Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Democrats FURIOUS Over Migrant Crisis, Airlines Fly Them WITH ID w-Marianne Williamson

00:00:00.000 It's been a wild year, and this is our second to last TimCast IRL of the year.

00:00:13.000 We've got some big stories.

00:00:14.000 Ashley St.

00:00:15.000 Clair breaking a big story that there are illegal immigrants who are flying on airlines without IDs at all and being given premium economy.

00:00:22.000 But it's not just Ashley.

00:00:22.000 There have been many journalists, many commentators who have bumped into this.

00:00:27.000 Interestingly, because of Turning Point USA's AmFest, many of these individuals were flying out of the Phoenix airport, and they could see that these airlines are transporting illegal immigrants from border states all over the country.

00:00:38.000 They have packets, they have information.

00:00:40.000 Many of them didn't speak English, and many of them don't even know where they're going.

00:00:44.000 The concern now we're hearing is coming from pilots of these airlines who don't know who they're flying.

00:00:49.000 There's no security screening.

00:00:50.000 They don't know where these people are coming from.

00:00:51.000 There's no medical screenings.

00:00:53.000 And so, of course, naturally, people are quite upset.

00:00:55.000 But it's even affecting big cities like Chicago, where we're actually seeing Democrat voters standing up, and they are challenging the mayor.

00:01:03.000 They are criticizing Joe Biden.

00:01:04.000 We even have an alderman in Chicago, a Democrat, saying that these policies are causing them great problems.

00:01:09.000 So we do want to talk about all of that.

00:01:11.000 But more importantly, I think it's a good opportunity to talk about a lot of issues because we have an awesome guest.

00:01:15.000 Marianne Williamson will be joining us and we'll talk about her policies, her plans, the polling, and I think it'll be fairly interesting considering she's actually polling quite well among Democrats, but for some reason, I think everybody gets it, the media and the Democratic establishment are not too happy.

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00:03:04.000 As I already mentioned, joining us tonight is the lovely Marianne Williamson.

00:03:08.000 Hi, thank you for having me.

00:03:10.000 Thank you for coming.

00:03:11.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:03:13.000 I'm Marianne Williamson, and I'm running for the Democratic nomination for the presidency.

00:03:21.000 Right on.

00:03:22.000 Is there anything else?

00:03:23.000 I mean, I know you're an author.

00:03:24.000 Is there anything else in your career that you'd like to... I've had a 40-year career.

00:03:28.000 I've written 15 books on inspirational spiritual subjects.

00:03:32.000 I write and talk about the universal spiritual themes at the heart of all the great spiritual and religious traditions.

00:03:39.000 I wrote a couple of books that are about politics.

00:03:42.000 I've been a non-profit activist.

00:03:43.000 I founded non-profit organizations.

00:03:46.000 One that was an AIDS organization that has served 16 million meals to homebound people.

00:03:52.000 It began as an organization that would serve meals to homebound people with AIDS and as it has continued through the years it's to all homebound people dealing with critical illness because fortunately there's less of the AIDS related situation in Los Angeles today, although it still exists, obviously.

00:04:11.000 And I've co-founded peace organizations.

00:04:15.000 I was once a non-denominational minister at a non-denominational church in Warren, Michigan.

00:04:22.000 So I've done a lot of things, and this is my second time running for president.

00:04:26.000 And we actually have one of the recent polls showing you at 13% among Democrats, so actually you're doing fairly well.

00:04:26.000 Right on!

00:04:32.000 Well, I'm sorry.

00:04:33.000 Oh, no, I was going to say, so we'll get into all of that.

00:04:35.000 Thank you.

00:04:35.000 But I'm really excited to have you here.

00:04:37.000 It's an honor and a privilege.

00:04:38.000 Thank you so much for coming.

00:04:39.000 Thank you very much.

00:04:40.000 Phil Labonte is hanging out.

00:04:41.000 Hello, everybody.

00:04:42.000 My name is Phil Labonte, lead singer of heavy metal band All That Remains, very failed musician, anti-communist, counter-revolutionary.

00:04:51.000 We're here with Ian.

00:04:52.000 Yeah, the guy, I'm going to make some, I want to, I want to bring some scientific realism to these crystals in front of me because people make fun of me in the past.

00:04:59.000 Crystals actually do vibrate.

00:05:01.000 You know, there's something called sympathetic vibration where harmonic resonance can cause one crystal to start vibrating and then other crystals across the room will start vibrating and your bones have, are made of crystal called hydroxyapatite in conjunction with other materials.

00:05:14.000 So we're vibing.

00:05:15.000 This is why whenever Allison and I go out, we buy Ian rocks.

00:05:18.000 Oh, and that's also why I got to chill, keep your tone cool, because a lot of communication is in the tone.

00:05:23.000 So let's have fun.

00:05:24.000 Thank you for buying those rocks for me.

00:05:26.000 Absolutely, he has a ton.

00:05:27.000 Vibrating rocks.

00:05:29.000 I think what you said relates to what we were talking about with Twitter before, that a lot of communication is in the tone.

00:05:34.000 Yeah, and with text, it's lost.

00:05:36.000 Text is just throwing a piece of paper at someone, basically.

00:05:38.000 Yeah.

00:05:39.000 I mean, I've had, uh, somebody once said to me something about something.

00:05:41.000 I, I didn't like your tone or something.

00:05:44.000 I said, it's a text.

00:05:46.000 There is no tone.

00:05:47.000 Yeah.

00:05:49.000 Well, let's get into it.

00:05:49.000 We got Serge pressing the buttons.

00:05:49.000 Yeah.

00:05:51.000 Yeah, I'm hanging out.

00:05:52.000 Let's just start the show.

00:05:54.000 We're gonna start with this story from Ashley St.

00:05:55.000 Clair because, I'll be completely honest, I think we have a great opportunity to talk about much, much larger issues as we're ending out the year.

00:06:04.000 Tomorrow we'll have James O'Keefe and it will be our last show of the year so we're really excited.

00:06:07.000 But this is still a very interesting story coming from Ashley St.

00:06:10.000 Clair which can kick off an immigration discussion.

00:06:12.000 Ashley Sinclair tweets, I am in possession of legitimate major airline boarding passes for migrants that quite literally have the name printed as no name given.

00:06:21.000 Incredibly difficult to post these without putting the insiders at risk working on it.

00:06:26.000 This will continue to unfold over the coming weeks, but I confirm these are legitimate boarding passes.

00:06:30.000 I am at a loss for words for what I am verifying.

00:06:33.000 Thank you to everybody reaching out.

00:06:35.000 Clair also tweets, Receiving all of these tips, I was able to call many sources directly here on Axe.

00:06:35.000 Ashley St.

00:06:40.000 A pilot who wanted to remain anonymous was able to create a burner account, join our space, and use the built-in voice change feature to stay safe.

00:06:49.000 She then celebrates Axe the best platform so far.

00:06:51.000 But the big news that we've been seeing over the past couple of days is record-breaking illegal immigration flowing into Eagle Pass.

00:06:59.000 We're seeing now over 10,000 per day.

00:07:02.000 They're estimating around 270 or so thousand individuals coming in just this month.

00:07:07.000 And it's resulting in even Democrats in cities like Chicago where we're getting a lot of anger.

00:07:13.000 Let me see if I have this one.

00:07:15.000 Not that one.

00:07:15.000 Where's the story at?

00:07:17.000 Do we have the...

00:07:19.000 Well, we have this one from the Daily Mail.

00:07:20.000 Furious Chicago resident rips into Mayor Brandon Johnson for throwing open the door to thousands of migrants and letting down black communities.

00:07:28.000 I think this is obviously a major issue.

00:07:31.000 And some of the latest polls on Donald Trump show that he is rising significantly, especially among young people.

00:07:38.000 And it's because the economy and immigration are huge issues for people.

00:07:43.000 But let's just we just kick off the conversation with you, Marianne.

00:07:45.000 And I'm curious what your thoughts are on all of this.

00:07:48.000 I think that in this, as in so many areas, we have to treat root causes.

00:07:52.000 We have to ask, we have to ask, why are people working, going through sometimes the most hideous journeys, like through the Darien Gap.

00:08:01.000 The Darien Gap in Mexico is one of the most inhospitable areas in the world.

00:08:06.000 So what would make someone walk across the Darien Gap with two small children?

00:08:11.000 Well, obviously, desperation.

00:08:13.000 So what, what is the despair?

00:08:15.000 There are two main categories.

00:08:16.000 One has to do with economic destabilization in these countries, which has caused all this economic desperation.

00:08:24.000 And the other is the horrible violence that is perpetrated by the drug cartels.

00:08:28.000 Now, I think that we need to look in the mirror, because if we look at all of this economic despair, a lot of it was contributed to mightily by U.S. 0.69

00:08:37.000 foreign policy over the last few decades.

00:08:39.000 One of the things that we have to do, for instance, we need to end the sanctions on Cuba.

00:08:43.000 We have to end the sanctions on Venezuela.

00:08:46.000 I think a lot of people have no idea what violence this does to the lives of ordinary people.

00:08:53.000 We say to ourselves, well, we're going to have a sanction on this country, and it's a sanction against the bad guys who are the leaders.

00:08:59.000 And then the story went that the ordinary citizen in that country would realize that this is what was causing it, and they'd rise up against the leader.

00:09:08.000 Well, it doesn't work that way.

00:09:09.000 First of all, the leader has cryptocurrency, the leader has bank accounts in Switzerland, the leader has castles in Monte Carlo.

00:09:17.000 We saw this with the sanctions on the Russian oligarchs at the beginning of the Ukraine war.

00:09:21.000 They're like, whatever, right?

00:09:24.000 So how ironic that in countries like Cuba and Venezuela, Our sanctions are leading to a lot of the despair that is then making people come here.

00:09:34.000 We give something like 200 million in general in humanitarian aid to Latin American countries.

00:09:41.000 I think if we really look honestly at what we have done to many of these countries over the last few decades, we would see a lot more.

00:09:48.000 of a reason and a justification for us seeking to stabilize, helping stabilize

00:09:53.000 some of these economies. I also think that we should end America's war on drugs because our

00:09:58.000 war on drugs actually contributes, it helps the drug cartels because it creates all that black 1.00

00:10:03.000 market. So I think that we can talk all day long.

00:10:06.000 I was in Eagle Pass several weeks ago.

00:10:09.000 I saw the concertina wire.

00:10:11.000 I saw the buoys that a federal judge has now told Greg Abbott that he cannot use.

00:10:16.000 I saw where 1,500 people drowned in the Rio Grande River.

00:10:22.000 And I heard officials down in Eagle Pass say to me, we feel oppressed by the state government, and we feel neglected by the federal government.

00:10:32.000 Because those people who are down there know how to handle this, they know how to do the processing, they know what is needed, and they're not listened to.

00:10:38.000 So, this is interesting.

00:10:39.000 We have this story.

00:10:41.000 I just want to pull this up.

00:10:42.000 This is from ABC.

00:10:43.000 Appeals court orders Texas to remove floating buoys from Rio Grande.

00:10:46.000 That was earlier in the month.

00:10:50.000 But we also do have this story from the Post-Millennial.

00:10:52.000 Federal judge forbids Biden administration from removing Texas's border barriers.

00:10:57.000 So, I think the buoys over the water, I think, had to come out because of international waterways restrictions.

00:11:04.000 But we started to see with the razor wire.

00:11:07.000 Federal agents were lifting it up and allowing people to enter and now I believe that's being barred and Texas has just passed a state law banning illegal entry into the state.

00:11:17.000 But the state, Greg Abbott, is overriding federal jurisdiction.

00:11:23.000 He does not have, once again, this is why they're saying, oppressed by the state government and neglected by the U.S.

00:11:29.000 government.

00:11:30.000 Greg Abbott is taking on authority that governors do not have.

00:11:35.000 These are laws that are to be passed by Congress, not by state governors.

00:11:39.000 Well, what happens when you have 10,000 people per day entering your state, in your city?

00:11:44.000 Once again, there's nothing you can do on the level of symptom that's going to fundamentally fix this.

00:11:49.000 This is why we must address the underlying causes.

00:11:52.000 We can talk about whether or not people are detained, we can talk about whether or not people are deported, but until we actually address the root cause of the problem, this is going to remain with us.

00:12:02.000 I agree, but we can't ignore 10,000 people per day.

00:12:05.000 I mean, if we use an analogy, if you say symptom, I'd imagine someone gets shot, we do need to stop shooting, but you still have to tend to the wound.

00:12:13.000 And also, the people that are coming over, they're not really...

00:12:17.000 Predominantly from South America. 0.97

00:12:18.000 They're coming from all over the world.

00:12:20.000 So I understand your point about addressing the problems in South America or addressing some of the things like sanctions and stuff.

00:12:28.000 I understand that.

00:12:29.000 But doesn't that not cover the problem if most of the people are coming from other places like Africa and Asia? 0.99

00:12:39.000 I think we also though need to look at the overall picture of immigration in this country because that we can have an argument at numbers and it's a legitimate argument but I think we also need to stand back and look at the overall picture which is statistically an immigrant to this country from anywhere if they are given for one year the help that is necessary to integrate etc.

00:13:01.000 Within a year, they are self-sufficient.

00:13:04.000 And if you look at the big picture of immigration in the United States, the immigrant population is a contributor to the U.S.

00:13:10.000 economy and not a suck on the U.S.

00:13:13.000 economy. 0.98

00:13:13.000 You know, 150 years ago, it was don't let in the Jews, don't let in the Polish, don't let in the Irish. 0.98

00:13:19.000 And there's a lot of that same kind of racism that is going on today.

00:13:23.000 So we have to ask ourselves, it's one thing to have a conversation about the numbers and the overwhelm, but it has, to me, now leaned over into a mean-spirited attitude towards immigrants, which is not in keeping with the better angels of our nature.

00:13:41.000 Where did your great-grandparents come from?

00:13:43.000 I mean, all four of my grandparents came here seeking to escape oppression.

00:13:47.000 What about yours?

00:13:48.000 Neither of you were descended from enslaved people.

00:13:53.000 Or from indigenous people. 0.96

00:13:53.000 I am. 0.96

00:13:55.000 Are you?

00:13:55.000 I'm part Korean.

00:13:57.000 Well, not by the United States.

00:13:58.000 They were not enslaved by the United States.

00:14:00.000 But my family was persecuted during World War II with Japanese internment because they didn't care for the difference between different types of Asian people.

00:14:10.000 So my family was forced to flee and hide and my mom's side of the family, which was mixed race, had to pretend like they weren't actually related because it was illegal at the time because of miscegenation laws.

00:14:23.000 And so the stories I grew up hearing was my family fled 12 different states once people found out that it was a mixed race family, you know, pre-1967, and would be spit on by people for being what they would call Japs, despite the fact that I am part Japanese, but mostly Korean.

00:14:39.000 So that is a component.

00:14:41.000 And not to say that we're descended from American slave or anything like that.

00:14:44.000 But my point is, so your family found, they found safety and asylum and a better life in the United States, right?

00:14:52.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:14:53.000 So isn't there a moral responsibility that those of us who are descended from people, like your parents, like my grandparents, Who found that?

00:15:00.000 We don't have a moral responsibility to make sure that others experience that blessing as well?

00:15:05.000 No, because there's a whole lot of people in the world like that.

00:15:08.000 If we have a moral responsibility to some, wouldn't that mean we have a moral responsibility to the world?

00:15:14.000 And then that's a moral responsibility to everybody on earth?

00:15:17.000 Not everybody's trying to come here.

00:15:19.000 But I would even want to come here.

00:15:20.000 I imagine there's a lot of people that want to.

00:15:22.000 I think the answer is yes.

00:15:25.000 Legal immigration.

00:15:26.000 I'm sorry.

00:15:27.000 I was going to say I was going to agree.

00:15:28.000 I believe the answer is yes.

00:15:29.000 However, it has to be legal, right?

00:15:30.000 We right now what you know with with I think your view on we must treat the symptoms.

00:15:36.000 There's a lot of symptoms and I can respect absolutely.

00:15:39.000 I question when we give money to the South American and Central American countries, and their oligarchs and their autocrats steal the money, and it doesn't help the people at all, and exacerbates violence, the drug, or all that stuff.

00:15:49.000 Absolutely.

00:15:50.000 I want to treat that.

00:15:51.000 But then there is another issue.

00:15:53.000 The American citizens of Eagle Pass are suffering.

00:15:55.000 And I don't believe it would be appropriate to just say, we will provide no reprieve for you in the immediate because we're dealing with larger issues internationally.

00:16:05.000 I was just in Eagle Pass.

00:16:06.000 Go down to Eagle Pass because I think you might be surprised by the stories that you hear from the people there.

00:16:12.000 You know, I grew up in Texas.

00:16:13.000 I grew up in Houston.

00:16:14.000 People have been walking back and forth, Mexico and Texas, literally for centuries.

00:16:18.000 Yeah.

00:16:19.000 Literally for centuries.

00:16:20.000 And the people in Eagle Pass that I spoke to absolutely know how these processing centers could work, how the medical could work.

00:16:28.000 It could be set up very differently than it is.

00:16:30.000 And the people in Eagle Pass are the ones who would know what to do.

00:16:32.000 But what about, for instance, the people in Chicago?

00:16:35.000 The black community, specifically, that has been in uproar over the past several months?

00:16:38.000 You said that plane came from Phoenix.

00:16:40.000 So my question was, which governor?

00:16:43.000 Like, we know, for instance, remember when Greg Abbott sent all those immigrants on a bus to Massachusetts? 0.99

00:16:50.000 Is Massachusetts a sanctuary state?

00:16:51.000 Is Massachusetts a sanctuary state?

00:16:51.000 Pardon?

00:16:53.000 To Nantucket?

00:16:54.000 Yeah, it was to Cape Cod or something.

00:16:57.000 And now when you read the follow-up stories, they're all doing well.

00:17:01.000 Yeah, but they were deported out of Nantucket.

00:17:04.000 They were removed from Nantucket.

00:17:04.000 Pardon?

00:17:06.000 The local residents revolted and then put them all in buses and sent them out.

00:17:10.000 Yeah, they were there for like a week and then they were like, get beat it.

00:17:13.000 Get out of here.

00:17:14.000 They were complaining.

00:17:15.000 They were having town meetings and stuff.

00:17:18.000 We don't have a place to put all the people.

00:17:20.000 We're a vacation town and blah, blah, blah.

00:17:24.000 They could have put them in.

00:17:25.000 Massachusetts is a sanctuary, is a de facto sanctuary state, according to WGBH.org.

00:17:31.000 So the argument, I suppose, from the likes of Texas is, if the federal government is going to remove border barriers, allow these people to enter under their federal jurisdiction, why not send these people to states that welcome them?

00:17:42.000 No, I understand.

00:17:43.000 But then you end up with Chicago residents.

00:17:45.000 And so, Chicago, it's devastating.

00:17:48.000 I bring that up only because I'm from there.

00:17:49.000 I know this is affecting a bunch of other cities.

00:17:51.000 My friends are saying the police departments are done.

00:17:53.000 They're shut down, basically, because they were overrun.

00:17:56.000 In the past few days, they've announced they're removing the migrants from the police stations to try and find other places.

00:18:00.000 But the scary thing now is they're talking about building camps to put these people in.

00:18:04.000 I think that's horrifying.

00:18:07.000 The situation should be handled at the border, obviously.

00:18:11.000 But what I heard and saw at Eagle Pass was that there are ways to handle it at the border.

00:18:17.000 It's Congress that has, there's been a dereliction of duty for years because everybody says on the left and the right, we want them to be able to legally immigrate.

00:18:26.000 I think people want to legally immigrate.

00:18:29.000 But the Congress has laws or there are plenty of laws that can moderate the people coming over the border, at least people that are coming over legally, if they would enforce it. 0.99

00:18:41.000 But the Department of Homeland Security is not enforcing the laws at the border, if I understand correctly.

00:18:46.000 Mayorkas was just on the hill recently, and if I understand correctly, provided exceedingly unsatisfactory testimony about what they're doing.

00:18:55.000 He was swearing up and down that he was doing what he's supposed to do, but the evidence is that we continue to have record numbers of people crossing the border, and we have had... I mean, this year is the highest record, you know, on... This month, particularly.

00:19:12.000 Yeah, over 10,000 people per day.

00:19:13.000 Millions and millions of people are coming over the border.

00:19:16.000 So what do you do when the government, when the executive won't enforce the laws, won't tell the guy that runs the border security to enforce the laws, and then when the guy's brought in front of Congress, he's just like, nah man, we're totally doing it, and everyone's like, well...

00:19:32.000 I guess he's doing it.

00:19:34.000 And nothing gets done.

00:19:35.000 I didn't see that testimony and I didn't read the- They were talking about impeaching Mayorkas.

00:19:42.000 Wow.

00:19:42.000 You know, right?

00:19:43.000 If I remember correctly.

00:19:44.000 I think if we zoom out and take like a macro look.

00:19:47.000 Regardless of what an individual community like Chicago or Eagle Pass might be saying, you have Abbott in Texas, at a state level, takes the view that this is a serious problem that is not being resolved by the federal government.

00:20:00.000 And the federal government's view is that, for whatever reason, it should be encouraged and facilitated.

00:20:05.000 Encouraged in the sense that they were using heavy machinery to lift up Texas's border barriers, were filing lawsuits to remove the barriers and bring these people in, and then Fund the transport of these people on planes and buses into other places.

00:20:19.000 So, something is happening in Texas, where locally, the governor says, it is politically expedient for me to end all of this illegal immigration.

00:20:28.000 And then something is happening federally, where the administration says, we will not do anything to stop it.

00:20:33.000 And this creates a conflict, where the state is putting up razor wire, suing the federal government to stop them from impeding on their borders, and then sending these people out on their own buses to Chicago, to New York.

00:20:43.000 And then you have the federal government trying to actually bring more people in.

00:20:46.000 I mean, I see that as an untenable situation.

00:20:48.000 I saw the buoys and I saw the memorial that was erected to the people who had drowned.

00:20:55.000 It is absolutely morally unacceptable.

00:20:57.000 Those buoys, people drown because of those buoys.

00:20:59.000 Well, I mean, if the people choose to enter a river and come here with those risks... Once again, for me, that goes back to the trauma in someone's life that would make them take a journey like that, on foot, over a desert, through the Darien Gap.

00:21:17.000 And for the United States, in what ways have we contributed to that despair?

00:21:22.000 If you look at U.S.

00:21:23.000 foreign policy in Latin America over the last few decades, you see how many ways we have not supported democracy.

00:21:30.000 I mean, you guys were talking about the CIA and all that stuff.

00:21:37.000 All the things you were saying about the CIA before we went on, you think that those things were not happening in Latin America?

00:21:44.000 I think that most of our immigration is, if I understand correctly, most of our immigration problem is not coming from Latin America.

00:21:50.000 That's honestly... A lot of people being reported are from North Africa.

00:21:55.000 I think a lot of it is economic destabilization through the Federal Reserve System, this fiat currency.

00:21:59.000 We've just totally annihilated the global economy by printing $8 trillion in the last few years.

00:22:06.000 So the symptom is it's caused by the United States' corrupt economy over the last 50 years, basically.

00:22:12.000 The problem is when you look at a body, you can say like, look, We're causing a problem in the body.

00:22:17.000 We're causing a problem in the body.

00:22:19.000 Something bad is going to happen, and then all of a sudden it explodes, and now we don't really have a... We remember what was causing it, but now we need to treat the explosive Result and the result is 300,000 people came if it takes one person one year to adapt.

00:22:36.000 We have 300,000 new ones this month That's like almost untenably unadaptable.

00:22:42.000 I don't understand.

00:22:43.000 I don't know how how we can ease these people in at that rate Well, yeah, I mean look in Chicago.

00:22:49.000 I I find I find this unacceptable in Chicago.

00:22:52.000 They are building a I hate to use the term, because I don't know what other term there is, but concentration camps.

00:22:59.000 I want to draw a distinction between, obviously, World War II, but they are building camps, and they are forcing these people into them, and it's causing a major crisis.

00:23:07.000 The locals are furious.

00:23:08.000 In the winter in Chicago?

00:23:10.000 In the winter in Chicago.

00:23:11.000 Schools!

00:23:12.000 Parents are screaming that they started putting these people in the gyms of middle schools.

00:23:17.000 The last thing I think anyone will tolerate is hearing that the federal government is loading people up on buses and trains and sending them to camps.

00:23:24.000 But it wasn't the federal government that did that.

00:23:26.000 That would have been a governor. 0.62

00:23:28.000 That would have been a state. 0.83

00:23:29.000 Illinois.

00:23:29.000 It's the mayor, I believe.

00:23:30.000 The mayor and the governor of Illinois.

00:23:31.000 The mayor is receiving it.

00:23:33.000 Johnson is the mayor in Chicago.

00:23:35.000 But I see what you're saying.

00:23:36.000 He's receiving them.

00:23:37.000 Well, so we do know for a fact that the Biden administration is facilitating the transport of migrants to various locations.

00:23:44.000 How do we know that?

00:23:45.000 So there was numerous reports, notably one out of Tennessee where Republicans actually filmed the transport of migrants, underage illegal immigrants coming from the border, were lowed on the planes and flown into Tennessee.

00:23:58.000 This particularly enraged, I think it was a senator from Tennessee who then came out and said, why in the middle of the night are planes being chartered by the federal government to send these people into our state?

00:24:07.000 There was actually whistleblower footage from Westchester, New York, where a, I believe it was a police officer, said if the American people knew what the government was doing, paying for the trafficking of these minors from out of the country into New York... Wait, paying for the trafficking?

00:24:21.000 You just said paying for the trafficking.

00:24:21.000 Be careful with that word.

00:24:23.000 Yeah.

00:24:24.000 Trafficking is a specific word.

00:24:26.000 it doesn't just apply to transportation. Well, if you take a minor who's not from this country 0.98

00:24:33.000 and facilitate their transport from out of the country into a part of the country, that's human

00:24:36.000 trafficking. So the coyotes, for instance, are human traffickers.

00:24:40.000 So when you have someone in, let's say, either it's Southeast Africa, one of the big 0.98

00:24:46.000 reports is a large amount of people are paying for travel to Brazil and then traveling from Brazil

00:24:51.000 up to Central America and through here, They're paying human traffickers to do that.

00:24:56.000 So the traffickers facilitate a plan, a path, and then the Biden administration Working with the traffickers facilitates the transport of minors deeper into the United States from the border.

00:25:06.000 It might actually be considered human smuggling.

00:25:09.000 Trafficking is specifically for commercial exploitation, sexual slavery, or forced labor.

00:25:15.000 And I don't think that the U.S.

00:25:16.000 government knowingly facilitates that.

00:25:18.000 But they may be smuggling people in.

00:25:23.000 Well, smuggling people in is definitely part of the trafficking problem.

00:25:27.000 There's no doubt about that.

00:25:28.000 By definition, they're smuggling people in.

00:25:30.000 And it can happen in our country, like internationally or intranationally.

00:25:38.000 There's one thing that I want to talk about when it comes to immigration.

00:25:42.000 One of the things that people neglect to address is when you have people like that are leaving... I mean, yeah, look, I'm sorry.

00:25:51.000 This was a huge story a couple years ago, and this is NBC New York.

00:25:55.000 2,000 migrant children, undocumented, flown into Westchester with bipartisan politicians demanding answers from the Biden administration who won't tell them what's going on.

00:26:05.000 And the smuggling is distinct because it's characterized by the consent of the person being smuggled.

00:26:10.000 Smuggling is probably a better word to define it.

00:26:14.000 And the question then becomes, why is it that if Democrats and Republicans in the area are demanding to know why the federal government is doing this, we don't have answers as to what's going on?

00:26:24.000 You know, in the big picture I can say this.

00:26:27.000 Certainly the people who are watching this show are furious about what's happening in Texas and Florida and the southern border states because they're bearing the brunt of this.

00:26:36.000 So Greg Abbott, Ron DeSantis, other governors say, why don't we send these people to sanctuary states that have passed laws to protect them because they seem capable and willing to help them.

00:26:46.000 But now we see Illinois, New York, and Pennsylvania furious that it's happening, and arguing that it's in fact the fault of Greg Abbott that they're facing this crisis, when, I mean, as you argued, it's the federal government who has the authority to do it, and Greg Abbott actually has no authority to stop the waves of migrants that are coming in. 0.85

00:27:03.000 Well, I would be very interested in reading that, but also when you talk about the people who are so upset about it in Texas.

00:27:09.000 I think a lot of the issue of who's upset about it in Texas has to do with particular political orientation.

00:27:16.000 But does that matter?

00:27:17.000 Yes it does, because there are, listen, I'm not arguing about whether or not too many people are coming in, but I do think a lot of the hysteria, even before, even a year ago, before it was as many numbers as it is, there was a lot of anti-immigrant fervor that was based not on a realistic appraisal of what occurred, what was occurring, but rather on racism and anti-immigrant perspective.

00:27:43.000 You know, Ronald Reagan gave six million immigrants amnesty.

00:27:47.000 When I was growing up, if you wanted to come into this country, if you wanted to be a citizen, all you had to do was walk down to the to the registry office.

00:27:55.000 Do you think that the United States is a more racist country now than we were, say, 20 years ago or 50 years ago?

00:28:01.000 Oh, that's an interesting question.

00:28:02.000 No, because we're not we're not a monolith.

00:28:05.000 But I do think, you know, so you can't say what kind of a country we are, but I will tell you this.

00:28:11.000 When I was a younger person, I'm not whitewashing or glamorizing or romanticizing the America I grew up in, but I will tell you this.

00:28:21.000 There was a greater consensus that we were not supposed to be.

00:28:26.000 But this is not just about race.

00:28:28.000 This is about everything. 0.97

00:28:29.000 When I was growing up, obviously, we've never been without racists and homophobes and anti-Semites and bigots. 0.92

00:28:36.000 Of course, we've never been without those people.

00:28:38.000 We're human beings.

00:28:39.000 But when I was growing up, there was a greater sense we weren't supposed to be those things.

00:28:45.000 And you had a sense that neither major political party would give the megaphone, a major megaphone, to anyone who spoke from those kinds of places.

00:28:55.000 Today, largely because of social media, People have felt now free to give voice to sentiments that when I was growing up, at least there was a healthy sense of shame in the country, and we knew, you know, we should try not to do that.

00:29:13.000 There's no shame anymore.

00:29:14.000 There's no shame, and there is such a thing as healthy shame, and that's what disturbs me, that people feel so permitted to express views that are so morally repugnant to a conscious person.

00:29:27.000 Do you think that it's better if people don't express morally repugnant views?

00:29:31.000 Because it's my assumption, or maybe it's my guess, that it's better to hear people express bad views so you can challenge them, or at least so you know who they are and what they're thinking, as opposed to people that don't Express their bad views and essentially are hiding, you know bigoted or whatever thoughts I think it's better if we know what people are saying and where they're coming from and So that way we can push back on the ideas or so that way you can avoid those people Like I'd rather know someone didn't like me

00:30:10.000 Well, I think social media has changed all that.

00:30:13.000 I think before social media, there would be a degree on which I would agree with that.

00:30:17.000 Social media, when people are saying these things for the clicks, it's like I remember hearing Sacha Baron Cohen say, if Hitler were alive today, he'd be taking out 30-second ads on Facebook.

00:30:29.000 Some truly, truly hateful things are being said in a way that I do not believe makes for a healthier society.

00:30:37.000 So this is this was one of the big stories, October 2021, Biden secretly flying underage migrants into New York in dead of night.

00:30:44.000 They had Westchester County police standing by as passengers were arriving.

00:30:47.000 And this was just the first.

00:30:48.000 Well, that's the New York Post, though.

00:30:50.000 So I'd have to read that, Tim.

00:30:51.000 I can't.

00:30:52.000 If the New York Post writes an article like that, I don't know.

00:30:55.000 I mean, I'm interested.

00:30:57.000 Trust me.

00:30:58.000 I mean, I will follow up on a lot of this, but I don't look at an article in the New York Post and go, oh, that's totally what's happening.

00:31:04.000 I don't know.

00:31:06.000 You know, I find that, like, I have a lot of love for humanity in general, just in general.

00:31:10.000 I see humans' eyeballs and I see, like, consciousness, but there's also a concept... NBC is sufficient, though, right?

00:31:15.000 There's a... Well, let's go into it.

00:31:17.000 That's disturbing, and I don't see it as a left-right issue that that's disturbing.

00:31:22.000 That's disturbing.

00:31:23.000 I think this is one of the reasons why Joe Biden's failing in the polls.

00:31:26.000 I think more and more people are waking up to realize that, you know, although it was initially reported by the New York Post and many people, I mean, your opinion seems to be lower of them, NBC News had the story two days later confirming basically the same thing, and it's only gotten worse.

00:31:40.000 And when I first hear that Joe Biden, or I should say his administration, because I don't know to what level he actually knows, is actually engaged in the practice of, what word do you want to use, smuggling?

00:31:51.000 Technically.

00:31:52.000 Non-citizen, and I'll be very, very careful, I'm very, very light on my language.

00:31:56.000 Children who are not from this country and do not have status are being flown in By the Biden administration, in the dead of night to various states without the consent of the people who live there or the local government, sparking bipartisan outrage, this sounds criminal.

00:32:10.000 I think the reason, this is actually exactly what I was talking about, that people want to love and want to be there for all the other people but there's this concept called toxic compassion that I've been thinking about for the last couple years where it's like you want to help everybody and then you end up helping no one.

00:32:26.000 And people are so obsessed with helping every person that comes by that it ends up like a white-tailed deer overpopulation.

00:32:32.000 We destroy.

00:32:34.000 So I'm very I just don't think we can help everyone.

00:32:39.000 and I don't even think we can help most people. We have limited time so I would like to move on

00:32:43.000 to some other subjects and then definitely get into the area of the media you're polling.

00:32:47.000 One thing I did want to ask you about was your position on one of the big culture war issues

00:32:53.000 in this country is in Florida they announced that they would be barring certain books from

00:32:59.000 curriculum that contained adult materials.

00:33:03.000 This resulted in big headlines like this about, well, this is another one, Orlando newspaper publishes spread of 673 books banned in Florida County in 2023.

00:33:13.000 I was curious if you knew a lot about what was going on nationwide with the removal of certain books from school curriculum and what your thoughts were.

00:33:20.000 I'm very much against book banning.

00:33:22.000 I think book banning is basically fascist behavior.

00:33:26.000 Some of the books that are being banned, there'll be a suggestion of homosexual feelings, so they call it pornographic and something children shouldn't read.

00:33:40.000 I trust teachers and librarians, and I don't like the idea of the U.S.

00:33:45.000 government or state government telling librarians or teachers what they can teach.

00:33:50.000 You don't think we should have laws on anything?

00:33:53.000 What about a Playboy?

00:33:54.000 Like if a Playboy was in a grade school, would that be an issue?

00:33:57.000 A Playboy magazine?

00:33:58.000 Yeah, as a parent I'd have a big problem with a Playboy magazine.

00:33:58.000 Yeah.

00:34:02.000 What if there was a book being given to middle schoolers that depicted giving blowjobs? 0.56

00:34:07.000 I would yeah well okay once again if yeah I wouldn't want my child to read that and I definitely would be wanting to work this is the book okay that's that's school board that's not government not the US government or or I don't want the US government and I don't want the state governor telling me the books cannot be Is it? 0.50

00:34:28.000 taught. If I were a parent and my, I am a parent, if I if my child in the eighth

00:34:32.000 grade, I would definitely be going to the school. I would definitely be working

00:34:36.000 with the school board and I and I definitely would have a problem with

00:34:38.000 that.

00:34:39.000 Is it what if the school board if it doesn't do anything about it, then do you

00:34:43.000 have to appeal to the state?

00:34:44.000 I don't want this. I don't want a governor telling colleges what classes

00:34:50.000 This isn't colleges, this is grade school.

00:34:54.000 No, I don't think the governor should be telling schools what they can teach in the 8th grade.

00:34:59.000 I would have a problem with that, but that's school board.

00:35:01.000 And then you elect people to your school board. 0.86

00:35:04.000 If you had a child between the ages of 10 and 12, and the teacher was providing them instruction on how to use anonymous gay sex apps, Would you call the police on that teacher? 0.89

00:35:16.000 I would definitely go to the principal right away.

00:35:19.000 Police, I have a problem with bringing the police into that.

00:35:21.000 Going to the principal, you better believe I would.

00:35:23.000 And I would show up at the school board as well.

00:35:25.000 So the reason why I bring up these, these are very specific examples. 0.97

00:35:29.000 This book is gay.

00:35:31.000 We have this story from ABC. 0.92

00:35:33.000 Parents call cops after teacher offers this book is gay to middle schoolers in Illinois.

00:35:37.000 This book provides instruction for the use of gay dating apps for anonymous sex. 0.95

00:35:43.000 And these are middle schoolers.

00:35:44.000 These are 10, 11, and 12 year olds.

00:35:46.000 So the parents finding out that the teacher was doing this, I mean, that's pedophilia.

00:35:49.000 That's grooming behavior.

00:35:51.000 That is outright egregious and illegal.

00:35:55.000 I don't even want to say conservatives, but it seems to be the case when, let's say someone like me, I'm from Chicago and I grew up with a Democrat family.

00:36:02.000 When I find out that adults are providing children this kind of stuff, I say, that's a bad thing.

00:36:07.000 We shouldn't allow that.

00:36:09.000 However, for some reason, I end up with, we had the woman, what was her name from the majority report?

00:36:16.000 Emma Vigeland.

00:36:17.000 Emma Vigeland came on and actually defended that these books be kept in middle schools. 0.92

00:36:23.000 No, I would not agree with Emma Vigeland.

00:36:25.000 Yeah, I think she hadn't read the books either when she made that statement.

00:36:29.000 So this is the culture war issue, and the reason why I bring it up is I often find that people who would align themselves as more Democrat or left-leaning are not familiar with the books in question that are being challenged by parents.

00:36:42.000 And so, you end up with these stories that are not correct.

00:36:45.000 They'll say something like, you know, oh, to kill a mockingbird, and it's like, I'm not concerned at all about ideas and philosophy.

00:36:54.000 You know, I think critical race theory, as a philosophy, it can be taught in schools, but as praxis, I don't think that's appropriate.

00:37:02.000 So, the criticism became, with Florida, it's not that they had books on critical race theory, it's that they had critical race praxis in books.

00:37:10.000 But what are you calling critical race praxis?

00:37:13.000 Praxis.

00:37:14.000 So, for instance...

00:37:16.000 There's a, uh, what was one example?

00:37:18.000 We had, um, I forgot the woman's name.

00:37:21.000 Uh, was it Asra Noumani?

00:37:22.000 Yeah.

00:37:23.000 That was her name?

00:37:24.000 One of the, a lot of the books that they were bringing into Florida would say something like, you know, we have the classic math problem where it says a train leaves Cincinnati traveling 50 miles an hour and a train departs Pittsburgh traveling or whatever and, you know, at what point do they pass?

00:37:37.000 But now what the books are doing, it'll say, Evan is white and has been detained by police two times in the past year.

00:37:44.000 Jamal is black and has been detained 17 times.

00:37:47.000 What percentage of the times have police been racist?

00:37:50.000 And these are the kinds of questions that are being put in books.

00:37:52.000 So this is called praxis, where the idea of the ideology is embedded in a separate subject.

00:38:00.000 Parents were upset saying, hey, this is ideological and not relevant to the subject of science or math.

00:38:05.000 We don't want this as part of the curriculum.

00:38:08.000 And so then what ended up happening is they say, OK, well, we're going to remove this from curriculum.

00:38:11.000 But then, of course, the media reports it as Republicans banned books.

00:38:15.000 Well, but see, even the way we're contextualizing the conversation, I don't think is very helpful. 0.88

00:38:20.000 I don't think it's a left-right issue, for instance, if you are a parent and you don't want your child in the seventh grade reading a book about blowjobs.

00:38:28.000 I mean, to me, that's not a left-right issue that the child is learning about that in school.

00:38:33.000 But to me, as an American, not as a left-winger, but as an American, I do want my child to learn, for instance, about unequal application of criminal justice when it comes to race.

00:38:46.000 If a black person is given a sentence in a courtroom in the United States, that black person is liable to have a 20% longer sentence.

00:38:58.000 What I didn't like about what you said was that it was a specific projection onto the police.

00:39:04.000 When not every policeman is racist.

00:39:06.000 That's praxis.

00:39:06.000 However, the idea though that the white person is stopped so much less than the black person, I don't have a problem with kids learning that in high school.

00:39:16.000 But shouldn't topics like that be their own subject as opposed to mixed into other topics?

00:39:22.000 Because what ends up happening is if you're teaching kids math and you're adding additional sub-context, then you end up with people that aren't learning the subject they're supposed to be learning.

00:39:35.000 And that's part of why our schools have such a problem with making test scores.

00:39:42.000 And we have kids that are graduating without, you know, that can't read at grade level.

00:39:46.000 Some can't read functionally, can't read at all.

00:39:48.000 And a lot of it is because of this means of teaching.

00:39:53.000 For the type of teaching and the framework they use, there's a lot of reasons.

00:40:01.000 Parents aren't making sure their kids are getting to school and stuff.

00:40:04.000 Parents aren't taking care of their parental duties. 0.61

00:40:06.000 There's a lot of things.

00:40:07.000 Opioids.

00:40:08.000 There's kids dropping out and stuff like that.

00:40:10.000 Absolutely.

00:40:11.000 There's a lot of reasons.

00:40:12.000 But you are, you do see the more a whatever institution, whatever you're dealing with, whether it be an institution or whether it be corporations with their HR departments focusing on like DEI and stuff like that.

00:40:25.000 When you have the when you have those type of departments and that kind of focus you are taking away some of the at least a portion of the resources that are supposed to go to actually teaching and you're putting them to things that don't teach them or hinder them teaching because if that were its own class in like whether it be social studies or whatever in civics or whatever if the type of of you know awareness or social justice it was its own

00:40:49.000 class that's one thing but if you're mixing it in with other things then you're

00:40:52.000 gonna have it have a watered down problem with this. Sorry for entertaining. You're

00:40:56.000 making some some some points that are understandable however the what those

00:41:00.000 of us on the left are arguing that children should learn for instance our

00:41:05.000 racial history in this country. Well no one's arguing against that. Yes many

00:41:09.000 people are arguing against that.

00:41:11.000 I'm sorry, many people are arguing against that, and there's this hysteria about critical race theory, and they think just teaching people about the history of slavery in the United States should not be taught.

00:41:19.000 But that's not true.

00:41:20.000 That's not critical race theory.

00:41:21.000 Do you know that there are schools, I remember I was in South Carolina, and there's a law that if any child goes To the teacher and says that made me uncomfortable that then the teacher cannot teach that book.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, and that came from the left because of people that like from microaggressions and stuff like that.

00:41:40.000 If you feel uncomfortable in a class, it was it was the left-leaning people that wanted.

00:41:44.000 I kind of agree with that actually.

00:41:45.000 Yeah, they were the left-leaning people.

00:41:47.000 The point is a child all that has to happen in that case is that the parents tell the child.

00:41:52.000 Tell the teacher this makes you uncomfortable.

00:41:55.000 Once a child gets into high school, you start reading books about things that, I mean, part of literature, part of art, part of movies, there are some things that are going to make you uncomfortable.

00:42:05.000 Do you agree with critical race theory?

00:42:10.000 Critical race theory was just something that had to... it's so misunderstood.

00:42:14.000 It was something that had to do with a legal theory that people were talking about in, like, law school.

00:42:19.000 But there are things that have to do with just... Are you not familiar with the ideology of critical race theory?

00:42:24.000 It has to do with the idea that many things are seen through and filtered through the lens of race.

00:42:32.000 But many things that parents have been lining up to complain about in school boards around the country, just for anything that had to do with race and calling it in this almost hysteria about critical race theory.

00:42:45.000 I think there's a big difference between critical race theory and teaching children The truth about the history of the United States, which I believe, regardless of our politics, is a requirement for conscious citizenship.

00:42:59.000 So outside of perhaps there are a lot of ignorant people who aren't, they're complaining for a variety of reasons. 0.53

00:43:06.000 I won't speak to them. 0.92

00:43:06.000 I'm sure they exist. 0.92

00:43:08.000 The political stances taken by many people, That we're fighting books on critical race theory was what's called critical race praxis, and that is to take the ideology from Kimberly Crenshaw and Derrick Bell and apply it into schools through science and math and other subjects unrelated to, say, social studies.

00:43:28.000 So you'd end up with a lot of political commentators saying things like my position, for instance, Take the literal book, Critical Race Theory, and bring it to any school you want, and let children read it, and even give them a lesson on it.

00:43:40.000 But Critical Race Praxis was when they did, like, a math problem.

00:43:44.000 Like you were just talking about.

00:43:45.000 Right.

00:43:45.000 Yeah.

00:43:46.000 So the issue I take with Critical Race Theory is that it is an abhorrent, racist ideology that advocates for segregation.

00:43:55.000 And the Critical Race Praxis was to take that ideology and apply it and teach children. 0.64

00:44:00.000 We ended up with two, or I should say, we ended up with a wide range of extremist beliefs that we saw manifest throughout the country, such as, what would they call it, non-POC and POC groups.

00:44:13.000 They began actually creating, in Seattle, I think it was Seattle, there was a library where when people were allowed to come, if you were white, you had to go in a white room only, and if you were not white, you went to the not white room.

00:44:24.000 In Dearborn, Michigan, you had the digital cafes.

00:44:27.000 This was during, I believe it was during COVID.

00:44:29.000 And they said, everybody come hang out online and talk in a chat room.

00:44:32.000 But if you're white, you go in the room only for white people. 0.93

00:44:34.000 And if you're not white, you go in the room only for not white people. 0.82

00:44:37.000 For instance, an example of this Derek Bell.

00:44:41.000 Pioneer of critical race theory actually argued that Brown should not have dismantled Plessy versus Ferguson.

00:44:48.000 A core component of critical race theory is that schools should remain segregated.

00:44:52.000 So in, I believe it was Sacramento School District, they created white racial affinity groups based on critical race theory.

00:44:59.000 I think that should be a lot in schools.

00:45:01.000 And if teachers are teaching critical race praxis to children, I believe it's illegal under the 1964 Civil Rights Act and should be barred from schools.

00:45:09.000 But what we end up with, once again, is you're banning books, conservatives are banning books, they're trying to stop teaching our history.

00:45:15.000 But some of the books that they're banning, some of the books that they're banning, Grapes of Wrath.

00:45:15.000 It's realistic.

00:45:21.000 Yes, Grapes of Wrath is one of the top 100 most banned books.

00:45:27.000 Grapes of Wrath, The Portrait of Dorian Gray, because someone has a homosexual feeling. 0.91

00:45:32.000 or even talking about to kill a mockingbird. So I don't think we have to 0.86

00:45:32.000 Okay, good. 0.86

00:45:37.000 separate this. I mean some things are just kind of outrageous no matter what

00:45:40.000 your politics are, but other things I think American children should learn

00:45:44.000 our history and I think they should learn great great books of literature,

00:45:47.000 great works of art. I think we all agree. Okay good, so I don't have to turn this

00:45:52.000 into a war. But I think the issue is if say Ron DeSantis comes out and he put

00:45:57.000 this on floridagov.com or I should say they did.

00:46:01.000 Actually, I think, no, this is Ron DeSantis.

00:46:03.000 The books they banned were Genderqueer, Flamer, This Book is Gay, and Let's Talk About It, books that contained pornographic and adult materials and instruction on those things.

00:46:12.000 For junior high school?

00:46:13.000 This is middle school.

00:46:14.000 No, I wouldn't want that.

00:46:15.000 But so the issue then becomes, the media widely reports, he's just banning books in general.

00:46:21.000 When you get, I mean, this is Ron DeSantis from his own mouth, saying, these are the books we banned and why we banned them, but then all of a sudden the corporate press just says, he's banning books in general, and the conversation shifts from, we don't want children getting access to adult content, to the perspective which you have is, oh, they're trying to ban books like Grapes of Wrath.

00:46:41.000 No, that's not what I just said.

00:46:43.000 I agreed with you that there are books that I would not, I don't, I'm not comfortable with the governor doing it, but there are books with over sexual or whatever at a certain young age that I just would be fine with the school board saying too young.

00:47:01.000 This is like you were saying when you were younger, ideas of racism were just shameful, and that society wouldn't allow those things to get a mainstream megaphone.

00:47:10.000 And now it's similar with books.

00:47:11.000 We're in the age of self-publishing.

00:47:13.000 People can publish ideas without a central authority saying, hey, that's a little... Like a publisher, there's no gatekeeper.

00:47:21.000 Yeah, and so we kind of have to be more vigilant in our censorship methods.

00:47:27.000 I think that nothing is a substitute for an ethical revolution.

00:47:31.000 We all have to just, that's why the work of just what is an ethical person, you can't, there is no substitute for that.

00:47:39.000 I have a problem with your talk of censorship.

00:47:43.000 We've talked about what can go into libraries and stuff, and it's one thing to curate what goes into school libraries and stuff like that.

00:47:54.000 Censorship is a totally different animal.

00:47:56.000 I think it's a form of censorship, curation.

00:47:58.000 No, I don't.

00:48:00.000 A library curates.

00:48:01.000 An art director curates.

00:48:04.000 Somebody curated what was on the wall here.

00:48:07.000 Oh yeah, mostly me.

00:48:07.000 Censor is mostly a neutral term.

00:48:09.000 It's just you're looking at something and deeming is this permissible or is it not in the current situation.

00:48:14.000 I think curation is neutral.

00:48:16.000 Censorship is not neutral.

00:48:17.000 Well you can censor something and allow it.

00:48:19.000 So if you censor something you're just deciding yes or no.

00:48:21.000 It's censure versus censor.

00:48:23.000 I think when you censor, censoring is just the act of observing and deciding yes or no.

00:48:29.000 Censoring is when you... It's specifically removing information.

00:48:33.000 It can be good or bad.

00:48:34.000 But what about these great works of art?

00:48:38.000 You were talking about the things you were talking about.

00:48:40.000 Many of us are upset about things like To Kill a Mockingbird, Grapes of Wrath.

00:48:44.000 But we all agree on that.

00:48:45.000 Okay, and I think we all agree on a lot of stuff, yeah.

00:48:48.000 So this is more ambiguous.

00:48:49.000 I'm curious your thoughts on this.

00:48:50.000 It's kind of hard to read.

00:48:51.000 I tried to find a higher resolution.

00:48:54.000 And for the record, I was right.

00:48:55.000 You were wrong.

00:48:56.000 Censure is an official rebuke or an expression of strong disapproval.

00:49:00.000 Like an accomplice censures someone.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, but a censor, C-E-N-S-O-R, is just the act of deciding yes or no.

00:49:06.000 You can say yes, that's okay, but you still censored it.

00:49:09.000 Or you can say no, it's not okay, and you censored it.

00:49:11.000 It's sort of the opposite of what we are.

00:49:16.000 Sorry to interrupt.

00:49:17.000 I think I understand what you're saying.

00:49:19.000 Society will try and tell you that it means saying no.

00:49:22.000 It only means saying no, but it's just the act of deciding yes or no.

00:49:26.000 Is to censor.

00:49:26.000 Yes.

00:49:28.000 But by definition, if you say no, you are censoring.

00:49:31.000 You could argue that, yeah.

00:49:32.000 You said it's neutral, but I don't think it's neutral.

00:49:34.000 There's a reason why it's censored.

00:49:37.000 This is a more ambiguous example from a book in a school.

00:49:41.000 I'm curious your thoughts.

00:49:42.000 Are you able to see it?

00:49:43.000 I'm trying to find a good high-resolution image of it, but this is from a book called Not My Idea, particularly a page in the book about contract binding you to whiteness.

00:49:53.000 It says, you get stolen land, stolen riches, special favors.

00:49:56.000 Whiteness gets to mess endlessly with the lives of your friends, neighbors, and loved ones, and all fellow humans of color for the purpose of profit. 0.97

00:50:03.000 Your soul, sign below.

00:50:05.000 Land, riches, and favors may be revoked at any time for any reason.

00:50:08.000 It depicts a hoofed-footed demon with money on fire, a devil's tail, and a hand reaching for a handshake.

00:50:16.000 No, I think that's terrible.

00:50:28.000 So this is critical race praxis. 0.61

00:50:30.000 When they take the ideology from Derrick Bell or Kimberley Crenshaw and they put it in a children's book, and this is one of the books they want removed from schools.

00:50:37.000 Whiteness is a bad deal, it always was. 1.00

00:50:40.000 Dude, we can see your pointy tail. 1.00

00:50:44.000 This is what's in grade schools.

00:50:45.000 And this is this is the reason why like this is the stuff that that as much as conservatives are trying to get stuff out and there there is going to be or there are going to be attempts by more authoritarian conservatives to try and attach their their limits on people's rights and stuff like that that's gonna happen.

00:51:03.000 But at the same time, stuff like this, your average person doesn't even know.

00:51:09.000 Like, they're not even aware.

00:51:09.000 And then when it's presented to them by the media, which you understand exactly how duplicitous and difficult it can be with today's modern media, when it gets presented to the average person by the media, they do everything they can to make this seem like this isn't the situation.

00:51:24.000 They make it seem like it's all racist and all bigots and blah blah blah.

00:51:29.000 But then you actually look into it, And the situation is, no, there's really objectionable stuff being put in schools that parents are objecting to, and then the FBI goes after the parents for protesting, you know?

00:51:43.000 This is the government that we have right now.

00:51:45.000 This is the real federal government.

00:51:47.000 FBI going after a parent because his kid was sexually assaulted.

00:51:51.000 Well, this is state level.

00:51:52.000 So in Virginia, Loudoun County, are you familiar with the Loudoun County conflict?

00:51:58.000 So Loudoun County is about 30 seconds from here, Loudoun County, Virginia.

00:52:01.000 And there was a, I believe she was a preteen girl, was raped in the bathroom by a boy wearing a dress.

00:52:08.000 The conservative center reported as a trans boy, but I don't think the boy was trans.

00:52:12.000 I think the boy was like non-binary identifying or something, just wearing female clothes and using the girl's bathroom.

00:52:17.000 The school covered it up.

00:52:18.000 It led to a huge scandal, which was a huge component in why Northam didn't win re-election and why Youngkin did.

00:52:24.000 The father got arrested when he went to the school board demanding to know why the school covered up the rape of his daughter.

00:52:29.000 So these are the extreme stories that are popping up for the people who are attuned to it.

00:52:37.000 The corporate press, of course, is not talking about it.

00:52:40.000 And they slander people that do.

00:52:43.000 Of course.

00:52:44.000 I think much of what you experience, how they lie about you, it's so widespread it's actually hard to break through.

00:52:49.000 I did just bring up this site just to show you.

00:52:51.000 This is not my idea of the passage I just showed you.

00:52:53.000 This is a children's book.

00:52:54.000 Where they say this about whiteness and I do want to talk about this and this is, I don't know, I figured I'd bring this story up to see what your thoughts are.

00:53:02.000 There's a movie coming out called The American Society of Magical Negroes.

00:53:06.000 It's got people very angry because in the trailer for the film they say, actually let me see if I can just play this and I'll get your thoughts on it.

00:53:16.000 Let's see if we have, I might have to unmute the site.

00:53:19.000 No, we're good.

00:53:20.000 I know you can feel their discomfort, Aaron. 0.95

00:53:27.000 Oh Watching you walk through a room full of white people was the most painful thing I've ever seen. 1.00

00:53:33.000 Excuse me. 0.96

00:53:34.000 Sorry.

00:53:34.000 I don't want to take you to a job interview.

00:53:36.000 There's a recruiting class starting right now and we gotta get you in it.

00:53:42.000 Welcome to the American Society of Magical Negroes. 0.97

00:53:49.000 I don't really understand.

00:53:51.000 It's easier said than done.

00:53:54.000 What's the most dangerous animal on the planet?

00:53:57.000 Sharks. 0.95

00:53:58.000 White people, when they feel uncomfortable. 0.97

00:54:00.000 White people feeling uncomfortable precedes a lot of bad stuff for us. 0.98

00:54:04.000 That's why we fight white discomfort every day. 0.98

00:54:07.000 I'll pause right there and show this.

00:54:10.000 A meter showing white tears next to a police officer. 0.99

00:54:14.000 So the premise of this film is that the most dangerous animal on the planet is white people, And a group of secret magical black people have to use magic powers to keep white people placated, otherwise the white people will turn on them and kill them. 0.99

00:54:30.000 So this movie's got everybody pissed off. 0.99

00:54:32.000 The Root wrote about it, and they're actually angry.

00:54:35.000 Well, I shouldn't say they're angry, but there's a lot of criticism from more of the left-leaning people that it depicts an interracial relationship, which is surprising.

00:54:43.000 I guess not really. 0.98

00:54:44.000 And then the criticism from the right is that the premise of the film is that white people are the most dangerous animal on the planet. 0.96

00:54:50.000 This is what people would refer to as critical race praxis in mainstream media and film, and this is a major movie. 0.97

00:54:56.000 This is like, you know, Hollywood-level production.

00:54:58.000 The question that comes up for me is what you were saying before.

00:55:01.000 Is it better that stuff be out there and that people hear it?

00:55:05.000 I personally I think it's better you know but at the same time like stuff like this like this is is is hidden from the public and and until it's burst into an ugly form like this and it- That book!

00:55:23.000 Which one?

00:55:24.000 Not my idea, that book with the devil.

00:55:26.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 Telling that kid, you know.

00:55:27.000 I mean, it's all so toxic and so illiberal and there are people and the media misrepresents all of the objections to it as Coming from a place of bigotry, as coming from a place of evil and stuff.

00:55:45.000 I can understand that.

00:55:48.000 This is why, when it comes to a show like ours, we have every conservative in the world emailing us asking us to come on, and not a single liberal emails us asking us to come on.

00:56:00.000 We actively have to fight to get liberals to come on the show.

00:56:03.000 Well, but wait a minute.

00:56:04.000 Let's look at me.

00:56:05.000 I'm very left-wing in my political views.

00:56:09.000 But I agree with most of what you're saying.

00:56:11.000 That's why you're sitting in this chair.

00:56:13.000 I mean, this to me is... We're talking about a lot of things here that I don't even see as left-right issues.

00:56:18.000 I agree.

00:56:19.000 They've been turned into left-right issues.

00:56:21.000 So the issue is when you have high-profile prominent liberal or leftist commentators who know exactly what we're talking about, they will not come on this show because they would have to put themselves in a position where they're in opposition to their tribe.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, well I, you know, my own tribe is not very nice to me sometimes.

00:56:38.000 But you see, that's exactly it.

00:56:40.000 The people who are trying to remain within the circle of the dominant left ideology have to agree with critical race theory.

00:56:48.000 And if they speak out against it, they will get cancelled, they will get banned from media, they'll get lied about, they'll get smeared.

00:56:54.000 Well, that's why I said earlier if we could just stay away from that term.

00:56:57.000 The term is such a hot potato.

00:57:01.000 It's not helpful.

00:57:04.000 What we're talking about here doesn't help to even talk about it in terms of critical race theory, it seems to me.

00:57:09.000 But this is what critical race theory is.

00:57:11.000 Well, but there are those who would argue differently.

00:57:14.000 But they're wrong.

00:57:15.000 Well, this is critical race practice.

00:57:17.000 This is practice.

00:57:18.000 But more importantly, we have the book.

00:57:21.000 We have Kimberly Crenshaw's book, Critical Race Theory, the core ideology.

00:57:26.000 And it explicitly talks about what the ideology means, what it represents, what their goals are.

00:57:30.000 Derrick Bell, of course, famously said he thought Plessy v. Ferguson was wrong and he wants segregation in schools.

00:57:37.000 So when someone comes out and says, I would argue critical race theory is something different, they are lying.

00:57:41.000 Do you?

00:57:42.000 There's two things that could be wrong, too.

00:57:45.000 But anyone arguing in favor of segregation, I think, is doing bad.

00:57:48.000 First of all, I wonder, do you consider yourself a liberal or do you consider yourself a progressive?

00:57:54.000 Well, this is what I feel.

00:57:56.000 I feel everybody needs to come out of their silos right now.

00:58:00.000 I think these labels are not helping any of us.

00:58:03.000 I don't even think they help us at this table.

00:58:05.000 I think this table has been an example of the labeling is the one places where we've gotten off, and when we didn't have the labels, we were just talking as Americans.

00:58:16.000 And I say that all the time.

00:58:17.000 You know, I'm running for president, and I feel that so strongly.

00:58:20.000 People say, who do you talk to?

00:58:22.000 I don't give a different talk.

00:58:24.000 Depending on if they're black, brown, white, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight, non-binary, rich, poor.

00:58:31.000 I'm speaking to a place in the American heart, the American conscience, American decency.

00:58:37.000 And I think all of those labels are disserving us right now.

00:58:40.000 On a superficial level, I'm a progressive, but I see stuff now that just makes me think Nobody has a monopoly on truth and nobody has a monopoly on this smugness and arrogance and my way is right and your way is wrong.

00:58:56.000 It's almost mean-spiritedness that I see in everyone right now and I think we all need to get off our high horses.

00:59:02.000 I think, uh, I agree.

00:59:04.000 I think the issue is, you know, for us, for instance, it comes down to the simplification of terms and their general understanding.

00:59:12.000 So we end up in this world where I am a, when I was younger, I was a punk rock anarchist skateboarder, uh, listening to, you know, anti-flag and bands like that against me.

00:59:22.000 Baby, I'm an anarchist.

00:59:23.000 I can still play that song and I still know all the words.

00:59:25.000 And, uh, now they call me far right.

00:59:29.000 So I still wear the same clothes.

00:59:31.000 I'm just hearing you today.

00:59:33.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:59:33.000 I don't watch your show all the time.

00:59:34.000 Because they're lying, right?

00:59:36.000 Well, they lie about me all the time.

00:59:37.000 Exactly.

00:59:39.000 So they'll lie and they'll say I'm a conservative, despite the fact that my politics are actually fairly middle of the road.

00:59:44.000 You know, I have arguments with pro-life individuals on a more traditionally Democrat pro-choice position.

00:59:50.000 That's what I mean.

00:59:51.000 Let's drop the labels aren't helping us.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, getting people locked into boxes and silos of what they think they are.

00:59:59.000 I think that's a tactic used by people that want to maintain control of a society.

01:00:03.000 And they also are creating an artificial dichotomy.

01:00:06.000 as a kind of screen to hide the real division.

01:00:10.000 The real division is the powerful versus the powerless.

01:00:13.000 The real division is the corporate elite versus those struggling to get by.

01:00:17.000 The real division is those who have capital and access to more capital

01:00:21.000 versus those who are locked into circumstances that deny them the opportunity for economic growth.

01:00:27.000 this is what i thought i could buy wall street man Tim, you brought it up multiple times.

01:00:31.000 It was working.

01:00:32.000 Occupy was working.

01:00:33.000 And Bank of America was shaking.

01:00:34.000 And then all of a sudden, you start to see identity politics.

01:00:37.000 They wouldn't let me speak because I was white.

01:00:38.000 They said, you can't.

01:00:39.000 We've had too many white people. 1.00

01:00:40.000 I was like, I'm about to read the Constitution.

01:00:42.000 And they wouldn't let me.

01:00:43.000 That made it worse.

01:00:44.000 And they were like, what's that guy read the Constitution?

01:00:47.000 No can do!

01:00:49.000 There is another component to this.

01:00:51.000 I agree with you on the corporate elite and those who struggle, but then there is the international versus nationalist view, where you appear to be more of the internationalist sentiment, and Trump supporters appear to be more of the nationalist sentiment.

01:01:02.000 And what I mean by that is... Yeah, you're right.

01:01:05.000 Nationalism is not a good thing.

01:01:08.000 One thing to love your country, patriotism is a good thing.

01:01:11.000 Thinking your country is better and the only one that matters is not a good thing.

01:01:15.000 Well, that's not nationalism.

01:01:16.000 I mean, perhaps there's a better word for that.

01:01:19.000 I think maybe chauvinism, which used to be like bias for males or something, but now is typically represent... Actually, no, I think chauvinism was originally you're boastful about your own country.

01:01:31.000 But to clarify what I mean, Trump supporters...

01:01:35.000 Love America.

01:01:36.000 And many of them will say we're the best country ever.

01:01:37.000 Well, we love America.

01:01:39.000 Right.

01:01:39.000 But so for me, for instance, I don't want foreign war.

01:01:43.000 I don't think we should be sending money to Ukraine.

01:01:45.000 I don't think we should be engaged in the Middle East and Syria. 0.77

01:01:48.000 I don't think we should be occupying Afghanistan.

01:01:51.000 We shouldn't have for as long as we did.

01:01:52.000 It's a disaster.

01:01:53.000 Iraq, all of the same. 0.99

01:01:55.000 Now you've got Lindsey Graham calling for war around. 1.00

01:01:56.000 All that's bad.

01:01:57.000 I don't think we should have economic hitmen going to South America.

01:01:59.000 I think we should have legal immigration.

01:02:02.000 Everybody in the world can come here, but you gotta come here through a process so we can make sure the economy is functioning and everyone's happy.

01:02:07.000 I think we should have manufacturing brought back.

01:02:09.000 I think that we should stop sending our jobs and our factories overseas through failed trade policies.

01:02:16.000 Help the American worker. 0.89

01:02:17.000 help the, you know, your average working class individual, but that also means we can't just

01:02:22.000 have porous borders with 10,000 people coming in every single day. That negatively impacts the

01:02:27.000 people all over this country, and we can see they're angry over it. Where I come from, everything

01:02:32.000 you just said was moderate, and many things that you just said that I definitely think of myself

01:02:39.000 as left-wing agree with. For some reason the media calls me far-right, huh?

01:02:43.000 Pardon?

01:02:43.000 The media calls me far-right.

01:02:44.000 Well, they call me kooky crazy.

01:02:46.000 But that's the thing, they're lying about everything.

01:02:49.000 This nationalism.

01:02:49.000 They decide where they want to put...

01:02:51.000 I kind of decide I'm not really a nationalist.

01:02:53.000 I mean, reading what it actually means, it's the ideology that says that the individual's loyalty and devotion to the nation state surpasses the individual's other groups or interests.

01:03:02.000 So it's like your family, your local community should be the most important thing to you.

01:03:07.000 Yeah, or the rest of the world.

01:03:09.000 God created all men equal.

01:03:11.000 Our Declaration of Independence says all men are created equal, and that's not just all Americans are created equal.

01:03:18.000 All men are created equal.

01:03:19.000 That's our mission statement.

01:03:20.000 This is correct.

01:03:21.000 And non-citizens who are in this country, like a tourist is a good example, have constitutional protection, same as any other person, whether they're a citizen or not. 0.67

01:03:28.000 I suppose the challenge then becomes, I think it's fair to say that American classically and traditionally liberal worldviews don't align with, say, like fundamentalist Islam.

01:03:41.000 Yes, correct.

01:03:42.000 But if we have a porous border where 10,000 people are coming in every day, eventually you end up with communities that are overwhelmingly fundamentally Islamic and will pass laws that say result in female genital mutilation. 0.96

01:03:52.000 Sharia law.

01:03:53.000 Right, and we see this.

01:03:54.000 We see this in parts of the country.

01:03:56.000 That's my concern about immigration. 1.00

01:03:58.000 We want people to come here and integrate with the policies and the plans that have worked and helped so many people.

01:04:03.000 But if immigration is unchecked, you'll end up with, you end up with, what's the right word? 0.97

01:04:09.000 Sharia law?

01:04:10.000 No, no.

01:04:12.000 Isolated districts that operate unanimously.

01:04:16.000 Enclaves?

01:04:17.000 Heterogeneous?

01:04:17.000 Enclave is a good word for it.

01:04:18.000 Rather than when our grandparents, like my grandparents, were eager to assimilate.

01:04:23.000 The term assimilation has kind of become an ugly word to it, or an ugly tone to it nowadays.

01:04:30.000 The way I look at this, this conversation, that one right there for instance, should be a conversation that we should be able to have without anybody feeling There's a yin and a yang here.

01:04:46.000 President Eisenhower said the American mind at its best is both liberal and conservative.

01:04:55.000 There are high-minded liberal views and there are high-minded conservative views.

01:05:00.000 And I think it's important that we remember nobody owes it to you to agree with you.

01:05:04.000 Nobody has a monopoly on truth, and a lot of things can be true at the same time.

01:05:09.000 That's how I feel about the conversation we had about the books in middle school.

01:05:14.000 That's the same to me about some of the racial things you were talking about, and the things we're talking about now.

01:05:20.000 Many things are true at the same time.

01:05:22.000 And the point, the founder's vision, was that if we do talk about it, we're all educated, we're all thinking, What's happened is this characterological way that we all jump to a conclusion, jump to an alignment with a kind of knee-jerk identification with what we think our side is supposed to think.

01:05:42.000 And that's what's taking us down.

01:05:46.000 We should be able to discuss these things just listening to each other.

01:05:50.000 Sometimes we want to rush to what is the answer.

01:05:53.000 And sometimes the answer is just the quality of how we think about the question and how we just Ponder.

01:06:00.000 And reflect.

01:06:00.000 Well, that was right, this is right, true.

01:06:03.000 What he said was true. 0.65

01:06:04.000 What I just said is true.

01:06:06.000 Both are true.

01:06:06.000 This is what we try to do.

01:06:07.000 That's called maturity.

01:06:08.000 That's called maturity.

01:06:09.000 Let's go to a very difficult subject.

01:06:12.000 A what?

01:06:12.000 Let's go to a very difficult subject.

01:06:14.000 Abortion.

01:06:15.000 All right.

01:06:17.000 So, have on your website here, this is Marianne2024.com, 100% pro-choice.

01:06:22.000 Do you want to just break down for us what your view is on abortion, what it should be, access, etc.?

01:06:27.000 I think abortion is a moral issue.

01:06:30.000 But I think it is a moral issue that is between a woman and her conscience, the god of her understanding. 0.98

01:06:38.000 I believe it is an issue of private morality and not public morality.

01:06:43.000 Traditionally in this country, the divide between right and left, people on the right concern themselves more with issues of private morality, people on the left issues of public morality.

01:06:53.000 Like that's why you find people on the right talking about abortion, talking about homosexuality, People on the left talking about economic justice as a moral issue, invading a country that didn't do anything to you as a moral issue.

01:07:05.000 It's kind of inverted now, though.

01:07:07.000 The Democrats are pro, you know, funding for Ukraine, and the Republicans are anti-intervention.

01:07:14.000 Even that, that's a comp- can we just get more real and more deep about it rather than seeing- if they're doing it with Israel and Palestine too, everything- people are trying to make everything black and white now.

01:07:25.000 Well, you said republic- the right tends to do this, the left tends to do that, and I would say a lot of that- But not in terms of specific issues, I didn't mean.

01:07:32.000 But- are we gonna stay with abortion?

01:07:34.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:07:35.000 Okay.

01:07:36.000 I just feel- I trust the moral decision making of the American woman, and I don't think a government has any right to tell a woman what to do with her body.

01:07:44.000 Do you think there should have been any limits on the amount of, like, how many weeks before?

01:07:48.000 Yeah, and the states came up with those limits, and that's why I think what we had with Roe v. Wade was reasonable. 0.58

01:07:55.000 So, in your view, do you think it should be a federally legislated or codified issue pertaining to abortion that should affect all states?

01:08:02.000 Like, Roe v. Wade, for instance, was overturned.

01:08:04.000 As president, would you advocate for or sign a bill that would federally codify Roe v. Wade?

01:08:11.000 Yes.

01:08:12.000 Do you think that there should be limits?

01:08:17.000 How do you phrase this properly?

01:08:18.000 Should there be a time limit, like after 16 weeks or 21 weeks?

01:08:21.000 Well, there always was.

01:08:23.000 There was.

01:08:25.000 There was.

01:08:25.000 But do you think there should be now?

01:08:26.000 Yes, except when issues of health are involved.

01:08:28.000 when yes except when the health of the health of when health issues of health

01:08:32.000 are involved so look so let's say there's no issue of health a woman is 0.99

01:08:37.000 pregnant would it be what's it what's your 360 Listen, when people start talking about this late-term abortion thing, you've got, no, do I think someone, a woman who's 8 months pregnant, just decides, you know, I don't want to do this, should she be able to have an abortion?

01:08:51.000 No.

01:08:51.000 But that doesn't happen.

01:08:53.000 So then would you have an issue with it being made illegal?

01:08:56.000 Well, it was during the, during, when Roe v. Wade was legal.

01:09:01.000 That was not possible.

01:09:03.000 The states had their limits.

01:09:08.000 If a Republican Congress said, OK, it never happens.

01:09:11.000 We're going to ban all abortions after six months. 0.93

01:09:13.000 No, because you've got to keep it medical.

01:09:16.000 I mean, you see what's happening with Kate Cox in Texas now. 0.96

01:09:20.000 I don't think a government should get between a woman and medical decisions. 1.00

01:09:25.000 This is the first I've heard of Kate Cox.

01:09:26.000 Tell me about it.

01:09:27.000 I think Tim's looking it up right now.

01:09:28.000 Yeah, Texas Tribune.

01:09:29.000 Kate Cox's case reveals how far Texas intends to go to enforce it.

01:09:31.000 There's judges saying what that woman has to do and she has to leave Texas to get an abortion that was necessary and it was for her health and for the viability of her being fertile in the future. 1.00

01:09:44.000 Ah, yes, but this was, I believe, the Supreme Court ruled the doctor did not demonstrate a medical need.

01:09:51.000 A bunch of men who are judges in Texas should not be determining what the doctor calls medical need and what the doctors were claiming was that her future fertility was at stake. 1.00

01:10:08.000 So that's not for a bunch of judges in Texas to say, you therefore have not demonstrated medical need because they don't consider that a medical issue.

01:10:17.000 And then this is what kills me.

01:10:20.000 Most of my conservative friends say, we don't want government overreach.

01:10:23.000 To me, that's extraordinary government overreach.

01:10:25.000 That was an issue about that woman and her medical care. 1.00

01:10:29.000 And those old men on some court in Texas say that's not?

01:10:35.000 I wouldn't go that far, but I do think when it comes to medical issues, it's being debated right now.

01:10:41.000 Conservatives saying it's trisomy 18 or something like that.

01:10:46.000 I'm not familiar with the ailment of the child.

01:10:49.000 And they're concerned that it could negatively impact her fertility and the child may not even live that long.

01:10:55.000 There's a possibility the child could live long, but they're not sure.

01:10:58.000 And so that's a very, it is a tough moral position.

01:11:03.000 That's tough for me.

01:11:05.000 That's tough for me.

01:11:06.000 To me, it's not even tough.

01:11:07.000 To me, it's government, get your hands out of this. 0.75

01:11:10.000 But let's go back because I'm going to press you on this.

01:11:14.000 If the Republicans said, if you think late-term abortion, elective late-term abortion never happens, then how about we have a ban?

01:11:20.000 Elective abortion after six months is hereby made illegal.

01:11:23.000 But that is already.

01:11:26.000 Under Roe v. Wade, that was already true.

01:11:30.000 Under Roe v. Wade, that was already true.

01:11:33.000 The states had their limits.

01:11:36.000 And then beyond that, it had to do with what a doctor had to say.

01:11:39.000 Sure.

01:11:39.000 But is that a yes?

01:11:40.000 You would agree with a law banning abortion, elective abortion, after six months?

01:11:43.000 I don't want to give you the set time frame.

01:11:45.000 You can choose whatever time frame you want.

01:11:46.000 After a certain period of time, yeah.

01:11:49.000 My concern is with the definition of what it means to be a medical issue and how do we protect against abuse of the system.

01:12:01.000 I've never been one to say that potential crimes of an individual should then infringe upon someone else's rights for say like medical care.

01:12:09.000 I'm not talking about elective abortion.

01:12:11.000 I'm saying, you know, if a woman has a very serious disease and is going to hemorrhage or something and the doctor's like, ma'am, you're not going to make it.

01:12:17.000 We have to operate now.

01:12:18.000 I think it's absurd to be like, but that would abort the baby.

01:12:20.000 So we got to talk to a judge or something.

01:12:22.000 The concern there, however, is there have been instances where people have tried to argue mental health qualifies and have tried to use that to get elective abortion.

01:12:31.000 It may be rare, but this is the concern conservatives have and pro-life individuals have is preventing abuse of the system and abortion as contraception.

01:12:39.000 No matter what law you pass, there's going to be abuse of the system.

01:12:43.000 I agree.

01:12:43.000 So that's not a reason not to pass a good law.

01:12:47.000 I completely agree.

01:12:48.000 I completely agree.

01:12:50.000 Yeah, the idea that some people will break the law means that everyone must now abide by this harsh standard doesn't necessarily solve the problem. 0.92

01:12:56.000 No, that's ridiculous.

01:12:57.000 But there are concerns, for instance, in Colorado, the new law now, and I understand what you're saying about Roe v. Wade.

01:13:03.000 Currently, abortion in Colorado is one of seven states without any term restrictions as to when a pregnancy can be terminated.

01:13:08.000 It is colloquially described as restrictionless and limitless abortion meaning a woman could be without any medical health issue and at nine months and legally get an abortion.

01:13:21.000 And to the point of birth.

01:13:23.000 So, the famous example of this was when, I think it was Rep Tran, I could be getting her name wrong, in Virginia, argued to a judge that a baby could be at the point of birth and the doctor could terminate the life of the baby under Virginia's bill.

01:13:38.000 The bill didn't pass.

01:13:40.000 Governor Northam got in a lot of heat over this.

01:13:42.000 I think I actually have the story.

01:13:44.000 Yeah, this is right here, some 2019.

01:13:46.000 Virginia governor faces backlash over comments supporting late-term abortion bill, where, whether intentionally or not, he actually described post-birth abortion, which is not a real thing, but he basically described just killing the baby.

01:13:58.000 In his statement on radio, he said the baby would be delivered, resuscitated, and then they would decide if they would like to terminate it.

01:14:04.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:14:04.000 He did say that, yes. 0.87

01:14:06.000 Yeah, but that does not... And he said it's not a real thing.

01:14:10.000 Well, no, no, no.

01:14:11.000 Post-birth abortion is just killing a baby. 1.00

01:14:14.000 So, but that's what Northam actually advocated for.

01:14:16.000 Well, it's absurd.

01:14:19.000 So this issue like this comes up in the press, and just like all the other issues, you'll end up with me like, you know, traditional liberal, fairly pro-choice, but like, I think there should be safe, legal, rare.

01:14:30.000 And you see a story like this, and I'll say, okay, this man's lost his mind.

01:14:33.000 You gotta vote him out of office.

01:14:35.000 Then the media claims he never said it.

01:14:36.000 They claim it's a lie.

01:14:38.000 They say, nobody wants this.

01:14:39.000 It never happens.

01:14:40.000 And we're sitting here like, we got the guy on his audio of him, uh, basically, uh, he says they're done in cases where there may be severe deformities.

01:14:48.000 I can tell you exactly what would happen.

01:14:49.000 The infant would be delivered.

01:14:51.000 The infant would be kept comfortable.

01:14:52.000 The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.

01:14:55.000 And then a discussion would ensue between the physician and the mother.

01:14:59.000 Oh, so they're talking about severely deformed babies?

01:15:03.000 We can, I will give him all of the benefit of the doubt and everything and we will say the most deformed a baby could be. 0.85

01:15:11.000 He's still talking about after it's already born and alive, bring it to another room and then talking with a doctor whether you want to end its life.

01:15:19.000 It's a question of You know, to what degree do we accept deformities to be terminated after birth, right?

01:15:25.000 I mean, this is his quote, CNN has it.

01:15:29.000 You know, what is severe deformity defined as legally?

01:15:34.000 I mean, is Down syndrome considered to that degree?

01:15:38.000 But I mean, one of the most common reasons for abortion is the baby is diagnosed with Down syndrome.

01:15:43.000 But you know now, we have sonograms and we have, what is that other one called?

01:15:48.000 Not sonogram, they know so much now.

01:15:53.000 In your opinion, if a woman found out that her healthy, viable pregnancy, the child had Down syndrome, do you think that's reason for an abortion?

01:16:02.000 I would have the child.

01:16:03.000 I would have a Down syndrome child if I found out I had Down syndrome.

01:16:09.000 But should it be legally allowed for a woman to terminate a pregnancy that is otherwise healthy if the child has Down syndrome?

01:16:16.000 To me, the issue of abortion, whatever the woman's decision has to do with the time, and what that state determines is the time.

01:16:24.000 That is the reason.

01:16:26.000 And then her reasoning is her reasoning.

01:16:28.000 So any reason?

01:16:30.000 No reason at all?

01:16:30.000 Until a certain period of time.

01:16:33.000 Once a child is viable, and this is obviously a baby that could be delivered and live, that's a whole different thing.

01:16:38.000 I completely agree.

01:16:39.000 The argument we've run into with progressives is they actually go beyond that.

01:16:44.000 Even a friend of mine argued that a child, a baby, is not alive until it's delivered.

01:16:50.000 Therefore, a baby at nine months could be aborted if the woman wants. 0.98

01:16:52.000 Well, I don't agree with that.

01:16:53.000 A lot of the progressives, and it's not a lot, mind you, but a couple... Yeah, I know.

01:16:57.000 See, this is where we... This only bolsters and fortifies this separation.

01:17:03.000 Well, progressives say that.

01:17:03.000 No, I think this is healing.

01:17:05.000 I think this is healing.

01:17:06.000 That's why I asked.

01:17:07.000 Hearing from you someone who's running for the Democratic Party saying we don't want these things is exactly what I hope.

01:17:13.000 It is a moral issue.

01:17:14.000 Of course it's a moral issue.

01:17:15.000 This is what we need.

01:17:17.000 I support Roe v. Wade and I think a woman's right to abortion should be codified by law and I would do everything.

01:17:22.000 The idea of a government telling a woman what she has to do is very difficult for me.

01:17:27.000 When the Roe v. Wade decision came out, I was more on the side of, perhaps it's good the states can figure out for themselves and have more nuanced laws, but now, I don't know if I'm for Roe v. Wade, but I'm certainly for the federal legislation and adjudication of when a baby has constitutional rights.

01:17:46.000 So, I believe life begins at conception.

01:17:50.000 However, I'm much more libertarian on the issue, which is why I'm concerned about having to go to a doctor or a panel of judges to determine medical issues.

01:17:56.000 I don't have a good answer.

01:17:56.000 It's tough.

01:17:58.000 But, uh... Excuse me.

01:18:01.000 I just lost my train of thought.

01:18:03.000 We're having a lot of, we're hearing everything that we said would happen with Dobbs is already happening.

01:18:10.000 Great suffering among women. 1.00

01:18:12.000 You know, women used to have, you know, when I was growing up, it was simply before, before Roe v. Wade, and I think I was a little girl at the time, but certainly before it was legal.

01:18:25.000 It was about rich women getting safe abortions and poor women getting unsafe abortions.

01:18:32.000 I remember what I was going to say.

01:18:34.000 Excuse me.

01:18:35.000 I believe the federal government and the Supreme Court needs to issue a ruling on when life begins.

01:18:40.000 They have to.

01:18:41.000 Because the 14th Amendment, under its basic reading, I believe, protects the constitutional rights of the unborn.

01:18:49.000 It says, no person, it does not say citizen, shall have their rights infringed without due process.

01:18:53.000 But if we were to interpret that verbatim, textually, that would mean that if a baby is viable, Then only through adjudication in a court could the woman seek abortion, even if it was for medical reasons.

01:19:05.000 Yeah, this says a legal person is someone that can do things a human person is usually able to do in law.

01:19:12.000 So a baby wouldn't, I mean, an infant in the womb wouldn't be a person if they can't do any, you know, you got to be able to do things that a human can do.

01:19:19.000 But then that means that, like, a seven-month-old baby, a seven, a child, can't do it.

01:19:24.000 I'm sorry to interrupt.

01:19:27.000 Born babies are persons.

01:19:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:29.000 But in womb and utero, it doesn't have legal personhood yet because it doesn't have the ability to do things that a person would do. 0.65

01:19:34.000 Eat, cry... I don't know, but that's not been adjudicated.

01:19:37.000 That's just my argument.

01:19:37.000 That's your opinion.

01:19:39.000 And the Supreme Court needs to rule on their opinion as to when they actually would.

01:19:39.000 It is my opinion, you're right.

01:19:43.000 Legal personhood for babies in utero? 0.92

01:19:43.000 That's my point. 0.92

01:19:45.000 That'd be interesting.

01:19:46.000 Well, if there's a baby that's nine months gestated, In the womb, and a baby that's nine months gestated that's already been delivered, you cannot say that they are different biological entities.

01:19:56.000 The only thing that's different is the layer of flesh between them.

01:19:59.000 The birth itself.

01:20:00.000 You know, Ruby Robe was working. 0.99

01:20:02.000 Ruby Robe was working.

01:20:04.000 I disagree.

01:20:07.000 Clearly when you look at conservatives and the outrage and the sentiment, it wasn't working for them.

01:20:12.000 I always felt like that was a minority.

01:20:13.000 Well, you could say that.

01:20:15.000 I mean, slavery was working for a lot of people.

01:20:19.000 A lot of people were against civil rights legislation.

01:20:22.000 Only, I think, 5% of the country had slaves.

01:20:24.000 Abortion wasn't working for the babies that were getting aborted either. 0.98

01:20:27.000 Just like slavery wasn't working for the slaves, abortion's not working for the babies that are getting aborted. 1.00

01:20:33.000 So you don't think that abortion should be legal under any circumstances?

01:20:37.000 I'm pro-choice for the first trimester.

01:20:40.000 And then at the end of the first trimester... My argument is more so if the baby can survive on its own, you shouldn't kill it.

01:20:46.000 That's a tough argument because if you don't have electricity... Unless there's medical... Yeah, and then my concern is, like I agree with you, I think the idea that a doctor says to you like, hey, you're about to die, better call the judge and get an emergency writ.

01:20:59.000 That's horrifying.

01:21:00.000 That's just insane, I mean...

01:21:02.000 But I suppose if the Supreme Court ruled in the 14th Amendment that the unborn are legal persons, because if a baby is born premature at, what's the earliest they've gone now?

01:21:15.000 It's like 30 weeks or something?

01:21:16.000 Seamus knows way better than me.

01:21:16.000 I don't know.

01:21:17.000 I think 26 weeks.

01:21:19.000 26, right?

01:21:19.000 Something like that.

01:21:20.000 Is that an illegal person?

01:21:21.000 It is. 0.99

01:21:22.000 So if a baby is born as premature as premature can be, and it is alive, And you kill it. 0.70

01:21:29.000 You will be charged with murder.

01:21:30.000 This is generally between 23 and 24 weeks.

01:21:33.000 And you know that, like, right now they have the technology to do artificial wombs.

01:21:39.000 They've raised, you know, they've gestated lambs in an artificial womb.

01:21:42.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:21:43.000 Just because they can take your three-week-old fetus and make it gestate in a tube doesn't mean it's, like, a viable baby.

01:21:49.000 Yes, it does.

01:21:50.000 But the power goes out.

01:21:51.000 I'm not even arguing that.

01:21:51.000 But hold on.

01:21:53.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:21:54.000 A premature child can be put in a safe place where it survives on its own.

01:21:58.000 You've got to feed it and everything, but a premature baby is a legal person.

01:22:04.000 It has the protections of personhood.

01:22:06.000 The only difference between a baby six months that was born premature and a baby six months still in the womb is the layer of flesh between it.

01:22:12.000 It's the birth itself.

01:22:13.000 In which case, I actually think the Supreme Court we currently have may argue The 14th Amendment protects the due process rights of the unborn after viability, which is not too dissimilar from Roe v. Wade, but this results in, after 16 weeks, or maybe 20, a woman who wants an abortion for any reason, even medical, would have to go through a due process system.

01:22:38.000 No, I just don't think the government should be involved there.

01:22:41.000 I suppose the issue is the due process rights of persons.

01:22:45.000 You know, and if a baby after six months is considered a person, if it's outside the womb, then why wouldn't it be inside the womb?

01:22:53.000 And then, does a doctor have the right to kill someone without due process?

01:22:58.000 A doctor takes a Hippocratic Oath.

01:23:00.000 A doctor is not who suggests such... Well, the baby has to die in the abortion.

01:23:08.000 But if the doctor is suggesting that procedure, there is some medical reason having to do with the mother or the child.

01:23:15.000 Well, I agree with you.

01:23:16.000 Right.

01:23:16.000 And so in this circumstance, man, excuse me, frog in my throat.

01:23:19.000 Imagine there's a woman who's six months pregnant. 0.99

01:23:21.000 The baby is viable, can survive on its own.

01:23:24.000 The woman, the doctor says, there is an issue where if you continue this pregnancy right now, 97% chance you die in a week.

01:23:33.000 We need to abort now, otherwise you will die.

01:23:36.000 The baby can survive. 1.00

01:23:38.000 You will die.

01:23:39.000 But no, if that baby could be delivered right now, I mean, why couldn't the baby be delivered right now? 0.69

01:23:47.000 Well, I agree then.

01:23:48.000 In which case, we would say no to the abortion.

01:23:50.000 So then you're saving the baby and you're saving the mother. 0.66

01:23:53.000 It's interesting because I think you actually agree 80% with many of our pro-life friends.

01:23:57.000 Yeah, I feel that way about so many things.

01:23:59.000 Right.

01:24:00.000 And it's just divide.

01:24:02.000 The media divide creates hyper-polarized views of what it should be.

01:24:05.000 It's not just the media who does it.

01:24:07.000 It's not just the media who does it.

01:24:09.000 No, it's the activists too, I think.

01:24:11.000 I totally agree with you.

01:24:13.000 Because really what it boils down to, we are talking about, you know, the edges here when it comes to, you know, most abortions are a form of birth control.

01:24:21.000 Most abortions happen early, the majority of, but then when you start talking to like, you know, Partial birth abortions or whatever they are the the edge cases and so they're there It's not the the primary concern these things tend to come up when you're dealing with political conversations I'm just thinking I would bet you that somebody's gonna take something.

01:24:45.000 It's at here tonight.

01:24:45.000 I say here.

01:24:47.000 I'm just I I was sitting there thinking, my God, this is why people don't, you know, they're going to take one sentence out of context.

01:24:54.000 They're going to show me agreeing with Tim Pool about something out of context.

01:24:59.000 And oh my God, look, she's one of them.

01:25:01.000 I mean, there's already this, this, this meme about me that actually I'm a Christian Republican.

01:25:07.000 And I was talking about a mole or something.

01:25:11.000 That's a large part of the problem and that's also social media did that.

01:25:16.000 Somebody did that with Israel and Palestine for me the other night.

01:25:20.000 One sentence out of context and then One slip of the tongue or one, you know, like, well, we misspoke that one word and you're, you know, you're dead in the water politically.

01:25:30.000 So we're on the other side of the fire.

01:25:32.000 And this is why many liberals don't want to come on the show.

01:25:35.000 Yeah.

01:25:35.000 Because they know.

01:25:39.000 Like you can't say, no, I didn't say it.

01:25:41.000 It just doesn't work.

01:25:41.000 You got to keep making media, keep doing it to reinforce who you are.

01:25:46.000 That's the, I believe that's the way to counteract spin.

01:25:49.000 It's actually, you can't counteract that.

01:25:51.000 You can't really ever counter, well you can diminish it by making your own media and being in control of your own platform.

01:25:56.000 I have to think about that a lot.

01:25:58.000 So the issue with spin is that the corporate press will always do what it does.

01:26:02.000 They are interested in either their political narrative or their clicks.

01:26:06.000 And what clicks will they get from saying Marianne Williamson gives reasonable view on moderate position?

01:26:11.000 Nothing.

01:26:12.000 It's not just the corporate press either.

01:26:14.000 Because sometimes what I've seen in my life with all this is the corporate press will say it, but people who like to think of themselves as sophisticated and invulnerable to social media manipulation are so vulnerable to it.

01:26:29.000 They'll see one anonymous tweet or one article on the internet as though, oh well then that's true.

01:26:35.000 It's just so debased, our level of public dialogue.

01:26:40.000 What's wrong with, we don't, why do we all have to agree on every little thing?

01:26:44.000 We don't.

01:26:45.000 And I see in politics, I see, I have never voted for anyone expecting that I agreed with them on everything.

01:26:55.000 I've never voted for anyone expecting that during their term in office they would agree with me on everything.

01:27:01.000 We're living at a time when you have to line up.

01:27:05.000 And if you don't, if you agree on any little thing, or like we were just talking about, somebody will take something, a clip on the, on the, you know, like it could be tonight, right?

01:27:15.000 I could hear it tomorrow from my team.

01:27:17.000 It went viral.

01:27:18.000 A million people saw you say something out of context. 0.97

01:27:22.000 It's... My advice would just be screw those people. 1.00

01:27:27.000 Well, which is when you're not running for office. 0.93

01:27:31.000 This has certainly been my feeling.

01:27:32.000 I mean, I'm an author, but it's sad for politics because it keeps people of nuance and deeper reflection.

01:27:42.000 It disqualifies you.

01:27:44.000 This is why my view is just good versus evil. 0.63

01:27:48.000 When someone, a parent, sees a book with a blowjob in it, given to their kids, Stonewall Honor Book, and being given to middle schoolers, and that parent says, you know, I take issue with this.

01:28:00.000 And they go to the school board and they say, I don't know why you have this book in the curriculum, I don't think it's appropriate for children.

01:28:07.000 Then all of a sudden you get a wave of activists in the media lying about what happened.

01:28:11.000 Those are evil people.

01:28:12.000 The people who lie about you, and misrepresent you, I believe that's evil. 0.92

01:28:16.000 They are causing damage and destruction to this country.

01:28:19.000 They are harming you, who, you know, obviously you're trying to do good, you're trying to help people, you're trying to be a good person, and we respect it tremendously.

01:28:27.000 But the media thinks you're a threat to their power.

01:28:29.000 I shouldn't say the media, but elements of the political establishment.

01:28:32.000 Political media, industrial complex.

01:28:34.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:28:35.000 I think these people are evil.

01:28:37.000 I find the good and evil thing to even be too polarizing. 0.91

01:28:40.000 But it is evil.

01:28:41.000 It's just a simplification method to divide people.

01:28:43.000 I disagree.

01:28:44.000 Because we all have it within us.

01:28:45.000 We can all turn on a dime.

01:28:46.000 We could say with right and wrong, given that there is evil in the world.

01:28:51.000 And I do believe there's evil in the world.

01:28:53.000 I agree with you that we could, even though, believe me, I'm watching it, I'm living it right now, I'm living it with the way the corporatized political party system is, you know, keeping me out of the conversation, planting stories, planting people in your team, all of that.

01:29:12.000 I see it as wrong.

01:29:13.000 I don't see it as evil.

01:29:14.000 I see it as evil.

01:29:16.000 I mean, look, I think you are a good person.

01:29:21.000 In 2020, in 2019, the primaries and everything, we watched you.

01:29:25.000 We had Michael Malice here yesterday who said that he thinks you're so wonderful and fantastic, you've helped so many people, and the media lies about everything.

01:29:32.000 None of us here or any of our friends have any issue with disagreeing with you.

01:29:35.000 We think we disagree.

01:29:36.000 Ian and I disagree all the time.

01:29:37.000 Let's get to it.

01:29:38.000 So here's my issue.

01:29:40.000 I don't think I'm right about everything.

01:29:41.000 I certainly think I'm right about a lot, but I think I'm wrong about a lot too.

01:29:45.000 And so what I think goodness would be is recognizing that there's a strong possibility I'm wrong about everything, therefore the best outcome for the people of this country, for the world, for the working class, and even the wealthy.

01:29:57.000 We want everyone to succeed and strive.

01:30:00.000 And this means we must be as honest as we can, advocate for what we believe, and represent the positions of others as best we can.

01:30:09.000 So if you tell me your position on, you know, abortion or race or whatever, I want to make sure I have it exactly as you're saying it.

01:30:15.000 We'll break down the core argument, let the people hear it, and then they can say, you know what, Marion's actually right about that.

01:30:21.000 I agree.

01:30:21.000 Because then they can make better decisions, which a rising tide lifts all ships.

01:30:26.000 What we're seeing with the political, what did you call it, the political... Media industrial complex, and it is that.

01:30:32.000 What they're saying is, I don't care if she's right.

01:30:35.000 I deserve the power.

01:30:37.000 So lie.

01:30:38.000 That's exactly correct.

01:30:38.000 Trick people into giving us the power and we'll do what we want because we're smarter than you.

01:30:43.000 That is, that is totally correct.

01:30:45.000 I, you know, not just to clarify because I'll clip you.

01:30:47.000 I said, I say that's evil.

01:30:48.000 You said they're doing wrong.

01:30:49.000 I think it is evil for someone to trick people into stealing power.

01:30:53.000 Well, let's talk about it in terms of The foundational principles of the United States.

01:30:58.000 We could stay away from right and wrong, good and evil, and go right to undemocratic.

01:31:03.000 It is an assault and an undermining of democracy.

01:31:07.000 So I think, you know, the founders, and I've heard you actually, I heard a clip of you the other day, because I said, Oh, I'm going to look at a little bit before I Go on his show, and you were talking about the Declaration of Independence and first principles and total agreement.

01:31:22.000 So the founders did not expect that we would come to the quote-unquote right decision every time.

01:31:28.000 But as Jefferson said, the only safe repository for power is in the hands of the people.

01:31:32.000 So the whole idea of public education, the whole idea of free speech, the whole idea of a free press, the whole idea of freedom of assembly was so that we could Discuss things that we would have critical thought processes that were that were educated And so what the founders said is if that's the case and we really have the right to discuss these things more often than not The truth will out there's something so profound about that.

01:32:00.000 So this corporatized media and and and social media Suppression of truth, smearing of people, mischaracterizing people, and believe me, I don't think anybody knows it more than I do actually, is a way of suppressing the democratic process.

01:32:19.000 Agreed.

01:32:19.000 I'm concerned about the public school because you were saying education is key, but like this John Dewey Rockefeller public school thing that got built in like the late 1910, 1913.

01:32:29.000 Yeah, that's not the Founding Fathers vision of how education would happen.

01:32:33.000 It creates uniformity of thought.

01:32:34.000 It doesn't build critical thinking.

01:32:37.000 It creates centralization of indoctrination.

01:32:39.000 Well, it was a post-industrial thing.

01:32:41.000 It was really creating workers more than creating freedom workers.

01:32:44.000 The bell rings.

01:32:44.000 Does the shift change?

01:32:46.000 What's the best way to create critical thought?

01:32:47.000 They even look like factories and prisons.

01:32:49.000 How do you inspire critical thinking?

01:32:52.000 Great teaching.

01:32:54.000 Great teachers.

01:32:55.000 That's why I have so much respect for teachers.

01:32:57.000 We are going to go to Super Chats and take some questions.

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01:33:36.000 Alright, let's grab some superchats.

01:33:37.000 We got Clint Torres says, Howdy people!

01:33:40.000 Dearest Chet, I must leave you.

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01:33:43.000 How long will I be there?

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01:33:52.000 See ya later, Clint!

01:33:53.000 That is one hell of a super chat.

01:33:55.000 I think that's a quote from something.

01:33:58.000 What is it from?

01:34:00.000 Oh, it's two super chats?

01:34:03.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:34:04.000 says, Tim, now that those people polled and the Mediite readers will be like, who's Tim Poole and why would he be influential, it'll expand the reach of you and Jack.

01:34:13.000 So, this organization, I'm being told it's affiliated with Ron DeSantis' campaign, or not his campaign, his super PAC.

01:34:21.000 They did a poll and they wrote this story up saying, Poll finds Tim Poole and Jack Posobiec are not influential.

01:34:28.000 And I'm just like, now hold on there a gosh darn minute.

01:34:31.000 Why would you write a story about two people you think are unknowns with no influence?

01:34:37.000 Who's going to click the story?

01:34:38.000 Imagine if someone wrote a story and said, you know, John Aaron Ferguson and Bill Dershley are not influential.

01:34:45.000 You'd be like, who?

01:34:46.000 Like, why would you click it?

01:34:47.000 But I will say, the funny thing is, this is what Raymond's referencing, the poll actually found, and this is wild, despite the fact they're saying no one knows who Tim Poole is and he's not influential, the poll found one in three people are familiar with me.

01:35:00.000 Which is freaky!

01:35:01.000 So I think the poll's probably bunk, but it certainly did not produce the results they were trying to claim it did.

01:35:07.000 Yeah, they said it's like 69% were unfamiliar with Poole, like 31% of people you asked knew who I was?

01:35:13.000 That's crazy!

01:35:14.000 Why did DeSantis care if you're in?

01:35:17.000 What was that about?

01:35:18.000 Well, I don't know about him personally, but we are not fans of the DeSantis campaign and his staffers and his surrogates. 0.91

01:35:27.000 I think they are just despicable people. 0.96

01:35:30.000 Absolutely despicable. 0.99

01:35:31.000 Hey, speak for yourself.

01:35:31.000 You said we.

01:35:33.000 I don't know him personally.

01:35:34.000 I'd like to meet- I'm talking about his campaign.

01:35:35.000 We gotta have Christina Pashaun here to defend herself, because I am not happy the way she ran DeSantis' campaign. 1.00

01:35:41.000 I would like to talk to her through her face. 0.89

01:35:43.000 We invited her before, but I think she's made it clear as to why she shouldn't be on the show, and it's because, like, You know, sometimes we do want to get some fans to call into the show, but we don't do full two-hour segments where we just invite some random person off the street to come and talk politics.

01:36:00.000 We usually try to find someone who has a body of work in some way.

01:36:03.000 You don't have to have a million followers.

01:36:05.000 Some people come on the show, they have like 3,000, you know, or none at all.

01:36:07.000 They don't even have a social media account, but they're doing something relevant work.

01:36:11.000 Kristina Pasha views herself as just a fan of politics.

01:36:14.000 She's on Twitter and having flame wars with, like, random Twitter accounts.

01:36:18.000 Get out here, Christina. 1.00

01:36:19.000 Nah, I'm not interested in grabbing a random flame war Twitter account and having him come on the show.

01:36:23.000 I'm very disappointed in the way his campaign was run.

01:36:25.000 I will admit that.

01:36:26.000 Basically, this is what they do, they lie. 1.00

01:36:30.000 Like, the idea that a polling agency affiliated with his PAC would make some ridiculously stupid story saying Tim Poole's not influential, it's just the, like, stupidest thing I've ever heard. 0.97

01:36:42.000 Because, like I was saying, Mediaite published a story saying Paul finds Tim Pool is not influential. 0.93

01:36:48.000 Well then why would anyone click the story?

01:36:50.000 Who wants to read about a guy they never heard about for no reason to find out a guy they don't know about has no relevance?

01:36:55.000 How many people did they poll for that?

01:36:57.000 I don't even know, but like the point is, would you read an article that says, Paul finds John Ferguson does not, is not known by you?

01:37:04.000 You'd be like, you're correct.

01:37:05.000 Yeah, they used your name on purpose, because they knew it would get clicks.

01:37:08.000 Exactly, which contradicts the poll!

01:37:11.000 And the poll found that one in three people actually do know who I am.

01:37:14.000 That's kind of insane to think about.

01:37:16.000 And they frame it as though Republicans don't trust Tim Pool.

01:37:19.000 I'm not a Republican.

01:37:20.000 I don't like Republicans either.

01:37:21.000 Why are they making this fake story?

01:37:23.000 So what happens is you have Trump gets kicked off the ballot in Colorado.

01:37:29.000 Actually, real quick, what are your thoughts on that?

01:37:31.000 Do you agree with Trump?

01:37:32.000 The thing about the Supreme Court saying he can't be on the ballot?

01:37:37.000 I think, and certainly I disagree with Trump politically.

01:37:40.000 I have extreme disagreements.

01:37:44.000 But he has not been convicted of insurrection.

01:37:47.000 And I think that what is better for everyone is that Donald Trump is given a fair treatment before the law.

01:37:57.000 That's what I believe.

01:37:58.000 So what happens with the DeSantis camp is Vivek Ramaswamy says, I will withdraw from the primary unless they allow Donald Trump to be involved.

01:38:08.000 Ron DeSantis was asked, would you also withdraw?

01:38:11.000 And he says, no, I earned the delegates.

01:38:14.000 This is how it's played, 9-10 to win, but I do think it'll be overturned anyway.

01:38:18.000 I find that despicable.

01:38:19.000 I think every Republican should refuse to participate in an election for which one person has been unconstitutionally removed.

01:38:29.000 Well, you know, we have our own stuff going on on the Democratic side.

01:38:32.000 Trust me.

01:38:33.000 And I think what they're doing to you and even Cenk Uygur, despite his constitutional arguments on citizenship, I think that's completely wrong.

01:38:40.000 And I think they should have a primary.

01:38:41.000 But we have a system of justice.

01:38:43.000 I mean, this this case, it's now in Colorado.

01:38:46.000 We'll go higher and let the system play out.

01:38:50.000 I mean, I think that we have to have some trust in the justice system.

01:38:53.000 It'll be interesting to see what the Supreme Court says, but the Supreme Court, I'm sure, will be weighing in on it.

01:38:58.000 They could just say, no, we won't get involved.

01:39:01.000 In Texas v. Pennsylvania in 2020, the Supreme Court said, not interested.

01:39:04.000 Shocking!

01:39:05.000 A lot of people, are you familiar with what happened in Texas v. Pennsylvania was a lawsuit in 2020 and 2021 pertaining to procedural changes that violated the Constitution.

01:39:18.000 in the elections held by several states and the Supreme Court said we will not

01:39:22.000 weigh in at all. And so that meant issues pertaining to constitutional procedures

01:39:28.000 in federal elections went unanswered and this is a huge component in why Trump

01:39:32.000 supporters think the election was stolen. It's a huge component as to why

01:39:35.000 January 6th happened at all.

01:39:37.000 It may be one of the biggest, if not the biggest.

01:39:39.000 Yeah, if the Supreme Court had heard that case, if they had actually heard the case and just had a decision on it, I am willing to bet that January 6th doesn't happen at all.

01:39:49.000 So this is 48 states involved in a lawsuit.

01:39:52.000 So 48 states were involved in a lawsuit to the Supreme Court.

01:39:58.000 Asking the Supreme Court to weigh on the legality of executives and judiciaries altering procedure in elections, Texas argued that the Constitution gives unilateral authority to the legislature to determine how an election is run, and the legislature has to have final say on the certification.

01:40:16.000 If the election is changed outside of the purview of the legislature, the legislative branch of the state must approve those changes.

01:40:26.000 So in Pennsylvania, for instance, you had changes to voting laws.

01:40:30.000 In Georgia, you had the governor making changes.

01:40:33.000 Texas said, how are we supposed to participate in an election when these states are in violation of the rules of the election for which we are participating?

01:40:42.000 And the Supreme Court said, not interested.

01:40:45.000 Because the Supreme Court was leaving it to the states to be in charge of their elections.

01:40:49.000 Well, this didn't answer the question of, the Constitution says the legislative branch has the final say.

01:40:55.000 The Supreme Court saying we don't care if a governor ignores the legislative branch outright says there is no answer to be given as to whether or not this violates the Constitution.

01:41:07.000 So everyone's left in limbo shrugging like, what do we do?

01:41:11.000 Look at what happened in 2000.

01:41:12.000 The Constitution says that states are in charge of their elections.

01:41:17.000 Talk about judicial overreach.

01:41:19.000 The Supreme Court said Florida couldn't count its own votes.

01:41:24.000 That is unconstitutional.

01:41:28.000 The reason they had to stop is because the end date came.

01:41:32.000 No, they said that because they felt it would be an unusual burden on George Bush.

01:41:37.000 You know, I gotta be honest, I just don't think I'm old enough to have that be relevant to my view of what happened in 2020.

01:41:42.000 Yeah.

01:41:43.000 So I absolutely respect your position on it.

01:41:46.000 My point is... That's 2000.

01:41:47.000 So the Constitution actually says the legislative branch.

01:41:50.000 It is up to the legislative branches of the states to determine how they're... Of the states, that's my point.

01:41:53.000 Right.

01:41:54.000 Not the governor and not judges.

01:41:56.000 So if a judge changes the rules to an election, the question raised by Texas was, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:42:02.000 The Constitution, and per the Supreme Court's own rulings, You know, the legislative branch should be determining the final outcome of how the auctions are run, not a judge changing at the last minute.

01:42:13.000 And the Supreme Court just said, not interested.

01:42:16.000 And so this was an original jurisdiction lawsuit.

01:42:18.000 It wasn't an appeal.

01:42:20.000 There was no answer given as to whether or not states, the legislative branch, must be the principal factor in determining their elections.

01:42:28.000 So you end up with 48 states involved.

01:42:31.000 I believe it was 48.

01:42:33.000 Texas v. Pennsylvania, and then every other state joined sides either with Pennsylvania or Texas.

01:42:38.000 Amicus briefs flying through the air, and it was only Thomas and Alito who said, we need to answer this question.

01:42:43.000 The rest said, leave us out of it.

01:42:45.000 So what happens?

01:42:47.000 Trump supporters say the Supreme Court has abandoned us.

01:42:50.000 They've not answered the question of how the elections are supposed to be run, combined with the fraud narrative and a bunch of other things results in a lot of people losing their minds.

01:42:58.000 But I agree with Phil.

01:42:59.000 I think that if the Supreme Court weighed in and gave a simple opinion, Then you don't think that Donald Trump would have claimed that the election was stolen?

01:43:10.000 He wouldn't have had to.

01:43:11.000 He absolutely would have.

01:43:12.000 And you don't think that the crowd would have walked over to the Capitol?

01:43:14.000 If the Supreme Court took the case and ruled on the merits, Donald Trump would be president.

01:43:19.000 Oh, well, okay, all right, so fair enough.

01:43:21.000 I totally don't agree.

01:43:24.000 If they had ruled that it was, if they had actually taken it and said, no, it's fine.

01:43:28.000 The Supreme Court ruled that a governor does not have the right to change how votes are counted without the approval of the legislature.

01:43:35.000 Mike Pence would have been required to send those votes from numerous states back to the legislature to approve.

01:43:40.000 The legislatures were Republican and probably would have partisanly just sided with Trump.

01:43:45.000 Trump would have had nothing to complain about because the Supreme Court, I believe the only correct ruling and the reason why they didn't take it up was that in Georgia you had the governor issuing rulings on how the election would be run in violation of the Constitution.

01:43:58.000 It was the Secretary of State.

01:43:59.000 Also in violation of the Constitution.

01:44:02.000 The Constitution says the states are in charge.

01:44:02.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:44:04.000 the elections and determines how they're.

01:44:06.000 So if this I think the reason the Supreme Court rejected this is they knew the end result

01:44:10.000 would be not that they would determine Trump as president, but that they would say only

01:44:15.000 the legislative branch decides.

01:44:18.000 Immediately then the legislative branches of these states would say, we hereby nullify

01:44:21.000 those results.

01:44:22.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:44:23.000 The Constitution says the states are in charge.

01:44:25.000 Does the Constitution say the state legislature is in charge?

01:44:29.000 It says the state legislature has final say on the running of the elections.

01:44:31.000 Yeah, specifically.

01:44:32.000 And that's why that was, that's why there was a challenge brought because the, it wasn't

01:44:37.000 the legislature making the judge.

01:44:39.000 For instance, in Pennsylvania, this was big, a lower court judge ruled that the, uh, the

01:44:44.000 The universal mail-in voting bill was actually unconstitutional on the merits, but it was appealed by Democrat groups to the state Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court ruled, despite the fact the Constitution does bar mail-in votes, we will allow this to happen.

01:45:00.000 That's why Texas sued Pennsylvania saying, whoa, whoa, your own state constitution says you can't have universal mail-in voting and you're doing it anyway.

01:45:08.000 So they said, Supreme Court, you need to stop this.

01:45:10.000 This is in violation of their own constitution.

01:45:13.000 But maybe the state legislature had given that.

01:45:15.000 Maybe the state legislature had.

01:45:17.000 They did.

01:45:18.000 All right, well, if the state legislature had said to the election board or to the Secretary of State, or had given that, then that is the final say.

01:45:27.000 It is not, because the law of Pennsylvania states that in order to amend the Constitution legislatively, there's a series of procedures that must be done.

01:45:35.000 The state legislature abandoned the procedures for amending the Constitution and decided to force through a bill anyway.

01:45:41.000 It was a bipartisan agreement between Republicans and Democrats.

01:45:44.000 Republicans thought that if they got rid of the single-party voting, that the idea was someone could go in and just hit all Democrat and then throw their vote in and not have to worry about names.

01:45:53.000 The Republican legislature said, we'll give you universal mail-in voting if you get rid of down-ballot party voting.

01:46:00.000 However, many people in the state said, whoa, whoa, you can't do that.

01:46:03.000 That violates the Constitution.

01:46:05.000 This is an unconstitutional deal between Republicans and Democrats.

01:46:09.000 They went to court and a lower court judge ruled correct.

01:46:13.000 It is unconstitutional to have universal mail-in voting.

01:46:16.000 Democratic groups appealed to the state Supreme Court who said, no, no, no, this should be allowed.

01:46:21.000 Texas then intervened and said, how can we be party to an election in this country if a state's in violation of its own constitution and a judge altered the rules in violation of the federal constitution?

01:46:33.000 They asked for an answer from the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said, not interested.

01:46:38.000 Everybody loses their minds.

01:46:39.000 Because Pennsylvania had the right to do what Pennsylvania wanted to do.

01:46:43.000 Pennsylvania does not have the right to supersede its own constitution.

01:46:47.000 The government still has to follow the law.

01:46:51.000 If they want to change the law, they can change it.

01:46:53.000 If Republicans right now, in the House, voted to ban free speech, would you say that's okay?

01:46:59.000 Well, the Constitution protects us, right?

01:46:59.000 No.

01:47:00.000 But we have a Supreme Court.

01:47:02.000 That's why there are three co-equal branches of government.

01:47:04.000 The Supreme Court would then have a chance to weigh in on that, and would say that that law is unconstitutional.

01:47:11.000 And what if the Supreme Court just said, we're not going to weigh in?

01:47:14.000 Well, I would agree on that one.

01:47:15.000 You know, that's the point.

01:47:16.000 They refused to weigh in on something that was... I don't think, even if there's, you know, a lot of the things you're bringing up, I do remember vaguely that there was this stuff with Texas and Pennsylvania, but I'd have to like think about it and read about it to weigh in too much on that.

01:47:31.000 I can tell you this, however, I do not believe that that was the reason, no matter what he said, that Donald Trump, you know, I don't think Donald Trump was taking this big sophisticated argument.

01:47:41.000 A reason.

01:47:42.000 Not the reason.

01:47:43.000 And I don't think that the people who went over to the Capitol that day and bashed in the window said, you know, it's all because of Texas and Pennsylvania.

01:47:53.000 What do you think about the criminal charges against the people from January 6?

01:47:58.000 I think that we have a criminal justice system.

01:48:01.000 But a specific example, Enrique Tarrio was not there.

01:48:04.000 Pardon?

01:48:05.000 Enrique Tarrio was not in DC.

01:48:06.000 But the jury, and there was a jury there, this was the Proud Boys?

01:48:12.000 Enrique Tarrio was the chair of the Proud Boys.

01:48:13.000 So the jury said, based on things that he had done with groups of people, that he had done on Facebook, etc., a jury decided his culpability.

01:48:23.000 Do you think that a D.C.

01:48:24.000 jury was a jury of his peers?

01:48:26.000 Well, I think that that's... If he had wanted to argue that he could not get a fair trial in Washington, then the legal system is such that he could have made that argument.

01:48:34.000 He did.

01:48:34.000 They said no.

01:48:35.000 And they said no.

01:48:36.000 Listen, it isn't... There's going to be a civil war in this country.

01:48:39.000 You're saying there's going to be?

01:48:41.000 I think it is an absolute fact.

01:48:43.000 And I'll tell you... So you think that the law is being weaponized against everybody having anything to do with January 6th?

01:48:49.000 Twenty years?

01:48:50.000 Oh, oh, oh.

01:48:51.000 So, first, did you know that there are people who are acquitted on January 6th because they showed up, opened sidewalks, no gates, police fanned them in and opened the doors, and then when they went to court, they said, Your Honor, here's a video of the cop welcoming me in.

01:49:05.000 The cop said, You're right, case dismissed.

01:49:06.000 Did you know that?

01:49:07.000 And they should be dismissed in that case.

01:49:09.000 Did you know that's hundreds of them?

01:49:11.000 If that is all that someone did, then they should be acquitted.

01:49:14.000 And there are people who are going to, uh, people I've met who are going to jail for 18 months because an hour after the riot on the other side of the building, Trump was speaking.

01:49:23.000 He finishes speaking.

01:49:24.000 The riot is already happening.

01:49:26.000 After the right was cleared out, there were many people who showed up, no barricades, no signs, and the police opened the doors.

01:49:33.000 There's one family that I met.

01:49:34.000 They were not party to any violence.

01:49:36.000 They walked up the sidewalk with little American flags.

01:49:40.000 They were cops holding the door open.

01:49:41.000 They waved, walked in, looked around.

01:49:43.000 They said they were there about three minutes, shrugged and said, oh, that was cool.

01:49:47.000 And then a few months later, the FBI came to their house in the middle of the night or in the early hours of the morning, arrested them in front of their children, brought them to trial.

01:49:53.000 And when they argued, we were there an hour after all this.

01:49:56.000 There were no signs.

01:49:57.000 There was no barricades.

01:49:58.000 The police let us in.

01:49:58.000 They said, we don't care.

01:49:59.000 Guilty 18 months.

01:50:00.000 Well, that sounds wrong to me.

01:50:01.000 And that's a lot of these people.

01:50:03.000 Well, you know, that that that is like hard to believe.

01:50:09.000 It's true.

01:50:10.000 Well, and I'm not listen, I'm not saying that the legal system never makes mistakes either.

01:50:14.000 Was that a case that was tried by a jury?

01:50:16.000 Yes.

01:50:18.000 So what did the jury say?

01:50:19.000 What was the what was the prosecution's argument?

01:50:21.000 Trump supporters are insurrectionists.

01:50:22.000 You go to jail.

01:50:25.000 I don't know, I'd have to read about this, Tim.

01:50:26.000 I agree, I think you should.

01:50:29.000 I'm not trying to say you're not saying the truth, but I'm saying some of these conversations I would have to read.

01:50:36.000 I completely understand.

01:50:38.000 So the reason why I said there's gonna be a civil war is I do not think you will find 74 million people who voted for Donald Trump are willing to accept that a man who was not at January 6th is going to prison for 20 years for posting on, I believe it was Getter, quote, don't leave.

01:50:58.000 And for that, they sentenced Enrique Tarrio to 20 years in prison.

01:51:02.000 They're not sending him for 20 years only for that.

01:51:06.000 What did he do?

01:51:07.000 They say that he had to do with the entire setup and the entire planning and the entire making it happen.

01:51:12.000 He's not going to jail just for saying, don't leave.

01:51:15.000 Have you read the court documents?

01:51:16.000 I read an article about it.

01:51:18.000 I have not read the court documents.

01:51:19.000 So my point could be, let's put it this way.

01:51:21.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:51:23.000 Maybe you're wrong.

01:51:25.000 We can shake hands on that.

01:51:26.000 And so the issue then becomes a man is going to prison for 20 years.

01:51:30.000 Donald Trump voters will not accept that.

01:51:32.000 Will Donald Trump voters need to read the court documents as apparently you and I do as well?

01:51:36.000 But I did.

01:51:37.000 I did.

01:51:38.000 That's my point.

01:51:38.000 My point is I did read the case.

01:51:40.000 We covered it quite extensively.

01:51:41.000 We've had Enrique on the show several times.

01:51:43.000 So you're saying that he's being a jury is sending him to jail for 20 years and you're saying it's only because he said don't leave.

01:51:51.000 I think they're sending him to jail because he's a prominent Trump supporter and the chair of the Proud Boys.

01:51:56.000 But this argument would suggest that this massive conspiracy by which every jury member is talking to every... Do you think that if you were tried by a trial of Trump's most ardent supporters, they'd be fair to you?

01:52:12.000 This is why you have jury questioning before someone is even allowed onto the jury.

01:52:17.000 I would hope... But D.C.

01:52:18.000 is 90 plus percent Democrat.

01:52:21.000 But still, a Democrat is different than whether or not... You think Joe Biden would get a fair trial in Montana?

01:52:31.000 I think we are, in essence, a purple nation in our hearts, and I think people are interrogated before they're allowed to sit on a jury, and if they say things that are clearly prejudicial, then they're not allowed to sit on that jury.

01:52:45.000 So, let's try this.

01:52:47.000 The people who supported Donald Trump enough to go and storm into the Capitol, right?

01:52:50.000 Yes.

01:52:51.000 Trump got 74 million votes.

01:52:53.000 Not every single person would agree with that, but 250,000 people were in D.C.

01:52:56.000 that day to support Donald Trump.

01:52:58.000 People holding that sentiment, do you think they would fairly assess a criminal trial against a Hunter Biden?

01:53:06.000 Listen, I have two very close friends who are Trump supporters, but I think that they would wish to give someone a fair trial no matter who they were.

01:53:14.000 I don't think that who you support politically, I like to think that there is a center of conscience in this country.

01:53:22.000 The fact that I support someone politically doesn't mean I'm going to sacrifice my integrity or my adherence to the law.

01:53:28.000 So where are the criminal prosecutions for the rioters in 2017, on January 20th?

01:53:36.000 Does it set fire to vehicles, torch things in the streets, smashed windows, beat police?

01:53:41.000 Anytime there is anyone who acts outside the law, there is a reason for them to be held accountable.

01:53:50.000 That's why Lady Justice has a blindfold on. 1.00

01:53:52.000 If it is fair, then why is it that the far-left extremists who set fires and vandalized and destroyed things in DC, not only were they acquitted, I should say not even acquitted, the charges were dropped, but they were paid out a million-dollar settlement.

01:54:06.000 Why is it that in Washington DC, when the far-left Destroys, burns, and vandalizes, and bangs on the doors, and smashes their way into these buildings.

01:54:16.000 Nothing.

01:54:18.000 Well, first of all, rioting in the street is different than attacking the Capitol of the United States and calling for the death of a vice president with a guillotine.

01:54:27.000 Sure, but let's compare, say, a guy, the Q Shaman, for instance, right? 0.99

01:54:32.000 You're familiar with the Q Shaman?

01:54:34.000 He was escorted into the building by police.

01:54:36.000 They walk him around on video, trying to open doors for him and lead him to the Senate chamber.

01:54:41.000 Why did that guy go to prison, but the people who occupied and disrupted Congress for, say, abortion rights or for the Dakota Access Pipeline, when the left goes and occupies congressional buildings by force... Wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:54:56.000 We're talking about individuals, right?

01:54:58.000 Our elected representatives were afraid for their lives.

01:55:02.000 The building was stormed.

01:55:04.000 But I'm not talking about that.

01:55:06.000 But you are when you're talking about the difference between the shaman... Who was led in by police, I'm saying.

01:55:11.000 Pardon?

01:55:11.000 Who was escorted in by police.

01:55:13.000 So I'm comparing a specific instance where a guy is brought in by the police officers who give him a tour, open the door for him, and show him where to go.

01:55:21.000 He's surrounded by cops.

01:55:22.000 They give him a guided tour on video.

01:55:24.000 This is all... you can watch it.

01:55:27.000 My question is, in that particular instance, this one guy who's like notorious, He goes to prison.

01:55:33.000 How about a better example?

01:55:34.000 Owen Schroer did not enter the building.

01:55:36.000 Owen Schroer was at a permitted rally on the Capitol grounds and he went to prison and just got out last week.

01:55:44.000 And what did he say?

01:55:47.000 Did he exhort people to enter the building?

01:55:49.000 Did he exhort people to violence? 0.99

01:55:51.000 He said things like Democrats are communists and communists should die or something.

01:55:55.000 Well, that's not against the law. 0.90

01:55:56.000 Well, he went to prison for it.

01:55:57.000 Well, you know, once again, Tim, I'd have to read about that.

01:55:59.000 I mean, I don't know about that particular case.

01:56:02.000 I think we can agree that people should be held accountable, but should be held fairly accountable, and that the legal system should be fair to everyone.

01:56:12.000 That's what we can agree on.

01:56:13.000 I suppose the issue for me is, and the reason why I say there will be a civil war is because When it comes to a general conversation with the public, they believe lies from the corporate press about what really happened that day and on other days, and it results in torture, solitary confinement, political persecutions, and this is all actively happening right now.

01:56:33.000 You do think that some of the people who came into the building that day were acting violently.

01:56:39.000 We see that as well.

01:56:40.000 You do believe that some people... I believe a lot of them, and I believe they should go to jail for a good amount of time.

01:56:40.000 Yes.

01:56:47.000 20 years, however?

01:56:48.000 Well, once again, that's up to a jury and a judge.

01:56:51.000 It's our legal system.

01:56:52.000 So the problem then becomes, at a certain point, if Antifa, the Summer of Love riots, firebombed the White House, which they did, where's the May 29th hearings?

01:57:03.000 Why do we not have a May 29th commission on the firebombing of the White House in St. 0.82

01:57:07.000 John's Church?

01:57:08.000 Listen, once again, this is why Lady Liberty has a blindfold on. 1.00

01:57:14.000 This is why prosecutors should try to be fairer, obviously.

01:57:17.000 Well, no, no, I get it.

01:57:18.000 So, what it comes down to, I believe, is that you don't know about it.

01:57:21.000 And I don't mean that disrespectfully.

01:57:22.000 You don't know about the specific cases on January 6th?

01:57:26.000 No, no, no, the firebombing of the White House on May 29th, 2020.

01:57:30.000 Firebombing of the White House?

01:57:31.000 No, I don't.

01:57:32.000 Firebombing of the White House on May 29th, 2020.

01:57:34.000 So, I assume that you're saying it's because the corporate media did not want me to know?

01:57:38.000 I mean, no, honestly, it was reported widely.

01:57:40.000 There were photos of smoke rising all over D.C.

01:57:42.000 It was a mass riot.

01:57:43.000 They were making fun of Donald Trump.

01:57:46.000 Donald Trump was forced into a bunker.

01:57:48.000 The police came out and started pushing people out.

01:57:50.000 But there's been no hearings.

01:57:51.000 There's been no commission.

01:57:52.000 St.

01:57:52.000 John's Church was set on fire.

01:57:54.000 This is a historic American church.

01:57:56.000 I know that church.

01:57:57.000 It's where I live.

01:57:58.000 Far-left extremists firebombed the White House grounds.

01:58:01.000 The reason you don't know about it- 70 plus- Firebombed- Throwing Molotov cocktails at the White House and torched a guard post.

01:58:08.000 70 plus police officers were injured- And so what happened?

01:58:11.000 Nothing.

01:58:12.000 The reason you don't know about it is because the media doesn't make a big deal about it.

01:58:15.000 I disagree.

01:58:16.000 I think it's because, with all due respect, I don't think you read the news the way Trump supporters and we do.

01:58:22.000 I'm not saying we as Trump supporters- Well, those two things are not mutually exclusive.

01:58:27.000 I think that the average liberal... I mean, the algorithms and so forth, because I do read the news and I do watch and I think of myself as informed and I'm not... I'll look, trust me, I'll look.

01:58:36.000 I think what happens is the average liberal is getting their news and information from pundits, not from news sources.

01:58:42.000 Well, I think that's what's wrong with our news media today.

01:58:45.000 It's more people's opinions than it is accurate reporting.

01:58:49.000 So, we get smeared all the time as We have this one agency trying to smear us as fake news despite the fact we use NewsGuard, which is a certification agency which speaks highly of the New York Times and all the corporate press.

01:59:02.000 All the sources we use are always certified as credible, but they attack us because In terms of punditry, if you watch Chris Matthews or Rachel Maddow, they are lying to you.

01:59:12.000 John Oliver is one of the most deceptive and manipulative people.

01:59:15.000 Jimmy Kimmel is... I view him as malicious evil. 0.99

01:59:18.000 He wished death upon his own friend live on television. 1.00

01:59:21.000 What a despicable man.

01:59:22.000 And then if you watch Fox News, it's like fairly bad, but not that bad.

01:59:27.000 You definitely gotta do your own reading.

01:59:29.000 But we should read Super Chats.

01:59:31.000 I know, when it comes... Because I'm just ranting.

01:59:33.000 When it comes to a lot of the people that you were mentioning, you know, on MSNBC and CNN, what I experience, which is really chilling, is just complete invisibilization.

01:59:44.000 Erasure.

01:59:45.000 You know when I was first when I first announced that I was running for president, I heard a woman say on CNN She was obviously very miffed that I was running and she said I think we should just ignore her We should just pretend that she's not running and I thought well good luck and that's exactly what they did.

01:59:59.000 That's their playbook Yeah, like you said at 13% this week on Quinnipiac, which which is really amazing considering the fact that I Do not get that exposure on those channels.

02:00:13.000 Let's just pretend she's not there I'll go a little bit long to read superchats because that's my fault and there are some very nice things people are saying to you and some good questions.

02:00:21.000 Allie L says, Marianne, I've been blessed by your work for 15 plus years and I appreciate you.

02:00:26.000 Please consider reading the early church fathers and their writings pertaining to Jesus Christ.

02:00:30.000 God bless you and Merry Christmas to the whole TimCast group.

02:00:32.000 Cheers.

02:00:33.000 Very nice.

02:00:35.000 They're nice, right?

02:00:36.000 Positive people.

02:00:37.000 Yes.

02:00:41.000 The SIGP says, with all due respect, as soon as they show her the JFK photo, she is going to fold to the will of the party.

02:00:47.000 Acknowledging the issue is not enough.

02:00:49.000 What?

02:00:49.000 Jesus Christ.

02:00:50.000 Which JFK photos are we?

02:00:52.000 Just a plain old picture of JFK.

02:00:55.000 The joke is, the reason why we don't get change is, take any presidential candidate who says good things.

02:01:01.000 Oh, I see.

02:01:02.000 The moment they sit down in the office, a guy from the CIA sits down and says, just wanted to leave this with you, and they slide a picture of JFK.

02:01:08.000 The implication is... Yeah, I understand.

02:01:11.000 I would like to say I would like to think I would get on television immediately on live television let the people and say I am I guess I would say that I'm resigning right now but I want you to know what's going on in your country.

02:01:25.000 I appreciate that. Gnarly Marley says the Grapes of Wrath, Tom Sawyer, and To Kill a Mockingbird

02:01:29.000 were banned by leftists, not the right. No, that's not true.

02:01:33.000 I know Tom Sawyer was banned by leftists. Oh, the Tom Sawyer issue is different and it

02:01:38.000 should not have been banned. But Grapes of Wrath and To Kill a Mockingbird, not. I think the issue is

02:01:45.000 there's a difference between not in the curriculum and banning the book outright.

02:01:49.000 And a lot of what the argument is is around curriculum.

02:01:53.000 How can you say that the Grapes of Wrath should not be in a curriculum?

02:01:56.000 I'm not saying that.

02:01:57.000 It's one of the great works of American literature, of world literature.

02:02:00.000 Maybe age appropriate or something. 0.71

02:02:03.000 So the issue is... The idea that Grapes of Wrath, anybody saying Grapes of Wrath should not be read by anyone for any reason is chilling to me.

02:02:12.000 I don't disagree.

02:02:13.000 I'm just pointing out that a lot of what conservatives are saying is, don't put this in curriculum, leave it in the library.

02:02:19.000 Why?

02:02:19.000 Why if a school- I'm not talking about Grapes of Wrath.

02:02:21.000 You were asking- I'm not talking about Grapes of Wrath.

02:02:23.000 I'm saying a lot of the books that even, like, we have say shouldn't be in the schools, a lot of conservatives are like, no, no, no, no, just it shouldn't be required reading.

02:02:31.000 So when I'm talking about Grapes of Wrath, or particularly Mockingbird, I'm saying that a lot of the books that have been brought up by the right that they say should be removed, they're not arguing for an outright ban.

02:02:40.000 But, like, name a book.

02:02:42.000 It's one thing to talk about whether kids, you know, stuff about sex in the seventh grade.

02:02:46.000 But that's what it is.

02:02:48.000 Okay, well that's very different.

02:02:49.000 Some of it is like, if this one should be age-appropriate, then it should not be available to children in the library.

02:02:54.000 It can be presented in sex ed with parental permission or whatever.

02:02:58.000 So it's not about a ban, it's about how they present it.

02:03:01.000 But these, I was reading about this woman who comes up with this list about what books should be banned, and she's She admits that she hardly ever read a book in her life and anything that has any implication of sexual feelings to her is pornographic.

02:03:14.000 This is about this woman.

02:03:17.000 I think telling a literature teacher what they can teach is awful.

02:03:21.000 Let's, uh, Missy Kin says, how hard will Marianne fight back when the DNC doesn't allow her on the ballot? 1.00

02:03:26.000 Bernie didn't fight back at all.

02:03:28.000 Okay, well, right now we're, we've got, I've been posting about it.

02:03:32.000 We've got Florida, we've got Tennessee, we've got Massachusetts, we've got North Carolina.

02:03:36.000 The issue is how do you fight back?

02:03:38.000 Are you going to fight back with a lawsuit?

02:03:40.000 Well, you talk to a lawyer and you say, well, what would What would be the cost of going after this on the issue, let's say, of Florida, where the Democratic Party of Florida basically said, to the state of Florida, to the Secretary of State, Joe Biden is the only person that we're going to have on the ballot, which is so wrong.

02:04:03.000 I'm an FEC-filed, registered candidate.

02:04:07.000 I've been out there.

02:04:08.000 I've been campaigning.

02:04:09.000 I've been covered by the news.

02:04:12.000 But that right there is an estimated $75,000 just for that one case in Florida.

02:04:19.000 So as a candidate, you say, where do I spend campaign funds?

02:04:24.000 It costs tens of thousands of dollars, ultimately hundreds of thousands of dollars

02:04:27.000 just to get on these ballots, plus $10,000 for the voter files in every state.

02:04:34.000 So are you going to spend $75,000 fighting Florida?

02:04:37.000 And then you begin to see what has happened, which is, oh, this is not just Florida.

02:04:41.000 They're doing it in Tennessee.

02:04:43.000 They're doing it in North Carolina.

02:04:44.000 This week they were doing it in Massachusetts.

02:04:46.000 So I'm sort of holding powder dry because the bigger problem is that it's a pattern.

02:04:51.000 I think the main point here that matters has to do with the function of political parties.

02:04:56.000 George Washington warned us about them in his farewell address, and he said that they could form factions of men who were more loyal to their party than to their country.

02:05:07.000 And John Adams said that they were a threat to democracy.

02:05:10.000 So the point here is that traditionally the political party stood in the background, let the voters decide who the nominee would be, and then the party came in.

02:05:19.000 So, to me, candidate suppression is a form of voter suppression.

02:05:22.000 So how much will I fight?

02:05:26.000 Certainly as much as I can.

02:05:29.000 Spending $75,000 just to go after a case in Florida, when you also have the cost of everything else, and the fact that everything is so expensive is one of the ways the system is rigged, that to me is a bigger issue.

02:05:41.000 So, Elegan News, I'm going to rephrase your statement, because it's kind of a question, but I'm going to rephrase it so it's easier to just read out.

02:05:51.000 In reference to Enrique Tarrio and the sentencing, would you agree with black people being sentenced to long prison sentences if the jury determines that's what should happen? 0.72

02:06:02.000 I believe in the jury system.

02:06:04.000 I don't think that it's always perfect, but I believe that we... Listen, like I said, I don't agree with the Supreme Court decision in 2000, but that doesn't mean I was going to burn down the Supreme Court building.

02:06:17.000 So juries come up with their decisions.

02:06:19.000 Some of them are fair, some of them are obviously unfair, but it's the best that we have.

02:06:25.000 Do you think that Do you think like a jury of white people from a wealthy suburb are going to be fair to a impartial to like a black man accused of selling drugs?

02:06:35.000 Well, I think that's why they have this.

02:06:37.000 That's why this question.

02:06:38.000 That's why often it is, you know, there is a movement for a case to be tried elsewhere for that reason.

02:06:44.000 I mean, that's part of the system that one can argue that one that's person could not get a fair trial in this area.

02:06:49.000 I mean, that happens all the time.

02:06:51.000 If a judge were to say a fair trial would not be possible.

02:06:55.000 So we're going to do it here anyway.

02:06:57.000 Would you find that acceptable in terms of how our system is supposed to work?

02:07:01.000 No, but I've never heard a judge say that.

02:07:04.000 A judge... I've never heard a judge say... And by the way, I'm having a little difficulty here because I think now it's a little too loud and I don't know if I'm talking weird because I'm... No, you're fine.

02:07:16.000 I've never heard a judge say, I admit you couldn't get a fair trial here, but we're going ahead with the trial anyway.

02:07:22.000 And I don't agree with every judge, but that's just something... And what do you think would be a... Like, let's say that hypothetically happened, and there was someone who was being charged with a crime, and the judge said... They petitioned for a change of venue, and the judge says, there's nowhere you can go that will free you from the bias of this place, so we're doing it here anyway.

02:07:40.000 I don't think that would be right, and somebody would be petitioning somebody.

02:07:44.000 I mean, even in those cases there is such a thing as judicial prejudice.

02:07:48.000 Somebody would be arguing that there was judicial prejudice and the case would not stop there.

02:07:54.000 What if the case did stop there?

02:07:55.000 If the case did stop there, I'd be the first to say this is wrong.

02:07:58.000 So will you stand up in defense of Derek Chauvin?

02:08:04.000 Wow.

02:08:05.000 Derek Chauvin petitioned for a change of venue, and the judge said there is no venue you can go to where you'll be free of any bias, so we do it here anyway.

02:08:16.000 Wasn't there some legitimacy to that, given the fact that everybody saw the video?

02:08:20.000 Everybody saw the video, so how could there be lack of prejudice anywhere?

02:08:25.000 Right.

02:08:25.000 So the question is about the Constitution and what is fair in the court of law, and not what we want to have happened because of our feelings.

02:08:33.000 So if the issue is a judge says there will be no fair trial for you, my argument is then there's no trial at all.

02:08:39.000 And the man should be released because that's a limitation of our democratic system.

02:08:42.000 That's what your argument would be?

02:08:44.000 Absolutely.

02:08:44.000 Okay, so you and I totally disagree on that one.

02:08:46.000 If a court cannot grant a fair trial under the Constitution, then the court cannot imprison a person.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, well you and I don't agree on that one.

02:08:54.000 So you think that the state should be allowed to imprison people even without due process?

02:09:00.000 I think that that was an overriding circumstance of the fact that the judge was correct.

02:09:07.000 There were very few people in the United States who had not seen the video.

02:09:11.000 That's all the judge was saying.

02:09:12.000 The judge was saying, we're going to do our best.

02:09:15.000 We're going to do our best in the way we interrogate people to make sure that they will be as non-prejudiced as possible.

02:09:22.000 But the judge was admitting there's no location where it's going to be any different.

02:09:26.000 Do you think it was fair that the other officers involved who were not, other officers who were there but not involved in the handling of George Floyd, do you think it's fair they went to prison?

02:09:35.000 I think that there's a lot of accountability in a person who stands there knowing, if you know that somebody is murdering someone and what he was doing, it was reasonable to assume that he would die.

02:09:50.000 Absolutely, I think trying those officers makes sense.

02:09:54.000 What if it was for one of the officers who was holding back the crowd?

02:09:58.000 I wouldn't say holding back, but standing in front of with his arms out, because I don't think he made physical contact pushing them or anything.

02:10:04.000 He's going to prison.

02:10:05.000 And his defense was he wasn't actually looking.

02:10:08.000 He didn't know what was going on.

02:10:10.000 And as far as he knew, what Chauvin was doing was in line with the training.

02:10:13.000 So if I was a jury, I'd be listening very, very carefully.

02:10:16.000 Did he see what was going on or not?

02:10:19.000 I mean, that's what a trial is for, a trial to prove You know, if I saw, if it was clear to me as a jury member, no, he saw and he chose to do nothing.

02:10:30.000 But if somebody else was holding back the crowd and said that he didn't even see, I would listen very carefully.

02:10:37.000 And I would listen to testimony and I would see video and it would make obviously a huge difference whether he knew or not.

02:10:43.000 We're going to go to the Members Only Uncensored show.

02:10:44.000 I really appreciate it.

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02:11:23.000 No.

02:11:23.000 Do you want to shout anything out your website?

02:11:26.000 Oh, yeah, that my website is Marianne2024.com and I would welcome people going there.

02:11:32.000 We didn't really talk about political issues as they pertain to my campaign tonight.

02:11:36.000 But if people want to see my issues and please go to my social media and go to Marianne2024.com.

02:11:43.000 Absolutely.

02:11:44.000 And I appreciate it.

02:11:45.000 Right on.

02:11:45.000 Thanks for coming.

02:11:46.000 I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.

02:11:49.000 I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.

02:11:50.000 The band is All That Remains.

02:11:51.000 You can find us on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, you know, the Internet.

02:11:57.000 I'm Ian Cross, and follow me at IanCrossin on the Internet.

02:12:00.000 And Marianne, you are at MarWilliamson on Twitter.

02:12:04.000 Great to see you.

02:12:05.000 Wonderful night.

02:12:05.000 Thank you.

02:12:06.000 You too.

02:12:06.000 We just got started.

02:12:07.000 That was hot.

02:12:08.000 Serge, talk me out.

02:12:09.000 Yeah, I'm excited for the after show.

02:12:11.000 Pleasure to have you here, Marianne.

02:12:13.000 Thank you so much for coming.

02:12:13.000 Thank you.

02:12:13.000 Appreciate it.

02:12:14.000 So it's good to have people with different viewpoints than the average on the show as far as our audience is concerned.

02:12:20.000 Anyways, guys, I'm Serge.com.

02:12:22.000 Yeah, let's go to the after show.

02:12:22.000 We'll see you all over at TimCast.com.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - December 22, 2023

Timcast IRL - Democrats FURIOUS Over Migrant Crisis, Airlines Fly Them WITH ID w-Marianne Williamson

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