Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Donald Trump INDICTED, NYPD Orders FULL Mobilization Fearing Unrest w-Destiny

00:00:00.000 A Manhattan grand jury has voted to indict Donald Trump.

00:00:24.000 We don't have the full details yet, but there it is, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:27.000 All of these conservative but anti-Trump people who kept saying Trump was grifting and lying, he was never going to be indicted.

00:00:33.000 Oh, they have egg on their face, because Donald Trump's been indicted.

00:00:36.000 And you had many on the left, liberals, who were saying he was going to be indicted.

00:00:39.000 They were excited for it.

00:00:39.000 And you had Trump supporters saying this is an egregious violation of social or political norms.

00:00:44.000 But here we go.

00:00:46.000 The NYPD has ordered a full mobilization.

00:00:49.000 All officers are ordered to wear their uniforms and get ready for potential unrest.

00:00:52.000 And there's a lot to break down in that story alone.

00:00:56.000 So, oh boy, do we have a lot to go through.

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00:02:17.000 And it's gonna be especially a lot of fun because today, we are joined by the omniliberal himself, Destiny.

00:02:24.000 Hey, what's up?

00:02:24.000 I'm trying really hard to follow the rules right now, okay?

00:02:26.000 Yeah, alright.

00:02:27.000 Do you want to just tell people who you are?

00:02:28.000 What do you do?

00:02:29.000 You've been on the show before.

00:02:30.000 Yeah, my name is Destiny in Real Life.

00:02:31.000 I go by Stephen Bonnell.

00:02:33.000 You can find me at YouTube.com slash Destiny.

00:02:35.000 And I debate people from a center-left slash progressive position.

00:02:38.000 And that's what I've been doing for about the past six or seven years.

00:02:41.000 And before that I was a StarCraft II semi-professional gamer.

00:02:44.000 Wow.

00:02:44.000 Who are you?

00:02:45.000 Zerg Protoss Terran?

00:02:46.000 Zerg, obviously.

00:02:49.000 I will say this.

00:02:51.000 There's very few people we associate with the left who are willing to come on the show.

00:02:55.000 Most people we encounter, we politely offer, we'll say, like, hey, we'll fly you out, we really want to have a conversation. 0.97

00:03:00.000 I think they're all liars.

00:03:01.000 But what happened to Lance?

00:03:03.000 He's coming.

00:03:03.000 Is he?

00:03:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:03:04.000 The serfs love him.

00:03:06.000 Oh my goodness.

00:03:06.000 Love you, Lance.

00:03:06.000 Yes, we absolutely scheduled him to come on and he said, Hell yeah!

00:03:10.000 And I was like, cool, like, I'm totally down to have anybody who's in the political conversation come on and talk about these ideas.

00:03:16.000 But I gotta be honest, I think a lot of them are just lying, and I do not count you as one of them.

00:03:20.000 I think you actually are intelligent, you have a lot of good points, and I think you just have different opinions, so I think we'll have a good conversation.

00:03:25.000 So thanks for coming, man.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

00:03:27.000 We also have Sean from Uncensored America.

00:03:29.000 Hi, how you doing?

00:03:30.000 Who are you and what do you do?

00:03:32.000 Oh, I give this guy a lot of trouble.

00:03:34.000 That's what I do.

00:03:35.000 My name is Shawn Semenko.

00:03:36.000 I found the free speech organization Uncensored America, and we basically host speaking events on college campuses with anybody that's censored, canceled, or anything in between, honestly.

00:03:46.000 And we're going to have a debate with Stephen and Milo coming up on Christian nationalism at the University of Tennessee.

00:03:51.000 It's going to be in a couple weeks.

00:03:53.000 Wow!

00:03:53.000 That's cool.

00:03:53.000 If you want tickets, go to uncensoredamerica.us, and we'll have some for that.

00:03:57.000 And also Laura Loomer is going to be speaking at the University of South Carolina.

00:04:00.000 Right on, right on.

00:04:01.000 Awesome, man.

00:04:02.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

00:04:03.000 You hit me up at Ian Crossland anywhere on the internet.

00:04:05.000 Good to see you guys.

00:04:06.000 Let's move on.

00:04:06.000 We also have Serge over here.

00:04:08.000 Yo, I am Serge.com.

00:04:10.000 Pleasure, Destiny.

00:04:11.000 It's nice to see you in real life.

00:04:12.000 Let's do this.

00:04:14.000 All right.

00:04:14.000 Before we go much further, because Sean will kill me if I don't bring this up, festival.minds.com.

00:04:18.000 I believe you and I are both doing an event there in a few weeks.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, April 15th.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, in Austin.

00:04:23.000 If you guys want tickets for that, they're still selling tickets.

00:04:25.000 Yes, we're doing a live Tim Cast IRL that Friday, and that's sold out, but the Minds event is the second day at the same location, the Vulcan, and you guys are gonna be there, Ian's gonna be there.

00:04:35.000 I'll be there too, I'll be speaking that day.

00:04:37.000 Yeah, right on.

00:04:37.000 Alright, let's jump into this big breaking news story, ladies and gentlemen, breaking.

00:04:43.000 Manhattan grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump.

00:04:47.000 Trump will be the first former president to be indicted.

00:04:50.000 The grand jury's vote regards an alleged settlement made With adult film actress Stormy Daniels during the former president's 2016 campaign, according to five people with knowledge of the matter per the New York Times, Trump and Daniels allegedly had a sexual encounter in 2006, according to the claim.

00:05:05.000 Trump is the first former president to face criminal charges after office.

00:05:09.000 While the specific charges are currently unknown, an indictment is expected to be announced as Trump

00:05:14.000 will be asked to surrender and face arraignment. A lawyer for the former president confirmed his

00:05:18.000 indictment shortly after the initial announcement, the AP reported. In a March 18th Truth Social

00:05:23.000 Post, Trump said he would be arrested on the 21st and called for people to protest and take

00:05:28.000 our nation back. Okay, so basically after that, they postponed the indictment.

00:05:33.000 Things get delayed.

00:05:34.000 Then a bunch of people who are, you know, conservative but not pro-Trump started saying, Trump's grifting, he's lying, it's not gonna happen.

00:05:40.000 Then today they announced, I think it was today they announced, the grand jury was gonna be suspended for a month.

00:05:44.000 And then all of a sudden, just like a couple hours ago, they announced they voted to indict Donald Trump. 0.99

00:05:49.000 So, obviously, my opinion on this, as we've talked about it before, is this is silly and stupid, but while we have you, man, what do you think? 0.99

00:05:57.000 I mean, if he committed a crime, I think he should have the book thrown at him. 0.99

00:05:59.000 I think generally this is a misdemeanor crime.

00:06:01.000 Usually there's a statute of limitations, but if records were falsified in an attempt to cover up another crime, then the statute of limitations is extended. 0.98

00:06:10.000 But I don't think any of us have seen the indictment yet, so I wait until they unseal the indictment to see how silly or stupid I think it is. 0.96

00:06:15.000 But hey, if he broke the law, I think he should have the book thrown at him. 0.98

00:06:17.000 Even ex-presidents, I don't believe, are above the law.

00:06:20.000 I absolutely agree.

00:06:21.000 I'd like to see more presidents get arrested and charged.

00:06:23.000 Oh, man, you make me nervous, you guys.

00:06:24.000 It's the first time in history a president's ever been indicted.

00:06:28.000 No, I agree.

00:06:29.000 I don't care.

00:06:29.000 If they break the law, then they should be charged.

00:06:32.000 My issue, I suppose, is it seems overtly political.

00:06:36.000 I mean... How can we say that without seeing the indictment?

00:06:39.000 That's a fair point!

00:06:40.000 But you just said that!

00:06:41.000 I said it seems overtly political.

00:06:43.000 It's fair to say we don't know for sure but it seems that way especially considering the dude campaigned on investigating Trump.

00:06:50.000 They spent years and this was the best they could come up with that Cohen paid Stormy Daniels to not write a book or give an interview or whatever about banging Trump and that Trump tried claiming it was legal fees despite the fact that a letter was put out 2018 where Cohen's lawyer said Cohen paid for it out of pocket, was never reimbursed.

00:07:10.000 So I mean like that feels kind of like exculpatory evidence outright which makes this seem political.

00:07:14.000 So do you think that the payments to him that were recorded in the book, do you think that's all fake?

00:07:18.000 So, I don't know.

00:07:20.000 Well, definitely, I'm interested in seeing what, you know, what the reasoning is.

00:07:23.000 I just don't understand why.

00:07:24.000 Because, like, the thing that drives me the craziest, it happens to the Andrew Tate stuff, too, where things will come out and people immediately say, this is political, it's partisan.

00:07:30.000 It's like, why don't I just wait until the indictments come out?

00:07:32.000 And then we can actually see.

00:07:33.000 When the indictments come out, it might be that there's a lot of stuff in there, and it's like, oh, okay, that's fair.

00:07:37.000 And it might be, wow, this is BS.

00:07:38.000 Like, it's obviously political.

00:07:38.000 Because Brad campaigned on doing this.

00:07:41.000 Sure, but I mean, like, people can campaign on all sorts of things, right?

00:07:43.000 Giuliani campaigned on cleaning up New York.

00:07:45.000 But that makes it political.

00:07:46.000 Well, that literally makes it political.

00:07:48.000 If you campaign on, like, enforcing laws, like, is that a political statement?

00:07:51.000 No, he campaigned on investigating Trump.

00:07:53.000 Maybe he thought Trump broke some laws.

00:07:56.000 I mean, it seems like a fair thing to campaign on.

00:07:59.000 Show me the man, I'll show you the law that he broke, right?

00:08:01.000 Well, we're about to see that show once the indictments are unsealed, huh?

00:08:03.000 So here's what I think with the potential of this case.

00:08:07.000 You have a lawyer?

00:08:08.000 I imagine you've gone through legal stuff, right?

00:08:10.000 Not like a dedicated one, but I have a couple, depending on what I'm going through, yeah.

00:08:13.000 Do you go through their itemized invoices?

00:08:16.000 You might, I mean, I don't know if you do or not.

00:08:19.000 I've never made a single payment of over $10,000 to a lawyer, so usually they send me the itemized thing and they bill by every 15 minutes or 10 minutes or whatever.

00:08:27.000 These bills that Trump's paying are over hundreds of thousands of dollars?

00:08:30.000 I think for Cohen, wasn't it like $330,000 or something at the end of the day?

00:08:33.000 Something like that.

00:08:34.000 And so, I really doubt Trump was handed this invoice, looked at it, and said, no, no, we can't say we paid Stormy, that's illegal, let's falsify this record.

00:08:43.000 He probably got a legal bill and was like, just pay him, I don't know, whatever.

00:08:46.000 Right?

00:08:47.000 Didn't Cohen claim that he and Trump had personal conversations about this particular issue?

00:08:51.000 Yes, after the fact.

00:08:52.000 But in 2018, Cohen's lawyer claimed Cohen paid for it personally, without instruction from Trump, and was never reimbursed for it.

00:08:59.000 Sure.

00:08:59.000 Do you think has Cohen claimed otherwise, though?

00:09:01.000 After the fact, yes, Cohen has claimed otherwise.

00:09:04.000 And those claims were under oath, correct?

00:09:07.000 Then he should be charged with perjury, if that's the case.

00:09:09.000 But was the statements by his boss, were those statements under oath?

00:09:13.000 His boss?

00:09:14.000 Or the other lawyer?

00:09:15.000 Yeah, the other lawyer.

00:09:16.000 Were those under oath?

00:09:17.000 I don't know who the letter was filed with.

00:09:20.000 Something that Rosenstein said that I think was really important when he was asked for questioning—this was like three or four years ago, I think—is he would get very irritated when he was brought before Congress and claims of the media—I think Jim Jordan did this to him—claims from the media would be brought before him and they'd say, well, what do you think about this?

00:09:34.000 What do you think about that?

00:09:34.000 And he'd say, well, I don't think that's true.

00:09:36.000 And he's like, do you think they're lying?

00:09:37.000 And something Rosenstein said was, well, if you think they're lying, bring them and have them testify under oath.

00:09:41.000 So I think it's important when we look at people's statements, people will say a lot of things.

00:09:45.000 We saw this with Giuliani and his claims about Trump.

00:09:47.000 People say a lot of things and then when they're under oath, their stories change significantly.

00:09:50.000 So I'd always be cautious to compare statements made under oath to something that some guy might have just said in a letter or said to the press or said to a friend.

00:09:57.000 Who's Rosenstein?

00:09:58.000 I think this was sent to the Federal Election Commission.

00:10:03.000 Maybe, yeah.

00:10:03.000 That's what it says.

00:10:05.000 Via email, Federal Election Commission, Office of Complaints Examination and Legal Administration.

00:10:08.000 Attention, Crystal Dennis.

00:10:10.000 And the letter says that Cohen did it of his own volition.

00:10:13.000 He paid for it out of pocket.

00:10:14.000 He was never reimbursed.

00:10:15.000 So I would put it this way.

00:10:17.000 It seems political when you have a letter like this from years ago, from five years ago.

00:10:22.000 But again, fair point.

00:10:23.000 We'll see what happens.

00:10:24.000 My issue with it for the most part is, really?

00:10:28.000 Falsified record misdemeanor charge.

00:10:30.000 You want to get into the debate about Barack Obama blowing up a kid?

00:10:32.000 Because I would absolutely love to talk about that.

00:10:35.000 Look, if they want to give Trump a misdemeanor charge and lock him up for however many months a misdemeanor gets him, I would absolutely be willing to agree, you're right, he's got to be charged.

00:10:45.000 Next up, Obama, he blew up a kid.

00:10:47.000 I don't know if Obama broke a law.

00:10:50.000 I don't think Americans of any capacity are allowed to kill other Americans.

00:10:54.000 Of any capacity?

00:10:55.000 Don't cops do it all the time? 0.95

00:10:57.000 Not like... I mean, it seems like they're in the service of doing... Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:11:01.000 That's a little bit of a semantic trick you played there, right?

00:11:03.000 Okay.

00:11:04.000 Obviously, you can kill people in self-defense, but Obama bombed a civilian restaurant in Yemen, a country we're not at war with, killing civilians, including a 16-year-old American citizen.

00:11:13.000 Like, you can't—if you're in the military, you can't just—or a cop—you can't just go and kill somebody.

00:11:18.000 Murder.

00:11:18.000 You can't murder somebody.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, but I imagine the justification Obama would use was that this was in defense of U.S.

00:11:23.000 interests or defense of the United States, and in his role as Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States has offered wide deference from the Supreme Court for taking actions in the commission of protecting the United States, even if we disagree with him.

00:11:33.000 Yeah, I think that's criminal.

00:11:34.000 I mean... But that's fine, but there's a different question of, like, is it illegal versus do you think it's criminal, like, bad, right?

00:11:38.000 It's probably bad, I guess, but, like... So the Obama administration's argument was that they were trying to target a terrorist leader, but I'm not... I mean, you make a fair point, but I'd be willing to argue that the president does not have the authority to bomb countries we are not at war with.

00:11:54.000 Well, what about when Trump assassinated Soleimani?

00:11:55.000 That was an assassination.

00:11:56.000 Where was that taking place in?

00:11:58.000 In Iraq.

00:11:59.000 In Iraq, a country we have an AUMF over, an authorization for use of military force.

00:12:03.000 I don't think the authorization for use of military force, I'm pretty sure we were on good terms with Iraq at that point.

00:12:06.000 I don't know if we had the ability to do whatever we wanted in that country.

00:12:09.000 That was a political assassination, though.

00:12:10.000 But there are executive orders that are against the United States.

00:12:12.000 I don't disagree.

00:12:13.000 Sure.

00:12:14.000 I'm just saying that, in general, there's multiple questions going on here.

00:12:16.000 We can say, do we think it's wrong or bad?

00:12:20.000 Probably.

00:12:20.000 I think, generally, the United States president killing American citizens is generally a bad thing, unless there's really good justification for it.

00:12:25.000 But there's a difference between that versus, is it illegal?

00:12:27.000 And I think that the law tends to—we argued about this a little bit before the show—when Trump was doing things at the border that we thought, when I say we progressives and the left got really mad at, the Supreme Court tended to side with him because the president has given wide deference over matters of national security.

00:12:40.000 What was he doing at the border?

00:12:41.000 Um, I think it was when he was using, um, he couldn't get the funding for the border wall.

00:12:45.000 Um, oh, no, no, no.

00:12:46.000 It was over banning certain people coming into the country.

00:12:48.000 Um, when he, he named the, there were seven Muslim-majority countries, and when he was running for president, even Giuliani said, he's trying to find ways to do a Muslim-majority ban.

00:12:57.000 Technically, he's not allowed to do that.

00:12:58.000 Venezuela, North Korea are on that list though.

00:13:00.000 Yeah, well, he changed it up, I think, after the first one didn't go through for whatever reason, but once he did that ban, when people tried to challenge it, the Supreme Court basically said, eh, president, border, he can do almost anything he wants, because it's the president of the border.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, but that's not blowing up a kid.

00:13:12.000 I didn't say it was blowing up a kid, but I was saying that, in general, you would think that, like, when we're talking, like, border, if we're talking about, like, passing policy at the border, that seems like a congressional thing.

00:13:20.000 Like, we should be passing laws about immigration policy.

00:13:22.000 But the president can do that basically all on his own because the Supreme Court's like, hey, he's the president, national security, he can do almost whatever he wants.

00:13:29.000 I think I see the disconnect.

00:13:31.000 I'm less concerned with legality.

00:13:33.000 Okay.

00:13:33.000 I'm only talking legality.

00:13:34.000 Right.

00:13:35.000 So I think that a president who bombs a country we're not at war with should be stripped of his power and criminally charged for killing an American citizen.

00:13:43.000 And it should be literally under the U.S.

00:13:46.000 murder statutes that are covered by multiple state and federal laws.

00:13:51.000 I don't look at it like, well, you know... Is a murder statute, could I, in Tennessee, get arrested if I bomb somebody in Yemen? 0.78

00:13:56.000 Is that a... I don't know what the... I mean, that's a good point.

00:14:00.000 You might, yeah, absolutely.

00:14:01.000 I mean, that might be, like, way worse than murder.

00:14:04.000 It might be terroristic, international, there might... Like, I'm pretty sure if you, as an American citizen, set off a bomb in a foreign country, you'd be criminally charged in the U.S.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, but I don't know if they'd be under state statutes, right?

00:14:14.000 That sounds like something... Federal.

00:14:15.000 International, federal, yeah, maybe...

00:14:17.000 Julian Assange is being criminally charged in the U.S., even though he's not a U.S.

00:14:20.000 citizen who didn't do anything in the United States.

00:14:22.000 Kim Dotcom, for that matter, too.

00:14:23.000 I mean, the dude's never even been... was never in this country, and they went after him, so... I just think that when we... I think it's really important that we separate conversations of what should somebody be charged with versus, like, what do we think is wrong.

00:14:33.000 And I think both conversations are important.

00:14:34.000 We could talk about, like, is this wrong or is it not wrong, and there's probably a good conversation to be had there, but there's a difference between that versus, like, somebody needs to be charged here, because, like, well, charged with what?

00:14:41.000 Is there actually a crime broken, or is it just like we're really upset about this particular thing?

00:14:44.000 Which is fair.

00:14:45.000 Yeah, I think the Patriot Act's insane.

00:14:47.000 And the National Defense Authorization Act, insane.

00:14:50.000 I mean, it really gives the president the authority to bomb an American citizen anywhere in the United States.

00:14:54.000 It doesn't.

00:14:55.000 It gives them the right to rendition anyone, anywhere in the world, and then hold secret tribunals.

00:15:00.000 And I think that's wrong.

00:15:01.000 And I think if we're gonna just play, like, the question of, is it legal?

00:15:06.000 Well, then there's a whole lot of really awful stuff the government's gonna end up doing if we just say, well, they made it legal so they can do it.

00:15:11.000 But they can't.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, but this is what I always fight against, like, when it comes to, like, BLM and everything, too.

00:15:15.000 It's important to change the laws.

00:15:17.000 If we want people to be held accountable, we have to change the laws to reflect what we think our moral will is so that we can actually get people to be held accountable.

00:15:23.000 Because otherwise you just get a bunch of people that are like, this is wrong, do something!

00:15:25.000 It's like, okay, well, I don't know, what do you want us to do?

00:15:26.000 Like, it's not illegal, like, we can't do anything about it, you know?

00:15:28.000 If we changed the law and it made it illegal to bomb kids in Yemen, then we wouldn't be able to charge people that were doing it while it was legal, because it was legal when they did it. 0.94

00:15:37.000 Yeah, probably.

00:15:37.000 But, I mean, do we want to make it so that when we change laws we can retroactively... No, I don't, anyway.

00:15:42.000 Like, we're probably... I don't think we were ever officially at war with Syria, right?

00:15:45.000 No.

00:15:45.000 But Trump bombed the airport, is that like... But again, he's the president, it's our military, like...

00:15:50.000 I guess the other question is, you know, in talking about Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, he wasn't the intended target.

00:15:55.000 The intended target was somebody else, and he had just a few weeks prior killed Anwar al-Awlaki, Abdulrahman's dad.

00:16:01.000 So he kills this guy, who's an American citizen, then argues, well, look, you know, he was a jihadi, he was preaching against the United States, he had to be stopped.

00:16:09.000 But then a few weeks later he targets a civilian restaurant in Yemen, blows up this restaurant with a drone strike, killing Anwar al-Awlaki's son, Abdulrahman.

00:16:18.000 And the response was, well, we were targeting a terror leader, so it's okay.

00:16:22.000 So I guess the question is, I'm curious as to the legalities and the moral standing of One, does the President have the legal authority to kill anyone in any country at any time in the eyes of the United States?

00:16:36.000 If he does and hits the wrong target and kills an innocent American citizen, is there a manslaughter-similar charge for this kind of conflict?

00:16:45.000 I think internationally, unfortunately, I think we just don't tend to hold countries responsible.

00:16:52.000 This has happened multiple times.

00:16:55.000 I'll avoid the USS Liberty example because that's a whole loaded thing.

00:16:58.000 But there was, let's see, I think Iran After we killed Soleimani, in the night or the night after that followed, Iran accidentally shot down, I think, one of their own civilian airliners, and there were no charges, nothing was held for that.

00:17:13.000 In Iran?

00:17:14.000 In Iran, yeah.

00:17:15.000 And they're like authoritarian though, you know?

00:17:17.000 True.

00:17:17.000 No, I'm just saying that internationally, I believe it happened over Ukraine as well.

00:17:20.000 I think that there was a missile launched from Crimea, I believe, that was probably, with the assistance of Russian troops, there was a civilian airliner shot down there, but nothing happened.

00:17:29.000 The United States, I believe, I think we shot down a civilian plane.

00:17:35.000 um that killed like over 150 or over 200 people that might have been um south of iran i think um flying towards saudi arabia maybe and and we didn't do anything about that we said sorry but i think that was like 200 or so somebody said i mean it happens it sucks but i mean precedent internationally is that like sometimes mistakes happen countries do mistakes they're bad and you pay money sometimes but there's usually not like criminal courts for those types of mistakes but it was proven then yeah of course we say um the best i could do on short notice the acl acl you wrote an article saying that it was on lawful Well, if the ACLU said it.

00:18:07.000 No, I mean, yeah.

00:18:08.000 When they said which was unlawful?

00:18:10.000 Not just the killing of Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki, but the other civilians that were killed in these countries were not at war with was.

00:18:17.000 It says the killing program isn't only unlawful, it's unwise.

00:18:20.000 And that's about, you know, on the short term.

00:18:23.000 There have been legal arguments made that Obama does have the right to kill Americans abroad, but I kind of feel like, you know, we've got multiple amendments that afford American citizens a plethora of rights before they can just kill you.

00:18:33.000 So that's where I'm at on the issue, I suppose.

00:18:36.000 Do you still have American rights when you're in another country? 0.96

00:18:39.000 You still pay taxes, so yes, you do.

00:18:41.000 And the State Department will send guys to rescue you if you're kidnapped.

00:18:44.000 Maybe.

00:18:44.000 This is the first I've heard of the USS Liberty that you mentioned earlier.

00:18:47.000 Oh God, no, don't even do it.

00:18:49.000 1967, during the Israeli Six-Day War, they accidentally torpedoed, or they shot down... Yeah, but depending on who you ask, it's not an accident. 0.70

00:18:56.000 That's like a whole can of worms of weird Jewish stuff. 1.00

00:19:00.000 Let's jump to this next story.

00:19:02.000 From TimCast.com, quote, political persecution, election interference at the highest level in history.

00:19:08.000 Trump responds to indictment, will reportedly surrender early next week.

00:19:12.000 Never before in our nation's history has this been done.

00:19:15.000 The statement from Trump.

00:19:16.000 Let's pull it up.

00:19:17.000 Let's read it.

00:19:18.000 Text is kind of small.

00:19:18.000 Here we go, if I can.

00:19:20.000 He writes, this is political persecution and election interference at the highest level in history.

00:19:24.000 From the time I came down the golden escalator at Trump Tower, and even before I was sworn in as your President of the United States, the radical left Democrats, the enemy of hard-working men and women of this country, have been engaged in a witch hunt to destroy the Make America Great Again movement.

00:19:37.000 You remember it just like I do.

00:19:38.000 Russia, Russia, Russia, the Mueller hoax, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, impeachment hoax one, impeachment hoax two, the illegal and unconstitutional Mar-a-Lago raid, and now this.

00:19:47.000 The Democrats have lied, cheated, and stolen in their obsession with trying to get Trump.

00:19:52.000 But now they've done the unthinkable, indicting a completely innocent person in an act of blatant election interference never before in our nation's history.

00:20:00.000 Has this been done?

00:20:02.000 The Democrats have cheated countless times over the decades, including spying on my campaign, but weaponizing our justice system to punish a political opponent who just so happens to be a President of the United States, and by far the leading Republican candidate for President has never happened before, ever.

00:20:16.000 Manhattan D.A.

00:20:17.000 Alvin Bragg, who was handpicked and funded by George Soros, is a disgrace.

00:20:22.000 Rather than stopping the unprecedented crime wave taking over New York City, he's doing Joe Biden's dirty work, ignoring the murders and burglaries and assaults he should be focused on.

00:20:31.000 This is how Bragg spends his time.

00:20:33.000 I believe this witch hunt will backfire massively on Joe Biden.

00:20:35.000 The American people realize exactly what the radical left Democrats are doing here.

00:20:39.000 Everyone can see it.

00:20:40.000 So our movement and our party United and strong will first defeat Alvin Bragg, and then we will defeat Joe Biden, and we are going to throw every last one of these crooked Democrats out of office so we can make America great again.

00:20:53.000 Well, very interesting.

00:20:54.000 What do you think?

00:20:57.000 They better be doing a really good job at that office.

00:21:00.000 I think there's a lot of political consideration that has to go into these charges, because it's a really scary world when your criminal justice system is potentially interfering with an election.

00:21:12.000 Which is something that, despite what some Americans think, that's all of our intelligence agencies try really hard to avoid this exact scenario where you might be indicting or arresting or charging with crimes like somebody that could be running for president.

00:21:23.000 So I hope that whatever they have, I hope when these indictments are unsealed, some really solid stuff, and it's not just a whole bunch of like, you know, Lucy, whatever, that ends up falling apart.

00:21:31.000 What do you think about, he mentions Ukraine.

00:21:34.000 Do you remember the whole Ukrainegate fiasco impeachment?

00:21:36.000 Donald Trump quid pro quo?

00:21:38.000 Yep, I do remember that, yeah.

00:21:40.000 What about it?

00:21:41.000 Am I allowed to say the f-word?

00:21:43.000 After 15 seconds, yeah.

00:21:45.000 I mean, we try to keep it family-friendly.

00:21:46.000 In the first 15 seconds, they demonetize.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, I think that's fine.

00:21:49.000 I'm okay with that impeachment, if that's what you're asking.

00:21:52.000 You think Trump committed a crime?

00:21:53.000 Absolutely.

00:21:54.000 You want to elaborate?

00:21:55.000 I know it's been a long time.

00:21:57.000 It's been a while, but my understanding was that Trump contacted Ukraine, Zelensky, and he was asking if there was wrongdoing done by I think it was by Biden and finding that prosecutor and if they had any information about potential wrongdoings that Hunter Biden or Joe Biden had been involved in in Ukraine.

00:22:12.000 And in exchange for that, he wanted to withhold aid that was already congressionally approved to Ukraine for that.

00:22:18.000 So what's wrong with that?

00:22:19.000 Like, why is that a problem?

00:22:22.000 Um, legally or morally, or... Both, either, whatever you say.

00:22:25.000 Legally, I believe it's because I don't think the president has the authority to withhold that aid.

00:22:29.000 I don't remember what the legal arguments were on that.

00:22:31.000 Um, for the moral part is our president probably shouldn't be asking other countries to investigate, like, wrongdoings of political opponents.

00:22:40.000 That's a really scary moral... But Joe Biden wasn't running for office at the time.

00:22:43.000 Um, I mean, then why was he... Hold on.

00:22:46.000 I'm trying to think of the timeline for this.

00:22:48.000 Yeah, Joe Biden, it was a year before he announced.

00:22:50.000 That was part of the controversy that Joe Biden had not announced he was running for office at all.

00:22:55.000 No, but hold on.

00:22:56.000 He might not have announced it, but I'm pretty sure most people knew he was running.

00:22:59.000 In the early polls, if you looked at a lot of the polling aggregate sites, they were already polling Biden.

00:23:04.000 He'd already been factored in quite a while.

00:23:06.000 They might have announced that he was going to run for office, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people were expecting it.

00:23:09.000 I mean, that's just speculative media stuff.

00:23:12.000 So Trump isn't actively investigating a political opponent, unless the argument is we all secretly knew that was going to be the case.

00:23:19.000 Like Bernie Sanders was still in the race.

00:23:21.000 There were a bunch of other people.

00:23:22.000 At the time, the controversy was like, why Joe Biden?

00:23:25.000 There were other Democrats that were actually talking about running and it wasn't Joe Biden.

00:23:28.000 He announced late.

00:23:29.000 He did announce late, but he was still factored into the polls really early because, like, a lot of people thought he was going to run.

00:23:33.000 The question is, though, is do we want the president contacting other—even if he's not running, he is still the type of political opponent, right?

00:23:39.000 What if the vice president did the same thing?

00:23:40.000 Is that— If the vice president was—I think that anytime you're reaching out—like, let's ask, if we pull back on a macro level, why is Trump asking this information?

00:23:47.000 Does he genuinely think that there's been some grave wrongdoing done by the Bidens that needs to be corrected for?

00:23:52.000 Yeah.

00:23:52.000 And if so, why isn't he asking our intelligence agencies for information about this?

00:23:55.000 Why is he going to another country and asking?

00:23:57.000 I mean, I don't... We have the Five Eye Spy Club.

00:24:00.000 We do that all the time.

00:24:02.000 We don't do that all the time.

00:24:03.000 Going to another leader and saying, hey, I need you to get dirt on a potential political opponent because I think you're something... He wasn't a political opponent.

00:24:10.000 He was the vice president of the former opposite party guy that he just... as he came into office.

00:24:17.000 What do you mean?

00:24:17.000 He's some kind of political opponent, right?

00:24:19.000 Even if he wasn't directly running yet.

00:24:21.000 I would argue, if he was asking to sue for AOC, for instance, I would say that it's similar.

00:24:24.000 Trump didn't go to the president of Ukraine and say, I got this political opponent I need dirt on.

00:24:30.000 He said, what's up with this video of Joe Biden threatening to withhold congressionally approved aid unless you take action on his behalf?

00:24:38.000 And the president of Ukraine was like, I'm not sure he was.

00:24:40.000 Well, can you look into that?

00:24:41.000 I want to know what that's about.

00:24:43.000 It wasn't just, can you look into that?

00:24:44.000 It was, if you don't find what I need, I might withhold aid that's already been congressionally approved for you.

00:24:50.000 That was the issue.

00:24:51.000 If he was just asking questions, we wouldn't be having the conversation.

00:24:54.000 He would have been impeached, right?

00:24:55.000 So this is the point that I'm getting at.

00:24:56.000 When this started, and Donald Trump asked about this, specifically because there was a viral video of Joe Biden outright admitting to threatening to withhold congressionally approved aid unless a prosecutor got fired, you had Joe Biden breaking the law.

00:25:10.000 Sure, so there was a video of Joe Biden on stage making the claim slash joke on stage where he's saying, I told him if you don't do it, you're not going to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:25:20.000 But in terms of him like, well, but in terms of there actually being a serious offer on the table, where he was like threatening to withhold aid, I'm not even sure if that was ever the case.

00:25:27.000 We have that one statement that he was made public.

00:25:29.000 Victor Shokin signed a sworn affidavit that that's what happened.

00:25:31.000 Sure, number one.

00:25:32.000 Number two, the impetus for Shokin being removed from Ukraine was not to get some kind of political dirt on an opponent. 0.86

00:25:40.000 It was a completely different scenario.

00:25:42.000 This is a prosecutor that all of Europe and over half of Ukraine wanted fired, that the United States was acting on behalf of the Western world and trying to pressure this prosecutor out because of his lack of prosecuting corruption in the country.

00:25:53.000 That's a totally different thing then.

00:25:54.000 I threaten to withhold aid from this guy because he's not giving me dirt on potential political opponents.

00:25:58.000 So why is it that the guy who was being investigated, Mykola Zlochevsky, returned to the country?

00:26:03.000 He had fled when Shokin was investigating him, and then after Joe Biden got Shokin removed, Zlochevsky returned to the country to begin working on Burisma again. 0.60

00:26:12.000 Why did he return to the country? I could have been for any number of reasons. I'm not sure.

00:26:16.000 Right. So the argument from the Democrats, the specific corruption that wasn't being

00:26:20.000 prosecuted, referring to is the prosecution of Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder of Burisma.

00:26:24.000 Okay.

00:26:24.000 And the argument they made was he wasn't investigating him.

00:26:27.000 That was the problem.

00:26:28.000 And then Joe Biden says, and we got him out. And then they put in someone solid.

00:26:33.000 The only issue is when Shokin had about a dozen active investigations into Burisma and Zlochevsky,

00:26:38.000 Zlochevsky fled the country.

00:26:40.000 They tried, they froze his account.

00:26:41.000 When Biden came in and got the prosecutor fired, Zlochevsky safely returned to Ukraine without fear of criminal prosecution.

00:26:47.000 When Donald Trump made that phone call, Zlochevsky fled again.

00:26:51.000 So it sounds more like you've got Hunter Biden on the board of Burisma, you've got a former CIA director on the board of Burisma, and Zlochevsky, the founder, and Shokin had around 12 to 14.

00:27:04.000 All of the investigations into Burisma were dead.

00:27:06.000 No, that's not true.

00:27:07.000 Wrong.

00:27:07.000 It was absolutely true.

00:27:08.000 Completely false.

00:27:09.000 They were only revived one month before Shokin was forced out.

00:27:12.000 Every single one of those probes was completely dead.

00:27:15.000 That's wrong.

00:27:16.000 You can Google it and look for it if you want.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, so I'm citing Matt Taibbi.

00:27:21.000 Oh God.

00:27:21.000 Right, and if you don't want to trust a journalist or whatever.

00:27:25.000 Or like any actual article, not a tweet.

00:27:27.000 I'm not talking about a tweet, I'm talking about an article that he wrote breaking down what happened with Ukraine and his investigation into Tlachevsky, and this is from like 2017 or whatever.

00:27:35.000 Okay, so your claim is that the probes into Burisma never went cold and never died, that they were active the entire time?

00:27:41.000 They were active the entire time, right.

00:27:43.000 Okay.

00:27:43.000 My understanding is that those probes were all cold and all dead, and it was part of the reason— Well, hold on.

00:27:47.000 You said dead before nice and cold.

00:27:49.000 It's the same thing.

00:27:49.000 They weren't being actively worked on.

00:27:51.000 So— There were probes, but nobody was doing anything with them until— It was one month before Shoken was actually ousted that there was some progress started to be made on those.

00:27:56.000 So the— That's a very difficult question to get into.

00:28:00.000 The fact is, there were active investigations.

00:28:02.000 Well, but that's kind of the meat of what we're talking about, right?

00:28:04.000 Well, so— It's kind of important to settle the fact of the matter on that, yeah.

00:28:07.000 Were there 12 investigations, yes or no?

00:28:10.000 I know that there were investigations open for a couple years, but my understanding is they were open.

00:28:13.000 That's all that matters.

00:28:14.000 It's not all that matters.

00:28:15.000 They were dead investigations, and there wasn't any progress being made on them.

00:28:18.000 That's what I read that was reported.

00:28:19.000 Right, right.

00:28:19.000 My point is this.

00:28:20.000 But that's pretty important, because if they were being actively investigated, then that obviously changes a little bit the story that we're telling, right?

00:28:24.000 So, did Shokin have investigations into Burisma and Slotchevsky?

00:28:28.000 Yes.

00:28:29.000 He had about a dozen.

00:28:30.000 But whether or not the investigations were live or dead, isn't that important?

00:28:32.000 You don't think so?

00:28:33.000 Did Slotchevsky flee the country while these were on the books?

00:28:38.000 Yes, he did.

00:28:40.000 When Shokin was removed and the investigations were officially stricken, Zlotchevsky returns. 0.96

00:28:45.000 So do you think that there are criminal wrongdoings that he's done that he's not being prosecuted for?

00:28:50.000 What I think is that the United States is in an energy crisis, in a war with Eastern powers.

00:28:57.000 The United States has been trying to get a pipeline for natural gas called the Qatar-Turkey pipeline into Europe, but Syria said no.

00:29:03.000 Syria destabilizes for whatever reason.

00:29:05.000 We want to run that pipeline through Syria, through Turkey, into Europe to offset the Gazprom gas monopoly.

00:29:11.000 Russia runs natural gas into Europe through Ukraine through gas promise about 20%.

00:29:15.000 It's massively powerful for them and allows them to control prices.

00:29:18.000 The United States has interests in setting up an energy company to offset that monopoly,

00:29:23.000 hence Burisma. Hunter Biden's on the board, probably for these reasons,

00:29:26.000 a former CIA director, probably for these reasons.

00:29:28.000 Was Burisma one of the smaller gas companies in that country?

00:29:32.000 And it seems like the U.S.

00:29:32.000 Absolutely.

00:29:33.000 was trying to compete with Russia to get cheaper gas to Europe.

00:29:37.000 And the argument made was that Europe was constrained by high gas prices from Russia, and that we wanted the European economy to be bolstered and grow faster to compete with China, but Russia was basically keeping us pinned down.

00:29:47.000 Sure.

00:29:48.000 This is nice conjecture, but like, is there anything backing up any of this?

00:29:51.000 Aside from like... This is all the official reporting.

00:29:53.000 What do you mean by official reporting?

00:29:54.000 There was official reporting that we got rid of Shokin because we wanted to bolster U.S. 0.95

00:29:58.000 interests.

00:29:58.000 That's the only speculation I have.

00:30:00.000 I'm saying based on the facts, it seems to me the issue was Shokin did have investigations into Burisma, which was a problem for U.S.

00:30:07.000 interests, not because of corruption, but because it's more of a war front.

00:30:12.000 Do you think that Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor?

00:30:14.000 No.

00:30:15.000 Why did all of Europe and a lot of Ukraine hate him?

00:30:15.000 Okay.

00:30:17.000 Because Europe wants cheap gas.

00:30:20.000 Shoken was impeding that.

00:30:21.000 It's not an issue of corruption, it's an issue of conflicting interests.

00:30:24.000 He was impeding it how?

00:30:25.000 So active investigations into Burisma are impeding U.S.

00:30:29.000 interests in competing with Gazprom.

00:30:30.000 Burisma isn't even the largest gas player in that country, though.

00:30:33.000 That's not the point.

00:30:33.000 We don't have the Qatar Turkey pipeline into Ukraine because Syria blocked it.

00:30:37.000 So you have a multi-front effort going back to, I think, like the 2000s to get cheaper natural gas into Europe.

00:30:43.000 So of course they're not going to like anybody who's got eastern allegiances.

00:30:46.000 It's possible that with Ukraine you had in the eastern part of the country more pro-Russia sentiment.

00:30:52.000 With Yanukovych you had more pro-Russia sentiment.

00:30:55.000 And you had government officials that were like, look, We're not just pro-West.

00:30:59.000 Of course, then he gets ousted.

00:31:00.000 There's unrest.

00:31:02.000 What do you mean?

00:31:03.000 For Yanukovych, though, Yanukovych was standing alone with that pro-Russian status, though.

00:31:08.000 That wasn't all the government officials.

00:31:10.000 Part of the reasons why people were so upset with Yanukovych was because he was trying to push for Russia in opposition to what their parliament was even pushing for.

00:31:16.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:31:18.000 He wasn't the only person.

00:31:19.000 The sentiment was fairly split, but was leaning towards the EU.

00:31:23.000 Had been voted on by their parliament to favor the EU.

00:31:25.000 That was what the vote was for.

00:31:26.000 And so the way I see it is, there are probably elements of that government that were more favorable to Russia, which is why Europe doesn't like them.

00:31:33.000 The people, Ukrainians who want to be a part of the EU and members of the EU who want Ukraine to join, because they want more control over natural gas, of course naturally would oppose anybody who is siding with Russia.

00:31:42.000 Do you think that Ukraine was a corrupt country prior to 2014?

00:31:45.000 Yes.

00:31:47.000 I mean it's do you think so when so for all of Europe and for everybody complaining about the corruption and stuff relating to Shokin, you think that all of that was BS and they just didn't like him because he was preventing their cheap oil or cheap gas? 0.94

00:31:47.000 Okay. 0.94

00:31:59.000 Say that one more time.

00:32:00.000 You think that all of the upsettedness that people across Europe and Ukraine had with Shokin I can only speak on a surface level about this one particular issue because I don't know the inner workings of all of Ukrainian politics.

00:32:17.000 But what I do know is there has been a tremendous effort by Western forces leading to outright physical military conflict to get natural gas into Europe to offset Russia's control of gas prices.

00:32:28.000 Naturally, it seems like these things are related.

00:32:31.000 Speculative.

00:32:32.000 The facts are, the U.S.

00:32:34.000 went to Syria and said, can we build the Qatar-Turkey pipeline?

00:32:37.000 Syria literally said to the United States, that would be bad for our ally, Russia, so we will not allow it.

00:32:43.000 Fortunately for us, for whatever reason, Syria falls into civil war and we just happened to oppose the guy who denied that.

00:32:50.000 I don't think the whole reason for opposing it has to do with gas, but it's convenient for us nonetheless.

00:32:54.000 We weren't able to do it, and to make it worse, Iran wanted to tap the same natural gas field and send the gas through Iraq and Turkey into Europe to strengthen Russia's control of energy.

00:33:06.000 So the argument was the EU is trying to grow and become a unified bloc to compete with the growth of China, and Russia was basically impeding us because Russia wants to be their own big dog, right?

00:33:16.000 Sure.

00:33:18.000 Man, if you ever wanted to revisit a detailed breakdown of this, I'd be interested to do a little bit of reading prior to this, but let's say hypothetically I grant you all of that.

00:33:25.000 Why didn't Trump say any of that?

00:33:27.000 Trump doesn't know what the hell's going on.

00:33:29.000 Okay, so the impetus for this whole conversation of Trump pressuring them to find out if any wrongdoings happened had nothing to do with anything you just laid out.

00:33:40.000 It was just having to do with Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.

00:33:42.000 It had to do with him seeing a video and then seeing people and post memes.

00:33:46.000 Probably, to be completely honest, it was Tucker Carlson.

00:33:48.000 Sure.

00:33:49.000 But it was a little bit more than just asking questions, because if he was just curious, I don't think that the question of aid being withheld would have ever been brought up in that conversation.

00:33:56.000 So clearly there was a little bit—you're saying that Biden wasn't seen as a political opponent at all, but if that was the case, I don't know why Trump would go so far to try to solicit information from the Ukrainian government such that he would withhold aid or threaten to withhold aid in exchange for some information about him.

00:34:10.000 Seems like a random politician to target, like, why would he be so dead set on getting information about Biden?

00:34:15.000 He hates the Democrats.

00:34:16.000 They were calling him a Russian spy.

00:34:19.000 I think there's a little bit more.

00:34:20.000 I think it has to be a little bit more than that.

00:34:21.000 Revenge to throw away, to get impeached.

00:34:23.000 I mean, you can think that, but I don't even care all that much about the speculation as to why he did it, right?

00:34:28.000 If you want to argue, you can, but it's not... Well, I think that's probably one of the most important parts.

00:34:32.000 That is the most important part, is why he did it.

00:34:34.000 But you have to make assumptions to get to that point.

00:34:36.000 If he's asking for dirt specifically with respect to a political opponent, I'm making assumptions?

00:34:42.000 I feel like there's a lot more assumptions being made on your end that he was just genuinely interested in what Joe Biden had said and was threatening to withhold aid because he wanted a legitimate investigation of the firing of a prosecutor.

00:34:51.000 I feel like it's pretty legitimate.

00:34:52.000 What we know is that he said, what's going on with this video, I want to see some action on this or else, right?

00:34:59.000 I feel like there was a little bit more said than that, but I don't remember because it's been a long time.

00:35:04.000 Sure, but I feel like the specific requests he was making for information are probably pretty important.

00:35:07.000 I can look up exactly what the charges are alleged, but it's been a while.

00:35:10.000 So I guess the reason I bring it up is not to just debate Trump or whatever, but to ask the question of Should we indict Joe Biden for doing the same thing?

00:35:19.000 I don't believe Joe Biden did the same thing, though.

00:35:21.000 The request and who it was on behalf of was far different than... But Joe Biden does not have the authority to threaten to withhold congressional approval.

00:35:26.000 I don't know if Joe Biden actually threatened to withhold aid.

00:35:28.000 He admitted on camera that he did.

00:35:30.000 He said something on camera that I don't know if that's what he actually did. 0.99

00:35:33.000 He literally said on camera, I told him, I don't know if Biden admitted to a crime there or if he was just talking shit. 0.97

00:35:37.000 the billion dollars and he said you don't have the authority to do that I 1.00

00:35:39.000 said call the president ask him see what he says well son of a bitch six hours 1.00

00:35:43.000 later he's fired Trump also said on camera they could shoot somebody on 6th 1.00

00:35:46.000 Street and I got arrested for it but that's different from admitting to do

00:35:48.000 committed crimes I don't know if Biden admitted to a crime there or if he was 0.98

00:35:51.000 just talking shit Biden also was in front of an audience saying that he had 0.99

00:35:53.000 what like 170 IQ and graduated from Harvard Law right He obviously didn't do that. 0.99

00:35:58.000 So I don't know when Biden is on stage like, I told him I was gonna withhold it.

00:35:58.000 Right.

00:36:01.000 I don't know if he's just like, you know, he got his big boy pants on. 1.00

00:36:03.000 He's talking shit. 1.00

00:36:04.000 He actually did do that. 1.00

00:36:05.000 And he didn't have the authority to do it.

00:36:06.000 And it was on behalf of some selfish motive or whatever, then yeah, I think there should obviously be an investigation.

00:36:10.000 But the fact that there's never been an official statement confirming that there's never been any side from the Ukrainian officials confirming that Maybe there should be!

00:36:16.000 Everything relating to that, yeah, but every time Republicans say there should be and they go and look, they find nothing, okay?

00:36:21.000 But whether it's Benghazi, whether it's Hillary's emails, whether it's a lot of Dr. Biden stuff— We know that Hillary's email stuff is—was there.

00:36:28.000 That's not even— We don't know if Hillary Clinton gave a command to delete stuff that shouldn't have been deleted to impede an investigation.

00:36:33.000 We don't know that.

00:36:34.000 We never found information about it, which is what the charge would have been for.

00:36:36.000 Sure, sure.

00:36:37.000 We know that she had a server with 35,000 emails on it.

00:36:39.000 We know that her staff smashed hammers.

00:36:41.000 We know that one of her staffers, I guess, he went on Reddit and he said, how can I purge emails with someone's name on it or something like that?

00:36:48.000 And like, I think, didn't he get charged or something?

00:36:48.000 Sure.

00:36:50.000 I don't know.

00:36:51.000 I think it was granted immunity in exchange for information.

00:36:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy, right?

00:36:54.000 I remember when that happened, like, some dude on Reddit found the account, and they were like, I think this guy works for Hillary.

00:36:58.000 Sure, but the crime that we were looking for was whether or not Hillary Clinton ordered classified emails to be deleted, which doesn't seem like that was—we spent a whole lot of time talking about that.

00:37:07.000 And for all the complaining that we do about a judge indicting Trump or intelligence agencies interfering in elections, Comey coming out and making the statements that he did about Hillary Clinton were not only unprecedented, but also potentially election-altering, too.

00:37:18.000 So, I mean— Do you think— Barack Obama ordering a drone strike that killed an American citizen.

00:37:23.000 Warrants an investigation of that?

00:37:26.000 There might have already been an investigation.

00:37:27.000 I don't know what the vetting process inside of orders from the government.

00:37:31.000 Whether there was or wasn't, do you think there should have been?

00:37:33.000 Yeah, there probably always should be when there's collateral damage.

00:37:37.000 Didn't it happen?

00:37:39.000 Was it in Afghanistan or Pakistan?

00:37:41.000 Wasn't there a hospital that we accidentally bombed like a year and a half ago, I think, where I think like 20 or 30 people died and it was all civilians?

00:37:47.000 Like, yeah, anytime something like that happens, there should obviously be some type of oversight.

00:37:50.000 But that's different between, like, there needs to be a criminal charge for an intentionally destructive act done, right?

00:37:55.000 Do you agree that there's a world of difference between, um, Biden ordered an American citizen killed overseas versus American citizen dies as a result of collateral damage from a drone strike?

00:38:03.000 Those two things are worlds apart, right?

00:38:05.000 Well, the added context is we're not at war with this country and it doesn't matter.

00:38:09.000 Even if we are at war with the country, they're still worlds apart, right?

00:38:13.000 So we'll slow down for a second.

00:38:15.000 Sure, my question is very simply.

00:38:16.000 The authority granted to the president does not extend to bombing any random country.

00:38:21.000 Well, it seems like that's not where we're at legally right now, right?

00:38:24.000 I think it's not where we're at because the American people don't do anything about it.

00:38:29.000 Did we vote in Congress to bomb the Syrian airport when Trump returned fire for whatever gas attacks?

00:38:35.000 No, but I think there's something different to an active war zone we do have troops on the ground in, and I don't agree with Trump firing... Yeah, but we're not at war with Syria.

00:38:42.000 We have ground troops.

00:38:43.000 We haven't declared a war since World War II.

00:38:46.000 I don't agree... Sure, but we didn't even have a U.S.

00:38:48.000 Senate use of... I don't agree with Trump's firing of... Sure, I'm just saying that, like, if an American citizen, Let's jump to this next story from the Tampa Bay Times.

00:38:56.000 DeSantis says Florida will not assist in possible Trump extradition after indictment.

00:38:58.000 So it seems like when you're asking me a moral question versus a legal question, those are two different things.

00:39:02.000 If you're asking me legally, it seems like that seems to be that the president can indeed order drone strikes on places

00:39:06.000 that were not at war with.

00:39:07.000 That seems to be where we're at legally right now. Morally, should he be able to?

00:39:10.000 I don't know. I don't know what the justification is for that, but...

00:39:12.000 Let's jump to this next story from the Tampa Bay Times.

00:39:14.000 DeSantis says Florida will not assist in possible Trump extradition after indictment.

00:39:19.000 The Florida governor weighed in on Twitter.

00:39:22.000 He said, the weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda turns the rule of law on its head.

00:39:27.000 It is un-American. 0.86

00:39:28.000 The Soros-backed Manhattan DA has consistently bent the law to downgrade felonies and to excuse criminal misconduct.

00:39:35.000 Yet now he is, and there's a second tweet here.

00:39:38.000 Where is it at?

00:39:40.000 Wait.

00:39:40.000 Oh, okay.

00:39:41.000 Yet now he is stretching the law to target a political opponent.

00:39:43.000 Florida will not assist in an extradition request given the questionable circumstances at issue with the Soros-backed Manhattan prosecutor and his political agenda.

00:39:52.000 Uh, what are your thoughts?

00:39:54.000 Is he actually Soros-backed?

00:39:56.000 I think so.

00:39:57.000 Or was it that, like, because I thought that the actual thing was, like, George Soros, uh, contributed to a PAC that has also contributed to him.

00:40:05.000 I think it's a little different, but regardless.

00:40:07.000 But even outside of that, I mean, Ron DeSantis saying, we're not going to allow, what is he saying?

00:40:11.000 We're not going to extradite, right?

00:40:12.000 Is what it sounds like.

00:40:13.000 Well, you know, did he even really say that?

00:40:16.000 He said, we'll not assist in the extradition.

00:40:18.000 It's like a pretty tepid statement, to be completely honest.

00:40:20.000 So, I don't even know if there's an actual question to be asked.

00:40:24.000 Should Florida assist in the extradition?

00:40:26.000 Like, does it matter?

00:40:26.000 Well, it kind of matters.

00:40:29.000 I think it matters based on the precedent of the crime.

00:40:31.000 If this is a crime that they wouldn't normally extradite for, then they probably don't have an obligation to, right?

00:40:36.000 I don't think California would extradite me if I had an outstanding speeding ticket in Iowa.

00:40:39.000 This might be a similar thing where they don't extradite me.

00:40:42.000 But if somebody did a double homicide and Florida was like, we're not going to extradite

00:40:46.000 him, that would probably be a pretty big deal. But I don't know if a crime like this, if an extradition

00:40:49.000 is ordinary or not.

00:40:50.000 Donald Trump, what's the charge? That he falsified a legal bill?

00:40:55.000 Well, it's that he falsified a legal bill, but it has to be something more than that, right?

00:41:01.000 Because that charge in and of itself is a misdemeanor that the statute of limitations would have expired on.

00:41:05.000 So it's that he falsified that legal bill in the commission or the obscurement of another crime.

00:41:10.000 I think it's related to election stuff.

00:41:12.000 The argument was that it pertained to campaign finance or they use campaign funds to do it or something like that.

00:41:17.000 Because Cohen billed Trump campaign or whatever.

00:41:22.000 I guess we'll see when the indictment comes out if they're stretching this up to a felony.

00:41:25.000 My view is it's all overtly political and this country is being ripped to shreds.

00:41:30.000 So I don't know if it really matters whether DeSantis is going to do anything or not.

00:41:35.000 Whether we can have a debate about it or not, no one's going to agree.

00:41:38.000 The end result is just going to be people on the right saying that Trump is being politically persecuted and people on the left saying it's justice.

00:41:44.000 Well, it only matters for the primary because DeSantis this whole time has been trying to position himself as Trump without the bad stuff.

00:41:51.000 That's sort of his whole brand.

00:41:53.000 But as you go into this more and more, you're going to see that DeSantis really isn't a Trump guy.

00:41:58.000 He's going to try and make his own brand of sort of Trumpism, but with some other stuff.

00:42:03.000 And I think a lot of the hardcore Trump people, like myself, I mean, I was a day one 2016 supporter, right?

00:42:07.000 When he came down the Golden Escalade, I was already sold.

00:42:10.000 But a lot of people that I know in DC or in sort of these other circles, they think, oh, well, we should move on from Trump.

00:42:15.000 It's time for DeSantis to take over.

00:42:17.000 But I mean, the reality is this whole thing is only going to help Trump.

00:42:21.000 I think the mugshot.

00:42:23.000 It's going to be on t-shirts.

00:42:24.000 It's going to be art.

00:42:25.000 People are going to love it.

00:42:26.000 On the left, they're loving it because they think, oh, we finally got him.

00:42:29.000 We got the handcuffs on Donald Trump.

00:42:31.000 On the right, they're just going to think he's a martyr.

00:42:33.000 Can I play this video from Dash Dabrowski?

00:42:35.000 Yeah.

00:42:36.000 I think I got to turn it down.

00:42:39.000 Big news!

00:42:40.000 Donald Trump has been indicted in Manhattan!

00:42:44.000 The grand jury just voted to indict Donald Trump for his hush money payments to Stormy Daniels.

00:42:50.000 This is big news!

00:42:54.000 Big news!

00:42:54.000 I don't know if he realizes, like if he's in control of his moods, when he goes, uh, what is he, uh, been indicted, he tilts his head forward and he gets shadow under his eyes and looks real villainous for a second.

00:43:05.000 What is it called, the Kubrick stare or whatever?

00:43:06.000 Comes back up, yeah, it's awesome!

00:43:08.000 I'm sorry, I think it's highly entertaining.

00:43:12.000 I mean, obviously.

00:43:12.000 It's an act.

00:43:13.000 He's been doing this for money. 0.94

00:43:14.000 When it comes to stuff like this, I think it's really important that you mentally swap the people out in your head to figure out how you feel about it, because we have a huge problem right now in this country with actually having principal positions on any fucking issue whatsoever. 0.83

00:43:26.000 So I think that when people are trying to think like, should Trump get arrested for this?

00:43:30.000 Like, think like, if it was Hillary Clinton, would you feel the same?

00:43:32.000 If it was AOC, would you feel the same?

00:43:34.000 If it was DeSantis, would you feel the same?

00:43:35.000 I think it's really important to do these mental swaps to check for honesty, to make sure that it's not just like you said, like all partisan politics at the end of the day.

00:43:41.000 I agree.

00:43:41.000 Especially when legal systems are involved.

00:43:43.000 I agree, but I don't think it's principles.

00:43:45.000 I don't think anyone's principled at all.

00:43:48.000 But I'm not saying that from like a dejected, you know, sense or like, you know, I'm jaded and blackmailed.

00:43:56.000 I'm saying it that people genuinely don't understand the moral philosophies around principles and their positions.

00:44:02.000 So the example I often give is When it came to Florida on the Parental Rights and Education Bill, you had conservatives being like, parents have the final say in whether or not their kids are being exposed to this stuff and whether or not their kids are going to get these treatments.

00:44:14.000 The teachers have no right to withhold that information from the parents.

00:44:18.000 And then my response is, in Washington, they completely agree.

00:44:22.000 That the parents have final say.

00:44:24.000 So when the parent says the child should get sex change surgery, the government should not be allowed to intervene to stop it.

00:44:30.000 You see the point?

00:44:31.000 The principle is the same.

00:44:33.000 Should parents have final say, but both conservatives and left liberals or whatever position have a differing view of when it should be allowed.

00:44:41.000 When it comes to a child deciding they are trans, the left passes laws saying they can withhold that from parents.

00:44:48.000 When it comes to parents wanting to give their children sex change surgery, conservatives argue the state should intervene to stop that.

00:44:55.000 So, which is it, right?

00:44:58.000 People don't have principles, they have moral foundations.

00:45:00.000 And they have lines that they're willing to cross or not cross.

00:45:03.000 And so, both sides will argue, my principle is X, but it does not apply.

00:45:08.000 That's my point.

00:45:09.000 Do better.

00:45:09.000 Sure.

00:45:11.000 I don't think there's a do better or there's a bad.

00:45:14.000 It's quite literally, if two factions of people have different moral standards, that's it.

00:45:21.000 Yeah, but I think the problem is not being honest about those moral standards.

00:45:24.000 I think that's the issue, because when we argue for certain principles, I think everybody ends up... At the end of the day, we're all attacking the shadows and the ghosts of the people that we're arguing against, because nobody actually believes in a lot of the things they're saying, and that hurts our ability to actually move the conversation forward.

00:45:37.000 Like, there's a lot of people, for instance—I think I even saw this on your Twitter, I don't remember the tweets—there was a lot of conservatives that fucking hated red flag laws, and now after this trans shooting, a whole bunch of conservatives are like, well, should mentally ill people have guns? 0.95

00:45:49.000 I'm not actually sure. 0.97

00:45:50.000 And it's like, what changed?

00:45:51.000 And that's exactly my point.

00:45:53.000 Is that the principles don't apply to most people, left or right.

00:45:57.000 Sure.

00:45:58.000 But then there are principles there, you just have to dig a little bit deeper. 1.00

00:46:01.000 So like for some conservatives, people are just like, fuck trans people, I don't want them to have any rights. 1.00

00:46:05.000 Rather than like, I don't agree with like red flag laws. 0.99

00:46:09.000 And we just have to get to like the deeper positions where they actually are so we can fight against those positions.

00:46:14.000 See my thing with red flag laws is I'm completely in favor of them so long as they have an adversarial due process. 0.83

00:46:19.000 The problem with red flag laws literally is that they're non-adversarial.

00:46:23.000 It's like someone can go to a judge, the judge can issue a writ and just come and take your guns.

00:46:27.000 Whereas due process requires your rights to confront an accuser, to file a rebuttal, to say no, and then actually have a chance to have proper adjudication.

00:46:35.000 So I used to not be in favor of it until it was actually conservatives who argued that through due process your rights can be curtailed.

00:46:41.000 Hence, like being put in prison.

00:46:43.000 If you break the law and then a court gives you due process and says you broke the law, we can literally lock you in a box and take everything away from you.

00:46:49.000 And I'm like, okay, fair point.

00:46:50.000 In that case, if you're mentally ill and then someone files a claim saying you're a risk to yourself and a harm to yourself or others, then you should have the right to receive a notice in the mail, answer that claim, reject it, and then have a judge actually issue a standard due process.

00:47:06.000 If you're in prison, you can't have guns.

00:47:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:09.000 So if there is some standard by which we believe you are a threat and you are going to cause harm, then you have a right to challenge that in court, same as any other criminal charge you have.

00:47:19.000 And then if you lose, come take your case.

00:47:20.000 Sure.

00:47:21.000 And I think that that is a defensible—that argument is defensible. 0.54

00:47:25.000 But it's not defensible if it only comes up when a trans person goes on a shooting spree. 1.00

00:47:28.000 I completely agree.

00:47:29.000 And it seems like there's a lot of arguments against red flag laws that are still standing.

00:47:36.000 Those arguments didn't go away.

00:47:38.000 I'm probably against red flag laws.

00:47:39.000 I lean slightly against them just because I feel like it makes it so hard. 0.97

00:47:43.000 If you're a guy that likes guns and you've got mental issues, man, going to a therapist becomes really fucking scary. 0.90

00:47:48.000 Because what if you get a diagnosis that is now precluding you from owning firearms? 0.95

00:47:52.000 uh... and now you've got a shop in court and you've got a fight a judge for your 0.73

00:47:55.000 second right which is very important one in the united states

00:47:57.000 uh... that gets harry and depending on how people you know represent red flag

00:48:01.000 laws of what type of pushing for yet it is a really scary thing but uh... yeah i i think

00:48:07.000 that that that's a good point as a challenge

00:48:09.000 it reminds me of the uh... they were myself uh... uh... to get a job or

00:48:13.000 Yeah.

00:48:13.000 It's like that scene with the, you know, saying the women carry guns, and she's in front of Congress, and she's like, well, you know, if you don't want women to carry guns because you're worried about what's going to happen, then you either have to ban all guns, or you've got to let women do it, and they like ban all guns.

00:48:23.000 It's like, okay.

00:48:24.000 Well, that's kind of what it feels like happened with the transgender thing, after the shooting. 0.99

00:48:28.000 Reporters are like, all of a sudden, they're like, well, maybe it is really important that we look at the mental health of people that have guns, and like, everyone in the left is like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:48:34.000 Well, like, yeah, of course, but... 0.98

00:48:36.000 Well, I agree.

00:48:36.000 I think if someone goes on Prozac, you could argue that they're not mentally well for a gun.

00:48:39.000 If someone's an alcoholic, you could argue. 0.99

00:48:41.000 That's like 25% of fucking Americans at this point, though. 1.00

00:48:43.000 Yeah, it is. 0.99

00:48:44.000 Pharmaceuticals, any of that.

00:48:45.000 That's scary.

00:48:46.000 And there's another interesting thing.

00:48:47.000 I talk about when I was in L.A., in Venice, and you got those guys selling weed cards.

00:48:52.000 And they're like, I'm walking down the street, going to the skate park, and this guy goes, yo, yo, yo, yo, man, you got your weed card yet?

00:48:57.000 You got your weed card?

00:48:57.000 And I'm like, nah, nah, nah, I don't have a weed card.

00:48:58.000 And he's like, why not?

00:48:59.000 Why don't you have your weed card?

00:49:00.000 And I'm like, I don't need one.

00:49:01.000 He's like, I'm not sick, and he goes, oh, you skateboard, right?

00:49:04.000 And I'm like, yeah.

00:49:04.000 He's like, don't you, like, hurt your legs or whatever?

00:49:06.000 And I was like, yeah, sometimes my knees.

00:49:08.000 And he goes, oh, bro, you got knee problems?

00:49:10.000 You need some weed.

00:49:10.000 Oh, you need some meat.

00:49:11.000 You gotta get a weed card.

00:49:12.000 Doctor will get you signed up.

00:49:14.000 Not interested.

00:49:15.000 You get that weed card.

00:49:16.000 You smoke weed.

00:49:17.000 You are ineligible.

00:49:17.000 You can't own a gun.

00:49:18.000 Maybe for physical pain, you could get away with it, but if you say it's stress, you're gonna... No, no, no, no, Ian.

00:49:23.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:49:24.000 Is that true?

00:49:24.000 Or are you saying it could theoretically be true with red flag laws?

00:49:27.000 It's insane.

00:49:27.000 Yes.

00:49:28.000 On the form it asks you if you are a user of narcotics.

00:49:31.000 And so the risk is if you have a weed prescription card, yes you are.

00:49:36.000 And that means you will be ineligible for owning a gun.

00:49:39.000 That's insane.

00:49:40.000 Huh.

00:49:41.000 Yeah, so you ever see the, what are they called, the forms you fill out when you have to buy

00:49:43.000 a gun?

00:49:44.000 It asks you if you're a user of narcotics.

00:49:47.000 And they have it classified federally as a Schedule 1 narcotic.

00:49:50.000 It's like the worst possible one.

00:49:50.000 Right.

00:49:51.000 If you have a weed card, I don't think you'll be able to argue you weren't lying.

00:49:55.000 They're gonna say, you have a weed card prescription, like, to do this drug.

00:50:00.000 There's no shot.

00:50:01.000 I can't believe that.

00:50:02.000 I've never heard it—that's actually real—that anyone's ever had their guns taken away because they had a weed card.

00:50:07.000 I've never heard that.

00:50:08.000 I can see that argument, though.

00:50:10.000 You know what?

00:50:10.000 I know that's not the case, because if that was, I would have heard conservatives complaining about it.

00:50:14.000 They want Hunter Biden arrested over it, because he filled out a form and said he wasn't a drug user when he's a crackhead.

00:50:14.000 They are!

00:50:19.000 No, no, no, but that's— That's literally why they want him arrested.

00:50:23.000 For Hunter Biden?

00:50:24.000 Hunter Biden filled out a form.

00:50:25.000 The form was released publicly, and on it he said he was not a drug user, despite- For- are you- the 4473 for a gun?

00:50:30.000 The- the background check form for a gun.

00:50:33.000 It asks you if you're a user of narcotics.

00:50:35.000 I feel like they wanted him arrested because they said that he's doing illegal dealings overseas where he's roping his father into the... Specifically for the gun issue, it was like his girlfriend or whatever, his wife threw the gun in a dumpster behind a school.

00:50:44.000 Did they accurately date the crack use, though, for when he filled out the form?

00:50:47.000 That was the question.

00:50:48.000 That's really important.

00:50:49.000 It's the argument, he quit doing crack a long time ago, thus he was saying no, and the argument was he's like still a crackhead, they found a crack pipe in his car around some time or whatever, and so I am not saying overtly and outright every single person who ever has a weed card will never be able to buy a gun again.

00:51:04.000 I'm saying if they want grounds to take your weapons and you have had a weed card, they will come, they will have a notice, and they will say, look, you have a weed card, you're a user, tell it to a judge, we're taking your guns.

00:51:16.000 They'll use it as a pretext.

00:51:19.000 Oh, wait, hold on, okay.

00:51:19.000 We do!

00:51:20.000 I looked up the 4470 thing, so I'm curious now.

00:51:22.000 So it says, oh, well, so it says, are you an unlawful user of marijuana?

00:51:28.000 So I would say if you've got the card, you're probably not unlawful, but federally, as a federal firm, maybe you would be.

00:51:32.000 You would absolutely be.

00:51:34.000 They actually say on the form, I'm pretty sure it says, note, regardless of local laws.

00:51:38.000 See what it says?

00:51:38.000 It says that, right?

00:51:40.000 Yeah, it says possession of marijuana remains unlawful under federal law regardless of whether it's been legalized. 0.99

00:51:44.000 Oh shit, well, government's coming for my gun soon. 0.99

00:51:47.000 This country is built on the back of hemp, man. 1.00

00:51:51.000 Look at George Washington's eyes on the $1 bill he stole.

00:51:55.000 We got news, ladies and gentlemen!

00:51:56.000 We have information on the Trump indictment breaking.

00:51:57.000 have crushed referencing databases to like axe guns from people that have like legal

00:52:01.000 marijuana cards or whatever.

00:52:02.000 But they can if they want to.

00:52:04.000 Theoretically, maybe.

00:52:05.000 We got news, ladies and gentlemen.

00:52:06.000 We have information on the Trump indictment breaking.

00:52:09.000 Trump indicted reportedly on 34 counts related to falsifying business records.

00:52:15.000 The indictment stems from Trump allegedly falsifying records concerning $130,000 payment

00:52:19.000 to Daniels, Stormy Daniels, in 2016.

00:52:22.000 CNN reports they were informed of the number of indictments by an unnamed source.

00:52:26.000 So, we take that with a grain of salt.

00:52:28.000 Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty, yadda yadda yadda.

00:52:31.000 Let's play the clip from CNN.

00:52:32.000 Do we have audio here?

00:52:33.000 My source is that this is 34 counts of falsification of business records, which is probably a lot of charges involving each document, each thing that was submitted as a separate count in a couple of matters.

00:52:49.000 Okay, well that's it.

00:52:50.000 Is that like if he's like, yeah, and then he responds?

00:52:52.000 It has to be more than that.

00:52:55.000 More than what?

00:52:55.000 It has to be more than just counts of falsifying business records, I think.

00:52:58.000 It has to be something election related to keep it to go past the misdemeanor thing, I think.

00:53:02.000 I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna agree.

00:53:04.000 I think it's definitely gonna be more than just the Stormy Daniels thing.

00:53:08.000 Falsifying business records, is that like if they're in an email chain and he's like, are you sure?

00:53:11.000 And then he sends email, he's like, response, yes.

00:53:13.000 And then he's like, okay then, is that three counts?

00:53:15.000 My guess is gonna be that I think he was paid back, wasn't it over a multi, like a year period or two year period?

00:53:21.000 The falsifying business record, like let's say that I paid you bi-weekly over an entire year.

00:53:25.000 Right?

00:53:26.000 It would be 26 different payments that I'm lying about, so it'd probably be 26 separate counts of falsifying records.

00:53:30.000 That'd be my guess. 0.97

00:53:31.000 But again, it has to be more than just falsifying records, because that's only a misdemeanor, and the statute of limitations is expired, and it's a fucking misdemeanor. 0.97

00:53:38.000 Why would we charge an ex-president over a misdemeanor? 0.98

00:53:40.000 That's the most insane thing.

00:53:41.000 That's the outrage from conservatives.

00:53:43.000 It has to be something more than that.

00:53:45.000 It has to be something more than that.

00:53:47.000 I think it's going to be worse than people think.

00:53:47.000 I agree.

00:53:50.000 Right now, everyone's saying it's a Stormy Daniels thing.

00:53:52.000 I bet it's going to be something else.

00:53:53.000 Something completely different.

00:53:54.000 I don't know about completely different, but it's going to be... It's got to be related to campaign fund misappropriation, or... The question is, will it be dubious, or will it be questionable, or will it be airtight?

00:54:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:07.000 I kind of feel like it's probably going to be dubious.

00:54:09.000 I mean, Ukrainegate as it was, and Mueller and Russia and all that stuff did not pan out.

00:54:15.000 I have very little... In terms of indictments, there were a lot of good indictments that came from the Mueller investigation.

00:54:19.000 No, I mean like, Trump isn't a Russian spy, he wasn't working with the Soviets.

00:54:23.000 Oh, probably.

00:54:24.000 Like, nothing was born of those things, you know what I mean?

00:54:28.000 I feel like this is just like, they're gonna spin their wheels, Trump's gonna fundraise off it, he's gonna raise record amounts of money, there's gonna be a mugshot that will turn into t-shirts, people will get rich off of it, Donald Trump will win the election in 2024, and then we'll not even talk about this moment later on.

00:54:43.000 Does this kind of thing give people the right to go deeper into his life and look for things and serve subpoenas and warrants and things?

00:54:50.000 To like look at emails from 20 years ago?

00:54:52.000 Does it open up old I would hope that prosecutors are being intelligent when it comes to charging somebody that's going to run for president.

00:54:59.000 It's not even the fact that he's a former president.

00:55:01.000 It's that he's going to run for president.

00:55:02.000 The absolute worst case scenario for the health of this country is that Donald Trump gets indicted, charged, and convicted of something that's not really that big of a deal that somehow inhibits his ability to run for office.

00:55:13.000 Because now you've justified every single conservative that thinks that the system is trying to keep him out using judicial means.

00:55:19.000 The left doesn't even get to feel good.

00:55:20.000 Because, like, let's be honest. 1.00

00:55:21.000 Let's say he goes to jail for something really stupid like lying about, you know, paying off a porn star. 0.99

00:55:25.000 Like, you don't even film that stuff. 0.99

00:55:27.000 Like, I wanted him to go down for, like, the pee tapes for the Putin stuff, right? 0.99

00:55:31.000 Not for this bullshit. 0.99

00:55:32.000 So, yeah, no, I hope they're sitting on something good. 1.00

00:55:36.000 Otherwise, they have to realize they're making the entire United States look like a joke.

00:55:40.000 I don't think there's going to be anything there.

00:55:42.000 I mean, it's been years.

00:55:43.000 They've known about this for years and they've not done anything.

00:55:46.000 So it really just feels politically expedient.

00:55:48.000 And they just disbanded the grand jury two days ago or something for a month.

00:55:52.000 Today they announced it was going on break for a month and then all of a sudden they're like, oh by the way.

00:55:54.000 That's so weird.

00:55:57.000 I have a question for you, Stephen.

00:55:59.000 It's kind of off topic, but it's somewhat on topic.

00:56:01.000 I'm talking about the war in Ukraine and the Russian war.

00:56:05.000 What do you think is the solution to ending this or to the future?

00:56:09.000 Well, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

00:56:10.000 First question is, how do you feel about the war in Ukraine?

00:56:13.000 I'm happy Ukraine is winning.

00:56:15.000 I hope they get back Crimea. 1.00

00:56:16.000 Fuck Russia. 1.00

00:56:17.000 So what do you think would be a solution to make that happen? 1.00

00:56:21.000 Ukraine winning the war and getting back Crimea and saying fuck Russia. 0.98

00:56:26.000 What's defined winning the war? 0.99

00:56:27.000 Getting back Crimea. 0.70

00:56:29.000 Having their borders restored to what they were in 1991 when they broke off from the Soviet Union and when the entire world recognized the country as having the borders that it did that included the Donbas and included Crimea.

00:56:43.000 Oh, man.

00:56:43.000 Well, there's a lot of people.

00:56:44.000 Some of my friends think that same thing.

00:56:47.000 What's the, I suppose, justification for U.S.

00:56:49.000 involvement?

00:56:51.000 Justification for U.S. 0.96

00:56:52.000 involvement is probably that the stability of Europe is potentially at risk, that we are seeing an actor engaged in actions that haven't happened in decades, where one sovereign state invades another sovereign state to steal territory from them.

00:57:05.000 It's just something that we don't really see around the world anymore, especially in Europe.

00:57:09.000 And I think that the opposition to that should be led by the United States.

00:57:12.000 I think it's important for us to be seen as a leader of the world to do that.

00:57:14.000 Would you be in favor of a similar military response if it came to Taiwan?

00:57:19.000 Taiwan and Hong Kong are so much more complicated, and I'm not well-versed enough in the history

00:57:23.000 to know if I would feel the same for that.

00:57:25.000 The stability of Southeast Asia and the region, you know what I mean?

00:57:28.000 True, but I think that our responsibility is the presence we have and the relationships we have with Southeast Asia.

00:57:32.000 I mean, we do have good relationships with South Korea and Japan, but it's different than Europe.

00:57:36.000 But I would have to read up way more on Taiwanese history and the deals that China has carved out with respect to the autonomy of Taiwan to know if I would feel the same way about defending them militarily versus Ukraine.

00:57:46.000 But I feel very strongly about the understanding of Ukrainian history and everything, that their borders should be respected.

00:57:51.000 Do you think the $100 billion price tag is justified?

00:57:55.000 I think a really big price tag is justified.

00:57:57.000 I mean, I'm not going to sit here and argue to know the difference between $100 billion versus $1 trillion versus $500 billion, but I think that it is worth it for the United States to be making heavy investments into the security of Europe.

00:58:08.000 I think that that position that we have as the leader of the Western world and leading those efforts to protect Ukraine is really important.

00:58:13.000 You go to Ukraine and fight the Russians? 1.00

00:58:14.000 Fuck no. 1.00

00:58:15.000 Would you send other people's kids there to fight Russians? 1.00

00:58:19.000 U.S.

00:58:20.000 troops in Ukraine fighting Russians is probably something I would not support.

00:58:26.000 What about special forces doing operations to assist Ukrainians?

00:58:32.000 I don't think so.

00:58:34.000 I'd have to think a lot.

00:58:36.000 What do special forces mean?

00:58:37.000 If we're talking about people going over to train troops, maybe.

00:58:40.000 For instance, if we're sending weapons systems over there, and we're sending troops over there to train them to use those weapons systems, that might be important so that those weapons systems don't misfire or they're crashing planes up into Poland or some shit.

00:58:49.000 And they did.

00:58:50.000 They did do it one time.

00:58:51.000 Yes, they did.

00:58:52.000 What about the U.S.

00:58:54.000 using reconnaissance measures and surveillance to provide intelligence to the Ukrainians To then have the Ukrainians use the weapons we provided to, say, sink the Russian flagship in the Black Sea?

00:59:05.000 I think so far I think that's been fair game.

00:59:06.000 I think that a lot of people around the world share intelligence, and that's probably just a given at this point, are sharing intelligence with Ukraine.

00:59:11.000 There's probably no difference than China or Russia sharing intel with each other as well.

00:59:14.000 What about former US military, now veterans, fighting on the ground in Ukraine using US

00:59:22.000 intelligence, US weapons, and US funding to assist Ukrainians in say, like, sinking ships

00:59:28.000 and stuff like that?

00:59:29.000 I think it sounds silly, but I think there is a distinction that they are former US military.

00:59:33.000 The scary part about US troops… troops and Russian troops shooting at each other is the potential for escalation into all of us getting blown up.

00:59:40.000 But if a former U.S.

00:59:41.000 military person gets killed by a Russian troop, that's a Ukrainian soldier, that former U.S., it is what it is.

00:59:45.000 Do you really think Russia is going like, well, they're not really a U.S.

00:59:49.000 military, so we're not going to do anything about it?

00:59:51.000 Absolutely.

00:59:53.000 I disagree, I think.

00:59:53.000 I think there's a massive, there's a huge difference between that guy used to be part of the U.S.

00:59:58.000 military, he's fighting Ukraine, versus there are armed U.S.

01:00:00.000 troops on the ground.

01:00:01.000 There's a whole escalatory pathway for U.S.

01:00:03.000 soldiers in Ukraine.

01:00:04.000 You think Putin cares?

01:00:05.000 Absolutely, yeah.

01:00:06.000 I mean, they just took down one of our drones, whether it was an accident or not, they did a fuel spray on it.

01:00:10.000 Sure.

01:00:10.000 And then clipped it.

01:00:11.000 And we do dumb shit like that to each other, sometimes it happens, but having uniformed U.S. 0.99

01:00:17.000 troops on the ground in Ukraine would be a massive escalation. 0.99

01:00:19.000 Do you think Russia is going to allow Ukraine to win?

01:00:23.000 Is Russia going to allow Ukraine to win?

01:00:26.000 Well, I mean, they've allowed them to get as far as they have so far.

01:00:29.000 But now they're positioning nukes north of Ukraine and Belarus.

01:00:32.000 I heard the strategic nuclear weapons being moved into Belarus.

01:00:36.000 I don't know why.

01:00:36.000 I don't know if that's posturing.

01:00:37.000 The UK is deploying depleted uranium tank busters, which are radioactive.

01:00:43.000 Russia responded by saying, we warned you that if you use depleted uranium, that's nuclear escalation.

01:00:47.000 And now they're moving nukes to the region.

01:00:49.000 Sure, but they've been talking about nuclear escalation for like two years.

01:00:51.000 But then they did it, and now Russia is sending nukes into the region.

01:00:54.000 Sure, into Belarus, yeah.

01:00:56.000 But like, are they actually going to start using?

01:00:57.000 I don't think Russia's going to.

01:00:59.000 Yes.

01:00:59.000 I don't think so.

01:00:59.000 I don't know what Russia's going to use.

01:01:00.000 The mistake people make is they assume nuke means, you know, 100 megaton ICBMs.

01:01:05.000 Doesn't happen.

01:01:05.000 Even strategic nuclear weapons, I think, would be- Nuclear artillery.

01:01:08.000 Unbelievable.

01:01:09.000 Depleted uranium is different than firing nukes.

01:01:12.000 No, I'm talking about nuclear shells.

01:01:15.000 I don't think they're going to be firing nuclear shells.

01:01:17.000 I don't think they'll be firing small-yield, no Davy Crockett's, no exotic, miniature nuclear arms.

01:01:21.000 I don't think that'll happen.

01:01:23.000 I don't even think China, I don't think anybody would support Russia in those types of actions.

01:01:26.000 I disagree.

01:01:26.000 You think that China would support Russia?

01:01:29.000 Yes, hands down.

01:01:31.000 I think the U.S.

01:01:32.000 has already lost its position.

01:01:33.000 Was it Brazil and China just announced that they're going to be trading outside of U.S.

01:01:36.000 dollars?

01:01:37.000 China's brokered a deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

01:01:41.000 The U.S. 0.98

01:01:42.000 is in such a fractured position right now that I'm pretty sure China's going to be like, sucks to be you, United States. 0.83

01:01:48.000 I don't think it's about being in a fractured position.

01:01:50.000 I don't think anybody wants to be in a country where people are shooting nuclear weapons, including China and everybody else in the world.

01:01:56.000 It's going to be in Ukraine.

01:01:57.000 This is what I'm saying.

01:01:59.000 The U.S.

01:01:59.000 will not, this was brought up by, I think it was an EU politician, he said, if Russia uses lower yield nukes in Ukraine, the West will not respond with similar nuclear weapons or greater.

01:02:14.000 Why would, who cares what a EU politician says though?

01:02:17.000 He said, I don't know, who was this?

01:02:19.000 It was like a UN guy or something.

01:02:20.000 I don't care who it is, if it wasn't the U.S. 0.95

01:02:22.000 president, UN has no fucking, you know, No one is going to risk... What did he say? 0.97

01:02:27.000 He says no one's going to risk Warsaw for Kiev. 0.98

01:02:32.000 If Vladimir Putin escalates the conflict in Ukraine, Western forces will not escalate to the point where they would put their home countries at risk.

01:02:40.000 They will keep the conflict in Ukraine.

01:02:42.000 Well, of course, but Ukraine's not a NATO country, so all we'll do is send stuff to help, but we're not going to be putting troops there.

01:02:46.000 We're not going to be flying planes over there.

01:02:48.000 What they were saying is that if Putin uses nukes in Ukraine, the West will not fire nukes on Russia in return.

01:02:53.000 Fire nukes on Russia in return?

01:02:54.000 I don't believe so.

01:02:54.000 But wasn't Biden's initial claim that we'd be destroying their fleet in the Black Sea or something?

01:03:01.000 Well, we took out their flagship.

01:03:04.000 But again, I wouldn't look to a UN or an EU politician to speak on behalf of the US military or what the US is willing to do, because at the end of the day, that's really all that matters, right?

01:03:12.000 I agree with your principle that countries shouldn't be invading and colonizing territory, but then I look at what the U.S.

01:03:17.000 did the last 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

01:03:19.000 We haven't done anything even remotely similar.

01:03:21.000 We didn't take any territory from Iraq.

01:03:22.000 They're not on our border.

01:03:23.000 We have a puppet state in Iraq.

01:03:24.000 We have corporations set up in Libya like Osprey.

01:03:26.000 Iraq holds their own elections.

01:03:29.000 Iraq is its own country. 0.63

01:03:30.000 We didn't take any territory from them.

01:03:32.000 We didn't declare any of this, like, this is now part of the United States.

01:03:34.000 It's a totally different scenario from what's happening in Ukraine and Russia.

01:03:36.000 We removed the Ba'ath Party from power, which caused ISIS to appear, you know. 0.91

01:03:40.000 But, I mean, you could say it's legit, but it's a puppet state.

01:03:45.000 I'm not saying it's legit, but I don't think we can call it a puppet state.

01:03:48.000 I don't think it's fair.

01:03:48.000 They hold their own elections.

01:03:50.000 They are their own country.

01:03:50.000 You might not like it.

01:03:51.000 We did remove Saddam Hussein. 0.53

01:03:52.000 We did ban the Ba'ath Party from reforming.

01:03:55.000 That is true.

01:03:55.000 But we didn't come in and say, like, we're going to carve off this part as, like, New Connecticut as a part of the United States now.

01:04:01.000 That's an insane thing to do.

01:04:04.000 That's an insane thing to do.

01:04:05.000 We haven't done that.

01:04:06.000 Russia went into Ukraine and they took territory.

01:04:10.000 This is Russia now. 0.85

01:04:11.000 That hasn't happened in so long.

01:04:13.000 It's an unprecedented action in this age.

01:04:15.000 Post-91, post-Soviet Union. 0.70

01:04:17.000 That's insane.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, I think of it as like, after the Soviet Union broke up, the oligarchs split it all up and they took away the warm water port from Russia because they didn't want to be a global hegemon.

01:04:26.000 They were like, no, we're going to give Sevastopol to Ukraine now. 0.74

01:04:29.000 Russia's landlocked and they can have their other.

01:04:31.000 It'd be like in the U.S. 0.95

01:04:33.000 if they took the West Coast and took a long strip down the West Coast of the U.S.

01:04:36.000 and gave it to Canada, and we had no Pacific access.

01:04:39.000 That at some point, the U.S.

01:04:40.000 would be like, this is insane, and we're gonna invade and take Pacific access.

01:04:43.000 And that's where I see the Russians coming from.

01:04:46.000 But how?

01:04:46.000 They recognize the border.

01:04:48.000 That's the country.

01:04:49.000 You might not like it, but...

01:04:52.000 It's just de facto.

01:04:53.000 It's not de facto.

01:04:54.000 What if Canada was like, we really want Alaska? 0.99

01:04:56.000 This is bullshit. 0.99

01:04:57.000 It's not even connected to the US. 1.00

01:04:58.000 We're going to take this.

01:04:58.000 We can't do that.

01:05:00.000 Well, they can try.

01:05:01.000 They could try.

01:05:02.000 De facto, if we didn't have West Coast access. 0.99

01:05:05.000 I wish they'd fucking try. 0.99

01:05:07.000 I would just love to win a war against Canada. 0.99

01:05:11.000 And it would give us pretext to seize Canada.

01:05:13.000 We would end up taking Canada and annexing it into the United States.

01:05:15.000 No more land acknowledgments.

01:05:16.000 The way we did with Libya, the way we invaded over through Gaddafi took them off the gold. 0.97

01:05:20.000 We did that with authorization through fucking through NATO and even through the UN. 0.94

01:05:24.000 I'm pretty sure Gaddafi was so bad, I think even China would abstain from voting no on that one. 0.98

01:05:29.000 But again, I'm just saying that, here's what I'm trying to say.

01:05:31.000 There's something very unique in particular.

01:05:33.000 I'm not saying that, because I know a bunch of people are swearing now, probably saying, oh, he wants Iraq and Afghanistan, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:37.000 I'm not saying those invasions were good.

01:05:38.000 I'm not saying our occupation was good.

01:05:40.000 But I'm saying there's something fundamentally different from invading a country and taking territory and saying, this land is mine now.

01:05:46.000 Even in Afghanistan, where we were for 7,000 years, we didn't actually say, this is US territory now.

01:05:51.000 Right?

01:05:52.000 There are people there, they ran, they did their elections, they did other things, eventually we left, but like, it's not U.S.

01:05:55.000 territory, whereas that has to happen with Crimea and Ukraine.

01:05:57.000 You know, we almost took Mexico?

01:05:59.000 I was watching this documentary on, what was it, the Mexican-American War, and then we, like, Americans were actually in favor of just taking it, and we won, but then the president at the time, I can't remember who it was, Polk or something, he was like, nah, nah, Mexico can stay Mexico.

01:06:11.000 The tactic the liberal economic order has been using is corporate- Well, we took Texas and stuff.

01:06:14.000 It's corporate colonization.

01:06:15.000 California.

01:06:16.000 Gaddafi set up the U.S. 0.79

01:06:18.000 dollar and all these American corporations like Sydney Blumenthal's Osprey Global Solutions.

01:06:22.000 Hillary made sure that he got his defense contract in Libya.

01:06:25.000 So they say, oh no, we're not taking that land, but it is profiting us massively because we have it set up as a corporate stock.

01:06:32.000 Sure, I mean everything profits us, but I mean that's a fundamentally different thing again from like taking the land and being like, we're going to... I would argue that colonizing corporately overseas is much worse than taking a piece of land on your border.

01:06:41.000 But it's still way different.

01:06:43.000 It's different, yeah.

01:06:43.000 It's different than, like, this is U.S.

01:06:44.000 land that we are now administering legally, and this is our land now.

01:06:48.000 But if you legally say it's okay to invade and take something over, it doesn't make it okay to invade and take it over just because you said it was legal.

01:06:55.000 You guys are going in circles.

01:06:56.000 Yeah, okay.

01:06:56.000 Let's jump to domestic story.

01:06:58.000 We're going in spirals, Tim!

01:06:59.000 Spirals.

01:06:59.000 Alright, here we go.

01:07:00.000 From the Daily Mail!

01:07:02.000 NYPD orders full mobilization plan.

01:07:04.000 All uniformed officers are on standby as extra manpower is deployed to ring of steel around Manhattan's DA's office amid fears of violence after Trump's indictment.

01:07:16.000 I really don't think that New York City is MAGA country enough to the point that they have to worry about a bunch of Trump supporters showing up to the Manhattan DA's office.

01:07:25.000 I'm just worried they're going to march them all down into the tunnels for drills next.

01:07:28.000 And then we know what happens.

01:07:29.000 Have you seen The Dark Knight Rises?

01:07:30.000 Oh, that's right!

01:07:33.000 And then they're going to release all the inmates from their jails!

01:07:36.000 Oh, man!

01:07:36.000 I've seen the Warriors, yeah, jeez.

01:07:39.000 I wonder what New York would be like if, I don't know, 8,000 people convicted of violence were just released.

01:07:43.000 All those COVID patients are going to come crawling out of the old person's homes?

01:07:46.000 Those power electric chairs?

01:07:47.000 They live underground.

01:07:48.000 Yeah, so anyway, I find this funny because, um, let me see if I have this, uh, this tweet somewhere.

01:07:54.000 Where is this?

01:07:54.000 I think people are just, like, so paranoid, they just don't want to risk it, right?

01:07:58.000 Like, January 6th was such a disaster, and it was a disaster at, like, multiple levels of failing to be ready for what was gonna happen.

01:08:04.000 I think for New York, they're probably saying, like, better safe than sorry, because, oh my god, if something got repeated where they weren't ready, it's just gonna look so bad on everybody involved, you know?

01:08:11.000 Sure, we have this, uh, we have this video coming out of Tennessee, where a bunch of leftists...

01:08:16.000 Stormed the Capitol and fought with police.

01:08:19.000 They actually made their way into the chamber in what conservatives are calling an insurrection.

01:08:25.000 So, I mean, that's basically it.

01:08:26.000 Look, they're fighting with cops and people are getting arrested.

01:08:30.000 And it happened in Kentucky, too.

01:08:33.000 But, like, this happens all the time.

01:08:34.000 I mean, it's funny, there were numerous protests by the left where they actually were banging on the doors of the Supreme Court, or actually went inside to the congressional buildings and shut down legislative sessions, and they were never considered that big of a deal.

01:08:47.000 And even right now, it's like the media's not covering this like it's that big of a deal to shut down your Capitol.

01:08:52.000 State capitals, I guess, don't matter?

01:08:54.000 I don't know what.

01:08:56.000 Well, it matters, but just how much does it matter?

01:08:58.000 I mean, the media's covering it, right?

01:09:00.000 That was a video by the media, right?

01:09:01.000 Yeah, someone posted it.

01:09:02.000 Was this Kelsey Gibbs?

01:09:04.000 Yeah, Kelsey Gibbs posted it and then deleted it. 0.83

01:09:06.000 Greg Price got a copy of it and reposted it.

01:09:09.000 And then maybe she reposted it again. 0.92

01:09:10.000 It looked like it really wasn't.

01:09:13.000 Super violent.

01:09:14.000 I mean, I don't think anyone got hurt.

01:09:15.000 I can't tell.

01:09:15.000 Typically, what we mean when we say, like, the news doesn't cover it is that, like, sure, local outlets may run the story, but is it getting headline attention?

01:09:22.000 Is it getting primetime attention?

01:09:23.000 Is it the conversation?

01:09:25.000 It didn't shut down the authorization of the new president of the United States, which is what January 6 was.

01:09:30.000 They were trying to, like, slow or stop the counting of the votes to get Biden elected, or something like that.

01:09:35.000 So it was like a federal election.

01:09:37.000 That was what made that one such a big deal.

01:09:39.000 Plus, it was high profile.

01:09:41.000 Yeah, it was kind of goaded on by our president.

01:09:43.000 I think it was a big deal, too.

01:09:44.000 He did say Donald Trump was involved in setting it up directly.

01:09:47.000 You know, not the violence, but just... He said, peacefully march to listen to politicians.

01:09:50.000 Yeah, just getting the people in the vicinity, he was part of that.

01:09:52.000 I think it was something he said for months, that they were going to steal our election from us, and we need to fight like hell to keep it.

01:09:56.000 I think it was more that than the march peacefully thing, but... Well, he said march peacefully, and there was a permitted rally at the Capitol.

01:10:02.000 Okay.

01:10:03.000 How can you go- Okay, we're backing up a little bit.

01:10:05.000 How can you take the one thing that Biden said on stage one time as definitive proof that he was actually trying to withhold aid, but the numerous statements- He literally said he did.

01:10:13.000 And Trump literally said that we need to fight like hell- Trump did not say storm the Capitol.

01:10:17.000 He didn't say storm the Capitol in those exact words.

01:10:19.000 But he said we need to fight like hell.

01:10:21.000 He said we need to fight like- What does fight mean?

01:10:22.000 Does that mean be obese and stand at the Capitol?

01:10:24.000 capital?

01:10:25.000 Yeah, it's not an argument.

01:10:26.000 If Joe Biden sat on stage, could you imagine if I told this guy I did this and everyone

01:10:30.000 went, oh, no, he literally said he did a thing.

01:10:33.000 And we're like, hey, if he said he did that, we should investigate.

01:10:35.000 Trump said fight.

01:10:36.000 And then later, now go march peacefully.

01:10:38.000 It's like, well, those are metaphors.

01:10:39.000 The left says fight all the time.

01:10:40.000 We don't mean physically.

01:10:41.000 We mean spiritually.

01:10:42.000 We mean sure, but it's followed or that was followed up by months of saying that, like,

01:10:47.000 they're going to steal the election from you.

01:10:48.000 You have to fight to save your country.

01:10:50.000 Like, you don't think that that type of rhetoric can directly lead to people saying, like, oh, our election is being stolen, like Trump said, it's being stolen, and we need to fight, like, go to the Capitol and fight to save our country?

01:10:58.000 In that line, do you blame trans activists for calling for fighting when this person went and shot up a church or a grade school?

01:11:04.000 For the trans shooter? 0.96

01:11:05.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.000 I mean, they've been saying it's genocide nonstop over and over again, and they've been saying get up weapons and you have to fight.

01:11:10.000 Yeah, but I don't know why that shooter did the shooting.

01:11:13.000 Do you?

01:11:14.000 So the police said there's a manifesto and that the working theory is it's related to the identity of the shooter.

01:11:19.000 The gender identity.

01:11:19.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:11:20.000 You said two totally different things.

01:11:21.000 Are the police saying that it was... Yes.

01:11:23.000 Okay.

01:11:24.000 So I read... Hold on, I want to be very specific.

01:11:25.000 Yeah, wait, yeah.

01:11:26.000 I'd be curious to know, because I read four different articles and I was trying to find out was anything from this manifesto released.

01:11:29.000 No, the media is saying they should release it.

01:11:31.000 They will release it.

01:11:31.000 My understanding is the police has not commented on the material in the manifesto yet.

01:11:34.000 What did they say about it specifically?

01:11:36.000 It was the police chief, I guess.

01:11:38.000 He was asked specifically, did the gender identity of the shooter play a role?

01:11:42.000 And he says, the theory is that is the case.

01:11:45.000 We're investigating, etc, etc.

01:11:47.000 I heard that.

01:11:48.000 That's actually what he said.

01:11:49.000 Okay, I don't know what that means.

01:11:50.000 Because it could mean what you're saying.

01:11:52.000 So let's say that in the manifesto, they're saying things like, I've been watching a whole bunch of YouTube commentators like Vosh saying that there is a transgenocide and I need to go and take action to prevent that.

01:12:02.000 Then I would say that's horrible. 0.97

01:12:03.000 And people that are saying it, actually, fuck, even if they didn't say that, the people that are saying there's a trans genocide and we need to fight should be held accountable. 0.99

01:12:10.000 I think that's a bad thing. 0.99

01:12:10.000 If you believe in stochastic terrorism, I think that that's definitely that. 0.99

01:12:13.000 But if it's something like where the person is like, oh, like, I'm trans and people in my life don't accept me, I'm gonna go shit over school, I think that's meaningfully different than inspired by rhetoric from people calling for violence, right?

01:12:23.000 So, when we see these protests from far leftists, like at the Capitol, like in Kentucky and Tennessee, do you think the storming of those capitals is the fault of people like Vosch saying, you gotta take- I don't know if Vosch ever said that. 0.76

01:12:34.000 Well, those- My understanding is the storming of those capitals was for gun reform.

01:12:39.000 Kentucky was trans rights. 0.92

01:12:40.000 They were holding up trans rights signs.

01:12:42.000 Was it trans rights?

01:12:43.000 Oh, I thought they were doing it in response to the shooting.

01:12:46.000 Sure, sure, but no, no, Kentucky was that they're banning—I think it was Kentucky, right?

01:12:50.000 They're banning sex changes for kids.

01:12:51.000 It might have been in Kentucky.

01:12:53.000 For Tennessee, I think it was for firearms, right?

01:12:55.000 Tennessee was firearms, but it overlapped with that issue.

01:12:59.000 It was primarily a firearms protest.

01:13:01.000 So let's just say Kentucky, the storming of the Capitol there, where they're in the gallery and they're being arrested and they're holding up trans signs, do you think the suspense of that, the inhibition of that legislative session and the storming of that Capitol is the result, is the fault of activists saying, take up arms and go fight?

01:13:19.000 Sure.

01:13:20.000 If somebody is storming buildings, I think they should be held legally accountable.

01:13:23.000 If they're trespassing, then they absolutely should be.

01:13:24.000 And I think that people that are using alarmist rhetoric to get people to go and fight, whether that's Donald Trump or whether that's far-left people on YouTube, I think should also be... Did Fox do that?

01:13:31.000 Yeah, you guys say it all the time.

01:13:31.000 It's one of those things.

01:13:32.000 Yeah, of course.

01:13:33.000 You've got to be careful of alarmist rhetoric.

01:13:34.000 Well, hold on, because Hassan does it, but he says only in video games.

01:13:36.000 Well, unless it's an imminent call.

01:13:38.000 Like, vague calls like, hey, go do this thing.

01:13:41.000 That's not illegal.

01:13:41.000 That's protected First Amendment.

01:13:43.000 But if you say, on this day, at this time, do this thing, then that's an imminent threat.

01:13:46.000 I understand that's illegal under the First Amendment.

01:13:48.000 Sure.

01:13:48.000 The issue that I have is a general alarmist rhetoric.

01:13:52.000 There's a lot of people saying that there's a transgenocide incoming, so buy firearms.

01:13:56.000 That feels a little bit like Great Replacement rhetoric, except on the left instead of the right, to me.

01:13:59.000 Where people on the right sometimes will say things like, immigrants are invading, they're taking everything, you need to buy firearms to protect yourself from spooky immigrants that are replacing white people. 1.00

01:14:07.000 That feels similar to people saying there's a transgenocide, buy firearms because Republicans are going to take your rights away.

01:14:12.000 That type of, like, any type of rhetoric that is basically stating that, like, your life is on the line, buy a gun, in my opinion, is, like, very, very, very unhealthy for the state of the country.

01:14:20.000 I agree.

01:14:21.000 I don't like the metaphor, fight for your rights.

01:14:23.000 It's been around my entire life.

01:14:24.000 You gotta fight for your rights.

01:14:25.000 And in the United States, they literally did 250 years ago.

01:14:29.000 And throughout the ages, they have had to do that.

01:14:31.000 But they have done it literally with weapons.

01:14:34.000 And so the idea that we need to... We got into a fight yesterday.

01:14:37.000 Oh, you mean we are arguing?

01:14:39.000 That's not a real... Like, what does fight even mean?

01:14:41.000 Are you Elizabeth Warren saying?

01:14:42.000 No, no, no.

01:14:43.000 Come on.

01:14:43.000 Well, I mean, that's what we're talking about, the word fighting.

01:14:45.000 Like, if you say, go fight for your right, are you really encouraging violence?

01:14:49.000 Okay, fine.

01:14:50.000 But, like, typically, every political organization says, fight for your rights, and they're not implying physical violence.

01:14:57.000 I agree with that.

01:14:57.000 They're implying a struggle against a political machine to encourage people to vote and to get in politicians and get policy in place.

01:15:05.000 So if someone's on a heavy dose of psychoactives and they hear that and they go fight physically, you gotta put it on the person.

01:15:09.000 I don't think you blame the person.

01:15:10.000 You gotta blame the person that fought, not the person that said go fight.

01:15:13.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:15:14.000 I think we have to have a more holistic, intelligent view of this.

01:15:17.000 What I would say is you have to look at the totality of rhetoric and you've gotta ask where does it lead.

01:15:20.000 If somebody is saying, like, listen, lawmakers are coming for your rights, you guys need to fight for your rights, okay?

01:15:25.000 Like, we gotta do that.

01:15:26.000 That's fine.

01:15:27.000 Whatever. 0.99

01:15:28.000 But if somebody's saying, like, you are being eliminated from this country, people are trying to genocide you, they're gonna use whatever means possible to take you out, you need to get armed, you need to train, you need to be ready for when these people come to town, like, that's like, okay, what the fuck? 0.98

01:15:38.000 Right, exactly, yes. 0.92

01:15:40.000 You have to look at the totality of the rhetoric, it's not just like a one statement, it's like, how is it being presented all the time?

01:15:44.000 What we are seeing with these posters, like Trans Day of Vengeance, they had pictures of guns on it.

01:15:50.000 It's being accompanied by posters that say, take up your arms, no one is coming to save you.

01:15:54.000 And videos of these activists saying, quite literally, to beat people.

01:15:58.000 Did you see that one? 0.91

01:15:59.000 They got like a club made of a curtain rod, and they're like, beat them, beat them, hurt them.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, although I'd say we have to be really careful about, because, I don't know how big some of these, like, for some of these trans organizations that people are obsessing over, the Trans Day of Vengeance, and then there was another one, like the Trans Resistance something network or whatever.

01:16:15.000 Trans Radical Activist Network.

01:16:16.000 Yeah, like, I don't even know if these things exist.

01:16:19.000 Um, like, I see a lot of, like, I know Fox News wrote- I think it had a few thousand followers.

01:16:22.000 Yeah, it had, like, well, on Twitter, like, that- But they're the ones organizing the event in D.C.

01:16:27.000 tomorrow.

01:16:27.000 Yeah, but I'm curious how many people are gonna even show up to that.

01:16:29.000 Because I looked at that page, and it's, like, a WordPress page with, like, two links.

01:16:32.000 That's what it always is.

01:16:32.000 And the Twitter page has, like, 300 followers.

01:16:35.000 And you'll get- With no names attached.

01:16:36.000 You'll get a few hundred people to show up.

01:16:38.000 I bet it's a Russian app.

01:16:40.000 Oh, yeah?

01:16:40.000 Russia?

01:16:41.000 I mean, honestly, uh, I would not be surprised if it was Russia or China, or both.

01:16:45.000 Oh, wait, did they cancel it?

01:16:46.000 Oh, apparently they cancelled the April 1st thing.

01:16:49.000 Oh, really?

01:16:50.000 April Fool's!

01:16:51.000 Breaking news brought to you on the TimCast podcast.

01:16:54.000 What was the April 1st thing?

01:16:56.000 The Trans Day of Vengeance. 1.00

01:16:58.000 Oh, they cancelled it.

01:16:58.000 What a horrible name!

01:16:59.000 I know.

01:17:00.000 Where did you get that from?

01:17:01.000 Where was that news?

01:17:01.000 Well, that's good.

01:17:04.000 They did the right thing.

01:17:05.000 I think that was definitely being construed as a violent call, so I think that was the right move. 1.00

01:17:10.000 The organization says this action is not happening due to credible threat to life and safety.

01:17:14.000 Oh wow.

01:17:15.000 I think fight for your rights, okay.

01:17:16.000 Vengeance starts to get a little bit weird though.

01:17:19.000 Revenge, also the word revenge, I don't like the word revenge.

01:17:23.000 Can you have peaceful revenge?

01:17:24.000 I guess you can.

01:17:25.000 Watching someone fail is like a form of revenge if you're like me not doing anything.

01:17:30.000 I would say that's an unconventional use of the word though.

01:17:33.000 Probably not good.

01:17:35.000 Vengeance.

01:17:36.000 That implies past wrongdoing.

01:17:38.000 I do think it's absolutely insane that after what happened on Monday, the media's response to this was very, very much like, oh, the poor trans community, whereas they typically don't do that for any other mass shooting.

01:17:50.000 They don't lament the ideology.

01:17:51.000 Well, because what are the other mass shootings? 0.97

01:17:52.000 These are like white dudes. 0.97

01:17:53.000 We're really poor white people?

01:17:54.000 I think for this one there's a pretty big deal about it being a trans person, which I don't think it was necessarily made as big a deal for the past one.

01:18:00.000 out and say the same thing. It's like this one they did.

01:18:02.000 Yeah, but I think for this one there's a pretty big deal about it being a trans person, which

01:18:07.000 I don't think it was necessarily made as big a deal for the past one. And then I think

01:18:10.000 that the temperature is up really high right now because apparently Republicans have nothing

01:18:14.000 else to talk about but trans people, so we're like all focused and fixated on trans people

01:18:18.000 right now, so when a shooting happens with a trans person— I don't think it's Republicans. I think it's both

01:18:21.000 Republicans and Democrats.

01:18:22.000 Republicans are obsessed with trans people right now.

01:18:24.000 But Democrats are, you know, putting books like Genderqueer in schools, or I should say schools are putting those in place.

01:18:30.000 Loudoun County, we saw a Republican get elected in Virginia primarily because of what happened in Loudoun County, which is literally two seconds.

01:18:37.000 You get in the car, you drive 20 seconds, you're in Loudoun.

01:18:39.000 And it's because these schools, they had sexual assaults.

01:18:42.000 They had these books depicting graphic things for kids.

01:18:46.000 And then when parents wanted something done about it, Democrats called them bigots and ignored the problem.

01:18:51.000 So they turned to Republicans, Republicans embraced it.

01:18:53.000 Yeah, but isn't this, like, what school boards are for?

01:18:54.000 Like, don't you go to your school meetings, you say, we don't want this here, and then you talk to the superintendent?

01:18:57.000 Have you watched those meetings?

01:18:58.000 Some of them, but not all of them.

01:19:00.000 When the parents go and present the books, they get kicked out or silenced and told they can't speak about it.

01:19:04.000 For, really?

01:19:05.000 For all of them?

01:19:06.000 Absolutely.

01:19:07.000 All?

01:19:07.000 I didn't say all of them.

01:19:08.000 Well, because I can imagine it happening at, like, one or two meetings.

01:19:11.000 When Matt Walsh wanted to speak in Loudoun County, they changed the rules so that he wasn't allowed to, so he had to rent a basement apartment to be able to speak.

01:19:18.000 Was Matt Walsh a resident of that county?

01:19:20.000 No, and you didn't need to be.

01:19:21.000 Anyone was allowed to speak at these meetings about issues, so when they found out a prominent

01:19:24.000 conservative was coming, they changed the rule to bar him from coming, so he had to

01:19:28.000 become a resident.

01:19:30.000 That was not a rule normally.

01:19:31.000 Do you think that might be fair?

01:19:33.000 It is absolutely fair that someone in California can pay AOC $3,000 to help her win her campaign.

01:19:39.000 It's absolutely fair that in a Virginia gubernatorial election, someone from, where does he live,

01:19:45.000 Tennessee, comes over and says, like, here are my thoughts on this matter and why it's 0.63

01:19:49.000 To change the rules to bar it, I think is ridiculous.

01:19:51.000 And I think that's, but those are federal level things that we're talking about generally.

01:19:54.000 Not the governor one, but like the AOC one.

01:19:56.000 But don't you think it might be a little bit different?

01:19:57.000 Like, let's say that you've got like a... Wait, wait, wait, wait, full stop, full stop.

01:20:01.000 Outside the federal thing.

01:20:03.000 Local Democrats raise money out of state all the time.

01:20:05.000 Sure, I'm saying that if you have local superintendent meetings, if I go to my child's school to have a conversation about the curriculum with the teachers and there are other parents there, if I started to see people show up from California or Wyoming, we're from Nebraska, I'd be like, I don't know why you guys are here right now.

01:20:21.000 That would make me really uncomfortable.

01:20:22.000 Completely agree.

01:20:23.000 Yeah.

01:20:23.000 So if it was the case that, like, it might have been the case, and I don't know for the Matt Walsh thing, I don't know in particular, but it might have been the case that there wasn't a law in the books for that because it's just something that's never come up before.

01:20:31.000 But if it is going to be a thing, then I gotta understand, like, yeah, you don't need to be at these meetings.

01:20:34.000 This isn't, like, your political process.

01:20:35.000 This is a very local level thing.

01:20:37.000 Well, so to go back to the main point, to put it simply I suppose, Loudoun County was a flashpoint where parents were not being listened to, they were protesting.

01:20:44.000 I remember we went down to Catoctin Skatepark, we saw parents outside tabling being like, when we go to these meetings they won't listen to us, we need change.

01:20:52.000 And that was a huge rallying cry that gets a Republican elected.

01:20:55.000 So Republicans are looking at this, and they're hearing parents say, when the COVID lockdown stuff happened, and we heard what these teachers were telling our kids, we were shocked.

01:21:05.000 And when we tried to get these things changed, they resisted.

01:21:08.000 There's one parent's getting sued by the teachers, by the teachers union or whatever, filed a lawsuit against them because they asked for records on what's being taught to their kids.

01:21:17.000 I feel like if we look I'd be curious to look up that lawsuit because I feel like sometimes yeah okay look that one up I'm curious what they're actually being sued for um but the my question would be like can't you just vote out the superintendent like this is part of our local election process like if you don't like the school superintendent don't we vote on that I'm just trying to imagine what the resistance is.

01:21:34.000 And now what I'm wondering is, is there resistance for a majority of parents saying something or is it a few conservatives that are fighting against this and they're upset that their voice is being drawn up by the other parents that don't agree with them?

01:21:42.000 That'd be my question on this.

01:21:44.000 I think there's like a big difference between sexual degeneracy and transsexuality. 0.92

01:21:51.000 Well not for conservatives.

01:21:52.000 That's the unfortunate thing, is that people are talking about transsexuality as if it's degenerate, and it's not.

01:21:56.000 Waving your unit in front of a child in a bar is degenerate, in my opinion, whether it's in a public park or in a bar where they say it's okay to do it.

01:22:06.000 Sure.

01:22:06.000 I kind of wonder, maybe I'm being a little bit unfair here, but I kind of wonder for a lot of parents if the COVID lockdowns were the first time that they ever actually looked at what their kids were reading in school.

01:22:18.000 And then a lot of them were like, wait, what's going on here?

01:22:20.000 And so like the impression is that like, oh my God, all of this crazy stuff's made their way into the school.

01:22:24.000 It's like, well, no, that's been part of a curriculum for probably quite a while. 0.99

01:22:27.000 You just never noticed because it was a school, you don't actually give a shit what your kid is reading. 0.99

01:22:30.000 But that's just a guess. 0.99

01:22:31.000 I agree.

01:22:32.000 I think that's true.

01:22:33.000 There were a lot of videos where The kids were on Zoom classrooms, and the parents recorded it being like, what are they telling my kids?

01:22:41.000 And then what happened was, when these parents came out and started complaining about it, because no one knew what was going on and paid attention, they said, you're lying, it's not true, it's not happening.

01:22:49.000 But it is happening, and it is shocking, and because parents didn't pay attention, this is why I think it's become a major political issue right now.

01:22:55.000 Sure.

01:22:55.000 All right, what's this lawsuit, I'm curious.

01:22:57.000 I couldn't find it. 1.00

01:22:58.000 Oh, fuck, wow. 1.00

01:22:59.000 Yeah, there was... I would need a few minutes. 1.00

01:23:02.000 This is something that happens, because I always tell people, if you hear something, always look it up.

01:23:06.000 I'll hear something like a person was removed from a meeting just because they were asking questions, and then when I let her go read the story, it's actually like they were making a ton of noise, they were asked to leave once, it was private property, and then they were escorted off, and then they weren't even charged with a crime.

01:23:18.000 Things always get twisted, really hardcore, so I'm always curious when I hear, like, there's a lawsuit against somebody, like, what is it actually for?

01:23:24.000 Well, there's a bunch of these meetings, and the reason is, Parents, is this one from Fox News?

01:23:31.000 They'll try to read, like, they'll be like, hey, we came here to complain about this book, and you refuse to listen, so I'm going to read from this book.

01:23:38.000 And then once they do, they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't read that stuff in here, that's graphic!

01:23:42.000 And they're like, yes, but these are in our schools.

01:23:44.000 That's the problem.

01:23:46.000 Okay.

01:23:46.000 Yeah, I mean, here you go, here's one of the stories from a year ago.

01:23:49.000 Georgia parent reading sexual content from library at school board meeting is cut off as inappropriate.

01:23:54.000 Don't you find the irony?

01:23:55.000 The concerned parent shot back at the school board member. 0.84

01:23:58.000 So this is why people are concerned.

01:24:00.000 I mean, have you seen Genderqueer?

01:24:01.000 Have you seen that book?

01:24:02.000 It's just one book.

01:24:03.000 We had, uh, Asra Noumani came in and she brought, like, 50 different books with various critical race theory, racist ideology, as well as gender ideology stuff.

01:24:11.000 That was, like, really crazy.

01:24:14.000 Like, this book is really crazy and on Amazon it's listed as 18 and up only.

01:24:21.000 Aside from the overt sex acts that are in the book, that should not be accessible to children, there's a bunch of stuff in there that kids should not be reading about.

01:24:29.000 Just in general.

01:24:30.000 What, so like what school is including this?

01:24:32.000 Are they what, like giving it, assigning it as like sixth grade?

01:24:34.000 Libraries.

01:24:34.000 I think a few of them had it as curriculum, a lot of them had it as in the libraries.

01:24:41.000 Well, okay, so library and school are like two, those are two very different things.

01:24:46.000 Like, if my second grader can buy this at a scholastic book fair, that's one thing.

01:24:50.000 But if this is in, like, the library of, like, a high school, I think it's a bit different.

01:24:53.000 Like, there are adult sections in libraries at high schools.

01:24:55.000 Like, I don't know... High school librarian gaining attention online for promoting the genderqueer book to students.

01:25:01.000 Blah blah blah, I don't know, just Google it.

01:25:03.000 Uh, Ron DeSantis actually put together a presentation where he actually listed out all the schools that had these books.

01:25:09.000 And the craziest thing was that Nikki Fried, who's, like, the Democrat trying to run against him, Took a screenshot of what he posted and then wrote, posting buttplug porn to own the libs. 0.88

01:25:20.000 And it's like, yo, that is a book showing a buttplug next to an anus that they're showing children in grade schools, and that's what the complaint is about. 0.98

01:25:30.000 If even a Democrat gubernatorial candidate is calling it buttplug porn, I think we got a problem. 0.99

01:25:34.000 Sure, I just have to see what we're talking about.

01:25:36.000 Like, what you just brought up, was that a librarian in a school, or was it just a librarian?

01:25:40.000 High school librarian.

01:25:41.000 Oh, high school librarian.

01:25:42.000 And what is the book that's being complained about?

01:25:44.000 Well, I googled genderqueer.

01:25:46.000 Is it that they're, like, telling kids at the library to rent the book, or is it a librarian on Twitter promoting the book?

01:25:51.000 She went on TikTok and was telling, like, all of her students or whatever, like, you guys should get this book or something.

01:25:56.000 Was the book in the library, or was it just a librarian making a book?

01:25:58.000 Because I feel like these details are really important, right?

01:26:02.000 I don't know.

01:26:02.000 It matters!

01:26:03.000 You know?

01:26:04.000 Like, if a librarian is recommending a book, she's like, this is a good book to read.

01:26:06.000 Yes, they can be found at her school's library.

01:26:08.000 Okay, gotcha.

01:26:09.000 Okay.

01:26:09.000 She's making sure, at least.

01:26:10.000 Jeez.

01:26:10.000 Yeah, so, let me pull up the Rhonda Sanders one.

01:26:15.000 Because they keep saying he's banning books, and it's like, dude, telling kids you can't have Hustler in the library is not banning books, you know what I mean?

01:26:21.000 Let me see if, uh... I can't play this online, so don't pull this up.

01:26:26.000 I can't show you the... That's for the after-hours stream.

01:26:28.000 Yeah, we can do it there, but I don't even know if people are going to want to see it.

01:26:32.000 I want to see it.

01:26:34.000 I need to see it.

01:26:37.000 You got to give people a reason to come to the after-hour streams, okay?

01:26:40.000 Yeah.

01:26:40.000 Butt plugs and books might be it.

01:26:41.000 Yes.

01:26:41.000 Let me find the video.

01:26:42.000 If I search for it on Twitter, oh, here we go.

01:26:44.000 Is this it?

01:26:47.000 Ron DeSantis addresses book controversy.

01:26:49.000 I have to pull it up on Twitter.

01:26:51.000 Because on Twitter you have the full thing.

01:26:53.000 While he's looking, about Hillary's emails?

01:26:56.000 You said something was illegal about those?

01:26:58.000 What was the question?

01:27:00.000 Alright, we'll go back to it later.

01:27:01.000 So we won't show this on the stream because YouTube will give us a strike if I show this stuff.

01:27:05.000 Don't do it.

01:27:06.000 But, you know.

01:27:10.000 Cheers. 0.99

01:27:11.000 Yeah, Twitter video player sucks. 0.95

01:27:12.000 I'm going to have to reload it. 0.96

01:27:13.000 Well, you already saw that much.

01:27:15.000 I don't have my glasses on, so I can't see well, but I'm assuming it was a butt plug? 0.98

01:27:18.000 It was a butt. 0.99

01:27:19.000 It was a butthole. 1.00

01:27:21.000 Roberto Clemente. 0.99

01:27:23.000 Baseball.

01:27:24.000 What is, can you read the tweet for me?

01:27:25.000 What does the tweet say?

01:27:26.000 It says, yesterday we exposed the book ban hoax.

01:27:28.000 If news stations could not show this explicit material on air, why should it be shown in schools?

01:27:33.000 Oh, is that what it, okay, so they show genderqueer, there's some overt sex acts, there's, uh, two little boys engaging in what some, they should not be showing children, then where's the, uh, let me see, is this, it's not playing audio? 0.65

01:27:46.000 There's no sound coming out of this?

01:27:48.000 Third grade and discrimination in a way that an individual by virtue of his or her race

01:27:53.000 color sex or national origin is inherently racist or oppressive whether consciously or

01:28:00.000 unconsciously Here are the books parents found in Florida schools and

01:28:05.000 reported for removal What was found is shocking

01:28:11.000 Let's, uh, we'll make it bigger and then try and jump in.

01:28:13.000 This is an on-stream, right?

01:28:14.000 It's not, the audio is.

01:28:16.000 Okay.

01:28:16.000 The audio is.

01:28:17.000 Okay. 0.98

01:28:18.000 While noting that those dicks are so big, and if none of this causes you to pause, there's 1.00

01:28:22.000 another section where a group of boys masturbate together and are pressured to ejaculate into 1.00

01:28:27.000 a bottle. 0.99

01:28:28.000 A Mountain Dew bottle, of all bottles. 0.83

01:28:31.000 Aw, disgusting.

01:28:32.000 Are these ideologically driven hooks? 0.95

01:28:34.000 Oh, here we go.

01:28:34.000 Here we go, this is the really bad one.

01:28:35.000 My name is Eric O'Nolan and Matthew Nolan was found in a Broward County school and contains 0.73

01:28:40.000 graphic depictions of how to masturbate for males and females while also including an

01:28:45.000 entire section. 0.92

01:28:46.000 Yeah, so that's what Nikki Frey was complaining about. 0.99

01:28:49.000 That this is not appropriate for children, circling the butthole and explaining how to use butt plugs and all that stuff. 0.96

01:28:54.000 So, you know, I kind of think that shouldn't be. 0.97

01:28:57.000 I'm curious, so is this in a high school library?

01:28:59.000 Are these like in restricted sections?

01:29:00.000 Or what is the access to these books like?

01:29:01.000 Some of them are in grade schools.

01:29:03.000 I thought before it was just like a porn book.

01:29:04.000 This seems like, whether we agree or disagree, it seems like it's a guide for sexual exploitation for teenagers, essentially, is what it looks like. 0.98

01:29:11.000 Butt plugs go a bit beyond that. 0.82

01:29:14.000 You know.

01:29:15.000 They do, but kids stick a lot of weird things in their bodies. 1.00

01:29:16.000 There's a lot of girls that do a lot of fucking dumb things and end up hurting themselves. 1.00

01:29:19.000 Yeah, we shouldn't be giving children books explaining how to use butt plugs. 1.00

01:29:22.000 Probably not.

01:29:23.000 I generally probably agree.

01:29:24.000 Right.

01:29:25.000 But, again, like, I'm curious, like, what is the access?

01:29:27.000 That's just it!

01:29:27.000 That's just it.

01:29:28.000 It's like, hey, let's not have that book, though.

01:29:29.000 What is the access, though, right?

01:29:31.000 Because, like, again, if you tell me this is available to a second grader, that's a lot different than, like, I'm just saying, that's a lot different than, like, this is a high school book that, like, you have to be 18 and older to rent, right?

01:29:38.000 They actually did say this. 0.99

01:29:39.000 For anal sex, with an encouragement to use a butt plug, Even more startling is the guide on how to sext for children. 0.99

01:29:47.000 Encouraging them to send photos that don't include your face, hide your birthmarks and scars, and edit out your piercings and tattoos. 0.99

01:29:55.000 Books by Rupi Kaur, such as Homebody, Milk and Honey, and The Sun and Her Flowers.

01:30:01.000 Let me- let me jump back.

01:30:02.000 Because he- Hillsboro.

01:30:05.000 Okay, here we go.

01:30:05.000 They explain where they were found and how their kids were accessing them.

01:30:08.000 Sure.

01:30:11.000 Flamer, by Mike Curato, was founded Broward, Collier, Hillsboro, Marion, Seminole and Volusia County Schools.

01:30:20.000 The camp the boys go to in the book has an island that the book says... Okay, so they basically just outlined that it's in schools in Florida.

01:30:26.000 Yeah, I know.

01:30:26.000 I'm just saying, like, you agree there's a difference between, like, this is, like, in a high school that you've got to be, like, a junior or older to check out versus this is in, like, the grade school library.

01:30:35.000 These are two, like, pretty different things.

01:30:36.000 Some of them are in grade schools, yes.

01:30:38.000 Like, uh, genderqueer, the reason it got so much attention is because it was in grade school specifically.

01:30:42.000 I think it was in, like, a sixth grade classroom or something.

01:30:44.000 The teacher brought it in.

01:30:45.000 I don't know.

01:30:47.000 We cover all the stuff when it happens.

01:30:48.000 We have to pull it up right now.

01:30:49.000 But, like, look.

01:30:50.000 Simply put, this is what conservatives have been complaining about.

01:30:54.000 They're like, hey, you know, like, in Florida they said if you're in kindergarten to third

01:30:57.000 grade you should not have access to this stuff, they should not be teaching it, that's it.

01:31:01.000 After that, you can do, like, whatever.

01:31:04.000 Parents have a right to know about it, and they said that in fact teachers are still

01:31:08.000 allowed to talk about identity and sexual orientation stuff, but not in a classroom

01:31:12.000 setting, meaning a teacher could literally tell a student one-on-one if they asked, hey,

01:31:17.000 what's that picture on your desk?

01:31:18.000 Well, that's my husband, or whatever.

01:31:19.000 And, oh, okay, that wasn't banned.

01:31:21.000 What was banned was a classroom curriculum setting of educating kids on these issues.

01:31:26.000 And only kindergarten through third grade, though they are now expanding it to, I think, all through eighth grade or whatever.

01:31:31.000 I think it is important, the word children, because if you're 17 and tomorrow's your birthday, you're still a child, legally.

01:31:36.000 Yeah, I guess it's like, the thing that bothers me is that, like, conservatives will say things like, we shouldn't teach this to children, and it's like, some of these books would be incredibly inappropriate for, like, a six-year-old, but for, like, an 18-year-old, I don't know, it'd probably be good to know some of this stuff.

01:31:50.000 Well, an 18-year-old's totally different.

01:31:52.000 I know, but that's- 17-year-old.

01:31:54.000 So like, for instance, like, I'll fight over- Not in schools, man.

01:31:56.000 Wait, we're not in schools.

01:31:57.000 I don't think schools should have this stuff even for 17-year-olds.

01:32:02.000 Uh, there's a lot of stuff available in the library, I don't know.

01:32:04.000 Right, yeah, I think, like, a video explain- a book showing how to use a butt plug is over the line. 0.92

01:32:09.000 Sure, and even if you do think that- Sex ed stuff is fine. 0.98

01:32:11.000 Sure.

01:32:12.000 Well, I mean, that's part of it, right?

01:32:13.000 I really disagree.

01:32:15.000 Like, you're talking about kink, and kink goes beyond basic sex education.

01:32:18.000 Do you think that, like, uh, like, toys for women should be discussed in books?

01:32:21.000 No.

01:32:22.000 Okay.

01:32:23.000 They probably should- For kids, you mean?

01:32:24.000 What do kids mean?

01:32:26.000 For seventeen and under, I guess.

01:32:27.000 For, like, seventeen and eighteen year olds.

01:32:28.000 I think instruction manuals should not be in You know what I mean?

01:32:32.000 I think that the issue is that teenagers are engaging, and there's a lot of especially conservative parents that like to pretend that teenagers don't do anything sexual until they're 18.

01:32:44.000 And that's just not the case, regardless of what they want to believe, especially when half these conservatives get pregnant at 16, 17, 18.

01:32:48.000 Anyway, but there's a lot of people like to pretend that their kids aren't into anything sexual blah blah blah and then when it comes to children that are starting to exploit doing these things stupid things happen where people are putting dumb things in their bodies they end up going to ERs or worse they don't tell their parents at all and they have like these hugely complicated problems probably not the most common thing in the world but again I think that for like a 17 and 18 year old like books on this available at a school library that's not like assigned as part of the curriculum I think you can argue whether or not it's a big deal or not.

01:33:14.000 There's probably good arguments in both sets, but it's way different than, like, an eight-year-old having access to it.

01:33:17.000 But that was part of the issue.

01:33:19.000 The reason it comes up is because young kids did have access to these books, and that freaked people out.

01:33:23.000 Sure.

01:33:23.000 If that is the case, sure.

01:33:25.000 I just don't know if I believe that's the case yet, because I don't know if I'm seeing anything compelling.

01:33:27.000 But if it is, I agree.

01:33:28.000 Like, there should be an age-appropriate conversation around what's available to children.

01:33:32.000 Kindergarten through sixth grade, like, probably should have no access to any of this stuff.

01:33:35.000 I think we'd agree with that, right?

01:33:36.000 When Ron DeSantis' administration comes out and says, kindergarten through third grade,

01:33:39.000 none of this stuff, the Democrats came out and lied and said it was don't say gay.

01:33:43.000 Despite the fact that the bill barred people from also talking about straight marriage

01:33:46.000 as well.

01:33:47.000 I believe the issue with that bill was that after it specified K through three, I want

01:33:51.000 to say in the very next line, it said, and age-appropriate up to high school as well.

01:33:55.000 I think there was a vague interpretation there.

01:33:57.000 We can look up the actual bill itself, but I'm almost positive that it included up through

01:34:00.000 high school as a vague line after that K through three thing.

01:34:03.000 I'm almost positive because I remember we read the bill on stream.

01:34:05.000 But either way, it wasn't a don't say gay bill.

01:34:07.000 You couldn't say straight either.

01:34:09.000 No, well, the issue... You could not say straight.

01:34:11.000 I don't know if that was true that you couldn't say straight.

01:34:13.000 It did not specify the word gay or anything.

01:34:16.000 It just said you cannot talk about orientation or identity, which includes all of it.

01:34:21.000 Yeah, but the problem is you generally don't need to talk about an orientation if it's straight because that's just what you assume, right?

01:34:26.000 I think that the main concern, the legal argument that I heard for the concern for the quote-unquote don't say gay bill was that that bill created a private cause of action that any parent could sue or bring legal action to any school whatsoever, whatever they wanted to, if they felt like one of these things was being brought up in an appropriate manner.

01:34:40.000 And that might extend to just saying that, like, an author of a poem is gay.

01:34:44.000 You wouldn't necessarily say somebody's straight, because that's just assumed, right? 1.00

01:34:46.000 It's like in a movie, if we see, like, a husband and a wife kissing, nobody asks a question, but when two guys are kissing, it's like, well, why are they gay, right? 0.76

01:34:53.000 Obviously, there's going to be a bit of a different treatment for gay relations versus straight ones.

01:34:57.000 Let's go to Super Chats!

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01:35:12.000 We'll put it up on the front page.

01:35:13.000 And if you're a member, you have the opportunity to submit questions and actually call into the show and ask those questions.

01:35:18.000 So we will be taking calls from our Discord channel.

01:35:21.000 But for now, let's read some of these Super Chats. 0.62

01:35:24.000 Daniel, Cohen says, isn't Destiny a girl's name?

01:35:28.000 True.

01:35:30.000 Where does Destiny come from?

01:35:31.000 Is it just like a gamertag?

01:35:32.000 Yeah, I was like eight years old.

01:35:34.000 It was before the game.

01:35:36.000 Yes, unfortunately.

01:35:37.000 Did the game make you more popular?

01:35:39.000 Initially, it pissed me off because it kind of messed with my SEO, but I think I'm doing good now.

01:35:43.000 It's trending on Twitter right now.

01:35:44.000 Yeah, it always is, because the game is usually trending.

01:35:47.000 And then if I do anything, people talk about me too, so who gets mixed up?

01:35:50.000 I still get emails every now and then from people that are asking me, like, hey, can you reset the password on my Bungie account? 0.90

01:35:54.000 And like, yeah, it's kind of dumb.

01:35:56.000 All right, Freedom Jeffrey 1776 says, Hi Tim, how do I become an elite member?

01:36:01.000 You sign up at TimCast.com for the $100 tier and that makes you an elite member.

01:36:07.000 And then you get access to the elite chat room and the people hanging out in the elite chat room are networking.

01:36:12.000 That's the point.

01:36:13.000 So hopefully though, once we get our physical location set up, the third floor will be like the actual clubhouse.

01:36:19.000 And it will be basically like a hillbilly version of a social club that people in New York have.

01:36:24.000 So like in New York, they have the $50,000 a year clubs, like ridiculously expensive, like just Soho House or whatever.

01:36:30.000 We're gonna do the redneck version. 0.98

01:36:31.000 Wait, you're going to have like an actual place in here where fans are going to come and hang out?

01:36:35.000 We have purchased a three-story building in West Virginia that we are putting on the first floor, a coffee shop.

01:36:39.000 It's currently in the planning phase.

01:36:41.000 Okay.

01:36:42.000 Second floor is going to be gaming and hangout.

01:36:44.000 And then the third floor is the private club, which is going to be a hundred bucks a month.

01:36:49.000 Substantially cheaper than your typical social club.

01:36:52.000 So it's like the working class version of these things.

01:36:54.000 So people can hang out, meet each other and collaborate, you know, like clubs do.

01:36:58.000 Your own Equinox.

01:37:00.000 Is that what that is?

01:37:01.000 Well, I mean, like, in New York, I think the Soho house is like $50,000 a year to be a member.

01:37:05.000 It's crazy. 0.99

01:37:05.000 Damn. 0.99

01:37:06.000 Yeah, like $4,000 something per month they pay. 0.99

01:37:08.000 But then, like, there's free food, there's free drinks, you're hanging out with a bunch of rich people, so you're like, I got an idea for a business, and then someone connects you with someone else.

01:37:15.000 That's power, right there.

01:37:17.000 Helps people start businesses.

01:37:21.000 Alright, Wayback says, DeSantis put out a perfect statement in regards to the Trump indictment.

01:37:24.000 He said he won't assist in the extradition and it's a political pers- prosecution.

01:37:28.000 He's won me back with that statement.

01:37:30.000 Trump 2024, DeSantis 2028.

01:37:31.000 I thought it was fine.

01:37:33.000 Um, but it's- it's kind of like him being like, you know, don't count- I'm not involved.

01:37:37.000 As a- you know, so it is what it is.

01:37:38.000 You know, I'm not gonna- I give him a C minus.

01:37:41.000 C- C minus.

01:37:42.000 It's like, eh, whatever.

01:37:44.000 Alright, let's grab some more.

01:37:47.000 Mick Spencer says, Hey Destiny, thank you for being who you are and always holding fast to your principles.

01:37:51.000 I enjoy seeing you on EFAP way back.

01:37:55.000 What's that?

01:37:56.000 What's EFAP?

01:37:57.000 Oh man, it's a show called Every Frame a Painting, where they go over like movies, and it takes them like six hours to do a movie.

01:38:02.000 And I've been on a couple of those, I think.

01:38:04.000 Oh, they just break it down scene by scene?

01:38:05.000 Yeah, frame by frame.

01:38:07.000 Oh, wow.

01:38:09.000 All right, Max Reddick says, Tim, Sam Seder seems to think you are afraid to debate him, claiming that you asked him to come on the show during COVID as his excuse for not coming on.

01:38:18.000 Would you publicly ask him to come on the show?

01:38:20.000 So the issue with Sam is, I've known him for a really long time, and I made a tweet where I was like, we typically invite people on the left to come on the show, and then they just never do, they never respond, or they respond once and they don't get back to us.

01:38:33.000 And then Hassan and Sam both said, I'll totally do it.

01:38:36.000 And so I privately messaged both of them and said, awesome, would be excited to have you,

01:38:40.000 especially Sam, because Sam was the first guy to ever give me a shout out in media ever.

01:38:43.000 He said like, oh, look at these guys, Occupy Wall Street, fantastic work.

01:38:46.000 And I was like, we'll cover the cost of everything, we'll fly you out.

01:38:49.000 And then Sam basically was just like, I'm not going on your show.

01:38:51.000 And then tweeted accusing me of like, you know, making it up or something.

01:38:55.000 Oh, it might have been a COVID thing because he just went on Patrick Bette Davis' show.

01:38:59.000 He tweeted at me that he was going to come on the show and then privately was like, oh, I'm not coming out there.

01:39:02.000 And then I'm like, OK, whatever.

01:39:04.000 Like you said you would.

01:39:05.000 You actually set a date and everything.

01:39:06.000 I told you the date.

01:39:07.000 I told you the time.

01:39:07.000 You said yes, you agreed.

01:39:09.000 And now when I'm setting this up, you're like flaking out behind the scenes and then putting putting me on the spot.

01:39:13.000 If Sam wanted to, would you host a debate with him on your show?

01:39:17.000 No.

01:39:18.000 And, uh, Hasan, yes.

01:39:19.000 Hasan politely messaged me and said, Hey, look, man, I know I said I would.

01:39:23.000 I feel kind of something like I feel pretty bad, but like, I'm not comfortable flying right now with COVID.

01:39:27.000 And I was like, totally understand, dude, no problem.

01:39:29.000 Later on, when I asked him again, he's like, bro, I host my own show.

01:39:32.000 And I said, you are totally correct.

01:39:34.000 Like the idea that I'm going to ask someone who hosts their own show to cancel their show to come on my show.

01:39:40.000 I just totally get it.

01:39:41.000 So if I, like, Kyle Kalinske, for instance, has talked about coming on the show before, but I'm like, whenever you can, because I know you do your own show, like, I'm not, you know, if people want to come on the show, it's, it's, it's like doing me a favor.

01:39:52.000 But the issue with Sam is that I, I believe he is, like, he's a grifter.

01:39:58.000 You don't think he believes what he says?

01:39:59.000 I believe, I think, I think maybe half of it.

01:40:02.000 I think he doesn't know about a lot of issues and he says things just for the sake of shock value.

01:40:06.000 He makes a bunch of videos, he's like, another thing is like all he would do is rag on Dave Rubin.

01:40:10.000 He's like one of those guys who makes a bunch of videos just talking about drama and people that I'm really not interested.

01:40:15.000 And then the publicly agreeing to come on the show in good faith, like when I made a good faith offer, and then privately backtracking and then putting it on me and now claiming I'm scared, like the whole thing's a bit.

01:40:25.000 Tim's scared to debate me.

01:40:26.000 No, dude, he's just a low-brow grifter.

01:40:28.000 Bro, I'll have you on anytime you want to come on.

01:40:30.000 Like, here you are, and I think you're, like, substantially more intelligent and capable of debate than Sam Seder is.

01:40:39.000 I mean, obviously that's true.

01:40:40.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:40:41.000 I think Sam's a really smart guy.

01:40:42.000 I mean, I can't speak to your private messages, but yeah, I would hope.

01:40:45.000 I don't know.

01:40:46.000 I don't view him as a grifter.

01:40:47.000 I feel like Sam is pretty smart compared to most of the people.

01:40:50.000 If I was scared of anybody and allowed to debate, I think it would generally be Sam Seager.

01:40:53.000 I'll tell you one of the personal negative experiences, but like, still going to have him on the show, was when I tried to explain to him deontological versus utilitarian moral philosophy.

01:41:03.000 Oh, I watched this.

01:41:04.000 And he didn't understand it.

01:41:06.000 And so my like, how do you how do you convey an idea to someone who has who doesn't understand these concepts?

01:41:11.000 Well, I went for pop culture.

01:41:12.000 And instead, like it was a it was a bunch of I remember because you said the villain is usually the utilitarian guy.

01:41:18.000 I remember I watched this.

01:41:19.000 I remember.

01:41:19.000 So my I said, when I think we're talking about universal health care, and I said, it's utilitarian versus deontological morality or ethics, right?

01:41:26.000 Deontological ethics is basically stating that you cannot take an immoral action against an individual regardless of the outcome and utilitarian thinking is an action against an individual which is unethical is justified if it benefits the greater.

01:41:39.000 And Sam was like, I don't know what that means.

01:41:40.000 And I'm like, okay, how do I debate a guy who doesn't understand these concepts?

01:41:43.000 Well, me thinking, like, I'm here to convey ideas in good faith said, think about Thanos versus like Captain America.

01:41:49.000 Thanos wants to wipe out.

01:41:51.000 And then his response was to make a video and all of his fans mocking me for talking about Marvel.

01:41:56.000 But here's a better one.

01:41:57.000 When we released our first song, he ran it through an audio filter to make it sound bad and then played it on his show, calling it garbage and lying about it. 0.94

01:42:04.000 The dude is just the lowest of low tier grifters. 0.91

01:42:08.000 Did he?

01:42:08.000 I feel like I saw them.

01:42:09.000 Bro, he ran my song through an audio filter.

01:42:12.000 Was he on that episode?

01:42:13.000 Because it was the girl and the other guy.

01:42:14.000 I don't know.

01:42:15.000 I don't remember if he was on the show.

01:42:16.000 Sam Seder's show played the song we put out and put it through this weird filter to make it sound like garbage.

01:42:22.000 And that song actually did really well.

01:42:24.000 It's the best song we've had so far.

01:42:25.000 Charted on Billboard in a bunch of different categories.

01:42:28.000 And then they're just like, oh, it's so bad.

01:42:30.000 Oh, man, it sounds like Nickelback.

01:42:31.000 And I'm like, if anything, it sounds like emo, not Nickelback.

01:42:35.000 You know, I'll point something out about Sam.

01:42:36.000 It's all fake grifting.

01:42:37.000 Sam went on Patrick Bet-David's Valuetainment podcast.

01:42:40.000 I thought it was very cool.

01:42:41.000 I didn't see the whole thing, but they talked about Medicare, they talked about finances, and then Sam, you put up a video on your channel that says, it's a picture of you and Pat, and it says, Sam Seder debates rich guy who hates taxes.

01:42:51.000 Like, you didn't even use his name. 0.93

01:42:53.000 That's dirty, dude. 0.96

01:42:54.000 It's all grifting. 1.00

01:42:54.000 It's all fake garbage. 1.00

01:42:55.000 Like, he's a huge podcaster. 1.00

01:42:57.000 You should make a big deal out of that.

01:42:59.000 He's grifting.

01:43:01.000 Well.

01:43:02.000 But I love you, Sam, and I want to have you on.

01:43:04.000 I don't want to fight on every point.

01:43:05.000 That's part of the YouTube game.

01:43:06.000 People do that.

01:43:07.000 I'm sure if I go through your channel, I'm sure you guys have got, like, crazy thumbnails and titles and stuff.

01:43:10.000 Like, I think my editor probably puts up crazy thumbnails. 0.97

01:43:13.000 Like, there are times where I ask him, like, why didn't you have this person's name?

01:43:14.000 And he's like, oh, like, they don't do well on the algorithm.

01:43:17.000 You can't put that person's name in the title.

01:43:18.000 It'll fuck the video up or whatever.

01:43:19.000 Maybe that's for some of theirs, but yeah.

01:43:20.000 But actually, Valuetainment Podcast would algorithmically be boosted way more than Rich Dude, which is very generic.

01:43:26.000 Sure, possibly.

01:43:27.000 When you say Grifter, what do you mean by that?

01:43:29.000 I'm just curious.

01:43:29.000 In the literal sense, I believe that his shtick is to say things to convince people to watch, as opposed to say things principally which attract an audience.

01:43:38.000 Okay.

01:43:41.000 Me personally, yeah, there's a bunch of positions where my opinion has evolved or changed, notably with police.

01:43:46.000 We had Michael Malice on the show.

01:43:47.000 And then my position changes more towards, yeah, okay, maybe the cops aren't as, I'm not gonna defend the cops as much as I used to.

01:43:54.000 For someone like Sam, his people, whether it was him or otherwise, running my song through an audio filter to make it sound bad, that's just weird and dirty. 0.76

01:44:04.000 And there's been other instances.

01:44:06.000 Seriously though, I don't really care to think about the guy.

01:44:10.000 Okay.

01:44:10.000 But when I publicly said, like, bro, I would love to have you on the show here, I'm thinking, like, I've debated him before.

01:44:15.000 I know there were, like, people got their hoots and hollers out of it, but it would be great to have him on the show.

01:44:19.000 And then he pulls this stunt.

01:44:21.000 I'm just like, the dude played me and then made it seem like I'm the one who backed out.

01:44:25.000 It was all a grift to rally his audience.

01:44:28.000 Hasan didn't do that.

01:44:29.000 Hasan outright told me, like, I'm not comfortable traveling during COVID.

01:44:32.000 Sorry, bro.

01:44:32.000 And I was like, I appreciate it, man.

01:44:33.000 And that was the end of it.

01:44:34.000 I saw a tweet from Destiny about a week ago that says, I'm about to I forgive everybody from my past.

01:44:39.000 Something like that.

01:44:40.000 I'm moving forward.

01:44:41.000 Yeah, I like it.

01:44:44.000 All right.

01:44:45.000 All right.

01:44:45.000 Let's read some more super chats.

01:44:46.000 Free men die free says nobody will tolerate a Trump indictment while Bush, Biden and Obama roam free while being guilty of acts of treason and war crimes.

01:44:53.000 Powder keg is lit.

01:44:56.000 Whether—I'll say this to you, Destiny—whether you agree with them having committed crimes, the sentiment, I think you would agree, among the people of this country is probably there, right?

01:45:05.000 Yeah, the sentiment is there, but again, I think we have to—it's important to ask from a judicial point of view, like, what is the crime being committed?

01:45:10.000 Because sometimes we just really don't like somebody.

01:45:12.000 We want them to be, like, arrested, you know?

01:45:13.000 I agree, and I think you made a good point about think about if it was Hillary or Trump and, like, switch the positions.

01:45:18.000 I think the greater point often that I talk about though is the emotional state of this country can't tolerate something like this.

01:45:24.000 It doesn't matter if it's true or correct.

01:45:26.000 What matters is we know Trump supporters are going to outright be like, it's BS, it's unjust, end of story.

01:45:32.000 Maybe, but I feel like there is... I agree with you to some extent, but I think that a country's strength is measured by the veracity of its institutions.

01:45:41.000 And when your judicial institutions start to bend to the whims of whatever is politically expedient, you might be creating a more scary world than if you have to tolerate some tumultuous short-term period of political unrest.

01:45:52.000 I think that's a really important thing to consider.

01:45:54.000 You're in a really scary area when judges are thinking like, We could indict this guy, but man, you know, it's going to be really rough on Fox News for the next, like, seven days.

01:46:02.000 But that's how it goes.

01:46:03.000 It's like Chauvin.

01:46:06.000 Or the Ahmaud Arbery case.

01:46:07.000 You know about the Ahmaud Arbery case, right?

01:46:09.000 I'd imagine you'd be on the right side of that one.

01:46:11.000 Those were the guy that got chased down who was jogging in the neighborhood or whatever?

01:46:15.000 Well, the felony burglary suspect who was fleeing the scene of a crime.

01:46:19.000 It's amazing.

01:46:19.000 Oh man, we're gonna have a way different... This is the one where like... When did you watch the trial?

01:46:24.000 Parts of it, but this is a long time ago.

01:46:26.000 So the prosecution outright stated he was a felony burglary suspect.

01:46:29.000 If you get your news from like, corporate press or whatever... Oh my god, I'm not familiar with the case.

01:46:33.000 Do you, are you uh... Well then just look into it, because I think you'd come out on the right side of it.

01:46:36.000 I did, but there were like, there were so many claims.

01:46:37.000 Like somebody claimed that, for instance, like he didn't have tennis shoes on, he had boots on or whatever.

01:46:40.000 But then I saw pictures of what it was, like no, these are not boots.

01:46:43.000 Right, that's a lie.

01:46:44.000 That's immaterial.

01:46:45.000 So the issue was the police went door to door, Everybody had known that someone had been committing burglaries.

01:46:49.000 A gun had been stolen from a vehicle.

01:46:51.000 The cops showed the picture of Ahmed Aubrey to a bunch of the neighbors.

01:46:54.000 When Aubrey entered a home under construction and was seen, neighbors all called each other.

01:47:00.000 Someone witnessed the guy running down the street, and they were like, hey, that's the guy.

01:47:04.000 The McMichaels got in the truck and chased after him.

01:47:06.000 We're told by police not to pursue, but pursued anyway.

01:47:09.000 They were in front of him.

01:47:11.000 Arbery had a guy behind him who was filming the whole time.

01:47:14.000 Arbery ran around the truck and then grabbed Travis, I think it was Travis Michael's shotgun, and they fought over it.

01:47:19.000 It went off into his chest, killing him.

01:47:22.000 I think we can make a whole bunch of arguments about whether they should have followed or not followed, but the fact that the dude who simply filmed it is spending the rest of his life in prison, I think, says a lot about the fact that it was totally bunk.

01:47:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:34.000 I'm not coming out here saying he stole a lollipop from a little kid while wearing construction boots and that Kim was jogging.

01:47:39.000 into it and it's going to be completely different than how you've said it.

01:47:41.000 No, no.

01:47:42.000 I'm not sure.

01:47:43.000 I just can't comment because I don't know the details of it.

01:47:45.000 I'm not coming out here saying he robbed, he stole a lollipop from a little kid while

01:47:48.000 wearing construction boots and that Kim was jogging. 0.57

01:47:51.000 I'm giving you like, so the conviction was due to the fact that under the citizen's arrest

01:47:55.000 law there was a potential interpretation where the gist of it is if it's a misdemeanor, you

01:48:00.000 had to have witnessed the crime, but if it's a felony, you're allowed to make a citizen's

01:48:03.000 arrest without being a witness to the crime.

01:48:06.000 The issue was, it was an old law that was written in a simplistic way that had like a comma or something, and the jury instructions by the judge was, you interpret how you see it.

01:48:15.000 The prosecution argued, regardless of a felony or misdemeanor, you had to be a witness.

01:48:19.000 And the defense argued, no, no, no, there's two different clauses here.

01:48:22.000 If it's a misdemeanor, you need to be a witness.

01:48:24.000 However, it's a felony, you can make an arrest.

01:48:26.000 The jury decided to take the prosecution's interpretation, and thus they were convicted.

01:48:30.000 So, simply put, the left argues he was trespassing.

01:48:33.000 No, no, no.

01:48:34.000 The prosecution outright said he was a suspect in a felony burglary.

01:48:37.000 But because they did not witness the felony burglary, they had no justification for a citizen's arrest.

01:48:42.000 When they say he was a witness for a felony burglary, what does that mean?

01:48:46.000 Suspect.

01:48:47.000 Suspect for a felony burglary.

01:48:48.000 What does that mean?

01:48:49.000 It means he had illegally entered a private residence.

01:48:51.000 Had he?

01:48:52.000 Yes, he's on camera doing it.

01:48:54.000 Yeah, and so the left said he's just trespassing.

01:48:54.000 Okay.

01:48:56.000 It's just no like Burglary does not mean theft.

01:48:59.000 It means when you illegally enter someone's property.

01:49:01.000 And then so then the story that you're telling me is these three guys were just following him in a truck.

01:49:06.000 Two guys.

01:49:06.000 The third guy saw him running on the street and started filming on his phone.

01:49:10.000 Completely unrelated to the McMichaels.

01:49:12.000 He got charged along with him and is spending the rest of his life in prison.

01:49:16.000 That's a crazy story.

01:49:19.000 I'll try to look it up more, because when I argue with left-leaning people about Rittenhouse, they give me crazy interpretations as well, but that's the case I'm far more familiar with.

01:49:24.000 But we were right about Rittenhouse.

01:49:27.000 You were right about Rittenhouse.

01:49:28.000 Yeah, but that's just a case I'm more familiar with.

01:49:31.000 I think if you look into the Arbery case, you're going to be like, oh wow, yeah.

01:49:35.000 When the Arbery case, what did he enter?

01:49:38.000 There was a house under construction.

01:49:40.000 He's on camera going into the property, and he looks around and then he leaves.

01:49:44.000 That's felony burglary.

01:49:46.000 Now, I'm not here to argue semantics or morality.

01:49:48.000 I'm saying that's literally under the law felony burglary, which the McMichaels use as justification.

01:49:52.000 So, there had been a string of literal burglaries.

01:49:55.000 Like, okay, let me slow down.

01:49:56.000 There had been a string of colloquially defined burglaries, where someone entered property and took items.

01:49:56.000 Sure.

01:50:01.000 Uh-huh.

01:50:02.000 The circumstance in question that he was a suspect on was he was caught on camera entering private property, looking around, and then leaving.

01:50:11.000 That makes him, you know, if that is proof that he committed the crime, that is felony burglary.

01:50:17.000 We've actually dealt with this.

01:50:18.000 So people need to understand this.

01:50:20.000 If you have property with no fence, no barrier, people are allowed to walk on your property and do whatever they want.

01:50:25.000 All you can do is ask them to leave.

01:50:27.000 If you put up a sign saying no trespassing, And they walk onto your property, they're now guilty of a slap on the wrist trespassing charge, because they've been given a warning.

01:50:36.000 If you take a piece of thread, a tiny piece of thread, and wrap it around your property, and someone goes underneath it, they've now committed felony burglary, because they have bypassed a physical barrier, regardless of what that barrier is.

01:50:49.000 So when he entered the house, he had committed a felony.

01:50:52.000 Now, he wasn't convicted of it, I don't know.

01:50:53.000 The point was, there were a string of burglaries and the police were asking people, have you seen this man?

01:50:59.000 So when they saw him running into the street, they were like, that's the guy the cops told us about!

01:51:02.000 Chased after him, called the police, the police said, do not pursue.

01:51:05.000 Okay, hold on.

01:51:06.000 So when you say this, okay, Jesus Christ, it's been so long and I didn't cover this one closely.

01:51:09.000 So when you say the cops told him that, right?

01:51:11.000 So I'm just, I'm looking at an article from The Independent.

01:51:13.000 The white father and son accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery were told by police that he wasn't a burglar days before they chased the black 25-year-old and shot him dead in the street, according to prosecutors.

01:51:21.000 So were the prosecutors lying there, or did the police specifically say that this guy was not a burglar?

01:51:25.000 I need to know where that article's from, because I'm talking about facts after the case.

01:51:30.000 These are opening statements relating to the trial of the three white men accused of murdering black 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery.

01:51:36.000 The police went to them and said, we're looking for this man.

01:51:39.000 he is a felony burglary suspect.

01:51:41.000 The issue- Apparently the prosecutors also shared statements from the

01:51:44.000 suspects where they admitted that they did not believe that he'd even stolen anything.

01:51:47.000 Apparently Greg Gray- Stealing is not burglary though.

01:51:49.000 That's the important distinction.

01:51:51.000 Burglary is illegally entering a premises by crossing the barrier.

01:51:54.000 But they were chasing him because they thought that he had carried out other burglaries.

01:51:57.000 Exactly.

01:51:58.000 Yeah.

01:51:59.000 Right.

01:52:00.000 But apparently- He wasn't just jogging, right?

01:52:02.000 This is not- look- Yeah, but I'm saying like, was the citizen's arrest because 1.00

01:52:07.000 he walked into a property because They thought he was stealing shit. 0.97

01:52:10.000 A gun had gone missing and they thought he was the guy who did it. 0.99

01:52:12.000 There was a string of thefts and burglaries.

01:52:14.000 But then when Gregory McMichael is here telling investigators, I don't think the guy's actually stolen anything out of there for statements relating to seeing him.

01:52:19.000 That was a video where he enters a building and then leaves.

01:52:23.000 They believe that that was evidence that he had been the person who had actually been stealing things.

01:52:28.000 A few weeks prior to the incident, a gun had been stolen from a vehicle.

01:52:30.000 That's the most pronounced part of the story.

01:52:32.000 Gotcha.

01:52:35.000 Also, Travis McGill shot Mr. Arbery three times with a shotgun.

01:52:39.000 That sounds like it went off more than once.

01:52:40.000 You should watch the video.

01:52:41.000 Okay.

01:52:42.000 Do you think we're all three when they were fighting over it?

01:52:44.000 It's off camera.

01:52:45.000 So here's the issue.

01:52:46.000 Okay.

01:52:46.000 If two people are holding a gun, they're both in possession of the gun.

01:52:49.000 Sure.

01:52:50.000 So it's not as simple to say in a news story that he shot him three times.

01:52:53.000 That's a prosecutorial argument.

01:52:54.000 Yeah, but two people holding a shotgun.

01:52:56.000 And fighting over it, and then it goes off.

01:52:58.000 Three times?

01:52:59.000 semi-auto shotgun. Probably it went off, he was still holding it, and then he fired it two more times.

01:53:03.000 Okay, a shotgun, you fired a shotgun before, right? Oh yeah.

01:53:06.000 Well, two people holding, even with buckshot, if you pull a trigger with two people, that shotgun's gonna

01:53:10.000 go flying. So it's really weird, if you watch the video, you can see both of their hands are

01:53:13.000 on it, and they're shaking it back and forth. They had tight grips. I don't know.

01:53:18.000 Maybe.

01:53:19.000 I'll look it up later.

01:53:19.000 But also, taking into consideration the statements of the defense and the prosecution are going to favor their view of the story.

01:53:24.000 Of course.

01:53:25.000 And the ultimate conclusion was based on the fact that they were performing a citizen's arrest, but because they had not witnessed a felony in progress, they had no right to perform a citizen's arrest thus.

01:53:35.000 And because the cops told them explicitly to back off, apparently.

01:53:37.000 Exactly.

01:53:38.000 And that he wasn't a burglary suspect?

01:53:40.000 He was.

01:53:40.000 But the cops... Apparently the prosecutor said that the cops had made the statement to these people days earlier that he explicitly was not a burglary suspect.

01:53:48.000 Do we have the video to watch?

01:53:50.000 The video of the shooting?

01:53:51.000 The shotgun?

01:53:52.000 Yeah, I'm curious.

01:53:52.000 Oh, I mean, I'll try and pull it up, but I gotta be honest, we recently tried pulling it up, it's really hard to find.

01:53:56.000 But let's read some more superchats.

01:53:59.000 But anyway, my point is just this, not that it's, like, the clearest cut case of self-defense, like with Kyle Rittenhouse, but it's that this guy's not a jogger.

01:54:06.000 It's not so simple, say, like, three guys lynched this dude or whatever.

01:54:10.000 Wait, was he not a jogger?

01:54:12.000 Like, come on, bro.

01:54:13.000 You think a guy drove 26 miles from his house to jog through a random suburban neighborhood?

01:54:17.000 Um, I don't even know if that's how- this reminds me of like when people like did Rittenhouse go to a whole other state to defend his property.

01:54:22.000 The dude didn't live there.

01:54:24.000 Yeah, sure, but I don't know where he- I don't know where he lives.

01:54:26.000 Maybe- maybe he lives in an apartment complex, he drives around so drunk.

01:54:28.000 I don't know.

01:54:28.000 I truly don't know.

01:54:29.000 I don't know.

01:54:29.000 Yeah.

01:54:30.000 We'll read some more Super Chats and then we'll- we'll- we'll talk more, you know, members only.

01:54:34.000 I don't want to, uh- Would a guy- would a guy drive 26 miles to walk into a construction site and walk away?

01:54:38.000 I'm not sure, like- That's what he apparently did.

01:54:41.000 Well, but purportedly he was jogging, right?

01:54:43.000 So they say he was jogging, but there's video you can watch of him entering this property.

01:54:47.000 And then the left was like, well, he was just looking around, you know?

01:54:49.000 It's like, come on.

01:54:50.000 He's jogging and then decides to go look around in someone's private property?

01:54:53.000 It's just weird.

01:54:53.000 If it's an under-construction site, I don't know.

01:54:55.000 No, dude.

01:54:57.000 Seriously?

01:54:57.000 You're telling me that a shot went off three times in a guy's chest while he was fighting over it?

01:55:01.000 That's a seriously question, right?

01:55:02.000 Watch the video.

01:55:02.000 I don't know.

01:55:03.000 I would want to see the video.

01:55:04.000 Do your super test.

01:55:04.000 Go, sorry.

01:55:05.000 But no, but like, the idea that someone went jogging that decides to, in the middle of the night, jog in the middle of the night and then go into someone's house just doesn't seem to make sense to me.

01:55:12.000 Construction site, but yeah.

01:55:13.000 But like, it's not like a barren frame.

01:55:16.000 It's a house.

01:55:17.000 It's a fully constructed house.

01:55:18.000 Gotcha.

01:55:19.000 And there's like materials inside, they're doing the interior, but whatever.

01:55:21.000 Okay.

01:55:23.000 Alright, let's see what we got here.

01:55:25.000 Mike Casanelli with Big Ol' Super Chat.

01:55:26.000 It just says, celebrate the first Super Chat.

01:55:29.000 Well, thank you very much.

01:55:29.000 They started doing that thing where it's like whenever you Super Chat for the first time you get an award or something on YouTube.

01:55:34.000 Oh yeah, in the little YouTube chat.

01:55:37.000 Nice.

01:55:37.000 Do you guys have memberships for your YouTube yet?

01:55:40.000 Uh, we had members-only chat, but we switched to just running a Discord because it's better.

01:55:44.000 Oh, okay.

01:55:44.000 And then let people do the free chat.

01:55:45.000 I mean, you can pay for memberships on YouTube to get little icons next to your name if you guys want.

01:55:48.000 Yeah, we do.

01:55:48.000 We do have that.

01:55:49.000 They have little beanies.

01:55:50.000 Oh, cute.

01:55:51.000 And you get Bocas and Roberto Junior emojis.

01:55:53.000 Gotcha.

01:55:54.000 All right, let's see.

01:55:55.000 Let's grab some good ones while we're here.

01:55:59.000 Iggy the Incubus says, seeing as Pandora's Box is open, can we indict Bush for lying to America to justify Iraq's invasion?

01:56:04.000 What about Obama for Abdulrahman al-Awlaki?

01:56:10.000 I mean, how about we just go for Bush and the Iraq invasion and all that stuff?

01:56:12.000 Should he be arrested for that?

01:56:15.000 Is it illegal for the President to lie to his citizens?

01:56:17.000 I don't know.

01:56:17.000 Is that a law?

01:56:18.000 I'm not sure if that's a law.

01:56:20.000 Man.

01:56:21.000 It should be, like, declaring war. 0.98

01:56:26.000 All right, let's grab some super chats.

01:56:31.000 I'm trying to find a good one, you know, so bear with me, guys.

01:56:36.000 says, Tim, Libby listened to you in an article about Biden saying trans people shape our nation's soul, no affirming care, only child sex change and medical mutilation.

01:56:36.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:56:44.000 Nice.

01:56:45.000 Correct words.

01:56:46.000 Oh, hi, Destiny.

01:56:47.000 I know, I'm always yelling at the post-millennials, it's funny. 0.99

01:56:49.000 And they like, they listen to the show and Libby's always hanging out, so it's like, they know, like, they know I know that they're gonna listen.

01:56:56.000 But they wrote an article where they said something like assault rifle, and I was like, it's not an assault rifle, so they fixed it, and then they called something gender-affirming care, and I'm like, just call it a child sex change.

01:57:06.000 Alright, what do we got?

01:57:09.000 Just a lot of people who don't like Destiny.

01:57:11.000 Based?

01:57:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:13.000 Uh, let's see what we got.

01:57:14.000 Noob Actuals says, Hey Tim, I appreciate your insight on the show you give.

01:57:17.000 I'd love to see you guys reach out to Lucas Botkin.

01:57:20.000 He has very radical, really traditional 2A views.

01:57:22.000 Top-notch American.

01:57:23.000 Very interesting.

01:57:26.000 Alright.

01:57:29.000 Yo, uh, Yomenai Gaming says, This is infuriating.

01:57:32.000 Destiny is outright wrong about Trump.

01:57:33.000 He never threatened to withhold aid.

01:57:35.000 Biden did that.

01:57:36.000 On camera, look up the Trump call.

01:57:38.000 Wow.

01:57:39.000 Is that true?

01:57:40.000 Today's the first I've ever heard that Trump was threatened to withhold aid also.

01:57:44.000 Pretty sure that's what he got impeached for.

01:57:46.000 That was that was the news narrative.

01:57:48.000 But to be fair, we should probably just pull up the actual transcript of the call and then be right about as to whether it was or wasn't.

01:57:57.000 All right.

01:57:58.000 Just, uh, let's see, here's another one that says Destiny's a liar.

01:58:01.000 Yes.

01:58:04.000 All right.

01:58:05.000 John Casey says, does anyone believe that Trump can receive a fair trial in New York, let alone in New York City?

01:58:10.000 They want to take this farce to court, fine, but they should have to change it as a neutral, to a neutral venue as possible.

01:58:17.000 To as neutral a venue as possible.

01:58:19.000 What does that mean?

01:58:20.000 It shouldn't be tried in New York City.

01:58:22.000 Yeah, but I mean, like, what would be a neutral venue for Donald J. Trump?

01:58:27.000 Uh, if you go north of New York City, literally 45 minutes, you actually get a 50-50 zone.

01:58:34.000 Sure.

01:58:34.000 You get a jurisdiction with a court that's like— I'm just saying that, like, I'm imagining, like, interviewing jurors, like, do you have a strong opinion on Donald Trump?

01:58:39.000 Like, it feels like everybody's gonna be incredibly opinionated on him.

01:58:42.000 Well, no, but there's, like, if you go 45 minutes north of New York, like, not even—of Manhattan.

01:58:47.000 If you go just north of, like, the Bronx, it's 50-50 Republican-Democrat.

01:58:51.000 So if they asked people, you'd get people to be like, yeah, I voted for him.

01:58:54.000 Sure, oh yeah, no, but I mean, like, typically, a jury's supposed to be unbiased.

01:58:57.000 It's not supposed to be six in favor of him or six against him.

01:58:59.000 It's supposed to be like... Right, right, right.

01:59:01.000 It's just going to be heated, yeah.

01:59:02.000 There's no way to get a jury who's going to be like, I don't know who this man is.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:59:05.000 Who I don't have strong opinions on, yeah.

01:59:07.000 Do you know who this man is?

01:59:08.000 I do.

01:59:09.000 He was the president.

01:59:10.000 Do you like him?

01:59:10.000 Oh, boy.

01:59:12.000 That's going to be scary, too, because there's going to be people who are going to look around, and they're going to be thinking they do like him, but they're not going to say it publicly.

01:59:19.000 William Jones says, Tim, you need to get update on your two-way rights.

01:59:22.000 You can use weed and have guns.

01:59:24.000 Courts gave it the okay about a month ago.

01:59:26.000 I don't think that's on the, uh, the forms right now.

01:59:29.000 I don't think it's on the forms.

01:59:31.000 Alright, El Rojo Grande says, Obama was sued by the ACLU for that strike and lost.

01:59:37.000 The courts have already decided it wasn't lawful, which can only mean it was a crime, just never charged.

01:59:42.000 Hm.

01:59:43.000 Wait, what is that?

01:59:43.000 If they sued him for that and lost, how did they decide it was unlawful?

01:59:47.000 Uh, yeah, it depends.

01:59:49.000 Was it like a wrongful death suit?

01:59:50.000 Like, it depends on what the lawsuit was.

01:59:53.000 But, you know, like, wasn't O.J.?

01:59:55.000 He won the criminal case but lost the civil case?

01:59:58.000 Sure.

01:59:58.000 And then he wrote a book called If I Did It, and then the family won the rights to the book and then made the if really, really small.

02:00:03.000 Yep.

02:00:04.000 And it just says, I did it, you know?

02:00:08.000 That was funny.

02:00:09.000 All right.

02:00:11.000 David Morton says, I disagree with Destiny on almost everything, but he has my respect for standing up to the online jihadis.

02:00:20.000 Russell Miller says, Tim and Destiny, true centrists.

02:00:22.000 I can agree and disagree with both of you on different topics, but I recognize legitimacy of your stances.

02:00:27.000 White Pill episode.

02:00:29.000 What is that supposed to mean?

02:00:30.000 I think it means that, like... I'm half-Cuban.

02:00:32.000 I don't appreciate that.

02:00:33.000 Well, like, people think you're being honest about your views.

02:00:36.000 I don't appreciate being called white-pilled.

02:00:37.000 White-pilled?

02:00:38.000 It just means optimism.

02:00:39.000 Okay.

02:00:40.000 Yeah.

02:00:40.000 I'll let it slide for now.

02:00:41.000 White-pilled means you give them hope for the future.

02:00:44.000 Okay.

02:00:44.000 Yeah, it's a good thing.

02:00:45.000 Dye your hair blue.

02:00:46.000 It's a good thing.

02:00:46.000 Dye your hair blue.

02:00:48.000 Yeah, a lot of blue-haired comments.

02:00:50.000 What made you decide to dye it blue?

02:00:52.000 Charity.

02:00:53.000 Oh, interesting.

02:00:54.000 But now I like it, because it triggers the ever-living hell out of people. 0.75

02:00:56.000 I'm like the blue-haired guy, cuck, that everybody hates. 0.82

02:00:59.000 Well, there you go. 0.71

02:01:00.000 All right, here's what we're going to do.

02:01:02.000 If you haven't already, would you kindly... Here we go.

02:01:05.000 Ant345 says, when I worked on a house under construction, someone robbed about $3,000 in tools and materials.

02:01:10.000 That happens a lot.

02:01:11.000 That means a lot.

02:01:12.000 Alright, if you haven't already, would you- oh wait, hold on, I gotta read one more.

02:01:16.000 Spidgebee says, Sam Cedar is obsessed with Tim.

02:01:18.000 Half of his thumbnails have Tim Pool in the headline.

02:01:20.000 If you're gonna go low, go get Ethan Klein.

02:01:22.000 He'll bring Cedar like he did to Crowder.

02:01:24.000 Two for one.

02:01:24.000 Ha ha ha ha ha.

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02:01:59.000 Destiny, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:01.000 YouTube.com slash Destiny, Instagram.com slash Destiny, and Twitter.com slash TheOmniLiberal.

02:02:06.000 And also, for the show that Tim is doing, and me, I don't think we'll be on the same one, but Festival.Minds.com if you want to buy tickets to the event going on in Austin by the guys that are working at Minds.com.

02:02:18.000 Actually, I checked that URL and it didn't take me to a ticket page, so it might be tickets.vulcanpresents.com at the moment.

02:02:26.000 They may end up changing that and doing both.

02:02:29.000 Oh, true.

02:02:29.000 Yeah, Sean, good one.

02:02:31.000 If you're listening to me, you gave me the wrong link, so suffer.

02:02:33.000 So you can go to tickets.vulcanpresents.com, and that's where you can get the tickets.

02:02:38.000 April 15th, MindsFest. 0.99

02:02:39.000 Damn. 0.99

02:02:41.000 Sean? 0.99

02:02:42.000 If you want to see Stephen debate Milo, it's going to be happening on April 11th, University of Tennessee, Knoxville.

02:02:48.000 UncensoredAmerica.us for tickets for that, and more upcoming events.

02:02:52.000 We're coming back to Penn State after a girl spit on Alex Stein, so we'll see what happens next time. 0.89

02:02:57.000 People follow you on Twitter?

02:02:58.000 Oh, what's that?

02:02:59.000 I was going to say, that's going to be interesting, because between the two of you, I don't know how anyone's going to talk.

02:03:04.000 You mean me and Milo?

02:03:05.000 We're going to moderate it.

02:03:06.000 It's going to be a little physical gesticulation.

02:03:09.000 Show your feelings.

02:03:10.000 Is he straight now?

02:03:11.000 He's ambiguous.

02:03:13.000 Here's the thing.

02:03:14.000 The media lied about it. 0.63

02:03:15.000 He says ex-gay.

02:03:17.000 Milo explained that he's still attracted to men, but he abstains. 0.96

02:03:20.000 He's less of a degenerate now.

02:03:22.000 He's kind of given up the degeneracy lifestyle. 0.95

02:03:24.000 And so for that, if he's not having sex with men at the moment, it doesn't necessarily mean he's straight or gay.

02:03:28.000 He's just celibate. 0.99

02:03:29.000 He prefers reformed sodomite. 0.63

02:03:31.000 Yeah.

02:03:32.000 He's not straight. 1.00

02:03:33.000 What if he had sex with women? 0.94

02:03:35.000 So his point was that when he came out and said this, he's still attracted to men, but he's choosing to abstain from sex altogether. 0.87

02:03:41.000 Oh, altogether.

02:03:42.000 The media came out and said he's claiming he's straight now, and he never said that.

02:03:44.000 Are you really gay if you abstain completely?

02:03:46.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:03:47.000 I wonder what makes you gay, the act of sex or wanting it. 1.00

02:03:50.000 All right, all right, let's get to the members only section. 0.99

02:03:52.000 I'm Ian Crossley.

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02:03:54.000 We also have Serge Duprea.

02:03:56.000 Yeah, Serge.com.

02:03:57.000 Let's get to the members only.

02:03:58.000 Alright everybody, we will see you all over at TimCast.com in about seven or so minutes.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 30, 2023

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