Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Kari Lake Trial CONCLUDES, BOMBSHELL Evidence Could Change Everything w-Blake Masters

00:00:00.000 Oh yeah, we're live.

00:00:18.000 How's it going, everybody?

00:00:19.000 We're still here at Turning Point USA.

00:00:21.000 Thanks for tuning in.

00:00:22.000 We got some big news on this, which will be our last show of the year 2022.

00:00:28.000 And what a year it was.

00:00:30.000 I don't know about you guys, but I was glued to the Kerry Lake Trial all day.

00:00:34.000 And it was rough, because I'm just sitting there, I gotta work, but I can't stop watching because the testimony is riveting.

00:00:40.000 And I believe that there was, once again, bombshell evidence provided, this time from the People's Pundit, big data polling, Richard Barris, very, very interesting testimony.

00:00:49.000 And then we got the closing arguments, which in my opinion, I'm not gonna mince words, I think the defense had a good argument.

00:00:58.000 And the plaintiff, this is Kerouac's lawyers, I think did not hit the nail on the head with a hammer, but we will see.

00:01:05.000 This really just depends on whether or not the judge is willing to adhere, I suppose.

00:01:10.000 Well, I gotta be careful.

00:01:12.000 There's a lot of arguments to be made.

00:01:14.000 I think based on what we've seen already, there's reason to believe there were significant errors.

00:01:20.000 This is witness testimony.

00:01:22.000 This is, uh, and data, but it's going to depend on whether or not the judge agrees it was intentionally done to hurt Carey Lake, which is, let's be honest, very, very difficult, if not impossible, to prove.

00:01:34.000 But it does seem that the plaintiff, Carey Lake's team, did provide evidence that there was intent, at the very least, whether or not it was intent to actually subvert the election.

00:01:43.000 We don't, we don't, we don't have that.

00:01:44.000 And that may be where the judge comes back and says, nope, Carey Lake, you're out. 0.99

00:01:48.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:01:49.000 Plus, this one's crazy.

00:01:50.000 Sam Bankman Freed somehow got his bail paid for $250 million.

00:01:56.000 It may have been a 10% bond or something, but it's the biggest bond apparently in history, and it was paid for, and he's being released.

00:02:03.000 We gotta talk about that.

00:02:04.000 Plus, this one I think is big, a news story exclusive.

00:02:08.000 I believe this is Daily Mail exclusive.

00:02:11.000 Facebook, Google, and Twitter—it's not just Twitter—are riddled with former intelligence employees.

00:02:17.000 When I say former, I think only on paper.

00:02:20.000 So we'll get into all that stuff.

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00:02:56.000 Joining us today to talk about this, and boy is it perfect, we got Blake Masters.

00:03:02.000 What's up?

00:03:03.000 Great to be with you here.

00:03:04.000 Who are you?

00:03:05.000 Well, I ran for Senate here in Arizona in 2022.

00:03:09.000 Came up a little bit short.

00:03:10.000 We'll talk about that, right?

00:03:11.000 I obviously watched this Kerry Lake trial today with keen interest.

00:03:14.000 And Kerry, of course, is a good friend of mine.

00:03:17.000 And, you know, before that, I worked in technology.

00:03:19.000 I ran Peter Thiel's family office in San Francisco and in Los Angeles.

00:03:22.000 And so I've had one foot in the tech investing world and one foot in the political world for the past couple of years.

00:03:28.000 And potentially the new CEO of Twitter right here.

00:03:30.000 Is that the rumor?

00:03:30.000 We will see.

00:03:32.000 Almost certainly not.

00:03:34.000 And anyone who wishes that for me wishes a lot of pain for me.

00:03:37.000 We wished it for the show.

00:03:38.000 Like, how cool would that be if Thursday comes around and it just so happens it's Blank Master's CEO of Twitter?

00:03:43.000 Oh, but you're right.

00:03:43.000 It's a curse.

00:03:44.000 It's a curse.

00:03:44.000 It'd be pretty cool.

00:03:45.000 And I do think from a product direction, there's all these interesting things we could do.

00:03:49.000 I think you could actually make Twitter quite profitable in five years.

00:03:52.000 I'm not sure the balance sheet has five years though, right, Elon?

00:03:54.000 Right.

00:03:55.000 He said it's on the path to bankruptcy in, what, a couple months?

00:03:59.000 He said it was a plane with the engines on fire, the controls aren't working, but he did say he thinks he can get it cash flow even by next year.

00:04:06.000 Which is a good sign, so we'll see.

00:04:09.000 I think he should keep running it, by the way.

00:04:11.000 That's when people say, Blake, you should go run Twitter.

00:04:11.000 I agree.

00:04:13.000 It's like, I think Elon can do a better job of it than I can, so why wouldn't we just want him to run it?

00:04:17.000 He's shown he can run multiple multi-billion dollar companies at once.

00:04:21.000 I agree.

00:04:22.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:04:23.000 We also got Luke hanging out.

00:04:24.000 Hey guys, very simple message for you guys here today.

00:04:26.000 2 plus 2 equals 5.

00:04:27.000 The truth is whatever the government wants it to be.

00:04:30.000 Just don't believe the evidence of your eyes and ears and you could be a trendy slave by representing your larger compliance with this shirt on TheBestPoliticalShirts.com because you guys buy the shirts.

00:04:42.000 That's why I'm here.

00:04:43.000 That's the best way to support me.

00:04:44.000 TheBestPoliticalShirts.com because you do.

00:04:47.000 You should write books like George Orwell.

00:04:47.000 That's why I'm here.

00:04:49.000 You're good at that kind of thing.

00:04:51.000 I think so.

00:04:52.000 Hi, everybody.

00:04:53.000 Ian Crossland here from iancrossland.net.

00:04:54.000 Happy to be here.

00:04:55.000 Happy to talk to you, Blake, about tech.

00:04:56.000 And then, of course, we'll talk about politics, too.

00:04:58.000 But let's just get down to it.

00:04:59.000 Let's jump into this first story, man.

00:05:01.000 It's the last show of the year.

00:05:03.000 So we're going to talk about Carrie Lake.

00:05:05.000 And I was watching this trial all day.

00:05:09.000 I got to pull up this story from Fox News because it's absolutely insane.

00:05:13.000 Fox News publishes this story.

00:05:15.000 Carrie Lake's opening salvo in election fraud case appears to fall short.

00:05:20.000 It's not a fraud case.

00:05:21.000 Carrie Lake's trial right now is about invalid ballots. 1.00

00:05:25.000 Lake's fraud allegations didn't appear to explain her 17,000 vote loss to Katie Hobbs.

00:05:30.000 She did not make a fraud allegation.

00:05:32.000 They explicitly said they are not making a fraud allegation.

00:05:35.000 It's crazy to me, not so surprising, when even Fox News is not telling the story correctly.

00:05:41.000 So I'll give you the gist of what we saw yesterday and where we're at today.

00:05:44.000 So yesterday, what do we hear?

00:05:46.000 One witness testified that he was given a sample of certain ballots, and he found that in all of the samplings, there were 19-inch images printed on 20-inch paper, which we know from both the defense and the plaintiff, the machines would reject that.

00:06:03.000 He then testified the ballots were then duplicated, But the originals were not stored along with them, breaking chain of custody.

00:06:11.000 And that's the one that's crazy me, like, is anybody talking about that?

00:06:14.000 Like, if you fill out a ballot, and they told you to put it in box three, and you did, because it didn't count, they would duplicate it and run the duplicate through the machine, and then they lost the original.

00:06:23.000 So how do we compare these two and know they're actually the same?

00:06:26.000 That should have been brought up.

00:06:27.000 We then heard from one witness that 298,000 ballots had no chain of custody.

00:06:32.000 This one's simple.

00:06:33.000 The judge should have just said to the defense, can you produce the chain of custody document in question?

00:06:38.000 They didn't have it.

00:06:39.000 I don't understand how we're at this point.

00:06:39.000 They didn't produce it.

00:06:41.000 Today we heard from the People's Pundit, Richard Barris.

00:06:44.000 He said that exit polling returns for Election Day were substantially lower than anything he's ever seen ever.

00:06:52.000 I think he said something like 72% when he normally looks for around 95-98% returns.

00:06:57.000 And he believes this is because people were not able to vote, so thus they did not come back.

00:07:04.000 Now this was challenged but he basically said due to the errors they talked to voters, voters said that there were long lines and there were tabulation machine problems and because of that he believes people did experience issues, people reported issues and thus a substantial amount of voters were disenfranchised.

00:07:19.000 They argued against this today but I think it's particularly compelling but keep in mind it's not definitive proof, it's circumstantial evidence.

00:07:25.000 Ultimately what we end up getting in the closing arguments And this was really good for the defense.

00:07:31.000 Your Honor, you instructed in your ruling that the plaintiff would have to prove intentional misconduct with the intent to basically subvert the election or flip it in another direction, and they have not proven that.

00:07:31.000 They said it.

00:07:48.000 That's important, because the judge is going to be like, you're right, you can't prove an individual acted intentionally in an effort to hurt Carrie Lake, therefore, even if the ballots are invalid or otherwise, it doesn't matter.

00:07:59.000 That makes no sense to me, because if I trip and fall and accidentally subvert an election, that election got subverted, so it would be no good, you'd have to do a new one.

00:08:06.000 It doesn't matter what my intentions were.

00:08:08.000 But I guess, as per the law, the judge ruled, if you can prove that someone intentionally acted to alter the outcome of the election, Then that was the stipulation for what they needed to win, and it appears the only evidence they presented was that, yes, at I think it was like six locations they tested, they found the ballot tabulators were misconfigured.

00:08:32.000 The only way the misconfiguration could happen is if someone intentionally altered the printer settings.

00:08:36.000 It was not an accident.

00:08:38.000 And then the defense contends, okay, and even if someone intentionally did that, you can't prove the person who did did it to hurt Kerry Lake, therefore we win.

00:08:46.000 Oh, I mean, that is a leap.

00:08:47.000 If you intentionally do something that subverts an election, it doesn't matter if it was about — Kerry is not even — it doesn't make sense.

00:08:57.000 If they intentionally changed it to a 19-inch ballot, then that was intent.

00:09:02.000 Blake, what do you make of this, you know, court hearing?

00:09:05.000 What's your assessment on what you're seeing?

00:09:07.000 Well, I think the standard that the judge is requiring is even higher, right?

00:09:11.000 It's actually Carrie's team had to show intent plus a different result.

00:09:16.000 They had to show intent and the result would have been different but for all of these changes.

00:09:22.000 A tangible number.

00:09:22.000 And that's really hard to prove.

00:09:24.000 We'll see what the judge rules tomorrow, right?

00:09:25.000 But what's indisputable is that Carrie and her legal team have shown They've just put out in front of everybody, all these, call them, whether it's mistakes or active malfeasance, the election was really messed up.

00:09:36.000 It was really messed up.

00:09:37.000 Like people went to go vote on election day and the machines didn't work.

00:09:41.000 The printers did not work.

00:09:43.000 How does that happen?

00:09:43.000 Third world is what it is.

00:09:45.000 One of the witnesses said 132 voting locations, there were issues.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, it's like 30% of the voting locations, which is really great.

00:09:55.000 And Abe Hamaday, the Attorney General, right?

00:09:57.000 His election was certified as a loss by like 500 votes.

00:10:00.000 And I know he's in litigation too, and they're doing a recount, but 500 votes.

00:10:03.000 And everybody of good conscience knows.

00:10:06.000 And we sued on election day to try to get the polls to stay open for a couple more hours.

00:10:09.000 That was rejected.

00:10:10.000 Had the polls stayed open one more hour, Abe would be going into his recount probably up a few thousand votes because those votes on election day were breaking heavily for Republicans.

00:10:19.000 So Abe's was super close and I think that obviously swung it.

00:10:22.000 Kerry's at 17,000.

00:10:24.000 I think she has a good claim that like, hey, if the printers worked and people could actually vote when they showed up, that she'd be the governor of Arizona. 1.00

00:10:30.000 Let's, let's, let's, let's argue for the sake of argument.

00:10:34.000 Let's say the voter tabulation problems and all that didn't exist.

00:10:38.000 A witness testified that 298,000 ballots had no chain of custody.

00:10:44.000 How can you verify where those ballots come from?

00:10:48.000 And then you actually, I'm pretty sure the defense's own witness, I'm not sure if it was Jarrett, testified like, well yeah, we didn't track that.

00:10:56.000 But by law they have to.

00:10:58.000 So okay, hold on there a minute.

00:11:01.000 If I was a judge, and someone came to me and said, the margin's 17,000, and these 290,000 have no chain of custody, I'd say, well, okay, that's against the law, new election, end of story.

00:11:11.000 I bet the judge won't do that, because the law doesn't say, hey, new election, right?

00:11:15.000 And I think we need to change the state law.

00:11:17.000 I think the state legislature should say, hey, if you can't prove chain of custody, you can't assume that's a fair election.

00:11:22.000 But it appears that the burden of proof right now is on the Carrie Lake team.

00:11:25.000 The judge is going to say, well, hey, okay, chain of custody, that was broken.

00:11:28.000 That's technically a violation of the law.

00:11:30.000 But what's the remedy, right?

00:11:32.000 You haven't shown me that they injected new ballots, and that's probably impossible to

00:11:36.000 prove.

00:11:37.000 Maybe it didn't happen, right?

00:11:38.000 What happens to this state if the judge comes out and says, yeah, you know, it's against

00:11:43.000 the law to not have chain of custody, but too bad.

00:11:46.000 I mean, what are the people?

00:11:46.000 I have to imagine half of this state and let alone how the elections impact the rest of the country.

00:11:53.000 But I mean, if I lived here and I was a voter and I was told in the press by the judge and by everyone, these ballots have no chain of custody, so we can't verify them, but we're going to count them anyway.

00:12:04.000 How could I have faith in that system?

00:12:06.000 It'd be really hard to.

00:12:07.000 And that's unfortunate, right?

00:12:08.000 Like whether Republicans win or not, like, I want everybody to know that their vote counted.

00:12:13.000 I want everyone to know that we have a first world election system.

00:12:16.000 And the truth is that as soon as you criticize our elections, people call you an election denier, right?

00:12:21.000 Well, we have better elections than some countries and we have worse elections than almost every Western democracy, right?

00:12:27.000 And the truth is somewhere in the middle.

00:12:28.000 And apparently what we're learning in Maricopa is you can botch an election.

00:12:32.000 You can just botch it.

00:12:34.000 And if no one can prove that you did it with the purpose of putting your thumb on the scale and that it actually mathematically changed the result, you can get away with it.

00:12:42.000 How about this?

00:12:44.000 It was, um, Maricopa County testified.

00:12:46.000 I believe it was, uh, Maricopa County.

00:12:47.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

00:12:49.000 Double check all this.

00:12:50.000 I'm watching the trial, and there's a lot that has to be parsed through.

00:12:53.000 But they initially testified that 19-inch ballots could not appear on 20-inch paper.

00:12:57.000 Then, when the plaintiff's witness came up and said, actually, yeah, we have it, and they published images of this, they come back today and go, oh, actually, we knew about that problem.

00:13:06.000 It affected three other elections.

00:13:08.000 And it's like, whoa, hold on.

00:13:09.000 And he's like, now we're doing a root cause analysis of that.

00:13:11.000 So, but you said the other day it couldn't happen.

00:13:13.000 Now you're saying, oh, yeah, we knew about that.

00:13:15.000 Okay, so you knew that was a problem.

00:13:17.000 It's been a problem.

00:13:18.000 You didn't fix it.

00:13:20.000 To me, it's insane that what we're basically hearing is the election was improperly done in two ways.

00:13:28.000 The ballot tabulators were improperly configured.

00:13:31.000 They knew it was improperly configured.

00:13:33.000 They're trying to figure out how.

00:13:34.000 And there was lost chain of custody on these ballots.

00:13:36.000 And they would just be like, yeah, well, you know.

00:13:39.000 The crazy thing to me is this is the will of the people, of the utmost importance for our nation, for each state, for each jurisdiction, to know that we are governed with the consent of the people, but that they would come out and the judge would be like, yeah, these call into question the integrity of the election, but we're going to roll with it anyway.

00:13:58.000 I mean, I think people are going to lose their minds if that ends up being the ruling.

00:14:01.000 I'll tell you, there's already a lot of appetite for more election integrity in Arizona, right?

00:14:06.000 It carries whole platformless.

00:14:07.000 I'm going to go in and clean this up.

00:14:10.000 Whether you're Republican or Democrat, I'm going to bring more transparency to the system, right?

00:14:13.000 We're going to reform all this stuff.

00:14:15.000 And now if we don't get that opportunity, My heart breaks for people in Arizona.

00:14:20.000 It's like, why would anyone trust it?

00:14:21.000 So, Blake, you ran for the Senate.

00:14:24.000 You did not win.

00:14:25.000 What's different about your election?

00:14:27.000 How did it go?

00:14:28.000 Well, the margin is different.

00:14:30.000 I think I lost by about 125,000 votes was the official difference between Mark Kelly and me.

00:14:35.000 And I think I drew a tougher opponent, and he's an astronaut, and man, he nuked me with like $30 or $40 million.

00:14:43.000 You know, we thought about suing, and was this, you know, was this the right thing to do?

00:14:47.000 And ultimately, with all our analysis, like, no, it wasn't.

00:14:50.000 Because as messed up as this election in Maricopa was, you can't make up 125,000 votes.

00:14:55.000 Like, I don't think I won the election, right?

00:14:56.000 Right, right.

00:14:57.000 I have to have enough integrity to say that.

00:14:58.000 I can't sell false hope to my people.

00:15:00.000 Like I said, Abe Hamadeh, 500 votes?

00:15:03.000 This stuff in Maricopa County absolutely swung 500 votes.

00:15:06.000 Now Carrie has the interesting in-between, right? 1.00

00:15:09.000 And that's what her trial was.

00:15:11.000 And she's trying to prove that but for this incompetence, call it incompetence at best, malfeasance at worst, but for this incompetence, I would have won 17,000 votes.

00:15:20.000 We'll see.

00:15:22.000 Let's hammer that one down.

00:15:24.000 Let's say that Carrie Lake's initial argument was, I understand that it was one big misunderstanding by everybody, nobody intended to do this improperly, but clearly we can see that the vote margin could be different if not for all these tabulators being wrong.

00:15:38.000 The law could not remedy that.

00:15:40.000 That's right.

00:15:41.000 The law requires intent.

00:15:43.000 It requires intent and it's not, could be different.

00:15:45.000 It was different.

00:15:46.000 It would have been different.

00:15:47.000 And that's, that's a really hard bar.

00:15:49.000 It's a really hard bar.

00:15:51.000 That's insane.

00:15:52.000 That's not real governance.

00:15:54.000 Real governance is saying, okay, what do we know?

00:15:57.000 And let's apply remedy on the facts.

00:16:00.000 They're saying, regardless of the facts, there's a high standard that must be met.

00:16:04.000 Meaning they could, the system in place right now would actually put a person in power who didn't win.

00:16:10.000 I'm saying hypothetically, Just because the standard is too high to change it.

00:16:15.000 I think it's insane, because if I were to do something like destroy someone's property, but I didn't do it to hurt them, that wasn't my intention.

00:16:22.000 My intention was just like, oh, I didn't have an intention, I just actually destroyed your house, but I didn't intend to hurt you.

00:16:28.000 No crime.

00:16:29.000 Yeah, apparently when it comes to the, you apply that to the political landscape, it's not a crime, that makes no sense.

00:16:34.000 I mean, intention is irrelevant when you're talking about disrupting and destroying things.

00:16:38.000 Well, like, if you kill someone... I mean, you're right, somewhat, somewhat.

00:16:41.000 If somebody dies and there's no intent, manslaughter.

00:16:43.000 It's like, if you're reckless or whatever.

00:16:45.000 If you intend to do it, now it's murder.

00:16:46.000 But it's still a crime.

00:16:47.000 It is still a crime.

00:16:49.000 Potentially, you could be driving in your car, and you could hit somebody, and it could be totally accidental, and you don't go to jail for it.

00:16:54.000 So, the difference here is, that person still lost their life.

00:16:57.000 We still acknowledge they lost their life.

00:16:59.000 You may be still held liable civilly.

00:17:01.000 We're talking about an end process where one person will be the executive in government.

00:17:08.000 Meaning, there is a very simple remedy.

00:17:10.000 If we can see that something lacks integrity in the election, we hold a new election.

00:17:15.000 Because we're trying to get the will of the people done right.

00:17:17.000 And Carrie Lake's opponent, Katie Hobbs, was, what was her, Secretary of State of Arizona during the election, her own election? 0.77

00:17:23.000 Which I think even California has a law that bans that, right?

00:17:27.000 You shouldn't be able to oversee an election that you yourself are running in.

00:17:30.000 That's just, even if you didn't do anything wrong, that's just the appearance of impropriety which is corrosive to our politics.

00:17:35.000 So obviously Katie Hobbs never should have been allowed to be Secretary of State and preside over this election. 1.00

00:17:40.000 Well, obviously.

00:17:40.000 The Republicans should have spoken out more about Brian Kemp in Georgia for a similar reason.

00:17:44.000 Well, it's also important to note that I think the Republicans were very divided this upcoming midterm election.

00:17:49.000 We saw a lot of money that was sent in many different places, and I think, very surprisingly, it was a lot of Democratic super PACs that were supporting a lot of the Trump-backed candidates.

00:18:00.000 But there's also an article here by Politico that's describing how Trump was splitting donations with you, Blake, 99 to 1.

00:18:08.000 Was that the truth?

00:18:08.000 Because you were well overspent.

00:18:11.000 Because your opponent spent way more money than you.

00:18:14.000 Can you just quickly tell us how much your opponent spent and how much you spent on this upcoming midterm election?

00:18:19.000 And where was their resistance?

00:18:20.000 Because it seemed like a lot of old Republicans didn't want to give you money.

00:18:24.000 I have to correct that a little.

00:18:25.000 It's a misleading headline.

00:18:26.000 Got it.

00:18:27.000 It's true insofar as it goes, but actually, you know, on that list share, President Trump was was sending out emails saying it done it to Blake on my behalf.

00:18:35.000 We were getting those emails.

00:18:36.000 It was helping me grow my email list.

00:18:38.000 So the benefit wasn't financial in the immediate term so much as that long term list building, right?

00:18:42.000 He rarely does that for candidates.

00:18:43.000 So it was actually a big net benefit to me.

00:18:45.000 The press sees that and they're like, Oh, Trump is screwing Blake.

00:18:47.000 No, that wasn't true.

00:18:48.000 donated $100. He got 99, you got a dollar, but you also got the emails from that.

00:18:54.000 Yep. And that's a common practice, but the media was just looking to be unfair to Trump

00:18:58.000 on that. But so are you saying that the emails he was sending out was intended to fundraise for himself, but

00:19:04.000 he included you on it? Or was it intended to fundraise for you and you took the lion's

00:19:07.000 share, but it still benefited you? More the former. More the former. And you'd

00:19:11.000 have to look at the exact email copy or whatever, but like it was a common practice and they

00:19:15.000 And then, so it's like, is that half inaccurate?

00:19:16.000 Technically, but it's misleading by lack of context.

00:19:19.000 The journalists pounced.

00:19:20.000 They pounced!

00:19:22.000 But, uh... But your opponent over here spent so much more money than you did.

00:19:26.000 Oh man, a lot.

00:19:27.000 So I worked my tail off, right?

00:19:28.000 And I raised $10 million, which is hard to do when the limits are $5,800.

00:19:32.000 We're raising money, you know, phone calls, a couple hundred bucks at a time, a couple thousand bucks at a time, adds up to $10 million.

00:19:37.000 Mark Kelly raised about $70 million.

00:19:39.000 Hard dollar. So it was about 7 to 1. That's on the hard dollar side.

00:19:43.000 And that's the...

00:19:45.000 And a lot of it came from McConnell and the GOP establishment, I'd imagine, huh?

00:19:48.000 I'm half kidding, by the way.

00:19:49.000 I don't think...

00:19:50.000 They definitely didn't help me, but they sat out.

00:19:53.000 What's your response to the story of Democratic super PACs financing a lot of the more populist

00:19:59.000 candidates, a lot of the more Trump-backed candidates this midterm election?

00:20:03.000 Because this was one of their strategies, and some people are saying it actually worked in their favor, and there was major Democratic organizations donating to those specific individuals.

00:20:10.000 I'm not sure that happened in Arizona.

00:20:12.000 You know, people thought that was happening.

00:20:15.000 I've heard that alleged.

00:20:16.000 I haven't really seen it with my own eyes.

00:20:19.000 We saw it, I think, in Maryland.

00:20:20.000 And in New Hampshire as well.

00:20:22.000 And it was, like, explicit and overt.

00:20:25.000 Just because they wanted to run against Baldock or something?

00:20:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:29.000 They thought it would be easier to get moderates if they pushed someone that was more conservative or further right.

00:20:36.000 What'd you spend the $10 million on?

00:20:38.000 Is that public?

00:20:40.000 Uh, I think it's public.

00:20:41.000 Yeah, mostly, um, I mean, mostly, you know, TV staff, obviously you got to cover your costs.

00:20:46.000 And, and, uh, mostly we had volunteer door knockers and it was a grassroots lean operation, but, uh, but staff and then mostly TV and advertising, right?

00:20:53.000 TV, radio, digital, you got to get the message out.

00:20:55.000 Did you advertise on social media?

00:20:58.000 Yeah.

00:20:58.000 What did Mark spend 70 million on?

00:21:00.000 Same stuff?

00:21:00.000 TV.

00:21:01.000 I mean, just so August and September, as soon as I won the primary, I won the primary August 2nd, went by 12 points.

00:21:01.000 He nuked.

00:21:07.000 Wasn't particularly close.

00:21:08.000 August 3rd.

00:21:10.000 The Democrat spigot just turns on, right?

00:21:13.000 And every third commercial is just, Blake Masters is a monster.

00:21:17.000 Mark Kelly is this great guy. 0.93

00:21:18.000 Blake Masters is a monster.

00:21:19.000 Where he shows you in black and white and the music's like... Yeah, exactly, exactly, all these.

00:21:22.000 And you know, I know we're tempted to think, like, this stuff doesn't work.

00:21:25.000 This stuff doesn't work, right?

00:21:26.000 People can see through it and it's like, well...

00:21:28.000 If you go four months and you deploy like 50 million dollars against somebody telling people that they're a monster, they might actually believe it on the margin, right?

00:21:37.000 Which, you know what I want to do?

00:21:38.000 We were unable to overcome.

00:21:40.000 I would love to run a commercial, like it's too late now, but maybe I'll consider this in the future where it's just like one of those campaign ads where it's black and white and it'll be like, Mark Kelly went to outer space.

00:21:49.000 How do we know an alien didn't replace him?

00:21:52.000 And then like, did he go to space?

00:21:53.000 Blake Masters is a boy scout who helps a church.

00:21:56.000 That's basically the formula, and it's cut and paste, and you do that enough, and the ballot harvesting, right?

00:22:02.000 And then they go together, right?

00:22:04.000 Because I think people who are really paying attention, people who have a political opinion, they're not gonna be...

00:22:10.000 I think sold by those ads.

00:22:11.000 But if someone just has in their subconscious while they're trying to watch some entertainment, right?

00:22:15.000 Blake Masters is this horrible guy because I've seen it 36 times in the last two weeks.

00:22:19.000 Then someone knocks on the door and says, Hey, have you filled out that ballot yet?

00:22:22.000 No, I haven't.

00:22:23.000 Oh no.

00:22:23.000 I might not.

00:22:24.000 Hey, have you heard Blake?

00:22:25.000 And all of a sudden there's a, there's a vote in the system by a low propensity voter.

00:22:30.000 So I just want to ask you just advertising is quite effective.

00:22:32.000 I just want to ask you one question, just going along with this conversation.

00:22:34.000 What did you learn from this election and what would you be doing differently if you could go back and change anything?

00:22:40.000 Going back, I think we'd have to focus more on early voting.

00:22:45.000 Harvesting is technically illegal, but there's nothing illegal about tracking ballots and actually raising money to go.

00:22:50.000 It's almost a bigger project than one campaign could do, but certainly as a party we need to get better at understanding we gotta be banking votes early. I think Kerry Lake and I, you know, we

00:23:00.000 were working hard. We would fill gymnasiums, 500 people, thousand people, night

00:23:04.000 after night. We were winning hearts and minds. We had the enthusiasm. We

00:23:08.000 had, we were, look, we were chasing votes and the Dems had turned it into a

00:23:10.000 mathematical ballot chasing operation. It's all it is now. And it was done very, very

00:23:15.000 early and, you know, as soon as voting opened up in October, I think they were able to open up a lead.

00:23:19.000 And so we got to get much more quantitative and mathematical about it early on.

00:23:22.000 So our reporter, Shane Cashman, he's covering the Carrie Lake trial right now very heavily.

00:23:29.000 He had to sit down with Carrie Lake, but he also got to sit down with Ye, Kanye West.

00:23:33.000 And he told me, he's like, hey man, Ye's taking ballot harvesting really, really seriously.

00:23:36.000 And I was like, that's the one thing I told him.

00:23:40.000 And I told him, uh, before the show started, he asked me, how do I become president?

00:23:44.000 I was like, I, he asked me three times and he kept getting mad that I wasn't answering him.

00:23:48.000 And I was like, cause I'm not a political consultant, but I was like, okay, fine.

00:23:50.000 Uh, ballot harvesting.

00:23:51.000 And he was like, what's that?

00:23:52.000 And I was like, knock on doors, tell people to fill out the ballot, have someone fill out the form to properly return the ballot for them.

00:23:59.000 Then it doesn't matter what message you have.

00:24:01.000 You don't need to go to anybody and say, here's what I'm going to do.

00:24:04.000 All that matters is you knock on their door and say, just fill it out.

00:24:06.000 And they'll do it.

00:24:06.000 Who cares?

00:24:07.000 And I'm like, especially if you're if you're Kanye West, you're not going to say Trump, Biden, Kanye West.

00:24:11.000 People are going to say Kanye West.

00:24:12.000 Celebrity.

00:24:13.000 So some states ballot harvesting is legal.

00:24:15.000 Some it's not.

00:24:16.000 In 39 states, it's illegal.

00:24:17.000 And it's not in Arizona.

00:24:18.000 It's not.

00:24:19.000 It's illegal in Arizona.

00:24:21.000 But here's here's here's what is legal.

00:24:23.000 Right.

00:24:23.000 You can if you have 15 million bucks and the Dems do this and Republicans didn't write to our great detriment.

00:24:28.000 But if you have 15 million bucks, you hire a thousand people.

00:24:31.000 You assign each person.

00:24:32.000 Here's 500 ballots, right?

00:24:33.000 People.

00:24:34.000 Their names.

00:24:35.000 And you can go to their door and knock.

00:24:37.000 Hey, have you voted?

00:24:37.000 We know you've got a mail-in ballot.

00:24:39.000 And that person probably wouldn't have turned it in, but you can just keep bothering them.

00:24:43.000 Keep showing up.

00:24:43.000 Be polite, but show up at the door.

00:24:44.000 Hey, have you voted?

00:24:45.000 Hey, you want me to stop coming to your door?

00:24:45.000 No?

00:24:48.000 Vote right now.

00:24:48.000 Open it up.

00:24:49.000 Let me walk you to your mailbox.

00:24:50.000 That's legal.

00:24:51.000 What you can't do is just collect it physically and then turn it in.

00:24:54.000 So this is every state.

00:24:56.000 In 39 states, you can actually knock on the door and be like, I'll take it for you.

00:24:59.000 I think it's 12 states have certain stipulations, like you have to sign a form as a caregiver or something.

00:25:05.000 But there are many states where you're allowed to knock on the door and be like, I'll take that right for you to the mailbox.

00:25:09.000 And then you end up seeing people coming in and dropping off tons of ballots.

00:25:12.000 But I'll simplify it for you.

00:25:15.000 Someone knocks on the door in a city And they say, hey, I see you got your mail-in ballot.

00:25:20.000 And they go, yeah.

00:25:21.000 And he goes, why don't you fill it out?

00:25:22.000 And they go, all right, I guess.

00:25:24.000 Who am I voting for?

00:25:26.000 I go, OK.

00:25:26.000 Just Democrat.

00:25:27.000 And then what do I do now?

00:25:28.000 Just drop it back in the mailbox right there at the front of your door and the mailman will come take it.

00:25:31.000 You're allowed to tell them to vote Democrat?

00:25:31.000 And they go, OK.

00:25:32.000 Mm-hmm.

00:25:33.000 These people are not politicians who are going to knock on your door.

00:25:35.000 These are activist nonprofits who are just being like, as a regular old person, here's what you should do.

00:25:40.000 That sounds like the government telling Twitter to censor for them.

00:25:43.000 Like, just because they're not politicians, they're hired by politicians to do it?

00:25:47.000 Look, if I'm a regular person and I knock on someone's door and say, I want you to vote for Blake Masters, that's just me as an individual.

00:25:47.000 I disagree.

00:25:54.000 But if you've been hired by the Masters campaign to do it, it's different?

00:25:57.000 That's very, very different.

00:25:58.000 But these are non-profits.

00:25:59.000 These are not the candidates necessarily doing it.

00:26:02.000 To a certain degree, they probably do it to the legal extent they can.

00:26:05.000 But what ends up happening is, I think one thing I want to stress is that a lot of Republicans didn't understand how Biden could have gotten so many votes.

00:26:13.000 They didn't understand this going into 2022 even.

00:26:15.000 And so we end up seeing what should have been a red wave come in substantially less.

00:26:20.000 But it's not so much that the votes didn't come in, it's that Democrats got a ton of votes Through ballot harvesting and grassroots efforts, which is totally above board and legal, except because of universal mail-in voting laws and because of absentee voter lists which persist after the first time you sign up, it makes it extremely easy for urban centers to get out the vote and very difficult for rural voters.

00:26:39.000 You were mentioning that the rural vote didn't turn out.

00:26:41.000 Is that what happened?

00:26:42.000 Not how we needed it to in Arizona.

00:26:44.000 So think about you driving out to a rural area where every house is a football field away from each other.

00:26:51.000 You knock on the door, you wait a few minutes, then you get in your car, you drive down the football field, you park,

00:26:56.000 you get out, you knock on the door, you wait a few minutes, someone answers, they say, sorry, I'm not interested, you

00:26:59.000 get in your car.

00:27:00.000 In a major urban center where you've got one big housing unit with a hundred apartments, you knock on the door, no

00:27:05.000 answer, you turn around physically and knock on the door and you get an answer.

00:27:09.000 A major advantage to Democrats because they tend to be living in urban areas.

00:27:14.000 Like you could argue it's like 1,300% more effective or like 1,700% more effective because the amount of time it takes in an apartment complex to go to like 190 people, it takes you, you probably get to like seven houses in the country or like nine, twelve houses in the country.

00:27:29.000 Like a 14 to 1 ratio, that's a lot of time and gas money.

00:27:29.000 Exactly.

00:27:35.000 Man, you know, we got to be self-critical.

00:27:36.000 Some of this was self-inflicted, like Republicans, you know, we're, we're very into voting in person on election day, this cycle, right?

00:27:42.000 The good old fashioned way.

00:27:43.000 And like, I'm sympathetic to that.

00:27:46.000 I, I think, you know, more people should vote on election day.

00:27:48.000 Like that's, that seems like a good thing to do, right?

00:27:50.000 This, this crazy extension of mail-in voting that we saw in COVID.

00:27:54.000 So, you know, and, and what, what's the left-wing wishlist is just automatic voter registration.

00:27:58.000 Let's mail a ballot to everybody, you know, 16 year old voters.

00:28:01.000 Sixteen-year-old voters, pretty soon they'll say, like, well, let's just presume that you voted the same way that you did last time, and that you have to opt out, you know?

00:28:07.000 I mean, look for that to be on the discourse in the next five years.

00:28:10.000 But as long as we have this mail-in voting regime, we need to use it.

00:28:16.000 We can't just say, hey, let the Dems bank votes, and then we'll all show up on election day.

00:28:22.000 Well, on election day, the printers might not work, right?

00:28:24.000 And you can't leave yourself in this vulnerable position.

00:28:26.000 I gotta ask you the tough question, tough question for me.

00:28:30.000 When I hear that you did not get support from the Republican establishment, I can't say I'm surprised it's the establishment, but they're not giving you the support.

00:28:41.000 Meanwhile, the Democrats are giving all of their support to Mark Kelly.

00:28:45.000 That plays a role in your defeat, does it not?

00:28:47.000 Oh, huge.

00:28:48.000 Absolutely huge. So my question then is when They say we got to get Kevin McCarthy to Speaker of the

00:28:55.000 House and you know, look I got I got a mess I'm not a Republican not a big fan of the Republican Party

00:28:59.000 More like honestly left libertarian, but I feel like the modern left is a weird cult

00:29:04.000 So I'm looking for whatever I can get tends to be more so libertarian Republican

00:29:09.000 Then they come out even Marjorie Taylor Greene who I like says support Kevin McCarthy and I'm like first of all

00:29:14.000 I'm not in Congress. I know they're gonna vote on it, but I'll tell you this I actively opposed

00:29:18.000 These people maintaining their positions as Republican leadership

00:29:22.000 When you look as your campaign as the best example, they could have done more at the very least

00:29:30.000 They could have done anything to support you.

00:29:32.000 They don't.

00:29:33.000 In my opinion, I think they actively are working against candidates like you and others.

00:29:37.000 And then they think, I'm going to walk up as someone who's never been a traditional Republican and throw my weight behind establishment candidates for their... No, I'd rather... Look, Simply put, if Hakeem Jeffries wins as Speaker of the House because, you know, a lot of the Republicans in the House, the Freedom Caucus or otherwise, don't want to support the establishment, I don't care.

00:29:57.000 I view it as all very much the same.

00:29:58.000 I don't know what your thoughts are, but that's where I'm at.

00:30:01.000 I care.

00:30:01.000 I think Hakeem would be way worse than McCarthy, but I think we need new leadership.

00:30:05.000 I agree.

00:30:05.000 I think both of those are true.

00:30:06.000 And I understand where you're coming from.

00:30:08.000 I'm not there, but... I do think he'd be worse, but I just kind of feel like unless there's a reckoning for the Republican establishment, and there's a clean... You know what?

00:30:16.000 Fine.

00:30:16.000 Let Hakeem Jeffries be Speaker if it means the current iteration of the GOP establishment disappears or is gutted, and then there's a backlash among the donors, and everybody says this was a huge mistake.

00:30:27.000 Right now the problem is they're saying the mistake is to support you, the mistake was to support Carrie Lake, when it's actually the inverse.

00:30:34.000 The mistake is to support people like McCarthy.

00:30:37.000 And if we all do, it'll be the same garbage all over again, 2024 will come around, they'll flub everything.

00:30:43.000 If Hakeem Jeffries does win, because a lot of people like me just say, I don't care about those people, maybe then the donor class, maybe then a lot more establishment Republicans might be like, okay, we were gutted and we don't exist as a reckoning for their failures.

00:31:00.000 Look, I want the reckoning too, but it might not happen, right?

00:31:02.000 Maybe Hakim becomes speaker and then the establishment and the GOP side doesn't fade away.

00:31:06.000 And then you have the worst of all worlds, right?

00:31:09.000 And so it's an age-old thing in politics.

00:31:10.000 What's the lesser of two evils?

00:31:12.000 Or if you do that, don't you just get evil?

00:31:14.000 But that's the situation, the lesser of two evils.

00:31:17.000 That brought us into our current political landscape where we have a duopoly.

00:31:21.000 We have one party, not two parties, that are essentially ruling together on a lot of the same issues that don't represent the people.

00:31:27.000 The populist movement, the people that used to represent the people were people like Bernie Sanders, were people like Donald Trump, and they have forgone a lot of their policies that would have helped people.

00:31:37.000 Donald Trump right now is endorsing McCarthy.

00:31:39.000 I think that's absolutely crazy that he's doing so, especially with what happened with the elections recently.

00:31:45.000 How do you rectify all of this?

00:31:47.000 And for you, what would be the solution here?

00:31:49.000 How can we move forward in a way that's more concise, in a way that's actually more reasonable, in a way that actually does represent and help solve some of the people's problems?

00:31:57.000 I mean, I think my best answer is to just stay in the fight.

00:32:00.000 You know, I don't know whether that means, you know, run for Senate again or run for Congress or figure out a different way to be involved.

00:32:05.000 But I don't I don't have a one sentence answer.

00:32:07.000 We just have to keep at it.

00:32:09.000 You know, a lot of people in Arizona after After the election was certified, said, well, we should have just run boring, safe Republicans instead of Blake and instead of Kerry.

00:32:16.000 And it's like, well, I got to tell you, that wouldn't, that wouldn't work.

00:32:21.000 But, but even if, even if they would have won, it's like boring and safe Republicans is, is sort of what's delivered us to this moment today.

00:32:28.000 And the public is very disenchanted with that politics as usual, the uniparty, it doesn't work.

00:32:33.000 And so we have to figure out a way forward.

00:32:34.000 I think that way forward is this kind of somewhat populist America first, You know, policy platform, we just have to figure out a way to articulate it that is going to win us elections.

00:32:44.000 We had Milo Yiannopoulos on the show just after the midterm, and he explained to us Trump supporters wanted revenge.

00:32:50.000 The reason why they were upset, even though they did win, you know, winning the House, it's because they want revenge.

00:32:56.000 They want to feel that there's hope.

00:32:59.000 They want to see a decisive victory.

00:33:01.000 I'm going to be completely honest with you as to how I feel right now.

00:33:04.000 When Marjorie Taylor Greene put out that Twitter thread supporting Kevin McCarthy for Speaker, she made a lot of really, really excellent points that were very convincing to me.

00:33:12.000 That Kevin McCarthy's made some promises.

00:33:14.000 That there's going to be investigations.

00:33:16.000 They're going to look into the southern border.

00:33:17.000 They're going to look into the Twitter files.

00:33:20.000 He actually came out in opposition to the omnibus.

00:33:22.000 Things that are all really, really great.

00:33:24.000 But while I can reconcile that logically in my mind, I think long term, I don't trust this man.

00:33:30.000 I don't trust the establishment.

00:33:31.000 I believe they backstabbed the America First candidates.

00:33:34.000 And you know, I gotta be completely honest, I kinda want emotional satisfaction.

00:33:39.000 I want revenge.

00:33:40.000 That doesn't mean I'm willing to give in to illogical thought processes.

00:33:44.000 I understand your point on, hey, Kevin McCarthy, he's offering us this stuff, it's better than Hakeem Jeffries.

00:33:50.000 But part of me is just like, no, I think at the very least, There needs to be some kind of effort among whatever this faction is of more libertarian-minded individuals that they cannot play this game anymore.

00:34:05.000 So you know what?

00:34:06.000 If that means that King Jeffries gets to be rid of the House, honestly, I don't care.

00:34:08.000 I don't.

00:34:09.000 I'm so sick and tired of it going on.

00:34:13.000 Man, since I got into politics, watching lie after lie, failure after failure, I certainly understand how Luke's feeling with like, just get rid of the government, just wash it all away.

00:34:21.000 I'm at the point where it's like, well, you know, maybe Luke's right, but I'll take, let the establishment lose what little opportunity they had for some power, and then we can all laugh in Kevin McCarthy's face and the Republican establishment, and then we can laugh McConnell out of office and say, you know what, we may not have gotten the power we want, but we weren't going to get it anyway.

00:34:36.000 Maybe this is just the reckoning they need, and then they need us.

00:34:41.000 And I'll tell you, I feel really angry because I feel like they really need me.

00:34:44.000 I am not a Republican, I don't like Republicans, but I ended up voting Republican in the past.

00:34:50.000 I ended up supporting a lot of Republicans, not just voting, having shows, and then all they do is that I feel like they backstab people like you, they backstab people like Carrie Lake, the media lies about what they're doing, and I'm like, fine.

00:35:03.000 I want them now to lose.

00:35:05.000 They do not deserve power.

00:35:06.000 If the Republicans would stand up to Democrats like they stand up against their fellow Republicans, the political landscape would be totally different and they would be at odds.

00:35:14.000 But at the end of the day, that's not what's happening here.

00:35:17.000 So how do we rectify this?

00:35:18.000 How do we fix this?

00:35:20.000 What do you think about voting online in addition to current laws with like a blockchain reference as backup?

00:35:27.000 In theory, it works.

00:35:28.000 In practice, it terrifies me, right?

00:35:30.000 No, I want as little technology involved as voting as possible.

00:35:33.000 I think it's crazy that we have, you know, tabulation machines where the code is closed source.

00:35:37.000 Like, you can't actually tell what's going on, right?

00:35:39.000 Like, if you have it, it should be open source, but maybe you don't even need it at all, right?

00:35:42.000 Like, why not get back to precinct-level voting?

00:35:44.000 The only technology that I really want is high-definition video cameras trained on manual hands, you know, reporting ballots and results at the precinct level.

00:35:53.000 Upload that video online and let the internet have at it, right?

00:35:56.000 Like, we want more transparency and less sort of closed-source technology.

00:35:59.000 Are you concerned about, like, an open internet voting because it could get hacked?

00:36:04.000 I just think you probably can't get there all at once, and the intermediate steps would be extremely insecure.

00:36:09.000 Ian's for microchip voting, by the way.

00:36:11.000 I prefer graphene tattoos.

00:36:12.000 Just to clear the record here.

00:36:14.000 There you go, that works as well.

00:36:15.000 But I wanted to ask you, is it time for a new party?

00:36:18.000 Because it does seem like the larger populist ideas, standing up for the American people, standing up for the American middle class, standing up against the people who committed the Jeffrey Epstein saga, There's a huge portion of those people on the left and right.

00:36:30.000 There's also a huge portion of people that don't vote in the United States.

00:36:33.000 Is it time to move away and have a political realignment here?

00:36:37.000 Is that possible?

00:36:37.000 A lot of people are saying that this could possibly happen on the Democratic side.

00:36:40.000 A lot of people are saying this could happen on the Republican side.

00:36:43.000 Is that feasible from your expertise in politics?

00:36:45.000 Oh, is it feasible?

00:36:46.000 No.

00:36:47.000 Yes.

00:36:47.000 Is it time for it?

00:36:48.000 I'd say it's long past time for it.

00:36:49.000 We were never supposed to have this two-party system.

00:36:50.000 It's like literally not the government that our framers ever set up or really envisioned.

00:36:54.000 I guess they did envision it, they feared it, and they warned us about it.

00:36:58.000 But I think the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are probably too established to to change it. And maybe it changes over time. And it

00:37:06.000 definitely seems like there's a civil war within the Republican Party, with the old rhinos and the 0.85

00:37:11.000 anti-establishment. But then there looks like there might be another civil war within just the anti-establishment

00:37:16.000 alone with DeSantis versus Donald Trump, with Donald Trump attacking DeSantis recently.

00:37:20.000 So it's like a civil war within a civil war. This doesn't look good and doesn't look promising,

00:37:25.000 especially with the Republicans not having a lot of institutional power to change anything when

00:37:29.000 it comes to ballot harvesting, when it comes to mail-in ballots.

00:37:32.000 For me, personally, this is my assessment.

00:37:34.000 I don't know if you think I'm too pessimistic or too black-pilled here, but I don't see the Republicans winning anytime soon in many years to come.

00:37:41.000 I'd say the saving grace is the Democrats really are that bad, and they're going to... They're horrible! 0.98

00:37:46.000 They're going to get worse, and so if we, I don't know, maybe we, you know, I think we can do it by 2024.

00:37:50.000 We certainly have a lot of work to do.

00:37:51.000 I still think the Republican Party is the right vehicle.

00:37:55.000 If you care about peace, if you care about prosperity and individual freedom and all the things we care about, I do think the Republican Party is the vehicle to salvage.

00:38:02.000 It's the most popular...

00:38:06.000 I don't think there's a way into political power, you know, at least right now or in the immediate future, unless you're going through the Democrats or the Republicans.

00:38:17.000 I disagree.

00:38:18.000 I think the internet video is super powerful because right now if we ask people that subscribe to TimCast.com, for instance, to vote for you or to fund you in a campaign, you'd get massive worldwide publicity and money.

00:38:30.000 I think that if I were to run for office and did a show where, to my audience, I said, vote for me, I would get substantially less votes than you think.

00:38:39.000 Because a lot of people might like watching the show or might like me personally, but they're going to say, oh, come on, he's not going to win.

00:38:45.000 And then what, you know, I'm, I'm, I'd rather vote for someone who's got a better chance.

00:38:48.000 So I can, Ian, who, who dominates the online space, right?

00:38:51.000 Who dominates you, Luke, who dominates, who dominates Facebook, right? Who, who, who

00:38:56.000 dominates the people that own the FBI and who's the FBI backing right now at this

00:38:59.000 particular time, the Democrats, the leftist and also the establishment candidates. So whoever

00:39:05.000 plays ball in Washington, DC gets an unfair advantage on big tech, social media. That's a

00:39:10.000 reckoning that we can't underestimate because it has a huge effect on what America thinks, not

00:39:14.000 just on how they vote. So until there's a larger reckoning here, I mean, Twitter is one

00:39:18.000 social media that Elon Musk is putting everything behind, risking everything, essentially exposing

00:39:23.000 the deep state for all the horrible things that they've been doing. But that's one element of

00:39:27.000 it. Will we have even congressional hearings that lead up to anything because of this? Well, I

00:39:32.000 hope so, but I kind of doubt We have a story from Daily Mail.

00:39:36.000 This one's big.

00:39:37.000 Spooks infiltrate Silicon Valley.

00:39:39.000 Facebook is riddled with ex-CIA agents, including President's Briefer, who now runs Harmful Content Team.

00:39:46.000 So many ex-FBI work at Twitter, they have a Slack channel, and Google is rife with ex-CIA.

00:39:55.000 There you go.

00:39:56.000 The intelligence agencies run the technology sector.

00:39:59.000 I guess I'll throw it to you, Blake, having been involved in the tech sector.

00:40:02.000 What do you see with this?

00:40:03.000 Have you personally witnessed anything like this or what are your thoughts?

00:40:07.000 We have personally witnessed Google coming down and being unfair, right?

00:40:11.000 So when we were trying to build this small-dollar fundraising email operation, we would find a disproportionate amount of our fundraising emails would get sent to spam in Gmail.

00:40:19.000 Well, it's like, that doesn't happen to the Democrats, right?

00:40:22.000 It's not just anecdotal.

00:40:22.000 We've seen the data on this with many different conservative candidates.

00:40:27.000 It's, uh, it's just banal at this point to say that big tech has its thumb on the scale.

00:40:31.000 Like, yeah, big tech hates conservatives, and we know that.

00:40:33.000 What really got me was, uh, you know, the media.

00:40:36.000 And Carrie and I were running against the media, of course, and they called me an election denier for just talking about how You know, the Hunter Biden censorship, like I think that did more than almost anything else to put Joe Biden in the White House.

00:40:49.000 Oh, well, Blake's denying the 2020 election.

00:40:51.000 And then for Elon to go by Twitter and now subsequent to this 2022 election, of course, but into the Twitter files.

00:40:56.000 And now it's like the sordid details are out there.

00:40:58.000 It is just demonstrable fact that people at Twitter were censoring this information with the sole goal of helping Joe Biden win office.

00:41:07.000 This is just not a conspiracy theory anymore.

00:41:08.000 It's just true.

00:41:09.000 former FBI in Twitter and current FBI outside of Twitter.

00:41:13.000 Yeah, Baker, and yeah, I mean, so it's really bad and we need to disentangle it and look at how hard the media is

00:41:19.000 going after Elon.

00:41:20.000 Elizabeth Warren is going after Elon, right? Deep State.

00:41:23.000 This article by the Daily Mail is worth reading because what you see is agent after agent after

00:41:30.000 agent after agent after agent and you see them named and you see them in so many positions of

00:41:35.000 power but those are the ones that we know about.

00:41:37.000 What about the ones that are undercover?

00:41:39.000 What about the ones that we don't know about?

00:41:41.000 What about the ones that are compromised at high-level positions of power?

00:41:44.000 So there's multiple layers to this, not just overt agents and spies working inside of these big tech social media companies.

00:41:50.000 There's a different layer to this that, again, not only shapes Their companies, but shapes the minds of America, and I could make the argument here throughout the last few years.

00:41:59.000 Overall, social media has been a net negative for the American people.

00:42:03.000 It has led to a mental health crisis.

00:42:04.000 It has led to a lot of debauchery.

00:42:06.000 It has led to the destruction of the family unit.

00:42:08.000 It is leading towards what I believe is the Great Reset, which is essentially just this kind of larger ideas, this larger agenda that is absolutely screwing you over and only empowering the government So, they're using it, it's a psy-op, it's a psychological operation, and you are the target, and you are the victim.

00:42:27.000 If you could say social media is a net negative, and 50 out of 100 was neutral, anything below that becomes negative, how negative do you see it?

00:42:34.000 12%.

00:42:36.000 Wow, so you think it's horrible, I mean that's really, really a bad thing.

00:42:42.000 I'd say 75 bad, 25 good.

00:42:43.000 You think it's bad?

00:42:44.000 There's some good that comes with it, but it's pretty bad.

00:42:47.000 I somewhat disagree.

00:42:48.000 I think it's actually slightly more good than bad.

00:42:52.000 And that's evidenced by, before social media, the intelligence agencies controlled media as it was.

00:42:57.000 I mean, you saw that in the Church Commission, right?

00:42:59.000 The planting of journalists at high-ranking positions in media organizations.

00:43:02.000 With the internet, it created cracks.

00:43:05.000 And then channels like this start to pour through.

00:43:08.000 Other creators, people like Steven Crowder, start to pour through.

00:43:10.000 They can't control every person who posts, though they try, so there is a net positive, in my opinion.

00:43:16.000 It is better than it was before, but overall, when we look at the larger effects, and again, my estimate, again, to answer your question, 12 to about 25 percent.

00:43:24.000 Overall, when we look at how people are affected, especially how children are affected by this, when you see the mental health negative effects, when you see women harming themselves because it's trendy, when you see Just the level of less interactions that people are having, the overall effect, not just politically, but socially, financially, economically, I think the overall negative, it's a negative effect to be honest with you.

00:43:48.000 Politically, there are more voices that people are able to hear, but they're squashing on those independent voices and making sure that they reach less and less people.

00:43:57.000 Well, I think this will be reversed, everything you're saying, as soon as Blake becomes CEO of Twitter, then we're going to see such a massive net positive that the world becomes an instant better place.

00:44:05.000 That's funny, although I was just going to say this is dynamic, too.

00:44:07.000 Wherever you thought it was 75, 25, 50, 50, right now it's dynamic.

00:44:10.000 And I suspect in 20 or 30 years we'll know.

00:44:13.000 Will this internet and social media experience be net, you know, liberatory?

00:44:17.000 Will more people be free and happy because of it?

00:44:19.000 Or will we be living in something like a techno dystopia surveillance state?

00:44:24.000 Look at what's happened to the children.

00:44:26.000 Look at modern-day children.

00:44:27.000 Look at attention deficit disorder.

00:44:30.000 Identity disorder.

00:44:32.000 Look at the use of online adult content by children.

00:44:35.000 Look at those effects that will be with children rewiring their brains right now as we're speaking to have instant gratification, to have their trophies, to have Just glamorizing them living for the world, living for the likes, rather than living for their communities, living for their families, living for a future.

00:44:55.000 They rather have this kind of, you know, selfie image of themselves, glorifying themselves, rather than having an importance on anything else around them.

00:45:04.000 And let's talk about 30 or 40 years.

00:45:06.000 Blake, what do you think about Neuralink?

00:45:09.000 Are you taking the chip?

00:45:10.000 I'm not taking the chip.

00:45:11.000 I'm pretty skeptical.

00:45:13.000 I like Elon as a not I just seems like seems like a Seems like a road you don't want to go down

00:45:13.000 I'm pretty skeptical.

00:45:22.000 Like, hackable, like your brain will get hacked?

00:45:23.000 Yeah.

00:45:24.000 For instance.

00:45:26.000 Just one bad thing, I guess.

00:45:28.000 If you're CEO- Have you heard of Ghost in the Shell?

00:45:32.000 Yeah.

00:45:33.000 So, in this anime, people's brains or eyes can be hacked.

00:45:37.000 You could be walking down the street and then all of a sudden you go blind.

00:45:40.000 It's bad, right?

00:45:42.000 It's bad.

00:45:42.000 When Elon talks about how Neuralink could cure people who have like paralysis or whatever, what people don't seem to understand is that all systems are exploitable, and this could mean as well that they could do bad things to you.

00:45:56.000 It's not just about the things it could fix, it's about the things that it could hurt.

00:45:59.000 They could make you feel, like depending on the sophistication of a Neuralink chip in your brain, if it can cure depression, it could make you depressed.

00:46:06.000 So you think about how bad it could get, It gets scary bad.

00:46:10.000 Yeah, I mean, look at the number of children having, you know, a gender dysphoria.

00:46:15.000 That's been going up as well.

00:46:16.000 That number is only going to be going up from here.

00:46:18.000 What if it could help people feel good about who they are?

00:46:21.000 It could.

00:46:22.000 And it could do really horrifying things where they put you in a prison camp, tell you to execute the innocent children, and then you're like, I can't do it.

00:46:29.000 Then they click a button on their iPad, you go, ooh, this feels You know, I think like social media is not bad or good, but it's powerful.

00:46:35.000 If it's used for evil, that's powerful evil.

00:46:37.000 And the Neuralink's like an acceleration of that neutrality.

00:46:41.000 Ian, you shouldn't be chasing what feels good.

00:46:43.000 You should be chasing, you know, hard work, dedication, building something, growing something, sacrificing something in order to have something outside of yourself.

00:46:53.000 A lot of problems with our society comes down to, I need instant gratification, I need instant likes, I need instant attention right now.

00:47:00.000 That's the root to a lot of our problems.

00:47:02.000 But like, some people are in physical pain.

00:47:03.000 And that's the psychological trick that they play on us in order to have us engaged in these kind of larger black mirror devices. 0.59

00:47:10.000 I gotta give a shout out to Andrew Tate.

00:47:13.000 Andrew Tate?

00:47:13.000 That's the guy, right?

00:47:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:15.000 Cobra Tate!

00:47:16.000 Cobra Tate, he's got a video where he said, I just saw this viral clip, he's like, my happiness is irrelevant.

00:47:21.000 When I wake up, whether or not I'm happy or not happy, it doesn't matter.

00:47:25.000 I have to do the exact same thing.

00:47:27.000 And I'm like, yeah, he's absolutely right.

00:47:29.000 Dude, he's so humble.

00:47:30.000 He comes off so aggressive and like, um, like I guess hubristic.

00:47:35.000 He even says that about himself, but he was just doing an interview where he was like, dude, I've been a pawn on the game for so many years.

00:47:40.000 My coach would say run, I would run.

00:47:41.000 I would do exactly what I was told for years of my life.

00:47:45.000 Up at 4am, run 7 miles, I run 7 miles.

00:47:47.000 I do exactly what my dad tells me.

00:47:49.000 Now he's in a position where he can be himself and he is the king of his environment.

00:47:54.000 Just to bring it back to the conversation we were having, his point is that your happiness doesn't matter, you have responsibilities.

00:48:00.000 And so with the internet, Instant gratification with things like Neuralink that can make you feel better.

00:48:05.000 These are shortcuts that ultimately, in my opinion, will actually lead to you being miserable.

00:48:09.000 And so if you think about where Neuralink gets you, you've got right now like the body, the fat acceptance movement, the body positivity stuff.

00:48:15.000 These are people who are suffering.

00:48:17.000 These are people who are more likely to experience cancer and other health impacts due to their weight being told to accept it and be happy with who they are, but it's causing them damage in the long term.

00:48:30.000 You put a Neuralink chip in someone's brain and then they're unhappy about something?

00:48:34.000 So you click the button and then all of a sudden they're happy?

00:48:36.000 They're not going to solve their problem.

00:48:38.000 I'll put it this way.

00:48:39.000 Pain is a good thing.

00:48:41.000 If you can't feel pain, people think like, wow, there are people out there who can't experience pain.

00:48:46.000 They can't.

00:48:47.000 And so a lot of people say, you're so lucky.

00:48:49.000 And they go, no, I'm not.

00:48:50.000 I could bite my tongue off.

00:48:52.000 I stepped on a nail once and didn't realize it.

00:48:54.000 Many of these people can't sweat because their body can't differentiate between temperature.

00:48:59.000 Not being able to feel pain is a bad thing.

00:49:00.000 We don't like pain.

00:49:01.000 But it's an important thing that when you feel it, you can correct whatever the problem being caused is. 0.97

00:49:01.000 Pain sucks. 0.97

00:49:06.000 If you can't feel Upset anymore because the chip is just correcting the 0.98

00:49:10.000 problem. You're gonna become lazy You're gonna have no goals

00:49:13.000 You're gonna be laying around and you're just gonna be a fat blob lying on the floor clicking the button to feel

00:49:18.000 good like don't Throw that Excel man brave new world or rather did exactly

00:49:22.000 you know the unwillingness to feel pain right people that are the

00:49:25.000 inability to Two people think that's oh, that's a gift. That's a gift.

00:49:29.000 That's just a Midas touch like this is just biblical You know be careful what you wish for the Midas touches 0.73

00:49:33.000 He wished that anything he touched would turn to gold wouldn't that be nice gold gold gold gold gold and then you

00:49:37.000 give your daughter A hug and then she freezes into a golden statue right oops. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Yeah, so that it sucks It turns out you're the CEO of Twitter hypothetically

00:49:46.000 How would you make the company go profitable? I think there's a path to doing that medium term and long term

00:49:53.000 You know, Twitter is the original short form content.

00:49:55.000 It's really good at it.

00:49:56.000 Now it's sort of being, you know, competed away.

00:49:59.000 TikTok should immediately be banned, of course, right?

00:50:01.000 And Twitter should bring back Vine.

00:50:03.000 So there's things to do.

00:50:04.000 But I think Twitter needs to fill its feeds with longer form products.

00:50:07.000 Like, I think Twitter needs to buy Substack.

00:50:08.000 It should have built Substack. 0.89

00:50:10.000 Substack should never be an independent business.

00:50:11.000 Like, obviously, all these people posting on Twitter should be able to monetize newsletters right from the platform.

00:50:16.000 And I don't mean just the review feature that they had.

00:50:18.000 It just was that was kind of bolt on.

00:50:19.000 Wow, you should be the CEO.

00:50:21.000 And and like, OK, so so video, right? 0.99

00:50:25.000 Twitter sucks as a video platform.

00:50:27.000 And yet YouTube has no inherent social sort of viral social network like Twitter does. 0.98

00:50:31.000 Right.

00:50:32.000 So, like, I think I think YouTube is very lucky that no one at Twitter for the past five years has cared about video.

00:50:37.000 Yeah, I think I just want to make another point here because there's a lot of different things that we could we could actually do here.

00:50:42.000 I've been thinking about this as well.

00:50:43.000 One, we have super chats on YouTube.

00:50:45.000 Why can't you have super chats on Twitter allow your comments and replies to be voted just like mines does mine

00:50:50.000 does it does an?

00:50:51.000 Incredible things what is it called the in super super mines people are able to?

00:50:54.000 Put in a super chat if you answer it you get that money that people were given to you

00:51:00.000 That's a great thing that mines developed another thing that I would recommend Twitter to do is to

00:51:04.000 Essentially allow the platform to run on its own without any kind of major money

00:51:08.000 Decentralize it let people host their own servers let people use the platform in their own way

00:51:13.000 So then even if you don't have any money the platform still lives on and people get to host their content and get to

00:51:18.000 communicate with people and also

00:51:20.000 Be able to share their content elsewhere and move it around with their history of what they posted.

00:51:26.000 I think those two ideas, along with your idea, would be amazing.

00:51:28.000 Videos?

00:51:29.000 Long overdue.

00:51:30.000 Monetize those videos.

00:51:31.000 Have people... I mean, when we had Periscope on YouTube, this was... I'm sorry, Periscope on Twitter.

00:51:36.000 This was a way that engaged so many different people, and then Twitter took it down because people were dominating it that they didn't like the political ideas!

00:51:44.000 So, these are just some ideas that I have off the top of my head that I think Elon should listen to.

00:51:50.000 Sounds good.

00:51:51.000 Some people recommended that.

00:51:52.000 You take it.

00:51:52.000 I don't want the responsibility.

00:51:54.000 Get that hot potato out of here. 1.00

00:51:56.000 One problem with videos is the cost of the servers, at least is what I'm told, and it is a big deal.

00:52:01.000 So we tried to decentralize it at Mines, like BitChute, but it was so slow and grainy trying to pull it from all these other people.

00:52:09.000 I don't know much about decentralizing video feeds.

00:52:12.000 Not technically, although it's probably going to only get better and better, right?

00:52:15.000 And I would look to add things that people want to pay for, right?

00:52:18.000 Like Twitter needs, it's woefully dependent on advertising.

00:52:21.000 I'm not saying advertising goes away, but it needs to certainly have new revenue streams where creators are getting paid for their content.

00:52:29.000 I'm paying $8 a month for Twitter Blue.

00:52:29.000 You know what I realized?

00:52:31.000 I am so happy to do that right now.

00:52:33.000 I pay $40 a year or something on Mines to have the upgraded Mines... I'm not sure what it's called exactly.

00:52:39.000 Sorry, Bill.

00:52:39.000 Mines Pro?

00:52:40.000 Mines Pro.

00:52:41.000 To be on Mines Pro.

00:52:42.000 And it's like having a Netflix... I don't have a Netflix account.

00:52:44.000 I don't watch Disney.

00:52:44.000 I don't have those accounts.

00:52:45.000 I pay for the social networks that I love.

00:52:47.000 That's where I like to... I would pay $15 a month on Twitter.

00:52:50.000 For sure.

00:52:51.000 For all those benefits.

00:52:52.000 To be able to post long videos.

00:52:53.000 To be able to make you a video.

00:52:54.000 Like, at tag Elon Musk.

00:52:56.000 Hey, man.

00:52:57.000 What's happening, bro?

00:53:00.000 Totally.

00:53:03.000 Twitter's made it really hard over the past few years for people to actually make a business on Twitter.

00:53:07.000 Yeah.

00:53:08.000 Which is really weird.

00:53:09.000 YouTube's done much better in this front.

00:53:10.000 Did you see they blocked link sharing recently and kind of backpedaled on it?

00:53:13.000 Link sharing?

00:53:14.000 There was like, you can't link to your whatever other social media page.

00:53:19.000 Which actually, YouTube does the same thing.

00:53:21.000 I believe Twitch does the same thing.

00:53:22.000 I believe Facebook.

00:53:23.000 Facebook blocked Mines.

00:53:24.000 Do they still block Mines?

00:53:25.000 Dude, Microsoft blocks Mines.

00:53:27.000 It's very weird.

00:53:28.000 I don't know if Facebook still does.

00:53:29.000 Elon announces this new policy where it's like, you can't use Twitter to just promote other platforms and everyone loses their mind.

00:53:35.000 And it's like, YouTube's always had that rule.

00:53:37.000 So if you made a video like, subscribe to my Twitter account, and that was the title of the video, they'd- Yeah, they'd nuke you.

00:53:42.000 So, here's what I'm saying.

00:53:43.000 I think they mentioned paid DMs.

00:53:45.000 I got a lot of people who hate me.

00:53:47.000 And they'll pay a lot of money to say nasty things to me, and I will take their money. 1.00

00:53:51.000 So a hundred bucks, I will set my paid DMs at a hundred dollars, and then all the people who hate me can say all the nasty things in the world, and I will monetize that.

00:53:59.000 And you have to respond.

00:54:01.000 And then Twitter gets a small cut of it.

00:54:02.000 Well, I don't know about responding.

00:54:04.000 Just fill up my mailbox.

00:54:05.000 Well, I mean, like... Well, people could do that now, right?

00:54:07.000 No, they can't DM me.

00:54:08.000 I've closed DMs. 0.92

00:54:09.000 So, if he made paid direct messaging, I would say, okay, you want to direct message me, and I don't follow you, a hundred bucks, you know, and then you can send me whatever nasty garbage you want, and you've got to pay me to do it. 0.75

00:54:09.000 Okay. 0.75

00:54:20.000 Monetize the hate.

00:54:22.000 But you don't have to read it?

00:54:22.000 You've got to read it to get the money?

00:54:24.000 You've got to open the email?

00:54:25.000 That's what I said, right?

00:54:26.000 I accept.

00:54:28.000 I will read the comment of someone saying, you know, Pym Tool is a bald fool or something like that if it's a hundred bucks. 0.98

00:54:34.000 Totally worth it. 0.97

00:54:35.000 I brought this up before earlier.

00:54:36.000 Reverse OnlyFans.

00:54:37.000 Like a crypto token at Twitter.

00:54:39.000 Mines has a Mines token that's a utility token that functions on the network.

00:54:42.000 You can put a token into the network to get a thousand views of publicity.

00:54:45.000 Then you can buy the tokens.

00:54:47.000 But I know, like you were saying earlier, like SEC violations you've got to watch out for.

00:54:50.000 Like Library got raked for SEC violations.

00:54:53.000 I don't know the exact.

00:54:54.000 I don't know either.

00:54:56.000 The risk with the FEC is if they don't like your politics, well hey, that token is a security.

00:55:00.000 And that's just arbitrary?

00:55:02.000 Elizabeth Warren could come up with some justification for why yours is different, but like the justification is she hates you and wants you crashed. 1.00

00:55:08.000 Yeah, if all it does is get you publicity on the network that it's sold on, um, and then maybe used for fun cosmetic stuff on the network, I just don't see any security involved in that.

00:55:17.000 It's all utility at that point.

00:55:20.000 I think you're right.

00:55:21.000 But they'll argue it anyway.

00:55:22.000 Yeah, if you want to be on the other side of the FEC enforcement action.

00:55:26.000 Because I think that could take the company very profitable, or at least very, very, very profitable.

00:55:31.000 I mean, obviously what would happen is the Twitter token would become super valuable and it would become traded on Binance and stuff, and then they might say, hey.

00:55:36.000 Then it's a security congratulation.

00:55:37.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:55:38.000 Yeah, punished with your own success.

00:55:39.000 It's interesting, though, to think how much they could raise if they did that.

00:55:43.000 And that's just the IPO or the ICO.

00:55:45.000 You're talking about initial coin offering they could raise money for.

00:55:47.000 I think then that might be a security, because mines didn't do an ICO.

00:55:50.000 That's a big part of it.

00:55:51.000 That's right.

00:55:51.000 They just make tokens and then sell them, and then you use them on the network.

00:55:55.000 There's no public investment.

00:55:58.000 The investment is you buy the token.

00:56:00.000 What do you think of the future, man?

00:56:02.000 You feeling optimistic?

00:56:06.000 Not by default, but I'm not not a doomer either.

00:56:08.000 You know I really think it's contention it matters what we do and And why wouldn't it like human agency is really important if you're up if you're too optimistic and like all things will just work out well You're probably not gonna work as hard and making that happen, and then if you're just fatalistic.

00:56:21.000 Oh, man. 0.96

00:56:21.000 It sucks Oh, I just lost my election that sucks everything's doomed. 0.96

00:56:24.000 No somehow that doesn't feel quite right either. 0.99

00:56:26.000 It's like I It's scary, but we've got to work hard.

00:56:28.000 Your mindset and positivity does matter when it comes to your overall productivity and what you're able to do in life, but at the same time, you've got to be realistic with all the problems.

00:56:35.000 And I totally agree with you.

00:56:37.000 You've got to have a balance between the two and have a certain level of basis in reality, but also some optimism on top of that.

00:56:45.000 You know what gave me a lot of optimism was the judge granting Carey Lake's trial.

00:56:51.000 I mean, because everything we've seen in the past has been dismissed, dismissed, dismissed.

00:56:54.000 These judges have been weak and just, I don't want to deal with it.

00:56:57.000 I'm not saying this judge is going to do the right thing in terms of, well, I'm not going to say the judge is going to give us what we want, but the fact the trial happened at all, I think was a major step forward in terms of confidence.

00:57:08.000 So I'm feeling good.

00:57:10.000 I think the night is always darkest before the dawn.

00:57:11.000 I think what we're seeing with James Lindsay, you know, the things he's calling out and exposing with continued success, his growing prominence, calling out the grimmer phenomenon.

00:57:22.000 And I think Elon Musk buying Twitter, it's kind of like it's never been better, to be completely honest.

00:57:26.000 It's true.

00:57:27.000 That didn't have to happen.

00:57:28.000 Yeah.

00:57:28.000 And if he didn't do that, we never would have got the Twitter files.

00:57:30.000 Who knows what the coming installments will be?

00:57:32.000 And look, I have tremendous faith in the inherent goodness and I guess just common sensical

00:57:39.000 nature of the American people and most people worldwide.

00:57:42.000 And we have a political establishment, I think left and right, that is corrupt and doesn't

00:57:46.000 work.

00:57:47.000 And those things don't go together.

00:57:48.000 So how long is the pendulum?

00:57:49.000 I don't know.

00:57:50.000 Hopefully things don't have to get that much worse before they get better.

00:57:52.000 But I do think, yeah, they'll get better.

00:57:54.000 And we've seen this ebb and flow in human history, right?

00:57:56.000 But we've got to work hard to tighten up that, what's the technical term for the length of

00:58:00.000 pendulum. I don't know.

00:58:01.000 Whatever it is.

00:58:02.000 Let's make it short.

00:58:03.000 The diameter?

00:58:04.000 But I think it is getting better.

00:58:05.000 I think we're on the backswing.

00:58:07.000 It's starting to come back.

00:58:08.000 I hope so.

00:58:09.000 I think with conservatives starting to recognize the power of ballot harvesting and ballot chasing, I think 2024 is going to be a game changer.

00:58:17.000 It's like you were saying, it's about raw numbers.

00:58:19.000 They're going after the raw numbers.

00:58:21.000 It's not about the messaging for Democrats about the raw numbers.

00:58:24.000 For Republicans, it's going to be both.

00:58:26.000 Because Republicans, a lot of Republican voters are higher information voters than Democrats.

00:58:30.000 That's why Democrats want 16 year old voters. 0.85

00:58:31.000 They want low information.

00:58:32.000 Well, Democrats will vote for John Fetterman.

00:58:35.000 You know, where some of our voters, God bless them, and we got to work hard to persuade them.

00:58:40.000 But some of them is like, well, I read some bad things about Blaker.

00:58:42.000 I saw this TV commercial.

00:58:44.000 You got to go after that.

00:58:45.000 And it's like, well, I appreciate the individuality in our party, and we have a lot more diversity in our party, actually, in terms of diversity of thought.

00:58:51.000 But the Democrats will vote for Fetterman or anything, or Rock, because it's got a D next to its name, and that's a challenge that we have to overcome.

00:58:59.000 But I think the Republicans just need to target those people.

00:59:01.000 These people who are low-information voters voting Democrat aren't voting Democrat for any good reason, which means Republicans could win those votes.

00:59:08.000 They just aren't trying.

00:59:10.000 Exactly.

00:59:11.000 We need to show up.

00:59:11.000 What do you think about refocusing a message?

00:59:13.000 We've talked about this before, too, like graphene or some sort of industrialization message of making the United States an industrial superpower.

00:59:20.000 Just a real quick preface.

00:59:21.000 I think the point of the conversation is that messaging is immaterial, but again, your thoughts?

00:59:26.000 I think it matters, though.

00:59:28.000 And while we're working hard to go in a legal way, of course, harvest ballots, collect ballots, I think interesting messaging does matter.

00:59:36.000 For one, why aren't we focusing more on nuclear power?

00:59:40.000 You know, I only had so many campaign dollars, and we had to talk about border and inflation, and those are the top two issues.

00:59:47.000 But every, you know, stump speech, I'd try to find a way to work in nuclear power.

00:59:50.000 It's like, this isn't even new technology.

00:59:52.000 It's like old technology that, for bizarre reasons, countries like Germany have decommissioned, right?

00:59:57.000 We have about 50 nuclear power plants in the United States, nowhere near enough.

01:00:02.000 Most of them are decades old.

01:00:03.000 And so, if you care about climate change, if you care about, you know, Carbon-free energy generation.

01:00:09.000 Why are we not going all in on nuclear?

01:00:11.000 And when I would mention nuclear power, it was actually somewhat of an unexpected applause line in some very right-wing Republican rooms.

01:00:18.000 Like, obviously not going to get rid of oil and gas.

01:00:20.000 We need to be drilling.

01:00:21.000 We need to be fracking.

01:00:21.000 It's like all of above kind of approach is appropriate for the next few decades.

01:00:26.000 But man, 50 years from now?

01:00:27.000 80% of our power should be generated from nukes.

01:00:31.000 At least if the path we're going, we'll probably have new technology like vacuum vibrational things and fusion power, which is a, they call it nuclear.

01:00:38.000 It's a completely different technology than fission.

01:00:40.000 So there, you can't really call them both nuclear.

01:00:42.000 It's a misnomer.

01:00:42.000 We got to lean into innovation.

01:00:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:44.000 As the broader point, it's like we should be agnostic about what it is, but like what it isn't is, you know, some dumb subsidy for some wind thing that is not even going to work.

01:00:51.000 I think what's happening, you remember in Texas two years ago, or was it last year, the deep freeze that ruined all these wind power, these windmills, or whatever they're called, wind generators, and we're headed in a few days for another deep freeze in Texas, I'm told.

01:01:04.000 This is terrifying.

01:01:05.000 People died, people froze to death in their houses because they had shut down coal plants leading up to this.

01:01:10.000 And I think that's why people are like, yes, nuclear, yes, heat, yes, because it gets cold.

01:01:14.000 If it goes down to 45 degrees in your house, then nothing really matters other than some heat.

01:01:18.000 That's right.

01:01:19.000 I think I think Americans would be here for whether it's a new party, if you could somehow bootstrap that into existence or a Republican Party that was like, hey, we're the party of competence.

01:01:27.000 We're the party of technology.

01:01:28.000 We're the party of families.

01:01:30.000 We're the party of sane trade deals.

01:01:32.000 And, you know, the party that doesn't want to get into wars halfway around the world.

01:01:35.000 I think people would be into that.

01:01:36.000 I think it's like, we need charisma, too.

01:01:38.000 Like, I used to think, I was telling you earlier, like, I was like, or I didn't actually mention, you were saying you were a Republican, we were younger.

01:01:42.000 I was like a Democrat when I was younger.

01:01:44.000 I like, I went after charisma.

01:01:45.000 I was always drawn to, like, Bill Clinton, because he was fun.

01:01:47.000 Did you like Howard Dean?

01:01:48.000 No, no.

01:01:49.000 Was that the guy that was like, yee-haw!

01:01:51.000 Yeah, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama.

01:01:53.000 I like the dudes that could make you feel good.

01:01:55.000 And it's only later I'm realizing, like, oh, I've been snowed this whole time, man.

01:01:58.000 They were making me feel good to get me, to get me to pay my dollar.

01:02:01.000 So, but I do think we need to introduce charisma.

01:02:03.000 But the thing is, like, Luke, you were saying, don't vote for political parties.

01:02:06.000 I don't care about the party.

01:02:07.000 I don't.

01:02:08.000 I thought in 2007, we don't need parties anymore, man.

01:02:10.000 We just need someone that's willing to step up and do the work.

01:02:12.000 You're right, but that, I don't think, um, takes into consideration the political reality.

01:02:18.000 That there are a lot of people who won't vote outside of the two-party system out of fear of not winning.

01:02:22.000 And that has a substantial impact.

01:02:25.000 The Libertarian Party does a great job of getting a lot of people of principle to vote for the Libertarian Party, but they don't move the needle.

01:02:32.000 What do you think, did you just do it enough?

01:02:33.000 And how did Abe Lincoln win?

01:02:35.000 Look, look, the MAGA party is not the same as the Republicans, and that's why there's a Republican Civil War, at least what the media calls it.

01:02:40.000 The reason why I think the establishment didn't support you is because you're, you know, Blake, you're more libertarian, you're outside the Republican Party in a literal, in an intangible sense.

01:02:53.000 Like, quite literally, you're a Republican, but as far as the establishment Republicans are concerned, the MAGA Republicans are a different party and they're an insurgent group coming in.

01:03:01.000 That's right.

01:03:02.000 And we're going to get an interesting, I guess, case study here.

01:03:05.000 Kirsten Sinema, right, the other Democrat senator from Arizona, just announced, I think a week or two ago, she's going to be an independent.

01:03:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:11.000 I think probably because she read the polls and realized with her voting record, it'd be impossible for her to win a Democratic primary.

01:03:17.000 So now she's daring the Democrat establishment to run a Dem against her. 1.00

01:03:21.000 I thought that was awesome.

01:03:21.000 She forced the Democrats to keep her on as their candidate.

01:03:24.000 When Sinema said she was an independent, they immediately knew they could not run anyone else and they can't primary her.

01:03:30.000 They have no choice but to get behind her.

01:03:31.000 Well, we'll see if they have that kind of discipline.

01:03:33.000 He should have went independent in 2016.

01:03:34.000 He forced the Democrats to keep her on as their candidate.

01:03:38.000 When Sinema said she was an independent, they immediately knew they could not run anyone

01:03:42.000 else and they can't primary her. 0.98

01:03:44.000 They have no choice but to get behind her.

01:03:45.000 Well, we'll see if they have that kind of discipline.

01:03:47.000 I think Schumer wants the situation you outlined, but this other congressman, Ruben Gallego,

01:03:51.000 sort of communist guy from Phoenix, he really wants to get in.

01:03:55.000 And I hope he does, right?

01:03:56.000 And then, you know, grab the popcorn.

01:03:59.000 Are you going to run again?

01:04:01.000 If Gallego gets in, then that gives me a lot to think about.

01:04:03.000 Because in the three-way race, I will win or I would beat Gallego one-on-one.

01:04:07.000 When would that be?

01:04:08.000 Like four years or what?

01:04:11.000 No, 2024.

01:04:11.000 2024?

01:04:11.000 Yeah.

01:04:12.000 Cinema's up in 2024.

01:04:14.000 And so you could run for person?

01:04:15.000 Yeah, but the Dems might actually have enough discipline to keep a Dem out.

01:04:18.000 I think you should run anyway.

01:04:20.000 Hey, there you go.

01:04:21.000 She's tough to beat. 1.00

01:04:22.000 Mark Kelly was tough to beat, though.

01:04:23.000 Right.

01:04:23.000 And I think, you know, some people say, oh, Blake, you lost by five.

01:04:26.000 It's like Oz lost by five in Pennsylvania, and he had a way worse opponent and thirty million dollars from Mitch McConnell.

01:04:32.000 Right.

01:04:32.000 So I think in a different year with the, you know, and look, I made some mistakes, too.

01:04:37.000 Like I didn't run a perfect campaign and I've been self-critical about that.

01:04:40.000 And next time I do it, I will tell you this.

01:04:42.000 I will be better and I will win.

01:04:44.000 I live in West Virginia.

01:04:45.000 I instantly like cinema more than Mansion.

01:04:48.000 Because she because she comes out as an independent and Manchin is still playing this ridiculous game of being a Democrat in literal MAGA country. 0.94

01:04:55.000 What's going to happen there?

01:04:56.000 I feel like he's now he's underwater, right?

01:04:58.000 I think he's going to is he just going to switch?

01:05:00.000 I think he's going to switch to being a Republican.

01:05:01.000 He was asked and he said, you know, something like, we'll wait till later to talk about it or something like that, which made everyone immediately be like, OK, he's Manchin's going to switch.

01:05:10.000 This is I think West Virginia is like 86 percent Trump supporting.

01:05:13.000 Yeah.

01:05:13.000 You know, every county, I think, in 2020.

01:05:15.000 Yeah.

01:05:16.000 Absurdly high.

01:05:18.000 You know, I where where I live in West Virginia, it's right wing nut jobs who believe every single conspiracy theory you can think of.

01:05:24.000 I mean, these are people who are Trump, Trump, Trump.

01:05:28.000 Hands down.

01:05:29.000 And then you say mansion, and they go, ugh.

01:05:31.000 Like, he's supposed to be on our side.

01:05:34.000 And it's not even about the name of the party.

01:05:36.000 They feel like he's not representing them properly.

01:05:39.000 Nutjob's a term of endearment, by the way.

01:05:40.000 It is, yeah.

01:05:41.000 Like, when you go to West Virginia, and you say, I love living on a mountain full of right-wing nutjobs, they all laugh and smile.

01:05:48.000 Because it's like, it's taking the word back, you know what I mean?

01:05:51.000 They say if you're sane in an insane world, you're actually... 0.96

01:05:55.000 You look insane. 1.00

01:05:56.000 You look like a nutjob. 1.00

01:05:57.000 We had a break-in recently. 1.00

01:05:59.000 I think it was Targeted.

01:06:01.000 But I tweeted, I was like, you gotta be insane to break into a house in West Virginia, especially if it's like a political thing.

01:06:06.000 And I was like, just imagine breaking into a house, and there's some right-wing nutjob with a Barrett M82 pointed at you yelling, yeehaw.

01:06:12.000 And like, all the people out here are laughing at the idea, because they love it.

01:06:16.000 They love it.

01:06:16.000 They're like, that's us!

01:06:18.000 You know, don't come a-knockin' if you don't want to see what's on the other side.

01:06:20.000 Do you think, Blake, do you think the solution to I don't know, what is your end goal, really, with the United States, or in your lifetime?

01:06:28.000 How would you like to see the United States develop?

01:06:32.000 I think one litmus test for, are we on the right track?

01:06:35.000 Is politics boring again?

01:06:36.000 Like, I think politics should be boring.

01:06:38.000 It shouldn't be what people are investing all their time and emotional energy into.

01:06:41.000 I would like a campaign on the slogan.

01:06:43.000 To me, it's more than a slogan, but it is, I think, a good political slogan.

01:06:46.000 In America, you should be able to raise a family on one single income.

01:06:49.000 I think if we got back to an economy where you can actually do that, maybe it's really hard in a globalizing world, but man, if you could just, if young people had economic opportunity and were, you know, on that choosing to get married and have kids in their 20s and were able to buy and afford homes and people didn't have to be obsessed with politics, right?

01:07:05.000 We weren't at each other's throats all the time.

01:07:06.000 I think that would be really healthy.

01:07:07.000 Do you see politics as pop culture right now?

01:07:10.000 Yeah, that's really messed up.

01:07:11.000 Yeah, it's really messed up.

01:07:13.000 What was his name?

01:07:14.000 Schumer was dancing with Stephen Colbert.

01:07:16.000 Did you see that video?

01:07:17.000 Unfortunately, I did see that.

01:07:18.000 I'd forgotten about it.

01:07:20.000 You said earlier, it's a worldwide movement.

01:07:23.000 I think you mentioned that earlier, but I've sensed worldwide that humans want freedom.

01:07:27.000 The First Amendment of the United States Constitution is one of the most...

01:07:30.000 Inspirational governmental actions ever taken on earth, and I feel like we have so many people from Australia that watch the show and England and all these great countries that Unfortunately get can get arrested for standing outside of someone's house And I hope that maybe that there I kind of see like a United States of Earth where we have like state rights still But we just are have like a form of kind of a sort of unified government.

01:07:53.000 I don't know if that's too pious globalist In a way.

01:07:57.000 I mean, I like, I think inevitably we're globalizing.

01:07:59.000 I just want it to be done right.

01:08:00.000 I want it to be done so that we maintain our bill of rights.

01:08:02.000 Like a republic, where the United States has sovereign borders, where we control our own government, but there is some kind of legislative system externally that can't interfere internally with the nation, but can help prevent wars.

01:08:14.000 Yeah, and even Ohio still has its sovereign borders, and every state still has its own rights, like Alberta, for instance.

01:08:19.000 I think there's an Alberta secession movement right now.

01:08:21.000 Alberta becomes a state of the United States of Earth, and then We just keep growing from there.

01:08:27.000 And then everyone lives under the Constitution?

01:08:29.000 Yeah, but the Constitution's malleable, but yes.

01:08:31.000 Yeah, I think the Bill of Rights for sure.

01:08:33.000 I think it's a good idea.

01:08:34.000 Maybe in order to get to that point, you know, some people will have to be made to understand.

01:08:39.000 So perhaps we could, like, put together a group of people with perhaps weapons that could go in and tell these people they now live under our way of life.

01:08:47.000 And we would call it, like, a liberation.

01:08:50.000 We would send out liberation forces to other...

01:08:53.000 Sounds horribly communist.

01:08:54.000 It all goes back to Woodrow Wilson, right?

01:08:57.000 The League of Nations.

01:08:58.000 Exactly.

01:08:59.000 And now it's the UN.

01:08:59.000 And let's just have a layer on top that will help it.

01:09:02.000 And it's like, well, the danger is that, you know, that layer becomes incredibly bureaucratic and powerful and it gets more power for itself.

01:09:08.000 And pretty soon, I think this is where the century is trending, if we don't resist it, you get a one world totalitarian government.

01:09:15.000 I like the idea of like China wants to build its version and China wants everyone to be Chinese in a hundred years. 0.84

01:09:19.000 And we actually, nope, we've never figured out a way to do that in a safe way.

01:09:24.000 And I think we should look towards decentralization.

01:09:26.000 Absolutely.

01:09:27.000 Decentralization is the key word here that a lot of people need to focus on more than ever, as there are a lot of American Western elites financing China, setting up policies in the United States that allow China to take over the world.

01:09:38.000 That allow China to gobble up all the resources that ... allow them to pollute as much as they can and then ... everyone else is supposed to be under these climate ... regulations these these these echo you know fascist kind of ... policies that limit people's ability to have energy that's ... absolutely it's absolutely crazy what's happening in this ... ever-globalizing world but but how is it going to change I ... don't know that's that's just a very hard question to ask ... but I also wanted to kind of talk about Peter Thiel a ...

01:10:05.000 You were closely associated with him.

01:10:06.000 I don't know if you still are.

01:10:08.000 He's kind of a libertarian.

01:10:09.000 Some people call him more of an internationalist.

01:10:11.000 How would you kind of peg his political understanding and what's kind of his response to everything that's happening right now?

01:10:17.000 I mean, the New York Times calls Peter and me far-right nationalists.

01:10:21.000 You know, so it's like, are you an internationalist?

01:10:23.000 Are you a far-right nationalist?

01:10:24.000 You know, those are kind of incompatible.

01:10:26.000 Are you a libertarian or are you an authoritarian, right?

01:10:28.000 So it's so hopelessly confused.

01:10:29.000 I think Peter, like me, started very libertarian and, you know, to the extent we play in electoral politics, it's Republican, conservative.

01:10:37.000 But I think, you know, you can't really reduce him to labels like that.

01:10:41.000 Like he's...

01:10:43.000 Actually kind of an independent thinker.

01:10:44.000 Imagine that, right?

01:10:45.000 You can't just... We don't have that now.

01:10:48.000 Increasingly we don't.

01:10:49.000 That's really dangerous.

01:10:50.000 And one problem in electoral politics that I've seen is, man, you're supposed to really stay on script.

01:10:54.000 And if, you know, and sometimes I didn't and I paid for that, you know, and it was kind of conventionally speaking, it was a mistake.

01:11:00.000 But the problem in modern politics is you're not allowed to be wrong.

01:11:03.000 Ever.

01:11:03.000 Because if there's two seconds of video where you say something wrong, maybe you're exploring an idea, right?

01:11:08.000 But if that's wrong, and if it's cuttable and pasteable into an attack ad that Mark Kelly and the Democrat machine puts $30 million behind, well, that's a problem for you.

01:11:17.000 But if you're never allowed to be wrong, then you're never allowed to think, which is why so many politicians feel like wind-up dolls, right?

01:11:22.000 Robots that just say the thing that the consultants wrote, and that's safe.

01:11:26.000 And then, like, what kind of politics does that produce?

01:11:27.000 The kind of politics we've had, and it fails people.

01:11:30.000 Outside of the tremendous amount of money he made for the social ramifications, do you think Peter Thiel has concerns about funding Facebook or regrets?

01:11:40.000 Or PayPal.

01:11:41.000 Yeah, PayPal especially.

01:11:42.000 Well, I think it is probably really sad to see.

01:11:44.000 I mean, because PayPal, he hasn't been involved in since 2001, I think.

01:11:48.000 2002, they sold it to eBay.

01:11:49.000 And to see it become, I mean, A, this extremely profitable business, right?

01:11:53.000 That's probably nice.

01:11:54.000 But to see it become this woke, horrible... I mean, PayPal's one of the worst, and I know Peter agrees with that.

01:11:59.000 So that's gotta be hard to create this thing and it's your baby and then all of a sudden

01:12:02.000 it's ruined by...

01:12:03.000 It's like watching your kid go to college and come back with a shaved head and pink

01:12:06.000 eyebrows. 0.97

01:12:07.000 Telling you how racist and bigoted you are dad. 0.99

01:12:09.000 Right. 1.00

01:12:10.000 Spitting on you and hating you. 1.00

01:12:11.000 So that's gotta be horrible. 0.97

01:12:12.000 I mean Facebook was a really good investment in 2004.

01:12:14.000 He, you know, it was a good investment.

01:12:18.000 And then he sort of rode the wave and saw it become like this really charismatic company.

01:12:21.000 2008, 2012, Facebook was going to take over the world.

01:12:25.000 2014, right when we wrote this book about zero to one monopolies, kind of warning people, hey, monopolies can be good.

01:12:30.000 You know, they can also be really, really bad.

01:12:33.000 I think Facebook has been net very destructive for the past five or six years.

01:12:38.000 And ultimately Peter hopped off the board, right?

01:12:40.000 So it's this whole life cycle.

01:12:41.000 I think starting in around 2008.

01:12:43.000 Facebook started getting really, really, really bad.

01:12:45.000 It was the beginning of the algorithmic newsfeed when people started having too many friends and liking too many pages.

01:12:52.000 And so the feed was just moving too quickly.

01:12:54.000 I could be wrong, but my understanding is Facebook decided to implement an algorithm where it would feed you more of what they thought you would like to see to keep you on the platform for longer.

01:13:03.000 The echo chamber confirmation bias.

01:13:04.000 Exactly.

01:13:04.000 Then you see the transformation of the BuzzFeeds, the Huffington Posts.

01:13:08.000 They started adhering and molding themselves to the algorithm.

01:13:12.000 And the best example of this is Mike.com, which when it started was pro-Ron Paul, but quickly realized the algorithm favored wokeness.

01:13:22.000 And it's a really, really simple mathematical equation, right?

01:13:26.000 In the beginning of the internet, or I hadn't said the beginning, but in the late 2000s, early 2010s, the Ron Paul revolution was in full swing.

01:13:32.000 It was a meme, it was viral, people believed in it.

01:13:35.000 The algorithm starts becoming more prominent.

01:13:37.000 And what happens is rage-inducing content gets more clicks and gets more shares.

01:13:42.000 So police brutality videos start going viral.

01:13:44.000 This contributes to a lot of the libertarian thinking.

01:13:47.000 But then, something happens.

01:13:49.000 If you make a video about racism, it goes viral.

01:13:52.000 You make a video about police brutality, it goes viral.

01:13:54.000 So that's, you know, X views and Y views.

01:13:56.000 But you make a racist police brutality video, now it's XY views. 0.79

01:14:00.000 It is multiplied.

01:14:01.000 It is bigger.

01:14:02.000 All of a sudden you start seeing articles from like Vice where it's like, you know, Gay people, gay trans people of color are the strongest

01:14:11.000 argument in favor of Black Lives Matter to cram all of those words into one article

01:14:16.000 to maximize algorithmic pressure.

01:14:18.000 And you end up with intersectionality and wokeness being amplified, monetized, and profitable.

01:14:23.000 People hijack the really weak artificial or the machine learning algorithms.

01:14:27.000 And then when they went public, Facebook went public, they started charging people monies

01:14:31.000 to get your own followers to see you as part of this algorithmic boost.

01:14:35.000 I remember in 2011, we were working with minds and this Facebook group called Exposing the Truth,

01:14:41.000 which was hugely popular.

01:14:42.000 And then as soon as they went public, man, no views.

01:14:45.000 And everything was pay-per-view.

01:14:48.000 What happened when Facebook went public?

01:14:49.000 We had Vivek Ramaswamy on the other night, and he was saying they were expected to have like a $55 public offering when they go public.

01:14:56.000 Stock's supposed to be $55.

01:14:57.000 And then he said it was like a wealth distribution thing, like intentionally they... Well, I think the point of the conversation was maybe that was the exit for, you know, intelligence or other Nefarious entities that wanted to get their money out of the machine somehow.

01:14:57.000 It came out at like $18.

01:15:12.000 Like they wanted people that were honest brokers to be like, Oh, I'm bailing on this.

01:15:17.000 And then, or just to not buy or something.

01:15:19.000 They were dumping their, their connection to it.

01:15:22.000 Bad time to dump because I mean, Facebook stock exploded in the year subsequent to the IPO.

01:15:27.000 You did not want to sell.

01:15:28.000 I mean, what is it currently?

01:15:30.000 I haven't checked lately, but I want to say 2013, 2014, 2015, that stock did incredibly well.

01:15:36.000 What were you doing with Peter Thiel?

01:15:38.000 I know you're working with him in San Francisco.

01:15:39.000 What was your role?

01:15:40.000 Just managing the family office, you know, always trying to find the next thing to invest in.

01:15:45.000 So his investment company, Thiel Management?

01:15:48.000 And the cool thing about Peter is, while he's, I think, the world's best venture capitalist, or certainly top three, but I think he's the best.

01:15:54.000 He's always, you know, it's like, One minute you're talking about what to invest in, the next minute you're talking about China, and what's going to happen in 30 years, and then peak oil, and what's the deal with that?

01:16:04.000 And then he's just he's really intellectually omnivorous.

01:16:08.000 Is he a peak oil believer? I Have to ask him.

01:16:12.000 I think he would have said yes 10 years ago and now not so much.

01:16:15.000 It's a very contentious idea that I believe I don't actually believe in.

01:16:19.000 But would you say his principles are more aligned with making money or sharing kind of his larger libertarian, more right wing ideas?

01:16:27.000 Because when you have so much power and influence, you're either motivated by let's make all this money or let's promote these principles.

01:16:33.000 He did have, I think, backing of Ron Paul, and then went and supported Donald Trump in the last election.

01:16:40.000 So I was just wondering from your perspective, and if it's too personal, you don't have to ask.

01:16:43.000 No, it's not too personal.

01:16:44.000 I mean, I don't want to speak for him.

01:16:45.000 He'd probably come up with some cut why those were, like, actually, you know, not mutually exclusive, and why they actually compound if you pursue both goals at the same time or something like that.

01:16:53.000 Do you guys define peak oil?

01:16:55.000 What is that?

01:16:56.000 That's a theory that the oil is going to be running out, there's not going to be enough oil, and therefore we need to get off oil immediately.

01:17:05.000 I think it's true, I just think the question is, how much oil?

01:17:10.000 Obviously there's a finite amount, there's a finite earth.

01:17:12.000 So the question is, is there so little oil that we might run out?

01:17:17.000 Or is it that it is finite, but there's so much human could never begin to consume all of it?

01:17:22.000 Yeah, I don't believe it to be true, because a lot of the science is also backed by a lot of the people who are saying, you know, the world's going to end in a few years because of the climate.

01:17:30.000 So we see a lot of the same rhetoric for the same people.

01:17:34.000 It's a decade, it's always a new problem.

01:17:36.000 It's always a new controversy.

01:17:37.000 Yeah, there's an alarmism, right, to it that never quite pays off.

01:17:39.000 pans out. Exactly. The IOC saying the world's gonna end.

01:17:41.000 Yeah, the ocean levels are gonna rise, the ice is going to... and then it was the ozone layer a

01:17:45.000 couple decades before that, and then what was it a couple decades before that? There

01:17:49.000 was always something going on. Global cooling. Global cooling, yeah, global warming. The ozone's

01:17:52.000 not a good argument in my opinion because a bunch of regulations were put in place. Ban CFCs, 1.00

01:17:57.000 the ozone is fine now. Yeah, but the sensationalism... So that actually gives them brownie 1.00

01:18:02.000 points when you make that argument because they're like, oh yeah, we banned the things causing

01:18:05.000 that, we fixed it.

01:18:05.000 So I say, you know, look, it's not one or the other.

01:18:10.000 We had global cooling, now we have global warming, that gives me pause.

01:18:13.000 The ozone layer thing's an entirely different issue.

01:18:15.000 Yes, I'm just talking about the kind of talking points when people are saying the world is going to end every decade.

01:18:21.000 That was one of the talking points, and the parameters of what you described is correct.

01:18:24.000 We just gotta start a new one, we gotta start, like, How about global tremoring?

01:18:29.000 Acid rain is also another big one.

01:18:31.000 Artificial intelligence, that's one.

01:18:32.000 Global tremoring.

01:18:34.000 More earthquakes are going to happen because of... Cracking.

01:18:38.000 Well, that's a real one.

01:18:39.000 That's a real one, too.

01:18:42.000 But I was gonna say, like, the earthquake in San Andreas, the San Andreas Fault's gonna go because, insert human activity here, it's all the humans doing jump rope, jumping up and down, shaking the ground, it's gonna, you know, we gotta stop, no more exercise, stop exercising.

01:18:57.000 A real one is we might get hit by meteors if we just sit around on our hands for the next 300 years.

01:19:01.000 It wiped out previous civilizations.

01:19:04.000 Solar flare.

01:19:06.000 Solar flare is going to wipe out all of our electrical equipment.

01:19:08.000 Hard to tie that one back to human causes, but that's why it's always considered a serious

01:19:14.000 event.

01:19:14.000 It's all of the radio waves.

01:19:16.000 We're messing with them.

01:19:17.000 Yeah, that's bouncing around.

01:19:18.000 I'd submit that the two real ones, one, which is more of a slow boil, is China.

01:19:23.000 I really do think China is an existential threat long term, unfortunately, right? 0.99

01:19:28.000 We're already in some kind of cold war with China, and we need to make sure we win that 1.00

01:19:31.000 so that we never get into a hot war with China.

01:19:33.000 And then speaking of hot war, it's nuclear power, or nuclear war.

01:19:37.000 I still think we're underpricing the risk to having the Russia-Ukraine situation escalate

01:19:42.000 into an all-out nuclear war.

01:19:43.000 Wait, so you oppose giving Zelensky $45 billion?

01:19:46.000 I do.

01:19:47.000 Did you oppose him wearing green army fatigues when he went to the White House?

01:19:51.000 I think that's... He should have worn a suit!

01:19:53.000 Who cares?

01:19:54.000 I don't give a damn.

01:19:55.000 I don't care. 0.79

01:19:55.000 They're giving away, they're gutting this... First of all, I'm gonna just come out and say it, I know guys, I went to the White House, I didn't wear a suit either. 0.79

01:20:02.000 The point is...

01:20:02.000 But that's not the point.

01:20:03.000 I'm not concerned that a dude showed up not wearing a suit.

01:20:05.000 I know a lot of people are talking about the decorum of the White House.

01:20:08.000 I'm like, bro, I'm less concerned about that and more concerned that they unfurl the Ukrainian flag and then say, Mitch McConnell's like, the top priority for America is to support Ukraine.

01:20:18.000 At least that's what Republicans think.

01:20:19.000 It's like, no, that's what you think, dude.

01:20:21.000 Regular people are kind of like, why is gas expensive?

01:20:24.000 When I saw Biden put his hands on Zelensky, I was like, oh, I pictured him thinking and said, hello, presidential puppet.

01:20:31.000 Hello.

01:20:31.000 Thank you.

01:20:32.000 Because he's a puppet.

01:20:33.000 They put him up and they put him in power in 2014 when they forced a revolution in Ukraine.

01:20:37.000 Then they just installed this guy.

01:20:39.000 I know maybe it's not a popular.

01:20:41.000 I will tell you as a candidate for federal office, if you oppose giving unlimited amounts of money to Ukraine, they will call you a Putin puppet.

01:20:48.000 That's right.

01:20:50.000 Like, Putin's bad, the invasion's bad, I condemn it, okay? 1.00

01:20:50.000 How dumb is that? 1.00

01:20:53.000 It's like we should look for ways to get those two countries to the negotiating table and we all want a ceasefire, right? 0.96

01:20:59.000 But remember when Rand Paul just stuck his neck out and said, hi, I can't block this, you know, I forget it was $40 billion at the time, but if we're going to send it, can we at least get an inspector general assigned to it?

01:21:09.000 Can we get a spreadsheet so we know if this money is just being wasted or if it's just being stolen or what?

01:21:14.000 Did you hear Zelensky's wife went on like a shopping spree or something? 0.94

01:21:17.000 Forty grand or something like that.

01:21:18.000 They say if you want to see who our next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.

01:21:21.000 I keep hearing that pop up, and I'm like, wait, so is Ukraine, are the Ukrainian Nazis our next war in six years?

01:21:26.000 With the Azov Battalion? 0.89

01:21:26.000 Yep. 0.89

01:21:28.000 When Russia, assuming, if Russia ends up winning for whatever reason, and then all those weapons are sitting there among pro-Russian factions, and they get armed and then start fighting against us, I wouldn't be surprised.

01:21:37.000 Well, they're not just sitting there.

01:21:39.000 There's also intelligence reports detailing how there's already a very boosterous black market already in Europe right now with

01:21:46.000 many of the advanced US weapons being sold to of course criminal gangs,

01:21:50.000 probably jihadists that now have surface-to-air missiles that could take down

01:21:54.000 airliners and airplanes. So you know when we're just sending weapons down there

01:21:59.000 without any transparency or accountability that that's a recipe for

01:22:04.000 This is the same administration and government that says it's too dangerous for you to have a handgun with so many rounds in it, but they're sending surface-to-air missiles on the black market to Europe right now, which is absolutely mind-boggling.

01:22:16.000 Here's what I think.

01:22:16.000 You know, that $45 billion?

01:22:18.000 I would rather they spend it on a gigantic sign floating in outer space that says, Vladimir Putin is a very bad person.

01:22:28.000 Because at least it's ours, and we're spending it as we choose instead of just giving it away to Ukraine to fund a proxy war.

01:22:33.000 Granted, let's be real, it's not even a proxy war anymore, it's just, it's a NATO conflict with Russia.

01:22:37.000 They were really overt about it.

01:22:38.000 They're like, they are our allies, here's the Ukrainian flag.

01:22:41.000 I don't know if they said ally.

01:22:42.000 What do you, what's your vision of a ceasefire and drawdown of the militants in Ukraine right now?

01:22:49.000 I mean, I think we basically know the contours, right?

01:22:52.000 It's like, I mean, so the problem is Ukraine definitely wants Russia out of Crimea.

01:22:57.000 I don't think that's in the U.S.

01:22:58.000 I don't think U.S.

01:22:58.000 interest.

01:22:59.000 is going to force that, right?

01:23:01.000 If Ukraine is simply not allowed to join NATO, and that's a line in the sand, but they can join the EU, let the Donbass have a plebiscite, they can figure out who's going to rule the Donbass.

01:23:11.000 I mean, I think you could draw this.

01:23:13.000 I'm not like an expert in this stuff, but I think you could draw a peace agreement that gives Putin some face-saving ability to get out of

01:23:19.000 this thing because it hasn't worked well for him. It gives Ukraine most of what they want and it de-escalates

01:23:24.000 so that we don't actually have nuclear missiles flying in six months. It just feels

01:23:28.000 like Biden, you know, I don't know.

01:23:31.000 I actually don't know how with it he is, right?

01:23:34.000 But it feels like he's kind of just in zombie-like fashion marching us towards nuclear war.

01:23:39.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 I don't think the chances of that are very low, but of course the costs of that are so high.

01:23:43.000 I mean, we're talking if the missiles start flying, it's like two billion people dead in 48 hours.

01:23:46.000 Well, you can't have that.

01:23:48.000 And so why are we even...

01:23:50.000 Flirting with pouring more gas on the fire by sending this money in this unaccountable way.

01:23:54.000 It's a real problem I don't want to be cavalier about it, but I fear that if you just put oxygen on it Are we actually?

01:24:00.000 Threatening to make the problem worse and no one has been able to give me a satisfactory explanation for know why this is super Okay, and this is this is de-risking it.

01:24:06.000 I just think we might be adding risk to the system.

01:24:08.000 It's really complex No, we're escalating it.

01:24:11.000 Every time we arm them, every time we do that, we stop the possibility of any kind of peace deal moving forward.

01:24:16.000 And there's a big possibility of a limited nuclear war there.

01:24:19.000 I think also this conflict allows China to be stronger.

01:24:23.000 It allows them to have more influence.

01:24:25.000 Especially with the actions that are happening because of this war affecting the poorest people in the world, China's kind of stepping in while there's a big crisis that's built in there.

01:24:36.000 And I kind of wanted to ask you, do you see China or Russia as the bigger threat to the United States?

01:24:41.000 Because they're also working on crazy projects with Bill Gates with mini nuclear reactors.

01:24:46.000 They're working on a lot of, you know, technology that we're not working on here.

01:24:50.000 They have a lot of money, especially from Western elites.

01:24:53.000 I see them as kind of a bigger threat myself.

01:24:55.000 China's a way bigger threat. 0.99

01:24:57.000 This is not debatable.

01:24:58.000 It's like Russia under Putin, I think he's bad, you know, whatever.

01:25:01.000 But no, they're incommensurate, right?

01:25:04.000 And one of the risks, by the way, of just punishing Russia with so many sanctions, you throw the kitchen sink at them, the West risks pushing Russia into the arms of China, right? 0.88

01:25:13.000 China would love that.

01:25:13.000 China would love to have Russia as some sort of quasi-satellite state and this new alliance, new axis against the West, right?

01:25:20.000 Why would we do that?

01:25:22.000 That we should try to get out of this war with Russia and Ukraine.

01:25:25.000 We should try to force them to have a ceasefire.

01:25:28.000 And then, ultimately, I think it's all hands against China.

01:25:32.000 That just seems undebatable.

01:25:33.000 The CCP, I imagine you mean?

01:25:34.000 Yeah, CCP.

01:25:36.000 You can't conflate all of China with the CCP, but actually you kinda can, as long as the CCP's in power, because that's how totalitarianism works.

01:25:42.000 It's important, I think it's important to differentiate between the Chinese people, because they're under that regime as well.

01:25:46.000 Sure, yeah, absolutely.

01:25:47.000 Basically modern slaves.

01:25:49.000 I look at, like, eastern Ukraine, I think you mentioned the Donbass region, there's two freeways that go down into Crimea, and I wonder if there's a ceasefire, and we end up, there ends up being, like, what two freeways are this?

01:25:59.000 This is an interesting philosophy.

01:26:01.000 East 97 and East 105, those two freeways that go down into Crimea.

01:26:04.000 I mean, Russia wants a land bridge down into Crimea.

01:26:07.000 You could give the western freeway, East 95, to Ukraine and East 105 to Russia and just have some sort of peaceful alignment.

01:26:15.000 I know that Zelensky is very much like Ukrainian national sovereignty.

01:26:20.000 We're not giving up our land.

01:26:23.000 Period.

01:26:23.000 That's it.

01:26:24.000 And as long as the United States is funding that message, I don't see it happening.

01:26:30.000 I think we really need an American push for a ceasefire.

01:26:33.000 But to blockade Russia from the Black Sea makes no sense!

01:26:36.000 Like, when the Soviet Union fell apart, they gave Ukraine all that land basically to neuter Russia to make sure it didn't become another global hegemon. 0.86

01:26:43.000 But at this point, it's like, yo, it is a global hegemon.

01:26:46.000 It's one of the third most powerful countries in the world.

01:26:48.000 Next to the United States and China, probably. 0.90

01:26:50.000 Um, and I think, I don't know, you make peaceful solutions.

01:26:54.000 That's me from the outside looking in.

01:26:56.000 What did you just solve out over there?

01:26:58.000 Just Ian Politicus.

01:26:59.000 I need to go to Moscow with Lex Friedman as my translator.

01:27:03.000 Or NU Luke.

01:27:04.000 Wait, you don't speak Russian, right?

01:27:05.000 I don't.

01:27:06.000 I'm Polish.

01:27:07.000 There's a big difference between the two.

01:27:08.000 And then I need to go to China with Jack Posobiec as my translator.

01:27:11.000 And then they'll have their own translators and they'll be keeping each other in check.

01:27:14.000 They're going to give you the intrusive COVID test up here, you know what?

01:27:17.000 Ain't happening.

01:27:18.000 I would do it.

01:27:19.000 I'll do it. 0.99

01:27:19.000 If it means global peace, I'll put it up my butt. 0.99

01:27:24.000 Can we get that on a meme? 0.98

01:27:24.000 You heard it here, folks. 0.98

01:27:26.000 Can somebody meme that right now?

01:27:27.000 It already happened, yeah.

01:27:28.000 Send it to me.

01:27:29.000 For world peace.

01:27:31.000 Wow, that's very brave of you.

01:27:32.000 Thanks, sir.

01:27:34.000 You're the hero.

01:27:34.000 A lot of these conversations, I kind of feel like we have no idea what's really going on.

01:27:40.000 That these intelligence agencies know way more about international affairs than we do.

01:27:44.000 They don't justify or explain it to us for Reasons of retaining power, but also for security reasons.

01:27:51.000 So we're probably sitting here saying all this stuff.

01:27:54.000 They're probably sitting back in their offices going like, you have no idea.

01:27:57.000 I'm sure that's right.

01:27:58.000 And then also the opposite is somehow probably right.

01:28:01.000 Like, you know, maybe with all their information, they actually don't know what's going on either.

01:28:05.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 Right.

01:28:07.000 Or remember WMDs that they're in Iraq. 0.70

01:28:09.000 Yeah, but were they really or were they not?

01:28:11.000 Or was that just a lie to us?

01:28:12.000 It was a psyop to convince the American people to support the war, just like the Gulf of Tonkin.

01:28:17.000 No, they knew there was no WMDs.

01:28:18.000 There was weapons inspectors that came out and they were silenced.

01:28:21.000 They were ignored by the media.

01:28:23.000 They were gagged by, of course, the federal government.

01:28:25.000 There was individuals.

01:28:26.000 The only chemical weapons that Iraq had was the ones that the United States sold to them when they were at war with Iran.

01:28:32.000 And the U.S.

01:28:33.000 government was financing both sides of that conflict, both sides of that war.

01:28:38.000 And they knew.

01:28:39.000 There was strategic papers out there showing specifically, you overthrow the government of Iraq, You're going to have Sunni Wahhabists take over the area. 1.00

01:28:47.000 You're going to have massive sectarian violence.

01:28:49.000 You're going to have Iran's sphere of influence be expanded and growing in the region, which is not for the American strategy, which is to align themselves with Saudi Arabia and the Sunnis. 0.75

01:28:59.000 So this was a recipe for disaster, and they knew this.

01:29:01.000 They had it all outlined.

01:29:03.000 They knew, hey, we're going to be hitting a beehive here and causing problems for the next few decades.

01:29:08.000 Eh, screw it.

01:29:09.000 We're going to do it anyway.

01:29:10.000 The political policy papers were all there.

01:29:12.000 Everything was lined up.

01:29:13.000 I was screaming about this.

01:29:15.000 I was there.

01:29:16.000 You know, I was saying, this is absolutely crazy.

01:29:18.000 This is insane.

01:29:18.000 There's no WMDs.

01:29:19.000 This is just the project for a new American century realized in real life.

01:29:24.000 And that's exactly what happened there.

01:29:27.000 So you're on the same age as me and Luke, I think.

01:29:29.000 I think you might be the youngest person here, Blake.

01:29:32.000 36, what do you got?

01:29:33.000 36, but your birthday's in August, March, and then Luke, when's your birthday?

01:29:37.000 July.

01:29:37.000 You guys all 36?

01:29:39.000 Shout out to the 36-year-olds out there.

01:29:41.000 But I'm bringing this up because I'm curious of, you know, back during the loose change era, the Ron Paul revolution, were you following that stuff?

01:29:48.000 Oh yeah.

01:29:49.000 I was a big Ron Paul guy in 07-08.

01:29:50.000 Yeah.

01:29:51.000 And I assume, like many others, that leads you to this position right now.

01:29:57.000 But I was just wondering, I mean, I'm wondering... I mean, I definitely would have preferred John McCain to Barack Obama.

01:30:03.000 Really?

01:30:03.000 Oh yeah.

01:30:04.000 I see quite a bit of difference between them, but zooming out, not as much difference as I would have liked.

01:30:09.000 And then you had Ron Paul, who was basically like talking about this set of questions that nobody was talking about.

01:30:16.000 And I forget how he did in his primaries.

01:30:18.000 I mean, it wasn't, the revolution did not happen, right?

01:30:21.000 But it still galvanized a lot of people.

01:30:22.000 Like you said earlier, people believed in it.

01:30:24.000 And I think he actually got Did he get like 10% in New Hampshire or something?

01:30:27.000 They cheated him.

01:30:28.000 They cheated him in so many different ways, especially when it came to the polls, especially when it came to the corporate media coverage of him.

01:30:33.000 I remember following that.

01:30:35.000 Yeah, they screwed him over.

01:30:35.000 They wouldn't mention him.

01:30:37.000 As John McCain was literally singing songs about bombing Iran.

01:30:41.000 And also, we have to understand, what happened with Barack Obama was a direct result because of the mistakes, not mistakes, but because of the destruction of the United States caused by George W. Bush.

01:30:50.000 George W. Bush was put in a position of power.

01:30:53.000 He abused that power.

01:30:54.000 He destroyed the American Constitution.

01:30:56.000 He destroyed the American economy.

01:30:58.000 And because of that, we had a cultural pushback, just like we did during Vietnam and the JFK assassination, where, of course, we had the leftist become more prominent, mainly because, in my opinion, according to Bush, overreaching, doing too much and becoming a totalitarian leader, which he was.

01:31:13.000 I thought Obama was an example of like hoping that we can put an innocent charismatic guy in power and hoping that he'll save us like a superhero and like he gets in and gets co-opted like everyone else in that position when in reality we need a ground-up movement and he promised like I'll be there for you and I think had we done a ground-up attempt at some sort of economic revolution that he wouldn't

01:31:35.000 have said no, he would have sat by and let it happen.

01:31:38.000 He was looking to do it, but he couldn't do it from the office.

01:31:41.000 There's too much...

01:31:42.000 That's the fascinating thing about Obama is he ran on hope and change, and it's supposed

01:31:44.000 to be discontinuous from Bush, right?

01:31:46.000 And he effectively harnessed voters' dissatisfaction, and I'm something new.

01:31:51.000 And actually, his administration represented stasis and continuation and lock-in, and Wall

01:31:56.000 Street got even richer, and the Patriot Act got even more fortified.

01:31:59.000 You thought drone strikes under Bush were remarkable?

01:32:02.000 Well, Obama just, you know...

01:32:03.000 They called him...

01:32:04.000 Pedal to the metal on that.

01:32:05.000 Obama, and they called him deporter-in-chief.

01:32:09.000 Yeah, he actually deported a lot of people.

01:32:12.000 That's right.

01:32:12.000 When I talk to the Border Patrol guys on the campaign, they would say, you know, Trump was great.

01:32:17.000 Solid A. But then they'd say not to be partisan about it.

01:32:20.000 Like Obama, like B. Biden, F. In terms of how these administrations supported us, right?

01:32:25.000 Like Obama actually understood.

01:32:26.000 And go back to an Obama speech from 08 or 09.

01:32:29.000 He sounds like a right-winger on immigration.

01:32:31.000 He says, well, obviously a country has borders, and if you just let anyone in, you don't know who's coming in, then you can't have a country, you know?

01:32:36.000 And it's like, wow.

01:32:37.000 You say that now, and wow, you're a bigot.

01:32:40.000 But that was Barack Obama in 08.

01:32:41.000 I'm not sure if he believed it, but he knew the politics of the time were such that he had to say that.

01:32:45.000 I would love to get just to talk to Barack in a room with no satellite phones beaming in and listening and hear like, you know, how co-opted did you get, dude?

01:32:54.000 I know that Michelle was trying to do the Let's Move campaign. 1.00

01:32:57.000 Get off sugar. 1.00

01:32:58.000 It was sugar is bad for you.

01:32:59.000 Let's move and cut sugar out of our diet. 1.00

01:33:01.000 And then the sugar industry came and was like, no, no, no, no.

01:33:03.000 Let's make it an exercise campaign, not diet.

01:33:06.000 So it was like, okay, now Let's Move is now an exercise campaign.

01:33:08.000 Sugar industry, you're back in business.

01:33:10.000 Katie Couric does a documentary on that.

01:33:11.000 Better than ever, right?

01:33:12.000 Didn't the Let's Move campaign, it's like they, you know, saturated fat is bad.

01:33:15.000 We're going to ban this 2% milk from schools.

01:33:18.000 And instead they introduced like strawberry flavored skim milk, which is just like cancer and tons of sugar, but hey, it has no fat.

01:33:24.000 High fructose corn syrup and seed oils.

01:33:27.000 Good intentions can actually backfire.

01:33:28.000 Surprise.

01:33:29.000 We're going to go to Super Chats!

01:33:30.000 If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends.

01:33:36.000 My friends, this is the last show of 2022 because tomorrow everyone's going to be traveling so they can be with their families on Christmas Eve.

01:33:43.000 Christmas is on Sunday.

01:33:46.000 And we were like, well, Saturday's Christmas Eve, we don't want to make people travel on Christmas Eve, so we're gonna let people travel for those that need to travel the Friday, so we're basically gonna wrap up.

01:33:54.000 And then the next week, we had a couple of people interested in coming on, and then we got cancellations, and I was like, I don't think we can fill a full week, to be completely honest.

01:34:01.000 Plus, nobody likes working after Christmas.

01:34:04.000 Not to mention, Monday is a travel day after Christmas, so I was just like, let's just take the week and stop trying to swim uphill.

01:34:11.000 Swim upstream.

01:34:12.000 And, you know, I don't like taking days off, but We're not going to resist.

01:34:16.000 We're going to have a good vacation and we're going to see our families.

01:34:19.000 But for now, we're going to read those superchats.

01:34:21.000 So again, smash that like button.

01:34:22.000 We got Kyle who says, Blake should move to Kentucky to challenge McConnell in the next election.

01:34:27.000 If not, Massey should do it. 0.98

01:34:29.000 I think Massey should do it. 1.00

01:34:30.000 Massey's awesome.

01:34:31.000 What a national treasure that guy is.

01:34:32.000 I got the chance to meet him a couple months ago.

01:34:34.000 Stand-up guy, obviously very funny on Twitter.

01:34:37.000 He's a model congressman.

01:34:38.000 He's really great.

01:34:40.000 No comment on moving to Kentucky to challenge McConnell.

01:34:44.000 Jazz says, Tim, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I really liked the new Avatar.

01:34:47.000 Do you guys see the new Avatar movie?

01:34:49.000 Nope.

01:34:50.000 Haven't.

01:34:50.000 Nope.

01:34:51.000 I don't want to see it.

01:34:53.000 I probably will for cultural reasons.

01:34:55.000 It will probably be a fine and entertaining movie, but I just really just don't like it.

01:34:59.000 I hear it's very culturally appropriate and inappropriate and appropriative and not woke enough.

01:35:07.000 So that's why I won't see it.

01:35:08.000 People have said it's good.

01:35:09.000 Is it James Cameron directed it?

01:35:11.000 Yep.

01:35:11.000 He says that testosterone is the toxin in the world.

01:35:15.000 I mean, you can get too much tea.

01:35:17.000 You gotta balance your tea.

01:35:18.000 Oh, we got Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:35:20.000 Tim, last super chat of 2022.

01:35:22.000 A positive note.

01:35:23.000 My folks told me they'd never again voting Democrat just because they're furious about porous border, billions to Ukraine and our government not caring about its own citizens.

01:35:31.000 Look, the positive, positive things are happening.

01:35:33.000 The border, the southern border, man.

01:35:36.000 Jorge Ventura is down there just doing God's work and the amount of videos and transparency he's providing for people to see these people being trafficked across the river day after day after day after day for years.

01:35:48.000 Like, what in the hell?

01:35:50.000 That is, I've never seen anything like that.

01:35:52.000 Millions of people.

01:35:53.000 Literally millions.

01:35:53.000 And then the White House press secretary says, that's not how it works.

01:35:55.000 People don't just walk across the border.

01:35:57.000 And it's like, no, millions of people have walked across the border since January of 2021. 0.99

01:36:03.000 This is why I can't believe these voters, these, these, these voters are so stupid, but I guess they are like, there's videos of it. 0.98

01:36:11.000 But people I know personally are like, no, that's not true. 0.99

01:36:15.000 And it's like, can I, can I, can I pull up the video and show you what happened?

01:36:17.000 Like you're lying.

01:36:18.000 It's a right wing trick.

01:36:19.000 Oh, okay.

01:36:20.000 You're in a cult.

01:36:21.000 Sorry, dude.

01:36:22.000 It's so weird.

01:36:23.000 All right, here we go.

01:36:25.000 Andrew Brews says, tried sending a meme of Joe Biden walking with Zelensky with a photoshopped Hunter Biden in the background to my mate on Facebook Messenger, and I got hit with a violation and got logged out of Facebook.

01:36:37.000 Well, I mean, why were you making fun of Joe Biden?

01:36:39.000 You know, have you thought about how maybe you deserve it?

01:36:42.000 Can you believe this guy trying to make fun of Biden like that?

01:36:44.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:36:46.000 Call the FBI.

01:36:48.000 Well, they already know because, you know, they're on Facebook.

01:36:51.000 What do we got?

01:36:54.000 Oh, Hi Dare says, love you guys.

01:36:56.000 Thank you for helping to keep sanity and insane world.

01:36:58.000 See you in 2023.

01:36:59.000 I think our January 2nd show is going to be really, really big.

01:37:02.000 I think we got a really awesome guest.

01:37:04.000 Maybe.

01:37:05.000 Can we say who?

01:37:05.000 No.

01:37:06.000 Got it.

01:37:07.000 This is how it goes.

01:37:07.000 Because it might not happen.

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:09.000 You know, like for a lot of guests, uh, they'll say yes.

01:37:11.000 And then a week goes by and like, Oh no, something came up and then we're like, we'll find somebody else.

01:37:15.000 So if we announce it, then, you know, just ends up not happening.

01:37:19.000 Sagas of History says, I want my, I want my MTG now.

01:37:24.000 Look at them establishment.

01:37:25.000 That's the way they do it.

01:37:26.000 They omnibus spend on the gender studies.

01:37:29.000 That ain't working.

01:37:30.000 That's the way they do it.

01:37:31.000 You're money worth nothing.

01:37:32.000 And they take the kids for free.

01:37:35.000 Oh, I get it.

01:37:35.000 It's to the tune of that song.

01:37:37.000 Money for nothing.

01:37:38.000 Is that what the song's called?

01:37:39.000 Dire Straits.

01:37:39.000 Yeah.

01:37:40.000 Sting sings on that.

01:37:40.000 Yeah.

01:37:42.000 I want my MTG.

01:37:44.000 Oh, MTG.

01:37:45.000 I want my MTG.

01:37:47.000 That's the way they do it.

01:37:50.000 Gas Addict says, spending my birthday with you guys, if you don't fix something that you know is broken and it breaks, that is malice.

01:37:56.000 End of story.

01:37:57.000 Yes, that's what it seems like.

01:37:58.000 If you break it, whether or not you intended to break it, you broke it, and it needs to be fixed.

01:38:03.000 Matthew Odder says the law in Arizona doesn't require intent to provide a remedy.

01:38:07.000 It requires either intent or that the number of questionable ballots put the results in doubt.

01:38:12.000 The judge conflated these.

01:38:14.000 I think that's right, actually.

01:38:16.000 And the question is, when the judge conflated them, is that the new standard?

01:38:19.000 Somehow it shouldn't be, but it's a legal ruling.

01:38:21.000 I'd understood it to be, you have to show malice, basically malice, or some sort of innocent mistake that was enough to change the result.

01:38:29.000 The question is, have they shown either?

01:38:31.000 Then it seems like, yeah.

01:38:33.000 Well, the question is, will the judge say they've shown either?

01:38:35.000 Here's the important issue.

01:38:38.000 Evidence is not proof.

01:38:41.000 Okay, so having witnesses provide circumstantial evidence is not definitive proof.

01:38:44.000 And the example I give to people is, you come home from work, your chocolate cake is destroyed, it's on the kitchen floor, and there's paw prints in it.

01:38:52.000 Is that proof?

01:38:53.000 What do you think happened?

01:38:55.000 The dog ate it.

01:38:56.000 No, that's not proof the dog ate it.

01:38:58.000 It's proof the dog stepped in it.

01:39:00.000 Because then you walk over and there's the cat with chocolate cake all over its paws and the dog's got nothing on his mouth.

01:39:05.000 So it turns out the evidence did not prove.

01:39:07.000 But let's say you see the cake knocked on the ground.

01:39:09.000 It's a vanilla cake this time because dogs can't eat chocolate.

01:39:12.000 And there's a paw print in it.

01:39:13.000 The evidence suggests to you, I'm gonna go check the dog because there's a paw print here.

01:39:18.000 That's evidence.

01:39:19.000 And when you go to the dog, he's got icing all over his face.

01:39:21.000 Okay, that's the proof.

01:39:23.000 The evidence brought you there.

01:39:24.000 So in this instance, what we have is Evidence was presented to the court, sworn testimony, affidavits, all of that stuff.

01:39:31.000 More than enough, in my opinion, that the court, the judge should, the first thing the judge should have said is, okay, defense, can you produce a chain of custody documents that they say don't exist?

01:39:40.000 First question you should have asked.

01:39:41.000 Because the answer is apparently no.

01:39:43.000 But, okay, at the very least, the evidence presented should result in a hard investigation from an independent process where they go in to make a hard determination on the facts so they can say, we have evidence, we followed the evidence, here's what we found.

01:39:58.000 I'm worried the judge is gonna be like, meh.

01:40:01.000 You know, have a nice day.

01:40:03.000 So we'll see.

01:40:04.000 We will see, we will see.

01:40:07.000 You know, but it is good that he granted the trial in the first place, because it's more than we've seen in the past.

01:40:12.000 Alright, Sam Uriah says, if GOP begin to harvest, Antifa and BLM will hunt the people in the ground game in the streets.

01:40:20.000 We will lose 2024 the same way.

01:40:22.000 We are done.

01:40:23.000 Nah, I'm sorry, that's too pessimistic for me.

01:40:25.000 I actually think people bring up Orange County.

01:40:27.000 Republican, ballot harvesting is introduced, turns Democrat, Republicans figure it out, turns Republican again.

01:40:33.000 So I'm fairly optimistic actually.

01:40:35.000 I think, especially with Elon Musk, I mean that was a nuclear bomb dropped in the culture war.

01:40:40.000 Just massive.

01:40:40.000 Very good news.

01:40:41.000 Let's see what we got.

01:40:45.000 Joseph Flynn says, the past six years are the result of the 60 years of groundwork the political elite have laid down.

01:40:51.000 We don't have 60 years to undo their work.

01:40:53.000 How can we win?

01:40:54.000 I like y'all, but alternatives don't work against evil.

01:40:57.000 How does this not end in open violence?

01:40:59.000 Open violence is the victory path for the machine, the establishment, and the left.

01:41:05.000 That's why they have locked people up over January 6th for two years without a trial.

01:41:10.000 Because they know how to control that.

01:41:13.000 Because they know regular people are scared.

01:41:15.000 The path to victory is confidence building and confidence breaking.

01:41:18.000 That is, in a fifth generational war or conflict, you have to win hearts and minds.

01:41:24.000 And with cameras on every street corner, violence doesn't work.

01:41:28.000 I mean, look at all the police brutality videos that went viral.

01:41:30.000 There was a period at the end of the 2000s where, like, every video on Facebook was police brutality.

01:41:34.000 That was devastating to government.

01:41:36.000 Like, you ended up with a whole wave of libertarians and anarchists being like, abolish the police.

01:41:40.000 So what works is being on the side of peace, being on the side of charisma, influence, and you gotta win some elections and change some rules and change some laws.

01:41:52.000 That's what we gotta do.

01:41:54.000 But I suppose there's a question of, if there is no reconciliation, then people get violent and that scares me.

01:42:00.000 All right.

01:42:01.000 S.A.

01:42:01.000 Federale says, Tim hit the nail on the head.

01:42:03.000 Milo was right.

01:42:05.000 Look at what people who care have had to deal with.

01:42:07.000 I want revenge.

01:42:08.000 I mean, I gotta be honest.

01:42:10.000 I just don't feel like whatever Kevin McCarthy says is worth anything to me.

01:42:15.000 But I understand what you're saying, Blake, when you're like, he's certainly better than Jeffries.

01:42:19.000 You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene has pointed out he's offering a whole lot.

01:42:22.000 And I'm like, I guess if you're a Republican, that makes sense.

01:42:24.000 There are certainly things he's offered that I want, but I just don't trust them.

01:42:27.000 Never have, never will.

01:42:28.000 And at this point, I know you may not feel that way, but I'm like... I understand that most people do.

01:42:34.000 But I mean, looking at how they abandoned you, and at worst, may have actively worked against you, I'm like, dude, these people do not deserve my support.

01:42:41.000 Sorry, I ain't gonna have it.

01:42:42.000 But I do think, you know, if you're at least willing to try and...

01:42:47.000 Keep a cool head about it.

01:42:48.000 That's honorable.

01:42:49.000 Don't look at me.

01:42:50.000 I could be a hothead sometimes, so... But a lot of people... I don't agree with the revenge narrative, and I'd like to talk to Mile about that next time I see him, because I feel like that's French Revolution territory, where they were executing people by beheading for, you know, just... I'm not talking about that.

01:43:03.000 Well, that's what happens if you... I'm talking about firing a guy.

01:43:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:07.000 Go home.

01:43:07.000 Like, you're fired.

01:43:08.000 Holding people up to accountability is one thing, but trying to harm them physically... You could say that firing someone is a form of harm, but I'm not talking about that kind of harm.

01:43:08.000 I see.

01:43:18.000 I'm talking about... When I say revenge, I'm saying fire him. 0.60

01:43:21.000 And if it means the Democrat might win the Speaker, I just, I don't know if that's all that much different.

01:43:26.000 Okay.

01:43:27.000 Then let's, let's call it righteous accountability.

01:43:27.000 In my opinion.

01:43:29.000 How's that?

01:43:30.000 And I'm talking about rights.

01:43:31.000 They have rights.

01:43:31.000 Your rights.

01:43:32.000 They have human rights.

01:43:33.000 Revenge doesn't imply violent action.

01:43:35.000 It just implies an emotional satisfaction of some sort has come up into a perceived slight or something.

01:43:41.000 My attitude is just, these people have never represented me.

01:43:43.000 I've never been a big fan of them.

01:43:45.000 And I feel like they were actively working against the people that I cared about and thought were trying to help me.

01:43:51.000 I see a lot of candidates and they're like, we want to make your life better.

01:43:53.000 I'm like, I really liked it.

01:43:54.000 They want to make other people's life better.

01:43:55.000 I really liked it.

01:43:56.000 And then I see the GOP establishment being like, we're going to hurt them.

01:43:58.000 And I'm like, okay, I want them fired.

01:44:01.000 Just as an aside, I was listening to Mitch McConnell on a video.

01:44:04.000 Man, he sounds tired compared to a couple of years ago.

01:44:06.000 I haven't heard from him in a couple of years.

01:44:08.000 I haven't heard his voice and it's just like, it's time to retire, man.

01:44:11.000 Alright Midas says, Luke, a government will always form.

01:44:14.000 In all of history, every community has turned into a government.

01:44:17.000 It's how it is.

01:44:18.000 The key is to form the best government possible.

01:44:21.000 The founders made the first honest attempt.

01:44:23.000 Now it's time we do it again and better.

01:44:25.000 Yeah, we talked about that on the after show and we kind of went to the same kind of conclusion.

01:44:29.000 There is a kind of government, but I think the best government is decentralized government,

01:44:33.000 and I think we should be pushing for that more than ever and slowly make sure that we are more

01:44:38.000 personally responsible for ourselves and don't need government.

01:44:41.000 How big of a local police force do you think is justifiable?

01:44:45.000 Depends on the...

01:44:46.000 I mean, I...

01:44:48.000 Like a community of 100 people or 1000 people?

01:44:51.000 A lot of it depends on culture, but for me personally, none.

01:45:00.000 Well, I mean, just like how small communities will, like, police themselves.

01:45:03.000 They'll be like, alright, Luke, you're the one that has the best accuracy, so you're the sheriff.

01:45:07.000 And then, like, then it scales up to a thousand people, and we're like, well, now we need, like, nine police to take care of this, or thirteen police.

01:45:13.000 And, like, how do you keep it decentralized as the communities grow?

01:45:20.000 Local militia and courts.

01:45:23.000 But like, as communities grow, I feel like the militia grows, and like, then when it's no longer centralized, because the militia's headquarters is three miles away.

01:45:30.000 You gotta think about it in terms of, in the early days of this country, when there was a more common morality.

01:45:34.000 I'm not saying it was all good, obviously there were bad things, but if everyone in the neighborhood took action to protect their community, you wouldn't need police to a certain degree, because if someone started doing something illegal, everyone would turn and be like, we have to stop them.

01:45:48.000 Nowadays, most people are like, leave me out of it.

01:45:51.000 So then someone has to be appointed to stop them.

01:45:53.000 And even the cops are going, leave me out of it.

01:45:55.000 And they're watching violent crimes happening and be like, I don't want to get involved.

01:45:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:59.000 So like... Meanwhile, the left wants to get rid of qualified immunity.

01:46:01.000 Actually, we might disagree on that, right?

01:46:03.000 But like, they want to get rid of qualified immunity, which is really going to keep police on the sidelines.

01:46:07.000 I mean, the cops are pretty much on the sidelines already.

01:46:07.000 What does that mean exactly?

01:46:10.000 But they are.

01:46:12.000 Or the good cops have already left.

01:46:14.000 Did you see what happened during Black Lives Matter?

01:46:16.000 The cops were just standing by.

01:46:18.000 Literally, they didn't do anything.

01:46:19.000 Very often they're ordered to stand down.

01:46:21.000 Exactly.

01:46:22.000 Or just saying, I'm not going to take the risk.

01:46:24.000 So let's look at qualified immunities that if they kill someone on the job.

01:46:27.000 They're held responsible for their actions.

01:46:29.000 The left wants people to be able to sue individual police officers in their individual capacity for anything that goes wrong.

01:46:33.000 Well, you do that, then no cop who needs to respond.

01:46:36.000 Sometimes you do need to respond to very dangerous things, right, with physical force.

01:46:40.000 And so, if everyone's thinking, I'm gonna get sued for this personally, like, who's gonna want to be a cop?

01:46:44.000 Like, it's already a really hard job.

01:46:45.000 I'm in favor of that.

01:46:46.000 Really?

01:46:47.000 I think we should have less cops and more guns.

01:46:51.000 I agree with the more guns, maybe the number of cops is fine.

01:46:53.000 I actually think we do have a disorder problem on the street, and we need more police officers, and we just need to have less tolerance for violence.

01:46:58.000 But with more police officers, they're going to only be enforcing what the Attorney General in that particular district wants them to enforce, and that's usually the wills of George Soros, going after people in your political party.

01:47:08.000 I agree that that's a disaster.

01:47:10.000 But hold on, hold on.

01:47:11.000 Here's a better example.

01:47:13.000 Illinois.

01:47:14.000 It's illegal for someone to have a gun.

01:47:16.000 If you are a law-abiding citizen, in all circumstances, and they find out that you, as a father of three, terrified for your neighborhood and your family, illicitly acquire a weapon, they're coming after you.

01:47:28.000 If you are a gang leader surrounded by a bunch of guys strapped with a whole bunch of, I mean, modified Glocks for fallout or whatever, they're gonna stay away from you.

01:47:38.000 That's right.

01:47:39.000 So what happens is the cops are like, hey, I'm not going into that neighborhood.

01:47:42.000 Those guys got heavy guns. 1.00

01:47:43.000 But this father, he wants a gun.

01:47:46.000 So the problem ends up becoming, look, if you're a cop, I totally get it.

01:47:50.000 Do you want to walk into gang territory where they're intent on killing you with high-powered weapons?

01:47:54.000 Or are you just going to arrest the low-hanging fruit?

01:47:57.000 So my attitude is like, growing up in Chicago, I actually think there's a potential for accidental discharge and things like that.

01:48:04.000 There always is.

01:48:07.000 What I saw?

01:48:08.000 All of the criminals know they can rob you.

01:48:09.000 All of the criminals know there's nothing you can do about it.

01:48:12.000 They don't care if they go to jail.

01:48:13.000 The way they talk, because I know, I grew up with some of these guys.

01:48:16.000 They say things like, I have not gone to jail yet.

01:48:19.000 They expect it to happen.

01:48:21.000 Me?

01:48:21.000 I don't want to go to jail, and I'm not going to break the law.

01:48:23.000 So when these guys walk up to you with weapons and knives and guns or whatever, they know you don't have one.

01:48:28.000 I would much rather live in a society where they see me walking down the street and they can't tell what that thing is near my waist under my jacket.

01:48:36.000 So they go, nah, not that guy, not that guy.

01:48:38.000 Because it could be the end of your life or it could be permanent injury.

01:48:42.000 But the problem with places like Chicago is they're like, dude's probably carrying a phone.

01:48:47.000 He doesn't have a gun.

01:48:48.000 Gun-free zones, right? 0.98

01:48:49.000 Exactly.

01:48:49.000 Only law-abiding citizens respect gun-free zones.

01:48:51.000 They're criminals.

01:48:52.000 They don't.

01:48:53.000 I don't want to put it on the cops.

01:48:55.000 I don't think it's fair to say, officer, you stand in front of me when that guy's threatening me.

01:48:59.000 No, no, don't worry, I got it.

01:49:00.000 I got a second amendment.

01:49:01.000 If that guy wants to threaten my life, I will protect myself.

01:49:02.000 I think both are good.

01:49:03.000 An armed citizenry is good, and well-trained, supported police are good, if you don't have selective enforcement.

01:49:08.000 The selective enforcement is really bad, right?

01:49:09.000 Yeah.

01:49:09.000 It's described as interco-tyranny.

01:49:11.000 Right.

01:49:11.000 Like, we're not going to apply the law over here, but we are over here.

01:49:14.000 That's what we have now.

01:49:15.000 That's crazy.

01:49:16.000 But actually, you make a fair point.

01:49:19.000 I made this point before that if you go back in time to when there was a more unified cultural morality, you're driving down the street in a small town.

01:49:28.000 You get pulled over.

01:49:29.000 Sheriff's deputy gets out of the car and he goes, Blake, I told you last time not to speed.

01:49:36.000 Now I gotta see your dad down at the pub tonight, what am I gonna tell him?

01:49:39.000 When the community was closer with each other, when they saw each other at church, when they knew their neighbors, or he'd pull you over and beg license and registration, you hand him and you go, Masters!

01:49:48.000 Are you John Master's kid?

01:49:50.000 That's you.

01:49:51.000 You know, I see your dad on the weekend sometimes down at the range or whatever, and I'm going to have to tell him I pulled you over and you're going to be like, oh, geez, much more personal.

01:49:59.000 There's much more at stake.

01:50:00.000 That cop knows if I beat this kid up, his dad's going to be screaming at me.

01:50:04.000 That happened to me once in Cuyahoga Falls growing up.

01:50:06.000 I think I rolled a stop and the cop pulled me over and was like, Crossland?

01:50:09.000 Tim's son?

01:50:10.000 I was like, yeah.

01:50:10.000 He was like, get out of here.

01:50:12.000 I'm not talking about getting a freebie.

01:50:14.000 I'm just saying, like, I get pulled over by a cop and he goes, you were speeding.

01:50:18.000 And then I was, I wasn't speeding.

01:50:19.000 And I was like, I'm sorry, I wasn't speeding.

01:50:22.000 I was exiting off onto Belmont from Lakeshore Drive.

01:50:24.000 I was like, I'm 10 under the limit.

01:50:25.000 And he goes, tell it to a judge.

01:50:26.000 And he throws a ticket at me.

01:50:27.000 If we were in a smaller community and this guy knew there were repercussions for lying and giving me a false ticket, and my dad was going to show up at church and be like, what are you doing?

01:50:36.000 You're lying.

01:50:37.000 They think twice about brutality or doing wrong.

01:50:40.000 More importantly, even the criminals who come in think twice because they know they'll get ostracized.

01:50:45.000 But we've become this big detached blob where no one knows each other and no one cares.

01:50:49.000 So I guess my point is, you're right, you know, cops can be very, very good so long as they feel that there is something at risk if they go against the community.

01:50:59.000 Selective enforcement arises out of the fact that cops are like, don't know you, don't care, I'll never see you again.

01:51:04.000 And then it just becomes callous.

01:51:08.000 Alright, let's read some more.

01:51:08.000 Where we at?

01:51:09.000 Oh, Noah Sanders says, Hey guys, Phoenix Ammunition is back on Twitter.

01:51:12.000 That's cool.

01:51:13.000 Glad to see it.

01:51:14.000 Oh, I like this one.

01:51:16.000 Max Reddick says, Tim, Sam Cedar made a video saying Ian is an anti-Semite.

01:51:20.000 It's time to call out Sam.

01:51:21.000 So tired of people like him.

01:51:22.000 I saw.

01:51:24.000 Did you see that?

01:51:24.000 I didn't see the video.

01:51:25.000 I watched the first like 10 seconds.

01:51:27.000 They were just laughing.

01:51:28.000 So I guess they're having a good time, which is good.

01:51:30.000 Is it because you said Kanye was going to save the Jews or something?

01:51:33.000 Save the Jews, baby.

01:51:33.000 Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about it.

01:51:35.000 It was a claim I made where I was like, if you don't believe in God, you're not Jewish.

01:51:37.000 And it's like, well, I think what happens is, because it's like there's the cultural Jews and there's the religious Jews, and there's even a conflation within Judaism that if you don't believe in God, like some religious ones think the cultural is not enough.

01:51:48.000 And I think culturally you're an Israelite.

01:51:49.000 You're from the tribe of Jacob, who's Israel.

01:51:52.000 Everyone is the Israelites. 0.98

01:51:53.000 But if you don't believe in God, then are you, did you follow the Jewish path?

01:51:56.000 If you, you know, and I want, I want to, I think you gotta talk to a rabbi. 0.98

01:52:00.000 Oh, heck yeah.

01:52:01.000 Let me read this one.

01:52:01.000 Powder PZ says, if the judge rules the 290,000 bouts, it's 298,000 bouts, broke chain of custody and are invalid, what happens with Blake's case since he lost by less than that?

01:52:17.000 That's a good question, although, again, what's the remedy?

01:52:20.000 When the judge says it's invalid, is he going to order a new election?

01:52:23.000 Somehow, I don't think he's doing that.

01:52:26.000 I think the judge is probably going to say, chain of custody was broken, that's bad, the law doesn't give me a remedy, and unless you can prove that either 17,000 in Kerry's case or 125,000 in my case were changed, not doing anything.

01:52:43.000 But does the law need to give him a remedy?

01:52:45.000 If I was the judge and someone said, these ballots have no chain of custody, I'd say, oh, then they're not valid.

01:52:50.000 Like, the law requires, actually, that they have chain of custody, and if they don't, I don't consider them ballots, so remove them.

01:52:56.000 And so the question then becomes, if the judge just says, 290,000 ballots will be removed from the total count, go through them and figure out who got what?

01:53:04.000 It would throw every race into question whose margin was less than 250,000 or whatever, which is all of them. 0.96

01:53:08.000 I think if it's Maricopa County, it would flip everything Republican.

01:53:12.000 Because these are predominantly gonna be Democrat votes.

01:53:14.000 I don't know, we talked a little bit about this earlier, I don't know if the margin in Maricopa County, Democrat to Republican, is enough with that number to change the results of your election if 290,000 were rejected, right?

01:53:26.000 Like, it was 125,000.

01:53:27.000 That means it needs to be, like, 2 to 1 Democrat to Republican, but I don't think it was that much, right?

01:53:33.000 It was closer.

01:53:33.000 We'd have to do the math.

01:53:34.000 But it'd be very interesting to see what the judge rules, right?

01:53:37.000 I mean, I just don't see it as possible.

01:53:40.000 someone came to me and said, do you think the judge is going to rule in favor of Carrie

01:53:42.000 Lake?

01:53:43.000 I would say no.

01:53:44.000 I just don't see it as possible.

01:53:45.000 If I had to make a bet, I'm not going to.

01:53:46.000 I wouldn't put a dollar on it.

01:53:48.000 I don't trust that.

01:53:50.000 You know, he's going to say what you're right.

01:53:52.000 He's going to say it was really messed up.

01:53:54.000 And sorry about that.

01:53:56.000 And we should all be outraged that there's going to be no accountability.

01:53:59.000 We talked about accountability for politicians.

01:54:01.000 What about the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors?

01:54:03.000 Your one job was to make sure that there was a smooth Election Day administration, and they failed to do it.

01:54:08.000 Did they fail to do it on purpose?

01:54:09.000 I'm willing to say, hey, for purposes of this discussion, assume that they're just incompetent.

01:54:15.000 Usually when you're that incompetent, you get fired.

01:54:17.000 Let's remove the politics from everything, and I'll tell you where the problem is right now.

01:54:21.000 A witness testified they did not receive chain of custody documents and were told that they don't exist.

01:54:28.000 Immediately, there needs to be an investigation because it's a matter of law.

01:54:33.000 Will the judge make a criminal referral for an investigation to find these chain-of-custody documents?

01:54:38.000 I think the answer is no.

01:54:40.000 That's the problem.

01:54:41.000 That has nothing to do with overturning the election.

01:54:43.000 I'm just saying, outright, as a matter of criminal law, we need to know if the chain-of-custody documents exist.

01:54:48.000 They were requested by one of the parties in the election.

01:54:51.000 We're told they don't exist.

01:54:52.000 What's going on?

01:54:54.000 Then there's the problem of, if the documents don't exist, and there is a criminal referral, and someone is criminally charged for not following the law, how could those votes then count?

01:55:02.000 Because you certainly couldn't come out and say, now hold on there a minute!

01:55:06.000 We understand that the law was broken, and we have no evidence that these ballots were legitimately cast, but we're gonna count them anyway!

01:55:12.000 Then the cost of winning election is just for the individual who wants to go to prison.

01:55:17.000 That means if they don't solve this in any future election, an individual can be like, I'm willing to go to prison if it means half a million votes go to my candidate.

01:55:26.000 That's already the structure of the law in so many other cases in Arizona, like ballot harvesting in Arizona.

01:55:31.000 It's illegal, right?

01:55:32.000 I'm not allowed to go to a nursing home or assisted living facility and collect ballots and turn them in.

01:55:36.000 That would be illegal.

01:55:37.000 But if someone did that, even if they got caught and prosecuted, the ballots that they

01:55:42.000 illegally harvested count.

01:55:45.000 I mean, even if you could identify them, there are legal votes as soon as they get into the

01:55:48.000 post office, which is really crazy.

01:55:50.000 You think that an illegally harvested ballot, as soon as if you could identify it wouldn't

01:55:55.000 count.

01:55:56.000 No, in Arizona law, it counts.

01:55:57.000 You can just publicize this is a corruption, penalize the person who did it.

01:56:00.000 The founding fathers that did not intend for this to be the system of gamesmanship.

01:56:06.000 Whoever can manipulate the numbers to the best wins.

01:56:08.000 No, it was of, for, and by the people.

01:56:10.000 If we know definitively the will of the people is not being followed through, then we have an obligation as the people to remedy that.

01:56:17.000 But to come out and be like, well, the law says there's nothing we can do.

01:56:19.000 It's like, you expect a government of, for, and by the people to just be not of, for, and by the people because of a statutory claim?

01:56:26.000 That's insane.

01:56:29.000 Alright, we'll grab some more here.

01:56:31.000 Brody Nevis says, love the show guys, bring on the Tate brothers!

01:56:34.000 Also, Andrew is 36.

01:56:35.000 I was watching a video from him, and he was talking about... Dude, I think... I haven't watched a lot of Andrew Tate stuff.

01:56:44.000 I've known of him for a while, and I watched a couple videos, but the couple videos I've seen, I really like.

01:56:49.000 He had one where he's telling people to like sign up to his program, become a member, it costs money and all that.

01:56:53.000 And that, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it.

01:56:55.000 But the whole video is actually really good. 0.96

01:56:57.000 He's like, you're sitting there, a loser, eating, getting fat, playing video games when you could be winning. 0.94

01:57:04.000 You could be changing your life. 0.98

01:57:06.000 You could be improving.

01:57:07.000 And then he says something like, the rocket ship going to the moon doesn't stop halfway and chill for a little bit.

01:57:12.000 It keeps going and it's hard.

01:57:14.000 And that means you got to start working hard now and not stop.

01:57:17.000 You can't give up.

01:57:18.000 And I'm like, Oh, yeah, he's right.

01:57:20.000 Yeah, but in space, the inertia will take you there.

01:57:22.000 You don't have to keep your thrusters on the whole time.

01:57:23.000 OK, but you get the point.

01:57:24.000 Oh, we're totally going to debate.

01:57:26.000 Bring him on.

01:57:26.000 Come on, Andrew.

01:57:27.000 No, I think it was great.

01:57:28.000 Like I mentioned when he had a video where he says happiness is irrelevant.

01:57:31.000 You have to.

01:57:32.000 If you're happy or sad, you wake up, you do the exact same thing.

01:57:35.000 You work hard.

01:57:36.000 And I'm like, that dude, he's completely right.

01:57:38.000 That's that's motivation.

01:57:39.000 Yeah, we should go to Dubai and interview them.

01:57:42.000 Like he's like a world famous.

01:57:44.000 I think he's a kickboxer.

01:57:45.000 Press one if you want us to do that.

01:57:46.000 I guess we have this next week.

01:57:50.000 I kind of want to spend time with family, but January 3rd.

01:57:54.000 Nah, it would take like a whole day to travel there.

01:57:58.000 Yeah, we do it over the weekend.

01:58:00.000 And then do a week in Dubai?

01:58:02.000 Yeah.

01:58:02.000 That's crazy.

01:58:03.000 We could set it up in Dubai, that'd be awesome.

01:58:05.000 You know why I wouldn't want to do it is because the speech laws they have are not, in my opinion, conducive to a show like this.

01:58:11.000 Yeah, but it's the same like Bali.

01:58:13.000 You know, Indonesia has their own laws, but Bali has respect for tourists.

01:58:17.000 If there's a will, there's a way.

01:58:20.000 Perhaps, perhaps.

01:58:20.000 Everyone's pressing 1 in the chat.

01:58:22.000 But I think he also goes to Europe, too.

01:58:25.000 Romania.

01:58:26.000 Aw, dude, I love Romania.

01:58:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:27.000 So let's go to Romania.

01:58:29.000 I mean, I would... I was there before, too.

01:58:31.000 It's a pretty awesome country.

01:58:32.000 They have an awesome fast food pizza joint.

01:58:34.000 I thought Romania was awesome when I went there.

01:58:36.000 I enjoyed it.

01:58:37.000 What are the two big cities there?

01:58:39.000 It's like Bucharest.

01:58:39.000 Bucharest.

01:58:40.000 And what's the other one?

01:58:41.000 I forgot.

01:58:42.000 Brasov.

01:58:42.000 Brasov?

01:58:43.000 I don't know.

01:58:44.000 I loved it.

01:58:44.000 I thought it was so fantastic.

01:58:46.000 Great place, by the way.

01:58:47.000 Or we could be like, let's meet in the middle, let's go to Poland.

01:58:50.000 I mean, that'd be cool, too.

01:58:51.000 Or Budapest.

01:58:52.000 I'd love to check that one out.

01:58:54.000 Damien Simmons says, Luke, today I found out about gold-backed currency that is state-based.

01:58:57.000 New Hampshire, etc.

01:59:00.000 For example, what is your input on cryptocurrency backed by gold and silver or a state-backed crypto?

01:59:06.000 You know, my sentiment?

01:59:06.000 Always be skeptical.

01:59:08.000 But when it comes to this economy, I think it's best to diversify as much as you can and not put anything in one particular basket.

01:59:14.000 We don't know what's happening right now.

01:59:16.000 It's an absolutely crazy market.

01:59:18.000 Don't trust anyone and just try to have your money all over the place because you never know what's going to happen.

01:59:24.000 Collision to gov says go watch the EPA's new diesel engine regulatory announcement.

01:59:28.000 The emission requirement essentially bans them and will force you to buy the Chinese electric truck that doesn't work.

01:59:35.000 Probably.

01:59:36.000 It's the way things go, I guess, you know.

01:59:40.000 All right, what do we got?

01:59:42.000 Martin Edgar says, I saw a show that stated there was a noticeable polar shift.

01:59:46.000 Then the shift changed in the opposite direction.

01:59:48.000 The culprit was identified as the massive construction in China is causing the Earth to be unbalanced. 0.60

01:59:54.000 Is that true?

01:59:56.000 Ian?

01:59:56.000 I don't know.

01:59:57.000 There are pole shifts.

01:59:58.000 You can watch the way the Earth's spinning.

02:00:00.000 It's kind of like a, it's not spinning completely even.

02:00:03.000 So it's like wobbling and sometimes you'll see the pole moving in like a spiral.

02:00:07.000 I have no idea though to answer that question.

02:00:10.000 Crypt DJ says, where are your shirts made, Luke?

02:00:14.000 Um, I believe South America?

02:00:16.000 I don't know, I gotta double check.

02:00:19.000 Do you use Spring?

02:00:22.000 I use a number of different companies.

02:00:23.000 So I have like three to four companies that I use right now.

02:00:25.000 We're looking to, we used to work with a local shop in the United States, but they're no longer active.

02:00:31.000 But if you have an active t-shirt store that you're printing shirts in the United States from the United States, the shirts are actually made in South America.

02:00:39.000 I think it was either Ecuador, I think.

02:00:42.000 I forgot exactly which country.

02:00:43.000 But if you have a store here, hit me up.

02:00:46.000 I would love to work with an American business.

02:00:48.000 I did before.

02:00:48.000 I want to do it again.

02:00:49.000 I will say it's hard.

02:00:50.000 It's very hard.

02:00:51.000 We had to make cheap political t-shirts, right?

02:00:53.000 So I insisted on made in America blanks, right? 0.99

02:00:56.000 Why not?

02:00:57.000 Really hard.

02:00:58.000 You find a shade of olive green that you like, good luck finding that shirt.

02:01:03.000 Like 30 bucks.

02:01:04.000 30 bucks if you can get it, or it might take six months to get a US-made bling.

02:01:08.000 Meanwhile, the stuff in Honduras, the stuff in El Salvador, it's just... that's... you can't even make... Meanwhile, my wife... I gotta open a t-shirt factory. 0.96

02:01:14.000 My wife does vintage shopping for our kids, eight-year-olds and six-year-olds, and so when you get on eBay and you get a shirt made in the 80s or 90s, invariably made in the USA.

02:01:23.000 Made in the USA.

02:01:23.000 We've just outsourced this.

02:01:25.000 If you want to buy American Yeah, I think we should give the people the option to buy either American or from South America.

02:01:33.000 So if you have an American t-shirt business, email me info at wearechange.org and I want to do that again.

02:01:39.000 South America is pretty awesome too.

02:01:42.000 I love South America.

02:01:44.000 Alright everybody, if you have not already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com, and this is it.

02:01:55.000 The finale, the sign-off for 2022.

02:01:58.000 I'll tell you what our plan is.

02:01:59.000 We're going to spend time with family.

02:02:00.000 We're going to enjoy it.

02:02:01.000 We're gonna relax for a little bit and just cool off after Christmas and then I'm gonna go up to New York City because we have big Times Square billboards up right now for New Year's and we are going to the official New Year's party.

02:02:17.000 Where supposedly all of the big shots in New York are going to be.

02:02:19.000 Because we're invited.

02:02:21.000 And I'm going to really, really enjoy that.

02:02:23.000 I wonder how that will turn out.

02:02:24.000 We'll see.

02:02:24.000 It'll be fun because Luke will be there too.

02:02:27.000 I'm great at events.

02:02:29.000 I tell a lot of jokes.

02:02:30.000 This time Luke's not sneaking in, he's being invited in to the den of Capital City.

02:02:34.000 That's rare.

02:02:35.000 I usually get kicked out.

02:02:37.000 I call it uncommon at this point.

02:02:39.000 No wonder rare.

02:02:39.000 It's getting more common.

02:02:41.000 So, uh, you know, the rumor is the official New Year's Eve party's gonna have a lot of, uh, big shots.

02:02:46.000 Democrat players and things like that.

02:02:48.000 And we're going as cordially invited guests to enjoy the buffet and watch the festivities.

02:02:52.000 And, uh, I imagine that we will be calm and collected individuals, but we'll see how that goes, so, uh...

02:02:57.000 I just want to say thank you all so much for your support in these past few years, and this year especially, allowing us to have that cultural dominance, at least to the degree we do, by doing things like in Times Square, and becoming a member helps us continually do more.

02:03:09.000 The next big project is we're launching a coffee shop.

02:03:11.000 The building has already been purchased.

02:03:13.000 We are now beginning the process of designing and planning out the coffee shop and the hangout.

02:03:17.000 It's in West Virginia.

02:03:19.000 First floor is going to be cafe.

02:03:20.000 Second floor is going to be games and hangout.

02:03:22.000 Third floor is going to be a podcast studio where we can do Friday night special events and members can hang out on the first floor as we do the show.

02:03:28.000 And then hopefully within the next year we have four to ten new locations and we can keep opening up these cultural spaces where people can hang out, meet each other, share ideas, and we can build that movement.

02:03:38.000 So thank you all so much.

02:03:39.000 You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.

02:03:41.000 You can follow me personally at TimCast.

02:03:43.000 Blake, do you want to shout anything out?

02:03:45.000 Thanks for having me.

02:03:45.000 You guys are great and I really appreciate it.

02:03:48.000 You've got to come to Arizona more.

02:03:49.000 Maybe we'll do a joint one with me and Kerry.

02:03:52.000 Well, you know, if Turning Point USA is willing to have us, this space they built for us is incredible, and considering the amount of space they do have, You know, if there's ever another opportunity where they can get us a temporary setup, we could definitely come down and do other things like that.

02:04:07.000 We were planning on doing stuff like that, going to Miami.

02:04:10.000 We did go to Austin, we have the mobile trailer and everything.

02:04:13.000 But it's like, you gotta find a place where you can hook up, get internet and do all that stuff.

02:04:16.000 Fortunately for us with Arizona, Charlie said we could build you a studio and get your logo on the screen.

02:04:22.000 We definitely have to travel more.

02:04:24.000 Where can people find you on Twitter?

02:04:26.000 At BG Masters.

02:04:27.000 Blake, thank you so much for coming on.

02:04:28.000 That was great.

02:04:29.000 Thank you for giving us your perspective.

02:04:31.000 My website is lukeuncensor.com, which is getting the business from PayPal,

02:04:35.000 as PayPal just announced that they're going to be unsubscribing everyone from my members area.

02:04:40.000 Of course, we had an alternative a couple months ago set up.

02:04:42.000 Tell Peter Thiel, be like, Thiel, what are you doing?

02:04:45.000 I'm just joking.

02:04:46.000 He's no longer at PayPal, but they're unsubscribing everyone.

02:04:49.000 We set up an alternative months ago, but there's still some members being signed up there.

02:04:53.000 They're going to be forcefully cut off.

02:04:54.000 So if you're on PayPal and you're signed up to LukeUncensored.com, go to that website, get off PayPal, sign up on our alternative.

02:05:02.000 We have a third alternative that we're working on right now.

02:05:05.000 LukeUncensored.com and right before Christmas.

02:05:08.000 Thank you, PayPal.

02:05:08.000 Really appreciate it.

02:05:10.000 Still, the majority of my members were on there. 0.97

02:05:12.000 So yeah, that sucks. 0.96

02:05:14.000 So. 0.88

02:05:15.000 Thanks for coming, bro.

02:05:16.000 That was hot.

02:05:17.000 This is fun.

02:05:18.000 Good to see you, man.

02:05:18.000 Thank you.

02:05:19.000 You guys, when you go see your family, I hope you have a chance to do this this holiday.

02:05:23.000 Spend some time listening to what they have to say.

02:05:26.000 Really just listen.

02:05:27.000 And remember, if you disagree, if you start to get flushed, if you want to talk politics, whatever, that you're blessed just to be able to have the conversation and be there for them.

02:05:37.000 You know, people are people are waking up all over Earth.

02:05:40.000 And I want to remind you about this lovable, wonderful Mr. Bocas.

02:05:44.000 Keep Bucko in your thoughts.

02:05:45.000 I'm looking forward to seeing Bucko.

02:05:46.000 I'll see him on the 2nd of January.

02:05:48.000 I've been looking to get him stem cells, a stem cell treatment for his kidneys, which were underdeveloped.

02:05:53.000 But the congenital kidney issues, they say that stem cells are more for like chronic kidney issues and things.

02:06:00.000 So I don't know if it's going to work.

02:06:01.000 Well, he does have chronic kidney disease.

02:06:03.000 OK, so there might be a chance.

02:06:05.000 A path forward here and I would love to pioneer some new regenerative medicine and then publicize and popularize the technology and save millions of more cats and dogs and people across earth and beyond.

02:06:16.000 Alright.

02:06:16.000 Take care of yourself.

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