Ruffo is the man responsible for getting Donald Trump to ban Critical Race Theory trainings. He's also the person responsible for starting the movement to ban the trainings, and he's the one who started the movement that got Trump on board with it.
00:00:32.000we got big breaking news So we're just going to jump right into the show tonight and talk about it.
00:00:58.000We have a really great guest, Christopher Ruffo, who is responsible solely for getting Donald Trump to ban these critical race theory trainings.
00:01:25.000Welcome to living in the middle of nowhere, which is, we're actually going to talk about being in the middle of nowhere, so hopefully the show doesn't cut out too bad, because this is significant to what we're going to be talking about.
00:01:51.000Teenage Kenosha riot gunman Kyle Rittenhouse will be extradited to Wisconsin to face murder charges for shooting dead two left-wing protesters.
00:01:58.000And, of course, he shot a third person.
00:02:16.000This is usually when things get heated.
00:02:18.000It's the weekends when riots kick off.
00:02:20.000Now we're hearing that they're going to be extraditing Kyle Rittenhouse, which is, I guess, in a sense, in terms of simmering everything down, good news, I'm sure, for those.
00:02:29.000I don't know if it's good news or bad news for Kyle himself.
00:02:32.000I don't know what the lawyers are saying.
00:02:33.000I guess they're worried about his safety, so they want him to go, you know, face trial, whatever.
00:02:37.000But this might maybe be some good things for the rioters.
00:02:59.000So, uh, for those that aren't familiar, uh, Christopher Ruffo, you, you, I don't want to say what you exactly specialize in, but you definitely do cover critical race theory, which is like this wokeness stuff.
00:03:09.000So I think you might have a lot of insights into the motivations of at least some of the rioters and some of the things they've been protesting and saying, as well as the actions taken by the president.
00:03:18.000I don't know if you want to just mention a bit about what you do and.
00:03:21.000And, you know, really to your point about the unrest, I was in D.C.
00:03:24.000all day today, I was meeting at the White House, and I went out to Georgetown last night, and throughout the city businesses are now boarding up all their windows, they're putting up fencing, they're putting up barriers, they're putting up fortifications.
00:03:37.000The kind of feeling just walking through the city is that things are going to pop off with almost a hundred percent degree of certainty.
00:03:45.000And my thought is that, you know, a lot of these folks are looking for any kind of rationale for going out in the streets.
00:03:53.000So I think that it's very likely to get ugly, to get feisty on election night.
00:04:12.000We're gonna have a bunch of people here and, you know, we're in the middle of nowhere, elevated, surrounded by a bunch of other armed residents.
00:04:18.000It's a really interesting property and we're coming back and I'm looking at the moon and it is Ominous.
00:04:38.000Dude, the tides, the moon I heard used to be closer to the earth and would have this real oval shape going around the earth and it would pull the tides like hundreds of feet in the air.
00:04:47.000That was a long time ago, but there's a really simple reason why more crime is committed during a full moon.
00:04:54.000I don't know if you've ever gone to the middle of nowhere.
00:04:56.000You know what's really, really cool is when, because I grew up in Chicago, we would go to the lake during a new moon and it was the scariest thing.
00:05:03.000You look out into the lake and it was a void.
00:05:12.000So, we got a full moon and it's gonna be a Saturday night full moon, just before the election, while these riots are going off, on Halloween!
00:05:27.000So, uh, so I guess, look, um, we, I wanted to open it with this big update on, on what's going on with Cott Rittenhouse.
00:05:34.000It doesn't, it's not definitive of anything particularly, but it does have a lot to do with the unrest we're seeing, what's going to happen.
00:05:40.000We've got the election coming up and there's a, there's a lot of stuff to talk about in this.
00:05:44.000I don't know if they're still doing it, but I don't know if you heard this, you know, you mentioned they're boarding things up.
00:05:47.000Did you hear that Walmart was taking the guns off the shelves and hiding the ammo?
00:05:52.000Yeah, I didn't hear that, but it makes a lot of sense.
00:05:55.000I mean, people are in kind of siege mentality.
00:05:58.000I even heard a friend said there's a shortage of toilet paper again.
00:06:39.000In Paris, they're doing new draconian lockdowns, where you have to have your papers if you want to go outside, proving you have a right to go outside.
00:07:13.000Are you familiar with simulation theory?
00:07:14.000like the singularity like Ray Kurzweil or just like like like the Matrix yeah
00:07:18.000yeah like our universe is a simulation of some yeah yeah we were just we're
00:07:21.000just hanging out and I was like what if what if we're in this simulation and
00:07:25.000everything we're doing feels like the most important thing ever and there's
00:07:29.000like Donald Trump is president and there's a crime wave and riots and
00:07:32.000things are exploding and then they're like arming the nukes and dictators are
00:07:34.000getting ready and the guys running the simulation are actually just tracking
00:07:37.000like the Peruvian dung beetles mating cycle And so, like, we're in this simulation, but they're just, like, sitting at a computer being like, Hey, did you see that in the simulation?
00:08:17.000Yeah, now we got DC boarding up, National Guard deployed in Philadelphia, riots in New York, and now something just happened in... where did it happen?
00:08:27.000We just had another shooting of some guy.
00:09:01.000Where the Seattle Office of Civil Rights, ironically enough, was hosting racially segregated diversity trainings.
00:09:07.000And the training for white employees was called Interrupting Whiteness and Internalized Racial Superiority.
00:09:14.000So they would have white employees come in, they would be kind of forced to stand to say, I'm Karen, I'm a she, her, I'm white, and then essentially admit and then deconstruct their complicity in white supremacy.
00:09:31.000I mean, it had all the documentation, and the charts, and the graphs, and objectivity is racist, and et cetera, et cetera.
00:09:38.000And I kind of got my hands on these documents through a public records request, and I said, this is crazy, but it's outside of my normal field of expertise, which for the last two years has been poverty, homelessness, addiction, and urban disorder.
00:09:59.000So then I write an article about it in City Journal, and I think it went to the New York Post.
00:10:03.000And then I started just getting deluged with leakers and whistleblowers from everywhere in the government.
00:10:10.000All of a sudden my inbox is just like, I'm in the Treasury Department, I'm in the FBI, I'm in the IRS, I'm in the EPA, I'm in the Justice Department, and they're doing the same stuff.
00:10:25.000And that's the moment I said, I've stumbled on something big and something that is happening to a lot of people.
00:10:32.000And people are saying, hey, look, we can't oppose this.
00:10:35.000I can't get up and say, I think this is wrong.
00:10:44.000I'll get, you know, kind of turned into a pariah at the office.
00:10:48.000But I really am deeply upset about this and it's wrong and it's a waste of money.
00:10:53.000So then I just went did story after story after story and just you know worked up the media chain Dropped it on Twitter first link to an article and City Journal or the New York Post or another publication And then from there, you know booked on on Laura Ingram booked on Tucker Wow and and after I did that process four or five times I'd created enough of an evidence base where it's persuasive that this is happening in many places.
00:11:19.000And then Tucker's producer called me and he said, Hey, look, I want you to do the monologue with Tucker Carlson tonight and just lay it out.
00:12:04.000And I started feeling those butterflies a little bit.
00:12:07.000And then Tucker sets it up beautifully.
00:12:09.000And then, honestly, I just kind of blacked out.
00:12:12.000I just got into the flow of it and just spitfire, just rattled it out, outlined the research, quoted the best that I could, kind of paraphrasing what happened.
00:12:23.000And then at the very end, something I'd rehearsed on the way, riding in my truck on the way up to Seattle, I said, And then I call on the President of the United States to immediately issue an executive order abolishing critical race theory in the federal government.
00:12:57.000And then the next morning, around 7 a.m., I'm up with my kids, you know, drinking coffee, and I get a call on my cell phone from a 202 number in D.C., right?
00:13:11.000And then I get a call, and you know, I've said this before, so it's not really private information, and he says, you know, Christopher, this is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff.
00:13:19.000I'm calling on behalf of the president.
00:13:21.000You know, he saw your segment on Tucker Carlson.
00:13:23.000He's tasked me to take immediate action.
00:13:30.000And then from there I thought, I don't know the bureaucratic process.
00:13:34.000I think it's going to go through a process and a study committee and the typical DC process where they want to do something and then maybe six months later it happens.
00:13:44.000Within 72 hours, the OMB director Russ Vought, who I saw today and is an amazing person, issued a letter basically saying, none of this ever again.
00:13:54.000And then three weeks after that, the full executive order signed by the president.
00:13:58.000Did this ban—so what did it ban specifically?
00:14:34.000And these languages, they burn, right?
00:14:36.000Like they're going to toss up, you know, some, some new phrase, it's, it's, it's persuasive for a quick minute and then everyone hates it and then they just recycle it with something new.
00:14:47.000So what they said is we're going to categorize divisive concepts.
00:14:50.000And the divisive concepts are really simple.
00:14:52.000You can't stereotype, scapegoat, or demean people on the basis of their sex or their race.
00:15:03.000It's already illegal, but they basically codified it within the executive agencies.
00:15:09.000They gave a directive saying anything that falls under these divisive concepts, these categories of stereotyping, scapegoating, and demeaning.
00:15:16.000And then they did something really brilliant.
00:15:17.000They said, not only in the federal agencies and the military, but if you want to do business with the federal government, if you're a large corporation, most of them are large corporations, you can no longer do this anywhere in your business.
00:15:29.000Because we don't want to work with people who stereotype, scapegoat, and demean.
00:15:34.000So basically what they're getting rid of, it's like sending white people on retreats, I guess, was one of the things on your website.
00:15:42.000They had all the white men go and deconstruct their stuff or identity or whatever.
00:16:10.000And they had basically from the directives from the very top, they had said, you know, we need to address our white privilege within the national laboratories.
00:16:20.000And we've hired a diversity training firm.
00:16:23.000Literally called this is the firm that contracted with the federal agency white men as full diversity partners and they specialize in and what they did for the for the for the trainers here they took white male executives they put him on a three day retreat at a kind of luxury resort in New Mexico And they set up this kind of grueling process where they were saying, you have to deconstruct your white male identity.
00:16:46.000They put up on the board and had people kind of, they kind of fished for people to make associations and said, well, white male culture is associated with mass killings, the KKK, MAGA hats, white supremacy.
00:17:01.000These are all of the kind of evils that are lurking within your identity to the top nuclear weapons engineers in the world.
00:17:10.000And then we're going to spend the next three days deconstructing that identity and forcing you to confront your white privilege, your male privilege, your heterosexual privilege.
00:17:20.000And then at the end of it, they had them write letters to these kind of imaginary women and people of color.
00:17:25.000I don't remember where I was reading this.
00:17:28.000Maybe you guys might remember where they were talking about the Chinese manipulation technique for POWs.
00:18:11.000And the amazing thing is that they do it with social pressure.
00:18:15.000That's really the kind of most powerful part of this, is that if you don't comply, you are somehow bad, or you endorse some bad thing.
00:18:24.000So people's fear, people, a lot of these folks in the government agencies are middle-aged people with families, waiting for a pension, they don't want to rock the boat, so they just do it, and as soon as, it's like a sales technique, hey man, you know, can I stop you for a second?
00:19:49.000So you just like hold your hands together and act like you don't realize what they're trying to do.
00:19:53.000But it's very hard to not shake the hand.
00:19:56.000And so if you're in a room with all of your peers and high status people and you're in a government agency and everyone says you have to get up and identify yourself as a white male and say that you're here to deconstruct your identity, it's very hard to just say, I'm going to sit down and I'm not going to do it.
00:20:13.000And then the Critical Race series, to their credit, they've constructed the argument in a really ingenious way.
00:20:19.000It's almost constructed like an intellectual mousetrap.
00:20:22.000Where if you dissent, if you disagree, embedded in their argument, if you disagree, that's an admission of guilt.
00:20:29.000So, oh, well, you don't agree with this?
00:20:36.000That's your internalized racial dominance or oppression.
00:20:40.000So, they've created a category that is psychological in nature, that is new, that is distinct from old forms of manipulation and even unconscious bias, right?
00:20:58.000But, you know, lost in that is we've moved from a society, to our credit, that has moved away from conscious bias, discrimination, and racism.
00:21:07.000That's a part of the American history.
00:21:09.000To now we're worried about deep in the recesses of your subconscious, is there some hidden preference that we can measure and try to change?
00:21:17.000We're not doing, kind of, mind con— like, it's not even, like, behavior control.
00:21:22.000It's a form of, kind of, social control.
00:21:25.000It's a form of, kind of, deep, kind of, psychological conditioning, and it's no good.
00:21:30.000There's a bunch of different things within it, but I'll say there's a couple things.
00:21:34.000One, when you talk about the nuclear arsenal, it seems like a virus, like a computer virus, an idea virus, was infected in some people and is now demoralizing and crippling our ability to function as a nation.
00:21:46.000Because you've got people who... How are we supposed to have a national defense if America is inherently racist and white people this, that, and that?
00:21:56.000Well, I don't want to go as far as to say that this was intentionally done, but the general idea I'm bringing up is, if this is reaching so many different facets of our country, you have the partisan divide between, look, a lot of people have said the culture war is libertarian versus authoritarian, nationalist versus globalist, it could be woke versus anti-woke, I don't know, but I'll tell you this, if you have people Who believe in an ideology with no real structure.
00:22:26.000It's just a chaotic, amorphous, destructive force.
00:22:30.000And it's growing because people are scared to speak up against it.
00:22:33.000Then it is spreading into our industries and eventually will just erode it like some kind of mold tearing away at the foundation.
00:22:41.000I totally know what you mean, and it's interesting to see it in corporations, right?
00:22:45.000I mean, you know, you're kind of classical Marxists.
00:22:49.000If you told them, hey, your ideology that has been adapted over the generations and kind of transposed onto kind of modern conceptions of race will now be in the boardrooms of the major kind of technological and industrial corporations of the world, they'd look at you like you were completely insane.
00:23:07.000But the thing is that I've talked to executives off the record, anonymously rather, who say, hey, what's going on?
00:23:14.000Why is big tech companies, why are they just all in on this stuff?
00:23:19.000And they said, because you can't say no.
00:23:22.00098% of people in my workforce don't care.
00:23:32.000But if you have even three or four people that are kind of committed ideologues that want to bring in and say, we need a diversity program.
00:23:52.000Red Bull did, but Red Bull is a kind of different company.
00:23:55.000And Red Bull can operate in a different ownership structure, a different political culture.
00:24:00.000And the fact is, a lot of our kind of most High growth companies in the United States are now physically rooted in prestige, very progressive cities.
00:24:12.000They're trying to buy... I mean, you know, in Seattle now, the new hockey arena sponsored by Bezos is now the climate change arena.
00:24:21.000I mean, like, you know, so it's almost kind of like trying to buy some kind of peace.
00:24:28.000And you know what's not going to work?
00:24:29.000You know what I think is happening with this critical race theory stuff?
00:24:33.000At least as it pertains to this kind of general wokeness that, you know, people like the progressives use.
00:24:39.000It's not really, in my opinion, there's not really any real core ideology behind it.
00:24:44.000There's just like kind of bits and pieces and fragments that are duct-taped together to give them something they can claim is an ideology.
00:24:53.000And the reason I say this is you can see them contradict themselves, change definitions, And every other day, it's like, oh, well, what I said the other day, you don't understand because you're racist or you're wrong.
00:25:04.000They change everything over and over again.
00:25:06.000And what I see what they're actually doing is you have individuals who are simply asserting their power and demanding it, and they won't back down.
00:25:14.000So it's almost like, you know how a pecking order works with chickens?
00:25:18.000You put all the chickens, all the hens in the space, and then they like figure out which one's in charge.
00:25:22.000They did an experiment where they decided to take what they called super chickens.
00:25:25.000These were the hens that like were the dominant of the pack.
00:25:28.000They took all the super chickens from different packs, put them together, guess what happened?
00:25:34.000The reason why I'm telling you this, when I see people who are like posting things on Facebook and they're saying all this woke stuff and they're white, what I do is to try to communicate with them is a basic general communication technique where I will find something we agree on, Racism is bad.
00:25:54.000And then I will take their ideology and use it and demand that they submit to their own ideas.
00:26:13.000A white person said in a post, if you are friends with a black person, but you don't know their pain, then you're not really friends with that black person.
00:26:22.000And a mixed race black person responded with, excuse me?
00:26:26.000I don't need a white person telling me about my life and my experiences.
00:26:30.000I certainly don't need them fighting on my behalf.
00:26:32.000I've dealt with enough racism from both sides.
00:26:34.000And then this person started arguing with them.
00:26:38.000Clearly showing they don't really believe in an ideology.
00:26:42.000So I've engaged in conversations like this where I'll say, you know, things like, this is really great, thank you for fighting against racism, we all agree it's bad, it's so important.
00:26:49.000Now, as I am the underprivileged in this conversation, I would appreciate, what would really be helpful in mending these things is if you would agree to do this, no, F you, you're racist, I'm in charge.
00:27:03.000I would disagree with you on two points.
00:27:05.000One is, I think it is a very rigorously refined and structured ideology that is coherent and has been well articulated for a long time, and we can go over the kind of lineage of it.
00:27:18.000But just to mention, I'm referring to the general street walking.
00:27:21.000I mean the generous three people on anything man you'd be like right, you know, so many people are there you could
00:27:26.000ask Yeah, what I mean specifically is not the Robin D'angelo's
00:27:31.000Putting these things out the regular people who are these activists who think they're they're pushing this ideology
00:27:35.000are actually just trying to demand You bow to them dude. I have this experience where I was
00:27:40.000trying to convince 2016 I was trying to tell my friends in LA I tell him about
00:27:43.000Hillary Clinton's emails and I was like, dude Look at the he really loved Hillary
00:27:47.000She's it's her time me and it's her time and I'm like dude Look at what she had with Sidney Blumenthal.
00:27:51.000I was like laying it out for him And he was just building and getting angrier and angrier and then all sudden he started screaming at me It's just your white privilege Ian.
00:27:58.000You've got white privilege and he'd never we've been friends for like a decade He'd never mentioned anything like that was somewhere deep inside of it He was screaming and I didn't know what to say.
00:28:05.000I was like, I'm not racist No, no, no.
00:28:56.000And because they argue, and much like Marx argued, is that, you know, we have created these systems like democracy, like the Constitution, like private property, like liberalism, like civil rights even.
00:29:07.000But those are simply camouflage for naked power and domination.
00:29:13.000And we have to dismiss those kind of false structures of freedom and equality and boil the world down to simple power relations.
00:29:20.000So whatever you do, expressing your power, calling you a white privileged guy, Or shutting your friend down even if he's mixed race on Facebook or whatever it is, is justified ideologically because they've rejected objective truth.
00:29:37.000They've rejected kind of what they would call traditional theory.
00:30:00.000If you reject that you're racist, it proves you're racist.
00:30:03.000But it really does feel like none of what they're saying actually makes sense.
00:30:08.000Like when they call Ben Shapiro an orthodox Jew and Nazi, and when they call Candace Owens a black woman, a white supremacist, any regular person sitting down, I'm just gonna imagine there's like some guy, He's sitting in a chair having a coffee with his eyes half closed, just not really caring about the world, and he's got his phone and he's looking.
00:30:24.000And then he sees across the street Candace Owens, a black woman, and some white guy goes, you're a white supremacist!
00:30:48.000But it doesn't matter, psychologically it doesn't matter, because even if it's totally absurd to the general public, you live in a world where you have a limited number of social connections, maybe 200 social connections on average a person.
00:31:02.000So if the people that are actually meaningful to you, or even weirder, the people who are in your Twitter mentions, if you're not kind of steeled to it, at this point you're steeled to it, you don't care what people say, But most people, for them, if you get mobbed on Twitter, the first time it happened to me, it was terrifying.
00:31:30.000It's very effective, even if it's totally logically absurd.
00:31:34.000Are you familiar with the meme where there's like two women and they see something and they go like, like this really nasty face and the guy behind him starts going like, that's how I feel about like Twitter and stuff.
00:31:45.000Explain who's the woman, who's the guy?
00:31:47.000Regular people are the women who like see all the tweets and go like, oh, what's happening?
00:31:52.000And I'm the guy who's like, everyone's tweeting at me and I'm like, yeah, totally.
00:34:26.000And I think you're right, but I think there's another dynamic that's really important to establish.
00:34:30.000It's that in a kind of culture war, let's say, that's the metaphor obviously, it's not a real war, but you need to have kind of arms parity.
00:34:41.000So you need to have kind of an equivalent kind of destructive power on both sides so that there's some kind of negotiated truce to recreate a kind of middle.
00:34:51.000Because right now You're wasting your time.
00:34:55.000Anyone, if you're arguing with your friend on Facebook about politics and they're at that point, there's actually not a point of dialogue that's possible.
00:35:05.000You have to understand when dialogue is possible, when it's not.
00:35:08.000But when you have two political movements or political cultures that can come to some kind of truce or some kind of parity or some kind of sense of, well, I'm not going to go on the attack right now because I'll get it just as bad.
00:35:22.000Then you create the possibility of a kind of a battlefield turns into some common ground.
00:35:28.000And frankly, the progressives are still much stronger on this stuff.
00:35:34.000And the conservatives find themselves, oh, you know, where are my tax cuts?
00:35:38.000I think you're right about there not being dialogue, but there's certainly ways to de-radicalize people who are this entrenched.
00:35:45.000Unfortunately, it just requires a level of Manipulation and deception, most people don't have the skill to actually perform or wouldn't want to due to, I don't know, perhaps scruples or something.
00:36:10.000I think he's a blues musician and he's a middle-aged black man.
00:36:14.000He said one day, I don't want to ruin his story, but he saw a story about the Klan and he thought, how can these guys hate me if they've never met me?
00:36:24.000And so he went to a Klan rally and talked to these guys and actually ended up hanging out.
00:36:31.000One of his best stories, because I did a speaking event, he was the headliner.
00:36:36.000He said there was one guy who was in the Klan and, you know, Daryl's a musician.
00:37:16.000There was one guy he said that he would hang out with him and the guy was still very much in the Klan until one day he was at a rally and they were saying things and he went, that doesn't describe Daryl.
00:37:25.000And then he was just like, this doesn't make sense.
00:38:13.000We have the after party, and protesters showed up.
00:38:17.000Local police had to seal off the street and escort us in.
00:38:22.000We go inside, and Daryl's there, and I meet him, I'm like, you know, or I met him at the event, but I was like, good to see you, glad you came.
00:38:28.000And, you know, he asked me about the protesters.
00:38:31.000He goes out to talk to the protesters as a black man, and do you know what they called him?
00:38:37.000Oh, I don't, I really, I want to know, but I don't want to know.
00:38:47.000And he made a post on Facebook about it, explaining how he's been able to meet with and talk with Klan members and white supremacists and de-radicalize over 200 just by trying to understand them and talk to them.
00:38:59.000And that when he approached these people, they just started yelling and calling him Nazi and white supremacist.
00:39:44.000I still think his method is good in that if you try and interact with them on the street, they're going to come at you with the mob mentality.
00:39:51.000But if you get them one-on-one, it's a little easier to do Daryl's method, his methodology.
00:41:12.000They say the technique was developed to make it so that if you can't use amplification, by having everyone repeat the words, everyone can hear.
00:41:21.000It's actually a programming technique.
00:41:22.000So we talked about this the other day with Jack Murphy.
00:42:05.000It's how you teach kindergartners the alphabet and the states and any kind of rote memorization that structures grammar in their brains, structures reading, literacy.
00:42:14.000I mean, it's the same principle applied to, unfortunately, grown adults.
00:43:06.000I wasn't into either major party candidate.
00:43:10.000But I will say now, and kind of in retrospect, maybe made the wrong decision, because frankly, not only would Hillary Clinton not have done this at all, but none of the other people in the Republican primary in 2016 would have done it either.
00:44:10.000And I was saying, oof, this guy, I don't know, no political experience, you know, fighting.
00:44:14.000And I mean, you know, You have a guy who you think would be waging war in the Middle East, if you'd listen, and he actually made peace in the Middle East.
00:45:05.000But during the Brexit process, Brexit was down, and I may not get this exactly right, this is coming second hand, but Brexit was down four points in the polling and won by four points.
00:45:51.000And they're saying Trump is going to win now.
00:45:54.000Helmut Norpoth is predicting Trump a 91% chance of winning with 362 electoral votes based on his primary tracking model, which has been correct 25 out of 27 times, more importantly.
00:46:06.000If the pollsters corrected their mistakes from 2016, then we should have seen improvement in the midterms.
00:46:25.000I was reading it today and I said, whoa, that should have been a huge thing.
00:46:29.000And Trafalgar Group brings up something really interesting.
00:46:32.000The conditions that made it so people were scared to admit they'd vote for Trump are a hundred times worse today than they were in 2015 or 16.
00:46:40.000In 2016, the worst thing is that if you were voting for Trump, people would scowl at you.
00:46:46.000Today, they'll come to your house, they'll throw a brick at you, they'll mob you at a restaurant.
00:46:51.000Do you see what happened in New York with the Jews for Trump rally?
00:46:55.000This wasn't Antifa who did this, okay?
00:46:58.000Everybody says, oh, these Antifa and everything, and yes, there's problems with Antifa.
00:47:02.000Regular progressive New Yorkers started throwing rocks and eggs at cars, and one person, I think it was a woman, went up to one of the vehicles and pepper-sprayed children.
00:47:13.000The whole, the level of depravity from these people.
00:47:16.000So I tell you, man, we're seeing a lot of people actually come out and wave their flags and march around and say, Trump, Trump.
00:47:22.000I'll tell you this, I've had, I said, I just got some information from people I know back home in Chicago.
00:47:30.000Shockingly alerting me to the fact that someone we know has just voted straight Republican, Donald Trump and down to Republican for the first time in their lives, and they couldn't believe it.
00:49:12.000She's posting Black Lives Matter, Orange Matter, you know, and then finally when Trump comes around, she's tweeting like, I can't believe this, what is wrong with this country.
00:49:38.000The leftists desperately need to make sure that no one reads news outside of their echo chamber.
00:49:47.000And that's why you get the likes of Brian Stelter when he went on, he did this episode a year or so ago where he's like, don't go and watch Fox News.
00:50:49.000You also need to present an alternative model.
00:50:51.000And the reason I ask this, you come from a faith background, is because the most successful stuff that I've seen is a different kind of epistemological model, a different kind of theoretical model, a different personal model.
00:51:05.000It's a reconciliation model, and that comes from a religious background.
00:51:09.000And I think the distinction we were talking about earlier between the kind of Martin Luther King vision and the critical race theory Black Lives Matter vision is a deep and profound division.
00:51:20.000Because if you look at MLK, his work is amazing.
00:52:11.000Lincoln saw himself as doing the kind of... Jefferson created the inspiration but was tragically flawed, couldn't do it in his lifetime or even in his personal life.
00:52:20.000Lincoln saw himself as fulfilling that vision and then King saw himself as that kind of third step.
00:52:26.000The critical race theorists, it's based in kind of German Marxism and atheism, it's a completely different intellectual lineage that goes back hundreds of years.
00:52:38.000And I think in my life that, you know, I spent, I spent five years directing a documentary for PBS about the poorest American cities and the reconciliation model.
00:52:45.000And in many ways, the faith-based model is one that works much better.
00:52:49.000You know, what's really interesting is I had a similar conversation on one of our previous shows about the moral frameworks that we experience the world through.
00:52:57.000And I think whether people realize it or not, most of Americans experience the world through a Christian or Judeo-Christian moral framework, even if they're not religious.
00:53:06.000So, uh, the way I explain this, I was once, I'm chilling at my house, and I notice, I live in a dead-end street, it's like, on purpose.
00:53:13.000And then I see people walking down my block, knocking on every door, and I'm like, I wonder what they're selling or preaching.
00:53:20.000And then all of a sudden these two, like, you know, young teenage girls are knocking on my door.
00:53:25.000They were there to spread the good word, and they had Bibles and stuff.
00:53:28.000I don't know exactly which denomination they were.
00:53:30.000They asked me if I had a minute to talk to them about Jesus Christ and all that, and I told them, I really respect and appreciate what you're doing.
00:53:37.000I myself am not, you know, I'm not one for, you know, this theistic religion, but I will tell you a few words of praise I have for your religion.
00:53:45.000Notably, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:53:49.000Specifically, I think it's Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:53:51.000I will not destroy the city if there is but one virtuous person.
00:53:54.000That moral framework is the root of the Fifth Amendment.
00:53:59.000Innocent until proven guilty and a right to a speedy trial.
00:54:02.000From that idea we had a really, really long time ago, rooted in these values, we then created Blackstone's formulation.
00:54:09.000Are you familiar with Blackstone's formulation?
00:54:51.000I don't think agnostic is the right word.
00:54:53.000But I started to realize Morality for many people in this country, we understand these values.
00:55:01.000Like, if you ask the average person who's an atheist if they know what sin is, they will say, of course, in a religious context.
00:55:08.000But if you go to, say, you know, China and ask them, they're gonna be like, I don't know what you mean.
00:55:14.000Unless they've actually studied, you know, Western religion, they have a completely different religious structure, a different moral framework for how they view the world.
00:55:21.000Critical race theory, the woke, all that stuff, doesn't exist within the same moral framework.
00:55:25.000So like you said, it's a totally different line of thinking compared to the rest of us.
00:55:33.000That even though I'm not religious at all, It's really interesting to see, you know, the old liberal arguments back in the day about religion versus, you know, Christianity, saying that, you know, I'd hear Christians say, without religion, then why don't you just go and commit X crime or whatever?
00:55:50.000And then the liberals would say, like, you need religion to stop you from committing crimes?
00:55:54.000Not realizing the only reason they feel that way is because they were raised on moral values that were rooted in the Bible.
00:56:01.000So the way I always explain it is we want to keep the good and get rid of the bad.
00:56:04.000And so when you look back at the history, I remember reading about the Fifth Amendment and why we have a right to a speedy trial, why we have a right to remain silent, why we're innocent until proven guilty, the presumption of innocence.
00:56:15.000And then you start going down the rabbit hole.
00:56:17.000Then it's like, well, the earlier ideas of Blackstone's formulation, actually Benjamin Franklin said it's better than 100 guilty persons escape.
00:56:24.000And then I go back even further and then I read Blackstone's formulation was actually from the Bible.
00:56:29.000It was the story that God would not destroy the city if there was but one righteous person because you could not hurt that innocent.
00:56:36.000And it's interesting because then this is in line with deontological philosophy.
00:56:42.000An immoral act against one is an immoral act you can't commit versus utilitarianism, which I think now we start getting into the philosophical conversation of critical race theorists seem to be utilitarian.
00:57:07.000For most of us, you're familiar with the trolley problem, I'd imagine.
00:57:11.000For those that aren't familiar, the idea is You've got a train coming, and it splits into two tracks where there's five people and one person, and it's gonna kill five people unless you pull the lever.
00:57:21.000But if you do, you'll kill that one person.
00:58:03.000So, maximizing what they view as good, and then the scary thing is, who is actually in control of what is good and what is bad, you know?
00:58:10.000Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of times we get in trouble because people say, well, it's just racial sensitivity training, or, well, it's just that, you know, it's important to look at human life and society through the lens of race.
00:58:23.000These very naive and kind of very nice sounding, very simple formulations.
00:58:28.000I mean, that's true, but If you look at the actual beliefs, and the papers, and the books, and all the studies from the Critical Race Theorists, I mean, they're very clear in what they believe.
00:58:38.000And they basically say the system of individual rights, the system of private property, the system of equality under the law, the system of non-discrimination, all of those things are used to justify collective inequalities.
00:58:53.000And we need to basically get rid of those things, the Constitution that you're talking about, the justice system that you're talking about, all of those complex moral questions that we've been answering for thousands of years.
00:59:05.000And they basically say, we have the new answer.
00:59:08.000And the amazing thing is that it always comes back to a kind of very utilitarian, very economic formulation.
00:59:14.000It's always redistribution of wealth and property.
00:59:18.000They can't get out of that. And you read the papers, you're like, okay, think it
00:59:22.000through the lens of race. All right, great. You know, whiteness as property. All right.
00:59:25.000That's kind of strange. But then the end of it is like the only solution is to
00:59:29.000get rid of the Constitution and redistribute a kind of wealth along
00:59:33.000these lines. But so I think that the race theorist is quite interesting because at
00:59:38.000the end of the day, underneath the critical race theory is critical theory
01:01:47.000Right now, they have created this amazing system where you actually have two jigsaw pieces that don't fit together, smashed together, and then wrapped in duct tape to make it work because they simultaneously hold two ideas in their head.
01:01:59.000And it's amazing that they can actually be posting about how they want to judge people, everyone on the color of their skin, while agreeing with Dr. King they shouldn't do it.
01:02:08.000Because it is both socially unacceptable for you to reject either of these ideas.
01:02:13.000You can judge people on their genetics.
01:02:16.000Genetics are a code that read a certain amount of information.
01:02:21.000So if you want to acknowledge that information, it's defined as that.
01:02:33.000If you want to say, this DNA reads G... I don't know what the DNA... I'm not much into molecular science, but... If you want to list their gene code... But what do you mean by judge them?
01:02:43.000By judge it, you would be listing their gene code on a piece of paper.
01:03:34.000I mean, there's interesting points we made about the idea of it being a social construct.
01:03:38.000Because we talked about this the other day with this leftist guy.
01:03:41.000And ideas like, if you have, say, an albino black person, that person still probably, or may, identify as black.
01:03:50.000And many people still might look at them and say they're black.
01:03:53.000But then you can have actual people like Rachel Dolezal who are literally white but change their hair and then people just believe they're black.
01:03:58.000So there are, you know, weird social constructs and assumptions being made about race or whatever.
01:04:03.000But I think that actually, in my opinion, disproves critical race theory.
01:04:08.000The fact that a white person, and there's many of them, are currently pretending to be black shows that their ideas about oppression and oppressed aren't true because they're actively trying to be oppressed.
01:04:20.000No, you're right, but it's a bit more complicated than that.
01:04:23.000There's a more subtle distinction to be made.
01:04:27.000We are in a kind of social, this really bizarre, bifurcated social environment where if you are in corporate, if you're in academia, especially academia, if you're in a kind of high education, high status, high prestige occupation, being a person of color is a tremendous advantage.
01:04:43.000You talk to any hiring manager, this is just a kind of truism.
01:04:49.000But there's another distinction though.
01:04:51.000So, you know, kind of people in academia, you have all these kind of white women pretending to be Latina or black to advance their academic careers.
01:04:59.000These are like kind of like low-tier kind of garbage academics.
01:05:02.000But they say, this is my ticket to get that great job.
01:05:07.000A friend of mine is a college professor and he said, look at these job listings.
01:05:10.000And it's like, You have to acknowledge the land, you have to be anti-colonial, you have to be this and that, and it's like, you know, to be a professor of anything.
01:05:17.000So there's status and kind of advantage there.
01:05:21.000But if you look at people in the lowest economic bracket, the bottom 20%, the bottom quintile,
01:05:27.000it still is, unfortunately, there still is a racial dynamic, a class dynamic, especially now a class dynamic,
01:05:37.000So, and unfortunately, honestly, the thing that really irks me about critical race theory,
01:05:40.000the thing that to me is like the true moral crime of critical race theory.
01:05:45.000What it does, it enhances and solidifies the social status of woke elites of any race,
01:05:51.000but it's an ideology that is deeply destructive to actual poor people of all races.
01:05:56.000It does nothing to raise up people in the poor communities in white Youngstown, Ohio and black South Memphis and Latino Stockton.
01:06:04.000It's a bespoke elite ideology that is self-serving and actually destroys the very foundations of life for poor people in the United States.
01:06:13.000The two-parent family, the faith community, the habits of work and workforce participation.
01:06:21.000It wants to obliterate all those things under the illusion that it's oppressive.
01:06:25.000While at the same time, the elites who preach this stuff, they don't believe it.
01:06:28.000Because look, they're working very hard.
01:06:32.000They're doing all the things that they condemn in their rhetoric.
01:06:35.000And to me, it's not only hypocrisy, but it's deeply destructive to people, again, of all races, at the bottom.
01:06:42.000Do you know that Gen Z is the first generation in like a hundred years to actually tick the other direction in terms of conservative or liberal?
01:06:52.000I mean, you look at the kind of wreckage that started with the baby boomers and has kind of now echoing down, they say, I don't want to do that.
01:07:03.000So the Pew research shows that Gen Z is about as progressive as millennials, but slightly more conservative in some areas.
01:07:11.000So, when you'll see these stories, and it's funny, I think the way Pew framed it was, Gen Z is just as progressive as millennials or whatever.
01:07:19.000And then you look and it's like, they are, they are, they are.
01:07:43.000You want to know why Gen Z is slightly more conservative?
01:07:46.000In the late 90s and early 2000s, several researchers were talking about birth rates between ideologies and found that liberal couples were having 1.7 kids on average versus conservatives 2.01.
01:07:59.000Which meant that in 20 years, you would have a generation that was slightly more conservative than the last because liberals are less likely to have kids, and now more likely to, say, get an abortion.
01:08:10.000This resulted in the Gen Z being slightly more conservative simply because there are more of them.
01:08:15.000I wonder what the correlation, though, is on political ideology between parents and children.
01:08:21.000It's strong enough to make a difference, is what you're suggesting.
01:08:24.000I think it's progressive to be a Republican right now.
01:08:26.000I mean, it's progressive to vote for Trump anyway.
01:08:29.000The general idea is to look at it from a very simple point of view, that if conservatives have more kids, they'll have kids with more conservative values.
01:08:36.000Though the kids are pretty woke, compared to millennials, they're pretty comparable, so they're less conservative than their parents.
01:08:43.000There's more kids who have somewhat conservative values.
01:08:47.000You know, it's a generational anomaly.
01:08:49.000Now we can take a look at some of the more, I guess, the changes that have been occurring.
01:08:55.000I mean, when I was growing up, the Democratic Party, when talking about pro-life versus pro-choice, it was safe, legal, but rare.
01:09:02.000Now it's Michelle Wolf on Netflix going, you get an abortion and you get an abortion!
01:09:07.000The selfie videos, have you seen those?
01:09:09.000Oh yeah, there's like women, there's like a trend on social media a while back where, you know, immediately after having an abortion procedure, people would, you know, take selfie videos and celebrate it like it, you know, like they just won the Olympics or something.
01:09:21.000It's like, now it's really kind of, you know, even I kind of grew up in California, I was pro-choice by default, and then you kind of watch this stuff and you say, this is Yeah.
01:09:32.000Did you see Lena Dunham said she wished she had an abortion?
01:09:52.000She was straight up saying she wished at some point.
01:09:55.000So not to get too much into that, but the point I'm making is we recently had Joe Biden say that there should be no discrimination if an eight-year-old chooses to be transgender.
01:10:06.000There's an interesting thing there in the way he said, chooses, because I didn't realize that was a choice.
01:10:10.000And there's something interesting about what is going to be happening to future generations.
01:10:15.000And I'm not saying this to disparage anybody.
01:10:17.000I'm just saying, based on scientific fact, that there are going to be people who are having substantially more abortions.
01:10:23.000There are a wave of millennials who are getting vasectomies or sterilization, you know, tube ties or whatever.
01:10:29.000And there are millennials, like people that are There are two types, before marriage or before kids.
01:10:37.000I know someone who cauterized her fallopian tubes or whatever, and she's like in her late 20s, cauterized, saying, irreversible, destroy it.
01:10:47.000So what's going to happen based on that previous trend, like what happens to the next generation?
01:12:23.000The Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett adopted two children from Haiti.
01:12:31.000Children that were, one of them was severely disabled.
01:12:34.000I mean, if you're an orphanage in Haiti, which is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, you're in a bad place.
01:12:39.000And she adopted them, raised them, giving them tons of opportunity.
01:12:43.000Um, and the critical race theory kind of guru of the day, who's kind of a big Ibram said, you know, this is kind of the mark of a white colonizer oppressing black children as kind of this, you know, and it's like, I mean, you can say, and you can say, hey, look, there's a perfectly reasonable argument to be made.
01:13:04.000You know, kind of, I guess, he said something about taming the savage, like some totally brutal way out of there.
01:13:11.000And it's like an interracial marriage is again, kind of like a bomb thrown into their narrative because it's very complex.
01:13:19.000So I, out of all the dumb stories that are around there, I broke a story about the King County Washington Library holding racially segregated training programs.
01:13:27.000And someone leaked to me these amazing photos of signs on two doors, opposite doors.
01:13:32.000One said, uh, training for people of color, training for people who are white, you know?
01:13:39.000And then it's like interracial couples, like, you know, like, like my kids, my kids are mixed race, biracial, like, Dad, where do I go?
01:13:50.000My wife and I, are we going to go in separate rooms to be trained to kind of deconstruct ourselves and learn how to kind of, you know, despise each other for these hidden essences that are more important than even a marriage?
01:14:03.000I think that there's two things that critical race theorists drive them crazy.
01:14:08.000One is interracial marriage, and I think interracial marriage is a sign of progress, frankly.
01:14:52.000The hatred towards Asian Americans is so extreme because Asian Americans, who are people of color, have the highest rates of college education.
01:15:04.000So in a society that is supposedly white supremacist, when you look at the income tables by ethnicity, Indian Americans are at the very top.
01:16:56.000I'll tell you a cool story that happened and something that I thought was really inspirational to me.
01:17:00.000In Washington State, where I live, there was a ban on race-based college admissions.
01:17:08.000You have to admit people based on their test scores and their accomplishments.
01:17:12.000You can't look at race and admissions.
01:17:15.000Consequently, and if you look at the social science data, it's I think highly correlated with the number of hours per week that they're studying, Asian Americans do really well.
01:17:23.000They get college admissions at the highest public universities in Washington state.
01:19:52.000And she's got like 60,000 subscribers.
01:19:55.000And I love this story because I think it's funny and it shows that my family, I mean as far as I knew, we were progressive, right?
01:20:03.000I remember I was hanging out with some conservatives and it was at a time when YouTube was demonetizing everybody and like it was the adpocalypse.
01:20:10.000And I had people tell me they're targeting conservatives, you know, specifically to shut down our politics.
01:20:15.000And I said, I don't know, like, you know, my mom makes math videos and she's getting demonetized.
01:20:20.000And then one friend went, why am I not surprised your Korean mother makes math videos?
01:21:03.000Just thinking, I don't know, you know, he's Korean, he's good at math, he's a high school student, he could do fourth grade math, you know, like a stereotype.
01:21:09.000Turned out the stereotype was exactly true.
01:21:11.000He's like, you know, I said, hey man, you know, you know, you're going, you're going to the University of Washington next year to study math.
01:21:30.000And you're like, what have they been teaching him in school?
01:21:34.000I don't think it's anything to do with race.
01:21:37.000I think it's that before I... So I've been pretty good at math most of my life.
01:21:42.000And it's because before I even started in kindergarten, my mom was tutoring me and my brother, my sister, and she was teaching us math and reading.
01:21:49.000So when I started in kindergarten, I knew multiplication and division and all this stuff.
01:22:19.000They have, I mean, long papers about how meritocracy is a system of kind of embedded white supremacy, eugenics, classism, etc., whatever ridiculous arguments they make.
01:22:29.000Because, you know, they really, truly hate the idea that things should be apportioned based on merit.
01:22:36.000And in a certain sense, yeah, people start further behind in a lot of ways.
01:22:42.000It's why I kind of feel like it's, and I'm not saying this literally, I'm saying it figuratively, it's a weapon, the idea.
01:22:54.000You look at what happened to Zimbabwe and the farmers, right?
01:22:57.000You know about that, they took the land away from the farmers.
01:23:00.000It happens to all of these different countries when they go communist.
01:23:03.000You've got a farmer who knows how to farm.
01:23:05.000He hires people for specific tasks he needs help with.
01:23:16.000Now, you, farmers, you own the means of production.
01:23:19.000And then they all fail, the crop spoils, and then they all starve.
01:23:23.000And it's happened over and over again.
01:23:26.000In what capacity do these people think that giving the means of production to the people who are working one particular machine can make the whole system work properly?
01:24:25.000People are coming from poverty, the economy's shut down, they have no hope for the future fiscally, rent's going up, and they're losing, they're blowing their lid, and then they're turning to these weird theories that are getting masked by racism, but it's actually about classism, like people are coming from a lack of education because they weren't born into money.
01:24:44.000I'm agreeing with you that you have these people who had everything destroyed, and they're looking for answers as to why that is, because they don't know, and people offer them up critical race theory.
01:24:54.000I think there's an element to what you're saying that's true, but I think the general profile of the kind of Black Lives Matter protester, rioter, Antifa agitator, is not from a lower class background or a working class background.
01:25:07.000These are people who are sons and daughters of the wealthy that I think have underperformed economically, underperformed socially, and then latch onto this ideology.
01:25:18.000I just made a feature film in America's poorest cities that broadcasts on PBS on Tuesday.
01:25:25.000And I spent five years in a public housing project in Memphis, in the poorest neighborhood in Youngstown, Ohio, in a Latino and multiracial, one of the most violent neighborhoods in Stockton, California.
01:25:37.000They're not talking about any of this stuff.
01:25:39.000Yeah, they don't know that this is what the problem is.
01:26:23.000The Russian revolution, the communist revolutions in the 20th century, they had this idea that it would be a revolution of the proletariat.
01:26:32.000And even Marx admits this in his work.
01:26:34.000He said, oh, this is going to be a proletarian revolution.
01:26:36.000The lower class is going to come and overthrow the landowners and the owners of capital and the factory capitalists.
01:26:42.000And then they realize, oh man, the proletariat is not interested in revolution.
01:28:20.000Federal attorneys are charging people saying, federal crime, federal time.
01:28:24.000And so Huffington Post has some journalists who are saying how convenient for Trump that his federal attorneys are announcing arrests and riots just days before an election.
01:28:34.000And I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay, what does that have to do with Trump?
01:28:38.000Like Trump was like, hey everybody, go riot, help me get elected.
01:28:41.000No, if it wasn't for the federal prosecutors stopping these people, then the riots wouldn't be stopping.
01:28:46.000And then we had a night of peace in Philadelphia.
01:28:58.000You have to maintain law and order in big cities.
01:29:02.000The thing that's really scary is that this happened already before.
01:29:05.000The cities were the thriving places earlier in the last century.
01:29:09.000In the 1960s we had riots that were very strong and very destructive and it kind of led then to the flight to the suburbs and these cities getting gutted.
01:29:19.000So you can still see it today in like Detroit.
01:29:21.000You know Detroit was the richest city in the world in 1950 and today it's coming back a little bit but you know 10 years ago it was a disaster zone.
01:29:31.000So things can change very quickly and I think we're playing with fire when we enable this kind of rioting and destruction.
01:29:39.000That's why I'll tell you I'm worried about Joe Biden.
01:29:47.000But he's also, in his previous administration, was pro-international free trade agreements, notably the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
01:29:53.000What do you think happens when you announce, we're going to have free trade between nations and also raise your taxes in the United States if you run your business here?
01:30:00.000Then all the factories immediately leave because they know they can import their products for free, and they'll pay cheaper taxes.
01:30:06.000What that does is it means American working class people will pay an overpriced amount of money for a sneaker, and a majority of that money goes to profits to the upper class, to the wealthy elites, and it creates a worse and worse divide between the wealthy and the poor.
01:30:19.000It destroys the jobs and then eventually it extracts the value because there's not going to be a job to make that money back.
01:31:56.000Oh, the opioids are just an absolute nightmare, you know.
01:31:59.000I remember, you know, I spent a week with bounty hunters in Youngstown.
01:32:03.000Didn't end up in the movie, but it was kind of a cool experience and, you know, you kick down the doors of people's places and it's just people strung out needles in their arms and it's like, We have systematically destroyed these folks.
01:32:14.000And Youngstown's very interesting because it was a blue-collar, labor town, heavily Democratic, and switched to Trump in 2016.
01:32:23.000It was kind of a bellwether for the shift because people said, wait a minute, the FDR is dead.
01:33:02.000Well, regular people loved that Trump did it.
01:33:05.000Because, as I explained to people, when I was growing up, we couldn't get a medium-rare filet mignon, sprinkle a little salt and garlic, fancy, and all the garnish.
01:33:13.000No, we got the trash steaks from the local deli for a buck, cooked it through because it tasted like crap, and slopped ketchup on it.
01:33:20.000So you get regular working people, I've seen their companies, their jobs removed, destroyed, and they're eating from the bottom of the barrel, and Trump's eating what they're eating.
01:33:41.000What they did is a New York Times reporter like this is the most who like and no point in the editorial cycle did someone say maybe this is a really demeaning and terrible idea.
01:33:57.000So they had, and then, like, there's a class element that they don't address in the story, and it's ridiculous, but they cherry-picked it so that the Biden voters are like, Evian water and kale and kombucha.
01:34:07.000Frankly, it looks like my fridge, I'll admit it.
01:34:47.000And people loved it because he was Bubba from Arkansas.
01:34:50.000I mean, really, like, you know, people- They like it with Trump, yeah.
01:34:53.000Donald Trump, my favorite, one of my, okay, we've had some really good fact checks.
01:34:57.000But I don't know if you guys saw this one.
01:35:00.000First, before I give you the really juicy fact check, I just want to mention, during the debates, Donald Trump and Hillary, he said Hillary Clinton acid washed her server.
01:37:33.000I don't know that he only got, I don't know, 10 donations.
01:37:36.000It means that he got a lot of small donations.
01:37:37.000It means that most people donate around 20 bucks and then he's got a whole bunch of people giving him hundreds of thousands to like his super packs or whatever.
01:37:43.000The other thing people need to realize is that as a politician you can say, my average donation is only $20 and then my average donation to my super pack is half a million.
01:39:55.000I mean, my path, like my political path, you know, I saw myself, I grew up as a man of the left.
01:40:00.000I grew up in California, very progressive.
01:40:02.000I grew up in Sacramento, down the street from Berkeley, and my heroes were the Kind of anti-establishment radicals of the campus revolution in the 1960s.
01:40:11.000You watch the old videos of the speeches defending free speech, defending creativity, defending expression.
01:40:22.000But I went to college and then got involved in left-wing politics.
01:40:25.000And I discovered very quickly That the kind of elite left-wing politics is about the phoniest group of people you could imagine These are people that are staging hunger strikes on campus for people that are just embarrassed by them It's like we're gonna do this for you.
01:40:42.000You might not want it, but we're gonna do it for you anyways And at that moment it just kind of died.
01:40:48.000On a personal level, I can't associate with this.
01:40:57.000So I got out of college, directed documentaries for PBS for about 10 years.
01:41:02.000And then as I was a filmmaker and the filmmaking industry was just getting devoured by the kind of intersectional, hyper-progressive, critical race theory left, I started really digging into it and understanding kind of
01:41:15.000where is this all coming from, what does it all mean, and kind of slowly just abandoned the left and was looking
01:42:44.000They're dividing people in the workplace.
01:42:46.000It undermines everything we stand for.
01:42:49.000And I put a stop to it, even though my opponents are going to demagogue me about it until Election Day.
01:42:55.000I think when he was on the debate stage with Chris Wallace, and Chris Wallace was like, Donald Trump, you recently banned racial sensitivity trainings.
01:43:32.000This is about ending racism in this country, and it's kind of shocking that many people like my opponent over here would support these racist and illegal policies.
01:43:43.000And you know, I wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal basically saying racial sensitivity training is the most bogus Orwellian manipulation of language that exists.
01:43:53.000And I think that's really, we talked about this earlier, the kind of rapid change of language where something becomes unpopular, they just change the phrase.
01:44:45.000They offered me like all of a sudden I got paid a big fat check and I was like, I want to break my contract.
01:44:50.000And then I ultimately I left and I didn't know what I was going to do.
01:44:53.000Recently, Glenn Greenwald, famous journalist, one of the most consequential journalists of our generation, resigned from his own news organization because they were censoring news on the Bidens.
01:45:03.000And you know what the response was from the editor?
01:45:06.000I'm sorry, not from the editor, from... I can't remember who levied this criticism.
01:45:10.000They said something like Glenn was being challenged by an increasing... What did he say?
01:45:17.000Oh yeah, the Democratic Party had become offensive to him because it was now with more women and people of color, and it was challenging his power, so he immediately became disdainful and angry.
01:45:28.000When Glenn Greenwald wrote about how corrupt the elite crony class was, they said he was actually just mad because there were a lot more people of color.
01:45:37.000I mean, he's a gay journalist married to a Brazilian guy.
01:46:21.000So they'll ask 5,000 people and say, okay, now we need 350, you know, Democrats, 200, you know, Republicans, or 260 Republicans, and then we'll determine what we think is going to happen.
01:46:31.000So it's possible they're all completely wrong.
01:46:34.000But I got to say, it would be perhaps wishful thinking for me to think I know better than all of these different institutions.
01:46:41.000But think about what that means that the polls are wrong.
01:46:44.000It means that the American people don't care, that you have literal violations of civil rights law happening all over this country in our own government, that in California they're trying to repeal their civil rights.
01:48:10.000But it doesn't apply to schools and universities.
01:48:12.000And this is, you know, the next big thing.
01:48:15.000And I think I can say without revealing too much detail, my next campaign, my next kind of move on this is that if the president wins, I feel very confident that we could also extend the executive order through Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
01:48:31.000to every public K-12 school and every university in America.
01:49:07.000These are people that are using federal dollars to indoctrinate people into this kind of ideology.
01:49:13.000You don't have a right to public money, and you don't have a right to teach it to public employees, but of course you still have your First Amendment right to do it on your own time and your own dime.
01:49:22.000And also what needs to be said in that capacity, it's one thing if a school says, I'd like to teach you about critical race theory.
01:49:29.000It's another thing if they're applying critical race theory.
01:50:25.000Teaching kids about racial supremacy is an interesting concept, because that's a heavy thing to teach.
01:50:30.000That's the next phase of this campaign, and I'm sitting on basically a fat stack of documents.
01:50:34.000I've been doing public records requests at some school districts.
01:50:38.000I have also whistleblowers at school districts.
01:50:40.000requesting all of their, kind of, diversity, inclusion, ethnic studies, all of these different training programs and curricula.
01:50:47.000And the one in Seattle, it's like, they send me two CD-ROMs.
01:50:51.000Like, actually, like, how am I gonna read this CD-ROM?
01:50:54.000A, but then B, like, the City of Seattle, Seattle Public Schools Curriculum, Ethnic Studies Curriculum, or whatever they call it, Race and Social Justice Initiative.
01:51:04.000The logo is Seattle Public Schools, a picture of the Space Needle, and on top of the Space Needle is a black power fist.
01:51:23.000Kids are not sophisticated enough to say, actually, in Cheryl Harris's original 1993 paper on whiteness as property, she makes a distinct, like, they're They're eight years old!
01:51:33.000And that to me is very dangerous, very destructive, and I just, I think, you know, I've experienced it even with my own children to a certain extent, those kind of teachings, and it's just, it's no good.
01:53:58.000Yeah, so she's very smart in the tech world, and I think she likes to work, and she really enjoys the challenge of that and the balance, so we found a nice balance.
01:54:08.000But, you know, much along the lines, I think, of you, Tim, you know, we lived in Seattle.
01:54:12.000We lived in the kind of urban core of Seattle, and it became untenable.
01:54:16.000I mean, we were getting doxxed and threatened and harassed and posters, and then the moment it crossed the line is when people started randomly cursing out my children in public.
01:55:12.000But, like, something has possessed people that are highly educated, that are affluent, that are professional people, where they're like, yeah, what I gotta do now is curse out this kid.
01:55:23.000I keep thinking about the food supply.
01:55:39.000It's in conjunction with a lot of other things, but I think part of the psychosis of society is the last 30 years of poisoning of our food supply.
01:55:49.000I think you're right, but you give it too much emphasis.
01:56:53.000I just gotta point out, we have a ridiculous amount of superchats, a lot of money from people saying, The fact that you have monetized that ridiculous nonsense phrase is a beautiful thing.
01:59:09.000They're saying we can no longer grade people on if they complete all their work or if they turn in their homework on time or their academic performance.
01:59:16.000We have to do holistic grading that takes into account other factors.
01:59:19.000How is this not some kind of virus that has been implanted in our society to destroy it?
02:01:21.000They had a king they were revolting against.
02:01:23.000We don't, which is part of why I think we can beat this thing or defeat the concept.
02:01:28.000Dude, I saw a friend post, I've never voted before but now I'm doing my duty and it was a picture of a ballot going into the ballot box and it was like, we must stop Trump, he's destroying democracy.
02:01:39.000And I'm just like, the amount of things I must tell you.
02:01:42.000First of all, already voted, and I'm like, is it destroying democracy to appoint Supreme Court justices as per the rules of our system?
02:01:50.000Is it, like, when we had Vaush in here, he was saying that Trump's use of executive authority, executive orders, was, like, authoritarian, and I'm like, but that's literally the confines of the executive branch.
02:01:59.000And it's also, he's utilized it in much less aggressive ways in the last administration.
02:02:04.000Well, he argued that Trump was doing more.
02:02:56.000Acoustic Theory says critical race theory is the center of what global elites expect will be the intellectual undoing of America.
02:03:02.000At its core is a Marxist retelling of a racial supremacist narrative.
02:03:06.000Perplexed Patriot says, Tim, can you use the power of the beanie to predict the election better than the thousands of soon-to-be-unemployed pollsters?
02:03:24.000It may be that Trump wins some states we didn't think possible, and so they're just like, okay, mail-in ballots don't matter at this point.
02:03:45.000I think one of the big things that separates at least me from whatever that woke crowd is, when Trump won, that woman drops to her knees and screams in the sky.
02:04:59.000It's not going to, you know, I got an old buddy works at a tech company and he's like, dude, he's like, first of all, you know, I don't vote.
02:05:27.000And it had these trauma set and it's like, if you are emotionally debilitated because an opposing political party won, that's not because of the politics.
02:08:26.000The system's rigged, we're all doomed anyway.
02:08:28.000And I just got shocked out of it when Trump won.
02:08:32.000Let's see, uh, Balian says, every time I try bringing up Tucker to my liberal friends, it's always, oh, well, Fox lawyers won a case saying any intelligent person would never take anything he says seriously, so I'm not listening to this lying POS.
02:09:38.000I think a lot of people are well-intentioned, you know?
02:09:41.000It's just the gap between intentions and results.
02:09:44.000One eats burritos says if you're if you're really about freedom of speech Tim you you would Nick Fuentes on
02:09:50.000He's actually banned for being a dissident voice and then he says Vosh pedo apologists
02:09:56.000Here's here's what I've said over and over again. And now I'm gonna start a tally list. I have a tally already. I
02:10:02.000I will not be bullied into having people come on this show and I will have them on if they're relevant and I don't care if, you know, someone like Nick has been banned and whatever.
02:10:14.000And I'll also state that these people are kind of trying to sabotage Nick's chances of coming on because he was already recommended to us a while ago and we've already been, you know, working on setting something up.
02:10:24.000So for people to come out now and, like, start... I'm getting messages all the time, people are tweeting at me like crazy, and they're very, like, derogatory.
02:10:31.000It's almost like they're trying to make sure we don't book this guy.
02:10:33.000He's one of the America First guys, and he got banned from a bunch of platforms.
02:10:38.000And so we had, you know, one guy on, and everyone's like, well, they got this guy on, and I'm like, no, no, we're gonna have on who we want to have on.
02:10:43.000And I'm not gonna let people say, well, if you have him, you gotta have him.
02:11:03.000You know, so that's why I don't take him.
02:11:05.000I would like to say that I am actually keeping a tally, and the more people who bother me about Nick Fuentes, the less likely I am to want to talk to him.
02:11:16.000Yeah, but I don't want to fall for people knowing that it's like... Because I think that might be what it is, because I had someone reach out to me very politely and be like, hey, we'd love to make the case for actually having a conversation about this.
02:11:49.000But people think we just like randomly, like, one day we'll be like, oh, let's have this guy I've never heard of come on the show.
02:11:54.000But I know who Nick is, and I know a little bit, and I'm talking with a friend who actually is very familiar with his circumstances, so stay tuned.
02:13:33.000They said don't put white or don't put Asian.
02:13:35.000I know a lot of biracial couples in my area that basically counsel their kids to just say, try to pass as white on your applications because the Asian penalty is like 400 SAT points or something extreme.
02:13:48.000I was told I'd be better off just trying to claim that I was Latino.
02:14:31.000Flemish Populous says, it has been demonstrated that the more you discriminate against someone for a specific characteristic, the more they identify themselves by that characteristic, i.e.
02:16:06.000But the thing that's really interesting about Evergreen right now is that their enrollment has dropped from like 5,000 something to 2,000.
02:16:13.000So they've been hit hard, and I think it shows again, like professional sports, like basketball, like these other things, they go really hard woke, but then it does them enormous damage.
02:16:58.000So he's got a stand-up, and I haven't seen the stand-up, but he's got a bit that was being marketed where he's like, so my daughter came home from college and she's like, you can't say that!
02:17:40.000Right now, according to Gallup, 55% of Americans say they're better off now than four years ago.
02:17:45.000Let's see how good their memories are, and if they can, you know, if they trust in Trump to get us out of this, because if they're better off now than they were four years ago, that means under Biden they weren't doing so well.
02:17:54.000And they're doing way better now under Trump.
02:18:12.000I think, you know, but critical race theory is bizarrely kind of... eugenics is scientific racism about 100 years ago.
02:18:19.000The idea is that you can reduce someone to an essential racial characteristic, you know, and then sort them into a hierarchy based on those characteristics.
02:18:29.000And it's, I mean, false science, right?
02:18:31.000But the critical race theorists do really the same thing.
02:18:34.000They say you can be reduced to whiteness or blackness.
02:19:33.000They tried canceling Joe Rogan because he had Alex Jones on.
02:19:36.000Around the exact same time, people were getting mad at me for having Vaush on, and I was like, my response to people was, I'm gonna book him again.
02:19:41.000And he's an ex-boxer, like he's a big dude.
02:20:23.000Normal people are down with a wide range of opinions.
02:20:26.000And honestly, you can say out-of-the-box stuff, and it's only a small minority, a very small moral dictatorship from both sides that wants to cancel other people.
02:20:37.000A lot of times, little things people say will get caught by the media and replayed over and over again, and that's what people think people are, and it's not at all what people are.
02:20:47.000Stankly Balls says, Tim, you need to get hammered on election night, and at the end of the night where you have a wrestling match with Vosh, you then need to end the night where you take off the beanie, light it on fire, and the color will show the results.
02:21:02.000I'm pretty sure everyone is going to be watching the results too, and they're going to get notifications if we know who won the president, and you don't need me to light my beanie on fire.
02:21:11.000I'm not going to know before anyone else.
02:22:13.000People weren't happy, but it's always around 10 or 15%.
02:22:16.000And I think it's because most people who watch me are kind of just chill, moderate, slightly to the right, maybe a little to the left, maybe libertarian, and they want to hear conversations and they want to see good ideas flourish.
02:22:27.000So I think, look, if there's some people who don't like the show, you just don't watch it.
02:23:49.000You know, within your audience and your friends, if people, you know, some people get a principal disagreement with you, of course, and I think you would engage with that, but you have to separate people that you cannot please with people that you can have a dialogue with.
02:24:02.000And this might be one of those cases, I don't know.
02:24:04.000Yeah, some people are saying it's because he's a he's a grifter.
02:24:07.000He's a, you know, Vosch is a bad faith actor or whatever.
02:24:09.000And I'm like, look, man, that may be true, but they say the same thing about me.
02:24:13.000They say the same thing about Ben Shapiro.
02:24:14.000They say the same thing about Alex Jones.
02:24:16.000So it's like... Grifter is a meaningless word at this point.
02:24:18.000It's like, it's like, it's like in the in the 90s when a band sold out.
02:24:35.000I would love if like Jordan Peterson and Alex Jones were on one side and then you had just like, I wouldn't know who you'd have on the left, but the idea is to get like a serious intellectual.
02:24:43.000They had Steve Bannon on a monk debate.
02:24:48.000Not, uh, Alex Jones is a very bombastic, entertaining fellow, putting him next to a Jordan Peterson professor and then doing the same thing for the left and like, debate!
02:24:58.000And then you have, you know, Jordan, I don't know how he would deal with Alex or Alex with Jordan, but it would be really funny, wouldn't it?
02:25:03.000Like them trying to argue on the same side.
02:25:05.000You'll eventually have quantum computers and artificial intelligence that'll be able to, like, set up a Tim Pool versus whoever you want to see debate.
02:25:12.000And then it'll happen as the artificial intelligence thinks Tim would be.
02:25:16.000And so you don't have to force Tim to have 80 million people on the show.
02:26:11.000Way before 2012 I was on the internet that the Mayan prophecy was actually about a great awakening That would have would create it was a great awakening that would occur where people would start to understand each other more and gradually come to know each other's thoughts and I read that and I was like, I wonder what that means and then I 2012 was when we started seeing in political campaigning
02:26:33.000the use of social media very heavily and then Twitter became more and more prominent and now we
02:26:38.000are in the world where everyone can see everyone's thoughts on Twitter. Neural net is around
02:26:42.000the corner. Elon Musk. What is it? Neuralink?
02:26:45.000Oh yeah that's what I'm talking about. Oh yeah.
02:26:47.000Dude, we really are learning each other's thoughts with the internet.
02:26:50.000Jeff Norman says, bring back the UFO spinning tabletop thing.
02:26:58.000So the UFO was a levitating lamp, and I ordered a levitating potted plant.
02:27:04.000So, I thought it would be funny because the plant is actually alive.
02:27:08.000So, what we have is we have this duster for the table, and people would be like, spin the UFO, and then we would turn the air on and spin it.
02:27:14.000Now we're gonna have this poor potted plant spinning at high rates of speed, not understanding what's happening, and now that the plant has a brain or anything.
02:29:04.000We're gonna get all the attempts, and even someone like Nick Fuentes.
02:29:07.000But I'm like, if a journalist needs, if somebody, if we're gonna get to the root of what's going on in this country, and who these people are who have followings and have ideas, we need to understand them.
02:30:25.000So, uh, how about, do you want to mention anything?
02:30:27.000Your socials, any programs, anything you're doing, Chris?
02:30:29.000Yeah, I mean, you know, I've just started to really be active on Twitter the last six months, and it's been actually a lot of fun, and, um, it's a tremendous boost, and I think it's just been fascinating to watch, and obviously you know this, probably a lot of your listeners know, but Things that happen on Twitter influence the real world in powerful ways, and it's just been great to take ideas, take research, take investigative reports that I've been doing, and actually putting it out there.
02:30:53.000So I'd love to engage with all of your listeners, your fans.
02:32:58.000So we're gonna have some- some crazy conversations throughout the night.
02:33:01.000We're gonna- we're gonna open up this- like this- I'm gonna run the stream all night.
02:33:04.000We're just gonna like walk away, and there'll be people hanging out here, having pizza and beer, and we're gonna have the election on right- there's a TV over there.
02:33:10.000And then throughout the house, we're gonna have a bunch of people playing video games, hanging, skating, all that good stuff.
02:33:53.000And it is coming out November 2nd, the day before the election, because it is about, very much so, it is about violent revolution and the cycle of violence.