Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Former VICE Editor-In-Chief In Studio With BREAKING News

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:28.000 How's it going everybody?

00:00:33.000 Joining me tonight, I have a very special guest and someone you actually already know.

00:00:38.000 Emily, not to discredit you as not being special, but most people who see my stuff might know who you are.

00:00:42.000 So Emily's hanging out, but we also have Rocco Castoro, who's not been on the show before.

00:00:47.000 Yeah.

00:00:47.000 Former editor-in-chief of Vice.

00:00:49.000 Yes.

00:00:50.000 Give us a look on your face.

00:00:52.000 Hi.

00:00:53.000 Hello.

00:00:54.000 So you guys have a breaking story.

00:00:57.000 And so we're going to talk a bit.

00:00:58.000 But the story that you guys have is it's about weapons trafficking.

00:01:04.000 The Pentagon.

00:01:05.000 It's about specifically... What happened to the light?

00:01:07.000 I don't know.

00:01:07.000 Yours is a little dark.

00:01:08.000 Oh, man.

00:01:09.000 It's all good.

00:01:10.000 Specifically about the 1MDB scandal and a lot of shenanigans, let's say, that came around there.

00:01:17.000 Recently, Elliot Broidy, the former deputy co-finance chair of the RNC, might remember him as such great as hits as having to pay a former Playboy Playmate, who Bloomberg claimed he coerced into having an abortion, $1.4 million, and then he had to step down from the RNC.

00:01:34.000 I don't know anything about what that was.

00:01:35.000 Well, you can Google that.

00:01:36.000 And recently he got indicted for foreign influence Crimes related to foreign influence surrounding the 1MDB scandal, and previously an associate of his, Nicky Lum Davis, was indicted back in August for similar things.

00:01:50.000 Well, we... It kind of felt like manna from heaven.

00:01:54.000 We got a cache of documents that resulted in other caches of documents.

00:01:59.000 that relate to the 1MDB scandal, but specifically we have honed in on

00:02:06.000 invoices or quotes I guess you could say both within this cache that concern

00:02:11.000 MRAP logistics and support. MRAP are armored vehicles, they're made by the US

00:02:17.000 government armed forces that are used, they're actually mine resistant

00:02:21.000 vehicles right so they look the size of a school bus. This particular document

00:02:26.000 has to do with a quote for you know something about what is it 13 million or

00:02:33.000 something for the original quote? Oh the original? Mm-hmm.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, I think it might be around 15.

00:02:42.000 We'll get in on it.

00:02:43.000 My camera is on the fritz right now.

00:02:44.000 That'll be up in about 10 minutes.

00:02:46.000 You guys can watch it.

00:02:47.000 Maybe we'll come back to that.

00:02:49.000 Long story short, what is this?

00:02:50.000 Government malfeasance?

00:02:53.000 The story starts in 2015, so it's kind of a beautifully apolitical story because it overflows between administrations.

00:02:59.000 Interesting.

00:03:00.000 It started with Obama.

00:03:01.000 Well, and it leads into... Brody also had a company called Sursonist.

00:03:06.000 That's an open source intelligence company, is what it's referred to, and does other things too.

00:03:10.000 But he was kind of selling packages that were related to some of these government matters.

00:03:15.000 Well, we'll have to start from the beginning.

00:03:17.000 So before we get into all that... Allegedly, by the way.

00:03:19.000 So, Rocco Castoro.

00:03:20.000 To the court of the documents.

00:03:21.000 Former editor-in-chief of Vice.

00:03:22.000 And now, uh, now what are you doing?

00:03:24.000 I'm working for a little outlet called Scanner, or Scner, or S-C-N-R.

00:03:30.000 It's whatever you want it to be.

00:03:31.000 So this is one of the first updates we've done in a really long time about Scanner.

00:03:37.000 So we started it a while ago with Subverse, and now it's Scanner, and you guys have basically been leading the charge on all that stuff.

00:03:44.000 And now you have a big breaking story, which we'll get into.

00:03:47.000 Everybody, I think... Well, not everybody, but this is Emily Mollie.

00:03:49.000 This is Emily.

00:03:50.000 I don't know, do you want to introduce yourself?

00:03:51.000 Yeah.

00:03:52.000 Do you want to put your mic up?

00:03:53.000 I'm Emily Molly.

00:03:55.000 I have been working for Subverse Slash Scanner since, what, February 2019?

00:04:03.000 About?

00:04:04.000 And then, yeah, so now I was primarily doing on-the-ground reporting covering social movements, civil unrest, and All kinds of other things.

00:04:14.000 And then, yeah, I started doing this full-time, did some, just would typically write and do desk presentations of everything from, like, cyber security to, like, geopolitics and all kinds of, like, different technology stories while doing my on-the-ground coverage.

00:04:31.000 And now we just kind of, like, flip the format a little bit to more just field reporting, straight-up field reporting.

00:04:36.000 And yeah, Rocco came in and helped set all of that up.

00:04:39.000 You know how I know you guys are, like, real journalists?

00:04:42.000 You're boring.

00:04:43.000 Okay, let's spice it up.

00:04:45.000 So, did you lose any money on the election?

00:04:47.000 No, of course not.

00:04:48.000 I'm not gonna bet on it.

00:04:48.000 You sure?

00:04:49.000 I'm not gonna bet on it.

00:04:50.000 I didn't bet, did I?

00:04:51.000 No, I like to gamble in a casino with, like, a set amount of money for fun.

00:04:53.000 But the odds are probably more accurate than the polls, I would say.

00:04:56.000 Yeah, but they were flipping around.

00:04:58.000 They were.

00:04:58.000 But that's odds for you.

00:05:00.000 We'll spice it up.

00:05:02.000 Subscribe, like button, notification bell.

00:05:04.000 You know what to do.

00:05:04.000 Show's Monday through Friday live.

00:05:07.000 I do want to start talking about with media and stuff, though, because I've not had an opportunity to sit down with you and talk about everything in the media.

00:05:15.000 I think a lot of people need to understand, when digital media was taking off, you were basically the dude.

00:05:23.000 I mean, you can say that.

00:05:24.000 That's awfully nice of you to say.

00:05:26.000 I mean, I was certainly a pioneer, if that's not too lame of a word to use.

00:05:31.000 I was at a spot where new media, as they called it back in my day, which obviously was a faulty term because it won't be new for long.

00:05:39.000 was seen as some savior, you know, where BuzzFeed had trending, LOL, LOS, and you know, Vice was the bad boys,

00:05:47.000 right?

00:05:47.000 And then, you know, Vox was the serious, hey, we got Ezra Klein over here and we have Chorus, this CMS product.

00:05:54.000 They were, in other words, they were valued like tech companies, but they had no product.

00:05:58.000 Their content was the product.

00:05:59.000 They tried to show that they had a product, whether that be data, this or that, and if you look at their valuations, it follows suit, where you have a bunch of companies where people probably have super voting shares and stuff, and now they've taken haircuts that have brought them down to, you know, less than a billion, which is really... Where did five billion bucks go?

00:06:16.000 Well, that was the largest, that was the highest valuation.

00:06:19.000 Yeah, it was like 5.7 though, wasn't it?

00:06:20.000 The BuzzFeed was like upwards of two.

00:06:22.000 You know, people put a half a billion bucks in each of these companies, essentially, anywhere from three to five hundred, you know, million.

00:06:28.000 Where'd the money go?

00:06:29.000 I don't know.

00:06:29.000 It probably went through ad fraud, which the DOJ has been investigating for years now.

00:06:33.000 And something like, we've been talking to this guy, Dr. Augustine Fowle, who's an ad fraud researcher out of Canada, who's very well respected.

00:06:41.000 A lot of his research, first of all, that he references on his Twitter is amazing.

00:06:46.000 And the research he participates in is also amazing.

00:06:49.000 And we've discovered, you know, upwards of 80% of budgets are screwed up.

00:06:55.000 In terms of most budgets account for 20% of fraud and you should be looking at 40 to 50%.

00:06:59.000 So let's, let's, let's, let's slow down.

00:07:02.000 So you've got like, can you name some websites specifically that have done stuff like this?

00:07:06.000 Well, it's very difficult to classify this.

00:07:09.000 So you get everything from traffic assignment letters, which Variety and a bunch of other sites, Digiday, have written about concerning Vice, which is where other domains trade the sales of their ads for their traffic.

00:07:20.000 You can assign it to yourself.

00:07:21.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:07:22.000 We'll slow down.

00:07:22.000 Are there any specific websites that you can name that have done things like this?

00:07:27.000 And then we'll explain what it is.

00:07:28.000 I would say the majority of new media websites during that time, as well as, I'd say, Any website that isn't going to be behind a paywall does this to an extent.

00:07:40.000 The percentage to which they do it is what the question is here.

00:07:45.000 You can be unwittingly participating in this because ad units get sold in a weird way.

00:07:49.000 The general idea is we've got big companies, big brands, some of the biggest digital media outlets.

00:07:55.000 And the money they're making is fraudulent.

00:07:59.000 They're basically selling ads, telling brands, if you put the ad on our website, you're going to get, what, like 100,000 clicks, right?

00:08:08.000 But then they're actually getting bots fake clicking.

00:08:11.000 It can be bots, it can be what's called ghost traffic, which is actually a legitimate click.

00:08:16.000 It's very technical, it's not really important.

00:08:18.000 It'd be like me, it'd be like me giving you Monopoly money.

00:08:20.000 I'd be like, hey Tim, here's a buck, and you give me a real quarter back.

00:08:23.000 And I keep doing that, right?

00:08:24.000 Eventually that defunds not only the market, but the US dollar and currency, because if you have a backlog of inventory that's flowing through the global advertising system, and you keep devaluing that based off fake clicks, that means, what does that mean?

00:08:37.000 I mean, it means that you're devaluing money.

00:08:40.000 Yeah.

00:08:40.000 It's not right.

00:08:41.000 And it hurts journalism because it allows bad actors to screw out the bottom line.

00:08:47.000 I think we started seeing... So I remember that era.

00:08:50.000 I remember, like, I think even Shane talked about it, the CEO of Vice.

00:08:54.000 But they were all for it.

00:08:56.000 Basically, they would assign their traffic to other companies so that you would think you were buying an advertisement on a high-profile website like Vice, but you were actually getting, like, Dose.com or something.

00:09:06.000 That's not fraud, though.

00:09:07.000 That was legal.

00:09:08.000 Right, right, right.

00:09:10.000 That was a traffic assignment trick.

00:09:12.000 But advertisers frown on that now.

00:09:14.000 You can't really be bona fide and do that anymore.

00:09:16.000 Comscore and Nielsen and all these companies have boxed you in on that.

00:09:19.000 So have you been paying attention to Vice lately?

00:09:22.000 Not really.

00:09:23.000 I left in 2015.

00:09:28.000 Sure, you can ask me questions.

00:09:29.000 I may have to give you a Glomar.

00:09:31.000 I can neither confirm nor deny.

00:09:33.000 I remember back in the day, when we first met especially, Vice was like edgy, hip, cool, kind of just doing whatever.

00:09:40.000 I think you had a video where you were like blowing stuff up or something?

00:09:43.000 Anarchist Cookbook, yeah.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:45.000 And then it started to become like Obama came in, you know what I mean?

00:09:49.000 I mean, yeah, I mean, there were certain, I felt like at some point maybe we were doing, or not just them, but, and I don't have any proof of this, but other outlets I know were.

00:09:59.000 I know that after I left, Vice worked with the Saudi government, for instance.

00:10:02.000 I feel like they were doing branded content for governments, and I think a lot of mainstream outlets do that.

00:10:07.000 I think a lot of supposedly independent outlets are doing that right now, and they're using botnets.

00:10:12.000 It's the same crap.

00:10:13.000 CNN did it.

00:10:14.000 Sure.

00:10:15.000 CNN would do... It was... I remember back in the day, CNN was accused of doing, like, nefarious backroom deals with companies.

00:10:22.000 Sure.

00:10:22.000 I'm sorry, with countries.

00:10:23.000 But then these countries would be like, no, no, no, it's a legitimate commercial buy.

00:10:26.000 It's like branded programming.

00:10:27.000 But Fox News did it with the whole Seth Rich thing, too.

00:10:29.000 I mean, that's under investigation right now.

00:10:31.000 What was that all about?

00:10:31.000 Well, there was a meeting between people in a room that had a lunch.

00:10:35.000 I can go ahead and name those people, but I don't want to get you sued.

00:10:37.000 And we're investigating that.

00:10:38.000 I think you would get sued.

00:10:40.000 Nah, I don't think I'm going to get sued, because it's the truth.

00:10:42.000 And, you know, these people all agreed.

00:10:45.000 Bitalski, I can name, because he's at the center of that.

00:10:47.000 Aaron Rich is currently, you know, going to get to the bottom of the truth.

00:10:51.000 And I think it was a very, very, very, very coordinated plan that was based off faulty, I don't mean faulty, a fake intelligence report actually made by Russian intelligence.

00:11:01.000 Whoa, like this was... The Seth Rich story.

00:11:04.000 Like when Fox Business published the Seth Rich story.

00:11:07.000 I know you've done videos on Seth Rich.

00:11:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:08.000 You've taken them down, which is, you know... Taken the videos down?

00:11:11.000 You've taken a couple down.

00:11:12.000 No.

00:11:13.000 Yes, you have.

00:11:13.000 I've had a bunch of videos removed.

00:11:15.000 For what?

00:11:16.000 I don't know.

00:11:17.000 This was a big deal.

00:11:18.000 My video on the Icelandic woman got removed as well.

00:11:18.000 Really?

00:11:21.000 Yeah, one day I got a list, someone sent me, that I had a bunch of videos on my channel that were no longer there.

00:11:27.000 That's it.

00:11:28.000 That's weird.

00:11:29.000 Yeah, it is.

00:11:30.000 You should inquire about that.

00:11:31.000 Yeah, because the videos I did on Seth Rich were not particularly definitive except for when Fox Business ran a story saying they had a laptop with definitive information or whatever.

00:11:42.000 Like, they had a laptop that claimed there was a communication between Rich and Wikileaks or something.

00:11:47.000 I remember that when I first started visiting, you know, you called me about possibly working with Subverse and doing some different stuff.

00:11:54.000 You told me straight up when you met with Assange that basically told you Seth Rich did it.

00:11:58.000 No.

00:11:58.000 You didn't say that?

00:12:00.000 No.

00:12:00.000 Dude, I wish!

00:12:01.000 Because then I went to Emily.

00:12:02.000 I didn't know Emily was there with you and I went to her and like asked her and she's like, No.

00:12:06.000 Yeah, I know.

00:12:07.000 Dude, if anything like that would have happened, I would have run out the door waving the papers.

00:12:13.000 Whoa, his videos are removed.

00:12:15.000 No, those videos got removed, and NBC used them to smear me.

00:12:20.000 So, Kim.com came out.

00:12:23.000 Yeah, I remember I signed Kim.com to you, actually, at Vice.

00:12:25.000 Advice.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, that was fun.

00:12:27.000 That was fun.

00:12:27.000 So, okay, we gotta slow down.

00:12:29.000 We gotta make sure everybody knows the context, man.

00:12:31.000 So, when I was at Vice, you told me to go to New Zealand or something?

00:12:36.000 No, no, it was that... I was supposed to go on some radio show instead.

00:12:40.000 Well, we'll walk back a little bit.

00:12:41.000 Like, you know, I had interviewed you in 2011, I think, because we did an issue of Vice that was called the Moral Compass Issue that was right around Crazy year that was kind of a lot like occupy right occupy

00:12:52.000 Wall Street And I think I had we'd done a photo shoot actually where we

00:12:56.000 put like guys and guy fox mask and like really high-end fashion

00:12:59.000 and you know, we just thought it was very Disruptive I guess and people seem to like it and we did if

00:13:04.000 we had to do fashion shoots It was part of the thing. I'm not a fashion guy, but that

00:13:08.000 was part of my job and got us money So, um, you know

00:13:12.000 I think I might have met you around that time because we were doing a lot of stuff around there and I think you know

00:13:16.000 You were reluctant at first to get do an interview Like I don't know what that's why I want to yeah. Yeah

00:13:22.000 And you were like, you know, you're very, rightfully so, I think, you know, very cautious about mainstream media.

00:13:29.000 Even for Vice at the time, this was 2011.

00:13:31.000 Right.

00:13:31.000 So like, and you know, this is before the HBO show, this is before things.

00:13:35.000 I started at Vice where Gavin had just gotten booted.

00:13:37.000 I've really never met Gavin, except we can talk about later the one time I did.

00:13:42.000 And, you know, I didn't really realize what was going on.

00:13:45.000 It was 2005, essentially, and started as an editorial assistant for Thomas Morton, who's one of my favorite people ever, and had the ride of my life where I became editor-in-chief a few years later, probably because no one else did.

00:13:57.000 So I was supposed to go on some radio program in Minnesota or something.

00:14:00.000 Sure.

00:14:00.000 Like it was a big national event.

00:14:02.000 And then I guess you told them to send me to New Zealand because I knew more.

00:14:08.000 But we gotta back up though because like I told Vice News to hire you because they were like trying to poach my people that I was working with or had.

00:14:15.000 They just put Jason Mojica, which we won't get into that right now.

00:14:18.000 You can Google who he is.

00:14:20.000 Uh, on board and, um, you know, I thought to myself, well, they need a lot of content filled.

00:14:25.000 They have no idea what they're talking about with news.

00:14:28.000 They're bringing that guy on.

00:14:29.000 I'm, you know, I know Tim's going to annoy the shit out of this guy.

00:14:33.000 So Shane said there was no Vice News before me.

00:14:36.000 Yeah, but that's not true.

00:14:37.000 I built the entire budget.

00:14:38.000 No, no, no, no.

00:14:39.000 But there was like the, they would, they would run kind of, they would put Vice News on it, but the official channel was supposed to be the things that didn't make HBO.

00:14:49.000 That's what Shane said.

00:14:50.000 Sure.

00:14:50.000 Once it got funded, but HBO wasn't around for about a year before Vice News.

00:14:55.000 After, sorry, after Vice News.

00:14:56.000 Then they got funded.

00:14:57.000 It was YouTube funded.

00:14:58.000 I had to talk to them.

00:15:00.000 I don't want to name everybody and drag everybody through.

00:15:02.000 I'm not going to name certain people, but I had to negotiate with them on actually doing the on the ground live stream stuff because they didn't want to do it.

00:15:10.000 No, that's not true, because I told them you should hire this kid to do live streams.

00:15:13.000 I was doing live streams.

00:15:13.000 No, they told me they didn't want to do it.

00:15:14.000 Well, it didn't really work out that way, did it?

00:15:16.000 No, it didn't.

00:15:17.000 I know.

00:15:17.000 Probably because you were telling them to hire me.

00:15:19.000 I was.

00:15:19.000 And then I said, why aren't you going to go send them?

00:15:21.000 You guys want big hits.

00:15:22.000 You're trying to poach my people.

00:15:23.000 Send Tim to Kim.com.

00:15:25.000 And then they wouldn't fund it.

00:15:27.000 I funded it.

00:15:28.000 I said, fine, here you go.

00:15:29.000 And you went.

00:15:30.000 I kind of regret that, because the video should have been higher production.

00:15:34.000 They had this thing there where it was constantly begrudgingly doing things.

00:15:39.000 Whatever.

00:15:41.000 That's the media.

00:15:42.000 You can't complain about that.

00:15:43.000 You've got to play the game if you're going to do it.

00:15:44.000 But we were talking about the Seth Rich stuff.

00:15:48.000 So, Kim.com, right?

00:15:51.000 I had, I think it was, I'm not going to say, I don't want to say any names, but one of the main directors called to me and says, do you want to go to New Zealand and interview Kim Dotcom?

00:16:00.000 Like the famous hacker guy.

00:16:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:02.000 And I knew a bit, I knew a decent amount about him already.

00:16:05.000 Sure.

00:16:05.000 And the concern was that the person they had normally had do interviews didn't know anything about these people.

00:16:09.000 I guess someone interviewed Assange before and it wasn't like substantive.

00:16:13.000 It wasn't good.

00:16:14.000 So I actually knew a ton, and then I don't know, you know, what capacity... Well, we have to go back in time when Kim Dotcom was... This was right when he was being, well... It was around the mega-upload stuff.

00:16:24.000 The mega-upload stuff.

00:16:25.000 So this is before Kim Dotcom was any sort of political spokesperson or force in any which way, shape, or form, except for, like, the same wavelength as Assange in terms of data rights and freedom, right?

00:16:35.000 He got raided by what, like, the MPAA in New Zealand.

00:16:39.000 So for those that don't know, Kim.com was an internet entrepreneur, never set foot in the United States, launched a company called Mega Upload, where you could host... It's like Google Drive, right?

00:16:50.000 Before there was a... Before there was Google Drive.

00:16:52.000 But people were using it for piracy.

00:16:54.000 You could upload a video and then search it and find movies.

00:16:58.000 So sure enough, they accused him of being a pirate.

00:17:00.000 And then eventually they raided his mansion compound in New Zealand.

00:17:04.000 And it was American interests with the New Zealand government that did it.

00:17:09.000 Well, I would imagine New Zealand probably had some interest in that too, for sure, in their partner countries.

00:17:13.000 But yes, sure.

00:17:14.000 So I ended up interviewing the guy.

00:17:16.000 We did the video.

00:17:17.000 The video took off.

00:17:18.000 It did really, really well.

00:17:20.000 And then where did you want to go?

00:17:22.000 You wanted to go back in time, but we were talking about something else.

00:17:24.000 to give it some context. Right, right, right, right on, right on. So since Kim.com amplified

00:17:29.000 the Seth Rich story so much, you know. Right. And he's just for Rahama, sorry. So then there

00:17:32.000 was this DNC email leak. And how did this, how did this even, this, this, this, this

00:17:40.000 like idea emerge? It was Assange, right? He was doing an interview and they asked him.

00:17:43.000 No, there was a, a fake SRV.

00:17:48.000 Or SVR?

00:17:48.000 I always get it confused.

00:17:50.000 Russian intelligence report.

00:17:51.000 But it was made by Russian intelligence.

00:17:53.000 And this is from the mouth of the prosecutor, essentially, working on the case at the time.

00:17:59.000 And she's retired.

00:18:02.000 Michael Itzkoff did a great thing called Conspiracyland on this.

00:18:06.000 I think your friend Cassandra's on that, too.

00:18:08.000 And she had something very close to that, and so did Luke Radalsky, who I also know from back in the days.

00:18:13.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 I still know Luke.

00:18:14.000 He had something on this?

00:18:15.000 Well, he was one of the very first people to run a story by Alice Donovan.

00:18:20.000 You know, I might get this wrong.

00:18:22.000 Sorry, I didn't research it.

00:18:23.000 Well, yeah, there were some posts made on We Are Change.

00:18:26.000 Alice Donovan, I believe, was the first one.

00:18:28.000 Well, Alice Donovan's named in both the Mueller Report, in which we don't need to get into that whole thing, but it's very clear when you look at the previous postings before Seth Rich that it's a Russian propaganda vehicle, right?

00:18:39.000 And what else did they talk about?

00:18:41.000 Like pro-Saad stuff?

00:18:44.000 Yeah, apparently there was certain pro-Assad talking points, I guess, being laundered through various blogs, and I think Alice Donovan was also one of the authors.

00:18:55.000 Interesting.

00:18:56.000 It was being laundered through places like Sputnik and RT, which Sandra was working at, but we know that an intelligence report, a fake one, that was used in collusion with a group of individuals, one

00:19:08.000 being the Fox News reporter that initially reported the story that had retract.

00:19:12.000 And now there's a bunch of lawsuits for it, but Talisky, et cetera.

00:19:14.000 So there was, I think it was a Fox Business article claiming that his laptop had communications

00:19:19.000 with WikiLeaks.

00:19:20.000 Yep.

00:19:21.000 And that was the basis for something I talked about.

00:19:23.000 And then someone asked me in like a live stream, did I think it was true or not?

00:19:27.000 And I was like, eh, 60, 70 percent or whatever.

00:19:30.000 And we literally had an article from Fox saying that they were communications, and that was the basis of it.

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 That was used by NBC to smear me, claiming I was pushing the conspiracy, but I was also saying, you know, Kim.com is claiming it's true, and I'm pretty sure I said in every video, these things never pan out, stuff like this doesn't happen, the likelihood there's evidence is probably slim to none, but I don't think kim.com is a liar.

00:19:51.000 I've met the guy, I've talked to him, and so I guess we'll, you know, we'll see how this, you know, plays out.

00:19:55.000 And then at some point, yeah, a bunch of videos got purged from my channel.

00:19:59.000 What you know is really irksome about this is that I discovered it because I had a video I produced in Norway called the Isdal Woman of Norway.

00:20:07.000 This is just me going to Bergen, Norway and talking, but this is the craziest thing.

00:20:11.000 I was talking to local researchers about a woman who was found dead in the, just outside of the city of Bergen.

00:20:19.000 She was like found face down in a fire pit, dead of smoke inhalation.

00:20:23.000 And they found a suitcase full of like passports and a bunch of other stuff.

00:20:26.000 It's a very famous, like, it's not a conspiracy story because it literally happened.

00:20:31.000 They just don't know who she was.

00:20:32.000 There's also the story, do you know the story of Talmud Shud?

00:20:36.000 It sounds familiar.

00:20:36.000 Guy in Australia washes up on shore.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:39.000 And then he's got a bunch of passports.

00:20:40.000 So I just talked to some locals.

00:20:43.000 And, like, you know, we were walking around in Bergen and we asked some locals, what's a good store?

00:20:46.000 And they said, ooh, the Isdal Woman, you know, the Ice Woman.

00:20:49.000 That video's gone.

00:20:50.000 And I love showing it to people because it was just a silly mystery video.

00:20:54.000 There was, like, all we did was talk folklore with locals.

00:20:57.000 I went on my channel because I would be like, check out this really old video we made.

00:20:59.000 It was really fun.

00:21:00.000 Gone.

00:21:00.000 Do you know a backup of it?

00:21:02.000 No.

00:21:02.000 No, no, no.

00:21:03.000 So, nowadays, all my videos I produce are backed up on, like, BitChute or Minds.com.

00:21:08.000 But that was a... But back then... And so then someone sent me an email saying, like, I mentioned it, and they were like, I went through and checked, and there was something like 30 videos that had been removed from my channel without me knowing.

00:21:18.000 Very interesting.

00:21:20.000 I have some ideas about Google and what Google wants, and what Facebook wants, and what the big tech companies are doing.

00:21:29.000 And a simple way to put it is, why, for some reason, my channel doesn't get removed?

00:21:34.000 Well, some of my videos have over 15 million views, and if you Google my name, you will not be able to find them.

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 You explain that one too.

00:21:42.000 And three of them have been removed.

00:21:44.000 You know, we had, uh, do you know who Alan Bakari is?

00:21:47.000 Uh, no.

00:21:48.000 Breitbart tech reporter.

00:21:49.000 He, we had him in, he wrote a book and he talked about how Facebook has, uh, and I'm probably gonna, you know, butcher what he was telling me.

00:21:49.000 Okay.

00:21:58.000 So just fact check this, that they're trying, they try to figure out what kind of content de-radicalizes people and then promote it as much as possible.

00:22:05.000 That's weird.

00:22:06.000 Yup.

00:22:07.000 That's so... Either which way, it's like a graphic.

00:22:09.000 So then when I hear like a bunch of my videos got removed, but it's, I don't want to get, you know, too conspiratorial.

00:22:17.000 Well, yeah, I guess, you know, but at the same time, it's like, if they're doing that and there's no explanation, there should be an investigation.

00:22:24.000 Into like why videos are gone?

00:22:25.000 Well, what you just said, if they're doing the de-radicalization or they're promoting the algorithm for some reason promotes,

00:22:31.000 and I'm not saying it's a human choice, somehow gets flipped in a way that inadvertently promotes radicalization

00:22:36.000 videos.

00:22:36.000 Like, we need to know about that as people. We need to have access to that data publicly.

00:22:39.000 The challenge is they don't know what, how do you define what is radicalizing?

00:22:45.000 Because it's subjective perspective.

00:22:48.000 The disingenuousness and the intent, which is a hard thing to prove, yes.

00:22:52.000 Very difficult.

00:22:53.000 Obviously if someone's putting out fake news, misinformation, and disruptive... But if someone says something like, my opinion on taxation is X.

00:23:01.000 Let me put it this way.

00:23:01.000 If you purposefully use things like botnets, malware, click fraud, ad fraud, and you use that to boost your message, that is fraud.

00:23:12.000 Absolutely.

00:23:12.000 And that defalues advertising.

00:23:14.000 It's 100% fraud.

00:23:15.000 If you call yourself a journalist or in the media doing that, I'm going to find you and I'm going to take your money out of your pockets.

00:23:20.000 And that's what I've been working on the past year.

00:23:22.000 I'm going to avoid saying some names.

00:23:24.000 Don't ask.

00:23:26.000 Their servers have already been scraped.

00:23:27.000 We hired 12Security, who's a renowned systems administrator.

00:23:32.000 Wait, am I supposed to assume who you're talking about?

00:23:35.000 You don't have to.

00:23:36.000 He's been in like the Washington Post and New York Times.

00:23:39.000 He discovered the worst.

00:23:40.000 Wait, I was going to tell you that.

00:23:42.000 He's discovered several zero-day exploits and he's like 29 from Texas, a maniac.

00:23:46.000 Wait, who?

00:23:46.000 Who's this guy?

00:23:47.000 His name's Dan Ehrlich.

00:23:49.000 Shoutouts to Dan.

00:23:51.000 So wait, you found stuff in newspapers or what?

00:23:54.000 Exploits breaking into them?

00:23:56.000 No, we have found a... I mean, we can talk about Cernovich site.

00:24:01.000 Is that his name?

00:24:02.000 Cernovich?

00:24:02.000 Cernovich.

00:24:03.000 I don't know who he is.

00:24:03.000 I never knew who he was until we started looking on his website.

00:24:06.000 These people don't really get on my radar because I have no interest in what they're talking about.

00:24:11.000 You know, we have a report here that talks about, you know, MAGA 3X.

00:24:16.000 Yeah, what is it?

00:24:17.000 Amplification.

00:24:18.000 Hashtag movement is what it could simply be, like hashtag MAGA 3X.

00:24:22.000 But we have, you know, there's pretty good evidence that it was used to arrange real-life flash mobs and certainly attract American sympathizers online who would agree to spread memes and conspiracy theorists and stuff like that.

00:24:33.000 And the reason we know that is because Jeff Ducea, you're familiar with Jeff Ducea?

00:24:36.000 No.

00:24:36.000 He wrote a kind of treaties on memetic warfare.

00:24:41.000 I don't think a lot of people understand that memes and memetics are like genes and genetics.

00:24:47.000 A meme is a unit of cultural currency, if you will.

00:24:51.000 So I know about MAGA3X.

00:24:53.000 It was literally Cernovich posting on Twitter.

00:24:56.000 It was something like, for every Trump supporter, get three of your friends and go out and do stuff.

00:25:00.000 I think that's how it started, but whatever it turned into was a lot bigger than that.

00:25:05.000 What was it?

00:25:07.000 Okay.

00:25:08.000 You've got the report on the spot there, Rocco.

00:25:10.000 I mean, look, there's... And what is this from?

00:25:13.000 Well, this is from Mike's DMs, right?

00:25:16.000 So, these very clearly spell out a conversation with, what's his name, Baked... Baked Alaska?

00:25:21.000 I don't know his real name.

00:25:22.000 Jeanette?

00:25:23.000 Something like that.

00:25:24.000 I really don't know these people.

00:25:25.000 So, I have no horse in this game.

00:25:27.000 I've tweeted at him, like, hey, I want to talk.

00:25:29.000 But, you know, this is, like, basically him and Baked Alaska having a falling out over Looks like right after or right before the deplorable.

00:25:38.000 So I think yeah, and you know, he actually, you know, this this thing baked Alaska makes it says, you know, I don't know if you can see that.

00:25:48.000 It's a meme.

00:25:48.000 It's a meme though.

00:25:49.000 I mean, like, yeah, so that that so that dude started getting more and more white nationalist.

00:25:55.000 Yeah, which resulted in him getting banned from social media, right?

00:25:58.000 And then he got booted from a bunch of events for posting these things and for like, Yeah, yeah.

00:26:03.000 No, it seems as such.

00:26:04.000 But I also know that around that time, various soup packs and super packs were formed at one of them, which was retroactively formed.

00:26:15.000 And also this talk of this amplification network and what we would assume is a botnet started to talk, started to form.

00:26:21.000 And we have very clear evidence that that was happening.

00:26:24.000 I know we've probably glossed over a lot of like too much stuff already.

00:26:27.000 Sure.

00:26:27.000 But just explain what a botnet is.

00:26:29.000 Well, botnet can be a misnomer because it's shorthand for sort of any amplification that's fraudulent or happens.

00:26:37.000 And it doesn't even have to be legal.

00:26:39.000 So, fraudulent would mean anything from, hey, 20% or 30% of my traffic is boosted through paid clicks or paid advertising.

00:26:48.000 It could mean I have malware on my machine that infects your machine and creates a ghost browser that, you know, can push 3,000 redirects in 10 seconds across the internet while your computer's asleep.

00:27:02.000 Basically, it's a network of robots.

00:27:03.000 It's a network of robots.

00:27:04.000 You can take over everyone's computer.

00:27:06.000 And it's gotten so good that AI, based off of documents, and this is something that you can see on Mike's servers, right, is like placed into a bunch of document bins, and the AI will do everything from tweet To do Facebook, to who knows, really.

00:27:20.000 That's beyond my technical level, but Dan and I, we were putting together a massive report on this that will be transparent.

00:27:26.000 We've already given the IPs over to a lot of people.

00:27:29.000 We've even found some... So what is it?

00:27:32.000 Like, what's the bottom line on it?

00:27:33.000 It's an amplification network that makes stories that are disingenuous and outright incorrect.

00:27:40.000 Stuff like the Seth Rich story.

00:27:42.000 It propagates that in a way that gets inside people's heads.

00:27:45.000 Everyone knows that memes do that.

00:27:46.000 And it's not a meme in the sense of a visual thing.

00:27:49.000 It's an actual cultural idea that becomes permanent.

00:27:52.000 It also commits fraud that monetizes this disingenuous action.

00:27:58.000 And it undermines U.S. security interest.

00:28:00.000 So you have a report saying that the intention is to...

00:28:04.000 No, I am reporting and parallel reconstructing various sources that I have that are exclusive and corroborating it.

00:28:12.000 And that's what we're doing.

00:28:13.000 I think part two of our report... A lot of this centers around a Chinese national named Guo Wengui, but we're not going to get into that, unless you want to.

00:28:20.000 But that stuff's bonkers.

00:28:23.000 We would have to sit here for four hours, which I would happily do.

00:28:26.000 The bottom line, what is it?

00:28:27.000 There's American interests that have created a... It's a national security issue.

00:28:30.000 And it's not just American interests.

00:28:31.000 Yeah, and it's a foreign relations issue, and it should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

00:28:36.000 But what is it?

00:28:37.000 What's happening?

00:28:38.000 You are undermining U.S.

00:28:39.000 security interest by, one, defunding legitimate journalism.

00:28:43.000 That's just from a professional standpoint, but we can put that aside.

00:28:46.000 Two, doing stuff like having spoof certificates on your website that can backdoor into what appear to be government servers.

00:28:53.000 That's at least from what I understand and what I'm looking at.

00:28:56.000 And I'm not going to be specific about whose server that is on, but he knows who it is.

00:29:00.000 And that, you'd agree that it's undermining national security interests if someone could do that, right?

00:29:04.000 Do what?

00:29:05.000 What?

00:29:05.000 False acceptance?

00:29:06.000 They could backdoor into government servers.

00:29:09.000 Of course.

00:29:09.000 Okay.

00:29:10.000 And three, it's disingenuous.

00:29:13.000 You know, stuff like McMaster's leaks and that kind of stuff is faulty and disingenuous.

00:29:18.000 Well, I guess what I mean is you're saying that there are international interests that have created an AI that can boost fake news, like disinformation?

00:29:26.000 No, I would say there's a blend of, okay, it's hypothetical, but let's say that I'm a country like, people forget that it's not just, it's not Russia or China or this.

00:29:35.000 Ever heard of a red hat hacker?

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:37.000 I'm banned from China because I tried to report on red hat hackers back in 2013.

00:29:41.000 So explain for people who don't know.

00:29:43.000 So people know what a black and white hat hack is.

00:29:45.000 Well, they don't.

00:29:47.000 They know like the Garth Brooks song.

00:29:49.000 I don't know who wrote it.

00:29:50.000 Good guys always wear white or whatever.

00:29:52.000 You know, like a black hat and a white hat cowboy.

00:29:55.000 You know that, right?

00:29:56.000 So, like, a red hat is, it really is a reference to communism because it's, it came out of a Chinese sort of, China didn't have the internet at the same time the U.S.

00:30:05.000 did.

00:30:06.000 And when they did, they got it, it was actually run through Hong Kong servers, the internet exchange there, right?

00:30:13.000 Only recently has mainland China gotten servers.

00:30:16.000 And those servers, you know, there's people before the great Chinese firewall, which is how China's internet is censored, right?

00:30:27.000 Stuff like Tiananmen Square, you can't watch it, right?

00:30:30.000 It's supposed to be removed, all references are supposed to be removed.

00:30:32.000 So, the redhead hackers are people that are security analysts, quote-unquote, that get to basically have free access to the internet in exchange for their services, which would be anything, you know, that's in line with the Chinese government's interest.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 And I interviewed several of these folks because it was right after Snowden.

00:30:48.000 I had a great time talking to them because we really spoke on the same wavelength.

00:30:51.000 I'm like, you don't, you're not even loyal to the Chinese government, you're loyal to the internet.

00:30:55.000 And they're like, yes, you get it, you get it, right?

00:30:58.000 It's true.

00:30:58.000 But if you're in China, and you want full access to the internet, you're gonna have to do that, right?

00:31:02.000 So the red hat hackers will always act in the interest of the nation state that they're from.

00:31:08.000 But at the end of the day, they're just hackers and hacker culture comes from the United States.

00:31:11.000 They're like pirates.

00:31:11.000 Yeah.

00:31:12.000 Like how pirates used to be.

00:31:13.000 So exactly.

00:31:14.000 And in exchange for their services, they basically immunity, right?

00:31:17.000 So if they can commit cyber crime on the side, It's a great way to plausibly deny influence from foreign actors.

00:31:23.000 Like, if I give you a bunch of malware and say, I'm going to put it on your servers, Tim, or whatever, and that amplifies your message, it helps me because it's on your servers.

00:31:34.000 Even if I'm maintaining the databases that it connects to and using those databases to sell it to all sorts of various actors, both legitimate and illegitimate, it's a great way for me to walk away from it and say, I didn't have anything to do with that.

00:31:47.000 That was all Tim, right?

00:31:48.000 Right.

00:31:49.000 It's how they did, it's how the pirates operated in the colonial eras, I guess it wasn't just one time, but they would give privateers, private warships, letters of marque, go do your thing, help us, and then we'll disavow all knowledge.

00:32:05.000 But, you know, you're free to loot and pillage our enemies.

00:32:08.000 So then you essentially have these hacker groups that the government can go, oh no, oh they're criminals, oh heavens, we didn't sanction these hackers, but they're doing things that help their nation state.

00:32:18.000 Right.

00:32:19.000 And the U.S.

00:32:19.000 is more reluctant to do that because, you know, in some ways it's an exploit against our freedom of speech and the boundaries of the law in the U.S.

00:32:27.000 for a free nation.

00:32:29.000 So are you saying that China was interfering in the U.S.

00:32:32.000 elections?

00:32:33.000 I'm saying that they've been long interfering along with many other actors that operate both in sync with nation-state interest as well as in their own interest.

00:32:41.000 And that's a pretty easy thing to understand.

00:32:42.000 And I think you also got to look outside of the election because it's not just the election.

00:32:46.000 This has been stuff that's going on beyond just decision-making at the highest ends of the government.

00:32:52.000 So like what's what's going on?

00:32:55.000 Well, let's get into the meat and potatoes!

00:32:56.000 Is this up?

00:32:57.000 Is this up?

00:32:58.000 Okay, well, people are being compromised at all levels of the government and also in private sectors.

00:33:03.000 Compromised how?

00:33:04.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:33:06.000 Well, whether you want to call them assets, spies, you know.

00:33:10.000 For China?

00:33:11.000 Not just China, but yeah, sure, we'll say that.

00:33:14.000 No, no, no, no, no, but for like international interests.

00:33:18.000 Yeah, because there are other countries that have mutually aligned interests and will work together or they'll just work on their own.

00:33:24.000 Right, right.

00:33:25.000 And I'll say China specifically has a very robust Ministry of State Security that spends billions of dollars on compromising Americans and they've done a lot of that already.

00:33:35.000 Do you guys know about how they were going after these university professors?

00:33:39.000 Yes.

00:33:40.000 Is that related to it?

00:33:42.000 Yes.

00:33:43.000 Really?

00:33:44.000 There's a list of spies and lists that have been used against databases.

00:33:49.000 Guo was a person that was very interested in this, we'll say.

00:33:53.000 And people like Michael Waller were very, or at least duped, or wittingly, unwittingly, the deposition isn't clear because pages are missing.

00:33:59.000 They used databases that were pre-existing.

00:34:02.000 So if I have a Facebook database and I have a healthcare database, and I know the spy names of 25 spies, right?

00:34:07.000 And I use enough interrelated databases just to kind of compare these things, I might be able to out who they are based off interrelated characterizations and psychographic data points, right?

00:34:17.000 But that's not definitive.

00:34:18.000 That's like... Well, it is definitive when you find out that Obama or somebody had 15 of them on a... Didn't Dianne Feinstein have somebody?

00:34:26.000 It butts up against security issues.

00:34:28.000 And you find that out very quickly, you know.

00:34:30.000 We had how many professors were taking money from China?

00:34:34.000 There's a hundred at Harvard, at least, according to the list.

00:34:36.000 Right now, you're saying there's a hundred?

00:34:38.000 It says something like that.

00:34:39.000 According, I don't know if the list we have are real or fake.

00:34:41.000 We're verifying.

00:34:42.000 Okay, that could be dangerously irresponsible.

00:34:45.000 No, I said it.

00:34:46.000 We don't know.

00:34:47.000 We know that the list being used to blackmail people has that on there, which is what's important.

00:34:52.000 In other words, we don't know if what we're looking at is both real and fake or mixed in between, but all three of those scenarios are very troubling.

00:35:00.000 Like, should I have called security before you guys came on to report this kind of stuff?

00:35:03.000 Well, the FBI called us the other day actually, unsolicited.

00:35:06.000 Really?

00:35:06.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 Well, I heard they, well, they also called someone else, you know, but I think he committed voter fraud.

00:35:13.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:35:15.000 I don't know.

00:35:16.000 I don't know if I can talk about it.

00:35:17.000 I don't know if Adam's talked about it yet, but he got a bit.

00:35:19.000 I don't know.

00:35:19.000 And I just saw someone sent me the tweet.

00:35:20.000 Nothing to do with fraud.

00:35:21.000 Well, ours was, we got a very pleasant, I got a voicemail from somebody.

00:35:26.000 I'm not going to say the name out of the blue.

00:35:28.000 And the voicemail was, I thought it was a prank.

00:35:30.000 Hey, uh, this is the Los Angeles Bureau of the FBI.

00:35:33.000 I've never talked to FBI.

00:35:34.000 FBI has never called me.

00:35:36.000 Or, you know, once at Vice when we unmasked the Syrian Electronic Army's, like, 15-year-old.

00:35:42.000 Oh, I remember that.

00:35:43.000 They came to the office, I said, talk to the CTO, get out of here, like, I don't want to talk.

00:35:47.000 And so, like, they call and they were like, hey, we're a big fan of your work.

00:35:49.000 Like, I'm like, uh-huh.

00:35:52.000 Or they didn't say that.

00:35:52.000 They said, we heard you have a tip.

00:35:54.000 They said that later when I called them back.

00:35:55.000 They said, we heard you have a tip.

00:35:58.000 Uh, we got a tip that you have a tip that you want to tell us.

00:36:00.000 That was what they left a message on.

00:36:02.000 I can play it for you, but I don't want to.

00:36:03.000 I heard from a guy that you got something to say.

00:36:05.000 I'm like, this is not real.

00:36:07.000 And so I called a lawyer, I know.

00:36:08.000 And they were like, uh, you need to call the switchboard.

00:36:10.000 Cause we've had some issues with this.

00:36:12.000 Find out if they're real, verify the number and then let us know.

00:36:16.000 And so I did that.

00:36:18.000 Turns out they were real and they work in the cyber crimes division.

00:36:21.000 Uh, I said, I don't have any tips for you.

00:36:23.000 I appreciate your kind words.

00:36:24.000 Just watch our videos and that'll be your tip.

00:36:26.000 Yeah.

00:36:27.000 So, um, I don't, I, then I found out later that they were actually, well, we'll get into that another time.

00:36:32.000 Yeah.

00:36:33.000 Okay.

00:36:34.000 Earlier this year, Mike Pompeo said that we have been infiltrated at all levels by the Chinese.

00:36:39.000 He's right.

00:36:39.000 And it's been, it's been like that for a while.

00:36:41.000 Yeah.

00:36:41.000 I assumed you were going to, you guys were, you would say something like, yeah, you're just saying like, oh yeah, of course.

00:36:45.000 Yeah, of course.

00:36:46.000 I'm sorry, we've been looking at this for months now, so I guess I'm a little desensitized to it.

00:36:50.000 Yeah, I'm like, wait, wait, hold on.

00:36:51.000 You have a list of compromised individuals by... That's insane, you guys!

00:36:54.000 No, no, we don't have it.

00:36:56.000 We're not saying that.

00:36:57.000 We have the list that Guo tried to, or he did scrape.

00:37:00.000 Well, we have a list that's been scraped.

00:37:04.000 And there's...

00:37:06.000 I know a lot about what Guo was looking for just because I've read like thousands of pages of depositions and court documents at this point and I know specifically he was looking for, he was looking for specific people and 15 of those people had basically, uh, their records are, it's illegal to look up their records because they are people who are either being investigated or cooperating with the government right now.

00:37:26.000 So wait, he was trying to find who the, the compromised people were?

00:37:29.000 Yes.

00:37:30.000 Yeah.

00:37:30.000 No, no, he was trying to find I wouldn't say they're necessarily compromised these 15 people are records

00:37:30.000 Interesting.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:36.000 protected Yeah, so whether those are you know

00:37:40.000 A lot of people allege that he's a dissident hunter and a lot of people say he's outing Chinese spies within the u.s

00:37:47.000 So it's sort of this question is like are these you know Is he actually looking for people who are cooperating with

00:37:52.000 the government or is he looking for people who are Chinese spies?

00:37:56.000 so that's the really big question that we've been investigating and

00:37:59.000 And we ended up with a list that we're working off of very slowly.

00:38:04.000 You have names?

00:38:05.000 We're not going to name any names.

00:38:07.000 We're smarter than that.

00:38:08.000 You want to be careful of what you ask for.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, we're excited.

00:38:14.000 But yeah, so we're going to be coming out with a lot more just in the process of this recording.

00:38:21.000 Is the next video up yet?

00:38:22.000 Yeah, so we just uploaded episode two of Scanner Investigates.

00:38:28.000 Yeah, continue, sorry.

00:38:30.000 And this one specifically, some of the investigating we've done around Elliot Broidy, and there's still more that we're doing with that, but specifically we went looking into some of the documents, one of which was a draft, basically a Calculation of MRAP parts, armored vehicles.

00:38:51.000 We talked a little bit about this earlier, but basically we went to Colorado to visit an office that used to make these kinds of deals to authenticate a certain document, which they did for us.

00:39:02.000 So people can go watch it and get a kind of bigger picture.

00:39:05.000 It's a very small part of this story that we're going to be continuing to report on.

00:39:09.000 But yeah, episode two's up now.

00:39:11.000 This spans administrations, you were saying?

00:39:14.000 It appears from some of the documents that we have, it appears to start in 2015.

00:39:19.000 Interesting.

00:39:20.000 So whether it involves Obama directly, we can't say for sure because he's not mentioned in the 2015 documents.

00:39:27.000 This is difficult to piece together.

00:39:30.000 I think you guys have been like staring at everything.

00:39:33.000 Why don't we read the top letter off that pile of documents?

00:39:36.000 Sure.

00:39:37.000 Can we read that?

00:39:37.000 Yeah, give us the elevator pitch.

00:39:39.000 So this is literally what's on top, the first page on a packet of documents that we got that we can only assume were used to leverage something somebody wanted because it's like what you would give to someone to be like, you're effed.

00:39:52.000 Right?

00:39:52.000 You're effed, and you better do what I say, because I got you on this.

00:39:56.000 So if you come after me... So it's damning information used to blackmail somebody.

00:40:00.000 Well, but it's all from what we believe to be evidence servers.

00:40:04.000 So you do the math.

00:40:05.000 Evidence servers?

00:40:05.000 Like government servers?

00:40:06.000 Yeah.

00:40:07.000 Whoa.

00:40:07.000 Somebody broke into government servers.

00:40:09.000 Or someone wiped them and made copies and gave it.

00:40:11.000 What?

00:40:12.000 And they're publicly available, which is, you'll see why that's important.

00:40:14.000 Oh yeah, they're publicly available.

00:40:16.000 You just gotta know where to look.

00:40:17.000 And we figured that out.

00:40:19.000 So who's trying to do what?

00:40:21.000 I don't know, that's what we're trying to figure out.

00:40:23.000 Do you want me to read the top letter?

00:40:24.000 Yeah, let's read that.

00:40:25.000 Yeah, do it.

00:40:26.000 Okay, we do read this in our first episode, and then we referred back to it in our second episode, but I'll just read it real quick.

00:40:32.000 And this is an email from Elliot Broidy to Elliot Broidy.

00:40:34.000 And who is he?

00:40:36.000 Elliot Broidy is the, what was his title again?

00:40:39.000 The former finance co-chair of the Republican National Convention Committee.

00:40:44.000 And Michael Cohen was as well, and he got indicted way back when, everyone knows that.

00:40:47.000 And so was Steve Wynn, and he got in some troubles with the ladies in the massages.

00:40:52.000 Alright.

00:40:52.000 You might remember.

00:40:52.000 Of course.

00:40:54.000 And then Elliot Broidy.

00:40:56.000 Broidy also has an open source intelligence company called Circinus, which has gotten awarded contracts from the government before.

00:41:05.000 So this is, it's, you know, have you ever sent an email to yourself just like an informational video?

00:41:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:09.000 So this is an email to himself.

00:41:10.000 And one of several drafts that over the next couple years there's different iterations of.

00:41:16.000 So it says, FYI, I'm closing an open source intelligence center installation in Asian country.

00:41:21.000 The focus will be improving counterterrorism efforts against ISIS.

00:41:24.000 The country involved has good relations with China and the U.S.

00:41:27.000 And offered a lucrative opportunity.

00:41:29.000 China wants to extradite from the U.S.

00:41:31.000 Guo Wengui, who is very critical of President Xi Jinping and now living as a fugitive in New York City.

00:41:37.000 Guo defrauded many investors, including Abu Dhabi, for $3 billion.

00:41:41.000 With elections coming up with China this fall, the Chinese want him to be kept quiet.

00:41:45.000 I believe a negotiation can take place which includes Abu Dhabi receiving its 3 billion back and Abu Dhabi extraditing Guo from the U.S.

00:41:52.000 to Abu Dhabi.

00:41:53.000 Later, Abu Dhabi would allow extradition to China.

00:41:55.000 I was told China would pay us, and if the facts are indeed correct, I assume Abu Dhabi would feel obliged to pay a fee as well.

00:42:03.000 Please check facts on your end.

00:42:04.000 Thank you.

00:42:05.000 And then this next part says, this information is strictly for you and MBZ only.

00:42:10.000 You know who MBZ is?

00:42:11.000 Who's MBZ?

00:42:14.000 Okay, well, you should look him up.

00:42:17.000 What'd you say?

00:42:18.000 MBZ?

00:42:18.000 Yeah, so MBZ, I want to get his title correct.

00:42:23.000 But he's a very, he's a really prominent political figure, and he's Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.

00:42:32.000 I didn't want to butcher his name.

00:42:33.000 They call it Mohammed bin Zayed.

00:42:35.000 So Mohammed bin Zayed.

00:42:37.000 Which country is it?

00:42:38.000 Uh, so he's Crown Prince of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi.

00:42:41.000 Interesting.

00:42:42.000 U.A.E.

00:42:44.000 Wasn't he involved in the recent peace agreements with Trump and U.A.E.

00:42:47.000 and Israel?

00:42:48.000 So this information is strictly for UNNBZ only.

00:42:50.000 The Asian country involved is Malaysia.

00:42:53.000 They are in dire need of closer relationship and cooperation with the U.S.

00:42:56.000 I conveyed three important ways for Malaysia to cooperate and assist U.S.

00:43:01.000 One, cooperate closely on counterterrorism efforts against ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc.

00:43:05.000 Two, cooperate on North Korea, given their special long-term relationship.

00:43:09.000 They can do much to help.

00:43:11.000 And three, cooperate and act in a more balanced way with regard to China slash U.S.

00:43:15.000 This is very real.

00:43:16.000 Along with items one to three above, which I requested, this additional item was offered to me to sweeten the deal, Open Source Intelligence Center deal.

00:43:26.000 I am working on, which is $42 million per year, and already agreed to.

00:43:31.000 As you know, they have big legal issues from their sovereign fund and 1MDB development fund, which we mentioned a little earlier.

00:43:40.000 Malaysia recently settled Abu Dhabi for $1.2 billion in debt repayment.

00:43:44.000 Malaysia is receiving assistance from China.

00:43:47.000 In fact, they received assistance to pay the settlement with Abu Dhabi.

00:43:50.000 Malaysia wants me to assist them, and they stressed China as additional deals for me.

00:43:56.000 I told them USA first and I cannot and will not do defense or intel business with China.

00:44:00.000 They told me to get involved on Guo, which is not sensitive to national security of U.S.

00:44:05.000 But it is.

00:44:06.000 The irony of that last statement.

00:44:08.000 I would say it's a little bit.

00:44:09.000 A little tiny bit.

00:44:10.000 A little bit.

00:44:11.000 So, yes.

00:44:12.000 So, what's the gist of this email?

00:44:15.000 It is hard to follow.

00:44:16.000 It's very simple.

00:44:17.000 There is a crime caper, and it's more interesting than any James Bond movie you've ever seen.

00:44:21.000 Interesting.

00:44:21.000 You know, people took, Guo took two sovereign wealth funds, so think of it like two hedge funds of five billion a piece.

00:44:28.000 These numbers aren't correct, but think about it that way to simplify it.

00:44:31.000 Slammed them together.

00:44:33.000 One of them was a 1MDB, and well, let's put it this way.

00:44:36.000 He slammed multiple funds together, and the sparks that flew off All these people tried to collect, right?

00:44:42.000 And then to absolve themselves of the crime, because it was an international scandal, after Trump came in, they tried to approach various parties to get it dropped, right?

00:44:51.000 And we have all the documents and the contracts between people like J. Lo.

00:44:54.000 Get what dropped?

00:44:55.000 Like the criminal investigation?

00:44:56.000 The criminal investigation on the U.S.

00:44:58.000 side of the 1MDB scandal.

00:44:59.000 Because other international investigations were happening already.

00:45:01.000 Right.

00:45:01.000 Wolf of Wall Street.

00:45:02.000 Remember Wolf of Wall Street?

00:45:03.000 Yeah.

00:45:03.000 Leo DiCaprio kind of got caught up with it.

00:45:05.000 That was the only headline America cares about, right?

00:45:08.000 Is the movies.

00:45:09.000 J. Lo Tech was an executive producer on that film, was well known and loved throughout Hollywood.

00:45:14.000 He was on the hot seat.

00:45:16.000 So he hired actually Brody's wife, Robin Brody, who's an entertainment attorney.

00:45:19.000 We have all the contracts, right?

00:45:23.000 $75 million, she was promised, plus a five, I don't know what the retainer was, but a fixed retainer if they could get it dropped within, or get the matter resolved, and the matter was the Wolf of Wall Street.

00:45:33.000 So you got to do the math there.

00:45:34.000 And that's all it said.

00:45:35.000 And it was like an eight page contract.

00:45:38.000 $75 million if it was dropped within a half a year.

00:45:42.000 And then $50 if it was a year plus the retainer.

00:45:45.000 I mean these are small numbers obviously.

00:45:47.000 JLOTEC was one of the supposed alleged architects behind this and hasn't come back to the States

00:45:52.000 in a while.

00:45:53.000 Supposedly living in China sort of.

00:45:56.000 The architect of the deal where they slammed the things together or what?

00:45:59.000 He took a lot of the money from the 1MDB fund and spent it on things like a yacht and jewelry

00:46:06.000 and his girlfriend at the time who was like some Hollywood model.

00:46:11.000 Yeah, she was a model.

00:46:12.000 Um, uh, she had to return something like six or eight billion dollars or a million dollars.

00:46:18.000 No, not a billion.

00:46:18.000 Yeah, I'm sorry, a million dollars worth of jewelry.

00:46:21.000 I was like, whoa.

00:46:21.000 Yeah, it's a lot of jewelry.

00:46:23.000 Amazing.

00:46:23.000 I'm used to bigger numbers with this stuff.

00:46:25.000 So, so where does this all go?

00:46:26.000 What's, what's the, what's where we're at?

00:46:27.000 Well, it's really simple.

00:46:28.000 It's like when you're getting emails trying to convince you to play golf or get the president to play golf with the prime minister of Malaysia, who's under investigation for Interesting.

00:46:38.000 to steal. I mean he was the guy in charge of the Sovereign Wealth Fund. Buck stops with him.

00:46:42.000 You know and his stepson is the guy for Red Granite Pictures, that greenlit Wolf of Wall

00:46:48.000 Street. You're in a situation where you're then, I mean it looks like quid pro quo arrangements and

00:46:55.000 you're close enough to the president to influence that and they're doing money through your

00:46:59.000 business. What would you call that? Whoa interesting.

00:47:03.000 Business like usual.

00:47:04.000 Maybe, yeah.

00:47:05.000 I mean, I'm not the one to determine that.

00:47:07.000 The law, law and order, right?

00:47:08.000 Law is the place to determine that.

00:47:10.000 So what do you think is going to happen?

00:47:12.000 I think there are several ongoing depositions and inquiries that people don't know about, that no one has looked at.

00:47:18.000 Well, that all of this has been a distraction.

00:47:20.000 Bullshit.

00:47:21.000 What has been a distraction?

00:47:22.000 Sorry, I coughed.

00:47:24.000 I figure if the president can say it on live TV, he can say it on YouTube.

00:47:27.000 Nah, YouTube's brutal, man.

00:47:29.000 So, no, continue.

00:47:31.000 Well, I'm just saying, I don't know what's going to happen, but I know several people who are currently under investigation and who are talking, or they're witnesses, and they're talking off the record, and this will all come to a head soon, and it happened a long time ago.

00:47:43.000 Are you talking about compromised people in the U.S.?

00:47:47.000 I don't know.

00:47:48.000 It's ongoing investigation.

00:47:49.000 I don't want to speculate based off... I don't want to get killed, probably.

00:47:53.000 So, but, but this, when you, when you mentioned there are people, like you said, a hundred people at Harvard.

00:47:58.000 I mean, that's what the list says.

00:47:59.000 We don't know if that's a... Sure, sure, sure.

00:48:01.000 It's being manipulated, you know.

00:48:02.000 Is this like his list of suspected?

00:48:03.000 But there was people at, you asked about Harvard because somebody was sent back from, from Harvard.

00:48:07.000 I think there was two people at Harvard.

00:48:08.000 Yeah, more than one.

00:48:09.000 And actually they were associated with something interesting.

00:48:13.000 Do you guys know about that?

00:48:14.000 Maybe we shouldn't get into that.

00:48:15.000 The Chinese program?

00:48:16.000 Yeah, the thousand, whatever it's called.

00:48:18.000 What was it called?

00:48:19.000 That's well known, like the Thousand Talents program, I think?

00:48:21.000 Yeah, Thousand Talents.

00:48:23.000 Well, yeah, there's more to it.

00:48:24.000 There's a little bit more to it.

00:48:25.000 Neural Net.

00:48:26.000 Neural Net?

00:48:27.000 What?

00:48:28.000 What is this?

00:48:29.000 Go look at what Harvard's working on with bioengineering.

00:48:32.000 Check it out.

00:48:33.000 I know that earlier in the year, Mike Pompeo said we've been infiltrated by the Chinese at every level.

00:48:38.000 Yep.

00:48:38.000 Every level.

00:48:39.000 And then we've had repeated investigations into university professors who were double dipping.

00:48:45.000 China was paying them while they were also getting grants from the U.S., which is illegal.

00:48:48.000 call it spying or whatever. It's compromised. You're compromised. Right, right, right. Yeah.

00:48:53.000 Yeah, you're compromised. So is this the worst thing about it? We have people in the US that

00:48:57.000 have like, there's, there's leverage against them from foreign interests. Is that it? I mean,

00:49:02.000 the scale is probably the worst thing. I think the scale is absolutely the worst thing. And...

00:49:07.000 The scale meaning...

00:49:09.000 Like the Chinese can print infinite money and they got a lot of people.

00:49:12.000 Yep.

00:49:12.000 So that's it.

00:49:14.000 So they can keep compromising people?

00:49:16.000 So you can have 55,000 spies in the U.S.

00:49:18.000 and that's nothing.

00:49:19.000 And how many spies do we have in China?

00:49:21.000 Not as many.

00:49:22.000 Right.

00:49:22.000 You gotta figure.

00:49:23.000 So we're compromised from the top down?

00:49:26.000 Yeah.

00:49:29.000 Is that the gist of it?

00:49:30.000 I've been told, and I obviously can't confirm this, that our GIS system is compromised.

00:49:34.000 What is GIS?

00:49:35.000 It's a global positioning system, but it's not GPS.

00:49:38.000 It's how you keep the map from changing, we'll say.

00:49:41.000 pretty sure everything you're saying first of all I will be completely honest

00:49:45.000 it's hard to follow yeah of course it is there's a purpose yeah yeah I mean yeah

00:49:48.000 we are really close to it and we've been looking at it for a really long time now

00:49:52.000 so that's why we're trying to do our best to like break it down and size

00:49:55.000 videos and starting with very specific people and then hopefully and we just

00:50:00.000 told you won't be dead before you get to the final yeah and we just told you that

00:50:04.000 the and you'll see in our second part it doesn't get into all this all we do in

00:50:07.000 our second part is prove the documents or at least the narrowly defined

00:50:10.000 documents we're looking at in that video are real by going to a vendor and

00:50:13.000 they're like yeah we don't know how they got a hold of that that's not that's we

00:50:17.000 didn't give it to him which is weird So the challenge is, with stories like this, there's so many pieces that need to be broken down individually before you can fully understand what you're looking at.

00:50:27.000 Well, other outlets are corroborating our reporting.

00:50:28.000 So like, for instance, we didn't know what a sovereign wealth fund, I believe.

00:50:32.000 Yes, we didn't know what that is.

00:50:33.000 Well, you're an idiot if you don't know what that is, because... Oh, really?

00:50:36.000 Yeah, because the government... You are!

00:50:38.000 You guys should be talking about this every day, because it's the upper echelons of the government ripping off its people.

00:50:44.000 All right.

00:50:44.000 At the highest level, you know.

00:50:45.000 Interesting.

00:50:46.000 That's why those smart people make money, and people get in the streets and fight about BS when they should be looking at their own government.

00:50:52.000 Privilege.

00:50:52.000 I will say, there's a lot of distractions being put out into the media right now, and you know, it's not, you know, people are eating it up, and it does take people's attention away from this stuff.

00:51:02.000 Bread and circuses?

00:51:03.000 Yeah.

00:51:04.000 Yeah, possibly, but I also think- And they amplify, the bad actors amplify these simplified dog-do messages.

00:51:10.000 You know, it's like- Yeah.

00:51:11.000 America can't seem to understand anything beyond red versus blue or this team versus that team.

00:51:17.000 They got to have two.

00:51:18.000 And if there's more than two options, they get really confused.

00:51:20.000 And that's the media's fault.

00:51:22.000 So that's what we're trying to change is that things are complicated.

00:51:25.000 And if you don't care, fine, go watch the Kardashians.

00:51:28.000 Oh, wait, you can't because there's a pandemic and nothing's on TV.

00:51:31.000 We have journalism in this country has been whittled down to a dry, burnt husk, rotting in the corner.

00:51:39.000 So much so that we've been accused of being intelligence agents by Steptoe, which is Broidy's very high-priced law firm and also Jeffrey Epstein's law firm.

00:51:47.000 Do you want me to read that letter?

00:51:47.000 It's pretty good.

00:51:48.000 What, they called you spies?

00:51:49.000 On election day.

00:51:50.000 Oh, we got an election day surprise.

00:51:52.000 Saucy.

00:51:52.000 Interesting.

00:51:53.000 Well, they're called agents.

00:51:54.000 Agents?

00:51:55.000 Agents.

00:51:55.000 Accusing you of being government agents?

00:51:57.000 How did you not get this email?

00:51:57.000 It was addressed to your scan right there.

00:51:58.000 It's Timmons.

00:51:59.000 I know.

00:52:00.000 It has you on it.

00:52:00.000 Oh, you do know.

00:52:02.000 It's actually addressed to you.

00:52:03.000 It says, Dear Mr. Poole.

00:52:04.000 Are you saying I'm being accused of being a spy?

00:52:06.000 Well, no, no, no, you're not.

00:52:07.000 You're not.

00:52:08.000 They thought they could reason with you, but obviously they didn't.

00:52:10.000 I don't have anything to do with the editorial work of Scanner.

00:52:13.000 You don't.

00:52:14.000 Keep saying that.

00:52:14.000 It's true.

00:52:15.000 I have no idea.

00:52:15.000 Seriously, you need to make that really clear to these people.

00:52:18.000 That's why I'm like, wow, you guys get an email and you're like, it's to you.

00:52:21.000 I'm like, I don't know anything about it.

00:52:22.000 They sent two.

00:52:23.000 This was the one after I asked them.

00:52:25.000 First, they sent me an email saying, to you actually, but it's me CC, Emily CC.

00:52:29.000 And we did not obviously CC you in the email.

00:52:32.000 We just sent it out from our Scanner account.

00:52:33.000 So they created a new chain.

00:52:35.000 That one basically said, you are working with stolen documents from the Qatari government.

00:52:40.000 I don't even know what they're talking about.

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 I mean, I have it up, but, um, it basically, uh, they accused us of, uh, working with Qatari backed hackers.

00:52:52.000 Let's see.

00:52:52.000 Okay.

00:52:53.000 Hang on.

00:52:54.000 It says, uh, Oh, it is a long letter, but I'll cut to the chase.

00:52:58.000 As a result, we have reasons to suspect you are in direct contact and receiving stolen and potentially doctored materials from individuals directly involved with the Qatari-sponsored hackers.

00:53:07.000 As an example of the peril relying on these sources, the suggestion that any sales were made to Nigeria as you suggest in your questions is false.

00:53:14.000 So people should go watch the video and see what we're actually- Are you talking about me?

00:53:19.000 No.

00:53:19.000 No, he's saying that we- No!

00:53:21.000 I mean, I don't know, were you working with a Katari act?

00:53:23.000 No!

00:53:23.000 He said it was addressed to me, I'm like, what?

00:53:26.000 It is addressed to you, but- I don't know why, you know.

00:53:28.000 That's the thing, I think they're trying to get you to kill the story.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, they're trying to get you to kill the story.

00:53:31.000 Oh, that'll never happen.

00:53:32.000 Oh, he's not going to.

00:53:33.000 I'll give the story more money if you try and do that.

00:53:34.000 Anyway, so this is verifiably untrue, the fact that we're in direct contact with Katari-sponsored hackers.

00:53:42.000 There's nothing to do with it.

00:53:42.000 Sounds pretty cool.

00:53:44.000 We can get our things without hackers, that's the thing.

00:53:47.000 Yeah, we don't need hackers.

00:53:50.000 We're learning a lot of new skills, by the way.

00:53:51.000 That's exciting.

00:53:52.000 I think that's why they think we're intelligent.

00:53:54.000 We learned a code.

00:53:56.000 I'll tell you, this is a big problem probably for international elites dealing with, like, gutter crust like me from the south side of Chicago, who's like, I don't know what you're talking about, dude.

00:54:06.000 Uh, you know, like you, you can't email me and send me these things thinking that I'm gonna do anything about what you guys... Well, you won't even... Sorry.

00:54:15.000 You won't even see it.

00:54:16.000 Well, I know about the, I know they sent the emails and I just immediately just click it and close it.

00:54:20.000 I'm like, I don't care.

00:54:21.000 I'm not going to read it.

00:54:22.000 Burn it.

00:54:22.000 You hear that, Steptoe?

00:54:24.000 Don't waste your time.

00:54:25.000 Don't waste your time on Tim, man.

00:54:27.000 Cause I didn't even know what you guys were working on.

00:54:29.000 I'm just like, oh, those crazy kids getting accused of being spies again.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, you want to read that part of the newsletter?

00:54:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:36.000 So this was our election day, by the way.

00:54:37.000 This was the election day letter.

00:54:39.000 That was the first.

00:54:40.000 That was the first one?

00:54:41.000 I was eating cake on election day.

00:54:42.000 We were sending, well, the day before we sent very specific, because they told us we were vague.

00:54:46.000 I said, I just want to talk to you about Nigeria.

00:54:48.000 I didn't email Steptoe.

00:54:48.000 I emailed Broidy and his wife, and I had already tweeted at them documents.

00:54:52.000 I'm like, are these real?

00:54:52.000 These fake?

00:54:53.000 Please help.

00:54:54.000 And no response.

00:54:56.000 I get a response from Steptoe.

00:54:58.000 Emily read from it.

00:55:00.000 She cc'd.

00:55:00.000 Then we get this response.

00:55:02.000 Dear Mr. Poole.

00:55:05.000 And this time they took Emily off, which she was not happy about.

00:55:08.000 She told them she wasn't happy.

00:55:10.000 This firm represents Elliott Brody, which we know.

00:55:13.000 Which your agents have disclosed is the subject of a quote, scare quote, story being prepared for publication on your YouTube channel.

00:55:20.000 Your agent, which is me, proposes to make outlandish accusations unsupported by fact or law.

00:55:25.000 Outlandish.

00:55:27.000 And if you read the indictment, that summary of what happened with Brody, it's to a T what we were already looking at.

00:55:32.000 It's crazy.

00:55:33.000 We write again today to demand that you cease and dismiss your unlawful harassment of and threatening behavior toward Mr. Brody, his public relations agent Nathan Miller, and his associates.

00:55:43.000 Your employees and agents have employed intimidating and unlawful tactics in what you purport to be a reporting operation, including the illegal taping of conversations with Mr. Miller Agents for hire?

00:55:53.000 That's not as cool.

00:55:53.000 It's not.

00:55:54.000 No.

00:55:54.000 It's mercenary.

00:55:54.000 legally taped conversations that you propose to disclose with untruthful commentary.

00:55:58.000 This conduct makes you clear that you are not a legitimate media organization, but rather

00:56:02.000 agents for hire masquerading as media."

00:56:04.000 Oh, agents for hire.

00:56:05.000 That's not as cool.

00:56:06.000 That's not.

00:56:07.000 No.

00:56:08.000 It's mercenary.

00:56:09.000 Mercenary.

00:56:10.000 We will be contacting YouTube to seek removal of any content about Mr. Brody produced by

00:56:13.000 your organization.

00:56:14.000 So let's see if it's still on actually.

00:56:16.000 To begin, your ostensible editor reporter Rocco Castoro expressed surprise that his

00:56:20.000 calls and emails to me and my law firm were returned by Nathan Miller, even though in

00:56:23.000 your signature you've got a number and an email and I have no-

00:56:27.000 I've already emailed Mr. Broidy about the questions.

00:56:29.000 I didn't hear back from anyone.

00:56:31.000 I'm recording this- So, you know, I'm recording this-

00:56:33.000 Why is he emailing?

00:56:35.000 I don't know.

00:56:36.000 Because he told us in the first email that we had documents that have not been reported on or that no other reporter has been in possession of.

00:56:43.000 What sounds like the most pressing thing is that there are compromised people all over the US.

00:56:50.000 Yes.

00:56:51.000 And like, what levels of government and industries?

00:56:53.000 Hollywood, government, media.

00:56:54.000 Probably private sector.

00:56:55.000 I mean, it makes sense.

00:56:57.000 But like, who are they?

00:56:58.000 So, I'll put it this way.

00:56:59.000 I've had about 10 individuals, some of them very high-powered, since I've left Vice, do things that were very, very inexplicable.

00:57:06.000 And, you know, I've been called a conspiracy theorist all my life.

00:57:08.000 Well, I get to maybe perhaps prove that some of these individuals Um, we're doing things that were very weird, and I have documentation over the years.

00:57:17.000 And imagine someone like me having proof that you tried to do something tricky with me.

00:57:21.000 So, you guys know about, like, the accusations against Epstein?

00:57:24.000 Like, what he was doing with the island?

00:57:26.000 Basically, filming people and then being like, guess what?

00:57:30.000 And then all of a sudden they started buying them.

00:57:31.000 That's nothing new, yeah.

00:57:33.000 Right, right, right.

00:57:33.000 Is this something similar?

00:57:34.000 Like, you got a bunch of really wealthy, powerful powerful people and people in the industry.

00:57:38.000 No, it's more like you took dirty money and we didn't tell you.

00:57:40.000 It's, it's the same and that like, it's Epstein, could you film you with a, just a girl that

00:57:45.000 looked underage and leverage that against you or he could procure, you know, it's, it

00:57:49.000 goes all, you're radioactive at that point.

00:57:51.000 Yeah, yeah, sure.

00:57:52.000 No.

00:57:53.000 So what does that mean for this country?

00:57:55.000 It's very scary, and it's something people need to start talking about and figuring out amongst themselves.

00:57:59.000 If there's anything we can unite over, it's like foreign influence should not be anywhere near us in this regard, and the scale is so big it's too big to fail.

00:58:07.000 Does it impact our elections?

00:58:09.000 Yes, for certain.

00:58:10.000 I don't think it impacts voting machines, and I don't think it results in what you... it's very carefully crafted, because again, it's not... and the U.S.

00:58:18.000 has done studies on this that no one, including the media, talks about Chinese-Russia relations for cybercrime, which makes sense.

00:58:25.000 Why wouldn't they collaborate on cybercrime?

00:58:27.000 Makes no... like, why wouldn't they?

00:58:29.000 So people need to start looking at it through an international lens versus a domestic lens.

00:58:32.000 So what you're saying is that Russia interfered in- I'm just kidding.

00:58:36.000 No, not quite.

00:58:36.000 So to what degree does it affect the elections?

00:58:38.000 Is it direct?

00:58:39.000 Is it indirect?

00:58:40.000 Are they like- Mind crimes is the best way to put it.

00:58:42.000 Mind crimes?

00:58:43.000 Yeah, I don't have a word for it.

00:58:44.000 Like what is that- Like Orwellian, right?

00:58:47.000 No, but like what are they doing?

00:58:47.000 You have to realize they've been playing a long, long, long game.

00:58:50.000 And it's not something they're just going to swoop in before the election or even be like, oh, we're going to- Another thing I keep seeing is like, oh, well, these machines use Chinese parts.

00:58:59.000 And it's like, you're looking in the wrong- Do you know what a sea turtle attack is?

00:59:02.000 Have you heard of this?

00:59:03.000 No.

00:59:03.000 It's when I put something on your server, it could be an Amazon server, so a legitimate server, that then the server is tricked into thinking it's legitimate, okay?

00:59:13.000 So it could be a certificate that I put on some site I use to host fake news, incendiary content, right?

00:59:20.000 That you click on from Facebook and then it launches a back-end JavaScript application or something like that that infects your machine or something and that could do whatever, right?

00:59:31.000 That is, think about that.

00:59:32.000 That's not political.

00:59:32.000 That's chaotic.

00:59:35.000 The point of that is to cause chaos, to undermine, you know, the institutions like the free press in America, which is the only place that you can actually check these things in the way that we can.

00:59:45.000 And I get sued.

00:59:46.000 Even in England, you get sued.

00:59:47.000 I feel like our institutions kind of undermine themselves, man.

00:59:50.000 They do.

00:59:51.000 Yeah, sure.

00:59:51.000 And is it because of a long game, a long time manipulating?

00:59:56.000 Think about it this way.

00:59:57.000 Countries that have no repercussions for You know, if I went and tried to hack a bunch of servers in an allied country, I'd probably go to jail, right?

01:00:06.000 If someone goes and does that in Russia to the U.S., they like have a party.

01:00:09.000 It's funny.

01:00:10.000 Yeah.

01:00:11.000 And I don't blame them.

01:00:12.000 I'm like, cool.

01:00:12.000 Like I get it.

01:00:13.000 That was a Syrian electronic army stuff that we had covered way back when.

01:00:16.000 Yeah.

01:00:17.000 It's, you know, it's the same stuff, but it happens here.

01:00:20.000 It's been happening from people that are thirsty, people that want clout.

01:00:25.000 And that aren't legitimate in their enterprise.

01:00:27.000 And what I mean by that is, you know, I don't want to point anybody out right now, but like there's just a lot of disingenuous people masquerading as journalists and hiding behind shield walls.

01:00:40.000 Put it that way.

01:00:40.000 Interesting.

01:00:42.000 Yeah, and it's really sad and it's so crazy because it's like, someone that you might have a gut feeling is doing that, the minute you start scraping their servers and stuff, you're like, oh my god, it's so much worse than I thought.

01:00:53.000 We've been working on Maltego, which is a cool program.

01:00:58.000 It's not just Maltego, but we're using a lot of tools.

01:01:01.000 What is that?

01:01:04.000 Maltego is actually like, it's, you can plug in, we've mostly been using it to look at name servers, domains.

01:01:11.000 It's an investigative tool.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, it's an investigative tool, and you can pretty much run transforms on these entities in order to expand their connections and dig deeper into those things.

01:01:22.000 So, you know, I don't know if you have an example you want to use, but...

01:01:26.000 I mean, it's, so you can type in a URL, right?

01:01:31.000 And it will literally kind of mine every, there's all these plugins you can use.

01:01:35.000 It's kind of like Pro Tools.

01:01:36.000 You've used Pro Tools or something like that, where, but I can put in malware plugins.

01:01:42.000 And they're all, it's expensive.

01:01:43.000 You have to actually get a license.

01:01:44.000 You have to give them your ID.

01:01:45.000 They don't want bad actors using this because you can use these tools to kind of create networks that are like cyber criminal networks and actually once we started working with 12 security we got introduced to some other signals intelligence former operatives but you know they run their own businesses now at Australia like Five Eyes people and one of them said to us we believe that you found the largest cyber syndicate of criminals in history and we're like whatever dude and like we're just like blowing through it but now I would have to say we have definitely found

01:02:16.000 We found URLs that are in Cyrillic, which should not happen, and Mandarin, which should not happen.

01:02:23.000 It shouldn't happen at all?

01:02:24.000 What do you mean?

01:02:24.000 No, it's not supposed to.

01:02:25.000 It's corrupted.

01:02:26.000 Not yet.

01:02:27.000 It's weird.

01:02:28.000 I mean, we'll get to that in one of our episodes eventually.

01:02:31.000 Like, URLs can't have... We found URLs that are like, Obama is the n-word dot gov.

01:02:37.000 What?

01:02:37.000 Dot gov?

01:02:38.000 Dot gov.

01:02:38.000 What?

01:02:39.000 The dot gov domain, and they've already, the Pentagon announced this after we found it.

01:02:44.000 Really?

01:02:44.000 Yeah.

01:02:45.000 What?

01:02:45.000 James Comey for prison dot gov.

01:02:47.000 It's all hyphenated.

01:02:48.000 So the minute, I don't know what happened.

01:02:50.000 But dot govs are?

01:02:51.000 We don't know what happened.

01:02:52.000 So to clarify, but for those that don't understand, dot govs, you can't get those.

01:02:55.000 No, you can't just get a .gov.

01:02:56.000 Somebody's compromised it.

01:02:59.000 And it happened right after, not before the inauguration, but after the election.

01:03:03.000 We're talking day, there's even, what's his name?

01:03:04.000 Wait, wait, wait, 2016, 2020 election.

01:03:06.000 Oh, it's a meme?

01:03:06.000 Are you talking about the meme?

01:03:09.000 Dankula?

01:03:09.000 Dunkula?

01:03:10.000 Oh yeah, you know the traps are gay meme?

01:03:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:13.000 There's one of the .gov.

01:03:16.000 No way!

01:03:18.000 Did he do it?

01:03:18.000 What's going on?

01:03:19.000 No, of course he didn't do it.

01:03:21.000 How could he possibly do that?

01:03:21.000 But wait, wait, someone made that dot gov?

01:03:23.000 He's not even American.

01:03:24.000 Yeah, you can look it up.

01:03:25.000 Wow.

01:03:25.000 You can look it up.

01:03:26.000 Oh, they've probably taken him down by now.

01:03:27.000 On our Twitter, we have like a screenshot.

01:03:30.000 Yeah, I was looking for this shot.

01:03:31.000 When did this happen?

01:03:32.000 This happened in 2016?

01:03:33.000 Yes, 2015.

01:03:34.000 End of 2015.

01:03:36.000 If you look at the dates when they were created, it was within the transition period.

01:03:41.000 So right, kind of like right now of the election.

01:03:43.000 Interesting.

01:03:43.000 It was fundamentally Well, so that's 2017, the transition period.

01:03:49.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:03:49.000 I'm going to pull it up real quick so I can get this right.

01:03:52.000 Yes, you're right.

01:03:53.000 I'm getting this wrong.

01:03:54.000 Hold on.

01:03:55.000 2016, during the transition period.

01:03:57.000 So like, December 2016.

01:03:58.000 November, it was like, what was election day 2016?

01:04:00.000 What was the date?

01:04:01.000 9th.

01:04:02.000 So it was like the 10th and the 11th.

01:04:03.000 It was today, four years ago.

01:04:04.000 And then more down the road, but they're the weirdest things.

01:04:06.000 And they're all hyphenated.

01:04:07.000 We've heard that if there's hyphens in your domain, that means it's a basically, you know, honeypot domain, Chinese domain.

01:04:15.000 Some of them, which is kind of true, not really true.

01:04:17.000 I gotta say, man.

01:04:17.000 This is crazy.

01:04:19.000 Well, it's hard to piece together.

01:04:21.000 I would say the biggest thing I've taken so far, which I've said, is that they're compromised individuals.

01:04:26.000 Yes.

01:04:27.000 But then hearing that governments are compromised and people are in the take and there's some Chinese billionaire.

01:04:32.000 That's what the documents say.

01:04:33.000 I feel kind of like I'm looking at Charlie Day with this Pepe Silvia thing and I'm like, what is this?

01:04:37.000 If we got someone arrested, would you believe us?

01:04:41.000 Well, I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just saying you've got, you've just told me like... I mean, our reporting got someone arrested.

01:04:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:04:47.000 You already did.

01:04:48.000 No, I'm saying if we did.

01:04:50.000 Well, the point I'm making is, if you came to me and said, we found a network of compromised individuals, this list of potential, you know, individuals who are compromised, I'd be like, wow, who's doing it?

01:05:00.000 You say it's not necessarily China, but it's... There's deposition that shows people like, Emily knows a little bit more about that.

01:05:09.000 Oh yeah, which deposition?

01:05:10.000 Waller.

01:05:11.000 Okay, yeah.

01:05:11.000 No, you have to, it's not an easy thing to explain, you know?

01:05:14.000 I mean, you know Brittany Kaiser, right?

01:05:16.000 You used to live with Brittany.

01:05:17.000 So she could explain this to you very easily because she understands data.

01:05:20.000 And we, yeah, we think that people that were working for Cambridge and people that were working for other places like that, that's obviously continued.

01:05:30.000 It's not going to go away.

01:05:31.000 And we're not saying, it's not related just to elections, it's related to behavioral stuff, psychographics, figuring people out.

01:05:37.000 And people like Waller, who are longtime propagandists, or at least they understand propaganda, and have participated in it.

01:05:43.000 Yeah, I mean, he pretty much admits to helping run an amplification network.

01:05:47.000 So who's that?

01:05:48.000 J. Michael Waller is somebody that we actually interviewed on Subverse in the early days.

01:05:52.000 He's a propaganda expert.

01:05:53.000 Oh, that's right.

01:05:53.000 Yeah, you remember him.

01:05:54.000 Of course.

01:05:55.000 Propaganda expert explaining how it all works.

01:05:57.000 Yes, yes.

01:05:59.000 The hoax screening.

01:06:01.000 That was a Cernovich event.

01:06:02.000 Exactly.

01:06:02.000 That's really funny.

01:06:03.000 So you should keep that in mind.

01:06:04.000 Well, I don't know.

01:06:05.000 I don't know what you're saying about Mike Cernovich though.

01:06:07.000 No, no, no.

01:06:07.000 I'm just saying like he's, he, he, I believe he was, you know, he was in, in hoax, right?

01:06:13.000 Uh, Waller was.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:06:15.000 And so he, he's admitted in deposition to feeding these amplification networks.

01:06:21.000 What are the amplification networks?

01:06:22.000 Huh?

01:06:23.000 Like what, what, what, who, who's amplification networks?

01:06:25.000 Well, so that's part of an investigation that we're doing.

01:06:28.000 So would you tell me you got a bunch of... You want to see a picture of them?

01:06:33.000 No, no, no.

01:06:33.000 I need to understand what the elevator pitch is to what all this is.

01:06:37.000 Really simple.

01:06:38.000 People that have...

01:06:42.000 Largely associated with what some may call the alt-right, have run a series of botnets to amplify false stories that are disingenuous and for possibly, I don't know, money, like monetization, clout.

01:06:53.000 Who's directing it?

01:06:54.000 I don't think anybody's directing it.

01:06:55.000 I think there's malware as a platform, if you will, like malware-oss, if you will, that sits on these servers and does various things and there's different ways you can kind of So you're saying that there are personalities that have access to these amplification networks for clout and for wealth?

01:07:09.000 Yes.

01:07:09.000 the room. So you're saying there are personalities that have access to these

01:07:14.000 amplification networks you know for clout and for wealth?

01:07:18.000 Yes. And how does that relate to China? Well if the tools that they were

01:07:21.000 given to do it come from China that's the edge of the law.

01:07:25.000 I don't know.

01:07:25.000 I'm not a lawyer.

01:07:26.000 But you have to also remember there are multiple amplification networks.

01:07:29.000 Some of them overlap and some of them have different sources as far as like who's feeding them, who's running them, who's paying them.

01:07:36.000 So not everyone is being paid.

01:07:38.000 Some people are doing it just for clout, just for clicks, just for follows and stuff like that.

01:07:42.000 Or because they want to support a president?

01:07:45.000 Could be.

01:07:45.000 Sure.

01:07:46.000 Yeah, but that's disingenuous.

01:07:48.000 We're going to laugh at you and say you're not a real journalist, and hopefully someone's going to sue you.

01:07:52.000 These are journalists?

01:07:55.000 Yes, many of them are calling.

01:07:57.000 Well, they seem to be in flux.

01:07:58.000 It depends on what day of the week it is.

01:07:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:00.000 They're hiding behind shield walls, is my point.

01:08:02.000 No one wants to prosecute a journalist because it's messy.

01:08:04.000 Exactly.

01:08:05.000 No kidding.

01:08:08.000 I'm trying to figure out what's breaking the law.

01:08:13.000 We didn't say it was breaking the law.

01:08:14.000 We just said we're not lawyers, but we will roundly accuse them of being disingenuous and fraudulent.

01:08:21.000 There's a class action suit that could happen with their followers, that's for sure.

01:08:25.000 Like they know they're lying and you know they know they're lying?

01:08:27.000 We can prove it.

01:08:28.000 Interesting.

01:08:29.000 And so are you saying Mike Cernovich, straight up?

01:08:31.000 No, we're not saying that.

01:08:32.000 Oh, okay.

01:08:32.000 We're saying there's interesting things happening on his backend, on his site.

01:08:35.000 Yeah.

01:08:36.000 On his website?

01:08:36.000 We are tracing crypto from a variety of sources now, and we will be able to tell exactly where that came from.

01:08:41.000 So how does that relate to compromised individuals at Harvard or whichever?

01:08:46.000 Well, you asked how the amplification networks.

01:08:48.000 Right.

01:08:48.000 Yeah.

01:08:48.000 No, I mean, not all of these things are directly connected.

01:08:51.000 They do have lots of tangents that overlap.

01:08:54.000 Data.

01:08:55.000 Data is how it connects.

01:08:57.000 Who's using the data, who's collecting the data, what they're doing with the data, that overlaps in a lot of ways.

01:09:03.000 And Guo Wengui seems to more and more connect to every bit of this.

01:09:06.000 Like for instance, Bannon, when he left the administration, he visited the UAE.

01:09:11.000 I've been told several different things.

01:09:12.000 I've been told it was concerning Khashoggi.

01:09:14.000 That was way before we know what happened happened.

01:09:17.000 I've been told that it was to, in the documents, it talks about monies that was owed by Malaysia to the AE that China was taking care of.

01:09:27.000 But I know that he was summoned.

01:09:29.000 I know that he visited there, and I know that Guo was brought up, but in the context of more blackmail, let's say, regarding the royal court there.

01:09:37.000 That's at least what I've been told from the source.

01:09:40.000 I'm trying to verify that.

01:09:41.000 Obviously, these people don't want to talk to me, and that's how I know there's some real big things to talk about here.

01:09:46.000 And we're getting threatened, you know?

01:09:47.000 So, like, what's the problem?

01:09:49.000 My point is, are they breaking the law?

01:09:51.000 Who cares?

01:09:52.000 They always talk about how stupid and shitty the mainstream media is.

01:09:55.000 Like, you know, maybe we should, like, we're trying to just tell the truth and report so that we're not doing it politically.

01:10:02.000 It just sounds like the way you're framing it, everything's broken.

01:10:06.000 It is.

01:10:06.000 The internet's broken.

01:10:10.000 That's what Timothy Berners-Lee has been saying for years, that the DNS, the underpinnings of the internet, the way that a domain that's Timcast resolves to a server, and then other URLs are on that server, it's fundamentally broken.

01:10:21.000 And it is.

01:10:23.000 It sounds like everything's broken.

01:10:23.000 The media's broken.

01:10:24.000 Everything.

01:10:25.000 Independent media.

01:10:26.000 Politics is broken.

01:10:27.000 Hollywood's broken.

01:10:28.000 Yeah.

01:10:28.000 Hollywood, Harvard.

01:10:29.000 So we have an idea of instead of selling open source intelligence to foreign governments, we're going to raise money to make our own platform so we can have people subscribe, like Netflix, so housewives in Minnesota can help solve international relations schemes.

01:10:43.000 What?

01:10:44.000 How?

01:10:45.000 True crime's the number one genre.

01:10:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:48.000 You're right.

01:10:49.000 So doing like a journalism show and reaching out for crowdsource support.

01:10:52.000 That's kind of cool.

01:10:53.000 With editorial levels.

01:10:54.000 So it's like Reddit, but there's some, there's editorial oversight.

01:10:58.000 Then we obviously aren't reporting on anything that hasn't been vetted.

01:11:00.000 But we'll have raw data sets and they can help sort it out.

01:11:03.000 So you're mentioning all of these things.

01:11:05.000 I think, like I mentioned, you know, now that it's time, the thing that sticks out the most is that there are people in this country who are compromised.

01:11:11.000 Yes.

01:11:11.000 And how does that relate?

01:11:12.000 Like, it's a different story you're saying.

01:11:14.000 No, it's the same story.

01:11:15.000 It's the same story.

01:11:16.000 But like you said, it's so complicated, you have to break it down into smaller parts.

01:11:20.000 And another thing is, like, I know we used to do, like, pretty much daily videos, and that was basically a meat grinder.

01:11:25.000 We shouldn't be doing that, which is why we're taking the time to go the investigative route.

01:11:30.000 And people, I hope, understand and appreciate that.

01:11:33.000 And it'll be more regular.

01:11:34.000 We went to Wyoming recently to investigate shell companies that are associated with some of these people.

01:11:38.000 Yes.

01:11:38.000 This, I think, requires like a written article, some kind of visualization.

01:11:42.000 No, no, no.

01:11:43.000 Well, you'll see.

01:11:45.000 Well, because I don't know who this... Guai?

01:11:47.000 What's his name?

01:11:47.000 Guo Wengui.

01:11:48.000 You've talked about him on your videos.

01:11:50.000 Me?

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 I don't think so.

01:11:51.000 In one of your videos, you used a Daily Mail article about him.

01:11:54.000 Yeah, I think it briefly mentioned that he was like... I know you didn't want us to talk about it.

01:11:59.000 Wait, what?

01:11:59.000 Well, that's what Libya said.

01:12:01.000 Libya?

01:12:02.000 Libya said?

01:12:04.000 Well, she said that... I'm sorry, I was thinking about that.

01:12:06.000 No, it was Ian.

01:12:07.000 Ian told me that you didn't want to talk about it.

01:12:09.000 Talk about what?

01:12:09.000 About a quote.

01:12:10.000 No, I never said that.

01:12:11.000 I'm so confused.

01:12:12.000 I've never heard Tim talk about that ever.

01:12:15.000 I've never told anybody.

01:12:16.000 The only thing I've told people not to talk about is, I say, swear if you want, because YouTube deranks videos if you swear.

01:12:22.000 I'm sorry that we did that.

01:12:25.000 And the surprising thing is that YouTube actually allows racial slurs, so long as they're in the context of an educational descriptor.

01:12:30.000 But we don't want those either.

01:12:31.000 Other than that, you pull out documents talking about, you know, Mike Cernovich.

01:12:36.000 I know the guy.

01:12:37.000 Yeah.

01:12:38.000 You should ask him.

01:12:38.000 Will you ask him?

01:12:39.000 Yeah, I'll ask him.

01:12:40.000 Like, if you've got documents and you've got something to say, I'm not going to talk about it.

01:12:43.000 I mean, like, you know, we have checks that are from, you know, well, I'm not going to, we'll talk about it in a second, but.

01:12:48.000 You know, and some of this is based off people that, yeah, I'm not saying it's definitive.

01:12:52.000 I'm saying we have a lot of questions and this is separate from us looking at the servers, which I have a very, very, a lot of concerns.

01:13:00.000 When I hear about like amplification networks, that sounds like Occupy Wall Street stuff to me.

01:13:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:05.000 Well, I mean, that's the thing is I think you know a lot about this stuff that, you know, I mean, you know, Brittany Kaiser, you know, these people, like they all participate in this.

01:13:11.000 I mean, they should be able to tell us exactly what went down.

01:13:14.000 I mean, she's been leaking stuff left and right.

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 For those that don't know, Brittany Kaiser is the whistleblower from Cambridge Analytica.

01:13:20.000 I don't know about that.

01:13:22.000 What's that?

01:13:23.000 I said the media's called her that, but I mean, you know.

01:13:25.000 Yeah.

01:13:26.000 She's still working with certain people.

01:13:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:28.000 I guess.

01:13:30.000 I know for sure.

01:13:31.000 You know for sure?

01:13:33.000 I think so.

01:13:34.000 Other people know for sure.

01:13:35.000 We have suspicions.

01:13:37.000 Other people know for sure.

01:13:38.000 When I hear about amplification networks, I'm kind of like, look, man, if it falls into the realm of free speech and you've got someone who's dumb spreading around dumb things, like, I don't know what I'm supposed to, like, what are we supposed to do about that?

01:13:48.000 Well, can smart people then embarrass them publicly and troll them into completely embarrassing and take their money?

01:13:53.000 Like, John McAfee did tell me one thing that held up.

01:13:56.000 You don't make money, you take money.

01:13:58.000 So if I take their money on freedom of speech and call them out, is that wrong?

01:14:02.000 How do you take their money?

01:14:03.000 What do you mean?

01:14:04.000 I defund them.

01:14:05.000 Like, you know, defund the police.

01:14:06.000 We'll defund... I don't care about that.

01:14:08.000 I'm gonna defund the trolls.

01:14:10.000 I can out-troll them.

01:14:10.000 I know I can.

01:14:11.000 I'll prove it.

01:14:12.000 Where does the money come from?

01:14:13.000 Who's funding it?

01:14:13.000 We're gonna find out.

01:14:14.000 We're finding out.

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:16.000 What if it's from foreign actors?

01:14:18.000 Then what?

01:14:19.000 Then they gotta register, depending on the extent to which... What if they didn't?

01:14:22.000 Should they go to jail?

01:14:24.000 No, you tell them to register as foreign agents.

01:14:25.000 And if they don't?

01:14:27.000 They shouldn't be allowed to do what they're doing.

01:14:30.000 I mean, they can.

01:14:30.000 You've got the BBC, you've got Sputnik, you've got RT, you've got Al Jazeera.

01:14:34.000 Voice of America, yeah.

01:14:35.000 Yeah, you've got all of these different media outlets putting out their perspective, their propaganda, their governments pay for it.

01:14:41.000 What's our perspective, though?

01:14:42.000 We don't like criminals?

01:14:43.000 That's a good perspective to have.

01:14:44.000 I think so, yeah.

01:14:45.000 Right, right, right.

01:14:45.000 So I guess the issue is... Or disingenuous actors.

01:14:48.000 Are you just going after people because you think they put out... No, we're doing an investigation and we look at stuff and we're like, whoa, that's connected to that.

01:14:55.000 What?

01:14:55.000 That's connected to that.

01:14:56.000 Why is that connected to that?

01:14:57.000 Yeah, no, it's all information that people should be aware of.

01:14:59.000 And then she starts leaking us tons of stuff is what happens, you know.

01:15:06.000 So then what?

01:15:11.000 Give people more information so they can be informed on what to believe and where to get their information.

01:15:18.000 If people want to stay in an echo chamber, I guess that's their prerogative.

01:15:22.000 They do.

01:15:23.000 That's fine.

01:15:23.000 But let them know that that's what they're doing.

01:15:26.000 Some people don't know that's what they're doing.

01:15:27.000 But why are you trying to tell your audience what they want?

01:15:29.000 I think you're underestimating people.

01:15:30.000 No, I try to tell people all the time to make sure they watch other people.

01:15:33.000 And I actually got, they yell at me because I only ever shout out leftist YouTubers.

01:15:37.000 You gotta quit using Daily Mail, by the way.

01:15:39.000 No, you guys are wrong.

01:15:42.000 They wanted me to be editor-in-chief at Daily Mail.

01:15:45.000 I used that to leverage Rolling Stone for an offer that I leveraged against Vice.

01:15:50.000 But I had no intention of working at Daily Mail.

01:15:52.000 I mean, they're literal launderers of filth.

01:15:54.000 So I use NewsGuard, which is a third-party rating agency, right?

01:16:00.000 So there's only a few exceptions I would use for what I would, you know, Project Red House is one of them.

01:16:06.000 Not verified, yeah.

01:16:07.000 And they're not verified.

01:16:08.000 But then basically, unless it's a bit of like opinion commentary, Daily Wire, for instance, they're not certified.

01:16:14.000 Daily Mail is, and what ends up happening is, if I pull up a story from The Hill, and then I pull up a story from Fox and CNN, all of that same context and cited information is on the Daily Mail.

01:16:25.000 So what ends up happening is, when I go through everything, I end up choosing what has the most comprehensive source.

01:16:31.000 They do aggregate.

01:16:31.000 I was talking about their original reporting, I guess, more than their aggregated stuff.

01:16:34.000 That makes sense, I get that.

01:16:36.000 I mean, I'm just saying, though, you know, at the same time, AP or Reuters or AFP, I don't see much bias in the reporting.

01:16:43.000 I guess there could be angles that are biased in individual reporters or individual reporters.

01:16:47.000 It's tough.

01:16:49.000 I know very few reporters left.

01:16:52.000 When I read stuff all the time, you see... But because these bad actors are defunding dirtilism in a lot of ways.

01:16:57.000 That's another problem I have professionally.

01:16:59.000 Really?

01:16:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:59.000 They're not defunding themselves?

01:17:01.000 But how are they getting media defunded?

01:17:03.000 No, defunded.

01:17:03.000 Because they're committing ad fraud and click fraud.

01:17:05.000 That ad fraud and click fraud could be... And it's based off incendiary content that a lot of times is not true.

01:17:11.000 Or it's a disingenuous angle that has nothing to do... You hit a nail on the head.

01:17:16.000 You know, if you're going to say, I'm doing this for X, Y, and Z, I'm doing this for Julian Assange, or I'm doing this for this person, but your real intention is to elect the president, then I'm going to scrape your servers, call you a liar, and roundly embarrass you in public, because I think it's funny.

01:17:29.000 And that's my freedom of speech.

01:17:30.000 And people like to watch other people get embarrassed, so I'll probably make some money off of it too.

01:17:35.000 It's my prerogative, you know.

01:17:36.000 So what do you think all this goes?

01:17:38.000 It sounds like you have more than one story.

01:17:39.000 We have about 20.

01:17:40.000 And we have several other media partners.

01:17:42.000 Well, I want to see this list of compromised people be confirmed.

01:17:45.000 We're not going to show that to anyone until we've confirmed it.

01:17:49.000 Right, right, right.

01:17:49.000 But I mean, that's a national security issue.

01:17:51.000 It is.

01:17:52.000 Which is why we have to be responsible with what we're doing with it and verifying it.

01:17:56.000 In fact, that's who we go to to verify it once we're, we're also reporters and and we can can use sources, you know, the Supreme Court's held it up.

01:18:04.000 Because what if you go, what if you go to the government with it?

01:18:06.000 No, that's not the Pentagon papers.

01:18:08.000 How do you know that?

01:18:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:10.000 That's a good question, yeah.

01:18:11.000 Yeah, so if... It sounds like everything's broken.

01:18:15.000 You go to a... Everyone's lying.

01:18:17.000 What you do is you create a situation where you go to a partner of the U.S., one of the Five Eyes nations, and you make sure that each step, because it's not just our problem, that each step of that is being handled with a backstop that makes sure that that can't get scuttled.

01:18:30.000 Because I do think the other set of documents we have from 1MDB If they are not, you know, one of these things where it's a

01:18:38.000 mixture of altered and real documents, which we are totally considering, that's why we're methodically

01:18:42.000 going by through each one, because either way it's a national security issue, right?

01:18:46.000 We have to get to the bottom of it.

01:18:47.000 How do you know you're not useful idiots?

01:18:49.000 Well, we know that this document in particular, because we went and visited a munitions salesman

01:18:53.000 and he said, I don't know where they got this document.

01:18:55.000 I don't know.

01:18:56.000 This is a former, like, intelligence agent that is very well respected throughout the Pentagon community, and actually will screw his business up if it finds out that these people, a middleman, got it and put brokerage fees.

01:19:06.000 And then, you know, like, do you really think that people should be, like, getting in the middle of arms sales?

01:19:12.000 No.

01:19:12.000 Well, I mean, like, often journalists will be used as a weapon.

01:19:17.000 Yeah, so that's actually a really good point, and I want to talk about that real quick, because Elliot Brody sent very similar legal threats back in 2018 to a number of outlets who were reporting on a totally separate trove of documents.

01:19:32.000 And in their first letter to us, I think they expected that we had that same stack of documents, because It was, like, I talked to an AP reporter who also worked on the story and received the same legal threats and said, yep, that was the same line, blah blah blah, and then he told me a little bit about what was in his documents and I thought, wow, that's strange, we have nothing that talks about that in our stack.

01:19:55.000 So yes, a lot of, a lot of other, the accusation was made towards other outlets back in 2018 that they were receiving doctored materials and reporting off of those.

01:20:05.000 However, they did their best to, at least AP, did their best to verify a lot of those and they reported based on what they could verify, which I think is responsible.

01:20:14.000 And they were never sued.

01:20:15.000 And they were never sued.

01:20:16.000 All right, all right.

01:20:17.000 Let me ask you guys something.

01:20:19.000 Glenn Greenwald quit The Intercept.

01:20:21.000 It's a baby.

01:20:22.000 He co-founded it.

01:20:24.000 You say what?

01:20:24.000 He's a baby.

01:20:25.000 He's a baby?

01:20:26.000 He cried.

01:20:27.000 Why do you say that?

01:20:28.000 Because people get edited.

01:20:29.000 I was an editor-in-chief.

01:20:30.000 Did you read what he wrote?

01:20:31.000 Yeah, I did.

01:20:32.000 He said that when they would write anti-Trump stuff, there would be no editing and no fact-checking.

01:20:38.000 And when he tried to write about Biden, they would give him the full gauntlet.

01:20:41.000 That's not the only weird thing he's done in a while.

01:20:44.000 Where are the Snowden archives?

01:20:45.000 Why were they not maintained?

01:20:47.000 For sure.

01:20:47.000 What happened with Reality Winner?

01:20:48.000 He could get to the bottom of that.

01:20:50.000 What happened?

01:20:50.000 I don't care.

01:20:53.000 I tweeted at him and I said, I'm not going to read this until Reality Winner and Jeremy Hammond and other people are out of jail and they can fucking tell their side of the story, right?

01:21:01.000 I don't care what he said because it's disingenuous.

01:21:03.000 So what about Matt Taibbi?

01:21:04.000 Matt Taibbi seems, I mean, I love The Exiled.

01:21:08.000 So you have these journalists who have quit saying that the media is corrupt.

01:21:11.000 Yep.

01:21:12.000 Protecting a political party.

01:21:13.000 Well, there's certainly... I mean, is everyone who does that going to be automatically a hero?

01:21:16.000 Like, no, there's going to be people on both sides.

01:21:18.000 I'm not saying they're heroes.

01:21:18.000 I'm saying we've got the... it seems like the entirety of the media functioning as a...

01:21:26.000 I shouldn't say entirety, I'll be very specific.

01:21:27.000 We have a large portion of high-profile individuals, particularly at the New York Times and other outlets, that are in the bag for a political ideology.

01:21:34.000 I think people need to start looking at reporters as individuals.

01:21:37.000 Absolutely, 100%.

01:21:38.000 I've been actually preaching that for a while, just because you... I'll use Hong Kong as an example, because SCMP, which takes a lot of money from Alibaba and China ties, of course.

01:21:51.000 So, individual reporters who were covering the Hong Kong protests did amazing work.

01:21:58.000 However, unfortunately, when their work came out the other end and was edited, it didn't always reflect what the reporters were doing.

01:22:05.000 So, you have to, I think, look at individual reporters, their work, and, you know, what their interests are, or if they get paid by certain Foreign actors, or... For sure, but... Like, Barry Weiss quits the New York Times saying that it's basically become an ideological wokefest.

01:22:22.000 We got more Slack leaks today from New York Mag that they're demanding of other employees, which side are you on?

01:22:29.000 They said, we're at the barricades of, like, change or something.

01:22:33.000 The people in these news organizations are literally trying to enact some kind of political agenda.

01:22:38.000 I'm not saying literally every single one, because I use this reporting all day as well.

01:22:42.000 But you have to, like, fight through.

01:22:43.000 It's like, you know, you're walking through the weeds with a machete trying to figure out where the real news is.

01:22:48.000 It's happening on both the right and the left.

01:22:50.000 I mean, but the right doesn't have that kind of apparatus.

01:22:52.000 You have to be a responsible adult, is what you have to be.

01:22:55.000 Too bad.

01:22:56.000 The world's a complicated place.

01:22:59.000 So when Tom Cotton publishes an article about how the military needs to be activated and go in and take care of some of this rioting, and the news boardroom throws a freaking fit... I don't read opinion columns, so I don't know.

01:23:12.000 That's not news.

01:23:13.000 It's something that needs to be said.

01:23:14.000 He has a right to say it.

01:23:15.000 Sure, he can post it on his Twitter or whatever.

01:23:18.000 I mean, who cares?

01:23:19.000 Just like Facebook and Twitter need to decide, are you a platform or a publisher?

01:23:22.000 Are you guys okay with the editorial room just like melting down?

01:23:25.000 No, I'm not.

01:23:26.000 But I don't care.

01:23:27.000 They're supposed to be being adults.

01:23:28.000 He's a powerful person.

01:23:30.000 He can find another outlet.

01:23:31.000 Deal with it.

01:23:32.000 I've been rejected too.

01:23:34.000 And I've had stories completely censored and I'm not complaining about it because I just do the story.

01:23:38.000 What are we supposed to do right now when journalists are just activists?

01:23:43.000 I don't know.

01:23:43.000 Are you an activist?

01:23:45.000 Oh, definitely.

01:23:45.000 In a lot of ways.

01:23:46.000 Then why do you call yourself a journalist?

01:23:48.000 Because you can be both.

01:23:49.000 No, you can't.

01:23:50.000 You can perform journalism.

01:23:51.000 You can't be a reporter.

01:23:52.000 It's literally defined as advocacy journalism.

01:23:55.000 So I would consider myself, as I always have, and in many aspects, information activist.

01:24:01.000 What's your metric for success?

01:24:04.000 Getting out the best understanding of what's going on.

01:24:11.000 Okay.

01:24:11.000 So, back in the day with, like, Occupy Wall Street, before Occupy, my involvement was based on me being a part of information activist hacker crews.

01:24:20.000 So, these people didn't consider themselves journalists, but news organizations called them journalists.

01:24:25.000 They called themselves, jokingly, hacktavernalists, as, like, a joke of mashing it all together.

01:24:30.000 Information activism was, let the transparency.

01:24:33.000 Give people the information, let them know, and let the decentralized network of individuals decide.

01:24:38.000 I don't agree with that.

01:24:40.000 We have something very very different in today's media where we actively have, and I've dealt with this surprisingly not at Vice for the most part, but at Fusion for instance.

01:24:49.000 Lie.

01:24:50.000 Lie to the public.

01:24:51.000 ABC.

01:24:51.000 Exactly.

01:24:52.000 Tell the audience what they want to hear, we want to make money.

01:24:54.000 There you go, right?

01:24:56.000 But now you have... Here's what I see happening.

01:24:59.000 News organizations were dying.

01:25:01.000 Have you noticed this?

01:25:02.000 It's really interesting that all these companies, even social media companies, were bleeding users, losing money, and then Trump got elected.

01:25:08.000 And then all of a sudden, Twitter started gaining users, and the media started writing about him all day, every day, non-stop.

01:25:14.000 The most absurd stories, stories about the alt-right started popping up, and they started making more money.

01:25:20.000 True.

01:25:21.000 They found a way to milk revenue.

01:25:23.000 Have you seen much field reporting in the past few years?

01:25:27.000 Absolutely not.

01:25:27.000 And this is something I coined the CNN challenge.

01:25:33.000 I have two videos on my Instagram where you turn on Fox News when a news story breaks and then turn on CNN and guess what?

01:25:40.000 Guess what Fox News is talking about?

01:25:41.000 Watch Al Jazeera and ignore both.

01:25:45.000 Well, you watch Al Jazeera, you get Cutter's perspective.

01:25:48.000 Well, you do.

01:25:49.000 But for everything that's not Cutter, it's going to be at least there's some on-the-ground reporting.

01:25:53.000 No one's going to GOMA from Fox or CNN, okay?

01:25:56.000 And I'm interested in that.

01:25:57.000 Now, do I have to then filter that from my own adult lens of being an adult person that has to discern?

01:26:03.000 They have agendas.

01:26:04.000 Everyone might have an agenda.

01:26:06.000 I have my own biases and things.

01:26:08.000 Yes, you do.

01:26:09.000 That's your responsibility.

01:26:10.000 I'm not going to spoon feed you or else you're going to end up with a divided country that's literally divided over like two or three issues and they could not tell you what they want.

01:26:18.000 They couldn't tell you, the average person could not tell you what's going to make them happy.

01:26:22.000 I agree with that.

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 That's their fault.

01:26:25.000 That's not no one else's fault.

01:26:26.000 That's their fault.

01:26:26.000 They're adults and they need to come to terms with that.

01:26:29.000 But you can probably guess my immediate bias is going to say that's predominantly an element of the default liberal or the left.

01:26:37.000 I don't know.

01:26:37.000 I don't look at the world in those terms.

01:26:40.000 I look at the world through an international relations lens.

01:26:42.000 There's a great book called The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.

01:26:46.000 It'll explain to you how the world works.

01:26:48.000 It's a neocon Bible, actually.

01:26:49.000 I'm not a neocon.

01:26:50.000 But it tells you, particularly in regards to China and the big threat of the sleeping giant, as they call it.

01:26:57.000 How international states, nation-states, how self-interest, so what's good for me and what's good for my allies is what's going to motivate me, and the pursuit of hegemony, which is being the ultimate power of the world, bar none.

01:27:13.000 That is what drives them.

01:27:14.000 Now that sounds a lot like what's going on with human beings right now.

01:27:18.000 And I don't think that's a tenable way.

01:27:20.000 Maybe it is.

01:27:20.000 I don't know.

01:27:21.000 We'll find out.

01:27:22.000 But certainly all this violence in the streets and the 49 states landslide, that didn't happen.

01:27:27.000 And that's nonsense.

01:27:28.000 Violence in the streets happened.

01:27:29.000 They called the National Guard in the Philly.

01:27:30.000 It didn't happen like it happens in other countries where there's true election interference, where people are getting shot at the polls.

01:27:35.000 And people said that was going to happen.

01:27:36.000 It didn't.

01:27:37.000 Oh yeah, well those people are nuts.

01:27:39.000 So we've had 49 state landslides in the past.

01:27:42.000 When?

01:27:42.000 Like 1873 or something?

01:27:44.000 1988.

01:27:45.000 Or was it 84?

01:27:46.000 84, sorry.

01:27:47.000 88 was Bush.

01:27:48.000 84, there you go.

01:27:49.000 1984.

01:27:49.000 Conspiracy.

01:27:50.000 Oh yeah, it was 84.

01:27:51.000 It was the Reagan 49 state landslide.

01:27:54.000 1972 was Nixon.

01:27:55.000 It happens when there's, you know, and it wasn't absolute unity, it was just the states had slightly more people who all agreed with Reagan or Nixon.

01:28:03.000 Do you believe gerrymandering is an issue that affects elections?

01:28:07.000 Absolutely.

01:28:08.000 It's complicated, though.

01:28:11.000 One of the big things we got from this election was that the Republicans took more House legislatures, which means come 2021, they're going to control redistricting, which is going to reshape the House at the federal level.

01:28:21.000 The thing about gerrymandering is that it's often only ever talked about in a negative light.

01:28:25.000 Why is this district shaped this way?

01:28:28.000 And definitely there's a power battle between the Democrats and the Republicans.

01:28:32.000 There's also a concern that if you just did everything as blocks, you would end up with extreme minority disrepresentation.

01:28:40.000 Meaning, if you ever looked at the diagram for how they talk about gerrymandering, if you have five blocks, and each block has two yellow and three green, green controls everything.

01:28:52.000 But that means 40% of your country has no representation at all.

01:28:55.000 So with gerrymandering, you create some voice for the minority because we're a republic.

01:29:00.000 It's not, uh, it's not so simple as to say how it should or shouldn't be done.

01:29:04.000 Which plays into Electoral College as well with what you're, you know.

01:29:07.000 Right.

01:29:07.000 Which is the Electoral College, in my opinion, is extremely important.

01:29:10.000 But even Trump wanted to abolish that the first term.

01:29:13.000 Because Trump's a politician and they all say these things.

01:29:16.000 Whenever it's coming down to why they're going to lose, they'll create a reason for it.

01:29:20.000 But he didn't lose the first time.

01:29:21.000 Exactly.

01:29:22.000 And then all of a sudden he's like, oh, well, those are the rules.

01:29:24.000 Hillary Clinton played by the exact same rules.

01:29:26.000 She just didn't think she was going to lose the blue wall.

01:29:29.000 She lost.

01:29:30.000 Exactly.

01:29:31.000 The Democrats believed that they had the blue wall states in the bag and she didn't need to go there.

01:29:34.000 And she lost them by razor-thin margins.

01:29:36.000 Wouldn't it be great to not have to think about any of that and just have a direct democracy?

01:29:38.000 No, absolutely not.

01:29:39.000 Why not?

01:29:39.000 Because I witnessed what happened in California when you don't have proportional representation based on natural resources.

01:29:45.000 When in East Porterville their well water was stripped away because San Diego and Los Angeles were able to vote away the water rights from smaller towns.

01:29:51.000 I live in Los Angeles.

01:29:52.000 It's lovely.

01:29:52.000 It's a great place to live.

01:29:53.000 Yeah, so it's easy for you to say when you live in Los Angeles and you've got 13 million people who vote against the 300,000.

01:29:57.000 There's a water problem.

01:29:58.000 There's a lot of problems.

01:29:59.000 And you know what, you know what LA did?

01:30:01.000 You voted to take the surface water from the poor migrants in the east.

01:30:04.000 I didn't vote for anything.

01:30:05.000 I'm not saying, I'm saying Los Angeles did this.

01:30:07.000 In Los Angeles, the city said, we get the surface water.

01:30:11.000 So the farmers said, how are we supposed to grow food?

01:30:13.000 So they started digging wells down thousands of feet.

01:30:16.000 And all of the poor farmer families who did the labor that feed people in this country lost access to their own water.

01:30:22.000 And they were given big tanks of dirty non-potable water.

01:30:26.000 This is why the Electoral College, I believe, is important.

01:30:31.000 Because we've already gone through issues, and I've learned all about this when I was doing fundraising for non-profit groups in Chicago to protect Lake Michigan.

01:30:39.000 Several states were trying to sue the Great Lakes Coalition to take water from the Great Lakes, depleting them, and send them into areas that were experiencing drought, saying, we are one country, we have the right.

01:30:50.000 That's not correct.

01:30:51.000 I believe that's absolutely wrong.

01:30:53.000 And Illinois should have its own representation to protect its interests, as should Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio and Pennsylvania or other states that line the Great Lakes.

01:31:02.000 Because these states have a coalition.

01:31:05.000 Along with Ontario.

01:31:06.000 To manage the amount of water that the Great Lakes have because if they use too much or pollute them, then it drains.

01:31:13.000 It'll be gone forever.

01:31:14.000 They need to make sure it keeps replenishing.

01:31:16.000 Other states want that water.

01:31:18.000 If we were going by direct popular vote, then Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago would dictate almost everything.

01:31:24.000 No, that's not true.

01:31:25.000 We're talking about the presidential election, you know?

01:31:27.000 Like, that's not true.

01:31:29.000 I think direct democracy... Are you saying that direct democracy of one vote, one person popular vote would result... Terrible idea.

01:31:36.000 Would it result in only liberals winning?

01:31:38.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:31:38.000 I'm just trying to understand.

01:31:39.000 No, absolutely not.

01:31:40.000 Okay.

01:31:40.000 In fact, the National Popular Vote Coalition is one of the biggest mistakes California and Colorado are making.

01:31:46.000 Right now, California is not going to give their electoral votes to a Republican.

01:31:51.000 Yeah.

01:31:51.000 By entering the coalition, they're creating the possibility they do.

01:31:54.000 But that's the deal that everyone has to make, right?

01:31:55.000 Right. I think it's a bad idea.

01:31:58.000 Okay. Okay.

01:31:58.000 So they can go forward with it. But I think ultimately, you've got people who want some global international

01:32:04.000 cooperation.

01:32:05.000 But think about how that works with the UN. The United States makes its own laws,

01:32:09.000 and then we have international agreements and international cooperation on certain

01:32:13.000 universal laws. Like, you murder someone in the country, they're going to track you down.

01:32:17.000 However, we might not have an extradition treaty with certain countries.

01:32:21.000 The U.S.

01:32:21.000 makes its own laws.

01:32:22.000 The states make their own laws.

01:32:23.000 The cities, the counties, etc.

01:32:25.000 If we just got rid of all of that, then you end up having laws that make no sense for people in rural Montana compared to someone who lives in New York.

01:32:33.000 Well, I don't know.

01:32:35.000 You know, all I'll say is this, that I think that in the United States, people are about as well off as they've ever been in the grand scheme of things.

01:32:46.000 I definitely think that politics has become a circus show in terms of how the media has covered it.

01:32:53.000 And I think hopefully that will change in terms of you really did not see on the ground coverage.

01:32:57.000 You did not see domestic coverage that explored issues like this.

01:33:01.000 Because all the air was sucked out of the room.

01:33:02.000 So if there's one thing that I hope happens is that improves and now that the media has been essentially gutted, you know... Well, I think you guys got to do it.

01:33:10.000 Well, we could.

01:33:12.000 We're not going to, you know... Look, look, look.

01:33:13.000 One of the challenges with the stories that you're presenting is that you're actually investigating issues that are outside of this ridiculous culture war bubble.

01:33:21.000 Yeah.

01:33:21.000 And so a lot of people's whole world right now is the election just happened.

01:33:25.000 Who's doing this?

01:33:26.000 Who's doing that?

01:33:27.000 Who's in my movie?

01:33:28.000 And you guys are like, Hey, we found like a network of people who might be compromised and like these, these, these manipulation or amplification networks.

01:33:35.000 Most people don't hear about that because no matter what you turn on, you're getting the same world, the same world.

01:33:40.000 And it's like, like you said, red and blue.

01:33:43.000 So when we go and even when we turn to my content, especially.

01:33:45.000 So let's say that we focus this laser beam towards journalists who are doing this compromise.

01:33:51.000 Then you're not going to hear those voices because either their handlers are going to pick them up and put them in a bag and take them somewhere, or they're going to get demonetized across platforms because they're committing advertising fraud.

01:34:02.000 And that's how we plan to solve that.

01:34:05.000 And I'll have it like this.

01:34:07.000 And we got control of the botnet, so that'll be fun.

01:34:09.000 You control the botnet?

01:34:10.000 We're going to get control of it, yeah.

01:34:12.000 I mean, but these are illegally compromised computers.

01:34:14.000 You can't do anything with that.

01:34:15.000 Oh, we can hand it over, you know, and say, hey, yep, this works with a sysadmin that's registered.

01:34:20.000 Yeah, we can do that.

01:34:21.000 So how about instead of talking about culture war stuff or like criticizing journalists who you don't think are doing a good job, you boost journalists who are?

01:34:30.000 So, you guys are here.

01:34:35.000 The only reason I haven't actually built an office building and put people in is because COVID happened.

01:34:40.000 And now, I don't know if you guys remember when I was looking at the building in New Jersey.

01:34:46.000 That we had an actual building, and the plan was to bring in people and, like, do journalism.

01:34:52.000 Congratulations.

01:34:53.000 And walk away.

01:34:54.000 Well, you were talking about having Cassandra Fairbanks do fact-checking, though.

01:34:56.000 That's a little... I wasn't talking about having Cassandra do fact-checking.

01:34:59.000 No, I'm friends with Cassandra, but... I'm pretty sure you were.

01:35:02.000 Just like you said, I claimed Julian Assange told me... You did!

01:35:05.000 No, I did not, dude.

01:35:06.000 I don't make that shit up.

01:35:08.000 If that had happened, that would have been, like, one of the biggest stories of my career.

01:35:12.000 That's what I was like once.

01:35:14.000 Maybe I misheard you.

01:35:15.000 And you said that wasn't true.

01:35:16.000 I like Cassandra.

01:35:18.000 I think she's great.

01:35:19.000 I think she's partisan.

01:35:20.000 And I want to hire actual journalists and be like, go.

01:35:25.000 Go do journalism.

01:35:26.000 And I don't care whatever it is you pull up, tell me.

01:35:29.000 I'm not going to tell you what you can or can't.

01:35:31.000 Speaking of the water stuff, one of the first things we started investigating that COVID interrupted was about as apolitical as you get.

01:35:37.000 Everybody's got to drink water, even if you don't like it.

01:35:40.000 So, even if you're drinking Coke all day.

01:35:42.000 And it was about Pollen Springs, which is the number one, at least I believe, it might have changed since the pandemic, probably would have gone up, number one UPC scan in New York City, at least.

01:35:52.000 It's one of the biggest bottled water brands in the world.

01:35:54.000 And you've lived in New York, you know, you've seen it.

01:35:57.000 It's the, whatever that is, the Crystal River of New York and the Northeast.

01:36:02.000 Well, it appears that a third of every bottle is pumped from a location that, at least visually, and we are looking into the scientific underpinnings, and we are looking into certain permits that don't seem to add up, or let's say that there seems to be more than one version of a permit at a state level.

01:36:18.000 If you looked at this place within the 300 yard radius of this pump that pumps out or the spring supposedly that pumps out 500,000 gallons a day of water goes into about, you know, a third of every Poland spring bottle is made of this water because they blend different sources together.

01:36:33.000 It's literally got like a 1975 Chevy rotting into the dirt next to it.

01:36:38.000 It's got like disgusting toilet system.

01:36:41.000 Are you breaking more news right now?

01:36:43.000 Well, not yet.

01:36:43.000 Wait till you see the video.

01:36:45.000 We couldn't finish it because the congressional inquiries that were going to happen, and Canada in the midterm has kicked them out in terms of using any water sources, because you're right about that, you know, that relationship that's there.

01:36:55.000 Yeah.

01:36:55.000 But the congressional inquiries have now been pushed because of COVID, because they couldn't come and, you know, and do this in D.C.

01:37:01.000 So I've got several whistleblowers that have given me about 20 years worth of documents that, yeah, if we're successful, result in the largest product recall I think that's ever happened.

01:37:10.000 Sounds like something that very few outlets are doing anything of.

01:37:13.000 Well, I pitched it to several and they, um, you know, all of a sudden they love it.

01:37:16.000 And then two months later, they're like, we don't have the resources.

01:37:18.000 And you see, you see Perrier ads.

01:37:20.000 Yeah.

01:37:21.000 Some advertisers pop up.

01:37:22.000 There's some companies that just think they came into some money.

01:37:24.000 We played a long game.

01:37:25.000 You know, I want to.

01:37:27.000 I ask people a lot of questions that I already know the answers to.

01:37:29.000 It's an old investigative tactic.

01:37:31.000 They end up lying and then I come back with the proof later and I'm like, you lied.

01:37:35.000 And then they try to worm out of it and it's a fun game.

01:37:37.000 And when you put it on camera and you put the whole process and it's transparent, no one can really leverage against you.

01:37:42.000 And it's a new way of doing things to confuse people.

01:37:44.000 They think, you know, we're agents.

01:37:45.000 I'll take that as a compliment.

01:37:48.000 I'll give you my breakdown of everything I think is happening in media.

01:37:51.000 Sure.

01:37:52.000 The internet changed everything, obviously.

01:37:54.000 Obviously.

01:37:54.000 But with social media algorithms, it created an opportunity for news organizations to be built around one idea.

01:38:01.000 So there was a period where we had one site, and I've mentioned this, many people who follow the show might have heard me say it, There was a website that did nothing but police brutality videos, and it was in the global top 500 websites.

01:38:11.000 Like, how insane is that?

01:38:12.000 People literally would go to this website just to watch this, as if they were addicted to watching cops beat people.

01:38:17.000 But they hated the cops.

01:38:19.000 Facebook was feeding this to people over and over and over again.

01:38:22.000 It was the algorithm, it was like, it was shocking, it was angering, and people would click it.

01:38:26.000 News outlets, they started getting venture funding.

01:38:29.000 They were the more successful outlets.

01:38:31.000 It was because they realized you could combine terms.

01:38:33.000 You can combine political retaliation with racism, with sexism, with bigotry, whatever.

01:38:37.000 And it started to create this fractured worldview.

01:38:39.000 The best example is Mike.com.

01:38:42.000 When Mike.com started, you know they were like pro-Ron Paul, pro-internet liberty?

01:38:46.000 Makes sense.

01:38:46.000 And then slowly became woke social justice.

01:38:49.000 Why?

01:38:50.000 Because the things that get the most shares have the most keywords, and so you could do racist, sexist cops attacking Black Lives Matter.

01:38:57.000 And what do those things do?

01:38:57.000 And what do what?

01:38:58.000 What do the most shares do?

01:38:59.000 They make the most.

01:38:59.000 They make the most money.

01:39:01.000 So this created a network of news outlets, which also created an inversion, the counter to it, right?

01:39:08.000 You created social justice and anti-SJW.

01:39:11.000 And then you end up seeing news organizations compete with this.

01:39:16.000 They all start failing.

01:39:17.000 They start losing subscribers, their ratings start going down, because rage and tribalism was visceral to people.

01:39:25.000 The dish of the day.

01:39:26.000 Exactly.

01:39:27.000 So then what does the New York Times do?

01:39:29.000 Hire these people!

01:39:30.000 We're losing money!

01:39:31.000 Hire them and write these stories.

01:39:33.000 And now we have activist news organizations.

01:39:36.000 And then along comes some dude who worked with this guy at Vice, who creates a YouTube channel and starts talking about his opinions, and essentially creates something very, very similar.

01:39:43.000 A partisan YouTube channel where I complain about Democrats and talk about my personal opinions and why I don't like one faction over the other, and then at a certain point I was like, this is the entire problem?

01:39:54.000 Sure.

01:39:55.000 I'm a guy who likes talking about his opinions.

01:39:57.000 And I read the news and I say, here's what I think.

01:39:58.000 But you gravitate towards the opinion pages of the news.

01:40:01.000 You don't gravitate towards reporting.

01:40:02.000 That's not true at all.

01:40:02.000 Well, I mean, what I'm saying is there's very valid reporting in the New York Times, and there's some weird stuff in there too.

01:40:07.000 And I use the valid reporting stuff.

01:40:09.000 Fair enough, fair enough.

01:40:09.000 You can't blanket statement those comparing what you're doing to the New York Times.

01:40:14.000 Vice got in trouble for that early on.

01:40:15.000 What do you mean?

01:40:17.000 Comparing what you're doing to the New York Times.

01:40:19.000 I'm doing opinion commentary.

01:40:20.000 Sure, but you're not doing reporting.

01:40:23.000 You're not doing reporting.

01:40:24.000 You don't leave the house.

01:40:25.000 That does that.

01:40:26.000 So you cannot report.

01:40:28.000 You never call anybody on the phone.

01:40:29.000 I do.

01:40:29.000 I actually do.

01:40:30.000 Yeah, that's incorrect.

01:40:31.000 And you should record it and put it in your broadcast.

01:40:33.000 So I reach out for comments frequently.

01:40:36.000 I do emails frequently.

01:40:38.000 And I'm wrong.

01:40:38.000 I'm wrong about that.

01:40:39.000 I'm sorry.

01:40:39.000 Right.

01:40:39.000 And so this is something a lot of a lot of people make assumptions like you don't even do it.

01:40:43.000 Why would you why would someone because we don't see it.

01:40:45.000 That's why.

01:40:45.000 But you don't see it when people write stories.

01:40:47.000 You're right.

01:40:47.000 The New York Times says, you know, my favorite Huffington Post story, people close to the president say he has no one close to him.

01:40:52.000 Yes, and that's a very good point.

01:40:54.000 I don't like to use anonymous sources.

01:40:56.000 The only time I use anonymous sources is if they're going to be in harm's way.

01:41:00.000 Otherwise, you should try to I did a story where I got leaked documents and I reached out to several organizations for comment and I published the story.

01:41:08.000 I've reached out, but I say it's not... What about when you got the Grinnell audio stuff?

01:41:14.000 Like from Cassandra and Grinnell and that whole... Schwartz.

01:41:18.000 Oh, but it's related to Grinnell.

01:41:20.000 Did I publish that?

01:41:21.000 No, but she gave it to you, right?

01:41:24.000 No, I don't think so.

01:41:25.000 I think she published that.

01:41:26.000 No, but she gave it to you and then, what, it was in February it was published by Politico?

01:41:31.000 Yeah, Politico.

01:41:32.000 Yeah.

01:41:32.000 Or I think Politico.

01:41:33.000 Yeah.

01:41:34.000 Natasha.

01:41:34.000 But she showed it to you in like... I don't think I had anything definitive.

01:41:38.000 You showed it to me though.

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 Maybe.

01:41:40.000 I don't know.

01:41:41.000 I don't remember.

01:41:42.000 Okay.

01:41:44.000 I actually have a bunch of stories that would probably...

01:41:49.000 You should let us vet him.

01:41:50.000 Yeah, you should.

01:41:51.000 You shouldn't talk about anything you don't.

01:41:53.000 The problem is I'd love to say them all right now, but if I can't prove it, I'm not gonna blur it out on the show.

01:41:59.000 You shouldn't talk about anything you can't prove.

01:42:00.000 But anyway, what I'm trying to say is, like, this is why I say as often as possible, you can't just watch my show.

01:42:07.000 You can't just watch my YouTube content. You have to go check out other people.

01:42:10.000 And I think one of the reasons YouTube has done a good job and is better than the likes of mainstream media

01:42:15.000 is that if you watch a video on a certain topic, you might get a progressive YouTuber's take on the same topic.

01:42:23.000 You might see, or even a show like, you know, The Hill's Rising, where you've got Cigar and Crystal and they're kind of both populous on each side and you get different takes on things.

01:42:31.000 But if you go to like Fox News or MSNBC, you only get one view.

01:42:35.000 And there are people who only go to those websites.

01:42:36.000 Now there's a bunch of other really garbage websites, especially there's some websites

01:42:40.000 that are right wing that are just like, they don't care to vet.

01:42:44.000 They don't want to vet.

01:42:45.000 They want to just write and get the clicks.

01:42:47.000 Like Gateway Pundit?

01:42:48.000 There are some websites.

01:42:50.000 They've got some issues with their servers, too.

01:42:52.000 You want some fun?

01:42:53.000 If you've got multi, go plug that one in.

01:42:54.000 Yeah, check it out.

01:42:55.000 It'll blow your mind.

01:42:57.000 But there's left-wing versions of that, too.

01:42:59.000 Albeit, the left-wing versions try to make it look like they're real news.

01:43:03.000 But you can tell.

01:43:05.000 They're not as good at the fraud as the right-wing guys.

01:43:07.000 The right-wing guys?

01:43:08.000 No, they're nowhere near as good.

01:43:09.000 I think there was...

01:43:12.000 I don't know.

01:43:12.000 I don't know what caused that.

01:43:13.000 I think it, it might be because older people were susceptible to this stuff.

01:43:17.000 Yeah.

01:43:17.000 Boomer stuff.

01:43:18.000 Yeah.

01:43:18.000 Early on.

01:43:18.000 And they started putting out crazy stories.

01:43:20.000 I even remember talking about, I talked about this once about manipulation and how you could easily see the formula that they use to make fake news, to target old right-wing individuals.

01:43:30.000 This is the crazy part to me.

01:43:31.000 And that's how, you know, at the end of the day, boomers are the ones propagating this stuff because they don't understand the internet's forever.

01:43:37.000 And it's like, we can find everything if we go and look in the right place.

01:43:41.000 The problem is right now, here's the way I see it.

01:43:44.000 The left, as we define it, whatever that means, tends to be people who just trust mainstream news outlets.

01:43:51.000 The right completely distrusts them, except for like Tucker Carlson and Hannity.

01:43:55.000 Which is ridiculous.

01:43:57.000 But for real, there was like a Pew research showing it was like, who do you trust?

01:44:00.000 It's true.

01:44:01.000 There was like on the right, the conservative side, it was all orange for like distrust, except for two blue chunks.

01:44:06.000 Journalists are overtaking lawyers is the most hated profession.

01:44:10.000 Yeah, sounds about right.

01:44:12.000 So here's what I have to deal with.

01:44:13.000 I'll be reading a news article and I'll be like, did this person even Google search this?

01:44:17.000 No.

01:44:18.000 Exactly.

01:44:18.000 Like NBC News will do this.

01:44:21.000 And do you guys know what cytogenesis is?

01:44:23.000 It sounds familiar.

01:44:25.000 Self-referential citation in news organizations.

01:44:27.000 Oh, yes, yes, yes.

01:44:28.000 They do that, yeah.

01:44:29.000 So here's the problem.

01:44:30.000 You have two worlds of fake news.

01:44:33.000 One has, I think there are malicious actors on the right.

01:44:38.000 And then on the left, there's malicious actors, but they're just corporations.

01:44:41.000 So what they're doing is like... Astro-turfing and stuff.

01:44:43.000 It's obvious.

01:44:44.000 It's like, you know, Rick from finance is like, we need articles.

01:44:48.000 I got a million views.

01:44:49.000 Go write about Trump being bad.

01:44:50.000 And they do it.

01:44:50.000 Now let's get to the, I think one of the biggest problems on both sides are the crisis management and PR people, who I have a particular disdain for.

01:44:59.000 Because there's more PR people than there are journalists and that should be inverted, like one to three or something.

01:45:05.000 And I love going after PR people.

01:45:07.000 I mean, we're going to out a couple PR people that are doing some bad stuff pretty soon.

01:45:11.000 And I've never been allowed to do, like I've always been, I kind of, you know, by the time I was 30 or 31 had achieved most of the goals that I set out to do.

01:45:20.000 And I was really astounded.

01:45:22.000 I was very lucky.

01:45:23.000 I was very grateful for those opportunities.

01:45:25.000 But I noticed when I started doing stories like John McAfee, right, which we own the footage that will come out at some point and, you know, you just got to Google BuzzFeed Geodata Rocco and you'll find the truth.

01:45:37.000 They've SEO'd it out of existence.

01:45:39.000 But my point is like, you know, I've come up butt up against stories where it's like, no, yeah, I've been told we don't do that type of reporting.

01:45:47.000 I'm like, what?

01:45:48.000 Like real reporting?

01:45:49.000 Like what?

01:45:50.000 And it's true though.

01:45:51.000 And so, you know, I just feel like I just feel like there's a lot of stuff that you're not supposed to do, and now that we're doing that, we're finding that we were right.

01:46:05.000 And the harder we push, and the more non-traditional people we work with, like we talked about journalism as an activity, like our sysadmin.

01:46:11.000 He's a great securities admin.

01:46:13.000 He actually was approached by Steve Bannon, and he looks in some ways fondly at some of his philosophies.

01:46:20.000 I think that might be changing now when we're showing him various things.

01:46:24.000 My point is I'm willing to talk to anyone.

01:46:28.000 I find that once I start talking about this stuff, They're like, that's too complicated.

01:46:32.000 I'm like, well, that's the crime.

01:46:33.000 It is complicated.

01:46:34.000 It's tough.

01:46:36.000 It's tough.

01:46:36.000 Like whenever I talk about Russiagate or Obamagate, it is mind-numbing.

01:46:41.000 It's really simple, though.

01:46:42.000 It's the oldest trick in the book.

01:46:43.000 You know what a shell company is, right?

01:46:45.000 Yeah.

01:46:45.000 OK, so a shell company, like we went to Wyoming to investigate the shell companies that are associated with the Panama Papers, the addresses.

01:46:52.000 And we find like suites that are like five offices of all these companies, and they're all empty.

01:46:57.000 They have like a desk and chairs, no papers, a mailbox.

01:47:00.000 What the heck?

01:47:03.000 Now these are found in the Panama Papers.

01:47:04.000 Now, Guo Wengui, we talked to a guy, a senior administrator at a top three tech company, who was hired to create a script that would use the Panama Papers to, quote, create blackmail.

01:47:16.000 Okay, and he found out that that's what he was doing, and he's like, I only need to do this, and according to him, Guo took it, and took it to China, and made this, who knows what he made.

01:47:24.000 My point is, is like, you know, that's obviously an issue, and that's something nobody, they could have called this guy up, any outlet, and found this out.

01:47:33.000 If people don't understand shell companies, I don't have any, they have no hope.

01:47:38.000 If they don't understand Cambridge Analytica, they have no hope.

01:47:40.000 I don't know what to say about it, you know?

01:47:41.000 Look, you can't tell someone who dedicated their life to be- There's a whole movie on Netflix about Cambridge Journal.

01:47:45.000 I mean, they can go watch it.

01:47:46.000 Yeah, but even these, like- Dude, what did Steve Bannon realize?

01:47:50.000 He realized that Gamergate and the World of Warcraft gold miners, there was an immense power and disenfranchised audience there.

01:47:57.000 He was right.

01:47:58.000 Gamers and that and the internet and 4chan isn't of there's more people that are into that than there are movies They just you don't hear about them because they're discreet.

01:48:06.000 It's a huge audience So you can't tell me that there aren't a bunch of people on here right now that understand this and those people that understand it I don't really care about getting through the people that understand it because they're just gonna be what do you guys sheeples deeples?

01:48:18.000 Regular people spend their time Mastering their trade their craft or whatever sure they come home.

01:48:23.000 They turn the news because it's a job.

01:48:24.000 They essentially have a Yeah.

01:48:26.000 And we're going to mess that up for them.

01:48:29.000 We're going to show you how the sausage is made.

01:48:31.000 It's really disgusting.

01:48:33.000 I think most people have... Yeah, but it's not... It's kind of like we all know McDonald's chicken nuggets are gross, but we've never actually seen the video of it.

01:48:39.000 And we eat them.

01:48:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:48:41.000 I don't.

01:48:42.000 I haven't had it.

01:48:42.000 Yeah, I'm good on that.

01:48:43.000 I've talked about it quite a bit.

01:48:45.000 I worked for, you know, ABC News Univision.

01:48:48.000 And it was... they wanted to make money.

01:48:52.000 Of course!

01:48:54.000 So, you're right.

01:48:55.000 And we shouldn't look at this through a political lens, we should look at it through a criminal lens.

01:48:58.000 And what do criminals want?

01:49:00.000 Money.

01:49:00.000 You follow the money.

01:49:01.000 And that should be about as simple as it gets.

01:49:03.000 How is he going to get more— Well, no, no, no. I'll say there's probably criminal

01:49:07.000 elements there, but the issue is— No, it's a complete—

01:49:09.000 And we've talked about this. Go to an investor and say, I want to do journalism.

01:49:15.000 And they're going to say, how much do you need and what do I get?

01:49:16.000 OK, it's going to be for a year.

01:49:18.000 I'm going to investigate this big thing.

01:49:20.000 It's going to cost half a million bucks.

01:49:21.000 OK, what do I get after a year?

01:49:22.000 I don't know.

01:49:23.000 I don't know what I'm going to find.

01:49:24.000 You get movie rights and a Netflix deal.

01:49:25.000 But if I don't find a news story, then you're out of luck.

01:49:28.000 Well, that would be ridiculous to try to prejudge a news story before you had proof.

01:49:31.000 You'd be stupid.

01:49:32.000 You're asking for money to launch an investigative news company.

01:49:34.000 No, I'm not asking for money.

01:49:35.000 I can find the money.

01:49:36.000 If you go to an investor and say, I want to launch an investigative outlet, and they say, what do I get?

01:49:41.000 You'll say... I have several people that just because they know who I am and what I've done, yeah.

01:49:45.000 What do you think happens when you go to an investor and say, I want to write a rage bait, you know, anti-Donald Trump or, well, Joe Biden.

01:49:52.000 Well, it depends on who it is.

01:49:53.000 If it's people like Peter Thiel or Jeff Chesia, they'd probably give you some money.

01:49:58.000 When you look at the hard numbers, the money is in writing about Brad Pitt's junk and complaining about movies and cultural issues.

01:50:04.000 Or fake traffic and botnets and malware.

01:50:06.000 For sure, for sure.

01:50:07.000 That's the criminal element.

01:50:08.000 And that's happening.

01:50:09.000 What I'm saying is the problem we face is that the short-term economic incentive is not in doing real journalism.

01:50:15.000 Yeah, so what if I take out... That's difficult!

01:50:18.000 What if I take out the very players?

01:50:20.000 Not, because I've got the list.

01:50:21.000 What if we take out the very players...

01:50:23.000 No, dude, dude, dude.

01:50:24.000 Come on.

01:50:25.000 There's no list stopping the average person from making the choice.

01:50:29.000 You're right.

01:50:29.000 But if you take that choice away from them because they're a disingenuous actor, where does it go?

01:50:33.000 I don't know.

01:50:33.000 We don't know.

01:50:34.000 We have freedom of speech.

01:50:35.000 I'm doing the things that you're not supposed to do.

01:50:37.000 That's all I know.

01:50:37.000 And we're going to see what happens.

01:50:39.000 Excellent.

01:50:41.000 We'll do more of it.

01:50:41.000 We will.

01:50:42.000 How about we do Super Chats now?

01:50:43.000 We should read Super Chats.

01:50:44.000 We're way over.

01:50:45.000 Super Chats?

01:50:45.000 What are Super Chats?

01:50:46.000 The comments from the people who are going to be... I thought it was like Super Jail.

01:50:49.000 That's my favorite show.

01:50:51.000 People throw money at us.

01:50:52.000 Can you pull up RealClearPolitics?

01:50:54.000 Do I have to dance?

01:50:55.000 Yeah, you get more money if you dance.

01:50:56.000 Look up 538 RealClearPolitics.

01:50:57.000 I looked that up.

01:50:59.000 I don't see anything to confirm that they've changed their tune about those states.

01:51:02.000 Sorry.

01:51:03.000 Yeah, people are claiming that certain states got retracted or something.

01:51:07.000 Let's see.

01:51:07.000 The Productive Slayer says, China also performed human rights violations.

01:51:11.000 They prosecute and detained people that are religious, foreign, or anyone they consider as a threat to their political system.

01:51:16.000 The big one is Uyghurs concentration camp and forces live organ harvest.

01:51:20.000 Stay away from TikTok.

01:51:21.000 I can talk about that one.

01:51:22.000 We've done videos before on the Uyghurs.

01:51:24.000 Really?

01:51:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:25.000 We've done two videos with a certain group in DC.

01:51:29.000 And yeah, I mean, you can go into Subverse's old videos, now Scanner, SCNR.

01:51:36.000 And yeah, we did two videos on that issue, and it's something that we are going to continue looking at, because we are making more contacts along the way regarding those things.

01:51:45.000 Very cool.

01:51:45.000 Check it out.

01:51:45.000 That's an investigation.

01:51:46.000 We actually... Well, we won't get into that yet.

01:51:48.000 No, we shouldn't.

01:51:49.000 We'll just say that.

01:51:49.000 We'll watch that one, yeah.

01:51:51.000 Once you see organ harvesting happening through a Zoom call, maybe that will make the story distilled to you a little bit quicker.

01:51:57.000 So, but you're saying hard confirmation on this stuff?

01:51:59.000 No, no, I'm saying it's possible to get.

01:52:01.000 Okay.

01:52:02.000 We don't know the laws yet.

01:52:03.000 We're working on it.

01:52:04.000 Ah, I see.

01:52:04.000 Interesting.

01:52:06.000 All right.

01:52:07.000 Wing Knight says, keep on talking the truth.

01:52:09.000 Stay safe.

01:52:10.000 We'll do.

01:52:11.000 Dima says, the reason avocado toast socialists treat the working class poorly is they don't even know we exist.

01:52:17.000 It is time for us to express our immense displeasure for our treatment the past five years and the past five decades by striking, energy, trucking, logging, and more.

01:52:26.000 Cool.

01:52:26.000 Interesting.

01:52:28.000 Let's see, we have another one?

01:52:29.000 Nope, there we go.

01:52:31.000 Okay, J. McGurr says, I was talking to someone today and they brought up the 2016 recounts and while I was looking it up, Wiki said that 59% of precincts in Detroit were ineligible for recount because the amount of ballots in the box did not match the number printed from the machines.

01:52:46.000 I haven't looked it up myself, but I did see a headline.

01:52:48.000 It's not enough, but I don't know if you guys saw this.

01:52:51.000 There was like, right now in several counties in like Florida and I think in Wisconsin, voter turnout rates exceeded 100%.

01:53:01.000 Which... How?

01:53:01.000 How's that possible?

01:53:02.000 They say it's because people changed their address.

01:53:05.000 That's their official explanation.

01:53:06.000 And where was it answered?

01:53:08.000 There's a bunch.

01:53:09.000 Florida.

01:53:09.000 Florida precinct.

01:53:10.000 538.

01:53:10.000 Oh, the precinct.

01:53:12.000 I see.

01:53:12.000 And then in several counties in Wisconsin.

01:53:15.000 Greater than 100%.

01:53:15.000 It needs to be investigated.

01:53:17.000 Yeah, I would say so.

01:53:18.000 That's my stance.

01:53:19.000 I'm like... But it will and we'll figure it out.

01:53:20.000 I hope so.

01:53:21.000 I'm not convinced it will be investigated.

01:53:23.000 Well, we'll investigate it.

01:53:23.000 How about that?

01:53:24.000 I'm from Florida.

01:53:24.000 Yeah, do it!

01:53:25.000 That would be so much fun, you guys.

01:53:26.000 I got some people in the Florida election.

01:53:27.000 Do it, please.

01:53:28.000 Yeah, let's do it.

01:53:29.000 Take a look.

01:53:29.000 Go scanner.

01:53:30.000 Yeah, go scanner.

01:53:32.000 We gotta get to a little bit more bandwidth there, but it's gonna... Look, math adds up, usually.

01:53:37.000 Yeah, usually.

01:53:38.000 Usually.

01:53:39.000 Like all the documents we have, it adds up to almost the perfect amount of the 1MDB account.

01:53:44.000 I don't know how that is.

01:53:45.000 Oh, cool.

01:53:46.000 Very neat.

01:53:46.000 Well, certain pieces of it, yes.

01:53:49.000 So yeah, we have a bunch of super chats, like a ridiculous amount, where people are like, they're retracting states.

01:53:53.000 I didn't see that.

01:53:54.000 Are they paying attention to what we're actually saying?

01:53:56.000 I don't know.

01:53:56.000 They're kind of noticing.

01:53:57.000 Yes, yes.

01:53:58.000 There's a ridiculous amount of super chats.

01:54:01.000 I'm just botting it.

01:54:02.000 It's trying to propagate some crap.

01:54:04.000 That's true.

01:54:04.000 That's all there is to it.

01:54:06.000 I mean, we get stuff like this usually where people will be like, yo, this thing just happened.

01:54:10.000 And then I'll look and I'll be like, that's not true.

01:54:11.000 So I actually looked up 538 retracting.

01:54:13.000 I looked up like recent tweets.

01:54:14.000 There's nothing recent.

01:54:16.000 It's just like four days ago.

01:54:18.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 So I don't, it's kind of weird.

01:54:19.000 I don't know.

01:54:19.000 Some people are complaining that I was a tomato.

01:54:21.000 Oh, yep.

01:54:22.000 Uh-huh.

01:54:22.000 Tim, orange man, good.

01:54:23.000 Yes.

01:54:24.000 Tomato.

01:54:24.000 I see that.

01:54:25.000 What does that mean?

01:54:26.000 It was the camera was red.

01:54:28.000 I fixed it.

01:54:29.000 I fixed it with the paper.

01:54:31.000 Let's see.

01:54:31.000 Lydia T says, do you think that a Biden administration will try to subsidize the dissemination of critical race theory in order to re-educate Americans?

01:54:39.000 Hello, Lydia.

01:54:40.000 I'll put it this way.

01:54:42.000 Re-educate Americans is a loaded statement, but I would say that one of Joe Biden's executive orders is to reinstate critical race theory.

01:54:49.000 You guys know about what they were doing, right?

01:54:50.000 Yeah.

01:54:50.000 Like Sandia Labs.

01:54:51.000 I don't know enough about it to comment other than it doesn't matter because the bots are going to control what your brain thinks anyway.

01:54:58.000 We're all screwed anyway?

01:54:59.000 Cool.

01:55:00.000 I like that.

01:55:00.000 I mean, that's, yes, but at the Sandia, I think, was it Sandia where they're putting the white people on retreats?

01:55:06.000 Yeah, so that's like a nuclear power- not nuclear power, it's like they're developing weapons and they're sending the white people to retreats to force them to recant their whiteness.

01:55:14.000 How dare they?

01:55:15.000 Oh well, it's happened to a lot of other people.

01:55:17.000 Time for our turn, I guess.

01:55:19.000 That didn't end well either.

01:55:21.000 I don't like it.

01:55:22.000 I'm joking, I'm joking.

01:55:24.000 It's not good for anybody.

01:55:25.000 And in fact, but again, what I would recalibrate to is potentially over 45 to 55,000 agents of foreign influence from one country in this country.

01:55:37.000 That's what we're hearing.

01:55:38.000 That's a lot.

01:55:38.000 Compromised.

01:55:39.000 You've noticed, you've said it, all of these people getting picked up, right?

01:55:43.000 There's a guy that was picked up, okay?

01:55:45.000 There's a guy that was picked up in Arkansas last year?

01:55:49.000 A bunch of people picked up in Arkansas, but particularly a guy that was picked up with a Walmart scam where he was riding across the country, this is what it said in the articles, right?

01:55:56.000 Using gift cards from Walmart from some scam, I don't know how the scam worked, and it was some podunk town, sorry, in Arkansas.

01:56:04.000 I love Arkansas, by the way.

01:56:06.000 And, um, near the lakes.

01:56:08.000 So he wasn't a student and he was, like, the Secret Service was involved in the arrest.

01:56:14.000 This is in the local papers.

01:56:15.000 This is from all the things.

01:56:16.000 It went under the radar.

01:56:18.000 There was no specific, like, damage to the town that was read in the charging report for the local courts.

01:56:26.000 They said they couldn't find any victims.

01:56:27.000 Victims.

01:56:28.000 And Walmart and Global Investigations is handling it, which is, that's weird.

01:56:33.000 Oh, that's a whole other story.

01:56:37.000 So corporate intelligence is a real thing.

01:56:40.000 For sure.

01:56:41.000 And part of this story will revolve around me unraveling certain agents of influence and corporate intelligence that have tried to enwrap me in some things over the years that I track them.

01:56:53.000 And I got them.

01:56:54.000 And I've waited, and I'm gonna unspool them like, you know, I'm gonna- Don't overpromise.

01:56:59.000 I think I have all the blowtorches and potifiers I need, you know?

01:57:03.000 I want to hear about- I want to see this list.

01:57:04.000 I want to see- I'm sure you do.

01:57:05.000 I want some verification.

01:57:06.000 A lot of people want to see it.

01:57:07.000 It's not even about what I want.

01:57:08.000 I have not verified it.

01:57:09.000 It is the list that we are very certain, but not 100%, but good and close.

01:57:15.000 Because we're transparent, that we believe Guo Wengui is using to manipulate various foreign affairs.

01:57:22.000 Interesting.

01:57:23.000 Yeah.

01:57:23.000 Well, well.

01:57:24.000 St.

01:57:24.000 Miles says, hey, Emily Mollie, cool to see you're on.

01:57:26.000 Very cool, yeah.

01:57:27.000 You too, bud, even though I can't see you.

01:57:30.000 Love you, random citizen.

01:57:33.000 You guys are gonna love this one.

01:57:34.000 My IQ is lower than my chromosome count says.

01:57:37.000 Oh no.

01:57:38.000 So what you're saying is that you found the source of all those last minute Biden votes?

01:57:42.000 Oh man.

01:57:43.000 Yep, I think that was it.

01:57:45.000 55 votes.

01:57:45.000 You specifically were like, let's not make it political.

01:57:48.000 Thanks guys.

01:57:48.000 Let's take it from the top.

01:57:49.000 Check this out.

01:57:51.000 The Insomnia Addict says, The Insomnia Addict says, Red Hat hackers have been used by the FBI for years.

01:57:57.000 Flip and use to take down criminals.

01:57:59.000 True.

01:57:59.000 Why wouldn't these be turned into nation actors?

01:58:02.000 It's true, but it's different when you have an internet.

01:58:04.000 The distinction I would make is that if you work for tailored operation, you know Sabu is, right?

01:58:09.000 Yeah, of course.

01:58:10.000 Yeah.

01:58:10.000 So I remember Sabu came into the vice office once and I was like, get that guy.

01:58:15.000 Get him out.

01:58:16.000 But people don't know who he is.

01:58:19.000 He basically ratted on his crew.

01:58:22.000 And he became an informant.

01:58:23.000 And he got Barrett Brown busted and all these people.

01:58:26.000 No, Barrett Brown wasn't through Sabo.

01:58:31.000 I don't want to get into that.

01:58:33.000 But my point is, Joe Fionda, Barrett Brown, all these people did reach out to me when I started working in Scanner and told me a lot of weird stuff.

01:58:42.000 I don't really get involved in that stuff.

01:58:44.000 Me?

01:58:45.000 No way, dude!

01:58:46.000 I'll give you their phone numbers.

01:58:46.000 kind of like were very disturbed by that.

01:58:49.000 But by like I did, I thought you would be like friendly with anonymous and all

01:58:52.000 these people, but it seemed like you didn't want me to talk to them.

01:58:55.000 No way, dude.

01:58:56.000 I'll give you their phone numbers.

01:58:58.000 I have them.

01:58:59.000 I think you're confused, man.

01:59:00.000 I'm then I'm wrong.

01:59:01.000 I'm wrong.

01:59:02.000 No, I think a lot of those people are compromised for sure.

01:59:05.000 Take a look at the videos of them hanging out with Weave and now see what they say.

01:59:08.000 I was never friends with that guy.

01:59:10.000 Do you know where Weave is?

01:59:11.000 Yeah, he's Ukraine pig farming, isn't he?

01:59:12.000 I don't know.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's in Ukraine.

01:59:15.000 So for those unfamiliar, Weave was one of the most notorious trolls and hackers in the U.S.

01:59:20.000 He was...

01:59:22.000 I think it's fair to say wrongly prosecuted over this AT&T hack thing, but he was notoriously a white nationalist.

01:59:28.000 Quite the troublemaker.

01:59:29.000 I don't know of the exact ideology, but I think that's it.

01:59:33.000 It might be worse, I have no idea.

01:59:35.000 But you had all of these hackers and anonymous who were good friends with him, partying with him, taking photos with him.

01:59:40.000 And then as soon as the culture war ignited and it expanded, these people all came out and said, I was accidentally being tricked by the Russians.

01:59:47.000 It's a little different than that.

01:59:48.000 I mean, Joe Fianna was, like, videotaping his trip from prison and was, like, bummed out that he wanted to listen to white national music in the car rack.

01:59:55.000 You know, it was like, what is going on?

01:59:57.000 So it was like, Barrett is one thing and... I was at Weeves' I'm Sorry You're Going to Prison Party with these people.

02:00:01.000 I heard that.

02:00:02.000 And they were such good friends with him.

02:00:03.000 Laughing and taking hugs.

02:00:04.000 Glenn Greenwald and all sorts of people.

02:00:06.000 Glenn wasn't there.

02:00:06.000 But he's taking pictures with them.

02:00:07.000 I don't know if we should have a party.

02:00:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:09.000 But, you know, you gotta be careful with some of these photos because, like, if a dude walks in... No, you're right.

02:00:13.000 You're right.

02:00:13.000 This is why I don't take photos with anybody.

02:00:15.000 Because I don't...

02:00:16.000 You take a lot of photos, though.

02:00:17.000 No, I don't.

02:00:18.000 Well, not anymore.

02:00:19.000 Not anymore, right?

02:00:20.000 Yeah, I don't take pictures of anybody.

02:00:21.000 Because people do this on purpose, where they'll come up to you and try and get a picture with you so they can try and, you know... Yeah, there's some... That's why I pick my nose in every picture.

02:00:27.000 Widely circulated ones, which is why I get why you don't do it anymore.

02:00:30.000 Yeah, I completely understand that one.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, so after... I think it was in... Let me try and think.

02:00:34.000 Was it Berkeley or Portland?

02:00:36.000 I got messaged by the alt-right guys that had organized the rally.

02:00:42.000 And they asked me, like, hey, we're all meeting.

02:00:45.000 Would you want to come?

02:00:45.000 And I said, I'll come.

02:00:47.000 I'll talk to you guys.

02:00:48.000 Ordered my own food.

02:00:50.000 Drank nothing.

02:00:51.000 Had a glass of water.

02:00:52.000 They took a picture.

02:00:52.000 And now the left uses that to try and claim I was hanging out with them.

02:00:55.000 Him sitting there looking like he hates his life.

02:00:57.000 Just like the photos I have of, you know, with a Soviet general in Ukraine or with a Brazilian gang member.

02:01:01.000 It's like, I took pictures with some people or I, I'm even, I was just sitting there and they took a picture and then they use that.

02:01:06.000 So now I'm just like, I'm not playing that game, dude.

02:01:09.000 These people want to, want to, you know, create narratives and craft narratives.

02:01:11.000 So I don't, I don't even, I'm not even interested in going on anyone's shows or anything like that either.

02:01:16.000 I'm just totally over it.

02:01:17.000 I'm going to mind my own business.

02:01:19.000 Anyway, you've got it.

02:01:20.000 Makes sense.

02:01:23.000 Let's see.

02:01:23.000 A lot of people are very interested in the political ramifications of it, but considering, I don't think we have any, you know.

02:01:29.000 Well, they can watch the second part of our video.

02:01:31.000 We're going to be doing, you know.

02:01:32.000 Yeah, it's going to be great.

02:01:32.000 People should get over the political aspect.

02:01:34.000 Yeah.

02:01:34.000 Stop thinking like that.

02:01:36.000 Seriously, for real.

02:01:38.000 Think about your country and other countries and what that means.

02:01:40.000 So instead of like your state and this other state, it's like there's other countries out there.

02:01:44.000 America.

02:01:44.000 Think of it as an American rather than somebody on the right or It could be something that unifies us, at least.

02:01:49.000 It should be.

02:01:50.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:01:51.000 I think the ideological issue is not... That's a distraction, though.

02:01:55.000 I agree.

02:01:56.000 It's such a huge distraction, and it's done purposefully.

02:01:59.000 I disagree.

02:02:01.000 It's not going to go away, but can we agree that foreign influence on elections is bad?

02:02:05.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:02:06.000 Of course.

02:02:06.000 Then at least we can agree there, and we can start looking at things there.

02:02:10.000 The problem is when you see like California just failed Prop 16.

02:02:15.000 California has voted against it.

02:02:17.000 This is very, very good news.

02:02:18.000 I'm very happy to hear this.

02:02:19.000 But they were trying to repeal their civil rights law.

02:02:21.000 Yes, and a lot of people have changed hands, at least the local Los Angeles administrations.

02:02:28.000 That's scary.

02:02:29.000 That's scary.

02:02:29.000 I don't know.

02:02:31.000 The stuff they were doing that we learned from Christopher Rufo out of like, say, Sandia Labs.

02:02:35.000 Yeah.

02:02:36.000 Like taking all the white people to a retreat where they have to go through these trainings where they repeat over and over again.

02:02:40.000 These are struggle sessions.

02:02:42.000 Like, this is creepy.

02:02:43.000 I don't know, man.

02:02:44.000 I've been called a Mexican all my life and I'm not in any way, shape, or form.

02:02:47.000 Not even close.

02:02:47.000 People call me Roscoe, Rick.

02:02:49.000 I've never taken offense.

02:02:51.000 Joe Biden's progressive coalition pact or whatever has in it a social equity credit scoring system.

02:02:56.000 Well, just like the Chinese.

02:02:57.000 Yeah, so what am I talking about?

02:02:57.000 Right.

02:02:57.000 Yeah, I know.

02:02:58.000 This data set is that.

02:03:00.000 And you have at least, I believe, that you know people that might participate in this data brokerage.

02:03:06.000 Well, I mean, I know a lot of people, but... Yeah, he does.

02:03:09.000 But what I'm saying is...

02:03:11.000 When I hear that Joe Biden has a plan, and I looked at this, I didn't believe it when I heard it, that they want to create a public agency that uses social equity scoring systems to determine whether you can get a loan or not.

02:03:23.000 Yeah, non-essential and essential.

02:03:24.000 Those are terms that are going to be here to stay.

02:03:26.000 That is horrifying.

02:03:27.000 No, it's not, because most people should be on the dole because a robot's going to do their job better than they are.

02:03:32.000 That's the fact of life.

02:03:33.000 When they say you can't get a car loan because you're white, that's freaky.

02:03:36.000 That's different.

02:03:37.000 That's what I'm talking about.

02:03:38.000 No, they're not going to be scoring you.

02:03:40.000 You know more about this.

02:03:41.000 It literally says this in the pact.

02:03:43.000 It's based off the Chinese.

02:03:44.000 The American one says racial equity.

02:03:47.000 Okay.

02:03:48.000 Your score and eligibility.

02:03:49.000 I don't think that's going to go over well with everybody.

02:03:50.000 I don't think it's going to be legal because it's a violation.

02:03:53.000 But here's the problem.

02:03:53.000 Hope not.

02:03:54.000 When Donald Trump banned the critical race theory trainings in the federal government, All of them that he banned, specifically, violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.

02:04:02.000 Joe Biden says he's going to rescind that, which means now it's going to be up to the individuals who are being put through these trainings to file federal lawsuits under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.

02:04:12.000 He also said he was going to, you know, support fracking in Pennsylvania.

02:04:15.000 We'll see what happens.

02:04:16.000 Joe Biden?

02:04:17.000 He said both.

02:04:18.000 He's going to get rid of it and support it.

02:04:19.000 He said both yes and no.

02:04:20.000 Good stuff.

02:04:21.000 Interesting.

02:04:21.000 Yeah, the reasoning was sound.

02:04:23.000 And we'll see if he wins or loses what he says.

02:04:25.000 Yeah.

02:04:25.000 Chris, Chris Dumas says, yo, Tim, do you think it would, it should be

02:04:29.000 considered a bad faith election if they actually amendment 25 Biden?

02:04:32.000 Well, my personal opinion is, uh, well, you heard what Pelosi said about it, right?

02:04:40.000 It's not for Trump, it's for a future president, that they're creating a panel to remove the president.

02:04:46.000 Can you do that to Nancy Pelosi?

02:04:47.000 Because I think she probably needs it done too, to be honest.

02:04:51.000 I mean, because they've lost, I think there should be age limits.

02:04:55.000 I honestly think Trump, Pelosi, and Biden are too old.

02:04:58.000 Done, 70.

02:04:58.000 100%, yeah.

02:05:01.000 Yeah, you have to play pick-up sticks with your buttcheeks.

02:05:03.000 But didn't you see Trump passed his test?

02:05:06.000 Yeah.

02:05:06.000 Remember?

02:05:07.000 Yeah, but it was like, he was like, shark, panda, bear, cheese, whiz.

02:05:12.000 And that was it, you passed.

02:05:13.000 It was pretty much it.

02:05:14.000 Do you actually think he's in good, like, physical shape too?

02:05:18.000 Trump?

02:05:18.000 I'll tell you this, man.

02:05:20.000 He's spry.

02:05:21.000 He really is.

02:05:22.000 Look at that energy.

02:05:23.000 I can't walk uphill, bro.

02:05:24.000 Trump?

02:05:25.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 But it's not even about that.

02:05:26.000 It's like, I agree with you on the age limit.

02:05:30.000 Regardless of Trump or Biden.

02:05:32.000 Like, Pelosi's 80.

02:05:33.000 Jesus.

02:05:34.000 At a certain point, you know what's crazy?

02:05:36.000 We assume, and I'm not trying to be mean.

02:05:37.000 They also don't understand the internet.

02:05:39.000 So all these things we're talking about, they don't have any clue.

02:05:42.000 So who's in control?

02:05:43.000 Who's in charge here?

02:05:45.000 I'll tell you this right now.

02:05:46.000 I said it in 2018.

02:05:47.000 Republicans are too stupid to deal with the issue of internet censorship to actually win, to actually save their own party.

02:05:55.000 Yes, but you've got people like Charlie Ergen, who's friends with Brittany and all these people, and Chase Ergen, that they are wanting to move in on net neutrality.

02:06:01.000 They have, and then now it's an issue now.

02:06:04.000 And that's actually when we get to the core of this, and people don't understand what net neutrality is, I encourage you to Google it because I'm not going to explain it all here.

02:06:09.000 Nobody could explain it.

02:06:10.000 It's basically creating multiple internets and prioritizing.

02:06:13.000 If you're watching Netflix because they pay more as a premium for this conduit of information, the internet is a series of tubes.

02:06:22.000 Which is kind of true now.

02:06:25.000 Let's see.

02:06:26.000 I think I already read that one about avocado toast socialists.

02:06:27.000 That was funny.

02:06:28.000 Indeed.

02:06:29.000 Uh, Garrick Sturgill says, holy S, these guys are legit.

02:06:32.000 Yep.

02:06:33.000 I know, right?

02:06:34.000 Well, thank you.

02:06:35.000 Hopefully.

02:06:35.000 Some people are saying these people are hacks.

02:06:37.000 Quit.

02:06:37.000 There's, there's a good amount of like- Give us a call.

02:06:39.000 Would you like to, we'd like to have you on the program, our program.

02:06:41.000 I mean, you'd like to tell us why you're hacks.

02:06:42.000 Like, we'll take you up on that offer and then maybe we'll come after you.

02:06:45.000 Oh, that'd be great.

02:06:46.000 Sounds exciting.

02:06:47.000 We're an equal opportunist thing.

02:06:49.000 There's a good mix of people saying, you guys suck and you guys rock.

02:06:53.000 Why do we suck?

02:06:53.000 That's the way it's supposed to be.

02:06:55.000 That's actually true journalism, pisses everyone off.

02:06:58.000 Exactly.

02:06:58.000 People don't like to be held accountable.

02:07:00.000 That is very true.

02:07:01.000 That's exactly what's going to happen.

02:07:04.000 Someone says, why is he so rude and smug to Tim?

02:07:06.000 Rocco!

02:07:07.000 Rocco, how dare you be smug?

02:07:09.000 Because it works!

02:07:13.000 Why did you hire Rocco?

02:07:15.000 What do you mean?

02:07:16.000 Why did you bring him in?

02:07:17.000 Because he's smug and ridiculous.

02:07:22.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:07:23.000 Well, I hit up Rocco because Rocco... He's good at his job, man.

02:07:27.000 Yeah, he's good at his job.

02:07:27.000 I don't know.

02:07:28.000 Because when he was at Vice, he had a bunch of stories and was constantly complaining about the establishment powers that were trying to stop people from telling the news.

02:07:36.000 Is there another?

02:07:37.000 No, I just genuinely wanted to know.

02:07:40.000 A lot of people don't like, a lot of your fans don't like necessarily what we're doing.

02:07:45.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:07:45.000 And so I think it is important for you to tell why you brought him in.

02:07:48.000 Oh, I mean, that's one of it.

02:07:49.000 The other thing is, I think that, here's the way I put it.

02:07:54.000 I'm one guy.

02:07:54.000 I have opinions.

02:07:56.000 This is true.

02:07:56.000 I read the news all day.

02:07:58.000 And I make videos based on my opinions and what I think are like, wow, that's the most shocking thing to me today.

02:08:03.000 And here's what I think about it.

02:08:05.000 But I also recognize that the internet has become... news is dead.

02:08:09.000 The New York Times is being taken over by activists.

02:08:11.000 And so I'm like, alright, well, Rocco, Emily, can you guys go do news?

02:08:14.000 Because I don't think I'm doing... like, I'm not doing on-the-ground reporting, digging into documents and anything like that.

02:08:19.000 You guys can go do it.

02:08:21.000 I'm some dude who complains on the internet about his feelings.

02:08:23.000 You know what I mean?

02:08:26.000 I had a period where I was doing on the ground documentary and field reporting.

02:08:29.000 It started to get too dangerous because they started to call me out for reporting on what they were doing.

02:08:33.000 I don't know if you guys know, is this stuff about Elijah Public?

02:08:38.000 I think so, yeah.

02:08:39.000 He tweeted about it.

02:08:40.000 He tweeted about, uh, like, death threats against him, right?

02:08:42.000 Yeah, so, uh, Elijah Schaefer, who goes on the ground and he reports on... Is the guy who dresses up like subcommandante Marcos?

02:08:48.000 No, I don't think so.

02:08:49.000 He wears black.

02:08:50.000 No.

02:08:51.000 He blends in with Antifa.

02:08:52.000 I don't know.

02:08:52.000 He got, uh, he got contacted by the FBI because there was a credible death threat against him.

02:08:57.000 Yes.

02:08:58.000 Well, you know, I will say, like, that's not cool for somebody to get death threats, but he hasn't been completely, like, genuine in all of his posts and reporting.

02:09:06.000 Like, you think that he's posting fake news?

02:09:08.000 I would say framing is important.

02:09:10.000 He is biased, we know that.

02:09:11.000 Yeah, is he biased?

02:09:13.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:09:14.000 I think everybody's biased.

02:09:16.000 Who does he work for?

02:09:18.000 Nobody, but he hosts a podcast that appears on Blaze.

02:09:22.000 Yeah.

02:09:23.000 Do you think it receives funds from foreign actors?

02:09:26.000 No, but I think a lot of people who don't realize it.

02:09:30.000 So one thing I think people need to realize too, you know how easy it is for a foreign actor to fund and prop up a YouTuber?

02:09:36.000 The easiest possible thing in the world.

02:09:38.000 It's super easy.

02:09:40.000 That's why Glow has his own series of channels.

02:09:43.000 You can direct ad revenue to one specific channel.

02:09:48.000 And you can buy any ad you want, which means you can have somebody in China take a Coca-Cola commercial video and then pay to run it on Scanner or Timcast.

02:09:58.000 And you'd never know.

02:09:59.000 And I would never know, and you would never know, and you'd be like, wow, ad rates are coming in great.

02:10:03.000 And what they do is, this is something news organizations do.

02:10:06.000 People think that news organizations are compromised in that they hire on these criminals and they say, I want you to write about how this politician is good or bad, and they go, ha ha, I'll do it.

02:10:16.000 What really happens is they find people who are blogging or tweeting about how they don't like certain things and say, hire that person because they're going to write good stuff that we're going to use and we're going to make money off of.

02:10:25.000 So what happens with social media, particularly YouTube where it's really easy, you can have a foreign agent or even the government or some corporation or whatever say, this guy talks about things that we really like.

02:10:35.000 Dump ad money into his channel through Google AdSense and they'll never know we were the ones funding them and you can't prove it.

02:10:42.000 So do you think that's something like YouTube should be looking into?

02:10:46.000 Or somebody should audit YouTube for that kind of information?

02:10:48.000 Definitely.

02:10:49.000 You think YouTube's in on it?

02:10:50.000 I don't think YouTube's in on it.

02:10:52.000 I think YouTube doesn't care.

02:10:54.000 And as long as journalists don't call them out for it, they're not going to say anything.

02:10:57.000 That's going to cause another adpocalypse.

02:10:58.000 Are you ready for that?

02:11:00.000 That's the big problem.

02:11:01.000 But I think, I've said it a million times, if they announced that they were going to ban Twitter, I would lose my account.

02:11:06.000 I'd be like, dude, Twitter's terrible.

02:11:07.000 Get rid of it.

02:11:08.000 Just get rid of it.

02:11:09.000 I'm half kidding.

02:11:10.000 No, it's bad for us.

02:11:12.000 But if I found out that someone was secretly funneling money through AdSense to my channel, I'd be like, cut it all off.

02:11:18.000 I don't care.

02:11:18.000 I'll go sleep in a ditch.

02:11:19.000 I might have some news for you.

02:11:21.000 Oh, yeah?

02:11:22.000 Yeah.

02:11:22.000 I mean, we've looked at, like, we kind of addressed this with you the last board meeting we had about certain sites like syphilisdating.com.

02:11:32.000 Well, it does because it lists your brother and you as the owner.

02:11:38.000 And there's a series of 55 URLs like antifahub.org.

02:11:41.000 A lot of them are packed with malware.

02:11:43.000 A lot of them are packed with, they have security reports.

02:11:46.000 But what does that have to do with me or YouTube?

02:11:48.000 I don't know.

02:11:48.000 I'm saying, I don't know, but you should look into it.

02:11:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:11:52.000 Look, man, people can slap my name on whatever they want.

02:11:54.000 But there's also TimCast.net, TimCast.co, and I've taken a look at those servers, and they put back to .cn sites, and that becomes a little troubling.

02:12:02.000 That's crazy.

02:12:02.000 There's actually a government section of the Alibaba servers.

02:12:05.000 That's Wix, brother.

02:12:06.000 That is Wix.

02:12:07.000 That's just me using Wix.

02:12:09.000 Yeah, they have some interesting JavaScript codes, but you should be careful with your data.

02:12:15.000 My website's just wix.com.

02:12:17.000 And then .co is a URL redirect.

02:12:20.000 You've got some unique malware on there you should look at.

02:12:23.000 We'll shut it down.

02:12:24.000 Interesting.

02:12:25.000 Anyway, let's read a couple more Super Chats.

02:12:27.000 What a derail.

02:12:29.000 Sorry, guys.

02:12:29.000 So yeah, don't go to those sites, by the way.

02:12:32.000 Don't go to them.

02:12:33.000 Don't do it.

02:12:34.000 Not unless you want, like, a super virus.

02:12:36.000 Not syphilis dating.

02:12:36.000 No, don't go to this.

02:12:37.000 I can't imagine going to that.

02:12:38.000 Unless you want some malware or something.

02:12:40.000 Andrew S. says, confused about all the China, Malaysia, UAE, and 1MDB talk?

02:12:44.000 You should read the book, Billion Dollar Whale, about Joe Lowe and dig into the Goldman Sachs.

02:12:51.000 Yeah, Goldman Sachs has a piece of this, too.

02:12:53.000 Fascinating.

02:12:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:12:55.000 Goldman Sachs was recently in the news because... They paid out settlement.

02:12:58.000 Of course.

02:12:59.000 Yeah.

02:13:00.000 So I don't know who this is directed at, but I'll read it anyway.

02:13:02.000 Andrew Starr says, you sat here and S on Cassandra, Glenn Greenwald, and anyone who disagrees with your worldview for the last hour, but now you want to talk unity.

02:13:10.000 Is that, is that for Rocco?

02:13:11.000 What?

02:13:11.000 Yeah, it's for me.

02:13:13.000 No, I called them disingenuous actors that work with foreign agents and you're un-American.

02:13:16.000 Glenn?

02:13:17.000 Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

02:13:18.000 Glenn and Cassandra?

02:13:19.000 Not all of them.

02:13:19.000 Not all of them, but the people that he's referring to.

02:13:21.000 Well, yeah, I would say Glenn is a disingenuous actor that works with foreign agents.

02:13:24.000 He strikes you as being disingenuous.

02:13:25.000 Really?

02:13:25.000 Yeah, I don't think he always was, but I do now.

02:13:27.000 I'd invite him to prove me wrong, and maybe I could prove something.

02:13:29.000 I actually feel the other way around.

02:13:30.000 I used to not like him.

02:13:31.000 Now I think he's done better.

02:13:32.000 I don't really have an opinion of him.

02:13:33.000 He was handed documents by somebody and reported them out, which pretty much anyone could do.

02:13:38.000 Oh, for sure.

02:13:39.000 Absolutely.

02:13:39.000 From a professional standpoint.

02:13:40.000 And I was not a fan of him back in the day for a lot of reasons.

02:13:44.000 Instead of publishing the documents, he slow-trickled them out, and then they disappeared.

02:13:47.000 I also just don't have, like, you know, I don't have much of an opinion.

02:13:49.000 I don't really read people I don't like.

02:13:51.000 It doesn't enter my worldview.

02:13:52.000 You know, like this guy, I just block him.

02:13:53.000 I'm like, who cares?

02:13:55.000 Like, or I'd say, give me your real name.

02:13:57.000 Let's have a discussion about it.

02:13:58.000 Let's have a debate point by point.

02:13:59.000 Sit down and talk about it.

02:14:00.000 And if I'm wrong, I have to shave or stripe down my head.

02:14:03.000 If you're wrong, you know, you have to lick my boot.

02:14:08.000 The Insomniatic says, are you going to cover the hacktivist change that happened to Anon back in like 07?

02:14:12.000 Scientology push.

02:14:14.000 I feel the low orbit ion cannon and whatnot was the weaponization of the culture war.

02:14:18.000 It was.

02:14:19.000 And a lot would happen after Tunisia with Twitter and all this stuff actually plays into that.

02:14:22.000 It's very important.

02:14:24.000 It's actually really simple.

02:14:25.000 Different groups of people had different interests, and it's like, you ever play the game Life Genesis?

02:14:30.000 Where you have like little blue dots and little red dots?

02:14:33.000 And if you mix them together, then the red dots get eaten up by the blue dots?

02:14:36.000 The Scientology thing wasn't supposed to be this legitimate anti-Scientology action, but It was a troll against Scientology, but it attracted people who actually were activists.

02:14:47.000 Then you get actual activists who are involved now, but the regular trolls were like, we don't actually care about this.

02:14:53.000 No.

02:14:53.000 And thus created this activist movement, and then WikiLeaks and, you know.

02:14:58.000 It's still like Star Wars, though.

02:15:00.000 I was actually hired to adapt We Are Anonymous into a screenplay, which is a book by Parmi Olson.

02:15:06.000 I don't know if it'll come out, but it was fascinating to do that, part of how I met some of these people.

02:15:11.000 I do think a lot of them got the raw shake on where they're internet activists and I think that's a real thing that people should probably respect a little bit more than they do because the internet is supposed to be the great equalizer of free speech and net neutrality will, you know, the undercutting of that will really hurt the internet.

02:15:28.000 I think the big problem is that Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, the big tech companies have already undercut it.

02:15:35.000 Of course they have.

02:15:35.000 And now we just have to blow up their spot, you know.

02:15:37.000 Figuratively!

02:15:38.000 Figuratively!

02:15:39.000 All of it happens on the internet, man.

02:15:42.000 We don't blow anything up around here.

02:15:44.000 Unless it's a malware server.

02:15:47.000 I know, exactly.

02:15:48.000 They banned Alex Jones for making, they banned Bannon for, you know, I'm not going to repeat it.

02:15:53.000 Oh yeah, I know what they banned him for.

02:15:55.000 I mean, I'd like to be able to say that about certain people, but sure.

02:16:00.000 Keep it inside.

02:16:03.000 You've got to be careful about what you say.

02:16:05.000 I tell him all the time, my ultimate dream is to bait someone into doing something violent against me, but I'll have a home alone setup, and I'll have a live stream, like a Rube Goldberg machine where it slaps you with fish, and I'll stream it, and then I'll torture them until they tell me who they work for.

02:16:21.000 Yeah.

02:16:21.000 What a fantasy.

02:16:22.000 Then they just disappear.

02:16:23.000 Then we'll put it up on Scanner.

02:16:24.000 Oh my gosh.

02:16:25.000 What is wrong with you?

02:16:26.000 Just kidding.

02:16:27.000 Don Reif says, these guys are like a left-wing Alex Jones who won't even tell you the story they have.

02:16:32.000 Oh, you can watch it though.

02:16:33.000 Don't worry.

02:16:34.000 It's part two's up now.

02:16:35.000 Click on it.

02:16:36.000 Scanner.

02:16:37.000 Love it.

02:16:38.000 All right.

02:16:38.000 Let's see.

02:16:39.000 Super cool.

02:16:41.000 Godzilla says, Red Hat is a type of hacker.

02:16:42.000 Nothing involving China.

02:16:44.000 It is true.

02:16:44.000 It's a nation state hacker.

02:16:45.000 That's what I said.

02:16:47.000 Or it's like a privateer hacker, like a Corsair.

02:16:49.000 It has morphed into that.

02:16:51.000 I'm talking about in the traditional sense.

02:16:52.000 Read about a guy called the Eagle from China and the Eagle Honker Union to get a real sense of where Red Hat came from.

02:16:59.000 Let's see.

02:17:00.000 Netlix says, Tim will regret letting these pompous, arrogant people spew nonsense for so long.

02:17:05.000 They are only here for your audience.

02:17:07.000 Tim, P.S.

02:17:07.000 Adderall is a hell of a drug.

02:17:09.000 I got to tell you, like, I'm going to have we're going to have people on that people don't like.

02:17:12.000 Sorry, guys.

02:17:12.000 What's his name?

02:17:13.000 Nutscrape?

02:17:14.000 What's his name?

02:17:16.000 How about put your real name on there and come see me, and I'll tell you a couple things.

02:17:20.000 No, no, you're going to get banned.

02:17:22.000 For what?

02:17:22.000 I'm going to talk to him like an individual.

02:17:24.000 I want to have a conversation.

02:17:26.000 I want to embarrass him publicly.

02:17:29.000 Okay, that sounds fair.

02:17:30.000 That is fair.

02:17:30.000 You can embarrass me publicly if you're right.

02:17:33.000 Cody Blackwell says, Hey Tim, have you heard of the channel Legal Eagle?

02:17:36.000 He does similar videos but specializes in the legal stuff.

02:17:39.000 At a glance, he seems like a decent person, but definitely anti-Trump, so it feels biased.

02:17:44.000 I don't mind.

02:17:45.000 I'm anti-power.

02:17:46.000 How about that?

02:17:47.000 Is that cool to say?

02:17:48.000 I'm anti-establishment.

02:17:49.000 No, I'm anti-power.

02:17:51.000 I personally would say I'm anti-abusive power because I think there needs to be... Power has to exist.

02:17:57.000 Well, sure.

02:17:58.000 I want to speak truth to power.

02:17:59.000 Sure.

02:18:00.000 There you go.

02:18:00.000 Exactly.

02:18:01.000 That's fair.

02:18:03.000 People need to realize about Rocco.

02:18:06.000 Actually, I'll say this.

02:18:07.000 Emily is very professional and good at what she does.

02:18:10.000 And so I was like, so at first I was like, I'm not doing a dig on Rocco.

02:18:14.000 So I was like, okay, so Emily's going to do her thing and I'm confident she can take care of it.

02:18:18.000 But Rocco is the kind of guy who I feel like if someone tries giving you the business, it doesn't matter what their politics are.

02:18:24.000 It doesn't matter how much money they have.

02:18:27.000 You're going to give them the finger and like flick a cigarette butt in their face.

02:18:29.000 No, I'm going to publicly embarrass them.

02:18:32.000 I'm saying figuratively.

02:18:36.000 I'm tired of mincing around words and being nice.

02:18:38.000 So if you step up, like I don't open my mouth unless I know something.

02:18:41.000 If you're going to open your mouth, and if I'm wrong, I will be the first to admit and I will apologize because I'm an adult.

02:18:45.000 He does that.

02:18:46.000 Yeah, he does do that.

02:18:47.000 Interesting.

02:18:48.000 But I don't publicly say things I need to apologize for unless I make an error, which happens, hasn't happened yet.

02:18:53.000 You know, I think the most important thing, though, is, like, the stuff you guys are reporting on does overlap with politics, but there's other stuff.

02:18:59.000 You mentioned the water stuff.

02:19:01.000 Like, too much news is just talking about politics, culture, war.

02:19:04.000 Yeah, it's kind of boring.

02:19:05.000 And so, right, that's why I think it's important.

02:19:08.000 Uncover these compromised people.

02:19:10.000 It overlaps with politics for sure, but do the water story as well and other stories.

02:19:14.000 And I think, so this is what I wanted to do for a long time.

02:19:17.000 I wanted to, like, hire five journalists and be like, journalism.

02:19:20.000 Journalism away.

02:19:21.000 Go do it!

02:19:21.000 Just write whatever, like, and obviously there would need to be some kind of, like, editorial oversight or something, you know, and, but I would also, I also wanted to hire some fact checkers.

02:19:29.000 Problem is COVID just stopped everything.

02:19:31.000 It did.

02:19:31.000 Dead in its tracks.

02:19:32.000 I couldn't, I couldn't get the building.

02:19:34.000 Can't move people.

02:19:35.000 Can't go out and do stuff.

02:19:36.000 So it's like.

02:19:36.000 Well, we rented an RV and actually shot an entire series that we'll be pitching to Netflix, Hulu, et cetera.

02:19:42.000 We waited till after the election.

02:19:43.000 Cause it is about the pandemic, but it's not from a perspective.

02:19:45.000 It's not hosted.

02:19:46.000 It's all verite.

02:19:47.000 It's about.

02:19:49.000 First of all, the economic crisis that is inevitable that we have to figure out, right?

02:19:53.000 That's real no matter what else happened.

02:19:55.000 Definitely from a doctor's perspective, the pandemic's been real and we can get into all

02:20:00.000 that.

02:20:00.000 Yeah.

02:20:01.000 The third is civil unrest and how it played into this election.

02:20:04.000 And the fourth would, I'm forgetting something now.

02:20:06.000 It's all going to get worse and you're going to have to keep going.

02:20:08.000 No, no.

02:20:08.000 It's more about.

02:20:10.000 Well, I think it was three interlocking crises, right?

02:20:12.000 I don't remember.

02:20:13.000 But there's like another element to it that I'm blanking on.

02:20:17.000 Yeah, sorry.

02:20:18.000 Oh, oh, oh, environmental.

02:20:20.000 Environmental, and the reason we say that is- Oh yeah, healing the world.

02:20:22.000 Not even that, it's more like that we went to New Orleans in April to do an episode about Louisiana where you literally have chemical factories on old slave plantation land.

02:20:34.000 And you have the offbring of slaves, all the white people have moved out, and you have the worst chemicals being pumped in North America right next to them.

02:20:41.000 They have the highest, it's why it's called Cancer Alley, and it has been called that for 30 years.

02:20:45.000 And now COVID comes along, and they have the highest per capita instance of COVID in the world, which I've never seen such a direct display of what people might call environmental injustice.

02:20:53.000 But that backs into personal liberties too, because the activists, the white activists who are trying to support these people, are being surveilled by the Department of Homeland Security.

02:21:01.000 Interesting.

02:21:02.000 And they got just brought up on charges of Yeah, and they all went out and protested too.

02:21:06.000 And this is before George Floyd happened.

02:21:08.000 We actually got this in the time capsule that's very interesting.

02:21:11.000 You know what's going to be interesting is a lot of people from Occupy Wall Street are like hardcore Trump supporters now.

02:21:16.000 MAGA hat, full on Trump.

02:21:18.000 I wonder what these people are going to do now with a Biden presidency.

02:21:21.000 I don't know that their whole identity has been built around this and that's a problem.

02:21:24.000 Like, people should be nuanced.

02:21:26.000 They should have nuances.

02:21:26.000 No, I'm not talking about, like, there are diehard Trumpers that are gonna be diehard Trumpers.

02:21:31.000 Sure.

02:21:32.000 But there are Occupy Wall Street people who supported Trump because Trump was anti-trans-pacific partnership and NAFTA.

02:21:38.000 And these are older people too, like, these are people who protested WTO and stuff.

02:21:42.000 So I wonder if there's gonna be, like, a move back and they're gonna be more along with, like, the leftist marching now and stuff.

02:21:47.000 I don't know.

02:21:48.000 I mean, look what happened with Assange in terms of how people, you know, polarize around something.

02:21:52.000 It's really interesting.

02:21:53.000 So weird.

02:21:54.000 Hero of the left.

02:21:55.000 And now he's Russian, right-wing, whatever.

02:21:59.000 Anyway, so thanks for hanging out, guys.

02:22:01.000 Thank you.

02:22:03.000 YouTube.com.

02:22:03.000 What's the URL now?

02:22:05.000 SCNR?

02:22:05.000 It's SCNR.com.

02:22:07.000 SCNR.com.

02:22:08.000 Yeah, just go to SCNR.com.

02:22:10.000 Four-letter URL.

02:22:11.000 Love it.

02:22:12.000 Hard to come by.

02:22:12.000 Yeah, hard to come by.

02:22:14.000 So do you want to shout that out?

02:22:15.000 Do you want to mention it on social media or anything?

02:22:18.000 Scannerbot on Twitter.

02:22:19.000 S-C-N-R-B-O-T.

02:22:21.000 Scannerbot.

02:22:21.000 It's not a bot.

02:22:22.000 It's not actually a bot.

02:22:25.000 We might start experimenting with some projects that are more AI driven and to show you... We like to break stuff.

02:22:32.000 We want to feed stuff into botnets and show you how we could put a thought in your head and then reveal that it was fake.

02:22:37.000 I like the people that are saying Rocco didn't kill himself.

02:22:40.000 He did not.

02:22:44.000 Look at him.

02:22:44.000 I think one thing I try to do and have had conversations about is trying to break echo

02:22:52.000 chambers, knowing that there's a culture war internet landscape of which I am very much

02:22:59.000 active in, but I want to make sure I can create like an exit door.

02:23:02.000 So I think if people follow you guys, they're not going to get They're not going to get echo chamber.

02:23:07.000 They're not going to get confirmation.

02:23:08.000 You may not like what you hear or what we report on, but that's probably because it pulls the rug out from under you.

02:23:13.000 And really at the end of the day, that's in your service.

02:23:16.000 We're looking to in the service of the public's interest.

02:23:18.000 And that's the definition of journalism.

02:23:20.000 And if you sway from that, you get into other things.

02:23:22.000 We're not interested in those things.

02:23:23.000 And look, I think you guys will get some things wrong.

02:23:26.000 I think you'll get some things right.

02:23:27.000 I think everyone does and everyone will.

02:23:29.000 Sure.

02:23:29.000 And that's why it's important.

02:23:31.000 We will be transparent about that though.

02:23:33.000 Right.

02:23:33.000 Having a path to be like... I'll put it this way.

02:23:36.000 If anybody watching takes issue with anything you guys say or do, I think they can just email and be like, check out the facts.

02:23:41.000 Here's the data.

02:23:42.000 We'll have you on.

02:23:43.000 If you really want to be nasty, we'll have you on and we'll be nasty too.

02:23:46.000 Or we'll be nice.

02:23:46.000 Yeah.

02:23:46.000 Great.

02:23:47.000 Yeah.

02:23:47.000 You try to be nice.

02:23:49.000 But if you do take the destructive path, you know, there's more of that.

02:23:54.000 It's more like the golden rule.

02:23:55.000 Treat others like you want to be treated.

02:23:56.000 It's just never been applied to journalism, you know?

02:23:58.000 Sure.

02:23:58.000 What a tremendous, interesting experiment that would be.

02:24:02.000 Yeah.

02:24:04.000 I'm joking.

02:24:04.000 I also like to have fun, by the way.

02:24:05.000 A lot of this is like, I'm a trolling, trolling, trolling.

02:24:08.000 Boxy.

02:24:08.000 I'm not, not really.

02:24:09.000 I'm more just like trying to let people look, make people look in the mirror about themselves.

02:24:13.000 I think we've seen some people say you guys are legit, some people say that you're biased.

02:24:17.000 Doesn't bother us.

02:24:18.000 No, but I think that's a good thing.

02:24:20.000 Like I say, follow people that you don't agree with.

02:24:24.000 You can't only just watch my stuff, you gotta watch other people's too.

02:24:29.000 Disagreeing is one thing, but you can't disagree with facts.

02:24:31.000 Facts don't care about your feelings.

02:24:34.000 And a fact finder, just so people that believe in alternative facts, when you go to court, the judge is the fact finder.

02:24:40.000 And if they find the facts that put your ass in jail, That's real.

02:24:44.000 Yep, that's real.

02:24:44.000 I heard that one.

02:24:45.000 Do you want to mention your social media or anything?

02:24:48.000 I mean, not really.

02:24:53.000 I don't really use Twitter much or anything like that.

02:24:55.000 No, but watch our new video.

02:24:57.000 SCNR.com.

02:24:58.000 Yeah, and check out I'm Rocco, Undershortcast Star.

02:25:00.000 There's a bunch of evidence that we've been talking about.

02:25:02.000 I use Twitter as an evidence shed to like, if I do get, if I don't kill myself, you know.

02:25:08.000 You're not going to?

02:25:09.000 That's a joke?

02:25:10.000 If something happens to Rocco, it'll already be too late to stop the story.

02:25:13.000 Well, John McAfee's my kill switch.

02:25:16.000 Perfect kill switch.

02:25:17.000 I love it.

02:25:18.000 And of course, you can follow Lydia at Sour Patch Lids.

02:25:21.000 That's correct.

02:25:21.000 I'm at Sour Patch Lids.

02:25:22.000 L-Y-D-S.

02:25:23.000 And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.

02:25:26.000 And you can check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News.

02:25:29.000 I also talk really fast.

02:25:30.000 Faster, faster.

02:25:31.000 Hit the like button before you go.

02:25:33.000 And we are going to... I gotta tell you, friends, I can't tell you what's gonna... I am so excited.

02:25:38.000 We're gonna have a crazy week.

02:25:40.000 Crazy.

02:25:40.000 We're gonna have a really great guest tomorrow.

02:25:44.000 We don't really announce the guests because, you know, they cancel on us.

02:25:47.000 They back out on us.

02:25:47.000 Well, no.

02:25:48.000 How often does that happen?

02:25:50.000 It happened twice because of administrative issues for our guests.

02:25:54.000 So it was like really boring, nonsensical reasons like, you know, I missed my flight or like, you know.

02:25:59.000 Something came up.

02:26:00.000 Yeah, something came up.

02:26:01.000 And so I don't want to like get everyone hyped up, but I think tomorrow's gonna be really, really fun.

02:26:05.000 But this week is gonna be interesting.

02:26:07.000 It's lit.

02:26:07.000 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:26:09.000 Again, check out scnr.com if you want to see the reporting on what sounds like a bunch of different stories and a very complicated one, but I'm particularly interested to hear about this list of compromised people.

02:26:19.000 All you gotta remember is Gwonos.

02:26:21.000 Gwonos, all right.

02:26:22.000 Gwonos, interesting.

02:26:23.000 All right, everybody, thanks for hanging out, and we will see you all again tomorrow night at 8 p.m.

02:26:27.000 All right, bye guys.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - November 10, 2020

Timcast IRL - Former VICE Editor-In-Chief In Studio With BREAKING News

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