Marianne Williamson joins the show to talk about her campaign for the Democratic nomination and why she thinks she can beat Hillary Clinton in 2020. She also talks about how she plans to run, why she s running, and why the media isn t happy with her.
00:00:15.000Clair breaking a big story that there are illegal immigrants who are flying on airlines without IDs at all and being given premium economy.
00:00:22.000There have been many journalists, many commentators who have bumped into this.
00:00:27.000Interestingly, because of Turning Point USA's AmFest, many of these individuals were flying out of the Phoenix airport, and they could see that these airlines are transporting illegal immigrants from border states all over the country.
00:00:38.000They have packets, they have information.
00:00:40.000Many of them didn't speak English, and many of them don't even know where they're going.
00:00:44.000The concern now we're hearing is coming from pilots of these airlines who don't know who they're flying.
00:00:53.000And so, of course, naturally, people are quite upset.
00:00:55.000But it's even affecting big cities like Chicago, where we're actually seeing Democrat voters standing up, and they are challenging the mayor.
00:01:04.000We even have an alderman in Chicago, a Democrat, saying that these policies are causing them great problems.
00:01:09.000So we do want to talk about all of that.
00:01:11.000But more importantly, I think it's a good opportunity to talk about a lot of issues because we have an awesome guest.
00:01:15.000Marianne Williamson will be joining us and we'll talk about her policies, her plans, the polling, and I think it'll be fairly interesting considering she's actually polling quite well among Democrats, but for some reason, I think everybody gets it, the media and the Democratic establishment are not too happy.
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00:05:54.000We're gonna start with this story from Ashley St.
00:05:55.000Clair because, I'll be completely honest, I think we have a great opportunity to talk about much, much larger issues as we're ending out the year.
00:06:04.000Tomorrow we'll have James O'Keefe and it will be our last show of the year so we're really excited.
00:06:07.000But this is still a very interesting story coming from Ashley St.
00:06:10.000Clair which can kick off an immigration discussion.
00:06:12.000Ashley Sinclair tweets, I am in possession of legitimate major airline boarding passes for migrants that quite literally have the name printed as no name given.
00:06:21.000Incredibly difficult to post these without putting the insiders at risk working on it.
00:06:26.000This will continue to unfold over the coming weeks, but I confirm these are legitimate boarding passes.
00:06:30.000I am at a loss for words for what I am verifying.
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00:06:51.000But the big news that we've been seeing over the past couple of days is record-breaking illegal immigration flowing into Eagle Pass.
00:07:19.000Well, we have this one from the Daily Mail.
00:07:20.000Furious Chicago resident rips into Mayor Brandon Johnson for throwing open the door to thousands of migrants and letting down black communities.
00:07:28.000I think this is obviously a major issue.
00:07:31.000And some of the latest polls on Donald Trump show that he is rising significantly, especially among young people.
00:07:38.000And it's because the economy and immigration are huge issues for people.
00:07:43.000But let's just we just kick off the conversation with you, Marianne.
00:07:45.000And I'm curious what your thoughts are on all of this.
00:07:48.000I think that in this, as in so many areas, we have to treat root causes.
00:07:52.000We have to ask, we have to ask, why are people working, going through sometimes the most hideous journeys, like through the Darien Gap.
00:08:01.000The Darien Gap in Mexico is one of the most inhospitable areas in the world.
00:08:06.000So what would make someone walk across the Darien Gap with two small children?
00:08:16.000One has to do with economic destabilization in these countries, which has caused all this economic desperation.
00:08:24.000And the other is the horrible violence that is perpetrated by the drug cartels.
00:08:28.000Now, I think that we need to look in the mirror, because if we look at all of this economic despair, a lot of it was contributed to mightily by U.S.
00:08:37.000foreign policy over the last few decades.
00:08:39.000One of the things that we have to do, for instance, we need to end the sanctions on Cuba.
00:08:43.000We have to end the sanctions on Venezuela.
00:08:46.000I think a lot of people have no idea what violence this does to the lives of ordinary people.
00:08:53.000We say to ourselves, well, we're going to have a sanction on this country, and it's a sanction against the bad guys who are the leaders.
00:08:59.000And then the story went that the ordinary citizen in that country would realize that this is what was causing it, and they'd rise up against the leader.
00:09:24.000So how ironic that in countries like Cuba and Venezuela, Our sanctions are leading to a lot of the despair that is then making people come here.
00:09:34.000We give something like 200 million in general in humanitarian aid to Latin American countries.
00:09:41.000I think if we really look honestly at what we have done to many of these countries over the last few decades, we would see a lot more.
00:09:48.000of a reason and a justification for us seeking to stabilize, helping stabilize
00:09:53.000some of these economies. I also think that we should end America's war on drugs because our
00:09:58.000war on drugs actually contributes, it helps the drug cartels because it creates all that black
00:10:03.000market. So I think that we can talk all day long.
00:10:06.000I was in Eagle Pass several weeks ago.
00:10:11.000I saw the buoys that a federal judge has now told Greg Abbott that he cannot use.
00:10:16.000I saw where 1,500 people drowned in the Rio Grande River.
00:10:22.000And I heard officials down in Eagle Pass say to me, we feel oppressed by the state government, and we feel neglected by the federal government.
00:10:32.000Because those people who are down there know how to handle this, they know how to do the processing, they know what is needed, and they're not listened to.
00:10:50.000But we also do have this story from the Post-Millennial.
00:10:52.000Federal judge forbids Biden administration from removing Texas's border barriers.
00:10:57.000So, I think the buoys over the water, I think, had to come out because of international waterways restrictions.
00:11:04.000But we started to see with the razor wire.
00:11:07.000Federal agents were lifting it up and allowing people to enter and now I believe that's being barred and Texas has just passed a state law banning illegal entry into the state.
00:11:17.000But the state, Greg Abbott, is overriding federal jurisdiction.
00:11:23.000He does not have, once again, this is why they're saying, oppressed by the state government and neglected by the U.S.
00:11:30.000Greg Abbott is taking on authority that governors do not have.
00:11:35.000These are laws that are to be passed by Congress, not by state governors.
00:11:39.000Well, what happens when you have 10,000 people per day entering your state, in your city?
00:11:44.000Once again, there's nothing you can do on the level of symptom that's going to fundamentally fix this.
00:11:49.000This is why we must address the underlying causes.
00:11:52.000We can talk about whether or not people are detained, we can talk about whether or not people are deported, but until we actually address the root cause of the problem, this is going to remain with us.
00:12:02.000I agree, but we can't ignore 10,000 people per day.
00:12:05.000I mean, if we use an analogy, if you say symptom, I'd imagine someone gets shot, we do need to stop shooting, but you still have to tend to the wound.
00:12:13.000And also, the people that are coming over, they're not really...
00:12:29.000But doesn't that not cover the problem if most of the people are coming from other places like Africa and Asia?
00:12:39.000I think we also though need to look at the overall picture of immigration in this country because that we can have an argument at numbers and it's a legitimate argument but I think we also need to stand back and look at the overall picture which is statistically an immigrant to this country from anywhere if they are given for one year the help that is necessary to integrate etc.
00:13:01.000Within a year, they are self-sufficient.
00:13:04.000And if you look at the big picture of immigration in the United States, the immigrant population is a contributor to the U.S.
00:13:13.000You know, 150 years ago, it was don't let in the Jews, don't let in the Polish, don't let in the Irish.
00:13:19.000And there's a lot of that same kind of racism that is going on today.
00:13:23.000So we have to ask ourselves, it's one thing to have a conversation about the numbers and the overwhelm, but it has, to me, now leaned over into a mean-spirited attitude towards immigrants, which is not in keeping with the better angels of our nature.
00:13:41.000Where did your great-grandparents come from?
00:13:43.000I mean, all four of my grandparents came here seeking to escape oppression.
00:13:58.000They were not enslaved by the United States.
00:14:00.000But my family was persecuted during World War II with Japanese internment because they didn't care for the difference between different types of Asian people.
00:14:10.000So my family was forced to flee and hide and my mom's side of the family, which was mixed race, had to pretend like they weren't actually related because it was illegal at the time because of miscegenation laws.
00:14:23.000And so the stories I grew up hearing was my family fled 12 different states once people found out that it was a mixed race family, you know, pre-1967, and would be spit on by people for being what they would call Japs, despite the fact that I am part Japanese, but mostly Korean.
00:14:53.000So isn't there a moral responsibility that those of us who are descended from people, like your parents, like my grandparents, Who found that?
00:15:00.000We don't have a moral responsibility to make sure that others experience that blessing as well?
00:15:05.000No, because there's a whole lot of people in the world like that.
00:15:08.000If we have a moral responsibility to some, wouldn't that mean we have a moral responsibility to the world?
00:15:14.000And then that's a moral responsibility to everybody on earth?
00:15:30.000We right now what you know with with I think your view on we must treat the symptoms.
00:15:36.000There's a lot of symptoms and I can respect absolutely.
00:15:39.000I question when we give money to the South American and Central American countries, and their oligarchs and their autocrats steal the money, and it doesn't help the people at all, and exacerbates violence, the drug, or all that stuff.
00:15:53.000The American citizens of Eagle Pass are suffering.
00:15:55.000And I don't believe it would be appropriate to just say, we will provide no reprieve for you in the immediate because we're dealing with larger issues internationally.
00:17:25.000Massachusetts is a sanctuary, is a de facto sanctuary state, according to WGBH.org.
00:17:31.000So the argument, I suppose, from the likes of Texas is, if the federal government is going to remove border barriers, allow these people to enter under their federal jurisdiction, why not send these people to states that welcome them?
00:18:07.000The situation should be handled at the border, obviously.
00:18:11.000But what I heard and saw at Eagle Pass was that there are ways to handle it at the border.
00:18:17.000It's Congress that has, there's been a dereliction of duty for years because everybody says on the left and the right, we want them to be able to legally immigrate.
00:18:26.000I think people want to legally immigrate.
00:18:29.000But the Congress has laws or there are plenty of laws that can moderate the people coming over the border, at least people that are coming over legally, if they would enforce it.
00:18:41.000But the Department of Homeland Security is not enforcing the laws at the border, if I understand correctly.
00:18:46.000Mayorkas was just on the hill recently, and if I understand correctly, provided exceedingly unsatisfactory testimony about what they're doing.
00:18:55.000He was swearing up and down that he was doing what he's supposed to do, but the evidence is that we continue to have record numbers of people crossing the border, and we have had... I mean, this year is the highest record, you know, on... This month, particularly.
00:19:13.000Millions and millions of people are coming over the border.
00:19:16.000So what do you do when the government, when the executive won't enforce the laws, won't tell the guy that runs the border security to enforce the laws, and then when the guy's brought in front of Congress, he's just like, nah man, we're totally doing it, and everyone's like, well...
00:19:44.000I think if we zoom out and take like a macro look.
00:19:47.000Regardless of what an individual community like Chicago or Eagle Pass might be saying, you have Abbott in Texas, at a state level, takes the view that this is a serious problem that is not being resolved by the federal government.
00:20:00.000And the federal government's view is that, for whatever reason, it should be encouraged and facilitated.
00:20:05.000Encouraged in the sense that they were using heavy machinery to lift up Texas's border barriers, were filing lawsuits to remove the barriers and bring these people in, and then Fund the transport of these people on planes and buses into other places.
00:20:19.000So, something is happening in Texas, where locally, the governor says, it is politically expedient for me to end all of this illegal immigration.
00:20:28.000And then something is happening federally, where the administration says, we will not do anything to stop it.
00:20:33.000And this creates a conflict, where the state is putting up razor wire, suing the federal government to stop them from impeding on their borders, and then sending these people out on their own buses to Chicago, to New York.
00:20:43.000And then you have the federal government trying to actually bring more people in.
00:20:46.000I mean, I see that as an untenable situation.
00:20:48.000I saw the buoys and I saw the memorial that was erected to the people who had drowned.
00:20:55.000It is absolutely morally unacceptable.
00:20:57.000Those buoys, people drown because of those buoys.
00:20:59.000Well, I mean, if the people choose to enter a river and come here with those risks... Once again, for me, that goes back to the trauma in someone's life that would make them take a journey like that, on foot, over a desert, through the Darien Gap.
00:21:17.000And for the United States, in what ways have we contributed to that despair?
00:22:19.000Something bad is going to happen, and then all of a sudden it explodes, and now we don't really have a... We remember what was causing it, but now we need to treat the explosive Result and the result is 300,000 people came if it takes one person one year to adapt.
00:22:36.000We have 300,000 new ones this month That's like almost untenably unadaptable.
00:22:43.000I don't know how how we can ease these people in at that rate Well, yeah, I mean look in Chicago.
00:22:49.000I I find I find this unacceptable in Chicago.
00:22:52.000They are building a I hate to use the term, because I don't know what other term there is, but concentration camps.
00:22:59.000I want to draw a distinction between, obviously, World War II, but they are building camps, and they are forcing these people into them, and it's causing a major crisis.
00:23:12.000Parents are screaming that they started putting these people in the gyms of middle schools.
00:23:17.000The last thing I think anyone will tolerate is hearing that the federal government is loading people up on buses and trains and sending them to camps.
00:23:24.000But it wasn't the federal government that did that.
00:23:45.000So there was numerous reports, notably one out of Tennessee where Republicans actually filmed the transport of migrants, underage illegal immigrants coming from the border, were lowed on the planes and flown into Tennessee.
00:23:58.000This particularly enraged, I think it was a senator from Tennessee who then came out and said, why in the middle of the night are planes being chartered by the federal government to send these people into our state?
00:24:07.000There was actually whistleblower footage from Westchester, New York, where a, I believe it was a police officer, said if the American people knew what the government was doing, paying for the trafficking of these minors from out of the country into New York... Wait, paying for the trafficking?
00:24:21.000You just said paying for the trafficking.
00:24:26.000it doesn't just apply to transportation. Well, if you take a minor who's not from this country
00:24:33.000and facilitate their transport from out of the country into a part of the country, that's human
00:24:36.000trafficking. So the coyotes, for instance, are human traffickers.
00:24:40.000So when you have someone in, let's say, either it's Southeast Africa, one of the big
00:24:46.000reports is a large amount of people are paying for travel to Brazil and then traveling from Brazil
00:24:51.000up to Central America and through here, They're paying human traffickers to do that.
00:24:56.000So the traffickers facilitate a plan, a path, and then the Biden administration Working with the traffickers facilitates the transport of minors deeper into the United States from the border.
00:25:06.000It might actually be considered human smuggling.
00:25:09.000Trafficking is specifically for commercial exploitation, sexual slavery, or forced labor.
00:25:28.000By definition, they're smuggling people in.
00:25:30.000And it can happen in our country, like internationally or intranationally.
00:25:38.000There's one thing that I want to talk about when it comes to immigration.
00:25:42.000One of the things that people neglect to address is when you have people like that are leaving... I mean, yeah, look, I'm sorry.
00:25:51.000This was a huge story a couple years ago, and this is NBC New York.
00:25:55.0002,000 migrant children, undocumented, flown into Westchester with bipartisan politicians demanding answers from the Biden administration who won't tell them what's going on.
00:26:05.000And the smuggling is distinct because it's characterized by the consent of the person being smuggled.
00:26:10.000Smuggling is probably a better word to define it.
00:26:14.000And the question then becomes, why is it that if Democrats and Republicans in the area are demanding to know why the federal government is doing this, we don't have answers as to what's going on?
00:26:24.000You know, in the big picture I can say this.
00:26:27.000Certainly the people who are watching this show are furious about what's happening in Texas and Florida and the southern border states because they're bearing the brunt of this.
00:26:36.000So Greg Abbott, Ron DeSantis, other governors say, why don't we send these people to sanctuary states that have passed laws to protect them because they seem capable and willing to help them.
00:26:46.000But now we see Illinois, New York, and Pennsylvania furious that it's happening, and arguing that it's in fact the fault of Greg Abbott that they're facing this crisis, when, I mean, as you argued, it's the federal government who has the authority to do it, and Greg Abbott actually has no authority to stop the waves of migrants that are coming in.
00:27:03.000Well, I would be very interested in reading that, but also when you talk about the people who are so upset about it in Texas.
00:27:09.000I think a lot of the issue of who's upset about it in Texas has to do with particular political orientation.
00:27:17.000Yes it does, because there are, listen, I'm not arguing about whether or not too many people are coming in, but I do think a lot of the hysteria, even before, even a year ago, before it was as many numbers as it is, there was a lot of anti-immigrant fervor that was based not on a realistic appraisal of what occurred, what was occurring, but rather on racism and anti-immigrant perspective.
00:27:43.000You know, Ronald Reagan gave six million immigrants amnesty.
00:27:47.000When I was growing up, if you wanted to come into this country, if you wanted to be a citizen, all you had to do was walk down to the to the registry office.
00:27:55.000Do you think that the United States is a more racist country now than we were, say, 20 years ago or 50 years ago?
00:28:39.000But when I was growing up, there was a greater sense we weren't supposed to be those things.
00:28:45.000And you had a sense that neither major political party would give the megaphone, a major megaphone, to anyone who spoke from those kinds of places.
00:28:55.000Today, largely because of social media, People have felt now free to give voice to sentiments that when I was growing up, at least there was a healthy sense of shame in the country, and we knew, you know, we should try not to do that.
00:29:14.000There's no shame, and there is such a thing as healthy shame, and that's what disturbs me, that people feel so permitted to express views that are so morally repugnant to a conscious person.
00:29:27.000Do you think that it's better if people don't express morally repugnant views?
00:29:31.000Because it's my assumption, or maybe it's my guess, that it's better to hear people express bad views so you can challenge them, or at least so you know who they are and what they're thinking, as opposed to people that don't Express their bad views and essentially are hiding, you know bigoted or whatever thoughts I think it's better if we know what people are saying and where they're coming from and So that way we can push back on the ideas or so that way you can avoid those people Like I'd rather know someone didn't like me
00:30:10.000Well, I think social media has changed all that.
00:30:13.000I think before social media, there would be a degree on which I would agree with that.
00:30:17.000Social media, when people are saying these things for the clicks, it's like I remember hearing Sacha Baron Cohen say, if Hitler were alive today, he'd be taking out 30-second ads on Facebook.
00:30:29.000Some truly, truly hateful things are being said in a way that I do not believe makes for a healthier society.
00:30:37.000So this is this was one of the big stories, October 2021, Biden secretly flying underage migrants into New York in dead of night.
00:30:44.000They had Westchester County police standing by as passengers were arriving.
00:30:58.000I mean, I will follow up on a lot of this, but I don't look at an article in the New York Post and go, oh, that's totally what's happening.
00:31:23.000I think this is one of the reasons why Joe Biden's failing in the polls.
00:31:26.000I think more and more people are waking up to realize that, you know, although it was initially reported by the New York Post and many people, I mean, your opinion seems to be lower of them, NBC News had the story two days later confirming basically the same thing, and it's only gotten worse.
00:31:40.000And when I first hear that Joe Biden, or I should say his administration, because I don't know to what level he actually knows, is actually engaged in the practice of, what word do you want to use, smuggling?
00:31:52.000Non-citizen, and I'll be very, very careful, I'm very, very light on my language.
00:31:56.000Children who are not from this country and do not have status are being flown in By the Biden administration, in the dead of night to various states without the consent of the people who live there or the local government, sparking bipartisan outrage, this sounds criminal.
00:32:10.000I think the reason, this is actually exactly what I was talking about, that people want to love and want to be there for all the other people but there's this concept called toxic compassion that I've been thinking about for the last couple years where it's like you want to help everybody and then you end up helping no one.
00:32:26.000And people are so obsessed with helping every person that comes by that it ends up like a white-tailed deer overpopulation.
00:32:34.000So I'm very I just don't think we can help everyone.
00:32:39.000and I don't even think we can help most people. We have limited time so I would like to move on
00:32:43.000to some other subjects and then definitely get into the area of the media you're polling.
00:32:47.000One thing I did want to ask you about was your position on one of the big culture war issues
00:32:53.000in this country is in Florida they announced that they would be barring certain books from
00:32:59.000curriculum that contained adult materials.
00:33:03.000This resulted in big headlines like this about, well, this is another one, Orlando newspaper publishes spread of 673 books banned in Florida County in 2023.
00:33:13.000I was curious if you knew a lot about what was going on nationwide with the removal of certain books from school curriculum and what your thoughts were.
00:33:22.000I think book banning is basically fascist behavior.
00:33:26.000Some of the books that are being banned, there'll be a suggestion of homosexual feelings, so they call it pornographic and something children shouldn't read.
00:33:40.000I trust teachers and librarians, and I don't like the idea of the U.S.
00:33:45.000government or state government telling librarians or teachers what they can teach.
00:33:50.000You don't think we should have laws on anything?
00:34:02.000What if there was a book being given to middle schoolers that depicted giving blowjobs?
00:34:07.000I would yeah well okay once again if yeah I wouldn't want my child to read that and I definitely would be wanting to work this is the book okay that's that's school board that's not government not the US government or or I don't want the US government and I don't want the state governor telling me the books cannot be Is it?
00:34:28.000taught. If I were a parent and my, I am a parent, if I if my child in the eighth
00:34:32.000grade, I would definitely be going to the school. I would definitely be working
00:34:36.000with the school board and I and I definitely would have a problem with
00:34:44.000I don't want this. I don't want a governor telling colleges what classes
00:34:50.000This isn't colleges, this is grade school.
00:34:54.000No, I don't think the governor should be telling schools what they can teach in the 8th grade.
00:34:59.000I would have a problem with that, but that's school board.
00:35:01.000And then you elect people to your school board.
00:35:04.000If you had a child between the ages of 10 and 12, and the teacher was providing them instruction on how to use anonymous gay sex apps, Would you call the police on that teacher?
00:35:16.000I would definitely go to the principal right away.
00:35:19.000Police, I have a problem with bringing the police into that.
00:35:21.000Going to the principal, you better believe I would.
00:35:23.000And I would show up at the school board as well.
00:35:25.000So the reason why I bring up these, these are very specific examples.
00:35:51.000That is outright egregious and illegal.
00:35:55.000I don't even want to say conservatives, but it seems to be the case when, let's say someone like me, I'm from Chicago and I grew up with a Democrat family.
00:36:02.000When I find out that adults are providing children this kind of stuff, I say, that's a bad thing.
00:36:17.000Emma Vigeland came on and actually defended that these books be kept in middle schools.
00:36:23.000No, I would not agree with Emma Vigeland.
00:36:25.000Yeah, I think she hadn't read the books either when she made that statement.
00:36:29.000So this is the culture war issue, and the reason why I bring it up is I often find that people who would align themselves as more Democrat or left-leaning are not familiar with the books in question that are being challenged by parents.
00:36:42.000And so, you end up with these stories that are not correct.
00:36:45.000They'll say something like, you know, oh, to kill a mockingbird, and it's like, I'm not concerned at all about ideas and philosophy.
00:36:54.000You know, I think critical race theory, as a philosophy, it can be taught in schools, but as praxis, I don't think that's appropriate.
00:37:02.000So, the criticism became, with Florida, it's not that they had books on critical race theory, it's that they had critical race praxis in books.
00:37:10.000But what are you calling critical race praxis?
00:37:24.000One of the, a lot of the books that they were bringing into Florida would say something like, you know, we have the classic math problem where it says a train leaves Cincinnati traveling 50 miles an hour and a train departs Pittsburgh traveling or whatever and, you know, at what point do they pass?
00:37:37.000But now what the books are doing, it'll say, Evan is white and has been detained by police two times in the past year.
00:37:44.000Jamal is black and has been detained 17 times.
00:37:47.000What percentage of the times have police been racist?
00:37:50.000And these are the kinds of questions that are being put in books.
00:37:52.000So this is called praxis, where the idea of the ideology is embedded in a separate subject.
00:38:00.000Parents were upset saying, hey, this is ideological and not relevant to the subject of science or math.
00:38:05.000We don't want this as part of the curriculum.
00:38:08.000And so then what ended up happening is they say, OK, well, we're going to remove this from curriculum.
00:38:11.000But then, of course, the media reports it as Republicans banned books.
00:38:15.000Well, but see, even the way we're contextualizing the conversation, I don't think is very helpful.
00:38:20.000I don't think it's a left-right issue, for instance, if you are a parent and you don't want your child in the seventh grade reading a book about blowjobs.
00:38:28.000I mean, to me, that's not a left-right issue that the child is learning about that in school.
00:38:33.000But to me, as an American, not as a left-winger, but as an American, I do want my child to learn, for instance, about unequal application of criminal justice when it comes to race.
00:38:46.000If a black person is given a sentence in a courtroom in the United States, that black person is liable to have a 20% longer sentence.
00:38:58.000What I didn't like about what you said was that it was a specific projection onto the police.
00:39:06.000However, the idea though that the white person is stopped so much less than the black person, I don't have a problem with kids learning that in high school.
00:39:16.000But shouldn't topics like that be their own subject as opposed to mixed into other topics?
00:39:22.000Because what ends up happening is if you're teaching kids math and you're adding additional sub-context, then you end up with people that aren't learning the subject they're supposed to be learning.
00:39:35.000And that's part of why our schools have such a problem with making test scores.
00:39:42.000And we have kids that are graduating without, you know, that can't read at grade level.
00:39:46.000Some can't read functionally, can't read at all.
00:39:48.000And a lot of it is because of this means of teaching.
00:39:53.000For the type of teaching and the framework they use, there's a lot of reasons.
00:40:01.000Parents aren't making sure their kids are getting to school and stuff.
00:40:04.000Parents aren't taking care of their parental duties.
00:40:12.000But you are, you do see the more a whatever institution, whatever you're dealing with, whether it be an institution or whether it be corporations with their HR departments focusing on like DEI and stuff like that.
00:40:25.000When you have the when you have those type of departments and that kind of focus you are taking away some of the at least a portion of the resources that are supposed to go to actually teaching and you're putting them to things that don't teach them or hinder them teaching because if that were its own class in like whether it be social studies or whatever in civics or whatever if the type of of you know awareness or social justice it was its own
00:40:49.000class that's one thing but if you're mixing it in with other things then you're
00:40:52.000gonna have it have a watered down problem with this. Sorry for entertaining. You're
00:40:56.000making some some some points that are understandable however the what those
00:41:00.000of us on the left are arguing that children should learn for instance our
00:41:05.000racial history in this country. Well no one's arguing against that. Yes many
00:41:11.000I'm sorry, many people are arguing against that, and there's this hysteria about critical race theory, and they think just teaching people about the history of slavery in the United States should not be taught.
00:41:21.000Do you know that there are schools, I remember I was in South Carolina, and there's a law that if any child goes To the teacher and says that made me uncomfortable that then the teacher cannot teach that book.
00:41:35.000Yeah, and that came from the left because of people that like from microaggressions and stuff like that.
00:41:40.000If you feel uncomfortable in a class, it was it was the left-leaning people that wanted.
00:41:45.000Yeah, they were the left-leaning people.
00:41:47.000The point is a child all that has to happen in that case is that the parents tell the child.
00:41:52.000Tell the teacher this makes you uncomfortable.
00:41:55.000Once a child gets into high school, you start reading books about things that, I mean, part of literature, part of art, part of movies, there are some things that are going to make you uncomfortable.
00:42:05.000Do you agree with critical race theory?
00:42:10.000Critical race theory was just something that had to... it's so misunderstood.
00:42:14.000It was something that had to do with a legal theory that people were talking about in, like, law school.
00:42:19.000But there are things that have to do with just... Are you not familiar with the ideology of critical race theory?
00:42:24.000It has to do with the idea that many things are seen through and filtered through the lens of race.
00:42:32.000But many things that parents have been lining up to complain about in school boards around the country, just for anything that had to do with race and calling it in this almost hysteria about critical race theory.
00:42:45.000I think there's a big difference between critical race theory and teaching children The truth about the history of the United States, which I believe, regardless of our politics, is a requirement for conscious citizenship.
00:42:59.000So outside of perhaps there are a lot of ignorant people who aren't, they're complaining for a variety of reasons.
00:43:08.000The political stances taken by many people, That we're fighting books on critical race theory was what's called critical race praxis, and that is to take the ideology from Kimberly Crenshaw and Derrick Bell and apply it into schools through science and math and other subjects unrelated to, say, social studies.
00:43:28.000So you'd end up with a lot of political commentators saying things like my position, for instance, Take the literal book, Critical Race Theory, and bring it to any school you want, and let children read it, and even give them a lesson on it.
00:43:40.000But Critical Race Praxis was when they did, like, a math problem.
00:43:46.000So the issue I take with Critical Race Theory is that it is an abhorrent, racist ideology that advocates for segregation.
00:43:55.000And the Critical Race Praxis was to take that ideology and apply it and teach children.
00:44:00.000We ended up with two, or I should say, we ended up with a wide range of extremist beliefs that we saw manifest throughout the country, such as, what would they call it, non-POC and POC groups.
00:44:13.000They began actually creating, in Seattle, I think it was Seattle, there was a library where when people were allowed to come, if you were white, you had to go in a white room only, and if you were not white, you went to the not white room.
00:44:24.000In Dearborn, Michigan, you had the digital cafes.
00:44:27.000This was during, I believe it was during COVID.
00:44:29.000And they said, everybody come hang out online and talk in a chat room.
00:44:32.000But if you're white, you go in the room only for white people.
00:44:34.000And if you're not white, you go in the room only for not white people.
00:44:37.000For instance, an example of this Derek Bell.
00:44:41.000Pioneer of critical race theory actually argued that Brown should not have dismantled Plessy versus Ferguson.
00:44:48.000A core component of critical race theory is that schools should remain segregated.
00:44:52.000So in, I believe it was Sacramento School District, they created white racial affinity groups based on critical race theory.
00:44:59.000I think that should be a lot in schools.
00:45:01.000And if teachers are teaching critical race praxis to children, I believe it's illegal under the 1964 Civil Rights Act and should be barred from schools.
00:45:09.000But what we end up with, once again, is you're banning books, conservatives are banning books, they're trying to stop teaching our history.
00:45:15.000But some of the books that they're banning, some of the books that they're banning, Grapes of Wrath.
00:45:37.000separate this. I mean some things are just kind of outrageous no matter what
00:45:40.000your politics are, but other things I think American children should learn
00:45:44.000our history and I think they should learn great great books of literature,
00:45:47.000great works of art. I think we all agree. Okay good, so I don't have to turn this
00:45:52.000into a war. But I think the issue is if say Ron DeSantis comes out and he put
00:45:57.000this on floridagov.com or I should say they did.
00:46:01.000Actually, I think, no, this is Ron DeSantis.
00:46:03.000The books they banned were Genderqueer, Flamer, This Book is Gay, and Let's Talk About It, books that contained pornographic and adult materials and instruction on those things.
00:46:15.000But so the issue then becomes, the media widely reports, he's just banning books in general.
00:46:21.000When you get, I mean, this is Ron DeSantis from his own mouth, saying, these are the books we banned and why we banned them, but then all of a sudden the corporate press just says, he's banning books in general, and the conversation shifts from, we don't want children getting access to adult content, to the perspective which you have is, oh, they're trying to ban books like Grapes of Wrath.
00:46:43.000I agreed with you that there are books that I would not, I don't, I'm not comfortable with the governor doing it, but there are books with over sexual or whatever at a certain young age that I just would be fine with the school board saying too young.
00:47:01.000This is like you were saying when you were younger, ideas of racism were just shameful, and that society wouldn't allow those things to get a mainstream megaphone.
00:49:43.000I'm trying to find a good high-resolution image of it, but this is from a book called Not My Idea, particularly a page in the book about contract binding you to whiteness.
00:49:53.000It says, you get stolen land, stolen riches, special favors.
00:49:56.000Whiteness gets to mess endlessly with the lives of your friends, neighbors, and loved ones, and all fellow humans of color for the purpose of profit.
00:50:30.000When they take the ideology from Derrick Bell or Kimberley Crenshaw and they put it in a children's book, and this is one of the books they want removed from schools.
00:50:37.000Whiteness is a bad deal, it always was.
00:50:45.000And this is this is the reason why like this is the stuff that that as much as conservatives are trying to get stuff out and there there is going to be or there are going to be attempts by more authoritarian conservatives to try and attach their their limits on people's rights and stuff like that that's gonna happen.
00:51:03.000But at the same time, stuff like this, your average person doesn't even know.
00:51:09.000And then when it's presented to them by the media, which you understand exactly how duplicitous and difficult it can be with today's modern media, when it gets presented to the average person by the media, they do everything they can to make this seem like this isn't the situation.
00:51:24.000They make it seem like it's all racist and all bigots and blah blah blah.
00:51:29.000But then you actually look into it, And the situation is, no, there's really objectionable stuff being put in schools that parents are objecting to, and then the FBI goes after the parents for protesting, you know?
00:51:43.000This is the government that we have right now.
00:52:54.000Where they say this about whiteness and I do want to talk about this and this is, I don't know, I figured I'd bring this story up to see what your thoughts are.
00:53:02.000There's a movie coming out called The American Society of Magical Negroes.
00:53:06.000It's got people very angry because in the trailer for the film they say, actually let me see if I can just play this and I'll get your thoughts on it.
00:53:16.000Let's see if we have, I might have to unmute the site.
00:54:10.000A meter showing white tears next to a police officer.
00:54:14.000So the premise of this film is that the most dangerous animal on the planet is white people, And a group of secret magical black people have to use magic powers to keep white people placated, otherwise the white people will turn on them and kill them.
00:54:30.000So this movie's got everybody pissed off.
00:54:32.000The Root wrote about it, and they're actually angry.
00:54:35.000Well, I shouldn't say they're angry, but there's a lot of criticism from more of the left-leaning people that it depicts an interracial relationship, which is surprising.
00:54:44.000And then the criticism from the right is that the premise of the film is that white people are the most dangerous animal on the planet.
00:54:50.000This is what people would refer to as critical race praxis in mainstream media and film, and this is a major movie.
00:54:56.000This is like, you know, Hollywood-level production.
00:54:58.000The question that comes up for me is what you were saying before.
00:55:01.000Is it better that stuff be out there and that people hear it?
00:55:05.000I personally I think it's better you know but at the same time like stuff like this like this is is is hidden from the public and and until it's burst into an ugly form like this and it- That book!
00:55:27.000I mean, it's all so toxic and so illiberal and there are people and the media misrepresents all of the objections to it as Coming from a place of bigotry, as coming from a place of evil and stuff.
00:55:48.000This is why, when it comes to a show like ours, we have every conservative in the world emailing us asking us to come on, and not a single liberal emails us asking us to come on.
00:56:00.000We actively have to fight to get liberals to come on the show.
00:56:19.000They've been turned into left-right issues.
00:56:21.000So the issue is when you have high-profile prominent liberal or leftist commentators who know exactly what we're talking about, they will not come on this show because they would have to put themselves in a position where they're in opposition to their tribe.
00:56:34.000Yeah, well I, you know, my own tribe is not very nice to me sometimes.
00:57:56.000I feel everybody needs to come out of their silos right now.
00:58:00.000I think these labels are not helping any of us.
00:58:03.000I don't even think they help us at this table.
00:58:05.000I think this table has been an example of the labeling is the one places where we've gotten off, and when we didn't have the labels, we were just talking as Americans.
00:58:24.000Depending on if they're black, brown, white, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight, non-binary, rich, poor.
00:58:31.000I'm speaking to a place in the American heart, the American conscience, American decency.
00:58:37.000And I think all of those labels are disserving us right now.
00:58:40.000On a superficial level, I'm a progressive, but I see stuff now that just makes me think Nobody has a monopoly on truth and nobody has a monopoly on this smugness and arrogance and my way is right and your way is wrong.
00:58:56.000It's almost mean-spiritedness that I see in everyone right now and I think we all need to get off our high horses.
00:59:04.000I think the issue is, you know, for us, for instance, it comes down to the simplification of terms and their general understanding.
00:59:12.000So we end up in this world where I am a, when I was younger, I was a punk rock anarchist skateboarder, uh, listening to, you know, anti-flag and bands like that against me.
01:00:51.000I agree with you on the corporate elite and those who struggle, but then there is the international versus nationalist view, where you appear to be more of the internationalist sentiment, and Trump supporters appear to be more of the nationalist sentiment.
01:01:02.000And what I mean by that is... Yeah, you're right.
01:01:16.000I mean, perhaps there's a better word for that.
01:01:19.000I think maybe chauvinism, which used to be like bias for males or something, but now is typically represent... Actually, no, I think chauvinism was originally you're boastful about your own country.
01:01:31.000But to clarify what I mean, Trump supporters...
01:01:57.000I don't think we should have economic hitmen going to South America.
01:01:59.000I think we should have legal immigration.
01:02:02.000Everybody in the world can come here, but you gotta come here through a process so we can make sure the economy is functioning and everyone's happy.
01:02:07.000I think we should have manufacturing brought back.
01:02:09.000I think that we should stop sending our jobs and our factories overseas through failed trade policies.
01:02:51.000I kind of decide I'm not really a nationalist.
01:02:53.000I mean, reading what it actually means, it's the ideology that says that the individual's loyalty and devotion to the nation state surpasses the individual's other groups or interests.
01:03:02.000So it's like your family, your local community should be the most important thing to you.
01:03:21.000And non-citizens who are in this country, like a tourist is a good example, have constitutional protection, same as any other person, whether they're a citizen or not.
01:03:28.000I suppose the challenge then becomes, I think it's fair to say that American classically and traditionally liberal worldviews don't align with, say, like fundamentalist Islam.
01:03:42.000But if we have a porous border where 10,000 people are coming in every day, eventually you end up with communities that are overwhelmingly fundamentally Islamic and will pass laws that say result in female genital mutilation.
01:04:18.000Rather than when our grandparents, like my grandparents, were eager to assimilate.
01:04:23.000The term assimilation has kind of become an ugly word to it, or an ugly tone to it nowadays.
01:04:30.000The way I look at this, this conversation, that one right there for instance, should be a conversation that we should be able to have without anybody feeling There's a yin and a yang here.
01:04:46.000President Eisenhower said the American mind at its best is both liberal and conservative.
01:04:55.000There are high-minded liberal views and there are high-minded conservative views.
01:05:00.000And I think it's important that we remember nobody owes it to you to agree with you.
01:05:04.000Nobody has a monopoly on truth, and a lot of things can be true at the same time.
01:05:09.000That's how I feel about the conversation we had about the books in middle school.
01:05:14.000That's the same to me about some of the racial things you were talking about, and the things we're talking about now.
01:05:20.000Many things are true at the same time.
01:05:22.000And the point, the founder's vision, was that if we do talk about it, we're all educated, we're all thinking, What's happened is this characterological way that we all jump to a conclusion, jump to an alignment with a kind of knee-jerk identification with what we think our side is supposed to think.
01:06:30.000But I think it is a moral issue that is between a woman and her conscience, the god of her understanding.
01:06:38.000I believe it is an issue of private morality and not public morality.
01:06:43.000Traditionally in this country, the divide between right and left, people on the right concern themselves more with issues of private morality, people on the left issues of public morality.
01:06:53.000Like that's why you find people on the right talking about abortion, talking about homosexuality, People on the left talking about economic justice as a moral issue, invading a country that didn't do anything to you as a moral issue.
01:07:07.000The Democrats are pro, you know, funding for Ukraine, and the Republicans are anti-intervention.
01:07:14.000Even that, that's a comp- can we just get more real and more deep about it rather than seeing- if they're doing it with Israel and Palestine too, everything- people are trying to make everything black and white now.
01:07:25.000Well, you said republic- the right tends to do this, the left tends to do that, and I would say a lot of that- But not in terms of specific issues, I didn't mean.
01:07:36.000I just feel- I trust the moral decision making of the American woman, and I don't think a government has any right to tell a woman what to do with her body.
01:07:44.000Do you think there should have been any limits on the amount of, like, how many weeks before?
01:07:48.000Yeah, and the states came up with those limits, and that's why I think what we had with Roe v. Wade was reasonable.
01:07:55.000So, in your view, do you think it should be a federally legislated or codified issue pertaining to abortion that should affect all states?
01:08:02.000Like, Roe v. Wade, for instance, was overturned.
01:08:04.000As president, would you advocate for or sign a bill that would federally codify Roe v. Wade?
01:08:26.000Yes, except when issues of health are involved.
01:08:28.000when yes except when the health of the health of when health issues of health
01:08:32.000are involved so look so let's say there's no issue of health a woman is
01:08:37.000pregnant would it be what's it what's your 360 Listen, when people start talking about this late-term abortion thing, you've got, no, do I think someone, a woman who's 8 months pregnant, just decides, you know, I don't want to do this, should she be able to have an abortion?
01:09:29.000Kate Cox's case reveals how far Texas intends to go to enforce it.
01:09:31.000There's judges saying what that woman has to do and she has to leave Texas to get an abortion that was necessary and it was for her health and for the viability of her being fertile in the future.
01:09:44.000Ah, yes, but this was, I believe, the Supreme Court ruled the doctor did not demonstrate a medical need.
01:09:51.000A bunch of men who are judges in Texas should not be determining what the doctor calls medical need and what the doctors were claiming was that her future fertility was at stake.
01:10:08.000So that's not for a bunch of judges in Texas to say, you therefore have not demonstrated medical need because they don't consider that a medical issue.
01:11:49.000My concern is with the definition of what it means to be a medical issue and how do we protect against abuse of the system.
01:12:01.000I've never been one to say that potential crimes of an individual should then infringe upon someone else's rights for say like medical care.
01:12:09.000I'm not talking about elective abortion.
01:12:11.000I'm saying, you know, if a woman has a very serious disease and is going to hemorrhage or something and the doctor's like, ma'am, you're not going to make it.
01:12:18.000I think it's absurd to be like, but that would abort the baby.
01:12:20.000So we got to talk to a judge or something.
01:12:22.000The concern there, however, is there have been instances where people have tried to argue mental health qualifies and have tried to use that to get elective abortion.
01:12:31.000It may be rare, but this is the concern conservatives have and pro-life individuals have is preventing abuse of the system and abortion as contraception.
01:12:39.000No matter what law you pass, there's going to be abuse of the system.
01:12:50.000Yeah, the idea that some people will break the law means that everyone must now abide by this harsh standard doesn't necessarily solve the problem.
01:12:57.000But there are concerns, for instance, in Colorado, the new law now, and I understand what you're saying about Roe v. Wade.
01:13:03.000Currently, abortion in Colorado is one of seven states without any term restrictions as to when a pregnancy can be terminated.
01:13:08.000It is colloquially described as restrictionless and limitless abortion meaning a woman could be without any medical health issue and at nine months and legally get an abortion.
01:13:23.000So, the famous example of this was when, I think it was Rep Tran, I could be getting her name wrong, in Virginia, argued to a judge that a baby could be at the point of birth and the doctor could terminate the life of the baby under Virginia's bill.
01:13:46.000Virginia governor faces backlash over comments supporting late-term abortion bill, where, whether intentionally or not, he actually described post-birth abortion, which is not a real thing, but he basically described just killing the baby.
01:13:58.000In his statement on radio, he said the baby would be delivered, resuscitated, and then they would decide if they would like to terminate it.
01:14:19.000So this issue like this comes up in the press, and just like all the other issues, you'll end up with me like, you know, traditional liberal, fairly pro-choice, but like, I think there should be safe, legal, rare.
01:14:30.000And you see a story like this, and I'll say, okay, this man's lost his mind.
01:14:40.000And we're sitting here like, we got the guy on his audio of him, uh, basically, uh, he says they're done in cases where there may be severe deformities.
01:14:48.000I can tell you exactly what would happen.
01:14:52.000The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.
01:14:55.000And then a discussion would ensue between the physician and the mother.
01:14:59.000Oh, so they're talking about severely deformed babies?
01:15:03.000We can, I will give him all of the benefit of the doubt and everything and we will say the most deformed a baby could be.
01:15:11.000He's still talking about after it's already born and alive, bring it to another room and then talking with a doctor whether you want to end its life.
01:15:19.000It's a question of You know, to what degree do we accept deformities to be terminated after birth, right?
01:15:25.000I mean, this is his quote, CNN has it.
01:15:29.000You know, what is severe deformity defined as legally?
01:15:34.000I mean, is Down syndrome considered to that degree?
01:15:38.000But I mean, one of the most common reasons for abortion is the baby is diagnosed with Down syndrome.
01:15:43.000But you know now, we have sonograms and we have, what is that other one called?
01:15:53.000In your opinion, if a woman found out that her healthy, viable pregnancy, the child had Down syndrome, do you think that's reason for an abortion?
01:17:17.000I support Roe v. Wade and I think a woman's right to abortion should be codified by law and I would do everything.
01:17:22.000The idea of a government telling a woman what she has to do is very difficult for me.
01:17:27.000When the Roe v. Wade decision came out, I was more on the side of, perhaps it's good the states can figure out for themselves and have more nuanced laws, but now, I don't know if I'm for Roe v. Wade, but I'm certainly for the federal legislation and adjudication of when a baby has constitutional rights.
01:17:46.000So, I believe life begins at conception.
01:17:50.000However, I'm much more libertarian on the issue, which is why I'm concerned about having to go to a doctor or a panel of judges to determine medical issues.
01:18:12.000You know, women used to have, you know, when I was growing up, it was simply before, before Roe v. Wade, and I think I was a little girl at the time, but certainly before it was legal.
01:18:25.000It was about rich women getting safe abortions and poor women getting unsafe abortions.
01:18:41.000Because the 14th Amendment, under its basic reading, I believe, protects the constitutional rights of the unborn.
01:18:49.000It says, no person, it does not say citizen, shall have their rights infringed without due process.
01:18:53.000But if we were to interpret that verbatim, textually, that would mean that if a baby is viable, Then only through adjudication in a court could the woman seek abortion, even if it was for medical reasons.
01:19:05.000Yeah, this says a legal person is someone that can do things a human person is usually able to do in law.
01:19:12.000So a baby wouldn't, I mean, an infant in the womb wouldn't be a person if they can't do any, you know, you got to be able to do things that a human can do.
01:19:19.000But then that means that, like, a seven-month-old baby, a seven, a child, can't do it.
01:19:46.000Well, if there's a baby that's nine months gestated, In the womb, and a baby that's nine months gestated that's already been delivered, you cannot say that they are different biological entities.
01:19:56.000The only thing that's different is the layer of flesh between them.
01:20:15.000I mean, slavery was working for a lot of people.
01:20:19.000A lot of people were against civil rights legislation.
01:20:22.000Only, I think, 5% of the country had slaves.
01:20:24.000Abortion wasn't working for the babies that were getting aborted either.
01:20:27.000Just like slavery wasn't working for the slaves, abortion's not working for the babies that are getting aborted.
01:20:33.000So you don't think that abortion should be legal under any circumstances?
01:20:37.000I'm pro-choice for the first trimester.
01:20:40.000And then at the end of the first trimester... My argument is more so if the baby can survive on its own, you shouldn't kill it.
01:20:46.000That's a tough argument because if you don't have electricity... Unless there's medical... Yeah, and then my concern is, like I agree with you, I think the idea that a doctor says to you like, hey, you're about to die, better call the judge and get an emergency writ.
01:21:02.000But I suppose if the Supreme Court ruled in the 14th Amendment that the unborn are legal persons, because if a baby is born premature at, what's the earliest they've gone now?
01:22:06.000The only difference between a baby six months that was born premature and a baby six months still in the womb is the layer of flesh between it.
01:22:13.000In which case, I actually think the Supreme Court we currently have may argue The 14th Amendment protects the due process rights of the unborn after viability, which is not too dissimilar from Roe v. Wade, but this results in, after 16 weeks, or maybe 20, a woman who wants an abortion for any reason, even medical, would have to go through a due process system.
01:22:38.000No, I just don't think the government should be involved there.
01:22:41.000I suppose the issue is the due process rights of persons.
01:22:45.000You know, and if a baby after six months is considered a person, if it's outside the womb, then why wouldn't it be inside the womb?
01:22:53.000And then, does a doctor have the right to kill someone without due process?
01:24:13.000Because really what it boils down to, we are talking about, you know, the edges here when it comes to, you know, most abortions are a form of birth control.
01:24:21.000Most abortions happen early, the majority of, but then when you start talking to like, you know, Partial birth abortions or whatever they are the the edge cases and so they're there It's not the the primary concern these things tend to come up when you're dealing with political conversations I'm just thinking I would bet you that somebody's gonna take something.
01:24:47.000I'm just I I was sitting there thinking, my God, this is why people don't, you know, they're going to take one sentence out of context.
01:24:54.000They're going to show me agreeing with Tim Pool about something out of context.
01:24:59.000And oh my God, look, she's one of them.
01:25:01.000I mean, there's already this, this, this meme about me that actually I'm a Christian Republican.
01:25:07.000And I was talking about a mole or something.
01:25:11.000That's a large part of the problem and that's also social media did that.
01:25:16.000Somebody did that with Israel and Palestine for me the other night.
01:25:20.000One sentence out of context and then One slip of the tongue or one, you know, like, well, we misspoke that one word and you're, you know, you're dead in the water politically.
01:25:30.000So we're on the other side of the fire.
01:25:32.000And this is why many liberals don't want to come on the show.
01:26:12.000It's not just the corporate press either.
01:26:14.000Because sometimes what I've seen in my life with all this is the corporate press will say it, but people who like to think of themselves as sophisticated and invulnerable to social media manipulation are so vulnerable to it.
01:26:29.000They'll see one anonymous tweet or one article on the internet as though, oh well then that's true.
01:26:35.000It's just so debased, our level of public dialogue.
01:26:40.000What's wrong with, we don't, why do we all have to agree on every little thing?
01:26:45.000And I see in politics, I see, I have never voted for anyone expecting that I agreed with them on everything.
01:26:55.000I've never voted for anyone expecting that during their term in office they would agree with me on everything.
01:27:01.000We're living at a time when you have to line up.
01:27:05.000And if you don't, if you agree on any little thing, or like we were just talking about, somebody will take something, a clip on the, on the, you know, like it could be tonight, right?
01:27:15.000I could hear it tomorrow from my team.
01:27:44.000This is why my view is just good versus evil.
01:27:48.000When someone, a parent, sees a book with a blowjob in it, given to their kids, Stonewall Honor Book, and being given to middle schoolers, and that parent says, you know, I take issue with this.
01:28:00.000And they go to the school board and they say, I don't know why you have this book in the curriculum, I don't think it's appropriate for children.
01:28:07.000Then all of a sudden you get a wave of activists in the media lying about what happened.
01:28:12.000The people who lie about you, and misrepresent you, I believe that's evil.
01:28:16.000They are causing damage and destruction to this country.
01:28:19.000They are harming you, who, you know, obviously you're trying to do good, you're trying to help people, you're trying to be a good person, and we respect it tremendously.
01:28:27.000But the media thinks you're a threat to their power.
01:28:29.000I shouldn't say the media, but elements of the political establishment.
01:28:46.000We could say with right and wrong, given that there is evil in the world.
01:28:51.000And I do believe there's evil in the world.
01:28:53.000I agree with you that we could, even though, believe me, I'm watching it, I'm living it right now, I'm living it with the way the corporatized political party system is, you know, keeping me out of the conversation, planting stories, planting people in your team, all of that.
01:29:16.000I mean, look, I think you are a good person.
01:29:21.000In 2020, in 2019, the primaries and everything, we watched you.
01:29:25.000We had Michael Malice here yesterday who said that he thinks you're so wonderful and fantastic, you've helped so many people, and the media lies about everything.
01:29:32.000None of us here or any of our friends have any issue with disagreeing with you.
01:29:40.000I don't think I'm right about everything.
01:29:41.000I certainly think I'm right about a lot, but I think I'm wrong about a lot too.
01:29:45.000And so what I think goodness would be is recognizing that there's a strong possibility I'm wrong about everything, therefore the best outcome for the people of this country, for the world, for the working class, and even the wealthy.
01:29:57.000We want everyone to succeed and strive.
01:30:00.000And this means we must be as honest as we can, advocate for what we believe, and represent the positions of others as best we can.
01:30:09.000So if you tell me your position on, you know, abortion or race or whatever, I want to make sure I have it exactly as you're saying it.
01:30:15.000We'll break down the core argument, let the people hear it, and then they can say, you know what, Marion's actually right about that.
01:30:49.000I think it is evil for someone to trick people into stealing power.
01:30:53.000Well, let's talk about it in terms of The foundational principles of the United States.
01:30:58.000We could stay away from right and wrong, good and evil, and go right to undemocratic.
01:31:03.000It is an assault and an undermining of democracy.
01:31:07.000So I think, you know, the founders, and I've heard you actually, I heard a clip of you the other day, because I said, Oh, I'm going to look at a little bit before I Go on his show, and you were talking about the Declaration of Independence and first principles and total agreement.
01:31:22.000So the founders did not expect that we would come to the quote-unquote right decision every time.
01:31:28.000But as Jefferson said, the only safe repository for power is in the hands of the people.
01:31:32.000So the whole idea of public education, the whole idea of free speech, the whole idea of a free press, the whole idea of freedom of assembly was so that we could Discuss things that we would have critical thought processes that were that were educated And so what the founders said is if that's the case and we really have the right to discuss these things more often than not The truth will out there's something so profound about that.
01:32:00.000So this corporatized media and and and social media Suppression of truth, smearing of people, mischaracterizing people, and believe me, I don't think anybody knows it more than I do actually, is a way of suppressing the democratic process.
01:32:19.000I'm concerned about the public school because you were saying education is key, but like this John Dewey Rockefeller public school thing that got built in like the late 1910, 1913.
01:32:29.000Yeah, that's not the Founding Fathers vision of how education would happen.
01:32:55.000That's why I have so much respect for teachers.
01:32:57.000We are going to go to Super Chats and take some questions.
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01:34:04.000says, Tim, now that those people polled and the Mediite readers will be like, who's Tim Poole and why would he be influential, it'll expand the reach of you and Jack.
01:34:13.000So, this organization, I'm being told it's affiliated with Ron DeSantis' campaign, or not his campaign, his super PAC.
01:34:21.000They did a poll and they wrote this story up saying, Poll finds Tim Poole and Jack Posobiec are not influential.
01:34:28.000And I'm just like, now hold on there a gosh darn minute.
01:34:31.000Why would you write a story about two people you think are unknowns with no influence?
01:34:47.000But I will say, the funny thing is, this is what Raymond's referencing, the poll actually found, and this is wild, despite the fact they're saying no one knows who Tim Poole is and he's not influential, the poll found one in three people are familiar with me.
01:35:34.000I'd like to meet- I'm talking about his campaign.
01:35:35.000We gotta have Christina Pashaun here to defend herself, because I am not happy the way she ran DeSantis' campaign.
01:35:41.000I would like to talk to her through her face.
01:35:43.000We invited her before, but I think she's made it clear as to why she shouldn't be on the show, and it's because, like, You know, sometimes we do want to get some fans to call into the show, but we don't do full two-hour segments where we just invite some random person off the street to come and talk politics.
01:36:00.000We usually try to find someone who has a body of work in some way.
01:36:03.000You don't have to have a million followers.
01:36:05.000Some people come on the show, they have like 3,000, you know, or none at all.
01:36:07.000They don't even have a social media account, but they're doing something relevant work.
01:36:11.000Kristina Pasha views herself as just a fan of politics.
01:36:14.000She's on Twitter and having flame wars with, like, random Twitter accounts.
01:36:26.000Basically, this is what they do, they lie.
01:36:30.000Like, the idea that a polling agency affiliated with his PAC would make some ridiculously stupid story saying Tim Poole's not influential, it's just the, like, stupidest thing I've ever heard.
01:36:42.000Because, like I was saying, Mediaite published a story saying Paul finds Tim Pool is not influential.
01:36:48.000Well then why would anyone click the story?
01:36:50.000Who wants to read about a guy they never heard about for no reason to find out a guy they don't know about has no relevance?
01:36:55.000How many people did they poll for that?
01:36:57.000I don't even know, but like the point is, would you read an article that says, Paul finds John Ferguson does not, is not known by you?
01:37:58.000So what happens with the DeSantis camp is Vivek Ramaswamy says, I will withdraw from the primary unless they allow Donald Trump to be involved.
01:38:08.000Ron DeSantis was asked, would you also withdraw?
01:38:11.000And he says, no, I earned the delegates.
01:38:14.000This is how it's played, 9-10 to win, but I do think it'll be overturned anyway.
01:38:33.000And I think what they're doing to you and even Cenk Uygur, despite his constitutional arguments on citizenship, I think that's completely wrong.
01:38:40.000And I think they should have a primary.
01:39:05.000A lot of people, are you familiar with what happened in Texas v. Pennsylvania was a lawsuit in 2020 and 2021 pertaining to procedural changes that violated the Constitution.
01:39:18.000in the elections held by several states and the Supreme Court said we will not
01:39:22.000weigh in at all. And so that meant issues pertaining to constitutional procedures
01:39:28.000in federal elections went unanswered and this is a huge component in why Trump
01:39:32.000supporters think the election was stolen. It's a huge component as to why
01:39:37.000It may be one of the biggest, if not the biggest.
01:39:39.000Yeah, if the Supreme Court had heard that case, if they had actually heard the case and just had a decision on it, I am willing to bet that January 6th doesn't happen at all.
01:39:49.000So this is 48 states involved in a lawsuit.
01:39:52.000So 48 states were involved in a lawsuit to the Supreme Court.
01:39:58.000Asking the Supreme Court to weigh on the legality of executives and judiciaries altering procedure in elections, Texas argued that the Constitution gives unilateral authority to the legislature to determine how an election is run, and the legislature has to have final say on the certification.
01:40:16.000If the election is changed outside of the purview of the legislature, the legislative branch of the state must approve those changes.
01:40:26.000So in Pennsylvania, for instance, you had changes to voting laws.
01:40:30.000In Georgia, you had the governor making changes.
01:40:33.000Texas said, how are we supposed to participate in an election when these states are in violation of the rules of the election for which we are participating?
01:40:42.000And the Supreme Court said, not interested.
01:40:45.000Because the Supreme Court was leaving it to the states to be in charge of their elections.
01:40:49.000Well, this didn't answer the question of, the Constitution says the legislative branch has the final say.
01:40:55.000The Supreme Court saying we don't care if a governor ignores the legislative branch outright says there is no answer to be given as to whether or not this violates the Constitution.
01:41:07.000So everyone's left in limbo shrugging like, what do we do?
01:41:56.000So if a judge changes the rules to an election, the question raised by Texas was, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
01:42:02.000The Constitution, and per the Supreme Court's own rulings, You know, the legislative branch should be determining the final outcome of how the auctions are run, not a judge changing at the last minute.
01:42:13.000And the Supreme Court just said, not interested.
01:42:16.000And so this was an original jurisdiction lawsuit.
01:42:20.000There was no answer given as to whether or not states, the legislative branch, must be the principal factor in determining their elections.
01:42:28.000So you end up with 48 states involved.
01:42:47.000Trump supporters say the Supreme Court has abandoned us.
01:42:50.000They've not answered the question of how the elections are supposed to be run, combined with the fraud narrative and a bunch of other things results in a lot of people losing their minds.
01:42:59.000I think that if the Supreme Court weighed in and gave a simple opinion, Then you don't think that Donald Trump would have claimed that the election was stolen?
01:43:24.000If they had ruled that it was, if they had actually taken it and said, no, it's fine.
01:43:28.000The Supreme Court ruled that a governor does not have the right to change how votes are counted without the approval of the legislature.
01:43:35.000Mike Pence would have been required to send those votes from numerous states back to the legislature to approve.
01:43:40.000The legislatures were Republican and probably would have partisanly just sided with Trump.
01:43:45.000Trump would have had nothing to complain about because the Supreme Court, I believe the only correct ruling and the reason why they didn't take it up was that in Georgia you had the governor issuing rulings on how the election would be run in violation of the Constitution.
01:44:39.000For instance, in Pennsylvania, this was big, a lower court judge ruled that the, uh, the
01:44:44.000The universal mail-in voting bill was actually unconstitutional on the merits, but it was appealed by Democrat groups to the state Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court ruled, despite the fact the Constitution does bar mail-in votes, we will allow this to happen.
01:45:00.000That's why Texas sued Pennsylvania saying, whoa, whoa, your own state constitution says you can't have universal mail-in voting and you're doing it anyway.
01:45:08.000So they said, Supreme Court, you need to stop this.
01:45:10.000This is in violation of their own constitution.
01:45:13.000But maybe the state legislature had given that.
01:45:18.000All right, well, if the state legislature had said to the election board or to the Secretary of State, or had given that, then that is the final say.
01:45:27.000It is not, because the law of Pennsylvania states that in order to amend the Constitution legislatively, there's a series of procedures that must be done.
01:45:35.000The state legislature abandoned the procedures for amending the Constitution and decided to force through a bill anyway.
01:45:41.000It was a bipartisan agreement between Republicans and Democrats.
01:45:44.000Republicans thought that if they got rid of the single-party voting, that the idea was someone could go in and just hit all Democrat and then throw their vote in and not have to worry about names.
01:45:53.000The Republican legislature said, we'll give you universal mail-in voting if you get rid of down-ballot party voting.
01:46:00.000However, many people in the state said, whoa, whoa, you can't do that.
01:46:05.000This is an unconstitutional deal between Republicans and Democrats.
01:46:09.000They went to court and a lower court judge ruled correct.
01:46:13.000It is unconstitutional to have universal mail-in voting.
01:46:16.000Democratic groups appealed to the state Supreme Court who said, no, no, no, this should be allowed.
01:46:21.000Texas then intervened and said, how can we be party to an election in this country if a state's in violation of its own constitution and a judge altered the rules in violation of the federal constitution?
01:46:33.000They asked for an answer from the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said, not interested.
01:47:16.000They refused to weigh in on something that was... I don't think, even if there's, you know, a lot of the things you're bringing up, I do remember vaguely that there was this stuff with Texas and Pennsylvania, but I'd have to like think about it and read about it to weigh in too much on that.
01:47:31.000I can tell you this, however, I do not believe that that was the reason, no matter what he said, that Donald Trump, you know, I don't think Donald Trump was taking this big sophisticated argument.
01:47:43.000And I don't think that the people who went over to the Capitol that day and bashed in the window said, you know, it's all because of Texas and Pennsylvania.
01:47:53.000What do you think about the criminal charges against the people from January 6?
01:47:58.000I think that we have a criminal justice system.
01:48:01.000But a specific example, Enrique Tarrio was not there.
01:48:06.000But the jury, and there was a jury there, this was the Proud Boys?
01:48:12.000Enrique Tarrio was the chair of the Proud Boys.
01:48:13.000So the jury said, based on things that he had done with groups of people, that he had done on Facebook, etc., a jury decided his culpability.
01:48:26.000Well, I think that that's... If he had wanted to argue that he could not get a fair trial in Washington, then the legal system is such that he could have made that argument.
01:48:51.000So, first, did you know that there are people who are acquitted on January 6th because they showed up, opened sidewalks, no gates, police fanned them in and opened the doors, and then when they went to court, they said, Your Honor, here's a video of the cop welcoming me in.
01:49:05.000The cop said, You're right, case dismissed.
01:49:11.000If that is all that someone did, then they should be acquitted.
01:49:14.000And there are people who are going to, uh, people I've met who are going to jail for 18 months because an hour after the riot on the other side of the building, Trump was speaking.
01:49:43.000They said they were there about three minutes, shrugged and said, oh, that was cool.
01:49:47.000And then a few months later, the FBI came to their house in the middle of the night or in the early hours of the morning, arrested them in front of their children, brought them to trial.
01:49:53.000And when they argued, we were there an hour after all this.
01:50:38.000So the reason why I said there's gonna be a civil war is I do not think you will find 74 million people who voted for Donald Trump are willing to accept that a man who was not at January 6th is going to prison for 20 years for posting on, I believe it was Getter, quote, don't leave.
01:50:58.000And for that, they sentenced Enrique Tarrio to 20 years in prison.
01:51:02.000They're not sending him for 20 years only for that.
01:51:41.000We've had Enrique on the show several times.
01:51:43.000So you're saying that he's being a jury is sending him to jail for 20 years and you're saying it's only because he said don't leave.
01:51:51.000I think they're sending him to jail because he's a prominent Trump supporter and the chair of the Proud Boys.
01:51:56.000But this argument would suggest that this massive conspiracy by which every jury member is talking to every... Do you think that if you were tried by a trial of Trump's most ardent supporters, they'd be fair to you?
01:52:12.000This is why you have jury questioning before someone is even allowed onto the jury.
01:52:21.000But still, a Democrat is different than whether or not... You think Joe Biden would get a fair trial in Montana?
01:52:31.000I think we are, in essence, a purple nation in our hearts, and I think people are interrogated before they're allowed to sit on a jury, and if they say things that are clearly prejudicial, then they're not allowed to sit on that jury.
01:52:58.000People holding that sentiment, do you think they would fairly assess a criminal trial against a Hunter Biden?
01:53:06.000Listen, I have two very close friends who are Trump supporters, but I think that they would wish to give someone a fair trial no matter who they were.
01:53:14.000I don't think that who you support politically, I like to think that there is a center of conscience in this country.
01:53:22.000The fact that I support someone politically doesn't mean I'm going to sacrifice my integrity or my adherence to the law.
01:53:28.000So where are the criminal prosecutions for the rioters in 2017, on January 20th?
01:53:36.000Does it set fire to vehicles, torch things in the streets, smashed windows, beat police?
01:53:41.000Anytime there is anyone who acts outside the law, there is a reason for them to be held accountable.
01:53:50.000That's why Lady Justice has a blindfold on.
01:53:52.000If it is fair, then why is it that the far-left extremists who set fires and vandalized and destroyed things in DC, not only were they acquitted, I should say not even acquitted, the charges were dropped, but they were paid out a million-dollar settlement.
01:54:06.000Why is it that in Washington DC, when the far-left Destroys, burns, and vandalizes, and bangs on the doors, and smashes their way into these buildings.
01:54:18.000Well, first of all, rioting in the street is different than attacking the Capitol of the United States and calling for the death of a vice president with a guillotine.
01:54:27.000Sure, but let's compare, say, a guy, the Q Shaman, for instance, right?
01:54:34.000He was escorted into the building by police.
01:54:36.000They walk him around on video, trying to open doors for him and lead him to the Senate chamber.
01:54:41.000Why did that guy go to prison, but the people who occupied and disrupted Congress for, say, abortion rights or for the Dakota Access Pipeline, when the left goes and occupies congressional buildings by force... Wait a minute, wait a minute.
01:54:56.000We're talking about individuals, right?
01:54:58.000Our elected representatives were afraid for their lives.
01:55:13.000So I'm comparing a specific instance where a guy is brought in by the police officers who give him a tour, open the door for him, and show him where to go.
01:55:57.000Well, you know, once again, Tim, I'd have to read about that.
01:55:59.000I mean, I don't know about that particular case.
01:56:02.000I think we can agree that people should be held accountable, but should be held fairly accountable, and that the legal system should be fair to everyone.
01:56:13.000I suppose the issue for me is, and the reason why I say there will be a civil war is because When it comes to a general conversation with the public, they believe lies from the corporate press about what really happened that day and on other days, and it results in torture, solitary confinement, political persecutions, and this is all actively happening right now.
01:56:33.000You do think that some of the people who came into the building that day were acting violently.
01:56:52.000So the problem then becomes, at a certain point, if Antifa, the Summer of Love riots, firebombed the White House, which they did, where's the May 29th hearings?
01:57:03.000Why do we not have a May 29th commission on the firebombing of the White House in St.
01:58:16.000I think it's because, with all due respect, I don't think you read the news the way Trump supporters and we do.
01:58:22.000I'm not saying we as Trump supporters- Well, those two things are not mutually exclusive.
01:58:27.000I think that the average liberal... I mean, the algorithms and so forth, because I do read the news and I do watch and I think of myself as informed and I'm not... I'll look, trust me, I'll look.
01:58:36.000I think what happens is the average liberal is getting their news and information from pundits, not from news sources.
01:58:42.000Well, I think that's what's wrong with our news media today.
01:58:45.000It's more people's opinions than it is accurate reporting.
01:58:49.000So, we get smeared all the time as We have this one agency trying to smear us as fake news despite the fact we use NewsGuard, which is a certification agency which speaks highly of the New York Times and all the corporate press.
01:59:02.000All the sources we use are always certified as credible, but they attack us because In terms of punditry, if you watch Chris Matthews or Rachel Maddow, they are lying to you.
01:59:12.000John Oliver is one of the most deceptive and manipulative people.
01:59:15.000Jimmy Kimmel is... I view him as malicious evil.
01:59:18.000He wished death upon his own friend live on television.
01:59:31.000I know, when it comes... Because I'm just ranting.
01:59:33.000When it comes to a lot of the people that you were mentioning, you know, on MSNBC and CNN, what I experience, which is really chilling, is just complete invisibilization.
01:59:45.000You know when I was first when I first announced that I was running for president, I heard a woman say on CNN She was obviously very miffed that I was running and she said I think we should just ignore her We should just pretend that she's not running and I thought well good luck and that's exactly what they did.
01:59:59.000That's their playbook Yeah, like you said at 13% this week on Quinnipiac, which which is really amazing considering the fact that I Do not get that exposure on those channels.
02:00:13.000Let's just pretend she's not there I'll go a little bit long to read superchats because that's my fault and there are some very nice things people are saying to you and some good questions.
02:00:21.000Allie L says, Marianne, I've been blessed by your work for 15 plus years and I appreciate you.
02:00:26.000Please consider reading the early church fathers and their writings pertaining to Jesus Christ.
02:00:30.000God bless you and Merry Christmas to the whole TimCast group.
02:01:02.000The moment they sit down in the office, a guy from the CIA sits down and says, just wanted to leave this with you, and they slide a picture of JFK.
02:01:08.000The implication is... Yeah, I understand.
02:01:11.000I would like to say I would like to think I would get on television immediately on live television let the people and say I am I guess I would say that I'm resigning right now but I want you to know what's going on in your country.
02:01:25.000I appreciate that. Gnarly Marley says the Grapes of Wrath, Tom Sawyer, and To Kill a Mockingbird
02:01:29.000were banned by leftists, not the right. No, that's not true.
02:01:33.000I know Tom Sawyer was banned by leftists. Oh, the Tom Sawyer issue is different and it
02:01:38.000should not have been banned. But Grapes of Wrath and To Kill a Mockingbird, not. I think the issue is
02:01:45.000there's a difference between not in the curriculum and banning the book outright.
02:01:49.000And a lot of what the argument is is around curriculum.
02:01:53.000How can you say that the Grapes of Wrath should not be in a curriculum?
02:02:03.000So the issue is... The idea that Grapes of Wrath, anybody saying Grapes of Wrath should not be read by anyone for any reason is chilling to me.
02:02:19.000Why if a school- I'm not talking about Grapes of Wrath.
02:02:21.000You were asking- I'm not talking about Grapes of Wrath.
02:02:23.000I'm saying a lot of the books that even, like, we have say shouldn't be in the schools, a lot of conservatives are like, no, no, no, no, just it shouldn't be required reading.
02:02:31.000So when I'm talking about Grapes of Wrath, or particularly Mockingbird, I'm saying that a lot of the books that have been brought up by the right that they say should be removed, they're not arguing for an outright ban.
02:02:49.000Some of it is like, if this one should be age-appropriate, then it should not be available to children in the library.
02:02:54.000It can be presented in sex ed with parental permission or whatever.
02:02:58.000So it's not about a ban, it's about how they present it.
02:03:01.000But these, I was reading about this woman who comes up with this list about what books should be banned, and she's She admits that she hardly ever read a book in her life and anything that has any implication of sexual feelings to her is pornographic.
02:03:38.000Are you going to fight back with a lawsuit?
02:03:40.000Well, you talk to a lawyer and you say, well, what would What would be the cost of going after this on the issue, let's say, of Florida, where the Democratic Party of Florida basically said, to the state of Florida, to the Secretary of State, Joe Biden is the only person that we're going to have on the ballot, which is so wrong.
02:04:03.000I'm an FEC-filed, registered candidate.
02:04:44.000This week they were doing it in Massachusetts.
02:04:46.000So I'm sort of holding powder dry because the bigger problem is that it's a pattern.
02:04:51.000I think the main point here that matters has to do with the function of political parties.
02:04:56.000George Washington warned us about them in his farewell address, and he said that they could form factions of men who were more loyal to their party than to their country.
02:05:07.000And John Adams said that they were a threat to democracy.
02:05:10.000So the point here is that traditionally the political party stood in the background, let the voters decide who the nominee would be, and then the party came in.
02:05:19.000So, to me, candidate suppression is a form of voter suppression.
02:05:29.000Spending $75,000 just to go after a case in Florida, when you also have the cost of everything else, and the fact that everything is so expensive is one of the ways the system is rigged, that to me is a bigger issue.
02:05:41.000So, Elegan News, I'm going to rephrase your statement, because it's kind of a question, but I'm going to rephrase it so it's easier to just read out.
02:05:51.000In reference to Enrique Tarrio and the sentencing, would you agree with black people being sentenced to long prison sentences if the jury determines that's what should happen?
02:06:04.000I don't think that it's always perfect, but I believe that we... Listen, like I said, I don't agree with the Supreme Court decision in 2000, but that doesn't mean I was going to burn down the Supreme Court building.
02:06:17.000So juries come up with their decisions.
02:06:19.000Some of them are fair, some of them are obviously unfair, but it's the best that we have.
02:06:25.000Do you think that Do you think like a jury of white people from a wealthy suburb are going to be fair to a impartial to like a black man accused of selling drugs?
02:06:35.000Well, I think that's why they have this.
02:06:57.000Would you find that acceptable in terms of how our system is supposed to work?
02:07:01.000No, but I've never heard a judge say that.
02:07:04.000A judge... I've never heard a judge say... And by the way, I'm having a little difficulty here because I think now it's a little too loud and I don't know if I'm talking weird because I'm... No, you're fine.
02:07:16.000I've never heard a judge say, I admit you couldn't get a fair trial here, but we're going ahead with the trial anyway.
02:07:22.000And I don't agree with every judge, but that's just something... And what do you think would be a... Like, let's say that hypothetically happened, and there was someone who was being charged with a crime, and the judge said... They petitioned for a change of venue, and the judge says, there's nowhere you can go that will free you from the bias of this place, so we're doing it here anyway.
02:07:40.000I don't think that would be right, and somebody would be petitioning somebody.
02:07:44.000I mean, even in those cases there is such a thing as judicial prejudice.
02:07:48.000Somebody would be arguing that there was judicial prejudice and the case would not stop there.
02:08:05.000Derek Chauvin petitioned for a change of venue, and the judge said there is no venue you can go to where you'll be free of any bias, so we do it here anyway.
02:08:16.000Wasn't there some legitimacy to that, given the fact that everybody saw the video?
02:08:20.000Everybody saw the video, so how could there be lack of prejudice anywhere?
02:08:25.000So the question is about the Constitution and what is fair in the court of law, and not what we want to have happened because of our feelings.
02:08:33.000So if the issue is a judge says there will be no fair trial for you, my argument is then there's no trial at all.
02:08:39.000And the man should be released because that's a limitation of our democratic system.
02:09:12.000The judge was saying, we're going to do our best.
02:09:15.000We're going to do our best in the way we interrogate people to make sure that they will be as non-prejudiced as possible.
02:09:22.000But the judge was admitting there's no location where it's going to be any different.
02:09:26.000Do you think it was fair that the other officers involved who were not, other officers who were there but not involved in the handling of George Floyd, do you think it's fair they went to prison?
02:09:35.000I think that there's a lot of accountability in a person who stands there knowing, if you know that somebody is murdering someone and what he was doing, it was reasonable to assume that he would die.
02:09:50.000Absolutely, I think trying those officers makes sense.
02:09:54.000What if it was for one of the officers who was holding back the crowd?
02:09:58.000I wouldn't say holding back, but standing in front of with his arms out, because I don't think he made physical contact pushing them or anything.
02:10:19.000I mean, that's what a trial is for, a trial to prove You know, if I saw, if it was clear to me as a jury member, no, he saw and he chose to do nothing.
02:10:30.000But if somebody else was holding back the crowd and said that he didn't even see, I would listen very carefully.
02:10:37.000And I would listen to testimony and I would see video and it would make obviously a huge difference whether he knew or not.
02:10:43.000We're going to go to the Members Only Uncensored show.