Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Derek Chauvin Trial DELAYED As DA Wants Another Murder Charge w- Clifton Duncan

00:00:00.000 You Today was the first day of the trial for Derek Chauvin in

00:00:33.000 the George Floyd case and Trial is being delayed because the judge wants to add

00:00:38.000 another murder charge Basically, they want to add, I think it's third-degree murder to Chauvin's list of charges.

00:00:46.000 Which is serious, because a lot of people think that second-degree murder won't stick.

00:00:50.000 They overcharged him.

00:00:51.000 Basically, you have to prove he wanted to kill somebody, and that's going to be very, very difficult to prove.

00:00:57.000 But let's be real.

00:00:58.000 Even with third-degree murder, manslaughter is going to be hard enough to prove as it is, and a lot of people think Chavin will actually be acquitted.

00:01:06.000 Now, it all comes down to politics.

00:01:09.000 If politics plays a role in this, he could be convicted of all counts, or he could be found not guilty on all counts because they don't want the cop to go to jail for this.

00:01:17.000 I think realistically there is a good possibility of a manslaughter charge sticking, but then you have the fact that the Minneapolis Police Department actually trains their officers to do exactly what Chauvin did.

00:01:28.000 So by all means, criticize the department, say you don't like them for doing that, but can you blame the individual for doing as he was trained to do?

00:01:34.000 That's where things get sticky.

00:01:36.000 In the end, I don't I don't care.

00:01:38.000 I don't think it matters what happens.

00:01:41.000 They're going to riot.

00:01:42.000 So, you know, we'll talk about that.

00:01:43.000 We got a couple other stories.

00:01:44.000 We got Andrew Cuomo facing impeachment because there's a lot of things that guy did wrong, you know, killing people and then grabbing that woman's whole head and like squeeze.

00:01:53.000 I love this.

00:01:54.000 They said, you know, Cuomo Cuomo gave out a statement saying I did not inappropriately touch any woman.

00:01:59.000 And there's a photo of him just grabbing this woman's head.

00:02:01.000 It's like, bro, you grabbed her whole head.

00:02:04.000 Like, I don't know if It's okay.

00:02:06.000 It's inappropriate.

00:02:06.000 Like if he was touching her arm, I'd be like, well, you know, he grabbed her, hold it.

00:02:09.000 And then we have this, I can't believe I'm going to say this.

00:02:11.000 Burger King tweeted, women belong in the kitchen. 1.00

00:02:15.000 That's that's them.

00:02:16.000 I didn't say that.

00:02:16.000 That's not my quote.

00:02:17.000 Burger King tweeted that women belong, and Burger King said this, in the kitchen. 1.00

00:02:21.000 Straight quote.

00:02:23.000 So we'll talk about all that.

00:02:24.000 We are being joined today by classically trained actor, Clifton Duncan.

00:02:28.000 You want to introduce yourself?

00:02:29.000 Yes, my name is Clifton Duncan.

00:02:30.000 Hello to all my new friends out there.

00:02:32.000 I'm a Broadway veteran and one of the few actors that people seem to want to listen to these days when I talk about politics and current events.

00:02:38.000 How strange is that?

00:02:39.000 The most I've accomplished in my career is creating a Twitter account and it's a very dubious accomplishment, but I'm riding the wave right now.

00:02:48.000 I like to say Twitter is pointless, but I guess, you know, here you are, I suppose.

00:02:52.000 It puts you on the political stage, in a manner of speaking.

00:02:55.000 It's very strange.

00:02:56.000 It's very strange.

00:02:57.000 You know, I started... because I had an account before, and I had an anonymous account where I said, this is what I really think.

00:03:03.000 And I was like, you know, my public account, I will just... I'll...

00:03:08.000 Use that for work.

00:03:09.000 But my problem is that I just can't shut my mouth.

00:03:12.000 And at a certain point, especially when things began to fall apart in 2020, I just, you know, I began to really freak out.

00:03:21.000 And I said, you know, I just have to, I have to say something someone has to do.

00:03:25.000 And honestly, it was, it was your rant last year.

00:03:28.000 It's one of the reasons that I'm sitting here right now.

00:03:29.000 You were like, you know, I didn't do that.

00:03:31.000 Yeah, well, your censor of it was was hilarious in the in the clip, like, HUCK!

00:03:35.000 But I said yes, because I'm not going to get into it, but I've experienced in my life that when people see something wrong, they always say someone should do something, someone should say something, but no one ever does, and that someone should be you.

00:03:51.000 So I'm messaging James Lindsay, he wrote back to me, and I ended up meeting up with Kerry Smith, She just happened to be driving from Texas to somewhere else, and we met up in Atlanta.

00:04:03.000 Things kind of took off from there, and I just began saying what I really think, and Twitter, for all its uselessness and vitriol, it kind of caters to my strengths, which is being a smart aleck and being able to write with a little bit of flair.

00:04:20.000 I feel like there's actually more and more people who are not conservative, but are about freedom and free speech and humor.

00:04:27.000 This politically homeless space is getting bigger.

00:04:30.000 More people are coming into it, you especially.

00:04:32.000 Yeah, well, you know, it's fascinating because, you know, I have private conversations with people in my industry and outside of it, in New York and in other places, who say, yeah, I agree with everything that you're saying, but I just...

00:04:45.000 And like you, I began to become irritated because I do have sympathy.

00:04:49.000 You have things that you want to protect in your life.

00:04:52.000 You have a livelihood.

00:04:53.000 You have a family that you want to provide for.

00:04:54.000 But at the same time, I think 2020 has demonstrated our mass inability to do a really good and mature cost-benefit analysis.

00:05:03.000 So what's worse?

00:05:04.000 You losing your job right now?

00:05:06.000 Or are you continuing to allow these things to perpetuate?

00:05:10.000 And what kind of world will your children live in?

00:05:13.000 A world where they can't say what they really feel, where they have to keep lying about things that we know are obviously true?

00:05:21.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 It's a 1984 world where you're looking at a picture of a blue square and you keep telling everyone it's a red triangle.

00:05:29.000 It's a red circle.

00:05:30.000 Yeah, a red circle.

00:05:31.000 And then you know deep down, you're like, I know that's not true, but if I say otherwise, that is an insane way to live.

00:05:37.000 One of the most devastating lines I've ever read in all of literature is the final line of 1984, where he says, he loved Big Brother.

00:05:45.000 And I feel like, I shouldn't say this, but I'm well on my way to cancellation anyway, might as well say it.

00:05:52.000 But that's what I feel like because now, at least in my industry, you're doing meet and greet at the first day and people say, well, say who you are and what your role is and what you're here for and also share your pronouns.

00:06:03.000 And I feel like if I do that, now I have no problem if someone wants to be addressed in a certain way.

00:06:09.000 But don't compel me to do that.

00:06:10.000 And I feel like if I do do that, then in a way that's me saying, well, I love Big Brother.

00:06:16.000 I'm going along with this ideological bent that I don't really understand and that I can't embrace fully.

00:06:23.000 I have serious issues with that.

00:06:25.000 You can always culture jam and say, like, my pronouns are Alilala and Malalalala.

00:06:29.000 And then when they ask you to repeat it, be like, you didn't ask anybody else to repeat it.

00:06:34.000 So, I agree with you, if someone, you know, if somebody has particular pronouns, I don't care, you know, I'll call you, I'll address you as you want to be addressed because I'm seeking to communicate with you and trying to build a certain level of, you know, respect.

00:06:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:45.000 But if someone asks of me, it's like, oh, if you want, you don't want to ask me to play these games, like to engage in this stuff, because I just get weird with it.

00:06:54.000 Well, it's also like, you know, is there really any mystery as to what pronouns I might go?

00:06:59.000 I'm 6'3 with broad shoulders and a baritone voice.

00:07:02.000 Are you really confused?

00:07:05.000 No.

00:07:05.000 No, Tim.

00:07:06.000 That's a nice attempt, but it doesn't quite fit.

00:07:10.000 Not quite.

00:07:12.000 Him?

00:07:13.000 Did I get it that time?

00:07:14.000 That works for me.

00:07:15.000 Alright, here we go.

00:07:16.000 Him with a Y? 0.90

00:07:17.000 It's like a warm glove.

00:07:18.000 It fits perfectly.

00:07:19.000 It's H-X-M. 0.88

00:07:20.000 Oh, okay.

00:07:20.000 Him.

00:07:21.000 It's too much.

00:07:22.000 Zim! 0.99

00:07:23.000 We also got Ian.

00:07:25.000 Hey, everybody.

00:07:26.000 Ian Crossman, what up?

00:07:27.000 What up, Clifton?

00:07:30.000 Okay, so you said hello to everybody else, but when you're talking to me... Oh snap, I see how it is.

00:07:34.000 I'm getting real with you.

00:07:35.000 You're trying to ingratiate yourself to me.

00:07:36.000 That's how I communicate. 0.75

00:07:37.000 By the way, before we came on air, this is hilarious, we were talking about how, I don't know why, but the only leftists seem to automatically see black people whenever there's an ape or a gorilla or something. 0.98

00:07:48.000 What the heck? 0.72

00:07:50.000 All right, so let's get some context real quick.

00:07:54.000 Let's get the context real quick.

00:07:55.000 There's a very, very big Instagram model who wore the Timcast IRL shirt.

00:07:59.000 She's got like almost 11, she's got 10.6 million followers.

00:08:03.000 And this is just like one of the coolest things ever.

00:08:07.000 I don't know if I should shout her out because I don't want to, you know, draw undue political attention, but she's a very, very big influencer.

00:08:12.000 And she has two different posters.

00:08:13.000 She's wearing the I am a gorilla t-shirt, which is just meant to be a silly meme about, you know, Alex Jones.

00:08:18.000 It's not really political.

00:08:19.000 It doesn't even reference Jones.

00:08:20.000 It was just something from the show that we thought was funny that people seem to like.

00:08:24.000 You should, there should be no message conveyed other than I am a gorilla and a picture of a gorilla.

00:08:29.000 So she wore that and it was really, really awesome.

00:08:31.000 So we were talking about it, but she did have one of the discolored ones.

00:08:34.000 It's not the really awful, it's just kind of weird looking.

00:08:37.000 And then you made a comment about the left.

00:08:40.000 Whenever they see stuff like this, they immediately think of black people.

00:08:44.000 And I was told this when we made the I Am A Gorilla shirt.

00:08:46.000 I thought it was just a funny cartoon gorilla.

00:08:48.000 And leftists actually said the shirt was racist, just in and of itself being a gorilla.

00:08:52.000 And I was like, now that's racist.

00:08:55.000 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 So your point was, if you want to elaborate.

00:08:58.000 It's like, no, I mean, there's not a real point to it.

00:09:00.000 It's just, you know, I kind of point out absurdities and things. 0.79

00:09:05.000 I don't know what kind of person you are if when you see a primate, you automatically think of black people. 0.93

00:09:11.000 I think you need to seek help. 0.98

00:09:13.000 Listen, listen, like Robin DiAngelo says she's racist. 1.00

00:09:16.000 Yeah.

00:09:17.000 So I think a lot of people like us who are just like regular, moderate, liberal types by a lot of people listen to the show, regular, moderate, conservative types don't think of black people when they see, you know, cartoon gorillas or whatever.

00:09:29.000 But it's no surprise then that these racists on the left They do think it.

00:09:35.000 They literally tell us they're racist.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:37.000 Why would we doubt their own words, you know what I mean? 0.93

00:09:38.000 I think, oh, just saying black and white is super, if not necessarily racist, just ignorant, because our skins aren't black and white. 0.86

00:09:45.000 Like, you have like a brownish hue, I've got a pinkish hue. 0.54

00:09:47.000 They do that too, though.

00:09:48.000 Like, I'm not white. 0.90

00:09:49.000 My skin is not.

00:09:50.000 This is white.

00:09:51.000 Well, even then, that in and of itself is just way too broad.

00:09:54.000 I mean, people say, well, you know, black people, I'm like, okay, are they Nigerian?

00:09:57.000 Are they Trinidadian?

00:09:59.000 You know, are they Jamaican?

00:10:01.000 You know, where are they from?

00:10:02.000 I lived with a couple of Alvin Ailey dancers in New York City, up in Harlem.

00:10:07.000 And one of the girls was a Canadian immigrant with Jamaican ancestry.

00:10:13.000 I called her a Jamaicanadian.

00:10:15.000 But she had no accent.

00:10:17.000 But here in America, they would call her an African-American. 0.99

00:10:20.000 I'm like, that doesn't make sense.

00:10:21.000 But I had an ex-girlfriend who is Nigerian, who was raised here, who could legitimately be called an African-American.

00:10:27.000 You know, that's why I never use that term.

00:10:29.000 I just say Black American.

00:10:30.000 I worked with a guy who was an immigrant from Haiti and he was here on a work visa, not even a citizen.

00:10:34.000 And we were talking about the absurdities of like these forms they make us fill out in these jobs.

00:10:38.000 And he got really mad.

00:10:39.000 He was like, they keep calling me African-American.

00:10:41.000 I'm from Haiti.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:43.000 And like, it was serious.

00:10:43.000 Cause he was proud of his country and like, it meant something to him, but they kept calling him.

00:10:47.000 First of all, he wasn't from Africa and he wasn't from America, but like that was stripped away for this, for the sake of political correctness.

00:10:53.000 That's what they do.

00:10:54.000 I won't put white or Caucasian on forums. 1.00

00:10:56.000 I'll put other, because I'm not white and I'm not from the Caucasus.

00:10:59.000 Well, you're allowed to do that now.

00:11:00.000 Yeah.

00:11:01.000 Yeah.

00:11:01.000 Like the Caucasus region, like all from Georgia or something.

00:11:04.000 I'm from Ohio.

00:11:06.000 All right.

00:11:06.000 Let's, uh, we'll, let's get into the first story.

00:11:07.000 Don't forget we got Sacrifice.

00:11:08.000 Let's press one of the buttons.

00:11:09.000 I'm in the corner.

00:11:10.000 I'm pushing the button.

00:11:10.000 This is going to be a great conversation.

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00:11:21.000 Oh, I love it.

00:11:22.000 About a whole bunch of crazy things with a whole bunch of crazy awesome people.

00:11:24.000 We got James O'Keefe.

00:11:25.000 We got Sidney Powell.

00:11:26.000 We got Blair White.

00:11:27.000 We got Matt Brainerd.

00:11:28.000 We had Ben Stewart.

00:11:30.000 In the last segment, talking about alien civilizations, maybe already dead, and DMT as some kind of path towards another reality.

00:11:37.000 If you're into that, all that kind of weird stuff.

00:11:39.000 Otherwise, we got Jack Murphy saying, progressives can't be alphas.

00:11:42.000 Immediately, I know many progressives are going to be like, I challenge that assertion, and you should listen to it, because it's actually an interesting debate.

00:11:48.000 I totally argued with Jack on that point, because I disagree.

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00:11:55.000 Let's get this first story.

00:11:56.000 Let's get to the big news.

00:11:57.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Star Tribune reports Derek Chauvin trial.

00:12:00.000 Court adjourned for the day.

00:12:01.000 Jury selection expected to begin Tuesday unless appeals court intervenes.

00:12:06.000 They say motions were reviewed during a short one-hour session in the afternoon.

00:12:10.000 Case resumes Thursday.

00:12:11.000 is that jury selection was delayed for at least a day in the murder case against Chavin,

00:12:16.000 charged with killing George Floyd. Hennepin County District Attorney Judge Peter Cahill

00:12:19.000 said he wants to hear from the state court of appeals about the prosecution's desire

00:12:23.000 to revive a third-degree murder charge to the counts of second-degree murder and manslaughter

00:12:28.000 in Floyd's death last May, which was captured on a bystander's cell phone and broadcast

00:12:36.000 This is where we're at so far.

00:12:37.000 the disputed count last fall, so the prospective jurors home for the day ahead of bringing

00:12:42.000 them back.

00:12:43.000 Oh, he sent the progressive jurors home the day ahead of bringing them back on Thursday.

00:12:47.000 This is where we're at so far.

00:12:49.000 And outside of this news about the delay, we also have, they've set up barricades already,

00:12:54.000 2000 National Guard being called in.

00:12:56.000 This is always the craziest thing.

00:12:57.000 I'm like, when you know we're putting these videos together, trying to figure out what

00:13:00.000 the right title should be.

00:13:02.000 It's like, do we mention 2000 National Guard called into Minneapolis because they're scared

00:13:07.000 people are going to go crazy?

00:13:09.000 Or do we just give you like the straight facts?

00:13:10.000 And I was like, let's just, you know, let's avoid the like the, ah, you know, National

00:13:14.000 Guard's coming to get you.

00:13:15.000 But I think it's fair to say no matter what happens, I think we'll see riots, you know.

00:13:19.000 I don't know what you think.

00:13:22.000 It's not going to end well.

00:13:23.000 I wish I remembered his name, but there was a guy who wrote a piece on Medium around the time all this stuff was going on, and he mentioned it's a part of the MPD's code.

00:13:35.000 They're allowed to use the knee on the neck or something like that in terms of restraint.

00:13:42.000 And his whole argument was that it's likely that Chauvin is not going to be convicted of first-degree murder.

00:13:48.000 I just don't think these charges are going to stick.

00:13:50.000 Second.

00:13:51.000 Second and third.

00:13:52.000 They're trying to add third.

00:13:53.000 So, I mean, I just don't know how these charges will stick, but it's also...

00:13:57.000 This is a huge sticking point for me because it's yet another in this litany of stories that involve law enforcement and a black person being killed that are completely distorted by the press.

00:14:12.000 You take this string of incidents, or you create this string of incidents.

00:14:18.000 You don't look at them on an individual basis.

00:14:20.000 For me, the Eric Garner case, that was more of a gray area.

00:14:23.000 But then you have the Walter Scott case where he got shot in the back and it's a clear-cut case of murder.

00:14:28.000 I think that cop is actually serving 20 years.

00:14:31.000 Oh, was that the one where the guy was running away?

00:14:33.000 He was running away.

00:14:34.000 And the cop just like... And the cop just pulled it, bam, and shot him.

00:14:36.000 Right.

00:14:36.000 Like, that kind of stuff, you're like, you know, I think the Philando Castile shooting was also a bad shoot.

00:14:42.000 But there's... And the NRA, that was the one where he legally owned a gun.

00:14:46.000 Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right.

00:14:47.000 And the cop panicked and shot him anyway.

00:14:49.000 That made me angry because I was like, the NRA should have been out here in two seconds.

00:14:52.000 Right.

00:14:53.000 See, and here's the thing on top of that, because there are many channels on YouTube that upload nothing but police body cam and dash cam footage.

00:15:02.000 So you can, I mean, I've seen, I've seen a lot of people get shot, but you can see hours and hours of what police have to deal with all the time.

00:15:09.000 And when you begin to see For instance, how a routine traffic stop that can be friendly, you know, pleasant, can turn deadly like that.

00:15:20.000 You know, or you see, I mean, the idea of sending social workers to handle, you know, for instance, like the... Capital insurrection.

00:15:28.000 You know, well, it's just...

00:15:30.000 Because you know, when you see enough videos of like a six foot five, you know, dude, who's in some kind of psychosis, or he's on drugs or something, and you know, they try tasers, they don't work, they try bean bag rounds, they don't work.

00:15:41.000 They try, I mean, people, they're emptying their magazines into this person, and they still don't die.

00:15:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:46.000 It's just, there's so many more layers.

00:15:48.000 And there's so many more things that you that you have to consider that people just don't consider when dealing with the police, you know what I mean?

00:15:54.000 Take any one of these people to a firing range and then give them a handgun and watch them completely change their opinions on all of this stuff.

00:16:02.000 So I recently was talking to some friends and explaining to them.

00:16:05.000 The first time I ever went to a shooting range, it was during the Ferguson riots.

00:16:08.000 I've mentioned this so, you know, fans of the show probably are familiar with the story.

00:16:11.000 They said, the first thing was, have you ever fired a gun before?

00:16:14.000 If you haven't, we don't want you to go in there without someone to train you and give you the basics.

00:16:19.000 And so I said, I hadn't, but The guy I was with was this hardcore war journalist who's fired full-auto AKs in the Philippines and other crazy countries.

00:16:30.000 So he was like, don't worry, we'll teach him how to fire a Glock, no problem.

00:16:34.000 Actually, no, my aim was awful.

00:16:38.000 But I was consistent. 0.94

00:16:40.000 I aimed for the chest and the target at seven yards, and I hit him in the groin every time.

00:16:44.000 But that's a true story, true story.

00:16:47.000 I was very aware of how I was holding my body, and I could repeat that same position, but I was just shooting low every time.

00:16:55.000 And they told me I was probably pulling my hand down when I was pulling the trigger, and they tried giving me these pointers.

00:17:00.000 What they told me was the average person that they give a handgun to can't hit the target at seven yards.

00:17:05.000 And believe it or not, the other people who were with us, they couldn't hit this thing.

00:17:08.000 I was amazed by how bad everyone's accuracy was.

00:17:12.000 Now you imagine you're, what, 20 yards away?

00:17:15.000 The MythBusters did this thing where they were like, a person with a knife can close 21 yards before the cop can get his gun out.

00:17:21.000 So the average person in a panic situation, a cop even with certification of some sort, It's a high-intensity moment, he's freaking out, he's adrenaline rushing, and he goes for his gun, and the guy's already closed the gap.

00:17:33.000 And if the guy's further away than that, he's gotta be pretty good, proficient with his weapon.

00:17:37.000 People don't realize, man.

00:17:38.000 There is a reporter who did, who, you can find this video on YouTube, who was very much, you know, he was on that narrative of like, you know, anti-police and all this stuff, and he went and underwent the training.

00:17:50.000 And that exact scenario, you know, someone, and there's, again, there's videos online that you can find of people with a knife.

00:17:57.000 And, you know, they might be across the room or something like that, and the officer will get stabbed several times before his partner is able to draw and take the guy down.

00:18:06.000 But this reporter was like, oh, his mind totally changed because he saw just how dangerous somebody can be with a knife.

00:18:11.000 I mean, there was a shooting recently, was it in Philadelphia, where the guy had the knife and people were like, he shouldn't have been shot.

00:18:16.000 I'm like, dude, he was on, he was having some kind of mental...

00:18:23.000 I don't know if the politically correct term is psychosis or not.

00:18:26.000 Episode.

00:18:27.000 Episode.

00:18:27.000 Let's go with that.

00:18:28.000 And Andy had a knife.

00:18:30.000 And when you've seen hours and hours of this stuff and you see how it turns out, it's one thing if you have an issue with police using lethal force.

00:18:41.000 I could actually respect that position if you have an ethical problem with it.

00:18:44.000 I'm just glad you're not a cop.

00:18:45.000 But if you're trying to say, well, they should never ever under any circumstances use, I'm like, dude, sorry, man.

00:18:50.000 That's just not how life works.

00:18:51.000 It's not how life works.

00:18:52.000 You are divorced from reality.

00:18:54.000 I cannot ask, in good conscience, a cop to go out there knowing there are risks.

00:18:59.000 And I don't mean all the time.

00:19:00.000 It's not, you know, I'm sure they can be on edge in many circumstances.

00:19:04.000 It's not like every day they go out there, you know, on the verge of dying.

00:19:07.000 But it is a lottery ticket where if you get those numbers right, you get a bullet.

00:19:11.000 And so I'm not going to ask someone to buy that ticket unless I give them the opportunity to protect themselves in the event the ticket comes due.

00:19:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:18.000 So I see these cops who go out there and I think we need police reform.

00:19:22.000 I think we've got issues with police accountability.

00:19:24.000 I've experienced this in Chicago.

00:19:24.000 It could always be better.

00:19:26.000 Absolutely.

00:19:27.000 And at the same time, we just had this video go viral where a woman, I guess the story was a woman asked these cops to come in and protect her as she was going into her home because she was worried about an ex who was armed.

00:19:37.000 And so the cops are like, he has a weapon, let us know where the weapon is, and it seems like they're with her to protect this woman.

00:19:42.000 Dude barges in the door and starts shooting like crazy.

00:19:45.000 This is a reality, man, when you have to deal with the violence and the anger.

00:19:51.000 And so here's what ends up happening is...

00:19:53.000 We're asking cops to enter the situation, but we're also asking them to essentially throw themselves in the sacrificial dagger in the event that something goes wrong.

00:20:00.000 So you have, I think the George Floyd thing was a very, very tragic case with a whole lot of problems.

00:20:06.000 And I do think that Chauvin bears some responsibility for this.

00:20:09.000 That's why I said manslaughter may actually be an actual outcome.

00:20:12.000 And the reason for it, he remained on the neck three minutes after Floyd was unresponsive.

00:20:19.000 And so maybe you argue that the training says that's what you're supposed to do because it allows them to breathe.

00:20:24.000 Maybe your argument is he should have sat him up and then provided rendered eight or something.

00:20:29.000 The challenge is, you know, like I said, they might actually say manslaughter, like, you know, you could have done something, you were the one who restrained him, and the restraint was part of the, you know, the reason for death.

00:20:38.000 But you have many circumstances where, well, let me start by saying this, you have many circumstances where cops screw up.

00:20:44.000 Philando Castile, legal gun owner in his car, telling the cop, I do have my legal gun, and the cop panics and shoots him anyway.

00:20:50.000 That's messed up.

00:20:51.000 But then you have, you know, these circumstances where in that one viral video where these two cops are trying to subdue a guy and then he runs to his door, grabs the gun, and just shoots both these cops like crazy.

00:21:02.000 That's real life.

00:21:03.000 These things happen.

00:21:04.000 I think it's the video where the one cop just starts, he lets out this blood-curdling shriek and then it's just silent after he gets, I mean, yeah, that's some chilling stuff.

00:21:13.000 It is.

00:21:13.000 But you have to be aware of that kind of thing and that kind of danger before you can really offer any sort of nuanced opinion on these kinds of matters.

00:21:21.000 And now think about it.

00:21:22.000 So for all the things I've seen wrong, like you mentioned was the Michael Scott case?

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:27.000 Walter Scott.

00:21:28.000 Walter Scott, sorry.

00:21:29.000 Michael Scott is from the office.

00:21:30.000 Yes.

00:21:30.000 Great actor.

00:21:31.000 Not him!

00:21:33.000 Walter Scott was running away and the cop just looks and then puts a bullet in his back.

00:21:37.000 He went to prison for that.

00:21:38.000 He got held accountable.

00:21:39.000 I'm glad to hear it.

00:21:40.000 For all these other stories, you gotta understand the nuance.

00:21:43.000 And the way I usually put it is, I hear the left say, oh, the likelihood they get shot or whatever is slim to none, and I'm like, I hear ya, I hear ya.

00:21:50.000 So what you're saying is, you think these guys should take a job that doesn't pay very well, has crappy hours, and every day is a lottery ticket where if their number comes due, they die?

00:21:59.000 I'm sorry, man, I'm gonna give them a weapon and say, in the event that happens, because we're asking you to do this on our behalf, you defend yourselves.

00:22:05.000 And that means there's going to be some some there's going to be accidents.

00:22:09.000 There's going to be bad people.

00:22:11.000 And it means it's a part of life.

00:22:12.000 We got it.

00:22:12.000 We got to figure it out.

00:22:13.000 When when that dude shot, you know, Walter Scott in the back, he got arrested and charged for it.

00:22:17.000 He got he got held accountable, thankfully, because of video.

00:22:20.000 So we need to make sure we're being reasonable in the event with George Floyd.

00:22:23.000 I think it's I think it's interesting.

00:22:24.000 I think they overcharged the guy.

00:22:26.000 And I think the activists want retribution.

00:22:30.000 I don't think justice is the right word for it.

00:22:31.000 The question is, was he defending himself?

00:22:33.000 I agree with you.

00:22:33.000 Because their job is, they need to defend themselves, but was Chauvin defending himself?

00:22:38.000 He wasn't.

00:22:39.000 It didn't seem like it.

00:22:40.000 No, and I definitely think the media on the left makes it out to be substantially worse than it was, especially after we saw the body camera footage.

00:22:47.000 Floyd saying, take me out, put me on the ground, put me on the ground, things like that.

00:22:50.000 But I do think there is a legitimate question where we can have a debate about manslaughter, not murder.

00:22:55.000 The murder charges, I think, are going to fall off because I think third degree murder is that you intended to cause harm that resulted in death.

00:23:02.000 But I don't think, look, so we can pull this up.

00:23:04.000 We have this tweet from Brandon Stahl.

00:23:06.000 You can actually see, this is from the MPD training manual, apparently.

00:23:10.000 It shows the cops putting their knee on the neck of another officer.

00:23:14.000 It's not a real, you know, submission.

00:23:16.000 This is a training video, YouTube.

00:23:18.000 Don't demonetize us.

00:23:19.000 This is the police training material.

00:23:21.000 You can see they're trained to do this.

00:23:22.000 And they're told to do it because they say, place the subject in the recovery position to alleviate positional asphyxia.

00:23:29.000 The point of putting their knee on the neck is specifically to stop them from suffocating.

00:23:34.000 The question is, George Floyd was put in the custody of these officers.

00:23:39.000 When the officers assume custody of an individual, they have a responsibility now.

00:23:42.000 They have a responsibility to make sure that they're not causing the person harm or creating undue stress and, you know, checking on this individual.

00:23:51.000 I will say, the reason it's a tough question is because it was a matter of, it was nine minutes.

00:23:56.000 To me, that's crazy.

00:23:56.000 That's a long time to be kneeling on somebody, nine minutes.

00:23:59.000 But it was three minutes where Floyd was unresponsive.

00:24:03.000 What should he have done, and what was he doing, and what are the real questions we're trying to ask?

00:24:07.000 Ultimately, I'm not sure prison solves anything.

00:24:09.000 Maybe he gets kicked off the force because they were like, we need people who aren't going to be, they're going to be more attuned to this.

00:24:15.000 But prison time?

00:24:16.000 I mean, I think that's bold.

00:24:19.000 I mean, prison time, it might make some people feel better, but, I mean, let's be real, no matter how this shakes out, which, you know, I think we're all in agreement that it's not going to be what a lot of people wanted, the people seeking retribution want it to be, and, you know, I think they want first-degree murder.

00:24:40.000 But they're already primed now, because as soon as the lesser charges go through, they're going to say, this is yet another instance of the racist system in America being unjust toward black Americans.

00:24:56.000 You know, I'm trying to stave off this creeping nihilism, but you know, there are a lot of instances where I feel like, you know, there's just, you can't, I shouldn't say can't, but I just don't know how you How you walk back from all of this.

00:25:17.000 The optimistic?

00:25:18.000 Well this is, what's funny because I tend to be more pessimistic but I also feel like well if you become demoralized and you become depressed then they, whoever they is, then they win.

00:25:28.000 Right.

00:25:29.000 But then you know I mean I spend a lot of time down in Atlanta now and You know, at my job, which I won't mention because I don't want people to track me down and be crazy, but, you know, it's my job to enforce a dress code.

00:25:44.000 Let's say that. 0.83

00:25:45.000 And so the minute that somebody shows up and they're not in dress code, and they happen to not be white, they immediately jump to, well, you're racist.

00:25:52.000 Even though, and then they're like, what about that person?

00:25:55.000 Oh, you mean that black person wearing a blazer and dress shoes that is in dress code? 1.00

00:26:00.000 Okay, if there are black people inside, then how is it racist that you can't get inside?

00:26:03.000 But that's where people, that's where their mind jumps to immediately.

00:26:06.000 Do they call you racist?

00:26:07.000 Yeah, oh, Uncle Tom, they call me a house negro, except they use the other n-word.

00:26:13.000 You know, it's just the most, one of the guys I work with is South African.

00:26:16.000 I'm like, how much blacker can you get than someone from Africa? 0.78

00:26:20.000 And yet they call him the same kind of things when he's, you know, we're just enforcing these rules. 0.91

00:26:23.000 It's about power.

00:26:24.000 But it's deeper than that, though, because, you know, I think about the average life of a, say, a black kid in America, and, you know, they wake up in the morning, they go to school, and what are their educators telling them?

00:26:35.000 Oh, America is racist. 0.99

00:26:36.000 You know, Civil War, Abe Lincoln, MLK.

00:26:39.000 They, you know, their favorite athletes, their favorite comedians, their favorite musicians, they all have this same sort of message.

00:26:46.000 They go on social media, they watch the news, it's the same message.

00:26:48.000 It's, you know, their relatives, their friends and family are all saying the same things to them. 0.97

00:26:52.000 So this is a constant inundation of this worldview that says that white people are evil, America is racist, and this is generations and generations now. 0.60

00:27:02.000 And, you know, again, in my darker moments, I say, how do you combat that? 0.84

00:27:06.000 You know, and, you know, someone like Someone like me comes along.

00:27:10.000 And here's another irony of it, because when I was a kid, it was the other, you know, people think that I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

00:27:17.000 That is not true at all.

00:27:19.000 But, you know, I grew up in, you know, around working class, you know, sort of more on the poor and poorer end of things.

00:27:26.000 Because of the way I carry myself, the fact that I had the temerity to turn in my homework on time, or at least to try, I was accused of acting white.

00:27:33.000 And now what's happening is that you have this educated class now, this intelligentsia, this bourgeois class or whatever, of white, but also black people who are also saying the same things.

00:27:43.000 about, you know, if you're punctual, if you're disciplined, if you're a rugged individualist,

00:27:48.000 then you're striving for whiteness. If you're looking for financial success or whatever, 0.61

00:27:53.000 then you're striving for whiteness. So now you're getting it from the bottom and from the top as 0.84

00:27:56.000 well. And so I don't know where you, you have to find some way to break out of that and escape

00:28:01.000 from it. And I don't know what those avenues are for people.

00:28:03.000 Have you seen that thing from the Smithsonian? Yes. Before I even explain. Yes. Well, let's,

00:28:08.000 let's break it down for the audience.

00:28:09.000 Please Tim, break it down.

00:28:10.000 Where it's like scheduling is whiteness and like being on time and working hard, saving for the future.

00:28:16.000 I saw that and I thought to myself, for those unfamiliar, like the Smithsonian had this chart where it's like a graphic explaining that, like I said, working hard is considered a trait of being white.

00:28:26.000 I'm like, wow, white supremacists would completely agree.

00:28:28.000 But what I thought when I saw this was, Have they never been to, like, an African country?

00:28:33.000 Like, people have jobs.

00:28:34.000 People have schedules.

00:28:35.000 People work hard.

00:28:36.000 People save for the future.

00:28:37.000 They're racists.

00:28:39.000 They literally think that these countries in Africa that function, that have employees and businesses, and that are predominantly black, don't have schedules? 0.94

00:28:47.000 Don't save money in a bank?

00:28:49.000 Also, you have to imagine that whoever created that poster, I'm sure they had to meet a deadline at some point.

00:28:57.000 They had to be able to compose their sentences properly and make their points.

00:29:04.000 Follow their schedules.

00:29:08.000 I mean, I had an argument with one of my Harlem roommates, actually, and he actually was mad at me.

00:29:14.000 I was talking about striving for financial success.

00:29:16.000 He's like, man, that's just, he reacted, he's like, man, that's just another way of striving for, of trying to be white, man.

00:29:21.000 And I was like, There's a lot of Nigerian and Japanese businessmen, I think, who disagree with that notion.

00:29:28.000 But how sinister is it?

00:29:30.000 How insidious is it that these people who claim to be fighting on my behalf say that anything that you could possibly do to improve your life means that you are not really who you are?

00:29:41.000 You know, it's, it's, it's, and people, and people can't see it because, I mean, that's the power of, I don't know, the, the leftist brand, the Democrat brand, whatever you want to say.

00:29:49.000 But, you know, I mean, I left the Democratic Party two years ago because I began to say, you know what, these people are not, they're not in my corner.

00:29:55.000 They're telling me all these things that are going to lead to a terrible life and a life of of dependency and insecurity, and yet they still want me to vote for the politicians that are pushing forward the same things.

00:30:08.000 I shudder to think of how much money I could have right now if I just decided to say, you know what?

00:30:13.000 Everyone's racist, and I'm a victim.

00:30:15.000 And donate to my PayPal.

00:30:17.000 Exactly.

00:30:18.000 Give me a book deal, or Nike, please give me money.

00:30:22.000 McDonald's, please give me money.

00:30:24.000 This is the funny thing about when they say, like, grifter and all that stuff.

00:30:27.000 It's like, dude, do you, like, you realize the corporations support the leftist narrative.

00:30:33.000 If I wanted a big sponsorship from big brands who paid big bucks and I was really intending on grifting people, I'd just be a leftist.

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:40.000 That's like all of these major brands change all their logos to rainbows and, you know, candy canes and all that stuff.

00:30:45.000 And I'm, I'm sitting here.

00:30:48.000 I'll be honest.

00:30:48.000 It's not like this show is like far right conservative or anything like that, but I just- It's not?

00:30:53.000 I mean, that's the funny thing too.

00:30:59.000 It's like the centrist doesn't exist to any of these people.

00:31:02.000 No, it's funny.

00:31:03.000 So like I have, uh, you know, some descriptions of me say Tim pool has been variously variously described as left-wing and right-wing.

00:31:09.000 It's like, maybe it's because I'm a centrist.

00:31:12.000 I think there are some things conservatives got right.

00:31:16.000 I think they're the ones standing up for free speech for the most part right now.

00:31:19.000 You definitely got conservatives who are pro-cancel culture.

00:31:22.000 They'll say they aren't, but they would want to cancel people if they had the chance for the time being.

00:31:27.000 There are more moderates and conservatives who are saying, hey, don't ban speech.

00:31:31.000 The left, the neoliberal left, for the most part, is anti-speech.

00:31:34.000 Shout out to Jacobin.

00:31:35.000 I know a lot of people aren't fans of them, but for a leftist socialist publication, they've defended free speech for some really abhorrent people, saying, they'll come for us the moment you let them go for them.

00:31:45.000 So I can respect that.

00:31:46.000 I don't care where you are on the spectrum.

00:31:47.000 If we believe in freedom, individuality, you know, self-respect and all that stuff, or like responsibility, I think is an easier way to put it.

00:31:55.000 All of that's kind of going out the window these days.

00:31:57.000 Like the whole idea is that... I guess on the left, you are... It's a really horrible way to live.

00:32:05.000 You are responsible.

00:32:07.000 Let me put it this way.

00:32:08.000 You have to do what the left wants you to do.

00:32:10.000 And if you screw up, it's your fault.

00:32:11.000 You get no benefits for being an individual.

00:32:13.000 You have no right to work.

00:32:15.000 They create villains to keep you in line.

00:32:17.000 But the moment you make a mistake, then you are an individual.

00:32:19.000 Then they do sacrifice you.

00:32:20.000 Then they do come for you.

00:32:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 I was actually attended what they called a salon.

00:32:28.000 This was in New York City.

00:32:30.000 It was hosted by an actor friend of mine.

00:32:33.000 Brilliant guy, excuse me.

00:32:35.000 And he showed this video where this guy explicitly said, people tend to focus too much on the individual.

00:32:43.000 We need to focus more on the collective.

00:32:45.000 And I was like, well, I was very silent during that entire affair.

00:32:51.000 People were like, what do you think, black guy?

00:32:53.000 I'm like, I mean, this is one of those things where you had to walk in.

00:32:55.000 They had these bracelets at the door, and you had to put one bracelet on for each mark of privilege that you had.

00:33:01.000 So if your parents went to college, Wear a bracelet.

00:33:06.000 If you are able to vote, wear this privilege bracelet.

00:33:10.000 You know, if you have a mother and a father, it's just like, there's this, I mean, it's a secular religion, man.

00:33:15.000 There's all these, like, there's self-castigation.

00:33:17.000 It's just, it's so insane to me.

00:33:21.000 I took the privilege test and I scored very, very poorly.

00:33:23.000 Oh, I'm sorry, Tim.

00:33:24.000 Very poorly.

00:33:25.000 Yeah, so it's like, it asks you a lot of questions.

00:33:29.000 Are you religious?

00:33:30.000 You know, are you white?

00:33:31.000 Are you male?

00:33:31.000 It's like, what's your gender?

00:33:32.000 What's your race?

00:33:33.000 What's your religion?

00:33:34.000 What was your family's income level?

00:33:35.000 And all of these things.

00:33:36.000 Have you ever been a victim of this, a victim of that?

00:33:38.000 And I'm going through it and it was like, it's like, you are very underprivileged or whatever.

00:33:42.000 And I was like, I never knew that.

00:33:44.000 I never knew that.

00:33:45.000 Like, I guess I understood growing up we weren't rich, but it never mattered.

00:33:50.000 Also, what is the right amount of privilege?

00:33:53.000 You notice nobody ever really dictates or quantifies what that is.

00:33:56.000 You're overprivileged or you're underprivileged.

00:33:58.000 But what is the perfect amount of privilege that we're allowed to have?

00:34:03.000 I don't know because I know- You can't quantify it!

00:34:05.000 That's the problem!

00:34:05.000 I know people that were born in pretty much the same situation to me.

00:34:08.000 Strong family and part of like, they looked like their surroundings.

00:34:12.000 So like they had that familiarity bias.

00:34:14.000 I don't even think it's a racial thing.

00:34:15.000 I think it's like if you're familiar with your surroundings, you know.

00:34:18.000 Someone looks like me in a- Brett Weinstein basically says this.

00:34:20.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:34:21.000 And but they're like losers. 0.99

00:34:23.000 No offense to you guys, if you can hear me out there and you know who you are. 0.98

00:34:26.000 But they never made much of themselves.

00:34:28.000 But they had that.

00:34:29.000 They still had that privilege.

00:34:31.000 And then I know people that I had to.

00:34:32.000 I was a huge nerd.

00:34:33.000 I mean, look at me.

00:34:34.000 I was like pushed around in school.

00:34:36.000 I would talk like this in school and people be like, you're.

00:34:39.000 Get out of my, you know. 0.98

00:34:40.000 Weirdo, nerd.

00:34:41.000 It was hard, but I had some privilege, but you have to strive to make something yourself regardless of what kind of privilege.

00:34:48.000 So the privilege is not gonna give you the success.

00:34:51.000 You have to take that.

00:34:52.000 You know, I realized something interesting.

00:34:54.000 I was talking to a friend of mine, this guy I know, and he said that he was shocked.

00:34:58.000 He said, it's shocking that we don't teach Juneteenth in schools.

00:35:03.000 And I said, bro, they taught me Juneteenth in school.

00:35:07.000 I think the issue is your school didn't teach you Juneteenth.

00:35:11.000 So I don't know where you went to school in the city.

00:35:14.000 Yeah, we talked about it.

00:35:16.000 I'm not going to pretend like the school celebrated or anything, but I remember like opening up the book and then reading about, you know, this history.

00:35:23.000 And I think the issue was like where he grew up in his community.

00:35:27.000 Perhaps his community didn't, like there's certain stories and certain things they didn't think were as relevant, so they ignore them.

00:35:34.000 It's not like you're going to teach literally every child, every grade school kid about every bit of history.

00:35:38.000 And I thought it was interesting that he said that because I was like, first of all, it shows you that your experience is, you think your experience is the world's experience.

00:35:45.000 You think because they didn't teach you that I wasn't taught or other schools don't.

00:35:49.000 That's just you, man.

00:35:51.000 And it's, it's, it's really funny.

00:35:52.000 Cause, uh, I don't know if you're familiar with Ryan Long, the comedian.

00:35:55.000 I know who he is, but I'm not... He's got a new bit, and it's brilliant, where it's basically a therapist telling the woman, no matter what she does wrong, she should tell the world to change instead of her.

00:36:04.000 So he's like, when she's like, you know, I can't seem to find a good guy, he's like, have you considered writing an article telling men what they can do better?

00:36:10.000 But it's a good point, because when I hear people say like, why aren't schools teaching this?

00:36:15.000 I'm like, bro, they do.

00:36:16.000 Not all of them, and not yours.

00:36:18.000 So maybe there's an argument, but then why don't we teach the Holodomor?

00:36:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:22.000 Like, you choose what you think matters to you.

00:36:24.000 See the problem?

00:36:25.000 I'm not here to disrespect anybody's struggles or plights.

00:36:28.000 And I also don't know what history is more important based on privilege.

00:36:33.000 Is the Holodomor ignored because it was white people? 0.65

00:36:35.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:36:36.000 The Coalition of Communities of Color said that Slavs, Slavic people, are people of color now.

00:36:41.000 So does that mean that we are ignoring a genocide of people of color in the Holodomor by not teaching this to grade school children?

00:36:49.000 Or does it make sense because Juneteenth is literally an American holiday in 47 states, and it should be more prominent in this country?

00:36:57.000 These are just conversations.

00:36:58.000 I'll work backwards.

00:37:00.000 So we were talking before we came on air.

00:37:02.000 I'm binging a lot of Thomas Sowell right now, and he goes in on what he calls intellectuals,

00:37:07.000 the intelligentsia, and how they—and visions of the world.

00:37:12.000 You know, I think everyone should read A Conflict of Visions to sort of get a grasp on—it's

00:37:17.000 Sowell's attempt to highlight the roots of the ideological fissures of our time.

00:37:24.000 And he talks about the intelligentsia in terms of journalism and journalists and how they tend to filter out facts that are inconvenient to their own vision.

00:37:34.000 So, you know, why don't we teach the Holodomor? 0.84

00:37:36.000 Well, it's inconvenient to the leftist vision of the world, you know.

00:37:39.000 And Juneteenth isn't, so they're bringing it up now.

00:37:41.000 And then talking about Who, you know, they're not teaching this in schools.

00:37:46.000 I mean, I remember there was some tweet about... People like to forget about Emmett Till.

00:37:52.000 I'm like, who has not been told about Emmett Till?

00:37:56.000 Everyone knows who Emmett Till is.

00:37:57.000 I don't know who is not teaching that.

00:38:00.000 But again, it's like, you know... Who is he?

00:38:02.000 Are you serious?

00:38:03.000 No, see, this is a good point, though.

00:38:05.000 Wow.

00:38:05.000 So Emmett Till was this kid who, basically, he was accused of whistling at a white woman.

00:38:12.000 This was back in the 50s, I want to say. 0.98

00:38:14.000 And he got the crap beat out of him. 0.92

00:38:16.000 You can find pictures online of his corpse. 0.97

00:38:18.000 It's beaten beyond recognition.

00:38:20.000 They beat him.

00:38:22.000 They threw him in a body of water.

00:38:23.000 I mean, it was awful.

00:38:24.000 It was horrible.

00:38:25.000 But every person I've met, except for Ian apparently, knows that story.

00:38:31.000 But this idea that we're not teaching this is wrong.

00:38:33.000 Last thing I want to say, just working back a little bit, is that Juneteenth, June should be Black History Month. 0.91

00:38:38.000 The one stereotype that I will accept about black folks is that we do not like the cold.

00:38:44.000 They gave us the shortest, coldest month to celebrate our history.

00:38:49.000 Why is that? 0.94

00:38:50.000 That's just ridiculous to me. 0.92

00:38:52.000 But even better, when you said June should be Black History Month, I'm like, that is the month of Juneteenth. 0.95

00:38:56.000 Exactly.

00:38:57.000 It makes sense.

00:38:58.000 I'm launching a campaign right now.

00:39:00.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:39:00.000 Can you guys briefly, and forgive my ignorance, explain Juneteenth and the Hold'em War?

00:39:05.000 Can you explain those really quick?

00:39:07.000 Oh, God.

00:39:07.000 Holodomor, basically, Stalin, lots of policies that led to starvation of millions of Ukrainians.

00:39:14.000 The New York Times, famously, under a journalist named Walter Durante, who has an award named for him, and this guy later won a Pulitzer Prize, which the New York Times has not rescinded.

00:39:24.000 Wow.

00:39:25.000 He deliberately filtered out, as I said before, the information about the Holodomor.

00:39:30.000 And meanwhile, there was another British journalist, and I...

00:39:33.000 I wish I remembered his name, but he was actually reporting what was going on, and he got smeared and impoverished.

00:39:39.000 Long story short, Holodomor was a genocide of Ukrainians. 0.62

00:39:42.000 The Soviet Union took all their food away from them, basically, and they all just started starving to death.

00:39:47.000 It's brutal.

00:39:48.000 Horrific.

00:39:48.000 Juneteenth, I've heard a lot about it, but I would love for some clarification.

00:39:52.000 Oh, I don't remember what it is.

00:39:54.000 It's like the Emancipation... It's the June 19th, the celebration of the day, I think, I could be wrong, the day the Union marched in Texas and enforced the end of slavery officially.

00:40:06.000 It was like the last person who was still enslaved got like, finally... And there's a move to make it a national holiday?

00:40:12.000 So interestingly, in more recent times, 47 states already have it as a holiday.

00:40:18.000 And I got to be honest, I think we should absolutely as a nation celebrate Juneteenth.

00:40:23.000 I really do.

00:40:24.000 It's a significant event.

00:40:25.000 It's Independence Day, man.

00:40:26.000 And I've heard the leftists talk about how it's like they, you know, we finally said this is the end of slavery.

00:40:31.000 And I'm like, dude, absolutely.

00:40:33.000 Like, it's a horrible thing.

00:40:35.000 And I'm all about, you know, more celebrations for America and the things we've done right.

00:40:38.000 So the 4th of July, I'm down.

00:40:40.000 You mean I get another one a month before to celebrate?

00:40:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:40:45.000 Do you know how much barbecuing is gonna happen if we put Black History Month in June? 0.97

00:40:50.000 Alright, man.

00:40:51.000 Come on, man.

00:40:52.000 Just make it happen.

00:40:54.000 Kamala, make it happen. 0.99

00:40:56.000 I'll tell you the issue I take with a lot of the critical race theory, a lot of the leftist approach to things is like, I did an hour-long documentary on Ferguson and Pruitt-Igoe and public housing and the racial covenants of St.

00:41:09.000 Louis.

00:41:10.000 Systemic racism, institutional racism.

00:41:12.000 And you know, when I sit down with conservatives and Trump supporters and actually have conversations as like human beings sitting down together to have discussions, we actually come to an understanding of each other's views and politics and understandings.

00:41:24.000 And if there's something like Ian wasn't familiar with Juneteenth, I'm not gonna pretend to be the expert.

00:41:28.000 I probably got some of it wrong, but I'll just be like, oh, so it's basically this.

00:41:31.000 So when I talk to conservatives, treating them as humans and good people who just, you know, maybe don't understand, Then all of a sudden they're like, oh, I didn't know that.

00:41:40.000 That's interesting.

00:41:40.000 Like surprise, surprise.

00:41:41.000 When you actually sit down with someone, have a conversation with them, they'll be like, oh, they may still be like, well, I disagree with these particular points.

00:41:47.000 So the issue I take is we just basically said on this show, Juneteenth should be a national holiday.

00:41:51.000 We should have tons of barbecuing. 1.00

00:41:53.000 And the problem with a lot of the mainstream left is that they need the conflict.

00:41:58.000 Like when you mentioned your roommate who said, you know, you know, you're just trying to like act white or whatever that was.

00:42:03.000 It's like they've, they've created the villain.

00:42:05.000 That those of us who are fighting for civil rights and have for a long time in social justice are trying to do away with this idea that people are villains based on race.

00:42:13.000 We want to be like, no, no, no, people are villains because they're bad people with bad ideas and they want to hurt you.

00:42:17.000 But there are good people of all different races and there are bad people of all different races. 1.00

00:42:21.000 But I think the people who want power in politics, and sometimes it's Republicans.

00:42:25.000 I think Republicans have a lot of faults.

00:42:27.000 But Democrats absolutely love using race as a wedge to drive a push for power.

00:42:33.000 And I'll give you a really good example.

00:42:35.000 They complain the Republican Party is too white. 0.94

00:42:37.000 It's a bunch of white men, they say. 0.98

00:42:39.000 And then when the RNC had several prominent black conservatives, they insulted them and called them all the awful racial slurs.

00:42:47.000 And I'm like, So you ask them to do better?

00:42:49.000 The Republicans were like, absolutely, you're right.

00:42:52.000 And then you insulted the people who spoke?

00:42:54.000 Like, dude, I can complain about Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham and the weak Republicans.

00:43:00.000 The phrase Republican leadership is an oxymoron.

00:43:03.000 I think everybody who watches know I say this all the time.

00:43:05.000 The Democrats are something else.

00:43:06.000 You know, I grew up in Chicago and I feel Mm-hmm.

00:43:09.000 It's probably one of the reasons why I have a bias very much so against Democrats.

00:43:12.000 I think it should be obvious to anybody.

00:43:14.000 So I grew up in a Democrat run city.

00:43:15.000 I was personally screwed over by Democrats as somebody who was, you know, essentially

00:43:20.000 a liberal living in the city.

00:43:21.000 Republicans didn't affect me in any way.

00:43:23.000 I watched Mitch McConnell and what does he do?

00:43:25.000 He goes, slow down there Democrats.

00:43:27.000 And then he obstructs things.

00:43:28.000 I was talking to a Democrat friend and she was just saying, all he does is sit on

00:43:31.000 things and stop things from happening.

00:43:33.000 And I'm like, right.

00:43:33.000 And the Democrats actually do stuff.

00:43:35.000 They do stuff that's either bad for us or they do like, or they don't do what we

00:43:40.000 want to do and they do bad things.

00:43:42.000 I'll put it that way.

00:43:42.000 Like, you get Joe Biden, $2,000 checks, everyone says yes, fine, they agree, and then he doesn't do it, and he goes and bombs Syria instead.

00:43:48.000 And again, I know, you know, Donald Trump, missile strikes, drone strikes, all that bad stuff too.

00:43:53.000 There's a lot to unpack, breaking down all of that stuff.

00:43:56.000 But ultimately, I really do feel like the Democrats are worried if we actually had the conversation where it was like, oh, I don't really care about race or gender and stuff.

00:44:05.000 I think people should be treated respectfully and we should come together and fight for common causes, particularly class issues.

00:44:12.000 Oh, that's bad news for them.

00:44:14.000 Well, I'm convinced that most of us in this country agree on a lot of things.

00:44:20.000 There are some hot-button issues like abortion, for instance, that are just really emotional, and people have very divergent views on that.

00:44:26.000 But I think we agree on more things than we are led to believe.

00:44:30.000 I say all the time, get off of social media, stop watching the news and just start talking to people.

00:44:38.000 When I left New York City, the dystopian wasteland that it's now become, and I went to a city like Atlanta.

00:44:49.000 And, you know, I was so heartened by just talking to people who are not in this progressive bubble, who they have, they're connected to life in a way that people in New York City are just, are just not.

00:44:59.000 And they have concerns that, you know, that New Yorkers just don't, that aren't really, they aren't really privy to.

00:45:06.000 And going back to your point about Democrats, you know, one of the reasons that motivated my deregistering from the party, you know, I mean, as a black person, you're just expected to be a Democrat.

00:45:16.000 But you can't honestly ignore the fact that you have all of these cities that have large black populations.

00:45:26.000 that are afflicted with blight, all kinds of disparities between rich and poor, crime, 0.76

00:45:34.000 and they're run by Democrats.

00:45:35.000 In many instances, they've been run by Democrats for decades, and yet people still keep supporting

00:45:39.000 them.

00:45:40.000 And I got backlash on Twitter when I'm like, well, I'm not going to vote for Democrats

00:45:45.000 They're taking our vote for granted.

00:45:47.000 They piss on your face and they're telling you it's raining. 1.00

00:45:50.000 They do it all the time, and black people just eat it up. 1.00

00:45:53.000 I'm all about black empowerment, but for me, my empowerment is not Not automatically subscribing to any one worldview or any party.

00:46:04.000 It's like, you know, you wanna earn my vote, then earn my vote.

00:46:06.000 Don't just assume that I'm gonna go there and you can just say things and be like, oh, white people, white people, white people!

00:46:11.000 And I'm gonna be like, oh, okay, yeah, I'll just go along with it.

00:46:13.000 I'm just not that guy.

00:46:15.000 I'll tell you what I see a big part of the problem is, right?

00:46:17.000 So you said everyone you've met knows about Emmett Till.

00:46:20.000 Ian didn't.

00:46:21.000 I was talking about my friend who said, you know, I'm surprised people don't teach about Juneteenth.

00:46:24.000 And I'm like, they taught us when we were in school.

00:46:26.000 Yeah.

00:46:26.000 The irony what these people these these progressives and these leftists and many of them I get it good-natured

00:46:30.000 Righteous indignation. Yeah, the problems they're talking about are in Democrat run cities like you mentioned

00:46:36.000 So when you complain about police brutality, you're not talking about rural, Idaho

00:46:40.000 You're talking about New York City when you mentioned stop and frisk New York City when you talk about racially 0.51

00:46:46.000 segregated neighborhoods like redlining That was Chicago the red line. It's the train lines called

00:46:51.000 the red line They called it redlining these things were all happening in

00:46:54.000 cities run by Democrats for like a hundred years So maybe you got issues. I love you.

00:47:00.000 Look, I've been to conservative parts of the South, very racist places.

00:47:03.000 I've been to a lot of them.

00:47:06.000 People have their own worldviews based on where they live.

00:47:10.000 And I think one of the issues is that these progressives live in cities and then they treat the whole country like a city block in Manhattan.

00:47:18.000 And they do it with the media, like the media gets into all the cities.

00:47:22.000 It's even like culture, politics downstream from culture, you know, fantastic concept.

00:47:27.000 They'll go to a bar in Manhattan and then attribute their experience to rural Idaho.

00:47:31.000 And then they'll make a commercial and show it on TV in rural Idaho and start messing with people.

00:47:36.000 And it's so insidious.

00:47:37.000 It's so.

00:47:40.000 Having spent 15 years in New York, I mean, you It's such an enveloping experience and even I have to remind myself that this is just a really unique place to be and not everywhere is like this and not everywhere should be like this and New Yorkers

00:48:05.000 You know, they think they're smarter than everybody else, and they think that everywhere should be like New York.

00:48:08.000 But then when you leave New York, people are like, man, I don't like New York, because I don't care if you're from New York.

00:48:12.000 You know, you Yankee, yada, yada, yada. 0.83

00:48:14.000 They just don't care.

00:48:15.000 Nobody thinks that New Yorkers are as cool as New Yorkers do.

00:48:20.000 Were you in Manhattan?

00:48:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:22.000 People in Manhattan were like, Brooklyn's not New York.

00:48:26.000 Well, but everyone in New York agrees Staten Island isn't New York, even people from Staten Island.

00:48:31.000 But also, there's this... I mean, it's... I've spoken to people, brilliant people, who, you know, they say, for instance, you know, I don't like those flyover country people. 0.99

00:48:38.000 People who have grown up in the lap of affluence and privilege say, I don't like these... But I'm like, dude, as soon as you leave Manhattan, The rest of the state is pretty red.

00:48:48.000 Right.

00:48:48.000 You know, I mean, you can go upstate, you know, and you can find, you can see Trump signs.

00:48:52.000 I mean, you know, maybe even a Confederate flag or two, you know, maybe.

00:48:56.000 Yeah.

00:48:57.000 And it's, so I'm like, dude, you're, you're, you're even... They're bubbles.

00:49:01.000 They're, they're in the bubbles.

00:49:02.000 You're crapping on your own people.

00:49:03.000 They're in bubbles, and the bubbles are actually getting smaller and smaller in physical space, but denser in population.

00:49:10.000 So you go outside New York, even a couple miles, it's red.

00:49:14.000 You start seeing a bunch of Republicans and Trump supporters.

00:49:16.000 And I'll say this too, just in terms of the COVID response, I mean, that in and of itself, I mean, I feel like I have a bit of a unique experience in terms of Having lived in the city at the start of the pandemic, I was one of the people, I mean, I was sanitizing my mail and my groceries back in January and February, man.

00:49:32.000 I was stocking up on food.

00:49:34.000 I was telling my friends and family.

00:49:35.000 I still have nitrile gloves left over from when I stocked up on supplies.

00:49:40.000 Someone on Twitter was like, so that means you robbed medical professionals of like much needed gear.

00:49:45.000 I was like, oh my God.

00:49:46.000 That's what they were saying back then, man.

00:49:49.000 Don't wear masks, they said.

00:49:50.000 That's crazy.

00:49:51.000 Yeah, thanks, Sergeant General.

00:49:52.000 But then when you go to a place like Atlanta, where it's way more relaxed, and then you come back to New York.

00:49:58.000 I mean, New York right now... I mean, I'm in this chat group on Twitter, and it's a lot of lefties and liberals who are against the lockdown measures.

00:50:07.000 And a lot of us are in New York.

00:50:09.000 A lot of us met up in New York last time I was there.

00:50:12.000 And I'm, you know, if you live in New York City, you are inundated every moment of your life.

00:50:18.000 Once you leave your apartment, your shoebox with, you know, there's arrows on the ground telling you where to walk.

00:50:24.000 There's little circles telling you where to stand, you know, inside and outside.

00:50:28.000 There's advertisements everywhere telling you to wear your mask.

00:50:30.000 There's train announcements.

00:50:32.000 There's digital advertising.

00:50:34.000 It's everywhere.

00:50:36.000 Get your vaccine.

00:50:37.000 Stay away from each other.

00:50:38.000 Mask up.

00:50:38.000 Don't wear it underneath your nose.

00:50:40.000 I mean, it's just constant.

00:50:41.000 It's constant.

00:50:42.000 It's constant.

00:50:42.000 Then you go to Atlanta, and I make this point on Twitter.

00:50:45.000 You can go get a lap dance in Atlanta right now, and no one cares.

00:50:50.000 I mean, I work at a nightclub down there.

00:50:52.000 No one's wearing masks inside because they want to get out and party.

00:50:55.000 It's not that they don't care.

00:50:56.000 It's just that It's just a whole different vibe.

00:51:00.000 Then you come to New York and everyone is walking around outside with their masks on and they're afraid and they're not socializing.

00:51:07.000 It's a totally different world, but they don't know it because they're in this bubble in New York.

00:51:11.000 And they watch the news all the time and they just don't know.

00:51:15.000 In response to Texas opening up, you get Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann saying, take the vaccines away from Texas. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Everyone should die. 0.89

00:51:24.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:51:25.000 And it's like, dude, you realize just a little bit less than half of Texas votes Democrat.

00:51:29.000 It was very close between, you know, was it Beto and Ted Cruz?

00:51:33.000 It was pretty close.

00:51:36.000 And so a bunch of even leftists and Democrats were like, guys, Please.

00:51:41.000 There are Democrats who live in Texas.

00:51:42.000 You don't want any of them to die.

00:51:43.000 And they were like, there was one tweet from this guy and he was like, furthermore, Republicans shouldn't die either simply because they voted for a Republican.

00:51:49.000 That's insane that these prominent progressives say this, but look at, you know, look at who these people are.

00:51:54.000 Limousine liberal Keith Olbermann and Michael, you know, Michael Moore.

00:51:57.000 They live in the, the bosom of wealth in ultra liberal cities.

00:52:02.000 I don't exactly know where they're living right now, but they're totally in this weird bubble surrounded by other weirdos who think this is popular opinion.

00:52:10.000 And even regular, like even media Democrats who have all of their biases, we always complain about them.

00:52:15.000 We're like, dude, dude, dude, come on.

00:52:16.000 Like we don't want Republicans to die from the virus.

00:52:19.000 We can complain about the governor and stuff, but like Florida has been open the whole time.

00:52:23.000 And I'm like, here, here, dude.

00:52:24.000 Like I agree, man.

00:52:26.000 I think it's just.

00:52:27.000 One of the problems is that you have personalities like this, like Olbermann, like Moore, who... It's the definition of a grifter, you know what I mean?

00:52:37.000 They love to point the fingers in my direction, and I'm like, dude, I'll just say whatever I feel like saying.

00:52:41.000 Michael Moore trying to rile people up to the point where he actually says, take the vaccines away, or maybe they shouldn't have vaccines, and Keith Olbermann saying they shouldn't have vaccines.

00:52:50.000 I'm like, Not even leftists were saying that because you actually have people on the left who have opinions.

00:52:57.000 I disagree with some of their opinions.

00:52:58.000 I agree with some of their opinions.

00:52:59.000 And I think many of them genuinely believe what they believe.

00:53:02.000 But I look at people like Olbermann or Moore when they say stuff like that, I'm like, they don't believe any of this.

00:53:07.000 They're just saying what they think will rile up enough people to get a bunch of retweets and it worked.

00:53:11.000 They're part of the quote-unquote intelligentsia.

00:53:14.000 And you know, I also notice a trend among a lot of these people.

00:53:17.000 I mean, I often say that Twitter is a place where you can get away with saying things that would get you punched in the face in real life.

00:53:24.000 And a lot of these so-called radicals or whatever, there's a guy that I follow.

00:53:30.000 I follow him explicitly because I disagree with him so vehemently.

00:53:33.000 He's a socialist.

00:53:33.000 I'm not going to say what his name is.

00:53:36.000 You know, he's tweeting the most overheated, hyperbolic, melodramatic rhetoric about, you know, we have to overthrow the capitalistic system. 0.60

00:53:45.000 And, you know, every time there's a black person holiday, he's like, you know, Malcolm X. And then you watch a video, you know, and he's just the most, I mean, how, I mean, I don't know how to describe it, but, you know, he just, he sounds like this.

00:53:55.000 And I'm like, of course you sound like that.

00:53:57.000 Because when it, when, when, when the revolution goes down, you ain't going to be nowhere to be found.

00:54:03.000 He's going to be one of those people who's going to have a gun and be like, Oh, I don't, I don't know what to do with this.

00:54:09.000 And Oh, people are punching people.

00:54:10.000 Like, I don't know what to do.

00:54:11.000 It's the, it's the softest people who have the most S to talk.

00:54:14.000 It's like every time.

00:54:16.000 You know, like I've been, I've been getting more, I became more of a gun person in the past year because of most, because of the riots.

00:54:21.000 Yes, you have.

00:54:23.000 I'm finding bullets just randomly around the house, by the way.

00:54:25.000 It's, it's actually pretty hilarious.

00:54:26.000 Well, they're not, it's not random.

00:54:28.000 It's not random.

00:54:30.000 It is strategic.

00:54:32.000 But I won't get into too much detail because, you know, security at the house and everything like that, but it isn't random.

00:54:37.000 And I started, you know, going to the range, we mentioned this earlier in the show, like, give someone a handgun who's never fired before, man, will they not be able to make it work?

00:54:46.000 And so the people who, there's a lot of new gun owners, a lot of liberals went out and bought guns, and I hope, hope, hope, hope, any of you listening who are new gun owners, you go take some classes.

00:54:58.000 You go to a local range, you ask people to give you all the tips in the world, because you need the respect.

00:55:05.000 You know, like what it means to be well-versed in the rules, the safety, how to actually shoot.

00:55:11.000 When the revolution comes, a lot of these people who are, you know, on the left, they're not going to know how to operate a gun at all.

00:55:17.000 And so there's a joke where a lot of conservatives say this.

00:55:21.000 They were like, I can't remember exactly what the joke is.

00:55:24.000 I'm sure people listening will know it, but it's something like, Thank you to all of the liberals who are buying supplies.

00:55:31.000 You're collecting them for the people who own guns, which is like the conservatives.

00:55:34.000 Because when it really comes down to it, what are you going to do when people are getting violent?

00:55:41.000 It's the craziest thing when I have these conversations with people and they don't think anything bad is happening because we are truly frogs in a pot boiling.

00:55:48.000 I hear a lot of people saying like, Tim, you were scaremongering about civil war or whatever.

00:55:51.000 And I was like, yeah.

00:55:52.000 And then like 800 people stormed into the U.S.

00:55:54.000 Capitol building, I guess.

00:55:56.000 Was I wrong?

00:55:57.000 Like, I didn't say the apocalypse was going to happen and, like, we were going to see meteors fall from the sky and the whole planet was going to blow up.

00:56:02.000 I said people are going to start escalating the violence and the tensions, and it's literally happening.

00:56:06.000 And I don't see any reason why it would stop at this point because they're still just ramping things up.

00:56:10.000 Kind of like a global civil war.

00:56:12.000 This fifth, I was going to call it fifth dimensional, fifth generational war. 0.95

00:56:15.000 But it doesn't have to be one country.

00:56:18.000 Yeah, but it's like a civil world war.

00:56:19.000 Like, it's an economic world war or a political world war right now.

00:56:24.000 It's a weird time of upheaval.

00:56:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:56:27.000 It's very, very... It's weird.

00:56:28.000 It's unique.

00:56:29.000 And I think that's the issue, too, is too much... We have that saying, right?

00:56:33.000 Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it. 0.95

00:56:35.000 Well, there should be another saying where it's like, those who think the future will be based on the past 100% are fools. 0.96

00:56:43.000 I don't know. 0.89

00:56:43.000 It's not a good quote. 0.89

00:56:44.000 But you get the idea, right?

00:56:46.000 You can't look at 1860s and be like, that's going to happen today.

00:56:51.000 It's like, what are you talking about?

00:56:52.000 We have phones.

00:56:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:56:53.000 Like we have the internet.

00:56:55.000 Artificial intelligence.

00:56:57.000 This is like... Yeah, seriously.

00:56:58.000 And nuclear bombs.

00:57:00.000 You know, it's not going to be the same conflict.

00:57:02.000 You know, uh, back in the day, I love talking about this because it's a point a lot of people don't realize.

00:57:07.000 Could you imagine during the civil war, sending a message from DC to like Fort Sumter and you're like, how do we get a message there?

00:57:14.000 Put it on horseback and then it'll be there in a week.

00:57:17.000 Today.

00:57:17.000 It's like, let me just text Jim.

00:57:20.000 Yep.

00:57:20.000 You got the message.

00:57:21.000 All right.

00:57:21.000 They're moving out.

00:57:22.000 It's just like the instant instantaneous transmission of information has changed everything.

00:57:26.000 Totally.

00:57:27.000 So what we experienced is going to be very, very different.

00:57:29.000 It's not going to be, you know, like the past.

00:57:30.000 Yeah, you know, I don't know how things are going to work out.

00:57:34.000 I mean, I am curious.

00:57:37.000 What is his name?

00:57:38.000 Michael Malice, who talks about, you know, all this chaos is actually good because on the other side of it, you know, we're going to come out better for it.

00:57:45.000 And maybe he's right.

00:57:46.000 I mean, maybe that's part of why people like me are popping up because we're saying, you know, more and more of us are saying, like, no, this is not OK.

00:57:54.000 I'm not okay with the way things are going, but at the same time, whatever happens in terms of getting to that place, whatever that proverbial better place might be, I mean, maybe, that actually, now that I think about it, that might be another form of utopianism in a way.

00:58:09.000 It's like, what's on the other side of that?

00:58:11.000 It's no place.

00:58:12.000 You ever watch Star Trek?

00:58:14.000 I watched Next Generation like back in the day.

00:58:16.000 Great show.

00:58:17.000 One of the best shows ever made.

00:58:18.000 One of my all-time favorite shows.

00:58:20.000 And I'm just like, I look at this vision of the future where you've got people of all different race and species.

00:58:27.000 They work together.

00:58:27.000 There's alliances.

00:58:29.000 And I'm just imagining like, This 90s-era liberalism that truly believed in treating people based on the content of their character resulted in this idea.

00:58:40.000 And it wasn't even 90s.

00:58:40.000 I mean, you go back to the original Star Trek, and they had the first interracial kiss with Uhura, I think.

00:58:45.000 Right.

00:58:45.000 Uhura?

00:58:46.000 Uhura.

00:58:47.000 Wrong one! 0.93

00:58:48.000 Sorry, oh no!

00:58:49.000 They're all gonna come after me now, the Trekkies.

00:58:51.000 But so, so it was always fairly progressive.

00:58:53.000 And then in the nineties, it brings about this, this, this vision of a future where people are all getting along and judging people on the content of their character.

00:59:00.000 Could you imagine?

00:59:02.000 Star Trek today, where it's like an alien race comes in.

00:59:05.000 They're like, how many arms you have?

00:59:06.000 Okay.

00:59:07.000 You have no arm privilege, but you are psychical.

00:59:09.000 You have psychic privilege.

00:59:10.000 And it's like a show based on that worldview would just be, it would just be like the most painfully dystopian nightmare.

00:59:18.000 Not a good idea for a future.

00:59:19.000 I like this idea where we're all just like.

00:59:21.000 We're gonna get on a spaceship and go to space.

00:59:23.000 I don't care what you look like. 0.81

00:59:24.000 Can you press the button?

00:59:25.000 Great, let's do it.

00:59:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:27.000 I feel like the previous show that you mentioned, however, even though nobody would watch it, I guarantee you would get at least a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes.

00:59:35.000 And be showered with awards.

00:59:37.000 Oh yeah, it would be like 1% audience rating, but like 100% certified fresh.

00:59:40.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:59:42.000 I think we should film a sketch like that, but not be explicit in the comedy of it.

00:59:48.000 Like literally just make Woke Star Trek as like a short three minute little bit, and just see if that happens.

00:59:55.000 Take it seriously.

00:59:56.000 Take it seriously.

00:59:58.000 Yeah, like the captain has to be like a disabled person of color who's non-binary.

01:00:03.000 And, you know, because a privilege is not going to be given to the white male or whatever, and then a certain species comes in and it's like a floating mass, and it has no legs, it has no color, and so they're like, it has no known privilege, you know?

01:00:17.000 That would be excellent.

01:00:18.000 I think the captain should be Oh gosh. 1.00

01:00:24.000 It should be a fat, black, transgendered, paraplegic in a hijab. 1.00

01:00:29.000 That should be the captain of this Star Trek series. 0.99

01:00:32.000 Well, I think, you know, taking it seriously, all of the cultures and everything of the United States of the world coming together.

01:00:42.000 And I think that's actually a legitimate depiction of a future captain.

01:00:47.000 I think that's like the vision they have for it.

01:00:49.000 You know, South Park did it as a bunch of olive-skinned bald people who went, future people.

01:00:55.000 Well, let's do this.

01:00:57.000 We skipped over Cuomo, basically, but it's fine because that conversation was better, in my opinion.

01:01:03.000 We gotta do this story, though.

01:01:04.000 We have to.

01:01:05.000 From USA Today.

01:01:08.000 I can't read this quote.

01:01:12.000 I'm gonna break the quote up so that no one claims it came from me.

01:01:17.000 Women belong, and this is Burger King, in the kitchen. 1.00

01:01:20.000 And that's what Burger King said, alright?

01:01:22.000 Now, I break it up that way because someone's gonna try and pull it out of context and try and make it seem like I'm the one saying that.

01:01:27.000 I do not believe women belong in the kitchen. 1.00

01:01:29.000 I'm actually not.

01:01:30.000 I'm a proponent of women succeeding in the workplace and getting beautiful salaries and, you know, running companies. 0.99

01:01:39.000 More to the point, We can all be proud of the fact that the military-industrial complex is now run by women. 1.00

01:01:46.000 Great strides in blowing up children. 1.00

01:01:49.000 Women are killers too, everyone. 1.00

01:01:51.000 Fantastic. 1.00

01:01:52.000 But to be serious, they can be.

01:01:54.000 You look at how the prison system handles women, and they get less harsher penalties. 1.00

01:01:59.000 They get more lenient sentences than men do. 0.57

01:02:01.000 Absolutely. 0.97

01:02:01.000 No, women can be murderers and criminals and all that really awful stuff too. 0.97

01:02:05.000 They can be warmongers and weapons manufacturers and all that stuff. 0.96

01:02:10.000 And Burger King thought it would be a good idea to claim that they believed women, they believe, belong in the kitchen. 1.00

01:02:18.000 So USA Today writes, Burger King's attempt to highlight gender disparity in the restaurant industry with a provocative tweet appears to have backfired on Monday, which is also international.

01:02:30.000 I'm sorry.

01:02:31.000 On International Women's Day, Burger King tweeted this out.

01:02:36.000 I can't believe it.

01:02:38.000 A bunch of nationalists and pro-Western personalities are saying, like, thank you, Burger King, for saying what needs to be said.

01:02:45.000 This is exactly what women need to understand. 1.00

01:02:47.000 And it's like, oh, jeez.

01:02:49.000 And the left is saying, You know, apparently Burger King is defending themselves.

01:02:53.000 They're like, it was a good tweet that is bringing attention to the issue that only 20% of culinary professionals are women.

01:03:01.000 And then the left is just like, so why did you have to tweet this sentence, which is not in any way conveying the message you think it is?

01:03:11.000 If it had been me, I would have, uh, I would have said that I would have called myself Burger Queen for a day and then maybe that would have been okay.

01:03:22.000 Yeah, that's a good idea.

01:03:24.000 Burger Queen. 1.00

01:03:24.000 Just call her Burger Queen for a day. 1.00

01:03:26.000 That's a good idea.

01:03:27.000 They should hire you for marketing.

01:03:29.000 I don't think they should.

01:03:31.000 But I saw it and I was like this is hilarious and of course my first thought was, you know, We've got to keep it family-friendly.

01:03:40.000 It's so difficult for me, but it's just this idea that, you know, it's like, well, I guess they could be in the kitchen if they truly want to be.

01:03:56.000 What if they're choosing to be in the kitchen?

01:03:59.000 Of course, when I let them out, basically.

01:04:03.000 That's right. Women have been fighting for thousands of years to get out of the kitchen and fight the patriarchy 1.00

01:04:09.000 With a single tweet burger king is trying to put him back in the kitchen. I know I know how dare they know

01:04:14.000 But it's it's even funny too. Like so what burger king is basically saying is that culinary professionals tend to be

01:04:18.000 men and i'm like even even to that regard like is it possibly because we

01:04:23.000 have socialized To the point where we're telling women not to take these

01:04:26.000 jobs and to be professionals and go and work for bigger corporations

01:04:30.000 Like, we have been screaming to our children, you know, particularly young girls, be the CEO.

01:04:37.000 Be the high-powered attorney.

01:04:39.000 Be the executive.

01:04:40.000 And so, I mean, these things have consequences.

01:04:43.000 So now we're 20 years later, and you have a bunch of women who are going to school specifically for jobs that will make them a lot of money and give them a lot of power in corporations, not culinary arts. 1.00

01:04:55.000 I think for a lot of people, working as a chef in the culinary industry, it's very much about a passion for cooking and baking and creating food.

01:05:05.000 And when you take these kids and you tell them, you won't be respected, you won't make money, don't do it.

01:05:10.000 What happens?

01:05:12.000 You get a bunch of people who are like, I'm gonna do what I have fun doing and what I enjoy doing.

01:05:16.000 You have the stigma, for the most part, for young women being told, you have to do more because you won't have respect unless you take these jobs.

01:05:23.000 Men aren't hearing that, so they're like, I love cooking, I'm gonna go cook.

01:05:26.000 Well, it's the strangest phenomenon.

01:05:28.000 I'm at an age now where I see a lot of new mothers and I become disturbed on their behalf because they actually feel guilty that they want to spend more time with their children.

01:05:45.000 And I'm thinking to myself, isn't the whole point of all of this is to provide you with options so that if you choose to, you can stay home.

01:05:52.000 And I think this also speaks to something deeper and it's sort of related to COVID in a way, like the instinct that so many people seem to have to want to stay indoors and stay away from just living their lives.

01:06:08.000 It's this devaluation of life.

01:06:09.000 I mean, my thing is, Yeah, you know, it's great if you have all these degrees and all these accomplishments.

01:06:15.000 But, A, I mean, every new father I've met has said, yeah, you know, I gotta keep working.

01:06:24.000 I wish I could stay home and be with my kids.

01:06:27.000 like they understand the sacrifice that they're making, but I don't find as many

01:06:30.000 women who understand that sort of cost-benefit now. And I wonder if

01:06:35.000 it's because they've been told all their lives that they need to succeed. And I'm

01:06:38.000 thinking to myself, well, we've known, you know, you can't take it with you. You can't

01:06:41.000 take all your degrees and all your money with you, but your children do live on

01:06:44.000 after you. I was doing these Shakespeare sonnets and a lot of them

01:06:49.000 have to deal, have to do with just fertility and carrying on your 1.00

01:06:56.000 legacy and your lineage. And they're very wise. You know, they're these 14-line

01:07:00.000 poems and within each of them, you know, he's addressing, you know, somebody and at

01:07:05.000 least in this first chunk of them he's talking about, you know, well you're young

01:07:08.000 now, but you're not always going to be young.

01:07:12.000 One of the best ones, he says, you know, well, when you are old, if you have children, then your own youth and the joyous time that you had in your youth will be reflected back to you.

01:07:23.000 And your own youth will live forever through the youth of your children.

01:07:26.000 They actually call passing your wealth down to your child's succession.

01:07:30.000 And that's success.

01:07:31.000 I mean, the word success comes when you succeed, you're sending all of your things to the next generation.

01:07:37.000 But even then, it's like, you know, even if we're just talking about material wealth, I mean, what other kinds of wealth are there?

01:07:41.000 You know, your philosophical wealth, your emotional wealth, your ideas, your philosophies on life.

01:07:50.000 These are also things that you can pass down to your children that you can't earn in a workplace or at a university.

01:07:56.000 You know what blows my mind is we hear about this trope where people are on their deathbed and they say, you know, a person on their deathbed never wishes they spent more time at the office.

01:08:04.000 The one thing we always hear is they wish they spent more time with their family and their friends and their loved ones.

01:08:09.000 There's a story I was reading on Reddit a long time ago.

01:08:12.000 It's about a guy who said that his, I think it was his grandmother, showing him photos of him and his, you know, of his uncles and his aunts or whatever at the Grand Canyon or something.

01:08:21.000 And it was just a picture of the Grand Canyon, that was it.

01:08:24.000 And the grandma looked at it and she was like, this is when I was with your aunt and uncle at the Grand Canyon.

01:08:30.000 And then she paused and said, why did I take a picture of the Grand Canyon?

01:08:34.000 I don't care about the Grand Canyon.

01:08:35.000 I care about your uncle and your aunt or whatever.

01:08:39.000 And then he was like, the guy wrote the story.

01:08:41.000 He was saying that was like a profound moment for me where from now on, whenever I do anything, the photos are always of the people I'm with, not the things we've done or the places we've been to.

01:08:50.000 That's peripheral.

01:08:51.000 That's the outside.

01:08:52.000 The memories we have are the people we love and care about.

01:08:54.000 So I'll tell you what really freaks me out, what I'm worried about, when we constantly tell women that they should be career women, that there's a feeling some women have of social stigma.

01:09:06.000 I'm not saying all women.

01:09:07.000 I'm not saying it's something that every woman experiences.

01:09:09.000 But I've seen the conversations from women who are concerned that if they want to be just a homemaker, they'll be in some ways socially inconvenienced or face a detriment. 0.98

01:09:19.000 Like they could get divorced and then how do they, you know, take care of themselves. They won't

01:09:24.000 have respect from their peers.

01:09:25.000 The issue I see is that men don't have the same biological limitation on having kids. You could

01:09:31.000 be a 50 year old man and have kids, but women do have that limitation. 1.00

01:09:36.000 There are ways to mitigate that with, like, freezing eggs and things like that, but that is something men don't experience.

01:09:40.000 So I look at these stories, and I'm wondering if, like, the reason why—perhaps, I don't know, I don't think it's true.

01:09:46.000 I'm just—it's something to consider if people want to make sure they're happy.

01:09:49.000 If maybe the reason why many women aren't in the culinary arts is because they're being driven towards certain professions. 1.00

01:09:56.000 Men won't be negatively impacted.

01:09:58.000 They can trounce about, waste time, travel Europe, and just do whatever they want because they can choose to have a family at any point.

01:10:05.000 And there are very different realities for women. 1.00

01:10:08.000 Call it the patriarchy.

01:10:09.000 Call it whatever you want.

01:10:10.000 But there are certain privileges to being a man in terms of how much time you have to figure things out.

01:10:16.000 I have so much compassion because I feel like women have a lot of big decisions to make about how they want their lives to be, and they have a limited window in which to make those decisions, and they also need to make those decisions at a time when they don't really have the wisdom, you know what I mean?

01:10:38.000 None of us have the wisdom when we're 22.

01:10:39.000 Or the wealth.

01:10:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:41.000 You could be a 50-year-old guy and have a bunch of money and savings, but now I can afford a kid.

01:10:45.000 Yeah.

01:10:46.000 Yeah.

01:10:47.000 I was thinking regarding restaurant work and what men and women that in my experience they would stuff men in the kitchen and women on the front in the counter because women were beautiful and made people want to buy more and men were could handle the heat and the grease and the steam and it's physically toxic basically.

01:11:04.000 So it might be a kind of job that men's bodies are just because like it's like working in the iron mine like you put the men in the iron mine.

01:11:10.000 Well that's the patriarchy.

01:11:11.000 But it's also biological in a way.

01:11:13.000 I don't know too much about it.

01:11:15.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:15.000 Ian, are you implying that there are differences between men and women?

01:11:18.000 Brett Weinstein.

01:11:19.000 Yes.

01:11:21.000 Genetically, yes.

01:11:22.000 Let's get Brett in trouble whenever we have a... Sorry Brett, I love you.

01:11:27.000 Well, he's a smart fella.

01:11:28.000 So, uh, but I do, I would defer to him because it's like, you know, if, if the experts are saying things, but no, I, I think you're right.

01:11:35.000 It's, it's, it is biological.

01:11:36.000 Why is it that the service industry is, you know, tends to be female. 1.00

01:11:40.000 You go to a restaurant, the serve, the serving staff, it's not always, it's not absolute.

01:11:44.000 There's, there's a ton of guys who are waiters, but you'll tend to see women taking service jobs because men will tip more probably, or at least as the assumption they do. 0.61

01:11:54.000 So, again, at my job, I see this play out every single night.

01:12:00.000 You have these men that show up of any age, really.

01:12:03.000 A lot of them are older.

01:12:05.000 And they're throwing all this money around, and, you know, and I don't judge because I see how the game is played.

01:12:12.000 We have all of these young servers.

01:12:14.000 They're in their early to mid-twenties, and they're beautiful.

01:12:18.000 And they each have their guys come in, and they have these men wrapped around their fingers.

01:12:24.000 Each of these men come in saying, like, yeah, I'm here to see, you know, Tatiana or whatever.

01:12:28.000 And they think that they, you know, that they are special to her for some reason. 0.99

01:12:33.000 Now, these guys, they're kind of scumbags, so they're going off and they're doing whatever they want with other women, too. 0.99

01:12:37.000 But, you know, just what you were talking about, you know, they're making so much money and, you know, using whatever their wiles are. 0.96

01:12:47.000 And also, a lot of these guys come in, they show up Now, I don't know if they're paying for this company, or if they're actually winning this company, you know, but, you know, these guys with money show up with women that are half their age, and it's a really, it's the kind of thing that you read about, and you're like, that doesn't really happen that often, but then you see it unfold, and it's kind of weird, but it's like, I guess I kind of get it, that's just sort of how the game is played, but it's not something that people like to talk about because it's not politically correct.

01:13:11.000 I'm like, well, there's nothing about the interaction between the sexes that is politically correct.

01:13:16.000 Yeah, I can't remember what I was watching, but it was like some movie where there was an old guy who hired a lady of the night, as it were.

01:13:22.000 And he didn't want to hook up with her.

01:13:24.000 He just like hung out with her and talked about his day and his life.

01:13:27.000 And it was basically like the plot line was, he was like 60 years old.

01:13:32.000 He didn't have any friends and he liked, you know, he felt he got good feelings being in the company of a young woman who he could talk about himself and have someone listen to him. 0.93

01:13:42.000 And I'm like, for these guys, you call them scumbags probably, but I don't really see anything all that nefarious or wrong when they show up to this club wanting the attention of these young women and tipping them and giving them money or whatever. 0.91

01:13:53.000 You can argue it's transactional or whatever, but they're getting what they want out of it. 0.98

01:13:57.000 They're getting emotionally satisfied.

01:13:58.000 They're not doing anything illegal.

01:14:00.000 The women are getting, uh, resources for providing that level of like emotional comfort to these guys. 1.00

01:14:07.000 So I'm like, Hey man.

01:14:08.000 And these girls, I mean, look, we have to walk them to their cars at night because, like I said, you know, not the best kind of people that show up to these places sometimes. 1.00

01:14:16.000 But, you know, they're driving nice cars.

01:14:19.000 They live in nice apartments.

01:14:20.000 I'm like, look, you know, do what you can while you got it and, you know, make your money.

01:14:25.000 I hope you, you know, you're studying something else.

01:14:28.000 But again, that's how the game is played and people want to shy away from that.

01:14:33.000 See, this is where the conversation ignites a whole bunch of the gender ideologues. 1.00

01:14:38.000 They get really angry.

01:14:40.000 Because, like we were talking about, women can only have kids for a certain amount of time. 1.00

01:14:44.000 They could freeze their eggs, but there still are, even with freezing eggs, there still are implications for having kids at an older age.

01:14:52.000 And so what happens is, we end up, for a variety of reasons, with the institution of marriage.

01:14:56.000 And, you know, I hear a lot from conservatives, they say that women should... Be in the kitchen. 1.00

01:15:02.000 Get married young.

01:15:03.000 You know, like, I hear a lot from conservatives, they say women should get married young, and the reason conservatives say this is that, as women age, they become less valuable, I suppose.

01:15:13.000 So that's the idea.

01:15:14.000 It's a tough word to use, but yeah.

01:15:15.000 Well, that's like... Look, you look at OkCupid.

01:15:19.000 Well, if you're talking about the sexual marketplace.

01:15:21.000 Right, right, right.

01:15:22.000 The biology of... Trying to be very precise with my language here.

01:15:25.000 Yeah, I think we all are at this point.

01:15:28.000 We talked about it with Jack.

01:15:29.000 OkCupid put out a data set showing that men just message 22-year-olds.

01:15:33.000 You can think it's bad.

01:15:34.000 You can think it's wrong.

01:15:35.000 I personally don't agree.

01:15:37.000 I don't have that preference for being a 50-year-old man.

01:15:40.000 I would not want to be, you know, in a relationship with someone that young.

01:15:43.000 Would prefer someone closer to my age.

01:15:46.000 But that's what the data shows, and you can't make all men change. 0.83

01:15:49.000 Like the Ryan Long sketch, you know?

01:15:51.000 Have you considered writing an article about what men can do better?

01:15:55.000 It's not gonna do anything for you, you know what I mean?

01:15:58.000 So, this is why I think a lot of people would argue that marriage came about this way, because it provided security for the woman.

01:16:06.000 So, they have access to that man who will provide for them.

01:16:09.000 And it's assuming, you know, the woman wants these things. 0.89

01:16:14.000 By all means, women can do whatever they want. 1.00

01:16:15.000 I just think that's one of the reasons it luckily came about.

01:16:19.000 Well, it's funny because then, you know, I encounter women oftentimes. 1.00

01:16:23.000 And, you know, and again, I mean, it's a byproduct of just being a curious person.

01:16:29.000 And when you talk to people and, you know, just non-judgmentally and you ask them questions, you know, and just over the years, I've heard a lot of women say like, you know what?

01:16:37.000 I'm ready to just not go to work anymore and just be kept and not have to worry about paying bills.

01:16:44.000 They would never say that out in public because they would get shrieked at by their friends, but I do think that maybe more women than not kind of feel that way.

01:16:54.000 I have to read this paper, but it's called The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness.

01:17:01.000 I guess you could say their rights and freedoms have expanded over the past few decades.

01:17:07.000 Since the 1970s, they've been self-reporting ever-increasing levels of unhappiness.

01:17:11.000 I think I read somewhere else that about a quarter of women are on some kind of either antidepressant or psych medication or something like that.

01:17:22.000 And, you know, and again, I talk to people and, you know, there's all these stresses and all these things, and they're inundated with this news about how everything's wrong and everything's oppressed and everything.

01:17:32.000 So, you know, I just... I don't think it's... You mentioned, like, freedoms, you know, that women have attained, and then we see this inverse.

01:17:41.000 I don't think that's the correlation.

01:17:42.000 I do think you can say women's rights have expanded, women's access has expanded, but I think social pressures have come along with it.

01:17:49.000 Right.

01:17:49.000 And responsibilities on top of that.

01:17:52.000 So, you know, the way I see it is the higher levels of unhappiness, and, you know, honestly, you could probably pull up the scientific studies and figure out, you know, what the cause of that is.

01:17:58.000 I think freedom contributes to happiness.

01:18:03.000 I think rights contribute to happiness.

01:18:05.000 But then I think social stress and anxiety contribute more so to unhappiness.

01:18:10.000 So I don't know if it's... I wonder if you could look at social pressures and social media and find that it affects men and women fairly equally in different ways.

01:18:21.000 Like, you look at young women in Instagram, and you have these Instagram models that are all touched up with Photoshop and everything, and it's resulting in anxiety, stress, and depression.

01:18:30.000 It's social issues that are causing it.

01:18:33.000 Maybe you could argue that if you took away someone's freedom and they didn't have access to these platforms, then they wouldn't be unhappy with them, but I actually... I don't think that makes sense.

01:18:43.000 I think it's just like, you know, burning down the house because you had, you know, a plumbing problem in the kitchen.

01:18:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:48.000 I think by all means, keep the house, fix the plumbing, find out what the problem is.

01:18:52.000 I think the problem is...

01:18:54.000 With unhappiness in general, be it males or females, is social media.

01:18:58.000 It's creating this pressure to conform to certain things, to say certain things, and then it results in, like we mentioned before, with people like Keith Olbermann saying insane things about taking vaccines away from people in Texas because you don't like their opinions.

01:19:10.000 It results in people advocating for beating others and committing acts of violence because they're increasingly more and more desperate to fit in.

01:19:17.000 We talk a lot about how young women are influenced by Instagram.

01:19:21.000 Oh my god.

01:19:21.000 There was like, apparently cosmetic surgery based on Snapchat filters or something like this

01:19:25.000 because they want to clean their, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:27.000 Yeah, really creepy stuff.

01:19:28.000 Young women who will post a photo on Instagram and then not get enough likes and get really depressed 0.99

01:19:33.000 and start freaking out.

01:19:34.000 It's really negatively impacting these kids.

01:19:36.000 But then how is it affecting men?

01:19:38.000 Because I'm sure it absolutely does.

01:19:40.000 Well, as you were speaking, I was thinking, and I relate this to myself, especially as a former actor.

01:19:47.000 I don't know anymore.

01:19:48.000 But I follow The Rock, for instance, and I love the guy.

01:19:53.000 I'm a huge pro wrestling fan, or at least I was back when it was good.

01:19:56.000 And I think in terms of men, And again, this might lead into sexual dynamics and where people perceive their value to lie, maybe within the sexual marketplace, maybe not.

01:20:09.000 But if we're talking about women using filters and beautifying themselves on these platforms and not feeling beautiful enough in comparison to other women, What about these other accounts with you see these men who

01:20:21.000 are out, you know, I'm starting a business and I have this amount of money

01:20:23.000 I got flashing wads of cash. I got this car. I got this house. I got this and that

01:20:27.000 so I think a lot of guys are looking at that and they're being like

01:20:30.000 That's not me. I mean, I guess I'm just a big just a freaking loser, man 0.99

01:20:34.000 I don't know. I don't got nothing and then you know, I got all these women are commenting on the on on on these posts 0.97

01:20:40.000 and So maybe that's contributing to male unhappiness.

01:20:47.000 The success status, the status comparison is what I'm getting at.

01:20:50.000 Guys not having kids, guys not having relationships, staying home and playing video games all day, not advancing.

01:20:57.000 Look, I don't want to just kind of shift this and dump it all on social media, but I really do think social media is affecting both men and women.

01:21:06.000 It's really the education around it, too.

01:21:08.000 Like you said, it's not the freedom that's destroying them, it's their misuse of it.

01:21:12.000 Because, like, you have the freedom to light your body on fire, but you know not to.

01:21:15.000 And if you knew that it wasn't the filters that made you beautiful, that would help.

01:21:20.000 Some people, you know, look, you got a freedom not to eat a whole ice cream cake from Baskin Robbins, but some people will do it, you know what I mean?

01:21:27.000 And I was also thinking, like, when I would post a video on something of me being like, oh, I feel like crap, two tweets, two retweets, two likes, and then less people would want to follow me.

01:21:37.000 I post a picture of me on a boat with a bunch of beautiful women. 0.99

01:21:40.000 Everybody wants to be my friend!

01:21:42.000 Take a look at this, what you were saying about these guys.

01:21:45.000 Casey Neistat, you familiar with Casey?

01:21:48.000 He's like the godfather of vlogging on YouTube.

01:21:50.000 Look at his biggest videos with 50 million views.

01:21:53.000 What is it?

01:21:54.000 I'm in a luxury first class $20,000 airplane ticket, you know, mini hotel in a plane.

01:22:00.000 It's a lot of his biggest stuff was flaunting extreme wealth and status.

01:22:04.000 And I'm not saying it disparaged him in any way.

01:22:06.000 I'm not saying he did it on purpose.

01:22:07.000 I'm saying, you know, he did a video vlog where he was flying on an Emirates flight.

01:22:13.000 It's like a $20,000 ticket.

01:22:15.000 And they give you a room.

01:22:16.000 And apparently there's like a shower in it or something.

01:22:18.000 Like, it's really crazy.

01:22:19.000 I don't know if that was his video, but his video was like, he has this little room he's in.

01:22:23.000 And it gets like 50 million views because people want to see that status.

01:22:27.000 It's why we had shows like Lifestyle, The Rich and Famous and Cribs.

01:22:31.000 So very much so, as we've entered the space where you now control your own media outlet, everybody's a public figure.

01:22:39.000 For some reason, and by all means, the feminists can tell me why this is happening, women have started to focus specifically around beautification, getting likes for their appearance and their bodies. 1.00

01:22:50.000 Maybe it's a bad thing and they shouldn't do it.

01:22:52.000 By all means, feminists can tell me, you know, comment below and say they shouldn't. 1.00

01:22:55.000 I'm not asserting my opinion, I'm just saying it's happening.

01:22:57.000 Well there's also you know it's the question of power and you know and again I go back to you know my job and it's kind of funny there's a comedian named Patrice O'Neill who unfortunately passed away many years ago from complications of diabetes but you know he talks about how he said he said I wish I could just walk around for one day as a beautiful woman because he talks about how you know they They could be the plainest person just to have nothing going on for them, but if they look good, they can walk around as if they're celebrities.

01:23:25.000 And so, again, I'm at this job, and I see it every day.

01:23:27.000 There is so much, and it's strange.

01:23:32.000 I mean, the same thing.

01:23:33.000 I try to watch my words because I know that I will also get heat from gender activists and feminists. 1.00

01:23:39.000 to deny the power the raw power of a of a beautiful woman and the effect that it has on a man I mean and even other women say like oh she's so pretty you know what do you do it's there is something about that I don't even know if I can put it into words or articulate it but it definitely has an effect you can be you know I mean I don't consider myself somebody who I I guess by the nature of my profession, I'm used to being around beautiful women, so it's demystified for me, and in a way it's made me even more choosy as far as who I choose to date, because I'm like, okay, well, I see all of that, but, you know, what's inside?

01:24:14.000 What's going on up here?

01:24:15.000 What's going on in here?

01:24:17.000 But I just, even I sometimes it's like, so hey, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, The Shakespeare play.

01:24:42.000 That's sort of what it's about.

01:24:43.000 You see this powerful man, this general, this warrior, and Cleopatra's at home and she has him wrapped around her finger.

01:24:50.000 It's amazing.

01:24:51.000 Do you have any male heroes or people you look up to, like you're a big fan of?

01:24:57.000 I have a few.

01:24:58.000 Do you ever meet them?

01:25:00.000 Well, a lot of them are dead, but one right now that I like a lot is actually Malcolm X, which I think might surprise a lot of people, given my viewpoints.

01:25:11.000 I mean, I'm sure people who follow him would call me an Uncle Tom and all those other things.

01:25:15.000 But the thing about it, in his autobiography, in the epilogue or the afterword to it, the actor Ossie Davis, who's no longer with us, unfortunately, He made the point that Malcolm taught us how to be a man when we were not allowed to be men.

01:25:28.000 And there's this clip of this press conference that he gave after his journey to Mecca.

01:25:35.000 And he was asked about bringing the case of racial discrimination and oppression of black

01:25:43.000 Americans to the United Nations.

01:25:46.000 And he said, Malcolm said, I'm going to paraphrase, but he said, you know, I would not be a man

01:25:51.000 if I did not, you know, pursue this action.

01:25:53.000 And he repeated that.

01:25:54.000 He said, I just, if I didn't bring this case up to the UN, I would not be a man.

01:25:58.000 And so for me, you know, even though the concept of maleness is consistently derided now, I

01:26:08.000 think there is a true power in being able to say, this is what I'm standing for.

01:26:13.000 This is what I believe in.

01:26:14.000 And I'm willing to put my life on the line to say this.

01:26:17.000 And, you know, it's one of the things that inspires me to keep on running my mouth right now.

01:26:21.000 It's like, you know, if I don't say something about this, then I would not be a man, whatever that means.

01:26:26.000 Or a human.

01:26:29.000 Before we go too far, the reason I asked is you're talking about how you meet this woman and you get tongue-tied.

01:26:36.000 I started thinking about this a while ago.

01:26:38.000 When they talk about what the average male or female finds attractive, it's like guys want young, beautiful women and there's a variety of physical features that men are attracted to.

01:26:47.000 The OkCupid data showed that it's like 22-year-old women almost exclusively. 1.00

01:26:52.000 No matter how old the guy gets, he always goes for 22-year-olds.

01:26:56.000 Falling all over, yeah.

01:26:56.000 Okay, well, will they say like what do they say about what makes women, you know attracted to a man confidence

01:27:01.000 charisma and status?

01:27:02.000 And I'm like so is there so you mentioned that like a woman could have a woman could have nothing going on for but just 0.89

01:27:07.000 be Beautiful and then guys are like fawning all over all over.

01:27:10.000 Yeah, and I was like so then what's the male equivalent of this high societal value?

01:27:15.000 And it's status notoriety and fame and I'm like so then I wonder if there are similarities between

01:27:22.000 You know guys who look at women and they're like whoo and guys who look at a celebrity or famous individual and yell

01:27:27.000 at them Not sexual advances, obviously, which definitely gives guys a bit of that privilege, because, you know, I'm sure a lot of it's disgusting.

01:27:35.000 But when you're a guy walking down the street and you have a bunch of people, like, hollering at you and yelling at you, like, yo, yo, can I get a picture?

01:27:39.000 I'm a big fan.

01:27:41.000 It's not identical, but there's a similarity there in this is what society values in men.

01:27:45.000 This is what society values in women. 1.00

01:27:47.000 Interestingly enough, though, women will still get it worse when they're famous and beautiful because now everybody's yelling at you because you're famous and they're yelling at you because you're beautiful. 0.98

01:27:55.000 So it's an interesting dynamic.

01:27:56.000 And the reason I asked about male heroes is I was wondering, do you think you would get tongue tied if you came across a male, you know, hero of yours who you looked up to and was inspired by?

01:28:06.000 Probably.

01:28:07.000 There's an idea I was wondering about.

01:28:10.000 In the film Malcolm X, Denzel Washington, he was so unbelievable in this role.

01:28:15.000 To this day, when I see a picture of the real Malcolm, I see both men.

01:28:19.000 There's a scene in the film where Malcolm meets Elijah Muhammad.

01:28:24.000 And Denzel plays it so beautifully.

01:28:26.000 He has his head down and you see tears start streaming down his face.

01:28:31.000 This is a man who spent his time in prison, educating himself, learning how to speak.

01:28:35.000 This dude was a former pimp.

01:28:37.000 You know, he goes into detail in his autobiography about how he learned the street slang, you know, and so he knows how to talk to people.

01:28:46.000 And yet in this, at least as depicted in this movie, He meets his idol and he can't say anything.

01:28:54.000 He just starts crying.

01:28:55.000 It's such a powerful, beautiful moment.

01:28:58.000 I will say, I did get to meet Harry Belafonte.

01:29:05.000 That is somebody that I said, you know, I wonder what I would say to him if I ever met him.

01:29:11.000 And I did a show off-Broadway where he played, it was a play called Carmen Jones, and he did the movie adaptation of it, and he played a character named Joe, which is what I played off-Broadway, and one night he came to the show.

01:29:24.000 And I've been saying to myself, what would I say to him if he showed up?

01:29:29.000 And I'm somebody who is extraordinarily grateful to the people that came before me, which is another reason why I step away from this woke stuff, because I feel like they keep erasing the heroes of the past.

01:29:41.000 But, you know, I got out of the theater, walked around the corner, and there he is, this 91-year-old man in this wheelchair, eyes still bright, these bright blue eyes, these great cheekbones.

01:29:51.000 And at a certain point, you know, I just said, thank you.

01:29:54.000 Thank you for everything that you have done.

01:29:56.000 You're a warrior and you're a trailblazer, and I just want to shake your hand.

01:30:02.000 And I was like, can I get a hug?

01:30:03.000 And he just got up, his old 91-year-old rickety self, made me get emotional thinking about it.

01:30:08.000 And there's a video of it.

01:30:10.000 And we hugged each other.

01:30:12.000 So that's one instance where I met a trailblazer and a hero.

01:30:15.000 I was like, thank you.

01:30:22.000 So I guess what I'm getting at is that maybe it depends on who the guy is and what situation that he's in in his life.

01:30:30.000 Like I see other guys at the gym or whatever and they look good, they're ripped or whatever, and I'm like, wow, good for that guy.

01:30:35.000 That guy looks amazing.

01:30:36.000 Or I'll see somebody who's doing their thing, they're running a business, they make money, I'm like, wow, good for that guy.

01:30:41.000 I could be there somewhere.

01:30:43.000 But at the same time, the flip side might be, We're keeping the family friendly, so I can't say what I want to say, but man, look at this dude.

01:30:52.000 He's flashing all this, man.

01:30:53.000 He's got this big muscle, man.

01:30:54.000 Whatever.

01:30:55.000 You know, we call them haters.

01:30:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:58.000 I got a lot of them on Twitter.

01:30:59.000 Oh, I bet you do, my friend.

01:31:00.000 You know, I remember I was working in California once when I was doing fundraising, and I saw a dude pull up in a very expensive car, you know, like convertible.

01:31:10.000 And I'm just thinking, like, he looked really young, like early 20s.

01:31:12.000 And I'm like, what is he doing?

01:31:14.000 Like, what is he doing?

01:31:15.000 And I was like, hey man.

01:31:16.000 And he's like, yo, what up?

01:31:17.000 I'm like, what are you doing?

01:31:18.000 Like, you're making all this money.

01:31:20.000 You clearly look like you're doing well.

01:31:22.000 Here's the real estate.

01:31:23.000 And so it's like, I saw that and I went to a guy and I was like, yo, yo, I want to talk to you real quick.

01:31:28.000 Cause I saw his power and his status.

01:31:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:30.000 And I was like, give me some advice.

01:31:32.000 Like he was a little bit older than me.

01:31:33.000 And I was like, what is this?

01:31:36.000 How do you afford this?

01:31:36.000 What do you do for a living?

01:31:37.000 What's the, what's the key?

01:31:38.000 How did you get started?

01:31:39.000 Tell me the, tell me those secrets.

01:31:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:41.000 That's the plot of The Pursuit of Happiness.

01:31:44.000 Remember that Will Smith movie?

01:31:46.000 But that was based on a true story, wasn't it?

01:31:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:48.000 But he sees a guy driving a nice car and he's like, you know, what do you do?

01:31:51.000 Well, I'm a stockbroker.

01:31:52.000 He's like, well, I want to learn how to do that.

01:31:53.000 How do I learn how to do that?

01:31:54.000 You know, so I mean, that's the kind of thing.

01:31:56.000 I was speaking about this earlier to one of your colleagues, just about this creeping nihilism, this lack of aspiration.

01:32:07.000 You know, there's no people.

01:32:11.000 It's as if, and especially with the response to COVID, people

01:32:17.000 are just content with sitting in and just shutting themselves

01:32:20.000 in all day and never striving for anything.

01:32:23.000 And in wanting to strive for something, it makes you greedy, it makes you selfish.

01:32:27.000 You're not, you're only thinking of yourself.

01:32:29.000 But, you know, how, if you're constantly denigrating people who want to build something or to achieve something, yeah, they might, maybe they are selfish, but if that drives them to create, you know, If that drives an Elon Musk to launch rockets into space, you know what I mean?

01:32:45.000 Then what's the deal?

01:32:46.000 What's the problem with that?

01:32:47.000 Why can't we aspire to be like these people instead of tearing them down?

01:32:52.000 It seems like there's a huge, huge cultural movement where striving for any kind of achievement or whatever is looked down upon.

01:32:59.000 Crabs in a barrel, man.

01:33:01.000 Crabs in a bucket? 0.99

01:33:02.000 Trying to pull you back down?

01:33:02.000 Do you know the phrase, crabs in a barrel?

01:33:04.000 Crabs in a bucket? 0.99

01:33:05.000 So when one is climbing out, the other one grabs, trying to pull itself up, pulls him back down.

01:33:09.000 Pull them all out in one thing.

01:33:10.000 Yup.

01:33:10.000 crabs in a barrel, crabs in a bucket.

01:33:11.000 What is it?

01:33:12.000 They, they snap at each other.

01:33:13.000 Cause they all want out at the same time.

01:33:15.000 So when one is climbing out, the other one grabs trying to pull itself up.

01:33:17.000 If they only knew if they work together, they could all get out.

01:33:21.000 The bottom guy would climb up their backs first. 0.91

01:33:23.000 Pull them all out at a time.

01:33:24.000 Yup.

01:33:25.000 Except the guy at the top would have to hang there and carry the

01:33:27.000 weight of all the other crabs.

01:33:29.000 Some, we need one of those crabs to like introduce crab communism.

01:33:32.000 So they understand the power of the collective.

01:33:34.000 You know what you could do?

01:33:35.000 Get a bunch of crabs to cling onto the barrel in a circle and then a bunch of crabs so you have like a funnel of crabs and that way distribute the weight.

01:33:44.000 Let's work together.

01:33:44.000 Decentralize the weight distribution.

01:33:47.000 It's the age old mathematical problem.

01:33:49.000 We've now solved it.

01:33:50.000 The crabs in a barrel mathematical equation.

01:33:52.000 Simple. 1.00

01:33:53.000 And all the crabs that disagree, kill them. 1.00

01:33:56.000 There we go! 1.00

01:33:58.000 Everyone wins in this scenario.

01:33:59.000 All right, let's go to Super Chats.

01:34:02.000 If you haven't already, go to TimCast.com and become a member because we got exclusive members-only segments that will be coming up, of course.

01:34:09.000 And smash that like button, subscribe to the notification bell.

01:34:13.000 It all really, really helps.

01:34:14.000 So seriously, smash that like button.

01:34:16.000 Normally, I like to start from the beginning, but I'm looking down at this one super chat, you know, that's more recent.

01:34:22.000 I have to read it.

01:34:23.000 Ashley Underwood says, Clifton, I'm going to listen to whatever you got to say just to hear you.

01:34:28.000 That voice.

01:34:28.000 Wow.

01:34:29.000 It's got the same something as James Earl Jones.

01:34:31.000 It's a good one.

01:34:32.000 Congratulations, sir.

01:34:34.000 Thank you.

01:34:34.000 Your training has paid off.

01:34:37.000 Beautiful.

01:34:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:39.000 Is it, you know, you did Broadway acting, you've done, like, vocal?

01:34:42.000 You know what?

01:34:43.000 It's actually crazy.

01:34:44.000 When people hear me speak, and I'm that rare breed of individual, I'm the straight guy who does musical theater.

01:34:53.000 And so when they hear me speak, they're like, oh, clearly you're going on the bass or the baritone line.

01:34:57.000 But I have a range where I can sing not crazy high, but much higher than you might think.

01:35:02.000 So I just have a really weird voice.

01:35:05.000 But I will say that the more comfortable that I get in myself, that sounds kind of weird, but the more comfortable that I am with myself and the more that I mature, the more that I relax into myself.

01:35:18.000 I mean, I actually have to monitor myself and how I speak because I tend to speak very, very, very quickly.

01:35:23.000 But, it's actually sort of an internal kind of a thing, Ashley, where I... Oh, just you wait, there's more.

01:35:32.000 That's a lot more.

01:35:34.000 But just, you know, it's owning more of my maleness.

01:35:39.000 That's really how I feel.

01:35:40.000 Masculinity. 0.51

01:35:41.000 That's how I feel about it.

01:35:42.000 And for the longest time, You know, I was so focused on appeasing other people and pleasing other people.

01:35:49.000 And part of that was speaking in a tone of voice where, you know, I'm trying to be friendly and, you know, and it goes up here.

01:35:55.000 But that's not where my natural voice is.

01:35:57.000 When I'm more relaxed, this is where I tend to live.

01:36:00.000 I just get really excited really, really easily.

01:36:03.000 So in part of it is training, you know, everyone can benefit, I think, from, you know, learning breath techniques and learning where to speak from and learning where their resonators all are.

01:36:12.000 And it actually, if I can, you know, kind of go off for like a couple of minutes, you know, as an actor, it's kind of fun, because then you learn where your different resonators are, where you can place things so you can So if I'm going down here and playing someone who is from Africa, for instance, I can make Zamunda.

01:36:28.000 Because that movie just came out.

01:36:29.000 I know.

01:36:30.000 I'm not hearing great things about it, unfortunately.

01:36:32.000 But, or, I can come up here and play a completely different character and resonate more of here.

01:36:37.000 Or, man, I can come back here and be just real chill, bro.

01:36:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:36:41.000 You did a Jordan Peterson earlier that I was like, oh wow.

01:36:43.000 It's seriously not good.

01:36:45.000 It's not good.

01:36:45.000 That's great.

01:36:48.000 He's radical Marxist.

01:36:50.000 Now, see, now I'm on the spot.

01:36:51.000 It's, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's not, not quite as good as it was, but, um, yeah, no, it was really good before the show.

01:36:56.000 Cause you were just kind of winging as a joke.

01:36:58.000 I was like, Whoa, that one hit the, you know?

01:37:00.000 Yeah.

01:37:01.000 Well, I I'll, I'll, I'll work on that.

01:37:02.000 And what was your history?

01:37:04.000 Like, um, from like young, young adulthood to professional career, how did you traverse that?

01:37:09.000 My life makes no sense.

01:37:10.000 My friend.

01:37:11.000 I was, my mom was in the army, I'm a military brat, so maybe every three to four years my

01:37:16.000 life was uprooted.

01:37:17.000 I was born in Heidelberg, Germany.

01:37:20.000 Maybe that's why today I just, I guess I like people, I'm not, I had friends who were Turkish 0.69

01:37:26.000 and Greek and Dutch and all kinds of things, but there was nobody in my family who had

01:37:32.000 any sort of artistic, or at least expressed artistic inclinations.

01:37:35.000 And, you know, I was going to be an illustrator.

01:37:38.000 That was my thing.

01:37:38.000 I dabbled in music and like in poetry and prose and stuff like that.

01:37:41.000 And then at a certain point, you know, I basically left.

01:37:47.000 I was in his French class for three years.

01:37:49.000 I dropped, I didn't drop out, but I left to chase a girl basically into a drama class. 0.93

01:37:53.000 I just found I was good at it.

01:37:54.000 And I got a lot of encouragement.

01:37:56.000 In-state tuition was way, way cheaper to go to theater school and get a useless bachelor's degree in theater.

01:38:03.000 And I just sort of started going from there.

01:38:06.000 I never really would have chosen to be an actor.

01:38:10.000 It's going to sound a little pretentious and cliché, but it kind of chose me, and I just have sort of rolled with it.

01:38:15.000 It took me a long time to be comfortable with it.

01:38:17.000 And, you know, so I don't know the answer to that.

01:38:21.000 I'm just kind of a weirdo who, you know, liked art and games and wrestling and video games and comics, and then now I'm... Chased a girl into theater school, man.

01:38:28.000 Chased a girl into theater school.

01:38:30.000 Well, let me read some more of these superchats for you.

01:38:31.000 Oh, Lord, where are we going?

01:38:32.000 So I jump to the beginning.

01:38:33.000 I'm thinking this one superchat I'm reading is, like, just a funny one in the middle.

01:38:36.000 So I go to the beginning of the superchats, and Errant Thought says, Good Lord, you should do voiceover work.

01:38:42.000 Pure honey.

01:38:44.000 M. Sheba says, I'm not gay, but that voice is sexy. 1.00

01:38:48.000 You might be a little gay. 0.99

01:38:53.000 All right, all right. 0.99

01:38:56.000 Stray Alien says, the culture is better at Hungry Jacks. 1.00

01:38:58.000 Referencing Burger King.

01:39:01.000 All right, let's see.

01:39:02.000 Petty says, I've heard you and others refer to the third degree charges manslaughter, but the Minnesota definition is different and requires malice and disregard for life.

01:39:10.000 Dude has no chance at a fair trial anywhere though.

01:39:12.000 Well, they're trying to, so it's second degree murder and manslaughter, I believe in the second degree for Chauvin, and they're trying to add third degree murder.

01:39:18.000 This is where I'm wondering, how is he going to get a fair trial?

01:39:21.000 How can there be a jury that hasn't heard of this, isn't predisposed?

01:39:25.000 That's a good question.

01:39:25.000 I have no idea.

01:39:27.000 I have no idea.

01:39:28.000 Are you serious?

01:39:29.000 Wow.

01:39:29.000 I kind of love it.

01:39:29.000 love when guests have a great voice and excellent annunciation.

01:39:33.000 Side note, GME to the moon.

01:39:34.000 GameStop hit like 200 bucks.

01:39:36.000 Oh wow.

01:39:36.000 Are you serious?

01:39:37.000 Geez, man.

01:39:38.000 People are becoming millionaires overnight from memes on the stock.

01:39:41.000 I kind of love it.

01:39:42.000 Especially considering, I mean, it's GameStop, which people don't really

01:39:46.000 like GameStop all that much.

01:39:48.000 But so there is a part of me that's glad that it's achieved some kind of relevance again.

01:39:52.000 There you go.

01:39:52.000 Yeah.

01:39:53.000 Shooter CSW says, look into the history of International Women's Day.

01:39:57.000 It's literally a communist holiday.

01:39:59.000 Is that true?

01:39:59.000 I did not hear that.

01:40:01.000 Here's another one.

01:40:02.000 Just Jenny says, my God, his voice is beautiful.

01:40:04.000 How much money did we make simply because of your voice?

01:40:07.000 All of these people super chatting.

01:40:09.000 Just give me a cut, man.

01:40:09.000 That's all I ask for.

01:40:10.000 Ten percent.

01:40:11.000 10% Tyranus Cygnus says, Hello all.

01:40:14.000 Clifton, what roles did you play while doing Shakespeare?

01:40:17.000 My favorite was Macduff, who's the hero of the play Macbeth.

01:40:21.000 He's the one that kills the titular character.

01:40:24.000 Macduff is interesting because when you're interpreting these roles, you want to look at why is this character in the play?

01:40:32.000 What is his function in this story?

01:40:34.000 And how is he different from Macbeth?

01:40:36.000 Macbeth turns into this evil tyrant and dictator, sort of like Andrew Cuomo.

01:40:40.000 And Macduff, on the other hand, you see these scenes.

01:40:44.000 There's only one scene, unfortunately, with his wife and his kid.

01:40:49.000 Whereas Macbeth is talking about power and darkness and everything, Macduff has all this text where he's talking about he's referencing God and he loves his family.

01:40:58.000 And one of the central scenes in the play is where he learns Macbeth has had his wife and children killed.

01:41:03.000 And it's such a brilliant scene.

01:41:05.000 It's often cut because it's usually played pretty badly.

01:41:08.000 But Macduff is a great one.

01:41:10.000 Caliban is another one from The Tempest, one of Shakespeare's later plays.

01:41:14.000 That was interesting.

01:41:15.000 I did that in Washington D.C., and Caliban is explicitly referred to as a slave. 0.97

01:41:20.000 He is a slave.

01:41:21.000 So right away when I was cast, I knew like, oh man, we're gonna have to deal with a bunch of backlash.

01:41:27.000 You know, but even though there's a lot of language in the play where he's like, you know, he's a moon calf, he's a monster, this and that, I said, you know, I'm gonna treat him as a human being because if I treat him as some kind of alien, you know, and you'll see productions of The Tempest where some terrible director is like, we're gonna make Caliban an alien and put spikes on him and da-da-da-da-da-da, but it's alienating for the audience and they can't really visit, you know, the humanity of this character who I felt like this is a human being who's being treated this way and And what the audience receives is, well, this poor put-upon slave, and they begin to empathize with him.

01:42:03.000 So I don't want to go on and on about it, but that's a great one.

01:42:06.000 Did you hear that apparently there's going to be a reboot of Superman?

01:42:09.000 And I don't know exactly what it is, but they were talking about casting a black man as Superman.

01:42:15.000 And I don't know if I, like, I've heard a lot of people say, there's a couple arguments.

01:42:19.000 One of the arguments I've actually agreed with is that I think it's really dumb that they do hand-me-down characters.

01:42:24.000 Exactly.

01:42:25.000 It's a hand-me-down franchise.

01:42:27.000 You can't create anything original.

01:42:29.000 We're going to give you this thing.

01:42:31.000 Now, you know, I have to be careful and measure what I say.

01:42:33.000 J.J.

01:42:34.000 Abrams is producing it.

01:42:36.000 You know, people knock JJ, but I will say he co-produced the Broadway show that I did.

01:42:41.000 I found him to be very smart and a very hard worker.

01:42:43.000 And when I hurt my back, he actually sent me some cookies with a nice note on the stationery.

01:42:46.000 I was like, yeah, sorry about your back.

01:42:48.000 And a cool guy.

01:42:49.000 But, I mean, I agree.

01:42:51.000 You know, it's one thing if you're doing, you know, an alternate Earths kind of a thing.

01:42:55.000 And maybe there is a story that could be told about...

01:42:59.000 You know, about someone coming from an alien planet who, you know, who is a minority and has to find some way to connect with this race of people around him.

01:43:07.000 That could be interesting in terms of a Superman story, but if it's just, it's gonna be Superman.

01:43:14.000 Right.

01:43:14.000 You know, then that's, that's a different, that's a different sort of thing.

01:43:17.000 I was always, I learned anyone can play any role.

01:43:19.000 Boy can play a girl, girl can play a boy. 0.98

01:43:21.000 Colors doesn't matter.

01:43:21.000 As long as it's good.

01:43:22.000 Like if they make the stupid story about like, oh, I'm suffering because of the color of my skin. 0.99

01:43:27.000 That's not Superman, man. 1.00

01:43:29.000 Superman's a hero.

01:43:30.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:43:30.000 So there's, there's a practice called colorblind or nontraditional casting.

01:43:34.000 It's very prevalent in the theater and also in the opera.

01:43:37.000 And there's often this argument of saying, well, why can't it work in reverse?

01:43:40.000 There's a playwright named Neil LaButte who wrote an article, an op-ed in the LA Times back in 2007 where he said, well, why couldn't Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie do A Raisin in the Sun?

01:43:51.000 And the reason for that is, and why it often doesn't work in reverse, is that there are so many works by black writers wherein being black is a central part of the given circumstances of the play.

01:44:01.000 So with A Raisin in the Sun, for instance, There's a scene where this white individual comes into this, and for people who don't know the story, it's basically about a black family in Chicago in the 1950s who comes into money and they want to move to a nice neighborhood that's all white.

01:44:16.000 And so this representative of the neighborhood they want to move into comes in and offers to pay them money not to move.

01:44:25.000 You know, it's just, it's racism.

01:44:28.000 Blockbusting?

01:44:29.000 Or redlining?

01:44:32.000 I forget the specifics.

01:44:33.000 It's been a long time since I've read it, but it's basically like, you know, we want everything to be friendly and people to be happy where they are.

01:44:39.000 And a good director will cast a white actor who's very friendly and very inviting to do that.

01:44:46.000 But the point is, the play doesn't work if you have white people playing the younger family. 0.68

01:44:53.000 It's the name of the Youngers.

01:44:54.000 But I also think, you know, it is weird.

01:44:58.000 Like Superman is an alien, but he looks like just like a regular English being a white dude. 0.89

01:45:04.000 And so even with Starfire, who is another DC character, she's orange at least.

01:45:08.000 And so I got to be honest, the idea of taking an existing character who is already defined and then just kind of handing it down, I think is disrespectful.

01:45:17.000 And I think it's a cop-out.

01:45:18.000 Instead of writing new, make new original heroes with awesome stories.

01:45:22.000 Dude, you could play Superman.

01:45:25.000 Awesome.

01:45:25.000 I'd rather play Captain America personally.

01:45:28.000 So look, I like Miles Morales as Spider-Man.

01:45:31.000 It's an alternate Earth version because there is the Spider-Verse, and I think Into the Spider-Verse was an awesome movie.

01:45:37.000 I got no problem with that.

01:45:38.000 If they just rebooted Spider-Man and were like, you know, we're just gonna now celebrate the diversity by casting this character, I'm like, For 50 years or however long we've had these heroes, longer, like 70 years or whatever, when Superman get written, he's been a representation of a certain individual.

01:45:58.000 I don't think you're actually doing anything for diversity or social justice by now saying, okay, now that we're done with it after seven decades, we're going to cast it in a minority position or something.

01:46:06.000 We need a new hero universe, like desperately.

01:46:09.000 No, just make, just write stuff.

01:46:10.000 It's like, where's the originality?

01:46:12.000 Just make a new story.

01:46:13.000 It's not even that hard.

01:46:14.000 Well, also, my fear about that is, excuse me, there is a, in the entertainment industry, there is a constant denigration of the audience.

01:46:27.000 They feel like they're smarter than the audience, but even if the audience, whoever comes to see your show, even if they can't articulate certain things that they don't like, they can feel it.

01:46:39.000 And my fear is that if we keep doing things like this and then when people push back against it they say like Thor is a great example.

01:46:49.000 Thor is a character that I never thought that I would enjoy that much, but when I read the

01:46:52.000 comments, I was like, you know, he's a wonderful character.

01:46:56.000 But when they said we're going to make Thor a woman, and they said, you know, well, Thor

01:47:01.000 is just a title.

01:47:02.000 No, it's not.

01:47:03.000 You know, he's the son of Odin, and he's the king of Asgard, you know.

01:47:09.000 But if you, no matter how, there was a great post on Reddit that said it, no matter how

01:47:14.000 much you break it down, like, no, Thor is not a title.

01:47:16.000 Thor is this person.

01:47:18.000 And, you know, but you, they'll still call you a misogynist or whatever.

01:47:23.000 And so, so if you say like, yeah, I don't, I'm not really feeling a black Superman. 0.94

01:47:26.000 They're going to call you a racist.

01:47:28.000 And so people, I think, I'm afraid that.

01:47:31.000 When someone like me comes along, they're going to say, I'm not going to see that.

01:47:34.000 It's just some black guy. 0.99

01:47:35.000 I'm tired of seeing all these black people. 1.00

01:47:37.000 What are they there for? 0.99

01:47:39.000 This is interesting.

01:47:39.000 You mentioned that one play about the black couple and the white guy.

01:47:43.000 What was it called?

01:47:44.000 Raisin in the Sun.

01:47:46.000 You said the play doesn't work because it's literally about a black family and this thing was happening.

01:47:50.000 And I feel there's a similar argument to Thor.

01:47:53.000 Right?

01:47:54.000 Thor is literally the son of Odin.

01:47:56.000 He's a Norse god.

01:47:58.000 So it's like to change those attributes about him and then take his name also creates a really weird kind of story break in that it's literally about this god who is son of Odin based on this certain mythology.

01:48:11.000 Some characters it probably doesn't matter.

01:48:13.000 When you do colorblind casting, you suspend your disbelief so a woman will be playing the male role, but it will be a man character in the play, just played by a woman. 0.71

01:48:21.000 So the audience suspends their disbelief, accepts that it's a man, doesn't matter who's playing the role.

01:48:26.000 But when it comes to skin color, that could be viscerally confusing.

01:48:30.000 And when they change it to a Thor as a woman now and not a woman playing a male role, that can be confusing.

01:48:35.000 Right, if the story is changed.

01:48:36.000 No, I think, like what you were saying is, you know, if the element of the story is the character is, you know, of this race or this background, changing that just changes the story.

01:48:45.000 It would be really weird if Brad and Angelina were being racially discriminated against as a wealthy white Hollywood couple.

01:48:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:54.000 And actually my alma mater, my grad school, they did a production that caused a lot of controversy where you had these white student actors who were playing these black characters.

01:49:01.000 Wow.

01:49:03.000 It just, it doesn't work.

01:49:04.000 The play does not make any sense at all.

01:49:06.000 But as a statement, the play being the art itself, as opposed to the actual performance, I think is an interesting point to be made about why it doesn't work.

01:49:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:15.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:49:17.000 Yeah.

01:49:17.000 Because then you show people and be like, it's kind of weird, right?

01:49:21.000 But you know, but you know, well, that's a whole other discussion about like, how, how is it benefit?

01:49:24.000 I mean, I guess it could benefit if you're a student actor, and you are exploring, you know, maybe cultures unfamiliar to yourself, then there's merit in that just, but on a professional level, no, no one's gonna go.

01:49:36.000 No one's gonna go see that show.

01:49:37.000 All right, let's read some more of the Super Chats. 0.91

01:49:38.000 Maddie says, My dad is Algerian.

01:49:41.000 My cousins going to school here were confused by forms because they weren't black, but didn't view themselves as white.

01:49:47.000 Maybe we should start trolling and put African-American because technically we are from Africa.

01:49:51.000 Did you hear about the kid?

01:49:53.000 There was a scholarship for African-Americans, and a white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid showed up.

01:50:00.000 And when they were like, what are you doing here?

01:50:03.000 He says, it's for African Americans, right? 0.88

01:50:05.000 And they're like, yes.

01:50:06.000 And he was like, I'm from South Africa and now I'm an American.

01:50:09.000 And they were like, get out.

01:50:11.000 But like for somebody who's not from here, they're like, oh, hey, I'm from Africa and now I'm an American.

01:50:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:17.000 They don't realize it was a racial thing.

01:50:19.000 I think he did it as a troll though, to be completely honest.

01:50:21.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I've actually worked with white people from South Africa, and it's the same.

01:50:26.000 That's why I don't use the term African-American.

01:50:28.000 It's just, you know, it's too broad, and it doesn't really... Oh, Lord, Tim, what are you reading right now?

01:50:33.000 I gotta read this!

01:50:33.000 I don't want to interrupt you, though.

01:50:36.000 I'm done.

01:50:37.000 I'm done.

01:50:38.000 Let's hear it.

01:50:38.000 Matthew Hammond says, Would Clifton go on Zuby's show?

01:50:41.000 It would be two amazing voices that could read a phone book and be engaging.

01:50:45.000 You know what, man?

01:50:47.000 No, but I really like Zuby a lot.

01:50:51.000 We follow each other on Twitter and, you know, he just seems like a decent guy.

01:50:56.000 And I see all the hate that he gets on Twitter.

01:50:58.000 I'm like, dude, he's a genius.

01:51:02.000 There's just so many where they're like, this voice, Clifton's voice.

01:51:06.000 Oh man, wait till the radio show comes on.

01:51:07.000 I'm going to talk like this for the rest of the podcast.

01:51:11.000 That's what I'll do.

01:51:12.000 There we go.

01:51:14.000 How about this?

01:51:16.000 I'll just work like this and everyone can send your superchats to TimCastIRL.

01:51:25.000 That's the voice they were hoping for when they donated.

01:51:27.000 That soothing, high-pitched, screeching whine.

01:51:30.000 Doesn't it make you just want to take a nap?

01:51:33.000 Curl up with your honey at home and just... Alright, let's see.

01:51:39.000 Hartford House says Frederick Douglass' birth and death month is February, Black History Month.

01:51:44.000 Was that why they did it?

01:51:46.000 Oh, you know, I'm not sure about the origin.

01:51:48.000 My complaint is it's really more superficial, but it's just so freaking cold, bro.

01:51:51.000 Like, you know, just put it in a warm month. 0.99

01:51:53.000 Black people do not like cold weather. 0.91

01:51:55.000 We just don't. 0.99

01:51:57.000 It's the shortest, coldest month.

01:51:58.000 We don't like cold weather, man.

01:52:00.000 Just put it in June.

01:52:01.000 Put it in June.

01:52:01.000 I understand.

01:52:02.000 And it is the shortest month, too.

01:52:03.000 Yeah, you only get 28 days, 29 every four years.

01:52:06.000 So, you know, be happy with that.

01:52:08.000 So Acme Products says, the collectivization of the farms in the USSR led to rapid food shortages.

01:52:16.000 Stalin decided to steal Ukrainian grain to feed the cities of Russia and starve out the Ukrainian nationalist movement.

01:52:21.000 It's estimated three to five million died.

01:52:24.000 I got the name of that British journalist, Gareth Jones.

01:52:27.000 Is that right?

01:52:27.000 No.

01:52:27.000 He was a Welsh journalist.

01:52:28.000 It was a different guy.

01:52:29.000 Oh, and it's so it's so disrespectful to him.

01:52:31.000 But Malcolm Muggeridge.

01:52:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:34.000 I think that's I think that's what his name is.

01:52:36.000 That's right.

01:52:36.000 I'm familiar with this name.

01:52:37.000 Andrew Turek says, Hey Tim, thanks for another great show.

01:52:39.000 Would you ever consider having Colleen Noir on the show?

01:52:42.000 I think he's one of the best two-way advocates on YouTube and I'd love to hear y'all talk.

01:52:45.000 I would love to have Colleen on the show. 0.99

01:52:47.000 And it's just, COVID has made things very, very difficult for a lot of people.

01:52:50.000 And so we probably have a list of like 50 amazing people who are like, dude, we'd love to come on and we can't travel.

01:52:58.000 A lot of them are in Canada, basically like every Canadian guest, except for those who have like somehow made it out of Canada before the lockdown.

01:53:04.000 Escaped.

01:53:05.000 So they're all like, we're trapped here.

01:53:07.000 Um, we'd love to come on the show when they release us.

01:53:09.000 Wow.

01:53:10.000 It's Canada's brutal, man.

01:53:11.000 Man.

01:53:13.000 I can't.

01:53:13.000 Famous quote.

01:53:15.000 Sykia Dargan says, history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

01:53:18.000 Mark Twain.

01:53:19.000 Yeah.

01:53:20.000 Yeah.

01:53:20.000 I like that quote.

01:53:21.000 We have a second.

01:53:21.000 Someone says, I second, uh, Christina says, I second the suggestion to have Colleen Noir on the show.

01:53:25.000 That would be awesome.

01:53:26.000 I'd love to have him.

01:53:27.000 JB says, would you be ever willing, be willing to bring a nobody onto your show from middle America to get out of our perspective?

01:53:33.000 That's me.

01:53:34.000 Yes.

01:53:35.000 Just kidding.

01:53:36.000 We were, uh, planning, we talked about this a lot.

01:53:38.000 We were like, we want to do a regular Joe's kind of thing where we have like regular, you know, union member or something who can be like, I'm an union member.

01:53:44.000 We should get our bads on and talk about firemen.

01:53:47.000 Well, so the, the, the challenge though is, um, COVID traveling.

01:53:52.000 And I think maybe like the original idea was we were going to travel around before, like the original idea for this channel was to travel around the country and do like setting up tables in random towns and talking to regular people.

01:54:02.000 So like in real life.

01:54:03.000 And then COVID happened and we couldn't travel.

01:54:05.000 So maybe there's something still there with doing that once things get better.

01:54:08.000 So we actually are building a mobile tour setup and the plan right now is very preliminary, but we're going to travel to a couple of different cities, spend a week in a city, and then do a Friday night live venue podcast.

01:54:20.000 That's cool.

01:54:20.000 Where the super chats are the audience.

01:54:22.000 And the Super Chats, like, we'll do both.

01:54:24.000 That's the plan, which means a lot of work has to be done, and depending on what the lockdowns are like in various cities, but I think for the most part, like, we'll stay in, like, Texas and Florida and stuff.

01:54:33.000 We'd be totally fine.

01:54:34.000 Also, you know, just quickly, one of the things that I love about the modern era, you know, in platforms like YouTube, is that, I mean, this idea of the, like, the ordinary person or the common man or woman, I feel like is sort of going by the wayside, because everyone is passionate about something.

01:54:48.000 And I use this example all the time, but there's a guy on YouTube who trains dogs and minks

01:54:53.000 to catch rats, and that's his thing.

01:54:56.000 And he has millions and millions of views on these videos.

01:54:59.000 And I'm thinking to myself, you know, or you think about how some of the most astute political

01:55:03.000 commentary in 2016 was coming from an ex-Satanist who's sitting in his bathrobe in his room

01:55:08.000 in Vermont.

01:55:09.000 And so it's, right, so this idea of the ordinary person now, I feel like, you know, is sort

01:55:15.000 of going out of the window because there's something extraordinary.

01:55:17.000 I think in a lot of people, you know, you just have to find whatever that thing is that

01:55:21.000 they like.

01:55:22.000 And I love that I have access to that now.

01:55:24.000 I can watch these people and say, oh yeah, and learn from them and just grow in a weird

01:55:28.000 Deccan says Tim quote people have their own world views based on where they live also Tim quote

01:55:34.000 Conservative parts of the south very racist. You don't live in the south and don't know our ways you outs your outside

01:55:40.000 perspective Well, if I didn't say this properly what I believe I said

01:55:46.000 was I have been to conservative parts of parts of the south That are very racist. I have I have

01:55:51.000 I have spent time there.

01:55:52.000 I have lived there.

01:55:53.000 I did not say all of the South was racist.

01:55:56.000 I did not say that every conservative is racist.

01:55:58.000 There are places I've been to in big cities where they believe a whole bunch of far left crazy stuff.

01:56:02.000 And I think the world represents their views.

01:56:04.000 And I have been to places in parts of the South that are very, very racist.

01:56:07.000 And to be fair, I don't, these people don't think the cities represent their views.

01:56:12.000 They just have their own worldview based on where they live.

01:56:14.000 But it doesn't mean every single Southern state or whatever is racist or every person is.

01:56:19.000 Mr. Kirk says, hello, big fan of original Trek, and there were many interracial kisses on the show outside Trek before the supposed first interracial kiss, e.g.

01:56:29.000 kisses between white men and Asian women on Adventures in Paradise and I Spy.

01:56:33.000 Interesting.

01:56:35.000 Did not know that.

01:56:36.000 Well, but Asians, they're not considered a minority anymore, if I'm not mistaken.

01:56:39.000 Oh, no, I'm double white.

01:56:40.000 Alright.

01:56:42.000 You're white squared. 0.58

01:56:43.000 White squared. 0.89

01:56:44.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:56:45.000 You know, man, dude, I've heard some of the most insane racist stuff from these people.

01:56:49.000 How?

01:56:49.000 Dude, it's so...

01:56:51.000 I was told by a guy at UW in Seattle that white supremacists love Asians and want to make Hapa children, just like how Germany and Japan was outlined in World War II. 0.97

01:57:02.000 And I'm just like, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, where you mashed this random idea from history and you know nothing about the war and the interactions between any of these countries. 0.94

01:57:12.000 Right. 0.99

01:57:13.000 Well, you know what?

01:57:14.000 So Mike's girlfriend was Japanese-American and her and I have another friend of mine who's also Asian.

01:57:20.000 They both said about themselves, this was unprompted, but they said, you know, I just always saw myself as white.

01:57:26.000 And I was like, that's really, that's really fascinating to me because... Like full Japanese?

01:57:30.000 Yeah!

01:57:31.000 Well, I mean, she was Americanized, but you know, but, uh, but I was, I was like, wow, I don't really have that option.

01:57:37.000 How does that work for you?

01:57:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:38.000 So I don't, so maybe, I don't know how much of that.

01:57:41.000 Maybe she grew up in like a white neighborhood maybe. 0.97

01:57:44.000 And she just found herself as part of an American culture and associated that as whiteness or something.

01:57:49.000 I don't know, man.

01:57:49.000 I mean, she's a, she's a California girl.

01:57:51.000 And I mean, she, she has a huge, huge, um, family that she seems very in touch with, with her culture.

01:57:56.000 So I don't know what, where, where that ideology came from.

01:57:58.000 I, I, I didn't, you know, I actually got a lot of flack from the alt-right.

01:58:02.000 They said Tim Pool has no identity and doesn't understand identitarianism because, you know, being mixed race, he can't truly understand what it means to have like a cultural history or something like that.

01:58:11.000 And I'm like, I do.

01:58:12.000 I have two different ones.

01:58:14.000 I don't know.

01:58:14.000 Like I, just like you're, like someone could be French and Swedish.

01:58:19.000 Well, then you have French history and Swedish history.

01:58:21.000 But growing up, I guess, you know, I grew up in an area where it was, like, fairly diverse.

01:58:27.000 That was it.

01:58:28.000 You know, there were people of different backgrounds.

01:58:30.000 So, there was no identifying as white.

01:58:32.000 There was no, like, thinking you were white.

01:58:33.000 It was literally just like, we're, I don't know, we didn't have an identity.

01:58:37.000 It's like, you know, one kid was Italian, one kid was a Polish immigrant, one kid was Asian, one kid was Mexican, one kid was black, and we were just like, we're Americans, I guess?

01:58:45.000 We're skater kids?

01:58:46.000 Like, it didn't occur to us.

01:58:48.000 And that really breaks my heart when I see what the modern Identitarian Left does. 0.75

01:58:51.000 Because I'm like, wow, I really had that like, perfect, McKid, you know, diverse childhood of all these different backgrounds and cultures and languages.

01:59:01.000 And we all got along and had fun and were just kids growing up.

01:59:05.000 Nobody cared.

01:59:06.000 You know, you would go over to your buddy's house, you'd play Nintendo or whatever for forever.

01:59:09.000 And then you get bored and you go outside and you play some more.

01:59:11.000 And just nobody, nobody cared about it.

01:59:13.000 Nobody cared.

01:59:14.000 Where'd you grow up?

01:59:15.000 Germany, Virginia, Belgium, and Virginia.

01:59:18.000 So I spent a lot of formative years in Virginia on military bases.

01:59:23.000 Or I'm in Belgium from age 8 to 12, and like I said before, I had friends from Holland, I had friends who were French, who were Flemish, Turkish, Greek, all kinds of stuff.

01:59:35.000 And no one ever cared about it.

01:59:37.000 No one ever cared.

01:59:38.000 There's a lot of fun.

01:59:39.000 Okay.

01:59:39.000 Julie Simone who she's got some some fire for you. Okay, this likely won't get read given it was ignored during the

01:59:46.000 show But Clifton you completely stereotype sexual orientation in

01:59:49.000 musical theater our black stereotypes fair game then too. I Mean it was a joke. Obviously what I was saying, you know, 0.99

01:59:55.000 I mean that the the the The straight man in musical theater.

01:59:58.000 But we are a very rare breed.

02:00:00.000 And I will say it's ironic because I do run into people often who say, you know, we need more masculine men in theater.

02:00:09.000 But they're not writing roles for those kinds of people.

02:00:13.000 But, you know, there's not one theater person who would not laugh at what I said because they understand it.

02:00:22.000 I mean, you know, every musical I've done, I've shared dressing rooms with, you know, where I'm the only straight guy in there.

02:00:27.000 And, you know, no one really cares.

02:00:29.000 So think about this.

02:00:30.000 I'm also a musical theater, you know, theater major.

02:00:32.000 Oh yeah?

02:00:32.000 Were you in Grease, the musical?

02:00:34.000 I played Vince Fontaine.

02:00:35.000 No, I wasn't in Grease, but Bye Bye Birdie was my first musical.

02:00:37.000 Oh, great musical.

02:00:38.000 I can completely empathize and sympathize with what you're talking about.

02:00:41.000 And in a weird way, it's kind of alienating, because I'm like, well, I don't really feel like I belong.

02:00:47.000 But then I'm like, I can't say anything, because then I feel like they're going to say back to me, well, well, well, welcome to the club, buddy.

02:00:53.000 So I'm like, all right, cool.

02:00:54.000 Well, think about it.

02:00:55.000 This is a joke that you're saying the people you know and the communities you've been in would laugh, because it's a joke that resonates with you as people who are in musical theater.

02:01:05.000 As someone who actually does, yeah.

02:01:07.000 People who are outside that would get mad.

02:01:09.000 Not everybody, but there are people who are outside that.

02:01:11.000 So it'd be like, you can't say that.

02:01:13.000 That's offensive.

02:01:13.000 And it's like, you don't understand the joke because you're not a part of the community where everyone would find it funny.

02:01:19.000 I don't know.

02:01:19.000 It was like the least offensive community I'd ever been in the theater.

02:01:24.000 I don't know about you.

02:01:25.000 What do you mean?

02:01:25.000 When I was in it, it was, people were so accepting of who we were.

02:01:28.000 It wasn't really about gender, sex or anything.

02:01:32.000 It's such a weird, weird thing because it's an industry where within two weeks of meeting complete strangers, you're making out with them.

02:01:41.000 Yeah, getting undressed backstage with them.

02:01:43.000 Yeah, you're doing all kinds of things where you're breaking down these mirrors.

02:01:47.000 Even as a young kid, I didn't quite know what I wanted to do, but I also knew that I wouldn't belong in an office anywhere.

02:01:53.000 And I'm kind of a weirdo, and I'm just like, here's a profession with a bunch of other weirdos, and we can all just be weird together and enjoy ourselves.

02:02:02.000 I highly recommend, if you're going to go to college, to go to college for an art degree.

02:02:06.000 At least for me.

02:02:07.000 I'm still in debt from it.

02:02:08.000 I don't care.

02:02:09.000 It was the most socializing, incredible experience.

02:02:13.000 I met so many cool people.

02:02:16.000 You don't need the degree, but it's the experience for me.

02:02:19.000 You went to college for it too, right?

02:02:20.000 I went to college, and then I went to grad school as well.

02:02:22.000 For theater?

02:02:23.000 Yeah, well, for acting.

02:02:24.000 Yes.

02:02:24.000 BFA.

02:02:25.000 BFA and MFA.

02:02:27.000 It's in my Twitter bio.

02:02:28.000 I list my credentials, because everyone's doing that now.

02:02:31.000 There you go.

02:02:32.000 All right, we got a couple more.

02:02:33.000 This is interesting.

02:02:34.000 D. Montoya says, Calvin Ellis was an alternate universe Superman who was black.

02:02:38.000 And Ra Zaphone says, Val Zod is the name of the black Superman from Earth 2.

02:02:45.000 The character was great, not because he was black, but because Val Zod was well written.

02:02:49.000 Well, there you go.

02:02:51.000 And then Greg says, how do you feel about a black female being cast as Anne Boleyn considering it's a historical white person?

02:02:59.000 It's just...

02:03:00.000 It's needlessly inflammatory.

02:03:02.000 It's anti-historical.

02:03:05.000 Again, I mean, I haven't seen this project.

02:03:06.000 I know what this person is referring to.

02:03:09.000 But it's one of those things where I just don't feel like it really accomplishes anything.

02:03:12.000 I don't know what they're aiming at.

02:03:14.000 I mean, it's one thing if you have a show like Hamilton, which I think a lot of conservative people don't really get.

02:03:19.000 It's like, well, why are all these black people playing George Washington and Hamilton and Jefferson and all these people? 0.99

02:03:25.000 But for me, it's a wonderful theatrical device where they're telling a story via hip-hop that's really important.

02:03:34.000 I think it's fun for most audiences to come see it because you're telling a history, although many historians have had issues with the script.

02:03:46.000 I feel like that's such a different kind of theatrical event versus if you're trying to produce something that's got historical verisimilitude, then that's not the right way to go about it.

02:03:55.000 And it just seems like it is signaling for this particular time.

02:04:00.000 And what I also am upset about is that, you know, when you have these actors who are just trying to build careers, they're just trying to do something that they love, that they enjoy, and they're thrust into these roles, You know, they don't deserve the sort of heat that they get, the criticism that they get, because actors don't give themselves these jobs, generally speaking.

02:04:22.000 I want to clarify a lot of what we were talking about earlier, because I'm thinking a lot about this.

02:04:28.000 I don't really care all that much about Superman having a black guy play Superman. 1.00

02:04:34.000 I honestly don't really care that much, so long as the character is written as a Superman character and it follows this storyline that stays true to the character.

02:04:42.000 I don't really think it matters who the actor is.

02:04:44.000 And I think the issue with hand-me-down characters is more so When, like, in the comics they made Thor a woman.

02:04:50.000 It's like, couldn't you just make, like, you know, Valkyrie or something?

02:04:53.000 Like, make a new hero for women that is more representative instead of just being like, oh yeah, I don't know.

02:05:01.000 Instead of making strong original characters, like the big three in the Marvel Universe, you can just have the ones we're done with.

02:05:07.000 It's been a couple decades and the sales are down.

02:05:09.000 Congratulations.

02:05:10.000 We just, it'll, it'll, there you go.

02:05:12.000 It's like, we'll just make a new cool character.

02:05:14.000 But real quick too.

02:05:16.000 There already are a ton of really amazing female characters across these superhero universes that already exist, and superheroes who are black or Asian, and I just like... I'll put it this way, I want to separate these ideas.

02:05:28.000 When it comes to acting, I honestly don't care if Anne Boleyn is being played by a black woman. 1.00

02:05:32.000 I really, really don't.

02:05:34.000 It's a fictionalized, theatrical version of it, and...

02:05:38.000 I honestly just don't care.

02:05:39.000 She got to be good.

02:05:40.000 Make the best actor, do the best actor.

02:05:42.000 That's the point.

02:05:42.000 Yeah.

02:05:43.000 But if, but if they're striving for historical accuracy, then it does not

02:05:46.000 work if they're trying to do, do something make you cry.

02:05:50.000 Well, I don't, I don't know about that.

02:05:52.000 It just, if, if there, if what they're setting out to do is, is, has nothing to

02:05:58.000 do with historical accuracy, then that's a different thing.

02:06:00.000 And then maybe I can entertain that.

02:06:02.000 But part of the problem is I.

02:06:03.000 It's like, you know, going off of what you're saying, I feel like that would be fine if

02:06:08.000 we were not in the times that we're living in right now and we didn't have generations

02:06:12.000 of this culturally ingrained idea of racism.

02:06:15.000 And I feel like there's no way to do it now, to race swap a character like that without

02:06:20.000 it seeming as though you're trying to make some kind of a statement.

02:06:23.000 And I think when people see that, they're going to be turned off by that kind of a thing.

02:06:26.000 You know, if we have a lot of people pointing, I'm going to read this super chat because a lot of people saying the

02:06:32.000 same thing.

02:06:33.000 Ryan Pennington says, first super chat, thank you for everything.

02:06:36.000 The problem with this new Superman is that it's being written by Ta-Nehisi Coates.

02:06:40.000 Yes.

02:06:41.000 So I'm not super familiar with the work of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

02:06:46.000 Ta-Nehisi Coates is what many on the, I guess in the anti-woke and the right-leaning crowd would call a race hustler. 0.54

02:06:59.000 His views are very, and again, I used to share these kinds of views, his views are very typical

02:07:05.000 of the left regarding race, about America being oppressive, America being very racist.

02:07:11.000 And he actually wrote a run on Captain America and Black Panther.

02:07:15.000 I don't know how the sales are doing of those, but for me, when it was announced that he

02:07:18.000 was writing Captain America, I'm saying, well, how can you have this person who seems to

02:07:25.000 hate everything, or at least misunderstand everything America stands for, writing Steve

02:07:30.000 Rogers?

02:07:31.000 It doesn't work.

02:07:32.000 So when you have Coates writing a character that stands for truth, justice, and the American

02:07:36.000 way, maybe truth, maybe justice, he might have views on that, but the American way,

02:07:42.000 I don't know if, I think the issue is people might feel like he doesn't quite have the

02:07:48.000 idealism or the sort of patriotic attitude that might help, that would make a Superman

02:07:56.000 That said, I'm not super familiar with the Superman ethos and the character.

02:08:03.000 People might have other views on that.

02:08:05.000 You know, for me, and I think for a lot of people, it's the idea of, like, this seems like someone whose ideology doesn't really match up with the character he's been given to write.

02:08:17.000 One of the movies I bring up periodically is Spiral, I think it was called, and I don't know if you've heard me talk about it or if you've seen the movie.

02:08:24.000 It's a horror movie from Shudder, which is like a subscription horror movie service.

02:08:29.000 And the issue I had with it is, you know, the movie starts and it is an interracial gay couple who has a daughter.

02:08:35.000 And I'm like, I'm unfazed by this.

02:08:39.000 I'm like, okay, cool.

02:08:40.000 Let's watch.

02:08:41.000 I'm interested.

02:08:42.000 I see a loving family with a kid and I think that's fine.

02:08:46.000 It doesn't stand out all that much.

02:08:48.000 The problem arises when the story's plot is literally driven by the fact that they're an interracial gay couple. 0.68

02:08:55.000 Instead of just having a horror story where a demon comes to possess the daughter and the family's fighting to protect her, and I can just generally relate to that, it becomes very specifically about a bunch of immortal white people who want to kill marginalized people. 0.83

02:09:08.000 And I'm like, Now you're beating me over the head with it.

02:09:13.000 And I'm like, it's kind of like a weird, very angsty and angry.

02:09:18.000 And so I think the issue is we have all these movies where supposedly, um, or actually, you know, coming off of what you were saying about how if, if, if, if, uh, if the story is like a black family with the house and the housing issue, it makes sense that the family is black.

02:09:32.000 It doesn't work if they're white. 0.99

02:09:33.000 You have this movie where it doesn't, it doesn't have to matter that it's an interracial gay couple with a kid. 0.52

02:09:38.000 You have a bunch of movies where it's a white family and there are ghosts.

02:09:42.000 And it doesn't matter if it was a white family or a black family, the horror story works regardless of the race and ethnicity of the character.

02:09:47.000 Why can't we just have these things?

02:09:49.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:49.000 Like, why can't they make a movie where we have an interracial gay couple with a daughter, but it's just like a regular horror movie that's well-written, that, you know, scares you with not- jump scares.

02:09:58.000 I hate jump scares.

02:09:59.000 Like, just tell a good story.

02:10:00.000 Like, have you ever seen The Others?

02:10:03.000 One of the best like horror, like Nicole Kidman, really, really great writing, clever movie.

02:10:09.000 And you know, you could make these movies with diverse casts and characters and all that stuff, and it would still be a great movie.

02:10:15.000 Instead, what they do is they write social justice, like letters to social justice for you, and then they call it a horror movie.

02:10:21.000 And you know, A, if you had a black horror movie, it'll be a really short horror movie because everyone knows black people die first. 1.00

02:10:31.000 It'll be like opening credits, boom! 0.96

02:10:34.000 Ending crawl.

02:10:35.000 But seriously though, what you're saying is one thing that I've been beating on in public is that this idea of, you know, there is a universal human experience and you can have, you know, a gay interracial couple But as long as it's rooted in, like, if it's a horror movie, we want to see what they do to survive and get out alive.

02:10:53.000 How do they use their wits, their strength?

02:10:55.000 How do they survive this ordeal? 0.99

02:10:58.000 The evil, white, immortal people. 1.00

02:11:02.000 Spoiler alert, but I've spoiled the movie already before. 0.67

02:11:05.000 Basically what they say, they explain is that every ten years they trick marginalized people into coming to the town so that they can sacrifice them for immortality. 0.68

02:11:13.000 And it's just like very, very over-the-top, like, I get it, okay.

02:11:17.000 Well, because here's my thing, and I say, like I made a tweet about like, you know, I never got into acting to be an activist, and there are too many people now I feel like who are saying that we want to send a message, we want to, you know, we want to inject our activism into this story, where It would probably be more effective if you focused more on story craft and telling a good story.

02:11:39.000 You know, two examples that I use often, movies that came out around the same time, indie films.

02:11:44.000 One was called Pariah, which is a coming-of-age story about a young black lesbian in New York City.

02:11:48.000 The other was called Gun Hill Road, which is a coming-of-age story about a young, like a 16-year-old Latino male who is transitioning into female.

02:11:58.000 And, you know, you see all these sort of awkward interactions, first love, first kisses, you know, how it affects the family, and it's like, okay, like, we see that now.

02:12:10.000 I can relate to that.

02:12:11.000 You know, I'm looking at a slice of life that I don't really understand or that I don't necessarily identify with, but as a human being, I'm sitting there, I'm saying like, oh yeah, the familial strife, the awkwardness of first love, trying to find Navigate sex and dating, which, you know, it's going to have even more challenges, you know, and we want to, we want to see conflict in our drama.

02:12:28.000 That's, that's, that's one of the core tenants of drama.

02:12:30.000 You know, how does this character deal with these new challenges that they're invited into the, they're invited and see, you know, I speak quickly now, but that they're inviting into their lives.

02:12:37.000 Like, that's what I want to see.

02:12:39.000 I want to see the human struggle.

02:12:40.000 How, how do they overcome adversity?

02:12:42.000 I don't want to be preached that and given some sort of message.

02:12:45.000 I don't need to be improved when I go to the movies.

02:12:47.000 I just, I want to experience something.

02:12:51.000 Watching, like, The Grudge, there's no racist narrative when the creature climbs out of the black shadows of the wall and it's like a demon going, yeah, right, exactly.

02:13:02.000 Yeah, it's so creepy.

02:13:03.000 It's just a creepy movie, you know?

02:13:04.000 Yeah.

02:13:04.000 Well, let's do one more Super Chat and then we'll jump over to the members-only stuff.

02:13:09.000 Jennifer Reems says, Clifton has the coolest voice ever.

02:13:12.000 He has my vote to narrate the coming Civil War.

02:13:16.000 There you go.

02:13:17.000 Well, thank you.

02:13:18.000 I appreciate that.

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02:13:28.000 This often happens.

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02:13:31.000 It happens.

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02:13:50.000 But Clifton, you want to mention anything before we go?

02:13:53.000 Sure.

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02:14:04.000 If you're an artist out there and you feel like you are being silenced and that you're afraid, just reach out to me.

02:14:13.000 I'm connecting with all of these people.

02:14:15.000 So many of us are afraid.

02:14:17.000 I'm still figuring out what I'm doing in this space that I keep getting drawn into.

02:14:20.000 I'm being urged to create a podcast and do all kinds of things, so just keep a lookout for what I'm up to.

02:14:26.000 I'm happy to speak with you all and to visit and stop by, and I appreciate you giving me a chance to run my mouth a little bit.

02:14:33.000 I just love having you here, man.

02:14:34.000 That was awesome.

02:14:35.000 Hey, man.

02:14:36.000 I enjoyed it.

02:14:36.000 It's cool.

02:14:37.000 Except all the creepers that were like, man, his voice is just so...

02:14:40.000 Because no one was like, man, he's so smart and what a deep and insightful person.

02:14:44.000 They were like, he just makes me tingle.

02:14:48.000 All you objectifying people out there, you should be ashamed of yourself.

02:14:51.000 Just keep giving them money though.

02:14:53.000 So just do that.

02:14:54.000 Thank you.

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02:14:55.000 Thanks, dude.

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02:15:05.000 Very cool, yeah.

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02:15:30.000 So we'll be back tomorrow, of course.

02:15:32.000 And it's also my birthday tomorrow.

02:15:34.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

02:15:34.000 We'll see what happens tomorrow. 0.99

02:15:36.000 Like, for all I know, I'll be like just laying there, be like, you know, it's my birthday.

02:15:39.000 I'm not working.

02:15:39.000 But we'll see.

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02:15:42.000 I'll just wait till the weekend for the celebrations or whatever.

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