Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - John McAfee Got Epstein'd, Then Posts Crazy Image AFTER He Died w-Michael Knowles

00:00:00.000 I'm at my friend Tim Pool's house.

00:00:23.000 Oh, it's very, very fine.

00:00:25.000 I'm at my friend Tim Poole's house.

00:00:30.000 Oh, it's very, very fine.

00:00:35.000 I'm here to sell my book.

00:00:36.000 It's speechless controlling words controlling minds Beautiful!

00:00:41.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:00:42.000 So this guy Michael Knowles shows up to my house and he notices there's a guitar in the

00:00:52.000 corner and he was like, what's all that about?

00:00:55.000 I was like, hey, go play it.

00:00:56.000 And then just like literally 30 seconds before we're about to go live, he writes that.

00:01:01.000 And I was like, wait, wait, wait, let's open with that.

00:01:03.000 Have you play that song?

00:01:05.000 So there's news today.

00:01:06.000 Big news outside of Speechless by Michael Knowles.

00:01:09.000 Your book.

00:01:10.000 John McAfee, man.

00:01:12.000 Poor guy.

00:01:13.000 Epstein.

00:01:14.000 He?

00:01:14.000 You think so?

00:01:15.000 Yeah, there's no... I think the conspiracy theory is that John McAfee killed himself in prison, right?

00:01:22.000 That is the least plausible explanation.

00:01:24.000 Well, definitely, I want to save it because this is going to be big, so we'll just do quick intros, but the long story short is McAfee has repeatedly said he would never take his own life.

00:01:34.000 They're now reporting he apparently did.

00:01:37.000 He was about to be extradited back to the U.S.

00:01:39.000 where he said they were going to get him.

00:01:40.000 They were claiming he had crypto hidden and owed tax dollars he wasn't paying.

00:01:44.000 And now this.

00:01:45.000 Now they're saying they found him dead and it's apparent suicide.

00:01:48.000 But we're going to go through the tweets, the things he's posted, and the actual conspiracy theory.

00:01:53.000 We got General Mark Milley saying that white rage caused January 6th.

00:01:53.000 Plus some other news.

00:01:58.000 Yikes.

00:01:59.000 And Joe Biden is going after guns again.

00:02:01.000 He's going to be diverting, what is it, $350 billion from COVID funding into going after guns or something like that?

00:02:07.000 I mean, this is nuts.

00:02:08.000 But I want to make sure I get the facts right, so we'll get to those stories.

00:02:11.000 But as you may have already noticed, Michael Knowles is hanging out.

00:02:13.000 He actually opened the show with a song.

00:02:16.000 How's it going, man?

00:02:17.000 It's going great.

00:02:18.000 I am so exhausted because this is book week.

00:02:21.000 So the book Speechless came out yesterday and they just send you on this tour and you just, you're talking, I've been shilling this thing for six months but now this is the week to do it.

00:02:30.000 So I'm really glad we could get a little music going, loosen up a little.

00:02:33.000 Plus I think we've already done enough shilling for your book personally on this show.

00:02:38.000 I haven't yet though.

00:02:39.000 If I hit the bestseller list, It is because of you.

00:02:42.000 It was this show that did it.

00:02:44.000 Because everybody was super chatting something like, this latest news story has left me speechless, just like Speechless by Michael Noyles.

00:02:52.000 It was one of the smartest marketing campaigns, mind you.

00:02:55.000 It was a brilliant marketing campaign that I never thought of.

00:03:00.000 I guess you guys put together a montage of me getting caught by the super chats and being like, oh, they got me.

00:03:08.000 So yeah, yeah, we'll definitely we'll talk about all that as well. We got you. Hey everybody Ian cross. Oh, what's up,

00:03:13.000 Michael?

00:03:13.000 I'm so glad your books out now. I want to hear all about it tonight. I'm excited. I'm done. I'm done. I've never I've

00:03:18.000 said everything I have to say

00:03:20.000 Retirement looks good. It does you know, I am loving Tim cast the musical

00:03:26.000 I would like to make this a normal thing.

00:03:28.000 Michael's skill is very much appreciated.

00:03:31.000 I'm excited for tonight.

00:03:32.000 Yeah, I was impressed.

00:03:33.000 That was a good song.

00:03:36.000 Top of your head.

00:03:37.000 Right on.

00:03:37.000 You know, these days I'm really branching out.

00:03:40.000 You know, I think this is what Nancy Pelosi sold Obamacare.

00:03:43.000 She said, you can just explore your arts.

00:03:45.000 You can be a poet.

00:03:46.000 You can be a musician.

00:03:47.000 So that's what I'm doing.

00:03:48.000 Boom.

00:03:48.000 There you go.

00:03:48.000 Perfect.

00:03:49.000 All right, well, we gotta get to these stories.

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00:06:26.000 Let's jump into this first story, the one that no one believes but is being reported anyway.

00:06:31.000 Wall Street Journal says John McAfee, antivirus software creator, is found dead in Spanish jail.

00:06:37.000 Notice the headline they used.

00:06:39.000 Many other networks are saying from apparent suicide or was found dead due to suicide.

00:06:43.000 Not the Wall Street Journal.

00:06:44.000 They say he's just found dead.

00:06:46.000 Spanish court had ordered his extradition to the U.S.

00:06:49.000 where he faced tax-related criminal charges.

00:06:51.000 They say, the Manhattan U.S.

00:06:53.000 Attorney's Office also sought the extradition of Mr. McAfee in a separate criminal case.

00:06:58.000 John was and will always be remembered as a fighter, said Nishay K. Sinan, an attorney representing Mr. McAfee in U.S.

00:07:04.000 criminal proceedings.

00:07:05.000 He tried to love this country, but the U.S.

00:07:07.000 government made his existence impossible.

00:07:09.000 Now, I'm going to jump over to this article from Cassandra Fairbanks over at TimCast.com, because she actually breaks down what makes this story so interesting. 1.00

00:07:16.000 In Cassandra's article, she notes several tweets from McAfee himself.

00:07:20.000 He tweeted once, getting subtle messages from US officials saying in effect, 0.98

00:07:24.000 we're coming for you McAfee, we're going to kill yourself. 0.99

00:07:28.000 I got a tattoo today just in case. If I suicide myself, I didn't, I was whacked. 1.00

00:07:32.000 Check my right arm. And he has a tattoo on his right arm that says, it's a dollar sign and whacked.

00:07:38.000 She also mentions a year before that tweet he claimed, if I hang myself a la Epstein, it will be no fault of mine.

00:07:47.000 The eccentric figure was arrested by Spanish authorities on October 3rd, 2020 at the El Prat airport at the behest of the US government.

00:07:53.000 He was wanted for evading paying millions of dollars in taxes.

00:07:56.000 He was facing up to 30 years in prison.

00:07:58.000 Here's another tweet from John McAfee who said, powerful people who commit crimes have only one enemy, those who reveal crimes.

00:08:04.000 And it's a photo of Julian Assange.

00:08:06.000 There's another photo from another tweet from McAfee where he said, I have nothing yet I regret nothing.

00:08:10.000 The US believes I've hidden crypto.

00:08:12.000 I wish I did, but it has dissolved through the many hands of Team McAfee.

00:08:16.000 He says, and my remaining assets have all been seized.

00:08:18.000 My friends evaporated through fear of association.

00:08:21.000 So this is what makes the story so interesting.

00:08:24.000 Which is the more plausible conspiracy?

00:08:26.000 Because no matter what you choose to believe, it's a conspiracy.

00:08:28.000 Right.

00:08:29.000 Did McAfee kill himself?

00:08:31.000 Well, that's a conspiracy.

00:08:32.000 Someone killed him, right?

00:08:33.000 Who did it and why?

00:08:35.000 They're saying it was a suicide.

00:08:36.000 Or did he... I should say, if he did kill himself, that means everything he tweeted was an elaborate plot to manipulate people in the event he actually did, or whatever.

00:08:46.000 Maybe he changed his mind.

00:08:47.000 And if he didn't actually do it, then who actually killed the guy?

00:08:50.000 So, I'm just gonna say this.

00:08:52.000 People are saying he got Epstein'd.

00:08:55.000 That's the verb they're using.

00:08:56.000 Which makes the assumption that what people think about Epstein, and we all know that story.

00:09:02.000 In this instance, I'm just gonna say it.

00:09:05.000 McAfee repeatedly said he would never kill himself.

00:09:08.000 That means you would have to believe he set up an elaborate plot to manipulate everybody in the event he actually did.

00:09:15.000 Because not only are they saying it is suicide when he said he wouldn't do it, but after he died, we get this.

00:09:21.000 Mike Rothschild says, John McAfee's final Instagram post.

00:09:24.000 A giant Q. The post went up around 1.15 Pacific Time, meaning he was likely already dead, but he or someone else on his team knew exactly what to do to achieve maximum-ish posting effect.

00:09:37.000 Okay.

00:09:38.000 So what is it?

00:09:39.000 What's going on?

00:09:40.000 You know what this tells you?

00:09:42.000 This tells you, forget about McAfee for a second.

00:09:44.000 It's very sad that he died.

00:09:46.000 Forget about whatever happened in Spain or whatever the crimes are.

00:09:50.000 This tells you what people think about their own government right now.

00:09:54.000 The fact that we use Epstein as a verb tells you what people think about their own government.

00:09:59.000 If this were an earlier era, I don't know.

00:10:02.000 ago. Some guys found dead of suicide. The idea that the federal government would have killed him would be very outlandish

00:10:02.000 I don't know.

00:10:11.000 to Americans. I actually don't think they would have had such distrust in their government that they would have said

00:10:16.000 that. I don't know. You think they always would have? You know one of the issues I often deal with is like a youth

00:10:23.000 bias right. So I grew up kind of you know bright eyed bushy tailed believing in America. I

00:10:28.000 I had a family that still taught me about, you know, like, not just the, let's call it the colonial perspective.

00:10:37.000 Not a woke family by any means, but, you know, very analytical one.

00:10:41.000 And I believed in this country.

00:10:43.000 And then I think back to, like, when I see all these political conflicts, I'm like, this is the worst it's ever been.

00:10:48.000 And then I'm like, but I've heard about the weather underground.

00:10:50.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 So I wonder if it really is the worst it's ever been or just the worst I've ever seen.

00:10:55.000 In which case, you think about, you know, certain civil rights figures who were killed.

00:11:00.000 Yeah, Martin Luther King.

00:11:01.000 I mean, there's a conspiracy.

00:11:03.000 He actually, a civil suit was settled with his family.

00:11:05.000 I think it was in 2001.

00:11:06.000 That the FBI?

00:11:07.000 Yeah, I think it was the FBI or CIA, but somebody was like involved with his death and his family got paid out by the government.

00:11:13.000 I don't know a whole lot about it, so I don't want to wade too much into conspiratorial territory, but wasn't there like a letter sent to him by some Fed telling him to kill himself or something like that?

00:11:20.000 Well, you know, it's certainly the case that the federal government was keeping tabs on him, as they were on many other radical figures.

00:11:20.000 I don't know.

00:11:27.000 And in most of these cases, by the way, the simplest explanation is usually the one that I'll go with.

00:11:34.000 So in the killing of Kennedy, there are a million theories on how Kennedy was killed.

00:11:39.000 The communists wanted to kill him.

00:11:40.000 A communist said that he killed him. 0.65

00:11:42.000 And then we were told that a communist killed him, and he was an anti-communist.

00:11:45.000 So I kind of go with it.

00:11:47.000 You know, I kind of believe it.

00:11:49.000 In this case, though, We have seen, every single American, such corruption from the federal agencies in just the last five years.

00:12:00.000 The federal agencies being turned on a political opponent during the 2016 race to try to subvert that election.

00:12:06.000 Then they continued to go after Trump after he was in office.

00:12:09.000 Then the complete dishonesty that we've gotten from the federal government and the international community during COVID, during the lockdowns, changing his story every day.

00:12:18.000 This is a real political problem.

00:12:20.000 When we assume that the federal government is just popping people off in prison, and we just shrug our shoulders, what's going to happen with the McAfee story?

00:12:29.000 Nothing.

00:12:30.000 What happened with the Epstein story?

00:12:31.000 Nothing.

00:12:32.000 We laughed about it.

00:12:33.000 We turned it into a meme.

00:12:34.000 To me, that is more distressing, actually, than any of these discrete incidents.

00:12:38.000 We're in that dystopia.

00:12:40.000 Yeah.

00:12:41.000 And nothing's being done to get justice.

00:12:43.000 The system is completely broken.

00:12:45.000 There's that story right now of this grandma who got a misdemeanor charge for the insurrection, which really does set a, you know, a sledgehammer to the narrative.

00:12:53.000 Oh, some little old lady got a misdemeanor slap on the wrist for what you call an insurrection. 1.00

00:12:58.000 They couldn't even get these people.

00:12:58.000 Come on.

00:13:00.000 But you look at still the lopsided prosecution of this, where in New York, it was just reported by the New York Post, hundreds of charges related to looting and rioting were dropped.

00:13:08.000 The majority of charges in the Bronx and in Manhattan, the majority of them, completely dismissed.

00:13:14.000 And then the other ones, by the way, where people are looting, where people are robbing, pled down to trespassing, which carries no jail time, a very simple charge.

00:13:23.000 January 6th, though, is an insurrection.

00:13:25.000 These people are rotting solitary.

00:13:26.000 If you put on the horn helmet and you go dance on Nancy Pelosi's lectern, that is a crime against humanity for which you need to go to Gitmo.

00:13:35.000 Obviously, the double standard is preposterous.

00:13:37.000 You think of this little old granny from the Capitol riot. 1.00

00:13:40.000 If she had just thrown a Molotov cocktail at a courthouse in Minneapolis, she'd get off scot-free.

00:13:45.000 But there's obviously a massive double standard here.

00:13:48.000 To be fair, though, the ones they go after What is that phrase we keep hearing with January 6th?

00:13:52.000 The coup!

00:13:52.000 government building. So like in the instance of Portland, most of the ones, most of these

00:13:56.000 rioters and looters who smash up small businesses and punch cops, eh, no problem there. But,

00:14:01.000 but the ones who actually set fire to the police building, yeah, they're getting charged.

00:14:06.000 Because that's, that's, that's, that's the way it works.

00:14:08.000 You go after the government, they throw the book at you. But the, you have to private

00:14:11.000 citizens, they don't care. 1.00

00:14:13.000 What is that phrase we keep hearing with January 6th, the coup, the insurrection, you know,

00:14:19.000 the phrase we, we keep hearing is that this is a threat to our democracy, our, and.

00:14:27.000 I'm reminded of this point by Angelo Cotevilla.

00:14:29.000 He's a scholar at the Claremont Institute who points out that The people who talk about our democracy tend to be referring to their oligarchy.

00:14:39.000 They don't seem to be very democratic at all.

00:14:41.000 I know John McCain started calling people friends.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, friend in 2008.

00:14:46.000 I think he was running for president in 2008.

00:14:48.000 And he just kept saying friend.

00:14:50.000 And it was like, I'm not your friend.

00:14:52.000 No one really is.

00:14:53.000 So cut it out.

00:14:55.000 Yeah, I loved it.

00:14:56.000 So I was one of those people that said, you know, sad to see John McCain pass when he did.

00:15:01.000 But like literally every political quadrant of the political spectrum, there was a meme where it was like, centrists were like, you know, I can pay respects in death.

00:15:11.000 And the authoritarian left, libertarian left, libertarian right, authoritarian right, were all like, he was awful and evil and good riddance.

00:15:17.000 But anyway, going back to the McAfee thing, I'm talking about this conspiracy.

00:15:21.000 This post that goes up on his Instagram, the big Q.

00:15:24.000 What was John McAfee wanted for? He wasn't some political figure. It was tax evasion.

00:15:24.000 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 So I have to, I'll say this. I can understand the idea that some people might say,

00:15:34.000 look, the guy was a troll. And so he knew that doing everything he did would create

00:15:39.000 this conspiracy in his death. And that's what he was going for. John McAfee. So I stopped and I

00:15:45.000 say, yeah, he was a troll. He He loved it. 0.93

00:15:48.000 He loved every minute of it.

00:15:50.000 Even being in prison, he was still posting.

00:15:53.000 I don't think the guy would want to end that.

00:15:55.000 He was old, sure, but the dude loved doing these things with the media, with Twitter, with social media.

00:16:03.000 I just don't see it.

00:16:07.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:16:07.000 The fact that we can't name what the crime was is kind of weird, isn't it?

00:16:14.000 Tax evasion?

00:16:16.000 I guess it's tax evasion.

00:16:17.000 There was some issue in Latin America.

00:16:19.000 Someone was killed, do you remember?

00:16:20.000 This was years ago at this point.

00:16:23.000 I worked for Vice, I know all about it.

00:16:24.000 That's right, you have a sort of association to this story.

00:16:28.000 Obviously the guy lived a colorful life, to say the very least, but the fact that this guy was being held in a Spanish prison, the U.S.

00:16:34.000 is trying to extradite him, he's a very well-known figure, but all the details are kind of murky, and then he winds up dead after saying he would never kill himself?

00:16:44.000 That's like out of a thriller movie.

00:16:47.000 The challenge is this dude's life was so fantastical that you have to wonder how much of it was him being a storyteller.

00:16:53.000 Right.

00:16:54.000 So, is this a guy who was old, no money left, in prison, and so he was like, my last hoorah is gonna be the best troll ever pulled off by anyone.

00:17:03.000 Oh, rather than get stuck in prison and just rot away.

00:17:06.000 Yeah, he's an old, old guy, and he was like, I am gonna pull off the greatest troll in the history of mankind.

00:17:11.000 He's on the verge of it.

00:17:12.000 It could be, but the thing is, People who are actually brought to do that, to take their own life.

00:17:18.000 This is not some flippant thing.

00:17:19.000 It's not just a joke on Twitter.

00:17:23.000 You're coming face-to-face with your mortality.

00:17:26.000 The people who tend to do that, in my experience and having read about these things, they don't seem to be exuberant at the last moment.

00:17:34.000 That would be quite a show to put on.

00:17:34.000 I don't know.

00:17:37.000 That's why ultimately I don't believe it.

00:17:39.000 The dude was such a bombastic character who enjoyed every minute of it.

00:17:46.000 I just don't see him being like, this is the end of the line for me.

00:17:48.000 You get weird stories.

00:17:49.000 Some people will clean their whole house before they kill themselves. 0.77

00:17:52.000 And you're like, what the heck?

00:17:53.000 Cause they didn't want to leave a mess.

00:17:54.000 Like it's just really weird psychology going on.

00:17:56.000 I don't know if he was just beaten down in prison, if he was being tortured, if he, if he was under threat of like torture and like going to give up some people that he actually did give his money to that now he's just kind of lied and killed himself to protect them.

00:18:08.000 Well, one of the things he said in one of his tweets earlier was that all the Bitcoin that he had amassed had kind of disappeared to, I think, Tim McAfee, which is kind of interesting to me.

00:18:16.000 So he's already saying that he doesn't have any money.

00:18:19.000 So I don't know if you're going to die.

00:18:21.000 And if you are an ish poster in life, then you might want to be one in death as well. 0.93

00:18:25.000 I don't know what he was doing.

00:18:26.000 You know, like he would tweet a lot about how he had, he was going to name names and he had evidence of stuff.

00:18:32.000 Now here's, here's where, here's the fun part.

00:18:34.000 Apparently he posted that, you know, someone asked him, I hope you set up dead man switches that in the event you,

00:18:39.000 you are, you know, taken out or something, they'll get released.

00:18:42.000 And he says, I have, and they will, and I'll name names and it'll all come out.

00:18:45.000 That's why the, the cue that was posted on Instagram has a lot of people going like, Oh, is this it?

00:18:50.000 Is it going to happen?

00:18:52.000 Somebody who knew him posted it.

00:18:53.000 I'm not convinced.

00:18:55.000 Many millenarian cults around the world have said, on this date, this is when it will all change.

00:19:01.000 This is the fight.

00:19:02.000 Everything is going to be different.

00:19:04.000 And it just never is.

00:19:06.000 And whether it's with the election, whether it's with some corruption in the federal government, I keep waiting for the date and it never comes around.

00:19:14.000 Epstein is trending nationwide on Twitter.

00:19:17.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:19.000 That's the part that really creeps me out the most.

00:19:22.000 What are the guards in that story?

00:19:24.000 They lied, right?

00:19:25.000 That's the news that came out?

00:19:27.000 They lied.

00:19:29.000 Something weird went down.

00:19:31.000 He fell off his top bunk with a sheet tied around his neck.

00:19:33.000 Is that the story?

00:19:35.000 I don't know, man.

00:19:36.000 And these very sort of dainty, Clinton-esque fingerprints on his throat.

00:19:41.000 I don't know.

00:19:42.000 I think he said the week before he died that someone was trying to poison him.

00:19:42.000 It's weird.

00:19:45.000 What is his cellmate attacked him?

00:19:48.000 Oh, really?

00:19:48.000 Yeah.

00:19:49.000 Yeah.

00:19:50.000 And that's why people are calling it getting Epstein.

00:19:53.000 Yeah, I do. 0.98

00:19:54.000 I do like the way he phrased it, though, when he said the feds were saying, I will kill yourself.

00:20:00.000 Yeah, well, the really sad thing about this for me, obviously, you feel bad for his family and his friends.

00:20:08.000 What are we going to do about it?

00:20:09.000 I mean, even forget the McAfee thing for a second.

00:20:12.000 I guess I don't really feel bad for Epstein's friends.

00:20:14.000 That's one.

00:20:15.000 Limits of sympathy are only so much.

00:20:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:18.000 What are we going to do about it?

00:20:19.000 If we are all... I think probably the vast majority of Americans believe that Jeffrey Epstein was offed or someone was permitted to off him or there was some corruption involved.

00:20:30.000 And yet... And that's the way the government works.

00:20:35.000 I gotta say, I love it.

00:20:36.000 The best tweet out of the entire, when the story broke, was it was Chris Ragon who said he got into an Uber and the driver immediately turns and goes, yo, that guy didn't kill himself.

00:20:47.000 Like this random Uber driver said that.

00:20:50.000 And look, I honestly don't know.

00:20:52.000 It is possible.

00:20:53.000 I think we got to check our movie biases.

00:20:56.000 Like here's the example I always use.

00:20:57.000 people think silencers go pew pew pew like they don't they go whap whap really loud um

00:21:03.000 they're amazing by the way they do you know you're outside and you're like the first time

00:21:06.000 I ever fired a suppressor I was like wow not like a movie though still ridiculously loud

00:21:11.000 and you can follow the sound to go find your friends when they're at the range or whatever

00:21:15.000 but because of the movies people genuinely believe these things

00:21:19.000 So when you see a story like Epstein, there really is a simple solution that the dude was at the end of his rope.

00:21:24.000 And the same is true for McAfee, the same is true for Epstein.

00:21:26.000 Very literally at the end of his rope.

00:21:29.000 Look, you can even think about it.

00:21:30.000 Now, first of all, I certainly think there's a lot of malfeasance, corruption, something weird happened with Epstein.

00:21:35.000 But it's not out of the realm of possibility.

00:21:36.000 It's actually very likely.

00:21:38.000 I wouldn't say I would weight it as the most probable.

00:21:42.000 But here you got a guy who was living large, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars from who knows where, doing whatever he wanted to do.

00:21:48.000 Some people think it was blackmail.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:49.000 They got him.

00:21:51.000 Imagine if this guy's whole MO was that he was filming these elites in compromising positions and then blackmailing them.

00:21:58.000 And they were scared that if they went against him, he'd release footage of them.

00:22:01.000 That's like one of the conspiracy theories.

00:22:04.000 Now imagine he ends up in prison having lost, and he knows he's done, and you've got a lot of people, wealthy individuals, who are sweating bullets.

00:22:12.000 It may have just been that the elites he was blackmailing, should he have been?

00:22:15.000 If he was, I'm not saying he was.

00:22:17.000 He just lost.

00:22:18.000 Or at the very least, he went from very, very... Here's what I said at the time.

00:22:21.000 I'm like, here's a guy who's got his own private island.

00:22:24.000 He was living the biggest life a human could hope to live, and now he's in a prison cell.

00:22:30.000 It's possible.

00:22:31.000 I mean, here's a person who just, like, finally says, okay.

00:22:33.000 And with McAfee, the same thing, uh, same thing.

00:22:36.000 Here's a guy who's really old, he's had his adventures, had his journeys, and now they're gonna lock him away for 30 years.

00:22:40.000 How old was he?

00:22:41.000 I actually didn't- He's born in 45, yeah, so.

00:22:43.000 Oh, okay.

00:22:44.000 He's older.

00:22:45.000 He's older than I thought he was.

00:22:47.000 Still, I mean, it's not 95, you know?

00:22:47.000 75.

00:22:49.000 But still, that's up there.

00:22:49.000 Right.

00:22:51.000 But maybe he was, like, 30 years in prison?

00:22:54.000 I'm a goth bang.

00:22:55.000 Yeah.

00:22:55.000 Yeah, that's what I think.

00:22:56.000 I think he just, I think he took his own life.

00:22:56.000 I don't know.

00:22:58.000 It's tough to say.

00:22:59.000 The thing is, the government, doesn't like copycat criminals, which is part of why they're cracking down so hard on people that are violating federal buildings and federal property.

00:23:07.000 And the reason why they go after people for tax evasion, because if McAfee gets away with millions of dollars tax evasion, gets away with it.

00:23:13.000 A lot of people.

00:23:14.000 This is my problem with it, though.

00:23:16.000 Of course, people at the end of the rope can off themselves.

00:23:18.000 And that's happened plenty of times.

00:23:21.000 He's a pretty high value individual.

00:23:23.000 He's a pretty high profile prisoner.

00:23:25.000 Jeffrey Epstein was the most high profile prisoner in the whole system.

00:23:30.000 How do you just get allowed to kill yourself?

00:23:33.000 Aren't there cameras?

00:23:34.000 I don't know.

00:23:34.000 I have like a ring doorbell.

00:23:36.000 Oh, the camera malfunctioned.

00:23:38.000 Oh, I forgot.

00:23:39.000 And the two guards malfunctioned.

00:23:41.000 And lied about it.

00:23:42.000 So, when we used to put people on suicide watch at the hospital, you would take everything from their room.

00:23:49.000 You couldn't have a call light with a cord.

00:23:51.000 You couldn't have metal utensils to eat with.

00:23:53.000 You got a paper tray.

00:23:55.000 Your food was on like a styrofoam thing.

00:23:57.000 You had nothing.

00:23:58.000 You didn't have a phone with a cable.

00:24:00.000 You didn't have blinds with a cord.

00:24:02.000 You didn't have bedsheets.

00:24:03.000 You literally didn't have bedsheets.

00:24:04.000 So it shocks me on every level that they allowed this to happen, especially since Epstein had tried to commit suicide.

00:24:09.000 This is why he was by himself.

00:24:11.000 Let's do a bit of a hard segue here because, you know, I'm just thinking about the corruption of the elites, the ideology that permeates through them, and there's only so much we can say necessarily about or speculating on, you know, McAfee or Epstein.

00:24:28.000 But we have this other story that I want to jump into.

00:24:31.000 Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley defends teaching critical race theory in the military, slams offensive claims that troops are turning woke, and links white rage to the Capitol riot.

00:24:41.000 Now I know it's not the perfect segue off of, you know, what we were just talking about, but there is this core element of what's happening to our political elites, our establishment, our industry elites, the ideology they've embraced, and this story actually freaked me out to see Joint Chief Chairman, who's a general, Mark Milley, saying that he's reading Mao Zedong and Lenin, But that doesn't make him a communist.

00:25:03.000 And that white rage was what caused January 6th, essentially.

00:25:08.000 It's offensive to say it.

00:25:09.000 What did they say?

00:25:10.000 The general appeared to link white rage to the Capitol riot on January 6th.

00:25:14.000 Now that's one of the most freakiest things I've seen.

00:25:16.000 I mean, this is a non-theistic religion.

00:25:20.000 I guess you'd call it a cult.

00:25:21.000 Yeah.

00:25:22.000 At the highest levels of government.

00:25:24.000 Can't you just imagine the gunnery sergeant?

00:25:27.000 Did you just make a transphobic comment, soldier?

00:25:29.000 That is not my pronoun!

00:25:32.000 How dare you micro-aggress?

00:25:34.000 Sorry, I thought I was supposed to macro-aggress.

00:25:36.000 Right, I have a gun for that reason, but apparently... So I have to wonder about... These are people who believe there is no truth but power.

00:25:44.000 They have routinely said there is no objective reality, and the idea that there is no truth but power is... I would say to a certain degree there's an element of truth to it, but it is a very, very fascistic ideology that is being employed by the left.

00:25:56.000 When I say there's a certain element of truth, basically that means, sure, if a bunch of leftists have weapons and are beating you and then demand you say there are five lights, you can force someone to say there are five lights.

00:26:09.000 But the history books will tell you that there were right and that's what that's what the left has realized

00:26:15.000 That they can beat people in a submission to just say Falsehoods under the under the and assert it's true, and

00:26:22.000 then they're hoping that in 10 years These stories will become history right

00:26:28.000 Well, the left tells us they're doing this with the 1619 Project.

00:26:31.000 They say outright, this woman, Nicole Hannah-Jones, lied about her central thesis.

00:26:37.000 But she said, yeah, whatever.

00:26:38.000 I don't care about the facts.

00:26:39.000 I'm reframing American history to put slavery at the center of it.

00:26:43.000 And it's very effective to do that.

00:26:45.000 And that's what they're doing now in the Navy.

00:26:47.000 The military was basically the last institution that the conservatives still had some control over.

00:26:53.000 All of the other ones, the media, the schools, the administrative government, all of that

00:26:58.000 had fallen a long time ago.

00:26:59.000 And now in the military you're seeing that total infiltration.

00:27:04.000 The chief of naval operations came out and he made what I felt was such a disingenuous

00:27:09.000 argument to defend all this woke nonsense in the reading lists for the ensigns and the

00:27:14.000 sailors.

00:27:15.000 He said, we need our sailors to be critical thinkers.

00:27:18.000 And I think what he really meant is we need our sailors to be critical theorists.

00:27:22.000 You do not, if you want to be a good, effective military, you do not need to read Ibram Kendi.

00:27:29.000 The idea, by the way, that the military is some open, free marketplace of ideas, where

00:27:34.000 The military literally brainwashes you.

00:27:36.000 That's like the point of military training.

00:27:39.000 And now they're doing that in Marcuse, in Mao, in all of the people, actually, that I talk about in this book.

00:27:44.000 Speechless, coincidentally.

00:27:46.000 I mean, that is the infiltration that we've seen in all our institutions.

00:27:50.000 So now it's there.

00:27:50.000 And every moment that they're reading Kendi and Mao is a moment that they're not reading A worthwhile writer.

00:28:01.000 You know, we had Ben the other day and he said, we're winning.

00:28:03.000 We're winning.

00:28:04.000 He said he was against all the violence at the Capitol.

00:28:07.000 He was in favor of the commission investigating it.

00:28:08.000 Get to the bottom of how it happened.

00:28:10.000 Because the violence is bad.

00:28:12.000 He was like, come August 15th, when these kids go back to school, these moms in the suburbs are going to explode when they see what's being taught to these kids and what they're mandating.

00:28:21.000 Putting the kids in the corner, make them wear a mask, whatever it is.

00:28:23.000 But I really do think... Imagine what happens when... I mean, first of all, imagine this.

00:28:30.000 Your kid just turned 18, wants to join the Navy.

00:28:32.000 He comes back to visit you after basic training, and it's like, so what'd you learn? 1.00

00:28:35.000 And he's like, I learned you're an evil oppressor, white devil. 0.99

00:28:38.000 They're gonna be like, What? 1.00

00:28:40.000 That's basic training?

00:28:41.000 You're supposed to, like, be hardened and get in shape.

00:28:44.000 People were so shocked when the Navy... No, it wasn't even the Navy.

00:28:47.000 There are a lot of jokes to make about the Navy over this.

00:28:49.000 But it wasn't even the Navy.

00:28:51.000 It was the Army came out with that ad.

00:28:52.000 Yes.

00:28:53.000 And they said, you know, it was that cartoon of the young girl.

00:28:55.000 And she said, I became a strong soldier because my lesbian moms took me to pride parades as a kid.

00:29:01.000 You think, oh, OK, I don't know about that.

00:29:03.000 This is not by accident.

00:29:05.000 I mean, we can laugh about it and say, oh, how funny, the CIA went woke.

00:29:08.000 The CIA has actually been woke for a long time.

00:29:10.000 But the army went woke.

00:29:12.000 The purpose of this is to attract leftist people and to repel conservative people to finish that infiltration of the institutions.

00:29:20.000 And it's obviously working.

00:29:24.000 That is a very dangerous thing.

00:29:25.000 Because once that one goes, we're out.

00:29:27.000 We're out of the culture, aren't we?

00:29:29.000 Yeah, this is, this is the first time I've really thought of this is life and death, um, for our species.

00:29:35.000 If, if the, not that the American military is like the one is like the great protector.

00:29:40.000 There's a lot of, we, I have pretty big United States bias.

00:29:43.000 Obviously I come from the U S I've been taught propaganda, US propaganda.

00:29:47.000 It's pretty cool though.

00:29:49.000 And if it gets, uh, if it gets co-opted, not only did it lose a war, but it's on the side of that, which co-opted it.

00:29:56.000 So it's like double your enemy.

00:29:57.000 It is, you know, the critical theory of it all.

00:30:00.000 I know this is the these terms get thrown around now and now

00:30:02.000 the left is retreating into this nominalism of well what really

00:30:05.000 is critical theory what really is.

00:30:07.000 But the theory is very simple.

00:30:09.000 The theory is to criticize whenever some whenever some reporter tries to have a gotcha with what is critical race

00:30:16.000 theory.

00:30:17.000 Very simply, it's to ruthlessly criticize all that exists in the words of Marx.

00:30:21.000 So that's what they're doing.

00:30:23.000 And the idea that we need deconstruction in the military, we need destruction from the military, but we don't need deconstruction within the military.

00:30:30.000 That's a recipe for national death, which is probably what they want.

00:30:33.000 I mean, physical deconstruction of foreign military bases with use of ordinance.

00:30:40.000 Yes.

00:30:41.000 Philosophical deconstruction of the system in place, which we use to defend our country.

00:30:46.000 Not so much, but that's what's happening.

00:30:47.000 But do you know, this I think brings up an important point for conservatives or even people who are just not woke, who are kind of normal.

00:30:54.000 The reason they fail a lot of the time is because they are arguing in fantasy world American government.

00:31:02.000 So that when they make arguments about American politics, they're making arguments about the three branches of government, and the checks and balances, and the separation, and the thing that you probably are no longer taught in civics class, but you used to be taught.

00:31:13.000 The left is playing in the political realities.

00:31:16.000 Where are our laws made?

00:31:18.000 Are they, I am a bill and I call myself... You know, you're made on Capitol Hill and then you... No!

00:31:23.000 Our bills are made by some faceless, nameless bureaucrat in some gray building in Washington, D.C.

00:31:29.000 or even outside of Washington, D.C.

00:31:31.000 Our laws are effectively made by oligarchs in Silicon Valley.

00:31:34.000 As Mitch McConnell pointed out the other day, they behave like a woke parallel government.

00:31:38.000 The left knows that, so they engage in politics in a much more effective way, because they go where the power really is, not the fantasy of where power used to be a hundred years ago.

00:31:48.000 This is why I think what you guys over at The Daily Wire are doing with movies and things is so important, building culture, and that's why I...

00:31:56.000 Want to do the exact same thing, right?

00:31:57.000 So I mentioned we have this paranormal writer who's joining.

00:31:59.000 We want to write more than just news. 0.61

00:32:02.000 Doing a show about ghosts and Bigfoot, it sounds really silly.

00:32:07.000 A lot of people who are much more intelligent or well-versed in politics might be like, how is this going to explain to people what's happening?

00:32:17.000 And it's like, no, no, no, it's not.

00:32:18.000 What it's going to do is it's going to get a bunch of regular people who don't understand anything to be like, oh, I love TimCast.com.

00:32:23.000 They do that Bigfoot show.

00:32:24.000 It's amazing.

00:32:25.000 Oh, cool.

00:32:26.000 What's he saying about politics?

00:32:28.000 What's he saying about government?

00:32:29.000 Well, you'll also see on the website news stories.

00:32:32.000 And then you might click on a news story and say, I didn't realize Russiagate was fake news because I only ever watch CNN.

00:32:37.000 So we do things that are fun to create a welcoming, inspirational, and fun place where you can also get access to information that you maybe won't get in other places.

00:32:46.000 Culture building is so important.

00:32:47.000 Breitbart knew it.

00:32:48.000 Politics is downstream from culture.

00:32:50.000 The left is fighting in that arena.

00:32:52.000 And when it comes to this general, Millie, the things he's saying, what do you think... I'll say this, there's a phrase, out of sight out of mind.

00:33:02.000 You ever notice that thing where you'll hear a word for the first time, and then all of a sudden you'll hear it everywhere?

00:33:07.000 Or you'll see a car for the first time, you'll buy a car and then all of a sudden you see it everywhere?

00:33:12.000 I don't know, but it's the general idea, you know, out of sight, out of mind.

00:33:16.000 When you're thinking of something, you'll start to see it more.

00:33:19.000 If you constantly fight the culture war in the leftist terms, then what happens is, you are arguing, is critical race theory, the idea that X, Y, and Z, right or wrong?

00:33:32.000 What happens then is, you have a lot of people say, critical race theory.

00:33:34.000 Huh, I agree with it.

00:33:36.000 Critical race theory, I disagree with it.

00:33:38.000 What if instead of even arguing about critical race theory, you argued gun rights?

00:33:41.000 So no one was even talking about those ideas.

00:33:44.000 Those ideas would never spread.

00:33:45.000 Republicans and conservatives don't fight on their own battlefield.

00:33:49.000 And you know, probably the most sympathetic historian of critical theory, Martin Jay, who I actually discuss in this book, speechless, Martin Jay made this point that critical theory is not so much an academic system as it is a gadfly on other systems.

00:34:05.000 So critical theory is just this analytical lens that kind of infiltrates history and

00:34:10.000 literature and just every... now it's infiltrating the hard sciences for goodness sake.

00:34:13.000 It's fire.

00:34:14.000 Yes, it's just kind of spreading throughout the university.

00:34:17.000 But you know, on the Breitbart point though, I do think there needs to be an addendum or

00:34:21.000 a caveat to it, which is what Breitbart said is true.

00:34:24.000 Culture influences politics, no doubt.

00:34:26.000 But because what he said is a slogan and all slogans are wrong, it also needs to be corrected, which is culture is downstream of politics, too.

00:34:34.000 Politics influences culture.

00:34:35.000 I think of East Germany.

00:34:37.000 East Germany is atheist today.

00:34:38.000 West Germany is religious today. 0.95

00:34:40.000 It ain't because of the bratwurst.

00:34:41.000 It's because of the Officially atheist government that dominated there for decades and decades.

00:34:46.000 So I just think the left... It could be they killed all of those people and all that's left, you know, for real though.

00:34:52.000 Yes, and you think... And that's politics? 1.00

00:34:54.000 The left is really good at making movies and coming up with stupid academic theories. 1.00

00:34:58.000 Not anymore. 1.00

00:34:59.000 Well, I suppose that... Well, yes and no.

00:35:01.000 I'll get into that in a second.

00:35:03.000 They also engage in the politics, right?

00:35:05.000 They also dominate on that, too.

00:35:08.000 You do have a good point, though, on, you know, they're still the ones making the movies, but they are increasingly unwatchable.

00:35:13.000 Did you see the Karen trailer?

00:35:16.000 Is it real?

00:35:17.000 I don't know.

00:35:18.000 It is real.

00:35:18.000 Yeah.

00:35:21.000 What it's like a movie about this like white neighbor who harasses her black neighbor Right, it's bad.

00:35:26.000 Did you see it?

00:35:27.000 I don't I don't ask you to watch the movie But is it supposed to be like that movie the room where it's just really bad funny.

00:35:36.000 Oh But even that was supposed to be good.

00:35:37.000 Tommy Wiseau really thought it was good.

00:35:40.000 He's now claiming it was meant to be bad.

00:35:43.000 But it became a cult classic.

00:35:44.000 So, you know, you gotta watch out for that.

00:35:46.000 But then you look at things like Ghostbusters.

00:35:48.000 There are a lot of movies... No, no, no.

00:35:50.000 You know what takes the cake is The Craft.

00:35:52.000 Have you seen the new The Craft?

00:35:54.000 You remember the 90s one?

00:35:54.000 No.

00:35:56.000 No, I didn't see the old The Craft.

00:35:57.000 It's not bad.

00:35:58.000 It's an old 90s movie.

00:35:58.000 I'd give it a C+.

00:35:59.000 The old The Craft was, uh, who was in that movie? I don't remember.

00:36:03.000 But there's like four girls and they're witches and they fight each other or something.

00:36:07.000 It's not bad. I'd give it a C+. It's an old 90s movie.

00:36:11.000 They remade The Craft and it basically was a nonsensical non-plot with a bunch of woke talking points.

00:36:18.000 Like, no joke.

00:36:20.000 Like there's a scene where for no reason, one of the witches just mentions that they're trans and has nothing to do with the plot.

00:36:26.000 It moves nothing forward.

00:36:28.000 It was literally just, they just say it.

00:36:29.000 It was probably a SAG-AFTRA mandate.

00:36:31.000 It's like, we need one trans character in this movie. 0.79

00:36:33.000 There was a scene where they turn a bully gay with magic or something like that. 0.95

00:36:38.000 I think that's what they did.

00:36:39.000 And the whole movie, I'm just like, I don't understand what the movie's about.

00:36:42.000 And I thought about it and I was like, whoa.

00:36:45.000 I remember like, we talked about this before, that's a good flicks or something?

00:36:50.000 Yes, pure flicks.

00:36:52.000 Where it's like low quality, like religious right wing stuff.

00:36:56.000 But now it's like something changed where We're starting to see conservatives like the Daily Wire make Run Hide Fight, which is actually a really well-made movie.

00:37:05.000 And it's not just like, you know, a wholesome... I mean, it's kind of a gritty movie.

00:37:10.000 And then you're starting to see the left make these really awful movies, and I'm wondering if in like 10 years...

00:37:15.000 The left is going to be a bunch of pseudo-religious cult doctrine videos.

00:37:20.000 They already are.

00:37:21.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:37:22.000 And then conservatives and the anti-woke are going to be making fun adventure movies.

00:37:26.000 There is this problem when you watch the Karen trailer.

00:37:29.000 The problem with it, as with all bad art, is when it doesn't ring true.

00:37:34.000 The thesis of Karen, according to the trailer, is that white people, especially white women, 1.00

00:37:39.000 are these racists who are more likely to commit hate crimes. 0.71

00:37:42.000 If you just look at the federal government statistics, there is not an epidemic of whites 0.97

00:37:49.000 Whites are significantly less likely to commit hate crimes as a portion of their population than black people are. 0.94

00:37:55.000 Black people are more likely, relative to their population, to commit a hate crime. 0.98

00:37:58.000 What is a hate crime? 1.00

00:37:59.000 I mean, I think the term is stupid to begin with because it's the opposite of a love crime, I guess. 0.99

00:38:03.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:38:04.000 But just even if you're going to take it on its own terms, it just doesn't ring true.

00:38:09.000 I got to be honest, too.

00:38:10.000 It's like I don't like the idea of hate crimes and I don't like the idea that I think if someone commits a crime, they committed a crime.

00:38:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:20.000 We keep hearing, and even some conservatives when it comes to the anti-riot bills, they're like, make the penalty harsher.

00:38:26.000 And I'm like, well, if you enforced the first penalty, you wouldn't need to make it harsher.

00:38:30.000 I don't care if someone's black, white, Asian, Latino, gay, straight, whatever.

00:38:34.000 If they're violent against somebody, they committed a crime, we stop them.

00:38:38.000 Going after them with harsher penalties due to motives is insane because it requires mind reading.

00:38:43.000 I'm okay with premeditation rules, because, like, if you do plan it, I mean, maybe there's, like, an impetus of psychosis there that's a little more dangerous for society.

00:38:51.000 But that's just another fact, right?

00:38:53.000 You can actually prove if someone planned it.

00:38:56.000 You're not asking about the motivations that went into the plan, you're just saying, here we go, we know this guy thought it out, and that's different than manslaughter.

00:39:03.000 I gotta point this out, because I did pull up this CNN article about the Karen trailer, and it's actually getting flack, because people are claiming they're just ripping off Get Out.

00:39:14.000 No, the difference is Get Out was a good movie.

00:39:17.000 I haven't seen, obviously, Karen yet.

00:39:18.000 The trailer doesn't look very good.

00:39:19.000 But Get Out is a good movie about the fears of assimilation, right?

00:39:23.000 It's the fear that when you assimilate into a culture, you lose your soul.

00:39:27.000 And it made fun of white liberals, which I got a kick out of. 1.00

00:39:30.000 Specifically, right, we voted for Obama, but they're the evil people. 1.00

00:39:34.000 They're the evil people! 0.87

00:39:35.000 I thought it was a kind of original movie.

00:39:37.000 I got a kick out of it.

00:39:38.000 This, at least from the trailer, I can't judge the movie, just looks like it's falling into the myth of the evil Karen.

00:39:45.000 Michael, I've seen the trailer, and you're wrong.

00:39:48.000 This will be the Citizen Kane of our generation.

00:39:50.000 Citizen Karen.

00:39:50.000 Oh my gosh.

00:39:51.000 Did you show the photo of this though?

00:39:52.000 Yeah, I did.

00:39:53.000 Look at this. 0.97

00:39:53.000 Aw, dude, it's so silly. 0.97

00:39:54.000 Did you see did you show the photo of this? Yeah, I did. 0.95

00:39:57.000 Look at this. Oh, dude. It's so it's so silly Have you seen the hunt?

00:40:01.000 You know, I wanted to but I thought it didn't get pulled I thought... They brought it back.

00:40:06.000 They ended up publishing it.

00:40:07.000 I hadn't seen it.

00:40:07.000 Oh, they did publish it.

00:40:08.000 It was good.

00:40:08.000 I thought it was great.

00:40:09.000 I loved the idea.

00:40:09.000 The idea was terrific.

00:40:10.000 Well, so initially, the hunt... the trailer was liberals kidnapping conservatives and then hunting them.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:16.000 And so my initial reaction was like, this is not the time to be fanning the flames of this stuff.

00:40:21.000 Even Donald Trump was against it.

00:40:22.000 Yeah.

00:40:24.000 I changed my mind later on when I was like, you know, I shouldn't be against artful depictions, and I shouldn't play that game about, you know, criticizing a movie I haven't seen.

00:40:32.000 And then it turns out, when I watched the movie, it was actually really good.

00:40:34.000 Well, because it's... I don't think it's advocating that the liberals go out and kidnap... They're the bad guys!

00:40:39.000 They're the bad guys, right?

00:40:41.000 So it's actually like, you've got... 0.99

00:40:44.000 Two different factions in this movie, snooty liberal elites who are just, they hate these right-wing conspiracy theorists so much they want to kill them, and then you have just dumb right-wing conspiracy theorists where you're kind of annoyed by them believing stupid things, but they're not bad people, they're doofy people. 0.98

00:41:01.000 This is what's actually giving me hope. 0.98

00:41:03.000 You know, you say that Steve Bannon says, we're winning, and I'll believe it when I see it.

00:41:08.000 I've been burned too many times, folks.

00:41:10.000 But the thing that does give me hope When these people of all different colors, parents of all different shapes and sizes all around the country, show up to yell about critical race theory.

00:41:21.000 I see your point.

00:41:22.000 I think it's a fair one that we shouldn't be arguing with their language and that's a problem. 0.93

00:41:26.000 Sure, and we can try to fix that.

00:41:27.000 But the very fact that these people are showing up, these ordinary Americans, and then snooty elites, radical elites, make fun of them, call them, I don't know, you might say deplorable, irredeemable, bitter clinger or whatever.

00:41:41.000 And you are further alienating the common sense American people from this ruling class that absolutely despises them.

00:41:49.000 That is, in real time, a win for conservatives.

00:41:52.000 Yes, yes.

00:41:54.000 I think Bannon's point is when these children come back from school on day one and mom says, what did you learn in school?

00:41:59.000 That you're evil.

00:42:01.000 What?

00:42:02.000 Come again?

00:42:03.000 So I'm interested, though, in the same... I do want to talk about the Loudon stuff, but we'll get to that in a bit.

00:42:09.000 In terms of movies like this this Karen one considering how like Really over-the-top the trailer is I'm wondering if that'll have a similar effect if people start seeing movies like this where it display I mean this is it this is culture right in the movie the hunt the liberal elite to the bad guys I'm gonna spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't seen it you care if I spoil it spoil it The woman who's leading the liberals is kidnapping people because they were spreading conspiracy theories about her online and her friends decided to help her out. 0.97

00:42:37.000 It turns out one of the women who was kidnapped, I think she was like former military, and it was the wrong name.

00:42:43.000 So what it turns out is this innocent woman was being harassed and they were trying to kill her and she had nothing to do with their politics.

00:42:50.000 And I thought that was a really interesting message based on what we're seeing in the political landscape.

00:42:55.000 Regular people who don't care, who don't want to be involved, are being forced into it and accused of being racist and being monsters and now are being forced to fight for their lives.

00:43:04.000 So when I see something like this Karen movie, a lot of people have already said Karen is a racial slur and you shouldn't say it.

00:43:10.000 I've had people email me like, Tim, don't use that word.

00:43:13.000 I guess it literally is a racial, I'll say it, but it is a racial slur. 0.67

00:43:17.000 It references specifically like... White chicks. 1.00

00:43:20.000 At a certain age.

00:43:21.000 Sort of ageist.

00:43:22.000 A Becky is a young Karen.

00:43:24.000 That's what they've been saying.

00:43:26.000 And so I wonder though, how many women named Karen had no issues in politics, didn't care, and then all of a sudden started feeling bad because people were insulting them based on their name. 0.99

00:43:36.000 My friend's daughter's name is Isis.

00:43:38.000 She was named before the action in the Middle East.

00:43:44.000 There was a meme of a mom.

00:43:49.000 And it was like a strict mom meme.

00:43:50.000 I can't remember exactly what it was.

00:43:51.000 And it was a woman like sitting down in a photo that people use in these old school memes with like the sunburst behind it.

00:43:56.000 And it would say like, you know, makes you clean your room and then grounds you or something like that.

00:43:59.000 And the woman in the photo was like, I'm not like that at all.

00:44:02.000 I'm like a nice person and people are using this image of me to represent something nasty.

00:44:06.000 I have to wonder if Hollywood keeps making movies that insult regular Americans simply because their name is Karen. 0.91

00:44:14.000 I'm not saying they keep making Karen movies.

00:44:16.000 I'm saying if they do things like this that insult and deride people, is this the kind of thing that's going to make someone go...

00:44:22.000 I don't feel good?

00:44:24.000 You're making me feel bad?

00:44:25.000 I reject you.

00:44:26.000 I hope that that is the case because it pains me to hear these stories that you're mentioning of someone who says, well, I'm not like that.

00:44:34.000 I'm not one of them.

00:44:35.000 I'm one of the good Karens or whatever.

00:44:37.000 I'm the good ISIS. 0.99

00:44:40.000 But you have to come to the realization, if you are in any way conservative, and by the way, it's not even on the racial politics if you're just white, if you're black but you go along with the conservative point of view, you are considered just as bad if not worse. 0.96

00:44:56.000 I guess if you're a traitor. 0.97

00:44:57.000 It's the apostates that are a bigger threat. 1.00

00:45:00.000 And I think what all these people need to recognize is the radical left hates you. You are not, you can't charm your way out of it,

00:45:00.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 you can't reason your way out of it. I know there's been a lot of talk now on the

00:45:12.000 internet about whether or not one should engage in debates and there were

00:45:15.000 a sort of, Crowder got ambushed by some libs or something and there was there

00:45:19.000 was all of this debate me coward and all this kind of stuff. I don't feel

00:45:23.000 any compunction about turning down a debate with someone who hates me.

00:45:29.000 Because what is the point of that debate?

00:45:31.000 If I feel something productive can come out of that, I'll do it, but I don't feel any reason to do it otherwise.

00:45:36.000 This is really fascinating, especially in terms of the Crowder stuff, because Ethan Klein is not a political individual.

00:45:42.000 He was making comments about Steven Crowder.

00:45:45.000 I don't know how it started.

00:45:46.000 Do you guys know how it started or what the issue was?

00:45:49.000 Yeah, what happened?

00:45:50.000 Yeah, so Ethan was saying that you don't need to do any of your own research.

00:45:54.000 You just trust the CDC, whatever they say.

00:45:57.000 You don't even have to do any homework.

00:45:58.000 And his wife is just like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. 0.64

00:46:00.000 And I was like, what?

00:46:01.000 They're telling they have like millions of people.

00:46:01.000 What?

00:46:03.000 And Crowder responded?

00:46:04.000 Yeah, he had issues with that.

00:46:05.000 He's like, why would you tell people to not do their own homework?

00:46:07.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:46:08.000 That's actually against the... I think that might be against YouTube's rules.

00:46:11.000 Interesting.

00:46:12.000 To say not to question anything?

00:46:14.000 Well, no, that's... Just to tell people how to think about it?

00:46:18.000 You need to tell... YouTube's rules are that you can't discourage people from seeking the expert medical opinions.

00:46:25.000 So the CDC might... YouTube might be like, that's fine, I guess.

00:46:25.000 Oh, interesting.

00:46:28.000 Yeah, you can blindly follow them, but nobody...

00:46:30.000 You should've debated Ethan.

00:46:30.000 Yeah.

00:46:31.000 think like YouTube says you can't discourage people from talking to

00:46:34.000 medical experts for advice and saying you don't have to do anything just

00:46:38.000 follow the CDC those aren't your doctors right so I wonder anyway should have

00:46:42.000 debated Ethan well so uh well Ethan isn't a political figure he's a drama

00:46:45.000 grifter like his whole thing is like I had never heard of him I had no even the

00:46:50.000 other guy I hadn't hadn't seen He's interesting because they're kind of under the radar, but they're hugely popular.

00:46:55.000 They just weren't like ever front and center mainstream.

00:46:57.000 They kind of came up on quieter.

00:46:59.000 They get like millions of views.

00:47:00.000 Massive, massive shows.

00:47:02.000 So the issue though is, this is why I would say you got to be careful about who you debate.

00:47:06.000 Like we're going to have Vosh back on.

00:47:08.000 OK.

00:47:09.000 You're familiar with him.

00:47:09.000 He's a leftist YouTube personality.

00:47:11.000 I've heard of him.

00:47:12.000 I haven't seen his stuff, but I have heard he's a he's a socialist or he's a... I believe he's a socialist.

00:47:17.000 He's a lefty gamer.

00:47:18.000 And then we're also planning on having on another a few other leftist personalities, people who actually, I think, want to engage in the robust challenge of a good debate. 0.84

00:47:28.000 Like, I think Vosh loved it because he had a bunch of clips where they said I was dumb. 0.99

00:47:32.000 And of course, we got clips where they're like, he's dumb. 0.97

00:47:34.000 But I think we had a lot. 0.99

00:47:35.000 It was like four hours.

00:47:36.000 Yeah.

00:47:36.000 But there are some people, like the guy who ambushed Steven Crowder, this guy's a conman.

00:47:41.000 This guy's whole shtick is to generate drama.

00:47:43.000 And so the issue is, Steven Crowder wants to engage in a legitimate conversation with Ethan Klein.

00:47:49.000 Ethan Klein being a drama channel.

00:47:52.000 Just turned the camera off, runs away, and then says, here you go, here's drama.

00:47:57.000 Crowder walked right into that one.

00:47:58.000 I think Crowder was correct to say, hey, Ethan, let's talk.

00:48:02.000 And then when he released the full audio, you actually see they were being very nice to each other and they were talking about family.

00:48:08.000 And then Ethan goes like, haha!

00:48:10.000 I gotcha.

00:48:10.000 Ambushes Crowder with a guy who's known for not getting a lot of traffic and for trying as hard as possible to get bigger channels to debate him so he can get views.

00:48:19.000 So Crowder's like, I have no obligation to give you the time of day.

00:48:22.000 You've been blacklisted by so many other channels, they refuse to talk to you.

00:48:25.000 And I'll tell you this, behind the scenes, a bunch of podcast networks have already blacklisted.

00:48:30.000 I'm not saying his name on purpose.

00:48:31.000 Yeah.

00:48:32.000 Because he doesn't, this is what he tries to do.

00:48:33.000 He tries to use drama to get attention.

00:48:35.000 He's been blacklisted by a bunch of very big podcasts, even some more lefty ones, because he's viewed as a drama baiter who tries to get attention by just...

00:48:45.000 Causing fights and stuff like that yeah, but you know the right opens themselves up to these kinds of attacks when they go into the sort of The free marketplace of ideas must always prevail and we must always debate everything with everybody and we can never cancel or ostracize anybody and I think That's not true.

00:49:02.000 That's never been true. 0.98

00:49:04.000 Not only do I have no obligation to engage with somebody who's just a shyster or some kind of jerk. 0.99

00:49:10.000 It's actually counterproductive to do that. 0.99

00:49:13.000 No one will learn anything.

00:49:15.000 No honesty will be achieved.

00:49:17.000 This is why I say...

00:49:19.000 From this point forward, I think it should be clear to everybody, Ethan Klein should be off limits for any legitimate political podcast.

00:49:27.000 Of course, the left will probably engage with him because they're gonna be like, hey, it's an opportunity to get views, and they like what he did.

00:49:33.000 But for anybody who is moderate, anti-woke, or wants to have a legitimate conversation, so this would be like intellectual dark web types, as well as any other legitimate news outlet, you can't do it.

00:49:44.000 Not with somebody who's willing to poison the political discourse for personal gain. 0.97

00:49:49.000 Well, you think about how dumb most debates are. 0.95

00:49:52.000 It's really sad because not that long ago, you go back like 30 years, there were pretty popular debates that would air on TV or certain areas. 0.98

00:50:00.000 Yeah, Burroughs was pretty well known for that.

00:50:02.000 Yeah, or you think Firing Line or those kind of shows. 0.94

00:50:04.000 And now they're just really dumb and it's just like two heads screaming at each other for five minutes on cable TV or something. 0.90

00:50:10.000 Right. 1.00

00:50:11.000 It's so degrading.

00:50:13.000 There's a political rule that I learned years ago, and I think I violated it a couple times at my own peril. 0.98

00:50:19.000 Never wrestle with a pig. 0.99

00:50:21.000 If you wrestle with a pig, you will both get dirty, but the pig will like it. 0.95

00:50:27.000 So you know, you know what?

00:50:28.000 I would give this advice to Steven and to anybody who finds themselves in one of the situations.

00:50:34.000 If I agreed to do an interview with someone like Ethan and they decided to pull up one of these, you know, con, you know, individuals, As soon as it popped up, I wouldn't laugh.

00:50:44.000 I would say, Ethan, look, I got very little time.

00:50:47.000 I know we agreed to have a conversation.

00:50:49.000 I'm not interested in talking to this guy.

00:50:51.000 I mean no disrespect, but I'm gonna respectfully say no to this circumstance, and if you wanna reschedule, I'm more than happy to.

00:50:51.000 Yeah.

00:50:58.000 Yeah.

00:50:58.000 Have a nice day.

00:50:59.000 Yeah, of course.

00:50:59.000 Click.

00:51:00.000 But I guess, you know, in order to say that, we need to have standards, right?

00:51:05.000 We need to actually say, like, here's what I want to do.

00:51:07.000 Here's the purpose of the debate.

00:51:09.000 Here are the guardrails.

00:51:10.000 Here's what we're going to do.

00:51:11.000 And I just feel like we can't articulate it.

00:51:12.000 It gets back to what we were talking about earlier.

00:51:14.000 Yeah, Michael, did you ever debate in high school?

00:51:16.000 Because I did, and one of the first things you do when you go into debate is you lay out your definitions.

00:51:21.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:51:22.000 Like, you go into it with the understanding of what the words are and what exactly they mean.

00:51:26.000 If we could do that, that'd be great, but nobody does that anymore, so debate's meaningless.

00:51:29.000 I mean, we can't, even in the broader culture, the words... I mean, this happens to be the subject of my book, Lang Truman, but we actually can't agree on even the definition of man or woman, so obviously we can't agree on the rules of this sort of a debate.

00:51:41.000 And the problem for it in the broader politics is the left, getting back to your culture point, Tim, the left has a narrative about the country.

00:51:50.000 What is America to the left? 1.00

00:51:52.000 America is an evil, rotten, bigoted place that was founded by white guys to preserve their own property so that they can rape, kill, pillage, and burn. 1.00

00:51:58.000 You now have someone on the American Olympic team, or I suppose an alternative, Should have been removed immediately. 1.00

00:52:03.000 Rejected or removed.

00:52:04.000 the flag. Should have been removed immediately. Obviously.

00:52:06.000 It's rejected or removed. So incoherent to be on the team and want to destroy the country. But the

00:52:12.000 left has that narrative.

00:52:14.000 And I guess my question for the right is, what's your story about it? What's America?

00:52:19.000 Conservatives. And I actually don't, you'll get a hundred different answers, but I don't

00:52:23.000 think you have one answer. Oh, I can tell you. What is it?

00:52:25.000 North America?

00:52:26.000 America!

00:52:27.000 The United States of America was an ideological revolution, one of the first times in history that human beings realized government was derived from the will of the people and not divine providence.

00:52:35.000 That, due to a variety of issues pertaining to the separation of the power of the crown in Europe with the thousands of miles to the United States, there were individuals who were more reliant and dependent upon themselves, which they then came to realize through the teachings of people like Locke, and their own experiences that the king simply saying by

00:52:54.000 decree by divine providence they were in charge made little to no sense on

00:52:57.000 how they lived their lives.

00:52:59.000 So it was an ideological revolution of classical liberalism, freedom of the

00:53:02.000 individual, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and an ultimate separation

00:53:06.000 from another government which was both a physical, political, and ideological

00:53:10.000 revolution.

00:53:11.000 What America represents to me is one of the most profound and brilliant things

00:53:16.000 Because while we have mocked the idea of the failures of modern America's exporting democracy, as if, you know, I love the American dad joke where they're in, I think, Saudi Arabia, and they're like, I can't remember where they were, but they're like, democracy kicked in!

00:53:30.000 And then everything changes, and women are wearing Daisy Dukes, and people are cracking beers. 0.86

00:53:35.000 Like, that's not gonna happen.

00:53:37.000 A lot of our mechanisms and our ideas did actually influence the world.

00:53:41.000 And this idea that the government is derived from the will of the people.

00:53:46.000 This is the reason, in my opinion, why everybody so desperately wants to come here.

00:53:50.000 Because you can have a say, the American dream exists, and it doesn't.

00:53:53.000 So many countries still have landed gentry in control of politics or hereditary monarchy. 1.00

00:53:58.000 So America means a lot.

00:54:00.000 OK, now, I'm going to prove my own theory by disagreeing with your History of America.

00:54:06.000 Now, I think the account you give is fair enough, and I think a lot of people would agree with it.

00:54:09.000 But, I would point out, our founding fathers wrote at considerable length about Providence.

00:54:14.000 They thought that the country was brought about in this liberal revolution.

00:54:19.000 Some might say, but through Providence.

00:54:22.000 I mean, the very fact that Washington escaped from Brooklyn was an act of God.

00:54:26.000 The very fact that this man survived his horse getting shot out from under him multiple times was seen to be an act of God.

00:54:32.000 And of course, there's a deep Christian history to America.

00:54:36.000 The pilgrims land at Plymouth Rock and then two Indians walk out of the woods speaking one okay English and one nearly perfect English. 0.99

00:54:44.000 These are like the only two guys in the hemisphere that speak I don't think that's at odds, necessarily.

00:54:50.000 The idea was that, certainly, they were very religious, very Christian, but the king simply just asserted his power to rule the divine right.

00:55:00.000 Yes, and well, we can get into divine right later, but yes, I agree with your point.

00:55:04.000 Obviously, they leave the king, they don't establish a monarchy in America, but I guess the problem for this is, in your telling, America begins in 1776.

00:55:15.000 But there are other dates you can choose, as the New York Times told us.

00:55:18.000 I've often dated America to 1620, to the landing of the Mayflower.

00:55:23.000 But you could date America to a dozen years earlier, to the landing at Jamestown, where there was a landage entry.

00:55:28.000 I also don't think that disagrees with what I'm saying.

00:55:32.000 When was Locke?

00:55:33.000 It was the late 1600s, right?

00:55:35.000 Sure.

00:55:35.000 So this is 100 years before the Founding Fathers ever decided to form the Declaration of Independence.

00:55:39.000 But the American Revolution was over the span of, I think, 20 some odd years.

00:55:42.000 It wasn't that one day they signed a declaration.

00:55:45.000 It was the culmination of so much.

00:55:47.000 And, more importantly, I think you're right.

00:55:49.000 I think it perhaps could have been the Pilgrim's Landing, Mayflower, Plymouth Rock, all that stuff.

00:55:52.000 It was when people separated themselves from literally the continent on which they were being ruled and found their own lives and had to make the rules for themselves.

00:56:02.000 But then is the story one of separation or one of continuity?

00:56:06.000 Because I think the libs would tell us that the story of America is that we totally rejected the old world. 0.91

00:56:11.000 But I think the conservatives, following the example of Edmund Burke, would tell us, no, actually, unlike the French Revolution, which was a radical revolution, the American Revolution was a conservative revolution because we actually kept our rights of Englishmen.

00:56:24.000 I mean, when the Americans rebel...

00:56:26.000 They're rebelling as Englishmen to say, we're not being treated with the respect that Englishmen deserve.

00:56:32.000 So it obviously creates a separation, but there's also this great continuity as well, and it's very difficult to trace that story.

00:56:39.000 I talked to some friends of mine who are from Texas, say, and to them, America is the Wild West.

00:56:44.000 It's the settling of the West, right? 0.73

00:56:45.000 Obviously, it's where they are.

00:56:47.000 I come from the Northeast, that's the American story.

00:56:49.000 You talk to people in the South, that's the American story.

00:56:52.000 So what is it?

00:56:52.000 I mean, it gets to this insight by the late, great Roger Scruton, who says, it's much easier to destroy than it is to build.

00:56:59.000 So it's very easy for Hannah Nicole Jones.

00:57:01.000 It's much harder for conservatives.

00:57:03.000 But I do think we need a story.

00:57:05.000 I think we need to say, this is what America stands for.

00:57:08.000 And your telling of it, Tim, is a pretty good one, you know?

00:57:10.000 So I'm not saying that's not a good option.

00:57:13.000 I think we can just simplify and say we agree with the idea of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:57:18.000 Sure, but what, yes, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying, don't we need something practical?

00:57:24.000 Don't we need something tangible?

00:57:25.000 I mean, the left, they point at you and they say, Washington, evil. 0.73

00:57:29.000 You, Ian, evil.

00:57:31.000 You know, this country, slavery, and they're pointing at all these tangible things.

00:57:34.000 You just say the same thing back.

00:57:35.000 We just say, we say, Washington good, you're evil. 1.00

00:57:37.000 Oh, don't fight the pig. 1.00

00:57:38.000 The pig wants to get money. 0.99

00:57:40.000 Mark's evil, Frankfurt School evil, you know, Critical Theory evil, and I gotta be honest, they are. 0.99

00:57:48.000 I mean, think about it.

00:57:49.000 Just think for two seconds that the Founding Fathers, who had a lot of really bad ideas in terms of how they lived culturally, I mean, slavery for one, but they laid the groundwork, the seeds were planted for liberty, which led to really smart and amazing people, Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, and incredible writing that ultimately ended slavery in a bloody battle over this, you know, to end this horrific institution.

00:58:15.000 But is that not just the progressive telling?

00:58:16.000 have today, civil rights, one of the most respectful countries on the planet in

00:58:20.000 terms of your right to identify however you choose, would not exist without the

00:58:25.000 Founding Fathers recognizing life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:58:27.000 But is that not just the progressive telling? I mean, yes, of course we say

00:58:31.000 like it's nice that, you know, there's no Jim Crow. It's nice that people have their rights.

00:58:35.000 You can look at certain countries that have, like, what India still has a caste system.

00:58:39.000 Yeah.

00:58:40.000 So the Founding Fathers probably didn't envision everything as it is today, but the framework they laid out led to arguments.

00:58:46.000 We go to the Supreme Court.

00:58:47.000 We make decisions.

00:58:49.000 The issue is, the reason why I say they are evil, not all of them, but look at that Chrissy Teigen direct message, where the guy says, please, I've never said these words before.

00:58:56.000 And she's like, ha ha ha ha.

00:58:58.000 I'm gonna do whatever I want.

00:58:59.000 Like, evil stuff.

00:59:01.000 You look at that Kathy Griffin lady cut showing Trump's severed head. 0.95

00:59:04.000 Like, that's insane!

00:59:06.000 And then you look at Steven Crowder saying, I'd like to have a reasonable conversation, and then they ambush him, laugh, cut things out of context, and then say, we win!

00:59:15.000 They don't want a political conversation, they don't want things to improve, they just want to watch the world burn.

00:59:19.000 Yes, I just I want to be even more depressing about it.

00:59:23.000 I feel like you're not being depressing enough.

00:59:25.000 The more depressing thing is I fear we've all kind of imbibed this progressive history because we say some things have gotten better.

00:59:31.000 So we say, you know, we give credit for the Founding Fathers for setting us up from that terrible old time to this great new time.

00:59:38.000 And the left hates the Founding Fathers because they say they tolerated this bad time in the old past, but now we have this good new time.

00:59:44.000 But what if it's even worse than that?

00:59:46.000 What if the time we're living in is no better than the time the Founding Fathers lived in?

00:59:51.000 What if we don't have slavery today?

00:59:53.000 We do.

00:59:56.000 Well, first of all, we do.

00:59:57.000 And we buy our iPhones, which are made by slaves. 0.98

01:00:00.000 And the left revels in it, and they don't talk about it.

01:00:04.000 Some do, some do.

01:00:04.000 I gotta give respect.

01:00:05.000 A lot of activists do.

01:00:06.000 Sure, but they all have iPhones.

01:00:08.000 I mean, you have people declaring bankruptcy because they can't pay their medical debt.

01:00:11.000 It's like indentured servitude, in a way.

01:00:13.000 College!

01:00:15.000 And just take the most obvious example.

01:00:17.000 We kill a million babies a year, legally.

01:00:20.000 Legally, in this country right now, we kill a million babies a year. 0.86

01:00:24.000 I suspect that some future generation is going to come to grips with this moral horror, and they're going to look at us and say, huh, in that wonderful new time that they were all living in, That seems perhaps more evil than the old time it replaced.

01:00:38.000 But is it just two steps forward, one step back?

01:00:40.000 Is it that there really are... Two steps back.

01:00:42.000 No, no, I agree that there's a lot of things that have come about more recently that have been really bad.

01:00:47.000 I mean, the progressives of the early 1900s were eugenicists.

01:00:50.000 Yeah.

01:00:51.000 And wasn't Margaret Sanger, wasn't she?

01:00:51.000 Right?

01:00:53.000 She was a leading founder of Planned Parenthood and the leading eugenicist.

01:00:57.000 Right.

01:00:58.000 So certainly bad things came about and still exist.

01:01:01.000 But it's not like we'll never be without conflict.

01:01:03.000 But our current understanding of free speech, for instance, is relatively new.

01:01:07.000 You didn't have free speech back in the day.

01:01:08.000 You had obscenity laws.

01:01:09.000 I'm so glad to hear you say this because this is something that the conservatives say, my beloved fellow conservatives, that drives me crazy.

01:01:17.000 They say we had freer speech back in the day and now we're being censored.

01:01:24.000 Like, in some ways, we had better speech back in the day.

01:01:28.000 But in many ways, you're much freer to say what you want to say today than you were.

01:01:32.000 I mean, you can say whatever you want on TV.

01:01:33.000 Remember George Carlin?

01:01:34.000 He got arrested for his comedy routine.

01:01:38.000 And it was, I think, was it Brandenburg v. Ohio that set the current standard we understand?

01:01:43.000 Also, I was researching gun rights laws.

01:01:46.000 Gun rights were way more restrictive in the 80s, and now we're getting constitutional carry.

01:01:51.000 It used to be may issue, not shall issue, for concealed carry permits, meaning most of the states in this country would be like, we're not giving you a concealed carry permit, bye bye, you can't do anything about it.

01:01:59.000 Now laws have been passed that actually have expanded our rights.

01:02:01.000 I'm like, sounds like we're winning in this regard.

01:02:03.000 But I'd actually like to take, again, the more pessimistic view.

01:02:07.000 I feel like, you know, When we say that we have freer speech now, one, I think that's got a bad understanding of liberty to it.

01:02:16.000 But also, I liked the obscenity laws.

01:02:19.000 I liked the laws against sedition.

01:02:19.000 I did.

01:02:22.000 I liked the laws against fraud and libel.

01:02:24.000 They're still on the books, right?

01:02:26.000 They're still on the books today.

01:02:28.000 We threw a pornographer in federal prison a dozen years ago.

01:02:32.000 Just for pornography. 0.99

01:02:33.000 He didn't have child porn.

01:02:34.000 He didn't rape someone on his set. 0.98

01:02:36.000 He just produced obscene pornography. 0.72

01:02:39.000 And that guy rotted for almost four years in prison.

01:02:42.000 The Founding Fathers loved that.

01:02:44.000 Conservatives loved that.

01:02:46.000 The reason is that obscenity is not legitimate speech.

01:02:50.000 It was their argument.

01:02:51.000 They would say that obscenity is just a form of licentiousness.

01:02:54.000 Liberty in America should not be abused to licentiousness.

01:02:56.000 The Founding Fathers said that self-government only works if you've got virtue and morality and religion.

01:03:02.000 And so what many people would herald as the wonderful expansion of free speech, frankly, I see it as the undermining of free speech.

01:03:09.000 Do you think our discourse is freer and more sophisticated today or 30, 40 years ago?

01:03:15.000 Well, with big tech, it's corrupt, you know, and broken.

01:03:19.000 We had to do two things, right?

01:03:20.000 I want to make sure we talk about your book, but there was something I was trying to talk about back when we were talking about this general, and I think we had a great conversation.

01:03:26.000 But let's go back.

01:03:28.000 I want to talk about the Ramifications of a woke military.

01:03:32.000 Because the wokeness has spread far and wide to the point where one of our generals is saying, so what's so wrong about reading Mao and doing all these things?

01:03:32.000 Yeah.

01:03:40.000 And we make jokes about basic training and, you know, soy boys coming out, I guess. 1.00

01:03:44.000 I don't know if you saw this story, but this one From the Washington Post.

01:03:48.000 Russia says it fired warning shots at a British warship in the Black Sea.

01:03:52.000 The UK says it didn't.

01:03:54.000 I don't necessarily believe the UK.

01:03:56.000 Russians also say they were dropping bombs in the path of the British warship because they entered Crimean waters.

01:04:02.000 This freaks me out.

01:04:04.000 See, the US, NATO, was doing big war games.

01:04:07.000 Russia then counters with their own war games.

01:04:10.000 We see the HMS Trent, Royal Navy, going through the Bosphorus Strait only a few weeks ago.

01:04:15.000 Then, the HMS Defender entering Crimean waters, which Russia is claiming as its own. 0.59

01:04:19.000 So it's occupied waters.

01:04:21.000 It doesn't matter who you think it belongs to.

01:04:23.000 We are dangerously close to conflict.

01:04:25.000 China came out and said that they will join Russia in a counterattack against the US. 0.96

01:04:31.000 Now is not the time for our general to come out and say, I am pathetic and weak and have no strength of will of my own mind. 0.98

01:04:39.000 Well, the problem is that Xi Jinping and Putin, they have YouTube and they saw that woke army ad and they said, duh, the lesbian mothers and the pride, invade today, invade. 0.98

01:04:50.000 And of course they were inviting the aggression.

01:04:52.000 Do you see Putin praise Joe Biden?

01:04:54.000 He's focused.

01:04:56.000 You gotta pay attention.

01:04:57.000 And then I see these Biden voters on Facebook being like, even Putin's recognizing that Joe Biden's strong.

01:05:03.000 Republicans are trying to make, like, Republicans want Putin to win because they hate Biden so much, but even Putin recognizes Biden is not losing his mind.

01:05:12.000 And I'm like, Putin wants to destroy us and wants us to keep voting for the man who has no lucidity left so that he can win a war.

01:05:20.000 So obviously you had Trump's foreign policy, whatever you think of the individual incidents.

01:05:25.000 The genius of it, of course, was you just never knew what this guy was going to do.

01:05:29.000 I mean, do you remember?

01:05:31.000 He called Kim Jong-un short and fat. 0.71

01:05:35.000 Just because. 0.96

01:05:36.000 Just because he had insulted.

01:05:37.000 I mean, this is a pretty wild guy.

01:05:38.000 You know, he took out the top general. 0.99

01:05:40.000 He was called a dotard. 1.00

01:05:41.000 He was called a dotard. 1.00

01:05:43.000 And so he goes in and, you know, but then he assassinates Iran's top general. 0.99

01:05:47.000 He drops bombs in various places.

01:05:49.000 But it totally unpredicted.

01:05:50.000 Right.

01:05:51.000 Then he pulls some troops out.

01:05:52.000 With Biden, Biden just is the avatar of the liberal establishment.

01:05:55.000 Right.

01:05:56.000 He's just the same guy, the top brass in the Navy talking about.

01:05:56.000 He is.

01:05:59.000 It's just whatever is in the zeitgeist.

01:06:02.000 That's what Biden is.

01:06:03.000 And the sad fact is, If you know that you're going to get a traditional liberal establishment foreign policy, of course you're going to aggress in the South China Sea if you're Xi Jinping.

01:06:14.000 Do you really think the American people are ready for a war to defend Taiwan?

01:06:18.000 No.

01:06:19.000 No way.

01:06:20.000 Not to get involved.

01:06:21.000 And I've been advised, I think, were you going to say Steve?

01:06:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:25.000 He was explicitly like, no, no, we're not.

01:06:26.000 It's Silicon Valley.

01:06:27.000 He's called it Silicon Valley West.

01:06:29.000 We lose Taiwan, we lose our computer chips.

01:06:31.000 No more trucks, no more cars, no more computers.

01:06:35.000 You think the American people are seriously concerned at the moment about deterring Putin from further aggression in Crimea?

01:06:43.000 Oh no.

01:06:44.000 It's so far away.

01:06:45.000 If it was Cuba, yeah.

01:06:47.000 I don't even know about that.

01:06:48.000 I think they're so concerned about, like, look.

01:06:51.000 A general came out and said he's reading Mao and Lenin, and he's having the troops study the real history to understand this country.

01:07:04.000 Wow.

01:07:05.000 You just feel so crestfallen.

01:07:07.000 I mean, we were joking about how we need to make it even more depressing.

01:07:11.000 But it does.

01:07:12.000 On the first step to recovery, you need to recognize that you've got a problem.

01:07:18.000 This rot runs so, so deep.

01:07:21.000 I do still think there is some hope.

01:07:24.000 I think there's a glimmer of hope, because the American people are repulsed by this sort of thing.

01:07:27.000 But they're really depressed by it, I think.

01:07:30.000 When you see that Russian military ad, where it shows, like, this... Super Chad?

01:07:35.000 This ripped Super Chad, shaved head, and he puts the hood on, and then he's, like, he's looking down, he's all angry, and then he jumps out of the plane, and parachutes, and then he lands, he's got a bolt-action rifle, and it's dark colors, and it's like... And you're like, whoa!

01:07:49.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:07:50.000 That's it.

01:07:51.000 Then you see the other one where it's like going to the parade and like, to be fair though, that was an army ad.

01:07:56.000 Yeah.

01:07:57.000 And the Marine Corps ad is still a bit more, you know, it's like a guy, he's walking down the street in a cyberpunk future.

01:08:03.000 And then an advertiser pops up saying, buy shoes!

01:08:06.000 And it's like, you know, pointing out that people have no purpose.

01:08:09.000 And then he falls forward through the hologram and lands in the mud and gets up and he's got a rifle and they're like, go, go, go!

01:08:14.000 and that he's moving through the woods. That was a bit more on point with war and conflict.

01:08:19.000 So maybe the Army is looking for administrators and the Marine Corps is looking for warriors.

01:08:23.000 But right now, I mean, that actually does give me a little hope, right?

01:08:27.000 And I'm sure the Marines are gloating over this.

01:08:29.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:08:30.000 But, you know, even among conservatives right now, so-called conservatives,

01:08:35.000 They're going to be people who say, well, you know, I think actually if a transgender person wants to serve in the military, that's perfectly fine.

01:08:42.000 Well, you know, I think women should be in combat positions. 1.00

01:08:44.000 And well, I think, and you just think, oh, oh, so you're not serious about this either.

01:08:48.000 I don't think that there is anyone advocating for trans soldiers in Putin's Russia or Xi Jinping's China.

01:08:52.000 Well, but I don't, I don't, I, I, if somebody wants to, uh, go shoot the bad guys, I don't care who they are, what they think they are, what they believe in.

01:09:02.000 If a guy thinks he's a woman and is demanding really crazy medical treatments and clearly doesn't have his grip on reality, I don't think I want that guy in the military. 0.96

01:09:13.000 Call me an extremist, but it seems like there's a problem.

01:09:20.000 Strong people next to you in combat.

01:09:22.000 If they fall, then you have no protection on the side.

01:09:25.000 And by the way, you know, the reason I don't want women in combat is not because I don't think women are perfectly capable. 0.99

01:09:31.000 Obviously, they're not as physically strong as men, which is why they're losing all the weightlifting competitions now, including in the Olympics, two men.

01:09:37.000 But it's because I think it's wrong for society to send its women to go fight. 1.00

01:09:41.000 I think it's disordered.

01:09:43.000 I think men and women are different.

01:09:44.000 I think we have different roles.

01:09:46.000 We are complementary.

01:09:47.000 We're not identical.

01:09:48.000 And I don't want to live in a world in which I've got a lovely, graceful woman fighting my wars for me. 0.90

01:09:54.000 Well, so the issue comes down to, I guess, what's the right word?

01:10:01.000 You've got, by any means necessary, victories, and moral victory.

01:10:07.000 If you have a country that says, we will send wave after wave of our own people, we don't care who they are, how tall they are, if they're a man, if they're a woman, or they're trans, they're gay, they're straight, whatever, we will give them a gun and send them your way. 0.89

01:10:18.000 But don't you think, like, the fact is women are just not as strong. 0.95

01:10:21.000 This is not insulting to women, it's just a natural fact. 0.54

01:10:24.000 And so if you've got an army of all big tough dudes who look like Super Chad from the Russian ad, that is going to be a stronger army than a mixed army with women. 1.00

01:10:32.000 But that's under the assumption that we lose Some of our, uh, service men by adding service women.

01:10:39.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:10:40.000 Like if we have, let's say we had a million, uh, well-trained, well-oiled machine Marines and then we're like, we got this.

01:10:48.000 Hey, we also got a hundred thousand women. 1.00

01:10:50.000 That's just a benefit in my opinion.

01:10:51.000 Well, I mean, but we're also not, we're not Napoleon's army.

01:10:54.000 We're not launching these, you know, million-person land wars.

01:10:57.000 And I suppose that one of the arguments, I'm not saying that women have no role in helping out the military, I just specifically I'm talking about combat.

01:11:04.000 Well, you would get, oh, historically you have a few women, like Tamaris was a Scythian queen and she was a warrior queen and basically stomped out the Persians, more or less. 0.93

01:11:14.000 Yeah.

01:11:14.000 Boudicca who was a Celtic Queen that fought against the Romans so you get these I don't know if they were like bestial

01:11:19.000 Monstrosities at monster humans, I don't know but they were apparently fighter like warriors like they would slash and

01:11:25.000 kill and yeah But I think generally what you're talking about is more of

01:11:28.000 a general that I one can name them I think is kind I think the idea from the modern military

01:11:33.000 in that regard is How do we add more people to combat roles?

01:11:37.000 It's like, well, women aren't serving. 1.00

01:11:39.000 Sure.

01:11:39.000 Can we get them to serve?

01:11:40.000 It increases the number.

01:11:41.000 Do we have a shortage of fighters?

01:11:43.000 I don't think so.

01:11:44.000 I mean, we don't, you know, first of all, the wars we wage are mostly from, like, office buildings in New Jersey where we're fighting with video games to blow up bad guys in Syria.

01:11:53.000 But I don't... If we had a genuine shortage of people who were able to hold a gun and shoot it, then I suppose that's a conversation.

01:12:00.000 I think it comes down to this for me.

01:12:02.000 We should have a standard.

01:12:04.000 You should have to pass that standard.

01:12:05.000 They shouldn't reduce the standard for anybody.

01:12:08.000 And so I think that's one of the issues people are concerned about is... Well, of course.

01:12:11.000 Yeah, in some circumstances, some departments and like fire departments and police have lowered standards.

01:12:18.000 In all circumstances, virtually, right?

01:12:20.000 So that's a problem too.

01:12:22.000 But I'd like to take it even further.

01:12:25.000 Let's say that there is a woman, you know, some great ancient queen who's an Amazonian who, you know, destroys the Persian army.

01:12:32.000 All well and good.

01:12:34.000 I still think just as a social matter, as a matter of the way that men and women interact with one another, as a matter of chivalry, darn it, the age of chivalry is gone, that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has exceeded it, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever, to quote the great Edmund Burke.

01:12:49.000 That's bad.

01:12:50.000 I want the glory back.

01:12:51.000 I want the chivalry back.

01:12:52.000 I want a world in which men and women are not seen to be identical or indiscernible or at odds with one another.

01:12:59.000 One of the arguments is that there will never be a war between the sexes because everyone's sleeping with the enemy.

01:13:04.000 I want them to be complementary again.

01:13:07.000 And that requires people observing certain limits, both men and women.

01:13:12.000 Yeah.

01:13:12.000 It's a very unpopular view, I suppose, but I think it happens.

01:13:15.000 I think what ends up happening is people start scraping the bottom of the barrel in their conflicts and things just get weird.

01:13:24.000 I will say one thing.

01:13:25.000 A lot of what we talk about, especially when it comes to women in combat, and you mentioned obscenity laws. 0.97

01:13:31.000 We wouldn't need laws or policy if people had a shared moral framework within their culture.

01:13:38.000 It certainly would not be nearly as necessary.

01:13:42.000 But again, the law kind of reflects the culture, but the law also influences the culture.

01:13:49.000 Jordan Peterson talked about enforced monogamy, and immediately these leftists were assuming he was saying women should be physically forced to be in relationships with nasty men.

01:13:59.000 With me.

01:14:00.000 Yeah, with you.

01:14:01.000 What he meant was, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I think, you know, Lydia might, you know, you might know this.

01:14:05.000 What he meant was just there were societal pressures that you were in a relationship, you had an obligation, and if you didn't uphold your contract, then you were looked down upon.

01:14:14.000 That, right?

01:14:15.000 Is that what?

01:14:16.000 And when Jordan Peterson made this point, I don't know if he realized this at the time, but he was tapping into something that's absolutely pivotal.

01:14:16.000 That's correct.

01:14:22.000 You need cultural pressure for the things that you want.

01:14:25.000 You need it against the things that you don't want.

01:14:28.000 That way the government is not required to, for example, censor speech.

01:14:31.000 They can let other people do it.

01:14:33.000 Oh, you shouldn't have done that.

01:14:34.000 Mom says it to her son.

01:14:35.000 You know, I guess I agree with Jordan's point.

01:14:37.000 I agree with what we're talking about.

01:14:39.000 But this distinction, this neat distinction between politics and culture, I think is a little blurrier.

01:14:45.000 Because when cultures and societies come to certain decisions, let's say they want to pass blue laws and you can't buy booze on Sunday.

01:14:50.000 Let's say they want to ban porn or prostitution or something.

01:14:53.000 They come together and they have the social more.

01:14:56.000 And they reflect that in their law.

01:14:58.000 And so these earlier ages, which had perhaps a more moral and upright or at least virtue-conscious people, also had much stricter laws about obscenity and these sorts of things.

01:15:07.000 But most people didn't need the laws.

01:15:10.000 Right.

01:15:10.000 It's an interesting conundrum how that occurs.

01:15:12.000 And the laws, in part, form the people and the people form the laws, of course.

01:15:15.000 It's very, very blurry.

01:15:17.000 There's a really great meme where it's a guy on his knee opening up a ring for a woman and he says, will you enter into a government contract with me that guarantees you get all of my stuff and you can also leave it at any time?

01:15:28.000 Sounds like my life.

01:15:30.000 That's how I think, by the way.

01:15:31.000 That's a really important point, though.

01:15:33.000 It used to be that you could not get divorced.

01:15:35.000 A judge would be like, you need to go to counseling.

01:15:40.000 Yes.

01:15:41.000 And you know now I know that it is unthinkable that we should possibly make our divorce laws a little more restrictive, but of course we should.

01:15:41.000 You cannot divorce.

01:15:51.000 The societal breakdown that has really ramped up over the past 40-50 years is a direct result of no-fault divorce.

01:16:00.000 It has ruined people's lives.

01:16:02.000 It has destroyed society.

01:16:04.000 If a marriage bond means nothing, which practically, I mean, this is your point, and I'm not even just blaming the guys or just blaming the girls.

01:16:12.000 It's set up in such an unfair way.

01:16:14.000 But if that bond means nothing, then you don't have trust as a society.

01:16:18.000 That is a sacred vow you're making.

01:16:20.000 Not just before God, that's pretty important too, but it's also a political matter.

01:16:24.000 You're making it before the public and you're saying, we will be in this bond.

01:16:28.000 If you can just dissolve that willy-nilly, then your social trust evaporates.

01:16:33.000 So let's talk about your book.

01:16:35.000 My book is actually on these sorts of topics.

01:16:37.000 Exactly.

01:16:37.000 The book is Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

01:16:41.000 You may have heard of it before.

01:16:42.000 I think I have.

01:16:43.000 Someone super chatted it.

01:16:45.000 Did they?

01:16:46.000 Yeah, a couple of people, I think, super chatted it.

01:16:46.000 One or two?

01:16:49.000 I do, I have to thank, I truly need to thank the viewers of this show.

01:16:55.000 You, seriously, if this book makes the list, if this book, if the New York Times is forced to put this on the list, if, which I don't think they would do it willingly, but you know, if they were forced, if this book changes the conversation, it is because of the insane viewers of this show.

01:17:14.000 Well, they're fans of you!

01:17:16.000 But I'll say it a million times, you know, reading the Super Chats was fun.

01:17:20.000 I want people to buy your book.

01:17:21.000 I want people to buy Michael Malice's book, Andy Ngo's book, Ben Shapiro books, James O'Keefe books.

01:17:26.000 I want it so that when you go to Amazon.com and you click book, the top 10 are from anti-establishment, anti-woke, or just maybe voices you haven't heard of.

01:17:35.000 Because for a long period, what were the top books?

01:17:37.000 Like White Fragility? 0.99

01:17:40.000 And so what happens is regular people, this is part of the information where you're trying to explain to people your ideas and win hearts and win minds.

01:17:40.000 Right.

01:17:47.000 You know what was a big one was becoming Michelle Obama, which I thought, I don't know if you've seen the conspiracy theory.

01:17:52.000 Oh yeah.

01:17:53.000 There's this conspiracy theory of talking about transgenderism.

01:17:55.000 And I just thought if you're trying to tamp down that conspiracy theory, Don't title your book Becoming Michelle Obama.

01:18:01.000 That's not a good idea.

01:18:02.000 You gotta ignore the weird stuff, to be honest.

01:18:06.000 It's pretty out there.

01:18:08.000 I know a guy who's like, dude, I swear I watch these videos.

01:18:11.000 I'm like, stop.

01:18:13.000 First of all, stop watching the videos.

01:18:16.000 I want to say, I love the cover.

01:18:18.000 I love the art.

01:18:19.000 Who did that? 0.91

01:18:20.000 This was hotly debated.

01:18:21.000 We went back and forth because some people believed that to sell the book we needed one of these kind of sticky covers where I'm like winking or something.

01:18:33.000 But I just thought, no, I actually am making an argument here.

01:18:37.000 I don't ever intend to write a book again.

01:18:39.000 It's simply too much work.

01:18:40.000 I'm just only writing blank books from now on.

01:18:42.000 Going back to my original magnum opus.

01:18:45.000 But I do want to make this argument here because I just feel like, I mean, kind of the central point of the book is, Whatever we have done to push back against wokeism has advanced wokeism.

01:18:57.000 Isn't that weird?

01:18:58.000 It's just anything, either we, obviously when you get into it, it advances it, but even when we push back really hard against it, still it advances it.

01:19:04.000 And it's because of, Tim, actually a lot of what you've been saying tonight, which is we just don't have any standards, and we're not willing to articulate them.

01:19:11.000 But it's not, it's not enough to point that out, because you actually then have to articulate what the standard is, and that is not always popular.

01:19:20.000 This is why, years ago, I began... A lot of people would describe the leftists as intersectionalists or feminists, and I started calling them identitarians.

01:19:29.000 Because identitarian is typically used by white identitarians.

01:19:34.000 Now, identitarianism just means, like, identity and government.

01:19:40.000 So it's policy predicated upon your identity.

01:19:42.000 Of course, the white identitarians really loved using it, and I said, that's the exact same thing as the critical race theory stuff.

01:19:48.000 And so I'm going to, as someone who doesn't like either, I'll refer to them all under the same name.

01:19:54.000 I had a conversation with a friend who's like a very prominent activist, very, you know, woke, and I just always refer to them as an identitarian.

01:20:03.000 It puts them in the same camp as the white nationalists.

01:20:06.000 They hate it, but it's true.

01:20:09.000 Do you have to get more specific?

01:20:10.000 I mean, I like this point because, you know, You have described what the conservatives keep messing up, which is they keep using the left's own language.

01:20:21.000 I just want to make the simplified point.

01:20:21.000 Don't forget that.

01:20:23.000 If you have a red battlefield and a blue battlefield, And you bring everyone onto the red battlefield and say red is the worst choice.

01:20:33.000 It's the only thing that people are experiencing and the only thing they'll talk about.

01:20:36.000 They won't even have an experience of blue.

01:20:39.000 You need to bring people to your battlefield and make the left come there to argue with you so that instead of learning about critical race theory, they're learning about classical liberalism or conservative values and making the left argue against those.

01:20:50.000 Preferably even the more conservative ones.

01:20:54.000 But it raises this identity question because you're not saying we can't have any kind of identity.

01:20:59.000 Obviously, everybody's got an identity.

01:21:00.000 I got my name.

01:21:01.000 I got my religion.

01:21:02.000 I got my town.

01:21:03.000 I got my state.

01:21:04.000 I got my country.

01:21:05.000 That's an identity.

01:21:06.000 So your calling out in particular would seem this racial identity, maybe this kind of crazy gender identity. 0.95

01:21:12.000 But it does leave this question open for you, which is what we were talking about earlier in the show.

01:21:18.000 Who are we as a country and who am I personally?

01:21:21.000 And I've got An old-school Catholic answer for you, my friends. 0.73

01:21:25.000 Thank you.

01:21:26.000 I've got finally, here it is, okay?

01:21:29.000 In the Bible, Moses asks God, who are you?

01:21:33.000 What does God say?

01:21:34.000 I am.

01:21:35.000 I am.

01:21:36.000 I am who I am.

01:21:37.000 I am the essence of being.

01:21:39.000 And when you identify in that, it's very easy to know who you are.

01:21:44.000 When you turn away from that, Well, what am I?

01:21:48.000 I'm black.

01:21:50.000 I'm a black lesbian, Muslim, ableist, cis, pan, trans, white, Catholic, male.

01:21:58.000 I'm Van Halen. 0.99

01:22:01.000 It's really pathetic. 0.98

01:22:02.000 It's what kids do when they try on different identities. 0.96

01:22:07.000 In order to recover that sense of a national identity, you have to say certain things that are exclusive claims.

01:22:13.000 This is who we are. And if we say this is who we are, it's like a nation with a border.

01:22:17.000 If we say this is the nation, then it means outside the nation, then that's not the nation.

01:22:21.000 If this identity in America, and you might say it's the classical liberal idea, or it's this, or it's that, or the

01:22:27.000 But if we say this is what it is, then what we are saying is if you don't go along with that, you are not an American.

01:22:27.000 other thing.

01:22:32.000 You are excluded.

01:22:34.000 You are ostracized.

01:22:36.000 You might be outright censored.

01:22:37.000 Are we willing to make that kind of a claim?

01:22:40.000 I am.

01:22:40.000 One of the challenges that we've been talking about for a while is that in wartime, some of our greatest leaders did horrifying things.

01:22:46.000 We talk about Abraham Lincoln, and we're so happy the North won, but The dude suspended habeas corpus.

01:22:53.000 There's the rumor that he tried to get a Supreme Court justice arrested.

01:22:57.000 He did a lot of really bad things.

01:22:58.000 He threatened the press.

01:22:59.000 Were they bad?

01:23:00.000 Threatening the press?

01:23:01.000 I mean, these days, I think you should win the Nobel Peace Prize for that.

01:23:04.000 But it's doing what has to be done to win.

01:23:08.000 And if we saw that happening today, if like Donald Trump, you know, when he threatens the press, the media shrieks and howls.

01:23:16.000 If in order to win a war, our civil rights were curtailed, we would be furious 50 to 100 years on, and it was the right thing to do. 0.99

01:23:23.000 Sure, and obviously there's a double standard, because you've got the Obama administration hounding the press and harassing them, and they obviously face no consequences for that.

01:23:33.000 So yes, we've become much more, but I guess this gets to my point, we've become much more individualistic, we've become much more jealous about our individual, some might say licentious autonomy, and we've totally lost a sense of what brings us together.

01:23:48.000 You know, a republic refers to the things we have in common, right, the public things that we've got together. 0.52

01:23:55.000 So if the left has lost that because they've become insanely individualistic on the social side, basically they want to Have sex with whoever they want to have sex with, or whatever, right?

01:24:04.000 And if the conservatives have become insanely individualistic on, for a long time, the economic side, but on certain aspects of cherished civil liberties, and nobody is paying any attention to what we have to do together, what you have to sacrifice, what you have to suppress, what you have to tamp down in order to have a country together, then obviously the country is going to fizzle and balkanize.

01:24:25.000 Well, this is why, right, balkanization is a Best way to describe it.

01:24:29.000 You're talking about the Balkan Peninsula, which is like the Greek peninsula north of Greece, where it was just shattered into like Croatia and all these different little countries.

01:24:37.000 Yeah, and continues to shatter.

01:24:38.000 And I think people have mentioned peaceful divorce, but there have been many individuals for years have been calling for, you know, more extremists calling for Balkanization of the U.S.

01:24:47.000 Yeah, and name a peaceful national divorce that has ever taken place in history.

01:24:52.000 The Roman Republic split, the Roman Empire split into the Eastern and Western Empire.

01:24:52.000 I can't.

01:24:57.000 Of course, then that caused wars for years.

01:24:59.000 Hundreds of years.

01:25:00.000 Think about what's happening in the U.S.

01:25:02.000 And as you mentioned, conservatives are too individualistic.

01:25:05.000 So they're not banding together the way the left is.

01:25:07.000 The left is overly a collectivist.

01:25:09.000 But the scary thing is they have this insane moral ideology.

01:25:12.000 And so then you have the libertarians.

01:25:14.000 And they're in their space.

01:25:16.000 So what happens?

01:25:17.000 Well, a bunch of states start saying, Texas, for instance.

01:25:21.000 We're going to do what we want to do.

01:25:22.000 Have a nice day.

01:25:23.000 Yeah.

01:25:24.000 And Joe Biden, when he comes out and speaks, is clearly not talking to Texas or Florida.

01:25:29.000 When he was saying earlier in the year, like, oh, we got to, we got to double down on masks and we got to, we got to put more restrictions in place.

01:25:34.000 Texas and Florida were open.

01:25:35.000 So who was he talking to?

01:25:37.000 And that's what's going to keep happening.

01:25:37.000 Clearly not them.

01:25:39.000 It's not so much that conservatives are necessarily too individualistic.

01:25:43.000 It's just that the tribe of conservatives is made up of a bunch of smaller tribes.

01:25:47.000 Yes, but they have no reason to come together.

01:25:49.000 I mean, there was a moment, it was called fusionism.

01:25:52.000 This was the post-World War II conservative movement where Bill Buckley and Frank Meyer and others brought together the libertarians and the traditionalists and the Warhawk Dems, you know, and later on the neoconservatives to come and fight against the Soviet Union.

01:26:05.000 The Soviet Union goes away.

01:26:08.000 What exactly is uniting the conservatives with the libertarians?

01:26:12.000 They have completely different accounts of human nature.

01:26:14.000 They usually want rather different things as a matter of policy.

01:26:20.000 When you consider the other aspects, the neoconservatives and others, I think anti-woke is a massive component of it.

01:26:25.000 And it's probably because I'm biased.

01:26:29.000 I hope you're right.

01:26:29.000 Well, yeah, and I hope anti-woke is the answer but I fear Ian you're right

01:26:34.000 I think the only thing they ever agree on is cut taxes.

01:26:37.000 That's and I like I like tax cuts But I think anti-woke is a massive component of it and it's

01:26:41.000 probably because I'm biased cuz I hope you're right I'm not the most like lower the taxes kind of individual.

01:26:48.000 Um, I was talking to band the other day. I agree with him He says raise the taxes on the rich. The one problem I said

01:26:53.000 is giving government money I don't know if that's the answer to the problems. We just

01:26:56.000 need to eat the rich. It's amazing how the politics have real idea. But you know, it actually.

01:27:03.000 Everyone's always trying to find what the dividing line is.

01:27:05.000 I don't think there's one, but there are many.

01:27:07.000 The media lies.

01:27:08.000 Do you believe CNN or do you disbelieve?

01:27:11.000 Do you think they're lying?

01:27:12.000 Well, I think that is a core component.

01:27:15.000 The matrix or out of the matrix could be the easiest way to describe it.

01:27:18.000 And then I also think woke versus anti-woke is a very core aspect of that as well, because you turn on MSNBC and they say, Republicans don't want to teach your children about slavery, which is Lies!

01:27:28.000 Insane, right?

01:27:28.000 Absolute lies.

01:27:30.000 And so do you believe the lies or are you seeing reality?

01:27:34.000 And that's why it's funny, that's why they say it's a red pill.

01:27:36.000 But hasn't the, I guess, I fear the balkanization has already happened and we're just realizing it.

01:27:41.000 You saw the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, is now flying the progress flag at U.S.

01:27:47.000 embassies around the world.

01:27:48.000 This thing was invented like five minutes ago and it's like the gay flag with some other racial things and transgender or something on it.

01:27:55.000 Well, that is the new flag of the United States.

01:27:57.000 That is, rather, I'll be more specific, that is the flag of the liberal empire.

01:28:02.000 So obviously the State Department, the steward of the liberal empire, is going to fly it all around the world.

01:28:05.000 The American flag makes claims about America.

01:28:08.000 The pride flag, or even the BLM flag, makes universal claims about everywhere on earth.

01:28:13.000 And when you look at Twitter accounts, when you look at people's homes even, conservatives will fly the American flag.

01:28:21.000 Libs will fly the pride flag. 0.99

01:28:24.000 Those are two different flags, ostensibly for the same country, but it's really now two countries kind of living together.

01:28:30.000 And these major corporations will change their avatars to the pride flag unless they're the Saudi Arabian branch.

01:28:36.000 That's true.

01:28:37.000 It's amazing.

01:28:37.000 They can't edit their Twitter, I guess, over in Qatar, maybe?

01:28:41.000 No, strange.

01:28:42.000 Well, I actually think it might be illegal.

01:28:43.000 No joke.

01:28:44.000 So they literally can't do it.

01:28:46.000 Sure.

01:28:46.000 And I wonder, I mean, there's such a pushback against the kind of craziness of the LGBT, transing the kids, drag queen story hour.

01:28:55.000 But the elites and the elite institutions are all pushing this.

01:28:58.000 I mean, that that is the new national identity.

01:29:01.000 So if you're giving an account of what America is, I fear that the pride flag is a matter of our actual governing institutions is more representative. 0.97

01:29:10.000 I'll tell you my issue with with the embassy's flying flags other than the United States.

01:29:15.000 Yeah.

01:29:16.000 We are the United States.

01:29:18.000 That is the country.

01:29:19.000 That is the Constitution.

01:29:20.000 That is the Declaration of Independence.

01:29:22.000 You don't have to like the country.

01:29:23.000 You're free to not like it.

01:29:24.000 But you are in America.

01:29:25.000 You are governed by the American government with a social security card and all that stuff.

01:29:29.000 That flag is of your country.

01:29:32.000 But the American government is flying the pride flag. 0.73

01:29:35.000 And that's where you see that they're flying the flag of 12, it's between 8 and 12 percent of the country.

01:29:41.000 It is not the majority of the left.

01:29:43.000 It is not the majority of moderates.

01:29:45.000 It is absolutely not basically any of the conservatives.

01:29:48.000 Very, very few.

01:29:49.000 When you look at, this was several years ago, but the Hidden Tribes study that came out.

01:29:54.000 I actually talk about Hidden Tribes. 0.78

01:29:56.000 Eight percent.

01:29:58.000 8% of the U.S.

01:29:59.000 identifies as progressive.

01:30:00.000 They're flying the flag of a fringe, fringe minority. 0.66

01:30:04.000 The American flag represents every American citizen.

01:30:07.000 The pride flag, you're allowed to like it, I got no issue, but it certainly does not represent 92% of the country. 0.78

01:30:12.000 Of course that's the case, but they want to, through the politics and the culture, to transform that.

01:30:17.000 And they just got a new Independence Day.

01:30:19.000 We're coming up on July 4th, also known as Independence Day, but now we have a new Independence Day.

01:30:24.000 It's actually in the name of the bill.

01:30:26.000 The Juneteenth National Independence Day Act.

01:30:30.000 This is a local tradition from Galveston when some random dude showed up and mentioned that Lincoln had freed the slaves years earlier.

01:30:36.000 The slaves actually weren't legally freed until the 13th Amendment, which was ratified months after that.

01:30:41.000 But this random date was contrived almost out of whole cloth by the left to become the new National Independence Day.

01:30:48.000 And the Republicans voted for it.

01:30:49.000 Well, I take issue if the idea is to subvert July 4th.

01:30:54.000 But actually, I don't take issue with Juneteenth.

01:30:57.000 I'm down for it.

01:30:59.000 Look, we have Labor Day, you know what I mean?

01:31:01.000 Like a holiday commemorating people who work.

01:31:04.000 I guess this is my problem, because I see your point.

01:31:06.000 Sure, it's a good thing to free the slaves, so sure.

01:31:08.000 I mean, we honor those who shed blood.

01:31:11.000 A lot of blood and treasure.

01:31:13.000 John Brown, what's up?

01:31:14.000 Ulysses S. Grant said blood and treasure was shed to keep people together and to end this.

01:31:18.000 We already have a holiday for that.

01:31:19.000 That Memorial Day was set up after the assassination of Lincoln, specifically to honor the dead of the Civil War and all that that war represented.

01:31:27.000 I've noticed with, you mentioned Labor Day, all of our holidays, they have to do with gratitude.

01:31:32.000 All of them.

01:31:33.000 Labor Day, it's the ordinary American worker.

01:31:35.000 Veterans Day, obviously.

01:31:36.000 Memorial Day, Christmas.

01:31:37.000 Even New Year's Day, we sing about Auld Lang Syne.

01:31:39.000 You know, we'll have a cup of kindness yet.

01:31:41.000 What about Fourth of July?

01:31:43.000 Fourth of July, obviously, is the gratitude to our country and our founding fathers and the country they gave us.

01:31:50.000 But Juneteenth, I find it bereft of gratitude.

01:31:53.000 You hear it in the arguments during the debate to ratify Juneteenth.

01:31:57.000 All of these congressmen saying this is about the injustice to never forget the evils of this country.

01:32:02.000 And even Barack Obama, when he started mentioning Juneteenth, he said last year that Juneteenth is not about a victory.

01:32:10.000 Juneteenth is about the ever-long march toward progress.

01:32:14.000 I think that's, by the way, why they just picked this random event when some dude showed up in Texas.

01:32:19.000 It's not commemorating anything real.

01:32:21.000 It's just commemorating a middle period in between two other events.

01:32:25.000 Because it's not about the victory.

01:32:27.000 It's to remind you of the evils we've come from and how far we have to go.

01:32:31.000 But maybe they just shouldn't frame it that way.

01:32:33.000 Maybe it should be framed as Yeah.

01:32:36.000 It was when the marshals showed up in Galveston where some Texans were holding slaves long

01:32:42.000 after the Emancipation Proclamation and these were the last individuals to finally receive

01:32:47.000 their freedom.

01:32:48.000 But they still, but it still wasn't properly abolished until the 13th Amendment.

01:32:53.000 I recognize that.

01:32:55.000 I like the idea of more freedom, the better.

01:32:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:58.000 I'll tell you my issue with it is they attached the red salute to it.

01:33:02.000 Now that is a very serious problem.

01:33:03.000 Not just the red salute.

01:33:04.000 It was the red salute in black.

01:33:06.000 So it was also the black nationalist hand.

01:33:09.000 And also, and I couldn't tell this on Twitter, but I think colors? 0.96

01:33:12.000 Were the knuckles gay?

01:33:14.000 No, no, no.

01:33:14.000 It was red, green, and white, I think.

01:33:19.000 Oh, the sort of black nationalist. 0.83

01:33:21.000 Is that what it is? 0.98

01:33:22.000 Or Italy.

01:33:23.000 You know the Italians always have a racial middle ground anyway.

01:33:29.000 I like the idea of celebrating, you know, the end of slavery.

01:33:35.000 Yeah, we all do.

01:33:36.000 It desperately needs a branding makeover already.

01:33:39.000 But look at it this way.

01:33:40.000 Abolition Day or something.

01:33:43.000 No, I think it's fine.

01:33:44.000 I think Juneteenth is fine.

01:33:45.000 Juneteenth is the only holiday named after a day or a month.

01:33:48.000 It's so weird.

01:33:49.000 Is it June 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th?

01:33:51.000 It's very confusing.

01:33:52.000 Juneteenth?

01:33:55.000 I'm not worried about that.

01:33:56.000 I'm worried about... The critical race theorists, they hate everything.

01:34:01.000 But they like Juneteenth.

01:34:02.000 No, no, no.

01:34:02.000 As you mentioned, it was not a day of celebration or gratitude.

01:34:05.000 It was to commemorate our anger.

01:34:06.000 I'm like, I'm not about that.

01:34:08.000 I think it should be a day to celebrate our victory over the amoral, horrifying institution of slavery.

01:34:15.000 But we agree on that.

01:34:17.000 I guess my own, and this kind of gets back to what we were saying earlier about arguing about what the government should be in theory and what it is in practice.

01:34:24.000 I agree with you.

01:34:25.000 There could be a wonderful day to celebrate the end of slavery, and sort of Memorial Day is that.

01:34:29.000 Though we don't really think of it that way anymore.

01:34:31.000 But the fact is, the people who pushed for Juneteenth and wrote the name of the bill and made the debates for it and are celebrating it and are putting the black fist with the either gay or black power colors on the knuckles, all of those guys view it and are presenting it as this resent-filled anti-American day of reckoning And I think, yes, would that we could perceive it another way, but I just don't know.

01:34:59.000 And you're right about Memorial Day.

01:35:01.000 There was a, I don't look at the story too much, but someone's mic got cut off.

01:35:05.000 He was like a veteran because he mentioned Memorial Day was set up because of the Civil War and had to do with slavery.

01:35:11.000 And then they were like, no, no, no, we don't want to have this.

01:35:13.000 He's out.

01:35:14.000 Memorial Day was set up following what you said was the assassination.

01:35:14.000 But it was true.

01:35:18.000 After the assassination of Lincoln, yeah.

01:35:20.000 I mean, very, very shortly thereafter.

01:35:22.000 So I do think it's important to... Man, this is tough, right?

01:35:27.000 As I often describe it, how many grains of sand make a heap?

01:35:30.000 It might not be a big deal to many people.

01:35:31.000 They're like, Juneteenth is a great holiday. 1.00

01:35:33.000 It celebrates the end of slavery.

01:35:34.000 And then you mentioned Memorial Day does that.

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:36.000 And those who shed blood to end it.

01:35:38.000 And so, you know, real quick, it's not that any one of one of these arguments, debates or news stories is the most important.

01:35:47.000 But when you stack up 10,000 of them, you've now have a dramatic shift in your culture and ultimately how people live their freedoms.

01:35:55.000 Things are better or worse.

01:35:56.000 It's a death by a thousand cuts.

01:35:57.000 Right.

01:35:58.000 All the sand on.

01:35:59.000 But because I, I agree with all the people who are shrugging their shoulders and saying, oh, man, who cares?

01:36:04.000 I don't.

01:36:05.000 You know, it's another day off.

01:36:06.000 Frankly, it's not a day off for us, right?

01:36:08.000 It's a day off for some federal employees, but okay, fine.

01:36:11.000 They work so hard, don't they?

01:36:13.000 But the who cares argument has a simple answer.

01:36:17.000 The left cares.

01:36:18.000 That's why they fought tooth and nail to get this thing through.

01:36:20.000 It's the same as the pronouns.

01:36:21.000 Who cares about the pronouns? 0.99

01:36:23.000 I wouldn't care about the pronouns, except that the left really cares about the pronouns, because they know that in these very seemingly trivial things, You carry whole premises.

01:36:33.000 In the case of the pronouns, you carry the premise that human nature has nothing to do with our body and a man can be a woman.

01:36:38.000 In the case of Juneteenth, you carry the premise that the original Independence Day was a fraud, it was wicked, and the country is now in Juneteenth, the country is evil, and we need to reckon with it.

01:36:48.000 Did you see there was one jurisdiction that cancelled their July 4th parade over COVID, but they're having a Juneteenth celebration?

01:36:54.000 Of course.

01:36:55.000 I mean, the Fourth of July parade, that's unnecessary.

01:36:55.000 Of course.

01:36:58.000 And frankly, it's even worse than unnecessary.

01:37:00.000 But Juneteenth, that's our nation's most sacred feast.

01:37:03.000 Let's go to Super Chess.

01:37:04.000 I had a question real quick.

01:37:05.000 Can I identify as no gender?

01:37:07.000 Yes.

01:37:07.000 Okay, I'm gonna start doing it.

01:37:09.000 Yeah, and you get an X on your ID.

01:37:11.000 Oh, I don't want an X. I don't identify as an X. I want nothing.

01:37:14.000 It's called agender.

01:37:15.000 I'm not agender.

01:37:16.000 I just don't have one.

01:37:17.000 That's what agender means.

01:37:18.000 I just don't necessarily believe in that there's a God.

01:37:18.000 I'm not an atheist.

01:37:20.000 A means without.

01:37:20.000 So agender is the word.

01:37:21.000 Didn't Prince do that?

01:37:22.000 Didn't Prince, the musician, he was like, he just didn't have a name.

01:37:25.000 That's why they called him the artist formerly known as Prince.

01:37:27.000 Apparently that was for legal reasons, so it's harder to sue him or something.

01:37:30.000 I don't know.

01:37:30.000 Really?

01:37:31.000 That's what I heard.

01:37:32.000 Anyway, let's go to Super Chats.

01:37:33.000 If you have not already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show, and make sure you go to TimCast.com, become a member, support our fierce and independent journalism, and the bonus segment, which will be coming up after the show.

01:37:45.000 All right, John Lee says, Tim, I had some questions.

01:37:47.000 Are you going to put the stream on your website?

01:37:49.000 And where is my chicken stream?

01:37:51.000 It's been a month since I asked.

01:37:52.000 We are rebuilding Chicken City to make it bigger and better and improved, and we're doing a lot of work right now.

01:38:00.000 It should be done maybe early next week, and then we've got to set up the computers and everything, so... As we get more and more people onto the team, like we're hiring, like I mentioned, the Paranormal Rider and stuff like that, then we can hire faster and faster and faster, but it's a snowball rolling down a hill, so it starts slow.

01:38:17.000 Chickens are doing their thing.

01:38:19.000 We are going to be building this really awesome, we're building this really awesome, like, external little cabin treehouse to house the computers and servers that will be above, or underneath it is the chicken city, where we'll have the cameras in the stream.

01:38:31.000 This way we can have a protected area from rain and bad weather, so the cameras can always be operating, and more open space.

01:38:39.000 There's some other logistical reasons why we have to move it in order to make it happen, but... They've been eating the ground, right?

01:38:44.000 They've been basically...

01:38:45.000 Chickenizing the earth underneath them.

01:38:47.000 They can't eat the bugs or the grass.

01:38:50.000 They haven't consumed all the grass, so they need to be constantly moved around or have a lot of space.

01:38:54.000 We need a bigger space for the chicken run.

01:38:56.000 It's an analogy of capitalism.

01:38:58.000 It is not sustainable on its own.

01:39:00.000 We need to import food, we need to bring things in.

01:39:03.000 They need to have their coop, and then they need to have the big open field where they can do chicken stuff. 0.70

01:39:07.000 That's right.

01:39:07.000 Chicken stuff, yeah.

01:39:08.000 Alright, let's see.

01:39:09.000 Tony L says, drop a like for Michael Knoll's Tim Pool jam session.

01:39:13.000 Yes.

01:39:13.000 Maybe.

01:39:14.000 Super fun.

01:39:14.000 Maybe.

01:39:15.000 Mark Wes says, I didn't know Knowles played the guitar.

01:39:17.000 Yeah.

01:39:17.000 Rock on.

01:39:18.000 That's a Michael Knowles original.

01:39:20.000 You can only hear here.

01:39:22.000 Some mad finger-picking.

01:39:22.000 Timcast IRL.

01:39:24.000 Matty Matmat says, What the heck, Tim?

01:39:26.000 I thought the jam days were supposed to be on Fridays.

01:39:28.000 I'm speechless.

01:39:29.000 Wow.

01:39:29.000 Just like Michael Knowles's new book, Speechless.

01:39:32.000 Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, which is now on sale.

01:39:34.000 You know, if I had really thought to get my own plug-in, I would have done the jam with no words.

01:39:41.000 Everybody should buy Michael Knowles' book so that it hits number one and then everyone who goes to Amazon or whatever, they see it and they go, I wonder what this is?

01:39:49.000 And they look at it and they buy it.

01:39:50.000 And then in the New York Times, they're like, here's a bestseller.

01:39:53.000 It would be so glorious.

01:39:53.000 That's what needs to happen.

01:39:55.000 The one thing I've noticed, you know, I've been perusing the charts just obsessively and just completely neurotically, and I've been looking.

01:40:02.000 Apparently, the majority of books in the top 100 books on Amazon are children's books and cookbooks.

01:40:08.000 Interesting.

01:40:09.000 They are.

01:40:09.000 But there are some political books up there.

01:40:13.000 I really, look, I want to beat the left, but I really want to beat Ben Shapiro.

01:40:18.000 I really, I really, you know, he's got a book coming out, it's called The Authoritarian Moment.

01:40:22.000 That's going to be my campaign slogan when I run in a few years.

01:40:25.000 Knowles 2028, The Authoritarian Moment.

01:40:27.000 And so I really, I, you know, all those things, please help me to beat Shapiro.

01:40:31.000 Please.

01:40:33.000 We got one here.

01:40:33.000 All right.

01:40:35.000 Valoran says, 10-10 opening.

01:40:37.000 I was left speechless.

01:40:38.000 Wow.

01:40:39.000 Just like when I read Unmasked by Andy Knowles.

01:40:41.000 Oh, wait, wait.

01:40:43.000 Good book.

01:40:44.000 Oh man, you got me.

01:40:45.000 They got you.

01:40:48.000 Um, how many of these do I have to read?

01:40:51.000 Rampton says Michael Knowles plays guitar and sings.

01:40:54.000 I'm speechless!

01:40:55.000 Speak of speechless, speechless!

01:40:57.000 Controlling words, controlling minds.

01:40:58.000 Now available for order.

01:40:59.000 I hope I'll sign my audiobook.

01:41:01.000 I will sign your audiobook.

01:41:02.000 Bring it on over.

01:41:04.000 Oh man.

01:41:05.000 Wow.

01:41:06.000 Is that just, it's all the superchats?

01:41:08.000 These are superchats, I'm reading through them.

01:41:08.000 Pretty much, yeah.

01:41:09.000 It's all, that's great.

01:41:10.000 The whole thing, it's like every single one is, I'm speechless, I'm speechless.

01:41:12.000 Love it, love it.

01:41:13.000 No, no, I genuinely mean it.

01:41:14.000 I mean, one of the most powerful things you can do, let me explain some.

01:41:18.000 I think Joe Rogan's great with all due respect.

01:41:20.000 I think one of the biggest issues for him moving off of iTunes was that because he was first and best dressed when it comes to podcasts, whenever you'd open iTunes, the podcast app, You'd see Joe Rogan by going exclusive to Spotify and getting paid very well for it, mind you.

01:41:38.000 He lost that real estate.

01:41:41.000 So I'm sure it had an impact to a certain degree.

01:41:44.000 So I bring that up just because being the top trending anything on an algorithm in front of these big networks means the marketing power you get cannot be paid for.

01:41:56.000 If Speechless becomes number one on Amazon, That's marketing power that creates a snowball rolling down a hill.

01:42:02.000 You get to a certain threshold, and then people who have not heard about it from this show or any other show start buying it, and then it dominates.

01:42:08.000 But the most important thing is the cultural impact it would have for people to see the top-selling book is a book like Speechless.

01:42:14.000 It would, and to unseat one of these lib books.

01:42:16.000 Or Ben Shapiro.

01:42:17.000 Or more importantly, Ben Shapiro.

01:42:18.000 No, I would have to agree with your criticism of Joe Rogan only because Joe has not yet invited me on his show.

01:42:26.000 If he invites me, I will retract my criticism in that way?

01:42:30.000 Yes.

01:42:30.000 I'm not trying to criticize him, I'm just saying... But I am, because he did... No, I'm joking.

01:42:34.000 Spotify bought it out for him, basically.

01:42:37.000 They're like, we're gonna make sure you're worth giving up that spot on iTunes.

01:42:41.000 It's a very powerful spot.

01:42:43.000 But like you said, money can't buy that kind of exposure.

01:42:48.000 But it can buy jets and boats.

01:42:51.000 I guess enough money can buy it.

01:42:52.000 Here's an interesting question.

01:42:54.000 One of the reasons I would not want to give up something like that is because my goal is not just about me making money and buying a house.

01:43:01.000 The way I explain it is, I make money doing this job, and the company's doing really well.

01:43:07.000 I don't want to buy a Ferrari.

01:43:08.000 I want to buy good journalism.

01:43:11.000 I'm happy when we'll have a great expose, you know, that comes out and exposes corruption.

01:43:18.000 I'll be like, yes!

01:43:19.000 Like, it was the work of that journalist, and it was what I was able to help fund and pay for.

01:43:25.000 So when I'm sitting on my deathbed and I'm thinking about the things I have, I will have historical moments that have done good things, that helped change the world for the better.

01:43:31.000 I don't care about stuff.

01:43:33.000 You know, I forget who it was.

01:43:34.000 It was some dead guy.

01:43:35.000 I'm just gonna say Moliere, but I don't know.

01:43:37.000 It could be Shaw.

01:43:37.000 I have no idea who it was.

01:43:39.000 Somebody said that hell, the definition of hell, is the place where you have nothing to do but amuse yourself.

01:43:45.000 And we all know that's true, right?

01:43:47.000 Even when you're in school and you go on vacation, the first two or three days, you're just like loafing around, watching movies, whatever.

01:43:53.000 And by day four, you're just suicidal.

01:43:55.000 You're just like, give me something to do again.

01:43:57.000 And that's what you're saying, Tim.

01:43:58.000 It's like, you know, tooling around in your Ferrari is great, but eventually you want to do something.

01:44:03.000 Yeah.

01:44:04.000 Yeah, I want to... I would have more fun... I'll tell you one thing.

01:44:08.000 You know why I really wanted to hire someone to do Paranormal and Unsolved Mysteries?

01:44:12.000 Is because I was on a road trip.

01:44:13.000 I've been on several road trips.

01:44:15.000 I drove from New York to Chicago to North Dakota for the Dakota Access Pipeline stuff.

01:44:19.000 And I love Unsolved Mysteries stories.

01:44:23.000 But it's so hard to find a good one.

01:44:26.000 And so I'm like pulling up some ghost stories and a lot of them are, no disrespect to some of these shows, I won't call them out by name, but it's like a guy talking to somebody and it's like a phone call and I'm like, where's the true crime style of like with music and stuff, but for the paranormal unexplained?

01:44:41.000 And I couldn't find it.

01:44:42.000 I Google-searched it, and I listened to dozens or hundreds trying to find, like, something that was like the show Unsolved Mysteries was.

01:44:48.000 I grew up watching when I was a kid, and I was, like, always freaked out, and liked the music.

01:44:51.000 I know.

01:44:52.000 All of our moms had Lifetime on. 1.00

01:44:53.000 I know.

01:44:53.000 You know, it's television for women, but they had Unsolved Mysteries.

01:44:56.000 It was a good show.

01:44:57.000 It was great.

01:44:57.000 I forgot the guy's name who did the voice, but his voice was just so good, and the music was creepy, and I was always, like, sitting there scared.

01:45:04.000 And I'm like, I want a show like that!

01:45:06.000 So I don't need a Ferrari.

01:45:06.000 I need a show like that.

01:45:08.000 So I'm like, who do I fund?

01:45:09.000 So we're working on it.

01:45:10.000 That's that's what we have this guy.

01:45:11.000 He's writing long form pieces every week, exploring a lot of these stories, cults, murders, mysteries, ghosts, Bigfoot, etc.

01:45:17.000 And then we're going to turn it into a podcast once a week where it's a combination of story, sound effects, like a feature, plus discussion and conversation after that goes on.

01:45:29.000 I love that.

01:45:30.000 I mean, I get, you know, DW is trying to do similar sorts of things, but this is the problem where You know, I'm about as conservative as it gets.

01:45:37.000 I'm like knuckle-dragging Attila the Hun.

01:45:39.000 And yet, Friday night rolls around and me and the Hunny are sitting on the couch watching something, and we're all watching these, you know, they're entertainment pieces, but they're from a Lib perspective, on Lib platforms.

01:45:51.000 I'm giving my money to some Lib billionaire, and I think, what?

01:45:54.000 Why can't we do that?

01:45:55.000 Why can't we do something?

01:45:56.000 I don't want it to be political.

01:45:57.000 No, not at all.

01:45:58.000 But I would say that I think my perspective is going to be a moral framework built on Judeo-Christian values.

01:46:04.000 I am not a particularly religious person, but I grew up with America having these values.

01:46:10.000 So I don't think, we're not going to make a movie where it's like an evil abortion doctor is going around, you know, kidnapping women or anything like crazy like that.

01:46:17.000 No, it'll be like a regular movie, but it'll have tropes about heroic behavior.

01:46:22.000 Um, uh, it'll, it'll probably be stories, right?

01:46:25.000 It'll be stories that chaos and loss and struggle and just normal things about people in their lives.

01:46:31.000 It's not super political, but there will probably just be that perspective within it.

01:46:34.000 That's not lib perspective.

01:46:35.000 That's not leftist or woke.

01:46:37.000 And that's what, you know, I think we need, like, you know, so anyway, I think the guy was Robert stack from unsolved mysteries.

01:46:43.000 The narrator, that was the guy.

01:46:44.000 Yeah.

01:46:44.000 Robert stack.

01:46:46.000 Love that guy.

01:46:46.000 All right.

01:46:48.000 What does it say?

01:46:48.000 Blurstar?

01:46:50.000 Blurstar says, Michael, I am an unaligned Christian leaning toward Catholic or Orthodox.

01:46:53.000 I think the Pope being the shepherd to the church is important, but I have a problem with papal supremacy.

01:46:58.000 What should I do to figure out my internal conflict?

01:47:01.000 Well, you should show up to Mass, I believe.

01:47:03.000 You know, if your issue is the role of the Pope, and when we say papal supremacy, That can mean a very narrow thing of the special role for the pontiff and the vicar of Christ, or it can mean this ridiculous kind of broad thing where a lot of people misunderstand it to mean that if the Pope says that two plus two equals five, that it does.

01:47:23.000 And that's just not what it means.

01:47:24.000 The Pope has the right to, and a special privilege, of infallibility when he is discussing matters of faith and morals from ex cathedra.

01:47:35.000 Right?

01:47:35.000 So this is a narrow world.

01:47:37.000 He has the right to defend Catholic doctrine. He does not have the right to negate

01:47:42.000 Catholic doctrine.

01:47:43.000 He can't do that. The Pope could come out tomorrow and say all sorts of kooky things

01:47:46.000 and it wouldn't carry any weight.

01:47:47.000 Going back, not just a few hundred years, but going back to the

01:47:51.000 earliest days of the Church, the Bishop of Rome had a special role

01:47:55.000 in figuring out disputes between the other bishops, between Alexandria and Athens.

01:48:01.000 This comes from Peter.

01:48:03.000 Peter is the first bishop of Rome.

01:48:04.000 You can trace that unbroken line all the way down.

01:48:08.000 The keys are handed to Peter and Christ says, you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

01:48:16.000 He says, who sins you forgive are forgiven, who sins you retain are retained.

01:48:19.000 I give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

01:48:21.000 That seems to be a special privilege.

01:48:23.000 And Peter ends his life, or his life is ended for him, crucified upside down in Rome.

01:48:29.000 And the obelisk that was looking upon that very crucified Peter is now standing in Vatican City.

01:48:36.000 And so I think A lot of times you'll hear people make anti-Catholic arguments by going back to the alleged history and they all say there were all these various apostasies and everything.

01:48:45.000 I think the history is on the side of Rome.

01:48:50.000 Right on.

01:48:51.000 Alright, Mr. Toad says, Michael, I just bought your first book as I eagerly await the arrival of the new one.

01:48:57.000 I don't have time to read it, though, because I drive all day for a living.

01:49:00.000 Is there an audiobook version available for Reasons to Vote for Democrats?

01:49:04.000 There is, in fact.

01:49:05.000 There is.

01:49:06.000 You can look up the artist as John Cage.

01:49:09.000 The title is 433.

01:49:11.000 This is the official audiobook of Reasons to Vote for Democrats, and I hope you enjoy it.

01:49:16.000 Is he just turning pages?

01:49:18.000 It's a beautiful musical composition.

01:49:20.000 This super chat's actually from a while ago.

01:49:21.000 Tyler Toth says, fix your shirt collar, Noel.

01:49:24.000 Is it popping out?

01:49:24.000 It's shaking my head.

01:49:25.000 Oh no.

01:49:26.000 Oh no.

01:49:28.000 You know, look.

01:49:29.000 I'm actually, I'm glad to hear this because sometimes people worry I'm a little too buttoned up.

01:49:29.000 Oh no.

01:49:34.000 There you go.

01:49:35.000 You're loose.

01:49:36.000 I'm getting loose, baby.

01:49:37.000 I thought that was intentional.

01:49:37.000 I'm at Tim Pool's show.

01:49:39.000 I'm hanging, man.

01:49:39.000 How about one collar?

01:49:41.000 Not too, man.

01:49:41.000 You're rocking, man.

01:49:42.000 I don't wanna, yeah.

01:49:43.000 I might have to pop it back in.

01:49:48.000 Alright, let's see.

01:49:49.000 Douglas Kaplan says, Tim, Michael, I pray that your businesses grow.

01:49:52.000 I want the truth, and sometimes the truth is in the middle.

01:49:54.000 I really hope this donation helps out.

01:49:55.000 It certainly does.

01:49:56.000 Thank you very much.

01:49:58.000 Caleb Greenlee says, hey Michael, please state why you think a liberal education is important.

01:49:58.000 That's very nice.

01:49:58.000 Thank you.

01:50:03.000 Also, what do y'all think of joining the military with the outbreak of wokeness in the military?

01:50:06.000 Poli Sci major and naval officer applicant.

01:50:09.000 So the purpose of a liberal education is to make sense of your freedom.

01:50:12.000 That's what it comes from, the liberal arts.

01:50:15.000 We are free people because we're human beings.

01:50:18.000 However, we have lower wills and higher wills, and the higher rational will.

01:50:23.000 The lower will is our appetite.

01:50:26.000 We want to shoot up the heroin or we want to eat too much fast food or we want to see

01:50:30.000 too many women. 1.00

01:50:31.000 And then the higher will is the rational will where we know we shouldn't do some of those

01:50:34.000 things but if we don't cultivate virtue and discipline our will and develop those habits

01:50:37.000 we give in to them anyway.

01:50:38.000 St. Paul writes about this.

01:50:39.000 He says, the things that I want to do I do not do.

01:50:42.000 The things that I don't want to do I do.

01:50:44.000 That sounds like an impossibility but of course he's referring to these two wills.

01:50:49.000 And this lower will which is our appetite hopefully will come into the discipline of

01:50:55.000 That's what happens in liberal education.

01:50:57.000 And the higher will is the mediator between the lower will and the divine will.

01:51:00.000 Okay.

01:51:00.000 That's the theory of it.

01:51:03.000 The way this is practiced is by learning these liberal arts.

01:51:06.000 The problem is that it's very difficult to get a liberal education today.

01:51:09.000 At the great schools, what are considered the most prestigious schools, it's almost impossible.

01:51:14.000 Donald Kagan, the great ancient Greek historian, former dean of Yale College, he once commented that you did not need a liberal education to graduate from Yale.

01:51:23.000 He later commented you might not be able to get a liberal education if you graduate from Yale.

01:51:27.000 I think there are a handful of schools where you can get it.

01:51:29.000 Hillsdale, Ave Maria, Franciscan of Steubenville, Thomas Aquinas, there are a handful.

01:51:34.000 But if you don't get it there, I would strongly recommend you do it yourself.

01:51:38.000 You engage in the great reading lists.

01:51:40.000 My friend Spencer Clavin has a great podcast on this.

01:51:43.000 Ben Walker says, glad to see my favorite austere religious podcaster back on the show.

01:51:46.000 Thank you.

01:51:46.000 And I know, you know, conservatives very often, they'll say, just major in STEM, just major

01:51:50.000 in engineering.

01:51:51.000 That's the only thing I think totally the opposite.

01:51:53.000 If you're going to study anything, study literature, study history, study philosophy, it's not

01:51:59.000 going to get you a job, but it will help you make sense of your freedom.

01:52:01.000 And you can go to trade school after that.

01:52:03.000 Right on.

01:52:04.000 And trade school is probably better for work anyway.

01:52:05.000 It's way better for work.

01:52:06.000 Yeah.

01:52:07.000 Ben Walker says, glad to see my favorite austere religious podcaster back on the show.

01:52:10.000 Thank you.

01:52:11.000 It's good to be back.

01:52:12.000 It's good to be with you.

01:52:13.000 I'll see you next time.

01:52:15.000 Oh yeah, and I want to mention too, because they asked about joining the military.

01:52:17.000 My opinion on the military as someone who hasn't served is just, I've talked to a lot of people who said that they ended their careers over the wokens in the military.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, no, I have as well.

01:52:26.000 Very sad to see, but I think that's the culmination of the strategy, right?

01:52:30.000 The woke people want them to end their And then Russia fires some warning shots and China takes Taiwan, and we go, well, we shouldn't retaliate against China because of white privilege and colonialism.

01:52:42.000 We kind of started it, actually, and Taiwan's probably better with them anyway. 1.00

01:52:45.000 But Russia's a bunch of white dudes. 0.88

01:52:47.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:52:47.000 So we can go to war with them. 0.98

01:52:49.000 But you know, Russia, they're the only white dudes who are allowed to be... 1.00

01:52:52.000 Rather, they're the villainous white dudes. 0.98

01:52:54.000 Like, you know in the movies, black guys and other races can never be the villain? 0.99

01:52:59.000 Almost never. 0.90

01:53:00.000 But there's all... 0.95

01:53:01.000 So it's a white villain. 0.98

01:53:02.000 And the villain is always the Russian. 1.00

01:53:03.000 Because they're like kind of the weird white people. 0.93

01:53:05.000 It was British for a while, now it's Russian. 0.87

01:53:06.000 No, it's Russian.

01:53:07.000 They love those two.

01:53:08.000 Rad number two says, Tim, if you ever get big enough to start a movie studio,

01:53:11.000 please make a realistic remake of Red Dawn where the bad guys are the woke US...

01:53:15.000 military.

01:53:15.000 All I ask in return for this idea is a producer credit.

01:53:19.000 That doesn't sound too expensive to produce at all.

01:53:21.000 No, you know, so the guy who made the original Red Dawn is actually a friend of mine, John Milius, this legend in Hollywood.

01:53:28.000 Lebowski is based on him. 0.56

01:53:30.000 He's just this maniac. 0.96

01:53:31.000 He's got guns everywhere. 1.00

01:53:33.000 He's a cigar chomp. 0.96

01:53:35.000 He's tremendous.

01:53:37.000 And his daughter, Amanda Milius, is a filmmaker.

01:53:39.000 She did the plot against the president.

01:53:42.000 I would absolutely love to do a movie where there is a rift in U.S.

01:53:49.000 armed forces between woke and anti-woke.

01:53:51.000 I would not want to make a movie where we villainize one or the other.

01:53:55.000 Where like the woke are like... But we actually represent their ideas as they stand.

01:53:59.000 And then show this conflict between two factions in the US breaking apart.

01:54:03.000 And do an actual... I mean I wonder if it would be like... There's no real antagonist or... It's kind of like...

01:54:10.000 The Red Dawn is from within, right?

01:54:11.000 It's just, it's like our own guys.

01:54:13.000 You know, in most movies, there's a very clear antagonist, protagonist, or you know who the good guys, the bad guys are.

01:54:19.000 I think it would be interesting to have, you know, there are movies that have done this kind of thing, where you have just the perspective of the two factions and the war they engage in without saying either is good or bad.

01:54:27.000 So you're saying you could have two conservatives in the lib go to watch the movie and they each think the other one is the antagonist?

01:54:33.000 Yeah.

01:54:34.000 That's pretty interesting.

01:54:34.000 Yeah, or actually be like, Get mad.

01:54:38.000 And be like, that's not how we think.

01:54:40.000 And the conservative would say the same thing, and the liberal would say the same thing, but it would actually try to be a fair representation of the values, not as they see it, as it is.

01:54:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:51.000 Yeah, so you might actually end up with the conservative arguing that we have to curtail some civil liberties.

01:54:56.000 It's like wartime.

01:54:57.000 Like Abraham Lincoln, like in World War II, with all due respect to the Bill of Rights, this is war. 0.60

01:55:02.000 And we suspend habeas corpus when it comes to fighting for our lives and our values.

01:55:06.000 And then you have the woke saying the exact same thing in a different way. 0.59

01:55:08.000 You know, the founding fathers were bad, and if we don't use any means necessary to win, we will be wiped out by white supremacists.

01:55:15.000 Well, I think it was John McCain who made this point.

01:55:17.000 You know, John McCain was very anti-torture because he was tortured in Vietnam.

01:55:21.000 But I don't think this is apocryphal.

01:55:23.000 I think I'm remembering this clearly.

01:55:25.000 John McCain was asked, well, what if What if there were a really bad event about to happen?

01:55:29.000 Would you torture someone?

01:55:30.000 He says, no.

01:55:31.000 Well, what if it were really, really bad?

01:55:32.000 Would you torture someone?

01:55:33.000 What if some guy's about to set off a bomb in downtown LA and the only way to get the codes is to torture him?

01:55:33.000 No.

01:55:40.000 And he finally says, well, I'd get the codes.

01:55:42.000 You know, at a certain point, we're all gonna do what has to be done.

01:55:46.000 Yeah. This is a good one. Clefthemisfit says, Tim, for your crossfire thing with Vosch, you need to pit

01:55:51.000 him against Eric Gillespie.

01:55:52.000 He said you wanted a libertarian and it will keep Vosch from using racialized

01:55:55.000 arguments as a defense mechanism. Actually, I think Eric Gilliespie would be fantastic.

01:56:00.000 Not necessarily because I think it would keep Vaush from using racialized arguments.

01:56:04.000 I think he would, and certainly if that's his position, he should.

01:56:07.000 I just think Eric July actually would be a really great person to have on with, with Vaush.

01:56:12.000 So, uh, Eric, if you're hearing this, let's, uh, let's, let's see if you, you know, maybe we can have, yeah, what do you think?

01:56:16.000 Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

01:56:17.000 In fact, both of the other people that I recommended to argue with Vaush were African American.

01:56:21.000 So I think that's a great idea.

01:56:22.000 Yeah, I'm not trying to do... You know, this partly came about on Twitter because he mentioned that he's spoken with a ton of conservatives and none of them knew what critical race theory was.

01:56:31.000 And to be fair, I think my response to him was not... I could have done a better job.

01:56:36.000 The issue with it, you know, when he asked me to define critical race theory, I was like, in layman's terms, I can't give you the academic definition.

01:56:43.000 I don't have it pulled up.

01:56:44.000 But what I was trying to convey was... Because I don't prepare for debates like I'm trying to go to war with this guy.

01:56:50.000 There are things that people say about critical race theory.

01:56:53.000 Let's try and break down what that means and what our actual complaints are.

01:56:56.000 Authoritarianism, racial identitarianism, these things.

01:57:00.000 And an overt attack on property rights.

01:57:02.000 I mean, I forget the guy who wrote it, but it's in that seminal text on critical race theory.

01:57:07.000 They say that the very system of private property in the United States is a white supremacist evil system that needs to be dismantled.

01:57:14.000 That's why people call them communists, is because they are.

01:57:18.000 You know, I wasn't approaching it like I needed to prove to his side I knew what I was talking about.

01:57:24.000 So I'm like, but anyway, this is how it ended up coming about.

01:57:25.000 I was like, I'd love to have you back on the show.

01:57:27.000 We can have another conversation and maybe see where our views have changed or elaborate or developed and things like that.

01:57:32.000 And my issue is if you want me to say critical race theory is the analysis of where race intersects with policy.

01:57:40.000 Sure, but that's not what anyone means by critical race theory.

01:57:43.000 That's the elevator pitch they give you when academics ask what it is.

01:57:43.000 Right.

01:57:47.000 It's not fair and it's not true.

01:57:48.000 Yeah, it's important to flesh out the definitions.

01:57:50.000 Like Lydia, like you were saying earlier, it's the impetus of debate is that you know the definition of what you're debating.

01:57:55.000 How else can you debate?

01:57:56.000 Or at least you know the other person's idea of what the definition is.

01:57:59.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:58:02.000 Evan S. says, Michael, did you get my Christmas wreath last year?

01:58:04.000 I didn't get my thank you note.

01:58:06.000 You know, I actually I thought I did send you a thank you note, but I'm very sorry if if that did not go out.

01:58:06.000 Oh, you did.

01:58:10.000 And I promise to fire however many assistants that I need to for not sending it out.

01:58:14.000 I loved it.

01:58:14.000 You know, I'm well, I'm so glad that you're here.

01:58:16.000 I got this wonderful Christmas wreath now two years in a row with a lovely advent, like a, you know, a candle holder.

01:58:23.000 And it's great.

01:58:24.000 I put it up right in my living room and I put the wreath on my on my front door.

01:58:27.000 Advent calendars are the best.

01:58:28.000 Oh, I love it.

01:58:29.000 Oh, yeah, you're telling me.

01:58:31.000 So, you know, it's during Advent, in the month of December, every day, you're supposed to open it up and read some scripture and really meditate on the coming of Christ.

01:58:41.000 And then when you're kids, it's really, you just kind of get like a chocolate every single day.

01:58:45.000 They have them for adults now, though, which is, it'll have like a little nip in it, you know, some kind of booze.

01:58:51.000 You know, usually you open them right in the morning, so it's like, I don't know if I need an eye-opener as I'm awaiting the coming of... When I was little, we had this cloth calendar, where a little mouse would move from day to day, tracking the days, and we had the advent calendars.

01:59:04.000 You'd pop open the day, and there'd be scripture, and then you'd get a piece of candy.

01:59:07.000 Oh man, those were the days.

01:59:09.000 All right, let's see Gin says Michael I have received your new book speechless

01:59:14.000 controlling words controlling minds today I'm on chapter 3 and very much enjoying it so far. Thank

01:59:19.000 you for your work. Thank you very much I'm so honored when people read it.

01:59:23.000 You know, especially, I've come to this as a best-selling author of nothing, right?

01:59:29.000 So the only thing I've ever published is nothing, and then people joke and say, I read your book, haha!

01:59:33.000 You know, I read it very quickly, and it's funny.

01:59:34.000 I mean, I made the jokes, too.

01:59:36.000 But I'm actually really quite happy that people are reading it, and I'm glad that you don't hate it.

01:59:41.000 They're actually reading it.

01:59:41.000 I'm glad that you like it.

01:59:43.000 All right.

01:59:43.000 Yeah.

01:59:43.000 We'll try and get as many more as we can in.

01:59:47.000 Jesus Lopez, or as Jesus Lopez, did anyone know Native Americans kept slaves three years after America declared them free?

01:59:54.000 Yeah.

01:59:55.000 I did know that, and they also, the civilized tribes, I'm not inventing that term, that's actually what they were referred to in parts of the United States, they held slaves at a similar rate to the local whites, and a lot of people don't know that the Native Americans who were marched down the Trail of Tears Wow.

01:59:55.000 Is that true?

02:00:12.000 actually shipped slaves in front of them and in some cases marched the slaves in

02:00:15.000 front of them as well and they were not as eager to give up their slaves as

02:00:18.000 other people in the country. You're not allowed to tell that story though

02:00:22.000 because it messes up the the victim narrative of the left.

02:00:25.000 That is very interesting.

02:00:27.000 All right let's see.

02:00:28.000 Actual Justice Warrior says Juneteenth is called Emancipation Day in Texas.

02:00:32.000 Oh, cool.

02:00:33.000 It was called Black Independence Day on the show Black-ish.

02:00:35.000 Check Google.

02:00:36.000 Almost no mentions pre-2017.

02:00:37.000 Yeah, no, it's completely made up.

02:00:39.000 I mean, it's not made up in the sense it was a local tradition.

02:00:42.000 It was in Texas, yeah.

02:00:42.000 As a national fact, it's completely made up.

02:00:45.000 And the thing that I find so offensive about it is not that the left contrived this fake holiday to reframe American history.

02:00:51.000 It's that they Forced us all to pretend like we'd ever heard of this thing before.

02:00:56.000 Statistically, very few people had ever heard of Juneteenth before, like, three years ago.

02:01:02.000 Well, the argument from the left is, why didn't we?

02:01:04.000 Why didn't we?

02:01:05.000 But the weird thing is, when I went to school when I was growing up, they were like, I see this meme from the left, they're like, why didn't you know about the Tulsa massacre of Black Wall Street?

02:01:14.000 And I was like, I did.

02:01:15.000 Yeah, well, right.

02:01:16.000 For the Tulsa race, I'm not sure, you know.

02:01:18.000 But I even think, in answer to that question, why had you not heard of Juneteenth?

02:01:21.000 Like, because it didn't matter that much, is actually my answer.

02:01:24.000 It wasn't that important.

02:01:25.000 Well, this is an interesting thing.

02:01:26.000 I was having an argument with someone, and I think it was on Twitter.

02:01:29.000 No, no, maybe it wasn't on Twitter.

02:01:29.000 But, no, no, it was on Facebook.

02:01:31.000 And they were like, they don't teach this stuff.

02:01:33.000 And I was like, they taught it where I grew up.

02:01:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:35.000 And we all knew about this stuff.

02:01:37.000 Yeah.

02:01:37.000 And they're like, well, they didn't teach it to me.

02:01:38.000 And I was like, did you grow up in a wealthy suburb?

02:01:41.000 Well, yeah, I was like, maybe no, no, but for real, you grew up in a white suburb where they probably didn't think it was relevant for you.

02:01:48.000 So you're shocked.

02:01:49.000 I grew up in the south side of Chicago where they probably thought it was relevant because of it's Chicago.

02:01:54.000 It's extremely racially diverse.

02:01:55.000 It's segregated, but it probably was, you know, something that people.

02:01:59.000 Of course, I grew up in New York.

02:02:01.000 We learned a lot about the Iroquois.

02:02:02.000 Why?

02:02:02.000 Because the Iroquois were the Indians from New York.

02:02:05.000 I didn't learn that much about the Cherokee or the Apache.

02:02:07.000 I bet people who lived in those areas of the country learned more about them.

02:02:10.000 Of course, our communities actually have something to do with our education.

02:02:13.000 In Northeast Ohio, we talked a lot about the Iroquois, the longhouses and stuff.

02:02:17.000 Third grade, we used to learn about them.

02:02:18.000 They were cannibals, actually.

02:02:20.000 That's another thing you're not allowed to say.

02:02:21.000 A lot of those natives were cannibals. 0.52

02:02:22.000 Yeah, the Caribs. 1.00

02:02:23.000 Actually, the word cannibal comes from the Carib Islanders, who were famously cannibals. 0.77

02:02:28.000 Columbus discovered them.

02:02:29.000 Reza Aslan is a famous cannibal.

02:02:31.000 Also notable.

02:02:33.000 You'll find them in the Iroquois, in the Caribbean, and on CNN.

02:02:37.000 You will!

02:02:38.000 Well, they canceled his show.

02:02:40.000 LA says, Hey Tim, are you hiring data analysts at the moment?

02:02:43.000 If so, where do we apply?

02:02:44.000 I'm a pretty skilled artist as well.

02:02:45.000 Thanks.

02:02:45.000 Keep up the good work.

02:02:47.000 Hopefully soon, but I don't think right now.

02:02:50.000 Maybe in a few months.

02:02:51.000 It just depends on where we go and grow.

02:02:54.000 The newsroom is an investment.

02:02:56.000 There's no guarantee that we make money off of a newsroom.

02:02:59.000 But I want a newsroom.

02:03:00.000 So like I said, I'm not gonna buy a Ferrari.

02:03:02.000 I'm gonna buy a newsroom, and we're gonna have journalists do awesome stuff.

02:03:05.000 But hopefully the articles will be relevant, will be trustworthy.

02:03:08.000 I believe they will, because we're gonna be hiring a fact-checker, an editor, and a fact-checker.

02:03:11.000 So it's like triple-checked.

02:03:13.000 The journalist does the work, the editor reviews it, and the fact-checker goes back through it.

02:03:17.000 And the fact-checker won't even be in the same building as these people.

02:03:19.000 As the journalists.

02:03:21.000 And then hopefully that value proposition of getting double fact check and good reporting makes people share it, they read it, and then it just serves as a way to have people find out about the website, and then it helps grow the business.

02:03:33.000 Effectively, marketing.

02:03:35.000 Journalism was always a lost leader.

02:03:36.000 It was prestigious, people wanted to know about the news, but then they would get access to the other bits of the newspaper, the advertisements or whatever.

02:03:44.000 So, journalism was always a way to spread the word about the work you're doing and the news.

02:03:51.000 Hopefully this works out.

02:03:52.000 We'll see how it plays out.

02:03:52.000 But I think either way, we are going to be subsidizing good journalism as long as I'm alive.

02:03:58.000 And we'll figure out how to make it last beyond that.

02:04:01.000 That's kind of the point.

02:04:02.000 Oh hey, this is cool.

02:04:04.000 Someone just said, where did it go, just jumped away from me.

02:04:06.000 Sam Smith says speeches is number one in politics and propaganda because they can't accept that it is number one in hearts and minds.

02:04:13.000 Wow, thank you, and I take it as a great honor to be considered the number one propagandist in America.

02:04:19.000 Speaking of CNN, yeah, I'm glad I supplanted them.

02:04:21.000 Is that actually a category though, propaganda?

02:04:23.000 I take it that it is.

02:04:24.000 You know, on Amazon there's a million different categories, but yeah, I'm glad they're already calling me a propagandist.

02:04:30.000 All right, Jonathan Duger says, Michael, I had a calling to take Matthew 10.38 literally.

02:04:35.000 I have to make 12 feet tall by 6 feet wide and carry it to my church, which is 10 miles away from my house.

02:04:42.000 Any helpful advice would be appreciated.

02:04:44.000 Hmm.

02:04:45.000 Could you pull up the verse?

02:04:46.000 I'm sorry that the verse is not jumping to my mind.

02:04:48.000 Matthew 10.38?

02:04:48.000 Yeah, do you have it?

02:04:50.000 Yeah, I can look it up, hold on.

02:04:51.000 We'll look it up.

02:04:52.000 While she pulls it up, I'll read this.

02:04:54.000 Stephen Walker says, get actual Justice Warrior on the show, Tim.

02:04:57.000 I have heard good things.

02:04:59.000 I have heard good things.

02:05:00.000 Yeah, um, sure.

02:05:01.000 This, you know, this is that proof.

02:05:03.000 The Protestants always knock the Catholics because we don't read the Bible.

02:05:05.000 Now, we do, we read the Bible liturgically.

02:05:07.000 We read it as part of Mass, but it means that we can't, like, we don't pull these up all of the time.

02:05:11.000 The one verse I can always pull up is Leviticus 17, 7.

02:05:15.000 What is it? 0.97

02:05:16.000 Ye shall no longer sacrifice your sacrifices to goat demons after whom you whore. 1.00

02:05:20.000 Huh. 1.00

02:05:20.000 Wow. 1.00

02:05:21.000 That's a pretty solid verse.

02:05:22.000 That one stuck out to me.

02:05:25.000 Sacrifice to sacrifice.

02:05:28.000 The verse that he was talking about, which makes sense.

02:05:31.000 Matthew 10 38 says, whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

02:05:35.000 So he wants to like physically build a cross and haul around.

02:05:38.000 Yes, well, not everything is to be taken quite literally.

02:05:43.000 The parables, for instance, are not literal.

02:05:45.000 But it is important that people take up their cross. 0.97

02:05:47.000 And don't forget, by the way, people always think, well, you've got to take up your cross and it's just going to be awful and terrible.

02:05:52.000 But Christ also says, my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

02:05:56.000 This is actually quite a sanctifying process.

02:05:58.000 Maybe you can build the cross out of balsa wood.

02:06:00.000 Well, what is it Jordan Peterson says about picking up the heaviest thing you can find and carrying it?

02:06:04.000 That's the same idea.

02:06:05.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:06:06.000 And the lobsters.

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02:06:46.000 Someone super chatted saying that I should go to Wakefield Skate Park.

02:06:50.000 I will do my best to be there on Saturday.

02:06:52.000 Oh, is it nearby?

02:06:54.000 It's like, it's maybe 50-60 miles.

02:06:56.000 Oh, okay, so it's a drive.

02:06:57.000 But, um... What do we do?

02:07:01.000 Maybe Saturday morning we'll be there.

02:07:04.000 Man, actually, I don't know if I can do Saturday morning.

02:07:07.000 We'll see.

02:07:08.000 I'll try to get there.

02:07:09.000 We'll see if I'm there.

02:07:10.000 You wanna shout out a book, perhaps?

02:07:12.000 Oh! 0.60

02:07:12.000 Oh, this old thing? 0.60

02:07:13.000 Are you... this is... You have a new book?

02:07:15.000 You know, I'm glad to be here on the official distribution channel of Speechless Controlling Words Controlling Minds.

02:07:22.000 Probably more than The Daily Wire even at this point.

02:07:24.000 That's legally binding, you said it.

02:07:25.000 It is.

02:07:25.000 Oh no!

02:07:26.000 All right, this is your book now.

02:07:27.000 I did, I brought it.

02:07:28.000 Thank you so much to everyone who's pre-ordered Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

02:07:31.000 Available, I think there's still some signed first editions, which you can get at speechlessbook.com.

02:07:35.000 You can also get it anywhere books are sold, including in the top propaganda bin at Amazon.

02:07:41.000 In the gas station propaganda bin.

02:07:45.000 The propaganda bin at the airport, yes.

02:07:47.000 Follow me at IanCrossland.net and on social media, Ian Crossland.

02:07:50.000 I just want to give a special shout out to Michael Knoll's new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

02:07:57.000 Pick up a copy on Amazon and anywhere the books are sold.

02:08:01.000 Is that accurate?

02:08:03.000 It's perfect.

02:08:04.000 I think that we are in fact selling this because I did pull up the Amazon listing.

02:08:07.000 You are the number one bestseller in quote propaganda and political psychology.

02:08:13.000 And I did have a question.

02:08:13.000 Michael, I had a question for you.

02:08:15.000 So your first book had no words.

02:08:17.000 So to me, is that why your second book is named Speechless?

02:08:21.000 It's a little cheeky.

02:08:22.000 And by the way, the first book had no words.

02:08:24.000 This book is about words.

02:08:25.000 The entire book is about words.

02:08:27.000 Yes, and so I feel like I've covered the entire spectrum.

02:08:30.000 And I never have to do it again.

02:08:31.000 Yes.

02:08:33.000 I have a book.

02:08:33.000 It says, like, it's something like how the policies of the left will save America.

02:08:39.000 And then every page just says they won't.

02:08:41.000 They won't.

02:08:42.000 I was going to try to sue the guy.

02:08:44.000 You know, I didn't know because there are other blank books.

02:08:47.000 Yeah.

02:08:47.000 There's everything men know about women, sex after 50, the wisdom of the German people.

02:08:51.000 They're a bunch.

02:08:52.000 Oh, wow.

02:08:53.000 That should be mine.

02:08:54.000 All right, everybody, we will see you over at TimCast.com.

02:08:57.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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