On today's show, Peter and Ian are joined by Pedro Gonzalez, associate editor of Chronicles, a magazine on American culture, to talk about the right-wing conspiracy theory that the FBI is behind the indictments of conservative activists.
00:00:19.000New information has come out, and you know what?
00:00:22.000I'm not even gonna give you my thoughts.
00:00:23.000I'm gonna give you the thoughts of BuzzFeed News, who analyzed a report on this, saying that this latest information that's come out about this supposed right-wing plot raises questions as to whether or not there would have even been a conspiracy were it not for the FBI, as they had had a hand in every aspect of it.
00:00:47.000Now, BuzzFeed gets extremely close to saying basically the FBI started it, organized the people, set up the meetings, and essentially told people what to do.
00:00:57.000And now many of these defendants are arguing that they were set up.
00:01:03.000Now, how many people are surprised by this?
00:01:05.000How many people commented on my video when I report on this saying, Tim, I bet you it's the FBI and I was too, uh, I don't, I don't think I entertained it enough.
00:01:16.000I'm not, I'm not big on, uh, I guess as much as people try to claim that I predict the future all the time, I, I only see so far.
00:01:23.000So I had a bunch of people commenting, they're like, this reeks of an FBI sting of a setup.
00:01:27.000And this is what the FBI is known for.
00:01:30.000Some people have argued that basically what they do is they find some mentally unwell people, goad them on, set them up, and then say, oh, look what we found!
00:01:37.000And then some person ends up in prison, and they can claim that they did something important.
00:01:41.000And it was, I guess, effective politically for Democrats to say, oh no, look at these right-wing extremists, which helped fuel this fire of the right and the white supremacists and the militias being the most dangerous threat in this country.
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00:03:11.000I don't know But when I saw that you put that on your show, I thought like it's a matter of time before I get on What is Chronicles magazine Oh yeah, so it was founded in 1977 and it has always been this kind of outside, dissident voice, not just in things that are political but also literary.
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00:03:44.000Many of the same arguments in Chronicles that were developed there actually ended up being completely seamless with the Trump movement.
00:03:52.000Rush Limbaugh read an article by a guy named Sam Francis who wrote an article for Chronicles in, I think, the early 90s.
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00:07:21.000I mean, that's a heavy piece of what we're going to talk about.
00:07:24.000It's one thing to make that accusation.
00:07:26.000It's another thing when BuzzFeed News of all outlets comes out and says there are questions as to whether or not there would have even been a conspiracy were it not for the FBI, and then there's questions of law.
00:07:36.000Do you think that federal prosecutors are going to drop this case simply because it's now being exposed by the media?
00:08:42.000When you go on to mention that a long-time government informant helped organize a series of meetings around the country where many of the alleged plotters first met one another, yeah, there wouldn't be without the FBI.
00:09:13.000Trump, Trump didn't say anything anywhere near as, as, as crazy as these people were saying.
00:09:19.000If the FBI goes to somebody that's mentally unstable and puts a gun in their hand and says, encourages them or points them in the direction of someone that they want, like that's, how can you blame that?
00:09:31.000I guess you gotta blame the gunman, but obviously you blame Charles Manson when the other guy went out and stabbed the people.
00:09:37.000They were giving these guys military training.
00:10:14.000If you have these kinds of threats, if you have these kinds of coordinated, very dangerous, highly motivated actors, then you you need the FBI.
00:10:27.000It needs to expand its operations into different aspects of not just public life, but also private life.
00:10:33.000It needs to know more about what Americans are doing so that it can make sure that these things don't happen.
00:10:38.000And the fact that the FBI is, you know, the driving cause of these things happening, well, that's just a little footnote that we don't need to really get into.
00:10:46.000I don't think there's a solution to... I don't think there's an easy solution to corruption.
00:10:53.000You know, I'm thinking about like, okay, what if we didn't have government FBI, right?
00:10:56.000What if we had private investigatory agencies and you hired them instead of having to go and make a petition and cross your fingers, hope they actually look into the case?
00:11:12.000So let's say you're a window repair company and, you know, you're a private company.
00:11:16.000You make money when windows get broken.
00:11:18.000Certainly excited when you hear Antifa's rioting.
00:11:21.000So any individual who is sufficiently corrupt or who has monopolistic power could be susceptible to saying, okay, how can we encourage more riots and support some more of this activism and encourage this stuff?
00:11:31.000Because inadvertently it allows us to sell more windows.
00:11:33.000Actually, Ryan Long had that comedy segment.
00:11:37.000Have you seen that one where it's like Antifa window repair and he's like, we're both simultaneously Antifa and the window repair company.
00:12:40.000No, it gets into this question, like you said, these blurred lines, right, where it's kind of like choice architecture.
00:12:47.000You're laying out all of the instruments and arguments and logistics for doing this.
00:12:52.000And you're also exploiting people who are desperate and angry and maybe mentally unstable.
00:12:59.000And your defense is, well, I just put the gun on the table.
00:13:03.000I don't have any responsibility for what that person did afterwards after I told them to use the gun and how to use it and who they should use it on.
00:14:04.000Like, what are we looking to go forward with?
00:14:07.000Laughing, Fox said his dream was to have quote, have the governor hogtied down on a table for public display the way the DEA agents spread gun seized and drug spread seized guns and drugs across the table like trophies after a big bust.
00:14:20.000Quote, we take the building and then take effing hostages, Fox told Dan.
00:15:00.000He had something like, you know, have politicians make arguments.
00:15:03.000And then as Trump was speaking, the people at the Capitol started pushing the barricades down, fighting with cops, storming their way up to the Capitol and fighting at the front door.
00:15:13.000Donald Trump did not do anything near what this is, but they say, there was a tweet now, I can't, I think it was the Daily Beast, I'm not sure, they were like, Trump's failed attempt to overthrow the government, or like someone, some news outlet tweeted that, like they're just, even the media, they're just continually escalating what really happened on the 6th, like Donald Trump gave a speech where he in no way said, go do this stuff, he was like, peacefully march, and now they've just slowly turned it into something totally different, like the Lincoln Project made this video, Where it's a mishmash of what Trump was saying to make it seem like he was calling for violence.
00:15:46.000I tell you, man, it's dark days ahead, huh?
00:15:48.000Well, there's something related to this.
00:15:50.000So we can say that the Capitol Police failed, right?
00:15:54.000On January 6th, they failed to do their job.
00:15:56.000Some conservatives argue that they facilitated what happened through their failure, however you want to slice it.
00:16:18.000Well, the Capitol Police has a $2 billion budget with which they plan to expand operations outside of the Capitol, first in Florida and California, two of the most populous states, with plans to open field offices across the country.
00:16:32.000They've also borrowed eight, they're called persistent surveillance systems from the U.S.
00:16:36.000The Army is going to train Capitol Police to use these.
00:16:40.000We first deployed this technology in Iraq and Afghanistan to monitor asymmetric threats.
00:16:44.000In other words, we use this technology against insurgents.
00:16:47.000So now Capitol Police, which is supposed to be in the Capitol, is expanding operations across the United States, ostensibly to protect members of Congress.
00:16:55.000And they're also going to be deploying technology that we used against insurgents on Americans in order to... What this stuff does is you can create, I think it's called, pattern of life.
00:17:04.000It allows you to monitor people on a very intimate level to figure out, you know, where they eat, where they sleep, where they go, what their routines are, and things like that.
00:17:24.000No one really seems to have a problem with it, and people are buying the argument that, no, the Capitol Police needs to do this.
00:17:29.000They need to expand operations to these huge states, or actually to as many states as they want, and they also need to deploy military good equipment that we used on insurgents against Americans.
00:17:39.000Mike Cernovich has been tweeting about this, saying that he often hears someone start trying to ramp up the rhetoric and push it towards some kind of direct physical action, and he always shuts them down.
00:17:54.000I keep telling people, you know, peaceful, persuasive, resourceful, that's how you win a culture war, that's how you maintain your country.
00:18:01.000And there's two big problems, and one, conservatives, people on the right, the anti-establishment, the anti-woke, disaffected liberals.
00:18:08.000Well, I'm going to exclude the disaffected liberals.
00:18:11.000Mostly the right, as we've traditionally known it, very weak on culture.
00:18:15.000I mean, you know, people mock the religious conservative movie productions and things like that.
00:18:20.000The Daily Wire is doing a pretty good job getting into this.
00:18:22.000The one big advantage I think conservatives have right now are disaffected liberals, many of whom were in music production and movie production and show production.
00:19:13.000If conservatives and people on the right don't fight back with persuasive resourcefulness,
00:19:18.000With resourcefulness, with persuasion, being peaceful, and building culture, you lose.
00:19:23.000Especially when you see what's going on with the FBI.
00:19:24.000They are looking for any opportunity to take that frustration, turn it into some kind of expressed desire for action, and then lock you up.
00:19:34.000And then it gives them even more justification for indoctrinating kids.
00:20:40.000There's a famous Supreme Court Justice, I can't remember his name, a long time ago, said, do not talk to cops.
00:20:44.000And it's funny, there are a lot of conservatives that seem to think they're very naive about what this country is.
00:20:51.000And it's funny when you see the very heavy back of the blue, like, attitudes kind of waning a little bit with the COVID lockdowns and stuff.
00:21:00.000People are, you know, many people on the right are starting to realize, like, I think, you know what, man?
00:21:08.000But he often says that there is no law so, you know, absurd or disgusting or amoral that a cop would not enforce it.
00:21:15.000Now, that may be a bit extreme, because I certainly think there's many things a cop wouldn't do, to be honest.
00:21:20.000However, the Proud Boys versus Antifa was a really good example of this.
00:21:24.000That they got into a fight because Antifa had been harassing patrons, one guy gets robbed, and then finally the Proud Boys are like, alright, you wanna fight?
00:21:33.000A lot of people see the Proud Boys run towards Antifa.
00:21:35.000But Antifa had been basically at every corner following them, and as much as they keep trying to walk away, they see Antifa at every corner.
00:21:43.000Eventually, the Proud Boys decide they're going to engage.
00:22:08.000Yeah, no, this is, I think you're right, this is a kind of eye-opening moment where basically what we've seen for the last year or so is this kind of a narco-tyranny where you're right, conservatives are right to say that there's this effort to kind of defang the police or at least get them to back off of policing a certain kind of crime and a certain kind of criminal.
00:22:29.000But that doesn't mean that they're actually de-policing.
00:22:31.000They're just focusing more on enforcing things like mask mandates or, like you said, arresting Proud Boys and people like that.
00:22:38.000A good example is this guy Jonathan Pentland.
00:22:41.000He's a drill instructor at a base in the South, the specific state of Louisiana right now.
00:22:48.000But basically, this guy got into a confrontation with a suspect who happened to be black.
00:22:54.000This guy was like a repeat offender in the neighborhood.
00:22:57.000What you didn't hear from the stories that broke was that this guy had repeatedly come into this neighborhood and harassed people and specifically had grabbed young women.
00:23:20.000They knew that he was walking about, but the argument was, we didn't want to make him a statistic.
00:23:25.000So when people would report him to us, we would kind of slap him on the wrist and let him go, and he would go back into this community and harass people.
00:23:31.000So one day, a woman goes and gets this guy, Jonathan Pentland, and says he's back, you know, do something about it.
00:23:37.000And he goes and confronts the guy, and I don't know if you saw the video, but it goes viral, he says you're in the wrong neighborhood.
00:23:42.000He's really confrontational, for right reason, because there was things that happened leading up to that.
00:23:47.000The police absolutely destroyed Jonathan Pentland's life.
00:24:05.000And he was just like a middle-aged guy who saw someone harassing women.
00:24:10.000Doing the job that cops wouldn't do because the cops were more concerned with avoiding the stigma of being called racist and doing their jobs.
00:24:17.000This is the perfect example of why I have been saying abolish the police.
00:24:22.000And it is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but not completely.
00:24:25.000The point I'm trying to make is, if we are really moving into this era where the police know we can't go after anybody who might be defended by the left because we don't want to deal with it and we'll lose our budgets, but we can arrest anybody on the right all day and night and get praised for it, then what do you think is going to happen?
00:24:42.000In this instance, the cops, they knew.
00:24:46.000They don't care about this guy, John Petlin's life, who seemed to be, according to this story, a regular guy who was like, these young women in my neighborhood are being harassed by this guy, I'm gonna make it stop.
00:24:56.000And I watched that video and I'm like, what did the guy really do?
00:24:59.000He like, got up to him and said, back off, back off, get out of here, and pushed him.
00:25:03.000Push, pushed him when he was walking towards his wife, which was actually the thing that the police, the sheriff, uh, the, I don't know, the sheriff chief, whatever said, that's, that's like the evidence right there for, for ruining this guy's life is the fact that he, he shoved him.
00:25:17.000What of course, but you see in that video is that the guy starts approaching his wife.
00:25:20.000He's, he's like, he's, his wife says something to him and the guy starts walking towards him and steps on his property.
00:25:26.000And that's when he shoves him and says, that's my wife.
00:25:28.000And that's when the cops were like, that's, that's where he crossed the line when he shoved the guy.
00:25:31.000You're saying like the cops ruin a Activists.
00:25:57.000You know, there's this outrage in the community about this racist white man who's telling like a young black man he's in the wrong neighborhood.
00:26:04.000And so so the police went back and said, oh, we have new evidence that shows that, you know, he shoved him.
00:26:32.000Like I said, the HOA, the police, the military, the media, as far as these entities that I just named are concerned, this guy is a vile racist who does not belong in polite society.
00:26:44.000This is like, they say often that history doesn't repeat but it rhymes, you know, that phrase, but this is just such a great example of banishment, and how banishment has kind of come back around now, and now we have this social banishment, ostracization.
00:26:58.000Conservatives need to call the bluff of the left.
00:27:01.000They need to call the bluff and say, we hereby believe all cops should be abolished, and there's two reasons for it.
00:27:43.000I've had leftists tweet like, Jim Poole only wants to abolish the police because he knows when the police are gone, the leftists will get really angry, or he thinks they will.
00:28:05.000Conservatives can sit here all day and night and say, if we don't stop the tide from, the floodwaters from rising, if we don't put up sandbags, we will drown.
00:28:15.000And people are sitting there just like, I don't care.
00:29:35.000We have seen on numerous occasions, that's three examples right now, that if Black Lives Matter comes to your home, and I said this before this guy got arrested, I said it's only a matter of time before Black Lives Matter will show up to your house, And the cops will look around and say, it is easier to arrest the homeowner than to deal with a riot.
00:29:54.000And they will arrest you, who did nothing wrong in your own home.
00:30:08.000It's interesting because Antifa, or let's call them black blocks, these thugs, right?
00:30:13.000They think of themselves as these kind of revolutionary revolutionaries.
00:30:17.000But in many ways, they're basically just state-sanctioned thugs.
00:30:21.000And in that sense, I think of Lumpenproletariat, which was this term Marx used to describe people without any real sense of class consciousness.
00:30:53.000So ultimately, what they end up being is tools of reactionary
00:30:58.000And what he means by that is these are people who think that they're involved in something important, but they're not.
00:31:03.000They're just being used by the state as kind of like, you know, like I said, state-sanctioned thugs.
00:31:08.000Or, I mean, On the other hand, what Antifa does, Antifa window repair, this is great for the biggest, most powerful corporations in this country.
00:31:19.000It's great for Amazon when the small brick-and-mortar business gets burned to the ground by Antifa.
00:31:24.000It's great for Walmart when the small shop gets destroyed and incinerated during riots.
00:31:30.000Jeff Bezos, at the same time that these riots were happening last year, and people were having their livelihoods eradicated, Jeff Bezos increased his worth by $13 billion in a single day.
00:31:43.000And the reason for that is partly due to the fact that you could still buy from Amazon, but you couldn't go to the local mom-and-pop shop.
00:31:49.000Big box stores were given special exemptions.
00:31:51.000We saw this in Michigan, where like a local, I can't remember what it was, I think it was like a flowers and plant shop was shut down, but then the gardening area of Walmart is left open.
00:32:00.000So they say, whoa, but Walmart sells food.
00:32:02.000And a lot of people said, okay, should I sell loaves of bread at my hobby shop so I can stay open?
00:32:07.000Well, that's the game that was being played.
00:32:30.000Your business is shut down because a little old grandma walking in to buy milk could cause the apocalypse, but 2,000 people shoulder-to-shoulder marching through New York gets a round of applause from the doctors.
00:32:41.000We see those stupid propaganda photos where the nurse is, like, standing in front of the car, and the woman in the car is saying, like, you know, honk for freedom or something.
00:32:49.000And then all the people on the internet are like, look at these brave nurses fighting for us, stopping these stupid anti-lockdown protesters.
00:32:56.000People marching through New York, thousands, and nurses and doctors walk outside and start clapping for them.
00:33:02.000And when questioned, they said, but racism is the real public health crisis.
00:33:06.000I mean, this is another example of going back to this discussion about the FBI and the Capitol Police using these fabricated threats or these exaggerated threats to justify their budgets and their operations.
00:33:17.000The CDC declared recently racism as a public health threat, and they tied it to the need for more funding.
00:33:24.000I love it when the cops all took a knee at these protests.
00:35:07.000This is from Newsweek reporting on a press release from Capitol Police.
00:35:09.000Throughout the last six months, the U.S.
00:35:11.000Capitol Police has been working around the clock with our congressional stakeholders to support our officers, enhance security around the Capitol complex, and pivot towards an intelligence-based protective agency, the department said in a news release on Tuesday.
00:35:26.000So California, Florida, planning offices around the country.
00:35:30.000Like you were mentioning earlier, Ian, the Mark Twain quote, history doesn't repeat it rhymes.
00:35:36.000We look back at the easiest example of authoritarianism that is overused by millions of people, World War II Germany, the burning of the Reichstag.
00:35:46.000Yeah, and then you had the Enabling Act, and then all of a sudden these sweeping laws were enacted.
00:35:51.000Opponents of the party were being rounded up.
00:35:55.000You know, look, a lot of people want to say things like, it can't happen here, right?
00:36:01.000Even BuzzFeed is now saying that this Whitmer plot may not even have happened were it not for the FBI.
00:36:06.000And I think that's an actually unfair assessment.
00:36:09.000I think the fair assessment is it would not have happened were it not for the FBI.
00:36:13.000We're looking at the Capitol Police in response to 1-6.
00:36:15.000We get these news outlets tweeting, Donald Trump's failed attempt to overthrow the government.
00:36:21.000Like, they're just using the most psychotic language.
00:36:24.000And now we have the law enforcement apparatus being constructed.
00:36:27.000Am I supposed to sit here and assume this is not going to be like every past authoritarian regime that has used a crisis to create an ideological law enforcement force?
00:36:36.000Or do I see them screaming of the insurrection and then expanding Capitol Police nationwide and think to myself, this is a federal police force that is going to be acting like an intelligence-based protective agency How long until they start going after material support for the insurrectionists?
00:36:53.000How long until they start going after the incitement of the insurrectionists?
00:37:00.000In Michigan, Whitmer State, you have the Attorney General, I think Dana Nestle is her name, and Republicans supported this, by the way, but there's now an effort to investigate people who are fundraising on what they, on what A.G.
00:37:14.000Nestle says are false claims about the election being stolen.
00:37:18.000In effect, this could criminalize fundraising efforts to secure an independent election audit in Michigan.
00:37:25.000This is a grassroots movement that the Attorney General is talking about potentially criminalizing.
00:37:30.000So what they're basically trying to argue is that if you fundraise off of it, it's fraud.
00:40:07.000How funny would it be if just all the populist right conservatives just started saying, we all agree now, abolish the police is the right move, we were wrong.
00:40:16.000Like, the establishment left would flip so quickly.
00:40:39.000Because he, like you, he thinks that the police are no longer actually doing their job, they're no longer actually protecting us from crime, from violent crime.
00:40:48.000They're in fact now just kind of acting as the enforcement arm of the Democratic Party.
00:40:51.000It's because I think, for one, I've talked to a lot of cops.
00:40:55.000I've gotten emails from a lot of cops.
00:41:01.000And now what's left are these like, you know, a lot of people who are scared to lose their job and a lot of cops who aren't actually doing any work.
00:41:08.000So, to those guys, I'm kind of like, well, you know, I guess.
00:41:12.000When you're taking taxpayer money and doing nothing, it's kind of a problem.
00:41:14.000But, uh, it's better than enforcing unjust laws.
00:41:17.000But you do have a lot of cops who are just like, I don't care.
00:41:22.000I'll arrest anybody that my boss points the finger at.
00:41:25.000There was that video in, um, I think it was Portland, I'm not sure, where a bunch of Antifa are, like, walking towards a guy yelling at him.
00:41:31.000One guy's got some kind of, like, stick.
00:41:48.000Bro, at a certain point, these conservatives need to realize that the cops are being replaced by Black Lives Matter.
00:41:54.000And it's funny because when I've said before, you know, we should defund or abolish the police, people are like, Tim, then national police will come in and then the feds will control it all.
00:42:03.000And I'm like, dude, The left already has the police.
00:42:28.000Now, I was still willing to be like, okay, we're gonna have an election and we'll see.
00:42:32.000This is the kind of thing that's gonna wake people up and...
00:42:35.000A lot of people did change their minds.
00:42:36.000Trump got a massive amount of more votes, but the Democrats did a lot of things in the lead up to 2020 with, with mail-in voting changes that made it, that gave them huge advantages.
00:42:44.000We saw the article from Time Magazine, and now the police are comprised almost entirely, in my opinion, of people who either don't care, won't work, or actually support Antifa and Black Lives Matter.
00:43:03.000Why is anybody going to be worried about it?
00:43:05.000I guess if you're living in a city and you're a conservative, but then you're giving tax money to these people, so... We gotta act like we're playing the video game of civilization right now, as well as living in the country just chilling.
00:43:16.000We're also communicating to hundreds of thousands of people, creating an archetype of what it can be.
00:43:24.000I don't want to lose local police because the federal police will get stronger and then you do have the SS and like, I don't know.
00:43:31.000So we really should empower local police to do the right thing.
00:43:42.000We see a lot of news articles and make assumptions.
00:43:44.000So I wrote about, in West Virginia, a bunch of sheriff's departments decided that if any really restrictive gun control laws would get passed, the sheriffs would find these different ways to basically not enforce them.
00:43:59.000There was one sheriff, I don't remember his name, but he basically said, I'm gonna deputize every single person.
00:44:03.000That was Virginia, not West Virginia, I'm pretty sure.
00:44:08.000I wrote an article about this for Chronicles.
00:44:10.000And it was really funny because the reporter was like, wait, so you're saying that you're just going to make everyone a deputy?
00:44:15.000And the guy was like, yeah, that's right.
00:44:17.000I'm just going to give everyone a badge.
00:44:18.000And then that way, the gun control laws won't apply to them.
00:44:21.000So there are these good people on the local level.
00:44:23.000But still, I think what you're ultimately talking about here is this kind of attitudinal disposition that conservatives have, where they still feel a kind of Call it blind loyalty to institutions that either no longer exists or are actually hostile to them.
00:44:41.000And that, broadly speaking, that institution is the law enforcement apparatus.
00:44:45.000This is a very uncomfortable place for conservatives.
00:44:48.000Conservatives are the law and order people.
00:44:50.000They're the people that, you know, that they respect the police.
00:44:53.000They're the ones that follow the rules.
00:44:54.000They respect hierarchies, whether or not they'll admit it.
00:44:58.000And now they're in a position where they're at the bottom of the food chain.
00:45:02.000And they're being actively persecuted by the institutions and by the people that they think are going to save them.
00:45:09.000I mean, there's a common thing that conservatives say is, you know, as bad as things get, the military is going to have our back.
00:46:05.000And, you know, we've talked about this a bit in the past several episodes,
00:46:08.000but I want to add something to this idea.
00:46:10.000Joe Biden's only saying these things that paint half the country as enemies of the state because he's confident that in the coming years, this group of people will be figuratively eradicated.
00:46:25.000What I mean by that is politically eradicated.
00:46:27.000That they're fractured, they can't organize, they won't win elections, and their opinions are completely meaningless.
00:46:34.000And then it's going to be the overstate or the cathedral that controls everything.
00:46:38.000And you look at what's happened with the police, and I think actually, interestingly, the resistance of conservatives is what's helped convert police departments into woke enforcement agencies.
00:46:49.000When the left started saying, abolish the police and defund the police, and put extreme pressure on the police departments, conservatives stopped the departments from completely going under by pushing back, and then you had this argument over whether or not we really want to abolish police, and it worked out really, really well for the woke.
00:47:04.000Because then, the good cops were like, I'm not going to be a part of this, leave.
00:47:09.000The people who either don't care or are willing to do whatever they're told.
00:47:12.000And then, because conservatives saved the department from being totally abolished, They were able to restock it up with cops who know exactly what these modern political times will bear.
00:47:23.000So now, I would only speculate, you know, we're moving into 2022.
00:47:31.000They're going to be coming after conservatives like you cannot even believe.
00:47:35.000They have already been tweeting things like, if we lose the House, it's all over.
00:47:40.000Yes, their glorious revolution will be all over if Republicans get back the house and can impeach Joe Biden for high crimes and misdemeanors.
00:47:49.000They're going to come after right-wing influencers.
00:47:51.000They're going to come after anti-establishment in any capacity, which includes some anti-war leftist types and people like Jimmy Dore, for instance.
00:47:56.000I don't know if they'll ban him, but they've gone after people in this area who are anti-war, anti-establishment Democrat.
00:48:03.000They're going to try and get rid of anybody who might actually make them look bad.
00:48:08.000If they do it overnight, it'll cause too much of an uproar.
00:48:10.000But they can't afford to lose the House.
00:48:13.000Yeah, I think you're seeing this with Glenn Greenwald, right?
00:48:15.000He's kind of become a bad lefty because he has joined sides with the populist right and talking about how terrible the national security apparatus is.
00:48:32.000But here is something to consider is that I'm not sure that even if Republicans would resume power, like assume power again, It's not clear that it would actually make a difference, because it seems to be the case that Republicans can win elections, but the left will remain in control of institutions.
00:48:50.000And therefore elections are kind of just, they're like respites.
00:49:01.000But ultimately the trajectory of the country does not change.
00:49:04.000If we follow the same trajectory as we did in Trump's first term, that is to say in 2022 Republicans win, but then the Democrats wield the power of the intelligence agencies against conservatives and jams them up, investigates and crushes them.
00:50:05.000You know, there was a tweet, I think, I can't remember where I saw this, maybe from Cassandra Fairbanks, that Nickelodeon or Disney Channel was playing anti-Trump ads.
00:50:36.000And you gotta figure out what these kids are thinking, and I'm sure the Democrats are doing exactly that, and that's why schools are indoctrinating them.
00:50:42.000Cause what's gonna happen is, you are gonna get some classically liberal leftist, and I mean it, actual like lefty individual, who, well I shouldn't say classically liberal, we'll say traditional liberal, agrees with a lot of conservatives, someone similar to maybe like me, they'll run for office, but in three to five years, they'll be considered far right.
00:51:00.000Like we had Vosh on the show and he called me far right, it was hilarious.
00:51:07.000So these 26-year-old lefties on YouTube think 35-year-old Tim Pool, who believes in universal health care and social programs, is far right.
00:51:18.000It means that in 10 more years, or in even three to five years, these young people are going to come up and they're going to see a traditional conservative and think, Nazi.
00:51:28.000And they're going to see moderate liberal and think, far-right conservative.
00:51:33.000If the train goes as it's As it's headed.
00:51:35.000But we, you know, society is not linear.
00:51:49.000I mean, this is already happening, though, right?
00:51:51.000When Glenn Greenwald retweets my stuff or interacts with anything, immediately he's labeled as a crypto-fascist, and then people will screenshot things that I write and be like, this is who Glenn is promoting, this fascist authoritarian stuff.
00:52:18.000Anti-Trump ads on Disney is like a good day for Disney, considering all the other smut that they write, that they run for children.
00:52:25.000And I think this this kind of gets the issue of like critical race theory, where I really appreciate the work.
00:52:31.000Christopher Rufo is like a national treasure.
00:52:34.000But I think he has shown that Critical race theory goes so much deeper than anyone really thought it did.
00:52:43.000And it has already infected every single cultural and social tissue that the task of extirpating critical race theory is actually much bigger and much more daunting than I think anyone had imagined before Rufo came on the scene and started showing people how pervasive this stuff is.
00:53:04.000Yeah, I wanna, uh... Well, actually, we'll jump in in a second.
00:53:10.000Conservatives need to start producing culture, you know?
00:53:12.000I guess... I was trying to look something up and just... We'll pull that up in a second.
00:53:16.000If... There is something interesting that we saw with Pew Research, and that is that the previous generation is slightly more conservative... I'm sorry.
00:53:25.000The Gen Z is a little bit more conservative than Millennials, but only a little bit.
00:53:30.000And that probably has a lot to do with the fact that you said, you know, conservatives are outbreeding liberals.
00:54:11.000So, you know, actually, I could be completely wrong.
00:54:13.000You know, we could be 10 years out from a conservative resurgence for a lot of reasons.
00:54:18.000It could be that all of this stuff with police, all of this stuff with the military is freaking out regular people.
00:54:24.000Come August 15th, as Bannon said, we see these In schools, the parents freak out at what their kids are learning.
00:54:31.000And then 10 years goes by, and the millennials are now in their mid to late 40s.
00:54:37.000And then the next generation is actually very woke, but most of the generation actually is more conservative simply by the amount of conservative kids are growing up.
00:54:53.000And as pessimistic and cynical as I am in the short term, I have to be optimistic about the future, about the long term, because I have kids.
00:55:01.000I've got one who's about a year old, and then I've got another one all the way in December.
00:55:05.000And so I have to hold out hope that something like this is going to happen.
00:55:08.000Because the idea of just settling on the notion that the future will be so much more horrible for my kids, it just seems unacceptable to me.
00:55:18.000Look at what AOC and a bunch of these leftists are saying.
00:55:21.000Oh, we can't have kids because of climate change.
00:55:23.000It's like, OK, they're not going to have kids.
00:55:47.000Is this country going to become a bunch of suit-wearing young Republicans?
00:55:51.000A paranoid mind might rebut you by saying, well, this is why Democrats like open borders, because they can import new recruits, so to speak.
00:56:02.000They know they don't have kids, so they gotta take yours.
00:56:05.000One problem I find with conservatism by the label, I guess, is that I think that we need To kind of reintroduce or just enforce some sort of social conservatism in that like, you know, we talk a lot about morality and like not going flying too far off, but we need some like drastic legal liberalism.
00:56:24.000I think we need to take take Liberty with our crappy system and change it.
00:56:53.000You know, I mean, yesterday's conversation was like particularly brutal.
00:56:57.000And we were talking about just With anarcho-tyranny keep coming up, I think anarcho-tyranny is obviously happening.
00:57:06.000It's been happening for some years now.
00:57:08.000And I think that's the easiest way to understand that the system probably already collapsed.
00:57:13.000If you have people who feel like calling the police is pointless, legitimately, not like Black Lives Matter where they're like, oh no, I can't call the cops.
00:57:22.000People legitimately saying, I know they're not going to come here and deal with this riot.
00:57:25.000But then also fearing if the rioters attack your house, you will get arrested.
00:57:50.000They can't have control over what their kids learn in schools and things like that.
00:57:53.000So I guess it seems like the system has failed but it might actually be the case that it's more powerful than ever.
00:57:59.000But on the other hand, historically when regimes become more repressive and more overt in the methods with which they coerce people to behave a certain way and to talk a certain way and think a certain way is usually when they're on the verge of crumbling or instigating a kind of reaction.
00:58:19.000So because really effective systems of control are impersonal and automatic.
00:58:25.000So when you have to start actively policing people, like we're seeing now, the Capitol Police leaving the Capitol, things like that, or the Biden administration talking about monitoring text messages, things like that.
00:58:38.000That stuff, as much as it shows the power and boldness of the established political
00:58:43.000order, it also tells us that it's kind of in this precarious position where it's this
00:58:50.000Yeah, I think about that with text censorship too, because we should have a system I think
00:58:53.000more that's granular where you can choose what you see rather than them choosing what
00:58:58.000The fact that they're in there deciding who gets to say what is like, yeah, they're powerful, but it's also showing how the cracks in their system like.
00:59:35.000On the Joker experience, when I was just like, at the end of the show, I'm like, I'm getting a van.
00:59:39.000And they were like, they started laughing, and I'm like, y'all think I'm joking, but I was like, if you keep doing what you're doing, with this hyper-polarization on Twitter, people are gonna come to a civil war of sorts, they're gonna go after each other, it's gonna be insane.
00:59:51.000So I'm getting that van ready, I'm gonna go bug out.
00:59:53.000And, you know, people were messaging me laughing, saying, ha, it's so funny, I'm like, y'all think I'm joking?
01:00:51.000If I had to- If I had to look- If I looked at what they were doing and someone said, take a look at this system, and the equation, and the map, what is happening?
01:00:59.000I'd say Jack Dorsey wants a civil war.
01:01:02.000Mark Zuckerberg and- and Susan Wojcicki want people to literally attack each other in the streets.
01:01:07.000That's the only thing I can- I can understand from it.
01:01:24.000And to your point, Jeff Bezos literally booting Parler off the internet was probably the stupidest thing he could have done.
01:01:33.000Because what that did, far from killing whatever narrative was being promoted on Parler that he thought was problematic, I think it was related to the January 6th thing, instead it just resulted in more people than ever, especially conservatives, who generally I think would have been opposed to something like antitrust, like taking a hammer and smashing Amazon, are now all for it.
01:02:24.000I think that kind of like the cat's out of the bag and it can only escalate.
01:02:27.000I think you're only going to see this trend toward demands for antitrust action increase, at least from conservatives.
01:02:35.000I think that liberals are probably more opposed to it.
01:02:37.000Sorry, liberals are more opposed to it because They're in power right now.
01:02:42.000These institutions, these corporations, for the most part, they're doing what they want them to do.
01:02:48.000And so, at the same time that you have conservatives pushing for antitrust action, you have people who are on the left saying, well, the thing that Facebook needs to do is not be broken up, but actually just kick conservatives off the platform completely.
01:03:00.000I think Jen Psaki said something recently that if Facebook bans you, you should be banned from all platforms.
01:03:32.000White House is reviewing Section 230 amid efforts to push social media giants to crack down on misinformation.
01:03:38.000For those that aren't familiar, Section 230 is a beautiful law that allows us the ability to use social media platforms without that platform being sued for what we say.
01:03:47.000On its surface, it makes a lot of sense.
01:03:48.000If I post something on Twitter under my name, y'all shouldn't be able to sue Twitter for it.
01:03:54.000However, the law also grants the ability of these platforms to moderate to their heart's content, in which case they effectively create an editorial system by which they can say, we're not banning conservatives.
01:04:18.000Joe Biden wants to get rid of Section 230.
01:04:21.000Donald Trump and many conservatives have been saying, get rid of Section 230, not realizing the law just needs a little bit of reform.
01:04:28.000The Democrats want to get rid of it because they want to be able to force Facebook to ban whatever they want.
01:04:33.000You get rid of Section 230, Facebook becomes liable for all of the... for whatever is said that's wrong, for defamation, for even potential criminal negligence.
01:05:14.000One of the most important things that is keeping right-wing populists and conservatives in the culture war is the ability to speak on these platforms.
01:05:21.000They are trying to take that away by any means necessary.
01:05:24.000Now, the problem is many of these people on the left can't just outright ban you.
01:05:29.000They can't just delete Tim Pool and every day TimCast.com is growing and we're adding more writers and we're doing more news.
01:05:35.000Hey, that's a bad thing if you're trying to culturally homogenize around this, you know, cult ideology of critical race theory.
01:05:44.000The problem is, they need a reason to ban people, and they have to do it slowly.
01:05:48.000If you do it too much, you shock everybody.
01:05:49.000The fog's gotta be blowing in the pot.
01:05:51.000If they get rid of Section 230, they can just say, it's what Trump wanted.
01:05:59.000I think the only way that it would make sense, if you got rid of 230, would be to reduce Twitter to a public carrier, in which case it could not ban people, but that's an entirely different argument.
01:06:10.000You can read guys like Josh Hammer, who's very much a conservative, in maybe more of a traditional sense than I am, and he's kind of suggested this.
01:06:19.000A common carrier would basically make Twitter into a public transit system.
01:06:27.000As far as the Democratic Party is concerned, as far as the Biden administration is concerned, this is what they see as a pathway to pushing people like us off of these channels.
01:06:44.000So one of the things that YouTube has been trying to do specifically, there was a great purge that happened, I think it was last year or the year before, maybe the year before, where they deleted like millions of accounts that were too small, banned them from the Partner Program.
01:06:58.000They kicked them out of the Partner Program.
01:07:00.000And what this did was it created an advertising pool that was very much more homogenous.
01:07:07.000You know, you had a lot of channels that made money off Flat Earth stuff, and so YouTube said, we're getting rid of all that stuff.
01:07:12.000Some of it was really dumb, some of it was really bad.
01:07:14.000And I know people who believe stupid things from watching dumb videos.
01:07:17.000But, you know, individual responsibility, right?
01:07:19.000What's happening is YouTube is slowly banning more and more channels.
01:07:24.000Channels getting demonetized and getting banned.
01:07:26.000Eventually, they're trying to get us to the point where there's only maybe a few hundred channels, and all of their opinions are in alignment, for the most part.
01:07:33.000You got your approved right-wing opinion and your approved left-wing position, and of course, it's all moving towards the left faster and faster.
01:07:40.000So, you know, in 10-20 years, potentially, the right-wing opinion will be a leftist opinion today.
01:07:47.000That's what they're able to do because of the lax rules of Section 230.
01:07:52.000They can effectively editorialize the same way New York Times will, making money off the content and then assuming no responsibility for it.
01:08:00.000YouTube did something interesting a while back.
01:08:01.000They changed their pay structure to be royalties.
01:08:04.000And I think the reason they did that was because of the potential argument that you could say, no, YouTube is effectively employing these people.
01:08:54.000Susan Wojcicki didn't exist in this arena 10 years ago, 12 years ago, when Chad Hurley built YouTube before Google bought it and then changed the ownership again.
01:10:33.000And we were working with like the Manila principles was just kind of like an Internet constitution for the 21st century about like free, how you can like, Keep people free on the internet and you know, I'm sitting here looking like an idiot because I don't have all the I don't know I don't know how what the law should be.
01:10:50.000I mean if we just reform section 230 a little bit to say that they could only ban speech that was deemed to be unlawful by a court.
01:11:00.000Or actually, they should just be called common carriers.
01:11:02.000It shouldn't be incumbent upon the company at all.
01:11:05.000It should literally be an act of law that removes the content.
01:11:09.000So social media network gets X amount of users per day, becomes a common carrier.
01:11:36.000And there are some things you shouldn't say, like instructing someone how to commit a crime and stuff like that.
01:11:40.000The challenge with that, I suppose, is the slippery slope of, If unlawful speech can be banned, then the government need only declare some speech to be unlawful.
01:11:49.000So they can say, well, look, you know, hate speech is not free speech.
01:11:53.000They've been saying that for a long time.
01:11:55.000So they pass a law saying hate speech is not protected anymore.
01:11:58.000And so, no, you quite literally can't have a law supersede the Constitution.
01:12:02.000In which case, that makes a very serious conundrum about laws that are like incitement or direction, because how can those laws be, you know, affecting the First Amendment?
01:12:12.000Well, to put it simply, Supreme Court precedence is what gave us our understanding of free speech.
01:12:17.000And it seems like actually free speech has been improving.
01:12:20.000So there are some questions and challenges there.
01:13:19.000You can't do that because then it's just you're culpable for inciting the... You know, admittedly, I guess we're dealing with a different arena outside of just the normal confines of speech.
01:13:27.000We're talking about people posting photos.
01:13:29.000Photos and videos and, you know, in that instance... Data.
01:13:34.000Yeah, like if someone posted a video of a crime taking place, you know, or of themselves committing a crime, then there needs to be the discretion for someone with immediate access to take that down.
01:14:10.000I think it should be, um, it should probably be a warrant issue.
01:14:15.000Um, I mean, yeah, you talk about a lot of the things you've seen when you were moderating Mines.
01:14:22.000Imagine if someone took a picture, like one of the most disgusting pictures, don't say what it is, on Mines, and they put it up on their window at their house.
01:14:30.000Yeah, they go to jail for a lot of this stuff.
01:14:32.000So if somebody wants to post this stuff on Mines, there should be a warrant, an investigation, and, you know, action taken, but it would have to happen immediately.
01:14:42.000I suppose you can say that if someone put something up on their window that was objectionable, like, to an extreme degree, the cops would come and immediately arrest the person and take it down, as the crime is visible.
01:14:52.000But sometimes someone will put something up on someone else's window, and you're like, well, we're not... So it's not about busting the person... How do you... Like, um... Someone will, like, hack into your account?
01:15:03.000Well, anonymous accounts, for instance.
01:15:18.000If it's criminal and you find out who does it, then they have to face the penalty of law.
01:15:22.000But I don't think that you should target... Like, if someone does something that violates a term on YouTube, you ban the channel that the term was violated on.
01:15:50.000They didn't give us a strike or anything like that.
01:15:52.000There are several instances where they said, we will delete videos that do these things without issuing a strike.
01:15:58.000The idea of issuing a strike is completely broken anyway.
01:16:02.000You know what strikes on YouTube should be for?
01:16:04.000Direct, provably egregious acts to violate the rules.
01:16:08.000The problem is what YouTube does is Someone will, uh, you know, fart, and they'll be like, ah, gotcha!
01:16:15.000Or someone will say something without intending to break the rules or not realizing it breaks the rules, and then YouTube will be like, we're banning you for saying that thing.
01:18:12.000And then when I moved my mouse over it, no link, no magic pointing finger, just an image, just like they didn't want me to realize it was gone.
01:18:20.000On Facebook, I posted about the guy's name and the post just vanished instantly.
01:18:26.000And so I've posted really clever things that I'm trying to test the limits of.
01:18:32.000The funny thing is, they can't ban you for it because it's not a violation of the rules.
01:18:37.000There are people who work in these organizations who have the ability to remove the name, and they do.
01:18:45.000Can you write it down and slide it across the table?
01:18:47.000We'll talk about it for the member segment.
01:18:51.000So the question of the heads of these organizations or the CEOs who are kind of disengaged from Twitter and whatever.
01:19:02.000I think it's also interesting because it gets at another problem that conservatives are confronting, and that is that the people who are promoting what conservatives think is socialism also happen to be the CEOs of major corporations.
01:19:18.000In other words, the most powerful, the most wealthy people in the country don't really have a vested interest in private property anymore.
01:19:26.000And in fact, when you look at the people who are trying to separate you from home ownership, or car ownership, or firearm ownership, it happens to be organizations like BlackRock, the biggest money manager in the world.
01:19:41.000In other words, the people that are trying to deprive you from your property are the people that we traditionally would call, you know, the dirty capitalist class.
01:19:47.000And again, I think this is, like the policing issue, this is another issue that conservatives are confronting with which they're very uncomfortable.
01:19:54.000Because conservatives are the pro-business party, right?
01:19:56.000They're the capitalist party, the free market party.
01:20:00.000And right now, the people at the top of the so-called free market are trying to string them up on a noose.
01:20:08.000So I think this is very this is a thing that we're I think only in the last year or so have conservatives been forced to confront this problem of call it big capital.
01:20:20.000The analogy I have for what's happening is you you you have these these threads all all in front of us and they're being braided into the sacred timeline.
01:20:34.000When we look ahead, there are a lot of variables in these threads that will eventually either become braided into the main line that we're on or fall off, or our timeline.
01:20:43.000And that is, you look at the potential children issue, right?
01:20:47.000Conservatives have kids, liberals don't.
01:20:49.000You look at censorship, you look at school indoctrination, you look at the Democratic Party, you look at the incitement by Joe Biden, screaming civil war.
01:20:55.000And it's hard to know how much of a role each of these things will play in the development of our society or our timeline.
01:21:04.000If the Joe Biden thing is more impactful than the school thing, then we may find ourselves splitting into two threads where we ultimately clash.
01:21:12.000If the schools are more impactful, then we may see moms rising up and get a totally different future.
01:21:37.000We're altering the timeline so extremely right now.
01:21:41.000When you, to spark collective consciousness, to spark like a, like a, what do they call it?
01:21:47.000When a, when it hits critical mass, it doesn't take much.
01:21:51.000It just takes, it takes organization of thought.
01:21:54.000Like I think if, if five, 50,000 people were thinking something at the same moment that other people around the world would start to think it too.
01:22:03.000I don't know about all that, but I can say that the standalone complex is a very real phenomenon.
01:22:09.000If a bunch of rich people are all thinking... If at the same time 5,000 wealthy industrialists see a news report on CNN where they say far-right extremism on the internet is destroying the country, Those 5,000 people will be persuaded in some way to take action to alter what was seen in the news report.
01:22:47.000No, I think this happened with the media itself.
01:22:51.000It's funny, the founder of Chronicles, his name was Leopold Tierman, he's one of the two founders, he wrote this essay in the American Scholar in 1976, I think, and the essay is called The Media Shangri-La.
01:23:05.000And Leopold was sketching what we all know is true today, which is that the media is kind of as an agenda, right?
01:23:13.000It's no longer really in the business of telling us the truth or merely conveying information to us, but really telling us how to think about information and telling us what the truth actually is.
01:23:25.000And he says this because Tierman was someone who survived the concentration camps of the Nazis and the Soviets.
01:23:34.000He was a Polish Jew who survived both types of totalitarianism during World War II.
01:23:40.000And he immigrated to the United States and then founded Chronicles magazine with another guy named John Howard.
01:23:45.000And so he's writing, look, in Poland the media said whatever the state told the media to say.
01:23:55.000Everyone in Poland and everyone who was under the heel of the Soviets knew that the media would just regurgitate whatever the party line was.
01:24:03.000And he said in the United States you have this unique problem that you can really only talk about in generalities where it seems to be that there's this probably uncoordinated, even unconscious effort by the media to kind of cultivate certain narratives and basically appoint themselves as the arbiters of what is and is not true.
01:24:22.000And this was in the 70s that Leopold was saying that.
01:24:28.000He was very prescient and he saw ahead of it, but this gets back to your point about the standalone thing.
01:24:33.000I think when you call it a conspiracy, I mean, you might actually be true, but I think it's fair to say that this does actually seem to be a kind of like a...
01:24:53.000I think we're very much seeing, you know, conservatives are trying to hold on to institutions and values that they think make America great and they want to make it better.
01:25:01.000But the left, as we know it today, is just like fire.
01:25:05.000It's just consuming and spreading, and it's fairly directionless.
01:25:09.000You need destructive interference, because if you say, no, don't, stop, that's not gonna solve it.
01:26:42.000But I think there are actually ways to enforce these things.
01:26:45.000I mean, my view on critical race theory is not... I think I'm for bans, but I'm also for actually attacking the institutions that promote these things.
01:26:52.000This is why I have the idea of eliminating student loan debt by taking it out of university endowments.
01:27:17.000I want to show this graphic from this cartoon from Political Humor on Reddit.
01:27:22.000It says, then, and there is some, you know, white man bearded with a confederate shirt, and he says, we must preserve our heritage, and there's like a confederate statue of the flag, and it says, now, and it's the same guy ripping up a piece of paper that says critical race theory, and he says, we must bury our heritage.
01:27:38.000And then on the blackboard, he's in his school, it says 1921 Tulsa Massacre, and there's a cop writing Lesson Banned.
01:27:46.000It's almost as on-the-nose as Ben Garrison's comments.
01:27:49.000And there's sad little kids of varying races looking at him doing it, and the sad black teacher.
01:27:54.000And I'm like, the funny thing is, they rely on false arguments in an effort to push back.
01:28:03.000James Lindsay and Christopher Ruffo, the most prominent voices opposing critical race theory, have literally nothing to do with an old white man wearing a confederate flag.
01:28:40.000And yet, because he argued that, look, the logical conclusion of telling people that whites are the root of all evil and are to blame for everything, in the words of Suzanne Sontag, if you know who she is, so that the white race is the cancer of human history.
01:28:55.000If you tell this to people, You're going to start seeing an increase in violence against whites, just like you would against any group.
01:29:13.000But the point is, is that when Lindsay just made this harmless observation, he was attacked as promoting, like, the white genocide conspiracy theory.
01:29:34.000Yeah, because it's like adjacent to the IDW.
01:29:38.000But I mean, look, the whole like identitarian thing is, is if you're going to have a society where you have the hispanic caucus and the black caucus and every group is allowed to have an identity and as part of that a sense of dignity like it's okay for me to be black or it's okay for me to be hispanic or whatever and you deny that to whites do you see the problem with this do you see the problem with having a black caucus and hispanic caucus but then you tell white people you're not even allowed to think of yourself in terms of a member of a group
01:30:06.000Like, it's a kind of problem that creates itself.
01:30:10.000So I think, I'm not sure who, but somebody rather mainstream, I think Dave Rehboy, made this argument recently, like, look, you literally can't have this society.
01:30:24.000One thing about critical race theory I've been thinking a lot about is I see this push to ban it, to make it stop, like stop, make it go away.
01:30:32.000That's not going to work because I do agree that we shouldn't be indoctrinating children with a racial theory in school, but we need to educate people about what critical race theory or critical theory is implicitly.
01:30:45.000If we know what it is, we know what to look out for.
01:30:49.000When I grew up, I was told by my teachers classically liberal ideas.
01:30:53.000I was told not to judge people based on the content of their character or the color of their skin.
01:30:57.000The schools told kids this, and it was accepted.
01:31:01.000They said not to be, you know, hateful or homophobic and all that stuff.
01:31:05.000Today the teachers are saying they want, that the kids should judge people based on the content of their character.
01:31:10.000I'm sorry, they should judge people based on the color of their skin and not the content of their character.
01:31:13.000The point is, Even if you say we're banning critical race-applied principles, the teachers still will say these things and still believe these things.
01:32:56.000I could be wrong, so fetch me on this one, but my understanding is that Bell was operating on the idea that Democrats were effectively taking agency away from black communities and forcing them to coexist underneath.
01:33:12.000I've got to go through the literature specifically on Bell, but my understanding is Critical race theorists effectively oppose civil rights, and one of the things that I've seen emerge out of the Black Lives Matter movement specifically—this was in, I think, Ferguson and Baltimore—was this idea that segregation was a good thing, and these were black activists saying it.
01:33:33.000They believed that before the end of segregation, there were equal and opposite communities in which you had black families, black businesses, black Wall Street.
01:33:41.000Segregation forced the black community to live underneath the existing white infrastructure, effectively making them second-class citizens.
01:33:51.000I'm pretty sure that a lot of those ideas came from Bell.
01:33:54.000And that's why one of the big criticisms of critical race theory is that the goals of critical race theory are to rewind the clock back before the civil rights movement.
01:34:04.000So that's why you see things like caucusing.
01:34:35.000And it has done that by basically advantaging and giving every other group except for whites preference and access to different affirmative action programs.
01:34:46.000In effect, it discriminates against whites.
01:34:47.000Affirmative action, it's actually been argued, a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, particularly with Harvard.
01:34:55.000You cannot discriminate on the basis of race.
01:34:58.000One of the ways they've gotten around this is that the courts ruled, this was particularly recently in Southern California, that so long as you offer up an equal program for other groups, it is not discrimination.
01:35:10.000Specifically, if there is a women in computers program, And there was a man who sued.
01:35:17.000They said, is there a men's computer program?
01:35:20.000The problem with that argument is that that's the argument for bathrooms.
01:35:25.000If you're offering up an open bathroom to all, then anyone should be able to use any, you know, I'm sorry, it's if.
01:35:33.000The problem with that argument is the racial argument.
01:35:36.000If you're creating, you know, a whites-only or, you know, a blacks-only area, providing free but separate access was one of the critical arguments from the civil rights area that ended segregation.
01:35:46.000So ultimately, long story short, without getting too complicated, The critical race theorists want segregation.
01:35:52.000They can't have it so long as the Civil Rights Act says you can't discriminate on the basis of race.
01:35:56.000So in California they had, I think it was Proposition 6, I could be wrong, where they, maybe it wasn't 6, I'm not sure, where they wanted to remove from their constitution the public civil rights provision that said you cannot discriminate on the basis of race, sex, national origin, religion, in schools, in public contracting and employment.
01:36:16.000They tried to get rid of that recently.
01:36:18.000I think just this past November, it failed.
01:36:20.000Because people of California were like, why would we get rid of our civil rights?
01:36:24.000Yeah, I think you can find these examples of these situations where people can successfully, I guess, find recourse against this stuff to the CRA.
01:36:32.000But I mean, the fact is that affirmative action, things like that, is actually the outgrowth of the CRA.
01:36:39.000It does when you consider that the provisions of the Civil Rights Act were intended to kind of like We're intended to, let's say, catch blacks up and other, initially blacks, but the provisions ended up extending to, uh, to homosexuals, to immigrants, and to women.
01:36:54.000But the reason California, the Democrats are arguing they can't implement these programs because of the civil rights provision.
01:37:05.000My point is, is that you're, you're right.
01:37:06.000There probably are these instances where people say these things, but generally speaking, the legacy of the civil rights act has been the culture of affirmative action.
01:37:14.000I think, and it, part of it's confusing because people thought it wasn't prop six.
01:37:45.000Proposition 6 was like the Roads Repairing Act or something like that.
01:37:49.000Anyway, it's called the Affirmative Action Amendment.
01:37:53.000Federal-level Democrats started campaigning on behalf of California saying, California should have the right to discriminate on the basis of race in schooling and public jobs for the sake of fixing racial disparities.
01:38:05.000It got 42%, 42.77% voted yes on Prop 16 in November 3rd, 2020.
01:38:07.00042 percent, 42.77 voted yes on Prop 16 in November 3rd, 2020.
01:38:14.00057.23 said no, 9.6 million people said no to Prop 16, keeping California's civil rights
01:38:22.000provision in their constitution, making affirmative action unconstitutional in California.
01:38:28.000Yeah, no, I'm not denying that you have this example, but I think you can find plenty of
01:38:33.000One of the reasons that the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was basically unenforceable was actually because of the Civil Rights Act.
01:38:41.000Because there was this problem where businesses enforcing the provisions of the Immigration Control and Reform Act would potentially run up into anti-discrimination laws that are part of the Civil Rights Act.
01:38:52.000So it's like an unintended, well, I think in some ways it's an unintended consequence, but it's the logical conclusion of making anti-bias and anti-discrimination the central principle of your politics is, well, why are we waging this war against discrimination?
01:39:11.000Well, it's because one group is discriminating against all the rest.
01:39:16.000There's almost no hard principle for anti-discrimination.
01:39:20.000So when we look at the 1964 Civil Rights Act, we ultimately will just make a personal decision as to where we stop.
01:39:27.000If we truly believe you can't discriminate against people based on certain immutable characteristics or certain personal characteristics or identities, it goes infinite.
01:39:37.000New York says gender identity is self-expression, by which, legally, furries would be protected.
01:39:43.000And so, ultimately, the 1964 Civil Rights Act is really about society and what our social norms are and are willing to accept.
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01:40:05.000Louis Castagliola says, how many plots and conspiracies supposedly stopped by the FBI would have even gotten that far without instigation by government moles and informants?
01:40:15.000I guess the answer to that is many of them, if not most.
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01:44:01.000I keep thinking, like, are we gonna have a Frodo-Sam moment where you're standing there with the ring and I'm like, throw it in!
01:44:06.000Nah, you know why I wouldn't, uh, you know what I would do if I had the Infinity Gauntlet?
01:44:10.000I'd, like, just make, like, weird little things happen that don't really change much.
01:44:13.000Because what you gotta understand about life, as much as you might not be happy with life, think it's unjust, or want things, you ever play a video game?
01:44:20.000You ever play, like, you know, and you put in the cheat codes?
01:44:25.000Like, it's a fun novelty for a few minutes, where you're playing Mario with infinite, you know, leaf or whatever, or P-Wing in Mario 3, and you can't die, you got Game Genie on, or you're playing, you know, let's say Fallout, or some console game and using console commands.
01:44:39.000It's fun for a second when you, like, make, you know, I play Fallout 3 and I'm like, make my dude 80 feet tall and I'm running around and, you know, make him run super speed, and then eventually I'm like, meh.
01:44:48.000I once set up a private server, uh, or no, no, I didn't.
01:44:51.000Somebody set up a private server on Warcraft.
01:44:52.000We went on and they gave us GM commands and I was like, this is so cool.
01:44:56.000We're teleporting and we're like shooting through the air.
01:45:00.000So you think that people that are running the world, if there is such a thing, a deep state or whatever, do you think that they've also become disillusioned, bored with everything and now they're just.
01:45:08.000I mean, that's why they probably resort to profound depths of generosity like Jeff Epstein.
01:45:13.000I really think that's the thing, that once you become that wealthy and that powerful, you can only feel something when you engage in some kind of depraved act.
01:45:22.000Yeah, I don't want that level of desensitization.
01:45:26.000Did you guys hear the Democrats are planning to make women register for the draft?
01:47:04.000If you got word that Antifa was heading to your neighborhood, to your block where you lived with weapons, and your neighbor said, we need your help.
01:47:13.000We're going to be standing guard at the front of the street.
01:47:23.000I don't know if you'd call that a draft because it's entirely voluntary.
01:47:27.000I don't know, I think my opposition to the draft is actually fairly new.
01:47:31.000For most of my life I supported it, but I guess knowing what I know now about the federal government, I couldn't support a draft for like Iran or something.
01:47:40.000If you got word that China had invaded the West Coast and seized Seattle, San Francisco, LA, and was basically wiping out and seizing full control, and then a local military called up and said, you have to join.
01:48:08.000So the problem is the idea of a draft in defense of a country for truly defending it.
01:48:13.000I think most people probably would be OK with.
01:48:17.000The problem is most of our drafts the past 100 years have been like, go to some foreign land where someone who didn't attack us is, you know, we need to attack for some reason.
01:48:54.000They've long outlived their original emergency purpose for their creation and they keep finding justifications for their existence and budgets.
01:50:40.000David Bowyer says, the issue I see is that we live in the United States, which is full of many cultures, whether it be a gamer culture, or a gun culture, or sports culture.
01:50:48.000So when people say we are losing the culture war, are we really?
01:50:55.000I said years ago, I was like, just you wait once they start, once major league sports go woke, because we're seeing it in video games and movies.
01:51:53.000The goal of the war is to take control of certain narratives about important issues about race, about gender, about national identity, about American history.
01:52:05.000And on those categories, I think you can confidently say conservatives have lost.
01:52:10.000They have no control over these narratives and how to cultivate them and how to direct them.
01:52:15.000I think that when you start from that position, we've lost.
01:52:18.000Then you ask yourself, why did we lose?
01:52:20.000And I think that's the question that we should be asking ourselves.
01:52:22.000If you're a conservative or, like Tim, a disaffected liberal.
01:52:49.000We're going to get a hold of it and we're going to do a bunch of forensic testing.
01:52:52.000We're going to do, we're going to look for data leakage and things like that.
01:52:54.000And we're going to see, uh, you know, what's up.
01:52:56.000And that means we're going to need to get a couple of different versions of them.
01:53:00.000And then, uh, you know, we got, we're going to have to figure something out, but.
01:53:03.000I want to genuinely test this to see if it's on the level, because you never know.
01:53:08.000I mean, this dude, Eric, might be a good dude, but what if, in the manufacturing process, someone, you know, bugs him?
01:53:15.000Yeah, well, I was, I mean, something I read about them was that their pop, like, this specific model is popular in places like North Korea because they can be, they can basically be accessed by state agents.
01:54:33.000It'll be like a slightly less technical equality version of what, you know, Google and Apple are making with slightly more security is what my guess is what it's going to be.
01:54:44.000I think the device is going to work as advertised.
01:57:22.000your website, why am I seeing Harris on BTE instead of your members content? I am effing
01:57:27.000angry. What does that mean, Harris on BTE? I don't know what that means. I don't know.
01:57:33.000We're trying to fix the bug. So we'll sort it out. The Scott says, Tim, you want to put social
01:57:39.000media punishments in the hands of law enforcement.
01:57:41.00020 minutes ago you said to abolish the police because they're so biased.
01:57:45.000The only solution is unmonitored free speech.
01:57:48.000I also mentioned that the abolishing the police thing was twofold.
01:57:51.000Partly because it's becoming corrupted.
01:57:53.000It's not actually fulfilling its purpose and we're facing a narco-tyranny.
01:57:55.000And the other is that the left, like regular people, would instantly snap to attention if the police went away.
01:58:00.000But the hands of law enforcement for social media, yes, because I believe if we have a functioning society and we're hoping that it does continue to exist, then the only people should have any way to remove content should be for legal reasons.
01:58:15.000And I also said it was for the courts, too.
01:58:16.000So law enforcement, cops, maybe not the same thing.
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01:58:30.000He passed away last week and I wanted to thank the entire team for providing us a great medium to enjoy together.
01:58:36.000Derek, I am sorry to hear about your loss, but I'm glad you guys enjoyed the show together and I greatly appreciate your super chat and your viewership.
01:59:31.000I experienced it personally at Occupy Wall Street.
01:59:35.000And the only way they're going to get it, if they can actually discriminate.
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01:59:47.000After ordering, I noticed that I also ordered Speechless that got added to my cart by Tim on Friday.
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