.

00:29:35.000 I want to make sure everybody hears this.

00:29:38.000 When you go to the gas pump and you see that little Joe Biden that says, I did that.

00:29:42.000 That's not a joke.

00:29:44.000 Joe Biden shut down Keystone.

00:29:46.000 Joe Biden introduced new regulations on gas.

00:29:48.000 He put a freeze on oil and gases on federal land.

00:29:53.000 There's a lot he's done.

00:29:54.000 We had that video from Hawley where he goes through all of the policies.

00:29:56.000 And you know why Joe Biden did it?

00:29:58.000 Climate change.

00:30:00.000 Now, I'm not making a moral statement on climate change.

00:30:02.000 I think pollution and all this stuff is really, really bad.

00:30:04.000 I think there are issues with these massive population centers overpopulating or polluting.

00:30:10.000 But if you are wondering why your gas prices are high, it is because the people who are scared about climate change are enacting policies specifically because of climate change.

00:30:20.000 They are saying they are doing it, and it's causing economic crises.

00:30:24.000 If you're cool with that because you think climate change is bad, Well, just admit it.

00:30:29.000 That's fine.

00:30:30.000 I'm not issuing a moral statement.

00:30:31.000 But Joe Biden literally did this because of climate change.

00:30:34.000 And now we've got reports that farms are being paid not to farm.

00:30:37.000 They're being paid to build solar farms instead.

00:30:40.000 I mean, it's very obvious what they're doing.

00:30:42.000 Just not telling people.

00:30:43.000 But that's the reason.

00:30:44.000 If you're a climate change activist, be proud.

00:30:47.000 Those high gas prices mean less people will drive and lower carbon emissions.

00:30:51.000 And if you are a middle American working class person who's struggling to pay your bills, that's why it's happening. 0.95

00:30:56.000 But do you, do you, honestly, do you feel like your words will resonate with these people?

00:31:01.000 I mean, this kind of goes back to the conversation you and I were having before the show.

00:31:04.000 I mean, like, if Trump were to run again, are enough people getting it?

00:31:10.000 That it actually would make a difference because I actually believe that a lot of people on the left are willing to pay $6 a gallon for gas or more if they believe that we don't have Hitler in office again. 0.78

00:31:23.000 Well, I just want to say this.

00:31:25.000 I mean, your former babysitter had faith that she could reach you.

00:31:29.000 Right.

00:31:29.000 And it worked, right?

00:31:32.000 It worked when I was faced with the realization that something that I... Okay, here's the thing.

00:31:38.000 I learned that my feelings were being manipulated by the people that I trusted.

00:31:45.000 I trusted CNN.

00:31:46.000 I thought that they were honest and I hated people like Donald Trump and I hated people like Republicans because I thought that they were bad people.

00:31:51.000 I thought they were people that did things like make fun of disabled people and everyone laughs and cheers. 0.74

00:31:56.000 But as it turns out, To me, I say this all the time, you know, and as a gay person I always say this, like, the left will pretend like they're the people that care about black people and brown people and LGBT people and all this stuff, but the thing is they're actually lying and manipulating and exploiting all of these people to get them to think the way they want them to think and behave and vote the way that they want them to vote. 0.94

00:32:18.000 I will, any day of the week, take the enemy that will look into my eyes and say, I don't like gay people. 0.89

00:32:24.000 I'll never be down with you. 0.99

00:32:25.000 I don't like you.

00:32:26.000 Then the person who says, no, no, no, I'm your friend.

00:32:28.000 I'm on your side.

00:32:29.000 I'm here to protect you.

00:32:30.000 But they're actually lying to me and manipulating me.

00:32:32.000 And that's what I discovered through that experience.

00:32:35.000 I want to answer what he's asking.

00:32:38.000 But put a tag in that.

00:32:39.000 What I want to say is, are people getting the message?

00:32:42.000 It depends on how you all at home are delivering the message.

00:32:45.000 If you have someone who is deep blue, vote blue no matter who, going to them and being like, it's your fault that gas prices are so high because Joe Biden and all, and these climates, not gonna work.

00:32:56.000 You can do two things.

00:32:58.000 Me?

00:32:59.000 I prefer the middle-of-the-road, straightforward approach, where when I'm talking with someone who I know might not agree, I'll just be like, man, you see those gas prices?

00:33:08.000 And they'll go, yeah, dude.

00:33:09.000 I'll be like, that's crazy.

00:33:11.000 What is it?

00:33:11.000 It's like six bucks in Pennsylvania.

00:33:13.000 It's like almost upwards of eight dollars in some parts of California.

00:33:17.000 But hey, man, look, what we're seeing, Joe Biden, he wants to fight climate change.

00:33:22.000 You know, so they want to shut down Keystone Pipeline because they don't want the oil moving through, and then you get speculation, which drives prices.

00:33:28.000 I mean, Russia and all that stuff plays a role, but these prices were skyrocketing before that, so look, I mean, if you guys want to be serious about climate change, this is what happens.

00:33:36.000 That is an effective message.

00:33:37.000 They might say, yeah, I get it.

00:33:39.000 It's bad, and I'm suffering because of it.

00:33:41.000 Or you can do the even more manipulative, which is, you see gas prices?

00:33:46.000 Eight bucks a gallon in California?

00:33:48.000 Bro, high five.

00:33:49.000 You know what this means?

00:33:50.000 It means no one's driving.

00:33:51.000 Good.

00:33:52.000 They shouldn't be driving anyway if they can't afford electric cars.

00:33:55.000 These people think, oh, I can come out and talk about climate change, but they do nothing.

00:34:00.000 They keep eating.

00:34:01.000 They keep guzzling.

00:34:02.000 They keep flushing their toilets.

00:34:03.000 They take half an hour showers during droughts.

00:34:06.000 Good!

00:34:07.000 I hope they cry every time they see that $8 per gallon price, and that's Joe Biden who did that.

00:34:13.000 Joe Biden sent a strong message to these American gluttons who are burning through carbon every single day.

00:34:18.000 We will end climate change, mark my words, and Joe Biden will do it. 0.90

00:34:21.000 And then regular people are going to be like, that was psychotic.

00:34:23.000 That's what you say in the intersection before you drive off in your Tesla to the guy next to you.

00:34:29.000 So that's the more manipulative approach where you make someone be like, that's a crazy position.

00:34:33.000 I don't want gas prices this high.

00:34:35.000 I'm not a fan of that, but that is, you know, it's like black propaganda. 1.00

00:34:41.000 It's like shocking someone with, you know, what's going on.

00:34:44.000 But I mean, I got to be honest, you don't even need to do that because maybe just show them a video of someone, you know, at like the DSA convention where they were like, My name's John.

00:34:52.000 Can people stop clicking their pens because it's driving my anxiety?

00:34:55.000 And then someone gets up and goes, stop saying guys!

00:34:58.000 And then they're all yelling.

00:34:59.000 I'm like, just show them that video.

00:35:01.000 But in all reality, the way to effectively give someone the message is just to be polite about it and say, Joe Biden said he wanted to fight climate change.

00:35:08.000 So he passed some regulations that caused the hiccups in the in the energy sector.

00:35:13.000 He's not responsible for all of the escalation of gas prices, but he played a big role.

00:35:17.000 I mean, a year before he came in office, gas was like two bucks.

00:35:20.000 Now it's at like four to five bucks.

00:35:22.000 So I mean, it's obvious that, you know, climate change policies.

00:35:25.000 I also kind of stopped playing the game of trying to change people's minds in one conversation and play more of the chipping away with just honesty and kindness and listening to them because they'll, you know, they're probably not completely wrong about everything anyway.

00:35:37.000 So it's nice to hear.

00:35:37.000 No, that's a good point.

00:35:39.000 Well, no, I mean, there's an old saying in every heresy, there's a kernel of truth.

00:35:42.000 I mean, people believe things because there is like some shred of goodness there that they're trying to scrape at.

00:35:46.000 And if you can figure out what that little kernel of goodness is, you can show them the truth and how it really fully embodies that.

00:35:54.000 I'm not saying it Well look what I'm saying I agree with what Ian is saying that there is there is something there about like trying to figure out now obviously we have people in this culture who are like completely bad faith actors are totally morally depraved but I'm saying like someone you might meet in your everyday life who could be persuadable

00:36:10.000 So, I think it's the left and not the right, right?

00:36:15.000 This is just reality.

00:36:16.000 The right has post-liberals.

00:36:17.000 These are people who are the walkaway people.

00:36:19.000 They're still very politically liberal on a lot of issues, but they have aligned themselves now with Republicans.

00:36:24.000 Pew Research showed that, what are they called, the stressed sideliners lean right on political issues.

00:36:30.000 And it's probably because the left keeps moving further and further left, like that Elon Musk meme.

00:36:34.000 So when you see, uh, there's one thing right now, uh, about me, because I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm staunch 2A.

00:36:40.000 People are wondering what positions I've changed on.

00:36:42.000 I went from, I think guns are cool, maybe we can have some, you know, simple gun reforms that might make everybody happy, to, nah, all guns, like, guns are illegal, 2A, if you got a problem with it, you gotta change the Constitution.

00:36:52.000 So I said, on an episode, that the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear nuclear arms and biological arms.

00:36:59.000 But I'm not wrong.

00:37:01.000 Now, just because Second Amendment protects it doesn't mean it's legal, you can do it, or you should be able to do it.

00:37:05.000 So they take a clip of me, cut out the context where I'm like, people have the right to have nukes!

00:37:10.000 And Ian's like, and biological weapons?

00:37:11.000 I'm like, absolutely.

00:37:13.000 And then they cut out the part where I'm like, that doesn't mean they should.

00:37:15.000 It means that when the Second Amendment was codified in the Constitution, people had warships that could flatten coastal cities.

00:37:21.000 And the Founding Fathers knew that and were like, you can have it.

00:37:24.000 The right to keep in bare arms.

00:37:26.000 And so there's a lot of sophistry in the Second Amendment argument where they say like, but a well-regulated militia.

00:37:31.000 That has nothing to do with what the actual prescription of the Second Amendment is.

00:37:34.000 They're saying because of this need, the people have a right to keep in bare arms.

00:37:39.000 And arms means arms.

00:37:40.000 Does it say except nuclear in the Second Amendment? 0.61

00:37:42.000 It doesn't.

00:37:43.000 Should it?

00:37:44.000 Perhaps it should.

00:37:46.000 And that's something we will need to change.

00:37:47.000 But that's something I've changed on for sure.

00:37:50.000 Now what happens is, In this whole issue, they're sharing that clip out of context, and then they create fake context around it.

00:37:57.000 And so after they post that clip, the morsel of truth Seamus mentioned, they then will add something like, and after this, Tim said this, which I didn't say, and then people believe it because they saw a video and then saw someone telling them the story.

00:38:10.000 Someone will say, Tim Poole thinks everyone should have a nuclear weapon because he wants humanity to be wiped out.

00:38:14.000 Here's the video.

00:38:15.000 Here's proof.

00:38:16.000 And then people go, wow.

00:38:17.000 Then they say, Tim Pool also claims that China manufactured COVID to wipe out white people or something like that, which is like something they're actually trying to claim.

00:38:25.000 And these are high-profile left-wing accounts.

00:38:27.000 That's why I say when you look at the right, reality has a conservative bias.

00:38:32.000 At least for now, maybe it'll change in 10 years.

00:38:34.000 What does that mean exactly?

00:38:37.000 So Stephen Colbert had the famous quote, reality has a liberal bias.

00:38:41.000 And what the point he was making, I guess, was that the liberal media, as conservatives call it, tends to be true and they're fake news.

00:38:47.000 Therefore, reality must have a liberal bias.

00:38:50.000 The reality is today, if you're talking to a conservative personality, Ben Shapiro, great example.

00:38:55.000 If you listen to Ben Shapiro, you are 99% of the time going to hear the absolute truth.

00:39:01.000 To the best of his ability.

00:39:02.000 I don't mean like the dude is omniscient, but he's going to be like, we've got a new report coming out from the New York Times that says... You have a new report from the New York Times, right?

00:39:07.000 This is what it says.

00:39:08.000 This is why they're absolutely wrong.

00:39:09.000 But he will tell you what they're saying.

00:39:11.000 Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks will just say nonsense.

00:39:14.000 And if you watch his show, this is why, you know, you watch the Young Turks, they'll just say things that are plum not true.

00:39:20.000 Or they'll just make dramatic personalized, like personal arguments that have nothing to do with the issues.

00:39:25.000 Ben Shapiro, he told us, he's like, I don't debate people, I have discussions with them, but they're, you know, the left will constantly be arguing.

00:39:31.000 So what do they do?

00:39:32.000 The video that goes viral of Ben Shapiro is some kid being like, well, you can't please your wife.

00:39:37.000 And then the left is like, oh, and they'll high five each other.

00:39:40.000 And I'm like, okay, why would, why would anyone want to be associated with that?

00:39:43.000 And what does that have to do with the, with the principled arguments we're having?

00:39:46.000 Thus, you talk to someone on the right, you'll end up hearing closer to the truth than the left.

00:39:51.000 Yeah, I think I agree with that.

00:39:54.000 It's only because this liberal economic order has its fangs in the neck of the American citizen.

00:39:58.000 I want to talk about walking away.

00:40:00.000 We have this story from AP.

00:40:02.000 Some Democrats voting in GOP primaries to block Trump picks.

00:40:07.000 They go on to say, Diane Murray struggled with her decision all the way up to the election day. 0.96

00:40:12.000 But when the time came, the 54-year-old... Can we pull this up?

00:40:14.000 Yeah, sorry, sorry.

00:40:15.000 The 54-year-old Georgia Democrat cast a ballot in last week's Republican primary for Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

00:40:21.000 While state law allowed her to participate in either party's primary, she said it felt like a violation of her core values to vote for the Republican, but it had to be done.

00:40:29.000 She decided to prevent Donald Trump-backed election denier from becoming the battleground state election chief.

00:40:35.000 I feel strongly that a democracy is at risk and that people who are holding up the big lie, as we call it, are holding on to the former president are dangerous to our democracy.

00:40:43.000 Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:40:45.000 There was data that came out that showed in Georgia, 7% of the Republican primary votes were former Democrats.

00:40:53.000 And the media then came out and started saying things like this.

00:40:56.000 Oh, this is Democrats trying to sabotage Trump.

00:41:00.000 And I'm like, that's a really bad thing to say, even if it's true.

00:41:03.000 That the will of the people is being subverted by people who are trying to sabotage a primary.

00:41:09.000 But I don't believe it's true.

00:41:10.000 You don't.

00:41:11.000 Is it bad that I absolutely believe it?

00:41:11.000 that 7% we're talking about a hundred thousand people were all like we're

00:41:16.000 Democrats but we're gonna vote the Republican race to ruin Trump's chances

00:41:20.000 is it bad that I absolutely believe it you do believe that a hundred thousand

00:41:24.000 people who voted did it because they hate Trump I believe it's possible I

00:41:28.000 didn't say it's not possible yeah I believe that it is just extremely unlikely, and the reality is, it's people who are like, the economy is in the gutter, there's a food shortage, a fuel shortage, and I'm paying five bucks a gallon for gas?

00:41:40.000 I'm voting Republican.

00:41:41.000 Look, I mean, money talks, and it speaks much more eloquently and effectively than any rhetoric.

00:41:46.000 People have to throw, what, six bucks into the pump to get a gallon of gas?

00:41:50.000 Yeah, they're probably not gonna vote for more of the same.

00:41:53.000 To your point, though.

00:41:55.000 It would be foolish of any Republican, conservative, right-wing, whatever you want to call it, to ignore this story.

00:42:03.000 Because, rest assured, it may come election time and you're like, we got it in the bag, look at the turnout from the Republican primaries, record-breaking, and then all of a sudden there's a surge in Democrat votes because they really were trying to sabotage you.

00:42:16.000 I think it's absolutely possible that this is an organized effort to get in and sabotage things.

00:42:21.000 I do think it can happen in the numbers that you just described.

00:42:24.000 I think when you said earlier that these people have no principles, this could absolutely be an example of just that.

00:42:31.000 But wait, hold on, my question for you is, I understand the state of the country and the price of gas, inflation, everything pushing people over to the right, or even making the decision, oh my God, I'm going to vote Republican, even though I've never done that in my entire life.

00:42:43.000 But to switch parties and vote in primaries?

00:42:45.000 I'm not so sure.

00:42:46.000 That's a good point.

00:42:47.000 But I think maybe a lot of people just don't understand what the primaries are.

00:42:51.000 But I do think it's a good point.

00:42:52.000 But I will say this.

00:42:53.000 In 2018, about 600,000 people voted in the Republican primary.

00:42:57.000 In the primary in 2022, it was 1.1 million.

00:43:01.000 They estimated only about 7% were former Democrats.

00:43:04.000 This means that the Republicans are just seeing a surge in new voters.

00:43:09.000 That says a lot.

00:43:13.000 Who wants these new voters if you still just hate Trump?

00:43:19.000 I still hate Trump as much as I ever did, but I hate how expensive gas is.

00:43:23.000 So I'm going to become a Republican and vote against any of the pro-Trump people.

00:43:27.000 You're not a Republican.

00:43:28.000 Right, they're not.

00:43:29.000 They don't know.

00:43:30.000 So look, we're politicos, right?

00:43:32.000 We're deeply entrenched in all this stuff.

00:43:34.000 The regular person is probably sitting in their living room and they're just like, or they come home from work and they see their wife and it's like, how was work?

00:43:42.000 And it's like, honey, man, I don't know how we're going to budget for this.

00:43:44.000 I mean, I said I'd put 70 bucks in the gas tank to get to work.

00:43:47.000 We're not making enough money.

00:43:50.000 This Biden, these Democrats, it's like, well, I'm voting Republican.

00:43:54.000 They don't know what the primaries are, what they mean for the most part.

00:43:56.000 They just know they get the thing in the mail saying, go vote.

00:43:59.000 And they're like, I'm voting Republican.

00:44:00.000 But if this woman represents some sort of like key demographic of these people, can we show the quote again?

00:44:06.000 What she said?

00:44:06.000 Yeah.

00:44:08.000 She said, I feel strongly that our democracy is at risk and that people who are holding up the big lie, as we call it, are holding on to the former president are dangerous to democracy.

00:44:17.000 That is not just somebody who's like, I don't know how to budget for the month and I don't really follow politics.

00:44:21.000 Right, but this is one person.

00:44:23.000 Right, but I'm just saying if she is representative of the mentality of a lot of these people making this choice.

00:44:29.000 So here's what they're saying.

00:44:30.000 They're saying an AP analysis of early voting From data from L2 found that more than 37,000 people who voted in Georgia's Democrat primary two years ago cast ballots in last week's Republican primary, an unusually high number of so-called crossover voters, even taking into account the limited sample of early votes.

00:44:45.000 I just got to say, in the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be the correct one.

00:44:50.000 And what we have seen, I mean, I remember back in, it was 2019 or 2020, we had the C-SPAN video.

00:44:58.000 Where people were just calling, being like, I have voted Democrat for 20 years and I am sick to my stomach of this.

00:45:04.000 I'm voting Republican.

00:45:05.000 We have these huge stories.

00:45:06.000 I mean, you're Mr. Walkaway.

00:45:08.000 How many people have you met who walked away?

00:45:10.000 We had 9 million people in 2016 switch from Democrat to Republican.

00:45:14.000 The simple solution is most people are just voting Republican because they're sick of the Democratic Party.

00:45:20.000 Well, I can tell you that in the testimonials that we had before Facebook banned our group in 2021, the videos and the written testimonials were all people saying that they had an awakening that I'd say the key thing that most people had in common was an awakening that they were being lied to, manipulated, and exploited, and that that awakening led them to see that Trump They understood why Trump was a salvation to a lot of people and they even considered, I mean, they said, I'm going to vote for Trump.

00:45:54.000 So it wasn't like I'm going to go, you know, hold my nose and vote for Trump this time, or I'm becoming a Republican, but I, I'm just not going to vote for the president.

00:46:01.000 I mean, they were enthusiastic about Trump.

00:46:03.000 All these people walking, the majority of these people walking.

00:46:06.000 It wasn't this woman.

00:46:07.000 Right.

00:46:07.000 It's a good point though, that why are they voting in the primary?

00:46:09.000 Yeah.

00:46:10.000 Well, I think part of the reason they liked him so much is because, in a sense, they're getting out of an abusive relationship with a really terrible ex and he's talking smack to him all the time.

00:46:18.000 And they're like, you know what?

00:46:19.000 I kind of like this guy.

00:46:20.000 Yeah.

00:46:21.000 I don't know.

00:46:22.000 What do you think, Ian?

00:46:23.000 Do you think these are Democrat sabotaging?

00:46:24.000 Do you think it's genuine?

00:46:26.000 Uh, yeah, there's probably some people that are going to sign up for the other party to try and sabotage it.

00:46:31.000 But I think a lot of people are disenfranchised with the Democratic party.

00:46:33.000 I mean, Biden's near demented at this state.

00:46:35.000 It's really hard to watch him.

00:46:37.000 Yeah.

00:46:37.000 I'm very gracious about saying, coming out and being like, dementia, Alzheimer's, like, I'm not a doctor.

00:46:42.000 So, but it seems that way.

00:46:44.000 And I mean, the Hillary Clinton email thing was insane.

00:46:46.000 The way Bernie Sanders got screwed over two elections in a row, cycles in a row.

00:46:50.000 Let me, let me, let me ask you this way, Ian.

00:46:52.000 If I made you an offer, a wager, as it were, for $1, you could bet that Biden is either suffering from severe dementia or he's not.

00:47:06.000 And if you are right, you would win $1,000.

00:47:09.000 Which one would you bet?

00:47:10.000 Dementia.

00:47:11.000 Wait, wait, I should probably put it the other way around.

00:47:13.000 The lines are fading.

00:47:15.000 I love the man, man.

00:47:16.000 I want to help him.

00:47:17.000 If you had to wager a thousand bucks and you could win a thousand bucks, you know, which one are you gonna bet on?

00:47:21.000 You give me a thousand to one odds?

00:47:23.000 Whatever.

00:47:24.000 You could bet me a dollar for a dollar.

00:47:25.000 I'd still say he has dementia.

00:47:26.000 I don't know.

00:47:26.000 That's my point.

00:47:27.000 But that's my guess.

00:47:28.000 He shuffles his feet and looks at the ground when he walks.

00:47:30.000 No one is gonna risk any amount of money.

00:47:33.000 Like...

00:47:34.000 Except for our entire economy.

00:47:36.000 Listen to him do a video from 10 years ago, and then put on a video from 10 weeks ago, and it's like two different people.

00:47:43.000 It's terrifying that he's in charge of the military.

00:47:46.000 But Seamus, a lot of people in 2020, we had COVID lockdown.

00:47:51.000 It was bad for a lot of people.

00:47:53.000 And they said, we need change.

00:47:54.000 This was Trump's leadership.

00:47:56.000 Gonna bring back flip phones! 0.90

00:47:57.000 it's gonna be like obama all over again those years on that they're remembering being in college or you know back in

00:48:03.000 the good old days i like i remember was good the bar play we sports

00:48:06.000 like i got a vote for joe biden bring back the obama era and now we're going to flip phones will be a bit now that's

00:48:12.000 not what the story I was trying to talk to my mother about the Tara Reade story because she didn't really know it.

00:48:16.000 She had been getting a lot of info from CNN.

00:48:19.000 And it's like, no, well, I mean, this girl, I don't know, credibly accused.

00:48:22.000 That's a funny buzzword, credibly.

00:48:24.000 But I mean, she was like, he pushed me up against the wall in the middle of the building, Capitol building, wherever they were.

00:48:28.000 And he did unspeakable things.

00:48:29.000 Yes.

00:48:30.000 Horrific.

00:48:31.000 And she worked for him.

00:48:32.000 She was like one of his aides.

00:48:33.000 And that just got pushed under the rug.

00:48:35.000 Totally pushed under the rug.

00:48:36.000 I'm lifting the rug up so you can look at it.

00:48:39.000 Tara Reid.

00:48:39.000 Look at her name.

00:48:40.000 It's R-E-A-D-E, by the way.

00:48:41.000 Joe Biden sniffs little girls.

00:48:43.000 This is not even up for debate.

00:48:45.000 There's videos of him doing it.

00:48:46.000 And they don't talk, right?

00:48:47.000 Isn't that so bizarre that that's just not even discussed?

00:48:49.000 The man has dementia and he sniffs children constantly.

00:48:52.000 It's not like a one-off thing.

00:48:53.000 I think, here's the thing.

00:48:54.000 Now, I know you guys are gonna call me crazy and maybe, you know, I thought conservatives were against cancel culture.

00:48:59.000 I can't believe he's about to say this.

00:49:01.000 I think if you sniff one child in public once, your career should be over.

00:49:04.000 Joe Biden has repeatedly sniffed children.

00:49:07.000 It is a pattern and it is constant.

00:49:09.000 The first time he did it, they should have walked him off stage and says, let's not do that again.

00:49:13.000 Regarding his leg hair being touched by the kids in the pool that he was telling us about.

00:49:18.000 I think maybe that it was like the kids were like, oh, it's a sea monster.

00:49:21.000 Because the hair was real long and he was like, ah, you know the grandkids are so probably not insidious I love when the media runs these stories where they're like Conservatives believe in conspiracy theories about a cabal of pedos and all that and I'm like listen listen I think those conspiracy theories are pretty nuts, but it's not helping your case that Joe Biden is sniffing children right on stage in front of in front of the press and And you're angry at bills that want to prevent sexual education for kindergartners through third grade.

00:49:48.000 You're like, oh no, this is the hill we want to die on.

00:49:50.000 Not just that.

00:49:51.000 Bills that say you can't have secret conversations with children about sex, that you tell them not to report to their parents.

00:49:56.000 The media says it's not happening.

00:49:57.000 I'm the only adult you need to trust.

00:49:59.000 Well, that's the other thing, right?

00:50:00.000 It's not just that these things are happening.

00:50:02.000 It's that the media is either pretending they're not happening, or when they do talk about it, they try to completely twist the story and gaslight you into believing that you're the crazy one for being against these unspeakable things. 0.85

00:50:12.000 Don't say gay. 0.89

00:50:13.000 You know that song, Institutionalized by Suicidal Tendencies?

00:50:19.000 We need to make a modern version of that, a cover, what's about the media.

00:50:22.000 And it's like, I turn on the TV, I turn on CNN, you know, I'm trying to figure out what's going on in the world.

00:50:26.000 And they tell me, you know, Joe Biden didn't collude with the Ukrainian president to protect his son's business.

00:50:31.000 And I'm like, yo, but there's video of him saying it.

00:50:33.000 And they're just like, and then my mom comes in. 0.79

00:50:35.000 You know that song?

00:50:36.000 The song's great.

00:50:37.000 It's funny, one thing I used to do, I was doing a cartoon a while ago about the scandal with old Joe Biden withholding funds from Ukraine so that they would do his bidding basically and back off the investigation into the company his son was working for.

00:50:56.000 Burisma. 0.97

00:50:57.000 Yeah, Burisma.

00:50:59.000 I was like, well, you know what?

00:51:00.000 It's always good to get the other perspective.

00:51:03.000 I don't want to spread misinformation if I'm wrong about this.

00:51:05.000 So I looked up to see what like the fact checkers were saying, because usually what they'll do is gather all of what the left perceives to be as the strongest arguments against a conservative statement or position.

00:51:16.000 And I'm not kidding you.

00:51:17.000 The fact check I read said, well, It was actually Obama administration policy, so it's mostly false to say that Joe Biden was doing this for his own goals or his own motives.

00:51:28.000 It's like, what?

00:51:29.000 He's the vice president of the administration.

00:51:32.000 You said that it was Obama's administration's policy to go blackmail the Ukrainian government?

00:51:38.000 Basically, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:39.000 Yes!

00:51:41.000 Yeah.

00:51:42.000 You know what I was thinking?

00:51:43.000 Imagine this.

00:51:44.000 Imagine anybody willing to vote for Joe Biden at this point.

00:51:48.000 That means they're like, well, the economy is in the gutter, gas prices have shattered records consistently, inflation is shattering records consistently, He sniffs children, and they want to take away our right to keep and bear arms.

00:52:00.000 Like, he is the epitome of a fascist, and who's destroying everything.

00:52:06.000 And they would prefer that. 0.96

00:52:08.000 For what reason?

00:52:09.000 You just, like, very matter-of-factly listed all of those things, and it's like, that is insane.

00:52:12.000 That is actually what is happening.

00:52:14.000 Like, that is the President of the United States right now.

00:52:17.000 I got the feeling that people were so angry.

00:52:19.000 I don't know if angry is the right word, but so disillusioned or didn't like Trump so much. 0.91

00:52:22.000 They're like, I will vote for poop over that guy. 0.98

00:52:25.000 You give me a steaming pile of poop and I will vote for it.

00:52:27.000 But I don't know if that's because they're like diluted on drug, like psychoactive pharmaceuticals and they don't feel like they don't understand. 0.98

00:52:34.000 Maybe they're just low IQ.

00:52:35.000 Maybe people just aren't as smart as I'm giving them credit for and they're voting with their gut instead of their logic.

00:52:41.000 The average person, you mean?

00:52:42.000 Like, when you're talking about the people who voted?

00:52:44.000 Yeah, it's a good question.

00:52:45.000 I mean, so, like, Time Magazine came out and published an article where they basically admitted that in every single way they possibly could legally, they orchestrated the election to ensure that they would get a specific outcome.

00:52:57.000 And we live in a culture where people have been consistently trained To always take the path of least resistance and do whatever brings them pleasure as opposed to what makes sense.

00:53:06.000 And what that results in is people who are just followers and will basically do whatever the media tells them, get upset about the issues the media tells them to be upset about and vote for the people the media tells them to vote for.

00:53:16.000 I want to pull this tweet from Michael Malice.

00:53:17.000 He said, Nobody wants to indoctrinate your children.

00:53:19.000 No one wants to shut down your business.

00:53:21.000 No one wants lockdowns to continue more than necessary.

00:53:23.000 No one is going to force you to have a vaccine passport.

00:53:25.000 No one is teaching your kids critical race theory.

00:53:26.000 These are all just conspiracy theories.

00:53:28.000 That's right.

00:53:28.000 They'll be nobody wants to indoctrinate, indoctrinate your children.

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:33.000 Yeah.

00:53:33.000 That's never happened before.

00:53:33.000 That's crazy.

00:53:34.000 Yeah.

00:53:34.000 They don't have kids.

00:53:37.000 I like that he said, uh, they don't, it's not, what does he say?

00:53:40.000 No one is going to, before all those statements.

00:53:43.000 Well said Michael.

00:53:44.000 No one wants to.

00:53:45.000 No one wants to.

00:53:46.000 Fill this in.

00:53:47.000 They didn't want to, you made them do it.

00:53:49.000 I used to joke with my buddy Matt and we'd be like, It's not that I hate you. 1.00

00:53:54.000 It's, it's not that you're an idiot. 1.00

00:53:56.000 That's not what I'm saying. 1.00

00:53:57.000 You get it?

00:53:58.000 Like you started off with, it's not that, and then you just say what you feel.

00:54:02.000 So Brandon, I want to talk to you though.

00:54:04.000 Okay.

00:54:06.000 You, you walked away, you voted for Trump.

00:54:08.000 Yes.

00:54:08.000 Will you still vote for Trump?

00:54:10.000 Hmm.

00:54:11.000 Well, I want to keep my options open for whatever is coming down the path.

00:54:16.000 Ron DeSantis, maybe?

00:54:17.000 I'm a big Ron DeSantis fan.

00:54:19.000 Let's pull this up real quick.

00:54:20.000 We have this from TimCast.com.

00:54:22.000 Trump and DeSantis are now tied as 2024 frontrunners on Predict It.

00:54:27.000 So Predict It, of course, is people can buy shares, essentially, and who they think they're going to win.

00:54:33.000 Well, what do you think?

00:54:33.000 First, you want to keep your options open, you said.

00:54:36.000 Well, all I mean is that he has to announce.

00:54:40.000 I mean, that's the whole thing.

00:54:41.000 Is he going to announce or not?

00:54:43.000 I mean, I think that most people think that he is.

00:54:45.000 Definitely.

00:54:47.000 I mean, if he announces, I don't think that anyone can take him, nor do I think that Ron DeSantis will even run if he announces.

00:54:57.000 So in that scenario, definitely.

00:55:00.000 Would you vote for him if he runs?

00:55:02.000 Yes.

00:55:02.000 Would you vote for him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue?

00:55:04.000 It's a real question.

00:55:07.000 Probably.

00:55:07.000 Yeah, honestly.

00:55:09.000 I mean... Got him.

00:55:11.000 But, you know, I think that a lot of people are very excited about DeSantis right now.

00:55:18.000 I definitely think... I don't like a lot of what I'm seeing on the Trump side in terms of the... Like, I get it when he was in office.

00:55:26.000 I even get it when he was running because he was so different.

00:55:30.000 Uh, you know, I think that he, uh, he got it.

00:55:32.000 He understood the concerns of the American people at a time when people feel like America's being sold out and they needed a hero.

00:55:41.000 And I think that he was that hero, uh, you know, for, for a really long time.

00:55:45.000 But at this point, um, because people I think are so desperate about how the 2020 election went and how things currently are in this country.

00:55:54.000 There are factions within the Trump community that are becoming cultish.

00:55:59.000 And you're not allowed to criticize him.

00:56:02.000 You're not allowed to ask questions.

00:56:04.000 You're not allowed to express a disfavorable opinion about anything that he does.

00:56:08.000 And then, okay, now we are becoming the thing that the left has said, if that's what it's going to be.

00:56:12.000 I will not be a part of a cult.

00:56:15.000 So if I'm not allowed to criticize Trump, or if I'm not allowed to question decisions that he makes, like endorsing Dr. Oz, Yeah, but if I'm not allowed to say that, then I am out.

00:56:27.000 Because I'm not going to be a part of that culture.

00:56:29.000 No, but you can still vote for Trump.

00:56:30.000 Yeah, I will.

00:56:32.000 But there's a difference between going in and voting for him and being really outspoken and endorsing.

00:56:37.000 I think that I influenced a lot of people to come around to him in 2020.

00:56:41.000 For sure.

00:56:41.000 You know, the hardcore Trump supporters really do not like me because I won't support Trump's narrative on the election fraud stuff because I just think it's... Look, I think the issue is you need to discuss what happened in 2020 in a methodical way.

00:56:57.000 The problem is a lot of people push these extreme stories about servers in Germany and watermarked ballots.

00:57:04.000 I look forward to sitting down with former President Trump because we're planning on getting an interview with him, hopefully.

00:57:11.000 No guarantees.

00:57:12.000 I'd be honored.

00:57:12.000 It'd be an honor and a privilege.

00:57:14.000 But I would like to ask him, Mr. President, did you watermark any ballots?

00:57:16.000 And when he says no, I'll be like, OK.

00:57:19.000 See, this is the issue that YouTube is banning people for.

00:57:21.000 They're banning people for those wild stories about secret, behind-the-scenes missions, and what needs to be expressed is that Time magazine ran an article saying, the shadow campaign to fortify the election, or to save the election, and you talk about how rules were changed, about election laws, about universal mail-in voting, and the process that took over a year that resulted in a defeat.

00:57:44.000 So Donald Trump can come out and say all of these things, but if he says it in a way where he's talking about those things, then you've got no problem.

00:57:53.000 The issue is there's a lot of people who want to believe the craziest scenarios because they can't admit that people were willing to vote for Joe Biden destroying this country because they hated Trump so much.

00:58:04.000 And I think I think that's what happened.

00:58:07.000 I think there's obvious BS that we saw.

00:58:09.000 We saw videos.

00:58:10.000 Bill Barr said there was fraud, but just not enough of it.

00:58:13.000 I think we saw unconstitutional voting rules.

00:58:15.000 This literally happened in Pennsylvania where a judge ruled the voting law change was unconstitutional, but only after the fact.

00:58:22.000 Those things that happened, okay?

00:58:23.000 You focus on that stuff, and you stay away from the more conspiratorial stuff.

00:58:28.000 Now my point here, most people are referring to that stuff and not the weird conspiracy stuff.

00:58:33.000 YouTube will conflate all of it, and the media will conflate all of it, so that when you're trying to talk to people, they don't understand what you're trying to say.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, it's like psychological surgery where if you make a mistake, the patient will die, and that's how the sensors are treating this conversation.

00:58:47.000 You have to be extremely, I guess, accurate and, I don't know, there's other words for it, but direct and focused and intentional when you're communicating about this election fraud in general.

00:58:58.000 I mean, it's a huge conversation.

00:58:59.000 It's an important conversation.

00:59:01.000 But the whole situation, the whole question around the election, I guess I'll put it that way, is, I think, one of the most prime examples of what has caused Trump people to be Trump people in the first place.

00:59:14.000 I mean, this enormous sect of people in this country Who just get rolled over.

00:59:20.000 They're not listened to.

00:59:21.000 They're not respected.

00:59:22.000 Nobody, people treat them like they don't exist.

00:59:25.000 And we know that at minimum, at minimum, he got 74 million people to come out and vote for him, which is enormous.

00:59:32.000 That's huge.

00:59:33.000 But those 74 million people at minimum are treated like their concerns don't matter.

00:59:39.000 And I have to say, look, if it was literally the other way around and, uh, There were 74 million Biden voters who were outraged and thought the election was fixed.

00:59:48.000 I'd say let's put their mind at ease.

00:59:50.000 Let's settle this.

00:59:51.000 That's what happened with Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:59:53.000 Because I don't want this divide.

00:59:54.000 I just want to mention, it's not just that they're told that their concerns don't matter.

00:59:57.000 They are told that they have the most abhorrent, racist, sexist, bigoted concerns you could ever possibly have. 0.85

01:00:02.000 They're basically neo-Nazis. 0.94

01:00:03.000 They're horrible people who should be excluded from public life if they ever have the audacity to voice any of their actual opinions about anything. 0.89

01:00:09.000 But I guess my point is that this was never worked through.

01:00:15.000 This was never settled at all.

01:00:17.000 And in fact, even the people on the left, who I think in a very sort of elitist and mocking way address the people who have concerns on the right.

01:00:27.000 You know, they say, There's no substantial evidence that this happened.

01:00:32.000 This has all been discredited.

01:00:33.000 This has all been discredited.

01:00:34.000 By who?

01:00:35.000 And when?

01:00:36.000 By people who would never have wanted it to be true.

01:00:41.000 Why would you not want to validate and verify that you won?

01:00:46.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

01:00:48.000 Rub it in our faces. 0.95

01:00:49.000 Rub it in our faces. 0.98

01:00:50.000 I mean, I just can assume.

01:00:51.000 And I assume fear.

01:00:52.000 They're afraid that if they do the right thing, that they'll end up losing.

01:00:56.000 And then that will be the end of the world.

01:00:57.000 I don't know about that.

01:00:58.000 That's a drastic fear-based idea.

01:00:59.000 I'm wondering where the Arizona audit stuff went.

01:01:02.000 A lot of the stuff that came out, people were like, Tim, why don't you talk about the Arizona stuff?

01:01:05.000 I'm like, we did, like five times.

01:01:06.000 We had multiple guests on who went through the data.

01:01:09.000 We actually sat down with them.

01:01:10.000 And then when the stuff from Arizona comes out, it's the same stuff we already talked about.

01:01:13.000 And I was like, what am I supposed to say to this?

01:01:15.000 And then they disappear.

01:01:17.000 And I'm just like, they were checking for watermarks and stuff, and I was like, guys, people want to believe that the world is something more than it is.

01:01:25.000 I got news for everybody.

01:01:27.000 The world is boring.

01:01:28.000 There is no cabal.

01:01:29.000 You have people like Bill Gates for sure.

01:01:31.000 But I've been to Davos.

01:01:35.000 Not for the actual Economic Forum, but I was in the peripheral events where people were setting up.

01:01:39.000 I've met with powerful politicians and ultra-wealthy individuals, and they're clueless half the time.

01:01:44.000 They're just powerful.

01:01:45.000 So when they have a whim, they do something crazy.

01:01:48.000 I don't think that there is a, you know, beneath-the-streets-of-DC-hooded-figures-are-meeting-and-having-these-conversations.

01:01:54.000 I know I'm being a little facetious.

01:01:55.000 I don't think that they secretly meet together.

01:01:57.000 I think it's overt.

01:01:58.000 I think you know they're meeting at Bilderberg.

01:02:00.000 You know they're meeting at the World Economic Forum.

01:02:02.000 They broadcast what they're saying from the World Economic Forum to the world.

01:02:07.000 You know, when it comes to what happens with Trump, they wrote a news article in Time magazine about what they did.

01:02:12.000 And it was a lot of new voter rules.

01:02:15.000 It was a lot of get out the vote stuff.

01:02:17.000 It was nefarious behind the scenes, big tech billionaires and things like that.

01:02:21.000 And it's it's all out in the open.

01:02:23.000 It's all known what you know, how they how they did this to Trump to fortify the election.

01:02:27.000 But what's not out in the open or known is what the Dominion servers tallied.

01:02:31.000 It's proprietary and they did it behind the scenes and then told us what it said and we just had to take them at face value.

01:02:35.000 If we're going to fortify this election for real, we need some sort of like third gap where our votes are put on a blockchain and they can be observed.

01:02:42.000 Ian?

01:02:43.000 Ian?

01:02:43.000 About Dominion?

01:02:44.000 You're right.

01:02:46.000 Thank you, Tim.

01:02:46.000 It's good to see you again, man.

01:02:48.000 We don't know a proprietary voting machine.

01:02:50.000 We don't know what's on it.

01:02:51.000 So I can certainly see if people are upset about that.

01:02:54.000 My response immediately is open source, publicly available code for our voting systems.

01:02:58.000 Like, how could a private company control that?

01:03:00.000 That's insane to me.

01:03:01.000 I'm not I'm not saying anything nefarious happened.

01:03:03.000 I just don't know because it's private.

01:03:05.000 Right.

01:03:05.000 That's interesting.

01:03:07.000 You guys just brought this up because I was actually just about to say it wasn't even for me some of the more I don't know what words to use because I don't want to offend anybody but like you know kind of more on the fringe theories about what went wrong in the election the watermarks that you know and and some people really went pretty far with the Dominion stuff in my opinion that was never it for me you know I wasn't really subscribing to or that to me was not like the key thing to me it was the stuff like

01:03:35.000 Governors changing voting laws and manipulating the pandemic, which is not the process you're supposed to go through to change voting laws.

01:03:42.000 It's supposed to go through the legislatures.

01:03:44.000 And then they had things like, well, we're going to extend, you know, people can mail them in and we're going to accept the mail in until this date.

01:03:50.000 Well, they were counting ballots that came in three days or more after the date.

01:03:55.000 And then a lot of people said they came in, they didn't have signatures.

01:03:57.000 That's not OK.

01:03:59.000 The signatures didn't match or weren't recognized.

01:04:00.000 Well, that's not OK.

01:04:02.000 So my question was only How many of those ballots did you count that didn't have signatures, or the signatures didn't match, or they came in after the due date?

01:04:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:12.000 This is the issue for me too, right?

01:04:14.000 We saw a lot of that.

01:04:15.000 I think the universal mail-in voting stuff gives a massive advantage to Democrats.

01:04:18.000 We saw Republicans in Georgia and Pennsylvania basically aligned with the Democrat proposals on change to voter rules.

01:04:24.000 In Pennsylvania, it was Republicans who actually did a deal with Democrats to create universal mail-in voting, despite what the laws actually permitted in the Constitution.

01:04:33.000 And so I think the issue is those are really great points.

01:04:37.000 I think we need to have an investigation, a conversation around that.

01:04:40.000 The problem is the media will exploit the fringe of the conspiracies to discredit any legitimate questions around what concerns we have in the election.

01:04:49.000 Well, but you know, another question I have, too, is why don't we have a forensic audit of every election?

01:04:54.000 I mean, why does it have to?

01:04:56.000 And why don't we all agree on the rules ahead of time, no matter what happens, and just say, after this election is complete, this is the way in which it can be investigated so that both sides feel satisfied?

01:05:07.000 In 2016, they were claiming that Russians hacked voting machines.

01:05:11.000 Seamus brought that up.

01:05:12.000 So, I don't know of any specific media conglomerate that said that that was the case, but they were thrilled to be misunderstood as saying that every time they said the phrase, Russian election interference or Russian interference.

01:05:25.000 There are people who genuinely believed it.

01:05:27.000 50% of Democrats polled believed that Russia literally hacked our voting machines.

01:05:32.000 And they repeatedly said that Trump was illegitimate and all that stuff, and that was all allowed.

01:05:36.000 And they spent tens of millions of dollars investigating this nonsense.

01:05:40.000 Then when Trump comes out and says something like, it's a big lie, and I'm like, dude, so was yours.

01:05:45.000 If you want unity in this country, then how about we have the...

01:05:50.000 The Dominion probe, like the Mueller probe, or whatever.

01:05:52.000 But they won't do that.

01:05:54.000 It's a double standard.

01:05:55.000 And this is what's gutting the country and tearing it apart, is that if you have all of these Hillary voters who are freaking out and screaming, they got their probe. 0.96

01:06:02.000 It jammed up Trump for two years.

01:06:04.000 Then Trump comes out, he's angry, his supporters are all angry, and they say, nah, we're not going to return the favor.

01:06:08.000 Well, that's how you shred this country in half.

01:06:11.000 So let's move on, though, because I want to ask you.

01:06:15.000 Considering everything you've been through, do you want to give us a run-through of where you've been, like what's been happening since January 6th, to start from the beginning?

01:06:23.000 Sure, absolutely.

01:06:27.000 Just starting with January 6th forward?

01:06:29.000 Well, yeah, like how did you come to... Tell us what happened, you know?

01:06:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:33.000 So, after the election in 2020, I'd say somewhere around November 5th or 6th or 7th, in those early days afterwards, Um, I was one of the people who decided to lend my voice.

01:06:45.000 There were a number of conservative influencers who kind of decided to go to swing states around the country and basically throw rallies and, you know, First Amendment protected events.

01:06:56.000 To encourage people to basically keep the energy up and say, hey, we want an audit.

01:07:01.000 We feel like something's wrong.

01:07:02.000 Everybody, I mean, millions of people thought something was wrong.

01:07:06.000 And so I went to the state of Michigan and I lended my voice to three rallies when I was there.

01:07:13.000 And then I went to DC for a couple.

01:07:15.000 And so I was very much involved in this, what ended up being called the Stop the Steal movement.

01:07:20.000 And, uh, on January 6th, I got invited to speak in DC at the Capitol.

01:07:26.000 Um, it was, uh, there were graphics that were made for the speakers.

01:07:30.000 I was one of probably a hundred people or more who had a graphic that there was supposed to be an event at the Capitol.

01:07:37.000 So it was always my understanding that president Trump was going to speak at the Ellipse, that there would be a March from the Ellipse to the Capitol and that there was going to be a second event at the Capitol.

01:07:46.000 I was told it was a permitted event, which I believe it was.

01:07:49.000 There was a stage, etc.

01:07:51.000 And so on that day everything sort of unfolded for me exactly as I was told that it would.

01:07:57.000 President Trump said, now we're all going to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol and I'm going to join you there.

01:08:03.000 So I started heading to the Capitol on the DC Metro for my speaking engagement.

01:08:09.000 And as I was arriving at my stop, I started getting some text messages on my phone from people who I'm friends with or work colleagues of mine who were at home throughout the country watching on television saying, you know, we're hearing on the news that people are going inside the building.

01:08:24.000 And I didn't know what that meant because I have attended dozens and dozens of right wing rallies over the years and That type of thing never happens with conservative people.

01:08:35.000 I mean, conservative people are very, very calm, peaceful.

01:08:38.000 So to hear that just, it sounded strange to me.

01:08:40.000 And honestly, the first image that it brought up in my mind was I thought to myself, when

01:08:45.000 left-wing protesters like Alyssa Milano even and Amy Schumer for a number of different

01:08:49.000 causes have gone inside of government buildings, have gone inside the Capitol and pounded on

01:08:54.000 Congress people's doors or made noise, gotten dragged out, usually it lasts like six seconds

01:09:00.000 and they get pulled out.

01:09:01.000 And the other thing that I thought was that I was envisioning in my mind like maybe a

01:09:05.000 dozen people.

01:09:06.000 When they're saying people are going inside, I thought like, oh, a few people went inside

01:09:10.000 to be like, we want an audit and they're going to get pulled out and whatever.

01:09:14.000 So as I get to the stop, I get off and I'm heading toward the Capitol and I decided to

01:09:20.000 start shooting a video.

01:09:21.000 And again, I've done enough events to know that if you're in a large crowd of people, live streaming is just not even a possibility.

01:09:27.000 So I was like, you know, I'm just going to record this into my camera roll on my phone.

01:09:31.000 And then if I capture anything interesting, I'll cut it down and put it out on social media later.

01:09:36.000 So I'm approaching the Capitol from the east side.

01:09:39.000 This is the east side of the Capitol.

01:09:40.000 This is the west side of the Capitol.

01:09:43.000 This is a very important point to me that I make every time I do an interview because the conservative media has done a terrible job of covering this story so most people, even people who are supportive of people who got arrested, don't understand this.

01:09:56.000 When you've seen the footage on the news of windows being smashed and struggles with police officers and flashbangs and things like that, as far as I know that happened exclusively in the crowd on the west side of the building.

01:10:08.000 People were breaking windows and going inside.

01:10:11.000 So I didn't witness any of that.

01:10:13.000 None of that.

01:10:14.000 And in my video, which everything I'm about to say, you can watch with your own eyes.

01:10:18.000 You don't have to take my word for it.

01:10:20.000 Just my video tells the same story.

01:10:22.000 I started shooting my video about three blocks away from the Capitol.

01:10:26.000 and just took one long continuous video as i'm entering the east side capital grounds what you'll see in my video is that there are zero police officers not a couple not a dozen zero zero police officers people are standing all over the grounds calmly people are walking their dogs people are carrying their babies people are everyone's calm everyone's just chit-chatting And as there are no barricades, there's a very, very large sidewalk on the east side.

01:10:55.000 I mean large enough that you could drive cars on it.

01:10:58.000 And it's completely open.

01:10:59.000 There's bike rack over on the left in the lawn and bike rack over on the right on the lawn, but the sidewalk is open.

01:11:04.000 This is all in my video.

01:11:05.000 I followed the sidewalk up to the Capitol where there were several thousand people standing around the steps.

01:11:12.000 In my video, you see at the top of the steps, a man motioning down to people below and he's calling out, they've opened the doors.

01:11:19.000 They're letting us in.

01:11:20.000 We're going inside.

01:11:21.000 We're going inside.

01:11:22.000 I repeated what he said as I'm filming.

01:11:26.000 And then I went to the top of the stairs.

01:11:27.000 And when I got to the top of the stairs, sure enough, both doors were wide open, double doors, large metal, double doors with a capital wide open.

01:11:34.000 And there's a crowd of several hundred people at the top of the stairs.

01:11:38.000 Nobody's being violent.

01:11:40.000 Nobody's hurting each other or anybody.

01:11:44.000 It was loud.

01:11:44.000 It was a little bit loud, but, um, and there were people standing in front of me, you know, I was about 35 feet away from the open doors and a lot of people taller than me in front of me and people, a lot of people were carrying flags on poles that were hanging down.

01:11:56.000 So what I did was while my camera's filming this video, I hold my extended my arms fully above my head and pointed them down toward the door so that my camera could capture things that my eyes could not see.

01:12:08.000 And I stood there for about eight minutes on the east side steps, filming as some people were making their way into the east side doors, open doors.

01:12:16.000 And some people, most people were just standing there, either filming or just kind of watching.

01:12:22.000 And after about eight minutes, a man came outside of the Capitol.

01:12:25.000 He got on a bullhorn.

01:12:26.000 He shouted into the bullhorn, they've cleared Congress.

01:12:30.000 Everyone's left the building.

01:12:32.000 Clear out, clear out.

01:12:34.000 And at that moment, I immediately turned around.

01:12:36.000 I told the people behind me, they're saying to clear out, go this way, go this way.

01:12:40.000 Were you in the building?

01:12:41.000 I never went inside the building.

01:12:42.000 I didn't get within 35 feet of going inside of the building.

01:12:45.000 There were literally hundreds of people between me and the doors.

01:12:49.000 And the crowd wasn't really moving.

01:12:51.000 It wasn't a stampede.

01:12:52.000 I mean, it was literally just like people kind of shoulder to shoulder, like going like this.

01:12:57.000 And so I left the Capitol grounds and I went back to my hotel room in D.C.

01:13:01.000 and I took the video that I just shot and I uploaded it to Twitter.

01:13:06.000 It was, I think, about eight and a half minutes long.

01:13:09.000 And I don't remember what I said, but I think I said something along the lines of, this is what I witnessed today at the Capitol.

01:13:15.000 Now, at the same time that that was happening, I started to see this energy changing on Twitter, where I was starting to see all these conservative talking heads expressing like, Oh my God, we're so ashamed of what happened at the Capitol today.

01:13:27.000 We're so embarrassed.

01:13:28.000 Oh, this is just the worst thing that's ever happened.

01:13:31.000 And I thought that what I had witnessed with my own eyes and what I experienced, I thought that was it.

01:13:36.000 I thought that was the Capitol breach and I'm thinking to myself, you know, it might not have been like our finest moment, but I was like, you know, the doors were open and people were walking in and yeah, I don't know.

01:13:46.000 Maybe they shouldn't have gone inside, but I'm thinking this is the most embarrassing thing that people have ever seen.

01:13:51.000 And so I made a few comments saying things like that I was not going to speak against the people at the Capitol like all the other conservative talking heads were.

01:14:01.000 I said these are people that are desperate to be heard.

01:14:04.000 Nobody's listening to them.

01:14:05.000 And basically the comments that I was making made it sound like I was in agreement with whatever had happened at the Capitol.

01:14:15.000 About an hour after I uploaded that video and had made a couple of comments, I turned on my TV.

01:14:20.000 And when I turned on my TV from my hotel room, that's when I started to see images of people smashing windows and struggling with police officers and stuff.

01:14:27.000 And I was really shocked, really, really shocked.

01:14:30.000 And I was just like, what is this?

01:14:31.000 I couldn't even understand what I was watching footage of.

01:14:35.000 And when they were saying this was what happened at the Capitol, I was thinking, wow, okay, something went down today that was very different than what I experienced.

01:14:44.000 And I instantly knew that people were going to associate me with that if they saw my video or they saw my comments, and that no one would be able to distinguish, and understandably, no one would be able to distinguish, I wasn't there, I was here, that was going on here, I was there, you know?

01:15:00.000 So I took the video down, I took all my tweets down for the entire day, even the ones I'd put on before I went to the Capitol.

01:15:05.000 I was just like, I don't know what happened.

01:15:06.000 I have no clue what happened at the Capitol and how bad it was.

01:15:09.000 So even the comments that I made, you know, at eight in the morning, I just don't want to be associated with whatever this is in any way, shape or form.

01:15:17.000 So I deleted the video, took the tweets down and honest to God, believe that that was the end of it and flew home the next day.

01:15:25.000 And people started asking me right away, was I worried?

01:15:28.000 Was I concerned?

01:15:29.000 Because even though my video had only lived on Twitter for like an hour or two, it had already been copied by numerous Twitter trolls.

01:15:36.000 So they were mass reposting my video and tagging the FBI and telling the FBI to come and get me.

01:15:43.000 And it was just getting worse and worse and worse day after day.

01:15:46.000 So it wasn't, you know, going away.

01:15:48.000 It was intensifying.

01:15:50.000 And that was making me a little uncomfortable.

01:15:52.000 And at that point I thought, well, I'm probably going to get visited.

01:15:55.000 I wouldn't be surprised if they ask me some questions because this is just getting so... And at this point they were starting to arrest people and the story was really picking up and it was picking up.

01:16:06.000 But still people were asking me on a daily basis, are you worried?

01:16:09.000 And I was like, no, I was like, well, I didn't do anything.

01:16:11.000 I have nothing to be worried about.

01:16:13.000 And then two and a half weeks later on Monday, January 25th, I woke up to a team of FBI agents and tactical gear raiding my home at dawn.

01:16:25.000 They got me out of bed, put me in handcuffs, and presented me with a search warrant.

01:16:31.000 A team of agents began taking my computers, my iPad, my phones, hard drives, thumb drives, camera equipment, electronics, while two or three other agents put me in handcuffs and told me that I was facing multiple felony charges.

01:16:48.000 for what I had done at the Capitol on January 6th.

01:16:50.000 And I remember I said, felonies.

01:16:52.000 I said, I didn't even commit any crimes.

01:16:54.000 And the guy said, Oh, I saw your video.

01:16:57.000 I saw what you did.

01:16:58.000 And I started going, what the hell did I do?

01:17:00.000 Like, I mean, I literally, like, I just, for a moment, I was just like, did I like blackout?

01:17:05.000 Like, did I do something like egregiously violent and I don't remember it or like what's going on?

01:17:11.000 So they took me to jail.

01:17:13.000 They put me in a cell where I sat for two and a half days in 23-hour day lockdown before I finally had the opportunity to see a judge and the judge ordered my release.

01:17:26.000 When the judge ordered my release, the next morning I was able to speak with an attorney and that's when my attorney, who became my attorney, informed me that I was being charged with two felonies and a misdemeanor.

01:17:42.000 So the first felony was knowingly occupying restricted grounds.

01:17:47.000 And this word is very important to them in all of these J6 cases. 1.00

01:17:50.000 Knowingly.

01:17:51.000 Everyone knowingly was somewhere where they weren't supposed to be and we chose to do it anyway.

01:17:57.000 And so I guess by standing on the Capitol steps during a protest, I was in a restricted area and I knowingly was in this restricted area and they were charging me with a felony for that.

01:18:08.000 And for the record, as far as I know, as far as I know, I am the only person who got charged with a felony for being in the restricted area.

01:18:16.000 Even people who went inside the Capitol were getting misdemeanors for parading in a restricted area or occupying a restricted area.

01:18:23.000 But I got a felony for being on the steps.

01:18:26.000 Then they charged me with a misdemeanor of disorderly conduct with an intent to disrupt a hearing before Congress.

01:18:33.000 And the other charge was a felony of impeding an officer in the line of duty. And I said,

01:18:40.000 what is this? And my, it was explained to me in your video that I'm shooting like this of doors that are

01:18:47.000 35 feet away from me with hundreds of people between me and my camera. There's a

01:18:52.000 moment where one Capitol police officer comes to the open doors, the doorframe. And when he gets

01:18:59.000 there, the somebody near him grabs his plastic shield out of his hand.

01:19:05.000 And when that happens, a number of voices, hundreds of people all around me, a couple of voices in the crowd, you hear one shouting, take the shield!

01:19:15.000 Take the shield! 0.96

01:19:16.000 And someone else is shouting, take it!

01:19:17.000 Take it!

01:19:19.000 Well, the FBI says you're the person shouting, take the shield, take the shield.

01:19:24.000 And you know, you're this, this influencer with a lot of, uh, with a big following and people listen to you and you have this influence.

01:19:31.000 So by you shouting, take the shield, take the shield.

01:19:34.000 This is a, you know, an egregious act of encouraging a crowd to impede an officer.

01:19:40.000 And so they charged me with a felony.

01:19:43.000 And, um, So that began the process of what was a year-long nightmare of trying to find some sort of resolution in this case.

01:19:53.000 What ends up happening with the charges?

01:19:56.000 Long story short, after a year, I took a plea deal.

01:20:00.000 In the plea deal, now you have to understand too, that in addition to what I was already facing, The DOJ repeatedly messaged to my attorneys and to me that they had not yet charged me with felony obstruction of Congress and that this was a charge that carried 20 years.

01:20:19.000 They said we could, but we've chosen at this point not to do that yet.

01:20:26.000 So to me, it felt very clear that if I chose not to take the plea deal that they were offering, that I would be facing the two felonies that they were already charging me with and that they were going to add a third felony of obstruction of Congress, which carries 20 years.

01:20:42.000 And when we see the way that these DC, the people who are going to trial, when we see the way that they're going, you know, people ask me all the time, do you feel like you made the right choice taking a plea deal?

01:20:51.000 And I say, well, you have to understand the question was never how do I win and how do I lose?

01:20:57.000 It was how do I lose the least?

01:20:59.000 This was an unwinnable situation.

01:21:02.000 So how do I get out of this and lose the least?

01:21:04.000 You know, there was one guy who got acquitted on trespassing charges.

01:21:07.000 That's true.

01:21:08.000 He did.

01:21:08.000 He took a bench trial.

01:21:10.000 The judge himself said he didn't know he was trespassing.

01:21:13.000 Case dismissed.

01:21:13.000 Right.

01:21:14.000 Well, I think, and believe me, that sent me into a depression for a while and questioning, again, if I had made the right decision.

01:21:22.000 But the key differences in his case and mine is that if I'm correct, I don't think he was facing any felonies.

01:21:28.000 I think he was facing three or four misdemeanors.

01:21:30.000 And it was a pretty clear cut case that he had not committed any violence, vandalism, theft, or destruction.

01:21:36.000 Same with me.

01:21:37.000 But that he was accused of Going inside, parading, parading in a restricted area, all of these different things, and that he had a video that showed that there was a police officer who motioned him in.

01:21:47.000 And at that point the judge was like, well this is, you can't charge him with thinking he's in a restricted area when he has this police officer motion him in.

01:21:54.000 I'm being accused of shouting, take the shield, take the shield, which I can't disprove that I did.

01:22:00.000 So, simply put, the violence and all of the chaos from that day, you condemn.

01:22:04.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:22:05.000 I always have.

01:22:06.000 From the very beginning.

01:22:07.000 So how did it work out then with the plea deal you took?

01:22:10.000 What happened?

01:22:10.000 So in the plea deal, they dropped the felony charges against me.

01:22:13.000 They continued forward with the misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct with an intent to disrupt Congress.

01:22:19.000 However, as a piece of my plea deal, it included a document that they call the Statement of Offense.

01:22:27.000 And in the Statement of Offense, I, it was a condition that I basically confess to all of the things that they had originally accused me of.

01:22:37.000 So the statement of offense says, uh, I went onto the grounds knowing that the grounds were restricted.

01:22:43.000 When I went onto the grounds, I saw the crowd struggling with police officers and I encouraged the crowd to struggle with police officers.

01:22:50.000 I saw an officer having a shield ripped away and I shouted, uh, take it, take it.

01:22:55.000 They changed it, uh, from take the shield to take it, take it.

01:22:59.000 To encourage the crowd to take the shield and I told my attorney I was like I cannot sign this I will not sign this and so my attorney went back to them and said he he opposes this and They said well then he can go to trial if he has a problem with this this document so my option was take the deal as written or go to trial and I took the deal and So either lie or face a very serious... I'm not saying that.

01:23:26.000 Oh, okay.

01:23:26.000 So how did the sentencing go?

01:23:29.000 What happens next?

01:23:30.000 Do you go to the judge?

01:23:31.000 So I pled guilty to the misdemeanor.

01:23:34.000 So they continued my case five times over the course of a year, which was devastating and excruciating.

01:23:41.000 By the time we finally got to sentencing, which was almost an entire year, I was arrested on January 25th and I was sentenced on January 24th of the following year.

01:23:50.000 And, um, now you have to understand I have no criminal record.

01:23:54.000 This is a class B misdemeanor charge, which my lawyer said, you know, this is akin to playing your music too loud or class B misdemeanor.

01:24:04.000 And, um, and the judge... Real quick, driving on a suspended license is a class A. Okay.

01:24:08.000 It's like a, it's a harsher offense.

01:24:09.000 You get to a year in jail for that.

01:24:11.000 Right, okay, so Class B misdemeanor, which the judge herself referred to as a petty offense, I mean, it's classified as a petty offense, and I got sentenced to three months of house arrest, three years of probation, 60 hours of community service, the maximum fine of $5,000.

01:24:28.000 I was ordered to pay $500 restitution to the Capitol, although it was acknowledged that I didn't engage in any violence or vandalism or destruction to the Capitol in any way, shape, or form, and ordered to to engage in court-ordered mental health services.

01:24:44.000 So I had to go to a therapist court-ordered therapist and and The government, the prosecution, actually asked for, during my sentencing, the right to... So I've already been sentenced to three years of probation.

01:24:59.000 And the prosecution asked for the right to, as a condition of my three years of probation, that they have the right to surveil my phone, my computer, my email accounts, my bank accounts, and my social media accounts for the three years that I was on probation.

01:25:14.000 But the judge did not grant them that.

01:25:15.000 But they wanted it.

01:25:16.000 They wanted it.

01:25:17.000 So we're already doing that.

01:25:19.000 Right.

01:25:19.000 The judge was like, you don't need it.

01:25:21.000 What is probation?

01:25:22.000 What does that look like?

01:25:22.000 What does that mean?

01:25:24.000 Well, you know, at this point I'll say that I'm fortunate because I have a good probation officer.

01:25:32.000 She's never said anything to me to indicate how she feels about my case, but based off of the way she interacts with me, I get the indication that she sees the case for what it is and feels like she has better things to do with her time than be managing me on a constant basis.

01:25:50.000 But what does that mean for you?

01:25:52.000 When you wake up, do you have to call them?

01:25:54.000 How strict is it?

01:25:55.000 Do you want to go buy groceries?

01:25:56.000 They're like, you can't have milk, you're gaining weight, or something like that?

01:26:01.000 Thank you, thank you.

01:26:02.000 House arrest was like that.

01:26:04.000 I was quite literally not allowed to leave my house for three months unless I was doing community service, which was restricted.

01:26:10.000 I mean, it's 60 hours, so I had the option to leave my house for 60 hours to do community service.

01:26:15.000 They gave you an ankle monitor?

01:26:17.000 I had an ankle monitor during that three months, and she would make routine visits to my house, and I did occasionally have to leave and do a urinalysis and things like that.

01:26:30.000 Probation, now that I'm off house arrest, probation has not so far been particularly strict.

01:26:37.000 She's gone above and beyond to make sure that I have the right and ability to travel as needed.

01:26:43.000 She's not trying to restrict me from being able to move around and do the work that I need to do.

01:26:49.000 In fact, the only real inhibitions that I might ever face is, so, coming here to do this show or anywhere else I might need to go.

01:26:58.000 Let's just use as an example the state of California.

01:27:01.000 If I need to travel to the state of California for any business or, okay, Texas.

01:27:06.000 How about Texas?

01:27:07.000 Pleasure, you can say it.

01:27:09.000 If I need to travel to the state of Texas for any reason, she has to contact the district in Texas that I'm traveling to, their probation office, and then they have to, what's the purpose of his travel?

01:27:22.000 What's he doing?

01:27:22.000 Where is he staying?

01:27:23.000 What's his flight number?

01:27:24.000 Is he renting a car?

01:27:25.000 What's the rental car information?

01:27:26.000 So they have to gather all this information.

01:27:28.000 And then they make a determination about if they have any issue with me traveling there or not.

01:27:33.000 So it could technically happen, but so far has not happened yet.

01:27:37.000 And I've traveled to a number of blue districts where so far no one has caused an issue.

01:27:42.000 And in fact, I'll be going to Washington, D.C.

01:27:44.000 How do you feel about the response from independent conservative media starting with having that happen?

01:27:50.000 Do you feel that your story was accurately represented?

01:27:53.000 That would imply that there was any.

01:27:57.000 No, it's been terrible.

01:27:58.000 I mean, it's been terrible.

01:27:59.000 I've pushed really, really, really hard to get my story out, and I've gotten to the point where I've been successful.

01:28:06.000 I was interviewed by Mark Levin on LevinTV.

01:28:10.000 I just sat down with Tucker Carlson two weeks ago on Fox Nation.

01:28:13.000 So we sat down for an hour and that's on Fox Nation.

01:28:17.000 But these have all been the result of me pushing really hard for them to tell my story.

01:28:23.000 Very few people have come to me and been like, this story needs to get out.

01:28:27.000 People need to know what happened.

01:28:28.000 I think it's more of like a snowball rolling down a hill, you know?

01:28:31.000 I hadn't heard much about the story at all, and then we're hearing it now.

01:28:36.000 I'm sure a lot of people are going to hear it, and a lot of people are going to want to know more, and there's probably a bunch of questions we'll have.

01:28:40.000 I think more conversations will happen.

01:28:41.000 Well, I'm incredibly grateful to you, and thank you for having me on.

01:28:44.000 No, because honestly, as far as the internet goes, this is certainly the biggest exposure that I've had.

01:28:51.000 In terms of a podcast?

01:28:52.000 No, I mean that and and I mean, honestly, if there are people I mean, look, if you if you started a podcast yesterday, and you have 13, don't reach out to me.

01:29:00.000 I don't.

01:29:01.000 But I mean, for anybody out there who is a podcaster with a significant audience, I'm happy to come on and talk.

01:29:05.000 We booked you the same as we would have we booked anybody else like normal.

01:29:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:09.000 It wasn't there was no politics.

01:29:11.000 No debate.

01:29:11.000 Yeah.

01:29:12.000 I was just like, Hey, Brandon wants.

01:29:13.000 I was like, Oh, cool.

01:29:14.000 What would you do different if there was like another or what advice would you give if people wanted to protest legally at the Capitol and there was something akin to what happened?

01:29:22.000 How would you do it differently and how would you advise people to go about that situation and not get into trouble but still get the point across?

01:29:29.000 Such a great question.

01:29:31.000 So I think probably the biggest lesson I learned from this was two things.

01:29:36.000 Number one, we do absolutely exist in a two-tiered system of justice.

01:29:40.000 So if you are a conservative You're under much more scrutiny than perhaps if you support the Black Lives Matter movement or if you're a member of Antifa or a number of left-wing protesters who do this kind of thing all the time like Jane Fonda who stood exactly where I stood five Fridays in a row protesting climate change.

01:29:58.000 And was arrested five Fridays in a row and had her charges dropped for all five times that she was arrested.

01:30:05.000 So there is a two-tiered system of justice.

01:30:07.000 So you need to be aware that if trouble breaks out, get the hell out of there as fast as you can, because you can find yourself ensnared in something unwittingly and they're not going to let you off.

01:30:19.000 I mean, their favorite thing in the world is to put out a headline that says, Trump, rioter, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

01:30:25.000 And you could be a 67 year old woman with no criminal record. 1.00

01:30:28.000 You could be 73 years old.

01:30:30.000 They don't care.

01:30:30.000 As long as they get the Trump, rioter headline, that's all that's important.

01:30:34.000 The second thing I would say is be really, really aware that there could be a lot more going on than what you're

01:30:41.000 witnessing with your own eyes.

01:30:42.000 I mean, that to me personally is probably the biggest lesson.

01:30:45.000 I didn't stop to consider that this is a four-sided building with people on all four sides and that there could be something much larger going on on any of these sides than what I was witnessing with my own eyes.

01:30:57.000 It's almost like the jurisdiction is so big it should be quadranted off so that you would only charge people in certain quadrants with activity within that quadrant.

01:31:04.000 That would be fair.

01:31:05.000 That's like a city block.

01:31:06.000 You don't arrest a guy on the west side of the city block like somebody on the east side did.

01:31:10.000 That would be fair.

01:31:12.000 And that's, again, to me, one of the biggest failures from the conservative media.

01:31:17.000 I have made that point to people like Tucker Carlson.

01:31:20.000 Brilliant people.

01:31:21.000 Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson.

01:31:23.000 Almost everyone I talk to says, wow, I didn't even think of that.

01:31:25.000 And I'm like, yeah, I mean, there were any, you could be arrested on January 6th for being on Capitol grounds and throwing a gum wrapper on the ground and, you know, get a littering charge, but you're still going to be listed MAGA rioter arrested on January 6th because you happen to be anywhere in the vicinity of that building and got arrested.

01:31:45.000 I mean, I honestly do believe that what happened to me is absurd, but if, you know, if they had come to me and said, look, you're a big influencer, you've got a large audience, we're charging you with a misdemeanor of disorderly conduct, I would have been like,

01:32:02.000 OK, I mean, if you really feel like you need to do this, fine.

01:32:05.000 But the idea that I was at one point possibly facing three felony charges for eight minutes that I stood outside of the Capitol holding a camera in my hands.

01:32:16.000 They acknowledged there was never one moment where anyone said, we think you might have been violent.

01:32:21.000 We think you might have been vandalizing.

01:32:25.000 We think you might have been destroying property.

01:32:27.000 They said from the beginning, we know you didn't do any of those things, but we do think that They, they said that they thought that that was my voice.

01:32:35.000 I don't believe that they thought that, but they said that they thought that that was my voice.

01:32:40.000 And, um, that was the harshest thing.

01:32:42.000 I mean, that was the biggest thing that I was accused of was saying the words, take it, take it.

01:32:46.000 And, um, I ended up at one point almost facing three felony charges of that because on the other side of the building, crazy things were happening.

01:32:56.000 They want to make an example, I suppose.

01:32:58.000 Well they weren't even, that wasn't even a secret.

01:33:00.000 In the 30 page sentencing recommendation that they wrote on my misdemeanor charge, they said numerous times, you should read it, oh man.

01:33:09.000 You wanna know something funny?

01:33:11.000 What?

01:33:11.000 I got charged with a class, I brought up the suspended license thing because I've been charged with a class A misdemeanor once.

01:33:15.000 You know what my penalty was?

01:33:16.000 What?

01:33:17.000 It was I think a $150 fine.

01:33:19.000 Well, good for you!

01:33:19.000 And they said, and they said, that, uh... My fine's bigger than your fine. Well, no, no, my point is, the absurdity of

01:33:24.000 what you went through in a Class B disorderly conduct. Yeah.

01:33:27.000 So, uh, when I was, I think I told this story before, I was, uh, I think I was 19 or 20. I didn't know that if you got

01:33:33.000 two speeding tickets, they suspended your license. And I didn't, what I didn't, I was gonna fight one of them,

01:33:38.000 because it was bunk.

01:33:40.000 It was a bad ticket.

01:33:41.000 But I was like, it's easier just to pay it.

01:33:43.000 And I asked a family member just to cover it for me instead of having to deal with going to court.

01:33:46.000 I didn't realize that was an admission of guilt.

01:33:48.000 I was like 19.

01:33:49.000 And so then I'm driving back from Colorado.

01:33:51.000 I get pulled over.

01:33:52.000 The cop says, you're under arrest, suspended license.

01:33:54.000 And I was like, what?

01:33:54.000 I was like, I was in Colorado.

01:33:55.000 I just got back.

01:33:56.000 I had no idea.

01:33:57.000 And they were like, tell it to a judge.

01:33:58.000 So I got I-bonded.

01:33:59.000 They didn't even arrest me.

01:34:00.000 They take me out of the car.

01:34:01.000 They say, you've been formally arrested.

01:34:03.000 Here's your ticket.

01:34:04.000 Here's your court date.

01:34:05.000 That's it.

01:34:06.000 I went to court.

01:34:07.000 Prosecutors said class A misdemeanor, one year in jail, $2,500 fine, maximum penalty.

01:34:11.000 If you plead guilty, $150.

01:34:12.000 And I was like, okay.

01:34:15.000 So that's it.

01:34:16.000 And it's a longer, the longer story is like I told the judge I was being coerced because

01:34:20.000 they were threatening me with a year in jail and he told me to get a lawyer, talk to a

01:34:23.000 lawyer.

01:34:24.000 Ultimately I said, I guess I'll plead guilty.

01:34:26.000 And they said, 150 bucks, you can pay it right now and you're done and this is off your record.

01:34:30.000 And I was like, wow, for a class A misdemeanor.

01:34:32.000 Tim's like, I could make way more than that in the year that I would be in prison.

01:34:35.000 Right.

01:34:36.000 Opportunity costs, exactly.

01:34:37.000 But the reality was, a year in jail was never on the table.

01:34:40.000 No judge or jury would sentence someone to that, right?

01:34:42.000 They always try to scare you with the maximum.

01:34:44.000 But a 30-page sentencing recommendation on a Class B misdemeanor?

01:34:48.000 Oh yeah.

01:34:48.000 Some doesn't add up.

01:34:49.000 No, no, no.

01:34:50.000 And, you know, they went through my social media.

01:34:53.000 I was actually going to bring this up earlier when you were talking about people taking your your video clip out of context where you were talking about the the weapons and stuff.

01:35:01.000 Nukes! 0.89

01:35:02.000 I mean imagine if it wasn't left-wing trolls but the Department of Justice that's doing that to you because that's literally In my 30-page sentencing recommendation, and again, people can look this up for themselves.

01:35:13.000 It's all over online.

01:35:15.000 They, a number of times, they went through my tweets and things like that, and they would take words out of different tweets and string a sentence together.

01:35:24.000 Like, I'm not making this up.

01:35:25.000 It's in there.

01:35:25.000 Like, one of the sentences in my sentencing recommendation, because they wanted me in prison, by the way.

01:35:31.000 They wanted prison time for my eight minutes outside of the Capitol holding a camera.

01:35:36.000 And one of the things that they said was, you know, if you look at Mr. Strzok's Twitter, he tells the Patriots that we are in a civil war and that we've got to fight back if we don't want to.

01:35:49.000 I mean, literally, these are all from different tweets.

01:35:51.000 And they strung together a sentence.

01:35:53.000 The Washington Post, look it up, the Washington Post did a story saying MAGA Influencer was calling for a civil war about me.

01:36:01.000 It's a story about me calling for a civil war.

01:36:03.000 I'm like, I was on the steps with my camera!

01:36:06.000 You know?

01:36:06.000 But that's what this is.

01:36:08.000 These are press releases.

01:36:10.000 You saw what they did with Trump.

01:36:12.000 He re-truthed someone who said Civil War and they were like, Trump calls for a Civil War.

01:36:15.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:36:15.000 It was probably me.

01:36:16.000 Washington Post, it says January 6th Influencers.

01:36:19.000 Oh, they changed the title.

01:36:21.000 Originally it said Brandon Strock, Stuart Rhodes, both call for Civil War, quote.

01:36:25.000 And then it would go to the website, they changed it, Jan 6 Influencers.

01:36:28.000 Call for civil war. 0.80

01:36:29.000 Oh, well, that's better.

01:36:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:31.000 Okay.

01:36:32.000 No defamation now.

01:36:33.000 Here's the new story.

01:36:33.000 Donald Trump re-truthed someone who said the word civil war.

01:36:36.000 That's the story.

01:36:36.000 That's it.

01:36:37.000 If you didn't say civil... What you can infer from that is... If you didn't call for civil war, is this a defamation case?

01:36:41.000 The Washington Post claiming you did?

01:36:43.000 So, the tweet that I put out that they got that from was me saying, make your peace right now with the fact that we're in a civil war.

01:36:51.000 I said, we didn't want it and we didn't call for it, but they've started it, something.

01:36:55.000 Now, I want to even clarify that statement.

01:36:58.000 When we talk about a modern civil war, we're not talking about people grabbing their muskets and going out and like, you know, going to the battlefield or something.

01:37:06.000 I'm talking about being banned from, like I have been, banned from using PayPal, Venmo, Stripe.

01:37:12.000 I'm not allowed to send funds back and forth.

01:37:14.000 People are literally having their bank accounts shut down.

01:37:16.000 That's what a modern civil war looks like.

01:37:18.000 It looks like when people have a political ideology and they control all the technology and they're preventing people from being able to exist in the digital space.

01:37:27.000 That, to me, is what a modern civil war looks like.

01:37:30.000 Let's go to one more time.

01:37:31.000 Well, it's I kind of wanted to ask you something.

01:37:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:34.000 Is that OK?

01:37:35.000 So when I got out of jail, I was having a really hard time, you know, and everyone was advising me, don't don't open the news.

01:37:45.000 Don't Google yourself and don't open your social media, which I held out for about two weeks before it was just like nagging at me.

01:37:52.000 And I was like, what are they saying?

01:37:53.000 What are they saying?

01:37:54.000 So one of the first things that I saw was a piece you did while I was still in jail and basically in that you were reading through the story of my arrest document and what I was being accused of and things like that and if I recall correctly and I think I do you were basically being objective and kind of neutral and saying like well wow if he did this then you know and I think you were feeling a certain kind of way about it.

01:38:17.000 Do you feel in retrospect Like, you didn't understand what they were doing with January 6th.

01:38:24.000 Like, did you think it was possible that I would, like, go to the Capitol and try to be like, let's F up some police officers today and let's... But yeah, I mean, it's like what you said, when you've got a video showing all people doing these things, and then there was a video that you were posting showing you on the Capitol grounds, right?

01:38:41.000 We... I'm not, I'm not omniscient.

01:38:43.000 I know.

01:38:43.000 And I'm not mad at you.

01:38:44.000 And I'm not mad at you.

01:38:45.000 Right, I assume you're up there with everybody, yelling these things or whatever, you know

01:38:48.000 what I mean?

01:38:49.000 You thought I got carried away?

01:38:52.000 Yeah I mean I thought a lot of it was, I've long maintained, like they open the doors

01:38:57.000 They fan people in they were the cops are taking selfies with people.

01:39:00.000 And some people were fighting.

01:39:02.000 And we saw you know, everything like Ritchie McGinnis captured.

01:39:04.000 So I certainly didn't think you like ripped your shirt off and we're swinging or anything like that.

01:39:09.000 But the idea that you could have been with a crowd of people and you were filming and or yelling something I was like, I mean, it's it's plausible.

01:39:16.000 Sure, and I guess to that point too, this is the reason why I brought this up earlier and I didn't really clarify this.

01:39:23.000 When I made the comment about not being able to live stream and therefore recording a video to my camera roll, the reason why, in my opinion, that's relevant is I made a conscious decision to go back to my hotel and upload my video to Twitter.

01:39:36.000 I wasn't streaming live and something broke out and I got caught up in the moment.

01:39:41.000 And then I was like, Oh God, I just did that on camera in front of my followers.

01:39:44.000 And like, I made a decision later to upload my video to Twitter to my conservative law and order pro-police base on Twitter who would hate seeing me encouraging an attack on a police officer.

01:40:00.000 Now, to be clear, I've already pled guilty to this misdemeanor and I've already confessed to the accusation against me.

01:40:07.000 I'm just saying, I think a reasonable person should ask themselves, why would I do that?

01:40:13.000 Why would I, even if I got carried away in the moment and decided to jump in with what the audience was doing, make a decision later to show my audience that?

01:40:23.000 Who would hate it?

01:40:24.000 We've got to go to Super Chats.

01:40:26.000 But we've got to go to Super Chats.

01:40:28.000 We're 10 minutes behind.

01:40:30.000 I'll ask you after the show.

01:40:32.000 You know, we often point out the media lies, but I also often point out that we still use a lot of these same sources and we do our best to try and verify a lot of it.

01:40:42.000 If what I was reading was untrue, and it appears that it was, I am sincerely sorry if I presented any false narrative about what actually happened with you based on my inaccurate assessments.

01:40:52.000 Well, I do not accept your apology.

01:40:53.000 Well, that's okay. So, all right. Time to rip the shirts off. And I'm done with you.

01:40:57.000 Right. Fine. It's a challenge. It is. It's, you know, like I said, I'm like reading court documents and I'm like, wow,

01:41:05.000 you know, if that's true. I try to be skeptical of a lot of things.

01:41:06.000 It sounds so weird. To be clear, I was never upset with you about it and I really did feel like you were doing your job.

01:41:11.000 I, it, it, no.

01:41:13.000 The only part that sucked was being, I mean immediately, I got out of jail and the very next morning I saw my attorney and my attorney said, do not go, don't post, don't make a statement, don't say any, and he said, I don't care, and that was part of the reason why they said don't read the news and don't open your social media because he knew I would be reactionary.

01:41:30.000 And he was like, just avoid it because you cannot respond.

01:41:33.000 So when I'm seeing like people like you, you know, who are just kind of like, wow, I, you know, if he, if he did this and I'm going, but I didn't, but I did, you know?

01:41:40.000 And yeah.

01:41:41.000 Let's, uh, let's go to super chats.

01:41:42.000 Cause we're a little behind and we gotta, we gotta see a lot of people have questions.

01:41:45.000 If you haven't already, uh, please smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show.

01:41:49.000 If you're a big fan, uh, head over to timcast.com.

01:41:51.000 We're gonna have a members only show coming up at about 11 PM.

01:41:55.000 Let's read some more.

01:41:55.000 We got here.

01:41:57.000 The one free man says, if they were trying to avoid a civil war conflict, someone would be thrown under the bus for this.

01:42:03.000 At this point, they're flaunting they cannot be touched.

01:42:06.000 They know the people are getting pushed to the breaking point.

01:42:08.000 And that's reference to Sussman, I believe.

01:42:10.000 So these are the super chats from earlier in the show.

01:42:15.000 So yeah.

01:42:15.000 Reggie, 1971 says, a Russia, Russia gate reporter winning a Pulitzer was like Milli Vanilli winning a Grammy.

01:42:22.000 Beautiful.

01:42:24.000 Tom B'Amour says, Brandon, pleading was a mistake.

01:42:27.000 People who take it the easy way out are the exact reason why the government thinks that they can get away with

01:42:31.000 behavior like they displayed at Ruby Ridge.

01:42:33.000 Well, Tom, maybe the FBI will come to your house at some point and you'll find yourself in the position I was in and

01:42:40.000 you can show us how it's done.

01:42:41.000 This is, uh, it's tough, man.

01:42:44.000 I don't know how I would respond in a situation like you are in.

01:42:47.000 There's a story I've told about when I was facing a disorderly conduct charge.

01:42:53.000 They told me it was 20 hours community service at my own discretion.

01:42:56.000 And I demanded a jury trial.

01:42:58.000 And they ultimately dismissed the charge because of it.

01:43:00.000 Very different from the FBI.

01:43:01.000 January 6th.

01:43:02.000 This is January 6th.

01:43:03.000 I would 100% be found guilty. 100%.

01:43:07.000 Feds have like what is like a 99 percent conviction rate.

01:43:09.000 Wow.

01:43:10.000 Yeah.

01:43:10.000 Not like state level stuff.

01:43:11.000 So it's my point ultimately is like it's easy for a lot of people to say, you know, I would go for it.

01:43:17.000 I typically say stuff like this, but I wouldn't I wouldn't even I wouldn't know where to begin something like this when you've got the weight of the federal government.

01:43:24.000 Yes.

01:43:24.000 And you see what's going on around this.

01:43:25.000 You see like look at what's going on with Sussman and all this stuff.

01:43:28.000 Yeah, and they're telling people they're gonna add additional charges, they're gonna add terrorism enhancements, and you've got polls coming out saying that 67% of potential jurors believe that every January 6th person is guilty.

01:43:39.000 Like, they won't release jurisdiction.

01:43:41.000 No, all these trials have to happen in D.C.

01:43:43.000 with a D.C.

01:43:44.000 judge and a D.C.

01:43:45.000 jury.

01:43:46.000 No.

01:43:46.000 I will say though, knowing the bias, you see what happened with the January 20th Antifa, J17, I'm sorry, J20th, the 2017 rioters, the city of DC actually paid them.

01:43:59.000 Why?

01:44:00.000 They, the police, because they were all wearing blacklock, couldn't figure out who did what, so they charged them with conspiracy, lost, and then a lawsuit was filed and the city was forced to pay out millions of dollars. 0.97

01:44:09.000 And they went around smashing windows starting fires burn a torch to limousine. It was it was nuts

01:44:15.000 I was there when they were the police were fighting their flashbangs all over place

01:44:18.000 I'm pretty sure Luke was there as well, but it was mostly peaceful fires

01:44:21.000 Mostly.

01:44:22.000 Yep.

01:44:22.000 I actually got arrested that day.

01:44:24.000 Um, but I was not processed.

01:44:26.000 I was cut loose when I, you know, I waved over to a... He's just bragging at this point about all the times he's gotten off.

01:44:32.000 Congratulations, guys.

01:44:33.000 Nothing ever sticks to me.

01:44:34.000 Yeah, nothing sticks.

01:44:35.000 You know, I made a call to Bill.

01:44:36.000 I was like, Billy!

01:44:38.000 What's up, Mr. Gates?

01:44:39.000 Uh, yeah, I'm being arrested.

01:44:40.000 You called him?

01:44:41.000 Awesome.

01:44:42.000 And then Epstein was there and they were like... You're part of the Cabal team.

01:44:45.000 And Santa Claus.

01:44:46.000 I remember it all so clearly.

01:44:47.000 Hillary Clinton gave me a hug and she's like, I'm so sorry that happened to you.

01:44:50.000 No, this was, um, I stood next to some journalist and kept my mouth shut.

01:44:54.000 And then when the, when the news organization called it in, I waved to the cop and he's like, where's your press pass?

01:44:58.000 And I showed him as I get out of here.

01:45:00.000 So I was in that group of, of the people who got, uh, arrested.

01:45:04.000 And I'd like to say thank you to these Antifa people because I was pepper sprayed and they gave me the, uh, milk of magnesia or whatever stuff.

01:45:11.000 So, like, my neck was sprayed directly, and it was burning.

01:45:15.000 And they have Maalox.

01:45:17.000 What is that stuff?

01:45:18.000 That's for heartburn.

01:45:19.000 Oh, okay.

01:45:19.000 Yeah, I don't think that's it.

01:45:20.000 No, that's what they spray for pepper spray. 0.89

01:45:22.000 Not milk and magnesia.

01:45:23.000 And so they were, like, I was like, dude, when you get a direct blast of pepper spray right on your neck, and I'm just like, I can't get it off, and so they sprayed it.

01:45:30.000 That's like capsaicin. 0.99

01:45:32.000 Shut up. 1.00

01:45:32.000 Yeah, yeah, shut up. 1.00

01:45:35.000 All right. 0.99

01:45:37.000 I, Kefka says, Seamus says he will love you forever.

01:45:40.000 Who is you?

01:45:41.000 It's a good question, so if you go over to freedomtunes.com to the members section and you give $5 a month, it says, it says as one of the tiers, I will, you know, I will love you forever if you give $5 a month and it says, and I followed through, I will love you.

01:45:51.000 That's right.

01:45:52.000 He's the real deal.

01:45:53.000 That's right.

01:45:53.000 Thank you, Ian.

01:45:56.000 But that is actually what they're referencing.

01:45:58.000 That was not just a, you know, in my usual style, a shameless plug.

01:46:01.000 That is what it says in the $5 a month subscription.

01:46:04.000 Joseph Garcia says Trump lost because Tim voted for him.

01:46:08.000 Oh.

01:46:08.000 What does that mean?

01:46:09.000 I don't know.

01:46:09.000 You jinxed it.

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:12.000 Do you think that's real?

01:46:13.000 Jinxing?

01:46:14.000 No one I've ever voted for has ever won, so yes.

01:46:18.000 Philip Reid says, Hey Tim, I used to have some hope that police were good.

01:46:22.000 Until I saw the body cam footage from the George Floyd riots where the police went around in unmarked vans, shooting at people with 40mm rubber bullets and laughing while making jokes.

01:46:31.000 Wow, I don't remember that one.

01:46:32.000 Do you guys remember that one?

01:46:33.000 Negative.

01:46:33.000 That's crazy sounding.

01:46:34.000 Is that real?

01:46:35.000 Don't know.

01:46:37.000 What is this?

01:46:39.000 Oh, of course.

01:46:40.000 You don't gotta ask.

01:46:42.000 Brandon's like, can I promote stuff?

01:46:43.000 I'm like, yeah.

01:46:44.000 Oh, of course, yeah.

01:46:45.000 He's being very polite.

01:46:47.000 We'll read Super Chats, and then before we wrap, we'll do... Yeah, perfect.

01:46:51.000 Here's me shamelessly plugging my website.

01:46:53.000 He's like, hold on a second.

01:46:53.000 That's what it reminded me of.

01:46:55.000 He's like, please sir, please sir, may I promote something?

01:47:00.000 Jason Lindholm says gas price in Far West Burbs, Aurora, Illinois and West is $5.55.

01:47:04.000 Yeah, I just paid $5.50 today on the way back from Ohio.

01:47:08.000 It was crazy time.

01:47:10.000 Did it feel like Joe Biden was- Sucking my soul out of my body is what it felt like.

01:47:15.000 I'm going to put this in the minds of everybody so you can never escape.

01:47:17.000 I'm taking my headphones off.

01:47:18.000 While you're pumping gas every time, as you pump, Joe Biden's hands go up on your shoulders and he crawls up behind you and- I'm just pumping away.

01:47:27.000 That's gross.

01:47:28.000 And while you're pumping, you're like, let me let go.

01:47:31.000 Remember the Kyle Rittenhouse meme where he's holding the gas pump and crying?

01:47:36.000 And then the gas started dripping down the sidewalk towards my foot.

01:47:38.000 I was like, oh, no, no, no.

01:47:41.000 If you've ever seen like a bartender pour like an expensive shot, they have like an eyedropper and they're like very careful.

01:47:47.000 They'll make sure the drips go back in.

01:47:49.000 Cause it's expensive.

01:47:49.000 That's what it's like with gas now.

01:47:51.000 It's like a drop goes, hits the ground and you're like, no.

01:47:54.000 I'm always trying to catch it when you pull it out and you try to swirl it around so it doesn't drip on the ground.

01:47:59.000 It's no good.

01:48:00.000 Michael McCord says, couple Tim's sarcastic gas price rant with Ian's stoplight Tesla convo idea make the Grey Poupon commercial.

01:48:08.000 What?

01:48:09.000 Stoplight Tesla.

01:48:10.000 I got that part.

01:48:11.000 What was the first one?

01:48:12.000 The one to mix together?

01:48:13.000 My fake rant about gas prices.

01:48:15.000 It's great, dude.

01:48:16.000 Satanic Muffin says, bring on Malice or expose my phallus.

01:48:20.000 Michael Malice has an open invitation to come on the show whenever he wants.

01:48:23.000 But he's got his own show.

01:48:24.000 And so, you know, just yell at him until he comes on the show.

01:48:28.000 He will return in the sequel.

01:48:30.000 The great malicious return.

01:48:32.000 Waffle Sensei says, I voted for Biden in the Democratic primaries because I thought Biden was the weakest of all the candidates and easiest for Trump to beat.

01:48:39.000 Obviously, the joke is on me now, but the parties do vote in each other's primaries.

01:48:42.000 Fair point, fair point.

01:48:46.000 Glenn Wellen says, Great show, Tim.

01:48:48.000 My guess is the Democrats flipping just to sabotage is actually just them trying to justify the clear Republican advantage in the votes.

01:48:54.000 Hmm.

01:48:55.000 Right.

01:48:55.000 That's what I was thinking.

01:48:56.000 Maybe.

01:48:57.000 I also wonder if people are like, I'm, I'm voting Republican because I met at Trump.

01:49:02.000 That explains it.

01:49:03.000 And they're secretly like, I hope Trump wins, you know?

01:49:05.000 I hope the Republicans take this one.

01:49:08.000 Melissa Wood says, GA voter here.

01:49:10.000 I have never voted in the primary until May 24th for Kemp.

01:49:13.000 It's a far more complex issue than Trump.

01:49:15.000 We've had experience with Kemp and Purdue.

01:49:17.000 Trump has more poll with unknown candidates, i.e.

01:49:20.000 JD Vance.

01:49:22.000 Hmm.

01:49:23.000 Interesting.

01:49:25.000 B.I.

01:49:25.000 says, Tim, I love the American flag behind the Irish guy.

01:49:29.000 Do you have a merch store?

01:49:30.000 I'd buy it.

01:49:30.000 The flag is the flag, not the Irish guy.

01:49:33.000 No, you're not supposed to buy the Irish guy.

01:49:34.000 Unbelievable.

01:49:35.000 Not anymore.

01:49:35.000 I'm also an Irish guy.

01:49:37.000 Oh, nice.

01:49:37.000 Me too.

01:49:38.000 We're talking about doing woke commercials for Tim Guest IRL.

01:49:43.000 And like when we mention our diversity, we point to Seamus as our minority.

01:49:45.000 Thank you for growing the beard.

01:49:47.000 Like, I'm a woman, actually.

01:49:48.000 That's true, yeah.

01:49:50.000 Neil Williams says, I only became more conservative because of COVID.

01:49:53.000 I don't like fear being the reason for losing our rights.

01:49:56.000 Remember 9-11?

01:49:57.000 Because of fear, we got the Patriot Act.

01:49:59.000 Keep calm and carry on, in my opinion.

01:50:00.000 I remember it every day.

01:50:01.000 Thank you.

01:50:02.000 Man, that Patriot Act, that 9-11, the response to 9-11 was so extreme.

01:50:08.000 Oh, just to live through that, man.

01:50:10.000 Wow.

01:50:11.000 I never want to live through something like that again. 1.00

01:50:12.000 And I was so stupid. 1.00

01:50:13.000 I was one of those stupid liberals back then. 1.00

01:50:15.000 I was like, well, if you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care if the government's watching you? 1.00

01:50:19.000 Like, how did that break?

01:50:20.000 Yeah.

01:50:22.000 Moxie Marlon Spike.

01:50:23.000 I don't know if you guys have ever heard of him.

01:50:25.000 He made a really great point.

01:50:25.000 I interviewed him once.

01:50:26.000 He I think he created Signal.

01:50:28.000 Was it Signal?

01:50:28.000 Oh, yeah, I think so.

01:50:29.000 I love that.

01:50:30.000 And everybody was a Signal.

01:50:31.000 So this is the guy who made it.

01:50:33.000 He said the easiest, the simple thing if why the government shouldn't spy on you.

01:50:38.000 He says we are seeing marijuana legalization across this country.

01:50:41.000 But it was illegal across this country.

01:50:44.000 How did people know they wanted it to be legal?

01:50:46.000 They were doing it.

01:50:48.000 If the government can spy on everything you do, there's never an opportunity for society to reflect and change its mind because no one can engage with things that are illegal, lest you go to jail.

01:50:57.000 That's an interesting point.

01:50:58.000 Yeah, it is.

01:50:59.000 Yeah, it is.

01:51:00.000 All right.

01:51:01.000 Mo Ma says, Dr. Carolyn stood up for you that whole time.

01:51:06.000 Yeah.

01:51:09.000 All right.

01:51:10.000 Jeremy Abramson says, Hey Brandon, from a member of the Fundamentalist Religious Right, you have fantastic eyebrows.

01:51:17.000 Oh, thank you.

01:51:18.000 There's actually a Twitter account dedicated to my eyebrows.

01:51:21.000 What's the name of that account?

01:51:22.000 It's Brandon Strock's Eyebrows.

01:51:23.000 That's great.

01:51:24.000 That's a real Twitter account.

01:51:25.000 Pamela White says, Jan 6th congressional hearings will be the tipping point for Midwest Americans, truth be told.

01:51:31.000 You know, that's a great point too.

01:51:33.000 This is a good one. Tom Pini says Brandon's story reminds me of the stories in the Gulag archipelago

01:51:38.000 Archipelago, they would make people sign ridiculous documents for crimes

01:51:42.000 They didn't even commit and still torture them and send them to the Gulag scary 0.86

01:51:46.000 We got Viva Frye in the chair Is it Frye or is it Frey?

01:51:51.000 Hello, Frye.

01:51:51.000 Frey.

01:51:52.000 Frey?

01:51:52.000 I think it's Frey.

01:51:53.000 Frey hate.

01:51:54.000 Frey?

01:51:55.000 Viva says, it's not just the excessive sentence and fines. 1.00

01:51:58.000 Imagine the excessive costs of enforcing these idiotic sanctions. 0.99

01:52:01.000 The parole officer of the court costs state-funded persecution. 1.00

01:52:04.000 Yeah, and time.

01:52:05.000 Time is valuable.

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:08.000 That's right.

01:52:09.000 Australians versus the agendas as I got thrown in jail for three months in Australia.

01:52:13.000 Five months parole for organizing a protest.

01:52:15.000 Taken to a super max jail given six charges.

01:52:18.000 Nobody got sanctioned worse.

01:52:20.000 Google Anthony Kalouf.

01:52:22.000 Interesting.

01:52:25.000 All right.

01:52:27.000 Soleil Cucumber Lime says Democrat orthodoxy is based on humiliation.

01:52:32.000 It's a communist propaganda technique.

01:52:34.000 I'm a registered D. Will never vote for these people ever again.

01:52:37.000 Yes.

01:52:38.000 Yeah, I won't.

01:52:39.000 I won't.

01:52:40.000 There's nothing they could do.

01:52:41.000 And they're like, we need a moderate, you know, Democrat.

01:52:44.000 And they talk about Beto. 0.94

01:52:45.000 And I'm like, get out of here with these authoritarian crackpots. 0.92

01:52:47.000 Beto O'Rourke was like, heck yeah, we're taking your guns. 0.91

01:52:50.000 Or you're taking your AR-15.

01:52:51.000 Now he's like, I don't want to take anything from anybody. 0.99

01:52:52.000 Shut up. 1.00

01:52:53.000 Duplicitous. 1.00

01:52:54.000 A bunch of kids died.

01:52:55.000 He saw it as an opportunity to grandstand.

01:52:57.000 Yeah, good for him.

01:52:59.000 Touchy subject, says Tim is right.

01:53:00.000 There is no pedo-cabal and we will, uh, Hillary Clinton, anybody who says otherwise, just ask Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and Jimmy Seville.

01:53:07.000 So let me, let me, uh, clarify.

01:53:10.000 Uh, yeah, Epstein was real.

01:53:12.000 Everybody, we know that.

01:53:13.000 Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted, but, uh, her customers, where are they?

01:53:16.000 No crime.

01:53:18.000 And, uh, my point was more specifically about the actual political class.

01:53:22.000 I don't know the extent to which Epstein, you know, reached.

01:53:24.000 We know about the plane, we know about the little black book, we know about the people who are going to that island.

01:53:28.000 A lot of questions that need to be answered.

01:53:30.000 Joe Biden literally sniffs kids.

01:53:32.000 Okay.

01:53:33.000 Yeah.

01:53:33.000 I, I, I, my, my point is guys, we know the Epstein stuff is legit, but as bad as it is, it was literally powerful elites getting on a plane and flying to an Island.

01:53:43.000 Right.

01:53:44.000 Creepy stuff.

01:53:45.000 Also the FBI swarmed the Island and, uh, ostensibly there was some evidence there of some people's wrongdoing and yet no one was charged with anything.

01:53:55.000 Interesting.

01:53:57.000 I always make a joke about Luke going to the island.

01:53:59.000 Yeah.

01:54:00.000 But Luke's not here, so I was like, I can't really make that joke.

01:54:02.000 So, Luke Rutkowski, after the raid, he went and he filmed and documented parts of the island, so I always tell people, like, Luke's been to Epstein Island!

01:54:09.000 And they go, whoa, whoa.

01:54:10.000 He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, not like that.

01:54:12.000 Not like that, not like that.

01:54:17.000 A. Murray says, Tim, Armalite needs a rebranding.

01:54:20.000 Also considering the Fed is likely listening because of Brandon, dangerous criminal.

01:54:24.000 Abolish the government.

01:54:24.000 Black flag.

01:54:26.000 I love how, like, when you see a black flag on Twitter, you don't know if it's a good black flag or a bad black flag because the woke authoritarians use a black flag, too, because they don't know what anarchy means, I guess.

01:54:36.000 Yeah, I guess not.

01:54:37.000 And they just, like, but then, like, I periodically see people with black flags and, like, we're in total agreement. 0.74

01:54:42.000 And I'm like, OK, it's one of the good anarchists.

01:54:46.000 It's kind of like the LGBT flag too, quite honestly. 0.97

01:54:49.000 When I see it, I just automatically assume it's like a lunatic. 0.98

01:54:52.000 And then every once in a while they're like, no, I'm a gay Trump supporter too. 1.00

01:54:55.000 And I'm like, oh, take the stupid rainbow down. 1.00

01:54:58.000 It's misleading. 0.99

01:54:58.000 I think, I think Christians need to bring the rainbow back. 0.99

01:55:04.000 Why don't we put a rainbow flag behind you? 0.98

01:55:09.000 You know, I think it might send a different message than I would be intending to send with it.

01:55:12.000 If it was like an actual full-fledged rainbow, maybe we do got to take it back.

01:55:15.000 Was that a Christian thing?

01:55:17.000 And also a Jewish thing, right?

01:55:19.000 The flood God sent a rainbow to promise he wouldn't flood the world again.

01:55:23.000 Really?

01:55:23.000 Yeah.

01:55:24.000 Take it back! 0.77

01:55:25.000 I saw this rainbow when I was driving across the country, and then all of a sudden it appeared into a huge rainbow.

01:55:30.000 I saw like a bit of it, I thought it was the whole rainbow, and then all of a sudden I could see the whole rainbow.

01:55:33.000 Yeah, I can see full circle rainbows sometimes.

01:55:35.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:55:36.000 The last says, Strock did the right thing.

01:55:39.000 DC juries or judges could have given him 20 years for doing nothing but supporting Trump.

01:55:43.000 Thank you.

01:55:44.000 I will say too as well, considering what we're seeing with the Clinton, Russiagate stuff, and how these people walk, these are DC jurors.

01:55:52.000 Oh, it's all swamp.

01:55:53.000 It's all swamp.

01:55:54.000 Don't you also have to hire a D.C.

01:55:55.000 lawyer?

01:55:56.000 Nick Cercei was talking about that when he was here.

01:55:58.000 No, my lawyer was not a D.C.

01:55:59.000 lawyer.

01:56:00.000 Okay, okay.

01:56:01.000 But I will tell you- Well, thank you for correcting that, then.

01:56:03.000 Yeah, no worries.

01:56:04.000 But I will tell you that, although they do- And it's possible that Nick Cercei did not say that.

01:56:07.000 I don't want to put that on him either.

01:56:09.000 I could have misremembered.

01:56:10.000 There is some sort of certification that you have to have to be able to practice in that jurisdiction, and my lawyer who was a Nebraska lawyer was certified to do that.

01:56:20.000 The one thing I was going to say really quickly is that almost every lawyer who's making their way through these cases, including mine who had decades of federal trial experience, They've never seen anything like this.

01:56:33.000 I mean, all of them are coming out of this and being like, what just happened?

01:56:37.000 Because they've never seen a DOJ so weaponized before.

01:56:41.000 We are, we are in a political civil war.

01:56:43.000 Yeah.

01:56:43.000 Oh, well, you said it, not me.

01:56:45.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

01:56:46.000 I mean, I say civil war all the time.

01:56:48.000 But what I'm saying is right now, we talk about civil war when I do, at least I don't speak for anybody else.

01:56:54.000 I mean, like a broad, big picture of an era of conflict, which will culminate in some kind of dramatic moment.

01:57:00.000 I don't know exactly what will happen.

01:57:02.000 We can we can take we had Stephen Marshall, the show who wrote the book, The Next Civil War, and he says civil strife, which is the precursor to civil war.

01:57:08.000 When you have, I think, what do you say, 70 people per year dying for political reasons?

01:57:12.000 When I say political civil war, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Democrats, impeachment, all of that stuff, they're using the weight of the legal system, lawfare and law enforcement to go after their opponents.

01:57:24.000 It's kind of like they've always been doing it, but there was a curtain up and now we pulled the curtain back and we're getting the residual like a blast effect of it.

01:57:32.000 No, bro, bro.

01:57:34.000 I disagree, man.

01:57:35.000 I mean, there was dirty politics for sure, and they probably went to lesser-known candidates who had a chance of winning, like Bernie, and been like, don't play with us, we're the establishment.

01:57:43.000 This is different.

01:57:45.000 If Donald Trump wins in 2024, I really think he's gonna, it's gonna be like Super Saiyan 3 Goku, that the wavy hair is gonna extend really long, he's gonna rip his shirt off and be

01:57:55.000 super ripped and floating with energy protruding from his- Just go nuclear.

01:57:58.000 AAAAAAAAHHHHH Yeah. 0.74

01:57:59.000 He's gonna fire everybody.

01:58:00.000 He's gonna- he's gonna send the DOJ at tons of people.

01:58:02.000 I think- God, I hope so.

01:58:05.000 But imagine what they're going to do in response to that.

01:58:07.000 They know that if Donald Trump wins again, that it is lights out.

01:58:12.000 It is the the system will will be stripped of its power the establishment will be gutted god. That sounds great

01:58:18.000 That's why I'm like look I was saying I was on the Daily Wire last month and I was

01:58:22.000 like I think DeSantis would be better at this point Than Trump, but I'm also wondering if if DeSantis is gonna

01:58:27.000 try and play nice if he's gonna be like I'm gonna do what the people want, but I'm not gonna do

01:58:31.000 that. Trump's gonna be like I am going to politically strip this system

01:58:37.000 Yeah, no, I just like to shame as I'm waiting I

01:58:42.000 Went in there I said you're fired. Okay, that's it. You got no no severance package. You just gone. Yeah

01:58:50.000 Yeah, I wonder I do wonder what happens if he does get back in the office. I really I

01:58:55.000 I would like to help provide some resistance for him to knock his head against, metaphorically to learn, but like just to think outside the boxes.

01:59:01.000 If it's political infighting, we're done, man.

01:59:03.000 Maybe not done, but it's gonna be a lot of conflict if we go at each other politically.

01:59:07.000 But if we create cool technologies and we focus people's energy on it, I think we'll be okay.

01:59:11.000 I wish it was easy.

01:59:13.000 I wish we could say that if we all just chilled out and worked with each other, it would all be over.

01:59:18.000 But I think the reality is that if we don't go after the swamp and take out the corruption, then the corruption will reign supreme.

01:59:25.000 It's weird because it's like the corruption's in my head and I don't want to smash my head.

01:59:29.000 There's a better way.

01:59:29.000 It's like a detox.

01:59:30.000 We need to detox.

01:59:31.000 It's not.

01:59:31.000 Look.

01:59:32.000 We're talking about the legacy of revolving door politics.

01:59:36.000 Someone who runs a big company gets a kickback.

01:59:39.000 You know, they retire and then get a job in government.

01:59:42.000 Someone who works at a major pharmaceutical will get a job at the FDA or whatever.

01:59:45.000 Someone at a major agricultural company will get a job at the USDA.

01:59:49.000 And it's just one big circle.

01:59:50.000 Haliburton, Dick Cheney becomes vice president.

01:59:53.000 Then we get new wars if the swamp isn't drained.

01:59:56.000 And Trump did not drain it.

01:59:58.000 Then the corruption reigns supreme.

01:59:59.000 I have a feeling Trump is, he's like, I'm just imagining him sitting in a dark room like rocking back and forth like, the time will come.

02:00:09.000 I actually just visited a drain swamp when I was back in my hometown.

02:00:12.000 There used to be a swamp and it would flood the neighboring houses.

02:00:15.000 They ended up planting a bunch of plants that absorb the water and help it now fall down into the earth through this otherwise would have been a swamp.

02:00:23.000 Let's read a couple more here.

02:00:24.000 Good story, Ian.

02:00:25.000 Yeah, let's deal with politics.

02:00:27.000 Megan Cox says, Brandon, I am sorry that many on the right abandoned you.

02:00:30.000 I didn't.

02:00:31.000 Thank you, Megan.

02:00:32.000 Dude, what could we have done?

02:00:34.000 Maybe I'll ask about this later.

02:00:35.000 Let's do some more Super Chats.

02:00:35.000 I'll ask you maybe on the after show we talk about this.

02:00:37.000 Spiro Floropoulos says, according to sources say dot online, Nancy Pelosi wants to impeach Trump because he farted into a telephone. 0.72

02:00:45.000 That sounds right.

02:00:46.000 And then he said, you did it.

02:00:47.000 You did it.

02:00:48.000 I got a call back to the beginning of the episode.

02:00:51.000 So we had this idea.

02:00:53.000 Wikipedia basically can't be sued because section 230.

02:00:58.000 But the issue is that if someone writes a sentence like, you know, Seamus does a backflip, and it's true, it's fine.

02:01:06.000 But if someone then changes backflip to, you know, punched a dog and Seamus punched a dog, they didn't actually say he did.

02:01:12.000 They only changed a single word.

02:01:14.000 Interesting.

02:01:14.000 So my idea was a website where everyone gets to queue up for one word to add to the story.

02:01:19.000 So you open it and it'll say, Nancy Pelosi, you know, wanted to impeach, wants to impeach Trump because he blank, and it's your turn to write a word and you put farted.

02:01:28.000 Then someone else gets to write the next word and puts into, and then someone puts a telephone or whatever.

02:01:33.000 So this guy Spiro made the thing.

02:01:35.000 So anyway, my friends, if you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show, head over to TimCast.com.

02:01:40.000 We're going to have a members-only show coming up at 11 p.m.

02:01:43.000 And this one's interesting.

02:01:44.000 I wonder how many feds are going to have to buy a membership to watch the members-only show.

02:01:48.000 All of them.

02:01:49.000 FedCast.

02:01:50.000 I think they can just get in, man.

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02:02:01.000 Brandon, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:03.000 I really do, actually.

02:02:04.000 So my organization is right now coming back.

02:02:08.000 We got stripped pretty hard this past year.

02:02:11.000 But one of the first live events that we're doing is going to be Saturday, June 11th in Scottsdale, Arizona.

02:02:17.000 We're doing an event with gubernatorial candidate Carrie Lake, who I think is an amazing America first, tough as nails, hard on the media, hard on crime, hard on immigration.

02:02:27.000 She's amazing.

02:02:28.000 And so we're doing an event in Scottsdale, Arizona, June 11th, Saturday, and for anybody who's in the Arizona area, they can get tickets by going to walkawaycampaign.com, and you should be able to link right there on the homepage.

02:02:41.000 And really, really, really make the effort, you guys, because this isn't just about having a fun night, coming out and hearing people speak and stuff.

02:02:47.000 It's really about helping support my organization make its comeback, because we got leveled pretty hard.

02:02:53.000 If you believe in a movement of people walking away from the Democratic Party, if you want to see this movement come back in full swing, come out and help support us.

02:03:00.000 Go to walkawaycampaign.com.

02:03:02.000 It's gonna be great.

02:03:03.000 And also, I would also love it if people would follow me on Twitter, on Facebook.

02:03:08.000 Somehow, I still have my accounts.

02:03:10.000 Those didn't get taken away.

02:03:11.000 But I'm being throttled really, really hard.

02:03:14.000 I used to have amazing engagement on Twitter, and I'm having a rough time.

02:03:16.000 So go to at Brandon Strock.

02:03:18.000 I have a search ban, so you have to type the whole thing.

02:03:20.000 Brandon S-T-R-A-K-A.

02:03:23.000 That's Facebook, Twitter.

02:03:24.000 I'm on Truth.

02:03:25.000 I'm on Getter.

02:03:26.000 I'm on YouTube.

02:03:26.000 Please follow me on everything.

02:03:28.000 And retweet, retweet, retweet, and share, and tell your friends.

02:03:33.000 Should I keep going?

02:03:33.000 Tell your friends you love them.

02:03:34.000 Do we have another hour?

02:03:35.000 What else you got?

02:03:36.000 Let's skip Seamus and go right to Ian.

02:03:37.000 I don't have anything to promote.

02:03:39.000 I want to shout out freedomtunes.com, where you can sign up for Seamus' badass cartoons.

02:03:44.000 I got so excited I broke my chair.

02:03:46.000 You earned it, baby.

02:03:47.000 Thank you, I appreciate it.

02:03:49.000 Seamus, do you want to get cute on camera for a second?

02:03:53.000 Yeah, I just want to plug this for a second.

02:03:54.000 Look, I'm always cute on camera.

02:03:58.000 Freedom Tunes, if you guys want to go over there, check out the cartoons.

02:04:01.000 We just released something today.

02:04:02.000 We re-edited an old video that happened to work very well with Justin Trudeau.

02:04:06.000 I recommend you guys check that out.

02:04:07.000 It's a funny one.

02:04:08.000 We're going to be releasing one on Thursday.

02:04:10.000 And also, we just launched our website.

02:04:11.000 Now, on this website, you can get access to one cartoon per week that the public does not get, so that you're getting like ten Freedom Tunes a month as opposed to the usual six.

02:04:22.000 And we're also uploading a good amount of behind-the-scenes stuff there.

02:04:24.000 So freedomtunes.com, become a member, support the show, help us get independent from big tech, and thank you so much.

02:04:31.000 You can get through to me through iancrossland.net if you want to get in touch with any of my socials.

02:04:35.000 Also, I got a book that I wrote about, I don't know, 10 years ago or so now, when we were starting Minds.

02:04:41.000 I was one of the co-founders, and I was living on the street for a while, and I documented it.

02:04:45.000 And man, it is a wild ride through my mind.

02:04:47.000 So you can check that out.

02:04:47.000 It's called Writing in the Dark.

02:04:49.000 It's pretty interesting.

02:04:50.000 It's more of a manuscript or a diary or something.

02:04:52.000 But it's on Amazon.

02:04:53.000 You can get it there.

02:04:54.000 And I'll catch you later.

02:04:55.000 Very cool.

02:04:55.000 Check out Ian's manifesto if you're so inclined.

02:04:57.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter at Minds.com, at Sarah Patchlitz, as well as SarahPatchlitz.me.

02:05:02.000 We will see you all over at TimCast.com.

02:05:05.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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