Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Grammys Push Pro BLM Riot Performance, Call For Accomplices w-RuckaRucka Ali

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00:00:04.000 you Last night, I think it was last night, was the Grammys and

00:00:35.000 And I don't really know if it was last night, I think it was, because I don't care about the Grammys, I don't watch the Grammys, and I don't think anybody here did watch the Grammys.

00:00:41.000 Anybody?

00:00:41.000 No?

00:00:41.000 No.

00:00:42.000 Nobody watched the Grammys.

00:00:43.000 Nobody watched the Grammys, nobody cared to watch the Grammys, but there was something interesting.

00:00:46.000 That's either a sign of the expansion of the extremism that we see in the mainstream corporate media, Or it's a sign that they're becoming so utterly desperate that they're willing to cling onto any narrative that they think will make them money, because this rapper performed a song where he actually depicted riots, and they did a very propagandized version of the Rayshard Brooks incident, and then activist Tamika Mallory, who's considered to be particularly controversial, notably when the New York Times called her out for anti-Semitism,

00:01:16.000 Came out and gave a speech, essentially, where she said, we don't need allies, we need accomplices.

00:01:21.000 Which could be seen as, like, advocating for crime and calling for people to do more?

00:01:26.000 And it's kind of crazy that a mainstream program, the Grammys, would do something like this.

00:01:31.000 But I guess the ratings are in the trash, so probably... probably nobody really wants to watch.

00:01:36.000 And they were hoping that people like me would call them out to generate some kind of buzz for their failing program.

00:01:42.000 Which is a part of the conversation as well.

00:01:44.000 So we have a lot to talk about in this culture war space.

00:01:48.000 We also have now Teen Vogue, right?

00:01:51.000 They tried to hire this editor-in-chief lady and employees at Teen Vogue tried to cancel this new hire. 1.00

00:01:57.000 So they ended up losing a seven-figure ad deal, backfiring, canceling themselves.

00:02:01.000 And we're going to talk about this because we have one of the best people to actually talk about music.

00:02:07.000 And comedy, as well as what may be viewed as offensive performances and things like that.

00:02:12.000 We are joined today by Rucka Rucka Ali.

00:02:16.000 Do you speak up a little bit?

00:02:17.000 I couldn't hear you.

00:02:20.000 You might want to take off the mask.

00:02:24.000 You want to pull the microphone up to your mouth now.

00:02:25.000 There you go.

00:02:26.000 How's that?

00:02:27.000 It sounds good.

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 So, Rukka, you said that you're a rapper, a musician and a self-described black activist.

00:02:34.000 Yeah, that sounds about right. 0.97

00:02:35.000 But you mean like an activist for Black Lives Matter or like, you know, black issues or are you just screwing with me? 0.96

00:02:40.000 No, I was telling you the truth.

00:02:42.000 So do you want to introduce yourself for the show?

00:02:45.000 Hey everybody.

00:02:47.000 Nice to see you.

00:02:47.000 Good evening.

00:02:48.000 My name is Rucka Rucka Ali, the last black man on the internet. 0.82

00:02:53.000 And you might be asking, what the F are you doing here? 0.92

00:02:58.000 I'll tell you.

00:02:59.000 I'm here to ask Tim Pool some questions about the cat!

00:03:05.000 Oh, snap! 1.00

00:03:06.000 In the hat, that is.

00:03:07.000 Oh, the Dr. Seuss thing!

00:03:10.000 Oh, yeah, Dr. Seuss, big fan.

00:03:11.000 Aren't we all?

00:03:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:13.000 So you were very concerned about that story about the cat in the hat.

00:03:17.000 Yeah, but that book was fine, so we don't have much to worry about in that front.

00:03:21.000 I think people want to hear your opinion about it.

00:03:23.000 You know, anything you might have to say on it.

00:03:25.000 Alright, alright.

00:03:26.000 Alright, I see where this is going.

00:03:28.000 But no, no, for real, outside of that, do you want to actually get into your politics and your philosophy?

00:03:32.000 Because you're actually a pretty serious guy.

00:03:34.000 Yeah, we can get into anything.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, let's do it.

00:03:37.000 Because Biden wants to raise taxes.

00:03:39.000 Okay, now we're not supposed to swear.

00:03:41.000 I saw that look on your face.

00:03:42.000 Family show.

00:03:43.000 Listen, you know, there's a lot of anti-corporate sentiment I'm seeing around the world right now.

00:03:48.000 A lot of people saying they're suspicious of anyone who is making money and cares about their money.

00:03:54.000 But you should see the look on Tim's face just now when I was about to demonetize this whole thing with some curse words.

00:03:59.000 Thank you for not.

00:04:00.000 How dare you?

00:04:01.000 Oh, what's the matter?

00:04:02.000 Need your little money?

00:04:03.000 What happened to free speech or die?

00:04:06.000 Yeah, we're about that.

00:04:08.000 But I mean, we're not staunch libertarians here on the show.

00:04:11.000 Oh, you're only libertarian until it's time to protect your monetization status.

00:04:16.000 Absolutely, yes, of course.

00:04:17.000 And then I think we should have a bunch of armed guards take—you know, I'm kidding.

00:04:22.000 No, I think— That's usually how it ends up.

00:04:24.000 I think there's actually a good philosophical conversation about the limits of free speech, you know.

00:04:28.000 I think there's a lot of good conversations we've got ahead of us tonight, so don't go anywhere.

00:04:32.000 We'll be right back after this.

00:04:33.000 We're not going anywhere.

00:04:35.000 Oh, after Ian's introduction.

00:04:36.000 Hey, thanks for coming.

00:04:36.000 What up, everybody?

00:04:37.000 Thanks, guys.

00:04:38.000 Good to see everybody.

00:04:40.000 You can follow me at iancrossland.net, but let's get it going.

00:04:43.000 Hey, let me be honest with you.

00:04:44.000 I just met you.

00:04:46.000 Something about you bothers me.

00:04:47.000 You look like one of these musicians, you know, who goes out, you play the gig, and that's cool, but then we catch you.

00:04:54.000 Out back of the venue after the show you've had a few drinks and you're a little loose with the language You're dropping like little few gamer words here and there Get a little handsy with the ladies without written consent I'm a Keanu Reeves man that describes Ian for one inch off the back.

00:05:12.000 You've read him like a book.

00:05:13.000 I'm good with stereotypes I don't know, the stereotype I get from Ian is, like, DMT hippie. 0.98

00:05:20.000 Where's the DMT?

00:05:21.000 Not here, it's illegal.

00:05:22.000 We don't do all of our crimes.

00:05:23.000 We're very much in favor of law and authority on this show.

00:05:26.000 Have you smoked DMT before?

00:05:27.000 I don't think so.

00:05:28.000 I'm mostly kidding, by the way.

00:05:30.000 But it is illegal!

00:05:31.000 This is a family-friendly show.

00:05:33.000 Your body's making it, though.

00:05:34.000 It's in your muscles and your brain.

00:05:35.000 Hey, man!

00:05:37.000 It grows in the ground!

00:05:38.000 Why can't I smoke it with my infants, bro?

00:05:41.000 It's natural!

00:05:42.000 Why do you hate God?

00:05:46.000 Listen, you showed me a little tour of your house.

00:05:48.000 I've seen some hidden rooms that I don't even think the previous owners knew about.

00:05:52.000 That's right.

00:05:53.000 And the first thought I had when I saw those rooms is, like, back when marijuana was illegal, this would be where... Prohibition.

00:05:59.000 Like Chicago.

00:05:59.000 I'm from Chicago, so yeah, I know what's up.

00:06:00.000 You get it.

00:06:01.000 You know where to grow that.

00:06:02.000 But I actually have friends in Chicago.

00:06:04.000 You can actually find buildings that are old-speak- old, like... I'll put it this way.

00:06:08.000 I used to hang out at this house where the bathroom window made no sense.

00:06:11.000 Because when you opened it, it was a brick wall.

00:06:13.000 But then if you reached your hand along the wall, you would find there was an opening to your left.

00:06:18.000 And they would transfer, like, little bits of beer, like, jugs and stuff back and forth.

00:06:22.000 So it was the weirdest thing to have a building with a window to a brick wall.

00:06:25.000 But it was, like, kinda obvious when you thought about it? 0.53

00:06:28.000 I guess during Prohibition, people were a lot stupider, so the cops were like, this window seems perfectly normal, even though it looks like a brick wall. 0.96

00:06:34.000 Hmm, no problem here. 0.97

00:06:35.000 And that's how they talked back then?

00:06:36.000 So that's, like, how the cops were?

00:06:36.000 Yeah.

00:06:38.000 I don't know why people think that.

00:06:39.000 Did they really talk that way back then?

00:06:41.000 Of course they used to talk that way back then.

00:06:43.000 You weren't there.

00:06:43.000 What do you think?

00:06:44.000 Yeah.

00:06:45.000 Now I don't know what you're trying to get at, but I don't like it.

00:06:47.000 Let me tell you, sit down and hear what I have to say.

00:06:49.000 See?

00:06:50.000 Harry Truman's a great example.

00:06:52.000 Did he talk like that?

00:06:53.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 I heard that it was actually the recording technology we had back then cut off like the mid-ranges so you hear a higher pitched version.

00:07:00.000 Teddy Roosevelt.

00:07:00.000 But they did talk like this, you know.

00:07:03.000 Someday they're gonna see like footage of President Trump and they're gonna think this is just the average guy in 21st century America.

00:07:09.000 Oh my gosh.

00:07:09.000 You're right.

00:07:11.000 All right.

00:07:11.000 Well, we also have, uh, sorry if I should let you press all the buttons.

00:07:13.000 I am here in the corner.

00:07:13.000 I'm pushing buttons.

00:07:14.000 We're gonna laugh a lot tonight.

00:07:15.000 I think we're gonna have a great time.

00:07:16.000 Ladies and gentlemen, before we get started, head over to TimCast.com and become a member to get exclusive members-only segments and help support the show because I think Rucka's gonna try and get us banned.

00:07:26.000 I'm only half kidding.

00:07:28.000 I don't have to try. Oh Wow, oh you know what I can do how about this you super

00:07:51.000 chat or I I want you all super chatting very nice things about me or

00:07:59.000 I will not hesitate to turn this thing Don't do it.

00:08:01.000 We will be remaining, spending the remainder of the show reading super chats and nothing more or we will get complete silence.

00:08:07.000 All right, all right, all right.

00:08:08.000 This is why you got to join TimCast.com because we got we got troublemakers on the show sometimes, you know, they're just want to turn the computer off.

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00:08:18.000 And let's let's check out the story real quick.

00:08:20.000 So this is from BuzzFeed.

00:08:22.000 They say, Lil Baby's powerful Grammy performance that referenced George Floyd gave me chills.

00:08:28.000 He deserves an award just for that performance. 0.99

00:08:30.000 They say, my God, he just did the damn thing. 0.99

00:08:34.000 Amazing. 0.99

00:08:35.000 So he's like wearing this fake bulletproof vest, and they show this mock incident of Rayshard Brooks.

00:08:39.000 Now, for those that don't remember, Rayshard Brooks was the guy who was driving drunk, and he was in the Wendy's drive-thru when he passed out drunk.

00:08:46.000 Because he wouldn't move, someone called the cops, may have been the restaurant.

00:08:50.000 When the police showed up, they were like, you know, out of the vehicle, you've had too much to drink.

00:08:54.000 When they tried to arrest him, he actually fought the cops, punched one of the cops in the face.

00:08:58.000 There's multiple camera angles of this, security footage, body cams.

00:09:01.000 And then actually grabbed the taser and hit one of the cops with it, knocking him to the ground.

00:09:05.000 The cop hit his head, got a concussion.

00:09:07.000 When he ran for it, the other cop gave chase, Rayshard Brooks turned and then fired the second cartridge from the taser, and that's when the cop drew his weapon and shot the guy twice, and it killed him.

00:09:19.000 We saw a lot of media propaganda.

00:09:21.000 They put out this fake clip, this fake still from the incident where they tried claiming the cop kicked the guy when he was down, kicked Brooks when he was down.

00:09:28.000 But now what we're seeing at the Grammys, of all things, is they're doing this reenactment where in the reenactment it's like the guy just peacefully gets on the ground and like puts his hands up and it is not at all what you see in the actual body camera footage.

00:09:28.000 It didn't happen.

00:09:40.000 For those that don't actually know the story, they would see this and they would believe the activist narrative as opposed to the actual truth.

00:09:47.000 This is one of the biggest problems we have right now, I think, in the country, is that a lot of people They get their information secondhand.

00:09:53.000 They get it distilled by people with political motives and agendas, and that's true of this show, and it's true of the Grammys.

00:09:58.000 Granted, I think we're a bit more discerning and a bit more honest on this show, and there are many other political commentators who will be more honest, but for the most part, when it filters through people with agendas, you get lies and misrepresentations.

00:10:10.000 But the bigger thing about this was that they brought out Tamika Mallory, The reason that's interesting is because she's been accused of pushing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. 0.97

00:10:19.000 This was by the New York Times.

00:10:20.000 And it made everybody really question the Women's March, of which she was one of the principal organizers.

00:10:25.000 And I think there was a big controversy, like some groups broke up, some pulled out, a bunch of activists were like, we don't want to be involved in this, because she's got questionable associations.

00:10:35.000 In this speech or whatever, she said we don't need allies, we need accomplices.

00:10:40.000 And the crazy thing is when they're doing this depiction of riots as kind of a good thing, and they're having this activist come out and say these things, I think it's actually fairly worrying.

00:10:50.000 I guess the bigger question though is the political ramifications of this and whether or not we should actually even care about the Grammys, both because it's trash and the writings are trash and no one cares about the Grammys, or more importantly because should we get all hot and bothered by offensive performances, you know, because we don't like it?

00:11:08.000 So, Rukka, considering you do these videos, you clearly have no issue... What's the right word? 0.81

00:11:14.000 Being a troublemaker, I guess.

00:11:16.000 I'm curious, actually, what you think about, you know, this kind of stuff.

00:11:19.000 I don't know if you've been following this, but I know you're a bit philosophical, right?

00:11:23.000 Yeah.

00:11:24.000 So what's your thoughts on what's been going on this past year in, like, the Grammys, for instance?

00:11:29.000 I mean, it used to be like, you know, 95% music and 5%, you know, let's take this opportunity to remember that, like, killing unarmed civilians, uh, you know, and calling them gamer word with your arm, uh, with your boot on their neck in their dying moments.

00:11:46.000 It's not the way to progress forward as a nation.

00:11:50.000 Now it's like 110% statements and like 1% music.

00:11:56.000 And people are going to say, oh, that's way more percentage points than logic permits.

00:12:01.000 So I'm going to pass it along to the smart looking guy here to explain that one.

00:12:06.000 I think accomplice is a legal term for meaning that you're there for the crime.

00:12:10.000 So, I mean, that's like a legal term.

00:12:12.000 It's a weird word to use at the Grammys when you're talking about street violence.

00:12:16.000 Definitely.

00:12:17.000 When you're talking about people burning down a Wendy's that had nothing to do with anything.

00:12:21.000 I guess they were mad the Wendy's employees called the police because there was a drunk driver blocking their driveway. 0.59

00:12:26.000 And so they called.

00:12:27.000 So then they decided to burn the Wendy's down.

00:12:30.000 Does that make sense?

00:12:31.000 No, it doesn't make sense, but like, I think they've got premises that most people unfortunately have.

00:12:39.000 So like, do you ever hear people saying like, we gotta stop big tech, you know?

00:12:44.000 We gotta stop letting big tech treat us this way.

00:12:46.000 So they're taking all these separate companies, grouping them as though they're a monolith, and wanting to basically either punish them or hamper them collectively.

00:12:54.000 So why shouldn't all stores around the neighborhood get punished collectively if people are upset at the police?

00:13:01.000 This is not a stretch.

00:13:02.000 This is not a reach.

00:13:03.000 I think I'm making a point.

00:13:04.000 You're not going to hear anywhere but the TimCast podcast.

00:13:07.000 Please go to TimCast.org.

00:13:09.000 Tom?

00:13:10.000 There's a big difference between a fast food restaurant that called the cops and big tech companies that actually have meetings together and are proven to actually collude with each other to remove political dissent.

00:13:21.000 So, like, there's not a concerted effort among Wendy's, McDonald's, and Burger King to frame black individuals who fall asleep in their driveways.

00:13:28.000 It was just some employee who was like, yo, there's some guy, like, sleeping in the driveway.

00:13:32.000 Can you help us?

00:13:33.000 And then when he fought the cops, he ended up losing his life, which is bad, by the way.

00:13:36.000 I mean, cops should not be judge-jury-executioner.

00:13:39.000 But this is a guy who grabbed a taser and turned and was trying to fire it at the cop.

00:13:43.000 You can argue if the cops should not have used lethal force or whatever.

00:13:45.000 That's something.

00:13:46.000 Look, you know as well as I do, people talk about Silicon Valley as if it's a monolith.

00:13:51.000 So yeah, maybe Twitter, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube may be met together, but at the same time, there's like a trillion other companies that are hoping to someday be at that level.

00:14:01.000 They're doing plenty of work, and these companies are also trying to compete against one another.

00:14:05.000 But they're lumped together mentally as though they're a monolith, and I'm just pointing that out.

00:14:11.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:14:13.000 See, it's a good point.

00:14:13.000 Thank you.

00:14:14.000 We can move on.

00:14:15.000 Corporate media that gets thrown around.

00:14:16.000 I don't trust the corporate media.

00:14:18.000 TimCast is a corporation.

00:14:20.000 It's a media corporation.

00:14:21.000 I trust it.

00:14:22.000 I work for it.

00:14:24.000 Yeah, I guess I agree.

00:14:25.000 You know, we can absolutely do that.

00:14:27.000 I think in terms of Big Tech, Silicon Valley, there's kind of like a theme people tend to be getting at.

00:14:32.000 They control technology and infrastructure and then with like Wendy's getting burnt to the ground.

00:14:36.000 I don't know, would you support, you know, Google being burnt to the ground because activists were mad that there was hate speech on it?

00:14:42.000 Of course not.

00:14:42.000 I don't support even demonizing Google or condemning these companies in the vast majority of cases, or in some cases, yeah, criticize them harshly, but obviously I don't allow any level of violence by private citizens.

00:14:58.000 Rule of law.

00:15:00.000 Rule of law.

00:15:00.000 I mean, and you see, and I hate to bring this up five minutes into the show, but when you look at the capital storming, you're seeing a bunch of reckless people treating Everyone in that building as though they're part of this concerted effort to deprive them of their rights or something like that.

00:15:16.000 I mean, we need to think critically and we need to be clear.

00:15:19.000 Yeah.

00:15:20.000 Well, so what are your thoughts on just like, I guess, the wokification and the activistification of media and like, you know, the Grammys, awards shows, commercials, commercial products? 0.70

00:15:31.000 I'll put it this way.

00:15:33.000 you know, you're talking, it sounds like you're in defense of these corporations to a certain degree.

00:15:37.000 Is that fair to say? Depends what they're being accused of.

00:15:41.000 Sure, sure, sure. I'm saying like, you know, I see two big power monopolies, government and

00:15:46.000 corporations. And I think, left unchecked, power tends to corrupt absolutely. So I don't

00:15:52.000 care if you're the government, I don't care if you're big oil or big tech or big Wendy's, you know,

00:15:58.000 or the Grammys pushing out a political I think it's a problem when too much power is concentrated in a specific area. 0.98

00:16:05.000 You don't think you're what someone could call Big YouTuber?

00:16:09.000 I'm Big- I'm a YouTuber.

00:16:11.000 You're a big YouTuber.

00:16:12.000 You have a lot more influence than a lot of people.

00:16:14.000 So, like, you could always look at somebody much bigger and say, oh, no one should have that much power.

00:16:20.000 But we know it's not power.

00:16:22.000 Power is force.

00:16:23.000 Power is pointing a gun at somebody.

00:16:25.000 Okay, now we're getting demonetized.

00:16:27.000 I meant meta... Well, no, actually... No, that's fine.

00:16:30.000 Yeah.

00:16:30.000 I mean, I talked about the killing of a dude by cops.

00:16:32.000 I think we need to differentiate economic power from political power.

00:16:36.000 And the more we conflate the two, the more we conflate political and economic power, the more we're gonna see economic power become the government.

00:16:43.000 That is, corporations have friends in Washington and we're gonna see political power Basically politicians taking over the economy taking over industry so it's an ugly thing to watch it But it's been happening over a hundred years over longer than a hundred years so I keep in mind a lot of the outrageousness we see today is like the culmination of decades and decades and decades of

00:17:07.000 of these changes taking place.

00:17:08.000 So there was always radicals talking about killing cops for many decades.

00:17:13.000 We've had all types of shenanigans.

00:17:14.000 People burning down the city when they're unsatisfied.

00:17:17.000 This goes back probably to the days of like Irish people in the 19th century or whatnot.

00:17:22.000 I don't mean to insult any Irish people.

00:17:24.000 I love gingers.

00:17:25.000 I love everybody who looks like that.

00:17:29.000 I don't know that much about it.

00:17:33.000 I don't know that much about it.

00:17:37.000 I used to know a lot more about this. I forgot. It's been a minute.

00:17:39.000 But I think that's a fair point to mention too, is that like the extremism used to be substantially worse,

00:17:45.000 I think, in not just this country, but many other countries, where you actually had like, you know,

00:17:49.000 the weather underground was planting bombs and actually detonating them.

00:17:52.000 Now we have widespread rioting over the past year, which arguably could be worse in that it's causing way more

00:17:58.000 damage, disrupting way more people's lives.

00:18:01.000 But I think, you know, you go back a hundred years, it's really bad.

00:18:04.000 I mean, you've had treason, you've had sedition, you've had literal plots that involve high-powered weapons and warships.

00:18:11.000 And we're actually, it's kind of like fading a bit.

00:18:14.000 You know, and the conflicts we're getting into now are mostly people protesting and pushing each other and shoving.

00:18:19.000 Some people get arrested and they scream police brutality.

00:18:21.000 And then they do burn down buildings and stuff.

00:18:24.000 So my fear is whether or not this escalates into more serious violence.

00:18:29.000 That's what I don't want to happen.

00:18:31.000 There's no question that crime has gone down overall over the last few decades.

00:18:35.000 I don't think there's any question of that.

00:18:36.000 So like overall, we've gotten more civilized, but like what we've seen, not just this, not just in 2020, but I mean, you know, there's been plenty of rioting and looting and all types of outrageous stuff happening, you know, for some time.

00:18:49.000 But like 2020 was the year of no more Fs to give, right?

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:18:55.000 And, um, I don't feel like this country is my home anymore, you know?

00:18:58.000 That's kind of the feeling I got in the summer of 2020.

00:19:00.000 That's how I felt on January 6th.

00:19:02.000 And I know someone's gonna comment, oh, that's 2021.

00:19:05.000 How about I come over there and we settle this?

00:19:08.000 Get all of your little, uh, DVD collecting Proud Boys and I'll get all my BLM people and we'll settle this. 0.96

00:19:17.000 All of you internet commenters.

00:19:18.000 I'm gonna find every last one of you.

00:19:20.000 What do you mean summer of 2020?

00:19:21.000 You talking about the... Yeah, the rioting, the violence, burning down Wendy's and private businesses and...

00:19:29.000 The police stations, I mean, it's absolutely disheartening to say the least.

00:19:33.000 And I was wondering, is it going to seep into residential areas?

00:19:37.000 It does.

00:19:38.000 Okay, but I mean, is it going to basically just be home after home getting broken into and that's it?

00:19:43.000 Goodbye to any semblance of civilization. 0.99

00:19:47.000 I just had a horrific portent about the Chinese military invading and swiftly taking over the United States like a blitzkrieg, like if we were stupid enough to let our guard down. 0.98

00:19:57.000 They were running war games and they were like, no, we can't stop the Chinese if they attack us. 1.00

00:20:01.000 No, we talked about this with James Lindsay.

00:20:03.000 Are you familiar with James?

00:20:04.000 Maybe he's like a very he's a he's a preeminent scholar on critical race theory in terms of criticizing it

00:20:12.000 And what's what it's doing and it's like wokeness and things like that

00:20:14.000 And what he was mentioning when it comes to china is that they're using political warfare

00:20:17.000 So it seems more like they're interfering in our culture.

00:20:20.000 They're interfering in our advertisements our our, you know Cultural creations our tv shows our radio programs our

00:20:26.000 schools and things like that So you end up with ultra woke grammy's asking for people to

00:20:32.000 basically commit crimes. This is the thing This performance they did and the reason I think it's

00:20:36.000 important to bring up is that It's not that they're directly saying hey go commit crimes

00:20:41.000 They're showing riots, viewing those riots as the good guys.

00:20:44.000 Like, they're depicting that as they're the good guys, the cops the bad guys, the people burning down the buildings, or the Black Lives Matter activists who are fighting, who are the good guys.

00:20:51.000 Then they say we need accomplices.

00:20:53.000 They're advocating for tearing ourselves apart.

00:20:56.000 This is people in the United States pointing the finger at the United States and saying, burn it down. 0.75

00:21:02.000 Burn it all down.

00:21:02.000 That's a direct quote from a lot of these activists.

00:21:04.000 They've jumped up on cars and they've yelled, burn it all down.

00:21:06.000 Do you think people in China do that?

00:21:07.000 They don't.

00:21:08.000 Now, first and foremost, they're not legally allowed to.

00:21:11.000 And that's kind of scary.

00:21:13.000 That you've got these two views.

00:21:14.000 In the U.S., you're allowed to, so we actually just fight ourselves and scream at each other.

00:21:17.000 And then in China, they're forced to, you know, this authoritarian system keeps them in line.

00:21:22.000 And they're growing rapidly, they're expanding.

00:21:25.000 They're engaging in political warfare with us, and then we're on the verge of falling apart.

00:21:29.000 I mean, that was a bold statement you just made.

00:21:31.000 You didn't feel like this was your country anymore.

00:21:31.000 Which statement was that?

00:21:33.000 I mean, it was a true statement.

00:21:34.000 It was an emotional tell.

00:21:37.000 I mean, yeah, like seeing, you know, Melrose Avenue, Beverly Hills, seeing, you know, seeing beautiful things destroyed.

00:21:45.000 And not only destroyed, but being, like, apologized for that.

00:21:49.000 Meaning, like, people downplaying the severity of it and people encouraging it.

00:21:54.000 Um, I just, I don't feel like LA is a city where I could meet somebody in the street and feel a bond with them.

00:22:00.000 Now, obviously, a lot of people were not happy with what took place, to put it lightly, but, but I mean, the fact that culturally people are comfortable encouraging such behavior, Says that morally, you know, in the way people think about ethics, people committing that type of violence have the moral high ground.

00:22:19.000 That's why they're comfortable getting on the Grammys and saying we need accomplices.

00:22:24.000 So, I mean, the question to ask is, I think, not so much what's wrong with critical race theory, but what's the alternative?

00:22:30.000 What are you offering as an alternative?

00:22:33.000 Classical liberalism.

00:22:35.000 Interesting statement.

00:22:37.000 Now, what does that mean to you?

00:22:38.000 Classical liberalism is typically about protecting the rights of the individual.

00:22:42.000 And, I mean, that's the strongest way to put it.

00:22:45.000 So, I don't know, is there any more specific... Well, I mean, I think... Versus, like, what we're saying with critical race theory is race-based collectivism.

00:22:53.000 So we can get into... Yeah, I mean, I like where you're going with this, but is there a period of time in American history, for instance, you would say that's, like, when the classical liberals hung out?

00:23:03.000 What do you mean?

00:23:04.000 Like, would you say the founding fathers?

00:23:06.000 Would you say the 1940s?

00:23:08.000 Like, is there a period of time?

00:23:09.000 No.

00:23:10.000 There's some elements of classical liberalism that have existed in the United States at various periods, but it's never been, like... Has it ever been more than less?

00:23:20.000 Is there, like, a... I don't think the U.S.

00:23:22.000 has ever been mostly classically liberal or libertarian in that regard.

00:23:27.000 Interesting.

00:23:28.000 If you go back to the Founding Fathers, for instance, slavery.

00:23:31.000 There's no question people were kept as property.

00:23:33.000 And more importantly, while the ideas of classical liberalism helped drive the idea that we no longer had to be under the knee of some divine prominence, the king declaring it, We certainly didn't have absolute freedoms.

00:23:46.000 There was cultural enforcement of various ideas.

00:23:50.000 Women not being able to do certain things. 1.00

00:23:52.000 But we've progressed greatly.

00:23:53.000 My issue now is that we got to this period where it was like it was almost going to get pretty good.

00:23:58.000 You know, in the 90s we still had censorship.

00:24:00.000 But we had that air.

00:24:01.000 We had people like George Carlin.

00:24:03.000 And we had, you know, he was willing to be offensive and say things that really ruffled feathers.

00:24:07.000 We do have people like that today still.

00:24:09.000 Now we're starting to get hard pushback from moral authoritarians again.

00:24:13.000 And so my thing is like, we don't want critical race theory.

00:24:17.000 We don't want race-based collectivism.

00:24:19.000 That to me is nightmarish, right?

00:24:20.000 There's this guy who just went viral earlier today because he tweeted to Bill Burr, who's got a black wife, that it may be a sign of racism.

00:24:28.000 And he referred to Bill Burr's wife, and he's claiming he did, but he did as a minority Adult use slave, we'll put it that way. 0.87

00:24:37.000 Like Sally Hemings? 0.90

00:24:38.000 He literally claimed like Bill Burr was keeping this woman around for his pleasure as a slave, and it was one of the most shockingly disgusting things I've heard from a critical race theorist.

00:24:47.000 So I'm like, hey, let's respect the individual.

00:24:49.000 Let's live and let live.

00:24:50.000 Let's have some, we need some regulation and some restriction, but we mostly want individual freedom.

00:24:56.000 There's an interesting debate in the idea of collectivism in that there does have to be some, not none, but that we're going in the wrong direction with it.

00:25:04.000 Does that answer your question?

00:25:05.000 Did I do a good job?

00:25:06.000 I mean, you gave me your point of view.

00:25:09.000 So I think the topic of slavery and women's suffrage complicates things in a way that's difficult for me to make the point that I'm trying to make.

00:25:15.000 But obviously, in most of history, slavery and ownership of women, basically pushing, you know, telling women what to do, has been the norm.

00:25:25.000 I think your co-host looks like he still supports those things.

00:25:28.000 Why are you ragging on Ian so much, man?

00:25:30.000 You gotta have that guy.

00:25:31.000 It's like a grounding rod.

00:25:32.000 Yeah.

00:25:34.000 Ian's the opposite of those things.

00:25:35.000 He's like the leftiest guy on the show.

00:25:37.000 He's so nice.

00:25:39.000 I can't say so much now.

00:25:41.000 Now, but like in that, so I think in their time, the Enlightenment thinkers, you know, the Age of Reason, as Thomas Paine, I think, dubbed it.

00:25:41.000 I'm saying.

00:25:49.000 People like Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington.

00:25:53.000 And, you know, people joke, people laugh at you now, especially people on the right.

00:25:56.000 They mock you for saying this.

00:25:58.000 But in their context, in their time in history, Even though slavery was a norm, even though women were still largely seen as basically trading cards. 0.97

00:26:08.000 In their context, they were taking a very bold new step for man in drafting the Declaration of Independence, saying life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:26:19.000 And they were going to have property.

00:26:20.000 Did you know this?

00:26:21.000 They were going to have property.

00:26:22.000 Life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:26:24.000 And I wish they had it in there in order to help us have a lot more capitalism for a lot longer, possibly.

00:26:29.000 But you know why they didn't have property in there?

00:26:32.000 Because they wanted to stick it to the slaveholders, because they knew they would use their So when you look at context, when you look at the history of philosophy and all of the great brave steps that it took to go from the just blurry and reckless ancient and prehistoric times to get to a point where you have intellectuals establishing a country 0.52

00:27:02.000 I mean, willing to fight for it, but then once the war is won, to sit and debate painstakingly and to look at, ask, what is human nature?

00:27:11.000 What is the best type of society for a human being to live and to pursue life, liberty, and his own happiness?

00:27:19.000 To get to that point is a magnificent intellectual achievement that we take for granted.

00:27:23.000 So when I say classical liberal, I'm talking about those guys.

00:27:25.000 I'm talking about the age of reason.

00:27:27.000 And I'm not talking about what came after them, especially in America, like intellectuals, pragmatists, utilitarians, progressives, obviously.

00:27:37.000 And of course we get the postmoderns and we get the critical race theorists, which is probably an offshoot of postmodern or something.

00:27:44.000 I'm not an expert like your previous guest.

00:27:47.000 I agree with you on the Founding Fathers.

00:27:49.000 A lot of people don't realize this, but it wasn't just a political revolution, it was an ideological revolution.

00:27:54.000 A lot of countries on the world were under the crown or some monarch or some autocrat or some kind of system where it was, you know, these kings would say by divine providence, I am the king, God wills it, you know, and then they would just tell people, do it or else, and they had people who were loyal to that idea and to them.

00:28:10.000 And then all of a sudden you get this group of people in the U.S.

00:28:14.000 Some of them, I've read a little bit about this, the authority of the Founding Fathers was questioned, even by some, like based on how they were voted to represent the colony they came from, because it was like, who saith this colony that you represent them in one independence?

00:28:26.000 But these are a lot of people who are like, yo, we don't need a king.

00:28:30.000 We can rule by the consent of the governed.

00:28:33.000 We can create something new.

00:28:34.000 It's truly profound.

00:28:36.000 And there were a lot of ideas, but I think when you look back at history, While I absolutely take the good from the Founding Fathers, I've got the coin collection for Thomas Jefferson.

00:28:45.000 I love it.

00:28:46.000 I think the dude was a genius.

00:28:47.000 I also think he was a product of his times.

00:28:49.000 There's a lot of things back then we criticize.

00:28:51.000 The reason I don't highlight all of those and emphasize them and condemn the Founding Fathers over those things is that we've changed, and we don't want to be like, we hate these people because they did bad things.

00:29:00.000 Nobody was saying, we want to say, they did bad things, but here are these really, really good things we're keeping now.

00:29:05.000 But I do think it's fair to point out, I mean, they did a lot of bad things, but we're not here to talk about them as people.

00:29:10.000 We're talking about the ideas that they promoted and the effect, what made them stand out in history.

00:29:14.000 And so, while I agree with you about the Founding Fathers, for their time was a radical bunch of classical liberal types fighting for the rights of the individual against this king, willing to literally fight and die.

00:29:24.000 And many of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence had their legacies, their names, and their lives stripped away from them.

00:29:30.000 That was a bold and amazing bunch of people.

00:29:33.000 To go back then, I think, would be a rude awakening for a lot of people today in terms of what you could or couldn't do because of cultural and social enforcement.

00:29:41.000 So that's my big concern today with things like critical race theory, Black Lives Matter, and commercials.

00:29:46.000 That it's not so much about what's legal.

00:29:48.000 You're allowed to go and do things.

00:29:50.000 It's about someone will dig up a tweet from you from 10 years ago and then you can never get a job again.

00:29:55.000 You're basically being ostracized for something at the time was fine and now isn't.

00:29:59.000 That's cultural enforcement.

00:30:00.000 Imagine having such magnificent technology where you can do such a thing as tweet and then someone else can dig up that tweet.

00:30:07.000 And you don't need, and nobody's forcing you to sign up for Twitter in the first place.

00:30:11.000 The technology we're living with is what they would have called science fiction a very short time ago, let alone going back in the day.

00:30:18.000 And I'm not saying let's go back and live like Washington and Jefferson.

00:30:21.000 I'm saying we need to look at the ideas that they came up with.

00:30:26.000 Fine-tune them and expand them to everybody.

00:30:30.000 Include all races and all 78 genders, I'm saying. 0.99

00:30:34.000 There's 144.

00:30:37.000 And anyone who identifies at any gender obviously has the right to do that.

00:30:40.000 I think we all can agree with that.

00:30:42.000 But they don't have the right to require somebody else to call them anything or to treat them any certain way.

00:30:47.000 Which is part of what I'm saying about cultural enforcement.

00:30:50.000 Look obviously but also like you can't really speak about what's taking place in the culture and not acknowledge the fact that we have a largely meddled with economy so we have business and government largely blended together regulation and subsidies right so favors and penalties you gotta divorce the two and that's exactly What the Founding Fathers should have done more explicitly.

00:31:14.000 They did a pretty good job implementing a separation of state from economics.

00:31:18.000 Not a perfect job, but a pretty good job.

00:31:20.000 But they should have put it in writing.

00:31:21.000 So in the Constitution, it should have said, separate church from state, separate economics from state.

00:31:27.000 Wouldn't that be wonderful?

00:31:28.000 I don't think separation of church and state is in the Constitution, though.

00:31:31.000 Wherever it is.

00:31:32.000 I think it was just like an ideal of the Founding Fathers that was enshrined in their writings.

00:31:36.000 I don't know if it is.

00:31:37.000 Maybe the Federalist Papers or something.

00:31:38.000 I think it is, isn't it?

00:31:39.000 Well, I guess the First Amendment is what you would say is kind of where we get that.

00:31:43.000 Right, right, right.

00:31:44.000 The right of the individual to be, you know... This is the place for the highest cutting-edge intellectuals on the internet right now.

00:31:50.000 We got Tim Pool, we got me, we got this mother... Hey, hey, hey! 0.90

00:31:54.000 Just ragging on Ian!

00:31:55.000 And producer... Lydia.

00:31:57.000 Lydia.

00:31:58.000 Yeah.

00:32:00.000 So here's what I mean by, I want to go back to cultural enforcement.

00:32:04.000 If we want to take these good ideas from the Founding Fathers, I completely agree with you.

00:32:08.000 I want those to be put more in application today.

00:32:10.000 Have the individual, the right, anybody who wants to identify as whatever they want can be respected and live their lives.

00:32:16.000 But it's the authoritarianism.

00:32:17.000 It's the, if you don't say this, you're fired, right?

00:32:20.000 We had an actor on the show last week and he was saying like, He goes to these rehearsals, and they're all announcing their pronouns.

00:32:26.000 And it's not like there's a law, but you know what happens if you refuse to do it?

00:32:31.000 You don't get your job.

00:32:32.000 And you don't work.

00:32:33.000 And then you may as well find a different career, one that's not been infected by this cultural dogma.

00:32:40.000 So if you want classical liberalism, you've got to contend with the fact that, you know, politics is downstream from culture.

00:32:46.000 We can get a bunch of great politicians to talk about a bunch of great ideas, but then if no one is willing to do certain things because they're scared their neighbors will yell at them, it just won't happen.

00:32:53.000 Yeah I mean look you know I said you can't you can't look at the way the world is going and people are having their livelihoods destroyed and all types of problems without acknowledging the fact we have a regulatory state and a largely tempered with economy but I'll go further and say you can't look at the way people behave and what they believe without acknowledging the history of philosophy so the fact we have a world where so many people uh... think they can invent their own gender or that we live in a world where people think that you know calling for accomplices in basically overthrowing civil order is acceptable and that is conducive to life on earth it speaks to philosophical development so i will offer you the following after the founding fathers and the men of the age of reason and maybe some women as well i don't know

00:33:40.000 Um, sort of came up with their innovations in philosophy and they discovered that the nature of man calls for his rights to be protected by a government with a monopoly on force.

00:33:50.000 And I think John Locke, John, have you even read Locke?

00:33:54.000 You know, played a large role in in providing people like Thomas Paine with those ideas.

00:34:01.000 But after America was established, the intellectuals of the generations after them, they put all of their effort into basically reversing what the founders had implemented intellectually.

00:34:15.000 So, what they call the, before the progressives, the pragmatists, Pragmatism is the American philosophy, not the founder's philosophy, but like the post-founding American philosophy.

00:34:30.000 You go to any public school, you go to any house of learning since, you know, sometime in the 19th century and onward, pragmatism was like the, uh, was the American philosophy, which it was influenced by the Germans.

00:34:43.000 It was influenced by Hegel and Kant and other philosophers who rejected certainty.

00:34:49.000 They said, look, all you know is you can't be certain.

00:34:52.000 I mean, they said a lot of other things, too.

00:34:53.000 But once that was in place, once intellectuals said that the individual cannot look at the world independently, observe it independently, and be rational about it, and make independently rational decisions, and live, and should be protected in doing so, that his right to do so should be protected.

00:35:13.000 Once they were rejecting that type of independence and the rejected reason, in essence, the era of the founders was over.

00:35:20.000 The age of reason was over.

00:35:23.000 And now you had educators basically training students to be well-socialized young boys and girls.

00:35:29.000 They were teaching them to be sheep.

00:35:31.000 They were teaching them not to think.

00:35:32.000 And with each generation, we've seen it get worse.

00:35:35.000 We've seen people get less independent, less rational.

00:35:39.000 We've seen random acts of violence.

00:35:41.000 You know, in the 19th century, there would be someone who would shoot up people randomly, and it was shocking, but it happened.

00:35:47.000 Obviously, jump forward to modern times, and before this lockdown, it was like every two weeks.

00:35:52.000 It's actually worse now.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, but I mean, when you reject reason at the highest levels of the intellectual world, then what do you expect kids to be taught in, you know, elementary school?

00:36:02.000 Think about that idea of divine providence or whatever, that just trust me, the Lord wills that I be king or whatever.

00:36:10.000 You gotta take away reason from an individual if you want to establish a system like that.

00:36:14.000 For the longest time, people didn't reason.

00:36:16.000 It just was.

00:36:17.000 And so long as you had the zealotry, the king could maintain power.

00:36:21.000 I'm gonna make a statement that's gonna get me in trouble, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

00:36:24.000 Here we go.

00:36:25.000 Donald Trump's presidency is in a certain way similar to, like, the way you're describing the American Revolution and the Founding Fathers.

00:36:33.000 You're angry now.

00:36:34.000 See, hold on.

00:36:35.000 Let me tell you why.

00:36:36.000 All right.

00:36:37.000 I'm not saying because— I think I— But I'll get the idea.

00:36:40.000 I'm not saying because Trump was right.

00:36:41.000 I'm not saying because Trump was good.

00:36:43.000 I'm saying because it was basically an affront to the established order.

00:36:48.000 That Donald Trump was not supposed to win.

00:36:50.000 Whatever it is he was doing was offensive to those in power.

00:36:53.000 And so they very much did not like him and said, this can't happen again.

00:36:57.000 I look back at the founding fathers and you have this point where there was a deviation away from the crown and the absolute authority of those who were, you know, willed to be kings.

00:37:07.000 And like you mentioned, all of a sudden, generation after generation, they've stripped away reason and taught children to be better and better sheep till now here we are. 0.89

00:37:16.000 Well, I mean, I think a lot of people who like Trump, whom are not bad people, would probably say they were drawn to him for reasons that you described, because they see a sort of pushback against authority or being told what to do, and they see him as sort of this kind of independent guy that doesn't let the media or anyone tell him what to do.

00:37:37.000 I get that, but left sort of unchecked, like kind of left without Without any correction, what Trump, I think, represents is just this dispensing with any sort of rational method.

00:37:52.000 Trump says what passes through his head, and that becomes so-called reality, and his fans love it.

00:37:57.000 They're willing to die on that hill.

00:38:00.000 Quite literally, I think.

00:38:01.000 A decent amount of them.

00:38:02.000 I would say, you know, look, out of 74.2 million people, it was a much smaller fraction.

00:38:06.000 I'm not talking about anyone who voted for him, because a lot of people voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils, or even because they liked some things about him.

00:38:13.000 But, I mean, I'm talking about what Trump represents, the way he's influenced the Republican Party, the way he's influenced the way people go about politics.

00:38:22.000 I think he definitely represents a serious development for the worst, but I get where you're coming from when you say that kind of emotionally he speaks to people sort of like the ghost of the Founding Fathers.

00:38:33.000 I don't even mean that, though.

00:38:34.000 I'm just saying, like, you have an established order, you have the Democratic and Republican establishment, and then all of a sudden Trump comes along and he's a bull, just stampeding through and kind of just knocking over their stuff.

00:38:45.000 I'm not saying there's an equivalence in his philosophy. 0.90

00:38:48.000 I'm saying that you have kings, you have colonization, you have war, you have monarchs, autocrats, and here come the Founding Fathers saying, screw you, what are you gonna do about it?

00:38:57.000 Well, remember the Founding Fathers were in intellectuals and when they weren't killing the British

00:39:02.000 they were taking a lot of time to make sure they got it right and they had

00:39:06.000 beliefs about the nature of man and they were intellectuals and they were to

00:39:10.000 really the one time in history that intellectuals were also

00:39:12.000 blowing heads off but then carefully crafting out a system of government

00:39:16.000 so I could basically flip that and say the way Trump behaves the way

00:39:20.000 he's willing to basically smash the system reminds me of some Attilas in 1.00

00:39:24.000 history some Genghis Khan sure so I mean by the way by the way Kings Kings are

00:39:29.000 not a natural fact of history like Kings that King

00:39:32.000 The rule of kings did not just evolve like the chimpanzee.

00:39:37.000 There was a time when there was, let's say, democracy in Greece.

00:39:40.000 Far from perfect, but much better than just the king and the pope telling peasants how to live.

00:39:46.000 It devolved.

00:39:47.000 There was Rome, which was also a senate-type of system.

00:39:52.000 Ancient sort of ages of reason where they where they highly embraced reason and they really wanted to get it right And so how did we go from that to the dark age which very much exists?

00:40:04.000 Seems like I think we're getting into that.

00:40:06.000 I think it was the rejection of reason which is why you get brutes in charge, but Real quick.

00:40:06.000 It's possible.

00:40:11.000 Sorry.

00:40:11.000 Yeah, do you think we're heading into another dark age?

00:40:14.000 If we, uh, on the route we're going, absolutely.

00:40:16.000 I'm sad to say.

00:40:17.000 I mean, listen, I can't predict something like that.

00:40:19.000 Like, let's say it's possible that authoritarianism is on the rise, but let's say technology is just developing so fast and people love it so much that the authoritarians don't want to take that away from people.

00:40:30.000 Like, there's a number of outcomes where this can take us that I cannot predict.

00:40:35.000 I can't just rationalistically say, nope, like all the things add up, like it all adds up, we're going to have authoritarianism.

00:40:42.000 I can't predict that, but the way we're going, the way that reason is being rejected, the way that brute force is being celebrated, and we're seeing brute force a lot, and so to have somebody like Trump in such a prominent place in society, I think, Sadly, does not say something positive about where we're heading.

00:41:00.000 I like how many nods I've been getting from you, you know?

00:41:02.000 I'm happy, I feel comfortable, I'm happy to be here.

00:41:05.000 Get your ideas and your thoughts, you know what I mean?

00:41:07.000 I'll give you mine.

00:41:08.000 But I will clarify, too.

00:41:09.000 I'm not saying Trump is like the Founding Fathers.

00:41:11.000 We can argue that there was an aberration in the established order where the Founding Fathers pushed us heavily towards individualism and freedom, and then with Trump, it was a rejection of establishment.

00:41:21.000 They're not the same thing, right?

00:41:24.000 So the point I was making more so was that the powers that be were outraged.

00:41:29.000 And what I see is with Trump, there was this concerted effort to fortify the election, as Time Magazine called it, because they did not want Trump to become president again or to get reelected with the founding fathers.

00:41:41.000 I absolutely believe what you were saying is true.

00:41:44.000 There's a lot of people, probably just because the system is exploitable.

00:41:47.000 When you have freedom, it's very difficult to maintain because cheaters can cheat.

00:41:51.000 It's not true.

00:41:52.000 Then how have they done it?

00:41:52.000 You don't think so?

00:41:54.000 Have they done what?

00:41:55.000 Over time, our system has been exploited to push for the lowest common denominator.

00:42:00.000 Our school systems are making our youth institutionalized and incapable.

00:42:05.000 And now we end up with a generation of millennials saddled with massive debt for degrees they can't use.

00:42:11.000 And what skills have they earned from spending all this money and just being extracted, essentially, by Freddie Mac and Sally May, those are the names of the company?

00:42:19.000 Or these big loans?

00:42:20.000 Freddie May or Sally May?

00:42:22.000 I don't know what the companies are.

00:42:23.000 This is your place for mortgage info.

00:42:23.000 I didn't get schooled on this.

00:42:25.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:42:26.000 We got all the news.

00:42:27.000 No, I just mean like... Listen, I mean... To go from the Founding Fathers, freedom, to now have people demanding communism.

00:42:34.000 Well, not only are they demanding communism... I don't even know how much people are demanding communism.

00:42:38.000 I think people, like let's say on the far left, are demanding something even uglier than communism, like some kind of Cambodian egalitarianism, where everyone with any level of privilege is shaved down.

00:42:49.000 That's a scary thought.

00:42:50.000 Listen, I can sit here and throw red meat all day to people on the right and say these

00:42:53.000 leftists are as bad as you think, but we're not only seeing calls for that, we're seeing

00:42:57.000 calls for authoritarianism.

00:42:59.000 We want people, we want Donald Trump to rule, and they want the next guy, Josh Hawley or 1.00

00:43:03.000 somebody worse than him to be like a populist, loud mouthed piece of trash who does not care 0.99

00:43:09.000 So how did we go from the Founding Fathers to this? 0.99

00:43:12.000 Basically, it was the dispensing of reason.

00:43:14.000 So the Founding Fathers did not emerge in a vacuum.

00:43:16.000 They were part of a tradition of the development of philosophy.

00:43:20.000 After them, like I said, the utilitarians, the pragmatists came along.

00:43:25.000 What did the pragmatists say?

00:43:27.000 They said, you can't really live by principles, right?

00:43:29.000 Principles are too constricting and you don't really know if they're going to work.

00:43:34.000 Just act!

00:43:34.000 So what do you do?

00:43:35.000 Just act and see if it worked.

00:43:37.000 And so, how do you know how to act, right?

00:43:38.000 Just, well, you can't use principles, right?

00:43:41.000 So just, whatever you feel.

00:43:43.000 Do what you feel, bro.

00:43:44.000 That is, unfortunately, become the American way.

00:43:46.000 So, in essence, I see Donald Trump as, like, the pragmatist president.

00:43:51.000 He's not the worst president.

00:43:53.000 He represents the worst of the intellectual, or the first worst of the intellectual.

00:43:59.000 There's been worse intellectuals than the pragmatists.

00:44:01.000 But he, to me, Donald Trump represents the The absolute rejection of the founding fathers, which is why a lot of very crappy... See, I'm trying to keep you monetized.

00:44:13.000 A lot of very bad people that have emerged in the last few years. 0.55

00:44:15.000 A lot of very anti-individualistic people on the right.

00:44:20.000 They love Trump for a reason.

00:44:21.000 They love him because he represents America, minus any principles, minus the founding documents, minus any philosophy.

00:44:28.000 You've got to break that down a little bit more.

00:44:30.000 Sure.

00:44:30.000 Explain that, because as a statement, I don't understand.

00:44:33.000 So why do you think, let's say, the alt-right loves Donald Trump, or they did when he ran?

00:44:37.000 I don't think they do.

00:44:39.000 Well, they did it.

00:44:40.000 They wanted him to win, no?

00:44:42.000 For nationalistic reasons.

00:44:43.000 Okay, why do you think they love nationalism, or why do you think they think Trump represents their type of nationalism?

00:44:49.000 Trump was talking about ending free trade agreements and securing our borders.

00:44:52.000 For them, it was probably an issue of immigration and their race and their ideals.

00:44:58.000 It is very much that.

00:44:59.000 And in addition to that, on a deeper level, it's the rejection of principles.

00:45:03.000 You never see Trump get up there and talk about how the founders gave us these principles that will protect us from government authoritarianism.

00:45:10.000 When Trump was inaugurated, he didn't get up there and talk about the reverence that we should have for the founders.

00:45:17.000 He got up there and goes, Today marks a power transfer from the government back to the people.

00:45:22.000 I mean, this has nothing to do with the founding principles of America.

00:45:27.000 This has nothing to do with any principles.

00:45:29.000 I don't think the Trump supporters are rejecting those principles.

00:45:31.000 I think they... I'm not saying all of them again.

00:45:32.000 I'm not saying all of Trump voters... No, no, no, no.

00:45:34.000 I think you'd find they would all agree with you on everything you're saying about the Founding Fathers.

00:45:37.000 Well, then we need to be very meticulous in identifying what it is we like about the Founding Fathers.

00:45:42.000 I would say it's that they were men of principles, and the principles of individual rights.

00:45:46.000 And, you know, getting to a point where we have a guy who just invents facts out of thin air that just occur to him, and that people are willing to die for those so-called utterances, and that Trump could later change his mind, and they'll then change their mind as well.

00:46:01.000 To have that, I think it represents something that absolutely rejects any philosophy.

00:46:07.000 I think the amount of people you're describing is smaller than you realize.

00:46:11.000 I mean, people who take it that far are small.

00:46:13.000 The people who stormed the Capitol disregarded the President himself.

00:46:16.000 I don't think they care all that much about him.

00:46:18.000 Those people.

00:46:19.000 The people who support the President, and many of them probably blindly, were at Trump's rally, watching him speak.

00:46:25.000 But the storming of the Capitol started while Trump was still speaking, when Trump said, peacefully march, and even people like Alex Jones, this is according to PBS, Jones was saying, don't fight the cops, please be peaceful.

00:46:35.000 That'll be the narrative.

00:46:36.000 So who are these guys who are like, we don't care what Trump says?

00:46:40.000 Certainly they were, they were Trump supporters.

00:46:42.000 Not for, they were not Trump supporters first.

00:46:44.000 They were something else.

00:46:45.000 And they're probably these people, probably the authoritarians who think in their minds that the heroes of the constitution or whatever.

00:46:51.000 But if your idea of fighting for freedom and principles and what the Founding Fathers did is to just barge your way into a constitutional process that you disagree with, that's literally not.

00:47:01.000 More importantly, if you were going to support the President and his fight and he said to do it peacefully, you clearly don't support the President.

00:47:07.000 So those people, I don't think, represent the larger picture.

00:47:09.000 I think what Trump represents from the day that he entered politics is a dispensing with principles.

00:47:14.000 He has always spoken about America like a business he's going to run, like an executive.

00:47:19.000 He's always spoken about economic liberty.

00:47:21.000 Well, he never uses that phrase, but economics as though it's for him to manage and micromanage or to issue declarations.

00:47:29.000 So what Trump represents is a turn away from principles.

00:47:33.000 Again, that doesn't mean all his voters want to dispense with principles, but certainly people that want to dispense with principles, people that want America minus its founding documents, people that want America to be a land of geography and of genetics, people who believe that America is just a group of people with no relation to philosophy, those people, they see Trump rightfully as a step in their direction.

00:47:58.000 Now I've gone from the nodding with you to the shaking my head.

00:48:00.000 Yeah, I see that.

00:48:01.000 Because the alt-right is not a prominent faction.

00:48:04.000 That's not a large... I mean, do we even talk about them like they're some little group anymore?

00:48:08.000 Basically, the Republican Party is basically like, they all laugh at the Founding Fathers at this point.

00:48:14.000 You go to a Republican group, they'll laugh at you.

00:48:16.000 Come on, come on, you gotta draw a line.

00:48:17.000 When you say the genetics they want, there's a big difference between the Republican Party and the alt-right.

00:48:23.000 So you can point out and criticize the alt-right, rightly so, but to act like that's Trump's base, that's just absolutely not true.

00:48:29.000 Look, I'm not even concerned with Trump at this point.

00:48:31.000 I'm saying the Republican Party today has nothing to do with love of capitalism, with the rights of the individual.

00:48:36.000 Gone are the days of... Absolutely.

00:48:38.000 I completely agree.

00:48:40.000 So I'm saying, look what happened.

00:48:41.000 Gone are the days of Republicans talking about how an immigrant could swim here across the ocean with Ted Cruz.

00:48:51.000 My father had $20 in his underwear.

00:48:54.000 He became a dishwasher.

00:48:55.000 There's a guy I absolutely hate.

00:48:57.000 If you get Ted Cruz in here, please bring me on here to challenge him to consensual physical combat. 0.72

00:49:02.000 No, no, no.

00:49:04.000 Basketball match.

00:49:05.000 We got a basketball court.

00:49:06.000 He used to play in high school, I guess.

00:49:08.000 Yeah, well, I'll play better, trust me.

00:49:10.000 I'm from the streets.

00:49:12.000 Look, I think, I detest the Republican Party.

00:49:14.000 I mean, every opportunity they've had to actually fight for what the people are asking for, they don't do it.

00:49:19.000 Well, the people.

00:49:20.000 Which people?

00:49:21.000 Like, their voters.

00:49:22.000 Okay, what do the people want?

00:49:25.000 I guess it depends on what you poll, but the number one issue for Republicans is control of immigration.

00:49:30.000 Why is that the number one issue for Republicans?

00:49:33.000 So a lot of the Republicans live in rural areas.

00:49:36.000 Many of them saw their small towns destroyed by a loss of industry as free trade agreements shipped off these factories to Mexico, to China.

00:49:42.000 That's one of the things that Bernie and Trump both had in 2015 and 16.

00:49:47.000 Bernie ended up eventually just joining the Democratic establishment, but Trump, he's

00:49:51.000 the guy where Michael Moore, Michael Moore gave the speech where he was like, Donald

00:49:56.000 Trump went to the auto executives and said, I will put a 30% tariff on your car and no

00:50:03.000 one will ever buy your vehicle again.

00:50:06.000 And no one had ever challenged the executives this way for these people who are in rural

00:50:10.000 areas.

00:50:11.000 One big thing they're seeing with immigration is the job market is depressed.

00:50:15.000 So their view, I'm not trying to make certain facts, I'm trying to say this is the general understanding I have.

00:50:20.000 When you have mass migration and an industry being shipped overseas, so Joe Biden wants more free trade agreements, he wants higher corporate tax, and he wants no deportations for 100 days, which he lost that fight.

00:50:34.000 What ends up happening is you have more workers, less jobs, and an incentive with higher corporate taxes for companies to leave and the opportunity to do so.

00:50:42.000 You're going to get a Donald Trump who says, I'm going to reject those things when you have rural voters who lost their manufacturing plants, who lost their coal mining facilities, of which there weren't that many, but these manufacturing plants were shipped overseas.

00:50:53.000 Now they're, now they're hungry.

00:50:54.000 Now they're desperate.

00:50:55.000 Donald Trump says, I'll get you those things back.

00:50:57.000 So how did we go from being a country where the individual's rights are inalienable to becoming a country where people in rural areas have a right to having their job provided to them for it not being shipped off overseas or anything else?

00:51:11.000 What happened to the days of individuals in America packing up?

00:51:15.000 Back in the day when a plant would close down, they would load up their cart and they would Which moved to somewhere where there are jobs.

00:51:22.000 Was it the 14th amendment?

00:51:24.000 The income tax law in the Federal Reserve?

00:51:25.000 Which one was that one?

00:51:26.000 I don't know.

00:51:28.000 That's probably the time when people were mandated to give a portion of their income for a guaranteed aspect.

00:51:33.000 I'm with you.

00:51:34.000 So we agree that that was part one of the major steps towards the beginning of the end.

00:51:39.000 I say this too.

00:51:40.000 So we need to get back to free market economics and we need to get back to a philosophical view of man that says man's rights are inalienable, including the man who builds his own company and ends up hiring many people and then later decides that the way the world is changing and the way his business is growing, it makes more sense for him to move it to a different location in or outside the country.

00:52:00.000 And the government has no place incentivizing nor punishing that action.

00:52:04.000 I agree with much of what you just said.

00:52:06.000 I don't wanna get into every single point, but specifically, one of the problems with making your own company is regulations.

00:52:11.000 How do you compete with a factory in China that has none?

00:52:14.000 And if you're trying, so, you know, they shut down your factory, now you got a bunch of workers who want to work.

00:52:19.000 And you say, I'd love to hire you, but I can't afford to pay 10 bucks an hour to everybody because I gotta compete with China that pays a dollar.

00:52:26.000 So now people here can't even compete with the industry of these other companies.

00:52:30.000 The higher corporate tax?

00:52:31.000 You're right.

00:52:32.000 The government is disincentivizing and restricting the ability for people to actually start their own industries.

00:52:37.000 Now, you can go out onto your small plot of land, say you have one, and chop your own wood and hunt for your own food if you're able to, but now we've got a whole bunch of government regulatory problems.

00:52:47.000 If you're not legally allowed to hunt, then how do you do it?

00:52:49.000 Now you can't eat.

00:52:50.000 You can't work because you don't have the right permits and you can't compete with Chinese manufacturing plants or Mexican. 1.00

00:52:56.000 And you can't afford to pay the minimum wage.

00:52:58.000 Congratulations.

00:52:58.000 Now it's just impossible for the American worker.

00:53:01.000 They'll vote for Donald Trump.

00:53:03.000 Look, I mean, America today produces more stuff than ever before.

00:53:06.000 There's more manufacturing in America today than ever before.

00:53:09.000 Is that true?

00:53:11.000 It absolutely is true.

00:53:12.000 And it's sad to me that in a time when... What, is Google going to give you a quick answer to that?

00:53:17.000 I mean, it's sad that...

00:53:18.000 I think that at a time when we're basically putting the internet in objects that fit in your pocket, that people are not moving to places where they can learn new skills and look for new jobs.

00:53:29.000 Everyone is just going to sit there and either accept welfare or demand that the president provide them with a job.

00:53:37.000 Whatever happened to the land of the individual?

00:53:38.000 Whatever happened to capitalism?

00:53:40.000 Is capitalism until the Chinese start having some elements of capitalism? 0.98

00:53:46.000 Then we're not for it anymore?

00:53:47.000 It's just very sad, but I think, again, I can't argue economics.

00:53:51.000 I can argue more about philosophy.

00:53:53.000 The way Americans see the rights of the individual, the way they see human nature, has changed.

00:53:58.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:53:59.000 So that's the battle.

00:54:01.000 You are right.

00:54:02.000 NIST says 1.6% manufacturing growth year over year.

00:54:06.000 From 2009 to 2019, about 3% growth overall.

00:54:12.000 Annual growth rate is around 3% between 2009 and 2019.

00:54:17.000 I don't know why they're giving me two numbers.

00:54:18.000 But it's been growing.

00:54:19.000 It has been growing.

00:54:20.000 But I think the issue is...

00:54:22.000 Certain people lose their jobs, and so they vote for Trump.

00:54:26.000 It brings me no joy when anyone loses their job, but believe me, in a capitalist, a real capitalist society, I mean, I know you have some free market sentiments, you probably agree that in an actual capitalist society, there'd be more jobs than people able to fill them, right?

00:54:38.000 Yeah.

00:54:39.000 I think it's a really interesting point you bring up about everything that's going on in that maybe people need to stop asking the government for help, even Republicans and conservatives who tend to be the ones who argue that they're not the ones doing that.

00:54:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:54.000 Voting for Trump to end these free trade agreements is asking the government to bring your companies back.

00:55:00.000 And Donald Trump did that by using the power of government.

00:55:02.000 Whereas technology has dramatically changed, and the ability to transport products overseas has made it very, very easy for companies to exist in areas where it's easier to operate.

00:55:11.000 It looks like the lack of restrictions on Chinese labor has made them able to compete better.

00:55:16.000 I'm not a staunch capitalist. And by the way, American standard of living has risen because of

00:55:21.000 uh trade with Chinese companies. You know, you got you got people in rural areas going to a big

00:55:26.000 beautiful shiny Walmart and buying a wardrobe for their kids, buying stocking up with plenty of food

00:55:31.000 to eat. I mean because of well maybe not food from China but but you know what I'm saying.

00:55:36.000 There's a lot going on there, though, man.

00:55:38.000 Their standard of living has risen.

00:55:39.000 Look, I mean, and if China's up to actual crime, if they're stealing intellectual property, or if they're ripping off Americans, obviously, or it should be obvious, the job of the American government is to say, no way, we're protecting the rights of our citizens. 0.83

00:55:52.000 That is the job of the government, but the job of the government is not to bring jobs home.

00:55:56.000 That is not the job of a proper government, and they can't do it anyway, even if they try.

00:56:00.000 They just cause damage.

00:56:02.000 When Trump promises all of these things, maybe he can deliver some of it, but it's going to have worse ramifications in the long term.

00:56:08.000 But we don't think about the long term, do we?

00:56:10.000 We only think—we're pragmatists, right?

00:56:12.000 We only think about the short term.

00:56:14.000 So the choice today is between pragmatists, who they only think about the very short term and go with their feeling, versus, you know, postmodern egalitarians, who they're looking at the, quote, big picture, but their big picture is effed in the A, if you catch what I'm alluding to here.

00:56:29.000 Broken and awful.

00:56:30.000 So these are my options today.

00:56:31.000 I will offer you that individualism is the answer.

00:56:35.000 Don't think of it so abstractly.

00:56:36.000 Just ask as an individual.

00:56:38.000 You're a successful guy if I've ever seen one.

00:56:42.000 Look at this empire.

00:56:43.000 Good God.

00:56:44.000 I could get lost in this house.

00:56:46.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:56:47.000 I could get lost on your website.

00:56:48.000 I start going down the rabbit hole of videos with tons of views.

00:56:52.000 I can get lost.

00:56:53.000 Look in your comments section.

00:56:54.000 I can get lost.

00:56:55.000 That's how big...

00:56:57.000 Uh, what you've done is happening.

00:56:58.000 Thank you.

00:56:58.000 Through all this hard work.

00:56:59.000 Oh, I mean, I mean... No, but what's your point?

00:57:01.000 You don't need me to tell you.

00:57:02.000 But, um... Individualism in the work.

00:57:04.000 I mean, this is what I'm talking about.

00:57:06.000 I'm talking about you as an individual looking at the world and asking, what do I want and how do I get it?

00:57:11.000 So that's exactly what you've been doing.

00:57:13.000 I often disagree, let's say, with your beliefs, but the methods you've employed to, um, you know, as from what I know, and to, uh...

00:57:21.000 To pursue what you wanted and to build.

00:57:23.000 I mean, doesn't that speak to what it is that capitalism gives us?

00:57:28.000 That liberty to property rights?

00:57:31.000 Obviously, none of us would have any of this technology if intellectual property in Silicon Valley and elsewhere wasn't protected.

00:57:37.000 Finance industry, all the money that was loaned to people who wanted to develop these technologies.

00:57:41.000 I mean, capitalism, other than being ethical, practical, it actually is the one moral system. It's

00:57:49.000 the one system that allows you, as an individual, to look at the world and say, what do I

00:57:53.000 want to earn for myself? And then you get to keep it. What do you do about monopolies? There's no

00:57:57.000 such thing. Only monopolies are government-granted monopolies. I like your producer, by the

00:58:02.000 way.

00:58:03.000 She nods more than you.

00:58:06.000 I'm just listening.

00:58:08.000 Over my shoulder that's nodding like, keep going.

00:58:09.000 Why do you think I'm so cocky?

00:58:11.000 I'm getting so much encouragement.

00:58:12.000 No, no, no.

00:58:12.000 Listen, listen, listen.

00:58:13.000 Yeah, yeah, listen to Tim.

00:58:14.000 So, parlor.

00:58:16.000 Parler decided, we're gonna make our own app.

00:58:19.000 We're gonna have, you know, certain rules.

00:58:21.000 It won't be absolutely free, but it'll be much more free than the other platforms.

00:58:24.000 And then they get booted off the Play Store, they get booted off the App Store on iTunes.

00:58:27.000 They get villainized, demonized by this... I don't know what you'd want to call it.

00:58:32.000 You had this... I don't want to say a concerted effort, but in some aspects it was.

00:58:36.000 Various elements within Silicon Valley.

00:58:39.000 Many of these people know each other and they work for the same companies and they rotate around.

00:58:42.000 Destroyed their competition.

00:58:44.000 We saw this with with Carl Benjamin on patreon He got banned from patreon Because some activists went and found a year old live stream on an obscure channel where he made a bad racial reference Okay, he goes to join subscribe star which was a competitor to patron to patreon what happens I PayPal and Stripe ban Subscribestar.

00:59:06.000 So what do you do when you do start a new company and then your infrastructure gets ripped out from under you because people with power bully those smaller companies?

00:59:15.000 If we rely on these companies so much, then I think we're in no position to be making demands of them.

00:59:20.000 We need to have a free market.

00:59:22.000 We have a largely regulated market where luckily some elements of the economy are fairly unregulated and we've seen such magnificent success stories like Patreon, like PayPal, which by the way, anything financial is the most highly regulated part of the country.

00:59:38.000 It kills me that we have the financial industry as the most regulated.

00:59:43.000 So that means that if a bank decides to cut you off, they don't want to deal with you.

00:59:47.000 There's very few competitors.

00:59:48.000 Obviously in a free market, it would not be like that.

00:59:50.000 So look, I mean, again, anytime you name a problem, I'll say either the problem is probably being exaggerated or more likely it's a result of government regulation.

00:59:59.000 So we need to solve this.

01:00:01.000 The solution is not more government.

01:00:03.000 When does that ever Solve the problems of the regulatory state.

01:00:07.000 I suppose the issue is that, you know, we'll never meet the end.

01:00:10.000 There will always be some problem.

01:00:12.000 And the issue is, we're trying to reduce the amount of problems all the time, and sometimes our solutions create more problems than we intended.

01:00:19.000 Are we trying to solve all these problems?

01:00:21.000 You're focused on your work.

01:00:23.000 I'm focused on my work.

01:00:24.000 Like, most people should focus on their own lives and look at their options and try their best to manage.

01:00:29.000 I mean, we should not be trying to engineer society.

01:00:32.000 We should be trying to fight for the rights of the individual.

01:00:35.000 And what happens when you have, say, a bridge?

01:00:40.000 Let's say the Brooklyn Bridge, right?

01:00:42.000 You live in Brooklyn, you work in Manhattan.

01:00:44.000 What if one day they said, only one type of people are allowed to use this bridge from now on?

01:00:49.000 Too bad, build your own bridge.

01:00:51.000 Do you build your own bri- Are we talking about a completely free, laissez-faire economy?

01:00:56.000 Society?

01:00:57.000 I suppose, sure.

01:00:58.000 Well, that makes a big difference, obviously.

01:01:00.000 We should not have public roads, we should have privatized roads.

01:01:05.000 I like how that look people give me, like, oh, come on.

01:01:08.000 In a world where we are talking... How many tens of thousands of people are watching this right now?

01:01:12.000 In a world where we have all this technology, nobody can imagine that road makers would be able to come up with roads good enough.

01:01:20.000 We need the government to provide them with us.

01:01:21.000 Alright, question.

01:01:23.000 If a company builds a road, and then another company is like, hey, I want to build a road, and they say, you can't use our road.

01:01:32.000 You can't use our road to transport the materials for your road.

01:01:35.000 We did it.

01:01:35.000 Why don't you do it?

01:01:36.000 They would fi- I mean- That's my private property.

01:01:39.000 You can't drive on my private property to get to that side of the building to build your road.

01:01:42.000 They would have to find another way to get there.

01:01:44.000 There's gotta be some kind of agreement between people for some mutual, like, benefit.

01:01:49.000 Agreement being the key word here, not force.

01:01:52.000 So if you have an irrational road owner who decides to screw people or trying to own the whole system in some way, then they're probably gonna get destroyed by competitors.

01:02:01.000 Business is very difficult.

01:02:02.000 So why isn't that happening with YouTube?

01:02:05.000 Well, first of all, in a sense it is.

01:02:07.000 YouTube, they're constantly worrying about their PR.

01:02:09.000 They don't want to look like a frivolous, reckless website, which is why you're able to appeal strikes, which is why there are competitors as well.

01:02:18.000 I mean, it's not... Listen, you know, I'm not exactly... Me and YouTube have not always seen eye-to-eye, famously, but...

01:02:26.000 It's not as bad as people make it seem.

01:02:28.000 And also, again, we don't live in a completely free society.

01:02:31.000 Imagine if we had a lot more capital pouring into Silicon Valley.

01:02:34.000 Imagine if society was full of people that admired these people rather than vilifying them.

01:02:39.000 So the issue with YouTube is that they've subsid... Google is such a massive company, they've subsidized YouTube.

01:02:46.000 They lose money like crazy on YouTube.

01:02:48.000 But because of the way they've created the system, no one can get a leg up.

01:02:53.000 Other companies have tried and they can't reach that point.

01:02:55.000 By the way, I'm not opposed to the idea that the government is subsidizing Google, if it turns out to be true, but is it true, or is it just that, like everyone else, they live in the subsidy state where they get free stuff?

01:03:06.000 Google controls a good portion of online advertising, over 50%, I believe.

01:03:10.000 That's not a favor from government, though, is it?

01:03:11.000 No, I didn't say it was.

01:03:12.000 Oh, okay, I misheard you.

01:03:14.000 When they have all of this power, Google subsidizes YouTube, that's what I'm saying.

01:03:19.000 How much advertising was going on online in the 1950s?

01:03:23.000 Zero.

01:03:24.000 Obviously.

01:03:25.000 So Google basically took the internet to the next level and now they're being called a monopoly.

01:03:29.000 And so advertising from newspapers and digital is collapsing while skyrocketing and Google is buying up and controlling almost all of it.

01:03:36.000 They then use that ability to make it so that YouTube can pay people out more than anyone else can, making sure that all of the top creators stay on YouTube and YouTube maintains a majority control over the digital space, which maintains their ability to control advertising, which makes it a lot easier for people to buy an ad campaign which can go on YouTube and network websites.

01:03:57.000 If YouTube lost its view share on the internet and it split up to other platforms, then a lot of people would diversify their advertising, their ad buys.

01:04:06.000 But now it's just like Google and Facebook.

01:04:08.000 That's like 95% of all advertising.

01:04:10.000 Which by the way, Google and Facebook, those are two very distinct companies.

01:04:13.000 Absolutely.

01:04:14.000 So it's not like there is a monopoly.

01:04:17.000 Look, I'm opposed to all subsidies, I'm opposed to all regulations, I want crimes punished, and I want disputes arbitrated, but I don't want Google being given any favors, and I don't want them punished for being too successful.

01:04:28.000 So here's the challenge I see with the staunchly... I don't think you call it yourself libertarian or anything like that.

01:04:34.000 No.

01:04:35.000 But the little L libertarianism, you know, going way down into the staunchly freedom-oriented I don't want to say libertarian necessarily because people associate with the political party.

01:04:45.000 The issue is that authoritarians will build massive infrastructure.

01:04:50.000 They will use, you know, for instance, subsidizing YouTube through Google, the parent company, or Alphabet, gives a bunch of its money from its other networks to YouTube to keep it afloat, even though YouTube doesn't generate enough money because bandwidth is very expensive.

01:05:06.000 This dominates the space, then they use that for cultural enforcement.

01:05:09.000 Certain ideas are allowed, and certain ideas are not allowed.

01:05:12.000 Your ideas are being purged right now as we speak, and you're okay with it.

01:05:17.000 Look, I mean, even in the highly regulated state that we live in, and even with all of these very big, powerful news companies, look how successful you've been.

01:05:26.000 I mean, we don't live in a world where, like, power-lusting people are able to just suppress everyone easily.

01:05:31.000 It's just not the case, especially in a- To varying degrees.

01:05:35.000 Well, to varying degrees, I understand, but, like, the best situation for you as an individual, if you want to live a good life, if you want to look at the world and ask, what do I want, and then go out and get it, You want liberty.

01:05:48.000 You need liberty.

01:05:48.000 It's indispensable.

01:05:50.000 You could keep on coming up with all these scenarios.

01:05:53.000 I'm not an economist.

01:05:54.000 I'd love to send you some economists to come on the show that I like and have them address every last point you're making.

01:06:00.000 I'm arguing with hypotheticals right now.

01:06:03.000 I can only say a lot of the mess we're in is because of subsidies, because of regulations, and that's what I'd like to get away from.

01:06:09.000 But let me emphasize again, we need to get back to the view of human nature, the view of man as an individual.

01:06:15.000 Look, this is a great topic.

01:06:17.000 What are we, like three hours into the show now?

01:06:19.000 One hour.

01:06:19.000 That's cool.

01:06:21.000 Why don't we jump over to another topic?

01:06:22.000 Would that be all right with you?

01:06:23.000 I got a gift for you.

01:06:24.000 You have a gift for me?

01:06:25.000 I got a gift.

01:06:25.000 What do you guys, should we talk about China, Bill Maher, or Teen Vogue and getting their ads canceled?

01:06:32.000 What do you think is more interesting?

01:06:33.000 Not China, how about Teen Vogue?

01:06:35.000 Teen Vogue?

01:06:36.000 Yeah.

01:06:36.000 All right, let's talk about Teen Vogue.

01:06:38.000 Well, yeah, we'll talk about Teen Vogue because this is...

01:06:42.000 I'm optimistic.

01:06:42.000 This story makes me a little bit optimistic, right?

01:06:44.000 So, this is from The Independent.

01:06:46.000 I did cover this on my other channel a couple days ago, but it seems we have some developments.

01:06:50.000 Teen Vogue advertisers pull out over editors' controversial past tweets.

01:06:55.000 Major advertiser suspends campaign on the same day incoming editor apologizes for perpetuating stereotypes of Asian and LGBTQ people in a series of tweets from 2011.

01:07:06.000 That's 10 years ago.

01:07:07.000 I mean, I get it.

01:07:09.000 It was offensive 10 years ago.

01:07:11.000 It's offensive today.

01:07:13.000 But I think she was like 17, this woman.

01:07:15.000 So I'll just give you the gist of it.

01:07:17.000 I don't need to, you know, go through all... I know for the most part the story.

01:07:20.000 This lady is Alexi McCammon.

01:07:21.000 She worked for Axios, I believe.

01:07:24.000 And I think she's an unethical reporter because she was dating the guy from the Biden administration when she was supposed to be covering. 1.00

01:07:28.000 Oh, that was her.

01:07:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:30.000 That's very, very unethical.

01:07:31.000 Well, she made some offensive tweets 10 years ago.

01:07:34.000 Now you have this letter.

01:07:36.000 First of all, let me put it this way.

01:07:37.000 She got rewarded.

01:07:39.000 She was violating journalistic ethics, sleeping with the guy from the Biden administration, claiming she wasn't writing for him and apparently she was still writing for him, or at least in some way facilitating these stories.

01:07:47.000 Very unethical journalism.

01:07:49.000 She gets rewarded.

01:07:50.000 How would you like to be editor-in-chief of ultra-woke Teen Vogue for some reason praising Karl Marx?

01:07:54.000 It's supposed to be a fashion magazine, but they write praise of Karl Marx, sure.

01:07:58.000 They reward her for this.

01:08:00.000 Well, then around 20 or so employees wrote this letter saying she is an offensive, racist, bigot, and all that stuff, and this was a terrible choice, and she shouldn't be hired. 0.97

01:08:09.000 And I'm sitting here thinking, like, dude, come on.

01:08:11.000 Ten-year-old posts you're not gonna hire?

01:08:13.000 That's insane.

01:08:15.000 Now, it's backfiring on these employees.

01:08:18.000 Well, it's backfiring on the company.

01:08:20.000 The company is now losing a seven-figure advertiser because the employees complained about the hire.

01:08:26.000 So the employees effectively got their own company cancelled.

01:08:29.000 I think it's the fault of the people who run the company, because they hire these rage-bait writers.

01:08:34.000 Who purposefully inflame racial tensions and, you know, gender tensions and all these things to make money.

01:08:40.000 They use these people to write anger rage bait so that they get clicks and can make money from it.

01:08:45.000 And eventually you hire so many, it reaches critical mass and then they start complaining about your own company and you lose your seven figure advertiser.

01:08:52.000 So this is more in like the area of cultural enforcement and the backfiring.

01:08:56.000 And I'll put it this way.

01:08:58.000 This makes me optimistic.

01:08:59.000 Because if they're cancelling themselves now because there's nothing left to cancel, then what do they do?

01:09:04.000 It's like an Ouroboros.

01:09:05.000 They eat their own tail and then... Well, the people that want to cancel, they don't care if Teen Vogue survives or not.

01:09:10.000 They just want to see Bernie or something.

01:09:11.000 Maybe Teen Vogue will say F you and just keep doing things their way and other companies as well. 0.99

01:09:16.000 So isn't that nice when companies look out for themselves rather than the so-called public good?

01:09:20.000 Because right now, the so-called public good is critical.

01:09:22.000 It's not good.

01:09:23.000 Right.

01:09:23.000 Yeah.

01:09:23.000 Right.

01:09:24.000 Well, no, but that means these employees are going to lose their jobs.

01:09:26.000 Yeah, well, you know, a lot of people don't really feel bad for them, but... Maybe they can build solar panels.

01:09:32.000 But listen, I mean, this speaks to the power of philosophy.

01:09:34.000 You know, all these people out there arguing, you know, what drives people?

01:09:37.000 What drives people?

01:09:38.000 I mean, what people believe to be right is largely what they do.

01:09:42.000 They think this is the ethical thing to do, and they do it.

01:09:44.000 So, I mean, you look at these cancel mob, they were not born this way, as Lady Gaga once put it.

01:09:50.000 She was not born...

01:09:52.000 Like that.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, she was not born like that, wearing that.

01:09:55.000 Trust me on that.

01:09:56.000 It was my favorite joke from 2010.

01:09:57.000 Offensive.

01:10:00.000 I mean, you know, again, these people all went to school, or they were influenced by artists who went to school, or they were influenced by parents who went to school.

01:10:08.000 Like, these people all were taught, yeah, critical race theory, postmodernism.

01:10:12.000 We can't communicate!

01:10:14.000 We just can't understand each other, man!

01:10:16.000 You're Korean! 0.87

01:10:17.000 I'm black!

01:10:18.000 We are just living in different realities, man.

01:10:20.000 I mean, people unironically believe that two individuals of different races or genders or sexual proclivities cannot communicate.

01:10:28.000 By the way, chat room, I know you hate me, but see?

01:10:30.000 I can punch left a little bit. 0.96

01:10:32.000 I can throw you some red meat.

01:10:34.000 Guys, we're on the same team.

01:10:35.000 I've worked so hard to provide you with quality entertainment.

01:10:38.000 God forbid I try to help you out once in a while with some red pills.

01:10:43.000 Am I right?

01:10:44.000 Where do you think this cultural enforcement ends up going?

01:10:46.000 Like the wokeness, the cancel culture?

01:10:48.000 I mean, uh, maybe at a sort of, uh, surface level, we'll see sort of a pendulum swing, you know?

01:10:54.000 Kind of like, there was, like, kind of, in the 90s, you had a lot of, like you said, George Carlin, like, a lot of, like, offensive entertainment.

01:11:01.000 Obviously, that's where I was influenced growing up.

01:11:02.000 Maybe you were a fan as well.

01:11:04.000 I mean, yeah.

01:11:05.000 Definitely.

01:11:05.000 Punk rock, rap, and being, being a badass was cool.

01:11:09.000 Like, that was, or it was a thing to be.

01:11:12.000 Not everyone liked it, but it was... It's like, you don't want to be the parents from Footloose.

01:11:16.000 You wanted to be the, you know, screw you, I'm gonna go dance, you know, you can't tell me what to do. 0.99

01:11:20.000 I mean, there were conservatives back then, and they were not into that stuff, and there were liberals, you know, there were leftists who said, no, they were pushing for political correctness back then, but there was a big element of the, a part of the culture that was saying, ah, this is all crap. 0.99

01:11:33.000 And I think we're gonna see more of that. 0.96

01:11:35.000 I think, you know, I live in Hollywood.

01:11:37.000 There are a lot of people, they never signed up for any of this.

01:11:40.000 You know, this whole, like, you know, call me bi, don't misgender me, right?

01:11:44.000 A lot of powerful, rich people in Hollywood, they never signed up for this, to have somebody half their age telling them, don't misgender me.

01:11:52.000 They're giving away a ton of power.

01:11:54.000 I mean, you could be, imagine you're a 50-year-old dude, an executive in Hollywood, and you're worth millions of dollars, and you got to this point where you worked really hard, you're making movies, you're doing great, you got an infinity pool, and then all of a sudden, some 19-year-old, who doesn't even have a job, is still in college, Costs you 30 million dollars because you're about to do this big movie production and you accidentally, you know, they found a tweet from you from 10 years ago.

01:12:20.000 Or look at that NASCAR driver.

01:12:22.000 A NASCAR driver lost a sponsor because his dad said the N-word in the 80s.

01:12:28.000 But more importantly, like, that's the craziness of it.

01:12:30.000 Imagine you're this high-powered, you know, man or woman, and you're like, I finally did it. 0.99

01:12:35.000 I got my condom, I'm in Hollywood, and then just some dumb kid calls you a racist and you get fired. 0.97

01:12:41.000 Yeah, I'm willing to bet a lot of these people are gonna start being like, nah, you know. 0.99

01:12:46.000 Yeah, but even so, like, what's the alternative, you know?

01:12:48.000 Where are they gonna turn to next?

01:12:50.000 And people need a positive that they're driven towards.

01:12:53.000 It's not just enough to say the left is crazy, the left is bad, anything is better than the left.

01:12:57.000 Anything is not better than anything.

01:13:00.000 Only the right, there's the right answer.

01:13:01.000 There's accurately looking at the world and being rational.

01:13:05.000 That is what I'm about.

01:13:07.000 By the way, can I give you a gift?

01:13:09.000 Depends on what the gift is.

01:13:10.000 You're gonna like it.

01:13:11.000 I'm not being, I'm not tricking you.

01:13:13.000 I think you're gonna like this.

01:13:14.000 Okay. Can I give him a gift?

01:13:15.000 Oh yeah. All right.

01:13:16.000 And can I ask you at watching at home, may I give him a gift?

01:13:19.000 We wanna know what you think. 0.99

01:13:20.000 If you say no, then screw him. 0.98

01:13:22.000 He's not getting nothing. 0.96

01:13:24.000 I don't know if they're saying anything.

01:13:27.000 They're arguing.

01:13:28.000 Oh, are they?

01:13:29.000 Imagine that.

01:13:30.000 They're agreeing and disagreeing.

01:13:31.000 Oh, it's a birthday present.

01:13:32.000 If one person watching agrees with me, then I've done the impossible.

01:13:38.000 Listen, I know we've had our differences, a lot of you watching.

01:13:41.000 I hope we can all agree at the end of the day on what it is that this gift represents.

01:13:46.000 I think you're going to like it as well.

01:13:47.000 Go ahead.

01:13:48.000 Is it going to get me in trouble?

01:13:49.000 No.

01:13:50.000 Rucka got me a birthday present.

01:13:51.000 You know it's my birthday.

01:13:53.000 Of course I knew it was your birthday.

01:13:56.000 Is this just a bunch of wrapping paper?

01:13:59.000 That would be a lot of work into a mildly funny joke.

01:14:02.000 A mildly funny joke?

01:14:05.000 I mean just getting you to unwrap a bunch of stuff and then we got like nothing left.

01:14:08.000 It's a calendar?

01:14:10.000 What is this?

01:14:11.000 It's better than a calendar, but it is something you can enjoy 365 days a year.

01:14:16.000 Why did you get me this?

01:14:17.000 Oh my gosh, what is it?

01:14:18.000 I'm scared.

01:14:20.000 This is not for me, this is for somebody else.

01:14:25.000 Let's find out.

01:14:26.000 I can see what it is.

01:14:28.000 You actually got me this.

01:14:30.000 And you brought it.

01:14:31.000 It's a picture of Carl Benjamin.

01:14:33.000 It's more than that.

01:14:35.000 It's more than that.

01:14:36.000 Get the cardboard out of there.

01:14:38.000 Get the cardboard out of there.

01:14:39.000 Or cut it off, yeah.

01:14:40.000 Get out one of your weapons.

01:14:42.000 Show us what it can do.

01:14:43.000 I don't have any weapons up here.

01:14:44.000 I don't have any knives up here, yeah.

01:14:46.000 Can't open a piece of tape with a gun.

01:14:48.000 This is a beautiful moment.

01:14:50.000 I've never been so... Here.

01:14:52.000 I wonder if Carl's watching and he's going to be like, what is this?

01:14:57.000 This is an amazing moment.

01:15:00.000 Oh, no.

01:15:00.000 I don't want to ruin it.

01:15:01.000 It's got tape on it.

01:15:02.000 I think it's like three in the morning there, so I don't think he's watching.

01:15:05.000 Oh, he's watching.

01:15:06.000 Here, let's see it.

01:15:08.000 Oh, look at that.

01:15:09.000 It's beautiful.

01:15:10.000 It's Carl Benjamin and there's something else in here or what?

01:15:13.000 There's something else in there.

01:15:15.000 Yeah, just rip it open.

01:15:16.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

01:15:16.000 Is this going to get me in trouble? 0.99

01:15:18.000 I mean, not with me.

01:15:19.000 That I can tell you.

01:15:23.000 Alright, I am opening it.

01:15:25.000 Why Carl Benjamin?

01:15:27.000 I don't know who this Carl Benjamin is.

01:15:29.000 Sargon? 0.86

01:15:30.000 Now be careful with the opening crevice.

01:15:32.000 this is this is this a vinyl vinyl is this this is oh Oh, sweet!

01:15:42.000 A vinyl record of the, uh... I don't know.

01:15:45.000 I can't play this.

01:15:46.000 We have to get a record player.

01:15:47.000 I appreciate that.

01:15:48.000 This is really cool.

01:15:48.000 Is this, uh... So what is this?

01:15:49.000 It's a vinyl record.

01:15:50.000 Is this the one song on the back from your Sargon song?

01:15:54.000 It's got the Sargon song that you could never get enough of.

01:15:57.000 That's right.

01:15:58.000 It's got... I was with you guys in the UK when you were singing it.

01:16:01.000 That's right.

01:16:01.000 Almost the top viewed Sargon-related video on YouTube.

01:16:04.000 There's, like, one more that's beating us.

01:16:06.000 It's, like, the ones of Sargon. 0.97

01:16:08.000 Roasting some innocent, beautiful feminists in my... 1.00

01:16:11.000 That's right. 0.95

01:16:11.000 What's on this side? 0.95

01:16:12.000 There's two different songs?

01:16:13.000 We got some live versions, me and Sargon singing it together in England.

01:16:17.000 We got the one, me, Sargon, and an orchestra.

01:16:20.000 We got Sargon, Sargon live, featuring Sargon, and Sargon with an orchestra.

01:16:25.000 It's beautiful.

01:16:26.000 Beautiful gift.

01:16:27.000 So for those that may not be familiar, Carl Benjamin hosts the Lotus Eaters podcast.

01:16:32.000 We've referenced him every so often here.

01:16:35.000 And he's one of the OG Gamergate people, I guess?

01:16:39.000 Yeah.

01:16:39.000 Is that fair to say?

01:16:41.000 I guess.

01:16:41.000 I don't really know what GamerGate is, really.

01:16:43.000 Me neither.

01:16:44.000 But he was an anti-identitarian, like, you know, anti-SJW back in the day.

01:16:48.000 Now he hosts a much more professional, I'm trying to be very respectful, in fact, complimentary.

01:16:54.000 His new show, The Lotus Eaters Podcast, actually, he's doing, like, really, really well in the UK, I suppose.

01:16:58.000 And this is because Rukka wrote a song about the origins of Carl Benjamin, aka Sargon of Akkad.

01:17:06.000 So thank you for this gift.

01:17:08.000 It's your vinyl.

01:17:09.000 I've been... I'll put it on the wall.

01:17:10.000 Yeah.

01:17:11.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:17:12.000 You know, even if you don't have a vinyl player, you can listen to it.

01:17:15.000 Gotta get one now.

01:17:15.000 Adam's got one.

01:17:16.000 Oh, he does?

01:17:17.000 Pop it on later.

01:17:18.000 We'll have to... We should also get one.

01:17:19.000 By the way, I've been kind of mean to you, and I want to make it up to you.

01:17:23.000 Oh, that's nice of you.

01:17:23.000 Here's a gift for you.

01:17:24.000 Oh, thank you.

01:17:24.000 Oh, wow.

01:17:25.000 Interesting.

01:17:25.000 He's getting everybody gifts?

01:17:26.000 Well, not everyone.

01:17:27.000 Where's mine?

01:17:28.000 It's not my birthday.

01:17:28.000 Just Ian.

01:17:29.000 Ian's opening a gift now.

01:17:30.000 So we went from this very intense political discussion about... At the end of the day, all we have is the music.

01:17:35.000 We're having a party.

01:17:36.000 Yeah.

01:17:37.000 Is that a CD?

01:17:38.000 It is a CD.

01:17:39.000 It's going to be a Sargon CD, isn't it? 0.96

01:17:41.000 It better be.

01:17:42.000 I'll be disappointed if it's not.

01:17:43.000 It's a CD of Sargon.

01:17:45.000 Yes!

01:17:46.000 I love it.

01:17:48.000 Sargon Live.

01:17:49.000 Look at us promoting Sargon Live featuring Orchestra.

01:17:52.000 That's clever.

01:17:52.000 Well, it's really promoting me more than him.

01:17:54.000 These are my CDs and vinyls that I'm selling now.

01:17:57.000 Oh, right on.

01:17:58.000 So you're saying you already have them and you're pretending like it was a birthday present.

01:18:01.000 I mean, they're... I don't have them.

01:18:02.000 Because you found out at the last minute it was my birthday, so you pretended to go... I bought these for you.

01:18:06.000 Sure you did.

01:18:07.000 Earlier today, because he was here, he's like, I'm gonna go for a walk real quick.

01:18:11.000 I'll be right back.

01:18:13.000 And then he's like, oh, I got you a present, by the way.

01:18:15.000 Yeah, I went to the local record shop and bought this for you.

01:18:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:19.000 No, these are, yeah, these are, no, I got them from ruckusworld.com.

01:18:21.000 They're part of my catalog.

01:18:23.000 Very cool.

01:18:23.000 Thank you so much.

01:18:24.000 I hope you enjoy them.

01:18:25.000 I appreciate it.

01:18:25.000 It's cool.

01:18:26.000 I hope you enjoy them.

01:18:26.000 Every Christmas, you know.

01:18:27.000 I gotta get, I want to get Carl to come out and come on the show, but COVID restrictions and all that, I'd love to have him.

01:18:32.000 Go show him your Sargon vinyl.

01:18:33.000 I'm sure he'll be happy.

01:18:34.000 With this now, he has no choice but to come on the show.

01:18:36.000 He has to.

01:18:37.000 And then he'll autograph it and, you know, he'll put it on the wall and it'll be... I should autograph it, honestly.

01:18:41.000 Not even him.

01:18:42.000 Not even him.

01:18:43.000 We don't care about him.

01:18:44.000 Just you, Rucka.

01:18:45.000 What does he even have to do with it?

01:18:47.000 Look, how beautiful is this?

01:18:48.000 Yeah.

01:18:49.000 I'm very happy with it.

01:18:50.000 We're very happy with it.

01:18:51.000 We're very happy with it.

01:18:52.000 I like that.

01:18:53.000 I listen to that song.

01:18:54.000 Cool.

01:18:54.000 Yeah.

01:18:54.000 What were we talking about?

01:18:56.000 What were we talking about?

01:18:57.000 We're talking about... Teen Vogue.

01:18:58.000 Teen Vogue firing somebody?

01:18:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:01.000 But I don't know.

01:19:02.000 Are we done with that?

01:19:02.000 Should we talk about something else?

01:19:03.000 Mildly derailed, I think.

01:19:04.000 Yeah, because all of a sudden, you know, Rucka's like, I got you a present.

01:19:06.000 And I was like, I'd like to know what that present is.

01:19:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:10.000 Well, we had that story.

01:19:11.000 Other than that, there's like, you know, Bill Maher and China stuff.

01:19:15.000 I don't know if you care a lot about that.

01:19:17.000 I feel like we just got done arguing about China, but let's hear what Bill Maher has to say.

01:19:22.000 No, I'm not super interested.

01:19:24.000 Actually, okay, well, a little bit about the Bill Maher stuff.

01:19:27.000 Look.

01:19:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:28.000 Bill Maher said that the U.S.

01:19:30.000 lost to China too focused on woke competition and lizard people.

01:19:35.000 I've talked quite a bit about the Bill Maher stuff.

01:19:37.000 Basically, he's saying, you know, Dr. Seuss had this book removed because of this depiction of a Chinese man eating with chopsticks, and he says, you know who doesn't care about this?

01:19:46.000 China.

01:19:47.000 All 1.4 billion could give a Crouching Tiger Flying F about Dr. Seuss's book.

01:19:53.000 They're building infrastructure.

01:19:54.000 They're building coal power plants.

01:19:56.000 They're growing rapidly.

01:19:57.000 So I always have this question for a lot of the more Liberty or I don't the right word is but Capitalistic individuals and less government.

01:20:07.000 How do you provide for the common defense?

01:20:08.000 And I'm not I'm not saying you don't I'm asking you quite literally like I mean, I don't I think you're right I don't the the common man doesn't need defense.

01:20:15.000 The common man needs Liberty and Bill Maher.

01:20:17.000 He was a leftist then. He was a leftist when everyone disagreed with him and

01:20:20.000 he's a leftist when some people now agree with him. He does not believe in

01:20:24.000 capitalism. He's always mocked the idea of capitalism working. Back when

01:20:28.000 people on the right pretended to be for capitalism, Bill Maher was public enemy

01:20:32.000 number one because he said things that, you know, a child thinks about capitalism

01:20:36.000 and here he is saying the same thing he's always said that capitalism screws the

01:20:40.000 little guy and you know the difference is now Republicans and people on the

01:20:45.000 right are crazy about People hate me.

01:20:47.000 Everyone doesn't want to hear about it.

01:20:49.000 But you know, the truth is the truth.

01:20:52.000 Well, so look, China's growing rapidly.

01:20:53.000 Yeah.

01:20:54.000 They've got oil exploration in Africa and South America.

01:20:57.000 Yeah.

01:20:58.000 Are you familiar with the concept of Thucydides trap?

01:21:00.000 No.

01:21:01.000 I was like beating a dead horse for me to say it because I say it all the time on the show.

01:21:04.000 But it's a general idea that when a rising power is about to displace an economic superpower, war breaks out.

01:21:11.000 So what in your view would this world or this country be like if we did not have the common defense?

01:21:19.000 Would it just be like individuals who are armed guarding their private property and saying... No, so I do believe in police and military.

01:21:26.000 I'm not saying we should abolish though.

01:21:28.000 I'm not an anarchist.

01:21:29.000 That's the thing.

01:21:30.000 Anarchists, they're like a Dr. Seuss bastardization of Ayn Rand's philosophy, objectivism, which I am.

01:21:39.000 I'm an objectivist.

01:21:40.000 Anarchists, uh, they don't really have an answer. 0.95

01:21:43.000 Right, now that I- there's one group of people I haven't pissed off yet, now I've got them all on my back.

01:21:48.000 Alright, now that everybody's angry.

01:21:49.000 Now that everybody hates me.

01:21:51.000 In the event that, uh, you know, war breaks out, what do we do?

01:21:54.000 Like, it- What do you mean war breaks out?

01:21:58.000 War breaks out, they fire at us, they're dead.

01:22:00.000 They'll know that when I'm in charge, believe me, it'll be very clear.

01:22:03.000 But do you think that there's like a very strong free market and then taxation would fund military for common defense?

01:22:10.000 Well, much more.

01:22:12.000 The amount of prosperity we would see in a free market would be just so...

01:22:17.000 We're just so high, the average person would have change in his couch.

01:22:20.000 There's a dated reference for you.

01:22:21.000 Change in his couch.

01:22:22.000 Something Zoomers have never seen in their life. 1.00

01:22:24.000 Change that they find in the couch.

01:22:26.000 Yeah, those were the days, huh?

01:22:27.000 I mean, in a prosperous society.

01:22:28.000 You're hungry and you like flip the cushions over?

01:22:29.000 Okay, look out.

01:22:30.000 We have a volunteer military right now, right?

01:22:33.000 Like, who the hell wants to go to the military, right?

01:22:36.000 We're busy, right?

01:22:37.000 But still, in a free country where People have that option.

01:22:41.000 You see enough people are passionate about defending America that they're willing to sign up for the military, right?

01:22:48.000 And they get paid for it.

01:22:50.000 In a free society, I think you would see a lot of people voluntarily funding the military.

01:22:55.000 I mean, it would be bizarre to think that, you know, let's say Donald Trump.

01:22:59.000 See, let me say something nice about Trump.

01:23:01.000 Old Donald Trump, you know, apprentice Donald Trump, doing all these charity events, Donald Trump.

01:23:05.000 We're gonna have a concert.

01:23:07.000 Lil Jon and Sugar Ray, Mark McGrath, Sugar Ray, we're gonna have a- I never tried doing a Trump impression before, by the way, so I know it's coming off a little bit cringey, as the kids would put it.

01:23:18.000 But I mean, he would have a concert, you know, where Mark McGrath plays it.

01:23:22.000 Every morning there's a halo.

01:23:24.000 Oh, there goes your monetization.

01:23:26.000 No, that's fine.

01:23:27.000 Yeah, that sounds nothing like him.

01:23:30.000 You know, and people would buy tickets, and a lot of the proceeds would go to funding the military.

01:23:34.000 That's an example of a fun way to raise money for the military.

01:23:37.000 But other than that, it would just be wealthy, successful people that love America, that want to defend it for selfish reasons.

01:23:43.000 Would fund the military, so... But half as many of that?

01:23:47.000 I think most people would not do it.

01:23:49.000 I think maybe conservatives who are like, you know... I think you're wrong, but even if 10%, even in today's world, in today's largely regulated world, America, which is a fraction of the level of prosperity it could be, you would have, even if today's top 10%, who I keep hearing about, today's 10% have all the money, 1% have all the money, that 1% could fund the military, right?

01:24:11.000 So like... But would they?

01:24:13.000 They could, and if the alternative is having a weak country that gets invaded by all types of crazy Asians, then obviously they would do it. 1.00

01:24:20.000 But I mean, again, remember, we live in the age of pragmatism, where most people are not thinking that long-term. 0.69

01:24:26.000 To them, everything's short-term, and how do I feel right now?

01:24:29.000 So we need people that treat their life the way they treat their business.

01:24:32.000 They're looking at the next 10 years, they're looking at the next 50 years.

01:24:37.000 You know that proverb?

01:24:37.000 A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit beneath.

01:24:42.000 That's beautiful.

01:24:43.000 And what does that mean?

01:24:44.000 Let's talk about this.

01:24:45.000 I like this.

01:24:47.000 Why do old men plant a tree they will never get to sit beneath? 1.00

01:24:49.000 So that the children who come after them will have shade to sit under.

01:24:52.000 Yes, and also, why do they care about children after they're dead?

01:24:57.000 I don't know why.

01:24:58.000 Because while they're alive, they love life.

01:25:00.000 They love being alive.

01:25:01.000 They love many people that they know.

01:25:04.000 They love seeing children, learn to walk and sit under trees.

01:25:08.000 They love life.

01:25:08.000 They love their animals.

01:25:10.000 They love their plants.

01:25:12.000 They're passionate about life and all these things.

01:25:15.000 To them, the idea of just planting a tree means, at that moment, their life had value.

01:25:21.000 They are pursuing their own value.

01:25:22.000 They love what that planting represents.

01:25:25.000 And they get to lay in their deathbed, and maybe even be reminded of that little tree, and die with a smile on their face.

01:25:32.000 So it's their personal values.

01:25:34.000 It's not altruism.

01:25:35.000 It's not, oh, I'm just gonna sacrifice this thyme and this seed and plant it even though I'll get nothing out of it.

01:25:41.000 That's just such an ugly thing to strive for.

01:25:44.000 It's selfish, but in a rational way, in a beautiful way.

01:25:47.000 I'm not one who would favor a command economy, quite the opposite.

01:25:51.000 But I also think not literally the opposite end of the spectrum, which would be an unplanned competitive market where you don't know if you're going to have the budget you need to defend yourself from an attack from an adversary like China.

01:26:03.000 I think there's got to be some planning.

01:26:04.000 And if there's some planning, we have to have some budgeting.

01:26:07.000 So that means taxes.

01:26:09.000 Again, I believe in having a military.

01:26:12.000 It should be the government doing it, not Bill Gates, not Steve Jobs.

01:26:15.000 Maybe some of the technology those guys come up with should be licensed by the government.

01:26:20.000 I'm not a legal philosopher.

01:26:22.000 Believe it or not, I may drop out, but I'm saying the government should have a military.

01:26:29.000 They should be able to figure out what is the budget, and then is the society willing to pay for that budget?

01:26:35.000 And then if the answer is no, which I don't think it would be, but if the answer is no, then that country has a problem on its hand.

01:26:42.000 It's true.

01:26:44.000 By the way, you would fund the military.

01:26:46.000 I would not.

01:26:47.000 Well, not today's military with all their BS, but in a rational society, if you knew the military's job was explicit and clear and limited, and I was in charge of it, you trust, you know, I'm a good general, right?

01:26:57.000 You know, you've seen me talk about the rights of the individual and the American philosophy of its founding and all these things and you

01:27:05.000 know that the president agrees with that too and and I'm his general and we're

01:27:09.000 going out to deal with Chinese forces that are violating the rights of Americans 0.93

01:27:14.000 you would have some money to volunteer. I think you've made a really good point.

01:27:19.000 If people were not willing to fund the military then we do have a problem.

01:27:24.000 And the only reason we're able to engage in a lot of trash wars that seem to fail in the Middle East is because people are forced to fund the military.

01:27:31.000 And so I wonder if that, regardless of whether or not you're forced to pay for it or you wouldn't choose to pay for it, shows a larger problem breaking, a larger break in this country in general.

01:27:41.000 Not only that people are forced to To pay taxes, but also, again, people, they don't hold dear the rights of the individual.

01:27:49.000 They don't see their own life as their standard of value.

01:27:52.000 They don't see their own life as something to die protecting.

01:27:56.000 How do you feel about conscription?

01:27:58.000 Against it.

01:27:58.000 But the Founding Fathers were for it.

01:28:00.000 They were wrong.

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 How about that?

01:28:02.000 Yeah.

01:28:02.000 How about that, bro?

01:28:03.000 Good point.

01:28:04.000 So how do you feel about the Second Amendment?

01:28:06.000 I think I'm for it, but it's not, this is gonna, okay, now if anyone doesn't hate me yet, I'm gonna piss them off and say, in my opinion, in my, not everyone agrees with me, in my opinion, the right to bear arms is not as fundamental as the right to property and the right to speech.

01:28:21.000 What I mean is, your property as a billionaire, your right as a billionaire to own your big, crappy Silicon Valley company, is more sink or sank to me than the right to own a gun.

01:28:36.000 I know.

01:28:37.000 I hate to pick which one is more important.

01:28:39.000 Man, I'm the opposite.

01:28:40.000 Right, that's the problem.

01:28:41.000 I think you're right to own a gun.

01:28:42.000 Without the right to property, without the right to own what you've produced.

01:28:46.000 How do you protect what you've produced if you can't have weapons?

01:28:51.000 The question first is, do you have an inalienable right to that property?

01:28:54.000 Yes.

01:28:54.000 And if you say yes, and from my cold, dead hands, take this property, then we can talk about, okay, well, is individual civilians owning guns A meaningful, effective way to protect property rights?

01:29:06.000 And maybe the answer is yes?

01:29:07.000 In which case, I'm for it.

01:29:09.000 But it's derivative.

01:29:10.000 First comes property rights.

01:29:11.000 See what I'm saying?

01:29:12.000 Well, I agree.

01:29:12.000 I agree.

01:29:13.000 Because the gun is property as well.

01:29:14.000 If you have no right to property, how would you- Well, but it's- But it is conceivable, and you're gonna hate me for this, but it is conceivable that weapons- Some weapons are not a right to own, because they cause more destruction than- And some companies cause massive destruction, like the Cuyahoga River, which was mass polluted and then burst into flames.

01:29:30.000 So I think you'd agree that we could regulate these companies?

01:29:32.000 Well, if the rivers were privately owned, then the owner of that river would be able to file a lawsuit and retire very young.

01:29:38.000 And if the roads were privately owned, I could carry a weapon on my own private property?

01:29:42.000 Depending, again, on how the legal philosophers determine what it is that the individual needs in order to live a rational life in a free society.

01:29:54.000 What if people are speeding down my road dangerously and they're violating my rights?

01:29:58.000 Should I take a gun and try and stop them?

01:30:00.000 I think you set the speed limit, but look, this is very advanced legal philosophy.

01:30:04.000 So I'm, look, you know, you're saying that a gun isn't the same level of, there may be some guns you should not have for a variety of reasons because they can cause more damage.

01:30:14.000 I think massive companies cause massive damage.

01:30:17.000 Listen, those are two very different types of questions.

01:30:21.000 Should an individual be able to own an Uzi?

01:30:23.000 Like the Bhopal disaster that, you know, kills hundreds of thousands of people versus someone with a gun who might kill dozens?

01:30:28.000 Listen, the right to kill somebody is not yours, unless it's self-defense, right?

01:30:34.000 But polluting someone else's property is always wrong, no matter what.

01:30:38.000 There's no such thing as polluting someone else's river in self-defense.

01:30:41.000 I'm trying to find that distinction between some guns can be very dangerous, so you can't have them, versus some companies can be very dangerous, but you can still have them.

01:30:48.000 In what way are companies dangerous?

01:30:50.000 So, like, if you have, say, a semi-auto .50 BMG, anti-material rifle, you're not intending to use it.

01:30:58.000 You shouldn't be to harm another person who is innocent.

01:31:01.000 You're using it to protect yourself, your property, from, you know, helicopters and tanks that might violate your property.

01:31:07.000 For the most part, we agree in the United States, you can defend yourself from lethal harm, reasonable fear, if, like, you know, if somebody is threatening you, you have a way to defend yourself.

01:31:16.000 And it's typically if you think they're going to kill you, right?

01:31:20.000 So, it is wrong to take a gun and use it for the purpose of intentionally inflicting death upon someone who is not threatening you in any way or, you know, coming at you, right?

01:31:29.000 Right.

01:31:30.000 So that would be a violation to use that weapon that was too dangerous in a dangerous way.

01:31:33.000 Okay.

01:31:33.000 Well, the intended purpose of, say, a chemical processing plant is to provide petrochemicals to individuals like cleaning solutions and fuels.

01:31:40.000 It is not the intended purpose to blow up and poison hundreds of thousands of people.

01:31:44.000 But it can, as a 50 BMG semi-auto can be used to kill innocent people.

01:31:48.000 So which one do we regulate or do we regulate none of them?

01:31:52.000 Well, regulation is different than making things illegal that are too dangerous.

01:31:58.000 So I don't know exactly what should be legal when it comes to what's too dangerous for people to have.

01:32:04.000 Obviously, a private company cannot build their own atom bomb and then hold it over a neighboring city and say, well, it's my property.

01:32:11.000 No, I mean, you need to look at what is the type of society where an individual, again, can look at the world, Choose his rational values and pursue them without anyone else impeding on them.

01:32:21.000 And I don't think there's any... I think you need guns.

01:32:25.000 Okay, fine.

01:32:26.000 But my point is, and I didn't need to pick this battle, pardon the pun, because I could have just said, yeah, you have the right to bear arms, and everyone in the chat room would stop hating me, and I would get to throw some red meat to all of the Second Amendment people.

01:32:40.000 But I just want to be philosophical about this and say the right to bear arms is derivative.

01:32:44.000 First comes the right to property.

01:32:46.000 And the reason you have a right to own property is because in order to live, you need to produce.

01:32:50.000 And you have the right to speak because speech is an expression of thought.

01:32:54.000 So, I agree with the property part.

01:32:58.000 And look, I understand your opinions.

01:33:01.000 I'm not saying they're wrong.

01:33:02.000 I have opinions, you have opinions.

01:33:04.000 I just think that it is derivative.

01:33:06.000 The right to own property comes first.

01:33:08.000 And I think bearing arms is more fundamental to the individual than the billionaire individual or the corporation.

01:33:15.000 So I'll clarify.

01:33:16.000 If you're somebody who works, you know, breaks your back every day, you know, farming and raising chickens or whatever, there are bad people who will steal.

01:33:23.000 I mean, this is a thing that exists.

01:33:25.000 There are also animals that don't consider it theft.

01:33:29.000 It's scavenging and opportunism.

01:33:31.000 The right to bear arms can protect you from those animals who would strip away what you've produced, but also criminal individuals who would as well.

01:33:37.000 So we can even remove the bad thieves from the equation and say, all right, what about a fox and a coyote come on your property?

01:33:44.000 Can you protect yourself and your chickens from that coyote?

01:33:46.000 Well, you'll need a gun or at least some kind of weapon.

01:33:49.000 And I don't think you're going to be going up against coyotes with a machete.

01:33:51.000 I think you'd be hard pressed to find a free market person who is opposed to, you know, Either bearing arms or certainly companies protecting

01:34:01.000 themselves from wild animals.

01:34:02.000 I think the controversy comes up when it comes to big weapons and many, many weapons.

01:34:08.000 So I mean, if the standard is we need a society where the individual is able to pursue the

01:34:16.000 life that he wants without being interrupted by outside people, then again, speech and

01:34:21.000 property are the fundamentals.

01:34:22.000 And then the right to protect your property and person with a gun.

01:34:27.000 It's reasonable.

01:34:28.000 See, again, I could have let this one go easy, but I wanted to be a little, you know, a bit 0.96

01:34:33.000 of a hard ass just to clarify that. 0.86

01:34:35.000 And then I think, just to kind of cap off this conversation, when it comes to corporation versus corporation or individual, just legal lawsuits, civil courts and stuff is, I think, reasonable. 0.97

01:34:43.000 Anybody would agree with, right?

01:34:45.000 Can you repeat that?

01:34:46.000 If, like, a corporation was, say, polluting a river and that was affecting a farmer who was, like, a small farmer, he would file a lawsuit.

01:34:53.000 Yeah, but the river, by the way, would not be publicly owned.

01:34:56.000 The river owner would be able to sue much quicker than the farmer.

01:35:00.000 How does one person own an entire river?

01:35:01.000 Would it be a corporation that owns it?

01:35:03.000 Either that, yeah.

01:35:04.000 Usually, I think.

01:35:05.000 Look, I mean, it's hard for me to tell you how it would work, but I mean, back when property was mostly... Corporations were a new thing.

01:35:12.000 Wasn't the Brooklyn Bridge like the first corporation?

01:35:14.000 Corporations existed in the times of the founders.

01:35:14.000 No.

01:35:17.000 It was an American innovation, I believe.

01:35:19.000 I just read about this in a journal called The Objective Standard.

01:35:22.000 But wasn't it like they were temporary?

01:35:25.000 I don't think so.

01:35:26.000 I think there's a lot of anti-corporate sentiment in the world, in the intellectual world.

01:35:30.000 It's all propaganda.

01:35:30.000 What?

01:35:31.000 I said it's all propaganda.

01:35:31.000 It's all what?

01:35:31.000 I was kidding.

01:35:33.000 I think it is.

01:35:33.000 It is.

01:35:34.000 I mean, there's both anarchists, a lot of libertarians, obviously leftists, and a lot of these populist nationalists.

01:35:40.000 They all see corporations as some bastardization of the idea of property rights and all that.

01:35:45.000 But really, it is taking property rights and kind of making them better protected in a marketplace.

01:35:53.000 So I'm pro-corporation.

01:35:55.000 Obviously, you're a corporate entity yourself.

01:35:58.000 I'm a corporate entity.

01:35:59.000 We are surrounded by the fruits of corporate efforts.

01:36:02.000 Honestly, this is gonna piss off the last person watching this that does not hate me.

01:36:06.000 I liked, because I think I know what he meant, I liked when Mitt Romney in 2012 said, corporations are people.

01:36:13.000 Because I think I know what he meant to say is that we're talking about corporations as though they're floating, some floating aliens that have nothing to do with the American No, corporations are people, my friend.

01:36:23.000 The creators, the workers, the owners, and the shareholders, and the customers are all people.

01:36:28.000 Do you think that's what he meant?

01:36:29.000 Like, corporations are comprised of people?

01:36:31.000 That's what I think he meant.

01:36:32.000 He did not mean to say that literally these corporations have a name and zip code and social security numbers.

01:36:37.000 I think they are legally.

01:36:38.000 Aren't they legally persons?

01:36:39.000 They're legal persons for the sake of, like, lawsuits and things like that, you know.

01:36:43.000 Yeah, that was that one.

01:36:45.000 They used to be.

01:36:46.000 I think the whole thing was a semantic argument, to be fair.

01:36:49.000 But let's read some superchats, my friends.

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01:36:57.000 We do little bonus segments after the show and sometimes full episodes.

01:37:00.000 But this was actually fairly interesting.

01:37:01.000 I mean, I think there was a good discussion, Rukka, because, you know, we've not had that kind of discussion or debate before on this show.

01:37:09.000 We've had leftists on the show who have given us very obvious leftist opinions, and we've argued quite a bit.

01:37:14.000 And this was interesting because it was kind of in the other direction.

01:37:16.000 You know what's interesting to me is I started talking about any of this stuff.

01:37:20.000 I was, you know, I was just an average dude, uh, neckbeard sitting in my bedroom, uh.

01:37:25.000 Like, you know, the story of Sargon as illustrated in this beautiful, uh, number.

01:37:29.000 Uh-huh.

01:37:32.000 He was minding his own business when he saw something happening he wanted to speak out about.

01:37:35.000 So as much as I hate what he believes today, kind of where he ended up, I have to tell you it's an inspiring story of a totally worthless stoner lowlife saying, no, I have something to say.

01:37:48.000 You read Atlas Shrugged and it changed your life?

01:37:51.000 Oh yeah, The Fountainhead really changed my life when I first read that.

01:37:54.000 And then Atlas Shrugged, it's like that on steroids.

01:37:57.000 It's amazing.

01:37:58.000 So I started talking about objectivism and Ayn Rand around 2016 or 2017 because I saw a lot of people leaving the left.

01:38:06.000 We're leaving the left!

01:38:07.000 The left has gone bananas!

01:38:10.000 The left! 0.94

01:38:10.000 What happened to the left? 0.94

01:38:12.000 Right?

01:38:13.000 And I said, guys, I get what you're upset about, and I think you're right, but where is this going?

01:38:18.000 What's your positive that you're moving towards?

01:38:20.000 And if you're just moving recklessly away from the left, it's not going to go anywhere positive.

01:38:26.000 And what we've seen is a lot of people basically kind of shrug, pardon the pun, and turn back to the left, a lot of those guys.

01:38:32.000 A lot of them have turned to this sort of stringent nationalism that, again, has nothing to do with principles, nothing to do with individual rights being inalienable.

01:38:41.000 And, uh, a lot of people call themselves centrists.

01:38:44.000 They're sort of still trying to figure it out, and they're not gonna, you know, they have nothing positive that they're really fighting for, and it's not gonna tame the forces of madness on the left and right.

01:38:55.000 So, my friends, you know, think about what you truly believe, and, uh, you know, and be like this guy.

01:39:02.000 He was just an average dude.

01:39:04.000 Ah, look at that mask.

01:39:05.000 He put on that mask.

01:39:06.000 He became the warlord he became.

01:39:08.000 That's what I am now, and that's what you can be too.

01:39:11.000 Let's read some of these super chats.

01:39:13.000 Again, smash the like button because it's very important, and share the podcast if you like it.

01:39:17.000 If you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, leave us a good review if you like the show.

01:39:21.000 Let's see what we got.

01:39:21.000 Cryptic says, Tim, you should look into having Chris Duane, aka the YouTube channel, The Greatest Truth Never Told on your channel.

01:39:28.000 Let's see.

01:39:28.000 Jean McLeod.

01:39:29.000 Oh, he says, no Luke, no peace.

01:39:30.000 Luke is, uh, I don't know what he's doing.

01:39:32.000 He went to Anarcopolco.

01:39:34.000 Jean, oh, he's back.

01:39:35.000 Jean McLeod says, Tim and Lydia, your mask maker here.

01:39:38.000 How are all your masks holding?

01:39:39.000 Do I need to remake them or send new elastic?

01:39:42.000 Ian, what is your favorite color so I can make you one?

01:39:43.000 Ian, what's your favorite color?

01:39:45.000 Blue.

01:39:45.000 I like green blue.

01:39:47.000 Mine's doing all right.

01:39:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:49.000 But we don't really need them that much anymore.

01:39:52.000 Yeah.

01:39:52.000 I barely wear mine.

01:39:53.000 Yeah, out in the middle of nowhere.

01:39:54.000 It's kind of like no one's really, it's not really that.

01:39:58.000 I have to say this is my favorite mask that I've ever had.

01:40:00.000 It was custom made for us and it fits me just perfectly.

01:40:03.000 I put a picture of it on my Instagram a while ago and it's still, it's holding up really well.

01:40:06.000 I appreciate it.

01:40:07.000 Thank you.

01:40:08.000 All right, let's see.

01:40:09.000 Matt McCormick says, imagine my surprise to see Rukka on the show.

01:40:12.000 Westby and Pine Grove forever.

01:40:14.000 I know Matt.

01:40:15.000 What up?

01:40:15.000 What up, Cheeks?

01:40:16.000 Cheeks? 0.66

01:40:17.000 Nah, he doesn't like being called that, but I think in this context he'll appreciate the shout-out.

01:40:21.000 All right.

01:40:21.000 Whatever and Everything says, Tim, been watching for years.

01:40:24.000 I've learned a lot from your channel.

01:40:25.000 I made a hip-hop song called 2 Plus 2 Equals 5.

01:40:28.000 Check it out.

01:40:28.000 I'm an 80s baby with a 90s flow.

01:40:30.000 Salute.

01:40:31.000 Will do.

01:40:32.000 Zabruci Willis says, love you guys, especially you, Tim Chan.

01:40:35.000 Tim Chan?

01:40:36.000 It's a son?

01:40:38.000 I'm a man.

01:40:38.000 All right.

01:40:41.000 Adam Austin says, happy belated birthday, Tim.

01:40:43.000 My birthday was yesterday the 14th, which is the most important birthday because it is also Karl Marx's death date.

01:40:49.000 Is that real?

01:40:49.000 It's also Pi Day.

01:40:51.000 Chesty says, get that Star Wars girl on your show. 1.00

01:40:53.000 She wants to come on.

01:40:54.000 We'll look into it.

01:40:56.000 Peter A says, Tim, thoughts about starting a record label?

01:40:59.000 I make death metal and would like to put a record out on a label not run by woke people.

01:41:03.000 Most indie metal punk labels are woke or total line publicly.

01:41:06.000 Uh, I don't know about starting a record label.

01:41:10.000 That's probably outside of my wheelhouse.

01:41:12.000 I just made one song so far.

01:41:13.000 We might make more.

01:41:14.000 So we'll see.

01:41:17.000 Timothy Peterson says, absolutely devastated today. 0.78

01:41:19.000 I'm a Caucasian cat that's been married to a black woman for 14 years.

01:41:25.000 Found out from a blue check that I'm racist because of that.

01:41:28.000 That's right. 0.91

01:41:29.000 There was a guy who's like, he's going viral because he made some ridiculous claim about interracial couples being assigned that the guy is racist.

01:41:37.000 And it's like the weirdest argument ever. 0.98

01:41:39.000 I genuinely think these people are white supremacists.

01:41:41.000 I think they're just lying and using the left to try and manipulate into gaining power. 0.90

01:41:45.000 It's cultural indoctrination.

01:41:46.000 Can I jump in here and say, that song of yours, I really like that.

01:41:49.000 Like the video you showed me.

01:41:50.000 The Will of the People.

01:41:51.000 The Will of the People.

01:41:51.000 Thank you, sir.

01:41:52.000 I respect it.

01:41:53.000 Production-wise, you really brought that vision to life.

01:41:56.000 Well, Nishra is the one who did all the production, and then iStudios and Sweden are the ones who did the animation.

01:42:00.000 Delegation takes, you know, skill as well.

01:42:03.000 So even if you didn't personally do it, it got done on your watch.

01:42:06.000 There you go.

01:42:06.000 Hey, I supervised.

01:42:07.000 Therefore, I get all the credit for it.

01:42:09.000 I'm saying it unironically.

01:42:10.000 You're putting yourself down because if you give yourself full credit for what took place, that means those corporations also get credit.

01:42:18.000 Well, I did write the whole thing.

01:42:19.000 What?

01:42:19.000 I wrote all of it.

01:42:20.000 Yeah, it's your song.

01:42:21.000 I don't care who you hired.

01:42:23.000 I mean, it's great.

01:42:24.000 I'm happy for them as well.

01:42:25.000 Good job.

01:42:27.000 Alright, Nate Hammer says, Two guys were arrested for assaulting Officer Sicknick and two other officers at the Capitol on 1-6.

01:42:34.000 They sprayed them with something stronger than pepper spray.

01:42:36.000 They are not charged with murder related to Sicknick's death.

01:42:38.000 I saw that, it's interesting.

01:42:40.000 DW said, Sold some crypto for this rucka.

01:42:43.000 I still watch your ET parody about OBL.

01:42:46.000 Icon of YouTube's golden age.

01:42:47.000 Can I get a rucka rucka?

01:42:51.000 Okay, guys, I know you wouldn't go with me on the, uh, whoa, but can we get an Ali when I go rucka rucka?

01:42:57.000 Ali!

01:42:57.000 Wait, rucka, rucka, rucka?

01:43:00.000 Ali!

01:43:01.000 Oh, come on, Tim!

01:43:02.000 Even Tim, even Tim, no, that was never.

01:43:04.000 And I'm the one here with the golden voice.

01:43:05.000 That was avant-garde.

01:43:09.000 I remember that.

01:43:11.000 I like this guy.

01:43:12.000 The Ominous Parallels by Leonard Paikhoff. He'll know what I'm talking. I like this guy. Yeah, what's that about?

01:43:17.000 So The Ominous Parallels is a book that I actually gave Sargon back in the summer of 2017 when I met him and I hustled to

01:43:25.000 me and my boy Kirk hustled to get that book to him and And he ended up reading it, and he read an excerpt of it on his channel, and he got attacked by a bunch of people who really, really don't like the Jewish people.

01:43:39.000 They were saying, how can you trust this book?

01:43:40.000 It was written by a Jew.

01:43:41.000 But, you know, Sargon was really moved by the book.

01:43:43.000 It was, the memorable line of the book is, ideas are the motor of history.

01:43:48.000 So this book was explaining what took place in Germany, It was not because of the German race.

01:43:54.000 It was not because of the economic crisis.

01:43:56.000 That crisis was worldwide.

01:43:58.000 It was ideas.

01:44:00.000 It was the German philosophers. 0.97

01:44:02.000 They made Germany a place where madmen like Hitler could rule the people. 0.83

01:44:07.000 And it was the idea, you know, philosophers ruling the world, in essence. 0.67

01:44:12.000 It was Mussolini, too. 1.00

01:44:13.000 That guy was a psychopath. 0.98

01:44:14.000 I mean, why did the Italians go along with it? 0.99

01:44:16.000 They were also influenced by philosophy.

01:44:18.000 They did not have the type of individualism that I'm advocating for.

01:44:22.000 All right, let's see.

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01:44:37.000 Interesting.

01:44:38.000 TheGodpill says, just did an 11-hour live today teaching options, GME and AMC, and how to make life-changing money.

01:44:46.000 I don't know what GameStop's at today, but I know it's been doing well for a lot of people.

01:44:51.000 Austin Hartla says, hey Tim and crew, saw some stuff this weekend about the EPA coming after motorsports.

01:44:57.000 Might be worth making a video about it, or having a car enthusiast on to talk about it.

01:45:00.000 Oh wow, interesting.

01:45:01.000 Really, interesting.

01:45:05.000 I've heard a theory that the church made up the years between 600 AD and 1100 or something, and made up this guy Charlemagne to kind of empower the idea of the church.

01:45:21.000 And since they had all the data, they just rewrote it and said, this is what it was.

01:45:25.000 It's 500 years have passed.

01:45:27.000 They didn't say that.

01:45:27.000 I mean, more like 800 or 1,000 years of very little philosophical innovation.

01:45:34.000 And it was the rediscovery of Aristotle, not Aristotle's logic.

01:45:38.000 Now, Aristotle, there were two elements to Aristotle in my understanding.

01:45:41.000 Oh, you look so excited to be talking about this.

01:45:44.000 You just looked at me like, why the f are you going here?

01:45:47.000 No, listen.

01:45:48.000 Aristotle is the father of science, so look around.

01:45:51.000 We better thank the chap.

01:45:55.000 There's two elements to what he offers.

01:45:58.000 Logic, right?

01:45:59.000 Facts and logic.

01:46:01.000 Logic?

01:46:01.000 Facts.

01:46:02.000 Induction.

01:46:03.000 Induction.

01:46:04.000 Looking and then observing and acting on that, or getting principles from what you observe.

01:46:09.000 Not just dealing with ideas detached from reality.

01:46:13.000 So, in the Dark Ages, you still had Aristotle's logic.

01:46:15.000 You had intellectuals having logical arguments and all types of, you know, rationalistic discussions about what is God and what does God want and all of that.

01:46:26.000 But it was the rediscovery of Aristotle's induction, I think, by Thomas Aquinas And I think it was the Arabs. 0.55

01:46:34.000 It was the Arabs. 0.83

01:46:35.000 Gotta love the Arabs.

01:46:36.000 They studied Aristotle while those honkeys, while those crackers were giving Aristotle no time of day. 0.98

01:46:44.000 So when you go to your gas station, you thank that gentleman.

01:46:50.000 I will do that.

01:46:50.000 Yeah.

01:46:50.000 All right.

01:46:51.000 We got one.

01:46:51.000 They're making fun of you.

01:46:52.000 You ready?

01:46:52.000 Oh, here we go.

01:46:53.000 Loktar says, Tim, appreciate you bringing on a Peewee Herman impersonator.

01:46:57.000 Nice to have a comedic breakup and watch you school a low information voter between serious topics.

01:47:02.000 Love the show.

01:47:02.000 Imagine seeing a guy that had COVID-19 barely a month ago and speaking this way to him.

01:47:09.000 Do you know I had COVID-19?

01:47:10.000 Did you wash your hands?

01:47:15.000 Maybe?

01:47:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:19.000 I think, you know, you guys who are watching, you gotta be nice, man.

01:47:23.000 We have people on the show who don't always agree with everything.

01:47:25.000 We want that.

01:47:26.000 We have disagreements.

01:47:27.000 I think the conversations have to happen.

01:47:30.000 And it is tough because we have a lot of guests on the show that afterwards are like, wow, that was kind of brutal.

01:47:34.000 Your audience was really being mean.

01:47:36.000 And I'm like, well, look, sometimes if you want to be in this kind of business, People are mean to me all the time.

01:47:43.000 I mean, what's frustrating to me is not that all these people hate me, but it's like, what if nobody is kind of hearing my message?

01:47:50.000 But I know that's not true, and I know at least one person is gonna contact me, or at least in their mind think that what I said helped them rethink about things a certain way.

01:48:00.000 So if just one person's life can be affected positively, then why is it not worth my time to come on here and, you know, give my opinion?

01:48:08.000 Yeah.

01:48:09.000 And I think it's, like, if you don't listen to opinions you don't agree with or you think are wrong, like, how will you sharpen your mind and confront these ideas when you encounter them in the real world?

01:48:18.000 Yeah, Tammy Davis says dude wants to fight a conservative invite Stephen Crowder or the Hodge twins, but he will calm 0.85

01:48:25.000 his ass down He has no clue what a Trump supporter believes 0.95

01:48:27.000 I mean again people think I'm criticizing all Trump supporters. I'm saying here's what in my opinion Trump 1.00

01:48:34.000 symbolizes He is the pragmatist president

01:48:36.000 He is the American president that wants nothing to do with philosophy nothing to do with principles 0.67

01:48:42.000 a lot of his policies are probably excellent, but Policy does not matter as a certain formerly gay 1.00

01:48:49.000 British chap used to say Policy does not matter.

01:48:53.000 And I think although I disagree with everything that that gentleman used to say, he was right on that point. 1.00

01:48:58.000 In a sense, policy of course matters.

01:48:59.000 It had immediate consequences.

01:49:02.000 But what matters is how you arrived at those policies.

01:49:04.000 And pragmatism, my friends, is what got us into this mess.

01:49:08.000 So let's go back to the intellectual era before Pragmatism.

01:49:12.000 Back to a time when they knew damn well that the Dark Ages had existed and they really didn't want to go back.

01:49:18.000 Rob Lowe, Rob's Lowe's, says, I respect this man for coming on the show, but everything he is complaining about, he is doing it himself.

01:49:25.000 Trump lost.

01:49:26.000 It's over.

01:49:26.000 You are complaining about how loud he is, but all you have done is yell and interrupt Tim.

01:49:30.000 Oh, so Trump lost now?

01:49:32.000 Excuse me, I was not- Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah.

01:49:34.000 I'm joking.

01:49:34.000 He's gonna stereotype all the Trump supporters?

01:49:37.000 No, I'm just being kind of a... I do stereotypes, alright?

01:49:40.000 That's kind of my thing.

01:49:41.000 Look, I took this one individual person and I turned him into a stereotype of himself.

01:49:46.000 Oh man, like... This is what I do.

01:49:47.000 Look, you criticized Trump and this, like, a lot of people then were like, I'm gonna put in my superchats and I'm gonna, you know, fight back.

01:49:54.000 Yeah, you showed me.

01:49:56.000 Furry insanity.

01:49:56.000 I got it.

01:49:57.000 I got it.

01:49:57.000 I got to call you out for this one Oh, no, he says OMG.

01:50:00.000 This guy is a damn crony. 0.99

01:50:02.000 Let's all thank China for our prosperity. 1.00

01:50:03.000 Okay, Joe jr As much as like I disagree with you on the China stuff.

01:50:08.000 They didn't think you're like a you're like the opposite of a Democrat Yeah, they didn't hear anything.

01:50:12.000 I said, I mean there are some democratic points that I agree with I agree with them I I think on abortion maybe not for the same reasons as they're maybe pro abortion.

01:50:20.000 I agree with them on I Let's say at a time when gay marriage was illegal, I agreed with them that it should be legalized.

01:50:26.000 But I mean, this person did not listen to anything I said.

01:50:28.000 I wanted to talk about philosophy.

01:50:30.000 I wanted to ask, what is the nature of man?

01:50:32.000 What is it that made America great?

01:50:34.000 What is it that made America worth fighting over?

01:50:37.000 That's what I wanted to ask.

01:50:39.000 And also, all these people hating on me, tell that to all the people who bought the Sargon vinyl in the time we've been doing this show.

01:50:46.000 Tell that to them.

01:50:47.000 Obviously, they agree with every last word that I said.

01:50:50.000 All right.

01:50:50.000 A Magic Monkey says, I live in rural New Mexico.

01:50:53.000 We always supported Trump just because of the wall.

01:50:55.000 If you don't think guns are necessary, wait till the cartels and caravans come across your doorstep.

01:51:00.000 I mean, if you think the wall is that important, then I'm not going to reach you here today.

01:51:05.000 Maybe someday.

01:51:05.000 I think a confident, prosperous, strong society does not need to build walls.

01:51:10.000 A confident, strong, prosperous society knows that people want to move here, but they can't wait to To prosper.

01:51:17.000 They're too busy winning to worry about people moving in and competing for jobs.

01:51:24.000 You know where I think we agree?

01:51:26.000 People gotta be like pioneers again.

01:51:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:28.000 We've talked about this on the show before.

01:51:30.000 Think about being in London, and then being like, I'm gonna get on a boat for three months, I might die, and then I'm gonna land on a shore where there's literally nothing, and that's my plan for life.

01:51:39.000 And they did that.

01:51:40.000 They landed on the shores, New England, whatever, and they're like, alright, we got water and we got trees.

01:51:44.000 We gotta find food, we gotta find shelter, we gotta build it.

01:51:46.000 They had literally nothing.

01:51:48.000 Where are the people in America that are willing to do that?

01:51:50.000 Willing to buy a plot of land in the middle of nowhere and literally start building their own house, building their own factories.

01:51:54.000 They're signing up for, uh, the Martian exploration.

01:51:57.000 It's all gonna be on Mars.

01:51:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that I get, but like, at a certain point, there's like, you know, you mentioned this earlier about people should do their own thing, and I'm like, I agree.

01:52:06.000 If maybe you're not having work, start making things.

01:52:09.000 you know, I don't know. And advocate for liberating the economy, privatize things.

01:52:14.000 Do you know that in financial institutions, the big ones, there are regulators with offices in

01:52:18.000 the banks? Like, this is it. The government and the banks are basically the same person.

01:52:24.000 We need to separate the two. I mean, the finance and fossil fuels, by the way,

01:52:30.000 are the lifeblood of all human life. And the reason we hate them so much is because we hate

01:52:34.000 look, thinking is such a big picture.

01:52:36.000 We hate acknowledging the fact that to live as a human being is to think long-term, is to be independent and to observe reality.

01:52:44.000 There's a lot of people in the Super Chats that are not too happy, but I thought this was actually a pretty substantive conversation.

01:52:49.000 We can't just have shows where we're like, I agree.

01:52:51.000 I agree that you agree.

01:52:52.000 I also agree with you.

01:52:54.000 We have a lot of guests on the show where it's like basically we just agree on everything and then everyone in the super chat's like, I also agree.

01:53:00.000 And it's like, nah.

01:53:01.000 I mean, who wants that?

01:53:02.000 And you know, if we had a good conversation and we got some super chats for you, then that's all I care about.

01:53:08.000 Well, I mean, I think if people disagree with what you say, then... Like, one person said, you know, never have this guy on the show again, and I'm like, no, that's more reason to actually have him on the show.

01:53:15.000 That's all reason.

01:53:15.000 Not only again, but weekly.

01:53:17.000 I'm actually moving in.

01:53:20.000 This is not me.

01:53:20.000 This is not what I'm interested in.

01:53:21.000 I'm not interested in sitting down with someone and hearing my opinions back at me.

01:53:24.000 Yeah, it's boring.

01:53:24.000 The debate between individualism and collectivism is so key.

01:53:27.000 You need both.

01:53:29.000 If it's raw individualism, you get slavery.

01:53:32.000 And so you need a collective to oversee.

01:53:34.000 I mean, if you give a company no rules, they'll hire people for 30 cents and monopolize the world with weapons.

01:53:41.000 So you need a government to protect us from that.

01:53:43.000 That's why we built the government.

01:53:44.000 So you want to go now.

01:53:45.000 Okay.

01:53:46.000 But once you get overly collective, then the government becomes its own monopoly.

01:53:51.000 It's a maze, man.

01:53:52.000 No, it's not.

01:53:54.000 Raw individualism is not slavery.

01:53:56.000 You cannot have slavery in a society where the rights of the individual are protected.

01:54:01.000 So that's not- But who's protecting it?

01:54:03.000 Well, philosophically, you identify that to live is to live free, to live- It's very utopian, man.

01:54:08.000 It's not utopian.

01:54:09.000 You're talking about writing up a constitution with the government, right?

01:54:11.000 Everyone's gonna agree with each other, we'll respect all these values.

01:54:13.000 No, it's the government that's gonna protect it.

01:54:14.000 That's why we wrote the constitution.

01:54:16.000 The government is restricted by the constitution.

01:54:18.000 The government is the collective.

01:54:20.000 But the Constitution restricts what the government can do.

01:54:22.000 It doesn't grant the government powers to do anything.

01:54:24.000 Well, it created the government.

01:54:25.000 Well, I'm sorry, I have to clarify.

01:54:26.000 The Bill of Rights.

01:54:27.000 The Constitution literally outlines what the government does, and the Bill of Rights restricts what the government can do.

01:54:31.000 I mean, we have to protect ourselves from mercenary warfare.

01:54:34.000 You know, that's the individual military source.

01:54:37.000 Of course you need both.

01:54:38.000 I think there's a balance.

01:54:41.000 No, it's not a balance.

01:54:42.000 We need to identify the right principles and then be extreme about them.

01:54:45.000 I'm an extremist.

01:54:46.000 I'm a radical.

01:54:47.000 So what do you do when a hundred people who are communists show up with guns?

01:54:52.000 What do you mean they show up with guns?

01:54:54.000 You have a military and a police for that.

01:54:56.000 So, look, the issue is you have to organize a military and a police, right?

01:55:01.000 Yes.

01:55:02.000 I mean, they have uniforms.

01:55:04.000 They are a legitimate part of a free society.

01:55:08.000 The government, the courts, the military, and the executive, and the police.

01:55:12.000 So to a certain degree, you agree that people will be forced to do things?

01:55:17.000 No, they will be prevented from violating anyone else's rights.

01:55:20.000 How do you pay for the police to it?

01:55:21.000 We talked about taxation.

01:55:23.000 Come on, you really want to have that same, literal same argument, discussion?

01:55:27.000 I just think you have this idea that everyone's going to agree and be happy and it's very utopian.

01:55:31.000 Listen, if I could get you to consider one thing, it's that the work that intellectuals do in their ivory towers is where most people get their Their philosophy from so the fact that most people that that critical race theory is rampant right now comes from the universities.

01:55:49.000 Obviously, we know that The fact that the alternative to critical race theory being posed is pragmatism again comes from the universities So the universities is where individualism I would like objectivism the philosophy of Ayn Rand to be offered to be To spread, and you will see rational people that understand we're not all subjectively, you know, grappling with aimlessness, with aimless goals.

01:56:15.000 We are living in reality and reality is our frame of reference.

01:56:18.000 Why have you and I not come, other than me, you know, crapping on you verbally? 0.99

01:56:24.000 Why have we not started to, why have I not taken away your stuff and started to punch you and violate you sexually? 0.99

01:56:30.000 Because we're rational beings. 0.99

01:56:32.000 Well, we were trained not to.

01:56:34.000 I mean, we're violent, wild animals that have been mildly tamed.

01:56:36.000 No, you can't think for yourself.

01:56:37.000 That's it.

01:56:38.000 That's all there is to you.

01:56:38.000 You don't think in concepts.

01:56:40.000 You don't make plans.

01:56:40.000 Where are you from?

01:56:41.000 I was taught to, so I do.

01:56:42.000 Where are you from?

01:56:43.000 What do you mean?

01:56:43.000 Like, where'd you grow up?

01:56:44.000 I was born in Israel.

01:56:46.000 Oh, there we go.

01:56:47.000 The last of the people watching this that were not planning to kill me.

01:56:50.000 Where'd you grow up?

01:56:50.000 So I was born in Israel.

01:56:51.000 I lived in Detroit through my teen years and through my 20s mostly, and now I'm in LA.

01:56:57.000 Right on.

01:56:57.000 And you don't think there are people who just don't care about your rights?

01:57:00.000 Most people not only don't care but are happy to violate them.

01:57:05.000 Because I mean this is what we're arguing about in a sense.

01:57:07.000 Even some of the good guys like you are not willing to go all the way with rights because at the end of the day it is a question of what is human nature.

01:57:14.000 And if we don't agree that human nature is to In order to survive, you must look at reality and live by the data and think independently and think long term, make plans.

01:57:24.000 None of this is trained and conditioned.

01:57:26.000 You need to independently solve the problems.

01:57:29.000 You guys were dragging the TV over because I ruined the camera earlier with my Zoom call.

01:57:33.000 I mean, you've got to look at reality and you've got to make plans and you've got to act on it.

01:57:37.000 Nobody's conditioned to live according to the facts of reality.

01:57:41.000 You were taught philosophical principles, but you're not... nobody can... I mean, brainwashing exists, but most of us are not brainwashed the way I did.

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01:58:03.000 Hey, thanks, Duff & Dale.

01:58:04.000 There's a lot we didn't get to today.

01:58:06.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 Like, uh, remember we were talking about... I don't know if we were talking about this, but, like, I was gonna tell you, like, it seems like you think that when someone made money that they're suspect, you know?

01:58:17.000 Who thinks that?

01:58:18.000 Like, you think that, kind of.

01:58:19.000 What do you mean?

01:58:20.000 I don't think that.

01:58:20.000 You're not, like, suspicious.

01:58:22.000 Or, like, you thought that, like, some people who went from, like, left to right did it because they were afraid of consequences.

01:58:27.000 Oh, that's about, like, social enforcement.

01:58:31.000 Yeah, like there's... You don't think, like, people can just, like, like, evolve or change philosophically and, like, change what they believe?

01:58:40.000 I'd say that.

01:58:40.000 Well, so, I mean, look at how much money you're getting in Super Chats.

01:58:43.000 Does that mean I should be suspicious of you because you can only be motivated by money?

01:58:47.000 No, because the people who super-chatted smack-talking you, I just told them I thought they were wrong, and one person said, he actually gave me money to say, I shouldn't have you on the show again, and I actually said the opposite, and no, that's more reason to actually have you back.

01:58:57.000 But maybe it's all part of your plan.

01:58:58.000 But how about when someone writes a letter disavowing one of their friends because they were accused of being a racist?

01:59:04.000 I mean, like, that's a pretty bold thing to do.

01:59:07.000 What about someone just all of a sudden, like, disappearing for a while and then coming back totally flip, saying, I'm no longer that politics, you know, I'm different now?

01:59:14.000 If you agree with me that at least one person, at least Tim Poole, is making decisions based not on raw, vulgar material concerns, but based on principles, then I'm happy, because that means you admit that principles are what drive at least one person.

01:59:28.000 There are some people that had, like, very strange moments where, like, a wave of censorship occurred, and then all of a sudden someone was like, oh, I just realized I'm actually not a conservative, and it's like, oh, wow, that's weird timing.

01:59:42.000 And I think it's interesting too, like, the grift doesn't flow, it doesn't make sense that the grift flows to the right, because the right is the dangerous position, and the right has a lower market cap, it's harder to monetize.

01:59:54.000 The left is where the corporations are, where the big money is, where the Grammys are, and where you're safe from censorship.

01:59:59.000 I don't think anyone is really grifting.

02:00:01.000 Well, some people are grifting.

02:00:02.000 Some people are grifting.

02:00:03.000 But I think most people are making these types of decisions based on their judgment.

02:00:08.000 And I often disagree with their judgment.

02:00:10.000 But, you know, in some cases they're making money, in other cases they're losing money as a result of this decision.

02:00:15.000 There are some channels that have, like, done extremely well, and I'm not looking to name them for specific reasons, but, like, you can compare their stuff after certain key moments in the culture war, and it's fairly obvious what they're doing.

02:00:33.000 Like, again, I'm not only talking about leftists.

02:00:36.000 I'm not only talking about conservatives.

02:00:37.000 I'm not only talking about libertarians or only anti-SJW people or formerly anti-SJW people.

02:00:41.000 I'm talking about literally everybody.

02:00:43.000 And I'm going to avoid saying their names, but it includes the left.

02:00:45.000 It includes the right.

02:00:46.000 It includes people who have made very obvious and strategic moves around things that have happened.

02:00:52.000 There are people who have said that they're in favor of free speech, and then you see them come out and say, I'm outraged.

02:00:56.000 These people should be banned.

02:00:58.000 And they try and morally justify it, saying, well, you got to fight cancel culture with cancel culture.

02:01:01.000 And I'm like, why?

02:01:02.000 Banning anybody is wrong.

02:01:03.000 Even if it means I'm in a weakened position, I'm still not going to say people should be suspended or banned or censored.

02:01:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:08.000 Anyway, let's read some more.

02:01:11.000 SuperTallBirds says, I've been watching Tim since Sargon gave him a shout-out back in 2017.

02:01:15.000 You two have always been my favorite creators.

02:01:17.000 Bitcoin, GameStop, and Loom have made me financially independent, so I'm signing up for Timcast and the Lotus Eaters.

02:01:23.000 I love Rucka's collab with Chris Raygun.

02:01:25.000 Oh, that was, uh, Pancha Nazi. 0.93

02:01:27.000 Yeah.

02:01:27.000 That was great.

02:01:28.000 I liked what I did on that very short feature that I had on that.

02:01:33.000 Swinging fists, sackclops! 0.97

02:01:35.000 People are going, oh, that's who that was?

02:01:37.000 That's right.

02:01:38.000 That's right.

02:01:38.000 I gave you that little snippet of that song and I can take it away.

02:01:42.000 I think a lot of people that were active several years ago, not so much abandoned their principles, but abandoned the fight itself.

02:01:51.000 Like, it's a very stressful industry to be in.

02:01:53.000 You're getting attacked left and right.

02:01:55.000 They're sending you pictures of family members.

02:01:57.000 They're threatening you.

02:01:58.000 And then eventually people are like, dude, I don't need this.

02:01:59.000 I want to talk about video games, man.

02:02:01.000 And then all of a sudden they go from a political show to a, I just want to talk about video games.

02:02:05.000 I don't want to do this anymore.

02:02:07.000 And there are some people who like stuck their neck out and then quickly recoiled when they realized just how dangerous it was to do that.

02:02:14.000 But if people aren't willing to step up and stand on the front lines during a fight, then you don't win that fight.

02:02:18.000 I agree that people do that, but I also think a lot of people sort of changed maybe their sort of affiliation.

02:02:26.000 Let's say they used to be on the left, and then they thought, well, maybe the right has what I'm looking for, and then they said, okay, no, actually, I'm not at all on board with this, and they became sort of back to be left-leaning, and maybe this time around, they're not so concerned about social justice warriors.

02:02:42.000 They think that's an overhyped problem, let's say, or maybe this time around, they support BLM in a way that they didn't a few years ago, but I do see this as a evolution or the in some cases the opposite of evolution a regression a regressive leftist direction as a result of their philosophical conviction of like where their judgment led them so as much as I Often disagree with people.

02:03:07.000 I I do see it ultimately is that you know that I don't... I think most people I agree with you, but I'm specifically referring to... Certain people you think just, like, they still sort of believe what they believe, but they don't have the courage that they used to have.

02:03:21.000 That's the way you see it?

02:03:22.000 No, I think they were probably always just in it as a personality to make money.

02:03:26.000 So there are certain people who spoke up as, like, I saw something and I believe in this and I'm gonna speak up against it.

02:03:31.000 Then there were some people who just maybe talked about video games and movies

02:03:35.000 Politics got real heavy. So all of a sudden they were like, yo, this is dumb 0.99

02:03:38.000 I don't like what you're talking about this politics and then later was like dude 0.92

02:03:42.000 I don't care to be involved in this anymore. Yeah, whatever the movies are fine

02:03:46.000 Do you understand that like from a lot of people's perspective you and Sargon and many others you started off

02:03:51.000 as like reluctantly Okay with Trump because you really hate Hillary but like

02:03:56.000 flash forward a few years and it just seems like Trump is like the maybe

02:03:59.000 Maybe Trump did something different?

02:04:01.000 Did maybe something change in the past few years that I've specifically talked about?

02:04:05.000 Maybe.

02:04:05.000 Good point.

02:04:05.000 Yeah.

02:04:05.000 Do maybe people like you, instead of watching the content or trying to understand what's going on, just say,

02:04:11.000 how come two years ago he said Trump is bad and now he's saying Trump is good?

02:04:13.000 Could it be, I don't know, maybe Trump fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria, 1.00

02:04:17.000 and I said, wow, this guy's a moron, he hired John Bolton, this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. 1.00

02:04:21.000 And then in the last few months of his administration, he had the Abraham Accords 1.00

02:04:25.000 bringing about four historic peace agreements, notably with Israel.

02:04:27.000 And I was like, wow, that's really good.

02:04:28.000 And then he was instructing the Pentagon to remove our troops from Afghanistan, and they obstructed him.

02:04:34.000 And then one federal official lied to the American people about the amount of people in Syria to stop Trump from pulling them out. 0.56

02:04:40.000 Could it be that I said, we have Joe Biden, who is the VP overseeing Iraq, a warmonger monster, Who exploited his position in government to make millions of dollars and Trump, the boisterous, lewd, and lascivious, let's just call him chaotic individual, who I've been very critical for a lot of reasons.

02:04:58.000 He's increased drone strikes. 0.66

02:04:59.000 That was bad.

02:04:59.000 He obfuscated the drone reporting.

02:05:02.000 Tomahawk missiles in Syria.

02:05:04.000 Missile strikes in Iran. 0.79

02:05:06.000 Potential escalation there.

02:05:07.000 But then all of a sudden, I'm looking at school choice.

02:05:10.000 I'm looking at the banning of critical race theory at the federal government level.

02:05:13.000 I'm looking at What are the other things?

02:05:16.000 Abraham Accords, most notably, and a booming economy in 2019, and I said, for what I believe is right, the biggest issues that I think affect me, one, war.

02:05:24.000 Trying to get out of Afghanistan is worthy of my compliments. 1.00

02:05:29.000 The Abraham Accords are historic.

02:05:31.000 The actions he took with North Korea, while not particularly effective in the long run, were still and amazing.

02:05:36.000 You know that Donald Trump crossed the demilitarized zone into North Korea with no security.

02:05:40.000 That was bold and powerful, especially for me and what I know about my family.

02:05:43.000 I saw that, I was like, dude could have just been killed on the spot.

02:05:46.000 But he didn't worry about it.

02:05:48.000 And that's the kind of effort you have to make, even with bad people, that even Obama tried making, and I will give him credit for that.

02:05:53.000 And right now, I've praised Joe Biden for moving up the vaccine timeline.

02:05:56.000 You see, the people who actually watch this show probably realize there's a nuanced opinion in these things, and there are probably some really good reasons to support Donald Trump over Joe Biden.

02:06:04.000 But what ends up happening is, the people I'm critical of, who don't pay attention, and only hold opinions for the sake of making money, the real grifters, all of a sudden find themselves on the side of the woke cult-like leftists they opposed for years, right around the time that YouTube changed its algorithm and started banning these people, all of a sudden they disappeared and come back with an awakening!

02:06:25.000 Now I'm different!

02:06:26.000 Now I realized what was actually right the whole time!

02:06:28.000 Or if they didn't go that overt, like writing a letter disavowing their own friends, because they were scared about being called racists, They decided that, well, I'm going to simmer things down, reduce the amount of content I'm doing, and probably just stop talking about it.

02:06:42.000 You want to engage in a fight because you claim to believe in things, but then abandon it the moment things get hot? 0.97

02:06:46.000 You are a grifter.

02:06:47.000 You never actually believed in these things. 0.98

02:06:49.000 That's what I'm critical of.

02:06:50.000 So perhaps, whatever Sargon's opinions are, he actually had an evolution on certain issues.

02:06:55.000 Maybe he realized, you know what, I was wrong about that two years ago.

02:06:57.000 For me, I don't think I was wrong two years ago when I said Trump was wrong to fire Tomok missiles into Syria, and I don't think I'm wrong now to say Joe Biden was wrong to do the same thing.

02:07:04.000 Both did not have congressional approval for that, but guess what?

02:07:07.000 The mainstream media praised both when they do it.

02:07:10.000 Granted, Joe Biden got a little bit of flack for this from some personalities because it seems like the establishment is weakening as the DSA types and more progressives start moving in.

02:07:18.000 But Donald Trump all of a sudden was being called presidential because he was blowing up, he was bombing an airbase with missiles.

02:07:24.000 There are many people who don't seem to have any reasonable reason for transitioning their opinions from where they used to stand to where they are now.

02:07:32.000 And my opinion seemed to be relatively static, save the Second Amendment.

02:07:36.000 When the riots happened, when COVID happened, And when someone tried breaking into my house, I went and bought guns, learned about them, and now my opinions very much change in the Second Amendment.

02:07:43.000 Other than that, it's almost entirely the same as it was years ago, even when I made a video while I still worked for Disney criticizing black-segregated college ceremonies, or black-segregated protest rooms during Black Lives Matter when I worked for Vice. 0.51

02:07:57.000 All of those opinions are exactly the same as they've been, and perhaps I probably should evolve a bit more on some of those positions, but I haven't.

02:08:03.000 Instead, we get a bunch of people who are scared.

02:08:06.000 They're scared the machine is winning.

02:08:08.000 They're scared the establishment is gaining ground.

02:08:10.000 The Grammys is promoting Black Lives Matter and asking for accomplices. 0.99

02:08:13.000 So instead of standing tall and saying, I will not move, you move, they say, oh, that was a mistake.

02:08:20.000 I'm not doing that anymore.

02:08:21.000 I'm not going to talk about politics.

02:08:23.000 You guys see that new movie that just came out? 0.98

02:08:25.000 Those are called cowards.

02:08:27.000 I think we got some super chats. 0.98

02:08:29.000 Yep.

02:08:31.000 And if you haven't already, make sure you smash that like button and we'll just read a couple more because I just did a big long rant, however long that was.

02:08:39.000 Luminescent says, a country's policy should be flexible, not rigid.

02:08:43.000 Open border is a pipe dream.

02:08:44.000 There are countries that don't like America that would camouflage.

02:08:47.000 And to that regard, too, I seem to recall praising Bernie Sanders when he said open borders is a Koch brothers proposal and when he was actually in favor of building a border barrier.

02:08:57.000 Yeah.

02:08:58.000 Back in, I think, what was that, 2007, 2008, when Schumer and Pelosi and all these Democrats were like, we need to build a border barrier.

02:09:04.000 And Hillary Clinton said the same thing. 1.00

02:09:08.000 Elizabeth Cink says, yes, Tim, yes.

02:09:11.000 Patrick Massis says, Good guest.

02:09:13.000 Don't agree all the time, but discussion builds mental muscle.

02:09:15.000 That's exactly right.

02:09:17.000 That's why I'm glad Rukka came on the show and we had these conversations because I don't want to just sit around with people who are saying, I agree.

02:09:24.000 You're right, and also...

02:09:26.000 I was gonna just be like try to crack jokes the whole time and just have a wonderful time and like three minutes in we're arguing about the nature of man and free will.

02:09:35.000 That was the point.

02:09:36.000 Yeah, that's what the show became.

02:09:38.000 We did discuss this a long time ago.

02:09:39.000 I think we were at the casino at that event and we were talking about objectivism and stuff like that.

02:09:45.000 That's why I figured you'd be cool to have on.

02:09:47.000 Yeah, and there's a lot more to discuss.

02:09:49.000 Charles in Ohio just bought a Sargon CD, so I just want to thank him for his endorsement.

02:09:54.000 That fight with Ted Cruz comment's got a lot of people like, I'm your Huckleberry.

02:09:59.000 When you were like, I'd like to get Ted Cruz in here to agree to a consensual physical fight or whatever.

02:10:03.000 Yeah, so what did Huckleberry do?

02:10:05.000 No, no, so you know the saying, I'm your Huckleberry?

02:10:06.000 No.

02:10:07.000 It means, like, I'm your guy.

02:10:08.000 Like, I'll fight you.

02:10:09.000 Oh.

02:10:10.000 No, no, no.

02:10:11.000 Just Ted Cruz.

02:10:13.000 People are like, I'd like to see him come down here.

02:10:15.000 I'll take it.

02:10:15.000 I'll offer him money.

02:10:16.000 All right, let's just, uh, let's just, we'll do a couple more.

02:10:20.000 Race Schwarzbach says, get him, Ian.

02:10:25.000 Individualism versus collectivism, man.

02:10:27.000 No, I agree.

02:10:28.000 It's individualism versus collectivism.

02:10:30.000 But why would you give this much to collectivism?

02:10:32.000 Because I think government is collectivism.

02:10:33.000 I don't think it is.

02:10:34.000 I think a proper government protects the individual.

02:10:37.000 But who runs it?

02:10:38.000 Individuals that are appointed for that particular job and have proven themselves.

02:10:42.000 Appointed?

02:10:43.000 Well, they get the job.

02:10:44.000 When you say individuals, you mean it's a collective of individuals.

02:10:48.000 Conceptually, it's a collective, but there is no collective that is separate from the sum of its individuals.

02:10:53.000 I do agree with that.

02:10:54.000 The individual should be part of the collective oversight of the individuals.

02:10:57.000 I'll read a couple more and then we'll continue this.

02:10:59.000 Decentralized.

02:11:00.000 I like blockchain a lot for that purpose.

02:11:02.000 How about we talk about technology and individualism for the extended members only thing, but we'll read a couple more Super Chats.

02:11:10.000 JB says, it's time for this civil war to officially- Oh no, we can't say that.

02:11:15.000 I'm not gonna read the rest of that super chat.

02:11:15.000 Uh, nope.

02:11:16.000 Sorry, JB.

02:11:17.000 Furry Insanity says, look, this guy isn't as bad as Destiny by any means.

02:11:21.000 I just don't get why it seems he thinks it's okay for us to depend on China from earlier in the talk.

02:11:27.000 I don't know if you got the essence of the point I was making, but thank you for the first part of that, which was almost a compliment.

02:11:36.000 Case closed, 93 says, Rucca, you forget you did a Trump impression in My Name's Obama in 2012, ironically.

02:11:42.000 Yeah, I just never found myself doing this whole, today power is transferred over.

02:11:46.000 Like, I never really tried to do that type of Trump.

02:11:48.000 My, you know, 25 million view, I was born in my own hospital.

02:11:55.000 Now, like, a few people are like, oh, that's that guy.

02:11:58.000 That's right.

02:11:59.000 The guy you've been hating this whole show.

02:12:02.000 Hashtag RealNames says, I think Rukka is wrong on a bunch of stuff, but over the years he has definitely helped me work through my ideas.

02:12:09.000 He caused some great conversations.

02:12:11.000 Well, that's wonderful, but next, can you just like kind of agree with me so I know this show was not a total waste of time?

02:12:18.000 There's a lot of people that want to fight.

02:12:22.000 Wow, so many Ted Cruz fans.

02:12:23.000 I never would have guessed this.

02:12:26.000 Uh, 37 says you have unlocked JRE Tim Pool for Timcast mode.

02:12:30.000 Is that what that was?

02:12:31.000 That was what, yeah.

02:12:32.000 I might as well have been rapping.

02:12:33.000 Oh, dude!

02:12:34.000 Ugh! 0.97

02:12:35.000 Can you do that whole screaming, uh, that whole rant again?

02:12:37.000 Just, just do it again.

02:12:38.000 I want, I have a better, better response.

02:12:39.000 Alright.

02:12:41.000 I don't even remember what I said.

02:12:42.000 Maybe if they actually would watch the show, they would see... Can you just...

02:12:47.000 Oh, I had one guy, like I've known for years.

02:12:49.000 He's like, I used to be so proud of what you were doing.

02:12:52.000 And then I realized you were just pushing an agenda.

02:12:54.000 And I was like, what agenda is that?

02:12:56.000 And he was like, it's very clear that you're trying to, you know, just you're, you're pro Republicans and these.

02:13:00.000 And I was like, when have I praised the Republican party?

02:13:04.000 Certainly, I said there's good things about them, for sure, so I'll take that, you know, absolutely.

02:13:08.000 The critical race theory stuff, pushing back on that.

02:13:10.000 But I'm pretty sure, I think, I've always said I don't like Mitch McConnell.

02:13:14.000 He doesn't do anything Republicans obstruct, and they're part of the Uniparty.

02:13:18.000 But how would you respond to people that are saying you're sort of grifting in the sense that you're getting so much money and prominence and you're sort of rising up to be a force to be reckoned with on the right?

02:13:27.000 Doesn't that make you kind of suspect?

02:13:31.000 Well, I think if you go to the actual forums where the hardcore conservatives are, they actually don't like me all that much.

02:13:40.000 And I think it's funny, like when I went on Steven Crowder, it was really, it was really funny.

02:13:43.000 The last time I went on, he was like, you know him, you love him or you hate him.

02:13:46.000 And I'm like, you see, there you go.

02:13:47.000 And so like, look, my American values test, I just took it.

02:13:51.000 I get moderate libertarian.

02:13:52.000 That's, that's, that's, that's what I get.

02:13:54.000 And my political compass is center left.

02:13:57.000 And I think the issue is.

02:13:59.000 This audience that listens, I think the one thing that actually just defines them is discernment of media, right?

02:14:06.000 A critical eye towards media is probably the principal factor.

02:14:10.000 So if someone comes in and, or if like a news outlet says, Donald Trump did a backflip, the people who watch the show are the kind of people who looked for the video to see if he actually did a backflip.

02:14:21.000 And they'll watch my content and they'll criticize me when I get things wrong and send me corrections, whereas people who watch mainstream corporate press are the people who just believe whatever it is they hear.

02:14:31.000 So, what ends up happening?

02:14:33.000 Very critical of Democrats because they're the ones on the offense and Republicans don't do anything.

02:14:37.000 So, if the Democrats are saying something like, we're going to push H.R.

02:14:41.000 1 and rapidly transform voting in this country, and then I actually did a whole segment where I was like, I actually agree with a lot of this bill, well, the reason it's the focus on the Democrats and the Republicans is because the Republicans literally did nothing.

02:14:52.000 They did nothing.

02:14:53.000 Nothing happened.

02:14:54.000 Or a good example is when the Republicans pass these tax cuts, Donald Trump gets these tax cuts passed, and then progressives start saying there's a tax cut for the rich, which they still do, and then Matthew Iglesias from Vox.com comes out and says, it's like, what did he call it?

02:15:07.000 He called it success?

02:15:09.000 That progressives have convinced Americans they didn't get a tax cut when actually Trump did give a middle class tax cut?

02:15:16.000 There's a lot.

02:15:17.000 Shall I continue?

02:15:18.000 I mean, I'm not getting the anger that I was getting before with that rant.

02:15:22.000 And like, when I saw that comment, I realized, oh, I had the perfect comeback.

02:15:25.000 But like, I don't want to say it, because what if you have another angry rant in you?

02:15:30.000 Probably.

02:15:30.000 There's a lot of words all jumbled up in there.

02:15:32.000 Let's keep going.

02:15:33.000 Well, we're going to take it to the... We've gone a bit over on this one.

02:15:36.000 We're going to take it to TimCast.com and we'll make it this exclusive.

02:15:39.000 You can swear in that one.

02:15:40.000 Give me something angry, please.

02:15:41.000 Or what pisses him off, guys?

02:15:43.000 How do I get him to... Me interrupting him a lot?

02:15:45.000 No, when I get a bad mana curve in Hearthstone.

02:15:49.000 Well, you gotta fix your deck.

02:15:49.000 Meaning?

02:15:50.000 No, no, no, no!

02:15:51.000 Like, I'll be playing Tavern Brawl, right?

02:15:53.000 And right now they're doing one where it's like, the deck is, uh, the current Tavern Brawl is, you choose a class, you get some base cards, and you get Hallucinations, which generate, you know, three random cards from your opponent's class.

02:16:05.000 And then what happens when I'm playing, and every single time I use a Hallucination, it's a six or seven monocost card, and I can't even play anything, and then they're just dropping one, two, three drops, and they're just hitting me, ping, ping, ping, and then I can't even actually play the game.

02:16:16.000 Well, when you build your deck, are you building around the- No, no, these are Tavern Brawl.

02:16:18.000 Do you get meaning you get a you get a pre-built deck but random so there's a RNG in it

02:16:22.000 So the current brawl is giving you random cards and I'm like, what's the point of playing the game?

02:16:25.000 And you know what? I get it. It's RNG you play the game.

02:16:27.000 That's what you get So I'll just concede like okay fine. I get it game over. Mm-hmm

02:16:31.000 video games frustrate me Unfair randomness. Why did they frustrate you? So I I like

02:16:38.000 games where you can understand the system figure it out and then

02:16:45.000 Increase your ability like get better at the game and then do better

02:16:49.000 When there are certain games that are just like designed to frustrate you by You know, like, a good example of this problem was why the U.S.

02:16:58.000 did not release Super Mario Bros.

02:17:00.000 2 in the U.S.

02:17:01.000 They created something called, what was it called, like Doki Doki on the Panic or something?

02:17:05.000 The original Mario 2 for NES had a bunch of tricks in it that were meant to punish the player for no reason.

02:17:11.000 For instance, in the original Mario Bros., if you get a mushroom, you grow and it makes you strong.

02:17:15.000 In the second one that was in Japan, you would hit a box or whatever, and like a brownish-green mushroom would come out of purple, and it would kill you if you got it.

02:17:24.000 And the American companies, Nintendo of America said, but we just trained everybody how to play this game.

02:17:30.000 Now you're punishing them needlessly so they're frustrated before they even play.

02:17:34.000 The original Mario, the first world, shows you how the game works.

02:17:37.000 Jump on the bad guy, hit the brick, get the mushroom, get the star, it's all there.

02:17:41.000 Get the fire flower, the green mushroom gives you a life.

02:17:44.000 The second version was just ridiculously hard, and constantly trying to trick you.

02:17:48.000 Like, oh, you know that thing you normally get?

02:17:50.000 Oh, that one killed you!

02:17:51.000 Ha ha ha.

02:17:52.000 Yeah, so video games can frustrate me when they do that.

02:17:54.000 Thank you for the feedback.

02:17:57.000 Imagine if I said that after that big rant.

02:17:57.000 Oh!

02:18:00.000 I'd have given you a high five.

02:18:02.000 That would have been epic.

02:18:04.000 That would have been like perfect.

02:18:05.000 Either tonight or my life is a failure.

02:18:08.000 I'm still deciding to figure that out.

02:18:09.000 But at least I thought about it after.

02:18:11.000 We've got some Monday night quarterbacking or Monday morning quarterbacking.

02:18:15.000 Alright, let's, uh, let's, okay, we're gonna read one more.

02:18:17.000 I mean, we've gone definitely over and we got to do the members only stuff, but Daniel Bundrick says,

02:18:21.000 do you think the reason politicians don't solve problems is because problems are the reason they

02:18:25.000 get elevated to power to begin with? I call it the save the save the whales effect. Do we even need

02:18:30.000 Al Gore if we had nuclear? I certainly think non-profits, because I used to work for them,

02:18:36.000 are supposed to fail. The, and I'm Not fail, I'm sorry.

02:18:40.000 Go out of business.

02:18:41.000 So I used to work for these non-profits, and when you work for a small one, they say the goal of this non-profit is to go out of business.

02:18:48.000 We should not be needed.

02:18:50.000 However, what happens?

02:18:51.000 They grow, they get donations, and they find a new mission.

02:18:54.000 The mission changes.

02:18:55.000 Like, you know, Greenpeace.

02:18:56.000 I worked for them.

02:18:57.000 Their mission originally was to obstruct nuclear testing.

02:19:01.000 That's a pretty great mission, in my opinion, because nuclear testing was very destructive in a lot of ways.

02:19:06.000 Blanketed the Earth with radioactive materials and really affected a lot of how we do science.

02:19:11.000 What is it?

02:19:11.000 Like, reactive decay testing and things like that?

02:19:13.000 Now, it's like, one of the reasons I quit was it just kind of felt like whatever sounded good, they'd find a new thing to fight against.

02:19:20.000 So, I don't know.

02:19:21.000 That being said, I agree.

02:19:22.000 I think politicians certainly love problems, but I also think we never meet the end.

02:19:27.000 So there's always something to complain about.

02:19:29.000 There's always something that someone on YouTube will be upset about.

02:19:31.000 There's always some video to make.

02:19:33.000 It's one of the reasons I've started reducing the content on my other channels, because I actually am self-reflective and thought to myself, if I'm doing six segments a day, because honestly there's 50 things I could be watching, and as I often say, complaining about on the internet, It's probably not a good thing, and I should shift the focus in another direction, which is why I'm putting more effort in this, TimCastRL Podcast, TimCast.com, and it's why, honestly, this channel is doing better and growing, because it's where my energy is at.

02:19:56.000 I want to make sure we're having more substantive conversations, expressing different ideas, arguing with people on certain things, and not just being a, here's the latest thing I'm mad about today.

02:20:05.000 So, like, this episode was very much us having a discussion on government, politics, economics, philosophy, and less so us just screaming about, you know, What thing we particularly hate the most.

02:20:17.000 Although we are critical of a lot of things.

02:20:20.000 Is it black people in your case?

02:20:22.000 China. 0.64

02:20:25.000 I'm afraid when I watch the way the Nazis blitzkrieg into France, I think that maybe China could do that to the United States and that Russia wouldn't do anything about it. 0.55

02:20:34.000 And if Russia didn't do anything about it and India didn't, that would be probably China would take over the world. 0.97

02:20:38.000 But it's not going to be into the US.

02:20:39.000 It's not going to be like that.

02:20:40.000 Well, if they cut out our electricity grid, and if it all happened, I'm talking, they didn't expect them to go into France. 0.97

02:20:48.000 I hear you, I hear you.

02:20:49.000 I mean, if they want a piece of Tim Pool, you know, he'll be their huckleberry.

02:20:52.000 It terrifies me.

02:20:53.000 That's the most terrifying thing.

02:20:54.000 Then we're gonna go to the members only, my friends.

02:20:56.000 You gotta smash the like button.

02:20:57.000 I can't, you know, it breaks my heart every day.

02:21:00.000 You know, we I got to remember to say smash the like button when we first start because we really need those those

02:21:04.000 likes man It's it's this is the only reason I do this. I don't care

02:21:07.000 about the money I just look at the podcast every day and I'm looking at the

02:21:10.000 likes and if we get the likes then I get a dopamine Release, you know, it's I'm kidding. You know, there are a

02:21:15.000 lot of people like that though You don't get a dopamine kick from like a bunch of likes

02:21:19.000 not anymore Not anymore.

02:21:21.000 When I first started, I was really excited, like, seeing the views and everything.

02:21:23.000 Yeah.

02:21:24.000 But this is another thing about, like, I don't do weekends anymore, and I got rid of three segments per day, because it was, it's bad.

02:21:31.000 It's an addiction.

02:21:31.000 It's bad.

02:21:32.000 Like, social media is devastating to people, and people need to go outside more, and, like, we got chickens, you know what I mean?

02:21:38.000 Yeah.

02:21:39.000 You gotta get simple things, man.

02:21:40.000 This is not all that there is, but I do want to make sure I'm doing right by the people who watch and like this content and, you know, really do think it's valuable.

02:21:50.000 So we're actually expanding.

02:21:51.000 More importantly, I think, it can't just rely on me.

02:21:54.000 So when I was doing six segments, six individual segments every single day, no days off, and then Monday through Friday this show, I was like, yeah, I'll probably die and then what's left of

02:22:04.000 the company and the people who work here So we need to launch new shows new brands and that's what

02:22:08.000 we're gonna be doing soon So that being said my friends, thank you so much for

02:22:11.000 hanging out and thank you for smashing the like button Can I shout out some stuff like yes. Yeah. Sorry to

02:22:15.000 interrupt. Yes. That's all I do around. We'll do well well So go to TimCast.com for the exclusive segment we're going to do next.

02:22:23.000 And we're live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.

02:22:25.000 If you're listening on the podcast, leave us a good review because that also really helps.

02:22:28.000 All of this engagement and interaction, you're basically telling these companies, whether it's iTunes or whatever, like, hey, this is good stuff.

02:22:35.000 We really like this and it helps.

02:22:36.000 You can follow me.

02:22:37.000 All social media platforms at TimCast.

02:22:39.000 My other channels are YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News.

02:22:43.000 And Rukka's got some stuff to mention.

02:22:45.000 Uh, you know, I mean, I almost wasn't even gonna do this.

02:22:47.000 I, uh, I've been focusing more on, like, comedy, music, and stuff.

02:22:50.000 What I know that I've, uh, excelled at with pissing off plenty of people, but not necessarily you at home, so I think you might enjoy it.

02:22:57.000 Check out RuckaRucka Ollie.

02:22:59.000 Go to ruckasworld.com, by the way.

02:23:01.000 The Sargon vinyl, for a limited time, can be yours.

02:23:04.000 And if you want it signed, you know, get in touch with me.

02:23:06.000 Maybe we can work something out.

02:23:08.000 Uh, and, uh, you know, because I've had some great discussions with Tim in the past, I've, I decided I'll come on here and, uh, have this conversation.

02:23:14.000 So if you invite me somewhere and if I say no, it's nothing personal.

02:23:17.000 I'm just, I got my priorities focused right now, but I do do a podcast by the way, a few mornings a week or five days a week.

02:23:24.000 We got a revolving host, a host cast.

02:23:27.000 It's me, a hedge fund manager, a famous actor, and Nikos Sotirakopoulos.

02:23:33.000 And the podcast is called The Daily Objective, so subscribe to us at the Ayn Rand Center UK.

02:23:40.000 That's awesome, man.

02:23:41.000 Thanks for coming.

02:23:42.000 I want to hammer home, too, how important it is, I think, it is to talk about things you don't agree with.

02:23:48.000 And to have tolerance is very important.

02:23:51.000 We've got to be strong mentally in the next 20 years, probably more than in the last 200.

02:23:56.000 Well, we have to be as important, if not more.

02:23:58.000 We have to be serious people.

02:23:59.000 Yeah, we really got to start accepting each other for our differences as well as our strengths.

02:24:04.000 But I do think, like, You know, if you may disagree with, like, Rucka, imagine all of these leftists who refuse to watch this show just because they disagree with me.

02:24:14.000 Yeah, right.

02:24:15.000 Be a beacon of what you want other people to be.

02:24:17.000 Yeah, be resilient and listen to the ideas you disagree with so that you know what those ideas are.

02:24:23.000 You understand them.

02:24:24.000 And by listening to this show, maybe some people agree with you, and they've heard your argument with me, and they're like, that was a good point from Rucka, or maybe vice versa.

02:24:31.000 Now, the next time you hear that, you're gonna be like, actually, I heard this good point from this dude, and it makes you stronger and smarter.

02:24:36.000 I love the way you defend yourself.

02:24:38.000 That type of conviction and certainty needs to be recognized and applauded and that needs to be philosophically identified and we need to use that type of approach, looking at the facts and using logic.

02:24:50.000 By the way, you can hate the Chinese But you gotta love their food.

02:24:54.000 And thank you for all this hospitality.

02:24:55.000 It's only the CCP I'm a little nervous about.

02:24:58.000 The people are amazing.

02:24:59.000 It's the Communist Mono Party.

02:25:00.000 If they provide the type of food and hospitality you guys have given me while I've been here, then call me comrade.

02:25:07.000 Hey guys, follow me at iancrossland.net also if you want to.

02:25:10.000 Thanks.

02:25:11.000 Yeah, I was really glad to have Ali tonight and I think that having these kinds of conversations is really important.

02:25:18.000 This is way more important than sitting down and just blandly agreeing with someone.

02:25:21.000 I'm Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and mine's and I'm Real Sour Patch Lids on Instagram and Gab!

02:25:27.000 You know, whenever we have guests that people disagree with, they love to super chat the most to express themselves.

02:25:32.000 And I gotta say, I really respect that.

02:25:34.000 Yeah.

02:25:35.000 And we don't do it intentionally.

02:25:36.000 But what we do intentionally is try and bring in ideas that will be challenging.

02:25:41.000 But I absolutely am grateful to all the people who super chatted because they wanted to express themselves challenging certain ideas.

02:25:46.000 And thank y'all so much for hanging out.

02:25:47.000 We will have an exclusive Members Only segment coming up at TimCast.com for those that are interested.

02:25:52.000 And we will see you all there.

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