Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - John Kerry Says Biden Is ALL IN On The GREAT RESET, w-Destiny

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00:00:24.000 Supreme Court has ruled in favor of churches in California There are more lockdowns on the way.

00:00:50.000 Joe Biden's advisor, Dr. Osterholm, says we need a six-week hard national lockdown.

00:00:56.000 But it seems like in many different circumstances, the Supreme Court is saying you can't do it.

00:00:59.000 There have been already several rulings over the past year.

00:01:02.000 Stopping many of these lockdowns.

00:01:04.000 We just saw the Supreme Court ruling in New York, but it seems like we're still going to be going through this back and forth of those who think we should and those who think we shouldn't.

00:01:11.000 But I bring this up because there is something else behind all of this, and it's called the Great Reset.

00:01:16.000 The World Economic Forum said that COVID is an opportunity to reset global capitalism so that global stakeholders have a better, you know, I don't know, responsibility towards the planet.

00:01:28.000 And the New York Times, the BBC, many outlets said this is a conspiracy theory.

00:01:32.000 They call it the Great Reset Conspiracy Theory.

00:01:36.000 Well, what they add is that the theory is there is a plan to reset global capitalism, but COVID was a hoax.

00:01:43.000 That's not necessarily what the Great Reset is, and so when you Google it, it's really funny.

00:01:46.000 You'll see the World Economic Forum saying the Great Reset Opportunity, and then next to it, the New York Times saying it's a conspiracy theory.

00:01:51.000 Well, regardless of the conspiracy stuff, I can say fine to the New York Times, but The Hill has recently published an op-ed, John Kerry Reveals Biden's Devotion to Radical Great Reset Movement.

00:02:02.000 And we can see in statements made by John Kerry, who's going to be representing the Biden administration in terms of climate change, That they want to take advantage of COVID to move into a kind of lockdown that would help alleviate the problems of climate change.

00:02:17.000 Considering what we've already seen, I can only imagine people will lose their minds and things will get really, really bad.

00:02:21.000 So we're going to break all this down and talk about this news, as well as some other news pertaining to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:02:26.000 And it works out really well because today we are joined by the one and only Destiny.

00:02:30.000 Hey, what's up?

00:02:31.000 Thanks for having me here.

00:02:32.000 I'll just let you describe yourself, do a quick intro because I don't want to, you know, Yeah, so I do politics and gaming on, which camera looks at me?

00:02:39.000 Who do I look at?

00:02:40.000 That one right there.

00:02:40.000 That guy?

00:02:41.000 Okay.

00:02:41.000 I do politics and gaming on Twitch and YouTube.

00:02:43.000 I go by Destiny there.

00:02:46.000 I don't know how I would characterize myself politically, probably center left to far left, or if you're a communist, I'm far right.

00:02:52.000 And yeah, otherwise, yeah, we just run down, I'm a huge riding for Biden supporter.

00:02:56.000 Are you really?

00:02:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:57.000 A million percent.

00:02:58.000 Love him.

00:02:58.000 I hear him described as Obama 2.0.

00:03:01.000 Very much in favor of that.

00:03:02.000 So I'm excited for four years of Biden.

00:03:04.000 Maybe eight years.

00:03:05.000 Maybe he'll go for a second term.

00:03:06.000 We'll see.

00:03:06.000 Otherwise, maybe Kamala Harris will step in for the second term.

00:03:09.000 And oh, man, how exciting would that be?

00:03:11.000 Most progressive voting record in the Senate.

00:03:13.000 I think people, they always assume that, like, it's going to be some kind of Internet bloodsport.

00:03:17.000 We clearly disagree in a lot of stuff.

00:03:19.000 It's going to be a fun conversation.

00:03:20.000 I think, you know, we'll have some back and forth.

00:03:21.000 It'll be great.

00:03:22.000 I think you were mentioning, you know, all that stuff because Where you were looking at me as you were saying Biden, Obama 2.0 and all that stuff.

00:03:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:29.000 Yeah.

00:03:29.000 It'll be fun.

00:03:30.000 Yeah.

00:03:30.000 Right on.

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00:03:31.000 We were testing the limiters before this, screaming, seeing how loud we can go on the mics.

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00:03:53.000 Well, let's just jump to the first story.

00:03:55.000 And we'll we'll talk about John Kerry reveals Biden's devotion to radical Great Reset movement from the Hill.

00:04:04.000 This to me is really funny because they say the Great Racist Conspiracy Theory, but it's actually what they've been calling it for some time.

00:04:09.000 The Hill says, in June, elites at important international institutions such as the World

00:04:15.000 Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to reset the global economy.

00:04:21.000 The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social

00:04:25.000 programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs

00:04:30.000 to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.

00:04:33.000 Obviously, this is a... I think it's a biased view of what they're saying, but to be fair, the World Economic Forum has pushed a lot of left-wing causes as they've referenced the Great Reset.

00:04:43.000 He goes on to say, the two justifications for the proposal, which has been aptly named by its supporters, the Great Reset, are the COVID-19 pandemic, the short-term justification, and the so-called climate crisis caused by global warming, the long-term justification.

00:04:57.000 According to the Great Reset supporters, the plan would fundamentally transform much of society, as World Economic Forum head Klaus Schwab wrote back in June, quote, The world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies.

00:05:11.000 From education to social contracts and working conditions, every country from the United States to China must participate and every industry from oil and gas to tech must be transformed.

00:05:21.000 In short, we need a great reset of capitalism.

00:05:25.000 They go on to say, Internationally, the Great Reset has already been backed by influential leaders, activists, academics, and institutions, in addition to the World Economic Forum and the United Nations.

00:05:34.000 The Great Reset movement counts among its international... among its... There's a missing word there, I suppose.

00:05:40.000 The International Monetary Fund, heads of state, Greenpeace, and CEOs and residents of large corporations and financial institutions such as Microsoft and MasterCard.

00:05:49.000 But in America, most policymakers, including President-elect Joe Biden, have been relatively quiet about the Great Reset, leaving many to speculate what a Biden administration would do to support or oppose this radical plan.

00:06:00.000 They go on to say that at a panel discussion about the Great Reset hosted by the World Economic Forum in mid-November, former Secretary of State John Kerry, Biden's would-be special presidential envoy for climate, Firmly declared that the Biden administration will support the Great Reset and that the Great Reset, quote, will happen with greater speed and with greater intensity than a lot of people might imagine.

00:06:20.000 When asked by panel host Borge Brend whether the World Economic Forum and other Great Reset supporters are expecting too much too soon from the new president, Or is he going to deliver the first day on these topics?

00:06:33.000 The answer to your question is no.

00:06:35.000 You're not expecting too much.

00:06:37.000 And yes, the Great Reset will happen, and I think it will happen with greater speed and with greater intensity than a lot of people might imagine.

00:06:44.000 In effect, the citizens of the United States have just done a Great Reset.

00:06:47.000 We've done a Great Reset, and it was a record level of voting.

00:06:51.000 Kerry later argued that the Great Reset is necessary to slow the climate crisis, and that, quote, I know Joe Biden believes it's not enough to just rejoin the Paris Climate Accords for the United States.

00:07:02.000 It's not enough for us to just do the minimum of what Paris requires.

00:07:06.000 So I'm not going to read literally every, you know, the last bit of this.

00:07:10.000 It's clearly an opinion piece, but it's talking about something that's actually happening.

00:07:14.000 Lockdowns.

00:07:14.000 I'm going to ask you, Destiny, your opinion, because you were mentioning before that you're for them.

00:07:20.000 Well, oh, are we going to talk about the Great Reset or are we going to talk about lockdowns?

00:07:22.000 Well, we're going to talk about the Great Reset, for sure.

00:07:24.000 I mean, unless you want to respond to that first.

00:07:26.000 Oh, that all sounded really cool, I guess.

00:07:28.000 The idea that we have an opportunity to reorganize things based around, like, some kind of, like, ongoing crisis that might expose, you know, weak parts of our economy or weak parts of, you know, healthcare infrastructure, whatever.

00:07:38.000 Like, I think the idea of capitalizing on those types of disasters and moving new programs forward, I think is really good.

00:07:45.000 I think it's, like, pretty standard business practice, too.

00:07:47.000 Right?

00:07:47.000 Like, nobody files bankruptcy and comes back the exact same way, right?

00:07:51.000 Usually it's an opportunity to restructure your business, to get rid of stuff that doesn't work, to improve on stuff that does work.

00:07:55.000 Like, I don't see the horrible part about that.

00:07:57.000 But more specifically, lockdowns?

00:07:59.000 Yeah, so I guess the general idea is that when they're talking about lockdowns, they're not talking about COVID.

00:08:05.000 They're talking about the Great Reset and climate change.

00:08:07.000 And that's the gist of what I get from John Kerry's statements.

00:08:11.000 Initially, they said the Great Reset, you know, of global capitalism, whatever, would be due to COVID.

00:08:16.000 It's a great opportunity to do it.

00:08:17.000 But then clearly what their real concern is climate change.

00:08:22.000 Just because you take an opportunity to—so I think it was Chicago, I think, was one of the cities that had massive fires that ravaged the city, and they used the opportunity to rebuild a lot of the city's infrastructure.

00:08:31.000 I don't think people were ever claiming they set the fires just to rebuild the city.

00:08:35.000 I don't think anybody would claim that we want to lock down the country just to further climate change.

00:08:40.000 There might be a way to make that argument.

00:08:42.000 To stop climate change.

00:08:42.000 Or to further climate change agenda, anti-climate change agenda, yeah.

00:08:45.000 That might be an argument that one could make in another world where we aren't topping ourselves every single day with record numbers of infections and deaths.

00:08:51.000 Like if we were Australia or New Zealand and we were doing lockdowns continually, then maybe like, oh, hold on, there's an agenda here.

00:08:58.000 But I mean like we're losing twin towers worth of people every day.

00:09:02.000 The idea that this is just a conspiracy to pass climate change agenda stuff seems like a hard sell to me.

00:09:06.000 I don't think it's that it's a conspiracy.

00:09:07.000 I think it's that they're exploiting a crisis.

00:09:09.000 But that's good, shouldn't we do that?

00:09:11.000 Not necessarily.

00:09:12.000 Isn't a crisis one of your best opportunities to restructure?

00:09:16.000 Like I give with the example of a failing business.

00:09:19.000 If something really horrible happens, generally horrible things happen because they expose some type of flaw or defect in what you do.

00:09:25.000 Isn't that the time for change?

00:09:26.000 Especially because that's when you're going to get the most activism behind it.

00:09:29.000 Don't people have rights, though?

00:09:31.000 Like, don't you have a right to make choices for yourself, live your life, especially with the Constitution?

00:09:38.000 Kind of.

00:09:39.000 That's a very vague sense.

00:09:40.000 I mean, like, do I have the right to go out and get drunk and drive?

00:09:43.000 You don't.

00:09:44.000 Okay, so we have some rights, right?

00:09:46.000 Insofar as we're not infringing on the rights of others.

00:09:48.000 So whether that's crashing in a drunk driving accident or infecting somebody with SARS-CoV-2, right?

00:09:52.000 It probably depends on what right we're talking about, I would imagine.

00:09:55.000 Yeah, so if you don't want to get sick, then shouldn't you stay home?

00:10:00.000 If you don't want a drunk driver to hit you, should you just never drive?

00:10:02.000 Well, that's different.

00:10:03.000 That's someone who might be sick and doesn't know and is living their life under emergency circumstances.

00:10:08.000 Like, I have to make money and feed my family.

00:10:10.000 There's no circumstance where you have to be drunk and drive to feed your family.

00:10:12.000 There's no circumstance where you have to be outside and standing right next to people without a mask or whatever, right?

00:10:16.000 Well, we're not talking about that.

00:10:17.000 We're talking, well, I mean, if you want to criticize the Black Lives Matter protests and, you know, the Biden, you know, the big Biden rallies or whatever they just did when Biden won.

00:10:25.000 Then yeah, there's no reason for those people to be doing that stuff.

00:10:27.000 You know, you can simultaneously criticize them and the anti-lockdown people, too, as well, right?

00:10:31.000 That's not like I can criticize both.

00:10:33.000 To my knowledge, a lot of the people in those protests were wearing masks, though.

00:10:36.000 I mean, from what I saw.

00:10:37.000 Well, in the Biden one, they were taking their masks off and drinking and sharing drinks was like one of the big videos that came around. 0.99

00:10:42.000 Sure, that's pretty dumb. 1.00

00:10:43.000 That's pretty dumb, for sure. 0.99

00:10:45.000 But more fundamentally, I'm just saying that to come up with the, like, don't we have rights? 0.99

00:10:50.000 Well, yeah, I mean, of course we do.

00:10:52.000 But I mean, we learned this growing up.

00:10:53.000 With more rights also comes more responsibility, you know?

00:10:57.000 I think the drunk driving thing doesn't work.

00:11:00.000 Like, there's a guy in Staten Island who got arrested trying to run his bar.

00:11:03.000 He has to.

00:11:04.000 Otherwise, he becomes homeless and he can't feed his family.

00:11:07.000 And then what?

00:11:07.000 Do they beg the government for help?

00:11:09.000 The government's not giving it to him.

00:11:10.000 And you can blame Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi.

00:11:11.000 No, we can blame Mitch McConnell.

00:11:12.000 Pelosi sent him, like, trillions of dollars of bills that are dying on his desk.

00:11:16.000 But we still had Democrats saying it was Pelosi's fault.

00:11:18.000 You had Wolf Blitzer criticizing Pelosi.

00:11:19.000 So I think it's fair to point the finger at both.

00:11:22.000 We're pointing a very short dwarven finger at one, and we're pointing the nose of Pinocchio at the other. 0.98

00:11:28.000 In terms of people fighting over specifically what is Pelosi pushing for, what is she not pushing for, there can be back and forth over that.

00:11:34.000 The fact of the matter is there was some $2.5 trillion bill that was left in McConnell's desk when he moonwalked out of the Senate after they confirmed ACB.

00:11:41.000 For sure.

00:11:41.000 The blame is not even remotely close to equal there.

00:11:44.000 The House passed legislation, the Senate let it die.

00:11:46.000 That's true.

00:11:47.000 You can't both sides that one, I don't think.

00:11:48.000 I, well, I think that's, whether or not it's me trying to do it, that's just what people are doing, right?

00:11:53.000 Well, so Wolf Blitzer might have specifically criticized, like, hey, Pelosi, maybe you could have gotten... He cited Ro Khanna.

00:11:58.000 What?

00:11:58.000 He cited Ro Khanna.

00:11:59.000 He was citing Democrats who were calling out Pelosi, and Pelosi didn't want to answer the question.

00:12:03.000 So, look, if, like, obviously if you're on the right, the right's gonna say, see, the issue with the HEROES Act was that they wanted, like, you know, they were stuffing things in it that didn't make sense, and the Republicans did the same thing, they wanted money for an FBI building.

00:12:15.000 I don't want to go off on the Democrat versus Republican.

00:12:18.000 Sure.

00:12:18.000 Well, it's important because I don't—obviously, as a huge diehard Biden fan, I'm going to fight viciously back against the idea that both sides messed up.

00:12:26.000 The fact of the matter is that if I go into the Senate, they did not give us legislation for any type of coronavirus release, and Pelosi did.

00:12:31.000 She delivered.

00:12:32.000 We have that legislation.

00:12:33.000 It's sitting on the floor of the Senate, and it's never going to be called for a vote.

00:12:37.000 I want to keep it to the discussion of the lockdown rights, the Great Reset stuff.

00:12:42.000 The government is clearly not providing for people, regardless of who's fault it is.

00:12:46.000 You can say it's Republicans' fault, then absolutely.

00:12:48.000 What is a working class man or woman to do when they're told, specifically in Staten Island, the issue was that this bar wasn't allowed to serve people, but two blocks away, everything was normal.

00:12:58.000 They said, this specific zone has been locked down.

00:13:01.000 So when the guy said, I have nothing left, I have nothing left to lose, the money that did go out overwhelmingly went to massive corporations.

00:13:08.000 The lockdown is overwhelmingly benefitting.

00:13:13.000 The money should go to massive corporations, right?

00:13:15.000 No.

00:13:16.000 Why not?

00:13:17.000 It should go to the people who can then buy resources.

00:13:18.000 It should go to the businesses to make sure they can cover their costs and their taxes.

00:13:21.000 Okay, so the PPP loans, I wish I could remember what everybody's saying for it, but the PPP loans were loans given to corporations that allow them to cover up to 2.5 months of employment expenses when they paid employees.

00:13:32.000 If they did that, then the loan was going to be forgiven.

00:13:34.000 We still haven't gotten the paperwork for what that forgiveness looks like, but that's the point.

00:13:38.000 So if I have one corporation that hires 10,000 people and another company that hires 10 people, Well, of course more money's gonna go to the corporations, because there's more payroll to cover, right?

00:13:45.000 But it's not, but the corporations aren't... It's a semantic issue.

00:13:48.000 It's not semantic, no, it's very important, yeah.

00:13:50.000 What I meant was not that a small business with 10 employees was getting money.

00:13:53.000 What I meant was, when the lockdown happens, the money ends up in the hands of the ultra-wealthy.

00:13:59.000 The stores that are allowed to remain open tend to be the big box stores, and that's why we saw the massive profits, the massive spiking in stock value for these big companies, notably Amazon.

00:14:07.000 The working class people got $1,200.

00:14:10.000 Yes, I'm just talking very specifically because it's very important to understand each of these policies.

00:14:16.000 So the PPP only works for you if you pay out employees.

00:14:20.000 So I got a PPP loan.

00:14:22.000 The way that that works, the way that the paperwork details is that when I get that money, I can claim up to two and a half times the expenses of all of my employees.

00:14:28.000 And the only money that's forgiven for me is what I pay out to my employees.

00:14:32.000 So for me personally, there were like two people that I kept on payroll just because, oh, well, the government's going to pay for it.

00:14:35.000 Yeah, screw it.

00:14:36.000 I'll take the PPP money and then I'll continue to pay them out because it'll be forgiven.

00:14:38.000 I only kept those two people on payroll because the government gave me that PPP money.

00:14:42.000 Any corporation isn't going to pocket the money.

00:14:43.000 It gets paid out to employees.

00:14:44.000 It has to be.

00:14:45.000 Did they give you money to pay your rent, pay your taxes, pay your costs, replace perishable goods?

00:14:50.000 No, it's just to cover the cost of employing the employees.

00:14:53.000 What happens in the lockdown is massive businesses, the likes of McDonald's, Starbucks, they can shut down and they can roll their eyes.

00:14:59.000 Oh, 100% I agree.

00:15:00.000 Small businesses are being destroyed.

00:15:02.000 So that's the question I said, don't people have rights?

00:15:05.000 We see now there's a West Michigan story going viral.

00:15:08.000 Where a guy, there's a news report going on, a guy walks out of his restaurant and he yells to the news reporter, he's like, is this you?

00:15:14.000 Are you talking about me?

00:15:15.000 And he said, they've taken everything.

00:15:17.000 The money is going to their friends, it's going to special interests.

00:15:20.000 The bailout that came out, people did get a stimulus, and then money did go to small businesses, but if the small businesses are shut down and can't sell things, what happens?

00:15:28.000 The restaurant, their perishable goods, gone.

00:15:30.000 They can't reopen.

00:15:31.000 So in New Jersey, a third of small businesses have been destroyed.

00:15:34.000 Sure, and I've heard similar in New York, restaurants and everything.

00:15:36.000 Like, a lot of places that are closing are never coming back, probably.

00:15:38.000 It's a tragedy, of course, yeah.

00:15:40.000 So, I guess to keep it in context of the Great Reset, talking about exploiting a crisis to make some change is also destroying the lives of people, resulting in spikes in suicide, spikes in crime.

00:15:51.000 I don't think we're locking down, though, for the Great Reset.

00:15:54.000 I think we're locking down because record numbers of people are getting infected and dying from the coronavirus.

00:15:58.000 If we can do something on the backs of that, I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world.

00:16:01.000 Maybe part of that Great Reset, and I'm almost positive without knowing the intricacies, I'm pretty sure that part of that Great Reset is probably gonna be more stimulus for small business owners.

00:16:08.000 It's gonna be covering healthcare for people.

00:16:10.000 It's gonna be more types of checks or disbursements during times of crisis.

00:16:14.000 That's probably gonna be baked into that Great Reset as well, because as you accurately pointed out, the relief that we got so far, even the PPP loans were a joke.

00:16:22.000 And what is it?

00:16:22.000 One $1,200 check, I think, went out to every American?

00:16:25.000 It would have almost been better to send nothing, because that $1,200 was like a slap on the face.

00:16:29.000 Like, what's wrong?

00:16:29.000 Did you know that 23.6% of all U.S.

00:16:32.000 dollars ever created was created this year?

00:16:34.000 I was not aware of that.

00:16:36.000 That's crazy, right?

00:16:37.000 It doesn't sound too crazy.

00:16:38.000 It sounds like probably the Fed is doing what it can to... The Fed's primary job is to reduce inflation and to curb unemployment, which is funny because Trump always takes credit for low black unemployment, even though that's squarely in the job of the Federal Reserve, which has no oversight from the President.

00:16:50.000 But the Federal Reserve probably sees that we are spiking unemployment as long as we're not raising in inflation, which we haven't been.

00:16:56.000 Their goal would probably be some form of QE, quantitative easing, or super low interest rates, whatever.

00:17:00.000 So yeah, that makes sense.

00:17:01.000 I think, first of all, I'd say I agree with you on a lot of these things.

00:17:05.000 And also, if your perspective is the lockdowns are strictly because of, we have this pandemic.

00:17:14.000 That's an opinion, I guess.

00:17:15.000 You know, you can—you'll argue that you're correct.

00:17:18.000 I think when you look at certain jurisdictions and you look at the World Health Organization saying it's a very, very last resort, it should be avoided, and it can be, and they do it anyway, it sounds to me like, well, they've said it.

00:17:28.000 They want to exploit COVID-19.

00:17:30.000 It's their opportunity to enact this policy.

00:17:33.000 And they didn't say it was because of COVID-19.

00:17:35.000 They said it was because of climate change.

00:17:36.000 So, should I disregard the World Health Organization's warning about lockdowns, or just assume?

00:17:43.000 I don't know among major countries, because I know there are some small ones, but among every country we're 11th right now in per capita death, and we lead the world in absolute death.

00:17:51.000 I don't know what last resort sounds like to you, but that sounds like we're pretty close to last resort there.

00:17:55.000 This is the big challenge.

00:17:59.000 Our economy is, what did we drop, like 30% or like 30-something percent this year?

00:18:04.000 Potentially, yeah.

00:18:06.000 We're facing mass evictions.

00:18:07.000 Mass unemployment, yep.

00:18:09.000 The reason I pointed out the printing of money is that that is absolutely not a solution in any capacity.

00:18:13.000 It's a desperate last resort where they're just like money printer go brr, desperately trying to keep the machine churning in some capacity.

00:18:21.000 But if people ultimately stop doing things that give the money value, then ultimately we're headed towards some kind of really serious economic collapse.

00:18:31.000 I'm not going to disagree with you here, and we talked a little bit about this off air.

00:18:35.000 The problem is that right now we have the worst of both worlds, and that we are doing half-assed lockdowns that are locking down just enough to absolutely destroy small businesses and average workers, but we're not locking

00:18:47.000 down enough to prevent the spread of the disease. So what we're getting is the disease is

00:18:50.000 spreading almost uninhibited, or it almost feels like it's uninhibited. I'm sure it has been to some

00:18:53.000 extent. And then we're seeing all these businesses close down. And because we're doing it in such a

00:18:58.000 lackadaisical manner, like nothing is actually moving in a positive direction.

00:19:02.000 We haven't eliminated the virus in any part of the U.S.

00:19:04.000 We're still in, like, that map is in, like, purple spreading in almost every— I think in every single state.

00:19:08.000 And then people are suffering severe economic harm as well.

00:19:10.000 Right now, whatever we're doing— Like, if you were to ask me, like, well, should we just not lock down anything or whatever?

00:19:15.000 If it was between just doing no lockdowns and doing what we're doing now, I might even say, like, okay, yeah, like, whatever.

00:19:21.000 I think that's it, actually.

00:19:23.000 Sure.

00:19:24.000 The guy at the restaurant that I mentioned in Michigan, he straight-up said, if the government gave me enough money to keep everything moving, I'd happily walk away for two months.

00:19:31.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:19:32.000 I think it really just comes down to... If we were going to shut down businesses, we have to support them through the shutdown.

00:19:37.000 You can't just expect people to stay home and have... We don't expect American Airlines or Walmart or any other massive corporation to have six months of savings, and these people are doing revenue in the 9, 10, 11 digits.

00:19:48.000 Why do you expect, you know, Frank that owns a bar down the street to, you know, like small business owners aren't making tens of millions of dollars a year off of their business.

00:19:55.000 You know, these people aren't going to have the savings to get through six months of not operating their business.

00:19:59.000 It's a tough problem.

00:20:01.000 I think you have a lot of people on the right saying, protect the vulnerable, social distance, wear masks, but reopen things.

00:20:08.000 And then many on the left, I suppose, you know, in your instance, lock everything down hard, but cover the cost to make sure people make it through this.

00:20:14.000 Well, the thing that sucks is it feels like, and this has been, I'm gonna, I so look forward, I want to feel like this argument is never going to come back again, but I know it will under Biden.

00:20:23.000 Republicans always cry about deficit spending, but for some reason when they're deficit spending for their pet projects, it seems like it's okay.

00:20:30.000 I don't understand why we got trillions of dollars of tax cuts from Trump that he celebrated about, you know, growing the economy, which congratulations every time you don't tax.

00:20:37.000 And the deficit.

00:20:38.000 Yeah.

00:20:38.000 And massive deficits.

00:20:39.000 He campaigned.

00:20:41.000 Biggest budget deficits under Trump of all time.

00:20:43.000 Some of the biggest budget year-to-year deficits of all time.

00:20:46.000 And I think that the thing that leaves people frustrated is it's like, I don't understand why you can't help us.

00:20:51.000 Why can't you give us money if you are spending so much on the war machine, which was supposed to go away or on, you know, large businesses, VA tax cuts and everything.

00:20:59.000 Like that's the frustrating part.

00:21:01.000 Trump campaigned against the deficit and the debt.

00:21:04.000 And here we are.

00:21:05.000 And there was an interview with Ted Cruz where he was like, you know, well, Trump didn't campaign against that.

00:21:09.000 And they're like, he did.

00:21:11.000 He did.

00:21:11.000 Explicitly.

00:21:12.000 Yeah.

00:21:12.000 I think that's an indication of, like, you know, political parties will say one thing, but as soon as they get power, you know what I mean?

00:21:19.000 Like, everybody wants free speech when they're in the minority position, and then once they're in the dominant position, they're like, no, no, we gotta clamp things down.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, maybe you want... I mean, yeah.

00:21:26.000 I mean, a man carrying over $400 million of personally guaranteed debt probably isn't gonna be the best person to responsibly manage a country's budget either, but...

00:21:33.000 Yeah, but see, that's a framing thing, you're right there, right?

00:21:36.000 It's a framing.

00:21:37.000 I'm framing that a man that has a massive amount of personal debt that he's personally guaranteed... Well, what are his assets?

00:21:42.000 Probably enough to cover, but probably not enough that he'd want to.

00:21:44.000 It's like $3.2 billion.

00:21:45.000 I think it was either the Wall Street Journal one that went over that, yeah.

00:21:49.000 But anytime you're having to start to sell off things that you own to cover debt, it's probably not a good feeling.

00:21:53.000 You can do it.

00:21:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:54.000 Forbes, I think, put Trump at $3.2 billion with liabilities of like $400 million.

00:21:58.000 Something like that, yeah.

00:21:59.000 So yeah, you know, I don't want to go off on a news thing.

00:22:03.000 Sure, yeah.

00:22:04.000 It's frustrating.

00:22:05.000 To center back, it's frustrating to me and a lot of other people on the left, and I imagine on the right as well, that constantly hear about how we can't just spend all this money on you.

00:22:14.000 It is frustrating.

00:22:15.000 But we could do massive tax cuts and we could spend a lot of money on overseas wars and that just seems very wrong.

00:22:21.000 Yep.

00:22:22.000 Yeah, man, the war.

00:22:23.000 Get me going on the war thing.

00:22:24.000 Absolutely.

00:22:25.000 Spending money doing nation building in foreign countries when we could be fixing the pipes in Flint and helping people in this country.

00:22:30.000 That's the interesting thing.

00:22:31.000 I think, you know, ultimately what it comes down to with the lockdown debate is I think if we work out all of those issues, what's left is will the two month mass printing of money have a serious detrimental effect on the economy, the savings and the retirements of American people?

00:22:48.000 Will it be a bad thing for them?

00:22:49.000 you know, or if we, that's basically it, right? So conservatives would say we can't just print

00:22:54.000 money, we can't just do that, we can't just lock everything down and freeze it,

00:22:57.000 especially at this point considering it's been a year now when businesses have been destroyed,

00:23:01.000 and I guess the leftist position is you can and you have to.

00:23:04.000 Um, yeah, I guess it, monetary policy is very complicated.

00:23:09.000 I know that there's always the inflation boogeyman that is looming behind every politically expedient argument, but it seems like we haven't seen that massive uninflation yet.

00:23:16.000 We've been running historically low federal funds rates for long times now.

00:23:20.000 It just isn't there.

00:23:21.000 I know that there's at least five libertarians right now in chat screaming that we need to go back to the gold standard and we're printing money and it's better dead.

00:23:27.000 Do you see that Trump, I think it was Trump, he tried appointing a woman to the Federal Reserve who wants to put us back on the gold standard?

00:23:32.000 That's very funny.

00:23:33.000 I thought it was hilarious.

00:23:34.000 Yeah, but absolutely delusional.

00:23:36.000 But yeah, no, I mean... We need to get Ron Paul in here, he can have an argument about what's delusional about it.

00:23:43.000 Wait, are you asking me or would Ron Paul ask me that? 0.98

00:23:45.000 No, no, no, like Ron Paul would clearly be like, you're crazy. 0.97

00:23:48.000 Yeah, of course, yeah.

00:23:49.000 Man, I was a huge Ron Paul supporter when I was back in college.

00:23:51.000 Really?

00:23:51.000 18, 19, yeah.

00:23:52.000 What the heck?

00:23:54.000 So let's do this.

00:23:56.000 Look, man, I think we agree that we have to go one way or the other.

00:24:00.000 We're sitting on the fence.

00:24:01.000 We either need to jump into the, we're going to lock down for two months, everybody's getting some kind of handout, or we need to go into like, okay, we're going to severely lax all the lockdown stuff and we're just going to see who dies, but we have to keep people's lives running.

00:24:12.000 Because there is damage.

00:24:14.000 There is collateral damage to a lockdown that people are... Suicide.

00:24:16.000 Most people accept.

00:24:18.000 Even more so in this case, like not having a business, not being able to run anything, mental health issues.

00:24:21.000 Yeah, actually, yeah.

00:24:22.000 There's a really well-known Twitch streamer that killed himself, most likely because of the lockdowns.

00:24:26.000 A friend of mine that traveled a ton, and that was like his way of getting out.

00:24:29.000 I know there are a lot of people like that.

00:24:30.000 Maybe that not necessarily killed themselves, but like severely, like negatively impacted in terms of mental health related to that.

00:24:35.000 So, yeah.

00:24:35.000 Wow, man.

00:24:37.000 I've heard a lot of stories.

00:24:38.000 There was this dude that I know, his son committed suicide.

00:24:41.000 He was tweeting about it and said, having a young kid who's locked up, and even with resources, this guy's a wealthy dude, that's just, it destroys their mind.

00:24:51.000 Not to mention that, like, I can't imagine, so I'm very lucky, I have a nine-year-old son, because of how they, because he lives in a wealthy school district, because I'm wealthy, they have long-distance learning with iPads and stuff.

00:25:03.000 And even for them, even for that technologically very literate school district, I get the emails every day.

00:25:08.000 I don't know if other parents have this issue where it's like, hey guys, if you got logged out of the iPads, this is how you get back in.

00:25:13.000 It just seems to be such a nightmare for everybody.

00:25:15.000 I can't imagine the poorer schools that can't afford that type of technology.

00:25:19.000 I don't know what those people do.

00:25:20.000 You're out of school for like a year.

00:25:21.000 Some people didn't get to have their senior prom.

00:25:22.000 Some people didn't get to do their graduation.

00:25:24.000 I would have cheered for all that when I was younger.

00:25:27.000 I would have as well.

00:25:28.000 Very anti-establishment.

00:25:30.000 Well, I just wanted to say I want to play video games, but most people probably wanted to see their friends and socialize and do stuff.

00:25:34.000 Yep.

00:25:35.000 Well, so that's a good argument why there shouldn't be lockdowns.

00:25:37.000 For the sake of mental health and everyone.

00:25:39.000 Essentially, or a good argument for why we should have had very strict lockdowns for two months and then maybe started to do, like, much more controlled re-openings like they've done in Australia, New Zealand, or South Korea.

00:25:47.000 So then the problem isn't so much a conspiracy as it is two factions fighting and getting a half-assed response instead of one solid response to either.

00:25:54.000 The problem is that literally every single thing in the United States is so unbelievably politicized that you can't do anything without somebody looking at you like you have a political agenda behind it.

00:26:03.000 And part of the reason is because of stuff like talking about the Great Reset.

00:26:07.000 Like, on its face, if you were to say like, If you're ever doing, like, a massive restructuring, do you think you should take that opportunity to optimize, like, part of your workflow?

00:26:15.000 Every reasonable person would be like, yeah, probably, yeah.

00:26:17.000 But, like, when it's phrased in that, like, do you think that people are pushing for extra coronavirus lockdowns just so they can shove AOC into every person's home, forcing you to get on your knees and worship the Green New Deal? 0.61

00:26:26.000 It's like...

00:26:27.000 Well, okay.

00:26:28.000 I feel like the framing of that is a little bit disingenuous, and it further serves that hardcore, hyper-partisan politicization of American politics.

00:26:34.000 The World Economic Forum put out a video that said, in 2030, you will own nothing and you will be happy.

00:26:40.000 When you say the World Economic Forum, do you mean one person who works in one subsection that does YouTube videos like it?

00:26:45.000 They published it.

00:26:46.000 It was published on all social platforms.

00:26:47.000 They wrote a big, long article about it.

00:26:49.000 And then they later clarified, when there was a backlash, that it wasn't intended to say, this is what we want to happen, but what we think may happen.

00:26:56.000 Okay.

00:26:56.000 So the issue is, if you launch a campaign around this, you include within it critical

00:27:04.000 theory, intersectionality and stuff, and then you say you will own nothing and you will

00:27:08.000 be happy, and then people like Trudeau who say we're going to have a reset, people like

00:27:12.000 John Kerry, are advocating for.

00:27:14.000 advocating for locking everything down, which is destroying ownership.

00:27:16.000 Sure.

00:27:17.000 It's like people...

00:27:18.000 I'll put it this way.

00:27:20.000 Not that it's a grand conspiracy where they all got together and said, we want to destroy

00:27:23.000 ownership, but that they think it's a good thing, they like it, they've advocated for

00:27:27.000 it, and now the policies they're bringing about are bringing about what they want.

00:27:30.000 Sure.

00:27:31.000 So you can argue, we can prove intent.

00:27:32.000 Yeah, I understand.

00:27:33.000 The problem is that I can't argue against a story.

00:27:35.000 I can only argue against particular policies.

00:27:37.000 So, like, if we are concocting this grand narrative behind the schemes that we're trying to get rid of ownership of everything and blah, blah, blah, and like this, like, well, I mean, like, we have, like, a bunch of discrete facts, and we could connect them in that way if we want to, but I don't know if that's the most appropriate way to do it.

00:27:49.000 And even on its face, I could even defend that statement on its face that actually a lot of people are in support of that, that you will own nothing and be happy.

00:27:56.000 So as a gamer, something that's been very interesting to me is most people today use things like Steam as a platform.

00:28:02.000 You don't own any of the, I don't know if you're familiar with Steam.

00:28:04.000 Of course, yeah, absolutely.

00:28:05.000 You don't own any of those games.

00:28:06.000 If Valve goes bankrupt, you've lost everything.

00:28:08.000 That's a bad thing!

00:28:09.000 Sure, but the convenience that it provides is, you know, on another level, and that's why people like it.

00:28:13.000 Or, you don't own any of your music, you listen to it on Spotify, you listen to it on iTunes, we don't have the vinyls, we don't have the CDs, we don't have any of that anymore.

00:28:19.000 So like, now I'm not defending the idea that we should own nothing, okay?

00:28:22.000 I'm an ardent capitalist, I like owning things.

00:28:25.000 I have all of my music is backed up on FLAC files on my hard drives, and I keep it all, because I like that.

00:28:30.000 However, I don't think that these ideas are necessarily as crazy as we make them out to be because we give the least charitable reading of it and then run with the biggest conspiracy behind it instead of like, well, what's a more nuanced approach in the middle for like, what do they probably mean?

00:28:42.000 What are the pros and cons and how can we work with this, I guess?

00:28:46.000 I think conspiracy implies that it's a secret of some sort.

00:28:49.000 We'll just call it a plan.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, that's not fair for me to say.

00:28:51.000 Sure, when I say conspiracy, I mean like a plan of people.

00:28:54.000 Sure, yeah, I understand.

00:28:55.000 When I say conspiracy, I don't mean like a crazy, you know, lunatic thing.

00:28:58.000 When I say conspiracy, I mean like a planned thing that multiple people are working on to bring about some kind of change.

00:29:02.000 It's like a conspiracy.

00:29:03.000 But it has a very negative connotation, so I understand that.

00:29:06.000 There's a group of people, they have international interests, they think we should use the COVID lockdown to reset global capitalism.

00:29:14.000 And then there's people who don't trust the policies they're putting out when the World Health Organization themselves.

00:29:17.000 I have the quote.

00:29:18.000 Sure.

00:29:19.000 Let's see if I can... Full lockdowns should be a very, very last resort and can be avoided, World Health Organization's Europe chief says.

00:29:26.000 So this was in October.

00:29:29.000 When you see the story, and it was basically carried over, I'm using CNBC, people are wondering why then they're pushing for all these lockdowns.

00:29:36.000 I don't want to reiterate it.

00:29:36.000 I don't think we've even pushed for full lockdowns anywhere in the U.S., have we?

00:29:39.000 No.

00:29:40.000 And so we haven't even done a full lockdown, anyway.

00:29:42.000 Well, what do you mean by full lockdown?

00:29:43.000 Well, what do they mean by full lockdown?

00:29:46.000 I imagine that the WHO probably doesn't mean... When they say, like, full lockdown, I doubt they mean, like, outdoor seating at all hours of the day at most restaurants.

00:29:53.000 Yeah, you're probably right.

00:29:54.000 Yeah, when they say full lockdown, they're probably saying, like, closed.

00:29:56.000 Because I've been in California for a couple of years now, and I don't think we've full locked down anything.

00:29:59.000 You can go to any restaurants in a couple of years, but over the past few years, like, you can still go out to restaurants if you're just outdoor seating or you're sitting in every other place.

00:30:05.000 California says don't leave your home.

00:30:07.000 Don't walk around.

00:30:08.000 Well, past 10 o'clock. I think just recently they did that.

00:30:11.000 I think Newsom said on Monday, I think they just said like no more gatherings of 10 or

00:30:16.000 more people. Yeah. But this is the, I think this is the first time California's went this far.

00:30:20.000 But even at that, I'm pretty sure restaurants are still open. Like I literally ordered

00:30:23.000 Din Tai Fung like the day before we left.

00:30:25.000 Like we went to the restaurant and picked it up and there were still people eating out there

00:30:28.000 and everything. So it's interesting too. Yeah. Because what's the constitution.

00:30:32.000 There's only so much they can do to enforce this stuff.

00:30:34.000 You look at Europe, and they had this video go viral of a woman who brought her mom to a mental health facility, and they detained her, tased her, she's screaming, and then naturally people are like, this is messed up.

00:30:45.000 I mean, actually, you made it sound like you disagreed with Australia and New Zealand's approach to things, because Australia's been super draconian.

00:30:51.000 I don't necessarily disagree.

00:30:53.000 I just, I wish that we had a more three-dimensional view of what it means to have the right to do something.

00:30:58.000 Because the way that, when I grew up, the way that I was taught is that when you get more rights, being an adult is awesome, but there is more responsibility that comes along with that.

00:31:06.000 You're never given a right to do something that doesn't carry a greater burden of responsibility behind it.

00:31:10.000 Like, that's always the case.

00:31:12.000 And a lot of the times when I talk, it's so weird.

00:31:14.000 When Republicans talk about rights, usually they're talking about restricting rights.

00:31:18.000 I notice that.

00:31:18.000 Anytime a Republican talks about states' rights, what they're actually talking about is taking rights away from you.

00:31:22.000 They want to curb abortion, or they want to restrict access to funding for Planned Parenthood, or they want to make it harder to vote for whatever reason, voter ID, or if you don't agree with that, make it harder, whatever.

00:31:31.000 But it feels like when people talk about states' rights, or make it illegal for gay people to get married, they're talking about taking rights away from people, which is interesting. 0.78

00:31:38.000 Old examples.

00:31:39.000 Well, now they are, because the Supreme Court said, but I mean, there was that famous, who was the woman that Mike Huckabee supported, who was saying, like, I'm not gonna marry these gay people, even if they would've.

00:31:48.000 Oh, the clerk? 0.55

00:31:49.000 Yeah, the clerk, yeah.

00:31:50.000 So these are, thankfully, some of these are older examples, sure.

00:31:54.000 But even regarding things like, what do you call the cities?

00:31:58.000 Sanctuary cities, right?

00:31:59.000 People are like, states shouldn't have the right to do that, we need to take this back.

00:32:02.000 It feels a lot, a lot of the times, like when people talk about states' rights, it feels like they're actually talking about taking rights away from people, which is... It's only a couple of those examples were just security.

00:32:10.000 Well, I mean, what is security but the restriction of a right in exchange for—what's the quote?

00:32:15.000 Like, somebody that demands security in exchange for their freedom will get and deserve neither or something?

00:32:20.000 Will get neither and lose both.

00:32:22.000 Yeah, sure.

00:32:23.000 Well, so, but the argument, it really is, yeah, it comes down to freedom versus security, and at a certain point, you do need security.

00:32:30.000 It's just a question of where the balance is, right?

00:32:32.000 For sure.

00:32:32.000 But it's crazy to me that people will look at illegal immigrants and be like, we need to ship 13 million people out of here because a few people every year get killed by MS-13.

00:32:42.000 We need to get them all out of here.

00:32:43.000 And then we look at 3,000 people a day dying from the coronavirus and it's like, Well, do we really need to wear masks?

00:32:51.000 They're very, very different.

00:32:52.000 They're very different.

00:32:53.000 The issue of illegal immigration has a lot to do with the economy as well.

00:32:56.000 Just way more than just—it has to do with the security of our elections, the security of our physical safety, and it has to do with the jobs market.

00:33:06.000 So elections, physical safety, and jobs market, the coronavirus is hardcore affecting all of those, right?

00:33:11.000 The election and all the mail-in voting.

00:33:13.000 You can't deport the coronavirus.

00:33:15.000 And so the conservatives tend to say, we should protect the vulnerable, we should have social distancing, wear masks, and we can keep the economy running, and schools seem to be safe.

00:33:25.000 And then the left tends to say, lock it all down, provide stimulus and support.

00:33:30.000 So I hear what you're saying early on because we did go

00:33:34.000 through this already.

00:33:35.000 I guess the thing that makes me sad is that I grew up, so half my family is Cuban.

00:33:38.000 My mom and dad were both Air Force.

00:33:40.000 They're ride or die for Trump, like to the end of the earth.

00:33:44.000 And my mom is an incredibly nationalistic, very proud American, loves this country.

00:33:49.000 If the Air Force called her back in today, she would strap up in her little flight suit

00:33:53.000 and go and fly to wherever they wanted to.

00:33:54.000 I know she would.

00:33:55.000 And it hurts when I grew up hearing about all these amazing things that America was capable of, that America had accomplished, and we did.

00:34:01.000 The Silent Generation, World War II, all that.

00:34:02.000 We did a lot of amazing stuff.

00:34:04.000 And then when it comes to controlling a coronavirus, Individually, we can't take responsibility for this.

00:34:09.000 We can't just wear a mask and stay away from people.

00:34:11.000 Apparently that's really controversial.

00:34:13.000 We sucked at getting testing out because Trump didn't take it seriously.

00:34:16.000 He didn't push for it anywhere near as much as he should have.

00:34:17.000 We weren't able to enact any of the other measures that other countries... That was a complicated point though, but we'll come back to it.

00:34:22.000 I don't believe it was complicated.

00:34:24.000 I understand that we can say that, like, well, some tests were put out and they failed.

00:34:26.000 I think that in the United States, regardless of what some people say, I think that this country possesses the greatest technological innovation in the world.

00:34:32.000 If we wanted to get tests out, and if the political will was behind it, we would have had that out way earlier.

00:34:36.000 Because South Korea had the same first-day reported case as us, and they have, like, I think they have, like, 240 deaths from the coronavirus.

00:34:43.000 Why couldn't that have been us?

00:34:44.000 And South Korea's this entire little peninsula, like a metropolitan.

00:34:48.000 But that's why it's easier for them.

00:34:50.000 That's harder.

00:34:50.000 Look at New York.

00:34:52.000 That's one of the reasons why New York City got so crushed.

00:34:53.000 It's so tightly packed together.

00:34:54.000 Everybody's on all the international travel and everything.

00:34:56.000 Look how many different states, with different jurisdictions, with different governors, all protected by the Tenth Amendment.

00:35:00.000 Trump can only do so much.

00:35:02.000 And when you have New York City having their health experts come down and say, everything's fine, go outside.

00:35:07.000 You have people in California, like Nancy Pelosi, doing the same thing.

00:35:11.000 There's an argument of who took things more seriously and who didn't, but ultimately what it comes down to is Trump doesn't have... Vaush argued Trump should use constitutional war powers to just assume control and then force things.

00:35:23.000 So firstly, that would be insane.

00:35:25.000 Imagine if Trump would be using executive powers in times of national security to do insane stuff like tariffing China or sending troops down to build the wall.

00:35:36.000 I mean, he's already done this.

00:35:38.000 These weren't even national emergencies.

00:35:40.000 Now, I'm not in favor of Trump enacting it.

00:35:41.000 That's very different.

00:35:42.000 Well, yeah, because he shouldn't have done it there, but you could make an argument that he might do it here.

00:35:45.000 Maybe he should.

00:35:46.000 If there was ever an argument to exercise these powers, it would probably be in protecting, like, 9-11s where the people are dying every single day in the United States.

00:35:52.000 I don't know if, like, terrifying China is the same level of national security.

00:35:56.000 And that's why it's not a big deal.

00:35:58.000 What do you mean?

00:35:58.000 Well, Trump putting a tariff on China, people say, for the most part, like, okay, we'll see how that plays out.

00:36:02.000 Well, no, a lot of people were very upset because he did this unilaterally, and he exercised executive branch powers to do it under, like, threat of, like, war or whatever, which is a little bit insane.

00:36:10.000 So I'm just saying, I don't agree with Vaush's argument, but, like, if you're going to argue in favor of Trump abusing the executive like he has so far, it seems strange to make the argument that he shouldn't do it here.

00:36:18.000 Has he abused the executive?

00:36:20.000 I think that saying that we need to go, that the border wall to the south is some, like, horrible national emergency, that he needs to send people down to, like, build part of his wall or whatever, or saying that we need to have a national emergency tariff?

00:36:32.000 I think that's very strange.

00:36:33.000 I think that's an abuse of power.

00:36:34.000 And then more importantly, back to what you said before, Trump can only do so much.

00:36:37.000 Trump actually can do so much, because he is so unbelievably popular in the Republican Party.

00:36:42.000 Trump still has, like, a, what, like a 93, 94% approval rating in the Republican Party?

00:36:45.000 If Trump went around— Trump goes up even higher.

00:36:47.000 Yeah, if Trump went around and told the governors, listen up guys, we're going to close down for a couple months because it's your patriotic duty, blah, blah, blah, you better believe that any Republican governor or anybody that's in any-plus-Trump district is going to be in lockstep behind them because they don't want to lose re-elections.

00:37:00.000 In terms of securing the border, that is a power bestowed upon the president.

00:37:04.000 If he's going to say that the United States government, we need to protect our borders, we do.

00:37:08.000 If he's going to do trade negotiations, it's something Border policy and border legislation, though, that's clearly in the realm of, like, congressional authority.

00:37:15.000 This is stuff that should be passed through Congress.

00:37:17.000 This went through a series of checks and balances.

00:37:19.000 Congress fought with Trump.

00:37:20.000 They refused to give him the budget he wanted.

00:37:21.000 The Supreme Court sided with Trump.

00:37:23.000 Exactly.

00:37:23.000 He does have very broad powers.

00:37:25.000 But, like, spiritually speaking, Right?

00:37:28.000 I don't think we would want Biden or Obama to come in and say like, oh, well, I'm going to open all the borders because I think it's good for our national security.

00:37:33.000 Right?

00:37:33.000 I personally, I would say like, this feels like something that should probably go through Congress.

00:37:37.000 You know, I didn't like DACA under Obama, not because I didn't like the policy, but because it's like, okay, well, we can't get anything done through Congress.

00:37:44.000 So now we're going to like kind of broaden our executive powers and write immigration laws.

00:37:48.000 And we see how horrible that is because anything that could be done via executive action can be undone via executive action.

00:37:53.000 They can't.

00:37:54.000 Trump tried to undo it.

00:37:55.000 The Supreme Court said no.

00:37:56.000 Well, I think, um... So, technically it's true, but... Weren't there parts of DACA that I think were rescinded?

00:38:02.000 I don't know if that's still being fought in an ongoing manner, but, um... I know that they basically shut them down on several instances when they tried to, you know... Yeah, I know, it's complicated.

00:38:09.000 These go back and forth.

00:38:10.000 But, um, yeah, like...

00:38:11.000 So let's talk about Biden and Trump then.

00:38:12.000 We'll expand upon this.

00:38:13.000 There are parts of our government that people complain about.

00:38:15.000 So the Supreme court is one of them and the executive is one of them.

00:38:17.000 And they say that the power has expanded so much in these areas.

00:38:20.000 But I think the reason why it appears that way is just because Congress has

00:38:23.000 been so unable to do anything that that's the only place that we can get

00:38:26.000 any meaningful action out of.

00:38:28.000 So let's talk about Biden and Trump then we'll expand upon this.

00:38:31.000 You're, you're, you're super excited for Biden.

00:38:33.000 Uh, yes.

00:38:35.000 Oh yeah.

00:38:35.000 Why?

00:38:36.000 Um, for every, so one, I think that we will finally, hopefully have some cohesive idea of how we're supposed to deal with the coronavirus as a country from somebody that is not insane when it comes to talking about virus related stuff.

00:38:51.000 So no weird stuff about bleacher UV lights, no pushing weird medications like hydroxychloroquine that he didn't take when he was sick.

00:38:57.000 No.

00:38:58.000 He was reported that he took it.

00:38:59.000 No, he said he took it as a prophylactic.

00:39:00.000 Oh, right, before he got sick.

00:39:01.000 But when he actually got sick, he got the good stuff.

00:39:04.000 He didn't get that weird stuff that he was selling all the suckers on TV that worship and support him.

00:39:08.000 Well, but hydroxychloroquine's been used for decades.

00:39:12.000 It is considered— Not for COVID-19.

00:39:14.000 For sure, for sure.

00:39:15.000 So there were preliminary studies.

00:39:17.000 This is the craziest thing about the news cycle and how they deal with Trump.

00:39:19.000 It was actually TechCrunch and several European outlets that reported a promising study showing hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, you know, with zinc in combination was showing that the severity was reducing.

00:39:31.000 They actually replicated this in other studies.

00:39:33.000 Trump comes out and just starts repeating it and then all of a sudden the media flipped on it.

00:39:37.000 So we even saw lefties write about this saying, it is the weirdest thing, the moment Trump says something about a news report, The media changes the narrative and says it's a bad thing.

00:39:46.000 Well, the problem is it's not Trump's job to be saying these things.

00:39:49.000 If a random TechCrunch article wants to come out and say, hey, there was some retrospective analysis done on hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics like azithromycin.

00:39:56.000 No, no, no.

00:39:56.000 It was literally a study on COVID.

00:39:58.000 And they found the severity was dramatically reduced.

00:40:00.000 All of the prospective studies done on hydroxychloroquine have showed that it is nothing.

00:40:05.000 does not help with the serrated disease.

00:40:06.000 There have been some retrospectives that when compared against different standards

00:40:09.000 of care, like maybe, but the reason why it became popular initially

00:40:12.000 was because that scientist in France, the doctor Raoul, came out with his like,

00:40:17.000 N equals 12 study that I think he dropped one person from that died and after like one weekend,

00:40:22.000 he was like, hey, we published the results.

00:40:24.000 And then like that was it.

00:40:25.000 There was a ton of past research that said for coronavirus and for like SARS-CoV-1,

00:40:31.000 H.S. chloroquine was effective in reducing severity.

00:40:33.000 This probably led the scientists to say, let's try it out for SARS-CoV-2.

00:40:38.000 They were promising results early on, but as soon as Trump said it, the media went nuts.

00:40:42.000 That's the crazy thing.

00:40:42.000 Because it's not Trump's, because Trump is a different person and it's not his job.

00:40:46.000 So here's part of the problem when Trump comes out and says it.

00:40:48.000 When Trump comes out and says something that hasn't been thoroughly vetted by the medical community, hasn't been recommended by somebody who would be more in line to recommend that, like say somebody like Fauci, right? When Trump comes out and says it, it changes the

00:40:58.000 worldwide discourse when it comes to these drugs. So there was a really good article

00:41:02.000 published in Nature about some research scientists that complained about how hard it was when they

00:41:05.000 were trying to run trials on other drugs, so dexamethasone and rendezivir or other drugs. Nobody

00:41:11.000 wants to be in the loser trials. Everybody wants to be in the hydroxychloroquine trial.

00:41:15.000 That's what Trump was talking about.

00:41:16.000 Nobody wants to risk being in a dummy trial for some loser drug when Trump is on TV talking about how he's taking hydroxychloroquine every day.

00:41:22.000 It's not his job to do that.

00:41:24.000 He's absolutely irresponsible for him to be on TV talking about that.

00:41:27.000 I disagree.

00:41:27.000 I mean, he's going to talk about what he sees in the news.

00:41:29.000 I'm not going to blame the president.

00:41:31.000 Is he like a Muppet?

00:41:31.000 He sees something and he says something?

00:41:33.000 This is like the most powerful man in the world.

00:41:35.000 I think that we can be a little bit more credible.

00:41:36.000 But everybody does.

00:41:36.000 What do you mean?

00:41:37.000 What?

00:41:37.000 Trump is not everybody.

00:41:39.000 Trump is the president of the United States.

00:41:41.000 And he gave a speech where he said, we're doing a great job.

00:41:44.000 We're seeing some promising studies out of France.

00:41:46.000 There's a hydroxychloroquine they're talking about.

00:41:49.000 Should he not tell people that we're making developments and there's some promising, you know, medications?

00:41:54.000 The problem is that even if I was to grant you that, it stands in stark contrast to the reasons why he gave for never talking about the coronavirus initially.

00:42:02.000 Right?

00:42:03.000 Like, he's saying that, like, oh, well, I kept all this stuff secret because I don't want to start a pandemic, but now he's out here talking about all these potential miracle drugs and everything.

00:42:08.000 Like, I just, I think that he's very irresponsible.

00:42:12.000 Like, I even get nervous talking about, like, certain medications on my stream because I don't want people to run out and take it.

00:42:16.000 And I know I have that power, and I'm not the President of the United States.

00:42:18.000 Right.

00:42:19.000 I always just say, ask your doctor.

00:42:20.000 Exactly.

00:42:21.000 The doctor knows best for you.

00:42:22.000 Which is great.

00:42:22.000 And if Trump said that, you know, like, hey, there are drugs out there that might be trying to talk to your doctor, but that's not what he was saying.

00:42:26.000 He was talking about, oh, we got hydroxychloroquine, this great new miracle drug, and I think it's going to be the next miracle drug.

00:42:31.000 Do you remember what the White House said on school closures?

00:42:34.000 The science is on our side.

00:42:35.000 And Anderson Cooper, I think, said something to the effect of he just doesn't care about your children at all.

00:42:40.000 I think Jennifer Rubin said he wants your kids to die or something like that.

00:42:43.000 This was actually what Kayleigh McEnany brought up in a press briefing, mind you. 0.98

00:42:46.000 So I remember that narrative when Trump and the White House came out and said schools should stay open.

00:42:53.000 Well, now we're finding out that even Fauci is saying, yep, but so much later that we've caused irreparable damage to many people's lives and families, and there's been suicides when Trump was actually right the whole time.

00:43:05.000 Was that irresponsible when they said that that time?

00:43:08.000 People can say the same thing for very different reasons.

00:43:11.000 Like, it's very obvious that Trump is pushing to open schools because he's desperate to get back to some level of normalcy for the election.

00:43:18.000 Because whether you agree or disagree with Trump, this election, to a large extent, was probably a referendum on how he dealt with the coronavirus and getting people back in schools and getting people working.

00:43:27.000 Because a lot of people don't know this.

00:43:29.000 Schools can be two very important things for families.

00:43:31.000 One, it's how your kid can eat sometimes, depending on how poor you are.

00:43:34.000 And two, it lets mom and dad go and work.

00:43:36.000 Daycare.

00:43:36.000 Because daycare is unbelievably expensive.

00:43:39.000 Oh my goodness.

00:43:40.000 So public schools allows the economy to keep moving.

00:43:43.000 Yeah, but the problem is that when you're pushing for things on only a political basis, and it doesn't seem like you're laying out good comprehensive plans for like... So for instance, Fauci and I think it was even on the White House.gov site, have these plans for slowly reopening based on the number of reported cases, daily averages, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:00.000 If that was the type of thing that was being said, then I could have been more empathetic.

00:44:03.000 I was like, okay, cool.

00:44:03.000 It seems like Trump just wants to reopen things in a responsible way.

00:44:05.000 But instead it was like, we gotta open all the schools.

00:44:07.000 We gotta get them back.

00:44:07.000 We gotta get back to normal.

00:44:08.000 It was like, Probably not like the most science-driven answer he's given.

00:44:12.000 I mean, it's an opinion.

00:44:14.000 The people who like Trump are going to say Trump cares about me and he's fighting for my family.

00:44:17.000 The people who don't are going to say he only cares about the economy.

00:44:18.000 Why didn't Trump pressure McConnell to release any stimulus if he cares about our families so much?

00:44:23.000 Maybe he doesn't think stimulus is the right way to help families and he thought that it would be devastating to the economy to just print money and the best way to do it was to release the lockdowns, which is what Trump said.

00:44:30.000 But he thought it wasn't devastating to the economy to just cut taxes for like all the wealthy businesses or to authorize the PPP loans?

00:44:36.000 He thought that was good for the economy.

00:44:38.000 Like, people think that the heroes have their own story, you know what I mean?

00:44:41.000 Sure, I understand.

00:44:41.000 It's strange that he thought that these were such positive measures, but he couldn't pressure McConnell to release any kind of stimulus to the average American person.

00:44:47.000 I think he said that the stimulus will be the vaccine, and we need to reopen because people should be working.

00:44:54.000 So it's just... I don't think there's mustache-twirling villainy, I think.

00:44:58.000 I don't think there's mustache-twirling. 1.00

00:44:59.000 I think he's just selfish and stupid. 1.00

00:45:01.000 But the problem is we are months and months into this, and we got no other stimulus. 1.00

00:45:05.000 He is our leader.

00:45:06.000 Where was it?

00:45:07.000 How do you feel about Fauci saying early on that he was doing the best possible, that no one could do better?

00:45:12.000 Every time somebody contradicts Trump, they get immediately fired.

00:45:16.000 Look at the, I think it was the cybersecurity head of the DHS that came out and said, well, this election was actually pretty secure, and Trump instantly fired him.

00:45:22.000 So it's not surprising to me that Fauci, a man that's been working in government for, what, like 30 or 40 years or something, that he came out and was like, oh yeah, I think Trump is doing a good job.

00:45:28.000 But he's been defying him for months.

00:45:30.000 He has been defying it, but there's a very careful line you have to skirt. 0.99

00:45:33.000 If you've ever worked a corporate job and you've got an idiot manager, you know, like, you don't go out and say, like, why are you doing this? 1.00

00:45:38.000 It's stupid. 1.00

00:45:39.000 It's more like, I think you're doing a great job. 1.00

00:45:41.000 I get fired.

00:45:42.000 Sure.

00:45:42.000 Yeah.

00:45:42.000 Well, if you don't want to get fired, it's more like you're doing an amazing job.

00:45:45.000 I think we could do a little bit better here.

00:45:46.000 Right.

00:45:46.000 So you think Fauci lied to the American people to save his own job?

00:45:50.000 I think that Fauci was saying things in the most diplomatic manner possible because he wanted to serve the American people, and I get immediately fired by Trump, which he would.

00:45:57.000 Saying Trump did the best possible job and no one could do better is a big difference from, we're trying as hard as we can.

00:46:03.000 I don't know if he said no one could do better.

00:46:06.000 I would be curious what the exact quote is, but even so, I don't think that's very relevant to policy going forward, whether or not Fauci says that Trump did a good or bad job.

00:46:13.000 I don't know if it's Fauci's job in government to be second-guessing the president in his past decisions.

00:46:18.000 It's Fauci's job to give us the best leadership going forward.

00:46:21.000 And I know that there have been times where Fauci, and you just said it, right, has been at ends with the president and him, like, promoting certain drugs, or him talking about certain things, whether the coronavirus, where Fauci says, well, I disagree here, or whatever.

00:46:30.000 And even, I'm pretty sure there were a few months where we didn't see Fauci anymore because of his, like, behind the scenes fighting with Trump.

00:46:35.000 But yeah, I don't think that just saying, well, Fauci said Trump was doing a good job.

00:46:38.000 Like, wow, you think?

00:46:39.000 Like, Trump, the guy that fires literally every single person in government that's not immediately agreeing with him?

00:46:42.000 It doesn't surprise me that he was like a little bit careful when he would publicly address Trump.

00:46:45.000 So on that note, the cyber security guy that Trump just fired, would it not have been in his best interest to say

00:46:51.000 this was the most secure election we've ever had?

00:46:53.000 That's literally him saying, I did a good job, don't fire me.

00:46:56.000 Um, but it's that type of thing is it's very hard.

00:47:00.000 So there's two schools of thought in terms of how to change a system.

00:47:04.000 Do you go full renegade and say, this sucks, this is over, fire me, I don't care? 0.95

00:47:08.000 Or do you kind of suck it up, work from the inside, like, okay, well sure, this sucks, but as long as I keep my mouth shut, I can actually enact change on the inside. 0.97

00:47:18.000 When the DHS guy came out and said what he said, I think that he probably felt an obligation to the American people to let them know the government doesn't stand behind Trump and his election fraud claims. 0.89

00:47:26.000 I feel like that doesn't surprise anyone.

00:47:28.000 So I'll read a little bit.

00:47:29.000 He said, Fauci said, We've never had a threat like this, and the coordinated response has been, there are a number of adjectives to describe it.

00:47:36.000 Impressive, I think, is one of them.

00:47:38.000 I mean, we're talking about all hands on deck, is that I, as one of many people on the team, I'm not the only person since the beginning that we've recognized what this was.

00:47:45.000 I have been devoting almost full time on this, almost all, almost full time.

00:47:50.000 I'm down at the White House virtually every day with the task force.

00:47:52.000 I'm connected by phone throughout the day and into the night.

00:47:55.000 And when I say night, I'm talking 12, 1, 2 in the morning, not just 1.

00:47:59.000 So I can't imagine that under any circumstance that anybody could be doing more.

00:48:02.000 I mean, obviously we're fighting a formidable enemy.

00:48:04.000 This virus, this virus is a serious issue here.

00:48:07.000 Take a look at what it's done to China. 0.84

00:48:08.000 And you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:09.000 He goes into, it's a really long, I don't want to read the full.

00:48:12.000 It's a really long paragraph.

00:48:13.000 Sure.

00:48:14.000 It sounds to me like he's like, who's kind of become the face of this virus, he's like championing, like, yeah, we're doing everything we can in the government, which is kind of what I would expect him to do, is to be like a cheerleader for the government. 0.80

00:48:22.000 I don't expect him to come out and like, these guys suck, are a coordinated federal response, but nonexistent, Trump is a horrible leader, like, I don't think that would be his job, and it would probably send a bad message to the American people as well, right?

00:48:31.000 If, you know, the criticism of Trump is that he was downplaying this early on to avoid a panic and that was a bad thing, then isn't there responsibility on Fauci? 0.76

00:48:40.000 The problem with... if you want to say that you're downplaying something to avoid panic, that's fine.

00:48:46.000 But the problem was is that while he was downplaying it, there weren't steps being taken behind the scenes to prepare us for what was coming.

00:48:52.000 It seemed less like downplaying it to avoid a panic and more pretending it didn't exist and hope it didn't come to American shores.

00:48:57.000 Because there's a difference between publicly saying, like, OK, guys, listen, I don't think this is going to be a big deal.

00:49:01.000 And then behind the scenes, you're like, OK, listen, we need to get testing on board.

00:49:04.000 We need to make sure that we have some form of contact tracing.

00:49:06.000 We need to, like, communicate with governors, make sure we have some of that.

00:49:08.000 Like, there would be that.

00:49:09.000 But instead, it was just like, well, look, we locked down travel from China, LOL.

00:49:12.000 And then in a month and a half, we did nothing.

00:49:14.000 Oh, well, look, we locked down travel from Europe, LOL.

00:49:17.000 And like, that's it.

00:49:18.000 Like, I don't think that he was just trying to avoid a panic because there was nothing going on behind the scenes in that gap of the China and European travel ban to show that he was taking it seriously.

00:49:25.000 It seemed he just didn't think it was a real thing.

00:49:27.000 Let's talk about Biden.

00:49:28.000 Sure.

00:49:29.000 What do you like about Biden?

00:49:31.000 Um, so one thing was the top-down, um, hopefully some sort of top-down level, um, response we get for related to the coronavirus.

00:49:38.000 Um, that respects court rulings and everything.

00:49:40.000 I know, I don't know if we've talked about it yet on air, but the Supreme Court did decide that it's a... Briefly mentioned it, yeah.

00:49:44.000 Yeah, religious students, which is probably fine.

00:49:46.000 I can understand that ruling from the Supreme Court.

00:49:47.000 Um, I would hope that churches would individually say like, okay, well maybe we'll, you know, suspend sessions, but I can understand that.

00:49:52.000 Um, but some top-down coordinated response from, um, the government related to coronavirus.

00:49:57.000 Um, number two, And three, or closely intertwined, is going to be the economy, broadly, and healthcare, broadly.

00:50:05.000 I'm very interested to see what sort of economic policies we're going to see from Biden, especially in regards to his strong support of unions, and especially in regards to, I don't personally like the policy, but pushing for a 15-hour minimum wage.

00:50:16.000 I'm very curious to see where that ends up.

00:50:18.000 Bad news.

00:50:19.000 Why do you say that?

00:50:20.000 So he wants to combine that with a high corporate tax, yes?

00:50:24.000 That's bad.

00:50:24.000 And he's also been, as part of the Obama administration, very much in favor of free trade agreements.

00:50:29.000 I love free trade agreements.

00:50:30.000 Well, so you know what the combination of those three things will get you?

00:50:33.000 Corporations facing high wage costs and high taxes will just move their factories and their businesses overseas.

00:50:38.000 Well, that's part of what you have baked into any multilateral trade agreement, though, is the idea that... So, nobody talks about this on the right or the left.

00:50:44.000 One of the nice things about free trade agreements or multilateral trade agreements is that obviously what you just said can happen, okay?

00:50:51.000 If you're gonna make it so that I can export my supply chain to a place like Vietnam, well, I'm just going to make all my stuff over there because I can pay those workers way less. 0.68

00:50:58.000 However, generally as part of negotiating these free trade agreements, you usually demand some labor standards on the side of other countries in order to bring them onto a more level playing field so that you're not exporting all of those jobs.

00:51:12.000 So two really good examples of this is, one, is that the U.S.M.C.A., the United States-Mexico-Canada Free Trade Agreement, so part of this agreement that Trump champions all the time was, I think they demanded an increase in wages for Mexican workers that worked in certain factories to try to dissuade people from exploiting too many jobs over there.

00:51:33.000 And then another good example is part of the negotiations for the Trans-Pacific Partnership,

00:51:37.000 obviously dead now, but part of those were historic labor reforms in Vietnam that would

00:51:41.000 have bolstered a lot of the labor rights in that country.

00:51:44.000 And a lot of those just completely went away as a result of the TPP negotiations falling

00:51:47.000 through.

00:51:48.000 It's good for Vietnam, but it's not good for American workers. 0.84

00:51:50.000 Well, if you force them to pay their workers more, it is good for American workers, because 0.95

00:51:54.000 the increased liberalization of trade means we have another trading partner that we can

00:51:57.000 buy and sell stuff from.

00:51:58.000 But the fact that you have to pay their workers more means we're not just shipping all of

00:52:00.000 those jobs overseas because they still have some minimum level of wages that they have

00:52:04.000 to pay to discourage that.

00:52:06.000 There may be those negotiations on labor rights, but the cost is still remarkably cheaper to have our factories all throughout Southeast Asia than here in the United States.

00:52:13.000 And we've seen that.

00:52:15.000 We've seen the fact that we don't produce our own medicine anymore.

00:52:17.000 Sure.

00:52:17.000 I mean, this is one of those insanely multifaceted things that I agree with you in practice.

00:52:23.000 It becomes a lot easier to spread supply chains throughout the world because it's cheaper in certain areas to manufacture it.

00:52:27.000 That's not always a bad thing, but it's also a thing that we could combat if we would have more honest conversations about, like, what is a multilateral free trade agreement supposed to accomplish?

00:52:35.000 So, for instance, the Paris Climate Accords.

00:52:37.000 So, very common criticism that nobody on the left talks about is that these things seem to give a lot of leeway to developing nations.

00:52:43.000 Like, why would I join any type of pollution, you know, restriction thing that's going to let China and India compete uninhibited with now my shackled economy that can't pollute? 0.55

00:52:51.000 Like, this is insane.

00:52:53.000 But the only way that we can address those types of concerns have to come through multilateral trade agreements.

00:52:59.000 That's it.

00:52:59.000 There's no other way to do it.

00:53:00.000 China is way too big as a country.

00:53:02.000 A few tariffs or a couple sanctions aren't going to do anything to them.

00:53:05.000 They have access to the rest of the world market.

00:53:07.000 You have to get together with a bunch of countries to set these standards.

00:53:10.000 It didn't work.

00:53:11.000 We thought that the trade with China was going to normalize China and make them freer and better, and they went the other direction.

00:53:18.000 Well, so, there, this has been something, I've read about this since the 90s, this has always been like the China conspiracy.

00:53:23.000 People are always saying, I say conspiracy, people are always saying that like, when China, when the middle class booms, when they increase their trade, like they're going to become more liberal, the people are going to demand political freedoms.

00:53:33.000 Doesn't seem to have happened, but I don't think we necessarily need those things to happen.

00:53:36.000 I think we can acknowledge that China exists as this kind of like, you know, authoritarian behemoth that is going to do what it's going to do, but the only way that we can accurately deal with that is to partner with other countries in order to enforce the kinds of restrictions that we want on them.

00:53:49.000 We can't do it on our own.

00:53:50.000 We've seen Trump try to do it with tariffs.

00:53:51.000 It doesn't really work that well.

00:53:53.000 He keeps saying over and over again, we've brought them to the table, but not really.

00:53:56.000 The big things that we were pushing for related to intellectual property rights, we didn't see any progress there whatsoever.

00:54:00.000 China continues its Belt Road Initiative all throughout Europe and Asia and everything.

00:54:05.000 I think there's two outcomes in this China issue.

00:54:10.000 Full-scale warfare or capitulation.

00:54:13.000 Okay, I'm gonna suggest, kindly, a third option.

00:54:17.000 What if, instead of every single time something bad happens in the world, and we all hide from each other and get scared and locked down, what if we continue to reach out, be the world leader that we used to be in the whole NATO world and everything, where we tell other countries, like, hey, let's all work together on this common idea, and then we pressure China that way?

00:54:32.000 Couldn't that be, like, a better way to do things?

00:54:34.000 But hasn't that been exactly what they've been trying to do that's not been working?

00:54:37.000 Well, I mean, there have been a few key events, especially recently, that have kind of pushed people into a lot more kind of a scary area where they're worried about working people.

00:54:45.000 So the 2013 Syrian refugee crisis, for instance, caused a whole wave of governments in Europe to have- Thanks, Obama! 0.99

00:54:52.000 Well, to some extent, yeah.

00:54:54.000 Although Bush got us largely involved in the Middle East originally- But Syria was Obama. 0.77

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:55:00.000 All of it.

00:55:01.000 It's complicated.

00:55:03.000 Well, I'm sorry, you're right.

00:55:04.000 It was the CIA.

00:55:05.000 No, that's too communist.

00:55:10.000 The existence of ISIS that existed in Syria and gained power in Syria, a lot of that came from the destabilization that started in Iraq, and a lot of that came from Bush that got us into Iraq.

00:55:19.000 I'm not saying that Obama is absolved of this.

00:55:21.000 I think that Obama could have done a better job foreign policy-wise, but it's hard.

00:55:24.000 It's very difficult, and nobody has gotten that right.

00:55:26.000 Do you know about the Qatar-Turkey pipeline?

00:55:29.000 I believe I've heard of this, but talk to me more about it.

00:55:32.000 This is the reason why the U.S.

00:55:33.000 got involved in Syria well before... Because the idea was to get Syria locked down so that they could run that pipeline from... Yeah, all through... I've heard this from people, yeah. 0.85

00:55:42.000 But it's true.

00:55:43.000 In 2009, I think it was... Actually, no, maybe it was... Yeah, 2009.

00:55:47.000 The Guardian reported this, that in 2009, U.S.

00:55:49.000 intelligence said, we will have a ground incursion in Syria because they have refused to give us access to build the pipeline.

00:55:56.000 Saying that they would not go against their ally, Russia.

00:56:00.000 What Russia and Syria were then planning on doing was using Iran to tap the same well and run that pipeline into Europe, strengthening the Russian gas monopoly in Europe.

00:56:08.000 So the U.S.

00:56:08.000 had a plan for years before we actually ended up on the ground.

00:56:13.000 And then funneling weapons to rebel groups eventually built, they eventually came together and we got ISIS.

00:56:21.000 That is a story that one could tell, but I don't think that everything that happened in Syria was just a result of the United States wanting to, like, secure an area for that pipeline.

00:56:31.000 That might have been, like, a nice side objective that maybe could have come about.

00:56:34.000 I know that the United States probably wanted to see Assad gone, and if he was gone, it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted somebody loyal to America or American interest in there.

00:56:41.000 And if that did happen... Let me clarify.

00:56:43.000 The Guardian reported that in 2009, the U.S.

00:56:45.000 wanted to be in Syria.

00:56:47.000 They needed an opportunity to do it.

00:56:49.000 When the Arab Spring happened, the United States said, now's our chance. 0.79

00:56:52.000 Provided weapons and resources to the rebels, eventually put U.S.

00:56:55.000 soldiers on the ground.

00:56:57.000 Now we're involved in that.

00:56:58.000 And look, that's why, you know, getting into the Biden discussion about war and conflict, bringing up the Syrian refugee crisis was a product of, yes, Bush, totally, and Obama ramped things up.

00:57:11.000 In regards to the Syrian stuff, yeah, for sure.

00:57:14.000 In regards to... Another reason why I say foreign policy is complicated is like a lot of people are critical about Obama and all of the drone strikes and the killings.

00:57:22.000 Was it an American citizen I think we killed in Yemen? 0.95

00:57:25.000 I think Obama killed four American citizens.

00:57:28.000 Yeah, I know there was one that was like super ultra heated.

00:57:30.000 16-year-old in Yemen.

00:57:32.000 Obama signed off on blowing up a civilian restaurant in a country we aren't at war with.

00:57:36.000 And when they asked him, why did you sign off on killing a 16-year-old, they said, we were trying to target somebody else, a terrorist leader, oops.

00:57:46.000 When people followed up saying, why did you authorize a drone strike on a civilian restaurant in a country you aren't at war with, it's just, womp. 0.99

00:57:55.000 Sure.

00:57:56.000 All those same drone strikes and all those same bombings have only increased under Trump, though.

00:57:59.000 Not in the past few years, but yes, initially.

00:58:01.000 Absolutely in the past few years.

00:58:02.000 No, they've actually been going down quite a bit.

00:58:04.000 They might have gone down from where they started the administration, but in the four years we've had Trump, in his first four years, he has done more drone strikes and more foreign bombing than either Obama or Bush did. 0.98

00:58:11.000 You're correct, and hiring Bolton was the stupidest thing the man could have done. 0.74

00:58:14.000 And we still have troops in Afghanistan, we still have troops in Iraq, we still have troops in Syria. 0.99

00:58:18.000 What do you mean he's trying to?

00:58:19.000 He's been trying to get rid of him for a long time.

00:58:20.000 Why hasn't he?

00:58:21.000 Because, did you know that there was a White House, there was a federal official who lied about the amount of troops we had in Syria to trick Trump into keeping them there?

00:58:28.000 And that when Trump said he was ordering the troops to withdraw from Afghanistan, both Democrats and Republicans got together and blocked him in Congress.

00:58:35.000 Trump fired the Pentagon civilian leadership, and this was reported by the AP, in an effort to get loyalists who would finally pull our troops out of these countries.

00:58:43.000 This is one of those things where I wish I knew more information about it, but I completely do not agree that that is even remotely possible.

00:58:50.000 You're telling me that the President of the United States that was able to get the Supreme Court to say, well, I can tariff China for national security reasons, couldn't control where we were deploying or withdrawing troops from?

00:58:59.000 That sounds unbelievable, especially when he's unilaterally approving strikes on Suleimani and Iraqi airports and stuff.

00:59:04.000 I know, it's messed up stuff for sure.

00:59:06.000 I find it very hard to believe.

00:59:07.000 It wouldn't surprise me if Trump was using this as an excuse, but I mean, even if this was true, like, you've got a guy that says he's a business leader that's supposed to be on top of handling all this stuff who, like, one guy lies to him and now he has no control over his military.

00:59:18.000 He's the commander-in-chief.

00:59:19.000 This is literally the primary job of the president.

00:59:20.000 There are a lot of people in government who are doing everything in their power to obstruct Trump.

00:59:25.000 And most of them are Trump appointees.

00:59:27.000 Yeah, I know! 1.00

00:59:28.000 Trump's hired a bunch of dumb people! 1.00

00:59:31.000 But you have to ask yourself, at one point, is it no longer the Deep State's fault? 1.00

00:59:37.000 When the Deep State is 50% Trump appointees, maybe Trump is just highly incompetent.

00:59:41.000 Look at the rulings that we're getting right now on the election frauds, Trump. 0.99

00:59:43.000 These are Trump federal judiciary appointees that are coming back and saying, like, listen, man, you are insane. 0.98

00:59:49.000 These affidavits are crazy. 0.98

00:59:50.000 There's no joke at this.

00:59:52.000 I can't believe the defense I'm seeing for what's going on in these Trump lawsuits.

00:59:58.000 Trump put out this 46-minute video, and I listened to it, and I'm not gonna mince words.

01:00:03.000 Trump did not present his case.

01:00:05.000 I listened to it.

01:00:06.000 Well, they talk through the same—I think it was a 46-minute on Facebook.

01:00:08.000 I think I watched the same video.

01:00:10.000 Usually, there's talk through the same, like, seven affidavits every single time.

01:00:12.000 There's legitimate—there's way more affidavits.

01:00:16.000 There's way more articulate individuals presenting evidence, and for some reason, the Trump team is not bringing it together.

01:00:21.000 Maybe it's not as legitimate as some alternative media suggests it might be?

01:00:25.000 No, I think the issue is when you hear Trump do a 46-minute video and he can't actually calmly cite Matt Brainerd and he points to a picture and says, look at that, how does that make sense?

01:00:36.000 I'm like, you're not giving me an articulate breakdown of what the issue is.

01:00:41.000 all of these federal cases where these are being brought and the judges are actually no over the trump campaign that's three oh maybe the trump campaign personally you can't you can't tell me that some random people filing a lawsuit is reflective of trump you can't tell me that an affidavit alone is like valid evidence that like something horrible's happened it is witness testimony is evidence okay well in that case there's a 13 year old that has an affidavit out there meaning they've signed it on a penalty perjury that trump raped her that was retracted though Sure, but a lot of these affidavits are also under scrutiny as well.

01:01:08.000 Evidence is not proof.

01:01:09.000 Evidence is not proof.

01:01:12.000 But I'm just saying that just because there's an affidavit doesn't mean that this absolutely happened.

01:01:16.000 So for instance, when Giuliani brought the Miss Johnson?

01:01:20.000 What was the name of the Indian lady that testified for so long in front of Michigan? 0.99

01:01:24.000 I don't remember.

01:01:25.000 It was like Johansson or Johnson or something.

01:01:27.000 But she came and she gave a lot of the exact same testimony that had already been stricken down in court.

01:01:31.000 So for instance, she talked about being in the TFE Voting Center and she was like, the election officials told me not to verify signatures.

01:01:36.000 I don't know why they were doing that.

01:01:36.000 And when the judge went through it, he was like, well, that's because that wasn't your job.

01:01:39.000 They were verifiable.

01:01:39.000 They even got to you.

01:01:40.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:01:41.000 What's the point of an observer?

01:01:44.000 What is the point of an observer?

01:01:46.000 It super depends on every individual area, I would imagine.

01:01:50.000 Broadly speaking, probably to observe, I would imagine.

01:01:52.000 To observe what?

01:01:53.000 The matching of signatures on ballots or whatever, when they're opening and closing.

01:01:57.000 Would you agree with the judge who shot down Trump's, this actual Trump lawsuit, saying that so long as an observer is somewhere in the building, it counts as legal observation?

01:02:06.000 It probably depends on the precedent set by prior cases.

01:02:10.000 Doesn't that sound bad faith?

01:02:11.000 What sounds bad faith to me is that all of this stuff was brought up after it was shown that Trump had lost the election.

01:02:17.000 Where were all of these complaints on election night?

01:02:20.000 Complaints that the observers weren't allowed in?

01:02:23.000 Complaints that the Dominion voting system?

01:02:25.000 They were all over Twitter.

01:02:26.000 They absolutely were not.

01:02:28.000 There were a few random tweets.

01:02:29.000 Let me just cite Will Chamberlain.

01:02:30.000 Who was on the ground, walking, going throughout Philly as a lawyer, taking, posting in photos and videos.

01:02:34.000 People were complaining about being booted, but you gotta understand, a lot of these people aren't on social media, they don't know what to do.

01:02:39.000 It's not about just being on social media, because part of the reason why these federal judges are throwing these cases out, so specifically in regards to that Indian lady, um, because on election night, none of these people were actually complaining.

01:02:47.000 It wasn't until Giuliani went around soliciting affidavits days later, or weeks later, that people are actually- Asking for- Asking for- We're asking, like, yeah- Are you a witness?

01:02:54.000 Do you have evidence?

01:02:55.000 Yes, I do.

01:02:55.000 Please come forward.

01:02:57.000 That sounds like the normal thing you have to do.

01:02:58.000 Doesn't it sound a little bit strange that none of these people were complaining?

01:03:01.000 None of these people were complaining?

01:03:02.000 Oh, okay, that sounds strange to me.

01:03:03.000 Imagine if a judge said, we're not going to use this witness testimony because the witness

01:03:07.000 to the murder only came forward a month later after a cop found him. 0.94

01:03:11.000 That's ridiculous.

01:03:12.000 It was more like all this widespread wrongdoing was apparently being observed. 0.54

01:03:16.000 But they weren't, why didn't they go through any of the proper channels to report any of

01:03:19.000 this?

01:03:20.000 They did.

01:03:21.000 I think you just don't know this.

01:03:22.000 Matt Brainerd specifically said he gave his information to district attorneys.

01:03:25.000 I might not know this, but none of the federal judges that have reviewed these cases apparently know this either, because that is one of the most concerning reasons why these get shot down.

01:03:32.000 It absolutely is.

01:03:33.000 Do you know what the basis of the Pennsylvania lawsuit was?

01:03:37.000 Which one?

01:03:38.000 Trump's got one Pennsylvania lawsuit.

01:03:39.000 What is the basis for that one?

01:03:40.000 That vote observers weren't allowed to actually observe the counting process.

01:03:45.000 OK.

01:03:46.000 The court ruled that so long as an observer was somewhere present in the building, whether they were allowed to actually observe is meaningless because the election code doesn't specify distance.

01:03:55.000 That is one of the most insane things I've ever heard come out of a person's mouth.

01:03:59.000 We know why vote observers exist because we have photos from Bush v. Gore of people staring side by side up at the ballot, arguing over whether or not it was Bush or Gore.

01:04:08.000 Wasn't one of the Pennsylvania cases that they won, the small one, wasn't one of the cases they won was when somebody related to the Pennsylvania election stuff said that we were going to allow people to vote up to a certain length in time, or it was something where what they had said wasn't necessarily bad, but the judge came out and said, listen, even though that's not really bad, it's not in the purview of your job to do that.

01:04:26.000 You're not allowed to do that.

01:04:27.000 And I think that was the one case that they won, and I think that was in Pennsylvania.

01:04:29.000 I don't think that was a Trump campaign specifically.

01:04:31.000 That might not have been their lawsuit, but that was the one lawsuit in Pennsylvania for a small handful of ballots.

01:04:35.000 But like, if the code doesn't specify it, or if it's explicitly not specified, then I mean like, what case do you have?

01:04:40.000 What standing do you have there then?

01:04:41.000 That judges interpret the law, right?

01:04:43.000 So when the law says, as per election code, observers shall be there to observe the vote tabulating process, we know that the spirit of that law, the reason why we have it, is so that you can have scrutineers making sure someone isn't going, Trump!

01:04:58.000 Trump!

01:04:58.000 Trump.

01:04:59.000 No, no, no, that was Biden.

01:05:01.000 But they put people way far back behind plexiglass walls.

01:05:04.000 And the Trump campaign said, why were we not allowed to observe?

01:05:07.000 Why would they challenge any of these laws before election night?

01:05:11.000 Because the law, there's no ruling on it.

01:05:13.000 First of all, do you understand what injury in fact is?

01:05:15.000 That you need some breaking of the law in order for them to bring a suit?

01:05:18.000 So when the Trump campaign did sue beforehand, the Supreme Court reserved their right to issue later on on the basis of- Sued for what?

01:05:25.000 They sued over mail-in voting.

01:05:27.000 This is a totally unrelated thing now.

01:05:30.000 There's a bunch of different lawsuits, there's a bunch of different arguments.

01:05:32.000 Sure, but now we're talking about, I'm talking very specifically about, we can talk about the Dominion voting system, or more specifically, we're talking about the observer stuff, right?

01:05:40.000 If this all was codified in state law, and the law is there, and we've held prior elections, we just had elections two years ago, why didn't nobody challenge it before election night?

01:05:48.000 I'll explain it to you, I'll explain it.

01:05:49.000 You can't sue on the basis of clarifying what the law really means until you have injury in fact.

01:05:54.000 If we pass a law saying you have a right to observe as I count votes, right?

01:05:56.000 laws. There are legislations both in the state and federal level that can change these laws.

01:06:00.000 You don't need the suit to change anything.

01:06:02.000 If we pass a law saying you have a right to observe as I count votes, right?

01:06:06.000 Do you reasonably believe you have a right to look at me and the votes?

01:06:09.000 Why did anyone think a judge was going to say, nope, nope, it didn't specify that you

01:06:14.000 had to actually see the vote so long as you're in the building?

01:06:18.000 Come on, man, that's unreasonable.

01:06:19.000 You're saying, come on, okay?

01:06:21.000 Trump, for months, because they knew that they were gonna get destroyed on the mail-in ballots, Trump, for months, was calling out the mail-in ballots.

01:06:28.000 And guess what?

01:06:29.000 He was doing that far before any lawsuits had to be filed, far before any injury occurred, okay?

01:06:35.000 They were calling these out.

01:06:36.000 Why didn't they call out anything related to voting observers?

01:06:39.000 The reason why is because they know it's all BS.

01:06:42.000 They know that this fraud didn't happen.

01:06:43.000 One million percent.

01:06:45.000 Because if I was somebody that had a massive vested interest in making sure that these elections weren't going to be rigged, I wouldn't be calling this out after Joe Biden wins.

01:06:53.000 It's probably something that you would have brought up beforehand.

01:06:55.000 You can't be serious that you think it is reasonable that so long as an observer is somewhere in the building that counts as observing the vote counting process.

01:07:02.000 You can't be serious that you think that the only reason that they would challenge this is because, like, well now they've lost the election and now this is the first time they've noticed it.

01:07:08.000 These laws have been in place in some ways for decades.

01:07:11.000 And in previous elections, people were allowed to actually look at the ballots.

01:07:14.000 No one knew that this time that these precincts, specifically in Allegheny County in Pennsylvania, were going to bar observers and they'd have to sue over it.

01:07:23.000 They didn't last time, why would they know?

01:07:24.000 Okay, I'm going to ask for a big Tim Pool prediction, not taking into context.

01:07:26.000 Do you think they're going to win any of these lawsuits in a meaningful way?

01:07:30.000 Not like there were four ballots in a mail-in thing or whatever.

01:07:32.000 Do you think that they're actually going to win?

01:07:33.000 Absolutely not.

01:07:34.000 Why not?

01:07:35.000 First of all, when a judge says, Did you have observers in the building?

01:07:39.000 And the Republican says, the amount of observers in the building was a non-zero number, but we were not given meaningful access to the votes.

01:07:47.000 And the judge says, well, according to the election code, it doesn't specify the distance by which you can observe.

01:07:52.000 Therefore, you have no grounds to sue.

01:07:56.000 That is clearly bad faith.

01:07:59.000 If Trump is going to lose, it's going to be for two reasons.

01:08:03.000 Many of these judges, and one judge even said this, if you think I will, he said, you can't expect me to rule in such a way that would disenfranchise millions of voters.

01:08:11.000 That's, that's absurd.

01:08:12.000 I can't do that.

01:08:13.000 That's not all he said.

01:08:15.000 No, no, no.

01:08:15.000 I'm just, I'm bringing up that point specifically.

01:08:17.000 There was a very important second part to that.

01:08:18.000 And he said, I can't do that with no evidence.

01:08:21.000 He said that one would think that if somebody was coming to me to disenfranchise even one vote that they would be coming with a very strong case with lots of evidence, but let alone millions of votes to bring such a shoddy case built on poor legal arguments with no evidence or shoddy evidence?

01:08:34.000 That was the full quote for that.

01:08:35.000 So the point I'm saying is there's an unwillingness to take such a massive and unprecedented move in a court without evidence.

01:08:43.000 There is evidence.

01:08:44.000 There isn't, though.

01:08:45.000 Just because a judge said without evidence doesn't mean there's no evidence.

01:08:48.000 Not just one judge, but people have gone through so many of these affidavits.

01:08:52.000 Are we talking about Trump's lawsuits or random other people?

01:08:55.000 I don't know one million percent the distinction between only Trump's lawsuits and all of the other ones that have been brought up so far.

01:08:59.000 People have been rooting and cheering for Sidney Powell, and look at what happened with Tucker Carlson when he was like, where's the evidence?

01:09:04.000 They ripped him apart, they left Fox News, And now, many Trump supporters are going after Sidney Powell because they're saying she's actually a Democrat trying to undermine the Republican Party.

01:09:13.000 Well, of course.

01:09:13.000 It's the craziest thing.

01:09:14.000 Because anybody that's not lockstep with Daddy Trump is immediately castigated.

01:09:17.000 No, well, for sure, but people are so adamantly behind Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, it's crazy.

01:09:22.000 Like, when I tweeted that it sounds like Sidney Powell's getting her information from conspiracy forums, all people started tweeting me like crazy, and they've been making fun of me like, oh, how dare you?

01:09:32.000 Now what?

01:09:32.000 She's contradicting Trump.

01:09:34.000 Like, that stuff, I keep saying it over and over again, you come out and want to claim that this company was founded in Venezuela, Smartmatic, and then Sequoia, and all this stuff, may be true, that's totally fine, but bro, you need extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims.

01:09:46.000 When we're talking about a judge in Pennsylvania, and the lawsuit wasn't about fraud, it's another thing that the left keeps doing.

01:09:52.000 Trump has specific lawsuits pertaining to the validity of mail-in voting and absentee voting, deadlines, etc.

01:09:58.000 So in these court cases, the judge will ask for a simple clarification.

01:10:01.000 Are you alleging fraud?

01:10:02.000 No, your honor, we're not.

01:10:03.000 They'll take a clip of that and say, aha, this proves it.

01:10:05.000 Trump is saying there's no fraud and the lawsuit isn't claiming it.

01:10:08.000 Yeah, he didn't sue over fraud because that requires long-standing investigation.

01:10:12.000 Well, my understanding was that the confusion then was because some of these judges were trying to figure out what standing they even had then to be there.

01:10:16.000 Because initially it felt like, the thing that I feel when I read the differences between what's being reported in these court cases versus what Giuliani comes out and says, is Giuliani sounds like he's alleging some massive widespread election fraud.

01:10:26.000 He is.

01:10:26.000 Absolutely.

01:10:27.000 But then when it comes to them talking in front of a judge, it's like the meme with the little dog and then the shredded dog, and the shredded dog is Giuliani in front of the cameras alleging fraud, election conspiracy, and then when he gets in front of a judge, he's like, okay, I'm not saying fraud, but I don't think this lady was allowed to be in an area where she was supposed to be, and it's over the smallest minutiae ever, and they don't even have good evidence for what they're doing.

01:10:44.000 I think it's fair to say that the Trump campaign is not delivering in terms of the legal process by which they go after fraud, 100%.

01:10:52.000 I also think it's fair to say that the legal strategy over challenging voting systems and ballots is a legal strategy.

01:10:59.000 I wish that that strategy, if it's something that they so deeply cared about, I wish that they would have done that prior to the actual elections.

01:11:05.000 No, but you don't understand, man.

01:11:07.000 How could they have known that the observers wouldn't have been allowed?

01:11:10.000 Maybe they could have specified it in the code.

01:11:12.000 It seems like Trump has every other conspiracy theory in his head about how he's going to be disenfranchised.

01:11:16.000 You don't think having people observing the vote would have been, like, an important thing?

01:11:19.000 The law existed, though.

01:11:20.000 They had them.

01:11:21.000 They didn't specify the distance.

01:11:24.000 And also, I'm giving you a lot here because I haven't read the exact verbiage, because I'm willing to bet that when I go back home and actually read through the case, it's going to be more than just, like, they had to be anywhere in the building.

01:11:32.000 That's literally what it was.

01:11:33.000 My guess is going to be that it's probably been consistent with state laws over all prior elections, and it hasn't been a big deal before, but now people are just really mad because of the massive increase in voters for Democrats on the mail-in ballots, and that's why everybody's losing their mind over it.

01:11:46.000 Let me ask you, should we have scrutineers?

01:11:48.000 People who look at the ballots as they're being counted from both parties or even a third party?

01:11:52.000 I don't know how these elections normally run, but that sounds like it would be a good idea.

01:11:56.000 Is it okay that this time they didn't do that?

01:11:59.000 I don't know if that's the case.

01:12:00.000 I don't think in the majority of places that is the case where it wasn't like that.

01:12:02.000 No, no, no, no, specifically the Pennsylvania suit.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, specifically in some few instances people say they haven't, yeah.

01:12:07.000 So you have these videos coming out where people are standing a hundred feet away with binoculars and they're like, I literally can't see anything.

01:12:13.000 One of the most important lessons I've learned in my life is to never believe anything I've ever seen in a Twitter video.

01:12:18.000 Sworn affidavits.

01:12:19.000 Multiple sworn affidavits.

01:12:20.000 what time one after that was it I don't know if it was one of the somebody else

01:12:23.000 that I'd heard just recently say something about like like all of these

01:12:26.000 votes are being reported by machine like you don't see people walking or boats

01:12:29.000 here we did literally on election night you saw people like delivering votes and

01:12:31.000 stuff to County houses and stuff they're bringing from other counties like yeah

01:12:34.000 like when it comes to videos I don't trust any of that on the internet

01:12:37.000 without like a greater story context around because anybody can take one

01:12:39.000 video of any sworn affidavits sure sworn so sworn affidavits in combination with

01:12:43.000 the videos one I believe it is interesting of and and I'm saying we

01:12:48.000 can't see we can't actually observe the votes so a big portion of what Julian is

01:12:52.000 bringing forward right now in in Michigan and his other places is that

01:12:56.000 all of these a lot of these people who are coming forward saying they're not

01:12:59.000 allowed to actually observe the vote count So when you have unprecedented rule changes, no excuse mail-in voting, which in the instance of Pennsylvania now, a judge recently issued an opinion citing that it seems very likely the plaintiffs will win on the merits that this is unconstitutional.

01:13:15.000 The Supreme Court shut it down on a narrow ruling that it was too late to sue on this, you know, even though they just found out about it.

01:13:22.000 They just found out about the law?

01:13:23.000 They just found out about the acceptance of late mail-in voting?

01:13:26.000 That it was in violation of the Constitution.

01:13:28.000 Why, they didn't see it initially?

01:13:29.000 You know what it sounds like?

01:13:30.000 It sounds like they lost and now they're going back and trying to find— It certainly does.

01:13:33.000 Okay.

01:13:34.000 Absolutely agree with you.

01:13:34.000 Sure.

01:13:35.000 Which makes it hard to believe in good faith and even arguments.

01:13:37.000 But that's not how the legal system would work.

01:13:40.000 Well, according to some of these judges, that's explicitly how the legal— So, for instance, in some of these rulings— No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:13:45.000 The judge explicitly will say the fact that she didn't follow any of the chain of command or the fact that this person didn't report any of this on election night is very damaging to their credibility.

01:13:52.000 Why would it matter if the lawsuit was now or later when they weren't asking to do anything to this current election?

01:13:58.000 The reason why it matters is because if these things are happening and they're only being reported retroactively, it seems like it's in a response to Biden losing, or to Biden winning rather than to any actual fraud or bad things.

01:14:07.000 But if it wouldn't have an impact on the election, then it's irrelevant.

01:14:10.000 What do you mean?

01:14:11.000 The lawsuit wasn't asking to do anything to the current election.

01:14:13.000 They asked the courts to issue their advice on relief, meaning perhaps in the future we won't do no excuse mail-in voting.

01:14:19.000 The Supreme Court said it's too late to sue for this, dismissed with prejudice, meaning these people can't bring these cases up ever again.

01:14:27.000 What's interesting is that the lower court ruling was that it would have been detrimental to several of the plaintiffs who actually won their elections.

01:14:34.000 Mike Kelly won, and then sued, saying, we didn't realize that the Republicans passed an unconstitutional law.

01:14:41.000 And the judge actually issued an opinion, saying, as this would be— They realized the law was passed, but many people didn't know that it was unconstitutional.

01:14:51.000 Did they read a tweet?

01:14:53.000 After election?

01:14:54.000 They didn't do that when the law was being passed?

01:14:56.000 Isn't that part of like your job as a legislator?

01:14:57.000 I'd be willing to bet there was somebody who was looking at what's going on, what can we do,

01:15:01.000 and the motivation was very much Trump is losing this.

01:15:04.000 However, the lawsuit wasn't brought by Trump.

01:15:07.000 It was brought actually by a guy who won and several other people as well as a guy who lost.

01:15:12.000 So it was a mixed bag.

01:15:13.000 And they weren't asking for the election to be thrown out.

01:15:15.000 They were asking for the courts to advise on what relief could be.

01:15:19.000 Sean Parnell sat here just, you know, a couple, a week ago and he said, I don't want anyone to be disenfranchised.

01:15:24.000 I don't want, uh, I'm not saying this vote has to be thrown out.

01:15:27.000 This election has to be thrown out.

01:15:28.000 We all thought this was constitutional.

01:15:30.000 I'm just asking for maybe the court will advise us.

01:15:32.000 Maybe they'll say, hey, this, we need a constitutional amendment. 0.92

01:15:35.000 So from this point forward, We're gonna say no to this, no excuse mail-in voting moving forward, and then you get a constitutional amendment.

01:15:41.000 You know what's really crazy about it?

01:15:43.000 When the GOP was passing, the Pennsylvania GOP was passing Act 77, which is no excuse mail-in voting, they actually started the process to amend the Constitution, and halfway through stopped, changed some wording, and then it got passed, signed off on by governor.

01:15:56.000 So this is a bipartisan approval.

01:15:58.000 Most people didn't realize what had happened.

01:16:00.000 Wait, that doesn't sound like a bad thing on its face at all.

01:16:02.000 If you were going to pass something, and then you realized it was going to be unconstitutional, so you go to change the constitution, but then you realize, well, hold on, if we reform some of this bill... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:16:09.000 You said reform.

01:16:10.000 I said they change some of the words.

01:16:12.000 Okay, so laws...

01:16:14.000 are the words that make the laws.

01:16:16.000 Let's not play semantic games.

01:16:17.000 It's not a semantic game!

01:16:18.000 Yes it is.

01:16:19.000 Well, when you say change some words, like, I can change some words and make anything anything else.

01:16:23.000 What do you mean by that?

01:16:24.000 So let's not play semantic games.

01:16:25.000 Let's define it.

01:16:26.000 When the Constitution says absentee ballots require specific excuses to be allowed.

01:16:31.000 Okay.

01:16:31.000 And the law they initially presented was no excuse absentee.

01:16:34.000 They changed absentee to male.

01:16:35.000 Okay.

01:16:36.000 That's it.

01:16:37.000 Are there an entirely different set of provisions that come in under mail-in ballots versus absentee?

01:16:40.000 Is there a whole different part of their state legislature that has a different way of dealing with that?

01:16:43.000 It's the same thing.

01:16:44.000 The exact same thing?

01:16:44.000 And that's why the judge in the lower court ruled the plaintiffs will likely be successful on the merits, and then the higher court said, we're not ruling on the merits, we don't know, it's just too late.

01:16:56.000 Okay, well, sounds like they should have brought it up beforehand then.

01:16:58.000 They're going to the Supreme Court.

01:16:59.000 Okay, that'll be interesting when it goes to the Supreme Court.

01:17:01.000 So, one of the issues that I have when people keep saying, affidavits, affidavits, affidavits, is that, on the first hand, is it feels like somebody sliding down a mountain, grabbing branches or whatever, as he's going down.

01:17:09.000 Like, initially we're grabbing all the mail-in ballots or voter fraud.

01:17:12.000 Then we were saying, you know, we've got the Dominion voting machines are made in Venezuela, and then somehow Hugo Chavez is coming back to life today, blah, blah, blah.

01:17:19.000 No, no, no, stop, stop, stop.

01:17:22.000 First of all, the Dominion stuff is nuts, in my opinion.

01:17:24.000 I know!

01:17:25.000 That's crazy!

01:17:26.000 I can't believe these machines existed for so long and no one said anything about them until after the election.

01:17:29.000 That's not true.

01:17:30.000 In 2006, CNN reported on it.

01:17:31.000 What did they report?

01:17:32.000 They reported that they were completely insecure and there was a bunch of problems and all this stuff.

01:17:35.000 And one of the things specifically that they reported is stuff like a lack of paper trail or no ability to auth these machines, which has been some of the stuff that has been corrected and fixed in almost every single state that allows these machines to function.

01:17:45.000 Hold on.

01:17:46.000 You said Hugo Chavez came back to life.

01:17:48.000 Sure.

01:17:48.000 No one's argued that.

01:17:49.000 Okay, I'm just hearing Chavez's name a lot recently.

01:17:52.000 Because Smartmatic, there's a WikiLeaks release from 2010, this has been on the internet for over a decade, Cablegate, where they say, in 2010, Hugo Chavez was providing resources to a group of individuals in Venezuela who are the principal owners, and if you travel through all these different shell companies, you find it originated in Venezuela.

01:18:12.000 That's where that Hugo Chavez comes from.

01:18:14.000 I feel like the argument that Hugo Chávez came back to life is an attempt to ignore what's actually being presented.

01:18:20.000 Well, I'm attempting to make the people sound insane, because they are, to assume that there's some wider play by some other country.

01:18:26.000 But why are you doing that?

01:18:27.000 You don't need to. 0.98

01:18:28.000 Because it's ridiculous. 0.97

01:18:28.000 You don't need to. 0.97

01:18:29.000 I think, well, because for me, because I do a lot of humor, so I think it's funny when people invoke Chávez so much to try to scare people into thinking that some machines are stealing our election.

01:18:36.000 But to say, like, this narrative that confuses the actual argument from people... Wait, what is the actual argument?

01:18:43.000 The actual argument is that going back, you know, a decade plus, going back 20 years, there was a series of companies that were started with the express purpose of being able to hide through audits that votes were manipulated.

01:18:56.000 There is a company, Smartmatic, that was involved in this and has ties to Venezuela as per diplomatic cables that were leaked 10 years ago.

01:19:02.000 So we've known about this for a long time.

01:19:03.000 Why did the DHS and the Department of Justice- I'm not saying it's true!

01:19:07.000 Oh, sure!

01:19:07.000 I'm not saying it's true!

01:19:08.000 But it's ridiculous! 0.97

01:19:09.000 I'm saying the difference- It's crazy! 0.95

01:19:11.000 There's a difference between what these people are actually arguing and coming out and saying Hugo Chávez returned from the grave.

01:19:15.000 So on the level of these Dominion voting machines, if any of this was true, it would be the largest political news story related to elections in the past hundred years.

01:19:24.000 Do you trust the media?

01:19:25.000 To report something like this?

01:19:26.000 This is like Pulitzer Prize winning related reporting.

01:19:29.000 They won Pulitzers for the Russiagate stuff.

01:19:31.000 Sure, well there was a lot of good reporting and a lot of credible indictments that came out of that.

01:19:33.000 Unlike the Benghazi and the email hearings.

01:19:35.000 But regardless, I'm just saying that this level of election fraud would be like an unimaginable, unprecedented level.

01:19:41.000 What were the indictments related to Russia?

01:19:43.000 So one had to do with the Internet Research Agency, which was funded by the Kremlin, which had a whole bunch of foreign influences.

01:19:48.000 Oh, but those were foreigners, not Trump and not the Trump administration.

01:19:51.000 Correct, yeah.

01:19:52.000 Yeah, there were no indictments related specifically to Trump's cabinet, although we did get some indictments kind of like around that.

01:19:57.000 Yeah, so the Manafort stuff came out of that.

01:19:58.000 Flynn got caught lying to the FBI, although Daddy Trump pardoned him.

01:20:02.000 Um, Cohen went down for, uh, the New York-related stuff and the election progress.

01:20:05.000 You know what the crazy thing about the Manafort stuff is?

01:20:07.000 You know how they found out about that?

01:20:08.000 What did they find out about it?

01:20:09.000 You know how they found out about Manafort?

01:20:12.000 I read a lot of weird stuff.

01:20:13.000 They went through some guy's office and they found a ledger that was, like, written on a piece of paper or whatever from Manafort for owing him money and so they didn't report to the State Department and stuff, but go ahead.

01:20:20.000 Politico reported that Ukrainian operatives were trying to sabotage Trump, and so they sent documents to a DNC operative.

01:20:28.000 And then she, you know, passed it along saying, here, we got some dirt.

01:20:31.000 Go after him.

01:20:31.000 And they did.

01:20:33.000 So it was political.

01:20:34.000 It was, you know, political.

01:20:35.000 So all of Manafort's charges were just 100% political stuff?

01:20:37.000 I didn't say all of it.

01:20:38.000 I'm saying they found out about a lot of his documents because it was passed off for political reasons.

01:20:42.000 That shouldn't be surprising to anybody.

01:20:44.000 Sure.

01:20:44.000 I don't know how that absolves... I didn't say it did.

01:20:47.000 I said it's interesting that, you know, we've got Ukraine stepping up, we've got this, you know, political battle, people are trying to go after each other.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, I'm sure people are trying to send people dirt about other leaders literally all the time.

01:20:56.000 We had Assange and WikiLeaks and they're doing all of that for a long time for their left.

01:21:00.000 We also, as a result of all those indictments, found out a lot about how the DNC was penetrated via the speculation stuff by the Guccifer 2.0 hacker and everything.

01:21:08.000 We saw a lot of that in the indictments as well.

01:21:10.000 Some people should not be... Some people don't know how to use computers.

01:21:14.000 And a lot of people with access to really important information, you know.

01:21:18.000 But let's not go back to the voter stuff.

01:21:21.000 The point is, on the Pennsylvania point that I'm bringing up is...

01:21:25.000 We got a serious conundrum in terms of voter observation.

01:21:29.000 It is, I think, widely accepted that we should have observers making sure that people aren't falsifying the vote count.

01:21:36.000 Would you agree?

01:21:38.000 If the Pennsylvania court just ruled that's not the case, should we change it so that is the case?

01:21:42.000 I would have to see on the specific ruling for that argument, because more often than not, when people cite these, usually they're leaving out some key— Sure, sure.

01:21:48.000 So I would have to go and read it specifically.

01:21:49.000 Let's just say— Personally, I think you should probably have people observing the election.

01:21:53.000 I can't think of a reason offhand why you wouldn't.

01:21:55.000 That doesn't make sense to me.

01:21:56.000 But I would have to read into why they made the ruling they did.

01:21:58.000 So, check it out.

01:21:59.000 The issue would be then, if the judge made this ruling on the grounds the election code doesn't specify distance, I mean, then why wouldn't, say, Trump 2024 just be like, We're cleared.

01:22:10.000 We got a ruling from the court.

01:22:11.000 We know what we can do now.

01:22:12.000 And you can't sue us unless you have injury in fact.

01:22:15.000 Therefore, when it comes time to election, all Republicans bar all Democrats and we can't lose. 0.70

01:22:20.000 We can write down whatever numbers we want.

01:22:22.000 If you want to, yeah, go for it.

01:22:23.000 So, it's a serious threat to our election integrity.

01:22:26.000 It could potentially be.

01:22:27.000 And if somebody were to bring it up in that manner, I'd believe them when they said that. 0.82

01:22:30.000 But right now, it just feels like Republicans are doing anything they can to try to flip the election results.

01:22:33.000 I think yes, 100%.

01:22:35.000 And I think the Democrats, they didn't, I don't think they tried to flip the results in 2016 for the most part.

01:22:41.000 There were, there was a whole lot of the Hillary can still win stuff. 0.77

01:22:44.000 Hillary conceded the next day, but absolutely not even remotely similar.

01:22:49.000 Uh, it's remotely similar.

01:22:51.000 I would say it's not the same thing.

01:22:52.000 Maybe like the way that Antarctica is remotely close to, like, Pluto.

01:22:55.000 Do you see the videos of celebrities saying the Electoral College must vote for Hillary Clinton?

01:22:59.000 Do you think there's a difference between— Well, I'm sorry, they didn't say that.

01:23:00.000 They said— Do you think there's a difference between celebrities saying something and the President of the United States trying to undermine the election?

01:23:05.000 That's why I'm saying these aren't remotely similar.

01:23:07.000 Yes, undermine.

01:23:08.000 See, that's framing.

01:23:10.000 Well, it's when you say... So in 2016, Trump said millions of illegals voted.

01:23:15.000 He asserted that with no evidence.

01:23:16.000 That's undermining the integrity of our election.

01:23:17.000 And then in 2020, he's saying that there was widespread election fraud, that literally no agency, no other credible person has backed up save for the melting head of Giuliani.

01:23:26.000 Like, no one else is backing up on this.

01:23:28.000 His own DHS turned on him on this with his own appointee.

01:23:31.000 His own attorney general, the sword and shield bar, came out and said that as of right now there is no evidence of widespread election fraud.

01:23:39.000 Wait, wait, there's more to that quote.

01:23:40.000 What else?

01:23:41.000 That would have changed the outcome of the election.

01:23:42.000 Would have changed the outcome of the election, okay.

01:23:44.000 To date, we have not seen evidence on a scale that would have changed the outcome.

01:23:47.000 What else did he say, too?

01:23:49.000 What else?

01:23:49.000 He also said that they looked into the Dominion machines, and based on their analysis of it, they didn't see any evidence also that those machines were filming votes.

01:23:54.000 I think the Dominion stuff is over the top.

01:23:56.000 Look, you got Brian Kemp and... Brian Kemp?

01:23:59.000 Is the name right?

01:24:00.000 And Rappensperger. 0.77

01:24:01.000 Are they both Brian?

01:24:02.000 Or is it Brad Rappensperger?

01:24:03.000 I'm mixing their names up or something.

01:24:05.000 But these are Republicans.

01:24:06.000 I don't think there's a grand conspiracy where members of, like, the Trump-supporting Republican Georgians are like, aha, now's our chance.

01:24:12.000 But people really believe it.

01:24:13.000 Yeah, they do.

01:24:14.000 I think, for one— Partially, because a lot of people play into it.

01:24:18.000 You do as well, right?

01:24:19.000 How do I play into it?

01:24:20.000 When you're tweeting stuff— I just straight-up agreed and said it was nuts.

01:24:22.000 Sure, I know, but a lot of the—it feels like a lot of your rhetoric gives a lot of credence or credibility to a lot of the lawsuits that challenge, you know, like, how the election is being—like, I—like, the fact that you're willing to say that you think that the elect—do you—do you think that the election—the majority of the election was legit?

01:24:35.000 Absolutely not.

01:24:35.000 were a few but you think for the the results stand.

01:24:37.000 I think what people need to realize too is you don't need widespread fraud to alter the outcome of an election.

01:24:42.000 You know you would.

01:24:43.000 No you don't.

01:24:44.000 You need maybe one person in four key districts.

01:24:47.000 Absolutely not.

01:24:48.000 Or one person with a USB stick.

01:24:50.000 Absolutely not.

01:24:51.000 That's not how these work.

01:24:52.000 It is.

01:24:53.000 It absolutely is now.

01:24:53.000 I actually was in Vegas at DEF CON when they hacked the voting machines.

01:24:57.000 I watch them do it.

01:24:57.000 I don't know what voting machines they hacked, but hacking one machine or hacking a series of machines is a lot different than the step-by-step process that goes through tabulating results, reporting the differences.

01:25:06.000 But they all go in the machine, right?

01:25:08.000 Sure, but there's also paper trails behind all of these votes as well.

01:25:11.000 And they didn't, did they do a hard signature audit?

01:25:15.000 I don't know if they did this.

01:25:16.000 They did a risk assessment.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, their risk assessment audits and everything.

01:25:18.000 But there is a paper trail behind every single thing.

01:25:20.000 But now the problem is saying, well, for some of the ballots that were taken to the mail-in things, they've been separated from the things that they can't verify or whatever.

01:25:26.000 That's a problem!

01:25:28.000 They destroyed—so, with the observers in Pennsylvania, they destroyed the secrecy envelopes.

01:25:32.000 So now it's like, what do we do?

01:25:34.000 They destroyed them before anybody could check to see if they were legit?

01:25:37.000 Why would they do that?

01:25:39.000 But you—so you believe the election is legitimate as it stands, but maybe there are some things we could fix going forward?

01:25:43.000 Because that's a stance I could maybe— I would say, as of right now, I said this, and I got ragged on hard for it on September 7th.

01:25:51.000 I said it, like, on the 8th, I think.

01:25:52.000 No, no, no, it wasn't the 8th.

01:25:54.000 It was the 9th.

01:25:54.000 I took a day off because I was like, everything's crazy.

01:25:57.000 The simple solution is Trump got Ocean's 11th.

01:26:02.000 The cheating, as I would frame it, is the mass changing of rules well before the election, using COVID as a pretext, when Act 77 was even passed in October.

01:26:12.000 The Democrats did everything in their power within the system to give themselves advantages.

01:26:17.000 They were going door to door, they were doing Democracy in the Park, they were doing illegal,

01:26:20.000 Democracy in the Park was illegal. The vote raffles that we just saw emerge, all these videos

01:26:25.000 through all these different swing states, was also illegal.

01:26:28.000 There's no evidence as of right now.

01:26:29.000 I should say there's not enough.

01:26:31.000 Have people been charged over this Democracy in the Park stuff?

01:26:33.000 I would say not yet. I don't know.

01:26:37.000 But I will say there was one person so far charged with 135 counts related to basically getting infirm people to vote and signing off documents for them.

01:26:46.000 There's currently a case going to the, I think the district attorney in Pennsylvania, where they found several thousand ballots all filled out in the same handwriting for Joe Biden in the names of elderly people in various nursing homes.

01:27:00.000 So this stuff happened, it exists.

01:27:03.000 Can I say that this is the reason why Joe Biden won?

01:27:05.000 I can't.

01:27:06.000 So I'm not gonna, I do not agree with Trump when he says, I lost due to a rigged election and widespread fraud.

01:27:11.000 I say, well, there's evidence of fraud to the scale that would have generated a flipping of the election.

01:27:17.000 I would say, no, there was impropriety that would have changed the outcome of the election.

01:27:22.000 But what we're talking about with that, with Trump's lawsuit in Pennsylvania is disqualifying 682,000 votes.

01:27:27.000 Because they weren't observed as they were counted and as Giuliani said Mickey Mouse could have filled them out

01:27:31.000 That is not fraud that is them saying we should disqualify these votes in an attempt to win because they weren't

01:27:37.000 allowed to observe them Sure, I think it's a problem that people weren't allowed to

01:27:39.000 observe them properly I don't know that disenfranchising the state is the

01:27:43.000 appropriate, you know path forward. That's mostly a gribble Sure, I would say for life pro tip for people in the future

01:27:48.000 anybody either playing video games with friends or trying to run a country

01:27:51.000 If you have severe problems with the way that rules are it's usually good to try to change the rules before you lose

01:27:56.000 Otherwise, everybody's going to look at you sideways wondering if you actually care about the rules or if you're just trying to get them changed to change the outcome.

01:28:00.000 But they're not trying to change the rules.

01:28:02.000 Well, in terms of specifying the distance or in terms of having observers in a certain area or whatever, it sounds like they want to refine these rules to some extent.

01:28:09.000 I think that hasn't gone to the Supreme Court yet.

01:28:11.000 However, there's a Trump-supporting lawyer, a friend of mine, his name is Will Chamberlain, he said it's not going there.

01:28:17.000 The Supreme Court, he said it was on appeal.

01:28:21.000 So you saw that court case where the Trump appointee was like, get out of here.

01:28:24.000 They appealed it, and that case was them appealing just to have the right to amend the argument in the first place, and they said, get out of here.

01:28:32.000 Well, if this is the same one that I'm thinking, the reason why they told them to get out of there is because I think that this was a Giuliani, this was a Trump case, right?

01:28:39.000 It was, yeah.

01:28:40.000 They'd amended this case like five or six times, and I think Giuliani showed up.

01:28:44.000 Are you sure?

01:28:44.000 They wanted to amend it for a second time.

01:28:45.000 That was it.

01:28:46.000 And so what?

01:28:47.000 I wish I could remember exactly what this was, but I know that I watched... Might be thinking about different cases.

01:28:50.000 There was one, because there was a legal analysis video of one of these that Giuliani got thrown out of court because they had moved different lawyers on and off of this case so much, and then they pushed back and they tried to amend the case so many times that eventually the lawyer was like, hey, listen, this is a joke.

01:29:01.000 You know why they changed lawyers?

01:29:02.000 Like, get out.

01:29:03.000 I know you're not going to say it because of death threats.

01:29:05.000 Yeah.

01:29:08.000 A bunch of high-profile, verified leftists.

01:29:12.000 The Lincoln Project posted the phone numbers of lawyers.

01:29:15.000 And then within a day, they said, please, judge, let us leave the case.

01:29:19.000 That's the only reason they did it.

01:29:25.000 The judges quit the case after being threatened and harassed.

01:29:27.000 So I've had, unfortunately, a lot of bad experiences with people of higher education.

01:29:31.000 That makes me wonder sometimes.

01:29:32.000 But I would feel like, it feels to me that it would be pretty obvious,

01:29:37.000 and if you're a lawyer you'd probably understand this, that if you are going to be working on a

01:29:40.000 public lawsuit, you're probably going to get a lot of public backlash.

01:29:43.000 They weren't ready for any of that?

01:29:45.000 I'm not saying that's good.

01:29:46.000 I would say no.

01:29:47.000 Posting phone numbers, that's pretty abhorrent.

01:29:49.000 However, it feels more like they probably left because they saw the case was meritless, rather than just like, oh, we got death threats, so we decided to walk away.

01:29:55.000 That's possible too.

01:29:55.000 That sounds highly improbable to me.

01:29:57.000 That's possible too, but that's speculative.

01:30:00.000 More so, I would say.

01:30:01.000 If we get the Lincoln Project, a bunch of news stories were published saying, you know, Republican PAC, you know, anti-Trump Republican PAC, publishes private information, Twitter forced the tweet down, and then within a couple days the lawyers put in an official request to leave the case, our only chain of events is this.

01:30:16.000 So I think it's, the simple solution is, they were threatened and harassed to the point where they said, we don't want to be involved anymore.

01:30:22.000 Sure, I guess it's just surprising to me that a lawyer would say, I can't believe my information went public on one of the most public lawsuits being filed in the world right now.

01:30:28.000 That's very strange to me, but it's possible.

01:30:30.000 There's no other issues.

01:30:30.000 And how come all the other lawyers who are not getting harassed are staying on?

01:30:34.000 Why are the other lawyers not getting harassed at all?

01:30:36.000 I find that hard to believe as well.

01:30:38.000 I'm sure that any public name that's on any of those filings is probably going to get a ton of death threats.

01:30:42.000 The Lincoln Project publishing your phone number is probably very different from just being a law firm on one of the suits.

01:30:47.000 Possibly.

01:30:48.000 Yeah.

01:30:49.000 But... So anyway... Did you watch the Project Veritas guy that they originally had that was going to... that had signed the affidavit saying he was told to backdate stuff or whatever that O'Keefe was talking?

01:30:58.000 Yes, I did.

01:30:58.000 Did you ever listen to the full interrogation of this guy?

01:31:00.000 I did.

01:31:00.000 When he retracted his... Yeah.

01:31:01.000 Yeah.

01:31:02.000 I did.

01:31:02.000 So one of my worries for the affidavits, that and then watching, reading through some of the judge testimonies, a lot of these affidavits are people, they're being truthful, they're signing what they believe to be true, but the problem is their observations are just not bad like they think they are.

01:31:16.000 Did you hear what the guy said after?

01:31:17.000 Well after O'Keefe brought him on and voted him up somewhere, he was like,

01:31:20.000 no, I got mind controlled or whatever by the interrogator.

01:31:22.000 But if you listen to the interrogator, everything that they walked through was like,

01:31:25.000 it was pretty obvious the guy's claim was way farther than he ever could have made.

01:31:29.000 I disagree.

01:31:30.000 The guy literally walked across the aisle to the desk and he's like,

01:31:33.000 hey, if I'm talking, because the guy had said when he was across the aisle,

01:31:36.000 he was like, I very clearly could hear him saying like, we need to postdate or backdate some of the ballots.

01:31:40.000 And the guy's like, hey, can you hear me over there?

01:31:42.000 And the guy like doesn't even respond.

01:31:43.000 And he's like, hey, hello?

01:31:44.000 And the guy's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I can hear you now.

01:31:45.000 And he's like, okay.

01:31:46.000 So you think the guy made it up in the first place?

01:31:48.000 I don't think that he made it up.

01:31:50.000 I'm not, I don't think that he's that malicious.

01:31:52.000 I think he probably heard a word or two and then maybe extrapolated and then his mind probably ran with it after that is what it seemed like based on that like two hour interrogation.

01:32:00.000 A guy hearing something and then being like, I can't believe it happened.

01:32:03.000 And then telling someone is probably more accurate than a federal agent coming in and saying, sit down.

01:32:11.000 And he says, what did he, what did he say?

01:32:13.000 I'm scaring you right now.

01:32:15.000 Like, why did you hear that stuff?

01:32:17.000 Yeah, of course.

01:32:18.000 So what do you think happens when some regular dopey dude is sitting there and a federal agent is drilling him?

01:32:24.000 You didn't hear it, did you?

01:32:26.000 You can't hear it, can you?

01:32:27.000 You're right, don't worry.

01:32:28.000 Everything is for you.

01:32:30.000 We're scaring you right now.

01:32:31.000 It was a creepy recording.

01:32:34.000 It wasn't.

01:32:34.000 It was totally fair.

01:32:35.000 The guy had originally stated that he had heard crystal clear across his whole office.

01:32:41.000 And he signed a sworn affidavit under penalty of perjury.

01:32:43.000 Plenty of people sign affidavits for a lot of different things.

01:32:47.000 Sure, sure.

01:32:48.000 Witness testimony is evidence, but it's not definitive proof.

01:32:50.000 When it came time for him to actually talk to the guy, he walked back almost all of his strong claims.

01:32:55.000 I watched the full thing.

01:32:56.000 I was maybe he didn't hear 100% he was told to backdate things that like and I listened to the entire interview

01:33:00.000 It sounded pretty fair to me if the guy had accurately heard it because initially he did feel a lot more confident

01:33:04.000 when the guy Asked a few questions

01:33:05.000 He started to kind of like falter and the statement and I know Keith likes to clip out like five second

01:33:10.000 You know like power stemming like yeah I'm putting a little bit of pressure on you because that's

01:33:13.000 what you do when you watch the full thing So did we listen all hour and it was it was it was not

01:33:18.000 Like I used to work wait. It was not what it It was not a calm, reasonable discussion trying to affect my mission.

01:33:25.000 It was unbelievably calm.

01:33:27.000 The guy spent half the discussion—like, remember, like, the guy being interrogated was like, oh yeah, I wanted to go to criminal justice, I went to school for it, and I think I was like, Oh yeah, you know, like, that's so cool, like, yeah, you're probably smart, you know, all of this.

01:33:38.000 Like, seeing the police tactics, the investigator was playing good cop one million percent the entire time.

01:33:44.000 It doesn't mean he's not pressuring the guy and playing upon putting memories in his head.

01:33:47.000 He even said, we want to pressure you so that you can make memories.

01:33:52.000 And you remember when he said that, right?

01:33:54.000 He said, we want you to, you know, when we pressure you this way, then you can form memories.

01:34:00.000 I'm pretty sure exactly what he said was that when we pressure you, you're more likely to remember what actually happened, is what he said.

01:34:06.000 That under some pressure, the truth will come out, or whatever it was.

01:34:08.000 Ultimately, I think the argument's kind of pointless on this one guy.

01:34:10.000 Sure, well, it is just this one guy, but I've noticed a pattern for a lot of these affidavits, that what'll happen is, is that somebody will file an affidavit saying like, oh yeah, I saw election fraud, and then when it comes time to like, well, what did you see?

01:34:20.000 And it's like, well, I was in this room, and I think I saw a thing, and like, the actual claim It's actually way less than the super-extrapolated thing that ends up on the affidavit, is what it feels like to me.

01:34:31.000 I don't think the affidavits go particularly far.

01:34:35.000 Witness testimony is evidence.

01:34:37.000 It's used in criminal court cases all the time.

01:34:38.000 I think the best evidence we have so far is the Voter Integrity Project.

01:34:42.000 Are you familiar with Matt Brainard's work?

01:34:44.000 Is he the statistician guy?

01:34:46.000 Yeah, he's a data... Oh, God, I might have... If he was in front of Michigan, where he tried to explain... No, he wasn't allowed to testify in Michigan, I think.

01:34:53.000 Oh, okay, then that was a different data science.

01:34:54.000 I think that was, right?

01:34:55.000 Yeah, he went out there, so we were supposed to have him, and he went out there.

01:34:59.000 He's like, I'm gonna testify there, and then he's like, I was not able to testify.

01:35:02.000 Gotcha, okay, must have been a different guy then.

01:35:04.000 What he did was he... I believe he purchased the publicly available data from several swing states.

01:35:09.000 He then hired three call centers, and he gave them a list of questions to ask.

01:35:14.000 Did you request an absentee ballot?

01:35:16.000 Did you send in an absentee ballot?

01:35:17.000 Things like that.

01:35:18.000 And he found, in a bunch of different circumstances... That was one of the things they did.

01:35:22.000 They also cross-referenced the National Change of Address database with people who voted.

01:35:26.000 They found, I think, I could be getting the number wrong.

01:35:28.000 Was it 20,000 in Georgia?

01:35:30.000 Yeah.

01:35:30.000 I think so.

01:35:32.000 20,000 people in Georgia who had changed their addresses, voted in their new state, and voted by absentee in Georgia.

01:35:38.000 They've actually published parts of the database.

01:35:41.000 You can see the names.

01:35:42.000 He also found, I think, tens of thousands of people who listed commercial addresses with fake apartment numbers in Nevada.

01:35:48.000 I think it's like 11,000 or so.

01:35:50.000 That's legitimate, hard evidence.

01:35:52.000 So was that going to show up in a court case?

01:35:54.000 The FBI took it already.

01:35:55.000 So the FBI proactively reached out to him.

01:35:57.000 How long ago did this happen?

01:36:00.000 Four days?

01:36:00.000 Three days?

01:36:01.000 How long ago was Barr's statement where he said the FBI looked into things and it didn't look like there was...

01:36:05.000 Barr said, to date.

01:36:07.000 Yeah, but what was that to date?

01:36:08.000 How long ago did Barr publish that statement?

01:36:09.000 Wasn't that just a couple days ago?

01:36:10.000 Yes.

01:36:11.000 We haven't seen evidence on a scale that would have altered the outcome of the election.

01:36:15.000 Okay.

01:36:16.000 Something to that effect.

01:36:18.000 The FBI just reached out to Brainerd requesting, this was reported in a few outlets, he mentioned it, we'll see if anything comes of it, but this is one of the reasons why there was a big backlash between people on the right and what Barr had said, and why Barr then clarified the next day we are actively investigating and we'll take

01:36:36.000 any credible report you know or whatever so Matt Brainerd is probably the best evidence but again it's

01:36:44.000 not definitive proof that there was an outcome you know changing that come to the election

01:36:49.000 I'm not saying that you know maybe maybe the FBI did review his data and they said well these 20,000

01:36:54.000 are 50-50 Trump or Biden so it wouldn't have changed anything.

01:36:57.000 Possibly.

01:36:58.000 The problem, too, is that like, and again, I hate that I'm not familiar with this specific thing, but I know in front of Michigan, they would testify that like, oh, well, here's evidence of voter fraud as well.

01:37:05.000 There were 120% of the people, yeah, or not voter turnout, but like of the registered voter or whatever here.

01:37:11.000 Like they would use these right right right now, but the reality of what it happened was well

01:37:15.000 You know some people move the voter registration updated or some people here, but like this is an evidence of voter

01:37:20.000 fraud It's just evidence that there needed to be an update in

01:37:22.000 like the registry one of the biggest problems in Trump's argument and a lot of conservatives bring this up

01:37:28.000 is when they're like You'll see a tweet where they say there's seven thousand

01:37:32.000 eight hundred thirty six dead people on the voter registration in this place

01:37:35.000 Mm-hmm, and it's like yes because they died and And they haven't been purged or removed from the registration.

01:37:39.000 Yeah, are you saying they voted?

01:37:40.000 Because that's a different, you know, so I hear that a lot from the right, and I'm like, that's irrelevant.

01:37:43.000 Exactly.

01:37:44.000 Without proving that they voted, you need to, yeah.

01:37:46.000 You- if you have proof they voted, then all of a sudden we're like, whoa.

01:37:49.000 And there have been some instances, but I think, uh, in one instance- I think there were a couple where, like, somebody sent in a mail-in ballot and then died before the election.

01:37:55.000 I think I read some of these in, like, Louisiana or something.

01:37:57.000 I- I misread something and tweeted, like, whoa, dead people voted, and then I went back and I was like, ah, they voted, and then died.

01:38:04.000 Yeah.

01:38:04.000 But there were some instances that some mainstream outlets found where there were a couple dead people who were found to have voted.

01:38:08.000 Sure.

01:38:09.000 So the issue there is, is there voter fraud?

01:38:12.000 Yes.

01:38:13.000 And the Heritage Foundation has a list of it.

01:38:15.000 Is it widespread to the scale that it changed the outcome of the election?

01:38:17.000 That's not been proven.

01:38:19.000 That's the best way I can put it.

01:38:20.000 Obviously, the left will say, of course not.

01:38:21.000 The right will say, of course, yes.

01:38:23.000 The reality is there's evidence, there's crazy evidence, but it's not been proven.

01:38:27.000 And I don't think it will be, to be completely honest.

01:38:30.000 I don't think, and a lot of conservatives agree with this, that you have an apparatus that could even investigate on this scale 150 million votes to figure out who did or didn't.

01:38:42.000 The Matt Brainard stuff, the Voter Integrity Project, is probably the scariest stuff we have so far.

01:38:46.000 There's a guy named Nashon Garrett.

01:38:48.000 He's a collegiate wrestler training for the Olympics.

01:38:55.000 He lived in Arizona.

01:38:55.000 He moved to Tennessee.

01:38:57.000 He got a phone call from one of the call centers asking if he requested an absentee ballot.

01:39:01.000 He said, no.

01:39:02.000 I voted in Tennessee.

01:39:02.000 I moved here a while ago to train for the Olympics.

01:39:04.000 They said, you didn't request it.

01:39:06.000 You did not submit one.

01:39:07.000 He says, no, I didn't.

01:39:08.000 They said, somebody requested and submitted an absentee ballot in Arizona in your name.

01:39:12.000 And so he then went public, went on Fox News and said, that's not me.

01:39:16.000 I didn't do that.

01:39:17.000 That's crazy.

01:39:18.000 I'd like to see an investigation and some prosecutions, or at the very least investigations.

01:39:25.000 Maybe there's no prosecutions because we don't know where it leads to, but if you've got people changing their addresses and then voting... If this database thing on the National Change of Address Database from Brainerd is correct, and he has 20,000 people in Georgia who changed their address but voted in two different locations, either they voted twice or someone voted in their name, we gotta investigate that.

01:39:44.000 Sure, for sure.

01:39:45.000 Especially if Trump supporters are outraged and demanding clarity.

01:39:48.000 The crazy thing to me is that at a time when this country is dramatically and hyper-polarized,

01:39:53.000 the Democrats confident in their win should be like, please Trump, take the resources

01:39:57.000 you need to investigate and compare signatures and do what you need to do so that we can

01:40:01.000 then tell you we won definitively.

01:40:03.000 Instead, it's- But they're doing that.

01:40:05.000 They're not.

01:40:05.000 They're blocking it.

01:40:07.000 They are.

01:40:07.000 They've been doing all of these investigations, or they've had all these court cases in all these states.

01:40:11.000 What do you mean?

01:40:12.000 No, no, the court cases are not investigations.

01:40:13.000 The DNC has countersued, and the ACLU has countersued, blocking the Trump lawsuits.

01:40:18.000 So they're not cooperating, and they're arguing against it.

01:40:21.000 You said that Barr himself and the FBI was following up.

01:40:24.000 You said that that list was turned into the FBI, and these investigations are working through these things.

01:40:27.000 It's not like the investigations are happening.

01:40:28.000 No, no, for sure.

01:40:28.000 I'm saying the Democrats should come out and be like, yes, absolutely.

01:40:32.000 Please investigate.

01:40:34.000 I mean, I guess it depends on what they believe the merits of the case are.

01:40:36.000 It's so ridiculous that all this is doing is just tearing the country asunder because they're constantly challenging every single little part of the election process.

01:40:42.000 It can only do the opposite. 0.75

01:40:43.000 That's not true, though.

01:40:44.000 You can draw stuff like this for years.

01:40:47.000 No, until they can't find any evidence of anything and then Biden wins the electoral college.

01:40:51.000 How long did we have to listen to Trump talk about how Obama was from Kenya?

01:40:55.000 Like, they could draw this out for so long.

01:40:58.000 But there's a constitutional process.

01:41:00.000 Sure, there might be.

01:41:01.000 But again, legal constitutional processes can be years long.

01:41:04.000 On January 20th, whether or not there's an investigation, there's going to be an inauguration.

01:41:10.000 And the investigation can carry on, and fine, let them draw it out.

01:41:12.000 We went through three and a half years, and we're still technically going through Russiagate, because Adam Schiff won't drop it.

01:41:18.000 And here we are.

01:41:20.000 And we all kind of just roll with it.

01:41:21.000 And the Pulitzer Prizes and all the awards.

01:41:23.000 And then we realized it was all of these people testifying under oath.

01:41:28.000 They had no evidence it didn't happen.

01:41:29.000 Wait, what thing didn't happen?

01:41:31.000 So you had the likes of, what was it, like Brennan and Clapper.

01:41:34.000 You had people, Schiff.

01:41:37.000 They were going on TV saying, yes, it happened.

01:41:39.000 We have proof.

01:41:40.000 Wait, what happened?

01:41:41.000 Collusion with Russia. 0.55

01:41:42.000 I've heard, OK, because I've heard a lot of this.

01:41:43.000 But then in the SCIF, when they were doing the closed door testimony, they said, oh, no, that's not true.

01:41:47.000 I don't have any evidence.

01:41:48.000 And so that actually got released, I think in like October or something.

01:41:51.000 Sure.

01:41:51.000 I'm not trying to rehash all that.

01:41:52.000 I'm just saying, if I can go through all that, I got no problem saying either we let the investigations happen and maybe we find something, maybe we don't.

01:42:01.000 But so long as people feel that in good faith we are taking their complaint seriously, we can prevent destabilization of what is already an extremely hyper-polarized country.

01:42:09.000 Sure, I can understand that.

01:42:10.000 You must understand on the other end though, There's a little bit of frustration with what feels like endless investigations into nothing related to things like Hillary Clinton or Benghazi.

01:42:19.000 These things, how many hours of court hearings, how many months did we get drips about Hillary's emails, buttery emails, over and over and over and over again.

01:42:29.000 I'm gonna disagree because I honestly think that if you want every single American to be rightfully enfranchised, if they have the right to vote, then you, more than anyone else, you and all of the Democrats should 100% want every possible investigation because we want this to be true, free, full, and fair for every legal citizen in the U.S.

01:42:48.000 Sure.

01:42:48.000 And I hope that they do their investigations.

01:42:49.000 I hope they present their cases in front of the courthouses.

01:42:52.000 That's fine.

01:42:52.000 But there should be an investigation.

01:42:54.000 Man, the way that all of this is played out, it really does, even the verbiage they use, it's never, when Giuliani's talking, it's never like, I want to ensure that this is a free and fair election, I want to ensure that every vote is counted.

01:43:03.000 It's like, we think we can find enough votes here to change the outcome of this state.

01:43:06.000 They straight up asked Sidney Powell, one of the, in relief in the Kracken lawsuit was, declare Trump the winner.

01:43:13.000 Yeah like they're literally asking explicitly like this is supposed to be the part they're not supposed to say out loud you're supposed to keep that quiet you're trying to but like so I'm not saying that like I hope the uh investigations are blocked if they have merit but um I mean it would I would understand why some people would feel a bit salty that investigations get dragged out forever but I, uh, I know a lot of people who are salty about the Russiagate elections, you know?

01:43:33.000 And I think that as a, you know, with compromise comes one side rolling their eyes while the other side shakes their fist, and it's better than- I mean, Flynn was communicating with people in an unauthorized manner before he went to the White House?

01:43:45.000 No, he wasn't.

01:43:46.000 He literally lied about it.

01:43:47.000 Lying, I thought you said it was unauthorized.

01:43:49.000 Did he lie about communicating or was it unauthorized?

01:43:51.000 I believe that he lied about it to the FBI, his communication.

01:43:54.000 Do you know the story?

01:43:55.000 I think you're walking into a landmine.

01:43:59.000 Do you think Flynn going to prison or being charged with lying to the FBI, do you think it was illegitimate?

01:44:04.000 Yes.

01:44:05.000 Why?

01:44:05.000 Because he was the acting national security advisor who was communicating with his Russian counterpart.

01:44:10.000 Then why did he lie to the FBI about it?

01:44:11.000 Do you know the meeting wasn't a formal investigation?

01:44:13.000 He was hanging out at the White House and they asked him an informal question in passing and that was the grounds.

01:44:17.000 Did you know that they threatened his son to force a guilty plea?

01:44:19.000 Why did he lie to the FBI?

01:44:23.000 If you right now lied to me, what if you lied to Ian, and you didn't know he was FBI?

01:44:28.000 I'd be so mad.

01:44:30.000 You think that Flynn was talking to somebody, he had no idea he was FBI?

01:44:32.000 I'm not saying that.

01:44:33.000 He didn't know he was under investigation, there was no legitimate investigation, and he was asked a passive question by someone who had nothing to do with him.

01:44:39.000 Didn't the State Department both have a huge interest in Flynn because of his association with Kislyak?

01:44:47.000 I thought that was a big part that both of them had an issue with, that the State Department didn't want him in the White House because they weren't sure if he was compromise all bomb a state department and then the fbi obama's

01:44:56.000 didn't mind if he was not just because the fbi wanted to follow him up for

01:44:59.000 a further investigation so

01:45:01.000 you're talking politics not legitimate claims against michael flynn

01:45:04.000 okay you're talking about michael flynn who came out and this week a conversation

01:45:08.000 with the other day with lucrete caskey

01:45:10.000 michael flynn came out and basically talked about what the obama

01:45:12.000 administration and doing with supplying weapons to rebels

01:45:15.000 Obama got mad, fires him, tells Trump not to hire this guy, so Trump says, I'm gonna hire him.

01:45:20.000 Then, they started having, they had these meetings.

01:45:23.000 This was released in, I think it was the Durham program, I'm not entirely sure.

01:45:26.000 The notes that got released show that there was a meeting between like Sally Yates, James Comey, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, all having this big meeting in which afterwards Sally Yates writes an email to herself explaining what happened.

01:45:37.000 What did she explain what happened in that meeting?

01:45:39.000 She went through grueling detail about how Obama ordered them to make sure everything was on the up-and-up and done by the book, in terms of an investigation of Michael Flynn, to some degree.

01:45:49.000 People try to claim that in that meeting that, I think they assert, either Obama or Biden, I think, asserted that he brought up the Logan Act or whatever.

01:45:57.000 That was not true, though.

01:46:00.000 Even in the notes that Yates left for himself, it was not true that Biden ever brought up the Logan Act in that particular meeting.

01:46:04.000 So there's notes that say, Biden, Logan Act question mark.

01:46:07.000 That's why it was asserted.

01:46:08.000 Sure.

01:46:09.000 I'm not going to take Sally Yates.

01:46:11.000 What's your evidence for that?

01:46:13.000 There is no evidence for that.

01:46:15.000 Nobody came out and said that like, oh yeah, like Biden was, you know, this was brought up, the Logan Act was brought up on his behalf or whatever.

01:46:19.000 I don't think anybody's ever talked about it.

01:46:20.000 Did you know that notes released by the FBI asked, what should we do?

01:46:24.000 What are we trying to do?

01:46:25.000 Get him fired or prosecute?

01:46:27.000 Okay.

01:46:28.000 Why would the FBI be trying to get a guy fired?

01:46:30.000 I think the problem is that, and this is something that gets misconstrued a lot, Trump himself, or maybe it was Barr himself, misconstrued a State Department person's words in terms of, what is our goal is to get him fired or prosecute?

01:46:39.000 Because there was a huge conflict of interest between the FBI and the State Department over what to do with Flynn.

01:46:44.000 And this is where a lot of the fighting between these two agents came from.

01:46:46.000 The State Department did not want Flynn associated with the White House at all.

01:46:49.000 They wanted him out because they didn't know he was compromised on it.

01:46:51.000 The FBI didn't care if he stayed there.

01:46:53.000 I shouldn't say didn't care, but they weren't as concerned with that because they thought that they could follow Flynn further up on an investigation.

01:46:58.000 So there was a huge conflict of interest there where we don't know.

01:47:00.000 Do we want him removed now?

01:47:01.000 Do we want to continue to investigate him?

01:47:02.000 That's a fair question to ask.

01:47:03.000 There were two competing agencies that had different goals.

01:47:05.000 Did you know they threatened his son?

01:47:07.000 When you say threatened his son, I don't know what... If you don't plead guilty, we are going to prosecute your son.

01:47:13.000 Did his son commit a crime?

01:47:14.000 I don't know exactly what the full details were.

01:47:15.000 Well, that seems really important there because if his son committed a crime, it seems like that would be a pretty important part of...

01:47:20.000 Threatening... Look, you're getting somebody on a process crime because in an informal meeting where he was not being investigated, he said he didn't talk to Kislyak.

01:47:29.000 Don't you think that's crazy that you could be standing by a FBI agent and he could be like, you ever talk to a Russian ambassador and you go, no, you lied, haha, I got you.

01:47:36.000 That an incoming national security advisor would lie to a member working for the Federal Bureau of Investigation about contact with a foreign agent?

01:47:42.000 Yeah, that seems crazy to me.

01:47:43.000 Not in a formal meeting under investigation.

01:47:45.000 Okay.

01:47:46.000 He has no obligation to tell anybody anything.

01:47:48.000 In fact, as National Security Advisor, why would he be giving away his advice and secrets to some FBI agent he doesn't know?

01:47:56.000 Or, I'm sorry, he doesn't know, like, in the sense that... Then why is he talking to him at all about it, then?

01:48:01.000 So you're at a party.

01:48:02.000 You're at an informal meeting at the White House.

01:48:03.000 People are asking me, the incoming National Security Advisor, about my communication with foreign... I probably would say, hey, listen, you know what?

01:48:08.000 I don't think I'm going to talk to you about that.

01:48:09.000 It seems really inappropriate.

01:48:10.000 Or maybe you're just like, no, no, no, no.

01:48:12.000 Because I don't want this guy to know anything about... I don't know who he is.

01:48:14.000 I don't know what his deal is.

01:48:15.000 We're not an informal investigation.

01:48:16.000 He wasn't with a lawyer or anything like that.

01:48:18.000 And they asked him a question, and that was the basis for prosecuting him for lying to the FBI.

01:48:22.000 Why did the judge throw the book at him then?

01:48:23.000 What happened?

01:48:24.000 Isn't that strange that when the DOJ said, we want to drop this, Judge Sullivan did nothing for a month?

01:48:29.000 My understanding is that the DOJ said that they wanted to drop it under Barr, and that Barr's reasoning for dropping that is because he said that the State Department themselves were arguing over the FBI about how to deal with Flynn.

01:48:41.000 and the state department had a person and i believe it was her own words i

01:48:45.000 don't remember her name but she came out and she said actually

01:48:47.000 bar used my statement because i think the statement had to do with how the

01:48:50.000 state part was frustrated with how the fbi was pursuing things but their

01:48:53.000 frustration wasn't that flynn was innocent we don't know why

01:48:55.000 the fbi is bullying him their frustration was that we don't want you

01:48:57.000 to investigate flint we want him removed immediately but the so they were

01:49:00.000 I'm just saying that there's a reason why there was conflict there and it wasn't just because Flynn was some innocent passerby and the State Department was trying to exonerate him.

01:49:06.000 because it was compromised but the FBI was the president.

01:49:09.000 Trump was the president-elect, he became president. It's his right as the duly elected

01:49:14.000 president to appoint as an acting national security advisor whose job is to communicate with

01:49:19.000 his counterpart in other countries. And I understand that. I'm just saying that

01:49:21.000 there's a reason why there was conflict there and it wasn't just because Flynn was some

01:49:25.000 innocent passerby and the State Department was trying to exonerate him. So when Barr comes

01:49:28.000 out and he cites that particular statement, it's like, oh well, yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure.

01:49:30.000 But that's irrelevant to the question at hand.

01:49:32.000 In an informal meeting where Flynn was not with his lawyer or under, you know, formal

01:49:38.000 investigation, they asked him if he talked to Kislyak and he passively said no and that

01:49:42.000 was it.

01:49:43.000 What do you think about the reports now that Trump is looking at potentially preemptively

01:49:47.000 pardoning himself or any of his family members?

01:49:48.000 Do you believe in any of this?

01:49:50.000 I don't know.

01:49:51.000 I don't know.

01:49:51.000 I think it's certainly within the realm of possibility for something Trump to do.

01:49:55.000 But I don't trust a lot of these reports that come from unnamed sources.

01:49:59.000 Ever since we've had that story from Huffington Post, people close to the president say he has no one close to him.

01:50:03.000 I'm just like, these people are just...

01:50:06.000 You know, if Trump comes out and says it, I'll believe it.

01:50:09.000 Trump recently came out at a party and said, we're trying really hard to stand for four years, but if we don't, we'll see you in 2024.

01:50:14.000 Good enough for me.

01:50:15.000 When they come out and say unnamed individual claims, I'm like, sorry, I'm just, I got very little room for these companies just to make these claims unless I know who the person is.

01:50:26.000 You know, especially after the fact, like, we've seen many, many people just, they hate the president to the point where they'll say whatever you have to say.

01:50:33.000 And there are certainly people who love the president to the point where they'll say whatever you have to say.

01:50:37.000 I want hard evidence when it comes to fraud.

01:50:39.000 I want hard evidence when it comes to the accusations against Trump.

01:50:42.000 When I look at the Michael Flynn scenario, it looks like Barack Obama didn't like Flynn because Flynn was not good to Barack Obama.

01:50:48.000 So they said, we don't want you.

01:50:50.000 Do you know what the reasoning for why the State Department thought he was compromised was?

01:50:53.000 Why?

01:50:54.000 In a meeting, he was talking to someone, and I think it was Yates perhaps.

01:50:58.000 He was asked, you know, who do you think?

01:51:02.000 I'm sorry, in a passive conversation.

01:51:04.000 It comes up that he says, I don't think that Russia is our biggest adversary.

01:51:07.000 I think it's actually China.

01:51:08.000 And that was like, oh, no, he thinks he's trying to defend Russia or something.

01:51:13.000 It's like, well, I agree.

01:51:14.000 I think China is a way bigger threat than Russia is. 0.94

01:51:17.000 And then all of a sudden he finds himself being prosecuted for lying to the FBI.

01:51:21.000 For what?

01:51:22.000 Now, I'll tell you what.

01:51:24.000 He got thrown under the bus by Trump and, you know, Trump's team saying he shouldn't.

01:51:27.000 And Pence.

01:51:27.000 He shouldn't have lied to us.

01:51:28.000 Oh, it's his fault.

01:51:29.000 And then later they came back and tried to defend him.

01:51:32.000 Trump's not a perfect guy.

01:51:33.000 Far from it.

01:51:34.000 And he made a ton of mistakes.

01:51:35.000 He threw his own guy under the bus and he should have defended him. 0.51

01:51:37.000 He seems to have a habit of doing that.

01:51:40.000 He certainly does. 1.00

01:51:40.000 He has a habit of hiring dumb people, too. 1.00

01:51:42.000 Then calling them amazing and then throwing them under the bus. 1.00

01:51:44.000 Oh, I love it.

01:51:44.000 He's done this with so many different people.

01:51:46.000 Sessions with Cohen.

01:51:49.000 That is the Trump administration.

01:51:52.000 No, he should have fired a lot more people.

01:51:54.000 He didn't fire people.

01:51:55.000 That was the problem.

01:51:56.000 So, look, I think, you know, whether you like Flynn or whatever, when it comes to the DOJ saying, we're going to drop it, and a judge started prosecuting?

01:52:07.000 That's scary, man.

01:52:08.000 Look, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm, I'm, uh, rather, uh, anti-authority.

01:52:13.000 I've never been a fan of the FBI, going back to the days of Occupy Wall Street, where they raided them all the, all the time.

01:52:18.000 And it became increasingly weird to me how many of the people I knew at Occupy became defenders of the intelligence agencies.

01:52:23.000 Sure.

01:52:25.000 More, more broadly speaking, why do you think that in a federal government where Trump has exerted quite a bit of control, where he's got a lot of his own appointees, like, why does he still run into so many problems with so many of these agencies?

01:52:36.000 He does not know how to work the system.

01:52:38.000 He does not know how government works.

01:52:39.000 And he can't make it work.

01:52:39.000 don't seem to be taking his side on anything.

01:52:41.000 He does not know how to work the system.

01:52:43.000 He does not know how government works and he can't make it work.

01:52:46.000 I think, you know, with people like Trump who are business people, when you run a business,

01:52:52.000 for the most part, you're an authoritarian.

01:52:53.000 Your business, your rules, you're the boss.

01:52:55.000 You can fire and hire within certain confines and certain laws.

01:52:57.000 Why is it that... So, when you say that, I feel that 100%.

01:53:01.000 But another important thing about being a business owner, whether you are a supervisor, a manager, a district manager, whatever, or the owner, you never, ever, ever, ever, ever can pass the buck.

01:53:11.000 You can't do it.

01:53:12.000 If you're supervising a shift and your manager comes to you and your manager is like, what happened on this shift?

01:53:16.000 You would never as a supervisor say, it was that employee.

01:53:18.000 It was that employee.

01:53:19.000 Because it would be your responsibility.

01:53:21.000 But Trump's the boss.

01:53:21.000 Every single time.

01:53:22.000 Yeah.

01:53:23.000 Why is it?

01:53:24.000 Yeah.

01:53:24.000 All the time.

01:53:25.000 Trump will not accept responsibility for anything.

01:53:27.000 It's either the deep state is after him, the Democrats are after him, the FBI is after him, the DOJ is after him.

01:53:32.000 Even when he's going running through his own appointees in a lot of these institutions over and over and over again.

01:53:36.000 I agree.

01:53:38.000 Trump's got a habit of when... There's certainly circumstances where he has people to blame.

01:53:43.000 And there's certainly circumstances where he should just be a good leader saying, the buck stops with me.

01:53:48.000 I should have done better.

01:53:50.000 And if this person failed is irrelevant because I'm the one who needs to steer this ship.

01:53:55.000 For somebody that has been so ineffectual as a leader.

01:53:58.000 So then I guess moving... I disagree on that.

01:54:00.000 What do you think are some of his chief accomplishments, I guess, under this administration?

01:54:05.000 I mean, the economy was smashing in 2019.

01:54:08.000 Jim Cramer, the best numbers of our lives.

01:54:11.000 Three years!

01:54:12.000 Which it was from 2013 onwards.

01:54:14.000 Oh, it was dramatically different.

01:54:15.000 I mean, Barack Obama said, you'll need a magic wand to reach 4% growth.

01:54:18.000 And then when Trump did it, he started laughing at him.

01:54:20.000 I don't know what Barack Obama said.

01:54:21.000 All I know is that everybody can look at the economy.

01:54:23.000 From 2013 on, we were smashing all-time highs consistently.

01:54:26.000 Under Donald Trump, growth was better.

01:54:29.000 Unemployment was way lower.

01:54:30.000 It was good.

01:54:30.000 Unemployment continued to fall, mainly as a result of Federal Reserve monetary policy.

01:54:34.000 For sure.

01:54:35.000 And deficit spending is a lot of bad things, too.

01:54:37.000 But Jim Cramer, the best numbers of our lives.

01:54:39.000 I don't take anything Cramer says about the economy seriously.

01:54:42.000 He's an entertainer on TV.

01:54:42.000 I don't know what Cramer has to do with it.

01:54:44.000 From Trump economic policy, it doesn't really seem like he's done much in terms of being an effective leader, in terms of passing awesome legislation.

01:54:49.000 Well, he's the president.

01:54:51.000 He doesn't do that.

01:54:52.000 Or championing awesome legislation.

01:54:53.000 He promised a lot.

01:54:54.000 Dude, the first two years under Trump, Republicans were a complete and total failure. 1.00

01:54:59.000 I think the Republican Party is mostly garbage. 0.99

01:55:01.000 Sure, but again, one of the chief things that we elected Trump for was him talking about how he can bring people together and get them to work on things. 1.00

01:55:07.000 Seems like he's been more divisive than ever.

01:55:09.000 First couple of years for Trump, completely awful.

01:55:12.000 Trump divisive, he's been quite a bit.

01:55:14.000 The last few years, mostly in the past year, there's been a couple things.

01:55:18.000 Because I said in January, I will never vote for this man.

01:55:21.000 Then the riots happened, and when the riots got close to my family and I saw what the Democrats were doing, it really made Trump look good by comparison in a lot of ways.

01:55:30.000 So you're a single-issue voter because riots happened?

01:55:35.000 Actually, I've literally said that, for sure.

01:55:37.000 So I've got family who are incapable of defending themselves, and when the riots broke out in Chicago and the leadership—it was insane.

01:55:47.000 I mean, one alderman was talking to the mayor, Lori Lightfoot, Do you think it's possible that under different federal leadership, maybe the riots would have looked a little different?

01:55:53.000 at her and screaming. And I get calls from my friends and family saying, you know, 60

01:55:59.000 miles west of Chicago the rioters were showing up and nothing was being done about it.

01:56:02.000 Do you think it's possible that under different federal leadership maybe the riots would have

01:56:07.000 looked a little different? Or do you think they would have played out the exact same

01:56:09.000 way? Instead of a president that was constantly deriding the movement and constantly...

01:56:14.000 You don't think that matters at all?

01:56:15.000 I know it doesn't matter because I was at the start of Black Lives Matter when these things erupted.

01:56:20.000 It was under Barack Obama that I got to witness the National Guard pouring into Ferguson.

01:56:24.000 Sure, but the BLM protests and any riots that occurred under Obama were a pittance compared to what happened under Trump.

01:56:29.000 These were the largest scale riots in the history of the world, maybe.

01:56:33.000 So you're saying Trump is responsible for the riots but not the economy, even though the riots and the economy both started under Obama?

01:56:40.000 That's because Trump can't say good words and make the economy do a certain thing.

01:56:43.000 Why couldn't Obama solve it?

01:56:44.000 Why didn't Obama solve it during his term?

01:56:45.000 It was 2011 when this started.

01:56:47.000 By 2016 he did nothing to stop this problem.

01:56:50.000 Obama couldn't do much of anything.

01:56:51.000 Obama couldn't even get his own Supreme Court pick through.

01:56:54.000 Trump can't do much of anything because he's getting blocked left and right.

01:56:57.000 Trump has loaded the federal judiciary.

01:56:59.000 He sure did.

01:56:59.000 McConnell did.

01:57:00.000 Trump controlled both halves of government and was on the executive branch and now is the Supreme Court.

01:57:05.000 How can you give a man so much and yet he claims to have so little at the end of the day?

01:57:09.000 What more did he need?

01:57:10.000 Trump's not a Republican.

01:57:12.000 The Republican Party in 2016 when they controlled the upper and lower chambers, they're establishment politics.

01:57:18.000 But they were both unified on some issues.

01:57:20.000 For instance, repeal and replace healthcare.

01:57:22.000 What happened with that? 1.00

01:57:23.000 Yeah, the Republican Party is trash. 0.99

01:57:26.000 And Trump doesn't know how to work this, and he didn't have the support he needed. 0.99

01:57:29.000 So listen, listen.

01:57:30.000 The point is, I'm not going to blindly defend Obama or Trump.

01:57:34.000 I think the responsibility with the riots fell under Trump.

01:57:37.000 And guess what?

01:57:38.000 Trump had the DHS deputize state and local police in Portland and started arresting the rioters and giving them federal charges to the point where they started running.

01:57:47.000 They started posting blogs saying, Like, get out of your houses because the FBI is coming to give you charge comparable to the charges that were just dropped at the state level.

01:57:54.000 When Obama was in charge and the riots were happening, he said, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

01:57:59.000 And then for the next four years, because I covered this, I was in Ferguson for a year and a half, back and forth, flying in and out, as the riots progressively got worse.

01:58:06.000 And it was then when Darren Wilson got acquitted, I watched the whole street of West Florissant go up in flames.

01:58:12.000 With Trump, we had COVID lockdown, which was implemented for the most part by Democrat governors, and Trump opposed it for the most part.

01:58:19.000 Republican governors opposed it.

01:58:21.000 When the riots broke out, Trump said, I'm going to shut it all down.

01:58:24.000 And yet the riots under Trump were like 50 times worse than the riots under Obama.

01:58:28.000 Yes, because a combination of the lockdowns and the pent-up rage going all the way back into the Obama administration.

01:58:34.000 You don't think any of that rage might have come from the way that Trump talks about any of these issues?

01:58:37.000 Definitely.

01:58:38.000 Sure, sure.

01:58:39.000 But what I'm talking about is, when the riots happened, there's a combination of things.

01:58:44.000 It's not just the riots.

01:58:44.000 It was, you know, in the last several months, Trump, like, trying to pull troops out of Afghanistan.

01:58:49.000 Clapping I'm like do it do it bring it on and then the serious stuff to finding about finding about how they lied

01:58:55.000 I got the defense one article outgoing Syria envoy admits hiding u.s.

01:58:58.000 Troop numbers to trick the American people into keeping soldiers in the Middle East 0.75

01:59:01.000 I was like I didn't need to trick them Trump wanted to do it the entire time as well

01:59:05.000 He's talked about running Syrian oil fields like you know Trump initially tried to pull all our troops out and then

01:59:10.000 there was a revolt between the Democrats and Republicans saying you can't do this

01:59:13.000 So then Trump, in hilarious fashion, whether it's good or bad, said, all right, we're going to keep a couple hundred soldiers in here to guard the oil fields.

01:59:20.000 And then all the anti-war progressives just like started laughing and facepalming, like this dude just blurts out what the American empire is doing when he brags about selling weapons to Saudi Arabia for their war with Yemen.

01:59:32.000 It's like this dude is admitting the war machine exists, and it was Sure, but there's also the same guy that talks about killing terrorists and their families and everything too.

01:59:39.000 Like Obama did.

01:59:41.000 Obama literally did.

01:59:42.000 I don't think at the same level that Trump has been doing.

01:59:45.000 Again, the first four years of Trump's administration have seen more bombings than any other country.

01:59:49.000 We still have wars going on in every single country that we did when Obama left office.

01:59:53.000 You know Trump is one of the, I think the first president in what, like four decades who didn't start a new war?

01:59:57.000 Well, that's because there's not many countries left to go to war with at this point.

01:59:59.000 I mean, there literally are.

02:00:01.000 Of course, you know.

02:00:03.000 But he didn't do it.

02:00:04.000 And he's actually been pulling back.

02:00:04.000 I mean, that's great, but he's not pulling back.

02:00:06.000 He's continued the wars.

02:00:07.000 We still have troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and... With him trying to remove them.

02:00:11.000 Libya.

02:00:11.000 Like, I literally have the Defense One article.

02:00:12.000 They lied to him to keep the troops in Syria.

02:00:15.000 That, like, I've never been more angry in my life when I heard this.

02:00:18.000 I will have to read this article.

02:00:19.000 I'm very curious on how the commander-in-chief just... Unless he... It's possible because he's too stupid to read the intelligence reports.

02:00:25.000 Or they gave him... They lied to him. 1.00

02:00:27.000 They gave him bunk information.

02:00:29.000 I don't know how else to put it.

02:00:30.000 Do you think it's because maybe they couldn't fit it in in like the Crayola crayon pictures?

02:00:34.000 No, he straight up said, quote, We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there.

02:00:41.000 Jeffrey said in an interview, the actual number of troops in northeast Syria is a lot more than the roughly 200 troops Trump initially agreed to leave in 2019.

02:00:48.000 They lied to the American people to keep us involved in these quagmires in the Middle East when Trump was trying to end it.

02:00:55.000 Trump's administration has also been involved in lying to the American people.

02:00:59.000 For instance, when he made it harder to report the number of bombings that have gone on, when he's obscured... I don't think we've gotten a report of the troops on the ground released since February, I think, that they stopped publishing those monthly reports.

02:01:09.000 Like, they've made it harder to get information out of the administration related to bombing.

02:01:12.000 Just this idea... I mean, like, this may be a particular thing that happened in Syria, but the idea that Trump is some peaceful guy that just wants to get us out of all the wars... I don't think he's a peaceful guy.

02:01:19.000 I think he's desperate for votes.

02:01:20.000 Sure.

02:01:21.000 And I'm like, I'll take it.

02:01:23.000 When Trump says the American people hate the wars, and that's true, he says, I'll get the troops out.

02:01:27.000 And then the machine, the establishment, whatever you want to call it, goes, we must keep our troops in the oil fields.

02:01:33.000 But he still is engaging in all of the classic war hockey behaviors.

02:01:37.000 If it would have been Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or Biden that would have killed Soleimani, I think the right would have erupted.

02:01:43.000 Of course, you're totally correct.

02:01:44.000 Absolutely.

02:01:45.000 And when we're still making these multi, you know, massive figure deals to Saudi Arabia for bombs, when we're still involved in stuff in Yemen, I think that people, like, would still be, yeah.

02:01:53.000 I just, I don't see anybody that, like, I'm not gonna sit here and defend Obama's record on foreign policy, because I think there were definitely mistakes made.

02:02:00.000 Probably one of the worst we've ever had in a presidency.

02:02:02.000 Potentially.

02:02:03.000 However, this idea that somebody could be like, I don't like Warhawks, so I'm voting for Trump on his foreign policy, is just, that's crazy to me.

02:02:09.000 Like, how many wars- Pulling our troops out of the Middle East?

02:02:11.000 But that's not even what he did.

02:02:13.000 He didn't.

02:02:13.000 He tried.

02:02:14.000 He tried several times.

02:02:15.000 He's doing it now.

02:02:15.000 While he was trying, he was also escalating tensions across the entire world with so many other countries.

02:02:19.000 Very problematic.

02:02:19.000 Except— Like, he almost supported a coup in Venezuela, I think, when he kept trying to recognize—or not Venezuela, I'm sorry, in Bolivia, when he kept trying to recognize— Democrats did that, too.

02:02:27.000 Regardless, Trump did as well.

02:02:28.000 Sure.

02:02:29.000 He warmed up—he heated—hottened?

02:02:31.000 Heated?

02:02:31.000 uh... he uh... trouble a relation to the same thing what no i can't go

02:02:36.000 because they were all in favor of a button by has talked about that but even

02:02:39.000 if that was true even a first of all by the first time about that's how you

02:02:42.000 know how you want to get an approach to uh... foreign policy now we can say maybe he's lying in all

02:02:46.000 of that sure however like so that's

02:02:48.000 So we have a risk that everything that Biden has said on foreign policy might be a lie, which is possible, but we know that Trump is going to continue the same disastrous foreign policy that has been a staple of American foreign policy for the last 20 years.

02:02:59.000 Of course it's true.

02:03:00.000 Trump just purged the Pentagon leadership in order to force a withdrawal from Afghanistan.

02:03:04.000 Well, we'll see if it happens because he's been talking about a withdrawal from Afghanistan since the day he took office.

02:03:07.000 And they were refusing and they were lying to him.

02:03:10.000 I look, I just he's the I will say the one area Trump is the commander in chief if he

02:03:16.000 can do anything.

02:03:17.000 It's moving troops around.

02:03:18.000 If he had the political will to do it, it would be done.

02:03:20.000 I will take an incompetent attempt at pulling our troops out several times over the legacy

02:03:26.000 of the Obama Biden administration with everything they did.

02:03:30.000 Extrajudicial assassinations, the prosecution of more journalists and whistleblowers under

02:03:34.000 the SB nine SB and I checked and all other presidents combined getting us involved in

02:03:38.000 And how do you feel about why, if this is so important to you, um, firstly,

02:03:41.000 Trump should have pardoned Assange and Snowden.

02:03:43.000 Yeah, why he hasn't made any effort to do that at all.

02:03:45.000 I know!

02:03:46.000 And he should!

02:03:47.000 And Trump has also been constantly battling the media as well, saying he's going to open up libel lawsuits, he's going to start threatening them with suing them if they publish mean things about them.

02:03:54.000 No, no, no.

02:03:55.000 He's right that we need to overturn Times V. Sullivan.

02:03:59.000 Completely think we have to.

02:04:01.000 You know what Times V. Sullivan is?

02:04:02.000 I know very well.

02:04:03.000 It's very important to what I do as a content creator.

02:04:04.000 It established the malice standard, I believe, or the actual malice standard for defamation.

02:04:10.000 It is one of the most important protections of a public figure in the United States.

02:04:14.000 It allows the media to say whatever they want about you.

02:04:18.000 It prevents a chilling effect from being created on the media where they can't publish an article about somebody because if something comes out and it turns out that that's incorrect, then they could be sued for it.

02:04:29.000 Times v. Sullivan, it was the actual malice standard, meaning you had to know.

02:04:33.000 You have to knowingly publish false information about somebody.

02:04:36.000 The reason why that standard is so important is because right now, let's say that it comes out that, let's say that somebody's doing an investigation on it, and it turns out they think that I've killed like three or four people, they've got a decent amount of evidence, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:04:47.000 Let's say that they publish that, and it turns out that I'd ordered somebody else to do it, or it wasn't exactly like that.

02:04:51.000 Well, now I can sue them for defamation.

02:04:53.000 But what happens then to media organizations then?

02:04:56.000 Well, now I never want to report on a public figure, because if I'm wrong, I'm gonna get sued for it.

02:04:58.000 I'll half agree with you then.

02:05:00.000 I'll say we need reform.

02:05:01.000 We certainly do.

02:05:01.000 What reform?

02:05:02.000 So right now, you have—look at Covington, right?

02:05:05.000 The arguments for why Nicholas Sandman—they were allowed to defame him and be wrong was because he was an involuntary public figure, which gave them the Times v. Sullivan standard.

02:05:16.000 They settled.

02:05:16.000 In fact, a lot of the cases, the right will tell you, a celebration, these $250 million lawsuits were settled, they won.

02:05:22.000 They won probably, as some people said, a nuisance fee, maybe a little bit more, meaning it was cheaper to just pay them out and not deal with it.

02:05:28.000 Sure.

02:05:28.000 But a lot of the challenges that were brought forward were dismissed because involuntary public figure.

02:05:33.000 We need a better standard than this.

02:05:35.000 Look, I think you're right.

02:05:37.000 I think I should walk back what I said because I probably was wrong in that initial statement because The assumption is, in good faith.

02:05:44.000 If I read a news article from Defense One that says, Jim Jeffery did X, and I then report that, I shouldn't be able to be sued for that if it turns out Defense One was incorrect.

02:05:54.000 But that's not what we're seeing now.

02:05:55.000 What we're seeing now is like, Today Show published outright lies about me, and masked it with framing device language.

02:06:03.000 And what am I supposed to do to go up against NBCUniversal when they put my face on the Today Show and claimed I was pushing conspiracy theories, which was just total BS.

02:06:12.000 I can't do anything about it.

02:06:13.000 Sure.

02:06:14.000 I don't know specifically which conspiracy theories that they claimed.

02:06:17.000 They claimed that because I reported on the Fox Business article about Seth Rich, I was pushing a conspiracy theory that Seth Rich leaked documents to WikiLeaks, which then got picked up by other outlets who claimed I was claiming that Seth Rich was murdered because he leaked.

02:06:32.000 So they just all start lying and playing this game of telephone. 0.58

02:06:34.000 I can't do anything to stop 50,000 websites all writing garbage.

02:06:39.000 It's impossible.

02:06:39.000 That is frustrating.

02:06:41.000 I can acknowledge that as somebody that's also been maligned publicly.

02:06:43.000 We were talking a little bit before the show for a bunch of insane stuff that people say about me. 0.91

02:06:47.000 It does suck, but it's one of those things... I don't think I want to get into Citizens United.

02:06:52.000 I'm not a fan of that either.

02:06:54.000 It's one of those rulings that's rough, but the other side of it, I think, looks worse.

02:06:59.000 Can we have some kind of reform?

02:07:00.000 For the internet age?

02:07:01.000 I don't know.

02:07:02.000 It's hard, because the problem is that, so the reason why that actual malice standard exists is to avoid what's called a chilling effect.

02:07:08.000 And the idea is that people are going to stop publishing things about powerful public figures if they feel like they can just get sued for publishing something that they don't like to read right now, right?

02:07:16.000 So if I want to sue you for defamation, I need to be able to prove that you knowingly, which is almost an impossible Which is the problem.

02:07:22.000 I got a solution for you.

02:07:26.000 You should be able to sue, and if you can prove that what they published was false, they must issue a retraction.

02:07:33.000 You can do that, but- It doesn't exist right now.

02:07:36.000 Well, I'll take a hot take here that I'm sure the majority of your audience is going to agree on.

02:07:40.000 Most media outlets will retract stories that are completely and totally apparently false.

02:07:44.000 That's not true.

02:07:45.000 I could be wrong, but I feel like if you would actually email anybody that published a certain story- I work for these companies.

02:07:50.000 Sure, and then- I've been in the Slack chats with these conversations.

02:07:53.000 You know what they say?

02:07:54.000 Just wait for it to go away.

02:07:56.000 I was in a meeting.

02:07:57.000 Were you in Slackchats for, what, Breitbart and The Daily Caller?

02:07:59.000 ABC News.

02:08:01.000 ABC and CNN, these guys publish, like, updates.

02:08:03.000 ABC News.

02:08:04.000 That's why, you know, I worked for ABC News and Univision, correct?

02:08:07.000 Sure.

02:08:07.000 And I was in the Slackchats where they said, wait for it to go away.

02:08:11.000 Don't talk about it.

02:08:12.000 We don't want to get called out for what we do.

02:08:14.000 I guess it's just interesting to me because on any story that I read that's like more than a week old, you'll usually always see that they are updating articles or they are clarifying information.

02:08:21.000 Did you know that stealth edits are so frequent that an MIT project was born called News Diffs to track how often news articles from every major publication surreptitiously change the content of their articles?

02:08:33.000 But is it supposed to... When news... The New York Times issues a statement, right?

02:08:38.000 And they say, Betsy Kitty is, you know, a white cat. 0.99

02:08:42.000 And then it turns out she's actually both white and black.

02:08:44.000 They would say, correction, update, editor's note, a previous version of this article said X. They don't do that 99% of the time.

02:08:52.000 It's called stealth editing, and a website was created called NewsDiffs to show you everything they've done.

02:08:57.000 And there are some seriously messed up things you can track.

02:09:01.000 Where news outlets publish overt lies, the story goes viral, and then a day later, completely change the article, destroying all the evidence that ever existed.

02:09:09.000 Well, things can get archived now.

02:09:10.000 I'd be very interested in seeing articles like that, I guess.

02:09:12.000 I just can't think of anything offhand.

02:09:14.000 I can give you a specific example where Dave Weigel of the Washington Post published a completely fictitious story about Kim.com hacking Seth Rich's Gmail account to plant evidence that he was the leaker.

02:09:25.000 And then, when he got... I'll just put it this way, to be very careful of litigation.

02:09:30.000 Six months later, the entire story was changed to become hypothetical.

02:09:34.000 Does it write in the article that they, did they reflect it accurately in the text saying that like we- They never said they updated it.

02:09:39.000 They never said they- Nope.

02:09:40.000 I'll look into it after, I just don't- And it's up on, it's something I've cited over and over again from NewsDiffs.

02:09:47.000 NewsDiffs.org, let me see if I can- I'd have to find a specific article, but this was a really, really big story I tracked for two years, and actually got two retractions from Politico and the Daily Beast.

02:09:58.000 I tracked them down, and I got two journalists at each of those outlets to retract their versions of that story, because the Washington Post fabricated the whole thing.

02:10:06.000 Happens all the time.

02:10:07.000 There was an instance where... Are you familiar with Blair White?

02:10:10.000 Yes.

02:10:11.000 Do you think Blair White is a white nationalist?

02:10:13.000 Um, probably not.

02:10:15.000 Just no.

02:10:16.000 Not overtly.

02:10:17.000 She's pretty conservative.

02:10:18.000 Conservative is not white nationalist.

02:10:19.000 I just haven't followed her recently, so I don't know 100%.

02:10:21.000 The Verge wrote a hit piece accusing Blair of being a whole bunch of things she isn't. 0.96

02:10:27.000 And when she tweeted, I'd like a retraction, they doubled down and added a whole bunch of out of context BS.

02:10:32.000 Like you've been victim to a lot of the same stuff.

02:10:33.000 Sure.

02:10:34.000 So you get it.

02:10:35.000 These outlets have no intention of correcting if they don't have to.

02:10:39.000 Yeah, I guess when I'm thinking of, like, retractions or whatever, I'm thinking of, like, more, like, a reporting of a matter-of-fact.

02:10:44.000 So the, um, the Kim.com thing is interesting.

02:10:47.000 Um, I don't know if I would ever push somebody for a retraction on, like, uh, you know, like, you called me a white nationalist.

02:10:53.000 Because I imagine somebody could make that claim about me and I would say like well

02:10:55.000 I don't think that's true and they could probably publish like a paragraph of like well

02:10:58.000 You said this or this or this or this and it's like okay?

02:11:00.000 Well, this is more a matter of interpretation I guess or argument because some people might think you're

02:11:03.000 white nationalists if you ever do like a particular thing or say a particular

02:11:06.000 Thing I guess I'm more interested in like matters of fact or statements of fact when it comes like retractions

02:11:10.000 Rather than like the author said that this person has this political ideology, which is like a very fluid whatever

02:11:16.000 thing That's that's right. That's meaningless to what it's really

02:11:19.000 the the accusing someone of having an ideology Well, the problem is that a lot of this stuff becomes so

02:11:24.000 vague like So, for instance, people will call you a white nationalist if you have Blue Lives Matter on your profile, which is ridiculous.

02:11:30.000 Here's my favorite. 0.89

02:11:30.000 Boston Globe wrote that this one guy was a white nationalist. 0.89

02:11:35.000 And when I reached out to him and said, whoa, whoa, I didn't realize this dude was a white nationalist, I was like, is there something he specifically said?

02:11:42.000 Because this guy's only ever talked about, like, Trump and America and stuff, and he said, he's a nationalist, right?

02:11:46.000 I was like, yeah.

02:11:47.000 Is he a white guy?

02:11:47.000 Right.

02:11:48.000 Okay, so he's a white nationalist.

02:11:49.000 And I was like, dude, come on! 1.00

02:11:51.000 Which is really dumb. 0.98

02:11:51.000 Yes, yes. 0.98

02:11:53.000 And there's Boston Globe.

02:11:55.000 The problem with news, I think it's no longer being supported.

02:11:59.000 Yeah, it's from 2012.

02:12:00.000 I worked for Vice.

02:12:03.000 I was a founding member of Vice News.

02:12:04.000 I worked for Fusion, which was ABC News Univision.

02:12:06.000 I worked out of the ABC building in New York.

02:12:08.000 I was told by the president to lie on more than one occasion.

02:12:22.000 That if there is a certain bit of news reporting that's true but would be offensive to our

02:12:26.000 audience we don't report it, we side with the audience.

02:12:29.000 That's what I was told to do.

02:12:31.000 Can you give me like a, not a specific example, but like what's like a general example of that?

02:12:34.000 What do you mean by that?

02:12:34.000 Let's say there's two guys in the street, Proud Boy and Antifa, and Antifa walks up and punches the Proud Boy in the face.

02:12:41.000 If I reported that Antifa punched a Proud Boy in the face, it would be offensive to our audience.

02:12:45.000 We don't report it.

02:12:46.000 We have to side with the audience, which means when the Proud Boy got back up and punched Antifa back, that's what we report.

02:12:52.000 Proud Boy attacks Antifa.

02:12:53.000 We ignore the previous context.

02:12:55.000 There was a video that went viral from one of these progressive news outlets where there was a woman at a Trump rally, and she punched a Trump supporter in the face and then got pepper sprayed.

02:13:04.000 They did this clever edit where you see the crowd and you see her yelling and then there's a white flash and then you see her being pepper sprayed.

02:13:10.000 They did a white flash to cover up the fact that she punched a guy in the face and then was sprayed in self-defense.

02:13:16.000 Which was, I think pepper spray is much more measured than punching someone in the face.

02:13:20.000 Depending on, but yeah sure.

02:13:22.000 Right, right.

02:13:22.000 So these kinds of things happen all the time.

02:13:24.000 It's basically why, after I left Fusion, I tried quitting within a year when I was like, this is ridiculous. 0.99

02:13:28.000 I don't want to work for this garbage. 0.98

02:13:30.000 They wouldn't let me. 1.00

02:13:30.000 I was under contract. 1.00

02:13:31.000 And when I left, I actually went around to all of these big companies.

02:13:34.000 I started working at Vice before they had the Vice News Vertical, like the dedicated YouTube channel.

02:13:40.000 And I had to negotiate with them for like six months to actually do it.

02:13:43.000 They didn't want to do on the ground field reporting live or anything like that.

02:13:47.000 Eventually, they agreed because there were people like Rocco Castoro, who's working with me now, and some other people at Vice who were like, listen to this dude, he's doing amazing stuff with mobile live streaming.

02:13:56.000 They agreed, they created this news outlet, and then all of these digital media companies wanted to hire me and were offering me ridiculous money.

02:14:05.000 I ended up working for ABC, it was gold.

02:14:08.000 And then, Golden Handcuffs.

02:14:11.000 At first, they said, we want to do real news.

02:14:13.000 Then they said, no, we don't.

02:14:14.000 We want to make money, basically.

02:14:16.000 So we're going to become a progressive news outlet.

02:14:18.000 Then all the reporting I did, which was conflict, crisis, and very middle of the road, gone.

02:14:23.000 I tried quitting.

02:14:24.000 They wouldn't let me.

02:14:24.000 When I left, I basically had every company saying, come in, come have a meeting with us.

02:14:28.000 I got told by a couple of these companies, tell me what you want to do, and we will give you a budget.

02:14:32.000 You can do it.

02:14:33.000 And then I saw the people working there, I saw the things they were producing, and I said, what the... happened to these people?

02:14:38.000 And so I said, no.

02:14:39.000 I started making YouTube videos.

02:14:40.000 That's it.

02:14:42.000 Media is... You see what happened with Barry Weiss in the New York Times?

02:14:46.000 No.

02:14:47.000 She was an opinion editor, I think, and she quit saying that it's basically become a woke fest, where it's like...

02:14:55.000 Write what we want or else.

02:14:56.000 They forced the resignation of one of the opinion editors because Tom Cotton wrote that op-ed saying, send in the troops, when it came to the riots.

02:15:04.000 That's where news is going.

02:15:05.000 They're gonna stealth edit, they're not gonna issue corrections, and they're ideologically driven.

02:15:09.000 Just the gist of my story.

02:15:11.000 Do you think that this problem exists in alternative media, or do you think they're freer from that than mainstream media?

02:15:16.000 I think alternative media has similar but slightly different problems.

02:15:20.000 The main problem, which does exist in independent channels that are corporations, is the editorial guidelines of, you must report X. So at the New York Times, for instance, they had a mandate, we're going to focus on Trump.

02:15:31.000 When it was looking like the Trump term was coming to an end, they said, we're going to shift now to, oh, no, no, I'm sorry, it was Russiagate.

02:15:37.000 The New York Times had, um, I'm forgetting the names, Dean Barquet, Barquet or whatever, he said, we're going to focus on Russia. 0.94

02:15:43.000 Once the Russia gate was coming to an end, he said, okay, now it's going to be Trump is racist.

02:15:46.000 That's the main driving force, which means that if you had someone who had evidence to present that was contrary to that, they were being mandated at a top down level, not to report that stuff or not to focus on it at the very least.

02:15:57.000 That's a problem.

02:15:58.000 On YouTube, however, you exist, and I exist.

02:16:01.000 And there's echo chambers for sure because people like getting their confirmation bias, but imagine going to one website where you can hear you and me at the same time.

02:16:10.000 Doesn't exist on Breitbart, doesn't exist on MSNBC.

02:16:12.000 So, independent social media.

02:16:14.000 Oh, I should say YouTube is way better than the existing media infrastructure for sure.

02:16:18.000 I guess the problem that I have with a lot of alternative media, so this would include people like you or me or Project Veritas or any of these other types of like YouTube or online entities, is it feels like there is no accountability if you get something wrong.

02:16:30.000 It feels like there is more, regardless of any of the problems that exist in mainstream media, of which I'm sure there are a plethora, it feels like at least there's some accountability where if somebody messes up and it's made public, somebody is going to get fired or something bad is going to happen as a result to it.

02:16:44.000 It also feels like a lot of these companies have a much higher vested interest in not reporting something completely factually incorrectly because if they do, they would get in massive trouble for it and it would hurt their reputation and the bottom line.

02:16:54.000 Whereas it feels like an alternative media.

02:16:56.000 It feels like the goal is to just report, report, report, report.

02:16:59.000 You can get as much wrong as you want, but as long as you're serving a particular ideological narrative, it feels like that ideological drive is much more prevalent in alternative media than it is in mainstream media, where at least there's some accountability to get back to the right.

02:17:09.000 I disagree.

02:17:10.000 When I worked for, well, not Vice at the time, but Vice definitely now, one of the things I started seeing, especially working at the ABC building and at the Univision building, I worked at both buildings at different periods.

02:17:22.000 Completely ideologically driven.

02:17:24.000 They told us outright, our audience is young, progressive, and that's our goal, that's who we're targeting, so side with them.

02:17:30.000 That's it.

02:17:30.000 That's your mandate.

02:17:31.000 So when I came to them and said, okay, well, I don't want to do that, they said, well, then you can't, you know, work with us.

02:17:36.000 Aside from the fact that they were super racist, too, which, you know, one of the reasons I don't like the critical race theory stuff or the critical theory stuff.

02:17:42.000 But there was basically, if you're progressive, you're good.

02:17:44.000 If you're not, we're not going to report it.

02:17:45.000 So they basically, it's the craziest thing.

02:17:47.000 I worked for this major, you know, massive media conglomerate, and I was producing content on my YouTube channel with their money.

02:17:55.000 And they were like, just put our logo on it.

02:17:57.000 Okay?

02:17:57.000 Because they didn't want to run my stuff on their channels, even though my content got more views than anything they produced.

02:18:03.000 And when they did produce stuff, and I told them like, I can help you identify the content that is good, that will go viral.

02:18:09.000 Funny jokes, short films.

02:18:11.000 They didn't like it because one of the things that got promoted, this is a funny, funny story, I'll try to keep it simple because I don't want to get people fired from their jobs or anything like that, but there's a segment called Open Mic Massacre, which was produced by Fusion, where it's a cartoon gag on people, like social justice activists shutting down comedy clubs, or shutting down comedians.

02:18:31.000 It's a comedian who, no matter what jokes he makes, he gets attacked by the audience and then protesters show up.

02:18:37.000 It was one of the biggest videos they ever had.

02:18:39.000 And there was a revolt in the company at the editorial level.

02:18:42.000 They were like, how dare you?

02:18:43.000 It's offensive.

02:18:44.000 We refuse.

02:18:45.000 And they were like, okay, we're so sorry.

02:18:46.000 We'll never do this kind of stuff again.

02:18:47.000 And then they, then they came to me and said, you were right.

02:18:50.000 It went viral.

02:18:51.000 People loved it.

02:18:52.000 We gained a ton of subs, but the employees are furious.

02:18:54.000 So, you know, we can't do this anymore.

02:18:55.000 And I was like, okay, I'm going to be, I'm going to go over there.

02:18:57.000 I'm going to go to Japan.

02:18:58.000 I went to Fukushima.

02:18:59.000 I did my own thing.

02:19:00.000 I tried quitting within like, uh, it was like 13, a bit a year and a month.

02:19:04.000 So I went, I met with the president.

02:19:05.000 I said, cut me loose, bro.

02:19:07.000 I don't want your money.

02:19:08.000 I don't need it.

02:19:09.000 And he was like, wait, wait, wait, you know, you know, let's have a meeting.

02:19:12.000 Let's talk about it.

02:19:13.000 And they really wanted me to just play ball.

02:19:15.000 One day I woke up $40,000 in my bank account and I laughed and I was like, I'm not going to do what you want me to do.

02:19:20.000 I'm not going to, I'm not going to play this game.

02:19:23.000 And then finally my contract ended and they were like, have a nice day.

02:19:26.000 The New York Times is now seeing it with Barry Weiss's resignation.

02:19:30.000 There was a big story that came out in the New Yorker about Slack leaks, Slack messages from people who were basically saying, whose side are you on?

02:19:37.000 Now's our chance to make all this great change happen.

02:19:40.000 So what's basically happened is the New York Times is becoming ideologically driven.

02:19:44.000 Now this is, I believe they're funded by NBC.

02:19:48.000 You're familiar with NowThis News?

02:19:49.000 Yeah, I've seen their- They tried hiring me as their third hire, too.

02:19:54.000 They tried hiring me.

02:19:54.000 I went and had a meeting with them in New York.

02:19:56.000 Refuse to do it.

02:19:58.000 Their president at VidCon, I think this was in 2017 maybe?

02:20:03.000 Said, we have brought on anti-Trump activists, it was 2017, at the highest level to help us produce our content.

02:20:10.000 Completely ideologically driven, not fact-based.

02:20:14.000 And when you say there's no accountability for people in independent media, I pulled up a couple stories, I don't want to name these people.

02:20:20.000 But there's two people from BuzzFeed in particular.

02:20:24.000 One guy from BuzzFeed who was a plagiarist who got fired and now is trucking along just fine with all his fans, they don't care.

02:20:28.000 Another guy who was caught spying, he went to the Financial Times, he got caught spying on Zoom meetings, and he got hired right away by another company.

02:20:36.000 There's no accountability for these people.

02:20:38.000 I have seen people— I would be curious to hear how the second guy got rehired and there wasn't any type of public outrage for it. 0.83

02:20:43.000 But any time you can find an example of somebody doing something, you know, stupid in a mainstream—like, there are people that get fired over stuff.

02:20:49.000 I know that it happened during the Russian reporter, for instance. 0.96

02:20:51.000 I think CNN chopped two guys that got, like, a couple minor details wrong related to some election-related stuff in 2016, I think.

02:20:58.000 But the idea that there is any accountability in alternative media, though, however bad it must be, or you claim it is in mainstream media, it seems like it's a million times worse in alternative media.

02:21:06.000 I can watch people just make blatantly untrue claims over and over and over again on any of these channels.

02:21:11.000 I used to blog a lot for Minds, and you can write an article and then have it get massive traction because it's really popular for whatever reason, and then once it has 100 million or a million views, you go and you edit the article and no one knows.

02:21:24.000 And you can change the title of the article, you can put the images, change the images, change the entire body of text.

02:21:30.000 No, there's no oversight.

02:21:31.000 We had stealth editing.

02:21:33.000 I can imagine that gets abused. 0.63

02:21:35.000 So there was an instance at Fusion where the New York Times altered an article from a straightforward news piece about Ellen Pao.

02:21:43.000 It was Ellen Pao resigns as CEO in a statement.

02:21:45.000 She said X, Y, and Z. That was it.

02:21:47.000 It became the third and fifth high on two different subreddits.

02:21:51.000 The third and fifth highest upvoted of all time on Reddit for any piece of content.

02:21:56.000 The number three, number five.

02:21:57.000 The next day, the New York Times stealth edited the whole article turning it into an op-ed about feminism in Silicon Valley, saying, uh, feminists zero, Silicon Valley bros two, you know, the end of feminism, you know, whatever. 1.00

02:22:10.000 And it was this, like, opinion analysis piece about how it was so unfortunate that she was forced to resign due to misogyny and stuff.

02:22:17.000 Not at all what the original article was.

02:22:19.000 That was a violation of Reddit's rules.

02:22:21.000 And it was serious in terms of internet culture because it was one of the biggest pieces of content and one of the biggest websites in the world.

02:22:27.000 When I went to the managing editor of Fusion and said, it was a Slack meeting, the Slack chat, we got all these different editors, and I was like, we got a huge story going on right now, Reddit's pulling its third and fifth biggest story ever about its own CEO, which is like a conflict of interest, because the New York Times stealth edited the entire article, turning it into an op-ed, and they said, we do that same thing.

02:22:46.000 And I was like What?

02:22:49.000 Yeah, don't report that. Are you doing a story? Don't do a story as a managing editor

02:22:53.000 Don't do a story on that because we do it too. I got up I end up getting a private message from the managing editor

02:22:57.000 who said hey Don't don't report that. Okay, don't don't make a big deal

02:23:01.000 out of it We do the exact same thing and I was like if we make

02:23:03.000 changes shouldn't we just make a new article?

02:23:06.000 If it's a new article, shouldn't we put update?

02:23:08.000 This article previously said this or whatever?

02:23:09.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:23:10.000 We do that because it helps us make money.

02:23:13.000 The link is persistent.

02:23:14.000 What do you think going forward?

02:23:15.000 What do you think of the ways to hold mainstream media companies accountable?

02:23:18.000 What do you think is the way forward for that then, if you believe that's a huge problem?

02:23:21.000 I don't think there's a way to.

02:23:22.000 I think social media has incentivized rapid rage bait content, anger.

02:23:29.000 I mean, you look at like even the conversations around the fact that you were going to come here, there's people thinking that we were going to be punching each other in the face and they're going to make clips saying, you destroyed me or I destroyed you. 0.99

02:23:38.000 It's going to be the stupidest thing ever. 0.99

02:23:39.000 And I think we had a pretty good conversation so far. 1.00

02:23:42.000 People want there to be some kind of tribal rage bait.

02:23:46.000 Now, I say this all the time and I'll completely admit, I'm biased.

02:23:49.000 I've got a couple different channels and you can clearly see my slants and my leanings and don't like the Democrats for a lot of reasons we've gone into.

02:23:57.000 And I actually think that's totally fine for an individual to have an opinion.

02:24:00.000 I think that your opinion on your content is 100% acceptable and it's cool.

02:24:04.000 I think the fact that Kyle Kalinske, David Pakman, the Young Turks, along with conservatives, have your opinions.

02:24:10.000 We get things wrong.

02:24:10.000 We all do.

02:24:11.000 We're all biased.

02:24:12.000 Criticize us 100%.

02:24:14.000 But aside from the Young Turks, they're an organization, so I'll remove them from this.

02:24:18.000 You don't have a boss telling you what opinions you should have or what you should report on.

02:24:21.000 Kind of, but sure.

02:24:22.000 You do?

02:24:23.000 Well, for better or for worse, we're all a little bit enslaved to the larger corporate culture, right?

02:24:29.000 Depending on what we publish, we can get... To an extent, right?

02:24:32.000 But it's not the same as having an editorial manager or having a boss literally saying, like, we're writing these stories or whatever, for sure.

02:24:37.000 Right.

02:24:38.000 Like, here's the mission.

02:24:38.000 Today I want you to write about X. And then you might get someone saying, whoa, that's not true, but I don't want to lose my job, so I'll write it anyway.

02:24:44.000 Sure.

02:24:44.000 Yeah, it's not to that level, yeah.

02:24:45.000 Right, so there is something better in YouTube.

02:24:48.000 The problem is we do have an editorial department, and it's the YouTube community guidelines and the YouTube, you know, what do they call it?

02:24:55.000 The review board or whatever these people do.

02:24:57.000 And demonetization.

02:24:59.000 You know, like, so actually this is something that happened to you.

02:25:01.000 This is like, this is insane.

02:25:03.000 I've defended Kyle Rittenhouse a million and one times.

02:25:06.000 I don't get demonetized for it.

02:25:08.000 We make money on the show through ads talking about Kyle Rittenhouse.

02:25:11.000 You got stripped from the Twitch partner program over it.

02:25:13.000 Sure.

02:25:13.000 Do you want to talk about that?

02:25:14.000 Like, exactly what happened with that?

02:25:17.000 Yeah, I made a really spicy comment relating to defending property from rioters, and people were very upset about that.

02:25:23.000 Long story short, Twitch stripped you of your income.

02:25:26.000 That's your editorial guideline.

02:25:27.000 Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier, where when you're saying, yeah, well, we don't have bosses, like, kind of.

02:25:31.000 But it depends on who tells you stuff.

02:25:33.000 And so that's true, too.

02:25:34.000 Like, you know, the only reason I survive on YouTube is because my opinions are acceptable.

02:25:38.000 Sure.

02:25:38.000 And there are a lot of people who have unacceptable opinions who don't survive.

02:25:41.000 So we have our bosses.

02:25:42.000 It's not like we're printing our own newsletters and then mailing them to people.

02:25:45.000 That's safe.

02:25:46.000 I guess having your own website is safe.

02:25:48.000 Well, no.

02:25:50.000 It's not?

02:25:51.000 Registrars can unhost you.

02:25:53.000 Oh, for sure.

02:25:53.000 That'll happen.

02:25:55.000 Have you experimented with decentralized or mesh networks at all?

02:25:59.000 The problem is the more exotic you get with your distribution, the harder it is to get advertising dollars.

02:26:04.000 Nobody on BitChute is making... 1.00

02:26:06.000 That's the challenge.

02:26:07.000 Yeah, we're torrenting there.

02:26:09.000 I mean, people do actually, but it's through user donations, tips and stuff.

02:26:12.000 Yeah, it's gonna be a lot, yeah.

02:26:13.000 You know, people make a lot of money through these crypto video networks, but that's, to me, is just... A lot of money, too, is... There might be a few that are making a ton, but most of them probably don't.

02:26:21.000 Library, Andreas is just going on about that.

02:26:23.000 Or D5 and stuff.

02:26:24.000 DLive, they have a crypto?

02:26:25.000 No, Library has like a crypto token.

02:26:27.000 Mines has a crypto token.

02:26:28.000 Yeah, DLive has this.

02:26:31.000 DLive has their token and then Steemit.

02:26:33.000 Honestly, crypto tokens and like direct user subscriptions I think is the future.

02:26:37.000 Bypassing advertisers on a mesh network.

02:26:40.000 Possibly.

02:26:40.000 I don't know.

02:26:42.000 A lot of people are making a lot of money doing, like, Patreon-style stuff.

02:26:47.000 But I'll tell you, there is an inherent problem in all of this, is that people will choose to just watch me or just watch you.

02:26:54.000 And a lot of people will say, I don't like Tim or I don't like Destiny, and then they're only gonna get their opinions from one person instead of potentially an organization with a editorial department and different opinions in the op-ed section.

02:27:04.000 Sure.

02:27:05.000 That's why I invite people on who I disagree with and then I get punished for it.

02:27:11.000 It really comes down to building an audience around people who appreciate hearing a different opinion or a disagreement.

02:27:18.000 That's why a lot of people get mad that I'll often let an opposing view Chinese talk a lot.

02:27:23.000 There's a few periods where I just sat back and you explained everything you felt and it's like, You know, that's your opinion.

02:27:28.000 I can't tell you your opinions are wrong.

02:27:29.000 It's your opinion.

02:27:30.000 There are instances where I can bring on someone like Enrique Tarrio of the Proud Boys, and everyone will cheer me on for letting him talk.

02:27:36.000 Then I'll bring on someone like Vosh, and people will get mad at me saying, don't let him speak. 1.00

02:27:40.000 But my goal is like, look, if people don't want to hear, you know, ideas they don't like, then I guess you can't come to this channel.

02:27:47.000 Because I want to continue bringing on people who have dissenting views from me or different opinions.

02:27:52.000 Because it's a problem that if people only watch just my one channel where it's just me talking or they only watch, you know, any leftist channel, then we're polarizing.

02:28:01.000 What, I'm curious, what responsibility do you feel you have to your audience to disseminate messages that you agree with?

02:28:07.000 So let's say, for instance, so your YouTube channel's got a lot of views, I think over 50 million a month, at least.

02:28:14.000 There's three channels.

02:28:15.000 Oh, I didn't even know about the third one, so.

02:28:16.000 Yeah, so there's this, there's TimCast and TimCast News.

02:28:19.000 TimCast News, at its peak, got 50, I think 55 or so million, and then TimCast got 20, and then TimCast IRL got like 26.

02:28:27.000 Gotcha.

02:28:28.000 The election's over, views are going down.

02:28:30.000 Sure, it's slowing down, sure.

02:28:32.000 So, let's say that you have somebody that comes on and from what I know of you, you don't seem to be a white nationalist or anything like that.

02:28:38.000 Let's say you bring somebody on and that person has those types of views and you platform that person and you feel like they profit or they grow from the exposure that they get on your show.

02:28:47.000 Do you feel like you have any responsibility in terms of like messaging or in terms of growing that person's platform or what do you feel?

02:28:53.000 No.

02:28:53.000 I mean, I'm growing your platform to an extent.

02:28:55.000 There's probably a lot of people who are discovering you and thinking, I might disagree, but I'll hear what he has to say and stuff like that.

02:29:01.000 I can't, I can't control that.

02:29:03.000 More importantly though, it's, uh, I don't bring on random nobodies.

02:29:07.000 Like I'm not going to find some just like neo-Nazi lurking in the corner and be like, come to my platform and build a career off this.

02:29:11.000 Sure.

02:29:12.000 Usually it's like Enrique Tarrio.

02:29:13.000 Uh, he's, he's, uh, I guess he just, I don't know what people call him.

02:29:17.000 They call him Afro-Cuban or whatever. 0.53

02:29:18.000 He's black.

02:29:18.000 He's the chairman of the Proud Boys.

02:29:20.000 He was in the news.

02:29:21.000 I mean, Joe Biden mentioned the Proud Boys.

02:29:23.000 I'm like, we should bring him in.

02:29:24.000 Just for reference on this.

02:29:25.000 Do you think that the Proud Boys is like a white nationalist linear organization?

02:29:28.000 Okay, okay.

02:29:29.000 I think there are people who are white nationalists probably associated with the Proud Boys, but the Proud Boys have disavowed.

02:29:35.000 And I think what Enrique said was if they find out someone is, they'll boot them.

02:29:38.000 They'll boot them out. 0.96

02:29:39.000 And recently the Proud Boys did a joint thing with Black Lives Matter.

02:29:42.000 It was kind of surprising.

02:29:45.000 I think it was in Salt Lake City.

02:29:46.000 Black Lives Matter organizer came out with Proud Boys and they issued a joint message of what they agree upon, even though they really disagree on most things.

02:29:53.000 What does the Proud Boys stand for exactly?

02:29:54.000 The Proud Boys are Western chauvinists, so they believe West is best.

02:29:58.000 That's, like, really the gist of it.

02:30:00.000 When you say West, what do we mean by that?

02:30:02.000 America.

02:30:03.000 American values.

02:30:04.000 Traditional, Christian, conservative kind of issues.

02:30:06.000 Nationalism.

02:30:07.000 But they're actually fairly classically liberal.

02:30:10.000 Okay.

02:30:11.000 I haven't dug too much into the Proud Boys stuff, just generally, because I just don't care that much.

02:30:15.000 A lot of times I hear people talk about, like, Western values.

02:30:18.000 Usually it's like a kind of a dog whistle for white issues or identitarian stuff.

02:30:22.000 Often that's not the case.

02:30:23.000 I think there's an overlap.

02:30:25.000 White nationalists, of course, agree with a lot of those things, but the Proud Boys don't agree with the white nationalists.

02:30:28.000 There were people who were white nationalists in the Proud Boys, and then the Proud Boys booted them out.

02:30:33.000 I think the Proud Boys are worthy of a ton of criticism.

02:30:34.000 I've criticized them quite a bit.

02:30:36.000 We had Enrique on.

02:30:37.000 We talked about it.

02:30:37.000 A lot of people were like, they said I was harder on him and Alex Jones than I was on Vosh.

02:30:42.000 And I'm like, Vosh and I were like yelling like raising our voices at each other.

02:30:46.000 I don't know like four hours Yeah, and it was like four hours.

02:30:48.000 You know so but If somebody is is is relevant in some capacity we bring them on a lot of people want me to bring on some America first type individuals, and I'm like I'm I will but like I'm not banning people from my show.

02:31:03.000 I just got to be relevant I don't want to just randomly grab somebody and be like here you go.

02:31:07.000 You know what I mean sure and I would actually say you're not controversial.

02:31:12.000 Of course, I would.

02:31:15.000 There's articles about you getting banned.

02:31:20.000 There are people on the left saying, how dare you defend this guy?

02:31:22.000 Twitch kind of punished you and stuff.

02:31:24.000 Sure, there's a faction of people who are like, this guy's controversial.

02:31:28.000 But for the most part, I think you're just another personality.

02:31:31.000 I don't think either of us are particularly controversial.

02:31:33.000 We're just internet people with opinions who do our shows.

02:31:36.000 Enrique Tarrio is controversial. They're not trying to be disrespectful. He is. He's the chairman of the Proud Boys.

02:31:41.000 They're brought up in a presidential debate. People have strong opinions about him. So, yeah man.

02:31:46.000 I get to talk about DMT a lot. I'll talk about as crazy as stuff as I can, but if it gets too YouTube-century-ish

02:31:54.000 crazy, Tim will be like, let me drop the hammer on this.

02:31:58.000 No, what are you talking about?

02:32:00.000 It's a good vibe.

02:32:00.000 If I talk about the federal reserve or if I want to go into nine or like, I'm not, I'm not, I have no concern about YouTube coming after you.

02:32:07.000 I disagree with you.

02:32:08.000 Oh, it's personal.

02:32:09.000 Yeah, it's personal.

02:32:10.000 Okay, let's go.

02:32:11.000 Well, so it's like, I'll give you an example.

02:32:13.000 We had, when Black Lives Matter were rioting, when the rioters were out, you said it was the Federal Reserve.

02:32:18.000 And I'm like, these people are not... We were talking about riots and why they were angry.

02:32:23.000 And you said... Oh, a class issue.

02:32:25.000 You said it was the Federal Reserve.

02:32:26.000 And I was like, they're not rioting over the Federal Reserve.

02:32:29.000 Do they even know how that works or what it is?

02:32:30.000 We talk about it a little bit.

02:32:31.000 It's more of a class... I think we were talking about that earlier tonight, too.

02:32:34.000 That is really a class issue masked as a race issue.

02:32:38.000 But then the class issue is derived from ancient racism.

02:32:41.000 Combination of factors.

02:32:43.000 Long story short.

02:32:44.000 Is there anything else we should hit on or we should go to Super Chats?

02:32:46.000 We're a little, we're about half an hour over.

02:32:48.000 Yeah.

02:32:48.000 No big deal for me.

02:32:49.000 We got a ridiculous amount of Super Chats.

02:32:51.000 Oh boy.

02:32:54.000 Or wait, actually, hold on, I'm curious.

02:32:56.000 So I will ask, because you asked me why I supported Biden.

02:32:58.000 Yeah.

02:32:58.000 So what are some positives, I guess, going forward for why you would support Trump?

02:33:02.000 I know, assuming the election is over, but like if you had voted for him for 2020, why would you support him over a Biden presidency?

02:33:08.000 Critical race theory, Ben.

02:33:10.000 Specifically targeting, it wasn't overtly critical race theory.

02:33:13.000 It was specific trainings having to do with segregation based on race, which was a violation of Title VII in the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

02:33:18.000 Besides critical race theory?

02:33:18.000 Yeah, what else?

02:33:19.000 So Trump's repeated attempts to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, which he's continued to do even after losing the election.

02:33:28.000 And look, I said earlier this year I wouldn't vote for the guy.

02:33:30.000 I didn't care.

02:33:30.000 I didn't vote for him in 2016.

02:33:32.000 I said earlier this year that what would get me to vote for him is if he issued an executive order decriminalizing, or at the very least ordering the DEA not to prosecute marijuana-related offenses, pardoning nonviolent drug offenders, with a review because some people pled down and they were pleaded down and Appointing Tulsi as national security advisor yang as economic advisor withdrawing from Afghanistan.

02:33:55.000 He's my guy.

02:33:55.000 That's a pretty tall order Sure, none of these things happen to be fair, right?

02:33:59.000 Like fair in the sense like they would ever happen or well like none of these things He didn't do any of these.

02:34:03.000 Of course, of course, like it was like the wish list of like I'm not gonna move it I think the media lies about him I don't think he's nearly as bad as like you ever said segment where MSNBC the woman said that he's talking about exterminating Latinos Like, that's the level of, like, lunacy.

02:34:18.000 The Russiagate stuff was so infuriating.

02:34:19.000 The Ukrainegate stuff was infuriating. 1.00

02:34:21.000 So often I find myself in one of these positions where, for a long time, it was like, stop making me defend the guy.

02:34:25.000 Because I was, like, ragging on him quite a bit in the first few years about foreign policy, for sure.

02:34:29.000 For broader policy things related to, say—because you said you were a fan of Universal Health Care.

02:34:32.000 I think you brought that up.

02:34:33.000 I think you think that climate change is probably real?

02:34:35.000 Climate change is a big problem, definitely.

02:34:37.000 So for like broader things like this, or for more assistance, I don't know how you feel about like general redistribution of welfare, like maybe like free school or something?

02:34:44.000 Not a fan of free college.

02:34:45.000 Not a fan of free college?

02:34:46.000 Mostly because the system as it stands today doesn't work.

02:34:50.000 So I would say I am in favor of... It's a difficult position.

02:34:55.000 I'm in favor of universal health care in some capacity.

02:34:59.000 I'm not in favor of banning private health care.

02:35:01.000 Sure.

02:35:02.000 It's like, you know, a restriction.

02:35:03.000 That's great.

02:35:03.000 You line up with Biden perfectly there, yeah.

02:35:04.000 Yeah.

02:35:06.000 I am for people getting universal education after we dismantle and reform and rebuild the education system.

02:35:11.000 Sure.

02:35:12.000 Okay.

02:35:12.000 Because it's completely broken.

02:35:13.000 Sure.

02:35:15.000 I think a progressive tax system is a good thing.

02:35:18.000 I think we need to make sure that we do what we can to protect the working class individuals from the vulturous predatory elites and the wealthy top 1% billionaires and all that stuff.

02:35:28.000 It feels like, broadly speaking, Feels like you align more with, like, the Democratic foundation or platform than you do with the Republican one.

02:35:36.000 What it used to be.

02:35:37.000 You don't think that any, uh, or do you just think that Biden is lying on all of his proposals?

02:35:40.000 Absolutely.

02:35:41.000 I voted for Barack Obama in 2008 with a smile on my face.

02:35:44.000 I was so excited.

02:35:45.000 George W. Bush, all the protests, I was marching in them, watching these music videos and everyone saying, war is bad, Bush is Hitler and all this stuff.

02:35:53.000 And they were like, Barack Obama, he's gonna make sure we have healthcare, he's gonna help

02:35:57.000 the poor, he's gonna fix these problems, he's gonna bring our troops back, man, you gotta

02:36:00.000 vote for him.

02:36:01.000 And I was so excited, and I walked in and I was like, this is so cool, these people,

02:36:04.000 like we found a cause, I can't believe it, Barack Obama broke through, it was gonna be

02:36:08.000 Hillary Clinton!

02:36:09.000 And then this guy comes out of nowhere, and he's like a regular guy from Chicago!

02:36:12.000 I was from Chicago.

02:36:13.000 Do you think that we did get some, like, universally amazing things under Obama?

02:36:17.000 So for instance, the ACA definitely wasn't perfect, but it was definitely-

02:36:20.000 I thought it was bad, it screwed me really, really bad.

02:36:22.000 All of a sudden, I was having questions with, like, the individual mandate.

02:36:28.000 So regardless of- sure, so regardless of your personal, I guess, effect by it, do you think

02:36:33.000 that overall, do you think that the ACA was a step in the right direction, or do you think

02:36:36.000 it was a mistake?

02:36:37.000 Knowing that it was like 13 million more Americans got it.

02:36:39.000 It's nuanced, right?

02:36:40.000 Like the- Yeah.

02:36:43.000 Pre-existing conditions stuff?

02:36:44.000 Excellent.

02:36:44.000 Must exist.

02:36:45.000 And I'm glad that we're at a point now where even Trump is saying and putting executive orders on it.

02:36:48.000 Yeah, forcing companies to pay out instead of trying to drop people because they make a claim and stuff like that.

02:36:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:36:52.000 I can't stand these insurance companies.

02:36:54.000 I think we need dramatic reform across the board on so much stuff.

02:36:58.000 It feels like from the Democratic platform, based on what Obama did with the ACA and was trying to do with the ACA, it feels like that's more a step in the right direction than Republicans that are just completely trying to dismantle all form of government intervention in healthcare.

02:37:09.000 But for me, like most people, we have opinions where we weigh certain things more than we weigh others.

02:37:15.000 That's healthcare.

02:37:17.000 For me, healthcare wasn't one of those issues.

02:37:19.000 I was young, strapping, virile lad.

02:37:21.000 It didn't really mean that much to me.

02:37:22.000 But when they said I had to pay a fine because I couldn't afford healthcare, then I made enough money to where I should have bought healthcare, but I couldn't!

02:37:30.000 I ended up homeless.

02:37:31.000 I have a... I'll be vague with this, but someone who was very close to me in my life has been forced to pay... was forced to pay the fee and was, like, essentially destitute because it was, like, piling up on their taxes.

02:37:44.000 I think they just ended up owing money.

02:37:45.000 Gotcha.

02:37:46.000 That's interesting.

02:37:47.000 I don't know, obviously, their exact financial position, but there were huge exemptions made for people that were even above the poverty line.

02:37:52.000 It would scale off, I think, depending on how much they were made, but it's possible that... Living in a city...

02:37:55.000 making a certain amount of money, not being able to afford your rent and food at the same time.

02:38:00.000 Because you'd be under federal poverty, or not under federal poverty, but for a city you might be.

02:38:03.000 And so what happened was their tax bill, that they just have a debt to the IRS for that,

02:38:07.000 but Trump got rid of it, I don't know what happened, but that was like...

02:38:09.000 So for generally speaking on things like healthcare, it seems like we kind of align

02:38:14.000 more on the Democratic platform than the Republican one.

02:38:17.000 What are the Republicans doing?

02:38:19.000 Trying to take it all apart.

02:38:21.000 Well, they got rid of the mandate, which means that it's going to continue to collapse, probably.

02:38:25.000 You know, I tried to go to the doctor earlier this year and I couldn't because of the ACA.

02:38:28.000 And I was literally told, the insurance you have bars you from coming to our facility.

02:38:33.000 And I said, it's fine, I'll pay cash.

02:38:35.000 And they said, no, you don't understand.

02:38:37.000 You can't come here.

02:38:38.000 Wait, what?

02:38:39.000 How?

02:38:39.000 No joke.

02:38:41.000 I have no idea.

02:38:41.000 So weird.

02:38:43.000 I don't have insurance.

02:38:44.000 I've never had problems getting into any hospital.

02:38:45.000 You don't have insurance.

02:38:46.000 I don't have insurance.

02:38:47.000 Because I do have insurance, they said under the ACA, because you have insurance, you are not allowed to come to this facility even if you pay cash.

02:38:54.000 I called like three different like just like general physician facilities or whatever.

02:39:00.000 And they all told me the same thing.

02:39:01.000 Sorry, figure out where it is.

02:39:03.000 So I went to urgent care and I was able to pay cash.

02:39:05.000 That's interesting.

02:39:06.000 Not a fan of that.

02:39:07.000 Yeah, that sounds bad, but like even, I guess, because unfortunately I can't speak to your personal stories.

02:39:11.000 You may have had like bad personal experiences with anything related to the healthcare system.

02:39:15.000 But I mean like, it did insure like over 10 million more people.

02:39:17.000 But the problem is, what the ACA was basically, it was like this ridiculous fake compromise, where instead of actually creating a system that would, I think there was good intentions behind it.

02:39:28.000 The idea was like, how do we get to a universal healthcare standpoint?

02:39:31.000 Or at least a public option.

02:39:32.000 Right, and so it was, okay, well what if we make everyone buy insurance and then they pay a fee if they don't?

02:39:38.000 And all that did was make sure the massive insurance companies, who still don't care about you, were able to keep ripping you off.

02:39:44.000 Well, kind of.

02:39:45.000 So there were provisions under the ACA that made it, for instance, that the total amount of money that you take in, like a certain percent, has to be paid out in the form of claims.

02:39:53.000 You can't have like 50% of your costs going to administrative costs.

02:39:56.000 There were a lot of good things that were made to bring those companies into line.

02:39:59.000 I guess I'm just, when I look at, like, the ACA, in a lot of ways, sucked.

02:40:03.000 But in some ways, the ACA was amazing.

02:40:05.000 Like, again, it insured a lot more people.

02:40:07.000 But costs continued to rise in healthcare.

02:40:09.000 For some people that were on the border of not qualifying for those, like, poverty line provisions and not making that much, like the working poor, you got absolutely destroyed by the ACA and the mandate, for sure.

02:40:18.000 So it definitely should have went farther.

02:40:19.000 But it just, it feels like when I look at the difference between, like, a Republican having office for four more years or a Democrat, it feels like going farther is so much more likely under a Democratic administration than a Republican one.

02:40:29.000 In the end, I'd rather have nothing than broken, I guess.

02:40:35.000 So I'd rather be in a situation where I'm responsible for myself than whatever mangled garbage we ended up getting.

02:40:42.000 How do you say that to somebody that has like a type 1 diabetic?

02:40:44.000 Someone who through no fault of their own has, like, it's either they have a pre-existing condition if they don't have some sort of like- I'm not voting for other people.

02:40:50.000 Okay.

02:40:51.000 I mean, it's the reality.

02:40:52.000 I don't know, like you mentioned, my anecdotes, you can't speak to them, I can't speak to other people, and I don't know, I don't have those experiences.

02:40:57.000 Healthcare is not the biggest issue for me and it wasn't a thing I ever really paid attention to, it didn't affect me.

02:41:01.000 Okay, sure.

02:41:02.000 I'm just curious, I guess.

02:41:03.000 Foreign policy, on the other hand, was I come from a family of many military veterans.

02:41:08.000 I've had in-laws and direct family in the military, and so foreign policy always mattered to me.

02:41:15.000 Even before that, my dad is a former Marine.

02:41:19.000 My grandpa served in World War II.

02:41:22.000 Foreign policy mattered a whole lot.

02:41:24.000 I grew up in Chicago.

02:41:25.000 Hated the wars.

02:41:26.000 Hated the waste of money.

02:41:27.000 Thought that we were spending money overseas doing nation building.

02:41:30.000 And this is like, I'm a teenager now.

02:41:31.000 Iraq and Afghanistan's in full swing.

02:41:32.000 Obama comes along.

02:41:34.000 It was a lie.

02:41:34.000 It was a complete lie.

02:41:35.000 So for me, the issues were always around, uh, like foreign policy was a big issue.

02:41:39.000 Most people don't care.

02:41:40.000 They don't care at all.

02:41:41.000 But I was concerned about war conflict.

02:41:43.000 And I, and, and, and that played into, I started covering conflict crisis, civil unrest.

02:41:47.000 I went to a bunch of foreign countries.

02:41:48.000 That's always been in the front of my mind.

02:41:51.000 So Barack Obama, I don't care if he got you healthcare.

02:41:55.000 You know why?

02:41:55.000 Because he blew up kids.

02:41:57.000 He blew up an American citizen. 0.83

02:42:00.000 I believe it was four.

02:42:01.000 He was arresting whistleblowers.

02:42:02.000 When it comes to foreign policy, do you give Obama any credit for things like flying relations with Cuba or like the Iranian nuclear deal?

02:42:07.000 Like steps towards normalizing relationships with like Iran? 0.82

02:42:10.000 Do you think that any of that was important?

02:42:12.000 Uh, I would say to the extent that I know of them, yeah, probably.

02:42:16.000 I think what he ended up doing with Iran wasn't a net positive.

02:42:20.000 I think it was an attempt because it didn't result in the net.

02:42:23.000 We still have, nothing changed.

02:42:25.000 Well, nothing changed because now we've rolled back the deal, of course.

02:42:28.000 But before Trump, we still had intense conflict sanctions.

02:42:32.000 It wasn't moving.

02:42:34.000 We were in the process of easing sanctions, right?

02:42:36.000 Like people talk about the boatloads of cash, right?

02:42:38.000 We unfroze a lot of the assets that we were holding, and I think we were taking steps towards, depending on how many years had gone by, easing a lot of the sanctions.

02:42:46.000 There was a lot going on in that direction with Obama pertaining to Iran, and it was conflict.

02:42:50.000 Qatar-Turkey pipeline, which you brought up earlier on.

02:42:52.000 There was a report.

02:42:53.000 I don't know if this actually went public.

02:42:54.000 Maybe I'm going to leak some information that I probably shouldn't because the story was never published, but Iran was smuggling in gold through Turkish Airlines.

02:43:02.000 There was a whole bunch of workarounds that were being granted to them.

02:43:05.000 That's not necessarily surprising, but I mean, like, that's also just kind of the nature of the Middle East.

02:43:11.000 Like, for instance, we have our ally Turkey that was, like, the reason why ISIS was making so much money is because they were just driving those trucks north right into Turkey and just selling the oil and driving on back.

02:43:20.000 So, and then also, you know, we talk about, like, Yemen, like, it would be nice.

02:43:22.000 It's like, okay, what we're done here, and then all of the Gulf states will look at us like, excuse me, what do you mean you're done here?

02:43:27.000 Like, hello, we're your most important, like, group of cluster of allies in the Middle East. 0.64

02:43:30.000 Not to excuse Obama, but just to, like, it sucks, all of the Middle East. 1.00

02:43:33.000 And even to some extent, and I would even say publicly, like, I'm not going to blame Trump for what's going on in the Middle East either. 0.96

02:43:38.000 I will be critical of some of his actions, whether it's abandoning the Turks, talking about running Syrian oil fields, or any of that dumb stuff.

02:43:44.000 Or, yeah, abandoning the Kurds to the Turks.

02:43:47.000 That stuff is bad, but I guess for me, the reason I bring up health care reform policy is because my two favorite accomplishments under Obama was I think that the ACA was historic.

02:43:56.000 What we ended up getting, the compromise, kind of sucked undoubtedly, but it was historic in terms of moving in that direction and finally joining the rest of the OECD countries and having some sort of public health care.

02:44:05.000 And then working to normalize relationships with Iran was unbelievable. 0.82

02:44:08.000 If that would have been something that would have continued into the future, Like, thawing relations in that part of the world and getting the Gulf states to just calm down with the conflict?

02:44:16.000 I'm not convinced Obama was doing that.

02:44:19.000 And I think, in the past few months, Trump has these historic peace agreements between Arabic nations and Israel, and it's massive.

02:44:26.000 It is.

02:44:27.000 You know what really kind of offended me?

02:44:29.000 I don't take offense to many things, but it was when Trump crossed the DMZ into North Korea.

02:44:35.000 To me, that was like, I was welling up.

02:44:37.000 I was just like, wow.

02:44:39.000 But all of that was horrible.

02:44:39.000 What do you mean?

02:44:40.000 That was amazing.

02:44:41.000 It was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.

02:44:43.000 This is one of the worst things that's ever happened in U.S.

02:44:44.000 and North Korea.

02:44:45.000 I'm Korean.

02:44:45.000 I don't know how that made you even more upset about it.

02:44:48.000 Because Donald Trump, with no security, with no security, crossed into North Korea in a tremendous sign of good faith, giving me hope that there was actually trust enough where the President theoretically, or straight up, risked his life.

02:45:03.000 They could have just... You know that the North Korean soldiers grab South Korean soldiers and pull them into North Korea?

02:45:08.000 Trump freely walked into the country with no security, shook hands, smiled, and walked back.

02:45:12.000 And that was huge to me.

02:45:14.000 That's great.

02:45:15.000 But at the end of the day, all we did was we had a few friendly conversations with Kim.

02:45:19.000 They continued working on their nuclear program.

02:45:21.000 We made some concessions to them.

02:45:22.000 Nothing happened.

02:45:23.000 And it set back work in that part of the world.

02:45:26.000 I disagree.

02:45:27.000 Okay.

02:45:27.000 Well, I mean, Japan and South Korea disagree.

02:45:29.000 I mean, for a variety of reasons, but South Korea, my understanding, has been working towards an agreement with North Korea that's been improving for quite some time.

02:45:38.000 They have been, yeah.

02:45:40.000 I thought it was incredible to see the President of the United States make that move.

02:45:43.000 I guess it was just sad that, like, for a guy that talks about making deals so much, and for an Iranian deal that we had gotten concessions out of, that he'd completely dismantled, We went and we talked to North Korea and we got zero concessions out of them.

02:45:53.000 And they expanded all of their training programs and everything.

02:45:57.000 They did bad in a lot of ways and they played Trump, but I think that was tremendous.

02:46:03.000 I think it's the kind of thing that needs to happen.

02:46:06.000 Whether or not it would have ultimately resulted in restoration, peace in the peninsula or whatever, it's hard to say, but I thought it was a step in the right direction.

02:46:15.000 I mean, listen, man, the President of the United States walking into North Korea with no security is a big deal.

02:46:22.000 I guess.

02:46:23.000 I don't really care.

02:46:24.000 It didn't really accomplish much.

02:46:27.000 Maybe symbolically it was nice.

02:46:28.000 Aside from foreign policy and healthcare, you don't care much about healthcare.

02:46:33.000 Foreign policy is a big deal to you.

02:46:34.000 I care about healthcare.

02:46:36.000 Let me clarify.

02:46:36.000 When I say you don't care about healthcare, it's not a key voting issue for you.

02:46:40.000 It's not going to make or break your vote.

02:46:42.000 We should have universal basic level care.

02:46:45.000 If you get sick, you can rush to the hospital, they'll give you Tamiflu, what you need.

02:46:48.000 You break your hand, you go to the doctor, they can set your broken hand.

02:46:51.000 If you get more serious, rare genetic disorders that are very difficult, require more resources, that's where private insurance is gonna kick in to a certain degree.

02:47:02.000 I think we can provide that, but it's gonna be so limited and difficult to get.

02:47:07.000 I think we need some sort of, not necessarily, I wouldn't even call it a public option.

02:47:11.000 It's a hybrid system of, there are a lot of people who, you know, kids, you see the story, they get the flu, they die, or diabetics, they can't get insulin.

02:47:18.000 That's the kind of stuff that should be easily taken care of.

02:47:20.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:47:21.000 But when someone's got like a rare genetic disorder, Yeah, I don't think anybody is.

02:47:25.000 They are.

02:47:26.000 I've had the arguments.

02:47:27.000 Sure, there might be.

02:47:27.000 For Biden, for the administration that is coming in, the public option is the most voted, which is a multi-payer system.

02:47:32.000 So you still have all your private health care if you want through your work or union or whatever.

02:47:35.000 And then we have a public option, hopefully, for people that can't afford it.

02:47:36.000 The problem is getting there.

02:47:38.000 What do you mean?

02:47:39.000 Like legislatively or like administratively?

02:47:41.000 Everything, everything.

02:47:42.000 And I don't think it's a good reason not to try.

02:47:44.000 I think with this system, even Bernie Sanders has acknowledged millions of jobs will be lost in the health care industry.

02:47:53.000 potentially a side if it's a problem

02:47:55.000 sure but jobs are never a good reason to keep any particular thing like

02:47:58.000 dismantling the military industrial complex would cost a lot of private job

02:48:01.000 of course i going lucky at the end of the day i like these are

02:48:04.000 yes i mean i think there's always a little bit of a time that i think it's

02:48:07.000 like the a good reason to ignore it i'm saying it's something that overcome for

02:48:10.000 sure so

02:48:11.000 i don't i don't see uh...

02:48:14.000 a good reason other than like the argument from conservatives and i and i

02:48:17.000 respect it is prices would be cheaper

02:48:20.000 if we just had free competition in the marketplace with health care

02:48:24.000 free of the regulations and all that stuff and to accept i agree

02:48:27.000 but the problem is i don't like uh... i don't know i mean left

02:48:31.000 uh... morally and ethically on the issue so i like the idea that just because someone was mcdonald's

02:48:37.000 doesn't mean they should be provided the care to like fix their broken hand

02:48:39.000 or take care the kids got the flu

02:48:41.000 because they can't afford you know market rates a great uh... uh... uh...

02:48:44.000 Granted, the conservatives argue the market rates would be cheap enough for them if it was complete and totally free.

02:48:49.000 I don't completely agree.

02:48:51.000 I kind of agree, but I still... Doesn't seem to work that way any other part of the world, but... Well, I mean, most of the countries have already instituted some kind of national healthcare system, and it's due to long-standing... Like, Europe, it has a lot to do with World War II and stuff like that.

02:49:02.000 Sure.

02:49:02.000 I think the market would price itself in the sense that if they can't get customers to pay the bills, they'd have to figure out a way to improve it, but... Kind of.

02:49:09.000 So market forces wouldn't exactly It doesn't exactly work that way.

02:49:12.000 Right, I'm saying.

02:49:13.000 So for instance, if I could do some surgery and I could sell it to 10 people for $100 or just one person for $1,000, it might make sense to just do the one person and ignore the nine, right?

02:49:21.000 But market forces are really good at setting prices and everything and the most efficient way to allocate capital, but when healthcare, we don't want to just allocate capital efficiently, we want to take care of our citizens.

02:49:28.000 I'm totally for the mixed economy.

02:49:30.000 I think the current system is great.

02:49:32.000 That's why I don't like the far left, the socialist stuff.

02:49:34.000 Sure.

02:49:35.000 Like Bernie Sanders banned private healthcare.

02:49:36.000 I'm like, that's crazy.

02:49:37.000 Yeah, that plan was insane, yeah.

02:49:39.000 Yeah, don't do that.

02:49:40.000 I think the challenge is getting to this position, and I also believe in freedom of the individual, in which case, as a more libertarian-leaning person, if you want to implement the system, it's done through cooperation.

02:49:53.000 You have to convince the people we're going to do the right thing and we're going to make it work.

02:49:56.000 Very difficult task to do, and that's the problem.

02:49:59.000 Ultimately, I think it's the weakness of not being an authoritarian who just imposes it upon people for the good of the people.

02:50:04.000 Like, I know it's better for you, so we're doing it.

02:50:06.000 In some cases, that may be, but I don't think we're going to be happier living under one person who thinks they know better than us or a handful of people.

02:50:13.000 Well, that's kind of what... I mean, like, if they impose it on us, I mean, that's... we kind of voted for it, right?

02:50:17.000 Not necessarily.

02:50:19.000 This is the challenge.

02:50:20.000 And I think it's one of the reasons I love this country.

02:50:22.000 It's a republic, which means there's minority strength.

02:50:25.000 That, you know, you can get a president who didn't win the popular vote.

02:50:28.000 That's a good thing.

02:50:29.000 Because you don't want just a majority to constantly push a majority opinion.

02:50:33.000 Sure.

02:50:33.000 But if we're pushing something that's making it through, like, the House, the Senate, and the president signing into law, there's a good chance that a majority of the American people are supporting this.

02:50:40.000 It's highly unlikely otherwise, you know?

02:50:41.000 I'm down for it.

02:50:42.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:50:42.000 And there's always going to be some minority of the country that's going to be bullied around by them, which is because nobody's 100% in favor of anything.

02:50:47.000 So I think it's an issue... Right, I agree with you. 0.96

02:50:50.000 So that's why I think one of the problems we have right now is when... I can't get into the specifics, but Harry Reid did away with the filibuster in 2013, allowing for Trump to get three Supreme Court justices in with a simple majority.

02:51:02.000 Sure.

02:51:03.000 This had been fought with even under Bush, I think.

02:51:05.000 People have gone back and forth arguing whether or not the filibuster should... Yeah.

02:51:08.000 The problem, well, you used to need, I guess, you needed two-thirds to get a Supreme Court justice in, and then Harry Reid changed it to 51 simple majority for confirmation.

02:51:17.000 Wait, for what?

02:51:18.000 For Supreme Court confirmation.

02:51:20.000 Was it Supreme Court?

02:51:21.000 I thought these were for lower federal judiciary picks.

02:51:24.000 My understanding is that's how Trump got three justices in, with 51 votes.

02:51:27.000 I think that was only done under...

02:51:31.000 For, um, at the, yeah, or wait, nevermind.

02:51:33.000 Yeah.

02:51:33.000 Under the last year of Obama.

02:51:34.000 Yes.

02:51:34.000 McConnell said, you'll regret this.

02:51:36.000 Yeah.

02:51:36.000 McConnell was the one that changed it for the Supreme court picks, but that hadn't.

02:51:39.000 No, no, no.

02:51:39.000 It was Harry Reid.

02:51:40.000 Are you sure?

02:51:41.000 Yeah.

02:51:41.000 Because the Democrats were in the majority and Mitch McConnell said, you will regret this sooner than you think.

02:51:45.000 I wasn't aware that that was for that.

02:51:47.000 I don't think that was for Supreme court related stuff though.

02:51:49.000 That was for a lower federal picks was, is my understanding.

02:51:51.000 McConnell was the one who first triggered that for a Supreme court nominee for Merrick Garland in the last year of Obama's presidency.

02:51:57.000 Perhaps.

02:51:58.000 But I know that... Roll Call says, if you don't like the Supreme Court, blame Harry Reid.

02:52:02.000 Yeah, because... but that was because of the threatening of the nuclear option for earlier and lower court picks.

02:52:09.000 It hadn't been triggered yet for the Supreme Court.

02:52:11.000 It's a minor ripple, but yeah.

02:52:14.000 But arguably those threats and then undoing the filibuster for the lower court picks is what led McConnell to do it for the Supreme Court picks.

02:52:20.000 I think the best thing in the world would be needing two-thirds majority for approval of legislation.

02:52:25.000 In the Senate?

02:52:27.000 Either.

02:52:27.000 Oh, sure.

02:52:29.000 Forcing the majority to cooperate and negotiate with the minority.

02:52:33.000 You wouldn't get ridiculous far left or far right or whatever.

02:52:37.000 You'd get them saying, we want to pass this.

02:52:39.000 Okay, well, you got to get us to agree with you.

02:52:41.000 And that's good because it keeps us together.

02:52:42.000 One of the problems we've had is how polarized and uncompromising it feels a lot of Congress is right now.

02:52:47.000 I think it's better to have no movement forward than rapid, erratic back and forth, you know what I mean?

02:52:53.000 Yeah, I kind of agree, but the only problem is that what happens then is that all of our movement comes from either executive actions or the Supreme Court.

02:52:59.000 Yup, which is a problem too.

02:53:01.000 Okay, I'm just curious then, so for one other issue, so healthcare, foreign policy, what's like a third issue that you would like, and besides the critical race theory, what's another thing that like, oh, I would support Trump because of this particular thing?

02:53:11.000 Um, it's a tough question.

02:53:14.000 For me, it had a lot to do with the riots.

02:53:16.000 Absolutely.

02:53:17.000 The critical race theory is huge.

02:53:18.000 That may have overtaken, um, you know.

02:53:20.000 Like I said earlier in the air, I said I wasn't going to vote for the guy.

02:53:23.000 But I think critical race theory played a huge role because that's deeply impacted my life.

02:53:26.000 Not just in the sense that there's like this theory and people believe it, but the practical application of Directly impacted the safety and well-being of my family and my experience and the stories I grew up.

02:53:36.000 Hate it.

02:53:37.000 100%.

02:53:37.000 Not the fact that the theory exists.

02:53:39.000 I hate the practical application.

02:53:40.000 So when Trump says, you know, we're going to issue an executive order, probably would have done him well to read the theory a bit more.

02:53:46.000 I was happy.

02:53:46.000 I said, wow, that's, that's great.

02:53:48.000 I don't like this stuff.

02:53:49.000 Good.

02:53:49.000 I'm glad Biden said he's going to overturn that and bring it all back.

02:53:52.000 That to me is a nightmare.

02:53:53.000 The Democrats were trying to repeal the civil rights provision in their constitution with Prop 16 in California.

02:53:58.000 I understand that California is one of the few states that actually has one, but it's still shocking to me that the Democrats all signed on, both state level and federal level, were like, yep, we want to repeal this civil rights provision, guaranteeing you can't discriminate on the basis of race because we want to.

02:54:13.000 And I'm like, my understanding is that what starts in California makes its way to the rest of the country.

02:54:17.000 I would not be surprised if Democrats in a few years vote to repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

02:54:21.000 Sure.

02:54:23.000 Yes.

02:54:24.000 Yeah, I guess we'll see.

02:54:27.000 You know why though, right?

02:54:28.000 Why?

02:54:29.000 They want the right to discriminate on the basis of race.

02:54:31.000 Sure, but I feel like I'm almost positive.

02:54:33.000 I looked this up once before.

02:54:35.000 I think the Supreme Court has already ruled that it is okay to discriminate against even protected classes as long as there's a business necessary reason to do so.

02:54:43.000 Um, so, like, uh, I looked this up, so for instance— Acting.

02:54:45.000 Huh, what?

02:54:46.000 Acting.

02:54:46.000 Acting, and, uh, like, why can we have all-female gyms?

02:54:49.000 You're discriminating against, uh, gender.

02:54:50.000 Right.

02:54:50.000 Which is like a protected class, yeah.

02:54:51.000 And the reason is because— Actually, but they're losing, I'm pretty sure.

02:54:54.000 Are they?

02:54:54.000 Because my understanding is that the reason why those did exist was because the Supreme Court ruled that in some cases, like, if it's business as such, you can have, like, an all-female gym.

02:55:00.000 Like, that's an okay thing to do.

02:55:01.000 It may be for gyms, but I do know that there is a bunch of guys who go around suing ladies' night bars, or like, lady bars. 0.97

02:55:07.000 Interesting, I haven't heard of that.

02:55:08.000 I do know that one of the- Make a lot of money doing it!

02:55:10.000 I think one of the important parts of that Supreme Court case was that, um, you are not allowed to have, like, other vital stuff going on in that business that would lead to that discrimination being negative.

02:55:20.000 So, for instance, if you had an all-female gym, that's fine, but if that all-female gym started to host, like, meetings related to some business activity, well, that's not okay, because now you'd be discriminating against men going- I don't know if, like, the ladies' bar issue is running into that or whatever, but- I just, I don't like discrimination.

02:55:34.000 Positive or negative.

02:55:35.000 So anyway, long story short, that is a big issue for me.

02:55:38.000 I don't like it.

02:55:40.000 When Trump started coming out against the riots, I was shocked to see the Democrats supporting it.

02:55:46.000 Either passively or directly.

02:55:47.000 Like, defund the police stuff to me is absolutely insane.

02:55:50.000 And I've been ragging on cops frequently, like the cops in Staten Island who are barring this guy from, you know, from opening his bar to the public.

02:55:57.000 Even though he's not running the business, he's just letting him have free drinks.

02:56:00.000 They're violating the First Amendment of the Constitution.

02:56:02.000 The right to peaceably assemble.

02:56:03.000 It doesn't say for what reason.

02:56:04.000 So the fact that these cops are like, eh, I don't care, I'm gonna do it.

02:56:06.000 I rag on them all the time. 0.95

02:56:07.000 I still think defund the police is nuts.

02:56:09.000 And now we're seeing crime skyrocketing in, you know, a bunch of different places.

02:56:13.000 I'll tell you one of the big issues for me, though, was the midterm betrayal, in my opinion.

02:56:19.000 The moderate Democrats, who won 31 districts, flipping control of the House to the Democrats, they ran on kitchen table issues, the economy, healthcare, etc.

02:56:28.000 They said that they weren't going to play Pelosi's game and be anti-Trump culture warriors, and then they did.

02:56:33.000 And they came in and they said impeachment, and that was the name of the game, that was the big story, that's what carried through, and almost nobody stood up to them.

02:56:41.000 I mean, I think the big problem with that was that those seemed to be the only gains that would gain any traction.

02:56:45.000 I think the problem is that the House, under those two years of Pelosi, the House passed like record amounts of legislation, but literally absolutely nothing could make it through the Senate.

02:56:54.000 So at the end of the day, I mean like impeachment over whether or not, I'm guessing you probably don't think the Ukraine stuff is legitimate, but whether or not it was, like that was literally the only stuff they could actually get through or have any meaningful impact on in the House.

02:57:03.000 Yeah, the Ukraine stuff is not legitimate.

02:57:05.000 Okay, the Ukraine stuff?

02:57:07.000 Did you say Iran stuff?

02:57:08.000 Ukraine.

02:57:09.000 Oh yeah, okay.

02:57:10.000 That's a whole other conversation.

02:57:11.000 I know, I know.

02:57:13.000 But like, they were passing legislation at the House, but that's all they can do.

02:57:16.000 I think a big issue, like the conversation I had with Vosh, and even with you, is different sources of information.

02:57:22.000 One of the things I brought up before, for those that are listening, before we went live was like, you can find a source that confirms your bias.

02:57:30.000 And it's like really hard to break through this and figure out what is it.

02:57:32.000 You can do that, yeah.

02:57:34.000 I feel like you can go through credibility source, but obviously most people never will.

02:57:37.000 It seems like you can reinforce whatever opinion you want to on the internet.

02:57:39.000 I pull up, uh, it's true.

02:57:41.000 Yeah.

02:57:42.000 You know who Ryan Long is, the comedian?

02:57:43.000 No, I don't.

02:57:44.000 He did a bit where he's like, he just basically says, if you like Black Lives Matter, you can say that they're doing good, or you can say they're bad.

02:57:49.000 And he like just goes through all the articles that are like, and these are legitimate, like New York Times, Washington Post, Telegraph, Financial Times.

02:57:55.000 Where they just say contradictory things and you're laughing, seeing like a different headline every single day. 0.99

02:58:00.000 It's the stupidest thing ever. 0.99

02:58:01.000 Makes it impossible to track what's going on. 0.99

02:58:03.000 I'll tell you, even with these lawsuits, like Trump wins one, then loses one, then appeals one, then loses the appeal, but appeals again.

02:58:09.000 And when I say something, like I was talking to someone and I said, Oh, did you hear Trump appealed?

02:58:12.000 Oh, but he lost the appeal.

02:58:12.000 No, no, no.

02:58:13.000 He appealed again.

02:58:14.000 Wait, no, no, no.

02:58:14.000 I just read today.

02:58:15.000 It's like, I don't know which one is which.

02:58:16.000 We don't know where he's at.

02:58:17.000 So, so anyway, when I look at Trump, I see, uh, Not that bad.

02:58:23.000 I think in terms of foreign policy, he's better.

02:58:29.000 What did Luke say?

02:58:30.000 He's less of a stinky a-hole than all the other presidents in our lifetime, considering not starting new wars being the big factor.

02:58:37.000 I haven't followed it too closely, but do you know who's currently being accused of killing the Iranian nuclear scientist? 0.92

02:58:43.000 Who, Trump?

02:58:44.000 No, I'm asking you.

02:58:44.000 I don't actually know.

02:58:45.000 Israel? 0.53

02:58:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:58:47.000 I wasn't sure if that was with... I've heard people say Israel.

02:58:49.000 I don't know if that was like a U.S.

02:58:50.000 backing or assistance or not.

02:58:51.000 Yeah, I don't like any of that.

02:58:53.000 I don't like any of that.

02:58:54.000 But I think under... I kind of... The challenge is I'm watching what Trump is doing right now with the riots.

02:59:01.000 That was big.

02:59:02.000 What he's doing with critical race theory and what he's doing with at least trying to, be it ineffectively, withdraw our troops from the Middle East.

02:59:08.000 Okay.

02:59:09.000 I know what we get with Biden.

02:59:10.000 I lived through eight years of it.

02:59:12.000 So, I'm not gonna vote for that.

02:59:13.000 Not only that, like, I think what Biden is selling you is snake oil.

02:59:17.000 I know the left says the same thing about Trump.

02:59:19.000 I think a lot of— Well, no, I think Trump would continue to do the things he's doing now.

02:59:22.000 I just think they're all really bad, but I understand.

02:59:24.000 Like getting our troops out of the Middle East?

02:59:25.000 He hasn't gotten our troops out of the Middle East.

02:59:26.000 No, but trying to.

02:59:26.000 He continues trying to do it.

02:59:27.000 Yeah, but he's escalated tensions all over the world, every other country.

02:59:29.000 He did it with Bolivia, he did it with Venezuela, he's done it with Cuba, he's done it with Iran, he's done it with— And under—and with Obama-Biden, they literally entered a bunch of these countries.

02:59:37.000 Well, they entered a bunch of countries.

02:59:38.000 Syria, kind of.

02:59:39.000 Libya.

02:59:40.000 Sure.

02:59:41.000 And, you know, I don't know.

02:59:45.000 Do you know who Sidney Blumenthal is?

02:59:47.000 Talk to me about him.

02:59:49.000 Sidney's a guy.

02:59:49.000 He is a Clinton advisor from like the 90s and a really good friend of Hillary's and stuff.

02:59:54.000 And so like 10,000 of the emails that Hillary had received were from Sidney.

02:59:58.000 And he had a company called Global Osprey, Osprey Global Solutions, which is an arms manufacturing company.

03:00:03.000 So he would email Hillary and be like, hey, when you get us into Iran, we want to set up Osprey Global Solutions to fund this new pro-America government.

03:00:11.000 And Hillary would be like, okay, Sid. 1.00

03:00:12.000 And then she'd pass the email to her advisor, and then she advised Obama to take us into Libya.

03:00:17.000 Basically, he's a, you know, what would you call him, a gunrunner and a really good friend of Hillary's.

03:00:23.000 Okay, hold on.

03:00:24.000 You trust the government?

03:00:25.000 Barely.

03:00:25.000 Trump's barely the government.

03:00:26.000 But my understanding is that the UN had accused and had proof that in Libya Gaddafi was like literally using like

03:00:30.000 chemical weapons and Stuff against some of the people that there were like human

03:00:32.000 rights. You trust the government I Mean more than I mean Trump is the government right like

03:00:37.000 what do you mean early government?

03:00:38.000 Like I'm barely the government, but I mean like when there's enough like global

03:00:41.000 But wait do you think that Assad ever used chemical weapons in Syria definitely okay? 0.68

03:00:45.000 You don't think there are any human rights violations?

03:00:47.000 I didn't say he didn't.

03:00:48.000 I'm just wondering, like, when they come out and say things, do you just, like, do you just trust them?

03:00:52.000 A lot of these bodies are, like, comprised of, like, multiple countries and whatnot.

03:00:56.000 I guess it's possible that there could be some top-down, um, behind the scenes Sure.

03:01:02.000 I was unaware.

03:01:03.000 saying like a lot of these issues come down to who you trust.

03:01:05.000 Sure.

03:01:06.000 I don't I was unaware I didn't think it was that contested that there were human rights

03:01:10.000 abuses going on under Gaddafi.

03:01:12.000 There are people who think the like dude the progressive anti-war leftists.

03:01:17.000 Yeah I'm aware of that.

03:01:19.000 It's all made up, it's not real.

03:01:20.000 Basically, every single bad thing around the world is the CIA and everybody else is propaganda.

03:01:23.000 Exactly, exactly.

03:01:24.000 No, so I say the trust in the government thing not as a dig where I'm just, you know, like, when the U.S.

03:01:29.000 government comes out and says, we did a thing, it's like, I would say I don't.

03:01:36.000 But there's Occam's razor, I guess.

03:01:37.000 You know what I mean?

03:01:39.000 I would just put it this way.

03:01:39.000 I don't trust the government, but I'd support the U.S.

03:01:41.000 over a different country.

03:01:43.000 What was I going to say?

03:01:46.000 Hillary Clinton, man.

03:01:47.000 That's the other big problem with the Biden administration.

03:01:50.000 He's bringing back a lot of these same people, and these are just some of the worst people imaginable.

03:01:56.000 It's true.

03:01:56.000 Trump did the same thing, which is why I didn't vote for him.

03:01:58.000 John Bolton.

03:01:59.000 Wow!

03:02:00.000 What a mistake.

03:02:01.000 The only real reason I voted for him was like, hey, maybe he'll keep trying to get our troops out of the Middle East.

03:02:04.000 I'll just vote for it.

03:02:05.000 You know what I mean?

03:02:06.000 I'm not a MAGA hat-wearing guy, not a flag-waving guy.

03:02:10.000 I do think, like I said, Trump is better than all the other presidents of my lifetime for the fact that he didn't start any new wars.

03:02:15.000 Sure.

03:02:16.000 I guess we'll see.

03:02:17.000 Biden has written a lot about what he wants to do with Middle East-related stuff, but I'm not— It's not going to be Biden.

03:02:20.000 It's going to be— It's going to be Kamala Harris.

03:02:22.000 Sure, but that stuff is so difficult.

03:02:25.000 I hope for the best.

03:02:27.000 I mean, like, love him or hate him.

03:02:29.000 Love or hate all the wars.

03:02:30.000 We can't really just leave everything, right?

03:02:33.000 Agreed.

03:02:34.000 The vacuums and everything created, it makes it like everything is very rough.

03:02:37.000 ISIS comes back.

03:02:39.000 Yeah, ISIS or the Taliban in Afghanistan and everything.

03:02:45.000 I was just studying Iraq.

03:02:46.000 After we went into Iraq, basically, first they fired 50,000 civil servants that had worked for Saddam.

03:02:54.000 And this was all these unemployed people across the country.

03:02:57.000 And then they disbanded the entire Iraqi military.

03:03:00.000 And then ISIS got created.

03:03:02.000 The huge problem with the coalition government, I think we said in Iraq, and I still have no idea why this happened, was when we kicked everybody out of the government that was part of that government, part of the Ba'ath party, is we literally said none of the people that were ever involved in any of these positions can ever hold public office or whatever.

03:03:17.000 And the amount of tomfoolery that went on in that government and how crazy everything became with how horrible the government we put together, the guy that we put in there, the Maliki guy, there was just so much mismanagement from that. 1.00

03:03:29.000 But regardless of how all of that went down, I'm just, I'm not envious of being somebody that has to figure out how we leave the Middle East now because it's so rough in terms of like, because if you just pull everything out, a lot of vacuums are created.

03:03:39.000 We've got a lot of allies in the region that get irritated.

03:03:41.000 Um, like, you know, Israel or the Gulf States don't want to see like a united, uh, you know, like, uh, Syria, Iraq, Iran, like this united front of people.

03:03:48.000 And it seems like we've already kind of lost Iraq in terms of like being an ally.

03:03:51.000 Like it's, it's a rough, I'm not saying, I don't support wars everywhere, but I understand the, um, even for Trump, I understand the position.

03:03:58.000 I just feel like we can't stay there.

03:04:00.000 What's up with our troops in Pakistan?

03:04:01.000 Luke mentioned that last night.

03:04:03.000 I don't know anything about it.

03:04:04.000 Oh, I don't know, but war's about to break out between China, India, Pakistan.

03:04:08.000 So US has troops in Pakistan to observe?

03:04:11.000 I don't know.

03:04:12.000 I don't know.

03:04:13.000 I mean, I know the U.S.

03:04:14.000 has troops and paramilitary groups all over the world in places you don't know about.

03:04:18.000 We just had breaking news about a CIA guy dying in Somalia in some secret military operation.

03:04:22.000 I'm sure we have a lot of people in a lot of places.

03:04:26.000 Do you know who Sean Parnell is?

03:04:27.000 No.

03:04:28.000 He's running for Congress.

03:04:29.000 He's a Republican.

03:04:30.000 He doesn't think we can just pull out all our troops because that's how you get ISIS.

03:04:34.000 You create this vacuum and then someone comes in.

03:04:36.000 But he does think that we can reduce it quite a bit and have a way drawn down presence and just kind of help maintain it.

03:04:42.000 I think our problem ever since Bush is we just don't have like a cohesive mission.

03:04:48.000 And when you don't really have a clear objective, then like this, the, the one thing that we need to stop doing is having wars on things like a war on poverty, a war on drugs, a war on terrorism.

03:04:57.000 Like these things are going to exist throughout the entirety of the world.

03:05:00.000 And when your, when your objectives are so vague, you don't really know what you're like.

03:05:03.000 When do we leave?

03:05:04.000 You know, you know, you know, I made a video praising the green new deal before they announced the green new deal.

03:05:10.000 Why?

03:05:10.000 why because the idea initially was government investment in green

03:05:15.000 technologies and energy energy that would bolster the economy make us

03:05:20.000 energy independent and environmentally friendly that sounds great doesn't it

03:05:23.000 that would be awesome that's what the green new deal actually was exactly it's

03:05:26.000 They want to change, dramatically change the economy.

03:05:28.000 They've got social justice provisions. 0.96

03:05:30.000 20% of all companies sold to the workers.

03:05:31.000 Federal jobs guarantee.

03:05:32.000 There's a lot of other stuff baked into that.

03:05:34.000 Exactly.

03:05:34.000 And that's another reason.

03:05:36.000 I just bring that up because it's like, you know, it's funny.

03:05:39.000 I guess I'm classified as right for opposing the critical theory stuff and supporting Trump primarily on the war stuff and the critical race theory stuff.

03:05:48.000 But unlike most other things, I say it all the time in like almost all my videos.

03:05:52.000 It's the weirdest thing, but I understand when these people make these super cuts of me to insult me, they purposely dodge the stuff where I've like ranted about Flint's water crisis over and over again.

03:06:03.000 I'm pretty sure that we took a totality of YouTube content.

03:06:05.000 You're probably being more critical of the left than the right though.

03:06:07.000 I'm critical of the critical race theory left stuff.

03:06:09.000 Sure.

03:06:10.000 Yeah.

03:06:10.000 But when I say things like, I understand why people are upset with police and police brutality, and I did an hour-long documentary on it.

03:06:17.000 But I guess the issue is, like, when I've criticized McConnell and the Republicans, it's because they're establishment crony politicians who just want to be in office to get their paycheck and do nothing.

03:06:27.000 And then that's what they do.

03:06:27.000 They do.

03:06:28.000 What do they do?

03:06:28.000 They obstruct.

03:06:29.000 They block.

03:06:29.000 And they're appointing federal judges.

03:06:31.000 I mean that's doing something. I mean to their credit Republicans have done an amazing job in the Senate blocking.

03:06:35.000 If you are Republican you should be happy with that with McConnell and

03:06:38.000 Republicans in the Senate. They did a great job.

03:06:39.000 Appointing all those judges.

03:06:40.000 They got three Supreme Court picks. They have appointed all the judges.

03:06:42.000 Yeah, they've been doing a knockout job if you're a Republican.

03:06:45.000 Yeah, man, everything is just so crazy and broken right now.

03:06:49.000 You'll really...

03:06:50.000 Regarding pulling troops, you reminded me when you brought up Sean Parnell and pulling out troops, creating a power vacuum.

03:06:56.000 What we did with the Iraqi government once our troops were in, by disbanding their civil servants, was we created a power vacuum without pulling our troops out.

03:07:03.000 So pulling troops out is not the only way to create a power vacuum that can cause something like ISIS.

03:07:08.000 We can leave our troops there and still cause that to happen.

03:07:10.000 Yeah, depending on how much you disrupt things.

03:07:12.000 We gotta go to Super Chats.

03:07:13.000 Yeah, go for it.

03:07:13.000 Because we were supposed to do it a long time ago and we kind of just kept going.

03:07:16.000 We're basically chilling and having a conversation.

03:07:18.000 One hour later.

03:07:19.000 One hour later.

03:07:19.000 Well, it's been 40 minutes.

03:07:23.000 Are you okay with very spicy questions where people are mad at you?

03:07:25.000 Yeah, of course.

03:07:26.000 It's my whole life online.

03:07:28.000 Well, here's the first one that comes up.

03:07:29.000 Mr. Obvious says, Destiny said on camera that he lets his girlfriend sleep with other men.

03:07:33.000 Is that true or was that just a meme?

03:07:35.000 Open relationships are pure cuckery.

03:07:38.000 I like open relationships, so for me personally, and I understand that everybody has their own thing, I don't think I could ever be in a spot in my life where I only want to have sex with one person for the rest of my life.

03:07:49.000 That is a hard sell for me.

03:07:51.000 So what you're really saying is that your girlfriend lets you sleep with other women?

03:07:54.000 Well yeah, but it's equal on both sides, right?

03:07:57.000 But that's never how it's framed.

03:08:00.000 It's funny because like sometimes like she'll complain that like she feels like it may be like I get around too much or it's not fair to her but then when people like frame it in my relationship it's that I'm literally sitting at home while she's bringing home like these massive BBC's that are just railing her and blah blah blah and I'm just like crying in the corner or whatever and it's like okay.

03:08:16.000 Different people from different communities have very different ideas of like how my personal life is.

03:08:20.000 It's very funny to see people project their insecurities on me.

03:08:22.000 Do you know Jeffrey Miller?

03:08:23.000 Nope.

03:08:24.000 He's like an intellectual dark web personality, so you could probably assume some things about his personality in that context, but I think he's real big into polyamory.

03:08:33.000 Yeah, that's technically what I really should know.

03:08:37.000 I don't want to derail too much.

03:08:38.000 Did you hear Sam Harris recently on the IDW and all that?

03:08:41.000 No, what did he say?

03:08:42.000 Oh, he kind of disavowed a lot of it, but I don't want to paraphrase it.

03:08:45.000 Oh, really?

03:08:45.000 He's, like, really hardcore anti-Trump in a weird way.

03:08:49.000 Like, by all means.

03:08:50.000 He's a good anti-Trumper.

03:08:52.000 There are a few people on the internet that were, I think, legitimately, like, centrist, but they built up very conservative audiences.

03:09:00.000 Like, your audience, I think, is very conservative.

03:09:02.000 You're not correct.

03:09:03.000 Okay.

03:09:03.000 If I go and look at any, and I did this before I came here, because you look at like any of the top comments on like all of your past videos, it's all- But comments are very different.

03:09:10.000 Comments are driven by controversy.

03:09:12.000 So this, this, this, this, this stream we have is one of the like, one of the highest super chats we've done because of the controversy.

03:09:18.000 The comments were getting- Of course, yeah, I agree with that, yeah.

03:09:20.000 But, okay, so I don't know if I can, we're not gonna argue over it, but there are some people that play a center role, but they end up building very right-leaning audiences, and whenever they clash with them, they run into huge problems.

03:09:31.000 So Sam Harris, for example, do you know Thunderf00t?

03:09:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:09:34.000 That was a guy that was, there were a lot of like, this is like the gaming thing, a lot of people came out and they're like, oh, I'm a centrist.

03:09:38.000 They're probably more right than not, but Thunderf00t legitimately, I think, had his principled stance on things.

03:09:42.000 Anytime he would say anything negative about Trump, he would get slaughtered by his audience.

03:09:45.000 I will say, it probably is dependent upon where you are.

03:09:49.000 Like to call someone conservative or liberal is like, it's extremely subjective.

03:09:54.000 I kind of, I look at the fan bases, I guess, when I think of like, what kind of person is this person?

03:09:58.000 Cause usually the fan base can be pretty telling.

03:09:59.000 Like what kind of people do they attract?

03:10:01.000 So we did a survey and, uh, I would say that if you were to combine the groups between left and right, left slightly outranks right of my audience, but they're like moderates.

03:10:12.000 Sure.

03:10:12.000 They're not leftist.

03:10:13.000 They're not hardcore.

03:10:14.000 They're not even traditional liberals.

03:10:15.000 And it's hard doing left and right because some people are very like single issue.

03:10:19.000 Like, there might be a lot of people that are literally, just when it comes to the critical race theory, I imagine because you talk about it quite a bit, that's like their one issue, so they might consider themselves on it.

03:10:26.000 Yeah, and foreign policy stuff. 0.99

03:10:28.000 So, initially I was like, Bolton, wow, Trump, I can't believe he's doing this stuff, it's so dumb. 0.96

03:10:32.000 But the media certainly lies about him way too much. 1.00

03:10:34.000 Some of the stuff is ridiculous.

03:10:36.000 Unfortunately, which makes it really hard. 0.99

03:10:37.000 There's a lot of dumb stories. 0.97

03:10:39.000 Do you remember the fish food one? 0.99

03:10:41.000 Yeah, with Shinzo Abe. 0.99

03:10:42.000 Yeah, just dumb. 1.00

03:10:43.000 It's a lot of stupid stuff. 1.00

03:10:44.000 One of my favorite things about Trump being out of office, one of the happiest reasons why he's gone, and I'm still looking forward to moving past... He's not gone yet. 1.00

03:10:50.000 Well, not yet, true. 0.98

03:10:51.000 I'm looking forward to moving past all the SNL, the dumb skits and the dumb jokes and all that. 0.97

03:10:56.000 Dude, I legitimately hate Trump more than a lot of people, but even I'm tired of all the... You know what I'm excited for is the media just falling apart. 0.97

03:11:05.000 Their ratings were in the gutter before Trump.

03:11:06.000 Trump saved them.

03:11:07.000 And even Twitter.

03:11:08.000 I think there's always things in the media that they can criticize.

03:11:11.000 I don't think they're going anywhere.

03:11:12.000 Jon Stewart's had a lot of people ask us with Stewart.

03:11:14.000 They're like, oh, well, after Bush is gone, like, isn't the media gonna have nothing to do?

03:11:17.000 It's like, hmm, they'll always carry on in some way.

03:11:19.000 But he did retire.

03:11:20.000 I disagree.

03:11:21.000 He did retire after that.

03:11:23.000 What we saw before Trump was apocalyptic.

03:11:27.000 Shane Smith, the CEO of Vice, said, we're gonna see a bloodbath in digital in the next, you know, year or so.

03:11:32.000 Then Trump got elected.

03:11:33.000 Or then, I'm sorry, before that could have happened, Trump started campaigning.

03:11:36.000 And then all of a sudden, ratings on TV started skyrocketing, CNN's ratings started skyrocketing, Fox News, YouTube viewership, everything started going nuts around Trump.

03:11:46.000 If Trump, you know, if this is the end, if he doesn't run in 2024, if he doesn't stay in public light, if he doesn't pull off some triple Hail Mary or whatever, Twitter was bleeding users before Trump started, you know, before he got elected.

03:11:59.000 Media companies were downsizing and laying people off.

03:12:02.000 Oh, like endlessly, even in the past few years without Trump.

03:12:07.000 Yeah, I guess we'll see what happens.

03:12:08.000 Trumpism, I guess they're going to talk about whatever.

03:12:09.000 Maybe.

03:12:10.000 Yeah.

03:12:10.000 We'll see what happens.

03:12:10.000 All right.

03:12:11.000 Let's read.

03:12:11.000 Let's read some more of these super chats.

03:12:13.000 A lot of people who don't like you.

03:12:15.000 Joanna Davidoff says guy came out of his basement to get on Tim's show.

03:12:19.000 Question.

03:12:20.000 Uh, nice.

03:12:20.000 I've been living on my own for the past, like, 15 years.

03:12:25.000 The projection is real.

03:12:26.000 Go ahead.

03:12:26.000 All right.

03:12:26.000 Let's see.

03:12:28.000 Luke Durkin says, Destiny, if trans men equals men, then men equals trans men.

03:12:32.000 Correct?

03:12:35.000 No.

03:12:36.000 he says so there's a category error right so um if uh if uh if green beans equal vegetables do

03:12:43.000 vegetables equal green beans so like if you want to put it in the category of men to include trans

03:12:47.000 men just because all trans men would be in the category of men doesn't mean that all men are in

03:12:51.000 the category of trans men it's like a subset of the other whether or not you agree with trans issues

03:12:56.000 Like, yeah, it's, yeah, it doesn't logically follow.

03:12:57.000 He says, same for women. 1.00

03:12:59.000 So we, are we all trans?

03:13:01.000 YouTube blocking me, hence the use of, yeah, okay.

03:13:04.000 So I think you, you clarified that.

03:13:05.000 Sure.

03:13:06.000 Shadi Viceroy says, here's something crazy.

03:13:08.000 How about the government stops dipping their grubby hands out of my pockets?

03:13:11.000 You lock me down.

03:13:12.000 I lose my job.

03:13:12.000 I lose my house.

03:13:13.000 And then I end up on the streets because the government decided my rights are sidestepped because of a disease.

03:13:19.000 That's horrible.

03:13:19.000 There should be more stimulus.

03:13:21.000 You know what, though?

03:13:21.000 I think one thing I definitely should say is people don't want to be dependent on the government.

03:13:25.000 They don't want to rely on stimulus.

03:13:26.000 I think that's true of almost everybody, yeah.

03:13:28.000 I don't.

03:13:28.000 So what if people just said, no, we don't want to do that?

03:13:30.000 Wait, you don't what?

03:13:31.000 No, I think it's true of almost everybody that nobody wants to be reliant on stimulus.

03:13:34.000 Like, people like to work and feel like they're... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:13:36.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:13:37.000 So then the natural recourse, I guess, would be for people to say, protect the vulnerable, but open the economy so I can work.

03:13:43.000 I think people in Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea all like to work, too, and they somehow manage to lock down for a little bit, keep the virus under control, open up, go back to work.

03:13:49.000 They don't have the same constitution we do, though.

03:13:51.000 That's what creates a huge problem.

03:13:52.000 Sure, we're talking legal versus philosophical argument.

03:13:54.000 Right.

03:13:55.000 Philosophically, I think that it's okay to take a break for two months and get everything under control and then go back to work.

03:13:59.000 Legally, I don't know if there are grounds for it.

03:14:01.000 I know people have fought a lot over how much the president can do in terms of enforcing lockdowns.

03:14:05.000 Yeah.

03:14:05.000 They bring up stuff we did under the Spanish flu and how much the government did there.

03:14:09.000 I don't know the legal arguments there.

03:14:10.000 I think even a lot of legal people don't know the arguments there.

03:14:11.000 I'm not sure.

03:14:13.000 I have some fundamental principles.

03:14:21.000 I think everybody in society ought to have the access and the opportunity to do whatever they want in a happy, healthy manner.

03:14:27.000 If UBI is the way to get there, then cool.

03:14:31.000 I know they were running a few UBI experiments in Canada, I think?

03:14:33.000 Not a fan.

03:14:33.000 Although, you're not a fan, or I'm not a fan?

03:14:35.000 I'm not a fan of UBI.

03:14:36.000 Oh.

03:14:37.000 If UBI is one of those things that works really well, if we do this in a state or whatever, and it's like, wow, this actually enabled so many people, then yeah, go for it.

03:14:44.000 But if not, then yeah.

03:14:45.000 I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other.

03:14:47.000 I don't like unemployment insurance, because if you get a job, you lose it.

03:14:50.000 So there's an incentive to not get a job, to continue to collect your unemployment.

03:14:53.000 Yeah, there's a guy on Twitter, Medlock?

03:14:56.000 I don't know if you've heard of him.

03:14:57.000 He fights this guy a lot on Twitter.

03:15:01.000 An interesting argument to be made about marginal tax rates, basically, that when you have these programs for poor people, what happens is that as they earn more money, in a roundabout way, they're kind of sort of getting penalized for it in increasing amounts because the welfare that they're receiving is dropping off.

03:15:18.000 Which is an interesting argument.

03:15:19.000 I don't know if I believe it, but basically the idea is that if you get unemployment insurance, you're in a way punished for working because as you start to work, you're really not making as much money, right?

03:15:26.000 And then UBI wouldn't taper off.

03:15:28.000 You'd always continue to get it as you got better.

03:15:30.000 Yeah, basically.

03:15:30.000 That's what I like.

03:15:31.000 It's one of those things where I'd have to see how it plays out.

03:15:34.000 All right, Trucker and Tourist says, Lock everything down?

03:15:37.000 How do you get food?

03:15:38.000 It doesn't just appear on the shelf.

03:15:39.000 I am a part of the supply chain for that.

03:15:41.000 We would be forced to be slaves working while y'all get to sit home. 1.00

03:15:45.000 Nah, man.

03:15:46.000 You're already slaves working?

03:15:47.000 I'm sorry, it's a capitalist economy.

03:15:48.000 You want to eat and have food and have like a home?

03:15:50.000 You're already slaves to the economy.

03:15:53.000 I guess in the sense that we did it, or we could do it, we did have a complete and total lockdown for two months.

03:15:58.000 Absolutely not.

03:15:59.000 Not in the United States.

03:16:00.000 Why not?

03:16:01.000 Because most restaurants are still seating people indoors.

03:16:03.000 Most places were still open.

03:16:04.000 Oh, you mean in the country?

03:16:05.000 Yeah.

03:16:06.000 Wait, what were you talking about?

03:16:07.000 Just like we had the lockdown in New York, for instance.

03:16:09.000 It didn't work.

03:16:11.000 Um, my understanding is that the states in the northeast, I'd have to look at the coronavirus charts, but the states in the northeast that did lock down did a really good job of bringing infections under control.

03:16:18.000 And it all came back?

03:16:19.000 Well, as you relax the restrictions, it comes back, of course, yeah.

03:16:21.000 So that means we're just gonna lock down forever?

03:16:23.000 Um, it means that you have to be more careful about the measures that you take in terms of, like, opening and closing and, like, the responsible, like, things that you do.

03:16:30.000 So New York locked down hardcore.

03:16:32.000 And they did, and they brought the infection rate down hardcore.

03:16:34.000 And then they started to reopen, and it just came right back.

03:16:36.000 Sure.

03:16:37.000 So then- So you have to work on tapering on and off.

03:16:39.000 Basically, the goal is you have to make sure- It's a ton- That's untenable, man.

03:16:42.000 Come on.

03:16:42.000 It's not untenable.

03:16:43.000 The goal is to make it so that you don't overflow your hospital.

03:16:45.000 Which, for the most part, the United States hasn't done so far.

03:16:47.000 I'm not saying that you lock it down and the virus has gone forever, right?

03:16:49.000 Even in Australia, it came back.

03:16:50.000 In Victoria, they had a huge spike, right?

03:16:52.000 So, we just lock down for two months, open for two months, lock down for two months?

03:16:57.000 I think the goal would be to have it, like, it doesn't feel like in the United States, we have a good sliding scale of, like, Lockdown level one, two, three, four.

03:17:04.000 Like, we're locked down now, and then it's like, okay, well, we're kind of open.

03:17:08.000 Like, I think Florida, Georgia, some southern states have done this, where it's like, okay, hold on, guys.

03:17:11.000 And then it's like, ah, screw it, just everything's open again.

03:17:13.000 I think that if you have, like, the more measured, like, we can do this, and this, and this, and you slowly expand it, cases rise, you close, you open, we're waiting for the vaccine.

03:17:19.000 Like, I think that's kind of how you have to play it, ideally.

03:17:22.000 We haven't hit the point yet in the United States where hospitals are, like, overflowing that much.

03:17:25.000 I think a couple counties in Texas complained about it.

03:17:28.000 It's been specific hospitals.

03:17:29.000 Yeah, specific hospitals.

03:17:30.000 And there's a lot of empty ones.

03:17:30.000 I know that California has been projecting that over Christmas, if cases continue to rise where we might get overflowing, that's like the doom... I don't think so.

03:17:37.000 Yeah, hopefully not.

03:17:38.000 But that's like the doomsday scenario that we're trying to avoid.

03:17:40.000 And so far we've skirted that, although economically we've suffered a ton of harm for it.

03:17:45.000 I guess the retrospective on this will be very interesting.

03:17:50.000 I don't think that person watches any of my videos. 0.83

03:17:56.000 Like, there's a reason why the Trump forums, they called me a bald cuck. 0.52

03:18:00.000 And they make fun of me. 0.50

03:18:01.000 Because I've never been, like, waving a MAGA flag.

03:18:07.000 I've been saying things like, I think he's not that bad.

03:18:09.000 I think there's a bunch of things he's done that's way better.

03:18:10.000 I think Joe Biden, I got a really negative Joe Biden thing because of the Obama administration and all that stuff.

03:18:16.000 But yeah, like we, in the conversation, I was talking about his lawsuit.

03:18:21.000 I talked about it earlier that I got, I got ragged on pretty hard for criticizing Sidney Powell and now look what's happening.

03:18:27.000 They're criticizing Sidney Powell.

03:18:29.000 People don't watch my content, you know, and then they come in here and they have an assumption about me.

03:18:32.000 I'm sure you get the exact same thing.

03:18:34.000 Sure.

03:18:35.000 Bugpop says, common, cheap, and well-known promising drugs was reassuring.

03:18:39.000 Consider placebo and nocebo effects.

03:18:41.000 Some people with terminal cancer prognosis die before cancer becomes fatal.

03:18:45.000 Nocebo highly correlates with high stress.

03:18:47.000 I'm not sure what that was in reference to.

03:18:49.000 I think he's trying to say that Trump lying about the threat of the coronavirus was better for the overall health of the country, which can be true, but that's only if you're doing work in the background.

03:18:56.000 So for instance, if we're telling a cancer patient maybe we're being a little bit optimistic, that doesn't mean we halt all treatment and halt all cancer research.

03:19:02.000 I might be a little bit nicer to you about the outcome of your chemotherapy, but it doesn't mean I'm going to stop giving you the drug.

03:19:07.000 Sejong the Great says, I was literally watching the videos on election night of the booting, the boarding of the tabulation rooms, etc.

03:19:13.000 Destiny is regurgitating nonsense.

03:19:15.000 So there were videos from a bunch of different states.

03:19:19.000 I watched a ton of live election coverage that night.

03:19:22.000 You said it yourself, I agree with you, it's really hard to watch one video and figure out what's going on.

03:19:27.000 There's so much, one video is posted, and I have to be careful because I don't want to be eating, you know, my... There's an expression for this, but like, I don't want to, like, be totally wrong where, like, two days later, it's like, you retweeted this video.

03:19:39.000 Didn't you know that this happened two months ago?

03:19:41.000 Or, like, this was, like, a four-year-old video.

03:19:42.000 It's like, oh, shoot.

03:19:42.000 Oh, I didn't know, right?

03:19:43.000 A lot of people do that.

03:19:44.000 People got some people with that with the, uh, um, look at how horrible these, uh, uh, immigration camps are or whatever. 0.93

03:19:49.000 It's like, yeah, that's wrong.

03:19:50.000 It's like, oh, well, these pictures are under Obama's administration.

03:19:52.000 Right.

03:19:52.000 There's a video of a guy getting arrested, and then everyone said it was a COVID arrest, but it had nothing to do with COVID.

03:19:56.000 It was from years ago.

03:19:57.000 Yeah, so I tried, like, you can paint whatever picture you want with a 20-second clip on Twitter, and I saw this with the Rittenhouse stuff.

03:20:04.000 Oh my goodness, I saw so many different things based on some videos, and it's like, oh god.

03:20:08.000 Oh, we got you here.

03:20:09.000 Marty says, this guy contradicted himself the moment he admitted he's very wealthy in the beginning.

03:20:14.000 Lockdowns hurt the middle class.

03:20:15.000 Government supports the poor.

03:20:17.000 $1,200 is not going to save the middle class families from losing everything.

03:20:20.000 He'll be okay.

03:20:21.000 I don't deny that at all.

03:20:22.000 The Trump administration's been great for me.

03:20:23.000 This election is awesome.

03:20:24.000 This election is a win-win for me, because I save more money.

03:20:26.000 No, your taxes are going to skyrocket.

03:20:27.000 Well, they are now, but I still get to gloat over Trump people.

03:20:31.000 But if Trump would have won, I'm probably saving more on my taxes than the average Trump voter earns.

03:20:35.000 So it's a win-win for me.

03:20:36.000 I mean, like, if you want to keep voting in a guy that's not going to help you and is going to give more money to people like me, I'm okay with that.

03:20:40.000 At the end of the day, none of this lockdown stuff hurts anybody in my position.

03:20:43.000 Of course not.

03:20:43.000 Online content creators, we are, like, perfectly positioned to get richer off of this conflict.

03:20:48.000 But when I vote, I try to keep in mind, like, the general well-being of the population.

03:20:52.000 That's what they're saying.

03:20:52.000 What do you mean?

03:20:53.000 Like I said, I feel the exact same way.

03:20:55.000 I think Joe Biden's going to be bad for everybody.

03:20:57.000 Oh, sure.

03:20:57.000 Well, I'm just saying this guy was trying to make an argument that I'm better off under the lockdown.

03:21:01.000 Of course I am.

03:21:01.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

03:21:03.000 I think there should be more stimulus, though.

03:21:04.000 A single $1,200 check is a joke.

03:21:06.000 Totally, I agree.

03:21:08.000 I don't like the idea of endless stimulus, though.

03:21:10.000 I think... I don't either, sure.

03:21:12.000 I think if we did the lockdown, then we gotta protect the vulnerable and open it back up.

03:21:16.000 Unemployment insurance is endless stimulus.

03:21:19.000 Well, no, those usually count on a certain amount.

03:21:20.000 I think they extended unemployment under the... Yeah, Obama extended it a long time ago, but that's... There's no money.

03:21:27.000 It's not a lot of money.

03:21:28.000 But there will always be people receiving it.

03:21:31.000 Yeah, sure, but we're talking about like... He's talking about paying every citizen not to work for extended periods of time, which is a little bit farther than unemployment insurance.

03:21:37.000 I think we gotta take a middle road approach, I suppose.

03:21:41.000 We did the lockdowns, we tried it.

03:21:42.000 Okay, now we do.

03:21:43.000 Now we slowly reopen.

03:21:44.000 We take social distancing measures, we wear a mask, we protect the vulnerable, and we get the economy back in high gear.

03:21:50.000 Yeah, we'll see.

03:21:51.000 Hopefully that vaccine hurries up.

03:21:53.000 The mortality rate's 99.9% for people, or survival rate, I'm sorry.

03:21:59.000 The survival rate for people under 70 is like 99.9% for above.

03:22:02.000 It's really high, yeah.

03:22:04.000 Complications by the people that go to the ICU, that's the thing.

03:22:06.000 This has always been the scare.

03:22:07.000 To be clear, every young person can be infected, and we're probably not going to die.

03:22:12.000 The scary part is just that of the 5% or 10% of people that are infected that need to go to the ICU, if those beds run out, then your death rate will skyrocket.

03:22:20.000 It's the comorbidities that concern me.

03:22:22.000 Well, it's comorbidities that basically are the rickety bridge, and then COVID breaks it.

03:22:27.000 Obesity.

03:22:28.000 Is this just inevitable anyway from the obesity epidemic?

03:22:32.000 Well, I would say partly.

03:22:32.000 I mean, comorbidities are bad, but if anything, that's even more of a reason to be safe about things, right?

03:22:36.000 Like, we have comorbidities in this country that are gonna make you more active.

03:22:39.000 There's gotta be a compromise where at a certain point we say, okay, we did the lockdowns, now we gotta get back to work.

03:22:44.000 Yeah, of course.

03:22:44.000 Because starvation and poverty.

03:22:46.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:22:47.000 Or we could do more stimulus.

03:22:49.000 Stoli Clark says, on your show you've had self-made entrepreneurs, dignified family men.

03:22:53.000 Then there's this guy.

03:22:54.000 This is why the majority of people know there's about to be a civil war. 0.99

03:22:57.000 This guy is an embarrassment. 0.72

03:22:58.000 We all need to get ready for a fight day by day. 0.97

03:23:00.000 That's where it's going.

03:23:01.000 You're an entrepreneur, right?

03:23:04.000 If I wasn't the first, I was in the first group of people to quit their job and do online streaming full-time.

03:23:10.000 If I wasn't the first one, I was in the group of the first people.

03:23:12.000 I was going to say something before when you mentioned that my audience was mostly conservative.

03:23:16.000 I think the biggest bracket is actually like libertarian types.

03:23:19.000 Instead of that kind of conservative.

03:23:20.000 There's probably an overlap, but I think... Do you know about the Jonathan Haidt's research in Moral Foundations?

03:23:26.000 No, what about it?

03:23:27.000 So there's, originally there were five, now they say there's six.

03:23:31.000 They added liberty because they found libertarians have one moral foundation, liberty.

03:23:35.000 But it's, I'm probably going to miss them, there's, you know, what is it?

03:23:39.000 Care, fairness, sanctity, authority, and what is it?

03:23:44.000 Loyalty?

03:23:44.000 I think so, yeah.

03:23:45.000 And liberty, I think.

03:23:46.000 Something like that.

03:23:48.000 And liberals operate on two, care and fairness.

03:23:50.000 They don't really register with the other four.

03:23:53.000 And libertarians operate solely on liberty.

03:23:56.000 So there's a big difference between... Libertarians and conservatives probably overlap on certain issues, but that's the big difference.

03:24:03.000 I did an event, we did a survey and we found that the biggest share was probably moderate libertarian types.

03:24:10.000 A lot of Trump supporters though, like 30% or so, but then the bigger was outside of that.

03:24:16.000 Let's see.

03:24:17.000 Andrew Bishop says, I'm in Australia and I know that people were kicked out and not let into some PA's voting stations to observe.

03:24:26.000 Did he say he's in Australia?

03:24:27.000 Yeah.

03:24:27.000 Okay.

03:24:28.000 Known this since the election.

03:24:30.000 Wow.

03:24:31.000 Enter.

03:24:31.000 That's horrible.

03:24:34.000 Buffalo Bill says, how about the PA court changing voter law, not the legislature?

03:24:39.000 Well, oh, that was the Supreme Court ruling on, uh, what was that, on the deadlines or whatever?

03:24:44.000 I don't... Yeah, I think that was the one case that they won, right, where they said that, like, this, you didn't have the authority to do this, if that's what he's referring to.

03:24:50.000 I don't remember the specific case, but I know there was one where somebody tried to change a deadline that they didn't have the authority to do.

03:24:54.000 It wasn't over whether they should or shouldn't, but it was they didn't have the authority to do that particular thing.

03:24:58.000 Tommy Allen says, has he read the Great Reset Plan?

03:25:01.000 It's awful.

03:25:01.000 You'd have to be uneducated to think it's good, lockdowns aside.

03:25:04.000 Did you read the Great Reset at all?

03:25:06.000 What is the Great Reset Plan?

03:25:07.000 Is it just the idea of making stuff more, like, green-friendly and everything?

03:25:11.000 It probably would have been more fair if we actually pulled up and read through a lot of it, but it's very much like... It's like a ten-point plan.

03:25:18.000 The problem that I have with a lot of grandiose stuff like that is that you can phrase a lot of that to sound good, but these could be very different depending on how you implement them.

03:25:29.000 So if somebody, for instance, says we have a plan to make buildings more energy efficient, one way to do that could be federal funds that reinforce or change the structure of buildings such that they're more energy efficient, or it could be a $7,000 tax on every thing you can say.

03:25:43.000 There's, like, way different ways.

03:25:44.000 It could be mass conscription, you know?

03:25:46.000 Yeah, sure, yeah.

03:25:46.000 To have the National Guard do it.

03:25:47.000 The only reason why I don't usually like, like, vague, broad plans of, like, this is how we're gonna go green.

03:25:52.000 And it's like, okay, well, show me, like, what you actually want to do.

03:25:54.000 Like, I don't care what your mission statement is.

03:25:55.000 I like Andrew Yang because of that.

03:25:56.000 He was very transparent with his... Well, because he had one thing.

03:25:59.000 It was $1,000 a month, right?

03:26:01.000 Didn't he have, like, a huge government plan?

03:26:03.000 I know that he talked a lot about, like, automation and stuff, but the one point that he hammered home all the time was the UBI stuff.

03:26:07.000 Yeah, he got pigeonholed by the UBI.

03:26:09.000 We have a super chat.

03:26:09.000 They say that you push Mongo.

03:26:10.000 Is that true?

03:26:11.000 Mongo?

03:26:12.000 Mongo.

03:26:13.000 Do you push Mongo?

03:26:13.000 That's very offensive.

03:26:14.000 Mango?

03:26:15.000 I'm kidding.

03:26:15.000 It's a skateboard thing.

03:26:16.000 I'm so confused.

03:26:17.000 Someone said, Tim, don't worry, this guy pushes Mongo.

03:26:20.000 What is Mongo?

03:26:21.000 So, in skateboarding, Mongo is when you take your front foot off the board and push instead of your back foot off the board.

03:26:27.000 Goofy.

03:26:28.000 Backwards.

03:26:28.000 No, it's not goofy.

03:26:29.000 It's called Mongo. 1.00

03:26:30.000 What the fuck? 0.99

03:26:31.000 Yeah, so, uh, Goofy is when your right foot is pointed forward. 1.00

03:26:35.000 Regular is when your left foot is forward.

03:26:36.000 Mongo is when, in either position, you take your front foot off, so you essentially have the full end of the ball with no foot on it.

03:26:43.000 It's, like, very improper, and people are making a joke about it.

03:26:46.000 Dude, last night they were all over me.

03:26:48.000 I had to read it because I thought it was funny.

03:26:49.000 Wow, alright.

03:26:50.000 So there's a lot of super chats where they don't like you.

03:26:52.000 I'm not going to read all of them.

03:26:54.000 Read as many as you want.

03:26:54.000 I don't care.

03:26:55.000 It's fine.

03:26:55.000 I just want to get to more substantive points where, you know, people are just saying things like, you know, whatever.

03:27:01.000 Let's see.

03:27:02.000 Courtney Gray says, Destiny, you are not bringing anyone over to your views.

03:27:06.000 Vinegar versus Honey.

03:27:07.000 If you want to change people's minds, then lose the snark and add homonym.

03:27:11.000 I don't think I snarked or ad-homed that much in this conversation.

03:27:14.000 I thought it was okay.

03:27:15.000 I think it's fine.

03:27:16.000 There are definitely ones where I do more, and there are definitely ones where I try to be more compromising.

03:27:19.000 It really just depends on the audience, depends on the setting.

03:27:22.000 With this audience, I notice, I don't want to be too general, but when I start to dump on Trump, if I just start to insult him, people get really angry at the other stuff I say in the conversation.

03:27:31.000 If I don't trash Trump, I've noticed it, a trend.

03:27:35.000 Because a lot of people that watch this show seem to love him.

03:27:38.000 Well, you're looking at the comments.

03:27:40.000 I look at the comments.

03:27:41.000 I'm talking about the text comments.

03:27:42.000 Yep, that's why a lot of the comments are making fun of me quite a bit as well, especially now.

03:27:46.000 Oh, really?

03:27:47.000 Let's see.

03:27:48.000 Dom D says, love the show.

03:27:50.000 Well, like I mentioned on the Trump forum, they're posting memes about me making fun of me, you know what I mean?

03:27:54.000 Because I didn't get on board with the voter fraud stuff, like to a hardcore degree.

03:27:58.000 It was really funny, there's that Transparency Tube thing, there's a tracking of who supports and opposes Trump's view on voter fraud.

03:28:06.000 And they had me listed, for the most part, as supporting his view.

03:28:08.000 And I was like, whoa!

03:28:09.000 I was like, that's not true.

03:28:11.000 And so I told him, like, you guys, did you actually watch my videos?

03:28:14.000 And then they changed them to other.

03:28:16.000 Like, neither opposing or supporting.

03:28:17.000 I'm like, there you go.

03:28:18.000 Because I've, I've, I just said, there's evidence.

03:28:22.000 Here's the evidence.

03:28:22.000 Is it proof?

03:28:23.000 No.

03:28:24.000 But we need to investigate.

03:28:25.000 It's not, you know, same position.

03:28:26.000 Let's see, Dom D says, love the show.

03:28:28.000 I know this is a big ask, but I would love to be on your show.

03:28:30.000 It's the most exciting time, terrifying time for our country, and I'd love to hash it out.

03:28:34.000 I message you on Parlor Tim.

03:28:35.000 Please reach out.

03:28:36.000 Also would like to help with future projects.

03:28:38.000 Well, I guess the issue is, we always try to have guests that are, without being rude or anything, just relevant to the certain, like to, you know, to something going on.

03:28:48.000 I think, in your instance, for one, I think people were tweeting you at me, and then I think you tweeted at me or whatever.

03:28:54.000 But also, we literally are going through this election period right now.

03:28:56.000 I thought it'd be good to bring on... We're going to be having a progressive political candidate coming on at some point, so it's going to be a really interesting conversation.

03:29:03.000 This is the kind of stuff that I think is particularly relevant for what's going on right now.

03:29:07.000 In the future, I'll probably have a rock star of some sort on, or, you know, we'll see what happens.

03:29:11.000 Whatever.

03:29:12.000 Walking Tour says, not trusting either Tim Pool or Destiny makes this better.

03:29:16.000 Wish Tim had been better.

03:29:17.000 He could have been the best of our gen, but sold out licking Trump.

03:29:23.000 Yeah, well, you know, there you go.

03:29:24.000 Hot super chats tonight.

03:29:26.000 Spicy.

03:29:27.000 Oh, yeah.

03:29:28.000 My tongue's burning.

03:29:29.000 Bernard Kim says, Tim, Occam's Razor, Destiny, it's complicated.

03:29:33.000 Some people are saying, sorry, Tim, tapping out.

03:29:36.000 Only so much libtardness a man can take in one night.

03:29:40.000 It is exhausting to witness.

03:29:42.000 Libtards? 1.00

03:29:43.000 No, no, no.

03:29:44.000 Like cognitive dissonance.

03:29:45.000 When you see things that oppose your worldview, it actually requires glucose to process it, it seems like.

03:29:50.000 It is healthy and strengthens your mind to listen to conversations like this.

03:29:53.000 That is correct.

03:29:54.000 By all means, please hate both of us.

03:29:56.000 All three of us. 0.97

03:29:56.000 All four of us. 0.97

03:29:57.000 Yeah, me too.

03:29:58.000 Not me.

03:29:58.000 Don't trust.

03:29:58.000 I like that comment.

03:29:59.000 Don't trust anyone here.

03:30:01.000 Listen to it and then do your own research to figure out if it's real or not.

03:30:05.000 That's right.

03:30:05.000 Fact check me.

03:30:06.000 I need it.

03:30:07.000 MW says, Tim, having a conversation doesn't mean bend over and let him run a train on you.

03:30:12.000 Well, uh, if this is what I was saying, like, if you have an opinion and you're like, in my opinion, Trump didn't do a good job, what am I supposed to say?

03:30:18.000 Well, your opinion is wrong.

03:30:20.000 I can't say that you have an opinion.

03:30:21.000 Okay.

03:30:22.000 You know, whatever.

03:30:22.000 Like, what am I going to, you know, if you argue that, like, we were talking about Michael Flynn, for instance.

03:30:28.000 Okay.

03:30:29.000 That's where it's like, well, hold on.

03:30:30.000 Let's talk about the facts.

03:30:31.000 But if you don't like what Trump has done.

03:30:34.000 When I had Vaush on, it was like, by what metric do we gauge Trump's job on the coronavirus?

03:30:38.000 Because it's one president in one country, and this kind of thing didn't happen in the United States at a different time, and countries are all different.

03:30:44.000 So it's either you like Trump and you think he's doing a bad job and here's why, or you like Trump and you think he's doing a good job, here's why, or you hate him and he's doing a bad job, here's why, or there's a middle ground of some sort, whatever.

03:30:54.000 MDLEGO says this conversation is a prime example of why civil strife is inevitable.

03:30:58.000 Neither side will concede even when presented contrary facts are proven wrong.

03:31:02.000 Just deflect onto other and finger point.

03:31:03.000 That's not true.

03:31:05.000 In one instance I said, actually, you're right on that.

03:31:06.000 I should walk that back.

03:31:07.000 On time to be sullivan.

03:31:09.000 And we actually have been very calm in our disagreements.

03:31:11.000 This is an excellent indication of there doesn't have to be any kind of conflict.

03:31:15.000 We're just chatting.

03:31:16.000 Yeah, I know.

03:31:17.000 I find it like friends hanging out, but we just happen to have cameras on, and that's the kind of point.

03:31:23.000 And disparate viewpoints.

03:31:23.000 You know what I mean?

03:31:24.000 That's all, yeah.

03:31:25.000 I think we probably have a couple of, I think of core, like, philosophical disagreements over how to run things, which probably is where a lot of our larger... So, for instance, when you say you vote for yourself and not for other people, that would probably be, like, a core philosophical agreement we'd have to hash out to truly, like... It's actually more nuanced than just to say it like that.

03:31:39.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

03:31:39.000 Because the foreign policy stuff clearly isn't for me.

03:31:41.000 Sure, of course.

03:31:42.000 But what I mean to say is, like, I can't vote based on what other people are thinking.

03:31:45.000 I don't know.

03:31:45.000 I can't vote for someone else, yeah.

03:31:47.000 Yeah, when I see a policy, I only know how it makes me feel and what I think.

03:31:51.000 Sure.

03:31:51.000 And when it affects other people, I take issue with it.

03:31:53.000 Sure.

03:31:53.000 The healthcare stuff is, like, grandiose and confusing in a lot of ways.

03:31:57.000 Yeah, I understand.

03:31:58.000 Dropping bombs on foreign countries, I think, is kind of easier to understand, you know? 0.99

03:32:01.000 Sure.

03:32:01.000 I used to be, like, full universal healthcare, and then I started thinking maybe we should only cover, like, Acute health, but not chronic health, because I feel like people are poisoning themselves with food, and then they go to the hospital, and I got, why would I pay for someone else's poor dietary choices?

03:32:17.000 But then there's things like type 1 diabetes, where like, genetic disorders that are chronic.

03:32:22.000 So maybe certain types of chronic... It's unfortunately with healthcare, I say unfortunately, it'd be nice if there was like a merit-based way of covering certain people, but you kind of have to just do it all, because it's really hard.

03:32:30.000 Even with like type 2 diabetes, some people are prone to it, some people aren't, with the same exact diet and lifestyle, like...

03:32:35.000 I got we got a super chat.

03:32:36.000 I think we definitely got to read it says tribe and clan says great to hear destiny making excuses for violent rioters because orange man said something disagree with no humanity with this guy Trump derangement at its finest.

03:32:46.000 I thought that was interesting because you got booted from the partner program on Twitch for defending.

03:32:51.000 I've taken heat from both ends of this.

03:32:53.000 So my stance is so incredibly clear on this and I repeat it one more time.

03:32:57.000 If you want to riot, I support your ability to riot to the ends of the earth.

03:33:00.000 If it's against public institutions, rioting against private individuals, that's just larceny and burglary and theft and vandalism.

03:33:07.000 I don't ever, ever, ever support that.

03:33:08.000 One million percent.

03:33:10.000 But people on the right tell me that I'm pro-rioting against everybody.

03:33:14.000 People on the left tell me I'm pro-hit squads destroying... I don't know.

03:33:18.000 That's an interesting position.

03:33:20.000 I think it's super easy.

03:33:21.000 I've always had the same position on self-defense.

03:33:23.000 If you want to defend your property, that is your right.

03:33:24.000 Like, it's one of the most important things.

03:33:26.000 It's one of the most fundamental things is property rights and the ability to defend the stuff that you own.

03:33:29.000 You train hours of your life.

03:33:31.000 You trade hours of your life to acquire this stuff.

03:33:32.000 You can defend that.

03:33:33.000 But, you know, if you want to go riding, it's like a police station.

03:33:35.000 These are public institutions funded by public money.

03:33:37.000 They represent the government.

03:33:39.000 It's a way more powerful message than just, like, blowing up a car dealership.

03:33:42.000 I don't like the rioting.

03:33:43.000 I think protest, whatever.

03:33:45.000 The problem I have is just, like, violence against other people.

03:33:47.000 Yeah.

03:33:48.000 It's a challenge, though, because at a certain point, like, when I had Vaush on, he mentioned, is political violence ever acceptable?

03:33:54.000 Like, what about the Jews rising up against the Nazis?

03:33:56.000 I'm like, for sure.

03:33:57.000 I get it.

03:33:57.000 You know what I mean?

03:33:58.000 Like, yes, there is a point at which you have to fight back and defend yourself.

03:34:01.000 There's also, though, we also have to acknowledge that political violence has to be a last option, or near the last, because otherwise you get into very weird areas very quickly.

03:34:12.000 Could I be violent against Republicans for immigration policy if you are somebody that's impacted?

03:34:15.000 There's a lot of stuff, and I think you can justify some of these, but it gets really weird if you start saying everyone should act on it, because then we're basically all killing each other all the time for everything.

03:34:24.000 Mitch Stew says, everyone drink when Destiny says he's the Commander-in-Chief.

03:34:28.000 A deflection from Trump being one man facing American bureaucracy.

03:34:31.000 That one man is the head of our military, aka the Commander-in-Chief, so... I'll drink to that.

03:34:35.000 Check it out.

03:34:36.000 Happy Little Tree says, as a fan of Tim Pool and of Destiny since the Root days, this might have been one of the best podcasts in a while.

03:34:42.000 Thanks Baldi for doing this.

03:34:44.000 Cool.

03:34:44.000 Gotta make sure I read the positive ones.

03:34:47.000 Starcraft 2 team I was on.

03:34:48.000 Oh, wow.

03:34:49.000 What's your race?

03:34:51.000 Uh, I'd say like half Cuban, half European.

03:34:53.000 No, no, no.

03:34:54.000 Your Starcraft race.

03:34:56.000 Oh, you're a zerg. 1.00

03:34:57.000 Vanessa Stoller says, I want this elite shill to go to Flint and tell them that trade agreements are good for them. 0.99

03:35:02.000 Tell them their poverty is good so other countries can come out of poverty.

03:35:05.000 Uh, what does it say?

03:35:07.000 First, uh, one CE.

03:35:09.000 He said this.

03:35:10.000 It was obvious.

03:35:10.000 Well, once he said this, it was obvious.

03:35:11.000 He is a CNN shill.

03:35:13.000 Okay.

03:35:13.000 I mean, like, you can say the same.

03:35:14.000 I want you to go to other countries, like in Southeast Asia, that have been, like, gaining so much economic power because of the liberalization of trade between them and other countries and tell their global poor that, like, you guys don't matter.

03:35:23.000 You shouldn't have access to this stuff.

03:35:24.000 Like, go away.

03:35:24.000 Like, we're not going to trade with you anymore.

03:35:25.000 Like, suffer in your own country.

03:35:26.000 I mean, like, you can play that all day.

03:35:28.000 It's a nationalist versus internationalist view. 0.96

03:35:30.000 It's a dumb versus an actual economic point of view. 0.57

03:35:32.000 The reality is, is that Trade agreements increase wealth for everybody broadly, but some people are negatively impacted, and those people have not been taken care of. 0.96

03:35:42.000 That's the problem.

03:35:43.000 If we do trade agreements, we should do them, but we need to take care of the people that get negatively impacted by them.

03:35:46.000 We don't do a good job of doing that.

03:35:48.000 Slagle Customs says, the very beginning of COVID-19, Trump held a live interview with every single governor in the United States and discussed what they needed and who to contact, both in private and public sector, and took suggestions to improve.

03:36:00.000 He actually did get praise from Cuomo and Newsom, and one other Democrat, I think, too.

03:36:04.000 I can't remember which one.

03:36:05.000 Maybe Murphy.

03:36:06.000 They said that he was doing a great job in helping them out, and it was tremendous.

03:36:08.000 Yeah, in regards to some specific things, I believe Cuomo was specifically talking about getting equipment from the federal government in terms of PPE and, like, ventilators and stuff.

03:36:15.000 I think he did say, like, yeah, this was good that they were able to...

03:36:18.000 Uh, supplies for that.

03:36:18.000 Jeremy Landry says, Destiny, I disagree with a lot.

03:36:21.000 I disagree with a lot of what you said tonight, but thank you so much for coming onto the show and exposing me to your arguments.

03:36:25.000 Yes, indeed.

03:36:26.000 That's what it's all about, man.

03:36:27.000 Expose myself any way you want me to.

03:36:29.000 Yes!

03:36:29.000 No, don't say that.

03:36:31.000 FinalYKaiser says, I love Ian.

03:36:34.000 He's the best.

03:36:35.000 Even if I disagree sometimes, he's a solid, genuine dude.

03:36:37.000 Yeah, that's great. 1.00

03:36:38.000 Gotta read the positive ones, too, because they're constantly like, you all suck! 0.99

03:36:41.000 Because it's like brainwashing. 0.99

03:36:43.000 Pep everybody up there.

03:36:45.000 Yeah, man.

03:36:46.000 Thanks, dude.

03:36:47.000 Neon Noir says, Tim Pool, don't you dare skip this.

03:36:49.000 Destiny, you are a beta male.

03:36:51.000 Good one.

03:36:52.000 I had to read it.

03:36:52.000 He told me I had to.

03:36:54.000 He says you have to.

03:36:55.000 I mean, you can't.

03:36:55.000 Yeah.

03:36:58.000 Lilaren says, nice to see Destiny on your show, Tim.

03:37:00.000 Best two worst shows on YouTube are America First, Steve Franson, TimCast, Destiny, Steven Crowder, David Pakman, Vosh, Shapiro, TYT.

03:37:08.000 Oh, best to worst.

03:37:09.000 TYT at the bottom of the list.

03:37:11.000 Wait, where was I on that list?

03:37:12.000 You're actually right next to me.

03:37:14.000 In third or fourth?

03:37:15.000 Fourth, and I'm in third.

03:37:16.000 Behind somebody whose first place was Nick Fuentes' show?

03:37:18.000 Uh-huh, yeah.

03:37:19.000 So it shows you.

03:37:20.000 Wow, but that person holds you in decent esteem, you know?

03:37:24.000 That's great.

03:37:25.000 Look at that mix.

03:37:25.000 I like that.

03:37:26.000 America first and Shapiro.

03:37:27.000 Alright, let's see.

03:37:31.000 What a broad media consumption.

03:37:33.000 You kind of look like Seamus Coghlan.

03:37:35.000 Do you know he does Freedom Tunes?

03:37:36.000 I don't know, not really.

03:37:37.000 You kind of look like Seamus.

03:37:39.000 Tommy Allen says, you want a USSF officer to come on and chat about anything, not against the UCMJ, especially conspiracies.

03:37:46.000 I'd wreck Ian.

03:37:47.000 Wait, wait, tell me that again.

03:37:48.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, what?

03:37:49.000 The gauntlet's been thrown.

03:37:51.000 A USSF officer to come on and chat about anything, not against the UCMJ.

03:37:55.000 I don't know these things.

03:37:56.000 I wish I knew what those letters stand for.

03:37:58.000 Google it.

03:37:59.000 He'll look it up.

03:38:00.000 Alright.

03:38:01.000 Alright, we'll take one more.

03:38:02.000 And then it's like 11.40, so we really went long.

03:38:05.000 Irishman says, if there was no government intervention in healthcare, it would be cheap and easy like McDonald's.

03:38:10.000 Because it was the cheapest and best in the world in the 1950s before insurance.

03:38:14.000 Insurance is the problem.

03:38:15.000 Jesus Christ, educate yourselves.

03:38:17.000 Think.

03:38:18.000 I brought that up.

03:38:19.000 That was the argument from the right.

03:38:20.000 So here's something from a computer programmer perspective, okay?

03:38:23.000 From somebody that's absolutely not a programmer, okay?

03:38:25.000 Anytime you go to make a new project, the number one question you always ask yourself, and anybody, and I know there are a lot of programmers out there, the first thing you ask is, has this been done before?

03:38:32.000 Because you do not reinvent the wheel on anything.

03:38:34.000 Business owners will do this.

03:38:35.000 Anybody that's starting any kind of business, what you do is you find out, okay, well, what works?

03:38:38.000 And then, hey, if this works, copy it.

03:38:40.000 Because if I'm going to pay somebody hours to work on something, I'm not going to pay you to do something that somebody else has already done for me.

03:38:44.000 Why would I do that?

03:38:44.000 When it comes to healthcare, every single other OECD country in the world has some form of at least multi-payer system, except for like, I think like Switzerland, or like one other country that doesn't, one really small country, or like Luxembourg or something, I don't know.

03:38:55.000 But like, everybody else does this.

03:38:56.000 It seems to work exceedingly well for most people.

03:38:58.000 If you look at how much money we spend, we spend so much more than everybody else, and we don't have outcomes to show for it.

03:39:03.000 It's horrible.

03:39:04.000 Like, I just, like, we can try to theorize, like, the optimal healthcare system or whatever, but like, why not just copy what everyone else does?

03:39:10.000 We do have better technology, better access, better treatments.

03:39:13.000 The only reason— Technology, yes.

03:39:14.000 Access, no.

03:39:15.000 The reason we don't have universal health care is because the insurance industries are predatory and they're bribing politicians— Ah, it's simplistic.

03:39:21.000 It is simplistic, but it's also Occam's razor.

03:39:23.000 It's so obvious that the resistance that's generated by these people— In Europe, they had people dying in the streets after World War II and had no choice.

03:39:30.000 In the U.S., we've built a complete function of, like, 22% or whatever of our economy around it.

03:39:35.000 But it's, like, $22,000 for an emergency room.

03:39:38.000 I know!

03:39:38.000 It's a huge problem.

03:39:38.000 Very specifically, after World War II, we also tied healthcare to our jobs.

03:39:41.000 And that was a stupid thing. 0.98

03:39:42.000 It was a really, really horrible thing, as well. 1.00

03:39:44.000 Yeah.

03:39:44.000 That's so dumb.

03:39:44.000 I don't know anybody that's had a friend— I had a friend growing up that worked at McDonald's, and he was a slave to them forever, because he was a Type 1 diabetic, and he can't leave because of the pre-existing— What are they— It's like neo-feudalism, essentially.

03:39:54.000 Basically, yeah, because I get my healthcare through them.

03:39:56.000 I can't leave, yeah.

03:39:57.000 You know, and that's why I think EpiPens and insulin, two really good examples of things that should be cheaper, and that's why I think base level coverage I'd be totally down for.

03:40:07.000 There's, man, you know what also comes down to with things like healthcare is it's a massive, massive system with millions of jobs tied into it.

03:40:15.000 Yeah, the NHS in the UK is huge, yeah.

03:40:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:40:17.000 It's not so easy to be like, can we jump this entire system and move it over to, like, a national system?

03:40:23.000 So for me, I usually just sit back and say, like, I can't answer these questions for you, man.

03:40:25.000 That's one of the reasons why I like things like, for instance, like, a Medicare or Medicaid expansion.

03:40:29.000 Because we take something that already works that most people seem to like quite a bit, and then you just open that up to more and more people, or give them the opportunity to join, and then turn that into some form of policy.

03:40:36.000 I don't like the progressives abolishing private healthcare. 0.97

03:40:38.000 No, that's the dumbest thing in the world. 0.97

03:40:40.000 But they lost on that, hard. 0.97

03:40:41.000 They fought for that during the primary season, and they lost hard, even though they're all crying about it on Twitter saying- Because nobody does that.

03:40:48.000 Okay, let me be very, very, very, very, very clear.

03:40:49.000 The health insurance program that Bernie Sanders was suggesting would have been the most extreme healthcare plan in any country in the world.

03:40:57.000 It was not what Europe does.

03:40:58.000 It wasn't what Canada does.

03:41:00.000 It was the barring of private insurance, even from things like dental and medical.

03:41:03.000 Nobody in the world does that.

03:41:05.000 It would have been the most left-leaning plan possible. 0.93

03:41:08.000 Those crazy far leftists, huh? 0.92

03:41:09.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:41:10.000 Anyway, all right. 0.98

03:41:11.000 Crazy Bernie. 0.94

03:41:11.000 He did the big ask so that he could get a little lesson. 0.94

03:41:13.000 Sure he did, sure he did.

03:41:14.000 Yeah, and then he lost the election, so.

03:41:16.000 Maybe.

03:41:17.000 Yeah, good job there. 0.92

03:41:19.000 Destiny, thanks for coming on and hanging out.

03:41:20.000 This has been fun.

03:41:21.000 We always go extra long when there's like more, you know, I guess adversarial elements to an extent.

03:41:27.000 Not like I think we're screaming at each other or anything like that.

03:41:29.000 But thanks for hanging out.

03:41:30.000 Do you want to mention your band's Twitch channel?

03:41:34.000 Yeah, you can follow my channel on twitch.tv slash destiny or imyoutube.com slash destiny.

03:41:40.000 Pretty easy to find.

03:41:40.000 Wow, you have youtube.com slash destiny?

03:41:42.000 Yeah, and I have instagram.com slash destiny.

03:41:44.000 Wow, I'm sure the Destiny video game is probably shaking their fist at you.

03:41:46.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

03:41:47.000 It was easier for them to just call themselves Destiny, the game on everything.

03:41:50.000 Yeah.

03:41:50.000 Every now and then somebody will stumble into the Oh, because I have also the subreddit reddit.com slash our social destiny.

03:41:54.000 Yeah, come in and be like, Hey, I need help getting through like the hunter's crucible.

03:41:57.000 Pretty sure that's how you've had for a while, right?

03:42:00.000 Like nine years or something.

03:42:01.000 So I'm pretty sure that's how I found out about you in the first place.

03:42:03.000 Cause I was playing destiny.

03:42:05.000 And I'm like, what is this guy?

03:42:06.000 I'm trying to figure out how to beat, you know... You want to know a quick, horrible story?

03:42:10.000 On my website, if you go to destiny.gg, you can subscribe directly to me because that's the way the future is.

03:42:14.000 What is it, destiny.gg?

03:42:15.000 Destiny.gg, yes.

03:42:18.000 I woke up one day and I went downstairs and I had like 20 people that messaged me and they were like, dude, you need to help this guy.

03:42:23.000 He's in huge trouble.

03:42:24.000 I was like, what's going on?

03:42:25.000 And I go into my chat and some guy is throwing a temper tantrum.

03:42:27.000 He's got a purple name, meaning he did the max level subscription.

03:42:29.000 It's like $40 a month.

03:42:31.000 And what had happened was this guy came into my chat and he was asking questions, like, how do I get through this, like, dungeon or raid?

03:42:37.000 And everybody in the chat started telling me, if you want official tips from Bungie, you have to do the maximum level subscription.

03:42:41.000 And he did it!

03:42:42.000 And everyone in the chat was making fun of him for it, because this guy just paid, like, 40 bucks or whatever.

03:42:46.000 Yeah, that's a funny quote.

03:42:47.000 That's terrible.

03:42:48.000 Oh, man.

03:42:49.000 Friends, we will be back tomorrow at 8 p.m., and I don't normally announce a guest, but it's going to be Luke again, and we're going to have a good time, just because I know he's here.

03:42:57.000 He's not going anywhere.

03:42:58.000 So make sure to follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler at Timcast.

03:43:02.000 Check out my other channels, YouTube.com slash Timcast and YouTube.com slash Timcast News.

03:43:06.000 We do the show live Monday through Friday at 8pm.

03:43:08.000 We're also on all the different podcast platforms.

03:43:10.000 So check us out on iTunes, Spotify, etc.

03:43:12.000 And don't forget to follow the other people who are in the room.

03:43:14.000 We got Ian.

03:43:14.000 Yes, follow me.

03:43:15.000 Follow me everywhere.

03:43:17.000 That's to the ends of the earth.

03:43:18.000 That's a World of Warcraft 3.

03:43:22.000 Arthas said that to Mal'Ganis.

03:43:23.000 Oh, that's sad.

03:43:24.000 Yeah, you can follow me anywhere and everywhere to the ends of the earth at Ian Crossland.

03:43:27.000 And of course you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.

03:43:29.000 You can if you want to.

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03:43:32.000 And we will be back tomorrow night.

03:43:34.000 Thanks for hanging out, and we will see you all then.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - December 04, 2020

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