Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - FBI May Have Created Right Wing Plot Against Whitmer Says Buzzfeed w-Pedro Gonzalez

00:00:00.000 Peace.

00:00:19.000 New information has come out, and you know what?

00:00:22.000 I'm not even gonna give you my thoughts.

00:00:23.000 I'm gonna give you the thoughts of BuzzFeed News, who analyzed a report on this, saying that this latest information that's come out about this supposed right-wing plot raises questions as to whether or not there would have even been a conspiracy were it not for the FBI, as they had had a hand in every aspect of it.

00:00:44.000 Including its inception.

00:00:47.000 Now, BuzzFeed gets extremely close to saying basically the FBI started it, organized the people, set up the meetings, and essentially told people what to do.

00:00:57.000 And now many of these defendants are arguing that they were set up.

00:01:01.000 Some are even arguing entrapment.

00:01:03.000 Now, how many people are surprised by this?

00:01:05.000 How many people commented on my video when I report on this saying, Tim, I bet you it's the FBI and I was too, uh, I don't, I don't think I entertained it enough.

00:01:16.000 I'm not, I'm not big on, uh, I guess as much as people try to claim that I predict the future all the time, I, I only see so far.

00:01:23.000 So I had a bunch of people commenting, they're like, this reeks of an FBI sting of a setup.

00:01:27.000 And this is what the FBI is known for.

00:01:29.000 I mean, they do it so often.

00:01:30.000 Some people have argued that basically what they do is they find some mentally unwell people, goad them on, set them up, and then say, oh, look what we found!

00:01:37.000 And then some person ends up in prison, and they can claim that they did something important.

00:01:41.000 And it was, I guess, effective politically for Democrats to say, oh no, look at these right-wing extremists, which helped fuel this fire of the right and the white supremacists and the militias being the most dangerous threat in this country.

00:01:54.000 So why now?

00:01:55.000 Why is this story coming out?

00:01:56.000 Why is anyone in the mainstream media entertaining this?

00:02:01.000 I guess we'll have to dig into it and start talking about what's really going on.

00:02:04.000 We also got some other stories too.

00:02:05.000 It turns out, you know, I did a segment at 4 p.m.

00:02:07.000 over on my main channel, Timcast, or I should say my solo channel, Timcast, and talking about this Texas Democrat super spreader event where these Democrats from Texas go to D.C.

00:02:17.000 and a bunch of people get COVID.

00:02:19.000 We got new reporting out that several staffers, several aides, A ton of people who were at this Democrat Texas thing are getting COVID.

00:02:28.000 Even fully vaccinated people.

00:02:29.000 So I gotta say, it's a super spreader event.

00:02:31.000 It was irresponsible and let's call it that double standard.

00:02:34.000 So we'll get into that.

00:02:35.000 We'll talk about a bunch of other stuff.

00:02:36.000 We got some AOCs in the news because she's selling merchandise and doesn't know what capitalism is. 1.00

00:02:40.000 So we can talk about what capitalism is.

00:02:42.000 And joining us today is Pedro Gonzalez, associate editor of Chronicles, a magazine on American culture, I believe.

00:02:47.000 That's right.

00:02:48.000 Do you want to just quickly introduce yourself?

00:02:51.000 Yeah, I'm happy to be here.

00:02:54.000 I Yeah, it's been surreal the last few I guess like the last like six months I've been doing a bunch of these different shows and I'm I Appreciate you bringing me on.

00:03:04.000 I saw that you threw up a tweet of mine recently I think it was maybe critical of like porn or transgenderism.

00:03:11.000 I don't know But when I saw that you put that on your show, I thought like it's a matter of time before I get on What is Chronicles magazine Oh yeah, so it was founded in 1977 and it has always been this kind of outside, dissident voice, not just in things that are political but also literary.

00:03:31.000 And for years it has been kind of like the lone voice in the wilderness of populism.

00:03:37.000 It was, for a time, the intellectual flagship of the Buchanan movement.

00:03:41.000 It explained and justified Buchananism.

00:03:44.000 Many of the same arguments in Chronicles that were developed there actually ended up being completely seamless with the Trump movement.

00:03:52.000 Rush Limbaugh read an article by a guy named Sam Francis who wrote an article for Chronicles in, I think, the early 90s.

00:03:59.000 And Limbaugh read it, I think in 2015, to explain the Trump phenomenon.

00:04:03.000 So it's a small magazine, but it punches way above its weight.

00:04:07.000 And they have been basically right for the last 30 or 40 years.

00:04:11.000 And it seems like the rest of the country is kind of just catching up.

00:04:14.000 So we'll get into all that stuff.

00:04:14.000 Right on.

00:04:15.000 Thanks for hanging out.

00:04:16.000 What's up everybody?

00:04:16.000 We got Ian chillin'.

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00:04:18.000 Just sippin' on some coffee with a little collagen and maybe we'll get into that in a little bit.

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00:04:27.000 Ian was trying to get ahead of us by asking Peter all these cool questions.

00:04:31.000 So I hope we get into all of that stuff tonight.

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00:07:08.000 Let's talk about this first story.

00:07:10.000 We got this from The Week.

00:07:12.000 Defendants in alleged Whitmer kidnapping plot are arguing FBI informants engineered plan.

00:07:19.000 Now, I'll just say this.

00:07:21.000 I mean, that's a heavy piece of what we're going to talk about.

00:07:24.000 It's one thing to make that accusation.

00:07:26.000 It's another thing when BuzzFeed News of all outlets comes out and says there are questions as to whether or not there would have even been a conspiracy were it not for the FBI, and then there's questions of law.

00:07:36.000 Do you think that federal prosecutors are going to drop this case simply because it's now being exposed by the media?

00:07:41.000 Maybe not, but it's possible.

00:07:43.000 I just really doubt it.

00:07:44.000 There's not going to be political willpower, and especially when Democrats want to use this to their advantage.

00:07:48.000 But let me show you this.

00:07:49.000 So this is the story from the week, right?

00:07:51.000 And they're basically pointing out the section of the BuzzFeed article about the defendant

00:07:55.000 saying they're accusing the FBI of effectively orchestrating this.

00:08:01.000 BuzzFeed News says, an examination of the case by BuzzFeed News also reveals some of

00:08:06.000 those informants, of which they were 12, acting under the direction of the FBI played a far

00:08:11.000 larger role than has previously been reported.

00:08:14.000 Working in secret, they did more than just passively observe and report on the actions of the suspects.

00:08:20.000 Instead, they had a hand in nearly every aspect of the alleged plot, starting with its inception.

00:08:27.000 The extent of their involvement raises questions as to whether there would have even been a conspiracy without them.

00:08:34.000 I'll do you one better, BuzzFeed.

00:08:36.000 I can appreciate that they put that in there.

00:08:38.000 That is an opinion, however.

00:08:40.000 But I can give my opinion.

00:08:42.000 When you go on to mention that a long-time government informant helped organize a series of meetings around the country where many of the alleged plotters first met one another, yeah, there wouldn't be without the FBI.

00:08:54.000 They set the meetings.

00:08:55.000 So, okay, look.

00:08:57.000 The FBI is going to argue, hey, hey, hey, we gave them the space and we, we, we made those statements, but they made those choices.

00:09:03.000 I don't know.

00:09:03.000 What do you guys, what do you guys, what do you guys think?

00:09:05.000 It's disgusting.

00:09:06.000 I think it's only, it's, it's, it's incitement unless the FBI is doing it.

00:09:09.000 Apparently it's only illegal unless the president does it.

00:09:12.000 Like, come on.

00:09:13.000 Trump, Trump didn't say anything anywhere near as, as, as crazy as these people were saying.

00:09:19.000 If the FBI goes to somebody that's mentally unstable and puts a gun in their hand and says, encourages them or points them in the direction of someone that they want, like that's, how can you blame that?

00:09:31.000 I guess you gotta blame the gunman, but obviously you blame Charles Manson when the other guy went out and stabbed the people.

00:09:37.000 They were giving these guys military training.

00:09:40.000 What?

00:09:41.000 What do you think about it, Pedro?

00:09:43.000 This is what the FBI does.

00:09:44.000 I mean, this is what the Feds do.

00:09:46.000 They create these plots.

00:09:49.000 They provide the training, the logistical coordination, and then they basically entrap their victims.

00:09:55.000 And so the question is, why do they do that, right?

00:09:58.000 I think there are different answers to that.

00:10:00.000 I think, one, it's politically useful because Trump is bad. 0.99

00:10:04.000 Trump was a fascist, of course. 0.99

00:10:05.000 I'm just being sarcastic. 0.99

00:10:07.000 It's politically useful from that angle, at least for the Democratic Party.

00:10:07.000 But I think so.

00:10:10.000 But on the other hand, I mean, this is this is good business for the FBI, right?

00:10:12.000 This is job security.

00:10:14.000 If you have these kinds of threats, if you have these kinds of coordinated, very dangerous, highly motivated actors, then you you need the FBI.

00:10:23.000 You don't just need the FBI.

00:10:25.000 The FBI needs a bigger budget.

00:10:27.000 It needs to expand its operations into different aspects of not just public life, but also private life.

00:10:33.000 It needs to know more about what Americans are doing so that it can make sure that these things don't happen.

00:10:38.000 And the fact that the FBI is, you know, the driving cause of these things happening, well, that's just a little footnote that we don't need to really get into.

00:10:46.000 I don't think there's a solution to... I don't think there's an easy solution to corruption.

00:10:51.000 I say easy solution.

00:10:53.000 You know, I'm thinking about like, okay, what if we didn't have government FBI, right?

00:10:56.000 What if we had private investigatory agencies and you hired them instead of having to go and make a petition and cross your fingers, hope they actually look into the case?

00:11:04.000 Maybe you go and hire a company.

00:11:06.000 Well then, any company could be incentivized to do criminal activities for the sake of making money.

00:11:11.000 Right?

00:11:12.000 So let's say you're a window repair company and, you know, you're a private company.

00:11:16.000 You make money when windows get broken.

00:11:18.000 Certainly excited when you hear Antifa's rioting.

00:11:21.000 So any individual who is sufficiently corrupt or who has monopolistic power could be susceptible to saying, okay, how can we encourage more riots and support some more of this activism and encourage this stuff?

00:11:31.000 Because inadvertently it allows us to sell more windows.

00:11:33.000 Actually, Ryan Long had that comedy segment.

00:11:37.000 Have you seen that one where it's like Antifa window repair and he's like, we're both simultaneously Antifa and the window repair company.

00:11:43.000 But anyway, I digress.

00:11:45.000 When you have the FBI and they have a monopoly on this and they want to make money and increase their budgets, there's one way to do it.

00:11:50.000 You need a large and powerful big bang.

00:11:53.000 Well, here you go.

00:11:54.000 They had a dozen informants.

00:11:58.000 So it's an interesting point.

00:12:01.000 What is entrapment?

00:12:03.000 This probably is not entrapment.

00:12:04.000 Entrapment would be when you coerce someone by force or threats.

00:12:09.000 So if a cop went to you and said, if you don't do this, I'll hit you, that's entrapment.

00:12:16.000 If they said, hey, wouldn't it be really awesome if you did this, you should totally do it.

00:12:20.000 That's not entrapment.

00:12:21.000 You still chose to do it.

00:12:23.000 The problem is, there's a fine line, right?

00:12:25.000 I mean, you actually have the FBI now creating the means, providing the resources.

00:12:32.000 These things can't happen without them.

00:12:34.000 Like, who's gonna give military training to a bunch of random meme-ish posters on the internet?

00:12:40.000 That's right.

00:12:40.000 No, it gets into this question, like you said, these blurred lines, right, where it's kind of like choice architecture.

00:12:47.000 You're laying out all of the instruments and arguments and logistics for doing this.

00:12:52.000 And you're also exploiting people who are desperate and angry and maybe mentally unstable.

00:12:59.000 And your defense is, well, I just put the gun on the table.

00:13:03.000 I don't have any responsibility for what that person did afterwards after I told them to use the gun and how to use it and who they should use it on.

00:13:08.000 It's not my fault.

00:13:09.000 Ian made a good point, man.

00:13:10.000 It's incitement.

00:13:11.000 It seems like incitement.

00:13:11.000 It is.

00:13:13.000 I mean, they're they're they're encouraging them or getting them revved up or connecting them to commit a crime.

00:13:17.000 It seemed like.

00:13:18.000 Let me let me let me pull this part of the BuzzFeed article.

00:13:20.000 They say this.

00:13:21.000 They say Dan steered.

00:13:23.000 Let me move back a little bit.

00:13:24.000 Let me move back so I can get to that point in the context.

00:13:27.000 They say as agents in Pola and Chambers listen in, Dan pressed him about the meeting in Ohio.

00:13:31.000 Ohio.

00:13:32.000 Dublin, Fox said, was about changing the paradigm the media treated patriots unfairly after

00:13:38.000 he and hundreds of other patriots occupied the statehouse in Lansing, they f-ing called

00:13:41.000 us domestic terrorists.

00:13:44.000 We want to take that stigma off and let them know who we are because we are not f-ing racists.

00:13:49.000 We are not white nationalists, said Fox.

00:13:51.000 We just want our effing constitution upheld and we want all these lawless effing tyrants out of effing power. 1.00

00:13:56.000 It's that simple.

00:13:57.000 Dan steered the conversation away from rhetoric to specific plans.

00:14:02.000 Asking Fox what the mission was.

00:14:04.000 Like, what are we looking to go forward with?

00:14:07.000 Laughing, Fox said his dream was to have quote, have the governor hogtied down on a table for public display the way the DEA agents spread gun seized and drug spread seized guns and drugs across the table like trophies after a big bust.

00:14:20.000 Quote, we take the building and then take effing hostages, Fox told Dan.

00:14:24.000 It's effing wartime.

00:14:26.000 But by his own admission, Fox, despite his new seemingly grand military title, was a general without soldiers.

00:14:32.000 I can't do nothing with less than 200 men, he complained to Dan.

00:14:35.000 At best, he figured he could muster maybe 15 to 20 men.

00:14:39.000 Stopping violent ideas like this was what Dan said drove him to law enforcement in the first place.

00:14:44.000 But now, with his two FBI agents at his side, he told Fox he would help.

00:14:49.000 They're effectively inciting and encouraging their creative circumstances.

00:14:54.000 It's incitement.

00:14:54.000 Donald Trump can say, we're going to go peacefully march and listen to some politicians or whatever.

00:14:59.000 That's what he said, right?

00:15:00.000 He had something like, you know, have politicians make arguments.

00:15:03.000 And then as Trump was speaking, the people at the Capitol started pushing the barricades down, fighting with cops, storming their way up to the Capitol and fighting at the front door.

00:15:13.000 Donald Trump did not do anything near what this is, but they say, there was a tweet now, I can't, I think it was the Daily Beast, I'm not sure, they were like, Trump's failed attempt to overthrow the government, or like someone, some news outlet tweeted that, like they're just, even the media, they're just continually escalating what really happened on the 6th, like Donald Trump gave a speech where he in no way said, go do this stuff, he was like, peacefully march, and now they've just slowly turned it into something totally different, like the Lincoln Project made this video, Where it's a mishmash of what Trump was saying to make it seem like he was calling for violence.

00:15:46.000 I tell you, man, it's dark days ahead, huh?

00:15:48.000 Well, there's something related to this.

00:15:50.000 So we can say that the Capitol Police failed, right?

00:15:54.000 On January 6th, they failed to do their job.

00:15:56.000 Some conservatives argue that they facilitated what happened through their failure, however you want to slice it.

00:16:00.000 Okay.

00:16:01.000 Well, Tucker says the FBI had informants there probably orchestrated as well.

00:16:05.000 Yes, that's right.

00:16:06.000 So we'll grant that.

00:16:07.000 So these people, either out of negligence or malice, they're part of the reason why January 6th happened.

00:16:15.000 OK.

00:16:16.000 So what happens after January 6?

00:16:18.000 Well, the Capitol Police has a $2 billion budget with which they plan to expand operations outside of the Capitol, first in Florida and California, two of the most populous states, with plans to open field offices across the country.

00:16:32.000 They've also borrowed eight, they're called persistent surveillance systems from the U.S.

00:16:36.000 government.

00:16:36.000 The Army is going to train Capitol Police to use these.

00:16:40.000 We first deployed this technology in Iraq and Afghanistan to monitor asymmetric threats.

00:16:44.000 In other words, we use this technology against insurgents.

00:16:47.000 So now Capitol Police, which is supposed to be in the Capitol, is expanding operations across the United States, ostensibly to protect members of Congress.

00:16:55.000 And they're also going to be deploying technology that we used against insurgents on Americans in order to... What this stuff does is you can create, I think it's called, pattern of life.

00:17:04.000 It allows you to monitor people on a very intimate level to figure out, you know, where they eat, where they sleep, where they go, what their routines are, and things like that.

00:17:12.000 But over large geographical swaths.

00:17:15.000 This is not like a little camera, right?

00:17:18.000 This is huge surveillance on a mass level.

00:17:23.000 This is fine, apparently.

00:17:24.000 No one really seems to have a problem with it, and people are buying the argument that, no, the Capitol Police needs to do this.

00:17:29.000 They need to expand operations to these huge states, or actually to as many states as they want, and they also need to deploy military good equipment that we used on insurgents against Americans.

00:17:39.000 Mike Cernovich has been tweeting about this, saying that he often hears someone start trying to ramp up the rhetoric and push it towards some kind of direct physical action, and he always shuts them down.

00:17:47.000 He blocks them or he kicks them out.

00:17:49.000 Because he's like, we don't want any of that.

00:17:51.000 We know where that's going.

00:17:53.000 And he's right.

00:17:54.000 I keep telling people, you know, peaceful, persuasive, resourceful, that's how you win a culture war, that's how you maintain your country.

00:18:01.000 And there's two big problems, and one, conservatives, people on the right, the anti-establishment, the anti-woke, disaffected liberals.

00:18:08.000 Well, I'm going to exclude the disaffected liberals.

00:18:11.000 Mostly the right, as we've traditionally known it, very weak on culture.

00:18:15.000 Very weak.

00:18:15.000 I mean, you know, people mock the religious conservative movie productions and things like that.

00:18:20.000 The Daily Wire is doing a pretty good job getting into this.

00:18:22.000 The one big advantage I think conservatives have right now are disaffected liberals, many of whom were in music production and movie production and show production.

00:18:30.000 Culture building wins you the youth.

00:18:33.000 And 10 years from now, there's going to be another generation entering politics.

00:18:37.000 And what 10-year-olds are being inundated with today is going to severely impact what politics will look like in 10 years.

00:18:43.000 So one thing that we saw I bring up every so often is that, you know, we've had some leftists, some younger leftists on the show.

00:18:49.000 And they have no idea what Occupy Wall Street was.

00:18:52.000 They were young teenagers when that was happening and just had no understanding of what was going on.

00:18:57.000 So now when I base my disdain for Joe Biden off of a lot of the Obama era,

00:19:01.000 they're like, I don't know anything about that.

00:19:03.000 Now you look at what's happening with children and the indoctrination at schools.

00:19:08.000 These kids who are in these schools getting indoctrinated 10 years from now are gonna vote

00:19:11.000 as far left as humanly possible.

00:19:13.000 If conservatives and people on the right don't fight back with persuasive resourcefulness,

00:19:18.000 With resourcefulness, with persuasion, being peaceful, and building culture, you lose.

00:19:23.000 Especially when you see what's going on with the FBI.

00:19:24.000 They are looking for any opportunity to take that frustration, turn it into some kind of expressed desire for action, and then lock you up.

00:19:34.000 And then it gives them even more justification for indoctrinating kids.

00:19:38.000 It's just one after another.

00:19:40.000 One, two, three, punch. 1.00

00:19:41.000 Yeah, I think maybe one example of a positive development in the culture is that movie about Richard Jewell.

00:19:47.000 The security guard who was basically screwed by the FBI after he managed to save a ton of people.

00:19:53.000 I think it was at a baseball game.

00:19:55.000 It was some kind of a sporting event where there was a bomb and basically the feds put it on him.

00:20:02.000 They argued that the reason he was able to find the bomb and save all these people was because he had in fact planted it.

00:20:08.000 And the movie was interesting because Richard Jewell is like your average middle American.

00:20:12.000 He's this guy who doesn't have a college degree.

00:20:14.000 He's just patriotic.

00:20:18.000 Kind of naive about his country.

00:20:20.000 And I mean that in a good way. 0.95

00:20:22.000 And here he is being absolutely railroaded by these horrible corrupt feds, right?

00:20:28.000 And I think that that movie was really interesting precisely because of that.

00:20:32.000 You have this patriotic person who's being persecuted by his own government.

00:20:36.000 You do not talk to police.

00:20:39.000 That's it.

00:20:39.000 It's simple.

00:20:40.000 There's a famous Supreme Court Justice, I can't remember his name, a long time ago, said, do not talk to cops.

00:20:44.000 And it's funny, there are a lot of conservatives that seem to think they're very naive about what this country is.

00:20:51.000 And it's funny when you see the very heavy back of the blue, like, attitudes kind of waning a little bit with the COVID lockdowns and stuff.

00:21:00.000 People are, you know, many people on the right are starting to realize, like, I think, you know what, man?

00:21:05.000 We shout out Michael Malice too much.

00:21:06.000 Michael, you can shout out too much.

00:21:08.000 But he often says that there is no law so, you know, absurd or disgusting or amoral that a cop would not enforce it.

00:21:15.000 Now, that may be a bit extreme, because I certainly think there's many things a cop wouldn't do, to be honest.

00:21:20.000 However, the Proud Boys versus Antifa was a really good example of this.

00:21:24.000 That they got into a fight because Antifa had been harassing patrons, one guy gets robbed, and then finally the Proud Boys are like, alright, you wanna fight?

00:21:33.000 A lot of people see the Proud Boys run towards Antifa.

00:21:35.000 But Antifa had been basically at every corner following them, and as much as they keep trying to walk away, they see Antifa at every corner.

00:21:43.000 Eventually, the Proud Boys decide they're going to engage.

00:21:45.000 Well, first of all, that's a mistake.

00:21:46.000 Don't start fights.

00:21:47.000 You can try and go around them.

00:21:49.000 You can try and walk past them.

00:21:50.000 They run at them.

00:21:51.000 A fight breaks out.

00:21:51.000 Okay.

00:21:52.000 Well, if Antifa shows up, they're known to be violent, and a fight breaks out, we can argue that sometimes fights happen.

00:21:56.000 I still think it's wrong.

00:21:58.000 But what happened after that?

00:21:59.000 Antifa flees.

00:22:00.000 The Proud Boys decide to give a statement to the cops.

00:22:03.000 Because we trust the cops, the cops are the good guys, and now guess who went to prison?

00:22:06.000 Proud Boys.

00:22:07.000 Antifa?

00:22:07.000 None of them.

00:22:08.000 Yeah, no, this is, I think you're right, this is a kind of eye-opening moment where basically what we've seen for the last year or so is this kind of a narco-tyranny where you're right, conservatives are right to say that there's this effort to kind of defang the police or at least get them to back off of policing a certain kind of crime and a certain kind of criminal. 0.78

00:22:29.000 But that doesn't mean that they're actually de-policing.

00:22:31.000 They're just focusing more on enforcing things like mask mandates or, like you said, arresting Proud Boys and people like that.

00:22:38.000 A good example is this guy Jonathan Pentland.

00:22:41.000 He's a drill instructor at a base in the South, the specific state of Louisiana right now.

00:22:48.000 But basically, this guy got into a confrontation with a suspect who happened to be black.

00:22:54.000 This guy was like a repeat offender in the neighborhood.

00:22:57.000 What you didn't hear from the stories that broke was that this guy had repeatedly come into this neighborhood and harassed people and specifically had grabbed young women.

00:23:06.000 Made them feel very uncomfortable.

00:23:08.000 There's a claim that he's like mentally unstable.

00:23:11.000 But here's the part that the news really didn't focus on, was that the police had actually known about this guy, and they let him out.

00:23:11.000 Whatever, okay.

00:23:20.000 They knew that he was walking about, but the argument was, we didn't want to make him a statistic.

00:23:25.000 So when people would report him to us, we would kind of slap him on the wrist and let him go, and he would go back into this community and harass people.

00:23:31.000 So one day, a woman goes and gets this guy, Jonathan Pentland, and says he's back, you know, do something about it.

00:23:37.000 And he goes and confronts the guy, and I don't know if you saw the video, but it goes viral, he says you're in the wrong neighborhood.

00:23:42.000 He's really confrontational, for right reason, because there was things that happened leading up to that.

00:23:47.000 The police absolutely destroyed Jonathan Pentland's life.

00:23:50.000 They crucified him.

00:23:52.000 Within 48 hours there were people at his house throwing things through the window.

00:23:56.000 The military completely disavowed him.

00:23:58.000 His own unit framed him as a white extremist, a white supremacist.

00:24:02.000 Like the guy's reputation is ruined.

00:24:05.000 And he was just like a middle-aged guy who saw someone harassing women.

00:24:10.000 Doing the job that cops wouldn't do because the cops were more concerned with avoiding the stigma of being called racist and doing their jobs.

00:24:17.000 This is the perfect example of why I have been saying abolish the police.

00:24:22.000 And it is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but not completely.

00:24:25.000 The point I'm trying to make is, if we are really moving into this era where the police know we can't go after anybody who might be defended by the left because we don't want to deal with it and we'll lose our budgets, but we can arrest anybody on the right all day and night and get praised for it, then what do you think is going to happen?

00:24:42.000 In this instance, the cops, they knew.

00:24:45.000 They knew who this guy was.

00:24:46.000 They don't care about this guy, John Petlin's life, who seemed to be, according to this story, a regular guy who was like, these young women in my neighborhood are being harassed by this guy, I'm gonna make it stop.

00:24:56.000 And I watched that video and I'm like, what did the guy really do?

00:24:59.000 He like, got up to him and said, back off, back off, get out of here, and pushed him.

00:25:02.000 Shouldn't have shoved him.

00:25:03.000 Push, pushed him when he was walking towards his wife, which was actually the thing that the police, the sheriff, uh, the, I don't know, the sheriff chief, whatever said, that's, that's like the evidence right there for, for ruining this guy's life is the fact that he, he shoved him.

00:25:17.000 What of course, but you see in that video is that the guy starts approaching his wife.

00:25:20.000 He's, he's like, he's, his wife says something to him and the guy starts walking towards him and steps on his property.

00:25:26.000 And that's when he shoves him and says, that's my wife.

00:25:28.000 And that's when the cops were like, that's, that's where he crossed the line when he shoved the guy.

00:25:31.000 You're saying like the cops ruin a Activists.

00:25:32.000 They do this.

00:25:33.000 For pushing someone.

00:25:33.000 Yes, because the left claimed he was racist for for shoving a young black man saying you're in the wrong neighborhood

00:25:41.000 So it's like social pressure that ruin this they used social pressure to try to ruin this activists politics

00:25:46.000 They do social pressure pushing because initially initially he got

00:25:50.000 It was basically the equivalent of like a citation because he slapped the guy's phone out of his hand, right? Okay,

00:25:55.000 but then Pressure is mounting 0.97

00:25:57.000 You know, there's this outrage in the community about this racist white man who's telling like a young black man he's in the wrong neighborhood.

00:26:04.000 And so so the police went back and said, oh, we have new evidence that shows that, you know, he shoved him.

00:26:09.000 It's like that's not new.

00:26:09.000 That was the video that went viral.

00:26:11.000 And that justifies.

00:26:13.000 Ultimately, the penalty was like it was like a short, like a few days in jail, like a five thousand dollar fine or something.

00:26:19.000 It was really small.

00:26:20.000 But that's that's nothing compared to the damage to this guy's reputation.

00:26:24.000 Like, the HOA where he lives disavowed him in a statement saying that racism has no home in this community.

00:26:32.000 That's what they do. 0.88

00:26:32.000 Like I said, the HOA, the police, the military, the media, as far as these entities that I just named are concerned, this guy is a vile racist who does not belong in polite society. 0.88

00:26:43.000 His life is ruined.

00:26:44.000 This is like, they say often that history doesn't repeat but it rhymes, you know, that phrase, but this is just such a great example of banishment, and how banishment has kind of come back around now, and now we have this social banishment, ostracization.

00:26:58.000 Conservatives need to call the bluff of the left.

00:27:01.000 They need to call the bluff and say, we hereby believe all cops should be abolished, and there's two reasons for it.

00:27:07.000 You see what they'll do to this guy?

00:27:09.000 You see what happens.

00:27:10.000 Anarcho-tyranny.

00:27:11.000 They will not enforce the laws to protect you, but they will enforce the law against you.

00:27:15.000 And the second reason is, y'all are gun owners.

00:27:18.000 Why are you worried about petty crime in your neighborhood and what the police are going to do about it?

00:27:22.000 If the left wants to abolish cops, if cops are then willing to ruin a man's life, not every single cop I know, Call their bluff.

00:27:29.000 Because how fast do you think... We saw this in Minneapolis.

00:27:33.000 When they were like, we want to abolish the police!

00:27:35.000 And then the city council was like, we hereby vote to abolish the police.

00:27:37.000 No, wait, stop!

00:27:38.000 Don't do it!

00:27:39.000 The city council members panicked and freaked out.

00:27:41.000 So I'll put it this way.

00:27:43.000 I've had leftists tweet like, Jim Poole only wants to abolish the police because he knows when the police are gone, the leftists will get really angry, or he thinks they will.

00:27:51.000 And I'm like, Well, that's partly correct.

00:27:53.000 I am 100% confident if the police actually got abolished, you will see every regular American wake up.

00:28:02.000 And that's one of the biggest problems.

00:28:03.000 Frogs boiling in a pot.

00:28:05.000 Conservatives can sit here all day and night and say, if we don't stop the tide from, the floodwaters from rising, if we don't put up sandbags, we will drown.

00:28:15.000 And people are sitting there just like, I don't care.

00:28:18.000 It's not flooding in my house.

00:28:19.000 And then within a month they're on the second floor being like, I don't care, I'm safe here

00:28:23.000 on the second floor.

00:28:24.000 Okay, call them on their bluff.

00:28:26.000 Say okay, look, I'll put it this way, the other side of this is, that may be partially

00:28:31.000 true that I definitely think the moment you actually try to abolish the police, regular

00:28:35.000 people will come out screaming, begging you to stop.

00:28:38.000 But the other issue is, exactly what we've been talking about.

00:28:41.000 It's only a matter of time before we see more police arrest regular people.

00:28:45.000 We saw with the McCloskeys. 1.00

00:28:46.000 People actually go onto their private property, go onto their lawns, and the McCloskeys come out. 1.00

00:28:50.000 Okay, they shouldn't have been brandishing the guns the way they were.

00:28:52.000 It was very ill-advised in that capacity.

00:28:56.000 But should they have been arrested, had their guns seized from them, and the cops will do it with no questions asked?

00:29:01.000 Then you have, in Wisconsin, this group of Black Lives Matter activists who had previously set fire to a home.

00:29:07.000 Twice! 0.99

00:29:07.000 In one day! 0.99

00:29:08.000 They started a house on fire.

00:29:10.000 I guess they came, put the fire out, and then after they leave, they went and set fire to it again.

00:29:14.000 Then you get this guy.

00:29:15.000 He's sitting in his house, and he sees this group.

00:29:17.000 He's got a shotgun, and he brandishes it at his window.

00:29:21.000 The window's closed.

00:29:23.000 The police show up, knock on his door, and arrest him.

00:29:26.000 And I'm like, so here you go.

00:29:28.000 Let it be known, okay? 0.99

00:29:30.000 If you think you will be spared by the police, you're insane. 1.00

00:29:34.000 You are insane. 0.97

00:29:35.000 We have seen on numerous occasions, that's three examples right now, that if Black Lives Matter comes to your home, and I said this before this guy got arrested, I said it's only a matter of time before Black Lives Matter will show up to your house, And the cops will look around and say, it is easier to arrest the homeowner than to deal with a riot. 0.98

00:29:54.000 And they will arrest you, who did nothing wrong in your own home.

00:29:57.000 Now we're seeing examples of this.

00:29:59.000 It was never going to be overnight.

00:30:00.000 It was going to be slowly and gradually, and it's going to get worse.

00:30:03.000 And if people just keep sitting back saying, eh, the cops are on my side, you're wrong.

00:30:07.000 100% wrong. 0.86

00:30:08.000 It's interesting because Antifa, or let's call them black blocks, these thugs, right? 0.98

00:30:13.000 They think of themselves as these kind of revolutionary revolutionaries. 0.88

00:30:17.000 But in many ways, they're basically just state-sanctioned thugs.

00:30:21.000 And in that sense, I think of Lumpenproletariat, which was this term Marx used to describe people without any real sense of class consciousness. 0.98

00:30:34.000 The term he used is social scum.

00:30:36.000 as opposed to actual proletariat. 1.00

00:30:38.000 And they ultimately, because they're social scum and they really 0.98

00:30:43.000 just want to break things and they can't they're incapable of building 0.99

00:30:45.000 anything. And they're just a bunch of criminals and degenerates, which 0.99

00:30:49.000 is true. I mean, I'm talking about an antifa. 0.99

00:30:52.000 Right. OK.

00:30:53.000 So ultimately, what they end up being is tools of reactionary

00:30:58.000 And what he means by that is these are people who think that they're involved in something important, but they're not.

00:31:03.000 They're just being used by the state as kind of like, you know, like I said, state-sanctioned thugs.

00:31:08.000 Or, I mean, On the other hand, what Antifa does, Antifa window repair, this is great for the biggest, most powerful corporations in this country.

00:31:19.000 It's great for Amazon when the small brick-and-mortar business gets burned to the ground by Antifa. 0.91

00:31:24.000 It's great for Walmart when the small shop gets destroyed and incinerated during riots.

00:31:29.000 This is great.

00:31:30.000 Jeff Bezos, at the same time that these riots were happening last year, and people were having their livelihoods eradicated, Jeff Bezos increased his worth by $13 billion in a single day.

00:31:43.000 And the reason for that is partly due to the fact that you could still buy from Amazon, but you couldn't go to the local mom-and-pop shop.

00:31:49.000 Big box stores were given special exemptions.

00:31:51.000 We saw this in Michigan, where like a local, I can't remember what it was, I think it was like a flowers and plant shop was shut down, but then the gardening area of Walmart is left open.

00:32:00.000 So they say, whoa, but Walmart sells food.

00:32:02.000 And a lot of people said, okay, should I sell loaves of bread at my hobby shop so I can stay open?

00:32:07.000 Well, that's the game that was being played.

00:32:11.000 The massive transfer of wealth.

00:32:13.000 But it wasn't just Democrat cities saying, we're going to destroy small businesses.

00:32:17.000 At the same time, you had mass unrest, thousands of people marching through the street, shoulder to shoulder.

00:32:23.000 And what did the media say?

00:32:24.000 What did the universities say?

00:32:26.000 What did the Democrat politicians say?

00:32:27.000 This is not spreading COVID.

00:32:30.000 Your business is shut down because a little old grandma walking in to buy milk could cause the apocalypse, but 2,000 people shoulder-to-shoulder marching through New York gets a round of applause from the doctors. 0.98

00:32:41.000 We see those stupid propaganda photos where the nurse is, like, standing in front of the car, and the woman in the car is saying, like, you know, honk for freedom or something. 0.99

00:32:49.000 And then all the people on the internet are like, look at these brave nurses fighting for us, stopping these stupid anti-lockdown protesters. 1.00

00:32:55.000 Then a video comes out. 0.98

00:32:56.000 People marching through New York, thousands, and nurses and doctors walk outside and start clapping for them.

00:33:02.000 And when questioned, they said, but racism is the real public health crisis.

00:33:06.000 I mean, this is another example of going back to this discussion about the FBI and the Capitol Police using these fabricated threats or these exaggerated threats to justify their budgets and their operations.

00:33:17.000 The CDC declared recently racism as a public health threat, and they tied it to the need for more funding.

00:33:24.000 I love it when the cops all took a knee at these protests.

00:33:27.000 Cops, FBI, National Guard.

00:33:29.000 And basically pledging fealty to the extremists.

00:33:33.000 And now we're seeing the implementation of what that ideology really means.

00:33:35.000 And Mark Milley, Joint Chiefs of Staff, saying like, you know, getting full woke, but I want to understand this stuff, he says.

00:33:43.000 And then you still have conservatives.

00:33:45.000 I'm watching, I can't remember what I was watching.

00:33:46.000 I was watching a live stream and people are yelling, back the blue.

00:33:49.000 And I'm like, man, Pay attention, dude.

00:33:52.000 Those people that you're defending took a knee for Black Lives Matter.

00:33:58.000 All right, support them, I guess.

00:33:59.000 This Capitol Police thing's concerning me.

00:34:02.000 So they got a $2 billion just recently?

00:34:04.000 I think the funding, yeah, the funding was in the last year or so.

00:34:09.000 But the point is, is they have a huge war chest.

00:34:11.000 Who do they serve?

00:34:13.000 Like, who do they report to?

00:34:14.000 Well, they're supposed to be serving their job is to protect members of Congress, right?

00:34:19.000 So, but I mean, this is kind of like, I don't know, whatever the local police department here is.

00:34:24.000 And then they say, we're going national, and we're expanding our operations nationwide.

00:34:29.000 And we're also going to be bringing in army equipment.

00:34:31.000 So are they federal?

00:34:32.000 Yeah, it's a federal- I'm actually not sure if they're technically- They're federal, yes.

00:34:36.000 It's a federal police force that they're expanding.

00:34:39.000 They're a federal police force, but they're supposed to be relegated to the Capitol.

00:34:41.000 This is like the Stasi, man. 0.83

00:34:43.000 The Stasi, Poe, the SS. 0.54

00:34:45.000 Well, I mean, you have the- I mean, Stasi- It's not like it, it just sounds like it could become something like that.

00:34:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:50.000 The only issue with the Stasi thing is that you already have the NSA, CIA, the FBI, and about 17 other members to choose from. 0.63

00:34:57.000 This could be the inception of a federal-level police force intelligence agency beyond FPS or ICE.

00:35:05.000 That's the concern.

00:35:06.000 We have this quote.

00:35:07.000 This is from Newsweek reporting on a press release from Capitol Police.

00:35:09.000 Throughout the last six months, the U.S.

00:35:11.000 Capitol Police has been working around the clock with our congressional stakeholders to support our officers, enhance security around the Capitol complex, and pivot towards an intelligence-based protective agency, the department said in a news release on Tuesday.

00:35:24.000 This was about two weeks ago.

00:35:26.000 So California, Florida, planning offices around the country.

00:35:30.000 Like you were mentioning earlier, Ian, the Mark Twain quote, history doesn't repeat it rhymes.

00:35:36.000 We look back at the easiest example of authoritarianism that is overused by millions of people, World War II Germany, the burning of the Reichstag.

00:35:46.000 Yeah, and then you had the Enabling Act, and then all of a sudden these sweeping laws were enacted.

00:35:51.000 Opponents of the party were being rounded up.

00:35:55.000 You know, look, a lot of people want to say things like, it can't happen here, right?

00:36:00.000 Oh, it can happen.

00:36:01.000 Even BuzzFeed is now saying that this Whitmer plot may not even have happened were it not for the FBI.

00:36:06.000 And I think that's an actually unfair assessment.

00:36:09.000 I think the fair assessment is it would not have happened were it not for the FBI.

00:36:13.000 We're looking at the Capitol Police in response to 1-6.

00:36:15.000 We get these news outlets tweeting, Donald Trump's failed attempt to overthrow the government.

00:36:21.000 Like, they're just using the most psychotic language.

00:36:24.000 And now we have the law enforcement apparatus being constructed.

00:36:27.000 Am I supposed to sit here and assume this is not going to be like every past authoritarian regime that has used a crisis to create an ideological law enforcement force?

00:36:36.000 Or do I see them screaming of the insurrection and then expanding Capitol Police nationwide and think to myself, this is a federal police force that is going to be acting like an intelligence-based protective agency How long until they start going after material support for the insurrectionists?

00:36:53.000 How long until they start going after the incitement of the insurrectionists?

00:36:57.000 Hey, incitement's a crime, right?

00:36:58.000 It's happening now.

00:37:00.000 In Michigan, Whitmer State, you have the Attorney General, I think Dana Nestle is her name, and Republicans supported this, by the way, but there's now an effort to investigate people who are fundraising on what they, on what A.G.

00:37:14.000 Nestle says are false claims about the election being stolen.

00:37:18.000 In effect, this could criminalize fundraising efforts to secure an independent election audit in Michigan.

00:37:25.000 This is a grassroots movement that the Attorney General is talking about potentially criminalizing.

00:37:30.000 So what they're basically trying to argue is that if you fundraise off of it, it's fraud.

00:37:33.000 It's fraud.

00:37:34.000 So using the pretext of fraud to potentially crack down on legitimate grassroots effort to secure an election.

00:37:34.000 That's right.

00:37:42.000 This is in line with the federal level with Jen Psaki saying that they're working with phone companies.

00:37:48.000 Well, she didn't say this, but they're working with Facebook.

00:37:50.000 We got different reports on Politico that the Biden admin and the DNC are working with phone companies to police misinformation.

00:37:57.000 You know, uh, Peter Doocy.

00:37:59.000 I said Steve Doocy accidentally.

00:38:00.000 Peter Doocy.

00:38:01.000 Steve is the guy who's dead, I think.

00:38:02.000 Peter Doocy made a really, really good point when he was getting into that exchange with Jen Psaki. 0.60

00:38:07.000 He said, there is a video of Dr. Fauci from 2020 saying not to wear masks, and it's still on Facebook right now.

00:38:14.000 Should that be removed?

00:38:16.000 And she immediately Yeah.

00:38:18.000 defended Dr. Fauci. Well, Dr. Fauci has said the science changed and we all know. And then

00:38:22.000 he said, aren't you scared that information you would have removed today could turn out

00:38:27.000 to be correct?

00:38:28.000 Yeah, that's that. That's the principled position. But you see, when people want power, they

00:38:34.000 need to stifle and suppress and control. So here we go, man.

00:38:39.000 Nestle, by the way, is right.

00:38:40.000 She's the woman who when this woman whose restaurant was being 0.98

00:38:45.000 affected by the lockdown started to make a lot of noise about

00:38:47.000 it and Fox was contacting her about bringing her on to the on to talk Carlson show.

00:38:52.000 Nestle was the woman who was asking police if they could quote just have her picked up before she can go on Fox. 0.57

00:38:58.000 Her emails got leaked to the press and the dating shows that

00:39:03.000 after this woman, I don't remember her name right now was making a bunch of noise, but the lockdowns and how it's

00:39:07.000 affecting business after that Nestle sent an email saying can we just

00:39:12.000 have her picked up before before she can go on Fox. 1.00

00:39:15.000 So this woman actually goes on Fox, goes on Tucker Carlson's show, and a few days after that, she's actually arrested.

00:39:20.000 What was she arrested for?

00:39:21.000 Fraud?

00:39:21.000 It was some minor thing. I'm not exactly sure But but what's crazy is the fact that this is a thing that

00:39:28.000 just happens now, right that you can get caught Talking about just arresting someone before they can go

00:39:34.000 talk to the press and then you actually do it and it was under whatever reason right and then

00:39:38.000 You it's fine back the blue, baby No one cares.

00:39:42.000 Gotta back the blue.

00:39:43.000 There's a rational explanation for that.

00:39:45.000 I'm not even sure if what they arrested her for was even related to the fact that she was throwing up a middle finger to the lockdowns.

00:39:52.000 But the point is, regardless, they arrested her as Nestle said they should.

00:39:57.000 Kind of just to send a message, right?

00:40:00.000 Well, I guess it's not bizarre because it's 2021.

00:40:00.000 It's just bizarre to me.

00:40:03.000 But still, it's a thing that happens and everyone is just fine with.

00:40:06.000 Yeah, this is how we do things now.

00:40:07.000 How funny would it be if just all the populist right conservatives just started saying, we all agree now, abolish the police is the right move, we were wrong.

00:40:16.000 Like, the establishment left would flip so quickly.

00:40:20.000 They would be like, hail police!

00:40:21.000 We love police!

00:40:23.000 Yeah, hail police!

00:40:24.000 Daniel Horowitz is this guy at the blaze.

00:40:26.000 He is not a populist.

00:40:29.000 He's very much a traditional, unironically principled conservative.

00:40:33.000 Again, working for the blaze, not a radical outlet, and he's actually taken this line.

00:40:39.000 Defund the police.

00:40:39.000 Because he, like you, he thinks that the police are no longer actually doing their job, they're no longer actually protecting us from crime, from violent crime.

00:40:48.000 They're in fact now just kind of acting as the enforcement arm of the Democratic Party.

00:40:51.000 It's because I think, for one, I've talked to a lot of cops.

00:40:55.000 I've gotten emails from a lot of cops.

00:40:57.000 The good ones quit.

00:40:58.000 Right away, they were like, I won't do that.

00:41:00.000 That's the line.

00:41:01.000 And now what's left are these like, you know, a lot of people who are scared to lose their job and a lot of cops who aren't actually doing any work.

00:41:08.000 So, to those guys, I'm kind of like, well, you know, I guess.

00:41:11.000 I guess.

00:41:12.000 When you're taking taxpayer money and doing nothing, it's kind of a problem.

00:41:14.000 But, uh, it's better than enforcing unjust laws.

00:41:17.000 But you do have a lot of cops who are just like, I don't care.

00:41:22.000 I'll arrest anybody that my boss points the finger at.

00:41:25.000 There was that video in, um, I think it was Portland, I'm not sure, where a bunch of Antifa are, like, walking towards a guy yelling at him.

00:41:31.000 One guy's got some kind of, like, stick.

00:41:33.000 I don't think it's a machete.

00:41:34.000 I think it's a bar or something.

00:41:35.000 A crowbar.

00:41:36.000 And there's a guy walking backwards with a baseball bat.

00:41:39.000 The cops grab and the guy drops the bat, gets on his knees, puts his hands up.

00:41:42.000 The cops arrest him and then apologize to the Antifa people.

00:41:46.000 And start saying really nice things.

00:41:47.000 I'm so sorry.

00:41:48.000 Bro, at a certain point, these conservatives need to realize that the cops are being replaced by Black Lives Matter.

00:41:54.000 And it's funny because when I've said before, you know, we should defund or abolish the police, people are like, Tim, then national police will come in and then the feds will control it all.

00:42:03.000 And I'm like, dude, The left already has the police.

00:42:07.000 The cops took a knee.

00:42:09.000 They dropped on their... literally... Okay, you guys ever watch Game of Thrones?

00:42:13.000 Bend the knee.

00:42:14.000 That was the line.

00:42:15.000 It was like to pledge fealty to the Queen.

00:42:18.000 To the Khaleesi.

00:42:19.000 What a sad failure of a show at the end.

00:42:21.000 But my point is, I don't care what you think bending the knee means.

00:42:25.000 Take a knee for Black Lives Matter. 1.00

00:42:26.000 Yeah, they're pledging fealty.

00:42:28.000 They did.

00:42:28.000 Now, I was still willing to be like, okay, we're gonna have an election and we'll see.

00:42:32.000 This is the kind of thing that's gonna wake people up and...

00:42:35.000 A lot of people did change their minds.

00:42:36.000 Trump got a massive amount of more votes, but the Democrats did a lot of things in the lead up to 2020 with, with mail-in voting changes that made it, that gave them huge advantages.

00:42:44.000 We saw the article from Time Magazine, and now the police are comprised almost entirely, in my opinion, of people who either don't care, won't work, or actually support Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

00:42:56.000 In which case, call their bluff.

00:42:58.000 Y'all are going to be fine.

00:42:59.000 You think I'm worried about it?

00:43:01.000 Most conservatives live in rural areas.

00:43:01.000 I'm not.

00:43:03.000 Why is anybody going to be worried about it?

00:43:05.000 I guess if you're living in a city and you're a conservative, but then you're giving tax money to these people, so... We gotta act like we're playing the video game of civilization right now, as well as living in the country just chilling.

00:43:16.000 We're also communicating to hundreds of thousands of people, creating an archetype of what it can be.

00:43:24.000 I don't want to lose local police because the federal police will get stronger and then you do have the SS and like, I don't know.

00:43:31.000 So we really should empower local police to do the right thing.

00:43:35.000 But these cops are too weak.

00:43:38.000 Well, it's a generalization.

00:43:40.000 You know, we don't know them.

00:43:41.000 We really don't know.

00:43:42.000 We see a lot of news articles and make assumptions.

00:43:44.000 So I wrote about, in West Virginia, a bunch of sheriff's departments decided that if any really restrictive gun control laws would get passed, the sheriffs would find these different ways to basically not enforce them.

00:43:59.000 There was one sheriff, I don't remember his name, but he basically said, I'm gonna deputize every single person.

00:44:03.000 That was Virginia, not West Virginia, I'm pretty sure.

00:44:07.000 Yeah, okay, Virginia.

00:44:08.000 I wrote an article about this for Chronicles.

00:44:10.000 And it was really funny because the reporter was like, wait, so you're saying that you're just going to make everyone a deputy?

00:44:15.000 And the guy was like, yeah, that's right.

00:44:17.000 I'm just going to give everyone a badge.

00:44:18.000 And then that way, the gun control laws won't apply to them.

00:44:21.000 So there are these good people on the local level.

00:44:23.000 But still, I think what you're ultimately talking about here is this kind of attitudinal disposition that conservatives have, where they still feel a kind of Call it blind loyalty to institutions that either no longer exists or are actually hostile to them.

00:44:41.000 And that, broadly speaking, that institution is the law enforcement apparatus.

00:44:45.000 This is a very uncomfortable place for conservatives.

00:44:48.000 Conservatives are the law and order people.

00:44:50.000 They're the people that, you know, that they respect the police.

00:44:53.000 They're the ones that follow the rules.

00:44:54.000 They respect hierarchies, whether or not they'll admit it.

00:44:58.000 And now they're in a position where they're at the bottom of the food chain.

00:45:02.000 And they're being actively persecuted by the institutions and by the people that they think are going to save them.

00:45:09.000 I mean, there's a common thing that conservatives say is, you know, as bad as things get, the military is going to have our back.

00:45:17.000 Mark Milley says that's not the case.

00:45:21.000 And so if you're a conservative who, for your entire life, you've been rah-rah, the Pentagon, you know, back the blue.

00:45:28.000 Now, like, the guns are pointed at you.

00:45:31.000 I think so.

00:45:33.000 There is a discussion that needs to be had.

00:45:33.000 So you're right.

00:45:36.000 And I think we're only just beginning to have it about.

00:45:40.000 Joe Biden was talking about the voting laws, and he says what we're seeing is the greatest threat since the Civil War.

00:45:45.000 The insurrectionists breached the Capitol.

00:45:46.000 in huge cities who are no longer really cops.

00:45:49.000 They're just bureaucrats.

00:45:50.000 And they're not in this for public safety.

00:45:52.000 They're in it for themselves.

00:45:53.000 Joe Biden was talking about the voting laws.

00:45:56.000 And he says what we're seeing is the greatest threat since the Civil War.

00:46:01.000 The insurrectionists breached the Capitol.

00:46:03.000 The Confederates never did that.

00:46:05.000 And, you know, we've talked about this a bit in the past several episodes,

00:46:08.000 but I want to add something to this idea.

00:46:10.000 Joe Biden's only saying these things that paint half the country as enemies of the state because he's confident that in the coming years, this group of people will be figuratively eradicated.

00:46:25.000 What I mean by that is politically eradicated.

00:46:27.000 That they're fractured, they can't organize, they won't win elections, and their opinions are completely meaningless.

00:46:34.000 And then it's going to be the overstate or the cathedral that controls everything.

00:46:38.000 And you look at what's happened with the police, and I think actually, interestingly, the resistance of conservatives is what's helped convert police departments into woke enforcement agencies.

00:46:49.000 When the left started saying, abolish the police and defund the police, and put extreme pressure on the police departments, conservatives stopped the departments from completely going under by pushing back, and then you had this argument over whether or not we really want to abolish police, and it worked out really, really well for the woke.

00:47:04.000 Because then, the good cops were like, I'm not going to be a part of this, leave.

00:47:08.000 Who's left?

00:47:09.000 The people who either don't care or are willing to do whatever they're told.

00:47:12.000 And then, because conservatives saved the department from being totally abolished, They were able to restock it up with cops who know exactly what these modern political times will bear.

00:47:23.000 So now, I would only speculate, you know, we're moving into 2022.

00:47:28.000 We're going to have the midterms.

00:47:31.000 They're going to be coming after conservatives like you cannot even believe.

00:47:35.000 They have already been tweeting things like, if we lose the House, it's all over.

00:47:40.000 Yes, their glorious revolution will be all over if Republicans get back the house and can impeach Joe Biden for high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:47:48.000 So what do you think they'll do?

00:47:49.000 They're going to come after right-wing influencers. 0.99

00:47:51.000 They're going to come after anti-establishment in any capacity, which includes some anti-war leftist types and people like Jimmy Dore, for instance.

00:47:56.000 I don't know if they'll ban him, but they've gone after people in this area who are anti-war, anti-establishment Democrat.

00:48:03.000 They're going to try and get rid of anybody who might actually make them look bad.

00:48:07.000 And they'll do it very slowly.

00:48:08.000 If they do it overnight, it'll cause too much of an uproar.

00:48:10.000 But they can't afford to lose the House.

00:48:13.000 Yeah, I think you're seeing this with Glenn Greenwald, right?

00:48:15.000 He's kind of become a bad lefty because he has joined sides with the populist right and talking about how terrible the national security apparatus is.

00:48:25.000 But he's always been that.

00:48:27.000 Right.

00:48:28.000 The populist right finally joined him.

00:48:29.000 That's right.

00:48:30.000 That's a good point.

00:48:32.000 But here is something to consider is that I'm not sure that even if Republicans would resume power, like assume power again, It's not clear that it would actually make a difference, because it seems to be the case that Republicans can win elections, but the left will remain in control of institutions.

00:48:50.000 And therefore elections are kind of just, they're like respites.

00:48:50.000 Right.

00:48:55.000 They're periods where we can catch our breath, maybe plan.

00:48:58.000 Pressure release.

00:48:59.000 Yeah, that's all it is.

00:49:01.000 But ultimately the trajectory of the country does not change.

00:49:04.000 If we follow the same trajectory as we did in Trump's first term, that is to say in 2022 Republicans win, but then the Democrats wield the power of the intelligence agencies against conservatives and jams them up, investigates and crushes them.

00:49:20.000 Republicans are at a loss.

00:49:21.000 Republicans don't do this.

00:49:22.000 Republicans don't fight back.

00:49:24.000 And then we move into 2023 with the presidency.

00:49:27.000 Same thing.

00:49:28.000 One of my favorite memes right now is this idea you hear.

00:49:31.000 A lot of libertarians are saying things like this.

00:49:32.000 They're like, the Democrats think the Republicans are lying, cheating, and stealing, and manipulating to gain more power.

00:49:38.000 And the Republicans think the Democrats are lying, cheating, and stealing to gain more power.

00:49:41.000 People need to realize, you know, both sides That is not true.

00:49:45.000 Republicans don't do anything.

00:49:46.000 Republicans have no cultural institutions.

00:49:48.000 They don't have universities.

00:49:49.000 They don't have movies.

00:49:50.000 They got nothing.

00:49:51.000 The best conservatives can muster is Ben Shapiro putting out a movie.

00:49:55.000 And that's great!

00:49:56.000 You know, respect for putting out this movie and getting into entertainment.

00:49:59.000 So they're actually doing something.

00:50:01.000 But conservatives are not reaching children.

00:50:03.000 They're not reaching young people.

00:50:05.000 You know, there was a tweet, I think, I can't remember where I saw this, maybe from Cassandra Fairbanks, that Nickelodeon or Disney Channel was playing anti-Trump ads.

00:50:15.000 Oh yeah, she was talking about that.

00:50:16.000 Was that Cassandra?

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:17.000 Anti-Donald Trump ads on Disney Channel.

00:50:19.000 Why?

00:50:20.000 Those kids will grow up.

00:50:22.000 In 10 years from now, those 10-year-olds will be 20, and they are going to be ideological extremists.

00:50:29.000 And they'll vote.

00:50:30.000 And you won't even realize it.

00:50:31.000 Some of these kids right now, 15.

00:50:34.000 Three more years, and they're voting.

00:50:34.000 15 years old.

00:50:36.000 And you gotta figure out what these kids are thinking, and I'm sure the Democrats are doing exactly that, and that's why schools are indoctrinating them.

00:50:42.000 Cause what's gonna happen is, you are gonna get some classically liberal leftist, and I mean it, actual like lefty individual, who, well I shouldn't say classically liberal, we'll say traditional liberal, agrees with a lot of conservatives, someone similar to maybe like me, they'll run for office, but in three to five years, they'll be considered far right.

00:51:00.000 Like we had Vosh on the show and he called me far right, it was hilarious. 0.98

00:51:03.000 But he's, what is he, 26?

00:51:04.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:51:07.000 So these 26-year-old lefties on YouTube think 35-year-old Tim Pool, who believes in universal health care and social programs, is far right.

00:51:14.000 That's good, though.

00:51:15.000 That means you're the Trojan horse.

00:51:16.000 You're controlled opposition.

00:51:18.000 No, no.

00:51:18.000 It means that in 10 more years, or in even three to five years, these young people are going to come up and they're going to see a traditional conservative and think, Nazi.

00:51:28.000 And they're going to see moderate liberal and think, far-right conservative.

00:51:33.000 If the train goes as it's As it's headed.

00:51:35.000 But we, you know, society is not linear.

00:51:38.000 Things don't happen linear.

00:51:39.000 We constantly are changing the narrative and shifting and altering the way things are happening.

00:51:43.000 Well, there's one thing to consider, and it's that liberals don't have kids. 0.97

00:51:46.000 Right.

00:51:47.000 We're going to out-breathe them.

00:51:49.000 I mean, this is already happening, though, right?

00:51:51.000 When Glenn Greenwald retweets my stuff or interacts with anything, immediately he's labeled as a crypto-fascist, and then people will screenshot things that I write and be like, this is who Glenn is promoting, this fascist authoritarian stuff.

00:52:08.000 So, I mean, it's already happening.

00:52:11.000 But I think the anti-Trump ads on, you said Disney?

00:52:16.000 I think it was Disney Channel.

00:52:17.000 OK.

00:52:18.000 Anti-Trump ads on Disney is like a good day for Disney, considering all the other smut that they write, that they run for children.

00:52:25.000 And I think this this kind of gets the issue of like critical race theory, where I really appreciate the work.

00:52:31.000 Christopher Rufo is like a national treasure.

00:52:34.000 But I think he has shown that Critical race theory goes so much deeper than anyone really thought it did.

00:52:43.000 And it has already infected every single cultural and social tissue that the task of extirpating critical race theory is actually much bigger and much more daunting than I think anyone had imagined before Rufo came on the scene and started showing people how pervasive this stuff is.

00:53:04.000 Yeah, I wanna, uh... Well, actually, we'll jump in in a second.

00:53:10.000 Conservatives need to start producing culture, you know?

00:53:12.000 I guess... I was trying to look something up and just... We'll pull that up in a second.

00:53:16.000 If... There is something interesting that we saw with Pew Research, and that is that the previous generation is slightly more conservative... I'm sorry.

00:53:25.000 The Gen Z is a little bit more conservative than Millennials, but only a little bit.

00:53:30.000 And that probably has a lot to do with the fact that you said, you know, conservatives are outbreeding liberals.

00:53:34.000 So I have to, I have to imagine.

00:53:35.000 So I want, I want to add this to what I was saying before about, you know, next three to five years, you might see some dramatic changes.

00:53:41.000 It's entirely possible I'm wrong, because in 10 years, the Generation Alpha or, you know, whatever comes after Alpha, I don't know.

00:53:48.000 Alpha Gen.

00:53:48.000 Is it?

00:53:49.000 Is that what it is?

00:53:49.000 It's Alpha Gen, then Beta Gen.

00:53:51.000 Yeah, Alpha Gen.

00:53:52.000 They might be substantially more conservative by simply the fact that conservatives have kids.

00:53:57.000 So you look at like, you know, Ben Shapiro.

00:53:59.000 I love it.

00:53:59.000 They call him an incel.

00:54:00.000 He's got, like, how many kids does the guy have?

00:54:01.000 Twelve?

00:54:01.000 Four, I think?

00:54:02.000 Twelve kids?

00:54:05.000 No, he's like four kids.

00:54:06.000 He has more kids than the people that call him in, so.

00:54:09.000 That's true.

00:54:10.000 Right, right, right.

00:54:11.000 So, you know, actually, I could be completely wrong.

00:54:13.000 You know, we could be 10 years out from a conservative resurgence for a lot of reasons.

00:54:18.000 It could be that all of this stuff with police, all of this stuff with the military is freaking out regular people.

00:54:24.000 Come August 15th, as Bannon said, we see these In schools, the parents freak out at what their kids are learning.

00:54:31.000 And then 10 years goes by, and the millennials are now in their mid to late 40s.

00:54:37.000 And then the next generation is actually very woke, but most of the generation actually is more conservative simply by the amount of conservative kids are growing up.

00:54:48.000 So that's a very real possibility.

00:54:49.000 This could be a fluke.

00:54:51.000 Reaction is very possible.

00:54:53.000 And as pessimistic and cynical as I am in the short term, I have to be optimistic about the future, about the long term, because I have kids.

00:55:01.000 I've got one who's about a year old, and then I've got another one all the way in December.

00:55:05.000 And so I have to hold out hope that something like this is going to happen.

00:55:08.000 Because the idea of just settling on the notion that the future will be so much more horrible for my kids, it just seems unacceptable to me.

00:55:18.000 Look at what AOC and a bunch of these leftists are saying.

00:55:21.000 Oh, we can't have kids because of climate change.

00:55:23.000 It's like, OK, they're not going to have kids.

00:55:25.000 Conservatives are going to have kids. 0.94

00:55:28.000 And then when they do, I mean, this could be actually substantial.

00:55:33.000 If you look at millennials today, not having kids, but mostly the left ones.

00:55:37.000 A lot of non-political people have kids, conservatives have kids.

00:55:41.000 Lefty, liberal type millennials don't have kids. 1.00

00:55:44.000 So what happens in 20 years?

00:55:47.000 Is this country going to become a bunch of suit-wearing young Republicans?

00:55:51.000 A paranoid mind might rebut you by saying, well, this is why Democrats like open borders, because they can import new recruits, so to speak.

00:56:01.000 And why they're going after schools.

00:56:02.000 They know they don't have kids, so they gotta take yours. 1.00

00:56:05.000 One problem I find with conservatism by the label, I guess, is that I think that we need To kind of reintroduce or just enforce some sort of social conservatism in that like, you know, we talk a lot about morality and like not going flying too far off, but we need some like drastic legal liberalism.

00:56:24.000 I think we need to take take Liberty with our crappy system and change it.

00:56:29.000 So. 0.79

00:56:31.000 I think conservative politicians are not getting anything done.

00:56:35.000 You know, they've been sitting around just kind of like enjoying the status quo.

00:56:39.000 Just say as much as you need to get elected and then do nothing.

00:56:39.000 And that's a problem.

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 And we need like really to alter the system.

00:56:44.000 The Federal Reserve's gone roughshod.

00:56:47.000 The Central Electric grid.

00:56:48.000 The law enforcement agencies, the police departments.

00:56:50.000 Yeah, we've got like all these... Local governments.

00:56:52.000 I mean, yeah.

00:56:53.000 You know, I mean, yesterday's conversation was like particularly brutal.

00:56:57.000 And we were talking about just With anarcho-tyranny keep coming up, I think anarcho-tyranny is obviously happening.

00:57:06.000 It's been happening for some years now.

00:57:08.000 And I think that's the easiest way to understand that the system probably already collapsed.

00:57:13.000 If you have people who feel like calling the police is pointless, legitimately, not like Black Lives Matter where they're like, oh no, I can't call the cops. 0.98

00:57:22.000 People legitimately saying, I know they're not going to come here and deal with this riot.

00:57:25.000 But then also fearing if the rioters attack your house, you will get arrested.

00:57:29.000 The system is completely broken.

00:57:30.000 Well, I think the issue with anarcho-tyranny is that the anarcho part is by design.

00:57:37.000 It's a feature, not a bug.

00:57:39.000 And the point of it is to kind of paralyze the decent populace into feeling like they can't do any of the things you just described.

00:57:48.000 They can't defend themselves.

00:57:50.000 They can't have control over what their kids learn in schools and things like that.

00:57:53.000 So I guess it seems like the system has failed but it might actually be the case that it's more powerful than ever.

00:57:59.000 But on the other hand, historically when regimes become more repressive and more overt in the methods with which they coerce people to behave a certain way and to talk a certain way and think a certain way is usually when they're on the verge of crumbling or instigating a kind of reaction.

00:58:19.000 So because really effective systems of control are impersonal and automatic.

00:58:25.000 So when you have to start actively policing people, like we're seeing now, the Capitol Police leaving the Capitol, things like that, or the Biden administration talking about monitoring text messages, things like that.

00:58:38.000 That stuff, as much as it shows the power and boldness of the established political

00:58:43.000 order, it also tells us that it's kind of in this precarious position where it's this

00:58:48.000 close to maybe overplaying its hand.

00:58:50.000 Yeah, I think about that with text censorship too, because we should have a system I think

00:58:53.000 more that's granular where you can choose what you see rather than them choosing what

00:58:58.000 The fact that they're in there deciding who gets to say what is like, yeah, they're powerful, but it's also showing how the cracks in their system like.

00:59:07.000 Well, you know— They're afraid.

00:59:08.000 You look at Big Tech, and first I'll just say, you're right.

00:59:11.000 The moves they're making show an increasing desperation and panic.

00:59:15.000 And then you look at Big Tech censorship, and I can't figure out for the life of me what their goal is with Big Tech censorship. 1.00

00:59:21.000 I mean this honestly, because these are some of the dumbest— they're supposedly some of the smartest people, but boy, are they dumb! 0.99

00:59:28.000 I mean, if you had a sit-down meeting, you could figure out what was happening in only a few minutes. 1.00

00:59:32.000 I said this to Jack Dorsey.

00:59:35.000 On the Joker experience, when I was just like, at the end of the show, I'm like, I'm getting a van.

00:59:39.000 And they were like, they started laughing, and I'm like, y'all think I'm joking, but I was like, if you keep doing what you're doing, with this hyper-polarization on Twitter, people are gonna come to a civil war of sorts, they're gonna go after each other, it's gonna be insane.

00:59:51.000 So I'm getting that van ready, I'm gonna go bug out.

00:59:53.000 And, you know, people were messaging me laughing, saying, ha, it's so funny, I'm like, y'all think I'm joking?

00:59:58.000 Now look where we are.

01:00:00.000 With the police taking a knee, with the riots, with COVID.

01:00:02.000 Everything that's happened since then has been a dramatic escalation.

01:00:05.000 It's like, I certainly was not wrong.

01:00:07.000 I didn't give a good timeline.

01:00:08.000 But you look at what these tech companies are doing.

01:00:10.000 I couldn't figure it out.

01:00:11.000 I can sit here and say, here's what they started doing in 2010, in 2011, 2012, and look at each year, the changes they made.

01:00:20.000 Twitter, free speech wing, and the free speech party.

01:00:22.000 They used that to build themselves up, create a platform, Then you look at the past several years.

01:00:28.000 They make moves to make money.

01:00:32.000 They make moves to hyperpolarize.

01:00:35.000 What they are doing is only making things increasingly worse.

01:00:38.000 So the question is, is Twitter trying to stop the polarization?

01:00:42.000 Well, they're not doing that, so it's still only getting worse, and it has been getting worse.

01:00:46.000 Okay, then they want the polarization?

01:00:48.000 Well, I- I- I guess?

01:00:51.000 If I had to- If I had to look- If I looked at what they were doing and someone said, take a look at this system, and the equation, and the map, what is happening?

01:00:59.000 I'd say Jack Dorsey wants a civil war.

01:01:02.000 Mark Zuckerberg and- and Susan Wojcicki want people to literally attack each other in the streets.

01:01:07.000 That's the only thing I can- I can understand from it.

01:01:08.000 Yeah.

01:01:10.000 So to Ian's point, I think you're also seeing this in the shift toward antitrust action.

01:01:16.000 Increasingly conservatives, populists are open to antitrust action.

01:01:20.000 I think a part of it is just a matter of enmity.

01:01:22.000 People are angry, right? 0.98

01:01:24.000 And to your point, Jeff Bezos literally booting Parler off the internet was probably the stupidest thing he could have done.

01:01:33.000 Because what that did, far from killing whatever narrative was being promoted on Parler that he thought was problematic, I think it was related to the January 6th thing, instead it just resulted in more people than ever, especially conservatives, who generally I think would have been opposed to something like antitrust, like taking a hammer and smashing Amazon, are now all for it.

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:55.000 There's no political willpower to do it.

01:01:55.000 You're seeing this now.

01:01:57.000 No, no, no.

01:01:58.000 There is absolutely an effort to kind of throw an olive branch to the to the populists and say, look, we're trying.

01:02:06.000 We're trying to do something.

01:02:07.000 We're putting together a raft of legislation.

01:02:09.000 We're trying to take measures to bring to heel Amazon and Facebook and Twitter and stuff like that.

01:02:15.000 But you're right that there's this kind of reluctance and a way to to to do something without actually doing anything.

01:02:22.000 But.

01:02:24.000 I think that kind of like the cat's out of the bag and it can only escalate.

01:02:27.000 I think you're only going to see this trend toward demands for antitrust action increase, at least from conservatives.

01:02:35.000 I think that liberals are probably more opposed to it.

01:02:37.000 Sorry, liberals are more opposed to it because They're in power right now. 0.99

01:02:42.000 These institutions, these corporations, for the most part, they're doing what they want them to do.

01:02:48.000 And so, at the same time that you have conservatives pushing for antitrust action, you have people who are on the left saying, well, the thing that Facebook needs to do is not be broken up, but actually just kick conservatives off the platform completely.

01:03:00.000 I think Jen Psaki said something recently that if Facebook bans you, you should be banned from all platforms.

01:03:05.000 Yep.

01:03:06.000 I've got some weird necrotic energy when it comes to Saki lately. 0.98

01:03:09.000 I've been having nightmares about her.

01:03:11.000 Yeah, like this dark, decaying energy around her.

01:03:11.000 Like a necromancer?

01:03:16.000 I think I've been dreaming about her, or she's been in the back of my subconscious in a real weird way.

01:03:23.000 I'm sorry about gesticulating, by the way.

01:03:25.000 It's my Latin.

01:03:26.000 Oh, no, it's fine.

01:03:28.000 It's worse than you realize.

01:03:28.000 Check this out.

01:03:29.000 From CNN, of all places.

01:03:32.000 White House is reviewing Section 230 amid efforts to push social media giants to crack down on misinformation.

01:03:38.000 For those that aren't familiar, Section 230 is a beautiful law that allows us the ability to use social media platforms without that platform being sued for what we say.

01:03:47.000 On its surface, it makes a lot of sense.

01:03:48.000 If I post something on Twitter under my name, y'all shouldn't be able to sue Twitter for it.

01:03:53.000 This law makes that distinction.

01:03:54.000 However, the law also grants the ability of these platforms to moderate to their heart's content, in which case they effectively create an editorial system by which they can say, we're not banning conservatives.

01:04:08.000 It's just our rules.

01:04:09.000 So they monopolize public discourse.

01:04:11.000 They then start purging conservatives.

01:04:13.000 It creates massive hyperpolarization.

01:04:14.000 It just keeps getting worse.

01:04:16.000 And then we find ourselves here.

01:04:18.000 Joe Biden wants to get rid of Section 230.

01:04:21.000 Donald Trump and many conservatives have been saying, get rid of Section 230, not realizing the law just needs a little bit of reform.

01:04:28.000 The Democrats want to get rid of it because they want to be able to force Facebook to ban whatever they want.

01:04:33.000 You get rid of Section 230, Facebook becomes liable for all of the... for whatever is said that's wrong, for defamation, for even potential criminal negligence.

01:04:45.000 So I'll put it this way.

01:04:46.000 I like to say, hey, don't take medical advice from me.

01:04:49.000 Talk to your doctor.

01:04:50.000 I don't want you to sue me. 1.00

01:04:51.000 Some moron is going to do something dumb and then blame me for it. 0.99

01:04:54.000 I'm not going to tell you to do anything. 1.00

01:04:55.000 You get people like, you know, Ben Shapiro even is telling people to get vaccinated.

01:04:58.000 I'm not going to do that.

01:04:59.000 I'm going to say, go talk to your doctor.

01:05:01.000 Because what if someone says, hey, Tim Poole said to get vaccinated.

01:05:03.000 I went to a bar and I was drunk and I got vaccinated, but I was allergic to it.

01:05:06.000 Nah, I'm not doing that.

01:05:08.000 Joe Biden wants to be able to ban whoever.

01:05:09.000 They're going to take away this law and that's it.

01:05:11.000 That's the end of the internet.

01:05:13.000 I will tell you.

01:05:14.000 One of the most important things that is keeping right-wing populists and conservatives in the culture war is the ability to speak on these platforms.

01:05:21.000 They are trying to take that away by any means necessary.

01:05:24.000 Now, the problem is many of these people on the left can't just outright ban you.

01:05:29.000 They can't just delete Tim Pool and every day TimCast.com is growing and we're adding more writers and we're doing more news.

01:05:35.000 Hey, that's a bad thing if you're trying to culturally homogenize around this, you know, cult ideology of critical race theory.

01:05:44.000 The problem is, they need a reason to ban people, and they have to do it slowly.

01:05:48.000 If you do it too much, you shock everybody.

01:05:49.000 The fog's gotta be blowing in the pot.

01:05:51.000 If they get rid of Section 230, they can just say, it's what Trump wanted.

01:05:56.000 It's what Republicans wanted.

01:05:57.000 And that's it.

01:05:58.000 Gone.

01:05:59.000 I think the only way that it would make sense, if you got rid of 230, would be to reduce Twitter to a public carrier, in which case it could not ban people, but that's an entirely different argument.

01:06:10.000 You can read guys like Josh Hammer, who's very much a conservative, in maybe more of a traditional sense than I am, and he's kind of suggested this.

01:06:19.000 A common carrier would basically make Twitter into a public transit system.

01:06:25.000 But you're right, though.

01:06:27.000 As far as the Democratic Party is concerned, as far as the Biden administration is concerned, this is what they see as a pathway to pushing people like us off of these channels.

01:06:38.000 I think that's right.

01:06:38.000 It will bring us back to the era of a small handful of channels.

01:06:43.000 And it's already been happening.

01:06:44.000 So one of the things that YouTube has been trying to do specifically, there was a great purge that happened, I think it was last year or the year before, maybe the year before, where they deleted like millions of accounts that were too small, banned them from the Partner Program.

01:06:58.000 They kicked them out of the Partner Program.

01:07:00.000 And what this did was it created an advertising pool that was very much more homogenous.

01:07:07.000 You know, you had a lot of channels that made money off Flat Earth stuff, and so YouTube said, we're getting rid of all that stuff. 0.53

01:07:12.000 Some of it was really dumb, some of it was really bad. 0.99

01:07:14.000 And I know people who believe stupid things from watching dumb videos. 1.00

01:07:17.000 But, you know, individual responsibility, right? 0.99

01:07:19.000 What's happening is YouTube is slowly banning more and more channels.

01:07:22.000 I hear about it every day.

01:07:24.000 Channels getting demonetized and getting banned.

01:07:26.000 Eventually, they're trying to get us to the point where there's only maybe a few hundred channels, and all of their opinions are in alignment, for the most part.

01:07:33.000 You got your approved right-wing opinion and your approved left-wing position, and of course, it's all moving towards the left faster and faster.

01:07:40.000 So, you know, in 10-20 years, potentially, the right-wing opinion will be a leftist opinion today.

01:07:45.000 Many have made that joke.

01:07:47.000 That's what they're able to do because of the lax rules of Section 230.

01:07:52.000 They can effectively editorialize the same way New York Times will, making money off the content and then assuming no responsibility for it.

01:08:00.000 YouTube did something interesting a while back.

01:08:01.000 They changed their pay structure to be royalties.

01:08:04.000 And I think the reason they did that was because of the potential argument that you could say, no, YouTube is effectively employing these people.

01:08:12.000 There was an attempt to unionize.

01:08:14.000 This happened in, I think, Europe, YouTube unionization.

01:08:17.000 There were many on the left trying to argue that YouTubers were no different than Uber drivers.

01:08:21.000 They were de facto employees who deserved rights.

01:08:23.000 Then all of a sudden, YouTube says, no, we're paying you royalties for your content.

01:08:27.000 That way, well, now you can't argue that YouTube is publishing the content.

01:08:31.000 You can't argue that YouTube's employing these people.

01:08:34.000 And once again, YouTube is now able to editorialize and manipulate people.

01:08:38.000 And the creepiest thing about it is, there's a small handful of people at the top of these companies. 1.00

01:08:42.000 They're as dumb as a box of rocks. 0.99

01:08:44.000 They might be good at selling software or programming, but they do not have the cognitive faculties required to govern billions of people. 1.00

01:08:50.000 This ultimate problem is that those people change.

01:08:53.000 You know, Larry and Sergey bailed.

01:08:54.000 Susan Wojcicki didn't exist in this arena 10 years ago, 12 years ago, when Chad Hurley built YouTube before Google bought it and then changed the ownership again.

01:09:03.000 Jeff Bezos just left Amazon.

01:09:05.000 He just stepped down.

01:09:07.000 Jack Dorsey owns like 5% of Twitter.

01:09:08.000 He doesn't run that company anymore.

01:09:10.000 He doesn't.

01:09:10.000 He's a figurehead.

01:09:12.000 Yeah.

01:09:13.000 Which, it's basically a different company.

01:09:16.000 But it has the same name.

01:09:18.000 I think that should be illegal.

01:09:20.000 I think in the future, when a company gets sold, it should have to change its name.

01:09:24.000 It used to be that corporations were temporary, I'm pretty sure.

01:09:27.000 Corporations formed for the express purpose of a mission, and they finished it, and then they broke apart.

01:09:31.000 But I'm not entirely sure.

01:09:33.000 Oh, maybe.

01:09:33.000 companies kind of existed because people with power had access to resources.

01:09:36.000 And if you did, then you could grant that to somebody.

01:09:38.000 And so somebody would agree to follow you.

01:09:40.000 And then I think what was the what was it for?

01:09:41.000 Was the Brooklyn Bridge the first corporation?

01:09:44.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:09:44.000 It could be wrong.

01:09:45.000 Yeah.

01:09:46.000 I think we need some sort of like specific law that organizes only around social

01:09:51.000 media.

01:09:53.000 And I've been waiting for someone to do it.

01:09:56.000 And then Joe Biden becomes president.

01:09:57.000 He's not the guy.

01:10:00.000 Will Chamberlain.

01:10:01.000 He's the guy.

01:10:01.000 People like Will.

01:10:02.000 We need to organize some sort of... Maybe we have to be the ones just to get creative.

01:10:07.000 How do you make a law?

01:10:08.000 Do you just have fun?

01:10:09.000 Do you just write a bunch of stuff down?

01:10:14.000 If everybody likes it, then you propose it to the Senate.

01:10:16.000 I was definitely wrong about the Brooklyn Bridge, by the way.

01:10:18.000 Who was the first corporation?

01:10:19.000 No, there was just tons of small corporations by special legislation.

01:10:23.000 Yeah.

01:10:24.000 So I'm, you know, part of working, I co-founded Minds.

01:10:28.000 Are you familiar with Minds.com?

01:10:30.000 It's a social free software.

01:10:31.000 I used it briefly.

01:10:32.000 It's great.

01:10:33.000 And we were working with like the Manila principles was just kind of like an Internet constitution for the 21st century about like free, how you can like, Keep people free on the internet and you know, I'm sitting here looking like an idiot because I don't have all the I don't know I don't know how what the law should be.

01:10:50.000 I mean if we just reform section 230 a little bit to say that they could only ban speech that was deemed to be unlawful by a court.

01:11:00.000 Or actually, they should just be called common carriers.

01:11:02.000 It shouldn't be incumbent upon the company at all.

01:11:05.000 It should literally be an act of law that removes the content.

01:11:09.000 So social media network gets X amount of users per day, becomes a common carrier.

01:11:14.000 Yes.

01:11:15.000 And then it would be like this.

01:11:16.000 You post something on Facebook and then people flag it.

01:11:20.000 They flag it to law enforcement.

01:11:22.000 Law enforcement then comes in and says, OK, we believe this is an incitement or a threat or whatever.

01:11:28.000 There's risks there.

01:11:30.000 I used to be more just like, look, incitement is unlawful speech.

01:11:35.000 Obviously, we don't agree with that.

01:11:36.000 And there are some things you shouldn't say, like instructing someone how to commit a crime and stuff like that.

01:11:40.000 The challenge with that, I suppose, is the slippery slope of, If unlawful speech can be banned, then the government need only declare some speech to be unlawful.

01:11:49.000 Right.

01:11:49.000 So they can say, well, look, you know, hate speech is not free speech.

01:11:53.000 They've been saying that for a long time.

01:11:55.000 So they pass a law saying hate speech is not protected anymore.

01:11:58.000 And so, no, you quite literally can't have a law supersede the Constitution.

01:12:02.000 In which case, that makes a very serious conundrum about laws that are like incitement or direction, because how can those laws be, you know, affecting the First Amendment?

01:12:12.000 Well, to put it simply, Supreme Court precedence is what gave us our understanding of free speech.

01:12:17.000 And it seems like actually free speech has been improving.

01:12:20.000 So there are some questions and challenges there.

01:12:22.000 Ultimately, I'll put it this way.

01:12:23.000 I still think it's a good idea.

01:12:25.000 It can only be banned by an act of law enforcement, by a court.

01:12:27.000 The judges should decide if it violates some kind of, you know, law or is not in the spirit of free speech or something.

01:12:33.000 Should be, I guess, up to the judges to figure out.

01:12:36.000 And the way you send the... Even with those problems.

01:12:37.000 Send the post to quarantine until it's decided?

01:12:39.000 Like, is it... Nope, nope.

01:12:41.000 So if... Say something gets posted that is illegal.

01:12:44.000 It seems very illegal.

01:12:46.000 You flag it.

01:12:47.000 You have to take... Then they get a warrant.

01:12:49.000 But then if it stays up while you're investigating it, that's a problem.

01:12:52.000 No, no it's not.

01:12:53.000 They have to get a warrant.

01:12:54.000 And if it's like posting someone's address and private information when you know they're at risk, they can get a rushed warrant.

01:13:00.000 They do these things all the time.

01:13:02.000 But how long is that going to take?

01:13:03.000 Days?

01:13:04.000 A few hours?

01:13:04.000 Even that's a long time for something to sit up in public view on the internet.

01:13:08.000 Because that could get copied and pasted.

01:13:10.000 When you find illegal content, like for mines for instance, it was immediately removed.

01:13:15.000 And then sent to the FBI or whatever.

01:13:17.000 But there's no leaving it up.

01:13:19.000 You can't do that because then it's just you're culpable for inciting the... You know, admittedly, I guess we're dealing with a different arena outside of just the normal confines of speech.

01:13:27.000 We're talking about people posting photos.

01:13:29.000 Photos and videos and, you know, in that instance... Data.

01:13:34.000 Yeah, like if someone posted a video of a crime taking place, you know, or of themselves committing a crime, then there needs to be the discretion for someone with immediate access to take that down.

01:13:44.000 Or at least quarantine it somehow.

01:13:46.000 The challenge then is you will get people in these companies being like, that's hate speech removed.

01:13:52.000 And then when you're like, you're not allowed to do that, they go, it was an accident.

01:13:56.000 And then it comes back a week later when no one cares anymore.

01:14:00.000 How you solve for that, I do not know.

01:14:02.000 You got to remove the human from the, uh, process.

01:14:05.000 It's, it shouldn't be like, it shouldn't be a trust.

01:14:07.000 There should be no trust.

01:14:08.000 It should be a trustless process.

01:14:10.000 I think it should be, um, it should probably be a warrant issue.

01:14:15.000 Um, I mean, yeah, you talk about a lot of the things you've seen when you were moderating Mines.

01:14:22.000 Imagine if someone took a picture, like one of the most disgusting pictures, don't say what it is, on Mines, and they put it up on their window at their house.

01:14:30.000 Yeah, they go to jail for a lot of this stuff.

01:14:32.000 So if somebody wants to post this stuff on Mines, there should be a warrant, an investigation, and, you know, action taken, but it would have to happen immediately.

01:14:42.000 I suppose you can say that if someone put something up on their window that was objectionable, like, to an extreme degree, the cops would come and immediately arrest the person and take it down, as the crime is visible.

01:14:52.000 But sometimes someone will put something up on someone else's window, and you're like, well, we're not... So it's not about busting the person... How do you... Like, um... Someone will, like, hack into your account?

01:15:03.000 Well, anonymous accounts, for instance.

01:15:05.000 Like, Mines doesn't track people.

01:15:06.000 It's anonymous.

01:15:07.000 So you don't know.

01:15:08.000 You can't go after the individual.

01:15:09.000 You just have to go after the content.

01:15:11.000 I think that's the way social media should function in general.

01:15:13.000 I don't like going after individuals.

01:15:14.000 You just ban the channel if that person wants to start a new channel.

01:15:17.000 Unless it's criminal.

01:15:18.000 If it's criminal and you find out who does it, then they have to face the penalty of law.

01:15:22.000 But I don't think that you should target... Like, if someone does something that violates a term on YouTube, you ban the channel that the term was violated on.

01:15:22.000 Right.

01:15:31.000 You don't block that person from... Or the content.

01:15:34.000 Yeah, you get rid of the content itself and allow the person to, in my opinion, form another channel.

01:15:38.000 And if they don't violate the content again, then they're good to go.

01:15:41.000 We've had an instance here.

01:15:43.000 It was January 6th, actually, we did our show.

01:15:45.000 YouTube disabled our comments in our chat because people in the chat were saying bad things.

01:15:49.000 So they took that down.

01:15:50.000 They didn't give us a strike or anything like that.

01:15:52.000 There are several instances where they said, we will delete videos that do these things without issuing a strike.

01:15:58.000 The idea of issuing a strike is completely broken anyway.

01:16:02.000 You know what strikes on YouTube should be for?

01:16:04.000 Direct, provably egregious acts to violate the rules.

01:16:08.000 The problem is what YouTube does is Someone will, uh, you know, fart, and they'll be like, ah, gotcha!

01:16:15.000 Or someone will say something without intending to break the rules or not realizing it breaks the rules, and then YouTube will be like, we're banning you for saying that thing.

01:16:15.000 You know?

01:16:22.000 Instead of just being like, heads up, you can't say those things.

01:16:25.000 Now that we've warned you, any future instance in which you break this particular rule will result in a removal of that content.

01:16:32.000 If you directly and purposely do this, we'll remove you.

01:16:37.000 So we've had instances, I've had instances where I've had videos removed without getting a strike.

01:16:42.000 And I messaged Google and I was furious.

01:16:46.000 There's a name you can't say on YouTube, so nobody say it.

01:16:49.000 And I got into it with YouTube.

01:16:52.000 I was like, Rand Paul is speaking on the Senate floor and you're telling me I can't report this news.

01:16:57.000 I'll say the news.

01:16:57.000 You know what?

01:16:59.000 Actually, we did this in one of the bonus segments once.

01:17:00.000 I just started saying the name over and over again.

01:17:02.000 I'm like, we can do it on our website.

01:17:04.000 I was gonna change my name to that name.

01:17:05.000 Nope, nope, nope.

01:17:07.000 What would happen?

01:17:07.000 The video just disappears.

01:17:09.000 If I were to change my name to a banned name?

01:17:11.000 They would delete the content.

01:17:13.000 All my content?

01:17:14.000 Like anything I ever tried to do?

01:17:15.000 Anything with that name on it would be gone.

01:17:16.000 What about some poor person that has that same name?

01:17:18.000 Can they just not post online anymore?

01:17:20.000 That's crazy!

01:17:21.000 I've never heard of it before.

01:17:22.000 That's crazy that someone with a word associated with another word that's banned can't communicate.

01:17:29.000 There is a name on Facebook and YouTube.

01:17:32.000 I feel like we are playing with magical fire right now.

01:17:32.000 Not Twitter, by the way.

01:17:35.000 If you say the word on YouTube, they do something special.

01:17:39.000 They don't delete the video in a traditional sense.

01:17:42.000 They don't issue a strike.

01:17:44.000 What happened to me was that the video still was there, but it became, I suppose, a graphic instead of an actual image.

01:17:51.000 So if you go to the YouTube manager, you can see a list of all your videos.

01:17:56.000 If you move the mouse over the picture, the little pointing finger appears.

01:18:00.000 When I reported this story, because it was big breaking news, I didn't even know it got deleted until like a day later.

01:18:07.000 Someone emailed me saying, hey, what happened to your video?

01:18:09.000 And then I went and looked and it was there and I was like, it's still there.

01:18:11.000 It's fine.

01:18:12.000 And then when I moved my mouse over it, no link, no magic pointing finger, just an image, just like they didn't want me to realize it was gone.

01:18:20.000 On Facebook, I posted about the guy's name and the post just vanished instantly.

01:18:26.000 And so I've posted really clever things that I'm trying to test the limits of.

01:18:32.000 The funny thing is, they can't ban you for it because it's not a violation of the rules.

01:18:37.000 There are people who work in these organizations who have the ability to remove the name, and they do.

01:18:43.000 That is so bizarre.

01:18:44.000 I've never heard of this before.

01:18:45.000 Can you write it down and slide it across the table?

01:18:47.000 We'll talk about it for the member segment.

01:18:51.000 So the question of the heads of these organizations or the CEOs who are kind of disengaged from Twitter and whatever.

01:19:02.000 I think it's also interesting because it gets at another problem that conservatives are confronting, and that is that the people who are promoting what conservatives think is socialism also happen to be the CEOs of major corporations.

01:19:18.000 In other words, the most powerful, the most wealthy people in the country don't really have a vested interest in private property anymore.

01:19:26.000 And in fact, when you look at the people who are trying to separate you from home ownership, or car ownership, or firearm ownership, it happens to be organizations like BlackRock, the biggest money manager in the world.

01:19:38.000 It's Amazon.

01:19:39.000 It's Facebook.

01:19:41.000 In other words, the people that are trying to deprive you from your property are the people that we traditionally would call, you know, the dirty capitalist class.

01:19:47.000 And again, I think this is, like the policing issue, this is another issue that conservatives are confronting with which they're very uncomfortable.

01:19:54.000 Because conservatives are the pro-business party, right?

01:19:56.000 They're the capitalist party, the free market party.

01:20:00.000 And right now, the people at the top of the so-called free market are trying to string them up on a noose.

01:20:08.000 So I think this is very this is a thing that we're I think only in the last year or so have conservatives been forced to confront this problem of call it big capital.

01:20:18.000 You know what I see?

01:20:18.000 You know, you know what?

01:20:20.000 The analogy I have for what's happening is you you you have these these threads all all in front of us and they're being braided into the sacred timeline.

01:20:31.000 We'll use the Loki reference.

01:20:34.000 When we look ahead, there are a lot of variables in these threads that will eventually either become braided into the main line that we're on or fall off, or our timeline.

01:20:43.000 And that is, you look at the potential children issue, right?

01:20:47.000 Conservatives have kids, liberals don't.

01:20:49.000 You look at censorship, you look at school indoctrination, you look at the Democratic Party, you look at the incitement by Joe Biden, screaming civil war.

01:20:55.000 And it's hard to know how much of a role each of these things will play in the development of our society or our timeline.

01:21:04.000 If the Joe Biden thing is more impactful than the school thing, then we may find ourselves splitting into two threads where we ultimately clash.

01:21:12.000 If the schools are more impactful, then we may see moms rising up and get a totally different future. 1.00

01:21:19.000 It's hard.

01:21:20.000 What we can do is we can see the threats, but we don't know how much of an impact they're going to have.

01:21:26.000 So we can talk about a lot of this, but our predictions could be way off.

01:21:28.000 We have more power than we realize.

01:21:32.000 You have massive power.

01:21:34.000 Massive, massive, massive, massive.

01:21:37.000 We're altering the timeline so extremely right now.

01:21:41.000 When you, to spark collective consciousness, to spark like a, like a, what do they call it?

01:21:47.000 When a, when it hits critical mass, it doesn't take much.

01:21:51.000 It just takes, it takes organization of thought.

01:21:54.000 Like I think if, if five, 50,000 people were thinking something at the same moment that other people around the world would start to think it too.

01:22:03.000 I don't know about all that, but I can say that the standalone complex is a very real phenomenon.

01:22:09.000 If a bunch of rich people are all thinking... If at the same time 5,000 wealthy industrialists see a news report on CNN where they say far-right extremism on the internet is destroying the country, Those 5,000 people will be persuaded in some way to take action to alter what was seen in the news report.

01:22:27.000 That's the power of media.

01:22:28.000 Those powerful people will then all start directing money, not by conspiracy, by standalone complex.

01:22:33.000 All acting individually, but in such a way that it appears there was a grand conspiracy.

01:22:37.000 Yeah, the media is like allowing people to think the same thought at the same moment.

01:22:43.000 And that's probably what it's been doing since radio was invented.

01:22:46.000 Yep.

01:22:47.000 No, I think this happened with the media itself.

01:22:51.000 It's funny, the founder of Chronicles, his name was Leopold Tierman, he's one of the two founders, he wrote this essay in the American Scholar in 1976, I think, and the essay is called The Media Shangri-La.

01:23:05.000 And Leopold was sketching what we all know is true today, which is that the media is kind of as an agenda, right?

01:23:13.000 It's no longer really in the business of telling us the truth or merely conveying information to us, but really telling us how to think about information and telling us what the truth actually is.

01:23:25.000 And he says this because Tierman was someone who survived the concentration camps of the Nazis and the Soviets.

01:23:34.000 He was a Polish Jew who survived both types of totalitarianism during World War II.

01:23:40.000 And he immigrated to the United States and then founded Chronicles magazine with another guy named John Howard.

01:23:45.000 And so he's writing, look, in Poland the media said whatever the state told the media to say.

01:23:53.000 And everyone knew this.

01:23:55.000 Everyone in Poland and everyone who was under the heel of the Soviets knew that the media would just regurgitate whatever the party line was.

01:24:03.000 And he said in the United States you have this unique problem that you can really only talk about in generalities where it seems to be that there's this probably uncoordinated, even unconscious effort by the media to kind of cultivate certain narratives and basically appoint themselves as the arbiters of what is and is not true.

01:24:22.000 And this was in the 70s that Leopold was saying that.

01:24:27.000 I mean, it's true.

01:24:28.000 He was very prescient and he saw ahead of it, but this gets back to your point about the standalone thing.

01:24:33.000 I think when you call it a conspiracy, I mean, you might actually be true, but I think it's fair to say that this does actually seem to be a kind of like a...

01:24:41.000 At times almost uncoordinated, right?

01:24:44.000 Which the point is, it makes it very difficult to fight, right?

01:24:48.000 Because what do you do about it?

01:24:52.000 How do you take control of this?

01:24:53.000 I think we're very much seeing, you know, conservatives are trying to hold on to institutions and values that they think make America great and they want to make it better.

01:25:01.000 But the left, as we know it today, is just like fire.

01:25:05.000 It's just consuming and spreading, and it's fairly directionless.

01:25:09.000 You need destructive interference, because if you say, no, don't, stop, that's not gonna solve it.

01:25:16.000 That's the big problem.

01:25:17.000 When people are like, that's bad, I'm anti that, that doesn't work.

01:25:20.000 You need to create something new that distorts and quells the perception of that, so that they're focusing on this now.

01:25:27.000 Yeah, I think that a problem with conservatism in the United States has largely been defined by what it's against.

01:25:33.000 It's against socialism.

01:25:35.000 It's against big government.

01:25:37.000 It's against, you know, whatever.

01:25:39.000 But it has hardly put forward, like, a positive vision of the country.

01:25:44.000 The left, to its credit, is, I think, kind of visionary.

01:25:47.000 The left has tremendous goals that people will laugh at and within five years realize, oh no, it came true.

01:25:53.000 Right.

01:25:54.000 This is like the story of the left is they get laughed at.

01:25:57.000 And then within a few years, it seems like it's every time this happens, it seems to take less and less time.

01:26:03.000 But conservatives will kind of guffaw and laugh and kind of console themselves that they've got facts and logic on their side.

01:26:10.000 And then within five or 10 years, they're living in the reality defined by the left.

01:26:14.000 And it's part of that is the fact that they have no positive vision.

01:26:17.000 They basically just are happy with these elegant reprimands of the

01:26:21.000 establishment, of the culture and decline, but they don't ever set forth any alternatives.

01:26:27.000 And when you ask them to, or when you do yourself, they'll be the first ones to pick apart why that wouldn't

01:26:34.000 work, why that would make the government bigger,

01:26:37.000 or why people would just ignore bans on critical race theory and stuff like that.

01:26:40.000 I mean, they do.

01:26:41.000 Right.

01:26:42.000 But I think there are actually ways to enforce these things.

01:26:45.000 I mean, my view on critical race theory is not... I think I'm for bans, but I'm also for actually attacking the institutions that promote these things.

01:26:52.000 This is why I have the idea of eliminating student loan debt by taking it out of university endowments.

01:26:59.000 Yes.

01:26:59.000 Kill two birds with one stone.

01:27:04.000 No, it's totally true.

01:27:05.000 I mean, but also NGOs.

01:27:07.000 I think non-governmental organizations have made a kind of racket out of promoting critical race theory.

01:27:14.000 I think these also shouldn't exist.

01:27:17.000 I want to show this graphic from this cartoon from Political Humor on Reddit.

01:27:22.000 It says, then, and there is some, you know, white man bearded with a confederate shirt, and he says, we must preserve our heritage, and there's like a confederate statue of the flag, and it says, now, and it's the same guy ripping up a piece of paper that says critical race theory, and he says, we must bury our heritage.

01:27:38.000 And then on the blackboard, he's in his school, it says 1921 Tulsa Massacre, and there's a cop writing Lesson Banned.

01:27:46.000 It's almost as on-the-nose as Ben Garrison's comments.

01:27:49.000 And there's sad little kids of varying races looking at him doing it, and the sad black teacher. 0.97

01:27:54.000 And I'm like, the funny thing is, they rely on false arguments in an effort to push back.

01:27:59.000 As if James Lindsay is a confederate.

01:28:02.000 Like Christopher Ruffo.

01:28:03.000 James Lindsay and Christopher Ruffo, the most prominent voices opposing critical race theory, have literally nothing to do with an old white man wearing a confederate flag.

01:28:12.000 Yeah.

01:28:12.000 James Lindsay actually, in a moment of confusion, attacked me as, I think, a promoter of critical race theory.

01:28:17.000 Because I made a joke about how some Latinos are white adjacent, and he attacked me.

01:28:23.000 He attacked me because, I don't know, I think he thought I was a critical race theorist or something.

01:28:28.000 No, you're right.

01:28:30.000 I think Lindsey is one of these guys who's, I think he's just like a liberal, isn't he?

01:28:34.000 Like a classical liberal centric.

01:28:36.000 He's harmless.

01:28:36.000 Traditional.

01:28:37.000 Classical liberalism is more like libertarianism.

01:28:39.000 He's totally harmless. 0.99

01:28:40.000 And yet, because he argued that, look, the logical conclusion of telling people that whites are the root of all evil and are to blame for everything, in the words of Suzanne Sontag, if you know who she is, so that the white race is the cancer of human history. 0.97

01:28:55.000 If you tell this to people, You're going to start seeing an increase in violence against whites, just like you would against any group. 0.97

01:29:03.000 You know, the Kulaks. 1.00

01:29:04.000 Sure, sure.

01:29:04.000 But you're also going to see a rise in white racial identitarianism, of which critical race theorists are actively calling for right now.

01:29:11.000 Well, the weird D'Angelo thing.

01:29:13.000 But the point is, is that when Lindsay just made this harmless observation, he was attacked as promoting, like, the white genocide conspiracy theory.

01:29:23.000 Right, right, right, right.

01:29:24.000 But wasn't that by Quillette?

01:29:24.000 That's the weirdest thing.

01:29:26.000 Yeah, Claire Lehman or Lemon, whatever her name is. 0.99

01:29:29.000 Yeah, well, that's become like particularly establishment, pro-establishment, hasn't it?

01:29:33.000 Very strange, right?

01:29:34.000 Yeah, because it's like adjacent to the IDW.

01:29:38.000 But I mean, look, the whole like identitarian thing is, is if you're going to have a society where you have the hispanic caucus and the black caucus and every group is allowed to have an identity and as part of that a sense of dignity like it's okay for me to be black or it's okay for me to be hispanic or whatever and you deny that to whites do you see the problem with this do you see the problem with having a black caucus and hispanic caucus but then you tell white people you're not even allowed to think of yourself in terms of a member of a group

01:30:06.000 Like, it's a kind of problem that creates itself.

01:30:10.000 So I think, I'm not sure who, but somebody rather mainstream, I think Dave Rehboy, made this argument recently, like, look, you literally can't have this society.

01:30:20.000 It will collapse on its own terms.

01:30:22.000 And I agree with that.

01:30:24.000 One thing about critical race theory I've been thinking a lot about is I see this push to ban it, to make it stop, like stop, make it go away.

01:30:30.000 No, no more, no more.

01:30:32.000 That's not going to work because I do agree that we shouldn't be indoctrinating children with a racial theory in school, but we need to educate people about what critical race theory or critical theory is implicitly.

01:30:45.000 If we know what it is, we know what to look out for.

01:30:47.000 Well, hold on.

01:30:49.000 When I grew up, I was told by my teachers classically liberal ideas.

01:30:53.000 I was told not to judge people based on the content of their character or the color of their skin.

01:30:57.000 The schools told kids this, and it was accepted.

01:31:01.000 They said not to be, you know, hateful or homophobic and all that stuff.

01:31:05.000 Today the teachers are saying they want, that the kids should judge people based on the content of their character.

01:31:10.000 I'm sorry, they should judge people based on the color of their skin and not the content of their character.

01:31:13.000 The point is, Even if you say we're banning critical race-applied principles, the teachers still will say these things and still believe these things.

01:31:22.000 That's it.

01:31:22.000 Then they should lose their jobs.

01:31:23.000 In my opinion.

01:31:24.000 Then fire them all. 0.99

01:31:25.000 Every single one of them. 0.78

01:31:27.000 I fully support a ban.

01:31:29.000 I support firing teachers to promote this stuff.

01:31:31.000 I support seizing the endowments.

01:31:32.000 I support destroying NGOs financially.

01:31:36.000 No, no, no, no, no. Now think about when, when, uh, you know, the civil rights movement was happening. It's, this

01:31:42.000 is the, this is the trouble with banning ideologies. Religions can be defined. We know, you know, religion. There was an

01:31:50.000 interesting debate about, uh, intelligent design versus, uh, evolution. And people were like, intelligent design is just

01:31:57.000 religion because it's not in science. The problem is you can easily make something an ideology and then how do you

01:32:03.000 ban it? You tell, do Don't tell the kids to believe things about race.

01:32:05.000 You said racial theory.

01:32:07.000 Well, Martin Luther King Jr.' 's theory on equality was a racial theory.

01:32:13.000 I understand critical race applied principles are very specific and it's a specific ideology, but how do you ban an ideology?

01:32:20.000 How do you separate ideology from public institutions?

01:32:22.000 I don't think you can.

01:32:23.000 You need to educate people about what it is first so that they know.

01:32:26.000 That's a big part of it.

01:32:27.000 It is easy to say we have the 1964 Civil Rights Act and creating racial groups is a violation of Title IX in colleges particularly.

01:32:38.000 I would actually argue that critical race theory is an outgrowth of the civil rights era.

01:32:42.000 And the primary function of CRT today is to explain why disparities have persisted despite the Civil Rights Act.

01:32:50.000 Sure, but Derrick Bell opposed civil rights.

01:32:53.000 Derek Bell was critical of Democrats.

01:32:56.000 I could be wrong, so fetch me on this one, but my understanding is that Bell was operating on the idea that Democrats were effectively taking agency away from black communities and forcing them to coexist underneath.

01:33:12.000 I've got to go through the literature specifically on Bell, but my understanding is Critical race theorists effectively oppose civil rights, and one of the things that I've seen emerge out of the Black Lives Matter movement specifically—this was in, I think, Ferguson and Baltimore—was this idea that segregation was a good thing, and these were black activists saying it. 0.61

01:33:33.000 They believed that before the end of segregation, there were equal and opposite communities in which you had black families, black businesses, black Wall Street.

01:33:41.000 Segregation forced the black community to live underneath the existing white infrastructure, effectively making them second-class citizens. 0.77

01:33:51.000 I'm pretty sure that a lot of those ideas came from Bell.

01:33:54.000 Yeah.

01:33:54.000 And that's why one of the big criticisms of critical race theory is that the goals of critical race theory are to rewind the clock back before the civil rights movement.

01:34:04.000 So that's why you see things like caucusing.

01:34:06.000 They want racial segregation.

01:34:08.000 That's why you see an attempt to repeal California's civil rights provision in their constitution.

01:34:13.000 so that they would have the right to discriminate on the basis of race and other things.

01:34:17.000 It's why you see actions from the left with Harvard.

01:34:20.000 They need the ability to discriminate on the basis of race, which means repealing the 1964 0.74

01:34:24.000 Civil Rights Act.

01:34:25.000 They oppose it, and they always have.

01:34:35.000 And it has done that by basically advantaging and giving every other group except for whites preference and access to different affirmative action programs.

01:34:46.000 In effect, it discriminates against whites.

01:34:47.000 Affirmative action, it's actually been argued, a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, particularly with Harvard.

01:34:47.000 No, no, no.

01:34:55.000 You cannot discriminate on the basis of race.

01:34:58.000 One of the ways they've gotten around this is that the courts ruled, this was particularly recently in Southern California, that so long as you offer up an equal program for other groups, it is not discrimination.

01:35:10.000 Specifically, if there is a women in computers program, And there was a man who sued.

01:35:17.000 They said, is there a men's computer program?

01:35:19.000 OK, it's not discrimination.

01:35:19.000 Yes.

01:35:20.000 The problem with that argument is that that's the argument for bathrooms. 1.00

01:35:25.000 If you're offering up an open bathroom to all, then anyone should be able to use any, you know, I'm sorry, it's if.

01:35:33.000 The problem with that argument is the racial argument.

01:35:36.000 If you're creating, you know, a whites-only or, you know, a blacks-only area, providing free but separate access was one of the critical arguments from the civil rights area that ended segregation.

01:35:46.000 So ultimately, long story short, without getting too complicated, The critical race theorists want segregation.

01:35:52.000 They can't have it so long as the Civil Rights Act says you can't discriminate on the basis of race.

01:35:56.000 So in California they had, I think it was Proposition 6, I could be wrong, where they, maybe it wasn't 6, I'm not sure, where they wanted to remove from their constitution the public civil rights provision that said you cannot discriminate on the basis of race, sex, national origin, religion, in schools, in public contracting and employment.

01:36:16.000 They tried to get rid of that recently.

01:36:18.000 I think just this past November, it failed.

01:36:20.000 Because people of California were like, why would we get rid of our civil rights? 0.96

01:36:24.000 Yeah, I think you can find these examples of these situations where people can successfully, I guess, find recourse against this stuff to the CRA.

01:36:32.000 But I mean, the fact is that affirmative action, things like that, is actually the outgrowth of the CRA. 0.67

01:36:37.000 But that makes no sense.

01:36:39.000 It does when you consider that the provisions of the Civil Rights Act were intended to kind of like We're intended to, let's say, catch blacks up and other, initially blacks, but the provisions ended up extending to, uh, to homosexuals, to immigrants, and to women.

01:36:54.000 But the reason California, the Democrats are arguing they can't implement these programs because of the civil rights provision.

01:37:01.000 I haven't heard that argument.

01:37:02.000 You need to read about the prop.

01:37:04.000 Uh, let me see.

01:37:05.000 My point is, is that you're, you're right.

01:37:06.000 There probably are these instances where people say these things, but generally speaking, the legacy of the civil rights act has been the culture of affirmative action.

01:37:14.000 I think, and it, part of it's confusing because people thought it wasn't prop six.

01:37:19.000 That's that was a road repair.

01:37:20.000 People thought they were going to get this colorblind thing, right?

01:37:24.000 And when you look at, like, the rhetoric of MLK, you also see that.

01:37:28.000 There's the famous quote.

01:37:29.000 Sixteen, maybe it was?

01:37:30.000 The famous quote, judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin.

01:37:33.000 But MLK explicitly supported affirmative action programs.

01:37:36.000 He saw no contradiction between something like the Civil Rights Act and affirmative action.

01:37:42.000 I was wrong.

01:37:42.000 16.

01:37:43.000 It was Proposition 16.

01:37:45.000 Proposition 6 was like the Roads Repairing Act or something like that.

01:37:49.000 Anyway, it's called the Affirmative Action Amendment.

01:37:53.000 Federal-level Democrats started campaigning on behalf of California saying, California should have the right to discriminate on the basis of race in schooling and public jobs for the sake of fixing racial disparities.

01:38:05.000 It got 42%, 42.77% voted yes on Prop 16 in November 3rd, 2020.

01:38:07.000 42 percent, 42.77 voted yes on Prop 16 in November 3rd, 2020.

01:38:14.000 57.23 said no, 9.6 million people said no to Prop 16, keeping California's civil rights

01:38:22.000 provision in their constitution, making affirmative action unconstitutional in California.

01:38:28.000 Yeah, no, I'm not denying that you have this example, but I think you can find plenty of

01:38:33.000 One of the reasons that the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was basically unenforceable was actually because of the Civil Rights Act.

01:38:41.000 Because there was this problem where businesses enforcing the provisions of the Immigration Control and Reform Act would potentially run up into anti-discrimination laws that are part of the Civil Rights Act.

01:38:52.000 So it's like an unintended, well, I think in some ways it's an unintended consequence, but it's the logical conclusion of making anti-bias and anti-discrimination the central principle of your politics is, well, why are we waging this war against discrimination?

01:39:11.000 Well, it's because one group is discriminating against all the rest.

01:39:15.000 And I'll say this too.

01:39:16.000 There's almost no hard principle for anti-discrimination.

01:39:20.000 So when we look at the 1964 Civil Rights Act, we ultimately will just make a personal decision as to where we stop.

01:39:27.000 If we truly believe you can't discriminate against people based on certain immutable characteristics or certain personal characteristics or identities, it goes infinite.

01:39:35.000 Yes, that's right.

01:39:36.000 Furries.

01:39:37.000 New York says gender identity is self-expression, by which, legally, furries would be protected.

01:39:43.000 And so, ultimately, the 1964 Civil Rights Act is really about society and what our social norms are and are willing to accept.

01:39:51.000 We gotta go to Super Chats, because we are running late.

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01:40:05.000 Louis Castagliola says, how many plots and conspiracies supposedly stopped by the FBI would have even gotten that far without instigation by government moles and informants?

01:40:15.000 I guess the answer to that is many of them, if not most.

01:40:20.000 Cecil Rhodes says, FBI fabricating bias investigations.

01:40:25.000 Whoa.

01:40:27.000 All right, let's see.

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01:43:08.000 All right, let's see.

01:43:09.000 Aaron Welbelove says, Ian, for President of the Universe.

01:43:14.000 Well, I don't know if we need one person to run everything anymore.

01:43:17.000 Maybe we can decentralize the power structure. 0.53

01:43:19.000 No, I'm pretty sure that if Ian got a hold of the Infinity Gauntlet, he would be worse than Thanos.

01:43:24.000 Nope, I would be like Adam Warlock, dude.

01:43:25.000 I'd pull a George Washington.

01:43:27.000 Cincinnati's.

01:43:28.000 What is that?

01:43:29.000 Yeah, Cincinnati's.

01:43:30.000 Adam Warlock, he got a hold in the comic book, which is the real Infinity Gauntlet story.

01:43:36.000 He got the gauntlet and then he gave the gems to the Infinity Watch to take them and then spread out across the universe.

01:43:42.000 Nope, you'd be a Zealdor. 1.00

01:43:44.000 I don't think so.

01:43:45.000 I'm ready to pull a George Washington on this world.

01:43:46.000 You'd be looking at the glove, and I'd be like, do it Ian!

01:43:49.000 Take the gems out!

01:43:50.000 Give them to the Watchers! 0.96

01:43:51.000 And you'd go, no.

01:43:54.000 No, you're like Frodo.

01:43:55.000 I'm like, no Tim!

01:43:56.000 No!

01:43:57.000 No!

01:43:58.000 And you're like, it's mine.

01:44:00.000 Oh, mine!

01:44:01.000 I keep thinking, like, are we gonna have a Frodo-Sam moment where you're standing there with the ring and I'm like, throw it in!

01:44:06.000 Nah, you know why I wouldn't, uh, you know what I would do if I had the Infinity Gauntlet?

01:44:10.000 I'd, like, just make, like, weird little things happen that don't really change much.

01:44:13.000 Because what you gotta understand about life, as much as you might not be happy with life, think it's unjust, or want things, you ever play a video game?

01:44:20.000 You ever play, like, you know, and you put in the cheat codes?

01:44:23.000 You get so bored so fast.

01:44:25.000 Like, it's a fun novelty for a few minutes, where you're playing Mario with infinite, you know, leaf or whatever, or P-Wing in Mario 3, and you can't die, you got Game Genie on, or you're playing, you know, let's say Fallout, or some console game and using console commands.

01:44:39.000 It's fun for a second when you, like, make, you know, I play Fallout 3 and I'm like, make my dude 80 feet tall and I'm running around and, you know, make him run super speed, and then eventually I'm like, meh.

01:44:48.000 I once set up a private server, uh, or no, no, I didn't.

01:44:51.000 Somebody set up a private server on Warcraft.

01:44:52.000 We went on and they gave us GM commands and I was like, this is so cool.

01:44:56.000 We're teleporting and we're like shooting through the air. 0.98

01:44:59.000 And then I was like, this is dumb. 0.85

01:45:00.000 So you think that people that are running the world, if there is such a thing, a deep state or whatever, do you think that they've also become disillusioned, bored with everything and now they're just. 0.96

01:45:08.000 I mean, that's why they probably resort to profound depths of generosity like Jeff Epstein.

01:45:13.000 I really think that's the thing, that once you become that wealthy and that powerful, you can only feel something when you engage in some kind of depraved act.

01:45:22.000 Yeah, I don't want that level of desensitization.

01:45:26.000 Did you guys hear the Democrats are planning to make women register for the draft?

01:45:30.000 I did not.

01:45:30.000 Draft Our Daughters, that alt-right meme.

01:45:33.000 I wrote about Ricky Vaughan.

01:45:34.000 Do you know who he is?

01:45:36.000 No.

01:45:36.000 Oh yeah, I vaguely remember.

01:45:37.000 Right.

01:45:38.000 That was one of his memes, Draft Our Daughters. 0.78

01:45:41.000 Well, it's real now.

01:45:42.000 Supreme Court said it got sued.

01:45:44.000 They said it was incumbent upon Congress.

01:45:47.000 And now a Democrat from Rhode Island is saying women should have to register for the I support that. 1.00

01:45:53.000 I support it because it is horrible and it should be taken to its hyper-logical conclusion, which is drafted daughters. 1.00

01:46:00.000 I bring that up, though, because we have this super chat from Hunter Ryan.

01:46:03.000 Female veteran, yes we should register and yes we should be allowed any job we meet requirements. 1.00

01:46:08.000 New PT test, MOS scale, not gender, check the email.

01:46:12.000 My argument is basically I don't care if you're a man, woman, if you're from this country 1.00

01:46:17.000 or that country, so long as you are a citizen obviously.

01:46:20.000 Well actually I think there are some people who are citizens, who are not citizens who

01:46:23.000 are in the armed forces.

01:46:24.000 Regardless, if you meet the qualifications and you can do the job, I don't care about your identity.

01:46:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:30.000 There you go.

01:46:31.000 So yeah, drafts for everybody.

01:46:34.000 You know, I'll say this, though.

01:46:34.000 Force them all.

01:46:36.000 How much you want to bet you are in favor of the draft?

01:46:40.000 Me personally?

01:46:41.000 Yeah, both of you guys.

01:46:42.000 I'm opposed to both, which would... The draft?

01:46:46.000 I'm opposed to the draft, unless in some kind of tremendous circumstances like an alien invasion.

01:46:52.000 And I mean, my views on...

01:46:55.000 Oh, okay.

01:46:55.000 Well, let's break this down.

01:46:57.000 If somebody broke into your house, would you take up arms to defend your house?

01:47:03.000 Yes.

01:47:04.000 If you got word that Antifa was heading to your neighborhood, to your block where you lived with weapons, and your neighbor said, we need your help.

01:47:13.000 We're going to be standing guard at the front of the street.

01:47:15.000 You need to help us.

01:47:16.000 Would you go and help them?

01:47:17.000 Yeah.

01:47:18.000 So you're being drafted by them?

01:47:20.000 I mean, it depends, I guess.

01:47:23.000 I don't know if you'd call that a draft because it's entirely voluntary.

01:47:27.000 I don't know, I think my opposition to the draft is actually fairly new.

01:47:31.000 For most of my life I supported it, but I guess knowing what I know now about the federal government, I couldn't support a draft for like Iran or something.

01:47:38.000 Right, well that's exactly my point.

01:47:40.000 If you got word that China had invaded the West Coast and seized Seattle, San Francisco, LA, and was basically wiping out and seizing full control, and then a local military called up and said, you have to join. 0.83

01:47:55.000 We need you.

01:47:56.000 This is it.

01:47:57.000 Our country is under attack.

01:47:59.000 Would you be OK with that?

01:48:00.000 Yeah, that's different from Vietnam.

01:48:01.000 Exactly. 0.50

01:48:02.000 And so the problem with the draft is that they're like, hey, we're not at risk, but go blow up those people.

01:48:07.000 And we're like, nah.

01:48:08.000 So the problem is the idea of a draft in defense of a country for truly defending it.

01:48:13.000 I think most people probably would be OK with.

01:48:17.000 The problem is most of our drafts the past 100 years have been like, go to some foreign land where someone who didn't attack us is, you know, we need to attack for some reason.

01:48:26.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:48:27.000 All right.

01:48:27.000 Yeah.

01:48:28.000 Let's read some more.

01:48:30.000 All right, let's see.

01:48:31.000 BangSwitchTickler says, the FBI has always been a corrupt agency. 0.99

01:48:35.000 The legacy of Woodrow Wilson and J. Edgar Hoover lives on to this day in that trash agency. 0.99

01:48:39.000 Oof.

01:48:41.000 John Tarwood says, I'm excited to see how many registered voters used California's Capitol building's address to vote.

01:48:47.000 Oh.

01:48:49.000 Whoa, just jumped on us.

01:48:52.000 Eric A. says, Abolish the FBI.

01:48:54.000 They've long outlived their original emergency purpose for their creation and they keep finding justifications for their existence and budgets.

01:49:00.000 Abolish the FBI.

01:49:01.000 Accept the X-Files.

01:49:03.000 They can stay.

01:49:04.000 I'm kidding.

01:49:05.000 I think the X-Files are real though, right?

01:49:06.000 It's what they put on things where it's like weird and they don't know what happened.

01:49:09.000 And that's what the basis of the show was.

01:49:09.000 I think they are.

01:49:09.000 Yeah.

01:49:11.000 They were like, well, let's make a show about that.

01:49:14.000 All right.

01:49:16.000 Jonathan Duger says Jewell was a guard of the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.

01:49:20.000 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution named him as a suspect and the FBI was doing everything they could to target him.

01:49:26.000 Jewell died a few years ago without an apology from the AJC.

01:49:30.000 Fake news.

01:49:31.000 Wow.

01:49:33.000 Insert name here says, NorCal here, welcoming a balkanization of Cali.

01:49:37.000 NorCal hasn't considered itself to be the same state as SoCal for some time.

01:49:41.000 P.S.

01:49:41.000 We have 80% of Cali's water supply.

01:49:44.000 Let that water black hole LA turn into a sand pit. 1.00

01:49:48.000 Which it would be.

01:49:49.000 But I believe LA gets a lot of their water from the Colorado River.

01:49:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:49:52.000 Jerks. 0.99

01:49:53.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:49:53.000 Stealing our water. 0.98

01:49:55.000 Yup.

01:49:57.000 OK, let's see.

01:49:59.000 I don't know what that one means.

01:50:00.000 I'm going to skip that one.

01:50:03.000 Jacob Howard says, Can we please call the Capitol Police Biden's stormtroopers?

01:50:08.000 Stormtrooper sounds too cool.

01:50:11.000 Yeah.

01:50:12.000 It's like invoking fun, excitement and Star Wars. 1.00

01:50:16.000 And, you know, no, you know, you got to give them stupid names like silly nannies. 1.00

01:50:21.000 You know, like, you know, like a family guy joke or the whisper, the kid sniffers. 1.00

01:50:26.000 Kid Sniffers.

01:50:27.000 Yeah, Kid Sniffer cops.

01:50:30.000 The capital Kid Sniffers.

01:50:32.000 Yes.

01:50:34.000 You know, that's what they're about.

01:50:35.000 It's fair.

01:50:37.000 Biden's Kid Sniffers.

01:50:38.000 I love it.

01:50:39.000 Kid Sniffers.

01:50:40.000 David Bowyer says, the issue I see is that we live in the United States, which is full of many cultures, whether it be a gamer culture, or a gun culture, or sports culture.

01:50:48.000 So when people say we are losing the culture war, are we really?

01:50:52.000 Yes.

01:50:53.000 So when like, oh man, I love this.

01:50:55.000 I said years ago, I was like, just you wait once they start, once major league sports go woke, because we're seeing it in video games and movies.

01:51:04.000 And then it happened.

01:51:05.000 And then the polls came out and the ratings were sinking and they're just miserable.

01:51:08.000 Because nobody wants to watch woke sports.

01:51:10.000 But I tell you this.

01:51:12.000 It ain't over yet.

01:51:13.000 Just wait.

01:51:14.000 Until they say... Sporting rules are arbitrary.

01:51:18.000 Major league sports should be required to have a certain percentage of female players. 1.00

01:51:23.000 Why not?

01:51:25.000 NBA's rules are made up.

01:51:26.000 We made them up.

01:51:26.000 We could absolutely add a new rule saying at least, you know, half the players in the team gotta be women.

01:51:30.000 I think when you force equality of outcome like that, you cause a lot of tension among the people that you're forcing into the situations.

01:51:37.000 Like, I don't want the male athletes to start hating the female athletes for bringing the team down.

01:51:44.000 And I think that the way to think about the culture war is not, we're losing, it's that we've lost.

01:51:44.000 Yeah.

01:51:50.000 Well, what is the war?

01:51:51.000 What is the goal of the war?

01:51:53.000 The goal of the war is to take control of certain narratives about important issues about race, about gender, about national identity, about American history.

01:52:05.000 And on those categories, I think you can confidently say conservatives have lost.

01:52:10.000 They have no control over these narratives and how to cultivate them and how to direct them.

01:52:15.000 I think that when you start from that position, we've lost.

01:52:18.000 Then you ask yourself, why did we lose?

01:52:20.000 And I think that's the question that we should be asking ourselves.

01:52:22.000 If you're a conservative or, like Tim, a disaffected liberal.

01:52:26.000 All right.

01:52:27.000 Justin Soverin says, I'm skeptical about the Freedom Phone.

01:52:30.000 Look up the Aenom Sting Police sold encrypted phones and tracked crime and made arrests.

01:52:35.000 More Luke, please.

01:52:36.000 Well, you got to tell Luke to come on the show because he's off gallivanting about New Hampshire with his Free State Project.

01:52:42.000 But that's pretty cool anyway, though.

01:52:44.000 Um, the Freedom Phone.

01:52:45.000 I'm going, we're going to, we're going to, you know, we're going to rip the shreds.

01:52:49.000 Yeah.

01:52:49.000 We're going to get a hold of it and we're going to do a bunch of forensic testing.

01:52:52.000 We're going to do, we're going to look for data leakage and things like that.

01:52:54.000 And we're going to see, uh, you know, what's up.

01:52:56.000 And that means we're going to need to get a couple of different versions of them.

01:53:00.000 And then, uh, you know, we got, we're going to have to figure something out, but.

01:53:03.000 I want to genuinely test this to see if it's on the level, because you never know.

01:53:08.000 I mean, this dude, Eric, might be a good dude, but what if, in the manufacturing process, someone, you know, bugs him?

01:53:15.000 Yeah, well, I was, I mean, something I read about them was that their pop, like, this specific model is popular in places like North Korea because they can be, they can basically be accessed by state agents.

01:53:28.000 In other words, not very secure.

01:53:31.000 And I mean, you go to the Freedom Phone website and there's no specs on the phone.

01:53:36.000 And the phone is, in fact, manufactured by... It's a... Umidigi. 0.88

01:53:39.000 Yeah.

01:53:40.000 Which basically mass-produces customizable phones.

01:53:44.000 Well, that's not surprising to me at all, though.

01:53:46.000 Right.

01:53:46.000 If someone's trying to look for a low-cost model to make a phone, they find a company that makes low-cost phones.

01:53:51.000 Right.

01:53:51.000 But it's being marketed as like a revolutionary security thing, which is...

01:53:55.000 So he's got a custom operating system on it.

01:53:58.000 We have to do a forensic analysis to see if his claims are true.

01:54:01.000 Right.

01:54:02.000 But, you know, the smear campaigns against Freedom Phone have been hilarious because they don't actually smear anything about it.

01:54:07.000 They're like, ah, he used the base Chinese phone model.

01:54:09.000 And I was like, OK, what's the operating system?

01:54:11.000 Yeah, well, good for you that you're actually willing to, you know, put it under the knife before you make your criticisms.

01:54:16.000 Well, I mean, what, what, what can you criticize?

01:54:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:19.000 I can be like, you got to put the specs up, bro.

01:54:21.000 Where are the specs at?

01:54:22.000 I think it's going to be, I think it's the, what is it?

01:54:24.000 The something four.

01:54:25.000 It's like a, like they have the five now, 5A out, but it's like the four version four.

01:54:30.000 So I have a feeling it's going to be... They're claiming it's the Umidigi A9.

01:54:32.000 Okay.

01:54:33.000 It'll be like a slightly less technical equality version of what, you know, Google and Apple are making with slightly more security is what my guess is what it's going to be.

01:54:44.000 I think the device is going to work as advertised.

01:54:47.000 I think that's right.

01:54:48.000 Because it would be hilarious.

01:54:51.000 Absolutely hilarious.

01:54:52.000 And I'd love to be the person to dig this up.

01:54:54.000 If I buy a stock Freedom Phone, run some basic forensic analysis and find that it's sending all my information to the FBI. 0.87

01:55:01.000 I'd be like, how dumb was that?

01:55:02.000 And then I'd post it. 0.97

01:55:03.000 Everyone would be like, wow.

01:55:05.000 So there's there's no way you can put out a phone that doesn't do what you're saying, because people can just check it.

01:55:09.000 It would be like if someone said, I'm going to sell you a Frisbee and they give you a rock, you'd be like, Dude, this is not a frisbee.

01:55:16.000 It does not glide.

01:55:17.000 Did you throw it yet?

01:55:18.000 You throw it and then it hits the ground.

01:55:19.000 You're like, I can clearly tell this thing is not a frisbee.

01:55:22.000 You know, so I guess the difference is it would be like, you know, trying to buy a baseball bat and they sell you a wiffle bat.

01:55:27.000 You know, you look at it from a distance and you might be like, that's a bat.

01:55:29.000 Then you pick it up and you go, wait a minute.

01:55:31.000 The moment you hold it, you're like, what?

01:55:32.000 So maybe it's not as good as they say it is, and it won't do as advertised, and the guy will make a bunch of money.

01:55:38.000 And people will probably get refunds, so we'll see.

01:55:41.000 I don't think he's doing it for the money.

01:55:42.000 He's already severely wealthy.

01:55:44.000 Lewis T says, Ian, you are the cilantro in this guacamole.

01:55:48.000 Thank you, sir.

01:55:49.000 I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

01:55:51.000 I don't like cilantro.

01:55:52.000 Is that a racist comment?

01:55:53.000 Cilantro?

01:55:54.000 It's a natural water filter.

01:55:56.000 I do not like cilantro.

01:55:57.000 I know, that's why I'm here, Tim.

01:55:58.000 But many people do.

01:55:59.000 And people are like, it tastes like soap.

01:56:01.000 And I'm like, I didn't say that.

01:56:02.000 I'm your medicine man.

01:56:03.000 I just don't like it.

01:56:04.000 It does not taste like soap.

01:56:05.000 That's the weirdest thing to me.

01:56:06.000 Like, what soap are you talking about?

01:56:08.000 Cilantro soap.

01:56:09.000 Yeah, I mean, yeah.

01:56:11.000 Maybe we should make that.

01:56:12.000 Because, you know, there's cucumber melon soap.

01:56:14.000 There's lavender soap.

01:56:15.000 Yes, herb soap.

01:56:16.000 And it all just, soap just tastes bitter.

01:56:18.000 Like, you ever get soap in your mouth or something?

01:56:19.000 It's just bitter.

01:56:20.000 Herb.

01:56:20.000 Cilantro does not taste like soap.

01:56:22.000 It just tastes like cilantro.

01:56:23.000 It's very unique and bad.

01:56:24.000 Which Tim doesn't like.

01:56:25.000 There you go.

01:56:25.000 I love cilantro.

01:56:28.000 There's a principle defense of cilantro.

01:56:32.000 I love the medicinal quality of food.

01:56:33.000 I was actually thinking about the Hippocrates quote, let food be thy medicine.

01:56:36.000 And I was like, actually, I posted that meme.

01:56:38.000 At what point will social media networks start to say, this is misinformation about health?

01:56:44.000 And I'm like, what?

01:56:44.000 I'm posting a 2000 year old quote from the father of modern medicine.

01:56:48.000 He was food is your medicine.

01:56:50.000 Probably a bad guy.

01:56:51.000 Christopher Hunt says the left does have kids.

01:56:54.000 Yours.

01:56:55.000 Also Antifa is the outer class brought to you by victory windows, glass and pain.

01:56:59.000 There you go.

01:57:01.000 That's right.

01:57:01.000 They have your kids in schools.

01:57:02.000 That's why the school thinks it's a hot button issue to them.

01:57:05.000 That's why they have to lie about the, these, you know, critical race theory in schools.

01:57:09.000 We're just teaching racism.

01:57:10.000 That's why we have to homeschool them. 1.00

01:57:12.000 That's right.

01:57:13.000 Correct.

01:57:15.000 All right.

01:57:15.000 Let's see.

01:57:18.000 What is this?

01:57:20.000 What does that mean, Harris on BTE?

01:57:21.000 I don't know what that means.

01:57:22.000 I don't know.

01:57:22.000 your website, why am I seeing Harris on BTE instead of your members content? I am effing

01:57:27.000 angry. What does that mean, Harris on BTE? I don't know what that means. I don't know.

01:57:33.000 We're trying to fix the bug. So we'll sort it out. The Scott says, Tim, you want to put social

01:57:39.000 media punishments in the hands of law enforcement.

01:57:41.000 20 minutes ago you said to abolish the police because they're so biased.

01:57:45.000 The only solution is unmonitored free speech.

01:57:48.000 I also mentioned that the abolishing the police thing was twofold.

01:57:51.000 Partly because it's becoming corrupted.

01:57:53.000 It's not actually fulfilling its purpose and we're facing a narco-tyranny. 0.97

01:57:55.000 And the other is that the left, like regular people, would instantly snap to attention if the police went away.

01:58:00.000 But the hands of law enforcement for social media, yes, because I believe if we have a functioning society and we're hoping that it does continue to exist, then the only people should have any way to remove content should be for legal reasons.

01:58:15.000 And I also said it was for the courts, too.

01:58:16.000 So law enforcement, cops, maybe not the same thing.

01:58:18.000 Maybe marshals do it or something.

01:58:19.000 No, what you say is consistent, I think.

01:58:23.000 All right.

01:58:24.000 Let's see, what is this?

01:58:26.000 Derek Lola says, my father and I bonded plenty over watching this show the past year.

01:58:30.000 He passed away last week and I wanted to thank the entire team for providing us a great medium to enjoy together.

01:58:36.000 Derek, I am sorry to hear about your loss, but I'm glad you guys enjoyed the show together and I greatly appreciate your super chat and your viewership.

01:58:43.000 I wish you the best.

01:58:44.000 Thanks for sharing that.

01:58:45.000 Casual Gorilla says, Gorilla, rise up!

01:58:48.000 Oh yeah, AMC stock bounced, you know.

01:58:50.000 I've got some AMC stock.

01:58:52.000 I just, you know, got some and I was like, that's fun.

01:58:54.000 And I just kind of forget about it.

01:58:55.000 I think I bought like one share of AMC stock.

01:58:58.000 You're rich now.

01:59:01.000 Well, if it's going to get as crazy as they think it's going to be, it might end up becoming worth an obscene amount of money.

01:59:05.000 I thought that was hilarious.

01:59:07.000 Like everything about the whole GameStock thing was absolutely fantastic.

01:59:13.000 It's all about it.

01:59:14.000 Antonio Calabrese says, Tim, had to get this in during the Prop 16 talk.

01:59:18.000 Please look at the California map to show which counties voted yes.

01:59:22.000 It is quite telling.

01:59:23.000 It is in the SF and LA area.

01:59:26.000 I'm not surprised.

01:59:27.000 The leftists want segregation.

01:59:30.000 They've wanted it for some time.

01:59:31.000 I experienced it personally at Occupy Wall Street.

01:59:35.000 And the only way they're going to get it, if they can actually discriminate.

01:59:38.000 Mr. Beard says, I ordered a Raspberry Pi from Amazon on Saturday to load a DNS server called PiHole for blocking ads across this whole network.

01:59:47.000 After ordering, I noticed that I also ordered Speechless that got added to my cart by Tim on Friday.

01:59:53.000 Yes!

01:59:53.000 Success!

01:59:55.000 So what had happened is we were doing the show and I said, Alexa, order Speechless by Michael Knowles.

02:00:03.000 No, I just did it again.

02:00:06.000 I listened to the show later that night and it did it again.

02:00:13.000 Oh no, she's gonna order it now.

02:00:15.000 Alexa, stop. 1.00

02:00:18.000 Oh, she's not listening.

02:00:19.000 Stop.

02:00:20.000 Somebody super chatted something. 0.99

02:00:22.000 Shoot it.

02:00:22.000 And then someone super chatted that.

02:00:24.000 With your flintlock pistol.

02:00:25.000 There you go.

02:00:26.000 Somebody super chatted that phrase.

02:00:27.000 I'm not going to say it again.

02:00:28.000 And I was like, oh, this is too good to pass.

02:00:30.000 I'm going to read this super chat.

02:00:32.000 And then, so I went, I was ordering, what was I ordering?

02:00:36.000 I was ordering an incubator for the chickens.

02:00:39.000 And Speechless was in my cart.

02:00:40.000 Oh, look at that.

02:00:42.000 I was like, I already have a signed copy.

02:00:44.000 I'm surprised that you use Alexa.

02:00:45.000 I'm so paranoid that I have like disabled Cortana on my laptop and stuff.

02:00:50.000 Oh, yeah, I got microphones and everything, but you know, my thing is like all of my opinions are recorded and broadcast for the world.

02:00:57.000 It's not a secret, right?

02:00:58.000 Yeah.

02:00:59.000 I was outside in the yard and I was like, Alexa.

02:01:01.000 Alexa, what time is it?

02:01:02.000 I can't do that.

02:01:04.000 I can only imagine that NSA, CIA, FBI, whoever else is spying.

02:01:08.000 They're sitting back and they've got a Slurpee.

02:01:11.000 We don't have to spy on the guy because we just watch his show.

02:01:13.000 We know what he's saying.

02:01:15.000 But then maybe when they spy they get the juicy private vlog details because they know what the vlog is going to be before the vlog goes up.

02:01:23.000 They're like, dude, Ian made bread again.

02:01:25.000 Right. 1.00

02:01:25.000 So the NSA has like early access to your shit. 1.00

02:01:28.000 It's not there, yeah. 0.99

02:01:29.000 They don't even have to set up a site.

02:01:33.000 Um, I can't read the name.

02:01:36.000 Uh, this guy's name is not readable on YouTube.

02:01:39.000 He says, Yes, there is a name that can't be said.

02:01:40.000 I can't confirm or deny that I was involved in making up an erroneous story in an attempt to get Trump impeached.

02:01:44.000 Salty Army is Legion. The salt must flow-ry.

02:01:47.000 Yes, there is a name that can't be said. I'll tell you what, for all the people who don't know the story, here's what's

02:01:52.000 going to happen.

02:01:53.000 I'm so curious.

02:01:55.000 What is this?

02:01:56.000 What?

02:01:56.000 Jim Arreola says, Hey Tim, your most recent members podcast is now showing a Kamala Harris

02:02:01.000 video for nine seconds.

02:02:03.000 We will get that fixed immediately.

02:02:04.000 What?

02:02:05.000 Um, I, I did, I did check all of, I went through everything this morning and everything was

02:02:09.000 fine, but things probably are popping up cause you know, the bugs tried to sneak through

02:02:13.000 for all of those who want to know what this name is.

02:02:16.000 What is this name?

02:02:17.000 What is this name?

02:02:17.000 It's the first thing I'm going to do when we open the members podcast today.

02:02:20.000 I'm just going to say it and then explain it briefly.

02:02:23.000 And, uh, there's a lot of people probably don't know, probably a lot of people who do.

02:02:26.000 And, you know, but I can't, you can't say the name.

02:02:29.000 Am I going to be disappointed that it's like not someone who's super based?

02:02:32.000 Yes.

02:02:32.000 You're gonna be disappointed.

02:02:33.000 It's just, it's just, you know, we, we hear that, you know, communist China is censorship and all this stuff.

02:02:39.000 And I'm like, bro, I can't.

02:02:40.000 You can at least say Mao's name.

02:02:42.000 You can at least say Xi Jinping's name.

02:02:44.000 It's gonna be like Grover Cleveland.

02:02:45.000 Something like that, yeah.

02:02:47.000 Stop trying to guess the name.

02:02:48.000 It reminds me of the Futurama episode where Bender has the code word, that if he says it, the code phrase, he'll blow up.

02:02:54.000 Oh yeah.

02:02:54.000 And they couldn't remove the bomb, so they're like, we just changed the phrase to something you almost never say.

02:02:59.000 So they put a bomb in him, and it goes off when he says the most common phrase, which is, you know, bite my shiny metal A.

02:03:04.000 And then they're like, we couldn't remove the bomb, so we just changed the trigger to a word you almost never say.

02:03:09.000 And then he starts, he's like, oh, is it this?

02:03:11.000 And they're like, Bender, stop trying to guess the word.

02:03:12.000 And he goes, antiquing.

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02:03:34.000 Pedro, you want to shout anything out?

02:03:36.000 Yeah, follow me on Twitter at E-M-E-R-I-T-I-C-U-S and the most of my writing you can find at ChroniclesMagazine.org.

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02:03:59.000 Yeah, right on, man.

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