Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - FBI Hunter Biden Censorship CONFIRMED PSYOP w-Vivek Ramaswamy & Lauren Chen

00:00:01.000 I just clicked go live on my browser.

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00:00:05.000 Right now I just pulled it up on my phone and we are not live.

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00:00:13.000 Well, it's live now, isn't it?

00:00:15.000 No, it's not.

00:00:16.000 It's pulled up right now.

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00:00:20.000 It's our background.

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00:00:22.000 Like I see it on my phone.

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00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:25.000 I think you said you have to do something.

00:00:27.000 I know.

00:00:28.000 Hello.

00:00:30.000 I'm waiting.

00:00:30.000 Oh, people are saying live.

00:00:31.000 We're live.

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00:00:34.000 How's it going, everybody?

00:00:35.000 I think we're live now.

00:00:36.000 So here's what happened.

00:00:38.000 We did the show at Turning Point USA.

00:00:41.000 This is Tim Cass IRL, by the way.

00:00:42.000 Not the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:45.000 We were doing the show at Turning Point USA's AmericaFest.

00:00:49.000 It was really, really awesome.

00:00:51.000 And then we're here for the rest of the week, so they were giving us studio space and equipment to continue our show.

00:00:57.000 Otherwise, what would happen is we fly out for the weekend, we do the live show, and then we have to fly back the next day, and we won't be able to do the show if that was the case.

00:01:07.000 So we're just doing it here.

00:01:09.000 And we're on the set of the Charlie Kirk Show because the temporary studio that we ended up building, for some reason, at the very last minute, the camera stopped working.

00:01:16.000 That's why everyone's like, are you live?

00:01:18.000 They're not live.

00:01:19.000 They're late.

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00:01:20.000 We all just ran full speed over to Charlie's studio and then just jumped in his chairs.

00:01:24.000 So we're going to talk about the news today.

00:01:26.000 We actually have some big news.

00:01:28.000 The FBI knew the Hunter Biden laptop story was real, and they lied to Big Tech, they lied to the media, in what is definitively, now confirmed, a psy-op.

00:01:37.000 They knew the story was real.

00:01:39.000 They knew that crackhead Hunter Biden lost a laptop. 0.84

00:01:43.000 And they tried making this narrative that was more like, oh, you know, maybe someone hacked the data and then cloned the machine and then planted it at the computer shop, which is this ridiculous conspiracy, as opposed to the more simple narrative of, You know, the poor guy is a drug addict and he lost a laptop. 0.85

00:01:57.000 It happens.

00:01:58.000 So we got that.

00:01:59.000 We have Stanford who released a guide on, what is it, dangerous language, hateful language?

00:02:05.000 You know, standard language that is not, you know, American.

00:02:09.000 Right, they're saying that it's hurtful to use the word American.

00:02:13.000 And then we have a bunch of other stories too.

00:02:14.000 We'll get into a lot of stuff too.

00:02:16.000 Harmful language was the exact quote.

00:02:18.000 And then we have this viral post on Twitter where, I'm just gonna say, I'm sorry guys, it's not family friendly, but there's a new version of the pride flag which has a puckered anus on it. 0.62

00:02:26.000 I mean, that's what everyone's saying.

00:02:28.000 I'm not gonna try and sugarcoat it because, you know, whatever.

00:02:31.000 But they said it's a red umbrella to symbolize sex work. 0.98

00:02:34.000 So we'll talk about that.

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00:02:58.000 Joining us tonight, we have a couple of guests.

00:03:00.000 We have Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:03:02.000 How you doing, man?

00:03:03.000 I'm great.

00:03:04.000 Introduce yourself, good sir.

00:03:05.000 Yeah, I'm Vivek.

00:03:06.000 I had a career in biotech.

00:03:07.000 I built a biotech company.

00:03:09.000 I was an investor, and then I hung the jersey on that a couple of years ago to start critiquing what I wouldn't call a biological cancer, but a Cultural cancer that threatened to infect both politics and business and ever since then I've been on a mission to hopefully save American capitalism from politics and to save American politics from American capitalism. 0.60

00:03:31.000 So that's kind of the goal.

00:03:32.000 I wrote a couple of books about it and now I'm running another business.

00:03:35.000 Thanks, man.

00:03:35.000 Yeah, Woke Inc.

00:03:37.000 We definitely talked about this back when it came out, or something happened.

00:03:41.000 Maybe not when it came out, but I remember we were talking about it.

00:03:43.000 It came out last year.

00:03:43.000 They're both pretty recent.

00:03:44.000 Yeah, and we were talking about your work and stuff, so I'm glad to have you on.

00:03:47.000 This is going to be fun.

00:03:48.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:03:48.000 Thank you.

00:03:48.000 We also have Lauren Chen.

00:03:50.000 Welcome back.

00:03:50.000 Great to be back.

00:03:51.000 The last time I was supposed to be on the show, I had to cancel it because I had my baby.

00:03:56.000 So, clearly not in danger of delivering any babies right now, so it feels good to Well, you haven't, baby.

00:04:01.000 Congratulations.

00:04:02.000 Thank you.

00:04:03.000 And I guess if people don't know me, my name's Lauren.

00:04:06.000 I'm happy to call myself a TPUSA contributor.

00:04:09.000 So we just had AmericaFest.

00:04:10.000 It was awesome.

00:04:11.000 You can find me on YouTube.

00:04:13.000 Lauren Chen is my political channel.

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00:04:19.000 I don't have books, although the Miami Herald did once refer to me as a social media influencer and a hit piece.

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00:04:43.000 And, you know, we are all about that parallel economy.

00:04:45.000 Awesome.

00:04:45.000 Well, thanks for joining us.

00:04:46.000 It'll be fun.

00:04:47.000 We got Luke, of course.

00:04:47.000 He's here.

00:04:48.000 Hey, guys.

00:04:48.000 Last night was really fun.

00:04:50.000 It was pretty incredible being able to feed off the crowd.

00:04:54.000 And it was interesting seeing the TPUSA crowd also cheer for the larger ideas that I was kind of spreading out there, which was pretty interesting.

00:05:01.000 Ian also fell off stage last night.

00:05:04.000 He's not here.

00:05:04.000 He's recovering.

00:05:06.000 We hope he is going to be doing well.

00:05:09.000 Ian, we're rooting for you.

00:05:12.000 Anyway, today I'm wearing a shirt depicting Bill Gates in his natural habitat, helping and saving humanity from itself and overpopulation.

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00:05:26.000 Because you do, that's why I'm here.

00:05:27.000 Ian, we're rooting for you.

00:05:29.000 Hopefully Ian's okay.

00:05:31.000 I think he's been in a coma since that fall.

00:05:34.000 It was a big fall.

00:05:35.000 It was a big stage.

00:05:37.000 No, Ian's actually completely fine.

00:05:38.000 I was gonna say, there are so many people who are so worried about Ian right now.

00:05:42.000 So he didn't realize the stage was split with like a central platform and then it branches to the left.

00:05:47.000 So when he was on the front of the stage, he waved to everybody and then spun around and walked right into the pit and just flopped like five feet to the ground.

00:05:55.000 And then he jumped up and was like, I'm okay!

00:05:57.000 I'm okay!

00:05:57.000 He's totally fine.

00:05:58.000 He's totally fine.

00:05:59.000 You know, he's just chilling in the other room, I guess.

00:06:01.000 So there's someone in there pushing buttons.

00:06:02.000 I can't tell.

00:06:03.000 It's like a one-way mirror or whatever.

00:06:05.000 Anyway, let's talk about the news.

00:06:06.000 The big story right now, we'll jump right into it, is we have this from the Daily Mail.

00:06:10.000 This is a PSYOP run by the FBI on the American people.

00:06:14.000 Twitter Files author Michael Schellenberger says FBI knew Hunter Laptop was real, but still told Twitter and the U.S.

00:06:22.000 public it was fake.

00:06:23.000 Ultimately, what we ended up seeing from the latest Twitter files is that not only was the FBI paying Twitter money so that they could run censorship operations, but that Yoel Roth, I believe it was Yoel Roth, wrote an email saying basically what happened, it seems, is that someone hacked into Hunter's laptop, downloaded the contents, cloned the machine, and then dropped it off at this computer repair shop in a Russian disinformation campaign or something.

00:06:48.000 I love that narrative because it is the most insane conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

00:06:54.000 And they call us the conspiracy theorists for saying that the FBI was running a PSYOP and manipulating the election, you know, interfering in the election and all that stuff.

00:07:02.000 But now here we are with definitive proof because Elon Musk bought Twitter and released all this stuff.

00:07:06.000 We now know the FBI knew the story was real, lied to Big Tech, lied to us, and I guess definitively interfered in the election.

00:07:15.000 Well, I think it's kind of hard when they call the story disinformation, even from what Yul Roth was saying, is that if it was cloned and then put on a new device and then left somewhere, that would still have meant that the information was real.

00:07:27.000 I heard leftists at the time saying, no, this is completely fake.

00:07:30.000 It's not even...

00:07:31.000 It's a good point.

00:07:31.000 So we had so many different narratives, all of which were leading to, it's not real, don't worry about it.

00:07:36.000 And I'm just wondering, is the FBI or individuals within the FBI, are they ever going to be held accountable?

00:07:41.000 Because at this point, since Trump, we saw that they were essentially acting like this pseudo fourth arm of

00:07:46.000 government, doing whatever they wanted, trying to interfere with

00:07:48.000 American politics.

00:07:49.000 When does the accountability happen?

00:07:51.000 When has accountability happened?

00:07:54.000 It's a good point. A depressing point, but.

00:07:57.000 Yeah, I think we got to cut stop calling it by the way big tech censorship

00:08:01.000 I've been saying this for a long time.

00:08:03.000 It is government tech censorship, which is to say it is just government censorship disguised in the veneer of private sector activity.

00:08:11.000 I wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal when in January, about two years ago, January 2021, And at that time, with far less evidence, to me it was already obvious, right?

00:08:21.000 This was the government doing through the back door what they couldn't get done through the front door under the Constitution.

00:08:27.000 To me, if you see the pieces already put on the chessboard, you've got threats already being issued, you've got inducements already being issued, and this isn't just inducements by the FBI or the administrative class.

00:08:38.000 This is hardwired in the law, right?

00:08:40.000 Not a lot of people know this.

00:08:42.000 You have a section 230 section 2 literally says, okay, if it is constitutionally protected content, you can still take it down and not be liable under state law.

00:08:52.000 And by the way, if you want to actually be an extra cherry on top, we're going to threaten you that we're going to break you up.

00:08:58.000 We're going to, you know, regulate you call, you know, Call for your breakup or whatever it is.

00:09:04.000 And so why is it surprising that the executive branch of the government is just executing on the threats that they made starting two years ago?

00:09:12.000 So we need to stop being surprised by this and just recognize it for what it is.

00:09:15.000 This isn't some sort of collusion.

00:09:16.000 It's just the reality of directed government censorship.

00:09:19.000 The only difference is Vladimir Putin will tell you through the front door that he's actually saying what can and can't be said on the internet.

00:09:24.000 Here we abide by a fiction that says that no, no, no, these are actually just private companies that we're going to have do it instead.

00:09:29.000 But it's the same side of the story on two different sides of the Atlantic.

00:09:31.000 It's an illusion.

00:09:32.000 It's partly a bigger psyop that I think finally is being exposed here because, you know, you've been saying it, I've been saying it since 2008, 2009, saying, hey, you know, the intelligence agencies have a lot of control over the corporate media.

00:09:32.000 It's a lie.

00:09:45.000 It's only a matter of time until they have their influence with social media.

00:09:50.000 And I think throughout the last few years we have seen them act in very coordinated ways.

00:09:53.000 We have seen all the companies on a dime turn and make the same decision at one time.

00:09:58.000 That's not an accident.

00:09:59.000 It didn't happen because they all decided to come together and do what's not good for them, destroy their business, destroy the ability of what made them great, and that's people being able to debate and to talk to each other.

00:10:11.000 They went against their own principles, their own things that were good for them, and then obeyed the government, because as you said, the government was threatening them from the very beginning, and it's only because they were there, calling the shots, why we can't have free speech online.

00:10:26.000 And to be clear, this is not a new phenomenon.

00:10:28.000 I mean, even back when we had print journalism or just televised journalism, you had people like Anderson Cooper have essentially been to Fed camp, right?

00:10:34.000 So essentially, all they did was pivot to traditional media, to digital media.

00:10:38.000 So, I mean, as shocked as, well, we shouldn't be shocked, like you said, we saw the signs, but as surprised as some people are, this goes back even further than a lot of people.

00:10:47.000 Especially when it comes to the church commissions and when we found out that the CIA had officials at the top of branches of all the corporate media outlets and Mr. Vanderbilt Anderson Cooper as some people call him.

00:10:58.000 Yeah, you know also trained to be a CIA agent coincidentally I had a couple conversations with him about that three times.

00:11:06.000 He didn't like me bringing I was there Yeah, like runs up to Anderson Cooper and he's like, what did you ask him?

00:11:11.000 Why did you leave the CIA or something like that?

00:11:13.000 I was like, can you tell us about your training at the CIA?

00:11:15.000 What happened here?

00:11:16.000 And what about that saying, you know, once you're CIA, you're always CIA.

00:11:19.000 Can we discuss the influence of the Intel agencies leaking fake stories to the corporate media that always regurgitates them?

00:11:25.000 And whether it's the WMDs, the banker bailouts, they are in lockstep and barrel when it comes to pushing out the bigger lies of, of course, the government, of the Intel communities.

00:11:35.000 They've always been doing it.

00:11:36.000 And we have always been sold a bag of goods that were lies based off a bigger agenda that they've been pushing.

00:11:41.000 I've heard activists call Facebook Face CIA book.

00:11:45.000 Face CIA book.

00:11:46.000 Fat book is also a good one.

00:11:48.000 And we were talking about this yesterday on the show that I think it was Bannon mentioning that these organizations, these big tech, they were built with government subsidy and assistance and they intended to use them this way.

00:11:59.000 So I'm wondering for you, Vivek, or whatever your guys' thoughts are, do you think the inception of these things, you mentioned that Section 230 has that provision, Section 2 I think you said it was, that allows them to remove constitutionally protected speech.

00:12:11.000 Do you think that these things were built in mind to do an end run around the Constitution?

00:12:15.000 Yeah, so I don't think you need to have the facts of them actually having been in the same room with the same venture capital investment on the cap table of the company for the entire conspiracy to still hold intact, okay?

00:12:28.000 It was at least softly designed that way.

00:12:31.000 Okay, so I actually want to go into the specifics of this law a little bit, because people actually mix up the two parts of Section 230 all the time.

00:12:40.000 There's the part that everybody knows, which is that, okay, these platforms aren't liable for what does and doesn't show up.

00:12:45.000 That's Section 230c1.

00:12:47.000 Section 230c2 is probably one of the most remarkable statutes that most Americans are not aware of, which specifically was a statutory workaround for the Constitution.

00:12:57.000 So never have I seen a statute where you say that there's no liability for taking down such material whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.

00:13:08.000 It was explicitly designed to allow the government, the federal government, to protect private companies to take down content that the federal government otherwise couldn't take down.

00:13:18.000 So I think that in a certain sense, the traps were already laid to say that the federal government wants to make sure it has the latitude to take down content that the First Amendment otherwise would protect.

00:13:29.000 It needed to induce private companies to do it.

00:13:31.000 And there's a great example, you'll actually like this one, you know, relating to an issue that doesn't relate to free speech, where the federal government wanted to do the same thing with the war on drugs.

00:13:39.000 Okay, so they wanted to say, okay, we want to get drugs off the street, we're in a war on drugs, but we can't directly search passengers on railroads or whatever directly.

00:13:48.000 So what did they do?

00:13:49.000 They passed a law that said that any railroad company, private company, is immunized from liability.

00:13:55.000 They can't be sued if the railroad company searches the passengers on board for drugs.

00:14:00.000 We're not doing it.

00:14:01.000 It's just a private company doing it.

00:14:03.000 So guess what?

00:14:04.000 Now, thankfully, we have a Supreme Court in this country, which is the one branch of government that I think we can still at least if we're gonna have to pick one that has its integrity still intact.

00:14:10.000 It's the judicial system said that not so fast.

00:14:13.000 If you're going to use a federal law To do through the back door what the government couldn't do through the front door because of the Fourth Amendment in this case.

00:14:21.000 That's still state action and we're going to treat it as such.

00:14:24.000 And so the railroad companies are bound by the Fourth Amendment.

00:14:24.000 Right.

00:14:26.000 That's effectively what's going on with these technology companies.

00:14:28.000 So whether or not it was, you know, certain of these companies, Palantir and others, were definitely funded by the government at inception.

00:14:34.000 Others may not have been directly funded.

00:14:36.000 But that detail matters less than the truth of what comes out of it is functionally these may as well, may as well have been arms of the government.

00:14:44.000 That's what we're learning.

00:14:45.000 The latest story today is that we're finding out that the FBI was giving Twitter $3.4 million as a thank you for allowing them to, of course, spy and kind of manipulate the whole platform.

00:14:55.000 That's chump change. 0.73

00:14:56.000 That's not a lot of money when we're talking about these big companies.

00:14:58.000 But when you look at the start of a lot of them, especially Facebook with In-Q-Tel, when you look at the grants that were given to Alphabet and Google, when you look at the government research and data, especially when it came to satellite imagery that was given to Google Maps, They were able to have an advantage that no one else in the market was able to have because of their connections to government.

00:15:16.000 And I think they took an oath saying, hey, we're going to be serving the government, we're going to be doing everything the government wants if the government gives us all these tax incentives, all these grants, all this information.

00:15:25.000 And I think that's the deal that they made with the devil to destroy any kind of legitimate competition, making them the current monopolies that they are now, who are kind of undefeatable.

00:15:34.000 You look at Alphabet, you look at Google, who's going to be competing them in the market?

00:15:37.000 We can't compete with them because of the unfair advantage that the government gave them from the beginning.

00:15:43.000 Right, so the question is, what do we do now, right?

00:15:44.000 I mean, I've seen people say, oh, well, in order to break them up, that in and of itself is just more government intervention.

00:15:50.000 So what's the answer going forward?

00:15:52.000 Take away all their taxes, take away all their grants, get all their money back.

00:15:56.000 That would be a start for me, from my point of view.

00:15:58.000 But more essentially, spread awareness.

00:16:00.000 Make people aware, like, hey, your tax dollars paid for this, let's get all that tax money back. 0.76

00:16:05.000 Let's also allow the free market to speak.

00:16:06.000 Let's also try to allow competitors to be out there.

00:16:09.000 Let's also not intervene and regulate the market so much as it is to make it almost impossible for anyone.

00:16:14.000 Because the person that loves regulations the most is usually the head of industries who get to use it in order to destroy their competitors.

00:16:22.000 Right, so I agree with a lot of that, but the thing is we've seen what big tech does to its competitors.

00:16:27.000 So even if we say, all right, you have no more tax breaks, none of these leg-up policies the government has been giving you, what do we do when all these servers decide to kick off a free speech platform, right?

00:16:36.000 Because we see that they're already big enough, they're able to act as a cartel.

00:16:40.000 Yeah, and they do.

00:16:40.000 They act like a cartel.

00:16:41.000 I think there's just state action doctrine, okay?

00:16:43.000 If it's state action in disguise, the Constitution still applies.

00:16:47.000 There's a First Amendment in this country.

00:16:48.000 It's a really pesky thing that says that if you're the government, it's an inconvenience.

00:16:51.000 You can't tell people what you can and can't say.

00:16:53.000 So what's the government doing?

00:16:54.000 They found a workaround.

00:16:55.000 Take the Alex Berenson case or whatever.

00:16:57.000 By the way, I love this example because it is literally what the founding fathers Would roll over in their graves if they actually knew what was going on.

00:17:05.000 The First Amendment is designed to do one thing.

00:17:07.000 It is to allow citizens to criticize the government.

00:17:11.000 So you take a government critic, what the government does is they want to silence government critics.

00:17:15.000 They can't do it directly, so they call any officials from Twitter and say that here, here's this individual by name, Alex Berenson in this case, whatever, doesn't matter who it is.

00:17:24.000 Why aren't you taking him down?

00:17:25.000 Why aren't you censoring him?

00:17:27.000 We know from their private Slack message channels internally at the company that they felt that pressure and they did it.

00:17:31.000 Well, guess what?

00:17:32.000 It's a really simple solution.

00:17:33.000 If you are working hand-in-glove with the government, if you are protected by Section 230C2, which you can make an opt-in statute, if you're responding to threats, then you're bound by the same standards as the federal government.

00:17:44.000 Full stop.

00:17:44.000 These companies ought to be bound by the First Amendment.

00:17:46.000 Full stop.

00:17:46.000 But it's not just that.

00:17:48.000 I just want to go back to the Hunter Biden story just to connect this all together.

00:17:51.000 Let me address this.

00:17:51.000 Put a pin in it.

00:17:53.000 We've seen lawsuits.

00:17:54.000 The judges don't care.

00:17:56.000 So I actually think that... So I don't think all of these cases have been argued nearly as well as they should.

00:18:02.000 Some have been argued in the Ninth Circuit, which is out in California.

00:18:06.000 When you see these cases brought in the Fifth Circuit, okay, which I think the judges in the Appellate Circuit and the Fifth Circuit... I'd like to see Judge Ho in the Fifth Circuit take one of these cases.

00:18:13.000 Clarence Thomas has already sent smoke signals saying that actually this is a viable theory all the way up to and including the Supreme Court actually potentially hearing these cases.

00:18:21.000 So I don't think it's actually been tested in the right way yet.

00:18:24.000 And the facts just keep getting better and better.

00:18:26.000 I mean, the whole reason why these cases fail is what is the nexus of control that the government exercises?

00:18:33.000 Some of the ones that have been brought have been super, you know, on the weaker side, where it's some state that made a request and then the company complied.

00:18:41.000 That wouldn't be the case I would bring, all right?

00:18:42.000 Pick the case where there's White House officials that specifically call in the company, specifically name a specific critic, individual critic, by first and last name, tell them to censor it.

00:18:52.000 Then you have the evidence of the company officials going back and forth saying that they felt that pressure.

00:18:57.000 Now you've got the payments.

00:18:58.000 No better inducement than money to get a private party to do what you want them to do.

00:19:02.000 Then you combine them with the threats, and now it's not just some health department, it's the FBI, the guys who wield the guns.

00:19:07.000 That's a stronger case.

00:19:08.000 And so I think that, you know, we got, a lot of people got overeager before the evidence actually presented itself.

00:19:13.000 I think that picture's already changed.

00:19:14.000 And I want to add to your point, it's not just picking out individuals and censoring them.

00:19:19.000 They got so drunk on power, they have orchestrated a vast censorship operation, false flag with the Hunter Biden laptop story, that literally, the laptop, they knew, they had it in their possessions, December 9th, 2019.

00:19:32.000 When they had it, they knew it implicated Joe Biden.

00:19:35.000 It made him look bad.

00:19:36.000 They knew an election was coming up, so they lied about it.

00:19:39.000 They called it a Russian hack.

00:19:41.000 They orchestrated a vast conspiracy in order to get the media, because they knew Rudy Giuliani was getting that laptop, too.

00:19:47.000 They knew it was coming out.

00:19:48.000 So they orchestrated a PSYOP in order to, of course, make sure that the story was dead on arrival.

00:19:54.000 And then when it came out, it was censored everywhere.

00:19:56.000 And as we know, it also impacted the election very severely, with many people believing that it helped Joe Biden win the presidency, according to many polls out there.

00:20:04.000 That right there is more than just talk about that.

00:20:07.000 And you can't even talk about that.

00:20:08.000 Exactly.

00:20:08.000 And major news organizations, the New York Post, one of the biggest newspapers, one of the longest running newspapers in the history of America, was censored, wasn't allowed a voice, was taken off social media platforms, was taken off public landscapes for even being able to discuss what happened here.

00:20:23.000 That right there is far more of an atrocious criminal act, in my opinion, than just picking out individuals and censoring them.

00:20:30.000 Did you see the news on Carrie Lake today, Vivek?

00:20:33.000 I did not see it, no.

00:20:34.000 So she, her election contest is going to trial.

00:20:38.000 There are two main counts.

00:20:40.000 Two out of the ten.

00:20:41.000 It was chain of custody and I think, do you remember what the other one was?

00:20:41.000 Two out of the ten.

00:20:45.000 Something to do with the counts, but yeah, one was chain of custody being broken and I forgot what the other one was.

00:20:50.000 I forgot the other one, but I bring this up because we were just talking about big tech censorship, the FBI's involvement.

00:20:56.000 Government tech censorship.

00:20:57.000 Government tech censorship, you're right.

00:20:59.000 And one of the counts that Carrie Lake brought forward that was dismissed was First Amendment, because we saw that Democrats in Arizona, I believe it was Democrats, you got what it was.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, illegal tabulator configurations.

00:21:10.000 That's right.

00:21:11.000 So I think what they argued was that individuals in government, I'll put it that way, had made contact with social media to suppress certain individuals and that was a First Amendment violation and thus intentional interference or misconduct in the election.

00:21:24.000 The judge said, no, that count is dismissed.

00:21:26.000 You know, because my view of this is that Yes, we can see that the Hunter Biden laptop story, the FBI's manipulation, did interfere with the election.

00:21:35.000 Absolutely.

00:21:36.000 We're seeing poll after poll now show regular people saying, if we had known about this story, if we knew it was real, we would not have supported this man for president.

00:21:44.000 And it's substantial enough that some people are saying, if this story wasn't suppressed, many people would have voted for Trump instead.

00:21:49.000 We could have seen a different outcome in this election.

00:21:54.000 Well, that's kind of ridiculous, because actually if you look at election law, federal election law, you can't do certain things as a campaign regarding social media advertising, right?

00:22:08.000 Because they see it as a violation.

00:22:10.000 So it doesn't make sense to me that if you're a candidate, you can't spend however much you want on maybe social media ads, but then social media doing whatever it wants to censor different things, well that's totally okay.

00:22:20.000 Either we acknowledge the fact that, yes, social media and these advertising campaigns, they can sway people's votes, and therefore we need to control how much candidates spend into it and do all of these workarounds with super PACs, or we let social media companies do whatever they want because, oh, I mean, we can't really decide how much posts might interfere with voting, right?

00:22:39.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:22:40.000 Right.

00:22:41.000 I think the issue is we look at polls and we say X percent of people may have voted another direction, but how do you actually quantify the impact of these PSYOPs, of this government tech manipulation?

00:22:51.000 Yeah, so look, I think that there's, you know, three layers of legal issues.

00:22:55.000 You actually raised a pretty interesting one.

00:22:56.000 One of the constitutional issues.

00:22:57.000 OK, if you're going to work around using the First Amendment, Guess what?

00:23:00.000 The same instruments that you use, including companies, ought to be banned by the First Amendment.

00:23:03.000 Talked about that already.

00:23:04.000 Second, I think there's a strong campaign finance case here.

00:23:07.000 There is no greater financial contribution that Twitter could have made to the Biden campaign than to have censored the most damning piece of information on the eve of the election.

00:23:17.000 That is a constructive campaign contribution.

00:23:19.000 OK, so that's that's another legal layer of federal laws.

00:23:22.000 Then there's the state laws of just old school, and people forget this one, consumer fraud, all right?

00:23:27.000 You know what the definition of consumer fraud is?

00:23:29.000 Telling consumers you are doing one thing, such as not censoring speech or shadowbanning or whatever, when in fact you are doing the exact opposite thing.

00:23:37.000 SBA, FFTX, all that in the news, that's outside the political context, right?

00:23:40.000 So let's talk about that.

00:23:41.000 Telling customers that you're not commingling funds, when in fact you are commingling funds.

00:23:45.000 That is definitional consumer fraud.

00:23:47.000 That's not that different than what was happening on Twitter.

00:23:49.000 Telling consumers actively, through public statements and otherwise, we're not engaged in viewpoint-based censorship, we're not engaged in shadow banning.

00:23:56.000 When, in fact, you were engaged in viewpoint-based censorship and shadow banning, all of which is against the backdrop of, forget the legal issues, is this the kind of society we want to be living in?

00:24:05.000 Irrespective of whether or not it was legal, that there are centralized forces, both in government and in the deep corporate apparatus of the private sector, that are working hand-in-hand to suppress the will of the everyday citizen.

00:24:14.000 The question you asked was, where's accountability, though?

00:24:17.000 And I have a very clear view on this.

00:24:21.000 These systems of accountability include the very same little three-letter acronym as soup that's responsible and infested in the first place.

00:24:29.000 It actually starts with Who sits in the oval office the next cycle around and by the way equivalent for state governors across this country.

00:24:36.000 We need a government where the people who report to the chief executive can be fired by that chief executive.

00:24:43.000 This is why I'm shocked.

00:24:44.000 This is not at the top of a GOP agenda reforming these civil service protection statutes that say if you work for somebody you are eligible to be fired by that person.

00:24:54.000 I've actually, so one of my big, whatever, successful chapters of my biotech journey was actually by doing business in Japan.

00:24:59.000 We did a $3 billion deal at the end of 2019.

00:25:02.000 I spent countless days that year in Japan.

00:25:05.000 And the funny thing in Japan, it's true in Japanese pharma, it's true in almost Japanese corporate, Japanese corporate, is that even if you're the CEO of the company, you can't actually fire the guy who's the head of your research division or the head of your commercial division.

00:25:19.000 Turns out that that means if the CEO says this is the direction that the company's going, if the guy who's running research doesn't agree with you, he's going to keep doing whatever project he was working on before anyway.

00:25:30.000 Because if you can't be fired, it means you don't really work for the person who you elected, who was put in that position.

00:25:37.000 So that's in the corporate context.

00:25:38.000 It's not any different in the governmental context.

00:25:41.000 We need to make sure that the people who we elect to run the government are the people who run the government.

00:25:50.000 And I personally think this is one of my big disappointments in Donald Trump is that you have a guy who will complain, and identify the problem in a lot of ways, but will complain about Anthony Fauci, will complain about James Comey.

00:26:01.000 Doesn't fire them.

00:26:02.000 When the thing you got to do is very simple.

00:26:04.000 You fire them, you fire the legions of people who work for them, you fire the managerial industrial complex underneath and around them.

00:26:11.000 That is accountability, because otherwise any legal battle isn't going to sort this out.

00:26:14.000 That is what draining the swamp looks like, and that's what it's going to take.

00:26:17.000 He should have done that, but I don't mean this to be a defense for him, because he should have done it regardless, but anytime he would make these staff changes.

00:26:25.000 The media would of course paint it as him trying to ensure that individuals pledged loyalty to Trump, that he was some kind of fascist dictator, when really I don't think it's too much to ask that if you work for a president you should be on board with the president's agenda.

00:26:38.000 But that was absolutely how the left was spinning things anytime Trump did make staff changes.

00:26:42.000 But then he just turned the media into a fourth branch of government that he's reporting to.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:26:46.000 He should have done it anyway.

00:26:47.000 But Laura, they were saying that anyway.

00:26:48.000 Regardless what he did, they were saying he was a fascist anyway, so there was no reason for him to capitulate.

00:26:54.000 I think he loved the media too much and tried to appease the media way too much because a lot of these policy shifts, especially with the DHS, happened under his watch.

00:27:02.000 It was also him that approved gain-of-function work in Wuhan, China before this whole entire debacle a few years ago.

00:27:08.000 It was his administration that pushed a lot of this stuff that now we're dealing with that was turned against him.

00:27:14.000 As he had the users, he had people on his staff saying, hey, they're going to censor you.

00:27:18.000 Hey, they're censoring all of your top supporters, all the people who got you elected, all the people who worked so hard on the internet spreading memes, talking about you.

00:27:26.000 They're all slowly being eviscerated and that circle is coming closer and closer to you.

00:27:30.000 He ignored it.

00:27:31.000 Jared Kushner told him to shut up and to just play ball.

00:27:34.000 He did.

00:27:34.000 And then we're here.

00:27:36.000 He did do the executive order in regard to how Section 230 could be enforced, essentially saying that a platform would have to pick between being a platform and a publisher.

00:27:46.000 I thought it was a very good executive order.

00:27:48.000 It wasn't really changing the need of it.

00:27:50.000 But that's policy, and we can go into the need of policy.

00:27:52.000 But no one ended up challenging it in court, so it was useless.

00:27:54.000 But I'm just talking about running an organization.

00:27:58.000 You run a company, I run a company, people have run countries, whatever it is.

00:28:02.000 There's a simple principle.

00:28:04.000 If you run the organization, you decide who works there and who doesn't work there, period.

00:28:09.000 And a good litmus test of whether our leader is doing it.

00:28:11.000 I don't care if it's the CEO of a big company.

00:28:13.000 I don't care if it's the chief executive of a country.

00:28:16.000 If you are complaining to the media, About the people who work for you, that means that you have already failed.

00:28:23.000 Because if you had to, as the leader of the free world, complain to third parties who write about you, that means you already didn't do your job because the people shouldn't have been there in the first place.

00:28:32.000 I do think the civil service protections need to be repealed.

00:28:35.000 I do think that actually, you know what, if you're president of the United States, you can't work for the federal government for more than eight years.

00:28:40.000 I'm not sure that the people who report to the president of the United States should be able to work for the federal government for eight years.

00:28:44.000 Actually, I'm sure they shouldn't.

00:28:46.000 But even still, I don't think you need to wait for Congress.

00:28:48.000 I think Article 2 of the Constitution says that those civil service protections are basically unconstitutional anyway.

00:28:53.000 If you run the federal government, then doggone it, run the federal government.

00:28:57.000 And whoever sits in that office next that is not Joe Biden, whoever that might be, I don't care if it's a Democrat, Democrat, Republican.

00:29:05.000 Democrats should be every bit as bone-chilled by what happened as Republicans.

00:29:10.000 The same Democrats are upset with what James Comey did with what they see is tilting the scales back in 2016.

00:29:15.000 This is not a Republican or Democrat issue.

00:29:17.000 It is the fact that whoever we elect, it might not even be the guy I want.

00:29:20.000 I don't care.

00:29:21.000 I'd still rather the guy I didn't vote for be the guy who runs the government rather than actually have somebody else who runs the government who temporarily does what I want them to do when it was actually somebody who nobody elected.

00:29:32.000 That is what accountability looks like and I'm surprised not enough Republicans right now are even talking about that as a solution.

00:29:37.000 It's probably going to be Biden and Fetterman with the way things are going.

00:29:40.000 And let's be honest here.

00:29:42.000 They fortified the elections.

00:29:45.000 I don't see Republicans winning, especially when it comes to ballot harvesting, especially when it comes to all the things that they have kind of enshrined themselves with.

00:29:52.000 And I think the main reason Democrats aren't doing anything is because they're winning.

00:29:56.000 The intelligence agencies are using them right now and they're, of course, benefiting greatly.

00:30:01.000 They're getting all the seats in Congress, in the Senate.

00:30:04.000 They're getting the presidency and most likely will still get the next presidency and probably control politics for the next few decades unless something drastically changes, which I don't see it drastically changing.

00:30:13.000 Well, it's interesting if you look at all the, quote, anti-establishment leftists who traditionally would have been against operations covered by the FBI against the American people, you would think that a sign up like this would upset them.

00:30:24.000 But what we see is because the outcome happens to be one that they favor and that it's censoring their opposition.

00:30:29.000 Because the old song and dance used to be, oh, it's a private company, they can do what they want.

00:30:29.000 They're silent, right?

00:30:33.000 Now that it's been revealed, it's actually not just a private company, there's state involvement.

00:30:38.000 Now they're saying, oh, well, you shouldn't have the right to do that spread quote-unquote misinformation or hate, whatever they want to call it, in the first place.

00:30:44.000 So, I mean, what we see is that people say that, you know, leftists have double standards.

00:30:48.000 It's actually one very consistent standard.

00:30:50.000 If it helps me, it's good.

00:30:51.000 And so that's why we see so many people who, again, like actual progressives who should be anti-FBI, running cover for the swamp.

00:31:01.000 I don't mean to get too, like, you know, abstract here, but here's a pattern I see in the moment we live in, in general, okay?

00:31:08.000 People are addicted to the drug you will give them.

00:31:11.000 Here the drug is that you give the leftist here, as you call it, is the outcome you want.

00:31:16.000 So we will violate whatever procedural norm we clearly held near and dear to our heart if we at least get to the place we want to in the short run.

00:31:23.000 By the way, that's the same human intuition that led these social media companies to get as powerful as they did.

00:31:27.000 You give something away for free.

00:31:29.000 That's the other thing.

00:31:30.000 People will flock to it.

00:31:31.000 People forget if you get something for free that you're the product.

00:31:34.000 Yes, you are not the consumer, you are the product.

00:31:37.000 But we have this cultural moment we live in that as long as you get that, it's like a little hamster on the wheel, as long as you get that little jolt, that serotonin surge, that experience of satisfaction, you are willing to trade off the thing that in your deeper soul mattered to you over the long run.

00:31:52.000 Be it your data, be it your privacy, in the case of index funds, I mean this is where I spend my day job, your right to express yourself as a shareholder in corporate America, Give an index fund away for free, they'll say, fine, I'll hand over my vote.

00:32:03.000 The idea that actually I care about autonomy and individual procedural justice, I'll give that away if you actually put my guy in office.

00:32:10.000 We live in this deeper cultural moment where the everyday citizen is so effete, so weak-willed, that we will trade off the thing that we know we care deeply about for some short-term outcome.

00:32:22.000 And that's what the managerial class is exploiting. 1.00

00:32:25.000 I don't even see this as a left and right issue.

00:32:28.000 It is a battle between the managerial class, the bureaucrats who staff the middle layers of, for our universities, to our government, to most large companies in the private sector.

00:32:40.000 The managerial class is able to give the masses what they want, like feeding cocaine to a drug addict.

00:32:46.000 But because that drug addict is willing to accept it, the managerial class is able to wield its power.

00:32:52.000 And I just think that's the defining.

00:32:53.000 To me, it's less about left and right.

00:32:55.000 It's more about this managerial technocracy and bureaucracy versus the everyday citizen, because the everyday citizen's inner level of fortitude was so lacking that they were able to be bribed into it in one sphere of our lives from another.

00:33:10.000 That's what I see happening.

00:33:11.000 You talked about how, you know, Democrat and Republican should both be concerned about this.

00:33:15.000 Excuse me.

00:33:16.000 But I think what I see with Democrats and Republicans is all they want to do is the bare minimum to maintain power, to stay in office, to have a job.

00:33:24.000 They don't actually want to do anything that could harm them.

00:33:26.000 So what we see with Republicans is throw the bare minimum out there for the red meat to the base. 0.95

00:33:32.000 Stay in office, say what you gotta say.

00:33:34.000 The Democrats, of course, have a more fervent base with many of these younger leftists, so they're forced to actually try and give them a little bit more, even though they don't want to.

00:33:41.000 I think if Democrats or Republicans had their way, they'd sit back and never say another word and just keep getting their paychecks.

00:33:47.000 So, so long as you have on the left this, uh, I don't know, zeal and energy, then you're going to keep

00:33:54.000 seeing Democrats more in line with this, or as Luke put it, the FBI is using the Democrats, they're

00:33:58.000 winning, they're getting power, they're in line with it. And then you have some Republicans

00:34:01.000 who are speaking up, but it's only some. I guess my point on all that is, sure, it should be a

00:34:05.000 problem for Democrats and Republicans, but I don't think they're actually there in the fight or

00:34:09.000 concerned about anything.

00:34:11.000 I mean, maybe there's like 10 members of Congress who actually care?

00:34:14.000 See, I've got a slightly different theory of the case.

00:34:16.000 I agree with everything you said.

00:34:17.000 There was, in the Twitter files leak, I think there actually was maybe one Democrat representative Yeah, that expressed concern about it.

00:34:24.000 And I was actually kind of impressed about how many world leaders, including the likes of Angela Merkel, I think, expressed concerns for the freedom of speech.

00:34:31.000 Of course, none of them said anything publicly, because we can't seem to be siding publicly with Donald Trump in any way, even if it's just defending freedom of speech.

00:34:38.000 But I was, I don't want to say pleasantly surprised, but it was like, oh, okay.

00:34:43.000 There's that.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, I mean, that's part of the reason why I don't, I mean, even Bernie Sanders has been actually, give this guy credit, about whatever, a year, year and a half ago, was the first person on the left to say that he did not, and nobody dislikes Donald Trump more than Bernie Sanders based on what he said, but that he doesn't want a fourth branch of government in Silicon Valley deciding who does and doesn't get to speak to the American public.

00:35:06.000 I think what you said is descriptively true, but I would, there's a lot of ways you could, a lot of lenses you could bring to describe the same phenomenon.

00:35:13.000 I bring a different lens, which is that it's not even the left wing and the right wing lens.

00:35:18.000 I think what the left does better today is that they feed That generational hunger for a cause.

00:35:26.000 Like I told you, alright?

00:35:26.000 We have this vulnerability in an entire generation of Americans to latch on to what someone sells us.

00:35:33.000 That's the cocaine for the drug addict. 0.92

00:35:34.000 Well, one form of cocaine for the drug addict is religion for a drug addict who actually lacks religion in the first place.

00:35:41.000 I mean, the things that used to fill the void of human purpose, right?

00:35:45.000 You could debate what it is, right?

00:35:46.000 Patriotism, faith, hard work, family, pick your favorite, fill in the blank.

00:35:50.000 Whatever they are, they've disappeared in modern life.

00:35:53.000 And I think what the left has done effectively is at least to feed that vacuum with picturism, you know, wokeism, climatism, covidism, whatever the ism is, they've come up with modern secular religions that fill that void.

00:36:07.000 And I think that the right, where the right is actually failing, is what you called the fervents.

00:36:11.000 I think that was the word you used.

00:36:13.000 Well, the right could tap into that fervence if we actually had an affirmative alternative that can fill that void of purpose and meaning.

00:36:20.000 And I think instead we're, myself included, are just taking, you know, playing a game of whack-a-mole, taking a jackhammer to one form of poison at a time, instead of figuring out what is the alternativism?

00:36:32.000 Maybe it's Americanism.

00:36:33.000 I think it's a pretty good alternative.

00:36:34.000 Well, let me pull up this story because you mentioned Americanism and it's the perfect time.

00:36:39.000 We have this from Fox News.

00:36:40.000 Stanford releases guide to eliminate harmful language, cautions against calling U.S.

00:36:46.000 citizens American.

00:36:48.000 Stanford's index says its goal is to eliminate many forms of harmful language.

00:36:53.000 So you said maybe the fervents or the zeal that the right could tap into is Americanism.

00:36:57.000 There's America first. 0.87

00:36:58.000 But they're preempting you.

00:37:00.000 They're already coming out and saying it's harmful language to do so.

00:37:03.000 Which is a good sign that this is actually the direction we need to be going.

00:37:05.000 See, the left is smart in this way because the things that they've replaced religion with, they are actually tools in which they gain more power.

00:37:12.000 Whether that's feminism, radical leftism, wokeism, you name it. 0.98

00:37:15.000 These are actually tools that not only replace religion.

00:37:17.000 Covidism, climatism, all of these.

00:37:18.000 Exactly.

00:37:19.000 They simultaneously further state control.

00:37:21.000 It's actually the opposite with the right.

00:37:22.000 What are we trying to get people passionate about?

00:37:25.000 Small government, religion, families being less It's funny, we're actually shooting ourselves in the foot by trying to breed this, I guess, fervence in dependency and otherwise living happily lives that don't require us to become servants of the state.

00:37:41.000 The left is smart in that way.

00:37:43.000 They understand that if you want people to essentially need you, you need to not only make it their politics but also their personal identity.

00:37:51.000 And religion as well.

00:37:54.000 With the absence of religion, I think a lot of people replaced the Christian church or Islam with specifically the state. 0.79

00:38:02.000 And they worship Fauci.

00:38:03.000 They have candles of him.

00:38:04.000 They have altars of him.

00:38:06.000 So I think at the end of the day, the Republicans need to be called out.

00:38:10.000 because if they're good at anything, it's capitulating and surrendering.

00:38:14.000 Kevin McCarthy right now, I don't see reigning in the FBI.

00:38:17.000 He has an opportunity to do so.

00:38:18.000 He's not.

00:38:19.000 But Trump is still endorsing him.

00:38:21.000 Kevin McCarthy called for Donald Trump to resign as president of the United States.

00:38:24.000 Why are you endorsing him and telling your local Congress members not to fight his appointment?

00:38:30.000 This is absolutely crazy.

00:38:31.000 I mean, eventually the disruptor becomes the institutionalist.

00:38:34.000 That's not true in just politics.

00:38:35.000 It's true in every sphere of life.

00:38:36.000 McConnell said that the number one priority for Republicans is actually to ensure that Ukraine gets those missiles and is able to defeat Russia.

00:38:44.000 This says Zelensky is coming to the United States Capitol to address the United States, yes, as there's going to be a big bill negotiating $46 billion that's going to be additionally possibly sent to Ukraine to prolong this larger proxy war, which is bringing us closer to the brink of nuclear holocaust.

00:39:00.000 You mentioned earlier in the show, Luke, about how they're taking your tax money.

00:39:03.000 And I was going to say something then, but I'll say it now, too, about all the money they're sending to Ukraine.

00:39:07.000 It's modern monetary policy.

00:39:08.000 They're not really taking your tax money.

00:39:10.000 They're just mass printing your money and extracting through inflation from your savings.

00:39:14.000 So whether it's paid or not, they're finding a way to gut the American middle class so they can fund their wars, they can do whatever they want. 0.54

00:39:22.000 There's no oversight in that.

00:39:23.000 Well, it's a transfer of wealth from everybody else to the super-rich.

00:39:27.000 It's socialism for the super-rich that we're seeing right now, with specifically the military-industrial complex getting their way.

00:39:32.000 We're running out of missiles.

00:39:33.000 There's other countries that are running out of bullets, especially Germany.

00:39:36.000 There was a news report saying Germany has given out so much bullets, they're running out of ammunition.

00:39:40.000 Canada is one of those countries that's not critically low in arms.

00:39:42.000 Exactly.

00:39:42.000 Do you want to go in this direction, though?

00:39:44.000 You want to get a funny fact here?

00:39:45.000 Okay, so which is the country Which is the major developed country that lobbied against the EU ban on Russian oil imports.

00:39:55.000 Anyone know the answer to this?

00:39:56.000 It's the United States.

00:39:59.000 The Biden White House was the major nation that was begging the EU as we now head into the end of the year.

00:40:05.000 The Russian, the EU ban on Russian oil imports goes into effect now.

00:40:10.000 Why is that?

00:40:11.000 It's actually, there's a long reason why.

00:40:12.000 We've gone to war in our own fossil fuels industry that actually worries about the consequences for global, you know, let's just say oil and gas markets.

00:40:19.000 If that EU ban actually goes in, especially when Chinese coronavirus related restrictions are being lifted, there's a supply demand shock.

00:40:25.000 But I want to point out the irony of this.

00:40:28.000 We are with one hand sending 40 to 45 billion dollars or more to Ukraine to fight against Vladimir Putin, while with the other hand are the leading nation that calls for Overriding the EU ban on Russian oil imports, which in turn finances Putin's war machine to actually invade Ukraine.

00:40:49.000 So that's why the whole thing is actually even a farce.

00:40:51.000 The idea of getting into, should we or should we not support Ukraine?

00:40:54.000 Okay, I think we're over allocated to Ukraine.

00:40:56.000 We need to focus our military's energy on the one geopolitical threat that matters to the United States, which is China. 0.56

00:41:01.000 But that's a policy point.

00:41:02.000 Here's, even if you were committed to the pro-Ukraine cause at all cost, Even the effectuation of that is itself frustrated by the fact that if you wanted to do it, you would be starving Putin's army, yet Biden is the one who's actually arguing for allowing Putin to finance his war machine by selling oil and gas to Europe, which is actually the laughable farce of the whole thing.

00:41:25.000 And I believe it was also fertilizer as well, I think.

00:41:28.000 Someone could in fact check me as well, that they were also buying a bunch of fertilizer from them and financing them that way.

00:41:33.000 Why are we doing it?

00:41:34.000 Why are we playing both sides on the issue?

00:41:37.000 So it's because it's a form of self-loathing, actually.

00:41:41.000 I don't mean this just in a culturally superficial sense.

00:41:43.000 I mean it in a deep-seated sense.

00:41:45.000 We live in a moment of Western and particularly American self-loathing.

00:41:50.000 And since I've been up the oil and gas example, I could give you six fears of life where this is true, but let's talk about the oil and gas example since I just brought it up, all right?

00:41:57.000 Why is it that, now we're talking about other religions, now let's talk about climatism.

00:42:01.000 Why is it that the members of the Church of Climate, the climate activists, are So averse to the United States producing oil and gas, but are perfectly fine with global markets that allow the likes of PetroChina and also many Russian oil and gas producers to pick up the slack.

00:42:20.000 Ironically, oil and gas producers over there who have actually methane leakage that is far worse than in the Permian Basin of Texas, and by the way, even if you subscribe to the climate religion, methane is 80 times worse for global atmosphere and global warming than is every unit of carbon dioxide.

00:42:32.000 Why are they okay with that?

00:42:33.000 The answer to that question is the same as the answer to the question of why those are the exact same people who are also opposed to the development of nuclear energy in the United States, which would actually be the single most efficient form of carbon-free energy production known to mankind.

00:42:47.000 What's going on?

00:42:48.000 The problem isn't that, let's say, nuclear energy wouldn't be good enough at solving the alleged climate crisis.

00:42:56.000 It is that it would be too good at solving the alleged climate crisis, which in turn is really just a vehicle for effectuating the agenda of global equity.

00:43:06.000 So you want to know the answer to the question why, Tim?

00:43:08.000 It is because this is a moment of global redistribution back from the West to the other side of the world, including Russia and China. 0.81

00:43:16.000 and everything in our self-loathing is flogging ourselves for the sins,

00:43:21.000 the perceived sins of the last century, to say that we're going to give the 45 billion to Ukraine.

00:43:25.000 But we also want to make sure that actually we shift oil production to places like Russia

00:43:29.000 and we don't ban the Russian, EU ban on Russian oil imports, because it's really just a form of self-loathing at its

00:43:35.000 core.

00:43:35.000 That's what we're seeing on display.

00:43:36.000 And just really quick, that's because war is a racket, and throughout history,

00:43:39.000 there have been powerful people supporting both sides.

00:43:42.000 That's been well documented.

00:43:43.000 But with the United States supporting Ukraine right now and giving them billions and billions and billions of dollars, there's this misnomer that it's, oh, Ukraine's just doing whatever Ukraine wants.

00:43:51.000 It's Ukrainian policy.

00:43:53.000 But we not only incentivize the continuation of this proxy war, which is extremely dangerous, But also, at the same time, we have to remember, when Zelensky actually reached a peace deal with Putin, they had a date where they were supposed to come together, sit down, meet, and negotiate, and sign a peace deal.

00:44:07.000 We had Western powers come to Ukraine.

00:44:10.000 Specifically, the UK Prime Minister came there and said, no, you're not signing this peace deal.

00:44:15.000 And Ukraine has been the one backing away from peace, continuing this war, endangering everyone, which is absolutely insane, as this war is also hurting the poorest people in the world.

00:44:25.000 Not just the people of Ukraine, but this has global economic impacts that's going to wreck our whole entire financial system in ways that we have never seen before. 0.71

00:44:33.000 And I think it's right to say that there, for a lot of the activist class, there is absolutely self-loathing involved, especially when it comes to the climate change agenda.

00:44:40.000 But when it comes to Ukraine specifically, and yes, even climate change, I also don't want to underestimate how many people are actually getting rich off of this, how many people are getting rich off of the subsidies to green energy, that no, you're right, it's not as efficient as nuclear.

00:44:52.000 Places like France, like we already know that.

00:44:54.000 If we were to build new nuclear plants in the US, which I don't think has been done since the 70s, they would be even safer than the ones that exist now, but we haven't been able to do it.

00:45:01.000 Because of fear-mongering.

00:45:03.000 It's bad for America.

00:45:03.000 Same with Ukraine.

00:45:04.000 It is very good, very lucrative for the military-industrial complex.

00:45:08.000 Zelensky actually spoke at one of these conferences for, I guess, big war.

00:45:13.000 They're not even trying to hide it at this point.

00:45:15.000 It's so blatant the exchange is happening.

00:45:17.000 You mentioned with climate change and it reminded me of this viral video that people keep sharing where it's this guy saying, if all of this stuff was true in every prospectus for a new construction, it would say, you know, the condos in Miami Beach In 30 to 40 years, your investment will be zero as the water rises and makes this area uninhabitable.

00:45:37.000 But not a single bank, not a single person has ever brought that up.

00:45:41.000 So why are they still investing in, why are they still buying 30 to 40 year, you know, properties or loans if the water is going to rise and wipe out this whole area?

00:45:48.000 No, they're living in the beachfront property so that other people can't do it and, you know, so they're safe and they are willing to take the bullet for all of us by living in the beach.

00:45:57.000 Bearing that cross.

00:45:58.000 Bill Gates, brave man.

00:45:58.000 Exactly.

00:45:58.000 The beach cross.

00:46:00.000 Lots of beachfront property as well.

00:46:02.000 Barack Obama, lots of beachfront property.

00:46:04.000 Very brave guys.

00:46:06.000 We want to thank these guys for their sacrifice.

00:46:08.000 It really means a lot to us.

00:46:09.000 Thank you.

00:46:09.000 It's the meme of, you know, from the Simpsons of the person jumping in front of the bullet for Apu or whatever, you know.

00:46:14.000 I love that.

00:46:17.000 Funny, Bill Gates' story.

00:46:18.000 He was my college commencement speaker.

00:46:21.000 And you know what I was looking at?

00:46:22.000 At that time he was the world's richest man.

00:46:24.000 I didn't come from a lot of money.

00:46:26.000 I was unapologetically ready to make some after I got out of college, moving to New York, working at a hedge fund.

00:46:31.000 I was like, all right, let's figure out how one creates the level of wealth that Bill Gates has.

00:46:36.000 The only thing he would talk about is how to... The whole speech.

00:46:40.000 It was one of the more disappointing speeches I heard in my life.

00:46:42.000 Remember it.

00:46:42.000 I met him on stage afterwards.

00:46:46.000 It was all about how to give back what one has gained.

00:46:49.000 And ever since that moment, I was like, look, the expression of even giving back doesn't make sense to me because it assumes that one took in the first place.

00:47:01.000 Actually, I think he's done a lot of taking ever since he started the Giving Back Project, but making the PC was not actually the one thing that he took in the first place.

00:47:09.000 That was actually the one thing that he created.

00:47:11.000 And I think it was right around then.

00:47:12.000 I mean, this was as I graduated from college in 2007.

00:47:15.000 Then came the 2008 financial crisis right after I graduated.

00:47:19.000 And that was when this period of apologism began.

00:47:23.000 And that's why I think Americanism, for a different reason too, is part of the solution.

00:47:28.000 Once we stop having to apologize for the successes of the modern West, for the successes of modern America, we can have a model that the rest of the world can follow to lift themselves up.

00:47:40.000 I could almost pick 99% of the things that the four of us at this table would find disappointing about the direction of modern American culture and pin it to this culture of apologism for our own success.

00:47:53.000 And I think that that's why the answer can't be us going one at a time, playing whack-a-mole, trying to send that mole back into its rabbit hole, but to instead fill that void with a sense of revived pride.

00:48:09.000 An unapologetic pursuit of excellence, and that is what it means to be American.

00:48:13.000 I am not going to apologize for it through some climate religion that causes me to adopt an emissions cap, through some racial equity system that causes me to use a racial quota system to hand out goods according to some metric other than merit.

00:48:26.000 No, I'm going to do this in the same way that got us 250 years into this experiment.

00:48:31.000 I am not going to apologize for it.

00:48:33.000 If we're going to make another 250 years from now, that's how we're going to do it.

00:48:36.000 And I think we need to get, I wouldn't use the word religious, but I think we need to get fanatical behind the idea that set the whole experiment into motion rather than hanging on, and you might disagree with me here, but rather than hanging on the thin siren song of proceduralism.

00:48:54.000 Liberals abandoned liberalism because they were smart.

00:48:57.000 There's something about the idea of just, hey, it's just about free speech, free markets, hey, individual autonomy.

00:49:03.000 Those are just procedural norms that don't satisfy the more base human hunger in a way that wokeism or climatism or covidism does.

00:49:13.000 And I think that I think that what the right needs to wake up to in this country is that just falling back on the slogans of liberalism, proceduralism is not going to be enough.

00:49:23.000 We need our own affirmative values.

00:49:26.000 I think excellence, the unapologetic pursuit of excellence, what I was just talking about probably belongs on that list.

00:49:30.000 Maybe somebody else says it's something else, but we need we need an affirmative content that people can actually get fanatical about, but it's actually content that's actually far more rich than woke is on the other side.

00:49:42.000 Let me jump to this story.

00:49:43.000 We'll get to this next subject here, because talking about Americanism, I think, is a good... Americanism is a good subject to segue into this story, for us to segue into this story.

00:49:54.000 We have this from TimCats.com.

00:49:55.000 EU approves carbon tax for individuals.

00:49:58.000 Some officials warn the new CO2 taxes could be politically suicidal and spark widespread protests.

00:50:05.000 Under the EU Emissions Trading System 2, ETS2, the new polluter-pays taxes will be imposed on buildings and for transportation fuels as part of a plan to reduce Europe's greenhouse gases by 55% compared to 1990 levels by the year 2030.

00:50:20.000 The carbon tax will impact gas, diesel, heating fuels like natural gas, making it more expensive for Europeans to travel and heat their homes.

00:50:27.000 Now we saw when France tried raising that petrol tax and then they got the Yellow Jackets protest for like two years. 1.00

00:50:33.000 I don't think this will go over well, but I will just stress to everyone who is American, if you do not stand up for yourself and for what you believe in, this is coming here next.

00:50:42.000 There's actual conversations in the European Union right now warning about a yellow vest populist uprising because of how they're just bleeding the average person there. 0.76

00:50:50.000 And I literally wrote carbon tax because I was going to say that next without even knowing that you were pulling up the story because it was already in my mind.

00:50:56.000 Another thing I wanted to bring up really quickly, Bill Gates also is an individual who promised to give the majority of his wealth away to charity.

00:51:02.000 He has since then doubled his money.

00:51:04.000 It's not a coincidence, because he's launching a lot of scams.

00:51:07.000 And when you look at the larger kind of philanthropy scene, when you look at a lot of these people who say that they give the most, usually those are some of the most ruthless, psychopathic business people that you could ever imagine, that are milking the system, abusing the system, and this larger climate change Ponzi scheme is just a way to try to bleed out the people, take away more money from them, and to control them as a proxy social credit score system.

00:51:33.000 There's a reason airlines started calculating your carbon credit score.

00:51:36.000 How much carbon are you using here?

00:51:38.000 There's a reason private businesses and banks started to calculate this on their own initiatives.

00:51:42.000 It wasn't their own initiatives.

00:51:43.000 It was centrally controlled and centrally pushed out there.

00:51:46.000 And this is the slow creeping Chinese totalitarian society that they're going to be bringing in everywhere. 1.00

00:51:53.000 Europe is just the beginning.

00:51:54.000 They're going to be bringing it here to the United States eventually.

00:51:57.000 Canada is right lock and step with Europe.

00:51:59.000 In Canada, they've actually floated, it's not being implemented or anything like that, but actually capping the number of miles that an individual may be able to travel.

00:52:07.000 So essentially, if you drive for work and you want to go on vacation for summer holidays, well, guess what?

00:52:12.000 You can't buy that plane ticket.

00:52:13.000 You've already exceeded your mile.

00:52:14.000 your mile quota.

00:52:15.000 And they've even floated things like, oh, you could have cap and trade for individual

00:52:18.000 miles and, oh, you have an electric vehicle.

00:52:20.000 Well, now we can monitor who is going where and driving what.

00:52:23.000 So they might actually be able to just press a button and stop your engine to ground you

00:52:28.000 so that you don't go anywhere.

00:52:30.000 This is terrifying and it's being done in the name of compassion.

00:52:33.000 And I think, you know what, I'm going to say this.

00:52:36.000 If these policies take hold anywhere, it's not going to be Europe.

00:52:39.000 It will be Canada. 0.90

00:52:40.000 Let me ask you, do you think maybe 10, 20 years you're driving your Tesla and then you

00:52:45.000 get a carbon energy consumption warning and it slows you down and says return home, you've

00:52:49.000 consumed too much energy?

00:52:50.000 Yeah, and it's like you're in an arcade.

00:52:53.000 If not, we're going to have a central bank digital currency that is deducted from your account that is linked to your otherwise carbon emission footprint unless you actually comply.

00:53:01.000 That's where we're headed.

00:53:02.000 There are people trying to get that done for the Canadian trucker protests already.

00:53:06.000 Electric vehicles, they were trying to actually ground them, make them unable to move.

00:53:11.000 The state of California literally told people, stop charging your electric vehicles.

00:53:15.000 Why?

00:53:15.000 Because their power grid was going down.

00:53:16.000 Why?

00:53:17.000 Because they're going into this green energy revolution, which is again, a larger carbon tax, a larger social credit.

00:53:22.000 I'm glad you mentioned California because here's how the global cascade works on any of these climatists or even beyond climate policies.

00:53:31.000 Europe does something boneheaded because they have their own insecurity complexes apologizing for their own colonialist past or whatever is going on in Europe.

00:53:39.000 California then copies that European policy.

00:53:41.000 California then becomes competitively disadvantaged relative to other states.

00:53:45.000 But California, which has the largest pension fund system in the country, CalPERS, uses its money to get BlackRock and State Street and Vanguard to then implement that through the private sector for the rest of the country.

00:53:55.000 So that is the same cascade.

00:53:57.000 We see that pattern time and again, which is why every American citizen should absolutely pay attention to what is happening in Western Europe, because it's going to find its way into the United States by the government of California, which then runs through the money of CalPERS, which then runs through the money that streams into the private sector of the United States.

00:54:12.000 That's just the loop.

00:54:13.000 It's sort of the unpaid, the unidentified invisible road.

00:54:17.000 I'm glad you mentioned stuff like that because those ESG scores, I mean people start to wonder why is Disney going so woke when their movies keep bombing?

00:54:26.000 Well it's exactly because of those investors that are looking specifically for companies that are pushing these and it's not for financial gain because clearly these companies aren't making money.

00:54:34.000 It is actually an ideological push and I think you're wrong if you believe that money is the ultimate mover and maker right now because there are people who are willing to lose a lot of money in order to push this agenda.

00:54:45.000 Which is why I'm also more optimistic on market solutions than I am on government solutions, by the way.

00:54:50.000 I don't know if we haven't talked about the software, but if you know what Strive, want to know what Strive is?

00:54:55.000 My whole view is, Look, just for people who aren't aware of what's going on with the BlackRock problem, all right?

00:55:03.000 You've got three asset managers.

00:55:05.000 They manage over $20 trillion.

00:55:06.000 Okay, that's BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard.

00:55:09.000 That is, by the way, the largest private sector aggregation of capital in human history.

00:55:15.000 I've actually started studying this going all the way back to the Dutch East India Company and beyond.

00:55:18.000 This is the most powerful aggregation of corporate capital in human history.

00:55:22.000 But they're using the money of those everyday citizens To tell oil companies to drill for less oil, tech companies to adopt racial hiring systems, etc, etc, etc.

00:55:31.000 Well, if you ask most people in this country, actually I'll give a homework assignment to anyone watching this show, literally go ask your financial advisor, go ask the person who runs your 401k plan at work, was my money used to vote in favor of a racial equity audit at Apple or a emissions cap at Chevron?

00:55:50.000 First thing they'll tell you is they don't know because they probably don't.

00:55:52.000 Tell them to find out and you're almost certain to find out the answer was directly or indirectly, yes.

00:55:57.000 Once you know that, You've got to recognize it is your own money that is actually being used to vote for the very policies that we're sitting here complaining about.

00:56:07.000 I bet probably, directly or indirectly, I would be willing to bet that most of the three of you, if not all three of you, had your own investment accounts in some way, directly or indirectly, voting for those policies.

00:56:19.000 Once people wake up to that reality, you can move your own money in a way that at least gets much further than the government's going to get to in the next 24 months.

00:56:26.000 I mean, sure, mine isn't, by the way.

00:56:27.000 Right, right.

00:56:28.000 So break this down for us.

00:56:30.000 How would your money fall into the hands of those companies?

00:56:32.000 Yeah, so it's like a game of Plinko.

00:56:33.000 You've seen The Price is Right?

00:56:35.000 You know that game where you drop the Plinko chip?

00:56:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:37.000 Yeah, it's a pretty good game.

00:56:39.000 So there's a bunch of intermediaries.

00:56:40.000 So let's say, you know, I'll give you a couple different cascades.

00:56:43.000 Let's say you are working at a company, you put your money in a 401k account because you put that away, there's a tax advantage associated with doing so, whatever.

00:56:49.000 Well, that's invested in index funds.

00:56:51.000 You don't know who those index funds are because you have only a menu that your 401k plan administrator picks.

00:56:56.000 Well, those index funds tend to be provided by the three largest asset managers.

00:56:59.000 BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard.

00:57:01.000 Invesco, by the way, is number four.

00:57:02.000 They're not much better in this metric.

00:57:04.000 Now, what do they do?

00:57:05.000 They use that money to buy shares in publicly traded companies across the American economy.

00:57:10.000 That's what an index fund is.

00:57:11.000 You own the index.

00:57:13.000 Now, with that comes not only a financial entitlement, which is the right to receive the profits and dividends.

00:57:18.000 That's what you get if you own a share of a company.

00:57:20.000 But also the right to vote, because if you're a shareholder in this company, you have a right to actually say who runs the company, how much they're paid, and so on.

00:57:27.000 However, that voting power rests with the index fund manager, the BlackRock, the vanguard of the world.

00:57:35.000 And what they're doing now is they're using that share to not vote for what actually advances the financial interests of the person in that 401k account.

00:57:44.000 But to implement someone else's political agenda.

00:57:46.000 Who's that someone else?

00:57:47.000 Actually, it turns out that's CalPERS.

00:57:49.000 It's California's pension fund system.

00:57:51.000 That's the state of New York's pension fund system, who've explicitly, starting when Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Accords, this is about four years ago, they said that, well, look, if the government isn't going to address climate change or racial injustice, then we in the private sector have to do it instead.

00:58:04.000 So we, California, and by the way, Norway or whoever else did the same thing, we're going to pull our money from you, BlackRock or Vanguard, unless you use everyone else's money that you manage To vote this agenda in place and so they drag everyone else along for the ride because they know that mom and pop working with their 401k account ain't gonna pay attention.

00:58:20.000 They don't know what's going on.

00:58:21.000 So it was by design that that's actually what's implementing this agenda where if you put it in the ballot box that same mom and pop would say hell no.

00:58:30.000 If you ask them, do you want your money to be used to implement that same climate agenda or racial equity agenda, they will still say hell no.

00:58:36.000 But little do they know that their hard-earned dollars that they banked away in that 401k account was indeed the very weapon that was used to implement that agenda in the first place.

00:58:45.000 And it's not just individuals, it's also states, it's also countries, entirely just giving all of their money to these institutions, not even knowing that they're doing so.

00:58:52.000 And I believe it was West Virginia and Florida are the only states that kind of moved out of it, away from the ESG score, which I think is worth noting here, because there is a way, if people spread this information enough, there is a way to move away from the system that we are incentivizing and giving money to, which is absolutely crazy and I think we should stop immediately doing so.

00:59:10.000 I don't mean to plug my own stuff or whatever, but just factually speaking, I didn't think I was going to start another business.

00:59:14.000 I thought I was done.

00:59:15.000 I hung the jersey in business after biotech.

00:59:17.000 The reason I came back to it is literally this is a problem that is begging to be solved through the markets.

00:59:22.000 That's literally why I started Strive, which is...

00:59:25.000 To be a voice in the market that uses shareholder power that tells these companies to knock it off with the politics and to focus exclusively on making excellent products and services to make money and to do it without having to apologize for it.

00:59:39.000 And the irony is like back in 1990 you would have said this has been all.

00:59:43.000 This is the most boring thing you possibly could do.

00:59:47.000 Yet today, there's no other major firm I'm aware of that's actually started doing it.

00:59:53.000 And you know what's funny?

00:59:54.000 There's a million things I would have done differently.

00:59:57.000 Three months in, we crossed half a billion dollars.

00:59:59.000 It took JP Morgan, when they entered the ETF business, the exchange-traded-funded business, I'm told, over two years to cross a billion.

01:00:06.000 It's like, upstart, we're three months in, we crossed half a billion because of the demand of the everyday citizen for this basic alternative invoice they bring to the table.

01:00:14.000 Can you break down in layman's terms what it is you do?

01:00:16.000 Yeah, so Strive is basically the new company I founded.

01:00:19.000 It is competing directly with the likes of BlackRock and StateStreet and Vanguard, offering index funds, ways to invest in the market, to own the companies in these underlying indices.

01:00:30.000 but with a different mandate to the underlying companies.

01:00:34.000 Using not a gentle ask, but using shareholder power to mandate these companies to focus exclusively

01:00:40.000 on products and profits over politics and social agendas.

01:00:43.000 Have you talked with anyone in government in West Virginia or Florida about-

01:00:48.000 I've been talking to people across the states in the country, and it's been a wake up,

01:00:52.000 it's been an exercise in waking these people up to what's happening in their own backyard.

01:00:58.000 Now the funny thing is a lot of these folks are really happy in red states and otherwise to point the finger to Black Rock and State Street and Vanguard and that's fine.

01:01:06.000 When it's a lot harder for them to admit what's happening in their own backyard.

01:01:09.000 We're talking about the deep state at the federal level.

01:01:12.000 The deep state within the states is actually even more eye-opening.

01:01:15.000 When you look at how Florida, or how even the state of Texas, forget blue states, how those states' pension funds, even for the proxies, the shareholder votes that they cast internally, they're every bit as bad as the ESG industrial complex at BlackRock.

01:01:31.000 Racial equity audits at Amazon.

01:01:33.000 Civil rights representative on Facebook's board without re-electing Peter Thiel or Marc Andreessen.

01:01:37.000 They say they don't want to re-elect them, they want to appoint a civil rights representative to Facebook's board.

01:01:41.000 That's the state of Florida, right?

01:01:43.000 And so I think that a lot of conservatives, a lot of red states, they're really good at pointing out the problem in somebody else's yard, but not good enough at looking actually at the cesspool in even their own state governments in their own backyards.

01:01:57.000 And so one of the things I've been trying to do is Yes, to all of these states and more, educating them about what's even happening in their own little fiefdom.

01:02:05.000 And the more people get educated, the more it becomes difficult for them not to take action of some kind.

01:02:10.000 I think that's what we're beginning to see.

01:02:12.000 If social media allows you to have a voice.

01:02:15.000 And I absolutely agree with you.

01:02:17.000 I do believe the market is a way better solution and should fix everything, but we have a lot of socialism when it comes to a lot of these government officials manipulating the market for their own personal benefit.

01:02:26.000 But at the end of the day, for me personally, if you believe the government is going to solve any problem, you're either insane or delusional.

01:02:33.000 So I'm with you.

01:02:34.000 I think what you're doing is exciting.

01:02:35.000 It sounds really awesome, to be honest with you.

01:02:37.000 And I think if more people were aware, like, hey, I'm in a red state, but my retirement is going to the ESG, I think a lot of people would act on it immediately.

01:02:46.000 I would.

01:02:47.000 And I did personally, too.

01:02:48.000 I have someone that handles my retirement, and I'm like, I don't want my money in any of this nonsense. 0.73

01:02:53.000 And he handles it in a way where he makes sure he doesn't prioritize a lot of this bigger bullcrap.

01:02:57.000 We talked with the state treasurer from West Virginia.

01:03:00.000 He came on the show last week.

01:03:01.000 Good guy.

01:03:01.000 Yeah, Riley.

01:03:02.000 You met him?

01:03:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:03.000 He's a friend.

01:03:03.000 And he was telling... Awesome.

01:03:05.000 That's what I was going to ask you about.

01:03:05.000 We've written together.

01:03:07.000 He talked about getting West Virginia out of all the ESG companies, saying, we're not going to do contracts with them.

01:03:12.000 These companies were saying, we will not provide financing for the oil industry, for the coal industry, for fossil fuels.

01:03:18.000 And that's West Virginia, strong point of West Virginia.

01:03:20.000 So he said, then get out.

01:03:21.000 We need to see more of that.

01:03:22.000 Here's a, I mean, this is going to be probably getting too boring and technical for you guys,

01:03:26.000 but I think I've learned is a lot of the state treasurers have been making a lot of noise.

01:03:31.000 Turns out they don't have a ton of power.

01:03:33.000 I hope I don't upset some of them by saying this, but I'm just going to call it like I

01:03:36.000 see it.

01:03:37.000 The real money is in the pension fund systems, right?

01:03:40.000 So what the state treasurers have is like a pittance.

01:03:44.000 They'll move a few hundred million dollars, which sounds a lot on a Fox news.com headline,

01:03:48.000 but is actually a pittance compared to a $20 trillion problem where the tens or hundreds

01:03:52.000 of billions are actually in the pension systems.

01:03:55.000 And there you have politically insulated actors, right? 0.88

01:03:57.000 You have actors who are.

01:03:59.000 Designed to be not responsive to the will of the everyday citizens that are through layers and layers of appointments, the people who sit on those bureaucratic bodies, that's really where the decisions get made.

01:04:10.000 So, you know, even even that Florida decision, they pulled two billion from BlackRock or whatever, that was mostly cash and short term, like fixed income, like like lending instruments.

01:04:19.000 Nothing to do with the equity problem, which is owning stocks and actually telling companies how to behave.

01:04:24.000 That's in a different part of a state bureaucracy's apparatus.

01:04:28.000 And it's, again, the same problem that we're talking about with the federal government, the whole FBI issue.

01:04:32.000 It's the same issue here, too, where the people who we elect to run the government are really good at projecting to the public that they're able to exercise actual political power.

01:04:42.000 When in fact, that only deepens the problem because they're not even the ones who are exercising the real political power, which is a bureaucratic technocracy that sits beneath the level of detection.

01:04:53.000 That's really where the meat is.

01:04:55.000 It absolutely is a political bureaucracy.

01:04:58.000 And I know you're right that it's not left versus right, as simple as that.

01:05:02.000 But once more, these These structures that actually extend to things like pension funds, I don't think we can overlook that yet.

01:05:09.000 These are all leftists, right?

01:05:10.000 So the thing with leftist activists is that they are not just at their job.

01:05:14.000 They are a leftist activist at their job.

01:05:16.000 That is exactly why something like an ESG score even exists in the first place.

01:05:20.000 And so what is frustrating to me with the right is that, okay, we are trying to further our agenda by saying, let's not be political a lot of the times.

01:05:29.000 And a lot of time, that's all that the right is asking for is just political neutrality.

01:05:33.000 I would like to see the right fight back a little bit more and say, no, that's actually not enough, right?

01:05:37.000 It's actually not just enough to say, oh, we're going to care about finances.

01:05:40.000 And not that your firm should be in this, but individual companies, I would love to see more of them actually say, hang on, we're actually afraid to say something that's pro-abortion.

01:05:49.000 We want to be pro-life because we know otherwise we're going to be upsetting the conservative consumer base just as much as we would be upsetting the left-wing, rabid, regressive consumer base.

01:05:59.000 But unfortunately, The right is still not on the same cultural level that the left is in that regard.

01:06:05.000 Do you see that viral video from, is it live action or live action?

01:06:08.000 Live action.

01:06:09.000 Live action.

01:06:10.000 I always say one and then think it's the other, where this woman, she comes in and their boss 0.98

01:06:14.000 and the manager, they're like, so we heard the good news, you know, we heard news, you're

01:06:18.000 pregnant, she's like, I am.

01:06:19.000 And they're like, let us know there's anything we can do for you.

01:06:21.000 We'll get you a flight, you know, whatever you need, flight out of state, we'll get you

01:06:24.000 a really nice hotel.

01:06:25.000 And she's like, flight out of state?

01:06:26.000 And they're like, right, right.

01:06:28.000 When do you think you get back to work?

01:06:29.000 We're thinking a couple of weeks.

01:06:30.000 And she's like, uh, and then after giving birth, they're like, oh, we meant, you know,

01:06:38.000 So these companies, I think this one's obvious, they want to save money.

01:06:42.000 It's cheaper just to have a woman go get an abortion than it is to actually provide benefits for them. 1.00

01:06:46.000 Pay for maternity leave as well as dependence on the health care? 1.00

01:06:49.000 No, it's being spun as this feminist thing to pay for an employee's abortion. 1.00

01:06:53.000 It's really just, I mean, capitalism trying to get you back to your 9 to 5, which in other circumstances feminists would oppose, but because it enables abortion, they're actually for it. 0.99

01:07:03.000 Kroger is one of the places that said that they would come and pay for abortions.

01:07:07.000 Yeah, Microsoft as well.

01:07:09.000 There's a whole bunch of them.

01:07:10.000 I encourage anyone who watches this to actually look up those lists of companies and stop shopping there because otherwise you are literally funding abortion.

01:07:17.000 That's not hyperbole.

01:07:18.000 You are financing these employees' abortions.

01:07:21.000 You've got to vote with your dollar.

01:07:23.000 I think a lot of people realize that you have a lot more power when it comes to deciding what you incentivize than just going to that ballot box once every four years.

01:07:31.000 So, just to ask you directly, if you could have your way, what would happen?

01:07:34.000 How can we take action on this?

01:07:35.000 How can we move forward?

01:07:36.000 If you were able to decide how we move forward, what would be the next step?

01:07:41.000 Transparency, first of all.

01:07:42.000 So look, the way I look at it, we live in a free country.

01:07:45.000 If you want with your own money, To advance an environmental agenda or a social agenda, whatever that is, pro-life agenda, pro-choice agenda, whatever it is, if you want to do it with your own money, we live in a free country, you're free to do that, but if you're not free to do it with OPM, okay, other people's money, okay, that's an expression we use, we talk about that all the time, okay, you can't do it with OPM.

01:08:04.000 So if you're going to do it with other people's money, There's a really simple standard.

01:08:09.000 You just need to tell them you're doing it, and you need to get their consent.

01:08:13.000 So what happens when every wealth manager, every 401k account in corporate America, every 401k plan manager, every pension fund manager goes and asks the teacher, the doctor, the nurse, the engineer, Hey, are you cool with me using your money to vote in favor of a racial equity-based hiring system that's an effective quota system in corporate America?

01:08:33.000 Most of them are going to have a pretty clear answer.

01:08:34.000 They're going to say, hell no, I'm not.

01:08:37.000 Now for the 20% or the 10% who's fine with it, that's great. 1.00

01:08:41.000 That restores integrity back into the system.

01:08:44.000 And some of those people are going to say, you know what?

01:08:46.000 I would trade off a few dollars of investment return if you actually make sure that these companies embrace pro-life causes.

01:08:52.000 And if you're doing that with your own money, I'm fine with that too.

01:08:54.000 But I would not be fine with an asset manager, even though I'm right of center, it doesn't matter.

01:08:59.000 I don't think an asset manager should be using somebody else's money to fund a pro-life cause without the capital owner actually knowing it.

01:09:05.000 So my ask is actually pretty simple.

01:09:07.000 Transparency, disclosure, consent.

01:09:11.000 Actually prosecute, bring civil action or otherwise against the people who violate those principles.

01:09:16.000 If they're not playing by the rules and you are, they're winning.

01:09:16.000 That's the challenge, though.

01:09:19.000 Well, part of the role of a market actor is also to raise hell and make sure that they are damn well playing by the same rules by the time we're done with this.

01:09:27.000 And so this is a bottom-up revolution, not in our politics, but it's in our market because people are voting every day with their dollars.

01:09:35.000 They just don't think of themselves as voting as they do once a year when they go to the ballot box every November.

01:09:40.000 Once they realize that, though, that knowledge is the first step to actually giving them choice, making sure the other guy's feet are held to the fire, that they are playing by the same rules.

01:09:48.000 We don't need to pass new laws for this, by the way.

01:09:50.000 Most of these are violations, I believe, of laws that are already on the books.

01:09:54.000 Basic fiduciary principles.

01:09:56.000 If you're Sam Bankman-Fried, You cannot use a customer's funds in a way that a customer did not agree to without his permission.

01:10:03.000 That's the crime on offer.

01:10:05.000 Well, I don't care if you dress it up as he did actually, by the way, too.

01:10:08.000 In an ESG clothing, you could say the same thing.

01:10:10.000 You can't use somebody else's money to advance your own agenda without telling them you're doing it unless you get their permission.

01:10:17.000 Same principles, just got to apply those standards even-handedly.

01:10:21.000 I think red states are slowly, slowly beginning to wake up to it.

01:10:24.000 I think people really need to know about this because I would be pissed.

01:10:27.000 My money's going to promote wokeness. 0.99

01:10:29.000 But also, more importantly, I think people need to realize you're losing money because you're incentivizing a lot of this nonsense that doesn't make money.

01:10:36.000 And at the end of the day, your retirement account is losing on its investment.

01:10:39.000 You're making a blood boil one step further, just as we're on the kick of pissing you off here.

01:10:46.000 So with one hand, okay, the black rocks of the world are pressuring Exxon and Chevron and others to effectively drill for less oil with emissions caps.

01:10:55.000 Turns out those companies have to drop oil production projects to meet those net zero standards by 2050.

01:11:02.000 Guess who's... Let me ask you just a question, what your net reaction is.

01:11:05.000 You may know where I'm going with this, so you may probably get it right.

01:11:07.000 Do you think those projects are still proceeding?

01:11:10.000 Or do you think that they actually just got dropped in the interest of staving off global emissions?

01:11:13.000 Which do you think it is between the two?

01:11:15.000 Dropped.

01:11:16.000 No, wrong answer actually.

01:11:17.000 Projects are proceeding.

01:11:19.000 They're just proceeding under new ownership.

01:11:21.000 So the firms that are buying up these projects from Chevron include the likes of PetroChina on the other side of the world.

01:11:29.000 Now you ask the final question, guess who's one of the large shareholders of PetroChina?

01:11:36.000 It is none other than BlackRock, the very firm that was actually pressuring the Exxons and Chevrons of the world over a year to drop those kinds of projects.

01:11:43.000 That is how deep this runs.

01:11:44.000 You don't know why?

01:11:45.000 Because if you go to China and say, I'm going to establish an ESG agenda and scope three emissions targets, they're going to tell you to get the heck out and to shut the door on your way out because we built a great Chinese wall, the great wall that stops you from entering the Chinese market if you're going to mess with our companies.

01:11:59.000 But actually, if you're also one of those firms that's doing it to the U.S., we'll roll out the red carpet.

01:12:04.000 And that's exactly why BlackRock became the first foreign owner to win a license to sell mutual funds in China a few years ago, because they were doing the bidding of the CCP.

01:12:15.000 So this runs deep.

01:12:16.000 Right.

01:12:17.000 And when you have sort of concentrated nodes of private public power in the United States,

01:12:24.000 that's what lends it to capture even by other governments like the CCP in a truly decentralized

01:12:28.000 free market system or in a truly decentralized democratic body politic, by the way, that

01:12:33.000 doesn't lend itself to capture, including by foreign actors.

01:12:36.000 But when you have that level of concentration of both capital, but also capital coordinated

01:12:41.000 with state action, that's what lends itself to capture from abroad.

01:12:45.000 And that's the game the CCP has actually mastered.

01:12:47.000 This brings me to something I've been talking about for a very long time, because we have

01:12:50.000 seen a lot of Western elites, a lot of Wall Street firms prop up China.

01:12:54.000 And I think they're using China as a vessel, not only to test out their draconian big brother 0.59

01:12:59.000 to tell Terry and policies, but more importantly, I think China is the direction the whole world

01:13:04.000 is going in.

01:13:05.000 And we see individuals like Bill Gates literally advise the Chinese government.

01:13:09.000 I don't think that's a coincidence here.

01:13:11.000 What do you think is really going on here?

01:13:12.000 How do you think this is developing?

01:13:14.000 Because for me personally, I'm seeing this as an attempt by many elites to make China as an example for the rest of the world.

01:13:20.000 Klaus Schwab even openly talks about this.

01:13:22.000 Bill Gates openly compliments China with their zero COVID policies when they're actually creating humanitarian crises and violating human rights on so many different levels.

01:13:31.000 So to me, China is the playground of the elites. 0.87

01:13:33.000 They're using it for the future for everyone.

01:13:37.000 Is that correct or is that too much?

01:13:39.000 I view it just in reverse.

01:13:41.000 Whereas I think that what people who you call the elites are really just the circus monkeys. 0.84

01:13:44.000 Okay, Tim Cook and Larry Fink are Xi Jinping's circus monkeys.

01:13:49.000 He will say jump, they will ask how high, because it actually comes down to money.

01:13:53.000 So the game we played in this country, and by the way, this is not just Democrat-Republican, this is Democrats and Republicans, by the way, starting in the 1990s, had this philosophy of democratic capitalism in the United States.

01:14:04.000 The way it went was, we're going to export Big Macs and Happy Meals, and somehow we're going to imagine that spreads democracy to places like China.

01:14:10.000 We're going to use our money to get them to be more like us.

01:14:15.000 What China realized, and they're always playing a longer game than we are, is that actually, we could turn that on its head. 0.92

01:14:22.000 We can use our money, access to our market.

01:14:26.000 get America to be more like us, or one step better, they realized they could use our own money to get us to be more like us, because we're the ones who invested there in the first place.

01:14:34.000 Well, there's that old neoliberal idea that as a nation progresses economically, that naturally liberty and democracy will follow.

01:14:42.000 So that was the idea with all the foreign direct investment.

01:14:44.000 It was wrong.

01:14:44.000 It was dead wrong.

01:14:45.000 It's dead wrong.

01:14:45.000 That's the thing.

01:14:46.000 That's the idea with the foreign direct investment to China.

01:14:48.000 Not only do we get all these cheaper goods, but hey, we also get to democratize them, we get to make them exactly Western like us.

01:14:55.000 I grew up in China partially.

01:14:58.000 Not only in Hong Kong, but also in Shanghai.

01:15:00.000 And it was shocking, absolutely unbelievable, the amount of progress and development that happened while I was living under there.

01:15:06.000 But the thing is, I think they overestimated the draw that American neoliberalism will have.

01:15:11.000 Because as China has gotten more developed, it's actually – I mean, people say it's communist.

01:15:15.000 It's not really communist.

01:15:16.000 It's the strange hybrid of state-run authoritarianism.

01:15:20.000 They're actually seeing the decadences of the West and they are using the capital that the West has essentially transferred over to them in order to combat it directly, right?

01:15:28.000 And we see this through TikTok.

01:15:30.000 Chinese TikTok is not the same as Western TikTok.

01:15:33.000 You go on Western TikTok and they're offering you up videos of trans, non-binary, whatever.

01:15:37.000 Chinese TikTok is actually educational.

01:15:39.000 Math and engineering.

01:15:40.000 Exactly.

01:15:41.000 And that's not an accident.

01:15:43.000 China is very aware of the societal ills that the West has, basically the same thing.

01:15:48.000 And they're actually trying to encourage them abroad while limiting it at home.

01:15:53.000 So you hit the nail on the head there.

01:15:54.000 So there's no distinction in China between economic policy and military policy.

01:15:59.000 They're two sides of the same coin, okay?

01:16:01.000 So what's really going on here is I think it's their version or their vision of the Trojan War, okay?

01:16:06.000 Greece was not going to defeat Troy militarily any more than China is going to defeat the United States militarily.

01:16:13.000 Ain't gonna happen in the foreseeable future, okay?

01:16:15.000 But what they realized is that we can give the other side the gift they cannot resist.

01:16:21.000 In Greece's case, if you give them the Trojan horse that we know they cannot resist, we'll use that to burn them from within. 0.99

01:16:26.000 For us, it's global capitalism itself.

01:16:29.000 The illusion of global capitalism itself, that is the sweet siren song that we know the West and America in particular cannot resist.

01:16:36.000 We will turn their own companies, Apple, Airbnb, TikTok has an app, whatever it is, as Trojan horses to undermine their system from within.

01:16:46.000 And people pick on TikTok right now for good reason.

01:16:48.000 I think it's a data collection Trojan horse.

01:16:51.000 Forget the Chinese company, right? 0.78

01:16:52.000 It's by dance on TikTok.

01:16:54.000 Just take Airbnb, for example.

01:16:56.000 Not a lot of people know this, but this is like front page Wall Street Journal reporting three years ago, I wrote about a little bit more in my book.

01:17:03.000 Airbnb, American company headquartered in Silicon Valley.

01:17:05.000 ESG Darling, by the way, puts a neat little black square on its Instagram account to stand in solidarity with Black Lives Matter.

01:17:11.000 Okay, what do they do?

01:17:12.000 They are literally handing over The American user data on their platform, including private messages between people who rent and the hosts on their platform, geolocational data, etc., as a condition for doing business in China.

01:17:27.000 They don't get to do business in China unless they hand that over.

01:17:31.000 Do they tell US users that they're doing it?

01:17:33.000 Absolutely not.

01:17:34.000 Did their chief privacy officer resign?

01:17:36.000 But, you know, Nate Blacharczyk, he was a couple years ahead of me in college, what did he say?

01:17:36.000 Yes, he did.

01:17:40.000 He was quoted and saying it internally at their meeting.

01:17:43.000 We're not here to promote American values.

01:17:48.000 So we in America are fine with that.

01:17:50.000 We think that companies should not exist to promote American values.

01:17:52.000 They should exist to sell goods and services.

01:17:55.000 But the problem is, on a global stage, China does believe that those companies exist to promote Chinese values.

01:18:01.000 And unless they abide by that, they don't get to do business there.

01:18:03.000 So that's how they've actually turned our own game on its head, and here we are playing along, going along for the ride.

01:18:11.000 Ten years from now, if we wake up to today, I think there's something we can do about it.

01:18:14.000 Ten years from now, wait to wake up to this, we're done.

01:18:16.000 It's toast.

01:18:17.000 I mean, same with our lack of capital controls.

01:18:17.000 Game over.

01:18:19.000 This is especially a problem in Canada, but you have all of these Chinese property buyers who are not only Buying residential areas, entire projects, but also buying up things like ports, right? 0.99

01:18:28.000 So it's not just the financial system.

01:18:30.000 We're actually talking about physicality.

01:18:32.000 China owns the West. 0.99

01:18:34.000 This is not even mentioning the amount of dollars that they have in reserve, right?

01:18:37.000 So I get that people are saying, oh, this is a problem we need to address militarily.

01:18:42.000 China doesn't really need to lift a finger in terms of arms to, I would say, fatally hurt the American system at this point. 0.92

01:18:48.000 They have police departments inside of the United States and Canada from the Chinese government.

01:18:53.000 They have a lot of sphere of influence, but they wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller going over there and opening up China to the world.

01:19:00.000 That's the nice phrase that they used, but in all actuality, they just used China as a vehicle to spread globalization.

01:19:07.000 They took all the factory jobs from the United States, they shipped it over there, and they made a deal.

01:19:11.000 With China, saying, hey, we're going to be working with you guys one-on-one.

01:19:14.000 This is the pathway by Henry Kissinger that led us here, and now we're in this situation that you're describing.

01:19:20.000 So you are totally right.

01:19:21.000 Kissinger screwed up.

01:19:22.000 No, no, no.

01:19:23.000 Kissinger doesn't screw up.

01:19:24.000 Kissinger, I think, is a brilliant human being, and I think a lot of his screw-ups actually do benefit a lot of his friends.

01:19:31.000 Okay, wait, wait, wait.

01:19:32.000 Kissinger screwed up in... Screwed up may be the wrong word. 0.96

01:19:35.000 Screwed us. 0.96

01:19:36.000 Yes, yes.

01:19:37.000 Kissinger screwed everyone else over for the benefit of his friends, like his policies usually do. 0.60

01:19:41.000 His legacies screwed us.

01:19:43.000 Okay, now though, that's the easy part.

01:19:45.000 Identifying that in the rearview mirror and correctly assigning blame is the first step.

01:19:50.000 Fine.

01:19:51.000 What do we do about it?

01:19:52.000 The question is, there is going to be a sacrifice.

01:19:56.000 It is not a small sacrifice.

01:19:57.000 It will be a very big sacrifice.

01:19:58.000 an economic sacrifice that we're going to have to be willing to make to say that we're not going to

01:20:03.000 defeat an enemy who we depend on to supply our iPhones and our movies and the sneakers that we

01:20:07.000 wear on a given day. Is that a sacrifice we're willing to make? We're not even willing to make

01:20:12.000 a sacrifice to ban TikTok because kids are so addicted to it. What level of sacrifice are we

01:20:16.000 going to be willing to make? It goes back to the thing I said earlier. It's like giving cocaine to

01:20:20.000 the drug addict, okay?

01:20:22.000 If the drug addict can't say no to the thing they're addicted to, they're just heading down the road to the black hole of their own misery.

01:20:30.000 That's where we are in our relationship with China right now.

01:20:33.000 We don't have it in us.

01:20:35.000 We don't have the fortitude to cut ourselves off from the comforts that we're going to have to give up in the short run in order to fix this for the long run.

01:20:41.000 Well, if you look at China's model of economic nationalism, there are things that the U.S.

01:20:46.000 could copy, essentially, and ensure that they take greater control of their own companies, their own capital.

01:20:50.000 But like you said, they're not going to do it.

01:20:52.000 And I bring this back to movies because, again, Mediaholic Channel, China, you actually, they limit the number of foreign movies that you can bring into China every single year.

01:21:00.000 And obviously, China's this huge market for movies, a lot of revenue.

01:21:04.000 So what Hollywood does is that they actually do joint partnerships with Chinese production.

01:21:08.000 So if you ever wondered why there are so many different movies that are filmed in places

01:21:11.000 like Shanghai and Hong Kong counts for these purposes, though it's an SAR, it is because

01:21:16.000 if you partner with Chinese production, then you get to skirt around the quota.

01:21:21.000 Now you're no longer one of the maybe 10 films or whatever it may be that they release from

01:21:25.000 foreign production houses.

01:21:27.000 Now you actually count as local.

01:21:29.000 So you can give as many movies as you want in China.

01:21:32.000 You take a greater share of the cut.

01:21:33.000 And what that means is that actually Hollywood is funding the Chinese Communist Party.

01:21:38.000 And it's a smart move, but you see the United States, like you said, they would never ever

01:21:42.000 do something that bold, I guess that economically national.

01:21:48.000 They're not strong enough to do that.

01:21:49.000 The only thing I would say, Lauren, is one thing we've got to be careful of, and I see

01:21:52.000 this a little bit of this sloppiness on the right sometimes, is there could be two very

01:21:55.000 different justifications for taking similar courses of policy.

01:21:58.000 One is just straight-up economically protectionist, which is to say that, oh, they took our jobs and, you know, they're making stuff cheaper than we are here.

01:22:07.000 I'm not super sympathetic to the economically protectionist account of giving and coddling the American worker.

01:22:14.000 What I'm talking about is the national security side of the line.

01:22:17.000 And actually, it turns out that a lot of these policies can point in the same direction.

01:22:21.000 But when China is viewing economic policy and military policy as two sides of the same coin, I think that when it comes to a national security question, we've got to treat it as a national security issue that defends us against the one threat that actually matters to the United States.

01:22:34.000 That's not Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, Ukraine, it's China.

01:22:37.000 But I think that we've got to be careful not to make that a sloppy way into anti-meritocratic American worker coddling, which I think we could use less of rather than more, even though sometimes on the right people end up conflating a lot.

01:22:50.000 That's where I part ways with Josh Hawley and whatnot.

01:22:53.000 The justification for taking courses of action that might make sense for national security grounds don't work for me if it's just anti-meritocratic laziness.

01:22:59.000 Well, I think we're at a point now where people would be more willing to accept some economic protectionism if it's in the name of national security after COVID, right?

01:23:07.000 Because so many people saw that, hey, we don't actually make a lot of drugs in the United States anymore.

01:23:10.000 We don't make a lot of PPE in the United States anymore.

01:23:13.000 So there are definitely certain industries where I think people would be willing to say, let's make the sacrifice in order to support American business.

01:23:18.000 We already see that historically with American Steel, right?

01:23:20.000 Because we understand the importance of wartime.

01:23:22.000 I don't think people would be as willing to do that when it comes to those cheap goods that we can get at the dollar store, right?

01:23:28.000 Because the average consumer is going to think, why am I paying more for, I don't know, whatever it may be, my toothbrush now, for my iPhone now, like how is this part of national security?

01:23:38.000 That would be a really hard sell in terms of policy to the public.

01:23:43.000 I don't have an answer for that.

01:23:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I think any time that the litmus test for me is if China is using a company as a vehicle to advance a geopolitical goal, we need to treat that as what it is.

01:23:57.000 It is a geopolitical question.

01:23:58.000 It is a security question.

01:24:00.000 It is not just an economic question.

01:24:02.000 Where does that leave us?

01:24:03.000 Probably banning TikTok.

01:24:05.000 I mean, not just TikTok.

01:24:06.000 We're also talking about the NBA as well.

01:24:08.000 We see them pushing this leftist agenda.

01:24:11.000 They have big contracts with China, and they won't say a thing about free speech.

01:24:16.000 I mean, it's even something as simple, some might say, apolitical as sports.

01:24:20.000 There's also the economic incentive.

01:24:21.000 Like, China is in that.

01:24:23.000 They are controlling that.

01:24:23.000 That's why LeBron James, despite all his BLM activism, won't say a thing about the Uighur Muslims.

01:24:29.000 Yeah, these are circus monkeys of the CCP.

01:24:32.000 Do you think there could be a market solution to this?

01:24:34.000 Because I'm thinking about this and I just don't want the government deciding what we can and cannot see.

01:24:40.000 I think a bigger solution, and this is just me being optimistic, is giving people An Internet Bill of Rights, where you have your data, you protect your data, and I think the reason why all this sabotage and spying and fifth-generational warfare is going on, because it's not just benefiting the Chinese, it's also benefiting the American deep state. 0.92

01:24:58.000 They're getting data sets, Facebook knows when you take a dump, they know everything you do, and they have garnered so much intelligence.

01:25:04.000 They knew when I was about to give birth, because I was Googling pregnancy stuff, they knew when the newborn was coming.

01:25:09.000 But there's advertisements being sent to mothers that are sent before they even know that they're pregnant themselves based on their behaviors and activities that they commit on social media.

01:25:17.000 So I think the one step moving forward is saying, hey, your data, you control it.

01:25:22.000 And if you want to sell it to another company, you have that right to do that.

01:25:26.000 Is there a possibility for that to happen rather than the government coming in and just banning these accounts?

01:25:30.000 Because I think also there needs to be a lot more public awareness at the severity of just this kind of deep state spying that's happening.

01:25:37.000 I mean, I've seen libertarians argue that even something like a Bill of Rights for the Internet would be government action in and of itself, because you can't forget if there's an Internet Bill of Rights that also necessitates that there's some sort of penalty or enforcement.

01:25:49.000 So I think you're talking about fancy solutions in terms of market solutions.

01:25:52.000 I think there's actually lower hanging fruit just to keep it even simpler.

01:25:55.000 I think in the same way that globalization represented an opportunity in the 1990s, just from a raw investment perspective, I think de-globalization represents a massive investment opportunity.

01:26:07.000 From a capital allocation perspective over the next 10 years ahead as well.

01:26:11.000 I'll give you one small example.

01:26:13.000 I've done business in China before, by the way.

01:26:16.000 I was an exchange student my senior year of college at Peking University.

01:26:19.000 That's sort of the Harvard of China, they call it.

01:26:22.000 Done business in China thereafter.

01:26:23.000 I've seen what that looks like.

01:26:26.000 I said that when I found it Strive, I said, look, we're not going to do business in China.

01:26:30.000 We're not going to make that commitment on day one.

01:26:32.000 Why do I say that?

01:26:33.000 Is that because I dislike the CCP?

01:26:34.000 I personally dislike the CCP, but it has nothing to do with it.

01:26:36.000 It has to do with the fact that you can't be a good fiduciary to an American consumer managing an American's funds.

01:26:42.000 speaking as a vocal shareholder on behalf of American clients, if you have the boot of the CCP on your neck.

01:26:48.000 Now, I think that that is actually a business opportunity to operate with greater integrity,

01:26:53.000 serving the American consumer unapologetically, in a way that the pendulum,

01:26:57.000 when it swung so far in one direction, you know, is sort of a classic maxim of Warren Buffett,

01:27:02.000 be brave when others are fearful, be fearful when others are brave,

01:27:05.000 to actually be contrary and go in the other direction, to be an even better steward for the American customer

01:27:10.000 by differentiating yourself, by making sure that the thing that differentiates you

01:27:14.000 is that you are not under the bear hug or under the auspice or with a gun to your head from the

01:27:19.000 CCP.

01:27:20.000 And so I just think that deglobalization broadly and a willingness to invest,

01:27:26.000 to serve the citizens of nations rather than global citizens,

01:27:30.000 can itself be an economic opportunity that defines, probably, great businesses that can be built

01:27:35.000 on the back of that over the next decade.

01:27:37.000 Now, operationalizing that into an internet through a tech-based infrastructure or the blockchain or whatever else, I mean, that gets complicated, free speech bill of rights or internet bill of rights.

01:27:47.000 You know, those are all thorny issues we could spend a five hour discussion on in their own right.

01:27:51.000 But I just think about even basic business builders and entrepreneurs stepping up and saying that I can, in order to put my American customer first, that itself is a business opportunity that I can liberate myself from, even if that means sacrificing the extra 30% of the opportunity that I could have gotten by going to China.

01:28:06.000 And I think we're going to see more of that.

01:28:07.000 Lauren, if I could just ask you, because I grew up in Poland during communism.

01:28:11.000 My family tells me all these crazy stories about what they had to go through because of the KGB and the government there.

01:28:17.000 Do you have similar stories growing up in China?

01:28:19.000 Does your family tell you stories of maybe how the social credit score was being put into place or anything like that?

01:28:25.000 I mostly grew up in Hong Kong.

01:28:26.000 My dad is Cantonese from Hong Kong.

01:28:29.000 My views about, I guess, The benefits versus cons of British colonialism have gotten me in trouble on Twitter many a time.

01:28:38.000 So, you know, my parents, they've been in Hong Kong during things like the Umbrella protests.

01:28:43.000 And personally, I witnessed that every time I go back to Hong Kong, you see more and more actual propaganda.

01:28:48.000 And for anyone who's not familiar with Hong Kong, it is one of the most developed and I guess financially free places on the planet, right?

01:28:58.000 15% flat tax.

01:28:59.000 You're walking down the main street and there are all these major brands, Dior, Chanel, you name it, now with CCP propaganda covered over it.

01:29:07.000 So this is absolutely something that's gotten increasingly worse over the past few years.

01:29:11.000 And there's footage of people doing things like trying to rip down those data hubs, essentially,

01:29:18.000 that are trying to monitor your face.

01:29:19.000 So this is something that, I mean, it's even more recent.

01:29:23.000 And that's what's so scary about it, because you hear about these losses of freedoms, and

01:29:28.000 you think maybe Soviet Union or a generation ago, maybe even further back.

01:29:32.000 But no, this is actually something, freedoms are actually something that you can lose in

01:29:35.000 real time.

01:29:36.000 Heck, even I'm going to bring it to Canada, that my nationalities have not been doing

01:29:40.000 too well in terms of safeguarding liberties.

01:29:43.000 I'm also Canadian.

01:29:44.000 It's the same thing in Canada as well.

01:29:46.000 I mean, you're freezing bank accounts now.

01:29:48.000 So, like, where are these people supposed to go at a certain point when literally, I would say, most nations are backsliding?

01:29:54.000 Yeah, I mean, I was in Hong Kong during a lot of the protests there, and the way that the Chinese government squashes protests and the measures that they put in is absolutely terrifying.

01:30:05.000 I talked to a lot of the protesters there, I've done on the ground reporting, I was in the tear gas, I was in the craziness, and just the level of sophistication when it comes to their intelligence surveillance state.

01:30:15.000 It's a police state.

01:30:16.000 It is terrifying.

01:30:17.000 Right.

01:30:18.000 And I think, you know, I've spoken with my husband about this before.

01:30:20.000 If we are in a situation where liberty is essentially dissolving everywhere we go, I would rather live in a state that is at least less physically and technologically capable of oppressing you than one that is, right?

01:30:33.000 Which is why there are so many people that I know just personally— Incompetent dictatorship rather than a competent one.

01:30:38.000 Exactly, you're right, and that's something that I think Rousseau has kind of written about.

01:30:41.000 I would rather at least a dictator who's only got a limited reach due to limited resources rather than, I mean, somewhere like Hong Kong, like China, like Canada, and I would say in a lot of ways, yeah, like Europe.

01:30:52.000 We're gonna go to Super Chats now!

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01:31:07.000 So we record those usually after we wrap, but we're gonna read Super Chats from you.

01:31:10.000 So again, smash that like button.

01:31:12.000 Let's read some of your comments, and I'll just address everybody in the chat.

01:31:15.000 I am sleeping, actually.

01:31:18.000 It is because I'm very tired, because we flew out here, we did the show, it's work, work, work, and then today, not only did I do my morning show, I also recorded for PragerU, which was really awesome, they were awesome, and then we're here, and then so then once everybody got into it, I was like, man, they're holding it down.

01:31:32.000 I'm gonna chill, and then we'll get to the Super Chats, and here we are, so let's read.

01:31:36.000 All right, Autistic Musings says, why don't you ask your politician guests why they aren't running on getting the Epstein client list exposed?

01:31:44.000 You would think there is no better platform to run on than that.

01:31:47.000 And it unifies people, too, from the left and the right.

01:31:49.000 A lot of people know that the whole Jeffrey Epstein saga doesn't add up, doesn't make any sense.

01:31:53.000 You can unify America with it.

01:31:55.000 Yeah, but you know, Luke, we just saw a handful of politicians at TPUSA and you were asking about church commissions.

01:32:00.000 Yeah.

01:32:01.000 What about Epstein?

01:32:01.000 Absolutely.

01:32:03.000 Church commissions would probably expose what happened with Epstein.

01:32:06.000 And again, if people don't know what happened with Epstein, it's an international trafficking and extortion operation run by the intelligence agencies for over 30 plus years.

01:32:13.000 So high levels of the government, big banks, all involved in trafficking small children.

01:32:18.000 The most unspeakable, sickest, nastiest things that happen in this world.

01:32:21.000 The fact that the client list is still not released shows you just how corrupt our whole institution is.

01:32:27.000 And how the intelligence agencies probably have a lot of dirt on all of our politicians, especially individuals like Bill Gates.

01:32:33.000 I'm looking at your shirt, man.

01:32:34.000 Huh?

01:32:35.000 I'm looking at your shirt.

01:32:35.000 Yes.

01:32:37.000 I really do love that we're going into the holidays, and what we did with Thanksgiving, but also with this Christmas, everyone's going to have the opportunity to be like, so that Epstein thing was true, huh?

01:32:47.000 Alex Jones was right.

01:32:48.000 Alex Jones was right.

01:32:49.000 Dollar in the jar.

01:32:50.000 That's right, everybody.

01:32:51.000 I have like 15 Epstein shirts just to get the conversation started and sparked up.

01:32:55.000 I mean, no better way.

01:32:56.000 I mean, this is something that everyone on left and right agrees on.

01:33:00.000 I mean, this should be a major talking point and it's not.

01:33:02.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.000 Absolutely.

01:33:04.000 All right, we got Beavis McLean who says, Tim, quit stealing my spoons and hiding them on the moon.

01:33:08.000 I demand that you put pictures of my favorite people, you, Luke, Ian, and possibly Michael Malice in Times Square, and I can forgive you for the thefts.

01:33:16.000 Me, I, Luke, Ian, we are in Times Square right now.

01:33:20.000 It's actually really crazy.

01:33:21.000 Plus, right on the North Tower on the ground, there's two three-sided, it's like a big screen, it's like a cube.

01:33:28.000 And it says Timcast IRL.

01:33:29.000 I saw it.

01:33:30.000 It looks pretty good.

01:33:31.000 You saw it?

01:33:32.000 Yeah, I saw it.

01:33:33.000 I'm excited.

01:33:34.000 I saw it a couple weeks ago.

01:33:35.000 There was some ad agency in my DMs and I checked out their profile.

01:33:36.000 They're legit.

01:33:37.000 They wanted to get on a call with me about like purchasing stuff in Times Square.

01:33:40.000 It's like, I don't know who you think I am that I like could do that.

01:33:43.000 Who you met on the show.

01:33:44.000 Well, I guess.

01:33:45.000 They think I have billboard money.

01:33:46.000 It's like, no.

01:33:48.000 We did it for New Year's.

01:33:49.000 So it's going to be up on New Year's when everyone's filming.

01:33:51.000 It's going to be a big Timcast. 0.97

01:33:54.000 Doing that is about sending a message.

01:33:56.000 We want to be in the cultural spaces.

01:33:59.000 We want to be dominating the cultural spaces.

01:34:01.000 So one thing I'm really, really excited about is in the next couple of weeks we're going to be setting up a coffee shop.

01:34:06.000 And then we're going to hopefully have 10 coffee shops in a year or two.

01:34:10.000 And then we're going to have 20 coffee shops, maybe 1,000.

01:34:12.000 But these are places people can go and hang out.

01:34:13.000 These are places where you'll walk in.

01:34:15.000 It's a brick and mortar.

01:34:15.000 The physical world.

01:34:16.000 Who would have thought about that?

01:34:17.000 The physical world.

01:34:17.000 You'll walk in to buy a coffee, and there will be TVs playing this show, playing Pop Culture Crisis Tales from the Inverted World.

01:34:23.000 We'll also have your show playing.

01:34:24.000 We will have people that we think are sending good messages, just as the default content when you're sitting down having a coffee.

01:34:30.000 But wait, I know what the audience is wanting to know.

01:34:32.000 I saw this on Twitter, the suggestion, is it going to be called the Coffee Beanie?

01:34:36.000 No, because the coffee bean already exists.

01:34:38.000 That was my idea.

01:34:39.000 It's a chain of coffee shops.

01:34:43.000 There's a coffee shop in New Haven that's called Blue State Coffee, based on being a blue state or whatever.

01:34:50.000 I always thought there was an opportunity for a red state coffee.

01:34:55.000 I know it doesn't have to be a partisan thing, but a place where people get together with common interest to have a conversation.

01:35:00.000 I hope that's part of your Yeah, the first one we're setting up, it's a coffee shop.

01:35:04.000 It's going to have a place for playing music, small stage, and then we're going to do Ian's Crystal Cave Cove or whatever.

01:35:11.000 Small stage music, that's pretty good.

01:35:12.000 But then the second floor is going to be like skate shop and games.

01:35:15.000 So you can get a coffee, go out, play board games, skate stuff.

01:35:18.000 Third floor, we're going to have a podcast studio set up.

01:35:20.000 So that way we can do special Friday night shows.

01:35:22.000 Members only can come and hang out in the first floor, have a drink.

01:35:24.000 Or drive shows.

01:35:26.000 Yeah, like people, like an audience.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 But maybe very, very limited to members.

01:35:30.000 It might be only a small handful of people drinking, having a drink or something.

01:35:33.000 Hopefully we get a liquor license and then, you know, at this location.

01:35:35.000 Good luck, man.

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:37.000 We got the building.

01:35:37.000 And building exists.

01:35:38.000 An audience live show would be incredible.

01:35:41.000 We can't do the new building we got because it's just not structured that way, but we're hoping to, we've been trying to do this for a while now, hopefully we can have a bunch of these small little venues and then people can come and hang out and meet like-minded people.

01:35:54.000 But mainly what I want to do is... Are you going to have comedians?

01:35:56.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

01:35:56.000 Okay.

01:35:57.000 I'm working on stand-up. 0.98

01:35:58.000 My husband is sure that I'll bomb, but I would love to bomb at your place.

01:36:01.000 Oh, you'd be great. 0.98

01:36:01.000 We'll get Ryan Long to come out. 0.98

01:36:02.000 No, what?

01:36:03.000 Okay, I'm not following Ryan Long.

01:36:05.000 Give us a joke.

01:36:05.000 He's crazy good.

01:36:06.000 Lauren, right now, give us a joke. 1.00

01:36:08.000 Come on.

01:36:08.000 No, I refuse.

01:36:09.000 You guys have to wait.

01:36:10.000 Here's one thing I promise you.

01:36:11.000 We're not going to put in our windows BLM signs, Antifa signs, or please-do-not-hurt-us signs.

01:36:17.000 We're going to put Molon Labe, the Gadsden flag, the American flag, etc.

01:36:21.000 Let's read some more.

01:36:23.000 Drive-by commenter says, Hi everyone and Vivek.

01:36:26.000 From y'all's experience, is there any way for Americans to resist the adoption of social credit through CDBCs?

01:36:33.000 What is that?

01:36:33.000 CBDCs is what he was talking about.

01:36:35.000 Central Bank Digital Currency.

01:36:37.000 Yes, so central bank digital currencies, I think, are going to be gaining a lot of popularity as a response to what happened with FTX.

01:36:49.000 I think they're going to use the fall of FTX to say that cryptocurrency is not where it's at.

01:36:53.000 If you want to go digital, do it through the central bank.

01:36:56.000 Now, the irony is that the number one justification for central bank digital currency, so this is thinking about the equivalent of a digital dollar, is that China's already doing it with the digital yuan.

01:37:08.000 And so the way the economic argument goes in the United States is that the dollar is going to be less strong relative to the yuan.

01:37:16.000 If we don't keep up with the Joneses, if we don't keep up with China, and China's doing it because this is a great way of effectuating centralized control over your population. 0.89

01:37:25.000 If you can literally go in and tie somebody's actual net worth to their social credit score, then the way in which their behaviors align or don't align with the government can literally correspond to the number of digital points in their bank account, which is today the green piece of paper in your wallet.

01:37:42.000 So that's why China's doing it.

01:37:43.000 My view is I think that the keeping up with the Joneses argument is completely backwards because let's say every other major nation does go the direction of China.

01:37:53.000 I actually think that will make the dollar relatively more valuable and distinctive to be the currency that does not actually subject itself to the same debasement and co-option By actually becoming a vehicle for exercising governmental control.

01:38:06.000 So this whole strong dollar in order for the dollar to remain strong, it must actually keep up with what the Yuan is doing, is actually backwards.

01:38:14.000 The fact that China's doing it creates an opportunity for distinctiveness for the dollar to remain the actual last reserve currency of the world, if we don't subject ourselves to that same downward spiral.

01:38:23.000 So his question was, how do we actually do it?

01:38:25.000 I think this is an electoral, democratic accountability issue.

01:38:29.000 It's going to take an uprising of everyday citizens to stand up and say, no, we're not doing that.

01:38:34.000 Thank you very much.

01:38:35.000 No, thank you.

01:38:36.000 We're not going that direction.

01:38:37.000 I mean, we already see the end result of this happening in places like Canada, where they were freezing bank accounts.

01:38:41.000 And even if the U.S.

01:38:42.000 doesn't have this, I guess, at a systemic level, I mean, if you look at what PayPal recently tried to do through, I mean, fining people up to $2,500 for posting misinformation.

01:38:50.000 That's still there.

01:38:51.000 The policy is still there.

01:38:52.000 Yeah, they snuck it back in, right?

01:38:53.000 They put it back.

01:38:54.000 They said it was always a mistake.

01:38:56.000 They said it was a mistake.

01:38:57.000 So the first response was to say that, no, no, no, that was just an error.

01:39:02.000 Yet it was coincidentally an error that they purposefully reinstated a matter of days later.

01:39:07.000 It's a curious fact.

01:39:09.000 I think everyone got the story wrong.

01:39:11.000 It's been a while since I covered this, but I think they implemented some policy Then there was some language came out that was worse and they said, no, no, that was a mistake.

01:39:20.000 But the other policy, it had been there for a couple of years.

01:39:22.000 The core policy about fining you for spreading misinformation or whatever was still there.

01:39:28.000 So now imagine that's not PayPal doing it, it's just the government doing it.

01:39:32.000 I guess the point is, is it any better if it just happens to be PayPal, but also all of your different banks?

01:39:37.000 We see people like Laura Loomer, like Nick Fuentes.

01:39:39.000 They essentially can't bank now. I think Nick Fuentes posted on his telegram he's gotten kicked out of his fifth

01:39:44.000 I mean, obviously it's not as bad as the federal government doing it, but we have some level of this already in the

01:39:44.000 bank.

01:39:49.000 United States.

01:39:50.000 Well, the federal government actually confiscated a half a million dollars from him and still has not given it back.

01:39:55.000 That's crazy, man.

01:39:56.000 All right. Let's read this from Raymond G Stanley Jr.

01:39:59.000 He says, Tim, to be honest, I've missed it.

01:40:01.000 Blissful ignorance, but I'll never go back.

01:40:03.000 I'll never stop now.

01:40:04.000 You keep being a voice for our movement and will do our darndest to support and fight to save our nation.

01:40:09.000 Well, I appreciate all of your support.

01:40:09.000 Amen.

01:40:11.000 He's making reference to something I said earlier.

01:40:13.000 I said, the idea that ignorance is bliss is not true.

01:40:18.000 Because today you can see that in people's ignorance, they're left confused, wondering why it is they're losing purchasing power, why their homes are being foreclosed, why there's war and escalation.

01:40:28.000 Ignorance is actually making people quite the opposite of blissful at this point.

01:40:31.000 Knowledge is empowerment.

01:40:34.000 Yeah, it is.

01:40:34.000 Yep.

01:40:35.000 Give it to people, man.

01:40:35.000 And you know what?

01:40:37.000 Maybe knowing the truth might suck in a certain sense, being pulled out of the Matrix.

01:40:41.000 You know when, what's his name, Cypher was eating that steak and he says, I don't care what it is, it just tastes good.

01:40:46.000 Yeah.

01:40:47.000 But the thing about the Matrix was that you were safe in your little pod and you were warm.

01:40:51.000 The reality is that's not the case.

01:40:52.000 You stay in the pod, you lose your house, you lose your job, you end up homeless and hungry and confused as to why it happened.

01:40:58.000 So we gotta wake people up.

01:41:00.000 We gotta tell people to be responsible.

01:41:02.000 All right, let's read this.

01:41:04.000 John Doherty says, had to search the show tonight.

01:41:07.000 No notification.

01:41:08.000 You pissed them off again, Tim and crew.

01:41:09.000 Congratulations.

01:41:10.000 Keep up the great work.

01:41:11.000 Thank you so much for what you do.

01:41:12.000 Thank you for the super chat.

01:41:14.000 Yeah, I actually believe they probably tried to suppress this show.

01:41:18.000 Did you put Hunter Biden laptop in the title?

01:41:21.000 Oh yeah, yeah, of course.

01:41:23.000 But Hunter Biden censorship.

01:41:25.000 I think so many people share the show and come to the show that they keep trying to suppress it.

01:41:30.000 It just doesn't work.

01:41:31.000 Because we've got people who share it.

01:41:34.000 That weight is hard to counter.

01:41:36.000 Jonathan E says in October, the Post Millennial reported about a man joining a sorority at UW-Wyoming.

01:41:42.000 Recently, a Laramie resident got suspended for tabling at UW for a sign saying the man is male.

01:41:49.000 Now Wyoming state government is threatening to cut UW funding.

01:41:52.000 Free Todd Schmidt.

01:41:53.000 Wait, are you saying that Wyoming is going woke?

01:41:55.000 Is that what they're doing?

01:41:56.000 Is that what the story is?

01:41:58.000 I mean, it sounds like it from that description.

01:42:00.000 I heard about the first part.

01:42:01.000 I haven't heard about the sign.

01:42:02.000 Oh, man.

01:42:04.000 Well, you know what they say, get woke, go broke.

01:42:06.000 But as much as people like to think that means the industries will eventually learn their lesson, what's happening is the country is just getting woke and going broke.

01:42:13.000 So hopefully we, you know, yeah.

01:42:16.000 Doug Phelps says the FBI is working just as J. Edgar Hoover designed and used it.

01:42:21.000 They removed Hoover, but his organization is still in place.

01:42:24.000 So it was like a zombie, zombie chicken with his head cut off? 0.75

01:42:29.000 The beast lives on.

01:42:30.000 And that's the point.

01:42:32.000 Liberals need to wake up to this too. 1.00

01:42:34.000 It's not about one side or the other.

01:42:36.000 It's about the beast that actually outlasts both of them.

01:42:39.000 So I think he's dead right.

01:42:41.000 And I think that that framing is useful because it can awaken a level of political consensus amongst the citizenry of this country to take this issue off the axis of partisanship.

01:42:52.000 So, thanks to whoever said that, because I think that'll actually bring about 10, 15, 20% more people along on this than if we just made this about the Hunter Biden story.

01:42:59.000 And they need to realize the iron fist that they're propping up is going to backhand them very soon.

01:43:04.000 Look up Cohen Tell Probe, look at the activities of what the FBI was doing to JFK, to MLK, and be prepared to be surprised and shocked.

01:43:12.000 Doc Holliday says, Luke is suffering from severe TDS.

01:43:17.000 That's your opinion.

01:43:18.000 I just like to call the facts out.

01:43:21.000 I don't think I said anything that was incorrect.

01:43:23.000 Kyle Kalinske called you a Trump supporter. 0.97

01:43:25.000 I know, which is absolutely ridiculous. 0.86

01:43:27.000 Bill O'Reilly called me, again, a jihad-loving liberal. 0.66

01:43:34.000 Have I said anything that was incorrect?

01:43:35.000 If so, let me know.

01:43:36.000 I would love to correct my record.

01:43:37.000 I think we're far from derangement.

01:43:38.000 But I think it's also important to know that he did some good things, he did some bad things, but we need to call it out and we need to keep people in check no matter who they are.

01:43:46.000 Even if you like them or don't like them, I don't care.

01:43:48.000 You have power.

01:43:49.000 It deserves to be checked and held responsibly.

01:43:52.000 Alright, SleepIsTheCousinOfDeath says, The way Donald tried to appease the media.

01:43:57.000 Is our WeSeeYou appeasing YouTube?

01:44:01.000 Well, I guess?

01:44:03.000 I suppose?

01:44:04.000 I don't see Trump necessarily the same way.

01:44:07.000 Trump knew people were going to lie about him and chose to do interviews with him anyway.

01:44:10.000 We kind of use YouTube because we want to stay on the main centralized platform where most young people are.

01:44:16.000 It's the most prominent social media platform used among Gen Z, and it is the second biggest search engine in the world.

01:44:22.000 So it's a double-edged sword, I suppose.

01:44:24.000 Yeah, we face two bad choices.

01:44:25.000 You know, you change the game in the long run, but you'll make the choice you have to make in the meantime.

01:44:30.000 But this is why we have TimCast.com, and why we have the members-only uncensored portion, so that we can be on YouTube, tell people, go to the website, learn more.

01:44:41.000 And, uh, sort of the best way we can do it for now.

01:44:44.000 Or we can stop!

01:44:45.000 I'd rather not do that.

01:44:46.000 We'll keep going.

01:44:48.000 Let's read some more.

01:44:50.000 Alright.

01:44:51.000 Sorta says, great to see Tim Pool and Lauren Chen in the same podcast.

01:44:54.000 Love you too, Luke.

01:44:55.000 Appreciate it.

01:44:55.000 Very cool.

01:44:56.000 Thank you.

01:44:58.000 Alright, let's jump down. 0.95

01:45:00.000 Okay, so because I read that one about Luke having TDS, I'll also read this one for him.

01:45:04.000 Federale says, Luke is the goat.

01:45:04.000 S.A.

01:45:06.000 There you go.

01:45:08.000 Nice.

01:45:11.000 Valdemar Perez Jr.

01:45:12.000 says, Tim, the clip you are talking about was Dan Pina on London Real.

01:45:17.000 Or is it Dan Pignac?

01:45:18.000 I don't know.

01:45:19.000 But yeah, it's a viral video where he's like, they're buying Miami Beachfront property.

01:45:22.000 And none of these, none of the prospectus will say this is going to be underwater in 40 years.

01:45:26.000 Because they don't believe it.

01:45:29.000 Damien Masters says, FBI literally working under Trump to tilt the election in his competitor's favor. 0.72

01:45:34.000 Crazy.

01:45:35.000 At the very least, to protect the Biden family.

01:45:38.000 And while he was running for office, and there was evidence of corruption and malfeasance.

01:45:44.000 I mean, it's more than just Trump's competitor.

01:45:46.000 It is a guy who, by all accounts, if you look at this laptop, was committing some crimes or illicit business dealings, to say the least.

01:45:54.000 So even if he wasn't running, it was still like, as a private citizen.

01:45:59.000 Josh OhMyGosh says my friend has family in Ukraine and he tells me peace talks won't happen because Putin was attacking Ukraine while the talks were happening.

01:46:08.000 How do we know one way or another?

01:46:09.000 You know anything about it, Luke?

01:46:13.000 No, from that particular point, no.

01:46:15.000 But we know for certain that at one point Zelensky was willing to have those talks.

01:46:20.000 I heard that story.

01:46:21.000 The bridge came at the time.

01:46:22.000 There was a date.

01:46:22.000 Putin and Zelensky were supposed to sit down together, and they already made a partial deal that they agreed to.

01:46:29.000 The deal made sense.

01:46:30.000 Both parties lost out.

01:46:31.000 Obviously, with negotiations, no one's going to get their perfect deals.

01:46:34.000 There's concessions.

01:46:35.000 And even Henry Kissinger, the war criminal, the butcher of Cambodia, is coming out and saying, hey, yeah, we need a peace deal here, and his peace deal is Ukraine possibly conceding some land here.

01:46:35.000 There's compromise.

01:46:47.000 So this is Henry Kissinger saying this, and if the war criminal Henry Kissinger is saying, hey, we need a peace deal, that's when you know we've gone too far. 0.96

01:46:55.000 Alright, Josh M says, Elon says he is stepping down as soon as he finds someone foolish enough to take the job.

01:47:00.000 I think Jack Dorsey is the best possible option.

01:47:03.000 Now that it's under private ownership, I believe in second chances.

01:47:06.000 Seconded.

01:47:07.000 Okay, so not Jack Dorsey is trying to essentially give himself a makeover as if our collective memory is that of a goldfish.

01:47:07.000 No, no.

01:47:14.000 Okay, he's trying to make it seem like now he's pro-free speech.

01:47:17.000 Either he's lying and he was on board with all the censorship and the backhanded deals with the federal government the whole time, or he was too incompetent to know about it.

01:47:17.000 There are two options.

01:47:25.000 In either case, he is not the man for the job.

01:47:28.000 Agreed.

01:47:28.000 What do you think?

01:47:29.000 I think he was removed from the situation.

01:47:32.000 I mean, he was meditating in Myanmar and in French Polynesia.

01:47:36.000 Which to be fair, if I had billions, I would be doing as well.

01:47:39.000 So the reality is it's just this managerial class again.

01:47:41.000 It's the same way you think the people who you elect to run the government don't run the government.

01:47:44.000 We talked about that earlier.

01:47:45.000 The same thing is true for most large companies.

01:47:47.000 The people who you think are appointed in the role of CEO don't really run that company.

01:47:52.000 And it was the managerial class at Twitter that ran the show.

01:47:55.000 It's like the deep state in the federal government.

01:47:56.000 It's deep corporate in corporate America.

01:47:58.000 And so, you know, I actually...

01:48:01.000 I'm a little bit, I have a little bit of a softer corner for Jack Dorsey amongst the Twitter critics, which I'm, of the old Twitter critics, which I'm definitely squarely in the camp of, is criticizing the assault on free speech culture.

01:48:13.000 I actually think this was a founder whose initial vision was actually to, as Twitter's stated mission was, to break down barriers on the internet.

01:48:23.000 I think that's actually part of what he was motivated by.

01:48:26.000 Eventually the managerial class around him just started to ossify around this other consensus.

01:48:31.000 The guy checks out and says, I'm going to crypto world and I'm going to Myanmar.

01:48:37.000 But I think that that's a different basis for disqualification rather than the fact that he was actually a pro-censorship dude, which I think misses the essence of what's actually going on.

01:48:47.000 Marie Gray says, please read this super chat.

01:48:47.000 All right.

01:48:50.000 Canada is getting ready to vote on a bill that will allow the state to euthanize children who want to be euthanized without their parents' knowledge or consent.

01:48:58.000 The medical assisted dying.

01:48:59.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:49:00.000 And there are stats going around that say potentially medically assisted suicide is now one of the top five leading causes of death in Canada.

01:49:07.000 They're talking about killing the mentally.

01:49:09.000 There was this one really I wish I could take credit for it but it says essentially kill yourself is both a term that can get you kicked off Twitter or is healthcare advice from the Canadian government.

01:49:21.000 Eric says, Vivek, how do I get my 401k money to strive from my 401k, which is hosted at Fidelity?

01:49:28.000 Well, thank you, man.

01:49:29.000 I appreciate that.

01:49:29.000 I think one of the, my main question is, my main suggestion is educate yourself and make sure your 401k plan administrators themselves educate themselves.

01:49:40.000 Because right now, most wealth managers, most 401k account plan administrators, most pension fund boards, most pension fund investment staff have no idea about the things I was even talking about here.

01:49:51.000 So this has to be a bottom-up revolution where it takes a lot in order to get on a 401k platform.

01:49:58.000 I don't think most of our money, a very tiny portion of it, comes from 401ks because once

01:50:03.000 you're a new player, it takes a huge process to get added onto those platforms. So what I would say is

01:50:07.000 show up, ask that plan administrator, the HR representative at work, get in touch with them,

01:50:12.000 and just ask them a simple question.

01:50:15.000 Was your money used to advance a, just give two examples, racial equity audit at Apple, or was it used to vote in favor of the 2021 scope three emissions proposal at Chevron?

01:50:28.000 Those are very two answerable questions.

01:50:30.000 Get that answer.

01:50:31.000 Tell all of your colleagues.

01:50:32.000 Then I think that forces them to actually create an alternative.

01:50:36.000 And I hope there are many other alternatives.

01:50:37.000 I hope it's not just Strive.

01:50:38.000 I hope there are many other alternatives eventually that people can choose from.

01:50:42.000 That's the answer.

01:50:42.000 In the meantime, most of the, I believe most of the people who have actually helped get Strive off the ground, you know, actually have just come from their own brokerage accounts, not necessarily from 401k plans or pension plans.

01:50:53.000 I hope that changes next year.

01:50:54.000 Am I the only one, in light of all of the trends agenda, the climate agenda, that when I hear about something like a simple racial affirmative action process, I'm like, oh, how quaint. 0.83

01:51:04.000 The good old days, right?

01:51:05.000 I'm a classicist.

01:51:07.000 I still cringe equally.

01:51:09.000 Yeah, it's still bad, but it's like, oh, at least no one's trying to shove drag queens down five-year-olds.

01:51:16.000 It's the sacrificing of merit that I think bothers me the most.

01:51:19.000 I agree.

01:51:20.000 I agree.

01:51:21.000 Kevin Brady says, Tim, it's important to remember that DARPA's life log was squashed the same day that Facebook launched.

01:51:27.000 They serve the same purpose.

01:51:29.000 Look at what life log was.

01:51:31.000 I'm looking at you, Luke.

01:51:32.000 What is it?

01:51:33.000 Off the top of my head, I don't remember it, but I do know there's a big connection between DARPA and a lot of these big tech companies.

01:51:39.000 But I'm going to have to look that up.

01:51:41.000 I don't like talking about stuff that I don't have the notes on.

01:51:43.000 Yeah, I think, and I could be wrong, is that it was an attempt to track people's lives, create a record of their lives, something to that effect.

01:51:49.000 That's why it's called LifeLog.

01:51:50.000 That seems fairly obvious.

01:51:52.000 And then Facebook, someone's sitting there and he's like, why are we spending all this money to try and track people?

01:51:57.000 Let's get them to track themselves.

01:51:59.000 They'll write everything about themselves wherever they want, you know what I mean?

01:52:02.000 And then there you go.

01:52:03.000 It's genius if you really think about it.

01:52:04.000 It's like bagging the groceries at the end of the line, you know?

01:52:06.000 Just let the customer do the final piece.

01:52:08.000 We're not going to hire anybody anymore.

01:52:08.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:52:10.000 I remember when they had a cashier and a bagger and now it's just the cashier and then you got to put the stuff there and then you go around.

01:52:15.000 So they figured it out.

01:52:15.000 That's right.

01:52:16.000 Now they got self-checkout.

01:52:17.000 Just make you do the work.

01:52:17.000 Yeah.

01:52:18.000 We'll keep the money.

01:52:19.000 No, it's just one person watching people.

01:52:21.000 That's it.

01:52:22.000 That's all it was.

01:52:23.000 As long as you allow them to post it, they're going to do it for you.

01:52:24.000 Exactly.

01:52:25.000 It's a perfect end around.

01:52:28.000 AmericanWhiteGuy says, Tim, what if they realized that the dollar will mean nothing and pushing this woke agenda is being done to cause decisiveness?

01:52:37.000 To push us to civil war over insanely different realities?

01:52:40.000 Maybe divisiveness?

01:52:43.000 Yeah.

01:52:44.000 We were talking about this, how Luke mentioned that they want to divide and conquer.

01:52:44.000 Quite possibly.

01:52:49.000 And the division now is among those who want division and those who don't, who are divided against those who want division.

01:52:54.000 It's the weirdest thing.

01:52:55.000 The woke people want racial segregation and gender segregation. 0.99

01:52:58.000 Then you have the meritocrats who are just like, just be a good person and be good at what you do.

01:53:02.000 But there's a divide between the two.

01:53:04.000 It's just the weirdest thing.

01:53:05.000 And then you have the wonderful Michael Mausses of the world that are pushing the national divorce, who say, I have nothing to do with you.

01:53:10.000 And this guy.

01:53:10.000 I've been talking about it for a very long time, because, you know, if you want to reduce harm, that could be one potential way of doing it.

01:53:16.000 I don't think we're there yet.

01:53:17.000 It could also lead to a lot of harm as well.

01:53:19.000 Yeah, and I also don't think we're nearly there yet.

01:53:23.000 I think even the people who are hungering for that division, and this is maybe a charitable interpretation of it, but I think there's a lot of it that's true. 1.00

01:53:30.000 It may even come for many of them from a good place where they are, as I said earlier, so hungry for the sense of purpose that's unfulfilled, especially why you see it amongst people more under the age of 40 when it comes to wokeism, is that we want to address that division, fill that hunger with something else rather than telling them they go to Ben & Jerry's and order a cup of ice cream with some social justice sprinkles on top.

01:53:53.000 They don't fill that moral hunger with fast food, okay?

01:53:57.000 If we can fill that hunger with something else, I think that's gonna be much better than taking even seriously the idea that this was what they even wanted.

01:54:06.000 Just because it's like a baby.

01:54:09.000 You had a baby recently.

01:54:09.000 I have a two-year-old.

01:54:10.000 I had a baby earlier this year, too.

01:54:11.000 It's like when they're hungry for real food, you give them a pacifier.

01:54:15.000 They stop crying because they think they're not hungry anymore.

01:54:18.000 Well, they're really just hungering for real food, and I think we gotta see them As crying for what they're really crying out for, which is something of real purpose and meaning and substance to satisfy that vacuum.

01:54:30.000 And I think that's going to get us there sooner than talking about some sort of bifurcation or national divorce.

01:54:35.000 I know.

01:54:35.000 I'm very, very optimistic.

01:54:35.000 Wexit.

01:54:37.000 I've already thought about it.

01:54:38.000 If Alberta does separate, I would gladly trade in my Canadian citizenship for, I don't know, like Western Canada or whatever it may be.

01:54:44.000 Are they seriously talking about that?

01:54:46.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:54:46.000 It's gaining momentum.

01:54:47.000 I'm a huge supporter of it.

01:54:49.000 And I think what really pushed a lot of people over the edge, I was always for it, was the COVID policies and the breakdown.

01:54:54.000 I think a lot of people, you know, I don't think you're wrong about what got so many people there where they're willing to do something like support those extreme policies.

01:55:03.000 But I think for people like myself, it's just like, all right, you know, hopefully somehow we can de-radicalize a lot of the authoritarianism that's creeping into our society.

01:55:13.000 But until then, I am putting myself in a position where my neighbors want to remove me from public life.

01:55:19.000 It's a tough one.

01:55:20.000 I don't think America is here yet as much as places like Canada.

01:55:23.000 But it's dangerous because people are being radicalized.

01:55:26.000 The key factors for people being radicalized is poverty, intelligence, and lack of relationships.

01:55:32.000 Modern men have all of that right now.

01:55:35.000 And it's only going to be increasing from here.

01:55:37.000 More people are going to be radicalized.

01:55:38.000 We're going to be living in a more dangerous society.

01:55:40.000 And I think what Luke is saying about peaceful divorce is because...

01:55:44.000 You could make the argument that we're in a fifth-generational warfare.

01:55:47.000 We are?

01:55:48.000 The culture.

01:55:48.000 A fifth-generational civil war.

01:55:49.000 We're in fifth-generational warfare.

01:55:51.000 You see what I mean by that?

01:55:52.000 Yeah.

01:55:52.000 Fifth-generational.

01:55:54.000 Yeah, this is psychological operations manipulation, essentially.

01:55:57.000 False flags.

01:55:58.000 I mean, the stuff you see with hoax hate crimes, fake news in the media.

01:56:02.000 It's an attempt to gain control of a population without using force, by just getting them to acquiesce to your way of life.

01:56:10.000 So, we live in a constitutional republic, But now we have a constitutional republic in the same space as a multicultural democracy and those two forces are fighting each other.

01:56:22.000 That may eventually, you know, foment a peaceful divorce or a violent one or something like that.

01:56:27.000 I'm going to propose something that I'm going to caveat this by saying I'm not yet there yet, okay, in terms of being in favor of this.

01:56:34.000 But you just drew a distinction that actually, you know, a really important point.

01:56:37.000 We live in a constitutional republic.

01:56:40.000 Not quite a democracy.

01:56:41.000 That was actually part of the vision of what set this nation into motion in the first places.

01:56:46.000 Direct democracy, especially diverse direct democracy, does not work.

01:56:49.000 Now, before, the basic principle behind this idea was you have to have skin in the game in order to play in that game, including as a citizen, it used to be as a landowner.

01:56:57.000 That era has passed.

01:56:58.000 I mean, for now, maybe bring it back?

01:57:01.000 So here's where I'm going with it.

01:57:03.000 Okay, let's not bring the landowner thing back.

01:57:07.000 What about civic service?

01:57:09.000 Guaranteed citizenship.

01:57:13.000 And also as a condition for all of the privileges of citizenship.

01:57:16.000 I think that would solve a lot of the problems.

01:57:18.000 So you've got these privileges and immunities of citizenship in the 14th Amendment.

01:57:18.000 I think it goes a long way.

01:57:23.000 In this proposal, the immunities everyone gets, that is the government can't knock on your door, search your house without a warrant, can't muzzle you from speaking, those are the immunities.

01:57:31.000 But the privileges, tax deductions all the way up to and including voting, you only get if you serve that nation in common cause.

01:57:41.000 Black, white, Red, blue, gay, straight, doesn't matter. 0.58

01:57:45.000 If you want to vote, that's your skin in the game.

01:57:47.000 You serve the country.

01:57:48.000 That satisfies that national purpose, the Americanism, that satisfies that hunger for purpose and meaning.

01:57:53.000 If you don't want to vote, you don't have to vote.

01:57:55.000 But if you want to vote, earn it.

01:57:57.000 You guys are into it.

01:57:58.000 I thought you were all going to vote.

01:58:00.000 Starship Troopers, man.

01:58:01.000 Service guarantees.

01:58:02.000 Not just military, but it could also be any type of public service.

01:58:06.000 I support that.

01:58:07.000 Capital C citizenship.

01:58:08.000 Lowercase c citizenship, you still get all the benefits and privileges and protections. 0.91

01:58:12.000 Right, it's not a surf class.

01:58:13.000 Of the immunities.

01:58:13.000 Civilians and citizens.

01:58:14.000 Civilians and citizens.

01:58:16.000 Capital C citizens.

01:58:17.000 That was Starship Troopers.

01:58:18.000 You know, service could include, you know, having squads of people going around to make sure that everyone, you know, bends the knee to Black Lives Matter. 0.95

01:58:25.000 Making sure that we have... Putting up political slogans all over, you know, the country.

01:58:30.000 So you can't define it too squishy.

01:58:31.000 That could be public service.

01:58:32.000 I agree.

01:58:32.000 That's my main problem with that, actually.

01:58:33.000 You can't define it too squishily.

01:58:35.000 I see the government abusing that power, essentially, in so many different ways.

01:58:38.000 But we could talk about it in an after show, too.

01:58:40.000 Let's do that.

01:58:40.000 Because this is a great discussion.

01:58:42.000 Then let me do just one last super chat before we bounce from Steve Robertson.

01:58:45.000 Luke, did we land on the moon?

01:58:47.000 Why or why not?

01:58:49.000 I don't know.

01:58:49.000 I don't have all the answers here.

01:58:50.000 All right.

01:58:51.000 I'm skeptical.

01:58:51.000 Where's Alex Stein?

01:58:53.000 My original thought is, you know, there's a lot of bull crap out there and my, you know, I didn't know. 0.98

01:58:59.000 He's saying no. 0.99

01:59:00.000 I didn't do much research into it, but my gut instinct is they probably lied.

01:59:03.000 Let's talk about service-guaranteeing citizenship in the members-only section.

01:59:07.000 I actually have some philosophical questions for you as well about when the government should intervene in medical care for kids.

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01:59:33.000 Vivek, do you want to shout anything out?

01:59:35.000 Thanks, guys.

01:59:36.000 Good conversation.

01:59:36.000 I mean, I think, you know, market solutions, not all government solutions.

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01:59:45.000 That's the path forward.

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02:00:12.000 This was great.

02:00:13.000 I thought this conversation went really deep, and thank you guys for doing that.

02:00:17.000 It was really, really a great conversation.

02:00:19.000 My website is LukeUncensored.com.

02:00:21.000 I did a video there for my members about gut health and diet.

02:00:25.000 I also talked about a lot of nuance issues that I think are very important for people to find out since We're being poisoned in many different ways.

02:00:33.000 Oh, we should have talked about seed oils.

02:00:34.000 Oh my goodness, don't get me started.

02:00:35.000 We'll talk about seed oils and the members only.

02:00:37.000 LucanSensor.com, my website.

02:00:38.000 I'm going to be there for that conversation.

02:00:40.000 And I think someone also has a book here that hasn't promoted it yet.

02:00:43.000 Well, I want everyone to read the book if they haven't read it already.

02:00:46.000 Woke Inc.

02:00:46.000 was my first one.

02:00:47.000 Came out last August.

02:00:50.000 And this September just came out the sequel to Woke Inc., which is Nation of Victims.

02:00:54.000 So check it out.

02:00:55.000 Let me know what you think.

02:00:56.000 And I want to give a special thanks to Charlie Kirk, because we're in his studio.

02:01:01.000 Drinking his water.

02:01:02.000 Thank you, Charlie.

02:01:03.000 And metal.

02:01:04.000 It's in metal, you know.

02:01:05.000 It's probably lined with plastic.

02:01:06.000 Well, he's a healthy guy.

02:01:08.000 So, you know, as we're out here, TPUSA has helped us out following AmFest to be able to keep doing the show.

02:01:14.000 And we're grateful.

02:01:15.000 So thank you all so much.

02:01:17.000 And we will see you all over at TimCast.com.

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