Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Jussie Smollett Found GUILTY On Felony Hate Crime Hoax Charges w-Jan Jekielek

00:00:00.000 Peace.

00:00:11.000 Jesse Smollett is guilty.

00:00:13.000 Guilty on five of six counts, and I'm really confused as to how they didn't find him guilty on the sixth count, but they didn't.

00:00:21.000 Either way, I guess each charge carries a maximum penalty of three years in prison, which will never happen.

00:00:28.000 I mean, come on.

00:00:28.000 They're going to be like, Jussie Smollett, you owe the court $50.

00:00:31.000 And that's going to be the end of it.

00:00:33.000 No, probably not.

00:00:34.000 I think he might get a heavy fine in probation.

00:00:36.000 But we'll see.

00:00:36.000 We got a lot to break down.

00:00:38.000 We've got some great tweets to bring up from the president and the vice president about how they were supporting this man and how many were.

00:00:45.000 So we'll get into all that stuff with Jussie Smollett. 0.99

00:00:46.000 He's saying he will be filing an appeal, which is the most insane thing I've ever heard, considering how stupid his defense was. 0.98

00:00:53.000 And we all expected this to happen. 0.99

00:00:55.000 And then it did.

00:00:56.000 We also got a bunch of other crazy news.

00:00:58.000 The Prime Minister of Finland went out clubbing, wasn't answering her phone.

00:01:02.000 We've got, this one is, this one blew my mind.

00:01:05.000 Joe Biden, the Biden administration is effectively telling Ukraine to surrender their eastern front to Russian backed separatists, to just give them autonomy in the region to some degree.

00:01:15.000 And this is Biden basically saying, Putin, you've won.

00:01:18.000 We're giving you, we're waiving the sanctions on the gas pipeline.

00:01:21.000 We don't got anything else here.

00:01:23.000 And this one's a little tough, because in my opinion, I agree with Tucker when he said, why do we care about Ukraine's border?

00:01:29.000 He's right.

00:01:30.000 So if this avoids war, why should I care about Ukraine?

00:01:33.000 And if Joe Biden doesn't...

00:01:35.000 But my concern is, like with Afghanistan, he's blundering our foreign policy worse than it should be.

00:01:39.000 I mean, getting out of Afghanistan was the right thing to do, but not the way he did it. 0.76

00:01:43.000 So, we're gonna get into all that, and joining us today is Jan Jekielek of the Epoch Times.

00:01:48.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:01:49.000 Well, really great to be on the show here.

00:01:52.000 Yeah, I'm a senior editor with Epoch Times.

00:01:55.000 I host American Thought Leaders on Epoch TV on our streaming platform and on NTD now on cable, 23 million cable households.

00:02:02.000 That's pretty awesome.

00:02:03.000 I'm kind of shocked to be on there a bit.

00:02:06.000 No, and we've been bringing on some pretty, pretty interesting people, especially lately, a lot of people that are, you know, basically talking honestly about the, scientists that are talking honestly about the realities of coronavirus and the policies and everything else.

00:02:21.000 Cool, man.

00:02:21.000 Well, glad to have you.

00:02:22.000 We got Luke here as well.

00:02:23.000 Now we have two Poles on the show here, which means that this is our show, under our control. 1.00

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00:02:45.000 Jan, can we get a translation?

00:02:46.000 You have to buy this shirt on TheBestPolarkoShirts.com because if you don't buy it, I won't be sitting here.

00:02:54.000 I'm telling you the truth now.

00:02:55.000 Jan, it's very good that you're here.

00:02:57.000 But how many Poles are listening here? 0.99

00:03:00.000 Tell me, honestly.

00:03:01.000 It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

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00:03:10.000 I don't think you need a translation.

00:03:11.000 I think it's pretty clear what he wants to get across, right?

00:03:14.000 I'm getting it.

00:03:16.000 I can translate this.

00:03:17.000 I can translate this.

00:03:18.000 He said, I need to make money.

00:03:20.000 Buy my t-shirts, please.

00:03:23.000 He's the hippie. 0.99

00:03:27.000 He's a dirty hippie, actually. 1.00

00:03:33.000 You filthy hippie. 1.00

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00:03:38.000 I wanted to confirm that it is both epoch times and epoch times, depending on if you're American English, British English.

00:03:46.000 You say epoch because so they don't mix it up and think it's epic.

00:03:50.000 E-P-I-C. 0.99

00:03:51.000 That's right.

00:03:51.000 It's E-P-O-C-H.

00:03:53.000 So I'm kind of of the school.

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00:03:57.000 Epoch.

00:03:58.000 Because it's phonetic.

00:03:58.000 Epoch.

00:03:58.000 Right?

00:04:00.000 You can hear it.

00:04:01.000 Well, I'm Ian Crossland.

00:04:02.000 Happy to be here.

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00:04:04.000 What up?

00:04:05.000 I'm also here getting my language lesson in Polish tonight.

00:04:08.000 We only need Jack Pasopic here to complete the trifecta of Polish dudes, so that would be fun. 1.00

00:04:12.000 Maybe next time.

00:04:13.000 He doesn't speak Polish, though.

00:04:14.000 He doesn't?

00:04:15.000 No, he speaks Mandarin.

00:04:16.000 No, but he speaks Mandarin.

00:04:17.000 It's pretty impressive, actually.

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00:07:39.000 Ladies and gentlemen, from TimCast.com, Jussie Smollett found guilty on first five counts of felony disorderly conduct, not guilty on count six.

00:07:47.000 Former Empire actor has been found guilty.

00:07:50.000 Deliberations lasted just over nine hours, with the jury delivering the verdict Thursday evening around 6.15 p.m.

00:07:56.000 Smollett was acquitted on count 6 of felony disorderly conduct, which refers to the defendant reporting to Detective Robert Graves on February 14, 2019, about two weeks after the incident, that he'd been the victim of an aggravated robbery.

00:08:09.000 All other charges were related to the events that took place on January 29, 2019.

00:08:14.000 As it stands, Judge James Lynn will have the discretion in imposing a concurrent or consecutive sentence for Smollett on each count at a later date.

00:08:22.000 A disorderly conduct charge for false crime report is a class 4 felony.

00:08:26.000 Which means it is punishable by up to three years in prison and a $25,000 fine.

00:08:31.000 Smollett took the stand and testified before the jury that he'd never lied to the police and denied orchestrating the attack on himself.

00:08:38.000 However, it goes a little bit beyond just that.

00:08:41.000 According to one report we covered the other day, the prosecutor in the closing arguments accused Smollett of perjury.

00:08:48.000 Many different news outlets and columnists said, sure does look like Smollett just perjured himself.

00:08:54.000 So he may try to get out of this one somehow.

00:08:56.000 He's going to try and appeal, but he could get charged with perjury now.

00:08:59.000 Now, as for a prison time, I don't know what you guys, I don't, I don't think it'll happen.

00:09:03.000 I think he's going to get a slap on the wrist.

00:09:04.000 They're going to be like, we've got too many political allies.

00:09:07.000 He's super wealthy.

00:09:08.000 What?

00:09:08.000 He'll pay a fine and then he's disgraced?

00:09:11.000 Is that, is that all we're going to get out of this?

00:09:12.000 Or we cross our fingers, hope he goes to jail.

00:09:15.000 Well, I mean, was anyone concern that you know I saw that for example BLM came out with a statement basically saying you know we support his position here which I thought was fascinating because this is you know I still remember the police chief you know coming out and saying you know we spent 200 hours on chase on this wild goose chase this is this is a you know horrible we can't we can't do this right this is

00:09:39.000 You never see police chiefs coming out and sort of, you know, basically saying this, this guy's guilty, etc, etc.

00:09:45.000 You just, you just don't see it.

00:09:45.000 It was so open and shut.

00:09:47.000 And how, where, what did the prosecution, what were they thinking?

00:09:50.000 Putting together this particular, sorry, the defense, I mean, what was the defense thinking putting together this?

00:09:58.000 Did you see their defense?

00:09:59.000 Did you see what they tried to do?

00:10:00.000 Yeah.

00:10:01.000 Like, accuse the judge of lunging at you, then demand a mistrial, then demand a mistrial over not being allowed to cross-examine properly, which was bunk, and then nearly crying and running out of the courtroom with your mother.

00:10:13.000 That's quite literally what one of the defense lawyers for Smollett did.

00:10:17.000 The BLM comment is big, that you mentioned earlier, because it was a BLM leader, Malina Abdullah, who said that Black Lives Matter stands in solidarity with Jussie Smollett because we could never believe the police.

00:10:31.000 Now, I believe also Blair White had a very interesting comment about this.

00:10:34.000 She said, poor Smollett, I hope he doesn't beat himself up over this.

00:10:38.000 Which I thought was very fitting.

00:10:40.000 There's also a lot of jokes about the juce being squeezed.

00:10:43.000 But this sends a message to a lot of people.

00:10:46.000 If you try to divide this country, if you fake a hate crime, there's going to be some ramifications for it.

00:10:51.000 What are those ramifications?

00:10:53.000 Is he going to get probation?

00:10:55.000 Is he going to have to pay a heavy fine?

00:10:57.000 Is he going to go to jail?

00:10:59.000 Uh, well, we're only going to see because I think that's up for the judge to decide, not the prosecutor, right?

00:11:04.000 Yeah, it's, it's, well, I don't know if it's the judge.

00:11:06.000 I believe the judge will, will, will issue sentencing.

00:11:08.000 It's not gonna be the prosecutor.

00:11:09.000 But, um, whether he goes to jail will be interesting.

00:11:12.000 So he's got five felony counts.

00:11:14.000 I believe they're five felony counts, each with three years.

00:11:17.000 And the judge could be like, that's 15 years, buddy.

00:11:20.000 I really doubt that.

00:11:21.000 But, but some people are saying it might be a year.

00:11:24.000 I mean, it's a felony.

00:11:25.000 So they might be like, look, so typically when you're convicted of a misdemeanor, they have a jail sentence, not a prison sentence of up to one year.

00:11:32.000 So I don't know how it works outside of Illinois, but I can say in Illinois, my understanding, it's been a long time since I was studying this stuff.

00:11:39.000 Is that if you commit a misdemeanor, they can at most put you in jail for 364 days.

00:11:45.000 That would be like Cook County Jail, not a prison, not a state penitentiary.

00:11:49.000 But once you cross that threshold into a year, they move you to one of the like, you know, maximum security prisons or state prisons.

00:11:55.000 And that's where things are really bad, like really bad.

00:11:59.000 So Smollett, I think if he's going to go to jail, it's going to be a year, isn't it?

00:12:04.000 Yeah, but it won't be like a maximum security thing, I'm sure, right?

00:12:07.000 Even though it's technically a felony.

00:12:08.000 I don't know anything about this, but... I don't know.

00:12:10.000 This is a violent... I mean, how would you classify this?

00:12:12.000 I mean, it's a Class 4 felony, so it's the weakest of felonies.

00:12:15.000 Right.

00:12:16.000 And he didn't, like, beat an old lady or anything like that.

00:12:18.000 Right.

00:12:19.000 But it's not a white-collar crime.

00:12:20.000 It's not like they're gonna put him in a golf resort.

00:12:22.000 The crime to me is, you know, the police are needed in Chicago, you know, the police are needed in this city, you know, and, and this is like, I think they said 200 hours that were used to basically, you know, follow wild goose chase.

00:12:38.000 That was not that, that, that, that is a terrible, terrible thing for a city with that level of crime.

00:12:42.000 I would argue that they're doing a very poor job because of the high level of crime, because of how the government has been implementing policy there.

00:12:49.000 I mean, the district attorney in Chicago is Kim Foxx.

00:12:52.000 She went out of her way to make sure that Juicy Smollett wasn't facing any charges at all. 1.00

00:12:57.000 She was clearly a huge conflict of interest since she was friends with him, friends with the Obamas, friends with a lot of highly connected people.

00:13:06.000 So I bet on appeal, there's going to be a lot of finagling.

00:13:09.000 I think there's going to be more to this case that are going to surprise the rest of America.

00:13:13.000 Because if you remember, this was a heinous case that motivated the establishment to scream out and point out against Trump supporters and say, these are really horrible people.

00:13:24.000 This is the example that we need to stand on.

00:13:26.000 We need to make sure that this never happens again.

00:13:29.000 And then poof, we all found out that it was all a hoax, all made up.

00:13:32.000 I want to pull up, we did briefly pull up the Black Lives Matter statement.

00:13:35.000 We have it here from their website.

00:13:36.000 December 7th statement regarding the ongoing trial of Jussie Smollett.

00:13:39.000 They say, I'm not going to read the whole thing, but, In our commitment to abolition, we can never believe police,

00:13:44.000 especially the Chicago Police Department over Jesse Smollett, a black man who has

00:13:48.000 been courageously present, visible, and vocal in the struggle for black freedom.

00:13:52.000 While policing at large is an irredeemable institution, CPD is notorious for its long and deep history of

00:13:57.000 corruption, racism, and brutality.

00:13:59.000 Now I'll tell you, I'll tell you, here's the, here's the challenge I face,

00:14:01.000 but I think the decision is still simple.

00:14:03.000 Ah.

00:14:04.000 Being from Chicago, which people like to point out in the chat I say a lot, but I don't really think I say it that often, but I'm from there and I've dealt with bad cops.

00:14:12.000 I've had cops screw with me and as much as I have issues with like the black site they were operating, that's where they were secretly taking people and detaining them, they've done to activists.

00:14:21.000 I have seen, there was one viral moment in Chicago where a meter maid gave a cop a ticket So he, like, grabbed her by the neck and slammed her and lifted her up against the wall.

00:14:30.000 There was another video where a bunch of off-duty cops beat the crap out of a bartender.

00:14:33.000 So I've seen The Bad Cops Chicago.

00:14:35.000 And with all that I've experienced, when I saw this story, I said, the cops are telling the truth.

00:14:40.000 Right. 1.00

00:14:41.000 Like, Jussie Smollett's story is so stupid. 1.00

00:14:44.000 And dangerous. 1.00

00:14:44.000 It's really dangerous. 1.00

00:14:46.000 It was a smear against half the country and the president, and it rallied a bunch of people into believing this crackpot BS about Trump.

00:14:54.000 That bothers me.

00:14:55.000 If we're going to have a conversation about what's true, we need to sit down.

00:14:58.000 I've sat down at many dinner tables with Trump supporters, and we've had great conversations on racism in this country.

00:15:04.000 And you'd be surprised how many of them are like, yeah, I understand that.

00:15:06.000 But these people want to tell you, I mean, actually, maybe none of us here would be surprised if they go, yeah, we get it. 0.97

00:15:11.000 But these people want you to believe they're all demon, white supremacists, evil, MAGA country lurking around. 0.98

00:15:17.000 Black Lives Matter, this statement is so insane. 1.00

00:15:21.000 Come on. 1.00

00:15:22.000 Like, I'm surprised they were willing to do something so dumb. 0.97

00:15:26.000 And that is with respect to understanding the problems in the Chicago Police Department. 0.98

00:15:30.000 I don't know how you can possibly say something like you can never believe a given set of people and expect people to take you seriously.

00:15:37.000 That's clearly so purely ideologically motivated.

00:15:40.000 Why would anyone take anything you have to say with any degree of seriousness?

00:15:44.000 It's just broad brushing an entire group.

00:15:46.000 It was same with believe all women. 0.98

00:15:48.000 I thought that's so ridiculous because some women lie and when they do you don't want to believe them and sometimes you do want to believe the police because they tell you the truth. 0.99

00:15:55.000 So all this hyperbole and extremity is like devastating. 0.96

00:15:59.000 I'll say this like, you know, I mentioned this.

00:16:03.000 Half-jokingly, I'm like, what if it turns out, you know, uh, Smut's telling the truth?

00:16:07.000 Yeah.

00:16:07.000 Well, now he's been convicted by a jury of his peers, so he's guilty.

00:16:11.000 He did it.

00:16:11.000 Right.

00:16:12.000 Um, you know, we'll see what happens with appeal, perhaps. 0.99

00:16:14.000 People can be evicted, but I just, I think his story outright was just the stupidest thing anyone had ever heard. 0.99

00:16:20.000 Laughably bad. 0.99

00:16:20.000 But... 0.99

00:16:22.000 Maybe, you know, during the trial, I'm like, maybe there's a chance that the O'Sundara brothers actually are sophisticated criminals who set him all up. 0.74

00:16:27.000 That's why I kept saying, innocent until proven guilty, although I think we reasonably believe he's guilty. 0.65

00:16:32.000 And secret homophobes and white supremacists at the same time. 0.91

00:16:36.000 And pale skinned. 0.98

00:16:40.000 But but again we also have to remember charges were initially dropped against Moulet on March 8th.

00:16:44.000 There was a grand jury indictment charges were dropped two weeks later.

00:16:48.000 And then there was an outrage because of that.

00:16:50.000 And that's when the Chicago police chief decided to make statements against this.

00:16:54.000 And that's why they called it a quote whitewash of justice particular interesting words chosen there.

00:17:00.000 For this particular incident, but Kim Foxx this whole time was saying that the charges were excessive.

00:17:05.000 She, of course, is heavily connected.

00:17:06.000 She did recuse herself from originally charging Jussé Smollett.

00:17:10.000 So obviously on the appeal, I would look out for more finagling, more political intervention during this case, because this was political from the very beginning.

00:17:19.000 We saw Kamala Harris get involved in this. 1.00

00:17:21.000 We saw Joe Biden get involved in this, and they were using this for their own political power.

00:17:26.000 Yep, this is a long trend.

00:17:28.000 There's a book about hate crime hoaxes, there's a website tracking hate crime hoaxes, and Jussie Smollett was just capitalizing off of what we had already seen.

00:17:37.000 Mega dangerous. 0.99

00:17:39.000 It is stupid what he did, but it's so dangerous. 1.00

00:17:42.000 Not only did he waste cops' time, like you were saying earlier, what, 100 hours? 200. 1.00

00:17:46.000 200 either that's 200 man hours or 200 hours of like patrol groups of cops going out.

00:17:50.000 I don't know 200 man hours.

00:17:51.000 Let's say that's it 40 bucks an hour.

00:17:53.000 You know, what is that $80,000 40 bucks 20 bucks an hour somewhere 50 to $80,000.

00:17:58.000 They've wasted just an hourly wages is wasted.

00:18:01.000 So he should pay all that back now.

00:18:04.000 They're assuming him for it when it comes to punishment throwing a guy in jail for 10 years.

00:18:08.000 I don't know but allowing a high-profile person to fake a hate crime is super dangerous.

00:18:13.000 We cannot let people do that in society.

00:18:15.000 We do have an update here from the Associated Press as well.

00:18:19.000 From just a few minutes before the show started, Smollett attorney says ex-Empire actor will appeal the verdict.

00:18:25.000 Justice Smollett's defense attorney said Thursday he will appeal the former Empire actor's conviction for lying to police about being the victim of a racist anti-gay attack.

00:18:32.000 A jury found Smollett guilty, this we now know.

00:18:35.000 After the verdict was read, Uch told reporters Smollett was disappointed and that he's 100%

00:18:40.000 innocent.

00:18:41.000 He said Smollett's team is confident he's going to be cleared of all, all accusations

00:18:45.000 on all charges.

00:18:46.000 At a certain point, I just have to say, dude, guy, give it up, man.

00:18:51.000 Man, apologize.

00:18:52.000 Just, if he had come out and said, look, I was just trying to bring attention to, you 0.99

00:18:58.000 know, racism and I thought people weren't listening and it was stupid. 1.00

00:19:01.000 I'd have still been like, screw this guy, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:19:03.000 But a lot of people probably would have been like, alright, alright, he fessed up, he admitted it. 0.58

00:19:07.000 And my response typically is, okay, here's what I'll do.

00:19:10.000 If you come out, admit it, and apologize, I will give you a second chance.

00:19:14.000 You know why?

00:19:15.000 If you don't, their only option is to go the other direction.

00:19:18.000 So if Smollett does something bad, and everyone hates him for it, and then he comes out and says, yo, I shouldn't have done that, it was a huge mistake, I'll say, alright bro, I'm cool with that, I'm cool with that, never do it again, and we're good, because I want you to keep walking towards the light and away from the darkness.

00:19:30.000 If you attack him for it and say, screw you, I'll never forgive you, he'll be like, darkness it is, and we don't want any of that.

00:19:35.000 If I was working for Smollett and I was a part of his PR team, I would have been like, OK, we're bringing the Bloods and the Crips together. 1.00

00:19:41.000 We're bringing the Trump supporters and BLM together. 0.81

00:19:43.000 We're going to use this opportunity to see what we have in common with each other.

00:19:47.000 And we're going to have a sit down and we're going to work our differences out and actually show that we could be civilized, humane throughout all of this and not let political discourse ruin our humanity.

00:19:58.000 That's what I would have been doing.

00:19:59.000 But that would help too much people, I think.

00:20:02.000 Here's what concerns me, okay?

00:20:04.000 And this is why, like, I was actually worried that it might be, you know, it might be a clean, innocent verdict, right?

00:20:11.000 Because the people that are running the Black Lives Matter organization, they subscribe to a very particular kind of ideology. 0.54

00:20:19.000 I mean, John McWhorter, you know, he documents this, the Columbia professor, in Woke Racism, his new book, that he sees it as a religion, right?

00:20:28.000 I agree.

00:20:28.000 And the idea is, right, that Their perspective on innocent is because of who he is, he's innocent.

00:20:36.000 It doesn't actually matter what he did, right?

00:20:39.000 And this is a really disturbing way to think about the world, right?

00:20:43.000 When you really think about it, right?

00:20:45.000 And then, of course, other people will be structurally innocent.

00:20:47.000 Some people are structurally innocent.

00:20:49.000 Some people are structurally guilty.

00:20:52.000 It kind of makes me think of Christianity and how if you accept Christ into your heart, you go to heaven, and if you don't, you go to hell.

00:20:57.000 This doesn't make any sense, but to people that are real believers, right, and the elect,

00:21:02.000 as John McWhorter calls them, they actually think it works that way.

00:21:06.000 Kind of makes me think of Christianity and how if you accept Christ into your heart,

00:21:09.000 you go to heaven, and if you don't, you go to hell. 0.95

00:21:12.000 I always never got that.

00:21:13.000 So it doesn't...

00:21:14.000 Either I'm in the club or I'm not in the club.

00:21:17.000 It doesn't matter what I do.

00:21:18.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:21:20.000 So it sounds like Black Lives Matter has adopted that mentality. 0.86

00:21:22.000 Well, there's no forgiveness in their cult, as you brought up very eloquently.

00:21:26.000 When you are wrong, when you are the person that's deemed someone as evil, someone who is institutionally hurting people, there's no coming back from it.

00:21:34.000 Even if you apologize, you even get attacked by them even more.

00:21:36.000 And apologies are an admission of guilt.

00:21:39.000 So this is the problem.

00:21:40.000 I don't know if everybody agrees with me on forgiveness.

00:21:43.000 But I think you have to have that forgiveness.

00:21:45.000 There has to be the capability for someone to come back to the light.

00:21:49.000 They don't.

00:21:50.000 And that means we, on the side of forgiveness and understanding and logic and reason, are at a huge disadvantage.

00:21:56.000 And there's pros and cons, I suppose, but they're willing to burn it all down.

00:21:59.000 Let me pull up these tweets we have from defiant Ls. 0.74

00:22:03.000 We have Joe Biden.

00:22:05.000 On January 29th, 2019 at 8.31 p.m.

00:22:08.000 I mean, this is basically like the day the news came out that he did this.

00:22:13.000 Joe Biden, without looking at anything, says, What happened today to Jussie Smollett must never be tolerated in this country.

00:22:18.000 We must stand up and demand that we no longer give this hate safe harbor.

00:22:22.000 That homophobia and racism have no place on our streets and or in our hearts.

00:22:27.000 We are with you, Jussie.

00:22:28.000 And then they attach this one.

00:22:30.000 New York Post, Jussie Smollett guilty of staging race-baiting hate attack to boost career.

00:22:34.000 Then we get Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:22:35.000 She said, And then Josh Kaplan Jury finds actor Smollett guilty on five counts.

00:22:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it.

00:22:39.000 I know. I'm praying for his quick recovery.

00:22:42.000 This was an attempted modern-day lynching.

00:22:44.000 No one should have to fear for their life because of their sexuality or color of their

00:22:48.000 skin.

00:22:49.000 We must confront this hate.

00:22:50.000 And then Josh Kaplan, jury, fines actor Smollett guilty on five counts.

00:22:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it.

00:22:55.000 So I'll say this.

00:22:57.000 I would be willing to forgive some people, but probably not Jussie Smollett.

00:23:01.000 Because he is a notorious cult leader among this non-theistic religion. 0.98

00:23:01.000 Why? 0.98

00:23:07.000 That's probably not even fair to say.

00:23:08.000 It's a cult.

00:23:09.000 I would not be forgiving Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, because at a certain point it's like, look, If you do something bad and then you get caught and you fess up and say, I shouldn't have done that.

00:23:19.000 It was wrong of me, but I thought it was a path to, to wealth and fame.

00:23:23.000 And, and you know, now that I got caught and it's threatening to me, I'm like, I'm going to try and stay away from that stuff.

00:23:27.000 I'll be like, Hey, look at that.

00:23:28.000 That's honesty, right?

00:23:29.000 Yeah.

00:23:30.000 Kamala Harris, man.

00:23:31.000 How often does she lie? 1.00

00:23:32.000 How about when Kamala Harris tried keeping people in prison, denying them parole so she can use them as slave labor to fight wildfires. 1.00

00:23:39.000 There's not a person I'm going to forgive because these people are evil.

00:23:42.000 Joe Biden too.

00:23:43.000 Her staff is also resigning in record numbers saying that she's scolding them to the level where it's bringing on PTSD for many people within her office.

00:23:50.000 People are just scared of her. 0.80

00:23:53.000 And there was this one tweet from this one poor worker inside of the White House saying, Hey, for the record, I work for Kamala and everything's great.

00:24:01.000 And it looked almost like the exact version of that cartoon with fire all over him saying everything is fine.

00:24:07.000 It was absolutely incredible.

00:24:09.000 Uh, but, but, you know, these are the people that we're dealing with.

00:24:12.000 People who are hard-headed, people who believe in themselves, people who, no matter what, will do anything for power, and that's exactly the game that they're in.

00:24:19.000 But, let's be fair, too.

00:24:20.000 Are the people who are quitting Kamala Harris's, uh, you know, administration, or as you would call it, because she's mean, are they millennials?

00:24:27.000 Um, I think that would be an important factor here, because I'm wondering how much of this is the coddling of the American mind.

00:24:30.000 staff members that left because there's other complaints from inside so it has

00:24:34.000 to be a broad range it can't just be young millennial. I think that would be an

00:24:37.000 important factor here because I'm wondering how much of this is the

00:24:40.000 coddling of the the American mind. You know you've got these young people who 0.93

00:24:45.000 are like Kamala came in and she was upset that I accidentally put the wrong 0.94

00:24:49.000 cream in her coffee.

00:24:50.000 And Kamala's like, oh hey, I asked for two cream. 0.99

00:24:53.000 Could you get it fixed for me?

00:24:54.000 And she went, and like just freaked out.

00:24:56.000 And you think I'm exaggerating too, but these people claim microaggressions are violence and stuff like that.

00:25:01.000 So for all we know, Kamala is doing something like, excuse me, I told you to bring the packet upstairs. 0.99

00:25:07.000 Could you please get it done?

00:25:08.000 And they freak out and they're like, I can't work here.

00:25:11.000 So, based on the fact that she literally kept people in prison for longer so they could fight fires for pennies on the dot. 1.00

00:25:16.000 When she knew they were innocent.

00:25:18.000 Well, not, not, not, mixing two stories there.

00:25:18.000 Exactly.

00:25:20.000 I'll make sure we're very careful.

00:25:21.000 Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.

00:25:22.000 There were people who were about to be released on parole, and her office argued they should stay so they could be used as slave labor.

00:25:29.000 There was another individual she knew was innocent and they tried withholding the evidence to stop them from getting released.

00:25:34.000 I believe, I could be wrong about that last one.

00:25:36.000 There's another Fox News story that says Kamala Harris staffers leaving White House in part because they fear being labeled Harris person report.

00:25:45.000 Yeah, so that's other articles out there.

00:25:48.000 But the ones that I saw was scaring people, scolding them, destroying their souls, which would make sense from a state prosecutor that has been absolutely ruthless throughout her entire career and literally, knowingly put innocent people behind bars.

00:26:04.000 You know, there's still an opportunity.

00:26:06.000 You know, Tim, you talk about, you know, this opportunity for redemption, forgiveness.

00:26:10.000 This is an incredibly important feature.

00:26:12.000 And you're very right to say, by the way, that this is absent in the, you know, woke ideology, a woke religion.

00:26:18.000 But, you know, perhaps both the president and the vice president can, you know, seeing this guilty verdict, can say, hey, look, we were wrong.

00:26:27.000 They're not going to do that, though.

00:26:28.000 I mean, come on.

00:26:30.000 It's the weirdest thing that, it's not the weirdest thing.

00:26:33.000 It's just, it's frustrating that something can happen with someone on the right and the people on the right will throw them out the window in two seconds.

00:26:40.000 You know, like if you look at what happened with the George Floyd incident, every single person in the country immediately jumps on board.

00:26:48.000 Admittedly, so did I. I was like, that was wrong.

00:26:49.000 We watched it happen.

00:26:50.000 Didn't look good.

00:26:51.000 And then later we start getting more and more details and we're like, okay, so it was kind of a bad situation, but it wasn't as cut and dry as we initially thought.

00:26:59.000 The left doesn't do that.

00:27:01.000 I mean, we had that poll yesterday from Axios that young Democrats are substantially more intolerant than young Republicans.

00:27:08.000 So this is a recurring trend that is setting freedom-loving individuals at a disadvantage.

00:27:14.000 We're willing to forgive.

00:27:15.000 We're willing to be tolerant.

00:27:16.000 But the establishment liberal types, Democrat types, they're not.

00:27:20.000 Josie Smollett comes out, they jump up and they scream all to high heavens in demand. 1.00

00:27:24.000 And what do conservatives do?

00:27:26.000 Well, not all of them, but enough of them will be like, we should recognize this was bad.

00:27:30.000 We'll see how it plays out.

00:27:32.000 How do we function if they're willing to lie, cheat, and steal?

00:27:36.000 And then I'll throw it to you.

00:27:37.000 Walkashaw.

00:27:39.000 When a car, an SUV, commits this atrocity because it gained sentience and somehow decided to destroy all humans.

00:27:48.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:27:49.000 But when we get a man with black nationalist sentiment on Facebook in support for Black Lives Matter, and he commits this atrocity, the media drops the story overnight.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, rest assured, if there's a conservative or right-wing person, it will be non-stop press.

00:28:04.000 Like, we had a guy go to the ICE facility.

00:28:06.000 We had 100 days of violent rioting and firebombing of a federal building in Portland, and the media's like, the insurrection was January 6th.

00:28:14.000 I don't know if it matters, to be completely honest, because I think people see through it.

00:28:19.000 I think you're right.

00:28:20.000 No, actually, I think that's exactly, that's what I was thinking.

00:28:22.000 I think that's the point.

00:28:23.000 I think there's all these people, I mean, I keep talking to people, people keep writing, we get tons of mail at Epoch Times for the show, for the whole, for the whole paper and everything.

00:28:32.000 And we have a ton of people that basically say, I feel politically homeless.

00:28:37.000 I've heard mugged by reality.

00:28:39.000 I've heard politically homeless.

00:28:40.000 I've heard, you know, I don't recognize, you know, I am a Democrat, but what's happened, right?

00:28:47.000 I don't get what some of the people... And then there's this large group of people that are just kind of afraid to say anything because they'll get attacked in the way that conservatives tend to get attacked, right?

00:28:59.000 So it's interesting.

00:29:00.000 We kind of say, you know, Democrats or liberals, but I think it's not as big a group as we think.

00:29:06.000 I used to, a few years ago, I actually cared.

00:29:09.000 And I think there's a correlation between when CNN stopped reporting the news and me not caring what these people think anymore, to a certain degree.

00:29:15.000 So I remember I would have CNN on all the time. 0.99

00:29:18.000 And they'd be reporting the news and then they'd have their stupid anti-Trump stuff. 0.99

00:29:21.000 But I was like, you know, whatever. 0.99

00:29:22.000 And then one day I noticed they weren't reporting major news.

00:29:25.000 It was like protests in Iran or something.

00:29:27.000 And so I changed the channel.

00:29:28.000 And then from that point on, more and more, you turn on CNN and it would be a panel about Trump, a panel about Trump.

00:29:33.000 And I was like, there's no news here.

00:29:34.000 And so it wasn't this conscious decision where I was like, CNN has lost the plot.

00:29:41.000 It was kind of like, I'm looking for the news about this big event.

00:29:43.000 I can't watch CNN.

00:29:45.000 So at that point, I'm getting to the point where I'm like, people who watch this are detached from reality.

00:29:51.000 But that brought me to a point where I was like, I need to inform people what's true and what's not true because CNN is lying and MSNBC is lying.

00:29:57.000 Now I'm at the point where I'm pretty sure nobody believes them.

00:30:00.000 I mean, the people who do may be too far gone or lost or whatever.

00:30:04.000 They're still worth talking to and trying to communicate with.

00:30:06.000 Maybe you can help reach some of them.

00:30:06.000 Hey, share this video.

00:30:09.000 But it's funny, like, when I'm on Twitter and I see some of the things these people tweet, and it's just laughably false stuff.

00:30:15.000 Wrong, wrong, wrong.

00:30:16.000 And at a certain point, I'm like, what do you even say to someone who believes the opposite of reality?

00:30:21.000 They believe you believe the opposite of reality, but clearly we don't.

00:30:25.000 I don't know.

00:30:26.000 And you're not even being hyperbolic.

00:30:28.000 CNN has headlines that literally read, why inflation can actually be good for everyday Americans and bad for rich people.

00:30:36.000 So when you have that level of kind of inversion of reality, of the truth, I mean there used to be a point where I used to watch them and I just recognized this is extremely bad for your mental health.

00:30:46.000 But they used to be somewhat okay, especially when it came to breaking news and it wasn't that overt, but it came to a point where it's disgusting.

00:30:53.000 It's like, it's just like you take nasty food and you want to throw it up. 0.90

00:30:56.000 My mind is wanting to throw up every time I put on CNN because it's just so disingenuous and it's so disrespectful for any intelligent person that's even paying a little bit of attention to what's going on to understand that what they're saying is absolutely delusional and crazy.

00:31:11.000 Well, you know, to your points, I remember in 2015, I had this moment, I've been watching China basically, that was my focus for years, right?

00:31:21.000 And I'm watching the American media, and there's, by the way, the state propaganda in China, right?

00:31:27.000 It's all kind of centralized, the talking points are spread out.

00:31:30.000 And it just functions a certain way.

00:31:32.000 There's certain patterns.

00:31:33.000 You watch it for a while, you see those patterns.

00:31:35.000 In 2015, I think our media in America went crazy.

00:31:40.000 That's what I saw.

00:31:41.000 You said 2015?

00:31:43.000 This was basically post-Trump announcing his candidacy and all these narratives starting to build and these changes.

00:31:43.000 2015.

00:31:50.000 You actually put your finger on it, Tim, these changes in how the programming worked, right?

00:31:55.000 And I started watching.

00:31:56.000 I was like, wait a sec.

00:31:57.000 This is like, this is working like the Chinese media.

00:32:00.000 I'm not talking about CNN specifically.

00:32:01.000 I'm talking about broadly, you know, across many media.

00:32:04.000 And this was the part that was bizarre to me because over there, there's the Xinhua,

00:32:08.000 you know, propaganda agency basically controlling everything.

00:32:11.000 Who's controlling everything here, right?

00:32:13.000 But somehow everybody knew what the, what the narratives were supposed to be.

00:32:16.000 It was the weirdest thing.

00:32:17.000 And that's where we suddenly, you know, at Epoch Times, became weird and odd because we were just doing something different, right?

00:32:25.000 Which was just being truth-seeking, right?

00:32:28.000 So something really changed in 2015, I think.

00:32:32.000 It seemed like they wanted Hillary in so bad into the office and then her email scandal appeared and the media just kind of, this is like, okay, this is an opportunity to break one of the biggest stories of the 21st century.

00:32:44.000 This is huge.

00:32:45.000 Hillary Clinton, 10,000 plus emails of her working with Sidney Blumenthal to get us into Libya, like so much incriminating.

00:32:52.000 And it was like silence because, and it was silence and it was like a coordinated silence.

00:32:57.000 I sensed it too, I just didn't realize, I didn't see the correlation between that and Chinese state propaganda.

00:33:01.000 What do you think it's like the Council on Foreign Relations is related to coordinating?

00:33:05.000 Like, AT&T owns CNN.

00:33:08.000 So, like, at what point are these corporations coming up to, like, a group of, like, six dudes getting together and being like, I'm gonna have my media organizations run this story on Tuesday.

00:33:15.000 They're like, well, we'll do it on Wednesday.

00:33:17.000 Well, they had something called the journo list.

00:33:20.000 So it's journo-list.

00:33:23.000 Clever.

00:33:24.000 And I was actually on some of these things.

00:33:26.000 These were Facebook communities and email groups where all of the New York media would be in an email chain or like a forum.

00:33:36.000 Someone would post news, they would all see it, and then everyone would write it.

00:33:39.000 So this created this weird narrative collusion. 0.75

00:33:43.000 I actually think people underestimate how much this turned media into rage bait garbage nonsense and pulled the media class outside of America.

00:33:54.000 So when you have people who only get their news from each other, they're sitting in a room talking to each other. 0.66

00:34:01.000 I'll tell you this.

00:34:02.000 Look at Australia.

00:34:04.000 Got a bunch of really weird critters over there, huh?

00:34:06.000 Why?

00:34:06.000 They have endemic species.

00:34:08.000 Because of the separation of land masses, evolution took a different path there versus another place.

00:34:12.000 That's the easiest way to understand what happens to these news organizations.

00:34:16.000 You take a bunch of these journalists, separate them from regular mainstream Americans, and put them in a room, and they will evolve their perspective and narrative dramatically away from where regular Americans are.

00:34:28.000 Now all of a sudden you get moderates voting for Donald Trump who are like, I think America should have factories here.

00:34:34.000 I agree with Bernie Sanders on not having the borders wide open.

00:34:38.000 And then all of a sudden they're like, that's far right.

00:34:40.000 Bernie Sanders gets swept up in the same thing.

00:34:42.000 It eventually starts spreading.

00:34:44.000 It goes to social media and then Twitter creates, they take this weird mutant worldview from these newsrooms, spread it out all over Twitter, and

00:34:53.000 now it's starting to spread everywhere.

00:34:55.000 So I've actually had this conversation with Peter Boghossian, one of the people who did

00:35:00.000 the Sokol Squared hoax, where they took Mein Kampf and then turned it into a feminist journal,

00:35:05.000 and then it got submitted in, you know, whatever.

00:35:07.000 And his argument was, all of this stuff started in the colleges, and I disagree with that.

00:35:12.000 I believe it started in media and social media.

00:35:14.000 I certainly believe a lot of these ideas—wokeness, critical race theory and all that stuff—did start in colleges, but my argument is it was only when social media and these New York digital publishing firms—blogs—became prominent that these ideas skyrocketed in the LexisNexis database, appearing in the New York Times.

00:35:32.000 And so when people say, yeah, but the ideas originated in universities, I say, a lot of ideas are in universities, but this is the only one that expanded out of it.

00:35:41.000 So when you can highlight a handful of academics with crazy ideas, well, there's probably 3,000 more academics with crazy ideas that are not cultural, you know, Marxism or whatever.

00:35:51.000 But, when you get these people at big tech firms, on these journalist forums, who are using social media algorithms to pump out as many keywords as possible, you get this warped, broken cult.

00:36:05.000 And it's expanding.

00:36:06.000 And the crazy thing is, back in 2012, 2013, when we started seeing GamerGate start, so many people thought these were just creepy weirdos.

00:36:15.000 Now, we did a member segment the other day about tulpas and mind alters, people who are suffering from some kind of social psychosis.

00:36:25.000 So these are people who believe they have multiple people in their heads.

00:36:29.000 And they make TikTok videos where they're like, one girl's like, I am a doll.

00:36:33.000 I forget to breathe.

00:36:34.000 And like these really weird behaviors.

00:36:37.000 It's a social contagion that's emerging from this.

00:36:40.000 And we're watching it happen in real time.

00:36:41.000 That's not out of universities.

00:36:42.000 That's from what the media is doing.

00:36:44.000 And journalists are wrapped up in it all the same.

00:36:46.000 So what you're saying, the Chinese top-down, what'd you call it? 0.93

00:36:50.000 Xinhua.

00:36:50.000 Xinhua organization is coordinating the media that you think that there's more of an emergent phenomenon as well, where like people are saying, hey, that worked on CNN.

00:36:58.000 Let's run it on Fox.

00:37:00.000 Hey, that worked on MSNBC.

00:37:01.000 Let's run it.

00:37:02.000 Although there might be a group of like top-down oligarchs also doing it. 1.00

00:37:07.000 We don't have any evidence for it.

00:37:08.000 That was my conclusion.

00:37:09.000 Well, I think there's certain opinion leaders.

00:37:12.000 Okay, definitely.

00:37:13.000 There's definitely, I mean, you know, there was a time when, you know, basically the New York Times Set the the news agenda for the day and everyone just looked at it in the New York Times I mean talk to anyone that worked in those newsrooms They were aware of the fact that that was their job and that was their their their right You know to kind of do that, right?

00:37:31.000 Of course that the whole sort of explosion of blogs and everything took that away from them or at least to some extent, right?

00:37:38.000 Well, so I have talked about this quite a bit, but I'll just try to make it quick.

00:37:42.000 When you share an article with Kamala Harris in the headline, people who are interested in Kamala Harris are fed that through the algorithm.

00:37:49.000 If you have a headline that says Kamala Harris, Jussie Smollett, now you're getting both groups, group X and group Y, the Jussie Smollett fans and the Kamala fans, and it becomes exponential.

00:37:57.000 So what happened was in the late 2000s, early 2010s, these blogs, Mike.com is a great example because they were pro-Ron Paul initially.

00:38:05.000 Well, the Ron Paul love revolution was very popular online.

00:38:05.000 Why?

00:38:09.000 But what started working better was anti-police brutality, racism, and general wokeness.

00:38:15.000 So this is back in 2010 or 11.

00:38:18.000 They started shifting from a libertarian internet perspective into wokeness, because when you make a headline that says like, trans women of color fighting for Black Lives Matter against police brutality are the strength against white supremacy or whatever, you have all of those keywords crammed in that headline, Facebook feeds it to way more people.

00:38:36.000 All of a sudden now intersectionality started rising and from that we end up now in a whole world where we have members of Congress who are in this cult who believe things that quite literally make no sense.

00:38:47.000 I would argue those who control the algorithms control the minds of the people, and I think that's very evident with a lot of the agenda that has been achieved through manipulation of the perception of everyone's reality.

00:38:59.000 And you could very easily shape that by showing them certain events and denying them other events, talking about certain set of facts, denying other certain amount of facts.

00:39:07.000 There's a lot of people talking about what's happening now in reference to the Cultural Revolution in China.

00:39:11.000 to people so they double down, triple down on their political positions.

00:39:15.000 But I wanted to ask you, Jan, specifically, there's a lot of people talking about what's

00:39:20.000 happening now in reference to the Cultural Revolution in China.

00:39:24.000 Do you think that's a fair, accurate depiction and do you have any examples of how that might

00:39:28.000 be related?

00:39:29.000 Oh, no, absolutely.

00:39:30.000 And that's a fantastic question.

00:39:31.000 I've had a number of people on the show, on American Thought Leaders, talking about this specifically.

00:39:36.000 One woman named Sheevan Fleet.

00:39:38.000 So she kind of became into prominence in Loudoun County.

00:39:41.000 She was one of those parents that came up and spoke and said, I was actually part of the Cultural Revolution.

00:39:47.000 I was there.

00:39:48.000 And so it's actually a really thoughtful interview, right?

00:39:48.000 Right.

00:39:52.000 Because, you know, people will say, well, there isn't, you know, mass killings or something like that.

00:39:56.000 Well, that's true.

00:39:59.000 But, the way that language was manipulated, the way the censorship works, there's a whole series of cultural elements that don't have to do with the actual killing, compelling people to behave a particular way.

00:40:21.000 Everyone being afraid, if I don't join this sort of performance art, this performative behavior.

00:40:27.000 You know, when I looked at those tweets earlier, whenever I see that stuff, I think, you know, these people are basically virtue signaling to their base, so to speak.

00:40:36.000 Yes, I'm on board with you.

00:40:37.000 That's really what it says.

00:40:38.000 It's not really saying, I think this is true or something like that.

00:40:43.000 And this is all very much exactly from the Cultural Revolution.

00:40:46.000 This is what Sivan Fleet talked about.

00:40:47.000 And what about the releasing of criminals?

00:40:49.000 Was that something that occurred during the Communist takeover?

00:40:53.000 So it's you know, we have a we have a series that it's actually very interesting called the nine commentaries on the Communist Party, right?

00:40:53.000 No, so absolutely.

00:41:00.000 And it was this was written by China, our Chinese edition for Chinese.

00:41:04.000 Millions of Chinese have read it.

00:41:06.000 It's a true history of communism in China. 0.92

00:41:08.000 One of the chapters that I never there's a better translation, but originally it was kind of translated in the first version I saw as we were editing it, unleashing the scum of society. 0.85

00:41:19.000 Okay. 0.81

00:41:20.000 And actually, this is what people do in the communist system.

00:41:24.000 They take the people who are cluster B, psychopaths, all this kind of stuff, and you let them loose on society because you basically let them do their thing and create the chaos, right?

00:41:35.000 And sort of break the system so that you can recreate your utopia after.

00:41:39.000 It's just part of the game.

00:41:40.000 And if you're a capitalist or a landowner or a business owner, they literally put you in the middle of the square, start shaving your head, embarrassing you, and try to emasculate you and dehumanize you in front of everyone.

00:41:51.000 One of the scariest parallels when it comes to the cultural revolution that I see now is the centralization of power, the centralization of our economy, and the pure mismanagement of just the food industry and the trade industry.

00:42:04.000 And I think there's a lot of parallels right now when it comes to the centralization of that here in the United States that are terrifying.

00:42:09.000 And scientism.

00:42:10.000 And scientism.

00:42:11.000 Like this idea that there's the science.

00:42:14.000 Here's the perspective.

00:42:15.000 Like science is not one perspective.

00:42:17.000 It never was, never will be, right?

00:42:19.000 But that's how it's playing out here.

00:42:20.000 That's crazy, right?

00:42:22.000 The trope in our media is typically that doing something for science was viewed as like a negative.

00:42:28.000 You know, there'd be like a mad scientist and he'd be experimenting on someone and he'd be like, I must do this for science!

00:42:34.000 And it was like a villainous response to why they must carry it out.

00:42:37.000 It was showing you to be inhuman.

00:42:39.000 Now, you have people who come out and say the science when they really mean the establishment narrative.

00:42:44.000 Because the science has never settled.

00:42:46.000 It's the weirdest thing for them to say that.

00:42:48.000 I mean, I'm sure, you know, Galileo... Science is Dr. Fauci, Tim.

00:42:52.000 Please have a correction for our tech overlords and please forgive, forgive us.

00:42:56.000 Fauci is science.

00:43:00.000 I could not, I could not believe that interview, by the way.

00:43:02.000 I just, I was like... He said it more than once.

00:43:04.000 Twice.

00:43:05.000 Yeah.

00:43:06.000 He said he was the science twice.

00:43:09.000 He's not.

00:43:09.000 Yeah.

00:43:10.000 He's a guy.

00:43:10.000 And he gets things wrong a lot.

00:43:12.000 But it's just so much not any... I mean, you know, my background, I'm an evolutionary biologist, but that's my background, right?

00:43:18.000 You can't say that!

00:43:19.000 That's just nothing to do with science, ever!

00:43:21.000 Right?

00:43:22.000 Well, let's talk about where wokeness brings us, and evolutionary biology I think will be interesting for this next conversation.

00:43:28.000 We have a story from Daily Mail.

00:43:31.000 Trans UPenn swimmer Leah Thomas complains about loss of muscle and strength through hormone treatment, and says she's nowhere close to her previous best, says competing on women's team is fair.

00:43:42.000 Now, I want to say this outright because I think it's important, and I think it's something you'll typically hear from many of the, you know, post-liberal, disaffected liberals or whatever, and even many conservatives, although not all of them.

00:43:53.000 I think people should be able to be happy and free and not disparaged for, you know, whatever individual life choices they want to make so long as they're not harming others.

00:44:01.000 This is the instance where the transgender sport issue actually does start causing, you know, a degree of harm to others. 0.99

00:44:10.000 So if that's not familiar, this is about a person who's biologically male who is transitioning to be a trans woman named Leah Thomas who just broke a record in, you know, a swimming competition.

00:44:22.000 And defeated the next runner-up by over 38 seconds.

00:44:26.000 Which, for people who understand something, if you've ever watched, like, Michael Phelps in the Olympics, that is not just winning.

00:44:31.000 That is, like, just totally outclassing and just absolutely demolishing everyone else.

00:44:39.000 Now there's a lot of people are bringing this up.

00:44:42.000 In an interview with Outkick, a sports website, an unnamed athlete from, I believe this is UPenn, noted that while Thomas is already breaking school and meat records, she soon may be shattering world records.

00:44:57.000 There's a few things I can say here, just to get started.

00:45:00.000 If, you know, the left, if their ideology wins, then I think the simple argument is, we as humans have created these rules for these sporting events, and if we decide to change them, then they change.

00:45:13.000 But that ultimately means there will be no women's sports. 0.98

00:45:16.000 Or I should say, there will be no sports exclusive to females, to use, you know, their language. 1.00

00:45:22.000 Or, I suppose that actually, I shouldn't say or, that's it.

00:45:26.000 That's literally the outcome if we head in that direction.

00:45:29.000 Otherwise, we have to say outright, there will be male and female distinct divisions. 0.79

00:45:34.000 But you mentioned you're an evolutionary biologist, so I suppose we can... Well, that's my background.

00:45:38.000 I haven't been doing, I haven't done it for 20 years, you know.

00:45:40.000 Oh yeah, but you know, you've got some context to add into this conversation, I suppose.

00:45:45.000 Yeah.

00:45:47.000 Well, okay, I mean, I don't know what else I can say.

00:45:51.000 I mean, there are very, very clear... I mean, this is just the biologist's perspective, I think, right?

00:45:59.000 There's just very clear biological differences between men and women that you can't get rid of using hormone therapy or, frankly, surgery or anything. 1.00

00:46:08.000 They're foundational differences.

00:46:11.000 I mean, and this, I say this with the greatest respect for people who are men that want to be women and, you know, I leave them to doing that. 0.75

00:46:20.000 Be free, be free.

00:46:21.000 But this also means you have to, we have to reconcile other people's rights as well.

00:46:25.000 Absolutely.

00:46:25.000 And I mean, like this, this sort of thing, right, just on the face of it, it's, is it unsayable that they won because they're Physically male, right?

00:46:37.000 Someone pulled up the... Is that okay to say?

00:46:40.000 That's an interesting question.

00:46:42.000 You're cancelled!

00:46:43.000 How dare you have such an assumption?

00:46:46.000 What other explanation is there?

00:46:48.000 Are we supposed to believe that somehow this isn't a factor?

00:46:51.000 I mean... What they'll end up saying is no, not because they're male, their genitals had nothing to do with this, it has to do with just being taller and having longer arms.

00:46:59.000 Which is because...

00:47:01.000 Which is a tendency towards being male.

00:47:04.000 So the way I framed it on Twitter is just, look, if the argument is that, from the left, that trans women are women, and they say literally indistinguishable, well then it's quite simple.

00:47:17.000 This transgender swimmer has proven women can swim as fast as men. 0.89

00:47:21.000 True.

00:47:22.000 And that would mean that all the other women who lost by over 38 seconds are just not trying hard enough. 0.99

00:47:27.000 No, actually, I'll be reasonable on this one to a certain degree.

00:47:30.000 I actually believe that there is a lack of competition in some women's sports because there is a lower level of direct competition. 0.95

00:47:40.000 So I've actually seen this in skateboarding.

00:47:42.000 Where there are certain female skaters I know who are insanely good at skating, and when I watch them compete, they compete, like, relaxed. 1.00

00:47:49.000 Like, they're not gonna push themselves too hard because they don't have to, and it keeps everything kind of down.

00:47:54.000 So one of the responses I got to this was, well, this actually will drive biological females to push harder and actually break those records. 1.00

00:48:02.000 But my response to that is, is it gonna matter if the record's already broken by a trans woman?

00:48:06.000 And then they'll never get anywhere near close to it.

00:48:09.000 Somebody pulled up the time that this trans woman, the swimming times by different races, and found they were only off by a few seconds, even after a year of transition.

00:48:21.000 In which case, yeah, it seems like they're still competing at the male level, which apparently they were really good at in the first place.

00:48:28.000 I don't know, is this a tired subject because we know it?

00:48:31.000 It keeps happening.

00:48:32.000 No, it's insane.

00:48:33.000 Completely unfair.

00:48:35.000 There should be a trans division.

00:48:37.000 If you have a kid that fails fourth grade ten times, you don't have him compete with fourth graders when he's 18.

00:48:42.000 Come on.

00:48:43.000 And there's a number of, frankly, feminists that are calling this out because it's destroying women's safety. 1.00

00:48:50.000 Right.

00:48:50.000 That was a really good point, though, Ian.

00:48:52.000 It's a great point.

00:48:53.000 If there's somebody who's, you know, 13, and they're in eighth grade, and they get held back three years, and now they're 16, and I have seen this.

00:49:00.000 I have seen people have been held back three years, you know?

00:49:04.000 Now, a 13-year-old versus a 16-year-old is a big difference.

00:49:07.000 And you're gonna make them play basketball against each other?

00:49:10.000 I don't think so.

00:49:10.000 You shouldn't.

00:49:11.000 I mean, it gets to a point where it's just mechanically... The sport doesn't function if you imbalance it mechanically with artists or performers that are too strong or weak.

00:49:22.000 We were talking to... We had Jack Murphy on... We have him on every other Wednesday, but we had him here a while ago.

00:49:27.000 And he was talking about how his kids, you know, want to be, they're athletes and they want to be

00:49:32.000 at the highest level. And he was talking about, you know, his daughter or whatever. And I was just

00:49:35.000 like, I mean, the future of the Olympics is going to be trans women. And I'm not saying that to be 0.97

00:49:41.000 disrespectful to anybody. I mean, I think it's just an objective fact. This young woman from 0.84

00:49:46.000 UPenn who spoke out said, the aggravated teammate also claimed swimmers have discussed their

00:49:52.000 frustrations with their coach, Mike Schnur, but he quote, just really likes winning.

00:49:57.000 If you're somebody who wants to see your, your team winning, if you get compensation

00:50:02.000 based on how well you do, they're going to be like, don't know, don't care. We're going to win.

00:50:07.000 So I suspect what's probably going to happen is we're going to have men's divisions and we're going to have subpar men's divisions.

00:50:13.000 I suspect that will be the case because I feel like the men who aren't quite as good are going to want to go into trans women's divisions or into the women's division because it's going to be easier.

00:50:23.000 I don't think that.

00:50:23.000 You don't think that?

00:50:24.000 I do not believe there are going to be men who are like, I'll take chemicals and alter my entire life just so I can try and get a career in a sport.

00:50:24.000 Why not?

00:50:31.000 I do think there are going to be guys who are really, who are moderately good, And eventually want to transition and then find themselves dominating the competition.

00:50:41.000 I think it's a leap.

00:50:42.000 A lot of people have made that argument that men will chemically castrate themselves to win at basketball.

00:50:46.000 I'm like, that's nuts.

00:50:48.000 I don't believe that for a second.

00:50:50.000 I do believe there are going to be males who are trans, who are good at sports, or at least, you know, moderately good, or even leaning on the bad side, but still maybe ranking, And then when they transition, that'll put them at the higher bracket of the women's division. 0.82

00:51:03.000 And I believe, for a lot of reasons, that would be unfair to biological females. 1.00

00:51:06.000 I could see a psycho that wanted to win so bad that they just devastate their body, transition it, join another league with this ripped male body into a female league. 1.00

00:51:16.000 I mean, South Park had an episode about that.

00:51:19.000 I was eating dinner the other day and there's a Futurama episode where Bender gets a robot sex change.

00:51:19.000 Futurama.

00:51:25.000 He competes in the Robot Olympics as a, he's male, in the women's division and then wins all the gold medals.

00:51:32.000 And then in order to pass gender testing gets, you know, a robot sex changer or whatever. 0.86

00:51:37.000 And the interesting thing is, this show I think was made in the early 2000s. 0.65

00:51:41.000 All of the characters said it's disgusting.

00:51:43.000 They said it was gross and disgusting that he was doing it and how dare he.

00:51:47.000 But I think they're referring to his cheating.

00:51:49.000 You know.

00:51:49.000 Right.

00:51:50.000 But I think, you know, I'll agree with you guys to a certain extent that there may be really awful people who will exploit this.

00:51:59.000 The bigger issue I see is that there have been transgender athletes who have not undergone any transition. 0.98

00:52:04.000 There's literally like a guy and one day he just comes to a coach and says, you know, I'm trans.

00:52:11.000 And then they say, okay, you're in the women's division now. 1.00

00:52:13.000 So that's why they're trying to set standards for this.

00:52:16.000 They're trying to quantify how it works, but it doesn't.

00:52:19.000 It doesn't.

00:52:20.000 But what can the rules be?

00:52:21.000 I mean, are the rules that you have, is your testosterone level?

00:52:25.000 Yes, they're doing.

00:52:26.000 I mean, that's fascinating in itself.

00:52:30.000 How can you do that?

00:52:31.000 This is a fundamental human rights question in my mind.

00:52:38.000 I think the end result is that there will be functionally no female sporting events. 1.00

00:52:44.000 Right.

00:52:44.000 What about if we have male, female, and then genderless?

00:52:47.000 I think that'll work.

00:52:48.000 Yeah, there is someone pointed out on Twitter, they're like, what do you call it?

00:52:52.000 Then when men and women on the same team, I'm like, they're called mixed teams.

00:52:55.000 Like they actually bring this up.

00:52:57.000 Apparently there's like some commission or whatever that oversees the racing or whatever

00:53:01.000 said that if this if the individual who's trans is competing but hasn't been a year

00:53:06.000 on hormone therapy, then the team is classified as a mixed team.

00:53:10.000 And so they'll race against a mixture of males and females.

00:53:14.000 But this team is just competing against straight females. 1.00

00:53:18.000 You know what the craziest thing to me is?

00:53:20.000 There is a transgender scientist, who's also a marathon runner, who actually did a study in a report about male muscular and bone density benefits well after transition, who said that, yeah, even a few years after transition, the advantages persist.

00:53:36.000 This is a trans athlete saying this.

00:53:39.000 It's strange to me that there are individuals who don't recognize that it's unfair.

00:53:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:48.000 They did the study.

00:53:49.000 It's also kind of what you would expect.

00:53:49.000 That's fantastic.

00:53:51.000 You would have to really do the study to demonstrate that it's not the case, right?

00:53:57.000 It's fascinating.

00:53:58.000 I don't know.

00:53:59.000 I guess this is just another part of... We have got two distinct worldviews in this country.

00:54:05.000 And this one is the left, and the right doesn't see it.

00:54:09.000 But all that matters, I guess, is where the kids go.

00:54:11.000 Where the next generation will be.

00:54:14.000 And I don't know.

00:54:15.000 Why do we make women's sports to begin with? 1.00

00:54:17.000 Was it so that women had a place where they could compete? 1.00

00:54:20.000 Jet generally without having a guy like Ian.

00:54:22.000 Did you know all the games?

00:54:23.000 Did you know that there's most sporting event?

00:54:26.000 Sporting leagues have no rule barring women at all.

00:54:30.000 So women have tried out for the NFL for instance But the closest they ever get is to being a kicker and there have been some women who are really really good kickers But they're just not as good as the male can NCAA kickers male football teams. 0.95

00:54:42.000 You have female kicker I think that's happened in college Yeah, well there was one woman and then they lost and apparently the team cried or something like that. 0.84

00:54:48.000 I'm not trying to be mean.

00:54:49.000 I think that's actually happened.

00:54:51.000 They decided they wanted to add the first female kicker and they did and she flubbed really bad. 1.00

00:54:56.000 I forgot what it was called.

00:54:57.000 People tried saying it was a squib kick because she kicked so short. 1.00

00:55:00.000 They were like, no, it was a strategy.

00:55:01.000 But apparently the team came out afterwards and they were like, this was brutal to us.

00:55:05.000 We've worked so hard and now we're losing for politics.

00:55:08.000 So, there's nothing barring women from being in male teams, other than, can they win?

00:55:14.000 Like, when they try out, do they succeed?

00:55:16.000 So then we create a division just for females, but now we're having the argument over what does a woman mean?

00:55:22.000 I mean, Wikipedia defines a woman as an adult human female, but activists are trying to change those definitions and alter what these sports are.

00:55:30.000 Did this girl score? 0.85

00:55:31.000 Leah, the girl from Upenna?

00:55:33.000 Score?

00:55:34.000 Her time?

00:55:35.000 Her time was 38 seconds above.

00:55:37.000 Apparently, it would have ranked her 2nd or 3rd in the NCAA Women's Championships. 0.98

00:55:43.000 What does that mean?

00:55:44.000 Across the country, that was the 2nd and 3rd highest score?

00:55:47.000 That sounds like national.

00:55:49.000 So some guy transitions to a female and then wins the NCAA? 0.84

00:55:55.000 It is a male who is transitioning to be a trans woman.

00:55:57.000 A trans woman is different than a female. 1.00

00:55:59.000 Pardon my ignorance.

00:56:01.000 And then ranks at the top.

00:56:03.000 That's complete insanity.

00:56:05.000 Use some common sense.

00:56:07.000 If the floor is muddy, stop tracking mud on it and clean it up.

00:56:11.000 This is a guy that transitioned to a... Well, actually, here, look at this. 0.97

00:56:15.000 The Daily Mail actually has it.

00:56:17.000 They say how Leah Times stack up against her best as a male swimmer. 0.57

00:56:21.000 In the 200-meter free, Will, before the transition, was 1 minute 39 seconds, and Leah was 1 minute 41 seconds, and the NCAA is 1 minute 39.10.

00:56:32.000 In the 500-meter free, it was 4 minutes 18.

00:56:36.000 For Leah, it was 4 minutes 34.

00:56:38.000 So that's a bit down.

00:56:39.000 And the NCAA is 4 minutes 24.

00:56:43.000 And in the 1,650-meter free, Will got 14 minutes and 54.

00:56:47.000 Leah got 15 minutes 59.

00:56:48.000 That's a whole minute.

00:56:50.000 And the NCAA is 15 minutes.

00:56:52.000 So, not like this individual has instantly become the best, but certainly one of them.

00:56:58.000 I don't know.

00:56:59.000 I think, look, this has been circulating.

00:57:02.000 This is an old story.

00:57:03.000 Not this one particular, but the story that's happening around someone who is male.

00:57:08.000 We had Joe Rogan talk about this almost 10 years ago, I think it was, with Fallon Fox.

00:57:14.000 As far as I can tell, if that's the case, it's happening.

00:57:17.000 It's done.

00:57:18.000 This is the norm.

00:57:19.000 It's the combat sports is when it goes too far.

00:57:22.000 If you have a man that transitions to a female or a woman, a human female, whatever it's called, I'm not sure, transitions and it beats the hell out of a guy or a girl, breaks her face like Fallon, I think.

00:57:34.000 They didn't even know she had transitioned.

00:57:36.000 No one had told them that Fallon Fox was transgender.

00:57:39.000 Now, if you want to do a non-combat sport and be like, hey, I hit the ball farther than you, I used to be a guy, but so what?

00:57:45.000 That's dirty politics to me.

00:57:47.000 But when you're hurting women, when women are getting their faces broken by people that used to be male and have testosterone.

00:57:56.000 Final thought, you know, because I think it's crazy that we've talked about this story for so long and just here it is.

00:58:01.000 My final thought, I guess, is like, shouldn't they just have an open division where anyone can choose to compete?

00:58:01.000 It's normal now.

00:58:08.000 But let's do this.

00:58:08.000 Let's shift to foreign policy.

00:58:10.000 A hard segue, because surprisingly, this story wasn't our lead.

00:58:15.000 From The Daily Caller.

00:58:16.000 Biden admin plans on advising Ukraine to hand over territory to Russia.

00:58:22.000 This is an effective surrender of the conflict with Russia in Ukraine.

00:58:30.000 And I couldn't believe it when I read this because the AP's headline, I wonder if the Daily Caller has the link to the Associated Press article.

00:58:36.000 The AP's headline did not, actually, I think we could pull it up.

00:58:40.000 Let's see what they have the headline as.

00:58:42.000 Biden assures Ukraine's leader of US support to deter Russia.

00:58:45.000 That's their headline.

00:58:47.000 And everybody sees that and they're like, okay, sounds like we're good in Eastern Europe, right?

00:58:51.000 And then you scroll down in the article and it says, administration officials have suggested that the U.S.

00:58:56.000 will press Ukraine to formally cede a measure of autonomy within its eastern Donbass region, which is now under de facto control by Russian-backed separatists who rose up against Kiev in 2014.

00:59:08.000 So there is a group in eastern Ukraine that are backed by the Russians, armed by the Russians, that view themselves as completely separate, want to join Russia, and Biden's response to the buildup of troops by Russia is, let them have it.

00:59:22.000 That's crazy to me.

00:59:23.000 Now, I want to stress this point.

00:59:25.000 If this avoids US or EU conflict in the region and a ground war, probably a good thing. 0.63

00:59:31.000 But I suppose there's a line.

00:59:32.000 I don't know where it is.

00:59:33.000 I agree with Tucker.

00:59:34.000 We shouldn't care about Ukraine's borders over our southern border, which is porous and busted.

00:59:40.000 But I'm worried about another Afghanistan situation, where Joe Biden, he's sitting there in the command seat, and then Vladimir Putin racks up 90,000 troops and Biden goes, Ukraine, just give it to him.

00:59:52.000 Just give him the territory.

00:59:54.000 And it's like, here we go again.

00:59:56.000 Could there be a better way?

00:59:57.000 Look, under Trump, this stuff wasn't happening.

00:59:59.000 And what did Trump do?

00:59:59.000 He sold weapons to Ukraine and Putin backed off.

01:00:03.000 Putin takes Crimea, Trump gets elected, Putin backs off.

01:00:07.000 Biden gets in, Putin comes back and says, I take.

01:00:11.000 Yeah, I don't think Biden's calling the shots here.

01:00:14.000 I think there's... Think Putin's got Compromat?

01:00:17.000 I think there's a long geopolitical, neoconservative, Pentagon establishment that does call the shots, and there's a lot of things happening behind the scenes.

01:00:26.000 I wouldn't be surprised if there's a trade-off here, if there's a bigger deal here.

01:00:31.000 You know, the United States did give Ukraine 2.5 billion dollars of weaponry.

01:00:37.000 They have been very active in the region.

01:00:38.000 They have had success turning Ukraine, that had its sphere of influence with Russia, towards the European Union.

01:00:45.000 So, this is a very complex picture.

01:00:47.000 It's going to be interesting to see how it unfolds from here.

01:00:50.000 Obviously, I prefer diplomacy over hot war, and I think we should avoid hot war no matter what.

01:00:55.000 I think the larger geopolitical picture... No matter what?

01:00:58.000 Well, you know what I mean.

01:00:59.000 I think we don't need neoconservatives in charge threatening nuclear war, and we have that right now, a part of the U.S.

01:01:05.000 government threatening the Russian government.

01:01:07.000 I don't think that helps the situation at all, so I think diplomacy is key here, and I think all of America's foreign policy, especially the way it's been run under Trump and now Biden, is shooting itself in the foot And totally counterproductive and also holds Europe in jeopardy since of course Europe also depends on a lot of Russian oil and energy that's being shipped towards it right now.

01:01:28.000 So there's a lot at stake here.

01:01:31.000 I still want to see the full picture before jumping the gun and understanding what's really happening here.

01:01:35.000 What about you?

01:01:36.000 I think this is a your point is really really well taken because there's there's all these complex pieces There's also the piece of like what are you know, the central European countries like Poland, you know, we were both we have both Polish roots What are they thinking as they're looking at Poland wants to be this big?

01:01:54.000 you know basically ally to the u.s.

01:01:55.000 And the u.s.

01:01:56.000 Is basically doing things like encouraging, giving land to the Russians. That's like a 0.97

01:02:02.000 huge red flag for the Poles. I mean this is the Poles have been run basically the 1.00

01:02:07.000 Russians have invaded many times, the Germans have invaded many times, they're 1.00

01:02:11.000 you know expecting the next time. Let me ask you guys though is there is there any

01:02:15.000 circumstance in which you think it would be good for US troops to be on the

01:02:20.000 ground in Ukraine?

01:02:21.000 It's a very hard decision to make here because of all the pieces here.

01:02:26.000 I would prefer it doesn't happen.

01:02:28.000 I would prefer a diplomacy rule here.

01:02:30.000 I understand that you said that, but my question is, you said, you know, what do you say, at all costs or avoid war?

01:02:37.000 I think we should avoid war at all costs.

01:02:41.000 So what if the cost is like, you know, Russia overtly invades Ukraine to Kiev and Russian tanks are occupying the capital of Ukraine?

01:02:51.000 No, no, I think it's the obvious thing to point out.

01:02:53.000 We are not Ukraine.

01:02:56.000 How much of it is it our business to be like, here's a country that we're sort of friends with, but we're not even a part of the NATO alliance.

01:03:04.000 Should we intervene?

01:03:06.000 Yeah, genocide.

01:03:07.000 What if the Russians went in and started executing families, children on the street, lots of media coverage of it? 0.53

01:03:13.000 Are we supposed to go and police the world at this point?

01:03:16.000 Is the time done for that?

01:03:17.000 I'm tired of putting our people in harm's way.

01:03:19.000 I think there's ways of appeasing both sides and calming the situation down without reaching to those types of Hyperbolic levels.

01:03:27.000 Now, you made a good point.

01:03:28.000 Poland and other European countries are very set against Russia.

01:03:32.000 Poland even is building a military base called the Trump Military Base, very close to, of course, the Russian border.

01:03:39.000 So obviously, there's a lot of history there.

01:03:42.000 There's a lot of turmoil.

01:03:43.000 There's a lot of conflict.

01:03:44.000 There's a lot of bloodshed.

01:03:46.000 And it's just a horrible situation to deal with that we should avoid the bloodshed.

01:03:51.000 To me, I'm going to divert the question a little bit because I don't fully know the answer, to be perfectly honest.

01:03:56.000 But what I do know is that, what I believe is that the Russians, basically Putin, they only really understand strength as a response.

01:04:07.000 And if you don't use that as an important tool of your diplomacy, and they are incredibly aware of the fact that you will use whatever tool you have if they cross the red line, and it's a real red line.

01:04:20.000 Then they're gonna abuse that massively and I mean so this you know, this strategy This is what they used in Crimea, right?

01:04:26.000 They moved basically it's this kind of like gray gray zone warfare right where they move people in it's not really Russian that's kind of These people kind of take over with the support and then suddenly hey, this is Russia, right?

01:04:41.000 And so how many times do you let that happen?

01:04:43.000 How do you know you need to support your allies?

01:04:46.000 Right, right And that's it.

01:04:49.000 I mean, they took Crimea.

01:04:50.000 Russia took it.

01:04:51.000 Everyone, you know, a lot of people believe, I think it's fair to say, the elections in Crimea were bunk.

01:04:55.000 They came in and said, oh, everybody voted.

01:04:57.000 It's fine.

01:04:58.000 Now Crimea is annexed by Russia because Russia wants their warm water port.

01:05:02.000 But there are hard questions about war, right?

01:05:05.000 And the reason I ask about what Russia is doing and what Biden should do is, I agree, I don't want ground war.

01:05:11.000 I think it may, if Biden is telling them, look, you're going to lose the Eastern front because we want to avoid war.

01:05:16.000 It's like, maybe avoiding war is better.

01:05:19.000 And if the people in the Eastern front really do want to be, you know, part of Russia and they have the autonomy to decide where, who they should be governed by or what country they should be a part of, there's really tough questions.

01:05:31.000 But the reason I ask about, you know, war is because right now China's got the Uighur Muslim camps.

01:05:35.000 And are we declaring war on China?

01:05:37.000 Are we going to be like, it's time to storm the beaches of Macau to make our way to the Xinjiang region or whatever? 0.93

01:05:44.000 Right now in the US Congress, there's huge efforts being made to water down the provisions that would actually hold China's activities in Xinjiang to account.

01:06:00.000 It's fascinating.

01:06:01.000 So this is the question, right?

01:06:03.000 I was just speaking with the former head of Human Rights, Democracy, and Labor for the State Department under Trump, Robert Destro.

01:06:16.000 So there's Probably, you could say fairly, there's three genocides happening in China right now. 0.56

01:06:21.000 There's the Uyghur one. 1.00

01:06:22.000 The Uyghur tribunal just reinforced that reality, basically, today.

01:06:28.000 And then there's the Tibetans.

01:06:31.000 It's the same model that's been happening for a long time, and against the Falun Gong practitioners as well, an attempt to eradicate an entire group.

01:06:39.000 Not necessarily by killing everybody, that's a later stage of genocide, but through all sorts of means, including these forced sterilizations and so on and so forth.

01:06:50.000 That's actually interesting.

01:06:51.000 There's this kind of other flip side.

01:06:53.000 They're trying to actually prevent people from getting sterilized in China, but that's a different topic.

01:07:00.000 Well, how do you deal with it?

01:07:01.000 This is the worst thing.

01:07:02.000 This is what we agree, the global community, the free world agrees.

01:07:05.000 It's the absolute worst thing you can do.

01:07:08.000 It's the worst thing, right?

01:07:10.000 Try to eradicate entire groups of people.

01:07:12.000 China is doing one for sure, possibly three, And they rag on Tucker Carlson for saying, why do we care about Ukraine?

01:07:21.000 They accuse him of defending Putin.

01:07:23.000 The Democrats act like Vladimir Putin is the most powerful evil on the planet.

01:07:28.000 And Russia's like almost nothing to us at this point.

01:07:31.000 Granted, they got a lot of nuclear weapons that I can get, but they have a much smaller population and China's massive and way more powerful and way more dangerous and committing atrocities. 0.94

01:07:38.000 And China is threatening America's hegemony, and the geopolitical picture between Russia and the United States is complicating that and essentially allowing China to win because they have Russia Which is going to be aligning with them when they are naturally competitors there's a lot of thing that divides Russia and China and if geopolitically the United States played their cards differently they could have another strategic ally in the region against their number one allying foe the number one competitor.

01:08:12.000 That most likely is going to create the Thucydides trap, which we talk about on this show a lot.

01:08:18.000 Thucydides.

01:08:19.000 Yeah, when an emerging power threatens a current power, there's a high likelihood of war, of conflict.

01:08:25.000 So I think on the geopolitical scale, that's a lot more important, especially with the picture of Taiwan, which the United States, you know, geopolitically is kind of ignoring almost outright.

01:08:36.000 So to see this Russian perspective, there's a way that there should be negotiations.

01:08:41.000 We shouldn't just give anything up.

01:08:43.000 We should be tough.

01:08:44.000 We should control our interests.

01:08:48.000 But we have to also ask ourselves, what were the Russians and Chinese saying when the United States was invading Iraq?

01:08:54.000 When the United States was invading Afghanistan?

01:08:56.000 Were they saying, hey, if they attack this country, this sovereign country that had nothing to do with 9-11, like Iraq, Are we going to defend them when they're doing a genocide on their people? 0.81

01:09:07.000 And again, I'm not making those arguments, but those were the arguments and conversations that happened in their countries, and we have to understand that those arguments, if we're going to come to a table to try to understand this larger world picture that's unfolding right now, that's extremely complicated.

01:09:22.000 That's a great point.

01:09:24.000 Oh, the United States took Iraq, China's gonna take Taiwan, Russia takes Crimea.

01:09:29.000 So the whole idea of the genocide convention, right?

01:09:32.000 Like, I'm not a fan of countries going out nation-building, you know, taking over areas of the U.S., any kind of... This is not good behavior.

01:09:41.000 Genocide is one of these things.

01:09:43.000 The reason the Genocide Convention exists is because there was a very serious genocide, the Holocaust, right? 0.68

01:09:49.000 And people said, we can't allow this to happen.

01:09:53.000 This is something that actually everybody needs to get involved in internationally.

01:09:57.000 When we see this happening, we really need to act, right?

01:10:01.000 Because this is the worst thing humans do to each other, right?

01:10:05.000 Yeah.

01:10:06.000 Yeah, we talked about it a bit.

01:10:07.000 There was a post James Lindsay made about what separates a concentration camp from normal forms of imprisonment, and they said it's when someone is detained without due process, when they're taken from their home and put in a camp without due process.

01:10:18.000 Exactly right.

01:10:19.000 The escalation, on the other hand, it depends, right?

01:10:24.000 So that's the idea about what happened in Germany, was they were going and taking people and then sending these camps, which is happening in a lot of different parts of the world, and it's not just China.

01:10:33.000 Also, a lot of people, you know, a lot of the bigger political establishment in Russia is saying, well, the United States got Libya.

01:10:40.000 They got Syria. 0.95

01:10:41.000 They're creating a domestic conflict in Yemen.

01:10:45.000 They had their sphere of influence in Iraq, in Afghanistan.

01:10:49.000 They're getting theirs.

01:10:50.000 We should get ours.

01:10:51.000 So that's the type of conversations that they're having.

01:10:53.000 And I think, again, there's a lot of chess pieces on the table, but we have to reassess what we know, what we're told, because there's a totally different picture that we're not seeing that we should see.

01:11:03.000 Let's bring it all together.

01:11:04.000 You know, we talked about the social issues in the United States, which led to, you know, a lot of questions about Black Lives Matter and wokeness and trans issues.

01:11:12.000 And then we have what's going on with the geopolitical conflicts.

01:11:15.000 We have this story from TimCast.com.

01:11:17.000 Men prevented from getting vasectomies under China's new family planning policies.

01:11:22.000 China is trying to stave off a population crisis caused by its declining fertility rates.

01:11:28.000 With over 1.4 billion people, the decline could create a crisis.

01:11:31.000 As the population ages and is not replaced, the densely populated nation could run out of workers, which would cause severe economic consequences.

01:11:38.000 This is fascinating.

01:11:40.000 In the United States, we have no such effort.

01:11:42.000 We have the opposite.

01:11:43.000 They're telling people to not have kids.

01:11:45.000 They're saying, if you want to save the environment, have no kids.

01:11:48.000 I've been saying for a while, it really feels like there is an effort from global elites to convince Americans to burn down their own country, China will keep growing, and perhaps it's because they're scared of Thucydides' trap. 0.62

01:12:01.000 That when a rising economic power reaches the level of the sitting economic power, war becomes extremely likely.

01:12:07.000 It feels like there are powerful interests that are just saying, look, either the world implodes from a great conflict between two superpowers, or we let America down slowly and let them spiral out of control, and then China takes over.

01:12:21.000 Do you really want the model that runs three genocides at the same time and has a budding murder-for-organs industry that's state-sanctioned?

01:12:33.000 Yeah.

01:12:33.000 You want that model across the world?

01:12:35.000 No, but I'll tell you this, the political establishment here in the U.S.

01:12:38.000 does.

01:12:39.000 The idea that they, with absolute authority, never have to worry about an election again, that they can just go in with an iron fist and a rubber stamp and wipe your house off the map to build a highway, they would love it.

01:12:51.000 That's a very disturbing thought, Tim.

01:12:53.000 And that's what they do in China.

01:12:55.000 That's exactly what they do in China.

01:12:57.000 That's exactly what they can do and they do do.

01:13:00.000 They do do.

01:13:02.000 And if we don't stand up, and we don't speak out, and we don't support what we believe in, the Democrats and the neocons, the neolibs and the neocons, will do-do here as well, and all over our Constitution.

01:13:15.000 And it is funny, but it's true though.

01:13:19.000 We've talked to several people who have, you know, they cover Chinese issues, you know, related to like foreign policy, and they talk about what what the Chinese Communist Party does.

01:13:27.000 And we're told that there was a period where, you know, democratic establishment politicians saw what they do in China, how they one day can walk up to a group of houses and say, destroy it all and throw those people in the gutter, in the gutter, and then we're going to build a government facility here and they can do it like that. 0.76

01:13:42.000 Or exactly what they did to build the stadiums for the 2008 Olympics.

01:13:47.000 They took the water away, right?

01:13:48.000 Did they take the water from like farmers and peasants?

01:13:53.000 Every level of, you know, basically disenfranchisement, taking people's homes away without any due process, to use that term you used earlier.

01:14:01.000 And frankly, raised a lot of history, actually, you know, these Hutong areas and so forth.

01:14:08.000 This is also why Justin Trudeau says that he looked up to China's basic dictatorship, describing their kind of economic power and centralization, which allows them to control the markets whichever way they want.

01:14:21.000 And it doesn't surprise me that someone like Justin Trudeau made those statements.

01:14:24.000 I want to comment about this control.

01:14:27.000 Why do they have this situation with preventing vasectomies now?

01:14:33.000 One of China's most massive problems is this demographic gap that they created through these crazy control policies, the one-child policy. 0.76

01:14:42.000 So, I mean, this is a massive problem for them.

01:14:45.000 They're not going to solve it by preventing people from getting vasectomies.

01:14:49.000 This is one thing that I've never heard any remotely credible solution to this.

01:14:55.000 Other than perhaps, I mean, immigration might be the solution, but no one wants to go live in a dictatorship that does what it does.

01:15:02.000 Well, China doesn't allow immigration.

01:15:05.000 Their borders are almost predominantly closed.

01:15:07.000 They're very nationalistic.

01:15:09.000 And they treat outsiders, according to many accounts, very wrong, to say the least.

01:15:14.000 One of the biggest detriments to the woke left is that if they are unsuccessful in their attempts to get their ideology in schools, they will eventually cease to exist.

01:15:23.000 And the math is actually really simple.

01:15:25.000 I've actually covered this.

01:15:26.000 It's very interesting.

01:15:27.000 There is a Pew Research poll showing that Generation Z is slightly more conservative than Millennials, but still very progressive in the same way Millennials are, just leaning a little bit And a lot of people assumed this meant that Generation Z was like waking up, they were realizing, but it's not true.

01:15:43.000 What we're actually seeing is the ramification of replacement levels from the early 2000s.

01:15:51.000 So if you go back to the early 2000s, you'd see many studies show liberals were having something like 1.5 kids on average and conservatives were having 2.01.

01:16:00.000 which meant conservatives are replacing themselves and liberals weren't. Fast forward 20 years,

01:16:05.000 what do you get? You get 20 year olds voting and they lean a little bit more right, not because

01:16:12.000 they believe what conservatives believe, but just because there are more conservative Gen Z

01:16:17.000 than there are liberal ones that will persist. But as many people have pointed out,

01:16:22.000 progressives and leftists don't have kids, they have yours.

01:16:26.000 So if they cannot get their ideology in schools, then we're looking at 20, 40 years, two more cycles, two more generations, and the United States becomes overwhelmingly conservative.

01:16:36.000 So this is why they hate, first of all, the idea of school choice.

01:16:40.000 But the other thing I was going to ask you, Jan, because you're somewhat the authority, is what on earth was China thinking?

01:16:46.000 How can you not look at, for example, a one-child policy and a country where they kill millions upon millions of little girls before birth, after birth, doesn't matter to them, and think, this will be fine in the long term? 0.66

01:16:57.000 I don't understand their thinking.

01:16:58.000 Well, and you know, that's just just to highlight that point.

01:17:01.000 There's this crazy situation in China where there's just all these males that can't find someone to be with.

01:17:09.000 Yeah.

01:17:10.000 Like, like, you know, go ahead.

01:17:12.000 Do you think that's what they were going for?

01:17:14.000 Because that was something I noticed a long time ago.

01:17:16.000 If I was like, if you have a bunch of disenfranchised, lonely, single young men, what are they going to want to do?

01:17:21.000 Oh, right.

01:17:22.000 Go to war. 0.80

01:17:23.000 Exactly.

01:17:23.000 And I was like, is this is this the strategy?

01:17:26.000 I think they simply imagine, and this is the problem with these command top control social utopian vision control systems, right?

01:17:36.000 There's all sorts of collateral damage that you can create.

01:17:40.000 I don't think they thought it through.

01:17:42.000 I'll be perfectly honest.

01:17:43.000 I really don't think they thought it through at all.

01:17:44.000 They just thought, hey, we want to limit the population size.

01:17:47.000 This is great.

01:17:48.000 Let's do it.

01:17:49.000 I disagree a little bit.

01:17:50.000 I think, ladies, on something with war, because why would they tell these men who can't find lovers not to get vasectomies?

01:17:57.000 Right.

01:17:57.000 Because they don't know who's going to survive.

01:17:59.000 And if random guys are going out saying, well, I can't find a mate. 0.99

01:18:02.000 I'm going to get, you know, my balls chopped off anyway. 0.97

01:18:04.000 Then what happens when many people go to war and the ones who remain are unable to have children? 0.98

01:18:10.000 So there's a big population crisis in China.

01:18:11.000 The Chinese government has also been caught building databases of women and their fertility ranking.

01:18:14.000 to the United States, there's a disease trap, then all right, we'll figure out who then

01:18:18.000 can have kids.

01:18:19.000 Well, there's a big population crisis in China.

01:18:22.000 The Chinese government has also been caught building databases of women and their fertility

01:18:27.000 ranking.

01:18:28.000 Wow.

01:18:29.000 And we have to understand that this one-child policy was cheered on by a lot of internationalists,

01:18:33.000 by a lot of globalists, including the founder of CNN, Ted Turner, that openly said that

01:18:39.000 this was a great plan, this is awesome, this is what the world should be implementing.

01:18:43.000 The people who opened up China to the world, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, the ones that took American jobs and sent them overseas for cheap slave labor, those are the individuals that also cheered on those policies because they were also big proponents of population control and eugenics. 0.86

01:18:58.000 And we see similar epithets by the World Economic Forum, we see similar epithets Said by individuals like, you know, I have to say it Bill Gates and other individuals But but those policies I wouldn't be surprised were made as a part of a deal According to my own kind of perspective and opinion saying hey, we're gonna give you all these jobs We're gonna give you all these corporations coming to you But you need to implement the policies that we want you to implement top-down control spying on citizens social credit score and a system where of course we regulate and control the population and almost every aspect of

01:19:30.000 To me, China is the globalist experiment, and now China's saying, hey, we need more people.

01:19:35.000 We're dealing with a population crisis here, and we need to take action.

01:19:40.000 And they are taking very strong actions for that.

01:19:43.000 When it comes to the fertility question, you know, it just occurred to me, there is this, you know, you're probably aware of this, this sort of dramatic drop in male fertility.

01:19:52.000 Certainly in the U.S., they've done, you know, extensive studies, but it's abroad.

01:19:56.000 They think it's unclear what the mechanism is.

01:19:58.000 They think it's some basically chemicals in the system.

01:20:01.000 Now, China is the most polluted country, right?

01:20:05.000 They basically have very, very limited pollution controls.

01:20:09.000 There's all sorts of, you know, basically human-human devastation as a result of that.

01:20:13.000 I wonder if there isn't also a fertility crisis even worse than there is here in the US and in the free world, so to speak.

01:20:21.000 You ever see the BuzzFeed video from the Try Guys?

01:20:24.000 Uh huh.

01:20:24.000 Yeah, so these were four guys, it was BuzzFeed, right?

01:20:27.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:20:28.000 And these four guys, young millennial men, decided to get their testosterone levels checked.

01:20:32.000 And I don't think they did research into this because when they went and did and then published

01:20:37.000 the results, their testosterone was comparable to that of like 80-year-old men.

01:20:41.000 Oh, so bad.

01:20:43.000 It was bad.

01:20:44.000 So, I mean, these guys... Just all of them had this.

01:20:48.000 It was four guys.

01:20:48.000 Yeah.

01:20:49.000 And all their testosterone was way below average.

01:20:52.000 And they're what?

01:20:53.000 They're in their 20s or something?

01:20:54.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:20:55.000 That's at their prime.

01:20:56.000 And these guys' testosterone was comparable to elderly men.

01:21:00.000 But this wasn't something of the fact that they were hanging out with each other or something like that?

01:21:04.000 I don't know.

01:21:05.000 I'm just saying, I think we're seeing something with the infantilization of the millennial generation and potentially Gen Z. You know, I've long thought about this, how, you know, I read a lot about how dogs became domesticated and how they were wolves.

01:21:23.000 And dogs are effectively permanent puppies.

01:21:26.000 They retain the behaviors of puppies, the love, the desire, but they don't ever develop the alpha, independent and controlling and dominant nature of the wolf.

01:21:34.000 This was bred out of them by humans who didn't want that. 0.98

01:21:37.000 The humans wanted to be in charge. 1.00

01:21:39.000 So, long story short, When wolves started scavenging the refuse of human camps, the wolves that were more tolerant and had the right behaviors were tolerated by the humans, and the humans who were more tolerant of the wolves had a hunting partner with wolves and then proto-dogs.

01:21:55.000 But eventually this artificial selection breeds out, or I guess technically natural selection at this point, because it wasn't planned, bred out the aggressive wolf behaviors, and then what ends up happening is proto-dogs were like permanent wolf puppies.

01:22:08.000 And so I see something similar in where we're going now with humans.

01:22:12.000 We are becoming childlike.

01:22:14.000 Humans in their mid-20s have never had a job before.

01:22:18.000 They're 35-year-old men hosting podcasts who have no kids and aren't married.

01:22:25.000 But it's true.

01:22:26.000 You know, my dad, I think he was 27, he had two kids.

01:22:30.000 And I think the average age of a woman to have a child even today is still 24, but we're seeing that pushing back.

01:22:35.000 I think now among like, you know, millennials, it's getting way lower.

01:22:38.000 That average still comes from the older generation, that when they're asked, how old were you when you had your first kid?

01:22:43.000 And they're like, 24, so that factors in.

01:22:45.000 It's probably 21.

01:22:46.000 But it's so, you know, it's a lot of this is really social conditioning.

01:22:50.000 I mean, it isn't the thing that you should do to have lots of kids.

01:22:54.000 I mean, it is in Hasidic communities, for example, like my brother-in-law, you know, he has, he has five kids, his daughter married into a family of 13.

01:23:04.000 This is just what you do in Orthodox Jewish communities, but you don't do it in You know, mainstream American society. 0.91

01:23:11.000 In fact, it's kind of odd to have a lot of kids, right?

01:23:14.000 This is why the future is conservative and religious.

01:23:18.000 Because there's two big factors here.

01:23:21.000 And this is, again, if the leftists fail in schools, their ideology will age out with them.

01:23:29.000 Conservatives are substantially less likely to advocate or have abortions, and they're also substantially more likely to have children in the first place.

01:23:37.000 Another thing we should really consider here is that China is dealing with a population crisis and they're deciding to take executive centralized action on it.

01:23:44.000 The United States in the West is also dealing with a population crisis and we're encouraging it and saying this is great, we need to save the environment, we need to stop making children. 1.00

01:23:53.000 And we even have Elon Musk came out just a few days ago and said civilization is going to crumble if people don't have more children.

01:24:02.000 And I believe his warnings are warranted.

01:24:05.000 I think they're true.

01:24:06.000 I mean, how can this not be true, right?

01:24:09.000 I mean, unless we're talking about some sort of weird meta-transhuman future, which is not... Which we are. 0.69

01:24:16.000 Let me just highlight the article Luke mentioned real quick.

01:24:19.000 We have it from CNBC.

01:24:20.000 Elon Musk says civilization is going to crumble if people don't have more children.

01:24:25.000 The tech billionaire said, low and rapidly declining birth rates are one of the biggest risks to civilization.

01:24:30.000 I can sort of provide some evidence to Elon Musk's claim.

01:24:34.000 There was a TED Talk by a guy who tried to make his own toaster from scratch.

01:24:39.000 How much does a toaster cost at Walmart?

01:24:42.000 $10!

01:24:43.000 Yeah, it's really cheap.

01:24:45.000 I just assumed inflation would have made it more expensive.

01:24:45.000 Really?

01:24:49.000 That means if you work at McDonald's, On average, depending on which city you work in, it's probably going to take about an hour, hour and a half to get a toaster.

01:24:49.000 $10!

01:24:56.000 So this guy decided to make a toaster himself.

01:24:58.000 It's impossible.

01:24:59.000 He discovered it was not possible.

01:25:01.000 He could not synthesize plastics.

01:25:01.000 Why?

01:25:05.000 He could make everything else.

01:25:06.000 He could, you could mine the ore.

01:25:08.000 He could smelt it.

01:25:09.000 He could make the wiring.

01:25:10.000 He could make all of that stuff, the control mechanisms.

01:25:13.000 But to get the plastic for the outside of the toaster, he had to mine the plastic, which effectively proves it couldn't be done.

01:25:20.000 What's it called?

01:25:20.000 The reason I bring this up in regards to Elon Musk is it shows the level of specialization

01:25:25.000 among humans has grown so intense that no single person can make a thing.

01:25:30.000 There's a, um, I'm forgetting who wrote the book.

01:25:32.000 So Apollo, forgive me.

01:25:34.000 It's um, Oh, uh, Julie Borowski, I think.

01:25:36.000 Oh yeah.

01:25:37.000 Was she, did she write no one knows how to make a pizza?

01:25:39.000 I think so.

01:25:39.000 Was that hers?

01:25:39.000 I think that was her, yeah.

01:25:40.000 I hope I'm getting the person right.

01:25:41.000 I think so.

01:25:42.000 Because if someone else wrote it, they're going to be mad at me.

01:25:43.000 Sorry.

01:25:44.000 But the point of the book was that cheese, pepperoni, tomato, sauce, the bread, no one person can make all of these things, for the most part.

01:25:53.000 A pizza's not that hard to make.

01:25:55.000 What Elon Musk is basically saying is, and this is just one part of it, With a declining birth rate, one day we're going to be like, hey, there's no food in the supermarket.

01:26:06.000 Oh, well, no one's driving trucks anymore.

01:26:08.000 Well, who's, why not?

01:26:09.000 Because there's no one to drive trucks anymore.

01:26:12.000 Well, what are people doing?

01:26:13.000 People are doing other jobs.

01:26:15.000 Right now, the unemployment, the amount of people who aren't working is half the, so let me phrase it better.

01:26:22.000 There's twice as many job openings as people without work.

01:26:26.000 The problem is that people without work don't have the specialty for those jobs.

01:26:30.000 This is what Elon Musk is talking about.

01:26:32.000 We need specialties and specialists to advance technology.

01:26:34.000 And if we don't, it doesn't happen.

01:26:37.000 He's right, too.

01:26:37.000 And Elon Musk is the one who says, if you want more things, you have to make things, which sounds very profound.

01:26:43.000 But when you talk to people who truly believe that milk grows out of store shelves, you realize that we might have a problem with conceptualizing where things come from.

01:26:50.000 They do.

01:26:52.000 During the primary in 2019 with Andrew Yang, I had people tweeting at me.

01:26:57.000 Like, I was like, if people aren't... No, no, I'm sorry.

01:26:59.000 This was, I think it was last year.

01:27:01.000 It was 2020.

01:27:02.000 Exactly.

01:27:03.000 And I was like, if people aren't working to make milk, where will they get milk?

01:27:06.000 And they're like, what do you mean the store?

01:27:07.000 And I was like, where do you think the milk comes from at the store?

01:27:10.000 And they're like, what are you talking about?

01:27:11.000 And I was like, wow.

01:27:11.000 The store has milk.

01:27:12.000 Wow.

01:27:13.000 These people don't understand the concept of the supply chain.

01:27:16.000 Now I'm not saying everybody, I'm not saying any particular group of people.

01:27:19.000 I'm saying there are people who really don't get it.

01:27:21.000 Well, we have been really, really lucky.

01:27:23.000 Our society is super specialized and we don't have to like spend all day farming and doing all this other stuff.

01:27:29.000 But it makes us very spoiled.

01:27:30.000 It makes us very insular and we don't realize everything that goes into bringing us, for example, our pizza or a pencil or milk on the store shelves.

01:27:38.000 And it weakens us.

01:27:39.000 And I think that that might even be a component to men becoming weaker as well and people not even being interested in having kids.

01:27:45.000 Like, I wonder if it's like a hugely overarching societal problem of ease.

01:27:49.000 That's just what I came up with.

01:27:51.000 Well, there's that aspect, there's diet, there's chemicals, there's also the lowering of the IQ of children because of lead and other poisons in our environment.

01:27:59.000 There's a lot of things that contribute to it.

01:28:02.000 The indoctrination centers that people call schools.

01:28:05.000 There's so many different things that contribute to the destruction of the future of the United States.

01:28:10.000 almost as if it's being done deliberately to this point, especially financially, economically.

01:28:15.000 If you look at what's happening here, we are headed towards an utter disaster. We are falling

01:28:20.000 off the cliff very soon. I think we're already off the cliff, but we're still in the moment

01:28:23.000 where we think it's fun. It's not. There's going to be...

01:28:26.000 Where we think it's fun. Yeah.

01:28:28.000 We're flying. We're flying. The train went up for a little bit.

01:28:32.000 We're flying. And then I think we're moments away from realizing, holy crap. 0.95

01:28:36.000 There's a lot of consequences for our Deliberate actions that have put us on this trajectory towards a wall.

01:28:43.000 That's that's all the way down Let me just I'll just add one thing too.

01:28:46.000 It's like we drove off the edge of the of the cliff.

01:28:49.000 Yeah We're flying through the air and we're like going, wee!

01:28:52.000 People are all cheering and screaming and there's a few of us.

01:28:54.000 Jim Cramer's like, the economy's doing better than ever!

01:28:56.000 And there's a few people in the car going, guys, guys!

01:29:00.000 We're actually gonna start falling down the cliff into that rocky crevasse!

01:29:03.000 And then you got Oliver Darcy or whoever he's in the car with and he goes, actually falling into the crevasse is a good thing.

01:29:09.000 It's a good thing!

01:29:12.000 We can make a train fly.

01:29:14.000 That's what I'm focusing on right now.

01:29:15.000 So get on board.

01:29:16.000 Good luck, Ian.

01:29:17.000 Yeah, it's gonna take some some effort, but it's gonna happen.

01:29:20.000 What do you think, John?

01:29:21.000 Well, I would, you know, you made me think of modern monetary policy, you know?

01:29:25.000 Like you can just, we can spend our way out of it, right?

01:29:29.000 Oh yeah.

01:29:31.000 That works great for families.

01:29:34.000 I have to believe that they're like high-level banker and financial dudes that are like working around the Federal Reserve, and they're printing all of this money.

01:29:42.000 Well, it's digital, so they're typing all this money.

01:29:44.000 And then as soon as some of these bankers get the money, they immediately convert it into something else.

01:29:50.000 They're like, they're sending the money, and then they're buying crypto, they're buying silver, they're buying gold, they're buying land, and they're buying it in other countries.

01:29:57.000 Yes.

01:29:57.000 Because I'll tell you this, man.

01:29:59.000 If you, if, look, right, what did Bitcoin fell from like 60, was it 68?

01:30:04.000 And it fell to like 43.

01:30:06.000 It's the holidays.

01:30:06.000 So a lot of people expected this if you know what's going on with crypto.

01:30:09.000 But even now, you know, I had people messaging me like, oh, were you talking all this good stuff about crypto saying it was going to be all big?

01:30:16.000 And I'm like, dude, I bought it at like a couple grand.

01:30:20.000 You know, I'm like, of course it drops down, but I'm happy.

01:30:24.000 You know, when everything started getting bad, you know, around last year, I started saying I didn't want to be holding onto US dollars.

01:30:30.000 And so I decided not to.

01:30:32.000 I decided to just, you know, try and invest in the company as much as I can, get the equipment the company needs as fast as possible.

01:30:38.000 Prices have gone way up.

01:30:39.000 We have a guitar, because we're recording a bunch of new music.

01:30:42.000 And we got Pete Parada, formerly of The Offspring, who's working with us.

01:30:45.000 Big fan, awesome, super excited.

01:30:47.000 And I've got a standard Mexican Telecaster, it's a guitar.

01:30:52.000 And I bought that thing for like 450 bucks, brand new.

01:30:57.000 And now I have another standard Mexican Tele, and it was twice the price.

01:31:02.000 And it's only been, I think, like four or five years or whatever, the price has doubled.

01:31:06.000 I went to a guitar store and the guy told me that if you order a guitar today, it's going to take you 18 months or whatever to get it.

01:31:12.000 It's becoming harder and harder to get things.

01:31:14.000 And people are not realizing it because of the ripple effect.

01:31:18.000 There was some leftist who tweeted like, this is a luxury problem.

01:31:21.000 I can't remember who it was.

01:31:22.000 She was like, all the rich people are just complaining because their luxuries are more expensive.

01:31:25.000 It's like, yo, milk is up.

01:31:28.000 Yeah, are you listening to the warnings?

01:31:30.000 So we're at an industry professional level.

01:31:33.000 It's really difficult to get things like the internet.

01:31:35.000 It's really difficult to get specialty equipment for it.

01:31:37.000 It's ridiculously expensive because we're trying to get the best of the best to run a business.

01:31:41.000 So we are seeing the problems.

01:31:44.000 We're trying to get more space built at the studio.

01:31:46.000 Instead, we have to get a different studio.

01:31:48.000 We can't move the HVAC because the materials we need for it aren't being shipped in.

01:31:52.000 They don't exist.

01:31:53.000 Is a regular person complaining about whether they can get HVAC materials?

01:31:56.000 No.

01:31:57.000 But what happens next?

01:31:58.000 It's a ripple effect.

01:31:59.000 We got a bunch of articles popping up saying, next year, sticker shock is going to cause an apocalypse for middle class workers when they see the price jump.

01:32:10.000 January 1st, I think it is, General Mills raising the price on all cereals by 20%.

01:32:14.000 That means if you're like, I got a budget for cereal.

01:32:17.000 A box of cereal for my kids is $5.

01:32:18.000 Now it's going to be $6.

01:32:20.000 Your budget's all off.

01:32:22.000 And that may be $1 right there, but it adds up across the board because the grains are going to affect everything.

01:32:27.000 Of course.

01:32:28.000 Same with gas.

01:32:28.000 I opened up a bag of chips last night and it was like a third of a bag of chips worth of chips.

01:32:33.000 It was so sad.

01:32:34.000 So much empty space in that bag.

01:32:38.000 Oh, drink used to be that way.

01:32:40.000 People are posting photos of when they like, I bought a box of waffles, then came back and the box is tiny.

01:32:47.000 Yeah.

01:32:47.000 To be fair though, Americans eat way too much.

01:32:49.000 True.

01:32:50.000 Yeah.

01:32:50.000 When we were in Texas, we went to a diner and the plate they gave me was like a trough.

01:32:54.000 I was like, I don't, I don't, I can't eat this.

01:32:57.000 I love it.

01:32:57.000 I have to bring it home every time.

01:32:59.000 Every time I go out in any kind of restaurant, I'm like, give me it.

01:33:01.000 Just give me it to go.

01:33:02.000 Anyway, I'm going to take it home, eat it later.

01:33:04.000 I hate wasting food.

01:33:05.000 And to your point, you know, this is one of the craziest things I'm trying to wrap my head around, you know, because a lot of these, the lockdown policies that we experienced, well, all over the world, but certainly here in America, right?

01:33:17.000 That led to a lot of obesity.

01:33:19.000 I mean, the numbers are actually astounding.

01:33:21.000 I don't have them in front of me, but like, and that is actually the thing, aside from age and having some comorbidities, that actually makes you way more susceptible to COVID.

01:33:33.000 That's nuts.

01:33:34.000 I just saw that headline.

01:33:36.000 I haven't read the article yet.

01:33:37.000 I have to look at it.

01:33:37.000 fat cells. Is that like an official scientific narrative now that COVID lives in fat cells?

01:33:42.000 I just saw that headline. I haven't read the article yet. I have to look at it. You read

01:33:49.000 something like that and you're like, I think I'm going to take a really close look at this before

01:33:52.000 I just accept it. There was an article from last year where they said that they tested,

01:33:56.000 ice cream tested positive for COVID in China and they had to recall this ice cream.

01:34:01.000 It was in the ice cream.

01:34:02.000 So I thought, okay, maybe it lives in animal fat.

01:34:05.000 Um, but I've never seen another article about it.

01:34:07.000 Never saw it confirmed or denied.

01:34:09.000 It just appeared in Newsweek and then it was gone.

01:34:11.000 I'd say that even if it doesn't live in fat cells, it's probable that obesity weakens the immune system enough in every way that it's enough.

01:34:17.000 But they're trying to figure out why.

01:34:19.000 They're trying to figure out why.

01:34:20.000 I will just say sugar is the devil.

01:34:22.000 And get it out of there.

01:34:22.000 That's right.

01:34:24.000 You don't need it anymore.

01:34:25.000 It's bad.

01:34:26.000 I'm doing keto right now too, man.

01:34:28.000 I'm trying to lose a little bit.

01:34:30.000 I just got hit with the sugar in here a little bit.

01:34:34.000 There was nothing to it for me.

01:34:38.000 I didn't care.

01:34:39.000 I was skating every day, and then one day I just accidentally only ate high-fat meat and cheese.

01:34:45.000 I had avocados for breakfast, and then I had heavy cream in my coffee, and then I was like, I just keep doing it, whatever.

01:34:51.000 And then I ended up losing a bunch of weight, and I've just been feeling better and better.

01:34:54.000 See, I can't do the diets where you're like, just do this much to eat less, or like, this is really simple.

01:35:00.000 No carbs.

01:35:01.000 That's easy.

01:35:02.000 I can do that, right?

01:35:03.000 It's not no carbs.

01:35:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:06.000 No, of course, of course, because you'd be insane to eat vegetables.

01:35:10.000 Also, if someone was a conspiracy theorist and if there were central controllers out there, you know, what would be better than having a disease out there that culls the population, especially the people who eat the most and the most elderly that don't work, don't produce anything, and you have to give a pension to?

01:35:27.000 What better way to slim the fat, literally and figuratively, if you were a central controller, hypothetically, theoretically, if you were doing that.

01:35:35.000 It's very cold, man.

01:35:38.000 Let's ask the audience over in the super chat.

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01:35:55.000 I stress that because a few people have, you know, made the mistake of signing up for YouTube's membership program, which is very different.

01:36:01.000 Yes.

01:36:01.000 Not the same!

01:36:02.000 But let's read some Super Chats!

01:36:03.000 Alright, we got this one from Steven Nizic.

01:36:06.000 He says, Does this now mean that Jussie Smollett has been found guilty of hate crimes in the heart of MAGA country?

01:36:12.000 Oh! 0.60

01:36:13.000 Oh! 0.60

01:36:14.000 I don't know if it's a hate crime because he just lied to the cops.

01:36:16.000 So, you know.

01:36:18.000 All right, Andrew... But he did commit a hate crime against himself.

01:36:22.000 That's right, that's right.

01:36:23.000 Technically.

01:36:24.000 Hopefully he doesn't beat himself up about it.

01:36:24.000 Sorry, go ahead.

01:36:26.000 That's a joke.

01:36:28.000 All right, Andrew... I'm gonna pronounce this wrong.

01:36:30.000 Is it Pig Chick? 1.00

01:36:32.000 Pig Zick? 0.95

01:36:33.000 He says, how is it that Tim collects all these random polls?

01:36:39.000 We're not random.

01:36:40.000 I knew Tim for like 10 years.

01:36:42.000 Longer than that.

01:36:42.000 It's actually... Oh no, it's actually been just about 10 years.

01:36:44.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:36:45.000 Wow.

01:36:46.000 All right, let's see.

01:36:49.000 DermiWormy says, if you guys want great coverage of the Maxwell trial, go no further than Good Logic on YouTube.

01:36:55.000 An actual lawyer going to the courthouse, watching the trial, and reporting everything.

01:37:00.000 Wow, that's great.

01:37:01.000 We are in contact.

01:37:02.000 Oh, are we?

01:37:03.000 We are.

01:37:03.000 But how deep do we want to go?

01:37:04.000 As soon as the trial's over, we should... Right, yeah, how deep do we want to go?

01:37:07.000 Yeah, and I think for a lot of this stuff, we're talking with Steve Bannon.

01:37:11.000 We're going to do special interviews for the website.

01:37:14.000 Just so that we can have more in-depth sit-down conversations that are very hyper-focused and specific, not like a podcast with multiple new subjects and off-the-cuff conversation.

01:37:24.000 So it'll be great to have like a direct breaking down of like the Maxwell trial and Epstein and all that stuff.

01:37:31.000 All right, Fidel LeBlanc says, watched that Yuri Bezmenov ideological subversion video again today, and if you just replace Soviets with CCP, it's 100% accurate today.

01:37:38.000 Crazy.

01:37:41.000 Wow.

01:37:43.000 Mark VA 71 Euphoric Break says, I've been keto nearly nine years.

01:37:47.000 You're looking great, Tim.

01:37:48.000 Keep it up.

01:37:48.000 Thank you, good sir.

01:37:50.000 We had, um, last time we had Ariel Scarcella on.

01:37:52.000 She's a good friend.

01:37:53.000 She's a YouTuber.

01:37:54.000 She was like, she's like, wow, Tim, you're looking real different.

01:37:57.000 You're looking good.

01:37:58.000 And I was like, what does that mean?

01:37:59.000 And she was like, I'm complimenting you.

01:38:01.000 No, it's like, no, I know, but like, like specifically, like, cause I've been eating, I've been doing keto.

01:38:05.000 My first introduction with the keto stuff was back when it was a conspiracy theory and all the media was saying it was dangerous and not to do it.

01:38:13.000 I knew this guy who would drink a glass of heavy whipping cream for breakfast.

01:38:17.000 I can't do that.

01:38:18.000 Gross.

01:38:18.000 That's crazy.

01:38:19.000 I definitely put heavy whipping cream in my coffee.

01:38:21.000 That's about it.

01:38:22.000 But this dude, he would pour a glass of it and drink it and be like, you know, high fat diet.

01:38:26.000 Yeah, your body starts to swell.

01:38:28.000 It's cool.

01:38:28.000 He was ripped.

01:38:29.000 Oh, wow.

01:38:30.000 He was crazy ripped. 0.57

01:38:31.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:32.000 I was like, I don't know about all that.

01:38:34.000 And then like he had bacon for lunch or something.

01:38:35.000 Well, good for him.

01:38:37.000 Deliopolis says it's easy for us to laugh at Jesse now, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact his ruse, if he pulled it off, could have easily gotten people killed.

01:38:45.000 Yeah.

01:38:46.000 And it sowed so much hate and animosity and anger in this country. 0.99

01:38:50.000 That dude is evil. 0.54

01:38:53.000 And there's still people that believe it's true.

01:38:56.000 And that's the thing that's crazy about these things, right?

01:39:00.000 That the callous nature of how they... It's crazy, man.

01:39:05.000 Are these people sociopaths? 0.95

01:39:07.000 Jesse is, yeah, I think so.

01:39:09.000 Jesse?

01:39:10.000 Jesse. 1.00

01:39:10.000 He strikes me as really, really dumb. 1.00

01:39:12.000 Like, not smart. 1.00

01:39:14.000 I look at him, he looks normal.

01:39:15.000 I've never talked to him or even listened to an interview with him, but after listening to this, I think like, You know what it is?

01:39:22.000 The problem is he's in disguise by shaving off his mustache because if he didn't he would have been sitting in court twirling it and the jury would have been like, oh we can see it right now.

01:39:32.000 But he's trying to hide that.

01:39:34.000 All right, Spork Witch says, not quite right, Luke.

01:39:38.000 Fox recused herself, then had her office and her subordinates, which still report to her, handling everything.

01:39:43.000 It was only after it was taken away from her office entirely, as it should have been, that something was done.

01:39:48.000 She didn't recuse herself, she technically did, by saying she, well...

01:39:53.000 I would say this.

01:39:54.000 She literally didn't recuse herself. 0.99

01:39:56.000 She just went, I'm recusing myself.

01:39:58.000 And then everyone was like, but you literally did not formally recuse yourself because your office is still working on it. 0.98

01:40:03.000 And she was like, shut up. 0.98

01:40:04.000 And she was putting pressure on the office and saying that the charges were, uh, were, uh, were, there was too much charges. 0.77

01:40:10.000 Yep.

01:40:12.000 All right.

01:40:13.000 Mick Squared says that the Jussie wasn't worth the squeeze for this smoulier, but once he's sentenced, his milkshake will bring all the boys to the yard.

01:40:22.000 Keep up the great work, Tim and Cleo.

01:40:23.000 You're an inspiration.

01:40:27.000 Kenneth Bedwell says, Luke and Jan, will you inform Tim about N. Chamberlain, Austria, 4-12, 1938, Czechoslovakia, 1938, and lead to Poland being erased for 65 years.

01:40:34.000 1938 and led to Poland being erased for 65 years. No appeasement. 0.66

01:40:40.000 Yeah. Well, so this is, I was thinking about this, but this is a, you know, this is kind of a different topic. We

01:40:48.000 jumped In a nutshell, when people are annexing land, i.e.

01:40:57.000 Nazi Germany, and nothing happens, this is the thing.

01:41:01.000 These authoritarian leaders, all they know is force and strength, and if you don't respond with strength, they're going to take more.

01:41:10.000 I don't know if it's human nature, I don't know what it is, but it's just, you know, history is rife with this reality.

01:41:16.000 They're talking about N. Chamberlain as Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister during Nazi Germany's rise to power.

01:41:21.000 Peace in our time!

01:41:22.000 And Hitler wanted to annex, was it Czechoslovakia?

01:41:25.000 Well, Poland and the United Kingdom had an alliance and a defense pact, so if Poland was attacked, the United Kingdom said that they would come in and defend Poland, and they never did.

01:41:36.000 Oh.

01:41:36.000 Yep.

01:41:37.000 And then Neville was like, peace in our time by appeasing Hitler. 0.91

01:41:41.000 And then eventually Hitler was like, okay, now he sends a blitzkrieg. 0.92

01:41:44.000 And then they started bombing London.

01:41:45.000 Oh no, what's happening?

01:41:46.000 Why is he doing it?

01:41:47.000 Germany kept annexing land.

01:41:48.000 And then they were like, we'll just give him this little bit of land and then he'll stop.

01:41:51.000 And he never stopped.

01:41:53.000 Well, history is also complex there as well, because there's a lot of it that goes even before that, World War I, and how Germany had its land taken away.

01:42:01.000 So there's... Europe is filled with so much history.

01:42:04.000 I used to love traveling there, but now it's all fascist everywhere, almost everywhere.

01:42:08.000 Poland still is still standing strong somehow, a little bit, but all the other places I just won't be able to visit in my lifetime again, I think.

01:42:15.000 Can't go to Canada unless you get the vaccine.

01:42:17.000 Yeah, can't go to most places in Europe now.

01:42:20.000 Sad.

01:42:21.000 I think it's fair to say, and maybe I'm wrong, I think Seamus would be a good person to ask about this, that if you're on your deathbed and you try to do the deathbed repentance, where you're like, please forgive me, pretty sure God's gonna be like, I believe him!

01:42:43.000 I think he's gonna know what's true in your heart, and if you're just saying it out of desperation, it's not gonna fly, right?

01:42:48.000 That always tricked me out.

01:42:49.000 If Hitler, right before he blew his brains out, was like, and by the way, I accept Jesus into my heart. 0.87

01:42:55.000 What have I done?

01:42:55.000 I've done so much wrong and I'm repentant.

01:42:58.000 And he really truly was.

01:42:59.000 Does that mean he's up there in heaven right now waiting?

01:43:01.000 Hitler? 0.62

01:43:02.000 If he really was repentant and truly accepted Jesus and all that stuff?

01:43:05.000 Of course, Catholicism?

01:43:06.000 Yes, he's in heaven.

01:43:07.000 That to me is nonsense.

01:43:09.000 Like a soul, someone that does what he did, with that much vitriol, is not gonna have a calm, heavenly soul.

01:43:16.000 It's gonna be tortured, man.

01:43:17.000 There's a joke that I just read, it's an old one, where a politician dies, and then he finds himself at the pearly gates, and St.

01:43:24.000 Peter says, oh, yes, you know, so you're a politician?

01:43:27.000 Right, well, we have a new policy here that says you have to spend one day in hell, and then you get to decide where you wanna go.

01:43:33.000 And he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, I don't wanna do that, why do I spend a day in hell?

01:43:36.000 And it's like, it's just policy.

01:43:38.000 And then blink, he wakes up in this luxury suite with, you know, beautiful, like, you know, silk sheets and everything's nice and a handsome gentleman walks in, hands him a cigar and says, welcome to hell.

01:43:49.000 He stands up and he looks out the window and it's beautiful and sunny and he's like, this is hell?

01:43:53.000 And he goes, oh, they're lying about what this is all about.

01:43:55.000 I'm here to help you and they didn't like what I was doing and making everybody a good time free of worship and all that stuff.

01:44:01.000 And he's like, wow, really?

01:44:03.000 Then he shows them around.

01:44:05.000 All of his old friends are there.

01:44:06.000 People he admires and looks up to are there.

01:44:07.000 And they're like, hey man, good to see you.

01:44:09.000 And he goes to a party and they're eating all this good food.

01:44:12.000 And he's like, this is incredible.

01:44:14.000 And they were like, yeah, you can't believe everything you hear.

01:44:16.000 Of course they're gonna try and tell you what's bad here.

01:44:18.000 But we're trying to do right by people.

01:44:19.000 We just don't agree with what they want.

01:44:21.000 And then he was like, wow.

01:44:21.000 And then he sees all his friends and he says goodbye to him.

01:44:24.000 And then all of a sudden, you know, it's getting late.

01:44:26.000 He goes back to his suite and lays down, goes to sleep and then wakes up right before the pearly gates again.

01:44:31.000 And then he was like, that was incredible.

01:44:33.000 And St. Peter says, well, then which do you choose? 0.98

01:44:35.000 He goes, I want to go to hell. 0.61

01:44:36.000 And then he goes, okay, snaps his fingers.

01:44:38.000 And then all of a sudden he's in pitch darkness.

01:44:40.000 He hears screaming and suffering and fire.

01:44:44.000 And then he looks over and he's like, what's happening? 0.65

01:44:47.000 And then a large, grizzled, nasty looking figure in the same suit walks up and he says, it's me, the devil.

01:44:53.000 And he goes, but what happened to the greenery, the luxury?

01:44:55.000 And he goes, that was campaign season.

01:45:00.000 Good joke.

01:45:01.000 That's how it goes, right?

01:45:02.000 It's true.

01:45:03.000 All right, Gerald Armstrong says, Tim, when are you getting Kyle on?

01:45:06.000 He's doing the rounds with Crowder, Blaze, etc.

01:45:09.000 You know, first of all, like, I think Crowder's the same thing.

01:45:12.000 Like, immediately after the trial, we were like, we're not gonna try and, like, reach out and be like, we have to have Kyle Rittenhouse.

01:45:17.000 You know what I'm interested in is, actually, I'd rather wait a little bit.

01:45:22.000 I know he was on, you know, with Elijah and Sydney, and they said a lot of things, and he was on with Crowder, and he was on with Tucker.

01:45:29.000 I'm not interested in trying to just try and book someone because they just had this big breaking news story.

01:45:34.000 I'd like to book Kyle maybe in like three months when he's been watching the news, this story's a little bit behind him, and then hear his opinions on where things have gone and where things are.

01:45:44.000 I think that would be more robust.

01:45:46.000 And also, just to be completely honest, like trying to compete for like one of the top personalities of like right now is just like, I just don't think, you know, I can do it.

01:45:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:55.000 So he's just a young kid, which is why we like and appreciate him.

01:45:59.000 And he did the right thing in an incredibly difficult situation and saved his own life.

01:46:03.000 So, and then he survived the trial.

01:46:05.000 So props to him.

01:46:06.000 But at the same time, it's like, I would like for him to develop his own views on everything.

01:46:10.000 Hopefully become like a strong advocate for 2A stuff and everything, but we'll see what he wants to do.

01:46:15.000 Yeah, I think right now it's like there's a lot of convert questions to be had about what happened.

01:46:20.000 And Tucker Carlson got that interview, broke that stuff down, and that was good.

01:46:23.000 Now I think I'd be interested to wait as we get into midterm season and then have him come on and, you know, flesh out his thoughts and ideas on other subject areas.

01:46:32.000 Otherwise it just kind of feels like everyone's trying to get a piece of the Kyle Rittenhouse story.

01:46:36.000 Yeah, so I went through this with Occupy Wall Street after I got a bunch of attention.

01:46:40.000 And then every news outlet was like, interview the guy. 1.00

01:46:42.000 And I'm like, that's stupid. 0.99

01:46:43.000 I didn't do anything. 1.00

01:46:44.000 Like, I get it.

01:46:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:45.000 You got an interview.

01:46:46.000 That's how I feel when people call me on my birthday.

01:46:46.000 I'm gonna go do my thing.

01:46:48.000 Call me the day before.

01:46:50.000 Yeah.

01:46:51.000 Don't text message me.

01:46:52.000 Call me randomly in the year and say, what's up?

01:46:53.000 How you been?

01:46:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:55.000 But it's cool.

01:46:56.000 I'm glad he's going around talking to people.

01:46:58.000 I just kind of feel like, I don't really feel like I can add anything by just inviting him.

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 But it would be cool in a few months, talk about midterm stuff.

01:47:05.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:47:06.000 Taka no Kage says, Salvation is a gift from God.

01:47:10.000 Man cannot save himself through good deeds.

01:47:12.000 God requires that we agree with him, that we are only capable of wrongdoing.

01:47:16.000 Belief that Jesus died in your place for your sins, and that he is resurrected,

01:47:20.000 and that he resurrected is what saves you.

01:47:23.000 Interesting.

01:47:24.000 So much hell has been brought on earth because of Christianity and religion, like the Crusades. 1.00

01:47:31.000 Maybe that was, you can't pin it on Christianity, the Islam and the people, and it's probably more about the people than the religion, but just to say like, yeah, I believe it.

01:47:38.000 Now I synchronize with God, so I'm good.

01:47:40.000 I can do as much chaos and destruction as I want.

01:47:42.000 I don't vibe with that.

01:47:43.000 The thing is, that's not...

01:47:45.000 So this is interesting.

01:47:46.000 You know, reading John McWhorter's book, right?

01:47:48.000 He's obviously very hostile towards religion.

01:47:51.000 It's very interesting.

01:47:52.000 And what struck me as I was reading was, like, he kind of believes religion to be like the

01:47:56.000 Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades version of religion, which of course was terrible,

01:48:01.000 right?

01:48:02.000 And I hope no one disputes this, right?

01:48:05.000 But that's not the entirety of Christianity or frankly, you know, any one of these faiths that people seek redemption through or enlightenment through.

01:48:15.000 It's just, you know, it's also, I suppose, the human reality of these religions, right?

01:48:21.000 Where things can go when things go really bad.

01:48:22.000 I think a better way to look at religion, and people look at the Catholic Church and they're like, holy cow, this is full of terrible things that happen, and you cannot contest that. 0.69

01:48:29.000 That is true. 0.65

01:48:30.000 But it might be wiser to look at that and say something along the lines of, wow, people are really screwed up, and they'll use any kind of cover to get what they want, whether it's politics or argumentation or religion. 0.92

01:48:42.000 They do.

01:48:43.000 And one of the basic tenets of Christianity is that people are incredibly deeply flawed and thereby need some form of salvation in the form of Jesus, obviously.

01:48:51.000 So, I don't know, maybe we're kind of looking at it backward, looking at the bad things it's done.

01:48:55.000 Maybe it's our misunderstanding of human nature.

01:48:57.000 We've got some super chats that I think are in Polish.

01:49:00.000 I can't read it.

01:49:00.000 Oh boy.

01:49:03.000 I'd love to.

01:49:04.000 I can't read it from here.

01:49:04.000 Can you read that?

01:49:07.000 Can you make it bigger?

01:49:10.000 You want me to walk up there?

01:49:11.000 Let me see if I can just do this.

01:49:13.000 Is that going to work?

01:49:14.000 I think it's working.

01:49:15.000 Yeah.

01:49:15.000 Oh, wait, wait.

01:49:16.000 It's Canada.

01:49:17.000 I see something about, okay, wait.

01:49:19.000 Something about Canada.

01:49:23.000 Is that what it is?

01:49:30.000 What does that mean?

01:49:31.000 We can't help you.

01:49:32.000 I'm sorry.

01:49:34.000 It's love from Canada.

01:49:35.000 Yeah.

01:49:35.000 Here are my people.

01:49:36.000 Love from Canada.

01:49:37.000 That middle part.

01:49:38.000 It would mean like, you know, kind of like take care of yourself.

01:49:43.000 We've had people post Polish stuff before, but I can't read it.

01:49:46.000 So it looks like I don't know what you're saying.

01:49:48.000 It's nice seeing you try though.

01:49:50.000 I keep like, oh, I don't know, keep going, Tim.

01:49:53.000 Yeah, but I read it with English phonetics, so it's just way off.

01:49:58.000 The funny thing is, when I was in Ukraine, there was a bunch of Cyrillic, and we were walking into this area with my friend, and there was a sign, a big banner, and I was like, so what does that say?

01:50:08.000 And she was like, it's English.

01:50:10.000 And I was like, that's not English.

01:50:11.000 And she goes, yes it is, it's just the Cyrillic alphabet.

01:50:14.000 And I was like, really?

01:50:15.000 And she's like, yeah, it's written in English.

01:50:17.000 And then when she explained to me the sounds of the Cyrillic letters, I was like, wow!

01:50:21.000 It said like International Business Festival or something.

01:50:24.000 And it was literally English.

01:50:26.000 It's crazy.

01:50:27.000 Weird stuff.

01:50:28.000 Backwards R. Circle with line in it.

01:50:31.000 That's not right. 0.82

01:50:31.000 Damn right. 0.82

01:50:34.000 What's up, says Tim. 0.97

01:50:35.000 You should watch how woke the Game Awards are. 0.87

01:50:37.000 They're pushing propaganda, normalizing things, and making gaming culture woke trash.

01:50:41.000 You should focus on this more.

01:50:42.000 Millions of uninitiated watch it.

01:50:44.000 We have pop culture crisis for that reason.

01:50:46.000 To talk about video games and not to be super overt on politics.

01:50:50.000 Just to be like, why can't I play a video game?

01:50:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:53.000 But I will say something.

01:50:55.000 I just watched The Order on Netflix.

01:50:58.000 They cancelled it, which is a bummer.

01:51:00.000 It wasn't the best show in the world.

01:51:02.000 But the villain in the second season is literally a communist.

01:51:07.000 And I'm not saying figuratively.

01:51:09.000 I mean, quite literally, they go to this guy's house and they find Stalin books and, like, Marx.

01:51:14.000 And his idea is, like, the show is about a secret society with magic, and they, like, they control it.

01:51:19.000 And his idea is that everyone should be allowed to do magic.

01:51:22.000 This other woman who works with him believes that there is a magic incantation which can free magic users of sacrifice, meaning everyone would have free magic and just be able to make whatever they want happen whenever they want.

01:51:34.000 And the woman who leads the group, The Order, says, if it were possible, don't you think people would have done it by now?

01:51:40.000 People have tried, but a world of free things just doesn't matter.

01:51:44.000 Either you pay now or you pay later.

01:51:45.000 And I was like, they're not talking about magic.

01:51:47.000 They're talking about, you know, like capitalism and communism.

01:51:49.000 The woman was overtly a communist though.

01:51:52.000 She calls her group Praxis.

01:51:54.000 I thought it was funny and I tweeted it.

01:51:56.000 And then the leftists were like, but I don't want politics in my TV shows.

01:52:00.000 And I was like, yeah, I totally get that.

01:52:02.000 That's why I think it's funny.

01:52:04.000 Cause now you guys are angry because they're making fun of communists.

01:52:08.000 Like, yeah, I'd rather just watch a show where a werewolf fights a vampire or something, I guess.

01:52:11.000 I don't know.

01:52:12.000 They canceled it anyway.

01:52:12.000 But I thought it was cool.

01:52:15.000 All right, let's see where we are at.

01:52:16.000 We've got a bunch of Super Chats here. 1.00

01:52:19.000 Um, let's see.

01:52:20.000 People are talking about steroids and sperm counts.

01:52:24.000 All right.

01:52:25.000 Mark S. says, Normally, I don't like some of Ian's questions, but today's Super is for Ian finally making sense.

01:52:31.000 For your information, if you like romance of the Three Kingdoms, check out The Warring States in Japan, 1550.

01:52:37.000 Yeah, is that like Odo Nobunaga and the Tokugawa Shogunate rise to power?

01:52:41.000 I think that happened during the Warring States period.

01:52:43.000 I saw this really great documentary about, you know, the late 1800s in Japan.

01:52:48.000 It was called The Last Samurai.

01:52:49.000 Oh yeah, I think Tom Cruise narrated that.

01:52:52.000 It's a good movie, but I'm kidding.

01:52:54.000 I still like the movie.

01:52:55.000 It's a great film.

01:52:57.000 I actually did watch a really great documentary where it showed the warring factions, the clans in Japan.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, that was bloody.

01:53:05.000 That was crazy.

01:53:06.000 The Sengoku period.

01:53:07.000 Sengoku Jidai.

01:53:08.000 That's what it's... Doopity says, I heard you were having Colin Moriarty at No Taxation on.

01:53:15.000 Is this happening in January because of everything going on?

01:53:19.000 We didn't announce that though, did we?

01:53:20.000 We did not announce that.

01:53:20.000 That's kind of interesting.

01:53:21.000 I wonder if he mentioned it.

01:53:22.000 We are going to have him on sometime in the first quarter, according to him.

01:53:25.000 So we'll make it happen.

01:53:26.000 Yeah, no worries.

01:53:27.000 Yeah, we were, um, because we moved everything around with the Austin trip.

01:53:30.000 Yeah, had to reschedule.

01:53:31.000 SeriouslyJK says, props to Ian for asking a great question and making a solid and cogent point.

01:53:36.000 It's always refreshing and partially redeeming for himself to see that.

01:53:39.000 Go Ian!

01:53:39.000 See you tomorrow though.

01:53:40.000 That's the second super chat that's said, but I don't know what they're talking about.

01:53:46.000 He's already forgot!

01:53:47.000 What the heck?

01:53:49.000 Kustos Videosus says Tim search Braves extension store for return 0.78

01:53:56.000 YouTube dislike. Enjoy. I don't care about seeing the dislike button

01:54:00.000 Um...

01:54:01.000 Because I already know.

01:54:03.000 Removing the dislike button stops people from when they see CNN from realizing everybody hates them.

01:54:08.000 That's why they do it.

01:54:09.000 And Joe Biden.

01:54:10.000 They put CNN on the front page, and MSNBC, and ABC, and they're always downvoted, thumbs down to oblivion.

01:54:16.000 And Lord Fauci as well.

01:54:17.000 And Lord Fauci.

01:54:18.000 But now they got rid of it so you can't see it. 0.98

01:54:21.000 So crusty and pathetic, mind you. 0.50

01:54:24.000 Did you guys see that Rumble threatened a legal action against Odyssey? 0.98

01:54:28.000 Yeah, but I didn't get the whole context.

01:54:30.000 I don't know what Odyssey did.

01:54:31.000 So Odyssey tweeted that Rumble was misleading its investors and using bots, which that's a bold accusation to be completely honest.

01:54:38.000 You better have proof they're using bots.

01:54:39.000 But they used analytics that showed that Rumble's average watch time was a minute and a half or something.

01:54:45.000 And Odyssey's was seven minutes or whatever.

01:54:48.000 Something like that, and the bounce rate was like, I don't know, some stats like that.

01:54:52.000 And the reason to say, it doesn't add up that people aren't really watching the videos, and they said it was bots, and they're lying to investors to make money or whatever.

01:55:00.000 And then Rumble sent him a letter saying, that's not true, those are wrong stats, you're including embedded video players outside of the Rumble website, acting like it's the Rumble website.

01:55:10.000 And then they said, sue me, go ahead, I dare you, show the world who you really are.

01:55:14.000 And I'm just kind of like, I don't, I don't know why Odyssey tweeted that.

01:55:19.000 Like, that seems kind of weird.

01:55:20.000 Like we've complained about Rumble, but like only in like a philosophical context of where we think the future should go.

01:55:26.000 And we've still complimented the fact that there's competition.

01:55:28.000 No, no legal issues with what's going on with Rumbles.

01:55:32.000 But like to, to look at a bunch of evidence and then assume a conclusion is super dangerous.

01:55:37.000 Wait, wait.

01:55:38.000 To look at a bunch of evidence and assume a conclusion?

01:55:40.000 And assume a conclusion?

01:55:41.000 Like, say, here's the evidence.

01:55:43.000 No, no, they can't claim that there are botnets because of the evidence.

01:55:47.000 You're saying to have no evidence and assert a truth.

01:55:50.000 Statistics are not evidence of bots.

01:55:53.000 And claim a truth is still dangerous.

01:55:55.000 Looking at a blue flower and then claiming it rained yesterday.

01:55:58.000 You're like, well, I mean, there's a flower and sometimes it rains, but that doesn't prove anything.

01:56:02.000 Just because Rumble's stats were low in whatever metric they use doesn't prove bots are being used at all.

01:56:07.000 So to look at stats and say, aha, bots!

01:56:09.000 You're like, that's not evidence of bots.

01:56:10.000 It's evidence of people not watching for a long time.

01:56:12.000 Right.

01:56:12.000 Yeah.

01:56:12.000 To use that evidence of incongruencies and then claim it's bots.

01:56:15.000 Why are they fighting in the first place?

01:56:17.000 I mean, what, like, what's, what's the, it feels like there's like a kind of a wide open space here, you know, at the moment.

01:56:24.000 I have concerns about a company like Rumble rallying everybody onto their platform and then going public and making tons of money and I feel that there's a risk of exploitation that ultimately results in more censorship because now it's public and anyone can buy in and of course public investors would revolt and make demands and then you lose control even if you have controlling shares.

01:56:46.000 But at the same time, I'm like, well, any competition's better than nothing.

01:56:49.000 I just think it's good that they did what they did.

01:56:51.000 Fine.

01:56:51.000 We need to make our own thing.

01:56:54.000 I wouldn't accuse them of doing anything, like, illicit or illegal.

01:56:57.000 It's super important that people don't pile on Rumble right now.

01:57:00.000 I've seen people in comments are like, yeah, down with F-Rumble.

01:57:03.000 Like, no, man, come on.

01:57:03.000 We use Rumble.

01:57:04.000 Yeah, Rumble's legit.

01:57:06.000 Why would you do that?

01:57:07.000 I mean, you know, it's pretty clear there are some, you know, Very, very questionable actors out there, and you might want to look at those first, right?

01:57:18.000 It's tough, man.

01:57:20.000 When I complain about Rumble, it's basically because I fear that what they're doing is not the direction towards solving the problem of censorship.

01:57:26.000 But at the same time, it's a major net positive that Rumble locals and all this stuff is happening because it competes with Silicon Valley.

01:57:33.000 But it's big different to come out and accuse them of malfeasance.

01:57:37.000 What is it with the censorship?

01:57:39.000 How does it not help?

01:57:40.000 Going public opens them up to these big institutional investors.

01:57:44.000 So first of all, Rumble effectively sells merges with a company run by an institutional investment firm.

01:57:50.000 Now you've got the institutional interests, they go public through the SPAC.

01:57:55.000 Then, as Ian pointed out, you get Vanguard, State Street, BlackRock, they buy in.

01:57:59.000 Then as much as you think having controlling shares means they can't influence you, it's just not true.

01:58:04.000 When they control enough, they can put pressure on you in ways you can't imagine.

01:58:09.000 And then eventually they're like, OK, well, actually, it's like Steve Bannon said.

01:58:14.000 He was like, someone's going to come to you and offer you $200 million.

01:58:16.000 You're saying this to me.

01:58:17.000 And then they're going to say, we're going to give you $200 million to expand this and make a big show by our own cable network.

01:58:23.000 Our only suggestion is, you know, maybe get rid of Luke.

01:58:26.000 He's a little too edgy for us.

01:58:27.000 That's the game they play, right?

01:58:28.000 Because, like, you know, Luke is outspoken.

01:58:31.000 Edgelord.

01:58:32.000 Edgelord, whatever.

01:58:33.000 And so I have the same view of what Rumble is doing.

01:58:37.000 They get this big money from an institutional firm.

01:58:39.000 How long until they say, look, of course we don't want to interfere.

01:58:43.000 You know, I think it's great that you're this neutral network that's attracted so many people, but you know, you've got this one guy who uses the platform and he's putting us at big risk.

01:58:50.000 Look, you don't got to ban everybody.

01:58:52.000 And it's not like we're saying change the rules.

01:58:53.000 We're just saying, maybe you shouldn't allow this one guy.

01:58:56.000 And then they'll be like, well, you know, they did give us $400 million.

01:58:59.000 So they start censoring people.

01:59:01.000 What we're working on is decentralized technology so that you control it 100%, so you can't ban yourself unless you want to, I guess.

01:59:07.000 You just delete your server.

01:59:09.000 But then you have control of everything, so.

01:59:11.000 But it's, you know, it is what it is.

01:59:13.000 All right, Jacob Jones says, Ian, watch Real Crusades History here on YouTube to get the full Crusades context.

01:59:19.000 And that's where you're screwing up, is context and a pop culture understanding of Crusades history.

01:59:24.000 Interesting.

01:59:26.000 Oh, well thank you for the Real Crusades history.

01:59:29.000 Alright, let's see.

01:59:30.000 Daniel Hanson says you mentioned my mom sometimes when you talk about the cafe owner who was arrested across the

01:59:35.000 Minnesota border in Iowa in Court this week and judge told her she can't argue the

01:59:39.000 constitutionality of the executive orders to jury. This is tyranny Wow, man

01:59:44.000 we do yeah, because I don't think she did anything wrong by trying to survive

01:59:50.000 in an economy where executive decree violates the Constitution and

01:59:55.000 And you know what?

01:59:56.000 I can't give you any legal advice, but I would just argue it.

02:00:00.000 I'd quite literally bring it up.

02:00:01.000 And then what's the judge gonna say?

02:00:03.000 I'll hold you in contempt?

02:00:04.000 I'll be like... Yo man, you can either stick to the Constitution and allow me to explain the Constitution, or you can say, the jury doesn't have the right to know the Constitution, and you can lock me up for however long you think you need to.

02:00:16.000 But I'll keep saying it.

02:00:17.000 No matter how many times you have a trial, I will say the American Constitution.

02:00:22.000 And then what?

02:00:23.000 I don't know.

02:00:23.000 Lock me up.

02:00:24.000 Sure, I guess.

02:00:25.000 That's crazy, man.

02:00:26.000 Sorry to hear.

02:00:27.000 Alright, let's see what we got.

02:00:28.000 Aaron Kohler says, I am from Waukesha.

02:00:31.000 This Jesse Smollett type of mind crime has caused us real physical harm.

02:00:35.000 That's true, man.

02:00:37.000 Alex Better says, you can go to Europe unvaxxed if you're a refugee.

02:00:42.000 Quote-unquote.

02:00:43.000 Indeed.

02:00:44.000 Yep.

02:00:45.000 Flawedzilla says, where do you get your beanies?

02:00:48.000 Uh, I think like Active Rideshop or CCS, skate shops, skate beanies.

02:00:53.000 By the way, did you know we call those toques in Canada?

02:00:56.000 Yeah.

02:00:57.000 Yep.

02:00:57.000 Beanie.

02:00:57.000 Like how is that a beanie?

02:00:59.000 Anyway.

02:01:00.000 Okay.

02:01:01.000 That's just a word for a hat.

02:01:05.000 All right.

02:01:05.000 Let's see.

02:01:05.000 We'll grab a, we'll grab a, we'll grab a couple more here.

02:01:07.000 Oh, this one's, I got to read this one.

02:01:12.000 Septetrion?

02:01:13.000 Tentrion?

02:01:14.000 Says, chip companies selling air really grinds my gears.

02:01:18.000 But you see, what happens is, they have the bag, the machine sprays all the chips, and it fills up to the top, and then in shipping, it shakes, and they all start rustling down and compressing.

02:01:27.000 That's just the way it works.

02:01:28.000 It's for cushioning, right?

02:01:30.000 No, no, no.

02:01:31.000 It's just that when the chips are all laid on top of each other, there's a lot of excess space.

02:01:36.000 When they seal it up and it bounces around in shipping, all of the chips start compressing and sinking to the bottom.

02:01:40.000 And especially when they break.

02:01:42.000 Yeah.

02:01:43.000 That's terrible.

02:01:44.000 Yeah.

02:01:45.000 All right.

02:01:47.000 Homebee says, here's $10 to support the chickens.

02:01:50.000 Go buy raspberries, they are delicious this year.

02:01:53.000 And the chickens love it.

02:01:54.000 They love eating the berries.

02:01:57.000 We gotta get the Chicken City camera set up, but Ben was missing for a while, but we found him.

02:02:01.000 So we're all good.

02:02:02.000 Yeah, we put up the vlog today because Ben was missing, but I guess they ended up figuring out where he went.

02:02:07.000 He was gone for a few days and people were freaking out.

02:02:09.000 There's like missing person reports.

02:02:11.000 Pretty easily.

02:02:11.000 No, he texted back, like...

02:02:14.000 Yeah, after four days, people are like, our tech guy's gone missing, we have no idea where he is.

02:02:19.000 But he's alright, so we're good, we're good, we're good.

02:02:21.000 And now we'll get Chicken City set up.

02:02:22.000 So, alright everybody, go to timcast.com.

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02:02:42.000 This is crazy, we're expanding like crazy.

02:02:43.000 And we are going to hire a ton of people and it's going to be nuts.

02:02:47.000 And then maybe in 10, 15 years, I shouldn't say maybe, in 10 years, we will be a massive international news organization and I will be like 80 years old equivalent because I'll just be worked in the bone too much.

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02:03:08.000 You want to shout anything out, Jan?

02:03:10.000 Uh, well, uh, you know, epochtv.com, check out the American Thought Leaders programs.

02:03:16.000 Uh, you know, like I said, we, we cover all sorts of a range of, uh, you know, interesting guests.

02:03:20.000 And I think it's a bit like the deep dive format that you mentioned that you do in, uh, you know, in the members only, only section.

02:03:30.000 I have a Holocaust documentary that I produced with my wife.

02:03:35.000 My father-in-law is a Holocaust survivor and he's just this amazing man.

02:03:38.000 So we actually produced something that's an optimistic Holocaust documentary.

02:03:42.000 It's called Finding Manny.

02:03:43.000 FindingManny.com.

02:03:45.000 You can check it out there.

02:03:46.000 Um, and, uh, actually it's still in the film festival circuit, so we'll be, we'll be putting up there where, where it'll be showing next.

02:03:53.000 And, uh, you know, Twitter, of course, at Jan Jekielek, J-A-N-J-E-K-I-E-L-E-K.

02:04:01.000 Yeah, my family also had to deal with pretty much the same thing.

02:04:04.000 But Jan, it was zajebiście to have you on. 0.99

02:04:07.000 Zajebiście, that's a great word. 1.00

02:04:09.000 That's a great... I haven't heard that in a while.

02:04:12.000 Oh man, that's just frickin' A. It's one of my favorite terms. 1.00

02:04:19.000 But as you can see, I have my own Matrix t-shirt on today, and I actually did a video on the fourth movie that's coming out soon on LukeUncensored.com.

02:04:27.000 That was very interesting.

02:04:28.000 I think you guys would like it a lot.

02:04:30.000 And I have my own YouTube channel.

02:04:31.000 It's WeAreChange, so I hope to see some of you guys there, and thanks for having me.

02:04:35.000 I love that shirt, Luke.

02:04:36.000 Great resist.

02:04:37.000 That's a good shirt.

02:04:38.000 Yeah, they will own nobody and they will be unhappy.

02:04:41.000 Great resist.

02:04:43.000 Hey, thanks for coming everyone.

02:04:44.000 I'm Ian Crosland.

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02:04:48.000 Contact me through there and I will see you all later.

02:04:51.000 Thank you guys all for tuning in as we talk with Jan and enjoy the company of our Polish gentleman.

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02:04:58.000 Thanks for hanging out everybody.

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02:05:03.000 Again, thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - December 10, 2021

Timcast IRL - Jussie Smollett Found GUILTY On Felony Hate Crime Hoax Charges w-Jan Jekielek

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