Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Hunter Biden Laptop Forwarded To Police over CHILD Exploitation Allegation

00:00:00.000 We now have the FBI and the DOJ agreeing with the Director of National Intelligence that

00:00:28.000 the Hunter Biden laptop and its contents are not part of a Russian disinformation campaign,

00:00:33.000 yet somehow our news media...

00:00:37.000 I should do air quotes for that.

00:00:38.000 They haven't gotten the memo, and I think it was on MSNBC, some guy was like, it's clearly Russian propaganda, and of course, CNN's still pushing the lie.

00:00:45.000 Because it's not journalism, it's anti-journalism.

00:00:49.000 It's not enough that they must not be journalists, they must actively be anti-journalists.

00:00:53.000 That's their thing, that's their motto.

00:00:55.000 So now we have another update.

00:00:56.000 Rudy Giuliani has said that he's transferred contents of the laptop that He believes shows child sexual exploitation to Delaware police.

00:01:04.000 And there are a lot of really interesting opinions about this because local cops are not feds.

00:01:09.000 They're not federal level.

00:01:11.000 So you're going to, so some people are saying you're going to end up with some regular old cop being like, I don't know, man, I saw this on the laptop and they're going to, they're going to testify as to exactly what they saw.

00:01:19.000 Whereas with, you know, FBI, there's concerns over partisanship, especially following Obamagate and all this stuff. 0.97

00:01:24.000 So we're going to talk all about the rushest nonsense, the media garbage.

00:01:29.000 There's this new thing with Rudy Giuliani and Borat, which is complete fake news as far as I understand it, claiming that he was trying to get down with some young journalist and he was caught. 0.95

00:01:38.000 As if that's a scandal anyway, but sure, they want to get a 70-something-year-old man in a bedroom with a secret camera.

00:01:43.000 That's on them.

00:01:44.000 Fun, I guess.

00:01:44.000 So joining me today to talk about this, of course, we've got Ian Crossland.

00:01:48.000 He's chilling.

00:01:48.000 What up?

00:01:49.000 And Sour Patch Lids is producing and all that.

00:01:52.000 I'm here in the corner.

00:01:53.000 And we have Drew Holden, who is the master of threads on Twitter.

00:01:56.000 It's because you put the thread emojis in everything you do, you know?

00:01:59.000 That's fair, I know, and I've got it in the bio, too.

00:02:01.000 I mean, it's my top emoji, I think, all the time now.

00:02:04.000 The threads?

00:02:05.000 Yeah.

00:02:05.000 So, smash the like button, subscribe, notification bell, show, Monday to Friday live, 8pm, blah blah blah, you know how it works.

00:02:12.000 And tomorrow's the debate, so we're going to be hanging out for the debate.

00:02:14.000 We won't have a show tomorrow, but we'll start with this, the Russian stuff, man.

00:02:17.000 And then we'll jump into the weird, creepy, Hunter Kids thing.

00:02:22.000 But I actually used one of your threads on Russian disinfo, I think it was today, maybe it was yesterday, where basically you have all of these media companies continually pushing this lie that the Hunter Biden laptop and the emails that implicate Joe Biden in these, you know, pay-for-play deals and using his son as an intermediary to cash in on his name, this is all Russian disinformation with no evidence.

00:02:45.000 That's the media today.

00:02:47.000 We were ragging on the media.

00:02:47.000 I don't know.

00:02:48.000 Why don't you just go ahead and rag on the media?

00:02:51.000 At this point, it's a knee-jerk thing, right?

00:02:53.000 We saw after everything happened with the Russian collusion narrative that if something comes out that's inconvenient or not politically expedient, particularly during an election, of course it's got to be the Russians.

00:03:04.000 Heaven forbid that Joe Biden's troubled son maybe did something wrong.

00:03:08.000 Maybe there's news out there that hurts Dems.

00:03:10.000 No, it's got to be Russia.

00:03:12.000 The first thing that comes out, they're like, it was Russia!

00:03:15.000 And everyone goes, oh!

00:03:16.000 And they're like, that's right.

00:03:17.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 The next thing that comes out, that was Russia too.

00:03:20.000 And they're like, really?

00:03:21.000 And the third thing, oh, and, and that, that too, huh?

00:03:24.000 Yeah, that was Russia.

00:03:24.000 And then finally they're like just doing their nails and they're like, oh yeah.

00:03:27.000 Like when you're, when you miss, when a sock is gone, it's only one in there.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 Russia, Russia took that.

00:03:33.000 And you're like, really, man?

00:03:35.000 Like, come on.

00:03:35.000 And they didn't even wait for a split second, right?

00:03:38.000 I know.

00:03:38.000 There was one report that there was investigations into—and who knows?

00:03:41.000 I mean, it was one unnamed source from the FBI said that it's being investigated as Russian disinformation.

00:03:46.000 And in a heartbeat, it went from there's an investigation into whether or not this could potentially be Russian disinformation to it is Russian disinformation.

00:03:54.000 Did you see what Politico wrote?

00:03:56.000 Yes, this is amazing.

00:03:57.000 The headline was like, former intelligence say this is a Russian disinformation campaign.

00:04:02.000 And then in the story, there's a quote, let me be clear, we have seen no evidence and have no reason to believe it's Russian disinformation.

00:04:09.000 But it smells like it.

00:04:11.000 It's incredible.

00:04:12.000 And so my favorite, so James Clapper, who I think has outed himself as a hardcore partisan who has One, a tenuous grasp on reality at best, and two, he's a political hack, right?

00:04:22.000 That's what he is.

00:04:23.000 He came out, the first night it came out, he was on CNN, and he said, this is textbook, by the book, Russian disinformation.

00:04:31.000 And it's, again, they're wired, I think so many of these people, to see something they don't like and assume that it has to be Russia, and so it's so easy for them to just take that Is it the best they can do?

00:04:40.000 narrative that blew up years ago.

00:04:41.000 I mean, like this is this isn't new stuff.

00:04:41.000 Right?

00:04:43.000 The idea that not everything bad is Russia is has been thoroughly debunked

00:04:47.000 for years and years and years, and they can't snap out of that schema to

00:04:50.000 approach everything in the world.

00:04:51.000 Is it the best they can do?

00:04:52.000 Like you'd think at this point they'd be like, it's actually, um, it's Uruguay.

00:04:57.000 At least they're China in there. 1.00

00:04:59.000 I mean, my god.

00:05:00.000 It shouldn't be that hard to think of something new.

00:05:02.000 It's New Zealand!

00:05:03.000 New Zealand interference.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:05.000 And it's just the lack of curiosity, I think, is really what kills me.

00:05:09.000 I think you were right to look at the filing nails, too.

00:05:12.000 These people don't care. 0.98

00:05:14.000 One of the reasons why it's so easy to make it Russian disinformation is the people who are hearing this story, it could be aliens.

00:05:19.000 They're not interested.

00:05:19.000 They do not care.

00:05:20.000 They may as well be.

00:05:21.000 Exactly.

00:05:22.000 They are fundamentally disinterested in whatever this is because it hurts their team.

00:05:26.000 It's like, it's like a new Red Scare almost.

00:05:28.000 Russia!

00:05:29.000 Could you imagine if we make it to the point where we have history on this era that's accurate?

00:05:33.000 They're gonna be like, and at some point, for some reason, all these Democrats thought Russia was around every corner.

00:05:37.000 I almost kind of envy some of these people, because life is boring, you know, in a lot of ways.

00:05:44.000 Could you imagine if we really lived in a world where it's like you were James Bond, and you go outside to get the newspaper, and there's like a Russian behind your garage, and he's like peeking at you, and you're like, Russia! 0.81

00:05:53.000 I see you!

00:05:55.000 And you wiggled your fist at him, and then he leaves, and then, you know, you're like, you go into your basement to get some, you know, extension cables, and there's like some Russians, and you're like pushing him with a broom, like, get out of here, you Russian! 0.99

00:06:05.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like, have you guys seen the TV show The Americans?

00:06:10.000 It's the same thing, where you've got like, it's a suburban household, and you've got, sorry if I'm spoiling this, I think they get to it in season one, there are like these undercover KGB agents back in the Cold War, and it's like, yeah, wow, that's exciting!

00:06:20.000 Don't you wish?

00:06:20.000 Like, wouldn't it be And so much of this too, I think we see it with the BLM movement, we see it with lots of different people, there is this desire to have a life that is meaningful and interesting.

00:06:29.000 And where we live in such hot and heady times, it can be really easy to say, it's similar to that we're living in the most important, most consequential election of our lifetime.

00:06:39.000 If you can convince yourself time and time again that the things that are happening are not as boring as they appear, And they are exciting, and they involve you, and you're in the thick of it, like if you're a journalist.

00:06:49.000 Of course they're gonna do that.

00:06:50.000 Of course that's more exciting.

00:06:51.000 Dude, it's gang stalking.

00:06:52.000 You know what gang stalking is?

00:06:54.000 That's... no.

00:06:55.000 So it's, it's, uh, there are people who are afflicted by this paranoid delusion that agents are stalking them.

00:07:02.000 Ah.

00:07:02.000 And after 9-11, there was a big surge of people believing government agents were stalking them.

00:07:07.000 So, some people believe it was born and bred out of online conspiracy theories about the Illuminati and the government.

00:07:14.000 Right now, that same phenomenon is happening, but with white supremacists.

00:07:19.000 So, I was reading an article about this, really interesting.

00:07:21.000 It was Jonathan Kaye from Quillette.

00:07:23.000 I saw him post about this and I was like, that's a really good point.

00:07:26.000 And he mentions that when you look at these threads where the people are like, the white supremacists are hunting me and they're targeting my family and sending us letters and things, it is the exact same narrative as the agents.

00:07:38.000 But here's the thing.

00:07:38.000 Interesting.

00:07:39.000 When you tell someone I'm being stalked by agents, they think you're crazy.

00:07:42.000 Right. 0.99

00:07:43.000 But if you're an activist and you say white supremacists, they go, oh man, these white supremacists are such a big problem. 0.97

00:07:48.000 So right now, there's a story USA Today wrote about this.

00:07:50.000 Some dude, I think, in the Pacific Northwest filed a lawsuit against a whole bunch of, like, conservative entities.

00:07:55.000 And, like, right-wing entities and individuals.

00:07:57.000 The person has no idea who they are.

00:07:59.000 Saying that they're infringing on his rights and making it unsafe for him to go outside, and so he's gotta sue.

00:08:03.000 It is...

00:08:05.000 Russia is the Resistance Democrats gang-stalking paranoia. 0.58

00:08:09.000 The Russians are everywhere. 0.98

00:08:10.000 Could you imagine Vladimir Putin hiding in your basement, and everyone who tweets at you is clearly working for Putin?

00:08:18.000 This is a whole new level.

00:08:20.000 Back in the 2000s, you had people who were like, you're an agent!

00:08:24.000 There's agents everywhere!

00:08:26.000 Now that we're very online, it's the exact same thing, but they're going, Russia! 0.99

00:08:30.000 Russians!

00:08:31.000 I think for a lot of people it's really easy because if you see the world as fundamentally black and white.

00:08:34.000 like I think Donald Trump is evil and you'll comment well I just disagree with

00:08:38.000 that and they'll say you must be a Russian yes Russian bots every Russian

00:08:41.000 yeah and again it's I think for a lot of people it's really easy because if you

00:08:46.000 see the world is fundamentally black and white everything's good everything or

00:08:49.000 everything is bad then yes of course everything that doesn't go your way is

00:08:53.000 God has got to be something malicious It's Putin, or it's the Little Green Men, or whatever it is.

00:08:59.000 But it's so easy, I think, to get wrapped up in that sort of a narrative.

00:09:03.000 And right now, you've got an entire media ecosystem that is hooked on this.

00:09:07.000 Why did they not choose China?

00:09:10.000 Russia's a democracy.

00:09:11.000 I don't know if it's a real democracy, but they overthrew the communists.

00:09:15.000 Because they don't want to actually injure their partners, do they?

00:09:18.000 Biden likes them.

00:09:19.000 Yeah.

00:09:20.000 Biden does like them.

00:09:21.000 Do you remember when he was naming all our global enemies and in the end he was like, and China's doing their thing? 0.90

00:09:25.000 And they're not a competition for us.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:27.000 That's what it was.

00:09:28.000 And we have these emails where a company called CEFC, it was a Chinese, it was an energy firm.

00:09:34.000 Yes.

00:09:34.000 And there was an email saying H will hold 10% for the big guy.

00:09:40.000 And apparently, I guess, Fox News reached out to people on the email chain who confirmed the big guy was Joe Biden.

00:09:46.000 So Joe Biden... Let's stop all that real quick.

00:09:49.000 And let me just ask you a question.

00:09:51.000 Why did Hunter Biden fly on Air Force Two to China to negotiate a private equity deal?

00:09:56.000 Isn't that bad?

00:09:57.000 Right.

00:09:57.000 And that's like a well-known thing.

00:09:59.000 There's photos of him on the plane.

00:10:02.000 Okay, that's bad enough.

00:10:04.000 If you were to tell me, following those meetings, Joe Biden was telling his son, I want a cut, I'd be like, makes sense, he was the one giving the ride on government property.

00:10:12.000 So now we get these emails where Hunter Biden is doing a deal with Chinese officials, and they're all part of the Communist Party, because if you're going to do anything, you're a member or whatever.

00:10:22.000 And then they say, you know, 20 for H, 20 for L, and 10 for, uh, held by H for the big guy.

00:10:28.000 And everyone's like, I wonder who the big guy is.

00:10:31.000 The first story comes out insinuating, could this have been Joe Biden?

00:10:35.000 Then Fox News reached out to someone on the email chain, asked, and they said, yep, that was Joe Biden.

00:10:40.000 So you want to know why Joe Biden and the Democrats or whatever won't say China's doing it?

00:10:44.000 Because they're cutting sweet deals, man.

00:10:46.000 They've been setting up factories for decades, taking our jobs, moving them overseas, and they're in on that deal.

00:10:53.000 It's lucrative for them.

00:10:54.000 My question with all of these people is, how did they enter public service, getting paid, at the time, 47 years ago, probably wasn't even getting six figures.

00:11:03.000 Now he's a millionaire.

00:11:05.000 I get it, maybe in the past four years he did book deals and speaking tours and stuff, but this is somebody who made wealth off of public service.

00:11:13.000 I'm not a fan of that. 0.96

00:11:14.000 More importantly, in response, finally Joe Biden responds to these emails, and he was like, first of all he goes, it's really nuts, these journalists are terrified to even ask him questions, it's pathetic. 0.73

00:11:25.000 And then he's like, you know, he was asked, did your son make money off the family name? 0.91

00:11:29.000 That's untrue, that's a smear!

00:11:31.000 And then The Daily Caller plays the clip from last year where Hunter Biden's like, he gets asked by a journalist, do you think you would have been put on the board of Burisma if your name wasn't Biden?

00:11:41.000 And he goes, I don't know.

00:11:42.000 I don't know.

00:11:43.000 Probably not.

00:11:44.000 There's probably a lot of things in my life that I, you know, he said probably every part of my life has been influenced by the fact that I'm, you know, the son of the vice president or whatever.

00:11:53.000 So, of course, the only reason they hired the guy, and it's like it's in the correspondence, he knows it.

00:11:58.000 Right, exactly.

00:11:58.000 He's even talked about leveraging his name to get more money, like, I can talk to the big guy, if you know what I mean.

00:12:04.000 So, correct me if I'm wrong, because you probably followed a lot of this with the Michael Flynn stuff.

00:12:09.000 I remember reading that, I think it was Sally Yates, Someone said they were really concerned about Michael Flynn when he said Russia isn't our biggest threat, China is.

00:12:19.000 And that prompted them to start spying and investigating him and whatever.

00:12:23.000 But he was right.

00:12:24.000 Yeah.

00:12:25.000 Even Obama called Russia what a regional power.

00:12:27.000 Yeah.

00:12:28.000 And now all of a sudden Russia is the most powerful villain on the planet? 0.99

00:12:31.000 Oh, please.

00:12:32.000 And remember what he said to Romney too in the debates.

00:12:35.000 Romney was talking about why Russia is our biggest geopolitical foe,

00:12:38.000 and Obama laughs at him and he goes, take your Cold War ideology, this, that, and the other

00:12:43.000 thing and get rid of it. 1.00

00:12:44.000 Like it's...

00:12:44.000 The 1980s are calling.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the 80s are calling and they want their foreign policy back.

00:12:47.000 Like this is...

00:12:48.000 Like Russia was never... 0.62

00:12:50.000 Post-Cold War, Russia has never been that big of an issue.

00:12:53.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:12:54.000 I can't even believe I'm saying that as someone who's like a pretty committed Russia hawk.

00:12:57.000 But it's insane the way that they can blow them up into a boogeyman and a bad guy who's hiding behind every rock, who is out there waiting in the wings to disrupt whatever it is.

00:13:08.000 And at the end of the day, all that does is help Russia. 0.85

00:13:11.000 If you follow the case out, all that does, if all of us are sitting here scared by Russia, you know who's just had an incredible return on their investment?

00:13:17.000 Russia.

00:13:18.000 I have a really good idea.

00:13:18.000 Putin.

00:13:19.000 I want to animate a little cartoon where it's Brian Stelter with a push broom and he's like, you know, trying to clean up and there's little Putins running around and he's like trying to, you know, shuffle them out of the room and he's like, you know, puts his hands on his hips like... Amazing. 1.00

00:13:33.000 Little Putin's running around and they're like knocking things over and making a mess and he's like, oh, yeah, that'd be funny That's good.

00:13:40.000 It's it's it's a more hokey and family-friendly version of where they actually live I think to them it's more like Slenderman.

00:13:45.000 You remember Slenderman?

00:13:46.000 Oh, of course.

00:13:47.000 You know what that was?

00:13:50.000 It was like a game I guess or I don't know it was a creepypasta and then there was like a game where yeah You're like walking around this really nightmarish looking woods and then all of a sudden you turn around and Slenderman Slenderman is right there in front of you and you're like,

00:14:00.000 ah, that's what it's like for them You know, they're like, you know, they open their

00:14:03.000 refrigerator to put the milk away and Putin's in there Because easy right? Yeah, it's uncomplicated right? I think

00:14:10.000 when like if you if you've got a weight into the China stuff

00:14:12.000 It becomes a lot harder. You've got an ascended power We don't really know what to do where we're entangled with

00:14:16.000 them in so many different ways Russia's easy Russia's been the bad guy for 60 70 years 0.94

00:14:19.000 like since the end of World War two Russia has always been a super

00:14:22.000 Give me a bad guy And all you have to do is plug it into the James Bond sort

00:14:25.000 of mentality of like look these are the same bad guys This is the Cold War redux where it's happening all over again.

00:14:31.000 And I think part of it is they just got hooked.

00:14:33.000 Like, it happened once and it worked, right?

00:14:34.000 They were able to sell the American people, unfortunately, really, really well and really, really convincingly that it is Russia, they're the bad guy, they're the threat, and they're not going away. 0.81

00:14:43.000 And so now, when something new comes out, it's so easy to just take that idea and drop it right into this narrative they've already gotten.

00:14:49.000 This is really great interaction between the Washington Examiner's chief congressional correspondent, Suzanne Ferrecchio, I'm probably pronouncing her name wrong, torches Brian Stelter for dismissing Hunter Biden news, defending Russia coverage.

00:15:03.000 This is really, really, really interesting.

00:15:04.000 So we have this tweet from the Washington Examiner, where Ferrecchio, it says, discusses media's treatment of the Steele dossier versus Hunter Biden's email.

00:15:11.000 Saying, now we have ethics?

00:15:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:15:13.000 And Brian Stelter of CNN goes, don't you dare.

00:15:15.000 Don't you act like newsrooms didn't have ethics in 2017 and 18.

00:15:19.000 They didn't!

00:15:21.000 And you know who doesn't now?

00:15:22.000 Brian Stelter.

00:15:23.000 Yes. 0.87

00:15:24.000 That dude is one of the most unethical and duplicitous people on TV.

00:15:27.000 And I've made his acquaintance on several occasions.

00:15:31.000 And it's amazing how far he's gone in taking this role at CNN.

00:15:36.000 He's effectively gone from a media critic of the New York Times to a reality TV show about how the Russians are out to get you, and Donald Trump is evil, and that's all the show is.

00:15:46.000 He brings on echo chamber personalities.

00:15:48.000 He doesn't bring anyone to challenge his worldview.

00:15:50.000 I'll tell you, to be honest, I've been trying to book leftists to come on the show.

00:15:53.000 They don't do it.

00:15:54.000 They won't.

00:15:55.000 They love to publicly say, like, I'll go on your show, and then privately, actually, I don't go on your show.

00:15:59.000 We've got one for next week.

00:16:01.000 Oh, we do?

00:16:01.000 We do.

00:16:02.000 Oh, excellent.

00:16:02.000 Well, don't say who it is, because then they'll cancel.

00:16:05.000 They'll get attacked by people.

00:16:06.000 Seriously.

00:16:07.000 So, I mean, I would like to have a challenge, you know, or at least different perspectives.

00:16:12.000 I don't care where they come from.

00:16:14.000 Now, all they do on CNN is regurgitate the same talking points, and Brian Sauter will be like, so this is Russia, isn't it?

00:16:21.000 And that's absolutely correct, Brian.

00:16:22.000 This is 100% Russia. 0.93

00:16:24.000 And we have a conservative here, and the conservative goes, I'm actually a conservative, though I support Joe Biden, and I also agree it was Russia.

00:16:30.000 Yes, exactly.

00:16:31.000 The range of perspectives is like the super apologetic Lincoln Project out to Che Guevara or so, and it doesn't make sense to me.

00:16:41.000 Getting back to the Steele dossier points, I think this is a good one. 1.00

00:16:43.000 Don't forget, too, it wasn't just that the Steele dossier was accurate or that it was valuable or it was good.

00:16:48.000 They made this thing into a reality TV show itself.

00:16:52.000 Jane Mayer had that super long piece in the New Yorker, New York Mag, where she talked all about Christopher Steele's background.

00:16:58.000 They made a hero out of this guy.

00:16:59.000 Not everything!

00:17:00.000 All of it!

00:17:01.000 I remember, because I obviously have a thread on this, too.

00:17:03.000 Oh, we've got to slow down.

00:17:05.000 Probably a lot of people don't know what the Steele Dossier is.

00:17:07.000 Good, you're right.

00:17:08.000 So, Steele Dossier, way back when, in the early aughts of 2015-2016, which oddly, I can't believe I'm saying this, seems like simpler times, right?

00:17:18.000 At least there wasn't a global pandemic.

00:17:20.000 I don't know.

00:17:20.000 I think things were simpler.

00:17:22.000 The Clinton campaign reached out to a former MI5, so British intelligence, individual named Christopher Steele, who as part of a team of individuals pulled together what was meant to be originally an oppo doc that then I think the Republicans got their hand in.

00:17:36.000 This guy Steele basically got contractors by Clinton.

00:17:38.000 It was like to smear Trump.

00:17:40.000 Background, it was supposed to be damaging background on Trump.

00:17:42.000 And so when it first broke news, BuzzFeed was the one who got their hands on the content and they pretty, you know, unscrupulously pushed all of this out.

00:17:50.000 Steele at the time, I guess kind of to his credit, said, listen, I can't speak for all of the underlying allegations here.

00:17:56.000 I think whenever you pull together a dossier like this, you're relying on secondhand sources.

00:18:00.000 You don't know the veracity of all the information that might live here, but I think it's probably 85% true. 0.95

00:18:05.000 Wasn't in the Steele dossier like accusations that Donald Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed? 0.96

00:18:10.000 This is where the pee tape comes from. 0.99

00:18:11.000 This is where the pee tape comes from.

00:18:13.000 And it was the bed that, if you remember the story, this was the bed that Michelle and Barack Obama

00:18:18.000 slept in when they were there too.

00:18:20.000 Like it's, again, like we laugh at it now because it's so palpably absurd.

00:18:24.000 I laughed back then.

00:18:25.000 But it's insane because so many people, particularly in the media, they bought it.

00:18:29.000 And there were so many people too who would look at it and say,

00:18:31.000 well, maybe the pee tape isn't true.

00:18:33.000 But the rest of this stuff, all this underlying information,

00:18:35.000 he said that he was in Russia.

00:18:37.000 And this is where you get.

00:18:37.000 He was in Russia.

00:18:38.000 You've got all of these unsubstantiated allegations floating around.

00:18:42.000 A lot of them sound bad.

00:18:43.000 No kidding.

00:18:44.000 It's oppo research.

00:18:44.000 The whole point is that it's supposed to sound bad.

00:18:46.000 And the guy in charge of pulling it all together says, I don't know if all this is true, but our entire media ecosystem, because this was in the hot and heady days right after the 2016 election.

00:18:56.000 Turbocharged all that directly into the mainstream narrative about Trump. 0.96

00:18:59.000 It's almost like a circle of jerks were spreading information among each other. 0.98

00:19:05.000 Very much like a certain individual who recently enjoyed a CNN analyst who enjoyed a bit of personal tubing. 0.99

00:19:14.000 So check it out.

00:19:19.000 This, uh, from, uh, Suzanne, um, or Susan, uh, Ferretchio from The Examiner is criticizing the media for not taking the Hunter Biden laptop seriously.

00:19:30.000 There's, there's photos of Hunter Biden with his dad on Air Force Two.

00:19:34.000 Like, we know he went, we know he was on the board of BRISMA.

00:19:37.000 So now he's accused of being corrupt, okay?

00:19:40.000 Well, the guy who founded BRISMA was corrupt.

00:19:42.000 They're, like, at the very least, Joe Biden's son was on the board of a company that was founded by a super corrupt dude who has fled the country now twice.

00:19:51.000 Yeah.

00:19:51.000 There's at least a little bit of corroboration that maybe we can ask about what Hunter Biden was doing.

00:19:56.000 No, it's a smear.

00:19:57.000 He did nothing wrong.

00:19:58.000 Giuliani just put basically his career on the line.

00:20:01.000 His entire, I mean, what would you call his legacy?

00:20:04.000 Everything that he's done is now on the line.

00:20:06.000 He said that there was illegal stuff on there involving Hunter Biden.

00:20:11.000 Oh, now we're getting into the bad stuff.

00:20:13.000 Let's go for it.

00:20:14.000 Let's pull it up.

00:20:16.000 Yikes.

00:20:16.000 From the Examiner.

00:20:17.000 Washington Examiner.

00:20:18.000 Rudy Giuliani says he sent alleged sexually explicit materials involving underage girls from Hunter Biden to Delaware police.

00:20:27.000 This is the Examiner.

00:20:28.000 So here's what we know.

00:20:29.000 Giuliani said he did it.

00:20:32.000 And is that news in and of itself?

00:20:34.000 Well, just the news reached out to the police and the police said we did forward the materials to the FBI.

00:20:39.000 I'm sorry, the State Department of Justice.

00:20:43.000 Does it mean we have evidence?

00:20:45.000 No.

00:20:46.000 Does it mean Hunter Biden is guilty?

00:20:47.000 No, he's innocent until proven guilty.

00:20:48.000 And I haven't seen anything.

00:20:50.000 Now, the challenge with this is no one's going to publish any explicit photographs of an underage.

00:20:54.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:20:56.000 So the question now is like, what do we do 13 days out from an election with this material?

00:21:02.000 So it's there.

00:21:03.000 I mean, let me read a little bit.

00:21:05.000 They say, Rudy Giuliani said on Tuesday that he shared allegedly explicit materials involving underage girls from Hunter Biden with police in Delaware.

00:21:12.000 The text messages and photos discussed by Giuliani, a personal lawyer to President Trump and former New York City mayor, appear to have been found in a laptop hard drive that purportedly belonged to Hunter Biden.

00:21:22.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:21:23.000 Those computer materials are already in possession of the FBI.

00:21:25.000 Quote, there's a text message to Hunter's father in which he says the following, and he's discussing his sister-in-law, who for quite some time was his lover, Giuliani told Newsmax.

00:21:35.000 Setting up the background for the exchange, he says, she told my therapist that I was sexually inappropriate.

00:21:40.000 This would be with an unnamed 14-year-old girl, and that's what Biden was apparently saying.

00:21:45.000 Now, I wanna stop there.

00:21:47.000 Hunter is saying to Joe, she accused me of this.

00:21:51.000 That doesn't mean he was accused of it, doesn't mean there's any photos, so we don't know for sure.

00:21:55.000 And that's what Giuliani has actually shown.

00:21:58.000 Right.

00:21:59.000 Giuliani, if there was photos, he's not gonna hold up a photograph for a camera.

00:22:02.000 So it is a conundrum, but I'll tell you this.

00:22:06.000 I don't believe, no matter what you think of Rudy Giuliani, he's fabricating these things.

00:22:12.000 I'm willing to bet he gave some stuff to the police.

00:22:14.000 Now the question is, how serious is it?

00:22:16.000 We won't know.

00:22:17.000 Right.

00:22:17.000 And here's the thing too, like the idea that it's fabricated, right?

00:22:19.000 Even setting aside anyone's personal feelings about Giuliani, that would be a felony.

00:22:23.000 And not just any felony, like that would catch him in an enormous amount of very, very public legal penalty and legal problem.

00:22:29.000 And so the idea that he would make all this up and fabricate it, like somebody, he's gotta be smart enough to know that if he does that, someone will find it.

00:22:35.000 Someone will find it in the end.

00:22:37.000 I think so.

00:22:37.000 Maybe.

00:22:37.000 Right?

00:22:38.000 But think about this.

00:22:39.000 You know, James O'Keefe brought this up, that it feels like the New York Times and these media outlets are smearing him with outright and obvious lies because we got two weeks to the election, so just let her rip and deal with it later.

00:22:49.000 Exactly, because that's the thing.

00:22:51.000 If you want, whether you're in the media or whether you're in politics or whatever it is, if you want Biden to win, now is not the time to be curious.

00:22:59.000 Right?

00:23:00.000 You don't want to be curious about any of this.

00:23:02.000 And so I think, you know, there's a little bit of a, the ends justify the means, I think, going on in a lot of people's heads, where even the idea, like, let's say, and I don't think this will happen, but let's say it all comes out to be bunk.

00:23:12.000 It's all fake.

00:23:13.000 If you're a journalist at the New York Times or CNN, and you start poking around and start raising the profile of this thing, and it actually is disinformation, again, no evidence that it is, but in these people's minds, if it's disinformation, then they're doing what Comey did last cycle.

00:23:25.000 They're giving weight to people to vote Against Biden in the run-up to an election, and they're too scared to even touch it, I think.

00:23:34.000 If they report on it, in any capacity, it's out there.

00:23:39.000 And you're not going to reach every single person, so the media, being at this point an apparatus of the Democratic Party, is just shutting up.

00:23:47.000 Whereas an actual news outlet's gonna be like, I don't care when it is.

00:23:51.000 I don't care what's happening.

00:23:53.000 Let's talk about this story.

00:23:54.000 So my position's been basically, is this dirty politics?

00:23:59.000 Oh, you betcha.

00:24:00.000 They're releasing this information in October on purpose.

00:24:03.000 They want to help Trump win.

00:24:05.000 Does that mean Hunter Biden is innocent?

00:24:08.000 No, this is pretty damning information.

00:24:10.000 And Joe Biden seems to be involved in these pay-for-play kind of things.

00:24:15.000 I think they wait until the very last minute to influence an election, because that's what they do.

00:24:20.000 That's what Hillary Clinton was doing with OPPO research and the Steele dossier. 1.00

00:24:22.000 It's dirty politics.

00:24:24.000 Now, what are we as citizens supposed to do when we find out at the very last minute, the 11th hour, that Joe Biden might be selling his name, using his son as an intermediary to bypass laws?

00:24:34.000 Potentially a loophole.

00:24:36.000 Oh, man.

00:24:37.000 Don't vote for him, I guess.

00:24:39.000 And so there's a question of, is it good that they waited this long so that it's fresh in our minds?

00:24:39.000 That's the first thing you do.

00:24:46.000 Because if they publish this information months ago, everyone will forget about it.

00:24:49.000 Yeah, it'd be buried by now.

00:24:52.000 No debate moderator is going to touch it.

00:24:54.000 It's going to go down the memory hole and we're all going to forget about it.

00:24:57.000 Now Trump's going to bring it up tomorrow.

00:25:00.000 Mr. Trump, we want to talk to you about Black Lives Matter and he's going to go, Hunter Biden's laptop has photographs of underage... The problem is, if he did, that doesn't have anything to do with Joe.

00:25:11.000 In my opinion, if Hunter is a scheming narcissist, a dirty, underage, girl-doing guy, It's not Joe Biden. 0.84

00:25:20.000 But if Biden's involved with Burisma, that's a problem. 0.92

00:25:23.000 No, the CEFC is the bigger deal in my opinion.

00:25:25.000 That's the Chinese. 0.99

00:25:26.000 They went under, my understanding is.

00:25:28.000 The thing about Burisma is that they've tried to debunk this to an uptenth degree.

00:25:34.000 It's like, you know, oh, Joe was doing it because the international community thought

00:25:37.000 Shoken was bad or whatever.

00:25:39.000 And I'm like, yeah, okay, how about the China email?

00:25:42.000 I saw this one dude I know, he posted, Joe Biden may be meeting an executive from Ukrainian company is the worst October surprise I've ever seen.

00:25:52.000 And it's responded with, the best I've seen was the email indicating Joe Biden was using his son as an intermediary to receive Chinese equity through a loophole, essentially.

00:26:02.000 That's the big, that's the crazy.

00:26:05.000 But I'll tell you what, if Joe Biden came out when this email dropped and these emails dropped, when the laptop dropped and the emails dropped, and he said, I think everybody knows at this point that I have a troubled son, and I think many people in this country have dealt with addiction and struggled through that, and they understand what it's like to have a loved one who does as well, and I would respect, you know, ask for privacy, and then if he actually was honest, addressed it, wasn't angry and snapping, no, you're lying!

00:26:30.000 No, you're smearing me!

00:26:31.000 Rawr!

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:32.000 And he actually just, he owned up to it.

00:26:34.000 It would have worked in his favor.

00:26:35.000 Agreed.

00:26:35.000 He would have been a sympathetic dad who's got his troubled kid that he's trying, and you know what, man?

00:26:40.000 He really could have played it up if he said, Hunter's his only son now, right?

00:26:44.000 Because after Beau passed.

00:26:45.000 After Beau passed, yeah.

00:26:46.000 If he said, I had a son, Beau Biden, who passed, it was cancer, I believe, right?

00:26:50.000 Yeah.

00:26:51.000 And he says, and now my only child has these addictions, these problems, and is struggling, and I'm doing everything in my power to keep him safe and protect him, and it's causing great struggles through my family, and I will do anything for my son.

00:27:06.000 That would have been sympathetic.

00:27:08.000 People would have been like, this poor guy.

00:27:09.000 This poor guy.

00:27:11.000 And there's so many people in this country who probably can sympathize with having a messed up kid, but knowing they still love him and will do anything for him.

00:27:17.000 Instead, what's ended up happening with Joe Biden is he snaps at reporters, he refuses to take questions, and it makes it seem like he's the mastermind using his son to make cash.

00:27:26.000 Yeah.

00:27:27.000 And he's obviously denigrating reporters too, right?

00:27:29.000 This happened with Beau What's-His-Face from CBS.

00:27:32.000 It would be one thing if he said, hey, you know what?

00:27:34.000 That's not appropriate.

00:27:35.000 And then jumped into what you had just mentioned, right?

00:27:36.000 And talked about a very, unfortunately and tragically American story about what it's like to have a loved one who's battling addiction.

00:27:42.000 You're right, that's the sort of thing that millions and millions and millions of Americans

00:27:47.000 can relate to in a deeply sympathetic way.

00:27:49.000 But the fact is, he clams up, he shuts down, and he gets mad at a reporter for even having

00:27:54.000 the gall to ask.

00:27:55.000 And it does, it makes it look like he's got something to hide because the...

00:27:59.000 I think he does.

00:28:00.000 But I mean, Biden's been in public life for 47 years.

00:28:03.000 He's answered, probably not lately, but he's answered tough questions in front of the media.

00:28:06.000 He's been media trained.

00:28:07.000 There's a super easy way to pivot.

00:28:09.000 And the fact that he's not taking it as someone seeking the highest office in the land, it does smell bad.

00:28:13.000 Well, I can say there's two different ways to look at it.

00:28:16.000 One, he's lost it.

00:28:17.000 He's lost his edge.

00:28:17.000 Also a good point.

00:28:18.000 I mean, come on, man.

00:28:19.000 The dude's 78 now, or is he still 77?

00:28:21.000 77.

00:28:21.000 I don't know his birthday is.

00:28:24.000 He doesn't have it anymore, you know?

00:28:27.000 Speaking of things we're not allowed to talk about, right?

00:28:29.000 What?

00:28:29.000 His age?

00:28:30.000 Yeah, no, it's his mental health and his son's emails.

00:28:32.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:28:33.000 Those are the two off-topics.

00:28:34.000 Let me tell you, man.

00:28:34.000 And Tara Reade.

00:28:35.000 I want to talk about that.

00:28:36.000 Oh, that's right.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, Tara Reade.

00:28:38.000 Well, well. 0.98

00:28:39.000 Rape.

00:28:40.000 Allegedly. 0.95

00:28:40.000 Sexually assaulted. 0.95

00:28:41.000 Assault.

00:28:42.000 Well, whatever.

00:28:42.000 So, listen, listen.

00:28:43.000 Same thing.

00:28:44.000 I'm 34 and I skateboard all the time.

00:28:46.000 And it's funny when, like, people comment and they're like, man, Tim, for someone in your 30s, you still got it.

00:28:50.000 And I'm like, dude, when I was 19, I would jump off a building and, like, bounce on the ground and then get back up and be like, yeah.

00:28:54.000 I'm 34 and I'm not doing that.

00:28:55.000 I'm skating ramps.

00:28:56.000 It's easier on the knees and stuff.

00:28:57.000 Amazing.

00:28:58.000 Listen.

00:28:59.000 Skateboarding is something you can do really, really well when you're in your late teens and early 20s.

00:29:03.000 And then every skateboarder knows when you're in your 30s, you kind of chill out a little bit.

00:29:06.000 But there are some pro skaters who are still in their 50s and they're doing really, really well.

00:29:10.000 But we all understand how sports works.

00:29:12.000 How long do you play football or basketball for?

00:29:14.000 Joe Biden is 77.

00:29:16.000 He's not sharp anymore.

00:29:18.000 He can't handle this.

00:29:19.000 So maybe he used to be able to handle tough questions, and now he can't.

00:29:23.000 So he gets bits of... You know what it is?

00:29:25.000 When people's brains don't work and they can't recall, and they feel constrained by their lack of ability, they get angry.

00:29:32.000 They get angry.

00:29:33.000 I see this with men a lot, yeah.

00:29:33.000 Right?

00:29:35.000 With dementia, right?

00:29:35.000 With dementia.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, I can only imagine how frustrating it is to be standing there and you're like, think, why can't I think?

00:29:42.000 Why can't I... What do I say?

00:29:43.000 I'm just sick of this!

00:29:44.000 No! 1.00

00:29:45.000 Shut your mouth! 0.99

00:29:45.000 And in front of the whole world, too, right? 0.99

00:29:47.000 It's not like he's just a guy going about his life or whatever.

00:29:49.000 He's also a plagiarist.

00:29:53.000 He dropped out because he got caught plagiarizing in his presidential bid.

00:30:01.000 Did you see the Johnny Carson thing?

00:30:03.000 No.

00:30:03.000 It's a really great bit from... What did Carson host?

00:30:06.000 The Tonight Show?

00:30:07.000 Late show?

00:30:09.000 I don't know.

00:30:10.000 He's like, did you see this?

00:30:12.000 Joseph Biden's dropped out after he was caught plagiarizing.

00:30:15.000 He apparently took some words from a British politician, used them as his own.

00:30:18.000 And well, to reassure his staff, he said, listen, there's nothing to fear, but fear itself.

00:30:22.000 So good.

00:30:24.000 Classic.

00:30:25.000 That's good.

00:30:26.000 Back when stand-up was good.

00:30:27.000 But then, didn't Biden recently... No, no, yeah, he's been plagiarizing a lot.

00:30:31.000 Wasn't there something recently he did?

00:30:32.000 Yeah, I was scratching my brain for that, too.

00:30:34.000 Canadian polish.

00:30:36.000 Oh, right, right.

00:30:37.000 Let me go back to the first point I was trying to make about the emails, is that he may just be dull and unable, and it's really frustrating to, like, not be able to do it anymore.

00:30:45.000 Sure.

00:30:46.000 But the other thing may be that he's in on it, and he knows what he was doing, and he's freaking out!

00:30:51.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:30:51.000 And so he's getting asked, and he's like, Shut your mouth! 0.97

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 And I mean, that's the thing too, like it's, it looks like, I think that obviously it all looks bad, but can you imagine if anyone in good faith in the media or whatever it is, if they actually thought that this was something that was, that was a non-story, if they actually spent some time to, to look into it, I think one of the reasons it looks so bad and him looking frustrated looks so bad is everyone is saying, don't look, don't look in the corner, don't look in the corner.

00:31:17.000 And so what are your eyes going to do?

00:31:18.000 They're going to drive into the corner.

00:31:20.000 Like there's nothing else for them to do.

00:31:21.000 And so when you have this concerted effort around it to make sure that no one is looking at this thing that like, I don't know, it's the 800 pound elephant in the room.

00:31:28.000 But you know what the media is looking at right now?

00:31:31.000 What?

00:31:31.000 Rudy Giuliani.

00:31:33.000 Tucking in his shirt.

00:31:34.000 Oh yeah, they're trying to smear Giuliani.

00:31:36.000 This is amazing.

00:31:38.000 The Russia thing fell apart, that's why.

00:31:40.000 So, here's what's fascinating.

00:31:42.000 There's illicit, illicitly obtained footage of Giuliani, and there's a photo that was published where he's leaning back on a bed with his hand, like, partially down his pants.

00:31:53.000 And I was reading the story and it said, because these news outlets want to insinuate something, but they struggle to because they'll get sued.

00:32:01.000 And it said Giuliani laid back and fiddled with his untucked shirt.

00:32:05.000 As if to imply what?

00:32:07.000 The photos make it look, they're trying to make it seem like Giuliani got caught by Sacha Baron Cohen trying to like hook up with a young journalist or something in a hotel room, when in reality he was tucking in his shirt.

00:32:19.000 He did an interview, they took the mic off, and when they mic you up they have to put it through your shirt, right?

00:32:24.000 Yeah, right.

00:32:24.000 So he probably had to untuck a piece of his shirt, run the mic up the lapel.

00:32:28.000 Makes sense.

00:32:29.000 Put on his jacket. 0.90

00:32:30.000 And then when they took it down, he was leaning back, an old fat man, you know, tucking his shirt in.

00:32:34.000 Then they used that to make it seem like he was doing something else.

00:32:38.000 So here's what's funny.

00:32:40.000 Giuliani says, I've got text messages.

00:32:43.000 Here's an email.

00:32:44.000 And they go, well, we don't know if this is true.

00:32:47.000 And then Sacha Baron Cohen goes, I am Barrett and here is Giuliani.

00:32:50.000 And then they're all like, everybody look at Giuliani! 0.68

00:32:53.000 He's getting naked or something.

00:32:55.000 Something.

00:32:55.000 Yeah, I mean, it's the entire media who just lectured us for a really long time about how we have to wait for things to shake out and wait for more evidence to develop, or else it might be someone who is deliberately trying to mislead us, can 100% jump the shark as soon as it becomes convenient for them, right?

00:33:11.000 And I think this is why, you know, we brought up the Steele dossier earlier.

00:33:13.000 I think this is why a lot of conservatives look at these, hey, don't look at the man behind the curtain and say, you've never cared about this before.

00:33:22.000 When have you once showed even a tiny, tiny modicum of reservation before accepting a story when it's helpful and convenient for you, and they just did it again!

00:33:31.000 They're in the middle of ignoring another story that matters, and they jump the shark on something else that is very clearly tied to it.

00:33:37.000 You know what I think?

00:33:38.000 Like, the Democratic Party and the establishment left.

00:33:42.000 It seems to be a chicken running around with its head cut off, right? 0.83

00:33:45.000 And I don't think anybody cut its head off.

00:33:47.000 Trump didn't do it.

00:33:48.000 Trump came because they were frantic and spastic. 1.00

00:33:53.000 I think maybe the establishment politics of this country just eventually lost its will and strength.

00:34:02.000 And maybe it's Hillary Clinton's fault. 1.00

00:34:04.000 Like, maybe instead of the Democrats finding a strong, charismatic leader to carry the party forward, Hillary demanded it, and she wasn't the person who was supposed to lead them, and that resulted in a substantive weakening of what the left was. 0.96

00:34:17.000 And so the reason I bring this up is, I'm thinking about Sacha Baron Cohen and what he's trying to do, and I think ten years ago... Like, when was Borat?

00:34:24.000 When did it first come out?

00:34:26.000 It was, look...

00:34:27.000 Back in the days of Jon Stewart, you had very smart, liberal individuals who, in good faith, mocked things that were ludicrous.

00:34:35.000 And, you know, Jon Stewart, I mentioned this before the show, but he's even praised Project Veritas back in the day.

00:34:40.000 And James O'Keefe, I think he may have tweeted about it at some point.

00:34:44.000 James, uh, uh, uh, John Stewart was like, they did good journalism, they exposed this.

00:34:48.000 And he even showed, like, the Acorn investigation Veritas did, and he was like, tell me this does not get worse.

00:34:54.000 And he uncritically was showing Veritas, like, this is, this is, this is amazing stuff.

00:34:59.000 Today, after John Stewart leaves, After Obama leaves in 2016, there is a power vacuum in the Democratic Party and the establishment left in this country where there's no charisma anymore.

00:35:10.000 Hillary Clinton certainly didn't have any. 1.00

00:35:12.000 And then they started creating all of these plastic versions of Jon Stewart.

00:35:16.000 So John Oliver, Jordan Klepper, Samantha Bee, Trevor Noah.

00:35:20.000 They do not understand what made The Daily Show fun and interesting and exciting.

00:35:26.000 So now what you get is, and looping back to Sacha Baron Cohen, it's, I don't know, make fun of conservatives, I guess?

00:35:33.000 And people like it?

00:35:34.000 So what's happened is they've created this political structure based on people with low information individuals who don't do research, who don't read news, who literally get their news from Trevor Noah or John Oliver.

00:35:46.000 When people were getting their news from Jon Stewart, it was kinda bad.

00:35:49.000 But it wasn't that bad because Jon Stewart still would show you Veritas and uncritically be like, can you believe this stuff?

00:35:56.000 So you were getting your news in a fun and interesting way where someone was being funny.

00:36:00.000 To replicate this, B-tier individuals who didn't have the charisma or talent of someone like Stewart looked at his show and misunderstood what made it interesting.

00:36:09.000 And they said, you know what he does?

00:36:11.000 He makes fun of conservatives.

00:36:12.000 So you end up now with these like, look at John Oliver, I love this.

00:36:16.000 John Oliver, when his show, Last Week Tonight, first started airing when it first came out, it was always blowing up on Reddit and getting upvoted to crazy every single time.

00:36:27.000 And then one day, it slowly started going down and people were posting it less and upvoting it less.

00:36:31.000 And I noticed in the comments, people were saying, dude, all of his jokes, his shows, are the exact same show with different proper nouns.

00:36:39.000 He would do the exact same thing.

00:36:41.000 And that's why the meme of current year Little Timothy, it's current year!

00:36:45.000 Because they took one Stuart joke, wrote it out, and said, replace this and this and this, and we have a story.

00:36:53.000 And so that's what the show was.

00:36:55.000 So what happens when you create a bunch of knockoff plastic versions of what was once charismatic and entertaining to the left, you get something boring and unwatchable.

00:37:06.000 But the low information individuals who like shows like Big Bang Theory with laugh tracks, no offense to Big Bang Theory viewers, but it's like it's you watch a show with a laugh track because they tell you when to laugh.

00:37:17.000 Right.

00:37:17.000 You watch John Oliver because he tells you when the joke is because the joke is at the same point every single time.

00:37:22.000 Right.

00:37:23.000 You're not getting real information anymore.

00:37:24.000 And you know you're never gonna be the butt of the joke, right?

00:37:27.000 And I think that's one of the keys for someone like Oliver.

00:37:29.000 In a way that Stuart, like, he was always happy to be a circular firing squad.

00:37:33.000 He'd take shots at anyone, he'd take shots at himself, whatever it is.

00:37:35.000 But I think one of the reasons why so many people, particularly right now when things are really scary for a lot on the left, are so drawn to a format like that is they are always the good and righteous one, and the person being laughed at is always someone else whom they don't like, and honestly, at the end of the day, they probably don't know.

00:37:49.000 I think one of my favorite anecdotes that I always come back to is there was a journalist who did an interview with other journalists about the number of people who they knew who owned a Ford F-150, the biggest selling car in the country.

00:38:02.000 And they didn't know anybody.

00:38:03.000 It was like, it was like, it was like one in 15 journalists or something knew someone who had an F-150.

00:38:03.000 They didn't know anybody.

00:38:08.000 Whereas everyday Americans, it's like one in one. 0.72

00:38:10.000 And so when you've got this, uh, small and now narrowing group of people who are all laughing at the same joke over and over again, within what is essentially a coddled safe space where they know it's never going to be them.

00:38:10.000 Right.

00:38:20.000 Nothing they do could ever be wrong.

00:38:22.000 It becomes like it's comfort food for them rather than something that's entertaining.

00:38:25.000 We're going there.

00:38:27.000 Jeffrey Toobin.

00:38:29.000 Cranking one out.

00:38:31.000 And here's why I'm bringing this up in this context.

00:38:33.000 The BuzzFeed article, when they said, who among us?

00:38:37.000 And I'm like, most, listen, these journalists, they all live in New York.

00:38:42.000 BuzzFeed, Vox, all these progressives.

00:38:45.000 You can probably walk a block and be at the next office for the next digital blog.

00:38:51.000 Political blog.

00:38:51.000 Lefty progressive blog.

00:38:53.000 They all hang out with each other.

00:38:54.000 They all know each other.

00:38:55.000 They have things called journo-lists.

00:38:57.000 Do you remember this scandal where the journalists would be on all these different companies?

00:39:00.000 Oh, yes.

00:39:01.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:39:02.000 They were called journo-lists.

00:39:03.000 And I think it was made by the Vox guy.

00:39:04.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:39:05.000 Sounds right.

00:39:06.000 And so what you have is 200 New York-based journalists all sharing information and creating an echo chamber among themselves where they're talking about what they think is happening and they have no idea what's really happening.

00:39:16.000 So when you say they don't know anybody who has a Ford F-150, which is like the top-selling vehicle or whatever, I understand the point you're trying to make, and I think the Jeffrey Toobin thing is a better point.

00:39:26.000 That they would post an article thinking it was funny to say that they whack off during business meetings.

00:39:30.000 And I'm like, do you think that's relatable to the hard-working, you know, carpenter, or electrician, or plumber?

00:39:37.000 I'm pretty sure plumbers has never occurred to them that during work they could crank one out.

00:39:42.000 I mean, maybe some weirdos.

00:39:43.000 Oh, for sure it has.

00:39:49.000 Listen, here's what I'm saying.

00:39:52.000 When I heard that story, and I'm like, I know they're not really serious, but they thought it would be funny to be like, come on, weren't you in a business call and you did something?

00:40:01.000 And I'm like, I take my work very seriously.

00:40:05.000 I haven't done anything.

00:40:06.000 In the article they're saying things like, you've muted it to do something, you've gone to the bathroom or whatever.

00:40:12.000 I'm like, I've never done anything like that.

00:40:14.000 I will leave the computer and say, hey guys, I gotta go, I'll call back in a few minutes if I have to go to the bathroom or something.

00:40:23.000 If I'm on a business call, I'm on a business call.

00:40:27.000 But what you get from here is, first of all, they think it's relatable to claim they whack off during business meetings.

00:40:33.000 Okay, if that's funny to them, I get it.

00:40:35.000 I'm laughing at them, not with them.

00:40:38.000 They think everyone who reads that article is laughing with them, like, we all do it!

00:40:41.000 No, that's just you weirdos in New York with weird problems.

00:40:45.000 And weird friends, right?

00:40:46.000 Because I think the other thing, the other reason it's so funny is they can probably look at all seven of their friends and say, hey, you guys all do this too?

00:40:53.000 It's like, oh, look, all seven of us do this.

00:40:55.000 I'm sure everyday Americans are the exact same way.

00:40:58.000 And I think it's one of an innumerable number of different cases where people in the media

00:41:02.000 are really, really bad at generalizing out what an everyday American looks like.

00:41:06.000 And so you saw, I think this is why Trump caught everyone by surprise.

00:41:08.000 Because you had a whole lot of journalists who looked at all their friends, and none of their friends

00:41:12.000 were voting for Trump.

00:41:12.000 So how could there be people out there?

00:41:14.000 Yes.

00:41:14.000 And you saw, like you remember right after the 2016 election, the New York Times did like, they had this big push where they were gonna go out to the heartland and it's hysterical.

00:41:23.000 It's like, if you remember those videos of British explorers contacting the uncontacted tribes in the Brazilian rainforest?

00:41:29.000 What's the name of the guy who does those, David Attenborough?

00:41:31.000 Yeah, David Attenborough.

00:41:32.000 It's like they are David Attenborough and they're like... Nicolas Christophe finds a wild Trump supporter.

00:41:36.000 Exactly!

00:41:37.000 Cleaning his Ford F-150.

00:41:39.000 Yeah, exactly!

00:41:40.000 And in reality they're at a bar in Pittsburgh and they're like, do they have running water here?

00:41:44.000 I don't know, this is so bizarre!

00:41:46.000 And it's true, it's easy I think for most normal people to laugh at, but it's a community of people who are really unbelievably insular, and even their closest concentric circles going outward Are also very, very insular.

00:42:00.000 And so when they think of a Trump voter, it's like, oh yeah, I guess I do have that one racist uncle with a big Trump sign in his yard.

00:42:06.000 I'm like, that's it.

00:42:07.000 That's all they can conceptualize.

00:42:08.000 And so it becomes really easy to paint people within those narratives.

00:42:11.000 They've never been to a suburb.

00:42:12.000 This really reminds me of what the author of The Hunger Games is talking about when she talked about the Capitol.

00:42:18.000 Oh, yes.

00:42:18.000 Very much talking about the elite.

00:42:19.000 My favorite books.

00:42:20.000 Exactly.

00:42:21.000 I know.

00:42:21.000 I love them.

00:42:22.000 I was going to say, you know.

00:42:22.000 You know.

00:42:23.000 I freaking love them.

00:42:24.000 And she talks about the elites and the people who, while other people were starving, she would talk about how they would have to make themselves throw up so they could eat more.

00:42:32.000 Yes.

00:42:32.000 I love that.

00:42:32.000 And they would have all this color in their hair.

00:42:33.000 Drink this.

00:42:34.000 Yeah.

00:42:34.000 Why?

00:42:34.000 It'll make you throw up so you can eat more.

00:42:36.000 So you can eat more.

00:42:36.000 Yeah.

00:42:37.000 Like, who among us hasn't wacked up in a meeting?

00:42:39.000 Those of us who actually care about work.

00:42:41.000 Who among us hasn't dyed our hair green while the city is being bombed to rubble?

00:42:45.000 I mean, it happens all the time in the capital, don't you remember?

00:42:48.000 I remember when I first set foot in a news office, a digital blog.

00:42:53.000 So when I was 18, I got a job with American Eagle Airlines.

00:42:57.000 I was loading baggage into planes, lifting between 30 and 50 thousand pounds per day.

00:43:04.000 Doing manual labor, getting calluses and all that, and getting paid ten bucks an hour.

00:43:08.000 And I was lucky to take home a couple hundred bucks, you know, every other week or whatever, pay my bills, and it was a struggle.

00:43:13.000 I wasn't making enough to cover rent.

00:43:15.000 It was really tough.

00:43:16.000 And then, you know, I ended up getting a job and slowly started making my way through life, doing better and better.

00:43:23.000 Then I went to Occupy Wall Street, I got some notoriety, and eventually I got interest from a company and said, we want to hire you to come into our newsroom.

00:43:29.000 And I said, okay.

00:43:31.000 And I remember the first time I stepped foot in that newsroom and I saw these people literally doing nothing.

00:43:35.000 And I said, how much do these people make?

00:43:37.000 And they were like, you know, it was Vice to be honest, so not a whole lot.

00:43:40.000 People were getting maybe like $35,000 to $50,000, depending on the job they were doing.

00:43:44.000 And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, $35,000 a year to do what?

00:43:49.000 Well, he writes about, you know, he writes like snarky articles about like doing drugs and like having sex.

00:43:54.000 And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:43:56.000 Like, you got a guy.

00:43:58.000 Who comes in whenever he wants, sometimes doesn't even come in, who publishes a couple articles per week or whatever, from other people who submit them, and he's getting paid double what I got doing backbreaking labor.

00:44:13.000 Amazing.

00:44:14.000 These people in these ivory tower jobs get paid double or triple what actual working class people get paid. 0.99

00:44:24.000 And they write garbage nonsense. 0.95

00:44:26.000 And the best part, many of them write about like communism, like Teen Vogue. 0.99

00:44:30.000 Didn't Teen Vogue just call for abolishing capitalism or something? 0.99

00:44:33.000 Teen Vogue weirdly has taken like this kind of like, like 1970s Central America view on economics and how it works, which is like, it's my understanding.

00:44:43.000 Like the reason teen is in the title of it is that it's, it's for children, right?

00:44:47.000 It is very bizarre.

00:44:48.000 Like they had like a glossy piece on Antifa and what they're really going for.

00:44:53.000 They had the anti-capitalism piece.

00:44:55.000 It's...

00:44:55.000 Remember the pro-Marx one they did?

00:44:57.000 Yeah.

00:44:58.000 That was so amazing.

00:44:59.000 It was like on his birthday or something.

00:45:00.000 Yeah, Teen Vogue was like Karl Marx and like praising him.

00:45:02.000 And I'm like, this is hilarious, dude.

00:45:05.000 But it's funny to us, but it's actually kind of scary if you think about it.

00:45:07.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:45:08.000 Like you've got some dumb 14 year old being like, Karl Marx is so cool. 0.97

00:45:11.000 He like, he wants to seize the means of production. 0.98

00:45:13.000 That's like the coolest thing ever.

00:45:14.000 Right.

00:45:15.000 And do you remember how impressionable you were at 14?

00:45:16.000 Like, dude, I would believe to anything at 14.

00:45:18.000 And like all, and this is, I think why rightly, conservatives have really started to wake up of late

00:45:23.000 to the risk and the danger of government schools and like the sorts of things that kids learn

00:45:28.000 day in and day out.

00:45:29.000 Cause you're up taking that stuff super casually.

00:45:32.000 It's flow and it's, you're taking it up as history or science or math or whatever it is.

00:45:36.000 And you just think that it's true.

00:45:38.000 In the same way that if you're a 13-year-old kid, you pop open Teen Vogue, and in between how to do your hair and how to put on makeup or whatever, you have this glowing piece on Karl Marx and the benefits of seizing the means of production.

00:45:48.000 It goes up with it.

00:45:48.000 You ever read Cosmo?

00:45:50.000 Oh, of course.

00:45:50.000 Like how it's like, it tells you to do really awful things that no one likes.

00:45:53.000 It's like when you're in your bed with your boyfriend, try using a steak knife.

00:45:57.000 Yeah.

00:45:57.000 It's like, whoa, what?

00:45:59.000 What do you take from writing this?

00:46:00.000 But that's, it's, it's, I bring that up because I think Teen Vogue definitely, and publications like it, got indoctrinated.

00:46:08.000 Yeah.

00:46:08.000 in a sense where they hired people who had these weird views who then tried pushing this politics.

00:46:12.000 But I also think it's it's algorithmic. It's it's the kind of content that feeds into preconceptions

00:46:18.000 and will generate clicks, generate controversy. Of course we're talking about him now.

00:46:22.000 Yeah.

00:46:23.000 So that's good and you know the haters who like Karl Marx and communism are gonna be like,

00:46:27.000 I'm gonna go check out Teen Vogue and maybe I'll enjoy it.

00:46:29.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.98

00:46:30.000 And it's going to come across the radars of other people because, I don't know, someone like you or I retweets it and they're like, look how dumb this is!

00:46:35.000 And all that matters to them is they're getting the views, they're getting the eyeballs, they're getting the ad dollars.

00:46:39.000 You know, the way I view the media is like, we're in this big pool of water and there's a maelstrom that they've all been sucked into where they're spinning around in circles, feeding each other BS.

00:46:51.000 Yeah.

00:46:51.000 And we're watching them go crazy.

00:46:52.000 And we're over here like, what? 0.70

00:46:54.000 These poor people are trapped in this psychotic, paranoid, delusional world of Russia and this other, you know, whacking off on camera or something like it's a normal thing. 0.75

00:47:03.000 They're separated from the rest of us.

00:47:06.000 And you know, I have to go back to this example.

00:47:08.000 If you've listened to my content, you've probably heard me bring it up several times, but it is the best possible example ever of how Trump knows this and Trump manipulates this and Trump knows the regular people better than these media companies do.

00:47:18.000 Do you remember in the first 2015-16 cycle when Trump had a very expensive steak cooked well done with ketchup?

00:47:26.000 And what was the media's response?

00:47:28.000 They mocked him.

00:47:29.000 They belittled him.

00:47:30.000 They laughed at him.

00:47:32.000 What kind of Dry-aged steak, uncultured, and then I can just imagine

00:47:38.000 what it must have been like for my family when we were getting those dollar

00:47:41.000 T-bones that were garbage from Walmart And so we cooked them through and slopped ketchup on them

00:47:45.000 because we couldn't afford anything else To be one of those working-class people who's making half

00:47:50.000 You're 45, you got a family, and you make half the amount of money as some college grad

00:47:56.000 You know, writing about Brad Pitt's junk And then they start insulting you and your family saying 1.00

00:48:01.000 haha you moron eating your garbage steak with ketchup. You're pathetic 1.00

00:48:06.000 And you're like, that guy up there, he eats the kind of steak I do. 1.00

00:48:09.000 These people who are writing in the news, they just think they're better than me.

00:48:14.000 That was it for a lot of people.

00:48:15.000 And then you see the lies.

00:48:16.000 So Trump really... I don't know if it was on purpose, or Trump just likes eating steak with ketchup.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:48:22.000 At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether it's true or not, right?

00:48:25.000 All that matters is that people believe a certain thing to be true.

00:48:29.000 A whole bunch of people, like every other excuse they take, they jump down Trump's throat for it.

00:48:33.000 And all he has to do is step back and let the circling firing squad shoot itself out of bullets.

00:48:39.000 And he knows it will happen.

00:48:41.000 He always knows that it will happen.

00:48:42.000 You heard how he walked out on 60 Minutes, right?

00:48:44.000 Yes.

00:48:45.000 I think he did that on purpose.

00:48:46.000 I think he planned it.

00:48:47.000 100%.

00:48:47.000 He planned it in advance.

00:48:48.000 I'm willing to bet.

00:48:49.000 I'm shocked.

00:48:49.000 I saw someone tweeted about this too, but I'm shocked it didn't happen earlier, right?

00:48:53.000 It's interesting that this isn't a card he has played sooner, but of course he has.

00:48:56.000 He's been very clear about what he thinks the media looks like, and when he says it, it is very relatable to lots and lots of people.

00:49:03.000 So think about this.

00:49:04.000 You're right.

00:49:05.000 It's almost surprising, in my opinion, that he didn't do it sooner.

00:49:08.000 No, he was waiting for just before the election to make a big play.

00:49:12.000 Also, think about this.

00:49:13.000 He tweeted that he wanted to release the footage.

00:49:15.000 Right.

00:49:16.000 So anyway, let me back up.

00:49:17.000 For those that aren't familiar, there was a 60-minute interview CBS.

00:49:19.000 Leslie Stahl was going to interview Trump.

00:49:22.000 45 minutes in, he storms out, complains about the journalist not wearing a mask.

00:49:27.000 Pre-emptive strike.

00:49:28.000 Oh, 100%.

00:49:30.000 So anything about COVID, he said it about them first.

00:49:34.000 Then he said, I, in the interest of transparency, will release this footage so that people can know.

00:49:39.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:49:40.000 He was filming it?

00:49:41.000 Trump went into that interview with his people filming the 60 Minutes interview.

00:49:46.000 He planned the whole thing.

00:49:48.000 That's going to be awesome.

00:49:50.000 Yeah, we'll see.

00:49:51.000 People don't realize that 60 minutes in these traditional news programs edit.

00:49:55.000 And I love seeing the unedited versions when they, when you do get some undercover camera.

00:49:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:00.000 I don't know.

00:50:00.000 Was it undercover?

00:50:01.000 He filmed it.

00:50:01.000 He's going to release it.

00:50:02.000 He said he'll publish it.

00:50:03.000 He should.

00:50:04.000 And this is the thing too.

00:50:05.000 I think one of the things like, you know, everyone in the business, I'm sure would sit there and be like, Oh, I can't believe you do that.

00:50:09.000 It's so unethical.

00:50:09.000 But to an everyday person, they're like, well, why don't you just run the unedited?

00:50:13.000 I think it gets back to a lot of what Trump ends up doing, where if this scares you, if what happened and the full accounting of what happened is something that you don't want to hear, why is that the case?

00:50:25.000 And what does it say about you that you are so determined to edit these sorts of things to fit a certain narrative?

00:50:30.000 Because I think every day people are going to look back and be like, well, why wouldn't they just play everything that he said?

00:50:34.000 Why wouldn't they just run this whole thing through?

00:50:36.000 You know what's crazy is that people don't realize, compared to where we are now in terms of long-form podcasting, every single interview that wasn't live ever was edited out of context.

00:50:48.000 But the thing was, there was acceptable out-of-context moments for a lot of people.

00:50:52.000 So I remember, you know, when I worked for Vice and many other companies, you would be like, we have a 15 minute slot, which means it's actually going to be like 12 and a half or whatever.

00:51:01.000 So you do an interview with someone that would be 45 minutes.

00:51:03.000 And then here's what happens.

00:51:05.000 You'll say something like, you know, when was the last time you baked a batch of chocolate chip cookies?

00:51:10.000 And the response would be something like, Wow.

00:51:13.000 Well, you know, my mom used to bake cookies like that. 0.99

00:51:16.000 Well, for me, you know, there's this place I really love that has this great, uh, they've got all the good ingredients.

00:51:22.000 But for me, it's been about a week since I baked cookies.

00:51:24.000 They'll cut out the whole part about my mom made cookies and I love to go to this boutique shop because they don't feel it's irrelevant.

00:51:29.000 They just want, they wanted your answer on how, their question was, when was the last time?

00:51:33.000 So they cut out the conversational context that might be really important to someone.

00:51:36.000 Now, back in the day, most people would be like, I don't really care.

00:51:40.000 They cut the part where I mentioned that my mom used to make cookies.

00:51:43.000 But it's still changing the context in a certain way.

00:51:47.000 So 60 Minutes might try to be honest, but they do condense and remove very important points.

00:51:52.000 Notably, you might have a moment where Trump has asked a question, takes him 15 seconds to answer.

00:51:57.000 They'll cut that right out because it's like a waste of time and we can't have dead air.

00:52:00.000 But if you watch that, you might be like, whoa, dude can't answer the question.

00:52:03.000 This is taking him a long time.

00:52:05.000 Or maybe he like looks over at Kayleigh McEnany or something.

00:52:07.000 Those things get cut out.

00:52:08.000 And so that might be bad for Trump.

00:52:09.000 That's just an example.

00:52:10.000 They probably do it for Biden.

00:52:12.000 Yeah.

00:52:12.000 60 Minute condenses this for a show like everybody else.

00:52:15.000 They'll probably say, no, no, our standards is that this isn't this.

00:52:18.000 But I think about why is it so many people wanted, you know, a debate on Joe Rogan?

00:52:23.000 Right.

00:52:23.000 Because that would be raw and real.

00:52:26.000 And you'd have just this straightforward conversation.

00:52:29.000 Go for it.

00:52:29.000 You know what I would do if I was debating, if I was moderating a debate between Joe Biden and Trump?

00:52:33.000 What?

00:52:34.000 You know, former Vice President Biden and President Trump.

00:52:37.000 The topic is foreign policy.

00:52:39.000 Have at it.

00:52:40.000 And then I'd get up and walk away.

00:52:42.000 I want to see them have a conversation.

00:52:43.000 Right.

00:52:43.000 I want Trump to talk to Biden, not to us.

00:52:46.000 Right.

00:52:46.000 I want Biden to talk to Trump, not to us.

00:52:48.000 I want to hear Biden say, no, look man, you know, when you, you, you were over there and you're doing this, you cutting us out of these deals and the Paris agreement. 0.99

00:52:54.000 And then I want Trump to be like, no, you're nuts. 0.99

00:52:56.000 What do you know about? 1.00

00:52:57.000 I want to hear that.

00:52:57.000 Yeah.

00:52:58.000 I wanna hear them talk to each other.

00:52:59.000 We don't get that.

00:52:59.000 And here's the thing, most people do too.

00:53:01.000 And I think this, again, this is what helped Trump get elected in the first place, was he looked at the American people and said, hey, you know what?

00:53:07.000 For a really long time, different people in politics, right and left, in the media, have been keeping something important from you.

00:53:14.000 And I'm gonna be here, and we talked about this last time, a bull in a china shop, to come through and just give you everything.

00:53:19.000 Knock down all the walls, knock down everything, and it's going to be raw, it's going to be unpleasant and cringeworthy sometimes, but it's going to be about as close to the truth as a good approximation is going to be able to get.

00:53:28.000 And so I think that's why when he says, I'm just going to air the clip, I'm just going to play it.

00:53:32.000 This is what happened.

00:53:33.000 You're going to see it.

00:53:34.000 It's the sort of thing where a lot of people, particularly a lot of people who aren't super tapped into the media or super tapped into the news or super tapped into politics are like, wow, yeah, like I've kind of got this perception that I've been lied to and kind of bamboozled here for a long time.

00:53:46.000 And even if the truth isn't pretty, I would really like to see that.

00:53:48.000 Do you remember when Trump did that interview, sit-down interview with Chris Wallace at the White House?

00:53:52.000 Yes.

00:53:53.000 And everybody said it was bad for Trump and he looked terrible.

00:53:56.000 I think they're wrong.

00:53:57.000 I think that's the pundit class sitting in their, you know, sitting on their Zoom meetings, whacking off to each other with the camera muted.

00:54:04.000 And they don't realize that Trump had a long-form sit-down conversation where he was willing to do it.

00:54:11.000 And the fact that he was willing to do it probably is so refreshing to so many people that Trump Could be sitting there in a two hour long conver- This is what his rallies are about!

00:54:21.000 He doesn't have a script!

00:54:22.000 He just starts talking!

00:54:24.000 And so people finally feel like- Let me stop.

00:54:27.000 You know what I can't stand more than anything?

00:54:29.000 I worked for an environmental non-profit when the Deepwater Horizon disaster happened in the Gulf.

00:54:33.000 All that oil spilled.

00:54:35.000 And I remember right when it happened, I was like, I know what's gonna happen.

00:54:37.000 They're gonna offer up an excuse.

00:54:38.000 They're gonna apologize.

00:54:39.000 Say it won't happen again.

00:54:40.000 They're gonna donate to a non-profit.

00:54:42.000 It's gonna be the typical canned response and we're never gonna hear the truth about what really happened or why.

00:54:47.000 Their PR company is crafting the plastic message to say that everyone expects it's not real.

00:54:53.000 The politicians do it all the time. 0.85

00:54:54.000 I guarantee you if Eric Swalwell farts on camera, he'll deny it.

00:54:58.000 He won't own up to it.

00:54:59.000 It will be fake.

00:55:00.000 We know you farted, dude.

00:55:01.000 Remember that?

00:55:02.000 Oh yeah.

00:55:04.000 You just gotta be like, eh, people fart, you know?

00:55:07.000 It was a mug in studio, right?

00:55:09.000 Yeah, it's like, of course.

00:55:10.000 Just be real!

00:55:12.000 Here's, I think, a big part of it is there are a lot of people in media who would see something like that, the Trump sit-down interview with Matthews, and they'd be like, wow.

00:55:20.000 Back when I was on the Hill, back when I was prepping someone to go in an interview, that would be a disaster.

00:55:25.000 Right?

00:55:25.000 And it's got nothing to do with the content.

00:55:27.000 It's got nothing to do with what he says and whether or not any of it made sense.

00:55:29.000 It's, I would never want my boss to be unscripted.

00:55:32.000 I used to work on the Hill.

00:55:33.000 This is what you do.

00:55:34.000 So much of your job is making sure that your maybe crazy boss doesn't go off script because you've got an entire team of people who spend all day developing and designing scripts for what they do and what they say and how that whole narrative flows together.

00:55:46.000 Trump.

00:55:47.000 to his, I mean, sometimes definitely not to his credit, but even as someone like me, who's not

00:55:51.000 wild about the guy, can admit to his credit, he doesn't have that. And so it's very obviously,

00:55:55.000 even when it's not good, it's very obviously real in a way that so many people understand

00:56:00.000 politicians to not be like that. The media is becoming a hyper concentrated extract of that

00:56:06.000 plastic reality. Yeah, it was bad enough when a politician would, you know, fart and be like,

00:56:11.000 that was not a fart on camera. That was...

00:56:13.000 That was a mug in studio.

00:56:15.000 And you'd be like, okay, dude, we get it.

00:56:17.000 You do your PR message.

00:56:18.000 I don't know who buys it.

00:56:19.000 But now it's like we have these two extremes where Trump is just this raw guy who says really bombastic things.

00:56:26.000 Very often.

00:56:27.000 But, you know, it can be refreshing.

00:56:29.000 And then you have the media that is so insanely fake. 0.99

00:56:32.000 It's like ridiculous. 1.00

00:56:34.000 When you turn it on and they're like, today Russia killed a bunch of innocent children because Russia is evil and you're like, dude, shut up. 0.99

00:56:40.000 It's because their client, Hillary Clinton, was committing white collar crimes and they don't want to look at it. 0.50

00:56:45.000 And ever since 2016 when her emails dropped and she's acid washed, 30,000 emails, destroyed federal property. 0.68

00:56:53.000 Oh yeah.

00:56:53.000 The media's turned a blind eye and they're going insane as a result and now they're doing it again with Biden

00:56:58.000 Yeah, maybe that's that's why they don't it's why they let comedians that don't target them

00:57:02.000 Like you were saying they they're soft comedians that won't they know they're safe because they know they've got that

00:57:08.000 like That fear of being found out because they've been backing a

00:57:12.000 fraud. Yeah Yeah.

00:57:14.000 Could this all be they're terrified that Hillary Clinton broke serious laws with these emails and whatever the emails reveal.

00:57:21.000 And so they're doing everything in their power to stop Trump because if Trump got a clean shot at investigation.

00:57:26.000 I think so, yeah.

00:57:27.000 Didn't the Durham probe actually dip into the Clinton email scandal?

00:57:30.000 I think they did, yeah.

00:57:31.000 That sounds right.

00:57:32.000 And now, I wonder, you know, Bill Barr said the Durham probe is not going to be resolved before the election.

00:57:37.000 Right.

00:57:37.000 I wonder if that is a play to say, if we don't win, the Democrats are gonna end the investigation, so if you want the investigation to carry on, you better get Trump a victory.

00:57:47.000 Maybe, but I just...

00:57:48.000 My worry on something like that is I think there's probably too much inside politics, right?

00:57:52.000 I don't know that you can actually run on that in good faith.

00:57:55.000 I don't know.

00:57:56.000 I don't know what's going to come out from the worm probe.

00:57:57.000 I'm definitely interested in hearing about it.

00:58:00.000 I wish, selfishly, as someone who I think would like to have more answers rather than fewer to what's going on in the world, it would be really helpful to have that going into the 2016 election for everyone.

00:58:09.000 But I don't know.

00:58:09.000 At the end of the day, I think that with the Durham probe, with the comedians, with most people, I try and look with a little bit less malice.

00:58:16.000 Maybe wrongly.

00:58:17.000 But to look at it and say, hey, you know what?

00:58:19.000 It's probably... What I think it has to do with is a whole lot of people who see the world in a pretty monochromatic way.

00:58:26.000 And all the people who work at CNN, a lot of the people who work at the FBI, unfortunately, most people who work in democratic politics, they have a certain way of viewing the world.

00:58:35.000 And in simpler times, it wasn't necessarily bad, it was just different, right?

00:58:38.000 And now, there's a little bit of, they're all, in terms of the chicken running around with their head cut off, they're all obviously very worked up and very concerned.

00:58:45.000 They have been since Trump happened.

00:58:47.000 And to me, a little bit, it's like, imagine watching a silent disco where you're the only one without headphones on, and you have no idea what a silent disco is.

00:58:53.000 It's probably very weird and very confusing and a little bit concerning, right?

00:58:58.000 You see all these people gyrating and moving around to a tune that you can't hear.

00:59:02.000 And I think for people like us, that's kind of what it is.

00:59:04.000 And that we end up seeing... We see the dance that they're doing, it's admittedly weird, and it's all in lockstep.

00:59:10.000 But I'm not sure that it's necessarily... I'm not sure it's that dark.

00:59:13.000 Whether or not they were able to remove Trump, their intention, they've succeeded in their goal of obstructing him to a ridiculous degree.

00:59:23.000 Before Trump was even inaugurated, they were screaming Russia.

00:59:27.000 When the Russia investigation started, even during it, I was wondering, what's the point of all of this?

00:59:33.000 I entertained it for a while in the beginning, and I was like, if there's something here, then we'll figure out what it is.

00:59:39.000 It's fairly important.

00:59:40.000 And when it became clear there was nothing, the question was like, what are they doing?

00:59:43.000 And then I thought, you know what Trump can't do right now?

00:59:45.000 He can't fire these people.

00:59:47.000 He can't fire them because they'll call it obstruction of justice.

00:59:49.000 Like what happened with Comey.

00:59:51.000 Exactly.

00:59:51.000 So they froze him for three years, basically.

00:59:54.000 He could not do a ton of what he wanted to do and get rid of these bureaucrats.

00:59:58.000 Then, as soon as he gets through that, Ukraine. 0.98

01:00:02.000 Same thing starts.

01:00:04.000 They would not give him a chance to make any moves.

01:00:06.000 And then he started getting rid of some of these people and, you know, making some changes.

01:00:10.000 Now, I really wonder if he's gonna win again because they cannot give him a clean four years.

01:00:17.000 So, I'm wondering how insane.

01:00:20.000 If the Senate flips Democrat, it doesn't matter if Trump wins.

01:00:24.000 They'll impeach him.

01:00:24.000 Gone.

01:00:25.000 They're gonna pack the courts.

01:00:25.000 Gone.

01:00:27.000 The Republicans will never win again.

01:00:28.000 That'll be it.

01:00:29.000 One party rule.

01:00:30.000 Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, I think you're probably right.

01:00:33.000 I don't know.

01:00:34.000 I guess I have a little bit more optimism, a little more hope in the American people that the packing the courts thing will be tough.

01:00:41.000 I think my worry... Why though?

01:00:42.000 I don't know.

01:00:43.000 I mean, don't get me wrong.

01:00:44.000 It's a gut thing.

01:00:45.000 It's not a thinking thing.

01:00:46.000 But I think my biggest concern with it is that this whole... If Biden wins, particularly if the Senate flips, particularly assuming the Dems probably pick up more seats in the House, All of this goes right back down the memory hole.

01:01:00.000 Everything that happened, the three years that Trump and his administration spent having to battle against what turned out to be a lie, right, and something that was deliberately malicious, all of that work gets erased.

01:01:09.000 All of it goes back on fire, and we never touch it again, right?

01:01:11.000 Like, we're gonna write the history books one day, and that'll be an afterthought.

01:01:14.000 And to me, as someone who, like, I didn't just entertain it.

01:01:17.000 I had a piece up in the Federalist not too long ago where I talked about, like, I bought it pretty hard.

01:01:21.000 I was a Never Trump guy.

01:01:22.000 I came into it and I was like, of course he did, right?

01:01:24.000 It fit my narrative that he would do something awful and terrible.

01:01:26.000 And so I bought it hook, line, and sinker.

01:01:28.000 And my worry is there are a lot of other people who haven't snapped out of that yet.

01:01:33.000 And if Dems take everything in 2020, no one else is snapping out of it.

01:01:38.000 It's going to be Russia becomes canon. 0.65

01:01:41.000 If the Democrats win, the history books will say for a brief period, Russia controlled the United States.

01:01:46.000 Right.

01:01:47.000 It'll just be fact.

01:01:47.000 But that's literally what they wrote!

01:01:48.000 I know.

01:01:50.000 I think we sometimes forget, I certainly forget, I end up checking my tweets from two years ago or four years ago, whatever it was, like, Jonathan Chait, for New York Mag, literally wrote, what if Donald Trump has been a Russian asset since 1987?

01:02:02.000 And then he'd get left out of the room!

01:02:05.000 Do you know what the best part about that insinuation is?

01:02:07.000 The Soviet Union is secretly still in existence.

01:02:07.000 What?

01:02:10.000 Right.

01:02:11.000 or or this is how this is how smart they are that they're still behind the curtain right like right right right insane and the best part was what should have happened under normal times one his editor probably would have looked at that and be like don't let this anywhere near my esteemed magazine i don't i don't want your your conspiratorial claptrap anywhere near this one seriously Even if it got to print, right?

01:02:29.000 Even if, let's say there's a problem with New York Mag or whatever it is and they run with this thing and they let it go, at least he would get laughed out of the room.

01:02:35.000 Chris Hayes had him on his show.

01:02:37.000 Plenty of people had him on their shows.

01:02:39.000 Politico and other magazines were re-upping this and reiterating.

01:02:42.000 A year later, John Harwood came out and be like, this is an important day in history because a year ago, Chait's article came out.

01:02:49.000 And it's absurd.

01:02:50.000 And I think we forget that because now, at least up until recently, the Russia stuff was gone.

01:02:55.000 They didn't even talk about it at the DNC.

01:02:56.000 Adam Schiff brought it back, baby.

01:02:58.000 Come on! 0.61

01:02:58.000 I love how this email comes out, and they're like, it is definitively Russian, you know, intelligence operations, and then Adam Schiff, and all the people are immediately just like, well, one person said it, therefore it's officially historically true, and we're gonna say it a million times, and once again we find ourselves back... You know what I'm gonna say? 0.61

01:03:18.000 Doesn't this all seem familiar?

01:03:20.000 No, no, no, hold on, hold on.

01:03:22.000 What happened in September of 2016?

01:03:25.000 Good point.

01:03:25.000 Yeah.

01:03:26.000 Yeah.

01:03:26.000 FBI, yeah.

01:03:26.000 What happened with a laptop in September of 2016?

01:03:28.000 Good point.

01:03:29.000 Anthony Weiner.

01:03:30.000 Yeah.

01:03:30.000 FBI.

01:03:30.000 FBI and Anthony Weiner.

01:03:31.000 And what images did they find on his laptop?

01:03:34.000 Underage messages or something.

01:03:37.000 Yeah.

01:03:37.000 What narrative was emerging against Trump?

01:03:41.000 Russia.

01:03:42.000 I tell you, man, the writers of 2020 are bored.

01:03:46.000 They've run out of ideas.

01:03:48.000 They're like, can we just do like a, like a total, can we do a duo?

01:03:52.000 It's a do-over.

01:03:52.000 You know what it is?

01:03:52.000 It's a total do-over.

01:03:54.000 A total do-over?

01:03:54.000 What if that's what it is?

01:03:55.000 And they're like, but this time we're gonna do everything the exact same, but this time Trump loses.

01:04:00.000 We're going to flip, we're going to flip, we're going to flip who, we're going to flip the people that we believe, and we're going to flip who wins the election.

01:04:00.000 Right.

01:04:07.000 It's just, I think what gets me, and this is why it keeps happening, and the reason it feels so familiar is, there was no accountability.

01:04:14.000 We never had any accountability, right?

01:04:16.000 Even now, looking back, we can know that these things were wrong, they were malicious, they were lies.

01:04:21.000 All of these people still have jobs.

01:04:23.000 None of these people have lost the columns that they have.

01:04:26.000 Right?

01:04:26.000 Like, unless they're, you know, revealing themselves on Zoom these days, like, it is impossible for these guys to lose their job or face any sort of professional repercussions.

01:04:33.000 So why wouldn't it happen again?

01:04:34.000 Why wouldn't they jump at the next quickest, easiest thing that might look like Russian disinformation to one unnamed source at the FBI, maybe, that you didn't vet anyway?

01:04:42.000 You know the secret of media?

01:04:43.000 If you write a shocking and bombastic fake news article that gets a million views, you make money.

01:04:49.000 If you then retract it, you make more money on the retraction.

01:04:53.000 Although the retraction makes you substantially less, you still put ads on the retraction page.

01:04:57.000 So these people know if they put out fake news, they still get paid.

01:05:01.000 And so they're incentivized.

01:05:02.000 The economic incentive is to pump out fake news.

01:05:04.000 And I love it when journalists go like, well, I take issue with that.

01:05:07.000 There's no real reason for journalists to lie that way.

01:05:11.000 Well, maybe real journalists, but today you just have people desperate for followers on Twitter.

01:05:15.000 Yeah.

01:05:15.000 So they're all posting the same jokes, they're all posting the same... Like, you know what's interesting is that these journalists live in New York, so they're surrounded by progressive activists.

01:05:25.000 Right.

01:05:26.000 They want to fit in with the cool kids, so they just say whatever it is the cool kids say. 0.67

01:05:31.000 Now the journalists are just losers trying desperately to pander to the popular, you know, influencer or whatever.

01:05:36.000 Journalists should not try to be influencers. 0.83

01:05:38.000 Yes.

01:05:38.000 But they're trying to be.

01:05:40.000 So are politicians.

01:05:41.000 Of course.

01:05:42.000 Right.

01:05:42.000 But I worry too.

01:05:43.000 I agree.

01:05:44.000 They definitely are.

01:05:45.000 But this to me also gets back a little bit to the emails thing where when Dems,

01:05:49.000 like when Adam Schiff and Chris Murphy get up there and say, oh, this is Russian disinformation.

01:05:53.000 There's a part of me that's like, okay, like they're political hacks.

01:05:57.000 This is what's going to happen.

01:05:58.000 I think it's a lot worse.

01:05:59.000 And once upon a time, I think we all held a much higher bar for journalists and

01:06:02.000 reporters to do that. 1.00

01:06:03.000 It's one thing when you've got a lefty politician who runs in and says, I want to fit in with the cool progressive kids at that trendy bar in Brooklyn, and it's another when you have someone whose sole occupation it is to bring you something that should be a good approximation of the truth, right?

01:06:16.000 The first rough draft of history is what's in the hands of the media, and so when they're the ones who are crafting that narrative and they're chasing the, like, retweet if you agree types of retweets for progressives, It's so much more corrosive, I think, to our body politic when they do that, because the power and the influence that they have to be able to pull in other people who aren't necessarily partisans is a lot more dramatic.

01:06:38.000 And so to me, someone like Yamiche is way more dangerous and damaging.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, Yamiche Alcindor.

01:06:49.000 She's the chief DC correspondent for NPR, who is someone who gets paid an enormous amount of money to be very popular on Twitter and to largely be indistinguishable from any progressive activist who you could imagine.

01:07:00.000 But what happens is, when you have people who are progressive activists who are masquerading as someone who is meant to bring you the truth, I think that corrosive influence is way, way more difficult to the rest of us than a Democrat doing it.

01:07:12.000 I just want everybody to realize for two seconds.

01:07:14.000 Ask yourself, how much money do you make doing your job?

01:07:18.000 Now I want you to go to glassdoor.com and look up Ryder at BuzzFeed and Vox and Vice and then when your blood boils, channel that energy into a pot of tea and boil that water and pour yourself a nice glass and sit back and relax and just realize what this world really is.

01:07:35.000 Yeah, do it tomorrow Don't do it before bed, you'll get really wound up.

01:07:39.000 I agree that journalism's doing that is nasty, but I hate lying under oath.

01:07:44.000 When politicians lie under oath, or people in our government lie under oath, like James Clapper saying that they were not wittingly spying on the U.S.

01:07:51.000 people, and they let him off, and he hasn't been punished for lying under oath for committing perjury.

01:07:55.000 No justice.

01:07:56.000 That's the justice system in the United States.

01:07:58.000 So if we're not adhering to the justice system, they're going to keep breaking the law.

01:08:02.000 No, it's a big club and you ain't in it.

01:08:05.000 I think I am in it.

01:08:06.000 No, these people are allowed to break the law.

01:08:08.000 Let me in.

01:08:09.000 What do you mean?

01:08:10.000 Why are they allowed to break the law?

01:08:11.000 Because it's a big club and you ain't in it, buddy.

01:08:13.000 I mean, that's just a mockery of the system.

01:08:14.000 Of course, but they're above the law.

01:08:17.000 So we have the best system even though it's terrible?

01:08:19.000 We have problems because for too long, the American people have went, I'm just going to click D or R and walk away and not have any idea who I'm voting for.

01:08:28.000 And you end up with 30-year Pelosi and 30-year Schumer and 47-year Biden, and they don't care about you.

01:08:35.000 George Carlin, man, that's the guy I grew up listening to.

01:08:38.000 They don't care about you. 0.99

01:08:39.000 They're millionaire cocksuckers who don't care about you. 1.00

01:08:42.000 That's what he said. 0.98

01:08:44.000 And he's right.

01:08:45.000 And like career CIA people, 40 years.

01:08:47.000 How long has Brennan been in the Ever.

01:08:49.000 Ever.

01:08:50.000 And that's the thing, too.

01:08:52.000 Even if you want to look at it, people who go into politics for the right reason or whatever, which, to be clear, very, very few, I would imagine, do this.

01:08:59.000 On the whole, as someone who lives in D.C.

01:09:00.000 Rant ball!

01:09:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:01.000 It's like the only guy!

01:09:02.000 As someone who lives in D.C., it does seem like there's a certain set of personality characteristics that tends to draw someone to politics, and most of them aren't good things.

01:09:10.000 But even if you want to take the best of intentions for a lot of these people, year one, year two, fine. 30 years in, 40 years in, you

01:09:17.000 know you've got a new book you've got to write every year that will make you a couple hundred grand, and

01:09:21.000 you've got TV shows, and you've got people to not piss off. And so that's what's happening. And

01:09:25.000 you're right, it's no different, unfortunately, in so many different, you know, the wide and

01:09:30.000 sprawling bureaucracy, be it within intelligence or otherwise, it's the same thing.

01:09:34.000 It's the same people, it's the same jaded sorts of personalities who have been

01:09:38.000 here forever and have no interest in changing or learning a new set of rules. And right now they're

01:09:42.000 benefiting from all the rules.

01:09:44.000 Yeah, didn't used to be, was it like that in the beginning?

01:09:47.000 I don't know, I mean I wasn't around, I assume you guys weren't around 200 years ago. Did they

01:09:51.000 didn't have term limits though back then?

01:09:52.000 You were, you were definitely yeah. So walking the earth for 800 years. In 1790, they didn't

01:09:58.000 have term limits ever, right? Congress people could just.

01:10:01.000 Well this was the beauty of it, right? So once upon a time. They don't have term limits now.

01:10:04.000 No, I know. Once upon a time it was, they, you know, I think this was this was back before it

01:10:09.000 was a particularly lucrative career to be in, to be in politics, right? And so I think part of the

01:10:13.000 problem is, you know, You've got people who, like, there are plenty of people who are lobbyists or otherwise connected to the DC ecosystem who get paid lots and lots of money to be former politicians or to be former staffers or whatever it is.

01:10:25.000 And so once upon a time, it wasn't a particularly sexy or desirable sort of job and occupation to have.

01:10:32.000 It certainly didn't pay the bills.

01:10:34.000 And now it's become something that is a producer of wealth and power and influence.

01:10:38.000 And so people, the people who are looking for those three things, are drawn to it like a moth to the flame.

01:10:42.000 When these people get into Congress, if they lose or they leave, they still retain access, security, like access to the Hill and stuff like that, making it very, very easy for them to be lobbyists.

01:10:54.000 So that's why it was actually AOC and Ted Cruz, I think, both were teaming up on a bill to kind of shut down this politician-to-lobbyist pipeline.

01:11:02.000 I don't know if they were successful on it, but my respect to both of them for working on that.

01:11:06.000 I think it's, you know, AOC is interesting because she is an influencer. 0.94

01:11:10.000 And I feel like she's using her position to become famous. 0.96

01:11:15.000 And I feel like she's personally more interested in fame than she is the office.

01:11:19.000 With that being said, I can definitely give her tremendous praise and credit for working with Ted Cruz on a couple things, notably that one in particular, and I think Term Limits, too, was part of it.

01:11:27.000 Yeah, that sounds right.

01:11:28.000 So look, I can be critical of somebody, but I definitely want to give respect in that regard.

01:11:32.000 I hope we get to, you know, at some point figure out how to stop these... The issue is that they found a way to make money.

01:11:39.000 To become wealthy off being in office.

01:11:39.000 Right.

01:11:42.000 And so anything we can do to end that pipeline where you become a politician and then immediately get access to being wealthy, that's a serious problem.

01:11:50.000 We can cut their salaries.

01:11:51.000 No, I don't think that's the solution.

01:11:53.000 What the heck?

01:11:54.000 But even if we cut their salaries... It's only $174 for Congress.

01:11:57.000 It doesn't need to be their full-time job.

01:11:59.000 How many times do they meet a week?

01:12:00.000 Like twice or three times a week?

01:12:02.000 And they could do it remotely.

01:12:03.000 It could be me doing it remotely.

01:12:05.000 There's so much that has to go into... They're supposed to be doing work in their communities, helping people, and then representing them to the federal government.

01:12:05.000 I disagree.

01:12:14.000 Some of these people don't do that, but you gotta understand a lot of the rank-and-file people in Congress, they do.

01:12:21.000 Yeah.

01:12:22.000 I think it's, what, half of Congress are super wealthy?

01:12:23.000 Something like that?

01:12:25.000 Yeah, I mean, I think some of it just depends on how you call super wealthy, right?

01:12:27.000 You have to be fabulously wealthy to run for office these days.

01:12:30.000 That's an enormous expense.

01:12:32.000 You also, if you are a normal person who can't just leave their job for an extended period of time to go have a dalliance with running for office, then it's tough.

01:12:40.000 But yeah, I think you make a good point.

01:12:41.000 I think for a lot of people, A lot of people who tend to get re-elected, particularly people in their first, I don't know, call it eight to ten years, they get re-elected because the people who they come into contact with see them as actually fighting for their communities.

01:12:54.000 Whether or not that's true, I think there are a lot of people who are good at making it seem like that's the case.

01:12:59.000 And so a lot of the good ones, right, and I do think that there are good ones, are doing that.

01:13:03.000 They're pounding the pavement back home, they're collecting signatures, whatever the hell it is.

01:13:07.000 But there are so many people who don't have to do that.

01:13:09.000 Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, people on our side too.

01:13:12.000 They don't have to do that.

01:13:13.000 Everyone knows who they are.

01:13:14.000 They don't have to keep working so hard.

01:13:16.000 And so to me, the bigger issue is when you've got someone like a Ted Kennedy who's been in office their entire life and everyone knows who they are and likes who they think they might be, then they can coast and then they can skate.

01:13:25.000 How does Nancy Pelosi keep winning? 1.00

01:13:27.000 It's not just her, but I mean Mitch McConnell, too.

01:13:29.000 I'm not a fan of either of these parties.

01:13:32.000 I find them all to be... The only reason the Republican Party, in my opinion, gets any kind of past this point is because Trump stood a sledgehammer to the Republican Party.

01:13:40.000 And he chased out a bunch of the crony politicians, several dozen have retired.

01:13:46.000 Many others are just, like, pathetically trying to maintain some kind of semblance of actually caring about the American people. 0.64

01:13:51.000 Right.

01:13:52.000 Yeah, and I mean, I think for a lot of them, it really did upset the apple cart.

01:13:56.000 They had an idea of what they needed to do to get by and skate by in Congress.

01:13:59.000 They had an idea of how the system worked.

01:14:00.000 They knew who the good guys were and the bad guys, and who they had to play off and placate.

01:14:04.000 And for so long, it was so easy and so comfortable to be able to do that.

01:14:09.000 I think one of the things, getting back to your question about the founding of this country, the idea of a career politician, someone who's going to spend their entire life running for office and holding office and running for office again and holding office again, That didn't exist.

01:14:21.000 You had people who were part-time farmers or part-time whatever, and they would come in and they'd, I don't know, they'd take their horse to DC or whatever it was, and then they'd go back home.

01:14:28.000 And it was a lot, it was a lot easier.

01:14:30.000 And so now you have people who like, this is their life.

01:14:31.000 This is their lifestyle in a way that's, the system was never designed to do something like this.

01:14:36.000 And it's, it's even more poorly designed today because of the amount of money.

01:14:39.000 So we need to redesign it.

01:14:40.000 I think term limits are essential.

01:14:42.000 Congressional term limits.

01:14:44.000 But the challenge is that in Congress, getting on committees and leading committees require seniority.

01:14:44.000 Maybe.

01:14:49.000 So this is all part of the problem.

01:14:50.000 That's fine.

01:14:51.000 You can learn that in two months.

01:14:52.000 I think that's an excuse they use.

01:14:54.000 But it's that because of the way the hierarchies are ordered, people who are more senior are put on individual committees based on their seniority.

01:14:54.000 No, no, no.

01:15:02.000 Yeah.

01:15:02.000 Maybe we get rid of it.

01:15:03.000 That's the thing.

01:15:03.000 I think if you want to have a system change, there's a lot more tearing down that needs to happen.

01:15:07.000 Definitely.

01:15:08.000 You've really got, I think, pulled back a lot of the layers.

01:15:10.000 Think about something like this, like, you and your friends are all hanging out, and you're like, we need to figure out who's gonna be the person to go pick up the beer.

01:15:17.000 And then you're like, okay, who's doing it?

01:15:19.000 Someone first has to volunteer to be, you know, I'll go get the beer, like, do you guys want James to do it?

01:15:23.000 Alright, James, it's all you.

01:15:24.000 Yeah.

01:15:25.000 That's kind of what it used to be like, you know, you'd have this community of, like, back in the day, probably a couple thousand people, if that's somewhere, it's probably even less, and they'd be like, who wants to go down there and tell them what we're doing?

01:15:36.000 And it would be like, hey, Bill, will you go down there and tell them that we're growing corn and stuff?

01:15:39.000 Like, okay.

01:15:40.000 And he would go down and be like, yo, so we're, you know, we're growing corn.

01:15:42.000 We got a bunch of people.

01:15:43.000 It's really great.

01:15:43.000 Here's what we need from you guys, you know, because we got banditos coming by.

01:15:47.000 And so, you know, we need someone to come by.

01:15:48.000 And it was really like personal, personal and personable.

01:15:51.000 Now it's like, there's too many people.

01:15:55.000 Have you ever seen one of the original drafts of the Bill of Rights?

01:15:59.000 Where, like, one of the first amendments was the limit on how many people a congressperson could represent.

01:16:05.000 It would have been 50,000 people per congressperson.

01:16:09.000 And what that means is, today, we'd have, I think, what, like 6,000 people in Congress?

01:16:13.000 Instead, we have 435.

01:16:14.000 Because now one person represents 700,000.

01:16:15.000 Because now one person represents 700,000.

01:16:18.000 It's impossible.

01:16:19.000 So, right.

01:16:20.000 So look at Ocasio-Cortez's district.

01:16:23.000 She ends up winning again, even though she's not good.

01:16:28.000 If you look at her record, I understand she's a freshman with limited experience and an understanding of the political space and the world, but she didn't even do anything.

01:16:37.000 Like the bills she co-sponsored was like renaming a post office.

01:16:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:16:41.000 And she's been really, really good at making herself a celebrity. 0.95

01:16:45.000 Getting 400,000 concurrent viewers on Twitch playing Among Us.

01:16:45.000 Right.

01:16:49.000 Right.

01:16:50.000 And hey, it meant more power to her.

01:16:50.000 Celebrity.

01:16:52.000 She's really good at playing that game. 1.00

01:16:52.000 Congratulations. 1.00

01:16:53.000 But when it comes to politics, she hasn't done anything.

01:16:55.000 Other than botching the Green New Deal and talking about farting cows, she's really good at generating negative press for the party. 0.99

01:17:01.000 You would think anyone who was a Democrat would be like, Michelle Crusoe Cabrera was way better because she was competent, mature, and understood how the system worked. 1.00

01:17:09.000 But they just wanted celebrity.

01:17:11.000 We got a lot of problems with how our system works.

01:17:13.000 And right now, one of the issues is, if you're someone who knows how to play to media, you win.

01:17:18.000 And that's, and one of the things she's done with her staff too, is she's invested very heavily in the comms function, rather than investing in, like traditionally, like you'll have a number of LAs and a number of people in your office who run policy.

01:17:18.000 Exactly.

01:17:28.000 But if all you're trying to do is score retweets and score positive articles and build, you know, the best relationships you can with the editors at Vanity Fair, so you can get a new puff piece every couple of months, then you're going to allocate the amount of money that they all get to staff their offices.

01:17:41.000 And throw all of it to comps, and throw all of it to digital, and find a way to make sure that you are getting the positive, supportive stories that you need that are gonna keep you in the public's attention, in the public eye, and keep building that celebrity status and that rockstar status that she's been able to do.

01:17:54.000 What has she done for us?

01:17:55.000 Nothing.

01:17:55.000 What has Pelosi done for us?

01:17:57.000 What has any of these people done for us?

01:17:59.000 Rand Paul?

01:18:00.000 Rand Paul's cool.

01:18:00.000 That guy I like.

01:18:01.000 He's the only thing.

01:18:02.000 Yeah, I know.

01:18:02.000 He's the only person.

01:18:03.000 Right.

01:18:04.000 There's a couple people, you know.

01:18:06.000 Maybe we're just expecting too much from these people.

01:18:09.000 400 people?

01:18:10.000 There's like 350 million of us.

01:18:12.000 328.

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:12.000 like three and fifty million of us three and twenty eight

01:18:14.000 yet four hundred thirty five kind congress a hundred senators

01:18:18.000 No, no, no.

01:18:18.000 I disagree.

01:18:19.000 I disagree, Ian.

01:18:20.000 I think that these people were hired to do a job that they're not doing.

01:18:23.000 They're failing.

01:18:24.000 I think they need to be fired.

01:18:25.000 I think we need to start again.

01:18:27.000 And I don't know how to do that.

01:18:28.000 And I think that he's right.

01:18:29.000 I think that Drew is right.

01:18:30.000 I think that we need to come up with a solution to actually fix it.

01:18:33.000 There are many layers that we could go into.

01:18:35.000 We could go into term limits.

01:18:36.000 That's the easiest thing to go off of, but it's definitely not the only thing.

01:18:40.000 So we should look at what it takes to fix this system.

01:18:44.000 I'm not confident term limits solve the problem either, you know why?

01:18:46.000 No, it doesn't, that's what I'm saying.

01:18:47.000 Because what'll happen is you'll have some dude who's like, okay, I'm funding person A for this first run.

01:18:54.000 Then once their run is expired, I have person B training and being ready to go, and they all work for me.

01:19:01.000 So what do you, I mean, it's probably that way and still, it's probably still that way for a lot of special interests.

01:19:06.000 Definitely donors, special interests and stuff.

01:19:08.000 I don't know how you solve the problem.

01:19:11.000 I do think there's a solution to how we do better, but I don't know what it is.

01:19:16.000 I'll just say this, I want to stress that I think AOC, and to a certain degree Trump, but Trump certainly has a better understanding of how economics and trade functions, but this element of press mogul politicians is a problem for us.

01:19:29.000 I think AOC is a bigger problem because she has no experience and no understanding. 1.00

01:19:33.000 There's a lot of things Trump has done.

01:19:36.000 Whether you like it or don't like it, he's done a lot of things.

01:19:38.000 He's done stuff.

01:19:39.000 The economy was really, really great.

01:19:41.000 AOC has done nothing.

01:19:42.000 She's renamed, I think, a couple post offices.

01:19:44.000 And other than that, it's been nothing.

01:19:46.000 It's been puff pieces and fluff and gestures that's made her famous.

01:19:50.000 Now, nine point something million followers on Twitter.

01:19:53.000 For what?

01:19:54.000 And they re-elect her.

01:19:56.000 Right.

01:19:56.000 And I think even worse, you will get generations more of AOCs, right?

01:20:01.000 I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to be Trump right now.

01:20:03.000 So whatever else you think of the guy, I don't think his situation and his position is enviable.

01:20:08.000 And certainly he's probably not living the sort of carefree and easy life he probably led 10 or 15 years ago.

01:20:13.000 But what you're going to end up, I think, what you're going to see, and unfortunately I think you're going to start seeing it on the right too, no different than on the left, is you're going to see a whole bunch of people who are probably in their teens and twenties now who want to be AOC the next cycle, or the cycle after that, or cycles down the road.

01:20:26.000 And so you're going to end up with a whole bunch of new, a new crop of politicians who want nothing other than the star power, and right now, the way the incentives are aligned, they're going to get the followers, they're going to get the money, they're going to write books, they're going to sell out, they're going to be on all the podcasts and the TV shows and everything else.

01:20:41.000 And so all of their incentives will be met.

01:20:43.000 And the only person who's getting the short end on that deal is the American people who elected all of these people to lead them.

01:20:49.000 Now, all of that operates under the assumption that from where we are now, there's no dramatic and immediate escalations, particularly following November 3rd.

01:21:00.000 So, assuming that what we see, we get increments of, I agree with you, we'll end up with a bunch more social media influencer types who don't really do anything other than like, yo, look at my selfie, I'm on Instagram, vote for me, and then people do because They're on Twitch.

01:21:16.000 Yeah, they're going to do it.

01:21:17.000 But I think social media is driving a hyper-polarization which is going to result in serious unrest

01:21:24.000 and strife.

01:21:25.000 There was a story that I talked about earlier today, the NYPD has been training every day

01:21:29.000 for election day unrest.

01:21:32.000 So everybody's kind of expecting this to reach some kind of boiling point.

01:21:35.000 So I guess, you know, in that regard, I wonder what your thoughts are, Drew, on where we're going.

01:21:39.000 Yeah, you know, I go back and forth with a few buddies of mine.

01:21:42.000 So most of my friends are pretty left-leaning.

01:21:44.000 And I think one of the things that we always come back to is, how does the fever break?

01:21:48.000 Right now, I think we can all agree, whether it's chicken with head cut off or whatever metaphor you want to use, we're at a point where it's not tenable.

01:21:55.000 And there doesn't seem to me to be a good, easy way to back down from the sort of abyss that we're staring into and have us come to a more peaceful understanding of our differences and the way we all work and what have you.

01:22:07.000 So I do worry.

01:22:08.000 I think where I net out to and where I always fall out to in these conversations is, I'm worried that there probably will be violence before it gets better.

01:22:15.000 It will continue to get worse before it gets better, and at some point there's going to be nothing but violence.

01:22:20.000 And I hope that I'm wrong, right?

01:22:22.000 I get that I sound a little bit like an extremist and a little off my rocker when I say that I think that's going to be the case, but I guess I just don't know how else We continue to move forward at the pace we're at, at the increasing kind of... It's like the music keeps getting faster and faster, and there's no one there to shut off the music.

01:22:38.000 And so what happens when we're all running into each other headlong?

01:22:40.000 I think people are scared to admit that there's going to be violence.

01:22:43.000 Yeah, me too.

01:22:44.000 People are scared to say it because of their optimism bias.

01:22:47.000 I think people are scared to make predictions based on how they feel because they're scared of being wrong.

01:22:51.000 I don't care.

01:22:52.000 I'll tell you how I feel.

01:22:53.000 I think Trump's going to win.

01:22:54.000 I'm not entirely sure about the Senate or the House.

01:22:57.000 I could be wrong.

01:22:58.000 I don't know for sure.

01:22:59.000 I just have a feeling, based on the tightening of the polls and the voter registration gap, it looked really good for Trump and Republicans.

01:23:04.000 We'll see how it plays out.

01:23:06.000 I think there's going to be a massive wave of violence, particularly from the left.

01:23:10.000 I believe that may coax out a right-wing response of some sort.

01:23:14.000 Not entirely sure, but I talk to a lot of people and they're like, I don't think so.

01:23:19.000 And I'm like, A guy walked up to some Trump supporter and put two bolts in his chest.

01:23:23.000 And then Antifa cheered for it.

01:23:23.000 Right.

01:23:25.000 A security guard in Denver shot a Trump supporter in the face, and then they cheered for it.

01:23:29.000 Right.

01:23:29.000 Like, this stuff isn't slowing down, it's speeding up.

01:23:31.000 Exactly.

01:23:32.000 And so how, and I think what I struggle with is, I don't know a way where it slows down.

01:23:36.000 Exactly.

01:23:36.000 And so at some point, you gotta assume that it bubbles over.

01:23:38.000 And you're right.

01:23:39.000 I think it's, I think it's very, very difficult for Americans who, you know, none of us have been alive for 150 years.

01:23:44.000 We've never really seen anything like this.

01:23:45.000 And so, One of the models that I think is more helpful to look at rather than like a U.S.

01:23:49.000 Civil War or what have you is something like the Troubles in Ireland, where you have two different sort of factions of people who, like, it gets more and more tense and more and more frustrated and at some point people start shooting.

01:24:01.000 Have you ever been to Belfast?

01:24:03.000 Yeah, I have.

01:24:04.000 Have you seen the Peace Wall?

01:24:05.000 Yeah.

01:24:06.000 Did you look at the weird graffiti on each side of it?

01:24:08.000 So this is really interesting for people who aren't familiar.

01:24:10.000 Do you want to explain the troubles a little bit?

01:24:12.000 Yeah, so in Ireland, there was a tenuous relationship between the Irish and the English for a long time, dating back to the first British occupation was in what, like 1099, something like that?

01:24:23.000 Way in the early aughts.

01:24:24.000 And so eventually, after years and years of strife, centuries of strife, it hit a boiling point when what is now Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, seceded from what was then England, what's now the UK, to become their own sovereign country.

01:24:40.000 And then we were left with Northern Ireland, which had about a 50-50 split, I think, at the time of Catholics and Protestants.

01:24:45.000 There was a lot of sectarian frustration and the spillover violence, and then eventually it all came to a head.

01:24:51.000 And people started shooting, and you would have... Bombings.

01:24:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:54.000 There were bombings, there were shootings, there was the IRA, the Irish Republican Army, who was a faction of people in Ireland who thought that by causing violence, particularly in Northern Ireland and in London, that they could get the rest of Northern Ireland free, they could get the English out.

01:25:08.000 So the Peace Wall separated, correct me if I'm wrong, two communities, right? 0.96

01:25:12.000 It was like, you know, the, I don't wanna, I don't know the names of them, but basically I went to Belfast, and I was there for that big bonfire night they do, where they set up those, that's crazy, it's like 30 feet tall of just pallets and wood, and they torch the whole thing, and man, it lights up the sky like the sun.

01:25:30.000 Anyway, the Peace Wall's interesting because on one side, it's very imperial, militaristic, And on the other side it's very SJW left-wing, very stereotypically culture war.

01:25:42.000 And I was asking this dude there about it, I'm like, on one side it's, you know, pro-Palestine, on the other side it's pro-Israel.

01:25:49.000 What does that have to do with Ireland?

01:25:50.000 It doesn't matter.

01:25:51.000 He told me, if one side says it, the other side says the opposite.

01:25:55.000 And now what does that sound like today with Trump?

01:25:58.000 Trump says it, they say the opposite.

01:26:00.000 That's just the way it rolls.

01:26:03.000 Yeah, and it only goes one direction, right?

01:26:05.000 And so what ended up happening, there's the Good Friday Peace Accords, after years of bloodshed, right?

01:26:10.000 Serious bloodshed, eventually they signed a peace treaty, but it's because the fire had kind of burned itself out.

01:26:16.000 And my worry is, we're at a point where we've got a lot of embers, and the embers keep kicking up, and they keep getting hotter, and they keep getting hotter, and there's no one sitting around to throw water on the situation that we have now.

01:26:24.000 And so until those embers kick up into something like a fire, and then that fire burns itself out, I don't know how else we walk.

01:26:30.000 We're a much bigger country than Ireland.

01:26:32.000 Yes.

01:26:33.000 And a lot more guns.

01:26:34.000 And that was Northern Ireland.

01:26:36.000 We're talking about the entirety of the country.

01:26:38.000 So, my concern is that, initially, when we started seeing culture war conflict, street battles, a lot of people were like, oh, it's not gonna get any, you know, I had people telling me, when I said this is gonna get worse, they were like, no, because the government will never allow it.

01:26:53.000 They're in government.

01:26:54.000 What happens when you have someone in one branch of the government who's on one side of the debate, and a person in the same department is on the other side, and they start butting heads with each other about who's evil, who's not?

01:27:04.000 What happens when you start seeing, like we're seeing now in like the Pacific Northwest, these racially segregated trainings they're doing?

01:27:09.000 At a certain point someone's gonna be like, I refuse.

01:27:11.000 I'll tell you what really scares me.

01:27:13.000 When, you know, the trans children issue, Joe Biden was asked a question about, I think, an eight-year-old trans child.

01:27:21.000 I'm not here to make a judgment call or a moral call, because I don't want to inflame tensions worse than they are, but I tell you this.

01:27:28.000 You have a fight happening in Texas, and I don't know what the latest development is, where the mother says the child is trans and the dad says the child is not.

01:27:35.000 Right.

01:27:35.000 I am worried to think about what's going to happen when one parent feels their child is being physically harmed and they have no choice but to engage in some kind of physically, you know, physical maneuver of some type.

01:27:48.000 Whether you're left or right.

01:27:48.000 Right.

01:27:49.000 And how many, and I think that's a really good microcosm, but think about how many other situations in American life that could lead to something like that.

01:27:56.000 Right?

01:27:57.000 Part of my concern is there's so many little fires going all at once that I think individually could each be problematic.

01:28:02.000 But when they all come together, right?

01:28:03.000 When you have a bunch of different reasons why a bunch of different people are mad.

01:28:07.000 And there's two sides to whatever the argument is.

01:28:10.000 You've got two teams.

01:28:10.000 You've got two camps.

01:28:11.000 That it is combustible, right?

01:28:13.000 And you have all these individual interpersonal circumstances that are combustible

01:28:16.000 sit against a backdrop that is already incredibly combustible.

01:28:19.000 And yeah, so I mean, whether it's parents fighting over a custody battle like that

01:28:24.000 with a child who may or may not be trans, who's, I don't know, eight years old,

01:28:27.000 or a situation with a street rally in Portland.

01:28:29.000 When you have that many sources of tension, eventually one of them is going to bubble up.

01:28:33.000 And I worry that there's a little bit of a contagion going on for something like that,

01:28:36.000 where as soon as people get angry and start shooting, more people get angry and start shooting.

01:28:40.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:28:41.000 After 9-11, everybody came out.

01:28:43.000 I was in New York City that day, actually.

01:28:45.000 I lived there, and everyone came out of their houses and was, like, sitting together on the street and talking, and there's a lot of humanity, and it was this tragedy that bound us.

01:28:54.000 And I think that there's going to be a false flag tragedy coming up.

01:28:58.000 I think I would imagine that they've been trying it.

01:29:00.000 Russia's won.

01:29:01.000 What do you mean?

01:29:01.000 Who's they?

01:29:02.000 That the U.S. 0.57

01:29:03.000 government will impose some sort of collective tragedy on us so that we don't go to civil war.

01:29:09.000 Who's the government, though?

01:29:10.000 Trump's fighting the government.

01:29:11.000 The government's eating itself.

01:29:12.000 I don't know who runs the show exactly.

01:29:13.000 No, there's nobody.

01:29:14.000 There's the dupe state.

01:29:16.000 Yeah, the intelligence agencies are fractured.

01:29:18.000 I think screaming.

01:29:18.000 Maybe there'll be many different people trying to, trying to show us many, maybe it'll be aliens, but it won't really.

01:29:23.000 COVID didn't do it.

01:29:24.000 Just be vigilant about the next unifying tragedy because it'll probably, let's look through it instead of at it.

01:29:31.000 Um, if what you're saying is true, it'd be a great thing for this country to heal the wounds.

01:29:35.000 We should, we should do it.

01:29:37.000 We don't need a fake tragedy to bind us.

01:29:40.000 COVID didn't do it, man.

01:29:42.000 I worry that we don't even have unifying tragedies anymore.

01:29:45.000 We don't.

01:29:45.000 Well, it could be like a weather tragedy. So I think we should decentralize our power grid, first of all. And then

01:29:52.000 if we have a tsunami, like we have three hurricanes in one season last year.

01:29:56.000 We had a bunch of hurricanes recently.

01:29:57.000 Yeah, that's terrifying. So if we're getting flooding, and then there's a volcano explodes, and then there's a 10 year

01:30:06.000 long winter.

01:30:07.000 It's not going to do anything.

01:30:08.000 10 month long winter.

01:30:09.000 I mean.

01:30:09.000 I'll tell you what's going to happen.

01:30:11.000 People will support each other.

01:30:12.000 No they won't.

01:30:13.000 That could help.

01:30:13.000 In California when the drought hit, the cities voted to take the water away from the poor migrants in two seconds.

01:30:18.000 In two seconds.

01:30:19.000 It was gone.

01:30:20.000 And their wells ran dry.

01:30:21.000 And then non-profits had to intervene and give them non-potable water.

01:30:24.000 That's a lot of it is because of the central electric grid for profit.

01:30:27.000 If we all had electricity to share.

01:30:28.000 This is water.

01:30:29.000 The drought happened.

01:30:30.000 You can make water with electricity.

01:30:32.000 Listen.

01:30:32.000 Through condensation.

01:30:33.000 Now they're talking about they want to divert freshwater from the Delta, from the Bay Area, south, to help the farmers, which could potentially cause the water pressure to invert.

01:30:45.000 So saltwater would pour in to the Bay Area, turning all of the water brackish and just mutilating all the farms.

01:30:53.000 People are fighting over water.

01:30:54.000 They're not going to come together in a natural disaster.

01:30:57.000 When people have a fundamental tribalist view and the only thing that matters is my tribe versus your tribe, the earth could explode and they would be like, it's your fault.

01:31:06.000 Yeah, but I guess technology can help us in a time of crisis.

01:31:10.000 Because if we all had electricity and we could all condense our water from the air, then if there was a flood or something, we could share water and not have fear of not having enough.

01:31:20.000 I'll tell you what, where we are now, it's like ten gallons of water and condensation every morning on the deck.

01:31:25.000 It's like, you walk outside and you're splashing.

01:31:27.000 I'm like, man, I'd like to get a funnel and just... Yeah, dude, there's a lot of water out in the air that you can make.

01:31:32.000 But in California, there wasn't.

01:31:34.000 And it was funny when I saw the canals full of fresh water, and I asked the farmer why they weren't just using that, and he said, the city's voted, we can't touch it.

01:31:42.000 That's how Los Angeles got made.

01:31:43.000 They diverted water down from the... That's what they're doing right now.

01:31:45.000 The river... Owen's River Valley, I think it was?

01:31:48.000 New Holland?

01:31:49.000 Listen, LA's got a ton of people, and they say, we get the water, you don't.

01:31:53.000 And so it becomes an issue of power.

01:31:55.000 They didn't care about the poor migrants who were dying of thirst. 0.90

01:31:58.000 They said, gimme your water, shut your mouth.

01:32:01.000 Yeah, getting enough water for people could be a good start.

01:32:04.000 A disaster won't bring us together.

01:32:06.000 A disaster right now, in my opinion, would scare people and cause them to go nuts.

01:32:10.000 Right now, yeah, because we're not prepared for it.

01:32:12.000 No, they'll go in the other direction.

01:32:13.000 They would say, gimme, gimme, gimme, F you.

01:32:15.000 I need to survive.

01:32:16.000 Yeah, to me, I feel like it would be like if Hurricane Katrina happened everywhere in the country all at once, right?

01:32:21.000 And so, unfortunately, Tim, I think you're right.

01:32:24.000 I think that We're at a point now where you have two camps of people who really, really struggle not only to see their own fellows as patriots or compatriots, they struggle to see them as human, right?

01:32:37.000 And so I think it's a lot easier.

01:32:39.000 One, I think it makes things like someone from Antifa shooting a Trump supporter more likely to happen.

01:32:44.000 One.

01:32:45.000 Two, even in the more mundane, the more milquetoast variety, I think it makes it easier to believe someone like Rudy Giuliani would do something like whatever it is.

01:32:53.000 Right?

01:32:53.000 And so it makes it, I think it just makes all of us a lot more willing to believe things that we wouldn't believe.

01:32:58.000 One, about someone we know.

01:33:00.000 Two, about someone who we think shares our worldview.

01:33:02.000 Or three, like, at least someone who we can assume is going to be acting in good faith.

01:33:05.000 And so where we are now is, the reason you get these media cycles, whether it's Russian disinformation or whatever it else, the reason they pick up so quickly is we're all, like, we're all pointing our mental guns at one another anyway.

01:33:15.000 And when you're, and I think when you're doing that, all you need, like all you need is the tiniest little semblance of a match to be able to kick things off and kick them off badly.

01:33:22.000 And it seems like every morning we wake up to do that anew.

01:33:25.000 It's a new cycle.

01:33:26.000 It's a new something.

01:33:27.000 I swear to God, this is a video game or some sort of simulation and we are controlling the morale. 0.66

01:33:31.000 It's a morale thing because if people are psycho, they're going to kill each other.

01:33:35.000 But if they're not, if they love each other, they're going to help each other.

01:33:37.000 But this has been a part of human life and human existence.

01:33:40.000 It's amplified now with the internet video.

01:33:42.000 Definitely.

01:33:43.000 Yeah.

01:33:43.000 The internet's making everything worse.

01:33:45.000 I don't know that we spend enough time talking about the second or third consequences of social media and the internet and other things like that, because you're right.

01:33:51.000 I mean, I think one of my big contentions with the media is that the thing that they are doing that tends to be bad is they are responding to a certain set of incentives that aren't, that their readers are not well served by.

01:34:02.000 If a media needs to make money by serving ads, they need eyeballs. 0.93

01:34:05.000 If they need eyeballs, they're not going to publish things that matter.

01:34:07.000 They're going to publish things that collect eyeballs.

01:34:10.000 And as a result of that, you have all of these twisted incentive systems that I think are too big, and they're too scary, and they're too colossal for any of us to try and talk about and wrestle with, because this is a system that we all live within, and the idea of trying to break out or punch out of that thing is scary and frightening.

01:34:23.000 But I think if we invested a little bit more time and energy talking about those sorts of things, it would probably be beneficial.

01:34:28.000 I think you're right.

01:34:29.000 Well, how about we do super chats?

01:34:30.000 Let's do it.

01:34:31.000 It's time, yeah.

01:34:32.000 So we have one super chat from Nathan Reynolds.

01:34:35.000 He says, Tim, go to Joe Biden's website and read about gun control.

01:34:39.000 No one is discussing this and people need to know how radical this is.

01:34:44.000 So actually, this is really interesting.

01:34:47.000 I'm going to see if I can get this properly.

01:34:52.000 So I have one section that I really want to read from you.

01:34:54.000 I saw this and I want to read this to you from Joe Biden's website.

01:34:58.000 This is great.

01:34:59.000 ban the manufacturing ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines.

01:35:04.000 Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three

01:35:09.000 shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. 0.93

01:35:15.000 I tweeted about this. I don't know how to break it to Joe Biden, but it's actually illegal to hunt

01:35:19.000 children with any amount of ammo. I'm not going to read through the whole thing. But I do think

01:35:25.000 there is some really, really shocking stuff in here.

01:35:28.000 Notably, banning the online sale of all firearms and ammo.

01:35:32.000 Oh boy.

01:35:33.000 So I think it bans, like, any- and online sales of firearms and ammunitions.

01:35:37.000 What?

01:35:37.000 And ammunitions.

01:35:38.000 What?

01:35:38.000 Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

01:35:45.000 Everything.

01:35:45.000 No way.

01:35:46.000 I'm shocked I haven't heard about this.

01:35:48.000 Yes.

01:35:49.000 And this is on his website.

01:35:50.000 And online sale of firearms and ammunition.

01:35:53.000 Anything having to do with gun parts, kits, whatever, those businesses online are over.

01:35:58.000 Make sure you screenshot that, everybody, because I could see him taking that off his website.

01:36:03.000 That could go down the memory hole real bad.

01:36:04.000 This was one of the most shocking things I've seen.

01:36:06.000 Think about how many businesses that will destroy overnight.

01:36:09.000 I mean, dude, you could be selling simple gun parts that are totally legal and fine.

01:36:12.000 You're gone.

01:36:13.000 Every manufacturer's got a website.

01:36:15.000 Yes.

01:36:16.000 That's the other thing, too, is that, like, obviously there are people, I'm sure, who they are all online gun businesses, but there are also just a lot of manufacturers who, the same way that Amazon sells lots and lots of stuff, people sell things online.

01:36:27.000 We're in the midst of a global pandemic.

01:36:28.000 People are buying lots and lots of things online rather than in person.

01:36:31.000 There are some companies that make ammo, but they're based in the middle of nowhere because they ship the ammo to various stores.

01:36:36.000 Right.

01:36:37.000 Imagine this, though.

01:36:38.000 All online sales.

01:36:39.000 What if you're a distributor to local gun stores?

01:36:42.000 What if there are a bunch of local gun stores, you make ammo, and sell it online to gun stores?

01:36:47.000 That's part of it.

01:36:48.000 It's banned.

01:36:49.000 All online sales.

01:36:50.000 Amazing.

01:36:52.000 To me, the gun issue is, I think, one of the most ridiculous ones because the people who are writing the rules don't really understand guns and don't understand how they work.

01:37:00.000 And so I would imagine there's probably someone who drafted that policy sitting in a city who is like, well, why can't I go down this?

01:37:06.000 Like, it's just a store.

01:37:07.000 Why don't they go to the store?

01:37:08.000 They've, they've never been someplace that, that isn't particularly densely populated.

01:37:12.000 They've never held a gun before in their life.

01:37:13.000 And so these things are just fundamentally scary weapons of war or whatever, like assault rifles or whatever kind of language they want to use.

01:37:19.000 And they're writing sweeping policies and the journalists fall into this trap too, where they have no idea what they're doing.

01:37:25.000 And so the second and third order consequences that are going to come from writing bad policies are enormous.

01:37:30.000 Think about what that means, banning online sales.

01:37:32.000 Let's say you live in a very, very small town, and you have no gun store.

01:37:37.000 We are in the era of online sales.

01:37:40.000 A booklet's not coming to your mailbox anymore for you to open up and go, ooh, I'm gonna call this number and order.

01:37:43.000 You go online to do it.

01:37:44.000 You can't do it anymore.

01:37:45.000 You can't have things shipped to your house.

01:37:46.000 That's crazy to me, man.

01:37:48.000 Can you imagine if they tried that with anything else?

01:37:50.000 It would be so obvious.

01:37:52.000 Anything that some 25-year-old guy who admittedly probably looks like me, who lives in New York City, who's writing these gun laws, Anything else from their day-to-day life, if they couldn't get it online, would collapse in on themselves and they would know it really quickly.

01:38:03.000 Curing, seriously.

01:38:04.000 Bottled water, for instance.

01:38:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:06.000 Can you imagine?

01:38:07.000 Yeah.

01:38:07.000 That'd be crazy.

01:38:08.000 That's wild.

01:38:09.000 All right, we got some more Super Chats.

01:38:10.000 Kyle Hopkins says, election and post-election war games are in full swing.

01:38:14.000 Multiple universities are trying to work on their post-election playbooks by running scenarios.

01:38:19.000 The only thing these don't take into account are Trump winning.

01:38:22.000 Yeah.

01:38:22.000 So you see Trafalgar Group today said that Trump's gonna win.

01:38:25.000 I heard something about this.

01:38:26.000 Yeah.

01:38:27.000 Yeah, like the main guy from Trafalgar said, the polls are not taking into consideration the secret Trump voters, the shy voters, and Trump is gonna win.

01:38:35.000 They're ignoring it.

01:38:36.000 There was a research that I've cited several times.

01:38:37.000 It said 10% of people who vote for Trump lie about it.

01:38:40.000 If there really is a 10 point swing for Trump, he's going to landslide.

01:38:43.000 It's going to be crazy.

01:38:46.000 And I think one of the interesting things in that too is it's lost on a lot of these people who are doing the war games that the side that seems to precipitate all the violence would be the side who would be upset if Trump wins.

01:38:57.000 Yes.

01:38:57.000 Yes, indeed.

01:38:59.000 Someone says, Ready to Rumble says, breaking news, FBI confirms Iran sending fake emails posing as Proud Boys to help Joe Biden.

01:39:06.000 You saw that?

01:39:06.000 What?

01:39:06.000 What does that mean, Iran, though?

01:39:09.000 Does that mean a guy with an Iranian IP address?

01:39:12.000 Or does that mean the Iranian government?

01:39:14.000 New York Times is saying it's a disinfo op, right?

01:39:17.000 It's the, I don't remember the name.

01:39:19.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:39:21.000 This is crazy.

01:39:21.000 So, there were spoofed emails going around to Democrats saying vote for Trump or else from the official ProudBoys.com or whatever.

01:39:30.000 The Washington Post says, U.S.

01:39:31.000 government concludes Iran was behind threatening emails sent to Democrats.

01:39:35.000 The deceptive campaign made use of an internet domain associated with the far-right Proud Boys.

01:39:40.000 Interesting.

01:39:41.000 They are trying to get us to fight each other.

01:39:44.000 And they're trying to get us to fight Iran. 0.98

01:39:46.000 Make sure that's not some dude in his apartment with an Iranian IP address. 0.98

01:39:50.000 Because that's what they did with Russia to get us to go after Russia. 0.71

01:39:54.000 Man, what do you even trust these days, huh?

01:39:57.000 My Life Matters says, Have been enjoying Drew's thread.

01:39:59.000 Tim, guest list is getting better.

01:40:01.000 Would love to hear from left side's opinion.

01:40:03.000 It is very, very hard to book leftists.

01:40:06.000 I don't want to name any of these people, but there was a couple people who when I tweeted, we send out invites.

01:40:11.000 Listen, I'll tell you this.

01:40:12.000 I could send a direct message to a right-wing person right now and say, yo, tomorrow opened up.

01:40:16.000 Can we fly you out last minute?

01:40:18.000 90% chance they'll be like, I'll make time.

01:40:21.000 I'm down.

01:40:21.000 And they'll come on by.

01:40:23.000 Now to be fair, we're in an area where a lot of people aren't particularly far away, because we have a close airport.

01:40:32.000 So it's pretty easy.

01:40:33.000 Every time we message someone on the left, it's an endless list of questions.

01:40:38.000 Several weeks out in advance.

01:40:40.000 Tons of requirements.

01:40:41.000 Some people that I've tried booking have demanded money.

01:40:44.000 Straight up.

01:40:44.000 So weird to me.

01:40:45.000 Straight up demanded money.

01:40:46.000 Like, I do appearances for this much money, I'm like, dude, it's a conversational podcast, we cover the cost.

01:40:51.000 So I had a couple people when I posted, like, lefties, it's really difficult to get them on the show.

01:40:57.000 This is exactly what you get.

01:40:58.000 The grifter class started posting, I'll go on your show. 1.00

01:41:02.000 Invite accepted.

01:41:04.000 My immediate response is, we'll cover your travel and accommodation.

01:41:07.000 The show is in studio live, 8 p.m.

01:41:09.000 every day.

01:41:10.000 Our next availability is this day.

01:41:12.000 And I got response from one person was like, I'm available.

01:41:15.000 Let's do it.

01:41:15.000 Or, you know, said, I'm available on this date.

01:41:17.000 Then messaged me privately immediately was like, oh, I can't do that.

01:41:20.000 I'm not traveling.

01:41:21.000 And then when I was like, you said you would do a, well, I mean, COVID.

01:41:25.000 Who would we get? 0.98

01:41:26.000 There must be some crazy lefties that are so down. 0.99

01:41:31.000 We've got some people who will come because, just because, I'm not saying every leftist is a duplicitous rifter. 0.98

01:41:36.000 There are some people who believe what they believe and they're willing to come on a show and talk about it.

01:41:39.000 Robert Reich, he wants to talk.

01:41:41.000 That dude's, that'd be crazy.

01:41:44.000 Truth and Reconciliation Commissions.

01:41:45.000 Yeah, that guy.

01:41:47.000 Maybe I don't want him to know where I live.

01:41:48.000 Yeah, honestly.

01:41:49.000 We need to shut him down in person.

01:41:52.000 Very few people who I've read their tweets and thought to myself, my God, this is it.

01:41:55.000 I'm getting a gun.

01:41:56.000 But I read his tweet and I was like, this is it.

01:41:59.000 I swear to you, if a Democratic politician said we should have a truth and reconciliation commission, the first thing I would do is buy a gun.

01:42:07.000 He used to be so balanced.

01:42:08.000 Wait, wait.

01:42:08.000 I think he's indicative of a greater problem.

01:42:11.000 That's why I want to talk to him.

01:42:12.000 So we got a super chat from DeathSci.

01:42:14.000 Have you seen DonaldTrump.watch website?

01:42:16.000 Doxing Trump donors by compiling a list from the FEC.

01:42:20.000 Americans that give money to support a racist.

01:42:22.000 Yes, the original name of the website was something like racist.watch.

01:42:25.000 And when it got attention and they immediately changed the name to Donald Trump watch,

01:42:31.000 they're not doxing people so much as they've taken all of the publicly available donor data

01:42:35.000 and placed it on a map.

01:42:37.000 That's not doxing.

01:42:38.000 So the information is already available.

01:42:41.000 They've just made it easy for you to pull up your address and see who lives around you that donated to Trump.

01:42:45.000 Oh.

01:42:45.000 The funny thing is, it's a lot of people.

01:42:47.000 That's great.

01:42:48.000 Yeah.

01:42:48.000 Like, you can go to, like, you can go to, like, Chicago and see, like, all the Trump donors, and you're like... Alright.

01:42:53.000 It's gonna get people killed, though. 0.73

01:42:54.000 I was gonna say, like, this, yes.

01:42:55.000 Yeah, and, like, I get it.

01:42:56.000 I get, I get why we should have, uh, that these things should be public records, I, I guess.

01:43:00.000 But in this day and age, yeah, like, that's, that's putting a target on someone's house.

01:43:04.000 Yeah, I would do that.

01:43:05.000 I mean, their addresses are already public.

01:43:06.000 You make a donation.

01:43:07.000 You know?

01:43:07.000 Yeah.

01:43:09.000 Let's see.

01:43:09.000 C. Hennessy says, Tim, I have a question.

01:43:11.000 I watched the Philly D. breakdown on the New York Post.

01:43:13.000 I'm curious why authentication of the hard drive is such a big deal.

01:43:16.000 Like, apparently they were not letting other news agencies see it.

01:43:19.000 Isn't that normal?

01:43:21.000 Um, I wouldn't be surprised if a news organization said, we're not giving up source information.

01:43:26.000 There could be something damaged to the person they received it from.

01:43:29.000 That's simple.

01:43:31.000 This idea of third party verification is like a new thing.

01:43:36.000 The New York Times says, we reviewed Trump's taxes.

01:43:38.000 Here's the proof.

01:43:39.000 And everyone said, wow.

01:43:41.000 There's no evidence, there's no photo, there's no documents, literally nothing.

01:43:45.000 And we're supposed to just take it at face value.

01:43:46.000 So the New York Post comes out and says, here's a literal email, I say, okay.

01:43:50.000 Well, Fox News verified the emails, the DOJ and the FBI, the FBI said they have the laptop, and both have said it's not Russian disinfo, and the Director of National Intelligence said it's not Russian disinfo, so I don't see what the big deal is.

01:44:03.000 And it's always, I think historically it's been incumbent on news media to be able to prove beyond some level of doubt to a generally credulous and skeptical public that incredulous and skeptical public that these things are real right like once upon a time when they were unsubstantiated allegations they they would mean something because a news media outlet was willing to put their name behind it right all right here we go the real darth squishy says this 20 says the debate tomorrow never happens

01:44:28.000 No, Darth Squishy. 0.56

01:44:30.000 Well, hold on, hold on.

01:44:32.000 What happens if a Biden aide comes out with COVID?

01:44:36.000 And then Biden says, although I've tested negative with an abundance of caution, we decided it's probably best we don't come out and risk infecting other people.

01:44:44.000 Who does that help, though?

01:44:46.000 It helps Joe Biden.

01:44:47.000 To not debate?

01:44:48.000 Yes, because Trump's the first.

01:44:49.000 They're going to be like, Donald Trump, can you talk about your tax plan?

01:44:53.000 Hunter Biden's laptop.

01:44:56.000 Shut her down. 0.99

01:44:56.000 But do you think that that gets through to people? 0.99

01:44:59.000 Like, I agree with you that it's obviously going to be something of concern to the Biden camp.

01:45:04.000 But at the end of the day, I think that Biden probably looks worse and knows that he looks worse if he runs from it.

01:45:09.000 Do you think Donald Trump is going to say, Rudy Giuliani, America's mayor, who carried New York through 9-11, has just submitted evidence to the Delaware police of child sexual exploitation from your son Joe.

01:45:25.000 Do I think he says it?

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:27.000 No.

01:45:27.000 Anything like it?

01:45:28.000 I mean, one, it won't be that succinct.

01:45:32.000 Does he bring it up?

01:45:33.000 Of course he brings it up.

01:45:34.000 But I think what ends up happening is he brings it up, he's shouting, Biden's shouting, the moderator's shouting, and the whole thing kind of gets lost.

01:45:39.000 But they're going to mute people.

01:45:40.000 Well, no, they were only muting during the two minutes of their special sacred time or whatever, is what I heard.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, that's how I've heard it's gonna work.

01:45:46.000 It's gonna be good.

01:45:47.000 My worry is that what happened with the first debate, I thought, was Trump came out swinging.

01:45:53.000 On some points, he was good.

01:45:54.000 On some points, it just felt like noise.

01:45:56.000 And at the end of the day, a lot of this bounced off the American people.

01:45:59.000 And I think that we're probably gonna see something like that at the debate tomorrow night.

01:46:02.000 And I think Biden and Biden's handlers know that all he has to do is get up there, say a few things, and walk out without everyone in the world thinking that he's completely lost his marbles, and it's a win for him.

01:46:11.000 That's why Trump needs to let Joe talk.

01:46:13.000 Yeah, because Joe Biden's going to be like, you know, 200 million people are going to die by the time this debate is over!

01:46:19.000 Snap.

01:46:19.000 Because he actually said, that's, I'm quoting the guy.

01:46:22.000 Yeah, but Trump can't help himself in so many of these situations.

01:46:24.000 And so like, I think you're right.

01:46:26.000 I think you're right.

01:46:27.000 I think what he needs to do is get out of the way and let Biden fall in on himself, or come out and be super aggressive on the Hunter thing and just stick to it no matter what.

01:46:33.000 I think he's going to munch those two things and not do either of them.

01:46:33.000 Biden?

01:46:35.000 Yeah, he's got to do charisma.

01:46:37.000 Biden's strategy.

01:46:39.000 Biden's strategy is for Trump to trip over himself.

01:46:42.000 Yes!

01:46:43.000 That's what they've said publicly.

01:46:44.000 And Trump is very good at doing that.

01:46:47.000 Trump can be counted on to trip over himself.

01:46:49.000 This is very true.

01:46:50.000 He definitely can.

01:46:51.000 Blaze says, imagine filling a stadium with 30 plus thousand people every night, all aware and motivated to change the status quo.

01:46:59.000 No wonder why the elite are freaking out.

01:47:01.000 That's right, we do it.

01:47:03.000 Sometimes we get way more than that.

01:47:04.000 The show with James O'Keefe, we had nearly 80,000.

01:47:06.000 It was like 79k, I think, total.

01:47:10.000 We have 37 right now.

01:47:11.000 Lots of people watching and hanging out.

01:47:12.000 You guys are awesome.

01:47:14.000 Vsidious says, two things.

01:47:15.000 Remember when Trump said, we have you on tape to Biden in the last debate?

01:47:18.000 Something is coming.

01:47:20.000 And for your stellar gif, use Army of Darkness, the third evil dead, with the mini ashes running around.

01:47:26.000 It's perfect.

01:47:27.000 Yes.

01:47:29.000 Yeah.

01:47:29.000 So apparently Trump said something about that.

01:47:30.000 We have you on camera?

01:47:31.000 Yeah, he said so I'm trying to remember what it was but there's something that was tied to this was obviously before all the laptop stuff came out and he said he had some allegations related to I think it was I think it was Hunter it must have been he said we've got you we've got you on tape we've got you on camera whatever.

01:47:45.000 But I don't know, again, like, I don't know, like, maybe, maybe he's, maybe he's teasing out the Big Bang and maybe it's, maybe it's the sort of thing that really does upset the apple cart and change the narrative or whatever.

01:47:53.000 I think it's a Big Bang.

01:47:54.000 Giuliani and Bannon said 10 days, what, 10 days before the election, they're going to drop hard evidence.

01:48:00.000 I'm excited.

01:48:01.000 I think if they started the laptop thing, well, we're on day 13, 13 days out, so yeah. 0.87

01:48:09.000 I think if they started with, here's an email showing that Biden did meet with one of these Burisma guys, he's a liar. 0.83

01:48:15.000 They start slow. 0.92

01:48:16.000 It's drip, drip, drip.

01:48:17.000 You don't put the big story out immediately.

01:48:19.000 You want the maximum impact when it's most important, just before, as close as possible.

01:48:23.000 I can't remember who we were talking to, but someone said, Hillary Clinton put out the ex-Hollywood tapes, or her people did, or whoever did.

01:48:29.000 Yeah, I got here super early, yeah.

01:48:29.000 Right.

01:48:30.000 what was like the beginning of October or the end of September?

01:48:32.000 Super early, yeah.

01:48:33.000 Right, right, right. And they should have waited because that would have really hit

01:48:36.000 Trump hard, but they did it way too early. Well, now they got early voting, so like 30-something,

01:48:40.000 35 million people have already voted. Maximum impact. 10 days before. It'll affect a lot of

01:48:45.000 early voting in states like New York, and it will get the news cycle in time for Election Day.

01:48:52.000 I think, yeah, I guess I buy that.

01:48:52.000 In-person voting.

01:48:53.000 And you know, one of the interesting things, I think, I'm not sure I'm there with you, but like to play out the scenario a little bit, I think part of it too is they've already run, like they made Twitter and Facebook and a lot of other people who for no reason censored the New York Post look really, really bad in a way that if something bigger happens in a couple of days, they can't pull that again.

01:49:10.000 Right.

01:49:10.000 I was just thinking that, man.

01:49:11.000 That's so awesome.

01:49:13.000 So if they're playing it out, if they're thinking it through from a strategic perspective, and again, I'm always worried when I say that some people who prove themselves to not always be super strategic, that they have some masterful... It's like the Trump 14-dimensional chess thing that I never buy.

01:49:27.000 Oh man, I'm getting all excited now.

01:49:28.000 I never buy the idea that he's playing 14-dimensional chess, because I think that it's mostly lizard brain, and so I'm worried of ascribing this grand strategy behind these things.

01:49:37.000 It's true.

01:49:37.000 But yeah, if you're doing it with a level of strategy, that makes sense.

01:49:40.000 So, the big tech companies had one censorship strike, one shot, and they said, this is it, this is the October Surprise, nuke it!

01:49:48.000 No, it wasn't.

01:49:49.000 And actually, that was the bait.

01:49:53.000 And already, Rudy Giuliani's done a masterful 360, he parries, and now he's already coming back with that counterpunch.

01:50:02.000 Oh, man.

01:50:02.000 That's right.

01:50:03.000 It's coming.

01:50:04.000 I don't know.

01:50:05.000 We'll see.

01:50:05.000 Maybe not.

01:50:06.000 We can dream, okay?

01:50:06.000 Sounds like it.

01:50:08.000 Again, I think Giuliani's too lizard-brained. 0.77

01:50:09.000 I think you're right.

01:50:10.000 I have such a hard time believing that these people are capable of these sorts of things, but if they were, this is what they would be doing.

01:50:15.000 That I will give you.

01:50:17.000 Grant Pickens says, imagine a civil war where the people disbanded the corruption of media, classical and online, replacing it with non-governed forum that will teach its own equilibrium.

01:50:25.000 What if?

01:50:27.000 Sure.

01:50:27.000 That'd be cool.

01:50:29.000 Let's see, Sean Wilson says, LOL Buzzfeed writer not realizing he created the equivalent of the normal guy from that Lonely Island skit.

01:50:35.000 Oh my gosh.

01:50:37.000 I'm not familiar with it.

01:50:37.000 I love that thing, the Lonely Island thing.

01:50:39.000 Are you familiar with the Lonely Island thing?

01:50:42.000 I'm actually in one of their videos.

01:50:43.000 He is, yes.

01:50:44.000 I'm in a Lonely Island video.

01:50:45.000 Why did I not know that?

01:50:46.000 I'm a member of a crowd as he jumps out of a loading dock and we're all bouncing Andy Samberg up in the air.

01:50:52.000 Yeah.

01:50:52.000 Amazing.

01:50:53.000 Okay, please send me that.

01:50:54.000 I need to see it.

01:50:55.000 If I remember correctly, the normal guy was like, it was meant to be a spoof of a normal guy and what a normal person would do under normal situation. 0.88

01:51:02.000 And it was so ridiculous from the top.

01:51:04.000 I think they've got another one about what people would do at the end of the world. 0.77

01:51:07.000 And the joke is, obviously no one would ever do this.

01:51:10.000 And whoever wrote that is spot on.

01:51:12.000 That's what this is.

01:51:13.000 And that's why it's so funny, as long as you can step back far enough to be able to see that it's not real and it's funny.

01:51:18.000 I love it.

01:51:18.000 it.

01:51:19.000 Andrew Lantz says, love the content.

01:51:21.000 Your views on abortion concern me.

01:51:22.000 If the preservation of liberty requires the murder, abortion is the express ending of

01:51:26.000 innocent human life of unborn children.

01:51:29.000 What does the right to life declaration of independence even mean?

01:51:32.000 I mean, that's this is just a really, really long and difficult ethical conundrum pertaining

01:51:38.000 to liberty, morality.

01:51:40.000 And usually whenever we get into a pro-life versus choice, like debate, it becomes like

01:51:44.000 a whole new hour long.

01:51:45.000 I'm sure philosophical, you know, physical body versus the the person itself.

01:51:49.000 When do you acknowledge it as a person?

01:51:51.000 As a prisoner?

01:51:53.000 The death penalty?

01:51:55.000 There's just a million, a million and one different things.

01:51:57.000 It makes it so difficult.

01:51:59.000 So difficult.

01:52:00.000 I remember when we had Seamus here from Freedom Tunes and it was like, we took a super chat and then turned into like a 20 or 30 minute discussion about it.

01:52:07.000 It's not easy.

01:52:08.000 It's not easy.

01:52:09.000 But I do think that the ability to have the conversation at all is something that's lacking.

01:52:14.000 I was talking to a friend who told me that she used to be safe legal but rare, and now she's unrestricted in every capacity.

01:52:23.000 And I'm like, how did that happen?

01:52:26.000 Yeah, and the Democratic Party shifted, I think, pretty quickly on that, and that drove a lot of it.

01:52:30.000 Caitlin Flanagan, who's a writer at The Atlantic, writes really, really good and really compellingly on this about how Part of the issue is the two sides just don't talk to each other, right?

01:52:37.000 The pro-life and the pro-choice sides are making two fundamentally different arguments about fundamentally different things, and at no point do those two ever intersect, and so we're just shouting.

01:52:45.000 Have you heard the Louis C.K.

01:52:46.000 bit on this?

01:52:47.000 He was like, you know, people who are pro-choice don't—basically, he made a joke about this.

01:52:52.000 He's like, they don't understand what conservatives think.

01:52:54.000 He's like, conservatives think that you're killing babies! 0.58

01:52:57.000 He's like, if I thought you were killing babies, I'd be freaking out, too!

01:53:00.000 Right, yeah, exactly.

01:53:01.000 That's what they're saying.

01:53:03.000 So, it is, uh, it really is, this is, this is, this is one of these issues where there's no fence.

01:53:09.000 It is, it is a, like, needles tip.

01:53:11.000 You don't, a razor's edge.

01:53:13.000 There's, there's no in the middle.

01:53:14.000 It's like, you fall on one side, and there's, it's, it's tough, man.

01:53:18.000 So, I don't, I don't, I don't know how to answer the question adequately, other than, I'm not gonna, I don't want to reiterate the same debates we have over and over again on, like, life, liberty, and stuff like this, but, you know, much respect for the question. 0.95

01:53:30.000 Cassette says, hey Tim, have some money because of millionaire cocksuckers. 1.00

01:53:35.000 Well, it was George Carlin who said it, you know, but I'll take that in his honor.

01:53:39.000 Long Reach Jones says, look at what is documented of Capitol Hill grind.

01:53:44.000 Congressmen and senators being pulled away from meetings and important work to be forced to fundraise for their parties.

01:53:50.000 Yeah.

01:53:50.000 Soul destroying stuff.

01:53:51.000 That's true.

01:53:52.000 That's a good, they spent a lot of time doing that.

01:53:54.000 Yeah.

01:53:54.000 And they have to, right?

01:53:55.000 And I think, again, like, I'm gonna sound a little bit wet behind the ears, I think, here, but I think a lot of them hate it, right?

01:54:00.000 Like, I think there are a lot of politicians who really hate the fact that they have to go out hat in hand to so many people, many people they don't agree with, so often.

01:54:07.000 We got a great one here from Pauly.

01:54:09.000 Pauly V says, Tim went fishing today and took no care to politics for the day.

01:54:13.000 I recommend everyone do something to escape from the madness we live in for a brief moment to just breathe and relax.

01:54:19.000 Tim actually got a mountain bike today.

01:54:21.000 Well, not yet.

01:54:22.000 It's gotta be picked up soon, but I'm just gonna go mountain biking.

01:54:25.000 That looked like a head-clearing endeavor.

01:54:27.000 I mean, skateboarding is.

01:54:28.000 I skate like every day.

01:54:30.000 Skateboarding's great.

01:54:31.000 Fishing sounds nice.

01:54:32.000 I went outside and just breathed in the air and it smelled so good.

01:54:35.000 Yeah.

01:54:35.000 People need to get outside.

01:54:36.000 I imagine living in a city will drive you insane at a certain, if you're in there for too long.

01:54:40.000 Yes.

01:54:41.000 Yeah.

01:54:41.000 Guilty.

01:54:42.000 You're like, you're, you're in a, you're, you're in a giant concrete block.

01:54:45.000 You forget what animals are except for squirrels and pigeons.

01:54:48.000 Yes.

01:54:48.000 And then it's like rats in DC, unfortunately.

01:54:50.000 Oh man.

01:54:51.000 Not because of, you hear what's going on in New York with, because of COVID. 0.96

01:54:53.000 Oh, yes, the rats.

01:54:54.000 I remember hearing about this.

01:54:55.000 They're coming out?

01:54:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:56.000 And chasing people?

01:54:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:58.000 Because they're running out of their usual food source.

01:55:00.000 There was a crazy video where a bunch of baboons were fighting in the streets in India or something.

01:55:05.000 Because they usually have tourists throwing food to them.

01:55:08.000 Now there was nobody, so they're fighting each other for food.

01:55:10.000 Yeah, they ended up killing somebody.

01:55:12.000 A person?

01:55:13.000 Yep, they killed a person.

01:55:14.000 Whoa, did they eat him?

01:55:16.000 That's really dark.

01:55:17.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:55:17.000 And eat him?

01:55:18.000 I imagine they were not happy with him.

01:55:23.000 I hope the rats don't get that bad.

01:55:27.000 I know, I hope not.

01:55:29.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:55:31.000 Yeah, we were trying to get Styx on for a long time.

01:55:33.000 We're trying so hard.

01:55:34.000 Yeah, Styx is on the top of our list of people who want to go on the show.

01:55:37.000 He was the first person I think I asked.

01:55:38.000 Yeah.

01:55:39.000 He's in Canada?

01:55:41.000 No, he's off overseas I think right now.

01:55:44.000 It's gonna be tough.

01:55:44.000 He'll turn up eventually.

01:55:45.000 We'll get him in!

01:55:47.000 Someone says Odysseus Horse says just breaking Fox News reports laptop connected to Hunter Biden also connected to FBI money laundering probe.

01:55:53.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

01:55:54.000 Well, it's just a super chat.

01:55:55.000 So we'll see what you know, we'll see.

01:55:56.000 We'll see.

01:55:56.000 I trust our super chats.

01:55:58.000 That would be a big deal.

01:56:00.000 Let's see where we at.

01:56:03.000 Omega Hunter says, please ask if Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, and Ben Shapiro to join your IRL stream at some point in the future.

01:56:10.000 I mean, you know what I don't like doing is like, this person has a really big show.

01:56:15.000 Why don't you come on my show?

01:56:16.000 It's like, well, they have a show, right?

01:56:18.000 I mean, having the conversation is great, so.

01:56:20.000 I would love to, but when you get that big, you start to run into like agents and then you have trouble actually getting in touch with people.

01:56:27.000 I just want to talk to the person, not their agent.

01:56:29.000 I know, man.

01:56:30.000 It really is tough.

01:56:31.000 There's like a, there's like a certain, uh, uh, like profile size.

01:56:35.000 That's really great.

01:56:36.000 But some people don't like, they're just like long careers and we try to book them.

01:56:41.000 They're like, talk to my booking agent.

01:56:43.000 And it's like, nah, I'm not doing that.

01:56:45.000 That's, that's exactly.

01:56:46.000 It's like, it's when you, it's like when you've got to enter your credit card information for a free trial.

01:56:50.000 It's like the step on its own might not be too much, but under these circumstances, I can't do it.

01:56:54.000 That's definitely too much.

01:56:55.000 I would say mad shout out to Rogan, Peterson, and Shapiro.

01:57:00.000 Yeah, those guys are phenomenal.

01:57:01.000 Is that Betsy or Bucko?

01:57:03.000 Why is Betsy yelling? 1.00

01:57:03.000 I think there's a bug. 1.00

01:57:04.000 Oh, probably.

01:57:05.000 I think she wants up.

01:57:10.000 No, she was yelling at the bug.

01:57:12.000 So it's stink bug season in the East Coast.

01:57:15.000 Fall and spring, man.

01:57:17.000 But, like, stink bugs smell really bad.

01:57:19.000 Like, do you have a lot of them in D.C.?

01:57:21.000 Not too bad.

01:57:21.000 I grew up in Massachusetts, so I had them everywhere.

01:57:23.000 Yeah, right.

01:57:24.000 But they're kind of funny, you know?

01:57:26.000 Yeah, so it's interesting.

01:57:27.000 My girlfriend had never seen a stink bug before, and so we had one.

01:57:32.000 That was in my apartment.

01:57:33.000 And I was like, I, I remember I like called her over cause it was obviously the start of stink bug season.

01:57:36.000 I was like, this is it. 0.99

01:57:38.000 Like this, this dumb dorky, like poorly moving guy, like poorly moving. 1.00

01:57:42.000 Like there's, there's no way. 1.00

01:57:44.000 Big believer in evolution.

01:57:45.000 But I will pause and say that stink bugs have got to be an accident somewhere along the line.

01:57:49.000 And I was like, this is it.

01:57:50.000 The dreaded creature itself.

01:57:52.000 We got, we have, we have two cats in this house and it's really funny because when the stink bugs first started coming in, Betsy walks up to it and sniffs it and immediately recoils and goes, yeah.

01:58:02.000 And then like a week later, Bucko walks up and sees one and I'm like, oh, he's going to do it.

01:58:06.000 And he sniffs and goes.

01:58:09.000 You're smart.

01:58:10.000 The brown, what are they called?

01:58:11.000 The marmorated ones.

01:58:12.000 They came from China and East Asia.

01:58:15.000 Everything bad comes from China. 1.00

01:58:16.000 1989 or something.

01:58:18.000 They were introduced to this area of the country.

01:58:21.000 And now they never leave.

01:58:22.000 Yeah.

01:58:22.000 Nope.

01:58:22.000 They'll never leave.

01:58:23.000 Jake of all trades says, Tim, what kind of guns did you buy?

01:58:26.000 I don't think you're supposed to just come out and say, right?

01:58:29.000 My dad never would.

01:58:30.000 Yeah.

01:58:30.000 I was told, I was told not to tell people what kind of guns I have, but I have a lot.

01:58:33.000 Cool.

01:58:33.000 Talking about how much you make every year.

01:58:35.000 Yep.

01:58:35.000 That's right.

01:58:35.000 I always thought that was weird.

01:58:36.000 Cause I would just tell people and they're like, Oh, you can't tell people that.

01:58:38.000 Who gives?

01:58:39.000 I do.

01:58:41.000 There's a really simple way to ask a woman what her age is.

01:58:51.000 I always say this, are you old enough to where if I ask your age you'll be offended?

01:58:55.000 And then, no matter what answer they give, you know, you got a certain range.

01:58:59.000 Or a laugh.

01:59:00.000 So I've actually it's really funny cuz I use that joke a ton of times on women and older women are of the you know that the Culture don't ask them in her age. 0.99

01:59:09.000 Yeah, and so Sometimes it's usually a funny thing because they understand it's a joke, right?

01:59:14.000 But I've had some sour responses like you can't ask me that I'm like, I know you're older than that means you are Yeah, exactly.

01:59:22.000 You've given everything away!

01:59:24.000 Right, right.

01:59:24.000 I have all the information I need now.

01:59:25.000 And young women don't have this, so they'll laugh and be like, I'm 30. 0.69

01:59:29.000 Yeah.

01:59:29.000 And it's like, oh, you know.

01:59:31.000 Well, I don't know, maybe it's an age thing and not a culture thing.

01:59:34.000 Kayper2x says, Tim, consider a Starlink connection for internet access.

01:59:38.000 Yes, if, just let me call Elon Musk, and I would love to get Starlink internet.

01:59:44.000 Let's tweet at him.

01:59:44.000 What is it, like gigabit satellite?

01:59:46.000 Oh, I have no idea.

01:59:47.000 Oh, that's awesome.

01:59:48.000 Yeah.

01:59:48.000 Yup.

01:59:49.000 We need it, man.

01:59:49.000 This would be a great beta test.

01:59:52.000 Elon, please, give us Starlink.

01:59:55.000 That would be fantastic.

01:59:56.000 Or at least that super fast train that he's gonna do between DC and New York.

02:00:00.000 Yeah, seriously.

02:00:00.000 Yeah, right, right.

02:00:01.000 Let's go, man.

02:00:02.000 J. Mill says, it'd be nice to see Viva Frey and Robert Barnes duo make it on also.

02:00:08.000 Incredible legal insight.

02:00:10.000 Well, yeah.

02:00:10.000 I'm trying to get Viva on.

02:00:12.000 At first I thought that was the fray like the band.

02:00:14.000 I was like, wow, if the fray came on, that would be... I would find that cool.

02:00:17.000 I would find that super cool.

02:00:19.000 I don't know.

02:00:19.000 I don't know how many of your viewers would.

02:00:21.000 A lot of requests.

02:00:22.000 Look at this.

02:00:22.000 Krillin876 says, TP, are you going to have Michael Tracy on the show?

02:00:26.000 He was waiting for your request.

02:00:28.000 Waiting for a request.

02:00:29.000 He is not waiting for a request.

02:00:31.000 I have one out with him and he is welcome to get back to me anytime, Michael.

02:00:35.000 Yeah, I think he was like one of the first people we invited.

02:00:37.000 Definitely, Michael Tracy.

02:00:39.000 He does good work.

02:00:40.000 Yeah, he does great work.

02:00:41.000 Let's see, what else we got?

02:00:43.000 Sedated and restrained says, with SCOTUS leaning conservative, do you think it'll be possible to get NFA and other gun laws ruled unconstitutional?

02:00:49.000 Oh, what do you think, Drew?

02:00:50.000 It's a good question.

02:00:50.000 I mean, I remember last time I was on, we talked a little bit about the kind of strict constructionist and constitutionalist views that some of the judges have.

02:00:56.000 I think, I don't know, I'm of the opinion, maybe naively so, that it's going to be really hard, even with a conservative court, to overrule any long-standing principle.

02:01:05.000 So I think that you probably, maybe some of the more recent gun laws you might be able to chip away at, you could have future challenges that do that, but I think the same way about gun laws and Roe v. Wade and other things, like if they're mostly settled precedent, I think they will continue to be mostly settled precedent.

02:01:18.000 Here's an interesting one.

02:01:19.000 Hayden Hudson says, Rudy just claimed on GB he has only had laptop around five days.

02:01:24.000 Photos reported the day after discovered.

02:01:26.000 He had to confirm with others whether he needed to report it and they said yes, report it.

02:01:30.000 Interesting.

02:01:32.000 All right, let's see some retracted messages.

02:01:35.000 Jackson says, in Hong Kong, abortion is illegal unless the pregnancy endangers the mom and needs to be signed by two doctors.

02:01:42.000 Interesting.

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:43.000 Did you guys see Sony's new Terms of Service that are like just so pro-PRC?

02:01:50.000 Yeah, it's disgusting, dude.

02:01:52.000 Wow. 0.84

02:01:52.000 They launched it in Hong Kong. 0.84

02:01:53.000 It's like you can't speak anything that would dishonor the People's Republic of China.

02:01:58.000 It's this weird list of stuff.

02:01:59.000 Because it's in compliance with the new law that they passed.

02:02:01.000 What?

02:02:01.000 right and so the right right the expectation at least within China is

02:02:05.000 that that law is something that they could then use to to repatriate and

02:02:09.000 prosecute people within the country and so I think there are a lot of people a

02:02:12.000 lot of companies who are like oh I don't want anything to do that recording all

02:02:15.000 your voice chats they said if you use the Sony voice thing they're recording

02:02:19.000 everything yeah At least they let us know.

02:02:22.000 Seriously.

02:02:23.000 Let's see, let's see.

02:02:24.000 Josh B. says, Josh, be a tip from a Texan.

02:02:27.000 Never ask a farmer how many acres he or she farms.

02:02:29.000 Never ask a rancher how many heads of cattle he or she runs.

02:02:33.000 Well, there you go.

02:02:33.000 I'd buy that.

02:02:34.000 Oh, this is good.

02:02:35.000 Richard in Texas says, have Tom Fitton on.

02:02:36.000 Do it.

02:02:37.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:02:38.000 If I don't have to talk to his agent, I totally will, man.

02:02:40.000 Does he have an agent?

02:02:41.000 I'm sure he does.

02:02:42.000 Yeah, it's super famous.

02:02:44.000 Crillon876 says, Tim, did you ever see the 80s skateboarding movie Streets of Fire with Natas Kapis?

02:02:49.000 I have not.

02:02:50.000 I've seen Gleaming the Cube, though.

02:02:53.000 Let's see, Austin Showman says, context tracing.

02:02:55.000 Tim, need your thoughts on the subject.

02:02:58.000 I don't know.

02:02:59.000 Mostly fine, depending on how they end up doing it.

02:03:02.000 It can be a violation of people's privacy through, like, it's akin to tracking metadata.

02:03:08.000 I don't know.

02:03:10.000 My bigger concern is with, like, spying on people's phones, not so much with asking people if they'd like to help us figure out where this disease went.

02:03:18.000 If it's voluntary versus involuntary, that's the issue, right?

02:03:20.000 Yeah, right.

02:03:21.000 And you've got, I think, like, part of it is there's plenty of social coercion that can go into something like that, and so I think some of that, honestly, is good, where if you've got an event that you want to go to, a restaurant you want to go to, and they ask you casually, like, hey, will you put down your name and your phone number and whatever, then, like, I don't know, that makes sense to me.

02:03:34.000 I just, I've recently started going back to mass in person, and I know that that's something that they do there too.

02:03:38.000 And so I know I feel a lot more comfortable doing that.

02:03:40.000 And I get it, like, listen, I beef with the libertarians on Twitter all the time.

02:03:43.000 I get that there are privacy concerns.

02:03:44.000 I'm just not particularly motivated by any of them.

02:03:46.000 There's actually a private property issue.

02:03:49.000 If a business says, we want to track the people who come into our store, tell us, you know, you can come in under these conditions.

02:03:55.000 I mean, it's their business.

02:03:56.000 Yeah, right.

02:03:58.000 So there are challenges, though, because what I often say in terms of public accommodation is if I'm paying taxes that support your business, then I think there needs to be, you know, restrictions have to be reasonable.

02:04:08.000 But, I mean, my phone's always spying on me.

02:04:11.000 It's really annoying.

02:04:11.000 You guys ever catch this?

02:04:13.000 Periodically just turns on and starts tracking every word I say and it, like, shows me.

02:04:16.000 It's really annoying.

02:04:16.000 So true.

02:04:17.000 My phone has never done that.

02:04:18.000 Anyway!

02:04:19.000 I need more information, just out of the blue.

02:04:22.000 Yeah.

02:04:23.000 Periodically, while we're here, it'll turn on and I see my word.

02:04:26.000 Is that tracking?

02:04:27.000 Yeah, it does a voice-to-text thing.

02:04:28.000 That's really weird.

02:04:29.000 Welcome to the future!

02:04:30.000 They're spying on me!

02:04:32.000 I remember after Occupy Wall Street, it was really funny.

02:04:34.000 I had two phones.

02:04:35.000 I had an iPhone and an Android, and I couldn't turn them off.

02:04:38.000 Really?

02:04:39.000 They couldn't turn them off.

02:04:40.000 So if I turned them off, they would immediately turn back on.

02:04:42.000 Unless the battery died.

02:04:44.000 And so I was talking to... I mean, I understood back in the day what it typically meant when your phone wouldn't shut off.

02:04:51.000 But my hacker buddies and infosec buddies were like, yeah, they're probably spying on your phone.

02:04:56.000 Anyway, it's been fun.

02:04:59.000 Drew, thanks for hanging out.

02:05:00.000 It's a little bit after 10, so I think we're gonna get ready to wind things down.

02:05:03.000 We've got the debates tomorrow night.

02:05:05.000 We're gonna cook some pizzas.

02:05:07.000 Have some drinks, sit back, and hopefully it'll happen.

02:05:11.000 Whatever, I'm assuming it will.

02:05:12.000 Someone threw 20 bucks down saying it wasn't.

02:05:14.000 We'll see.

02:05:15.000 Drew, you want to mention your social media where people can catch those sweet, sweet threads?

02:05:18.000 Yeah, so best place for the threads, at least until they ban me, which could happen any day, is Drew Holden 360.

02:05:24.000 I hope all you guys will avenge me, too.

02:05:27.000 I hope it's not gonna happen, but it could be great in terms of my number of followers shooting up if I get banned.

02:05:32.000 I think that tends to help people.

02:05:32.000 When you come back.

02:05:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:05:35.000 It's Drew Holden 360.

02:05:37.000 My cover photo is someone saying that I look like a name-brand version of Shia LaBeouf, so you can't miss it.

02:05:43.000 Boom, there you go.

02:05:44.000 It's true.

02:05:45.000 And of course you can follow Ian Crossland.

02:05:46.000 Hello everyone, this is Betsy.

02:05:48.000 My social media tags are at Ian Crossland all over the place.

02:05:53.000 You may have noticed that there's an image of Joe Biden eating a small child behind Ian.

02:05:57.000 We rotated the photos.

02:05:59.000 Yeah, Drew, you've got the Joe Rogan, Donald Trump, and Biden one behind you.

02:06:03.000 His use of purple is just off the charts.

02:06:05.000 And then actually in the frame on Drew, you can see Elizabeth Warren looking really haggard.

02:06:11.000 Creepy looking.

02:06:11.000 Sketchy as heck.

02:06:12.000 As a Massachusetts native, this is mostly my worst nightmare.

02:06:15.000 Oh my gosh, for sure.

02:06:17.000 So, of course, you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.

02:06:19.000 You can.

02:06:19.000 I'm here.

02:06:20.000 L-I-D-S. 0.98

02:06:21.000 And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at Timcast.

02:06:24.000 Check out my other channels, YouTube.com slash Timcast and YouTube.com slash Timcast News, which apparently is slowly being removed from a blacklist, which is good news.

02:06:32.000 I was actually able to search it.

02:06:33.000 I checked today and they're back.

02:06:34.000 Others are still telling me it's not visible, so we'll see what ends up happening.

02:06:38.000 But this show is live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m., so smash that like button on the way out to help the channel.

02:06:43.000 Subscribe, hit that notification bell.

02:06:45.000 We'll have clips from this show up throughout the day tomorrow, and then Friday we will be back, but tomorrow we have no show because it is debates.

02:06:52.000 Yes.

02:06:53.000 Yeah.

02:06:53.000 Day off.

02:06:54.000 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:06:55.000 Well, kind of.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 22, 2020

Timcast IRL - Hunter Biden Laptop Forwarded To Police over CHILD Exploitation Allegation

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