Actor Clifton Duncan Duncan Duncan joins Jemele to talk about the latest in the George Floyd case, the new charges against Derek Chauvin, and more. Plus, a special guest joins the show to discuss the latest on Andrew Cuomo.
00:00:58.000Even with third-degree murder, manslaughter is going to be hard enough to prove as it is, and a lot of people think Chavin will actually be acquitted.
00:01:09.000If politics plays a role in this, he could be convicted of all counts, or he could be found not guilty on all counts because they don't want the cop to go to jail for this.
00:01:17.000I think realistically there is a good possibility of a manslaughter charge sticking, but then you have the fact that the Minneapolis Police Department actually trains their officers to do exactly what Chauvin did.
00:01:28.000So by all means, criticize the department, say you don't like them for doing that, but can you blame the individual for doing as he was trained to do?
00:01:44.000We got Andrew Cuomo facing impeachment because there's a lot of things that guy did wrong, you know, killing people and then grabbing that woman's whole head and like squeeze.
00:02:30.000Hello to all my new friends out there.
00:02:32.000I'm a Broadway veteran and one of the few actors that people seem to want to listen to these days when I talk about politics and current events.
00:02:39.000The most I've accomplished in my career is creating a Twitter account and it's a very dubious accomplishment, but I'm riding the wave right now.
00:02:48.000I like to say Twitter is pointless, but I guess, you know, here you are, I suppose.
00:02:52.000It puts you on the political stage, in a manner of speaking.
00:03:09.000But my problem is that I just can't shut my mouth.
00:03:12.000And at a certain point, especially when things began to fall apart in 2020, I just, you know, I began to really freak out.
00:03:21.000And I said, you know, I just have to, I have to say something someone has to do.
00:03:25.000And honestly, it was, it was your rant last year.
00:03:28.000It's one of the reasons that I'm sitting here right now.
00:03:29.000You were like, you know, I didn't do that.
00:03:31.000Yeah, well, your censor of it was was hilarious in the in the clip, like, HUCK!
00:03:35.000But I said yes, because I'm not going to get into it, but I've experienced in my life that when people see something wrong, they always say someone should do something, someone should say something, but no one ever does, and that someone should be you.
00:03:51.000So I'm messaging James Lindsay, he wrote back to me, and I ended up meeting up with Kerry Smith, She just happened to be driving from Texas to somewhere else, and we met up in Atlanta.
00:04:03.000Things kind of took off from there, and I just began saying what I really think, and Twitter, for all its uselessness and vitriol, it kind of caters to my strengths, which is being a smart aleck and being able to write with a little bit of flair.
00:04:20.000I feel like there's actually more and more people who are not conservative, but are about freedom and free speech and humor.
00:04:27.000This politically homeless space is getting bigger.
00:04:30.000More people are coming into it, you especially.
00:04:32.000Yeah, well, you know, it's fascinating because, you know, I have private conversations with people in my industry and outside of it, in New York and in other places, who say, yeah, I agree with everything that you're saying, but I just...
00:04:45.000And like you, I began to become irritated because I do have sympathy.
00:04:49.000You have things that you want to protect in your life.
00:05:31.000And then you know deep down, you're like, I know that's not true, but if I say otherwise, that is an insane way to live.
00:05:37.000One of the most devastating lines I've ever read in all of literature is the final line of 1984, where he says, he loved Big Brother.
00:05:45.000And I feel like, I shouldn't say this, but I'm well on my way to cancellation anyway, might as well say it.
00:05:52.000But that's what I feel like because now, at least in my industry, you're doing meet and greet at the first day and people say, well, say who you are and what your role is and what you're here for and also share your pronouns.
00:06:03.000And I feel like if I do that, now I have no problem if someone wants to be addressed in a certain way.
00:06:25.000You can always culture jam and say, like, my pronouns are Alilala and Malalalala.
00:06:29.000And then when they ask you to repeat it, be like, you didn't ask anybody else to repeat it.
00:06:34.000So, I agree with you, if someone, you know, if somebody has particular pronouns, I don't care, you know, I'll call you, I'll address you as you want to be addressed because I'm seeking to communicate with you and trying to build a certain level of, you know, respect.
00:06:45.000But if someone asks of me, it's like, oh, if you want, you don't want to ask me to play these games, like to engage in this stuff, because I just get weird with it.
00:06:54.000Well, it's also like, you know, is there really any mystery as to what pronouns I might go?
00:06:59.000I'm 6'3 with broad shoulders and a baritone voice.
00:07:37.000By the way, before we came on air, this is hilarious, we were talking about how, I don't know why, but the only leftists seem to automatically see black people whenever there's an ape or a gorilla or something.
00:07:55.000There's a very, very big Instagram model who wore the Timcast IRL shirt.
00:07:59.000She's got like almost 11, she's got 10.6 million followers.
00:08:03.000And this is just like one of the coolest things ever.
00:08:07.000I don't know if I should shout her out because I don't want to, you know, draw undue political attention, but she's a very, very big influencer.
00:09:17.000So I think a lot of people like us who are just like regular, moderate, liberal types by a lot of people listen to the show, regular, moderate, conservative types don't think of black people when they see, you know, cartoon gorillas or whatever.
00:09:29.000But it's no surprise then that these racists on the left They do think it.
00:09:35.000They literally tell us they're racist.
00:10:43.000Cause he was proud of his country and like, it meant something to him, but they kept calling him.
00:10:47.000First of all, he wasn't from Africa and he wasn't from America, but like that was stripped away for this, for the sake of political correctness.
00:11:12.000But before we get started, go to TimCast.com and become a member because we are building this massive library of exclusive members-only content.
00:11:30.000In the last segment, talking about alien civilizations, maybe already dead, and DMT as some kind of path towards another reality.
00:11:37.000If you're into that, all that kind of weird stuff.
00:11:39.000Otherwise, we got Jack Murphy saying, progressives can't be alphas.
00:11:42.000Immediately, I know many progressives are going to be like, I challenge that assertion, and you should listen to it, because it's actually an interesting debate.
00:11:48.000I totally argued with Jack on that point, because I disagree.
00:13:23.000I wish I remembered his name, but there was a guy who wrote a piece on Medium around the time all this stuff was going on, and he mentioned it's a part of the MPD's code.
00:13:35.000They're allowed to use the knee on the neck or something like that in terms of restraint.
00:13:42.000And his whole argument was that it's likely that Chauvin is not going to be convicted of first-degree murder.
00:13:48.000I just don't think these charges are going to stick.
00:13:53.000So, I mean, I just don't know how these charges will stick, but it's also...
00:13:57.000This is a huge sticking point for me because it's yet another in this litany of stories that involve law enforcement and a black person being killed that are completely distorted by the press.
00:14:12.000You take this string of incidents, or you create this string of incidents.
00:14:18.000You don't look at them on an individual basis.
00:14:20.000For me, the Eric Garner case, that was more of a gray area.
00:14:23.000But then you have the Walter Scott case where he got shot in the back and it's a clear-cut case of murder.
00:14:28.000I think that cop is actually serving 20 years.
00:14:31.000Oh, was that the one where the guy was running away?
00:14:53.000See, and here's the thing on top of that, because there are many channels on YouTube that upload nothing but police body cam and dash cam footage.
00:15:02.000So you can, I mean, I've seen, I've seen a lot of people get shot, but you can see hours and hours of what police have to deal with all the time.
00:15:09.000And when you begin to see For instance, how a routine traffic stop that can be friendly, you know, pleasant, can turn deadly like that.
00:15:20.000You know, or you see, I mean, the idea of sending social workers to handle, you know, for instance, like the... Capital insurrection.
00:15:30.000Because you know, when you see enough videos of like a six foot five, you know, dude, who's in some kind of psychosis, or he's on drugs or something, and you know, they try tasers, they don't work, they try bean bag rounds, they don't work.
00:15:41.000They try, I mean, people, they're emptying their magazines into this person, and they still don't die.
00:15:46.000It's just, there's so many more layers.
00:15:48.000And there's so many more things that you that you have to consider that people just don't consider when dealing with the police, you know what I mean?
00:15:54.000Take any one of these people to a firing range and then give them a handgun and watch them completely change their opinions on all of this stuff.
00:16:02.000So I recently was talking to some friends and explaining to them.
00:16:05.000The first time I ever went to a shooting range, it was during the Ferguson riots.
00:16:08.000I've mentioned this so, you know, fans of the show probably are familiar with the story.
00:16:11.000They said, the first thing was, have you ever fired a gun before?
00:16:14.000If you haven't, we don't want you to go in there without someone to train you and give you the basics.
00:16:19.000And so I said, I hadn't, but The guy I was with was this hardcore war journalist who's fired full-auto AKs in the Philippines and other crazy countries.
00:16:30.000So he was like, don't worry, we'll teach him how to fire a Glock, no problem.
00:16:47.000I was very aware of how I was holding my body, and I could repeat that same position, but I was just shooting low every time.
00:16:55.000And they told me I was probably pulling my hand down when I was pulling the trigger, and they tried giving me these pointers.
00:17:00.000What they told me was the average person that they give a handgun to can't hit the target at seven yards.
00:17:05.000And believe it or not, the other people who were with us, they couldn't hit this thing.
00:17:08.000I was amazed by how bad everyone's accuracy was.
00:17:12.000Now you imagine you're, what, 20 yards away?
00:17:15.000The MythBusters did this thing where they were like, a person with a knife can close 21 yards before the cop can get his gun out.
00:17:21.000So the average person in a panic situation, a cop even with certification of some sort, It's a high-intensity moment, he's freaking out, he's adrenaline rushing, and he goes for his gun, and the guy's already closed the gap.
00:17:33.000And if the guy's further away than that, he's gotta be pretty good, proficient with his weapon.
00:17:38.000There is a reporter who did, who, you can find this video on YouTube, who was very much, you know, he was on that narrative of like, you know, anti-police and all this stuff, and he went and underwent the training.
00:17:50.000And that exact scenario, you know, someone, and there's, again, there's videos online that you can find of people with a knife.
00:17:57.000And, you know, they might be across the room or something like that, and the officer will get stabbed several times before his partner is able to draw and take the guy down.
00:18:06.000But this reporter was like, oh, his mind totally changed because he saw just how dangerous somebody can be with a knife.
00:18:11.000I mean, there was a shooting recently, was it in Philadelphia, where the guy had the knife and people were like, he shouldn't have been shot.
00:18:16.000I'm like, dude, he was on, he was having some kind of mental...
00:18:23.000I don't know if the politically correct term is psychosis or not.
00:18:30.000And when you've seen hours and hours of this stuff and you see how it turns out, it's one thing if you have an issue with police using lethal force.
00:18:41.000I could actually respect that position if you have an ethical problem with it.
00:19:00.000It's not, you know, I'm sure they can be on edge in many circumstances.
00:19:04.000It's not like every day they go out there, you know, on the verge of dying.
00:19:07.000But it is a lottery ticket where if you get those numbers right, you get a bullet.
00:19:11.000And so I'm not going to ask someone to buy that ticket unless I give them the opportunity to protect themselves in the event the ticket comes due.
00:19:27.000And at the same time, we just had this video go viral where a woman, I guess the story was a woman asked these cops to come in and protect her as she was going into her home because she was worried about an ex who was armed.
00:19:37.000And so the cops are like, he has a weapon, let us know where the weapon is, and it seems like they're with her to protect this woman.
00:19:42.000Dude barges in the door and starts shooting like crazy.
00:19:45.000This is a reality, man, when you have to deal with the violence and the anger.
00:19:51.000And so here's what ends up happening is...
00:19:53.000We're asking cops to enter the situation, but we're also asking them to essentially throw themselves in the sacrificial dagger in the event that something goes wrong.
00:20:00.000So you have, I think the George Floyd thing was a very, very tragic case with a whole lot of problems.
00:20:06.000And I do think that Chauvin bears some responsibility for this.
00:20:09.000That's why I said manslaughter may actually be an actual outcome.
00:20:12.000And the reason for it, he remained on the neck three minutes after Floyd was unresponsive.
00:20:19.000And so maybe you argue that the training says that's what you're supposed to do because it allows them to breathe.
00:20:24.000Maybe your argument is he should have sat him up and then provided rendered eight or something.
00:20:29.000The challenge is, you know, like I said, they might actually say manslaughter, like, you know, you could have done something, you were the one who restrained him, and the restraint was part of the, you know, the reason for death.
00:20:38.000But you have many circumstances where, well, let me start by saying this, you have many circumstances where cops screw up.
00:20:44.000Philando Castile, legal gun owner in his car, telling the cop, I do have my legal gun, and the cop panics and shoots him anyway.
00:20:51.000But then you have, you know, these circumstances where in that one viral video where these two cops are trying to subdue a guy and then he runs to his door, grabs the gun, and just shoots both these cops like crazy.
00:21:04.000I think it's the video where the one cop just starts, he lets out this blood-curdling shriek and then it's just silent after he gets, I mean, yeah, that's some chilling stuff.
00:21:13.000But you have to be aware of that kind of thing and that kind of danger before you can really offer any sort of nuanced opinion on these kinds of matters.
00:21:40.000For all these other stories, you gotta understand the nuance.
00:21:43.000And the way I usually put it is, I hear the left say, oh, the likelihood they get shot or whatever is slim to none, and I'm like, I hear ya, I hear ya.
00:21:50.000So what you're saying is, you think these guys should take a job that doesn't pay very well, has crappy hours, and every day is a lottery ticket where if their number comes due, they die?
00:21:59.000I'm sorry, man, I'm gonna give them a weapon and say, in the event that happens, because we're asking you to do this on our behalf, you defend yourselves.
00:22:05.000And that means there's going to be some some there's going to be accidents.
00:22:40.000No, and I definitely think the media on the left makes it out to be substantially worse than it was, especially after we saw the body camera footage.
00:22:47.000Floyd saying, take me out, put me on the ground, put me on the ground, things like that.
00:22:50.000But I do think there is a legitimate question where we can have a debate about manslaughter, not murder.
00:22:55.000The murder charges, I think, are going to fall off because I think third degree murder is that you intended to cause harm that resulted in death.
00:23:02.000But I don't think, look, so we can pull this up.
00:23:04.000We have this tweet from Brandon Stahl.
00:23:06.000You can actually see, this is from the MPD training manual, apparently.
00:23:10.000It shows the cops putting their knee on the neck of another officer.
00:23:14.000It's not a real, you know, submission.
00:23:21.000You can see they're trained to do this.
00:23:22.000And they're told to do it because they say, place the subject in the recovery position to alleviate positional asphyxia.
00:23:29.000The point of putting their knee on the neck is specifically to stop them from suffocating.
00:23:34.000The question is, George Floyd was put in the custody of these officers.
00:23:39.000When the officers assume custody of an individual, they have a responsibility now.
00:23:42.000They have a responsibility to make sure that they're not causing the person harm or creating undue stress and, you know, checking on this individual.
00:23:51.000I will say, the reason it's a tough question is because it was a matter of, it was nine minutes.
00:23:56.000That's a long time to be kneeling on somebody, nine minutes.
00:23:59.000But it was three minutes where Floyd was unresponsive.
00:24:03.000What should he have done, and what was he doing, and what are the real questions we're trying to ask?
00:24:07.000Ultimately, I'm not sure prison solves anything.
00:24:09.000Maybe he gets kicked off the force because they were like, we need people who aren't going to be, they're going to be more attuned to this.
00:24:19.000I mean, prison time, it might make some people feel better, but, I mean, let's be real, no matter how this shakes out, which, you know, I think we're all in agreement that it's not going to be what a lot of people wanted, the people seeking retribution want it to be, and, you know, I think they want first-degree murder.
00:24:40.000But they're already primed now, because as soon as the lesser charges go through, they're going to say, this is yet another instance of the racist system in America being unjust toward black Americans.
00:24:56.000You know, I'm trying to stave off this creeping nihilism, but you know, there are a lot of instances where I feel like, you know, there's just, you can't, I shouldn't say can't, but I just don't know how you How you walk back from all of this.
00:25:18.000Well this is, what's funny because I tend to be more pessimistic but I also feel like well if you become demoralized and you become depressed then they, whoever they is, then they win.
00:25:29.000But then you know I mean I spend a lot of time down in Atlanta now and You know, at my job, which I won't mention because I don't want people to track me down and be crazy, but, you know, it's my job to enforce a dress code.
00:25:45.000And so the minute that somebody shows up and they're not in dress code, and they happen to not be white, they immediately jump to, well, you're racist.
00:25:52.000Even though, and then they're like, what about that person?
00:25:55.000Oh, you mean that black person wearing a blazer and dress shoes that is in dress code?
00:26:00.000Okay, if there are black people inside, then how is it racist that you can't get inside?
00:26:03.000But that's where people, that's where their mind jumps to immediately.
00:26:24.000But it's deeper than that, though, because, you know, I think about the average life of a, say, a black kid in America, and, you know, they wake up in the morning, they go to school, and what are their educators telling them?
00:26:36.000You know, Civil War, Abe Lincoln, MLK.
00:26:39.000They, you know, their favorite athletes, their favorite comedians, their favorite musicians, they all have this same sort of message.
00:26:46.000They go on social media, they watch the news, it's the same message.
00:26:48.000It's, you know, their relatives, their friends and family are all saying the same things to them.
00:26:52.000So this is a constant inundation of this worldview that says that white people are evil, America is racist, and this is generations and generations now.
00:27:02.000And, you know, again, in my darker moments, I say, how do you combat that?
00:27:06.000You know, and, you know, someone like Someone like me comes along.
00:27:10.000And here's another irony of it, because when I was a kid, it was the other, you know, people think that I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth.
00:27:19.000But, you know, I grew up in, you know, around working class, you know, sort of more on the poor and poorer end of things.
00:27:26.000Because of the way I carry myself, the fact that I had the temerity to turn in my homework on time, or at least to try, I was accused of acting white.
00:27:33.000And now what's happening is that you have this educated class now, this intelligentsia, this bourgeois class or whatever, of white, but also black people who are also saying the same things.
00:27:43.000about, you know, if you're punctual, if you're disciplined, if you're a rugged individualist,
00:27:48.000then you're striving for whiteness. If you're looking for financial success or whatever,
00:27:53.000then you're striving for whiteness. So now you're getting it from the bottom and from the top as
00:27:56.000well. And so I don't know where you, you have to find some way to break out of that and escape
00:28:01.000from it. And I don't know what those avenues are for people.
00:28:03.000Have you seen that thing from the Smithsonian? Yes. Before I even explain. Yes. Well, let's,
00:28:10.000Where it's like scheduling is whiteness and like being on time and working hard, saving for the future.
00:28:16.000I saw that and I thought to myself, for those unfamiliar, like the Smithsonian had this chart where it's like a graphic explaining that, like I said, working hard is considered a trait of being white.
00:28:26.000I'm like, wow, white supremacists would completely agree.
00:28:28.000But what I thought when I saw this was, Have they never been to, like, an African country?
00:28:39.000They literally think that these countries in Africa that function, that have employees and businesses, and that are predominantly black, don't have schedules?
00:29:30.000How insidious is it that these people who claim to be fighting on my behalf say that anything that you could possibly do to improve your life means that you are not really who you are?
00:29:41.000You know, it's, it's, it's, and people, and people can't see it because, I mean, that's the power of, I don't know, the, the leftist brand, the Democrat brand, whatever you want to say.
00:29:49.000But, you know, I mean, I left the Democratic Party two years ago because I began to say, you know what, these people are not, they're not in my corner.
00:29:55.000They're telling me all these things that are going to lead to a terrible life and a life of of dependency and insecurity, and yet they still want me to vote for the politicians that are pushing forward the same things.
00:30:08.000I shudder to think of how much money I could have right now if I just decided to say, you know what?
00:31:35.000I know a lot of people aren't fans of them, but for a leftist socialist publication, they've defended free speech for some really abhorrent people, saying, they'll come for us the moment you let them go for them.
00:31:46.000I don't care where you are on the spectrum.
00:31:47.000If we believe in freedom, individuality, you know, self-respect and all that stuff, or like responsibility, I think is an easier way to put it.
00:31:55.000All of that's kind of going out the window these days.
00:31:57.000Like the whole idea is that... I guess on the left, you are... It's a really horrible way to live.
00:35:16.000I'm not going to pretend like the school celebrated or anything, but I remember like opening up the book and then reading about, you know, this history.
00:35:23.000And I think the issue was like where he grew up in his community.
00:35:27.000Perhaps his community didn't, like there's certain stories and certain things they didn't think were as relevant, so they ignore them.
00:35:34.000It's not like you're going to teach literally every child, every grade school kid about every bit of history.
00:35:38.000And I thought it was interesting that he said that because I was like, first of all, it shows you that your experience is, you think your experience is the world's experience.
00:35:45.000You think because they didn't teach you that I wasn't taught or other schools don't.
00:35:52.000Cause, uh, I don't know if you're familiar with Ryan Long, the comedian.
00:35:55.000I know who he is, but I'm not... He's got a new bit, and it's brilliant, where it's basically a therapist telling the woman, no matter what she does wrong, she should tell the world to change instead of her.
00:36:04.000So he's like, when she's like, you know, I can't seem to find a good guy, he's like, have you considered writing an article telling men what they can do better?
00:36:10.000But it's a good point, because when I hear people say like, why aren't schools teaching this?
00:37:00.000So we were talking before we came on air.
00:37:02.000I'm binging a lot of Thomas Sowell right now, and he goes in on what he calls intellectuals,
00:37:07.000the intelligentsia, and how they—and visions of the world.
00:37:12.000You know, I think everyone should read A Conflict of Visions to sort of get a grasp on—it's
00:37:17.000Sowell's attempt to highlight the roots of the ideological fissures of our time.
00:37:24.000And he talks about the intelligentsia in terms of journalism and journalists and how they tend to filter out facts that are inconvenient to their own vision.
00:37:34.000So, you know, why don't we teach the Holodomor?
00:37:36.000Well, it's inconvenient to the leftist vision of the world, you know.
00:37:39.000And Juneteenth isn't, so they're bringing it up now.
00:37:41.000And then talking about Who, you know, they're not teaching this in schools.
00:37:46.000I mean, I remember there was some tweet about... People like to forget about Emmett Till.
00:37:52.000I'm like, who has not been told about Emmett Till?
00:39:07.000Holodomor, basically, Stalin, lots of policies that led to starvation of millions of Ukrainians.
00:39:14.000The New York Times, famously, under a journalist named Walter Durante, who has an award named for him, and this guy later won a Pulitzer Prize, which the New York Times has not rescinded.
00:39:54.000It's like the Emancipation... It's the June 19th, the celebration of the day, I think, I could be wrong, the day the Union marched in Texas and enforced the end of slavery officially.
00:40:06.000It was like the last person who was still enslaved got like, finally... And there's a move to make it a national holiday?
00:40:12.000So interestingly, in more recent times, 47 states already have it as a holiday.
00:40:18.000And I got to be honest, I think we should absolutely as a nation celebrate Juneteenth.
00:40:56.000I'll tell you the issue I take with a lot of the critical race theory, a lot of the leftist approach to things is like, I did an hour-long documentary on Ferguson and Pruitt-Igoe and public housing and the racial covenants of St.
00:41:12.000And you know, when I sit down with conservatives and Trump supporters and actually have conversations as like human beings sitting down together to have discussions, we actually come to an understanding of each other's views and politics and understandings.
00:41:24.000And if there's something like Ian wasn't familiar with Juneteenth, I'm not gonna pretend to be the expert.
00:41:28.000I probably got some of it wrong, but I'll just be like, oh, so it's basically this.
00:41:31.000So when I talk to conservatives, treating them as humans and good people who just, you know, maybe don't understand, Then all of a sudden they're like, oh, I didn't know that.
00:41:41.000When you actually sit down with someone, have a conversation with them, they'll be like, oh, they may still be like, well, I disagree with these particular points.
00:41:47.000So the issue I take is we just basically said on this show, Juneteenth should be a national holiday.
00:41:53.000And the problem with a lot of the mainstream left is that they need the conflict.
00:41:58.000Like when you mentioned your roommate who said, you know, you know, you're just trying to like act white or whatever that was.
00:42:03.000It's like they've, they've created the villain.
00:42:05.000That those of us who are fighting for civil rights and have for a long time in social justice are trying to do away with this idea that people are villains based on race.
00:42:13.000We want to be like, no, no, no, people are villains because they're bad people with bad ideas and they want to hurt you.
00:42:17.000But there are good people of all different races and there are bad people of all different races.
00:42:21.000But I think the people who want power in politics, and sometimes it's Republicans.
00:42:25.000I think Republicans have a lot of faults.
00:42:27.000But Democrats absolutely love using race as a wedge to drive a push for power.
00:42:33.000And I'll give you a really good example.
00:42:35.000They complain the Republican Party is too white.
00:43:42.000Like, you get Joe Biden, $2,000 checks, everyone says yes, fine, they agree, and then he doesn't do it, and he goes and bombs Syria instead.
00:43:48.000And again, I know, you know, Donald Trump, missile strikes, drone strikes, all that bad stuff too.
00:43:53.000There's a lot to unpack, breaking down all of that stuff.
00:43:56.000But ultimately, I really do feel like the Democrats are worried if we actually had the conversation where it was like, oh, I don't really care about race or gender and stuff.
00:44:05.000I think people should be treated respectfully and we should come together and fight for common causes, particularly class issues.
00:44:14.000Well, I'm convinced that most of us in this country agree on a lot of things.
00:44:20.000There are some hot-button issues like abortion, for instance, that are just really emotional, and people have very divergent views on that.
00:44:26.000But I think we agree on more things than we are led to believe.
00:44:30.000I say all the time, get off of social media, stop watching the news and just start talking to people.
00:44:38.000When I left New York City, the dystopian wasteland that it's now become, and I went to a city like Atlanta.
00:44:49.000And, you know, I was so heartened by just talking to people who are not in this progressive bubble, who they have, they're connected to life in a way that people in New York City are just, are just not.
00:44:59.000And they have concerns that, you know, that New Yorkers just don't, that aren't really, they aren't really privy to.
00:45:06.000And going back to your point about Democrats, you know, one of the reasons that motivated my deregistering from the party, you know, I mean, as a black person, you're just expected to be a Democrat.
00:45:16.000But you can't honestly ignore the fact that you have all of these cities that have large black populations.
00:45:26.000that are afflicted with blight, all kinds of disparities between rich and poor, crime,
00:47:06.000People have their own worldviews based on where they live.
00:47:10.000And I think one of the issues is that these progressives live in cities and then they treat the whole country like a city block in Manhattan.
00:47:18.000And they do it with the media, like the media gets into all the cities.
00:47:22.000It's even like culture, politics downstream from culture, you know, fantastic concept.
00:47:27.000They'll go to a bar in Manhattan and then attribute their experience to rural Idaho.
00:47:31.000And then they'll make a commercial and show it on TV in rural Idaho and start messing with people.
00:47:40.000Having spent 15 years in New York, I mean, you It's such an enveloping experience and even I have to remind myself that this is just a really unique place to be and not everywhere is like this and not everywhere should be like this and New Yorkers
00:48:05.000You know, they think they're smarter than everybody else, and they think that everywhere should be like New York.
00:48:08.000But then when you leave New York, people are like, man, I don't like New York, because I don't care if you're from New York.
00:48:12.000You know, you Yankee, yada, yada, yada.
00:48:22.000People in Manhattan were like, Brooklyn's not New York.
00:48:26.000Well, but everyone in New York agrees Staten Island isn't New York, even people from Staten Island.
00:48:31.000But also, there's this... I mean, it's... I've spoken to people, brilliant people, who, you know, they say, for instance, you know, I don't like those flyover country people.
00:48:38.000People who have grown up in the lap of affluence and privilege say, I don't like these... But I'm like, dude, as soon as you leave Manhattan, The rest of the state is pretty red.
00:49:03.000They're in bubbles, and the bubbles are actually getting smaller and smaller in physical space, but denser in population.
00:49:10.000So you go outside New York, even a couple miles, it's red.
00:49:14.000You start seeing a bunch of Republicans and Trump supporters.
00:49:16.000And I'll say this too, just in terms of the COVID response, I mean, that in and of itself, I mean, I feel like I have a bit of a unique experience in terms of Having lived in the city at the start of the pandemic, I was one of the people, I mean, I was sanitizing my mail and my groceries back in January and February, man.
00:49:52.000But then when you go to a place like Atlanta, where it's way more relaxed, and then you come back to New York.
00:49:58.000I mean, New York right now... I mean, I'm in this chat group on Twitter, and it's a lot of lefties and liberals who are against the lockdown measures.
00:51:43.000And they were like, there was one tweet from this guy and he was like, furthermore, Republicans shouldn't die either simply because they voted for a Republican.
00:51:49.000That's insane that these prominent progressives say this, but look at, you know, look at who these people are.
00:51:54.000Limousine liberal Keith Olbermann and Michael, you know, Michael Moore.
00:51:57.000They live in the, the bosom of wealth in ultra liberal cities.
00:52:02.000I don't exactly know where they're living right now, but they're totally in this weird bubble surrounded by other weirdos who think this is popular opinion.
00:52:10.000And even regular, like even media Democrats who have all of their biases, we always complain about them.
00:52:15.000We're like, dude, dude, dude, come on.
00:52:16.000Like we don't want Republicans to die from the virus.
00:52:19.000We can complain about the governor and stuff, but like Florida has been open the whole time.
00:52:27.000One of the problems is that you have personalities like this, like Olbermann, like Moore, who... It's the definition of a grifter, you know what I mean?
00:52:37.000They love to point the fingers in my direction, and I'm like, dude, I'll just say whatever I feel like saying.
00:52:41.000Michael Moore trying to rile people up to the point where he actually says, take the vaccines away, or maybe they shouldn't have vaccines, and Keith Olbermann saying they shouldn't have vaccines.
00:52:50.000I'm like, Not even leftists were saying that because you actually have people on the left who have opinions.
00:52:57.000I disagree with some of their opinions.
00:53:33.000I'm not going to say what his name is.
00:53:36.000You know, he's tweeting the most overheated, hyperbolic, melodramatic rhetoric about, you know, we have to overthrow the capitalistic system.
00:53:45.000And, you know, every time there's a black person holiday, he's like, you know, Malcolm X. And then you watch a video, you know, and he's just the most, I mean, how, I mean, I don't know how to describe it, but, you know, he just, he sounds like this.
00:53:55.000And I'm like, of course you sound like that.
00:53:57.000Because when it, when, when, when the revolution goes down, you ain't going to be nowhere to be found.
00:54:03.000He's going to be one of those people who's going to have a gun and be like, Oh, I don't, I don't know what to do with this.
00:54:32.000But I won't get into too much detail because, you know, security at the house and everything like that, but it isn't random.
00:54:37.000And I started, you know, going to the range, we mentioned this earlier in the show, like, give someone a handgun who's never fired before, man, will they not be able to make it work?
00:54:46.000And so the people who, there's a lot of new gun owners, a lot of liberals went out and bought guns, and I hope, hope, hope, hope, any of you listening who are new gun owners, you go take some classes.
00:54:58.000You go to a local range, you ask people to give you all the tips in the world, because you need the respect.
00:55:05.000You know, like what it means to be well-versed in the rules, the safety, how to actually shoot.
00:55:11.000When the revolution comes, a lot of these people who are, you know, on the left, they're not going to know how to operate a gun at all.
00:55:17.000And so there's a joke where a lot of conservatives say this.
00:55:21.000They were like, I can't remember exactly what the joke is.
00:55:24.000I'm sure people listening will know it, but it's something like, Thank you to all of the liberals who are buying supplies.
00:55:31.000You're collecting them for the people who own guns, which is like the conservatives.
00:55:34.000Because when it really comes down to it, what are you going to do when people are getting violent?
00:55:41.000It's the craziest thing when I have these conversations with people and they don't think anything bad is happening because we are truly frogs in a pot boiling.
00:55:48.000I hear a lot of people saying like, Tim, you were scaremongering about civil war or whatever.
00:55:57.000Like, I didn't say the apocalypse was going to happen and, like, we were going to see meteors fall from the sky and the whole planet was going to blow up.
00:56:02.000I said people are going to start escalating the violence and the tensions, and it's literally happening.
00:56:06.000And I don't see any reason why it would stop at this point because they're still just ramping things up.
00:57:38.000Michael Malice, who talks about, you know, all this chaos is actually good because on the other side of it, you know, we're going to come out better for it.
00:57:46.000I mean, maybe that's part of why people like me are popping up because we're saying, you know, more and more of us are saying, like, no, this is not OK.
00:57:54.000I'm not okay with the way things are going, but at the same time, whatever happens in terms of getting to that place, whatever that proverbial better place might be, I mean, maybe, that actually, now that I think about it, that might be another form of utopianism in a way.
00:58:09.000It's like, what's on the other side of that?
00:58:29.000And I'm just imagining like, This 90s-era liberalism that truly believed in treating people based on the content of their character resulted in this idea.
00:58:49.000They're all gonna come after me now, the Trekkies.
00:58:51.000But so, so it was always fairly progressive.
00:58:53.000And then in the nineties, it brings about this, this, this vision of a future where people are all getting along and judging people on the content of their character.
00:59:27.000I feel like the previous show that you mentioned, however, even though nobody would watch it, I guarantee you would get at least a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes.
00:59:58.000Yeah, like the captain has to be like a disabled person of color who's non-binary.
01:00:03.000And, you know, because a privilege is not going to be given to the white male or whatever, and then a certain species comes in and it's like a floating mass, and it has no legs, it has no color, and so they're like, it has no known privilege, you know?
01:02:01.000No, women can be murderers and criminals and all that really awful stuff too.
01:02:05.000They can be warmongers and weapons manufacturers and all that stuff.
01:02:10.000And Burger King thought it would be a good idea to claim that they believed women, they believe, belong in the kitchen.
01:02:18.000So USA Today writes, Burger King's attempt to highlight gender disparity in the restaurant industry with a provocative tweet appears to have backfired on Monday, which is also international.
01:02:49.000And the left is saying, You know, apparently Burger King is defending themselves.
01:02:53.000They're like, it was a good tweet that is bringing attention to the issue that only 20% of culinary professionals are women.
01:03:01.000And then the left is just like, so why did you have to tweet this sentence, which is not in any way conveying the message you think it is?
01:03:11.000If it had been me, I would have, uh, I would have said that I would have called myself Burger Queen for a day and then maybe that would have been okay.
01:03:31.000But I saw it and I was like this is hilarious and of course my first thought was, you know, We've got to keep it family-friendly.
01:03:40.000It's so difficult for me, but it's just this idea that, you know, it's like, well, I guess they could be in the kitchen if they truly want to be.
01:03:56.000What if they're choosing to be in the kitchen?
01:03:59.000Of course, when I let them out, basically.
01:04:03.000That's right. Women have been fighting for thousands of years to get out of the kitchen and fight the patriarchy
01:04:09.000With a single tweet burger king is trying to put him back in the kitchen. I know I know how dare they know
01:04:14.000But it's it's even funny too. Like so what burger king is basically saying is that culinary professionals tend to be
01:04:18.000men and i'm like even even to that regard like is it possibly because we
01:04:23.000have socialized To the point where we're telling women not to take these
01:04:26.000jobs and to be professionals and go and work for bigger corporations
01:04:30.000Like, we have been screaming to our children, you know, particularly young girls, be the CEO.
01:04:40.000And so, I mean, these things have consequences.
01:04:43.000So now we're 20 years later, and you have a bunch of women who are going to school specifically for jobs that will make them a lot of money and give them a lot of power in corporations, not culinary arts.
01:04:55.000I think for a lot of people, working as a chef in the culinary industry, it's very much about a passion for cooking and baking and creating food.
01:05:05.000And when you take these kids and you tell them, you won't be respected, you won't make money, don't do it.
01:05:12.000You get a bunch of people who are like, I'm gonna do what I have fun doing and what I enjoy doing.
01:05:16.000You have the stigma, for the most part, for young women being told, you have to do more because you won't have respect unless you take these jobs.
01:05:23.000Men aren't hearing that, so they're like, I love cooking, I'm gonna go cook.
01:05:28.000I'm at an age now where I see a lot of new mothers and I become disturbed on their behalf because they actually feel guilty that they want to spend more time with their children.
01:05:45.000And I'm thinking to myself, isn't the whole point of all of this is to provide you with options so that if you choose to, you can stay home.
01:05:52.000And I think this also speaks to something deeper and it's sort of related to COVID in a way, like the instinct that so many people seem to have to want to stay indoors and stay away from just living their lives.
01:06:09.000I mean, my thing is, Yeah, you know, it's great if you have all these degrees and all these accomplishments.
01:06:15.000But, A, I mean, every new father I've met has said, yeah, you know, I gotta keep working.
01:06:24.000I wish I could stay home and be with my kids.
01:06:27.000like they understand the sacrifice that they're making, but I don't find as many
01:06:30.000women who understand that sort of cost-benefit now. And I wonder if
01:06:35.000it's because they've been told all their lives that they need to succeed. And I'm
01:06:38.000thinking to myself, well, we've known, you know, you can't take it with you. You can't
01:06:41.000take all your degrees and all your money with you, but your children do live on
01:06:44.000after you. I was doing these Shakespeare sonnets and a lot of them
01:06:49.000have to deal, have to do with just fertility and carrying on your
01:06:56.000legacy and your lineage. And they're very wise. You know, they're these 14-line
01:07:00.000poems and within each of them, you know, he's addressing, you know, somebody and at
01:07:05.000least in this first chunk of them he's talking about, you know, well you're young
01:07:08.000now, but you're not always going to be young.
01:07:12.000One of the best ones, he says, you know, well, when you are old, if you have children, then your own youth and the joyous time that you had in your youth will be reflected back to you.
01:07:23.000And your own youth will live forever through the youth of your children.
01:07:26.000They actually call passing your wealth down to your child's succession.
01:07:31.000I mean, the word success comes when you succeed, you're sending all of your things to the next generation.
01:07:37.000But even then, it's like, you know, even if we're just talking about material wealth, I mean, what other kinds of wealth are there?
01:07:41.000You know, your philosophical wealth, your emotional wealth, your ideas, your philosophies on life.
01:07:50.000These are also things that you can pass down to your children that you can't earn in a workplace or at a university.
01:07:56.000You know what blows my mind is we hear about this trope where people are on their deathbed and they say, you know, a person on their deathbed never wishes they spent more time at the office.
01:08:04.000The one thing we always hear is they wish they spent more time with their family and their friends and their loved ones.
01:08:09.000There's a story I was reading on Reddit a long time ago.
01:08:12.000It's about a guy who said that his, I think it was his grandmother, showing him photos of him and his, you know, of his uncles and his aunts or whatever at the Grand Canyon or something.
01:08:21.000And it was just a picture of the Grand Canyon, that was it.
01:08:24.000And the grandma looked at it and she was like, this is when I was with your aunt and uncle at the Grand Canyon.
01:08:30.000And then she paused and said, why did I take a picture of the Grand Canyon?
01:08:35.000I care about your uncle and your aunt or whatever.
01:08:39.000And then he was like, the guy wrote the story.
01:08:41.000He was saying that was like a profound moment for me where from now on, whenever I do anything, the photos are always of the people I'm with, not the things we've done or the places we've been to.
01:08:52.000The memories we have are the people we love and care about.
01:08:54.000So I'll tell you what really freaks me out, what I'm worried about, when we constantly tell women that they should be career women, that there's a feeling some women have of social stigma.
01:09:07.000I'm not saying it's something that every woman experiences.
01:09:09.000But I've seen the conversations from women who are concerned that if they want to be just a homemaker, they'll be in some ways socially inconvenienced or face a detriment.
01:09:19.000Like they could get divorced and then how do they, you know, take care of themselves. They won't
01:10:10.000But there are certain privileges to being a man in terms of how much time you have to figure things out.
01:10:16.000I have so much compassion because I feel like women have a lot of big decisions to make about how they want their lives to be, and they have a limited window in which to make those decisions, and they also need to make those decisions at a time when they don't really have the wisdom, you know what I mean?
01:10:38.000None of us have the wisdom when we're 22.
01:10:47.000I was thinking regarding restaurant work and what men and women that in my experience they would stuff men in the kitchen and women on the front in the counter because women were beautiful and made people want to buy more and men were could handle the heat and the grease and the steam and it's physically toxic basically.
01:11:04.000So it might be a kind of job that men's bodies are just because like it's like working in the iron mine like you put the men in the iron mine.
01:11:36.000Why is it that the service industry is, you know, tends to be female.
01:11:40.000You go to a restaurant, the serve, the serving staff, it's not always, it's not absolute.
01:11:44.000There's, there's a ton of guys who are waiters, but you'll tend to see women taking service jobs because men will tip more probably, or at least as the assumption they do.
01:11:54.000So, again, at my job, I see this play out every single night.
01:12:00.000You have these men that show up of any age, really.
01:12:14.000They're in their early to mid-twenties, and they're beautiful.
01:12:18.000And they each have their guys come in, and they have these men wrapped around their fingers.
01:12:24.000Each of these men come in saying, like, yeah, I'm here to see, you know, Tatiana or whatever.
01:12:28.000And they think that they, you know, that they are special to her for some reason.
01:12:33.000Now, these guys, they're kind of scumbags, so they're going off and they're doing whatever they want with other women, too.
01:12:37.000But, you know, just what you were talking about, you know, they're making so much money and, you know, using whatever their wiles are.
01:12:47.000And also, a lot of these guys come in, they show up Now, I don't know if they're paying for this company, or if they're actually winning this company, you know, but, you know, these guys with money show up with women that are half their age, and it's a really, it's the kind of thing that you read about, and you're like, that doesn't really happen that often, but then you see it unfold, and it's kind of weird, but it's like, I guess I kind of get it, that's just sort of how the game is played, but it's not something that people like to talk about because it's not politically correct.
01:13:11.000I'm like, well, there's nothing about the interaction between the sexes that is politically correct.
01:13:16.000Yeah, I can't remember what I was watching, but it was like some movie where there was an old guy who hired a lady of the night, as it were.
01:13:22.000And he didn't want to hook up with her.
01:13:24.000He just like hung out with her and talked about his day and his life.
01:13:27.000And it was basically like the plot line was, he was like 60 years old.
01:13:32.000He didn't have any friends and he liked, you know, he felt he got good feelings being in the company of a young woman who he could talk about himself and have someone listen to him.
01:13:42.000And I'm like, for these guys, you call them scumbags probably, but I don't really see anything all that nefarious or wrong when they show up to this club wanting the attention of these young women and tipping them and giving them money or whatever.
01:13:53.000You can argue it's transactional or whatever, but they're getting what they want out of it.
01:14:08.000And these girls, I mean, look, we have to walk them to their cars at night because, like I said, you know, not the best kind of people that show up to these places sometimes.
01:14:16.000But, you know, they're driving nice cars.
01:15:03.000You know, like, I hear a lot from conservatives, they say women should get married young, and the reason conservatives say this is that, as women age, they become less valuable, I suppose.
01:15:51.000Have you considered writing an article about what men can do better?
01:15:55.000It's not gonna do anything for you, you know what I mean?
01:15:58.000So, this is why I think a lot of people would argue that marriage came about this way, because it provided security for the woman.
01:16:06.000So, they have access to that man who will provide for them.
01:16:09.000And it's assuming, you know, the woman wants these things.
01:16:14.000By all means, women can do whatever they want.
01:16:15.000I just think that's one of the reasons it luckily came about.
01:16:19.000Well, it's funny because then, you know, I encounter women oftentimes.
01:16:23.000And, you know, and again, I mean, it's a byproduct of just being a curious person.
01:16:29.000And when you talk to people and, you know, just non-judgmentally and you ask them questions, you know, and just over the years, I've heard a lot of women say like, you know what?
01:16:37.000I'm ready to just not go to work anymore and just be kept and not have to worry about paying bills.
01:16:44.000They would never say that out in public because they would get shrieked at by their friends, but I do think that maybe more women than not kind of feel that way.
01:16:54.000I have to read this paper, but it's called The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness.
01:17:01.000I guess you could say their rights and freedoms have expanded over the past few decades.
01:17:07.000Since the 1970s, they've been self-reporting ever-increasing levels of unhappiness.
01:17:11.000I think I read somewhere else that about a quarter of women are on some kind of either antidepressant or psych medication or something like that.
01:17:22.000And, you know, and again, I talk to people and, you know, there's all these stresses and all these things, and they're inundated with this news about how everything's wrong and everything's oppressed and everything.
01:17:32.000So, you know, I just... I don't think it's... You mentioned, like, freedoms, you know, that women have attained, and then we see this inverse.
01:17:52.000So, you know, the way I see it is the higher levels of unhappiness, and, you know, honestly, you could probably pull up the scientific studies and figure out, you know, what the cause of that is.
01:17:58.000I think freedom contributes to happiness.
01:18:03.000I think rights contribute to happiness.
01:18:05.000But then I think social stress and anxiety contribute more so to unhappiness.
01:18:10.000So I don't know if it's... I wonder if you could look at social pressures and social media and find that it affects men and women fairly equally in different ways.
01:18:21.000Like, you look at young women in Instagram, and you have these Instagram models that are all touched up with Photoshop and everything, and it's resulting in anxiety, stress, and depression.
01:18:30.000It's social issues that are causing it.
01:18:33.000Maybe you could argue that if you took away someone's freedom and they didn't have access to these platforms, then they wouldn't be unhappy with them, but I actually... I don't think that makes sense.
01:18:43.000I think it's just like, you know, burning down the house because you had, you know, a plumbing problem in the kitchen.
01:18:54.000With unhappiness in general, be it males or females, is social media.
01:18:58.000It's creating this pressure to conform to certain things, to say certain things, and then it results in, like we mentioned before, with people like Keith Olbermann saying insane things about taking vaccines away from people in Texas because you don't like their opinions.
01:19:10.000It results in people advocating for beating others and committing acts of violence because they're increasingly more and more desperate to fit in.
01:19:17.000We talk a lot about how young women are influenced by Instagram.
01:19:48.000But I follow The Rock, for instance, and I love the guy.
01:19:53.000I'm a huge pro wrestling fan, or at least I was back when it was good.
01:19:56.000And I think in terms of men, And again, this might lead into sexual dynamics and where people perceive their value to lie, maybe within the sexual marketplace, maybe not.
01:20:09.000But if we're talking about women using filters and beautifying themselves on these platforms and not feeling beautiful enough in comparison to other women, What about these other accounts with you see these men who
01:20:21.000are out, you know, I'm starting a business and I have this amount of money
01:20:23.000I got flashing wads of cash. I got this car. I got this house. I got this and that
01:20:27.000so I think a lot of guys are looking at that and they're being like
01:20:30.000That's not me. I mean, I guess I'm just a big just a freaking loser, man
01:20:34.000I don't know. I don't got nothing and then you know, I got all these women are commenting on the on on on these posts
01:20:40.000and So maybe that's contributing to male unhappiness.
01:20:47.000The success status, the status comparison is what I'm getting at.
01:20:50.000Guys not having kids, guys not having relationships, staying home and playing video games all day, not advancing.
01:20:57.000Look, I don't want to just kind of shift this and dump it all on social media, but I really do think social media is affecting both men and women.
01:21:06.000It's really the education around it, too.
01:21:08.000Like you said, it's not the freedom that's destroying them, it's their misuse of it.
01:21:12.000Because, like, you have the freedom to light your body on fire, but you know not to.
01:21:15.000And if you knew that it wasn't the filters that made you beautiful, that would help.
01:21:20.000Some people, you know, look, you got a freedom not to eat a whole ice cream cake from Baskin Robbins, but some people will do it, you know what I mean?
01:21:27.000And I was also thinking, like, when I would post a video on something of me being like, oh, I feel like crap, two tweets, two retweets, two likes, and then less people would want to follow me.
01:21:37.000I post a picture of me on a boat with a bunch of beautiful women.
01:22:19.000I don't know if that was his video, but his video was like, he has this little room he's in.
01:22:23.000And it gets like 50 million views because people want to see that status.
01:22:27.000It's why we had shows like Lifestyle, The Rich and Famous and Cribs.
01:22:31.000So very much so, as we've entered the space where you now control your own media outlet, everybody's a public figure.
01:22:39.000For some reason, and by all means, the feminists can tell me why this is happening, women have started to focus specifically around beautification, getting likes for their appearance and their bodies.
01:22:50.000Maybe it's a bad thing and they shouldn't do it.
01:22:52.000By all means, feminists can tell me, you know, comment below and say they shouldn't.
01:22:55.000I'm not asserting my opinion, I'm just saying it's happening.
01:22:57.000Well there's also you know it's the question of power and you know and again I go back to you know my job and it's kind of funny there's a comedian named Patrice O'Neill who unfortunately passed away many years ago from complications of diabetes but you know he talks about how he said he said I wish I could just walk around for one day as a beautiful woman because he talks about how you know they They could be the plainest person just to have nothing going on for them, but if they look good, they can walk around as if they're celebrities.
01:23:25.000And so, again, I'm at this job, and I see it every day.
01:23:33.000I try to watch my words because I know that I will also get heat from gender activists and feminists.
01:23:39.000to deny the power the raw power of a of a beautiful woman and the effect that it has on a man I mean and even other women say like oh she's so pretty you know what do you do it's there is something about that I don't even know if I can put it into words or articulate it but it definitely has an effect you can be you know I mean I don't consider myself somebody who I I guess by the nature of my profession, I'm used to being around beautiful women, so it's demystified for me, and in a way it's made me even more choosy as far as who I choose to date, because I'm like, okay, well, I see all of that, but, you know, what's inside?
01:25:00.000Well, a lot of them are dead, but one right now that I like a lot is actually Malcolm X, which I think might surprise a lot of people, given my viewpoints.
01:25:11.000I mean, I'm sure people who follow him would call me an Uncle Tom and all those other things.
01:25:15.000But the thing about it, in his autobiography, in the epilogue or the afterword to it, the actor Ossie Davis, who's no longer with us, unfortunately, He made the point that Malcolm taught us how to be a man when we were not allowed to be men.
01:25:28.000And there's this clip of this press conference that he gave after his journey to Mecca.
01:25:35.000And he was asked about bringing the case of racial discrimination and oppression of black
01:26:29.000Before we go too far, the reason I asked is you're talking about how you meet this woman and you get tongue-tied.
01:26:36.000I started thinking about this a while ago.
01:26:38.000When they talk about what the average male or female finds attractive, it's like guys want young, beautiful women and there's a variety of physical features that men are attracted to.
01:26:47.000The OkCupid data showed that it's like 22-year-old women almost exclusively.
01:26:52.000No matter how old the guy gets, he always goes for 22-year-olds.
01:27:02.000And I'm like so is there so you mentioned that like a woman could have a woman could have nothing going on for but just
01:27:07.000be Beautiful and then guys are like fawning all over all over.
01:27:10.000Yeah, and I was like so then what's the male equivalent of this high societal value?
01:27:15.000And it's status notoriety and fame and I'm like so then I wonder if there are similarities between
01:27:22.000You know guys who look at women and they're like whoo and guys who look at a celebrity or famous individual and yell
01:27:27.000at them Not sexual advances, obviously, which definitely gives guys a bit of that privilege, because, you know, I'm sure a lot of it's disgusting.
01:27:35.000But when you're a guy walking down the street and you have a bunch of people, like, hollering at you and yelling at you, like, yo, yo, can I get a picture?
01:27:47.000Interestingly enough, though, women will still get it worse when they're famous and beautiful because now everybody's yelling at you because you're famous and they're yelling at you because you're beautiful.
01:27:56.000And the reason I asked about male heroes is I was wondering, do you think you would get tongue tied if you came across a male, you know, hero of yours who you looked up to and was inspired by?
01:28:55.000It's such a powerful, beautiful moment.
01:28:58.000I will say, I did get to meet Harry Belafonte.
01:29:05.000That is somebody that I said, you know, I wonder what I would say to him if I ever met him.
01:29:11.000And I did a show off-Broadway where he played, it was a play called Carmen Jones, and he did the movie adaptation of it, and he played a character named Joe, which is what I played off-Broadway, and one night he came to the show.
01:29:24.000And I've been saying to myself, what would I say to him if he showed up?
01:29:29.000And I'm somebody who is extraordinarily grateful to the people that came before me, which is another reason why I step away from this woke stuff, because I feel like they keep erasing the heroes of the past.
01:29:41.000But, you know, I got out of the theater, walked around the corner, and there he is, this 91-year-old man in this wheelchair, eyes still bright, these bright blue eyes, these great cheekbones.
01:29:51.000And at a certain point, you know, I just said, thank you.
01:29:54.000Thank you for everything that you have done.
01:29:56.000You're a warrior and you're a trailblazer, and I just want to shake your hand.
01:30:43.000But at the same time, the flip side might be, We're keeping the family friendly, so I can't say what I want to say, but man, look at this dude.
01:31:00.000You know, I remember I was working in California once when I was doing fundraising, and I saw a dude pull up in a very expensive car, you know, like convertible.
01:31:10.000And I'm just thinking, like, he looked really young, like early 20s.
01:32:11.000It's as if, and especially with the response to COVID, people
01:32:17.000are just content with sitting in and just shutting themselves
01:32:20.000in all day and never striving for anything.
01:32:23.000And in wanting to strive for something, it makes you greedy, it makes you selfish.
01:32:27.000You're not, you're only thinking of yourself.
01:32:29.000But, you know, how, if you're constantly denigrating people who want to build something or to achieve something, yeah, they might, maybe they are selfish, but if that drives them to create, you know, If that drives an Elon Musk to launch rockets into space, you know what I mean?
01:33:35.000Get a bunch of crabs to cling onto the barrel in a circle and then a bunch of crabs so you have like a funnel of crabs and that way distribute the weight.
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01:35:05.000But I will say that the more comfortable that I get in myself, that sounds kind of weird, but the more comfortable that I am with myself and the more that I mature, the more that I relax into myself.
01:35:18.000I mean, I actually have to monitor myself and how I speak because I tend to speak very, very, very quickly.
01:35:23.000But, it's actually sort of an internal kind of a thing, Ashley, where I... Oh, just you wait, there's more.
01:35:42.000And for the longest time, You know, I was so focused on appeasing other people and pleasing other people.
01:35:49.000And part of that was speaking in a tone of voice where, you know, I'm trying to be friendly and, you know, and it goes up here.
01:35:55.000But that's not where my natural voice is.
01:35:57.000When I'm more relaxed, this is where I tend to live.
01:36:00.000I just get really excited really, really easily.
01:36:03.000So in part of it is training, you know, everyone can benefit, I think, from, you know, learning breath techniques and learning where to speak from and learning where their resonators all are.
01:36:12.000And it actually, if I can, you know, kind of go off for like a couple of minutes, you know, as an actor, it's kind of fun, because then you learn where your different resonators are, where you can place things so you can So if I'm going down here and playing someone who is from Africa, for instance, I can make Zamunda.
01:38:15.000It took me a long time to be comfortable with it.
01:38:17.000And, you know, so I don't know the answer to that.
01:38:21.000I'm just kind of a weirdo who, you know, liked art and games and wrestling and video games and comics, and then now I'm... Chased a girl into theater school, man.
01:39:02.000Petty says, I've heard you and others refer to the third degree charges manslaughter, but the Minnesota definition is different and requires malice and disregard for life.
01:39:10.000Dude has no chance at a fair trial anywhere though.
01:39:12.000Well, they're trying to, so it's second degree murder and manslaughter, I believe in the second degree for Chauvin, and they're trying to add third degree murder.
01:39:18.000This is where I'm wondering, how is he going to get a fair trial?
01:39:21.000How can there be a jury that hasn't heard of this, isn't predisposed?
01:40:36.000Macbeth turns into this evil tyrant and dictator, sort of like Andrew Cuomo.
01:40:40.000And Macduff, on the other hand, you see these scenes.
01:40:44.000There's only one scene, unfortunately, with his wife and his kid.
01:40:49.000Whereas Macbeth is talking about power and darkness and everything, Macduff has all this text where he's talking about he's referencing God and he loves his family.
01:40:58.000And one of the central scenes in the play is where he learns Macbeth has had his wife and children killed.
01:41:21.000So right away when I was cast, I knew like, oh man, we're gonna have to deal with a bunch of backlash.
01:41:27.000You know, but even though there's a lot of language in the play where he's like, you know, he's a moon calf, he's a monster, this and that, I said, you know, I'm gonna treat him as a human being because if I treat him as some kind of alien, you know, and you'll see productions of The Tempest where some terrible director is like, we're gonna make Caliban an alien and put spikes on him and da-da-da-da-da-da, but it's alienating for the audience and they can't really visit, you know, the humanity of this character who I felt like this is a human being who's being treated this way and And what the audience receives is, well, this poor put-upon slave, and they begin to empathize with him.
01:42:03.000So I don't want to go on and on about it, but that's a great one.
01:42:06.000Did you hear that apparently there's going to be a reboot of Superman?
01:42:09.000And I don't know exactly what it is, but they were talking about casting a black man as Superman.
01:42:15.000And I don't know if I, like, I've heard a lot of people say, there's a couple arguments.
01:42:19.000One of the arguments I've actually agreed with is that I think it's really dumb that they do hand-me-down characters.
01:42:51.000You know, it's one thing if you're doing, you know, an alternate Earths kind of a thing.
01:42:55.000And maybe there is a story that could be told about...
01:42:59.000You know, about someone coming from an alien planet who, you know, who is a minority and has to find some way to connect with this race of people around him.
01:43:07.000That could be interesting in terms of a Superman story, but if it's just, it's gonna be Superman.
01:43:30.000So there's, there's a practice called colorblind or nontraditional casting.
01:43:34.000It's very prevalent in the theater and also in the opera.
01:43:37.000And there's often this argument of saying, well, why can't it work in reverse?
01:43:40.000There's a playwright named Neil LaButte who wrote an article, an op-ed in the LA Times back in 2007 where he said, well, why couldn't Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie do A Raisin in the Sun?
01:43:51.000And the reason for that is, and why it often doesn't work in reverse, is that there are so many works by black writers wherein being black is a central part of the given circumstances of the play.
01:44:01.000So with A Raisin in the Sun, for instance, There's a scene where this white individual comes into this, and for people who don't know the story, it's basically about a black family in Chicago in the 1950s who comes into money and they want to move to a nice neighborhood that's all white.
01:44:16.000And so this representative of the neighborhood they want to move into comes in and offers to pay them money not to move.
01:44:33.000It's been a long time since I've read it, but it's basically like, you know, we want everything to be friendly and people to be happy where they are.
01:44:39.000And a good director will cast a white actor who's very friendly and very inviting to do that.
01:44:46.000But the point is, the play doesn't work if you have white people playing the younger family.
01:44:54.000But I also think, you know, it is weird.
01:44:58.000Like Superman is an alien, but he looks like just like a regular English being a white dude.
01:45:04.000And so even with Starfire, who is another DC character, she's orange at least.
01:45:08.000And so I got to be honest, the idea of taking an existing character who is already defined and then just kind of handing it down, I think is disrespectful.
01:45:38.000If they just rebooted Spider-Man and were like, you know, we're just gonna now celebrate the diversity by casting this character, I'm like, For 50 years or however long we've had these heroes, longer, like 70 years or whatever, when Superman get written, he's been a representation of a certain individual.
01:45:58.000I don't think you're actually doing anything for diversity or social justice by now saying, okay, now that we're done with it after seven decades, we're going to cast it in a minority position or something.
01:46:06.000We need a new hero universe, like desperately.
01:46:14.000Well, also, my fear about that is, excuse me, there is a, in the entertainment industry, there is a constant denigration of the audience.
01:46:27.000They feel like they're smarter than the audience, but even if the audience, whoever comes to see your show, even if they can't articulate certain things that they don't like, they can feel it.
01:46:39.000And my fear is that if we keep doing things like this and then when people push back against it they say like Thor is a great example.
01:46:49.000Thor is a character that I never thought that I would enjoy that much, but when I read the
01:46:52.000comments, I was like, you know, he's a wonderful character.
01:46:56.000But when they said we're going to make Thor a woman, and they said, you know, well, Thor
01:47:58.000So it's like to change those attributes about him and then take his name also creates a really weird kind of story break in that it's literally about this god who is son of Odin based on this certain mythology.
01:48:11.000Some characters it probably doesn't matter.
01:48:13.000When you do colorblind casting, you suspend your disbelief so a woman will be playing the male role, but it will be a man character in the play, just played by a woman.
01:48:21.000So the audience suspends their disbelief, accepts that it's a man, doesn't matter who's playing the role.
01:48:26.000But when it comes to skin color, that could be viscerally confusing.
01:48:30.000And when they change it to a Thor as a woman now and not a woman playing a male role, that can be confusing.
01:48:36.000No, I think, like what you were saying is, you know, if the element of the story is the character is, you know, of this race or this background, changing that just changes the story.
01:48:45.000It would be really weird if Brad and Angelina were being racially discriminated against as a wealthy white Hollywood couple.
01:48:54.000And actually my alma mater, my grad school, they did a production that caused a lot of controversy where you had these white student actors who were playing these black characters.
01:49:04.000The play does not make any sense at all.
01:49:06.000But as a statement, the play being the art itself, as opposed to the actual performance, I think is an interesting point to be made about why it doesn't work.
01:49:17.000Because then you show people and be like, it's kind of weird, right?
01:49:21.000But you know, but you know, well, that's a whole other discussion about like, how, how is it benefit?
01:49:24.000I mean, I guess it could benefit if you're a student actor, and you are exploring, you know, maybe cultures unfamiliar to yourself, then there's merit in that just, but on a professional level, no, no one's gonna go.
01:52:37.000Andrew Turek says, Hey Tim, thanks for another great show.
01:52:39.000Would you ever consider having Colleen Noir on the show?
01:52:42.000I think he's one of the best two-way advocates on YouTube and I'd love to hear y'all talk.
01:52:45.000I would love to have Colleen on the show.
01:52:47.000And it's just, COVID has made things very, very difficult for a lot of people.
01:52:50.000And so we probably have a list of like 50 amazing people who are like, dude, we'd love to come on and we can't travel.
01:52:58.000A lot of them are in Canada, basically like every Canadian guest, except for those who have like somehow made it out of Canada before the lockdown.
01:53:36.000We were, uh, planning, we talked about this a lot.
01:53:38.000We were like, we want to do a regular Joe's kind of thing where we have like regular, you know, union member or something who can be like, I'm an union member.
01:53:44.000We should get our bads on and talk about firemen.
01:53:47.000Well, so the, the, the challenge though is, um, COVID traveling.
01:53:52.000And I think maybe like the original idea was we were going to travel around before, like the original idea for this channel was to travel around the country and do like setting up tables in random towns and talking to regular people.
01:54:03.000And then COVID happened and we couldn't travel.
01:54:05.000So maybe there's something still there with doing that once things get better.
01:54:08.000So we actually are building a mobile tour setup and the plan right now is very preliminary, but we're going to travel to a couple of different cities, spend a week in a city, and then do a Friday night live venue podcast.
01:54:20.000Where the super chats are the audience.
01:54:22.000And the Super Chats, like, we'll do both.
01:54:24.000That's the plan, which means a lot of work has to be done, and depending on what the lockdowns are like in various cities, but I think for the most part, like, we'll stay in, like, Texas and Florida and stuff.
01:54:34.000Also, you know, just quickly, one of the things that I love about the modern era, you know, in platforms like YouTube, is that, I mean, this idea of the, like, the ordinary person or the common man or woman, I feel like is sort of going by the wayside, because everyone is passionate about something.
01:54:48.000And I use this example all the time, but there's a guy on YouTube who trains dogs and minks
01:55:53.000I did not say all of the South was racist.
01:55:56.000I did not say that every conservative is racist.
01:55:58.000There are places I've been to in big cities where they believe a whole bunch of far left crazy stuff.
01:56:02.000And I think the world represents their views.
01:56:04.000And I have been to places in parts of the South that are very, very racist.
01:56:07.000And to be fair, I don't, these people don't think the cities represent their views.
01:56:12.000They just have their own worldview based on where they live.
01:56:14.000But it doesn't mean every single Southern state or whatever is racist or every person is.
01:56:19.000Mr. Kirk says, hello, big fan of original Trek, and there were many interracial kisses on the show outside Trek before the supposed first interracial kiss, e.g.
01:56:29.000kisses between white men and Asian women on Adventures in Paradise and I Spy.
01:56:51.000I was told by a guy at UW in Seattle that white supremacists love Asians and want to make Hapa children, just like how Germany and Japan was outlined in World War II.
01:57:02.000And I'm just like, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, where you mashed this random idea from history and you know nothing about the war and the interactions between any of these countries.
01:57:49.000I mean, she's a, she's a California girl.
01:57:51.000And I mean, she, she has a huge, huge, um, family that she seems very in touch with, with her culture.
01:57:56.000So I don't know what, where, where that ideology came from.
01:57:58.000I, I, I didn't, you know, I actually got a lot of flack from the alt-right.
01:58:02.000They said Tim Pool has no identity and doesn't understand identitarianism because, you know, being mixed race, he can't truly understand what it means to have like a cultural history or something like that.
01:58:28.000You know, there were people of different backgrounds.
01:58:30.000So, there was no identifying as white.
01:58:32.000There was no, like, thinking you were white.
01:58:33.000It was literally just like, we're, I don't know, we didn't have an identity.
01:58:37.000It's like, you know, one kid was Italian, one kid was a Polish immigrant, one kid was Asian, one kid was Mexican, one kid was black, and we were just like, we're Americans, I guess?
01:58:48.000And that really breaks my heart when I see what the modern Identitarian Left does.
01:58:51.000Because I'm like, wow, I really had that like, perfect, McKid, you know, diverse childhood of all these different backgrounds and cultures and languages.
01:59:01.000And we all got along and had fun and were just kids growing up.
01:59:15.000Germany, Virginia, Belgium, and Virginia.
01:59:18.000So I spent a lot of formative years in Virginia on military bases.
01:59:23.000Or I'm in Belgium from age 8 to 12, and like I said before, I had friends from Holland, I had friends who were French, who were Flemish, Turkish, Greek, all kinds of stuff.
02:00:38.000I can completely empathize and sympathize with what you're talking about.
02:00:41.000And in a weird way, it's kind of alienating, because I'm like, well, I don't really feel like I belong.
02:00:47.000But then I'm like, I can't say anything, because then I feel like they're going to say back to me, well, well, well, welcome to the club, buddy.
02:00:55.000This is a joke that you're saying the people you know and the communities you've been in would laugh, because it's a joke that resonates with you as people who are in musical theater.
02:01:25.000When I was in it, it was, people were so accepting of who we were.
02:01:28.000It wasn't really about gender, sex or anything.
02:01:32.000It's such a weird, weird thing because it's an industry where within two weeks of meeting complete strangers, you're making out with them.
02:01:41.000Yeah, getting undressed backstage with them.
02:01:43.000Yeah, you're doing all kinds of things where you're breaking down these mirrors.
02:01:47.000Even as a young kid, I didn't quite know what I wanted to do, but I also knew that I wouldn't belong in an office anywhere.
02:01:53.000And I'm kind of a weirdo, and I'm just like, here's a profession with a bunch of other weirdos, and we can all just be weird together and enjoy ourselves.
02:02:02.000I highly recommend, if you're going to go to college, to go to college for an art degree.
02:03:14.000I mean, it's one thing if you have a show like Hamilton, which I think a lot of conservative people don't really get.
02:03:19.000It's like, well, why are all these black people playing George Washington and Hamilton and Jefferson and all these people?
02:03:25.000But for me, it's a wonderful theatrical device where they're telling a story via hip-hop that's really important.
02:03:34.000I think it's fun for most audiences to come see it because you're telling a history, although many historians have had issues with the script.
02:03:46.000I feel like that's such a different kind of theatrical event versus if you're trying to produce something that's got historical verisimilitude, then that's not the right way to go about it.
02:03:55.000And it just seems like it is signaling for this particular time.
02:04:00.000And what I also am upset about is that, you know, when you have these actors who are just trying to build careers, they're just trying to do something that they love, that they enjoy, and they're thrust into these roles, You know, they don't deserve the sort of heat that they get, the criticism that they get, because actors don't give themselves these jobs, generally speaking.
02:04:22.000I want to clarify a lot of what we were talking about earlier, because I'm thinking a lot about this.
02:04:28.000I don't really care all that much about Superman having a black guy play Superman.
02:04:34.000I honestly don't really care that much, so long as the character is written as a Superman character and it follows this storyline that stays true to the character.
02:04:42.000I don't really think it matters who the actor is.
02:04:44.000And I think the issue with hand-me-down characters is more so When, like, in the comics they made Thor a woman.
02:04:50.000It's like, couldn't you just make, like, you know, Valkyrie or something?
02:04:53.000Like, make a new hero for women that is more representative instead of just being like, oh yeah, I don't know.
02:05:01.000Instead of making strong original characters, like the big three in the Marvel Universe, you can just have the ones we're done with.
02:05:07.000It's been a couple decades and the sales are down.
02:05:16.000There already are a ton of really amazing female characters across these superhero universes that already exist, and superheroes who are black or Asian, and I just like... I'll put it this way, I want to separate these ideas.
02:05:28.000When it comes to acting, I honestly don't care if Anne Boleyn is being played by a black woman.
02:07:32.000So when you have Coates writing a character that stands for truth, justice, and the American
02:07:36.000way, maybe truth, maybe justice, he might have views on that, but the American way,
02:07:42.000I don't know if, I think the issue is people might feel like he doesn't quite have the
02:07:48.000idealism or the sort of patriotic attitude that might help, that would make a Superman
02:07:56.000That said, I'm not super familiar with the Superman ethos and the character.
02:08:03.000People might have other views on that.
02:08:05.000You know, for me, and I think for a lot of people, it's the idea of, like, this seems like someone whose ideology doesn't really match up with the character he's been given to write.
02:08:17.000One of the movies I bring up periodically is Spiral, I think it was called, and I don't know if you've heard me talk about it or if you've seen the movie.
02:08:24.000It's a horror movie from Shudder, which is like a subscription horror movie service.
02:08:29.000And the issue I had with it is, you know, the movie starts and it is an interracial gay couple who has a daughter.
02:08:48.000The problem arises when the story's plot is literally driven by the fact that they're an interracial gay couple.
02:08:55.000Instead of just having a horror story where a demon comes to possess the daughter and the family's fighting to protect her, and I can just generally relate to that, it becomes very specifically about a bunch of immortal white people who want to kill marginalized people.
02:09:08.000And I'm like, Now you're beating me over the head with it.
02:09:13.000And I'm like, it's kind of like a weird, very angsty and angry.
02:09:18.000And so I think the issue is we have all these movies where supposedly, um, or actually, you know, coming off of what you were saying about how if, if, if, if, uh, if the story is like a black family with the house and the housing issue, it makes sense that the family is black.
02:09:33.000You have this movie where it doesn't, it doesn't have to matter that it's an interracial gay couple with a kid.
02:09:38.000You have a bunch of movies where it's a white family and there are ghosts.
02:09:42.000And it doesn't matter if it was a white family or a black family, the horror story works regardless of the race and ethnicity of the character.
02:09:49.000Like, why can't they make a movie where we have an interracial gay couple with a daughter, but it's just like a regular horror movie that's well-written, that, you know, scares you with not- jump scares.
02:10:35.000But seriously though, what you're saying is one thing that I've been beating on in public is that this idea of, you know, there is a universal human experience and you can have, you know, a gay interracial couple But as long as it's rooted in, like, if it's a horror movie, we want to see what they do to survive and get out alive.
02:10:53.000How do they use their wits, their strength?
02:11:02.000Spoiler alert, but I've spoiled the movie already before.
02:11:05.000Basically what they say, they explain is that every ten years they trick marginalized people into coming to the town so that they can sacrifice them for immortality.
02:11:13.000And it's just like very, very over-the-top, like, I get it, okay.
02:11:17.000Well, because here's my thing, and I say, like I made a tweet about like, you know, I never got into acting to be an activist, and there are too many people now I feel like who are saying that we want to send a message, we want to, you know, we want to inject our activism into this story, where It would probably be more effective if you focused more on story craft and telling a good story.
02:11:39.000You know, two examples that I use often, movies that came out around the same time, indie films.
02:11:44.000One was called Pariah, which is a coming-of-age story about a young black lesbian in New York City.
02:11:48.000The other was called Gun Hill Road, which is a coming-of-age story about a young, like a 16-year-old Latino male who is transitioning into female.
02:11:58.000And, you know, you see all these sort of awkward interactions, first love, first kisses, you know, how it affects the family, and it's like, okay, like, we see that now.
02:12:11.000You know, I'm looking at a slice of life that I don't really understand or that I don't necessarily identify with, but as a human being, I'm sitting there, I'm saying like, oh yeah, the familial strife, the awkwardness of first love, trying to find Navigate sex and dating, which, you know, it's going to have even more challenges, you know, and we want to, we want to see conflict in our drama.
02:12:28.000That's, that's, that's one of the core tenants of drama.
02:12:30.000You know, how does this character deal with these new challenges that they're invited into the, they're invited and see, you know, I speak quickly now, but that they're inviting into their lives.
02:12:42.000I don't want to be preached that and given some sort of message.
02:12:45.000I don't need to be improved when I go to the movies.
02:12:47.000I just, I want to experience something.
02:12:51.000Watching, like, The Grudge, there's no racist narrative when the creature climbs out of the black shadows of the wall and it's like a demon going, yeah, right, exactly.
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