On this week's episode of TimCast, we discuss the latest on the Black Lives Matter protests in Florida, the ongoing case of the self-defense defense in the Chauvin vs. Merrick trial, and the new anti riot bill passed by the Florida Senate. We also hear from Ian Crossland of Shamanistic DMT Trips and Jordan Lancaster of The Daily Caller.
00:00:41.000you the Florida Senate has passed the anti-riot bill
00:01:02.000Ron DeSantis is expected to sign it sometime next week.
00:01:06.000And the bill is considered controversial because, of course, the left and Democrats think it stifles free speech, whereas it actually increases penalties for a lot of riot-related activities.
00:01:17.000A lot of people are sick and tired of the far-left, Black Lives Matter and Antifa, going around smashing things, rioting non-stop, and they keep getting cut loose, but there are some drawbacks.
00:01:25.000I mean, the things they're doing are already illegal, and if many of these people aren't being prosecuted, then maybe the problem is the DAs aren't prosecuting the law.
00:01:31.000So we're going to talk about this, but I also want to get into, as this is the week of the Chauvin trial has come to an end, and now the trial itself has effectively come to an end, to the extent that the deliberations begin next week, And there's an op-ed from Fox News saying that Chauvin's lost.
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00:04:03.000And it's kind of a crazy story, I suppose.
00:04:06.000It's either really, really good—unless, I guess, you're a Democrat, then you're probably really angry about it if you're a Black Lives Matter protester—the Florida Senate has passed the controversial anti-riot bill pushed in the wake of Black Lives Matter protests.
00:04:19.000Governor Ron DeSantis championed the legislation and is expected to sign it as early as next week.
00:04:22.000One of the things it does that Democrats are really mad about Is that if you are in your car and a group of protesters are in the street and you're trying to escape them, you are immune from civil liability if you drive through them.
00:04:37.000So it's, you know, you want to make sure you get all that context in there.
00:04:39.000But they're freaking out because they're trying to make it seem like they're granting immunity to people literally slamming the gas and like crashing into people.
00:05:14.000Well, I actually found like their summary, you know, I went to the Florida legislature and got an idea of what they're doing.
00:05:20.000Um, I think the biggest thing it does, I mean, it's really, first off, there's a lot of enhanced penalties.
00:05:25.000So if you're, you know, committing one of these crimes, like inciting a riot, participating in a riot, uh, it's gonna, there's like a mandatory minimum for assaulting a police officer now of six months, for example.
00:05:36.000It also means that if you're participating in a riot and you get arrested, you can't get bailed out before you appear in court, so it's like the sort of in and out.
00:05:46.000It has this anti-defunding the police provision, which essentially makes the state, before a city wants to defund its police, it needs permission from the state government.
00:05:58.000This is an interesting one, and I think this is the one that has to do with the whole the defense about like if you run someone over it says it
00:06:04.000creates an affirmative defense in a civil action arising from a riot if the plaintiff's injury or
00:06:08.000damage was sustained as a result of participating in a riot so that that's sort of interesting
00:06:12.000that sort of shuts off any sort of lawsuits by rioters like if you're in a riot and you you
00:06:17.000get assaulted or something so it's actually beyond so so the democrats were the ones framing it as
00:06:21.000though you could run a car your car through Right.
00:06:23.000But actually it's much broader than that.
00:07:16.000You're just like, you're, you're at the mercy of this mob.
00:07:18.000And it's just it's the most selfish way to protest possible It's completely indifferent to like the amount of time and
00:07:25.000energy you're taking away from everybody who's blocked You're just you're just deciding you're more important than
00:07:29.000they are that becomes a felony right blocking traffic. I think so
00:07:33.000I think I'm like a third-degree felony. I think they've been much more aggressive about it
00:07:36.000And I I really disagree with that when I I think that, you know, if it was just a bunch of, say, like, I don't know, Code Pink, and they're holding hands in the middle of DC singing songs, and the cops have to walk up and one by one arrest them and remove them, and it takes, you know, 20 or 30 minutes, non-violent civil disobedience is a good thing.
00:07:53.000We don't want people to be getting violent.
00:07:55.000Um, I mean, I'm okay with that, except do it on the sidewalk.
00:08:00.000The point is to create some kind of circumstance where it generates attention.
00:08:04.000And my point is that I think that's not something we should incentivize, and instead that we should deter.
00:08:09.000I think a fair point is that people standing in the road create a very serious risk standing in a road, and you probably shouldn't stand in a road, period.
00:08:16.000My thing is more just like, we need to make sure there's a space maintained where people can be, to a certain degree, disruptive, peacefully and unviolently, and it's already illegal.
00:08:43.000It's usually a misdemeanor slap on the wrist.
00:08:46.000And then they're not going around smashing windows and beating people in the streets like they're doing now.
00:08:50.000I mean, I think, like, well, there's already laws that are, you know, don't, we aren't seriously punishing people in the road, and they still, you know, I don't think that's a way to divert them from breaking windows.
00:09:02.000No, a felony's kind of intense, though, for that, man.
00:09:04.000Right, but, well, then, there's, don't do it.
00:09:30.000The challenge, I suppose, is the difference between an unruly mob in the street and, like, a bunch of hippies holding hands singing, and then the cops come and clear them out.
00:09:37.000Yeah, I think those are different things.
00:09:39.000But in this scenario, it was a giant mob of people in an intersection.
00:11:16.000We just need to change the law so that people go right to jail.
00:11:20.000This woman, apparently she got informed on because one of these Antifa guys in Portland is apparently a snitch.
00:11:25.000She was arrested apparently last year, I guess, and she was released and all the charges were dropped.
00:11:31.000If this woman Was if the charges were not dropped and she got a year in jail or a year plus in prison, she would not have been there to set fire to this police association building.
00:11:45.000They cut her loose, dropped the charges, and they knew she was a violent, terroristic extremist.
00:12:01.000And I mean, the beauty of doing this in, you know, conservative states, there's a lot of blue cities, and there's still blue cities in Florida.
00:12:07.000But all of a sudden, they've got, you know, the State Attorney General can come in and tell them to knock it off, right?
00:12:12.000Right now, essentially, Oregon is totally dependent on federal law enforcement, and the FBI run by a Republican administration at some point in the future.
00:12:29.000You know, there, there are challenges about this.
00:12:31.000Uh, typically I, my thing is Blackstone's formulation, the presumption of innocence.
00:12:36.000It's really difficult to, you, you, you might be walking through the wrong place at the wrong time and they'll charge you with being in a riot.
00:12:49.000If we just reduce the number of riots, then that also reduces the number of people who are randomly walking through, makes police's job a lot easier, means they can focus on combating crime in their cities, and not have to send these huge forces of people just to, you know, deal with unruly rioters.
00:13:05.000So, you know, when I asked about why make new laws if it's already illegal, you said something to the effect of, the punishment must not have been severe enough.
00:13:11.000Like, if it's still happening despite being illegal all the time, we are not deterring it sufficiently.
00:13:16.000Because the district attorneys aren't prosecuting it.
00:13:18.000That might be true, but this is a solution to that as well, right?
00:13:21.000If you create new state laws with severe punishments and, you know, essentially you create an environment also where the state attorney general is going to want to enforce those laws if local district attorneys are not.
00:13:31.000And that authority, I'm pretty sure, is always there.
00:13:45.000I think if you look at the evidence, they've consistently, the Black Lives Matter, the Antifa, have consistently gotten away with serious violent extremism.
00:13:54.000I mean, how many people died in the riots or peripheral to the riots of last year?
00:13:59.000There were 19, I think, deaths directly related and then peripheral deaths like people in ambulances that couldn't get to the hospital and stuff like that.
00:14:07.000These people have gotten away with it.
00:14:08.000I mean, Kamala Harris solicited donations to get these people out of jail.
00:14:11.000Joe Biden's staff donated to these funds to get these people out of jail.
00:14:17.000Then you look at the people at the Capitol.
00:14:19.000There's one lady, apparently, the door was open and she had no idea what was going on until she walked in, you know, dumbfounded and bewildered like everybody else, and now she's in solitary confinement facing like 40 years in prison.
00:15:53.000So, um, that was, you know, and so there was a big, there was a group, it ended up being about like 150 left-wing people and they started out, they, I mean, apparently there was a plan to actually go after and set off bombs in an army base while people were there.
00:16:10.000Uh, and then after that they decided we're only going to bomb things symbolically, but they were, you know, there was just, there was a bombing campaign all over the place where they would just set off bombs and, you know, energy stations and random places to make a political point.
00:16:21.000So we have decades of that infrastructure and the remnants of that still exist today.
00:16:35.000I mean, it was fairly close this time around.
00:16:37.000Democrat takes over and then all of a sudden the Republicans find themselves with a boot on their face.
00:16:42.000Well, I mean, it's possible, but, you know, I think Republicans... Republicans generally don't riot, and, you know, one of the things I said about January 6th is the reason they weren't even able to get into the Capitol is because Republicans generally don't do that.
00:17:33.000It's quite possible that Democrats will use this stuff against us.
00:17:36.000But I mean, I think the net tradeoff, given how few sort of riots there are from the right, like January 6th was such a bizarre aberration.
00:18:34.000So, like, I mean, I think, and I'm confident in the ability of federal courts to enforce the First Amendment and strike down laws, even just as applied, right, if they try to use one of these riot laws to something that is clearly First Amendment-protected activity.
00:18:47.000I'm confident a court would strike it down.
00:20:06.000Some other journalists were in the crowd screaming at the top of their lungs.
00:20:08.000You mother effer, you can't arrest me, I'm a journalist!
00:20:11.000And they went to jail and then they had all of the activists cheer them on they came out and these people are
00:20:17.000hardcore activists That's why they're screaming at cops and they're angry. So
00:20:21.000as part of the job, but you're not supposed to get arrested, but you get arrested a
00:20:24.000Real a real professional journalist in my opinion gets arrested and they grumble about it
00:20:29.000And they keep their mouth shut and they let their boss know the moment it's happening if they can
00:20:34.000They say, you know, they'll yell to someone, tell, you know, Channel 5 I'm being arrested, and then they'll peacefully put their hands behind their back, and then go through the motions.
00:20:41.000And then when the, you know, the station will call them, the police usually say, okay, you're free to go.
00:20:45.000But when you scream in their faces and start a fight, then you get locked up.
00:20:48.000If you're screaming at the cops and starting a fight with them, you're probably not a real journalist or a real reporter.
00:20:59.000Someone becomes a journalist the moment they're engaging in journalism.
00:21:02.000But if you combine, at any point, the act of journalism with the act of rioting or screaming at cops, now you're an active participant.
00:21:08.000You may be an act of journalism, but you're also— I'll put it this way.
00:21:12.000The First Amendment says peaceably assemble, meaning if you violently assemble or illegally assemble, then you're not peaceably assembling.
00:21:19.000Illegal is where it gets interesting, and there are probably case law challenges, but the general idea is If you're not breaking the law or putting people at risk, you're probably fine.
00:21:29.000The same thing is true for if you're engaging in an act of the press.
00:21:32.000If you start acting violently, you know, the press has implied that you're being peaceful.
00:21:36.000If you're now throwing bricks at people and filming it, that's not journalism, you know?
00:21:57.000Well, they could charge it, but I don't think it would fly.
00:21:59.000They could charge it because they'll say, you know, let's say you're there, and you're filming, and you're in a group of three or more engaging in tumultuous activity.
00:22:07.000They'll say, ah, you're in the street, felony, you're under arrest.
00:22:10.000Then you'll go, you'll probably have to go before a judge, you'll tell the judge, I'm a reporter, here's where I work.
00:22:14.000The judge will be like, okay, you're free to go.
00:22:17.000If you can't prove you work somewhere, he'll probably say, I don't believe you.
00:22:26.000It defends the press, but now everybody's the press.
00:22:29.000So I guess the, the, the, the problem now is like the question you ask.
00:22:33.000If you're a journalist and you enter the street and you're obstructing it now, got a problem.
00:22:39.000I mean, I don't know, like, I'm looking at the statute, it changes the definition to someone who participates in a violent public disturbance involving an assembly of three or more persons.
00:23:29.000Alright, we got this story from Fox News which I found... I'm sorry, I laughed when I saw it.
00:23:34.000Greg Jarrett says, Derek Chauvin prosecutors meet the burden of proof in trial.
00:23:40.000And he opens by saying defending the indefensible can be futile and fatuous endeavor.
00:23:45.000And then he talks a lot about stuff, blah blah blah.
00:23:47.000At the end he says, it is never easy to reach a decision unanimously when presented with conflicting testimony as noted herein.
00:23:53.000Jurors tend to resort to common sense and wisdom grounded in their own life experiences.
00:23:57.000In this case, the great weight of the evidence favors the prosecution.
00:24:02.000It has sustained the burden of proof, be it a reasonable doubt, that what Derek Chauvin did was not only wrong but criminal.
00:24:09.000I can't believe that's true, based on everything I've seen so far.
00:24:14.000And I'm curious, Mr. Lawyer, if you agree with Greg Jarrett that the prosecution has met the burden of proof, proving that Derek Chauvin was not only wrong, but criminal.
00:24:28.000I don't think they've proved causation beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:24:31.000I thought Dr. Fowler's testimony I thought was very reasonable.
00:24:35.000There's just a lot of potential alternate causality here.
00:24:38.000I mean, the guy had a 90% blocked heart artery.
00:24:40.000He had 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl in his system along with methamphetamine.
00:24:45.000And I think it was, what, 5.6 of norfentanyl, meaning metabolized?
00:25:06.000We've got manslaughter in second degree and assault in the third degree, which is... The murder two they're going for is the felony murder rule, correct?
00:25:15.000So that means they're arguing that Chauvin did not want to kill George Floyd.
00:25:19.000Yeah, there's no... none of the charges require intent to kill.
00:25:23.000That's the key thing to understand, right?
00:25:25.000They're going for unintentional murder two, depraved heart murder three, which is also unintentional, and then involuntary manslaughter.
00:25:32.000So that's all... none of that requires intent to kill, so that's why they didn't spend any time proving it.
00:25:36.000There was a point in the trial that I've brought up several times where the defense cross-examined the state's use of force expert from LA.
00:25:44.000And based on the continuum chart, it's a continuum where it shows like passive resistance, which is, you know, going limp or, you know, not standing up.
00:25:52.000Active resistance, which is fighting and then active aggression where you're like shooting at somebody.
00:25:57.000In the category, this guy said, in the continuum, the defense expert witness, I'm sorry, sorry, the prosecution's expert witness said George Floyd was actively resisting.
00:26:07.000Right next to it, it says, it said like electro whatever, you know, force compliance or whatever, which is a taser.
00:26:15.000And Nelson, the defense attorney said, So, Chauvin could have used a taser immediately upon encountering George Floyd actively resisting the other officers.
00:26:26.000And the prosecution's witness said, yes.
00:26:28.000And he goes, and then Chauvin chose a lesser force option of restraint instead.
00:26:34.000And the expert witness for the prosecution said, yes.
00:26:36.000That, to me, right away, threw everything out the window.
00:26:40.000It seems like, based on that argument alone, Chauvin was trying not to hurt the man.
00:27:38.000But just you have your own defense expert who says, look, under the totality of these circumstances, this was a justified use of force.
00:27:44.000Rather than trying to say it wasn't a use of force at all.
00:27:46.000Like, you just say, like, given the resistance and given the fact that they thought he was going through excited delirium, it was reasonable for them to hold him on the ground and try and just restrain him and prevent him from moving.
00:27:57.000The crazy thing to me is that they're trying to claim that Chauvin murdered Floyd, that he was the cause of death, but they can't even tell us definitively what the cause of death was.
00:28:16.000Initially it was that it was pressure to the neck cutting off oxygen to the brain.
00:28:21.000And then, apparently because of one of their own experts testifying about how the knee had moved, they switched it up to saying it was pressure resulting in low respiratory function.
00:28:30.000Yeah, I mean, the weakest part of... So Tobin says it was both the knee on the back and holding him in the prone position, and then also the knee on the side of the neck at times.
00:28:39.000Which to me, honestly, doesn't make that much sense, because, I mean, I don't know if you've, like, done this, but, like, this isn't near your airway, right?
00:28:45.000Like, the idea that knee on the back of the neck would close your airway just doesn't make sense.
00:28:53.000And the defense expert said, there's no literature on this.
00:28:57.000Like, And to me, that was a moment of like, yeah, I mean, you're saying he choked via that.
00:29:01.000And then the positional asphyxia thing, the Fowler was able to suggest pretty strongly that the guy who came up with the idea and wrote about it said, it really only applies to people who are obese because you're pressing their gut up into their lungs.
00:29:15.000It doesn't apply to people like Floyd, who was quite, you know, 6'6", 230, but very lean.
00:29:22.000What is the closing argument from the prosecution going to be?
00:30:17.000He would zoom in and, like, argue them.
00:30:19.000And so you've got Eric Nelson, the random criminal defense attorney, arguing against Neil Katyal, who argues more Supreme Court cases every year than any other private attorney.
00:30:33.000So Blackwell, the bald black guy, and then Schleicher, who handled a lot of the other cross-examination, both of them are like private litigators that Keith Ellison brought in to handle the case.
00:30:45.000There's only like one state prosecutor, the woman with brown hair.
00:30:50.000She was the only prosecutor who's actually a prosecutor in her day job.
00:30:55.000They should have gone with, what, manslaughter?
00:30:57.000I mean, I think Mantu is the correct charge here.
00:30:59.000But you don't even think he'll get that?
00:31:01.000I don't think he'll get that because I think at the end of the day there's going to be a juror who says to himself, I don't know how he died.
00:32:01.000There was a tweet from back in September when they were setting up the trial, setting up the case, where the judge said that it looked like in the photos Floyd had swallowed pills.
00:32:11.000Do you think the defense is going to bring it to the jury?
00:32:13.000George Floyd was seen on camera ingesting what appeared to be drugs.
00:32:17.000He was with a man that was testified by his own girlfriend to be their drug dealer.
00:32:21.000They found drugs in the vehicle and he had the drugs in his system, which as you've heard already, Fentanyl depresses your respiratory system, and methamphetamine causes heart arrhythmia.
00:32:31.000We can't be sure how George Floyd died.
00:32:36.000I mean, there's a very powerful closing, and it's a lot harder to rule it out.
00:32:40.000I mean, they basically have to rely on these pieces of Dr. Tobin's testimony that said, well, if he had a heart attack, you would have seen this and this and this.
00:32:48.000Yeah, but, I mean, the prosecution already had its... I think, yeah, the prosecution gets the last word in opening or... In the closing arguments.
00:33:44.000He managed to give for his acquit, reasonable doubt, that the thing that led to his... He's like, I didn't murder him, I did dismember him.
00:33:52.000I think it was, wasn't it the New York Post that the headline was, Durst, who cut off body, claims self-defense.
00:33:59.000That was the New York Times that said that.
00:34:04.000Well, hold on, there's something we got to consider though.
00:34:08.000If tonight we see rioting, and I think one of these jurors lives in Brooklyn Center, and the rest of the jurors still have to commute through riots to get to court, do you think they're going to show up on Monday sweating bullets knowing that if they say not guilty, that it's going to be a brick through their window and their house on fire?
00:34:37.000Um, what's the difference between murder three and manslaughter?
00:34:41.000Uh, murder three is what's called depraved heart, uh, murder.
00:34:45.000So like that's supposed to be really, really, you know, involuntary manslaughter is, is, you know, killing someone without intent, right?
00:34:51.000Generally it's, that's the usual crime.
00:34:53.000Like for example, uh, the Daunte Wright case where the woman mistake, mistook her taser for a, mistook her gun for a taser and shot the guy.
00:35:01.000That's an involuntary manslaughter charge.
00:35:03.000So the, so the one cop says she, I don't think she's actually made her statement yet.
00:35:18.000And then you throw someone at somebody or something?
00:35:21.000I think I read that the classic case in blackletter law is two people are playing a modified Russian roulette where they're shooting, you know, there's one bullet and a revolver and they're shooting each other.
00:36:02.000Yeah, I mean, it's there so that sometimes things that are really beyond the pale can get more years.
00:36:07.000The prosecution's own witness, I think more than one, testified that the position Chauvin was in was a ground control technique that they actually train.
00:36:15.000The Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy said, yes, that's a ground control technique.
00:37:03.000And then when Nelson shows the video, it's like, there's the MMA fighter in front of Chauvin, who's, what, 5'9", 140 pounds, and someone was holding this guy back.
00:37:11.000Stands to reason that Chauvin felt he was in a very serious, threatening situation.
00:39:15.000But also, they were like, yeah, but why nine minutes?
00:39:17.000Because the MMA guy was screaming in his face and being held back and Chauvin was very distracted and didn't know what was going on.
00:39:24.000And because they thought EMS was coming and would be right there and they were just trying to hold on to him.
00:39:28.000Did you see the prosecution's expert use of force witness who said, when he was asked on cross, have you ever held someone in a restraint until EMS arrived?
00:40:20.000Where they say, is the defense floundering?
00:40:23.000And then I see these articles where they're like, the defense is helpless.
00:40:28.000And I'm like, When your commentary is derivative of biased news sources and you don't double check, you write opinions that are based in just not reality.
00:41:42.000So these people have an audience of cultists that they've whipped into a cult over the past several years, and they know if they give them real information that offends them, their minds will explode.
00:41:57.000So they're like, OK, let's see, we have this trial and the prosecution, expert witness says Chauvin should not have done that.
00:42:06.000Then we have the defense. They said, actually, he should not have done it, but it was part of his
00:42:10.000training. Let's just throw that in the garbage. And let's this next one says Chauvin was using it
00:42:15.000because of force. We'll put that right there. And then, but that's my opinion and not the facts
00:42:20.000because he was trained to do that and other officers do it as well. Let's throw that one
00:42:22.000in the garbage. Just the highlights. This is a major part of what's stirring up riots.
00:42:27.000You have all of these viewers watching what they think is the facts of the trial.
00:42:32.000They turn on CNN, MSNBC every single night and then what if he gets off?
00:42:37.000Well what they've been watching is showing them To them, obviously, he should have been convicted.
00:42:43.000So, you know, once he gets off, it's like they have more of a reason to go out and riot.
00:42:50.000Imagine watching a boxing match where they only show you, you know, fighter in the blue shorts, punching the fighter in the red shorts over and over again.
00:44:02.000So the Dante Wright thing, we were watching it on CNN and MSNBC.
00:44:05.000They always play the clip and you know what they omit?
00:44:08.000The part where he's being placed under arrest and then evades and gets back into his car.
00:44:12.000They cut to begin the thing right after that happens and while he's already back in the car.
00:44:16.000In, I think it was, it was either 2015 or 16, there was a Trump rally in Janesville, Wisconsin.
00:44:23.000There was an old man arguing with a young woman.
00:44:27.000She started screaming, he touched my breast, he touched my breast, he put his hands up and said, I didn't even touch you.
00:44:31.000Then, she punches him in the face, and someone pepper sprays her.
00:44:36.000Mike.com added the most insane edit I've ever seen, because it was within, like, one second where he puts his hands up, then she punches him and gets pepper sprayed.
00:46:59.000They would love to get up in people's faces.
00:47:03.000I remember something as simple as when Jack went to that protest at the Lincoln, I think it was the Lincoln statue in D.C., and just had, clearly was just being assaulted by this random Antifa kid, Jason Charter or whatever, who ended up being arrested.
00:47:31.000A friend of mine actually texted me about Kalen earlier today and was like, I guess people don't like being recorded while they're committing crimes.
00:47:43.000I went to Black Lives Matter Plaza one night and there's a lot of people there and it to me seemed like they were just randomly picking people to kick out.
00:47:54.000I couldn't really see a pattern of who they were picking, but it kind of seemed like, and it was a very specific group of people, it wasn't everybody there, but it was, you know, a group of people and they would just find someone who was recording and make them leave.
00:48:08.000I would be fine with, like, a very serious, like, ramping up the penalties for assaulting a journalist.
00:48:15.000Well, like, how do you define a journalist in that capacity?
00:48:17.000I mean, well, somebody who's, like, maybe if... I mean, you could probably figure out a way to do it that somebody... if you beat up somebody who's filming you, right?
00:48:25.000Like, in the middle of a riot or a protest or whatever.
00:49:53.000We've done segments about the Falcon and the Winter Soldier because we really want to talk about fun things and argue about inanities instead of this CNN guy gloating about all the dead people means ratings.
00:50:05.000Well, so James O'Keefe gets suspended from Twitter.
00:50:09.000They send a journalist to confront Brian Stelter.
00:50:12.000And Brian Stelter, in the most... What's the right word?
00:50:34.000So this journalist says, do you have a comment?
00:50:37.000You know, your employee said you're a propaganda network.
00:50:39.000And he goes, I feel really bad for you.
00:50:42.000And I'm like, dude, listen, first of all, who explains PR to these people?
00:50:49.000If I was confronted by somebody, don't you realize that insulting them and yelling at them makes everything worse for you?
00:50:57.000He could've just been like, I'm not the PR person, I'm not familiar with this guy, I don't really have much to say, and I'm sorry, I wish I did.
00:51:03.000And then it's like, can you answer this question?
00:51:46.000So I look at this guy, um, you know, uh, Caitlin, he gets brutally beaten in the quest to film and give the public a view into what these people are doing in the, in the process of being beaten.
00:53:07.000After he was, you know, retired, he went to a life of politics, and his notoriety as a ninja turtle really, really helped him.
00:53:16.000And as for Stelter, little known that when the ninja turtles were doused in the ooze, someone had thrown some potatoes into the gutter, and the ooze hit that as well.
00:58:03.000I do recognize there's a problem in that, in the digital space, certain opinions are banned, and we're lucky enough to have opinions that fall into the right area.
00:58:12.000But when I'm talking with anybody, from the left or the right, I say the same things I say on here as I say off the show.
00:58:19.000The only difference is I won't say people, like I'll avoid saying someone's name if they're like a, you know, certain individuals to avoid causing, you know, like a brigade or something.
00:58:28.000I'll say people's names privately because it's not going to, you know, go out into the ether and then cause someone to get a bunch of emails or something.
00:58:36.000You know, a lot of people are scared of it.
00:58:39.000This deception world is crazy that like the city would tell, say that he came back just Yeah, and they didn't check up with us.
00:58:46.000I mean, I think some other poll watcher eventually went back to that polling place, but it wasn't the one that was in the video, because I was with them all day.
00:58:52.000And they just reported that as true without reaching out to us.
00:58:55.000And I mean, the fact that the original fact checks were wrong, I mean, it was really embarrassing for them.
00:59:00.000Even like when you call the bank and you're like, I have an overdraft fee.
00:59:14.000I want to talk about Project Veritas, because I mentioned this a bit yesterday, a bit earlier today, but I really do think that what they're doing is probably the most consequential and important, whatever you want to call it, fighting battles that anyone in the culture war is doing.
00:59:33.000Because James is not only doing the investigations, publishing videos of people saying these things, he's fighting the legal battles.
00:59:40.000Suing CNN, now he's going to be suing Twitter.
00:59:51.000He is going nuclear and he's doing so much more than anyone else is willing to do.
00:59:55.000He's willing to just refuse to bend the knee in any capacity and there are so many people that I get mad at these cops in the Minneapolis area who can see what's happening with Show and his other cops, and they're like, well, I'm gonna stay here.
01:00:30.000In the New York Times lawsuit with Veritas, the judge said, so the New York Times filed a motion to dismiss, saying that their reporters were making opinions which are unactionable, and the judge said, if you have a fact-based news story and your reporters interject their opinions, it stands to reason you should inform your readers of that.
01:00:52.000For one, I'm curious of your opinions on his ruling and what that might mean, but does this in any way set precedent that we could use moving forward?
01:00:58.000I mean, a New York state court opinion is weak precedent, generally, because it's a New York judge applying New York defamation law in a New York court.
01:01:11.000I mean, it probably works in federal district court.
01:01:12.000It's also not an appellate court ruling, which really, if you actually want precedent that binds future courts and really influences courts far and wide, a single state district judge is not going to do it, generally.
01:01:25.000That said, I think this could go up on appeal and you could get an appellate opinion from the New York, because I assume the New York Times is going to appeal this if they don't settle it.
01:01:35.000And I think it could be valuable there.
01:01:36.000I think it's just generally, I mean, it's a great opinion though, and it provides a sort of template for how to approach these things when the New York Times does this in the future, or any other outlet does it.
01:01:45.000I mean, that's a very persuasive point.
01:01:47.000Like, you don't get to suddenly claim you're an opinion outlet when you're writing a news article and then saying somebody is deceptive and misinforming people.
01:01:54.000I've had a lot of lawyers tell me this, that when a news article smears me, it's an opinion.
01:01:58.000And I'm like, how does someone claim to be fact-based, real news, publish opinion pieces and get away with it without any accountability?
01:02:08.000Even then, remember, he just got passed a motion to dismiss.
01:02:10.000He's still got to prove actual malice.
01:02:14.000And I think there was a circumstance where, you know, for some reason, the timing of—in particular, I think it was the timing of this article and how quickly it went up.
01:02:25.000Within 63 minutes or something, that was what the judge used to infer actual malice, and infer that they didn't even have time to try, and yet they still published it anyway.
01:02:32.000The New York Times, I think they claimed that if you read James' Wikipedia, that shows that he has no ability to sue anyone at any point because he is so defamed.
01:02:43.000It's an interesting argument because I get it, right?
01:02:46.000The average person sees this and assumes all of these things are true and correct.
01:02:50.000So that brings me to the Wikipedia argument where if Wikipedia is claiming that sex— like, we got very serious problems right now.
01:02:57.000I guess the issue is James is, like, one of the few people going to war.
01:03:43.000Not setting off bombs all over the country?
01:03:45.000And they say Project Veritas is a far-right activist group that engages in disinformation.
01:03:51.000You're talking about Enrique Atario, the chairman of the Proud Boys, a far-right neo-fascist and male-only white nationalist that promotes and engages in political violence?
01:04:06.000It does say in the next paragraph he engaged in a campaign of bombing public buildings, including police stations, the US Capitol, and the Pentagon.
01:04:14.000Thanks for bringing that to my attention in the second paragraph.
01:04:18.000Why doesn't it say, William Charles Ayers is a far-left terrorist and conspiracy theorist who is most known for engaging in terroristic plots and insurrection against the United States?
01:04:31.000Or at least, like, you gotta have the same sort of neutralizing, like, I mean, I've seen so many people on our side who have Wikipedia profiles that begin just like the one about Enrique Tarrio.
01:05:34.000And I mean, this is actually one area where I think I really think we could do without 2.30.
01:05:38.000I mean, I think, you know, or very much narrow it so that like, you know, Wikipedia, OK, it has its little it has its pages and people can access them if they want.
01:05:47.000But if they show up on Google searches, which they do, then that's Wikipedia publishing them.
01:05:51.000So they're they're now liable for whatever.
01:08:27.000It could mean that Twitter can't exist unless Twitter vets the people who are posting, and it might revert back to everyone having their own website, which might be something better.
01:08:36.000I mean, the thing that Ian and I have been talking about for the past, I guess, what, three or four weeks?
01:08:42.000Is people having their own websites with open source networking technology built in.
01:08:47.000So that if you have, you know, humanevents.com, you can install this plugin, which creates a networking function where you can choose what to exclude from, you know, people who are redirected.
01:08:57.000But it basically creates this recommendation system so that I'll say, I definitely want to have human events recommended in the networking tab of TimCast.com.
01:09:05.000And it creates a social media function on my website.
01:09:09.000I mean, I'd be okay with just a narrowed 230 that essentially allows Twitter and Facebook to continue their current business model, assuming they don't, they knock off the censorship.
01:09:18.000And then also, but also like really puts the screws to Wikipedia, right?
01:09:21.000You know, cause I think, I think there's something particularly damaging about Wikipedia posturing as an encyclopedia that is authoritative and yet it is just an engine of defamation.
01:09:32.000But my main point is the other day I was saying that if, you know, I mentioned like your username appears next to what you say, we say that's definitively from you.
01:09:41.000What Wikipedia does is it takes the opinions, opinions, literally opinions, framing and opinions of random people, But then it publishes them to a front facing page that says Wikipedia on top.
01:09:54.000And some of these articles, notably the James O'Keefe article, is protected.
01:09:58.000That means Wikipedia has decided the general public is not allowed to edit this.
01:10:01.000Only their select group of individuals.
01:10:04.000So what's defining this as user generated?
01:10:13.000So I can have users, three of them, come over to the studio, and I'll say, anyone is allowed to write on this website, so long as you're a pre-approved user who's not getting paid, and they can write whatever they want, and I can't be sued over it.
01:11:24.000I mean, you know, maybe that's a little bit closer to the edge because you could be construed to be actively soliciting a defamatory content.
01:11:37.000So what if I say we allow everyone to submit through the website's forms, like Wikipedia, whatever they want, and then we arbitrarily just publish some of them.
01:12:02.000Those words don't appear anywhere in Section 230.
01:12:04.000Well, it's that you're not the speaker of the content, that's what it says.
01:12:08.000Right, and Wikipedia's acting as the speaker of the content in this case.
01:12:12.000I'm paraphrasing, but online digital platforms cannot be held liable for content provided by users of that platform.
01:12:19.000And then it also adds another provision saying, You cannot hold a website responsible for the speech of its users if they're acting in good faith to remove, lewd, lascivious, or otherwise objectionable content.
01:13:19.000This means I can start a newspaper and just not pay people?
01:13:22.000People would love to write for me, and then I can't ever be sued?
01:13:24.000Well, I mean, you can just put the pages on the website and let people write, you know, and not... Well, well, look, the goal is, like, with Wikipedia, they put protection on these articles, so only their select people can make changes.
01:13:35.000Yeah, I mean, I think that's an interesting argument.
01:13:49.000How about we just start a fund, raise a couple million dollars, and then just launch a volley of lawsuits based on Wikipedia claiming the articles are from Wikipedia?
01:14:10.000But how do you deal with the defamation machine?
01:14:13.000The defamation machine, I think... Smear merchants.
01:14:16.000I think you just need to amend the law that basically says if you amplify or redirect the comments, basically what... I think a world where Wikipedia was just a webpage where people could post and that's all that happened, right?
01:14:28.000I would be able to say, okay, you're protected from liability for what people post since you're just opening it up to the world.
01:14:33.000But the moment Wikipedia is redirecting information about Wikipedia entries to Google, okay, now you're speaking.
01:14:38.000Right. You're adopting these views now.
01:14:40.000And so I don't know how to you know I think you could probably write a law.
01:15:37.000I think the Texas one's a little better.
01:15:39.000Texas one's a little more focused on protecting just average citizens.
01:15:43.000The Florida one was focused on political candidates, if I remember correctly, and didn't provide a broad private right of action for citizens who were censored.
01:16:43.000But he made an interesting argument that he says, actually, if a federal law preempts a state law that is granting people free speech rights, the federal law has a First Amendment problem.
01:16:59.000So 230 as applied to try and Overturn a state law that protects people's right to speak online, as applied, that might fall apart on a First Amendment challenge.
01:17:10.000That hasn't been tested at all, but literally that whole opinion was just Clarence Thomas being like, hey states, here's how you can protect people if you want to try, and here's some ways that this will survive legally.
01:17:23.000So I need to find out more about this because I got to be honest, you know, a lot of people are moving to Texas.
01:17:28.000I've got, you know, I just did a quick Google search.
01:17:31.000Texas Senate Committee heard legislation on Monday aiming to prohibit social media platforms from censoring users based on their viewpoints.
01:17:37.000Senate Bill SB 12, filed by Senator Brian Hughes of Mineola.
01:17:42.000Let's pop this open and see what we got here.
01:18:51.000I think Twitter and Facebook and YouTube would probably at that point stop censoring everybody because they wouldn't want to risk somebody being in Texas and having a cause of action.
01:19:36.000Let's say I'm in Texas, and we're doing the show, and then one day, boom, YouTube's gone.
01:19:42.000So, I file a complaint and I request an emergency injunction because my business is now at risk and all of my employees could be out of work unless this is reversed.
01:19:52.000You think it's likely a judge would say, reverse this until we can hear the case?
01:20:33.000Two bases of federal court jurisdiction.
01:20:35.000Either there has to be a federal question, meaning it's a federal, you're suing under a federal law, or there's diversity jurisdiction, which means the parties are from different states and there's at least $75,000 at issue.
01:20:45.000So this would be a state law, so it wouldn't be a, probably wouldn't be a federal question, although they might make a First Amendment claim.
01:20:51.000I'm not exactly, I'd have to reread my work to think about how that would work.
01:20:54.000But it's certainly diversity, so they could remove it into federal court in Texas.
01:20:57.000So let's say, in the federal court, the judge hears it and says, I understand Section 230, but we have a free speech issue where the First Amendment is supposed to protect the rights of the individual, and if Texas is protecting the speech rights, the First Amendment can't supersede that, so I rule in favor of the complainant, right?
01:21:33.000You'd appeal that to the Federal Appeals Court, so that would be the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
01:21:38.000Then they would have a fairly quick hearing on the injunction.
01:21:43.000And then if they lose there, they can appeal So let's say they agree with you, and then YouTube appeals again, then it goes to Supreme Court?
01:21:55.000If the Supreme Court agrees with me in that case, would it impact the rest of the country?
01:22:00.000Depends on how they wrote the opinion, right?
01:22:02.000So if they write it in unpublished or non-precedential, it wouldn't, but they could just as easily write a precedential opinion on the injunction if they wanted to, and then that would be binding law.
01:22:15.000Sometimes they don't like putting out precedential opinions if it's a very new issue.
01:22:20.000They kind of want to let lower courts handle it and get more reasoned opinions.
01:22:24.000Also, in a rush, they don't like putting out, because part of the thing is, whenever they make a rule, it affects everyone, everything, a variety of different body of law.
01:22:33.000So oftentimes, like, when they're forced to issue a ruling or an opinion on kind of short notice, because it's an injunction, they are reluctant to make it, like, precedential.
01:22:42.000So there are reasons, you know, they want, so whenever something's precedential, they want to be careful and give it full review.
01:22:47.000So there's some reason, you know, in a very, very emergency circumstance, they might issue, like, a non-precedential opinion.
01:22:53.000It seems tough though. It seems like the likelihood throughout the Texas...
01:22:58.000First, the Texas judge is probably going to side with you because the Texas law says you can't do this.
01:23:01.000But then they're going to kick it to a federal court and then you have what? The first federal
01:23:07.000judge, the appellate, and then the Supreme Court? Yeah, I mean probably wouldn't even...
01:23:12.000The state judge might grant you that immediate temporary restraining order before the case is removed to federal court.
01:23:16.000Could the federal judge say, I don't want to hear it?
01:23:19.000Federal judge could... I mean, the federal judge could maybe say there's not even a federal court... I mean, it's possible there's not jurisdiction?
01:23:38.000So basically, Texas is granting you the right to this platform to speak, and the federal government would have to deny you that right.
01:23:45.000Right, exactly, which is sort of... And there's precedent in different contexts where... Not in the tech context, but it's like in the union stuff.
01:23:54.000There was some Supreme Court case where the Supreme Court said something like, if a federal law preempts a state right that grants the right to speak, that's a First Amendment issue.
01:24:04.000And there's a first amendment prohibition against that.
01:24:06.000I wonder if you were suing YouTube, for instance, in Texas, but if YouTube's like a Delaware corporation, and you were in Texas, would that didn't automatically be across state lines and immediately become a federal issue?
01:24:17.000So this is another classic 1L civil procedure issue, which is a corporation is located in its principal place of business and its place of incorporation for diversity purposes.
01:24:26.000So Google's a primary place of business in California, Delaware corporation.
01:24:30.000So if you are a resident of either Delaware or California, diversity jurisdiction wouldn't be available.
01:24:36.000But if you were a resident of Texas, it would.
01:24:39.000Man, I think there's an easier solution to this.
01:24:42.000I think, Ian, you were saying in three months we can have this thing up and running?
01:24:44.000That was one person mentioned that if we had 10 dedicated full-time developers that it could be ready in three months.
01:24:50.000So it's like optimal pie in the sky, I think, three months.
01:24:54.000But yeah, something, I mean, within the year for sure, I would imagine.
01:24:56.000But what if we got like a hundred, you know, open source community, active communication in a discord server?
01:25:29.000Now, Mines was smart about this, and they implemented a way to make money on Mines as well, and the token's actually worth like three bucks now, so all my videos automatically post on Mines and everything.
01:25:40.000But for most people, they need to make money.
01:25:43.000We want to make a way that you get an open source piece of software free for everyone that makes it very easy to install a website.
01:27:03.000We want to add a networking functionality because the next big thing about YouTube is that it markets you for you.
01:27:12.000Instead of buying marketing like a traditional show, if YouTube likes you and thinks they'll make money off of you, they'll start promoting your work.
01:27:19.000So what we want to add to these websites is a networking section that's part of the package.
01:27:23.000Now you'll have on your site the ability to remove certain people so they won't appear on your site, certain words, phrases, or things.
01:27:32.000So then if someone goes to TimCast.com, Then this software allows people to comment, be users.
01:27:38.000It's connected to the Fediverse, so the networking section functions like chat rooms or Twitter, but then they can also see recommended shows that are very similar based on keywords.
01:27:46.000So it'll be like Human Events and, you know, Carl Benjamin, Lotus Eaters Podcast, and then they'll be like, oh cool, and they can get that recommendation feed like they would on any other platform, but it's a decentralized network of people just running these sites.
01:27:57.000I was just thinking a cool feature would be if you opted in for your site to be found on other sites, then Tim could put my site on his site.
01:28:05.000And if someone found me through Tim's site, Tim would get 5% of the revenue.
01:28:10.000So you would be able to opt into that.
01:28:46.000Well, those are other services you can't get around.
01:28:48.000But there won't be a Patreon CEO who bans you.
01:28:51.000There won't be a Jack Conte who bans you.
01:28:53.000And then in order to, he's the CEO of Patreon, in order to then network with other people, it's in the Fediverse.
01:29:00.000And the Fediverse, for people who don't know, is basically like a Twitter protocol where different servers can communicate with each other.
01:29:05.000So you could follow someone on Gab, but also see them on a different server, a different website altogether.
01:29:12.000So then we basically create probably the way it should be.
01:29:16.000If we do that, we don't need Section 230.
01:29:37.000But I mean, you know, some people, I still have a problem, like people underestimate how effective law can be solving at particular types of problems.
01:29:44.000You know, I mean, we've we've got a lot of there's a lot of background for how to solve common carrier type problems and discrimination type problems.
01:29:51.000I mean, that's that's the whole thing Clarence Thomas wrote about.
01:29:53.000You know, he wrote, you know, went through, you can make big tech a combat carrier, you can make them
01:29:58.000have public accommodation laws, and then you create private rights of action. Like, you don't need a
01:30:04.000bureaucracy to solve civil rights. Like, you literally can just do it through people litigating.
01:30:08.000Very briefly, how do you feel about legislating gun rights?
01:30:11.000Like, saying, limiting people's gun rights when there are 3D printers
01:30:14.000that can print those weapons in secret?
01:30:16.000I mean, I basically think I'm a constitutionalist on that.
01:30:23.000We shouldn't, you know, guns that are in common use shouldn't be regulated.
01:30:27.000I think, you know, I mean, I'm not, I guess I wouldn't say I'm an absolutist in the sense that I think all current gun laws are unlawful or something via the Second Amendment because I think even at the time of the founding there were some restrictions out there.
01:30:40.000And I think, I mean, I remember there was some stuff you were saying about, like, for example, I think it's okay to prohibit, like, violent felons from owning guns, right?
01:31:07.000But, you know, I mean, I saw you were going through the Dante Wright case and be like, that person shouldn't have been arrested or whatever for the gun.
01:31:13.000Well, but there's also the aggravated robbery, which is a different story.
01:31:16.000Well, I mean, but yeah, like my view is, okay, so the guy gets out, you know, he's, he's arrested for aggravated robbery and indicted and trial dates in two years.
01:32:26.000And on the application, she said that she was a felon.
01:32:29.000And her felony, as she explained it, was that she was arrested for sleeping in an airport.
01:32:34.000She was there, she overstayed her ticket, and she remained in the airport, so they eventually arrested her with a felony for being in an airport without a ticket.
01:32:41.000And then they gloated about how they would not hire her, and they were like, as if we would hire that person.
01:32:46.000And I'm like, she's trying to work a minimum wage job selling smoothies, dude.
01:32:49.000Yeah, no, I mean, that's a different, actually a different issue where I'm, like, totally okay with certain government programs to, like, subsidize the hiring of people.
01:32:56.000It's not necessarily what I, you know, just what I mean.
01:32:59.000I'm just saying, if someone knows, no matter what I do, I am going to be a second-class citizen, why would, yeah, why would they bother reforming themselves or trying to come back into society and doing better?
01:34:08.000In 1789, were there 15-year-olds who owned their own property and were, you know, running their own businesses?
01:34:13.000Like, there are still those possession laws, right?
01:34:15.000For example, Rittenhouse, I mean, he, like, I'm pretty sure, I know they're trying to prosecute him for unlawful possession of that firearm, but my reading of the law says it was lawful.
01:34:27.000I'm actually just giving a very harsh interpretation of 2A.
01:34:31.000I don't think 13-year-olds should be allowed to buy guns or have guns.
01:34:34.000I think there should be... It is difficult, though, and the reason I say this is back then, you know, way back when, The age limits were much lower for a lot of things. We've
01:35:28.000Anyway, let's read Super Chats, my friends.
01:35:31.000Thanks for hanging out on this Friday night.
01:35:32.000I know many of you probably want to be out drinking and partying, but you're here listening to the very important conversations over at TeamCastIRL.
01:37:04.000I was listening to some podcast by Ryan Holiday and he was talking about if you own a farm you get much more familiar with death broadly because you own chickens and they die.
01:37:12.000They had parasites, and we immediately went to a vet, was provided with medicine, and the medicine wasn't enough.
01:37:21.000We called the chicken farmer guy who we bought it from, and he's like, look, sometimes there's weak chickens, they don't make it, and you try everything.
01:37:31.000And so we were sad, you know, two of them didn't make it, but these ones we have that are six are... Six are awesome.
01:37:35.000One of them almost died, so they were getting sick, and when we started giving medicine, two didn't make it, so we immediately, one of them that looked like it may be a little sick, we immediately just started giving it the medicine, and it's smaller than the rest, because I think it would have died if we did not give it that medicine.
01:37:50.000But we're going to be setting up a series of cameras.
01:37:53.000It's going to be 24-7, live, chicken cam.
01:38:20.000Uh, they're smart enough to know not to drink their water, water that's full of feces, but they're not smart enough to not take a dump in their water.
01:38:30.000So, so Andy, who does the construction stuff around here, he was like, they're right in that sweet spot where they won't drink the water with the crap in it, but they're not smart enough to not crap in their water.
01:40:16.000The worst is that people... Diamond hands!
01:40:17.000I don't know anything about Bitcoin or cryptocurrency, but there's apparently like the keys where you can get into your...
01:40:24.000Money, but there's people who lost them and there's no way to get them back.
01:40:29.000And so I was reading this article and it's guys in there who have, this one guy was like, yeah, I have $2 million in Bitcoin, just a normal guy.
01:41:13.000There was a post by Bruce Campbell, where it was on April 1st, so nobody thinks it's real, probably an April Fool's joke, where it's a script from Doctor Strange, where Doctor Strange goes to Evil Dead, and he sees Ash, who's got the chainsaw arm or whatever, and then he's like, I'm looking for the Darkhold, and then he's like, what's that?
01:41:31.000He's like, it's a book, and he goes, does it have a face on it?
01:41:33.000And then Doctor Strange is like, what?
01:41:35.000Because, you know, you've seen Evil Dead, right?
01:41:37.000The Necronomicon's got a face on it or whatever.
01:43:01.000All right, Wayne Smith says, quote, the FBI has made an average of more than four arrests a day, seven days a week since January 6th, says acting Deputy Attorney General John Carlin.
01:43:10.000They can do it for the Capitol, but can't do it for looters and rioters.
01:44:13.000And, uh, I think it was Vosh who was tweeting that in the event things fall apart, it stands to reason you don't only want the right-wing militias to be armed.
01:44:26.000Well, I mean, that's, that's Weather Underground too.
01:44:28.000Like, again, I've read this, I read this whole book about, uh, days of rage, which I can recommend by, uh, uh, Bill Burroughs, I think.
01:44:35.000And something that, you know, Bill Ayers, like, was famous for being in front of, like, a Weather Underground conference, and he's like, do you guys own a gun?
01:47:04.000I know, I mean, Ayers wrote some things, but I don't... He didn't write rules for radicals.
01:47:08.000He might have written some, like... It's possible he wrote something for radicals, but...
01:47:13.000That's not, that was Alinsky, which I think most people should read.
01:47:16.000I think, you know, Alinsky dedicated it to Satan, I think, as the first radical.
01:47:21.000And I just see that as, maybe, I mean, my Harry Potter, I'm a little rusty, but it's like a horcrux, it's something designed to prevent, it's something designed to prevent, like, conservatives from reading it.
01:47:29.000Like, they see them like, oh gosh, terrible.
01:47:31.000Horcrux preserves the soul of the person so they can't die.
01:47:35.000Okay, well then I have no idea what I'm talking about.
01:49:21.000See, we're open to differences of opinion.
01:49:23.000I got mixed feelings because I agree with you, but I also acknowledge the United States is an act of civil disobedience.
01:49:30.000Right, you know, this is sort of the dilemma.
01:49:31.000I mean, this is the Hamilton dilemma, right?
01:49:33.000Hamilton really quickly realized, like, hey, you know, we can't just be revolting all the time.
01:49:37.000People actually do need to respect lawful authority.
01:49:40.000And, you know, that's, I mean, part of... Now that we've removed the king, everybody must stop revolting because I'm in charge now and must respect me.
01:49:49.000Yeah, but I mean, he was second in command.
01:49:53.000Hamilton basically built the federal government.
01:49:55.000We sort of underestimate that, but the primary author of the Constitution, responsible for many of the early departments and the plan for manufacturers and economics.
01:50:06.000But yeah, I mean he was you know, he was sort of a half monarchist in his own way and anyway So I'm a big believer in law and order.
01:50:13.000So yes, we were founded on revolution.
01:50:14.000That's great Like we don't want to have revolutions every week Steven Sherman with a massive super tip says you are a Republican You just know don't know how our freedom works together now Do you mean like little are Republican as in like the Republic or the political party because I'm not a fan of the Republican Party Well, I remember still, I always chuckle because I remember we had like a conversation before we did one of our shows, like a YouTube show a couple years ago.
01:50:37.000We had a conversation where you're like, Will, you know, it seems like we agree on everything and yet you're a Trump guy.
01:50:57.000I don't know, like, I was always, you know, my view of, you know, I can be annoyed at the Republican Party, but at the end of the day, like, I don't think it's responsible to let Democrats have power if it can be avoided.
01:51:37.000The issue is when the left believes things that aren't true and you confront them with the truth and they lose their minds because of it, or they don't want you to say things that can conflict their worldview.
01:51:52.000We were watching a lot of the Scientology and the Aftermath, the Leah Remini show, and Scientology gets all this flack for disconnection, which is the policy where somebody leaves the church, their whole family needs to disconnect from them.
01:52:05.000And I'm like, this is what woke liberals do.
01:52:07.000Woke liberals watch the show and are like, oh, that's crazy.
01:52:27.000I'm not entirely sure how you really could be a fan of the show.
01:52:32.000If you're also unwilling to actually just stand up for yourself and say, I just happen to like the show.
01:52:38.000There's nothing more freeing than being in this space, honestly.
01:52:40.000Like, at least, you know, I don't have to worry about Twitter, I don't have to worry about somebody else, but at the end of the day, like, I don't have to worry that I'm gonna say something that leads to me being fired, and I don't have to worry about saying something that, you know, I just can say what I think.
01:52:54.000The thing is, for most conservatives that come on this show, this show is leftward for them.
01:52:58.000No conservative's gonna be like, Will, why are you talking to Tim Pool?
01:53:01.000Don't you know he was yelling about taxing the rich?
01:53:12.000But if we cross that line to the tribal left, Or I should say, I'm sorry, if the tribal left crosses a line in this direction toward rightward, then they get harassed and berated and attacked.
01:55:46.000VBDC says by the way Kalin from from scriber was on your show
01:55:50.000Lydia said we know him. That's why we wanted to talk about him getting brutally beaten. Yes, that was the context of
01:55:56.000the segment Here's a guy who's willing to go on the ground and actually risk his safety to get his information versus CNN, who surround themselves with security guards while complaining about guns and lying to people.
01:56:32.000There was a big announcement that as of the 15th, you're allowed to have some swearing, moderate profanity, at a certain point to the other.
01:57:11.000FineCastleIE says, congrats on the 1 million, Tim and cast.
01:57:14.000Since OurPillow was a success, would you ever sell a t-shirt called Our Gorilla with the gorilla wearing a beanie holding a hammer and sickle?
01:57:26.000But I think... That's a Jordan Peterson... Well, hold on.
01:57:30.000Seamus of Freedom Tunes made a joke about it.
01:57:34.000Jordan Peterson apparently said something to this effect where, uh, I guess Seamus pointed out that in a lecture, Peterson said, like, what are you even anyway?
01:57:42.000You're a chimpanzee full of snakes or some approximation of that.
01:58:12.000Look man, I think Jordan Peterson's great, but...
01:58:15.000A lot of people who are passive viewers of him don't realize he says a lot of things that you would absolutely be baffled by unless you- Without context.
01:58:23.000Yeah, without the full context of his lectures.
01:58:26.000Like the snakes and the- It never struck me.
01:58:35.000Brown Bear says, if I'm stuck in traffic because of a bunch of protesters decided to protest in the middle of the street, I immediately hope whatever their cause is fails, no matter what it is.
01:59:53.000Nick Nast says, Hey all, I was listening a few days ago and heard Ian mention he was looking for a PHP developer for the open source project.
02:00:00.000I emailed Info and Jobs at TimCast but got no reply.
02:01:18.000All right, Waffle Sensei says, Will is correct about not voting while having a felony.
02:01:22.000The felony will come off your record eventually, and if we expect immigrants to follow the law to get in, we should expect citizens to follow higher classified laws to vote on those laws.
02:01:32.000Is there a period after you leave prison as a felon you get your voting rights back?
02:01:36.000Um, I mean, I think if your felony is expunged... Yeah, but how do you, but not, that's like... Some felonies don't get expunged, I assume.
02:01:44.000I don't know, I don't know the details of that, but that's not, you know, I don't, I don't rely on his rationale for saying why felons shouldn't have voting rights.
02:02:56.000We have so many resumes, and there's a lot of people who email us who have no experience, and are like, you know, I work in a warehouse, but I can totally do this, I swear.
02:03:06.000And it's like, look man, I'm glad you guys are interested, I'm glad you're fans, but it's really difficult to quality control everything, and we literally can't hire someone who doesn't know how to do a job to do a job.
02:03:17.000It's hard enough because we're not Joe Rogan level.
02:03:22.000So we're trying to get top-level people at premium rates, essentially, and it's very difficult.
02:03:29.000If we want to make this work, we're going to need some talented, free-thinking individuals who are the best of the best at what they do, or to the best of our ability, the best based on how much we can afford to spend.
02:03:41.000I should say I'm not specifically looking to hire a PHP developer.
02:03:45.000I want to get in touch with people that are doing that and then bring you into our Element chat, our Fediverse chat, and we'll go from there.
02:03:51.000Yeah, and the open source project too is external.
02:04:28.000I want to do like short sketches of changing movies and it's like just ending movies very easily by getting rid of the deus ex machina or the idiot plots.
02:06:42.000But the Constitution says shall not be infringed, and so long as we're not incarcerating someone anymore, I don't like the idea of a permanent lingering effect that strips you of your rights.
02:06:49.000Are we at like 5-zip in the... Will, are you paying these people?
02:07:03.000And a lot of the Super Chats want to have their opinion heard when there's an opinion on the show and they disagree with, and then we read their opinion because it's typically not agreeing with me, and that's the point.
02:07:39.000I think we need to have prison reform.
02:07:41.000I think the bigger problems aren't so much Whether or not a felon should have a gun, it's more so what's resulting in crime, poverty, felonies anyway.
02:07:49.000I don't think people are inherently evil.
02:07:52.000I think we have problems that need to be solved that could root out a lot of the issues.
02:07:56.000The problem is you have a political class hellbent on manipulating people into making these problems worse so they can sustain their power.
02:08:05.000And it's true for the left and the right, unfortunately.
02:08:08.000More so, I would say, on the left, to be completely honest, hence why we find ourselves in this position with the establishment left lying and manipulating and cheating, and sometimes conservatives saying dumb things, but... It's the rule of the left and the exception on the right.
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02:12:47.000There are probably a lot of people who are like, you know, I don't care to watch a talk show, but I'd love to see a standup comedy thing from somebody with multiple comedians.
02:12:55.000The other thing we're going to do too is periodic, very, very special events that would be effectively pay-per-view where it's like, I would like to get prominent comedians to do a show as if it were any other venue.
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02:13:33.000So I will say my two cents on this is that I think the issue that the guys are talking about is entirely cultural, which is not something that you can fix from the top down.
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