Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Kyle Rittenhouse EXTRADITED To Kenosha, DEBUNKING Critical Race Theory With Chris Rufo

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:32.000 we got big breaking news So we're just going to jump right into the show tonight and talk about it.

00:00:58.000 We have a really great guest, Christopher Ruffo, who is responsible solely for getting Donald Trump to ban these critical race theory trainings.

00:01:06.000 Right?

00:01:06.000 Is that fair?

00:01:07.000 Not solely, but I was the catalyst for it.

00:01:09.000 Giving you all the credit.

00:01:10.000 Started it off, and then some very good people, including Tucker Carlson, and then the White House staff really ran and took the ball.

00:01:16.000 Right on, right on.

00:01:17.000 So, we've got some big news.

00:01:19.000 We'll jump into it in a second, just do the regular intro for today.

00:01:23.000 Welcome to the show.

00:01:24.000 We're having internet trouble.

00:01:25.000 Welcome to living in the middle of nowhere, which is, we're actually going to talk about being in the middle of nowhere, so hopefully the show doesn't cut out too bad, because this is significant to what we're going to be talking about.

00:01:34.000 We have news on Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:01:35.000 So, of course, I'm Tim Poole.

00:01:36.000 This is Tim Cass IRL Podcast.

00:01:38.000 We got Ian.

00:01:38.000 He's chilling.

00:01:39.000 Hello, everyone.

00:01:40.000 We got Lydia.

00:01:40.000 She's producing.

00:01:41.000 Hi, guys.

00:01:41.000 Christopher Ruffa is our guest.

00:01:43.000 And let's just jump straight into the news.

00:01:46.000 Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be extradited.

00:01:49.000 We've got the story here.

00:01:51.000 Teenage Kenosha riot gunman Kyle Rittenhouse will be extradited to Wisconsin to face murder charges for shooting dead two left-wing protesters.

00:01:58.000 And, of course, he shot a third person.

00:02:00.000 And that's about it.

00:02:02.000 I mean, that's the gist of the news.

00:02:05.000 But we've got, man, National Guard called into Philadelphia.

00:02:10.000 The likelihood, I suppose, on everyone's mind with the election coming up, it's, what is it?

00:02:15.000 Today's Friday night.

00:02:16.000 This is usually when things get heated.

00:02:18.000 It's the weekends when riots kick off.

00:02:20.000 Now we're hearing that they're going to be extraditing Kyle Rittenhouse, which is, I guess, in a sense, in terms of simmering everything down, good news, I'm sure, for those.

00:02:29.000 I don't know if it's good news or bad news for Kyle himself.

00:02:32.000 I don't know what the lawyers are saying.

00:02:33.000 I guess they're worried about his safety, so they want him to go, you know, face trial, whatever.

00:02:37.000 But this might maybe be some good things for the rioters.

00:02:41.000 I don't know.

00:02:42.000 I don't think there's anything that's going to make them calm down.

00:02:44.000 Now, as we get into election day, which is three days now.

00:02:51.000 Three more days.

00:02:52.000 So Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, and then Tuesday will be it.

00:02:55.000 So it's kind of four days.

00:02:57.000 It's going to get spicy.

00:02:58.000 It's going to get real crazy.

00:02:59.000 So, uh, for those that aren't familiar, uh, Christopher Ruffo, you, you, I don't want to say what you exactly specialize in, but you definitely do cover critical race theory, which is like this wokeness stuff.

00:03:09.000 So I think you might have a lot of insights into the motivations of at least some of the rioters and some of the things they've been protesting and saying, as well as the actions taken by the president.

00:03:18.000 I don't know if you want to just mention a bit about what you do and.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, I will.

00:03:21.000 And, you know, really to your point about the unrest, I was in D.C.

00:03:24.000 all day today, I was meeting at the White House, and I went out to Georgetown last night, and throughout the city businesses are now boarding up all their windows, they're putting up fencing, they're putting up barriers, they're putting up fortifications.

00:03:37.000 The kind of feeling just walking through the city is that things are going to pop off with almost a hundred percent degree of certainty.

00:03:45.000 And my thought is that, you know, a lot of these folks are looking for any kind of rationale for going out in the streets.

00:03:53.000 So I think that it's very likely to get ugly, to get feisty on election night.

00:04:00.000 Everywhere.

00:04:00.000 And tomorrow's a full moon.

00:04:02.000 Oh no!

00:04:02.000 Oh dude!

00:04:03.000 Of course it is!

00:04:04.000 Oh my god!

00:04:06.000 Hold on, buddies are water.

00:04:07.000 No, no, but we were just driving back because we're trying to get set up for this.

00:04:11.000 We're doing this big party.

00:04:12.000 We're gonna have a bunch of people here and, you know, we're in the middle of nowhere, elevated, surrounded by a bunch of other armed residents.

00:04:18.000 It's a really interesting property and we're coming back and I'm looking at the moon and it is Ominous.

00:04:23.000 It's big man.

00:04:24.000 I was driving up here and saying like, whoa, I almost hit three deer on the way in here.

00:04:28.000 I was like, there's some vibes happening.

00:04:30.000 Yeah, for real.

00:04:32.000 Dude, people don't, you want, you want to know some, some true facts?

00:04:35.000 More crime is committed during full moons.

00:04:37.000 Yeah.

00:04:37.000 Do you know that?

00:04:38.000 Dude, the tides, the moon I heard used to be closer to the earth and would have this real oval shape going around the earth and it would pull the tides like hundreds of feet in the air.

00:04:47.000 That was a long time ago, but there's a really simple reason why more crime is committed during a full moon.

00:04:53.000 It's brighter out.

00:04:54.000 I don't know if you've ever gone to the middle of nowhere.

00:04:56.000 You know what's really, really cool is when, because I grew up in Chicago, we would go to the lake during a new moon and it was the scariest thing.

00:05:03.000 You look out into the lake and it was a void.

00:05:05.000 Like, you couldn't see anything.

00:05:06.000 You're like, whoa.

00:05:07.000 But you hear the water and that sea, you fall and you die.

00:05:10.000 During a full moon, you can see everything.

00:05:11.000 It's like reflecting.

00:05:12.000 So, we got a full moon and it's gonna be a Saturday night full moon, just before the election, while these riots are going off, on Halloween!

00:05:22.000 2020 doesn't disappoint.

00:05:26.000 It does not, man.

00:05:27.000 Yeah.

00:05:27.000 So, uh, so I guess, look, um, we, I wanted to open it with this big update on, on what's going on with Cott Rittenhouse.

00:05:34.000 It doesn't, it's not definitive of anything particularly, but it does have a lot to do with the unrest we're seeing, what's going to happen.

00:05:40.000 We've got the election coming up and there's a, there's a lot of stuff to talk about in this.

00:05:44.000 I don't know if they're still doing it, but I don't know if you heard this, you know, you mentioned they're boarding things up.

00:05:47.000 Did you hear that Walmart was taking the guns off the shelves and hiding the ammo?

00:05:52.000 Yeah, I didn't hear that, but it makes a lot of sense.

00:05:55.000 I mean, people are in kind of siege mentality.

00:05:58.000 I even heard a friend said there's a shortage of toilet paper again.

00:06:01.000 Yeah, there is.

00:06:03.000 Which is also weird.

00:06:04.000 It's like, when did this become the panic buying thing?

00:06:06.000 If you want to survive, I feel like toilet paper is very far down on the list.

00:06:11.000 Did you see what's going on in Paris?

00:06:13.000 I've seen a little bit of it, yeah.

00:06:14.000 Like tens of thousands of cars flooding the highways all gridlocked for miles.

00:06:19.000 Like they're gridlocked because when a traffic jam is so big, no car can move.

00:06:23.000 Yeah.

00:06:24.000 I don't know if you ever played that game, it's called gridlock, where you have all,

00:06:26.000 you have, you have street and all the cars and you got to move the car to like figure

00:06:29.000 out how to break the gridlock.

00:06:30.000 Oh.

00:06:30.000 But there's like when you have a car in every direction going, you know,

00:06:34.000 up, down, left, right, or north, south, east, west, they all block each other.

00:06:38.000 And so none of the cars can move.

00:06:39.000 In Paris, they're doing new draconian lockdowns, where you have to have your papers if you want to go outside, proving you have a right to go outside.

00:06:47.000 This is crazy.

00:06:49.000 So people jump in their cars and they take off, trying to flee the city.

00:06:52.000 Stores are getting raided once again.

00:06:54.000 It's like, just like it was back in March.

00:06:56.000 It's happening again.

00:06:58.000 And it's a full moon.

00:06:59.000 It's Halloween.

00:07:00.000 It's election night.

00:07:01.000 Lydia's not wearing her mask.

00:07:05.000 I wonder if this is like the end of the simulation.

00:07:08.000 It's it, you know, the culmination.

00:07:09.000 Best part.

00:07:10.000 That's for sure.

00:07:11.000 We were just hanging out.

00:07:13.000 Are you familiar with simulation theory?

00:07:14.000 like the singularity like Ray Kurzweil or just like like like the Matrix yeah

00:07:18.000 yeah like our universe is a simulation of some yeah yeah we were just we're

00:07:21.000 just hanging out and I was like what if what if we're in this simulation and

00:07:25.000 everything we're doing feels like the most important thing ever and there's

00:07:29.000 like Donald Trump is president and there's a crime wave and riots and

00:07:32.000 things are exploding and then they're like arming the nukes and dictators are

00:07:34.000 getting ready and the guys running the simulation are actually just tracking

00:07:37.000 like the Peruvian dung beetles mating cycle And so, like, we're in this simulation, but they're just, like, sitting at a computer being like, Hey, did you see that in the simulation?

00:07:45.000 Donald Trump is president?

00:07:46.000 Oh, did you look at that? 0.98

00:07:47.000 Anyway, look at the dung beetles.

00:07:48.000 They're mating this season.

00:07:50.000 A completely different kind of thought process and brain.

00:07:53.000 Their interests are misaligned with ours.

00:07:55.000 Yeah, we think we're important.

00:07:57.000 We have nothing to do with it.

00:07:58.000 It's all about those dung beetles.

00:07:59.000 Yeah, man.

00:08:01.000 It's crazy to see all this stuff starting to ignite again.

00:08:04.000 Because I'll tell you, man, usually on Fridays, news is slow and boring.

00:08:09.000 And then all of a sudden, today, it was just like, whoa, there's riots across Europe because of COVID lockdown stuff.

00:08:15.000 Toilet paper shortages again.

00:08:17.000 Yeah, now we got DC boarding up, National Guard deployed in Philadelphia, riots in New York, and now something just happened in... where did it happen?

00:08:27.000 We just had another shooting of some guy.

00:08:29.000 Seriously?

00:08:30.000 Yeah, yeah, I saw it on Twitter.

00:08:32.000 Man, I took a nap, guys.

00:08:33.000 Give me a break.

00:08:34.000 It was a dude who was shooting at cops, and the cops killed him, and now there's, you know, rioters coming out Friday night too, so...

00:08:42.000 Yeah, man.

00:08:43.000 So let's just let's just do this.

00:08:45.000 You went on Fox News and you called on the president to ban critical race theory.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, that's how it happened.

00:08:53.000 And it was a it was a really a kind of a process.

00:08:55.000 And I did a number of stories on critical race theory in government agencies.

00:08:59.000 So the first one was in Seattle.

00:09:01.000 Where the Seattle Office of Civil Rights, ironically enough, was hosting racially segregated diversity trainings.

00:09:07.000 And the training for white employees was called Interrupting Whiteness and Internalized Racial Superiority. 0.61

00:09:14.000 So they would have white employees come in, they would be kind of forced to stand to say, I'm Karen, I'm a she, her, I'm white, and then essentially admit and then deconstruct their complicity in white supremacy.

00:09:29.000 Struggle sessions.

00:09:30.000 Struggle sessions.

00:09:31.000 I mean, it had all the documentation, and the charts, and the graphs, and objectivity is racist, and et cetera, et cetera.

00:09:38.000 And I kind of got my hands on these documents through a public records request, and I said, this is crazy, but it's outside of my normal field of expertise, which for the last two years has been poverty, homelessness, addiction, and urban disorder.

00:09:51.000 But I said, you know what?

00:09:51.000 I'm going to throw this up on Twitter.

00:09:53.000 I'm just kind of using my Twitter account, kind of starting, and I'll see what happens.

00:09:57.000 And then it's just, boom.

00:09:59.000 So then I write an article about it in City Journal, and I think it went to the New York Post.

00:10:03.000 And then I started just getting deluged with leakers and whistleblowers from everywhere in the government.

00:10:10.000 All of a sudden my inbox is just like, I'm in the Treasury Department, I'm in the FBI, I'm in the IRS, I'm in the EPA, I'm in the Justice Department, and they're doing the same stuff.

00:10:25.000 And that's the moment I said, I've stumbled on something big and something that is happening to a lot of people.

00:10:32.000 And people are saying, hey, look, we can't oppose this.

00:10:35.000 I can't get up and say, I think this is wrong.

00:10:39.000 I'll get, you know, crucified.

00:10:41.000 I'll get retaliated against. 0.96

00:10:43.000 I'll lose my job.

00:10:44.000 I'll get, you know, kind of turned into a pariah at the office.

00:10:48.000 But I really am deeply upset about this and it's wrong and it's a waste of money.

00:10:53.000 So then I just went did story after story after story and just you know worked up the media chain Dropped it on Twitter first link to an article and City Journal or the New York Post or another publication And then from there, you know booked on on Laura Ingram booked on Tucker Wow and and after I did that process four or five times I'd created enough of an evidence base where it's persuasive that this is happening in many places.

00:11:19.000 And then Tucker's producer called me and he said, Hey, look, I want you to do the monologue with Tucker Carlson tonight and just lay it out.

00:11:27.000 Wow.

00:11:27.000 And I said, that's cool.

00:11:29.000 Let's do it.

00:11:30.000 And he says, and he says, all right, you got two hours, write the monologue that you want to do.

00:11:34.000 Tucker will set you up and then, and then, and then do it.

00:11:37.000 And I said, all right, cool.

00:11:39.000 I'm driving up to the studio and, all right, cool.

00:11:43.000 You know, read it off the teleprompter and then we'll do it.

00:11:45.000 And then I get a call to say, we couldn't book a teleprompter.

00:11:50.000 And I said, okay.

00:11:51.000 And he said, you're just going to have to just wing it.

00:11:55.000 You have three and a half minutes.

00:11:57.000 You just have to vibe on it.

00:11:58.000 And you're in a dark room.

00:11:59.000 There's lights.

00:12:00.000 You don't see him.

00:12:00.000 You just hear him in a little earpiece.

00:12:02.000 And then I said, all right, I got this.

00:12:04.000 Let's do it.

00:12:04.000 And I started feeling those butterflies a little bit.

00:12:07.000 And then Tucker sets it up beautifully.

00:12:09.000 And then, honestly, I just kind of blacked out.

00:12:12.000 I just got into the flow of it and just spitfire, just rattled it out, outlined the research, quoted the best that I could, kind of paraphrasing what happened.

00:12:23.000 And then at the very end, something I'd rehearsed on the way, riding in my truck on the way up to Seattle, I said, And then I call on the President of the United States to immediately issue an executive order abolishing critical race theory in the federal government.

00:12:38.000 I just said, what the hell?

00:12:40.000 Go for it.

00:12:41.000 Do it!

00:12:42.000 And then finish up the segment.

00:12:44.000 And I just had an intuition, a feeling.

00:12:46.000 I said, this hit.

00:12:51.000 Pulling back from 50 yards and hit the target.

00:12:54.000 And it worked.

00:12:56.000 And it worked!

00:12:57.000 And then the next morning, around 7 a.m., I'm up with my kids, you know, drinking coffee, and I get a call on my cell phone from a 202 number in D.C., right?

00:13:06.000 I say, okay, it worked.

00:13:08.000 Something happened.

00:13:10.000 Someone's calling me.

00:13:11.000 And then I get a call, and you know, I've said this before, so it's not really private information, and he says, you know, Christopher, this is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff.

00:13:19.000 I'm calling on behalf of the president.

00:13:21.000 You know, he saw your segment on Tucker Carlson.

00:13:23.000 He's tasked me to take immediate action.

00:13:25.000 Wow.

00:13:30.000 And then from there I thought, I don't know the bureaucratic process.

00:13:34.000 I think it's going to go through a process and a study committee and the typical DC process where they want to do something and then maybe six months later it happens.

00:13:44.000 Within 72 hours, the OMB director Russ Vought, who I saw today and is an amazing person, issued a letter basically saying, none of this ever again.

00:13:54.000 And then three weeks after that, the full executive order signed by the president.

00:13:58.000 Did this ban—so what did it ban specifically?

00:14:01.000 What did Trump ban?

00:14:02.000 So it's interesting.

00:14:03.000 It's thought of, I think accurately, as a ban on critical race theory trainings in the federal government.

00:14:09.000 But the executive order actually doesn't say critical race theory anywhere in it.

00:14:13.000 What they've done is really smart.

00:14:16.000 Instead of saying, ban critical race theory, well, what is critical race theory?

00:14:19.000 The critical race theorists and the kind of progressives who kind of espouse that ideology Um, change language at an amazingly rapid rate.

00:14:28.000 They, they throw up a term, you can't debate it, you can't talk about it, you can't think about it.

00:14:33.000 It's so fast.

00:14:34.000 And these languages, they burn, right? 0.99

00:14:36.000 Like they're going to toss up, you know, some, some new phrase, it's, it's, it's persuasive for a quick minute and then everyone hates it and then they just recycle it with something new.

00:14:47.000 So what they said is we're going to categorize divisive concepts.

00:14:50.000 And the divisive concepts are really simple.

00:14:52.000 You can't stereotype, scapegoat, or demean people on the basis of their sex or their race.

00:14:59.000 That's it.

00:14:59.000 That's already illegal.

00:15:01.000 That's already illegal.

00:15:03.000 It's already illegal, but they basically codified it within the executive agencies.

00:15:09.000 They gave a directive saying anything that falls under these divisive concepts, these categories of stereotyping, scapegoating, and demeaning.

00:15:16.000 And then they did something really brilliant.

00:15:17.000 They said, not only in the federal agencies and the military, but if you want to do business with the federal government, if you're a large corporation, most of them are large corporations, you can no longer do this anywhere in your business.

00:15:29.000 Because we don't want to work with people who stereotype, scapegoat, and demean.

00:15:34.000 So basically what they're getting rid of, it's like sending white people on retreats, I guess, was one of the things on your website. 0.77

00:15:42.000 They had all the white men go and deconstruct their stuff or identity or whatever.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:47.000 So one of the most kind of egregious examples was the Sandia National Laboratories.

00:15:51.000 This is the laboratory that designs our nuclear arsenal.

00:15:55.000 So this is a serious thing.

00:15:57.000 It's not like the Department of Dietary Guidelines somewhere deep in the health sector.

00:16:04.000 These people design our nukes that protect the United States of America.

00:16:08.000 This is a serious thing.

00:16:10.000 And they had basically from the directives from the very top, they had said, you know, we need to address our white privilege within the national laboratories.

00:16:20.000 And we've hired a diversity training firm.

00:16:23.000 Literally called this is the firm that contracted with the federal agency white men as full diversity partners and they specialize in and what they did for the for the for the trainers here they took white male executives they put him on a three day retreat at a kind of luxury resort in New Mexico And they set up this kind of grueling process where they were saying, you have to deconstruct your white male identity.

00:16:46.000 They put up on the board and had people kind of, they kind of fished for people to make associations and said, well, white male culture is associated with mass killings, the KKK, MAGA hats, white supremacy.

00:17:01.000 These are all of the kind of evils that are lurking within your identity to the top nuclear weapons engineers in the world.

00:17:10.000 And then we're going to spend the next three days deconstructing that identity and forcing you to confront your white privilege, your male privilege, your heterosexual privilege. 0.90

00:17:20.000 And then at the end of it, they had them write letters to these kind of imaginary women and people of color. 0.81

00:17:25.000 I don't remember where I was reading this.

00:17:28.000 Maybe you guys might remember where they were talking about the Chinese manipulation technique for POWs.

00:17:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:31.000 a part of these grown men, you know, being kind of bullied into writing, I am sorry for

00:17:36.000 my privilege.

00:17:37.000 It's embarrassing and it's completely outrageous.

00:17:40.000 I don't remember where I was reading this.

00:17:41.000 Maybe you guys might remember where they were talking about the Chinese manipulation technique

00:17:45.000 for POWs.

00:17:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:47.000 What they would do is they wouldn't ever have them come out and be extremely overt.

00:17:51.000 They would say, if you want to eat, you have to just simply write that the United States

00:17:55.000 Little things.

00:17:56.000 Little tiny things.

00:17:56.000 And they'd be like, oh, well, that's fine.

00:17:59.000 Of course it's not perfect.

00:18:00.000 Then the next time they would say, tell us one thing you wish you could change about the United States.

00:18:04.000 And that was the way they opened the door into getting them to saying, you know, well, I've already said that.

00:18:09.000 I can certainly say this.

00:18:11.000 And the amazing thing is that they do it with social pressure.

00:18:15.000 That's really the kind of most powerful part of this, is that if you don't comply, you are somehow bad, or you endorse some bad thing.

00:18:24.000 So people's fear, people, a lot of these folks in the government agencies are middle-aged people with families, waiting for a pension, they don't want to rock the boat, so they just do it, and as soon as, it's like a sales technique, hey man, you know, can I stop you for a second?

00:18:39.000 Sure.

00:18:40.000 As soon as you get the first yes, I've hooked you in.

00:18:43.000 You don't even need a yes.

00:18:43.000 That's like a sales technique from, you know, I did door-to-door sales when I was a teenager.

00:18:48.000 Like, they always get the first yes, right?

00:18:49.000 You don't need a yes.

00:18:50.000 You don't even need a yes.

00:18:51.000 I used to do street fundraising.

00:18:52.000 You know what I would do?

00:18:54.000 What?

00:18:54.000 So, they do these trainings for people on, like, how to stop people.

00:18:58.000 Hey, do you have a minute to talk about the environment?

00:19:00.000 No.

00:19:01.000 I don't do it.

00:19:01.000 You know what I would do?

00:19:02.000 I walk up and go, hey, and stick my hand out.

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:05.000 And they would immediately grab my hand and I'd shake it.

00:19:06.000 I'm here to talk to you about why you're... It's a physical yes.

00:19:09.000 Yeah.

00:19:09.000 As soon as they reach down to shake, and everyone does.

00:19:11.000 Every person will shake your hand.

00:19:13.000 They can't leave while you're shaking your hands.

00:19:15.000 And you got about 10 seconds and you say, now let me show you this.

00:19:18.000 And you put the clipboard in their hand.

00:19:19.000 It's the foundation of your success.

00:19:20.000 Yeah, man.

00:19:21.000 It's the strong handshake.

00:19:22.000 Yeah.

00:19:22.000 Well, it's not about strong.

00:19:24.000 It's that the really good fundraisers would say, Shake their hand and then before you're done, you're handing them the clipboard.

00:19:32.000 They grab it and now they're holding your stuff and do not take it back.

00:19:37.000 So you're like raising money for the environment or for Greenpeace?

00:19:39.000 Yeah, among many other companies.

00:19:42.000 And so this is it.

00:19:43.000 If they're holding your clipboard and they try giving it back to you, you just cross your arms or you don't want to cross your arms.

00:19:48.000 It's defensive.

00:19:49.000 So you just like hold your hands together and act like you don't realize what they're trying to do.

00:19:53.000 But it's very hard to not shake the hand.

00:19:56.000 And so if you're in a room with all of your peers and high status people and you're in a government agency and everyone says you have to get up and identify yourself as a white male and say that you're here to deconstruct your identity, it's very hard to just say, I'm going to sit down and I'm not going to do it.

00:20:13.000 And then the Critical Race series, to their credit, they've constructed the argument in a really ingenious way.

00:20:19.000 It's almost constructed like an intellectual mousetrap.

00:20:22.000 Where if you dissent, if you disagree, embedded in their argument, if you disagree, that's an admission of guilt.

00:20:29.000 So, oh, well, you don't agree with this?

00:20:32.000 Well, that's your white privilege.

00:20:34.000 Right. 0.99

00:20:34.000 That's your white fragility. 0.99

00:20:36.000 That's your internalized racial dominance or oppression.

00:20:40.000 So, they've created a category that is psychological in nature, that is new, that is distinct from old forms of manipulation and even unconscious bias, right?

00:20:50.000 I mean, what is unconscious bias?

00:20:52.000 Are they preferences?

00:20:53.000 Experiences?

00:20:54.000 Can you measure it?

00:20:55.000 Is it valid?

00:20:57.000 A lot of real questions about that.

00:20:58.000 But, you know, lost in that is we've moved from a society, to our credit, that has moved away from conscious bias, discrimination, and racism.

00:21:07.000 That's a part of the American history.

00:21:09.000 To now we're worried about deep in the recesses of your subconscious, is there some hidden preference that we can measure and try to change?

00:21:17.000 We're not doing, kind of, mind con— like, it's not even, like, behavior control.

00:21:22.000 It's a form of, kind of, social control.

00:21:25.000 It's a form of, kind of, deep, kind of, psychological conditioning, and it's no good.

00:21:30.000 There's a bunch of different things within it, but I'll say there's a couple things.

00:21:34.000 One, when you talk about the nuclear arsenal, it seems like a virus, like a computer virus, an idea virus, was infected in some people and is now demoralizing and crippling our ability to function as a nation.

00:21:46.000 Because you've got people who... How are we supposed to have a national defense if America is inherently racist and white people this, that, and that?

00:21:53.000 But the other thing I think is...

00:21:56.000 Well, I don't want to go as far as to say that this was intentionally done, but the general idea I'm bringing up is, if this is reaching so many different facets of our country, you have the partisan divide between, look, a lot of people have said the culture war is libertarian versus authoritarian, nationalist versus globalist, it could be woke versus anti-woke, I don't know, but I'll tell you this, if you have people Who believe in an ideology with no real structure.

00:22:26.000 It's just a chaotic, amorphous, destructive force.

00:22:30.000 And it's growing because people are scared to speak up against it.

00:22:33.000 Then it is spreading into our industries and eventually will just erode it like some kind of mold tearing away at the foundation.

00:22:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:41.000 I totally know what you mean, and it's interesting to see it in corporations, right?

00:22:45.000 I mean, you know, you're kind of classical Marxists. 0.75

00:22:49.000 If you told them, hey, your ideology that has been adapted over the generations and kind of transposed onto kind of modern conceptions of race will now be in the boardrooms of the major kind of technological and industrial corporations of the world, they'd look at you like you were completely insane.

00:23:07.000 But the thing is that I've talked to executives off the record, anonymously rather, who say, hey, what's going on?

00:23:14.000 Why is big tech companies, why are they just all in on this stuff?

00:23:19.000 And they said, because you can't say no.

00:23:22.000 98% of people in my workforce don't care.

00:23:24.000 They don't want to deal with it.

00:23:25.000 It's like nerdy engineers and then business guys.

00:23:28.000 They don't want anything to do with this stuff.

00:23:30.000 They're apolitical, kind of at best.

00:23:32.000 But if you have even three or four people that are kind of committed ideologues that want to bring in and say, we need a diversity program.

00:23:39.000 Sounds good.

00:23:40.000 Diversity is good.

00:23:41.000 You know, fantastic.

00:23:44.000 And then they get kind of a foothold, and then you can't say no.

00:23:48.000 You don't want to be the executive that's saying, oh, we're not going to have a diversity program.

00:23:51.000 Red Bull did.

00:23:52.000 Red Bull did, but Red Bull is a kind of different company.

00:23:55.000 And Red Bull can operate in a different ownership structure, a different political culture.

00:24:00.000 And the fact is, a lot of our kind of most High growth companies in the United States are now physically rooted in prestige, very progressive cities.

00:24:11.000 And this is a defensive maneuver.

00:24:12.000 They're trying to buy... I mean, you know, in Seattle now, the new hockey arena sponsored by Bezos is now the climate change arena.

00:24:21.000 I mean, like, you know, so it's almost kind of like trying to buy some kind of peace.

00:24:28.000 And you know what's not going to work?

00:24:29.000 You know what I think is happening with this critical race theory stuff?

00:24:33.000 At least as it pertains to this kind of general wokeness that, you know, people like the progressives use.

00:24:39.000 It's not really, in my opinion, there's not really any real core ideology behind it.

00:24:44.000 There's just like kind of bits and pieces and fragments that are duct-taped together to give them something they can claim is an ideology.

00:24:53.000 And the reason I say this is you can see them contradict themselves, change definitions, And every other day, it's like, oh, well, what I said the other day, you don't understand because you're racist or you're wrong.

00:25:04.000 They change everything over and over again.

00:25:06.000 And what I see what they're actually doing is you have individuals who are simply asserting their power and demanding it, and they won't back down.

00:25:14.000 So it's almost like, you know how a pecking order works with chickens?

00:25:18.000 You put all the chickens, all the hens in the space, and then they like figure out which one's in charge.

00:25:22.000 They did an experiment where they decided to take what they called super chickens.

00:25:25.000 These were the hens that like were the dominant of the pack. 1.00

00:25:28.000 They took all the super chickens from different packs, put them together, guess what happened?

00:25:31.000 They all pecked each other to death. 0.92

00:25:33.000 They didn't give up.

00:25:34.000 The reason why I'm telling you this, when I see people who are like posting things on Facebook and they're saying all this woke stuff and they're white, what I do is to try to communicate with them is a basic general communication technique where I will find something we agree on, Racism is bad.

00:25:54.000 And then I will take their ideology and use it and demand that they submit to their own ideas.

00:26:01.000 They will not do it.

00:26:02.000 Showing that their only real intention is to be the super chicken pecking everyone down. 0.72

00:26:08.000 So an example of this would be a white person.

00:26:11.000 I just saw this exchange on Facebook.

00:26:13.000 A white person said in a post, if you are friends with a black person, but you don't know their pain, then you're not really friends with that black person. 0.61

00:26:22.000 And a mixed race black person responded with, excuse me? 0.67

00:26:26.000 I don't need a white person telling me about my life and my experiences. 0.93

00:26:30.000 I certainly don't need them fighting on my behalf.

00:26:32.000 I've dealt with enough racism from both sides.

00:26:34.000 And then this person started arguing with them.

00:26:36.000 You don't understand anything you're talking about.

00:26:38.000 Clearly showing they don't really believe in an ideology.

00:26:42.000 So I've engaged in conversations like this where I'll say, you know, things like, this is really great, thank you for fighting against racism, we all agree it's bad, it's so important.

00:26:49.000 Now, as I am the underprivileged in this conversation, I would appreciate, what would really be helpful in mending these things is if you would agree to do this, no, F you, you're racist, I'm in charge.

00:27:03.000 I would disagree with you on two points.

00:27:05.000 One is, I think it is a very rigorously refined and structured ideology that is coherent and has been well articulated for a long time, and we can go over the kind of lineage of it.

00:27:18.000 But just to mention, I'm referring to the general street walking.

00:27:21.000 I mean the generous three people on anything man you'd be like right, you know, so many people are there you could

00:27:26.000 ask Yeah, what I mean specifically is not the Robin D'angelo's

00:27:29.000 who are writing a book Yeah

00:27:31.000 Putting these things out the regular people who are these activists who think they're they're pushing this ideology

00:27:35.000 are actually just trying to demand You bow to them dude. I have this experience where I was

00:27:40.000 trying to convince 2016 I was trying to tell my friends in LA I tell him about

00:27:43.000 Hillary Clinton's emails and I was like, dude Look at the he really loved Hillary

00:27:47.000 She's it's her time me and it's her time and I'm like dude Look at what she had with Sidney Blumenthal.

00:27:51.000 I was like laying it out for him And he was just building and getting angrier and angrier and then all sudden he started screaming at me It's just your white privilege Ian.

00:27:58.000 You've got white privilege and he'd never we've been friends for like a decade He'd never mentioned anything like that was somewhere deep inside of it He was screaming and I didn't know what to say.

00:28:05.000 I was like, I'm not racist No, no, no.

00:28:07.000 It was an attempt to just, I win.

00:28:10.000 I'm in charge.

00:28:11.000 Bend to me.

00:28:11.000 It was like a weird, irrational power play.

00:28:15.000 It's a power play, yeah.

00:28:18.000 But that's actually, and this is a really important point to understand.

00:28:22.000 That is actually something that is very much in line with their ideology.

00:28:25.000 It's actually an expression of their ideology.

00:28:27.000 The critical race theorists in the foundational text of the 1990s explicitly reject objectivity.

00:28:33.000 So it's actually not a contradiction of their ideology to say, well, you know, that's that, this is this.

00:28:38.000 Who knows?

00:28:39.000 It's not objective, but my personal narrative No, no, no.

00:28:43.000 My lived experience.

00:28:44.000 My lived experience, right.

00:28:45.000 They love adding unnecessary adjectives that sound small.

00:28:48.000 Yes, I know.

00:28:48.000 My lived experience.

00:28:50.000 Oh, my lived experience.

00:28:51.000 Oh, what happened to my experience?

00:28:53.000 Right, right.

00:28:54.000 But, um, no, but it really is.

00:28:56.000 And because they argue, and much like Marx argued, is that, you know, we have created these systems like democracy, like the Constitution, like private property, like liberalism, like civil rights even.

00:29:07.000 But those are simply camouflage for naked power and domination.

00:29:13.000 And we have to dismiss those kind of false structures of freedom and equality and boil the world down to simple power relations.

00:29:20.000 So whatever you do, expressing your power, calling you a white privileged guy, Or shutting your friend down even if he's mixed race on Facebook or whatever it is, is justified ideologically because they've rejected objective truth. 0.64

00:29:37.000 They've rejected kind of what they would call traditional theory.

00:29:40.000 They've rejected norms.

00:29:43.000 And then in a world where there's nothing but power, everything is justified.

00:29:48.000 Yes.

00:29:49.000 I think I think if you look at everything they've written, they've created, I guess what people refer to as a Kafka trap.

00:29:57.000 No matter what you do, you're it.

00:30:00.000 If you reject that you're racist, it proves you're racist.

00:30:03.000 But it really does feel like none of what they're saying actually makes sense.

00:30:08.000 Like when they call Ben Shapiro an orthodox Jew and Nazi, and when they call Candace Owens a black woman, a white supremacist, any regular person sitting down, I'm just gonna imagine there's like some guy, He's sitting in a chair having a coffee with his eyes half closed, just not really caring about the world, and he's got his phone and he's looking. 0.95

00:30:24.000 And then he sees across the street Candace Owens, a black woman, and some white guy goes, you're a white supremacist! 0.94

00:30:30.000 And that guy thinks, what the? 0.70

00:30:33.000 That's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, like this person is deranged.

00:30:37.000 Did you see this is really funny video? 0.73

00:30:39.000 I shouldn't call it funny, but there's a black guy holding a Trump flag and a white guy wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt yelling at him.

00:30:46.000 Yeah, amazing.

00:30:48.000 But it doesn't matter, psychologically it doesn't matter, because even if it's totally absurd to the general public, you live in a world where you have a limited number of social connections, maybe 200 social connections on average a person.

00:31:02.000 So if the people that are actually meaningful to you, or even weirder, the people who are in your Twitter mentions, if you're not kind of steeled to it, at this point you're steeled to it, you don't care what people say, But most people, for them, if you get mobbed on Twitter, the first time it happened to me, it was terrifying.

00:31:18.000 Right.

00:31:18.000 It's awful.

00:31:18.000 I'll admit it.

00:31:19.000 It's terrible.

00:31:20.000 And you feel like, oh my God, you feel like your life is over.

00:31:22.000 You feel like, you know, it's really it's an ephemeral thing.

00:31:25.000 But psychologically, you feel like it's the end of the world.

00:31:28.000 And that's why it's effective.

00:31:30.000 It's very effective, even if it's totally logically absurd.

00:31:34.000 Are you familiar with the meme where there's like two women and they see something and they go like, like this really nasty face and the guy behind him starts going like, that's how I feel about like Twitter and stuff.

00:31:45.000 Explain who's the woman, who's the guy?

00:31:47.000 Regular people are the women who like see all the tweets and go like, oh, what's happening? 0.96

00:31:52.000 And I'm the guy who's like, everyone's tweeting at me and I'm like, yeah, totally.

00:31:56.000 You know what, man?

00:31:57.000 You have to get there.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, you have to get there.

00:31:59.000 I've been on the internet my whole life, you know?

00:32:01.000 And I think there are people who are trolls on the internet who've never cared.

00:32:06.000 In fact, they revel in the attention when people are coming after them.

00:32:09.000 But you are correct in how it works.

00:32:12.000 But what people don't realize is that one person can do it with sock puppet accounts.

00:32:17.000 So you're familiar with sock puppetry?

00:32:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:19.000 Let's say you're a bakery and you made an American flag cupcakes for the 4th of July.

00:32:24.000 And then all of a sudden, on Twitter, you get 50 notifications.

00:32:28.000 Your phone's going... And you're like, this has never happened to you before.

00:32:32.000 You don't get this.

00:32:33.000 And you look and they're like, I can't believe you would do this.

00:32:36.000 Indigenous people, you are offended. 1.00

00:32:38.000 I can't believe it.

00:32:39.000 There are migrants in this country.

00:32:40.000 That flag is a symbol of hatred.

00:32:42.000 And then you're like, well, I'm getting inundated by all these people.

00:32:45.000 To you, seeing an endless feed of all these people saying F U U racist feels like everyone.

00:32:52.000 But it is but a handful of people.

00:32:54.000 It's like one sad lonely guy.

00:32:57.000 Did you see that video of the guy with all the cell phones?

00:33:00.000 He's got like 60 of them and he's like doing all this.

00:33:04.000 The click farmers will have a wall of phones and they walk up and they go swipe, enter, swipe, enter, swipe, enter.

00:33:09.000 It reminds me of this, the family, I think it was Family Guy.

00:33:12.000 They, uh, Peter Griffin, he's like doing his public access show and it's really offensive.

00:33:16.000 And then the FCC is like, we've received seven phone calls.

00:33:20.000 And of course that translates to 700 billion people.

00:33:23.000 Like something like that.

00:33:25.000 Like they just extrapolate.

00:33:27.000 Regular people see a small handful and it feels like everyone and they bend immediately.

00:33:33.000 Even having one of my good friends.

00:33:34.000 And you can't blame them.

00:33:35.000 I mean, you really have to feel sympathy for somebody.

00:33:37.000 Nah, nah, I'm sorry.

00:33:37.000 He's like, I'm a pizza owner.

00:33:39.000 I don't know what's happening.

00:33:40.000 It's very frightening.

00:33:42.000 Obviously, I hope that they don't.

00:33:43.000 And I think that over time, as a culture, we're kind of adapting to this, so it's becoming more diffuse.

00:33:48.000 But, you know, you have to understand it, at least.

00:33:51.000 There's two ways we can go with it.

00:33:53.000 The wokest gain control, and everyone just is terrified and living underneath the boot, worried that they'll say something wrong. 1.00

00:34:01.000 And so they just, they don't realize That everyone feels the same way as they do.

00:34:06.000 That would be a scary reality.

00:34:08.000 Where I would like this to go is that people become calloused.

00:34:11.000 And then they start saying, go F yourself!

00:34:14.000 Someone walks in their store and says, I couldn't help but notice that you have a poster in your window.

00:34:19.000 Oh yeah?

00:34:19.000 You want me to put up two of them?

00:34:21.000 So basically we need to like adopt the Queen's mindset across the United States, you know?

00:34:25.000 Just don't care.

00:34:26.000 And I think you're right, but I think there's another dynamic that's really important to establish.

00:34:30.000 It's that in a kind of culture war, let's say, that's the metaphor obviously, it's not a real war, but you need to have kind of arms parity.

00:34:41.000 So you need to have kind of an equivalent kind of destructive power on both sides so that there's some kind of negotiated truce to recreate a kind of middle.

00:34:51.000 Because right now You're wasting your time.

00:34:55.000 Anyone, if you're arguing with your friend on Facebook about politics and they're at that point, there's actually not a point of dialogue that's possible.

00:35:02.000 That's gone.

00:35:02.000 You're wasting your time.

00:35:03.000 They're wasting their time.

00:35:05.000 You have to understand when dialogue is possible, when it's not.

00:35:08.000 But when you have two political movements or political cultures that can come to some kind of truce or some kind of parity or some kind of sense of, well, I'm not going to go on the attack right now because I'll get it just as bad.

00:35:22.000 Then you create the possibility of a kind of a battlefield turns into some common ground.

00:35:27.000 And I think that's important.

00:35:28.000 And frankly, the progressives are still much stronger on this stuff.

00:35:34.000 And the conservatives find themselves, oh, you know, where are my tax cuts?

00:35:38.000 I think you're right about there not being dialogue, but there's certainly ways to de-radicalize people who are this entrenched.

00:35:45.000 Unfortunately, it just requires a level of Manipulation and deception, most people don't have the skill to actually perform or wouldn't want to due to, I don't know, perhaps scruples or something.

00:35:55.000 Like Daryl Davis?

00:35:56.000 No, Daryl Davis was unable.

00:35:58.000 So, are you familiar with Daryl Davis?

00:36:00.000 I don't, no.

00:36:00.000 Daryl Davis is one of the coolest guys ever.

00:36:02.000 So cool.

00:36:03.000 He is a jazz musician and I think, is it blues or jazz?

00:36:06.000 I think it's blues.

00:36:07.000 Blues.

00:36:07.000 Geez, I think they're the same kind of music.

00:36:08.000 Maybe I'm crazy.

00:36:09.000 Blues and jazz.

00:36:09.000 I don't know why.

00:36:10.000 I think he's a blues musician and he's a middle-aged black man.

00:36:14.000 He said one day, I don't want to ruin his story, but he saw a story about the Klan and he thought, how can these guys hate me if they've never met me?

00:36:24.000 And so he went to a Klan rally and talked to these guys and actually ended up hanging out.

00:36:31.000 One of his best stories, because I did a speaking event, he was the headliner.

00:36:36.000 He said there was one guy who was in the Klan and, you know, Daryl's a musician.

00:36:41.000 He's got friends, he's got connections.

00:36:42.000 Turns out this Klan guy was a big rock and roll fan.

00:36:45.000 So he said, there's like this famous car from this famous rock star.

00:36:48.000 He's like, oh yeah, I know who's got it.

00:36:50.000 I can get you in it.

00:36:51.000 You can sit down.

00:36:52.000 And this guy was like, What?

00:36:54.000 And then he was like, he brings this Klan guy out to this museum or whatever to see this famous, you know, hot rod or whatever. 0.89

00:36:59.000 And the Klan guy hugs him.

00:37:01.000 And this guy, like, that was it.

00:37:03.000 As soon as he realized, you know, everything he was being taught wasn't true.

00:37:06.000 He said that there was... I'm gonna ask you, does Daryl Davis come from a faith background?

00:37:13.000 I don't know.

00:37:14.000 Yeah.

00:37:14.000 I don't know.

00:37:14.000 That's a good question.

00:37:16.000 There was one guy he said that he would hang out with him and the guy was still very much in the Klan until one day he was at a rally and they were saying things and he went, that doesn't describe Daryl.

00:37:25.000 And then he was just like, this doesn't make sense.

00:37:26.000 But here's the best part.

00:37:28.000 We put on a speaking event near my house in the Philadelphia area, a few miles from it.

00:37:34.000 And Antifa from way further out.

00:37:38.000 Told the press we won't allow them to come to our neighborhood, and I was like, it's my neighborhood!

00:37:41.000 I live here!

00:37:42.000 Threatened to burn the theater down.

00:37:45.000 So the theater kicks us out, but we still had an event planned across the street for the after party, and we refused.

00:37:52.000 Like, if we can go, we're gonna go.

00:37:53.000 And I was like, I'll tell you what, if we get banned from both venues, I will march down that street.

00:37:58.000 But the bar across the street was like, dude, we're not backing down. 0.94

00:38:02.000 Like, this is ridiculous.

00:38:03.000 Like, Daryl's awesome. 0.97

00:38:05.000 Why would they try and get this guy banned?

00:38:06.000 He's literally converting Klansmen.

00:38:10.000 But wait, you ready for this?

00:38:13.000 We have the after party, and protesters showed up.

00:38:17.000 Local police had to seal off the street and escort us in.

00:38:22.000 We go inside, and Daryl's there, and I meet him, I'm like, you know, or I met him at the event, but I was like, good to see you, glad you came.

00:38:28.000 And, you know, he asked me about the protesters.

00:38:31.000 He goes out to talk to the protesters as a black man, and do you know what they called him?

00:38:37.000 Oh, I don't, I really, I want to know, but I don't want to know.

00:38:40.000 Tell me.

00:38:40.000 You know, four letter word starts with the, starts with N. What?

00:38:45.000 Called him a Nazi.

00:38:47.000 And he made a post on Facebook about it, explaining how he's been able to meet with and talk with Klan members and white supremacists and de-radicalize over 200 just by trying to understand them and talk to them. 0.57

00:38:59.000 And that when he approached these people, they just started yelling and calling him Nazi and white supremacist.

00:39:04.000 And he was shocked.

00:39:05.000 Dude, this troubles me.

00:39:07.000 It's like most people have really not walked the walk, right?

00:39:13.000 This guy, de-radicalizing 200 Klansmen, has probably done more to fight actual white supremacy than anyone in the country. 1.00

00:39:21.000 It wasn't just a bunch of random morons being like, dude, you're a Nazi. 0.99

00:39:29.000 A lot of them were. 1.00

00:39:29.000 But some of them know who he is. 1.00

00:39:31.000 They knew who he was.

00:39:33.000 And they said, you were friends with Nazis. 0.97

00:39:35.000 You're a Nazi. 0.93

00:39:35.000 Oh, okay. 0.93

00:39:36.000 The association.

00:39:37.000 Yep.

00:39:38.000 So there were, I think, a couple of the higher-profile activists who were organizing it.

00:39:42.000 They were like, we know you, Daryl.

00:39:43.000 We know you hang out with Nazis. 0.98

00:39:44.000 I still think his method is good in that if you try and interact with them on the street, they're going to come at you with the mob mentality.

00:39:51.000 But if you get them one-on-one, it's a little easier to do Daryl's method, his methodology.

00:39:56.000 Not Daryl.

00:39:57.000 So the tactics and techniques of this are not just in the ideology and the literature.

00:40:05.000 It's also in the activist organizing, which is, don't allow your activists to speak to anyone.

00:40:11.000 And I'm not exaggerating.

00:40:12.000 This is a tried and true leftist tactic they use at almost all of their protests.

00:40:17.000 It's a programming technique.

00:40:18.000 For sure.

00:40:19.000 During Occupy Wall Street, they would actually tell everyone.

00:40:22.000 They would say, okay everyone, we're gonna, you know, do a march.

00:40:24.000 If anyone tries talking to you, just chant them down.

00:40:27.000 Don't let them speak.

00:40:28.000 They're gonna lie.

00:40:29.000 I was in San Bernardino for a protest.

00:40:32.000 It was a bunch of Trump people were like waving flags, so Antifa shows up.

00:40:36.000 I walk across the street and there was a group of people wearing all black and black block.

00:40:41.000 And I was like, I was like, hey, how's it going?

00:40:42.000 Like, anybody want to tell me just like what's going on?

00:40:45.000 I'm just... And then all of a sudden a woman goes, don't talk to him! 1.00

00:40:48.000 Mic check!

00:40:50.000 And they all start chanting mic check.

00:40:52.000 It's a thing they do.

00:40:52.000 They're actually barking at people now.

00:40:54.000 Have you seen these videos on Twitter?

00:40:55.000 Literally?

00:40:56.000 Literally barking like dogs, like a group of people.

00:40:59.000 It's like...

00:41:00.000 The goal is... It's so strange.

00:41:01.000 They have a thing that's been around for a while.

00:41:03.000 It's called mic check.

00:41:04.000 The people's mic.

00:41:05.000 Are you familiar with it?

00:41:06.000 I'm not, yeah.

00:41:07.000 So one person yells mic check, and then everyone else in the crowd yells mic check back.

00:41:11.000 Okay.

00:41:12.000 They say the technique was developed to make it so that if you can't use amplification, by having everyone repeat the words, everyone can hear.

00:41:21.000 It's actually a programming technique.

00:41:22.000 So we talked about this the other day with Jack Murphy.

00:41:27.000 I had coffee with Jack.

00:41:28.000 So Jack mentioned that when they force you to say something, it's rewiring your brain to try and get you to say it, right?

00:41:35.000 It's part of the struggle sessions.

00:41:37.000 The people's mic is literally that.

00:41:39.000 Dude, they did it at Occupy Wall Street and then so I went up to speak and I was like, nah.

00:41:43.000 I just screamed at everyone in the crowd as loud as I could.

00:41:46.000 No mic check.

00:41:46.000 It's overrode the system.

00:41:48.000 So the idea is if you say mic check and they say mic check and you say all cops and they

00:41:52.000 go all cops are bad and they yell are bad, you're making them say it over and over again.

00:41:58.000 All cops are bad.

00:42:00.000 And so it's wiring their brain as they say it and they see it and they believe it.

00:42:03.000 I mean it's how you teach children.

00:42:05.000 It's how you teach kindergartners the alphabet and the states and any kind of rote memorization that structures grammar in their brains, structures reading, literacy.

00:42:14.000 I mean, it's the same principle applied to, unfortunately, grown adults.

00:42:20.000 Let me ask you, man.

00:42:22.000 You go on Tucker, you say all this stuff, Donald Trump, we're going to get it done.

00:42:26.000 What do you think would happen if Hillary Clinton was president? 1.00

00:42:31.000 Well, I certainly wouldn't have been dumb enough to call on the president to abolish Critical Race Theory. 0.73

00:42:36.000 But you'd still have to.

00:42:38.000 No, because you don't want to make those kind of asks unless you think there's some chance of it happening.

00:42:44.000 Otherwise, you're wasting your time, and I don't think it's appropriate.

00:42:50.000 The posture at that time, when you're in the minority, is very different than when you have a friendly administration.

00:42:59.000 People kind of upset at me about it and blah blah blah Trump.

00:43:02.000 It's like, I didn't even vote for Trump in 2016.

00:43:05.000 I voted third party.

00:43:06.000 I wasn't into either major party candidate.

00:43:10.000 But I will say now, and kind of in retrospect, maybe made the wrong decision, because frankly, not only would Hillary Clinton not have done this at all, but none of the other people in the Republican primary in 2016 would have done it either.

00:43:25.000 Right.

00:43:26.000 A President Jeb Bush would say, oof, racial issues?

00:43:30.000 Get me out the door as far away from this stuff as possible. 0.96

00:43:33.000 I'm going to hide under the table and suck on a pacifier.

00:43:36.000 I mean, this is like, It would have been a funny presidency. 0.99

00:43:39.000 Could you imagine a pathetic and weak inept Bush trying to start wars? 0.99

00:43:50.000 Please go to war. 0.99

00:43:51.000 And that's the other thing too, and honestly from my own perspective about the president, You know, that was a fear of mine.

00:43:56.000 In the 2016 campaign, it's Donald Trump is reckless.

00:43:59.000 He's the chaos candidate.

00:44:01.000 They had all these beautiful linguistic instructions.

00:44:04.000 The 3 a.m.

00:44:04.000 phone call and all of these kind of ideas that were meant to sow doubt in your mind during the campaign.

00:44:09.000 And it worked.

00:44:10.000 And I was saying, oof, this guy, I don't know, no political experience, you know, fighting.

00:44:14.000 And I mean, you know, You have a guy who you think would be waging war in the Middle East, if you'd listen, and he actually made peace in the Middle East.

00:44:22.000 It's extraordinary.

00:44:23.000 His first couple of years were not so good.

00:44:25.000 John Bolton was a mistake, but things have been improving a lot since he kind of took the reins back.

00:44:31.000 So, who do you think is going to win?

00:44:32.000 I don't know.

00:44:33.000 You know, I was in the White House today and meeting with some folks and, you know, it's tense anticipation, right?

00:44:39.000 Because their jobs are at stake.

00:44:40.000 I mean, it's a unique employment environment where if your guy loses the election, everyone loses their job.

00:44:47.000 But the spirits were actually pretty high.

00:44:49.000 People were excited.

00:44:50.000 People were making plans for next year.

00:44:52.000 So I don't think so.

00:44:54.000 And one person told me something very interesting.

00:44:56.000 He said, You know, this would require a major kind of polling science error that we've never had before.

00:45:04.000 I think so.

00:45:05.000 But during the Brexit process, Brexit was down, and I may not get this exactly right, this is coming second hand, but Brexit was down four points in the polling and won by four points.

00:45:16.000 Wow.

00:45:16.000 That's an eight-point swing from what they're telling me.

00:45:20.000 So, do you want Donald Trump to win?

00:45:22.000 I do.

00:45:23.000 I've got some good news for you.

00:45:24.000 You said it and nodded when you said it.

00:45:25.000 It was a Sullivan nod.

00:45:26.000 You're like, you want Donald Trump to win.

00:45:28.000 Say it with me.

00:45:29.000 Mic check.

00:45:30.000 Donald Trump must win.

00:45:32.000 So, I've got some good news.

00:45:33.000 I don't know what's going to happen, but I can tell you it's not so easy to say the polls are right.

00:45:40.000 In an interview with Politico, Robert Kahaley of Trafalgar Group said in 2016, first of all, they got the numbers right.

00:45:49.000 It was Trump 306 to Hillary 232.

00:45:51.000 And they're saying Trump is going to win now.

00:45:54.000 Helmut Norpoth is predicting Trump a 91% chance of winning with 362 electoral votes based on his primary tracking model, which has been correct 25 out of 27 times, more importantly.

00:46:06.000 If the pollsters corrected their mistakes from 2016, then we should have seen improvement in the midterms.

00:46:12.000 We didn't.

00:46:13.000 In Florida, they were off by four points.

00:46:17.000 They thought that DeSantis was going to lose.

00:46:21.000 He didn't.

00:46:22.000 They were wrong.

00:46:23.000 The polls were wrong again.

00:46:24.000 Nobody brings that up.

00:46:25.000 I was reading it today and I said, whoa, that should have been a huge thing.

00:46:29.000 And Trafalgar Group brings up something really interesting.

00:46:32.000 The conditions that made it so people were scared to admit they'd vote for Trump are a hundred times worse today than they were in 2015 or 16.

00:46:40.000 In 2016, the worst thing is that if you were voting for Trump, people would scowl at you.

00:46:46.000 Today, they'll come to your house, they'll throw a brick at you, they'll mob you at a restaurant.

00:46:51.000 Do you see what happened in New York with the Jews for Trump rally?

00:46:55.000 This wasn't Antifa who did this, okay?

00:46:58.000 Everybody says, oh, these Antifa and everything, and yes, there's problems with Antifa.

00:47:02.000 Regular progressive New Yorkers started throwing rocks and eggs at cars, and one person, I think it was a woman, went up to one of the vehicles and pepper-sprayed children.

00:47:13.000 The whole, the level of depravity from these people.

00:47:16.000 So I tell you, man, we're seeing a lot of people actually come out and wave their flags and march around and say, Trump, Trump.

00:47:22.000 I'll tell you this, I've had, I said, I just got some information from people I know back home in Chicago.

00:47:30.000 Shockingly alerting me to the fact that someone we know has just voted straight Republican, Donald Trump and down to Republican for the first time in their lives, and they couldn't believe it.

00:47:40.000 And I was like, no.

00:47:42.000 Look, I've got people I know in my life where I'm like, wow, I can't believe it.

00:47:47.000 They're voting Republican.

00:47:49.000 My friends and family are all Chicago, deep blue Chicago.

00:47:51.000 When I was like, I can't remember how old I was.

00:47:53.000 My family told me we're going to the polls today.

00:47:55.000 I said, who do I vote for?

00:47:56.000 Just vote Democrat for everyone.

00:47:58.000 Now I've got people hitting me up being like, dude, did you hear so-and-so?

00:48:01.000 I swear, they came over and they're like, dude, we're voting Trump and everybody.

00:48:04.000 And I'm like, these stories are real?

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 Because I saw a story on, I think it was the Donald's own website, thedonald.win, it's their own website, where someone was like, Yeah.

00:48:14.000 you know our our neighbors came over and told us that they for the first time

00:48:17.000 were voting for trump republicans and they had been democrats and they were worried

00:48:21.000 they said we were scared if we told them we're going for trump

00:48:24.000 they would be like really mad at us and scowl at us yeah and they came and

00:48:28.000 said we have to tell you like we're voting for trump and immediately the guys

00:48:30.000 like i'm getting the MAGA hats

00:48:33.000 out of the hidden place in the closet but i'll tell you a story like that

00:48:37.000 it shows you the fear the individual has to admit to his own neighbors he's

00:48:41.000 gonna vote for trump and the text message i got i'll tell you what i what what

00:48:44.000 what i've been told over and over over and over again by my friends

00:48:47.000 back in chicago is dude you can't tell anybody dude i'll lose my job

00:48:51.000 i'm not i'm you know it's really funny

00:48:53.000 Whenever I tell these stories, I get all these leftists commenting on my Twitter being like, Tim's making up stories again.

00:48:58.000 You don't want to believe it.

00:48:59.000 They don't want to believe it.

00:49:00.000 Look, Trump might lose, okay?

00:49:02.000 But it is true that this stuff's happening.

00:49:04.000 I got a friend I met during a Black Lives Matter protest in Ferguson.

00:49:10.000 For years.

00:49:10.000 2014 we met.

00:49:12.000 She's posting Black Lives Matter, Orange Matter, you know, and then finally when Trump comes around, she's tweeting like, I can't believe this, what is wrong with this country.

00:49:19.000 Now it's MAGA.

00:49:20.000 It's like, I saw her Twitter feed and I was like, this is nuts.

00:49:23.000 So I sent her a DM and I'm like, we met at a Black Lives Matter rally.

00:49:27.000 How are you posting, like, Go Donald Trump Jr.

00:49:30.000 Woohoo and MAGA 2020?

00:49:32.000 And she was like, dude, I started actually watching the videos.

00:49:35.000 I started actually reading what was going on.

00:49:37.000 And I was like, that's it?

00:49:38.000 The leftists desperately need to make sure that no one reads news outside of their echo chamber.

00:49:47.000 And that's why you get the likes of Brian Stelter when he went on, he did this episode a year or so ago where he's like, don't go and watch Fox News.

00:49:54.000 Don't watch The Spin.

00:49:55.000 Only come to us.

00:49:56.000 Or you get, I think it was Jake Tapper who was like, remember, you can't read WikiLeaks' emails.

00:50:00.000 You can only, only we're allowed to have them.

00:50:03.000 That's what they've been desperately trying to maintain.

00:50:06.000 And then you had Micah Brzezinski and MSNBC say, it's our job to tell people what to think or whatever.

00:50:11.000 Or control what people think.

00:50:13.000 That's what they rely on.

00:50:14.000 But if people do the research, then all of a sudden they're like, wait a minute.

00:50:18.000 Regarding culture war, like you were talking about earlier, I wanted to kind of ask you something about that.

00:50:23.000 The reason I brought up Daryl Davis earlier was because I see that as a way to counter this critical race side of the combat. 0.84

00:50:33.000 Do you have any ideas of how to combat that?

00:50:36.000 Yeah, I mean, you need to do two things.

00:50:38.000 One is that you need to call out the ideology for what it is, you need to expose it, and you need to shut it down.

00:50:43.000 So that's the kind of aggressive, kind of more offensive strategy.

00:50:48.000 But that's not really enough, right?

00:50:49.000 You also need to present an alternative model.

00:50:51.000 And the reason I ask this, you come from a faith background, is because the most successful stuff that I've seen is a different kind of epistemological model, a different kind of theoretical model, a different personal model.

00:51:05.000 It's a reconciliation model, and that comes from a religious background.

00:51:09.000 And I think the distinction we were talking about earlier between the kind of Martin Luther King vision and the critical race theory Black Lives Matter vision is a deep and profound division.

00:51:20.000 Because if you look at MLK, his work is amazing.

00:51:24.000 I mean, he's a preacher, right?

00:51:27.000 He's a Christian preacher.

00:51:28.000 So he comes from a really deep spiritual background and the civil rights movement was

00:51:33.000 largely driven in the black south by the black churches.

00:51:36.000 Uh, so they're coming from a Christian perspective that we're all created equally under God.

00:51:41.000 We're all kind of brothers in this, uh, all created in the image of God.

00:51:45.000 The second thing, and this is something a lot of people don't know is that Martin

00:51:48.000 Luther King was a deep student of American history and in a lot of ways,

00:51:52.000 revered the founding fathers, uh, Jefferson, even a Lincoln, and you read his, uh,

00:51:58.000 writing on this and it's it's it's actually Amazing, his essays.

00:52:02.000 And he basically says we're collecting on the promise of America.

00:52:07.000 And you can look even at Lincoln.

00:52:11.000 Lincoln saw himself as doing the kind of... Jefferson created the inspiration but was tragically flawed, couldn't do it in his lifetime or even in his personal life.

00:52:20.000 Lincoln saw himself as fulfilling that vision and then King saw himself as that kind of third step.

00:52:26.000 The critical race theorists, it's based in kind of German Marxism and atheism, it's a completely different intellectual lineage that goes back hundreds of years.

00:52:36.000 They're not compatible.

00:52:38.000 And I think in my life that, you know, I spent, I spent five years directing a documentary for PBS about the poorest American cities and the reconciliation model.

00:52:45.000 And in many ways, the faith-based model is one that works much better.

00:52:49.000 You know, what's really interesting is I had a similar conversation on one of our previous shows about the moral frameworks that we experience the world through.

00:52:57.000 And I think whether people realize it or not, most of Americans experience the world through a Christian or Judeo-Christian moral framework, even if they're not religious.

00:53:06.000 So, uh, the way I explain this, I was once, I'm chilling at my house, and I notice, I live in a dead-end street, it's like, on purpose.

00:53:13.000 And then I see people walking down my block, knocking on every door, and I'm like, I wonder what they're selling or preaching.

00:53:20.000 And then all of a sudden these two, like, you know, young teenage girls are knocking on my door.

00:53:24.000 And they were preaching.

00:53:25.000 They were there to spread the good word, and they had Bibles and stuff.

00:53:28.000 I don't know exactly which denomination they were.

00:53:30.000 They asked me if I had a minute to talk to them about Jesus Christ and all that, and I told them, I really respect and appreciate what you're doing.

00:53:37.000 I myself am not, you know, I'm not one for, you know, this theistic religion, but I will tell you a few words of praise I have for your religion.

00:53:45.000 Notably, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:53:49.000 Specifically, I think it's Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:53:51.000 I will not destroy the city if there is but one virtuous person.

00:53:54.000 That moral framework is the root of the Fifth Amendment.

00:53:59.000 Innocent until proven guilty and a right to a speedy trial.

00:54:02.000 From that idea we had a really, really long time ago, rooted in these values, we then created Blackstone's formulation.

00:54:09.000 Are you familiar with Blackstone's formulation?

00:54:11.000 I'm not.

00:54:11.000 It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent sufferer.

00:54:14.000 Great.

00:54:15.000 That protecting the innocent is more important than punishing the wicked.

00:54:19.000 From that, we've created a system that has one of the best justice systems in human existence.

00:54:27.000 I am not a Christian.

00:54:30.000 A lot of people seem to think I'm an atheist for some reason.

00:54:33.000 I don't know why that is.

00:54:33.000 You're neither.

00:54:34.000 No, I believe in God.

00:54:35.000 I do.

00:54:36.000 But I just don't believe in... I grew up Catholic, briefly.

00:54:40.000 I don't believe in scripture and stuff like that.

00:54:44.000 But I do believe in God.

00:54:46.000 It would be a much longer moral and philosophical conversation I'd have with someone.

00:54:49.000 But I'm not an atheist.

00:54:51.000 I don't think agnostic is the right word.

00:54:53.000 But I started to realize Morality for many people in this country, we understand these values.

00:55:01.000 Like, if you ask the average person who's an atheist if they know what sin is, they will say, of course, in a religious context. 0.93

00:55:08.000 But if you go to, say, you know, China and ask them, they're gonna be like, I don't know what you mean.

00:55:14.000 Unless they've actually studied, you know, Western religion, they have a completely different religious structure, a different moral framework for how they view the world.

00:55:21.000 Critical race theory, the woke, all that stuff, doesn't exist within the same moral framework.

00:55:25.000 So like you said, it's a totally different line of thinking compared to the rest of us.

00:55:30.000 I wonder if that is the real split.

00:55:33.000 That even though I'm not religious at all, It's really interesting to see, you know, the old liberal arguments back in the day about religion versus, you know, Christianity, saying that, you know, I'd hear Christians say, without religion, then why don't you just go and commit X crime or whatever?

00:55:50.000 And then the liberals would say, like, you need religion to stop you from committing crimes?

00:55:53.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:55:54.000 Not realizing the only reason they feel that way is because they were raised on moral values that were rooted in the Bible.

00:56:01.000 So the way I always explain it is we want to keep the good and get rid of the bad.

00:56:04.000 And so when you look back at the history, I remember reading about the Fifth Amendment and why we have a right to a speedy trial, why we have a right to remain silent, why we're innocent until proven guilty, the presumption of innocence.

00:56:15.000 And then you start going down the rabbit hole.

00:56:17.000 Then it's like, well, the earlier ideas of Blackstone's formulation, actually Benjamin Franklin said it's better than 100 guilty persons escape.

00:56:24.000 And then I go back even further and then I read Blackstone's formulation was actually from the Bible.

00:56:29.000 It was the story that God would not destroy the city if there was but one righteous person because you could not hurt that innocent.

00:56:36.000 And it's interesting because then this is in line with deontological philosophy.

00:56:42.000 An immoral act against one is an immoral act you can't commit versus utilitarianism, which I think now we start getting into the philosophical conversation of critical race theorists seem to be utilitarian.

00:56:52.000 Oof, yeah.

00:56:54.000 Kill a hundred people to save a thousand, whereas the rest of us are more deontological. 1.00

00:56:58.000 Kill a hundred people to save one good person. 0.99

00:57:01.000 It's the trolley problem on steroids. 0.90

00:57:07.000 For most of us, you're familiar with the trolley problem, I'd imagine.

00:57:11.000 For those that aren't familiar, the idea is You've got a train coming, and it splits into two tracks where there's five people and one person, and it's gonna kill five people unless you pull the lever.

00:57:21.000 But if you do, you'll kill that one person.

00:57:23.000 Do you do it?

00:57:25.000 And that's showing you the difference between deontology versus utilitarianism, which is, will you act that will kill one person?

00:57:34.000 It could save people.

00:57:36.000 And then the utilitarian is, kill the one person, save the five.

00:57:39.000 And it's kind of a, you know, the trolley problem. 0.76

00:57:40.000 There's a bunch of other really interesting ones.

00:57:42.000 I really like that meme where it's like, it's one track and there's a hundred people.

00:57:46.000 And it's like, you can stop the train at any time, but it would cut corporate profits.

00:57:50.000 You know, anyway, I digress.

00:57:52.000 I think that we might be seeing that route where we really have utilitarians.

00:57:56.000 They don't care about you.

00:57:57.000 They don't care about your life.

00:57:59.000 They don't care about if you suffer.

00:58:00.000 They care about the collective.

00:58:03.000 So, maximizing what they view as good, and then the scary thing is, who is actually in control of what is good and what is bad, you know?

00:58:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of times we get in trouble because people say, well, it's just racial sensitivity training, or, well, it's just that, you know, it's important to look at human life and society through the lens of race.

00:58:23.000 These very naive and kind of very nice sounding, very simple formulations.

00:58:28.000 I mean, that's true, but If you look at the actual beliefs, and the papers, and the books, and all the studies from the Critical Race Theorists, I mean, they're very clear in what they believe.

00:58:38.000 And they basically say the system of individual rights, the system of private property, the system of equality under the law, the system of non-discrimination, all of those things are used to justify collective inequalities.

00:58:53.000 And we need to basically get rid of those things, the Constitution that you're talking about, the justice system that you're talking about, all of those complex moral questions that we've been answering for thousands of years.

00:59:05.000 And they basically say, we have the new answer.

00:59:08.000 And the amazing thing is that it always comes back to a kind of very utilitarian, very economic formulation.

00:59:14.000 It's always redistribution of wealth and property.

00:59:18.000 They can't get out of that. And you read the papers, you're like, okay, think it

00:59:22.000 through the lens of race. All right, great. You know, whiteness as property. All right. 0.98

00:59:25.000 That's kind of strange. But then the end of it is like the only solution is to

00:59:29.000 get rid of the Constitution and redistribute a kind of wealth along

00:59:33.000 these lines. But so I think that the race theorist is quite interesting because at

00:59:38.000 the end of the day, underneath the critical race theory is critical theory

00:59:42.000 is Marxism.

00:59:44.000 And a lot of people will beat up on you about that and say, that's not true, you just think everything's Marxism.

00:59:48.000 But the dichotomy, the kind of dynamic that they describe is oppressor and oppressed.

00:59:55.000 It used to be the bourgeois and the proletariat.

00:59:57.000 America has a large middle class.

00:59:59.000 We have amazing technology.

01:00:00.000 We have happy citizens for the most part, very affluent, very progressive in the mindset of technology and wealth.

01:00:09.000 They said, oh, that's not going to ever work.

01:00:10.000 We can never have kind of the proletariat revolution overthrow the bourgeoisie.

01:00:15.000 We need to rethink about this.

01:00:17.000 And then they said, let's graft identity politics onto that Marxist dichotomy of oppressed and oppressed.

01:00:23.000 Instead of bourgeoisie and proletariat, we have black and white or black people of color. 0.99

01:00:27.000 Because race is two things.

01:00:29.000 One, it's malleable.

01:00:30.000 It's abstract.

01:00:31.000 You can make it into anything that you want.

01:00:34.000 And two, it's extremely emotional.

01:00:36.000 It has a just raw emotional power.

01:00:39.000 And they're saying we can harness that power much more than class-based interests.

01:00:44.000 And that's where we are today.

01:00:45.000 You know what I like asking people?

01:00:47.000 I usually don't go beyond this because I just like to see what their reaction is.

01:00:51.000 I have friends who are very woke.

01:00:52.000 And I usually, you know, I have a lot of friends from back home.

01:00:55.000 And when they're preaching all this woke stuff, I'll message them and say, I have a question, if you don't mind.

01:01:01.000 Do you agree with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.' 's dream?

01:01:05.000 And they always say, of course.

01:01:08.000 And then I say, so do you believe we should judge people on the content of their character and not the color of their skin?

01:01:13.000 And then their mind breaks.

01:01:15.000 Why would they say no to that? 0.96

01:01:16.000 Because they just started posting a tirade on Facebook about how white is bad or whiteness is property and white privilege.

01:01:23.000 And then my response to that is, do you agree with Dr. King? 0.68

01:01:26.000 Well, of course you're supposed to.

01:01:27.000 It's acceptable.

01:01:28.000 So the reason I bring this up is it's not about your ideology.

01:01:34.000 It's about how people are basically saying whatever they think is socially acceptable.

01:01:38.000 However, it is socially unacceptable to say you disagree with Dr. King.

01:01:42.000 But you can't agree with him and critical race theory at the same time.

01:01:45.000 It's not possible.

01:01:47.000 Right now, they have created this amazing system where you actually have two jigsaw pieces that don't fit together, smashed together, and then wrapped in duct tape to make it work because they simultaneously hold two ideas in their head.

01:01:59.000 And it's amazing that they can actually be posting about how they want to judge people, everyone on the color of their skin, while agreeing with Dr. King they shouldn't do it.

01:02:08.000 Because it is both socially unacceptable for you to reject either of these ideas.

01:02:13.000 You can judge people on their genetics.

01:02:16.000 Genetics are a code that read a certain amount of information.

01:02:21.000 So if you want to acknowledge that information, it's defined as that.

01:02:24.000 What do you mean, judge them on that?

01:02:26.000 Just say it is X, Y, Z. It is a one on this scale, a two on this scale.

01:02:30.000 But judge them?

01:02:31.000 Yeah.

01:02:31.000 By putting it on a graph.

01:02:33.000 If you want to say, this DNA reads G... I don't know what the DNA... I'm not much into molecular science, but... If you want to list their gene code... But what do you mean by judge them?

01:02:43.000 By judge it, you would be listing their gene code on a piece of paper.

01:02:45.000 You don't mean judge them.

01:02:46.000 Well, that's a form of judgment.

01:02:48.000 Writing something down on a piece of paper is a form of judging an idea.

01:02:51.000 It's a form of judgment.

01:02:52.000 You've decided this is what it is.

01:02:54.000 And you could do that about every race and every genetic code of every human.

01:02:57.000 So...

01:02:58.000 We're different.

01:02:59.000 We're all genetically different.

01:03:01.000 That's not what they mean by judging someone based on their race.

01:03:03.000 Unfortunately, I think they take a more superficial thing.

01:03:07.000 And it's like, if I see a color, then I associate it with this.

01:03:11.000 What do you mean?

01:03:13.000 Like they're judging based on the color, the skin color, as opposed to just making acknowledgements about what the genetics are.

01:03:19.000 Yeah, our genetics are different.

01:03:20.000 It's good.

01:03:21.000 You know, variety is the soul of the future.

01:03:23.000 It's what we, you know, it makes our immune system stronger.

01:03:27.000 Well, that's actually offensive, too.

01:03:30.000 To them.

01:03:31.000 You can't talk about that.

01:03:33.000 Race is a social construct.

01:03:34.000 I mean, there's interesting points we made about the idea of it being a social construct.

01:03:38.000 Because we talked about this the other day with this leftist guy.

01:03:41.000 And ideas like, if you have, say, an albino black person, that person still probably, or may, identify as black.

01:03:50.000 And many people still might look at them and say they're black.

01:03:53.000 But then you can have actual people like Rachel Dolezal who are literally white but change their hair and then people just believe they're black. 0.99

01:03:58.000 So there are, you know, weird social constructs and assumptions being made about race or whatever.

01:04:03.000 But I think that actually, in my opinion, disproves critical race theory.

01:04:08.000 The fact that a white person, and there's many of them, are currently pretending to be black shows that their ideas about oppression and oppressed aren't true because they're actively trying to be oppressed. 0.56

01:04:19.000 Now why would that make sense?

01:04:20.000 No, you're right, but it's a bit more complicated than that.

01:04:23.000 There's a more subtle distinction to be made.

01:04:27.000 We are in a kind of social, this really bizarre, bifurcated social environment where if you are in corporate, if you're in academia, especially academia, if you're in a kind of high education, high status, high prestige occupation, being a person of color is a tremendous advantage.

01:04:43.000 You talk to any hiring manager, this is just a kind of truism.

01:04:47.000 It is what it is.

01:04:49.000 But there's another distinction though.

01:04:51.000 So, you know, kind of people in academia, you have all these kind of white women pretending to be Latina or black to advance their academic careers. 1.00

01:04:59.000 These are like kind of like low-tier kind of garbage academics. 0.99

01:05:02.000 But they say, this is my ticket to get that great job. 0.99

01:05:05.000 Or Elizabeth Warren. 0.92

01:05:05.000 And you see the job listings. 0.92

01:05:07.000 A friend of mine is a college professor and he said, look at these job listings.

01:05:10.000 And it's like, You have to acknowledge the land, you have to be anti-colonial, you have to be this and that, and it's like, you know, to be a professor of anything.

01:05:17.000 So there's status and kind of advantage there.

01:05:21.000 But if you look at people in the lowest economic bracket, the bottom 20%, the bottom quintile,

01:05:27.000 it still is, unfortunately, there still is a racial dynamic, a class dynamic, especially now a class dynamic,

01:05:35.000 where that's not true.

01:05:37.000 So, and unfortunately, honestly, the thing that really irks me about critical race theory,

01:05:40.000 the thing that to me is like the true moral crime of critical race theory.

01:05:45.000 What it does, it enhances and solidifies the social status of woke elites of any race,

01:05:51.000 but it's an ideology that is deeply destructive to actual poor people of all races.

01:05:56.000 It does nothing to raise up people in the poor communities in white Youngstown, Ohio and black South Memphis and Latino Stockton.

01:06:04.000 It's a bespoke elite ideology that is self-serving and actually destroys the very foundations of life for poor people in the United States.

01:06:13.000 The two-parent family, the faith community, the habits of work and workforce participation.

01:06:21.000 It wants to obliterate all those things under the illusion that it's oppressive.

01:06:25.000 While at the same time, the elites who preach this stuff, they don't believe it.

01:06:28.000 Because look, they're working very hard.

01:06:31.000 They have two-parent households.

01:06:32.000 They're doing all the things that they condemn in their rhetoric.

01:06:35.000 And to me, it's not only hypocrisy, but it's deeply destructive to people, again, of all races, at the bottom. 0.60

01:06:42.000 Do you know that Gen Z is the first generation in like a hundred years to actually tick the other direction in terms of conservative or liberal?

01:06:50.000 Yeah, of course they are.

01:06:51.000 That's not a surprise at all.

01:06:52.000 I mean, you look at the kind of wreckage that started with the baby boomers and has kind of now echoing down, they say, I don't want to do that. 0.99

01:07:00.000 But it's not ideological.

01:07:03.000 So the Pew research shows that Gen Z is about as progressive as millennials, but slightly more conservative in some areas.

01:07:11.000 So, when you'll see these stories, and it's funny, I think the way Pew framed it was, Gen Z is just as progressive as millennials or whatever.

01:07:19.000 And then you look and it's like, they are, they are, they are.

01:07:21.000 Oh, a little bit more conservative.

01:07:22.000 Oh, a little bit more conservative.

01:07:23.000 That's interesting.

01:07:24.000 I think that's the framing you should go with, that there's something that happened that's very different.

01:07:28.000 It used to be every generation was way more progressive, way more progressive, and now it's stagnant and slightly receding.

01:07:35.000 And so I remember when I saw this research and I was like, I wonder what's causing Gen Z to start rejecting these ideas.

01:07:41.000 There's nothing.

01:07:43.000 You want to know why Gen Z is slightly more conservative? 0.60

01:07:46.000 In the late 90s and early 2000s, several researchers were talking about birth rates between ideologies and found that liberal couples were having 1.7 kids on average versus conservatives 2.01.

01:07:59.000 Which meant that in 20 years, you would have a generation that was slightly more conservative than the last because liberals are less likely to have kids, and now more likely to, say, get an abortion.

01:08:10.000 This resulted in the Gen Z being slightly more conservative simply because there are more of them. 1.00

01:08:15.000 I wonder what the correlation, though, is on political ideology between parents and children.

01:08:21.000 It's strong enough to make a difference, is what you're suggesting.

01:08:24.000 I think it's progressive to be a Republican right now.

01:08:26.000 I mean, it's progressive to vote for Trump anyway.

01:08:29.000 The general idea is to look at it from a very simple point of view, that if conservatives have more kids, they'll have kids with more conservative values.

01:08:36.000 Though the kids are pretty woke, compared to millennials, they're pretty comparable, so they're less conservative than their parents.

01:08:43.000 There's more kids who have somewhat conservative values.

01:08:47.000 You know, it's a generational anomaly.

01:08:49.000 Now we can take a look at some of the more, I guess, the changes that have been occurring.

01:08:55.000 I mean, when I was growing up, the Democratic Party, when talking about pro-life versus pro-choice, it was safe, legal, but rare.

01:09:02.000 Now it's Michelle Wolf on Netflix going, you get an abortion and you get an abortion! 1.00

01:09:07.000 The selfie videos, have you seen those?

01:09:08.000 Whoa, no!

01:09:09.000 Oh yeah, there's like women, there's like a trend on social media a while back where, you know, immediately after having an abortion procedure, people would, you know, take selfie videos and celebrate it like it, you know, like they just won the Olympics or something.

01:09:21.000 It's like, now it's really kind of, you know, even I kind of grew up in California, I was pro-choice by default, and then you kind of watch this stuff and you say, this is Yeah.

01:09:32.000 Did you see Lena Dunham said she wished she had an abortion?

01:09:36.000 Does she have children?

01:09:37.000 Can you pull that up for me?

01:09:40.000 No, I'm pretty sure it was her.

01:09:41.000 I want to make sure we get the source on this one.

01:09:42.000 Oh, she wished she had one so she could be part of the club?

01:09:45.000 She wished she had had an abortion. 1.00

01:09:47.000 She doesn't have any kids.

01:09:49.000 Could you say that about your kid?

01:09:51.000 I had a kid, but I wish I aborted.

01:09:52.000 No, no, no.

01:09:52.000 She was straight up saying she wished at some point.

01:09:55.000 So not to get too much into that, but the point I'm making is we recently had Joe Biden say that there should be no discrimination if an eight-year-old chooses to be transgender.

01:10:06.000 There's an interesting thing there in the way he said, chooses, because I didn't realize that was a choice.

01:10:10.000 And there's something interesting about what is going to be happening to future generations.

01:10:15.000 And I'm not saying this to disparage anybody.

01:10:17.000 I'm just saying, based on scientific fact, that there are going to be people who are having substantially more abortions.

01:10:23.000 There are a wave of millennials who are getting vasectomies or sterilization, you know, tube ties or whatever.

01:10:29.000 And there are millennials, like people that are There are two types, before marriage or before kids.

01:10:37.000 I know someone who cauterized her fallopian tubes or whatever, and she's like in her late 20s, cauterized, saying, irreversible, destroy it.

01:10:47.000 So what's going to happen based on that previous trend, like what happens to the next generation?

01:10:51.000 Substantially more conservative?

01:10:54.000 Dude, I got it.

01:10:56.000 2016, December 20th, Lena Dunham wishes she had an abortion. 1.00

01:10:59.000 Disgusting. 0.96

01:11:01.000 I think celebrating necessary evils is not the way to go with evil. 0.98

01:11:06.000 I would say so.

01:11:07.000 Yeah, that seems fair.

01:11:09.000 Yeah, it's a social status kind of symbol, right?

01:11:14.000 That's so rare.

01:11:15.000 She said, quote, now I can say that I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had.

01:11:22.000 What kind of psychotic depravity is this?

01:11:26.000 Even if your argument is... So this is pro-abortion. 0.55

01:11:30.000 I always tell people, I'm like, there's no... The argument right now isn't pro-choice versus pro-life.

01:11:36.000 The pro-choicers are aligning with the pro-lifers reluctantly because it's pro-abortion versus pro-life.

01:11:41.000 This was 2016 she said this.

01:11:43.000 And you had that Michelle Wolf special on Netflix where she's yelling, you know, Right.

01:11:46.000 No one's pro-abortion.

01:11:48.000 People are pro-choice.

01:11:49.000 You're not supposed to be pro-abortion. 0.99

01:11:52.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

01:11:53.000 Oh, man. 0.91

01:11:53.000 It's supposed to be that way, but clearly it's not the case. 0.91

01:11:56.000 I'm not trying to get into this big pro-life pro, you know, pro-choice thing.

01:11:59.000 I'm just pointing out the left has gone insane.

01:12:02.000 It's not just critical race theory.

01:12:04.000 It's something.

01:12:06.000 I don't know what, but it's going to be, it's going to have a profound

01:12:10.000 impact on future generations.

01:12:12.000 Tell me if this makes sense.

01:12:13.000 So critical race theorists would say like, you want people to be a mixed race

01:12:16.000 couple because it promotes, you know, uh, no, no, no.

01:12:20.000 How dare you?

01:12:21.000 You think that progression...

01:12:22.000 Fetishizing?

01:12:23.000 The Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett adopted two children from Haiti.

01:12:31.000 Children that were, one of them was severely disabled.

01:12:34.000 I mean, if you're an orphanage in Haiti, which is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, you're in a bad place.

01:12:39.000 And she adopted them, raised them, giving them tons of opportunity.

01:12:43.000 Um, and the critical race theory kind of guru of the day, who's kind of a big Ibram said, you know, this is kind of the mark of a white colonizer oppressing black children as kind of this, you know, and it's like, I mean, you can say, and you can say, hey, look, there's a perfectly reasonable argument to be made.

01:13:04.000 You know, kind of, I guess, he said something about taming the savage, like some totally brutal way out of there.

01:13:11.000 Yeah.

01:13:11.000 And it's like an interracial marriage is again, kind of like a bomb thrown into their narrative because it's very complex.

01:13:19.000 So I, out of all the dumb stories that are around there, I broke a story about the King County Washington Library holding racially segregated training programs.

01:13:27.000 And someone leaked to me these amazing photos of signs on two doors, opposite doors. 0.94

01:13:32.000 One said, uh, training for people of color, training for people who are white, you know?

01:13:39.000 And then it's like interracial couples, like, you know, like, like my kids, my kids are mixed race, biracial, like, Dad, where do I go?

01:13:48.000 You know?

01:13:48.000 Am I a person of color?

01:13:49.000 Am I a white person?

01:13:50.000 My wife and I, are we going to go in separate rooms to be trained to kind of deconstruct ourselves and learn how to kind of, you know, despise each other for these hidden essences that are more important than even a marriage?

01:14:03.000 I think that there's two things that critical race theorists drive them crazy.

01:14:08.000 One is interracial marriage, and I think interracial marriage is a sign of progress, frankly.

01:14:11.000 Of course!

01:14:12.000 Heck yeah! 0.96

01:14:12.000 I think it's beautiful. 0.96

01:14:13.000 I think it's amazing.

01:14:14.000 Scientifically, consciously.

01:14:16.000 I mean, whoever you love, go for it, you know?

01:14:19.000 But I think also America is going to look very different in a hundred years.

01:14:23.000 You're not going to be able to tell.

01:14:24.000 You're black, you're white, you're Hispanic, you're Puerto Rican, whatever.

01:14:28.000 It's going to be very complex, and I think ultimately that's going to be good.

01:14:31.000 I mean, I'm Italian.

01:14:32.000 My father's an immigrant from Italy.

01:14:34.000 Oh, cool.

01:14:34.000 Italian people weren't considered white.

01:14:36.000 Right.

01:14:36.000 For a long time.

01:14:37.000 I think the same thing will happen.

01:14:39.000 It'll be a process of evolution as people kind of adapt, accommodate, and intermarry.

01:14:45.000 But they don't like that, and they also really hate Asian Americans.

01:14:51.000 Oh yeah!

01:14:52.000 The hatred towards Asian Americans is so extreme because Asian Americans, who are people of color, have the highest rates of college education.

01:15:01.000 They have the highest incomes.

01:15:02.000 They have the highest test scores.

01:15:04.000 So in a society that is supposedly white supremacist, when you look at the income tables by ethnicity, Indian Americans are at the very top.

01:15:12.000 They have 70% college degrees.

01:15:15.000 Indian Americans, Filipinos, Koreans, Taiwanese, all of these groups.

01:15:19.000 And then, you know, white Americans are somewhere in the middle.

01:15:22.000 And it's like, it destroys the narrative.

01:15:24.000 And I call Asian Americans the inconvenient minority. 1.00

01:15:28.000 Because they just can't deal with it.

01:15:31.000 They've tried to find a way.

01:15:33.000 I was in Seattle at the University of Washington.

01:15:36.000 There was like a Proud Boy event happening a couple years ago.

01:15:38.000 And there was a guy who was arguing with people.

01:15:39.000 I started talking to him.

01:15:40.000 I explained that you know, he started saying all this critical grace theory stuff. I you know said that's not

01:15:46.000 cool Here's why and then it's always funny when their opinions

01:15:49.000 change once they realize like for me I'm part Asian and so what the guy said to me was amazing

01:15:56.000 that White supremacists have long tried to mix with Asians

01:16:01.000 That's why they had World War two and the Japanese were on the side of the Germans 0.98

01:16:05.000 Well, and I started laughing and I was like, are you insane? 0.53

01:16:09.000 What does that even mean? 0.97

01:16:11.000 He tried basically saying the justification for why Asians are

01:16:15.000 You know bad or whatever is you look at World War two in the Germans and then of course

01:16:22.000 There was this whole period where the left tried explaining why it was that there were

01:16:26.000 right-wing people who had Asian wives, and they said it's because the Nazis in Japan and

01:16:32.000 the white supremacists want demure, timid, traditional wives or whatever. 0.91

01:16:37.000 I mean, you said you're Korean. I know a lot of Korean mothers. They are not demure or timid.

01:16:42.000 They're intense, dude. Yeah, they're crazy. They are anything but. It's like, 0.99

01:16:47.000 where did this stereotype come from? It's completely ridiculous. 1.00

01:16:50.000 It's an attempt to lie, to make up this ridiculous narrative to justify why they're wrong. 0.98

01:16:54.000 Yeah.

01:16:56.000 I'll tell you a cool story that happened and something that I thought was really inspirational to me.

01:17:00.000 In Washington State, where I live, there was a ban on race-based college admissions.

01:17:08.000 You have to admit people based on their test scores and their accomplishments.

01:17:12.000 You can't look at race and admissions.

01:17:15.000 Consequently, and if you look at the social science data, it's I think highly correlated with the number of hours per week that they're studying, Asian Americans do really well.

01:17:23.000 They get college admissions at the highest public universities in Washington state.

01:17:27.000 They dominate.

01:17:28.000 That's just a fact.

01:17:29.000 It is what it is.

01:17:31.000 And the progressives, I guess now a year ago, two years ago, I can't quite remember, they said, we're going to get rid of that.

01:17:37.000 And we're going to reinstate race-based admissions.

01:17:40.000 And again, Washington state has a high Asian American population.

01:17:44.000 These are people who had never been involved in politics.

01:17:47.000 You know, we come from, you know, in large cases, these are Chinese Americans.

01:17:50.000 They said, we come from a place where politics is dangerous. 0.98

01:17:53.000 They'll get you killed.

01:17:54.000 So we are, we're just here to focus on our families, focus on education, focus on working hard, focus on businesses.

01:18:00.000 And I got involved with these people in this campaign to stop this.

01:18:03.000 And, and you know what, what happened was really a remarkable testament to American democracy.

01:18:09.000 These first generation Asian American immigrants.

01:18:12.000 Literally, noodle shop owners, computer people, you know, kind of someone that said that they were, you know, transporting frozen meat.

01:18:20.000 I mean, like, people who work hard.

01:18:23.000 They came together.

01:18:23.000 They had some people kind of advise them.

01:18:26.000 They put together a campaign to collect signatures to get this thing out of there.

01:18:30.000 Because they said, hey, wait a minute.

01:18:32.000 We come from this country.

01:18:33.000 We come to this country.

01:18:34.000 We work hard.

01:18:35.000 We send our kids to college.

01:18:36.000 That's how it works.

01:18:36.000 This is the American dream.

01:18:37.000 And these folks are trying to take us away from it to help minorities?

01:18:41.000 What?

01:18:42.000 That doesn't make sense.

01:18:43.000 And they laughed at them.

01:18:44.000 The legislators literally mocked them in public.

01:18:47.000 Wow.

01:18:47.000 You, you know, noodle shop owners will never put this thing together.

01:18:51.000 Ha ha ha.

01:18:51.000 We have power.

01:18:52.000 This is a blue state.

01:18:53.000 We're going to dominate.

01:18:54.000 Wow.

01:18:55.000 The noodle shop owners.

01:18:56.000 Oh boy.

01:18:58.000 They went crazy.

01:19:00.000 They organized. 0.80

01:19:01.000 They hustled.

01:19:02.000 They got donations.

01:19:03.000 They got small donors.

01:19:04.000 The corporations all donated against them.

01:19:06.000 Wow.

01:19:06.000 The people called them white supremacists, right?

01:19:08.000 Yeah. 0.80

01:19:09.000 You know, these Asian white supremacists, noodle shop owners. 0.65

01:19:13.000 And they won by two points.

01:19:14.000 Wow.

01:19:15.000 The first time in Washington state history that a ethnic minority group ran a ballot measure and won.

01:19:23.000 And hats off to them.

01:19:24.000 So my mom has a YouTube channel.

01:19:27.000 She actually has around 60,000 subscribers.

01:19:30.000 Yeah.

01:19:32.000 And she's Korean.

01:19:33.000 Let me ask you, what kind of content do you think she makes? 1.00

01:19:36.000 I don't know, man.

01:19:37.000 At risk of food.

01:19:40.000 No, no, no, no.

01:19:41.000 Like cooking.

01:19:42.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.

01:19:43.000 What do you mean?

01:19:44.000 That would have been a good one.

01:19:44.000 More stereotypical for an Asian mother.

01:19:47.000 I don't know.

01:19:48.000 Math videos.

01:19:49.000 My mom makes math tutorial videos.

01:19:51.000 Really?

01:19:52.000 Yeah.

01:19:52.000 And she's got like 60,000 subscribers.

01:19:55.000 And I love this story because I think it's funny and it shows that my family, I mean as far as I knew, we were progressive, right?

01:20:03.000 I remember I was hanging out with some conservatives and it was at a time when YouTube was demonetizing everybody and like it was the adpocalypse.

01:20:10.000 And I had people tell me they're targeting conservatives, you know, specifically to shut down our politics.

01:20:15.000 And I said, I don't know, like, you know, my mom makes math videos and she's getting demonetized.

01:20:20.000 And then one friend went, why am I not surprised your Korean mother makes math videos? 0.99

01:20:25.000 But wait, we all started laughing.

01:20:27.000 I immediately texted my mom and she started laughing too.

01:20:30.000 I love it.

01:20:30.000 Because we're sane, mature adults and we understand why it's funny.

01:20:34.000 Sense of humor.

01:20:34.000 It's so funny.

01:20:35.000 I'll tell you a funny story in my own experience.

01:20:37.000 So like my oldest son is a fourth grader.

01:20:39.000 Extraordinary in math.

01:20:40.000 Top 1% math student.

01:20:42.000 And the pandemic shut down all the schools.

01:20:45.000 So we said, oof, my wife and I both work full-time.

01:20:46.000 We're like, what are we going to do?

01:20:48.000 We got to get him, you know, keeping up with his schoolwork.

01:20:51.000 So we have our neighbor across the street, the son of a Korean immigrant family.

01:20:56.000 And he said, hey, you want to tutor our oldest son six hours a week?

01:20:59.000 Come in, you know, two hours, three days a week.

01:21:01.000 He said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:03.000 Just thinking, I don't know, you know, he's Korean, he's good at math, he's a high school student, he could do fourth grade math, you know, like a stereotype.

01:21:09.000 Turned out the stereotype was exactly true. 0.66

01:21:11.000 He's like, you know, I said, hey man, you know, you know, you're going, you're going to the University of Washington next year to study math.

01:21:18.000 Oh wow, that's amazing.

01:21:18.000 He's like, Yeah, I was doing calculus in sixth grade.

01:21:23.000 And then all of a sudden, my son is getting just a short amount of time every week, jumps two grades in math.

01:21:29.000 Wow.

01:21:29.000 Oh my gosh.

01:21:30.000 And you're like, what have they been teaching him in school?

01:21:34.000 I don't think it's anything to do with race.

01:21:37.000 I think it's that before I... So I've been pretty good at math most of my life.

01:21:42.000 And it's because before I even started in kindergarten, my mom was tutoring me and my brother, my sister, and she was teaching us math and reading.

01:21:49.000 So when I started in kindergarten, I knew multiplication and division and all this stuff.

01:21:52.000 The other kids had no idea.

01:21:53.000 They barely knew addition or subtraction.

01:21:56.000 My wife takes the kids to Kumon math tutoring when they're like two years old.

01:22:00.000 Yeah.

01:22:01.000 Because they know.

01:22:02.000 And if you look at that social science data, it's really interesting.

01:22:04.000 It's, you know, grades and achievement are highly correlated with the number of hours studying on average per week.

01:22:11.000 And, I mean, it's really hard to argue against it.

01:22:14.000 But the critical race theorists, again, they argue against meritocracy.

01:22:18.000 Right. 0.50

01:22:19.000 They have, I mean, long papers about how meritocracy is a system of kind of embedded white supremacy, eugenics, classism, etc., whatever ridiculous arguments they make.

01:22:29.000 Because, you know, they really, truly hate the idea that things should be apportioned based on merit.

01:22:36.000 And in a certain sense, yeah, people start further behind in a lot of ways.

01:22:42.000 It's why I kind of feel like it's, and I'm not saying this literally, I'm saying it figuratively, it's a weapon, the idea.

01:22:54.000 You look at what happened to Zimbabwe and the farmers, right? 1.00

01:22:57.000 You know about that, they took the land away from the farmers.

01:23:00.000 It happens to all of these different countries when they go communist.

01:23:03.000 You've got a farmer who knows how to farm.

01:23:05.000 He hires people for specific tasks he needs help with.

01:23:07.000 They don't know how to run a farm.

01:23:09.000 Then the, you know, Marxists or Communists or Socialists, whatever, come in and say, take the land from the rich landowners!

01:23:14.000 Woo! 0.99

01:23:15.000 Drive them out! 0.99

01:23:16.000 Now, you, farmers, you own the means of production.

01:23:19.000 And then they all fail, the crop spoils, and then they all starve.

01:23:23.000 And it's happened over and over again.

01:23:26.000 In what capacity do these people think that giving the means of production to the people who are working one particular machine can make the whole system work properly?

01:23:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:36.000 I do, and I've been increasingly thinking that it's not really about justice.

01:23:43.000 I don't think they're actually going for some sort of endpoint.

01:23:46.000 It's not very well articulated.

01:23:48.000 It doesn't stand up to historical scrutiny.

01:23:50.000 I think the destruction is the point.

01:23:53.000 There's vengeance, there's anger, there's rage.

01:23:56.000 Look at Andy Ngo on Twitter.

01:23:58.000 He loves posting the montage of mugshots from Portland, right?

01:24:03.000 I mean, these are not the faces of happy people.

01:24:06.000 And they're all white. 0.95

01:24:07.000 And they're all white. 0.99

01:24:08.000 And in a sense, you know, at one point, ha ha ha, look at these deranged and insane people. 0.91

01:24:15.000 But then you really think about it, and you're like, What pain is this person in?

01:24:18.000 And then this is the solution to that pain.

01:24:20.000 It's the class system that's messing people up bad right now.

01:24:24.000 What do you mean?

01:24:25.000 People are coming from poverty, the economy's shut down, they have no hope for the future fiscally, rent's going up, and they're losing, they're blowing their lid, and then they're turning to these weird theories that are getting masked by racism, but it's actually about classism, like people are coming from a lack of education because they weren't born into money.

01:24:41.000 They're looking for answers.

01:24:43.000 That's true.

01:24:44.000 I'm agreeing with you that you have these people who had everything destroyed, and they're looking for answers as to why that is, because they don't know, and people offer them up critical race theory.

01:24:54.000 I think there's an element to what you're saying that's true, but I think the general profile of the kind of Black Lives Matter protester, rioter, Antifa agitator, is not from a lower class background or a working class background.

01:25:07.000 These are people who are sons and daughters of the wealthy that I think have underperformed economically, underperformed socially, and then latch onto this ideology.

01:25:18.000 I just made a feature film in America's poorest cities that broadcasts on PBS on Tuesday.

01:25:25.000 And I spent five years in a public housing project in Memphis, in the poorest neighborhood in Youngstown, Ohio, in a Latino and multiracial, one of the most violent neighborhoods in Stockton, California. 1.00

01:25:37.000 They're not talking about any of this stuff.

01:25:39.000 Yeah, they don't know that this is what the problem is.

01:25:42.000 It's not important to them.

01:25:43.000 No, I mean, they know the economic problems.

01:25:45.000 They feel it.

01:25:46.000 But they don't think critical race theory is the solution.

01:25:48.000 They don't think any of these kind of extreme and kind of abstract ideologies are the solution.

01:25:53.000 They said, I really got to get my family together.

01:25:55.000 I really got to get my car working.

01:25:57.000 I really got to get a job and have a criminal record.

01:26:01.000 And I really have to find some meaning or fulfillment.

01:26:04.000 in my community.

01:26:05.000 You get these people that go out that have money that are like bought into this critical

01:26:10.000 race, this class system, and they want to bring it down, even though they're not necessarily

01:26:14.000 the worst off.

01:26:15.000 They see it and they think that that's what's causing these people pain.

01:26:19.000 And so they want to like virtue signal.

01:26:21.000 And this is always the case.

01:26:23.000 The Russian revolution, the communist revolutions in the 20th century, they had this idea that it would be a revolution of the proletariat.

01:26:32.000 And even Marx admits this in his work.

01:26:34.000 He said, oh, this is going to be a proletarian revolution.

01:26:36.000 The lower class is going to come and overthrow the landowners and the owners of capital and the factory capitalists. 0.90

01:26:42.000 And then they realize, oh man, the proletariat is not interested in revolution.

01:26:47.000 They're interested in stability.

01:26:48.000 They're interested in family.

01:26:49.000 They're interested in faith.

01:26:50.000 They're interested in culture.

01:26:51.000 They're interested in the land.

01:26:52.000 They're interested in normalcy.

01:26:54.000 So what they created then is a concept called the vanguard of the proletariat.

01:26:59.000 We are the intellectuals that are going to use the kind of perceived pain of the proletariat to start the revolution. 0.81

01:27:07.000 And then once we do, they'll be right behind us.

01:27:09.000 Storming the barricades.

01:27:10.000 This is Antifa, Black Lives Matter out there. 0.53

01:27:12.000 This is the vanguard.

01:27:13.000 This is the Bolsheviks. 0.70

01:27:14.000 Yeah, of course.

01:27:16.000 This is the kind of radical politics for the last 150 years.

01:27:21.000 It always follows this pattern.

01:27:23.000 They had that girl in New York, right?

01:27:24.000 She was tossing Molotov cocktails. 0.59

01:27:26.000 She was a lawyer. 0.83

01:27:27.000 She had a $2 million pad.

01:27:27.000 Some obscene thing.

01:27:28.000 She had a two million dollar pad somewhere. I mean like some of obscene and now she's going to prison forever 1.00

01:27:33.000 Mm-hmm I mean, she's on federal charges, right? 0.94

01:27:37.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:27:38.000 Federal and state.

01:27:39.000 Come on, you can't throw a Molotov at a cop and get away with it.

01:27:41.000 You can't do that.

01:27:42.000 She got arrested.

01:27:43.000 She's on camera.

01:27:43.000 They had a kid in Seattle, ran up, and you can see the video is excruciating.

01:27:48.000 He ran up behind a cop during a protest.

01:27:50.000 The cop's looking this way.

01:27:51.000 Ran up behind him and smashed him in the back of the head as hard as he could with a baseball bat.

01:27:55.000 The cop was wearing a helmet, was fine.

01:27:58.000 But it's like, and this kid was the son of a former state legislator.

01:28:01.000 And you know what the problem is?

01:28:02.000 The critical race theorists and leftists start getting elected to office.

01:28:06.000 And now the district attorneys are cutting these people loose.

01:28:09.000 Not all of them.

01:28:10.000 That guy with the baseball bat, he's gonna get locked up.

01:28:12.000 But only because federal prosecutors are stepping in.

01:28:14.000 So in Philadelphia, we just had these riots.

01:28:17.000 I love this.

01:28:18.000 The feds have come in.

01:28:20.000 Federal attorneys are charging people saying, federal crime, federal time.

01:28:24.000 And so Huffington Post has some journalists who are saying how convenient for Trump that his federal attorneys are announcing arrests and riots just days before an election.

01:28:34.000 And I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay, what does that have to do with Trump?

01:28:38.000 Like Trump was like, hey everybody, go riot, help me get elected.

01:28:41.000 No, if it wasn't for the federal prosecutors stopping these people, then the riots wouldn't be stopping.

01:28:46.000 And then we had a night of peace in Philadelphia.

01:28:49.000 National Guard's still out there too.

01:28:50.000 Yeah, well you see, oh man, I'm gonna do 15 years.

01:28:54.000 Maybe not.

01:28:55.000 It's true.

01:28:56.000 You can't appease these folks.

01:28:58.000 You have to maintain law and order in big cities.

01:29:02.000 The thing that's really scary is that this happened already before.

01:29:05.000 The cities were the thriving places earlier in the last century.

01:29:09.000 In the 1960s we had riots that were very strong and very destructive and it kind of led then to the flight to the suburbs and these cities getting gutted.

01:29:19.000 So you can still see it today in like Detroit.

01:29:21.000 You know Detroit was the richest city in the world in 1950 and today it's coming back a little bit but you know 10 years ago it was a disaster zone.

01:29:31.000 So things can change very quickly and I think we're playing with fire when we enable this kind of rioting and destruction.

01:29:39.000 That's why I'll tell you I'm worried about Joe Biden.

01:29:42.000 Tell me.

01:29:43.000 I'm worried about him too.

01:29:44.000 I'm worried about him in many ways.

01:29:45.000 He wants to raise the corporate tax.

01:29:47.000 Yeah.

01:29:47.000 But he's also, in his previous administration, was pro-international free trade agreements, notably the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

01:29:53.000 What do you think happens when you announce, we're going to have free trade between nations and also raise your taxes in the United States if you run your business here?

01:30:00.000 Then all the factories immediately leave because they know they can import their products for free, and they'll pay cheaper taxes.

01:30:06.000 What that does is it means American working class people will pay an overpriced amount of money for a sneaker, and a majority of that money goes to profits to the upper class, to the wealthy elites, and it creates a worse and worse divide between the wealthy and the poor.

01:30:19.000 It destroys the jobs and then eventually it extracts the value because there's not going to be a job to make that money back.

01:30:25.000 The rich people have all that money.

01:30:27.000 They're opening businesses in other countries.

01:30:29.000 It is an extraction.

01:30:30.000 Joe Biden, pro free trade agreements and wants to raise corporate taxes.

01:30:35.000 That's a terrible combination.

01:30:37.000 That's not what we're going to get.

01:30:38.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:30:39.000 Yeah, I think There's some truth to that.

01:30:42.000 And there's been a lot of change on the right.

01:30:43.000 I mean, conservatives in the 1980s were supply-side economics.

01:30:48.000 They really wanted to slash tax rates and stimulate economic growth.

01:30:51.000 And I think that was, at the time, the right call.

01:30:54.000 The problem among my friends and colleagues, some of them, is that they're still stuck in that mindset.

01:31:01.000 For whatever problem, cutting capital gains taxes is the solution.

01:31:05.000 And it's like, we're not there.

01:31:06.000 I don't think that's the solution for the time.

01:31:09.000 And I think you're right.

01:31:10.000 You know, I spent a number of years in Youngstown, Ohio, that produced more steel than anywhere on the planet.

01:31:17.000 And they had 25 miles of steel mills along the Mahono River.

01:31:21.000 Wow.

01:31:22.000 25 miles.

01:31:23.000 They're all gone.

01:31:24.000 Wow.

01:31:25.000 Dude, Akron, did you go to Akron?

01:31:26.000 I've been to Akron, yeah.

01:31:27.000 That's my hometown, Cuyahoga Falls, right?

01:31:28.000 That's the same kind of story.

01:31:29.000 Same kind of story.

01:31:29.000 It was a rubber boom.

01:31:30.000 Yeah.

01:31:31.000 shell of a city. I know and it's like 25 miles straight of steel.

01:31:35.000 Oh man. All gone. All gone. That's awful. And you know there's a lot of complex reasons for that but

01:31:41.000 the thing is what does that do to a community? It wrecks it.

01:31:44.000 And when you wreck and rip apart a community you destroy the social fabric.

01:31:48.000 What do you have in Youngstown now?

01:31:50.000 You have high rates of addiction, high rates of suicide, high rates of broken families.

01:31:55.000 Opioids.

01:31:56.000 Oh, the opioids are just an absolute nightmare, you know.

01:31:59.000 I remember, you know, I spent a week with bounty hunters in Youngstown.

01:32:03.000 Didn't end up in the movie, but it was kind of a cool experience and, you know, you kick down the doors of people's places and it's just people strung out needles in their arms and it's like, We have systematically destroyed these folks.

01:32:14.000 And Youngstown's very interesting because it was a blue-collar, labor town, heavily Democratic, and switched to Trump in 2016.

01:32:23.000 It was kind of a bellwether for the shift because people said, wait a minute, the FDR is dead.

01:32:29.000 FDR is dead and gone.

01:32:30.000 He's not coming back.

01:32:31.000 And at least Trump respects us.

01:32:35.000 At least he speaks to us as worthwhile human beings, where especially Hillary Clinton was

01:32:41.000 directly disdainful of people who are middle class.

01:32:44.000 My favorite story. You ever hear the news? And everybody who's watching already knows,

01:32:48.000 because I tell it all the time. Donald Trump went to a fancy restaurant and ordered this very

01:32:52.000 expensive steak, well done, with ketchup. And you know what the media did?

01:32:58.000 Ridiculed him for it.

01:32:59.000 And do you know what regular people thought?

01:33:00.000 Loved it!

01:33:02.000 Well, regular people loved that Trump did it.

01:33:05.000 Because, as I explained to people, when I was growing up, we couldn't get a medium-rare filet mignon, sprinkle a little salt and garlic, fancy, and all the garnish. 0.95

01:33:13.000 No, we got the trash steaks from the local deli for a buck, cooked it through because it tasted like crap, and slopped ketchup on it.

01:33:20.000 So you get regular working people, I've seen their companies, their jobs removed, destroyed, and they're eating from the bottom of the barrel, and Trump's eating what they're eating. 0.98

01:33:30.000 The media insulted them.

01:33:32.000 Yes.

01:33:32.000 When the media insulted Trump, I'm sure regular Americans said- Did you see the New York Times refrigerator story?

01:33:37.000 No, what's this one?

01:33:39.000 Maybe, maybe.

01:33:39.000 It's so depressing.

01:33:41.000 What they did is a New York Times reporter like this is the most who like and no point in the editorial cycle did someone say maybe this is a really demeaning and terrible idea.

01:33:48.000 Oh boy.

01:33:48.000 They sent a photographer and a writer to go out to open people's refrigerators and take pictures of them.

01:33:54.000 Biden voters and Trump voters.

01:33:56.000 Wow.

01:33:57.000 So they had, and then, like, there's a class element that they don't address in the story, and it's ridiculous, but they cherry-picked it so that the Biden voters are like, Evian water and kale and kombucha.

01:34:07.000 Frankly, it looks like my fridge, I'll admit it.

01:34:09.000 I just requested some kombucha.

01:34:11.000 Totally, and pre-packaged smoothies and all these beautiful things.

01:34:14.000 And then the Trump fridges are, you know, some milk, a half case of Pabst, and some hot dogs, some bad steaks, and some hot dogs, right?

01:34:24.000 I mean, you know, like, and And then they presented it essentially as the enlightened and the benighted. 0.97

01:34:30.000 I mean, like the good and the bad, the sophisticated and the dunce.

01:34:33.000 That was surprising.

01:34:34.000 And they put it up on the New York Times.

01:34:36.000 I mean, it's like, and they forget the lesson.

01:34:38.000 You know, you remember what Bill Clinton used to do, right?

01:34:40.000 What would he do?

01:34:41.000 He used to slip his Secret Service security detail to go get McDonald's.

01:34:45.000 Oh my gosh, that sounds great.

01:34:47.000 And people loved it because he was Bubba from Arkansas.

01:34:50.000 I mean, really, like, you know, people- They like it with Trump, yeah.

01:34:53.000 Donald Trump, my favorite, one of my, okay, we've had some really good fact checks.

01:34:57.000 But I don't know if you guys saw this one.

01:35:00.000 First, before I give you the really juicy fact check, I just want to mention, during the debates, Donald Trump and Hillary, he said Hillary Clinton acid washed her server.

01:35:08.000 Right.

01:35:08.000 You know, speaking figuratively.

01:35:10.000 NBC puts out a fact check card on Twitter.

01:35:12.000 False.

01:35:13.000 Hillary Clinton did not use a corrosive chemical on her computer.

01:35:17.000 Recently, there was a fact check where Donald Trump said, we ordered a thousand cheeseburgers, they were stacked a mile high.

01:35:24.000 And it was like the AP said, at two inches each, a thousand burgers stacked up would not reach a mile high.

01:35:30.000 False!

01:35:33.000 I'm glad they did that for us.

01:35:34.000 Oh man. And I love it when Trump bought all the McDonald's.

01:35:37.000 It was because it's that, what was it, like a high school team or something?

01:35:40.000 Yeah.

01:35:41.000 And there was a shutdown. The government wasn't functioning, I think, at the time.

01:35:43.000 Yeah, I remember.

01:35:44.000 And, but they were like, we love it. It's so awesome. And there's like pictures of

01:35:46.000 them grabbing a bunch of burgers. Like, dude, it's McDonald's, man.

01:35:49.000 I just thought.

01:35:50.000 The Taco Bell picture. That one was classic.

01:35:52.000 I love Latinos.

01:35:54.000 Yeah, man.

01:35:54.000 And it's like, I get that that's kind of like, oh, it's kind of cringey.

01:35:57.000 It's kind of like, but it's like, that's it.

01:36:00.000 He's like Donald from Queens.

01:36:02.000 Yeah.

01:36:02.000 And you got to think about the guy too, the language.

01:36:04.000 I thought about this a lot, actually, because the language also made me uncomfortable and sometimes still does.

01:36:08.000 But this is a guy who grew up in Queens, a guy who spent a lot of time on construction sites and a lot of time on the floor of casinos.

01:36:16.000 Yeah.

01:36:16.000 You know the language in those places.

01:36:17.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 It's horrific, you know?

01:36:20.000 And that kind of braggadocio, that kind of exaggeration, that kind of hyperbole, I think is more natural to that environment.

01:36:26.000 I hear his dad was really mean to him too.

01:36:28.000 He'd bring him into work and kind of like berate him in front of his co-workers and stuff.

01:36:33.000 So he's had a pretty rough There's a video, it's like one of the best endorsements of

01:36:38.000 Trump ever, but also kind of like, where it's this black dude with a gun and he's 0.56

01:36:41.000 pointing it at the camera and he's yelling, get my president's name out of your mouth. 0.67

01:36:47.000 And he's like, it's this guy endorsing the president.

01:36:50.000 But the reason I bring that up is it's in line with what do poor people in this country

01:36:55.000 need and what do they think?

01:36:56.000 And right now, the Democrats are the party of the wealthy elites.

01:37:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:01.000 In 2016, Vox said it.

01:37:02.000 Vox.com, progressive website, said Democrats have become the party of the wealthy.

01:37:05.000 Take a look at Biden's donors.

01:37:07.000 Wall Street, high-income families.

01:37:09.000 Donald Trump is mostly funded by low-income donations.

01:37:13.000 I shouldn't say low-income, but small donations from lower-income people.

01:37:17.000 And now the resistance on the side of the multinational billion-dollar corporations and the wealthy elites in Wall Street.

01:37:23.000 I think of Robert Reich when you say the resistance.

01:37:25.000 That's him.

01:37:26.000 That's him, baby.

01:37:27.000 Biden said it was $43 was his average donation.

01:37:30.000 Is that right, Joe Biden?

01:37:31.000 I mean, but average, what does that mean?

01:37:33.000 I don't know.

01:37:33.000 I don't know that he only got, I don't know, 10 donations.

01:37:36.000 It means that he got a lot of small donations.

01:37:37.000 It means that most people donate around 20 bucks and then he's got a whole bunch of people giving him hundreds of thousands to like his super packs or whatever.

01:37:43.000 The other thing people need to realize is that as a politician you can say, my average donation is only $20 and then my average donation to my super pack is half a million.

01:37:52.000 Oh, that's slimy.

01:37:53.000 Oh yeah, of course.

01:37:54.000 Oh yeah.

01:37:55.000 I'm not getting the donation.

01:37:56.000 I have nothing to do with the super PAC.

01:37:59.000 Yeah, you want to give me a million bucks?

01:38:00.000 Sign the check over to that guy over there on the other side.

01:38:02.000 I'm just here eating a cheeseburger at this restaurant.

01:38:04.000 That guy has nothing to do with me.

01:38:06.000 By the way, what did Biden say he was supporting today?

01:38:10.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:38:12.000 Can we play that?

01:38:13.000 Joe Biden said he was mobilizing True and non-a, true and non-sha, true and non, true and non-a-sha but depression.

01:38:24.000 What?

01:38:24.000 True and non-a-sha but a depression.

01:38:26.000 That's amazing.

01:38:26.000 That was my response.

01:38:28.000 I want it.

01:38:28.000 I'm not kidding.

01:38:29.000 He said, I'm mobilizing true and non-a-sha but a depression.

01:38:33.000 And now people are like, it's memeing, it's crazy.

01:38:35.000 People are cheering when he said it.

01:38:36.000 Yeah, that was the best part.

01:38:38.000 No, no, the best part is, so I don't know if you- Women are flashing the stage. 1.00

01:38:42.000 They're just like, yes!

01:38:44.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:38:45.000 So you've seen the Art on the Walls, right?

01:38:47.000 Yes.

01:38:48.000 So this is George Alexopoulos who does these really, really amazing and somewhat creepy.

01:38:54.000 Yep.

01:38:55.000 Somewhat, yeah.

01:38:56.000 Very creepy.

01:38:56.000 One of the pictures we have over there is it's Joe Biden.

01:38:59.000 He's drooling and a woman is handing him a little girl.

01:39:03.000 And everyone in the background is screaming and cheering.

01:39:06.000 And then when he takes the little girl, his mouth becomes this gigantic monstrous and open and the girl's freaking out trying to escape.

01:39:12.000 But there's all these thumbs up in the air and people clapping and cheering.

01:39:16.000 And then he eats the little girl and then he thumbs up back.

01:39:19.000 That's what it reminds me of.

01:39:21.000 When he said, I'm legalizing true and honest Shabbat of depression.

01:39:24.000 And everyone's like, yay!

01:39:27.000 What are you cheering for?

01:39:29.000 The absolute state of 2020.

01:39:31.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:39:32.000 I was talking to my friend Cassandra Fairbanks earlier, and she brought that up to me.

01:39:36.000 When I sent her the video, she goes, they're all clapping and cheering for this.

01:39:39.000 Yep.

01:39:40.000 Like, what are they cheering for?

01:39:42.000 What was your path to voting for Donald Trump?

01:39:46.000 I already did.

01:39:47.000 What was your path?

01:39:48.000 Because I voted third party and, well, I don't even like saying third party.

01:39:51.000 I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 and I'm led towards Donald Trump.

01:39:55.000 Yeah, I know.

01:39:55.000 I mean, my path, like my political path, you know, I saw myself, I grew up as a man of the left.

01:40:00.000 I grew up in California, very progressive.

01:40:02.000 I grew up in Sacramento, down the street from Berkeley, and my heroes were the Kind of anti-establishment radicals of the campus revolution in the 1960s.

01:40:11.000 You watch the old videos of the speeches defending free speech, defending creativity, defending expression.

01:40:17.000 And that's what I loved.

01:40:19.000 This is kind of where I am.

01:40:22.000 But I went to college and then got involved in left-wing politics.

01:40:25.000 And I discovered very quickly That the kind of elite left-wing politics is about the phoniest group of people you could imagine These are people that are staging hunger strikes on campus for people that are just embarrassed by them It's like we're gonna do this for you.

01:40:42.000 You might not want it, but we're gonna do it for you anyways And at that moment it just kind of died.

01:40:48.000 On a personal level, I can't associate with this.

01:40:55.000 I don't like this.

01:40:55.000 I don't quite understand everything.

01:40:57.000 So I got out of college, directed documentaries for PBS for about 10 years.

01:41:02.000 And then as I was a filmmaker and the filmmaking industry was just getting devoured by the kind of intersectional, hyper-progressive, critical race theory left, I started really digging into it and understanding kind of

01:41:15.000 where is this all coming from, what does it all mean, and kind of slowly just abandoned the left and was looking

01:41:20.000 for kind of an exit plan. 0.94

01:41:21.000 And in 2016 I voted kind of in retrospect stupidly for Gary Johnson.

01:41:26.000 I said like, you know, I'm libertarian, orient, like, you know, do whatever, don't hurt people, Gary Johnson, protest,

01:41:31.000 vote.

01:41:32.000 And then really kind of, especially with the critical race theory.

01:41:37.000 Um, obviously, you know, it's a, it's an accomplishment.

01:41:40.000 I had a nice celebration at the White House today about it.

01:41:43.000 Um, and I realized like this is the only part for all of his flaws.

01:41:48.000 This guy has flaws.

01:41:50.000 And they're not hidden flaws.

01:41:51.000 These are very evident flaws.

01:41:53.000 He wears his flaws like a jacket, you know?

01:41:55.000 I mean, he is who he is.

01:41:57.000 There's a lot of things I don't like about it.

01:41:58.000 But two things.

01:41:59.000 One, the policies that he's put forward I think are good for a large extent.

01:42:03.000 And then the critical race theorist said, this is the only guy with the stones to sign a piece of paper saying, no more of this.

01:42:11.000 I had a question about that.

01:42:12.000 When Trump was asked about critical race theory, I couldn't help feeling that he didn't know enough.

01:42:18.000 What should he have known more that would have made him more persuasive and help people understand?

01:42:22.000 I think that the president is many things.

01:42:26.000 He's not a scholar, so I think that he had a hard time describing it.

01:42:29.000 I think he's a visceral politician.

01:42:30.000 He said, they're teaching people to hate America.

01:42:33.000 That's bad.

01:42:35.000 He should have gone on a discourse.

01:42:37.000 I don't know what he should have said, but I think he should have said, they're segregating people by race.

01:42:43.000 They're demeaning people.

01:42:44.000 They're dividing people in the workplace.

01:42:46.000 It undermines everything we stand for.

01:42:49.000 And I put a stop to it, even though my opponents are going to demagogue me about it until Election Day.

01:42:55.000 I think when he was on the debate stage with Chris Wallace, and Chris Wallace was like, Donald Trump, you recently banned racial sensitivity trainings.

01:43:05.000 No.

01:43:05.000 Yes.

01:43:05.000 Trump's response should have been, thank you for the question, Chris.

01:43:08.000 My executive order does not ban racial sensitivity trainings.

01:43:11.000 What we banned were segregationist or neo-segregationist practices, which are a violation of Title

01:43:17.000 VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, an act in violation of the law.

01:43:21.000 Once I realized that there were institutions within the federal government that were violating

01:43:24.000 the law, I immediately said, you must cease this at once, and we won't actually participate

01:43:28.000 in any contracts with companies that are also in violation of civil rights law.

01:43:32.000 You should have, yeah.

01:43:32.000 This is about ending racism in this country, and it's kind of shocking that many people like my opponent over here would support these racist and illegal policies.

01:43:41.000 Yeah, totally.

01:43:41.000 He should have said all of that.

01:43:43.000 And you know, I wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal basically saying racial sensitivity training is the most bogus Orwellian manipulation of language that exists.

01:43:53.000 And I think that's really, we talked about this earlier, the kind of rapid change of language where something becomes unpopular, they just change the phrase.

01:44:01.000 Yep.

01:44:01.000 And it's, you know, remember mostly peaceful protests?

01:44:04.000 Oh yeah.

01:44:05.000 You know, and racial sensitivity trainings, all these things that sound good, very innocuous, but hide something.

01:44:10.000 Anti-fascist.

01:44:11.000 Anti-fascist.

01:44:11.000 Black Lives Matter.

01:44:12.000 He could have you on a press conference and tell people.

01:44:16.000 He could appoint you to a position.

01:44:18.000 Because I think it would be good to have like a legit scholarly explanation.

01:44:23.000 I think it's like the root of a lot of these riots.

01:44:25.000 And if we're able to.

01:44:26.000 It is.

01:44:26.000 Look, look.

01:44:27.000 And we need to talk about this at length.

01:44:29.000 Yeah.

01:44:30.000 I think we need to have regular people just say F you.

01:44:35.000 Yes.

01:44:36.000 Just in general.

01:44:37.000 I've said it before.

01:44:38.000 Look, man, I had a contract at a company.

01:44:41.000 They were paying me very, very well.

01:44:43.000 They wanted to get ultra woke.

01:44:44.000 I basically said no.

01:44:45.000 They offered me like all of a sudden I got paid a big fat check and I was like, I want to break my contract.

01:44:50.000 And then I ultimately I left and I didn't know what I was going to do.

01:44:53.000 Recently, Glenn Greenwald, famous journalist, one of the most consequential journalists of our generation, resigned from his own news organization because they were censoring news on the Bidens.

01:45:03.000 And you know what the response was from the editor?

01:45:06.000 I'm sorry, not from the editor, from... I can't remember who levied this criticism.

01:45:10.000 They said something like Glenn was being challenged by an increasing... What did he say?

01:45:17.000 Oh yeah, the Democratic Party had become offensive to him because it was now with more women and people of color, and it was challenging his power, so he immediately became disdainful and angry.

01:45:27.000 Right.

01:45:28.000 When Glenn Greenwald wrote about how corrupt the elite crony class was, they said he was actually just mad because there were a lot more people of color.

01:45:37.000 I mean, he's a gay journalist married to a Brazilian guy.

01:45:43.000 And that's the thing, too.

01:45:45.000 It doesn't even have to match any form of reality that most people would say, that doesn't make sense.

01:45:51.000 That doesn't add up.

01:45:52.000 Because they know they can say it no matter what.

01:45:54.000 It's become a catch-all.

01:45:57.000 No, I think the more they do this, the more votes Trump gets.

01:46:01.000 I agree.

01:46:01.000 But I gotta tell you, man, if the polls are right, that would be really scary.

01:46:06.000 And it could be true.

01:46:07.000 They're never right.

01:46:08.000 If they are, it's a coincidence.

01:46:09.000 It could be.

01:46:10.000 Look, there's a margin of error, you know, and it's pretty wide right now.

01:46:13.000 It's between like three and now it's at four, they're saying.

01:46:16.000 Yeah.

01:46:16.000 So that's a serious margin of error.

01:46:18.000 They're models too, right?

01:46:18.000 They're not actual polls.

01:46:19.000 Well, the polls are always modeled.

01:46:21.000 So they'll ask 5,000 people and say, okay, now we need 350, you know, Democrats, 200, you know, Republicans, or 260 Republicans, and then we'll determine what we think is going to happen.

01:46:31.000 So it's possible they're all completely wrong.

01:46:34.000 But I got to say, it would be perhaps wishful thinking for me to think I know better than all of these different institutions.

01:46:41.000 But think about what that means that the polls are wrong.

01:46:44.000 It means that the American people don't care, that you have literal violations of civil rights law happening all over this country in our own government, that in California they're trying to repeal their civil rights.

01:46:55.000 You know about their Appeal Prop 209.

01:46:56.000 And who's fighting?

01:46:57.000 Asian Americans.

01:46:58.000 Right, right.

01:46:59.000 And who's fighting the Harvard stuff?

01:47:00.000 Asian Americans.

01:47:01.000 No wonder they don't like them.

01:47:02.000 I've got a question about his banning of the theory.

01:47:06.000 When we had Vosh on the other night, none of us really could figure out, did he ban the schools from teaching it?

01:47:11.000 Explain this already.

01:47:12.000 Or did he just, he's not going to give money to schools that teach it?

01:47:15.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:47:16.000 So, so this is a good question.

01:47:17.000 No, you can't really, you know, it's complicated, but you can't change a curriculum.

01:47:23.000 So you could teach critical race theory alongside another theory, et cetera, et cetera.

01:47:26.000 What he's, what he's, what he's banning is the kind of HR trainings.

01:47:30.000 You can't train your employees in these kind of ideas and these divisive concepts.

01:47:35.000 You can't stereotype, scapegoat, or demean people on the basis of race or sex.

01:47:39.000 Is he withholding funds from schools that teach it?

01:47:42.000 It's not schools.

01:47:42.000 So the executive order, it does it in the federal government, federal agencies, and then in federal contractors.

01:47:48.000 So basically all the big corporations.

01:47:49.000 They're scrambling now.

01:47:51.000 And the irony is this.

01:47:53.000 You have the president saying something very simple.

01:47:54.000 You can't scapegoat, stereotype, or demean people on the basis of race.

01:47:58.000 And all of a sudden these corporations in the U.S.

01:47:59.000 Chamber of Commerce are freaking out and changing all their policies.

01:48:03.000 You have to say, well, man, you guys must have been scapegoating, stereotyping, demeaning people on the basis of race.

01:48:08.000 We've found the systemic racism.

01:48:10.000 But it doesn't apply to schools and universities.

01:48:12.000 And this is, you know, the next big thing.

01:48:15.000 And I think I can say without revealing too much detail, my next campaign, my next kind of move on this is that if the president wins, I feel very confident that we could also extend the executive order through Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.

01:48:31.000 to every public K-12 school and every university in America.

01:48:35.000 That was my first thought.

01:48:36.000 Bosch said that it would be a violation of free speech and the ability to teach theory.

01:48:40.000 This is another one of the low-level, low-effort criticisms.

01:48:46.000 Free speech?

01:48:48.000 What are you talking about?

01:48:49.000 You can still say critical race theory.

01:48:51.000 You can say it.

01:48:52.000 You can say it.

01:48:52.000 I can say it.

01:48:53.000 You can say it.

01:48:54.000 You can teach it.

01:48:54.000 You can do whatever you want with it.

01:48:56.000 You have the right for the government to protect your speech.

01:48:59.000 The government has to protect your freedom to speak.

01:49:01.000 Well, they can't violate your rights.

01:49:02.000 But the government is not required to subsidize your speech.

01:49:05.000 Absolutely not. 0.96

01:49:05.000 Right, I mean, that's ridiculous. 0.96

01:49:07.000 These are people that are using federal dollars to indoctrinate people into this kind of ideology.

01:49:13.000 You don't have a right to public money, and you don't have a right to teach it to public employees, but of course you still have your First Amendment right to do it on your own time and your own dime.

01:49:22.000 And also what needs to be said in that capacity, it's one thing if a school says, I'd like to teach you about critical race theory.

01:49:29.000 It's another thing if they're applying critical race theory.

01:49:31.000 Exactly.

01:49:31.000 If you use critical race theory in their teaching, that's different than teaching you about the theory.

01:49:35.000 Should schools be allowed to teach children about what white supremacy is?

01:49:38.000 Yes.

01:49:38.000 Should teachers be able to teach kids to be white supremacists?

01:49:43.000 No.

01:49:44.000 Charge kids with supremacy.

01:49:45.000 I feel like this is a supremacist movement.

01:49:47.000 Even though it's tearing a race down, it still feels like a racial supremacy movement.

01:49:51.000 You're correct.

01:49:52.000 Racial identitarianism. 0.73

01:49:53.000 And Ian, I think this is a crucial distinction that I really, really wish we had hammered home to Vosh. 0.62

01:49:58.000 and all of our audience because one of the things that nobody was noticing I don't think the other

01:50:02.000 night was that this is at the federal level dude this is freaking me out this is in Sandia labs

01:50:09.000 these are the people who make nukes Ian the treasury the people who control our money supply

01:50:14.000 this is genuinely unsettling to me like This isn't just teachers.

01:50:18.000 This is people at every level.

01:50:20.000 Not anymore.

01:50:25.000 Teaching kids about racial supremacy is an interesting concept, because that's a heavy thing to teach.

01:50:30.000 That's the next phase of this campaign, and I'm sitting on basically a fat stack of documents.

01:50:34.000 I've been doing public records requests at some school districts.

01:50:38.000 I have also whistleblowers at school districts.

01:50:40.000 requesting all of their, kind of, diversity, inclusion, ethnic studies, all of these different training programs and curricula.

01:50:47.000 And the one in Seattle, it's like, they send me two CD-ROMs.

01:50:51.000 Like, actually, like, how am I gonna read this CD-ROM?

01:50:54.000 A, but then B, like, the City of Seattle, Seattle Public Schools Curriculum, Ethnic Studies Curriculum, or whatever they call it, Race and Social Justice Initiative.

01:51:04.000 The logo is Seattle Public Schools, a picture of the Space Needle, and on top of the Space Needle is a black power fist. 0.72

01:51:10.000 Literally!

01:51:11.000 It's like, you guys didn't try to be subtle about that? 1.00

01:51:15.000 And in a way, the federal employees, adults are old enough to be like, oh, I'll do this thing, but it's stupid. 1.00

01:51:21.000 But kids are not. 0.97

01:51:23.000 Kids are not sophisticated enough to say, actually, in Cheryl Harris's original 1993 paper on whiteness as property, she makes a distinct, like, they're They're eight years old!

01:51:32.000 Right?

01:51:33.000 And that to me is very dangerous, very destructive, and I just, I think, you know, I've experienced it even with my own children to a certain extent, those kind of teachings, and it's just, it's no good.

01:51:46.000 We gotta stop it.

01:51:46.000 Do you know where that fist comes from?

01:51:49.000 Like, no, the origin of the fist, no!

01:51:52.000 I don't know the exact origin, but I do know it was very prominent in the Spanish Civil War.

01:51:56.000 And do you know why, when they make the fist, they show you the fist?

01:51:59.000 Why?

01:52:00.000 It's a symbol of the fingers standing together, the small coming together to make the strong, just like the fascists believed.

01:52:08.000 How do you pronounce it, fascis?

01:52:10.000 Fascis, yeah.

01:52:11.000 Yeah, the sticks banded together with the axe as a weapon or whatever.

01:52:15.000 Yeah, again, it's a reduction to power.

01:52:17.000 It's a reduction to all social forces to power.

01:52:18.000 There's no room for morality.

01:52:19.000 if they could band together and their power would prevail.

01:52:22.000 Yeah, again, it's a reduction to power.

01:52:25.000 It's a reduction to all social forces to power.

01:52:27.000 There's no room for morality.

01:52:28.000 That's the dangerous part.

01:52:29.000 You know who David Graeber was?

01:52:32.000 I do.

01:52:33.000 Was he the gentleman who... I think he may have passed.

01:52:35.000 I want to be very careful because I don't want to accuse someone of dying.

01:52:38.000 died yeah yeah that's he was a police check yeah I will retract it that's not

01:52:44.000 true all right he went on a Twitter Twitter thread a year or so ago saying

01:52:48.000 that elements of the left left have adopted fascistic ideologies and he was

01:52:52.000 referring a bit to this stuff saying one of the core principles that they

01:52:56.000 espouses there is no truth but power yeah which is why they constantly change

01:53:01.000 the definition of words they'll do by any means necessary to gain power and he

01:53:04.000 said that it was essentially a core tactic ideology of the fascists

01:53:10.000 Yeah, he died in September.

01:53:12.000 Yeah, wow.

01:53:12.000 But, like, depends on the kind of power, really.

01:53:15.000 Like, the Goblin King power, that's not real power if someone's gonna come up and take it from you immediately after you take it.

01:53:21.000 Or he just has better guard.

01:53:22.000 Hey, question.

01:53:23.000 Do you homeschool your kids?

01:53:25.000 No, I don't.

01:53:26.000 You know, I had my oldest in public school, and then we recently switched to Catholic school.

01:53:33.000 Do you ever think about homeschooling them, or are you satisfied with the Yeah, the religious school is great.

01:53:41.000 Our youngest is at home with a nanny, and that's amazing.

01:53:45.000 My wife and I both work from home now.

01:53:46.000 It's awesome to have the kids around a lot.

01:53:51.000 I don't think we'd homeschool.

01:53:51.000 My wife is very ambitious, very accomplished.

01:53:54.000 She's a programmer writer at Amazon.

01:53:57.000 Yeah, she's super smart. 1.00

01:53:58.000 Yeah, so she's very smart in the tech world, and I think she likes to work, and she really enjoys the challenge of that and the balance, so we found a nice balance.

01:54:08.000 But, you know, much along the lines, I think, of you, Tim, you know, we lived in Seattle.

01:54:12.000 We lived in the kind of urban core of Seattle, and it became untenable.

01:54:16.000 I mean, we were getting doxxed and threatened and harassed and posters, and then the moment it crossed the line is when people started randomly cursing out my children in public.

01:54:25.000 Wow.

01:54:26.000 Yeah, and I actually wasn't there.

01:54:30.000 My oldest was with a babysitter, and someone found out, who's your dad?

01:54:32.000 And then, you know, F that guy, and you know, he's a Nazi, and Tucker Carlson, like, I mean, like, just blowing my kid.

01:54:39.000 And my kid, to his, you know, nine years old, and to his credit, actually amazing, he stood strong.

01:54:47.000 He's like, that's not true.

01:54:48.000 That's not my dad.

01:54:50.000 And held it in, and then came home and burst out crying, right?

01:54:54.000 But he stood up to this guy, and this guy's a 40-year-old man.

01:54:58.000 Wow!

01:54:59.000 And that's a moment that I said, sweetheart, I think we gotta move, man.

01:55:02.000 This is getting crazy!

01:55:03.000 People have lost their minds.

01:55:06.000 And it's like, I'm a reasonable person.

01:55:09.000 I can engage with anyone.

01:55:11.000 Happy to talk to people.

01:55:12.000 But, like, something has possessed people that are highly educated, that are affluent, that are professional people, where they're like, yeah, what I gotta do now is curse out this kid.

01:55:23.000 I keep thinking about the food supply.

01:55:25.000 I can't prove a lot.

01:55:26.000 No way!

01:55:26.000 This guy's eating kale chips and, you know.

01:55:29.000 These are the rich people, dude.

01:55:30.000 I found out who the person was, actually.

01:55:32.000 Wow.

01:55:33.000 This is a software programmer.

01:55:34.000 That's insane.

01:55:35.000 Does he drink diet soda?

01:55:39.000 It's in conjunction with a lot of other things, but I think part of the psychosis of society is the last 30 years of poisoning of our food supply.

01:55:49.000 I think you're right, but you give it too much emphasis.

01:55:51.000 You're not wrong, but yeah.

01:55:52.000 Time to go to Superchats.

01:55:53.000 Yes, let's do it.

01:55:54.000 We definitely went long on this one.

01:55:55.000 We had so much fun.

01:55:56.000 Oh my god, yeah.

01:55:57.000 I was tired when I came here and now I'm all pumped up.

01:55:59.000 I know, now we're wired.

01:56:01.000 I love it.

01:56:02.000 Oh, you did have coffee too, didn't you?

01:56:03.000 A little bit.

01:56:04.000 Half and half.

01:56:05.000 I was a responsible person.

01:56:07.000 Jack Daw says, why do we have to wait for you to be banned to get this fish beaver commentary?

01:56:11.000 I think it's time to get the politics of the fishing hole channel going.

01:56:14.000 Correct.

01:56:15.000 I've long said that if I get banned, I'm just going to go fishing, like whatever, man.

01:56:18.000 Yeah, do it now.

01:56:19.000 And so they're basically saying, go do it.

01:56:20.000 Make the fishing channel.

01:56:23.000 I haven't fished in like two decades.

01:56:24.000 Listeners have spoken, Tim.

01:56:25.000 Do it.

01:56:26.000 Colin Grant says, please have Jeremy Reese on the show next Tuesday.

01:56:29.000 He will be here.

01:56:31.000 He's going to be here for the election night party.

01:56:33.000 Jeremy Reese is a quantum physicist.

01:56:35.000 He's actually got a bachelor's in science.

01:56:36.000 He studies advanced technology.

01:56:38.000 Yeah.

01:56:38.000 Oh, this is going to be crazy.

01:56:40.000 Is he going to be able to explain the parallel reality we tripped into when Donald Trump won?

01:56:46.000 Possibly.

01:56:46.000 He's working on a warp drive.

01:56:47.000 The 2020 portal that we've all sunk into.

01:56:51.000 Vibration of magnesium, man. 0.64

01:56:53.000 I just gotta point out, we have a ridiculous amount of superchats, a lot of money from people saying, The fact that you have monetized that ridiculous nonsense phrase is a beautiful thing.

01:57:07.000 It's time to make some shirts.

01:57:09.000 It was true Inanna Shabbat of the pressure. 0.74

01:57:12.000 True Inanna Shabbat of the pressure!

01:57:15.000 Look, I am not a fluent Biden translator, but we talked about it and maybe he was saying true international pressure.

01:57:25.000 Yeah.

01:57:26.000 No, no, no.

01:57:26.000 Something else.

01:57:26.000 Something.

01:57:27.000 But those three words and then a fourth word.

01:57:28.000 True international.

01:57:29.000 I can't believe I missed this.

01:57:30.000 Shabbat.

01:57:31.000 You gotta watch it.

01:57:32.000 True and non-shabbat of the pressure.

01:57:34.000 I am marginalizing true and non-shabbat of the pressure.

01:57:37.000 L4 coalition.

01:57:38.000 True and national.

01:57:39.000 True international.

01:57:42.000 Pressure.

01:57:42.000 What was the Shabbata though?

01:57:45.000 Shabbata sounds Jewish.

01:57:47.000 I listen to it a hundred times to transcribe to the best of my ability.

01:57:53.000 A lot of people are just typing true and you know and then like... That's the effort that we need.

01:57:57.000 That's right.

01:57:59.000 I take my job very seriously.

01:58:03.000 McWagan says, I checked out that kid's channel that was SuperChad yesterday.

01:58:06.000 He's a high school student that speaks out against woke culture indoctrination in our schools.

01:58:09.000 Awesome stuff.

01:58:10.000 Channel is Maxim Smith.

01:58:12.000 Yes, I saw him tweet at us the other day.

01:58:15.000 Maxim Smith.

01:58:17.000 M-A-X-I-M-S-M-I-T-H. 1.00

01:58:19.000 And he's a high school kid making videos against woke indoctrination.

01:58:24.000 Very cool.

01:58:24.000 Support the youth who are fighting against this stuff.

01:58:28.000 Indeed.

01:58:29.000 It's true, man.

01:58:30.000 I had, like, some high school kids in the neighborhood.

01:58:33.000 I hired them to, like, epoxy our garage.

01:58:35.000 Oh, cool.

01:58:36.000 And then they're like, oh, what do you do, man?

01:58:37.000 I was like, oh, you know, I'm on, you know, TV.

01:58:38.000 And I try to be, like, you know, like, I'm a writer.

01:58:41.000 And, you know, they're like, nice, man.

01:58:44.000 That's cool.

01:58:45.000 I love it.

01:58:45.000 Our teachers have gone crazy.

01:58:47.000 Really? 0.57

01:58:47.000 Unreasonable. 0.57

01:58:48.000 people there's like to be in high school now I feel like it's actually to be edgy

01:58:51.000 and transgressive to be conservative because you're fighting against your

01:58:54.000 like woke teacher you know so I was like oh well the teachers are being

01:58:58.000 unreasonable with you unreasonable you're like why didn't you do your

01:59:01.000 homework it's like because you're white you're like what San Diego just changed their grading policies. 0.85

01:59:07.000 Oh, I think I saw that.

01:59:08.000 Did you see this?

01:59:09.000 They're saying we can no longer grade people on if they complete all their work or if they turn in their homework on time or their academic performance.

01:59:16.000 We have to do holistic grading that takes into account other factors.

01:59:19.000 How is this not some kind of virus that has been implanted in our society to destroy it?

01:59:24.000 It totally is.

01:59:25.000 And I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying.

01:59:26.000 Is this returning the seeds that China mailed?

01:59:28.000 That's a good conspiracy theory.

01:59:31.000 That's like a nice linkage.

01:59:33.000 Yeah, I like that.

01:59:34.000 You plant it, one day comes up, there's a weird looking flower and you look and then it blasts you in the face. 0.88

01:59:41.000 White privilege. 0.89

01:59:44.000 White privilege. 1.00

01:59:45.000 You're a zombie. 1.00

01:59:46.000 Happy Halloween. 0.97

01:59:47.000 Let's see.

01:59:48.000 Uh, the Reaper Sun says, ah, the cinematic 24 frames per second for the ultimate immersive Tim Guest experience.

01:59:53.000 Our internet was all funky.

01:59:55.000 I have really good news though.

01:59:56.000 We literally had two guys come out and I'm going to tell you, it's going to be real.

02:00:01.000 People are going to get mad.

02:00:02.000 Do it.

02:00:03.000 The Verizon guy comes out and he goes, and we've been waiting to get Verizon installed so we can actually, and thank you Verizon.

02:00:09.000 We want, we want some good internet.

02:00:10.000 You do gigabit or higher?

02:00:11.000 Gigabit.

02:00:12.000 It's going to be great.

02:00:12.000 Right now we have garbage internet.

02:00:14.000 Oh wow.

02:00:14.000 Makes it really hard to do a lot of things.

02:00:16.000 And this guy came out and said, yeah, I noticed that in the system, it was just dormant for months.

02:00:19.000 Nobody was doing anything with it.

02:00:21.000 And I was like, we have been calling every single week.

02:00:24.000 They were like, you know, for some reason, nobody just decided to do it.

02:00:28.000 Wow.

02:00:29.000 Amazing.

02:00:30.000 It's hard.

02:00:30.000 So we actually had not only them come out, but the electricians who are going to lay the lines.

02:00:34.000 We're in the middle of nowhere.

02:00:35.000 So they have to actually do construction for a mile or so to actually get the internet working at this place.

02:00:40.000 You've got to read this one I highlighted, Tim.

02:00:42.000 Let's see.

02:00:43.000 Read it.

02:00:44.000 Unix Edu says, nice.

02:00:45.000 Tim bringing back Max Headroom style videos tonight.

02:00:48.000 Yeah, but we didn't do the thing, thing, thing, where we talk, talk, talk, talk.

02:00:53.000 You know Max Headroom, right?

02:00:54.000 Yeah.

02:00:55.000 Joe Biden.

02:00:56.000 True or not, Shabbat, Shabbat, Shabbat, pressure, pressure.

02:00:59.000 Joe Headroom.

02:01:00.000 Joe Headroom.

02:01:02.000 True.

02:01:02.000 Snafu says, always remember that the left and the democratic controlled media always

02:01:06.000 tell you what they are calling you, always tell you what they are by calling you those

02:01:11.000 things.

02:01:12.000 Yep.

02:01:13.000 Just remember Communist Manifesto is being used by them.

02:01:15.000 True.

02:01:16.000 Is it?

02:01:17.000 Wow.

02:01:18.000 Sure is.

02:01:19.000 Dude, we were so on to something talking about the Russian Revolution, man.

02:01:20.000 That is such an archetype.

02:01:21.000 They had a king they were revolting against.

02:01:23.000 We don't, which is part of why I think we can beat this thing or defeat the concept.

02:01:28.000 Dude, I saw a friend post, I've never voted before but now I'm doing my duty and it was a picture of a ballot going into the ballot box and it was like, we must stop Trump, he's destroying democracy.

02:01:39.000 And I'm just like, the amount of things I must tell you.

02:01:42.000 First of all, already voted, and I'm like, is it destroying democracy to appoint Supreme Court justices as per the rules of our system?

02:01:50.000 Is it, like, when we had Vaush in here, he was saying that Trump's use of executive authority, executive orders, was, like, authoritarian, and I'm like, but that's literally the confines of the executive branch.

02:01:59.000 And it's also, he's utilized it in much less aggressive ways in the last administration.

02:02:04.000 Well, he argued that Trump was doing more.

02:02:06.000 But regardless, I don't care.

02:02:07.000 Regardless, it's the same principle.

02:02:08.000 It's the same mechanism.

02:02:09.000 And there's a system by which we reconcile.

02:02:12.000 You file a lawsuit.

02:02:13.000 It goes to the courts.

02:02:14.000 Guess what?

02:02:15.000 When you're president, you're a powerful guy.

02:02:16.000 That's how it works.

02:02:18.000 So interestingly, someone brings it up.

02:02:20.000 Shlomo says, Vosch didn't know the text of the executive order.

02:02:23.000 He was railing against the banning of a specific ideology.

02:02:26.000 He needs to see the language.

02:02:27.000 Yes.

02:02:27.000 And I do want to say, I'm not trying to drag him.

02:02:29.000 I have tremendous respect for him coming on and actually trying to give his ideas.

02:02:32.000 But I think it's fair to say at this point, a lot of them were not particularly, you know.

02:02:36.000 I also agree.

02:02:37.000 It's important to raise the warning sign if people talk about banning theory, teaching theory in any school in the United States.

02:02:43.000 You know, it's a free speech is the backbone of what we do here.

02:02:48.000 Yeah.

02:02:50.000 Are we good?

02:02:50.000 Ready?

02:02:51.000 Yeah.

02:02:51.000 I don't know if you want to follow up.

02:02:52.000 The warning flag doesn't mean you're not going to do it.

02:02:53.000 It just means there's a warning flag up.

02:02:55.000 Let's examine it.

02:02:56.000 Perfect.

02:02:56.000 Acoustic Theory says critical race theory is the center of what global elites expect will be the intellectual undoing of America.

02:03:02.000 At its core is a Marxist retelling of a racial supremacist narrative.

02:03:06.000 Perplexed Patriot says, Tim, can you use the power of the beanie to predict the election better than the thousands of soon-to-be-unemployed pollsters?

02:03:14.000 I mean, you couldn't do worse.

02:03:16.000 I don't know what's gonna happen, but I'll tell you what.

02:03:20.000 Come election night, We don't even know if we'll have the total results of who's gonna win.

02:03:23.000 We will not.

02:03:24.000 It may be that Trump wins some states we didn't think possible, and so they're just like, okay, mail-in ballots don't matter at this point.

02:03:31.000 I tell you this.

02:03:32.000 Oh, no.

02:03:32.000 No matter who wins... I know where you're going with this.

02:03:34.000 Where?

02:03:34.000 What?

02:03:34.000 Where am I going?

02:03:35.000 You're going with this.

02:03:35.000 This could not be decided for weeks or... No, no, no, no.

02:03:37.000 Oh, well, sure.

02:03:38.000 Well, for sure, yeah.

02:03:39.000 No, what I was gonna say is, I assure you, no matter what happens at the end of that night, I am going to be laughing.

02:03:43.000 They're having a good time.

02:03:45.000 I think one of the big things that separates at least me from whatever that woke crowd is, when Trump won, that woman drops to her knees and screams in the sky.

02:03:55.000 Dude, you know what I'm gonna do?

02:03:58.000 When Trump won, I laughed.

02:04:00.000 It was like the guy with the two women, that meme where the women are like, and the guy's laughing.

02:04:04.000 I'm just like, roll with it.

02:04:05.000 What are you gonna do?

02:04:07.000 You gotta survive.

02:04:07.000 You gotta be strong.

02:04:08.000 You gotta be mature.

02:04:09.000 If Joe Biden wins, I'm gonna laugh.

02:04:12.000 Now, admittedly, that means we don't get the great memes, okay?

02:04:15.000 This is what many conservatives are worried about.

02:04:17.000 But I'm willing to bet there's gonna be some conservative meltdown videos, but I gotta be honest.

02:04:21.000 No way, dude.

02:04:22.000 There will be, but they're not gonna be entertaining.

02:04:25.000 True.

02:04:25.000 It's gonna be a guy going, it's gonna be like, you know, Glenn Beck saying, America.

02:04:29.000 It's serious this time, and we need to come together, and it's gonna be like, okay, Glenn, you know, you're right.

02:04:34.000 But they're not true meltdowns, they're not emotional breakdowns.

02:04:38.000 The extent to which we're gonna see conservatives is, there might be some people, but I really don't think, you know what it is?

02:04:44.000 It's that the conservatives aren't going to pull out their phones, put them in their car on the dashboard and drive and go, no, Trump!

02:04:51.000 I'm imagining it's a middle-aged guy with sunglasses on, you know, like the very stereotypical, and he's driving, Trump lost!

02:04:58.000 It's not going to happen.

02:04:59.000 It's not going to, you know, I got an old buddy works at a tech company and he's like, dude, he's like, first of all, you know, I don't vote.

02:05:05.000 I really don't care.

02:05:06.000 So I was like, all right, that's true.

02:05:07.000 Uh, my friend, he's like, but like my team of like salespeople, all the people come in the next day and they're crying.

02:05:14.000 I had a bunch of people call out.

02:05:15.000 They're too emotionally traumatized.

02:05:17.000 They can't come in.

02:05:18.000 Our executives brought in trauma counselors and grief counselors to like coach our, it's like, what is wrong with people?

02:05:24.000 Because Trump tweeted?

02:05:25.000 No, when Trump won in 2016.

02:05:27.000 And it had these trauma set and it's like, if you are emotionally debilitated because an opposing political party won, that's not because of the politics.

02:05:39.000 It's because of you.

02:05:40.000 It's like, look, I'm invested.

02:05:42.000 I had a great thing working with the president's team on this thing.

02:05:47.000 I'd love to see it win.

02:05:48.000 I'd love for us to extend it to K-12 schools and universities.

02:05:52.000 But if he loses, I'll be like, all right, cool.

02:05:53.000 Well, now we're going to shift our strategy, do something different.

02:05:56.000 Figure something else out.

02:05:57.000 Yeah.

02:05:57.000 You can't invest your emotion and psychology into that stuff.

02:06:01.000 It's not good.

02:06:02.000 But I would say that I'm kind of concerned about the future, and I'm worried about having kids and stuff.

02:06:06.000 So I guess we'd cross that bridge when we get there.

02:06:08.000 You know what, man?

02:06:08.000 I've always been... We were talking about this with Jack, about not being afraid of being the other.

02:06:18.000 I don't care.

02:06:19.000 If this country goes insane and people are running around doing crazy things, I'll advocate for it to cease and for people to be arrested.

02:06:26.000 But if we came to a point where the whole country was critical race theory or whatever, bro, I'll go down to the mountains.

02:06:31.000 Dude, we could run this show without a president.

02:06:34.000 We don't need someone sitting there to do this right.

02:06:36.000 Yeah.

02:06:37.000 Well, I'm just saying, at the end of the day, it comes down to the individual and you need to be responsible for yourself.

02:06:43.000 So if the whole country goes woke and crazy, it's like, I'll take care of myself and I'll do the best that I can.

02:06:48.000 And I think that's why moderates, conservatives, and even people who are disaffected liberals are mature adults.

02:06:54.000 And that's really, I think there really is a separation.

02:06:56.000 I mean, look, like you mentioned, trauma counselors, these people are not adults.

02:06:59.000 They're like, you know, I kind of view it as sort of, A permanent childhood, similar to what we did to wolves, you know?

02:07:09.000 Dogs are basically permanently child, like wolf cubs, you know what I mean?

02:07:12.000 I was reading about this.

02:07:13.000 You have a lot of people who've not reached that level of maturity where they understand what life really is.

02:07:18.000 And I wonder if it's because they're pampered and protected.

02:07:20.000 It's the result of our wealth and success.

02:07:23.000 Because I've been homeless.

02:07:24.000 I've slept outside.

02:07:26.000 I've been in the middle of nowhere.

02:07:28.000 I've gone camping.

02:07:29.000 I'm willing to bet many of these people have never gone to the woods.

02:07:32.000 It's like, what do you do when you have to take a dump and you're in the middle of the woods and you're 30 miles out?

02:07:35.000 They probably have no idea.

02:07:36.000 Don't cut yourself.

02:07:37.000 They have no idea.

02:07:39.000 So to them, it's like there's something always there for them.

02:07:42.000 And if they don't get it, what do they do?

02:07:43.000 They bark at people.

02:07:44.000 It's just like... What did you feel the moment you found out Trump won 2016?

02:07:49.000 Honestly, I'm just shocked and disbelief.

02:07:51.000 I was with a friend of mine, we were watching The Returns, and I said, I can't believe this is like, what is happening?

02:07:56.000 I just kind of shocked, disbelief, interest, curiosity.

02:08:00.000 I didn't really have a dog in the fight.

02:08:02.000 I wasn't, you know, emotionally invested either way.

02:08:04.000 I just said, this is crazy.

02:08:06.000 Nothing like this has ever happened before.

02:08:09.000 And buckle up, it's going to be an interesting four years.

02:08:12.000 I felt like someone hit me in the gut.

02:08:13.000 I woke up at like 2 a.m.

02:08:14.000 to check the results, and it just felt like the wind knocked out of me for a second.

02:08:18.000 I think it shocked me out of this, like... Remember I was telling you I thought we were going to get nuked when I was in L.A.?

02:08:24.000 And it was like, Hillary's in!

02:08:26.000 The system's rigged, we're all doomed anyway.

02:08:28.000 And I just got shocked out of it when Trump won.

02:08:32.000 Let's see, uh, Balian says, every time I try bringing up Tucker to my liberal friends, it's always, oh, well, Fox lawyers won a case saying any intelligent person would never take anything he says seriously, so I'm not listening to this lying POS.

02:08:43.000 Rachel Maddow.

02:08:44.000 That's, uh, that's on Tucker.

02:08:46.000 Project Veritas says they won't settle.

02:08:47.000 They'll take it all the way.

02:08:48.000 Tucker should've.

02:08:49.000 End of story.

02:08:50.000 And if, and, and that's it.

02:08:51.000 And if he got something wrong, he should, he can admit he's wrong.

02:08:53.000 Veritas wins, man.

02:08:54.000 Well, if anybody sues, you don't settle.

02:08:57.000 You just take it all the way and drive it to the ground.

02:08:59.000 End of story.

02:09:00.000 If Tucker won his case by claiming that he's not reasonable, he caved.

02:09:05.000 That's on him.

02:09:07.000 And you have to figure out how to argue past that.

02:09:09.000 That's true.

02:09:10.000 Find someone else.

02:09:11.000 What was the case?

02:09:12.000 I don't know.

02:09:14.000 Flaming Short says, is socialism caused by schizophrenia spectrum, fascism by psychopathy, liberalism by autistic spectrum?

02:09:21.000 I don't know.

02:09:22.000 I think socialism is caused by ignorance, but that might be too vague.

02:09:25.000 Yeah, a little bit.

02:09:25.000 I don't know.

02:09:26.000 It just seems it's like an ideal, like, let's all just share everything all the time.

02:09:30.000 Very pie-in-the-sky.

02:09:30.000 I don't think it's reducible to mental illness, which is what they're suggesting.

02:09:33.000 They're saying there's a DSM category for every political ideology.

02:09:37.000 I don't think it's that.

02:09:38.000 I think a lot of people are well-intentioned, you know?

02:09:41.000 It's just the gap between intentions and results.

02:09:44.000 One eats burritos says if you're if you're really about freedom of speech Tim you you would Nick Fuentes on

02:09:50.000 He's actually banned for being a dissident voice and then he says Vosh pedo apologists

02:09:56.000 Here's here's what I've said over and over again. And now I'm gonna start a tally list. I have a tally already. I

02:10:02.000 I will not be bullied into having people come on this show and I will have them on if they're relevant and I don't care if, you know, someone like Nick has been banned and whatever.

02:10:12.000 We'll have anybody we want on.

02:10:14.000 And I'll also state that these people are kind of trying to sabotage Nick's chances of coming on because he was already recommended to us a while ago and we've already been, you know, working on setting something up.

02:10:24.000 So for people to come out now and, like, start... I'm getting messages all the time, people are tweeting at me like crazy, and they're very, like, derogatory.

02:10:31.000 It's almost like they're trying to make sure we don't book this guy.

02:10:33.000 He's one of the America First guys, and he got banned from a bunch of platforms.

02:10:38.000 And so we had, you know, one guy on, and everyone's like, well, they got this guy on, and I'm like, no, no, we're gonna have on who we want to have on.

02:10:43.000 And I'm not gonna let people say, well, if you have him, you gotta have him.

02:10:45.000 If you have him, you gotta have him.

02:10:47.000 But a good friend of mine actually asked that we reach out to him because of how he got banned and censorship is such a big deal.

02:10:52.000 But now all these people, you know, are trying to be really adversarial about it.

02:10:56.000 And it's kind of, you know, it's kind of off-putting.

02:10:58.000 No, it's really off-putting.

02:10:59.000 Yeah, it's like, but it could be people who hate him trying to make sure we don't book him.

02:11:03.000 That's possible.

02:11:03.000 You know, so that's why I don't take him.

02:11:05.000 I would like to say that I am actually keeping a tally, and the more people who bother me about Nick Fuentes, the less likely I am to want to talk to him.

02:11:15.000 Don't fall for the false flag.

02:11:16.000 Yeah, but I don't want to fall for people knowing that it's like... Because I think that might be what it is, because I had someone reach out to me very politely and be like, hey, we'd love to make the case for actually having a conversation about this.

02:11:29.000 You know who we should have on?

02:11:31.000 get on Twitter are like trying to make it seem like he's a bad like he's

02:11:34.000 attacking us or whatever. Right. That's why I'm like you know who we should have on

02:11:37.000 Nick Fuentes. So he got I don't know the full details like the main issue is we

02:11:43.000 have to like we produce shows so we want to figure out what what makes sense and

02:11:48.000 what's relevant.

02:11:49.000 But people think we just like randomly, like, one day we'll be like, oh, let's have this guy I've never heard of come on the show.

02:11:54.000 But I know who Nick is, and I know a little bit, and I'm talking with a friend who actually is very familiar with his circumstances, so stay tuned.

02:12:01.000 Let's see.

02:12:02.000 Wolfhammer says, began fighting critical race theory in college in 92.

02:12:06.000 Best day was when a black woman professor came in and tore down the idea right in front of all the white professors. 1.00

02:12:11.000 Wow. 0.93

02:12:13.000 Fierce.

02:12:14.000 What is it?

02:12:15.000 I don't know what that super chat is.

02:12:16.000 I'm just going to skip it.

02:12:17.000 Let's see.

02:12:18.000 Mrs. Uploader says, Big Tech diversity is a Trojan horse made by career hungry.

02:12:22.000 I'm a Facebook employee.

02:12:24.000 Made by career hungry.

02:12:26.000 90% employees are not white across Big Tech.

02:12:29.000 75% are not American.

02:12:30.000 Apple iTunes team is 99% Indian.

02:12:31.000 YouTube marketing is 95% women. 0.98

02:12:33.000 Wow.

02:12:37.000 Let's see.

02:12:38.000 Nathan F. says, Tim, you are moving in the right direction.

02:12:41.000 I know it's hard to believe, but this type of division was planted in our country decades ago.

02:12:45.000 Please check out G. Edward Griffin's clip, More Deadly Than War, from 1969.

02:12:49.000 Do you know what that is?

02:12:51.000 Yeah, I think he's like warning against kind of communist infiltration.

02:12:55.000 It's like a Cold War propaganda film that some people think is accurate for today.

02:12:59.000 I think it's that.

02:13:01.000 It is.

02:13:01.000 I would say.

02:13:02.000 Spork Witch says, I was job hunting for the better part of a year in 2016-17.

02:13:07.000 Once I stopped marking white male disabled veteran and marked decline to

02:13:11.000 answer decline to answer disabled veteran, my ratio of callbacks to

02:13:14.000 applications doubled. You want to know what's crazy? When I was growing up, I was

02:13:19.000 told by my parents never to mark down that I was Asian.

02:13:22.000 Just put other. They said don't put anything or if you really want to, you know,

02:13:27.000 just like yeah other.

02:13:30.000 I don't even put Caucasian, I put other. 1.00

02:13:32.000 Don't put white. 0.98

02:13:33.000 They said don't put white or don't put Asian.

02:13:35.000 I know a lot of biracial couples in my area that basically counsel their kids to just say, try to pass as white on your applications because the Asian penalty is like 400 SAT points or something extreme.

02:13:48.000 I was told I'd be better off just trying to claim that I was Latino.

02:13:51.000 Well, it'd be a lot better.

02:13:52.000 I'd be like, they'd be like, are you Caucasian?

02:13:54.000 I'm like, no, I'm not from the Caucasus.

02:13:56.000 That was always the weird thing.

02:13:57.000 I'm American, though.

02:13:58.000 I worked with this guy when I worked at American Eagle Airlines.

02:14:02.000 And we were talking about all this stuff, because it was super mixed.

02:14:04.000 It was like Hispanic guys, there were guys from South America, there were Filipino guys.

02:14:07.000 And then one dude, this tall black dude, got really angry.

02:14:11.000 It's out of nowhere.

02:14:11.000 And he goes, they keep calling me African-American, but I'm from Haiti.

02:14:16.000 And we were like, that's a good point.

02:14:18.000 He's like, I'm not from Africa.

02:14:20.000 Yeah.

02:14:21.000 Yeah.

02:14:22.000 And then someone brought up Caucasus.

02:14:23.000 They were like, nobody in this room is from the Caucasus region.

02:14:26.000 Why are they Caucasian? 1.00

02:14:27.000 That's so weird.

02:14:28.000 Time for the American race. 1.00

02:14:29.000 Correct, sir.

02:14:31.000 Let's see.

02:14:31.000 Flemish Populous says, it has been demonstrated that the more you discriminate against someone for a specific characteristic, the more they identify themselves by that characteristic, i.e.

02:14:40.000 race, gender, religion, etc.

02:14:42.000 Interesting.

02:14:43.000 Morgan Freeman speaks about that a lot.

02:14:44.000 He's like, the best way to get rid of racism, stop calling me a black man, I'll stop calling you a white man, just call me a man.

02:14:49.000 Well, that's at odds with critical race theory.

02:14:53.000 I don't know about that.

02:14:53.000 Reaperbot says, if the far left wants pro-abortion no matter what, which gives women the ability to

02:14:59.000 opt out of parenthood, then maybe the US should remove court-mandated child support, so men no 1.00

02:15:04.000 longer forced to help support a child they did not want to have. I've actually heard that argument

02:15:07.000 from leftists. They've said that they're absolutely okay with if women have a right to choose, then 0.76

02:15:13.000 men have a right to choose to sever. I don't know. I don't know about that. What do you guys think?

02:15:18.000 I don't think they're equivalent.

02:15:21.000 Yeah, they're not.

02:15:22.000 It's like a false analogy.

02:15:23.000 Dichotomy.

02:15:24.000 False.

02:15:24.000 Yeah.

02:15:27.000 Let's see.

02:15:27.000 What does it say?

02:15:28.000 Cole Mellon says, Chris, fellow Washingtonian here, how do you feel about Evergreen State College?

02:15:33.000 I live in Olympia.

02:15:33.000 I hate that school.

02:15:35.000 Well, Evergreen State College is a great case study.

02:15:37.000 This is the first college where kind of woke student mobs took over the campus. 0.68

02:15:42.000 They had the day of kind of separation or the day of Right.

02:15:45.000 whatever they were calling it, they were forcing white students to leave the

02:15:48.000 campus and some brave, very progressive, very liberal professors stood up,

02:15:52.000 Bret Weinstein and others, and they got booted off campus as a big, kind of

02:15:56.000 the first scandal of the woke college mobs.

02:15:58.000 You see the photo of them with the baseball bats?

02:16:01.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:16:02.000 That's your new Chaz police force.

02:16:04.000 Super cringe.

02:16:06.000 But the thing that's really interesting about Evergreen right now is that their enrollment has dropped from like 5,000 something to 2,000.

02:16:13.000 So they've been hit hard, and I think it shows again, like professional sports, like basketball, like these other things, they go really hard woke, but then it does them enormous damage.

02:16:26.000 So that makes me very happy. 1.00

02:16:27.000 It's the economy, stupid. 1.00

02:16:29.000 Why would someone go to college? 1.00

02:16:31.000 So they can have a better life and have the things they want and succeed.

02:16:35.000 And so when you have people... And you know what?

02:16:37.000 I'll tell you what.

02:16:38.000 This is a sign that the polls may be wrong.

02:16:40.000 Just some side evidence.

02:16:42.000 Parents talking to their kids.

02:16:44.000 And their kids are like, I want to go to school.

02:16:46.000 And the parents are like, I want my kid to succeed, have a good job, get a good house, you know, have a family.

02:16:50.000 Don't go to that school.

02:16:51.000 You see the Jim Gaffigan?

02:16:52.000 No, not Jim Gaffigan.

02:16:53.000 Jim Brewer.

02:16:54.000 Yeah.

02:16:55.000 Jim Brewer, the guy from Half-Baked?

02:16:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:16:58.000 So he's got a stand-up, and I haven't seen the stand-up, but he's got a bit that was being marketed where he's like, so my daughter came home from college and she's like, you can't say that!

02:17:08.000 Racist! 0.91

02:17:09.000 Racist! 0.99

02:17:09.000 You can't say that! 0.99

02:17:10.000 You racist! 1.00

02:17:10.000 Racist! 1.00

02:17:11.000 Racist! 1.00

02:17:12.000 And I'm paying for it! 0.97

02:17:13.000 I want my money back!

02:17:15.000 Right. 0.94

02:17:15.000 Hey, for the record, you weren't calling Chris stupid. 0.94

02:17:18.000 It's the economy stupid. 1.00

02:17:19.000 It's the economy stupid. 1.00

02:17:20.000 What is that from? 1.00

02:17:21.000 What is that from?

02:17:22.000 For a minute I was like, yeah.

02:17:23.000 What's Carville?

02:17:24.000 Was it Carville?

02:17:25.000 James Carville.

02:17:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:27.000 Back in Clinton. 1.00

02:17:28.000 It's the economy, stupid. 1.00

02:17:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:30.000 So right now you got people, I tell you what, man, I've met so many people and a lot of

02:17:34.000 them complain about how Trump acts and behaves, but the money's good.

02:17:38.000 I know.

02:17:38.000 The money's real good.

02:17:40.000 Right now, according to Gallup, 55% of Americans say they're better off now than four years ago.

02:17:45.000 Let's see how good their memories are, and if they can, you know, if they trust in Trump to get us out of this, because if they're better off now than they were four years ago, that means under Biden they weren't doing so well.

02:17:54.000 And they're doing way better now under Trump.

02:17:55.000 That's a good point.

02:17:57.000 Yeah.

02:17:57.000 Ian Hall says, to Ian's point, Gattaca!

02:18:00.000 Eugenics for the win. 1.00

02:18:01.000 I don't know if eugenics is a good thing. 1.00

02:18:03.000 No.

02:18:04.000 The progressives were super into it back in the early 1900s.

02:18:06.000 Oh yeah, Margaret Sanger, baby.

02:18:08.000 Is there any value to eugenics? 0.75

02:18:10.000 No.

02:18:12.000 I think, you know, but critical race theory is bizarrely kind of... eugenics is scientific racism about 100 years ago.

02:18:19.000 The idea is that you can reduce someone to an essential racial characteristic, you know, and then sort them into a hierarchy based on those characteristics.

02:18:29.000 And it's, I mean, false science, right?

02:18:31.000 But the critical race theorists do really the same thing.

02:18:34.000 They say you can be reduced to whiteness or blackness.

02:18:37.000 It's the same thing.

02:18:39.000 It's race essentialism. 0.93

02:18:41.000 And I just tell people race essentialism was wrong a hundred years ago.

02:18:44.000 It's wrong today.

02:18:46.000 No good.

02:18:47.000 Yeah.

02:18:47.000 That's playing God.

02:18:48.000 Yeah.

02:18:48.000 Kevin Kline says Alex Jones is right.

02:18:51.000 Prove me wrong.

02:18:53.000 Well, um, I don't know if I want to put, you know, I was thinking Alex Jones on the show.

02:18:58.000 We're trying.

02:18:58.000 Yeah, we want to try.

02:19:00.000 And I want to get him here with like a leftist.

02:19:01.000 Yes.

02:19:02.000 Yes.

02:19:03.000 Yes!

02:19:03.000 That would be like the greatest show ever.

02:19:05.000 Great similarity.

02:19:07.000 A leftist of similar physical size.

02:19:09.000 I feel like you need to have an evenly matched scenario.

02:19:12.000 We had this guy on Vosh and he's a YouTuber.

02:19:15.000 He really is cool.

02:19:15.000 I like him.

02:19:18.000 A lot of people don't like him.

02:19:19.000 A lot of people really don't like him because of comments he's said in the past and they accuse him of all these things.

02:19:22.000 He's like a dandy gamer.

02:19:24.000 I don't care if you want to criticize him for all those things.

02:19:27.000 Everything the left says about Alex Jones, people on the right will say is ridiculous, it's wrong, and the left is defending Vaush.

02:19:32.000 So you know what I said?

02:19:33.000 They tried canceling Joe Rogan because he had Alex Jones on.

02:19:36.000 Around the exact same time, people were getting mad at me for having Vaush on, and I was like, my response to people was, I'm gonna book him again.

02:19:41.000 And he's an ex-boxer, like he's a big dude.

02:19:44.000 Who, Vasha's? 0.52

02:19:44.000 Vasha. 0.52

02:19:45.000 Oh, really?

02:19:45.000 He boxed.

02:19:46.000 I was like, oh, you tell me I can't book somebody, I'll book him again.

02:19:49.000 Yeah.

02:19:49.000 But, uh, no, I want to book him with Alex Jones.

02:19:51.000 Yes!

02:19:52.000 Oh my god.

02:19:52.000 So I tweeted, well, I want to clarify too.

02:19:55.000 So I tweeted, I'd love to book them both at the same time to create a cancel culture singularity.

02:20:00.000 I don't know if there's like... That's so funny!

02:20:03.000 Let's do it!

02:20:05.000 But it was a matter of circumstance.

02:20:07.000 Not that I think Alex perfectly exemplifies a right-wing person or Vasha a left-wing person.

02:20:11.000 It was just at that moment, that's what people were saying.

02:20:13.000 So I was like, great, I'll bring them both on!

02:20:15.000 Let's do it!

02:20:16.000 And I'm pretty sure they both would be down for that kind of show.

02:20:21.000 And most people are.

02:20:23.000 Normal people are down with a wide range of opinions.

02:20:26.000 And honestly, you can say out-of-the-box stuff, and it's only a small minority, a very small moral dictatorship from both sides that wants to cancel other people.

02:20:37.000 A lot of times, little things people say will get caught by the media and replayed over and over again, and that's what people think people are, and it's not at all what people are.

02:20:45.000 This is a good one.

02:20:47.000 Stankly Balls says, Tim, you need to get hammered on election night, and at the end of the night where you have a wrestling match with Vosh, you then need to end the night where you take off the beanie, light it on fire, and the color will show the results. 0.70

02:21:01.000 Excellent!

02:21:02.000 I'm pretty sure everyone is going to be watching the results too, and they're going to get notifications if we know who won the president, and you don't need me to light my beanie on fire.

02:21:11.000 I'm not going to know before anyone else.

02:21:13.000 I want it.

02:21:14.000 Stephanie B says just here to prove I'm real piss people off since I was bombarded for super chat saying Tim was

02:21:20.000 attractive I'm still real Tim still attractive too bad. He thinks 27

02:21:24.000 is too young PS Lydia has the most calming voice could hear her for

02:21:28.000 hours. Oh, there you go Let's see here

02:21:33.000 Super Chats. 0.91

02:21:35.000 Jacob Brownfield says, dropped out of college in January 2017 because of critical race theory.

02:21:39.000 I couldn't bring myself to write an essay about the culture of whiteness in America. 0.58

02:21:43.000 Now I make 45 to 50K a year instead of taking a loan.

02:21:47.000 Hey, well, there you go.

02:21:48.000 Win-win, huh?

02:21:48.000 Good for him.

02:21:49.000 There you go.

02:21:50.000 Cool.

02:21:51.000 Bizinski says, I realized a lot of audience is unprincipled for haranguing you getting guests they don't like.

02:21:57.000 Free speech is free, and you exercise it.

02:21:59.000 Well, I'll tell you something.

02:22:01.000 We got, I think, 85% thumbs up on the Vosh episode.

02:22:04.000 There are real reasons to criticize him.

02:22:05.000 I'm not defending anything he said or believes in.

02:22:08.000 But only 15% were upset that we actually booked somebody.

02:22:12.000 We had another person on the show.

02:22:13.000 People weren't happy, but it's always around 10 or 15%.

02:22:16.000 And I think it's because most people who watch me are kind of just chill, moderate, slightly to the right, maybe a little to the left, maybe libertarian, and they want to hear conversations and they want to see good ideas flourish.

02:22:27.000 So I think, look, if there's some people who don't like the show, you just don't watch it.

02:22:30.000 It's really that simple.

02:22:31.000 I will say, though, I want to clarify something.

02:22:34.000 A lot of people who are complaining clearly don't understand leftist tactics.

02:22:38.000 Are you familiar with, like, leftist tactics with shutting down speech and stuff?

02:22:41.000 Mm-hmm.

02:22:42.000 You're familiar with deplatforming?

02:22:44.000 Mm-hmm.

02:22:44.000 And are you familiar with no-platforming?

02:22:46.000 Yeah.

02:22:47.000 They're different.

02:22:47.000 Yeah.

02:22:48.000 Mm-hmm.

02:22:48.000 So what people are saying is, Tim Poole has a show, which is a platform, and he shouldn't invite people to give them that platform.

02:22:56.000 That's called no-platforming.

02:22:57.000 Mm-hmm.

02:22:58.000 Deplatforming would be if I book someone and then I get barraged with hate demanding I ban him.

02:23:02.000 Yeah.

02:23:03.000 No platforming is saying no platform for X. And so it's interesting.

02:23:08.000 I looked this up.

02:23:08.000 I think it goes back to the 70s actually.

02:23:10.000 There was a movement in the UK, no platform for fascism or whatever.

02:23:14.000 And so they said they created a coalition within their universities.

02:23:18.000 They would not allow any speakers to be given a platform.

02:23:21.000 And as they said, you have a right to free speech.

02:23:23.000 You can go speak wherever you want.

02:23:25.000 I have no obligation to give you a platform.

02:23:27.000 Right.

02:23:27.000 That's called no platforming.

02:23:28.000 It doesn't mean that I'm going to book everyone.

02:23:30.000 And then people are saying, well, that means that Tim has to book this person.

02:23:33.000 No, it doesn't.

02:23:34.000 It means that if I choose to book someone, I'm not going to give in to people demanding I know platform ideas they don't like. 0.87

02:23:40.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

02:23:41.000 Then there's no end point to that. 0.93

02:23:42.000 There's no limit to that.

02:23:43.000 So I have to just, anyone you want, I got to put them on the show to prove to you?

02:23:47.000 No platform, no gesso.

02:23:49.000 You know, within your audience and your friends, if people, you know, some people get a principal disagreement with you, of course, and I think you would engage with that, but you have to separate people that you cannot please with people that you can have a dialogue with.

02:24:02.000 And this might be one of those cases, I don't know.

02:24:04.000 Yeah, some people are saying it's because he's a he's a grifter.

02:24:07.000 He's a, you know, Vosch is a bad faith actor or whatever.

02:24:09.000 And I'm like, look, man, that may be true, but they say the same thing about me.

02:24:13.000 They say the same thing about Ben Shapiro.

02:24:14.000 They say the same thing about Alex Jones.

02:24:16.000 So it's like... Grifter is a meaningless word at this point.

02:24:18.000 It's like, it's like, it's like in the in the 90s when a band sold out.

02:24:23.000 Oh, there's sellouts.

02:24:24.000 It's like, That's good, right?

02:24:27.000 You ever watch monk debates?

02:24:32.000 Yes.

02:24:33.000 You know what I would love?

02:24:35.000 I would love if like Jordan Peterson and Alex Jones were on one side and then you had just like, I wouldn't know who you'd have on the left, but the idea is to get like a serious intellectual.

02:24:43.000 They had Steve Bannon on a monk debate.

02:24:45.000 Oh yeah, I saw that.

02:24:46.000 Yeah.

02:24:47.000 Interesting.

02:24:47.000 Yeah.

02:24:48.000 Not, uh, Alex Jones is a very bombastic, entertaining fellow, putting him next to a Jordan Peterson professor and then doing the same thing for the left and like, debate!

02:24:58.000 And then you have, you know, Jordan, I don't know how he would deal with Alex or Alex with Jordan, but it would be really funny, wouldn't it?

02:25:03.000 Like them trying to argue on the same side.

02:25:05.000 You'll eventually have quantum computers and artificial intelligence that'll be able to, like, set up a Tim Pool versus whoever you want to see debate.

02:25:12.000 And then it'll happen as the artificial intelligence thinks Tim would be.

02:25:16.000 And so you don't have to force Tim to have 80 million people on the show.

02:25:19.000 You just simulate it later.

02:25:20.000 Simulate it.

02:25:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:25:22.000 Aidan Paladin says, Thank you, Chris.

02:25:25.000 All the CRT opponents getting called ignorant should read CRT studies.

02:25:29.000 They have been so much worse and more egregious in the mainstream for 35 years. 0.94

02:25:33.000 It's unbelievable racism.

02:25:35.000 I would absolutely agree with that.

02:25:36.000 And Aidan, come on the show.

02:25:39.000 We have a bunch of people who want it.

02:25:40.000 We have a list of people who want to book on the show.

02:25:42.000 Anton Maxson says, has anyone ever pondered the question about the extreme contrast that has unfolded after the 2012 Mayan prophecy scare?

02:25:49.000 Love the show.

02:25:50.000 Great work.

02:25:51.000 Let me tell you.

02:25:53.000 I remember a long time ago.

02:25:55.000 December 21st, 2012, they said, right?

02:25:58.000 Oh yeah.

02:25:58.000 And they said, the world's gonna end!

02:26:00.000 And then people started saying, it was very simple.

02:26:02.000 No, the calendar just stops and then starts over.

02:26:04.000 It would be like saying, December 31st, the world's gonna end, because the calendar stops.

02:26:08.000 But I read something a long time ago.

02:26:11.000 Way before 2012 I was on the internet that the Mayan prophecy was actually about a great awakening That would have would create it was a great awakening that would occur where people would start to understand each other more and gradually come to know each other's thoughts and I read that and I was like, I wonder what that means and then I 2012 was when we started seeing in political campaigning

02:26:33.000 the use of social media very heavily and then Twitter became more and more prominent and now we

02:26:38.000 are in the world where everyone can see everyone's thoughts on Twitter. Neural net is around

02:26:42.000 the corner. Elon Musk. What is it? Neuralink?

02:26:45.000 Oh yeah that's what I'm talking about. Oh yeah.

02:26:47.000 Dude, we really are learning each other's thoughts with the internet.

02:26:50.000 Jeff Norman says, bring back the UFO spinning tabletop thing.

02:26:53.000 I got you one better.

02:26:55.000 I believe it's downstairs.

02:26:56.000 I think we got to go get it.

02:26:58.000 So the UFO was a levitating lamp, and I ordered a levitating potted plant.

02:27:04.000 So, I thought it would be funny because the plant is actually alive.

02:27:08.000 So, what we have is we have this duster for the table, and people would be like, spin the UFO, and then we would turn the air on and spin it.

02:27:14.000 Now we're gonna have this poor potted plant spinning at high rates of speed, not understanding what's happening, and now that the plant has a brain or anything.

02:27:23.000 Live plant abuse.

02:27:24.000 Yes, I'm excited.

02:27:25.000 I don't think it'll actually have a negative impact on the plant, but if it will, then I won't.

02:27:29.000 It'll be really good.

02:27:30.000 I don't think it will.

02:27:31.000 It'll be good, yeah.

02:27:32.000 But it might, the water might, you know, get, you know, centripetal force or whatever.

02:27:36.000 So I'll make sure we don't actually... We got two recommendations here.

02:27:40.000 Eric says, you and Jimmy Dore gotta have a three-hour session.

02:27:44.000 I went on Jimmy Dore's show before, and Jimmy's definitely invited.

02:27:46.000 I would love to have Jimmy.

02:27:47.000 Jimmy's awesome.

02:27:49.000 Craig F says, book Andy, no?

02:27:50.000 We're trying, man.

02:27:51.000 We have a list of people that we've actually reached out to a lot of them.

02:27:54.000 And I will stress, on our list of potential guests, yes is Nick Fuentes.

02:28:01.000 I've been talking to some people.

02:28:02.000 Yeah, I bring this up because I suppose if there really is people messaging me with the tactic of like mentioning him, it's working!

02:28:08.000 Congratulations, you know?

02:28:10.000 But we have a list of a lot of people.

02:28:12.000 My thing is like, you know what, man?

02:28:16.000 We do a sort of a journalistic thing.

02:28:20.000 I hate the word journalism at this point because everyone always argues who is and who isn't.

02:28:24.000 Who's writing in his journal now?

02:28:26.000 No, but you know, look, we've had people on where it's been a very serious interview

02:28:31.000 with the Proud Boys guy, you know, Proud Boys guy, Ingrid Guitario, on and we want to ask them

02:28:36.000 questions. We want to understand them. And it's more journalistic than the average conversational,

02:28:39.000 you know, podcast kind of thing. And so we have a list of people that we want for very serious shows,

02:28:43.000 people we want for very conversational shows. And we're trying to put together relevant

02:28:47.000 conversations about things that are happening. And it includes a lot of people.

02:28:50.000 And some of these people I'm like, I think I will get banned when we book that person, but hey, why not?

02:28:54.000 Whatever.

02:28:55.000 Who are those people?

02:28:56.000 Uh, I can't pull anybody off the top of my head, but certainly Enrique Tarrio was one of them.

02:29:00.000 Yeah, that didn't happen, that's fine.

02:29:02.000 No, right, or Alex Jones, even.

02:29:03.000 Alex Jones, yeah.

02:29:04.000 We're gonna get all the attempts, and even someone like Nick Fuentes.

02:29:07.000 But I'm like, if a journalist needs, if somebody, if we're gonna get to the root of what's going on in this country, and who these people are who have followings and have ideas, we need to understand them.

02:29:17.000 We need to talk to them.

02:29:18.000 That's it.

02:29:19.000 Let's see.

02:29:20.000 Someone mentioned Steve Bannon.

02:29:21.000 Steve Bannon would be welcome as well.

02:29:23.000 It'd be very interesting.

02:29:23.000 You know what the challenge is?

02:29:25.000 I want to get leftists.

02:29:27.000 It's impossible to book them.

02:29:29.000 Yeah.

02:29:30.000 Look at this.

02:29:30.000 We got one guy being like, Tim, book this guy now.

02:29:32.000 Book him.

02:29:33.000 And they're like, you have to book him.

02:29:34.000 And it's like, OK.

02:29:34.000 OK.

02:29:35.000 Maybe.

02:29:36.000 Maybe not.

02:29:37.000 Well, you know, we're working through our list of what we think would make for, you know, good shows and it's not super easy.

02:29:41.000 It's a job.

02:29:43.000 And, uh, the leftists we want to book.

02:29:46.000 They usually ignore or say no, or they've, they'll lie publicly and be like, I'll come on your show.

02:29:51.000 I'm not scared.

02:29:52.000 I'm not really going to come.

02:29:53.000 And then they don't show up.

02:29:54.000 And then it's on me to be like, I don't know why they didn't come.

02:29:56.000 Then they'll make up an excuse.

02:29:58.000 Well, it's because of COVID.

02:30:00.000 I can't actually go in there.

02:30:01.000 And it's like, okay, whatever, man.

02:30:04.000 1991shadowheart says, Tim, have JBP and Vaush on for a lively debate when the good doctor has recovered.

02:30:09.000 Also, Dankula on the stream when?

02:30:11.000 Yes.

02:30:12.000 Dankula, of course.

02:30:13.000 Anytime.

02:30:13.000 Yeah, anytime.

02:30:14.000 But the challenge is Dankula and Sargon are both in the UK.

02:30:17.000 Rude.

02:30:18.000 So it's like international travel, COVID, it's not super easy.

02:30:21.000 Anyway, we've actually gone a little bit, uh, we've gone way over today.

02:30:24.000 Just a little, yeah.

02:30:25.000 So, uh, how about, do you want to mention anything?

02:30:27.000 Your socials, any programs, anything you're doing, Chris?

02:30:29.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I've just started to really be active on Twitter the last six months, and it's been actually a lot of fun, and, um, it's a tremendous boost, and I think it's just been fascinating to watch, and obviously you know this, probably a lot of your listeners know, but Things that happen on Twitter influence the real world in powerful ways, and it's just been great to take ideas, take research, take investigative reports that I've been doing, and actually putting it out there.

02:30:53.000 So I'd love to engage with all of your listeners, your fans.

02:30:56.000 What's your account?

02:30:57.000 It's realchrisrufo, just at realchrisrufo.

02:31:00.000 R-U-F-O? 0.98

02:31:01.000 R-U-F-O, yeah. 0.99

02:31:03.000 Are you a UFO?

02:31:04.000 Yeah, it's really good and powerful.

02:31:10.000 And I think like, we can do tremendous good on a lot of these issues and people in very powerful places.

02:31:16.000 They listen, they watch it and, and just great.

02:31:20.000 Didn't you just do a documentary?

02:31:22.000 I did, yeah, on a weird kind of, a scary kind of parallel track.

02:31:27.000 I had produced, I directed a documentary.

02:31:29.000 Actually, you know what?

02:31:30.000 We can send your folks this.

02:31:33.000 I directed a documentary for PBS and it broadcast nationally on PBS on Tuesday.

02:31:38.000 Meanwhile, the Critical Race Theory stuff that I've been doing was a very hairy process.

02:31:42.000 I was really convinced at some point that PBS was going to cancel me.

02:31:45.000 Wow.

02:31:45.000 Because we can't have anti-critical race theory guy broadcasting on, you know, kind of Halo, PBS.

02:31:51.000 So I was like, oh man, it's a matter of time before I get the call.

02:31:54.000 And then sometimes, and then, but I kind of kept them going on parallel tracks.

02:31:57.000 We had the broadcast, but for anyone who's watching or who's a fan,

02:32:01.000 you can rent the film on Amazon, but even better, you can just go to americalostfilm.com

02:32:07.000 slash premiere and you can watch it for free.

02:32:10.000 And for me, it's, you know, it's not a money thing.

02:32:12.000 It's really just getting a lot of people to see it.

02:32:14.000 And I look at, I spent, you know, five years actually documenting life in three of America's poorest cities.

02:32:21.000 Right on.

02:32:21.000 So that's the film.

02:32:23.000 Well, if you haven't already, smash the like button.

02:32:25.000 It's Friday.

02:32:27.000 We're back on Monday.

02:32:28.000 Should we announce who our Monday guest is?

02:32:29.000 Sure.

02:32:30.000 Is that cool?

02:32:30.000 He's coming.

02:32:31.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:32:32.000 Jack Posobiec, right?

02:32:33.000 It's Jack?

02:32:34.000 Yeah.

02:32:34.000 Okay, cool.

02:32:34.000 Yeah, Jack's coming.

02:32:35.000 He's like, well, we'll make sure.

02:32:36.000 I'm like, I'm going to say his name.

02:32:37.000 Wait a minute.

02:32:38.000 It is, right?

02:32:38.000 I'm pretty sure it is.

02:32:39.000 Yeah, Jack.

02:32:39.000 Jack from One American News.

02:32:41.000 He's got like a million followers.

02:32:42.000 I'm excited.

02:32:43.000 You know, big personality.

02:32:44.000 He's going to come hang out.

02:32:45.000 And then we have election day the next day.

02:32:46.000 So we'll It's gonna get crazy.

02:32:48.000 We're gonna have an open party.

02:32:49.000 It's gonna- I don't know who's gonna come on the stream.

02:32:51.000 I guess you got a quantum physicist is gonna come?

02:32:52.000 Yes, he will tell you he's not a quantum physicist, but he studied- he has a bachelor's in science.

02:32:56.000 He's a genius.

02:32:57.000 All right, all right.

02:32:58.000 So we're gonna have some- some crazy conversations throughout the night.

02:33:01.000 We're gonna- we're gonna open up this- like this- I'm gonna run the stream all night.

02:33:04.000 We're just gonna like walk away, and there'll be people hanging out here, having pizza and beer, and we're gonna have the election on right- there's a TV over there.

02:33:10.000 And then throughout the house, we're gonna have a bunch of people playing video games, hanging, skating, all that good stuff.

02:33:14.000 So stick around.

02:33:15.000 We'll be back Monday with a great show.

02:33:16.000 Of course, you can follow Ian.

02:33:17.000 Yes, at Ian Crossland.

02:33:18.000 You can follow me on most social platforms, including Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, and more.

02:33:24.000 And you can, of course, follow at Sour Patch Lids.

02:33:26.000 I'm over here.

02:33:26.000 Follow me.

02:33:27.000 Sour Patch Lids.

02:33:27.000 L-Y-D-S.

02:33:29.000 And you can find me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at Timcast.

02:33:32.000 And you can also follow me on YouTube with my other channels, youtube.com slash Timcast and youtube.com slash Timcast News.

02:33:39.000 And I will also add if you have been following me on Instagram, I have been posting a cryptic countdown.

02:33:43.000 Super cryptic.

02:33:45.000 Because I'm actually releasing a music video.

02:33:48.000 Yeah.

02:33:49.000 Full production, full animation.

02:33:53.000 And it is coming out November 2nd, the day before the election, because it is about, very much so, it is about violent revolution and the cycle of violence.

02:34:02.000 Wonderful.

02:34:03.000 It's a real uplifter, huh?

02:34:05.000 Yeah, I'm excited.

02:34:10.000 I wrote the story, I wrote the song, and then Nishra produced the music and did everything but the music on top.

02:34:20.000 And then we got some animators to animate the story.

02:34:23.000 And when I wrote it, I'm like, this is a good story.

02:34:27.000 Now I've seen it 50 billion times, and I'm just like, ugh.

02:34:31.000 So, uh, I'm assuming it's good.

02:34:33.000 It is good.

02:34:33.000 It's quite good.

02:34:34.000 From what I've seen, it's good.

02:34:35.000 Yeah.

02:34:36.000 It's, it's, it's, it's, for me, it's all about the video and the song was written to it.

02:34:39.000 And, uh, maybe, maybe we'll show you after the show.

02:34:41.000 Yeah, cool.

02:34:41.000 Uh, but anyway, we'll be back Monday with, with, I believe Jack, hopefully, hopefully it doesn't cancel.

02:34:46.000 Come on, Jack, don't, you gotta come.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 31, 2020

Timcast IRL - Kyle Rittenhouse EXTRADITED To Kenosha, DEBUNKING Critical Race Theory With Chris Rufo

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