Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Leftists Threaten More Riots As Election Draws Near, DC Riot Squad Is Here

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:38.000 you appropriate to refer to protests as protests.

00:00:43.000 Well, because, you know, there's been a bit of violence.

00:00:46.000 They don't want to call them riots, so the AP new guideline says to call it unrest.

00:00:51.000 And a lot of people are kind of upset about it, they're saying that's ridiculous, just call them riots.

00:00:55.000 I don't know, I actually kind of agree, because you can lump the protests and the riots together by calling it unrest and still call it riots when they're explicitly riots.

00:01:03.000 Now, we're entering in the final stretch for the presidential debate.

00:01:07.000 Donald Trump is up on stage.

00:01:09.000 He's saying, stand back and stand by.

00:01:11.000 And the whole media erupts, the proud boys.

00:01:13.000 And you've got ongoing riots.

00:01:15.000 You've got threats of more violence and more riots over the nomination and potential or likely confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett.

00:01:23.000 Plus, the election is going to be absolute chaos.

00:01:26.000 So, you know what?

00:01:27.000 I think for once, y'all have listened to me talk way too much, because we have right now the DC Riot Squad, and I'll just let you guys introduce yourselves.

00:01:35.000 So, you go.

00:01:36.000 Here.

00:01:37.000 Alright, I'll start.

00:01:39.000 Thank you.

00:01:40.000 I'm Shelby Talcott.

00:01:41.000 I work for the Daily Caller.

00:01:43.000 I'm a media reporter and field correspondent.

00:01:46.000 So we've been out on the ground covering All these riots and protests, whatever you choose to call them.

00:01:54.000 Unrest!

00:01:54.000 All the unrest this year, and we'll continue to do so.

00:01:58.000 So, all three of you, you've been everywhere.

00:02:02.000 Every single one of these major events.

00:02:04.000 You guys want to introduce yourselves?

00:02:05.000 Yeah, so I'm Jorge Ventura, field reporter with The Daily Caller.

00:02:09.000 Same thing as kind of Shelby, you know, covering the civil arrests.

00:02:12.000 I could actually call Shelby my partner in crime now.

00:02:15.000 Officially so.

00:02:16.000 Yeah, just been covering the civil unrest, you know, been on the field kind of, you know, providing the audience a real kind of an in-depth look at the riots.

00:02:25.000 You know, most of the time when you're watching the news, they'll stay out there till like 7, 8 p.m.

00:02:29.000 and then they'll go, you know, reporters go right back to their hotel and then you don't see what happens after that.

00:02:33.000 I think a really good thing that we've done at The Caller is we've been able to provide you guys like the full story, you know, from the daytime, from, you know, after 8 into the late hours like 2 a.m.

00:02:42.000 So I think we've done, you know, a really good job and so far it seems like Americans are really appreciating the coverage.

00:02:46.000 And you both got arrested.

00:02:48.000 Yes.

00:02:48.000 Yeah.

00:02:49.000 And then, but Richie, you're here too, so they're fighting over a microphone right now because we can't...

00:02:53.000 I wasn't arrested, though.

00:02:54.000 You weren't arrested.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, I was not.

00:02:56.000 Just these two.

00:02:57.000 I'm Richie McGinnis.

00:02:58.000 I'm the chief video director at The Daily Caller.

00:03:00.000 And yeah, basically, when all this stuff started, Jorge and Shelby were in D.C.

00:03:04.000 I was actually in New York.

00:03:06.000 And once all of the unrest started around the country, as the video director, I saw a real opportunity for our team to actually go to these protests and cover them authentically, you know, tell the full story, you know, talk to the the protesters, the rioters.

00:03:22.000 Law enforcement, and also the people who are cleaning up the community the day afterwards.

00:03:27.000 So really trying to tell the full story.

00:03:29.000 Aren't you the guy who gave first aid to that dude in Kenosha?

00:03:32.000 I am.

00:03:33.000 That's crazy, dude.

00:03:34.000 Wow.

00:03:34.000 So even before we started, you guys were about to get into these stories, and I'm like, stop telling me stories!

00:03:41.000 Until we turned the camera on.

00:03:43.000 So look, I used to go on the ground for all this stuff and it's escalated.

00:03:46.000 I was in a couple places where there were active gunshots and stuff.

00:03:51.000 You guys have been all over the place as it's been going on for months and is likely going to get crazier.

00:03:56.000 So we'll talk all about this.

00:03:58.000 I'm just going to throw it to you guys and we'll get started with wherever you want.

00:04:01.000 We've got some news relative to Donald Trump and Proud Boys.

00:04:06.000 Vice is apparently issuing a statement.

00:04:07.000 It's kind of funny.

00:04:08.000 But, uh, before we get into all that, make sure you smash the like button, subscribe.

00:04:11.000 We do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m.

00:04:14.000 And, uh, yeah, hang out.

00:04:14.000 We're gonna- we're just gonna- we're just gonna talk about it.

00:04:16.000 We got a bunch of- we got a big crew here.

00:04:19.000 But I- I guess I'll put it this way, man.

00:04:22.000 I got really angry today when I was reading about all of these stories that are desperate to claim Donald Trump refuses to denounce white supremacy.

00:04:31.000 And so they do this clever trick where they're like, Donald Trump refuses to denounce white supremacy.

00:04:35.000 Donald Trump tells Proud Boys stand back and stand by, creating like this manipulation in media where they're trying to make you think the Proud Boys are a white supremacist group.

00:04:43.000 And so what I always say is like, look, man, the Proud Boys are a lot of things and you can criticize them, but they're not a white supremacist group.

00:04:48.000 The media is desperate to play that up.

00:04:50.000 So the first thing I want to ask, as the leftist narrative and the media narrative tends to be, that it's actually right-wing militias and right-wing groups that are starting all the violence.

00:05:00.000 Now look, I gotta be honest.

00:05:02.000 I've only, for the most part, watched your videos to get a sense of what's going on on the ground.

00:05:05.000 So let's hear it from you guys.

00:05:07.000 Is it really right-wing groups that are secretly starting all the riots?

00:05:11.000 No, and I think a really good example of this, actually, a New York Times article just came out, I think it was today, and a photographer, I believe it was, wanted to go undercover to confirm that right-wing militias and extremists were starting this violence, and he actually found the exact opposite.

00:05:34.000 They published that?

00:05:35.000 Yes.

00:05:36.000 Wow.

00:05:36.000 Yeah, it came out today and I think we've seen that too, you know.

00:05:42.000 You look at Portland, you look at Seattle, you look at some of these other areas that we've been to and it is very clearly not right-wing militias starting It's absurd to imply that.

00:05:54.000 I mean, all you have to do is go out there later than 9 p.m., 10 p.m.

00:05:58.000 and see it for yourself and talk to these people.

00:06:00.000 They're definitely not pro Trump.

00:06:04.000 They're definitely, you know, it's absurd to imply that.

00:06:08.000 Like, it's crazy to me that you guys can pump out hours of videos every

00:06:12.000 time you go to these places, but then you have low information.

00:06:16.000 I guess I call them low information culture war belligerence.

00:06:19.000 There are people who are online screaming like, we're right, you're wrong.

00:06:22.000 It's actually right-wingers doing it, and I'm like, the only videos I see are like leftist black bloc people and Black Lives Matter going around throwing bricks and starting fires. 0.86

00:06:32.000 Yet for some reason, you see all these people on Twitter.

00:06:34.000 I wonder if it's just they know they're lying, and they have to.

00:06:37.000 Because I mean, if they admitted what was really going on with left wing violence, they'd lose.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, I think I think it's a mistake.

00:06:43.000 It's like I think when people see an image of someone in like militia gear, they just automatically assume they're like a trumper or on the right.

00:06:51.000 And like Shelby was saying, and actually, I was kind of in shock myself when we actually interviewed these people.

00:06:55.000 These people are actually on the side of the protesters.

00:06:56.000 They're not they're not even on the right at all.

00:06:59.000 You mean like the Boogaloo Boys and stuff?

00:07:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:01.000 So a lot of these folks are not even, you know, don't even consider themselves like Republicans.

00:07:04.000 A lot of these folks consider themselves like Libertarians and kind of want to like, not, I don't want to say overthrow the system, but obviously want less laws and stuff like that.

00:07:12.000 So that's one thing that, you know, me and Shelby kind of learned on the ground, you know, covering this stuff in, you know, different cities too.

00:07:17.000 But I mean, that's referencing these instances where there have been Boogaloo Boys. 0.99

00:07:22.000 I mean, for the most part, it's just black block, far-left people, right? 0.99

00:07:25.000 Like most of the places you've been to?

00:07:26.000 Yeah, I mean, Richie and I went to Seattle for CHAZ, the Autonomous Zone, and that was definitely not right-wing people, I would say, but, you know, everyone had guns there, and everyone, it was...

00:07:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:43.000 I mean, didn't they pump like hundreds of rounds into a pickup truck and killed two kids?

00:07:45.000 what I, you know, people would assume about each side, but that's, it's just a false narrative.

00:07:52.000 I mean, didn't they pump like hundreds of rounds into a pickup truck and killed two kids?

00:07:56.000 Or no, they, one of them died.

00:07:58.000 Yeah, there were, there were three shootings, I believe, in Chaz at different times.

00:08:03.000 And did two kids die?

00:08:05.000 Two people died?

00:08:06.000 It was two kids, yeah.

00:08:09.000 While reporting in Seattle, a lot of these, to get into CHAZ, they had armed security.

00:08:15.000 And then while we were there, I was actually able to get one to do a quick interview with me.

00:08:18.000 He wouldn't do it on camera, but I was like, who's responsible for this stuff?

00:08:22.000 And they're like, oh, we're with the John Brown Gun Club.

00:08:24.000 That was the first time I've ever heard of the John Brown Gun Club.

00:08:27.000 That's like a left-wing militia.

00:08:28.000 That's a left-wing militia.

00:08:29.000 So right there, I was like, okay, you know, these guys are, you know, about the Second Amendment stuff, obviously when it comes to that.

00:08:34.000 But it was, that was the very first time I've ever heard anything about that.

00:08:37.000 And I've heard, you know, that name, John Brown Gun Club, you know, pop up multiple times after our trip in Seattle.

00:08:41.000 That's crazy that they would take the name John Brown Gun Club and now it's associated with Marxists and Communists or whatever.

00:08:49.000 Did you want to jump in, Richie?

00:08:51.000 Yeah, I mean, actually to be fair though, while we were in the Chaz, Shelby and I did film a video of a couple of Proud Boys, four Proud Boys, beating up a guy pretty badly.

00:09:00.000 Really?

00:09:00.000 Why were they there?

00:09:01.000 Well, basically, we were covering this.

00:09:03.000 These folks were bringing in a flag and they.

00:09:07.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

00:09:08.000 That's right.

00:09:08.000 So their security were they were the Proud Boys.

00:09:10.000 And after the flag bearers left, I basically said to show like Shelby and I were like, well, the Proud Boys are still here.

00:09:17.000 And as they were on their way out.

00:09:18.000 An individual went up, and we were a little ways back, so we didn't see the initial confrontation that caused it.

00:09:23.000 But we did run up right as the brawling was starting, and I mean, you can see the video on Twitter.

00:09:28.000 It's pretty brutal.

00:09:28.000 It's a pretty brutal beating that gave the guy.

00:09:30.000 Wow.

00:09:31.000 It was like 6-5 vs. 1.

00:09:32.000 6 vs. 1.

00:09:33.000 And actually, a couple of the Proud Boys were armed, and at one point in the video, it looks like the guy who's getting beaten actually is leaning for the gun.

00:09:40.000 And that's the kind of situation where I'm looking like, do I have to form-tackle Shelby, and are we going to hit the deck here?

00:09:46.000 As she shakes her head.

00:09:47.000 As the Proud Boys are basically the biggest story right now, I can't believe Joe Biden decided to shout that out at the bait because I immediately got messages from friends.

00:09:57.000 They're like, what's a Proud Boy?

00:09:59.000 And I kid you not, some people think it's like an LGBTQ thing.

00:10:02.000 Like for real, like it was a joke from Gavin McInnes. 0.79

00:10:05.000 It was meant to be silly.

00:10:06.000 Now it's just like the legit thing that gets shouted out.

00:10:09.000 And now they're like the big story.

00:10:11.000 So let me ask you guys, out of all of the riots you've been to, You mentioned, you know, in the Chazz shop, whatever, there was an instance where the Proud Boys beat some dude pretty bad.

00:10:21.000 Has there been anything else you've seen across the country?

00:10:24.000 I mean, like, not like the... Well, yeah, actually, just... You guys can answer.

00:10:27.000 Just leave it there.

00:10:29.000 That, I think, is the only example that we've seen of the Proud Boys really inserting themselves into a situation like that.

00:10:41.000 I mean, Richie went to a Proud Boys rally last weekend, and I think the police did a pretty good job of keeping... Was there even, like, Antifa there?

00:10:51.000 Well, there were actually there was a counter protest, which actually was much, much larger by a magnitude of at least five.

00:10:56.000 Wow.

00:10:57.000 Which was just a couple of miles away, but it was a really big park.

00:11:00.000 And so unlike there wasn't there was a kind of a Proud Boys rally downtown in August, which got pretty violent, which we weren't present for.

00:11:07.000 But that was where Antifa and the Proud Boys, whatever, the prayer group, they were clashing.

00:11:12.000 Was that Patriot Prayer or was that really Proud Boys?

00:11:14.000 Well, I don't really know exactly.

00:11:16.000 It's hard to tell.

00:11:16.000 It was run by the Patriot Prayer.

00:11:18.000 But there were definitely some people in there who identified as Proud Boys.

00:11:22.000 But this weekend it was explicitly Proud Boys.

00:11:25.000 There were Patriot Prayer people there as well.

00:11:28.000 But it was almost entirely peaceful.

00:11:30.000 Only there was a very small little physical altercation where they were basically asking the press

00:11:36.000 who they were on the way in.

00:11:37.000 And they were forcing out some Antifa press.

00:11:40.000 Whatever that means.

00:11:41.000 I mean, obviously there's no credentials that say Antifa.

00:11:43.000 So I'm not sure of the validity on that, but there was a small.

00:11:46.000 Commentation, but I'd say other than those two instances.

00:11:49.000 No, we haven't seen anything or Sorry, that was that was even I would say like that was a proud boys rally so it wasn't an example of the proud boys, you know going into a protest or a riot and trying to You know change the direction of things or even start a riot.

00:12:07.000 Yeah, and Yeah, so... I mean, even the main thing, the reason why the Provos are even coming up again is because the violence has gotten so bad in these cities.

00:12:15.000 Now, this is not me saying this, this is from folks that I've interviewed in the Provos.

00:12:18.000 What they've told me is just, you know, the violence is getting so bad in the cities, they feel like they have to come in there and, like, restore law and order, or at least show other Americans, hey, you know, we stand with law and order.

00:12:28.000 We, you know, we want to, we want, you know, this to be restored to how it was.

00:12:32.000 So that's the big thing that I've been picking up is they feel like they got to come in and kind of, you know, just, you know, just restore something back.

00:12:39.000 Well, they declared victory in Portland.

00:12:42.000 So I mean, first of all, we should probably describe what the Proud Boys are because like we're sitting here acting like I can straight up say nobody knows who the Proud Boys are.

00:12:50.000 Joe Biden brings them up and then I'm just operating under the assumption everybody's listening.

00:12:53.000 So they're Western chauvinists.

00:12:55.000 They're basically a mixed bag of politics.

00:12:58.000 They're nationalists.

00:13:00.000 And they have previously had violence as a core function of what their group was, in terms of their degrees.

00:13:06.000 Do you guys know all the degrees?

00:13:08.000 I know the first... So basically, to join the Proud Boys, first there's like, you go to a chapter, and you make an announcement that you're not going to apologize for creating the Western world, something to that effect.

00:13:19.000 The second degree, I think, is that you get beat up, they punch you, while you name five breakfast cereals.

00:13:26.000 It's because it was a joke, it wasn't a real, like, you know what I mean?

00:13:29.000 Like, this is not an actual, like, gang or something, whatever.

00:13:34.000 So then, I don't know what the third one is.

00:13:36.000 It might be getting a tattoo or something.

00:13:37.000 But then I remember the fourth degree, like the highest rank or whatever, was getting into a fight defending Western values.

00:13:45.000 So there was actually a component where if they went out and Antifa started a fight and they fought somebody, then they got a rank up or something.

00:13:52.000 So, they've been... The media likes to vary, like, they give no favors to the Proud Boys.

00:13:58.000 They give favors all day, at least in my experience, to Antifa.

00:14:01.000 Like, Antifa doesn't exist, it's just an idea.

00:14:03.000 And then you get the Proud Boys, and it's like, well, they're far-right extremists, neo-Nazi white supremacists, alt-right white nationalists, like every name in the book. 0.65

00:14:09.000 They endorse violence, and they're hunting people down. 0.93

00:14:11.000 In fact, they're responsible for all of the violence. 0.98

00:14:14.000 Like, I was reading CBS today, and they said, the Proud Boys, comma, a white supremacist group, comma, and I'm like, That's just ridiculous. 0.96

00:14:21.000 Like, you gotta get your facts straight, man.

00:14:24.000 And this is what really, I hope it's clear to everybody listening, like, if you guys have no problem saying, oh man, the Proud Boys beat up some guy really bad, like, you're giving us the honest take.

00:14:34.000 You're not protecting any of these people.

00:14:36.000 But the reality is, I don't see far-right groups starting riots for the past 110, 120 days.

00:14:43.000 But how is that, that narrative exists for some reason?

00:14:47.000 You look at you.

00:14:49.000 I think it's, you know, it's what the the media wants.

00:14:54.000 Yeah.

00:14:54.000 For me, it's like a huge media creation.

00:14:57.000 It's like like I was like we were speaking before the show started is for them to be brought up at a presidential debate.

00:15:03.000 To me, it was really disappointing because it's like we're in the middle of a pandemic.

00:15:07.000 People are literally trying to put food on the table.

00:15:08.000 People are wondering if we're getting a stimulus check.

00:15:11.000 And we're talking about the problem is like, you know, like I said, if you're in Michigan or Pennsylvania and you're an undecided voter, if there are any undecided voters still, You're just wondering, like, how does this even affect my life?

00:15:20.000 What's a proud point?

00:15:21.000 Yeah, so I think, you know, for me, they're becoming just, wait, they got too much free clout off the presidential debate.

00:15:26.000 They're becoming this huge media creation that's, like, that's not really playing a role in the election.

00:15:31.000 And, you know, for some reason, they're, like, the number one trending topic.

00:15:34.000 It's Joe Biden.

00:15:36.000 Yeah.

00:15:37.000 It's just Donald Trump is the answer.

00:15:39.000 And it's a mechanism by which this violence in our streets can be, you know, his responsibility.

00:15:45.000 They can blame him.

00:15:46.000 And with Antifa, that's obviously not the case.

00:15:49.000 And so the downplaying that you see there, I mean, that's no surprise either.

00:15:54.000 So that's my answer.

00:15:55.000 Is it Antifa rioting or is it Black Lives Matter?

00:15:58.000 I think there's a mix, for sure.

00:16:00.000 I mean, certain cities that we've been to, there's more of an Antifa presence.

00:16:04.000 Really?

00:16:05.000 And in other cities, like Portland, for example.

00:16:08.000 But they're flying Black Lives Matter flags in Portland.

00:16:11.000 Yeah, there's a combination there as well, but I'd say in terms of the organization of the tactics and stuff like that, like when we were in Portland, you know, the BLM activists would come up and take the stage right around sunset and they'd say, I'm not going near that fence.

00:16:24.000 You know, I'm just, I'm here to demonstrate.

00:16:26.000 And when we come in near that fence and they come out and when we're violent, I can rag on the media forever.

00:16:30.000 here, then that defeats the whole purpose of what we're doing.

00:16:34.000 So we saw a lot of that.

00:16:35.000 And then, you know, the Antifa folks come out at 12 a.m.

00:16:37.000 when all the cable news, you know, they're no longer live and there's no more

00:16:41.000 correspondence out there and it's no longer a party like atmosphere.

00:16:45.000 We'll just leave it at that.

00:16:46.000 Then, you know, I can rag on the media forever.

00:16:48.000 It's crazy how you guys, you're literally just there the whole time.

00:16:54.000 Be it through any one of these rides or particularly like the more severe crazy ones like Kenosha.

00:16:58.000 And the news crews, they're gone.

00:17:01.000 I'm curious to people listening.

00:17:03.000 Have you ever thought about the fact that when you see one of these Twitter videos, there's no news crews anywhere?

00:17:10.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:17:10.000 What do you guys think like you're the only ones down there?

00:17:12.000 I think part of it is because The media is a really like these protesters and riders do not like the media So if you come in with a big camera and a legitimate crew the chances that you get Forcibly pushed out are high.

00:17:30.000 We've seen it multiple times before and so what we do is we go in much more low-key with literally our cell phones and And the difference is that a lot of these outlets will say, OK, you know what?

00:17:53.000 It's too dangerous.

00:17:54.000 Let's just leave.

00:17:54.000 But it's part of the story.

00:17:56.000 And I think that's that's the other issue I have with a lot of people in the media is that they say that, you know, conservatives are are overblowing the violence.

00:18:04.000 But when it's happening night after night in multiple cities, it's part of the story.

00:18:08.000 And then, you know, even on my very first night, you know, ever actually reporting for Daily Caller on the job, I believe it was, uh, that it was like May 29th and the White House goes on lockdown.

00:18:20.000 And it was like, I believe it was like 12, 15.

00:18:21.000 I remember it.

00:18:23.000 And, uh, our producer, Sean, you know, he messaged me and says, Hey, we need a reporter on the ground.

00:18:28.000 He's like, would you go?

00:18:29.000 I know you're, you know, you just started.

00:18:30.000 I was like, I was like, I'll get an Uber right now.

00:18:32.000 And as soon as I got to the ground at Lafayette Square, it was hectic.

00:18:38.000 The crowd was going crazy.

00:18:40.000 And I was setting up my phone on this little cell phone tripod.

00:18:44.000 And as I'm setting it up, I could hear Leland Rett from Fox News getting ready to do his live shot.

00:18:50.000 And as soon as he says, I'm Leland Wright with Fox News, you could just hear the whole crowd say, Fox News?

00:18:55.000 And then that's when they all go to attack him.

00:18:58.000 They like stole his mic, they threw it back at him.

00:19:00.000 And then this is my very first time ever reporting for The Daily Caller.

00:19:03.000 So I was like, I just turned my phone on, I hit record.

00:19:06.000 And then I started doing like some narration.

00:19:08.000 And then Leland was able to make it to the police.

00:19:10.000 And I just posted it on Twitter.

00:19:12.000 And I think like an hour or two later, the clip was at like 200K views.

00:19:16.000 Wow!

00:19:16.000 Then the next morning I woke up to like, you know, Fox playing it, Tucker wanted it.

00:19:20.000 But right there, that was my first experience saying, wait, you know, this game is different now because, you know, I went to school where, you know, I majored in broadcast journalism, like the old school style where like, when you go report a story, you dress nice.

00:19:32.000 You look good.

00:19:33.000 Your hair is combed over.

00:19:34.000 And you talk like this.

00:19:35.000 And you talk like this.

00:19:36.000 I'm George Rodriguez.

00:19:37.000 I love you at Park.

00:19:38.000 And I learned really quick.

00:19:39.000 I'm like, you know what?

00:19:40.000 This is going to be a different style of journalism that I was taught of the whole dressing nice.

00:19:43.000 We're going to have to adapt.

00:19:45.000 And right there at that first night, how, like Shelby said, is we kind of learned, like, hey, we can't, we can't approach this, you know, how we used to.

00:19:51.000 Aren't you mad that you wasted all that money?

00:19:53.000 Yes.

00:19:53.000 Going to school?

00:19:54.000 You just go out there with a cell phone and, like, Tucker Carlson's like, let me run it?

00:19:59.000 Man, was that that fateful day where Trump did the photo op?

00:20:04.000 No, that was a few days before that.

00:20:06.000 Oh, OK.

00:20:07.000 Yeah, the lockdown happened later.

00:20:08.000 Yeah.

00:20:09.000 Yeah.

00:20:10.000 So seeing Leland Rigg get attacked was pretty crazy.

00:20:13.000 And I believe about two or three weeks after that, Shelby actually Yeah, so we were, it was sort of a tense situation.

00:20:26.000 There was a line of police and then a line of protesters or rioters.

00:20:29.000 I don't know if, unrest people, whatever you call it.

00:20:33.000 Unrest, yeah.

00:20:34.000 Unresters.

00:20:37.000 And yeah, I don't know how you know.

00:20:40.000 And a group came with shields and they were all moving to the front of the line so that the police had shields and they had shields.

00:20:49.000 And so naturally I roamed over and started to film and a group of girls accused me of being an undercover cop.

00:20:58.000 And I was like, I'm not not pretty sure I'm not an undercover cop.

00:21:03.000 But they didn't believe me.

00:21:04.000 And and I One or two protesters were actually trying to calm the situation down.

00:21:10.000 I showed them, like, my bio, I showed them, you know, my Twitter to show them, you know, who I was, and one of them was like, yeah, okay, she is who she says she is, and they were like, delete the footage, stop filming, and I, you know, am Irish Catholic, like, short-tempered.

00:21:32.000 You know, if you tell me to do something I'm probably just gonna do the exact opposite.

00:21:37.000 So I, well I stayed because it was sort of, I also knew that a lot of media will just

00:21:43.000 leave and I feel like that's really wrong and you can't let, you know, this is my job

00:21:49.000 and you can't be bullied into something and so they started pushing me around, shoving

00:21:54.000 me, one of the girls grabbed my phone, she was on the ground, like with her, I think 0.92

00:21:58.000 one of my coworkers was like prying her fingers off of my phone and I got shoved into the

00:22:03.000 police line actually and the police pulled me through and then they handcuffed me.

00:22:09.000 You guys have like special phones when you go down that like?

00:22:12.000 Nope, this is my only phone.

00:22:13.000 That's why I fought for it.

00:22:14.000 Like, I was not letting go of this phone.

00:22:16.000 I was like, this is my baby, you know?

00:22:19.000 Yeah, a second phone.

00:22:20.000 You definitely gotta get like a burner.

00:22:21.000 Yeah, a second phone.

00:22:22.000 Yeah, just something you can trash.

00:22:23.000 I think that's a good idea.

00:22:24.000 Like this cheapo Android.

00:22:25.000 I'm gonna tell the story from my perspective though because basically that, you know, police-

00:22:26.000 You wanna start off real quick?

00:22:27.000 Just tell the story.

00:22:28.000 I'm gonna tell the story.

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:30.000 Well, yeah.

00:22:31.000 Sorry.

00:22:31.000 I got to tell this story from my perspective because Shelby and I were right there on the police lines.

00:22:38.000 Things were kind of settled down.

00:22:39.000 Actually, the police had pushed everybody out of the area and, you know, they were set up.

00:22:43.000 And so there were just two lines of Protesters, unrestors, and I'm actually negotiating a content deal, trying to keep everybody employed.

00:22:55.000 And Shelby's like, hey, I'm going to go over there with Matt and Vince.

00:22:59.000 And I'm like, oh, yeah, you're good.

00:23:00.000 OK, cool.

00:23:01.000 And I'm on the phone and I just I hear all this yelling and I turn and I just see Shelby behind police lines, handcuffed, just screaming.

00:23:11.000 And I was like, uh, yeah, I think I gotta go.

00:23:15.000 I remember that, I think there was a video of you, like, getting cuffed, right?

00:23:17.000 Yeah.

00:23:17.000 And people were freaking out, like, why are they handcuffing her?

00:23:20.000 No, that was the second time we got arrested.

00:23:23.000 No, no, no, no, I remember saying, like, it was BS that you got handcuffed because you were being attacked.

00:23:27.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.

00:23:28.000 But then you guys got arrested recently.

00:23:30.000 Last week.

00:23:31.000 So my initial reaction to you guys getting arrested, so, uh, just like, uh, Well, yeah, I'll just start from the beginning.

00:23:38.000 When I heard that you guys got arrested, I saw a bunch of people on Twitter tweeting, like, this is BS, they're arresting journalists.

00:23:44.000 And I gotta be honest, I was laughing, you know why?

00:23:46.000 Because this happens all the time.

00:23:48.000 Journalists get arrested, they get shoved by cops.

00:23:50.000 Like, I've got friends who are reporting in Portland, and they're standing on the side where the cop will come and shove them.

00:23:54.000 It happens.

00:23:55.000 It does.

00:23:56.000 And all of a sudden now, to see people who normally have never tweeted about it, like, sounding just like these other left-wing journalists, It's a legitimate- I'm not trying to disrespect anybody.

00:24:04.000 I'm saying like, now we're seeing conservatives be like, whoa!

00:24:07.000 And then my reaction was like, you know what man, look.

00:24:10.000 It's chaotic.

00:24:11.000 You got Antifa pretending to be press.

00:24:13.000 And then the cops are like, there's a big crowd in front of me.

00:24:16.000 I have no idea who you are.

00:24:18.000 Everybody's getting arrested.

00:24:19.000 And I've been in this situation.

00:24:20.000 But when your guys' boss called them up and said, yeah, they're reporters and the police refused to cut you loose, that's when I was like, now that's some BS.

00:24:30.000 You can make a mistake and I'm willing to be like, well, fine, mistakes happen.

00:24:35.000 But I don't know.

00:24:35.000 You guys want to tell a story about what went down when you got arrested covering the Antifa riots?

00:24:40.000 Yeah, well, I think Shelby should start because her starting point is a little bit more interesting than mine because she was like a block away from the police shooting, right Shelby?

00:24:48.000 Yeah, so, well, earlier in that night, two police officers had been shot.

00:24:53.000 This is Louisville.

00:24:54.000 In Louisville.

00:24:56.000 And the police shooting happened, I want to say, a mile or so away from the protest area, which is where we were ultimately arrested.

00:25:05.000 And so I was near the hospital.

00:25:08.000 I had just recorded, the chief of police had done an update, you know, the two officers were alive and one was in surgery.

00:25:18.000 And then I headed back to the protest area.

00:25:21.000 And it was, you know, after curfew, but press are exempt from the curfew and exempt from unlawful assemblies because, you know, it's news and this is our job.

00:25:31.000 And there was a really long line of police officers and sort of a scattered protester crowd.

00:25:37.000 And the police were telling them to disperse.

00:25:39.000 And after, I want to say, 10-15 minutes, they did appear to be leaving.

00:25:44.000 They roamed down the block.

00:25:47.000 Some of them went left, some of them went right, and that's when the police just came from all sides.

00:25:55.000 And I just started recording and apparently one of the police officers said that we were running from the police.

00:26:01.000 And I have a video of me literally just standing walking around in a circle like police are corralling everyone in and then yeah the kettle and then we were told to get on the ground and I recorded that too so I got on the ground they were like put your Real quick, she got a watermark on the video as she was getting arrested.

00:26:21.000 I did.

00:26:21.000 So that's, yeah, that's somebody you want working for you.

00:26:24.000 I was told that we have to have watermarks on our videos.

00:26:28.000 So I, you know, in the video you can see I'm saying, you know, we're press, we're press.

00:26:33.000 And we, the first big issue was that we didn't have press credentials on us.

00:26:38.000 And so I knew that we were likely going to be taken in, but I also knew, or I assumed, because I had already told my boss and everyone who worked at The Caller I knew that they were calling already to get us out and so I I assumed we were not even going to be processed because it was very clear like Jeff, our editor-in-chief, you know provided ample evidence that we were who we said we were and

00:27:04.000 I ended up getting processed, getting charged with two misdemeanors, unlawful assembly and failure to disperse, and I was held for 16 hours.

00:27:12.000 And then you got arrested at the same time?

00:27:14.000 Yeah, so I got arrested with Shelby.

00:27:17.000 We ended up getting split.

00:27:20.000 My arresting officer was like, he actually believed that I was pressed, like I had a little press thing on me.

00:27:25.000 And he was like at least trying to he was at least trying to talk to his officers on what to do with me But he at the end of day, you know, it wasn't his call.

00:27:31.000 He then we get into the Until like we're about to get processed or like chained up with everyone He then like a sergeant or like a chief like a higher-up comes into that that section and says, you know, he yells my name Jorge Ventura and I said, you know, I raised my hand and he brought me over he says hey I'm on the phone with your editor-in-chief.

00:27:51.000 You are accredited media or even sir and your partner, you know, he says Shelby's name And he says, just hold on one sec.

00:27:57.000 So when he walks back, so for me, I was already doing like a celebration dance.

00:28:00.000 I'm like, woo!

00:28:01.000 I'm getting out of here.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, we're out.

00:28:02.000 I'm like, I was trying to find a shovel.

00:28:03.000 Like, we're out of here.

00:28:05.000 This is, this is awesome.

00:28:06.000 He then literally just comes back and was like, hey, we're going to charge you two misdemeanors.

00:28:10.000 You're going to stay a night in jail.

00:28:11.000 We give you, you know, several attempts to leave the Unlawful Assembly and you didn't.

00:28:15.000 And I was just like, what's, what's the, what are the misdemeanors?

00:28:17.000 You guys have the same ones?

00:28:18.000 No.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, mine was like local county ordinance and then, you know, failure to disperse.

00:28:23.000 Mine is unlawful assembly and failure to disperse.

00:28:26.000 Yeah.

00:28:27.000 So for a sec, I'm the worst criminal.

00:28:29.000 Yes. 0.98

00:28:30.000 So it was, it was, it sucked for me.

00:28:32.000 Cause I actually, I got the high of thinking we're going to escape.

00:28:35.000 He just Double down!

00:28:39.000 A third reporter, Drew Hernandez, was also arrested and I had been already, at this point, when I saw him come through, I had been chained.

00:28:48.000 They had us chained up literally like dogs.

00:28:51.000 It was...

00:28:52.000 Like around the neck?

00:28:54.000 No.

00:28:57.000 There was a chain link line with like multiple handcuffs and we were all just handcuffed next to each other on the same chain for like two and a half hours.

00:29:11.000 And Drew walked by and mouthed to me that someone was on the phone.

00:29:15.000 So he must have been right next to Jorge.

00:29:17.000 And so I assumed at that point that I was getting released.

00:29:20.000 So then and shortly after the female officer who had arrested me came and and uncuffed me and and two girls next to me started cursing at me asking me, you know, white privilege. 0.79

00:29:31.000 Why?

00:29:32.000 Who am I?

00:29:33.000 And they were white, but you know, who am I?

00:29:37.000 Why am I being why am I being taken away?

00:29:40.000 And I thought I was getting released.

00:29:42.000 So I was just like, I'm a reporter. 0.96

00:29:43.000 And they went Crazy and then I ended up being in the cell with one of them I can only imagine being chained to those people is like the scene from dumb and dumber Where I don't you have you seen this am I too old? 0.79

00:29:59.000 Where yeah, like the dudes in the middle of Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels and they're going It was a mixed bag. 0.95

00:30:08.000 There were some girls crying. 0.57

00:30:11.000 Some girls were just sitting there like, this is what's happening. 1.00

00:30:14.000 Some girls were very angry. 1.00

00:30:16.000 But every time one of the girls moved, we'd all move because we were all handcuffed together. 0.98

00:30:21.000 And the girl who was, they ran out of handcuffs. 1.00

00:30:23.000 They started handcuffing us.

00:30:26.000 Well, I was zip-tied and handcuffed with one handcuff and the girl behind me was using the other handcuff and she was like six inches taller than me. 1.00

00:30:35.000 So my like shoulder was like it was yeah.

00:30:38.000 Oh man.

00:30:39.000 So how many of the men were crying in your cell?

00:30:42.000 Well, no men were crying in mine.

00:30:44.000 Hold on, that's weird.

00:30:45.000 Were you crying?

00:30:48.000 But I was in there with a small cell, one bathroom with 40 men.

00:30:55.000 Wait, were you chained together?

00:30:56.000 Well, we were at first.

00:30:59.000 But before, when we were chained up, I still had my phone.

00:31:01.000 So I was taking pictures and using my phone.

00:31:04.000 And I would look at Chubb and she was just like...

00:31:08.000 Were you like in the same holding cell?

00:31:10.000 So when first before they processed everyone they arrested over a hundred people that night so they were like a mess so we were like there was one line of people chained up that were females another line were females another line of men And then once we got processed, we went into holding cells and that was separated.

00:31:28.000 My holding cell was like off in a corner so we couldn't even see the men.

00:31:31.000 I think you guys were across from another female holding cell.

00:31:36.000 Was anybody singing?

00:31:38.000 Oh yes, actually.

00:31:39.000 I knew it.

00:31:40.000 At one point.

00:31:41.000 At one point there was one nurse who was kind of nice to us and they named her Miss Jackson.

00:31:47.000 And they started doing the, I'm sorry Miss, I'm not going to sing for people.

00:31:50.000 You know, yeah.

00:31:51.000 And then at another time they started screaming BLM chants.

00:31:56.000 Like, you can't stop the revolution.

00:31:58.000 And then they decided to stop because they didn't want to be charged with inciting a riot inside a jail.

00:32:03.000 Oh wow.

00:32:04.000 I don't know if that's a thing, but they were like, we should probably, you know.

00:32:07.000 Well, I don't know if that's a thing, but I know singing is a thing.

00:32:09.000 Like, they always sing.

00:32:11.000 And I would just be like, look man, I've been arrested, I think, off the top of my head I can remember two instances, but I've never been processed.

00:32:20.000 So, I was in St.

00:32:22.000 Louis, I got arrested, and this is really, really annoying to me that there's like, it doesn't matter what political faction people are involved in, they don't understand what arrest means.

00:32:31.000 So, I literally had an officer say, you are under arrest.

00:32:35.000 Cuff me.

00:32:36.000 Sit me down.

00:32:37.000 And then, half an hour later, give press credentials, pull out my wallet, take a look, uncuff me and say, get out.

00:32:43.000 That's an arrest.

00:32:44.000 It's not detained.

00:32:45.000 Detained, there's different legal distinctions there.

00:32:49.000 And then I was in D.C.

00:32:51.000 when they surrounded this whole group of like 250 people.

00:32:56.000 And I was standing on the sidewalk and there was like these stair set.

00:32:59.000 It's like two or three stairs.

00:33:01.000 This was the J20 rioting in Washington DC for Trump's inauguration.

00:33:06.000 And all of these people just like run full speed past the cops.

00:33:09.000 They're like knocking cops down.

00:33:11.000 Cops are spraying everybody.

00:33:12.000 And I just like back off.

00:33:13.000 And that was the mistake.

00:33:15.000 The cops surround everybody in this little space that I was in.

00:33:18.000 And so the first thing I did was I went to the far edge of where the police, like, were lined up.

00:33:24.000 So I was, like, literally standing next to the cop and staying away from the people screaming.

00:33:28.000 And then I just asked one guy for a supervisor, and they, like, wouldn't really give me any attention because they're, like, standing with their batons out.

00:33:34.000 And then someone, like, finally, one of the cops nods, and then, like, you know, I guess whispers somebody, The lieutenant comes over, and I was like, I'm holding my press card, I just wanted to let you know I'm press.

00:33:42.000 And he goes, don't care, everybody here, you're under arrest, you are not free to go, and that's just what's happening.

00:33:46.000 And I was like, dude, dude, I know, I know.

00:33:48.000 Just letting you know, that's all I'm saying.

00:33:50.000 And so then finally, he comes back over, and there was like a news crew, it was like an NBC crew, and they had a camera.

00:33:56.000 And he looked at him and he fingered, you know, come over here.

00:33:59.000 And then the cops move out of the way.

00:34:02.000 And then I immediately like pop up behind him and I hold up my card and the guy looks at me and he fans me over.

00:34:06.000 And then he was like, show me your press cards.

00:34:08.000 And then I did.

00:34:09.000 And they pulled out a small handful of the journalists.

00:34:12.000 A couple of the journalists that were in there were screaming at the top of their lungs at the cops, you mother effer, I'm effing press, what gives you the right? 0.93

00:34:21.000 They got arrested.

00:34:22.000 I was sitting there with my hands up, just chilling, and I was like, the cop that was next to me was agitated and looking, and whenever I was doing something, I'd let him know, I'm just gonna go in my bag, grab my cell phone, just want you to know, he nods.

00:34:35.000 Because he doesn't know what these people are doing, so I'm trying to be very careful of that.

00:34:39.000 But so I've never been, I say this because I've never been actually brought down to the station with these people, and I'm eternally grateful, because I'll tell you what.

00:34:46.000 I've been arrested for skateboarding before, and I got charged.

00:34:49.000 They wanted to get me on a felony, which is like just ridiculous over the top.

00:34:53.000 He was riding his skateboarding down in Chicago, so we're gonna throw the book at him.

00:34:57.000 Ultimately, the judge like got really angry, because they ended up giving me a misdemeanor.

00:35:01.000 But the judge got super angry when he found out.

00:35:03.000 So I'm sitting, when I got arrested, I got put in this concrete block.

00:35:07.000 The lights are on full blast.

00:35:08.000 There's like no water.

00:35:09.000 It's just you go in a room and there's a concrete block to sit on.

00:35:12.000 And the only thing I could hear was some guy wailing who was like probably mentally unwell.

00:35:16.000 I can deal with all that.

00:35:17.000 I can absolutely.

00:35:18.000 I can sit down there.

00:35:19.000 I can fold my legs and I can, you know, do some Zen meditation or whatever and just zone out and be like, I can sit through this.

00:35:24.000 I can endure.

00:35:26.000 But I tell you what, man, if you put a couple hundred like Antifa leftists singing Kumbaya, I'd probably bash my skull against the wall and that'd be the end.

00:35:33.000 I will say I think that I did much better with these people in with me.

00:35:40.000 Granted they didn't know where I worked because I was genuinely afraid of saying where I worked so they asked me and I said I was a freelancer and then they asked me who I was freelancing for and I said I'm just freelancing for Yeah, you just say, well, we, we, we just, we just sell it afterwards.

00:35:59.000 So it could be anybody.

00:36:00.000 And because it is a gent, like we have been targeted and that's like a genuine concern. 1.00

00:36:05.000 And I think that was a really big concern that the caller expressed to the police department and it didn't matter.

00:36:12.000 So just, just for everybody who's listening, Daily Caller, that's Tucker Carlson's outlet, right?

00:36:16.000 Yeah.

00:36:17.000 Is he still involved or he like stepped down?

00:36:19.000 No, he sold his shares to Neil Patel, so.

00:36:22.000 Ah, interesting.

00:36:23.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 But it's still associated.

00:36:25.000 Yes.

00:36:25.000 You know, he founded it, I guess.

00:36:26.000 Is that what it is?

00:36:26.000 Yeah.

00:36:27.000 Neil Patel is Tucker's college roommate.

00:36:30.000 Oh, that's weird.

00:36:30.000 They founded it together in 2010.

00:36:32.000 OK, that's not weird.

00:36:34.000 I was like selling your company to your college roommate.

00:36:36.000 It's like an interesting.

00:36:36.000 Oh, wait, they started together because they're friends that I get.

00:36:38.000 Yeah.

00:36:39.000 But I will say, actually, I think that Louisville was more BLM focused than Antifa focused.

00:36:48.000 That was one of the cities, you know, compared to Portland, I would say is more Antifa focused.

00:36:53.000 So was the message was a lot clearer in Louisville than in some other cities where I feel like they're just destroying things for no reason.

00:37:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:03.000 Yeah.

00:37:04.000 And there wasn't as much destruction in Louisville as I thought.

00:37:08.000 And actually, my cellmates agreed with me.

00:37:10.000 They were like, you know, we thought the city was going to burn.

00:37:14.000 And there were things broken into.

00:37:17.000 But it wasn't like Minneapolis.

00:37:18.000 It wasn't Kenosha or Minneapolis.

00:37:22.000 But I will say that some of the people that were in there definitely deserved to be in there.

00:37:28.000 I think one of them broke a police officer's hand.

00:37:31.000 Whoa, brutal.

00:37:32.000 Well, she said she didn't, but I don't know.

00:37:35.000 But some of them, you know, seemed like they really were against, you know, violent protests.

00:37:42.000 They were, you know, more for peaceful stuff.

00:37:46.000 And they did have, you know, legitimate stories and messages to share.

00:37:50.000 So that was interesting because it was it sort of opened up my eyes to a different side of the protests that you don't see as much and they don't really give you the ability to see because they don't like media and they don't like press.

00:38:05.000 And it also opened my eyes to just how bad jail is.

00:38:11.000 Would not recommend.

00:38:14.000 Like I didn't realize you know if You don't always get water when you want water.

00:38:18.000 The toilet was right by the window where actual inmates could watch us.

00:38:23.000 And luckily we devised a plan.

00:38:24.000 We had a blanket and anytime someone would need to pee, multiple people would come up.

00:38:30.000 That's a very common thing for the people when protesters get arrested.

00:38:34.000 They have these techniques.

00:38:35.000 Yeah.

00:38:35.000 So if you're lucky enough to be a journalist getting arrested with one of the organizers, they know exactly how to work everything.

00:38:42.000 We had one or two organizers in our cell with us and it was eye-opening.

00:38:47.000 I mean horrible and I almost lost my mind, I'm serious.

00:38:51.000 Not knowing the time for 16 hours, it messes with you.

00:38:55.000 And the fact that I knew that they knew that I was pressed and I was still not being released,

00:39:00.000 I thought was a real failure in the justice system.

00:39:04.000 Whoever it was that was allowed to release us.

00:39:07.000 I was really disappointed.

00:39:08.000 Do you think you're stronger now having experienced it?

00:39:11.000 Yes, I think.

00:39:12.000 And I think I have different.

00:39:17.000 It's again opened up a whole different sort of aspects of these protests of the justice

00:39:24.000 system that I have never seen before.

00:39:28.000 Do you guys consider yourselves to be conservatives?

00:39:31.000 I would say I'm more, I mean, I'm trying to just provide like unbiased news.

00:39:37.000 Like I've never voted before.

00:39:38.000 I still haven't voted.

00:39:39.000 Like I'm not registered.

00:39:39.000 Not even political.

00:39:40.000 Yeah, I'm not really, you know, political.

00:39:43.000 What would you say Shelby?

00:39:44.000 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I think that's because people just assume that we're uber conservative because of, you know, who we're associated with.

00:39:53.000 I would say none of us are really.

00:39:54.000 I mean, I know Richie's politics.

00:39:55.000 Richie voted for, you can go ahead and say it.

00:39:58.000 He's gonna say it.

00:39:59.000 Well, yeah, I did.

00:40:00.000 I voted for Barack Obama.

00:40:03.000 I voted for Obama the first time.

00:40:04.000 You voted for him the second time?

00:40:05.000 I did.

00:40:06.000 Oh, wow.

00:40:08.000 I didn't regret the first time, but I was 18 years old.

00:40:12.000 I'd just moved to Washington, D.C.

00:40:14.000 But the second time, yeah, I do.

00:40:15.000 I definitely regret it.

00:40:16.000 But I think I'm more of an anti-establishmentarian.

00:40:20.000 I saw the Bush years, I saw the Clinton years growing up, and I really saw a problem with both sides of the establishment.

00:40:26.000 Barack Obama really did run on a platform of hope and change.

00:40:31.000 It's just that once he got into office, clearly he was kind of sucked into that establishment.

00:40:35.000 So, I mean, I would consider myself an anti-establishmentarian.

00:40:40.000 Yeah, I would say, I mean, I before I started this, I started as a journalist in 2019.

00:40:47.000 And I before that, I played professional tennis for four years.

00:40:51.000 And before that, I played D1 at University of Iowa.

00:40:55.000 So I was sports.

00:40:57.000 And I was hardly even in America.

00:40:59.000 So I had no idea what was going on in American politics.

00:41:04.000 So I didn't grow up being actually when I first got my job, my my aunt, we call her Girl Kelly.

00:41:10.000 She'll be happy.

00:41:11.000 Gave her a shout out. 0.55

00:41:12.000 But she was shocked that I was going into politics.

00:41:17.000 But I think that has allowed me to really see both sides.

00:41:21.000 I genuinely do feel like I can understand both sides of the spectrum, and therefore I do try really hard in my reporting.

00:41:31.000 If it's peaceful, it's peaceful.

00:41:32.000 Some of these people have legitimate I think a lot of what we hear is from the protesters and the unresters.

00:41:41.000 There are real legitimate problems that need to be solved.

00:41:43.000 The problem is, if someone comes to me and says, Black Lives Matter, I'll be like, absolutely.

00:41:49.000 I don't know, where do we go from there?

00:41:51.000 What do you want to do?

00:41:52.000 If you tell me that somebody got shot and they shouldn't have, let's talk about it because cops should not be executing people if it is a murder.

00:41:59.000 If it's the instance where it's like, a fight breaks out and someone's struggling with cops, like, I don't know what we're supposed to do, you know what I mean?

00:42:04.000 Like, with Jacob Blake, for instance?

00:42:06.000 Like, he was fighting with cops, he had a knife, and he was apparently, you know, stealing the woman's car on a felony warrant, and she was yelling, according to the lawyer, He's got my kids, he's got my keys, and so what's a cop supposed to- how's a cop supposed to respond to this guy who's wanted on a felony warrant doing these things?

00:42:22.000 It's a challenge.

00:42:23.000 The problem I see is, I got no problem sitting down with a Trump-supporting conservative who's like, you know, yelling, blue lives matter, and we gotta respect the cops. 0.81

00:42:30.000 I'm gonna be like, I absolutely agree.

00:42:33.000 For a society to function, cops gotta be able to make arrests, even if sometimes they make mistakes.

00:42:37.000 It can be really annoying, but you deal with the process after the fact, and you don't fight with them.

00:42:43.000 But then the other side is like, burn it all down, destroy, you know, abolish police, defund police.

00:42:48.000 And it's like, it's so far removed from a reasonable approach to how we deal with it.

00:42:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:54.000 Yeah, it's just been a crazy situation, I think, for, you know, me and Shelby or anyone doing this work.

00:43:00.000 Like, for me, like, I was in sports journalism before I got into the whole political thing.

00:43:05.000 So wait, you're both sports?

00:43:07.000 Yeah.

00:43:08.000 She played in the game.

00:43:09.000 I was more of the stylized guy.

00:43:10.000 But I didn't even know what a Republican or Democrat was until 2018.

00:43:13.000 Until I fully switched.

00:43:15.000 Now that I started reporting on a lot of these protests and marches.

00:43:19.000 Unrest.

00:43:20.000 The unrestors.

00:43:20.000 I'll have people from my hometown message me and be like, Why are you portraying Black Lives Matter

00:43:27.000 to the movement like this?

00:43:28.000 And I literally have to be like, I didn't have no idea it was like this.

00:43:32.000 I was on the ground.

00:43:33.000 I didn't know they were attacking press and attacking business owners and doing this

00:43:37.000 till I was on the ground.

00:43:39.000 There's no narrative here.

00:43:41.000 We just, literally we just hit record.

00:43:43.000 We upload it, then everyone else gets to form their own opinion on the video.

00:43:47.000 I think that's a strength that we really have at The Daily Call that you can't really find

00:43:50.000 in other places.

00:43:51.000 I do want to say just real quick though, I think that's, what you touched on is really important.

00:43:56.000 That's why we all work at the collar, which is people don't realize they just assume, oh, you work at the Daily Caller.

00:44:01.000 You're like a conservative and you know, you're Tucker Carlson, basically.

00:44:05.000 And that's really not the case.

00:44:05.000 There's there's such a multitude of political ideologies.

00:44:09.000 of people who work at the Daily Caller.

00:44:10.000 And the newsroom is really just like a place where everybody hashes that out.

00:44:14.000 Any story that comes up in the news that's complicated or difficult, we're just talking about it with uncensored, straight up.

00:44:20.000 And when I worked at NBC News, that was the opposite.

00:44:23.000 It was like a funeral home there.

00:44:25.000 And Shelby and I were talking about this because we fight all the time when we're on the road.

00:44:28.000 Little fights, though.

00:44:29.000 Little fights.

00:44:30.000 But at NBC, once a year, the people who've been working together for 30 years and they've kept it all bottled up for 30 years.

00:44:37.000 It pops off and it's just a meltdown.

00:44:41.000 I think I scared some of the rioters in Kenosha.

00:44:44.000 I started screaming at Richie in public at like midnight.

00:44:49.000 Over what?

00:44:51.000 He wanted me to follow him around like a little puppy dog because he was nervous because I'm a woman.

00:44:57.000 I got myself in trouble actually.

00:44:58.000 And then he got himself, yeah.

00:45:01.000 So, so, uh, when you mentioned you wouldn't recommend it, I, I agree.

00:45:07.000 Don't go to jail, but there is something to like, we're too comfortable, you know, like young, young people in this country don't understand how bad things could be.

00:45:18.000 And that includes many of these protesters who are like, burn it all down, defund this, abolish this.

00:45:23.000 And I don't mean all of them.

00:45:25.000 Cause I know like there are regular people who just are angry about police brutality and stuff, though.

00:45:29.000 I think they're being manipulated for sure.

00:45:32.000 These people have never experienced real hardship.

00:45:34.000 That's why it's funny to me when like, you mentioned that some of the women are crying and some of them are just like, well, this is what's happening. 0.77

00:45:39.000 Yeah.

00:45:40.000 I'd be willing to bet the women who are like, this is what's happening, are the people who have actually experienced something hard and they've been toughened up and they understand, you're going to be okay.

00:45:49.000 You don't need to worry about this stuff.

00:45:51.000 So like, I remember when, you know, every time I've been arrested more than once, I just like, all right, you know, I'm not gonna die in a jail cell.

00:46:00.000 It's gonna be a day or something.

00:46:02.000 And then nothing ends up happening.

00:46:05.000 I got some bunk arrests.

00:46:06.000 Skateboarding.

00:46:07.000 They don't like skateboarders.

00:46:09.000 But there are many circumstances I've been in where you can clearly tell people who are wads of cookie dough, who are marshmallows, and the people who have actually experienced real hardship.

00:46:20.000 So it's really great.

00:46:23.000 Have you guys done any hostile environment training?

00:46:25.000 No.

00:46:25.000 This is fun stuff.

00:46:26.000 Well, unless you count, like, growing up with my family.

00:46:29.000 Where did you grow up?

00:46:30.000 In New York.

00:46:31.000 Ah, probably not.

00:46:31.000 I'm one of five.

00:46:32.000 Yeah, I guess Salvadorian parents.

00:46:33.000 My mom is a prosecutor, so you can imagine.

00:46:36.000 She used to tell us democracy stops at the front door. 0.90

00:46:39.000 Oh, man.

00:46:40.000 Wow.

00:46:40.000 That's awesome.

00:46:41.000 No joke.

00:46:43.000 So I had been covering civil unrest, riots.

00:46:47.000 When I say civil unrest, I mean like borderline revolution.

00:46:49.000 I mean that in a literal sense, not just like, we're not going to call protestors protestors.

00:46:52.000 So I've covered protests, unrest, like actual revolution, and rioting.

00:46:57.000 And so when I started working for the ABC News company, they were like, everybody's got to have hostile environment training.

00:47:03.000 And I was like, I should be giving the training, because I've been doing this, you know, for X many years, and most of these people, like, even the people who are doing the training don't have the most up-to-date understanding of the modern technology and what's going on.

00:47:15.000 And, you know, I got a whisper, a wink-wink, it's the insurance company, dude, like...

00:47:21.000 Insurance company wants all the reporters to have special training, but I tell you what man when we were doing the training they paired me up with a Former marine fresh out of the Marines and we they could not get us So like the way these trainings work is like they have fake landmines, you know So they're like they put these things in the ground that are hidden and when you step on it It sprays, you know ink or something and they're like, oh you got landmine and there are a bunch of scenarios where they try and get you and And it was a lot of fun.

00:47:47.000 It's really fun.

00:47:48.000 So, like, I got to participate as a local villager.

00:47:52.000 And they do this thing where they have the news crew come in, and then that's all they do.

00:47:57.000 And they tell us, you know, because, like, it's your turn to play the villagers.

00:48:00.000 I pickpocketed people.

00:48:01.000 It was amazing.

00:48:02.000 I was, like, picking their stuff, and they were panicking.

00:48:04.000 But when I was there with the Marine, it was really amazing because we actually escaped their final terrorist scenario.

00:48:11.000 So they did the scenario where your assignment now from the editor is to interview the leader of a terrorist organization.

00:48:18.000 And we're gonna go, everything's been arranged, your security is with you.

00:48:22.000 And it was really cool.

00:48:23.000 The SUV pulls up, we hear gunshots, and then we see people on the ground.

00:48:28.000 Me and the Marine guy were gone.

00:48:30.000 We were out of there.

00:48:31.000 And then we hear from a distance, where'd you go?

00:48:34.000 And we're laughing, and I'm like...

00:48:35.000 This guy gets it.

00:48:38.000 But it was so bunk because the trainer guy goes, you guys are dead.

00:48:41.000 And we started laughing and they're like, come back.

00:48:43.000 And we came back and they were like, you got, the terrorists killed you.

00:48:48.000 And I was like, dude, we immediately both went for dead ground and we immediately serpentine through trees.

00:48:53.000 We were gone and we know it because this guy, this guy knows, the Marine dude knows better than I do.

00:48:57.000 But I was like, we were laughing in the woods, hearing them in the distance, upset that we beat their training.

00:49:03.000 That's amazing.

00:49:04.000 So anyway, I bring that up just because when you're on the ground, and you guys probably know this too, you can see, when you see journalists or whatever, which one of them has actually got experience, and which ones are the local desk reporter who was asked to go out and film this stuff.

00:49:19.000 Because I'll tell you what, man, when I was in Ferguson, there's a couple things I love.

00:49:23.000 Two instances in Ferguson where gunshots are ringing out, And I'm on the deck, and then I look up and I see one of these local reporters going, are those fireworks?

00:49:33.000 And then one of my favorite all-time blunders is from CNN, when they were in Ferguson and the gunshots go off, and it's this woman, and she goes, what, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, and she's just like waving her arms, and like, I'm like, stop standing there waving your arms, they're shooting bullets, get on the ground, and then she just like hobbles over like behind a building, and I'm like, The first shots that went off when I was in Ferguson, I was standing by one of the shops in the parking lot, and we heard a shot, and then I heard another shot, and I immediately just dove.

00:50:09.000 Like, belly flop.

00:50:12.000 I put my hands down, slid, and I heard the whip crack over my head. 0.98

00:50:14.000 The bullet hit the building.

00:50:16.000 So being on the ground and seeing these people who are sent out by local news, they have no experience, no idea what to do.

00:50:23.000 I'm not surprised, they're like, well we got here at 7.50, we recorded our five minute hit and let's go home!

00:50:29.000 Good, you shouldn't be there.

00:50:31.000 Yeah.

00:50:31.000 But then it is really weird that you see like, like especially with you guys in Kenosha, because all the footage out of Kenosha, you don't see any reporters anywhere.

00:50:38.000 It's just literally people running around and all this chaos, right?

00:50:42.000 So let's, you guys want to talk about what went down in Kenosha and your experience with that stuff?

00:50:46.000 Yeah.

00:50:47.000 Where do we begin?

00:50:49.000 This is a crazy story.

00:50:50.000 Well, one thing I wanted to kind of mention too, Tim, is not also, like, we know when we're in Kenosha, we're like, obviously, we're, you know, running around covering all the crazy stuff, but also taking the time the next morning and, like, actually speaking to the business owners who were, like, affected.

00:51:04.000 Right, right, right.

00:51:05.000 Even, because, like, when I was going down, I think I woke up at, like, 7.30, hit the streets by, like, 8, and was interviewing the business owners.

00:51:11.000 I didn't even see local news like talking to these folks and a lot of these folks this is like their whole livelihood is destroyed you know and I think that's a another big mistake is that news is not making is like taking the time to tell the stories of the people who were like affected.

00:51:23.000 It's like almost not news.

00:51:24.000 Yeah it's it's been I mean insane like I think when uh the night of the I mean show you guys were actually right there I think you guys should should tell your side of the of your Kenosha story because you guys were in the midst of it.

00:51:36.000 The shooting happened the second night the first night was when everything burned down so So the first night, uh, these people burned down, I mean, entire streets.

00:51:48.000 Wow.

00:51:49.000 Like, to the ground.

00:51:50.000 Um, it was the, probably the worst destruction I've seen covering riots.

00:51:55.000 Yeah, because we didn't see anything like that because they basically, you know, attacked that courthouse and then when they got back, you know, once, once they got back there from the courthouse, They just ran rapid on Kenosha.

00:52:05.000 I've never seen anything like that.

00:52:06.000 I remember just walking and just seeing like 10 people attacking the car dealership, setting cars on fire, going into stores.

00:52:15.000 It was like a free for all.

00:52:16.000 It wasn't a police presence.

00:52:17.000 You didn't even know where to turn.

00:52:19.000 If you turned to the left, you had footage.

00:52:21.000 If you turned to the right, there was something going on.

00:52:23.000 Behind you, there was something.

00:52:25.000 I mean, it was crazy.

00:52:28.000 I think that's a good place to start the story at night of though because what happened was we all got pushed out from outside the courthouse around the fence and all the protesters were pushed out to the park and then a block beyond which is where that car dealership was burned out that everybody saw on the first and second night.

00:52:45.000 Massive car fires, but across the street from there Shelby and I encountered Some individuals who were working for that business who had power washers and they're trying to put out the car fires That was on the second night.

00:52:56.000 The shooting happened on the third night.

00:52:58.000 So I went in to get Wi-Fi at the Hotel and I saw on Twitter that there were armed

00:53:02.000 individuals and You guys were still out there and I saw that

00:53:07.000 Those videos and those photos of the armed individuals in front of the same business that we had just seen the guy

00:53:12.000 with the power washer The previous night because the fire department was nowhere

00:53:17.000 to be seen and so that's why I went out Thinking well, there's a story right there

00:53:22.000 You know Why are these armed individuals here and that was actually

00:53:25.000 I arrived there 15 minutes before the shooting and that's when I interviewed Kyle

00:53:30.000 Rittenhouse so it was just that short a period what happened? Well, basically I was just walking

00:53:35.000 walking.

00:53:36.000 Towards that business and I saw at least three armed individuals on the ground and then like three up top as well and it was really dark up on the top of the building, which is a little bit intimidating when you know these guys are armed and you can't even really make out what they're holding or what they're doing.

00:53:51.000 But I just said very loudly, are any of you guys willing to do an interview?

00:53:55.000 Because again, we're trying to interview the full story here.

00:53:58.000 So not only the protesters, not only the rioters, the unrestors, the cops, but also the people who are there, whatever, to defend the small business or whatever they were doing.

00:54:06.000 I just wanted to find out.

00:54:08.000 And Kyle volunteered himself.

00:54:10.000 And basically interviewed him for three minutes.

00:54:14.000 And then he mentioned that he was a trained medic.

00:54:17.000 He mentioned that he was there to protect the small business that he was standing in front of.

00:54:21.000 And then he said, with one other armed individual, he said, we're going to go out and see if any of the protesters who have just been cleared out need medical attention.

00:54:26.000 Do you want to come with us?

00:54:28.000 And this is all on the Internet.

00:54:29.000 You can see it all on the video that I recorded.

00:54:31.000 So wait, he said, he told you he was going to go provide medical assistance to protesters and he asked you to come with him?

00:54:38.000 Correct.

00:54:38.000 And that's when we started walking in the direction of where the shooting eventually took place.

00:54:42.000 And actually, I was trying to find Shelby at the time as well.

00:54:45.000 She was just about a block away.

00:54:48.000 Did I swear?

00:54:49.000 No.

00:54:49.000 But when you hang up the phone.

00:54:51.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:54:51.000 Don't curse, because I'm getting to that part of the story.

00:54:53.000 Good point, good point.

00:54:54.000 You can curse.

00:54:55.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:54:56.000 There's no hard rules.

00:54:57.000 So I was walking with them, and as we were walking he's shouting, medical!

00:55:01.000 Anyone need medical?

00:55:03.000 And that was drawing a lot of attention just in general.

00:55:06.000 young kid with an AR-15 shouting at a riot.

00:55:09.000 That doesn't sound smart, dude.

00:55:11.000 And in hindsight, it wasn't very smart to walk along with him.

00:55:14.000 But, you know, I basically was I was wondering what these people, why they were mad at him, why they were yelling at him as he was asking if anybody needed medical.

00:55:23.000 And actually four individuals shouted something like, we remember you from earlier.

00:55:27.000 And that's actually when I parted ways with him after the interview, because I wanted to get their story.

00:55:32.000 I wanted to hear why they were mad at Kyle.

00:55:35.000 And so I walked over to those individuals, and you can see in the video it's this guy with bright yellow pants.

00:55:40.000 And they were not happy about me recording, so I turned my phone off.

00:55:44.000 I went with my go-to of pulling out a white claw to diffuse the situation and offering it up.

00:55:49.000 And I talked with them for a couple of minutes and just asked them why they were mad.

00:55:53.000 They mentioned a confrontation with him when they were jumping on some cars earlier.

00:55:57.000 But clearly they recognized him from earlier, and they were very mad about it.

00:56:01.000 And the only thing that stuck out to me was that Kyle, you know, you can see on the video actually as I'm walking behind him, he kind of looks at them, smiles and walks away.

00:56:08.000 And I don't know if we've been to enough of these for me to know, for us to know that that stuff can descend into chaos pretty quickly.

00:56:14.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 And that's actually after I finished speaking with them is when I saw Kyle running with fire extinguisher in one hand and the gun in the other.

00:56:22.000 And so.

00:56:24.000 I saw him running.

00:56:26.000 I wanted to know, why is he running?

00:56:28.000 What's he running towards?

00:56:28.000 With a fire extinguisher.

00:56:29.000 With a fire extinguisher.

00:56:30.000 What's going on here?

00:56:31.000 So actually, that's when I got on the phone with Shelby.

00:56:33.000 I started jogging after him and that's the kind of thing where you're like, okay, some kind of news, something is about to go down.

00:56:40.000 Right.

00:56:41.000 I said, Shelby, where are you?

00:56:42.000 And we were talking, we were trying to triangulate where we were in relation to each other.

00:56:46.000 And that's right as I caught up to Rittenhouse, I was yards back from where he had, he was stopped in the road.

00:56:54.000 And that's when some yelling started.

00:56:55.000 And I told Shelby, oh, swear word, I gotta go.

00:57:00.000 And that's immediately when Rosenbaum started to pursue Rittenhouse.

00:57:04.000 And you can see on the video what happened from there.

00:57:06.000 But basically Rittenhouse sees him advancing and like does a juke and runs into the direction of the car lot where the shooting eventually took place. 0.98

00:57:13.000 And me being a dumb idiot, who lectured Shelby about not getting into unsafe situations, ran after Rosenbaum, who was running after Rittenhouse. 0.97

00:57:23.000 And that's when there was a pop that went off. 1.00

00:57:26.000 That was a gunshot.

00:57:28.000 At the time, there were so many fireworks and flashbangs going off that it wasn't clear to me what it was at the time, but what was clear is that the moment that went off, Kyle stops and turns around.

00:57:39.000 And we were both trailing him and at that point he had his gun pointed 45 degrees at the ground and Rosenbaum was advancing at him still and there wasn't much distance so it was only a matter of a second or two from when he stopped to when Rosenbaum was on top of him and that's when basically Rosenbaum lunged for the front portion of Rittenhouse's gun.

00:58:00.000 He shouted something that I also can't say without swearing but you can see on the video what he said right before he lunged and Did he make physical contact with Rittenhouse's gun?

00:58:11.000 They were extremely, extremely close, but he didn't, and Rittenhouse actually dodged with the rifle around his lunge.

00:58:17.000 Wow.

00:58:18.000 And I only know that because my focus, the moment that he turned around, went onto the barrel of his gun.

00:58:24.000 Because I realized that I was now in the crossfire of whatever was about to go down, and actually when he swung the rifle to his left, my right, My first instinct was to go to my left, but I realized that's where Rosenbaum was, and that his rifle was going to return to there.

00:58:39.000 So I actually stepped in the direction where he swung it.

00:58:42.000 And that's, you know, basically right as he swung it back is when Rosenbaum was falling forward.

00:58:48.000 He fired what I thought were three or four shots.

00:58:50.000 It was really rapid.

00:58:52.000 But it looks like on the video it was four.

00:58:54.000 And that's when Rosenbaum collapsed to the ground.

00:58:56.000 And you can actually hear more pops after that.

00:58:59.000 And then you pulled your shirt off.

00:59:01.000 Well, the crazy part is is that I didn't realize the night of is that after Rittenhouse shoots, it looked to me like he ran away.

00:59:09.000 And then I ran because there's other pops where Rosenbaum was was also behind a car and the shooting was going off.

00:59:14.000 The pops are coming from this side.

00:59:16.000 So I got behind the car.

00:59:17.000 I said, like, I'm going to flip you over really slowly.

00:59:20.000 He was basically nonresponsive, but breathing, not really breathing, breathing.

00:59:24.000 I mean, it's like a video that I could hear it in the video.

00:59:27.000 Exactly.

00:59:28.000 And that's actually I didn't realize until I saw the footage afterwards, Rittenhouse runs around and actually shows up at my side.

00:59:36.000 And I just saw a pair of legs next to me as I'm crouching over the body.

00:59:39.000 And I just said, what are you doing?

00:59:40.000 Call 911.

00:59:42.000 Not realizing that it was the Rittenhouse.

00:59:44.000 And I just saw his hand reaching to his phone and that's Shelby actually. 0.96

00:59:47.000 And right after that, people started to arrive.

00:59:50.000 Rittenhouse runs right past Shelby.

00:59:52.000 And that's when, and you can see on the video, it was very chaotic, but basically, you know,

00:59:57.000 we were trying to find where the holes were, how we could apply pressure to the wounds.

01:00:00.000 My dad was an ER doc.

01:00:02.000 And so, you know, I just, I don't think, I think he'd probably had some critiques for how I handled it medically.

01:00:08.000 But once somebody said there's a hospital across the street, it was clear to me that we weren't doing anything

01:00:13.000 beneficial there.

01:00:13.000 And this guy had life-threatening wounds.

01:00:15.000 So it was literally right across the street, and from the moment the shooting happened to the moment that we got to the hospital, because I've looked on my phone from the calls that I made when I got to the hospital, that was about six minutes.

01:00:26.000 So we got up there very quickly.

01:00:28.000 You loaded him into your car?

01:00:30.000 So I actually carried him across the street with a couple of other individuals, and you can see on the video how chaotic it is.

01:00:36.000 Actually, as I'm loading him into the... As we were running across, this guy who worked at the hospital said, load him into the SUV.

01:00:40.000 It'll be quicker if we do it that way.

01:00:42.000 Pops the tailgate, and Shelby was right there as well. 1.00

01:00:44.000 You can see her in the video.

01:00:46.000 She's wearing my backpack.

01:00:47.000 And...

01:00:49.000 That's actually, as we're loading him in, somebody was, I felt like something hit me, hitting me in the side of the head.

01:00:54.000 I thought I was getting bumped.

01:00:54.000 And then somebody connected with the side of my face.

01:00:57.000 Someone punched you.

01:00:57.000 Someone punched me very hard.

01:00:59.000 And it was only once he hit the side of my face that I realized it was a punch.

01:01:03.000 And I turned and gave like, as I'm getting into the back of the car, like a little brother kind of kick, you know, me on the middle of three boys.

01:01:09.000 So I'm pretty good at that.

01:01:11.000 And that's when the medic or the hospital employee pulled away.

01:01:18.000 And at that point, Rosenbaum was basically barely breathing and he had like a very, very weak pulse.

01:01:22.000 And it was pretty clear that was... Why did you get punched?

01:01:25.000 Well, you can see in the video right after the shooting, somebody says, did you... Did you shoot him?

01:01:31.000 Yeah.

01:01:31.000 And I say, what?

01:01:32.000 Me?

01:01:33.000 F word.

01:01:34.000 No.

01:01:35.000 And so I think that just indicates to me that people were looking for who did it.

01:01:39.000 They were angry.

01:01:40.000 It was... People were shouting.

01:01:42.000 And I think whoever punched me thought that somehow, I don't know, that I was involved or whatever.

01:01:47.000 Have you guys seen the video that Rittenhouse's lawyer put out, breaking down the whole night?

01:01:52.000 Yeah.

01:01:52.000 So have you guys seen it?

01:01:53.000 Yeah.

01:01:54.000 So they identified the guy who fired first, right?

01:01:58.000 So what triggered Kyle to turn around?

01:02:01.000 They say this is the guy, he's holding the gun, and at first, people were reporting New York Times that he fired into the air.

01:02:08.000 But when you actually watch the video slowed down, it doesn't look like he fired in the air, it looks like he was shooting at...

01:02:13.000 Kyle or presumably Kyle, but that there were, I think, three more shots not from Kyle after he shot Rosenbaum, and it was reported that one of the hits to Rosenbaum went in his back.

01:02:24.000 Yeah.

01:02:25.000 Now, so my question is, you're there.

01:02:28.000 Was this because Rosenbaum was spun around somehow?

01:02:32.000 Or do you think maybe he got shot by somebody else?

01:02:36.000 Based on what I saw, Rosenbaum was falling forward as he lunged, and I do remember the sensation of something going past my legs, and it's not clear now, looking afterwards, when exactly that took place, because all the shots were such rapid succession, but with respect to where Rosenbaum was hit, As he was falling forwards, it would make sense that actually he could have been hit there by Rittenhouse.

01:03:03.000 Because he was falling forwards and then his head goes down.

01:03:05.000 And for me, it was like one of those, it's like that in the movie Snatch, like you always think, you know, like when you're in a dangerous situation, you might die, you'll do something heroic.

01:03:15.000 I kind of just didn't know that.

01:03:17.000 But I mean, I had my eyes fixed on the barrel.

01:03:21.000 He fired so quickly that it was very difficult for me to determine

01:03:24.000 Where that rifle actually connected with his body because they were so close. They almost like he fell like

01:03:30.000 Almost into him. Yeah, they were that close. So it was hard for me to tell

01:03:35.000 specifically what shot went where but the fact that he was falling forward like that and

01:03:40.000 Really?

01:03:40.000 Interesting.

01:03:40.000 Rittenhouse was shooting as he was falling down.

01:03:43.000 Really?

01:03:44.000 Yeah.

01:03:45.000 I mean, you can see in the video, he fires that first shot, second shot.

01:03:48.000 And I think just because of the momentum that Rosenbaum had, that the moment that he got

01:03:52.000 hit, that just that momentum continued to carry him forward.

01:03:55.000 And you can see he landed right on his face.

01:03:57.000 And so that's consistent with the fact that he lunged for the front portion of the run.

01:04:02.000 So, I'll ask more about the other guys in Kenosha, but you guys were there.

01:04:07.000 And I don't know to what extent you witnessed everything beforehand, but would you consider

01:04:10.000 Consider what Kyle did to be self-defense.

01:04:14.000 I definitely can't comment on that, because my role in this situation is, I'm a witness, and... I see.

01:04:22.000 All I can say is what I saw, and I saw Rosenbaum reach for the front portion of that gun, and I saw Rittenhouse dodge it and shoot.

01:04:33.000 Now, I'm not going to comment on the laws in Wisconsin, what constitutes self-defense, I'm not a lawyer, I'm a video director, but I saw what I saw.

01:04:45.000 from very close range and like I said given how focused I was on where the rifle was going

01:04:51.000 it was that was very very clear. Can you talk about the charges on Kyle Little?

01:04:57.000 I think they're public.

01:05:01.000 I can try to.

01:05:03.000 You know, I don't want to... I'm also... Because you're a witness, I don't want to... If it's too much, like, you know, we'll just... Well, just let me know.

01:05:09.000 I'll let you know if I can't.

01:05:10.000 Yeah.

01:05:11.000 Well, so at this point, then, you're at the hospital, so you didn't see any of the other stuff with, like, the other guys.

01:05:15.000 I saw the guy who got shot in the bicep.

01:05:19.000 I saw him come in immediately after I loaded Rosenbaum onto the gurney.

01:05:25.000 I was covered in blood and I was actually preparing to go into the bathroom to rinse the blood off.

01:05:31.000 And that's when he came in with two police officers.

01:05:35.000 And they said, we have a shooter.

01:05:36.000 We have another shooting victim.

01:05:37.000 We have another shooting victim.

01:05:39.000 And I looked at his arm and I was like, man, like that's... His bicep was gone.

01:05:42.000 It was gone.

01:05:43.000 I mean, I'm sorry to be graphic for people that are listening, but You can see in the video, the meat of his arm vaporized.

01:05:51.000 I'm not kidding, like it turns into dust.

01:05:53.000 I cannot believe he didn't lose his arm.

01:05:55.000 And the bones were broken in there too, I mean it was... Wow.

01:05:58.000 So did you guys see, were you guys there when then Kyle ran and like what happened next? 0.89

01:06:02.000 So I was right across the street during that whole thing so as soon as the shots rang out Earlier you were talking about dumb people who like don't go to the ground.

01:06:10.000 Yeah, so I ran towards the gunshots Wow because I was genuinely worried that Richie, who is not just my co-worker but my friend, was shot and so I was like, I don't know what I would have done if he was shot but, you know, I needed to make sure that the team was okay.

01:06:33.000 And as I was, I ran across the street, I have, I think I got video of it actually, Kyle's running right past me and there's people chasing him saying, You know, he's a shooter.

01:06:43.000 Why'd you shoot him?

01:06:44.000 And Kyle is sort of running but then sometimes stopping and turning around and sort of like flailing his gun wildly.

01:06:53.000 So I decided, you know, let's not chase after the guy with the flailing gun who people say just shot someone.

01:07:00.000 Yeah.

01:07:00.000 Let's make sure the team's okay and everyone's okay.

01:07:03.000 So I ran towards where the first shooting victim was and that was This was all took like 10 seconds.

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:11.000 And when I got there, Richie was just there was a guy on his back who he was shirtless, right?

01:07:19.000 Yeah.

01:07:20.000 And I was like, oh, my God.

01:07:23.000 Like, white guy, shirtless on his back.

01:07:26.000 I had no idea who it was.

01:07:27.000 And then I saw another shirtless person.

01:07:29.000 I was like, what?

01:07:30.000 Where'd the shirts go?

01:07:32.000 Helping him.

01:07:33.000 And I realized after a few seconds that it was Richie.

01:07:36.000 And so I was like, okay, you know, and at this point there was sort of a crowd gathering around the body, which is never helpful when you're trying to move a body.

01:07:47.000 So I stayed pretty close, like right behind.

01:07:49.000 I have video of the whole thing.

01:07:52.000 But at one point I think as they were trying to get get him down The the driveway of the hospital people weren't moving and I remember screaming like move What are you doing?

01:08:06.000 Like get out of the way this car can't drive and it was so chaotic and it just makes the situation so much worse and then I uh you know Richie went to the hospital and I sort of was just roaming the street not the you know like what just happened and then more shots rang out and at that point I just dove behind a car with

01:08:31.000 like two other random people and as we're sitting there firecrackers go off right behind us and all three of us jumped so high in the air because like and this one guy I remember just curses at nobody like who's who's throwing fireworks right now like are you kidding me um and that those second round of gunshots we heard was the was the Second shooting which was just up the block and I thought it was really crazy that it took Both of these shootings must have happened.

01:09:01.000 It probably took total seven or eight minutes Maybe less but police officers were down the street because they had been out all night pushing the protesters and the riders back and I just was shocked that it took them so long after the first round of gunshots to get there because that seems like a long time they're two blocks away.

01:09:24.000 There was a lot of confusion too because I was about three blocks and the shots go off and I was with another reporter named Caitlin I just looked at him and said, we're running to the hotel.

01:09:33.000 So we ran to the hotel and I looked at Ken and said, let's wait 20 minutes and let's get back on the scene.

01:09:38.000 So when you heard the first shots, you went to the hotel?

01:09:40.000 I just ran because I was already headed.

01:09:42.000 I was already headed that way.

01:09:43.000 You know, when I heard it, we ran.

01:09:45.000 Like I said, there was so much confusion because so much, so much chaos going on.

01:09:49.000 Elijah Schaefer texts me, another reporter, and he says, stay in the hotel.

01:09:53.000 People are doing drive-by shootings.

01:09:55.000 So at that time, I look at Kaelin like, whoa.

01:09:57.000 So now we have people like, drive-by shooting?

01:09:59.000 This is insane, Eden.

01:10:00.000 Kaelin's like, what should we do?

01:10:01.000 I said, let's wait like 15 minutes, Eden.

01:10:04.000 We went back to the scene and we could actually still see the casings on the ground.

01:10:08.000 We were there right when the cops were doing the whole investigation.

01:10:10.000 And there was a witness, there was a couple witnesses, so I went to go speak with them.

01:10:14.000 I went to go speak with them to get their story.

01:10:16.000 And they also thought people were doing drive-by shooting.

01:10:19.000 So at that time, I had no idea that Richie was in the hospital.

01:10:23.000 I had no idea that like it was Kyle.

01:10:26.000 Cause at that time I'm thinking, okay, it's multiple cars.

01:10:29.000 I'm hearing this from multiple people.

01:10:30.000 Like Elijah has already told me this, a witness.

01:10:33.000 And you know, it was like, till hours later, Shelby told me what really happened.

01:10:36.000 And I was just shocked, you know, because it was like, what the heck?

01:10:38.000 My boss was in the midst of it.

01:10:42.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:10:42.000 I didn't find out what happened to Richie until about 5 or 6 in the morning.

01:10:46.000 Have you guys covered riots or anything before this year?

01:10:48.000 I was covering because I was living in California.

01:10:52.000 I was covering marches and protests.

01:10:56.000 The craziest stuff that I was covering was right before I started coming with the club.

01:11:00.000 I was covering the reopened protests in California.

01:11:03.000 There's nothing compared to this at all.

01:11:05.000 But you were nodding Richie.

01:11:07.000 Well, yeah, I basically I started the collar in May of 17 and before that I was working as a video editor for Mark Levin.

01:11:13.000 So I was not on the ground at all.

01:11:15.000 But starting in May of 17, there were obviously there was unrest.

01:11:20.000 Yeah, plenty of it.

01:11:21.000 And so we've been covering that since the beginning.

01:11:23.000 But I think the difference here is that In this election year, everything is being polarized and cast into one narrative box or another.

01:11:34.000 And so I think the vacuum that exists now in terms of people being unwilling to cover the protests, honestly, is much bigger than it was in the past.

01:11:44.000 So when we were in D.C.

01:11:46.000 right after, you know, in D.C.

01:11:47.000 after the inauguration and then like Charlottesville and all that stuff, I think there was there was no shortage of coverage of those events.

01:11:55.000 And that hasn't been the case in the past six months.

01:11:59.000 So I think that the opportunity that our team has to actually go there and really show what's happening is greater now because it's more important now.

01:12:10.000 The risk is going up there.

01:12:11.000 They're not letting people film.

01:12:12.000 They're attacking people.

01:12:13.000 That's also true.

01:12:14.000 And I think that that was not the case in protests leading up to this summer.

01:12:19.000 They become incredibly aware of the fact that if crimes are perpetrated, all the people who are there who are oppressed are going to be the ones who get them in trouble.

01:12:27.000 Yep.

01:12:28.000 So they've known this for a long time, but they've just now like it wasn't.

01:12:34.000 When you go to one of these unrests, whatever you want to call it, and I do think it's fair to draw the distinction between a protest, unrest, and riot, because unrest might have some clashes with cops, but they're not burning things down, and a protest is people waving little signs and singing Kumbaya, and then a riot is just wanton destruction and everything.

01:12:51.000 But for the longest time they would say don't let anyone film because you'll get you'll get arrested use it as

01:12:56.000 evidence Now they really know now they've been active in organizing

01:13:00.000 But I but just just to clarify too is this like the first time you've been covering riots and protest and stuff

01:13:05.000 yeah, I mean I when I traveled as a professional tennis player I

01:13:09.000 There was what year was it where the with the Taksim Square in Istanbul? Oh

01:13:15.000 That was Yeah, so I did go there.

01:13:21.000 Oh, I was there.

01:13:22.000 Oh, really?

01:13:23.000 Maybe I saw you.

01:13:23.000 But I was very much, because I always wanted to do sort of this field correspondence.

01:13:29.000 I studied journalism in college, and so when I would go to these places, if there was something interesting going on, I would go just more for myself, you know, just to check it out.

01:13:40.000 And so I did do that, but really These were my first.

01:13:46.000 I tried in 2019 when I first got to the collar and there were some issues because I was a female.

01:13:55.000 So I broke that barrier down.

01:13:56.000 Breaking glass ceilings.

01:14:01.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 Well, depending on which country to go, there's definitely considerations that news organizations are becoming scared to address.

01:14:09.000 So there was a news organization that sent a female reporter to Tahrir Square in Egypt, and of course, men took her.

01:14:16.000 Yeah.

01:14:17.000 I mean, it's totally fair.

01:14:19.000 I get it.

01:14:20.000 But I think you can't blanket, you know, all females cannot do this stuff. 1.00

01:14:26.000 I think also, so Tahrir Square, I was actually there in December of 2010, because I was studying Arabic in college, and I lived in Jordan.

01:14:33.000 And that was right before the Arab Spring started.

01:14:37.000 There as a female in a public place like that, I actually think Shelby being on the ground at these riots actually is much less threatening than Jorge or I. And as a result, she's able to blend in a lot more. 0.64

01:14:49.000 And I think actually in it.

01:14:52.000 Despite me, well, you can call it asking you to walk around like a puppy dog, but I'm just trying.

01:14:58.000 My boss, Jeff Ingersoll, shout out to him.

01:15:02.000 He said, if if you if you What do you say? 1.00

01:15:07.000 If Shelby gets a black eye and you're not in the ICU, I'm gonna kill you. 1.00

01:15:13.000 But it is good. 0.97

01:15:14.000 I mean, I have to give credit to the caller because if you really want to do something and you can prove that you're capable of doing it, The freedom there is, you know, it's an amazing place to start your career.

01:15:33.000 It's an amazing place to work.

01:15:36.000 And I think that makes it really different from a lot of other media companies.

01:15:40.000 So, the reason I ask is just to, you know, get your sense of where we are now.

01:15:46.000 Curious if you have any, you know, understanding of or any perspective and experience with prior years.

01:15:51.000 But, uh, we've seen a bunch of these articles, a bunch of these tweets.

01:15:55.000 They're threatening to riot over Amy Coney Barrett.

01:15:57.000 They're threatening to riot just...

01:15:59.000 Again, because of Louisville, because of Brenna Taylor.

01:16:02.000 Now, Jack Posobiec tweeted that Kenosha is preparing an announcement.

01:16:07.000 We'll see what happens.

01:16:08.000 Some people think it's about Kyle Rittenhouse.

01:16:09.000 I doubt it.

01:16:09.000 It's probably about the officers not getting charged or something.

01:16:12.000 Personally, based on that news alone, I kind of feel like it's gonna kick off.

01:16:17.000 I mean, they're threatening it for a variety of reasons.

01:16:19.000 So I guess my question is, do you agree?

01:16:22.000 And do you guys see this getting worse over the next couple of months?

01:16:25.000 Are we going to see more Kyle Right Now situations?

01:16:29.000 I mean, I don't want to say it's going to get worse, but to be honest, I think it is from what I've been seeing.

01:16:35.000 Just because the country is so divided, I feel like the election is just going to send this thing overboard.

01:16:42.000 One big thing for me that I kind of keep telling people is, you know, whether if Biden wins, the right's not going to accept it.

01:16:48.000 If Trump wins, the left's not going to accept it.

01:16:50.000 And we're just in a crazy time.

01:16:52.000 You know, the Women's March, like I said, moved up their event to October 17. 0.96

01:16:55.000 You know, usually they wait till after the election.

01:16:58.000 And, you know, I don't know what's going to happen, but it definitely seems that it's not getting any better.

01:17:04.000 I mean, from what I've seen on the ground, it's definitely not getting any better.

01:17:08.000 What do you think Shelby? 1.00

01:17:09.000 I don't know.

01:17:10.000 I would agree.

01:17:10.000 I think your question about if there's going to be more Rittenhouse situations, you know, you hope not, of course.

01:17:20.000 I think that there's a definite, you know, something to be said, 17-year-olds, with whatever, I'm not a gun person.

01:17:28.000 What did he have, a .223?

01:17:28.000 Was it an AR-15?

01:17:31.000 Yeah, the AR-15 going into these very volatile situations where things can change at the blink of an eye.

01:17:41.000 You're not trained for that, you know what I mean?

01:17:44.000 And if you want to go, and whatever reason he had for being there, Will we see it again? Again, you hope not. But can I say no?

01:17:54.000 Of course not. I can't see, I can't predict the future.

01:17:58.000 But I do think that there will be riots. I think there's been ups and downs all this year. And we'll see an up again.

01:18:09.000 And I think we're starting to see kind of a portion of America that is getting really sick and tired of seeing

01:18:16.000 their cities destroyed.

01:18:17.000 And it's getting to a point where they're saying, if I have to pick up a gun and I have to go out there and do it

01:18:21.000 myself, then I will.

01:18:23.000 And that's what that Kyle Reinhart situation was.

01:18:25.000 That's dangerous.

01:18:27.000 I think it's, you know, it's not a good president for our country to be in.

01:18:31.000 We'll, you know, we'll see what happens.

01:18:32.000 But I mean, when we have the destruction that we're seeing, you're going to have a portion of people who feel like they are not protected and they have to do something for the community.

01:18:41.000 And we're going to continue to see that until, you know, we see some type of, you know, law and order restored, you know, hopefully coming into this new year with this election.

01:18:49.000 But like I said, I don't think so.

01:18:52.000 What do you think, Richie?

01:18:53.000 Yeah, well, what I think is that what I've noticed is an ongoing theme from across all these protests, and we were talking about this yesterday, is that the individuals who are out there, everybody has a cause, right?

01:19:06.000 And the ones who are actually engaging in the violence are perhaps the most lost in terms of how much they're putting into it and how much they hate, for example, law enforcement.

01:19:18.000 So what we saw in Kenosha was Basically, two different sides that had causes that they really believed in.

01:19:27.000 And in a situation where there's no law enforcement, well, they were close, but clearly they weren't doing their normal jobs.

01:19:35.000 They were doing riot control.

01:19:37.000 They weren't trying to keep, obviously, Kyle Rittenhouse from... What were they doing?

01:19:42.000 They weren't protecting the businesses.

01:19:44.000 The windows were getting smashed.

01:19:45.000 The fires were starting.

01:19:46.000 Well, I think that actually comparing DC's riot control to Kenosha, I mean, DC is literally they're babysitting that crowd the entire time that they're out marching.

01:19:57.000 And there's a little bit of irony there that, you know, the cops are stopping the traffic for the protesters who want to stop the traffic to keep them safe.

01:20:04.000 But in Kenosha, that was not the case.

01:20:07.000 And that's that's what I'm saying.

01:20:08.000 The first or the second night, because the first night we weren't there.

01:20:12.000 That's when things really popped off.

01:20:13.000 The second night was when everything burned to the ground.

01:20:15.000 The third night was the shooting.

01:20:17.000 And the second night, I think Kenosha was just so unprepared.

01:20:22.000 And it caused these individuals, these armed individuals to come out in the third night.

01:20:29.000 They were there the second night protecting one gas station, but there was only, what, three or four of them.

01:20:35.000 And then the second or the third night when the shooting happened, there were, you know, double or triple, I would say that amount.

01:20:41.000 And the more small cities where that kind of stuff happens, the law enforcement isn't trained for that.

01:20:47.000 And so that's the reason why I'm using D.C.

01:20:48.000 as an example.

01:20:49.000 And if that just continues to spread across our country, I do think you guys know that ammo shortages across the country.

01:20:57.000 You can't get nine millimeter.

01:20:59.000 I mean, I went to I've been out to, I think, two different shops and they got nothing.

01:21:04.000 They got no ammo.

01:21:06.000 Cause everybody, and I was at a shop recently, guy walks in and he walks up and he's like, you got 9mm?

01:21:10.000 And the guy's like, no.

01:21:12.000 And apparently it's like a dollar a round now, up from like a dime or something.

01:21:15.000 It's like, it's just, it's sold out.

01:21:20.000 What's interesting about it is that, for one, liberals have started buying up guns.

01:21:23.000 These people who normally passively just said, yeah gun control, all of a sudden they're gun owners, record gun sales.

01:21:28.000 Ammo gets bought up like crazy.

01:21:31.000 So what does that mean for small towns, towns like Kenosha, where law enforcement isn't getting the job done, where we see these district attorneys not prosecuting?

01:21:41.000 That's what I'm worried about, man.

01:21:42.000 I'm worried.

01:21:43.000 I think Kyle should not have been out there.

01:21:45.000 But I think the police should have been out there.

01:21:46.000 I think the rioters shouldn't have been. 0.99

01:21:48.000 Like, there's multiple steps we have to clear before we get to blaming Kyle for being, you know, I think a dumb kid. 0.99

01:21:53.000 It's riots shouldn't happen. 0.98

01:21:55.000 It was a failure on multiple ends.

01:21:57.000 Absolutely.

01:21:58.000 And then finally you get this kid, now they're smearing him and calling him all these crazy things.

01:22:01.000 I don't think he was being smart. 0.99

01:22:02.000 Basically what you guys are saying is he sounds like he's really dumb. 0.99

01:22:05.000 Waving the gun, running, not knowing what he was doing. 0.99

01:22:08.000 And apparently it wasn't even his gun.

01:22:10.000 It was given to him by somebody else.

01:22:12.000 So what I see there is I'm more concerned about the bigger picture than I am him as an individual.

01:22:18.000 The bigger picture is that You're gonna get more inexperienced people.

01:22:22.000 They're gonna be handed guns.

01:22:24.000 What happens when there's a small town in, I don't know, Pennsylvania?

01:22:28.000 You know, maybe it's a town of like 30,000 people, so it's not, you know, the biggest town, but it's 30,000 people.

01:22:33.000 And what happens when the rioters show up, and then some dude hands a handgun, like, laws be damned, we're not gonna burn, take this weapon, and that person's never fired before.

01:22:44.000 It's it's you know, we can talk about the laws and gun control all day and night But when it comes to someone marching down your street with a torch or a brick or a Molotov People are gonna be like I don't care, you know when people talk about whether Kyle should have had weapon or not I mean, look, the kid picked up the weapon when he's not legally allowed to have it because he was 17, not 18.

01:23:05.000 What do you think people are going to do?

01:23:09.000 You come to that neighborhood, they're going to say, I don't have the luxury of worrying about what comes after with these laws.

01:23:15.000 I have to worry about right now the guy in front of my house with the Molotov.

01:23:19.000 That's what I'm worried about happening.

01:23:20.000 And we kind of saw that example, too, when we were in Louisville, Kentucky.

01:23:25.000 There was that moment that I was able to capture with the Middle Eastern business owner, where you just have this huge mob of people.

01:23:33.000 Oh, that was, what was his name, Fari?

01:23:35.000 Yeah, and I visited him earlier in the day before I even got that video.

01:23:40.000 So real quick, this is a guy who was, like, surrounded and was refusing to say Black Lives Matter.

01:23:44.000 Is that him?

01:23:44.000 Yeah, and the thing was is, um, so he has a smoke shop then, like right there he's leasing another business that was firebombed the night before.

01:23:52.000 So I showed up when they were still doing an investigation and, you know, he was very, very upset.

01:23:57.000 They don't want to, they don't want to speak to me and I don't, I don't blame him.

01:23:59.000 You know, he just had a business firebomb.

01:24:01.000 And then later that night, you know, me and Chubb are kind of following this crowd.

01:24:05.000 And then that's when we see, I just see this huge, you know, kind of like a mob start to approach him.

01:24:10.000 And they come up to him and say, you know, does Breonna Taylor's life matter?

01:24:13.000 Does, you know, Black Lives Matter?

01:24:15.000 They're trying to get him to say, and he, you know, he wouldn't say that, you know, he was chilling there with his gun.

01:24:19.000 But even that situation could have ended, you know, bad.

01:24:22.000 I mean, he was, you know, he was cool, calm, and collective.

01:24:25.000 We're just seeing those type of examples all across the country where people don't even trust the cops anymore to restore law and order.

01:24:32.000 They have to literally sit in front of their business throughout the whole night if they have to just to make sure it doesn't get burnt to the ground.

01:24:37.000 And all it takes is one person with a gun who doesn't quite know what they're doing or gets frazzled or gets surrounded and that's literally all it takes.

01:24:51.000 And those people were kind of charging them.

01:24:52.000 They were yelling at him.

01:24:55.000 So I mean, like I said, you know, thank God he was cool, calm and collective.

01:24:58.000 But like, you know, like we said, if it was another individual was inexperienced, as soon as people charge up, they could already, they're already like, you know, you know, gun swinging.

01:25:05.000 So it was just a, you know, crazy moment to capture.

01:25:08.000 Then, you know, when we post it, it's just it's opening Americans eyes to like what what's happening on the ground.

01:25:13.000 It's crazy to me that, uh, in the debates, Joe Biden says Antifa doesn't exist.

01:25:19.000 And it's not just Antifa, it's just, I think the bigger issue is far-left extremism.

01:25:23.000 It's crazy to me that you get, like, from the FBI, oh, oh, you know, right-wing and white supremacy are the biggest threats.

01:25:29.000 And I'm like, they talk about the Proud Boys, and you know, I was saying this earlier, if 300 Proud Boys, like, started marching around my neighborhood, you know what I would do?

01:25:37.000 I'd do literally nothing, I wouldn't care.

01:25:39.000 Like, when the Proud Boys have come out, and they're left to their own devices, they just wave little American flags and then get drunk.

01:25:45.000 And then they leave, and they yell Uhuru or whatever it is they do.

01:25:48.000 If I heard that Black Lives Matter Antifa was coming, I'd pack up and get out. 1.00

01:25:53.000 I'm not gonna stick around.

01:25:54.000 Because we've already seen what happens when they come to your property and threaten you.

01:25:57.000 The cops arrest you.

01:25:58.000 You know, we see what happens to people who panic.

01:26:01.000 Not saying it's a good thing, but, you know, think they gotta defend their neighborhood.

01:26:04.000 They're gonna arrest you.

01:26:06.000 I'm not worried about Proud Boys.

01:26:08.000 Nobody knows who they are.

01:26:09.000 There's not even that many of them.

01:26:11.000 But the far left unrest has been everywhere.

01:26:15.000 I got a call from a friend in the far west Chicago suburbs.

01:26:18.000 Dinky, tiny little town.

01:26:20.000 Yup, they showed up.

01:26:21.000 And they didn't even live there.

01:26:22.000 That's scary.

01:26:23.000 So then you see in the debates, Joe Biden won't denounce it.

01:26:28.000 Joe Biden's campaign staff bailing these people out Minneapolis.

01:26:31.000 Kamala Harris soliciting donations to bail these people out.

01:26:34.000 I am worried that, you know, right now there's the debate over whose America is this.

01:26:38.000 Trump says in Biden's America, this is what you'll get.

01:26:39.000 And people laugh and say, yeah, Trump, you're president now.

01:26:42.000 And I'm like, nah, here's the way I see it.

01:26:44.000 They deputized the Oregon State Police in Oregon.

01:26:49.000 They then deputized the Portland Police.

01:26:51.000 So now if you get arrested by the state troopers or the Portland PD, the feds charge you.

01:26:56.000 And that's freaking these people out.

01:26:59.000 That's Trump.

01:27:01.000 Joe Biden, his campaign staff, bailing these people out?

01:27:04.000 I'm worried that if Biden gets elected, it's gonna be, let's negotiate and figure out what we can do to appease them.

01:27:10.000 Yeah, they might stop rioting, because Biden and the Democrats are gonna be like, here are the things you've asked for.

01:27:16.000 Like, we're gonna give in to your demands.

01:27:18.000 I think if Trump gets elected, he's going to be like, he's going to put on the iron gauntlet and slam his iron fist.

01:27:23.000 But I don't know, man.

01:27:24.000 I don't know if you guys get that political on the issue because I think you're mostly just on the ground reporters and I'm talking, you know, like all politics, but I don't know if you have any thoughts on, you know, like, well, yeah.

01:27:33.000 What do you think about the local government?

01:27:34.000 What do you think about Trump's responses?

01:27:36.000 Do you think they've said Trump's made it worse?

01:27:38.000 Do you guys have any opinions?

01:27:40.000 I mean from I mean one one thing that I could kind of take away is when we were like covering the situation in like Seattle and Chaz when we go you know I'll just you know go out to just speak to regular folks in Seattle even like one thing I found interesting was like the Trump supporters and the conservatives They got to a point where they really wanted Trump to intervene and not kind of use it as like a political playground, you know, because Trump will come out and say, hey, well, that's happening in Democrat cities, let them burn.

01:28:07.000 But people forget there's Trump supporters in those Democrat cities who do want to see their city or state, you know, see the law and order restored.

01:28:14.000 That's one thing that I took away was folks in Seattle and then conservatives in Portland, they got to the point where they actually want to see Trump like actually come in and do something and not kind of see them kind of bashing their city.

01:28:25.000 So I found that interesting.

01:28:26.000 But you know, every city is different or every situation is different.

01:28:30.000 I think with the situation in Louisville, I think they wanted to avoid the chaos so bad that they just said, hey, we're going to declare unlawful assemblies like right when curfew occurs and we're just arresting everyone.

01:28:42.000 And hopefully that sends a message.

01:28:44.000 I mean, one thing that I could kind of take away from my jail experience was, with the men that I was with, is after they were in jail, almost all of them said, we're not coming back anymore.

01:28:54.000 Like, this is it. 0.90

01:28:56.000 After being in here, this sucks. 0.93

01:28:57.000 And the people that I met, at least in my cell, were mostly out of towners. 0.94

01:29:01.000 So I had people from Indiana, Detroit, and Ohio.

01:29:03.000 That were down in Louisville and almost like 9 out of 10 of them said, dude, we're not coming back after this. 0.96

01:29:09.000 Like this sucks.

01:29:09.000 So I don't know if that's maybe needs to happen in more cities where you just mass arrest these people and just maybe send a message.

01:29:17.000 We'll see if that works.

01:29:18.000 Cause I know in Portland people were getting arrested and getting turned around in like three, four hours already.

01:29:22.000 Coming right back.

01:29:23.000 Yeah, so maybe that's what needs to happen.

01:29:26.000 When I went to Atlanta after Rashard Brooks, the unrest was bad because we were at the Wendy's where he got killed and there was literally, it was a no cop go zone.

01:29:35.000 So the gangsters in that hood ran that Wendy's and they literally did not let white people in and out.

01:29:42.000 Wait, in Atlanta?

01:29:43.000 In Atlanta.

01:29:44.000 So that was one of the good times that Shelby and Richie weren't with me because they probably wouldn't have been even let into the no go zone.

01:29:52.000 That wasn't reported.

01:29:53.000 Yeah, and one thing that bothered me when we were in Atlanta was that me and another reporter, Julio Rosas, we were blasting it on social media trying to show people the violence happening in that little section because it was a no-go zone.

01:30:03.000 The three nights that we were on the ground reporting, two of the night's shots were fired at the Wendy's, so we were there for that. 1.00

01:30:09.000 And almost, it didn't get any traction with any big media or law enforcement.

01:30:13.000 Even the very next week after we were gone is when that eight-year-old girl went to visit that vigil and got shot and killed.

01:30:19.000 And it took that moment for them to say, okay, we're sending national guard.

01:30:23.000 Same thing at Chaz.

01:30:24.000 We went in there and like attacked it, attacked it, you know, trying to expose it.

01:30:28.000 And then it took two people getting shot and killed for, you know, for something to happen.

01:30:33.000 It's just been, uh, you know, every city's different.

01:30:35.000 I don't know how, you know, what's the correct way to handle it, but, um, it's kind of been interesting just to kind of, uh, get that feedback.

01:30:41.000 One of the first things I asked you guys, I was like, oh, you've clearly got time to be here.

01:30:45.000 You know, we've had, like, you know, for the past four months, every day I wake up, I'm like, oh, it's my mo- like, I do a segment in the morning.

01:30:50.000 My mo- my morning riot update for everybody.

01:30:52.000 Turn on your car stereo on your way to work and listen about the riots.

01:30:54.000 Because every night, every single night, There have been a couple over the past few nights.

01:30:59.000 And this actually freaks me out.

01:31:01.000 I didn't talk about them.

01:31:02.000 Because the politics stuff is getting bigger.

01:31:04.000 And I've mentioned before, that's actually a problem because it's normalized.

01:31:08.000 Like the stuff happening in the Pacific Northwest?

01:31:10.000 Now it's just like, oh, they're throwing firebombs again.

01:31:12.000 You know, what am I really going to tell anybody?

01:31:15.000 Hey, they threw firebombs again.

01:31:16.000 Alright, have a nice day.

01:31:17.000 I was talking to Richie about that earlier actually we were sort of looking at where the unrest is right now and I said something like you know it's Portland and Seattle like they're not protest they're not doing this for like any reason it's just violence at this point you know they're it's not like Louisville where they began protesting over the Breonna Taylor the verdict it's They're just doing it to cause chaos.

01:31:49.000 And so it's, it's less interesting almost.

01:31:52.000 It's because, you know, compared to going to Louisville or potentially going to Kenosha next week, depending on what happens.

01:31:59.000 Wait, is there news coming out?

01:32:00.000 Well, we don't know what the news is, but... Something's about to happen.

01:32:04.000 Something allegedly is about to happen.

01:32:07.000 So that's interesting because it's... something sparked it.

01:32:11.000 And in Portland, it's just... I don't know what's sparking it.

01:32:16.000 They got what they wanted, right?

01:32:18.000 The National Guard stood down and then people... and there's still violence and chaos going on.

01:32:23.000 Yeah, it didn't work.

01:32:26.000 I agree with that and I think what Kenosha and my experience my personal experience with Kenosha really the lesson that I learned there is The degree to which the facts on the ground are being neglected in favor of whatever narrative you want to push.

01:32:43.000 And I think both sides are guilty of that.

01:32:45.000 But specifically, you know, with respect to Kyle, it was weeks before, you know, CNN, Washington Post contacted me.

01:32:56.000 And I think part of the reason is because my testimony, they just it didn't fit what they wanted to put out there.

01:33:04.000 Wait, so they didn't hit you up, like, hey, you're THE witness, you were involved, they didn't talk to you, or what?

01:33:10.000 I think what happened was, basically, Wednesday night after the shooting, I went on Tucker Carlson.

01:33:18.000 And my goal in this is one thing and one thing only, and that's to tell the public, the greater public, not just one echo chamber, what I saw.

01:33:27.000 And I think after I went on Tucker that really turned off half of the media establishment from what I had to say.

01:33:35.000 And there's actually a CNN report that said that I supported the conservative belief that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.

01:33:43.000 It said that.

01:33:44.000 But you never said that.

01:33:46.000 I said, Kyle told me that he was there to protect the small businesses.

01:33:52.000 Right.

01:33:53.000 And he mentioned an absence of police.

01:33:55.000 So I wasn't supporting any claim.

01:33:56.000 I'm playing a role here as a witness.

01:33:58.000 So having experienced that, I really learned the degree to which, you know, the facts on the ground can just don't even matter anymore.

01:34:05.000 So I think that's what's different now than previous riots and stuff like that.

01:34:09.000 I take a look at like the press conference held by these doctors over COVID.

01:34:13.000 Breitbart did a live stream of it.

01:34:16.000 And then Facebook deleted it because it was misinformation, but I'm like, but it's just a press conference that was hosted by doctors and a Republican politician.

01:34:24.000 Why is the news organization being struck down?

01:34:26.000 Your story is similar in the sense that if the narrative doesn't fit, the news organization is, you're a provocateur.

01:34:32.000 You're not a journalist anymore.

01:34:34.000 The moment you say something that steps out of line, like, Andy Ngo, all these news organizations say, right-wing provocateur, and it's like, What has he done?

01:34:42.000 Other than just like, here's people, here's what they're doing, here's a video of it.

01:34:46.000 Nope, that makes him an activist, a provocateur.

01:34:48.000 And I think part of it too has to do with how prominent, you know, Andy started getting, so for those unfamiliar, Andy Ngo is just, he's a journalist in the Pacific Northwest who covers far-left violence.

01:34:58.000 He calls it what it is.

01:34:59.000 And now that he's gaining more and more followers as he's, you know, publishing a lot of this information and exposing what these people are doing, now he's so, you know, well-known, they say he's a right-wing provocateur.

01:35:10.000 I don't know of any right-wing groups that he's a part of.

01:35:13.000 Like, he's not partisan.

01:35:14.000 He's not talking about voting for Trump.

01:35:16.000 I think he said that he's like center-right, politically or something to that effect.

01:35:20.000 But that erases his identity as a journalist.

01:35:23.000 And that's it.

01:35:24.000 I don't know if you guys can even comment on this, like why it is that you think the media is downplaying or even protecting the extremists that are causing the violence.

01:35:35.000 I mean I think I mean I just off the bat I would say maybe it has to do something with it you know doesn't protect their side doesn't fit the narrative for for for their side it's it's it's hard to tell um but like like how we said we're you know we try to be out there try to get the full scoop show you guys everything and then let let you decide it's It's difficult to understand.

01:35:55.000 I mean, one thing that bothered me was that thing in Kenosha where, you know, I didn't even see any, like, reporters talking to the business owners.

01:36:02.000 You know, these people are devastated.

01:36:04.000 You know, livelihood gone.

01:36:05.000 You know, who's going to share their stories?

01:36:06.000 You know, we ran into one witness who said a seven-year-old man was beat trying to protect his business.

01:36:12.000 I saw that video.

01:36:12.000 They smashed him over the back of the head.

01:36:16.000 And to me, it was just like, you know, if you're in media news, why are we not sharing these stories of these?

01:36:20.000 These are Americans just like us.

01:36:22.000 They're in the middle class.

01:36:23.000 You know, they work nine to five jobs.

01:36:25.000 You know, we should be sharing these stories.

01:36:27.000 And I don't know, you know, I've only been in D.C.

01:36:31.000 for four months, but I don't know if it's like the whole connection of, you know, you always hear the rumors before you move to D.C.

01:36:36.000 Don't get too caught up in your D.C.

01:36:38.000 bubble.

01:36:40.000 Don't forget us real Americans.

01:36:42.000 And maybe that is a thing, where they're so caught up in this D.C.

01:36:45.000 bubble, they're like, well hey, I can look out the window and my high-rise isn't burning down, so everyone's doing fine.

01:36:51.000 So I don't know if it's that aspect, but to me, that's for me just that folks are too elite in media.

01:36:58.000 Do you remember that tweet from the guy in like Hollywood where he's like, yeah, they're riding.

01:37:01.000 Woo.

01:37:01.000 And then, oh no, the rides are near my house.

01:37:03.000 Stop.

01:37:04.000 Go the other way.

01:37:05.000 Go to the poor neighborhood, bro.

01:37:06.000 I actually, I've been in DC for 12 years, so I can definitely comment.

01:37:10.000 And I worked at NBC.

01:37:12.000 One of my first weeks there was the Newtown shooting.

01:37:15.000 And I, that will forever stick out in my head because When you have people who sit in these multi-million dollar studios and they talk about these human tragedies day in and day out, I think there's a certain callousness that you develop.

01:37:27.000 And having experienced that human suffering firsthand, literally having Rosenbaum dying in my arms, I am now so much more aware of the actual suffering that is taking place as a byproduct of What's happening in our country right now?

01:37:44.000 And that's not just in the riots.

01:37:46.000 That's why are these people mad in the first place?

01:37:48.000 Why are they going out there and so desperate to, you know, tear down the fence around the federal courthouse in Portland?

01:37:55.000 And the answer is it all starts with the economics and our generation.

01:38:00.000 You know, I'm 31 and I won't say how old Shelby is. 0.98

01:38:03.000 She's very young.

01:38:05.000 But our generation.

01:38:06.000 No shame.

01:38:07.000 We've talked about this extensively.

01:38:11.000 We're probably the first generation of Americans who are inheriting in America that's less prosperous than what our parents grew up in or entered their professional lives in.

01:38:20.000 And I think there's a profound disillusionment that's happening in 20-somethings and millennials.

01:38:27.000 And I think that's the real root.

01:38:29.000 And nobody wants to talk about that.

01:38:31.000 Nobody wants to talk about the mental health or opioids, because if it bleeds, it leads.

01:38:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:35.000 I think it's a lack of purpose.

01:38:37.000 Like, no one's got anything to do.

01:38:38.000 No one knows why they're here.

01:38:40.000 We've talked about that a little bit too, like, these groups, it almost seems like they don't know who they are, what they want, and this is a, like, this is a community for people.

01:38:54.000 As strange as it sounds, it's, you know, a team.

01:38:57.000 It's something to fight for and belong to, and I think And I think that the media, I think also it's so divisive these days, like with Trump, you know, if Trump says something, I think, and this does not mean I am pro-Trump or anything, you know, I'm very non-political, but you can just see it.

01:39:22.000 You know, you don't have to be political to see that if Trump says something, many people in the media just automatically go to the other end of the spectrum.

01:39:30.000 In the most extreme way.

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 So what has Trump done?

01:39:33.000 He has called out these violent riots.

01:39:36.000 He has used them.

01:39:38.000 He has spoken about them.

01:39:40.000 And so the media downplays them.

01:39:43.000 And I think that is definitely a part of it as well.

01:39:45.000 So Trump needs to come out and support Antifa for them to finally crack down on the riots.

01:39:50.000 Antifa is great.

01:39:51.000 They're the best.

01:39:52.000 I love what they do.

01:39:53.000 Trump is supporting violent extremists, these people.

01:39:56.000 And then they go full capitalist.

01:39:57.000 Trump just announces he's a communist and then they're like, perfect.

01:40:00.000 I mean, that is an ongoing joke from like the Babylon Bee.

01:40:02.000 It's like other satire sites.

01:40:03.000 Whatever Trump says, I say the opposite.

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:05.000 But one thing I actually kind of wanted to mention, kind of piggyback on what they were saying too, is, you know, being on the ground and like just striking some conversations with folks, I think it's that too is the lack of purpose in their life.

01:40:19.000 I think a lot of folks that I've met, they kind of see this as like a moment of revolution.

01:40:22.000 So it kind of fills that void.

01:40:24.000 I mean, one thing that I would be more interested in if I could have a chance to sit down is just, you know, finding more about these people's family lives.

01:40:31.000 You know, I think that one thing that we don't talk about in media and politics is just like, you know, having a strong family structure is a big, big deal in our society.

01:40:40.000 And I think we shouldn't shy away from that conversation.

01:40:43.000 We should be speaking about it, especially in 2020 in a time like this.

01:40:46.000 We should be talking about family again.

01:40:49.000 We're gonna jump to Super Chats.

01:40:51.000 You guys ready?

01:40:52.000 Yes, sir.

01:40:52.000 Audience commentary.

01:40:54.000 Most of it has nothing to do with what we're talking about, you know.

01:40:57.000 But we'll see where we go.

01:40:59.000 Like, for instance, Bobby Lane says, Alex Jones should be Joe Rogan's co-host for all his future podcasts.

01:41:05.000 Spotify would love it.

01:41:06.000 It would also be great for both of them to moderate LMAO.

01:41:09.000 That'd be awesome.

01:41:10.000 Yeah.

01:41:11.000 I'd get on board with that.

01:41:12.000 Morgan Lippincott says, there's a petition by Notre Dame students asking the university president to resign.

01:41:17.000 He was seen breaking the school's social distancing rules at the ACB nomination ceremony, and once on campus in August, students can be expelled for breaking said rules.

01:41:26.000 Interesting.

01:41:26.000 I'll also mention right now, too, if you guys want to actually ask questions, we got the DC Riot Squad, so you guys, I mean, look, if you want to ask a question about the riots, these are the people who are on the ground covering all of it, so they have the answers for you.

01:41:38.000 This is your chance.

01:41:39.000 And also, smash that like button.

01:41:42.000 Lior Engelstein says, this is for Richie.

01:41:45.000 Send my message from earlier, Tim.

01:41:47.000 I don't know which one that was.

01:41:50.000 That's Lior from Full Conceal.

01:41:51.000 Oh, okay, right on.

01:41:53.000 Oh, is he saying for you to send him it?

01:41:55.000 Yeah, I told you earlier about the thing.

01:41:57.000 Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

01:42:00.000 Ah, yes, top secret, top secret.

01:42:01.000 We don't want to tell people what you're packing, you know.

01:42:04.000 That's right.

01:42:04.000 We're talking about guns, by the way.

01:42:06.000 Oh, gosh.

01:42:08.000 Tony says, Hi Tim, I very much like your videos, but I think you might be misinformed on Turning Point.

01:42:12.000 I work for Turning Point, and we go to college campuses to talk about capitalism vs. socialism, big government vs. small government benefits of Bill of Rights.

01:42:20.000 I... yeah?

01:42:21.000 I guess?

01:42:23.000 No, I made a comment about it earlier, so, you know, I respect.

01:42:26.000 Let's see.

01:42:28.000 Captain Deplorable says, Tim tells it like it is.

01:42:30.000 Fist bump.

01:42:31.000 Thank you very much.

01:42:32.000 Daniel Sotelo says why not Joe Jorgensen?

01:42:35.000 I don't know if you guys don't seem very political, but I'll just say for me

01:42:39.000 She endorsed Black Lives Matter and said we must be actively anti-racist. It's an ideology. That's overtly

01:42:46.000 racist. So, you know, I'm not down with that Yeah

01:42:49.000 Craig wadding says Tim I heard that Antifa have been buying up all the extra small small and extra extra extra small

01:42:55.000 sized bulletproof vests ha ha ha ha

01:42:59.000 Tell Bucko I said hello.

01:43:00.000 Oh, I will tell him.

01:43:01.000 You guys met Bucko, right?

01:43:02.000 Yeah, we did.

01:43:03.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:43:05.000 Let's see, Joshua says, I think Trump helped Biden by speaking to his pride and allowing him to break focus organically.

01:43:10.000 Shouldn't Trump force Biden to ad-lib for two minutes?

01:43:12.000 Yes, he should have.

01:43:13.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:43:14.000 It would have been awesome.

01:43:16.000 Lee Wilson says, your name popped up on Boomer AM radio this morning.

01:43:19.000 Looks like you're going mainstream.

01:43:20.000 Oh, great.

01:43:21.000 The Boomers love you, too.

01:43:22.000 Yeah, man.

01:43:23.000 All right, let's see what we got here.

01:43:25.000 I want to see if I can get more questions for you guys, specifically.

01:43:29.000 Everyone loves you.

01:43:31.000 Well, I mean, it is my show. 1.00

01:43:33.000 I'm sure there are shows right now where they're like, Tim Pool's a moron. 0.99

01:43:37.000 Someone's, uh, I-see-it-like-this-I-feel-like says, vote in person. 0.99

01:43:41.000 There we go.

01:43:41.000 Ah, here we go.

01:43:42.000 Brandon Savage says, Uhuru means freedom in Swahili.

01:43:45.000 Okay.

01:43:46.000 I didn't know that was, uh... I just thought it was a thing they yelled, but... What was it?

01:43:54.000 Uh, in Arabic, freedom is haria.

01:43:57.000 So that's... Do they yell that, too, or something?

01:43:59.000 Yeah.

01:44:00.000 Oh! 0.60

01:44:00.000 Right, right, right. 0.60

01:44:01.000 Interesting.

01:44:02.000 Weird.

01:44:03.000 All right, let's see, let's see.

01:44:05.000 SootyThunder says, your story reminds me of a time in college.

01:44:09.000 Word started spreading that there was a gunman on campus, and as soon as it went from drill to gunman, I was out the window, avoid the pathways using the tree line, and got to my truck and GTFO.

01:44:20.000 DespairDoctor says, Kyle deserves better.

01:44:24.000 Eagle99 says, Tim, me and my family watch your videos every day and appreciate the viewpoint and truth.

01:44:28.000 You unwind from the games and most of the other media.

01:44:31.000 Be safe and well, man.

01:44:32.000 Appreciate it.

01:44:33.000 Socialism says, why did the female reporter in the room lie about Kyle? 1.00

01:44:38.000 He had complete control of his weapon the entire time.

01:44:41.000 Fake news is not what we need, especially when we have video evidence of the truth.

01:44:44.000 Yes, Shelby.

01:44:45.000 Yes, Shelby.

01:44:46.000 You weren't there, Shelby.

01:44:48.000 I was there, and Richie was there, and I think Richie would back me up when I said he did not always have complete control of his weapon.

01:44:58.000 Well, you can read the criminal complaint.

01:45:00.000 I'm not going to comment on I said and how that was interpreted by prosecutors, but

01:45:05.000 what you can see on the video if he I'm not sure exactly whose video feed

01:45:09.000 It was so apologies to whoever filmed it Kyle's running down the street with a fire extinguisher in

01:45:13.000 one hand and an AR and the other at a full sprint I don't know what fire there was over there, but if it was

01:45:21.000 a dumpster fire You probably shouldn't be sprinting down the street with an 0.93

01:45:24.000 AR-15. Well, actually you guys know drew Hernandez lives matter show

01:45:28.000 He said I don't know if this is the same incident but he said they had lit a dumpster on fire and were

01:45:32.000 pushing it towards a gas station and The reason they got mad at Kyle was because it was either

01:45:36.000 him or someone who looked like him who put the fire out So I don't know if this is the same scenario, but maybe if you see three dudes with a flaming dumpster being pushed towards a gas station, you do sprint towards it.

01:45:48.000 Yeah.

01:45:48.000 But listen, just because he didn't have... I mean, me saying he didn't have control of his gun the whole time does not mean that, you know, I'm not saying that he was...

01:46:00.000 You know, I... You're not accusing him.

01:46:02.000 Yeah, it's just a statement based on what I saw being on the ground.

01:46:08.000 And that's that.

01:46:09.000 And actually, I told you when he turned around, the gun was aimed 45 degrees at the ground.

01:46:15.000 And so, as far as the instance of the shooting itself, that's a different story.

01:46:20.000 And so, your friend over there, maybe you can go check out some videos.

01:46:25.000 Everybody has their opinions.

01:46:26.000 Videos, yeah.

01:46:27.000 This is interesting.

01:46:27.000 I don't know.

01:46:28.000 Maybe we can fact check this.

01:46:30.000 MindlessFPV says, Proud Boys announced lawsuits against CNN and Biden campaign.

01:46:34.000 I saw Rittenhouse did that, but I didn't see the Proud Boys do that.

01:46:37.000 Rittenhouse is going to be suing through.

01:46:39.000 Let me Google this.

01:46:40.000 Interesting.

01:46:42.000 Glenn says, as former military and as an armed security, I give credit to Rittenhouse for his restraint.

01:46:48.000 The last guy he had to shoot, I would have seen him still as a threat, for he still had a weapon.

01:46:54.000 So actually, yeah, like in the video you can see after all three, you know, after the final shooting of the dude's arm, there's another guy with his hands up and Kyle lowers his weapon and just gets up and starts walking away.

01:47:07.000 I guess, you know, I think that, in my opinion, and you guys have to comment on this, but this proves intent to murder.

01:47:14.000 I mean, I saw him earlier in the night, he's in one of my videos in the background, yelling at protesters to, you know, if you need first aid, come here.

01:47:25.000 What we saw that evening doesn't add up with the idea that he came to just shoot people.

01:47:32.000 Yeah.

01:47:32.000 I totally understand that.

01:47:34.000 Kyle went out and protected his community and you label him as a dumb kid. 0.97

01:47:38.000 Tim, he was a patriot that protected his community from domestic terrorists. 0.90

01:47:42.000 I don't want to, but I have to do the same, then I will." 0.99

01:47:45.000 I totally understand that. 0.96

01:47:47.000 And so what I'll say is, I'm not saying, when I say Kyle was a dumb kid, I'm saying he's 0.95

01:47:52.000 inexperienced and is coming out not knowing how you handle the situations, how he's supposed 0.97

01:47:59.000 I'm not making a moral judgment.

01:48:01.000 I'm saying we are going to see more people who don't know how to handle the weapon.

01:48:05.000 I'm not saying... I'm not... I'm not saying that about Kyle.

01:48:06.000 I'm saying we're going to see more people who don't know how to handle a weapon coming out and saying, if the cops aren't coming, I'm coming.

01:48:12.000 That's why I say before I get to any criticisms of Kyle, first I criticize the cops.

01:48:16.000 Where were they?

01:48:17.000 Then I criticize the rioters.

01:48:18.000 Why were you burning the city down?

01:48:20.000 Then once we get there, we can talk about whatever we want to criticize Kyle for.

01:48:24.000 But these barriers are in front of that.

01:48:27.000 If I'm being critical of him, keep that in mind.

01:48:31.000 There's layers to this.

01:48:32.000 If it was before the riots even happened, the dude showed up and was waving a gun around, I'm going to criticize him.

01:48:36.000 But get out of here! 1.00

01:48:38.000 Don't do that.

01:48:38.000 But this was, what, the third night of unrest and riots.

01:48:41.000 So I'm not, I'm not judging the kid for not being a, you know, a trained, full, like, you know, military, whatever, marksman, lurking in the shadows, knowing how he's gonna defend a building or anything like that.

01:48:53.000 Alright, let's see, we just got a bunch of Super Chats just popped up right now, so let's see.

01:48:59.000 Uh, Evie says, greatest guest ever, Tim.

01:49:01.000 Does anyone think locals have changed their minds on who to vote for based on riots?

01:49:05.000 Is that something you guys can comment on?

01:49:06.000 Do you have any experience with that stuff?

01:49:08.000 Yes.

01:49:09.000 Well, we've interviewed people who are moving out of their cities because of what's happening.

01:49:14.000 Multiple people in Portland, people in Seattle.

01:49:18.000 They're done.

01:49:19.000 They're out.

01:49:20.000 Are they voting for Trump?

01:49:23.000 I don't know.

01:49:25.000 One of them was voting for Trump, and I don't think they had in the past.

01:49:30.000 But there are people where they're over this.

01:49:33.000 They're over it.

01:49:35.000 I heard a story of some lady in Portland who, like, her store was getting attacked by rioters and she pulled out a gun.

01:49:42.000 And then she started yelling at the group where the black people at because it was all white people yelling Black Lives Matter. 0.99

01:49:47.000 And it's like, there's crazy stories like that.

01:49:50.000 You know, where locals are just like, nuh-uh. 1.00

01:49:52.000 Like, you guys are nuts. 0.94

01:49:53.000 And they come out, and then, you know, the Trump supporters make the stories go viral because they're kind of like... I don't wanna downplay the severity of the chaos, but there's a humor in, like, the absurdity of some of these stories, for sure. 0.98

01:50:05.000 Bo Stoker says, talk to my local militia about this citation.

01:50:09.000 Watching all the vids.

01:50:10.000 Kyle's discipline was actually quite good.

01:50:12.000 It shows in the videos.

01:50:13.000 Trigger and aim, when he drops aim when people retreat.

01:50:16.000 I agree with that 100%.

01:50:18.000 I just think that he's 17, man.

01:50:21.000 He's not like a 35 year old, you know, fully trained, experienced, you know.

01:50:26.000 Socialism says gun owners are not the issue.

01:50:28.000 To everyone in the room, 99% of all gun crimes are committed by illegal ownership.

01:50:33.000 The overwhelming amount of guns save lives.

01:50:36.000 Anti-gun much?

01:50:38.000 I was just in Wisconsin and my boyfriend was teaching me how to shoot a gun.

01:50:45.000 I'm not anti-gun.

01:50:46.000 Yeah, no way, man.

01:50:47.000 I got a bunch of guns now.

01:50:49.000 Yeah, stay out of my... Yeah, I don't know what I said to get that.

01:50:53.000 Way to go, Jorge.

01:50:54.000 I'll take the blame on this one, folks.

01:50:56.000 Maybe the interpretation was when I was saying, like, someone's gonna hand their gun and say, gun laws be damned.

01:51:00.000 Like, I'm protecting my community.

01:51:02.000 I think we're gonna see a lot of that.

01:51:03.000 And I'm not making a moral judgment.

01:51:04.000 I'm saying...

01:51:05.000 I don't want to see it happen.

01:51:08.000 The cops, we need law enforcement.

01:51:10.000 That's exactly why.

01:51:11.000 But I would not be surprised if regular people just pick up the gun and say, I don't care.

01:51:16.000 I'm not gonna sit around and wait for my life to be destroyed.

01:51:20.000 Alright, let's see what we got here.

01:51:23.000 DB says, I'm from Brazil. 0.97

01:51:25.000 The radical left in the USA is crazy.

01:51:27.000 Brazilian journalists just digest news from the major American news sources on Twitter.

01:51:31.000 Interesting.

01:51:33.000 Dawson Allen says, after watching the video from Fight Back and following Kyle's case, he was attacked first.

01:51:38.000 He needs to go home.

01:51:39.000 God bless you guys and gals.

01:51:40.000 Interesting.

01:51:42.000 Placid says, hey Tim, there was a study that shows that concealed carry holders are more law-abiding than government police.

01:51:49.000 Alright.

01:51:51.000 Sean Anthony says, if someone asked any of you what you think is the best thing they can do to stop these riots, what would you suggest?

01:52:00.000 That's a tough question.

01:52:01.000 It's a tough one.

01:52:02.000 I mean, I don't, like, I'm not in law enforcement, so I wouldn't know, but I mean, I'm reading Lennon B. Johnson's book right now about 1968.

01:52:10.000 So one thing that he did during the race riots is they put troops on the ground.

01:52:13.000 And it seems like when you put troops on the ground, violence deters.

01:52:16.000 So that's all I got to say.

01:52:17.000 But as an individual person, it's tough.

01:52:22.000 I mean, I don't know the answer to that.

01:52:25.000 I can speak on where I have expertise, which is in the media.

01:52:29.000 I'm incredibly angry about the way that this entire situation has been treated by the media and the way that it's been downplayed for partisan purposes.

01:52:38.000 And also, by the way, when we were in Seattle, there was a Fox News reporter coming in there and saying, oh, it's a party-like atmosphere and then leaving.

01:52:46.000 So I don't think it's necessarily that it's conservative or Democrat, but it's very much a corporate media narratives that are spun up and then you have to stick to them.

01:52:57.000 Because independent journalists will say what they actually think, but people who are working for a massive corporation, they've got corporate overlords who have shareholders to worry about.

01:53:06.000 And I think media is being democratized now.

01:53:08.000 But apparently not as much as it could be because, I mean, our voices are lost.

01:53:13.000 Nobody wants to pay attention to what we're saying at the Daily Caller, that's for sure.

01:53:16.000 At the Daily Caller?

01:53:17.000 Oh, because I mean, we're, you know, we're not establishment.

01:53:19.000 I thought you meant you're like bosses were like, we don't care what these guys are doing.

01:53:23.000 You mean that the establishment won't hear you out.

01:53:25.000 Exactly.

01:53:26.000 In fact, they'll actively ignore what we're saying, I think.

01:53:30.000 Bombabear says, Tim, I must disagree with you on Kyle.

01:53:32.000 I'm a combat veteran.

01:53:33.000 I'm 35.

01:53:34.000 Also, that 17-year-old was more calm than I would have been.

01:53:37.000 He was trained well.

01:53:38.000 Well, you know, to be honest, far be it for me to comment on whether or not someone is trained properly, because I certainly don't know what, you know, a trained SWAT or military member would do in a situation like that.

01:53:47.000 Alright, let's see.

01:53:49.000 OneDrop says, Guests, with the police interactions in D.C.

01:53:53.000 and the other cities you have been in during the riots, how restrained or heavy-handed do you think the police are or have been?

01:54:00.000 I think in D.C.

01:54:02.000 it began, the police were very passive.

01:54:05.000 And it has gotten to the point where there's been so much unrest in D.C.

01:54:09.000 that, you know, people throw one or two water bottles and that's it.

01:54:13.000 They're moving in.

01:54:15.000 And then Kenosha, I would argue the police were really Failed in that situation, and I think they were underprepared Small town versus like the likes of DC though, you know Louisville of course two officers got shot, but I I think every night They were declaring an unlawful assembly right when curfew was I think they were way more aggressive than we've seen in other cities Louisville was yeah

01:54:41.000 Interesting.

01:54:41.000 I mean, I do think when we got arrested, the protesters were trying to, it did look like they were trying to disperse.

01:54:48.000 They had, they had walked down the block and we're sort of roaming in different directions and then we're not allowed to leave, you know?

01:54:55.000 Um, so I think it really depends on the city.

01:54:59.000 It really varies.

01:55:01.000 Could that have been because they didn't, they didn't want these people to go into like suburban neighborhoods or even just other neighborhoods?

01:55:07.000 I mean, I have no idea.

01:55:10.000 There were about 50 who were corralled in our section, which isn't a huge number when you think about it, compared to some of these other places we've been to.

01:55:21.000 But I do think it varies city by city so much.

01:55:24.000 The tactics, too.

01:55:25.000 Yeah, what they do.

01:55:26.000 I'm more likely to get tear gassed in Portland.

01:55:30.000 Or flash banged.

01:55:32.000 And I'm much more likely to get pepper sprayed in D.C.

01:55:34.000 Right.

01:55:35.000 And I have, by the way.

01:55:38.000 And actually, I was hit with a tear gas canister in Portland.

01:55:41.000 Wow.

01:55:43.000 You know, the best shot is in between the protesters and the police.

01:55:46.000 So that's where I was.

01:55:47.000 And as Shelby mentioned, we have to dress down a little bit, especially because if we're wearing press and then they know what press we are, it's not going to be good.

01:55:56.000 So I kind of just shake my gas mask at this guy who's aiming the canister at me and he shoots and hits me and I actually was live on Facebook and I said things that I couldn't say.

01:56:07.000 And actually as I'm bending over he must have reloaded because then I got hit in the leg again.

01:56:11.000 I think I saw that.

01:56:12.000 You posted videos?

01:56:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:14.000 I think I saw that.

01:56:14.000 You can go on my Twitter and see it.

01:56:17.000 But I don't necessarily blame him in that situation.

01:56:19.000 I was at a riot.

01:56:20.000 I could have just gone home.

01:56:21.000 I was there covering what was happening in the midst of it dressed in black.

01:56:25.000 I think New York is actually, you know, for all the complaints people have about the NYPD, I've seen the least amount of heavy handed tactics from NYPD.

01:56:33.000 It's funny you say that because we commented when we were there, the difference.

01:56:38.000 They don't really rely on anything other than just a good old fashioned billy club.

01:56:41.000 And I think that goes back to riots from 200 years.

01:56:45.000 They just grab you and get rid of you.

01:56:46.000 NYPD does not mess around.

01:56:47.000 So when they cleared people out from the whatever we want to call the protest

01:56:52.000 zone, the Occupy City Hall.

01:56:54.000 Oh, you were there for that. Yes.

01:56:56.000 It was it was brief, but there was some good art and some good music.

01:57:00.000 Would you call it a good old fashioned belly club?

01:57:02.000 Yes. That's exactly.

01:57:04.000 I mean, that's literally what it is.

01:57:05.000 And I talked to the NYPD there and they're like, listen, my you know, some

01:57:08.000 Irish guy who says, yeah, my dad did this and my grandfather did this.

01:57:11.000 And they were in this riot and this riot.

01:57:14.000 And so I think actually those tactics, when you actually have just a cop rather than like a shield or something like that, you're less likely to just like, you know, bump into it because that cop is going to swing back.

01:57:25.000 That was wild.

01:57:26.000 I climbed up on the top of a transgender's party bus to get some good footage. 1.00

01:57:31.000 I got yanked off said bus by a big female cop. 1.00

01:57:33.000 I almost fell right on her back.

01:57:35.000 When was that?

01:57:35.000 Months ago.

01:57:36.000 It was early July.

01:57:36.000 right now.

01:57:37.000 I'm like, whoa.

01:57:37.000 I'm 10 feet up.

01:57:38.000 That was not, when was that?

01:57:41.000 Months ago.

01:57:41.000 It was July.

01:57:42.000 Yeah.

01:57:42.000 Wow.

01:57:43.000 It was early July, very beginning July.

01:57:44.000 You know that there's still like a camp in Philadelphia, I guess?

01:57:47.000 Really?

01:57:47.000 Yeah, like does the cities just ignore it?

01:57:49.000 Because they're like, well, they're like, if people want to have a homeless camp, that's not new to the city.

01:57:54.000 So yeah, and they just ignored it.

01:57:56.000 You know?

01:57:56.000 All right, let's see what else we got.

01:57:59.000 Colin Sanders says riders seem to be developing more discipline and determination in the face of opposition.

01:58:04.000 Does that square with what you've seen on the ground?

01:58:06.000 Yes.

01:58:09.000 And we actually, when we were in Louisville last week, some of the organizers were saying, you know, why aren't we doing these things that people in Portland and Seattle are doing?

01:58:18.000 Look at what they're doing and we're not doing that.

01:58:21.000 So they are looking to these other cities and Portland is I mean, absurdly, like militant with their, you know, they they have tactics depending on what the police are throwing at them.

01:58:34.000 They get into these formations.

01:58:37.000 They have weapons or like, you know, shields.

01:58:42.000 It is very more and more organized.

01:58:45.000 The longer it goes on and it goes out into other cities as well.

01:58:49.000 People are watching.

01:58:51.000 Right on.

01:58:52.000 All right.

01:58:52.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:58:53.000 Hydro PX says this dude in yellow said it's about family, but how about, uh, but how, when women are egotistical and want to take the role of the man? 0.98

01:59:03.000 Well, I don't know.

01:59:04.000 Uh, yeah.

01:59:06.000 I think, um, it's 2020.

01:59:08.000 Yeah.

01:59:09.000 It's 2020.

01:59:10.000 It's present year.

01:59:11.000 Nobody out there has like a strong willed mother. 0.99

01:59:13.000 I mean, I mean, what's just because.

01:59:16.000 My mom.

01:59:16.000 Mom, I love you, but you're really strong.

01:59:19.000 We were talking about this last night with Jack Murphy about, you know, feminism trying 0.68

01:59:24.000 to push everyone towards a kind of middle-of-the-road masculinity.

01:59:30.000 So that might be kind of where the comment is coming from.

01:59:33.000 So you basically have like general masculinity is now associated with toxic masculinity,

01:59:38.000 but then you have women being encouraged to take more masculine roles. 1.00

01:59:41.000 So they're basically, like, pushing everything to a slightly masculine kind of space instead of recognizing the contributions of femininity to society. 0.60

01:59:50.000 Yeah, I think part of femininity is also being strong, and I don't know about you guys, but your parents very much are two parts of a whole, and there are definitely feminine characteristics that my dad had that my mom didn't necessarily embody, and vice versa.

02:00:06.000 And so I don't know.

02:00:07.000 I mean, I think just assuming that because it's a masculine characteristic, only a man can embody it.

02:00:13.000 I think that's, that's the mistake there.

02:00:15.000 And that's, you know, I mean, Shelby definitely has a strong, I was talking to Shelby's dad the entire time that she was in jail.

02:00:20.000 I was saying your dad is very, you know, he's very strong willed, but he's also, he's, he's clearly cares.

02:00:27.000 Cause we stayed up all night calling.

02:00:28.000 I only knew my dad's phone number and my mom's phone number.

02:00:31.000 So.

02:00:32.000 Well, he also said to me, he said, um, he said, I said, at least she went down gracefully.

02:00:37.000 And he said, well, yeah, he treated those cops with way more respect than she did me growing up.

02:00:43.000 And then he said, oh yeah, well, it's been six hours and now she's hangry.

02:00:48.000 And now we need to be careful.

02:00:50.000 Oh no, watch out!

02:00:52.000 Appreciate that.

02:00:54.000 Blazin River says, Has DC Riot Squad ever heard of the Capitol

02:00:58.000 bombings and riots in the late 60s and 70s?

02:01:01.000 Whether Underground was responsible?

02:01:03.000 You guys know all about that stuff?

02:01:04.000 Yeah.

02:01:05.000 I didn't, actually.

02:01:06.000 Oh, wow.

02:01:07.000 I need to research that.

02:01:08.000 Yeah, I'm reading about the race riots in the 60s.

02:01:10.000 Yeah, so you're way up to it.

02:01:11.000 I wonder, I won't... No, yeah.

02:01:13.000 Well, I just want to say my parents were in DC in the late 60s, early 70s, and...

02:01:20.000 I think the one thing my mom always says about the difference between now and then is the fact that the protesters at the time, I think, were unified in.

02:01:32.000 It wasn't necessarily, you know, specifically Nixon or I mean, they were obviously anti-Nixon, but it was it was the fact that we were overseas in a war that they thought that we shouldn't be engaging in and things on the home front.

02:01:45.000 I mean, I think.

02:01:47.000 I think there was a lot more I love how the modern left kind of just doesn't care anymore about the Middle Eastern wars and the peace agreements, and it's crazy to me that, like, if, you know, I grew up with war being the biggest issue, and we were talking a lot about this last night, because the liberals just wanted to get rid of George W. Bush.

02:02:13.000 And then as soon as Obama wins, they're like, we don't care anymore.

02:02:15.000 So now we have Trump actually trying to pull our troops out and they're resisting and fighting against him.

02:02:20.000 I kid you not, I was talking to a friend of mine who said, I was like, do you agree with Trump's position on withdrawing troops from the Middle East?

02:02:28.000 And then this is a progressive goes, well, I actually was reading this article from, and she names a very famous neocon, about why we need a presence in the Middle East.

02:02:35.000 And I was like, are you kidding me?

02:02:38.000 If Trump says it, it's bad.

02:02:40.000 If Trump says it, you can't do it.

02:02:43.000 Rage Mage says, to the guests, what has been the scariest situation you've each been caught in so far while covering these riots?

02:02:50.000 I think you told your whole story.

02:02:52.000 I can probably answer.

02:02:53.000 Richie's is probably the shooting.

02:02:57.000 Thumbs up.

02:02:58.000 I was really scared when I got arrested because, again, you know, my mom is a prosecutor.

02:03:03.000 I grew up, like, really fearing law enforcement and, like, breaking the law.

02:03:09.000 And it was also really scary to be in a cell with people where I knew if they found out where I worked, I had no idea if it was going, if it was going to get bad.

02:03:23.000 And then as the hours dragged on, you know, I know you're gonna get out at some point, but it was nerve-wracking because I didn't understand why, as a reporter, you know, I was still in there.

02:03:37.000 And so that was, that was probably, I don't know if it was, I was frustrated.

02:03:43.000 I was very frustrated.

02:03:45.000 But that was scary and anytime you get into a situation which we have where you're surrounded by protesters and they're, you know, targeting you, that's also...

02:03:54.000 Yeah, mine was in Atlanta.

02:03:58.000 I was reporting alongside another reporter, Julio Rosas, and we were at that Wendy's where Rashard Brooks got killed.

02:04:07.000 I believe it was a Saturday night, and we were actually away from the Wendy's.

02:04:12.000 We were next to the gas station, right next to it.

02:04:14.000 Julio, we weren't even talking to anyone.

02:04:16.000 And three men from that vigil step up to us armed and say, are you guys undercover cops?

02:04:25.000 And we're like, no.

02:04:26.000 And then I had my tactical helmet strapped to my backpack.

02:04:30.000 And the guy points at my helmet.

02:04:32.000 He says, that looks like a police helmet.

02:04:34.000 You guys are undercover cops.

02:04:35.000 He then, the guy Julio that I'm with, he's like, He has, you know, he's in the military.

02:04:40.000 So he has that like military style.

02:04:41.000 Yeah.

02:04:42.000 So they're like, Oh, this guy's in the military.

02:04:43.000 You guys are undercover cops.

02:04:45.000 Then, um, they're all armed.

02:04:46.000 And then they go, if you want to see the vigil so bad, we'll take you.

02:04:50.000 And me and Hulu were like, no, we're okay.

02:04:52.000 We're actually going to get an Uber.

02:04:53.000 And no, we're fine.

02:04:54.000 And they're like, no, let's go.

02:04:55.000 So there, so now three armed individuals are taking us into this vigil where no white people are allowed.

02:05:00.000 And basically there's no, it's a no cop zone.

02:05:02.000 So people were like, photographers were getting beat up there.

02:05:05.000 And as they're taking us to this vigil, the armed guys are screaming at other gang members that they think we're undercover cops.

02:05:13.000 So now we're basically getting crowded by all these gang members and all these people.

02:05:18.000 And now we're at the vigil and me and Julio are lying.

02:05:21.000 We're like, hey, this is our first time here.

02:05:22.000 We'll leave right now.

02:05:23.000 We don't even want to be there.

02:05:24.000 And they didn't let us leave.

02:05:25.000 And someone, a female, steps up and yells at Julio and goes, I seen you guys here yesterday taking pictures and all that stuff.

02:05:33.000 So luckily, the guys who walked us in basically took us out and threatened us.

02:05:38.000 They were like, hey man, you guys better leave this vigil.

02:05:40.000 We see you again here tonight. 1.00

02:05:43.000 We're going to shoot you guys. 1.00

02:05:44.000 All this stuff. 0.99

02:05:45.000 And basically me and Julio walked away.

02:05:46.000 And me and Julio looked at each other and said, we're buying our ticket to DC tomorrow.

02:05:49.000 We are done.

02:05:50.000 We are done with Atlanta.

02:05:51.000 Dude, I didn't know that was going on in Atlanta.

02:05:52.000 That's crazy.

02:05:54.000 That's what I was saying.

02:05:55.000 Literally one week later is when that eight-year-old girl got shot and killed at that vigil.

02:05:59.000 Wow.

02:06:00.000 Well, man, it's been two hours.

02:06:01.000 You guys want to shout out your social media so that people can follow you when you're covering the next riot?

02:06:06.000 Yeah, my Twitter is just Shelby Talcott.

02:06:09.000 Pretty simple.

02:06:10.000 My Instagram is T-A-L-C-O-T-T.

02:06:15.000 And then my Instagram is S-B-Talcott.

02:06:18.000 Blackburn, middle name.

02:06:21.000 Then my Instagram is Jorge Ventura TV, posting all our stories there.

02:06:27.000 Then follow me on Twitter too at Ventura Report.

02:06:29.000 Obviously live tweeting all that good stuff.

02:06:31.000 Then Mr. Richie McGinnis.

02:06:33.000 Mine's easy.

02:06:34.000 It's just Richie McGinnis.

02:06:35.000 R-I-C-H-I-E-N-C-G-I-N-N-I-S-S. 1.00

02:06:39.000 You looked like you weren't sure.

02:06:41.000 What?

02:06:43.000 I'm quite sure, yeah.

02:06:44.000 I look like a what?

02:06:44.000 Oh, yeah, no.

02:06:45.000 Well, because, you know, I'm Irish.

02:06:47.000 What's my social media?

02:06:48.000 Do you guys want to mention anything else before we wrap up or anything?

02:06:53.000 I mean, I just wanted to say, you know, thank you to you guys because, you know, Shelby and Richie and I, we've been just really working hard this summer, like trying to get this content out to people, to folks.

02:07:04.000 And we do appreciate, you know, you guys coming on.

02:07:06.000 And I mean, you guys having us come on and share at least our stories and perspective.

02:07:10.000 And hopefully there's other Americans who are maybe looking for this type of media to say, hey, you know what?

02:07:15.000 Let's check him out.

02:07:15.000 And I still think a lot of Americans don't know what's happening.

02:07:18.000 I still meet people every day who are like, hey, just saw your tweet from Portland, had no idea that was happening.

02:07:23.000 I was like, man, that was like two months ago now.

02:07:25.000 So we just appreciate you guys giving us a platform to to share this experience.

02:07:29.000 I think a lot of frontline journalism don't get this opportunity.

02:07:32.000 And I think it's interesting, too.

02:07:34.000 People can hear that you guys aren't overtly partisan, you know?

02:07:37.000 I think that's great.

02:07:38.000 But I think people are still going to try and... There's no middle anymore, you know?

02:07:42.000 So they're going to say, if you're being honest about what's going on on the ground, that means you're going to be saying things that's going to make people angry at Antifa.

02:07:49.000 They're going to accuse you of being right or whatever, you know?

02:07:52.000 You know what?

02:07:53.000 That's their journey, as my college coach used to say.

02:07:56.000 Right on, right on.

02:07:57.000 Silence is violence.

02:07:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:59.000 I forgot.

02:08:00.000 Yeah.

02:08:01.000 Well, everybody else, thanks for hanging out.

02:08:03.000 You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast.

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02:08:10.000 Don't forget to smash that like button.

02:08:12.000 We'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.

02:08:13.000 We'll be hanging out and talking news again.

02:08:15.000 But seriously, all of you guys, thanks.

02:08:17.000 This was great.

02:08:18.000 I really appreciate it.

02:08:19.000 Thank you.

02:08:19.000 Getting some actual perspective from some on-the-ground reporters.

02:08:22.000 And I'd love to have you guys back because, you know, obviously throughout the next couple of weeks, it's probably going to get crazy.

02:08:26.000 So if there's ever any, you know, big stories, come on back and we'll talk about it.

02:08:31.000 We'll cover it.

02:08:31.000 But thanks for hanging out.

02:08:33.000 Everybody else who's watching, thanks for hanging out.

02:08:35.000 And we will see you all tomorrow at 8 p.m.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 01, 2020

Timcast IRL - Leftists Threaten More Riots As Election Draws Near, DC Riot Squad Is Here

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