In this episode of the notification bell, we talk about the recent Supreme Court ruling in favor of a nationwide lockdown in California, John Kerry's comments on climate change, and the Great Reset. We're joined by Destiny to discuss all of this and much more.
00:01:04.000We just saw the Supreme Court ruling in New York, but it seems like we're still going to be going through this back and forth of those who think we should and those who think we shouldn't.
00:01:11.000But I bring this up because there is something else behind all of this, and it's called the Great Reset.
00:01:16.000The World Economic Forum said that COVID is an opportunity to reset global capitalism so that global stakeholders have a better, you know, I don't know, responsibility towards the planet.
00:01:28.000And the New York Times, the BBC, many outlets said this is a conspiracy theory.
00:01:32.000They call it the Great Reset Conspiracy Theory.
00:01:36.000Well, what they add is that the theory is there is a plan to reset global capitalism, but COVID was a hoax.
00:01:43.000That's not necessarily what the Great Reset is, and so when you Google it, it's really funny.
00:01:46.000You'll see the World Economic Forum saying the Great Reset Opportunity, and then next to it, the New York Times saying it's a conspiracy theory.
00:01:51.000Well, regardless of the conspiracy stuff, I can say fine to the New York Times, but The Hill has recently published an op-ed, John Kerry Reveals Biden's Devotion to Radical Great Reset Movement.
00:02:02.000And we can see in statements made by John Kerry, who's going to be representing the Biden administration in terms of climate change, That they want to take advantage of COVID to move into a kind of lockdown that would help alleviate the problems of climate change.
00:02:17.000Considering what we've already seen, I can only imagine people will lose their minds and things will get really, really bad.
00:02:21.000So we're going to break all this down and talk about this news, as well as some other news pertaining to Kyle Rittenhouse.
00:02:26.000And it works out really well because today we are joined by the one and only Destiny.
00:02:32.000I'll just let you describe yourself, do a quick intro because I don't want to, you know, Yeah, so I do politics and gaming on, which camera looks at me?
00:03:22.000I think you were mentioning, you know, all that stuff because Where you were looking at me as you were saying Biden, Obama 2.0 and all that stuff.
00:03:51.000We are live Monday to Friday at 8 p.m.
00:03:53.000Well, let's just jump to the first story.
00:03:55.000And we'll we'll talk about John Kerry reveals Biden's devotion to radical Great Reset movement from the Hill.
00:04:04.000This to me is really funny because they say the Great Racist Conspiracy Theory, but it's actually what they've been calling it for some time.
00:04:09.000The Hill says, in June, elites at important international institutions such as the World
00:04:15.000Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to reset the global economy.
00:04:21.000The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social
00:04:25.000programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs
00:04:30.000to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.
00:04:33.000Obviously, this is a... I think it's a biased view of what they're saying, but to be fair, the World Economic Forum has pushed a lot of left-wing causes as they've referenced the Great Reset.
00:04:43.000He goes on to say, the two justifications for the proposal, which has been aptly named by its supporters, the Great Reset, are the COVID-19 pandemic, the short-term justification, and the so-called climate crisis caused by global warming, the long-term justification.
00:04:57.000According to the Great Reset supporters, the plan would fundamentally transform much of society, as World Economic Forum head Klaus Schwab wrote back in June, quote, The world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies.
00:05:11.000From education to social contracts and working conditions, every country from the United States to China must participate and every industry from oil and gas to tech must be transformed.
00:05:21.000In short, we need a great reset of capitalism.
00:05:25.000They go on to say, Internationally, the Great Reset has already been backed by influential leaders, activists, academics, and institutions, in addition to the World Economic Forum and the United Nations.
00:05:34.000The Great Reset movement counts among its international... among its... There's a missing word there, I suppose.
00:05:40.000The International Monetary Fund, heads of state, Greenpeace, and CEOs and residents of large corporations and financial institutions such as Microsoft and MasterCard.
00:05:49.000But in America, most policymakers, including President-elect Joe Biden, have been relatively quiet about the Great Reset, leaving many to speculate what a Biden administration would do to support or oppose this radical plan.
00:06:00.000They go on to say that at a panel discussion about the Great Reset hosted by the World Economic Forum in mid-November, former Secretary of State John Kerry, Biden's would-be special presidential envoy for climate, Firmly declared that the Biden administration will support the Great Reset and that the Great Reset, quote, will happen with greater speed and with greater intensity than a lot of people might imagine.
00:06:20.000When asked by panel host Borge Brend whether the World Economic Forum and other Great Reset supporters are expecting too much too soon from the new president, Or is he going to deliver the first day on these topics?
00:06:37.000And yes, the Great Reset will happen, and I think it will happen with greater speed and with greater intensity than a lot of people might imagine.
00:06:44.000In effect, the citizens of the United States have just done a Great Reset.
00:06:47.000We've done a Great Reset, and it was a record level of voting.
00:06:51.000Kerry later argued that the Great Reset is necessary to slow the climate crisis, and that, quote, I know Joe Biden believes it's not enough to just rejoin the Paris Climate Accords for the United States.
00:07:02.000It's not enough for us to just do the minimum of what Paris requires.
00:07:06.000So I'm not going to read literally every, you know, the last bit of this.
00:07:10.000It's clearly an opinion piece, but it's talking about something that's actually happening.
00:07:14.000I'm going to ask you, Destiny, your opinion, because you were mentioning before that you're for them.
00:07:20.000Well, oh, are we going to talk about the Great Reset or are we going to talk about lockdowns?
00:07:22.000Well, we're going to talk about the Great Reset, for sure.
00:07:24.000I mean, unless you want to respond to that first.
00:07:26.000Oh, that all sounded really cool, I guess.
00:07:28.000The idea that we have an opportunity to reorganize things based around, like, some kind of, like, ongoing crisis that might expose, you know, weak parts of our economy or weak parts of, you know, healthcare infrastructure, whatever.
00:07:38.000Like, I think the idea of capitalizing on those types of disasters and moving new programs forward, I think is really good.
00:07:45.000I think it's, like, pretty standard business practice, too.
00:08:17.000But then clearly what their real concern is climate change.
00:08:22.000Just because you take an opportunity to—so I think it was Chicago, I think, was one of the cities that had massive fires that ravaged the city, and they used the opportunity to rebuild a lot of the city's infrastructure.
00:08:31.000I don't think people were ever claiming they set the fires just to rebuild the city.
00:08:35.000I don't think anybody would claim that we want to lock down the country just to further climate change.
00:08:40.000There might be a way to make that argument.
00:08:42.000Or to further climate change agenda, anti-climate change agenda, yeah.
00:08:45.000That might be an argument that one could make in another world where we aren't topping ourselves every single day with record numbers of infections and deaths.
00:08:51.000Like if we were Australia or New Zealand and we were doing lockdowns continually, then maybe like, oh, hold on, there's an agenda here.
00:08:58.000But I mean like we're losing twin towers worth of people every day.
00:09:02.000The idea that this is just a conspiracy to pass climate change agenda stuff seems like a hard sell to me.
00:09:06.000I don't think it's that it's a conspiracy.
00:09:07.000I think it's that they're exploiting a crisis.
00:09:09.000But that's good, shouldn't we do that?
00:10:17.000We're talking, well, I mean, if you want to criticize the Black Lives Matter protests and, you know, the Biden, you know, the big Biden rallies or whatever they just did when Biden won.
00:10:25.000Then yeah, there's no reason for those people to be doing that stuff.
00:10:27.000You know, you can simultaneously criticize them and the anti-lockdown people, too, as well, right?
00:11:12.000Pelosi sent him, like, trillions of dollars of bills that are dying on his desk.
00:11:16.000But we still had Democrats saying it was Pelosi's fault.
00:11:18.000You had Wolf Blitzer criticizing Pelosi.
00:11:19.000So I think it's fair to point the finger at both.
00:11:22.000We're pointing a very short dwarven finger at one, and we're pointing the nose of Pinocchio at the other.
00:11:28.000In terms of people fighting over specifically what is Pelosi pushing for, what is she not pushing for, there can be back and forth over that.
00:11:34.000The fact of the matter is there was some $2.5 trillion bill that was left in McConnell's desk when he moonwalked out of the Senate after they confirmed ACB.
00:11:59.000He was citing Democrats who were calling out Pelosi, and Pelosi didn't want to answer the question.
00:12:03.000So, look, if, like, obviously if you're on the right, the right's gonna say, see, the issue with the HEROES Act was that they wanted, like, you know, they were stuffing things in it that didn't make sense, and the Republicans did the same thing, they wanted money for an FBI building.
00:12:15.000I don't want to go off on the Democrat versus Republican.
00:12:18.000Well, it's important because I don't—obviously, as a huge diehard Biden fan, I'm going to fight viciously back against the idea that both sides messed up.
00:12:26.000The fact of the matter is that if I go into the Senate, they did not give us legislation for any type of coronavirus release, and Pelosi did.
00:12:33.000It's sitting on the floor of the Senate, and it's never going to be called for a vote.
00:12:37.000I want to keep it to the discussion of the lockdown rights, the Great Reset stuff.
00:12:42.000The government is clearly not providing for people, regardless of who's fault it is.
00:12:46.000You can say it's Republicans' fault, then absolutely.
00:12:48.000What is a working class man or woman to do when they're told, specifically in Staten Island, the issue was that this bar wasn't allowed to serve people, but two blocks away, everything was normal.
00:12:58.000They said, this specific zone has been locked down.
00:13:01.000So when the guy said, I have nothing left, I have nothing left to lose, the money that did go out overwhelmingly went to massive corporations.
00:13:08.000The lockdown is overwhelmingly benefitting.
00:13:13.000The money should go to massive corporations, right?
00:13:17.000It should go to the people who can then buy resources.
00:13:18.000It should go to the businesses to make sure they can cover their costs and their taxes.
00:13:21.000Okay, so the PPP loans, I wish I could remember what everybody's saying for it, but the PPP loans were loans given to corporations that allow them to cover up to 2.5 months of employment expenses when they paid employees.
00:13:32.000If they did that, then the loan was going to be forgiven.
00:13:34.000We still haven't gotten the paperwork for what that forgiveness looks like, but that's the point.
00:13:38.000So if I have one corporation that hires 10,000 people and another company that hires 10 people, Well, of course more money's gonna go to the corporations, because there's more payroll to cover, right?
00:13:45.000But it's not, but the corporations aren't... It's a semantic issue.
00:13:48.000It's not semantic, no, it's very important, yeah.
00:13:50.000What I meant was not that a small business with 10 employees was getting money.
00:13:53.000What I meant was, when the lockdown happens, the money ends up in the hands of the ultra-wealthy.
00:13:59.000The stores that are allowed to remain open tend to be the big box stores, and that's why we saw the massive profits, the massive spiking in stock value for these big companies, notably Amazon.
00:14:22.000The way that that works, the way that the paperwork details is that when I get that money, I can claim up to two and a half times the expenses of all of my employees.
00:14:28.000And the only money that's forgiven for me is what I pay out to my employees.
00:14:32.000So for me personally, there were like two people that I kept on payroll just because, oh, well, the government's going to pay for it.
00:15:15.000And he said, they've taken everything.
00:15:17.000The money is going to their friends, it's going to special interests.
00:15:20.000The bailout that came out, people did get a stimulus, and then money did go to small businesses, but if the small businesses are shut down and can't sell things, what happens?
00:15:28.000The restaurant, their perishable goods, gone.
00:15:40.000So, I guess to keep it in context of the Great Reset, talking about exploiting a crisis to make some change is also destroying the lives of people, resulting in spikes in suicide, spikes in crime.
00:15:51.000I don't think we're locking down, though, for the Great Reset.
00:15:54.000I think we're locking down because record numbers of people are getting infected and dying from the coronavirus.
00:15:58.000If we can do something on the backs of that, I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world.
00:16:01.000Maybe part of that Great Reset, and I'm almost positive without knowing the intricacies, I'm pretty sure that part of that Great Reset is probably gonna be more stimulus for small business owners.
00:16:08.000It's gonna be covering healthcare for people.
00:16:10.000It's gonna be more types of checks or disbursements during times of crisis.
00:16:14.000That's probably gonna be baked into that Great Reset as well, because as you accurately pointed out, the relief that we got so far, even the PPP loans were a joke.
00:16:38.000It sounds like probably the Fed is doing what it can to... The Fed's primary job is to reduce inflation and to curb unemployment, which is funny because Trump always takes credit for low black unemployment, even though that's squarely in the job of the Federal Reserve, which has no oversight from the President.
00:16:50.000But the Federal Reserve probably sees that we are spiking unemployment as long as we're not raising in inflation, which we haven't been.
00:16:56.000Their goal would probably be some form of QE, quantitative easing, or super low interest rates, whatever.
00:17:15.000You know, you can—you'll argue that you're correct.
00:17:18.000I think when you look at certain jurisdictions and you look at the World Health Organization saying it's a very, very last resort, it should be avoided, and it can be, and they do it anyway, it sounds to me like, well, they've said it.
00:17:30.000It's their opportunity to enact this policy.
00:17:33.000And they didn't say it was because of COVID-19.
00:17:35.000They said it was because of climate change.
00:17:36.000So, should I disregard the World Health Organization's warning about lockdowns, or just assume?
00:17:43.000I don't know among major countries, because I know there are some small ones, but among every country we're 11th right now in per capita death, and we lead the world in absolute death.
00:17:51.000I don't know what last resort sounds like to you, but that sounds like we're pretty close to last resort there.
00:18:09.000The reason I pointed out the printing of money is that that is absolutely not a solution in any capacity.
00:18:13.000It's a desperate last resort where they're just like money printer go brr, desperately trying to keep the machine churning in some capacity.
00:18:21.000But if people ultimately stop doing things that give the money value, then ultimately we're headed towards some kind of really serious economic collapse.
00:18:31.000I'm not going to disagree with you here, and we talked a little bit about this off air.
00:18:35.000The problem is that right now we have the worst of both worlds, and that we are doing half-assed lockdowns that are locking down just enough to absolutely destroy small businesses and average workers, but we're not locking
00:18:47.000down enough to prevent the spread of the disease. So what we're getting is the disease is
00:18:50.000spreading almost uninhibited, or it almost feels like it's uninhibited. I'm sure it has been to some
00:18:53.000extent. And then we're seeing all these businesses close down. And because we're doing it in such a
00:18:58.000lackadaisical manner, like nothing is actually moving in a positive direction.
00:19:02.000We haven't eliminated the virus in any part of the U.S.
00:19:04.000We're still in, like, that map is in, like, purple spreading in almost every— I think in every single state.
00:19:08.000And then people are suffering severe economic harm as well.
00:19:10.000Right now, whatever we're doing— Like, if you were to ask me, like, well, should we just not lock down anything or whatever?
00:19:15.000If it was between just doing no lockdowns and doing what we're doing now, I might even say, like, okay, yeah, like, whatever.
00:19:24.000The guy at the restaurant that I mentioned in Michigan, he straight-up said, if the government gave me enough money to keep everything moving, I'd happily walk away for two months.
00:19:32.000I think it really just comes down to... If we were going to shut down businesses, we have to support them through the shutdown.
00:19:37.000You can't just expect people to stay home and have... We don't expect American Airlines or Walmart or any other massive corporation to have six months of savings, and these people are doing revenue in the 9, 10, 11 digits.
00:19:48.000Why do you expect, you know, Frank that owns a bar down the street to, you know, like small business owners aren't making tens of millions of dollars a year off of their business.
00:19:55.000You know, these people aren't going to have the savings to get through six months of not operating their business.
00:20:01.000I think you have a lot of people on the right saying, protect the vulnerable, social distance, wear masks, but reopen things.
00:20:08.000And then many on the left, I suppose, you know, in your instance, lock everything down hard, but cover the cost to make sure people make it through this.
00:20:14.000Well, the thing that sucks is it feels like, and this has been, I'm gonna, I so look forward, I want to feel like this argument is never going to come back again, but I know it will under Biden.
00:20:23.000Republicans always cry about deficit spending, but for some reason when they're deficit spending for their pet projects, it seems like it's okay.
00:20:30.000I don't understand why we got trillions of dollars of tax cuts from Trump that he celebrated about, you know, growing the economy, which congratulations every time you don't tax.
00:20:41.000Biggest budget deficits under Trump of all time.
00:20:43.000Some of the biggest budget year-to-year deficits of all time.
00:20:46.000And I think that the thing that leaves people frustrated is it's like, I don't understand why you can't help us.
00:20:51.000Why can't you give us money if you are spending so much on the war machine, which was supposed to go away or on, you know, large businesses, VA tax cuts and everything.
00:21:12.000I think that's an indication of, like, you know, political parties will say one thing, but as soon as they get power, you know what I mean?
00:21:19.000Like, everybody wants free speech when they're in the minority position, and then once they're in the dominant position, they're like, no, no, we gotta clamp things down.
00:21:26.000I mean, a man carrying over $400 million of personally guaranteed debt probably isn't gonna be the best person to responsibly manage a country's budget either, but...
00:21:33.000Yeah, but see, that's a framing thing, you're right there, right?
00:22:05.000To center back, it's frustrating to me and a lot of other people on the left, and I imagine on the right as well, that constantly hear about how we can't just spend all this money on you.
00:22:31.000I think, you know, ultimately what it comes down to with the lockdown debate is I think if we work out all of those issues, what's left is will the two month mass printing of money have a serious detrimental effect on the economy, the savings and the retirements of American people?
00:22:49.000you know, or if we, that's basically it, right? So conservatives would say we can't just print
00:22:54.000money, we can't just do that, we can't just lock everything down and freeze it,
00:22:57.000especially at this point considering it's been a year now when businesses have been destroyed,
00:23:01.000and I guess the leftist position is you can and you have to.
00:23:04.000Um, yeah, I guess it, monetary policy is very complicated.
00:23:09.000I know that there's always the inflation boogeyman that is looming behind every politically expedient argument, but it seems like we haven't seen that massive uninflation yet.
00:23:16.000We've been running historically low federal funds rates for long times now.
00:23:21.000I know that there's at least five libertarians right now in chat screaming that we need to go back to the gold standard and we're printing money and it's better dead.
00:23:27.000Do you see that Trump, I think it was Trump, he tried appointing a woman to the Federal Reserve who wants to put us back on the gold standard?
00:24:01.000We either need to jump into the, we're going to lock down for two months, everybody's getting some kind of handout, or we need to go into like, okay, we're going to severely lax all the lockdown stuff and we're just going to see who dies, but we have to keep people's lives running.
00:24:38.000There was this dude that I know, his son committed suicide.
00:24:41.000He was tweeting about it and said, having a young kid who's locked up, and even with resources, this guy's a wealthy dude, that's just, it destroys their mind.
00:24:51.000Not to mention that, like, I can't imagine, so I'm very lucky, I have a nine-year-old son, because of how they, because he lives in a wealthy school district, because I'm wealthy, they have long-distance learning with iPads and stuff.
00:25:03.000And even for them, even for that technologically very literate school district, I get the emails every day.
00:25:08.000I don't know if other parents have this issue where it's like, hey guys, if you got logged out of the iPads, this is how you get back in.
00:25:13.000It just seems to be such a nightmare for everybody.
00:25:15.000I can't imagine the poorer schools that can't afford that type of technology.
00:25:35.000Well, so that's a good argument why there shouldn't be lockdowns.
00:25:37.000For the sake of mental health and everyone.
00:25:39.000Essentially, or a good argument for why we should have had very strict lockdowns for two months and then maybe started to do, like, much more controlled re-openings like they've done in Australia, New Zealand, or South Korea.
00:25:47.000So then the problem isn't so much a conspiracy as it is two factions fighting and getting a half-assed response instead of one solid response to either.
00:25:54.000The problem is that literally every single thing in the United States is so unbelievably politicized that you can't do anything without somebody looking at you like you have a political agenda behind it.
00:26:03.000And part of the reason is because of stuff like talking about the Great Reset.
00:26:07.000Like, on its face, if you were to say like, If you're ever doing, like, a massive restructuring, do you think you should take that opportunity to optimize, like, part of your workflow?
00:26:15.000Every reasonable person would be like, yeah, probably, yeah.
00:26:17.000But, like, when it's phrased in that, like, do you think that people are pushing for extra coronavirus lockdowns just so they can shove AOC into every person's home, forcing you to get on your knees and worship the Green New Deal?
00:26:28.000I feel like the framing of that is a little bit disingenuous, and it further serves that hardcore, hyper-partisan politicization of American politics.
00:26:34.000The World Economic Forum put out a video that said, in 2030, you will own nothing and you will be happy.
00:26:40.000When you say the World Economic Forum, do you mean one person who works in one subsection that does YouTube videos like it?
00:26:46.000It was published on all social platforms.
00:26:47.000They wrote a big, long article about it.
00:26:49.000And then they later clarified, when there was a backlash, that it wasn't intended to say, this is what we want to happen, but what we think may happen.
00:27:33.000The problem is that I can't argue against a story.
00:27:35.000I can only argue against particular policies.
00:27:37.000So, like, if we are concocting this grand narrative behind the schemes that we're trying to get rid of ownership of everything and blah, blah, blah, and like this, like, well, I mean, like, we have, like, a bunch of discrete facts, and we could connect them in that way if we want to, but I don't know if that's the most appropriate way to do it.
00:27:49.000And even on its face, I could even defend that statement on its face that actually a lot of people are in support of that, that you will own nothing and be happy.
00:27:56.000So as a gamer, something that's been very interesting to me is most people today use things like Steam as a platform.
00:28:02.000You don't own any of the, I don't know if you're familiar with Steam.
00:28:09.000Sure, but the convenience that it provides is, you know, on another level, and that's why people like it.
00:28:13.000Or, you don't own any of your music, you listen to it on Spotify, you listen to it on iTunes, we don't have the vinyls, we don't have the CDs, we don't have any of that anymore.
00:28:19.000So like, now I'm not defending the idea that we should own nothing, okay?
00:28:22.000I'm an ardent capitalist, I like owning things.
00:28:25.000I have all of my music is backed up on FLAC files on my hard drives, and I keep it all, because I like that.
00:28:30.000However, I don't think that these ideas are necessarily as crazy as we make them out to be because we give the least charitable reading of it and then run with the biggest conspiracy behind it instead of like, well, what's a more nuanced approach in the middle for like, what do they probably mean?
00:28:42.000What are the pros and cons and how can we work with this, I guess?
00:28:46.000I think conspiracy implies that it's a secret of some sort.
00:29:29.000When you see the story, and it was basically carried over, I'm using CNBC, people are wondering why then they're pushing for all these lockdowns.
00:29:40.000And so we haven't even done a full lockdown, anyway.
00:29:42.000Well, what do you mean by full lockdown?
00:29:43.000Well, what do they mean by full lockdown?
00:29:46.000I imagine that the WHO probably doesn't mean... When they say, like, full lockdown, I doubt they mean, like, outdoor seating at all hours of the day at most restaurants.
00:29:54.000Yeah, when they say full lockdown, they're probably saying, like, closed.
00:29:56.000Because I've been in California for a couple of years now, and I don't think we've full locked down anything.
00:29:59.000You can go to any restaurants in a couple of years, but over the past few years, like, you can still go out to restaurants if you're just outdoor seating or you're sitting in every other place.
00:30:05.000California says don't leave your home.
00:30:08.000Well, past 10 o'clock. I think just recently they did that.
00:30:11.000I think Newsom said on Monday, I think they just said like no more gatherings of 10 or
00:30:16.000more people. Yeah. But this is the, I think this is the first time California's went this far.
00:30:20.000But even at that, I'm pretty sure restaurants are still open. Like I literally ordered
00:30:23.000Din Tai Fung like the day before we left.
00:30:25.000Like we went to the restaurant and picked it up and there were still people eating out there
00:30:28.000and everything. So it's interesting too. Yeah. Because what's the constitution.
00:30:32.000There's only so much they can do to enforce this stuff.
00:30:34.000You look at Europe, and they had this video go viral of a woman who brought her mom to a mental health facility, and they detained her, tased her, she's screaming, and then naturally people are like, this is messed up.
00:30:45.000I mean, actually, you made it sound like you disagreed with Australia and New Zealand's approach to things, because Australia's been super draconian.
00:30:53.000I just, I wish that we had a more three-dimensional view of what it means to have the right to do something.
00:30:58.000Because the way that, when I grew up, the way that I was taught is that when you get more rights, being an adult is awesome, but there is more responsibility that comes along with that.
00:31:06.000You're never given a right to do something that doesn't carry a greater burden of responsibility behind it.
00:31:18.000Anytime a Republican talks about states' rights, what they're actually talking about is taking rights away from you.
00:31:22.000They want to curb abortion, or they want to restrict access to funding for Planned Parenthood, or they want to make it harder to vote for whatever reason, voter ID, or if you don't agree with that, make it harder, whatever.
00:31:31.000But it feels like when people talk about states' rights, or make it illegal for gay people to get married, they're talking about taking rights away from people, which is interesting.
00:31:39.000Well, now they are, because the Supreme Court said, but I mean, there was that famous, who was the woman that Mike Huckabee supported, who was saying, like, I'm not gonna marry these gay people, even if they would've.
00:31:59.000People are like, states shouldn't have the right to do that, we need to take this back.
00:32:02.000It feels a lot, a lot of the times, like when people talk about states' rights, it feels like they're actually talking about taking rights away from people, which is... It's only a couple of those examples were just security.
00:32:10.000Well, I mean, what is security but the restriction of a right in exchange for—what's the quote?
00:32:15.000Like, somebody that demands security in exchange for their freedom will get and deserve neither or something?
00:32:32.000But it's crazy to me that people will look at illegal immigrants and be like, we need to ship 13 million people out of here because a few people every year get killed by MS-13.
00:32:53.000The issue of illegal immigration has a lot to do with the economy as well.
00:32:56.000Just way more than just—it has to do with the security of our elections, the security of our physical safety, and it has to do with the jobs market.
00:33:06.000So elections, physical safety, and jobs market, the coronavirus is hardcore affecting all of those, right?
00:33:11.000The election and all the mail-in voting.
00:33:15.000And so the conservatives tend to say, we should protect the vulnerable, we should have social distancing, wear masks, and we can keep the economy running, and schools seem to be safe.
00:33:25.000And then the left tends to say, lock it all down, provide stimulus and support.
00:33:30.000So I hear what you're saying early on because we did go
00:34:24.000I understand that we can say that, like, well, some tests were put out and they failed.
00:34:26.000I think that in the United States, regardless of what some people say, I think that this country possesses the greatest technological innovation in the world.
00:34:32.000If we wanted to get tests out, and if the political will was behind it, we would have had that out way earlier.
00:34:36.000Because South Korea had the same first-day reported case as us, and they have, like, I think they have, like, 240 deaths from the coronavirus.
00:35:02.000And when you have New York City having their health experts come down and say, everything's fine, go outside.
00:35:07.000You have people in California, like Nancy Pelosi, doing the same thing.
00:35:11.000There's an argument of who took things more seriously and who didn't, but ultimately what it comes down to is Trump doesn't have... Vaush argued Trump should use constitutional war powers to just assume control and then force things.
00:35:25.000Imagine if Trump would be using executive powers in times of national security to do insane stuff like tariffing China or sending troops down to build the wall.
00:35:46.000If there was ever an argument to exercise these powers, it would probably be in protecting, like, 9-11s where the people are dying every single day in the United States.
00:35:52.000I don't know if, like, terrifying China is the same level of national security.
00:35:58.000Well, Trump putting a tariff on China, people say, for the most part, like, okay, we'll see how that plays out.
00:36:02.000Well, no, a lot of people were very upset because he did this unilaterally, and he exercised executive branch powers to do it under, like, threat of, like, war or whatever, which is a little bit insane.
00:36:10.000So I'm just saying, I don't agree with Vaush's argument, but, like, if you're going to argue in favor of Trump abusing the executive like he has so far, it seems strange to make the argument that he shouldn't do it here.
00:36:20.000I think that saying that we need to go, that the border wall to the south is some, like, horrible national emergency, that he needs to send people down to, like, build part of his wall or whatever, or saying that we need to have a national emergency tariff?
00:36:34.000And then more importantly, back to what you said before, Trump can only do so much.
00:36:37.000Trump actually can do so much, because he is so unbelievably popular in the Republican Party.
00:36:42.000Trump still has, like, a, what, like a 93, 94% approval rating in the Republican Party?
00:36:45.000If Trump went around— Trump goes up even higher.
00:36:47.000Yeah, if Trump went around and told the governors, listen up guys, we're going to close down for a couple months because it's your patriotic duty, blah, blah, blah, you better believe that any Republican governor or anybody that's in any-plus-Trump district is going to be in lockstep behind them because they don't want to lose re-elections.
00:37:00.000In terms of securing the border, that is a power bestowed upon the president.
00:37:04.000If he's going to say that the United States government, we need to protect our borders, we do.
00:37:08.000If he's going to do trade negotiations, it's something Border policy and border legislation, though, that's clearly in the realm of, like, congressional authority.
00:37:15.000This is stuff that should be passed through Congress.
00:37:17.000This went through a series of checks and balances.
00:37:28.000I don't think we would want Biden or Obama to come in and say like, oh, well, I'm going to open all the borders because I think it's good for our national security.
00:37:33.000I personally, I would say like, this feels like something that should probably go through Congress.
00:37:37.000You know, I didn't like DACA under Obama, not because I didn't like the policy, but because it's like, okay, well, we can't get anything done through Congress.
00:37:44.000So now we're going to like kind of broaden our executive powers and write immigration laws.
00:37:48.000And we see how horrible that is because anything that could be done via executive action can be undone via executive action.
00:37:56.000Well, I think, um... So, technically it's true, but... Weren't there parts of DACA that I think were rescinded?
00:38:02.000I don't know if that's still being fought in an ongoing manner, but, um... I know that they basically shut them down on several instances when they tried to, you know... Yeah, I know, it's complicated.
00:38:36.000Um, for every, so one, I think that we will finally, hopefully have some cohesive idea of how we're supposed to deal with the coronavirus as a country from somebody that is not insane when it comes to talking about virus related stuff.
00:38:51.000So no weird stuff about bleacher UV lights, no pushing weird medications like hydroxychloroquine that he didn't take when he was sick.
00:39:17.000This is the craziest thing about the news cycle and how they deal with Trump.
00:39:19.000It was actually TechCrunch and several European outlets that reported a promising study showing hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, you know, with zinc in combination was showing that the severity was reducing.
00:39:31.000They actually replicated this in other studies.
00:39:33.000Trump comes out and just starts repeating it and then all of a sudden the media flipped on it.
00:39:37.000So we even saw lefties write about this saying, it is the weirdest thing, the moment Trump says something about a news report, The media changes the narrative and says it's a bad thing.
00:39:46.000Well, the problem is it's not Trump's job to be saying these things.
00:39:49.000If a random TechCrunch article wants to come out and say, hey, there was some retrospective analysis done on hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics like azithromycin.
00:40:42.000Because it's not Trump's, because Trump is a different person and it's not his job.
00:40:46.000So here's part of the problem when Trump comes out and says it.
00:40:48.000When Trump comes out and says something that hasn't been thoroughly vetted by the medical community, hasn't been recommended by somebody who would be more in line to recommend that, like say somebody like Fauci, right? When Trump comes out and says it, it changes the
00:40:58.000worldwide discourse when it comes to these drugs. So there was a really good article
00:41:02.000published in Nature about some research scientists that complained about how hard it was when they
00:41:05.000were trying to run trials on other drugs, so dexamethasone and rendezivir or other drugs. Nobody
00:41:11.000wants to be in the loser trials. Everybody wants to be in the hydroxychloroquine trial.
00:41:16.000Nobody wants to risk being in a dummy trial for some loser drug when Trump is on TV talking about how he's taking hydroxychloroquine every day.
00:41:39.000Trump is the president of the United States.
00:41:41.000And he gave a speech where he said, we're doing a great job.
00:41:44.000We're seeing some promising studies out of France.
00:41:46.000There's a hydroxychloroquine they're talking about.
00:41:49.000Should he not tell people that we're making developments and there's some promising, you know, medications?
00:41:54.000The problem is that even if I was to grant you that, it stands in stark contrast to the reasons why he gave for never talking about the coronavirus initially.
00:42:03.000Like, he's saying that, like, oh, well, I kept all this stuff secret because I don't want to start a pandemic, but now he's out here talking about all these potential miracle drugs and everything.
00:42:08.000Like, I just, I think that he's very irresponsible.
00:42:12.000Like, I even get nervous talking about, like, certain medications on my stream because I don't want people to run out and take it.
00:42:16.000And I know I have that power, and I'm not the President of the United States.
00:42:22.000And if Trump said that, you know, like, hey, there are drugs out there that might be trying to talk to your doctor, but that's not what he was saying.
00:42:26.000He was talking about, oh, we got hydroxychloroquine, this great new miracle drug, and I think it's going to be the next miracle drug.
00:42:31.000Do you remember what the White House said on school closures?
00:42:35.000And Anderson Cooper, I think, said something to the effect of he just doesn't care about your children at all.
00:42:40.000I think Jennifer Rubin said he wants your kids to die or something like that.
00:42:43.000This was actually what Kayleigh McEnany brought up in a press briefing, mind you.
00:42:46.000So I remember that narrative when Trump and the White House came out and said schools should stay open.
00:42:53.000Well, now we're finding out that even Fauci is saying, yep, but so much later that we've caused irreparable damage to many people's lives and families, and there's been suicides when Trump was actually right the whole time.
00:43:05.000Was that irresponsible when they said that that time?
00:43:08.000People can say the same thing for very different reasons.
00:43:11.000Like, it's very obvious that Trump is pushing to open schools because he's desperate to get back to some level of normalcy for the election.
00:43:18.000Because whether you agree or disagree with Trump, this election, to a large extent, was probably a referendum on how he dealt with the coronavirus and getting people back in schools and getting people working.
00:43:27.000Because a lot of people don't know this.
00:43:29.000Schools can be two very important things for families.
00:43:31.000One, it's how your kid can eat sometimes, depending on how poor you are.
00:43:34.000And two, it lets mom and dad go and work.
00:43:40.000So public schools allows the economy to keep moving.
00:43:43.000Yeah, but the problem is that when you're pushing for things on only a political basis, and it doesn't seem like you're laying out good comprehensive plans for like... So for instance, Fauci and I think it was even on the White House.gov site, have these plans for slowly reopening based on the number of reported cases, daily averages, blah, blah, blah.
00:44:00.000If that was the type of thing that was being said, then I could have been more empathetic.
00:44:14.000The people who like Trump are going to say Trump cares about me and he's fighting for my family.
00:44:17.000The people who don't are going to say he only cares about the economy.
00:44:18.000Why didn't Trump pressure McConnell to release any stimulus if he cares about our families so much?
00:44:23.000Maybe he doesn't think stimulus is the right way to help families and he thought that it would be devastating to the economy to just print money and the best way to do it was to release the lockdowns, which is what Trump said.
00:44:30.000But he thought it wasn't devastating to the economy to just cut taxes for like all the wealthy businesses or to authorize the PPP loans?
00:44:36.000He thought that was good for the economy.
00:44:38.000Like, people think that the heroes have their own story, you know what I mean?
00:44:41.000It's strange that he thought that these were such positive measures, but he couldn't pressure McConnell to release any kind of stimulus to the average American person.
00:44:47.000I think he said that the stimulus will be the vaccine, and we need to reopen because people should be working.
00:44:54.000So it's just... I don't think there's mustache-twirling villainy, I think.
00:45:07.000How do you feel about Fauci saying early on that he was doing the best possible, that no one could do better?
00:45:12.000Every time somebody contradicts Trump, they get immediately fired.
00:45:16.000Look at the, I think it was the cybersecurity head of the DHS that came out and said, well, this election was actually pretty secure, and Trump instantly fired him.
00:45:22.000So it's not surprising to me that Fauci, a man that's been working in government for, what, like 30 or 40 years or something, that he came out and was like, oh yeah, I think Trump is doing a good job.
00:45:30.000He has been defying it, but there's a very careful line you have to skirt.
00:45:33.000If you've ever worked a corporate job and you've got an idiot manager, you know, like, you don't go out and say, like, why are you doing this?
00:45:46.000So you think Fauci lied to the American people to save his own job?
00:45:50.000I think that Fauci was saying things in the most diplomatic manner possible because he wanted to serve the American people, and I get immediately fired by Trump, which he would.
00:45:57.000Saying Trump did the best possible job and no one could do better is a big difference from, we're trying as hard as we can.
00:46:03.000I don't know if he said no one could do better.
00:46:06.000I would be curious what the exact quote is, but even so, I don't think that's very relevant to policy going forward, whether or not Fauci says that Trump did a good or bad job.
00:46:13.000I don't know if it's Fauci's job in government to be second-guessing the president in his past decisions.
00:46:18.000It's Fauci's job to give us the best leadership going forward.
00:46:21.000And I know that there have been times where Fauci, and you just said it, right, has been at ends with the president and him, like, promoting certain drugs, or him talking about certain things, whether the coronavirus, where Fauci says, well, I disagree here, or whatever.
00:46:30.000And even, I'm pretty sure there were a few months where we didn't see Fauci anymore because of his, like, behind the scenes fighting with Trump.
00:46:35.000But yeah, I don't think that just saying, well, Fauci said Trump was doing a good job.
00:46:39.000Like, Trump, the guy that fires literally every single person in government that's not immediately agreeing with him?
00:46:42.000It doesn't surprise me that he was like a little bit careful when he would publicly address Trump.
00:46:45.000So on that note, the cyber security guy that Trump just fired, would it not have been in his best interest to say
00:46:51.000this was the most secure election we've ever had?
00:46:53.000That's literally him saying, I did a good job, don't fire me.
00:46:56.000Um, but it's that type of thing is it's very hard.
00:47:00.000So there's two schools of thought in terms of how to change a system.
00:47:04.000Do you go full renegade and say, this sucks, this is over, fire me, I don't care?
00:47:08.000Or do you kind of suck it up, work from the inside, like, okay, well sure, this sucks, but as long as I keep my mouth shut, I can actually enact change on the inside.
00:47:18.000When the DHS guy came out and said what he said, I think that he probably felt an obligation to the American people to let them know the government doesn't stand behind Trump and his election fraud claims.
00:47:26.000I feel like that doesn't surprise anyone.
00:47:29.000He said, Fauci said, We've never had a threat like this, and the coordinated response has been, there are a number of adjectives to describe it.
00:47:38.000I mean, we're talking about all hands on deck, is that I, as one of many people on the team, I'm not the only person since the beginning that we've recognized what this was.
00:47:45.000I have been devoting almost full time on this, almost all, almost full time.
00:47:50.000I'm down at the White House virtually every day with the task force.
00:47:52.000I'm connected by phone throughout the day and into the night.
00:47:55.000And when I say night, I'm talking 12, 1, 2 in the morning, not just 1.
00:47:59.000So I can't imagine that under any circumstance that anybody could be doing more.
00:48:02.000I mean, obviously we're fighting a formidable enemy.
00:48:04.000This virus, this virus is a serious issue here.
00:48:07.000Take a look at what it's done to China.
00:48:14.000It sounds to me like he's like, who's kind of become the face of this virus, he's like championing, like, yeah, we're doing everything we can in the government, which is kind of what I would expect him to do, is to be like a cheerleader for the government.
00:48:22.000I don't expect him to come out and like, these guys suck, are a coordinated federal response, but nonexistent, Trump is a horrible leader, like, I don't think that would be his job, and it would probably send a bad message to the American people as well, right?
00:48:31.000If, you know, the criticism of Trump is that he was downplaying this early on to avoid a panic and that was a bad thing, then isn't there responsibility on Fauci?
00:48:40.000The problem with... if you want to say that you're downplaying something to avoid panic, that's fine.
00:48:46.000But the problem was is that while he was downplaying it, there weren't steps being taken behind the scenes to prepare us for what was coming.
00:48:52.000It seemed less like downplaying it to avoid a panic and more pretending it didn't exist and hope it didn't come to American shores.
00:48:57.000Because there's a difference between publicly saying, like, OK, guys, listen, I don't think this is going to be a big deal.
00:49:01.000And then behind the scenes, you're like, OK, listen, we need to get testing on board.
00:49:04.000We need to make sure that we have some form of contact tracing.
00:49:06.000We need to, like, communicate with governors, make sure we have some of that.
00:49:18.000Like, I don't think that he was just trying to avoid a panic because there was nothing going on behind the scenes in that gap of the China and European travel ban to show that he was taking it seriously.
00:49:25.000It seemed he just didn't think it was a real thing.
00:49:31.000Um, so one thing was the top-down, um, hopefully some sort of top-down level, um, response we get for related to the coronavirus.
00:49:38.000Um, that respects court rulings and everything.
00:49:40.000I know, I don't know if we've talked about it yet on air, but the Supreme Court did decide that it's a... Briefly mentioned it, yeah.
00:49:44.000Yeah, religious students, which is probably fine.
00:49:46.000I can understand that ruling from the Supreme Court.
00:49:47.000Um, I would hope that churches would individually say like, okay, well maybe we'll, you know, suspend sessions, but I can understand that.
00:49:52.000Um, but some top-down coordinated response from, um, the government related to coronavirus.
00:49:57.000Um, number two, And three, or closely intertwined, is going to be the economy, broadly, and healthcare, broadly.
00:50:05.000I'm very interested to see what sort of economic policies we're going to see from Biden, especially in regards to his strong support of unions, and especially in regards to, I don't personally like the policy, but pushing for a 15-hour minimum wage.
00:50:16.000I'm very curious to see where that ends up.
00:50:30.000Well, so you know what the combination of those three things will get you?
00:50:33.000Corporations facing high wage costs and high taxes will just move their factories and their businesses overseas.
00:50:38.000Well, that's part of what you have baked into any multilateral trade agreement, though, is the idea that... So, nobody talks about this on the right or the left.
00:50:44.000One of the nice things about free trade agreements or multilateral trade agreements is that obviously what you just said can happen, okay?
00:50:51.000If you're gonna make it so that I can export my supply chain to a place like Vietnam, well, I'm just going to make all my stuff over there because I can pay those workers way less.
00:50:58.000However, generally as part of negotiating these free trade agreements, you usually demand some labor standards on the side of other countries in order to bring them onto a more level playing field so that you're not exporting all of those jobs.
00:51:12.000So two really good examples of this is, one, is that the U.S.M.C.A., the United States-Mexico-Canada Free Trade Agreement, so part of this agreement that Trump champions all the time was, I think they demanded an increase in wages for Mexican workers that worked in certain factories to try to dissuade people from exploiting too many jobs over there.
00:51:33.000And then another good example is part of the negotiations for the Trans-Pacific Partnership,
00:51:37.000obviously dead now, but part of those were historic labor reforms in Vietnam that would
00:51:41.000have bolstered a lot of the labor rights in that country.
00:51:44.000And a lot of those just completely went away as a result of the TPP negotiations falling
00:52:06.000There may be those negotiations on labor rights, but the cost is still remarkably cheaper to have our factories all throughout Southeast Asia than here in the United States.
00:52:17.000I mean, this is one of those insanely multifaceted things that I agree with you in practice.
00:52:23.000It becomes a lot easier to spread supply chains throughout the world because it's cheaper in certain areas to manufacture it.
00:52:27.000That's not always a bad thing, but it's also a thing that we could combat if we would have more honest conversations about, like, what is a multilateral free trade agreement supposed to accomplish?
00:52:35.000So, for instance, the Paris Climate Accords.
00:52:37.000So, very common criticism that nobody on the left talks about is that these things seem to give a lot of leeway to developing nations.
00:52:43.000Like, why would I join any type of pollution, you know, restriction thing that's going to let China and India compete uninhibited with now my shackled economy that can't pollute?
00:53:11.000We thought that the trade with China was going to normalize China and make them freer and better, and they went the other direction.
00:53:18.000Well, so, there, this has been something, I've read about this since the 90s, this has always been like the China conspiracy.
00:53:23.000People are always saying, I say conspiracy, people are always saying that like, when China, when the middle class booms, when they increase their trade, like they're going to become more liberal, the people are going to demand political freedoms.
00:53:33.000Doesn't seem to have happened, but I don't think we necessarily need those things to happen.
00:53:36.000I think we can acknowledge that China exists as this kind of like, you know, authoritarian behemoth that is going to do what it's going to do, but the only way that we can accurately deal with that is to partner with other countries in order to enforce the kinds of restrictions that we want on them.
00:54:13.000Okay, I'm gonna suggest, kindly, a third option.
00:54:17.000What if, instead of every single time something bad happens in the world, and we all hide from each other and get scared and locked down, what if we continue to reach out, be the world leader that we used to be in the whole NATO world and everything, where we tell other countries, like, hey, let's all work together on this common idea, and then we pressure China that way?
00:54:32.000Couldn't that be, like, a better way to do things?
00:54:34.000But hasn't that been exactly what they've been trying to do that's not been working?
00:54:37.000Well, I mean, there have been a few key events, especially recently, that have kind of pushed people into a lot more kind of a scary area where they're worried about working people.
00:54:45.000So the 2013 Syrian refugee crisis, for instance, caused a whole wave of governments in Europe to have- Thanks, Obama!
00:55:10.000The existence of ISIS that existed in Syria and gained power in Syria, a lot of that came from the destabilization that started in Iraq, and a lot of that came from Bush that got us into Iraq.
00:55:19.000I'm not saying that Obama is absolved of this.
00:55:21.000I think that Obama could have done a better job foreign policy-wise, but it's hard.
00:55:24.000It's very difficult, and nobody has gotten that right.
00:55:26.000Do you know about the Qatar-Turkey pipeline?
00:55:29.000I believe I've heard of this, but talk to me more about it.
00:55:33.000got involved in Syria well before... Because the idea was to get Syria locked down so that they could run that pipeline from... Yeah, all through... I've heard this from people, yeah.
00:55:43.000In 2009, I think it was... Actually, no, maybe it was... Yeah, 2009.
00:55:47.000The Guardian reported this, that in 2009, U.S.
00:55:49.000intelligence said, we will have a ground incursion in Syria because they have refused to give us access to build the pipeline.
00:55:56.000Saying that they would not go against their ally, Russia.
00:56:00.000What Russia and Syria were then planning on doing was using Iran to tap the same well and run that pipeline into Europe, strengthening the Russian gas monopoly in Europe.
00:56:08.000had a plan for years before we actually ended up on the ground.
00:56:13.000And then funneling weapons to rebel groups eventually built, they eventually came together and we got ISIS.
00:56:21.000That is a story that one could tell, but I don't think that everything that happened in Syria was just a result of the United States wanting to, like, secure an area for that pipeline.
00:56:31.000That might have been, like, a nice side objective that maybe could have come about.
00:56:34.000I know that the United States probably wanted to see Assad gone, and if he was gone, it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted somebody loyal to America or American interest in there.
00:56:41.000And if that did happen... Let me clarify.
00:56:43.000The Guardian reported that in 2009, the U.S.
00:56:58.000And look, that's why, you know, getting into the Biden discussion about war and conflict, bringing up the Syrian refugee crisis was a product of, yes, Bush, totally, and Obama ramped things up.
00:57:11.000In regards to the Syrian stuff, yeah, for sure.
00:57:14.000In regards to... Another reason why I say foreign policy is complicated is like a lot of people are critical about Obama and all of the drone strikes and the killings.
00:57:22.000Was it an American citizen I think we killed in Yemen?
00:57:25.000I think Obama killed four American citizens.
00:57:28.000Yeah, I know there was one that was like super ultra heated.
00:57:32.000Obama signed off on blowing up a civilian restaurant in a country we aren't at war with.
00:57:36.000And when they asked him, why did you sign off on killing a 16-year-old, they said, we were trying to target somebody else, a terrorist leader, oops.
00:57:46.000When people followed up saying, why did you authorize a drone strike on a civilian restaurant in a country you aren't at war with, it's just, womp.
00:58:02.000No, they've actually been going down quite a bit.
00:58:04.000They might have gone down from where they started the administration, but in the four years we've had Trump, in his first four years, he has done more drone strikes and more foreign bombing than either Obama or Bush did.
00:58:11.000You're correct, and hiring Bolton was the stupidest thing the man could have done.
00:58:14.000And we still have troops in Afghanistan, we still have troops in Iraq, we still have troops in Syria.
00:58:21.000Because, did you know that there was a White House, there was a federal official who lied about the amount of troops we had in Syria to trick Trump into keeping them there?
00:58:28.000And that when Trump said he was ordering the troops to withdraw from Afghanistan, both Democrats and Republicans got together and blocked him in Congress.
00:58:35.000Trump fired the Pentagon civilian leadership, and this was reported by the AP, in an effort to get loyalists who would finally pull our troops out of these countries.
00:58:43.000This is one of those things where I wish I knew more information about it, but I completely do not agree that that is even remotely possible.
00:58:50.000You're telling me that the President of the United States that was able to get the Supreme Court to say, well, I can tariff China for national security reasons, couldn't control where we were deploying or withdrawing troops from?
00:58:59.000That sounds unbelievable, especially when he's unilaterally approving strikes on Suleimani and Iraqi airports and stuff.
00:59:04.000I know, it's messed up stuff for sure.
00:59:07.000It wouldn't surprise me if Trump was using this as an excuse, but I mean, even if this was true, like, you've got a guy that says he's a business leader that's supposed to be on top of handling all this stuff who, like, one guy lies to him and now he has no control over his military.
01:00:10.000Usually, there's talk through the same, like, seven affidavits every single time.
01:00:12.000There's legitimate—there's way more affidavits.
01:00:16.000There's way more articulate individuals presenting evidence, and for some reason, the Trump team is not bringing it together.
01:00:21.000Maybe it's not as legitimate as some alternative media suggests it might be?
01:00:25.000No, I think the issue is when you hear Trump do a 46-minute video and he can't actually calmly cite Matt Brainerd and he points to a picture and says, look at that, how does that make sense?
01:00:36.000I'm like, you're not giving me an articulate breakdown of what the issue is.
01:00:41.000all of these federal cases where these are being brought and the judges are actually no over the trump campaign that's three oh maybe the trump campaign personally you can't you can't tell me that some random people filing a lawsuit is reflective of trump you can't tell me that an affidavit alone is like valid evidence that like something horrible's happened it is witness testimony is evidence okay well in that case there's a 13 year old that has an affidavit out there meaning they've signed it on a penalty perjury that trump raped her that was retracted though Sure, but a lot of these affidavits are also under scrutiny as well.
01:01:25.000It was like Johansson or Johnson or something.
01:01:27.000But she came and she gave a lot of the exact same testimony that had already been stricken down in court.
01:01:31.000So for instance, she talked about being in the TFE Voting Center and she was like, the election officials told me not to verify signatures.
01:01:36.000I don't know why they were doing that.
01:01:36.000And when the judge went through it, he was like, well, that's because that wasn't your job.
01:01:53.000The matching of signatures on ballots or whatever, when they're opening and closing.
01:01:57.000Would you agree with the judge who shot down Trump's, this actual Trump lawsuit, saying that so long as an observer is somewhere in the building, it counts as legal observation?
01:02:06.000It probably depends on the precedent set by prior cases.
01:02:30.000Who was on the ground, walking, going throughout Philly as a lawyer, taking, posting in photos and videos.
01:02:34.000People were complaining about being booted, but you gotta understand, a lot of these people aren't on social media, they don't know what to do.
01:02:39.000It's not about just being on social media, because part of the reason why these federal judges are throwing these cases out, so specifically in regards to that Indian lady, um, because on election night, none of these people were actually complaining.
01:02:47.000It wasn't until Giuliani went around soliciting affidavits days later, or weeks later, that people are actually- Asking for- Asking for- We're asking, like, yeah- Are you a witness?
01:03:22.000Matt Brainerd specifically said he gave his information to district attorneys.
01:03:25.000I might not know this, but none of the federal judges that have reviewed these cases apparently know this either, because that is one of the most concerning reasons why these get shot down.
01:03:46.000The court ruled that so long as an observer was somewhere present in the building, whether they were allowed to actually observe is meaningless because the election code doesn't specify distance.
01:03:55.000That is one of the most insane things I've ever heard come out of a person's mouth.
01:03:59.000We know why vote observers exist because we have photos from Bush v. Gore of people staring side by side up at the ballot, arguing over whether or not it was Bush or Gore.
01:04:08.000Wasn't one of the Pennsylvania cases that they won, the small one, wasn't one of the cases they won was when somebody related to the Pennsylvania election stuff said that we were going to allow people to vote up to a certain length in time, or it was something where what they had said wasn't necessarily bad, but the judge came out and said, listen, even though that's not really bad, it's not in the purview of your job to do that.
01:04:43.000So when the law says, as per election code, observers shall be there to observe the vote tabulating process, we know that the spirit of that law, the reason why we have it, is so that you can have scrutineers making sure someone isn't going, Trump!
01:05:27.000This is a totally unrelated thing now.
01:05:30.000There's a bunch of different lawsuits, there's a bunch of different arguments.
01:05:32.000Sure, but now we're talking about, I'm talking very specifically about, we can talk about the Dominion voting system, or more specifically, we're talking about the observer stuff, right?
01:05:40.000If this all was codified in state law, and the law is there, and we've held prior elections, we just had elections two years ago, why didn't nobody challenge it before election night?
01:05:48.000I'll explain it to you, I'll explain it.
01:05:49.000You can't sue on the basis of clarifying what the law really means until you have injury in fact.
01:05:54.000If we pass a law saying you have a right to observe as I count votes, right?
01:05:56.000laws. There are legislations both in the state and federal level that can change these laws.
01:06:00.000You don't need the suit to change anything.
01:06:02.000If we pass a law saying you have a right to observe as I count votes, right?
01:06:06.000Do you reasonably believe you have a right to look at me and the votes?
01:06:09.000Why did anyone think a judge was going to say, nope, nope, it didn't specify that you
01:06:14.000had to actually see the vote so long as you're in the building?
01:06:21.000Trump, for months, because they knew that they were gonna get destroyed on the mail-in ballots, Trump, for months, was calling out the mail-in ballots.
01:06:45.000Because if I was somebody that had a massive vested interest in making sure that these elections weren't going to be rigged, I wouldn't be calling this out after Joe Biden wins.
01:06:53.000It's probably something that you would have brought up beforehand.
01:06:55.000You can't be serious that you think it is reasonable that so long as an observer is somewhere in the building that counts as observing the vote counting process.
01:07:02.000You can't be serious that you think that the only reason that they would challenge this is because, like, well now they've lost the election and now this is the first time they've noticed it.
01:07:08.000These laws have been in place in some ways for decades.
01:07:11.000And in previous elections, people were allowed to actually look at the ballots.
01:07:14.000No one knew that this time that these precincts, specifically in Allegheny County in Pennsylvania, were going to bar observers and they'd have to sue over it.
01:07:23.000They didn't last time, why would they know?
01:07:24.000Okay, I'm going to ask for a big Tim Pool prediction, not taking into context.
01:07:26.000Do you think they're going to win any of these lawsuits in a meaningful way?
01:07:30.000Not like there were four ballots in a mail-in thing or whatever.
01:07:32.000Do you think that they're actually going to win?
01:07:35.000First of all, when a judge says, Did you have observers in the building?
01:07:39.000And the Republican says, the amount of observers in the building was a non-zero number, but we were not given meaningful access to the votes.
01:07:47.000And the judge says, well, according to the election code, it doesn't specify the distance by which you can observe.
01:07:52.000Therefore, you have no grounds to sue.
01:07:59.000If Trump is going to lose, it's going to be for two reasons.
01:08:03.000Many of these judges, and one judge even said this, if you think I will, he said, you can't expect me to rule in such a way that would disenfranchise millions of voters.
01:08:15.000I'm just, I'm bringing up that point specifically.
01:08:17.000There was a very important second part to that.
01:08:18.000And he said, I can't do that with no evidence.
01:08:21.000He said that one would think that if somebody was coming to me to disenfranchise even one vote that they would be coming with a very strong case with lots of evidence, but let alone millions of votes to bring such a shoddy case built on poor legal arguments with no evidence or shoddy evidence?
01:08:45.000Just because a judge said without evidence doesn't mean there's no evidence.
01:08:48.000Not just one judge, but people have gone through so many of these affidavits.
01:08:52.000Are we talking about Trump's lawsuits or random other people?
01:08:55.000I don't know one million percent the distinction between only Trump's lawsuits and all of the other ones that have been brought up so far.
01:08:59.000People have been rooting and cheering for Sidney Powell, and look at what happened with Tucker Carlson when he was like, where's the evidence?
01:09:04.000They ripped him apart, they left Fox News, And now, many Trump supporters are going after Sidney Powell because they're saying she's actually a Democrat trying to undermine the Republican Party.
01:09:14.000Because anybody that's not lockstep with Daddy Trump is immediately castigated.
01:09:17.000No, well, for sure, but people are so adamantly behind Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, it's crazy.
01:09:22.000Like, when I tweeted that it sounds like Sidney Powell's getting her information from conspiracy forums, all people started tweeting me like crazy, and they've been making fun of me like, oh, how dare you?
01:09:34.000Like, that stuff, I keep saying it over and over again, you come out and want to claim that this company was founded in Venezuela, Smartmatic, and then Sequoia, and all this stuff, may be true, that's totally fine, but bro, you need extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims.
01:09:46.000When we're talking about a judge in Pennsylvania, and the lawsuit wasn't about fraud, it's another thing that the left keeps doing.
01:09:52.000Trump has specific lawsuits pertaining to the validity of mail-in voting and absentee voting, deadlines, etc.
01:09:58.000So in these court cases, the judge will ask for a simple clarification.
01:10:03.000They'll take a clip of that and say, aha, this proves it.
01:10:05.000Trump is saying there's no fraud and the lawsuit isn't claiming it.
01:10:08.000Yeah, he didn't sue over fraud because that requires long-standing investigation.
01:10:12.000Well, my understanding was that the confusion then was because some of these judges were trying to figure out what standing they even had then to be there.
01:10:16.000Because initially it felt like, the thing that I feel when I read the differences between what's being reported in these court cases versus what Giuliani comes out and says, is Giuliani sounds like he's alleging some massive widespread election fraud.
01:10:27.000But then when it comes to them talking in front of a judge, it's like the meme with the little dog and then the shredded dog, and the shredded dog is Giuliani in front of the cameras alleging fraud, election conspiracy, and then when he gets in front of a judge, he's like, okay, I'm not saying fraud, but I don't think this lady was allowed to be in an area where she was supposed to be, and it's over the smallest minutiae ever, and they don't even have good evidence for what they're doing.
01:10:44.000I think it's fair to say that the Trump campaign is not delivering in terms of the legal process by which they go after fraud, 100%.
01:10:52.000I also think it's fair to say that the legal strategy over challenging voting systems and ballots is a legal strategy.
01:10:59.000I wish that that strategy, if it's something that they so deeply cared about, I wish that they would have done that prior to the actual elections.
01:11:24.000And also, I'm giving you a lot here because I haven't read the exact verbiage, because I'm willing to bet that when I go back home and actually read through the case, it's going to be more than just, like, they had to be anywhere in the building.
01:11:33.000My guess is going to be that it's probably been consistent with state laws over all prior elections, and it hasn't been a big deal before, but now people are just really mad because of the massive increase in voters for Democrats on the mail-in ballots, and that's why everybody's losing their mind over it.
01:11:46.000Let me ask you, should we have scrutineers?
01:11:48.000People who look at the ballots as they're being counted from both parties or even a third party?
01:11:52.000I don't know how these elections normally run, but that sounds like it would be a good idea.
01:11:56.000Is it okay that this time they didn't do that?
01:12:00.000I don't think in the majority of places that is the case where it wasn't like that.
01:12:02.000No, no, no, no, specifically the Pennsylvania suit.
01:12:04.000Yeah, specifically in some few instances people say they haven't, yeah.
01:12:07.000So you have these videos coming out where people are standing a hundred feet away with binoculars and they're like, I literally can't see anything.
01:12:13.000One of the most important lessons I've learned in my life is to never believe anything I've ever seen in a Twitter video.
01:12:20.000what time one after that was it I don't know if it was one of the somebody else
01:12:23.000that I'd heard just recently say something about like like all of these
01:12:26.000votes are being reported by machine like you don't see people walking or boats
01:12:29.000here we did literally on election night you saw people like delivering votes and
01:12:31.000stuff to County houses and stuff they're bringing from other counties like yeah
01:12:34.000like when it comes to videos I don't trust any of that on the internet
01:12:37.000without like a greater story context around because anybody can take one
01:12:39.000video of any sworn affidavits sure sworn so sworn affidavits in combination with
01:12:43.000the videos one I believe it is interesting of and and I'm saying we
01:12:48.000can't see we can't actually observe the votes so a big portion of what Julian is
01:12:52.000bringing forward right now in in Michigan and his other places is that
01:12:56.000all of these a lot of these people who are coming forward saying they're not
01:12:59.000allowed to actually observe the vote count So when you have unprecedented rule changes, no excuse mail-in voting, which in the instance of Pennsylvania now, a judge recently issued an opinion citing that it seems very likely the plaintiffs will win on the merits that this is unconstitutional.
01:13:15.000The Supreme Court shut it down on a narrow ruling that it was too late to sue on this, you know, even though they just found out about it.
01:13:35.000Which makes it hard to believe in good faith and even arguments.
01:13:37.000But that's not how the legal system would work.
01:13:40.000Well, according to some of these judges, that's explicitly how the legal— So, for instance, in some of these rulings— No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:13:45.000The judge explicitly will say the fact that she didn't follow any of the chain of command or the fact that this person didn't report any of this on election night is very damaging to their credibility.
01:13:52.000Why would it matter if the lawsuit was now or later when they weren't asking to do anything to this current election?
01:13:58.000The reason why it matters is because if these things are happening and they're only being reported retroactively, it seems like it's in a response to Biden losing, or to Biden winning rather than to any actual fraud or bad things.
01:14:07.000But if it wouldn't have an impact on the election, then it's irrelevant.
01:14:11.000The lawsuit wasn't asking to do anything to the current election.
01:14:13.000They asked the courts to issue their advice on relief, meaning perhaps in the future we won't do no excuse mail-in voting.
01:14:19.000The Supreme Court said it's too late to sue for this, dismissed with prejudice, meaning these people can't bring these cases up ever again.
01:14:27.000What's interesting is that the lower court ruling was that it would have been detrimental to several of the plaintiffs who actually won their elections.
01:14:34.000Mike Kelly won, and then sued, saying, we didn't realize that the Republicans passed an unconstitutional law.
01:14:41.000And the judge actually issued an opinion, saying, as this would be— They realized the law was passed, but many people didn't know that it was unconstitutional.
01:15:28.000We all thought this was constitutional.
01:15:30.000I'm just asking for maybe the court will advise us.
01:15:32.000Maybe they'll say, hey, this, we need a constitutional amendment.
01:15:35.000So from this point forward, We're gonna say no to this, no excuse mail-in voting moving forward, and then you get a constitutional amendment.
01:15:41.000You know what's really crazy about it?
01:15:43.000When the GOP was passing, the Pennsylvania GOP was passing Act 77, which is no excuse mail-in voting, they actually started the process to amend the Constitution, and halfway through stopped, changed some wording, and then it got passed, signed off on by governor.
01:15:58.000Most people didn't realize what had happened.
01:16:00.000Wait, that doesn't sound like a bad thing on its face at all.
01:16:02.000If you were going to pass something, and then you realized it was going to be unconstitutional, so you go to change the constitution, but then you realize, well, hold on, if we reform some of this bill... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:16:44.000And that's why the judge in the lower court ruled the plaintiffs will likely be successful on the merits, and then the higher court said, we're not ruling on the merits, we don't know, it's just too late.
01:16:56.000Okay, well, sounds like they should have brought it up beforehand then.
01:16:59.000Okay, that'll be interesting when it goes to the Supreme Court.
01:17:01.000So, one of the issues that I have when people keep saying, affidavits, affidavits, affidavits, is that, on the first hand, is it feels like somebody sliding down a mountain, grabbing branches or whatever, as he's going down.
01:17:09.000Like, initially we're grabbing all the mail-in ballots or voter fraud.
01:17:12.000Then we were saying, you know, we've got the Dominion voting machines are made in Venezuela, and then somehow Hugo Chavez is coming back to life today, blah, blah, blah.
01:17:32.000They reported that they were completely insecure and there was a bunch of problems and all this stuff.
01:17:35.000And one of the things specifically that they reported is stuff like a lack of paper trail or no ability to auth these machines, which has been some of the stuff that has been corrected and fixed in almost every single state that allows these machines to function.
01:17:49.000Okay, I'm just hearing Chavez's name a lot recently.
01:17:52.000Because Smartmatic, there's a WikiLeaks release from 2010, this has been on the internet for over a decade, Cablegate, where they say, in 2010, Hugo Chavez was providing resources to a group of individuals in Venezuela who are the principal owners, and if you travel through all these different shell companies, you find it originated in Venezuela.
01:18:12.000That's where that Hugo Chavez comes from.
01:18:14.000I feel like the argument that Hugo Chávez came back to life is an attempt to ignore what's actually being presented.
01:18:20.000Well, I'm attempting to make the people sound insane, because they are, to assume that there's some wider play by some other country.
01:18:29.000I think, well, because for me, because I do a lot of humor, so I think it's funny when people invoke Chávez so much to try to scare people into thinking that some machines are stealing our election.
01:18:36.000But to say, like, this narrative that confuses the actual argument from people... Wait, what is the actual argument?
01:18:43.000The actual argument is that going back, you know, a decade plus, going back 20 years, there was a series of companies that were started with the express purpose of being able to hide through audits that votes were manipulated.
01:18:56.000There is a company, Smartmatic, that was involved in this and has ties to Venezuela as per diplomatic cables that were leaked 10 years ago.
01:19:02.000So we've known about this for a long time.
01:19:03.000Why did the DHS and the Department of Justice- I'm not saying it's true!
01:19:09.000I'm saying the difference- It's crazy!
01:19:11.000There's a difference between what these people are actually arguing and coming out and saying Hugo Chávez returned from the grave.
01:19:15.000So on the level of these Dominion voting machines, if any of this was true, it would be the largest political news story related to elections in the past hundred years.
01:20:13.000They went through some guy's office and they found a ledger that was, like, written on a piece of paper or whatever from Manafort for owing him money and so they didn't report to the State Department and stuff, but go ahead.
01:20:20.000Politico reported that Ukrainian operatives were trying to sabotage Trump, and so they sent documents to a DNC operative.
01:20:28.000And then she, you know, passed it along saying, here, we got some dirt.
01:20:44.000I don't know how that absolves... I didn't say it did.
01:20:47.000I said it's interesting that, you know, we've got Ukraine stepping up, we've got this, you know, political battle, people are trying to go after each other.
01:20:53.000Yeah, I'm sure people are trying to send people dirt about other leaders literally all the time.
01:20:56.000We had Assange and WikiLeaks and they're doing all of that for a long time for their left.
01:21:00.000We also, as a result of all those indictments, found out a lot about how the DNC was penetrated via the speculation stuff by the Guccifer 2.0 hacker and everything.
01:21:08.000We saw a lot of that in the indictments as well.
01:21:10.000Some people should not be... Some people don't know how to use computers.
01:21:14.000And a lot of people with access to really important information, you know.
01:21:18.000But let's not go back to the voter stuff.
01:21:21.000The point is, on the Pennsylvania point that I'm bringing up is...
01:21:25.000We got a serious conundrum in terms of voter observation.
01:21:29.000It is, I think, widely accepted that we should have observers making sure that people aren't falsifying the vote count.
01:21:38.000If the Pennsylvania court just ruled that's not the case, should we change it so that is the case?
01:21:42.000I would have to see on the specific ruling for that argument, because more often than not, when people cite these, usually they're leaving out some key— Sure, sure.
01:21:48.000So I would have to go and read it specifically.
01:21:49.000Let's just say— Personally, I think you should probably have people observing the election.
01:21:53.000I can't think of a reason offhand why you wouldn't.
01:21:59.000The issue would be then, if the judge made this ruling on the grounds the election code doesn't specify distance, I mean, then why wouldn't, say, Trump 2024 just be like, We're cleared.
01:22:52.000Maybe like the way that Antarctica is remotely close to, like, Pluto.
01:22:55.000Do you see the videos of celebrities saying the Electoral College must vote for Hillary Clinton?
01:22:59.000Do you think there's a difference between— Well, I'm sorry, they didn't say that.
01:23:00.000They said— Do you think there's a difference between celebrities saying something and the President of the United States trying to undermine the election?
01:23:05.000That's why I'm saying these aren't remotely similar.
01:23:16.000That's undermining the integrity of our election.
01:23:17.000And then in 2020, he's saying that there was widespread election fraud, that literally no agency, no other credible person has backed up save for the melting head of Giuliani.
01:23:26.000Like, no one else is backing up on this.
01:23:28.000His own DHS turned on him on this with his own appointee.
01:23:31.000His own attorney general, the sword and shield bar, came out and said that as of right now there is no evidence of widespread election fraud.
01:23:39.000Wait, wait, there's more to that quote.
01:23:49.000He also said that they looked into the Dominion machines, and based on their analysis of it, they didn't see any evidence also that those machines were filming votes.
01:23:54.000I think the Dominion stuff is over the top.
01:23:56.000Look, you got Brian Kemp and... Brian Kemp?
01:24:06.000I don't think there's a grand conspiracy where members of, like, the Trump-supporting Republican Georgians are like, aha, now's our chance.
01:24:20.000When you're tweeting stuff— I just straight-up agreed and said it was nuts.
01:24:22.000Sure, I know, but a lot of the—it feels like a lot of your rhetoric gives a lot of credence or credibility to a lot of the lawsuits that challenge, you know, like, how the election is being—like, I—like, the fact that you're willing to say that you think that the elect—do you—do you think that the election—the majority of the election was legit?
01:24:57.000I don't know what voting machines they hacked, but hacking one machine or hacking a series of machines is a lot different than the step-by-step process that goes through tabulating results, reporting the differences.
01:25:06.000But they all go in the machine, right?
01:25:08.000Sure, but there's also paper trails behind all of these votes as well.
01:25:11.000And they didn't, did they do a hard signature audit?
01:25:17.000Yeah, their risk assessment audits and everything.
01:25:18.000But there is a paper trail behind every single thing.
01:25:20.000But now the problem is saying, well, for some of the ballots that were taken to the mail-in things, they've been separated from the things that they can't verify or whatever.
01:25:54.000I took a day off because I was like, everything's crazy.
01:25:57.000The simple solution is Trump got Ocean's 11th.
01:26:02.000The cheating, as I would frame it, is the mass changing of rules well before the election, using COVID as a pretext, when Act 77 was even passed in October.
01:26:12.000The Democrats did everything in their power within the system to give themselves advantages.
01:26:17.000They were going door to door, they were doing Democracy in the Park, they were doing illegal,
01:26:20.000Democracy in the Park was illegal. The vote raffles that we just saw emerge, all these videos
01:26:25.000through all these different swing states, was also illegal.
01:26:37.000But I will say there was one person so far charged with 135 counts related to basically getting infirm people to vote and signing off documents for them.
01:26:46.000There's currently a case going to the, I think the district attorney in Pennsylvania, where they found several thousand ballots all filled out in the same handwriting for Joe Biden in the names of elderly people in various nursing homes.
01:27:06.000So I'm not gonna, I do not agree with Trump when he says, I lost due to a rigged election and widespread fraud.
01:27:11.000I say, well, there's evidence of fraud to the scale that would have generated a flipping of the election.
01:27:17.000I would say, no, there was impropriety that would have changed the outcome of the election.
01:27:22.000But what we're talking about with that, with Trump's lawsuit in Pennsylvania is disqualifying 682,000 votes.
01:27:27.000Because they weren't observed as they were counted and as Giuliani said Mickey Mouse could have filled them out
01:27:31.000That is not fraud that is them saying we should disqualify these votes in an attempt to win because they weren't
01:27:37.000allowed to observe them Sure, I think it's a problem that people weren't allowed to
01:27:39.000observe them properly I don't know that disenfranchising the state is the
01:27:43.000appropriate, you know path forward. That's mostly a gribble Sure, I would say for life pro tip for people in the future
01:27:48.000anybody either playing video games with friends or trying to run a country
01:27:51.000If you have severe problems with the way that rules are it's usually good to try to change the rules before you lose
01:27:56.000Otherwise, everybody's going to look at you sideways wondering if you actually care about the rules or if you're just trying to get them changed to change the outcome.
01:28:00.000But they're not trying to change the rules.
01:28:02.000Well, in terms of specifying the distance or in terms of having observers in a certain area or whatever, it sounds like they want to refine these rules to some extent.
01:28:09.000I think that hasn't gone to the Supreme Court yet.
01:28:11.000However, there's a Trump-supporting lawyer, a friend of mine, his name is Will Chamberlain, he said it's not going there.
01:28:17.000The Supreme Court, he said it was on appeal.
01:28:21.000So you saw that court case where the Trump appointee was like, get out of here.
01:28:24.000They appealed it, and that case was them appealing just to have the right to amend the argument in the first place, and they said, get out of here.
01:28:32.000Well, if this is the same one that I'm thinking, the reason why they told them to get out of there is because I think that this was a Giuliani, this was a Trump case, right?
01:28:47.000I wish I could remember exactly what this was, but I know that I watched... Might be thinking about different cases.
01:28:50.000There was one, because there was a legal analysis video of one of these that Giuliani got thrown out of court because they had moved different lawyers on and off of this case so much, and then they pushed back and they tried to amend the case so many times that eventually the lawyer was like, hey, listen, this is a joke.
01:29:49.000However, it feels more like they probably left because they saw the case was meritless, rather than just like, oh, we got death threats, so we decided to walk away.
01:30:01.000If we get the Lincoln Project, a bunch of news stories were published saying, you know, Republican PAC, you know, anti-Trump Republican PAC, publishes private information, Twitter forced the tweet down, and then within a couple days the lawyers put in an official request to leave the case, our only chain of events is this.
01:30:16.000So I think it's, the simple solution is, they were threatened and harassed to the point where they said, we don't want to be involved anymore.
01:30:22.000Sure, I guess it's just surprising to me that a lawyer would say, I can't believe my information went public on one of the most public lawsuits being filed in the world right now.
01:30:28.000That's very strange to me, but it's possible.
01:30:49.000But... So anyway... Did you watch the Project Veritas guy that they originally had that was going to... that had signed the affidavit saying he was told to backdate stuff or whatever that O'Keefe was talking?
01:31:02.000So one of my worries for the affidavits, that and then watching, reading through some of the judge testimonies, a lot of these affidavits are people, they're being truthful, they're signing what they believe to be true, but the problem is their observations are just not bad like they think they are.
01:31:50.000I'm not, I don't think that he's that malicious.
01:31:52.000I think he probably heard a word or two and then maybe extrapolated and then his mind probably ran with it after that is what it seemed like based on that like two hour interrogation.
01:32:00.000A guy hearing something and then being like, I can't believe it happened.
01:32:03.000And then telling someone is probably more accurate than a federal agent coming in and saying, sit down.
01:32:11.000And he says, what did he, what did he say?
01:33:27.000The guy spent half the discussion—like, remember, like, the guy being interrogated was like, oh yeah, I wanted to go to criminal justice, I went to school for it, and I think I was like, Oh yeah, you know, like, that's so cool, like, yeah, you're probably smart, you know, all of this.
01:33:38.000Like, seeing the police tactics, the investigator was playing good cop one million percent the entire time.
01:33:44.000It doesn't mean he's not pressuring the guy and playing upon putting memories in his head.
01:33:47.000He even said, we want to pressure you so that you can make memories.
01:33:52.000And you remember when he said that, right?
01:33:54.000He said, we want you to, you know, when we pressure you this way, then you can form memories.
01:34:00.000I'm pretty sure exactly what he said was that when we pressure you, you're more likely to remember what actually happened, is what he said.
01:34:06.000That under some pressure, the truth will come out, or whatever it was.
01:34:08.000Ultimately, I think the argument's kind of pointless on this one guy.
01:34:10.000Sure, well, it is just this one guy, but I've noticed a pattern for a lot of these affidavits, that what'll happen is, is that somebody will file an affidavit saying like, oh yeah, I saw election fraud, and then when it comes time to like, well, what did you see?
01:34:20.000And it's like, well, I was in this room, and I think I saw a thing, and like, the actual claim It's actually way less than the super-extrapolated thing that ends up on the affidavit, is what it feels like to me.
01:34:31.000I don't think the affidavits go particularly far.
01:34:46.000Yeah, he's a data... Oh, God, I might have... If he was in front of Michigan, where he tried to explain... No, he wasn't allowed to testify in Michigan, I think.
01:34:53.000Oh, okay, then that was a different data science.
01:36:18.000The FBI just reached out to Brainerd requesting, this was reported in a few outlets, he mentioned it, we'll see if anything comes of it, but this is one of the reasons why there was a big backlash between people on the right and what Barr had said, and why Barr then clarified the next day we are actively investigating and we'll take
01:36:36.000any credible report you know or whatever so Matt Brainerd is probably the best evidence but again it's
01:36:44.000not definitive proof that there was an outcome you know changing that come to the election
01:36:49.000I'm not saying that you know maybe maybe the FBI did review his data and they said well these 20,000
01:36:54.000are 50-50 Trump or Biden so it wouldn't have changed anything.
01:36:58.000The problem, too, is that like, and again, I hate that I'm not familiar with this specific thing, but I know in front of Michigan, they would testify that like, oh, well, here's evidence of voter fraud as well.
01:37:05.000There were 120% of the people, yeah, or not voter turnout, but like of the registered voter or whatever here.
01:37:11.000Like they would use these right right right now, but the reality of what it happened was well
01:37:15.000You know some people move the voter registration updated or some people here, but like this is an evidence of voter
01:37:20.000fraud It's just evidence that there needed to be an update in
01:37:22.000like the registry one of the biggest problems in Trump's argument and a lot of conservatives bring this up
01:37:28.000is when they're like You'll see a tweet where they say there's seven thousand
01:37:32.000eight hundred thirty six dead people on the voter registration in this place
01:37:35.000Mm-hmm, and it's like yes because they died and And they haven't been purged or removed from the registration.
01:37:44.000Without proving that they voted, you need to, yeah.
01:37:46.000You- if you have proof they voted, then all of a sudden we're like, whoa.
01:37:49.000And there have been some instances, but I think, uh, in one instance- I think there were a couple where, like, somebody sent in a mail-in ballot and then died before the election.
01:37:55.000I think I read some of these in, like, Louisiana or something.
01:37:57.000I- I misread something and tweeted, like, whoa, dead people voted, and then I went back and I was like, ah, they voted, and then died.
01:38:23.000The reality is there's evidence, there's crazy evidence, but it's not been proven.
01:38:27.000And I don't think it will be, to be completely honest.
01:38:30.000I don't think, and a lot of conservatives agree with this, that you have an apparatus that could even investigate on this scale 150 million votes to figure out who did or didn't.
01:38:42.000The Matt Brainard stuff, the Voter Integrity Project, is probably the scariest stuff we have so far.
01:39:18.000I'd like to see an investigation and some prosecutions, or at the very least investigations.
01:39:25.000Maybe there's no prosecutions because we don't know where it leads to, but if you've got people changing their addresses and then voting... If this database thing on the National Change of Address Database from Brainerd is correct, and he has 20,000 people in Georgia who changed their address but voted in two different locations, either they voted twice or someone voted in their name, we gotta investigate that.
01:40:34.000I mean, I guess it depends on what they believe the merits of the case are.
01:40:36.000It's so ridiculous that all this is doing is just tearing the country asunder because they're constantly challenging every single little part of the election process.
01:41:52.000I'm just saying, if I can go through all that, I got no problem saying either we let the investigations happen and maybe we find something, maybe we don't.
01:42:01.000But so long as people feel that in good faith we are taking their complaint seriously, we can prevent destabilization of what is already an extremely hyper-polarized country.
01:42:10.000You must understand on the other end though, There's a little bit of frustration with what feels like endless investigations into nothing related to things like Hillary Clinton or Benghazi.
01:42:19.000These things, how many hours of court hearings, how many months did we get drips about Hillary's emails, buttery emails, over and over and over and over again.
01:42:29.000I'm gonna disagree because I honestly think that if you want every single American to be rightfully enfranchised, if they have the right to vote, then you, more than anyone else, you and all of the Democrats should 100% want every possible investigation because we want this to be true, free, full, and fair for every legal citizen in the U.S.
01:42:54.000Man, the way that all of this is played out, it really does, even the verbiage they use, it's never, when Giuliani's talking, it's never like, I want to ensure that this is a free and fair election, I want to ensure that every vote is counted.
01:43:03.000It's like, we think we can find enough votes here to change the outcome of this state.
01:43:06.000They straight up asked Sidney Powell, one of the, in relief in the Kracken lawsuit was, declare Trump the winner.
01:43:13.000Yeah like they're literally asking explicitly like this is supposed to be the part they're not supposed to say out loud you're supposed to keep that quiet you're trying to but like so I'm not saying that like I hope the uh investigations are blocked if they have merit but um I mean it would I would understand why some people would feel a bit salty that investigations get dragged out forever but I, uh, I know a lot of people who are salty about the Russiagate elections, you know?
01:43:33.000And I think that as a, you know, with compromise comes one side rolling their eyes while the other side shakes their fist, and it's better than- I mean, Flynn was communicating with people in an unauthorized manner before he went to the White House?
01:44:33.000He didn't know he was under investigation, there was no legitimate investigation, and he was asked a passive question by someone who had nothing to do with him.
01:44:39.000Didn't the State Department both have a huge interest in Flynn because of his association with Kislyak?
01:44:47.000I thought that was a big part that both of them had an issue with, that the State Department didn't want him in the White House because they weren't sure if he was compromise all bomb a state department and then the fbi obama's
01:44:56.000didn't mind if he was not just because the fbi wanted to follow him up for
01:45:01.000you're talking politics not legitimate claims against michael flynn
01:45:04.000okay you're talking about michael flynn who came out and this week a conversation
01:45:08.000with the other day with lucrete caskey
01:45:10.000michael flynn came out and basically talked about what the obama
01:45:12.000administration and doing with supplying weapons to rebels
01:45:15.000Obama got mad, fires him, tells Trump not to hire this guy, so Trump says, I'm gonna hire him.
01:45:20.000Then, they started having, they had these meetings.
01:45:23.000This was released in, I think it was the Durham program, I'm not entirely sure.
01:45:26.000The notes that got released show that there was a meeting between like Sally Yates, James Comey, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, all having this big meeting in which afterwards Sally Yates writes an email to herself explaining what happened.
01:45:37.000What did she explain what happened in that meeting?
01:45:39.000She went through grueling detail about how Obama ordered them to make sure everything was on the up-and-up and done by the book, in terms of an investigation of Michael Flynn, to some degree.
01:45:49.000People try to claim that in that meeting that, I think they assert, either Obama or Biden, I think, asserted that he brought up the Logan Act or whatever.
01:46:15.000Nobody came out and said that like, oh yeah, like Biden was, you know, this was brought up, the Logan Act was brought up on his behalf or whatever.
01:46:19.000I don't think anybody's ever talked about it.
01:46:20.000Did you know that notes released by the FBI asked, what should we do?
01:46:28.000Why would the FBI be trying to get a guy fired?
01:46:30.000I think the problem is that, and this is something that gets misconstrued a lot, Trump himself, or maybe it was Barr himself, misconstrued a State Department person's words in terms of, what is our goal is to get him fired or prosecute?
01:46:39.000Because there was a huge conflict of interest between the FBI and the State Department over what to do with Flynn.
01:46:44.000And this is where a lot of the fighting between these two agents came from.
01:46:46.000The State Department did not want Flynn associated with the White House at all.
01:46:49.000They wanted him out because they didn't know he was compromised on it.
01:46:51.000The FBI didn't care if he stayed there.
01:46:53.000I shouldn't say didn't care, but they weren't as concerned with that because they thought that they could follow Flynn further up on an investigation.
01:46:58.000So there was a huge conflict of interest there where we don't know.
01:47:14.000I don't know exactly what the full details were.
01:47:15.000Well, that seems really important there because if his son committed a crime, it seems like that would be a pretty important part of...
01:47:20.000Threatening... Look, you're getting somebody on a process crime because in an informal meeting where he was not being investigated, he said he didn't talk to Kislyak.
01:47:29.000Don't you think that's crazy that you could be standing by a FBI agent and he could be like, you ever talk to a Russian ambassador and you go, no, you lied, haha, I got you.
01:47:36.000That an incoming national security advisor would lie to a member working for the Federal Bureau of Investigation about contact with a foreign agent?
01:48:02.000You're at an informal meeting at the White House.
01:48:03.000People are asking me, the incoming National Security Advisor, about my communication with foreign... I probably would say, hey, listen, you know what?
01:48:08.000I don't think I'm going to talk to you about that.
01:48:24.000Isn't that strange that when the DOJ said, we want to drop this, Judge Sullivan did nothing for a month?
01:48:29.000My understanding is that the DOJ said that they wanted to drop it under Barr, and that Barr's reasoning for dropping that is because he said that the State Department themselves were arguing over the FBI about how to deal with Flynn.
01:48:41.000and the state department had a person and i believe it was her own words i
01:48:45.000don't remember her name but she came out and she said actually
01:48:47.000bar used my statement because i think the statement had to do with how the
01:48:50.000state part was frustrated with how the fbi was pursuing things but their
01:48:53.000frustration wasn't that flynn was innocent we don't know why
01:48:55.000the fbi is bullying him their frustration was that we don't want you
01:48:57.000to investigate flint we want him removed immediately but the so they were
01:49:00.000I'm just saying that there's a reason why there was conflict there and it wasn't just because Flynn was some innocent passerby and the State Department was trying to exonerate him.
01:49:06.000because it was compromised but the FBI was the president.
01:49:09.000Trump was the president-elect, he became president. It's his right as the duly elected
01:49:14.000president to appoint as an acting national security advisor whose job is to communicate with
01:49:19.000his counterpart in other countries. And I understand that. I'm just saying that
01:49:21.000there's a reason why there was conflict there and it wasn't just because Flynn was some
01:49:25.000innocent passerby and the State Department was trying to exonerate him. So when Barr comes
01:49:28.000out and he cites that particular statement, it's like, oh well, yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure.
01:49:30.000But that's irrelevant to the question at hand.
01:49:32.000In an informal meeting where Flynn was not with his lawyer or under, you know, formal
01:49:38.000investigation, they asked him if he talked to Kislyak and he passively said no and that
01:50:15.000When they come out and say unnamed individual claims, I'm like, sorry, I'm just, I got very little room for these companies just to make these claims unless I know who the person is.
01:50:26.000You know, especially after the fact, like, we've seen many, many people just, they hate the president to the point where they'll say whatever you have to say.
01:50:33.000And there are certainly people who love the president to the point where they'll say whatever you have to say.
01:50:37.000I want hard evidence when it comes to fraud.
01:50:39.000I want hard evidence when it comes to the accusations against Trump.
01:50:42.000When I look at the Michael Flynn scenario, it looks like Barack Obama didn't like Flynn because Flynn was not good to Barack Obama.
01:51:56.000So, look, I think, you know, whether you like Flynn or whatever, when it comes to the DOJ saying, we're going to drop it, and a judge started prosecuting?
01:52:25.000More, more broadly speaking, why do you think that in a federal government where Trump has exerted quite a bit of control, where he's got a lot of his own appointees, like, why does he still run into so many problems with so many of these agencies?
01:52:36.000He does not know how to work the system.
01:52:38.000He does not know how government works.
01:52:39.000don't seem to be taking his side on anything.
01:52:41.000He does not know how to work the system.
01:52:43.000He does not know how government works and he can't make it work.
01:52:46.000I think, you know, with people like Trump who are business people, when you run a business,
01:52:52.000for the most part, you're an authoritarian.
01:52:53.000Your business, your rules, you're the boss.
01:52:55.000You can fire and hire within certain confines and certain laws.
01:52:57.000Why is it that... So, when you say that, I feel that 100%.
01:53:01.000But another important thing about being a business owner, whether you are a supervisor, a manager, a district manager, whatever, or the owner, you never, ever, ever, ever, ever can pass the buck.
01:54:42.000I don't know what Cramer has to do with it.
01:54:44.000From Trump economic policy, it doesn't really seem like he's done much in terms of being an effective leader, in terms of passing awesome legislation.
01:54:54.000Dude, the first two years under Trump, Republicans were a complete and total failure.
01:54:59.000I think the Republican Party is mostly garbage.
01:55:01.000Sure, but again, one of the chief things that we elected Trump for was him talking about how he can bring people together and get them to work on things.
01:55:07.000Seems like he's been more divisive than ever.
01:55:09.000First couple of years for Trump, completely awful.
01:55:12.000Trump divisive, he's been quite a bit.
01:55:14.000The last few years, mostly in the past year, there's been a couple things.
01:55:18.000Because I said in January, I will never vote for this man.
01:55:21.000Then the riots happened, and when the riots got close to my family and I saw what the Democrats were doing, it really made Trump look good by comparison in a lot of ways.
01:55:30.000So you're a single-issue voter because riots happened?
01:55:35.000Actually, I've literally said that, for sure.
01:55:37.000So I've got family who are incapable of defending themselves, and when the riots broke out in Chicago and the leadership—it was insane.
01:55:47.000I mean, one alderman was talking to the mayor, Lori Lightfoot, Do you think it's possible that under different federal leadership, maybe the riots would have looked a little different?
01:55:53.000at her and screaming. And I get calls from my friends and family saying, you know, 60
01:55:59.000miles west of Chicago the rioters were showing up and nothing was being done about it.
01:56:02.000Do you think it's possible that under different federal leadership maybe the riots would have
01:56:07.000looked a little different? Or do you think they would have played out the exact same
01:56:09.000way? Instead of a president that was constantly deriding the movement and constantly...
01:57:38.000Trump had the DHS deputize state and local police in Portland and started arresting the rioters and giving them federal charges to the point where they started running.
01:57:47.000They started posting blogs saying, Like, get out of your houses because the FBI is coming to give you charge comparable to the charges that were just dropped at the state level.
01:57:54.000When Obama was in charge and the riots were happening, he said, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.
01:57:59.000And then for the next four years, because I covered this, I was in Ferguson for a year and a half, back and forth, flying in and out, as the riots progressively got worse.
01:58:06.000And it was then when Darren Wilson got acquitted, I watched the whole street of West Florissant go up in flames.
01:58:12.000With Trump, we had COVID lockdown, which was implemented for the most part by Democrat governors, and Trump opposed it for the most part.
01:58:44.000It was, you know, in the last several months, Trump, like, trying to pull troops out of Afghanistan.
01:58:49.000Clapping I'm like do it do it bring it on and then the serious stuff to finding about finding about how they lied
01:58:55.000I got the defense one article outgoing Syria envoy admits hiding u.s.
01:58:58.000Troop numbers to trick the American people into keeping soldiers in the Middle East
01:59:01.000I was like I didn't need to trick them Trump wanted to do it the entire time as well
01:59:05.000He's talked about running Syrian oil fields like you know Trump initially tried to pull all our troops out and then
01:59:10.000there was a revolt between the Democrats and Republicans saying you can't do this
01:59:13.000So then Trump, in hilarious fashion, whether it's good or bad, said, all right, we're going to keep a couple hundred soldiers in here to guard the oil fields.
01:59:20.000And then all the anti-war progressives just like started laughing and facepalming, like this dude just blurts out what the American empire is doing when he brags about selling weapons to Saudi Arabia for their war with Yemen.
01:59:32.000It's like this dude is admitting the war machine exists, and it was Sure, but there's also the same guy that talks about killing terrorists and their families and everything too.
02:00:19.000I'm very curious on how the commander-in-chief just... Unless he... It's possible because he's too stupid to read the intelligence reports.
02:00:30.000Do you think it's because maybe they couldn't fit it in in like the Crayola crayon pictures?
02:00:34.000No, he straight up said, quote, We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there.
02:00:41.000Jeffrey said in an interview, the actual number of troops in northeast Syria is a lot more than the roughly 200 troops Trump initially agreed to leave in 2019.
02:00:48.000They lied to the American people to keep us involved in these quagmires in the Middle East when Trump was trying to end it.
02:00:55.000Trump's administration has also been involved in lying to the American people.
02:00:59.000For instance, when he made it harder to report the number of bombings that have gone on, when he's obscured... I don't think we've gotten a report of the troops on the ground released since February, I think, that they stopped publishing those monthly reports.
02:01:09.000Like, they've made it harder to get information out of the administration related to bombing.
02:01:12.000Just this idea... I mean, like, this may be a particular thing that happened in Syria, but the idea that Trump is some peaceful guy that just wants to get us out of all the wars... I don't think he's a peaceful guy.
02:01:45.000And when we're still making these multi, you know, massive figure deals to Saudi Arabia for bombs, when we're still involved in stuff in Yemen, I think that people, like, would still be, yeah.
02:01:53.000I just, I don't see anybody that, like, I'm not gonna sit here and defend Obama's record on foreign policy, because I think there were definitely mistakes made.
02:02:00.000Probably one of the worst we've ever had in a presidency.
02:02:03.000However, this idea that somebody could be like, I don't like Warhawks, so I'm voting for Trump on his foreign policy, is just, that's crazy to me.
02:02:09.000Like, how many wars- Pulling our troops out of the Middle East?
02:02:19.000Except— Like, he almost supported a coup in Venezuela, I think, when he kept trying to recognize—or not Venezuela, I'm sorry, in Bolivia, when he kept trying to recognize— Democrats did that, too.
02:02:48.000So we have a risk that everything that Biden has said on foreign policy might be a lie, which is possible, but we know that Trump is going to continue the same disastrous foreign policy that has been a staple of American foreign policy for the last 20 years.
02:03:47.000And Trump has also been constantly battling the media as well, saying he's going to open up libel lawsuits, he's going to start threatening them with suing them if they publish mean things about them.
02:04:03.000It's very important to what I do as a content creator.
02:04:04.000It established the malice standard, I believe, or the actual malice standard for defamation.
02:04:10.000It is one of the most important protections of a public figure in the United States.
02:04:14.000It allows the media to say whatever they want about you.
02:04:18.000It prevents a chilling effect from being created on the media where they can't publish an article about somebody because if something comes out and it turns out that that's incorrect, then they could be sued for it.
02:04:29.000Times v. Sullivan, it was the actual malice standard, meaning you had to know.
02:04:33.000You have to knowingly publish false information about somebody.
02:04:36.000The reason why that standard is so important is because right now, let's say that it comes out that, let's say that somebody's doing an investigation on it, and it turns out they think that I've killed like three or four people, they've got a decent amount of evidence, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:04:47.000Let's say that they publish that, and it turns out that I'd ordered somebody else to do it, or it wasn't exactly like that.
02:04:51.000Well, now I can sue them for defamation.
02:04:53.000But what happens then to media organizations then?
02:04:56.000Well, now I never want to report on a public figure, because if I'm wrong, I'm gonna get sued for it.
02:05:02.000So right now, you have—look at Covington, right?
02:05:05.000The arguments for why Nicholas Sandman—they were allowed to defame him and be wrong was because he was an involuntary public figure, which gave them the Times v. Sullivan standard.
02:05:16.000In fact, a lot of the cases, the right will tell you, a celebration, these $250 million lawsuits were settled, they won.
02:05:22.000They won probably, as some people said, a nuisance fee, maybe a little bit more, meaning it was cheaper to just pay them out and not deal with it.
02:05:37.000I think I should walk back what I said because I probably was wrong in that initial statement because The assumption is, in good faith.
02:05:44.000If I read a news article from Defense One that says, Jim Jeffery did X, and I then report that, I shouldn't be able to be sued for that if it turns out Defense One was incorrect.
02:05:55.000What we're seeing now is like, Today Show published outright lies about me, and masked it with framing device language.
02:06:03.000And what am I supposed to do to go up against NBCUniversal when they put my face on the Today Show and claimed I was pushing conspiracy theories, which was just total BS.
02:06:14.000I don't know specifically which conspiracy theories that they claimed.
02:06:17.000They claimed that because I reported on the Fox Business article about Seth Rich, I was pushing a conspiracy theory that Seth Rich leaked documents to WikiLeaks, which then got picked up by other outlets who claimed I was claiming that Seth Rich was murdered because he leaked.
02:06:32.000So they just all start lying and playing this game of telephone.
02:06:34.000I can't do anything to stop 50,000 websites all writing garbage.
02:07:02.000It's hard, because the problem is that, so the reason why that actual malice standard exists is to avoid what's called a chilling effect.
02:07:08.000And the idea is that people are going to stop publishing things about powerful public figures if they feel like they can just get sued for publishing something that they don't like to read right now, right?
02:07:16.000So if I want to sue you for defamation, I need to be able to prove that you knowingly, which is almost an impossible Which is the problem.
02:08:12.000We don't want to get called out for what we do.
02:08:14.000I guess it's just interesting to me because on any story that I read that's like more than a week old, you'll usually always see that they are updating articles or they are clarifying information.
02:08:21.000Did you know that stealth edits are so frequent that an MIT project was born called News Diffs to track how often news articles from every major publication surreptitiously change the content of their articles?
02:08:33.000But is it supposed to... When news... The New York Times issues a statement, right?
02:08:38.000And they say, Betsy Kitty is, you know, a white cat.
02:08:42.000And then it turns out she's actually both white and black.
02:08:44.000They would say, correction, update, editor's note, a previous version of this article said X. They don't do that 99% of the time.
02:08:52.000It's called stealth editing, and a website was created called NewsDiffs to show you everything they've done.
02:08:57.000And there are some seriously messed up things you can track.
02:09:01.000Where news outlets publish overt lies, the story goes viral, and then a day later, completely change the article, destroying all the evidence that ever existed.
02:09:10.000I'd be very interested in seeing articles like that, I guess.
02:09:12.000I just can't think of anything offhand.
02:09:14.000I can give you a specific example where Dave Weigel of the Washington Post published a completely fictitious story about Kim.com hacking Seth Rich's Gmail account to plant evidence that he was the leaker.
02:09:25.000And then, when he got... I'll just put it this way, to be very careful of litigation.
02:09:30.000Six months later, the entire story was changed to become hypothetical.
02:09:34.000Does it write in the article that they, did they reflect it accurately in the text saying that like we- They never said they updated it.
02:09:40.000I'll look into it after, I just don't- And it's up on, it's something I've cited over and over again from NewsDiffs.
02:09:47.000NewsDiffs.org, let me see if I can- I'd have to find a specific article, but this was a really, really big story I tracked for two years, and actually got two retractions from Politico and the Daily Beast.
02:09:58.000I tracked them down, and I got two journalists at each of those outlets to retract their versions of that story, because the Washington Post fabricated the whole thing.
02:11:30.000Boston Globe wrote that this one guy was a white nationalist.
02:11:35.000And when I reached out to him and said, whoa, whoa, I didn't realize this dude was a white nationalist, I was like, is there something he specifically said?
02:11:42.000Because this guy's only ever talked about, like, Trump and America and stuff, and he said, he's a nationalist, right?
02:12:55.000There was a video that went viral from one of these progressive news outlets where there was a woman at a Trump rally, and she punched a Trump supporter in the face and then got pepper sprayed.
02:13:04.000They did this clever edit where you see the crowd and you see her yelling and then there's a white flash and then you see her being pepper sprayed.
02:13:10.000They did a white flash to cover up the fact that she punched a guy in the face and then was sprayed in self-defense.
02:13:16.000Which was, I think pepper spray is much more measured than punching someone in the face.
02:13:31.000And when I left, I actually went around to all of these big companies.
02:13:34.000I started working at Vice before they had the Vice News Vertical, like the dedicated YouTube channel.
02:13:40.000And I had to negotiate with them for like six months to actually do it.
02:13:43.000They didn't want to do on the ground field reporting live or anything like that.
02:13:47.000Eventually, they agreed because there were people like Rocco Castoro, who's working with me now, and some other people at Vice who were like, listen to this dude, he's doing amazing stuff with mobile live streaming.
02:13:56.000They agreed, they created this news outlet, and then all of these digital media companies wanted to hire me and were offering me ridiculous money.
02:14:05.000I ended up working for ABC, it was gold.
02:14:56.000They forced the resignation of one of the opinion editors because Tom Cotton wrote that op-ed saying, send in the troops, when it came to the riots.
02:15:11.000Do you think that this problem exists in alternative media, or do you think they're freer from that than mainstream media?
02:15:16.000I think alternative media has similar but slightly different problems.
02:15:20.000The main problem, which does exist in independent channels that are corporations, is the editorial guidelines of, you must report X. So at the New York Times, for instance, they had a mandate, we're going to focus on Trump.
02:15:31.000When it was looking like the Trump term was coming to an end, they said, we're going to shift now to, oh, no, no, I'm sorry, it was Russiagate.
02:15:37.000The New York Times had, um, I'm forgetting the names, Dean Barquet, Barquet or whatever, he said, we're going to focus on Russia.
02:15:43.000Once the Russia gate was coming to an end, he said, okay, now it's going to be Trump is racist.
02:15:46.000That's the main driving force, which means that if you had someone who had evidence to present that was contrary to that, they were being mandated at a top down level, not to report that stuff or not to focus on it at the very least.
02:15:58.000On YouTube, however, you exist, and I exist.
02:16:01.000And there's echo chambers for sure because people like getting their confirmation bias, but imagine going to one website where you can hear you and me at the same time.
02:16:10.000Doesn't exist on Breitbart, doesn't exist on MSNBC.
02:16:14.000Oh, I should say YouTube is way better than the existing media infrastructure for sure.
02:16:18.000I guess the problem that I have with a lot of alternative media, so this would include people like you or me or Project Veritas or any of these other types of like YouTube or online entities, is it feels like there is no accountability if you get something wrong.
02:16:30.000It feels like there is more, regardless of any of the problems that exist in mainstream media, of which I'm sure there are a plethora, it feels like at least there's some accountability where if somebody messes up and it's made public, somebody is going to get fired or something bad is going to happen as a result to it.
02:16:44.000It also feels like a lot of these companies have a much higher vested interest in not reporting something completely factually incorrectly because if they do, they would get in massive trouble for it and it would hurt their reputation and the bottom line.
02:16:54.000Whereas it feels like an alternative media.
02:16:56.000It feels like the goal is to just report, report, report, report.
02:16:59.000You can get as much wrong as you want, but as long as you're serving a particular ideological narrative, it feels like that ideological drive is much more prevalent in alternative media than it is in mainstream media, where at least there's some accountability to get back to the right.
02:17:10.000When I worked for, well, not Vice at the time, but Vice definitely now, one of the things I started seeing, especially working at the ABC building and at the Univision building, I worked at both buildings at different periods.
02:17:31.000So when I came to them and said, okay, well, I don't want to do that, they said, well, then you can't, you know, work with us.
02:17:36.000Aside from the fact that they were super racist, too, which, you know, one of the reasons I don't like the critical race theory stuff or the critical theory stuff.
02:17:42.000But there was basically, if you're progressive, you're good.
02:17:44.000If you're not, we're not going to report it.
02:17:45.000So they basically, it's the craziest thing.
02:17:47.000I worked for this major, you know, massive media conglomerate, and I was producing content on my YouTube channel with their money.
02:17:55.000And they were like, just put our logo on it.
02:18:11.000They didn't like it because one of the things that got promoted, this is a funny, funny story, I'll try to keep it simple because I don't want to get people fired from their jobs or anything like that, but there's a segment called Open Mic Massacre, which was produced by Fusion, where it's a cartoon gag on people, like social justice activists shutting down comedy clubs, or shutting down comedians.
02:18:31.000It's a comedian who, no matter what jokes he makes, he gets attacked by the audience and then protesters show up.
02:18:37.000It was one of the biggest videos they ever had.
02:18:39.000And there was a revolt in the company at the editorial level.
02:19:13.000And they really wanted me to just play ball.
02:19:15.000One day I woke up $40,000 in my bank account and I laughed and I was like, I'm not going to do what you want me to do.
02:19:20.000I'm not going to, I'm not going to play this game.
02:19:23.000And then finally my contract ended and they were like, have a nice day.
02:19:26.000The New York Times is now seeing it with Barry Weiss's resignation.
02:19:30.000There was a big story that came out in the New Yorker about Slack leaks, Slack messages from people who were basically saying, whose side are you on?
02:19:37.000Now's our chance to make all this great change happen.
02:19:40.000So what's basically happened is the New York Times is becoming ideologically driven.
02:19:44.000Now this is, I believe they're funded by NBC.
02:19:58.000Their president at VidCon, I think this was in 2017 maybe?
02:20:03.000Said, we have brought on anti-Trump activists, it was 2017, at the highest level to help us produce our content.
02:20:10.000Completely ideologically driven, not fact-based.
02:20:14.000And when you say there's no accountability for people in independent media, I pulled up a couple stories, I don't want to name these people.
02:20:20.000But there's two people from BuzzFeed in particular.
02:20:24.000One guy from BuzzFeed who was a plagiarist who got fired and now is trucking along just fine with all his fans, they don't care.
02:20:28.000Another guy who was caught spying, he went to the Financial Times, he got caught spying on Zoom meetings, and he got hired right away by another company.
02:20:36.000There's no accountability for these people.
02:20:38.000I have seen people— I would be curious to hear how the second guy got rehired and there wasn't any type of public outrage for it.
02:20:43.000But any time you can find an example of somebody doing something, you know, stupid in a mainstream—like, there are people that get fired over stuff.
02:20:49.000I know that it happened during the Russian reporter, for instance.
02:20:51.000I think CNN chopped two guys that got, like, a couple minor details wrong related to some election-related stuff in 2016, I think.
02:20:58.000But the idea that there is any accountability in alternative media, though, however bad it must be, or you claim it is in mainstream media, it seems like it's a million times worse in alternative media.
02:21:06.000I can watch people just make blatantly untrue claims over and over and over again on any of these channels.
02:21:11.000I used to blog a lot for Minds, and you can write an article and then have it get massive traction because it's really popular for whatever reason, and then once it has 100 million or a million views, you go and you edit the article and no one knows.
02:21:24.000And you can change the title of the article, you can put the images, change the images, change the entire body of text.
02:21:57.000The next day, the New York Times stealth edited the whole article turning it into an op-ed about feminism in Silicon Valley, saying, uh, feminists zero, Silicon Valley bros two, you know, the end of feminism, you know, whatever.
02:22:10.000And it was this, like, opinion analysis piece about how it was so unfortunate that she was forced to resign due to misogyny and stuff.
02:22:17.000Not at all what the original article was.
02:22:19.000That was a violation of Reddit's rules.
02:22:21.000And it was serious in terms of internet culture because it was one of the biggest pieces of content and one of the biggest websites in the world.
02:22:27.000When I went to the managing editor of Fusion and said, it was a Slack meeting, the Slack chat, we got all these different editors, and I was like, we got a huge story going on right now, Reddit's pulling its third and fifth biggest story ever about its own CEO, which is like a conflict of interest, because the New York Times stealth edited the entire article, turning it into an op-ed, and they said, we do that same thing.
02:23:22.000I think social media has incentivized rapid rage bait content, anger.
02:23:29.000I mean, you look at like even the conversations around the fact that you were going to come here, there's people thinking that we were going to be punching each other in the face and they're going to make clips saying, you destroyed me or I destroyed you.
02:23:38.000It's going to be the stupidest thing ever.
02:23:39.000And I think we had a pretty good conversation so far.
02:23:42.000People want there to be some kind of tribal rage bait.
02:23:46.000Now, I say this all the time and I'll completely admit, I'm biased.
02:23:49.000I've got a couple different channels and you can clearly see my slants and my leanings and don't like the Democrats for a lot of reasons we've gone into.
02:23:57.000And I actually think that's totally fine for an individual to have an opinion.
02:24:00.000I think that your opinion on your content is 100% acceptable and it's cool.
02:24:04.000I think the fact that Kyle Kalinske, David Pakman, the Young Turks, along with conservatives, have your opinions.
02:24:23.000Well, for better or for worse, we're all a little bit enslaved to the larger corporate culture, right?
02:24:29.000Depending on what we publish, we can get... To an extent, right?
02:24:32.000But it's not the same as having an editorial manager or having a boss literally saying, like, we're writing these stories or whatever, for sure.
02:24:38.000Today I want you to write about X. And then you might get someone saying, whoa, that's not true, but I don't want to lose my job, so I'll write it anyway.
02:24:45.000Right, so there is something better in YouTube.
02:24:48.000The problem is we do have an editorial department, and it's the YouTube community guidelines and the YouTube, you know, what do they call it?
02:24:55.000The review board or whatever these people do.
02:26:13.000You know, people make a lot of money through these crypto video networks, but that's, to me, is just... A lot of money, too, is... There might be a few that are making a ton, but most of them probably don't.
02:26:21.000Library, Andreas is just going on about that.
02:26:42.000A lot of people are making a lot of money doing, like, Patreon-style stuff.
02:26:47.000But I'll tell you, there is an inherent problem in all of this, is that people will choose to just watch me or just watch you.
02:26:54.000And a lot of people will say, I don't like Tim or I don't like Destiny, and then they're only gonna get their opinions from one person instead of potentially an organization with a editorial department and different opinions in the op-ed section.
02:27:30.000There are instances where I can bring on someone like Enrique Tarrio of the Proud Boys, and everyone will cheer me on for letting him talk.
02:27:36.000Then I'll bring on someone like Vosh, and people will get mad at me saying, don't let him speak.
02:27:40.000But my goal is like, look, if people don't want to hear, you know, ideas they don't like, then I guess you can't come to this channel.
02:27:47.000Because I want to continue bringing on people who have dissenting views from me or different opinions.
02:27:52.000Because it's a problem that if people only watch just my one channel where it's just me talking or they only watch, you know, any leftist channel, then we're polarizing.
02:28:01.000What, I'm curious, what responsibility do you feel you have to your audience to disseminate messages that you agree with?
02:28:07.000So let's say, for instance, so your YouTube channel's got a lot of views, I think over 50 million a month, at least.
02:28:32.000So, let's say that you have somebody that comes on and from what I know of you, you don't seem to be a white nationalist or anything like that.
02:28:38.000Let's say you bring somebody on and that person has those types of views and you platform that person and you feel like they profit or they grow from the exposure that they get on your show.
02:28:47.000Do you feel like you have any responsibility in terms of like messaging or in terms of growing that person's platform or what do you feel?
02:28:53.000I mean, I'm growing your platform to an extent.
02:28:55.000There's probably a lot of people who are discovering you and thinking, I might disagree, but I'll hear what he has to say and stuff like that.
02:29:46.000Black Lives Matter organizer came out with Proud Boys and they issued a joint message of what they agree upon, even though they really disagree on most things.
02:29:53.000What does the Proud Boys stand for exactly?
02:29:54.000The Proud Boys are Western chauvinists, so they believe West is best.
02:30:37.000A lot of people were like, they said I was harder on him and Alex Jones than I was on Vosh.
02:30:42.000And I'm like, Vosh and I were like yelling like raising our voices at each other.
02:30:46.000I don't know like four hours Yeah, and it was like four hours.
02:30:48.000You know so but If somebody is is is relevant in some capacity we bring them on a lot of people want me to bring on some America first type individuals, and I'm like I'm I will but like I'm not banning people from my show.
02:31:03.000I just got to be relevant I don't want to just randomly grab somebody and be like here you go.
02:31:07.000You know what I mean sure and I would actually say you're not controversial.
02:32:00.000If I talk about the federal reserve or if I want to go into nine or like, I'm not, I'm not, I have no concern about YouTube coming after you.
02:33:32.000I said earlier this year that what would get me to vote for him is if he issued an executive order decriminalizing, or at the very least ordering the DEA not to prosecute marijuana-related offenses, pardoning nonviolent drug offenders, with a review because some people pled down and they were pleaded down and Appointing Tulsi as national security advisor yang as economic advisor withdrawing from Afghanistan.
02:33:55.000That's a pretty tall order Sure, none of these things happen to be fair, right?
02:33:59.000Like fair in the sense like they would ever happen or well like none of these things He didn't do any of these.
02:34:03.000Of course, of course, like it was like the wish list of like I'm not gonna move it I think the media lies about him I don't think he's nearly as bad as like you ever said segment where MSNBC the woman said that he's talking about exterminating Latinos Like, that's the level of, like, lunacy.
02:34:18.000The Russiagate stuff was so infuriating.
02:34:19.000The Ukrainegate stuff was infuriating.
02:34:21.000So often I find myself in one of these positions where, for a long time, it was like, stop making me defend the guy.
02:34:25.000Because I was, like, ragging on him quite a bit in the first few years about foreign policy, for sure.
02:34:29.000For broader policy things related to, say—because you said you were a fan of Universal Health Care.
02:34:33.000I think you think that climate change is probably real?
02:34:35.000Climate change is a big problem, definitely.
02:34:37.000So for like broader things like this, or for more assistance, I don't know how you feel about like general redistribution of welfare, like maybe like free school or something?
02:35:15.000I think a progressive tax system is a good thing.
02:35:18.000I think we need to make sure that we do what we can to protect the working class individuals from the vulturous predatory elites and the wealthy top 1% billionaires and all that stuff.
02:35:28.000It feels like, broadly speaking, Feels like you align more with, like, the Democratic foundation or platform than you do with the Republican one.
02:35:45.000George W. Bush, all the protests, I was marching in them, watching these music videos and everyone saying, war is bad, Bush is Hitler and all this stuff.
02:35:53.000And they were like, Barack Obama, he's gonna make sure we have healthcare, he's gonna help
02:35:57.000the poor, he's gonna fix these problems, he's gonna bring our troops back, man, you gotta
02:36:52.000I can't stand these insurance companies.
02:36:54.000I think we need dramatic reform across the board on so much stuff.
02:36:58.000It feels like from the Democratic platform, based on what Obama did with the ACA and was trying to do with the ACA, it feels like that's more a step in the right direction than Republicans that are just completely trying to dismantle all form of government intervention in healthcare.
02:37:09.000But for me, like most people, we have opinions where we weigh certain things more than we weigh others.
02:37:21.000It didn't really mean that much to me.
02:37:22.000But when they said I had to pay a fine because I couldn't afford healthcare, then I made enough money to where I should have bought healthcare, but I couldn't!
02:37:31.000I have a... I'll be vague with this, but someone who was very close to me in my life has been forced to pay... was forced to pay the fee and was, like, essentially destitute because it was, like, piling up on their taxes.
02:37:44.000I think they just ended up owing money.
02:37:47.000I don't know, obviously, their exact financial position, but there were huge exemptions made for people that were even above the poverty line.
02:37:52.000It would scale off, I think, depending on how much they were made, but it's possible that... Living in a city...
02:37:55.000making a certain amount of money, not being able to afford your rent and food at the same time.
02:38:00.000Because you'd be under federal poverty, or not under federal poverty, but for a city you might be.
02:38:03.000And so what happened was their tax bill, that they just have a debt to the IRS for that,
02:38:07.000but Trump got rid of it, I don't know what happened, but that was like...
02:38:09.000So for generally speaking on things like healthcare, it seems like we kind of align
02:38:14.000more on the Democratic platform than the Republican one.
02:38:47.000Because I do have insurance, they said under the ACA, because you have insurance, you are not allowed to come to this facility even if you pay cash.
02:38:54.000I called like three different like just like general physician facilities or whatever.
02:39:07.000Yeah, that sounds bad, but like even, I guess, because unfortunately I can't speak to your personal stories.
02:39:11.000You may have had like bad personal experiences with anything related to the healthcare system.
02:39:15.000But I mean like, it did insure like over 10 million more people.
02:39:17.000But the problem is, what the ACA was basically, it was like this ridiculous fake compromise, where instead of actually creating a system that would, I think there was good intentions behind it.
02:39:28.000The idea was like, how do we get to a universal healthcare standpoint?
02:39:45.000So there were provisions under the ACA that made it, for instance, that the total amount of money that you take in, like a certain percent, has to be paid out in the form of claims.
02:39:53.000You can't have like 50% of your costs going to administrative costs.
02:39:56.000There were a lot of good things that were made to bring those companies into line.
02:39:59.000I guess I'm just, when I look at, like, the ACA, in a lot of ways, sucked.
02:40:03.000But in some ways, the ACA was amazing.
02:40:05.000Like, again, it insured a lot more people.
02:40:07.000But costs continued to rise in healthcare.
02:40:09.000For some people that were on the border of not qualifying for those, like, poverty line provisions and not making that much, like the working poor, you got absolutely destroyed by the ACA and the mandate, for sure.
02:40:18.000So it definitely should have went farther.
02:40:19.000But it just, it feels like when I look at the difference between, like, a Republican having office for four more years or a Democrat, it feels like going farther is so much more likely under a Democratic administration than a Republican one.
02:40:29.000In the end, I'd rather have nothing than broken, I guess.
02:40:35.000So I'd rather be in a situation where I'm responsible for myself than whatever mangled garbage we ended up getting.
02:40:42.000How do you say that to somebody that has like a type 1 diabetic?
02:40:44.000Someone who through no fault of their own has, like, it's either they have a pre-existing condition if they don't have some sort of like- I'm not voting for other people.
02:40:52.000I don't know, like you mentioned, my anecdotes, you can't speak to them, I can't speak to other people, and I don't know, I don't have those experiences.
02:40:57.000Healthcare is not the biggest issue for me and it wasn't a thing I ever really paid attention to, it didn't affect me.
02:42:34.000We were in the process of easing sanctions, right?
02:42:36.000Like people talk about the boatloads of cash, right?
02:42:38.000We unfroze a lot of the assets that we were holding, and I think we were taking steps towards, depending on how many years had gone by, easing a lot of the sanctions.
02:42:46.000There was a lot going on in that direction with Obama pertaining to Iran, and it was conflict.
02:42:50.000Qatar-Turkey pipeline, which you brought up earlier on.
02:42:53.000I don't know if this actually went public.
02:42:54.000Maybe I'm going to leak some information that I probably shouldn't because the story was never published, but Iran was smuggling in gold through Turkish Airlines.
02:43:02.000There was a whole bunch of workarounds that were being granted to them.
02:43:05.000That's not necessarily surprising, but I mean, like, that's also just kind of the nature of the Middle East.
02:43:11.000Like, for instance, we have our ally Turkey that was, like, the reason why ISIS was making so much money is because they were just driving those trucks north right into Turkey and just selling the oil and driving on back.
02:43:20.000So, and then also, you know, we talk about, like, Yemen, like, it would be nice.
02:43:22.000It's like, okay, what we're done here, and then all of the Gulf states will look at us like, excuse me, what do you mean you're done here?
02:43:27.000Like, hello, we're your most important, like, group of cluster of allies in the Middle East.
02:43:30.000Not to excuse Obama, but just to, like, it sucks, all of the Middle East.
02:43:33.000And even to some extent, and I would even say publicly, like, I'm not going to blame Trump for what's going on in the Middle East either.
02:43:38.000I will be critical of some of his actions, whether it's abandoning the Turks, talking about running Syrian oil fields, or any of that dumb stuff.
02:43:44.000Or, yeah, abandoning the Kurds to the Turks.
02:43:47.000That stuff is bad, but I guess for me, the reason I bring up health care reform policy is because my two favorite accomplishments under Obama was I think that the ACA was historic.
02:43:56.000What we ended up getting, the compromise, kind of sucked undoubtedly, but it was historic in terms of moving in that direction and finally joining the rest of the OECD countries and having some sort of public health care.
02:44:05.000And then working to normalize relationships with Iran was unbelievable.
02:44:08.000If that would have been something that would have continued into the future, Like, thawing relations in that part of the world and getting the Gulf states to just calm down with the conflict?
02:44:16.000I'm not convinced Obama was doing that.
02:44:19.000And I think, in the past few months, Trump has these historic peace agreements between Arabic nations and Israel, and it's massive.
02:44:45.000I don't know how that made you even more upset about it.
02:44:48.000Because Donald Trump, with no security, with no security, crossed into North Korea in a tremendous sign of good faith, giving me hope that there was actually trust enough where the President theoretically, or straight up, risked his life.
02:45:03.000They could have just... You know that the North Korean soldiers grab South Korean soldiers and pull them into North Korea?
02:45:08.000Trump freely walked into the country with no security, shook hands, smiled, and walked back.
02:45:27.000Well, I mean, Japan and South Korea disagree.
02:45:29.000I mean, for a variety of reasons, but South Korea, my understanding, has been working towards an agreement with North Korea that's been improving for quite some time.
02:45:40.000I thought it was incredible to see the President of the United States make that move.
02:45:43.000I guess it was just sad that, like, for a guy that talks about making deals so much, and for an Iranian deal that we had gotten concessions out of, that he'd completely dismantled, We went and we talked to North Korea and we got zero concessions out of them.
02:45:53.000And they expanded all of their training programs and everything.
02:45:57.000They did bad in a lot of ways and they played Trump, but I think that was tremendous.
02:46:03.000I think it's the kind of thing that needs to happen.
02:46:06.000Whether or not it would have ultimately resulted in restoration, peace in the peninsula or whatever, it's hard to say, but I thought it was a step in the right direction.
02:46:15.000I mean, listen, man, the President of the United States walking into North Korea with no security is a big deal.
02:46:36.000When I say you don't care about healthcare, it's not a key voting issue for you.
02:46:40.000It's not going to make or break your vote.
02:46:42.000We should have universal basic level care.
02:46:45.000If you get sick, you can rush to the hospital, they'll give you Tamiflu, what you need.
02:46:48.000You break your hand, you go to the doctor, they can set your broken hand.
02:46:51.000If you get more serious, rare genetic disorders that are very difficult, require more resources, that's where private insurance is gonna kick in to a certain degree.
02:47:02.000I think we can provide that, but it's gonna be so limited and difficult to get.
02:47:07.000I think we need some sort of, not necessarily, I wouldn't even call it a public option.
02:47:11.000It's a hybrid system of, there are a lot of people who, you know, kids, you see the story, they get the flu, they die, or diabetics, they can't get insulin.
02:47:18.000That's the kind of stuff that should be easily taken care of.
02:48:51.000I kind of agree, but I still... Doesn't seem to work that way any other part of the world, but... Well, I mean, most of the countries have already instituted some kind of national healthcare system, and it's due to long-standing... Like, Europe, it has a lot to do with World War II and stuff like that.
02:49:02.000I think the market would price itself in the sense that if they can't get customers to pay the bills, they'd have to figure out a way to improve it, but... Kind of.
02:49:09.000So market forces wouldn't exactly It doesn't exactly work that way.
02:49:13.000So for instance, if I could do some surgery and I could sell it to 10 people for $100 or just one person for $1,000, it might make sense to just do the one person and ignore the nine, right?
02:49:21.000But market forces are really good at setting prices and everything and the most efficient way to allocate capital, but when healthcare, we don't want to just allocate capital efficiently, we want to take care of our citizens.
02:49:40.000I think the challenge is getting to this position, and I also believe in freedom of the individual, in which case, as a more libertarian-leaning person, if you want to implement the system, it's done through cooperation.
02:49:53.000You have to convince the people we're going to do the right thing and we're going to make it work.
02:49:56.000Very difficult task to do, and that's the problem.
02:49:59.000Ultimately, I think it's the weakness of not being an authoritarian who just imposes it upon people for the good of the people.
02:50:04.000Like, I know it's better for you, so we're doing it.
02:50:06.000In some cases, that may be, but I don't think we're going to be happier living under one person who thinks they know better than us or a handful of people.
02:50:13.000Well, that's kind of what... I mean, like, if they impose it on us, I mean, that's... we kind of voted for it, right?
02:50:33.000But if we're pushing something that's making it through, like, the House, the Senate, and the president signing into law, there's a good chance that a majority of the American people are supporting this.
02:50:40.000It's highly unlikely otherwise, you know?
02:50:42.000And there's always going to be some minority of the country that's going to be bullied around by them, which is because nobody's 100% in favor of anything.
02:50:47.000So I think it's an issue... Right, I agree with you.
02:50:50.000So that's why I think one of the problems we have right now is when... I can't get into the specifics, but Harry Reid did away with the filibuster in 2013, allowing for Trump to get three Supreme Court justices in with a simple majority.
02:51:03.000This had been fought with even under Bush, I think.
02:51:05.000People have gone back and forth arguing whether or not the filibuster should... Yeah.
02:51:08.000The problem, well, you used to need, I guess, you needed two-thirds to get a Supreme Court justice in, and then Harry Reid changed it to 51 simple majority for confirmation.
02:52:14.000But arguably those threats and then undoing the filibuster for the lower court picks is what led McConnell to do it for the Supreme Court picks.
02:52:20.000I think the best thing in the world would be needing two-thirds majority for approval of legislation.
02:52:29.000Forcing the majority to cooperate and negotiate with the minority.
02:52:33.000You wouldn't get ridiculous far left or far right or whatever.
02:52:37.000You'd get them saying, we want to pass this.
02:52:39.000Okay, well, you got to get us to agree with you.
02:52:41.000And that's good because it keeps us together.
02:52:42.000One of the problems we've had is how polarized and uncompromising it feels a lot of Congress is right now.
02:52:47.000I think it's better to have no movement forward than rapid, erratic back and forth, you know what I mean?
02:52:53.000Yeah, I kind of agree, but the only problem is that what happens then is that all of our movement comes from either executive actions or the Supreme Court.
02:53:01.000Okay, I'm just curious then, so for one other issue, so healthcare, foreign policy, what's like a third issue that you would like, and besides the critical race theory, what's another thing that like, oh, I would support Trump because of this particular thing?
02:53:18.000That may have overtaken, um, you know.
02:53:20.000Like I said earlier in the air, I said I wasn't going to vote for the guy.
02:53:23.000But I think critical race theory played a huge role because that's deeply impacted my life.
02:53:26.000Not just in the sense that there's like this theory and people believe it, but the practical application of Directly impacted the safety and well-being of my family and my experience and the stories I grew up.
02:53:53.000The Democrats were trying to repeal the civil rights provision in their constitution with Prop 16 in California.
02:53:58.000I understand that California is one of the few states that actually has one, but it's still shocking to me that the Democrats all signed on, both state level and federal level, were like, yep, we want to repeal this civil rights provision, guaranteeing you can't discriminate on the basis of race because we want to.
02:54:13.000And I'm like, my understanding is that what starts in California makes its way to the rest of the country.
02:54:17.000I would not be surprised if Democrats in a few years vote to repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
02:54:35.000I think the Supreme Court has already ruled that it is okay to discriminate against even protected classes as long as there's a business necessary reason to do so.
02:54:43.000Um, so, like, uh, I looked this up, so for instance— Acting.
02:54:54.000Because my understanding is that the reason why those did exist was because the Supreme Court ruled that in some cases, like, if it's business as such, you can have, like, an all-female gym.
02:55:08.000I do know that one of the- Make a lot of money doing it!
02:55:10.000I think one of the important parts of that Supreme Court case was that, um, you are not allowed to have, like, other vital stuff going on in that business that would lead to that discrimination being negative.
02:55:20.000So, for instance, if you had an all-female gym, that's fine, but if that all-female gym started to host, like, meetings related to some business activity, well, that's not okay, because now you'd be discriminating against men going- I don't know if, like, the ladies' bar issue is running into that or whatever, but- I just, I don't like discrimination.
02:55:47.000Like, defund the police stuff to me is absolutely insane.
02:55:50.000And I've been ragging on cops frequently, like the cops in Staten Island who are barring this guy from, you know, from opening his bar to the public.
02:55:57.000Even though he's not running the business, he's just letting him have free drinks.
02:56:00.000They're violating the First Amendment of the Constitution.
02:56:07.000I still think defund the police is nuts.
02:56:09.000And now we're seeing crime skyrocketing in, you know, a bunch of different places.
02:56:13.000I'll tell you one of the big issues for me, though, was the midterm betrayal, in my opinion.
02:56:19.000The moderate Democrats, who won 31 districts, flipping control of the House to the Democrats, they ran on kitchen table issues, the economy, healthcare, etc.
02:56:28.000They said that they weren't going to play Pelosi's game and be anti-Trump culture warriors, and then they did.
02:56:33.000And they came in and they said impeachment, and that was the name of the game, that was the big story, that's what carried through, and almost nobody stood up to them.
02:56:41.000I mean, I think the big problem with that was that those seemed to be the only gains that would gain any traction.
02:56:45.000I think the problem is that the House, under those two years of Pelosi, the House passed like record amounts of legislation, but literally absolutely nothing could make it through the Senate.
02:56:54.000So at the end of the day, I mean like impeachment over whether or not, I'm guessing you probably don't think the Ukraine stuff is legitimate, but whether or not it was, like that was literally the only stuff they could actually get through or have any meaningful impact on in the House.
02:57:03.000Yeah, the Ukraine stuff is not legitimate.
02:57:13.000But like, they were passing legislation at the House, but that's all they can do.
02:57:16.000I think a big issue, like the conversation I had with Vosh, and even with you, is different sources of information.
02:57:22.000One of the things I brought up before, for those that are listening, before we went live was like, you can find a source that confirms your bias.
02:57:30.000And it's like really hard to break through this and figure out what is it.
02:57:44.000He did a bit where he's like, he just basically says, if you like Black Lives Matter, you can say that they're doing good, or you can say they're bad.
02:57:49.000And he like just goes through all the articles that are like, and these are legitimate, like New York Times, Washington Post, Telegraph, Financial Times.
02:57:55.000Where they just say contradictory things and you're laughing, seeing like a different headline every single day.
02:59:02.000What he's doing with critical race theory and what he's doing with at least trying to, be it ineffectively, withdraw our troops from the Middle East.
02:59:27.000Yeah, but he's escalated tensions all over the world, every other country.
02:59:29.000He did it with Bolivia, he did it with Venezuela, he's done it with Cuba, he's done it with Iran, he's done it with— And under—and with Obama-Biden, they literally entered a bunch of these countries.
02:59:37.000Well, they entered a bunch of countries.
02:59:49.000He is a Clinton advisor from like the 90s and a really good friend of Hillary's and stuff.
02:59:54.000And so like 10,000 of the emails that Hillary had received were from Sidney.
02:59:58.000And he had a company called Global Osprey, Osprey Global Solutions, which is an arms manufacturing company.
03:00:03.000So he would email Hillary and be like, hey, when you get us into Iran, we want to set up Osprey Global Solutions to fund this new pro-America government.
03:03:02.000The huge problem with the coalition government, I think we said in Iraq, and I still have no idea why this happened, was when we kicked everybody out of the government that was part of that government, part of the Ba'ath party, is we literally said none of the people that were ever involved in any of these positions can ever hold public office or whatever.
03:03:17.000And the amount of tomfoolery that went on in that government and how crazy everything became with how horrible the government we put together, the guy that we put in there, the Maliki guy, there was just so much mismanagement from that.
03:03:29.000But regardless of how all of that went down, I'm just, I'm not envious of being somebody that has to figure out how we leave the Middle East now because it's so rough in terms of like, because if you just pull everything out, a lot of vacuums are created.
03:03:39.000We've got a lot of allies in the region that get irritated.
03:03:41.000Um, like, you know, Israel or the Gulf States don't want to see like a united, uh, you know, like, uh, Syria, Iraq, Iran, like this united front of people.
03:03:48.000And it seems like we've already kind of lost Iraq in terms of like being an ally.
03:03:51.000Like it's, it's a rough, I'm not saying, I don't support wars everywhere, but I understand the, um, even for Trump, I understand the position.
03:04:30.000He doesn't think we can just pull out all our troops because that's how you get ISIS.
03:04:34.000You create this vacuum and then someone comes in.
03:04:36.000But he does think that we can reduce it quite a bit and have a way drawn down presence and just kind of help maintain it.
03:04:42.000I think our problem ever since Bush is we just don't have like a cohesive mission.
03:04:48.000And when you don't really have a clear objective, then like this, the, the one thing that we need to stop doing is having wars on things like a war on poverty, a war on drugs, a war on terrorism.
03:04:57.000Like these things are going to exist throughout the entirety of the world.
03:05:00.000And when your, when your objectives are so vague, you don't really know what you're like.
03:05:36.000I just bring that up because it's like, you know, it's funny.
03:05:39.000I guess I'm classified as right for opposing the critical theory stuff and supporting Trump primarily on the war stuff and the critical race theory stuff.
03:05:48.000But unlike most other things, I say it all the time in like almost all my videos.
03:05:52.000It's the weirdest thing, but I understand when these people make these super cuts of me to insult me, they purposely dodge the stuff where I've like ranted about Flint's water crisis over and over again.
03:06:03.000I'm pretty sure that we took a totality of YouTube content.
03:06:05.000You're probably being more critical of the left than the right though.
03:06:07.000I'm critical of the critical race theory left stuff.
03:06:10.000But when I say things like, I understand why people are upset with police and police brutality, and I did an hour-long documentary on it.
03:06:17.000But I guess the issue is, like, when I've criticized McConnell and the Republicans, it's because they're establishment crony politicians who just want to be in office to get their paycheck and do nothing.
03:06:50.000Regarding pulling troops, you reminded me when you brought up Sean Parnell and pulling out troops, creating a power vacuum.
03:06:56.000What we did with the Iraqi government once our troops were in, by disbanding their civil servants, was we created a power vacuum without pulling our troops out.
03:07:03.000So pulling troops out is not the only way to create a power vacuum that can cause something like ISIS.
03:07:08.000We can leave our troops there and still cause that to happen.
03:07:10.000Yeah, depending on how much you disrupt things.
03:07:38.000I like open relationships, so for me personally, and I understand that everybody has their own thing, I don't think I could ever be in a spot in my life where I only want to have sex with one person for the rest of my life.
03:08:00.000It's funny because like sometimes like she'll complain that like she feels like it may be like I get around too much or it's not fair to her but then when people like frame it in my relationship it's that I'm literally sitting at home while she's bringing home like these massive BBC's that are just railing her and blah blah blah and I'm just like crying in the corner or whatever and it's like okay.
03:08:16.000Different people from different communities have very different ideas of like how my personal life is.
03:08:20.000It's very funny to see people project their insecurities on me.
03:08:24.000He's like an intellectual dark web personality, so you could probably assume some things about his personality in that context, but I think he's real big into polyamory.
03:08:33.000Yeah, that's technically what I really should know.
03:09:03.000If I go and look at any, and I did this before I came here, because you look at like any of the top comments on like all of your past videos, it's all- But comments are very different.
03:09:12.000So this, this, this, this, this stream we have is one of the like, one of the highest super chats we've done because of the controversy.
03:09:18.000The comments were getting- Of course, yeah, I agree with that, yeah.
03:09:20.000But, okay, so I don't know if I can, we're not gonna argue over it, but there are some people that play a center role, but they end up building very right-leaning audiences, and whenever they clash with them, they run into huge problems.
03:09:31.000So Sam Harris, for example, do you know Thunderf00t?
03:09:34.000That was a guy that was, there were a lot of like, this is like the gaming thing, a lot of people came out and they're like, oh, I'm a centrist.
03:09:38.000They're probably more right than not, but Thunderf00t legitimately, I think, had his principled stance on things.
03:09:42.000Anytime he would say anything negative about Trump, he would get slaughtered by his audience.
03:09:45.000I will say, it probably is dependent upon where you are.
03:09:49.000Like to call someone conservative or liberal is like, it's extremely subjective.
03:09:54.000I kind of, I look at the fan bases, I guess, when I think of like, what kind of person is this person?
03:09:58.000Cause usually the fan base can be pretty telling.
03:09:59.000Like what kind of people do they attract?
03:10:01.000So we did a survey and, uh, I would say that if you were to combine the groups between left and right, left slightly outranks right of my audience, but they're like moderates.
03:10:14.000They're not even traditional liberals.
03:10:15.000And it's hard doing left and right because some people are very like single issue.
03:10:19.000Like, there might be a lot of people that are literally, just when it comes to the critical race theory, I imagine because you talk about it quite a bit, that's like their one issue, so they might consider themselves on it.
03:10:44.000One of my favorite things about Trump being out of office, one of the happiest reasons why he's gone, and I'm still looking forward to moving past... He's not gone yet.
03:10:51.000I'm looking forward to moving past all the SNL, the dumb skits and the dumb jokes and all that.
03:10:56.000Dude, I legitimately hate Trump more than a lot of people, but even I'm tired of all the... You know what I'm excited for is the media just falling apart.
03:11:05.000Their ratings were in the gutter before Trump.
03:11:33.000Or then, I'm sorry, before that could have happened, Trump started campaigning.
03:11:36.000And then all of a sudden, ratings on TV started skyrocketing, CNN's ratings started skyrocketing, Fox News, YouTube viewership, everything started going nuts around Trump.
03:11:46.000If Trump, you know, if this is the end, if he doesn't run in 2024, if he doesn't stay in public light, if he doesn't pull off some triple Hail Mary or whatever, Twitter was bleeding users before Trump started, you know, before he got elected.
03:11:59.000Media companies were downsizing and laying people off.
03:12:02.000Oh, like endlessly, even in the past few years without Trump.
03:13:37.000So then the natural recourse, I guess, would be for people to say, protect the vulnerable, but open the economy so I can work.
03:13:43.000I think people in Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea all like to work, too, and they somehow manage to lock down for a little bit, keep the virus under control, open up, go back to work.
03:13:49.000They don't have the same constitution we do, though.
03:14:37.000If UBI is one of those things that works really well, if we do this in a state or whatever, and it's like, wow, this actually enabled so many people, then yeah, go for it.
03:15:01.000An interesting argument to be made about marginal tax rates, basically, that when you have these programs for poor people, what happens is that as they earn more money, in a roundabout way, they're kind of sort of getting penalized for it in increasing amounts because the welfare that they're receiving is dropping off.
03:15:19.000I don't know if I believe it, but basically the idea is that if you get unemployment insurance, you're in a way punished for working because as you start to work, you're really not making as much money, right?
03:16:11.000Um, my understanding is that the states in the northeast, I'd have to look at the coronavirus charts, but the states in the northeast that did lock down did a really good job of bringing infections under control.
03:16:19.000Well, as you relax the restrictions, it comes back, of course, yeah.
03:16:21.000So that means we're just gonna lock down forever?
03:16:23.000Um, it means that you have to be more careful about the measures that you take in terms of, like, opening and closing and, like, the responsible, like, things that you do.
03:16:50.000In Victoria, they had a huge spike, right?
03:16:52.000So, we just lock down for two months, open for two months, lock down for two months?
03:16:57.000I think the goal would be to have it, like, it doesn't feel like in the United States, we have a good sliding scale of, like, Lockdown level one, two, three, four.
03:17:04.000Like, we're locked down now, and then it's like, okay, well, we're kind of open.
03:17:08.000Like, I think Florida, Georgia, some southern states have done this, where it's like, okay, hold on, guys.
03:17:11.000And then it's like, ah, screw it, just everything's open again.
03:17:13.000I think that if you have, like, the more measured, like, we can do this, and this, and this, and you slowly expand it, cases rise, you close, you open, we're waiting for the vaccine.
03:17:19.000Like, I think that's kind of how you have to play it, ideally.
03:17:22.000We haven't hit the point yet in the United States where hospitals are, like, overflowing that much.
03:17:25.000I think a couple counties in Texas complained about it.
03:17:30.000I know that California has been projecting that over Christmas, if cases continue to rise where we might get overflowing, that's like the doom... I don't think so.
03:18:41.000Some people with terminal cancer prognosis die before cancer becomes fatal.
03:18:45.000Nocebo highly correlates with high stress.
03:18:47.000I'm not sure what that was in reference to.
03:18:49.000I think he's trying to say that Trump lying about the threat of the coronavirus was better for the overall health of the country, which can be true, but that's only if you're doing work in the background.
03:18:56.000So for instance, if we're telling a cancer patient maybe we're being a little bit optimistic, that doesn't mean we halt all treatment and halt all cancer research.
03:19:02.000I might be a little bit nicer to you about the outcome of your chemotherapy, but it doesn't mean I'm going to stop giving you the drug.
03:19:07.000Sejong the Great says, I was literally watching the videos on election night of the booting, the boarding of the tabulation rooms, etc.
03:19:15.000So there were videos from a bunch of different states.
03:19:19.000I watched a ton of live election coverage that night.
03:19:22.000You said it yourself, I agree with you, it's really hard to watch one video and figure out what's going on.
03:19:27.000There's so much, one video is posted, and I have to be careful because I don't want to be eating, you know, my... There's an expression for this, but like, I don't want to, like, be totally wrong where, like, two days later, it's like, you retweeted this video.
03:19:39.000Didn't you know that this happened two months ago?
03:19:41.000Or, like, this was, like, a four-year-old video.
03:19:57.000Yeah, so I tried, like, you can paint whatever picture you want with a 20-second clip on Twitter, and I saw this with the Rittenhouse stuff.
03:20:04.000Oh my goodness, I saw so many different things based on some videos, and it's like, oh god.
03:20:36.000I mean, like, if you want to keep voting in a guy that's not going to help you and is going to give more money to people like me, I'm okay with that.
03:20:40.000At the end of the day, none of this lockdown stuff hurts anybody in my position.
03:21:28.000But there will always be people receiving it.
03:21:31.000Yeah, sure, but we're talking about like... He's talking about paying every citizen not to work for extended periods of time, which is a little bit farther than unemployment insurance.
03:21:37.000I think we gotta take a middle road approach, I suppose.
03:22:07.000To be clear, every young person can be infected, and we're probably not going to die.
03:22:12.000The scary part is just that of the 5% or 10% of people that are infected that need to go to the ICU, if those beds run out, then your death rate will skyrocket.
03:22:20.000It's the comorbidities that concern me.
03:22:22.000Well, it's comorbidities that basically are the rickety bridge, and then COVID breaks it.
03:24:34.000Buffalo Bill says, how about the PA court changing voter law, not the legislature?
03:24:39.000Well, oh, that was the Supreme Court ruling on, uh, what was that, on the deadlines or whatever?
03:24:44.000I don't... Yeah, I think that was the one case that they won, right, where they said that, like, this, you didn't have the authority to do this, if that's what he's referring to.
03:24:50.000I don't remember the specific case, but I know there was one where somebody tried to change a deadline that they didn't have the authority to do.
03:24:54.000It wasn't over whether they should or shouldn't, but it was they didn't have the authority to do that particular thing.
03:24:58.000Tommy Allen says, has he read the Great Reset Plan?
03:25:07.000Is it just the idea of making stuff more, like, green-friendly and everything?
03:25:11.000It probably would have been more fair if we actually pulled up and read through a lot of it, but it's very much like... It's like a ten-point plan.
03:25:18.000The problem that I have with a lot of grandiose stuff like that is that you can phrase a lot of that to sound good, but these could be very different depending on how you implement them.
03:25:29.000So if somebody, for instance, says we have a plan to make buildings more energy efficient, one way to do that could be federal funds that reinforce or change the structure of buildings such that they're more energy efficient, or it could be a $7,000 tax on every thing you can say.
03:27:16.000There are definitely ones where I do more, and there are definitely ones where I try to be more compromising.
03:27:19.000It really just depends on the audience, depends on the setting.
03:27:22.000With this audience, I notice, I don't want to be too general, but when I start to dump on Trump, if I just start to insult him, people get really angry at the other stuff I say in the conversation.
03:27:31.000If I don't trash Trump, I've noticed it, a trend.
03:27:35.000Because a lot of people that watch this show seem to love him.
03:28:36.000Also would like to help with future projects.
03:28:38.000Well, I guess the issue is, we always try to have guests that are, without being rude or anything, just relevant to the certain, like to, you know, to something going on.
03:28:48.000I think, in your instance, for one, I think people were tweeting you at me, and then I think you tweeted at me or whatever.
03:28:54.000But also, we literally are going through this election period right now.
03:28:56.000I thought it'd be good to bring on... We're going to be having a progressive political candidate coming on at some point, so it's going to be a really interesting conversation.
03:29:03.000This is the kind of stuff that I think is particularly relevant for what's going on right now.
03:29:07.000In the future, I'll probably have a rock star of some sort on, or, you know, we'll see what happens.
03:30:07.000MW says, Tim, having a conversation doesn't mean bend over and let him run a train on you.
03:30:12.000Well, uh, if this is what I was saying, like, if you have an opinion and you're like, in my opinion, Trump didn't do a good job, what am I supposed to say?
03:30:31.000But if you don't like what Trump has done.
03:30:34.000When I had Vaush on, it was like, by what metric do we gauge Trump's job on the coronavirus?
03:30:38.000Because it's one president in one country, and this kind of thing didn't happen in the United States at a different time, and countries are all different.
03:30:44.000So it's either you like Trump and you think he's doing a bad job and here's why, or you like Trump and you think he's doing a good job, here's why, or you hate him and he's doing a bad job, here's why, or there's a middle ground of some sort, whatever.
03:30:54.000MDLEGO says this conversation is a prime example of why civil strife is inevitable.
03:30:58.000Neither side will concede even when presented contrary facts are proven wrong.
03:31:02.000Just deflect onto other and finger point.
03:31:25.000I think we probably have a couple of, I think of core, like, philosophical disagreements over how to run things, which probably is where a lot of our larger... So, for instance, when you say you vote for yourself and not for other people, that would probably be, like, a core philosophical agreement we'd have to hash out to truly, like... It's actually more nuanced than just to say it like that.
03:32:01.000I used to be, like, full universal healthcare, and then I started thinking maybe we should only cover, like, Acute health, but not chronic health, because I feel like people are poisoning themselves with food, and then they go to the hospital, and I got, why would I pay for someone else's poor dietary choices?
03:32:17.000But then there's things like type 1 diabetes, where like, genetic disorders that are chronic.
03:32:22.000So maybe certain types of chronic... It's unfortunately with healthcare, I say unfortunately, it'd be nice if there was like a merit-based way of covering certain people, but you kind of have to just do it all, because it's really hard.
03:32:30.000Even with like type 2 diabetes, some people are prone to it, some people aren't, with the same exact diet and lifestyle, like...
03:32:36.000I think we definitely got to read it says tribe and clan says great to hear destiny making excuses for violent rioters because orange man said something disagree with no humanity with this guy Trump derangement at its finest.
03:32:46.000I thought that was interesting because you got booted from the partner program on Twitch for defending.
03:32:51.000I've taken heat from both ends of this.
03:32:53.000So my stance is so incredibly clear on this and I repeat it one more time.
03:32:57.000If you want to riot, I support your ability to riot to the ends of the earth.
03:33:00.000If it's against public institutions, rioting against private individuals, that's just larceny and burglary and theft and vandalism.
03:33:07.000I don't ever, ever, ever support that.
03:33:58.000Like, yes, there is a point at which you have to fight back and defend yourself.
03:34:01.000There's also, though, we also have to acknowledge that political violence has to be a last option, or near the last, because otherwise you get into very weird areas very quickly.
03:34:12.000Could I be violent against Republicans for immigration policy if you are somebody that's impacted?
03:34:15.000There's a lot of stuff, and I think you can justify some of these, but it gets really weird if you start saying everyone should act on it, because then we're basically all killing each other all the time for everything.
03:34:24.000Mitch Stew says, everyone drink when Destiny says he's the Commander-in-Chief.
03:34:28.000A deflection from Trump being one man facing American bureaucracy.
03:34:31.000That one man is the head of our military, aka the Commander-in-Chief, so... I'll drink to that.
03:35:14.000I want you to go to other countries, like in Southeast Asia, that have been, like, gaining so much economic power because of the liberalization of trade between them and other countries and tell their global poor that, like, you guys don't matter.
03:35:23.000You shouldn't have access to this stuff.
03:35:26.000I mean, like, you can play that all day.
03:35:28.000It's a nationalist versus internationalist view.
03:35:30.000It's a dumb versus an actual economic point of view.
03:35:32.000The reality is, is that Trade agreements increase wealth for everybody broadly, but some people are negatively impacted, and those people have not been taken care of.
03:35:48.000Slagle Customs says, the very beginning of COVID-19, Trump held a live interview with every single governor in the United States and discussed what they needed and who to contact, both in private and public sector, and took suggestions to improve.
03:36:00.000He actually did get praise from Cuomo and Newsom, and one other Democrat, I think, too.
03:36:06.000They said that he was doing a great job in helping them out, and it was tremendous.
03:36:08.000Yeah, in regards to some specific things, I believe Cuomo was specifically talking about getting equipment from the federal government in terms of PPE and, like, ventilators and stuff.
03:36:15.000I think he did say, like, yeah, this was good that they were able to...
03:38:20.000So here's something from a computer programmer perspective, okay?
03:38:23.000From somebody that's absolutely not a programmer, okay?
03:38:25.000Anytime you go to make a new project, the number one question you always ask yourself, and anybody, and I know there are a lot of programmers out there, the first thing you ask is, has this been done before?
03:38:32.000Because you do not reinvent the wheel on anything.
03:38:35.000Anybody that's starting any kind of business, what you do is you find out, okay, well, what works?
03:38:38.000And then, hey, if this works, copy it.
03:38:40.000Because if I'm going to pay somebody hours to work on something, I'm not going to pay you to do something that somebody else has already done for me.
03:38:44.000When it comes to healthcare, every single other OECD country in the world has some form of at least multi-payer system, except for like, I think like Switzerland, or like one other country that doesn't, one really small country, or like Luxembourg or something, I don't know.
03:39:04.000Like, I just, like, we can try to theorize, like, the optimal healthcare system or whatever, but like, why not just copy what everyone else does?
03:39:10.000We do have better technology, better access, better treatments.
03:39:15.000The reason we don't have universal health care is because the insurance industries are predatory and they're bribing politicians— Ah, it's simplistic.
03:39:21.000It is simplistic, but it's also Occam's razor.
03:39:23.000It's so obvious that the resistance that's generated by these people— In Europe, they had people dying in the streets after World War II and had no choice.
03:39:30.000In the U.S., we've built a complete function of, like, 22% or whatever of our economy around it.
03:39:35.000But it's, like, $22,000 for an emergency room.
03:39:44.000I don't know anybody that's had a friend— I had a friend growing up that worked at McDonald's, and he was a slave to them forever, because he was a Type 1 diabetic, and he can't leave because of the pre-existing— What are they— It's like neo-feudalism, essentially.
03:39:54.000Basically, yeah, because I get my healthcare through them.
03:39:57.000You know, and that's why I think EpiPens and insulin, two really good examples of things that should be cheaper, and that's why I think base level coverage I'd be totally down for.
03:40:07.000There's, man, you know what also comes down to with things like healthcare is it's a massive, massive system with millions of jobs tied into it.
03:40:15.000Yeah, the NHS in the UK is huge, yeah.
03:40:17.000It's not so easy to be like, can we jump this entire system and move it over to, like, a national system?
03:40:23.000So for me, I usually just sit back and say, like, I can't answer these questions for you, man.
03:40:25.000That's one of the reasons why I like things like, for instance, like, a Medicare or Medicaid expansion.
03:40:29.000Because we take something that already works that most people seem to like quite a bit, and then you just open that up to more and more people, or give them the opportunity to join, and then turn that into some form of policy.
03:40:36.000I don't like the progressives abolishing private healthcare.
03:40:38.000No, that's the dumbest thing in the world.
03:40:41.000They fought for that during the primary season, and they lost hard, even though they're all crying about it on Twitter saying- Because nobody does that.
03:40:48.000Okay, let me be very, very, very, very, very clear.
03:40:49.000The health insurance program that Bernie Sanders was suggesting would have been the most extreme healthcare plan in any country in the world.
03:42:49.000Friends, we will be back tomorrow at 8 p.m., and I don't normally announce a guest, but it's going to be Luke again, and we're going to have a good time, just because I know he's here.