Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Global Food Shortage Is Coming, WW3, Scary, Fear, Whatever w-Andrew Heaton

00:00:00.000 There was no news today.

00:00:10.000 Thanks for tuning in, and we'll see you all next week.

00:00:12.000 I'm just kidding.

00:00:13.000 No, we actually do have a show.

00:00:15.000 But we were making a joke earlier that back in the day, they used to actually say that because they'd be like, there's not really any news, so let's just take the day off and send out the message to everybody and let them know nothing's happening.

00:00:23.000 But there's always got to be something happening.

00:00:25.000 And we're just chilling on a Friday night.

00:00:27.000 The truth is, yeah, there's a lot of news and stink bugs, I guess.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, so many.

00:00:31.000 But, uh, there's, you know, the news story that's coming out is the global food shortage is coming

00:00:35.000 because of the fertilizer shortage now due to the conflict with Russia and Ukraine.

00:00:39.000 Russia's not sending out fertilizer, which means fertilizer costs are skyrocketing.

00:00:43.000 And that means the crop yield is going to be like 40% down.

00:00:45.000 It's happening in spring, which means come fall, man, your food's going to get really expensive,

00:00:50.000 not to mention all the gas and all that stuff.

00:00:52.000 So, you know, scary, fear, rah!

00:00:54.000 The world's ending and all that, or whatever.

00:00:55.000 But, uh, you know, it's Friday, so we're gonna hang out, we'll talk about that.

00:00:58.000 We got a couple other stories.

00:00:59.000 We've got, uh, Putin had a big rally in Russia, everyone's talking about there's a glitch or something on TV.

00:01:04.000 Uh, Dr. Fauci, who vanished for some time, he's got some, uh, uh, doom saying for us, you know.

00:01:10.000 Apparently there's a new variant and he's come out and he's like, there's a new variant, put me back on TV!

00:01:14.000 And joining us to be funny is Andrew Heaton.

00:01:16.000 Hello, I'm very funny.

00:01:16.000 A pleasure to be here, Tim.

00:01:17.000 talking about literally whatever.

00:01:19.000 Because I gotta be honest, it's one of those days where there is very little going on,

00:01:23.000 and it's kind of relaxing.

00:01:25.000 You know, because we'll just make jokes and be silly and have a good Friday night.

00:01:28.000 And joining us to be funny is Andrew Heaton.

00:01:30.000 Hello, I'm very funny.

00:01:31.000 That's right.

00:01:32.000 A pleasure to be here, Tim.

00:01:33.000 Thanks for having me on a day with no news to discuss.

00:01:35.000 Yeah, oh it's great.

00:01:36.000 Yeah, so the pressure's on you.

00:01:37.000 You better talk.

00:01:38.000 I took a lot of Adderall and read three issues of The Economist before I came on for nothing!

00:01:43.000 Oh, was there anything interesting in it?

00:01:46.000 Singapore's at a crossroads, Tim.

00:01:48.000 That's what I'm thinking about, yeah.

00:01:50.000 Ah, yes, and the politics of Liechtenstein.

00:01:53.000 Yes, let's talk about that.

00:01:55.000 So who are you?

00:01:55.000 What do you do?

00:01:57.000 I'm a political satirist and a podcast host.

00:01:59.000 So I'm funny.

00:02:01.000 I'm a contributor at Reason TV.

00:02:03.000 You're funny!

00:02:04.000 Well, I'm not going to do it tonight because I'm off duty.

00:02:06.000 It's a Friday.

00:02:07.000 But if it were like a Monday around 11 a.m.

00:02:09.000 to 1143 a.m., I'm very funny during that slot.

00:02:13.000 And I host a show called The Political Orphanage, which is a podcast designed for people that don't feel like they're being catered to by red team versus blue team media.

00:02:21.000 Okay, cool.

00:02:22.000 All right, then.

00:02:23.000 Well, thanks for coming.

00:02:24.000 Thanks.

00:02:24.000 Good to see you.

00:02:25.000 I'll see myself out.

00:02:27.000 We got another guy who makes fun of politics.

00:02:29.000 Yeah, my name is Seamus Coughlin.

00:02:30.000 I also do political satire for a YouTube channel I created a while ago called Freedom Tunes.

00:02:35.000 We just do satire about current events.

00:02:37.000 Sometimes we'll dive into deeper topics.

00:02:39.000 And we also do educational cartoons every now and again.

00:02:42.000 So that's pretty exciting and a lot of fun.

00:02:44.000 Go check that out.

00:02:45.000 We released a cartoon yesterday on the industrial military complex, and now they're constantly using World War II nostalgia to get people invested in new meddling in other countries and new policies of meddling in other countries, and I think you guys will enjoy it.

00:02:57.000 That was disturbingly awesome.

00:02:58.000 Thank you, Ian.

00:02:59.000 I went out and bought war bonds.

00:03:02.000 He really took it literally.

00:03:03.000 The satire went over. 0.99

00:03:04.000 I gotta defeat them Nazis! 0.98

00:03:06.000 That's correct. 0.97

00:03:07.000 Welcome back.

00:03:08.000 Hey everyone, Ian Crosland here.

00:03:09.000 Welcome back to me.

00:03:11.000 I'm back again after two days.

00:03:12.000 I wasn't feeling very well so I took a couple days off and I decided to change my diet really hard.

00:03:16.000 I had a hard left turn.

00:03:17.000 I started eating only kimchi and aloe vera inner filet with these eternal reds. 1.00

00:03:22.000 No, and then it healed me.

00:03:23.000 So within like 40 hours, I just, I dodged like a serious cold.

00:03:27.000 I could feel it coming on and I was just like, nope, not going to eat the dry food because it was making me dehydrated.

00:03:32.000 The funniest thing was that we had Congressman Randy Weber, who's on the Energy Committee and he's, you know, when the Republicans win, he'll be the chair.

00:03:39.000 And I was just like, the one time Ian really needs to talk about graphene.

00:03:43.000 Apparently Tim misrepresented.

00:03:44.000 Tim was like, Graphene's horrible, I wouldn't even look at it.

00:03:47.000 Dude, Graphene is awesome, by the way.

00:03:49.000 We should go deeper into Graphene tonight.

00:03:52.000 Touchscreen wallpaper.

00:03:53.000 This is hilarious. 1.00

00:03:53.000 I'm an idiot. 1.00

00:03:54.000 Ian was out sick, and here I was, filling in for him, not taking the empty spot, but sitting in his desk with the microphone he breathes into right in my face, knowing he was sick. 1.00

00:04:03.000 I didn't even consider it.

00:04:04.000 Yeah, man, that old guest mic was the one.

00:04:06.000 You got to wipe that one down.

00:04:08.000 I licked your mic when I came in.

00:04:10.000 Am I going to get Ian?

00:04:11.000 It's going to strengthen your immunity.

00:04:13.000 We're trying to strengthen immunity here.

00:04:14.000 Before I forget, I want to kick it over to Lydia here, who's also with us. 1.00

00:04:18.000 I am also here.

00:04:19.000 That's true.

00:04:19.000 Thank you, Ian.

00:04:20.000 I'm here in the corner.

00:04:21.000 I'm very excited for Andrew Heaton.

00:04:22.000 I was listening to his podcast, The Political Orphanage, earlier today and watching one of his videos.

00:04:26.000 Hilarious, by the way.

00:04:27.000 I'm going to have to make his podcast part of my regular rotation.

00:04:30.000 Can I plug the latest episode?

00:04:31.000 You can, yeah.

00:04:33.000 I have been watching all the Ukraine footage.

00:04:35.000 I've been watching all the breathless fighting between Republicans and Democrats, and I think the actual fissures are deeper and different than that.

00:04:43.000 So I did an episode on that.

00:04:44.000 I did an episode on international relations theory, which sounds boring, but is actually just the DNA of war.

00:04:50.000 Why is war caused, and what are the competing solutions to war?

00:04:54.000 So that was the latest episode.

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00:06:52.000 And let's just let's just throw it to this first story, which is just more of a general story.

00:06:56.000 And then we'll just have a fun Friday hangout. There's been a lot of news about inflation

00:07:01.000 and gas. And it seems like the new news cycle that's starting to bubble up,

00:07:05.000 we're getting from Politico, from CNN, from The Washington Post and all these big outlets,

00:07:09.000 is that there's going to be a global food shortage or that we're already experiencing one,

00:07:13.000 not to mention inflation is through the roof. So we got a couple stories about there's this

00:07:17.000 billionaire who owns a chain of grocery stores and he said, buy your food now because it's going

00:07:22.000 to get really expensive soon. They're saying that basically because Russia produces so much

00:07:27.000 fertilizer and now no one can trade with them because of the war.

00:07:30.000 We're going to see fertilizer costs skyrocket, availability diminish, crop yields will drop by 40% come fall is when

00:07:37.000 everyone's going to get hit by it.

00:07:38.000 That's the latest scary news in the media and all has to do with the war and what's going on. So how are you guys doing?

00:07:43.000 So if I can get a couple million bats and bat guano, I can get a million more.

00:07:48.000 I can corner the market on fertilizer?

00:07:50.000 Yes.

00:07:50.000 Okay.

00:07:51.000 Ian.

00:07:52.000 Yes.

00:07:52.000 How do you feel about going in on me, in with me on a bat investment?

00:07:56.000 In on me?

00:07:57.000 In on me.

00:07:57.000 Well, the way you asked me the question, it's hard to say no.

00:08:00.000 Let me put my thought in you.

00:08:02.000 Now that you've inceived inside of me.

00:08:04.000 You know what?

00:08:04.000 We'll talk later.

00:08:05.000 We'll discuss graphene and bats.

00:08:06.000 Okay.

00:08:08.000 Maybe we do need a little bit of nationalizing fertilizer. 0.98

00:08:11.000 What?

00:08:12.000 I don't know.

00:08:12.000 Nationalizing food production never ends well, bro.

00:08:16.000 It is a great way to murder millions of people.

00:08:20.000 Way cheaper than nuclear weapons, too. 0.98

00:08:22.000 Socialized agriculture is the best way to kill people. 0.74

00:08:24.000 That's actually a really good point. 0.91

00:08:26.000 You know, we work so hard on nuclear weapons to kill tons of people when all we need to do is communism.

00:08:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:31.000 The United States didn't even need to drop bombs on Japan. 0.51

00:08:35.000 We could have just dropped communist pamphlets and then problems solved.

00:08:38.000 Communism in a nutshell, like the agriculture, is such a good microcosm for that.

00:08:44.000 What the Soviets would do is they'd go, okay, we need more crops, so we're going to order all of the farmers. 0.93

00:08:51.000 You've got to till twice as much land now.

00:08:52.000 And the farmers went, Yeah, okay.

00:08:54.000 And they just lifted up the, what do you call them, the rudders?

00:08:59.000 The rudders are the tractors.

00:09:00.000 You can tell I'm a farmer.

00:09:01.000 They lifted up the rudders and then they just drove really fast.

00:09:04.000 Like they just raked the top of it because they don't have any personal gain in it.

00:09:08.000 And then like, of course, that meant that all of the bushels of wheat declined and everybody started starving to death in Ukraine.

00:09:15.000 The other thing they would do is they would go to the guy who knows how to farm, kill him, and then take someone who didn't know how to farm and put him in charge.

00:09:21.000 Cambodia is a great example.

00:09:23.000 I mean, Cambodia, they literally... First, like, Cambodia, they shot anybody that had any kind of education. 1.00

00:09:28.000 They just shot it to the point where if you had glasses, Ian, you'd be up against the wall.

00:09:31.000 This is Pol Pot.

00:09:32.000 Yeah, Pol Pot.

00:09:33.000 Was he like a subject of Mao, or was he a friend of Mao, or inspired by Mao, or something?

00:09:37.000 Not only was he inspired by Mao, this is literally the name of Cambodia's communist program, was the Super Great Leap Forward.

00:09:45.000 Not the Great Leap Forward, but the Super Great Leap Forward.

00:09:48.000 You think it was my idea?

00:09:49.000 And they killed about a quarter of the population doing that.

00:09:52.000 And they literally, they'd go, okay, the annual crop yield of the average hectare of farmland in Cambodia, let's say it's like eight bushels or something.

00:09:59.000 They went, all right, from now on everybody has to do 40 bushels.

00:10:01.000 And people would go, uh, hi, I'm Steve Doerr.

00:10:04.000 I don't know how to farm.

00:10:05.000 And also there's a bunch of rocks here.

00:10:06.000 And like, that was it.

00:10:08.000 And like, it caused massive, massive death.

00:10:11.000 Yeah, that was the funny thing where, um, was it Mao?

00:10:13.000 He was like, kill the sparrows.

00:10:14.000 Yeah!

00:10:15.000 And then everybody, locusts ate all the crops.

00:10:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:10:18.000 This is why centralize is important.

00:10:20.000 Don't let commies near food. 0.98

00:10:21.000 Don't let commies near food. 0.98

00:10:23.000 No, no, hold on, hold on.

00:10:24.000 Shout out, shout out to Maduro.

00:10:26.000 Oh boy.

00:10:27.000 Yeah, did a great job there.

00:10:28.000 When he was giving his national address and then just pulls an empanada out from a drawer and bites it really slowly and then puts it back On TV for everyone to watch.

00:10:38.000 This is how great capitalism is, because capitalism is like, what are we worried about?

00:10:41.000 Getting fat!

00:10:42.000 That's what we're worried about with capitalism is excess Twinkies. 0.86

00:10:45.000 That's how great, like, we just produce all this stuff.

00:10:48.000 Yeah, I saw AOC has a new ASMR video out.

00:10:51.000 I don't know if you guys saw it, she's like whispering.

00:10:53.000 She's like...

00:10:54.000 Wait, are you serious?

00:10:55.000 Stop it. Yeah, she's legit whispering into the oh you're like me. No, I'm not. Are you serious? Yes AOC did ASMR

00:11:01.000 I don't know if she was like whispering. Yeah, it's just whispering and she was like

00:11:05.000 They're actually socialists Because no one's a capitalist.

00:11:11.000 Because no one has a billion dollars.

00:11:13.000 What?

00:11:14.000 And I'm like...

00:11:14.000 That's not how...

00:11:15.000 That's not what the word means.

00:11:15.000 I'm like...

00:11:16.000 You know, I don't...

00:11:16.000 I...

00:11:17.000 I...

00:11:17.000 I was like gonna tweet something that was like mean.

00:11:19.000 And then I was just like...

00:11:21.000 She's got a dictionary, right?

00:11:22.000 Because that's not what capitalism means.

00:11:23.000 She... 1.00

00:11:23.000 Technically she has a degree in economics. 1.00

00:11:25.000 That's the thing that...

00:11:26.000 Really irritates me.

00:11:27.000 No, she doesn't.

00:11:28.000 No, I believe she studied.

00:11:29.000 She clearly didn't sit through any of the classes.

00:11:31.000 That drives me nuts, because I'm going to spend the rest of my life having to go, no, the definition of socialism is the government owns the means of production.

00:11:36.000 That's the definition of socialism.

00:11:38.000 It doesn't mean sharing.

00:11:39.000 That would make the Koch brothers socialists.

00:11:41.000 But what you fail to realize is that the definition of capitalism is you have a billion dollars.

00:11:45.000 Oh, that explains it.

00:11:47.000 Seamus, you're so smart.

00:11:48.000 Well, I'm glad I could inform you guys.

00:11:49.000 So in communism, they own the production.

00:11:50.000 Socialism, they also own the production.

00:11:52.000 What's the difference there?

00:11:53.000 There's actually debate about that.

00:11:55.000 The distinction between communism and socialism.

00:11:56.000 Some people say that communism is the end state and socialism comes in between.

00:12:00.000 Others say that communism is when the government completely controls culture and economy, whereas under socialism they're just controlling economy.

00:12:08.000 Let me tell you what the lefties say.

00:12:11.000 They say socialism is an economic system and communism is a political system.

00:12:15.000 In socialism, you can have a variety of social issues, you can have a variety of, you know, like church or gay marriage, but the economic system is the means of production are owned by the people, and they believe in full-out socialism, there is like, there's no, you know, there would be no, I don't wanna say no currency, But there's no private trade of goods, whereas communism is everyone's equal on every issue.

00:12:42.000 So communism includes issues like gay marriage, whereas socialism is just economic.

00:12:46.000 So would it be like socialism is to communism as capitalism is to democracy?

00:12:51.000 Yeah, but that is a... Capitalism is the economic state and democracy is the governmental political state?

00:12:57.000 Not necessarily.

00:12:58.000 Capitalism can exist under multiple systems.

00:13:00.000 Sure, yeah, yeah.

00:13:01.000 In fact, there are many who argue democracy and capitalism are opposed to one another.

00:13:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:05.000 Saying, yeah, exactly.

00:13:07.000 Like, socialism and communism are Socialism is a large component of communist ideology.

00:13:13.000 Like it can't exist?

00:13:13.000 One can't exist?

00:13:14.000 Communism cannot exist without socialism?

00:13:16.000 Yes.

00:13:16.000 But we're also approaching this as Westerners from a liberal democracy.

00:13:20.000 Because as Seamus rightly points out, the commies didn't think this way.

00:13:22.000 Like if you go back and you look at Soviet manifestos, like back in the 80s, you see like The Soviet premier would say, we believe we can achieve communism in the next 10 years, right?

00:13:32.000 So like, to an American, that sounds very odd for the Soviet Union to say it's not communist, but the way commies thought was socialism is our economic policy, communism is when the withering of the state occurs and the proletariat becomes the kind of the end all be all, right? 0.53

00:13:47.000 The last 30 years, we've made a distinction of socialist countries are socialist countries that are cute that we like, and communist countries are socialist countries that we find scary.

00:13:56.000 And capitalism, for those that don't know, is literally just when private individuals have the ability to trade amongst each other.

00:14:04.000 It means that capitalism would be you as an individual decide that your labor has value and you decide what you're willing to exchange it for.

00:14:16.000 In socialism, you don't get to decide what your labor is worth, you just get what's available.

00:14:20.000 Yeah, I mean, central planners determine where your labor should be allocated, and to your point, this is why you constantly hear commies saying that real communism has never been tried, because they're talking about a theoretical end state which has never existed in the real world.

00:14:33.000 Gosh, they sure killed a lot of people trying to get there, didn't they?

00:14:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:35.000 Real communists, they did some heavy lifting to try and get there.

00:14:38.000 Also, this is hilarious because they say communism works, and then they say real communism's never been tried, and how on earth could you know if it works if it's never been tried?

00:14:44.000 Well, it sounds like they tried it for a hundred years and failed.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, they failed to achieve their end goal.

00:14:49.000 Well, you could... I mean, like... Sounds so weird for me to say.

00:14:52.000 I think they could be right if you tried it with a hundred and fifty people, and anybody in that group could leave whenever they wanted.

00:14:59.000 But that only happens in communism, because it's not coercive.

00:15:02.000 In a family, absolutely.

00:15:04.000 Like, a family is communist.

00:15:05.000 We've talked about this in the past.

00:15:06.000 It's like the valence levels of behavior.

00:15:08.000 In your family, it's very communist to what they need.

00:15:11.000 In your city, it's socialist.

00:15:12.000 You have firemen, and they work for the city.

00:15:14.000 That's not socialism.

00:15:15.000 In the greater whole, we're a more democratic republic.

00:15:17.000 That's not socialism.

00:15:19.000 Fire departments are not socialism.

00:15:21.000 Police departments are not socialism.

00:15:24.000 Socialism is when the factory is owned by the state.

00:15:27.000 Like the fire department and so on by the city.

00:15:28.000 So you having some components of emergency services that are provided to you through social services is not

00:15:35.000 socialism It's not socialism. You can call it social welfare program

00:15:39.000 hybrid. This is what happens with Denmark and you know Bernie Sanders is like they're 1.00

00:15:43.000 socialist and then it's true And then the Prime Minister comes out and he says, no, we're not.

00:15:47.000 The Prime Minister flew to America to remind, he's like, no, we are actually a market economy.

00:15:52.000 We are a market economy that has a robust welfare state.

00:15:55.000 Exactly.

00:15:55.000 Which is a nuance that is very much lost on Bernie Sanders, who has converted the word socialism to mean sharing.

00:16:01.000 So is the fire department part, like, welfare?

00:16:03.000 Is it considered welfare?

00:16:05.000 I would say, you could say that in a sense, yeah.

00:16:07.000 Well, first of all, fire department actually varies quite a lot in the United States.

00:16:10.000 About half of the fire departments in the United States are private voluntary organizations.

00:16:14.000 About half of them are some combination of publicly funded and things like that.

00:16:17.000 So the idea that all fire departments are a public government organization the same way like police departments are would be a misnomer.

00:16:25.000 I don't know.

00:16:27.000 I could kind of go either way on that.

00:16:28.000 Because theoretically an army could be a mercenary army, right?

00:16:31.000 But we don't tend to have those.

00:16:33.000 We tend to have an actual military that is paid for by taxpayers and things.

00:16:37.000 You can have bodyguards and things like that.

00:16:41.000 Fire departments aren't producing things, they're emergency services.

00:16:44.000 So I think it's fair to say there's a distinction between you open up a cracker factory and the government's like, no, no, no, we control how this operates.

00:16:51.000 Because it's going to be equal for the people.

00:16:52.000 So you would make the distinction between economic productivity or just economic production versus services?

00:16:58.000 Well, not necessarily services, because services could be anything.

00:17:01.000 I mean, delivery services, the post office.

00:17:03.000 I just think it's fair to say that the fire department is not socialism.

00:17:07.000 The fire department isn't the means of production.

00:17:09.000 It's emergency services.

00:17:11.000 So emergency services are different from services.

00:17:13.000 The post office is not an emergency service.

00:17:15.000 The post office, we could argue, should be privatized.

00:17:17.000 You know, FedEx and UPS are better.

00:17:18.000 I argue that quite a lot, actually.

00:17:20.000 Occasionally people will call me from NPR and be like, you want to come talk about this?

00:17:23.000 There are some questions about why it's important the fire department be sort of nationalized, sort of private.

00:17:31.000 A lot of areas that have volunteer fire departments, they do because they don't have the resources to sustain large salaried fire departments.

00:17:38.000 But one of the issues with fire departments, as to why it might make sense to have it be sort of like a, you know, look, we're going to cover all fire, is because fire spreads.

00:17:46.000 Right.

00:17:47.000 And if the police department showed up and said, this guy doesn't pay us, we don't service him.

00:17:50.000 It's like, what are you going to do?

00:17:52.000 Put the fire out for the buildings next to it?

00:17:53.000 Nah, we're all too close to each other.

00:17:54.000 Just put the fire out and we'll have to figure it out.

00:17:57.000 Negative externalities are a legitimate role for government, in my opinion. 1.00

00:18:01.000 If you've got smog, smog doesn't obey property lines, right?

00:18:04.000 So that's a situation where it makes sense to have some kind of adjudicating service.

00:18:08.000 But if I want to make and sell shoes, having the shoe department where you've got to go apply at the government office and then pass some affirmative action test or diversity test, and then they allow you to be a shoemaker, that's a problem.

00:18:22.000 And if there were a federal shoe department and you and I came in and went, you know, we think the private sector could probably handle this, people would think we're monsters.

00:18:31.000 If I said we should privatize the federal shoe department because the Milwaukee public factory makes way too many left shoes and the Oregon factory makes insufficient right shoes so we're making people wear two left shoes, I think the private sector could handle this.

00:18:45.000 People would go, you want people to walk around barefoot in America and you're a monster.

00:18:49.000 The problem with the Department of Education, people want that ended and I think privatized or at least sent around localized, is that when it's no longer federalized, then how do you organize it?

00:19:01.000 How do you make sure everyone's getting like a similar shoe size?

00:19:03.000 How do you make sure that your size 11 is the same as his size 11 if you're different companies?

00:19:07.000 With no government oversight.

00:19:08.000 Arguably, it's not doing it now, right?

00:19:11.000 The federal government basically just tries to bribe state education departments with grants, like with No Child Left Behind and that kind of thing, but the actual curriculum is still done at the state level and the funding is done at the local level.

00:19:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:22.000 I mean, the Department of Education has only been around since the late 1970s, so it's not as if this is integral to our public education system.

00:19:29.000 And even if it was, it would still probably be bad because our public education system is horrible.

00:19:32.000 Yes.

00:19:33.000 I think Massey said it would free up $400 million a year.

00:19:35.000 Again, flip it.

00:19:37.000 If the private sector, if we just had like charter schools, and that was all the schools in America right now, and we were looking at test scores, people would go, man, the private sector's really failed.

00:19:45.000 We need to change this.

00:19:46.000 But when the government does it, we never go, man, the government's screwing this up.

00:19:49.000 We should privatize this.

00:19:50.000 Well, so that's the way I describe it, is with these social programs, Uh, well, I'll start by saying all laws should have sunset clauses, you know, all bills being passed through Congress.

00:19:59.000 And the same is true for all social programs.

00:20:01.000 I like the idea that we're like, okay, we got a serious issue, right?

00:20:04.000 We've got mass homelessness.

00:20:05.000 We're going to need a major public works program.

00:20:07.000 That's fine to me, as long as it's got like a finite limit on when it expires.

00:20:11.000 Because what happens is they come out and they say, we need a department of education.

00:20:16.000 We need public schools because we need our kids to be educated.

00:20:19.000 And then a few years goes by and the kids are suffering and doing worse.

00:20:22.000 And so the way I describe this is the United States with a festering wound, they slap a bandage on it.

00:20:26.000 They say, we'll just cover that up with a nice little bandage. 0.99

00:20:28.000 And then a few years goes by and they look at it.

00:20:29.000 Now it's smoldering and infested and worse.

00:20:31.000 And they say, let's just put another bandage on top of that. 0.98

00:20:34.000 And just what they do is they keep dumping money into failing programs.

00:20:38.000 So you think they're fixing it, but they're not really fixing it.

00:20:41.000 Yeah.

00:20:41.000 So they're saying, hey, we're going to fix it with this money, and you go, oh, thank you.

00:20:44.000 And then you walk away, and then they don't actually fix it.

00:20:46.000 They make it worse.

00:20:47.000 And you can't falsify that either.

00:20:48.000 Like, if we're going to approach policymaking scientifically, you can't disprove a negative, right?

00:20:53.000 Like, if any government program you ever put out there fails, the proponents of it can go, well, it was insufficiently funded.

00:21:00.000 That applies to literally anything.

00:21:01.000 Every single time, yeah.

00:21:03.000 We failed, so give us more money.

00:21:05.000 It would have worked if only you'd given us money, because there's never going to be enough money for everybody to have what they want.

00:21:10.000 Yeah, it's hilarious.

00:21:11.000 You see political leaders do this a lot, too.

00:21:12.000 Like, I didn't achieve everything I was supposed to in my first term, which is why you need to give me a second.

00:21:16.000 You know what?

00:21:16.000 Like, sometimes it can be legitimate.

00:21:18.000 I just want to mention this one Milton Friedman quote, that there is nothing so permanent as a temporary government program.

00:21:22.000 You know what?

00:21:24.000 Abolish government.

00:21:25.000 Just get rid of it all?

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.000 Let it fall?

00:21:27.000 Whole thing.

00:21:27.000 Abolish government.

00:21:28.000 I just, I want a boutique government.

00:21:30.000 I want a little, like, compact IKEA government.

00:21:32.000 Nobody, no government for anybody.

00:21:33.000 Nobody gets any government.

00:21:34.000 It's gonna fall apart.

00:21:35.000 It's done.

00:21:36.000 Am I the statist here?

00:21:37.000 I did not see this coming.

00:21:39.000 Alright, I think there should be a government.

00:21:41.000 I just think it should basically protect us from bears and maybe communists.

00:21:44.000 We need an agile government that changes when the technology changes.

00:21:47.000 Like, we should be working more online.

00:21:48.000 The government's so They're so slow to adapt.

00:21:50.000 They're so happy getting their paychecks and just going to work when they feel like it.

00:21:53.000 Here's where I disagree.

00:21:54.000 I actually think the government's too quick to adapt.

00:21:55.000 I wish they moved a lot more slowly than they do.

00:21:58.000 Powdered wigs!

00:21:59.000 When was like the first paper on graphene?

00:22:02.000 That I ever saw?

00:22:03.000 No, just like what you can think of.

00:22:05.000 Like the first big... I think it was 2004 is when it was discovered.

00:22:08.000 So we're looking at... What are we at now?

00:22:12.000 18 years and the US government has not made of graphene?

00:22:15.000 It's not made of it yet?

00:22:16.000 It's not made of graphene?

00:22:16.000 It's crazy.

00:22:17.000 You had your opportunity yesterday.

00:22:18.000 Use the best government in the world to produce the most miraculous substrate in the planet Earth.

00:22:21.000 It's crazy.

00:22:21.000 You had your opportunity yesterday.

00:22:22.000 Whenever we have a politician or Ian's like, Graphene, like, now's my chance.

00:22:26.000 You guys should be looking at this.

00:22:28.000 As if like...

00:22:29.000 Use the best government in the world to produce the most miraculous substrate in the planet Earth.

00:22:33.000 It's pure carbon.

00:22:34.000 You know, I'm somewhat kidding about the government being made of Graphene, but I think it's a good example of Nancy

00:22:39.000 Pelosi is how old?

00:22:40.000 You know, 80?

00:22:41.000 98.

00:22:42.000 Look, the left and the right agree on this, that we know there's an age of retirement and an age at which people

00:22:47.000 start to deteriorate, yet our government is run exclusively by

00:22:50.000 by septuagenarians and octogenarians.

00:22:54.000 Maybe, with all due respect, these people should be given an opportunity to retire off into the sunset.

00:22:59.000 And just relax with a coconut and a cigar or something.

00:23:01.000 Have you ever heard of El Presidente Salazar of Portugal?

00:23:05.000 This is a very quick story.

00:23:07.000 This is one of my favorite stories.

00:23:08.000 Portugal had one of those presidents for life.

00:23:11.000 I think it was in the 60s or the 70s, but he's like El Presidente, but he's a dictator, right?

00:23:16.000 He has a stroke, and he is on his deathbed, and the rubber-stamped parliament of Portugal goes, All right, enough of this nonsense.

00:23:24.000 It's time to go back to being a democracy.

00:23:26.000 Let's join the rest of Europe.

00:23:27.000 We're going to be a liberal democracy.

00:23:28.000 Okay, everybody all in favor?

00:23:30.000 We're a democracy now.

00:23:31.000 But then he recovers, and they go, oh, uh-oh, uh-oh.

00:23:35.000 But he's like, he's okay, but he's kind of winded.

00:23:37.000 So what they do is they send him to like the presidential winter palace, and for the next three years of his life, they don't tell him.

00:23:45.000 He's been ousted.

00:23:45.000 And they send in lying orderlies to come in every day and go, Ah, yes, Mr. President, we did as you said and we firebombed Lisbon or whatever.

00:23:53.000 And they just give him like a... He's living in Truman's show for the last three years of his life.

00:23:59.000 I think it's a great thing to do with dictators.

00:24:01.000 Give him a fake send-off, yeah.

00:24:04.000 That's what they do in Napoleon. 0.82

00:24:05.000 I mean, they knew they can't martyr the guy.

00:24:06.000 You gotta be careful you don't martyr the guy.

00:24:07.000 He at least knew, though.

00:24:08.000 He knew he was... He didn't realize, he didn't think he was running Paris.

00:24:12.000 That would have been funny.

00:24:13.000 Oh yeah, he knew he was.

00:24:14.000 He knew he was.

00:24:15.000 A lot of people recommended that, or a lot of the left was saying about Trump, you know, put him in a fake White House, and then just film it and do a reality show where he thinks he's president.

00:24:15.000 That's why he came back.

00:24:22.000 Yeah, part of me thinks that's what's happening with Biden.

00:24:25.000 You know, like, he's sitting there thinking he's playing video games, but Kamala handed him a controller that's not plugged in, and she's actually the one doing it.

00:24:31.000 You have it backwards.

00:24:32.000 Yeah.

00:24:32.000 The American people are being shown a TV screen.

00:24:35.000 And we're being told he's the president.

00:24:35.000 It's so true.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:38.000 I mean, I'm pretty sure things are being run by the people around him.

00:24:38.000 Well, exactly.

00:24:41.000 The man can't finish a sentence.

00:24:43.000 Well, I don't, you know, I've said this several times.

00:24:46.000 I think the people around him are trying to do what Biden wants.

00:24:50.000 But a man that incoherent makes it impossible.

00:24:53.000 So they're all, you know, the joke is like they're all sitting around the table, you know, and you've got Millie and Kamala.

00:24:59.000 And then Biden's like, Oh, this, uh, Ukraine thing.

00:25:03.000 Come on, man.

00:25:04.000 What?

00:25:04.000 Come on, man.

00:25:06.000 And then they're all sitting around looking at each other like, uh, what do we do?

00:25:09.000 What did he say he wants us to do?

00:25:11.000 And then Trump was like, you got a Vladimir Putin, get him on the phone and turn it on a shot of the pressure.

00:25:16.000 And they're like, okay.

00:25:17.000 And then they all get up and leave the room and they're all looking at each other like, what are we supposed to do?

00:25:20.000 I have no idea.

00:25:21.000 What did he say?

00:25:21.000 And then they just start pressing random buttons.

00:25:23.000 They're like, we're working Biden.

00:25:25.000 So they're technically the ones doing things, but it's like without a nucleus, without a cohesive core guiding you, like, you know, for all of Donald Trump's faults, he was telling people to do things, you know, and they would do them and things worked out.

00:25:38.000 Now Joe Biden is muttering to himself at the time and they're just pressing random buttons hoping something happens.

00:25:44.000 Look, you look at the Afghanistan withdrawal.

00:25:46.000 Who in their right mind would be like, we're going to withdraw from the Bagram Air Force Base in the middle of the night without telling the Afghan security forces?

00:25:54.000 Then we're going to try and evacuate people through the civilian airport once everyone's found out.

00:25:58.000 Hold on.

00:25:59.000 If our main goal is just to do it on the anniversary of 9-11, if that's the top goal, it makes sense.

00:26:04.000 If you're just doing it for symbolic purposes, if that's your top deal.

00:26:09.000 I looked at the 2020 election and I thought America had a choice between getting on a train that keeps getting lost or getting on a train that hits cows for fun.

00:26:19.000 I thought it was a really, really bad choice that we all had to make on that one.

00:26:24.000 This is the problem with first-past-the-post voting systems.

00:26:28.000 Yes.

00:26:28.000 Yeah, you end up with two people and everyone just hates the other one so much they vote for the other one.

00:26:33.000 And you end up with, you know, look, in 2016, I was like, I'm not voting for Trump.

00:26:38.000 And Hillary Clinton? 0.99

00:26:39.000 Yeah, right.

00:26:40.000 I'm definitely not voting for Hillary Clinton.

00:26:42.000 When 2020 came around with critical race theory and everything that was going on, and then Trump released his, you know, second-term campaign positions, I was like, I'll vote for that.

00:26:51.000 You know, it's not so bad.

00:26:54.000 I'm unfamiliar with your whole arc.

00:26:57.000 I know that you used to be a Bernie guy, right?

00:26:59.000 Oh yeah, but Bernie lost his mind.

00:27:02.000 I wondered if maybe it's just you're a populist.

00:27:04.000 Probably.

00:27:05.000 Is that it?

00:27:06.000 Oh, Bernie Sanders in 2015.

00:27:08.000 Open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.

00:27:10.000 On behalf of the neoliberal shills, we rather like open borders.

00:27:14.000 We've been in favor of that for a while.

00:27:16.000 So with Bernie, you've got a guy who's supported by a lot of working class guys.

00:27:20.000 He says on stage at a debate, the gun control debate is an urban versus rural issue, and people in Vermont like guns.

00:27:27.000 So it's not Democrat, Republican, or whatever.

00:27:29.000 There are Democrats who like guns, and I'm like, you know, I appreciate hearing this.

00:27:32.000 And back then I was not a staunch 2A absolutist for the most part.

00:27:37.000 I was like, I think there's some reasonable discussion there, but it felt reasonable because I know that people who live in rural areas have a different expectation on guns.

00:27:44.000 So I lived in rural, you know, outside of Miami in the Redlands back in, I think this was 2015.

00:27:51.000 And so I understood what was going on in the neighborhood as to why people liked guns.

00:27:55.000 There were illegal immigrants who were committing crimes and killing people, and it happened in this area, and so all of a sudden I'm like, I think I understand why people are having these conversations. 0.76

00:28:05.000 But Bernie Sanders, you know, just quickly went full-on neoliberal, Democrat establishment, Hillary Clinton, open borders, and I was like, I don't even know what the guy stands for at this point other than having a bunch of houses and saying, if you want to have several houses, you can write a best-selling book too. 0.97

00:28:21.000 Donald Trump was a blowhard.

00:28:23.000 He was bombastic.

00:28:24.000 But with 2020, you have his push against critical race theory.

00:28:27.000 He banned not explicitly critical race theory, but the tenets of CRT, which violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

00:28:34.000 He banned that from government contracts and in government training, which is really, really good.

00:28:38.000 I knew Biden would overturn that and once again bring racist whites like overtly white supremacist

00:28:43.000 ideology segregation back into government under the guise of not being white supremacist and they

00:28:48.000 would accuse the people who are fighting for civil libertarianism of being the racist so I'm like

00:28:52.000 that's one for Trump. Trump set a timeline for withdrawing out of Afghanistan. I said I'd like

00:28:55.000 to see that followed through. Look at what Biden did. Hey I was right to vote for Trump. Joe Biden

00:28:59.000 screwed that up miserably. Donald Trump is also for school. 0.72

00:29:02.000 Wait didn't Biden delay the timeline?

00:29:04.000 He delayed the timeline and then he screwed up the withdrawal outright.

00:29:08.000 So Donald Trump surrendered.

00:29:09.000 How do you think it would have been different than what Trump would have done in terms of Afghanistan?

00:29:14.000 So there's a question why, even Bill Maher mentioned, why didn't Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine under Trump? 1.00

00:29:20.000 Donald Trump was a madman. 1.00

00:29:23.000 Is a madman. 1.00

00:29:24.000 To the point where the left said, he's a madman! 1.00

00:29:27.000 And the right was like, he's a madman! 1.00

00:29:29.000 And I'm like, I think we all agree he's a madman. 0.99

00:29:31.000 But, you know, in varying ways, right? 0.86

00:29:33.000 The right was like, he's eccentric and he's going to do it.

00:29:36.000 He's going to do shocking things.

00:29:39.000 Trump said recently that he was talking to Putin and said, if you go into Ukraine, I'll hit Moscow, I'll nuke Moscow.

00:29:44.000 And he's like, yeah, he believed me a little bit, maybe 5, 10 percent, but it's enough, right? 0.96

00:29:49.000 I don't like that idea that our president is going to be like, I'll kill 10 million civilians.

00:29:54.000 But then you look at, you know, what Trump was actually doing during this whole conflict.

00:29:58.000 We saw the crushing of ISIS, which Russia was probably like, OK, well, you know, this guy's not crushing my allies like the Obama administration was doing with Syria and basically arming the rebels in the Middle East.

00:30:09.000 When he was talking about withdrawing from NATO, which would be very pleasing to Russia, right? 1.00

00:30:12.000 So if I was Russia and the president was talking about withdrawing from NATO, I would not want to antagonize NATO because I wouldn't want to give them a rationale to continue existing.

00:30:18.000 Except if you understand Trump, you understand he plays what's called the big ask.

00:30:22.000 What Trump was saying, and many argue he saved NATO.

00:30:25.000 Trump went to NATO and said, you're not paying your fair share for military, and you're expecting the American people to do it.

00:30:32.000 I hear that, and I'm like... That is true. 0.95

00:30:34.000 I'm absolutely sick of the U.S.

00:30:36.000 being the world police.

00:30:36.000 The reason they all have the social welfare programs they have is because they don't have the military.

00:30:40.000 We have refined military.

00:30:41.000 And if Russia encroaches on them, we have to foot the bill for them, while the people here talk crap about us, because look at those countries and everything they get.

00:30:49.000 It's like, yeah, because our troops are over there, and they shouldn't be.

00:30:52.000 Well, what ends up happening is they start paying a little bit more.

00:30:55.000 What did Trump say when he went to this NATO meeting and he said, Germany, you're dependent on Russia.

00:30:59.000 Why is the U.S.

00:31:00.000 footing the bill for NATO to protect you from Russia and then you're dependent on their oil and keep doing deals with them?

00:31:06.000 He was right about all that.

00:31:07.000 So the reason why I think Vladimir Putin didn't invade Ukraine partly is because Trump is a bit What's the right word for unpredictable and a little crazy, right? 0.78

00:31:19.000 Erratic? 0.96

00:31:20.000 Erratic.

00:31:20.000 Good word.

00:31:21.000 Erratic.

00:31:22.000 And so Putin genuinely, I would imagine to a certain degree, was probably like, I'm not sure what he would do if I made these moves.

00:31:28.000 Now Biden, he's predictable.

00:31:31.000 But with Donald Trump, you get the crushing of ISIS.

00:31:34.000 Syria is Russia's ally. 0.90

00:31:36.000 We don't like ISIS.

00:31:37.000 The United States liked ISIS, the government did, because it was destabilizing the Assad regime, and the United States and Western powers wanted to build a pipeline through Syria, so it was also convenient for the West to be like, uh-oh, we accidentally gave weapons to a bunch of jihadis!

00:31:51.000 Trump goes in and blows them all up.

00:31:53.000 You can say, for better or for worse, the drone strikes and all that stuff, but ISIS was decimated under Trump.

00:31:58.000 So of course Vladimir Putin isn't invading.

00:32:00.000 The one way these leftists like to put it is they're like, because Trump was playing to Putin's agenda, and I'm like, crushing ISIS, staying out of Ukraine's affairs, and actually, like, allowing things to semi-stabilize, like the Abraham Accords?

00:32:13.000 Oh, it's no wonder Putin was so upset.

00:32:15.000 But if you're like, that's Putin's agenda, what's your agenda?

00:32:18.000 War?

00:32:19.000 War in Eastern Europe?

00:32:20.000 War in the Middle East?

00:32:21.000 I don't want any of that.

00:32:22.000 I don't think we should be the world police.

00:32:24.000 So when I saw what Trump was doing, I said, I like these things.

00:32:26.000 It's enough for me to vote for.

00:32:28.000 Trump tried getting our troops out of Syria.

00:32:30.000 You know what happened?

00:32:31.000 A high-ranking official lied to the American people about how many troops were in Syria to keep them there.

00:32:36.000 That's insane.

00:32:37.000 That is our commander-in-chief saying, the American people want our troops out, and I'm going to make it happen. 0.99

00:32:41.000 And they said, yeah, don't worry, Trump.

00:32:42.000 There's only 200 left.

00:32:44.000 Trump tried getting them all out, and they said, we can't do it because of the oil.

00:32:47.000 So Trump publicly comes out and says, we're going to keep 200 people in there, you know, for the oil.

00:32:53.000 And he blurts it out.

00:32:54.000 I'm like, good.

00:32:54.000 Tell people what we're doing there and why we're doing it.

00:32:57.000 You know what happens?

00:32:57.000 One of the first things, one of the first reports we get when Biden gets back in office is that U.S.

00:33:01.000 troops are moving through Syria again.

00:33:03.000 Do you think Vladimir Putin was happy about that?

00:33:05.000 But Syria is an ally of Russia and Russia has a naval base in Tartus.

00:33:10.000 So when the U.S.

00:33:10.000 is in a country that Russia's allied with, it's not surprising that Putin's going to be like, you know, fires the missiles or whatever.

00:33:17.000 So look, Donald Trump far from perfect for a lot of ways.

00:33:21.000 I believe that he represents the worst of American culture.

00:33:23.000 You know, talking privately on a bus or whatever about what, you know, women let you do it, 1.00

00:33:27.000 you know, all of these things are crude and crass.

00:33:29.000 He does not represent the office very well in terms of decorum.

00:33:33.000 But when you look at how corrupt the democratic establishment has been and are today and how

00:33:37.000 they've kicked off all of this conflict, I think Donald Trump would have been the much

00:33:42.000 better choice.

00:33:43.000 I believe that if Donald Trump was still in office, the Afghanistan withdrawal would have

00:33:47.000 gone, I wouldn't say swimmingly, but much, much better.

00:33:51.000 I don't believe those 13... It could have gone much worse.

00:33:53.000 No, it was a surrender.

00:33:55.000 He surrendered.

00:33:55.000 No, no, no.

00:33:55.000 The U.S.

00:33:56.000 surrendered.

00:33:57.000 Joe Biden's administration abandoned the Bagram Air Force Base in the middle of the night without notifying the Afghan security forces.

00:34:05.000 When the Afghani Marines were fighting for their lives, Joe Biden did nothing to assist them.

00:34:10.000 In fact, they didn't even know what Biden was doing.

00:34:12.000 Whenever I abandon an air force base, I always text.

00:34:15.000 Always, every single night.

00:34:16.000 FYI, 11pm, I'm going away.

00:34:17.000 Andrew, Andrew.

00:34:21.000 It's considered proper to do it in person.

00:34:25.000 I tend to ghost.

00:34:27.000 I know you're not supposed to.

00:34:29.000 I'm like, I don't really like Canada anymore.

00:34:32.000 It'll figure it out.

00:34:33.000 Take a look at Keystone Pipeline getting shut down.

00:34:36.000 May I add a little bit to your Russian timeline here?

00:34:42.000 First of all, to key off of something you're bringing up, something that I'm very much bothered by in American discourse right now is the phrase Putin-apologist.

00:34:49.000 Now, I don't like Putin, and if you do like Putin, you're a Putin-apologist, and you're wrong, and you deserve a program. 0.99

00:34:53.000 Putin's a scumbag. 1.00

00:34:54.000 Yes, very much so. 0.99

00:34:55.000 But if you're just saying, like, I don't think it's a good idea for NATO to indefinitely expand, and because Putin would agree with you, you're a Putin-apologist.

00:35:04.000 Like, if you were opposed to going into Iraq, Are you a Saddam apologist?

00:35:08.000 Like, I think in retrospect, we're like, that was a really bad idea.

00:35:11.000 But I think a lot of the same voices that are kind of this neocon muscular liberalism are going, well, if you're saying anything other than my militant proposals, you are a Putin apologist.

00:35:19.000 And it's like, no, there's more than two options.

00:35:21.000 And one of them is like, it might be an imprudent idea.

00:35:26.000 So I look at Russia, and I see this more from a realist perspective, which is that there are great powers.

00:35:34.000 We're concerned about the interplay of powers, the power dynamics.

00:35:37.000 Russia views Ukraine almost like we view Canada, if all of our historic enemies had marched through Canada to try to murder us over 300 years. 0.95

00:35:45.000 And they were very upfront that, like, we will view any annexation of Ukraine into NATO as an existential threat.

00:35:52.000 Very similar to how we would feel if Canada joined Russia in an alliance.

00:35:57.000 We would have the same mindset here.

00:35:59.000 By the way, all of these are amoral statements.

00:36:01.000 I'm not saying Russia's good. 0.98

00:36:02.000 I'm just saying this is how they're interpreting it outside of this.

00:36:06.000 2008, George W. Bush, during the Bucharest summit, goes, yeah, we're going to bring in Ukraine and NATO.

00:36:12.000 Like, we're just going to do it.

00:36:13.000 We don't know when, but we are bringing Ukraine into NATO.

00:36:16.000 Putin freaks out.

00:36:17.000 What does he do?

00:36:18.000 Later that year, two months later, he invades Georgia, the other country that was mentioned in that.

00:36:21.000 Bush says, we're going to bring in Georgia and Ukraine.

00:36:24.000 He brings in Georgia. 0.93

00:36:26.000 Starts agitating things.

00:36:31.000 When Biden was vice president, we start beginning this process of trying to pivot Ukraine to the American sphere.

00:36:37.000 In 2014, their pro-Russian president is ousted.

00:36:40.000 A new guy comes in that's pro-America.

00:36:43.000 A day later, Russia begins taking Crimea.

00:36:48.000 Where they have a naval base.

00:36:49.000 Where they already had a naval base.

00:36:50.000 There was no strategic reason to do that.

00:36:51.000 I mean, that was because they were freaking out about all of this.

00:36:54.000 Well, no, there's a strategic reason to take Crimea.

00:36:56.000 They have a naval base there.

00:36:57.000 It's their only warm water port.

00:36:58.000 Right, right.

00:36:59.000 Let me rephrase this.

00:37:00.000 They already have the military stuff there that they need, so if it's additional moves that they're doing, it's because they are concerned about how the country's pivoting, and they're afraid it might go in a different direction.

00:37:11.000 And then you have in 2021 now that Biden's... So Trump did agitate Russia at one point because he authorized arms sales to Ukraine.

00:37:19.000 And he fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria.

00:37:21.000 Yeah.

00:37:22.000 Hitting an airport.

00:37:23.000 So he's not like completely isolationist in that regard.

00:37:26.000 Once Biden gets into office, we have Anthony Blinken as the Secretary of State.

00:37:29.000 We also signed a U.S.-Ukrainian cooperation agreement, which is further attempting to bring Ukraine into our orbit.

00:37:38.000 And then we sealed the deal, I think it was in November of last year, by doing joint naval exercises with Ukraine and the Black Sea, which would again be like if Canada did naval exercises with Russia and Lake Superior.

00:37:50.000 At that point, I think that's where the camels, the straws broke the camels back.

00:37:54.000 Well, there's a lot more to this.

00:37:57.000 I think one of the reasons Vladimir Putin didn't invade Ukraine, one of them, is that Donald Trump stumbled upon the corruption of Joe Biden in Ukraine when he did that phone call, and the perfect phone call, they say, or he says, when he said, look, you know, I saw this video about Joe Biden bragging about withholding aid or whatever.

00:38:15.000 If you could look into that, what was that all about?

00:38:17.000 And I don't think Donald Trump really knew what that was all about.

00:38:20.000 Just something he saw on the internet.

00:38:22.000 But they impeached him for it.

00:38:23.000 Why?

00:38:24.000 Well, as it turns out, the laptop story was all true.

00:38:26.000 Joe Biden was involved with illicit dealings with his son through Ukraine.

00:38:30.000 We've got Burisma, which is paying Joe Biden's son $83,000 a month, or arguably more depending on which source you're using.

00:38:38.000 And then there's the story about 10% for the big guy.

00:38:41.000 I think when you look at, Politico reported this.

00:38:43.000 I don't know the 10% for the big guy.

00:38:45.000 Is that a Biden reference?

00:38:46.000 There was an email that came out where it was, you know, like Devin Archer and Hunter Biden, his associates.

00:38:53.000 I want to be careful here because I don't have the specifics pulled up, but it was Hunter Biden and his associates talking about how they're going to be splitting up one of their business dealings.

00:38:59.000 And they said, and I'll take an extra 10% for the big guy or something to that effect.

00:39:03.000 And everyone believes that's Joe Biden because, you know, it's Joe Biden's the guy who controlled all the influence.

00:39:09.000 We know that Joe and Hunter Biden shared bank accounts.

00:39:11.000 Trump?

00:39:11.000 And so right away, it's...

00:39:14.000 You know, and then there's a text message from Hunter where he's talking...

00:39:16.000 Wait, hold on, actually I want to back up on that, really.

00:39:17.000 Because like, I look at the situation, I'm going to be honest with you,

00:39:20.000 I have more of a mainstream approach to this, so this is new information to me and I'm intrigued by this.

00:39:24.000 I looked at that and I went, it appears that the President of the United States is extorting

00:39:27.000 an ally or at least a cooperative power...

00:39:30.000 Trump?

00:39:30.000 Yes.

00:39:31.000 How is he extorting them?

00:39:32.000 By withholding defense money in order to try and get them to target a political...

00:39:35.000 But that's literally what Trump was investigating Biden doing.

00:39:38.000 Joe Biden is on video saying, I want you to fire this prosecutor, otherwise you're not getting a billion dollars.

00:39:45.000 And they said, this is Joe Biden's quote, he goes, they said, you can't do that, you're not the president, he goes, call him.

00:39:50.000 Call him.

00:39:51.000 You got six hours.

00:39:53.000 If the prosecutor's not fired, in six hours, you don't get the billion dollars. 1.00

00:39:56.000 Well, son of a bitch. 1.00

00:39:58.000 He got fired. 1.00

00:39:59.000 Now you want to know, sorry, I've got to finish this.

00:40:01.000 You want to know why Joe Biden got the prosecutor fired?

00:40:04.000 The prosecutor, Victor Shokin, currently had at minimum 12 investigations into Burisma's founder, Mykola Zlochevsky.

00:40:11.000 This is reporting from Matt Taibbi.

00:40:14.000 And Shokin signed a sworn affidavit saying he was fired because Joe Biden was interfering in internal affairs in the country.

00:40:22.000 And the president went to him and says, he's forcing us to fire you.

00:40:25.000 Mykola Zachevsky is deeply corrupted, frozen his assets before, he had fled the country before,

00:40:30.000 but as soon as this new prosecutor gets in under Joe, thanks to Joe Biden, dude comes on back.

00:40:35.000 Dude founds a company where Joe's son works. At the very least, you can say,

00:40:40.000 Joe just didn't know that his son worked for the company.

00:40:43.000 Joe says, I never talked to my son about his business dealings. Then

00:40:46.000 thanks to the laptop, we learn, that's not true. Joe Biden shared a bank account with his

00:40:50.000 son while his son was...

00:40:50.000 You see, the bank account bits, the part that's new to me, that I think is interesting,

00:40:53.000 because you could make an argument here. Let's theoretically, let's say that Hunter Biden is

00:40:59.000 getting money because he can just soak the cash up and they're basically trying to bribe Biden

00:41:04.000 by giving money to his son. Well, you could be an impeachable person and have somebody try to

00:41:08.000 bribe you by giving money to your son, but if they're sharing bank accounts, that means that

00:41:11.000 that firewall's gone.

00:41:13.000 Joe Biden could become embroiled in the FBI's probe into Hunter's finances.

00:41:16.000 Experts say emails reveal they shared bank accounts, paid each other's bills, and the president may have even funded his son's 2018 drug and prostitution binge.

00:41:26.000 Now, if Hunter Biden is getting money, working for an energy company which has no business, And he's sharing a bank account with his dad and a prosecutor is investigating that company.

00:41:37.000 And then his dad comes in and says, fire him or I'm going to withhold U.S.

00:41:42.000 allotted funding. 0.98

00:41:43.000 That is so beyond criminal and corrupt.

00:41:46.000 I am shocked that when Donald Trump catches this on accident and has no idea what it is and says, what's going on here?

00:41:52.000 They impeached him for it.

00:41:54.000 These people are deeply, deeply evil. 0.74

00:41:56.000 Look at this. 0.99

00:41:57.000 I mean, come on, man.

00:41:59.000 To quote Joe Biden, how about that?

00:42:00.000 Come on, man.

00:42:01.000 Come on, man.

00:42:01.000 Joe Biden is in photos with Hunter and Hunter's associates.

00:42:07.000 And he lied and said, I didn't talk to my son about this stuff.

00:42:10.000 No, I'll tell you what it is.

00:42:11.000 Politico reported this a while back.

00:42:12.000 It's called Biden Inc., that the Biden family fortunes track alongside his political career.

00:42:17.000 When Joe Biden was put in charge of Iraq under Obama, all of a sudden his brother's getting these lucrative contracts for construction in the country.

00:42:23.000 Now you have Hunter Biden working at a company in which everyone knows he has no business working at, no expertise, doesn't speak the language, sharing bank accounts.

00:42:32.000 Joe Biden comes in, gets the prosecutor who's investigating the founder, gets him fired, threatening to withhold funds from the US government he has no right to do, beyond abuse of power.

00:42:42.000 And then what do they do?

00:42:43.000 The media comes out and lies.

00:42:46.000 They get Trump impeached for it.

00:42:47.000 And now here we are with many people in this country still believing Trump was the one who was wrong for trying to get rid of that corruption.

00:42:53.000 Now, truth be told, I don't think Trump is a great detective who was like, I must do what's right and save this country over this. 0.99

00:42:59.000 No, I think Trump saw a meme video, a meme that went viral of Joe Biden saying, son of a bitch, guy got fired. 0.99

00:43:05.000 And Trump's on the phone. 0.99

00:43:06.000 He's like, what was that video about?

00:43:08.000 If you look at the transcript, it's very much Trump bumbling into something.

00:43:12.000 You have to ask yourself, why are so many high-ranking Democrat family members involved in Ukraine's energy companies?

00:43:18.000 I think it's because the U.S.

00:43:20.000 policy on Ukraine was that we were, it's not just Ukraine, it's Syria, it's the Middle East, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline was, we are going to destroy Russia's ability to control natural gas into Europe because gas is too expensive and we're going to do it by any means necessary.

00:43:33.000 In 2009, It was reported by The Guardian, I believe in 2012, that in 2009, the U.S.

00:43:37.000 government had stated, we wanted to invade Syria because Bashar al-Assad was blocking our allies from building a pipeline through Syria and Turkey, specifically because Syria said, we are allies with Russia and we won't allow it.

00:43:49.000 Then, we ended up with our adversaries, I think it was Iran, saying they could tap the same gas field and run it through Iraq and into Europe and strengthen Russia's gas monopoly. 0.87

00:44:00.000 So the U.S.

00:44:01.000 has to do a few things.

00:44:02.000 They need to control Gazprom, which runs through Ukraine, and they need an alternative source of fuel.

00:44:06.000 Surprise, surprise, Syria falls in a civil war.

00:44:08.000 The U.S.

00:44:08.000 starts funding the jihadis.

00:44:10.000 Russia's pissed.

00:44:11.000 Then we start getting these pro-Western protests.

00:44:15.000 Now, there's a lot of people saying it was a CIA-backed coup.

00:44:17.000 I'm not going that far.

00:44:18.000 I'm saying the West, of course, is playing their influence game.

00:44:21.000 The West doesn't want to pay these prices for gas.

00:44:24.000 Russia doesn't want them to screw around with war and destroying their allies to undercut their energy business.

00:44:31.000 But more importantly, if the U.S.

00:44:33.000 policy on Ukraine was to gain control to reduce the cost of energy for our European allies, it appears that Joe Biden and many other high-profile individuals saw that and said, it's time to wet our beaks a little on this one.

00:44:44.000 Get our family members in there so we can cut a profit while it's all going down.

00:44:48.000 What is fascinating about this, and what I'm very much enjoying about this, in addition to learning a lot, is right now most of the debate happening in foreign policy circles in the United States is between realists, which is what I was talking about earlier, power, billiard balls, Otto von Bismarck, that kind of thing, realists, right?

00:45:05.000 And liberals, which in an IR context, don't think American liberals, think institution builders, NATO, European Union, WTO, right?

00:45:13.000 Those are the two big fights right now.

00:45:15.000 One of the other schools of foreign policy that's not a big part of the American experience at the moment.

00:45:20.000 And don't freak out when I use this word, but it's Marxist.

00:45:22.000 So Marxist IR theory is that it's not about power, it's not about institutions, it's about money.

00:45:28.000 That you can look at international relations and you can understand them by looking at the ruling class of a country enriching itself.

00:45:35.000 And this is fascinating, Tim, because, and I'm not trying to throw any socialist aspersions at you, I'm just saying, like, your heuristic window is more economically motivated, so you've got a very different interpretation of this than most of the other news I've been consuming lately, and I find it very interesting.

00:45:47.000 Well, I mean, I absolutely look at the ideological backing of a lot of this, too.

00:45:52.000 Vladimir Putin very much wants to restore the might of the former Soviet empire.

00:45:56.000 He wants the Russian empire back. 0.81

00:45:58.000 He wants that trade union.

00:45:59.000 So very much he's looking at countries like Kazakhstan, for instance, and he's saying, how can I build up my own bloc to compete with NATO?

00:46:06.000 But ultimately, I think a lot of people have a simplistic view on things.

00:46:12.000 I talk to my friends and I ask them, do you think Vladimir Putin is intentionally trying to kill civilians?

00:46:16.000 They'll say yes.

00:46:17.000 And I ask them, why do you think that is?

00:46:20.000 Typically people will say, it's because he's a bad guy.

00:46:22.000 He wants to show the world how powerful and scary he is.

00:46:24.000 He's evil.

00:46:25.000 And I'm like, isn't that a little naive? 0.99

00:46:27.000 You know, I certainly think Vladimir Putin is killing civilians.

00:46:29.000 There's videos of it. 0.98

00:46:30.000 And it's ridiculous to think that he's not. 0.97

00:46:34.000 But I don't think Vladimir Putin gets up and says, I'm going to kill civilians today. 0.57

00:46:38.000 I think he's like, this is a very strategic target for us in Kiev, where Ukrainian forces are using.

00:46:43.000 It is a civilian target.

00:46:45.000 I think it's more nuanced. 0.91

00:46:45.000 Hit it anyway. 0.91

00:46:47.000 It's things like that.

00:46:48.000 I think anytime you hear people going, he's mad, that's lazy, right?

00:46:53.000 Like, it's possible, but very unlikely.

00:46:55.000 Generally speaking, when somebody who's previously made rational, if immoral, unethical decisions, which they're not the same thing, you can be rational and unethical, a la Darth Vader, when somebody has a track record of doing that, you're like, I don't understand what he's doing, he's probably crazy.

00:47:08.000 That means that your heuristics are probably off, and you need to reassess what their motivations are.

00:47:13.000 It's a complicated world we live in.

00:47:16.000 It's not just oil.

00:47:18.000 Yeah, you don't think geopolitics is just black hats versus white hats all the time?

00:47:21.000 All the way down?

00:47:22.000 You think it's more nuanced than that?

00:47:23.000 government can do no wrong.

00:47:23.000 The U.S.

00:47:25.000 They've never lied to us.

00:47:26.000 The mainstream media is honest all the time.

00:47:27.000 A great example of that, Tim, is the fact that we only make allies based on liberal democracy.

00:47:31.000 That's why we're such good friends with Saudi Arabia.

00:47:33.000 You know, that Republican-Democratic government with a Hayekian open market and individual rights?

00:47:37.000 And we're very anti-fascist, which is of course why we're absolutely opposed to the Nazis and the Azov battalion. 0.66

00:47:42.000 Yeah, and mercenaries.

00:47:44.000 Like, we wouldn't hire, like, Blackwater to do a bunch of dirty work in the Middle East or anything.

00:47:48.000 Here's what I tell people.

00:47:50.000 I certainly think that for the elites in this country, they view cultural issues as somewhat secondary.

00:47:56.000 Like, I don't think Nancy Pelosi knows or cares all that much about what Gen Z thinks culturally. 0.63

00:48:01.000 I think a lot of it is, how can you control systems?

00:48:05.000 But, you know, I think, you know, what I tell people is, when it came to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, I would tell my friends, do you like it that you can work in New York at a media company where you write articles about Brad Pitt's junk and get paid $65,000 a year?

00:48:25.000 Are you happy with the amount of money you make in the job you have?

00:48:28.000 And they typically are like, well, you know, I probably should make more and so I'm like,

00:48:31.000 OK, would you prefer it if you had to, I don't know, shovel coal for $5 an hour?

00:48:37.000 Would that be a better life for you?

00:48:38.000 And they're like, what?

00:48:39.000 No, of course not.

00:48:40.000 I say, OK, let me explain to you why you get to work in New York City, why you get paid 0.93

00:48:45.000 $65,000 a year to write articles once a week about Brad Pitt's junk. 0.86

00:48:49.000 Doesn't that seem a little wrong to you?

00:48:51.000 Like something's wrong with this system where you basically do nothing of value but you're making, what is that, seven or eight times what people in Mexico or Brazil make?

00:49:01.000 Is that strange?

00:49:02.000 Yeah, it's because of the petrodollar.

00:49:03.000 It's because of the war machine.

00:49:06.000 It's because the United States, its special interest groups are willing to destroy countries to get cheap fuel and cheap energy.

00:49:13.000 And the petrodollar helps us very much so in that We don't need to rely on exports for a strong currency.

00:49:19.000 We just point guns at people and say, you better use ours.

00:49:22.000 Again, this is interesting, because this is Marxist IR theory.

00:49:25.000 Like Marxist IR theory, there's a subset of it called world systems theory.

00:49:28.000 And the idea in world systems theory is that there's an industrialized core of capitalist countries, there's a semi-periphery of cheap labor, and there's a periphery of subsistence-level resource extraction.

00:49:39.000 And if you're going with world systems theory, then, like, you look at Vietnam, and you're like, well, Vietnam was about annexing or maintaining Vietnam as part of the American economic supply chain.

00:49:48.000 It didn't have to do with containment theory, right?

00:49:50.000 And, like, how you're interpreting this would fall in line with that.

00:49:53.000 Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not surprised.

00:49:54.000 I mean, there's a reason why I went down to Occupy Wall Street and was interested in it.

00:49:58.000 I think class-based issues are substantially more important than race or identity-based issues.

00:50:04.000 One of the problems we have right now in the country is that the left has adopted critical race theory, which it pits people, regular people against each other, poor people against each other.

00:50:18.000 You end up with people like Serena Williams, who is one of the wealthiest people on the planet, most famous and most celebrated.

00:50:26.000 And she's a victim and she's oppressed. 0.77

00:50:28.000 And you'll get a homeless white veteran who is an oppressor.

00:50:31.000 Now, that system clearly does not make sense. 0.98

00:50:33.000 Class issues matter substantially more than these ridiculous ideas about privilege.

00:50:41.000 Now, I certainly think racism exists.

00:50:43.000 I think the problem with the left is they see things too much at the surface level.

00:50:49.000 White privilege is not what it is.

00:50:50.000 It's majority privilege.

00:50:52.000 In any country in which you're the majority, you're going to have some benefits because people think, look, and act like you more so than other people, immigrants or strangers.

00:50:59.000 But they just say it's white privilege, which is extremely reductive when you have someone who's white from South Africa or a white person from Ukraine.

00:51:07.000 Luke Rutkowski, who was on the show every so often, he's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Polish guy, but according to the critical race theorists, he's a person of color.

00:51:17.000 Absolutely.

00:51:18.000 The Coalition of Communities of Color say that Slavic people are people of color, even if they're white with blonde hair and blue eyes.

00:51:24.000 No joke.

00:51:25.000 I'm English Scottish Clydesdale.

00:51:27.000 I think the 23andMe test was off.

00:51:29.000 Oh, then you're white. 0.95

00:51:31.000 I'm straight up.

00:51:32.000 I'm just a jar of mayonnaise.

00:51:33.000 I feel like you can reverse engineer critical race theory to look at it as critical theory to see the class structure ripped away because what happened is when slavery ended in the United States, a bunch of people were just descendants of slaves and slaves were dumped onto the streets with no education, no money.

00:51:48.000 So their kids had no education, no money, most of them.

00:51:50.000 Then their kids tend to have low or little education and money.

00:51:54.000 And so we're looking at like the seventh generation now.

00:51:56.000 A lot of those families, irrelevant of the skin color, they just happened to, in this iteration of slavery, come from that area of the world.

00:52:02.000 Redlining go on as well.

00:52:03.000 So which would be the best way to accumulate multi-generational wealth is home ownership.

00:52:07.000 And that was basically precluded up until 30 years ago, 40 years ago.

00:52:10.000 And you could argue there is systemic racism in this, but it is a class system.

00:52:15.000 Yes, but the economic fallout is the main factor.

00:52:17.000 I'll also add this to introduce more complexity to what we're talking about here.

00:52:21.000 It wasn't necessarily just a straight line of this group of people not gaining wealth through the generations.

00:52:27.000 It's actually the case that prior to the 1960s there were fewer black out-of-wedlock births than there are today by a significant margin.

00:52:36.000 And we know one of the best ways to prevent poverty is to ensure that you're married before you have children.

00:52:40.000 And so There are things that were done to the black community.

00:52:43.000 Some say the war on drugs, some say the war on poverty.

00:52:46.000 The Brookings Institute has actually said legal abortion is a big part of it, but there are policies that came much later.

00:52:52.000 I think systemic racism absolutely exists, but there's an issue of how the left interprets it, what they think it means, and how far and extreme they go with it.

00:53:05.000 I'll give you an example.

00:53:06.000 You'll talk to one of these critical race theorists about systemic racism, and they'll tell you today You know, that all police are racist or whatever, and I'm like, okay, you gotta stop, you gotta stop, right?

00:53:16.000 The average person is substantially less racist, leaning towards not even racist for the most part these days.

00:53:22.000 That's the average person.

00:53:24.000 But they'll tell you the whole system's racist.

00:53:27.000 The way I explain it to people is that in Chicago, easiest example, we had two big problems, blockbusting and redlining. 1.00

00:53:33.000 Have you ever heard of these?

00:53:34.000 Redlining of course is very famous. 0.99

00:53:36.000 It's where you have the redline trains.

00:53:38.000 The real estate companies would isolate certain areas where they would only sell to black people and they wouldn't sell outside, creating these segregated areas.

00:53:45.000 Blockbusting is one of the dirtiest and most evil things I've ever heard about.

00:53:50.000 It's where these companies would go to a white neighborhood Buy a house, move a black family in, and then go door to door to all the houses and say, there goes the neighborhood. 0.88

00:53:59.000 You better sell to us before it's too late.

00:54:02.000 The people would panic sell at a premium to these companies who would then kick the black family out and sell the whole neighborhood back to white people for a profit. 0.99

00:54:10.000 That was made illegal.

00:54:11.000 Redlining was made illegal.

00:54:12.000 But only in the 80s.

00:54:14.000 That means there are people my age today who are just now, the first generation, getting out of overtly, nowadays, illegal systems that caused damage to people based on their race.

00:54:26.000 So what I could say is, yes, obviously today, remnants of that racism still exist in the system.

00:54:32.000 Are individuals racist?

00:54:34.000 Some still are, but for the most part, we've done a lot to change that.

00:54:37.000 The solution, however, is not to go to a poor white person and say, you will not be granted access to this.

00:54:44.000 We will take money from you.

00:54:45.000 That makes no sense.

00:54:47.000 Now that we've changed the laws, the solution is class-based.

00:54:50.000 Because if the left believes that the black community is disproportionately impoverished, I have an ex-girlfriend who, uh, when we were dating, her father lived, um, I won't say where it is, it's not out her, but her father, if she wanted to call him, she couldn't because he didn't own a phone.

00:55:15.000 She was white, by the way, so it was her father.

00:55:17.000 But like, if she wanted to get in contact with her dad, she had to call her neighbor and have her neighbor walk over to get her dad, because her dad was that poor.

00:55:22.000 And I think that's a good example of like, I don't really feel like saying he had massive privilege really counts.

00:55:27.000 Like, that guy that couldn't afford a phone, I feel like is economically underprivileged.

00:55:32.000 And I'll give you another example of systemic racism at work in government that's still there.

00:55:37.000 When you look at almost all zoning laws, I am most familiar with Los Angeles.

00:55:42.000 To plug it, I wrote a book called Los Angeles is Hideous, Poems about an Ugly City.

00:55:45.000 So if you don't like LA and you like funny stuff, it's a funny book.

00:55:48.000 I'll get you a copy, Tim.

00:55:49.000 That sounds good.

00:55:50.000 It's a fun book.

00:55:50.000 I don't like LA.

00:55:51.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:55:52.000 It's just an asphalt carbuncle.

00:55:55.000 But in the process of researching these poems that I wrote about Los Angeles, the reason that Los Angeles is the massive sprawling city that it is, is not, it is accidental, but it's not unavoidable.

00:56:05.000 The reason that it's so sprawling is that Los Angeles during the, I guess it'd be the 40s and 50s, Basically, like many cities in America, but I'm most familiar that way, went, oh no, black people are moving in. 1.00

00:56:18.000 We should basically outlaw apartment buildings because it was racist.

00:56:22.000 It was overtly racist at the time.

00:56:24.000 And the thinking was, well, if we make people live in homes and houses, white people can afford houses more than black people can. 0.98

00:56:30.000 So already there's going to be an advantage there.

00:56:31.000 but the way law is set up in California is that houses in certain neighborhoods have

00:56:36.000 what are called neighborhood covenants where you own the property but if you have to sell

00:56:39.000 it the neighborhood itself has to write off on that.

00:56:42.000 They have to sign off on that, meaning that you have to be a morally upstanding person

00:56:45.000 of Irish skin color, right?

00:56:46.000 And so that was intentional.

00:56:47.000 So you look at like Los Angeles today, 80% of the real estate in Los Angeles now, you

00:56:52.000 can't have more than one family living in a place.

00:56:54.000 You have to have a house.

00:56:56.000 Even though it's like what, the second biggest city in America, you can't build up legally.

00:57:00.000 You can't build up.

00:57:01.000 to build out so it's pancaking.

00:57:02.000 Do you know the story of St.

00:57:04.000 Louis?

00:57:05.000 So St.

00:57:06.000 Louis isn't actually one city.

00:57:08.000 I think it's 99 plus smaller jurisdictions all cluttered together.

00:57:13.000 St.

00:57:13.000 Louis is a city, don't get me wrong, but the greater St.

00:57:16.000 Louis area that people refer to is actually a collection of a whole bunch of small cities.

00:57:21.000 And so what happened here was A long, long time ago, in St.

00:57:25.000 Louis, we ended up with, for a variety of reasons, desegregation comes into play, and there were many white people, and you gotta understand that back in the late 50s and 60s, this country was what, like 92 or whatever percent white?

00:57:38.000 So you have these white communities, overtly white, start seeing black families moving into certain areas, and so they decide to start leaving.

00:57:46.000 What they did was they moved outside of the city and created their own communities with covenants like, you're only allowed to have 10 houses in this city, can't build anymore to make sure no one else could move in.

00:57:58.000 Long story short, by today, we have 90 plus jurisdictions, each with their own police department.

00:58:04.000 What ends up happening is that many of these areas that are impoverished, and there is a tie between the black community and historical poverty for a variety of reasons like blockbusting and redlining, and we know that homeownership is one of the ways that people transfer wealth, I mean, what we would call systemic racism, right? 0.80

00:58:29.000 Like, it's a great example of, like, those of us with more, like, libertarian inclinations can go, great, I don't like regulations, and this is a great example of regulations being racist that we can kind of unite out and root them out.

00:58:40.000 So what ends up happening is, for racial reasons, we end up with all these jurisdictions.

00:58:45.000 Today, so I went down, I was in Ferguson during the Michael Brown riots, and I worked on a documentary, I produced a documentary about what was going on.

00:58:52.000 There's something they have called Going On Tour.

00:58:54.000 So what happens is, you are in one of these neighborhoods that is predominantly black.

00:58:59.000 You're lower income, for a variety of reasons.

00:59:02.000 You have a vehicle and your plate is expired.

00:59:05.000 That's 20 bucks to get your plate re-registered.

00:59:09.000 But you're poor.

00:59:10.000 You've got debt, you've got credit cards, so you decide, do I eat, do I pay gas, or do I get my plate fixed?

00:59:15.000 You say, well look, I gotta eat, I gotta pay my rent, I can hope I don't get pulled over for my plate.

00:59:21.000 You drive from... In order to go to work, you're likely going to drive through two or three different cities, because there are these small jurisdictions.

00:59:28.000 We saw this with a ton of people.

00:59:30.000 They would leave their neighborhood, and while they're driving, they get pulled over, and the cop says, your plate's expired, here's your ticket, have a nice day.

00:59:37.000 They start driving again, they get pulled over ten minutes later, plates expire in a different jurisdiction, and it keeps happening.

00:59:44.000 Then, finally, when they're like, I couldn't pay the twenty bucks, I can't pay the hundred, what happens is they'll get arrested.

00:59:50.000 And it'll be like a two-day thing.

00:59:51.000 You couldn't pay the fine, it's two days in jail.

00:59:53.000 What happens when they get out of jail?

00:59:55.000 The police from the next jurisdiction are waiting for them to take them to the next jail.

00:59:58.000 And they might have lost their job during that time, too.

01:00:00.000 And they usually did.

01:00:01.000 Now, a lot of people say, well, they shouldn't be driving with expired plates.

01:00:05.000 Perhaps that's true.

01:00:06.000 For a lot of these people, it's like, yo, I have to drive to get to work, I live in the suburbs.

01:00:10.000 But another issue we saw was people who would get tickets for their headlight going out.

01:00:15.000 And so, you're a dude, you're driving, you don't even know your headlight's out, you get pulled over.

01:00:18.000 This is one of the stories we heard.

01:00:19.000 And the guy's like, so I say, okay, I'll go home.

01:00:22.000 I gotta drive through two or three more cities where I get pulled over and end up with four tickets.

01:00:26.000 All for this.

01:00:27.000 To the people that say they shouldn't be driving with expired plates, why do we have those?

01:00:31.000 Having a serial number on your car that identifies you own it makes sense to me.

01:00:35.000 You should have that, right?

01:00:36.000 But the little tags?

01:00:38.000 That's just a regressive tax.

01:00:39.000 That's all that is.

01:00:40.000 It doesn't do anything.

01:00:42.000 The reason we do that is because poor people are the easiest group of taxpayers to militate against.

01:00:47.000 Try doing a tax on yoga and see what happens to you.

01:00:50.000 You're not going to get a bunch of upper middle class white people to let you do that.

01:00:53.000 It's like with cigarette taxes.

01:00:53.000 Here's what I see.

01:00:55.000 With a lot of these people, because of past racism, we see a disproportionate amount of people who are impacted by a lot of these policies being black.

01:01:05.000 The left today, even though we've already passed laws outlawing all this stuff, and we have court precedent outlawing it, they look at white people and they turn it into a racism issue they can't let go.

01:01:16.000 I certainly understand there were racist white people who made racist laws, right?

01:01:21.000 The challenge now is, if we're going to do away with racism, we can't have other people being racist.

01:01:28.000 More racism doesn't stop racism, it's just making more racism.

01:01:31.000 That's why I keep telling people the solution to these problems is class-based. 0.53

01:01:35.000 Meaning, if your income level is at a certain rate, then we provide you with certain relief.

01:01:39.000 Because like I said, if they genuinely believe that systemic racism disproportionately impoverished black communities, then a class-based solution disproportionately benefits black communities without leaving behind And you can have laws which are colorblind, which I think is a lot of the reason we have so much animus going on in the country right now.

01:01:56.000 To our great credit, most Americans aren't racist.

01:01:59.000 Most Americans actually really abhor the concept of racism.

01:02:03.000 And a lot of the fight we're having right now is that we have dueling definitions of racism.

01:02:07.000 So I would say, and I think you guys are probably on board with this, that attributing rights, privileges, or guilt to someone based on skin color is inherently racist.

01:02:16.000 So I don't want to do that, right?

01:02:18.000 But a lot of people would disagree with this.

01:02:19.000 They would take more of the equity approach.

01:02:21.000 So like we're talking kind of about... Which is racist.

01:02:23.000 Yeah, which is racist.

01:02:24.000 So we're going for like equality of opportunity and we can acknowledge that not everybody has the same starting position and we need to be trying to rectify that.

01:02:30.000 But see, that's a trick.

01:02:34.000 When these culty leftists ideologues come out and say that, you know, I think, you know, we have to solve this problem of racism with equity, they don't really care about the issues of racism.

01:02:47.000 They just know that people in America don't like racism and they found a way to exploit something that is morally repugnant.

01:02:54.000 What they offer them is, I'm going to call you anti-racist.

01:02:58.000 Will you support that?

01:02:59.000 And the average person says, yes.

01:03:01.000 Then they say, okay, be a racist and support segregation. 0.93

01:03:04.000 And these weak-willed people agree to it.

01:03:06.000 They agree to, we've got, in Dearborn, Michigan, we had the non-POC and the POC segregated digital cafes.

01:03:13.000 Up in Wisconsin, we have the non-POC, POC equity trainings.

01:03:18.000 In California, they actually tried to repeal their civil rights Yeah, right.

01:03:25.000 And California, to its credit, went, wait a minute, you, like, just to be clear on this, the government's asking us if we want to authorize giving rights and privileges based on skin color?

01:03:34.000 Like, literally, that's what the government was doing.

01:03:36.000 That should be like a red flag nationally.

01:03:37.000 But they literally said, we would like to discriminate on the basis of race, and the Californian people were like, yeah, no, we're not going to allow that.

01:03:44.000 But it was close!

01:03:46.000 So when they come out and they say, we oppose racism, they're lying.

01:03:49.000 That's not true.

01:03:50.000 They overtly support it.

01:03:51.000 Or the ability to disconnect anything.

01:03:54.000 Like, I don't like this thing, so I'm going to declare it's racist.

01:03:58.000 I don't do that.

01:03:59.000 I'll give you an example.

01:04:00.000 I think minimum wage is counterproductive.

01:04:02.000 What I mean by that is, I would love for everybody to be making more money.

01:04:05.000 I'm very much against poverty.

01:04:07.000 I think minimum wage What you're really doing is you're just outlawing labor below a certain threshold.

01:04:11.000 Which means if you're not on the second rung of the ladder, we kick out the bottom rung of the ladder and we go, we fixed it.

01:04:17.000 I don't think that works, right? 0.91

01:04:18.000 Now I could go, you know the first folks in America that were proponents of minimum wage were overt white supremacist racists. 0.95

01:04:24.000 And they literally said, we don't want to have white people having to compete with black people. 0.93

01:04:30.000 Black people can always work for less because they have such low standards of living, so we've got to protect the white people. 1.00

01:04:34.000 That was racist, right? 0.97

01:04:36.000 But today, if you're in favor of minimum wage, I think you were mistaken. 0.97

01:04:38.000 I don't think you're doing it because you're a secret white supremacist. 0.56

01:04:41.000 All gun control is racist. 0.89

01:04:43.000 Shout out to Maj Touré, Black Guns Matter. 1.00

01:04:46.000 He makes a lot of really great points about that, and a lot of people really do need to understand this.

01:04:49.000 You ever see Adam Ruins Everything?

01:04:52.000 He had a really great segment, and I think he gets a lot wrong, but he talks about how Actually, yeah.

01:04:59.000 Gun control, modern gun control, was racist.

01:05:01.000 Basically, the white folks were afraid of the black folks getting guns. 0.90

01:05:04.000 The Black Panthers.

01:05:05.000 They didn't like the idea, and I think it was Reagan, it was California, and they were like, we should have gun control.

01:05:10.000 And it's funny, because I get these lefties, these leftists, overt leftists, who are like, Tim Pool talks about... You know, someone tweeted at me, because I said something like, more guns for everyone, and someone replied, and they were like, yeah, but as soon as the Black Panthers have guns, you start complaining, and I responded with, I want the Black Panthers to have all the guns. 0.91

01:05:26.000 Tell them to come by.

01:05:27.000 Yeah, come by.

01:05:28.000 Yo, I was like, I hope they get all the guns in the world, and then the leftists responded, based.

01:05:33.000 What does based mean?

01:05:34.000 I've seen this recently.

01:05:34.000 Like on point, like correct, you know, savvy.

01:05:39.000 You're 36, I'm 38.

01:05:41.000 Where you at?

01:05:43.000 The relationship between us right now, like if we were at a mall, people would think you're my nephew explaining TikTok to me.

01:05:48.000 It's all that college in your reading.

01:05:49.000 N.F.A.C.?

01:05:50.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:05:51.000 Biotrust, thank you very much.

01:05:52.000 You know what I would love to see?

01:05:53.000 I would love to see...

01:05:54.000 You know we had that...

01:05:55.000 What was that coalition in Georgia?

01:05:58.000 With all...

01:05:59.000 It's the black coalition? 0.56

01:06:00.000 NFAC?

01:06:01.000 NFAC?

01:06:02.000 Yes, not messing around coalition.

01:06:03.000 Yeah, not effing around coalition?

01:06:04.000 I see...

01:06:05.000 Have you seen this?

01:06:06.000 No.

01:06:07.000 Hundreds of guys marching through Georgia with guns.

01:06:09.000 Terrible trigger discipline.

01:06:10.000 Terrible...

01:06:12.000 My only issue with them is there was an accidental discharge more than once.

01:06:15.000 Come on, guys.

01:06:16.000 Other than that, I'm like... If you're gonna have a gun parade, you really can't accidentally fire the guns.

01:06:22.000 Right.

01:06:22.000 That's page two stuff.

01:06:23.000 My criticism?

01:06:24.000 These guys only had one gun each.

01:06:26.000 They should have two!

01:06:27.000 Constitutional rights.

01:06:28.000 I'm not worried about these guys hurting me.

01:06:30.000 I like that they have guns, and I think regular people having guns is a good thing.

01:06:35.000 So, you want to talk about racism?

01:06:36.000 I think gun control is overtly racist.

01:06:38.000 I'm not surprised the Democrats have been the ones pursuing it.

01:06:41.000 I think it was also a little bit weird where the country for about four years was like, guys, we are literally fascists. 0.92

01:06:47.000 We literally have a fascist president. 0.95

01:06:49.000 We need to hide our Jewish friends. 1.00

01:06:50.000 But also, We should take everybody's guns. 0.97

01:06:52.000 and give them to the fascists. I'm like wait a minute here like if you actually thought a fascist

01:06:57.000 was in control of the they're like like you know like january they're like well we'd never there'd

01:07:01.000 never be a reason to have an uprising uh nationally and i'm like didn't the president contemplate like

01:07:06.000 you know basically sending in the national guard on january 6th and things like i don't know

01:07:09.000 I'd say that's the kind of thing that maybe we would need to have guns. 0.72

01:07:09.000 I don't know. 0.72

01:07:13.000 Leftists are pro-gun.

01:07:15.000 Liberals are not.

01:07:16.000 Like, traditional liberals are not pro-gun.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, if you talk to any socialist, they're pro-pro-gun.

01:07:18.000 They're anti-gun.

01:07:21.000 Really?

01:07:22.000 Until they gain power, and then they'll probably take the guns away from you.

01:07:25.000 You should define liberal, too.

01:07:27.000 There's the American liberal, like you were saying earlier.

01:07:29.000 Traditional liberal.

01:07:29.000 Liberal economic order.

01:07:30.000 They kind of twisted the word liberal.

01:07:32.000 Yeah, the traditional liberal is different.

01:07:34.000 Can I give you my map of this?

01:07:35.000 Because I brought on Adam Gopnik from The New Yorker onto The Political Orphanage.

01:07:38.000 He's a great guy.

01:07:39.000 I really like Adam Gopnik, right?

01:07:40.000 I think you could look at, say, like You can look at the Democratic coalition and broadly speaking it is a coalition of leftists and liberals.

01:07:49.000 And the Republican coalition is a coalition of classical liberals, the libertarian, what we would call libertarian generally.

01:07:59.000 Social liberals.

01:08:01.000 Social conservatives.

01:08:02.000 And growingly populist nationalists, right?

01:08:05.000 You look at the Libertarian Party.

01:08:06.000 That is a coalition of classical liberals and anarchists.

01:08:10.000 And the interesting thing is that constitutional conservatives are intellectual cousins with liberals.

01:08:17.000 But leftists are a completely different intellectual lineage, right?

01:08:19.000 Leftists are a whole different ballpark.

01:08:21.000 Whereas, I don't know, Mike Lee and Adam Gopnik are both coming out of that Adam Smith, John Locke.

01:08:27.000 They're coming out of the Enlightenment, right?

01:08:28.000 It's like liberals are like they have that enlightenment background and the distinction between liberals, broad libertarians and conservatives tends to be are we prioritizing like egalitarian over meritocracy and are we like what are we prioritizing but they're operating that same space but yeah like leftists are a completely different ballpark.

01:08:45.000 Is that the liberal economic order like 1946 they start this that's the that's the leftist?

01:08:51.000 No, no, I would say like leftists like because like liberals and I'm again I'm using this like making I'm getting real granular here right like liberals as opposed to leftists are believe in a market economy and rule of law right like like they are like they're they're coming at their capitalists the the difference is that they're probably more bullish in terms of The efficacy of government regulation than, say, like your average conservative.

01:09:13.000 But, like, they're kissing cousins.

01:09:15.000 They're in the same ballpark, right?

01:09:16.000 Whereas, like, leftists would be like, no, capitalism's inherently exploitative.

01:09:20.000 Like, capitalism's a bad thing.

01:09:22.000 Whereas, like, liberals see government as facilitating capitalism.

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:28.000 So it's interesting, you know, we try to define the two umbrella factions in the culture war.

01:09:33.000 They say left or right.

01:09:34.000 Within the right sphere of influence, it's amazing because of how vast and wide-reaching it is.

01:09:40.000 You've got the politically homeless, which are, these are not classical liberals.

01:09:44.000 You know, Dave Rubin likes to say, you're a classical liberal, a classical liberal.

01:09:47.000 And I think he means that colloquially, not in terms of the actual philosophy of classical liberalism.

01:09:53.000 I think, maybe not today, but initially I thought he was, I think what he was really referring to is a liberal from like the 90s, a 90s Democrat, a Bill Clinton or a Donald Trump.

01:10:04.000 And so a classical liberal to a lot of people, because I had this conversation.

01:10:07.000 He means liberal comma classic, like classic Coke?

01:10:09.000 That's what he's referring to?

01:10:11.000 I think nowadays he more so understands.

01:10:13.000 He talks about right libertarianism and classical liberalism.

01:10:16.000 Classical liberalism, like you're saying, like Locke, the Enlightenment, etc.

01:10:19.000 Civil libertarianism.

01:10:20.000 But the politically homeless we see, a lot of these people are social liberals, which is a center-left libertarian position, which is where I am a little bit.

01:10:28.000 And that's where I can say things like, I believe there's systemic racism.

01:10:32.000 I just think the leftist cult of, you know, political racism... But you're very much against censorship, right?

01:10:36.000 Oh, go ahead.

01:10:39.000 So we also got to make sure we're talking about the nuance here.

01:10:42.000 I'm opposed to censorship in terms of political opinions, political discourse.

01:10:47.000 Coercive government force suppressing opinions.

01:10:50.000 But there's a big challenge there.

01:10:51.000 Some people have opinions which border on, well, I'll put it this way.

01:10:57.000 You're allowed to have the opinion and say the opinion, but censorship can be good.

01:11:01.000 Yeah.

01:11:02.000 You don't think so?

01:11:03.000 I'm pulling you into a trap, by the way.

01:11:05.000 Sure.

01:11:06.000 Okay, so can we make a distinction here, too?

01:11:07.000 There's a difference between cultural censorship and government censorship.

01:11:11.000 I'm going to say with government censorship, to the extent that you are suppressing a willful, active call for violence, in the sense that, like, if I tried to literally have people come kill you, that would be something you could... You're not expressing an opinion.

01:11:24.000 You're just precipitating a crime, right?

01:11:26.000 What about content?

01:11:29.000 I think as far as the government is concerned, you have ultimate freedom of expression and ultimate freedom of opinion.

01:11:34.000 Any opinion you have is legally valid.

01:11:36.000 The government should never suppress your opinion.

01:11:38.000 Now that's different than a culture, right?

01:11:40.000 A culture is a little bit more different because culture is like, well, maybe I don't want to have you on my platform because I just don't like you, right?

01:11:45.000 Or maybe it's bad for my bottom dollar.

01:11:47.000 I can give you a really good example, and it's thanks to our good friend Ian, who's enlightened me a lot on this stuff.

01:11:52.000 The graphite guy?

01:11:54.000 The graphene guy.

01:11:55.000 Ian was a censor.

01:11:57.000 Yeah, I worked at Mines.

01:11:58.000 I co-founded Mines and did administrative stuff for five years.

01:12:02.000 Right, but that's not any government censorship, right?

01:12:03.000 That's a private phenomenon.

01:12:06.000 No, no, no.

01:12:07.000 It's a combination of cultural and government.

01:12:10.000 When people are posting graphic images of children in sexual positions, Censors are extremely important.

01:12:15.000 It's illegal.

01:12:16.000 So that's government.

01:12:17.000 The government sets the legalities and the culture kind of begins.

01:12:20.000 Then they set their own terms.

01:12:21.000 So like, Twitter can ban you for things that aren't illegal.

01:12:23.000 Technically, they can all ban you for any reason without and for no reason at all, which is crazy.

01:12:27.000 But none of that would run afoul of my criteria that I established of expressing an opinion.

01:12:32.000 But so I want to express your opinion about whether child pornography should be legal or not.

01:12:36.000 Like when people post a picture of something saying, this is my opinion, the picture says it all.

01:12:40.000 That's not really someone's opinion.

01:12:41.000 You're writing text on a page?

01:12:43.000 That's not really your opinion.

01:12:44.000 That's text?

01:12:46.000 My point was just simply, I think when a lot of people say censorship, there's a sort of colloquial definition that is a narrow view of what censorship is.

01:12:53.000 And that is someone expressing their opinion, having a discussion, and they get shut down by one of these platforms.

01:13:00.000 And, uh, yeah, we agree that's bad.

01:13:01.000 But you could say, my, I think that child porn should be illegal.

01:13:04.000 That, I don't think that.

01:13:05.000 You should, you definitely should.

01:13:06.000 Obviously, none of us think that.

01:13:08.000 You can say that.

01:13:09.000 That is legal to say.

01:13:10.000 You're allowed to have a reprobate opinion.

01:13:11.000 Yeah, you can say that on social media.

01:13:13.000 You just can't show the stuff because it's illegal.

01:13:15.000 So isn't that also, but here's what, isn't that, is that not also a call to violence to take that position?

01:13:19.000 Because you're saying this inherently violent thing should be allowed to be done to children.

01:13:23.000 What do you mean?

01:13:24.000 You're allowed to say that in the United States.

01:13:25.000 No, no, no.

01:13:27.000 It's not an imminent threat of violence.

01:13:28.000 If it was imminent, if you were like, on Thursday at 2 p.m.

01:13:31.000 you should fill in the blank, then that's illegal.

01:13:33.000 I think if you were to take that logic to the nth degree, if you think a zygote is a child, then you would be able to suppress pro-choice rhetoric because it would be killing children, right?

01:13:42.000 Yeah, I mean, and I do believe, as I go to child, I think that if someone's speaking pro-choice talking points, it makes sense to have an argument, especially because a lot of people aren't as informed on the science there, but when it comes to directly saying that people should be able to do things that directly harm children with respect... But if I was an abortion doctor and I said, I think we should have abortions, right? 0.77

01:14:02.000 In your worldview, I would be saying we should be killing babies. 0.97

01:14:05.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.97

01:14:05.000 Should my opinion be legally suppressed? 0.97

01:14:07.000 That's a really good question.

01:14:08.000 I think there's a difference, that's actually a really good question, I'm gonna think about that, but I think there's a difference between that and arguing in favor of CEP, no?

01:14:15.000 Like if you're actually pushing to legalize it when it's not already legal?

01:14:18.000 Correct.

01:14:19.000 Pushing to legalize something that's already illegal, well you're allowed to say it should be legal, but if you say do it, and it's an imminent...

01:14:27.000 Can I back up a little bit because I want to talk about the culture war briefly?

01:14:31.000 I think that it is a complete misnomer to even discuss the culture war in terms of left versus right.

01:14:36.000 I think that this is a trick that corporate media does because it knows it can get people fired up because we have been taught to embrace what I call teeter-totter thinking.

01:14:44.000 Teeter-totter thinking is if I say something negative about Biden, I must be pro-Trump.

01:14:48.000 If I say something negative about Obama, I must be pro-George W. Bush. 0.99

01:14:53.000 Sometimes they all all suck right? Shout out to Michael Malice. You know when 0.98

01:14:56.000 he tweets something bad about Biden they're like, well you support Trump. Our

01:15:00.000 anarchist friend who thinks all government is illegitimate is not a fan. But I just love it

01:15:05.000 when people tweet at him he'll say something about Biden and they'll be like

01:15:08.000 well Trump did this and he's like okay. Right again it's not a teeter-totter.

01:15:12.000 But like but the...

01:15:15.000 It's easier to make money by getting people to go on red vs. blue all the time.

01:15:19.000 The culture war is not right vs. left.

01:15:22.000 It's never been right vs. left.

01:15:23.000 The culture war is between pluralists and authoritarians.

01:15:28.000 We've had so many conversations trying to assess and break down the culture war.

01:15:33.000 I do think left and right are just terms we use socially to describe parent factions.

01:15:40.000 Like leftists and traditional liberals for some reason are aligned.

01:15:43.000 It's very strange.

01:15:44.000 And then you have social liberals, libertarians and social conservatives aligned.

01:15:47.000 Very strange.

01:15:48.000 Like Dave Rubin, a gay married man hanging out with a conservative Jewish man, Ben Shapiro.

01:15:54.000 Because they agree on more important things than certain issues that have been overshadowed by the culture war.

01:16:00.000 I was going to say, you said pluralist versus authoritarian.

01:16:05.000 I actually think it's really hard to define.

01:16:10.000 We've looked at it a few ways.

01:16:11.000 A lot of people have said authoritarian versus libertarian thinking.

01:16:14.000 I think that would be a good stand-in, although I'd like to use different terms.

01:16:16.000 But there's also a lot else in there.

01:16:18.000 We had Stephen Marsh on the show, who wrote the book The Next Civil War, and he said, within the United States there is a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic, and they can't coexist.

01:16:28.000 And that's really interesting, too, because you could say that the left culture war faction is a multicultural democracy, and the right is a constitutional republic, and that actually explains disparate political opinions better than left or right.

01:16:40.000 Yeah, elaborate on that, because that's fascinating.

01:16:41.000 Well, so, you look at someone like Dave Rubin, a gay married man, and Ben Shapiro, and they get along, and it's because they're in the constitutional republic.

01:16:49.000 They look at America and its values, and though they disagree on social issues, their core fabric is well within a framework they understand.

01:16:57.000 The multicultural democracy doesn't believe in things like republicanism. 0.77

01:17:01.000 You know, electoral college is a really good example of this.

01:17:04.000 They want majority rules. 0.71

01:17:07.000 They want open borders, multicultural thinking, and that may be an easy way to explain it.

01:17:14.000 There is another way that I've explained it, too.

01:17:16.000 The Judeo-Christian moral framework versus the fascistic moral framework.

01:17:21.000 How we would describe the left is, to quote the late David Graeber, they've adopted tenets of fascism, that there is no truth but power.

01:17:29.000 Whereas the Constitutional Republic believes in inalienable rights and a lot of values that are rooted in a Christian moral framework, whether they realize it or not. 0.94

01:17:38.000 For example, your innocent until proven guilty is It actually comes from the Bible.

01:17:46.000 So, I was fascinated by this and I read the history of, I believe this is the Fifth Amendment, right?

01:17:50.000 The Fifth Amendment has a couple provisions in it.

01:17:54.000 But I was reading about, why is it that in the United States, we take very seriously, you are innocent until proven guilty?

01:18:01.000 Well, it actually comes from a quote from Ben Franklin.

01:18:03.000 It is better that a hundred guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.

01:18:06.000 That value came to him through Blackstone's formulation.

01:18:08.000 It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.

01:18:11.000 He does wipe them out.

01:18:13.000 is based on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

01:18:16.000 If there is but one righteous person, you know, I will not destroy the city.

01:18:19.000 And then I think ultimately God does, you know, wipe them out.

01:18:21.000 He does wipe them out.

01:18:22.000 But only after...

01:18:23.000 But he evacuates the people.

01:18:24.000 He evacuates the people.

01:18:25.000 And so people like Bill Maher I find interesting because he's secular, he's an atheist,

01:18:30.000 but his moral values are built upon a Christian moral framework, whether he realizes it or not.

01:18:35.000 I'm not saying he has to believe in God, or he does, because of this.

01:18:37.000 I'm saying the values that were born out of Christianity, he retains those, despite not believing in the actual religion.

01:18:44.000 The leftists don't believe in that religion at all, and they have no core moral framework, which is probably why they flip-flop on issues, and there seems to be no cohesive moral pattern to what they do. 0.93

01:18:55.000 It's why they'll say only white people can be racist, and Candace Owens is a white supremacist. 1.00

01:19:02.000 There's no clear logical pattern there because there is no root moral framework other than there is no truth but power, which is what David Graeber said.

01:19:10.000 He said this a few years ago.

01:19:11.000 He didn't like being called this, but they called him the anarchist anthropologist, and he said that a certain sect of the left has embraced fascistic tenets.

01:19:20.000 Can I outline my theory for you, just to convolute this a little bit more?

01:19:23.000 Oh, do it, do it.

01:19:25.000 So, as I said, I see it like... I know you've brought up on the show before the political compass, right?

01:19:29.000 So like the XY axis of like economic versus social, left libertarian, and so on and so forth.

01:19:33.000 I would posit there's a separate axis, which is how do you react to negative opinions?

01:19:39.000 Or how should society govern negative opinions?

01:19:41.000 And if you're coming towards the top of that, you're on the side of pluralism, which is to say, like Dave Rubin and Ben, who I think are a good example of this, I disagree with you, but our society is big enough for people I disagree with.

01:19:52.000 We're not going to crack down on that.

01:19:54.000 Error is okay within a pluralistic society.

01:19:56.000 You're allowed to be wrong.

01:19:57.000 I'm an atheist, you guys are Catholics, or whatever the thing is, right?

01:19:59.000 We can do that, right?

01:20:00.000 If you're not a pluralist, you're an authoritarian, your line of thinking is, no, society has to be on the same page.

01:20:07.000 And I think there's a spectrum to it.

01:20:09.000 I think that like, I think that the people that are authoritarians tend to be, they self-soothe through compliance, where when there's a pandemic, it's very important to march around and go, you've got to wear your mask right now, because I am going to self-soothe myself by doing this.

01:20:23.000 Or alternately, you can never ever say that, whatever the thing is, you can't say that.

01:20:28.000 So one of the things too, in all this, to, you know, to build upon this, For the Constitutional Republic faction, or whatever you want to call it, it seems like we all believe in something greater than ourselves.

01:20:40.000 When I say that Seamus has rights, it's because I believe that I am not God.

01:20:46.000 I am not an all-powerful entity.

01:20:48.000 I am not deserving of this world or entitled.

01:20:50.000 I believe that an individual has equal rights to me because there is something that exists outside of me that I don't control.

01:20:57.000 We are all within this one universe.

01:20:59.000 I don't necessarily think that's inherently rooted in Christianity.

01:21:03.000 It's rooted in an idea that the universe is bigger than you.

01:21:06.000 But you look at what the modern left tribe or multicultural democracy view is, and it's, if I can take the power, I should.

01:21:14.000 And so it seems like their moral framework is not built upon whether or not another person has individual rights, which is why, once again, there seems to be no logic to whatever morality they claim to have.

01:21:24.000 It seems like they're willing to just say what they need to say to gain power, which is why you end up with Instagram accounts or Twitter accounts like Defiant L's, where very often we'll get a tweet from a mainstream left personality saying, you know, we should do X, and then a tweet from them later saying X is evil.

01:21:43.000 You'll get people saying, you know, war is wrong, or Donald Trump is going to lead us into World War 3, he's a madman and we need to impeach him, and then Joe Biden absolutely should be implementing a no-fly zone, even if it starts World War 3.

01:21:53.000 There's no logical consistency there, other than if it gains me power, I can do it.

01:21:58.000 My worldview is, I have no right to usurp power from other people by force or through manipulation, because there is something bigger than me.

01:22:05.000 Well, since we're fans of convoluting things, I want to convolute this even further.

01:22:09.000 So, when it comes to this idea of a political compass and the culture war, part of where it gets really confusing is that it seems to me as if right now, and for the past several years, it has more or less been the case that at least when it comes to many social and economic issues, the left is more authoritarian, the right tends towards something a little more libertarian, but not necessarily fully libertarian.

01:22:09.000 Yeah, I'll go after you.

01:22:30.000 But it seems as if whichever group on the right or left has power will become more authoritarian.

01:22:37.000 And so it's something that each side will jump to and from.

01:22:41.000 And also what a person views as being authoritarian or non-authoritarian is totally informed by whether they're on the right or left.

01:22:48.000 So for example, when you're talking about the masks, And the vaccines and these other COVID lockdowns.

01:22:52.000 Someone on the left is going to say, well, that's not authoritarian at all.

01:22:55.000 I'm actually protecting the little guy.

01:22:57.000 Or if you look at even something like economic issues, they'll say, well, by increasing taxes on large corporations, I'm not telling people who are voluntarily exchanging goods that they're not allowed to do that and acting as an authority.

01:23:07.000 I'm actually protecting the little guy because he doesn't have as much leverage.

01:23:10.000 So for me, it's difficult to separate the left and right from authoritarianism slash libertarianism.

01:23:16.000 But also it's difficult for me to define exactly Where they're connected.

01:23:20.000 But let me just say, there's a reason why when you look at polls, independents and moderates

01:23:26.000 tend to have similar world views to conservatives.

01:23:30.000 It's very, very simple.

01:23:31.000 Who would you say is the most prominent progressive left personality?

01:23:35.000 AOC.

01:23:36.000 In terms of like media punditry, not politics.

01:23:39.000 Interesting.

01:23:40.000 Oh, in terms of... gosh, I don't know.

01:23:43.000 In terms of... Anybody have any... Talking heads?

01:23:45.000 Yeah, let's say someone with a couple... Stephen Colbert.

01:23:47.000 Stephen Colbert.

01:23:48.000 He's, like, an establishment liberal, though.

01:23:49.000 I wouldn't... That's fine.

01:23:50.000 That's what we're talking about, not leftists.

01:23:51.000 So, let me ask you a question.

01:23:53.000 If you were sitting down and you had Stephen Colbert on one side and Ben Shapiro on the other, who do you think would tell you the truth and nothing but the truth?

01:24:02.000 You know, I actually really like Colbert.

01:24:03.000 I don't think he'd lie to me.

01:24:05.000 I disagree with his politics.

01:24:06.000 I do think he's a decent man.

01:24:08.000 He lies.

01:24:10.000 I disagree with Ben Shapiro's politics.

01:24:10.000 He lies a lot.

01:24:12.000 You know, not all of them.

01:24:13.000 I disagree with Ben Shapiro's politics, you know, not all of them, but when I watch him

01:24:21.000 argue I'm like, well, what he's saying is true.

01:24:24.000 I see his assessment there.

01:24:25.000 I'll disagree with him.

01:24:27.000 I've seen him be wrong, but I have seen mainstream left personalities outright lie every step of the way.

01:24:33.000 I mean, I run the list.

01:24:35.000 I think every day this week I've run the list on all the mainstream, not all of them, as many as I can count on one hand.

01:24:40.000 It's so easy to do.

01:24:41.000 I have to put on my Pollyanna hat for a minute.

01:24:45.000 I don't think that there is a political ideology in the United States that is just inherently prone to lying or immorality.

01:24:53.000 I think most of the people in the United States, be they on the left, the right, the center, independent, whatever, most people are wanting to live in a free, prosperous, peaceful society.

01:25:02.000 The argument is how we achieve that goal.

01:25:04.000 Should I start counting?

01:25:05.000 No, no, no.

01:25:05.000 Hold on.

01:25:06.000 I just want to make one point.

01:25:07.000 But I just got to say, I think you're completely wrong.

01:25:11.000 Trayvon Martin's story was a lie.

01:25:13.000 The mainstream news, NBC I believe, edited the phone call from Zimmerman to make it sound like he was racist.

01:25:18.000 The Michael Brown story was a lie.

01:25:19.000 His hands were not up, hands up don't shoot is not true.

01:25:22.000 Jussie Smollett obviously a lie. 0.99

01:25:24.000 Do you think it's the institutions that are lying or do you think just people prone to the left are liars?

01:25:27.000 Like do you think it's something inherent to the political philosophy?

01:25:30.000 Yes, there is no truth but power.

01:25:32.000 So we've seen this rising over the past decade or so.

01:25:35.000 And that's why I cite David Graeber, because he was the anarchist anthropologist.

01:25:39.000 He was a left anarchist who tweeted this out, that they have adopted this tenet of there is no truth but power.

01:25:46.000 So you can actually see them come out and overtly lie every step of the way.

01:25:51.000 And it's not just the activists who are now being indebted on fraud on more than one occasion, or the BLM offices, which apparently didn't exist and no one was there and the money is who knows where.

01:25:59.000 The woman who's got multiple houses, or the woman in Boston who's being indicted on 18 charges of fraud.

01:26:03.000 Don't get me wrong, the right has their liars and manipulators, because grifters and conmen and conwomen exist across the board.

01:26:09.000 But when you have, consistently, Russiagate's fake, Ukrainegate is fake, the Covington kids thing was a hoax, the Kyle Rittenhouse story fabricated. 0.97

01:26:21.000 The left was actually putting up stories saying he crossed state lines with a gun to hunt down black people, which was totally fabricated.

01:26:28.000 You can go through almost every single story about some hate, some graffiti vandalism hate crime, and it was a tweet between Matt Walsh and, uh, Matt Walsh put up with him and Andy Ngo, and they said, I can't think of any example in recent history in which this turned out to be true.

01:26:40.000 Where a white supremacist person was racist and sprayed a swastika or a slur.

01:26:44.000 It always turns out to be a hoax across the board.

01:26:47.000 What, what, you, Ahmed Arbery is one that really, really gets me, because the conservatives bought into it too.

01:26:53.000 You know the story, the guy was jogging, they said, and then the three white guys lynched him or something?

01:26:57.000 This is the guy that got shot, the jogger?

01:26:59.000 Well he wasn't jogging, but sure.

01:27:03.000 So he ran up to the truck where the two guys were and then tried to take the shotgun from one of the guys and then it went off and hit him in the chest and he was a felony burglary suspect.

01:27:12.000 Look, the guy shouldn't have died.

01:27:13.000 But when you get even conservatives like Fox News coming out and just playing along with the establishment's lies over and over and over again, you got a problem.

01:27:21.000 But yeah, I just gotta say, if I talk to Ben Shapiro, he might be wrong about some things, but he tries to be factual.

01:27:28.000 And that's not... I'm not saying Ben Shapiro is a perfect human being.

01:27:30.000 I'm sure he gets things wrong.

01:27:31.000 I'm sure there's things he can't talk about.

01:27:33.000 But I keep seeing this as a tendency On the right, the rule is typically honest and the exception is sometimes people lie or get things wrong.

01:27:44.000 On the left, the rule is they lie all the time and the exception is some of them sometimes are honest.

01:27:49.000 Crystal Ball is a progressive.

01:27:50.000 She's fantastic.

01:27:51.000 Jimmy Dore is a leftist.

01:27:52.000 He's fantastic.

01:27:53.000 Kyle Kalinske, also fantastic.

01:27:54.000 I think most people lie, dude.

01:27:56.000 We do differ on that.

01:27:57.000 And I'm not saying gay left, but I think it's dangerous to live in a Manichaean world of my team's the good team and we're the holy people and the other team are evil. 0.51

01:28:06.000 They're not my team.

01:28:06.000 I'm not a conservative.

01:28:07.000 Sure.

01:28:07.000 But the reality is... The idea that there's black hats and white hats.

01:28:10.000 One of the things I noticed in politics of late is there is a view of the problem is bad people and then the other system is the problem is bad systems.

01:28:19.000 I'm a system thinker, right?

01:28:20.000 So I think that if you take a bad system, you put in good people, you're still going to get negative outcome.

01:28:25.000 I don't think that if you just root out all the bad people, all of a sudden everything works well, right?

01:28:29.000 So I'm very bothered by the increase in mannequin thinking in the United States, and the idea that there's a bad team and a good team, and if we could just defeat the bad team... So what if the bad team is the institutions and the establishment?

01:28:38.000 Then another one will rise up.

01:28:40.000 I'll give you I'll give you a hard example.

01:28:41.000 I think they're separate and I don't think that role in the system.

01:28:43.000 I don't think within the American context that like liberals, the Adam Gopniks we're

01:28:47.000 talking about earlier, I don't think that they're inherently liars or anything like

01:28:50.000 that.

01:28:51.000 I'll give you a hard example.

01:28:53.000 The Gordon Sondland testimony over Trump and quid pro quo.

01:28:57.000 There's an image I have on my Instagram showing two TV screens.

01:29:00.000 I think one is CBS and one is Fox News.

01:29:03.000 One is overtly lying and one is closer to the truth.

01:29:07.000 Fox News, as it turns out.

01:29:08.000 CBS says Sondland confirms quid pro quo.

01:29:11.000 Why?

01:29:12.000 Well, Sondland was asked, did Donald Trump engage in a quid pro quo?

01:29:16.000 And he said, well, Trump told me explicitly I don't want anything for this no quid pro quo.

01:29:21.000 But I kinda think he wanted it.

01:29:23.000 So CBS reports confirmed he wanted it.

01:29:25.000 Why?

01:29:25.000 Because some guy's opinion was it.

01:29:27.000 Fox News went with the factual statement, which is Trump said no quid pro quo and Sondland's opinion is not relevant to what the president actually requested.

01:29:35.000 Now when you have those two screens showing the exact opposites, and one is based on the opinion of a guy, irrespective of the fact that Trump said no quid pro quo, that is a lie.

01:29:45.000 But it's an anecdotal lie.

01:29:47.000 It doesn't necessarily make it emblematic.

01:29:49.000 At a certain point, you have almost every single Black Lives Matter major story that resulted in mass rioting, the defense of the mass rioters, every single lie from the mainstream media, mostly peaceful protests while the police department's burning down.

01:30:01.000 At a certain point, if you say, these people aren't inherently bad people, then I think you're actually running defense for people who have been proven time and time again to lie about everything.

01:30:11.000 Do I have to say, if I've got a neighbor that's a Democrat, do I have to say he's an inherently bad person?

01:30:15.000 No, of course not.

01:30:17.000 The average Democrat voter is probably just not aware of a lot of these issues.

01:30:21.000 And the bigger issue is that organizations like the Daily Beast, for instance, lie about everything.

01:30:27.000 But when you see just the other day, the New York Times finally acknowledged that the Hunter Biden's laptop was real.

01:30:33.000 NPR said, not a real story.

01:30:35.000 Facebook and Twitter used this reporting from mainstream outlets to suppress factual information that was very, very pertinent to this election that was coming up.

01:30:43.000 They do this all the time.

01:30:46.000 And when you see these activist organizations on the left working in tandem with them, at a certain point you have to be like, yo, they're all in alignment, they're consistently lying to us, and they're destroying and harming people every time they do this.

01:30:58.000 Kamala Harris helped bail out people who are riding and burning down buildings.

01:31:03.000 Joe Biden launched his campaign on a lie, claiming that Donald Trump defended white supremacists, which he didn't do.

01:31:09.000 The media just lied about everything over and over and over again.

01:31:13.000 Now Fox News is not perfect.

01:31:15.000 Hannity is very much a warmonger.

01:31:17.000 I'm not a big fan of Hannity or Ingram.

01:31:18.000 I think Tucker is actually a bit... He takes things a little far, gets a little angry sometimes.

01:31:23.000 Fox News' basic reporting, like Brett Baier, it's actually not that bad.

01:31:26.000 And if you watch The Five, Geraldo Rivera may as well be a Democrat.

01:31:29.000 They've got a good group of voices kind of arguing with each other.

01:31:33.000 But you turn on CNN or MSNBC, And I'm sitting there just like, wow, it's all lies.

01:31:39.000 It's just over and over again.

01:31:40.000 Take a look at this.

01:31:41.000 Just recently, the Daily Beast claimed that I pushed Kremlin propaganda about US-funded bioweapons labs.

01:31:47.000 Literally, I've never said that.

01:31:48.000 In fact, the segments we've done on this show is me saying, the story's probably not true.

01:31:53.000 They're not bioweapons labs.

01:31:54.000 These maps don't even line up, yet they just fabricate the information.

01:31:58.000 The amount of fake stories that were, the amount of stories that were fabricated by the Daily Beast about me are absolutely, it's insane to watch.

01:32:06.000 But look, outside of me, outside of anecdotes, if you have 800 or 1,000 anecdotes of all of these throughout for the past dozen or so years, they've all kept doing the same thing.

01:32:18.000 At a certain point, you have to say, I think this might be data.

01:32:22.000 Right?

01:32:23.000 So you start with the beginning of Black Lives Matter.

01:32:24.000 Trayvon Martin.

01:32:25.000 Fabricated story.

01:32:26.000 Zimmerman's not a white guy.

01:32:27.000 He's Hispanic. 0.89

01:32:28.000 He didn't just walk up to Trayvon and kill him.

01:32:30.000 They were actually fighting.

01:32:31.000 Trayvon was at him on the ground.

01:32:32.000 Can I ask a clarifying question?

01:32:34.000 When you say you have all this data, clearly you do.

01:32:37.000 Is this data going into a binary framework?

01:32:39.000 Like, is it the right, the left, and everybody's on that?

01:32:41.000 Do you think there's multiple... Like, for me, I look at it, I think there's like 15 different political tribes in the United States, and we falsely lump them into left versus right, and that lends itself to this manichean thinking of good versus bad, blue versus red, everybody's in one or the other.

01:32:54.000 Like, paint your worldview for me.

01:32:56.000 There's two parent spheres of influence.

01:32:58.000 What we could describe as the left sphere of influence and the right sphere of influence.

01:33:01.000 Within each of these are other disparate factions, often that don't even agree with each other.

01:33:06.000 Progressives very much don't like the establishment Democrats, but they're in the same sphere of influence based upon the news they consume, their tendency towards lying, and how they're willing to manipulate to gain power.

01:33:19.000 On the right sphere of influence, you have a sort of value and moral honor-based system.

01:33:25.000 The left is fascistic.

01:33:26.000 And I'm not saying they're fascists.

01:33:27.000 being honest with someone allowing them to fact check it and then making your

01:33:31.000 case. What was the left one again? The left sphere of influence in like the

01:33:35.000 traditional Democrats the media. I mean like you said the right is like moral

01:33:39.000 and honor based what was the left? The left is fascistic and I'm not saying

01:33:43.000 they're fascists I'm saying they use the they adhere to the tenet of there's no

01:33:46.000 truth but power which is literally what Black Lives Matter and critical race

01:33:50.000 theorists activists actually say. I mean so you do I mean This is something we disagree on.

01:33:54.000 You do have a fairly Manichaean worldview.

01:33:56.000 There's the good people and there's the bad people.

01:33:58.000 I didn't say anybody was good or bad.

01:34:00.000 Well, I mean, it's honor-based and moral-based.

01:34:01.000 Sounds like the good people to me.

01:34:02.000 If I didn't know what the terms were... I didn't say good morals.

01:34:05.000 I said the right tries to win over people by proving how good of people they are and how respectful they are.

01:34:13.000 No, I don't agree with that.

01:34:14.000 I think they make fun of people.

01:34:16.000 Everybody does that.

01:34:18.000 Everybody does that.

01:34:20.000 What I'm saying is when you look to like a Ben Shapiro, his method of influence is here's the facts.

01:34:28.000 And I'm being honest with you about the facts.

01:34:30.000 Now, here's my argument as to why my worldview is correct and my opinions are right and my policy are the answer.

01:34:36.000 You can agree with that or disagree with that.

01:34:38.000 The left disagrees with that.

01:34:40.000 If you agree with that, then you are more in tune with a lot of the right sphere of influence.

01:34:44.000 The left believes there is no truth but power.

01:34:47.000 They literally will tell you this.

01:34:49.000 They write it in their books.

01:34:50.000 David Graeber pointed it out.

01:34:52.000 They will say, by any means necessary, which is actually the name of an organization that engages in overt acts of violence to gain power, they will come to you and they believe they have a right to lie to you if the means are worth it.

01:35:05.000 So what will happen is, you'll get someone who will come out, like Jared Holt, who I've been really ragging on because he wrote this fake story about me, And he'll say, Tim Pool was pushing Kremlin backed propaganda about US bioweapons and shady labs in Ukraine.

01:35:18.000 Now it's not true.

01:35:19.000 He knows it's not true because he showed a clip from this show where we said it was not true.

01:35:24.000 So why would he lie?

01:35:26.000 Because this is in line with exactly what David Graeber and many other people have pointed out.

01:35:30.000 That the left operates under the tenet, there's no truth but power.

01:35:32.000 It's fascistic, but it's very much in line with, you know, the blank slate ideology or social constructivism or whatever.

01:35:40.000 They believe that if they just create reality by saying things, then they can ultimately... If they can just say lies to formulate a base reality, then ultimately the systems they want will start to exist.

01:35:52.000 The right says... It's sort of like this.

01:35:54.000 In the right sphere of influence, here's what is, and here's my argument about it, and the left is, I will tell you whatever I need to tell you to convince you to follow my lead.

01:36:03.000 So I've got a different map.

01:36:06.000 Mine is not binary.

01:36:08.000 Mine is multiple Venn diagrams, almost like different species, right?

01:36:12.000 There's different genuses that are coming out.

01:36:15.000 I don't like binary thinking, and I think applying it to politics is too reductive.

01:36:20.000 And I'll give you kind of a parallel example to go back to religion, right?

01:36:23.000 Like, if we had a worldview of all religion is either Protestant or Catholic, that would be incoherently reductive.

01:36:30.000 Like, if you went, well, what are you?

01:36:31.000 I'm a Jew.

01:36:32.000 Well, if you're a Jew— Could you say there's secular—there's atheists and there's theists? 0.61

01:36:32.000 Oh, okay. 0.61

01:36:36.000 That's a way to look at it, yeah.

01:36:38.000 But, like, again, like, if you're saying— Is that just one component of the big picture of religion?

01:36:41.000 Well, I mean, like, let's bring up Buddhists. 1.00

01:36:43.000 I mean, Buddhists are... God does not apply either way in Buddhism.

01:36:47.000 You could be a theist and a Buddhist.

01:36:49.000 You could be an atheist and a Buddhist, right?

01:36:51.000 But, like, if you were to say, like, you're a Jew, okay, well, in the Catholic versus Protestant world that we live in, you're very Catholic about tradition, but you're very Protestant about papal infallibility.

01:37:00.000 It's like, no, it's a separate thing.

01:37:01.000 It's a different phenomenon.

01:37:03.000 Are you, like, classical liberals are different than European conservatives of the blood and soil variant, which are different than leftists?

01:37:08.000 But we're talking about the United States and the media, the parent spheres of influence, and their underlying disparate factions.

01:37:17.000 I think there's clearly two major parties.

01:37:19.000 You know, there's truly electoral blocks, but they're basically illusionary.

01:37:24.000 There's a top-down construct that's being placed on what are actually lots of different tribes of people.

01:37:30.000 I don't know, eight and ten, whatever it is, right?

01:37:33.000 This is exactly what I'm saying.

01:37:34.000 It sounds to me, though, that you've got, like, a fundamental DNA to both.

01:37:37.000 That there's, like, one group has, like, a wellspring of might-versus-might-is-right and fascism, or fascistic thinking, and the other one is honored and moral-based, and they all kind of spring from that?

01:37:47.000 So there's sort of two broad species?

01:37:49.000 Those are just tendencies of the parent factions, right?

01:37:52.000 Obviously, within the right sphere of influence, you actually have social liberals who will argue systemic racism, or things that I've said, that clearly people like, you know, conservatives might argue against.

01:38:00.000 We don't all completely agree on everything.

01:38:03.000 But you take a look at, um... You know, there's a really simple way, you know, to break it down.

01:38:08.000 Well, I should say, there's probably not.

01:38:10.000 We try to find different ways to understand what these two spheres of influence are, because they clearly exist.

01:38:16.000 You know, clearly, Jimmy Dore is called right-wing, even though he's socialist, and it's confusing.

01:38:21.000 People call me a conservative, even though I'm, like, pro-progressive tax, pro-choice, and think systemic racism is bad.

01:38:27.000 Because left and right signify that you are in line with a certain worldview.

01:38:32.000 And I think it's one easy way maybe to understand it is, in the right sphere of influence, or whatever you want to call it, there are people who say, prove it.

01:38:40.000 And in the left sphere of influence, there are people who say, tell me what to think.

01:38:45.000 I refuse to be put on a spectrum defined by dead Frenchmen.

01:38:48.000 Like the whole left versus right thing.

01:38:50.000 But I think you're looking too much into it.

01:38:52.000 Just because the French Revolution created this concept of left and right doesn't mean that our use of a word to describe a concept is not correct.

01:39:00.000 You know, relevant to how we view the world.

01:39:02.000 You were saying the people on the right say, prove it, and the people on the left are like, tell me what to think, but what about religion?

01:39:06.000 I think the people on the right tend to be the ones that are religious.

01:39:10.000 Oh, the left is very religious. 0.59

01:39:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:11.000 Where's the proof?

01:39:12.000 The left is very religious.

01:39:13.000 But also, I don't believe in Christianity.

01:39:15.000 Where's the proof?

01:39:16.000 Show me the proof, you know?

01:39:16.000 I'm on the right.

01:39:17.000 Ian, as Peter Boghossian argued, The woke intersectionality critical race theory is a non-theistic religion.

01:39:25.000 I'm talking about God, Christianity, Judaism, people on the right, conservative people.

01:39:29.000 Where's the proof?

01:39:30.000 They don't need proof for that.

01:39:30.000 They believe it just at hand value too.

01:39:34.000 The human mind is tricky.

01:39:35.000 We were actually talking about this earlier because I was playing some Dido music, because Seamus and I were working on this bit, and it auto-played One of Us by, what was her name, Joan Osborne.

01:39:47.000 You know what if God was one of us?

01:39:49.000 And I remember when I was little they said there was like a controversy around it.

01:39:52.000 And I asked Seamus if this song was offense or whatever.

01:39:54.000 I have no idea.

01:39:55.000 I've never really heard.

01:39:56.000 Well no I don't know the lyrics.

01:39:57.000 I don't know.

01:39:58.000 But you know what came up was me saying like I keep hearing.

01:40:03.000 I'll give you an example.

01:40:05.000 There's a meme, and it shows a guy at a podium yelling to a bunch of people, how many of you think abortion should be banned?

01:40:11.000 And they're all like, yay!

01:40:13.000 And it says, how many of you think adoption is better than abortion?

01:40:15.000 They all cheer.

01:40:16.000 And then it says, how many of you are willing to adopt?

01:40:18.000 And all the people are sad, like, brr.

01:40:20.000 And I think that's fascinating because when I actually will read articles or read about pro-life organizations, turns out they adopt like crazy.

01:40:31.000 Turns out the people who are pro-life actually do adopt and do donate and do try to help kids.

01:40:35.000 So why is it that these Democrat voters or pro-choice individuals believe that pro-lifers are out there trying to ban abortion without supporting adoption, which is just fundamentally false?

01:40:47.000 It's because once again it falls back into the trope of activists who want something when it applies to the left sphere of influence are willing to lie to you to convince you they're morally just or right, whereas the right doesn't do that.

01:40:58.000 There's another thing to point out in this as to why it might be the case.

01:41:02.000 Jack Dorsey said this when I was on with Rogan.

01:41:05.000 Conservative journalists follow liberal journalists and conservative journalists.

01:41:09.000 Liberal journalists only follow liberal journalists.

01:41:11.000 It's entirely possible that they're making up their view of conservatives in their own mind.

01:41:17.000 I do think that's true.

01:41:18.000 Like, so something that I've noticed the last few years, I'm gonna, we're gonna reproach now.

01:41:22.000 I do think that in the American context, generally speaking, if a conservative, actually I'm gonna add this, conservative libertarian and liberal, although libertarian and conservative are more similar to each other, If a conservative disagrees with you, they think you're crazy.

01:41:34.000 If a libertarian disagrees with you, they tend to think you're ill-informed.

01:41:37.000 But it's kind of similar.

01:41:38.000 It's a failure of information, right?

01:41:40.000 If a progressive disagrees with you, they think you're evil.

01:41:43.000 I've thought about this really hard.

01:41:45.000 I think that it's structural.

01:41:46.000 I don't think that it's innate.

01:41:47.000 Like, I talked to Jonathan Roche, who wrote The Constitution of Knowledge, about this recently.

01:41:52.000 His theory is that human beings are innately tribal.

01:41:55.000 We innately castigate the other as morally defective, whereas our group is nuanced and good, right?

01:42:01.000 So I think what's happening is, me being from Oklahoma, I'm from the middle.

01:42:06.000 Most of my family's conservative.

01:42:08.000 Most of my friends are conservative.

01:42:10.000 Being in the middle, they're consuming content from the coasts all the time.

01:42:13.000 So they know that they really like Tom Hanks or George Clooney or whoever.

01:42:17.000 They know he's a Democrat, but they like him.

01:42:18.000 So they can sustain a worldview of I like this person, but I disagree with them.

01:42:23.000 But I don't think that's happening with progressive media as much, because they're not going to church or NASCAR or whatever the thing is.

01:42:28.000 They're not going to Nashville for country music, so they don't have media they're regularly consuming of counterexamples of someone that I disagree with who I like.

01:42:36.000 And so they're able to facilitate these cartoon characters of mustache-twirling evil capitalists.

01:42:40.000 Why do they want to get Tucker Carlson pulled off the air?

01:42:43.000 Well, we can speculate all day and night.

01:42:46.000 I would argue it's because Tucker Carlson is a conservative who has conservative voices on his show, and he regularly invites the left on to debate, and they do.

01:42:53.000 There's a reason why many of the people on the left who spread lies all day won't come on this show.

01:42:59.000 Because we would show that they're lying.

01:43:01.000 I'm from Chicago.

01:43:02.000 I grew up in a city run by Democrats for 80 years.

01:43:05.000 I grew up with leftist anarchists.

01:43:06.000 Is it working?

01:43:07.000 Chicago?

01:43:08.000 Yeah.

01:43:08.000 Absolutely not.

01:43:09.000 Oh, okay.

01:43:10.000 Believe it or not. 1.00

01:43:10.000 And so what's fascinating is I got called conservative because I said Democrats suck. 1.00

01:43:16.000 And I said, oh yeah, I think Republicans suck too. 0.99

01:43:18.000 But perhaps it's that growing up in a city that's been run by Democrats for 80 years, you really get mad at this overtly corrupt group that's been lying to you and is just, has been BSing you the whole way. 0.99

01:43:29.000 But I will say, when I was younger, I voted for Obama.

01:43:32.000 I was very much, I went and I would vote, and we'd vote Democrat across the board, and I was totally in line with all of that thinking.

01:43:39.000 And then as I started to move out and travel around the world and actually meet people and start reading what people were saying, I said, Hey, wait a minute.

01:43:47.000 When they claimed conservatives were outraged about that.

01:43:50.000 I talked to conservatives and that's not true.

01:43:53.000 A good example is, um, I hung out with a bunch of, uh, atheists, secularists, and they would make a bunch of arguments about Christianity and what conservatives believed.

01:44:03.000 And then I would be like, huh.

01:44:04.000 Yeah!

01:44:05.000 And then I'd go talk to a conservative, a Christian conservative, and they would be able to give me answers and actually explain their ideas, and I'd go, oh, those people were lying to me about what you thought, or at least didn't know.

01:44:15.000 And so what ends up happening is, I work for Vice, I work for an ABC company, ABC Univision, and then I actually see how evil these people are.

01:44:24.000 You know, when I worked for Fusion, this is an ABC Univision company, the president told me, side with the audience.

01:44:30.000 And I said, does that mean if there's a factual news story that would be offensive to our audience, we don't report it?

01:44:35.000 And he says, I think that's fair, yeah.

01:44:37.000 Like, they outright say, look, our audience are young and progressive, so we're going to take their side.

01:44:43.000 Take their side.

01:44:43.000 I'm like, here's what I'm going to do.

01:44:45.000 I'm going to report what happened.

01:44:47.000 And that's about what I can do.

01:44:48.000 I'm not gonna frame it or side with them.

01:44:51.000 Siding with them means, if I go to a rally and I watch a fight break out between a Trump supporter and Antifa, and Antifa started it, I gotta side with Antifa and say it's the Trump supporter's fault.

01:45:01.000 No, I won't do that.

01:45:02.000 I'll say, ah, the Antifa guy threw the brick first.

01:45:04.000 Trump guy started fighting.

01:45:05.000 And that tends to be what happens.

01:45:06.000 They don't like it, they call me a liar.

01:45:08.000 I've been doing this for some time.

01:45:10.000 I got started with the hacker community, which got me more involved.

01:45:13.000 I used to work for non-profits.

01:45:14.000 I was very much involved with a lot of hacker community stuff.

01:45:17.000 And then it leads me on the ground at Occupy Wall Street.

01:45:22.000 And then it's really, really simple.

01:45:23.000 I've never been a conservative.

01:45:24.000 I'm still not a conservative.

01:45:25.000 If anything, I'm a libertarian centrist leaning slightly left.

01:45:29.000 And I read the news all day, every day.

01:45:31.000 And at a certain point, it becomes fairly obvious the establishment lies and has lied my entire life to get us into war and for power.

01:45:40.000 They've been exploiting leftist ideals because it's an easy way to get youth to pitch in and give them their power.

01:45:46.000 The media and the left all have embraced lying to gain power.

01:45:50.000 And then I look at, you know, prominent conservative media, and they have a tendency to get the story correct.

01:45:57.000 So it's a tent.

01:45:57.000 So that's why I say I'm the right with all these outlets.

01:46:01.000 I can pull these things up and then run a fact check.

01:46:03.000 Surprise, surprise.

01:46:04.000 This is why they call Matt Taibbi right wing.

01:46:06.000 Right.

01:46:06.000 See, I find that I am center whatever you're not.

01:46:09.000 Whenever I'm talking to anybody, all my Democrat friends think I'm center right.

01:46:13.000 By which they mean I'm a conservative, because I'm not whatever they are, but I'm palatable.

01:46:16.000 That's what center means.

01:46:17.000 But when I talk to my conservative friends, they think I'm center-left.

01:46:20.000 Which I take, on my end, I take to think that the system that they're using, that spectral thinking, is too reductive, right?

01:46:26.000 But I find that I'm always the center version of what the person I'm talking to is not.

01:46:29.000 Well, it's because you're to the left of someone on the right and to the right of someone on the left.

01:46:34.000 Could be, yeah.

01:46:35.000 One interesting way to look at it is, in a physical sense... Or actually, another thing I'll add to that, because I do think... I'm not trying to fight with you, Tim, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.

01:46:44.000 I have a... I have just kind of... I think by virtue of the fact that I'm from Oklahoma, and I have all these conservative friends, and I lived in New York, and I have all these liberal friends, that I recoil from villain-based thinking.

01:46:58.000 And so I tend to go to systemic thinking, right?

01:46:59.000 What about...

01:47:02.000 But I think it's part of the reason people get mad at me is, you're not doing this right now.

01:47:05.000 But a lot of the time when other people are like, hey, how come you don't hate this other thing?

01:47:08.000 And I'm like, well, because I don't like hating stuff.

01:47:09.000 I'm confused, though.

01:47:10.000 What about how I described either group would make any of them a villain?

01:47:14.000 They sound rather villainous when you describe them.

01:47:16.000 That's your moral values, not mine.

01:47:17.000 Okay.

01:47:18.000 If the left says overtly, and they do, there is no truth but power.

01:47:23.000 When they write books saying truth is a social construct, two plus two equals five, I'm not

01:47:28.000 making that up or assigning moral value to whether or not they're doing something right

01:47:31.000 or wrong.

01:47:32.000 You are.

01:47:33.000 If you say that sounds villainous, that's your morals.

01:47:37.000 Do you think it's villainous?

01:47:38.000 I think... Because you said they were evil a minute ago.

01:47:40.000 I mean, it sure sounds like you're attributing those moral values to them.

01:47:43.000 I think that... Well, when I described the group, I didn't say, well, you've got good people and evil people.

01:47:49.000 I said, no, the right tries to stand on a moral ground, like they're standing tall with their chest out saying, I'm going to be honest and be respectful of you and prove to you I am a good leader.

01:47:59.000 And the left says two plus two equals five.

01:48:01.000 It's right.

01:48:02.000 Get in line.

01:48:03.000 Have you heard of a guy named Eric Grossman?

01:48:05.000 Because I think he'd be interesting to check out.

01:48:07.000 He's not saying what you're saying, but it's sort of adjacent to what you're saying.

01:48:11.000 So the theory he has is that, and Trump is a big exception to this, but basically over the last 50 years that the Republicans both organize and think ideologically, or think in terms of abstract values, right?

01:48:28.000 Hence, the fights in Republican primaries tend to be who's the real Republican, who's

01:48:33.000 the real conservative, who's the rhino.

01:48:35.000 Right?

01:48:36.000 It's an ideological.

01:48:37.000 And then when you think about, like, if we were going to break down the Republican Party,

01:48:39.000 it would be ideological, right?

01:48:40.000 It would be, well, here are your neocons, here are your libertarians, here are your

01:48:44.000 social conservatives, here are your track cons, etc.

01:48:46.000 Democrats organize and think coalitionally.

01:48:49.000 So Democrats, when you look at how they organize, they're not really looking at it as progressives

01:48:54.000 They're looking at it like, well, we've got the Union, we've got Latin Americans, we've got gays, we've got all these.

01:49:00.000 They're thinking in terms of the component structure.

01:49:02.000 I think a lot of crosstalk happens because when progressives look at conservatives, because they think coalitionally, they see conservatives and go, well, all this ideological stuff has to be a smokescreen.

01:49:13.000 You're really just in it for the white guy.

01:49:15.000 Which is not true.

01:49:16.000 They're ideological.

01:49:17.000 I think a lot of the time conservatives do that when they look at progressives, where they go, because we think ideologically, you guys must be lying to us, and you must be secretly reading Marxist literature and stuff.

01:49:26.000 Whereas, I don't think Biden is that ideological.

01:49:29.000 I think that he's thinking in terms of unions, he's thinking in terms of all these things, but I don't think he's an ideologue.

01:49:34.000 I gotta be honest, I think you don't know enough about Joe Biden.

01:49:37.000 like you weren't aware that he was sharing bank accounts with his son. I think when you when you

01:49:41.000 look at all of the stories of the past you know seven years related to his family and the the

01:49:46.000 illicit dealings he had to assume that Joe Biden is thinking in terms of the working class is

01:49:51.000 completely out of line with the reported character that is Joe Biden. Well I'm not

01:49:54.000 making a character statement.

01:49:55.000 I'm just saying in terms of how he thinks, like, an ideologue isn't somebody who's like, I have a theory, I'm really philosophical, that kind of thing.

01:50:01.000 I don't think he's super philosophical.

01:50:04.000 I think that if he were here, he would say he's pragmatic.

01:50:07.000 Now, we could disagree as whether he's effective or not, but I don't think that he's like reading John Locke or reading Lepensky or something like that.

01:50:14.000 I just don't think his mind operates.

01:50:16.000 Kind of the same way, I don't think Trump is an ideologue either.

01:50:18.000 I don't think Trump is thinking of that.

01:50:19.000 I don't think Joe Biden, when it comes to how to get elected, has anything to do with unions or Latino voters or anything like that.

01:50:27.000 I think Joe Biden is thinking, what can I do, period, in terms of getting power?

01:50:33.000 You know, I want my son to have these special jobs where we can share a bank account and make money.

01:50:36.000 Get me elected, figure it out.

01:50:38.000 Joe Biden's the kind of guy who just throws money at the consultants and the organizations and says, figure out how to make it work.

01:50:44.000 I don't think, you know, you look at Donald Trump and I think he was a guy who was like, how do I get these people on my side?

01:50:53.000 And he didn't do a good job of it.

01:50:54.000 It's one of the reasons in 2018 the midterms flipped Democrats because people who voted for Trump in 2016 didn't come out and vote for Republicans because they didn't care.

01:51:01.000 It wasn't Trump.

01:51:02.000 Trump was ineffective at getting those people to stand up for a kind of movement.

01:51:06.000 I look at, you know, Pelosi and Schumer and truth be told, like Lindsey Graham especially, Kevin McCarthy and McConnell.

01:51:13.000 They're all very much cut from the same cloth.

01:51:14.000 They don't actually care about any of these groups.

01:51:17.000 They go to the consultant and say, figure out how to get me elected.

01:51:19.000 I think Lindsey Graham is proximity to power. 1.00

01:51:20.000 I think Lindsey Graham wants to be in the room where the stuff's happening. 1.00

01:51:23.000 We gotta go to Super Chats, and we went a little long, so we'll go a little long with Super Chats.

01:51:26.000 My apologies, but been having fun.

01:51:28.000 So, uh, smash that like button if you have not already, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and let's just read what people have to say.

01:51:36.000 All right.

01:51:39.000 Not-so-stealthy Yeti says Fauci caught COVID and had to hide.

01:51:43.000 Is that why he's been gone?

01:51:44.000 Well, Fauci came out, uh, and he was just like, it's a new variant, BA2, I think it's called.

01:51:50.000 Alright, Michael Brogan says, Andrew loved your Churchill video with Whiskey Tribe.

01:51:54.000 Informative and funny.

01:51:54.000 Thank you!

01:51:55.000 Would you ever do something like that again?

01:51:58.000 So, for people that are unfamiliar with this, Whiskey Tribe is a really fun YouTube program.

01:52:02.000 They're really into whiskey.

01:52:04.000 They invited me on because they wanted to see if we could drink and smoke as much as Winston Churchill in a day.

01:52:09.000 And I agreed to do that and consumed a tremendous amount of alcohol and about five cigars over the course of the day.

01:52:16.000 My voice is not fully recovered from it yet.

01:52:18.000 It was super fun.

01:52:19.000 I could not lead a world war.

01:52:21.000 I could maybe lead Belgium.

01:52:22.000 Like, I could lead a tiny country while doing that.

01:52:24.000 I definitely couldn't lead anything United Kingdom or larger.

01:52:28.000 I would be interested in doing something like that.

01:52:30.000 I wouldn't do it super often.

01:52:31.000 A couple of people have suggested Hunter S. Thompson.

01:52:33.000 I know I could not handle Hunter S. Thompson.

01:52:35.000 Yeah, so maybe but I'm gonna take a breather for a minute.

01:52:38.000 Churchill could drink a prodigious amount.

01:52:40.000 So this is actually funny.

01:52:41.000 We have we had the window open last night in the studio.

01:52:44.000 And I was recording with Seamus some some, you know, we were doing some bits like and people watching Chicken City could hear it.

01:52:44.000 Oh boy.

01:52:52.000 We're like, whoa, it sounds like someone's getting yelled at.

01:52:55.000 What they really heard was me yelling as Dr. Fauci.

01:52:58.000 It was like 40 minutes, I think, of me doing Fauci's voice.

01:53:03.000 I thought I was going to hack up blood doing his voice.

01:53:07.000 He actually did hack up blood.

01:53:08.000 I was like, Tim, the show must go on.

01:53:10.000 You don't get to step away from this right now.

01:53:14.000 All right, all right.

01:53:15.000 Let's read some more.

01:53:16.000 Mikkel Isaacson says, coming soon, Sweden joins NATO.

01:53:19.000 NATO troops come to Sweden just in time when it comes out that Sweden helped... Well, I can't read that, so... NATO troops take Sweden.

01:53:26.000 Oh, also, China is going to find biolabs in Taiwan when they evade in a couple of days' weeks. 0.99

01:53:30.000 I think... Are you referring to, like, justifications or something?

01:53:34.000 Sorry, YouTube blocks, actually, some of what your Super Chat was, so I can't read it.

01:53:39.000 All right.

01:53:41.000 The Lore Lodge says, Hey Tim, know you've been doing some more entertainment focused stuff and we would love to be a part of it.

01:53:48.000 Uh, well, I'm not familiar with what you guys do, but, uh, we definitely are working on some, uh, entertainment based stuff.

01:53:53.000 For sure.

01:53:54.000 We're doing, uh, the vlog is going to be shenanigans and comedic bits.

01:53:58.000 So we have, uh, some comedic bits.

01:54:00.000 We've got Seamus.

01:54:01.000 This guy helped with some of that.

01:54:03.000 Seamus makes jokes.

01:54:04.000 That's right.

01:54:05.000 Every now and again.

01:54:07.000 Daft N says, socialism is the ideology, communism is the pure implementation, or socialism respects some existing private property and communism eliminates private property.

01:54:15.000 I hear what you're saying, but I do think we kind of hit the nail on the head in terms of, you know, socialism being an economic system and communism being the ideological system, though. 0.99

01:54:25.000 Alright, let's grab some more stupid chits. 0.99

01:54:28.000 Let's see what we got. 1.00

01:54:29.000 Can I move on to scotch while you're doing that?

01:54:31.000 Yeah, go for it.

01:54:32.000 Because we're about halfway through, three quarters through.

01:54:34.000 So I should start drinking right now.

01:54:37.000 Yeah, we went a little long, so we've got, you know, 15 or 20 more minutes.

01:54:41.000 We'll read some more.

01:54:41.000 Oh great, I'll get drunk.

01:54:43.000 I'll be funny this latter half.

01:54:45.000 Alright, there you go.

01:54:46.000 Rob Short says, Seamus will grow potatoes for everyone so there is no food shortage.

01:54:50.000 On this, the day after the Feast of St.

01:54:53.000 Patrick, you make a racist comment towards me, an Irish-American, when I'm just trying to express my opinions.

01:55:02.000 I was surprised no one did anything on St.

01:55:04.000 Patrick's Day for you, to be honest.

01:55:05.000 I thought something was gonna happen.

01:55:06.000 I wore green pants.

01:55:07.000 Apparently, your audience is more respectful than you thought.

01:55:10.000 I mean, like, I thought someone here would get a cake.

01:55:10.000 No, no, no, no.

01:55:13.000 That would've been nice.

01:55:14.000 Like a green cake with like a... No one here cares that much about me.

01:55:16.000 Shame is what they had on me.

01:55:17.000 I wore these.

01:55:19.000 Happy St.

01:55:20.000 They're green.

01:55:20.000 Paddy's Day.

01:55:21.000 They're not really green.

01:55:22.000 I wore them yesterday and today.

01:55:24.000 I do appreciate that, I'll be honest.

01:55:26.000 I didn't know it was St.

01:55:27.000 Paddy's Day until the day of, and I was like, oh, really?

01:55:32.000 But it would have been fun to have gotten a green cake with a leprechaun on it.

01:55:35.000 It would have been fun to heckle me for my ethnicity.

01:55:37.000 We could do that any day.

01:55:40.000 I'm Irish, I contribute.

01:55:42.000 Hey, I'm Irish, too.

01:55:44.000 I am, too.

01:55:45.000 Are you Irish?

01:55:45.000 A little bit.

01:55:46.000 A little bit, there you go.

01:55:47.000 Everyone is a little bit.

01:55:48.000 But I have to wear it because my name is Seamus.

01:55:50.000 You guys have passing privilege.

01:55:51.000 You have passing privilege.

01:55:52.000 You can go other places and tell people your name and they won't know your ethnicity.

01:55:55.000 Isn't Timothy Daniel Irish?

01:55:57.000 Yeah, but Tim is a name that a lot of people who are not Irish will still use because it's more normal sounding.

01:56:03.000 Like, no one has named their kid Seamus in the United States for 80 years.

01:56:06.000 It's not one person, just you.

01:56:08.000 Not one.

01:56:08.000 I'm the only one.

01:56:09.000 We've checked.

01:56:10.000 You can say Seamus and say you're the only one.

01:56:12.000 I could, honestly.

01:56:13.000 I mean, people do when they read my name off of paper.

01:56:16.000 Indeed they do.

01:56:17.000 We're McGill's on my dad's side of the family, which is a Scottish name.

01:56:21.000 And I looked into McGill.

01:56:22.000 McGill means son of a stranger.

01:56:24.000 So, the McMaster family.

01:56:28.000 We're the McMasters.

01:56:29.000 Why don't we keep that?

01:56:30.000 That sounds so much cooler.

01:56:32.000 No one's going to try and sack McMaster Castle.

01:56:35.000 Deliopolis says, Tim, do you ever get the feeling that in about 12 months, you'll be talking about Zelensky the same way you talk about Dr. Fauci now?

01:56:42.000 He is the Andrew Cuomo of 2022.

01:56:44.000 He is indeed.

01:56:44.000 Without spoiling a joke that Seamus wrote.

01:56:47.000 Oh boy, yeah, so we're working.

01:56:49.000 Don't you worry, we are working on a cartoon about it now.

01:56:52.000 Of course we are!

01:56:53.000 So that one was actually really easy.

01:56:55.000 We recorded that in like five minutes.

01:56:56.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 And then the other one took a half an hour.

01:56:58.000 It's funny because the second one we recorded is gonna be much less intensive with respect to the animation work, but it took a long time to record.

01:57:05.000 All of the work was in the audio.

01:57:07.000 Right, it was me doing the voice of Dr. Fauci.

01:57:09.000 But, you know, Seamus is directing, so I gotta keep doing the line over and over again and getting the nuance and everything right.

01:57:15.000 I'm a diva as a director.

01:57:16.000 But it sounds... So there's like a rough edit.

01:57:18.000 It's hilarious.

01:57:18.000 Sounds perfect, yeah.

01:57:20.000 Oh man.

01:57:20.000 But actually, I actually think the other one might end up being funnier.

01:57:23.000 What?

01:57:23.000 Just be... Excuse me?

01:57:25.000 They're both your bits.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, honestly, that's... They're both... After we laughed and laughed while recording it.

01:57:31.000 It was funny listening to it.

01:57:32.000 All right.

01:57:32.000 Right.

01:57:33.000 Donovan Davis says, currently reading Plato's The Republic, and it covers the topics to

01:57:40.000 a T. Reference the section Socrates is discussing the hypothetical city and the regimes, rulers

01:57:46.000 of said regimes.

01:57:47.000 Note that he says the rulers should be philosophers.

01:57:50.000 Of course they should.

01:57:51.000 And good luck reading The Republic.

01:57:53.000 Gosh.

01:57:54.000 Yeah.

01:57:54.000 It's wild.

01:57:55.000 Centralized power is bad.

01:57:56.000 That's just about it.

01:57:57.000 You know, every time you get someone who thinks they know how to make everything work, they end up just killing everybody.

01:58:01.000 The problem is extreme in any direction is bad, because extreme pluralism, you were saying earlier, is to the point where it's like live and let live, to the point where communists or some dangerous entity can come in and set up shop and no one stops them because everyone's so pluralist.

01:58:15.000 So you need authority.

01:58:16.000 You just got to find that balance.

01:58:18.000 We're like those philosopher kings.

01:58:21.000 This is all government, but in particular people that are prone to Philosopher King thinking.

01:58:25.000 No government on the planet ever has been able to mandate what you should want in your heart.

01:58:32.000 Governments can do incentives, they can't do intentions.

01:58:35.000 And the Philosopher King people never ever get that, where they're like, you have to be nice to these people now.

01:58:41.000 It doesn't work that way.

01:58:43.000 Everybody in your company has to make X. You're like, fine, I'm going to fire the bottom half of the company.

01:58:47.000 I have to read this next super chat.

01:58:48.000 Oh boy.

01:58:49.000 You ready for this one?

01:58:50.000 Rye Lion says, I think if I were a woman and I just listened to Tim explain the Biden-Ukraine corruption, I'd go get a pregnancy test.

01:58:58.000 Whoa, what?

01:58:59.000 That's some deep knowledge.

01:59:00.000 That's wild.

01:59:02.000 Yeah, that was a bit intense.

01:59:03.000 That information will start to do this.

01:59:04.000 But that was a good joke.

01:59:07.000 And of course, I'm going to read the compliments for myself.

01:59:09.000 Yeah, of course.

01:59:11.000 Always.

01:59:11.000 And the insults remain.

01:59:12.000 Every seer says, Tim, do you think the second amendment right to keep and bear arms extends

01:59:16.000 to explosives such as fireworks?

01:59:18.000 Yes, absolutely 100%.

01:59:20.000 He's talking about nukes the other day.

01:59:21.000 Yeah, I know.

01:59:22.000 Can you buy a cannon in America?

01:59:24.000 Yes, you can.

01:59:25.000 You can?

01:59:26.000 You can.

01:59:26.000 Do you have a cannon?

01:59:27.000 No.

01:59:28.000 My grandfather did.

01:59:28.000 You should get a cannon.

01:59:30.000 Yes.

01:59:30.000 Look, I've got a Civil War rifled musket over there.

01:59:33.000 It's the same principle.

01:59:34.000 You know, you're going to stuff it with powder and then put the ball in and then... It's funny that, you know, Joe Biden's like, you can't buy a cannon.

01:59:40.000 And it's like, you could always buy a cannon.

01:59:41.000 You can still buy a cannon.

01:59:42.000 I think you could crown... I think your supporters would buy you a cannon.

01:59:45.000 They're not that expensive.

01:59:46.000 A couple hundred bucks.

01:59:47.000 If you ask people to buy... How much is it?

01:59:48.000 A couple hundred bucks.

01:59:49.000 For a cannon?

01:59:50.000 Yeah!

01:59:50.000 So I could buy a cannon?

01:59:51.000 Yes!

01:59:52.000 I'm gonna buy a cannon.

01:59:53.000 Do it.

01:59:53.000 That sounds great.

01:59:54.000 You can't let everyone know.

01:59:55.000 It's so loud.

01:59:56.000 You're talking about technology.

01:59:57.000 I'm gonna have a long cannon.

01:59:58.000 You have lost your tactical advantage now that everyone knows.

02:00:01.000 No, this is great, because I live in Texas, right?

02:00:03.000 But I don't own any guns, so when people are like, yeah, what kind of gun do you have?

02:00:06.000 I'm like, I own a cannon.

02:00:07.000 Like, this is the only one.

02:00:08.000 It's a cannon.

02:00:09.000 Bring it out for the Fourth of July.

02:00:10.000 Yes, that's what my grandfather did.

02:00:12.000 Really?

02:00:12.000 Yeah, he did.

02:00:13.000 How much does a kayak cost?

02:00:15.000 Two, $300?

02:00:16.000 Now imagine going back several hundred years and crafting one.

02:00:20.000 I'd imagine it would actually be substantially more buying power,

02:00:24.000 because you know, inflation, whatever.

02:00:26.000 Like someone would take a long time to build you a vessel.

02:00:28.000 They hand made those kayaks, now they're just a plastic mold.

02:00:31.000 So same thing with cannons?

02:00:32.000 Yes.

02:00:33.000 So I can just, so literally, I'm just gonna go buy a cannon when we're done.

02:00:36.000 I'm gonna hop on eBay.

02:00:36.000 I'm just searching buy cannon right now on the rift.

02:00:38.000 Let's see if it will come up.

02:00:39.000 Yeah, it's a big hunk of metal.

02:00:41.000 It's not complicated.

02:00:42.000 I'm gonna get, okay, so.

02:00:43.000 Now hold on, you wanna get a howitzer?

02:00:45.000 All right, now we're talking about.

02:00:46.000 I want an ornamental, I want a cannon where like theoretically

02:00:49.000 if somebody's invading me, I can irritate them briefly.

02:00:51.000 Yes.

02:00:51.000 That's what I want.

02:00:52.000 I want to be able to, like, put a- That's the goal of life.

02:00:54.000 I want to be able to put a hole through a Volvo.

02:00:56.000 Yes.

02:00:56.000 That's what I want.

02:00:57.000 I'm not- I'm not- Steam cannons dot com.

02:01:01.000 Just a place where you can look at cannons if you're interested.

02:01:03.000 I just- first one that popped up.

02:01:04.000 You can buy a tank.

02:01:05.000 What?

02:01:06.000 You didn't know that?

02:01:06.000 These cannons are nice, too.

02:01:08.000 Okay, this is my new goal for the political orphanage, is to get my people to buy me a tank.

02:01:13.000 I thought everyone says you're on the center, when you argue with them.

02:01:17.000 Yeah, but I really love novelty, and owning a tank, like, I don't even care, the tank would be cool.

02:01:21.000 Well, we'll paint it pink or something, so I'm a centrist.

02:01:24.000 That'd be great.

02:01:25.000 So, I got in trouble because I said that the Second Amendment covers nukes and biological weapons.

02:01:30.000 It does.

02:01:32.000 It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

02:01:34.000 Now some people might not like that it does and might argue that we shouldn't allow people to have nukes.

02:01:39.000 Second Amendment absolutely does cover any weapon that anyone could have and this is easily proven.

02:01:45.000 Halliburton and the private organizations, Lockheed Martin, they're private institutions that have these weapons.

02:01:51.000 They're not the government.

02:01:52.000 Do they control nukes?

02:01:54.000 I don't know who, but look, the government doesn't make their weapons.

02:01:59.000 They buy them from contractors.

02:02:01.000 So Boeing makes the planes.

02:02:02.000 Boeing owns them and Boeing does the tests on them.

02:02:04.000 They control it.

02:02:05.000 They fly them.

02:02:06.000 That's privately owned weapons.

02:02:08.000 I'm going to be honest with you.

02:02:09.000 I don't want to buy a nuke.

02:02:10.000 I just, like, I see what you're trying to do.

02:02:11.000 I thought you liked novelty.

02:02:12.000 No, even if you paint it pink, I'm going to get the tank.

02:02:15.000 A nuke seems like everyone's going to want to come over and touch the nuke.

02:02:18.000 I'm going to have to get like an alarm system for my nuke.

02:02:21.000 I don't want to do that.

02:02:21.000 I just want to get a tank.

02:02:23.000 Alright, let's read this from Art Vandelay.

02:02:25.000 He says, Ian, you need to read Thomas Sowell.

02:02:27.000 In the 1960s, black people had 90% of white per capita income and 80% two-parent homes.

02:02:34.000 Lyndon B. Johnson, LBJ, and the Dems, great society program that put this in reverse and no one talks about how this destroyed families.

02:02:42.000 I've heard a lot of stuff about the Great Society and know very little about it.

02:02:45.000 Thomas Sowell is a national treasure.

02:02:46.000 It is a shame that he does not have a Nobel Prize in Economics.

02:02:53.000 We can all agree on that.

02:02:53.000 Thomas Sowell is amazing.

02:02:54.000 Except for Ian.

02:02:57.000 His tank is great.

02:02:58.000 And he didn't paint his pink.

02:03:01.000 And you know what?

02:03:01.000 I don't think he had a problem with it.

02:03:04.000 His tank's see-through, it's colorblind.

02:03:06.000 It just applies to geophysics.

02:03:07.000 You can buy a cannon, you can buy a tank.

02:03:09.000 But thanks to the National Firearms Act, it's very difficult to get a crew-served .50 BMG.

02:03:15.000 Maybe you wouldn't do .50.

02:03:16.000 I think people were saying there's another caliber for crew-served machine guns.

02:03:19.000 I just want crew-served.

02:03:19.000 That's all I care about.

02:03:21.000 What's a crew-served machine gun?

02:03:22.000 It's like when you have that big mounted gun and then one guy's holding the belt and feeding you and the other guy's doing a butterfly trigger.

02:03:30.000 What Nancy Pelosi wanted on January 6th.

02:03:31.000 That's right. 0.98

02:03:32.000 Yeah, she asked for it and they were like, are you nuts? 0.99

02:03:36.000 What? 0.90

02:03:36.000 She wanted machine guns? 0.90

02:03:37.000 I think she said belt-fed, but everyone was like crew-served.

02:03:40.000 I had, wow, okay.

02:03:41.000 That's wild, right?

02:03:42.000 I think she requested it specifically.

02:03:44.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:03:45.000 And they told her like, you're crazy.

02:03:46.000 We're not doing that. 0.94

02:03:47.000 Yes.

02:03:47.000 Like that.

02:03:48.000 You're gonna, we're gonna do riddle the walls of the buildings

02:03:50.000 in DC when guys are like, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh.

02:03:52.000 I typed in best crew served BMG.

02:03:56.000 It came up with a Sig Sauer's MG 30, 338.

02:03:59.000 Have you ever heard of that thing?

02:04:00.000 Heavy machine gun?

02:04:01.000 I think someone said that to me, actually.

02:04:02.000 It says it bridges the gap between the crew served M2 Browning heavy machine gun and the M240.

02:04:07.000 Well, you know, sometimes.

02:04:09.000 I can't wait for my homeowner's association to have to talk to me about the cannon I put in my front yard.

02:04:15.000 And they look awesome!

02:04:16.000 It has nothing to do with a fence.

02:04:18.000 It has nothing to do with a pool.

02:04:19.000 You don't have any jurisdiction here.

02:04:20.000 I'm keeping the cannon in my yard.

02:04:23.000 I pay my dues!

02:04:24.000 Show me I can't own a cannon!

02:04:27.000 You can.

02:04:28.000 Yeah, one of the stories I was reading about that I love to tell is when a guy was in his tank firing a full auto .50 caliber into his own, like, lake.

02:04:37.000 And the cops showed up and then he stopped and he's like, he's like, what can I do for you?

02:04:40.000 And the cops were like, is this your tank?

02:04:42.000 He's like, yes, it is.

02:04:43.000 And they're like, is this your land?

02:04:44.000 Yes, it is.

02:04:44.000 And they went, have a nice day.

02:04:45.000 And they just drove off.

02:04:46.000 You know what you have to do?

02:04:47.000 You just have to get a bunch of cannons by every single window and then have them half poking out like a pirate ship.

02:04:53.000 No one's going to rob you.

02:04:55.000 And let's see if that HOI tries to come after you. 0.98

02:04:57.000 Let's see if that HOA is going to come pick a fight. 1.00

02:05:00.000 My blazer collection will be safe.

02:05:03.000 Yes, I love it.

02:05:05.000 Alright, let's read some more.

02:05:09.000 Blankout says, member here with an idea request.

02:05:11.000 Please read.

02:05:12.000 You know the Biden Burisma better than most.

02:05:14.000 Create a high quality docuseries walking through the evidence with visual aids.

02:05:18.000 Clear citation, video news clips.

02:05:19.000 I will increase my monthly member fee for it.

02:05:22.000 That's a good idea.

02:05:22.000 Let's do a cartoon.

02:05:23.000 Let's do an educational cartoon on it.

02:05:24.000 Oh, but that would be like 20 minutes.

02:05:26.000 But honestly, you'd be surprised.

02:05:28.000 We can talk about it later, but I've been working with the Foundation for Economic Education for like five years to compress these really complex ideas into short cartoons, so we might not be able to get all of it in there, but I think we can get a really good comprehensive thing done.

02:05:38.000 I kind of feel like there's people...

02:05:42.000 I have a good grasp of an overhead view of a lot of these issues.

02:05:47.000 I read Matt Taibbi's reporting on this and he got into the nitty-gritty.

02:05:50.000 He pulled up some facts which were absolutely astounding, notably that Victor Shokin, the prosecutor, was investigating Mykola Zlachevsky, which the media denied over and over again.

02:06:00.000 And then he came out and said a cursory review of Ukrainian court documents show, I think it was like legal documents, that there were like 12 different active investigations and like several that had been suspended but were still active, like that had been on hold but were still active when Biden came in and did this.

02:06:17.000 So we have to pull up a lot of that old research and stuff and make sure we get all the facts right, but we could do it.

02:06:22.000 Awesome.

02:06:23.000 That would be a good 20 minutes.

02:06:24.000 That'd be really entertaining.

02:06:25.000 If it was well animated, I would sit there and watch it for 20 minutes.

02:06:28.000 That was just great listening to you earlier.

02:06:31.000 We could do multiple versions too.

02:06:32.000 If it was 20 minutes, it would have to be some infographics type thing, and even that's a stretch, but I'm telling you, you can compress some really complex things into short videos if you know how to do the visuals right.

02:06:42.000 All right.

02:06:43.000 Austin Walters says, simplest way to show the truth divide.

02:06:46.000 Go to CNN or MSNBC and look for external links.

02:06:49.000 There will be none.

02:06:50.000 Then go to Newsmax, Fox, or Daily Wire and you can see the citations.

02:06:53.000 Same with Vodder, Crowder.

02:06:54.000 Yeah, they cite everything.

02:06:55.000 Yep.

02:06:56.000 Yeah, it's fascinating.

02:06:57.000 That's why we use NewsGuard.

02:06:58.000 You ever hear of them?

02:07:00.000 No.

02:07:00.000 They're very biased, but they give ratings to various news outlets.

02:07:03.000 It's a good idea.

02:07:04.000 Well, I like using it because...

02:07:08.000 When people are like, you know, Tim Pool pushed this story or whatever, I'm like, take it up with NewsGuard.

02:07:13.000 Like, it's their certification, not mine.

02:07:15.000 So.

02:07:17.000 I wonder how they feel about it.

02:07:18.000 They get accused of bias all the time, though, from the left and the right.

02:07:21.000 So I'm imagining it's not an easy business to be in, trying to be like, this side is good, this side is bad.

02:07:26.000 But look, they give the Daily Wire a green rating.

02:07:29.000 They give Fox News.

02:07:30.000 When NewsGuard gave Fox News a green certification, the left lost their minds.

02:07:35.000 They're like, Fox News is lying and fake news!

02:07:37.000 And the News Guard people were like, no they're not.

02:07:39.000 Like, Fox News legitimately reports the news.

02:07:41.000 You just don't like their opinions.

02:07:43.000 I used to work at Fox Business, and I have to say, there's a difference between Fox News and Fox Opinion.

02:07:48.000 And you can take your difference with Fox Opinion, but that is opinion, right?

02:07:51.000 The actual people that are writing the stories, and we were rigorously fact-checking things as well.

02:07:55.000 If I put something in a script, I had to be very careful about the facts going into it.

02:07:59.000 Oh wow, that's interesting.

02:08:00.000 Vasht says Mac is Gaelic for son of.

02:08:03.000 Yeah.

02:08:03.000 So it's neither Scottish or Irish in origin.

02:08:05.000 Same with M.C.

02:08:06.000 It's just shortened.

02:08:07.000 So M's, but M.C.

02:08:08.000 is generally the Irish spelling and M.A.C.

02:08:10.000 is generally the Scottish spelling. 0.98

02:08:12.000 So we're not bastards? 0.96

02:08:13.000 Yeah, but no, it is son of. 1.00

02:08:15.000 No, we're still bastards. 0.99

02:08:16.000 I can't speak for you. 0.99

02:08:17.000 No, we for sure aren't.

02:08:19.000 Yeah, you're like, oh no, I can tell, yeah.

02:08:22.000 All right, Matthew Headinghouse says, this has been the best conversation and debate I've heard in years.

02:08:27.000 I mean, literally, just awesome from everyone on the show tonight.

02:08:30.000 Solid 20.

02:08:30.000 Thank you very much.

02:08:31.000 Yeah, I think this is actually a blast.

02:08:33.000 That's why I went a little long, because we're having a good time.

02:08:35.000 No, it was great.

02:08:35.000 Except for what Ian said about religion, but everything else was great.

02:08:41.000 Tim, it's really refreshing to be able to have a conversation like this with someone, where we can come in like, I still like you.

02:08:47.000 I'm having a good time.

02:08:48.000 You're close.

02:08:48.000 But you're close.

02:08:52.000 It was enjoyable because it was one of those nights where I'm like, I'm not saying much, Seamus isn't saying much, but you guys were in it and it was really good.

02:08:57.000 I'm gonna rewatch it.

02:08:58.000 I think it was mostly me going off.

02:09:00.000 Yeah, but the Ukraine stuff is key.

02:09:01.000 Yeah, you guys screamed at him.

02:09:03.000 You smacked him.

02:09:03.000 I threw a bottle at him at one point.

02:09:06.000 Did you guys cut that out?

02:09:07.000 Talking about how looking at things from two polarities and looking at things like, I think you said, what was the different circles that are all connecting to each other?

02:09:14.000 What do you call those?

02:09:15.000 Yeah, the Venn diagrams.

02:09:16.000 I have a Jackson Pollock thing in my mind.

02:09:18.000 Ian, you just believe in that for no reason.

02:09:19.000 I'm a big Venn diagram guy.

02:09:21.000 Anyway, it was fun and thank you.

02:09:22.000 I enjoyed that.

02:09:23.000 There are interesting visualizations about how YouTube groups the left and the right.

02:09:29.000 The funny thing is, there was this researcher who did an assessment of YouTube channels, left and right, and there were a small handful of channels that were separate from all.

02:09:37.000 There was left, center, and right, and then exclusively critical of left.

02:09:41.000 And it was funny because I was like, why do you think that?

02:09:44.000 You know, how do you come up with that category?

02:09:46.000 And it's like, well, you're only criticizing this one group.

02:09:50.000 And I'm like, it's just weird that that idea is born.

02:09:55.000 Like that worldview is born out of how I describe this.

02:10:00.000 If you can't understand that there are people who are on the left that are critical of critical race theory and, you know, that kind of stuff, you're confused by what you're watching and it doesn't fit your worldview, so you have to give it its own isolated... I was like, is it simple enough to just say we're centrists?

02:10:17.000 We are people who have left-wing political views and are critical of people that are supposedly on the left, so that's not an exclusively critical of left thing because we also espouse left-wing views?

02:10:27.000 I want to make a point here because this is really, really important.

02:10:31.000 It's a massive part of the puzzle.

02:10:32.000 There are people who exclusively criticize the left, but that is a very different thing to do from a left-wing perspective versus a right-wing perspective.

02:10:40.000 So Jimmy Dore criticizes the left from a left-wing perspective and says they're not really standing for the values that they claim to be standing for. 0.97

02:10:47.000 They're hypocritical. 0.94

02:10:48.000 I criticize the left from a right-wing perspective. 0.99

02:10:51.000 It is totally different.

02:10:53.000 But we're criticizing the same group, but for different reasons. 0.96

02:10:55.000 So to lump us in the exact same category and say we're ideological allies is ridiculous. 0.62

02:10:59.000 The weirdest thing to me was that... Even though I would agree with him on some things.

02:11:01.000 You know, Jimmy Adore is... I think Jimmy's a socialist.

02:11:04.000 You know, I always say I think because I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I'm pretty

02:11:07.000 sure he's like pretty left.

02:11:09.000 And it's weird to me that I'm not left enough for the left to be forced.

02:11:13.000 You know, when they when they talk about Jimmy Dore, they call him on the left and put an

02:11:16.000 asterisk next to his name because they're like, but he's a, you know, shill for Russia 0.88

02:11:20.000 or whatever they're saying about him.

02:11:22.000 And for me, I'm like, I made a video supporting the Green New Deal.

02:11:26.000 What is that bug? 0.76

02:11:27.000 He doesn't have a stinger on him or a proboscis, so I don't think he's gonna suck your blood. 0.97

02:11:27.000 I don't know. 0.97

02:11:31.000 Yeah, there's a weird giant bug.

02:11:33.000 It looks like a mosquito.

02:11:34.000 It's from Texas, I'm sorry.

02:11:35.000 I brought that with me.

02:11:37.000 Oh, thank you.

02:11:39.000 Alright, let's see.

02:11:40.000 And bad bugs, sorry about that.

02:11:43.000 Oh my gosh, Andrew!

02:11:44.000 There's one more thing I want to mention with respect to this.

02:11:46.000 Often people saying that they aren't a member of a particular group can, at least in some circumstances, indicate that that group's values.

02:11:53.000 It can indicate that no one believes in it anymore.

02:11:55.000 It can also indicate that that group's values have become so ubiquitous that people hold their values without acknowledging it.

02:12:00.000 So oftentimes people will say things like, You know, I don't believe in feminism, but I believe X, Y, and Z, referring to more, like, classically feminist values.

02:12:09.000 And what they're essentially saying is, I give assent to all the things forwarded by feminists a hundred years ago.

02:12:13.000 I don't like this current version, but in some sense, they're still promoting feminist assumptions. 0.96

02:12:17.000 I think the issue is... And it's the same with left-wing assumptions.

02:12:19.000 When people criticize the left from the left, they're still promoting left-wing assumptions, so it's not the same thing as being on the right at all.

02:12:24.000 Left and right don't actually describe politics, they describe tribes.

02:12:28.000 So when someone says, Tim Pool's clearly not on the left, it's because they're referring to tribe, not policy.

02:12:33.000 When people say Jimmy Dore is a leftist, but he's a right-winger and they're confused by it, it's because his politics are too similar to theirs, but he doesn't like them or agree with them.

02:12:43.000 I think you're right about that.

02:12:44.000 We're living in a really, really tribal time.

02:12:46.000 It's a very tribal time.

02:12:47.000 By design.

02:12:48.000 By design.

02:12:50.000 I think that the political parties and people in power know that it's a lot harder to win elections based on actually coming up with solutions to problems.

02:12:58.000 It's a lot easier to get people to vote out of fear and hate.

02:13:01.000 And so they're doing that.

02:13:02.000 And we live in a weird period where people don't really care about what you think.

02:13:07.000 They care about the word choice you use to describe what you think.

02:13:11.000 Did you say patriot or social justice?

02:13:12.000 That's all I care about.

02:13:13.000 Dude, I saw the Jussie Smollett sentencing and the judge was like, the word that starts with an N...

02:13:21.000 And then he went on, and I'm like, you can't even, in a court of law, you can't even say that word out loud?

02:13:25.000 Like, this is what the world is coming to?

02:13:27.000 That's a great example of secular versus non-secular thinking, right?

02:13:30.000 Like, so I'm going to make the case that, like, uber-progressives tend to be, like, religious, right?

02:13:35.000 I think you were talking about this.

02:13:37.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

02:13:37.000 So, like, and I'm saying this as the friendly, low-wattage agnostic here in the group.

02:13:42.000 I'm saying this as the secular person at the table.

02:13:45.000 I think that there's a tremendous amount of people in the United States that would have

02:13:48.000 been what we call religious a hundred years ago and they've taken that religiosity and 0.96

02:13:52.000 applied it to politics.

02:13:53.000 And a good example of that is do you believe in the concept of magic words?

02:13:58.000 So like a magic word would be, I would say to your point Ian, there are certain words

02:14:02.000 you can say in a court of law and it has no moral opprobrium associated with it.

02:14:08.000 Yeah, opprobrium.

02:14:09.000 Or if you're in your basement and you say it by yourself.

02:14:10.000 But there are other people who are like, no.

02:14:12.000 It is a cosmic affront to morality to ever utter a certain word in the same way that you can't say like Jehovah.

02:14:18.000 Because that's like rights?

02:14:19.000 That's that division between secular thinking and religious thinking.

02:14:22.000 And there are people who completely disagree with that worldview who know the people of institutional power and believe in that worldview will destroy you.

02:14:31.000 Look at Joe Rogan.

02:14:34.000 I think you're right.

02:14:35.000 Joe Rogan, like, he initially got in trouble because he was bringing on different voices regarding vaccines and whatnot, which, by the way, is how you challenge ossified orthodoxy.

02:14:45.000 Like, when you've got An opinion that becomes not only ubiquitous but unquestioned.

02:14:52.000 That's when you make really bad decisions.

02:14:54.000 You need to have people asking questions that challenge orthodoxy.

02:14:57.000 And a lot of the time, they're cranks.

02:14:59.000 And a lot of the time, they're from the periphery until they're right.

02:15:02.000 Because, like, the heliocentric worldview was crank until it was challenged, right?

02:15:07.000 He got in trouble for that.

02:15:08.000 And then what did they do?

02:15:08.000 It didn't stick.

02:15:09.000 They went and found examples of him saying the N-word that were taken out of context.

02:15:13.000 And then went, well, he's racist.

02:15:14.000 You have to cancel him now, right? 0.90

02:15:15.000 And then he caved.

02:15:18.000 You know, we had Papa John on the show and they really, it's all lies.

02:15:22.000 Do you know Papa John's story?

02:15:24.000 Papa John was on a private phone call.

02:15:26.000 He was having, it was like a business meeting.

02:15:29.000 It's been years since I talked about it, but he was complaining about how Colonel Sanders used the N word and no one seemed to care.

02:15:36.000 But he actually said the full word.

02:15:38.000 So he was castigating somebody for using the N-word.

02:15:40.000 He just happened to say it.

02:15:41.000 They destroyed his life.

02:15:42.000 Really?

02:15:42.000 They kicked him out of the company.

02:15:43.000 They took his name off of schools.

02:15:47.000 News stories were published saying he used the N-word.

02:15:50.000 The news stories about Joe Rogan were that he used the N-word.

02:15:53.000 No, no, no.

02:15:53.000 He said it descriptively, criticizing the use of it.

02:15:58.000 Context and intention matter.

02:15:59.000 But this is why I say, you know, look, at a certain point after, you know, ten years of living through this, you gotta recognize there is, in whatever fashions they are, one is lying all the time.

02:16:10.000 The right falls for it sometimes, truth be told, but I can, look, if you go through, name a story from Black Lives Matter with one of their riots that turned out to be the way they described it. 0.87

02:16:21.000 Anything?

02:16:22.000 I don't know, I'm drinking now.

02:16:23.000 I mean, look, the latest example being Ahmaud Arbery.

02:16:26.000 You said, oh, that guy who was the jogger.

02:16:28.000 He was not jogging.

02:16:30.000 Objectively not jogging.

02:16:32.000 And even the prosecutor in the case against the guys said he was a felony burglary suspect who was being pursued.

02:16:38.000 The question is, did they have a right to pursue him or not?

02:16:41.000 The jury decided they didn't.

02:16:43.000 That's why they were convicted.

02:16:44.000 Now, they also got the hate crime charges.

02:16:45.000 But get this, the guy who filmed it got convicted.

02:16:49.000 All he did was saw Arbery running and started filming what was happening and they said he was in on it so he goes to prison too.

02:16:49.000 Yep.

02:16:55.000 For the rest of his life.

02:16:57.000 He was in a car following behind, and because he was following behind, it made it seem like he was pinning the guy in.

02:16:57.000 What?

02:17:04.000 So, like, the primary evidence they have in this was provided by that guy?

02:17:09.000 Yes, and now he's going to prison.

02:17:10.000 For the rest of his life.

02:17:12.000 Clearly, they lied.

02:17:14.000 When you're locking up the guy who presented the evidence, it sounds to me more like they're saying, you embarrassed us.

02:17:20.000 So you guys can all go rot for all we care.

02:17:23.000 But what's the official narrative? 0.71

02:17:24.000 That a guy was jogging 20 miles from his house in work boots, and that some racists pinned him and then killed him?

02:17:30.000 The real story is, a neighborhood plagued by burglaries, police went around and said, here's a picture of the guy, security camera footage showed him committing felony burglary, because people need to understand, I don't know if it was felony burglary, but people need to understand that burglary is not breaking into someone's house and robbing them, it's breaking into someone's house.

02:17:47.000 We're learning this the hard way right now.

02:17:48.000 So when they had evidence of him entering a home, it's not trespassing, The police then say, here's the guy.

02:17:54.000 A gun was stolen.

02:17:55.000 A couple weeks later, they see him.

02:17:57.000 These guys should not have chased after him, in my opinion.

02:18:00.000 But they decided to.

02:18:03.000 They cut him off.

02:18:04.000 They went past him on a different street and stopped.

02:18:07.000 One of the guys got out.

02:18:08.000 He had a shotgun.

02:18:09.000 Probably because, I could be speculating, but this guy, they believed, may have stolen a gun.

02:18:14.000 Perhaps it's wrong to make that assumption, but someone did steal a gun and this guy was a suspect, so... It's not illegal to stand in a street with a gun.

02:18:21.000 Ahmed Arbery then ran around the right side of the truck and then as soon as he got to the front of the truck jumped

02:18:26.000 left and attacked one of the McMichaels, the younger one who had the gun, fighting for the shotgun trying to take it.

02:18:30.000 It's called dual possession. 0.85

02:18:31.000 The shotgun went off, shooting him in the chest and killing him.

02:18:34.000 The guy who filmed it is going to prison.

02:18:36.000 These two guys were, the media said they lynched a guy who was jogging.

02:18:39.000 The real story is much more nuanced than this. 0.89

02:18:41.000 And the reality is a couple of guys who were probably dumb to do what they did were trying to stop what they thought 0.91

02:18:46.000 was a burglary. 0.80

02:18:47.000 And perhaps they were racist in their assumptions about him, but either way, if the cops go to your house and say, this is the guy, someone's running around in work boots, having been seen on security camera, after a gun was stolen, I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the neighborhood freaked out about it.

02:19:00.000 It's tragic, man.

02:19:01.000 But what needs to be brought up is, Ahmed Arbery attacked them.

02:19:04.000 You could argue that he was justified if you surround if as a guy behind me in a car and two guys pull up and

02:19:09.000 We thought it gets out with a shotgun Maybe maybe I'd attack him too right my interpretation

02:19:14.000 My point is I just real quick is that the media line media like if everybody in that neighborhood had had a lawn cannon

02:19:19.000 Which is what I'm planning to get when we conclude this show

02:19:22.000 You can't get close to it.

02:19:22.000 I don't think that would happen.

02:19:24.000 Just a single lawn cannon?

02:19:24.000 I thought you were going to put them in the windows.

02:19:26.000 Didn't we agree?

02:19:27.000 In all seriousness... What I could afford my own home instead of a duplex.

02:19:31.000 Just a single cannon.

02:19:32.000 Hold on, you got those cannons sticking out of your window. 0.95

02:19:35.000 But in all seriousness, whoever was burglarizing the neighborhood, be it Arbery or otherwise, stole one of their guns.

02:19:41.000 So it's like even when these people had set up security cameras and were armed, it was months of this going on.

02:19:47.000 And it's much more complicated than that.

02:19:50.000 So you can argue these guys were in the wrong and it shouldn't have happened.

02:19:52.000 And I'm personally, I'm sad that anybody died.

02:19:55.000 But that's not what the media said.

02:19:57.000 And to this day, the left will tell you a guy who was innocently jogging was lynched.

02:20:01.000 That has been every single story.

02:20:04.000 Remember, hands up, don't shoot.

02:20:05.000 That was a lie.

02:20:06.000 Michael Brown did not have his hands up.

02:20:08.000 The coroner, I think it was Obama's Justice Department, found that he actually had his hands down and he was lunging towards the cop, Darren Wilson.

02:20:16.000 But they've lied, and they've lied, and they've lied.

02:20:18.000 I mean, look at the George Floyd story.

02:20:20.000 Everything they said about that, man, boy, did it turn out to be false.

02:20:23.000 Should anybody die in these situations?

02:20:24.000 No.

02:20:25.000 Are cops responsible?

02:20:26.000 In many of these cases, yes.

02:20:27.000 But they just keep lying to us, and they justify violence and destruction.

02:20:32.000 I'm gonna keep ranting about this, because I do so often, so, you know, we'll wrap it up there.

02:20:36.000 We've gone a bit long.

02:20:36.000 I don't know if you guys have anything you want to say before we bounce out.

02:20:39.000 I mentioned before that the Catholic Church had killed Galileo.

02:20:42.000 In fact, no, they just put him in prison for saying that the sun was the center of the universe.

02:20:46.000 So, it was fake news at the time, and they tried to cancel him.

02:20:50.000 He did die in prison, but the church didn't actually kill him.

02:20:52.000 I wanted to clarify that.

02:20:54.000 Also, the Brave search engine, which I've been experimenting with, I've been in touch with business ops over at Brave, and there are ways you can go to search.brave.com, slash settings, and fix your Brave search engine from there with your Brave browser.

02:21:06.000 Alright everybody, head over to TimCast.com, become a member.

02:21:08.000 Thanks for hanging out this Friday night.

02:21:10.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.

02:21:11.000 You can follow me at TimCast.

02:21:13.000 You want to shout anything out, Andrew?

02:21:14.000 Sure!

02:21:15.000 Again, I had a fun time.

02:21:16.000 This was great.

02:21:17.000 Tim, any time somebody... How was the scotch?

02:21:18.000 It was good.

02:21:19.000 It was very good, very strong.

02:21:20.000 Which one did you pick?

02:21:21.000 I'm pretty sure I got the cask strength one because my head is swimming.

02:21:24.000 Did you take the Usquabaca, whatever it's called?

02:21:26.000 Yes, the one of the blue ceramic jug.

02:21:28.000 Yes, that's the one I took.

02:21:29.000 It is hitting me hard.

02:21:32.000 Tim, anytime somebody can make me think, I view that as a really good conversation, and you made me think tonight, and I'm gonna have to, like, kind of mull with some of the stuff you said, but I very much enjoyed it.

02:21:42.000 I appreciate you letting me come on.

02:21:43.000 Absolutely.

02:21:44.000 Anybody that enjoyed me, go check out The Political Orphanage.

02:21:47.000 It's good.

02:21:48.000 Thank you very much, Lydia, and I'll say, like, at least going back to, like, the foreign policy stuff, I'd recommend the last episode I did.

02:21:53.000 It's called How to Prevent or Provoke Stupid Wars, and what I basically do is just get into What's your Twitter?

02:22:00.000 our theory about realism, liberalism, Marxism, social constructivism and try and get past 0.57

02:22:06.000 kind of that surface level partisan noise, get into the fundamentals of what's happening.

02:22:10.000 And welcome people to come check that out.

02:22:12.000 What's your Twitter?

02:22:13.000 You have Twitter too, right?

02:22:14.000 At MightyHeaton.

02:22:15.000 Love it.

02:22:16.000 Come hang out.

02:22:17.000 I mostly just do horse jokes on Twitter.

02:22:19.000 I don't really get into political fights on Twitter.

02:22:21.000 That's just funny stuff on Twitter.

02:22:23.000 Go check out my YouTube channel right now.

02:22:25.000 Freedom Tunes.

02:22:26.000 Go look at it.

02:22:27.000 We disagree very much.

02:22:29.000 Even Ian, with whom I disagree on a number of things, endorsed the latest video.

02:22:33.000 Seamus, Seamus, you gotta give me more roles than just Fauci, man.

02:22:35.000 Come on.

02:22:36.000 I mean, look, Tim, I know you have to keep the lights here on, but if Fauci's not in the news, I'm not gonna violate the artistic integrity of my work to give you roles.

02:22:45.000 I was thinking about that, though.

02:22:45.000 I was like, now that Fauci's out of the news cycle, I was like, I'm not gonna be on Freedom Tunes anymore.

02:22:49.000 You're not gonna make any more.

02:22:51.000 I swear you're Bill Gates.

02:22:51.000 You're Bill Gates is next level.

02:22:54.000 Lean into it.

02:22:54.000 Roll with it.

02:22:55.000 But I'm just ripping off Family Guy's impression of Bill Gates.

02:22:57.000 It's even better.

02:22:59.000 Hello, and I'm Ian Crosland.

02:23:00.000 IanCrosland.net.

02:23:01.000 Hit me up there.

02:23:01.000 I think that's everything for tonight.

02:23:03.000 See you guys next week.

02:23:04.000 And follow Graphene to the moon.

02:23:05.000 Buy Graphene stock.

02:23:06.000 We'll be riding space elevators tethered with Graphene amalgams.

02:23:11.000 I just wanted to say during this conversation about crew-served machine guns, children are perfect for training to serve machine gun functions.

02:23:20.000 So if you want to have a family, that's a great reason to do so.

02:23:23.000 Or send your orphans to me. 1.00

02:23:24.000 I'll take them.

02:23:25.000 Perfect!

02:23:25.000 I've got all those cameras I'm planning to get.

02:23:26.000 I love it.

02:23:27.000 That's a great plan, Andrew.

02:23:28.000 Thank you.

02:23:28.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sour Patchlets.

02:23:32.000 Alright everybody, I just want to point out, I didn't kill that bug.

02:23:35.000 Some people were saying Tim killed the bug.

02:23:36.000 I tried to.

02:23:37.000 I missed.

02:23:38.000 It survived.

02:23:39.000 And I just want to make sure you all know that.

02:23:40.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:23:41.000 We'll see you all next time.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 18, 2022

Timcast IRL - Global Food Shortage Is Coming, WW3, Scary, Fear, Whatever w-Andrew Heaton

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