Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - FBI Issues Warrant For Info Wars Reporter Owen Shroyer w-Dave Smith & Mises Founder

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:20.000 you InfoWars reporter Owen Schroer just announced that the FBI

00:00:45.000 has issued a warrant for his arrest because apparently he was standing

00:00:49.000 on the steps during the January 6 riots.

00:00:52.000 This is interesting.

00:00:52.000 BuzzFeed has a report on it and apparently someone tipped off the feds and now he's got to turn himself in on Monday.

00:00:58.000 So we'll go through that story.

00:01:00.000 And at the same time, we have a report from the FBI basically debunking the whole insurrection narrative.

00:01:04.000 They said none of it was planned, no coordination, Trump did not coordinate or plan it, yet we still see what I think it's like 570 people have been arrested and charged.

00:01:12.000 The charges are pretty intense, but we'll go through all that stuff with that story, and then we've got to talk about these vaccine mandates.

00:01:18.000 In Australia, they have imprisoned a man for eight months because he was organizing a protest.

00:01:24.000 It's draconian.

00:01:25.000 And it's here.

00:01:26.000 And then we got New York.

00:01:28.000 And what New York is doing is shocking.

00:01:31.000 The New York mandate, for those of you that have listened to this show for the past week, it's going to require businesses to fire any employee with a disability, barring them from vaccination.

00:01:41.000 This is a shockingly draconian measure.

00:01:44.000 So we're gonna, we'll talk about all that.

00:01:46.000 We're being joined by the Mises guys. 1.00

00:01:48.000 Got Dave, well do you guys want to just introduce yourselves?

00:01:50.000 I'll just throw it to you guys.

00:01:51.000 Sure, absolutely.

00:01:52.000 I'm Dave Smith and this is the chair and founder of the Mises Caucus, the great Michael Heiss.

00:01:59.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:00.000 And I have to give a shout-out.

00:02:01.000 I know he's not here, obviously, but I gotta give a shout-out today.

00:02:04.000 It's actually Ron Paul's 86th birthday.

00:02:06.000 Happy birthday, Ron!

00:02:08.000 We're big fans.

00:02:08.000 We have his picture still taped to the door, I think, don't we?

00:02:11.000 I think so, yeah.

00:02:11.000 I believe so.

00:02:12.000 So we, when it was Christmas, Luke came here and he put Ron Paul on the top of our tree because he's both a star and an angel.

00:02:18.000 That's what it looks like.

00:02:20.000 And then with the tree down, Luke just taped Ron Paul to like one of the doors in the house.

00:02:25.000 He's been there for almost a year now.

00:02:26.000 Can I tell you, Matt?

00:02:27.000 We're fans, so.

00:02:28.000 Happy birthday to the great Ron Paul.

00:02:29.000 And what I love so much about Ron Paul is just, like, you know, I know you like to share, and it is hilarious and accurate, but that meme of the libertarian ideas and libertarian candidates.

00:02:40.000 But then, even for all the people, like all the right-wingers who, like, will come on this show and other shows and kind of, you know, be like, well, the libertarians get this wrong and they get this wrong.

00:02:49.000 And then you're like, OK, now do Ron Paul.

00:02:51.000 And you're like, oh, yeah, you know what? That guy was right about everything. He was literally,

00:02:57.000 as we're in this country that's on a suicide mission, all the things that are killing the

00:03:01.000 country. Ron Paul was completely right about the wars, the debt, the currency being destroyed,

00:03:07.000 the militarization of the police, the entire war on terrorism. And also, by the way, he was right

00:03:13.000 about covid and the lockdowns and all of that from day one.

00:03:16.000 People were mocking him when he called the whole thing a hoax and just an excuse for government authoritarianism.

00:03:21.000 You mean the lockdowns a hoax?

00:03:22.000 The lockdowns, yes.

00:03:24.000 That the whole COVID regime, this whole justification for all of these draconian measures.

00:03:30.000 To clarify for Draconian YouTube, COVID is serious.

00:03:32.000 You're saying that... COVID is a very nasty virus. 0.99

00:03:35.000 All of the government responses have been horrendous and stupid and done nothing to mitigate the virus. 0.99

00:03:41.000 But just to say that, that is basically what the Mises caucus is about, is that we represent that wing of libertarianism, the Ron Paul, real libertarianism, serious, not defending Dumb woke stuff, not defending silly corporatism and stuff like that. 0.99

00:04:00.000 The real tradition of Mises, Rothbard, and Ron Paul.

00:04:04.000 Did you see Jack Dorsey tweeted Rothbard?

00:04:07.000 I sure did.

00:04:07.000 I sure did, Tim.

00:04:09.000 What was that?

00:04:09.000 I don't know.

00:04:10.000 I think he's just trying to break my brain and confuse me.

00:04:13.000 Anatomy of the State, right?

00:04:14.000 Yeah, that's the pamphlet.

00:04:16.000 Which is, by the way, go read Anatomy of the State if you haven't.

00:04:18.000 It's the most powerful 60-page essay pamphlet you'll ever read in your life.

00:04:23.000 I thought that was hilarious, because all the libertarians were tweeting like a nuke had dropped.

00:04:29.000 Jack Dorsey of Twitter, this woke... He just tweeted it!

00:04:33.000 He just tweeted it!

00:04:34.000 Well, from what I hear, he's gotten real into Bitcoin and stuff, and so maybe he's going down this rabbit hole.

00:04:40.000 So, Jack, if you're listening, thank you for tweeting that, and stop kicking people off your platform.

00:04:46.000 He doesn't own it anymore.

00:04:47.000 That's the problem.

00:04:47.000 He's like 6% or 2% of the company now.

00:04:50.000 So that's when they start figuring out stuff.

00:04:52.000 He's an example of a free market and cap Bitcoin enthusiast technologist that got co-opted by the corporate state because they took it.

00:05:00.000 They took him.

00:05:01.000 They paid a bunch of money.

00:05:01.000 Then they took his company.

00:05:02.000 They bought his company from him.

00:05:03.000 Now they use his face to try and sell the brand.

00:05:06.000 Well, I also wouldn't be surprised.

00:05:08.000 I think they basically, not so implicitly, threatened all of the big tech, you know, guys.

00:05:15.000 And that's, like, the truth is that if you look back at the, you know, social media scene in 2015, 2016, as we all remember, it was the Wild Wild West.

00:05:25.000 And I mean that as a libertarian as the highest compliment.

00:05:27.000 Wild Wild West was the greatest time in the history of the world.

00:05:31.000 And so you remember there were people out there who would just be like even really bad

00:05:34.000 people who you probably wouldn't want to hear from.

00:05:37.000 But they were just out there advocating their views.

00:05:39.000 No one was getting booted off.

00:05:40.000 It was a completely free for all free speech zone.

00:05:43.000 And then what happened was, you know, Donald Trump won and the corporate press needed some

00:05:48.000 narrative as to why this would happen. 0.88

00:05:51.000 It couldn't be because Hillary Clinton was just such a transparently awful person. 1.00

00:05:56.000 It had to be because of fake news on social media.

00:05:59.000 And they dragged him in front of Congress and basically, mafia style, threatened all of them.

00:06:04.000 Like, what are you going to do to crack down on this fake news?

00:06:07.000 They had a huge influence in creating this censorship environment, which is awful.

00:06:12.000 Well, we'll get into all that stuff.

00:06:13.000 And, you know, Ian's chilling.

00:06:14.000 You've already heard from him.

00:06:15.000 You know how it is.

00:06:17.000 Sup dudes.

00:06:17.000 In 2007, I remember Obama and Ron Paul very serious to me.

00:06:22.000 I took both serious, but I was afraid Ron Paul was going to be like Darth Vader.

00:06:25.000 I kept getting this weird feeling like this is Darth.

00:06:28.000 If he gets into office, he's going to be like Darth Vader.

00:06:30.000 And I know what that meant, but it was like he was going to bring great balance to the force.

00:06:35.000 And what did that mean in modern day?

00:06:36.000 He probably would have repealed the Federal Reserve Act.

00:06:38.000 I don't know about that.

00:06:39.000 That would make him Darth Vader.

00:06:40.000 That would completely upset our monetary system. 0.85

00:06:42.000 I'd imagine Darth Vader the one being proposing the central bank for the Galactic Empire.

00:06:47.000 I was afraid of him and I was like, Obama's the hero, I'm going with Obama.

00:06:50.000 Ron Paul makes me afraid. 0.98

00:06:52.000 Probably because he would have ruptured this crap system early rather than let it get to where it's gotten. 0.99

00:06:58.000 I would imagine. 0.99

00:06:59.000 Well, interesting.

00:07:00.000 But I think that's the myth.

00:07:01.000 I mean, the truth is that Obama is really the one.

00:07:04.000 I mean, it's George W. Bush's fault, but Obama bears so much of the blame for ruining the country because Obama was the one who was voted in as a counter to George W. Bush.

00:07:14.000 Like the country rejected George W. Bush.

00:07:16.000 So we went, OK, we're going to go all the way over with this very progressive constitutional lawyer, progressive named Barack Hussein Obama.

00:07:23.000 That's how much we hate George W. Bush.

00:07:25.000 And he doubled down on Bush's policies.

00:07:28.000 Brought the war in Afghanistan and Iraq to Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen.

00:07:34.000 And that really, coupled with the record high spending, is what broke the whole system.

00:07:39.000 So whatever fear you have of Ron Paul, Obama's what left us with all of this.

00:07:43.000 We'll get into all that.

00:07:44.000 We got Lydia pressing buttons. 1.00

00:07:45.000 I'm also sitting in the corner.

00:07:46.000 I can already tell it's going to be a great conversation.

00:07:49.000 I'm delighted as ever to have Dave Smith.

00:07:51.000 I'm going to apologize.

00:07:52.000 I'm coming in hot.

00:07:53.000 It's Ron Hall's birthday.

00:07:54.000 I'm not even letting intros get out here.

00:07:57.000 Calm down.

00:07:58.000 We got this.

00:07:59.000 When Jack tweeted that, I sent it immediately to Dave, and I was like, oh my gosh, look at this.

00:08:03.000 What the heck's going on?

00:08:04.000 Luke tweeted.

00:08:05.000 I was like, what the?

00:08:07.000 It's happening!

00:08:08.000 That is how I saw it, is that you sent it to me and I went, that's got to be like a fake picture or something.

00:08:13.000 Right, he got hacked.

00:08:14.000 I clicked on that and was like, wait, seriously?

00:08:16.000 Yeah, Rothbard.

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00:10:28.000 We've got to get through these intros.

00:10:29.000 Let's talk about this first story real quick.

00:10:31.000 Just because this one was kind of big when it dropped only a couple hours ago.

00:10:35.000 BuzzFeed News reports InfoWars host Owen Schroer has been charged in the January 6th riots.

00:10:42.000 They say, in a new complaint filed on Friday, the U.S.

00:10:44.000 Attorney's Office in Washington charged Schroer with illegally going into a restricted area on the Capitol grounds and disorderly conduct.

00:10:51.000 He's one of the highest-profile right-wing media personalities to be prosecuted in connection with the insurrection so far.

00:10:57.000 I love that BuzzFeed calls it an insurrection, considering the FBI just came out and said it basically wasn't, but sure.

00:11:02.000 They mentioned that he's based in Texas.

00:11:04.000 He had been photographed on a stage outside the Capitol with Alex Jones, and the FBI said it received an anonymous tip from someone noting other video that appeared to show Schreuer at the top of a set of stairs on the east side of the Capitol.

00:11:16.000 Jones has not been charged.

00:11:17.000 So this is what's interesting right now.

00:11:19.000 I mean, It could potentially mean Alex Jones.

00:11:23.000 There's a lot of higher profile people.

00:11:25.000 I bet the FBI was waiting because if they go for the really high profile people, it could be a shock to the system.

00:11:32.000 So it looks like they're starting with Owen Schroer, I suppose, and they may start going for other people.

00:11:35.000 And he didn't take any.

00:11:36.000 He didn't even take any selfies.

00:11:39.000 I don't.

00:11:39.000 Yeah.

00:11:39.000 No selfies.

00:11:40.000 You know, what's the point then, you know?

00:11:42.000 I don't know about you guys, I don't want to live in a society where just anyone can

00:11:45.000 walk up on some steps and not face 30 years in prison.

00:11:48.000 I mean, come on, we gotta clean this up.

00:11:50.000 30?

00:11:51.000 No, I'm just, I hope not.

00:11:52.000 50?

00:11:53.000 Geez.

00:11:54.000 That's a, it is, it really is, it's no joke what the state will do when they want to crack

00:12:01.000 down on someone.

00:12:02.000 Like, you know, I was saying this back when they had that Chaz thing in Seattle, when they were playing this little game. 1.00

00:12:10.000 And they did the little one in New York for a little bit, too.

00:12:12.000 And I was just saying, I was like, listen, you lefties can have your fun building your little thing and then you'll probably abandon it in a few weeks, you know.

00:12:20.000 But don't get it twisted.

00:12:22.000 If the government is letting you do this because it's it suits their agenda right now if they

00:12:27.000 didn't want you to do this they will wake oh you and lose no sleep over it okay so that's

00:12:33.000 what people need to understand and that's I think what a lot of people at January 6th

00:12:37.000 did not understand they thought it's ah this is funny I'll go in here I'll fart on Nancy

00:12:40.000 Pelosi's desk or whatever now the people calling it an insurrection are just this is laughably 1.00

00:12:44.000 stupid a coup attempt laughably stupid but it is also really stupid to go in there and 1.00

00:12:51.000 think haha selfie while i'm farting on nancy pelosi's desk Like, haha, you're going to do 40 years in prison now. 1.00

00:12:57.000 You just went up and slapped in the face the most powerful government in human history.

00:13:02.000 What do you think they do to people?

00:13:04.000 Like, what do you think?

00:13:04.000 They'll do this to everyone in the Middle East, but they won't mess with you?

00:13:07.000 That's why it's important to understand what the nature of government is.

00:13:10.000 Exactly.

00:13:11.000 It's not just some service provider that we change the clothes on and you might get some left wing service providing over here and some right wing service.

00:13:18.000 It's force.

00:13:18.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:13:20.000 Michael's exactly right.

00:13:21.000 They had this mythology of like, well, what?

00:13:23.000 This is the people's house.

00:13:24.000 Like I was saying before.

00:13:25.000 No, it's not.

00:13:26.000 It's the war criminal's house.

00:13:28.000 This house don't belong to you.

00:13:29.000 And this isn't even like a fringe concept.

00:13:31.000 This is George Washington.

00:13:33.000 George Washington said the government was forced.

00:13:34.000 What was I saying earlier?

00:13:37.000 I was saying something like the way they view this country.

00:13:41.000 I was talking about Afghanistan.

00:13:42.000 The way that the establishment views this country is not as a nation on founding principles of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the Bill of Rights.

00:13:50.000 It's this is where we can test weapons and then run our companies to go and extort other countries and invade.

00:13:57.000 And so we as Americans, A lot.

00:14:00.000 And even many, like, traditional Democrats.

00:14:02.000 I don't know about today.

00:14:02.000 It's getting kind of crazy out there.

00:14:04.000 But up on, like, when the Afghan war started, you had Democrats and Republicans who mostly view this country as the history of the Founding Fathers and World War II and civil rights.

00:14:15.000 But the people running these companies, they don't see this country that way.

00:14:18.000 They don't know.

00:14:19.000 They don't care.

00:14:19.000 They're like, this is just our hub for militarism.

00:14:23.000 And then they run their companies here and they go to other places and do their thing.

00:14:27.000 But there's something interesting in that, uh, you know, just downstairs we were talking, I've got these, these Utah gold back things I bought off the internet.

00:14:32.000 Yeah.

00:14:33.000 They're like, it's like a gold foil, you know, one, one thousandth of an ounce.

00:14:38.000 And, uh, one of, one of our friends mentioned that the constitution says that gold and silver are the only currency.

00:14:43.000 Is that, is that true?

00:14:44.000 Yes.

00:14:45.000 And they've never amended that.

00:14:46.000 Yes, and also that states can make legal tender that is gold and silver, but nothing else.

00:14:54.000 But yes, that's right.

00:14:55.000 I'm pretty sure it defines it as an actual measure of a certain amount of grains of gold or silver.

00:15:00.000 Well, I don't know if that's actually in the Constitution, but that was common parlance at the time, was that yes, that's what a dollar meant.

00:15:07.000 But yeah, the Constitution absolutely defines legal tender as gold and silver.

00:15:11.000 And that never changed.

00:15:12.000 Oh yeah, Article 1, Section 10.

00:15:14.000 No state shall coin money, emit bills of credit, make anything but gold and silver a tender in payment of debts.

00:15:21.000 That means that the only constitutionally valid forms of money are gold and silver.

00:15:25.000 Oh, they're debunking it.

00:15:26.000 They're saying it's a myth.

00:15:28.000 Is that a myth?

00:15:30.000 Anything that restrains government is a myth.

00:15:32.000 Yeah, I mean, look, there's certainly I'm sure like with everything in the Constitution, there'll be people who interpret it in different ways.

00:15:39.000 But look, Richard Nixon, when he took us off the gold standard in 71, he said it was a temporary measure.

00:15:45.000 He said he had temporarily closed the convertibility from dollars into gold, which was the ultimate default and violation of a contractual agreement between the world.

00:15:56.000 I mean, we were on we were on an agreement in the Bretton Woods agreement that dollars were Do you want to break down the Bretton Woods Agreement?

00:16:04.000 them that they were notes that you were represented you were holding gold.

00:16:06.000 And just like most temporary government programs it's should end any day now.

00:16:11.000 Do you want to break down the Bretton Woods agreement.

00:16:14.000 What that was. Sure.

00:16:16.000 Well, the Bretton Woods Agreement was coming out of World War II.

00:16:19.000 Basically, all the other industrial powers had been destroyed, and the United States had the vast majority of the gold reserves.

00:16:26.000 And so we basically made a deal with the rest of the nations that if they took our dollars as their reserve currency, then we would back our dollars up by gold at $35 an ounce.

00:16:36.000 And so basically they were on a gold standard, because they were on a dollar standard.

00:16:39.000 And then, in the 60s, we really started cheating.

00:16:43.000 We fought the war in Vietnam.

00:16:44.000 We put a man on the moon.

00:16:45.000 We launched the entitlement state.

00:16:47.000 We were spending like crazy.

00:16:48.000 And they called our bluff.

00:16:50.000 And they said, OK, no, I don't think you have this much gold.

00:16:52.000 We're going to turn in our dollars for gold.

00:16:54.000 And then Nixon said, oh, no, we're suspending the credit convertibility because they called our bluff because we cheated.

00:17:00.000 We were acting like a bank.

00:17:01.000 Yes, exactly.

00:17:02.000 Like the worst type of bank.

00:17:04.000 Like a reckless bank.

00:17:05.000 Didn't actually have the money.

00:17:06.000 And then, you know it's funny, because then we go off the gold standard in 1971 and it's officially fiat currency, even though, like I said, we were cheating already in the 60s, right?

00:17:15.000 But we go off the gold standard in the early 70s.

00:17:17.000 And sometimes even really good progressives, like Bernie Sanders, well, you know.

00:17:22.000 And good progressives will say things where they'll be like, you know, like the average wages have been so stagnant since right about the 70s.

00:17:31.000 And the rich have been getting so much richer since right about the 70s.

00:17:34.000 You know, the cost of everything has gotten out of control since right about the 70s.

00:17:39.000 And you know what happened?

00:17:40.000 Greed! 0.92

00:17:42.000 You know, they never have an answer for what it is.

00:17:44.000 But what happened is that we removed any restraints from the government to print as much money as they want.

00:17:51.000 And this is where you've seen the true rise of gigantic government, endless wars, corporate bailouts, and also Wall Street.

00:17:58.000 Now, Wall Street was not a place where people were making insane amounts of money like this, like, at least on the level since then.

00:18:04.000 That really started in the 80s, the Gordon Gekko generation.

00:18:07.000 This is what happened when you had this funny money that people can just play and speculate with.

00:18:11.000 So let's rope this back to what the government is.

00:18:15.000 So, you know, we're talking about Owen Schroer, January 6, and the potential that the government might go after people.

00:18:20.000 But we also have this story from Reuters.

00:18:23.000 FBI finds scant evidence of U.S.

00:18:25.000 Capitol attack was coordinated.

00:18:27.000 So they basically go through it and they say, nobody.

00:18:30.000 Uh, they say that it was not centrally coordinated by far right groups, prominent supporters of Trump, according to their sources were either directly involved or briefed regularly on the wide ranging investigations.

00:18:41.000 I got a text message from someone running against Lauren Boebert.

00:18:45.000 And what do you think they, they told me they were for as to why I should give them money?

00:18:53.000 I got a text message that said, hey, my name is so-and-so, and this is why you should vote for me.

00:18:57.000 Not like a personal text message, like a mass text message?

00:19:00.000 I mean, it's a campaign text message.

00:19:02.000 Right, right, but I'm saying not like someone knew you on the campaign text that you wrote.

00:19:05.000 Right, right, right.

00:19:05.000 So they got my number from a registry or something.

00:19:08.000 They are running against Lauren Boebert, and what do you think their... They thought to themselves, I have one text message to send this guy.

00:19:14.000 Here's what I need to say to get him to give me money.

00:19:16.000 What do you think that one thing was?

00:19:17.000 I really hope it was getting back on the gold standard, but I know that's not going to be the answer.

00:19:20.000 Stopping Lauren Boebert.

00:19:21.000 Yes.

00:19:23.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene's accomplice, Lauren Boebert, is being charred, is being investigated, and we're going to stop her.

00:19:30.000 And I'm like, you're not for anything.

00:19:33.000 What is this?

00:19:33.000 I was like, you want me to donate because you don't like Lauren Boebert?

00:19:37.000 That's not something to vote for.

00:19:40.000 And so I bring that up because what they've been doing with the media and the Democrats with January 6th is trying to create some reason you'd vote for them.

00:19:48.000 Negative partisanship.

00:19:50.000 They don't really have anything.

00:19:51.000 That's like if there's a flood and everyone's trying to find a leader to help us through this great flood that's destroyed so much land and people are running and they're like, vote for me because I hate floods.

00:20:01.000 Floods are bad.

00:20:01.000 I'm going to stop the floods.

00:20:03.000 It's worse than that.

00:20:03.000 You're like, come on.

00:20:04.000 It's worse than that.

00:20:05.000 Give me some tech.

00:20:07.000 There's a flood and there's a boating company and the guy says, vote for me because that boating guy, it's his fault and I hate him.

00:20:12.000 And you're like, what do you know about the flood?

00:20:14.000 Hey, hey, hey, hey, we're dealing with hating right now.

00:20:16.000 Well, part of it, I think a huge part of it is that what can they really say? 0.93

00:20:22.000 This is why Hillary Clinton's entire campaign against Donald Trump was, look how awful Donald Trump is.

00:20:29.000 Because what else could she say?

00:20:31.000 I mean, could she sit there to the American people and say, well, look, I gave you guys Iraq.

00:20:36.000 I mean, I gave you guys Libya.

00:20:38.000 I gave you guys banker bailouts.

00:20:40.000 I mean, what are you not happy with?

00:20:41.000 Right.

00:20:41.000 So they knew Trump only exists because people were so furious about what they had been given by the Clintons in the bushes and Obama.

00:20:50.000 Right.

00:20:50.000 So they can't.

00:20:51.000 So the only play they have is to tell you that this Like, uprising against the establishment is so ugly and awful.

00:21:00.000 Look, the worst thing ever is January 6th.

00:21:02.000 Not the country being completely sold out by the ruling elite.

00:21:05.000 That's not the problem.

00:21:06.000 The problem is the people furious about it.

00:21:08.000 And, okay, sure, they might be furious about a thing that isn't exactly the right thing to be furious about.

00:21:14.000 Like, I don't know what happened in the election.

00:21:17.000 My base assumption is all elections are fraudulent, but I don't know what happened in the 2020 election.

00:21:22.000 If you just look in general why they got to this level of anger, it wasn't just one election.

00:21:28.000 It was a series of events, you know, that led to this.

00:21:32.000 I think Obama.

00:21:34.000 I remember 2008.

00:21:35.000 I remember seeing all of my friends screaming and foam coming out of their mouths, Obama!

00:21:40.000 I was in Chicago and I went down to Millennium Park or Grand Park, whatever they call it,

00:21:44.000 I don't know, the big park and they had this big screen and Obama's speaking and everyone's 0.76

00:21:48.000 screaming and cheering, there are people everywhere and they were like, Bush was nuts, he wasn't

00:21:52.000 our president, it was a victory through the Supreme Court, we were upset about it, finally

00:21:57.000 all of these wars are gonna end, this was a mistake, we shouldn't have gotten in these

00:22:01.000 wars, it's all over and then Obama goes, go to bomb a Pakistani village and that was like

00:22:06.000 one of the first orders he gave was to bomb, and then I remember seeing that and I was

00:22:08.000 just like oh here we go I guess Yeah.

00:22:12.000 That was like, I don't remember how old I was.

00:22:14.000 I wasn't that old.

00:22:14.000 And I was just kind of like getting whacked in the face.

00:22:16.000 Because I was like, when I was a teenager, I was hanging out with all these punk anarchist types who are like, the system is broken.

00:22:21.000 It can never be fixed.

00:22:22.000 And then I was like, and then I got older and I'm like, hey, look, Obama, you know, he's doing something like this is going to be the chance to, like, have some normalcy.

00:22:28.000 And then he's just like, oh, I'm going to drop some bumps.

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:31.000 And then he did.

00:22:31.000 And then I was like, these people are just all lying.

00:22:33.000 Yeah.

00:22:34.000 He actually doubled down on the worst of the Bush policies.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:37.000 He expanded the war in the Middle East.

00:22:39.000 He expanded it in the Middle East.

00:22:41.000 Expanded not only the wars drastically, and then also expanded the entire national security apparatus, created the spy... You know, we were upset during Bush about, like, warrantless wiretapping, and Obama was like, hold my beer, I'm collecting every piece of metadata on every American citizen.

00:22:59.000 And by every metric, by the spending, the wars, everything, he was worse.

00:23:05.000 The extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens.

00:23:07.000 Yeah.

00:23:08.000 And there was something even more devastating about it coming from the guy who was the reaction to Bush.

00:23:14.000 I mean, this is why, after Obama, you get Trump.

00:23:17.000 Because you have Bush, who everyone rejects.

00:23:19.000 Then the reaction against Bush within the system, everyone rejects too for being on the same page as Bush.

00:23:25.000 And then you're like, well, where do we go from here?

00:23:27.000 And they're telling you your options are Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton.

00:23:30.000 And then they heard the most powerful campaign statement ever. 0.97

00:23:34.000 When Donald Trump was on that debate stage, and it was Megyn Kelly, and she said, you've called women fat pigs, and he went, only Rosie O'Donnell! 0.99

00:23:44.000 And then everybody started cheering and screaming. 0.96

00:23:47.000 And I am joking, but there was something to that.

00:23:50.000 It was very powerful.

00:23:51.000 He had he had several that were very powerful.

00:23:52.000 And the reason why that one was so powerful is because he just went, I'm not playing your game.

00:23:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:00.000 Circumvented the whole thing.

00:24:01.000 That's right.

00:24:01.000 And what's you know, you touched on that politics is about being against the other.

00:24:06.000 What's scary about that is how pervasive it is, because, you know, you look at approval ratings for the media, super low approval ratings for politicians, super low.

00:24:15.000 And then people still keep Putting the incumbents back in.

00:24:18.000 It's like, how do you account for that?

00:24:19.000 How do you break that cycle?

00:24:20.000 Because obviously, the hate for the other is stronger than the disapproval for the status quo.

00:24:25.000 It's like, how do you deal with that?

00:24:26.000 Do you guys see that trans anarchist satanist who won the primary for the Republicans up in New Hampshire?

00:24:33.000 No, and I usually keep up with transatlantic satanists.

00:24:36.000 Arya, I think her name is.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:38.000 And it was a point that people just go in and hit R. They would walk in and go Republican, Republican, I don't care who.

00:24:46.000 And so you've got to know who you're voting for.

00:24:48.000 Don't vote for someone if you don't know who they are.

00:24:50.000 You can vote for the person you do like.

00:24:53.000 You know, we talked about this on the show, getting rid of the party affiliation on ballots, because then people would be like, I don't know.

00:25:00.000 And that's probably random is probably better than Tribal party line or another one they could adopt what we

00:25:06.000 do in the Libertarian Party, which is on every single election

00:25:08.000 There is none of the above is an option. Hmm. That would be nice. So the seat could be vacant

00:25:14.000 Yeah It could be vacant or, um, if there was nobody else running, basically somebody, we nominate X, you know, and you just kind of take it from the floor.

00:25:25.000 I would, I would love to end up with just like President Jimmy, just like some dude in the crowd.

00:25:29.000 Like, yeah, no.

00:25:30.000 And how about this dude?

00:25:31.000 And like, he just gives it a whirl.

00:25:32.000 Well, do you know what Demarchy is?

00:25:35.000 Rule at random.

00:25:37.000 Rule at random.

00:25:38.000 Yeah, so I remember I had an anarchist friend.

00:25:40.000 We were talking a lot about how this would work and like what it would be and the idea would be you'd get like Congress duty.

00:25:45.000 You'd be like, you'd come home from work.

00:25:47.000 You're all tired and you grab the mail and you go inside and you throw it down and then you see like official notice and you're like, oh, what is this?

00:25:51.000 And you open it.

00:25:52.000 It's like, you have been randomly selected for Congress duty.

00:25:54.000 You must report to DC.

00:25:56.000 Here is your stipend.

00:25:57.000 You're like, oh.

00:25:58.000 Honey, I got Congress duty.

00:26:01.000 Honey, can you make dinner tonight?

00:26:03.000 I'm a senator.

00:26:04.000 All right.

00:26:05.000 I'll be home in six years.

00:26:07.000 Well, no, no, but it'll be for like two months.

00:26:09.000 Oh, okay.

00:26:09.000 It'll probably be the same thing like jury duty.

00:26:11.000 They would just go to whoever is controlling them and be like, I'm absolutely a racist.

00:26:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:18.000 Like, you don't want me.

00:26:20.000 It'd be the same as jury duty where you just don't respond and hope that they never enforce that rule.

00:26:24.000 I'm just kidding.

00:26:25.000 I don't do that.

00:26:27.000 Jury duty is different from Congress duty.

00:26:29.000 Congress duty is like you're an American with opinions.

00:26:31.000 Yeah.

00:26:31.000 So, you know, it would be like you're here for six months.

00:26:35.000 You know, here's quick orientation.

00:26:37.000 And the idea is that a random person with a short term who's not going to profit off it doesn't want to be the person walking out and being like, I didn't start the war!

00:26:44.000 It wasn't me!

00:26:44.000 Yeah, I mean, look, it's kind of a fun idea to play with, but I wouldn't really want to be governed that way.

00:26:49.000 How about we just tremendously reduce, if not eliminate, the role of the federal government and let people be free?

00:26:55.000 You don't want to just pick random people who know nothing about politics or governing or anything.

00:26:59.000 What about vacancies?

00:27:02.000 Like, what if you could, on a ballot, it would be like, Jane Doe, John Smith, and no one.

00:27:07.000 Like, elect a vacant seat.

00:27:09.000 And you could be like, I don't want anybody going to D.C.

00:27:11.000 on my name.

00:27:12.000 That I am all for.

00:27:14.000 Then it's just like Congress has just like less people there.

00:27:17.000 I think you could get a populist movement behind that, to be honest.

00:27:19.000 Just no one in Congress.

00:27:20.000 It's not the worst.

00:27:23.000 But the problem then is, you know, the reason it wouldn't work is because other people would be like, now's our chance.

00:27:30.000 And they like Democrats being like, if you do this and the Republicans have a majority, and if there's no one in Congress and the president is unrestrained.

00:27:36.000 So I got to admit, I think the system devised by the Founding Fathers is absolutely brilliant when you look at other countries especially.

00:27:42.000 Three branches doing different kind of things.

00:27:44.000 The problem is there was this conspiracy on Jekyll Island.

00:27:49.000 Federal Reserve emerged and all of a sudden nothing mattered anymore.

00:27:52.000 Well, there's that, but there's also the arguments.

00:27:55.000 People forget that there was a big argument as to whether or not we should even have a constitution.

00:28:00.000 And the anti-federalists, the people who are arguing against the constitution, pretty prescient. 0.89

00:28:05.000 I mean, their arguments, they said that this is going to become a king.

00:28:09.000 And through executive order, that is what has happened.

00:28:12.000 One of the problems, if you study Shays' Rebellion, which was after the Revolutionary War, the foreign powers wanted to get their debt back from the Americans for the war debt, but they wanted hard currency.

00:28:23.000 They wanted metal and gems.

00:28:24.000 They didn't want paper currency.

00:28:25.000 The farmers only made their money by bartering their food.

00:28:28.000 They didn't have anything.

00:28:29.000 So they normally paid their debts by printing paper and sending it off.

00:28:32.000 The merchants that basically controlled the state legislature were like, we need hard currency from these farmers because we need to pay our foreign debts.

00:28:40.000 Farmers were like, we don't have it.

00:28:41.000 So they started putting people in debtor's prison.

00:28:43.000 The farmers basically started going to the courthouses and standing outside with weapons blocking the judges from adjudicating.

00:28:51.000 So they couldn't be thrown in debtors prison, and it caused massive chaos.

00:28:55.000 The state couldn't get its local people to fight to stop it, so they had to send in state troops.

00:29:00.000 And they realized that without a constitution, without a centralized authority on taxes, each state would tax their own people individually and has the potential to cause massive chaos and disruption.

00:29:13.000 So it's better to have one authority controlling all the tax money.

00:29:16.000 Well, I mean, if your concern is debtor's prison, I mean, we still have debtor's prison.

00:29:20.000 It's just the IRS now that's enforcing it.

00:29:23.000 I mean, people do go to jail for not paying their taxes.

00:29:26.000 That is nothing more than a debt.

00:29:27.000 People also go to jail, by the way, for not paying child support.

00:29:30.000 I mean, there still are forms of debtor's prison.

00:29:32.000 I will say, though, I think a lot of people overhype the IRS.

00:29:36.000 Like, the IRS isn't going to lock you up if you owe money.

00:29:38.000 Well, that's true, but they'll ruin you.

00:29:40.000 But, I mean, So I know people who have run afoul of the IRS with their businesses to large sums of money and a guy showed up and said, look, here's what happened with your business.

00:29:52.000 And the guy was like, uh, I'm broke.

00:29:54.000 And they were like, what can you do?

00:29:56.000 And he's like, I mean, my shop's going under, we have no money.

00:29:58.000 And they were like, all right, well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll circle back in a few months, see where you're at.

00:30:02.000 And maybe there's something you can do.

00:30:03.000 It's like the IRS didn't just show up and be like, cuff him boys.

00:30:06.000 Well, no, that's true.

00:30:07.000 I know that there's, yeah, but I also know people whose businesses have been destroyed by the IRS who have gone back 20 years on them.

00:30:14.000 Yeah, I mean, like, it's like, so that's not nothing.

00:30:17.000 I mean, look, destroying someone's business, as we've learned in the lockdowns, that's not a small thing.

00:30:22.000 These are the type of things that break up families, that lead to suicides, that lead to children being scarred.

00:30:27.000 I mean, it's a very serious thing.

00:30:29.000 And you're right, I mean, yes, there's not like a massive amount of people in jail for not paying their taxes, but if we want to really figure out this experiment, we could make all taxes voluntary tomorrow, and then we would really find out how many people pay them because they're scared of the threat of jail time.

00:30:46.000 And how many people pay them?

00:30:48.000 Because they don't!

00:30:49.000 And then we can figure it out.

00:30:51.000 So if it would be zero, then what you're conceding is that the reason people pay it is because they're scared of the threat of jail time.

00:30:58.000 Bro, bro, listen, listen.

00:31:00.000 There's a socialist magazine just fired all its staff because they're trying to form a union.

00:31:05.000 God, I love it.

00:31:06.000 We had the Young Turks.

00:31:07.000 The story came out last year.

00:31:09.000 Cenk Uygur was trying to union bust or whatever, was yelling at people.

00:31:13.000 You've got that Bernie Sanders-supporting woman.

00:31:15.000 Actually, she's right behind you, Nico Lowe.

00:31:16.000 She bought a million-dollar condo.

00:31:18.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:31:20.000 I'm not gonna drag the success of these individuals who are progressive.

00:31:23.000 But at the same time, I'll tell you this.

00:31:25.000 I'd be willing to bet those people would not pay taxes if they were given the choice.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 And they would say something like, well, this is the system we're in and I'm just, you know, living the way it's supposed to be.

00:31:34.000 The fact that they can find a rationalization in their mind to be whatever I saw one of them where he's like wearing his like, you know, like eat the rich shirt or something like that.

00:31:44.000 And then they show his house.

00:31:45.000 Oh, that was Hassan today.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, like, you know, I mean, it's just like, come on, the idea that you can justify that

00:31:50.000 hypocrisy again, like you, I don't hate any of their success.

00:31:53.000 I actually admire it.

00:31:55.000 I don't agree with their politics, but I admire people who succeed in life.

00:31:59.000 And we should all be inspired by that and learn from that.

00:32:02.000 Hassan streams like 10 hours a day.

00:32:04.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 And so he's, I looked at his numbers and I'm like, I think he's probably making three, four mil.

00:32:09.000 I could be wrong, just an estimate.

00:32:10.000 And I got mad respect for that hustle.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, sure.

00:32:13.000 And I also don't mind someone being a progressive and believing in higher taxes and a welfare state and all that stuff and being rich.

00:32:20.000 So, but the funny thing about the Hassan situation, for those unfamiliar, he's like the biggest political streamer on the left probably.

00:32:27.000 He bought a $3 million house.

00:32:28.000 He's getting roasted by socialists.

00:32:31.000 So Breitbart wrote an article and they were like, you know, socialist streamer buys $3 million house.

00:32:37.000 And I'm like, I mean, it's a great story, I guess.

00:32:40.000 I don't see the criticism.

00:32:40.000 I don't know why I'd care.

00:32:42.000 He's not like advocating for people not to have houses or not be rich.

00:32:45.000 He's just very much for heavy taxation.

00:32:47.000 And I'm sure he's paying 50 to 60 percent taxes.

00:32:49.000 But the socialists are pissed off.

00:32:51.000 Are they threatening to eat him?

00:32:52.000 Um, they, they, they, there was a, they're, they're getting their, their bibs on and their

00:32:56.000 forks and they're like, no, no, they, they're defending him saying that like, there's a

00:33:01.000 big difference between Jeff Bezos and Hassan and all that stuff.

00:33:04.000 And I, that's, I get it.

00:33:06.000 I'm not going to strawman their argument.

00:33:08.000 Like there's a big difference between Jeff Bezos and a guy on Twitch.

00:33:11.000 Yeah.

00:33:12.000 I mean, I, okay, fine.

00:33:14.000 But, you know, if you really have some perspective on the issue, to be someone who, you know, if you're worth $10 million, let's just say, for the sake of argument for this guy, which he's probably at least got a net worth of that much, right?

00:33:27.000 Let's say his net worth is $10 million.

00:33:29.000 If you have a net worth of $10 million in 2021 in a first world country, compared to all of the human beings who have ever existed throughout history, you are a level of rich that is Could, would be magic to 99.99% of human beings who have ever existed.

00:33:49.000 They just couldn't even conceive.

00:33:50.000 Kings?

00:33:50.000 Kings would have no, like no concept of the wealth that you have.

00:33:54.000 Bro.

00:33:54.000 So to say, oh well I can compare him to Jeff Bezos and he's not as rich as that guy.

00:33:58.000 I mean like have some perspective.

00:33:59.000 You're talking about the rich.

00:34:01.000 You are amongst the most wealthy, privileged human beings who have ever existed in this like meaty flesh balls circling around the sun that we live

00:34:13.000 on. We went to a mall like two weeks ago and they have in when you walk in the center is this

00:34:19.000 like you know 200 foot tall dome with you know this beautiful glass and architecture and I looked

00:34:24.000 at it and I was like if a king from like the medieval world saw this he would say for what

00:34:30.000 god was this built.

00:34:31.000 And we'd be like, I'm just getting a mochaccino, dude.

00:34:34.000 I don't know about no gods.

00:34:35.000 Dude, if you could be a king in, like, the 1400s or be you in this house right now, I bet you would choose being you.

00:34:45.000 I got a toilet, dude!

00:34:47.000 You got a toilet.

00:34:48.000 If you get a headache, you got some Advil somewhere, I bet.

00:34:51.000 If you want to go downstairs, watch something, you go downstairs, you turn on the big screen TV.

00:34:55.000 If you were King, you'd have to go downstairs and have some dude, like, tell stories for you. 0.97

00:34:59.000 And then the stories might suck and you gotta kill that dude and find a new dude to tell you stories.

00:35:04.000 If you wanted to eat ice cream, they'd have to bring the ice block covered in sawdust And then walk it up and grab the salt and put it in the bowl with the cream and then like use the salt ice and you're sitting there being like, I'm gonna have ice cream soon. 0.93

00:35:18.000 And then it's just like bland, sweet, like not sweet.

00:35:22.000 It's brutal.

00:35:23.000 We've got ice cream downstairs that's made from fungus.

00:35:26.000 They genetically modified a fungus to make whey protein and it legit just tastes like regular ice cream but it's made from fungus.

00:35:33.000 Kings would not fathom a creation of such.

00:35:36.000 That's right.

00:35:37.000 And it stank back then too.

00:35:38.000 They don't talk about it a lot because they were all, it was desensitized to the stink.

00:35:42.000 But like, if you go to Vietnam, the Vietnam soldiers came back from Vietnam.

00:35:44.000 They're like, the thing you notice the most is how bad it stinks in Vietnam.

00:35:47.000 It's hot, like hot and it stinks.

00:35:49.000 The point that you're touching on, though, is that, and I agree, is that fundamentally there is a difference between like a self-made millionaire that worked, you know, pulled themselves up from their boob strats and the corporatists.

00:35:59.000 The problem is, and I know this doesn't apply to like Jimmy Dore and like the better half of the progressives, but the left has become corporatists.

00:36:06.000 And that has been made very clear with these bailouts, or not, I'm sorry, not the bailouts, the lockdowns.

00:36:10.000 Because, you know, who made out on that?

00:36:13.000 And who's morally in support of the lockdowns?

00:36:15.000 The left.

00:36:16.000 Right.

00:36:16.000 isn't my thing with like the Hassan buying the big house.

00:36:17.000 Yes.

00:36:18.000 I'm like, I'm I'm glad he got a big house. I think it's

00:36:21.000 fantastic. And, you know, the socialists who are criticizing

00:36:24.000 or criticizing him for the wrong reasons. Criticize the dude

00:36:26.000 because he's an authoritarian.

00:36:29.000 You know, he's pro government mandate. Yeah. Criticize what's

00:36:32.000 wrong with his his policies.

00:36:34.000 Now, I think it's fair to criticize the hypocrisy of people saying, like, the rich need to pay their fair share, and it's so unfair that some people have so much and some people have so little.

00:36:43.000 If you're going to argue like that, if you're going to argue that employers should be paying their employees a higher wage, well, look, here's my thing, right?

00:36:52.000 If you're saying inequality is a moral outrage and you have a net worth of $10 million, well, you can Do something right now in the world for inequality by sharing a whole bunch of your money with other people.

00:37:07.000 And so if you don't, I do think there's a level of hypocrisy that can be criticized for keeping all of this for yourself, living this very comfortable life and then complaining that others don't share their wealth.

00:37:17.000 Let's break this down real quick as to what we're seeing.

00:37:21.000 Hassan Piker works really, really hard, and through his talent and his drive and his passion, he has become extremely successful and made a lot of money.

00:37:30.000 To him, he's like, I know I'm rich, but the real problem is that guy.

00:37:34.000 Below him are the socialists saying, you know, look, we're not wealthy, we're middle class, but that guy, and they're pointing at Hassan.

00:37:41.000 So what happens, you have this scale where the poor person with nothing is pointing to the middle class, saying, these people don't understand what they have.

00:37:48.000 The middle class people are pointing at Hassan, saying, oh, he's exploiting, he doesn't understand what he has.

00:37:52.000 Then people like Ethan Klein and Hassan are pointing at Bezos, being like, they're the real problem.

00:37:56.000 The point is, no matter where you are at, they're always pointing at someone who's wealthier than they are, saying they're the problem.

00:38:01.000 And someone in sub-Saharan Africa is like, you're all the problem! 1.00

00:38:04.000 I have nothing!

00:38:06.000 It's the folly of the anti-capitalistic mentality.

00:38:08.000 Yeah, well that's right, and I think to the point Michael was making before, that there is something that, and one of the worst parts I think about the last 20 years particularly, but really I guess you could say since Jekyll Island, but is that we have this crony corrupt system that we call capitalism.

00:38:31.000 And so of course people reject this because they do know on some level that this is unfair.

00:38:37.000 And it is unfair because the whole system is completely rigged by the powerful.

00:38:41.000 And of course that's true.

00:38:42.000 But it's rigged through primarily government policies, bought and paid for politicians, regulatory capture, a whole series, like an entire system that rigs the game.

00:38:53.000 And what Michael I think was saying is that there is a difference.

00:38:56.000 Somebody who is just successful in the market, who has nothing to do with government connections, they are,

00:39:02.000 whether you like the product that they're selling or not, the people buying it do.

00:39:06.000 That's why they're buying it.

00:39:07.000 They have made their wealth because they provide a product that people want more than their

00:39:12.000 money and so they're willing to voluntarily give their money up for that product.

00:39:16.000 The people who make their money because they have some type of government connection, some

00:39:20.000 type of regulatory capture, some type of bought off politician, they make their money because

00:39:24.000 people are forced to pay them for their product and that is unfair.

00:39:28.000 And in the same sense that we bomb Iraq and call it Operation Iraqi Freedom, well I wonder why no Iraqi is going to want to buy freedom? 0.90

00:39:37.000 anymore after that right the left has gotten away with calling corporatism or economic fascism capitalism for far too long and if they just dropped that they would find out that we're against it too there's a great example uh candace owens tweeted black rock is buying up houses and they're getting money from the government this is communism and then on reddit a bunch of progressives posted that and saying literally capitalism And I'm like, yo, you're both wrong.

00:40:04.000 The point pointing at the communist and being like the government giving private institutions

00:40:08.000 free money to manipulate and control the system is not communism.

00:40:11.000 And it's not capitalism.

00:40:13.000 It's fascism.

00:40:13.000 Well, and you can see where they each have enough of a rationalization to sell it amongst

00:40:19.000 their base, right?

00:40:20.000 Because so so if you just looked at the American system today, it's like, OK, well, Sean Hannity

00:40:21.000 Because so so if you just looked at the American system today, it's like, okay, well, Sean

00:40:24.000 can sell to his base that this is socialism because look how big the government is and

00:40:24.000 Hannity can sell to his base that this is socialism because look how big the government is

00:40:29.000 and look at the deficit and look at all of this, right? And look at the government

00:40:33.000 involvement, right? So he can sell this as socialism. And then, of course, you know, whoever

00:40:38.000 MSNBC equivalent of that, you know, Rachel Maddow can sell it as this is capitalism because 1.00

00:40:42.000 look at the corporate profits and look at all right. So they they each have enough. But what we

00:40:46.000 really look at objectively, if you look at the whole picture here, this is not a battle between the

00:40:51.000 idea that there's a battle between big government and big business at this time, like, okay,

00:40:55.000 like we our government is what are Seven trillion dollars this year?

00:40:59.000 They're the biggest government that's ever existed in human history.

00:41:02.000 And look at the size of big corporations.

00:41:03.000 They're bigger than ever.

00:41:04.000 Okay?

00:41:05.000 So clearly, big business loves big government, and big government loves big business.

00:41:10.000 This is one conglomerate at this point.

00:41:12.000 And what do you call that?

00:41:13.000 Because there is a term for it, and it's not socialism or capitalism.

00:41:18.000 That's fascism, Dave.

00:41:19.000 Economically.

00:41:22.000 The IRS, the International Internal Revenue Service, been around since the 1862.

00:41:26.000 Looks like, what's his name, Abe Lincoln created it probably to fund the war. 0.86

00:41:30.000 Fascist!

00:41:31.000 In 1914, there was like a revolution within the Internal Revenue Service.

00:41:34.000 Oddly, right after they formed the Federal Reserve, 1914, or right then when they were forming it, and they created the new income tax.

00:41:41.000 I would love to hear from you guys about the history of the IRS.

00:41:44.000 So all of this stuff was under the Woodrow Wilson administration, and yes, it's certainly not a coincidence that the year after they created the Federal Reserve, then it's like, OK, if this Fed's going to lend us our own money that we will now owe them back with interest, we're going to need a little bit of a stream of money coming in.

00:42:04.000 And the way the income tax was sold Was that it was only going to apply to the top top 1% of

00:42:13.000 people They sold this as a brick

00:42:16.000 This was during the progressive era as it was known and they sold this as a progressive measure

00:42:21.000 So this is don't even what listen this is gonna be something that's gonna be for the fat cats the robber barons

00:42:27.000 It's going to be like 2% of their income.

00:42:30.000 Like, we're going to take that and then we'll share it around with everybody and the rest of us will all be wealthier.

00:42:35.000 This is not going to apply to your average working Joe, of course.

00:42:38.000 They keep saying it.

00:42:39.000 They won't stop saying the same thing over and over and over again.

00:42:41.000 They're still, to this day, they still use the same.

00:42:43.000 But at the time, it was like, OK, so that's how they got the support and that's how they got it.

00:42:46.000 So we got the Federal Reserve in play.

00:42:48.000 We got the income tax in play.

00:42:50.000 And three years later, we're in a world war.

00:42:54.000 I mean, you know what the Federal Reserve really is doing?

00:42:56.000 It's just their legal way of reaching into your bank account and taking your money.

00:42:59.000 That's all they do.

00:43:00.000 Right, so as the great Ron Paul, happy birthday again, used to always say, right?

00:43:04.000 The real tax is spending.

00:43:06.000 The real tax is government spending.

00:43:08.000 Because when government spends money, what can they do?

00:43:11.000 Well, all they can do is they can either tax the money from you, Or they can borrow the money, which is just a promise to tax you in the future.

00:43:18.000 Or they can print the money, which is in effect just taxing you right now, or a little bit in the future, because it's just robbing the value of your dollar.

00:43:25.000 So when government spends a dollar, they've stolen a dollar from you.

00:43:29.000 Forget taxation is theft, government spending is theft.

00:43:32.000 And the reason, like, so when we got into World War I, was it 1917 we got into World War I?

00:43:38.000 Yeah.

00:43:38.000 Okay, so just a few years after this.

00:43:41.000 Well, I know the plan for the income tax was just to be for the top 1%, and you weren't going to, but crisis.

00:43:48.000 World War.

00:43:49.000 So now everybody's going to have to pay taxes and we're going to have to increase the rates.

00:43:53.000 And then, you know, the crisis will be over soon, except then we have a Great Depression.

00:43:56.000 That's another crisis.

00:43:57.000 We have the Second World War.

00:43:58.000 That's another crisis.

00:43:59.000 And then, oh, by the way, this is just permanent government policy.

00:44:03.000 There is a fee for producing something.

00:44:07.000 Not only is there a fee for you having a job and being a productive member of society, but you lose any semblance of Fifth Amendment rights to not incriminate yourself.

00:44:16.000 You now have to incriminate yourself every year to the federal government because you are already presumed guilty, presumed a criminal, by your own government for the crime of being a productive member of society.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, and what's funny about that is they're supposed to issue a receipt on what your taxes go for, and of course, you know, you're under penalty if you don't comply, and there's absolutely no accountability for them if they don't.

00:44:39.000 So, and what you were saying as far as income taxes were never supposed to be for the average wage earner, you know, and then you also pointed out earlier that the suspending of gold was supposed to be temporary.

00:44:50.000 It's just that, it's that classic Harry Brown quote of there's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.

00:44:56.000 Yeah, you let them have a little power, they're not giving it back easy.

00:44:59.000 What ends up happening when they start this is, it's just for the rich.

00:45:03.000 It's no big deal.

00:45:03.000 It won't affect you.

00:45:04.000 Well, it's an emergency, so everyone's going to pitch in.

00:45:07.000 Then it's, well, the emergency, we got another emergency.

00:45:09.000 Well, now it's another world war.

00:45:11.000 And then by the time it's, the crisis are finally calming down and you come out and say, okay, you're appealing this little bill.

00:45:15.000 You're appealing what?

00:45:16.000 Well, the taxes.

00:45:18.000 What do you mean?

00:45:18.000 The taxes have always been there.

00:45:19.000 Well, right.

00:45:20.000 Exactly.

00:45:20.000 Nobody's got a problem with income tax.

00:45:22.000 You're far right.

00:45:23.000 Right.

00:45:23.000 So 10 years ago, nine years ago, we kill Osama bin Laden.

00:45:26.000 Just just now we're pulling out of the war in Afghanistan.

00:45:29.000 So is it like, OK, well, goodbye, TSA.

00:45:31.000 TSA ain't going nowhere, man.

00:45:34.000 That's the norm now.

00:45:36.000 You're used to that.

00:45:37.000 Don't ever believe.

00:45:39.000 The lesson here is don't ever believe they're 15 days to flatten the curve on anything because it's never that.

00:45:45.000 It's never temporary.

00:45:46.000 Yeah.

00:45:46.000 Afghanistan was another one.

00:45:47.000 It was never supposed to be this What's AUMA?

00:45:50.000 war on terrorism or this 20 year thing is supposed to be to go and get the terrorists

00:45:54.000 that knocked down the Twin Towers.

00:45:55.000 Oh if you look at the AUMA, I mean the language of it was just to go get the people who knocked

00:46:01.000 down the Twin Towers.

00:46:02.000 What's AUMA?

00:46:03.000 The authorization.

00:46:04.000 AUMF.

00:46:06.000 The Authorization of Military Force.

00:46:09.000 So they didn't declare war.

00:46:09.000 Authorization for use of military force.

00:46:11.000 Authorization for use of military force.

00:46:12.000 Yeah, they didn't declare war.

00:46:13.000 They declared military force for a constrained mission, which was to go get Bin Laden and the terrorists.

00:46:19.000 And that's why, you know, Ron Paul actually voted for that because that's what it was supposed to be.

00:46:25.000 And then he also tried to issue letters of marquee and reprisal to basically hire mercenaries to help get these named people.

00:46:32.000 Bin Laden, his lieutenants, you know.

00:46:34.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 And that didn't happen.

00:46:35.000 And then they took that inch and ran about 40, 50 miles with it.

00:46:39.000 Twenty years with it.

00:46:40.000 Yeah.

00:46:41.000 And it should be noted that they had Osama bin Laden in, I think, November or December

00:46:49.000 of 2001 when they had him pinned in Tora Bora.

00:46:52.000 And they could have killed Osama bin Laden.

00:46:54.000 And they had forces over in Kabul fighting the Taliban.

00:46:58.000 They had forces in the north, Green Berets in the north that they didn't even call into

00:47:02.000 the action.

00:47:03.000 And the forces on the ground were saying, we need reinforcements right here.

00:47:06.000 We've got Osama bin Laden.

00:47:08.000 We could have killed Osama bin Laden in late 2001, been done with the whole thing, called 0.51

00:47:12.000 off the entire terror war.

00:47:14.000 And man, what a better world we're living in if that's what we do.

00:47:17.000 And instead, they allowed, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and I really, I'm just speculating but I lean toward intentionally on this, they allowed him to escape into Pakistan because I'll tell you, look, There's no question that a lot of the people, the forces on the ground were like, we can block off the Pakistan border right now and we can get Bin Laden. 0.90

00:47:41.000 This is easy if you just send us the reinforcements.

00:47:43.000 And they had specifically, the Bush administration, had not declared war on Al Qaeda.

00:47:49.000 They had not declared war on the people who did 9-11.

00:47:52.000 They had not even declared war on Afghanistan.

00:47:55.000 They declared war on terrorism.

00:47:57.000 on terror and they had already had plans to go into Iraq on the pretense that he was working with Osama bin Laden.

00:48:04.000 Now if you kill Osama bin Laden in December 2001, what really is the motivation to go into Iraq in all of 0.93

00:48:11.000 these other wars?

00:48:12.000 You'd probably lose it, but if he's still out there and he could be working with other people and he could be

00:48:16.000 plotting these things, then you've got 20 years of war.

00:48:19.000 You think if Hillary would have won we'd be in Iran? 0.86

00:48:21.000 I don't know.

00:48:22.000 I think certainly you wouldn't have had the deal, or I'm sorry, if Hillary had won, I'm thinking 2008.

00:48:30.000 You're talking 2016?

00:48:31.000 Right.

00:48:32.000 So if Hillary had won in 2016, I think it's likely she would have wanted to push for it.

00:48:38.000 The problem with the war in Iran is that no matter how many of the blood-soaked monster neocons, and I include Hillary Clinton in that list, won a war with Iran, The actual logistics of doing it are so bad that many people in the military are like, look, we just can't do a war with Iran.

00:48:58.000 Because Iran is a more serious adversary than any of the countries we've picked on in the Middle East right now.

00:49:05.000 They will slaughter U.S. 0.99

00:49:08.000 military members all around the Middle East.

00:49:10.000 I want to show people something real quick.

00:49:11.000 We have this map so you can understand.

00:49:13.000 A lot of people don't know the geography.

00:49:14.000 Iraq is just to the west of Iran and Afghanistan is to the east.

00:49:18.000 I don't believe it was a coincidence.

00:49:20.000 We said Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:49:22.000 What was in the middle and what did John Bolton say he wanted to do?

00:49:25.000 He said, this time next year we will be celebrating victory in Tehran.

00:49:29.000 We had a pincer attack on Iran, but Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan. 0.75

00:49:33.000 It is a mountainous, very well populated, armed, strong nation.

00:49:38.000 But they've wanted to go after Iran for a long time.

00:49:40.000 Oh, no question.

00:49:41.000 Did you ever see that video from, I think it was around 2003, 2005, you know, fact check me on that, of General Wesley Clark, where he was saying, prior to them going into Iraq, they were telling him, we're going into Iraq, and then the plan after that is to go into Venezuela, and ultimately Iran, and he named like four or five countries.

00:50:01.000 Seven.

00:50:01.000 Seven countries.

00:50:02.000 He also included Syria in that list, I think Sudan was in the list as well, yeah.

00:50:06.000 No, it didn't play out exactly like the plan that he mentioned, but there was certainly something to that.

00:50:12.000 And you watch that.

00:50:13.000 What did happen after 9-11 was wars all throughout the Middle East.

00:50:19.000 I mean, wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen.

00:50:26.000 They attempted Venezuela with Guaido.

00:50:29.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 But not a war like we had in these other countries.

00:50:31.000 They want to put central banks in all these countries.

00:50:33.000 Well, they want to get in there, install the central banking system, get out.

00:50:36.000 And then we won. We've unified the world through economics.

00:50:39.000 Which goes back to what we were talking about before, is that one of the primary weapon here is debt.

00:50:44.000 Like students, debt.

00:50:47.000 Businesses with the lockdowns, debt.

00:50:49.000 You know, credit card debt.

00:50:50.000 Like everything is debt.

00:50:51.000 And they're getting us to keep feeding them with our productivity by ensnaring us in debt.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:50:59.000 And that's, I'll just say, and don't buy, listen, don't buy their propaganda about this whole thing in Afghanistan.

00:51:05.000 And I hope that people can see through it.

00:51:08.000 Like, I'm not saying this isn't kind of ugly, Joe Biden's, you know, withdrawal from Afghanistan, and that there's not some, like, ugly aspects of it.

00:51:15.000 But just, like, take a step back, zoom out, and peep game.

00:51:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:21.000 Like, see what's going on here.

00:51:22.000 When CNN is saying, this is a nightmare, oh, this is a tragedy, Joe Biden, oh, what has he done?

00:51:28.000 I'm kind of like, wait a minute.

00:51:29.000 But here's what drives me crazy, right?

00:51:30.000 Is that I see these people like right-winger types.

00:51:33.000 Who, like, I agree with on some stuff, not on others, but I see Charlie Kirk tweeted something.

00:51:38.000 I think it was him.

00:51:39.000 He tweeted something where he goes, you know, CNN saying something and they go, he takes it as a dig on Biden.

00:51:44.000 He goes, man, when you've lost CNN, you're really doing bad.

00:51:48.000 It's like, no, Charlie Kirk, you got this game all wrong, man.

00:51:51.000 Why did he lose CNN? 0.92

00:51:53.000 Because he ended a freaking war. 0.97

00:51:56.000 That's why he lost CNN. 0.97

00:51:57.000 Did Obama lose CNN when he destroyed Libya?

00:52:00.000 Oh no, that wasn't a problem.

00:52:02.000 See, all of a sudden the corporate press has these deep, passionate, humanitarian impulses.

00:52:09.000 All of a sudden there's this moral outrage about the innocent people in Afghanistan.

00:52:13.000 We have started wars in about six or seven different countries that have led to millions 1.00

00:52:18.000 of innocent people being slaughtered.

00:52:20.000 Not a peep out of the corporate press.

00:52:22.000 Not a peep as, in Yemen, babies are vomiting to death by the hundreds of thousands because of the US-backed Saudi war in Yemen.

00:52:33.000 Not a peep out of the corporate press.

00:52:35.000 But all of a sudden, they're the humanitarians, the one time we end a war.

00:52:38.000 And when was the other time they became big humanitarians?

00:52:41.000 When Donald Trump tried to end the war in Syria.

00:52:43.000 Oh, the Kurds! 1.00

00:52:44.000 What about the Kurds?

00:52:45.000 See through this, man.

00:52:46.000 But do you remember what the media said when Trump fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria?

00:52:50.000 Presidential!

00:52:51.000 Beautiful!

00:52:52.000 Is this the time Trump has become a president?

00:52:55.000 That's right.

00:52:56.000 They also cheered the assassination of Soleimani.

00:52:58.000 That's right.

00:52:59.000 Maybe it's just a wild coincidence that every time it's within the military-industrial complex's interests The corporate press becomes humanitarian, and when it's in their interests, they look the other way and don't care.

00:53:11.000 So that's all I'm saying.

00:53:13.000 Listen, by the way, for anyone out there, Joe Biden is the architect of some of the worst policies in modern American history.

00:53:23.000 He is an evil person, and he is very responsible directly for the war on terrorism, particularly the war in Iraq under George W. Bush that he championed and voted for, okay? 0.65

00:53:33.000 And he's also just an embarrassing Like elderly, you know, incompetent person, but this is this is not what it appears to be. 0.96

00:53:42.000 You were saying something before the show about, you know, if, you know, when we plot of a war, they're going to make sure it's bad.

00:53:48.000 Like, yeah, people are in the future.

00:53:50.000 They're going to be like, well, if we do pull our troops out of Iraq, I mean, remember what happened in Afghanistan?

00:53:55.000 Oh, you know, we don't know.

00:53:56.000 And so I was thinking about this.

00:53:58.000 People need to understand.

00:54:00.000 It's only been a couple presidents.

00:54:01.000 George W. Bush starts a war.

00:54:03.000 Obama takes it, runs with it.

00:54:05.000 Trump says, I'm ending this.

00:54:07.000 Biden then says, I'm gonna follow through, which is a good thing, but I 100% believe if Donald Trump kept troops at 15,500, Joe Biden wouldn't be talking about it at all.

00:54:19.000 It's because Trump was drawing down the troops and they were freaking out.

00:54:23.000 And then Biden comes in and he's like, how do we get more troops in?

00:54:26.000 So pay attention now because we can sit here and be like, it's a good thing he's ending this war, but they're sending more troops in already.

00:54:32.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:54:33.000 I really do believe, and I had that attitude too, when Biden first pushed back the date, because Donald Trump organized, he organized a ceasefire with the Taliban, negotiated a ceasefire and a withdrawal date, which was in March.

00:54:48.000 I believe it was early in March of this year.

00:54:51.000 Biden came in and said... It was supposed to be May 1st.

00:54:53.000 I'm sorry.

00:54:54.000 I'm sorry.

00:54:54.000 That's right.

00:54:54.000 It was May 1st.

00:54:55.000 Biden came in and pushed it back to September 11th.

00:54:59.000 I think At the time, I thought he was just bailing on the whole thing.

00:55:02.000 I was like, he's not going to pull out at all.

00:55:04.000 But then I guess it was just for political reasons to be like, well, we can't I can't just say I did Trump's thing.

00:55:09.000 I have to do it my own way and make it more, you know, like on an important day, September 11th.

00:55:15.000 But the reality of the situation is that with the troop levels that we had in under under Trump and even with these troops that Biden sent in to kind of help with the evacuation process, the thing is this, right?

00:55:27.000 A lot of people, and a lot of people in the corporate press, they kind of create this false narrative where they say, well, I mean, maybe we could just leave the troops in there now, at like the level we have now, and it wouldn't be this unstable.

00:55:39.000 And look, there hasn't really been an American casualty there for like the last couple years.

00:55:44.000 But what they don't acknowledge is that the reason there hasn't been an American casualty, the reason things have been stable, is because Donald Trump negotiated a ceasefire contingent on us leaving.

00:55:57.000 If Biden were to say, we're not leaving now and stay in, at this point, the Taliban runs that country. 0.61

00:56:05.000 We will need, listen, we couldn't beat them with well over a hundred thousand troops that Barack Obama had there.

00:56:11.000 So if we want to go back to this war now, it will be a bloodbath unless we're willing to send in another hundred thousand troops.

00:56:20.000 In which case, we will drive the guerrilla Taliban's back out into the mountains. 0.96

00:56:24.000 They'll sit there for another decade.

00:56:26.000 We'll draw down and they'll come back and take over again. 1.00

00:56:30.000 So what do you want to do, guys?

00:56:32.000 So I think that just out of practicality, I think this war is over.

00:56:36.000 I don't think there's anything they could do that's not going to be a worse disaster at this point.

00:56:42.000 And there's just no public appetite for it, I don't think, anymore.

00:56:45.000 You know?

00:56:45.000 I do, in the midst of that though, I do want to kind of draw a distinction between the ending of a war and the withdrawing of troops.

00:56:51.000 Because even as the troops were being withdrawn under Trump, drone bombings went up.

00:56:55.000 Now the point still stands that as the drone bombings went up, we didn't win the war, you know?

00:56:59.000 It still didn't do anything.

00:57:01.000 So we have to get out completely.

00:57:03.000 And it's at the point now where when you've got You know, $3 trillion spending bills, all these bailouts and stuff.

00:57:09.000 Like Ron Paul always said, um, empires end for financial reasons.

00:57:14.000 And, you know, we might not, we might be right on the moral issue.

00:57:17.000 We might be right on the constitutional issue, but apparently nobody cares.

00:57:20.000 Um, we will be right.

00:57:22.000 And we, and they will understand eventually on the financial aspect.

00:57:25.000 Just one, one quick other thing too, is that this is not the disaster yet.

00:57:29.000 Maybe it will be, but it's not what everyone's pretending it is in Afghanistan.

00:57:32.000 No.

00:57:33.000 They're acting like ISIS just seized Western Iraq and that they're cutting people's heads off, that the Taliban is slaughtering people.

00:57:39.000 So far, it's like, look, there's some ugly things.

00:57:41.000 People are dying.

00:57:41.000 Yes, no, there have been some people dying, but I'm saying it's not like the Taliban have been rolling in and just slaughtering everybody.

00:57:47.000 So far, it's kind of like, eh, it's an ugly withdrawal.

00:57:50.000 It's not like some unbelievable nightmare like many other of these situations have been after we've gone in.

00:57:56.000 The Taliban is posting Chad memes.

00:57:58.000 Like, they're on like a PR... Look, they're bad people, but by the way, so were a lot of the warlords that we propped up to fight the Taliban.

00:58:06.000 Well, let's talk about long-term solutions, alright?

00:58:09.000 The Republican Party doesn't do anything.

00:58:11.000 I mean, they sit around.

00:58:12.000 You got a handful of people, you know, obviously Rand Paul, I'm a big fan, and Thomas Massey's pretty good.

00:58:17.000 But for the most part, what is it?

00:58:18.000 It's a speed bump for Democrats.

00:58:20.000 Then you got the Democratic Party, which are just like, take and steal whatever you can.

00:58:24.000 We're familiar.

00:58:25.000 the the Lulbertarians of the Libertarian Party. You've got a lot of weird tweets

00:58:30.000 and I've never honestly taken the Libertarian Party seriously even though

00:58:34.000 neither did I for most of my libertarian life.

00:58:38.000 And so then I started hearing more and more about what you guys were doing.

00:58:41.000 I saw more videos from you.

00:58:42.000 We had you on the show several times.

00:58:43.000 And I'm like, can you guys, you know, build together something that actually functions as a legitimate alternative for regular Americans who are just fed up?

00:58:51.000 Well, so right there, like what you just said is almost exactly like the idea here, right?

00:58:56.000 That it's like, well, look, we recognize what's happening here.

00:58:58.000 So the Democratic Party is just...

00:59:02.000 So laughably beyond hope at this point. 1.00

00:59:04.000 It's now become a mix of the home for neocons, corporatists, and their useful woke idiots. 1.00

00:59:12.000 Like, that is basically the Democrats from top to bottom at this point. 1.00

00:59:16.000 It's like a Cronenberg monster.

00:59:18.000 Yeah, it's beyond even discussing.

00:59:22.000 The Republican Party has really, I mean, I think we see what it is.

00:59:28.000 I mean, the rank and file, there are certainly some people there who are really like, and

00:59:33.000 I will say in the Democrats, there are some rank and file people who like Tulsi and Bernie

00:59:36.000 for the right reasons too, so I shouldn't be too hard on them.

00:59:39.000 The rank and file, like voters in the Republican base, they really have rejected the neoconservatives.

00:59:45.000 But they both see, hey, if you like Tulsi, well, how's she going to be treated by this

00:59:50.000 Hey if you like Bernie, how's he going to be treated by this party?

00:59:52.000 If you like Donald Trump, how was he treated by his own party?

00:59:55.000 He had to win in such a landslide to even take that thing over.

00:59:58.000 And by the way, I am no fan of Donald Trump, but he was completely boxed in by his own government, his entire presidency.

01:00:04.000 The man was framed for treason by his own deep state.

01:00:09.000 So what are really like and the truth is even if Donald Trump were to win and not be boxed

01:00:14.000 in or even if Bernie Sanders were to win and not be boxed in, they're both so ideologically

01:00:18.000 wrong on so many issues that they wouldn't even know the best way to take on the federal

01:00:24.000 government.

01:00:25.000 The reality is that what we need is a mass awakening of American people to understand

01:00:31.000 to all be together on what the problems are.

01:00:34.000 We don't have to agree on everything, but we can agree on the most basic things, which is that the government needs to stop doing the evil things that are destroying the country.

01:00:43.000 And to me, the Libertarian Party, you're right, there are some Lulberts there, and there are also some really good people in the Libertarian Party.

01:00:52.000 I was specifically referring to the Lulbertarians as Not majority, plurality.

01:00:55.000 on the libertarians.

01:00:56.000 Yes, but the thing is that the vast majority, like you had talked about before that you

01:01:00.000 ran a poll a couple years ago, your audience and the vast majority of your audience, the

01:01:04.000 biggest demographic, the plurality, thought of themselves as libertarian.

01:01:09.000 And there's all these people, the libertarian party is way smaller than the libertarian

01:01:13.000 movement, than the liberty movement.

01:01:15.000 And so we're like, look, there is this party here that claims to be about libertarian principles, the beautiful Ron Paul principles that we stand for.

01:01:24.000 And there's way more of us.

01:01:26.000 So if we want to all join this party, we can actually make this a force for the most beautiful political philosophy in

01:01:34.000 human history, which is that of individual liberty. And that really does solve so many of the problems

01:01:40.000 that the country faces today.

01:01:42.000 And that's basically the thing, is that we want to save the nation by destroying the government

01:01:47.000 and the government policies that are destroying the nation.

01:01:51.000 It's a malice quote from, I forget what podcast, but he's like,

01:01:55.000 I hate the government because I love the country.

01:01:58.000 Yeah.

01:02:00.000 Well, I was going to speak to what you say, because it's interesting.

01:02:02.000 You kind of, in a way, proved his point with your saying, like, oh, I love Thomas Massey.

01:02:08.000 I love Rand Paul.

01:02:09.000 Obviously, we all love Ron Paul.

01:02:11.000 And these are the biggest libertarian, let's say, stars in the country.

01:02:16.000 That's where all the support is.

01:02:18.000 But the thing that's important to recognize in that is that that is what the majority of libertarians are like.

01:02:25.000 They're more attuned to that.

01:02:26.000 So the problem is that the institution has been captured by a small number of people because it was essentially Give it away.

01:02:33.000 Apathy.

01:02:33.000 So we're just bringing that movement back into the party to actually represent it, which is Ron Paul.

01:02:39.000 Now, I want to say one thing.

01:02:40.000 There's probably a lot of people that are just like, I don't care about politics.

01:02:43.000 I don't care about Democrats, Republicans or Libertarians.

01:02:46.000 To them, I say, wouldn't you like to see Press Secretary Michael Malice?

01:02:50.000 Just because it would be funny.

01:02:51.000 But that's another... so this is another thing that... I would!

01:02:54.000 Well, absolutely, and this is another thing that we kind of, as the Mises Caucus, bring to the table that is not currently on the table within the Libertarian Party, which is that the Libertarians need to become a cultural movement, and have something to say there, and have a narrative to write there, and that's what's going to draw people in.

01:03:11.000 Right now, the party is mired in this idea that, well, we're just here to elect candidates, and then they don't even do So it's like, what's your pitch?

01:03:18.000 And, and we are out here.

01:03:20.000 So like, for example, we, the Mises Caucus, we have, uh, we're, we're supporting, uh, health freedom rallies.

01:03:26.000 You know, we're supporting like nurses that are being threatened with the mandate.

01:03:29.000 We just produced a documentary following, uh, or our California crew produced a documentary, uh, following three business owners as the lockdowns came in and they were existing.

01:03:38.000 Excellent documentary.

01:03:39.000 Yeah, and we've got an anti-war rally going on on 9-11 in DC, StopTheDamnWars.org, or EndTheDamnWars.org, and we're trying to actually get into the culture, and I would say you are a big part of that, because where I think libertarians are going to gain the most ground is in the dissident communities.

01:04:03.000 The media is not up for grabs, or the audience that is listening to the legacy media is not up for grabs.

01:04:09.000 But it's gotta be Libertarians.

01:04:10.000 And I don't mean big L Libertarian Libertarian Party.

01:04:12.000 Yeah.

01:04:13.000 I just mean on the spectrum because even the problem I have with left Libertarians as a compass faction, you need only look at political compass memes on Reddit to understand the problem we have right now.

01:04:25.000 Whenever they make a meme, they show the tankies, the authoritarian communist types in the authoritarian left, they show Nazis in the authoritarian right, ANCAPs in the libertarian right, and the woke in the libertarian left, which makes literally no sense because woke people are dogmatic authoritarians.

01:04:42.000 It's cancel culture.

01:04:44.000 Do it or else.

01:04:44.000 It's we want you to believe our thing.

01:04:47.000 Otherwise, you're bad and wrong.

01:04:48.000 It's not libertarian at all.

01:04:50.000 Well, yeah.

01:04:51.000 And just the fundamental underpinnings of, say, like, critical race theory.

01:04:58.000 But it kind of works.

01:04:59.000 Yeah.

01:05:01.000 But the philosophical underpinnings of critical race theory are completely incompatible with any type of market system at all.

01:05:10.000 I mean, they will actually tell you that meritocracy itself is racist, or that liberal economies, meaning in the classical liberal sense, are racist.

01:05:20.000 But check it out, here's the thing about left-libertarianism.

01:05:23.000 Left-libertarianism is cooperative libertarianism.

01:05:25.000 Right-libertarianism is competitive.

01:05:28.000 So the reason why I think right-libertarianism is outsized is because it's really easy to have a very large system where it's like, that's a fine beer you've got.

01:05:36.000 I will trade you this rock.

01:05:38.000 And then we come to an agreement.

01:05:39.000 Cooperation outside of an exchange of value is very, very difficult.

01:05:43.000 So left-libertarianism is crippled.

01:05:45.000 But this idea that left libertarians are the woke, you know, Bernie Sanders, Democrat, that is not true.

01:05:51.000 Bernie Sanders was, maybe, but the problem is ultimately, we were talking, I think we talked about this with Vosch, he's a socialist, we had him on our bonus segment, we talked about this.

01:06:02.000 A left libertarian system, like the true libertarian freedom, is like 10 people on a farm.

01:06:07.000 Who are have agreements and they can solve their problems very easily among each other

01:06:11.000 But once you try and scale up to two different communities that don't agree and you have no means by with to exchange

01:06:17.000 value and have It a trade then you get authoritarianism when one side says

01:06:21.000 do it or else right exactly So so what it comes down to really is like like by the way

01:06:27.000 There are some really good left libertarians out there who I have no problem with

01:06:31.000 And if you basically say, if you come to the conclusion of voluntarism, which many of them do, where it's kind of like, OK, well, if you guys don't want to be a part of this or you guys want to go be, you know, competitive or whatever the thing is, which I don't even think exactly describes our type of libertarianism, it's an aspect of it, but that as long as you're OK with that, And not forcing other people in, then to me we're all kind of the same thing and you're just putting emphasis on different areas.

01:06:55.000 You can go have your commune on a farm.

01:06:57.000 No libertarian like me or Michael is going to advocate for stopping you from doing that.

01:07:01.000 The presupposition is, you own a farm.

01:07:03.000 Property.

01:07:04.000 Right, like how did you get that farm?

01:07:06.000 Did you take that from somewhere?

01:07:08.000 Did you see the meme?

01:07:09.000 Someone tweeted, what are you going to do once communism is accomplished?

01:07:13.000 And then someone responded with, probably study a bit more, hang out with my friends, teach people how to, you know, grow food on my farm, maybe hang out on Sundays.

01:07:21.000 And then someone responded with, your farm?

01:07:24.000 Have these people ever looked at a communist country?

01:07:27.000 Because you don't own it.

01:07:30.000 It is owned by the greater, and that means everyone is subjugated. 0.55

01:07:34.000 Yeah, look, I mean, that type of system, every time it's been tried, has been, not just like, hasn't worked out well, it works out really, really disastrously bad.

01:07:43.000 But this is my, here's the thing, if you truly were, this is why the left libertarian on the internet and how they portray it is completely wrong, because if you were left libertarian, you would be cheering for right libertarians because you all agree, leave each other alone unless you come to an agreement.

01:07:59.000 So when I saw Ron Paul, I was like, works for me.

01:08:03.000 He's going to leave me and my friends alone and we'll go have our little hippie commune and then we can do our thing.

01:08:08.000 A couple things.

01:08:10.000 In my experience, a lot of times left libertarians, like you use the word cooperation.

01:08:14.000 I would argue that free markets are cooperation and they naturally produce hierarchies.

01:08:19.000 And a lot of times left libertarians want to flatten those hierarchies, which is just against nature.

01:08:25.000 Yeah, no, 100%.

01:08:26.000 So I think that's exactly right.

01:08:28.000 So if you think about, say, like someone operating within a free market or some type of business or something like that, you could describe it as competition.

01:08:37.000 So you could say right now, you know, that this show, right, is in competition with other shows.

01:08:45.000 And there is some degree of truth to that.

01:08:46.000 I mean, someone is choosing right now to watch this show rather than watching some other show, so you're competing with them.

01:08:51.000 But to just describe what you do as competition, it's like, well, I don't know, you are in a cooperative agreement with everybody who's here to come and do the show, and you're gonna come and you're gonna do this, and they'll come in, and well, you are in a cooperative agreement with the travel accommodations made for everybody to get here, you're in a cooperative agreement with your sponsors, You're in a cooperative agreement with the people you buy the equipment from.

01:09:14.000 So to me, I see a lot more cooperation than I do competition.

01:09:19.000 It's not that that's not there, but all of it is involved.

01:09:22.000 But so I don't think it's like... Well, it's not one or the other.

01:09:25.000 Right, exactly.

01:09:26.000 So the question becomes, like, how are we going to relate to each other?

01:09:31.000 But ultimately, my point was the true rare left libertarians who tend to be the politically homeless, Agreed.

01:09:37.000 should be paying attention to what you guys are doing.

01:09:39.000 Agreed.

01:09:40.000 And yeah, because if we can all agree like we're going to be left alone, we can all...

01:09:43.000 Look, Ron Paul said he's like, you can have your own socialist commune within a libertarian system.

01:09:48.000 Why aren't you doing it?

01:09:49.000 You know what made me an ANCAP?

01:09:50.000 What's that?

01:09:53.000 I interviewed Ron Paul.

01:09:54.000 I organized a rally at every Federal Reserve building simultaneously, and that earned me a private interview with Ron Paul.

01:10:01.000 And I was struggling with the whole thing at that time, and I said, Ron, in a free society, do you think capitalism and socialism could, if it was voluntary, run parallel to each other?

01:10:12.000 Sure, why not?

01:10:13.000 That was his answer.

01:10:15.000 I think they have to, because if you're born into a system like this, where it's like, you know, competition, cooperation, but then Google has monopolized an aspect of society, how do you use the government to break that up, in my opinion?

01:10:27.000 If you guys have other ideas around that, let me know.

01:10:32.000 I think it's the taking away of the free market that's produced that, because it's the collusion between governments.

01:10:37.000 So what is the incentive for them to break it up?

01:10:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:40.000 They're the ones who are getting, that are colluding with those corporate entities.

01:10:45.000 So what we need is more freedom, not necessarily more government busting up of the corporations, at least in my opinion.

01:10:51.000 Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that.

01:10:53.000 It's hard to make the case.

01:10:55.000 You know, there's this tendency, I think, when a problem is very hard to solve.

01:11:00.000 And that's not to downplay what the problem is.

01:11:02.000 But there's this tendency to say, when there's a problem, well, let's just have government do it.

01:11:06.000 But okay, all government has done is made Google stronger and stronger.

01:11:10.000 They, like Michael was saying, they have no interest in breaking Google up.

01:11:13.000 Now if you think the easier thing to do is overtake the government, get really good people

01:11:19.000 elected there, and then break them up in the best interest of the people, I'm highly skeptical

01:11:25.000 that we'll be able to do that.

01:11:27.000 No, that won't work.

01:11:28.000 You've got to free their software code.

01:11:29.000 Well, that's it, right?

01:11:30.000 But what you just kind of indicated there is you actually want less government control, that you want to actually break their software code, not let them have protection under the law.

01:11:39.000 And you know what I mean?

01:11:40.000 So that's my thing. 0.97

01:11:41.000 Now, a lot of libertarians will make these really stupid arguments that, like, Tech censorship and tech monopolies aren't a big problem. 0.95

01:11:49.000 You know, that's just the market. 1.00

01:11:50.000 That is really stupid. 1.00

01:11:52.000 It is a major, major threat. 1.00

01:11:54.000 It's a big problem.

01:11:54.000 And let me say also, to Michael's point, a lot of these things, and this is something that I think is done on the left a lot, right?

01:12:01.000 I remember one time, just quick, very quick anecdote, that Bernie Sanders was criticizing Ron Paul.

01:12:06.000 And he said, this was on MSNBC, and they played a clip of Ron Paul where he said, Ron Paul was like, well, what if somebody doesn't buy insurance and then they get in a motorcycle accident?

01:12:17.000 Are you telling me that they just have to beg for charity or something?

01:12:20.000 And Ron Paul goes, look, that's what freedom's all about.

01:12:23.000 You take your own risks.

01:12:24.000 You make your own choices.

01:12:25.000 You can ask for help, but you don't get to force people to help you.

01:12:28.000 And Bernie Sanders, it cuts back to Bernie Sanders and Bernie Sanders goes, listen, I like Ron Paul.

01:12:33.000 I think he's a nice guy, but that's what he believes.

01:12:36.000 He believes People shouldn't get medical care.

01:12:39.000 They just shouldn't get it.

01:12:40.000 Now, meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is a career politician.

01:12:44.000 Ron Paul is a medical doctor who worked at a church and never turned anyone away for a dollar an hour when he was young, okay?

01:12:53.000 So here's the thing.

01:12:53.000 It's nice to just say, oh, government has to do this thing, and then feel like the humanitarian in the room.

01:12:58.000 But the reality is that we need to get on the ground and change the culture in a lot of these areas.

01:13:03.000 A lot of the stuff, and this is what Michael was getting at before, a lot of this stuff with the tech censorship is that we have kind of given up on this culture of free speech.

01:13:12.000 Not just, and I don't mean the First Amendment, I mean like free speech, what the First Amendment was alluding to.

01:13:17.000 Well, hold on, hold on.

01:13:19.000 This is very important.

01:13:20.000 The concept of free speech as we know it is new.

01:13:22.000 George Carlin got arrested for saying naughty words.

01:13:24.000 That's true, that is true.

01:13:25.000 It was, what was it, Brandenburg v. Ohio, was that the case?

01:13:28.000 I'm not sure in the 60s where we finally said oh actually you can yell fire in a crowded theater

01:13:32.000 That's right right and people have never learned the truth and lady Bruce got arrested too 1.00

01:13:36.000 And that yeah something happened in the 90s and 2000s where we were like free speech family guys South Park Simpsons

01:13:43.000 They were just like we're gonna make a whole bunch of off-color jokes and people are gonna roll with it and have a good

01:13:47.000 time and now

01:13:49.000 Springer!

01:13:49.000 Morifovich!

01:13:50.000 I genuinely believe.

01:13:51.000 Yeah, and to your point back then, even right in the 90s, they would have those shows, like

01:13:54.000 you would see on those kind of like trashy talk shows during the day where they'd have

01:13:58.000 like...

01:13:59.000 Springer.

01:14:00.000 Morifovich.

01:14:01.000 But I mean when they'd have like, they'd have KKK guys come on.

01:14:02.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 They'd have like all these guys.

01:14:04.000 And there was kind of a spirit of like, all right, I think what you're saying is awful,

01:14:10.000 but let's debate it and let's hammer it out and let's see what...

01:14:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:15.000 I wanted to wrap up that point.

01:14:17.000 What we're seeing right now from the Democrats and the progressives is a reactionary movement.

01:14:22.000 And I mean reactionary in the sense that they are opposed to progress.

01:14:26.000 They like to claim they're progressives.

01:14:28.000 They're not.

01:14:28.000 And I'll explain.

01:14:30.000 Critical Race Applied Principles hates the civil rights movement.

01:14:33.000 Yeah, that is true.

01:14:34.000 Derek Bell has criticized the end of segregation.

01:14:37.000 This is one of the prominent, preeminent, critical race theorists.

01:14:40.000 They do not like the changes that came about, and they want to switch it back to the way things were 50-some-odd years ago.

01:14:48.000 They don't like the changes we've gained with free speech.

01:14:51.000 They don't like the fact that with the internet we got even freer speech, and it was crazy!

01:14:56.000 So they are coming into power, they are pro-corporatist, or you've got the progressives who are just siding with the establishment and they're trying to rewind the clock on freedom of speech and civil rights.

01:15:06.000 In California, they had a proposition in November that would have stripped the civil rights provision from their constitution.

01:15:12.000 And California voted very, very slim, but they voted no.

01:15:16.000 It was close.

01:15:18.000 These progressives and Democrats are actively saying anti-discrimination laws are bad.

01:15:22.000 Ibram Kendi is saying he wants discrimination.

01:15:25.000 This is reactionary.

01:15:26.000 Reactionary literally means they want to oppose the revolution.

01:15:30.000 Identitarian law was the law of the world for thousands of years and it was only until the U.S. 0.83

01:15:34.000 said civil rights we're going to enforce this and it was long and hard fought.

01:15:38.000 Freedom of speech.

01:15:40.000 Only since, like, the Vietnam protests and everything have we actually gained real freedom of speech throughout the past several decades.

01:15:46.000 They are taking all of that back.

01:15:48.000 They are authoritarians.

01:15:49.000 Yeah, I think that's absolutely right, and they would oppose any reform that still keeps the system going because that, by its very nature, is white supremacy.

01:16:02.000 This is what the belief is.

01:16:04.000 So this is the thing I want to say about you guys.

01:16:06.000 When you come out and you're like, war is bad, we shouldn't be having these wars, what American, for the most part, is going to be like, I disagree.

01:16:14.000 There's some, sure, the neocon types, I suppose, but regular working Americans overwhelmingly are gonna be like, I have no idea why we're doing any of this stuff, and why am I paying taxes for this?

01:16:23.000 Most of them don't even know about half the wars.

01:16:25.000 I mean, most of them don't even know we have a war in Somalia, or in Yemen.

01:16:29.000 They don't know about this.

01:16:30.000 Yemen is probably the worst thing that's happening in the world right now, and nobody even knows about it. 1.00

01:16:35.000 The greatest starvation of any human history, in human history, I think.

01:16:38.000 Or at least the past hundred years.

01:16:40.000 Wasn't it WikiLeaks that revealed a lot of the stuff with Yemen?

01:16:42.000 The cablegate stuff?

01:16:43.000 They revealed a bunch of stuff going on in Yemen, but that was, I believe, before the

01:16:48.000 actual worst of it, which was really when the Saudis went to war with the Houthis.

01:16:52.000 The point I wanted to make with this is that not everybody is going to agree with everything

01:16:58.000 Sure.

01:16:58.000 But it seems like what you guys are for is what most people would say, hey that's better than the alternative and it's at least something for the people.

01:17:05.000 So what does the media say?

01:17:07.000 What is their response?

01:17:08.000 How do they answer what it is you guys are doing?

01:17:10.000 I mean, they'll probably use every media trick that they use, you know?

01:17:14.000 I mean, that's like, I think, to be assumed at this point.

01:17:17.000 You know, look, if you get close to being a threat to the establishment, you always are, you know, whether it was Tulsi Gabbard was a Russian agent, right?

01:17:29.000 A Russian asset or something.

01:17:30.000 Amazing.

01:17:30.000 Bernie Sanders was leading a group of brown shirts and Donald Trump, of course, was the worst Nazi because he actually won, right?

01:17:39.000 But I think that Americans are becoming aware enough and cynical enough to kind of realize, and this is part of the reason why the corporate press is more and more desperate and erratic and irrational, is that they're losing their grip on power.

01:17:53.000 You can only do this so many times where you call anyone who's a threat to you a Nazi.

01:17:59.000 Before people start to wake up to this.

01:18:02.000 And I saw a poll the other day that said that, you know, two-thirds of the American people say we never should have fought the war in Afghanistan.

01:18:11.000 And that's pretty powerful stuff, man.

01:18:13.000 The longest war in our history, over a trillion dollars, something like a couple hundred thousand people killed.

01:18:19.000 Let me ask you guys a question real quick, though.

01:18:21.000 How would you rate the current state of the national economy?

01:18:25.000 Bad.

01:18:26.000 Yeah, I mean, like on the precipice of disaster.

01:18:31.000 So I love this metric.

01:18:33.000 I've been using it for the past week.

01:18:35.000 Independent voters, the plurality say the economy is fairly bad.

01:18:40.000 Republican voters, the plurality says the economy is very bad.

01:18:46.000 In both groups, it's overwhelming majority saying the economy is very bad.

01:18:49.000 Republicans, 73 percent say it's in the bad category.

01:18:52.000 For independent voters, it's 67 percent.

01:18:55.000 What do you think Democrats think?

01:18:57.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:18:58.000 I already know the answer.

01:19:01.000 It's the poor owl.

01:19:02.000 He says it's okay.

01:19:03.000 The majority says the economy is fairly good.

01:19:05.000 Yeah.

01:19:07.000 How is that possible?

01:19:08.000 And I bring that up because what I think it represents is there are a group of people living in the matrix.

01:19:15.000 The media tells them everything's fine.

01:19:17.000 You are happy.

01:19:17.000 Everything's good.

01:19:18.000 They believe it.

01:19:19.000 The Council on Foreign Relations, man.

01:19:21.000 The media comes out and says the war is a disaster and Biden looks bad.

01:19:27.000 And these people are the ones sitting there gobbling it all up.

01:19:30.000 It's a coordinated media campaign, that's for sure.

01:19:32.000 Well, to answer the question that you said earlier, what would happen, like, what would the media's response be if we blew up?

01:19:38.000 I don't think we have to speculate.

01:19:39.000 Like, we have some experience with this with Ron Paul and, believe it or not, Gary Johnson.

01:19:44.000 Now Gary Johnson, in my opinion, they used him as a tool.

01:19:48.000 Um, and Johnson, because he didn't have the strength of principle that Ron and the courage and the consistency that Ron did, he allowed himself to be used as a tool.

01:19:55.000 So what I mean by that is, um, you know, everyone kind of goes back to Gary Johnson and the whole Aleppo moment.

01:20:01.000 Yeah.

01:20:02.000 But before that, Relatively speaking, he was being given fair and consistent coverage by Libertarian Party standards.

01:20:10.000 And then what happened is, now I'm thinking that what they thought is, so conventional wisdom is that the Libertarians pull more from the Republican than the Democrat.

01:20:19.000 That's actually not true.

01:20:21.000 It's pretty even, actually.

01:20:23.000 But then the polling started to show that he's hurting Hillary a little bit more.

01:20:30.000 And that's when the Aleppo thing happened, that's when the fangs came out, because, you know, he was peaking at 12% in the polling at one point.

01:20:39.000 And so, for people who don't know how the debate commission works, basically the debate commission gets to pick five polls, and you as a libertarian have to score 15% across three of them, and that's what gets you in the debates.

01:20:52.000 Which is a friggin' crazy bar.

01:20:55.000 And he was actually on the precipice of doing that. 0.85

01:20:57.000 It looked like he was hurting Hillary more.

01:21:00.000 Then the vans came out and everything changed.

01:21:02.000 But let's be honest, the Aleppo moment was his fault. 0.97

01:21:04.000 Oh, oh yeah.

01:21:05.000 You wanna know how I always explain this?

01:21:07.000 Ask me about Aleppo.

01:21:09.000 What's Aleppo?

01:21:10.000 Well, look, look, I'm not here to talk about Aleppo.

01:21:13.000 I want to keep it focused on America and jobs.

01:21:15.000 And I think the American people aren't concerned about things like Aleppo.

01:21:17.000 I think they're mostly... You're a great politician.

01:21:19.000 I mean, the funny thing... Exactly!

01:21:20.000 And Gary did... But that's what's kind of sad.

01:21:22.000 Real quick.

01:21:22.000 Dude, I'll give you the better one of that.

01:21:24.000 I mean, like, that was a way better way to handle it.

01:21:26.000 But do you remember... This shows you how much confidence and just not giving in to the narrative that you've been defeated is.

01:21:32.000 There was this one moment in the debates, it was my favorite moment in the debates with Donald Trump, this was back when there were all the Republicans, and they asked Donald Trump about the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and he goes, the major problem in the Trans-Pacific Partnership is that it doesn't address China's currency manipulation.

01:21:48.000 Okay, if you don't address China's currency manipulation, you can't get anywhere.

01:21:52.000 It goes on this whole thing about China's currency.

01:21:53.000 And then Rand Paul just raises his hand and he goes, shouldn't someone point out that

01:21:57.000 China's not involved in the TPP?

01:22:01.000 And Donald Trump goes, Rand Paul, why are you way over there?

01:22:04.000 What are you at like 1%?

01:22:06.000 Like you midget or something? 1.00

01:22:08.000 And then it was just like this, you just move away from it.

01:22:10.000 You're like, I guess Trump won that exchange.

01:22:12.000 I don't know.

01:22:13.000 Like what?

01:22:14.000 Even though he was like, you could be wrong.

01:22:15.000 And all this, Gary Johnson could have been like, I'm sorry, what is Aleppo?

01:22:19.000 And they go, Aleppo, Syria.

01:22:21.000 And he goes, oh, okay.

01:22:22.000 Well, the crisis in Aleppo, Syria is that, but if he had just demonstrated after that,

01:22:25.000 that he knew three things about Syria, he'd have been fine.

01:22:30.000 But he just kind of started apologizing and it was just bad politics.

01:22:34.000 He's a good guy, by the way, Gary Johnson.

01:22:37.000 But yeah.

01:22:38.000 Have you guys ever seen the Futurama episode where they unthaw the 80s businessman?

01:22:43.000 No, I don't think so.

01:22:44.000 So Fry, he's like, I'm from the era, same as you, so he likes him and he invites him into Planet Express, and he tells Fry, he's like, what do you do when someone asks you about something you don't know?

01:22:52.000 Don't tell me about X, I'll tell you about X!

01:22:55.000 X is not the problem!

01:22:56.000 Or something like that.

01:22:57.000 Just like, politician answers.

01:22:59.000 Something.

01:22:59.000 It's beautiful.

01:23:00.000 I actually think the Gary Johnson thing is a really good cautionary tale on how to deal with this stuff, because compare it to Ron Paul in 2012.

01:23:06.000 The main thing that they try to do with Ron Paul in 2012 is block him out.

01:23:11.000 act like he didn't exist. He was getting first, second place in straw poll, or well all the straw

01:23:16.000 polls he was dominating, especially the online ones, but then he was actually like looking like

01:23:19.000 he was going to win Iowa, New Hampshire, and they just they just said well first place is such and

01:23:23.000 such in third places, you know, and it just completely rode him out. But what that served to do

01:23:28.000 is inflame the grassroots that much more, and then and and they and the media can never admit that

01:23:34.000 it's wrong, so it starts this cycle, and it's the same thing that happened with Jordan Peterson. 0.93

01:23:39.000 You go out there and you say the truth, you say some bold shit that's true, and and then the media 0.77

01:23:46.000 wants to destroy you for doing that, for going against their narrative, and then if you just 0.98

01:23:50.000 play it right, they will, you will get free press. Trump did it in

01:23:54.000 It's just send in Michael Malice.

01:23:55.000 too, but in a different way.

01:23:56.000 They will just continually in their inability to admit that

01:23:59.000 they're wrong, go after you again and again and again and again.

01:24:02.000 And you can, you know, snowball off that.

01:24:05.000 Whereas Johnson, I think, was happy just to be on the media.

01:24:09.000 And that allowed him to be their tool, which they were happy to do.

01:24:12.000 And then they turned on him when it looked like it wasn't going the way

01:24:14.000 that they anticipated.

01:24:15.000 We've got a really simple solution for this. It's just send in Michael

01:24:19.000 Malice.

01:24:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:21.000 That will always be our solution Whenever in doubt, we hit the malice button.

01:24:26.000 But people need to understand, Michael is a genius.

01:24:29.000 It's not just about his comedic wit.

01:24:31.000 Smart guy, Michael.

01:24:31.000 We're big fans.

01:24:32.000 It's that he just knows so much.

01:24:35.000 He's got a good memory, he's got a good wit, he's got a good understanding of history and philosophy.

01:24:39.000 He would run circles around these people.

01:24:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:42.000 No, that is our that is our ace in the hole is Michael Malek.

01:24:45.000 No, listen, but that is also there's there's something to the fact that and I've done a fair amount of like cable news shows.

01:24:54.000 And there are exceptions to this.

01:24:55.000 There are some some really smart and impressive people in cable news, but they're few and far between.

01:25:00.000 And the vast majority of people on there, it is astounding how little they know.

01:25:06.000 How weak their arguments are.

01:25:08.000 I mean, these are people, like, I'd say the majority of people that you see on cable news straight up could not do a show like this.

01:25:17.000 Like, they couldn't do a show where you were just asking them about, like, oh, well, what happened in 1914?

01:25:21.000 Or what happened here?

01:25:22.000 Like, they don't know stuff.

01:25:24.000 And I'm not claiming to be the expert who knows everything, but, like, Michael Malice knows way more than, like, 99% of them do. 0.98

01:25:31.000 And they may look at him and be like, oh, this guy's a troll and he's being a clown. 0.99

01:25:35.000 But that clown is smarter than any of you guys. 0.99

01:25:38.000 And so this is an interesting thing, too, that's different than the Ron Paul days. 0.97

01:25:42.000 It's different than 2008, 2012.

01:25:45.000 There weren't shows like this and Rogan and a whole bunch of other big people who are

01:25:50.000 big.

01:25:51.000 Patrick McDavid, Lex Friedman.

01:25:52.000 Yeah, like these are huge platforms that have very in-depth, interesting, serious conversations

01:25:58.000 that reach audiences that are actually quite a bit bigger than a lot of the corporate press

01:26:03.000 audiences.

01:26:04.000 And that is a whole new tool that, if we really want to change something in this country, we'd be crazy to not Recognize that there's a whole different playing field that

01:26:15.000 by the way That's I think a big part of the reason why the whole

01:26:17.000 corporate press is freaking out about fake news And why we have to crack down on all these voices because

01:26:22.000 for the first time I think really ever they've lost their monopoly

01:26:26.000 They now have real competition. There's some University who did like a study or whatever and they claimed that I'm a

01:26:32.000 super spy I was a super spreader of election disinformation on Twitter.

01:26:37.000 And I just find that so ridiculous because my Twitter is just... It's not a serious display of news.

01:26:44.000 It's like...

01:26:45.000 I once tweeted, you know, what's the greatest band and why is it Radiohead?

01:26:49.000 And then a bunch of people got mad.

01:26:50.000 And then I said, I said the Foo Fighters are the greatest band of all time.

01:26:52.000 And then people are like, I don't, I don't use Twitter in a way that, but I guess that's their argument.

01:26:58.000 Ah, that proves it. 0.99

01:26:59.000 He just is posting garbage on Twitter. 0.99

01:27:00.000 That makes no sense. 0.98

01:27:01.000 But they put me in the same category as like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood.

01:27:04.000 And I'm like, I was telling, I was saying those people were wrong the entire time.

01:27:09.000 It's, it's this, what I think is with, with the smear pieces that come out against me, they're scared of one very, very big thing.

01:27:15.000 A lot of these big, even right-wing shows, they have funding.

01:27:19.000 Somebody stepped up and said, we've got a ton of money, we can give you money to help you grow.

01:27:22.000 We don't have that.

01:27:23.000 We just have the people who are members at TimCast.com.

01:27:26.000 So it's literally just the people.

01:27:28.000 And we don't have donors that are just, like, mysteriously giving us large sums of money.

01:27:32.000 It doesn't exist.

01:27:32.000 It's all from Mozart.

01:27:34.000 I'll do the Bernie Sanders.

01:27:35.000 Our average contribution is $10.

01:27:37.000 And that's making this whole thing possible.

01:27:40.000 That, I think, is a problem that the establishment will not be able to solve for.

01:27:44.000 Because like you mentioned with all these other shows, how do you just stop them?

01:27:48.000 Well, there's censorship for sure.

01:27:50.000 So they can certainly excise certain political opinions.

01:27:53.000 But the stuff we're talking about, it's not controversial.

01:27:55.000 People don't like war and conflict and theft and authoritarianism.

01:28:00.000 And lockdowns and banker bailouts and corporate bailouts and militarized police and the idea of the war on terrorism being turned inward against the American people, even if you really don't like Republicans, I mean Democrats, like Democratic voters.

01:28:16.000 Wake up, man!

01:28:17.000 The Republicans were the ones who supported the war on terrorism, and now they are the targets of the war on terrorism.

01:28:23.000 Do you really want to be the next people who support the war on terrorism?

01:28:27.000 You think you won't be the next targets of it, too?

01:28:29.000 Like, there are so many issues here, and I think, to your point, Tim, even if they were able to, like, even if they were able to, like, get you booted off of all media platforms, or, God forbid, something more authoritarian, like they, you know, some real Crazy, they snatch you up and get and you know, you throw

01:28:46.000 you in some prison and torture, you know Whatever they could do they could shut what do they do to

01:28:51.000 your giant audience?

01:28:52.000 Yep, who wants this type of stuff?

01:28:55.000 But you think you think anyone who listens to this show is then gonna go turn on Don Lemon

01:29:00.000 And watch him and that and I'm not even saying like, you know what?

01:29:04.000 Like, it's not that, like, oh my god, you're the greatest journalist in the world.

01:29:08.000 It's like, you're a journalist and he's not.

01:29:10.000 He's a propagandist.

01:29:11.000 Like, that's just not, anyone who's watching this show is thinking.

01:29:16.000 They might be disagreeing with everything I'm saying.

01:29:18.000 They might be disagreeing with everything you're saying.

01:29:19.000 But they're thinking.

01:29:21.000 When you watch Don Lemon, it's there to go, Fill me with fluff so I can feel like I did my part by knowing what's going on in the world.

01:29:31.000 They're not going back into The Matrix.

01:29:33.000 The people who watch this show or any of the real alternative media stuff.

01:29:37.000 Fox News called me an investigative journalist because I made some phone calls.

01:29:42.000 Don't buy the propaganda.

01:29:44.000 Positive or negative, don't buy it.

01:29:45.000 This is how crazy things are.

01:29:47.000 A lot of these smears against me will say, like, Tim Pool is not a journalist.

01:29:50.000 And I usually just say I'm like a commentator.

01:29:52.000 But I do journalism.

01:29:53.000 I literally fact-check all day, every day, and I make phone calls.

01:29:56.000 I call for comments.

01:29:58.000 And so when the vaccine mandate thing happened, I called the city.

01:30:01.000 I tried going to the mayor's office.

01:30:02.000 They have like an email web portal.

01:30:04.000 It barely works.

01:30:05.000 And so I called the city.

01:30:07.000 They said no medical exemptions.

01:30:09.000 I started calling various restaurants.

01:30:10.000 They said no medical exemptions.

01:30:12.000 And Fox was like, investigative journalist, Tim Pool.

01:30:15.000 And you know what?

01:30:16.000 I appreciate the compliment, or the statement of the work I'm doing, but because these people in media don't do that anymore to a great degree, and don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great journalists on the ground in conflict, doing investigative work, there's a lot of non-profits that do it, but much of the New York media environment won't even make a phone call, and I'll give you a really good example.

01:30:34.000 Did you guys hear about Mayogate?

01:30:36.000 No, what was this? So this is probably a bit esoteric for this show. But there was a story

01:30:41.000 I saw go viral because the North Carolina GOP tweeted out a quote from a restaurant where they

01:30:45.000 said, I'm paying $200 more per week in mayonnaise. And they said, Bidenflation hits North Carolina.

01:30:52.000 Because the Republicans tweeted it out, the left said there's no possible way someone's spending

01:30:57.000 $200 a week in mayonnaise.

01:31:00.000 They said if the consumer price index is a 5.4% increase, that means they'd have to be spending $3,700 on mayonnaise per week for there to be a $200 increase. 0.76

01:31:10.000 This is ridiculous.

01:31:11.000 Huffington Post, Independent, Any100, they all write it up saying something's wrong in Mayo Town. 0.86

01:31:16.000 This restaurant accused of lying.

01:31:18.000 You know what I did?

01:31:19.000 I called the restaurant.

01:31:21.000 And, uh, a guy answered the phone and I said, I see a quote from you in the press that you, uh, are spending $200 a week in mayonnaise because of inflation.

01:31:29.000 And he went, Oh yeah, so we go through about, um, you know, uh, 10 five gallon buckets per week.

01:31:35.000 They used to be $18.

01:31:36.000 Now they're about 36.

01:31:36.000 So, you know, you do the math.

01:31:38.000 And I was like, Oh.

01:31:39.000 Okay.

01:31:39.000 And he goes, yeah, we use it for our dressings and our sauces and it's in recipes.

01:31:43.000 So we kind of go through a lot.

01:31:44.000 And I said, what's the capacity of your restaurant?

01:31:46.000 He said 250.

01:31:46.000 I was like, that's a lot of people for any one time.

01:31:49.000 So you imagine you go to a Sunday afternoon restaurant, there's a 20 minute wait because they're full.

01:31:54.000 You got 250 people.

01:31:55.000 They all get mayo on their burger.

01:31:56.000 They all get ranch dressing on their salads.

01:31:58.000 So that's how much mayo they use.

01:32:00.000 These media outlets, if you can even call them that.

01:32:02.000 didn't even make the phone call to ask.

01:32:05.000 They saw a tweet and said, let's attack these people.

01:32:07.000 What happened?

01:32:08.000 They sent a harassment campaign at the restaurants of people saying, you're Republican shills,

01:32:12.000 you're lying about Biden.

01:32:13.000 One story actually accused the restaurant of blaming Biden when the restaurant was literally just giving

01:32:18.000 one simple quote saying, yes, our prices have gone up.

01:32:20.000 Thank you.

01:32:22.000 It's really unbelievable.

01:32:23.000 That story is a microcosm of what needs to be done, frankly.

01:32:26.000 Like journalism?

01:32:27.000 Well, not just journalism, but you took initiative and you did this one little thing and through that got to the bottom of that story.

01:32:35.000 And right now our society is having a serious dearth of courage and action.

01:32:42.000 So like, if I may, I kind of want to take it because what started this whole sprawling conversation was you saying, long-term solutions.

01:32:48.000 Like, long-term, what do we do?

01:32:51.000 I think you're starting to see the beginning of what has to be done with all of these parents going to their school board meetings.

01:32:56.000 Yeah, that's beautiful, man.

01:32:58.000 To stop these mask mandates.

01:32:59.000 But that's the thing, you know, NCRT.

01:33:02.000 Well, NCRT.

01:33:05.000 But you see, so like, the conversation is around the national news so much, you know, and who's producing the national news story?

01:33:12.000 The mainstream media.

01:33:15.000 Who do they serve?

01:33:16.000 The government.

01:33:16.000 So, like, we're kind of chasing a tail by doing that when really the action is in the states and the localities.

01:33:22.000 And there is a lot of action going on there.

01:33:25.000 And one person can have an impact by going locally.

01:33:27.000 I mean, a little story just in my personal experience.

01:33:29.000 I know, you know, given the vaccine mandates and everything, weed isn't the biggest issue here.

01:33:34.000 But, like, I'm just saying, I as one person went to two city council meetings where I live in Norristown, Pennsylvania.

01:33:39.000 Had a conversation with my chief of police, said, what's going on with decriminalization of weed?

01:33:44.000 And he said, you know what?

01:33:45.000 I don't know, but it's time.

01:33:45.000 It needs to be done.

01:33:47.000 I went and got some draft legislation, switched out the city of Lancaster with the municipality of Norristown, gave it to the city council, told them, hey, you guys are all Democrats.

01:33:56.000 The Democrat Party of Pennsylvania has weed legalization in their platform.

01:34:00.000 Shouldn't take me, some random libertarian dude, coming in here and being like, let's get this done.

01:34:03.000 This is a slam dunk.

01:34:06.000 A couple months later, it was decriminalized.

01:34:07.000 There you go.

01:34:09.000 Yeah, no, you're absolutely right that the only place that you're gonna make a real difference politically is locally at this point.

01:34:16.000 The whole, particularly the federal government apparatus, is designed, like as you were saying, Jekyll Island, right?

01:34:24.000 By design is there to protect the powerful.

01:34:27.000 It's not there in the interest of the people or of liberty.

01:34:30.000 But I just think that, like you said, it's like, That stuff that's going on at local levels, especially, there's something to me really powerful about the parents showing up to these meetings and just saying, we're not taking this anymore.

01:34:44.000 I mean, like, how, what type of level, like, you know, do you get to, like, there's got to be a line somewhere, right?

01:34:51.000 Like, I'll tell you, for me personally, I mean, my kids, like, my wife's pregnant now and I got a two and a half year old, so they're a little bit younger than this, you know, being in this world yet, like, there's

01:35:00.000 still, I still protected them, protecting them completely. But the idea that you're going

01:35:05.000 to mask up my child and then teach them race essentialism? Um, no. And like, like, over my

01:35:15.000 dead body?

01:35:17.000 Like, I mean, like, literally, if anything is worth dying over, that is worth dying over.

01:35:23.000 Like, you know, forget the, like, you know, you'll pry my gun from my cold, dead hands.

01:35:27.000 Like, you'll pry my kid from my cold, dead hands.

01:35:29.000 There is no chance I'm going to allow my kid to be propagandized in the most abusive manner.

01:35:37.000 I just don't know how, you know, and it's really heartening to see parents standing up against that.

01:35:41.000 Let's go to Super Chats!

01:35:43.000 We got a lot of people, a lot of good comments, so smash that like button.

01:35:46.000 And I just gotta start from where we're at real quick, because Gary Talent says, when are you going to rename the show The Michael Malice Fan Hour?

01:35:54.000 It's not a bad idea!

01:35:56.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:35:56.000 We'll rename it Michael Malice Fan IRL.

01:35:59.000 Fancast IRL.

01:36:01.000 We just sit here and stand for Michael.

01:36:03.000 It's got a ring to it.

01:36:05.000 We quote him more often than anybody else.

01:36:08.000 It's like he's a writer from the 1950s.

01:36:12.000 Well, you're starting a network, right?

01:36:13.000 You could make that one of the shows.

01:36:14.000 Heck yeah! 0.96

01:36:15.000 The Michael Malis Fan Hour.

01:36:17.000 And then we got one that's really interesting.

01:36:19.000 I haven't seen this.

01:36:20.000 Mitchell Davis says, Biden just banned import of Russian ammo.

01:36:23.000 This will cause ammo to skyrocket where no one can afford it.

01:36:26.000 There will be a shortage and companies won't have to compete.

01:36:29.000 Only rich will have it.

01:36:30.000 Gun control.

01:36:31.000 Wow.

01:36:32.000 I didn't hear that.

01:36:33.000 You know, there's a there's another story that I just saw related to the gun control issue where, again, it goes back to my the states and the localities and everything are where the actions at Missouri.

01:36:44.000 The state of Missouri passed a law saying that neither the state government nor the localities are going to be enforcing federal gun control law.

01:36:51.000 And now that's a Supreme Court issue.

01:36:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:53.000 Yeah.

01:36:53.000 You told me about that earlier today.

01:36:54.000 That is very interesting.

01:36:56.000 All right.

01:36:56.000 Tripsuck says, Last night in SF I went to see a play.

01:36:59.000 Vax cards were checked and matched to people's IDs at the door.

01:37:03.000 Dozens were turned away.

01:37:04.000 No refunds.

01:37:05.000 My family had to literally sneak past the guards to get in.

01:37:08.000 Also, Hamilton is cringe.

01:37:11.000 You know, we were just thinking about this.

01:37:13.000 In New York City, a human rights, a willful human rights violation is fined at $250,000.

01:37:19.000 A vaccination card fine is $1,000, then I think it's $2,500, and then $5,000, and then I think the $5,000 is the cap per violation.

01:37:27.000 So I thought about what would happen if, you know, I just brought some friends who had met who had disabilities, barring them from getting vaccinated, went to a random restaurant in New York, Walked in and as soon as the person said, okay, you got to show your proof of ID or vaccine, I'd say, well, I'm not actually here to come in. 0.69

01:37:42.000 I'm just a legal observer because I've got some disabled people who are going to try and enter.

01:37:48.000 And if you deny them, it's a human rights violation under New York city, state, and federal law.

01:37:53.000 I'm just curious to see what, what, which fine you're more scared of the $250,000 human rights violation or a thousand dollar COVID violation coming in guys.

01:38:00.000 Let's see what he does.

01:38:01.000 I'll be filming by the way.

01:38:02.000 Just, like, how will the shops react to that?

01:38:04.000 Because the government has put them in a position where they literally cannot escape this.

01:38:10.000 And the important point I brought up several times now is these companies have to fire their employees.

01:38:13.000 So now we're talking about, like, labor rights.

01:38:16.000 So listen, if you live in New York or San Fran, New Orleans, or Los Angeles, and your company mandates you to get a vaccine, but you legally, like, you medically can't because your doctor is barring you, Then you can take it up with, I think this would be the EEOC, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, I think what it's called, and they handle discrimination.

01:38:35.000 Now, the problem is, at the local government, you may get cult establishment people being like, we don't care, get out.

01:38:41.000 But if your doctor legitimately says, and this happens all the time, there's people who can't get it, you can't, then it is, I don't even think it's an opinion, I think it's a fact, that you are being discriminated against based on a disability that is not fair and it violates the law.

01:38:55.000 Let's see how these New York businesses handle this.

01:38:57.000 Not to mention, what would happen if like a hundred people tried walking into one restaurant and none of them had ID on them?

01:39:03.000 The whole restaurant would be jammed up and unable to operate because they've got an ID everybody at the door.

01:39:07.000 It just wouldn't work.

01:39:08.000 Yeah.

01:39:08.000 And so then they... an hour of checking IDs and business can't operate.

01:39:14.000 You know what, people?

01:39:15.000 You can't tolerate fascism.

01:39:17.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:39:19.000 Torin Danowski says, Dave, I just joined the Mises Caucus in Philly this week because of you.

01:39:24.000 Thanks for pointing me to freedom-minded people in Progressive City.

01:39:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:28.000 Well, thank you.

01:39:29.000 And that's, uh, that's Michael's, uh, hometown.

01:39:32.000 That's, uh, close to me.

01:39:33.000 And, uh, we're looking into, uh, you guys had Maj Touré on the show.

01:39:38.000 Oh, Maja's been on?

01:39:39.000 That's my guy, dude.

01:39:40.000 Maja's awesome.

01:39:41.000 He's a rad dude.

01:39:43.000 At some point soon, he's opening up the Solutionary Center.

01:39:46.000 It's like a community center gun range.

01:39:48.000 And the Philly Libertarian Party is looking to start hosting their meetings there, so that should be really cool.

01:39:53.000 Right on.

01:39:56.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:39:57.000 Joseph Groshek says, my company is trying to force me to get the shot.

01:40:01.000 Now, now here's my issue.

01:40:04.000 Doctors are the ones who'd be trying to convince you, not force you.

01:40:08.000 And so the challenge I, the problem I have with all of this is like, bro, your manager at your supermarket doesn't know your medical history, shouldn't be telling you to do anything.

01:40:17.000 So, you go to your doctor.

01:40:19.000 And you figure it out.

01:40:20.000 We had Kurt Schlichter on the show.

01:40:21.000 He's a good dude.

01:40:22.000 And his doctor is conservative.

01:40:24.000 And he said he's talked to his doctor about his condition, his age, and his risk factors and all that.

01:40:28.000 And the doctor said, I recommend it.

01:40:30.000 He said, alright.

01:40:31.000 And he's here and he's fine.

01:40:32.000 But to force people, without knowing anything about him, There's two big things that I don't like here.

01:40:37.000 Forcing people to out their disabilities, and demanding ID.

01:40:42.000 Not to mention, demanding a medical procedure is none of your business.

01:40:45.000 Like, that's just crazy to me.

01:40:45.000 Yeah, well, I mean, just like the idea of, like, creating this two-tiered caste system, where not everyone has these basic, you know, fundamental rights to participate in society, is outrageously creepy.

01:40:59.000 The slippery slope is just...

01:41:02.000 Unfathomable.

01:41:03.000 I mean, like, it's, it's, you know, you've now got, especially now that Biden's already pushing boosters.

01:41:08.000 So what are you saying?

01:41:09.000 This is just forever now?

01:41:10.000 By the way, COVID's never going away.

01:41:12.000 There will be variants here with us for, it's a coronavirus.

01:41:14.000 It's going to be here with us forever.

01:41:15.000 Well, that's only because you're un-vaxxed, Dave.

01:41:17.000 Yeah, right.

01:41:18.000 Real quick, though, there's, there's something interesting there.

01:41:20.000 Isn't the Libertarian Party opposed to the civil rights law?

01:41:24.000 Well, I don't know what the official Libertarian Party position is, but I'll tell you that the idea of banning discrimination by private businesses would be in conflict with pure Libertarian principles.

01:41:40.000 So the idea that if you own a business, like in the same way that you can discriminate

01:41:45.000 who you want to have as a guest on your show and who you don't want to have as a guest

01:41:48.000 on your show, you could discriminate based on race or gender or something like that.

01:41:53.000 I don't have to agree with it, but I could accept that that's your right.

01:41:56.000 However, this we're talking about the government forcing you to discriminate against a certain

01:42:02.000 group.

01:42:03.000 And now you're getting into Jim Crow categories.

01:42:06.000 I mean, again, I'm just saying, like, I don't know what other legal president to cite that would be forced discrimination by private businesses under the law.

01:42:14.000 Jim Crow comes to mind. 0.56

01:42:16.000 This is interesting.

01:42:17.000 The inverse would actually be if private businesses started saying they were choosing to discriminate against people who weren't getting the vaccination and the government said, you can't do that anymore.

01:42:26.000 We're not even at that level.

01:42:27.000 We're at the level where the government is forcing the businesses. 0.98

01:42:30.000 And the businesses I talked to when I called said, we're sorry, we don't want to do this.

01:42:33.000 We're just following the mayor's orders.

01:42:35.000 So yes, and by the way, as much as I would be appalled and hate it if businesses were voluntarily discriminating against non-vaccinated people, although I will say perhaps there could be some businesses where it made sense, okay? 0.95

01:42:51.000 Like I saw like some cruise lines doing it and I kind of understand where on cruise ships they'd be concerned, although this was before the Delta variant and we found out you could still get it and pass it along and all that, but I'll just say As much as I would be appalled by that, I wouldn't support legislating that they're not allowed to do that, having the government force them to not do that.

01:43:11.000 I would, however, say, you know what? 0.66

01:43:13.000 You're going to lose a ton of business and just get completely destroyed in the market for this dumb decision. 1.00

01:43:18.000 And blast them. 0.98

01:43:19.000 I'm going to read the super chat, but first I just want to ask a quick question for some people who may need clarification.

01:43:25.000 You guys are not for open borders.

01:43:27.000 No.

01:43:30.000 So it gets sticky because there is a spectrum within libertarianism.

01:43:35.000 So you've got anarchists, you've got small government types, and because of that it creates a spectrum of what is canon within libertarianism.

01:43:46.000 But the Mises Caucus is not for open borders.

01:43:48.000 There are probably some people in the Mises Caucus who are, and some people who aren't.

01:43:52.000 No, there's a lot of people in the Mises Caucus who are open borders.

01:43:55.000 But our official position on borders is that because there is... So the idea of the Mises Caucus is that we focus on the 80% that libertarians agree on.

01:44:03.000 The wars, the growth of government, taxes, all this stuff.

01:44:07.000 And not on the stuff that divides us, like borders.

01:44:10.000 And, you know, people can get really zealous about the open border thing.

01:44:15.000 And because there legitimately is a spectrum of thought that's what I would call canon within libertarianism.

01:44:20.000 I mean, just the idea that, well, the borderlands should be owned by the government versus borderlands should be privately owned.

01:44:26.000 That really creates a spectrum of two different strains of thought.

01:44:29.000 So we just basically, we don't have an official position on that.

01:44:33.000 If you want to, like, if you are within that spectrum, you're cool with us.

01:44:37.000 Yeah.

01:44:37.000 Well, I'll just say, like, my position on the issue, because I know there are people in the Mises caucus who are open borders and there are who are not.

01:44:44.000 I am not for open borders, and I don't think that that's the proper libertarian position.

01:44:48.000 The idea that libertarianism is basically to me the belief that you own yourself, that

01:44:57.000 you believe in the non-aggression principle and private property rights.

01:45:01.000 That's more or less where you get libertarianism, free markets, the whole philosophy of peace

01:45:06.000 and prosperity.

01:45:07.000 And borders are private.

01:45:08.000 Borders, the idea that if the government has commons, that those commons should be open

01:45:14.000 to everybody is not at all deduced from libertarian principles.

01:45:19.000 And the truth is that if the government taxes or, as libertarians believe, robs from the

01:45:24.000 domestic population, right, that's our belief, that it's theft from the domestic population 1.00

01:45:29.000 to create commons, then those commons have more of a rightful claim by the domestic population 0.66

01:45:35.000 than any foreign population.

01:45:37.000 So I'm not an open borders libertarian.

01:45:40.000 I personally fall on Dave's side of that argument, but as a matter of our platform.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:46.000 Right on.

01:45:49.000 Thank you for covering the food shortages over the past few weeks.

01:45:52.000 I've been trying to convince my roommate to pitch in for emergency supplies, including food, and it has helped us prepare.

01:45:58.000 You can always go to SafeAndReadyMeals.com.

01:46:01.000 We haven't done a promo for them in quite some time, but that's the stuff that we have.

01:46:04.000 Yeah, that's great to have.

01:46:05.000 I mean, look, man, after 2020, if you didn't think maybe it's a good idea to have like some some type of supply of food, I think, you know, I would just say I think it's very wise to do as much of that as you can.

01:46:18.000 A big part of the famine in Yemen.

01:46:20.000 Is caused by Saudi Arabian air strikes embargo on their water supply. Yes, they destroyed their bomb

01:46:25.000 Yes, like like to to be clear what saudi arabia is conducting is with no exaggeration a war of genocide

01:46:32.000 With the intention of genocide they are starving the population intentionally and the u.s 0.99

01:46:38.000 This was launched under obama. You can go look this up google plague obama

01:46:42.000 Obama placate the Saudis.

01:46:44.000 He literally said we had to support them in this war to placate them because, you know,

01:46:48.000 we had kind of pissed them off with the Iraq war and the Iran deal.

01:46:51.000 So here let's throw the Saudis a bone and give them a war of genocide. 0.99

01:46:55.000 The reason I'm. 0.98

01:46:56.000 Oh, we're going to say I'm sorry to make it even more ass backwards.

01:47:01.000 Our original involvement in Yemen was under Bush as part of the war on terror because

01:47:06.000 they have the Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, a huge Al Qaeda cell that is in Yemen.

01:47:12.000 So you know who the best fighting force against Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula was?

01:47:15.000 The Houthis.

01:47:16.000 Oh yeah, so this is the other, like, little twist to throw into Obama supporting the world.

01:47:22.000 Which, by the way, Trump continued all four years of his presidency, so don't let him off the hook for this either, and made huge deals with the Saudis.

01:47:29.000 But yeah, so you have the Houthis fighting against the Saudis, al-Qaeda on the side of the Saudis, America coming in on the side of al-Qaeda and the Saudis fighting against the Houthis who were the enemies of al-Qaeda.

01:47:42.000 But we were originally, to some extent, supporting the Houthis As part of the War on Terror, and then just like the Mujahideen, it all flipped and... Well, listen, that's the other thing that's so criminal, and this really falls on Obama, and Trump was a little bit better, but not much, but better than Obama on this, is that in Libya, Syria, and in Yemen, he fought on the side of Al Qaeda, and in both Libya and Yemen, actually funded and armed Al Qaeda.

01:48:09.000 And, you know, a lot of people throw the term treason But the literal definition of treason is giving aid and arms to the enemy, right?

01:48:21.000 During war.

01:48:23.000 And that is what Obama and John Brennan and as well as, you know, some other powerful people are guilty of.

01:48:31.000 Keegan Hodder says, Dave, I know you don't believe in intellectual property and piracy.

01:48:34.000 Tim, I know you strongly believe in these things.

01:48:36.000 Please discuss.

01:48:37.000 So you don't believe in intellectual property and piracy?

01:48:42.000 Well, I don't believe in intellectual property in the sense that it's property.

01:48:46.000 You know, so it's not that there should be, like, this is like kind of abstract philosophical stuff, but the idea that, like, if someone takes your property, you have a right to use force to stop them from taking your property.

01:49:00.000 If someone downloads your podcast or something like that without permission, no, listen, you can make agreements with different companies that host it, that penalize them in some way.

01:49:09.000 But what I mean is that it's not a property right in the same way that a physical property right is a property right.

01:49:15.000 So you make contractual agreements with someone and you protect against that.

01:49:19.000 But no, do I think someone could be thrown in jail for like downloading music illegally?

01:49:26.000 No.

01:49:26.000 We agree.

01:49:27.000 I think if someone steals your property, you have a right to take it back in some way.

01:49:33.000 So it's criminal versus civil.

01:49:34.000 Yes, kind of, right, more or less.

01:49:36.000 I think piracy, stealing someone's intellectual property, is a civil thing.

01:49:39.000 It's like you take them to court, you sue them, you say, hey, look, this was something I developed, and then they ripped it off somehow.

01:49:44.000 And the criminal action could be if they hacked it or something.

01:49:47.000 Yeah, well, that's a whole different story.

01:49:49.000 Because hacking is kind of breaking into something.

01:49:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:52.000 So that's kind of a different thing.

01:49:53.000 But I also think that most of the time that type of stuff should be dealt within the realm of contractual agreements.

01:50:00.000 Exactly.

01:50:00.000 I'm trying to figure out technological solutions.

01:50:02.000 So like if you sold my song on the web, you'd get paid with a cryptocurrency that would automatically detect that I was the creator and siphon a percentage of the payment to the creator.

01:50:12.000 Right.

01:50:13.000 So that you could have like entice a thousand people to sell my mp3s And I would give them each 1% of every sale so you have people like organizing huge websites of like aggregated music to sell or they'd be making them.

01:50:25.000 And also just that the truth is that intellectual property like we're all using like almost like the most generous examples where we would all be kind of sympathetic like yeah you shouldn't really take that person's work with that but the way intellectual property is actually enforced through the law there are far more egregious violations of that where like Like, look, the idea, almost in like the most abstract sense, right?

01:50:46.000 It's like, if you were on a desert island, and you found like some shells, and you made like a necklace, like a shell necklace out of that, and you're like, well I worked, that took me like an hour to do, so that's my property, I mixed my labor with the earth, you know, the most Lockean, just acquisition of property, that's my property.

01:51:02.000 And someone ran up and snatched it off your neck, you'd be like, that person's a thief, I think you have the right to go tackle him and take it back.

01:51:08.000 That's yours.

01:51:09.000 You worked for that, not them.

01:51:10.000 But if you went and made a little shell necklace, and then said, I am now the creator of shell necklaces, and anyone else who makes a shell necklace, I own the intellectual property of shell necklace, and now if someone else made it, I'm gonna go rip that off your neck.

01:51:24.000 Because I am the – well, now you're the aggressor, not the – so that's where like intellectual property gets into this weird area where you can't just – it's a little bit different if you claim something like your podcast or your art or your creation, but you can't just like – the idea of just creating a product and then claiming that you own all future ones is a little bit – Zanzibar says I was raised Democrat, swung right during Trump, but embraced libertarianism when I found the LPMC.

01:51:52.000 I've never wanted to join a party more.

01:51:54.000 Dave Smith for president.

01:51:56.000 There you go.

01:51:57.000 That's a rumor.

01:51:58.000 That's a rumor.

01:51:59.000 I haven't heard it.

01:52:00.000 All right.

01:52:01.000 YouTube says, you need to have George Gammon on the show.

01:52:03.000 His recent video on Bitcoin was excellent.

01:52:05.000 He's held events with Ron Paul and G. Edward Griffin as the headliners, and he's also open to traveling.

01:52:10.000 You could also ask him about the suit against the Federal Reserve he's embarked on.

01:52:13.000 Oh, I'd like to hear that.

01:52:14.000 That all sounded like an excellent recommendation to me.

01:52:17.000 You know what the greatest thing about wokeness is?

01:52:19.000 What's that?

01:52:19.000 Well, there's two things that you need to understand.

01:52:21.000 First is, go broke.

01:52:23.000 And then the fact that the Federal Reserve has been embracing woke policies.

01:52:27.000 So I'm kind of like, oh man, I don't know, maybe the Federal Reserve getting woke, what does that mean?

01:52:33.000 The Fed, the CIA, they got a lot.

01:52:35.000 The Fed going broke without loosening up legal tender laws would be ugly.

01:52:40.000 I want to have Gia or Griffith on the show.

01:52:41.000 Have you worked with them before?

01:52:42.000 No, I mean, like, I've watched, you know, a bunch of his videos and read a bunch of his stuff, but I've never... Would you want to come on the show with him?

01:52:49.000 Yeah, dude, if you get G. Edward Griffith on, I'll... Yeah, absolutely, dude.

01:52:52.000 I'll come on any time with him.

01:52:54.000 Yes.

01:52:54.000 I might be able to help you with that.

01:52:56.000 Yeah, let's do it.

01:52:56.000 That sounds great.

01:52:58.000 He wrote the book on Jekyll Island, right?

01:52:59.000 Creature from Jekyll Island.

01:53:00.000 Creature from Jekyll Island.

01:53:01.000 And he also, I mean, he's been, like, he's been at it forever, man.

01:53:05.000 Like, he's been on top of this stuff.

01:53:09.000 Ruben Pedroza says the real way to make change in government is to enforce term limits or elections for all bureaucratic positions of power.

01:53:15.000 Fire the deep state.

01:53:16.000 Yeah, what do you guys think about term limits?

01:53:18.000 I mean, I personally don't think it would make too much of a difference because it doesn't change the inherent incentives.

01:53:23.000 It just shortens the time frame on them.

01:53:25.000 I think that's true.

01:53:26.000 I think it actually might even have more perverse incentives, you know, like where you could have someone like, well, you got a short little time span, you better cash in right now for all the revolving door value you could get, you know.

01:53:40.000 But I also think that it's like all of these solutions almost presume the victory.

01:53:48.000 So, OK, we're going to enforce term limits on all bureaucrats and all politicians. 0.99

01:53:52.000 Well, how the heck do we do that unless we already have control of the entire government?

01:53:57.000 Right.

01:53:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:58.000 So what's the step to get to there?

01:54:01.000 A lot of people always want to have these silver bullet solutions.

01:54:04.000 But the truth is that what we really need is to wake up a lot more people.

01:54:09.000 Otherwise, none of these solutions really work.

01:54:12.000 It's cultural.

01:54:13.000 Yeah, 100 percent. 0.95

01:54:15.000 All right, Weefy says, you are missing the depths of Hassan's hypocrisy.

01:54:18.000 He told Sargon in a debate two years ago, quote, profit is theft, Sargon.

01:54:22.000 To say that, then buy a $3 million house.

01:54:25.000 I'm gonna stop right there, because I ain't gonna strawman Hassan. 0.85

01:54:27.000 When the left says profit, they don't mean the simple money you make off your labor.

01:54:32.000 What they're referring to is when a CEO gets paid $13 million a year, and then somebody who actually makes, say, the bottle of water, They sell the bottle of water for $5, extract a dollar to go upwards towards a position somewhere else.

01:54:49.000 The general issue is scale.

01:54:50.000 So whereas we talk about free enterprise and capitalism in a way they don't understand, and they need to, if I build a birdhouse and the materials are $20, and I sell it for $25, I have a $5 profit.

01:55:01.000 Hasan is not referring to that $5.

01:55:03.000 He's saying, oh, but you made it.

01:55:04.000 You're entitled to sell it.

01:55:05.000 It's yours.

01:55:06.000 They're talking about hospitals that have board members who don't do anything, just absorb money.

01:55:13.000 And so their view of it is, if you are in a position as like a shareholder or something, and you're getting dividends and profits, but you're not doing any work, that's the profit they're talking about.

01:55:24.000 So you can agree with them or disagree with them, but I like to steel man their arguments and then have the argument.

01:55:29.000 Fair enough.

01:55:29.000 Yeah.

01:55:30.000 But I think you guys are very much in favor of if you own the business and hand it off to somebody else, you can take the money, right?

01:55:35.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:55:36.000 And I also wouldn't suggest... I mean, look, again, like what has to be made clear is that we live in a system and an economy that is completely, you know, it's nothing but a big cartel scheme and the rules are completely rigged for the powerful.

01:55:51.000 But if we're just talking in theory in a voluntary free market or something close to that, the idea that someone who's an investor did nothing, I mean, no, I don't think they did nothing.

01:56:01.000 They invested in that company.

01:56:03.000 I mean, go ask someone who's starting a company how important investors are.

01:56:06.000 They're really, really important.

01:56:07.000 And you know what?

01:56:08.000 If you don't have them, the whole thing doesn't get made.

01:56:10.000 So I don't believe in that.

01:56:11.000 I don't think profit is evil in any way.

01:56:15.000 In fact, I think it's a sign that a company is doing really well.

01:56:18.000 John says Hasan also has even said he couldn't do more in-depth analysis of videos without hiring more people, so his hours of streaming is not an actual hustle.

01:56:29.000 I disagree.

01:56:29.000 I mean, being on camera for 10 hours a day is work, man.

01:56:33.000 He does it almost every day.

01:56:34.000 I respect that.

01:56:34.000 He's on for 10 hours a day?

01:56:35.000 Yeah.

01:56:36.000 That's crazy.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, that's impressive.

01:56:37.000 That's a hustle, dude.

01:56:38.000 I'll say that is impressive.

01:56:39.000 And I don't think we need to strawman our political opponents or rivals or people we disagree with.

01:56:45.000 We need to always be like, here's the best they have to offer and let's prove it wrong.

01:56:51.000 So, look.

01:56:53.000 I say, if you're truly for the cause, you would invest in it.

01:56:58.000 Hassan is an activist, he's a commentator, he's a progressive socialist.

01:57:02.000 He chose to use his money for a $3 million house, as opposed to a $3 million advocacy organization.

01:57:09.000 Now, that's fine.

01:57:10.000 He doesn't have to do anything.

01:57:11.000 And he says that you just don't see the advocacy work he does because he's not pushing it out there for a PR campaign.

01:57:16.000 And that may be true.

01:57:18.000 But I'm just like, $3 million house in West Hollywood, you could move to Pasadena for a fraction of that cost, for a seventh of the cost.

01:57:25.000 So if you want to have that big fancy house in West Hollywood, you are choosing to live in the upper echelon of the wealthy ultra elites.

01:57:30.000 That, I think, is a fair criticism.

01:57:32.000 But I don't think we need to criticize the fact that he's working really hard.

01:57:35.000 Can I tell you?

01:57:36.000 He made a video trashing me once, and he strawman'd me pretty bad, and then I made a video back smashing him.

01:57:44.000 And now that I know he does 10 hours a day, I take a lot less offense to it.

01:57:49.000 I'm like, well, he's got to come up with something, man.

01:57:51.000 I mean, he's doing 10 hours a day.

01:57:53.000 Yeah, you got to bang out whatever you can.

01:57:54.000 Hey, look, look, the left strawmans, and they tow establishment lines.

01:57:58.000 That doesn't mean we need to.

01:58:00.000 So that's like, that's, that's a good point.

01:58:01.000 And especially if you're right, if you're right, like if you're right, you don't, you shouldn't want to censor other people.

01:58:06.000 I don't mean right wing.

01:58:07.000 I mean, if you're correct, you shouldn't want to censor other people and you shouldn't need to strawman other people because you got the truth on your side.

01:58:12.000 He said some really awful things in the past.

01:58:14.000 Yeah.

01:58:15.000 You know, about like Dan Crenshaw and about 9-11, but you, but people always try to bring that stuff up.

01:58:19.000 And I'm like, the reason I don't bring up people saying dumb things in the past is because it's not a political argument.

01:58:24.000 It's just you, you're, it's an ad hominem.

01:58:26.000 It's like, look at this guy. 1.00

01:58:27.000 He says dumb things. 0.99

01:58:28.000 I'm like, probably I say dumb things too. 0.99

01:58:29.000 Yeah, no one should be judged over the worst thing you said.

01:58:34.000 There should be some amount of, like, a charitable grace that it's like, well, let's judge you on, like, kind of what you stand for over, you know, like, the body of your work, not just, like, this one sentence or this one thing you said.

01:58:48.000 That's, like, kind of gotcha nonsense.

01:58:49.000 Yeah, well, you know.

01:58:51.000 We're not perfect here.

01:58:52.000 I rag on people.

01:58:53.000 I try to avoid being super mean as well.

01:58:55.000 I used to, like, really be offensive with my jokes back when I was, like, 15, 18.

01:59:00.000 It was all about, like, impressing my friends and using the most racist, just terrible.

01:59:05.000 That was back on Monday for me.

01:59:08.000 I realized in college I was like kind of broadened to a larger, you know, sect of humanity and I realized that it was offensive to other people that making humans the butt of jokes isn't necessarily the best way to do comedy.

01:59:19.000 So I kind of changed the way I... Just don't do the woke comedy where you make fun of yourself.

01:59:24.000 Yeah, don't do that either.

01:59:25.000 Let's read this one.

01:59:25.000 We got a good one.

01:59:26.000 one, Brett Stubbs says Dave left off a huge motivation in the history of the IRS.

01:59:30.000 It was also to do away with old bank notes from local banks.

01:59:34.000 You could only pay taxes in the Federal Reserve note.

01:59:37.000 So it was also for consolidation of a single note.

01:59:40.000 Yeah, well, there's there's definitely something to be said for that.

01:59:43.000 That's a very interesting point.

01:59:44.000 But of course, yeah, that is true that it really strengthens kind of legal tender, right?

01:59:49.000 Because the only thing you can pay your taxes in is, right, what, Federal Reserve notes.

01:59:54.000 So there you go.

01:59:56.000 Cody says, Tim, I'm coming up on the one-year anniversary of my father's passing.

02:00:00.000 It's been a harder time than I've ever faced before.

02:00:02.000 You and Crowder have been my favorite therapy.

02:00:04.000 I love all of you.

02:00:05.000 Keep it up.

02:00:05.000 Hey, man.

02:00:06.000 That's awesome.

02:00:07.000 Sad to hear about your father's passing, but thanks for being a fan and watching the show, and I'm glad that it's been helpful.

02:00:13.000 We're just some dudes who hang out and talk stuff on the internet, and we have friends over, so, you know, we do our best.

02:00:20.000 F the Magician says, you are the means of production, Tim.

02:00:23.000 Individuals are.

02:00:24.000 There's another thing I brought up in the Hassan thing in my earlier segment, because it was actually pretty long. 0.54

02:00:28.000 I have way more to say about it.

02:00:29.000 Oh, today?

02:00:30.000 Yeah, I ended up doing like a half an hour when I normally do the 20-minute segment.

02:00:33.000 But Hassan bought a $3 million house, which in this capitalist system, even with a welfare state, I think is fine.

02:00:40.000 But in a socialist system, because he brought up the word socialism, The house is the means of production.

02:00:45.000 The ability to have a big... When you're in the media, you know, we're in this big house right now with multiple rooms and different studios.

02:00:52.000 The house is the means of production.

02:00:54.000 That people have a space to work, it's akin to a factory.

02:00:56.000 We've got a bunch of different computers, we've got tons of computers.

02:00:59.000 So the computers are the means of production, this microphone is, this keyboard is, that camera is, and the house itself is the factory.

02:01:05.000 So, in a socialist system, I don't think poor, working-class people, the proletariat, would tolerate a $3 million mansion.

02:01:12.000 I think they'd be like, you are producing web videos by yourself.

02:01:17.000 Great, you're not exploiting anybody.

02:01:18.000 But that building should be open to others to do the same thing, and when you are not streaming, your camera and computer should be available to the public to use the means of production that you use.

02:01:29.000 I think that's what socialist proletariat would want.

02:01:31.000 That's definitely how pure socialism goes wrong.

02:01:34.000 Well, I mean, but in a sense it's not just how it goes wrong, it's the logical conclusion.

02:01:39.000 Right?

02:01:39.000 I mean, it is the logical conclusion.

02:01:41.000 I mean, look, these are, by definition, means of production.

02:01:45.000 You are producing things through these means, and you are generating all of this stuff through it, and so why should you?

02:01:53.000 Like, if you're not going to look at it through the respect of private property and ownership, well then why shouldn't this be for the benefit of the, you know, quote-unquote community?

02:02:01.000 I think a lot about socialism, big S and small s. Like, socialism, the government style, big S. Authoritarianism, the big A authoritarianism is like the government style.

02:02:10.000 Then there's authoritarian with a small a, like an adjective.

02:02:13.000 And how you can weave socialist small s or authoritarian small a functions into a democratically republic system.

02:02:22.000 And still have it function even better than if you hadn't woven those.

02:02:25.000 Right.

02:02:26.000 But I guess what frustrates me at times, and like even with the conversation we were having before about left libertarians versus like our school, they call right libertarians, I don't know, whatever.

02:02:37.000 I think we're just libertarians.

02:02:38.000 Ron Paul libertarians, whatever you want to call that. I don't I don't care if you want to call us right libertarians

02:02:42.000 like that's that's fine I'm not like offended by it

02:02:44.000 but that it's like so tell me the the distinction which I feel like left libertarians always kind

02:02:50.000 of beat around the bush because the idea that like well you can have socialism here or

02:02:54.000 Lowercase s socialism. It's like yeah No, no one in our libertarian school is ever denying that

02:03:00.000 you can't have a co-op well Go have your co-op.

02:03:02.000 There's co-ops all over the place.

02:03:03.000 Go have your co-op.

02:03:04.000 Do everything you want to.

02:03:05.000 The idea that you can't buy a plot of land and turn it into a commune?

02:03:11.000 Of course!

02:03:11.000 No one's trying to stop you from doing that.

02:03:13.000 We're libertarians.

02:03:14.000 This is exactly my point.

02:03:15.000 Right.

02:03:16.000 Libertarianism cannot scale past one community.

02:03:19.000 So with Left Libertarians, I always say, hippies on a farm.

02:03:23.000 You know, it's like Ian's sitting there and he grew some, you know, mangoes or whatever.

02:03:26.000 He made bread.

02:03:27.000 Ian made bread.

02:03:28.000 When I walk in the kitchen, Ian goes, yo, I made bread.

02:03:30.000 You want some?

02:03:31.000 He doesn't ask me for an exchange.

02:03:32.000 It's just, you know, Tim, you got the flour.

02:03:35.000 I made the bread.

02:03:36.000 I made the bread though.

02:03:37.000 So without me, you wouldn't have the bread.

02:03:38.000 You'd only have the flour.

02:03:39.000 And then we just openly share, like Ian can take the flour whenever he wants.

02:03:42.000 I'll have some of the bread whenever he makes it.

02:03:44.000 What happens though, when the neighbor walks over and walks up and takes the bread?

02:03:47.000 Yeah, it's like, and you see each layer, it gets a little bit more like, maybe that could work if you're real close with your neighbor, but then what about another neighbor?

02:03:55.000 And then all of a sudden, the guy from down the street comes, and we don't have any arrangements with him, and you can't just manifest one.

02:04:01.000 And so then when I'm like, stop taking my bread, and he says, you don't own the bread, I'm like, we're gonna use force to stop you.

02:04:06.000 Well now we gotta go to war.

02:04:07.000 A mini war.

02:04:08.000 So that's the idea of a feud.

02:04:10.000 Left libertarianism exists in very, very small random pockets.

02:04:13.000 There's one very famous commune of a hundred people where it's very well organized and it's a commune.

02:04:19.000 When one person announces they're leaving, they go to their waiting list and then invite one person.

02:04:23.000 Hey, this person in two weeks is gone.

02:04:24.000 You will come in.

02:04:25.000 We'll teach you the rules.

02:04:26.000 Everybody's equal.

02:04:27.000 We have a farm and it functions.

02:04:29.000 People desperately want to go there.

02:04:31.000 And it exists because they're not in a system that mandates they give their stuff to the government.

02:04:36.000 They're allowed to keep it.

02:04:37.000 Their commune retains the private property.

02:04:40.000 Well, that's it.

02:04:40.000 Right.

02:04:40.000 So my point right there is that basically... It doesn't scale.

02:04:43.000 But so my point is that if even when you say doesn't scale, the only way this is workable is under our private property system.

02:04:51.000 Exactly.

02:04:51.000 I agree.

02:04:52.000 So you come back to being us.

02:04:54.000 So my point is that You're just one of us who wants to live on a commune, which is fine, but don't... So unless you're... If you're calling it this other thing... Right, exactly.

02:05:03.000 It doesn't work, or it turns into some other thing, and if you're not that, then just explain to me the distinction.

02:05:09.000 That's why I said, as much as I disagree with Ron Paul on a lot of policies, he's always said, I'll leave you alone, and I'm like, great, I can do my thing.

02:05:15.000 Can I tell you, I was a left-winger before I found Ron Paul in 2007.

02:05:22.000 I found him in the Giuliani moment where he called Giuliani out for the real motives of terrorism and the evils of the U.S.

02:05:29.000 Empire and I was like, that's the greatest thing I've ever seen.

02:05:31.000 And then I started reading all of his books and reading a bunch of other libertarians and I was converted.

02:05:36.000 After looking at first when I was starting to read it I was like I gotta read this libertarian stuff to find out what's wrong with it Like I was gonna read it to like disprove it and then along the way somewhere I just got converted like they were better or but my thing with that what you just said is why I really thought in my silly naive young mind that I was gonna be able to convert a bunch of leftists and Because I go, this is, there's such a good pitch to the left here, is what I thought.

02:06:02.000 Because I go, look, if you embrace libertarianism and reducing the government, like drastically reducing the size and scope of government, then look, you end immediately all the evil things that you hate.

02:06:15.000 Now this is during the Bush administration, so like wars, you know, they were really against the wars at that time, and the war on drugs, and police brutality, and all this stuff that the leftists really hate.

02:06:24.000 And look, all that other stuff that you guys love, like Welfare and taking care of poor people and any type of this tough stuff like socialism I go you can have all of that you just have to do it voluntarily You know like so you can have that you guys just got to come together in your own voluntary community And then you can do all of this so isn't this the perfect compromise pitch to the leftist you can you can get rid of all the things you hate and have all the things you love you just have to come do it voluntarily and um

02:06:53.000 Yeah, that was not as well-received as I thought, and I have actually persuaded a lot more right-wingers than left-wingers, which I was surprised by.

02:07:00.000 Because they're mostly authoritarians who just want stuff.

02:07:03.000 Yeah.

02:07:03.000 So my view was always like this, you know, Ron Paul... And they want it quickly.

02:07:06.000 Right.

02:07:06.000 Ron Paul comes out and he says, I believe we got to do this thing and that thing and this thing, and I'm like, I don't agree with those things.

02:07:12.000 And then he goes, and if I was elected, I'd leave you alone so you can do your own thing.

02:07:15.000 I'm like, you got me.

02:07:17.000 I'm going to have my little farm, and I'm going to have my hippie friends, and we're going to be left alone.

02:07:21.000 Dude, Ron Paul said this once, and I think it was in, God, I can't remember if it was the 2008 or the 2012 campaign, but he said this thing where he was basically like, oh, there's all this excitement, he has tens of thousands of people around him, and he was like, so now people are asking, what's going on here?

02:07:38.000 What do you stand for?

02:07:40.000 And he said, my foreign policy, he goes, I would describe my foreign policy as the following.

02:07:46.000 I don't want to run the world.

02:07:48.000 I don't know how to run the world.

02:07:50.000 The Constitution doesn't give me the authority to run the world.

02:07:53.000 We ought to mind our own business.

02:07:55.000 And I would describe my domestic policy as the following.

02:07:58.000 I don't want to run your life.

02:08:00.000 I don't know how to run your life.

02:08:02.000 The Constitution doesn't give me the authority to run your life.

02:08:04.000 We ought to respect individual liberty.

02:08:07.000 And I always thought that was just the most powerful, honest, and humble political message I'd ever heard.

02:08:13.000 That really, the message is that anyone who's telling you they want to run the world or want to run your life, first off, does not have any moral or legal authority to do so, and also just doesn't know how to do it.

02:08:24.000 And that the only honest thing was to admit that you don't.

02:08:28.000 We have a good one.

02:08:29.000 C. Hennessy says, Dave, serious question.

02:08:30.000 If you were to be president and Taiwan was attacked, would you honor our agreements to assist?

02:08:35.000 Well, what do you even mean by assists in Taiwan?

02:08:38.000 Look, man, we gotta, like, I hope Taiwan is not attacked, and I root for freedom of people everywhere, but we really gotta get over this empire mentality that we can do something about.

02:08:50.000 Like, what do you wanna do?

02:08:51.000 You explain to me the logistics of, what, are you gonna get military in there and start fighting a hot war with a nuclear-armed power like China?

02:09:00.000 And then what, we're gonna, like, start just I mean, like, at a certain point, Americans gotta, like, take a slice of humble pie and recognize that, look, we just lost to the Taliban in a 20-year war, okay?

02:09:18.000 You think we're gonna take on the Chinese on their territory? 1.00

02:09:21.000 How about there's one problem that ever exists that's just not our battle?

02:09:26.000 to fight. I root for them. I do not want to see them fall to China. I don't like the government

02:09:31.000 of China. They are a creepy, authoritarian, quasi-communist, quasi-fascist government. 0.98

02:09:38.000 But what do you think we're going to do, man? You actually think like... 0.66

02:09:42.000 Nukes?

02:09:43.000 Yeah, like you want to go to a nuclear war and lose what?

02:09:47.000 Seoul and Tokyo and maybe LA and then we'll blast three of their cities and then after all of that we still won't be able to get the forces in to save Taiwan? 0.88

02:09:56.000 Where has this worked out for us?

02:09:57.000 Yeah, really?

02:09:58.000 World War II?

02:10:00.000 Yeah, it was a stunning success.

02:10:02.000 Only 60 million dead, you know?

02:10:05.000 You want another one of those?

02:10:06.000 All right, Jesse Meek says, The thing I like most about ShimCast

02:10:09.000 is the diverse people you bring together.

02:10:10.000 Amazing discussions.

02:10:12.000 Please give a shout out and consideration to a few other amazing tubers,

02:10:15.000 Liberty Doll, Guns and Gadgets, Good Patriot, Philosopher,

02:10:18.000 and Patriot Nurse, amazing people all.

02:10:20.000 I would also like to shout out Seamus Coghlan, the host of ShimCast,

02:10:24.000 who hasn't been with us for a week or so.

02:10:26.000 He quit the show and we took it over.

02:10:27.000 We did a joke when Seamus was here.

02:10:29.000 Oh, I love Seamus at Freedom Tunes.

02:10:31.000 Yeah, he's the best.

02:10:32.000 We changed the image to say ShimCast instead of TimCast.

02:10:35.000 And then he intro'd the show.

02:10:36.000 It was funny.

02:10:38.000 Seymour Mac says, Tim, I've lost track of how many times you've mentioned the Mises caucus in your videos.

02:10:42.000 I think it's like seven.

02:10:43.000 This is much needed.

02:10:44.000 Go watch The Fight Has Just Begun.

02:10:47.000 It's six.

02:10:47.000 I feel like I was just keeping track the whole time.

02:10:49.000 It was six and a half.

02:10:50.000 Just watching it intently, just like, uh, The Fight Has Just Begun, a Mises documentary.

02:10:55.000 Is that what it's called?

02:10:56.000 That's it.

02:10:56.000 Yeah, they just put it out.

02:10:57.000 It's a documentary of, like, the struggle of the Mises Caucus versus the other LP people in Pennsylvania.

02:11:03.000 It's very inside baseball for people who are, like, into the LP thing.

02:11:07.000 First of all, shout out to Doc who did the super chat.

02:11:10.000 But yeah, it's a documentary.

02:11:11.000 Like he said, it's a little bit more inside baseball, but it gives you an idea of what we're facing inside the party in order to red pill the party and, you know, the tricks that are being pulled and all that kind of thing.

02:11:24.000 If you want to get kind of an insider view of the kind of things that we're dealing with, that's a good thing.

02:11:28.000 And if you like what you're hearing in this conversation, go to TakeHumanAction.com and help us, you know, help us red pill this party.

02:11:35.000 TakeHumanAction.com is the place to go and understand what we're doing.

02:11:38.000 Just to be clear is that we're bringing the Liberty Movement into the Libertarian Party.

02:11:42.000 We're bringing that real Ron Paul libertarian energy that's serious and facing about, you know, the real issues facing the country.

02:11:50.000 And we are also in the process De-woke-ifying an institution for perhaps the first time in history.

02:11:57.000 I'm not sure there's ever been an institution that went woke and then has been de-woke-ified and we're about to do that.

02:12:03.000 Yeah, shaking off progressivism I think might be historic.

02:12:07.000 And also, Angela McArdle for chair of the Libertarian Party.

02:12:11.000 That's coming up this next year, right?

02:12:13.000 When's the convention, Michael?

02:12:14.000 It's May.

02:12:15.000 It's Labor Day weekend, so May of 22.

02:12:17.000 May of 2022.

02:12:18.000 Angela McArdle, she's awesome.

02:12:20.000 She's going to be the next chair of the Libertarian Party. 1.00

02:12:22.000 And yeah, check her out. 0.79

02:12:24.000 We got some critics of Hassan pointing out, they say, Ultronaut says, Hassan leaves for hours and lets others' videos go.

02:12:31.000 Red Dragon says, Hassan is on camera for 10 hours, but only talks for one.

02:12:34.000 He's inflating the screen.

02:12:35.000 JXC is right about everything.

02:12:36.000 Hassan watches videos and occasionally says, yeah.

02:12:38.000 Huh.

02:12:38.000 Okay.

02:12:39.000 Well, there you go.

02:12:40.000 That's challenging.

02:12:40.000 I watched some of his videos.

02:12:41.000 All right, that I could do a little bit more.

02:12:43.000 I just don't understand.

02:12:44.000 Why would you even want to do that?

02:12:45.000 I don't get it.

02:12:46.000 It's a hot topic.

02:12:47.000 Because you build up a big stream.

02:12:48.000 The longer you stream, the more people come, the more money you make.

02:12:50.000 He's on, um, what's the thing?

02:12:52.000 Twitch.

02:12:53.000 The video game stuff, right?

02:12:54.000 Yeah.

02:12:55.000 Well, they have good chatting now.

02:12:56.000 Okay.

02:12:57.000 Hey man, look! 0.59

02:12:58.000 I bet you thought OnlyFans was only for porn.

02:13:00.000 Not anymore, bro.

02:13:01.000 That's all done.

02:13:03.000 I think even if you don't think he's doing that much, like he's successful and he figured it out.

02:13:09.000 And I think you're allowed to be progressive and leftist and still be rich.

02:13:13.000 The issue, I suppose, is like if he was arguing that people shouldn't be allowed to be rich at all, which I don't think he does.

02:13:20.000 All right.

02:13:20.000 Fair enough.

02:13:21.000 Yeah.

02:13:21.000 Look, I think, you know, we can argue why his ideas are bad.

02:13:24.000 But I think being like, oh, you bought a house.

02:13:26.000 It's like, come on, man.

02:13:28.000 You're not you're not winning an argument by ad hominem.

02:13:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:13:30.000 Yeah.

02:13:30.000 No, I but I do think leaving Hassan aside or whatever.

02:13:35.000 But I do think there is something to be said for like, say, Bernie Sanders, you know, when he becomes a millionaire and then like, you know, like itemizes his deductions to pay his little taxes.

02:13:44.000 If you write your own book, you can be rich too.

02:13:45.000 Yeah.

02:13:46.000 Like there is something about that where it's like, dude, you were you just spent 30 years

02:13:50.000 attacking millionaires saying they should pay 70% taxes.

02:13:54.000 You're paying like whatever it ended up being like 15 18% and then given like two or 3%

02:13:59.000 to charity.

02:14:00.000 You if you really believe that, I don't think it's too much to say lead by example and say,

02:14:07.000 OK, look, I'm only paying 20% in tax, but I'm going to give another, you know, 40% away

02:14:12.000 to charity because I really believe that no one needs this much money.

02:14:16.000 And that then I then I would at least I'd still disagree with you, but I'd at least like take what you're saying seriously and be like, hey, that guy's got some real principles.

02:14:24.000 When you got two or three houses and you're making millions of dollars ragging on the rich, that's like, yeah, yeah.

02:14:30.000 Yeah.

02:14:31.000 I just don't like hypocrisy, but I do like capitalism and I like success, so I don't hate him for the success.

02:14:38.000 And that's the funny thing.

02:14:38.000 The people who are ragging on him for being rich are left, not right.

02:14:41.000 The right are like, oh, well, congratulations on being rich.

02:14:44.000 And the left is like, why are you rich?

02:14:47.000 The thing I said is like, what, should he just keep his wealth a secret?

02:14:50.000 Should he not buy anything with all the money he's got?

02:14:52.000 He's probably making a couple of mil per year.

02:14:54.000 I think to change a society, you need to be super rich.

02:14:58.000 Like if you look at the American founding fathers, they were super rich and like, I've lived my whole life in this like this pious or whatever, like charitable state where I don't want to get rich. 0.82

02:15:07.000 Cause I don't like the system and I don't want to involve myself in it, but it's ridiculous.

02:15:12.000 You want to be like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos controlling swaths of industry.

02:15:17.000 Then you can implement your political change.

02:15:19.000 But well, it's about the work you do and what you build up that gets you to the point where you have control over systems.

02:15:25.000 That's true, too, because if I had like six hundred billion dollars, it'd be different than owning Amazon.

02:15:30.000 Yeah, well, look, it all it all depends on exactly what you're after.

02:15:33.000 I mean, all of these things are kind of like, you know, they're different forms of power and they're different forms of influence.

02:15:41.000 But if you you know, being you can be very, very wealthy.

02:15:47.000 And use that in certain ways.

02:15:49.000 You can be somebody who's very respected and admired and use that in certain ways.

02:15:54.000 You can also just be a really great father or friend or son and that can make a big difference in an individual's life.

02:16:02.000 So there's all different ways to kind of like shape the world around you.

02:16:06.000 But yeah, there's no question that like very very rich people have a disproportionate amount of influence.

02:16:12.000 That's a good point, though, about the attention economy and the value of people knowing who you are and respecting you, because money can't buy that.

02:16:18.000 You still need some modicum of broad support or public support, because look at Bloomberg.

02:16:23.000 Look at all that money that he threw at his election and got laughed at.

02:16:26.000 Yeah, that's a very good point.

02:16:27.000 That's a very good point.

02:16:28.000 There are things that are maybe unmeasurable commodities in a sense, like respect.

02:16:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:37.000 That not everyone can buy.

02:16:40.000 Michael Bloomberg has a lot more money than Ron Paul does, but I'll tell you, he's not spoken of the way that Ron Paul is amongst people who really admire him.

02:16:51.000 Just the same way that freedom and responsibility are axiomatically the same thing, Power and competence and responsibility are axiomatically the same thing.

02:17:01.000 Well, and I think you could argue- Or they should be in any- Yeah, perhaps they should be.

02:17:05.000 I should say they should be, yeah.

02:17:06.000 Right, because perhaps things really start to collapse when they're not axiomatically linked, right?

02:17:13.000 So when people have power and don't have- That's when it becomes a tyranny.

02:17:16.000 Yes, exactly.

02:17:16.000 We've got a leghorn chicken that lays double yolk eggs.

02:17:21.000 And so we- I saw your chickens, I think I know which one it is.

02:17:24.000 It's the little one.

02:17:26.000 No way!

02:17:26.000 The little one?

02:17:28.000 Oh, that is not who I was going to go with.

02:17:29.000 Yeah, it's crazy because the eggs are massive and they're double yolks.

02:17:31.000 So I'm thinking like, we want this one to have babies, right?

02:17:34.000 Because we like this.

02:17:35.000 Because when you see something being done right.

02:17:38.000 So now I'm thinking about it.

02:17:39.000 Is the Paul family propagating?

02:17:41.000 Because we need more little Ron Pauls.

02:17:43.000 And if not, can we build robots and download Ron Paul's brain into... Rand is pretty incredible.

02:17:49.000 I mean, there'll never be another Ron Paul.

02:17:51.000 Ron is Ron.

02:17:51.000 That's true.

02:17:52.000 And I will say, I was playing different games.

02:17:55.000 Yeah.

02:17:55.000 Well, look, I was, I was very disappointed in, um, Rand Paul's 2016 campaign and I like heartbroken about it.

02:18:04.000 I really had high hopes for him and he just didn't continue the Ron Paul thing.

02:18:08.000 But I also do think now in hindsight, looking back at it, that it was a little bit unfair.

02:18:12.000 Like I was comparing him to who like my greatest hero ever was.

02:18:16.000 Yeah.

02:18:17.000 just because he's his kid.

02:18:18.000 And if I never knew about who Ron Paul was, and you asked me about Rand Paul,

02:18:24.000 I'd go, I don't know, he's just the best senator ever?

02:18:27.000 And like, so, you know what I mean?

02:18:29.000 It's like, to be fair, and he really has, look man, through this whole,

02:18:33.000 like he was great on so many different things, like the Brennan filibuster and a bunch of other things.

02:18:38.000 But through this whole COVID thing.

02:18:39.000 That NDAA filibuster?

02:18:40.000 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

02:18:41.000 He was great on that.

02:18:42.000 But through this whole COVID thing, he's just been nothing short of heroic.

02:18:45.000 I mean, what he's gotten Fauci on tape saying, and just backing him into these corners and getting him, it's like almost the perfect trap where he gets Fauci to say these things.

02:18:53.000 The next day, all the blue checks are like, Rand Paul owned!

02:18:57.000 Two weeks later, the CDC agrees with Rand Paul.

02:18:59.000 You know, like, it's just perfect.

02:19:01.000 And I, we all owe him.

02:19:03.000 Definitely.

02:19:04.000 Absolutely.

02:19:05.000 We'll do one more.

02:19:06.000 One more.

02:19:06.000 So smash that like button.

02:19:07.000 This one's very important.

02:19:09.000 Smash the like button!

02:19:10.000 Yeah.

02:19:11.000 Sorry.

02:19:11.000 Devastating.

02:19:14.000 You must. 0.61

02:19:16.000 We command you.

02:19:17.000 I'm just kidding.

02:19:18.000 It's not enough to passively watch this video.

02:19:21.000 You must actively smash that like button.

02:19:23.000 Thank you, Joe.

02:19:24.000 All right, Angela McArdle says, Mike, how do people become delegates for the Libertarian National Convention?

02:19:30.000 Ooh, that's Angela McArdle. 1.00

02:19:31.000 That's the future chair.

02:19:32.000 That is our future chair being at work on that stream.

02:19:36.000 That's awesome.

02:19:37.000 Interesting question, Angela.

02:19:39.000 Never thought of that.

02:19:41.000 So what people need to do is you need to join the Libertarian Party.

02:19:43.000 But what's more important than joining the Libertarian Party is joining your state Libertarian Party.

02:19:48.000 So if you live in Michigan, you need to join the Libertarian Party of Michigan.

02:19:51.000 Pennsylvania, the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania.

02:19:54.000 And then there's also your county level parties.

02:19:56.000 So you want to get active there.

02:19:57.000 And now it differs state by state, but ultimately you want to join your state party.

02:20:02.000 You want to show up to your state party convention, whenever that might be, and get elected.

02:20:07.000 But this is why you got to go to takehumanaction.com because if you go to that,

02:20:11.000 we have 230 organizers around the country.

02:20:14.000 And if you sign up on the email list on there, Not only do you join our email list, but you get hooked up with our organizers.

02:20:22.000 We'll bring you in.

02:20:23.000 There's a whole network.

02:20:24.000 They can help you become a delegate.

02:20:27.000 Right on.

02:20:28.000 There you go.

02:20:28.000 Perfect.

02:20:28.000 And that's how you're going to get everybody to start taking over the party and changing the world, or whatever it is.

02:20:34.000 Yeah, come on, man.

02:20:35.000 Change your town.

02:20:35.000 Look, dude.

02:20:36.000 Change your town.

02:20:36.000 Yes.

02:20:37.000 I know you've said it like a bunch before, and it's part of the reason.

02:20:40.000 And I understand we're all in this position of like, look, man, I don't know what the best option is to do this or that.

02:20:46.000 But you've talked about it. 0.91

02:20:47.000 You're like, look, the Democrats are a nightmare. 1.00

02:20:48.000 90% of the Republicans are a nightmare. 0.99

02:20:51.000 Maybe there's a few good ones here or there.

02:20:53.000 The libertarians who run as Republicans is their only way in.

02:20:55.000 That's what it is.

02:20:56.000 Well, right.

02:20:56.000 But then you just look at this and you go, man, I don't care what's happened over the last 16 months or even the last 20 years.

02:21:03.000 This is the United States of America, and we deserve better than that.

02:21:07.000 These two parties have basically committed, in effect, treason against the American people.

02:21:13.000 They have sold us out for their own interests, many times foreign interests.

02:21:19.000 In effect, they've committed treason against their own people.

02:21:22.000 What are we supposed to do?

02:21:23.000 Keep choosing between these two parties on which type of treason we want to deal with?

02:21:30.000 The American people, the United States of America, deserves better than that.

02:21:33.000 let's give it to them. When we talk about Press Secretary Michael Malice,

02:21:37.000 we're talking about in a presidential campaign, but I'd like you to imagine an actual Press

02:21:42.000 Secretary in an administration walking up to the podium in the White House and then calling on

02:21:46.000 journalists and schooling them better, like it's Kayleigh McEnany times 100, you know what I mean?

02:21:51.000 Just mocking them ruthlessly and then giving them a history lesson.

02:21:56.000 Can you imagine how good Michael Malice's press secretary will be?

02:22:00.000 I have to do this just for him!

02:22:02.000 I have another link on the Malice tip, actually.

02:22:07.000 Malice at one point said that if the party would do it, that he would take the keys to the Twitter if the party would do it.

02:22:12.000 The party ain't gonna do it.

02:22:13.000 But if you want to, if you want to make it, well, you can, you know, like me and you were saying, we've got to put public pressure on these, these companies forcing the mandates.

02:22:22.000 You can go to maliceforlptwitter.com and sign the petition.

02:22:25.000 And then we can go and say, Hey, there's 10,000 people.

02:22:27.000 It's like half the party.

02:22:28.000 Maliceforlptwitter.com?

02:22:30.000 Yeah.

02:22:32.000 No, no, that's, that is legit.

02:22:33.000 Like getting an actual, uh, Getting someone of that talent to run the Twitter account would be PR gold.

02:22:42.000 Make sure it says run by Michael Malice in the description so people can go to his personal page to know what's going on.

02:22:49.000 And I also wanted to add another point about like what you were saying about with the Republican Party.

02:22:52.000 In 2012, when Ron was running, there was Rasmussen polls showing that the only Republican candidate that was winning in the polls against Obama was Ron Paul.

02:23:02.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:23:03.000 I remember that.

02:23:04.000 And, and they went with Mitt Romney.

02:23:09.000 They went with Mitt Romney.

02:23:10.000 So yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not saying I understand it's 2021.

02:23:14.000 It's not 2020.

02:23:14.000 It's not 2012.

02:23:15.000 And I got to like move on from that.

02:23:18.000 But for all the right-wingers who understandably are just furious at everything that the left-wing has done to the country, you do have to understand that you had an option in 2012 to vote for literally Thomas Jefferson, a better version of Thomas Jefferson, in Ron Paul, and you chose Mitt freaking Romney.

02:23:38.000 So, I mean, like, grapple with that.

02:23:41.000 Now, if you're young, if you're like 20 and you didn't vote in that election, okay, I'll let you off the hook.

02:23:45.000 But if you are a right-winger who supported Mitt Romney over Ron Paul, then you just, like, you don't get to complain about anything.

02:23:53.000 You had your chance.

02:23:54.000 Forget the politics for a second.

02:23:55.000 We've spent a lot of time talking about how this whole thing is a cultural battle that's manifesting itself through politics, right?

02:24:01.000 So, and we also talked about how We're going to have to capture the counterculture.

02:24:06.000 Forget the politics.

02:24:07.000 You're telling me the Republican Party, is that going to be the counterculture? 1.00

02:24:10.000 They've been getting their ass kicked culturally for 60 years. 0.99

02:24:12.000 Yeah, you're right. 1.00

02:24:13.000 You're absolutely right.

02:24:14.000 In some ways, I think because it's a cultural battle is why we have to go through the LP, because we can actually build our own culture, build our own narrative, build our own stories, whereas the Republican Party, culturally, is hated by half the country.

02:24:26.000 That's right.

02:24:27.000 No, that's true.

02:24:29.000 Even as bad as the Democrats are, you look at the polling, like I go to civics, The Republicans are disfavorable more.

02:24:35.000 You know why?

02:24:36.000 Mitch McConnell.

02:24:37.000 No, no, because Republicans are sick of them.

02:24:39.000 Yeah.

02:24:39.000 So with the Democrats, it's Republicans and independents who are like, bleh.

02:24:43.000 The Democrats are like, yeah, the Republican Party is Republicans and independents being like, gah.

02:24:48.000 Is this what we get?

02:24:48.000 Yeah.

02:24:49.000 No, you're absolutely right.

02:24:50.000 All right, this is the last one.

02:24:52.000 Angela McArdle again, saying, I will give Malice those keys. 0.97

02:24:55.000 Thank you, Angela.

02:24:57.000 So if Angela is chair of the party, then she has the authority to give him the keys.

02:25:02.000 So everybody heard it right there.

02:25:04.000 You want Michael Malice to have the keys to the Libertarian Twitter handle?

02:25:08.000 All you gotta do is get Angela McArdle voted in as, uh, uh, uh, get her elected as the chair of the party. 0.98

02:25:13.000 If you wanna understand why, if you're not familiar, we've had Michael on the show several times, you gotta follow him on Twitter and then you'll start to bask in the glory that is the perfect trolling of Twitter and the, the just, it's, it's, it's glorious watching him go after these journalists and, and, and all that good stuff.

02:25:27.000 He's a brilliant writer, too.

02:25:28.000 A brilliant writer that was born in the Soviet Union and saw, like, governments gone too far from a very early age.

02:25:36.000 So when he talks about anarchy, he's really doing it from an erudite place.

02:25:40.000 And he's also an excellent writer, not just in the fact that he's, like, a super smart guy and he knows a lot about history and makes really good arguments, but just his, like, prose and his technical writing is just very enjoyable to read.

02:25:53.000 It's something I really admire.

02:25:55.000 As a very crappy writer, I really admire very good writers and he's an excellent writer.

02:26:00.000 He's got great range because, yeah, you can go on Twitter and see and laugh at him trolling people and it's just glorious.

02:26:06.000 But then you can watch, say, for example, the Lex Friedman interview when he's talking about what his grandma had to go through and started crying.

02:26:13.000 He's got incredible range and all of that stuff and, like I said, a great writer.

02:26:18.000 By the way, if I ever write a book and it's well written, Michael Malice wrote that book.

02:26:23.000 Just so you know.

02:26:24.000 I did not write that.

02:26:25.000 I did not.

02:26:25.000 All right, everybody.

02:26:26.000 It's been a blast hanging out with all of you on Friday night.

02:26:29.000 Smash that like button.

02:26:30.000 Subscribe to TimCast.com.

02:26:32.000 We've got the vlog is picking up steam.

02:26:34.000 So we actually had a midweek episode.

02:26:36.000 We went to a rock store and bought crazy fossils and giant quartz crystals.

02:26:39.000 It was a whole lot of fun.

02:26:40.000 So go to YouTube.com slash Castcastle.

02:26:43.000 You know why we're doing the vlog?

02:26:44.000 Because we've talked about how we can't just keep making content that is like, oh, the news is bad.

02:26:49.000 The news is bad.

02:26:50.000 So we were like, let's make something good and fun with chickens and the dogs running around and the trampolines.

02:26:55.000 We're having a good time riding motorcycles.

02:26:57.000 Just trying to make something that can, like, lift your spirits and show you some pretty trees and stuff.

02:27:01.000 And then we got a couple more shows.

02:27:02.000 So we're doing some rehearsals and screenings for the new Mystery Show.

02:27:06.000 We got a D&D show we're working on where it's going to be a whole lot of fun.

02:27:09.000 Dungeons & Dragons.

02:27:09.000 Again, to make culture, to inspire people, to make it so that people aren't just watching nothing but negativity.

02:27:16.000 We're taking that revenue from all of you guys' members and we're putting it right back into making more and more stuff so that you can watch it and enjoy it.

02:27:22.000 So thanks for all of that.

02:27:23.000 You can follow us at TimCast.

02:27:25.000 TimCast IRL basically everywhere.

02:27:26.000 You can follow me at TimCast.

02:27:28.000 Do you guys want to shout out social medias?

02:27:30.000 Oh yeah, at ComicDaveSmith on Twitter, TheProblemDaveSmith on Instagram, and PartOfTheProblem is my podcast, so go check that out.

02:27:41.000 So for me, I'm not the biggest Twitter user, but at MisesChair on Twitter.

02:27:46.000 We also have got the Facebook group, Libertarian Party Mises Caucus.

02:27:51.000 And then the big thing is, join that email list, get in touch with your organizers, TakeHumanAction.com, and help us decentralize the state.

02:27:59.000 Right on.

02:27:59.000 I'm also, uh, that's awesome.

02:28:01.000 That's a good one.

02:28:02.000 Decentralize.

02:28:03.000 Hey, my name's Ian Crossland and you can follow me at iancrossland.net.

02:28:07.000 I just want to show you this quartz crystal.

02:28:08.000 It's so cool!

02:28:08.000 This is one of the pieces that Tim procured at the gem store.

02:28:13.000 We've got quartz because it's, um... This thing's incredible.

02:28:15.000 What's it called?

02:28:16.000 Piezoelectric or something?

02:28:18.000 Piezoelectric.

02:28:18.000 It means that when it vibrates it produces an electrical charge.

02:28:21.000 Really?

02:28:22.000 Yeah, that's how the watches work.

02:28:23.000 They just use the quartz.

02:28:25.000 It's going to be like the future of electrical generation in a lot of ways is piezoelectricity when you can tap into the vibration of the vacuum itself.

02:28:33.000 We're going to get back to how we made the pyramids, finally.

02:28:36.000 Yeah, there might be something to that.

02:28:37.000 They were giant batteries.

02:28:39.000 I don't know about that.

02:28:41.000 It's what people could figure out how to build.

02:28:43.000 Stack up a bunch of rocks.

02:28:45.000 They put gold on the very top, which is a superconductor.

02:28:47.000 I do find all of that stuff very interesting.

02:28:49.000 Right on.

02:28:53.000 We only have a couple hours to go deeper into that.

02:28:55.000 No, I won't be here, sorry.

02:28:58.000 No, but in the new show, definitely.

02:28:59.000 That'd be fun, yeah.

02:29:01.000 Super awesome.

02:29:01.000 I'm also here, thank you guys all so much for tuning in to the first episode of the Michael Malice Fan Hour IRL.

02:29:08.000 I hope that you guys will tune in on Monday.

02:29:09.000 I'm not sure how much of a Michael Malice Fan Hour IRL it will be that day, but it's going to be awesome then as well.

02:29:14.000 You guys may please follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids because I am approaching Sour Patch Kids and followers.

02:29:20.000 I'm excited about that.

02:29:22.000 And, uh, we got Steve Bannon next Tuesday.

02:29:25.000 So we wanted to follow up because, uh, he made some predictions about schools and what the parents were going to do.

02:29:31.000 And I think he was correct.

02:29:33.000 He said the parents were going to flip out.

02:29:34.000 So we're going to follow up with that.

02:29:35.000 And then we'll obviously follow up with some other, you know, uh, political issues, but that's going to be on the members podcast because YouTube would ban us if we talked about those issues.

02:29:44.000 But, uh, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see how it rolls out and, uh, thanks for hanging out.

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