Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - FBI JUST RAIDED TRUMP'S HOUSE, Trump Is LIVID w-Larry Elder

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00:00:51.000 Somebody requested I say that right away.

00:00:53.000 Had to do it.

00:00:54.000 We live to serve.

00:00:55.000 Donald Trump's home, Mar-a-Lago, has been raided by the FBI.

00:01:00.000 This is according to a statement from the president himself.

00:01:03.000 I am seeing reporters on Twitter say something similar.

00:01:06.000 I have another source who messaged me saying, another journalist.

00:01:11.000 They have confirmed it.

00:01:13.000 Seems to be completely legit.

00:01:15.000 The Hill is reporting definitively that Donald Trump's home has been raided by the FBI.

00:01:19.000 It's unclear exactly why, but boy, do we have to talk about this one, because this is one of those moments when you question how long until dark days get really, really dark, you know?

00:01:31.000 I don't want to say too much, but there are times in history when we talk about when people realized things were getting too dangerous in their own country.

00:01:37.000 I think the former president having his home raided by the FBI when he's already passively announced he's going to be running for president, basically.

00:01:44.000 And we know that this is an attempt to stop him from running.

00:01:47.000 Dark days indeed, so...

00:01:49.000 We're gonna be talking about that.

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00:03:44.000 Joining us tonight, it is an honor and a privilege to have Larry Elder.

00:03:49.000 Tim, thank you so much for having me.

00:03:50.000 I appreciate it.

00:03:51.000 Would you like to introduce yourself to anyone who might not be familiar with your work?

00:03:54.000 Ran for governor of California last year.

00:03:57.000 Got three and a half million votes.

00:03:58.000 Got more votes than virtually all the other 45 replacement rivals combined.

00:04:03.000 I've had a talk show for about 30 years with Salem.

00:04:05.000 Now I'm with Epoch Times TV.

00:04:07.000 Had a syndicated column for about, since April of 1998.

00:04:10.000 I missed one week.

00:04:13.000 I was taking off for Christmas.

00:04:14.000 You're allowed to take two weeks off.

00:04:15.000 I took one week off one year.

00:04:17.000 Outside of that, I've written a weekly column every single week since 1998, April, except for when I ran for governor.

00:04:22.000 I've had about a half a dozen books, two of which were New York Times bestsellers.

00:04:27.000 One was called The Ten Things You Can't Say in America, which came out in 2000.

00:04:30.000 And my last book is about my father and me.

00:04:32.000 We didn't talk for almost ten years because I had an issue with him.

00:04:36.000 We sat down for what I thought would be a five or ten minute conversation, Tim.

00:04:39.000 Ended up being an eight hour conversation, after which I realized what an amazing guy he was, and I cried and apologized.

00:04:44.000 We were very good friends from that point on for the next 35 years.

00:04:47.000 Wow!

00:04:47.000 Well, we're lucky to have you.

00:04:49.000 I have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, just so you know.

00:04:51.000 I didn't know that!

00:04:52.000 Corner of Hollywood and Vine, southeast corner.

00:04:55.000 Really?

00:04:55.000 You want to touch me?

00:04:56.000 Wow!

00:04:56.000 Yeah, dude!

00:04:58.000 So now you can stand at the corner and hear people in 25 languages say, who the hell is Larry Elder?

00:05:03.000 So it's quite exciting.

00:05:05.000 Well, we are lucky to have you, man.

00:05:06.000 I'm really excited for this.

00:05:07.000 It should be fun.

00:05:07.000 We also have Jamie Kilstein.

00:05:09.000 I got to stop giving my introduction after the guest.

00:05:11.000 I'm like, well, I'm playing the Dayton Funnybone, August 19th and 20th.

00:05:17.000 Me and my dad still don't really get along.

00:05:19.000 Hey, everybody.

00:05:21.000 I'm Jamie Kilstein.

00:05:22.000 I am one of the cast members and writers of Cast Castle, which you guys can see see very soon, along with so much other good stuff,

00:05:29.000 at timcast.com.

00:05:30.000 I am doing stand-up comedy in Dayton, at the Funny Bone the 19th and 20th,

00:05:34.000 Zany's in Nashville September 8th, and the Comedy Catch in Chattanooga the 9th and 10th.

00:05:39.000 You can follow me on Twitter.

00:05:41.000 And also, I just wanted to say thank you guys, all the people who have asked for me

00:05:45.000 to come back on the show on Twitter.

00:05:46.000 And there were fans, I met IRL fans when I did stand-up this weekend.

00:05:51.000 There was literally a guy in the front row in the middle of a comedy show.

00:05:55.000 There was a little pause and he just goes, thank you for your nuanced conversation on IRL.

00:06:00.000 I was like, all right, but cool So yeah, so thank you guys Hey everybody, Ian Crossland from iancrossland.net.

00:06:06.000 Happy to be here.

00:06:07.000 Larry, you said you also have an upcoming movie?

00:06:09.000 I do.

00:06:10.000 Uncle Tom.

00:06:10.000 Thank you for it.

00:06:11.000 I forgot to mention that.

00:06:12.000 The sequel is called Uncle Tom 2.

00:06:14.000 Uncle Tom came out on June 10th in 2020.

00:06:16.000 It costs about half a million dollars to make.

00:06:19.000 The rule of thumb is if you make three times your cost, you have a hit movie.

00:06:23.000 It made ten times its cost, had a higher IMDB rating than any of the ones that were nominated that year for Best Documentary by the Academy Awards, a higher Rotten Tomatoes rating, and couldn't get arrested by the Academy, even though we had a consultant to try and get it at least considered for consideration for an Academy Award.

00:06:39.000 The sequel comes out on August 26.

00:06:41.000 You can pre-order it on UncleTom.com.

00:06:43.000 And you can see Uncle Tom 1 for free, also on UncleTom.com.

00:06:46.000 Absolutely.

00:06:47.000 Excellent.

00:06:48.000 Excellent, by the way.

00:06:48.000 Yeah, I'm looking forward to talking about Uncle Tom 2 later in the show.

00:06:51.000 So, thank you.

00:06:51.000 Thank you for reminding me, Ian.

00:06:53.000 I appreciate it.

00:06:54.000 You didn't have to do that.

00:06:55.000 But I love you, man.

00:06:56.000 Thank you.

00:06:57.000 Lydia's back.

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00:06:59.000 Hold your applause, please.

00:07:00.000 My hand is in fact broken.

00:07:02.000 If you can see it, I'm gonna keep it to the chase.

00:07:04.000 I think it's a prop for sympathy.

00:07:05.000 That's true.

00:07:06.000 Hold your applause.

00:07:07.000 I can't clap.

00:07:08.000 It hurts very much.

00:07:09.000 I cannot clap.

00:07:10.000 Anyway, let's get into the news.

00:07:11.000 I'm excited for tonight.

00:07:12.000 All right, here's the first story.

00:07:14.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this is massive.

00:07:17.000 From TimCast.com, Donald Trump announces Mar-a-Lago was raided by the FBI.

00:07:22.000 The DOJ is currently investigating January 6th and alleged efforts to overturn the 2022 election.

00:07:28.000 I know that TimCast.com is officially NewsGuard certified, which is huge.

00:07:32.000 It's good news, right?

00:07:33.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:07:34.000 But I also want to make sure we're just clear, The Hill is reporting definitively The FBI raids Trump's Mar-a-Lago.

00:07:40.000 So while many outlets are saying Trump announces it's happened, there's at least The Hill saying it's definitive.

00:07:46.000 I have another journalist who messaged me, confirming through multiple, they say, confirming through multiple sources, the FBI has raided Donald Trump's home.

00:07:55.000 They say, or I should say, we say over at TimCast.com.

00:07:58.000 President Donald Trump announced the Federal Bureau of Investigation has raided his private real estate in Florida.

00:08:03.000 Mar-a-Lago is, quote, currently under siege, raided and occupied by a large group of FBI agents, the former president said in a statement around 7pm.

00:08:11.000 I mean, this is this is happening right when we're all excited.

00:08:13.000 Larry's here.

00:08:14.000 We're getting ready for the show.

00:08:15.000 He goes, the FBI is raiding Trump's house.

00:08:17.000 And I was like, what?

00:08:18.000 Yeah.

00:08:19.000 Like, OK, well, this is going to be crazy.

00:08:22.000 You see, the purpose of the search was not immediately clear.

00:08:24.000 Trump noted that agents executing a search warrant even broke into his safe.

00:08:29.000 The DOJ has accelerated its investigation into the January 6th attack on the Capitol

00:08:33.000 and further examined Trump's actions to overturn the 2020 election results.

00:08:37.000 Uh, 2020 election results to reign in power according to the Hill.

00:08:41.000 So civil war.

00:08:44.000 What?

00:08:44.000 I don't think so.

00:08:45.000 I think that this has been planned for a hundred years.

00:08:47.000 I'm not talking about the raid on Trump.

00:08:48.000 I'm talking about technocracy and, you know, the military.

00:08:52.000 Well, the military part of it came in the 40s and 50s with the opportunity after World War II to establish global dominance.

00:08:57.000 But like the Federal Reserve, they really want to control the environment.

00:09:01.000 This is just another stepping stone as far as I'm concerned.

00:09:04.000 I think it's a very scary development.

00:09:07.000 I thought at first people who said if Donald Trump gets indicted or if he gets prosecuted for alleged insurrection, We would be having some sort of violence in the streets.

00:09:15.000 I no longer feel this hyperbole.

00:09:17.000 This is very scary.

00:09:18.000 You know, for the entirety of Trump's presidency, Hillary referred to the election of 2016 as having been stolen.

00:09:23.000 She called Donald Trump illegitimate to the point where 67% of Democrats, according to a YouGov poll, believe that the Russians changed vote tallies in 2016 to get Donald Trump elected.

00:09:34.000 Jay Johnson, the Department of Homeland Security Secretary, testified under oath.

00:09:38.000 The Russians tried, but they failed to change a single vote tally in 2016.

00:09:42.000 Yet, a super majority of Democrats believe that they did.

00:09:45.000 78% of Democrats believe the Russian interference changed the outcome of the election.

00:09:49.000 And Jay Johnson testified, we don't know!

00:09:51.000 We'd have to have a world where there was interference, one where there wasn't, and compare the two.

00:09:54.000 Since we can't do that, we just don't know.

00:09:56.000 But 78% of Democrats, according to a Gallup poll, believe the Russian interference changed the outcome of the election.

00:10:01.000 In other words, a greater percentage of Democrats believe 2016 was stolen.

00:10:06.000 The Republicans feel the same thing about 2020.

00:10:08.000 Hillary joined a lawsuit, Jill Stein, to overturn the Wisconsin election and filed a separate motion to have the recount done by hand. 1.00

00:10:15.000 Nobody calls her a purveyor of the big lie.

00:10:18.000 Her social media platforms have not been shut down, even though she said, as I said, for four years Donald Trump is an illegitimately elected president.

00:10:26.000 It's a double standard that slaps you in the face.

00:10:28.000 Hillary skated when she clearly violated the Espionage Act. 1.00

00:10:31.000 She had a private server in her basement.

00:10:33.000 She got and received secured information, classified information, lied about it, and skated.

00:10:39.000 And the law does not require any intent.

00:10:41.000 But James Comey did this big presentation, at the end of it he said, but she lacked the intent.

00:10:46.000 The statute does not require intent.

00:10:47.000 She skated.

00:10:48.000 This is double standard, and it's outrageous, and there might very well be violence in the streets now because of this.

00:10:52.000 There's a couple ways I think we can look at it, depending on how you want to give the benefit of the doubt to Democrats.

00:10:57.000 Donald Trump was very passively looking into the Ukraine dealings of the Biden family.

00:11:03.000 For doing such, he was accused of trying to dig up dirt on his political rival just before the upcoming election, even though Joe Biden had not announced nor even hinted that he would be running for president.

00:11:14.000 I mean, this is like a year and a half before he made his announcement at all.

00:11:17.000 They impeached Donald Trump for this.

00:11:19.000 We do have evidence of potential malfeasance.

00:11:21.000 I should say, Joe Biden did a quid pro quo with the president of Ukraine, fire the prosecutor, or you're not getting the billion dollar loan guarantee.

00:11:29.000 And they said, well, it was in line with foreign policy.

00:11:32.000 That's not the point.

00:11:33.000 The vice president doesn't have the authority to make these threats.

00:11:36.000 As it happens, his son was on the board of Burisma.

00:11:38.000 Burisma's founder was being investigated by that prosecutor who ended up getting fired because of Biden.

00:11:42.000 Now you could argue The Democrats are looking at that and genuinely believing that's what Trump was doing.

00:11:50.000 And this is what we've seen from them.

00:11:51.000 They've repeatedly said, you have to play the game the Republicans are playing.

00:11:55.000 If they really believe that's what Trump did, then this is a tit for tat. 1.00

00:11:59.000 Or we can operate under the assumption they're hypocrites and liars. 0.98

00:12:02.000 They accused Trump falsely and then are now doing exactly what they claimed he was doing. 0.96

00:12:07.000 And of course, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden are getting a complete pass so far.

00:12:11.000 Joe Biden has said repeatedly he knew nothing at all about his son's business dealings.

00:12:15.000 They got the laptop.

00:12:16.000 The laptop was dismissed as Russian disinformation by 51 so-called intelligence operatives right before the election.

00:12:22.000 16% of Biden voters believe that had they known about this story, they would not have voted for Biden.

00:12:27.000 How much was it?

00:12:29.000 6%, right?

00:12:30.000 16%!

00:12:30.000 16% of Biden voters say had they known about the Hunter Biden laptop story, which was suppressed by Twitter, suppressed by Facebook, they would not have voted for Joe Biden.

00:12:39.000 Clearly the election then would have been in favor of Donald Trump.

00:12:43.000 And Donald Trump's referred to as the big guy getting 10 percent on the laptop.

00:12:47.000 And Joe Biden, Hunter Biden's complaining that his dad gets half of all.

00:12:51.000 You mean Hunter Biden?

00:12:52.000 Hunter Biden referred to his father as the big guy and the big guy gets 10 percent.

00:12:56.000 And they've done this again.

00:12:57.000 And if you watch CNN, you watch Emerson, what I call Emerson be hee haw, it's like this

00:13:01.000 story doesn't even exist.

00:13:03.000 But on Sunday even Brian Stelter of CNN, their media guy, even he said this is not just a

00:13:09.000 right wing story.

00:13:10.000 It is something that's very serious and could jeopardize Biden's presidency.

00:13:13.000 I want to read the statement from Donald Trump here for you guys.

00:13:16.000 his announcement that this raid happened, he said, These are dark times for our nation.

00:13:20.000 As my beautiful home, Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is currently under siege,

00:13:24.000 raided and occupied by a large group of FBI agents.

00:13:27.000 Nothing like this has ever happened to a president of the United States before.

00:13:31.000 After working and cooperating with the relevant government agencies, this

00:13:34.000 unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate.

00:13:38.000 It is prosecutorial misconduct, the weaponization of the justice system, and an attack by radical left Democrats who desperately don't want me to run for president in 2024, especially based on recent polls, and who will likewise do anything to stop Republicans and conservatives in the upcoming midterm elections.

00:13:54.000 Such an assault could only take place in broken, third-world countries. 0.99

00:13:59.000 Sadly, America has now become one of those countries, corrupt at a level not seen before.

00:14:04.000 They even broke into my safe.

00:14:06.000 What is the difference between this and Watergate, where operatives broke into the Democrat National Committee?

00:14:11.000 Here, in reverse, Democrats broke into the home of the 45th President of the United States.

00:14:17.000 I mean, it's absolutely insane.

00:14:20.000 I think he missed an opportunity.

00:14:22.000 I'm not the biggest fan of Trump, but I do think he's the funniest president.

00:14:25.000 That what if while they were raiding his place, that's when he just stood outside and announced he was running for president defiantly as they're like just moving safes out.

00:14:34.000 He's like, by the way, I am running for president.

00:14:36.000 I think that's the move.

00:14:37.000 I agree.

00:14:38.000 I actually said this a couple of weeks ago.

00:14:41.000 Donald Trump needs to announce now before they try and pull some BS like this.

00:14:46.000 I also just want to say... I don't think they care.

00:14:48.000 I don't think they care when he announces, whether he announces.

00:14:51.000 They intended to do this.

00:14:52.000 It's just, again, absolutely completely outrageous.

00:14:55.000 Steve Bannon was just prosecuted for refusing a subpoena by the January 6th Committee, found guilty.

00:15:02.000 Eric Holder refused a subpoena by the Republicans for information on Fast and Furious.

00:15:06.000 They referred it to the court, and the federal judge, who was appointed by Obama, threw out the lawsuit.

00:15:12.000 Again, just double standard.

00:15:14.000 Yeah, Bannon was charged with a misdemeanor.

00:15:17.000 That was a misdemeanor.

00:15:18.000 I think it was two misdemeanors because of what, like two requests or something?

00:15:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:22.000 I just wanted to also say, no violence in this street, you guys.

00:15:26.000 Like if we, you know, if we, because we talk about...

00:15:30.000 Yeah, that would be the worst possible thing.

00:15:32.000 Because it's gonna hurt Trump supporters.

00:15:33.000 Of course it would be.

00:15:34.000 Yes, 100%.

00:15:35.000 And it's also... Well, because it's bad.

00:15:36.000 Violence is wrong.

00:15:37.000 No, but also, like, we talk about the both-side stuff, right?

00:15:40.000 We talk about the both-side stuff with this, where it's, well, we wouldn't have wanted Obama to be raided, right?

00:15:46.000 So we don't want Trump to be raided.

00:15:47.000 It's the same thing with violence in the street.

00:15:49.000 For everyone who rightfully condemned violence in the street when it was the left, it's like, we don't want to do that.

00:15:55.000 I think people on the left as well, when something unconstitutional happens, when something shady happens, when people need to be held accountable, still make your voices heard.

00:16:02.000 The media should still cover this responsibly.

00:16:05.000 But yeah, we don't need to, uh, no pitchforks yet.

00:16:07.000 Well, people on the left, uh, because Donald Trump got elected in November of 2016, there was violence in four, over four days in 40 different cities.

00:16:15.000 A number of people were arrested.

00:16:17.000 And when Donald Trump was inaugurated in January, No, and that's what's so frustrating is I wish that people, and I say this every time I'm on the show, would have principles and not parties.

00:16:37.000 And that means if your side is doing the thing that you criticize the other side for, not only should you call it out, you should be more upset.

00:16:44.000 But that describes the right.

00:16:46.000 Not every single person on the right, obviously, but today the right, as the media describes it, is an amalgam of a bunch of different political parties.

00:16:54.000 I mean, libertarians, like, it's funny when they meme Dave Smith because he makes a tweet about the left overreacting, and they say, here's you overreacting, and it's like January 6th.

00:17:05.000 It's like Dave Smith's a libertarian.

00:17:07.000 He rags on Trump all the time.

00:17:08.000 Dave Smith's also a comic.

00:17:09.000 Hey, what's up, Dave?

00:17:09.000 Right.

00:17:10.000 So the issue is, like, Whatever they describe the right as is actually constantly pointing the finger like, hey, that was bad, you shouldn't do that.

00:17:17.000 Whatever the left is, is completely oblivious or just outright does not care.

00:17:21.000 And when you call them out, they call it whataboutism.

00:17:24.000 I hear that all the time.

00:17:24.000 It's called whataboutism.

00:17:26.000 Benny Thompson is the chair of the January 6th committee.

00:17:29.000 January 2005, after George W. Bush gets re-elected, he joins 88 other Democrats to overturn the election, claiming that there was voter manipulation in the Diebold voting machine in Ohio.

00:17:42.000 And it wasn't successful, but he did not want those electors to be seated.

00:17:47.000 Nobody called him threatening the integrity of our democracy.

00:17:51.000 And Democrats tried to challenge electors in 2000.

00:17:54.000 Al Gore to this day believes the Supreme Court put George W. Bush in the White House.

00:18:00.000 Maxine Waters and others challenged 2004, along with Bennie Thompson.

00:18:04.000 And more states were challenged by the Democrats in 2016 in January than Donald Trump challenged in 2020 in January.

00:18:11.000 But here's the issue.

00:18:14.000 You've got a cult and everybody else and I feel like we can say that stuff all the time We can make the memes and post the videos.

00:18:22.000 Maybe maybe it will you know Wake a lot of people up But there is still a massive base of people that don't know don't care and even if you tell them that they're gonna say so what I know they're driven by tribalism and that's the problem right I think a lot of people On the left and on the right.

00:18:39.000 They don't even realize the scope of the bubble they're in.

00:18:43.000 They don't know about the algorithms.

00:18:45.000 They don't know about fact-checking.

00:18:47.000 They don't know.

00:18:48.000 They just see what the algorithm gives them and it's usually people.

00:18:51.000 This is what happened to me.

00:18:52.000 It's usually just people who agree with them.

00:18:55.000 And then I hear someone like Larry talking about even things about student debt and Black Lives Matter before the show that literally I didn't know.

00:19:03.000 Now, it's not Not necessarily the average person's fault.

00:19:09.000 You know, this is our job, right?

00:19:10.000 But it's not the average person's fault for not knowing.

00:19:13.000 It is their fault for once you do find out something that changes your narrative, not going, oh, damn, okay, maybe I need to change my mind or look at that in a more open-minded way. 0.98

00:19:24.000 I just want to point out how deluded, deranged I think the Democrats are. 0.96

00:19:29.000 Jamie Raskin sent me a text asking for money for a political campaign.

00:19:34.000 Jamie Raskin, the guy who falsely, who smeared me on January 6th hearings, including a clip of me reading a Fox News article alongside other people calling for a red wedding, texted me saying, I need your help, please donate.

00:19:48.000 He was, by the way, one of the 88 Democrats that voted not to certify the election in Ohio in 2005, January 3rd.

00:19:54.000 Like, unsubscribe!

00:19:56.000 We're busted.

00:19:58.000 Look, I've been saying civil war for some time.

00:20:01.000 Here's what people miss.

00:20:02.000 There's single layer issues, and that seems to be the only thing the left understands.

00:20:06.000 They don't understand what comes next.

00:20:08.000 But there are even many people that don't see beyond the first, second, or third layer of events.

00:20:14.000 Back in 2018, When I'm watching people fighting in the streets, my point when I said we're on track for a civil war is that the culture war you're seeing on the ground is going to reach the highest level of government.

00:20:27.000 There's no indication it won't be the case.

00:20:29.000 Now we're at the point where the FBI has just raided the home of a former president You can't get any higher than that.

00:20:36.000 The DOJ of the Democrat administration has raided the former Republican administration president's house.

00:20:42.000 They've arrested several of his administration officials.

00:20:45.000 They've shackled them.

00:20:47.000 It does not get any higher than this.

00:20:49.000 This shows the country to the highest degree has bifurcated.

00:20:52.000 What comes next?

00:20:55.000 I don't know, Kansas?

00:20:56.000 Believe in Kansas?

00:20:57.000 With what's going on with the abortion voting?

00:20:59.000 The only reason I'm very hopeful that there's not going to be a civil war is because people on the right have guns and most people on the left don't know how to fight.

00:21:05.000 That's not the issue, though.

00:21:06.000 The issue is the DOJ has been weaponized.

00:21:08.000 Well, that's not good.

00:21:08.000 So, you hear people on the right say, oh, the right's got guns, what does the left have?

00:21:11.000 Well, the socialists have guns, the Socialist Rifle Association exists, and Democrats are weaponizing law enforcement in ways that conservatives won't do.

00:21:19.000 Jamie, let me give you an idea of how scary it gets.

00:21:21.000 I have a friend that I've known for over 40 years.

00:21:24.000 He was my closest friend.

00:21:26.000 He has a son with special needs.

00:21:28.000 And he's convinced that Donald Trump, quote, mocked a disabled reporter.

00:21:31.000 There was a poll in 2016 before the election.

00:21:34.000 The number one reason likely voters gave for not wanting to vote for Donald Trump is because he allegedly mocked a disabled reporter.

00:21:41.000 The story was because Donald Trump said there were people who were cheering the fall of the Twin Towers.

00:21:46.000 And to be sure, there was a reporter who wrote a story about that.

00:21:49.000 When people asked the reporter about the story, he backed away from it.

00:21:53.000 And Donald Trump mocked him backing away from it and began shaking like this.

00:21:56.000 I don't remember, I don't know! 0.99

00:21:57.000 So more like mocking him in like a cowardly, dack-peddling way. 0.98

00:22:00.000 There's a website called Catholics for Trump. 0.97

00:22:03.000 And there are several videos where Donald Trump has used that gesture to mock himself, to mock an able-bodied person.

00:22:08.000 And furthermore, the reporter in question, his name is Serge Kovalevsky, doesn't go like this!

00:22:11.000 He has an atrophied arm, but he doesn't shake like this.

00:22:16.000 He speaks very calmly and very evenly.

00:22:18.000 So he wasn't even doing an impression of him.

00:22:21.000 And I sent my friend a three-page letter, Jamie, with a link to Catholics for Trump to show him that he's wrong.

00:22:29.000 And my friend, by the way, had a perfect score on his SAT, close to a perfect score on his LSAT.

00:22:34.000 He's brilliant.

00:22:35.000 And it didn't matter.

00:22:37.000 And I had an epiphany.

00:22:38.000 I found out that people who hate Donald Trump did not want to unhate him.

00:22:41.000 It had nothing to do with intelligence.

00:22:43.000 It was all emotion.

00:22:44.000 And this guy was invested in disliking Donald Trump, invested in this story.

00:22:47.000 It is not true!

00:22:49.000 So I have a question.

00:22:50.000 You are, and we ended our friendship.

00:22:52.000 He ended it.

00:22:53.000 So what I was going to say, what I crazy, what I respect you for that interaction is you reached out, right?

00:22:58.000 And you write the three page letter.

00:23:00.000 So I guess my question is, I've known you for a half an hour or however long.

00:23:05.000 It seems longer.

00:23:06.000 It's a lot longer.

00:23:08.000 Fake news, everybody.

00:23:10.000 I've been pitching in bits.

00:23:12.000 And the, you know, you seem like a, you've been very kind and intelligent and I've learned things.

00:23:19.000 My question is then how does someone, and this is like an honest question, is how would you, if we're trying to avoid civil war, which seems like, I don't know, a priority, how does the right, how do you, especially as like a public figure, Kind of, try to not turn into that same tribalized left.

00:23:41.000 How can you, or is it even your responsibility, try to get your fans to reach out?

00:23:46.000 But he's not.

00:23:47.000 I mean, quite literally, if his whole point is that he reads the facts to figure out what's true and someone else doesn't, you don't need to avoid doing it, you're just not doing it.

00:23:55.000 No, but what I'm saying is like, Do people like us, and I'm even counting myself being on this show, do we sort of need to go above and beyond to, instead of just attacking, attacking, attacking, try to get the other side to see the facts in a compassionate way like you attempted with your friend, and then it's on your friend that he didn't respond.

00:24:13.000 The problem is one side, and I'm generalizing obviously, one side, the left, believes the right is not just wrong, that they're bad people, if not evil.

00:24:20.000 We believe, or at least I believe, people on the left are ill-informed and need to be better educated.

00:24:25.000 But I don't dismiss them as evil bad people.

00:24:28.000 I have a recent friend, leftist as all get out, named Jackie.

00:24:33.000 Jackie hates Donald Trump and believes Donald Trump engaged in an insurrection, a coup.

00:24:39.000 So I sent her an article written by Alan Dershowitz, who is a left-wing professor, voted twice for Obama, but been very fair and very even on this issue.

00:24:49.000 And he talked about the 9-11 committee, how unfair it was, how one-sided it was, that Donald Trump in his speech said, I want you to patriotically and peacefully go over and make your voices heard.

00:25:00.000 On and on, very well argued.

00:25:02.000 I sent it to her.

00:25:03.000 Texted to her. 1.00

00:25:04.000 She texts back right away and says, uh, this is garbage. 0.98

00:25:07.000 And I wrote back and I said, you could not have possibly read it in that time that you text back to me. 0.97

00:25:13.000 So she refused to even read the information.

00:25:14.000 What do you want me to do?

00:25:15.000 Open the window and just start yelling?

00:25:17.000 I mean, liberals are very fast readers.

00:25:18.000 This is where I want to push back.

00:25:20.000 I think this is a mistake that the right often makes.

00:25:22.000 The saying is, the right thinks the left is ill-informed.

00:25:26.000 The left thinks the right is evil.

00:25:27.000 In fact, I think the left is the example of the banality of evil.

00:25:31.000 And it doesn't matter if it's left or right, any kind of historical context.

00:25:34.000 Let's just call it blue and red or A and B, whatever it is.

00:25:38.000 When you've got libertarians, post-liberal, disaffected liberal, conservative, Republican, whatever on one side, disparate ideologies, people disagree, having a conversation.

00:25:46.000 And then you have people who are driven by emotion, won't even bother to read the facts.

00:25:51.000 You're dealing with a cult.

00:25:52.000 You are dealing with the banality of evil.

00:25:55.000 They are engaging in evil actions to evil ends.

00:25:58.000 For no specific reason.

00:26:00.000 They don't need to have intent.

00:26:02.000 If a person is, you know, look...

00:26:05.000 If a person grabs a weapon and thinks they're a good guy, and like, actually, I'll tell you a story right now.

00:26:09.000 There's a viral story where a guy murdered his neighbors because he said they were using telepathy to mind control him. 0.99

00:26:16.000 Yeah, he's crazy. 0.99

00:26:17.000 He committed an evil act, but his intent was skewed by nonsense. 0.99

00:26:22.000 That doesn't change the fact that what he did was evil.

00:26:24.000 So I'm not going to call them ill-informed.

00:26:25.000 I'm going to say they're engaged in outright evil.

00:26:29.000 That's fair enough.

00:26:30.000 My mother was a lifelong Democrat.

00:26:32.000 My brother, my best friend, was a lifelong Democrat.

00:26:35.000 I never considered them to be evil.

00:26:36.000 I considered them to be ill-informed.

00:26:37.000 And I worked on them and I got them to vote for George W. Bush twice.

00:26:41.000 My mother voted for Ronald Reagan.

00:26:42.000 They wouldn't change their party because that was a motion, but I was able to reason with them.

00:26:45.000 So I don't dismiss all of them.

00:26:47.000 But you're quite right.

00:26:48.000 Take somebody like Jeff Zucker, the former head of CNN.

00:26:51.000 He's on tape.

00:26:51.000 Project Veritas has people on tape.

00:26:54.000 At CNN, producers, saying that in our nine o'clock meeting every morning with Jeff Zucker, Jeff Zucker hates Donald Trump, has a vendetta against Donald Trump, and he wants us to do anti-Trump stories to the exclusion of other news.

00:27:05.000 That's evil.

00:27:06.000 That's villainy.

00:27:07.000 Well, and to your point about your family, I feel like my job here today is to stop a civil war instead of promote my gigs.

00:27:15.000 To your point, I'm really glad you brought up your family because what I was gonna say And I'm not disagreeing with you guys a ton, but I want to say that...

00:27:26.000 Twitter liberals, Antifa liberals, media liberals are far different than, and same with conservatives, than the people I meet at Jiu Jitsu, who we're all hanging out.

00:27:40.000 We don't care about political parties.

00:27:43.000 Maybe people on the left are like, yeah, I'm liberal because I don't care if gay people marry and I'm against the war. 0.98

00:27:48.000 And that's kind of all they know.

00:27:49.000 They're not on Twitter.

00:27:50.000 They're not trying to stir stuff up.

00:27:52.000 They barely know about January 6th, nor do they care about it.

00:27:55.000 I had a meeting with a friend in New York, and when I tried explaining to him that Democrats tried to legalize abortion up to the point of birth, he said that's impossible.

00:28:03.000 That can't be true.

00:28:04.000 And I said, you are actively speaking out, this person with a high-profile platform, in defense of their bill, without having read it, because you can't believe that I would be right at all.

00:28:15.000 Even though you didn't read it!

00:28:16.000 That's the banality of evil.

00:28:18.000 When people engage in evil actions, and it's become a normal process, What I don't understand, though, man, is, like, I'm an artist, which means legally I have to hate myself.

00:28:28.000 So I cannot be a special case. 0.94

00:28:31.000 I cannot be the only person that, when in a room with you guys, hears something I don't know and go, oh, damn, I never thought of it that way.

00:28:39.000 I feel like there are other people out there like that. 0.93

00:28:41.000 During the debates, Bernie Sanders was specifically asked, do you believe that There's a point beyond which an abortion is murder.

00:28:49.000 And he basically said no.

00:28:52.000 And when I was running for governor, the Texas so-called fetal heartbeat bill got passed, and I was asked over and over again about abortion because I'm pro-life.

00:28:59.000 And I said, would you just ask my opponent, Gavin Newsom, just one time, at what point does he feel that pregnancy has gone so far that it would then become murder?

00:29:07.000 And they never asked him.

00:29:08.000 And his position is up to including the moment before birth.

00:29:12.000 Although Larry, I can say if we disagree on everything else, the rest of the show, we can agree and become friends on the fact that I too do not like Gavin Newsom.

00:29:21.000 He's got great hair though.

00:29:22.000 He's so handsome.

00:29:23.000 He looks like American Psycho, you know?

00:29:25.000 Regarding the finality.

00:29:26.000 It's the basements in the body.

00:29:27.000 It's come up a few times about accusing people of being the banality of evil.

00:29:31.000 Tim, you have actually called me the banality of evil multiple times, but I think that, like, we're supporting slavery in China that's getting us this cheap technology. 0.92

00:29:40.000 Like, my cell phone was only $600 instead of $1,150 because it was made by Chinese slaves. 1.00

00:29:45.000 We have factory farming.

00:29:46.000 Like, that's not evil.

00:29:47.000 That's evil to do that to animals.

00:29:49.000 But we live that.

00:29:50.000 That's part of our existence.

00:29:52.000 We are the banality of evil as Americans. 0.97

00:29:54.000 We are fascist.

00:29:55.000 And that's just part of the game right now.

00:29:57.000 I disagree.

00:29:58.000 So my point on the banality of evil is an individual who's taking direct action, that is evil.

00:30:03.000 This is an interesting point.

00:30:06.000 If you've ever watched the show, The Good Place.

00:30:08.000 Yeah, it's one of my favorite shows.

00:30:10.000 They make the point that life has become so complicated, it's impossible to get into the good place, basically heaven, because no matter what you do, you're doing something bad.

00:30:18.000 You buy some flowers for a friend to cheer them up.

00:30:20.000 Well, those flowers have pesticides, which is killing bees, which came from slave labor. 0.97

00:30:24.000 I can understand the complexities of human life on the planet, and like you mentioned, sweatshop labor and all those things.

00:30:31.000 But there could be people who are actively opposed to that, speaking out against it and trying to stop it.

00:30:35.000 The difference is, when you cheer on and vote for, intentionally, FBI raiding, being weaponized to go after people and destroy.

00:30:45.000 That's very different.

00:30:46.000 It concerns me because, well, at least I was taught, like, that's not good.

00:30:49.000 You don't want to support the evil that you're trying.

00:30:52.000 You don't want to use evil to destroy evil.

00:30:54.000 It doesn't work like that.

00:30:55.000 You become the evil you're trying to end.

00:30:58.000 But I don't know if everybody was raised like that.

00:31:00.000 And if they weren't, then I can't, maybe the banal, is that the right word?

00:31:06.000 It is now, buddy.

00:31:07.000 We're talking about two different things, though.

00:31:08.000 Banal.

00:31:09.000 We're talking about two different things, though.

00:31:11.000 I agree with you.

00:31:12.000 There is an issue that we all kind of just churn along, not realizing that the computers we have are made by people who are, you know, Foxconn labs when they're committing mass suicide and things like that.

00:31:21.000 Those are all really bad.

00:31:23.000 And for a lot of people, like, I immediately stopped using iPhones when I found out about that.

00:31:26.000 Granted, a lot of components still come from those factories, but I was like, I didn't know.

00:31:30.000 I didn't know.

00:31:30.000 And when I learned, I said, I have to change that.

00:31:33.000 I can't get mad at you for the green bubbles anymore.

00:31:35.000 But when it comes to what's happening with what Larry's talking about, trying to let them know, they say, I don't care.

00:31:42.000 That's the difference.

00:31:42.000 Yeah.

00:31:44.000 And what also was scary is the unwillingness to look at the result of your actions, even if your actions were, the intent was a valid intent or a kind intent.

00:31:56.000 The 800-pound elephant in the room in this country is the large number of kids who enter the world without a father married to the mother. 0.99

00:32:03.000 In 1965, 25% of black kids entered the world without a father married to the mother.

00:32:07.000 And forget about elder.

00:32:07.000 Barack Obama once said, a kid raised without a dad is five times more likely to be poor and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school, and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.

00:32:19.000 Now it's 70% of black kids entering the world without a father married to the mother. 0.98

00:32:22.000 It's because the welfare state has incentivized women to marry the government and incentivized 1.00

00:32:26.000 men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility.

00:32:28.000 Forty percent of all kids in America are born without a father in the house.

00:32:31.000 Twenty-five percent are white kids, half of all Hispanic kids.

00:32:34.000 And we are doing nothing about it.

00:32:36.000 We're not even talking about it.

00:32:37.000 Even Republicans don't talk about it.

00:32:38.000 And when you don't have a father in the house, it's not just a financial problem, which is

00:32:43.000 huge, it's you don't see two adults interact civilly, resolve problems.

00:32:48.000 You don't see somebody get up and go to work in the morning when he doesn't feel like going.

00:32:51.000 All the values that it takes in order to be a responsible citizen, you don't have.

00:32:55.000 That's why we have so much crime and such dropouts right now and a lot of people who are functionally illiterate.

00:33:02.000 85% of 8th grade black kids in America can neither read nor write at proficiency levels. 0.93

00:33:07.000 That means 85% of 8th graders, black 8th graders, are functionally illiterate. 0.95

00:33:11.000 When you are functionally illiterate, you are easily misled by emotion.

00:33:14.000 And it's a huge problem, and both parties, in my opinion, completely ignore that issue.

00:33:18.000 Yeah, well I think it aids certain political parties because the kids end up looking to the government, they look for a strong man, they look for a father.

00:33:25.000 And a boogeyman, and they look for something that made them a victim. 0.55

00:33:29.000 And that's why so many black people are misled and believe in that America is systemically racist. 0.82

00:33:33.000 It is not.

00:33:33.000 I was talking to some local school professionals, and one of the things that I was talking about with some people there was, people don't know what to do with their lives.

00:33:45.000 People want to work hard, but let's say this, let's say right now you lost your job and you're like, you know what I really love doing?

00:33:51.000 I really love making birdhouses.

00:33:53.000 How do I start a company that makes birdhouses?

00:33:55.000 I don't know step one.

00:33:57.000 The funny thing is we look at video games like World of Warcraft, so popular.

00:34:01.000 It's gamified, this dopamine release where you accomplish goals, but it's fake.

00:34:06.000 The difference I was talking about, why is it that people will sit there playing a video game where they get the forest leather boots of agility, but they won't just go and actually level themselves up?

00:34:16.000 The thing is, No force boots, that's why.

00:34:18.000 No, it's because in the real world, there is no quest giver who says, if you do 10 push-ups, you will then see plus one strength.

00:34:27.000 There's no leadership, and it's in line with what you're saying about fathers.

00:34:31.000 When you have someone who says, here is your quest, and they accomplish their quest, they get a dopamine hit, it feels good.

00:34:36.000 In a video game, they tell you what to do, you do it, it works.

00:34:40.000 You've accomplished your goal.

00:34:42.000 This is what we're missing from in real life.

00:34:44.000 We're starting to lose in real life, as you were mentioning, And the irony, the information to build a birdhouse and to start a business has never been more accessible.

00:34:52.000 All you have to do is go online.

00:34:53.000 Never has information been more easily obtained and cheaply obtained than it is right now.

00:34:57.000 But you don't have somebody to give you guidance.

00:34:59.000 You don't have somebody to tell you you need to defer gratification.

00:35:02.000 Work hard.

00:35:03.000 There's a connection between that and having a good result.

00:35:05.000 And this is why I think, and one of the reasons the Democrats are so hell-bent on stopping school choice.

00:35:11.000 Because you keep people ignorant, what happens?

00:35:14.000 They graduate from college doing the wrong things, and then think, I don't understand what I'm supposed to do.

00:35:20.000 If what I did didn't work, the system must not work.

00:35:23.000 Meanwhile, people with proper guidance succeed.

00:35:26.000 They find that success and they say, you can make it, you can make it happen.

00:35:30.000 So what I want to see happen is people get good guidance and leadership so they know those first steps.

00:35:35.000 Absolutely.

00:35:35.000 But that's not what we're getting from the school system.

00:35:37.000 That's not what we're getting from welfare programs. 0.85

00:35:39.000 That's what we're getting from David Goggins.

00:35:41.000 Right.

00:35:41.000 People like Goggins and Rogan and you, Tim.

00:35:44.000 I mean, I followed your work, Larry, you know, but people like Larry Elder, like Every time I struggle, every time I'm depressed, I don't go to a therapist.

00:35:51.000 I'm like typing David Goggins.

00:35:55.000 I literally looked up Jocko breakup advice after my last breakup.

00:35:58.000 Jordan Peterson.

00:36:00.000 As I said, I've been on radio for 30 years and in 30 years I have not been able to get Jesse Jackson on my radio show, Maxine Waters, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, even though I've reached out to them hundreds of times.

00:36:11.000 The one so-called black leader, a term I don't particularly like, who came on my show is a guy named Kweisi Mfume.

00:36:16.000 He's a congressman from Maryland.

00:36:18.000 At the time, he was a president of the NAACP.

00:36:21.000 He was a congressman both before and after becoming president of the NAACP.

00:36:25.000 And my first question was, Mr. Mfume, As between the presence of white racism or the absence of black fathers, which poses the bigger problems of the black community?

00:36:33.000 Without missing a beat, Ian, he said the absence of black fathers. 0.97

00:36:36.000 Again, far and away the biggest problem.

00:36:38.000 And Barack Obama's first book was all about the angst over not having a dad in his house, A Dream for My Father.

00:36:43.000 Al Sharpton had a nice middle class life until his father ran away with another woman.

00:36:47.000 into the hood he went.

00:36:48.000 Louis Farrakhan's mother was estranged from her husband, had a boyfriend, took back up with Louis Farrakhan,

00:36:55.000 and she tried to abort him with a coat hanger. 1.00

00:36:57.000 Jesse Jackson's mother was a teenage mom who lived next door to a married man who impregnated her.

00:37:02.000 And Jackson grew up in South Carolina, growing up without a dad was rare.

00:37:05.000 And he was teased, Jesse ain't got no daddy, Jesse ain't got no daddy.

00:37:08.000 The reason I'm mentioning this is these are arguably the four most prominent so-called black leaders,

00:37:12.000 all of whom either had no relationship with their dads or a poor relationship with one,

00:37:16.000 and they never talk about it.

00:37:17.000 Obama every now and then says something, but by and large, they never talk about it.

00:37:20.000 They talk about racism, racism, racism, when it's never been less significant in America.

00:37:25.000 You mentioned early in the show your dad, and that you had, you know, a 10-year period, maybe a falling out.

00:37:31.000 Right.

00:37:31.000 But prior to that, how was it for you growing up with your dad?

00:37:34.000 Well, my father was grouchy and angry and he spanked us a lot, my two brothers, with belts.

00:37:41.000 I thought it was excessive.

00:37:42.000 And I intensely disliked the man.

00:37:44.000 And fortunately, when I'm a little kid, ten years old, he starts a little cafe and I have to work for the SOB.

00:37:49.000 And he still yells at me.

00:37:51.000 Now I'm 15 years old, Tim, and I said to myself, next time he yells at me, and we're talking about a diner where everybody can hear everything.

00:37:56.000 It's not like it's privately in the back.

00:37:57.000 He yells and screams at me and you're looking at customers watching the whole thing.

00:38:01.000 I said, I'm going to walk out next time this S.O.B.

00:38:03.000 yells at me.

00:38:04.000 And it took me three or four times to work up the courage to do it, but I did when I was 15 years old.

00:38:09.000 My dad came home.

00:38:10.000 He paid me $10 a day plus tips.

00:38:12.000 He balled up the $10 and I lay on the bed.

00:38:13.000 He threw it at me and he said, why did you leave?

00:38:16.000 For the first time, I spoke back to my dad and I said, Dad, I got sick and tired of the way you spoke to me.

00:38:21.000 I'm not putting up with it anymore.

00:38:22.000 He walked out of my bedroom, Tim, and for the next 10 years, we didn't speak to each other at all.

00:38:26.000 Wow.

00:38:27.000 At all.

00:38:28.000 I go to college.

00:38:29.000 I go to law school.

00:38:30.000 I come home to visit my mom, of course.

00:38:32.000 College was in New England.

00:38:33.000 Law school was in the Midwest.

00:38:34.000 I'd come back to LA to visit my mom, but I'd make sure my dad wasn't around when I was in the room.

00:38:38.000 You were 15?

00:38:40.000 I was 15 when this happened, but then I graduated from high school.

00:38:44.000 My dad worked long hours for the next two years.

00:38:46.000 I just made sure we weren't in the same room.

00:38:47.000 Then I go to New England for college, Midwest for law school, end up working in Cleveland, and I would visit my mom all these years, of course, but I would just make sure my dad and I were not in the same room.

00:38:57.000 We said nothing to each other for 10 years.

00:38:59.000 Now, just real quickly, now I'm 25 years old.

00:39:03.000 I passed the California bar, the Ohio bar.

00:39:05.000 I should be living large.

00:39:06.000 I'm 25 years old, making the equivalent of 150K.

00:39:09.000 And I can't sleep.

00:39:11.000 And I know it has to do with my dad.

00:39:12.000 So I told my secretary, call my clients, tell them I'm going to be away for three days.

00:39:17.000 I'm flying to LA.

00:39:18.000 I'll be back.

00:39:19.000 And so I didn't tell my parents I was coming because I didn't want my dad to prepare.

00:39:22.000 So I get to LAX, took a cab to the cafe.

00:39:25.000 Cafe closed at 2.30.

00:39:26.000 I got there at 1.30.

00:39:28.000 And my dad was shocked to see me.

00:39:29.000 I had two big bags with me.

00:39:31.000 And he said, should I put your bags in the back?

00:39:32.000 I said, no, dad.

00:39:32.000 I'm going to be here for five or 10 minutes.

00:39:34.000 I want to tell you something.

00:39:35.000 So he said, wait till we close.

00:39:37.000 So I sat there for an hour and I said, all right, don't tee off on the SOB.

00:39:41.000 Just give him the highlights.

00:39:42.000 Five, 10 minute conversation.

00:39:43.000 He'll call you an ungrateful, grateful son.

00:39:45.000 You'll call him a cruel father and maybe you'll be able to sleep when you get back to Cleveland.

00:39:49.000 So my dad sat down and I teed off him for a half hour.

00:39:52.000 You know how I can go.

00:39:53.000 We just now met, but you know how I go, Jamie.

00:39:55.000 Everybody, he can go.

00:39:56.000 So I spoke for a half hour, nonstop.

00:39:59.000 Every spanking, every whipping.

00:40:01.000 The time when my cousin Elaine came from Cleveland to visit me, and he whipped me in front of her, how humiliating that was.

00:40:06.000 I told him everything.

00:40:07.000 And my dad just took it.

00:40:09.000 Every now and then he'd lean over and pour coffee and replenish his coffee, but he just took it.

00:40:13.000 And when I was done, I was spent.

00:40:15.000 I couldn't think of anything else.

00:40:16.000 And my dad looked up and said, is that it?

00:40:19.000 You didn't speak to me for 10 years because of that?

00:40:22.000 Now I should tell you I knew nothing about my father's life other than I knew he was an only child because we never got any Christmas presents.

00:40:27.000 And I met his mom one time.

00:40:28.000 Outside of that I knew nothing about his life.

00:40:30.000 I didn't care.

00:40:30.000 I didn't like him.

00:40:32.000 He said, let me tell you about my father.

00:40:35.000 You know your last name, Elder?

00:40:36.000 I said, yes.

00:40:37.000 He said, that's not my father's last name.

00:40:39.000 I said, what?

00:40:40.000 What's your father's last name?

00:40:41.000 He said, I have no idea.

00:40:42.000 I never met him.

00:40:43.000 You never met your father?

00:40:44.000 Who's Elder?

00:40:45.000 Elder was some guy who was in my life the longest, four years.

00:40:47.000 My mother couldn't either read nor write.

00:40:49.000 She had a series of boyfriends, each one more irresponsible than the one before.

00:40:52.000 Elder was an alcoholic, was physically abusive to me.

00:40:54.000 And when I tried to stop him from beating my mother, he would beat me.

00:40:58.000 And I came home at 13 years old, he said, and I started fighting with my mom's then boyfriend.

00:41:03.000 By that time, the elder was long gone.

00:41:05.000 And my mother sided with the boyfriend and threw me out of the house, 13 years old, never to return.

00:41:09.000 Athens, Georgia, Jim Crow South, at the beginning of the Great Depression.

00:41:13.000 I said, well, Dad, what did you do?

00:41:15.000 And for the next eight hours, the man told me about his life.

00:41:18.000 Two stools as close as you and I are.

00:41:21.000 And for the first time, I saw my father cry when he talked about the way Elder treated him.

00:41:27.000 For eight hours, my dad walked me through his life.

00:41:28.000 I said, well, what did you do when you left the house?

00:41:30.000 I went down the road.

00:41:31.000 I picked up trash.

00:41:32.000 I did this.

00:41:33.000 I became a Pullman porter.

00:41:34.000 They were the largest private employers of blacks in those days.

00:41:37.000 My dad came out to California on a run.

00:41:39.000 And he was able to walk through the front door of a restaurant and get served.

00:41:42.000 And he was shocked.

00:41:43.000 And he said, maybe I'll make a middle note to relocate to California.

00:41:46.000 Pearl Harbor, my dad joins the Marines.

00:41:48.000 I said, Dad, why the Marines?

00:41:49.000 Anybody who's listening to us who's in the Marines knows what I'm going to say.

00:41:52.000 Two reasons.

00:41:52.000 Number one, they go where the action is.

00:41:54.000 Number two, I love the uniforms.

00:41:56.000 My dad was stationed on Guam, where he became a staff sergeant in charge of cooking for the colored soldiers.

00:42:02.000 Gets out, comes back to Chattanooga, where you're appearing.

00:42:05.000 Thank you.

00:42:06.000 And once I worked that in, Where he met and married my mom to get him a job as a short order cook.

00:42:11.000 That's what he did in the military. 0.98

00:42:13.000 And they said, I'm sorry, we don't hire niggers. 1.00

00:42:15.000 He went to restaurant after restaurant, I'm sorry, we don't hire niggers. 1.00

00:42:18.000 Goes to an unemployment office, goes through the door, lady says, you went through the wrong door. 0.98

00:42:23.000 I said, colored only.

00:42:24.000 My dad goes through that door to the very same lady who sent him out.

00:42:27.000 My dad told my mom, this is BS, I'm going to LA, where I was before the war, I'm gonna get a job as a cook, I'll send for you.

00:42:32.000 Comes out to LA, walks around for a day and a half, and he said, sorry, you don't have any references.

00:42:37.000 My dad said, I need references to make ham and eggs.

00:42:40.000 And, uh, but they treated him the same way as they did, uh, in, in Chattanooga.

00:42:44.000 A little more polite.

00:42:45.000 Yeah.

00:42:46.000 Goes to unemployment office, just one door at this time.

00:42:48.000 Lady didn't have anything. 1.00

00:42:49.000 My dad said, what time do you close?

00:42:51.000 She says nine.

00:42:51.000 What time do you, uh, what time do you open?

00:42:53.000 She said nine.

00:42:53.000 What time do you close?

00:42:54.000 Five.

00:42:54.000 My dad said, I'll be sitting in that chair until you find me something.

00:42:57.000 Sat there for a whole day, nothing.

00:42:58.000 Came back the next day.

00:42:59.000 She calls him up.

00:43:00.000 I've got something.

00:43:01.000 I don't know whether or not you're going to want it.

00:43:02.000 My dad said, of course I'm going to want it.

00:43:03.000 I'm starting a family.

00:43:04.000 What is it?

00:43:05.000 She says, a job cleaning toilets and Nabisco brand bread.

00:43:08.000 My dad did that for 10 years, took a second full-time job cleaning toilets at another bread company.

00:43:13.000 He had a hookup.

00:43:14.000 Cooked for a family on the weekend to make additional money.

00:43:16.000 Went to night school three nights a week to get his GED so he could have a stay-at-home wife. 0.85

00:43:20.000 The man never slept, which is why he was so grouchy.

00:43:25.000 And my dad then said, you know, the other time I was married, you were married before mom?

00:43:30.000 I thought he was going to say six months, three months, seven years.

00:43:34.000 What happened?

00:43:35.000 She cheated on me. 1.00

00:43:36.000 She couldn't have any kids.

00:43:37.000 And then the other time I was married, you were married twice before mom?

00:43:41.000 I was 18 years old, I married a girl 18, her parents found out I was an 8th grade dropout, marched her down to the courthouse, annulled the marriage.

00:43:47.000 So you were married three times?

00:43:51.000 Why would you get married after that happened to you?

00:43:53.000 He looked at me like I had eight heads.

00:43:54.000 He said, because Larry, I wanted you.

00:43:57.000 So, eight hours, my dad gets bigger and bigger and bigger, Tim.

00:44:01.000 Elder gets smaller and smaller and smaller.

00:44:02.000 Now, I'm crying.

00:44:03.000 And I said, Dad, please forgive me for judging you so harshly.

00:44:07.000 My dad said, don't worry about it.

00:44:09.000 Just follow the advice I've always given you and your brothers.

00:44:11.000 Like it's cited in my sleep.

00:44:12.000 Hard work wins.

00:44:13.000 You get out of life what you put into it.

00:44:15.000 Larry, you cannot control the outcome, but you are 100% in control of the effort.

00:44:19.000 And before you moan, groan about what somebody did to you or said to you, go to the nearest mirror, look at it, and ask yourself, what could I have done to change the outcome?

00:44:26.000 And finally, he said, no matter how good you are, how hard you work, bad things are going to happen to you.

00:44:30.000 How you address those bad things will tell your mother and me if we raised a man.

00:44:34.000 From that point on, the next 35 years, my dad and I were the best of friends.

00:44:37.000 I wrote a book about this called Dear Father, Dear Son, Two Lives, Eight Hours.

00:44:41.000 about the conversation.

00:44:42.000 The reason it's titled that, and I flew back to Cleveland, my dad wrote me a letter.

00:44:46.000 He never wrote me a letter in his life.

00:44:48.000 And it started out, dear son.

00:44:49.000 He never called me dear son.

00:44:50.000 He never called me son.

00:44:51.000 I wrote back and I called him father.

00:44:52.000 I never called him father.

00:44:54.000 And my dad and I became the best of friends from that point on.

00:44:56.000 But if anybody, anybody had a right to hate America, to believe America was systemically racist, it's my dad.

00:45:01.000 And he never believed that.

00:45:02.000 My dad was a Republican.

00:45:03.000 And my dad always said this about the Democratic Party, and then I'll shut up.

00:45:07.000 Democrats want to give you something for nothing.

00:45:10.000 When you try and get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for something.

00:45:14.000 Larry, will you be my dad?

00:45:17.000 Let me ask you then, based on what your dad was saying, you mention Jim Crow self, your father, they wouldn't give him work, outright slurring at him.

00:45:28.000 Why don't you, first, I guess the question is, what do you think systemic racism is?

00:45:33.000 And then why would you say there isn't any?

00:45:35.000 Well, systemic racism means top-down stuff, the way it used to be during Jim Crow.

00:45:40.000 I'd ask you to give me the example of a corporation, a Fortune 500 corporation, an institution, a college, media, military, where there's top-down racism.

00:45:50.000 You can't come up with it.

00:45:51.000 The media is relentlessly left-wing.

00:45:55.000 Academia, same thing.

00:45:57.000 The military is quite diverse.

00:46:00.000 Give me the name.

00:46:00.000 Name the corporation.

00:46:01.000 Whenever there's a corporation where somebody says something arguably racist, like Texaco did a few years ago.

00:46:07.000 CEO on tape referring to the employees as, I don't think he said N-word, but he said something disparaging.

00:46:13.000 Goes on TV, apologizes.

00:46:15.000 Texaco loses hundreds of millions of dollars in equity and then they end

00:46:20.000 up having a program to advance the careers of the black employees at

00:46:25.000 Texaco. Papa John, remember that he was on a call one time he said something

00:46:29.000 he was quoting somebody else and said the n-word. Lost his own company.

00:46:35.000 There's a guy named John O Sullivan.

00:46:37.000 He used to be the editor of the National Review.

00:46:40.000 He said, White racism exists, but its social power is weak.

00:46:44.000 The social power against it, overwhelming.

00:46:46.000 There's no upside today in any corporation blatantly, openly, even subtly being racist.

00:46:52.000 So let me get your thoughts on this.

00:46:55.000 I was down covering the Ferguson riots back when the Michael Brown stuff happened.

00:46:59.000 And I did a documentary on what people they referred to as systemic racism.

00:47:04.000 How it was explained to us is St.

00:47:07.000 Louis is actually a very small city.

00:47:09.000 Outside of St.

00:47:10.000 Louis, in St.

00:47:10.000 Louis County, actually, it's like 90-some-odd cities.

00:47:14.000 These cities were formed when, are you familiar with Pruitt-Igoe?

00:47:19.000 It was one of the first, if not the first, community housing, project housing, and it was in St.

00:47:24.000 Louis.

00:47:25.000 And once it fell into disrepair, you started to get crime in the area, things started to get bad, and white people in St. 0.86

00:47:31.000 Louis started to flee the city and then form new surrounding suburbs.

00:47:35.000 I bet your middle-class blacks also fled the city. 0.97

00:47:38.000 It's possible.

00:47:39.000 So what happens today is you have areas that are, you end up seeing racially fractured communities.

00:47:49.000 One area is all white, they had racial covenants, which were eventually made illegal, but then you have, you know, a white grandfather gives it to his son who gives it to his, you know, son or whatever.

00:47:57.000 You have areas that are predominantly white, black, or otherwise.

00:48:00.000 What ends up happening is you have impoverished black people as a result of a lot of these policies.

00:48:06.000 Because of the way the cities are set up- They should move.

00:48:09.000 And nothing's stopping them from moving.

00:48:11.000 Move.

00:48:11.000 We interviewed people and asked them about it, and they said- Move.

00:48:14.000 I lived in Cleveland for a number of years, and I remember when I first got there in 1977, there was a newscast of all these white people living in Akron, where there was 25% unemployment, complaining about the steel mills going away.

00:48:28.000 Rust Belt. 0.51

00:48:29.000 And I was looking at the television and I said, MOVE!

00:48:31.000 MOVE! 0.97

00:48:33.000 What's stopping you from moving?

00:48:35.000 Get up and move!

00:48:37.000 What do you mean jail?

00:48:38.000 I want to get your thoughts on their claims.

00:48:43.000 What ends up happening is something they call going on tour.

00:48:45.000 Where if you have a busted taillight and you drive from your town four miles to your job, you go through four or five cities.

00:48:53.000 You get pulled over in each one, you get a ticket in each one, and then you go on tour through their jails where one $20 infraction you can't pay for turns into four weekends in jail where they keep trading you to the next police station.

00:49:06.000 Okay.

00:49:07.000 This is what they refer to as remnants of racial covenants, which created multiple jurisdictions,

00:49:12.000 which have a negative impact on people today. We did ask people, why don't you move the area?

00:49:16.000 Well, people who have negative bank accounts, I mean, theoretically could just start walking.

00:49:21.000 But I think for a lot of people that they don't know, or it's just not reasonable, I suppose.

00:49:26.000 I'm not saying that is systemic racism.

00:49:28.000 It's what they claim is systemic racism.

00:49:30.000 I of course followed Ferguson greatly and the Obama White House comes in and they accuse the Ferguson PD of being systemically racist for the reasons that you mentioned.

00:49:39.000 It turns out that Ferguson is 67% black, but 85% of the traffic stops are of black people.

00:49:45.000 18-point gap. 0.83

00:49:46.000 Ergo, systemic racism.

00:49:48.000 Apply that same logic to New York. 0.99

00:49:50.000 New York is 25% black, but almost 55% of the traffic stops are black people.

00:49:55.000 That's a 30-point gap, even bigger than Ferguson, yet NYPD officers, street officers, the majority of them are people of color.

00:50:01.000 Turns out that Obama did a study called Race and Traffic Stop, came out in 2013 by the National Institutes of Justice, which is a research arm of the DOJ, and you name the traffic offense, a black motorist was more likely to violate it, whether it was speeding, driving without an expired tag, driving without a proper headlight.

00:50:17.000 Uh, driving without a seatbelt, driving without a child safety seat in the back when you have a kid.

00:50:21.000 You name the offense, black motorists are more likely to commit the offense. 1.00

00:50:24.000 Stop committing crimes. 0.98

00:50:26.000 If your tail light is busted, fix it! 0.99

00:50:29.000 Don't expect people to give you some slack just because you're black. 0.98

00:50:31.000 Fix it! 1.00

00:50:33.000 Take responsibility.

00:50:34.000 So, the response we got was that if you have to choose between paying for gas or registering

00:50:41.000 your plate or whatever, people are going to choose probably to pay for the gas to move

00:50:44.000 the car, knowing that they're going to get, you know, that they run the risk.

00:50:48.000 The issue is the structure of the jurisdictions turning one infraction into four, which then

00:50:53.000 results in you get a ticket, you can't pay.

00:50:56.000 It's 50 bucks.

00:50:57.000 You say, well, I couldn't pay for the $20 registration.

00:50:59.000 I can't pay for the $50 fine.

00:51:01.000 So the police come and they say, you're going to spend a weekend in jail then.

00:51:04.000 But the moment you get out of jail, the next department is waiting right outside saying, you're coming to us next.

00:51:09.000 So what they refer to as institutional racism is not that the individual officers are being racist, but that due to the remnants of the past, There are negative consequences for people who live in this jurisdiction today, and they don't know what to do to stop it, solve it, or get out.

00:51:26.000 Again, I would just say it's a real simple solution.

00:51:29.000 Don't commit crimes.

00:51:31.000 In Baltimore, where Freddie Gray died, Freddie Gray died in police custody.

00:51:34.000 Remember, he was the one who was in the van.

00:51:36.000 There were six officers who were prosecuted.

00:51:38.000 Three of the officers were black.

00:51:40.000 The state attorney who brought the charges was black. 0.74

00:51:42.000 City council was all Democrat, majority black. 0.99

00:51:44.000 The mayor was black, number one. 0.99

00:51:46.000 Number two, running the police department, black. 1.00

00:51:48.000 The U.S. 0.98

00:51:49.000 Attorney General at the time, Loretta Lynch, was black, as was the president. 0.79

00:51:52.000 Now these are black people running the entire system and still people are talking about it being systemically racist. 0.62

00:51:56.000 I'm reminded of that joke that Wanda Sykes said. 0.82

00:51:59.000 How are you going to complain about the man when you are the man?

00:52:01.000 And I'd like to know what the officials are in St.

00:52:05.000 Louis, who they are in all these areas.

00:52:07.000 My suspicion is they're regular people trying to do their jobs and they're not bigots.

00:52:12.000 I just think this is just... Well, and you can still say the system's broken.

00:52:15.000 You can still say that people should not be dying in police custody.

00:52:19.000 You can still say that cops need better training.

00:52:22.000 But do them on a case-by-case basis.

00:52:23.000 Don't give me this nonsense.

00:52:23.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:52:24.000 It should be case-by-case.

00:52:25.000 And it always has to be all or nothing when we're screaming at each other on Twitter.

00:52:29.000 But, like, a lot of times it's not racism.

00:52:32.000 It's that cop didn't train jiu-jitsu and doesn't know how to put on a proper chokehold or doesn't know when a person is completely out and just needs to be trained.

00:52:38.000 There's a city in California called Rialto.

00:52:41.000 Rialto is around 100,000 people.

00:52:43.000 Racially, it reflects the demographics of California.

00:52:45.000 The same percentage of Hispanics, blacks, Asians, and whites.

00:52:50.000 And the cops a few years ago were ordered to wear body cams.

00:52:54.000 They didn't want to at first.

00:52:55.000 And they wore them.

00:52:56.000 After a year, what happened?

00:52:59.000 Police complaints fell 90% and police use of force fell 50%.

00:53:04.000 Not because the police were engaging in any kind of different activity.

00:53:07.000 They behaved as they always were.

00:53:09.000 They've always been trained.

00:53:11.000 Civilians stopped lying on them.

00:53:13.000 And they started complying, and as a result, the police didn't need to use the force anymore.

00:53:16.000 They stopped filing lawsuits, because it's illegal to file a false lawsuit against a cop.

00:53:22.000 So it turns out the civilians were the ones who were making a bunch of false allegations, as did Michael Brown during Ferguson.

00:53:28.000 Michael Brown's friend, who said, hands up, don't shoot, turned out to be a complete lie.

00:53:32.000 It was, I think, Holder.

00:53:34.000 Eric Holder's Department of Justice.

00:53:38.000 At the time, yeah.

00:53:39.000 And it turns out that Michael Brown's DNA was on the officer's gun.

00:53:44.000 He tried to get the gun.

00:53:45.000 And his friend, I think his name was Dorian Johnson or something, said that my friend said, hands up, don't shoot.

00:53:50.000 And it turns out a complete and total lie.

00:53:52.000 They lied.

00:53:52.000 The police are lied on all the time.

00:53:54.000 And when they got busted because of Rialto, they stopped doing it.

00:53:57.000 I just want to circle back real quick to what you were saying about, actually what Tim was saying about this kind of, when you feel like you're underwater, right?

00:54:07.000 I don't have money to get out of these situations.

00:54:09.000 I think a lot of what we're talking about right now, it's institutional problems, right?

00:54:14.000 It's the government, welfare state, we're doing a lot of talking about them, but for people listening to the show, right?

00:54:22.000 Before you have a kid before you're ready or split on the mom before you end up in a situation.

00:54:31.000 I mean man, I've been in situations where you just feel like You just feel like checking out is the only answer, where it's, you know, you're broke and you finally get a thing, and then that falls through, and then you just keep digging, digging, digging, digging, digging.

00:54:45.000 What's your, because man, I was so touched by the story you told about your dad.

00:54:49.000 What's your personal advice?

00:54:51.000 So forget the institutions right now, the people listening.

00:54:54.000 It's real simple.

00:54:55.000 Probably the most prominent think tank on the left is the Brookings Institution.

00:54:59.000 And one of the ones on the right is called the American Enterprise Institute.

00:55:01.000 They don't agree on anything, but they agree on what they call the millennial success sequence.

00:55:06.000 Finish high school.

00:55:09.000 Ideally one where you can read, write, and compute at grade level.

00:55:11.000 That's why I support school choice.

00:55:12.000 But first of all, finish high school.

00:55:13.000 Don't have a kid until you're 25 years old.

00:55:16.000 Until you're 20 years old.

00:55:17.000 Get married before you have the kid.

00:55:19.000 Get a job.

00:55:19.000 Keep that job.

00:55:20.000 Any job.

00:55:21.000 Even a minimum wage job.

00:55:22.000 Don't quit it until you get another job.

00:55:23.000 Within six months you'll get a raise.

00:55:25.000 And finally, avoid the criminal justice system.

00:55:28.000 Committing an act of crime is a voluntary act.

00:55:30.000 You don't have to do it.

00:55:31.000 You follow that formula.

00:55:32.000 You will not be poor and you'll get to the middle class.

00:55:35.000 You don't, there's a very good chance you're going to be poor.

00:55:38.000 So there's, I agree mostly.

00:55:41.000 I would just say, when it comes to, at least where I grew up, ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.

00:55:48.000 So I, as well as many other people, have found ourselves unwittingly having committed a crime, not realizing it was because it was seemingly innocuous.

00:55:56.000 Like, when you get a ticket when you're driving in Illinois, you can keep driving, it's no problem, you got a ticket.

00:56:01.000 It's like, so you drive, they take your ID, you keep the ticket, when you get pulled over, you show them the ticket, they say, okay, you pay it off, they send you your ID back.

00:56:07.000 What I didn't know, because they don't tell you this in Driver's Ed or anything, is that if you get two moving violations under the age of 21, they suspend your license.

00:56:14.000 So sure enough, I got a Class A misdemeanor, which was a threat of a year in jail and like a $2,500 fine.

00:56:20.000 It wasn't just something I could avoid.

00:56:21.000 I didn't even know it was happening.

00:56:23.000 So that took away my ability to drive for like two years.

00:56:26.000 Because not only was my license suspended, then I got caught driving on a suspended license, which I didn't even know was suspended!

00:56:32.000 And you couldn't blame systemic racism.

00:56:34.000 Well, so he did.

00:56:35.000 My point is simply though, you know, I feel like the system is, is, is it a simple way to put it is it might be easy to say avoid the law, but for a lot of people, the system is just busted.

00:56:47.000 Yeah.

00:56:47.000 Well, and same with the ways, right?

00:56:49.000 I was going to say same with, um, sex education.

00:56:52.000 So much sex education is not the best in this country.

00:56:56.000 And I feel like, especially if you're pro-life, you should want the best sex education possible

00:57:04.000 so that people don't even get into this situation where they would even want an abortion. 0.77

00:57:08.000 So maybe a lot of it does start with education when it comes to the law, when it comes to

00:57:12.000 learning a trade, when it comes to sex education.

00:57:16.000 But Tim, it's hard to go to jail.

00:57:17.000 They don't want you to go to jail, especially when you're young.

00:57:19.000 They have all sorts of programs, juvenile programs, diversionary programs.

00:57:23.000 It is hard to go to jail.

00:57:24.000 You've got to commit a crime to go to jail.

00:57:25.000 You've got to hurt somebody to go to jail.

00:57:27.000 It's hard to go to jail.

00:57:28.000 They don't want to put you there.

00:57:29.000 Gavin Newsom released 8,000 convicted felons, some of whom were violent felons because of COVID.

00:57:34.000 They don't want you there. 0.85

00:57:35.000 The idea that somebody is hiding behind a tree with a net looking to snare black people is just a lie. 0.98

00:57:41.000 For sure, for sure.

00:57:43.000 And again, I think we're outside of racism at this point, just talking about past success.

00:57:48.000 I would agree for the most part with you.

00:57:50.000 I think the issue of crime is not even about jail.

00:57:52.000 It was about I wasn't able to drive.

00:57:55.000 So for two years on it, for this point, it's like... That'll make it harder to get a job.

00:57:58.000 I couldn't do anything.

00:57:59.000 So I was like, okay, I guess I'll go live in the city where I don't need to drive.

00:58:02.000 I had no choice.

00:58:03.000 You're still in America.

00:58:04.000 Absolutely.

00:58:04.000 You're still in America, where people in Cuba are braving shark-infested waters to get here, where people from Haiti are trying to get here, Central America, Mexico.

00:58:12.000 They would love to trade places with us as we sit here and bitch and moan about relatively minor things. 1.00

00:58:16.000 Now, I agree with you on that.

00:58:18.000 My attitude on all this stuff is, when you tell people to move, like, that's actually what I did.

00:58:23.000 So I had 200 bucks in my pocket and I found a ride share to California and I was like, I'll sleep on the beach.

00:58:27.000 I don't care.

00:58:28.000 I'm not going to stay in a bad situation.

00:58:30.000 And so my attitude actually is very much in line with that.

00:58:33.000 So pick up your cards and play them to the best of your ability.

00:58:36.000 That is your duty.

00:58:36.000 That is your moral obligation.

00:58:38.000 I thought it was interesting how you talked about not knowing the law about the tail lights or suspended license.

00:58:45.000 It's systemic ignorance, maybe, of the law.

00:58:47.000 But what it makes me think of when I think of systemic racism is that 200 years ago, all these black people from Africa were slaves and they were intentionally not educated.

00:58:57.000 They were intentionally not taught to read and write.

00:58:59.000 Then they were eventually let out or whatever, slavery ended.

00:59:01.000 They had kids.

00:59:02.000 They didn't know how to read and write.

00:59:03.000 They didn't know how to teach their kids.

00:59:04.000 The kids didn't know how to read and write.

00:59:05.000 Then they had kids.

00:59:06.000 And for the most part, Education is passed down generation through the family.

00:59:11.000 Without that, we have a systemic ignorance problem.

00:59:14.000 But they call it racism just because they happen to have been from Africa, those slaves.

00:59:18.000 They could have been.

00:59:19.000 They could have been like Italian, you know, they just weren't at that time.

00:59:22.000 But maybe there was a reason that their skin color was dark.

00:59:25.000 I just don't think it's a skin color issue.

00:59:27.000 I think that's a good point.

00:59:27.000 I think the implication today is, you know, often what I talk to people about is the policies of racism have, like, been made illegal.

00:59:35.000 And you actually can make—there are people who make money suing whenever they perceive it.

00:59:39.000 Like, right now you've got these selected videos where a Muppet person won't hug a black kid.

00:59:46.000 But they don't show you the videos where the Muppet people don't hug the white kids either and things like that They're just very bad Muppets you guys or whatever you call them.

00:59:52.000 I don't know if they're Muppets It's Rosita and it took place at Sesame Place in Philadelphia And there's video showing Rosita high-fiving white kids ignoring black kids and when somebody made that video put it on on web it went viral and a bunch of other people who went to Sesame Place over the years and Found videos where this thing was happening, so maybe something is going on there, but my problem is this There's 25 million dollar class-action lawsuit been filed Jesse Jackson writes a letter to Sesame Place accuses him of engaging systemic racism The family that filed the lawsuit is from Baltimore

01:00:24.000 Philadelphia has had black mayors. 0.67

01:00:26.000 The police chief is a black female. 0.99

01:00:29.000 The superintendent of school is a black person. 0.91

01:00:32.000 The family from Baltimore has filed a lawsuit, as I mentioned. 0.82

01:00:35.000 There are 13 public high schools in Baltimore where 0% of the kids can do math at grade level.

01:00:40.000 0%, 13 high schools.

01:00:42.000 Another half a dozen where 1% can.

01:00:44.000 That's half of all the high schools in Baltimore where the kids in the inner city are either 0% proficient in math or only 1% are proficient.

01:00:51.000 Jesse Jackson said nothing about that.

01:00:53.000 He said nothing about the fact that Philadelphia, where Sesame Place is, is on track to register the highest number of murders in the city's history. 0.97

01:01:00.000 Most of them are black. 0.94

01:01:01.000 Jackson says nothing about that. 0.99

01:01:02.000 But he goes ballistic over some four-year-old kid not being high-fived by Rosita. 0.99

01:01:07.000 It's ridiculous! 0.96

01:01:09.000 And whether or not this kid responds to this in a sensible way depends entirely upon the parent to put it in perspective. 0.87

01:01:14.000 Where's Jackson on these other things?

01:01:15.000 Nowhere!

01:01:16.000 Do you think that leads to more people taking racism less seriously.

01:01:22.000 So absolutely it does because it trivializes the whole the whole word

01:01:26.000 racism.

01:01:26.000 Well, and that's what I was wondering and that's been one of the things

01:01:29.000 that has gotten me.

01:01:31.000 So just over so much of the left.

01:01:34.000 It's that if you start conflating a sexist joke with sexual assault,

01:01:40.000 if you start conflating the Muppet thing with, you know, actual hate

01:01:45.000 crimes, then you're getting all of these people that are just going to 1.00

01:01:49.000 suddenly they hear the word racism and they go, oh what like that stupid 0.99

01:01:52.000 Muppet thing and you're you're you're essentially you're taking away any 0.99

01:01:57.000 meaning from it because I don't think you're saying that racism isn't

01:02:02.000 real.

01:02:02.000 But the problem is if we're talking about these fake stories, then we

01:02:06.000 can't actually come up with solutions about what to do with real racism.

01:02:09.000 And I thought about our friend Bill Ottman who did the Minds Convention

01:02:13.000 that we all performed at and he actually had because you were talking

01:02:16.000 about a lot of black intellectuals not going on your show, but he had

01:02:19.000 Coleman Hughes on a panel with Cornel West and it was awesome.

01:02:23.000 Awesome, because they were respectful to each other, and they were both looking for solutions.

01:02:27.000 And I think it is so cowardly of Democratic black intellectuals not to go on your show, because it shouldn't be about, we're just gonna shout talking points at each other.

01:02:38.000 If you care about racism, you want all voices from all political sides to be like, hey man, there's a problem, what do we do to fix it? 0.89

01:02:45.000 But let me just say, as you mentioned, You've got murder, you've got homicide, but what are these lawyers going for?

01:02:52.000 Perceived slights at a wealthy theme park or something.

01:02:56.000 Maybe it's just for the lawsuits.

01:02:57.000 Well, not wealthy.

01:02:58.000 We were poor and couldn't afford Disney World.

01:03:00.000 I did C-SPAN yesterday for two hours, and a guy calls a black guy and he says, you know, I watch a lot of black talk show hosts.

01:03:08.000 And I never see you on any of them.

01:03:10.000 I never see you on Roland Martin's show, he said.

01:03:14.000 I never see you on any of the other shows.

01:03:16.000 And I said, well, I debated Roland Martin before the election.

01:03:19.000 I killed him.

01:03:21.000 He has a radio show. 0.94

01:03:21.000 He's never invited me on it. 0.94

01:03:23.000 Charlemagne the God has a very popular show.

01:03:26.000 Reached out to him to have him come on my radio show.

01:03:28.000 Didn't hear back.

01:03:29.000 I was on a flight a few months ago with a guy named Bill Bellamy sat next to me.

01:03:35.000 He's a comedian.

01:03:37.000 I grew up watching him.

01:03:38.000 And we had a long conversation, and he said, you know, one of my friends is Charlamagne Tha Guy.

01:03:41.000 Why don't you go on his show?

01:03:43.000 And I said, can you set that up?

01:03:44.000 He said, yeah, I can do that.

01:03:46.000 We exchanged information.

01:03:47.000 I never heard back.

01:03:49.000 Now, we wanted to just show up, knock on the door, say, hey, interview me!

01:03:52.000 It doesn't work that way.

01:03:54.000 You got to be invited.

01:03:54.000 Tim invited me on his show.

01:03:56.000 I didn't just show up.

01:03:57.000 That would have been awesome.

01:03:58.000 Hi Tim!

01:03:59.000 Hi Tim!

01:04:00.000 That would have been great.

01:04:01.000 Yeah.

01:04:02.000 You got two hours?

01:04:03.000 If you shut up randomly knocking on the door, we'd roll out the red carpet.

01:04:05.000 You'd be invited.

01:04:06.000 That would have been so funny.

01:04:07.000 Joy Reed hasn't had me on his show.

01:04:08.000 The View hasn't had me on.

01:04:10.000 Invite me!

01:04:11.000 I'm there.

01:04:12.000 I'm easy to find.

01:04:13.000 We have gotten to a point where everything is so tribalized that the idea of having a 0.96

01:04:19.000 black conservative, people are just so used to I scream my talking points at you, you 0.99

01:04:25.000 scream your talking points at me, instead of, like, hey man, no, if we all want the

01:04:30.000 best for these struggling communities, then you need to hear a diversity of opinions.

01:04:36.000 Absolutely.

01:04:36.000 There's a magazine called Ebony.

01:04:38.000 Ebony, for a time, was the most popular black magazine.

01:04:41.000 Came out once a month.

01:04:42.000 It still comes out, but doesn't have the same power it has right now.

01:04:45.000 Owned by a different family.

01:04:46.000 And every year they had a feature, Jamie, called the 100 Most Influential Black Americans.

01:04:51.000 And every year excluded from that list were Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, who was absolutely brilliant.

01:04:59.000 He was once called by David Mamet, the playwright, America's greatest contemporary philosopher, not included in Ebony, and Walter Williams, the first and only black person that I know of to be the chairman of an economics department of a non-historically black college.

01:05:12.000 They don't even know who these people are.

01:05:15.000 I didn't know Thomas Sowell, and I knew Clarence Thomas is like, the pube guy.

01:05:20.000 That's all we're told on the left.

01:05:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:22.000 Where even if you disagree with him, it's like, so how do you exclude somebody who's on the Supreme Court from one of the most influential black people in America?

01:05:30.000 I agree.

01:05:31.000 How do you do that?

01:05:32.000 But they did it every single year.

01:05:33.000 And of course, I was never in it, and a bunch of other people who are younger black conservatives were never in it.

01:05:39.000 You've seen the polling data, probably more so than I, on black voters as it pertains to the Democrats moving forward, and it's looking really bad, I hear.

01:05:47.000 Is that correct?

01:05:48.000 Yeah, well, it's down.

01:05:50.000 Blacks are still the only major demographic where Biden is still above water.

01:05:54.000 And by the way, since you brought this up, there's this business about dropkicking Biden-Kamala Harris in favor of somebody else because their poll numbers are so bad.

01:06:02.000 Kamala Harris's are worse than Joe Biden's. 0.99

01:06:05.000 Never going to happen.

01:06:06.000 The nominee in 2024 on the Democratic side will be Kamala Harris.

01:06:09.000 Really?

01:06:10.000 Joe Biden can't make it.

01:06:11.000 They have no choice.

01:06:12.000 Black people are the most loyal part of the Democratic base, and black women are more loyal than black men.

01:06:17.000 And her approval among black females is probably in the mid-70s.

01:06:21.000 And if they perceive Kamala Harris to be a dropkick for somebody else, especially a white man, after decades they've indoctrinated black people into believing when you criticize a black person, often the criticism is because of sexism and racism.

01:06:32.000 They cannot do that. 0.73

01:06:33.000 They painted themselves into a corner.

01:06:34.000 The only way Kamala Harris leaves is if she says, I want to leave. 0.54

01:06:37.000 I'm not competent.

01:06:39.000 I want somebody else to take my place.

01:06:40.000 And she's not going to do that because she ran for president. 1.00

01:06:41.000 But have you heard the theories that she'll take some prestigious offer at an NGO or something or a big global initiative?

01:06:48.000 Again, only if she says, okay, I want to leave voluntarily.

01:06:51.000 But if she's perceived as being kicked out, they will, black women will not, they will not vote Republican. 1.00

01:06:56.000 They just won't vote.

01:06:57.000 So even outside of that, it's looking like the polling has gotten so bad.

01:07:01.000 They say if Democrats lose, I think, they need at least 80% of the black vote in order to win. 0.63

01:07:09.000 If the polling for Republicans rises above 20% or something like that, the Democrats lose outright.

01:07:15.000 It's looking like we're there.

01:07:17.000 That's right.

01:07:17.000 Because the Democrats have lost the white vote since 1964.

01:07:20.000 They rely on convincing black people that the issue is social justice, not crime, not schools, not breakdown of the family, but the fact that there's systemic racism. 0.64

01:07:28.000 And Democrats have convinced black people that that's the number one problem facing America. 0.79

01:07:32.000 But something weird is happening.

01:07:33.000 The Democratic Party got whiter in the past couple of years and wealthier.

01:07:37.000 Right.

01:07:37.000 It's like they're abandoning that.

01:07:39.000 They've always been.

01:07:40.000 There's a book called Who Really Cares by a guy named Arthur C. Brooks.

01:07:43.000 He was a public policy professor at Syracuse.

01:07:48.000 He wasn't even particularly conservative.

01:07:49.000 And he found out nobody had ever done an extensive study on whether or not liberals or conservatives

01:07:53.000 were more generous or less generous.

01:07:55.000 So he did a study and he found out, much to his surprise, that conservatives were far

01:07:58.000 more generous with their time and with their money than liberals, contrary to what he thought.

01:08:03.000 And it's for two reasons.

01:08:04.000 First of all, conservatives are more religious than liberals.

01:08:09.000 Liberals give just as much money as religious conservatives do, but there are just fewer of them.

01:08:12.000 And secondly, most conservatives believe that welfare should be done people-to-people, church-to-church, organization-to-organization, not government.

01:08:19.000 And they walk the walk and talk the talk.

01:08:21.000 And so it's really interesting how a lot of black people perceive the Republicans to be only concerned about money, when in fact they're more generous with their time and with their money than liberals are.

01:08:30.000 Well, I think Republicans are spiking the football a little early on the midterms because inflation is getting a little bit better, the gas prices are getting a little bit better, and they're able to spend the jobs report, even though most of these jobs that were created The last month were part-time jobs.

01:08:51.000 And the media is still in bed with Joe Biden.

01:08:54.000 They can't stand Republicans. 0.97

01:08:55.000 They fear, deathly fear, that Donald Trump will rear his ugly head in 2024.

01:08:59.000 And so no matter what it is, they spin it in favor of Joe Biden.

01:09:02.000 I mean, the guy doesn't even know where he is.

01:09:04.000 And the Hunter Biden story has been suppressed still, and they're not connecting the dots.

01:09:08.000 It's not about Hunter Biden's crack habit.

01:09:09.000 I don't care about that.

01:09:10.000 I care about whether or not Joe Biden is compromised.

01:09:13.000 And apparently he is.

01:09:14.000 Yeah, I've been saying this, man.

01:09:17.000 People, they look at the historical trends where the president's party loses seats in their first term.

01:09:23.000 They're looking at the misery index saying Democrats are going to get crushed.

01:09:28.000 And then there are some polls that just came out recently, in aggregate, showing that the race is tightened.

01:09:34.000 That Republicans, so for months, we're talking about how Republicans were up three points in the generic ballot, which is apocalyptic for Democrats.

01:09:42.000 Now it's like 0.1, or even I think 538 has it inverted, Democrats have took the lead again.

01:09:48.000 Still, historically, that should signal Democrats losing.

01:09:51.000 But I'm telling people, if you look at that stuff and you think that means, you know, Absolutely.

01:09:56.000 Yeah, we're treating Biden right now like a, like a toxic boyfriend or girlfriend where it's like, I know I should break up with her, but I don't want to get back on Tinder.

01:10:01.000 the polling, no matter what the polls are, you need to get three or even 10 of your friends

01:10:06.000 to go out and vote.

01:10:07.000 Yeah.

01:10:08.000 We're treating Biden right now like a, like a toxic boyfriend or girlfriend where it's

01:10:10.000 like, I know I should break up with her, but I don't want to get back on Tinder.

01:10:13.000 Like, and it's like, we have to, we have to hold it.

01:10:16.000 And we don't know how the reversal of Roe v. Wade is going to play.

01:10:20.000 There are lots of things that can happen between now and then.

01:10:22.000 That seems to have helped Democrats.

01:10:24.000 It has, yeah.

01:10:25.000 It certainly helped their fundraising.

01:10:27.000 Absolutely.

01:10:28.000 And if you look at RealClearPolitics, you can see that the gap just closed from Democrats to Republicans.

01:10:33.000 In aggregate, this is not one single poll.

01:10:35.000 Yeah and again I don't even know if I'm a democrat anymore you guys.

01:10:39.000 I've been calling myself a bleeding heart centrist but I will say like for liberals listening you want to hold your party accountable.

01:10:49.000 You want to have the best democratic party that actually has values and morals and isn't just a bunch of corporate hacks.

01:10:58.000 You want the best But who are you talking to?

01:11:01.000 You don't want to just blindly support a president who's doing a terrible job because that is bad for the future of

01:11:08.000 the party That's bad for you. Who are you talking to? I don't know

01:11:12.000 man. There's another person out there like me somewhere You just changed somebody's life. I hope so

01:11:18.000 I feel like for you you had to get thrown to the wolves by the left before you finally well

01:11:22.000 That's why I'm trying to help everybody listening It's like, guys, don't rock bottom like me.

01:11:27.000 Don't let your life be destroyed before you're like, maybe I should have a Republican friend.

01:11:32.000 Just one, because they'll be like, I don't care about your politics anymore.

01:11:35.000 And I'm like, oh, we can just hang out and play basketball.

01:11:37.000 What was the spark where you realized something was amiss?

01:11:40.000 I mean, I did before my life fell apart.

01:11:43.000 It was when I would hang out with prominent liberals and they would talk a certain way and say that certain things were silly and then they would go to their Twitter and say the opposite.

01:11:55.000 And that's why I'm like, oh, we're, we're lying.

01:11:58.000 Um, it was when the first time I talked to people who were more conservative or libertarians were people of color at my jiu-jitsu gym, where when I went to like staff meetings of liberal publications, their get-togethers in like Park Slope, Brooklyn, it was very, very white and very, very privileged.

01:12:19.000 You're like, hey, all that stuff you're saying, it applies to this room. 0.97

01:12:21.000 And they're like, shh, shut up. 0.99

01:12:22.000 Yeah, yeah! 0.99

01:12:23.000 Get out! 0.98

01:12:23.000 But it was that, it was they'll be tweeting about Black Lives Matter as they're walking down the street, and they're like, oh, black person, cross the street, cross the street, cross the street. 0.98

01:12:29.000 Like, it was just, it was the hypocrisy.

01:12:31.000 This is Sweden, in my experience, to the T. Because I went to Sweden, do you remember that, when Donald Trump said, you know, the last night in Sweden thing?

01:12:39.000 Do you remember that?

01:12:41.000 So this was back in 2017, there was a documentary that came up on Fox, or like a short talking about crime going up in Sweden.

01:12:49.000 I go there, and I find that a lot of the claims are largely exaggerated and didn't understand the complexities of Sweden, but what I did find is that people in Sweden are, so many of them, not all of them, but so much of their culture was very much in advance of how the U.S.

01:13:02.000 was, they are, like they're Scandinavian white people, talking about how not racist they are, and then trying everything in their power to keep black people away from them, because they were just, they wanted people to think they weren't racist, But they were really racist, but I should also say maybe that's actually wrong.

01:13:19.000 Maybe I should say culturist because they didn't like people who didn't speak their language.

01:13:24.000 They didn't like people who didn't look like them.

01:13:26.000 So it was not just race.

01:13:28.000 It was even, even white people who didn't speak, you know, Swedish, they'd be like, well, we don't want to work with you.

01:13:33.000 It's just, we don't, we don't want you around. 0.97

01:13:34.000 They're just D-bags in general. 1.00

01:13:35.000 I'm thinking like if you're raised, if I was raised in like a tribe in Africa with people with darker skin tone or whatever, that I, then I would be weirded out by people with light skin tone. 0.99

01:13:45.000 If I saw, not necessarily weirded out, but like, it's a familiarity bias.

01:13:48.000 I don't even know what racism is.

01:13:49.000 Like I think racism, small R and racism, big R. Big R is where you're like, you're different than me.

01:13:55.000 It's, you know, racial slur.

01:13:57.000 And where a small R maybe is more classist.

01:14:01.000 I don't know.

01:14:02.000 But again, this is America. 0.77

01:14:03.000 This is the only majority white country that's elected the black president.

01:14:07.000 There is a sociologist at Harvard.

01:14:09.000 All sociologists are left-wing.

01:14:10.000 His name is Orlando Patterson.

01:14:12.000 He's black.

01:14:13.000 And in the 90s, he says America is the least racist majority white society in the world, provides more opportunities for blacks than any society in the world, including all of those of Africa.

01:14:22.000 I want to tell you a quick story, Jamie.

01:14:23.000 When my race was over, I'm in a restaurant in L.A.

01:14:27.000 on the west side, and I get there, and my buddy hasn't arrived yet, and there's a table next to me with two ladies, and I think they feel sorry for me, so they start talking to me.

01:14:36.000 And they were 85 years old.

01:14:37.000 They'd known each other since the second grade.

01:14:38.000 They were Jewish.

01:14:40.000 One was a human rights activist, whatever that means.

01:14:42.000 The other one was a psychotherapist.

01:14:44.000 And then about 15 minutes into the conversation, one of them said, wait a minute, I know who you are.

01:14:49.000 You're that guy that ran for governor.

01:14:51.000 I said, that's right.

01:14:52.000 And she had a big smile.

01:14:53.000 She said, guess who I voted for?

01:14:54.000 I said, you didn't vote for me.

01:14:56.000 And she said, how do you know that?

01:14:57.000 I said, let's see.

01:14:58.000 We're in the West side of LA.

01:14:59.000 You're both Jewish.

01:15:00.000 One of you is a human rights activist.

01:15:02.000 It doesn't take Columbo to put that together.

01:15:03.000 You didn't vote for me.

01:15:04.000 And she said, no, you're right.

01:15:05.000 I didn't.

01:15:06.000 I said, how do you feel about the crime?

01:15:08.000 And she said, I have a friend who got mugged and told me about that.

01:15:10.000 I said, how do you feel about the quality of our schools?

01:15:12.000 She said, I would never put my kids in a public school.

01:15:14.000 How do you feel about the way Gavin Newsom shut down the state in a more severe way than anybody else did?

01:15:18.000 Sitting up there at that restaurant, not wearing a mask, not engaging in social distancing with the people that drafted the mandates, had his own kids in person.

01:15:24.000 She said, I thought it was hypocritical.

01:15:25.000 How do you feel about the fact that people are leaving California?

01:15:27.000 So they agree with me on everything.

01:15:29.000 I said, so here we are completing each other's sentences, yet you wouldn't vote for me.

01:15:33.000 Do you have any Republican friends at all?

01:15:35.000 And they look at each other, and they admitted that they didn't.

01:15:37.000 They said, this is the first time you've ever had a conversation with somebody who's conservative, isn't it?

01:15:40.000 And they both said yes.

01:15:41.000 I mean, honestly.

01:15:43.000 Talk about being in a cocoon. 0.97

01:15:45.000 You should have just called them racist bigots.

01:15:47.000 All those things you said were conservative, alt-right talking points.

01:15:50.000 And then be like, buy my book!

01:15:51.000 I think one of the most insidious words is when, if you change your mind, you're called a grifter.

01:15:55.000 And I've made jokes about this.

01:15:56.000 I think it's...

01:15:57.000 And I ordered lobster.

01:15:58.000 I think...

01:15:59.000 I would have been ordered lobster of course.

01:16:00.000 I don't even like lobster.

01:16:01.000 Then I upped it, yeah.

01:16:02.000 I think one of the most insidious words is when if you change your mind, you're called

01:16:08.000 a grifter.

01:16:10.000 And I've made jokes about this.

01:16:11.000 I've made jokes about it on Cast Castle on the podcast because essentially it's saying

01:16:15.000 that if you evolve a viewpoint, if you step out of your bubble, if you, you know, I mean,

01:16:23.000 I didn't, I expected when I came on this show that I would just kind of be like token liberal

01:16:28.000 guy, make jokes, make fun of myself, all done.

01:16:32.000 And I've been fascinated at How my, a lot of my views have changed and not because, you know, Tim hired me when I was like liberal, liberal, liberal.

01:16:44.000 Um, my views have changed because I'm just talking to different people, which we should all be doing.

01:16:50.000 And in fact, when I talked to some conservative friends and I still give some of my bleeding heart points of view, they go, Oh man, I never thought of that either.

01:16:57.000 And that's good as well.

01:16:59.000 You're not grifting, you're growing.

01:17:01.000 This is what I try to explain to people.

01:17:02.000 You're searching for the truth.

01:17:04.000 I'm searching for the truth.

01:17:05.000 You are.

01:17:06.000 And if you have that, I don't care if you're a Republican.

01:17:08.000 Malcolm X said, I'm for the truth no matter who's telling it.

01:17:11.000 And that's how I feel.

01:17:12.000 I'm willing to change my mind.

01:17:14.000 Make me change my mind.

01:17:14.000 Give me the facts.

01:17:15.000 Give me something I've said wrong, thought wrong, and I will change my mind.

01:17:18.000 My God, I got excited when you quoted Malcolm X. Okay, I'm back, I'm focused.

01:17:22.000 One thing you gotta be careful of is love bombs from getting this new crowd of followers.

01:17:26.000 Oh, we talked about that with the Marjorie Taylor Greene where every time now I get a compliment, they're like, we're love bombing you, Jamie.

01:17:32.000 And I'm like, I know.

01:17:33.000 Because it feels good to get accepted.

01:17:36.000 It does.

01:17:36.000 Well, and, and look, man, I still see a lot of stuff.

01:17:40.000 I'll tweet like an innocuous joke about, you know, something I saw that day.

01:17:45.000 And, you know, I know people who found me on here are like, we'll just start like ranting about Biden.

01:17:50.000 And I'm like, okay, bud, like you can take it down.

01:17:52.000 I'm not a Biden fan, but I think that look, when you start changing your mind because you're being accepted, no good.

01:17:59.000 If you're doing it for a paycheck, that's where the term grifter.

01:18:03.000 Make sense.

01:18:03.000 If you are asking questions to people on the left and to people on the right and your only goal, like you said, Larry, is justifying the truth or like, dude, I just want people to start coming up with solutions.

01:18:16.000 And I know that if we're screaming it, that's why my questions to you.

01:18:20.000 We're all about like, Hey, how do we get people to talk about this?

01:18:23.000 Hey, take politics out.

01:18:24.000 What do you, what are you telling someone who's struggling?

01:18:26.000 How do you act as a man?

01:18:28.000 Like forget what party you are.

01:18:29.000 Let me actually ask you then, I guess, the next step in the question of solutions.

01:18:35.000 If the perception is that people are unwilling to listen, they're hyper-tribalized, you're friends of 40 years, I think you said, was it 40 years?

01:18:41.000 Wouldn't even read an article.

01:18:44.000 Where do you think this is all heading?

01:18:46.000 Well, there's a certain percentage of people that you have to write off.

01:18:49.000 They will not listen.

01:18:50.000 They do not care.

01:18:52.000 They're locked into their positions.

01:18:54.000 I'm not sure what the percentage of that is.

01:18:55.000 There was a 2002 Fox Opinion poll.

01:18:58.000 8% of Americans believe Elvis is still alive.

01:19:01.000 6% believe if you send them a letter you'll get it.

01:19:03.000 Now it seems to me that 8% you just gotta write them off. 0.99

01:19:07.000 I think most people are pursuing their own personal interest.

01:19:13.000 They want to realize their God-given potential.

01:19:16.000 I think most people do that.

01:19:17.000 And if you are persistent and you say things in a persuasive way, simply, I think most people will at least listen to you.

01:19:27.000 At least I operate under that assumption.

01:19:29.000 And you have to operate under that assumption.

01:19:30.000 Other than, how do you get up in the morning and just go, half the country is irredeemable.

01:19:35.000 I'm going to avoid that.

01:19:37.000 I just can't do that.

01:19:38.000 And I won't do that.

01:19:38.000 You guys said earlier, like, the truth, that you're both seeking the truth.

01:19:41.000 I get nervous about that because I feel like it's subjective, and that there's no absolute truth.

01:19:47.000 It's facts.

01:19:48.000 You could say there are facts, but the way you look at the fact is your version of the fact.

01:19:52.000 Well, either Donald Trump mocked a handicapped reporter, or he didn't.

01:19:56.000 Either Donald Trump said there were good Nazis and bad Nazis in Charlottesville, or he didn't.

01:20:00.000 These are just facts.

01:20:01.000 He did not do that.

01:20:02.000 He did not mock a reporter, yet much of the country believes that.

01:20:07.000 I don't believe in this.

01:20:08.000 I'll tell you my truth.

01:20:09.000 There is a truth.

01:20:11.000 Often it's hard to find, and often things are gray, but there are certain things that happened and didn't happen.

01:20:15.000 2 plus 2 equals 4.

01:20:16.000 I don't care how you feel.

01:20:18.000 Well, wait a second.

01:20:19.000 What your sexual orientation is, 2 plus 2 still equals 4. 0.80

01:20:24.000 I think that a piece of relationship advice I actually give that I think we could really use when it comes to politics is if me and Ian are in a relationship and we get into a fight and all I want to do is prove that Ian's wrong and all he wants to do is prove that I'm wrong.

01:20:41.000 Nothing's going to get accomplished.

01:20:43.000 You know, even sometimes by the time, let's say I apologized, then maybe even Ian throws in something like, yeah, we should apologize.

01:20:49.000 You really hurt me.

01:20:49.000 It's like, oh man, we're still going.

01:20:52.000 And I think that if you're in a fight with your girlfriend or boyfriend or whoever, if you can just focus on, hey, what can I, what could I have done better?

01:21:01.000 Even if I'm in, even if clearly my girlfriend was in the wrong, right?

01:21:05.000 And I'm just like, well, I guess I could have reacted better.

01:21:07.000 And then I get to bring that to the table and she brings that what she did wrong to the table. 1.00

01:21:11.000 Now we both grow.

01:21:12.000 I wish that Republicans could hold themselves accountable.

01:21:17.000 More liberals could hold themselves accountable more.

01:21:19.000 And instead of just attack, attack, attack, it could just be, Hey, how do we get better?

01:21:25.000 And again, I don't even know.

01:21:26.000 I think you got to listen to the people you don't like.

01:21:28.000 That's what it is.

01:21:29.000 It's heroic.

01:21:29.000 Of course.

01:21:30.000 Like the truth is factual, but the way people feel is how you convince.

01:21:34.000 So people want to, I think some people maybe want to just lay it on the facts

01:21:39.000 and be like, this is the truth.

01:21:41.000 But if you don't feel what they feel about it, then it's not, the word true doesn't really ring.

01:21:46.000 You have to connect with them on like a human level.

01:21:48.000 I think I'm sure you've learned that in years of, of radio and speaking where it's, yeah, if you're just shouting facts that someone who disagrees with you, you're right.

01:21:56.000 They could totally tune out.

01:21:57.000 But if you can actually connect with them as a person through like stories, like the stories you tell about your friends, I go, Ooh, I've had a friend I've had to walk away from, from that.

01:22:05.000 And you feel it and you can connect to it.

01:22:06.000 And then you can listen.

01:22:07.000 My mom, my mom used to say the truth will not set you free if delivered without hope.

01:22:15.000 I want to jump to this story and announcement.

01:22:18.000 Ladies and gentlemen, TimCast.com is officially NewsGuard certified.

01:22:22.000 They gave us a score of an 82 out of 100.

01:22:25.000 The reason I think this warrants a story is why they gave us an X on one issue of gathering and presenting information responsibly.

01:22:33.000 To put it simply, We adhere to all standards of NewsGuard.

01:22:37.000 For those that are not familiar, NewsGuard is a certification agency that rates all news organizations.

01:22:42.000 It is used by big tech companies to determine whether or not you can share the content or if it's seen by others.

01:22:48.000 Because in about five stories out of 4,000, it's 3,892 stories.

01:22:51.000 Five of them had issues.

01:22:57.000 One of them, I believe, was a fact issue.

01:23:00.000 Two of them were for quoting the president himself.

01:23:03.000 And two were because we had sentences that were just a little too similar to other organizations, even though the sentences themselves were quite generic.

01:23:10.000 The reason why I think this is relevant.

01:23:12.000 This affects how we get viewed on Facebook.

01:23:14.000 If you share one of our articles, this is how the cathedral operates.

01:23:18.000 We use NewsGuard as a bias checker on our own.

01:23:21.000 It's also a shield.

01:23:23.000 If we report a story that says, how about this?

01:23:25.000 The Hunter Biden laptop was confirmed and the emails in it are known to be real.

01:23:31.000 Well, if someone tries claiming we're spreading conspiracy theories, I need only look to the Daily Mail and the New York Post, who are certified by NewsGuard and said this is true.

01:23:41.000 And then I can say, take it up with that certified agency used by big tech companies.

01:23:46.000 They claimed That because in two articles we did a fact-based report, Donald Trump says, quote, in response to quote, that because we didn't run a fact check, we are irresponsible and sharing misleading information.

01:24:02.000 Because as NewsGuard said, Trump's quotes were provably false.

01:24:06.000 I said, okay, how about this?

01:24:08.000 We weren't doing a fact-check article.

01:24:10.000 We were just reporting the news.

01:24:12.000 But if you want, moving forward, we will include a fact-check.

01:24:16.000 Here's where it gets really funny.

01:24:17.000 As I stated, this is what the institution, the cathedral, uses.

01:24:20.000 It's funded by, I believe, Microsoft and Bill Gates, particularly, or people mention it.

01:24:24.000 It may just be Microsoft.

01:24:27.000 In the nutrition label, and again, I have to stress this because this is what they consider to be the standard for big tech, they had four errors outright.

01:24:39.000 Incorrectly labeling my job at Timcast, at Vice, and at Fusion.

01:24:42.000 Falsely labeling Tales from the Inverted World as science fiction and fantasy.

01:24:47.000 They corrected all of those immediately only after I told them they made the mistake.

01:24:52.000 They injected opinion, referring to Cask Castle as mundane, and the best part of the whole thing is they- That's the most offensive part of it all.

01:24:59.000 Thank you.

01:25:00.000 I think it's stellar work.

01:25:02.000 They have injected a false quote from me, which has to be the most egregious thing, and this is what I want to say, and I want it to be on the record, and forgive me if it's a bit internal or esoteric to the industry.

01:25:16.000 When you have an organization that violates its own standards and accuses you of being irresponsible, well, now we have... The FBI?

01:25:24.000 I'm just kidding, by the way.

01:25:25.000 Perhaps, yes.

01:25:26.000 Well, you've got an issue there.

01:25:28.000 So let me... I want to show you this.

01:25:30.000 They say, asked by NewsGuard about the above unchallenged claims.

01:25:33.000 This was because we quoted, we said, Donald Trump says quote.

01:25:38.000 In an email, Poole said, we will institute a policy immediately on all quotes bracket that are false bracket moving forward to run fact checks and we'll have those two articles updated immediately.

01:25:50.000 I never said that, nor did I imply it.

01:25:53.000 Quite the opposite.

01:25:55.000 I told NewsGuard that if you require us to run a fact check on Donald Trump's quotes, the policy would require us to fact check every single quote from anyone we ever report on.

01:26:07.000 And we will do that if that's what your standard dictates.

01:26:11.000 That would put NewsGuard in an impossible situation and potentially put them in civil tort liability positions, so they injected a false quote from me that said that are false, which I never said.

01:26:22.000 I have requested a correction twice now on that false quote.

01:26:25.000 They have not corrected it.

01:26:27.000 So, But Tim, they did not call you the black face of white supremacy.

01:26:30.000 Now that's special.

01:26:32.000 So give them that.

01:26:32.000 That should be the blurb on every book.

01:26:35.000 This is the standard by which the media operates.

01:26:37.000 It is impossible standard.

01:26:39.000 That being said, an 82 out of 100 is one of the highest ratings you can probably get.

01:26:43.000 We got one ding.

01:26:44.000 But we have five articles out of 3,892.

01:26:48.000 This needs to be said so that you all understand.

01:26:50.000 For one, I am already preparing litigation.

01:26:53.000 NewsGuard, you are being warned, okay?

01:26:55.000 I will be very distinct and clear.

01:26:57.000 Give me standing against Wikipedia and I will launch a lawsuit in two seconds and put my money where my mouth is.

01:27:03.000 NewsGuard, you want to claim we are irresponsible?

01:27:06.000 Here's what they claimed.

01:27:08.000 Because they alerted us to five articles and we didn't catch them, that means we're irresponsible.

01:27:13.000 I got six errors from you on your own website.

01:27:17.000 If your standard is that we have to be more responsible than you are, I'd love to see you file that in court so I can parade it around after we file if you don't correct this.

01:27:26.000 Also, what are the news organizations that led us into war with Iraq?

01:27:30.000 What are their ratings?

01:27:31.000 100 out of 100.

01:27:32.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I give you USA Today.

01:27:36.000 USA Today receives a 100 out of 100 credibility rating, despite the fact that on their page they say, in June 2022, USA Today took down nearly two dozen stories by a reporter whom the newspaper said appeared to have made up people she quoted.

01:27:51.000 NewsGuard fabricated a quote from me.

01:27:54.000 They even acknowledge USA Today fabricated stories, but they are 100 out of 100.

01:27:59.000 I would argue, That this has to put them in some kind of civil tort territory.

01:28:07.000 I will show every single certification they've ever given and I will show they have no legitimate standards.

01:28:13.000 And I want them, in court, to admit it.

01:28:16.000 USA Today drove that story several years ago that black churches were being burned because of racism.

01:28:21.000 And it turned out completely, totally bogus.

01:28:24.000 There were more mosques and synagogues that were burned.

01:28:27.000 Most of the black churches that were burned were in the forest, in the woods.

01:28:30.000 Very few of them were burned as a result of somebody doing it because of racism.

01:28:34.000 Completely set this whole country, pardon the expression, on fire.

01:28:37.000 The story was completely and totally bogus.

01:28:40.000 I am just learning that today in 2022.

01:28:42.000 And what did they say about us?

01:28:44.000 We quoted Trump, but didn't include context challenging Trump.

01:28:49.000 Which, by the way, is misleading.

01:28:51.000 You, as a news organization, quoting the President of the United States, either way, whether Trump was right or wrong, is still covering the news.

01:29:01.000 And it is certainly, certainly less nefarious than NewsGuard purposefully misquoting you.

01:29:08.000 I will add, this is part of what gives them the credibility as their agency, but I want to stress that it's used by these big tech companies.

01:29:15.000 But I also want to stress, the purpose here is to show you what their standard is.

01:29:19.000 When they claim the New York Times is factual, when they claim that USA Today is factual, they emailed me saying, you're going to love this guys, because we didn't talk too much about this before.

01:29:28.000 I'm going to flip the table over.

01:29:29.000 The first thing they tried getting us on, saying these are fake news, was that the Hunter Biden laptop story.

01:29:34.000 They said, you claimed that Hunter Biden, in an email, was seeking funding for biolabs or whatever.

01:29:41.000 And I said, well, I didn't claim that.

01:29:43.000 The Daily Mail and the New York Post did.

01:29:45.000 And they said, that's not been verified.

01:29:47.000 I said, I'm sorry.

01:29:48.000 You certified the Daily Mail and the New York Post as credible agencies, which I used in my assessment of their fact statements.

01:29:56.000 Would you like to now have on the record that you don't consider your own certifications to be viable?

01:30:01.000 They immediately responded with, this one's too murky so we're going to ignore it.

01:30:05.000 And I said, you refuse to admit that you're challenging your own certifications.

01:30:11.000 I will.

01:30:11.000 You've got to understand, guys, this culture war and the issues we're facing with censorship are deeper than just one story about Elon Musk and Twitter.

01:30:22.000 Of course they are.

01:30:22.000 And behind the scenes, I want to let you all know, people are saying, like, why don't you do more?

01:30:27.000 Put your money where your mouth is.

01:30:29.000 I have harped on Wikipedia for defamation because Wikipedia says, from Wikipedia, on every article.

01:30:38.000 That is a byline.

01:30:40.000 I don't have standing to sue them.

01:30:42.000 You need standing and you need injury.

01:30:44.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, that's correct?

01:30:45.000 Why don't you have standing?

01:30:47.000 They did not defame me.

01:30:48.000 Wikipedia, their article about me is actually fairly neutral or opinion.

01:30:54.000 Veritas, I believe Wikipedia's, I'm not James so I don't know for sure, but I believe it's verifiably false what they've published, which means they would have standing and then what they need to do is challenge Wikipedia's 230 protections under the grounds that they've put their byline on the article.

01:31:10.000 Not the users.

01:31:12.000 As for NewsGuard, I have done everything to make sure that anything they do grants me standing, so I can make sure they have to file in court why they're lying, have no standards, or are factually incorrect, and then I will... we'll just leave it at that for the time being.

01:31:28.000 Now, I like NewsGuard in that if they... I like in the respect that We'll use them, and I'll say, don't look at me, they're the ones certifying it.

01:31:39.000 I'll pass the buck to them.

01:31:40.000 That's what they are, the responsibilities they are taking, and I can respect that.

01:31:43.000 But don't come to me and tell me there is no standard by which we can be deemed a credible news organization when you have lower standards for other organizations.

01:31:50.000 That I find to be slanderous and defamatory, and the fact that they fabricated a quote for me crossed the line. 0.98

01:31:56.000 I was content with saying, they need to correct this earlier today, until I read they fabricated a quote for me to protect their asses. 0.95

01:32:03.000 Did they take a quote and then add stuff to it? 0.96

01:32:05.000 Yep.

01:32:05.000 What did they add exactly?

01:32:06.000 They added bracket, that was false.

01:32:09.000 To imply.

01:32:09.000 Oh, bracket.

01:32:11.000 So they're assuming you implied that.

01:32:13.000 Which is also, I believe, I would argue maybe even grounds for malice because what I actually said was, it's an impossible standard, but we'll do it.

01:32:22.000 To add those words is to imply my statement was actually that we will begin fact-checking false statements that we weren't fact-checking before.

01:32:30.000 It is to imply that I was accepting false statements.

01:32:35.000 No, we have a corrections policy and we don't allow false statements.

01:32:38.000 But you can't know if something's false until after you fact-check it.

01:32:41.000 Exactly. 0.94

01:32:42.000 It's ridiculous.

01:32:42.000 Because they knew my statement to be included would show that they have broken standards.

01:32:48.000 They put a fake quote in place.

01:32:51.000 I'm not standing for that.

01:32:52.000 I hope I have some basis for a lawsuit.

01:32:53.000 After my campaign for governor, I was just a skosh under a million followers on Twitter.

01:32:58.000 Over the next several months, I lost about 30,000.

01:33:00.000 And I still lose about 100 per day.

01:33:03.000 However, a few weeks ago, when Elon Musk announced his intention to buy Twitter, I gained 10,000 followers within 24 hours.

01:33:12.000 How does that happen?

01:33:13.000 You're not alone.

01:33:13.000 I know.

01:33:15.000 And a lot of conservatives gained a lot of, and a lot of liberals lost a lot of followers in one fell swoop within 24, 48 hours.

01:33:20.000 That is some severe, some malpractice.

01:33:23.000 Tell me about it.

01:33:24.000 Something.

01:33:25.000 Something.

01:33:26.000 We're going to go to Super Chats.

01:33:27.000 That's like a class action thing.

01:33:29.000 I've got to, we're going to Super Chats, but YouTube has been breaking on us.

01:33:34.000 So before we do, Larry, what's your mom's name?

01:33:36.000 Cause I want to attribute that quote to her.

01:33:38.000 Viola Elder.

01:33:39.000 Can you say that quote one more time?

01:33:41.000 Like the instrument.

01:33:42.000 The truth will not set you free if delivered without hope.

01:33:47.000 My husband and I have been having an ongoing conversation over whether facts care about your feelings, and I argue that you can't convince someone of a fact unless you also care about the feelings.

01:33:55.000 It's kind of like what Maya Angelou said.

01:33:57.000 She said people will forget what you said, they'll forget what you did, but they'll never forget how you feel.

01:34:01.000 My mother couldn't stand Maya Angelou. 1.00

01:34:04.000 I thought she was phony. 1.00

01:34:05.000 By the way, you know she's not a doctor.

01:34:07.000 They call her Dr. Maya.

01:34:08.000 She's in no degree.

01:34:09.000 Oh, really?

01:34:10.000 My mother thought she was completely phony, thought her accent was all made up. 0.74

01:34:13.000 My mother couldn't stand her. 1.00

01:34:15.000 Can you guys call me doctor from now on?

01:34:17.000 I'll call you anything you want.

01:34:18.000 Dr. Maya Angelou.

01:34:20.000 Is it Viola?

01:34:22.000 V-I-O-L-A? 0.90

01:34:22.000 Yes. 0.90

01:34:23.000 Nice.

01:34:23.000 So I don't like to use that Maya Angelou quote because I don't like her either, but I think she has a point in that people don't really care if you're presenting them with facts, if you appear to not care about how they feel.

01:34:33.000 Well, that's why comedy can be so powerful, right?

01:34:35.000 It evokes a physical feeling, and then if you can laugh together, chances are you can figure some stuff out together.

01:34:41.000 And it would be nice if late night comedy wasn't so far to the left.

01:34:44.000 The only one is Greg Gutfeld, the only one that's late night that is not left-wing.

01:34:49.000 And to be fair, about 15% of young people admit that they get their primary source of news from the monologues.

01:34:54.000 Larry, I would like to argue that they're also not funny, so not technically convenient.

01:34:59.000 Well, we're going to go to Super Chats.

01:35:01.000 If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button and subscribe to this channel?

01:35:05.000 We are going to have the Members Only Uncensored After Hours show that will be published on the website, TimCast.com, at about 11pm.

01:35:11.000 Stick around for that.

01:35:12.000 Let's read some Super Chats. 0.87

01:35:14.000 YouTube imploded, but we found a way to make sure we can get through as many as we can.

01:35:18.000 We've got, how does it say, Late Night HVAC says, DeSantis Elder 2024.

01:35:24.000 I'm liking it.

01:35:26.000 Where do I sign?

01:35:28.000 I'm making no announcement, but where do I sign?

01:35:31.000 All right, let's see. 0.90

01:35:33.000 Lord Blueberry says, is that the black face of white supremacy I see? 0.82

01:35:37.000 That's what the LA Times called me.

01:35:39.000 Her initials are Erica D. Smith.

01:35:42.000 When I ran, she ran a column, and the headline was, Ian, Larry Elder is the black face of white supremacy sub-headline, you've been warned.

01:35:51.000 There's another columnist with the LA Times named Jean Guerrero who referred to my views as white supremacists.

01:35:56.000 What did you say that made people think that?

01:35:58.000 Tell me about it.

01:35:58.000 I invited Erica Smith on my show when the campaign was over to explain it.

01:36:02.000 She wouldn't come on.

01:36:03.000 Right.

01:36:04.000 Tavis Smiley, I interviewed with him, a black host who was on PBS for years.

01:36:08.000 I remember Tavis Smiley.

01:36:09.000 And he referred to me in my interview as anti-black.

01:36:12.000 I said, Tavis, why am I anti-black?

01:36:14.000 What view do I have that's anti-black?

01:36:15.000 He said, you're opposed to reparations.

01:36:17.000 I said, Obama was opposed to reparations until a year ago.

01:36:19.000 Was he anti-black until a year ago?

01:36:21.000 You know, I'm open to repairing things, but I don't think throwing money at the problem is the way to repair systems.

01:36:26.000 We need a holistic refunction of our monetary system.

01:36:29.000 Furthermore, if you're talking about reparations, I mean, who should pay reparations?

01:36:32.000 The flavor was the Democratic Party.

01:36:35.000 Democrats owned slaves.

01:36:36.000 Republicans didn't.

01:36:37.000 Only about 5% have some sort of generational connection to slavery.

01:36:40.000 So all the people that came here after the Civil War, World War I, World War II, they should be paying into it. 0.87

01:36:45.000 It's ridiculous.

01:36:46.000 It was 150 years ago. 0.98

01:36:47.000 And furthermore, Without the complicity of African chieftains, slavery could not have taken place. 0.96

01:36:54.000 They aided the European slave trade, the Islamic slave trade. 0.93

01:36:57.000 After we pay reparations, do they then go to Africa and get money from that and get reimbursed from Africans because of this? 0.99

01:37:04.000 Did you see Native American chieftains make bank when they sold out their tribes to the settlers?

01:37:09.000 They did.

01:37:10.000 Let's read some more.

01:37:11.000 We got Siege.

01:37:11.000 He says, some of my earliest memories are listening to the Sage from South Central on KABC in the mid-90s driving with my dad.

01:37:18.000 We've got a country to save now more than ever.

01:37:21.000 It's one of my standard lines.

01:37:22.000 We've got a country to save.

01:37:23.000 Wow.

01:37:23.000 Yep.

01:37:24.000 I got a lot of lines.

01:37:25.000 All right, Sideways.

01:37:27.000 The Great Elderski.

01:37:28.000 The Czar of Common Sense.

01:37:31.000 Don Lorenzo.

01:37:34.000 Sideways says, Ian, I finally understand your views on the Federal Reserve.

01:37:38.000 I watched a mini documentary on it and had no idea they were a private entity and that they really have more power than lawmakers.

01:37:44.000 That's awesome. 0.98

01:37:45.000 Watching that documentary, it's so nuts, dude, when you start to figure out what the fuck is going on. 0.93

01:37:50.000 You looked so vindicated when Tim was reading that. 0.99

01:37:52.000 I was very psyched.

01:37:53.000 People are waking up.

01:37:55.000 And they're printing money like crazy.

01:37:57.000 Yeah.

01:37:57.000 I mean, on the books, $27 trillion.

01:37:59.000 What's off the books?

01:38:01.000 And the whole point behind the Federal Reserve was to avoid depressions and recessions.

01:38:04.000 We've had many of them since they've been around.

01:38:06.000 And you could argue that they are the ones that caused it.

01:38:08.000 I think we need an audit of the Federal Reserve, which is going to lead to a repeal of the Federal Reserve Act.

01:38:12.000 Perhaps.

01:38:13.000 Here we go.

01:38:14.000 Sivan Young says, Larry, I love Thomas Sowell.

01:38:17.000 So could you tell me your opinion of James B. Stewart's critique of black rednecks and white liberals?

01:38:22.000 It's the only academic critique I could find of him.

01:38:24.000 I messaged your show about this a while back.

01:38:26.000 I don't remember what James Stewart said about it.

01:38:29.000 I love the book.

01:38:31.000 I don't know what the criticism is.

01:38:33.000 Well done.

01:38:34.000 So I'll take a pass on that one.

01:38:35.000 Do you think with the, I mean, kind of on the same subject, with the accusations of being a white supremacist, I can't believe I just said that to your face!

01:38:45.000 I couldn't even make eye contact with you!

01:38:47.000 Come on, Jamie. I worked hard for that. Yeah. Okay. Sorry.

01:38:49.000 Sorry. Sorry. Well, it's an honor.

01:38:51.000 Yeah, that's right. Do you I mean, man, like hearing you explain these views long form on

01:38:59.000 this show. It's you're not saying racism doesn't exist. So let's leave the problem alone. You're

01:39:07.000 offering solutions to help black communities. And so if you're trying to still help the black

01:39:11.000 communities, even if people on the left don't agree with you, that's not white supremacist. 0.96

01:39:15.000 It would be white supremacism if you were like get them out of here.

01:39:18.000 Why can't we have a discussion about that?

01:39:19.000 You know, Jamie, over the years I will get a letter from somebody or somebody will call my show and say, now Larry, you say racism doesn't exist, but let me tell you something.

01:39:27.000 I said, $100,000 to your favorite charity where you can find where Larry Elder wrote or ever said racism doesn't exist.

01:39:32.000 I've never said that.

01:39:33.000 The fact that I believe that racism is no longer a major problem in America does not mean I don't believe it exists.

01:39:39.000 I've never said that.

01:39:40.000 How do you get from that to that?

01:39:42.000 Right?

01:39:42.000 I think it's like Roman supremacy.

01:39:44.000 People get really, sometimes they get fired up when I talk about the Roman Empire, but I feel like the Romans were the slaveocracy to try to conquer the world. 0.85

01:39:51.000 Then they built a church.

01:39:52.000 And this Roman Catholic church now is like still in control of people's minds. 1.00

01:39:56.000 And white or black, it don't matter, man. 0.90

01:39:59.000 When there's a group of consciousness that's attempting to control things.

01:40:03.000 There's, I definitely think that there is a, you know, the Jesuit, like the Black Pope. 0.78

01:40:09.000 You want to look at the power of the Pope and the Black Pope? 0.65

01:40:11.000 And what the Jesuits are doing?

01:40:14.000 Go down that rabbit hole.

01:40:15.000 Let's read this one we got from Sam, Samuel Adams.

01:40:17.000 Ah, thanks for the super chat, Sam Adams.

01:40:19.000 Hey.

01:40:19.000 His Brian Kilmeade tweeted, just spoke to Eric Trump.

01:40:23.000 Nothing in the safe.

01:40:24.000 FBI agents, 30 approximately, raided on behalf of National Archives.

01:40:29.000 Has to come from POTUS or someone in the White House.

01:40:32.000 So perhaps this is related to the story about Trump tearing up notes and flushing them in the toilet or something?

01:40:37.000 It would have been funny if Trump just left a note in the safe and was like, can't catch me!

01:40:42.000 The funny thing is that story where they claim that Trump was tearing up notes and putting them in the toilet, there are pictures of them.

01:40:47.000 Who took those pictures?

01:40:48.000 Who went into the bathroom after Trump to take pictures of what was in the toilet is very strange.

01:40:53.000 And the fact that Trump would put notes in the toilet and not flush is also strange.

01:40:56.000 Trump being like, hey, come film me, destroy evidence.

01:40:59.000 Creating more evidence.

01:41:00.000 Or someone's like, hey, Trump just went to the bathroom.

01:41:02.000 Go take pictures.

01:41:03.000 What?

01:41:04.000 That's weird, too.

01:41:05.000 Unless he, like, walked in and just flicked it in there, but then why wouldn't he flush it?

01:41:08.000 Trump does seem like the kind of guy who would be like, take a picture.

01:41:11.000 Trump is the kind of guy who turns around and takes a picture.

01:41:14.000 The White House is a very old building.

01:41:16.000 Maybe they have a bad plumbing system. 0.96

01:41:17.000 You're tax dollars at work.

01:41:24.000 All right, let's see what we can grab from these super chats.

01:41:27.000 Shinobi Strongside says, or it's Shinobi Strongside, ignorance, having the capacity and access to relevant information and consciously choosing to ignore it, not to be confused with nescience.

01:41:40.000 Oh, they say ignorance is knowing, but choosing to ignore it as opposed to nescience.

01:41:44.000 Interesting.

01:41:44.000 Well, nescience.

01:41:45.000 I think ignorance is just lacking knowledge for the most part.

01:41:47.000 How do you spell nescience?

01:41:48.000 N-E-C-C-I-A? 0.72

01:41:49.000 Nescience.

01:41:50.000 Thank you.

01:41:52.000 All right.

01:41:54.000 We're gonna grab some, I'm trying to find some good questions for Larry.

01:41:58.000 Yeah.

01:42:01.000 All right.

01:42:02.000 A lot of people are really, really angry about the FBI.

01:42:05.000 Adam Horridge says, to Mr. Elder, I don't trust government to do well with many societal problems.

01:42:11.000 What charities are fixing the functional literacy issue you mention?

01:42:14.000 I'll donate what I can to a good charity.

01:42:16.000 Aw, that's awesome.

01:42:16.000 Well, there are a lot of private schools.

01:42:20.000 There are a lot of pro-choice organizations that have been set up.

01:42:24.000 There are a lot of charities that are very efficient.

01:42:26.000 For three months, I volunteered for the United Way once.

01:42:30.000 For every dollar that government spends on welfare, about 70 cents is burned in transfer costs, rent, those kinds of things.

01:42:36.000 Every dollar donated to an organization like United Way, 85% gets down to the intended beneficiary because most people, like I was, are voluntary.

01:42:43.000 So there are lots of organizations.

01:42:44.000 Go online and find them.

01:42:46.000 Right on.

01:42:48.000 All right.

01:42:49.000 Also shout out for being like, I'm going to donate instead of violence in the streets.

01:42:53.000 That's what you do.

01:42:55.000 Support organizations you love.

01:42:56.000 There's an organization called Brotherhood of a New Destiny led by Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson.

01:43:00.000 And he coaches men who don't have fathers to reconcile with their fathers or to lose their anger so they can go forward.

01:43:06.000 Wow.

01:43:06.000 Bond, Brotherhood of a New Destiny.

01:43:08.000 Wow.

01:43:09.000 That's the beginning.

01:43:10.000 What do you think?

01:43:11.000 I mean, this is probably a basic question that you get when you talk about fatherhood, because I was really captivated by that.

01:43:16.000 And, you know, obviously there are a lot of marriages that are horrifically dysfunctional, right? 0.96

01:43:23.000 So what's the advice you give or the solution for, you know, is it better to have A single mom who loves you unconditionally, who crushes it, who's doing everything she can, then an incredibly abusive marriage that now you're watching and that's shaping you.

01:43:41.000 That's not even a close call.

01:43:42.000 Obviously, it's better to have a mother that loves you than a dysfunctional, angry, violent marriage.

01:43:47.000 Again, the whole point behind watching your mom and your dad is to watch them resolve disputes without anger, without rancor, without violence.

01:43:54.000 If you don't see that, you see it resolved violently, you're going to behave that way as well.

01:43:58.000 All right.

01:44:00.000 I was going to add one thing. 0.98

01:44:03.000 A poor black kid with mother and a father will have a better outcome in life than a middle-class white kid with just a mom. 0.97

01:44:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:44:09.000 Got it. 0.99

01:44:10.000 Robert Pointer says, Larry Elder's dad's advice is legendary.

01:44:14.000 I'm going to re-listen to that multiple times so I can quote that to my seven and four-year-old sons.

01:44:18.000 Great show.

01:44:19.000 Amazing.

01:44:19.000 What's your dad's name?

01:44:20.000 Randolph.

01:44:22.000 Randolph Elder.

01:44:22.000 Ever go by Randy?

01:44:23.000 He does go by Randy.

01:44:24.000 Yeah.

01:44:25.000 Randolph Elder.

01:44:26.000 R-A-N-D-O-L-P-H. 1.00

01:44:27.000 And the book again is called, the hardback is called Dear Father, Dear Son, Two Lives, Eight Hours.

01:44:31.000 And the paperback is called A Lot Like Me.

01:44:33.000 I'm trying to get the book made into a movie.

01:44:36.000 We already have a deal.

01:44:37.000 I have a really strong agent and one of their clients is Denzel Washington.

01:44:41.000 And I'm just envisioning Denzel Washington playing my dad.

01:44:44.000 Oh my goodness.

01:44:45.000 Denzel, if you're listening.

01:44:47.000 Denzel!

01:44:47.000 You know how to reach me.

01:44:48.000 Chris, also come on the vlog.

01:44:50.000 That's right.

01:44:51.000 Chris Van Dern, I believe it says Dern, says, Larry, your story had me crying.

01:44:56.000 It's both heartbreaking and heartwarming.

01:44:58.000 If only we could all have that kind of understanding, many of our problems would disappear and we could tackle bigger issues.

01:45:04.000 My brothers, as I mentioned, dislike my father as intensely as I do.

01:45:07.000 That's why I didn't think it was me.

01:45:08.000 I thought it was him.

01:45:09.000 My little brother died years ago.

01:45:10.000 He was diabetic.

01:45:11.000 But after I reconciled with my dad, I contacted my older brother, Kirk.

01:45:14.000 And I said, Kirk, Dad's not an a-hole.

01:45:16.000 He's not what you think.

01:45:17.000 Oh, yes, he is.

01:45:17.000 No, he's not.

01:45:18.000 Oh, yes, he is.

01:45:19.000 Kirk, you've got to sit down with the man.

01:45:20.000 No, I'm not going to talk to him.

01:45:21.000 So a couple weeks later, I'm over visiting my dad.

01:45:23.000 I said, Dad, have you talked to Kirk lately?

01:45:25.000 He said, Yeah, why'd you ask?

01:45:27.000 I just wondered.

01:45:27.000 He came over here.

01:45:28.000 We had a five-hour conversation.

01:45:30.000 My brother never told me until my dad told me.

01:45:32.000 Man, this is the exact same thing we were talking about with politics because I remember it was my brother that convinced me to talk to my dad.

01:45:38.000 I hated my dad.

01:45:40.000 And I actually had a story in one of my old stand-up CDs all about that moment when you realize that the reason that you hated your parents is because they were decent people.

01:45:50.000 They were doing their job.

01:45:50.000 They're not supposed to be your buddy.

01:45:52.000 And it was the exact same thing where I was like, Dad was such a jerk he didn't want me to play in like a band and my brother was like hey man do you remember what dad's day-to-day looked like and then just mapped out waking up at four making us breakfast driving two hours for all this stuff and you just go oh god it like it was for me i realized it was it was me 0.75

01:46:11.000 You know and and and if people could so much of it just has to do with ego and being right and being married to 0.93

01:46:16.000 These stories whether it's well I grew up Democrat or whether it's why I grew up hating my

01:46:21.000 dad or whatever story you tell yourself or whether for the people listening

01:46:24.000 with mental health stuff like if it's Your story about you being a bad person or you being a

01:46:30.000 failure They're all stories man, and you can over when I was

01:46:32.000 writing the book. My dad was alive He died as soon as I finished the book and as I was writing

01:46:36.000 it, I would ask him questions about what did you do?

01:46:38.000 Here, why'd you do this? Yeah, and he says why are you writing a book about my little life?

01:46:41.000 I said dad your life wasn't little it was epic. You just don't know it

01:46:44.000 Sheesh.

01:46:46.000 Didn't say it didn't.

01:46:46.000 from Curtis McLaughlin Jr. He says, Mr. Elder, the goat, by the way, I was recently arrested

01:46:52.000 for loitering and prowling while eating Taco Bell in a parking lot. Inadvertent participation

01:46:56.000 in the justice system can happen. Charges dropped.

01:46:59.000 Didn't say it didn't. Couldn't have. Yeah. There was a guy, his first name was Charles,

01:47:04.000 and he was at a Beverly Hills restaurant, goes out to put money in the parking meter

01:47:08.000 because he doesn't want his car towed away. And he's surrounded by cops and he's arrested,

01:47:13.000 handcuffed and urged to sit on the curb for about 45 minutes while they sort out whether

01:47:17.000 or not he is a bank robber.

01:47:19.000 Turns out the bank robber was wearing the same color pants, same color shirt, was a black man who was bald, had the same, roughly the same complexion.

01:47:26.000 He even admitted it.

01:47:27.000 But he cooperated and sat there, even though he knew he hadn't done anything.

01:47:30.000 And that's the lesson.

01:47:32.000 There's no point in fighting with these guys.

01:47:34.000 They have guns.

01:47:35.000 Also, sorry brother.

01:47:36.000 I didn't mean to laugh at you.

01:47:37.000 It's just my flight got delayed last night and I got on a one like one in the morning and I shamefully went to a Taco Bell drive-thru and it looked like I felt like a prowler too. 0.86

01:47:48.000 I was just like I'm garbage.

01:47:50.000 I had back-to-back flights that were that were delayed. 0.89

01:47:53.000 I get here to DC and my luggage doesn't come down.

01:47:56.000 I go to the little area and she goes on the computer does something.

01:48:00.000 I don't know what yeah, and she says do you have a firearm in your luggage?

01:48:04.000 I said, a what?

01:48:05.000 She said, a gun.

01:48:06.000 And everybody goes, he's got a gun!

01:48:09.000 And she said, we put the luggage with firearms in here. 0.79

01:48:12.000 So check and see if it's in here.

01:48:13.000 And it was there.

01:48:15.000 So I'm taking it out.

01:48:16.000 There's a guy that checks the tag to make sure it's my suitcase.

01:48:18.000 And I said, is somebody going to ask me if you want to search the thing to see if there's a firearm in it?

01:48:22.000 Because we're good.

01:48:23.000 So, you took my word for it.

01:48:25.000 Took my word for it.

01:48:26.000 There wasn't one in there you don't even want to look and see.

01:48:28.000 Wow.

01:48:29.000 Did you go get Taco Bell afterwards?

01:48:30.000 Talk about top security.

01:48:33.000 Neo Reaper says, thoughts on Andrew Yang and the forward party?

01:48:36.000 And the which party?

01:48:37.000 Forward party.

01:48:38.000 Hadn't heard about it.

01:48:38.000 You know Andrew Yang?

01:48:39.000 I know Yang.

01:48:40.000 He ran for mayor.

01:48:41.000 He ran for governor.

01:48:42.000 President!

01:48:44.000 I like that you kept upgrading him.

01:48:45.000 Then ran for mayor in New York.

01:48:46.000 I think he's a smart guy.

01:48:47.000 I like him.

01:48:49.000 Yeah, he launched a third party.

01:48:50.000 He had a little thing on that said math.

01:48:53.000 Yeah.

01:48:54.000 Anyone who can shake stuff up, I'm here for.

01:48:56.000 Yeah.

01:48:58.000 All right.

01:48:59.000 BoxFedTV says, Tim, all my super chats have called out the FBI.

01:49:03.000 Last week I told Whitaker he was weak.

01:49:07.000 Oh, Whitaker, right.

01:49:08.000 Today we'll live in infamy.

01:49:10.000 Every Republican must call for the complete dismantling of the FBI.

01:49:14.000 New Trump rally chant and the FBI.

01:49:18.000 Defund the FBI.

01:49:19.000 Yeah.

01:49:19.000 Defund the FBI.

01:49:20.000 I like that.

01:49:21.000 Also, see you when you're being raided by the FBI, buddy.

01:49:24.000 This is really a scary development.

01:49:26.000 No kidding.

01:49:26.000 That defunded thing was a joke, but it's really, really quite scary.

01:49:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:30.000 This is the kind of thing, look, when you read about history, And people talk about fleeing countries.

01:49:37.000 This is one of the things people would say, like, why did you... Before the bad thing happened, like, why did your family leave?

01:49:43.000 And they were like, well, when they raided the previous president's home and started arresting him, we knew things were getting bad.

01:49:49.000 Take a look at Ukraine.

01:49:51.000 A few years ago, they ousted Yanukovych, the president, and then people stormed into his house and started looting and stealing stuff.

01:49:58.000 So, I don't know where we're going from here, but when the DOJ makes moves like this...

01:50:07.000 You're living history, man.

01:50:08.000 By the way, we don't know whether Trump was home at Mar-a-Lago.

01:50:11.000 No, he's in Bedminster.

01:50:12.000 Oh, he's not.

01:50:12.000 So he's not there.

01:50:13.000 So I believe he's up in New Jersey.

01:50:15.000 But either way, this is... When they announced Trump's actions were being investigated, I'm like, that doesn't mean they're investigating Trump.

01:50:23.000 So it could be that they're trying to pull back.

01:50:26.000 They don't want to come out and announce they are doing it because it would shock people, or they're not really doing it and they want it to seem like they are to try and hurt him.

01:50:33.000 This could still be argued.

01:50:36.000 Maybe they're like a search warrant for someone else because Mar-a-Lago is massive and they're trying to just make it look like Trump is going down for something.

01:50:45.000 But either way, at this point, it doesn't matter.

01:50:47.000 Whatever you think it is, the president's home was just raided by a former president, was raided by the feds.

01:50:55.000 All right, let's grab some more super chats as we move forward here.

01:50:59.000 I think we can jump over to the actual super chats now.

01:51:03.000 Alright, alright.

01:51:05.000 We get this weird thing happens where YouTube's crashed recently, and then it erases the Super Chats.

01:51:11.000 But we were able to pull him up.

01:51:13.000 Morgan Dossett says, I was an army cook.

01:51:16.000 I'm now a private chef.

01:51:18.000 In, let's say, in white and the majority of my army buddies are black.

01:51:24.000 Oh, I'm white. 0.59

01:51:25.000 And the majority of my army buddies are black and Hispanic.

01:51:27.000 I've been out for 10 years, but they gave me a call.

01:51:30.000 I'm on the move to help.

01:51:32.000 If they gave me a call, I'm on the move to help.

01:51:33.000 I'll still risk my life for my brothers and sisters.

01:51:36.000 Right on, glad to hear it.

01:51:39.000 All right.

01:51:41.000 Musically Assured Destruction says, should law enforcement in metro areas be run like sheriffs, elected by citizens.

01:51:46.000 That way they are truly held accountable to the people.

01:51:48.000 Also, great screen name, buddy.

01:51:50.000 Yeah, I'd say so.

01:51:52.000 You can argue it both ways.

01:51:55.000 Also, they're accountable to the people, and the people can be emotional, like the people in the streets yelling and screaming about the man that shot through that door in Baltimore, and the people in the streets were yelling, Black Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter.

01:52:08.000 You could get a bunch of people who are emotionally disturbed about something, and they're wrong, and they vote for the wrong person.

01:52:14.000 Yeah.

01:52:14.000 So it's hard to say.

01:52:15.000 Right, right, right.

01:52:16.000 You could argue it either way.

01:52:17.000 Scott says, Tim, what happens if a red wave doesn't happen?

01:52:21.000 Larry, you're an inspiration, sir.

01:52:23.000 Uh, what do you think happens if we don't get a red wave?

01:52:25.000 As I said before, I think we're spiking the football too soon.

01:52:28.000 The polls are tightening up, as you pointed out.

01:52:30.000 There used to be a big, almost a double-digit lead in the generic poll for Republicans.

01:52:33.000 Not anymore.

01:52:34.000 It's now gone.

01:52:35.000 And you look at Kamala Harris, matched up against Donald Trump or against DeSantis, and she's competitive. 1.00

01:52:40.000 So it may very well not happen.

01:52:41.000 And again, the media are interpreting anything that happens.

01:52:45.000 If Donald Trump expelled gas in the pantry in the White House, it was covered negatively.

01:52:51.000 When Joe Biden does something, it's not covered nearly as negatively.

01:52:55.000 I didn't ask Marjorie Taylor Green this, but I will ask you this.

01:53:00.000 What would you change about the Republican Party?

01:53:04.000 If you had to critique your own party, what would it be?

01:53:09.000 Both parties spend too much money.

01:53:12.000 If and when the Republicans take over in November, the House and the Senate, we should have an amendment to the Constitution that fixed spending to a certain percentage of the GDP, with exception for war and for natural disaster.

01:53:25.000 Otherwise, both parties expand government.

01:53:27.000 It expanded under George W. Bush.

01:53:28.000 It expanded under Ronald Reagan.

01:53:29.000 He ran to shut down the Department of Education.

01:53:31.000 When he left, it was bigger than before.

01:53:33.000 Both parties spend money, and we've got to stop it.

01:53:38.000 All right.

01:53:39.000 Brian David says, I grew up with no sense of alliance or support.

01:53:43.000 The lessons of the leftist indoctrination fail to take root other than the attitude and tactics.

01:53:48.000 How do I improve myself and bring love into my heart and my life?

01:53:53.000 Psilocybin.

01:53:54.000 What would you say?

01:53:56.000 I would just say keep your eyes open, ingest the news with discrimination and with judgment, and try to be the best person that you can.

01:54:05.000 Be honest.

01:54:06.000 Are you religious?

01:54:07.000 I am.

01:54:08.000 My pastor is Pastor Jack Hibbs.

01:54:09.000 He's one of the four people who really influenced my decision to run for office.

01:54:15.000 To me, it's difficult for people to really understand right and wrong without a religious foundation.

01:54:22.000 You have to understand that there's evil in the world, and a lot of people on the left just don't seem to understand that because they're not God-centered.

01:54:29.000 I just wanted to shout that person out because your last line, you asking that question, you're already doing more than the majority of people do.

01:54:40.000 So you being self-aware, you looking for ways to lead with love, you're on the right path and I would say as someone who has really, really struggled in his life and with mental health stuff, One of the best pieces of advice I can give is hold yourself accountable, but when you do good, give yourself credit.

01:55:01.000 Like you looking for this, you seeking more knowledge and ways to lead with love and you know, I mean one of the things I've started doing is, I heard this great quote where even when you're driving in traffic, where it's treat every car like it's the Dalai Lama driving, where it's like catch yourself, catch yourself when you're judging someone, catch yourself when you're Drawing conclusions catch yourself when you're being

01:55:21.000 selfish and don't get mad at yourself when you do it or else you're gonna spiral

01:55:24.000 But slowly correct and get better and better try fast Don't beat up on yourself when you make mistakes because we

01:55:29.000 all make them you have to get my favorite movie is no country for

01:55:32.000 An old man Movie 0.82

01:55:36.000 There's a scene when Tommy Lee Jones goes up to the sheriff in the wheelchair because he wants advice on what to do and

01:55:43.000 And he says to him, that man that put you in the wheelchair is about ready to get out of prison, possibly. 0.98

01:55:47.000 If he does, what are you going to do about it?

01:55:49.000 And the guy in the wheelchair said, probably nothing.

01:55:51.000 And Tommy said, I'm surprised to hear you say that.

01:55:53.000 And he said, when you try to get back what Ben took from you, more is going out the door all the time.

01:55:58.000 Pretty soon, you just got to put a tourniquet on it.

01:56:00.000 Wow.

01:56:01.000 I want to invite that guy to try fasting too, because when you clear your gut out, you become more in tune with your feelings.

01:56:07.000 All right.

01:56:07.000 Yeah, do challenging things.

01:56:09.000 Gia Fanta says Mr. Elder carries the tradition of Booker T.

01:56:11.000 Washington, who advocated for self-help, entrepreneurship, and vocational training.

01:56:16.000 Unfortunately, black politicians believe more in W.E.B.

01:56:19.000 DuBois and the talented tenth, which perpetuates an elitist ideology.

01:56:25.000 Could you elaborate on that?

01:56:26.000 Absolutely.

01:56:27.000 In fact, we explore the differences between the two in Uncle Tom 1, and we get into it a little more deeply in Uncle Tom 2.

01:56:34.000 Booker T. Washington believed, when a Negro boy learns to cook, to sew, to wash dishes, or to practice medicine as well as or better than somebody else, he or she will be rewarded without regard to race.

01:56:45.000 And W.E.B.

01:56:46.000 Du Bois was all about an elite kind of attitude and they used to quarrel.

01:56:55.000 So, and Du Bois ultimately rejected the American citizenship, became a communist and moved to Russia.

01:57:01.000 Booker T. Washington's Tuskegee Institution is still here.

01:57:04.000 So, whose vision really ended up being the vision that was correct?

01:57:09.000 Also, Uncle Tom, you can see at UncleTom.com right now for free.

01:57:12.000 Hitting you back for that Chattanooga plug.

01:57:15.000 The documentary, the things I learned about Herman Cain I did not know.

01:57:19.000 And his story about his time in the military and how he improved himself, man, that was absolutely incredible.

01:57:26.000 It's been a while since I watched it.

01:57:28.000 I, uh, I'm going to say something that I'm uncomfortable saying, but it's just, it's such an opportunity.

01:57:33.000 I think I need to, which is, I think that the second that people on the left, and this is so patronizing and gross, and it's the worst part about what people say the left is, um, when they hear a black conservative without actually listening to them or reading them, I've never read Thomas Sowell.

01:57:51.000 I've never read your books.

01:57:52.000 I'm going to get your books when I go home.

01:57:54.000 Um, is this idea that kind of similar to the grifter where it's all you're doing is you're giving racist an excuse to essentially be the black friend, right?

01:58:05.000 So when someone does something or they're accused of racism, they can be like, Oh, I'm not racist.

01:58:09.000 Like I've read Larry Elder.

01:58:10.000 I've read Thomas soul or whatever.

01:58:12.000 What do you say to that critique?

01:58:14.000 Because again, I just see a very authentic human being who is trying to solve a problem maybe differently than I would have thought in the past, but you haven't said much that I've been like, Oh, gross.

01:58:23.000 I disagree with that.

01:58:25.000 But what do you say to that as this idea that someone who clearly cares about black people is just... And by the way, there might be.

01:58:32.000 Do you feel responsible for people who are racist and they'll throw your name around to be like, racism isn't real.

01:58:38.000 I'm like, go read Larry Elder.

01:58:41.000 No, I don't feel responsible because racism is no longer a major problem in America.

01:58:45.000 And if somebody quotes me as saying that, I'm fine with that.

01:58:47.000 I think you're wrong on that one.

01:58:49.000 I think racism is still a big problem in this country.

01:58:51.000 It's just not the same kind of racism.

01:58:54.000 So you have affirmative action, for instance, discriminatory policies.

01:58:58.000 You've got Democrats trying to strip out civil rights provisions. 0.99

01:59:01.000 But I'm being a bit pedantic, I would say.

01:59:04.000 Dude, we're all brains floating in a saltwater set.

01:59:07.000 Discrimination to fight discrimination is still discrimination.

01:59:10.000 Exactly.

01:59:10.000 And that's what race-based preferences are.

01:59:11.000 And it doesn't help the beneficiaries.

01:59:13.000 I mean, I got on an airplane yesterday, and the pilot was a female. 0.99

01:59:18.000 I don't want to know that the airlines had some sort of gender equity program, and therefore, that's why she's not flying. 1.00

01:59:24.000 I don't want to hear about it.

01:59:26.000 I want to make sure she aced the flight exam.

01:59:28.000 We've got a big story to talk about for the member section where it's going to get substantially more politically incorrect but fun and important conversation.

01:59:41.000 I want to stress that because there are many points to be made on how the Democrats are handling the issues of race in this country.

01:59:49.000 And it's funny how they always, the right will call them the real racists.

01:59:54.000 Then they say, oh, they're going to call us the real racists.

01:59:56.000 And I'm like, bro, you're literally trying to implement race-based policies to restrict people based on race.

02:00:01.000 And I'm not talking about white people.

02:00:02.000 Like if people complain that someone who's white is being held back because of their race, I'm like, that's legitimate. 1.00

02:00:07.000 But you're also going after Latinos and Asians as well.

02:00:09.000 Like you're just creating these weird race-based policies that are just bad for everybody.

02:00:15.000 Absolutely.

02:00:15.000 When I moved to Cleveland in 1977, I'm from LA, Lakers, Rams, Dodgers were all winners and the Cavaliers sucked.

02:00:25.000 I was born in Ohio.

02:00:25.000 So a guy named Ted Stepien, an advertising guy, very wealthy, He said that he was going to buy the Cavaliers and when he bought the Cavaliers he said, I'm going to put more white players on the court because at the time the Coliseum was in an area called Richfield, which was way outside of Cleveland, a largely white area, and he felt the white fans would attend games more if the starting five were more likely to be white.

02:00:48.000 Oh no.

02:00:49.000 He bought the team, Jamie, and he did just that.

02:00:53.000 Four of the five starters were white.

02:00:55.000 The team lost more games than the year before.

02:00:58.000 They drew fewer fans than the year before. 0.85

02:01:01.000 They found out white people didn't like watching white people lose any more than they wanted to watch black people lose. 0.59

02:01:05.000 And the NBA took the team away from him.

02:01:08.000 And implemented a rule called the Stepien Rule, which is still in effect today, which means you cannot trade back-to-back first-round picks the way he did to get these white players. 0.76

02:01:15.000 You ever heard of Scotty Wedman?

02:01:16.000 No.

02:01:17.000 Mike Bratz?

02:01:17.000 No.

02:01:18.000 They were two of the starters for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

02:01:19.000 Did he bring in Mark Price during that time, or was that after?

02:01:22.000 That was after, well after, but he didn't own them then.

02:01:24.000 All right, everybody, if you haven't already.

02:01:26.000 I can't believe you brought him up.

02:01:27.000 I'm from Ohio.

02:01:28.000 I know, I can't believe you brought him up.

02:01:29.000 This morning, I'm talking to somebody from Georgia Tech, having breakfast with him, and I said, there was a player that went to Georgia Tech around the time you were there.

02:01:36.000 His first name was Mark.

02:01:37.000 He was a great point guard.

02:01:38.000 He was an all-time NBA free-throw percentage shooter.

02:01:42.000 And I couldn't think of his last name, and you just now gave it to me.

02:01:44.000 Yeah, I love that guy.

02:01:46.000 What are the odds of me talking about Mark, and you taking Mark's place?

02:01:48.000 There's like a word cycle of some sort.

02:01:50.000 Yeah, we are.

02:01:51.000 Maybe there's a God, but anyway.

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02:02:01.000 We're gonna have another segment coming up, the uncensored, much more incorrect, not family-friendly version of the show.

02:02:07.000 That'll be at TimCast.com, posted about 11 p.m.

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02:02:13.000 Larry, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:15.000 Just follow me on Twitter, follow me on Truth Social, follow me on Instagram, follow me on Facebook.

02:02:23.000 My documentary again, Uncle Tom, comes out on August 22nd, Uncle Tom 2.

02:02:28.000 Uncle Tom 1 is now for free on UncleTom.com.

02:02:32.000 My books are the one I'm recommending, Dear Father, Dear Son, that's the hardback, and A Lot Like Me is the paperback.

02:02:39.000 That's about it.

02:02:40.000 Oh, watch my television show on EpicTV.com.

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02:02:48.000 Right on.

02:02:48.000 I'm going to follow you, brother, right after the show.

02:02:51.000 Guys, you can love bomb me on Twitter at Jamie Kilstein.

02:02:55.000 Again, shout out to everyone who followed me on Instagram because you guys know I want to get off toxic Twitter so bad, but I have so many more followers there.

02:03:02.000 You can follow me on Instagram at TheJamieKilstein, and that's where I'll be announcing my stand-up dates.

02:03:06.000 On Instagram, I talk a lot about mental health stuff.

02:03:09.000 Twitter's more political.

02:03:10.000 But yeah, just follow me on social media.

02:03:11.000 I love this community with all my heart.

02:03:14.000 Ian, before you say anything, one more thing.

02:03:16.000 Elder4America.com.

02:03:18.000 It's my political action committee.

02:03:19.000 Raising money to take back the House, the Senate, to campaign against critical race theory in favor of school choice and for initiatives to strengthen families.

02:03:25.000 Elder4America.com.

02:03:26.000 Throw a little something in the tip jar.

02:03:28.000 Thank you, Mr. Elder.

02:03:29.000 Dr. Kilstein.

02:03:31.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we're on the precipice of an evolution towards a new world order of sorts, and it's up to us to decide how this evolution occurs.

02:03:39.000 If you will be a passive standard by watching it happen, or if you will participate in the creation of the future, now is the time for you to decide and take action.

02:03:49.000 I'll see you there.

02:03:50.000 All true and correct.

02:03:51.000 Thank you guys very much.

02:03:52.000 Thank you, Larry, so much for coming.

02:03:54.000 Larry's cheering.

02:03:55.000 Ian's laughing a lot.

02:03:56.000 I love it very much.

02:03:57.000 Thank you guys for welcoming me back with such open arms.

02:03:59.000 It's been a lot of fun switching with my wrong hand.

02:04:02.000 You guys can follow me on Twitter at minds.com, at sarahpatchlids, as well as sarahpatchlids.me.

02:04:07.000 We will see you all over at timcast.com.

02:04:10.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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