Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - GOP Demands TRAVEL LOCKDOWN Over China Disease Fears ft-Dicky Barrett & The Defiant

00:00:00.000 So it's kind of funny when we had Jeremy Boring on the show earlier this week, it was around

00:00:14.000 the same time Disney announced that they were losing money due to their politics.

00:00:19.000 And I'm like, wow, what a perfect timing.

00:00:21.000 And so today, we're hearing this big news that the GOP is calling for a travel ban with China over something called the White Lung, which is reportedly popping up in the US, Europe, and China.

00:00:30.000 In China, there's videos of more lockdowns, of what look like pandemic lockdown measures.

00:00:37.000 And it feels kind of like this is how it gets started.

00:00:39.000 And the funny thing is, we're hanging out with some of our friends who have some experience with lockdowns.

00:00:44.000 And so we're really excited.

00:00:46.000 Before we get into everything, we do have some other news.

00:00:48.000 I don't know how much we're going to get into.

00:00:51.000 I guess we'll just leave it there for now.

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00:01:13.000 If you want to support our work, we got a pretty wild show for you tonight, because we're going to be doing our first ever live musical performance, full band.

00:01:19.000 And we used to play music on this show, but we haven't in a very long time.

00:01:23.000 I'd like to start by saying I'm not going to get the white lung vaccine.

00:01:27.000 you know, where's it gonna go with it? So joining us tonight we have the Defiant,

00:01:30.000 friends of ours, we're really excited. So smash that like button, subscribe, do all that stuff,

00:01:34.000 share the show with your friends. Let's start, whoever wants to take the lead and introduce

00:01:38.000 your introduce yourselves. I'd like to start by saying I'm not going to get the white lung vaccine.

00:01:43.000 I don't care. Well, all right.

00:01:47.000 At no cost.

00:01:48.000 I don't know what you can say on this show or not, but I'm already refusing it beforehand.

00:01:53.000 Well, okay.

00:01:55.000 Hey, how are you, Tim?

00:01:56.000 I'm Tiki Barrett from The Defiant, and I'm here with Pete Parada from The Defiant.

00:02:02.000 And behind me, if you can get a shot of them and the other members of The Defiant.

00:02:08.000 I hear.

00:02:08.000 And thanks for having us.

00:02:10.000 I hear that you have names.

00:02:12.000 You forgot our names.

00:02:13.000 Forget the names, dude.

00:02:14.000 Not the guys in the back.

00:02:15.000 The guys on the stools.

00:02:16.000 I don't know.

00:02:18.000 There's the young guy.

00:02:19.000 There's the guy that always wears the hat.

00:02:20.000 And then there's the guy from Smash Mouth.

00:02:22.000 Oh yeah.

00:02:22.000 The guy from Smash Mouth.

00:02:24.000 That's how I refer to him.

00:02:25.000 Well, alright.

00:02:26.000 No, no, no.

00:02:26.000 That's Joey LaRocca.

00:02:28.000 Right there.

00:02:30.000 That's Johnny Rio.

00:02:31.000 Johnny Rio was in the Street Dogs.

00:02:33.000 Joey La Rocca was from the Briggs.

00:02:35.000 And that's right there is Greg Camp, who's a super, super talented songwriter.

00:02:40.000 Has written songs for just about everybody.

00:02:42.000 He's tremendous and very, very talented songwriter.

00:02:46.000 He wrote everybody's favorite Smash Mouth songs.

00:02:48.000 Is that true?

00:02:48.000 Yes.

00:02:48.000 That's what I heard.

00:02:50.000 He wrote the only ones you've probably heard.

00:02:52.000 Walking on the Sun?

00:02:53.000 The best ones.

00:02:54.000 And All Star, he wrote that.

00:02:55.000 Wow!

00:02:57.000 A bunch of other ones.

00:02:57.000 All Star is like one of the greatest songs ever written.

00:03:00.000 Wow.

00:03:00.000 High praise.

00:03:01.000 Thank you.

00:03:02.000 But it's a good one.

00:03:03.000 Because not only was it a good pop song everybody liked, but it became a meme.

00:03:06.000 So we're starting out with, that's the first thing we disagree on.

00:03:09.000 I still know all the words.

00:03:11.000 But it's not so much about me saying I like the song, I'm saying like that song was ubiquitous when it came out, and then it became a meme.

00:03:17.000 Everybody just kept playing it on the internet like crazy, like it was fun, it was funny.

00:03:19.000 Did you write it from start to finish?

00:03:21.000 Yes I did.

00:03:23.000 In a garage.

00:03:24.000 How long did it take you to write it?

00:03:26.000 A few days probably.

00:03:28.000 It was the last song to be added to that album.

00:03:31.000 They basically told us to go back to the drawing board because the album wasn't finished and I wrote that one and another one and those were the first two singles.

00:03:38.000 There you go.

00:03:40.000 Well, Pete, of course, you've been on this show before, right?

00:03:43.000 I've not done RRL.

00:03:44.000 I did Culture War with you.

00:03:45.000 Yeah.

00:03:47.000 So you were the drummer for a lot of bands.

00:03:50.000 A lot of bands, yeah.

00:03:50.000 Currently The Defiant and a little group called Timcast as well.

00:03:54.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:03:55.000 We just call it that, I guess.

00:03:56.000 But Pete has done the drums for our music, which is awesome.

00:04:00.000 You were in The Offspring for a very long time.

00:04:01.000 Offspring for a very long time.

00:04:02.000 Face to Face, Save Today.

00:04:04.000 I've done tours with My Chemical Romance and Devo.

00:04:07.000 And, you know, lost my gig over not being able to get the COVID vaccine and refused to take a fake card.

00:04:14.000 And so some people might know me from all of that drama.

00:04:17.000 And obviously, I wasn't the only one in the industry that was getting leaned on.

00:04:20.000 It happened everywhere.

00:04:22.000 And so, yeah, we have our new band, The Defiant, together, and we're excited to be here tonight, play some music.

00:04:27.000 Right on.

00:04:28.000 And we got some news to talk about, too.

00:04:29.000 We got Carter Banks hanging out because he's our in-house music guy.

00:04:31.000 What's up, guys?

00:04:32.000 It's a pleasure to be here with The Defiant.

00:04:35.000 Pete, as always.

00:04:37.000 I know every Smash Mouth song, so it's great to be here with you as well, Greg.

00:04:42.000 Carter, have you heard of the Boston's?

00:04:45.000 I have.

00:04:46.000 I'm just asking.

00:04:48.000 We're talking about old bands.

00:04:49.000 They were formidable, the Boston's.

00:04:51.000 You guys kind of helped guide me as a teenager.

00:04:54.000 Thank you, Ian.

00:04:54.000 Will you shut off Carter's mic?

00:04:57.000 Well, I got a question for you, Dickie.

00:04:59.000 How come you called the band the Mighty Mighty Boss Tones and not just the Mighty Boss Tones or the Boss Tones?

00:05:04.000 That's a fantastic question, Ian, and all right, let's settle in because this is quite an answer.

00:05:09.000 There was another band we found out later on, and this is long before you could Google or, you know, check out like we did with The Defiant where we were checking out if there's other bands and We went through a long, long list of different names we were going to have when we finally settled on The Defiant.

00:05:23.000 But with The Boss Tones, somebody told us, like, we were just about to put out the record, and someone said, you know, there's a band from the 50s.

00:05:32.000 They were a Harvard, like, acapella sort of doo-wop band called The Boss Tones.

00:05:38.000 And we're like, shit, we don't want to change the name of the band. 0.98

00:05:42.000 This late in the game. 0.99

00:05:43.000 So then there was this bartender who was always calling us the Mighty Mighty Boston's.

00:05:47.000 He was like the Mighty Mighty Boston's, which we were far from mighty or even mighty mighty.

00:05:53.000 We're far from any mighty at all.

00:05:56.000 But we quickly slapped that on the album cover and said, all right, we'll be the Mighty Mighty Boston's.

00:06:01.000 And I would never look back.

00:06:04.000 I mean, Rascal King, when you're like, man, could he ever talk, dude?

00:06:08.000 That line and that song, if you guys don't know the Rascal King, you gotta put it on in the background during this interview for a little while, but that just shook me to the core, man.

00:06:15.000 I was an actor at the time, so it was nice to hear a guy talking about the value of being a smooth talker, and even though the Rascal King probably wasn't— Dude, don't tell me!

00:06:24.000 I know!

00:06:24.000 Talk to your boy!

00:06:29.000 I'm hanging out.

00:06:34.000 I'm excited for the show tonight, guys.

00:06:35.000 With the best hair on earth, by the way.

00:06:37.000 What's going on?

00:06:38.000 Thanks, bro.

00:06:39.000 We hung out with you all day.

00:06:40.000 Your hair got great.

00:06:41.000 That's like the 80s girl thing, though, where you get the bangs. 0.93

00:06:45.000 If you turn sideways, it's just...

00:06:48.000 Well, let's jump into this first story, which will kick off everything.

00:06:56.000 We have this breaking today.

00:06:58.000 GOP senators call for China travel ban to prevent mystery illness spread.

00:07:03.000 The senators wrote to President Biden demanding he immediately restrict travel between the US and China.

00:07:08.000 Okay, I mean, that's it.

00:07:10.000 That's the story, right?

00:07:10.000 You get Marco Rubio, you get JD Vance, you get Rick Scott, you get Tommy Tuberville, Mike Braun, you get all these GOP senators.

00:07:16.000 This is around the same time.

00:07:18.000 It was like, it was end of December into January.

00:07:21.000 We started hearing about this mystery illness back in 2019 to 2020.

00:07:24.000 A lot of people have been predicting that there was going to be some kind of lockdown measure.

00:07:28.000 Okay, where was that taking place at that time?

00:07:31.000 The first one?

00:07:31.000 Yeah.

00:07:32.000 China.

00:07:33.000 Coincidence?

00:07:35.000 Well, here we go, man.

00:07:36.000 So now take a look at this.

00:07:38.000 What is causing the white lung?

00:07:40.000 This is, okay, remember when these photos came out of people's lungs and they were white?

00:07:45.000 And now it's like happening all over again?

00:07:48.000 It's kind of wild because, you know, basically, I don't think all of you in the band, but many of you I think, have

00:07:56.000 stories of defying the lockdowns, the restrictions, the mandates.

00:07:59.000 And so, the day you're like, hey, we're going to come on and we're going to talk about this, we get this story about, it's all starting again.

00:08:05.000 And now, of course, they are saying, no, no, don't worry, there's not going to be another pandemic.

00:08:09.000 Health Facts are saying, don't worry about it.

00:08:11.000 But that's the other thing they did.

00:08:13.000 When COVID first started, you had Fauci saying that you didn't have to wear a mask, don't worry, it's not that big a deal.

00:08:18.000 YouTube was actually restricting content that was talking about it, and then all of a sudden it turned into the whole country locking down.

00:08:25.000 Restrictions on businesses, mandates for certain medical treatments.

00:08:29.000 Oh, I remember.

00:08:29.000 I'm hoping that we don't go there, but hey, welcome to the show, guys.

00:08:32.000 What a day to join us.

00:08:33.000 Well, I couldn't believe it.

00:08:34.000 You had that up earlier on the screen.

00:08:36.000 I said to you, I'm like, that's not from today.

00:08:37.000 Yeah, I was like, that happened today, dude.

00:08:40.000 Yeah, so... And then we pulled up the band, White Lung, which... Yeah, I Google searched White Lung.

00:08:45.000 It was like, apparently there's a band called White Lung.

00:08:47.000 Already?

00:08:48.000 Well, they've been around for several years.

00:08:50.000 I mean, this is their time to shine, baby.

00:08:51.000 Search algorithm.

00:08:52.000 You know what?

00:08:53.000 I'm not going to live in fear.

00:08:54.000 I'm done with it.

00:08:54.000 I think a big part of what happened with COVID was people were afraid.

00:08:57.000 Were you afraid last time, Ian?

00:08:59.000 Part of me was like, what if this turns into, I'm not even letting my mind go there this time.

00:09:04.000 Right.

00:09:04.000 Wash your hands, stay healthy, be your best self.

00:09:08.000 That is it. 0.99

00:09:09.000 I was afraid for about 15 seconds and then I smelled bullshit early on. 0.99

00:09:14.000 Yeah, man, it's... I mean, letting like a scientific technocracy guide the world is like, I'm not... You got a stinky bro on your mic. 0.99

00:09:24.000 Hey, stink bug. 0.98

00:09:25.000 Oh, what's happening, dude?

00:09:26.000 What's he doing here?

00:09:28.000 That thing carries white lung, dude. 0.93

00:09:32.000 Hold on, those stink bugs are from China. 1.00

00:09:35.000 For real, they're a marmorated stink bug.

00:09:36.000 They were like an invasive species in the 90s.

00:09:39.000 Talk about, was that intentional?

00:09:41.000 Well, apparently they arrived in 1996 in PA.

00:09:46.000 I did all this research, I was like, where do these come from and how do I get rid of them?

00:09:49.000 And those lantern flies, aren't those from China too?

00:09:51.000 Probably.

00:09:52.000 I don't know.

00:09:52.000 They're spreading all over and they're big and they're nasty and we have these weird jellies.

00:09:55.000 Hold on, you're not kidding me, that bug is from China?

00:09:58.000 Yeah, it's from China.

00:09:59.000 There's also that invasive species.

00:10:01.000 In China, there's like a wasp that kills and eats it.

00:10:03.000 But out here, there's nothing.

00:10:04.000 So it's spreading like wildfire.

00:10:05.000 It's all over buildings.

00:10:06.000 There's also that one disease, TikTok.

00:10:08.000 Have you heard of it?

00:10:09.000 That's from China.

00:10:12.000 That's spreading mind viruses. 1.00

00:10:13.000 Mainly infects phones.

00:10:15.000 Well, let's jump back in time.

00:10:16.000 Can China send that wasp over? 1.00

00:10:19.000 I think there's something about the temperature.

00:10:21.000 They don't do well, and why can't we get our wasp to take care of it? 1.00

00:10:24.000 But let's do this.

00:10:25.000 Basically, we have this story, and I don't know if this goes anywhere.

00:10:27.000 This is at the Mysterious Illness.

00:10:29.000 They're saying, oh no, who knows?

00:10:31.000 And I think the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, so we should pay attention to these stories.

00:10:37.000 And I don't know what to tell you, man.

00:10:38.000 You gotta figure out what's right for you.

00:10:42.000 You gotta talk to a medical practitioner that you trust when these things get wild, but I do think when it comes to government authoritarianism, it's entirely another question.

00:10:48.000 We should just say no.

00:10:50.000 And I hope everybody learned their lesson from the get-go.

00:10:53.000 But let's go back in time and talk about why you guys are defiant and, you know, what is that all about.

00:10:57.000 I refuse to wipe down my groceries this time.

00:11:00.000 I don't care what they say, I'm not gonna.

00:11:02.000 Is that why they fired you the first time?

00:11:04.000 You like brought in groceries to the studio and you're like, I ain't wiping them.

00:11:08.000 Well, the first time I was, no, I just, I didn't want to get the COVID shot and I wasn't afraid of the COVID shot and everything.

00:11:16.000 I just didn't, I didn't like the message.

00:11:18.000 I didn't like the, you know, what it was sending.

00:11:21.000 I didn't, you know, could, did I think I was going to die from it?

00:11:25.000 No, but I, I didn't, I didn't want to get it.

00:11:28.000 So, um, and the company I worked for was Disney.

00:11:34.000 And they own the TV show.

00:11:35.000 So you're on Kimmel.

00:11:37.000 Yes.

00:11:38.000 I was Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel's announcer for 20 years on Jimmy Kimmel live.

00:11:42.000 Wow.

00:11:43.000 And, um, Jimmy wasn't happy that I wasn't going to get that vaccine and all the producers of the show were very upset with me.

00:11:53.000 But by that time I was living, I had left California and I was living in Arizona because my kid, I brought my kids there because I, They wanted kids to play with in Pasadena, California.

00:12:05.000 It was very, you know, very tight and very restricted.

00:12:07.000 And so we went there and they had cousins that lived there.

00:12:12.000 So then Jimmy found out that I wasn't gonna get the shot and he was like, what the hell are you doing?

00:12:19.000 And then to his, you know, in all fairness to him, he, You know, tried to keep me for as long as he could.

00:12:27.000 And then this, you know, piece of paper came in from the Disney and said, all Disney employees have to get the vaccine.

00:12:34.000 And then, you know, and I was in, I was actually announcing the show from my garage in Arizona of a house that I was.

00:12:43.000 Would they like send you a script like in the day?

00:12:45.000 And then you'd read it.

00:12:46.000 I would go into my garage and put on a pair of headphones like this and fire up a computer.

00:12:50.000 And I was right in the control room.

00:12:52.000 And they were, you know, so it was like five.

00:12:55.000 Oh, so like you were live on the show.

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 Oh, wow.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:12:59.000 But they were like, even though you're in your own home now, you can't, you're fired.

00:13:02.000 No.

00:13:02.000 And then all of a sudden it kind of became important for me to come back to California.

00:13:06.000 And they need, we need you in the studio, which really, you know, maybe they did.

00:13:11.000 I don't, you know, whatever, whatever it's their show.

00:13:16.000 But, um, so, you know, but once that came in, then it was nothing.

00:13:21.000 Anybody could do to keep me on the show.

00:13:24.000 Jimmy tried?

00:13:26.000 He did.

00:13:26.000 I mean, yeah.

00:13:29.000 I believe he did.

00:13:29.000 I'm not a fan of that guy.

00:13:33.000 It's a bummer, isn't it?

00:13:37.000 Me and Adam were really close friends with Jimmy.

00:13:40.000 20 years.

00:13:41.000 It's hard.

00:13:43.000 So many friends and friendships were busting up and breaking up.

00:13:47.000 Was a victim of that, and there's people in my life that I don't really care about so much anymore, that I once cared greatly about, and said, eh, you know, you've shown your colors, you've shown me who you are, but it's hard, you know?

00:14:03.000 They're close friendships.

00:14:06.000 I have to wonder if they're, if you're not friends now, were you ever really friends?

00:14:11.000 That's what we say, you know?

00:14:12.000 Like, we've had people who come on this show, We have people who work here and they get texts from people insulting them and saying, I can't be friends with you.

00:14:19.000 And they're like, Oh, that's crazy.

00:14:20.000 And I'm like, that person was never your friend.

00:14:22.000 Like, what did you do by saying things you've always said?

00:14:26.000 And it's just, if these people are more concerned about fitting in with strangers than being, than caring for someone they've known for decades, they never have a friend in the first place.

00:14:35.000 I agree with you a hundred percent, but then in this instance that never happened, you know?

00:14:41.000 So, Do I have friends that, and this is lifelong, and I'm older than you, Tim.

00:14:47.000 I've had friends that politically or ideologically, we don't think the same way.

00:14:54.000 But before all this COVID crap and before everything that went down, that was okay.

00:14:59.000 If someone told me they were voting for George Bush and I was voting a different way, I was like, okay, but I can still be your friend.

00:15:11.000 Trump too though.

00:15:12.000 That's all changed.

00:15:13.000 I think Trump changed everything.

00:15:15.000 I don't, I think Trump's a symptom.

00:15:16.000 I don't think Trump personally changed it.

00:15:17.000 I think, no, I think the Trump era.

00:15:19.000 Yeah.

00:15:19.000 The Trump era is people can't, cannot deal with if, you know, I'm, I'm kind of, you know, part of me is glad it all went down.

00:15:27.000 Cause you really get to see who's evil. 0.99

00:15:29.000 It's kind of sorts, you know, the rotten fruit sort of exposed itself and, It's important not to hate, though, because it's like this dumbass PSYOP, man. 0.76

00:15:37.000 It's like hate the left and the right and the this and the them and the the up and the down and like the and it's like it's all getting through social media and they're like, did you see far left? 0.84

00:15:47.000 This guy's skin color is this color and this one's this color. 0.86

00:15:50.000 And it's like, who gives?

00:15:51.000 Like, who cares?

00:15:52.000 Yeah, but look.

00:15:53.000 Amen.

00:15:54.000 So what I'm talking about is, I used to be, I was a huge fan of The Offspring.

00:15:59.000 And then I heard Pete's story and started talking to Pete.

00:16:02.000 And now I am the opposite of whatever a fan would be.

00:16:04.000 I'm a detractor.

00:16:05.000 I don't know.

00:16:07.000 An opponent.

00:16:08.000 I like their music, their early music.

00:16:09.000 It is what it is.

00:16:10.000 I'm not going to pretend like all of a sudden I hate the music.

00:16:12.000 Right.

00:16:12.000 But you know, I grew up listening to this stuff.

00:16:14.000 And then I found out what they had did.

00:16:15.000 And I'm like, wow, these people are bad.

00:16:16.000 And Noodles blocked me.

00:16:18.000 I mean, he blocked me too.

00:16:19.000 That's not a surprise.

00:16:20.000 And I just will say it's like a crazy thing.

00:16:23.000 Just the first song I ever learned was The Kids Aren't Alright.

00:16:25.000 And then one day he's blocked me on Twitter.

00:16:27.000 And I'm like, wow, it's kind of cool.

00:16:29.000 You know, like, I learned this guy's song.

00:16:31.000 I've never experienced the pain of noodles blocking me.

00:16:34.000 He still follows you or something?

00:16:36.000 I'll hug you guys after.

00:16:38.000 Sounds horrible.

00:16:39.000 How did you get through it?

00:16:40.000 We're survivors.

00:16:41.000 I laughed.

00:16:42.000 I laughed a hearty laugh, and I was like, yo, this is crazy.

00:16:46.000 Like, I grew up playing, like, I Choose, and The Kids Aren't Alright, Gone Away, and now he's, this guy's, like, gone hyper-political and blocked me on Twitter, and I never even talked to the guy.

00:16:55.000 I don't even know.

00:16:56.000 But I think it was around the time that we started talking with you and working with you, and then all of a sudden he's like, you're gone.

00:17:02.000 Yeah, you can't associate with me.

00:17:04.000 I'm a terrible person, apparently.

00:17:06.000 I think, I think, uh, a lot of people might know your story, but a lot might not.

00:17:10.000 Do you want to explain like what went down with you?

00:17:11.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:17:12.000 Um, you know, I, I think for, for all of us here, anyone in the music industry and in 2021, they roll this vaccine out.

00:17:21.000 The whole industry is looking at each other like, all right, well, how do we get back on the road?

00:17:26.000 How do we get back to making money?

00:17:28.000 Cause we've bombarded people with fear for a year or more of like, stay in your home.

00:17:33.000 Don't gather in groups.

00:17:34.000 Don't go outside.

00:17:34.000 Don't be in public.

00:17:36.000 And now it's like, well, we'd sure like to start selling tickets again.

00:17:38.000 What do we do?

00:17:39.000 And I think, you know, Live Nation and the other people at the top of the pyramid were like, oh, how about we'll have the idea of the fully vaccinated tour, right?

00:17:48.000 So now we can say everyone in the bands and crew are fully vaccinated.

00:17:52.000 So it's safe for you to come out and come to the shows again.

00:17:54.000 We'll turn the money spigot back on.

00:17:56.000 Everyone get back out there and we'll act, you know, COVID's over.

00:18:00.000 Long as you go get this shot, you're going to be totally safe.

00:18:03.000 And at first, I think it also trickled down to the audiences, too.

00:18:09.000 Like, the couple big artists out of the gate, you know, for whatever reason, they were like, oh, we're doing these shows that are only for the vaccinated.

00:18:16.000 Bring your vaccine card.

00:18:17.000 You can't get in without it.

00:18:19.000 And I think they've all figured out pretty quickly that, you know, mandating the vaccine on your band and crew is good for business.

00:18:26.000 Mandating it on your audience is terrible for business.

00:18:28.000 Like, they've pissed off half of their crowd, because a lot of people were not interested in this or were hanging back to see how it went, didn't want to get one up front, and were pissed that it would be segregating them out of being able to go back out to concerts and things.

00:18:42.000 Especially since, I mean, it was pretty well known, if you were paying attention, that it didn't stop transmission.

00:18:49.000 I mean, the FDA, even in January 21, I have a screenshot of it that my wife took, you know, said, well, most vaccines are, you know, made to stop the transmission.

00:18:59.000 This one was not tested for that.

00:19:00.000 We are hopeful that that will be the result.

00:19:02.000 And you're kind of like, you know, I sent that to some of my very, very smart friends, and Their response was, well, I don't know.

00:19:10.000 That's weird.

00:19:10.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:19:11.000 But I still think everyone should get it.

00:19:14.000 Fall in line, or else.

00:19:15.000 Right.

00:19:16.000 So I knew it was headed my direction.

00:19:18.000 And so by summertime, we had just put out a new record.

00:19:22.000 We were gearing up to get back on tour like everybody else.

00:19:25.000 And, you know, I thought we had just started a dialogue, and there was, you know, let's try to figure out a solution here.

00:19:31.000 Like, I'm not getting this for, you know, my own medical reasons.

00:19:35.000 Well, your doctor advised against it.

00:19:37.000 My doctor advised against it.

00:19:38.000 And it didn't matter.

00:19:41.000 Out of nowhere, I got this phone call from their manager that was just insane, abusive, like threatening.

00:19:48.000 Like, you know, I'm a drummer. 0.99

00:19:50.000 I'm used to kind of getting treated like crap. 0.98

00:19:52.000 You're at the bottom of the food chain of the music industry, right? 0.97

00:19:55.000 What do you call a guy that hangs out with musicians?

00:19:57.000 A drummer, right?

00:19:59.000 So, I'm used to crappy phone calls.

00:20:01.000 This was like an annihilation.

00:20:03.000 It was crazy.

00:20:04.000 I got one for you.

00:20:04.000 What do you call a drummer with no girlfriend?

00:20:07.000 Homeless.

00:20:08.000 There you go.

00:20:10.000 So many good ones.

00:20:11.000 Hold on, hold on, I got one.

00:20:13.000 What's the difference between a moose and the Mighty Mighty Bostons?

00:20:17.000 What is it? 0.99

00:20:18.000 A moose has the horns in the front and the asshole in the back. 1.00

00:20:22.000 There you go. 0.99

00:20:23.000 You said something when you were working on Kimmel, Dickie, like, and this is right along with what you're saying that, like, Disney came in and they said, everyone has to get this medicine.

00:20:30.000 And everything I know about the medical industry is you go to a doctor, they give you medicine that's tailored for you.

00:20:36.000 They wouldn't say, like, your doctor wouldn't say, I'm going to prescribe you a medicine for every human because every human's different.

00:20:43.000 So, like, it was just shocking. 0.85

00:20:45.000 The one size fits all thing was part of the, you know, what led to me to this is bullshit because, you know, I have, I have children, like what I'm going to take, my children are going to take my, you know, my elderly mother's going to take, it's all going to be the same thing. 0.96

00:21:00.000 My, my sister who has MS, she's going to take the same thing. 1.00

00:21:05.000 And it just, that made no sense.

00:21:07.000 It's like, how do we know this, this guy, you know.

00:21:11.000 He can't eat gluten, his joints are better without eating gluten.

00:21:15.000 This person here, you know, whatever it is, allergies, we're all different.

00:21:21.000 That's why we have our own personal physicians to assess our own health.

00:21:26.000 This felt like the first time that it was the whole world can take this thing all at once and we're all good.

00:21:32.000 We just made it.

00:21:32.000 We know nothing about it.

00:21:34.000 And then, so here, I mean, Dickie's outright like, well, this doesn't sound right to me, so I'm out.

00:21:39.000 And then, Pete, you're like, my doctor actually wore me because of my medical history.

00:21:44.000 And they said, we don't care.

00:21:45.000 Yeah.

00:21:45.000 No, I had my medical exemption.

00:21:47.000 Didn't matter.

00:21:47.000 The manager didn't care.

00:21:49.000 And he made it very clear in no uncertain terms that I had the choice of get the shot or I would be replaced.

00:21:54.000 This is why I'm saying it shows you who's evil.

00:21:58.000 Right.

00:21:58.000 How long were you with the offspring?

00:21:59.000 14?

00:21:59.000 14 years at this point.

00:22:00.000 14 years.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, and so I'm like, wow, that was a really weird phone call.

00:22:05.000 That seems unnecessary.

00:22:07.000 And I took it to the band.

00:22:08.000 They backed him up.

00:22:10.000 Didn't matter.

00:22:11.000 And everything deteriorated really quickly after that.

00:22:14.000 And then basically overnight, just ghosted.

00:22:17.000 I found out I was replaced.

00:22:19.000 I checked my Southwest app.

00:22:20.000 My flight to rehearsal had been canceled.

00:22:22.000 My access to the band work calendar was revoked later the same day, and that was just it.

00:22:27.000 It was just like, you, your family, everybody.

00:22:30.000 Doesn't matter your race.

00:22:31.000 And it's, you know, they say like, you find out who your friends are, but it's like when you're in a band and you guys can attest to this too, your family, like some years you spend more time on the road with these people than you spend with your own family.

00:22:43.000 And you know, everything, everyone's your family and, but you find out where you are and where you really stand the first time you say no to something.

00:22:50.000 And you know, that's, this was the first no that I had given and I was gone.

00:22:54.000 This sounds like the Soviet Union.

00:22:58.000 It sounds like how communists behaved in Solzhenitsyn and things like that.

00:23:03.000 That you are a terrifying other and you are not adhering to... What do they call those things?

00:23:12.000 Uh, there's a phrase for it.

00:23:13.000 I don't know.

00:23:13.000 I gotta listen to more James Lindsay.

00:23:14.000 Like, uh, Frontlines or something like that, or I don't know.

00:23:18.000 Some phrase where it's like, there's a narrative everyone must follow no matter what.

00:23:22.000 Don't question it.

00:23:23.000 Stay in line.

00:23:23.000 Don't back off.

00:23:24.000 And so when you are even legitimately through medical reasons... Dangerous element.

00:23:28.000 No, no, no, there's... What is it?

00:23:29.000 No, no, no, no, there's a word for it.

00:23:31.000 There's a word for acceptable narratives, like, you must agree with the Ukraine war, you must agree with the lockdowns, you must agree with the vaccinations, you must side with these political issues, and if you don't, then you're outside.

00:23:42.000 It's crazy that, like, you were saying before COVID, and I would actually add, I think before the Trump era, whatever you want to call it, If you are of different political background, like, you could still be friends.

00:23:53.000 It was like, oh, I don't know, I guess.

00:23:55.000 And then we talk.

00:23:56.000 Now all of a sudden it's like, bro, they didn't even call you.

00:23:58.000 They were just like, quick, quick, delete his, make him go away.

00:24:01.000 We don't even want to hear his name anymore.

00:24:03.000 Yeah.

00:24:03.000 That's like weird cult level.

00:24:05.000 Yeah.

00:24:06.000 Not just me.

00:24:07.000 Crazy stuff.

00:24:07.000 To me, it was like my whole family, you know, our wives were really close.

00:24:11.000 Our kids grew up together and you know, and for me, the, the reason that, I didn't say anything at first.

00:24:18.000 I took a month to kind of clear my head and see what would happen, because I'm just ghosted.

00:24:23.000 So I'm like, well, maybe I'll hear something back.

00:24:26.000 And so nobody said anything.

00:24:28.000 And then they've got a tour coming up, and they've got shows.

00:24:31.000 They had a show in Nashville, where I live, and people are hitting me up for tickets for all these shows that I know I won't be at anymore.

00:24:37.000 So it was like, all right, well, what do we do here?

00:24:39.000 I don't want to have this conversation 500 different times.

00:24:43.000 So, you know, drafted up a statement was pretty nice explaining just basically, here's, here's why I won't be there anymore and say anything bad about anyone and was just like, you know, but also said, I don't think this is right.

00:24:55.000 I don't think anybody should be forced to get this by their employer, by the government, by anyone, you know. And

00:25:01.000 so if anybody else feels left out and lost here, like, got your back, you know,

00:25:05.000 understood. And I just figured firing squad, you know, flamethrowers and that would be

00:25:10.000 that. But yeah.

00:25:11.000 Shout out to the chat. It's MassLine. It's the political, organizational,

00:25:15.000 and leadership method developed by Mao Zedong and the Chinese Communist Party.

00:25:19.000 It refers to formulating policy based on theory, implementing it based on people's real-world conditions, revising theory and policy based on actual practice, etc, etc.

00:25:26.000 But people make references to, like, the Ukraine war starts.

00:25:30.000 You must agree with it.

00:25:31.000 And so you end up with this weird circumstance where the American political left, as we describe it, is critical of the military-industrial complex, supportive of the military-industrial complex, in favor of pro-choice, because my body, my choice, I choose my medical practice, but then you should be forced to undergo medical treatments.

00:25:48.000 Completely, none of these things align logically, they align politically.

00:25:55.000 There's no logic to it, but that is what you must adhere to.

00:25:59.000 When it comes to the U.S.

00:26:00.000 funding of Israel, for instance, they're like, no, this is bad, we shouldn't do it.

00:26:04.000 When it comes to the U.S.

00:26:05.000 funding of Ukraine, it's like, yay, those Russians are bad. 1.00

00:26:08.000 When it comes to medical treatment, it's my body, my choice, except if it's pertaining to lockdowns and mandates.

00:26:14.000 No logic.

00:26:15.000 It was bizarre.

00:26:16.000 Zero logic.

00:26:16.000 And that's the thing.

00:26:17.000 And then I had people online coming at me, and people I knew coming at me going, Oh, well, you're this right-wing thing now, or this or that, which that's not insulting to me.

00:26:28.000 I'm friends of all political stripes.

00:26:31.000 But it was just bizarre that it's like, OK, if you won't do this thing, here's the laundry list of things we're going to call you that we think are terrible.

00:26:41.000 But it didn't make any sense.

00:26:42.000 I'm like, I'm standing in the exact place.

00:26:44.000 That I've always been.

00:26:45.000 I voted for Bernie Sanders.

00:26:46.000 I have people yelling Trump supporter just because I wouldn't take the vaccine.

00:26:50.000 I'm like, it's not an insult, but it's not accurate.

00:26:53.000 They don't care.

00:26:54.000 But I thought we weren't putting labels on people that they didn't ascribe to.

00:26:59.000 I love that.

00:27:00.000 So you're not QAnon?

00:27:01.000 I'm not.

00:27:02.000 Yeah, go figure.

00:27:03.000 I figured that was the guy from The Offspring the whole time.

00:27:06.000 You're not.

00:27:06.000 Luckily I live in Texas, right?

00:27:08.000 So it's not an issue.

00:27:08.000 of the other guys in the band, have you guys experienced similar things,

00:27:11.000 like refusing to adhere to lockdowns or anything like that?

00:27:15.000 Or is it just, is that why these guys are sitting here at the table?

00:27:18.000 I mean, luckily I live in Texas, right?

00:27:22.000 So it's not an issue, it never even really came up.

00:27:24.000 I just, Dickie and Pete are my friends, and it was like, holy crap, what's happening to them

00:27:31.000 is so crazy and wrong, and how can I be there for my friends kind of thing.

00:27:35.000 Man, that's crazy.

00:27:37.000 That's awesome.

00:27:38.000 But that's nice, right?

00:27:39.000 Yeah, but that's normal.

00:27:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:40.000 For all the people that ran from you, there's this other group of people that ran towards you, you know, and you kind of, like my wife said, well, you know, we're not going to hide here.

00:27:51.000 How do we find our people?

00:27:53.000 How do we find our tribe?

00:27:54.000 And for me, it was mostly to speak out and say something.

00:27:59.000 Because I know tons of people got fake cards.

00:28:01.000 Tons of musicians.

00:28:02.000 Everybody went back to work, kept their head down.

00:28:04.000 I'm just going to ride this out.

00:28:05.000 And that's cool.

00:28:05.000 But for me and my kids... Do you want me to list those names?

00:28:09.000 No, we're good.

00:28:12.000 I know a bunch of them.

00:28:12.000 A lot of people probably do.

00:28:14.000 But I'll tell you guys what, man.

00:28:15.000 Tim wants me to list them.

00:28:17.000 You know, I'm 50-50.

00:28:19.000 Some people deserve privacy. 0.98

00:28:20.000 It depends if they're hypocrites and they're evil and they're doing nasty things, you call them out. 0.95

00:28:24.000 But, you know, you talk about the people rushing towards you.

00:28:27.000 I'm pretty sure my mom, I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure she cried when she found out that Pete Parata, the drummer for The Offspring, was playing

00:28:35.000 drums with us.

00:28:36.000 Because when I was a little kid playing Offspring songs, and she's bringing me guitar lessons or whatever.

00:28:40.000 This is the band, these are the CDs.

00:28:42.000 I got the tab books for Ixnay on the Ombre, Smash, all at once, and I'm at home, I'm playing it all.

00:28:46.000 And then one day, she's like, The Offspring drummer is playing drums with you?

00:28:51.000 Like, this is amazing. I'm like, well, I don't know, man.

00:28:54.000 I mean, it's crazy.

00:28:55.000 And then for Ian, when we mentioned that you were coming, Dickie.

00:28:58.000 Yeah.

00:28:58.000 Ian starts listing off all the albums you used to listen to.

00:29:01.000 You're a loyal, loyal man. 0.99

00:29:02.000 Dude, screw these people. 0.97

00:29:04.000 I've spent the day with Ian. 1.00

00:29:05.000 I wish your mother liked me.

00:29:07.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:29:08.000 She probably does.

00:29:09.000 It is interesting how, if you're a kid and you have like a hero that you look up to, and then you live your truest self publicly, that you may end up working with them.

00:29:16.000 Like, that is mind-blowing.

00:29:18.000 But maybe you wouldn't want to.

00:29:20.000 Because, like, You know, look, my mom was, when I was little, she's like, oh, you know, Dexter Holland, he's getting his PhD and all that stuff.

00:29:28.000 Like, she was so proud that I was looking up to a band where the lead singer of this rock star was also getting an education.

00:29:34.000 And I did think that was really great.

00:29:36.000 You know, Tim, he flies his own plane.

00:29:38.000 That's true.

00:29:39.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 You know, he's a rocket scientist.

00:29:42.000 That's fantastic.

00:29:43.000 And he's a bad person.

00:29:44.000 He's a bad guy.

00:29:46.000 I don't know.

00:29:47.000 He broke young Tim's skateboarding young 13 year old heart.

00:29:50.000 If there's no excuse man.

00:29:52.000 He broke young Tim's skateboarding young 13 year old heart.

00:29:56.000 Child me is like learning now and is smashing guitar in the background.

00:30:01.000 What a great guy Pete is.

00:30:03.000 Yeah, I mean I would push back on anyone being bad people.

00:30:05.000 I think sometimes people make choices that I would consider bad.

00:30:08.000 I didn't enjoy the choice they made for me.

00:30:11.000 I don't think they're bad people.

00:30:12.000 We were friends right up until I never heard from them again.

00:30:17.000 You're a nice guy, Pete.

00:30:18.000 You're a nice guy.

00:30:19.000 But I gotta tell you, if... Here's how I imagine the circumstance, right?

00:30:23.000 They're a big touring band, right?

00:30:24.000 They're doing a bunch of shows.

00:30:26.000 And these venues mandate it.

00:30:28.000 Because the government mandates it.

00:30:29.000 But the venues weren't.

00:30:31.000 Not all the venues were.

00:30:31.000 The venues weren't mandating it.

00:30:34.000 Well, I guess on the audience.

00:30:36.000 So yeah, some venues were saying, you know, we'd like to cancel.

00:30:39.000 Well, they're even worse than I thought!

00:30:40.000 But I know plenty of bands that had, you know, someone had a medical exemption and it was accepted.

00:30:45.000 It's not like they were clamping down because no one wanted to cancel shows for any reason.

00:30:48.000 It was just, show us a piece of paper, come play your show.

00:30:52.000 Whether it says you got it or you can't get it.

00:30:54.000 Is it public how much they made when they did shows?

00:30:56.000 Like what their rates were?

00:30:58.000 I don't want to out anybody's private business stuff, but I don't know if it's like publicly known or something.

00:31:01.000 I don't know.

00:31:02.000 I don't even know myself.

00:31:03.000 I'll just say, you know, they're not poor, right?

00:31:07.000 And my view is...

00:31:09.000 If I had a band, if I had a show, if anyone at Timcast and we are going to do shows, we're going to do a bunch of venue stuff and something like this happened, there's no way in hell I would cut off communication and terminate someone I'd worked with for 14 years.

00:31:23.000 My worst case scenario would be something like I'd go to you, Pete, and I'd say, we got your back.

00:31:27.000 We'll keep you in the studio as long as we can.

00:31:29.000 When we can get you back on the shows, you're there.

00:31:32.000 We'll keep paying you.

00:31:33.000 Come hang out.

00:31:34.000 The venue doesn't let you in.

00:31:35.000 Screw them.

00:31:35.000 We may have to get a touring drummer, but we got you, man.

00:31:38.000 We're here with you on this one.

00:31:39.000 I wasn't allowed in the studio either.

00:31:40.000 But that's it.

00:31:42.000 Well, that's the thing, though.

00:31:47.000 The conversation I was trying to have with them was, hey, we don't know yet.

00:31:51.000 The manager's screaming at me, well, there's borders you can't cross.

00:31:53.000 And I'm like, well, which ones?

00:31:54.000 We don't know yet.

00:31:56.000 Great.

00:31:56.000 We don't know yet.

00:31:57.000 There's venues you can't get into.

00:31:58.000 Which venues?

00:31:59.000 Well, we don't know yet.

00:32:00.000 I'm like, well, then why?

00:32:01.000 It just felt like it was a little soon to pull the trigger on get this or get out.

00:32:07.000 And then they go on tour.

00:32:08.000 And I'm getting text messages and Instagram messages from all these other bands, and they're like, dude, we're on the same festival with your old band today.

00:32:16.000 None of us got the shot.

00:32:17.000 Nobody asked us for papers or anything.

00:32:19.000 And I'm like, I know that, and you know that, but I can't get through to anybody.

00:32:25.000 Yeah, there was no venue the fall of 2021.

00:32:29.000 There was no venue in the United States that I could not have played with them.

00:32:33.000 I looked up everyone, believe me, until I finally had to just stop caring for my own sanity and mental safety.

00:32:41.000 But, you know, once they went to England in October, November, yeah, I wouldn't have been allowed to go there, and I understand that.

00:32:49.000 Then I tell you, like, I would outright just be like, bro, if you can't come to the studio because they won't let you, if they can't let you enter the board... My response would not be, well, you can't cross the borders, you can't work with us.

00:32:59.000 My response would be, looks like you're getting a year where we're going to pay you because they're not letting you come.

00:33:03.000 Keep an eye out and we'll go through all the fine details as soon as we can get you in.

00:33:07.000 If you can come in this country, you're with us. 0.97

00:33:08.000 If not, hang out at home and we'll keep paying you.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, it wasn't about that.

00:33:13.000 It was just you can't say no to people that are, you know, Well, of course.

00:33:17.000 I was not in a position to say no.

00:33:18.000 For so many people, though, it's also just optics.

00:33:20.000 They don't want the controversy.

00:33:22.000 They just want to be able to say that, yeah, everyone's that.

00:33:26.000 Man, it's such a bummer, but I think we're winning on this front.

00:33:29.000 It's not just about, you know, COVID.

00:33:32.000 Trump was also, there's like a similar thing here, but COVID was really like, With Trump, there's a lot of people who voted for him but kept their mouths shut.

00:33:38.000 With COVID, it was just like 10x.

00:33:41.000 I'm worried something like this happens again, where it's a mass line you must adhere no matter what.

00:33:47.000 White lung?

00:33:48.000 White lung?

00:33:48.000 You know, I don't think it'll be white lung.

00:33:50.000 People are pointing out like it's affecting kids and that's a problem, for sure.

00:33:54.000 But is that the way back in, though?

00:33:55.000 Because, you know, COVID wasn't affecting kids, and that was the one thing they couldn't convince people, and I think that Yeah, that's suspect, right?

00:34:04.000 Make no mistake about it, this time it's affecting kids.

00:34:08.000 But I mean, like, with Trump's campaign, a lot of people kept their mouths shut because they didn't want to be outed as a Trump supporter, but there was no harsh extreme authoritarianism, you're not locking your home.

00:34:18.000 Then they do the lockdowns, and it's the same thing.

00:34:20.000 It's the political line you must adhere to no matter what, And the punishment was ten times more severe.

00:34:26.000 COVID was like... No, like, how many... Well, just, sorry, but like, there are some people who got fired for being Trump supporters, but early on it wasn't as pronounced.

00:34:33.000 There are some musicians who were accused of being a January 6th, they got fired.

00:34:37.000 But, like, the COVID stuff is outright, take a medical treatment, and in your instance, against the advice of your own doctor.

00:34:43.000 And that's crazy, because you should definitely just not listen to strangers and listen to your doctor.

00:34:47.000 And...

00:34:49.000 The level of... This is what I mean.

00:34:52.000 If you supported Trump or didn't support Trump, it's kind of like, who cares?

00:34:55.000 But people were weird about it.

00:34:57.000 If you couldn't get a medical treatment, they destroyed your life.

00:35:01.000 The next level of this, follow the line or else, terrifies me.

00:35:04.000 It's gulags.

00:35:05.000 It's do it or we're putting you in a... You're gonna go break rocks. 1.00

00:35:08.000 I feel like the COVID experience was like a psychological vaccination on the human consciousness.

00:35:16.000 It was such intense fear, propaganda, and numbers being flashed on CNN, death numbers, these, horror, horror, horror.

00:35:25.000 Scaring people insane and then numbers start to come out that it's like a 99.7% survival rate and you're like what in the hell did we just do for two years and now people are like immune to this and not a hundred percent but it's like we're ready for this kind of stupid fear prop now like I'm hyper vigilant against fear propaganda at the moment and I know a lot a lot of other people that are that weren't in 2020.

00:35:49.000 Well, but even at the time in 21, I mean, people like me that got let go, other bands, people from bands all around that got fired.

00:35:56.000 My guys went on tour.

00:35:57.000 They all caught COVID anyway.

00:35:58.000 I wasn't there to blame.

00:35:59.000 It didn't matter.

00:36:01.000 It was just about getting everybody in line.

00:36:05.000 Everyone has to do this.

00:36:06.000 We're not going to have any dissenters in the camp.

00:36:09.000 It exposed a lot of people, a lot of bad people.

00:36:12.000 Or you don't agree with bad people, but it exposed a lot of people who are willing to engage in dark deeds.

00:36:17.000 There you go.

00:36:19.000 We'll agree on that one.

00:36:20.000 I'll meet you there.

00:36:21.000 I'm just saying.

00:36:23.000 But for me, with the white lung or whatever, the new thing, the fact that this new, the newest round of the vaccine, the brand new one, that nobody wants.

00:36:34.000 There's another rounder?

00:36:35.000 There's a new, an updated booster, right?

00:36:37.000 So now they're saying what Hochul in New York was like, well, if you got the other ones, it doesn't matter now.

00:36:42.000 Now you need this new one.

00:36:43.000 Because nobody wants it.

00:36:44.000 I think it's up to 14% uptake.

00:36:47.000 So it's like, does that make the other 86% of Americans anti-vaxxers now?

00:36:51.000 Did you?

00:36:52.000 Oh, wow.

00:36:52.000 Yes.

00:36:53.000 Did you see Ken?

00:36:54.000 In Texas, they're suing Pfizer.

00:36:57.000 The Texas AG is suing Pfizer, stating that Pfizer lied about the efficacy of the vaccines and what they did.

00:37:04.000 So that's, I mean, it's kind of wild to think a state is now going after these corporations saying that they put out lies.

00:37:10.000 Now, what really pissed me off, YouTube, to this day, is aligned with a company that is currently being, I believe they're being sued, I believe that's what Ken Paxton launched, was it a lawsuit or an investigation?

00:37:21.000 I think it was a lawsuit.

00:37:22.000 Yeah, I think it's a lawsuit.

00:37:22.000 So, YouTube's policies are to align with the opinions of private capitalist corporations that are selling a product instead of board-certified doctors who are going on YouTube and saying, like, here's my expert analysis.

00:37:36.000 No, those people are getting banned.

00:37:37.000 That's crazy.

00:37:38.000 Yeah, anybody who said anything against the narrative was banned.

00:37:41.000 I wonder if your doctor went on YouTube and stated, here's what I told Pete, I wonder if you would have got banned.

00:37:49.000 I would imagine.

00:37:50.000 Yeah.

00:37:50.000 It was just the fear was so, so elevated in 2020.

00:37:55.000 Like June 2020, people, legitimate doctors that were offering counter opinions were getting banned.

00:38:00.000 It's not the case anymore.

00:38:01.000 A lot of these same opinions now are kosher.

00:38:03.000 Well, because a lot of the stuff they said back then that was called conspiracy stuff has been widely accepted as fact now.

00:38:09.000 But, you know, no credit given to the people who were banned and censored over it.

00:38:13.000 But now we all go, oh, well, yeah, obviously it didn't stop transmission and obviously, you know, but it's still, you know, then they like to twist the wording like, well, it cut down on hospitalizations.

00:38:24.000 Well, it made your symptoms less severe.

00:38:26.000 And it's like, well, that's not what was sold to everyone.

00:38:29.000 Or stuff they can really even prove.

00:38:31.000 Right.

00:38:31.000 Are these guys that you want to name?

00:38:35.000 You know, are they so well known?

00:38:38.000 I don't want to do anything that anybody doesn't want to.

00:38:43.000 See, you joke, and then I'm saying that. 0.99

00:38:44.000 I just like the thought of people I know going, oh shit. 0.99

00:38:48.000 He likes to have the list. 1.00

00:38:50.000 He likes to have the list.

00:38:51.000 I think we gotta name them.

00:38:53.000 But it's an issue of, you name people who've done bad things. 0.95

00:38:55.000 Like, I'm gonna criticize the Offsprings, I think that was a total dick move. 0.94

00:38:59.000 And we know they did it. 0.98

00:39:00.000 Yeah.

00:39:01.000 But I think we gotta name people who've done bad things, because the issue is, These people are coming up to a fork in the road.

00:39:08.000 There is a path towards the light and a path towards the dark.

00:39:12.000 And they're looking around like, well, if I go to the dark side, I'm gonna get some free stuff.

00:39:15.000 As long as nobody finds out.

00:39:17.000 Yeah.

00:39:17.000 They don't want to do the right thing because they're scared everyone will watch them do it.

00:39:20.000 They're scared that the people on the dark side will attack them and they'll get harmed.

00:39:24.000 They know that if they go to the dark side, the people in the light won't attack them.

00:39:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:27.000 Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I think that there's a good percentage of those people that think that they're going to the light and I'm going to the dark.

00:39:37.000 I know For a fact.

00:39:39.000 I made my own choices.

00:39:40.000 I made my own decisions.

00:39:41.000 You think that they know willingly?

00:39:42.000 I think that... No, I think it's like 80-20.

00:39:44.000 I think 80% of these people who are standing with the mob... I'm gonna need a pencil.

00:39:48.000 Now we gotta do math.

00:39:49.000 We're doing math.

00:39:51.000 I think 80-20.

00:39:54.000 Got some paper.

00:39:55.000 One in five people genuinely think they're doing good.

00:39:57.000 The rest are like, I know what I'm doing is wrong, but I hope no one finds out because I don't want to be the one to get the negative.

00:40:02.000 I think for sure, I think there's plenty of that.

00:40:05.000 Here's the thing, you know, whatever we want to say.

00:40:08.000 Thank you.

00:40:09.000 Give it to me, professor.

00:40:10.000 Carry the one.

00:40:11.000 Carry the one.

00:40:12.000 That side's already taken.

00:40:14.000 Why did you write your name on it?

00:40:15.000 I don't know why.

00:40:18.000 He wrote your name on it.

00:40:19.000 I think it's because I claimed that piece of paper when I tore it off.

00:40:21.000 So he's like, this is yours now.

00:40:23.000 Um, here's the thing.

00:40:26.000 I think, you know, we can talk about the negative.

00:40:29.000 We can talk about, you know.

00:40:31.000 Offspring or whatever they didn't do or however you feel about them or they shattered young Tim's Skateboarding and listening to pretty fly for a white guy.

00:40:40.000 Why don't you get a job?

00:40:42.000 That was your song?

00:40:43.000 That was one of them.

00:40:44.000 Yeah, it's super easy.

00:40:45.000 It was like F. What is it?

00:40:46.000 What's that song like F?

00:40:47.000 And yeah, it's obli-dee-obla-da.

00:40:49.000 It's obla.

00:40:49.000 Exactly, right?

00:40:50.000 That was everybody's favorite line to yell at me online was why don't why won't you get a job?

00:40:57.000 But yo, can we just point out how conservative the messaging of Offering was?

00:41:00.000 Let me just finish my thought.

00:41:02.000 And we can go back to your favorite bit.

00:41:04.000 But I think the point needs to be made that it's like through all of that, you know, me and Pete are now friends and me and the guys from The Defiant, good has come from that.

00:41:16.000 So whatever, like, I'm so past like, You know, I mean, I want things to be different going forward.

00:41:23.000 Whatever this white lung may or may not be, or whatever the next, you know, bullshit they're going to throw at us in order for corporations to make a lot of money, I hope that we've learned something from this.

00:41:34.000 Like, oh, I did that last time, but I'm not going to do this again this time. 0.79

00:41:37.000 And I think Pete's point about this, you know, the 53rd booster, nobody's getting it.

00:41:42.000 I think, you know, slowly but surely people are starting to learn whatever's going on here.

00:41:48.000 So, so, it's, it's like, I don't, I don't really, the negativity, I don't think I need to, to, to bask or even dwell or even live in that at all.

00:41:57.000 To me, it's like, Noodles and Dexter forever will be Noodles and Dexter to me.

00:42:01.000 And I, and, and the, you know, Todd, who plays guitar now, I guess, for the offspring, you know, bass, he's bass.

00:42:10.000 He was bass player, but didn't they move him to guitar?

00:42:12.000 He was guitar, all the way around.

00:42:14.000 All the way around.

00:42:14.000 He wanted the bass job?

00:42:16.000 What do you want from me?

00:42:19.000 I thought that that was like, he was, he was bucking to be the guitar.

00:42:22.000 All right.

00:42:22.000 So I get it backwards anyway.

00:42:24.000 So he's the bass player.

00:42:25.000 He's been my friend since we were, you know, years for a long time.

00:42:29.000 He was a kid when I first met him.

00:42:31.000 And when I wanted to meet Pete, when I found out that, you know, what had happened to him and I wanted, he said, Hey, maybe we should make some music together.

00:42:38.000 Todd gave me a Pete's phone number easily, willingly, and not with any kind of, you know, anger or anything.

00:42:46.000 So.

00:42:47.000 You know, I'll never forget I you know, I'm gonna actually I'll give you my list Tim you can put it in to save somewhere I won't forget, you know the way people behaved in the way they acted and there's certain things that happened to me that But I had but if they came if these people came out to me be I you know be Hey, how you doing?

00:43:03.000 We played a festival a couple of weeks ago.

00:43:06.000 Bunch of bands that I know, you know, probably very negative about us were real, real welcoming to us and we were treated really well at the festival by the people there.

00:43:16.000 I'm more of a figurative divine retribution kind of guy.

00:43:21.000 Yeah.

00:43:22.000 And I think that We don't want bad people.

00:43:28.000 We don't want them to keep doing these things.

00:43:32.000 And we don't want them to do it to more people.

00:43:34.000 And so what I would love, I would love if after they axed Pete the way they did, they couldn't find another drummer.

00:43:42.000 And not maybe for even ideological reasons.

00:43:46.000 Let's say they go, they say, okay, you know what, this Pete guy, we've known him for 14 years, and we don't want to work with him anymore because he won't take this, his doctor doesn't want him to get this vaccine, so we're firing him.

00:43:56.000 So then they call up somebody, we need a new drummer, and they all go, wait, you fired your drummer for what? 0.95

00:44:00.000 Because a doctor gave, I'm not, are you nuts? 0.92

00:44:01.000 You're going to fire me in two seconds.

00:44:03.000 Well, the problem with that is Tim, and I know you love the offspring so dearly.

00:44:08.000 I like their songs.

00:44:09.000 I won't deny it.

00:44:11.000 Playing the drums for the offspring is a real easy job.

00:44:13.000 So replacing Pete was no... I'm kidding.

00:44:18.000 I'm just saying, if no drummer agreed to take your position, they'd be forced to say we're sorry, Pete.

00:44:28.000 And the bad action is rectified.

00:44:31.000 And through no pain, other than you made a mistake, nobody wants to work with you for doing this because you did a mean thing to somebody.

00:44:37.000 But instead, some other drummer's like, I'll take the money, I don't care.

00:44:39.000 There are other methods of retribution that can manifest, like if Pete were to leave the band and then Offspring makes another song that's even better than anything they've done, but The Defiant makes one even better than that.

00:44:49.000 Well, we've already done that.

00:44:51.000 I gotta be honest, yeah, I think, like the songs you were playing earlier, I was like, wait, that was an original?

00:44:55.000 And I was like, I thought you guys were just jamming.

00:44:58.000 And it was actually, I assumed it was like a top 40.

00:44:59.000 Yeah, it's just ours.

00:45:02.000 I mean, with the Smash Mouth guy, what do you say?

00:45:04.000 I mean, you got one of the greatest songwriters of this or any generation.

00:45:07.000 Craig's the Smash Mouth guy.

00:45:09.000 Very inspired by the Bosstones, actually.

00:45:11.000 I'm just gonna let you guys know that right now.

00:45:13.000 Thank you, Craig.

00:45:14.000 That is kind of the coolest thing ever, though, to be honest.

00:45:17.000 Just you guys getting to work with other musicians that you've also liked?

00:45:22.000 It's a blast.

00:45:23.000 And not only that, because we all have the same beliefs and the same sort of values and not in a million years would if someone came to me and said, hey, you know, my doctor said, you know, I can't take this and everybody else is going to.

00:45:41.000 I figured just like you said, I would have figured out a way.

00:45:44.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 This guy is my friend, and that's just the way I've always done things, if you want to talk.

00:45:52.000 I don't know about the rest of your shirts, but Pete's got the Misfits on, and Michael Graves has been here.

00:45:56.000 He's a rad dude.

00:45:57.000 Michael's awesome.

00:45:57.000 I played on one of his songs.

00:45:59.000 He's a great dude, and he had a different kind of, for lack of a better term, cancellation journey than me or other people and whatever, but he's rad.

00:46:10.000 Again, I wouldn't have I probably wouldn't have met him through you guys here.

00:46:18.000 The first punk show I ever played with my band Impact Unit, a hardcore band, was opening up for the Misfits in Boston.

00:46:28.000 I was 17 years old.

00:46:31.000 See that's the, for, I think a lot of people listening right now, especially people have been commenting like they bought all the Boston records, they were kids listening to this stuff.

00:46:38.000 People are commenting?

00:46:39.000 Yeah, yeah, they're chatting, they're writing about, but I mean like that story is like, so many people are inspired and that's like the stuff of legends for them.

00:46:46.000 It was a thrill.

00:46:47.000 It was actually a pretty big kind of famous show.

00:46:49.000 I think they made their video for Brain Eaters in Boston the day before.

00:46:54.000 And they had a bunch of Boston hardcore punk rockers, some of the guys from the FU's, D.Y.S., bass player from my band Impact Unit, a kid named Sam McAfee, a nice old man like me. 0.85

00:47:06.000 um they were in this and look it up brain eaters is the name of the song not you ian oh and not even you can't stop me not even i'm talking to the people commenting oh yeah so it's a great video of them just uh i guess they're eating cow brains oh wow kind of kind of just to wrap up my my last point yeah i could understand did i step on it or shit on it I don't think so. 0.75

00:47:28.000 I understand what you're saying about we want to find the positive and move forward and focus on the good. 0.67

00:47:34.000 I couldn't for a million years.

00:47:37.000 I don't like my friends being treated badly, but we're moving on.

00:47:40.000 But then my concern is...

00:47:43.000 What if they do it again?

00:47:44.000 What if they do it worse?

00:47:46.000 What if our culture becomes dominated by people who know they can get away with doing bad?

00:47:50.000 I think you want to... Too late.

00:47:52.000 Forgive?

00:47:53.000 For sure, but don't we want to just, you know, resist and say, at the very least, don't do that?

00:47:58.000 But here's the thing about this particular band, is that, you know, there was a lot of anticipation about us even just doing our first show, and like, what that would be like, and A lot of people were like, oh, they're going to get booed off stage and all this kind of thing.

00:48:12.000 It's like us doing good and us doing our music and just, you know, doing well is very powerful.

00:48:19.000 And actually, now that you guys with this new album are going to, you know, just shatter the billboard charts and make millions and millions of dollars, everyone's going to be sorry.

00:48:28.000 You know, they're going to regret it.

00:48:30.000 Sure.

00:48:31.000 From your mouth to God's ears, my friend.

00:48:34.000 Thank you, young Timmy Poole.

00:48:34.000 That's the thing with still, you know, people yell at me online, like, why are you still talking about all this?

00:48:39.000 And it's like, because I don't want people to forget.

00:48:41.000 All I see right now is what you're saying is, oh, we need an amnesty.

00:48:44.000 We need to, you know, we're going to memory hole this. 0.99

00:48:47.000 You know, we did the best we could with the information we had, and that's bullshit. 0.97

00:48:50.000 I'm sorry, no amnesty, we need a Nuremberg. 0.99

00:48:53.000 It's crazy that they say that when they also simultaneously wished death on you. 0.97

00:49:00.000 Like, I want you to die, I want you to get no hospital care if you get sick. 0.98

00:49:05.000 Didn't Kimmel say that? 0.99

00:49:06.000 Like, the things that they said and now they want you to move on.

00:49:09.000 It's like, without saying, hey, I'm so sorry that I said such Awful things to you.

00:49:14.000 They like to say, we all said things that we regret.

00:49:16.000 And I'm like, I don't.

00:49:17.000 I still back everything that I said, but you know, now that the narrative has shifted, everybody's like, well, I don't want to admit I was wrong, so maybe we should all just... I'm sorry, dude.

00:49:26.000 I gotta go. 0.90

00:49:27.000 I gotta say, I mean, if you, Dickie, went to the hospital, Jimmy Kimmel thought you should die.

00:49:33.000 I'm sorry, man.

00:49:34.000 I don't like the guy.

00:49:37.000 Believe me, that broke my heart.

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:39.000 Believe me.

00:49:40.000 And I'll tell you something.

00:49:41.000 I was still announcing the night he said it.

00:49:44.000 Wow.

00:49:45.000 And he knew that I was not going to get vaccinated.

00:49:50.000 So, and he knew, and we were friends and we talk on the phone.

00:49:54.000 Tim, when I tell you, we talk on, Hey, you know, the whole, the same old stuff we always talked about.

00:49:59.000 I had been, I did this and that.

00:50:01.000 but so yeah it broke my heart but there was so much else going on at the time for me and and you know what what when i decided not to do what i did when i decided i wasn't going to get that covid shot it affected me monetarily too it affected you know my livelihood my lifestyle it wasn't an easy decision but the reason i made that decision is because there's people that Followed what I do.

00:50:31.000 And, you know, Boston's fans, you know, Ian's out there that are Boston's fans.

00:50:37.000 Well, Dickie did this, so I guess it's cool.

00:50:41.000 And I just didn't want to send that signal.

00:50:43.000 I didn't want to tell them not to.

00:50:45.000 I'm really excited to say this next line, because before the show, when we were talking about, you know, the Smash Mouth music, and I started thinking about the 90s playlist that we got going on, and of course, the impression that I get.

00:50:56.000 I mentioned you have that line in the song, I'm not a coward, I've just never been tested.

00:50:59.000 I like to think that if I was, I would pass.

00:51:01.000 And I was like, I looked up and I was like, bro, you passed.

00:51:04.000 Well, thank you for saying that.

00:51:05.000 It's kind of just such a cool thing for me.

00:51:07.000 I'm a little kid.

00:51:08.000 Of course I knew the song.

00:51:10.000 In my car, I have 90s playlists.

00:51:12.000 90s was the last decade.

00:51:13.000 My favorite decade, sorry guys, is the 80s.

00:51:15.000 But the 90s music, of course, has been a rotation.

00:51:18.000 My favorite decade is the 70s.

00:51:20.000 That 70s stuff was great, dude.

00:51:22.000 What was your favorite stuff?

00:51:23.000 I mean, it's true.

00:51:24.000 A.M.

00:51:25.000 Gold, I liked all of that.

00:51:26.000 You know, Seals and Croft, or America, or all the California stuff, early California stuff.

00:51:33.000 But anyway, that line, man.

00:51:35.000 It's like, I grew up, I remember hearing that.

00:51:38.000 It was brilliant.

00:51:38.000 It's a brilliant lyric, the whole structure of it.

00:51:40.000 Well, I'll tell you, the song itself was just that, was just about, I mean, we were a ska band playing ska music, traveling around in a van and then eventually a bus.

00:51:50.000 And we had the opportunity for, you know, there was 12 guys in that van that You know, could go from city to city, show up, people were excited you were in their town and they'd come out and hear you play.

00:52:01.000 I was like, wow, this is a great life, which led me to think about, you know, generations that went before us.

00:52:06.000 And it's like, I'm so, you know, the people that lived through Vietnam or, you know, your grandparents, the Great Depression and, you know, all kinds of, and I'm like, my generation just really hasn't had anything, you know?

00:52:19.000 And, you know, maybe enter, you know, 9-11 and then You know this for me this this you know the pandemic and everything the lockdown so and me being forced to say

00:52:33.000 Oh my God, I'm going to do something that's going to possibly affect my family.

00:52:40.000 Was it as hard as you imagined the challenge would be?

00:52:44.000 When you wrote that song?

00:52:45.000 Dude, I was laying awake at night going, I should just do it.

00:52:50.000 I should just go against all my values.

00:52:52.000 I should go against all my beliefs and I can do it.

00:52:56.000 I'm not afraid of it.

00:52:59.000 But I had a very supportive wife.

00:53:02.000 And my kids are wonderful.

00:53:04.000 They're probably younger than a guy my age should have, but I can't imagine the world without them.

00:53:11.000 But I said no.

00:53:13.000 But the one thing that I kept thinking was I don't want people to get a vaccine based on my decision.

00:53:22.000 Or I didn't even want to get the fake card.

00:53:25.000 I didn't want a signal and I didn't want to You know, so for me, it was off the table and I, and I couldn't do it.

00:53:32.000 I know a lot of people who, uh, I believe have fake cards and nobody, nobody says it explicitly, but you get a wink and you're like, I think I know what they're doing.

00:53:40.000 Yeah.

00:53:41.000 I have plenty.

00:53:41.000 You want me to read the list?

00:53:44.000 I kind of do.

00:53:47.000 For me with the fake card thing, cause that was suggested to like, well, we'll just do this.

00:53:51.000 And it's like, no, I don't want to do that.

00:53:52.000 Cause number one, same.

00:53:54.000 I don't want to look like I'm okay with any of this.

00:53:57.000 Cause I'm not.

00:53:58.000 And I don't want anyone thinking, oh, everyone in the band got it, so I should get it too.

00:54:03.000 But not just that, your position was substantially worse.

00:54:05.000 Because you have a doctor saying like, hey, you know, Pete, based on your history, I don't think this is a good fit for you.

00:54:09.000 And then you're like, I'm gonna tell everyone I did anyway.

00:54:12.000 And not only are you then saying, I'm okay with this, you're also saying, even when my doctor told me not to, I did it anyway!

00:54:17.000 And it's like, no!

00:54:18.000 But also, you take that card, and then you lose your voice there.

00:54:22.000 Now I can never say anything, because now, you know, there's legal ramifications there.

00:54:26.000 And so I'm looking at my kids and going, Well, what am I showing them here?

00:54:30.000 If I'm hiding from this, or I'm not standing up here, what kind of father am I?

00:54:35.000 So yeah.

00:54:36.000 Hey dad, what did you do? 0.96

00:54:37.000 Yeah, I'm going to face the firing squad.

00:54:38.000 I pulled up like a deck chair and I got a fake card.

00:54:41.000 Right, but show them that there's no opportunity, your job, and there's no one above you, your employer, government, anybody that should be able to tell you what to do with your body.

00:54:51.000 And if I can't stand up here and show them, How do I expect them to hold on to themselves later in life?

00:54:56.000 So for me, if those are the only two people that were affected positively by my decision, then that's plenty for me.

00:55:04.000 So what's it been like since I mean, so you guys are in a band, you got songs coming out, you're playing shows obviously, right?

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:09.000 Yep.

00:55:10.000 Just just started playing shows record came out right before Halloween.

00:55:13.000 We've got a show coming up.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, we got a show next week in Anaheim with the Aquabats.

00:55:17.000 Oh, wow.

00:55:18.000 That's amazing.

00:55:19.000 Yeah.

00:55:20.000 And and there's no beef.

00:55:21.000 Everyone's super chill and the music and the fans are gonna show up and Um, yeah.

00:55:26.000 You mean Beef Amongst Us?

00:55:28.000 No, no, no, I mean like people aren't screaming and boycotting your shows, like there's other bands.

00:55:34.000 We'll let you know.

00:55:35.000 I'll text you from the show.

00:55:37.000 But you've played a show before, right?

00:55:38.000 Yeah, we played that festival in Southern California as well.

00:55:41.000 Yeah, so we just did one show a few weeks ago.

00:55:43.000 This will be our second show.

00:55:45.000 You see some of these guys from these bands who are running these fake cards?

00:55:49.000 They like put their heads down and just like scuttle out of the room?

00:55:52.000 I ran into the Teenage Fan Club.

00:55:54.000 Is that the name of that band?

00:55:55.000 No, Teenage Bottle Rocket.

00:55:57.000 Teenage Bottle Rocket.

00:55:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:59.000 And it's a band that the Boston's took on the road years ago when they were kind of just starting out Teenage Bottle Rocket.

00:56:06.000 And they were good guys and we enjoyed being around them.

00:56:09.000 And I liked the band.

00:56:09.000 But during The pandemic, there was a lot of hullabaloo around them where they were actually, you know, like reading the paper and go, what's this all about?

00:56:19.000 The Teenage Bottle Rocket is playing a show in Florida.

00:56:24.000 And if you're vaccinated, it's, you know, $20.

00:56:29.000 And if you're unvaccinated, it's a thousand dollars.

00:56:32.000 I remember that.

00:56:33.000 You remember that?

00:56:33.000 This is Teenage Wild Rocket.

00:56:35.000 So, um, I was like, I was so angry.

00:56:39.000 I was like, why the hell are they doing that?

00:56:41.000 And then they ended up on CNN and I could see, they look like kind of deer in the headlights on the show, on the CNN show.

00:56:48.000 And they're real enthusiastic, like CNN was about it.

00:56:52.000 Like, look at these guys, this is just great.

00:56:53.000 So you're going to do good for you.

00:56:55.000 You know, if you're unvaccinated and they're like, well, you know, uh, Kind of stammering and stuttering a little bit, and the segment ended, but I've been mad at them since. 1.00

00:57:07.000 Well, it was illegal what they did. 0.98

00:57:08.000 They were playing this festival, and we pulled up in the parking lot, and me and Greg drove down together, and I got out, and they were getting out of their van next to us like, oh shit, the Defiant. 0.85

00:57:22.000 I was walking around like that anyway, around the thing.

00:57:25.000 All, you know, hello, hello, how are you?

00:57:28.000 The defiant is here.

00:57:30.000 And about halfway through the day, one of the guys from Teenage Bottle Rock goes, dude, I really want to tell you a story.

00:57:38.000 And he explained to me, basically, he got railroaded.

00:57:42.000 The whole band got railroaded.

00:57:43.000 It's like, we wanted to start playing shows again.

00:57:46.000 And then, you know, all of a sudden, this promoter starts announcing, It's a thousand dollars for this.

00:57:54.000 You know, we were scrambling to find out what the hell's going on and why are they doing that?

00:57:58.000 And then they got the news involved.

00:58:00.000 Once the news were involved, now they're on CNN.

00:58:03.000 Now they're on, you know, people do it.

00:58:04.000 And there was a time where it's kind of, you know, well, they didn't know what to do.

00:58:10.000 So CNN made a start, I mean, should they have said, you know, hey, under no uncertain circumstances, but they didn't know, they didn't want to be thrown in the, you know, they all got shots, they were all vaccine, vaccinated guys.

00:58:24.000 And so they were agreeing with the thing, but they didn't agree with the show and the terms as it was.

00:58:31.000 I'm fairly, so I think in the real world, You can't discriminate on the basis of disabilities and things like that.

00:58:37.000 Yeah.

00:58:37.000 And so there's an issue for someone who goes to their doctor and the doctor says you're not a candidate for the vaccination.

00:58:42.000 Yeah.

00:58:43.000 Like, for instance, if Pete went to that show and they tried charging you a thousand bucks because your doctor has prohibited you or advised you against, there's nothing else you can do.

00:58:52.000 That's like... What is it?

00:58:53.000 The ADA?

00:58:55.000 The Americans with Disabilities Act?

00:58:57.000 You're not allowed to charge someone more money based on a medical issue.

00:59:03.000 However, I kind of feel like you go to any judge with that.

00:59:07.000 I'm not familiar with the ADA, I'm sorry.

00:59:08.000 Well, it's basically non-discrimination based on medical issues and disability.

00:59:11.000 Okay.

00:59:12.000 Whereas EEOC is like non-discrimination in the workplace based on certain characteristics.

00:59:16.000 And then you have human rights law in states that protect customers and things based on race.

00:59:22.000 So the Civil Rights Act would protect you based on race, religion, national origin, et cetera.

00:59:26.000 But, uh, I'm fairly certain if you brought suit, the judge would ignore the law and just side with the cult.

00:59:34.000 And be like, we are all marching in lockstep, we don't care what the law is.

00:59:37.000 Well at that time there was such a fervor and such a, oh, this is great!

00:59:41.000 They should pay $1,000.

00:59:42.000 What if they did, though?

00:59:44.000 And then you would have all the people that paid $20,000, and then the people that paid $1,000, and they'd be like, well, now we're unsafe, and they're still here.

00:59:51.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:59:52.000 That makes everyone safe.

00:59:54.000 Kyler, I doubt anybody paid $1,000.

00:59:56.000 I mean, I kind of wish I did. 0.93

00:59:57.000 But that was the ridiculous... You would have. 0.53

00:59:59.000 Wear a t-shirt that says, I paid $1,000 to be here. 0.90

01:00:03.000 Unvax, and then just be like, who wants to stand next to me?

01:00:05.000 You know what I think?

01:00:06.000 Nobody would care.

01:00:07.000 Well, that's how ridiculous everything was at the time, though, because it's like, OK, cool.

01:00:11.000 So you're mandating it on your band and your crew.

01:00:13.000 You're not mandating it on the crowd.

01:00:15.000 Is there some invisible barrier between the crowd and the band?

01:00:18.000 You're all crawling over each other.

01:00:19.000 You're screaming and singing, leaning out in the audience.

01:00:22.000 How does it make any sense medically that, you know, half of the people here don't have it and half do?

01:00:31.000 That's a good point.

01:00:32.000 That's an excellent point.

01:00:33.000 But let's even go beyond this.

01:00:34.000 I mean, The, uh, who was it?

01:00:37.000 Was it Bad Religion?

01:00:38.000 They put out that alt-right song.

01:00:40.000 Do you remember this?

01:00:41.000 The Kids Are Alt-Right, I think the name of it was.

01:00:43.000 Yeah, it was Bad Religion, yeah.

01:00:44.000 Yeah, yeah, that song was pro-alt-right, and it was the weirdest thing for me.

01:00:48.000 That, I don't know if they were trying to be ironic in praising white nationalism, or what was going on, but I bring this one up because something weird happened in the Trump era with punk rock.

01:01:00.000 Where punk became corporate mainstream, rage against the machine is now known as rage on behalf of the machine.

01:01:06.000 Like, what's up with this?

01:01:07.000 Have you guys experienced this?

01:01:10.000 Was it my fault?

01:01:11.000 Yeah, you jumped ship.

01:01:12.000 I mean, you were like, I'm out of here.

01:01:13.000 I just don't think they realize.

01:01:16.000 I don't think they realize.

01:01:20.000 I think people are into legacy protection mode, like they're playing prevent-defense here.

01:01:25.000 Everybody's so scared because everyone's getting called out for something all over the place, right?

01:01:29.000 So all these bands are like locking down, hunkering down, keep your head down, don't do anything controversial, don't say anything controversial, like let's just ride this out.

01:01:39.000 Like everybody's worried about getting their whole legacy erased for doing one thing wrong.

01:01:44.000 Voting for Trump. 0.99

01:01:44.000 But also, that whole concept of being anti-establishment, being like, you know, fuck the man, all this kind of thing, was sort of easy to say when it didn't really mean anything. 0.99

01:01:54.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

01:01:55.000 It was just like, you could just throw that stuff out there.

01:01:59.000 But when it actually is like... This is right, man.

01:02:00.000 It's kind of sad. 0.99

01:02:01.000 How many punk rock, fuck the man bands said, govern me harder, daddy, as soon as it came down to the line? 0.95

01:02:10.000 I think there's such a vast majority of people too that were coming from a good place in the sense that they were just trying to do what they thought was the right thing and I think that they're really victims as well. 0.99

01:02:21.000 They just don't understand.

01:02:25.000 You know, I disagree, but I understand what you're saying.

01:02:27.000 But I disagree because that's what we call the banality of evil.

01:02:30.000 Yeah.

01:02:32.000 The commonplace actions of the ignorant masses, believing that what they're doing was a just cause, leads to people being loaded up into train cars and then brought off to gas chambers.

01:02:40.000 They just don't see it though, you know what I mean?

01:02:41.000 They think they're doing the right thing.

01:02:44.000 And there are powers much bigger than themselves that are... Snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche.

01:02:50.000 But if we... This is what it all just comes back to, I mean, all of these people who marched in lockstep with authoritarian, fascistic ideologies and forced medical treatments will gladly do it again if they think the pain is on their side and not on our side.

01:03:10.000 What I mean is, It's like I was saying with the two roads.

01:03:14.000 If they look over here, and all we say is, we will forgive you and just move on, they're like, okay, then I have no risk whatsoever for knifing you in the back.

01:03:22.000 And they look to where they're standing, and the guy next to him says, 0.98

01:03:25.000 you make one wrong move and I'll destroy you.

01:03:27.000 And they're like, I'm with you, I'm with you.

01:03:30.000 Because he knows, none of you guys will ever speak out.

01:03:33.000 You're like, you'll defend yourselves, you'll move on, you'll be successful, those are all good things.

01:03:38.000 But it's like you're saying with the, you know, I understand there's a difficult line of like,

01:03:42.000 are you really gonna read off a list of names of bad people?

01:03:46.000 That's why I'm like, some people may have done bad things, but we will try to forgive as many as we can

01:03:50.000 when it makes the most sense.

01:03:52.000 We'll try to inform them and say, hey, come to the side of the light, don't do it again, because here's the risks you face.

01:03:56.000 But some of these people are just, I'm sorry, man, I know you don't agree, but I think some of these people are evil.

01:04:00.000 You gotta live, you gotta forgive, but not forget.

01:04:03.000 Those people lost their knife privileges, because if you really think that they're gonna turn around and knife you in the back, you take their knife away.

01:04:09.000 That's what you get for doing that.

01:04:10.000 I forgive you, but you don't get to use your knife right now.

01:04:13.000 And like, if we could take everybody that got the last three years so catastrophically wrong who were in charge, can we not let them be in charge again next time?

01:04:20.000 I think it's not worth being angry.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, we should do that.

01:04:23.000 If there's no accountability, they'll keep doing it.

01:04:25.000 But it's not worth getting... It's like if you're in a cycle of abuse, if you're abused, it's important for you to be able to forgive that person so you don't live in hatred because the hatred just kills you.

01:04:35.000 It's bad for you.

01:04:36.000 It's like holding on to anger only burns you.

01:04:38.000 You know that metaphor?

01:04:39.000 I think it's like Sun Tzu even maybe.

01:04:41.000 So I think that's the state of mind.

01:04:42.000 I'm not angry with these people, I won't let myself get there, but I don't trust... I have less trust for the masses than I did before, that's for sure.

01:04:51.000 I just think we need to establish counter-narratives before, ahead of time, like we talked about White Claw, whatever the hell it's called.

01:04:57.000 White Claw?

01:04:58.000 Alien subterfuge.

01:05:00.000 That too!

01:05:03.000 What's next?

01:05:04.000 Is the power gonna go?

01:05:04.000 White fang.

01:05:05.000 Yeah, white fang. 0.90

01:05:06.000 White fang. 1.00

01:05:07.000 White zombie. 0.99

01:05:07.000 White zombie, love him. 0.99

01:05:09.000 White lung. 0.96

01:05:09.000 It's kind of fun talking about like, what's the next big PSYOP? 0.96

01:05:12.000 If we can talk about it now and ridicule it, by the time it comes around the bend, everyone's ready for it.

01:05:16.000 That's the way to beat in the future, not like scream at them when they're already coming at you.

01:05:21.000 I want to say this, because when I said this to Dickie before the show, he told me to say it on the show, and then he wrote it down.

01:05:28.000 Because I said, if you want to really make a positive change, Buying the Defiant's new album is more effective than donating to a politician and voting.

01:05:37.000 I'm not saying don't vote.

01:05:38.000 I'm not saying don't donate to politicians.

01:05:39.000 Those are important too, and I think you should definitely vote.

01:05:41.000 But politics is downstream from culture.

01:05:44.000 And a successful band that... So, I talk about ways to prevent this stuff from happening again.

01:05:50.000 Here's a simple way.

01:05:52.000 The Defiant ends up becoming a multi-platinum band, and you guys are the biggest thing ever.

01:05:57.000 You know, Winning the lottery ticket levels of odds, like, are you gonna crack a synth-pop Billboard Hot 100 and beat Taylor Swift?

01:06:04.000 I gotta be honest, I don't think so, but that level of success, sorry guys, but that level of success is trend-setting, sends a message to regular people that the path of success is in standing up for these values, being a good person, and not being on the wrong side of history or whatever they call it.

01:06:25.000 The reason I'm so invested in building culture, like we're doing the skate show, I've been posting a ton of skate clips, is I want young people to look at the success and say I can be defiant and succeed like they did.

01:06:37.000 If you guys don't succeed, kids are going to grow up believing I have to just toe the line otherwise I'm doomed.

01:06:43.000 So while voting is important, the cultural arts and music and media that persists instructs the politics.

01:06:52.000 More specifically the defiant.

01:06:54.000 The defiant as a band specifically is going to save the world, you gotta buy their album.

01:06:58.000 Come on, let's play a song!

01:07:00.000 That's the cue right there.

01:07:02.000 But I see what you're saying, though.

01:07:03.000 You know, politics is very wishy-washy, very transient, and follows trends.

01:07:08.000 Where do trends come?

01:07:09.000 Trends come from culture.

01:07:10.000 So yeah, I agree.

01:07:11.000 You can affect politics through culture, where you can't do it the other way around.

01:07:16.000 Look, they just expelled Santos, right?

01:07:21.000 So, I mean, that's big news.

01:07:22.000 We're having fun talking cultural stuff.

01:07:25.000 Santos is a Republican.

01:07:26.000 They say he's a liar and he lied about all these things.

01:07:29.000 So they vote to expel him from Congress.

01:07:31.000 There's a video of them taking his plaque off the wall, removing him from his office.

01:07:35.000 Jamal Bowman, the Democrat, committed a crime going to a fire exit, pulling the warning signs off and pulling the alarm and running away.

01:07:44.000 And they don't do anything to him.

01:07:47.000 Because the machine, the politics, is controlled.

01:07:49.000 So even when Republicans win, and all these people are like, we're gonna vote Republican this time because Democrats are doing all these bad things, what happens?

01:07:57.000 They expel the Republican because he's a liar, but not the Democrat who's literally committing crimes in the Capitol complex.

01:08:04.000 That's what you get with politics.

01:08:06.000 So you know what?

01:08:08.000 We need to make these things unthinkable.

01:08:11.000 And how do you do that?

01:08:12.000 When people are looking to the media, looking at influence, looking at who the big stars are... Who are people looking up to?

01:08:20.000 It's going to be the people who are saying, screw that, that was wrong.

01:08:23.000 And then, that will dictate the rest of how people are going to act.

01:08:27.000 When all the big celebrities, TV shows, comedy shows, people like Kimmel, take the other side of it, People get scared that they don't want to be the other.

01:08:37.000 Nobody wants to be othered.

01:08:39.000 They want to be part of the mainstream.

01:08:41.000 So when the mainstream personalities are saying, do as you're told and take the medication regardless of what your doctor says, and YouTube allows people to do it, which is wild, then people are scared, like if I speak up, they'll come after me.

01:08:52.000 Now what if we inverted that?

01:08:53.000 What if the defiant was bigger than all these other bands?

01:08:56.000 And they said, nah, you should just take your doctor's advice, ignore all these people.

01:09:00.000 The government shouldn't force you.

01:09:02.000 Then people are going to say, I'm scared to mandate.

01:09:05.000 You see what I mean?

01:09:06.000 Yes.

01:09:07.000 That's my point.

01:09:07.000 I see what you mean, but I want your listeners to understand that too.

01:09:11.000 Yes, because then they'll buy your album.

01:09:14.000 Do you know what he's asking you to do, people?

01:09:17.000 In all reality, I'm saying... In no uncertain terms, Tim is telling you, make The Defiant huge.

01:09:24.000 Thedefiantofficial.com, by the way.

01:09:26.000 The simple point is, if people like... What genre would you describe your music as?

01:09:31.000 Punk?

01:09:32.000 We call it punk, yeah.

01:09:33.000 If you're into that kind of music, put it on your playlists.

01:09:36.000 Check out the songs.

01:09:36.000 The songs are really great.

01:09:37.000 If you're not into it, Put it on your playlist too.

01:09:40.000 I guess if but no look if you're if you're not into it but you support ideologically then be an activist and put it on your playlist and and listen to it or even more so buy the album to make a statement.

01:09:51.000 I prefer if you like the music you buy it and that's kind of why you're doing it but we just what I want to see is everyone is a good person.

01:09:59.000 That's that's the second thing we disagree on I don't care if they like it or not I still just want.

01:10:03.000 Just buy it.

01:10:04.000 No, I'll take it.

01:10:05.000 I'll take it.

01:10:05.000 I'm kidding with you.

01:10:06.000 Good people should be successful.

01:10:08.000 It shouldn't be that you guys are all good dudes who are sticking up for your friends or sticking up for yourselves or just following your doctor's advice and you get punished for it.

01:10:16.000 So let me tell you guys a story.

01:10:18.000 You guys ever hear of the Yes Men?

01:10:21.000 These political activists?

01:10:23.000 They have like a TV show or something?

01:10:24.000 Are we supposed to say yes?

01:10:25.000 I think yes.

01:10:26.000 I don't know if they had a show, but they do these culture jamming pranks and one of the things they did was on the anniversary of the Bhopal disaster, which was this big chemical spill that happened, I think it was in India, killed a lot of people.

01:10:41.000 On the anniversary of it, or before the anniversary, they made a fake website that looked like a Dow Chemical website, which owns Union Carbide, the company involved.

01:10:51.000 Made this fake website, and the BBC reached out to their fake website and asked them to send a representative to talk about it.

01:10:57.000 Their activist, though, is a trap.

01:10:59.000 Dude goes on the BBC and then declares, Dow Chemical will liquidate Union Carbide and use all of the revenue to pay the families and the victims of the Union- of the- of the- of the- of the Bhopal disaster.

01:11:13.000 And the BBC was like, what?

01:11:15.000 Like, this is insane!

01:11:17.000 This is crazy!

01:11:19.000 Became massive news instantly.

01:11:21.000 Dow Chemical instantly put out a press release saying, this is not our representative, we are not doing this, we take no responsibility.

01:11:28.000 The stock collapsed.

01:11:29.000 Wow.

01:11:30.000 And then after it was cleared up, it rebounded.

01:11:33.000 That's not good news.

01:11:35.000 What activists pointed out was, when it became apparent to the public that Dow Chemical was doing the right thing in paying the victims of the disaster, their stock collapsed.

01:11:49.000 People jumped ship and they lost money for doing the right thing.

01:11:53.000 Turns out they weren't doing the right thing, they were doing the wrong thing and the stock rebounded.

01:11:56.000 That's the sad reality of our culture and our system.

01:12:00.000 So I'd prefer it if the defiant hit billboard number one double platinum overnight for whatever reasons and then we get to lord it over all the evil people and say maybe you should be good people and you'd get support as well.

01:12:12.000 Instead it's just so So crummy sometimes when it looks like all the nasty people are successful and they're winning and they're making money and they're, you know, headlining these big shows.

01:12:21.000 It's not always like that, but, you know.

01:12:24.000 I feel dark.

01:12:25.000 Optimistic.

01:12:26.000 I'm optimistic.

01:12:27.000 I feel good will overcome.

01:12:29.000 I agree.

01:12:29.000 I do.

01:12:30.000 Yeah.

01:12:31.000 I think ultimately.

01:12:32.000 Punk is a genre. 1.00

01:12:34.000 I always thought it was like, hey dude, I'm yelling my shit! 0.99

01:12:36.000 Like, that's like punk, but is it more like you're just, you're considered a punk? 0.99

01:12:41.000 Yeah.

01:12:41.000 Hold on.

01:12:42.000 I was just getting started in it.

01:12:43.000 All right.

01:12:45.000 Start again, Ian.

01:12:46.000 What's the question?

01:12:47.000 I am a punk!

01:12:48.000 Can you hear my voice?

01:12:50.000 Anyway, that was a joke.

01:12:53.000 Is it that you're considered a punk by the mainstream establishment?

01:12:57.000 It doesn't matter how you sing.

01:12:58.000 You might be singing a beautiful soprano voice, but if you're saying things that disrupt the establishment, are you then the new punk?

01:13:04.000 Or is it just counterculture, and the punk happened to be counterculture at the time?

01:13:08.000 That's subjective in so many ways.

01:13:10.000 Bob Dylan could be considered punk rock.

01:13:14.000 I'd like to say punk.

01:13:16.000 Is to music what your shirt is to shirts?

01:13:23.000 You get a good shot of each.

01:13:24.000 It's classy, fantastic, beautiful and inspiring, but also a sloppy mess.

01:13:28.000 That's laughing!

01:13:30.000 Like, that's not what that shirt is!

01:13:32.000 Purchased on Amazon.

01:13:33.000 Shows the right amount of chest hair.

01:13:35.000 It's made of a synthetic phrase here.

01:13:38.000 I think it's silk.

01:13:40.000 I don't think necessarily punk has to be angry, though.

01:13:44.000 I mean, our record's not angry.

01:13:45.000 We're not angry people.

01:13:46.000 It's very melodic.

01:13:47.000 But I think the punk attitude is that you have something to say.

01:13:51.000 Yeah, I really like that line in your song where it's like, bring on the guillotines, it's time, it's time, you know?

01:13:56.000 I don't recall that.

01:13:57.000 No, it's not in there.

01:13:58.000 But yeah, I mean, that to me feels like music in general has gotten really safe over the last decade or so to where nobody's, I mean, especially now, everyone's afraid to say anything.

01:14:09.000 So all the music is very bland, even the punk rock stuff is very Bland enough that we're kind of saying something, we're shaking our fists at the man, but we're not really saying something, but hopefully whatever you're going through you can take from this and think that the song is about you.

01:14:24.000 It's bland enough to apply to everyone, but that's not taking a swing at anything.

01:14:28.000 So I think for a band like us to come out and People's expectations might be, because of my situation or Dickie's situation or any of our situations, that all these are just going to be angry guys, you know, shaking their fists at this guy.

01:14:40.000 And it's not that at all.

01:14:41.000 And I think that's what's been exciting is for people to discover the music and be like, Oh, my expectations were wildly off base.

01:14:49.000 This is actually really, really accessible, really good.

01:14:52.000 So you could have, like, punk rock, like you were saying, punk pop, you could have punk rap?

01:14:57.000 There's an attitude for it.

01:15:00.000 I mean, it is still a musical style as well, but, you know, it doesn't necessarily have to be in that box, per se.

01:15:06.000 So, we have this song that I mentioned earlier, the kids are alt-right by bad religion, and the response everybody basically gave was like, this song sounds like they're in support of white nationalism.

01:15:17.000 And it's really weird that because they just said it was against it, then the left just agreed with them.

01:15:23.000 Like, one of the lyrics is, if you're alone and feel downtrodden as an elixir for your ills, join the alt-right post-light and darkenment order.

01:15:30.000 There's, um, everybody needs somebody, join the party, the kids are alt-right.

01:15:34.000 Bad Religion's definitely not alt-right, if that helps you.

01:15:36.000 Yeah, we know those guys.

01:15:37.000 Well, I know, but like, this song was not written as a hard critique of alt-right.

01:15:43.000 It's actually just writing what they think and how, if you're feeling down, you can be like them.

01:15:48.000 And I was like, what?

01:15:51.000 I just thought that, I don't know, was it like a bad attempt at trying to be topical and being political?

01:15:58.000 I don't know.

01:15:58.000 They have a tendency to be somewhat sarcastic.

01:16:01.000 I mean, you know, like in the recipe for hate, that record has a lot of that, you know, which a lot of people I remember in those days when that record came out.

01:16:10.000 A lot of white supremacists took the lyrics of that song and were like, yeah, these guys are for us.

01:16:15.000 And it was like, no, it's actually very sarcastic.

01:16:18.000 A lot of the lyrics, you know... But that doesn't matter.

01:16:20.000 If you write a song where it's like, join the party, and they're like, yes, please, you can claim it's sarcastic.

01:16:26.000 But if the average person doesn't interpret it that way, and it's a mixed message, all you're doing is telling people to be white nationalists.

01:16:33.000 Well, I think they're playing a character.

01:16:36.000 I think that it's, you know...

01:16:39.000 I don't think.

01:16:40.000 Yeah, it's not coming from any... It's like our song, We Make Drugs.

01:16:45.000 Ted Kennedy's had that same kind of thing, though.

01:16:48.000 They play the part in order to be more clever about it. 1.00

01:16:55.000 And if you don't get it, then you're the idiot kind of thing. 1.00

01:16:58.000 Oh, we did a song of that, Genocide. 1.00

01:17:00.000 One of the lines is, you're marching to the beat of just... We are.

01:17:04.000 We are.

01:17:04.000 We are marching to the... Well, we literally are.

01:17:07.000 It's about war.

01:17:07.000 I don't think we are.

01:17:08.000 I don't think we are, and I hope that talking about it changes it.

01:17:13.000 The weirdest thing for me as a kid who grew up punk rock, for as long as I can remember, is that it was all about sort of being anti-government, anti-big business, always questioning big pharma, always being anti-war, anti-industrial, military-industrial complex.

01:17:33.000 All of these things were very...

01:17:36.000 Free speech was a very big one too and all these things were very they also felt very left to I like that to me That's the biggest The most bizarre thing of this whole past few years is I'm literally the same person that I've always been same beliefs same Everything else, just the world around has become this.

01:17:55.000 You're for free speech?

01:17:57.000 Yeah.

01:17:57.000 So you're conservative?

01:17:58.000 No, no, no, no.

01:18:01.000 You are now?

01:18:02.000 Joe Rogan's a conservative.

01:18:03.000 That's what I'm saying though.

01:18:05.000 You can be standing in the same place and the world is shifting around you and now you're getting pointed at.

01:18:09.000 Literally doing the same.

01:18:10.000 I'm saying the same thing.

01:18:12.000 I'm doing the same thing.

01:18:13.000 I believe the same thing that I've always believed as a punk rocker.

01:18:16.000 There were songs that I can attribute, like you said, government flu with dead Kennedys was really about COVID. 0.53

01:18:24.000 Like that was a song that like raised me, you know, and it's like all of that stuff is,

01:18:30.000 and I share those same.

01:18:32.000 Well, so the argument from the left is that if you were a liberal in the night in 1955,

01:18:40.000 10 years later, you're like, I'm standing in the same spot.

01:18:44.000 And all of a sudden they're calling me right wing for saying we shouldn't end segregation.

01:18:47.000 You're like, what's going on?

01:18:48.000 It's like the NAACP, while they were fighting against racism and fighting against segregation and everything else, they were also fighting for the right of a Klansman to be able to They have their First Amendment rights, you know what I mean?

01:19:02.000 I mean the ACLU, sorry.

01:19:05.000 No, no, no, sorry.

01:19:05.000 No, but the argument from the left is that... I'm a high school dropout, Tim, so I'm just gonna put that out there.

01:19:11.000 The argument from the left is that if you were a traditional liberal in like 1955, ten years later after the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, you're like, I don't understand.

01:19:20.000 I've been standing in the same spot, but the world changed around me.

01:19:22.000 And so their argument is, yes, If you hold the same views you did 30 years ago, you are a conservative, because they are the left and the liberals, and you are the traditional right-wing position.

01:19:34.000 Reality, though, conservative's an adjective, it's not a noun.

01:19:36.000 So you are conservative, you are not a... there is no such thing as a... There is.

01:19:42.000 ...adjective.

01:19:42.000 That makes no sense.

01:19:43.000 It's like, a green?

01:19:44.000 Am I really a green?

01:19:45.000 No, green is an adjective.

01:19:46.000 Well, not just making semantic arguments, but people who use the word liberal and conservative refer to a person.

01:19:50.000 You, as a neutral dude, can be conservative sometimes and be liberal sometimes.

01:19:53.000 And you can conserve liberal principles.

01:19:55.000 Like the First Amendment.

01:19:56.000 You obviously want to conserve the First Amendment.

01:19:58.000 It doesn't make you, uh, conservative, like, dude, you know, like, very wildly liberal, like, I want to liberate, I want to change the laws, too.

01:20:04.000 That makes me very liberal.

01:20:06.000 Ian, you're wrong.

01:20:07.000 Conservative is a noun.

01:20:08.000 Well, that's what maybe the internet tells you, but... Keep in mind everything Google tells you.

01:20:12.000 Don't put yourself in a box unnecessarily.

01:20:14.000 Ian, will you do your punk rock song again?

01:20:16.000 Hey, I'm coming from the north and the south!

01:20:20.000 But if you think back to what punk rock was all about and what it's always been all about, it's like, at the moment right now, I don't know what the percentage is, 70, 80% or more of all television advertising, the advertising that's taking place on YouTube, it's all pharma-based, right?

01:20:37.000 It's like, this is what we've been trained for, you know what I mean?

01:20:40.000 And we're funding I don't know how many wars at the moment, like this is what This is what we've trained for.

01:20:48.000 Well, I got bad news for you guys.

01:20:51.000 If you're anti-war, you have to vote for Donald Trump.

01:20:53.000 He's the anti-war candidate.

01:20:54.000 No, he's the first president in my lifetime that didn't start a war.

01:20:57.000 He created a timeline for the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

01:21:00.000 I'm a Kennedy man myself.

01:21:02.000 I think Kennedy would be good on war as well, especially.

01:21:05.000 Yeah, I think Kennedy would be anti-war, he'd be anti-mandate.

01:21:08.000 So that's why a lot of people do like Kennedy as well.

01:21:10.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 I am.

01:21:12.000 But I find that acceptable.

01:21:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:14.000 Like, excellent.

01:21:16.000 Of RFK Jr.

01:21:18.000 But I've refused to change my policy.

01:21:22.000 I don't care how many wars there are.

01:21:23.000 I don't care.

01:21:24.000 I still am going to be anti-war. 1.00

01:21:27.000 Absolutely.

01:21:27.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 No, I agree.

01:21:28.000 I'm never going to like war.

01:21:29.000 I'm never going to support it.

01:21:31.000 I'm never going to feel good about any wars we're involved in.

01:21:34.000 And I think that we should be sophisticated enough in the modern world to just say enough's enough and figure out how to end it.

01:21:43.000 Oh, but the machine needs to be fed.

01:21:44.000 I know.

01:21:46.000 So you gotta throw something into it.

01:21:48.000 You gotta nuke something.

01:21:49.000 Did you read Smedley Butler's book?

01:21:51.000 No, no, but I've read excerpts is the best I can say.

01:21:55.000 It's an easy read.

01:21:55.000 Yeah?

01:21:56.000 Yeah.

01:21:56.000 That was the banker plot, right?

01:21:58.000 What was it called?

01:21:59.000 He was like the most decorated marine of all time.

01:22:03.000 And this is a...

01:22:05.000 What was his book called?

01:22:06.000 I think it was The Business of War.

01:22:09.000 No, it wasn't The Banker.

01:22:10.000 What was that?

01:22:11.000 The Business of War.

01:22:13.000 Smedley Butler.

01:22:15.000 War's a racket. 0.73

01:22:16.000 War's a racket. 0.73

01:22:17.000 Yes.

01:22:17.000 Anti-war classic by America's most decorated, uh, something or something.

01:22:21.000 Oh, okay.

01:22:22.000 Here we go.

01:22:22.000 The Wall Street push.

01:22:24.000 The business plot.

01:22:25.000 Gangsters of capitalism.

01:22:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:26.000 When, uh, they, they, these guys went to Smedley Butler and said they wanted to overthrow the U.S.

01:22:30.000 government, take over.

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:33.000 But, but anyway, but the whole book is about exactly, you know, War is a business.

01:22:39.000 War is a racket.

01:22:40.000 We're sending people to die so that other people can get richer.

01:22:44.000 And that hasn't changed a bit since good old Smedley's day.

01:22:50.000 After World War II, we were just talking about this on We Are Change.

01:22:53.000 We kind of, as a country, had an opportunity to decide, how are we going to unify this world?

01:22:56.000 Are we going to do it culturally?

01:22:57.000 Are we going to do it religiously?

01:22:59.000 Are we going to do it scientifically?

01:23:01.000 Are we going to do it through war?

01:23:04.000 Henry Kissinger, God rest his soul, just passed away at the age of 100, was like, we're gonna do it through war, and we're gonna do it through limited war, so we don't have to bomb Moscow if West Virginia gets hit.

01:23:13.000 We don't go right for the capital.

01:23:15.000 It's not, let's keep it limited.

01:23:17.000 But I think they did us a great disservice.

01:23:18.000 The other argument, though, is like, if you just sit tight and try and defend yourself and just have strong borders, that gives them an opportunity to develop a sneak attack.

01:23:25.000 And you've got to, like, be looking outside and around for incoming potential threats.

01:23:31.000 This goes around and around in my head.

01:23:33.000 The military-industrial complex has 97 military bases all over Earth.

01:23:38.000 The Romans were doing the same thing. 0.95

01:23:41.000 The French thought they were safe from the Germans before World War II.

01:23:44.000 They were like, we have the Maginot Line.

01:23:46.000 It cannot be penetrated.

01:23:47.000 The Ardennes Forest to the north cannot be penetrated.

01:23:49.000 We're okay.

01:23:50.000 We have a strong defense.

01:23:52.000 And then the Germans had invented some new technology with the Panzer tank. 0.76

01:23:56.000 And it just shredded all defensive capability.

01:23:58.000 They took the capital in three weeks.

01:23:59.000 They went south.

01:24:00.000 And then they went through the forest yeah through the forest unexpectedly so like it's just sitting isolationism isn't the way because then that gives them a chance to build up their military for a sneak attack but I don't know I don't think that invading and conquering countries is necessarily necessary in order to You're just saying, like, maybe a couple preemptive nukes on their capitals?

01:24:20.000 I don't know what to do, because the United States won't... Please tell me what he's saying.

01:24:24.000 I'm really having trouble following.

01:24:25.000 I think it's me.

01:24:27.000 Basically, like, if you don't patrol your borders beyond your borders, like, if you just sit right behind the wall, someone's going to come over that wall.

01:24:34.000 So you've got to go out there and, like, and that's what our military industrial complex is.

01:24:37.000 This isn't helping.

01:24:38.000 Yeah, Ian's basically saying he wants limited warfare like Kissinger wanted.

01:24:42.000 I wonder if there's a better way to establish global dominance, or at least global order, without war mongering.

01:24:50.000 Well, economic hitmen.

01:24:51.000 You know?

01:24:52.000 Like, what if we sent intelligence assets and special agents to go offer up these leaders of these other countries bribes?

01:25:00.000 If they don't take the bribes, then we try to remove them from power, and then when that doesn't work, we can send in these states, these coups, and have them dragged through the streets like, you know, like Gaddafi was. 0.86

01:25:12.000 You know, maybe something like that, Ian?

01:25:14.000 Just trying to buy them all off?

01:25:15.000 Ian, I'm describing what they literally do. 0.96

01:25:18.000 Yeah, it's disgusting.

01:25:19.000 Do you guys know the tales of the economic hitman or whatever?

01:25:22.000 Yeah.

01:25:23.000 I forgot the guy's name.

01:25:24.000 Luke would know way more about this, but basically he said, this is what the US foreign policy is.

01:25:28.000 We first go to them and say, you're going to do what we want and we're going to make you rich.

01:25:32.000 And they go, I don't want to be rich.

01:25:33.000 I'm going to fight for my people.

01:25:34.000 They say, okay, then we're going to do everything we can to support your opponents and put in a new leader.

01:25:38.000 Good luck.

01:25:39.000 If that doesn't work, then they say, okay, send in the troops.

01:25:41.000 Do you have that guy on your show?

01:25:43.000 No, no, no.

01:25:44.000 It's John Perkins is his name in the book, Confessions of an Economic Hitman.

01:25:47.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:25:47.000 I read that book.

01:25:48.000 Oh, right, so you know about this stuff.

01:25:50.000 Yes. 0.98

01:25:50.000 Crazy. 0.98

01:25:51.000 Dirty, anti-republic, evil, crazy stuff. 1.00

01:25:54.000 Unsurprising. 0.97

01:25:55.000 We're at the point now where like... But great book.

01:25:57.000 Yeah, like the United States isn't going to get invaded because they got nukes.

01:26:00.000 Russia's not going to get invaded.

01:26:01.000 China's okay. 0.69

01:26:02.000 They're not going to get invaded.

01:26:03.000 India's not going to get invaded.

01:26:04.000 So like we're kind of past the whole conquer the earth thing now.

01:26:08.000 Maybe they didn't expect that in the 50s.

01:26:10.000 They thought like, we have to, but... That's why they're going for the one world government.

01:26:15.000 Like economically, the economic forum is trying to build like a new order, like a global order.

01:26:20.000 Yeah.

01:26:20.000 Here's what I think.

01:26:21.000 You guys want to know the truth?

01:26:23.000 Yes.

01:26:23.000 The reason why all the UFO stuff is coming out?

01:26:26.000 Because what's actually happened is there's a galactic federation of planets.

01:26:29.000 But the Earth can't join the galactic federation because there's no unified Earth government to represent Earth to the galactic federation.

01:26:35.000 And so they came and the aliens were like, look dude, if you want Earth in the federation, you need a unified governing body to represent your planet.

01:26:43.000 Otherwise, who are we bringing in?

01:26:44.000 Russia or the United States or China?

01:26:46.000 Y'all gonna blow each other up.

01:26:48.000 So you get that sorted, we'll be back.

01:26:50.000 And now they're like, quick, quick!

01:26:51.000 We gotta join the alien federation!

01:26:53.000 That's why all the news about aliens is coming out.

01:26:54.000 See?

01:26:54.000 That proves it.

01:26:55.000 Wow.

01:26:56.000 That's all it takes.

01:26:59.000 I told Joe that in Rogan, and he's like, I don't think there's a Galactic Federation.

01:27:02.000 I'm like, Joe, I'm joking.

01:27:06.000 I guess it sounds a little plausible.

01:27:07.000 My perfect way forward would be that our culture is so badass that we establish such, everybody wants to learn English, everybody wants to dance like we dance and think like we think, that they start overthrowing their totalitarian governments and create statehood.

01:27:20.000 You know, the problem is, though, half the country is like the parents from Footloose.

01:27:23.000 We're trying to get everybody to dance, and they're saying, no dancing!

01:27:25.000 I think dancing is the answer though.

01:27:27.000 You're onto something here.

01:27:28.000 Bill and Ted's excellent adventure was prophetic.

01:27:31.000 Yeah, but you know what's kind of sad is like Bill and Ted's excellent adventure was amazing and then Bill and Ted's bogus journey was just a lot of fun.

01:27:38.000 Yeah.

01:27:38.000 And then what was that third thing they did that was just like they took a dump on the floor?

01:27:42.000 Oh, I didn't see the third one.

01:27:44.000 Guys, the 90s was the last decade.

01:27:46.000 Do you agree?

01:27:46.000 I feel like it.

01:27:48.000 I feel, yeah.

01:27:49.000 Like the 90s.

01:27:50.000 Once we got into like the 2000s.

01:27:52.000 It's nicer to hear a younger person say that.

01:27:54.000 Yeah, I would say.

01:27:55.000 Yeah, my favorite decade is probably the 80s, just because of how insane it was with the leopard print hot pants and the mullets.

01:28:03.000 Yo, how much fun was that?

01:28:04.000 And plus, Tears for Fears.

01:28:05.000 Oh yeah, and the busy businessmen doing coke all the time.

01:28:08.000 But Tears for Fears is just one of the greatest musical performances of all.

01:28:13.000 I love Tears for Fears.

01:28:14.000 But I do love the 90s, too.

01:28:15.000 I'm a kid of the 90s.

01:28:17.000 But, like, we can look at the 50s, we recognize it.

01:28:19.000 We see the 60s, we recognize it.

01:28:20.000 70s, 80s, 90s.

01:28:22.000 And then the 2000s happened, and it's kind of like, oh, kind of, for the first few years, maybe, like, long-sleeve shirts underneath short-sleeve shirts or something.

01:28:31.000 And then it just fizzled out, and now it's just a spattering of... Especially film-wise, I would say.

01:28:37.000 You know, my 14-year-old daughter loves 80s and 90s movies.

01:28:41.000 That's all she wants to see.

01:28:42.000 I mean, it's the golden era.

01:28:44.000 Groundhog Day?

01:28:46.000 And the fashion, too.

01:28:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:48.000 Time kind of... First of all, you should check out Roland Orzabal's solo album, Tomcat Screaming.

01:28:53.000 He's the lead singer from Tears for Fears.

01:28:55.000 Tim, you're gonna love that freakin' album.

01:28:56.000 Probably.

01:28:56.000 Tears for Fears is amazing.

01:28:57.000 But when the internet got started, internet video, a kind of time ceased to exist.

01:29:00.000 Like, time is, first of all, not a real thing.

01:29:02.000 It's a human concept to explain motion.

01:29:04.000 Disagree.

01:29:05.000 We use it to coordinate motion, but basically, things are just spinning around in the universe, constantly moving.

01:29:10.000 All it is is movement.

01:29:11.000 And so we built this thing called time to, like, understand where things will be when, or where things are gonna be.

01:29:17.000 I gotta pause you there and just say, Ian's wrong.

01:29:20.000 I mean, we could do a whole show about that.

01:29:22.000 We can, yeah!

01:29:22.000 Time is a thing, it does exist.

01:29:24.000 So, with the static nature of internet video, you no longer wait till Thursday.

01:29:28.000 Like, you don't have, like, next week on.

01:29:31.000 It's like, it's always there all the time.

01:29:33.000 So, like, that's, I think, why this idea of, like, decades are gone.

01:29:36.000 Like, it's all one space now, it feels like, in a lot of ways.

01:29:39.000 So, if you believe modern science, and I can totally get that a lot of people at this point are like, I don't even know, man.

01:29:44.000 Time is a thing.

01:29:45.000 It's a construct.

01:29:46.000 No, like they've sent a bunch of spheres into orbit that were like four one-hundredths of an atom correct, and then had them drag through space-time to prove Einstein's theories that space-time is a tangible thing.

01:30:00.000 Space-time is a thing.

01:30:02.000 And space and time are... Right.

01:30:04.000 Space-time is a tangible thing.

01:30:05.000 But also cultural time is a different thing.

01:30:09.000 We actually had this conversation earlier talking about, you know, There was a cultural change that was much more rapid from the 50s, 60s, 70s.

01:30:20.000 Man, things really changed.

01:30:23.000 Yeah.

01:30:23.000 Now, things don't really, like decade by decade, you know, musically and things like that, you're not seeing that drastic of a change between what was happening in the 50s, 60s.

01:30:34.000 I mean, there was a massive change just in just a short amount of time.

01:30:38.000 Now it almost, like, Time has slowed down culturally.

01:30:43.000 And in terms of things changing and things progressing.

01:30:46.000 That's that's my theory.

01:30:48.000 Kids are going to see bands now that you saw in the 90s.

01:30:52.000 Yeah.

01:30:53.000 Yep.

01:30:53.000 Like Offspring are still selling.

01:30:55.000 Oh, dude, there was a viral video of a woman wearing a Nirvana shirt. 1.00

01:30:58.000 Woman.

01:30:58.000 She was over 18.

01:30:59.000 And she's like, I don't know what this is.

01:31:01.000 Everybody just has it.

01:31:02.000 They wear it.

01:31:03.000 And she's like, I don't even know what it is.

01:31:04.000 And it's like, that's a band from the 90s.

01:31:06.000 My point is, though, that and if if, you know, Nirvana was still around people would still be seeing Nirvana concerts, but I wasn't going to see the big bopper

01:31:18.000 in the 1980s.

01:31:21.000 Exactly.

01:31:22.000 Big Bopper was not headlining a festival in 1980, you know what I'm saying?

01:31:27.000 That's because he got killed in a plane crash.

01:31:29.000 Sorry, bad example.

01:31:30.000 But you know what?

01:31:31.000 My point is, it's the 50s artists.

01:31:34.000 50s artists were not headlining festivals in the 1980s, where now the artists that are headlining festivals are from at least 40 years ago.

01:31:42.000 Let me ask you.

01:31:44.000 Fairness to the big bopper if he was alive.

01:31:46.000 Worst example, sorry.

01:31:48.000 If he hadn't gotten on that little plane.

01:31:50.000 Buddy Holly?

01:31:51.000 No, not Buddy Holly.

01:31:53.000 When you guys were younger, were there like older dudes wearing jackets that said like Harry Roy and his orchestra?

01:31:59.000 Or like Glenn Miller Band?

01:32:00.000 No.

01:32:01.000 Or how about Harry James?

01:32:03.000 These were the top bands of the 1930s.

01:32:04.000 My guy over here is wearing a Misfits jacket. 1.00

01:32:08.000 We love the Misfits. 0.98

01:32:09.000 But like, what is that, like 80s?

01:32:12.000 I love the 80s, by the way.

01:32:13.000 I mean, so good, right?

01:32:13.000 See what I was saying?

01:32:14.000 You guys agree.

01:32:15.000 But I mean, that's 40 years ago, dude.

01:32:17.000 Crazy, right?

01:32:18.000 40 years from when I played with the Misfits in 1982.

01:32:22.000 40 years from that, it would be like... Back to the Future is a perfect example.

01:32:25.000 You know, Back to the Future is like, it's a 30-year period, and you're just like, oh my god, look how different the world was in 1955 versus 1985.

01:32:28.000 period. Oh my god look how different the world was in 1955 versus 1985. Like if you do that,

01:32:35.000 you do that from 30 years now, it would not look that much different. You think the cultural shifts

01:32:39.000 that were happening, those drastic changes in decade to decade, was because the mass media

01:32:43.000 was like forcing us to see it a certain way? No.

01:32:46.000 No, I think the lack of interconnection actually pushes things forward.

01:32:51.000 Because then people are going, oh, what's going on over there?

01:32:54.000 Oh, wait, what's going on?

01:32:55.000 There's not so much transparency, I think.

01:32:58.000 That's just my own theory.

01:32:59.000 So like this homeostatic, it's because we're so connected.

01:33:02.000 It's slow.

01:33:03.000 It's not changing as fast now.

01:33:04.000 Like actors are getting AI versions of their personalities getting created for future movies.

01:33:09.000 James Earl Jones just said he doesn't want to do Star Wars anymore, but they can have the rights to his voice.

01:33:13.000 They already do have the rights to his voice.

01:33:14.000 Yeah.

01:33:14.000 So he's around forever.

01:33:16.000 Like time just stopped all of a sudden.

01:33:17.000 There's no more... Did he sell the rights to his voice or did he just say you could have it?

01:33:21.000 Well, so the challenge, I think, they're definitely going to go and ask him.

01:33:25.000 I think he did sell the rights.

01:33:26.000 Yeah, he did the thing where you record all the phonetic permutations.

01:33:31.000 But we're also at a point where, and 30 Rock predicted this one, where Jack Donaghy, played by Alec Baldwin, is like, we have the rights to Jerry Seinfeld's voice from Seinfeld, so we can just take all the recordings and then mash his lines and make a new show.

01:33:47.000 So he's like, that's technically correct.

01:33:50.000 He could.

01:33:51.000 Put them all in a database and then run them through the AI to make a new show using his voice.

01:33:55.000 Yeah.

01:33:56.000 So we've done this with a voice app.

01:33:58.000 Like, I can take any one of your voices.

01:34:00.000 Take Ian's voice.

01:34:02.000 I'm not going to do it right now because I have to pull up the app. 0.99

01:34:04.000 Take it and then put it through a filter so I can understand what the fuck he's been talking about. 0.97

01:34:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:34:09.000 You and a lot of other people.

01:34:11.000 But you can take like a clip of Rogan for 10 seconds and then make Rogan say anything you want.

01:34:15.000 I think I heard that clip.

01:34:16.000 There's a bunch of them.

01:34:18.000 We've done a bunch for fun.

01:34:20.000 We let Jordan Peterson say stuff, and you can just make anybody say anything you want these days.

01:34:25.000 It's crazy though, because a lot of these Hollywood contracts will be like, we own your likeness in perpetuity across all universes in every venue, and it's like Chris Hemsworth, I don't know if he signed that when he did Thor, but to think that Disney could do a deepfake of Chris Hemsworth saying and doing whatever they want him to do is like a human rights violation.

01:34:42.000 If that guy didn't give, like he signed some contract before deepfake technology existed, Of all the human right violations that are going to take place going forward, that's going to be the one I'm least concerned about.

01:34:53.000 I think we should play some music.

01:34:55.000 Yeah?

01:34:56.000 Yeah, I think if you guys want to play some songs, we'll play some songs.

01:34:59.000 I've run out of energy.

01:35:01.000 All right, well, go to sleep.

01:35:03.000 I'm kidding.

01:35:04.000 Let's get it.

01:35:05.000 So I'll pull up, we'll intermix some Super Chats while they're getting all that stuff ready.

01:35:12.000 But I figure we'll do the songs now, we'll get the Super Chats in, and we'll go a little later than we normally do.

01:35:15.000 And I'll explain everything else to you after that, Dickie.

01:35:17.000 Yeah.

01:35:18.000 While they're getting the music stuff set up, which will probably take about a minute, we'll grab some Super Chats.

01:35:21.000 So smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, and Carter, you're standing in front of the camera.

01:35:28.000 Sorry, everyone.

01:35:30.000 Alright, here we go.

01:35:32.000 Xana520 says, I regretfully have to announce the passing of one of my feline companions.

01:35:36.000 He was a trooper.

01:35:37.000 He was abandoned, survived frigid winters outside, got shot, and was brought back from the brink.

01:35:44.000 It would have to be cancer to finally take him out.

01:35:46.000 Rest in peace, Toby.

01:35:47.000 Run free.

01:35:47.000 Wow, man.

01:35:48.000 Sorry to hear it.

01:35:48.000 Mr. Bocas is here.

01:35:50.000 You know, Mr. Bocas, he's got a neckerchief on right now because he scratched his back up pretty bad.

01:35:55.000 But, you know, I don't know how much time he has left, but he made it a year.

01:35:57.000 He made it a year.

01:35:59.000 Look at that.

01:35:59.000 You see, they're getting ready.

01:36:00.000 That sounds good.

01:36:01.000 I'm going to go to the bathroom now that we're taking a little interlude.

01:36:05.000 Here we go.

01:36:05.000 It's going to be fun.

01:36:08.000 Ethan Sacco says, gotta miss tonight to see The Shift.

01:36:11.000 I'll post how it is.

01:36:12.000 We, uh, I want to be totally dishonest.

01:36:15.000 You know, we did buy tickets, but with Alex here, we wanted them, we got, we filmed a commercial for Casper, so, and then with soundcheck and production, we were just up here all night.

01:36:23.000 We weren't able to actually go see The Shift yet.

01:36:27.000 Check one, two.

01:36:28.000 Oh, that's loud.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:30.000 Is that too loud for you?

01:36:31.000 Well, that's not why am I in a bucket?

01:36:33.000 I'm in a bucket dear eliza. That's easy Yes.

01:36:43.000 Which camera is the... I'll switch it over.

01:36:46.000 We're playing acoustically.

01:36:52.000 I think that's worth mentioning.

01:36:54.000 It sounded so good earlier.

01:36:55.000 Thank you.

01:36:56.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

01:36:57.000 But I don't want people to buy the record.

01:37:00.000 Our record rocks.

01:37:02.000 It does.

01:37:02.000 And Pete doesn't sit on it.

01:37:04.000 Well, that was funny, because they played one song.

01:37:07.000 Is it It Is Over, or It's Over?

01:37:08.000 It Is Over.

01:37:09.000 It Is Over.

01:37:10.000 And then I was like, wait, was that an original?

01:37:12.000 And Dickie's like, you didn't listen to the album.

01:37:15.000 I was like, I gotta be honest.

01:37:16.000 What do I gotta do?

01:37:18.000 What is it gonna take?

01:37:19.000 But the song was so good, I was like, wait, there's no way, that's too good.

01:37:23.000 You've done alright for yourself, come on.

01:37:25.000 I gotta be like, okay, then what I should say is, those other songs weren't good enough!

01:37:29.000 I expect more from you guys!

01:37:31.000 What do you think?

01:37:33.000 Ha ha ha ha!

01:37:35.000 Whistling What song you guys got first?

01:37:39.000 Dead Language.

01:37:41.000 This is my favorite, but I think it is over.

01:37:44.000 My new favorite.

01:37:45.000 Pete showed me the album early on, and Dead Language, I was like, whoa, that song.

01:37:50.000 That slaps. 0.99

01:37:52.000 Thank you.

01:37:53.000 How you feeling?

01:38:03.000 Friday night, punk rock show, acoustic.

01:38:06.000 Pete did this really awesome thing where he's sitting on the kick drum with his heel on the pedal.

01:38:10.000 You're saving space here.

01:38:12.000 I can't just leave this, man.

01:38:14.000 Okay, well...

01:38:16.000 The original music setup we had was supposed to... was like, we'll do an acoustic guitar and a singer maybe,

01:38:20.000 but these guys were like, we could do it.

01:38:22.000 And I was like, yes, you can do it.

01:38:24.000 Yeah.

01:38:29.000 Yep.

01:38:29.000 So this is the Defiant stripped down version.

01:38:33.000 You ready?

01:38:35.000 First Trash House sessions, and yeah, I'm ready when you guys are.

01:38:42.000 Surges?

01:38:43.000 Oh, he's trying to get the camera real nice.

01:38:46.000 So yeah, these clips from these sessions are gonna go on the Trash House YouTube channel.

01:38:50.000 What's the channel?

01:38:51.000 Is it Trash House Records on YouTube?

01:38:53.000 It is Trash House Records on YouTube, correct.

01:38:55.000 So all the clips from all the songs will be up there as well?

01:38:57.000 Correct.

01:38:59.000 And we got more coming.

01:39:00.000 I was talking to Phil.

01:39:01.000 Phil said they're gonna come with all the remains later on.

01:39:03.000 At some point when they're doing more shows.

01:39:04.000 I'm like, anytime, buddy.

01:39:06.000 Cool.

01:39:08.000 Dude, I love the P that's just slammed in the corner.

01:39:10.000 Ladies and gentlemen, The Defiant!

01:39:12.000 Here we go!

01:39:14.000 I go outside and leave this place.

01:39:31.000 I've got the S.A.

01:39:33.000 blast in my face.

01:39:36.000 And I feel awkward and out of place.

01:39:39.000 I've got everything I need right here.

01:39:42.000 Fingertips, literally.

01:39:45.000 And there's an out for everything.

01:39:49.000 So I go back to reality.

01:39:52.000 It's clearly overrated, my dear Why?

01:39:57.000 Forget love Love is blind

01:40:03.000 you Plus, who's got that kind of time?

01:40:08.000 Yeah, now we walk like zombies in the land of the lost.

01:40:12.000 Re-fabricated, you can watch your eyes go broke.

01:40:15.000 Invest in peace, dead language, and the times that can come.

01:40:19.000 Thank the Lord for opposable thumbs.

01:40:21.000 Asleep at the well, crawling from the curb to the door.

01:40:25.000 I've had some deep conversations with the living before.

01:40:29.000 I should have died at 27, like my heroes before.

01:40:32.000 But I was too busy having fun.

01:40:35.000 And I was too busy getting drunk.

01:40:43.000 Oh, I fall in love.

01:40:45.000 I heard it's blind.

01:40:47.000 Plus, who's got that kind of time?

01:40:51.000 And I can't dance and I don't drink wine.

01:40:54.000 So what the hell is in it for me?

01:40:59.000 We're all in love.

01:41:03.000 Love is blind.

01:41:07.000 Plus, who's got that kind of time?

01:41:10.000 And now we wore black zombies in the land of the lost.

01:41:14.000 Refabricated universal rights are o'clock. 0.96

01:41:16.000 Rest in peace, dead man, which is the time that you caused.

01:41:20.000 I thank the Lord for a plausible thought.

01:41:23.000 Asleep in the well, what?

01:41:25.000 We're all across the curb with the coat.

01:41:27.000 I've had some deep conversation with the liver to float.

01:41:31.000 I should have died at 27 like my heroes before.

01:41:34.000 But I was too busy having fun.

01:41:37.000 And now we're too busy getting done And now we're too busy getting done

01:42:08.000 And now we walk like zombies in the land of the lost A prefabricated universe, a riser of thought.

01:42:15.000 The best of peace, a dead language, and the time that you've got. 1.00

01:42:19.000 I thank the Lord for opposable thumbs.

01:42:21.000 I sleep at the well.

01:42:24.000 Crawl across the curb to the door.

01:42:25.000 I've had some deep conversations with the living before.

01:42:29.000 I should have died at 27 like my heroes before.

01:42:32.000 But I was too busy having fun.

01:42:36.000 Carter!

01:42:37.000 My headphones are not working.

01:42:50.000 Headphones not working?

01:42:52.000 Getting down Carter

01:42:57.000 My headphones are not working all right, okay, that was fun Did you nail it?

01:43:03.000 Yeah, I mean, you nailed it.

01:43:05.000 Especially with the monitors not working.

01:43:07.000 I'll take your word for it.

01:43:08.000 That song is called Dead Language.

01:43:14.000 How are your headphones?

01:43:15.000 They sound good.

01:43:16.000 Let me know how those work out.

01:43:17.000 Don't lie to me.

01:43:17.000 that song is called dead language check check Alright, this is the way this sounds.

01:43:31.000 Yep.

01:43:31.000 Alright.

01:43:32.000 Thank you.

01:43:32.000 Hey, pull that reverb back a little bit.

01:43:34.000 They were in and out.

01:43:34.000 To be fair to you, they were in and out.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, we need better connector cables.

01:43:39.000 Tim could buy you a better pair, I think.

01:43:41.000 That's right.

01:43:41.000 Hey Carter, go to his actual channel and just pull back some of the EFX on his vocal channel right there.

01:43:48.000 This song is called Where Were You?

01:43:49.000 It's off of our album.

01:43:51.000 The album's called If We're Really Being Honest.

01:43:56.000 Send this out to the Timcast.

01:43:58.000 listeners everybody tuned in. Yep.

01:44:03.000 One, two, one, two, one, two, three, four.

01:44:28.000 You can ask me how I am I know that you can give a damn I'll tell you I am better than nothing

01:44:35.000 And I put out this rug and board I'll ask me how I seem so sure I'm sure that that would end the discussion

01:44:43.000 The rearview mirror caught my eye So goodbye to everyone in it

01:44:52.000 And that imitating light Where were you when it all went down

01:44:57.000 Down when I needed someone, you weren't around Why was it that you were nowhere to be found?

01:44:58.000 When I needed someone you weren't around Why was it that you were nowhere to be found

01:45:06.000 When I needed your love to tell me where it was that you were

01:45:06.000 When I needed your love, tell me where it was that you were And now you see, now you don't

01:45:11.000 And now you see, now you don't I don't know when I'm coming home

01:45:16.000 I don't know when I'm coming home And hey, how did I look? I'll tell you inside

01:45:19.000 And hey, how did I look on television If this world is my only path

01:45:22.000 If this road is my only path, someone else can do that I'm tired of the long and the big nights

01:45:30.000 The windshield doesn't look quite right Here's hoping that it might get brighter

01:45:38.000 The future's bright, right?

01:45:41.000 Where were you when it all went down?

01:45:44.000 When I needed someone, you weren't around Why was it that you were nowhere to be found?

01:45:52.000 When I needed your love, tell me where it was that you were At the time, and where did you go?

01:46:01.000 I'll keep your eyes for you, but I'd like to know Where were you? And where did you go?

01:46:12.000 I'd like to know Where were you when it all went down?

01:46:33.000 That was nice, thank you.

01:46:37.000 Where was it that you were the way to be found?

01:46:42.000 And I need it the most.

01:46:44.000 Tell me where it was that you were.

01:46:47.000 All right.

01:46:53.000 All right.

01:46:54.000 Nice.

01:46:55.000 That was nice.

01:46:56.000 Thank you.

01:46:57.000 Yeah.

01:46:58.000 Let's do these shoes and it's over.

01:47:00.000 Well, that's the liberty, bro.

01:47:02.000 All right.

01:47:06.000 Okay.

01:47:07.000 Hit that like button.

01:47:09.000 I'll be on the spot.

01:47:11.000 All right Joey, let's go.

01:47:13.000 All right, later.

01:47:14.000 ["In the Year of Our Lord 2020"]

01:47:34.000 In the year of our Lord 2020, I think that the month it was March.

01:47:41.000 For humanity's sake, we were asked to partake in a breakdown, the Ark of the Covenant.

01:47:49.000 The rugs didn't resist and the scoundrels insist to engage would be too tall a task.

01:47:57.000 So do not disturb and get kicked to the curb.

01:48:00.000 Neck no mention, no bother to ask.

01:48:05.000 Oh, no!

01:48:08.000 Where did Lady Liberty go?

01:48:12.000 Oh, dear!

01:48:16.000 She packed up and I tailed it outta hand.

01:48:20.000 The silence was silent, the sidelines were full, and the stands there were standing remotely.

01:48:27.000 I spec'd every sport that you couldn't cut short in a league where you left out at home late.

01:48:35.000 Some would look inward and some would dig deep, and others would just look around.

01:48:42.000 Keep your eyes on the shepherd and not on the sheep Just be glad you've finally found her

01:48:49.000 Oh, no!

01:48:53.000 Where did Lady Mimbery go? 0.98

01:48:57.000 Oh, yes!

01:49:00.000 She's out of here, we don't know where she is And it appears that you could care less.

01:49:06.000 Good day and God bless!

01:49:08.000 Wooo! 1.00

01:49:22.000 I've gone to so many places Now she can't be found

01:49:26.000 Lost desperate cases Just love while proud

01:49:30.000 And where do you go when you're Dagged and you're bound?

01:49:33.000 Good day, we say good day and we'll see you around The locks, they were locked and the latches were latched on the cage and the cuffs and the casket.

01:49:46.000 Hey! 0.99

01:49:46.000 The workers up front were dismissed or dispatched. 0.99

01:49:50.000 Got a question?

01:49:51.000 Now it's time to ask it.

01:49:54.000 The gavel and her helm in the highest regard and oh wow how the mighty had fallen.

01:50:01.000 I guess the whole mess was right in the gavel.

01:50:05.000 Do you hear the pipes they are calling?

01:50:13.000 Where did Lady Liberty go?

01:50:15.000 We don't know where she went, but we can sure as hell tell you the reason why.

01:50:24.000 and watch Good Day England! Bye!

01:50:31.000 Alright, so... 0.91

01:50:48.000 Sick one. 0.82

01:50:50.000 Shoes!

01:50:55.000 What y'all got next for us?

01:50:56.000 Shoes for you.

01:50:56.000 Oh, thank you.

01:50:57.000 These shoes. Alright.

01:50:59.000 Alright.

01:51:01.000 One, two, one, two, three.

01:51:04.000 Thanks for watching.

01:51:06.000 Subscribe to our channel for more videos.

01:51:19.000 I was living in a dream.

01:51:21.000 Since the spring, I hope to pick another sunny day.

01:51:27.000 All alone I watch the rain.

01:51:29.000 My eyes are wide and I can see a world gone black.

01:51:33.000 And not enough, my heart has not turned black.

01:51:36.000 I predict another sunny day.

01:51:38.000 And I'm not ever looking back, sometimes I get the blues But you couldn't walk a mile in these shoes

01:51:54.000 I'm not ever looking back, sometimes I get the blues I'm not the kind who's gonna crumble and fall apart.

01:52:03.000 But when I look around, it really breaks my heart.

01:52:07.000 Always laugh at the inside.

01:52:11.000 And I'm guessing that's a start.

01:52:13.000 Sometimes you've got to float But you couldn't walk a mile in these shoes

01:52:25.000 The rapid signs were out The tide would break my fall

01:52:30.000 Pull it apart and put it back together Run before we crawl

01:52:37.000 And if everything had nothing left Nothing left to lose

01:52:44.000 You couldn't walk a mile in these shoes Anything you have or stole

01:53:05.000 But you couldn't walk a mile in these shoes For a minute I thought my luck had changed

01:53:15.000 I was living in a dream that seemed so strange I predicted another sunny day

01:53:22.000 And I'm not ever looking back You had or stole

01:53:31.000 And you thought you were so cold You couldn't walk a mile.

01:53:42.000 You couldn't walk a mile. 0.98

01:53:45.000 And you couldn't walk a mile in these shoes I fucked that one up pretty badly.

01:54:06.000 I'd like to apologize to my band. 0.92

01:54:10.000 To Tim and your entire staff.

01:54:12.000 I'm having a good time.

01:54:13.000 That was hot.

01:54:13.000 Sounded pretty good.

01:54:14.000 Anybody, if there's anybody still listening... I'm not wearing headphones, so I can't... Yeah, you got like 22,000 people.

01:54:19.000 Alright, then I won't apologize to you, Joey.

01:54:24.000 Our mix was so good earlier.

01:54:26.000 It's still good.

01:54:27.000 Alright, okay.

01:54:28.000 Yeah, no.

01:54:30.000 I couldn't tell at all.

01:54:31.000 We're louder now.

01:54:32.000 Yeah.

01:54:34.000 I'm actually listening to both what's going out and what's coming from you guys, so it sounds great.

01:54:38.000 Yeah, sounds good to hear.

01:54:39.000 A lot of shows, they don't have this kind of discussion.

01:54:43.000 It's true, but I'd like to think it makes this one unique.

01:54:46.000 I believe we're the first, right?

01:54:48.000 I mean, we were planning for like... Could you come to Anaheim and do our sound?

01:54:51.000 I'd like to talk to you during the third song.

01:54:53.000 Sure.

01:54:55.000 We don't have a...

01:54:57.000 We don't have a...

01:54:59.000 Got a lot of fiery emotions.

01:55:01.000 Alright.

01:55:03.000 So good.

01:55:05.000 Where do we go now?

01:55:11.000 That it is over.

01:55:15.000 We can't stay here.

01:55:19.000 The midnight glare and it's time we said goodnight.

01:55:24.000 Where do we go now that it is over?

01:55:31.000 We can't stay here, they're midnight clear, and it's time we say goodnight.

01:55:42.000 You don't want this to end You don't know when we'll be back this way again Give them our regards and let them know there's no regrets You know you don't want to let it go just yet.

01:56:10.000 Just yet.

01:56:12.000 So where do we go now that it is over?

01:56:20.000 You can't stay.

01:56:23.000 You know what?

01:56:24.000 And it's time we say goodnight Where do we go now that it is over?

01:56:35.000 We can't stay here, they made that clear It's time we say goodnight

01:56:42.000 You know what, we don't want to leave And we've got nothing up our sleeve

01:56:57.000 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:57:01.000 When you give all you've got to give, that's when, that's when you really start to lift, my friend, my friend.

01:57:17.000 Where do we go now that it is over?

01:57:24.000 We can't stay, hey, let me back clear and it's time we say goodnight.

01:57:32.000 Where do we go now that it is over?

01:57:39.000 We can't stay, hey, let me back clear and it's time we say goodnight.

01:57:47.000 the beautiful sounds of the divine we'll get over and we'll get through

01:58:07.000 we'll hold on and hold on till memories won't fade we sway and try

01:58:18.000 and we'll see it down the road my friend it's just an ending not the end

01:58:25.000 fail we may but sail away we must and we must

01:58:35.000 Where do we go now that it is over?

01:58:42.000 We can't stay here, they've made that clear.

01:58:47.000 It's time we say goodnight.

01:58:50.000 Where do we go now that it is over?

01:58:57.000 We can't stay here, let me back there, it's time we said goodnight

01:59:04.000 Where do we go now, that it is over?

01:59:12.000 We can't stay here, let me back there, it's time we say goodnight

01:59:19.000 Where do we go now, that it is over?

01:59:26.000 We can't stay here, let me back there, it's time we say goodnight

01:59:34.000 Where do we go now, that it is over?

01:59:41.000 We can't stay here.

01:59:44.000 They've made that clear.

01:59:46.000 It's time we said goodnight.

01:59:49.000 Where do we go now that it is over?

01:59:56.000 We can't stay here.

01:59:59.000 They've made that clear.

02:00:01.000 It's time we said goodnight.

02:00:04.000 Where do we go now that it is over?

02:00:11.000 It's a question we gotta ask ourselves now.

02:00:17.000 The casino!

02:00:18.000 That wasn't a joke!

02:00:25.000 On behalf of me and the Defiant, thank you so much.

02:00:27.000 Thanks for everything.

02:00:28.000 What a really lovely time we had.

02:00:30.000 That was awesome.

02:00:32.000 Thanks for being our first performance.

02:00:35.000 It was very brave of you.

02:00:37.000 Yeah.

02:00:40.000 I know.

02:00:40.000 Is there anybody listening still?

02:00:42.000 Yeah, 20,000 people.

02:00:42.000 Is there any possibility of that?

02:00:44.000 Yeah, we have a shitload of fire emojis in the chat.

02:00:46.000 More concerts.

02:00:47.000 Handclaps, cheering.

02:00:48.000 Oh, look at that.

02:00:49.000 Really?

02:00:49.000 One more.

02:00:51.000 Yeah, you know, I think, you know, just so everybody understands.

02:00:54.000 I just said hard no.

02:00:56.000 I know 90% of the words.

02:00:57.000 I know 90% of the words, too.

02:00:57.000 you know you get the haters. It's the internet. Encore someone said. That song is really good.

02:01:02.000 Yeah that was my favorite. It's over? That language is my favorite. I know 90% of the words.

02:01:07.000 I know 90% of the words too. That's pretty good for you.

02:01:11.000 But we set this up. For the other ones it's 60%. We set this up for basically two stools and like

02:01:18.000 a guitar and maybe two guitars and a And so, for the first show, we're like, you know, we'll just, maybe people will be on the cajon.

02:01:27.000 And then, you know, the crew was like, no, we want to do the full band.

02:01:30.000 And Carter was like, we can pull it off.

02:01:32.000 And so, we did as best we could, I guess.

02:01:36.000 We couldn't fit any more in here.

02:01:37.000 Yeah, I'm having a blast.

02:01:38.000 How you guys doing?

02:01:40.000 You got another song?

02:01:41.000 Yeah, you want to do another one?

02:01:42.000 Go for it, let's roll.

02:01:43.000 Absolutely.

02:01:45.000 I don't know, Joey.

02:01:47.000 I don't know.

02:01:47.000 I tried to cancel one.

02:01:49.000 I met my love by the gate.

02:01:52.000 He almost played the Archies.

02:01:53.000 I was getting excited.

02:01:54.000 Do you want to try drugs?

02:01:59.000 The answer to that is yes, dude.

02:02:04.000 Who said yes to hearing drugs?

02:02:05.000 Over here.

02:02:06.000 We'll talk later.

02:02:08.000 Let's get exploratory, my friend.

02:02:10.000 What's something we could play that would sound good?

02:02:14.000 That's a question you gotta ask yourself.

02:02:16.000 Oh man.

02:02:21.000 Look at this dead space going on.

02:02:23.000 This is not... No pressure.

02:02:26.000 Yeah, we can finish on the Super Chats.

02:02:28.000 Yeah, you know what?

02:02:28.000 Look, we got the record right here.

02:02:30.000 Let's look at what we got.

02:02:32.000 Let's check some out.

02:02:34.000 You guys want to play the impression?

02:02:37.000 Can you play the one you opened with the guitar?

02:02:38.000 If you could play it.

02:02:39.000 No.

02:02:40.000 No?

02:02:41.000 Aww! 1.00

02:02:44.000 Yeah, how does that work?

02:02:46.000 There's no horns.

02:02:46.000 I don't know how you'd pull it off.

02:02:49.000 Why don't we just say goodnight?

02:02:50.000 Okay, well, it was your idea, bro.

02:02:53.000 Earlier today, he was like, Hey, I've been in television for a long time.

02:02:57.000 You only do four songs.

02:02:58.000 Well, I guess we'll have to have you all back for the encore then.

02:03:01.000 I don't see any other way of ending this.

02:03:02.000 Throwing us all under the bus.

02:03:04.000 Everybody loves me.

02:03:08.000 Yeah.

02:03:08.000 Yes!

02:03:09.000 Rip it. 0.69

02:03:09.000 Oh yeah, there you go. 0.69

02:03:11.000 Alright, we got an encore.

02:03:12.000 Rushed right over that one.

02:03:14.000 Last one.

02:03:16.000 Everybody good?

02:03:18.000 One, two, three, four! 0.99

02:03:20.000 Oh, I'm a big dagger or a boulder knife I can kill your dreams and I can save your life 0.97

02:03:31.000 I'm a red flag in a front-row streak You're gonna have me brag if you allow me to speak 0.97

02:03:37.000 A heeler's gonna kick, the donkey took a punch When they took me out to dinner, they said I was at the

02:03:41.000 lunch I'm famous and I'm dead, I'm reigning on your parade 0.70

02:03:45.000 Everybody loves me I'm the uppercut that broke the bottom jaw

02:03:50.000 I ain't down below the red, I'm on a web of the law I'm full of silver money, a cycle lit

02:03:56.000 I'll put out your fire and you'll burn your bridge I'm the top shell from the bottom rung

02:04:02.000 I'm a loose cannon, I'm a son of a gun I'm the third rail, I'm a coffin now

02:04:07.000 But everybody loves me, loves me Everybody loves me, loves me

02:04:13.000 me.

02:04:16.000 Everybody loves me! 0.96

02:04:20.000 I'm pushing all your buttons and I'm pulling your legs. 1.00

02:04:36.000 So now press pause, cause I'm a lost cause but everybody loves me, loves me.

02:04:41.000 Everybody loves me, loves me Everybody loves me, loves me

02:04:47.000 Everybody loves me, loves me Yeah!

02:04:51.000 Woo! 0.99

02:04:52.000 Yeah!

02:04:53.000 Woo! 0.99

02:04:55.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, The Defiant.

02:04:56.000 So come see us play with the Aquabats on the 8th in Anaheim, California.

02:05:01.000 And fly out.

02:05:02.000 If you're not in the air, fly in.

02:05:04.000 It's thedefiantofficial.com.

02:05:06.000 Yeah, where can everyone find you guys?

02:05:09.000 Where can they find us?

02:05:10.000 Yeah, other than Anaheim.

02:05:11.000 At the casino.

02:05:12.000 And the casino, like online if they want to hear these songs.

02:05:15.000 Yo, Carter, pull that EFX down real fast.

02:05:18.000 Oh yeah, people are going to your website right now, TheDefiantOfficial.com.

02:05:21.000 Is that the best place for people to go?

02:05:22.000 We have a YouTube channel as well.

02:05:25.000 A YouTube channel?

02:05:27.000 Let's find out.

02:05:28.000 Is that The Defiant... The Defiant Official as well.

02:05:30.000 Yeah, it's all...

02:05:32.000 What we're trying to bring back is buying singles and albums because they're more powerful than streams.

02:05:38.000 So if we, when we put out our songs, we asked everybody just buy the 69 cent version of the song instead of just adding it to your playlist.

02:05:48.000 Most people that listen to music don't actually care about the bands.

02:05:51.000 They don't care about the culture.

02:05:52.000 They don't care about winning.

02:05:52.000 They're like, I'll turn on my app and then press play on the radio app or whatever.

02:05:56.000 And then in order to actually get to a chart or whatever, you need millions of streams.

02:06:02.000 Whereas you only need like 10,000 purchases of a song to actually get that high as well.

02:06:08.000 So are you going to convince 10 million people to listen to the song one time?

02:06:11.000 Or are you going to convince 10,000 people to buy the song and have it in their collection forever?

02:06:16.000 That has a bigger cultural impact and it's only 69 cents.

02:06:19.000 So buying the album, buying the song, if everybody who cared about winning the culture war bought their music, the only music that would be succeeding are the bands that actually asked their fans to buy music.

02:06:29.000 You'd knock out some of these big, you know, mainstream pop artists really quickly.

02:06:34.000 Right.

02:06:34.000 To be fair, they still sell.

02:06:35.000 Like the big guys, they'll sell like 500,000 overnight of one of their songs.

02:06:38.000 It's crazy.

02:06:39.000 Right.

02:06:40.000 Yeah.

02:06:41.000 But right on, gentlemen.

02:06:42.000 Thank you for coming. 0.99

02:06:42.000 But Joey's going to have to mail all that shit out. 0.99

02:06:46.000 Come on, man. 0.99

02:06:47.000 I'm a one-man show.

02:06:51.000 I'll take on that.

02:06:52.000 Either scenario sounds great to me.

02:06:54.000 Right on.

02:06:55.000 All right.

02:06:55.000 Well, I do want to grab just a few more Super Chats from everybody before we dip out, just to try and squeeze those in and, you know, read some of the questions and stuff that people have brought in.

02:07:06.000 So I'll try and see if we can get any of the good ones Everybody loves me!

02:07:11.000 That was a good way to end it.

02:07:12.000 I like that one.

02:07:12.000 That's hot.

02:07:13.000 Yeah.

02:07:15.000 Alright, do we have any... You know what we'll try and do?

02:07:19.000 I'll try to make sure we clarify this next time we have acts, though.

02:07:22.000 Because I think it would be great if we had Super Chats for the band questions and things like that.

02:07:27.000 And I know we do have some.

02:07:28.000 But here we go.

02:07:29.000 Steven Frost says, To me, punk rock music is always the voice of those who defy the government when they cross the line.

02:07:36.000 Pete, you are the true spirit of punk, regardless of your circumstance, and you deserve all the good that comes to you, bro.

02:07:41.000 Ah, thank you very much.

02:07:42.000 That's super sweet to hear.

02:07:43.000 Run on. 1.00

02:07:43.000 The fucking machine. 1.00

02:07:45.000 The generator himself. 1.00

02:07:46.000 Joshua French says, Mighty Mighty Boston's got me through my first deployment when I joined the Navy back in 96.

02:07:52.000 Mass respect. 0.99

02:07:53.000 Damn. 0.99

02:07:54.000 Thank you for your service. 0.99

02:07:57.000 And thank you for yours.

02:07:59.000 Thank you, Ian, for yours.

02:08:01.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

02:08:02.000 says, this is one of my favorite episodes.

02:08:04.000 Mad chill.

02:08:05.000 Dickie is funny AF.

02:08:06.000 It's like a Culture War episode.

02:08:07.000 I can't wait for the jam.

02:08:08.000 And then the jam happened.

02:08:09.000 So that was from earlier.

02:08:11.000 Chat was going wild during the music.

02:08:13.000 All fire emojis.

02:08:15.000 Everybody was super excited.

02:08:16.000 And look, I do tremendous gratitude for you guys coming down, being our first ever attempt at a live show on stream, so we're gonna tweak it, we're gonna improve the best we can, so I really do appreciate you guys coming.

02:08:30.000 Thank you so much.

02:08:30.000 Yeah, you get to the new place, we can do a rock version.

02:08:33.000 The new place, we have like a pro company setting.

02:08:36.000 We have like a big company coming and doing all this crazy stuff, whereas this studio is basically, we duct taped the whole thing together.

02:08:42.000 It's so small.

02:08:43.000 It's not a small, well, people think it's small.

02:08:45.000 It is small.

02:08:46.000 What is small?

02:08:47.000 This room?

02:08:47.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:08:48.000 For what we're trying to do?

02:08:49.000 Well, so, for, yes, but this room is 16 by 35.

02:08:51.000 Yeah.

02:08:53.000 16 by 35.

02:08:54.000 So a lot of people think it's like 8 by 10 or something.

02:08:57.000 No, 16 by 35.

02:08:58.000 No, we have a big table.

02:08:59.000 The next room we're doing, I think, is what?

02:09:00.000 It's 25 by, I think, 40.

02:09:02.000 Yeah, about that.

02:09:04.000 Yeah.

02:09:05.000 Where's my pen and paper?

02:09:06.000 No, actually, it's 25 by 50.

02:09:08.000 I mean, it's quite long.

02:09:10.000 25 by 50.

02:09:10.000 Yeah, a lot bigger.

02:09:11.000 That's a bigger room.

02:09:12.000 It's larger.

02:09:14.000 Yeah, it's a lot bigger.

02:09:14.000 Can't keep up with these numbers.

02:09:16.000 Yeah, you gotta do the math, you know, you draw the rectangle, multiply... This room is 13 by... 16 by 35.

02:09:23.000 I think it's weird, like... Was this the master bedroom?

02:09:26.000 No, this was called the sewing room.

02:09:28.000 The what room?

02:09:29.000 You didn't make sure to live in here once?

02:09:30.000 This was my bedroom before.

02:09:32.000 It's too big for a sewing room, but it's too small for the Defiant to rock out in.

02:09:37.000 Yeah, I come from L.A., so it's funny that there's actually a room called a sewing room, where it's like you barely have a bedroom.

02:09:44.000 Yeah, we have a sewing room. 0.98

02:09:46.000 What do we call that?

02:09:47.000 I don't know.

02:09:48.000 The room next door is called the bonus room.

02:09:50.000 It's the second living room.

02:09:52.000 The living room is called the great room, because it has a kitchen and a living room, but it's also massive.

02:09:57.000 This is like a weird building, it really is.

02:09:59.000 Yeah.

02:09:59.000 I wouldn't, this is not your normal kind of house, because it was, I guess they duct taped a bunch of different modular structures together to make it.

02:10:06.000 I think this was the kids' bedroom.

02:10:07.000 That makes a lot of sense now.

02:10:08.000 Before we bought the place.

02:10:10.000 It definitely makes sense.

02:10:11.000 Yo, yo, when you come here, there's a window on the top of the building, and it took us like several months to be like, wait, where's that window?

02:10:18.000 Like, what room is that?

02:10:20.000 And then we went upstairs and there's a wall there, and there's no room, and then eventually we punched a hole in the wall, And there's a secret room!

02:10:27.000 How big is that room?

02:10:28.000 It's huge!

02:10:29.000 But it's unfinished.

02:10:31.000 Can we play that room next time?

02:10:32.000 You can't stand in there, it's completely unfinished.

02:10:34.000 And it's like, I'm so confused as to how there's a window.

02:10:39.000 And like, how do we fix the window if it breaks?

02:10:41.000 You can't even go in there.

02:10:42.000 So there's a hole now in the wall in this secret, weird space that was never finished.

02:10:47.000 It's just, it's a crazy building.

02:10:49.000 Is the whole thing off?

02:10:51.000 I've gotten lost in here before.

02:10:53.000 Yeah, I kept wandering around and I was just like, wait, there's still more house, like everywhere I go there's still more buildings.

02:11:00.000 Five floors.

02:11:01.000 There's an enormous half pipe downstairs.

02:11:05.000 Six footer.

02:11:06.000 There's a six foot half pipe in the basement of this building.

02:11:09.000 All right, everybody, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends.

02:11:12.000 You can follow the show at TimCast.io.

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02:11:16.000 The band is Defiant.

02:11:17.000 What was your website again?

02:11:19.000 DefiantOfficial.com.

02:11:20.000 Buy the album!

02:11:22.000 Albums are big.

02:11:23.000 Yeah.

02:11:23.000 So what do we got to do?

02:11:24.000 We sell 10,000 albums.

02:11:25.000 We got to talk more about that off, because everything you said sounded good to me, but I was just like, oh, I'm doing everything wrong.

02:11:32.000 Sure.

02:11:32.000 I mean, yeah.

02:11:33.000 Well, let's let's let's get it going.

02:11:35.000 Thank you, guys.

02:11:35.000 We made these albums.

02:11:37.000 I don't think we have enough to do those numbers, though, do we?

02:11:39.000 Did we make enough for that?

02:11:41.000 Well, he's talking buy it digitally.

02:11:43.000 Yeah.

02:11:44.000 Are you saying buy it digitally, not buy the album?

02:11:46.000 You can buy vinyl, too.

02:11:47.000 Oh, I mean, I don't know.

02:11:48.000 You guys sell the digital album?

02:11:49.000 You should definitely buy the album.

02:11:51.000 Buy the album anyway.

02:11:52.000 There's lots of ways to buy the album.

02:11:53.000 Physical album's better.

02:11:54.000 You guys are nailing out physical albums?

02:11:56.000 I thought we were talking about actual vinyl.

02:11:58.000 I thought that's what you were talking about.

02:11:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:11:59.000 Oh, dude, you guys have it on vinyl?

02:12:00.000 Yes.

02:12:01.000 Oh, I'm gonna buy that vinyl.

02:12:02.000 Do you guys have a copy here?

02:12:03.000 So here's what we're doing for the new studio.

02:12:06.000 In the skate park portion, when we play music while we skate, the rule is you have to put on a full album.

02:12:11.000 We bought a 1990s sound system.

02:12:14.000 Yeah.

02:12:14.000 We're going to wire it to speakers on the ceiling and everything.

02:12:17.000 And then you put, we're going to do a CD or a vinyl.

02:12:20.000 You put it on, you play from start to finish.

02:12:22.000 None of this randomized radio nonsense, thumbs up, thumbs down.

02:12:26.000 No, no, no, no.

02:12:26.000 Real albums, real music.

02:12:28.000 If you want music, that's what you got to do.

02:12:29.000 Those are the rules.

02:12:29.000 Nice.

02:12:30.000 That's cool.

02:12:31.000 So we'll grab your album for sure.

02:12:32.000 All right, guys.

02:12:33.000 Thanks for hanging out to everybody who hung out this amazing Friday night for our first new jam session.

02:12:39.000 We have more to come.

02:12:40.000 We're actually going to start booking more musical guests.

02:12:42.000 So, you know, we definitely want to reach out to Five Times August because he was here last time and we had this set up and we didn't even think twice he was on Pop Culture Crisis.

02:12:49.000 And I was like, bro, we should have had him come up and jam.

02:12:52.000 But then also, of course, we have music, and we've got a new music video coming out in two weeks.

02:12:55.000 Oh yes.

02:12:56.000 And, uh, oh man, I can't say... Should I mention a little bit about what we have going on?

02:13:02.000 You can mention a little bit.

02:13:05.000 We shouldn't promote it just yet, because only today I've got all the numbers synced up and everything, but it's going to be coming out.

02:13:12.000 I just want to mention, we fully expect Michael Knowles and Jeremy Boring to be in the video.

02:13:17.000 So that's all I want to say for now, but it's going to be so much fun.

02:13:22.000 So anyway, yeah, if Ian wanted to, Carter, Ian, you want to shout out anything before we wrap up?

02:13:28.000 I just want to say thanks for coming out and being the first band, guys.

02:13:31.000 Like, I'm so happy with how it went tonight.

02:13:35.000 It sounded great.

02:13:36.000 And just so everyone else knows that you can hear all this that we had tonight will be uploaded to Trash House Records YouTube.

02:13:45.000 And yeah.

02:13:46.000 Right on.

02:13:46.000 That's it.

02:13:47.000 Yeah, man, be good to yourself, because that's where it all begins, and then you be good to your community.

02:13:51.000 Good to meet you guys. 0.98

02:13:53.000 That was fucking rock star. 0.99

02:13:54.000 That was hot. 1.00

02:13:55.000 Let's do this again.

02:13:57.000 I'm looking forward to it.

02:13:58.000 Right on.

02:13:59.000 Thank you.

02:13:59.000 Serge, do you want to say anything before we sign off?

02:14:02.000 Uh, yeah, my camera got all screwed up there, so it's the best we got for the moment.

02:14:05.000 Sorry, that was my fault.

02:14:06.000 Yeah, peace.

02:14:07.000 Thanks, guys, for coming through.

02:14:08.000 That was fun.

02:14:08.000 Really appreciate it.

02:14:10.000 All right, everybody.

02:14:10.000 Yo, it's gonna be a really wild next couple of weeks.

02:14:13.000 We're gonna be at AmFest on stage with Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk.

02:14:16.000 I hope you guys are watching, or if you're there, we're gonna have a whole lot of fun.

02:14:19.000 We've got more music coming up.

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