Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - LIVE From TPUSA AMFest w- Tucker Carlson, James O'Keefe, Charlie Kirk

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00:03:16.000 thank you everybody for being here I'm your host Tim Poole of TimCast IRL.

00:03:37.000 Thanks for coming and let's bring out our panel.

00:03:42.000 There we go, we got Ian Crossland.

00:03:44.000 Next up, what am I talking about?

00:03:53.000 The suspense.

00:03:55.000 Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.

00:03:57.000 Yeah, Freedom Tunes!

00:03:58.000 I love you!

00:04:05.000 Here we go, we got Luke Rutkowski of We Are Change.

00:04:08.000 And here he is, Charlie Kirk from Turning Point USA.

00:04:21.000 Thank you.

00:04:27.000 And honoring us here at TPUSA once more, it is an honor and a privilege Tucker Carlson is back to join us!

00:04:35.000 **Cheering** Charlie Couric, thanks for having us back on stage.

00:04:49.000 Thanks, man.

00:04:49.000 It's amazing to have you.

00:04:50.000 Absolutely.

00:04:51.000 It's wonderful.

00:04:52.000 It's amazing to see so many people.

00:04:53.000 And we'll get into it with everybody here.

00:04:56.000 This is a big year-end show for us.

00:04:59.000 We've got Donald Trump's approval rating.

00:05:01.000 His polls against Joe Biden are through the roof.

00:05:03.000 In swing states, he has a tremendous advantage with voters who did not vote in 2020.

00:05:08.000 Joe Biden is in the gutter.

00:05:10.000 And so we're looking at political victory right now.

00:05:13.000 We're looking at cultural victories with the likes of Public Square, building the parallel economy, with Angel Studios and their movies, and of course, with a massive crowd and what we're seeing here at Turning Point USA.

00:05:23.000 So the big question is, with all of this success and all this hope right in front of us, what can we expect next year and what do we do to keep the momentum up and avoid losing it?

00:05:33.000 I think we're going to, the best thing to expect is equal response.

00:05:36.000 You're going to get an equal and opposite response.

00:05:38.000 So we've got to think clear and we've got to have slippery minds and willing to do new things that have never been done before, awesome new technologies, things that people won't be expecting, and implement them fast like Uber was implemented.

00:05:48.000 Yeah, I think one thing conservatives have to be very careful about here is not assuming that we're going to have a victory because everyone was talking about the red wave day in and day out without us actually coalescing around a central message and because the only thing we had to say was we're going to win rather than putting forward a strategy for doing so we ended up getting clobbered and I'm worried that we have the potential to see that happen again in 2024.

00:06:11.000 I don't know if I would, I know a lot of people felt like it was a clobbering with the midterm, but I think while we do see tremendous cultural victories, I'll give a shout out to Benny Johnson here, that amazing clip that I saw on X, where he was shouting out this massive audience and showing the lack thereof for some other leftist personalities.

00:06:30.000 While I think we certainly are doing really well culturally and winning the hearts and minds of people, I think what a lot of people missed in 2020 and 22 was winning elections is not just about convincing people to vote, it's who counts the votes.

00:06:43.000 And that's my concern now going into 2024.

00:06:45.000 We can sit here and talk about polls all day and night.

00:06:48.000 Are we going to have the procedure behind us to actually win?

00:06:51.000 I mean, you're talking about Electronic Voting Man, you need to know what that software code is. 0.88

00:06:55.000 Because if it's trick and shit behind the scene, maybe I can say that in this audience, you know what word I'm talking about. 0.99

00:07:01.000 Charlie, kick him out! 0.99

00:07:01.000 We need to be prepared. 0.99

00:07:03.000 I think that demanding open source or free software voting like code, like AGPL3, so at least we can look at the code.

00:07:09.000 It doesn't mean that people can't hack into it, and that might still be an issue, but at least we know that the machines are doing what they're supposed to do.

00:07:15.000 If we're going to use those.

00:07:16.000 Yeah, I mean, no serious country, no country serious about democracy would ever use an electronic voting machine.

00:07:22.000 And many don't.

00:07:24.000 Because anything digital can be manipulated.

00:07:26.000 Look at Wikipedia.

00:07:27.000 Look at the internet, where entire portions of history are now gone.

00:07:31.000 So I would, I mean, I would just demand that we have no electronic voting machines.

00:07:34.000 Why would you even want to worry about that?

00:07:35.000 But I would say that You don't want to give the other side credit for being straightforward or honorable, because they're not.

00:07:44.000 And so it's not a question of convincing anyone.

00:07:46.000 The argument against Trump in 2020 wasn't, a wall is bad, you can't make that argument.

00:07:52.000 The argument was, you know, he's a bad person.

00:07:55.000 And then we had COVID.

00:07:57.000 Which of course was the kind of pivotal fact of that election.

00:08:00.000 So I think you have to assume if we have another pandemic or a war, particularly a war between now and election day, that is either, you know, an intentional act to subvert our democracy or it certainly will be harnessed for that use.

00:08:18.000 So I just wouldn't assume that it's going to come at you straight and head on.

00:08:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:24.000 Yeah, we have to understand people don't relinquish power peacefully.

00:08:27.000 The establishment has a lot of power that they're abusing right now.

00:08:30.000 We're dealing with criminals.

00:08:32.000 We're dealing with individuals that have committed psyops, that have committed horrible atrocities on the people of the world, that have started wars, that have started literal gene splicing, chemical, biological warfare against the people.

00:08:45.000 So we have to understand there's going to be something that's going to be happening here that we should be absolutely paying attention to. 0.99

00:08:52.000 As we're dealing with essentially a multi-trillion dollar propaganda machine, but it is being wrecked by shit posters and memes. 0.98

00:09:00.000 It is being destroyed by individuals speaking truth to it. 0.99

00:09:03.000 It is being destroyed by individuals coming together, coalescing, and saying enough is enough of this bullcrap.

00:09:08.000 I am done.

00:09:08.000 My life has value.

00:09:10.000 I am standing up for myself.

00:09:11.000 I am standing up for this country.

00:09:12.000 And that is a danger to the establishment that they fear.

00:09:16.000 And in that fear, we're dealing with a cornered animal.

00:09:19.000 That cornered animal is dangerous, and they could act out in many different ways.

00:09:23.000 They're capable of anything.

00:09:24.000 They're capable of something that we can't even imagine.

00:09:27.000 Luke's just cranking it right up to 11 right when we get started, so I can respect that.

00:09:30.000 But in terms of what Tucker was just mentioning about war, I'm hearing a lot of talk about a potential full-scale war with Russia as something that could potentially subvert us in 2024.

00:09:40.000 Well, war means war powers for the people waging the war.

00:09:44.000 So, these are people who think only in terms of power, acquiring it, preventing you from having it.

00:09:49.000 So, they see it... I mean, you see war in terms of its human cost or maybe its geopolitical effect.

00:09:54.000 They see war in terms of their own fortunes and their own power.

00:09:57.000 So, the second we're out war, and there's a long history of this in the West, when war broke out in 1940 in England, the government, later run by Winston Churchill, our hero, put the opposition party in prison with their families

00:10:11.000 where they stayed without charges.

00:10:12.000 And that's been, you know, that's been abstained. It's gone as a fact, but it's that actually

00:10:17.000 happened. So don't underestimate the ability of a government at war to use its new powers to crush,

00:10:23.000 criminally crush its opponents. There's a, there's a journalist by the names of,

00:10:27.000 name of Steve Baker, who is a contributor to the blaze, who has tweeted that he, he was

00:10:32.000 instructed to turn himself in tomorrow for charges related to January 6th. This guy,

00:10:38.000 you see a picture of him, he's wearing a suit, he's got glasses, he looks like your,

00:10:41.000 your quintessential journalist.

00:10:43.000 Richie McGinnis, who's a friend of ours and also a journalist, who worked for The Caller, said this guy is unambiguously a journalist, and he told them only a few months ago, they'll never arrest you for this, but now they're doing it.

00:10:51.000 So how about no?

00:10:52.000 I mean, when is the first person going to stand up and say, this is fake, this is political, I'm not submitting?

00:10:58.000 I mean, I don't know, at some point they're going to force people to do that.

00:11:00.000 Everyone in this room believes in the system, grew up in the system, was proud of the system for its unique fairness, globally.

00:11:06.000 Unique.

00:11:06.000 No system was fairer than ours.

00:11:08.000 And that's the main thing that we were proud of as Americans, and no longer is.

00:11:11.000 And it's transparently political, particularly January 6th stuff.

00:11:14.000 There's like, it's been three years, this is insane.

00:11:16.000 And so, someone at some point is going to be like, I don't know, you're going to have to Ruby Ridge me because I'm not playing along.

00:11:22.000 That's worrisome.

00:11:23.000 It is worse, but I'm saying, like, why does everyone pretend like this ghost system, which is merely sort of a, you know, a gross, grotesque imitation of its former self, still is real?

00:11:36.000 It's not real.

00:11:37.000 You're speaking my language.

00:11:38.000 Everybody knows what two words I want to say, but I'll throw to Charlie instead.

00:11:41.000 No, I mean, look, the empire is going to strike back in 24.

00:11:43.000 What that looks like, we don't know.

00:11:45.000 And in 20, they did declare war.

00:11:46.000 That's what COVID was.

00:11:47.000 COVID was a domestic declaration of war that gave unelected bureaucrats unlimited power to change the voting laws.

00:11:52.000 and they're gonna try to do it in 2024. Probably a foreign war,

00:11:57.000 but who knows? And we have to be prepared for that. If we want even a chance to win,

00:12:00.000 and people ask all the time, do you think we're gonna win?

00:12:02.000 I have no idea.

00:12:02.000 Well, these rules are all still in place?

00:12:04.000 Yeah, I mean, mostly.

00:12:05.000 You had a Russell Malin voting?

00:12:06.000 We've minorly changed some things in Georgia, Wisconsin, some things.

00:12:10.000 Arizona has gotten worse, actually. We've gotten less secure in our elections here.

00:12:14.000 And also, let's not kid ourselves. There's probably going to be a PSYOP.

00:12:18.000 There's probably going to be a false flag.

00:12:20.000 We're living through one.

00:12:21.000 There's probably going to be a I think they had a lot of things down the pipeline, but they know they can't get away with it.

00:12:27.000 is going to be critically important.

00:12:29.000 And this is why I think there's such a massive effort to take down Twitter, to take down

00:12:33.000 Rumble, to take away people's ability to call out the PsyOps in real time, which are happening

00:12:37.000 right now.

00:12:38.000 And I think the system is kind of scrambling because I think they had a lot of things down

00:12:42.000 the pipeline, but they know they can't get away with it.

00:12:45.000 It's a very dangerous gambit that they're playing right now.

00:12:48.000 And I don't see things going well, the longer this goes on and the more that we don't know

00:12:53.000 what the future is going to be in front of us with as...

00:12:57.000 They're desperate.

00:12:59.000 Waiting around is not the solution, because if we just petition them to, hey, please stop electronic voting, we can't see the code, please give us the code, it's not going to happen.

00:13:05.000 We need to build systems that are better.

00:13:07.000 Or in parallel, like, we could vote legitimately on the machine, or wherever, and then on a blockchain, voluntarily.

00:13:15.000 It would just take a lot of us to do it.

00:13:17.000 And then we could check and see if they're accurate.

00:13:19.000 And that would be one way to move forward.

00:13:21.000 This is tough.

00:13:22.000 I mean, I agree with what you're saying.

00:13:24.000 I agree with what Tucker was saying.

00:13:25.000 Yeah, let's not have electronic voting machines.

00:13:27.000 Open source the code, do whatever you gotta do.

00:13:29.000 But there's a practical question of what can we do right now with less than a year in front of us?

00:13:35.000 The best thing is use X and Twitter because it's obviously a threat to them.

00:13:40.000 They wouldn't want to shut it down or go after Elon if it wasn't working.

00:13:42.000 The greatest hope we have in 2024 is we have a sliver of the public square back that we didn't have in 20.

00:13:48.000 And that's why they're going to try to either indict Elon or they're just going to try to crash Twitter through a DDoS attack or some sort of foreign threat.

00:13:54.000 They're going to try to take Twitter down by the summer.

00:13:56.000 The EU is going after him now.

00:13:59.000 People are saying things on Twitter that you're not allowed to say.

00:14:02.000 And they're going very viral very quickly, and public opinion is changing too rapidly.

00:14:06.000 Can I just point out, I think it was Dave Smith who pointed this out to us on the show, that before Elon Musk purchased X, if you said men are not women, you would be banned.

00:14:17.000 That actually happened.

00:14:19.000 I mean, it is quite remarkable, to be fair, the gains we've gotten back.

00:14:23.000 I mean, it's a tremendous loss for the fact that we could not say on one of the biggest social media platforms in the world, men aren't women.

00:14:29.000 They actually banned Meghan Murphy for saying that.

00:14:32.000 Just that.

00:14:32.000 It's very innocuous.

00:14:34.000 I find Twitter is a vulnerability at this moment.

00:14:36.000 The way it's built, the centralized system.

00:14:38.000 So if we can decentralize that thing into a protocol and still use it and it's fast enough, there's still issues with like Nostr where sending video is slow, but it doesn't mean it's always going to be slow.

00:14:47.000 We can use mesh networks so that if we all have Twitter on our phone and four of our phones go down, the other two are going to keep the network going.

00:14:55.000 That, you know, what Turning Point USA is doing right here is one of the most important things.

00:14:58.000 Thank you.

00:14:58.000 Bringing people together.

00:15:00.000 People are meeting each other all throughout this building and even in the streets, even at restaurants.

00:15:03.000 Yes.

00:15:04.000 That culture building is the most important thing because, as we all know, it's been quoted 50 billion times, Andrew Breitbart, politics is downstream from culture.

00:15:12.000 Someone told me this is like the RNC now.

00:15:15.000 This is basically, why not just, this is the RNC, de facto.

00:15:19.000 I take that as a compliment.

00:15:22.000 You might have meant it as an insult.

00:15:24.000 Would you call the RNC Tucker?

00:15:25.000 It's like NATO. 0.98

00:15:25.000 It sucks huge amounts of cash and demands attention and does nothing useful. 0.98

00:15:29.000 Time to abolish it! 0.99

00:15:31.000 And it subverts Poland. 0.69

00:15:34.000 No, I, uh, yeah, comparing anything to the Republican National Committee or convention is just, it's an ugly slur.

00:15:41.000 It's an ugly slur!

00:15:42.000 I'll take it as what the RNC shouldn't be doing.

00:15:44.000 I gotta say, you know, having been around this stuff my whole life and spent my whole life in Washington, the true corruption of the Republican Party, I don't know, it just took, I was like 10 years behind on that.

00:15:55.000 Speaking my language.

00:15:56.000 But now that I see it, I'm like, I can't believe this exists.

00:16:00.000 Because, by the way, in some ways it's more offensive than the Democratic Party because it's lying.

00:16:03.000 The Democratic Party is just like, we're here to hurt you.

00:16:06.000 And belittle you, of course.

00:16:09.000 But the Republican Party pretends to be on your side.

00:16:11.000 They're like quizlings, but they're literally... The Republican Congress just allowed the Biden administration to spy on Republican voters.

00:16:21.000 So, like, is there a bigger sign of the fact that they hate you every bit as much as the Democrats?

00:16:26.000 What I love about this, though, is I agree with you.

00:16:28.000 However, if you are on the, how would I describe this, the lower end of the IQ bell curve, you don't understand what it is Democrats are saying they're doing.

00:16:37.000 So, for instance, when they say they're going to have free trade, that's good for everybody.

00:16:40.000 When they say we're going to increase environmental regulations and increase taxes, to the average person, they're like, this is good, it makes the rich pay their fair share.

00:16:48.000 But to anybody who knows anything, They're like, hey, wait a minute.

00:16:52.000 This is going to drive all of our manufacturing base overseas where they can ship their products back for dirt, pay people in China dirt, and have no environmental regulations. 0.98

00:17:01.000 So this is why Trump takes actions when he did in his first term that resulted in a lot of manufacturing coming back.

00:17:07.000 But see, we can understand that. 0.98

00:17:08.000 And I'm not trying to be too much of a dick.

00:17:10.000 But there's a lot of people who don't understand the basics.

00:17:13.000 And I'm sorry, but sometimes I do argue with them on X. And they say, you know, I remember this one conversation where a guy said, you know, food comes from the store.

00:17:21.000 And I said, yes, but where does that food come from?

00:17:23.000 He says, what do you mean?

00:17:23.000 It comes from the store.

00:17:24.000 And I said, my God, help me.

00:17:26.000 I'll help you.

00:17:27.000 I was there for that conversation.

00:17:28.000 I was like, what do you mean milk's coming from the store?

00:17:31.000 And I'm like, there's a supply chain.

00:17:33.000 I think you got to build trust.

00:17:34.000 And it's challenging with someone you disagree with, but if they trust you,

00:17:36.000 they're more willing to change their mind about the things you're saying.

00:17:39.000 And you mentioned Tucker about learning about the corruption of the Republican party.

00:17:42.000 And I kind of watched it in real time on TV in 2006, 7, 8, when we were, the Iraq war was kind of lit up.

00:17:48.000 And I remember you were into it.

00:17:50.000 It seemed like you were on the side of the Republican, like George Bush.

00:17:52.000 and the movement and then what John Stewart came on one day and you guys

00:17:55.000 just had it out and it was like humiliation he's like please stop

00:17:58.000 harming America but the way you were looking at him was like really listening

00:18:00.000 to him was that was that a moment? No I thought and I still think that he's in

00:18:05.000 mediocrity and and I think time has proven me right on that.

00:18:10.000 Absolutely. But what's interesting is that by that point I mean this is not

00:18:14.000 even interesting at But my views on Iraq, which I had a daily TV show leading up to that war, and I had kind of endorsed it, sort of half-heartedly, against my better instincts.

00:18:24.000 But I did.

00:18:25.000 I did.

00:18:25.000 I did that.

00:18:26.000 I've felt ashamed about it ever since.

00:18:28.000 And then I went to Iraq in December of 2003, 20 years ago this month.

00:18:32.000 And I watched the whole place fall apart, and I won't bore you with the details, but I realized that everything I'd advocated for was a complete lie.

00:18:39.000 That this was a disaster that could only hurt my country, which is the only country I really care about.

00:18:44.000 And, by the way, it eliminated the entire Christian population of Iraq, which I guess we're not allowed to say.

00:18:50.000 But if you're a Christian, you should care what happens to Christians globally. 0.64

00:18:52.000 And I must say, they do bear the brunt of almost all of our foreign policy.

00:18:56.000 And no one says that.

00:18:57.000 It's happening now.

00:18:58.000 Happened in Syria. 1.00

00:18:59.000 And it's like, shut up! 1.00

00:19:00.000 You're not allowed to notice that! 1.00

00:19:01.000 Why?

00:19:02.000 I'm a Christian.

00:19:03.000 And I care about other Christians.

00:19:04.000 Why wouldn't I?

00:19:05.000 And they do wind up bearing the disproportionate harm in our foreign policy adventures.

00:19:12.000 And you have to ask yourself, why is that?

00:19:15.000 Honestly, I don't know the answer, but it's super evil.

00:19:19.000 Well, I feel like a large component, and I think you were saying this earlier, if not the component of what the culture war is, is the destruction of Christianity.

00:19:27.000 Of course!

00:19:28.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:19:30.000 The destruction of Christianity, there's also a destruction of innocence. 0.68

00:19:33.000 Americans, unfortunately, will look at our foreign policy as if it's something entirely removed from our cultural realities and attitudes, but the truth is we have promoted a callous disregard for human life over the course of decades because abortion was legal nationwide across this country prior to the overturning of Roe.

00:19:51.000 And if you think sending women the message and mend the message that they can wage war against their 0.99

00:19:56.000 own unborn children does not have effects on the global stage

00:19:59.000 and that a person who doesn't have to care about the life of their unborn child is supposed to care about children in

00:20:03.000 Gaza or Yemen, you're out of your mind.

00:20:05.000 Yeah.

00:20:06.000 But unironically, a lot of these neocons, they're usually pro-life, even though they want to start World War III and

00:20:12.000 they want to send their kids to fight a foreign war.

00:20:14.000 But that's why they're pro-life.

00:20:15.000 They need more babies to go send to war. 1.00

00:20:17.000 Well, yes, I think that's also a component to it, but there's also a lot of hypocrisy because a lot of the chaos that was created by this foreign policy was deliberate.

00:20:25.000 Dick Cheney in 1991 was specifically talking about why we can't get rid of Saddam Hussein because if we do, it's going to create chaos inside of the Middle East. 0.92

00:20:34.000 It's going to kill the Christians. 1.00

00:20:35.000 It's going to kill all the different sectarian Muslims there that are going to be fighting each other. 1.00

00:20:40.000 It's going to make Iran more powerful in the region. 1.00

00:20:43.000 It's going to create a vacuum.

00:20:45.000 And they did it.

00:20:46.000 They knowingly did it after 9-11.

00:20:47.000 The Republicans After 9-11, we're on the wrong side of history.

00:20:52.000 And they set up the institutions and the apparatuses that are now going after their other fellow Republicans and putting them in jail.

00:20:59.000 And that's a hypocrisy that needs to be called out.

00:21:01.000 And those people in that party need to be purged.

00:21:04.000 That's right.

00:21:04.000 And there needs to be consequences for the actions that they've taken.

00:21:07.000 They have literally done everything they could have possibly done with the role that they had to destroy our country and ensure that the people do not have a prosperous future.

00:21:14.000 And what happens?

00:21:14.000 I mean, we put all of the decision-making in the hands of people who pay no price when they're wrong.

00:21:18.000 I want to throw back to what you were saying, Tucker, about, you know, you being on the wrong side of that and you, you know, regretting it and all that stuff.

00:21:25.000 I think everybody here now agrees, and this is why they tremendously respect you, and it's because you say things that are true, you learn things, and then you correct yourself, you evolve your opinions, and here you are, you know, many of us, we've watched you for so long, and you take a look at the other conservatives in the establishment with the rise of Donald Trump, and what did they do?

00:21:43.000 All of a sudden now, they're indistinguishable from Democrats.

00:21:47.000 They're the antithesis.

00:21:49.000 They are the people who said, I don't care what's true or correct.

00:21:51.000 I care about what grants me political power.

00:21:53.000 And now we're looking at old neoconservatives who have effectively joined the Democratic Party or super PACs that are going after Trump.

00:22:01.000 And my favorite thing is when Trump, in 2020, after they announced Biden wins, you have groups like the Lincoln Project saying, oh, our fight's not over.

00:22:09.000 It was never about Trump.

00:22:10.000 Well, it's just a Democrat super PAC with old Republicans now saying whatever Democrats want to hear to make money.

00:22:16.000 But I do think it, yeah I agree with every word and I work for some of the people that you're referring to and it's horrifying to me to see them change but I do think a lot of it has to do with what's going on inside them and they won't admit when they're wrong and that's a tragedy for the country but it's also a tragedy for them.

00:22:34.000 There's nothing better for you, there's nothing more liberating, there's nothing more joy inspiring than being able to admit when you're wrong.

00:22:42.000 It frees you from the burden of the mistake that you made.

00:22:45.000 That's totally real.

00:22:46.000 You don't have to be a religious person to believe it.

00:22:48.000 It's the basic precept of AA.

00:22:50.000 It's the basic precept of all true liberation movements begin with you admitting that you're probably not a super great person and you don't have unlimited power.

00:22:59.000 It starts with you being honest about yourself.

00:23:01.000 And if you can't do that, you are in a prison.

00:23:04.000 And that's why they're all so fearful.

00:23:06.000 Every word is measured.

00:23:08.000 They're afraid of saying the wrong things.

00:23:09.000 Why?

00:23:09.000 Because they're afraid of being exposed.

00:23:11.000 If you tell the truth, you have no such fear.

00:23:13.000 You're not afraid at all, because you're out there.

00:23:15.000 You don't even care. 0.99

00:23:16.000 And if you hurt someone's feelings, if you say something stupid, which you will definitely do, you just apologize for it, and it's better. 0.96

00:23:22.000 It's like, I don't understand.

00:23:23.000 It's like not a hard concept, and no one in DC can do it.

00:23:27.000 Yeah, humility.

00:23:28.000 It's a blessing to be able to be humble.

00:23:29.000 It's the greatest blessing!

00:23:32.000 There's also a big distinction here that I think is very important to kind of call out here because when we have these two sides, we have the establishment and we have the anti-establishment, the bigger distinction is one side is a bunch of bloodthirsty neoconservatives that want war and death and murder.

00:23:49.000 The other side wants, of course, none of that.

00:23:52.000 They want peace.

00:23:54.000 They are anti-war, principally anti-war.

00:23:56.000 And for years now, there has always been an attack, no matter who you are, if you are anti-war.

00:24:02.000 And I think this is a key issue that's going to be very important for this election cycle, because I do think something in Ukraine, something in Europe is going to be that galvanizing, New Pearl Harbor-like event.

00:24:12.000 And I think we need to speak up more, be more anti-war more than ever, because this is the key crux issue.

00:24:18.000 And for years, Bill O'Reilly previously called me a jihad-loving liberal.

00:24:22.000 When I was criticizing the war.

00:24:24.000 Chris Matthews, when I was criticizing the war a couple years later, called me a right-wing racist teabagger.

00:24:28.000 You've got a great resume.

00:24:29.000 I didn't change on my philosophy.

00:24:32.000 I didn't change on my point of view.

00:24:33.000 I have always been anti-war.

00:24:35.000 I have always been anti-establishment.

00:24:37.000 The system has always been pro-war, and that's the big distinction here.

00:24:41.000 You're living through a realignment that's promising, and Tucker, you helped lead it.

00:24:45.000 You're sitting in a room that, watch this, we should not send one more dollar to Ukraine to that go-go dancer named Zelensky.

00:24:55.000 I never should have sent him a single dollar.

00:24:57.000 You're sitting in a conservative event that is applauding for something.

00:25:04.000 This has all been realigned.

00:25:05.000 It's all changed.

00:25:06.000 That an event like this, that would have been predominantly conservative, would have, 20 years ago, been totally on Team Neoliberal, and every thinker would have, maybe there might have been a little bit of contrarians here.

00:25:15.000 And, Tucker, what do you make of that?

00:25:17.000 That all of a sudden, the home of not just America First, but skepticism about these foreign wars and adventures now lives in the conservative movement.

00:25:24.000 Well, I think it, of course, it's mostly Trump who did that.

00:25:26.000 And I was just, the pivotal moment in the last election, in the 2016 election, that changed my view of everything, was the night of the debate in Greenville, South Carolina, when Trump said, you know, that we didn't get anything out of the Iraq war.

00:25:39.000 It was a mistake.

00:25:40.000 And I remember all the dumbos on television.

00:25:42.000 I mean, covering politics is the easiest thing you could ever cover, right? 0.87

00:25:46.000 And so these are really, these are mouth-breathers.

00:25:48.000 These are low IQ people.

00:25:49.000 And they immediately like check the notes.

00:25:51.000 Oh, South Carolina is the highest military population per capita of any state.

00:25:55.000 And so they all look at, oh, he said that in South Carolina.

00:25:58.000 He criticized the Iraq war.

00:25:59.000 He's going to get creamed in the primary.

00:26:02.000 And I thought the people I know, having been in Iraq and a lot of people served there, the people who are maddest about the Iraq war, the people whose lives were disrupted or ended or severely injured by that war.

00:26:13.000 And of course he won.

00:26:14.000 And it was at that moment, he won the South Carolina primary, it was at that moment that they decided, Bill Kristol and the rest of the ghouls, who were starting to think about how to subvert this campaign and, like, draw its energy for their own dark ends, they decided, oh, well, we have to stop him, you know, and that's when the realignment happened on the left, where Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol, all these people whose core problem is they could never admit that the great adventure of their life, the Iraq war, was wrong.

00:26:36.000 They could never admit it.

00:26:37.000 And if they just admitted it, I mean Liz Cheney has lived with this burden, and she's obviously a bloodthirsty freak, but one of the reasons that she is a bloodthirsty freak is that she's never been able to be honest about her own complicity in this crime. 0.98

00:26:49.000 And if she would, she would be totally free of all that, and she'd be like a normal human being who her husband could love again, and it would just be all good.

00:26:55.000 But she can't, and they're all like that!

00:26:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:58.000 She was raised by one.

00:27:00.000 Well, there's that.

00:27:02.000 The family business is invading other foreign countries.

00:27:04.000 Oh, I know.

00:27:05.000 And displacing millions of people lying about it.

00:27:08.000 But who would go into that business?

00:27:09.000 Like, who would want that?

00:27:11.000 Only a severely damaged person.

00:27:13.000 Like, the problem is inside them.

00:27:15.000 I just think that's true.

00:27:17.000 They're trying to accrue resources and it's either that they're trying to get the oil out of the Middle East or the poppies out of the Middle East.

00:27:23.000 They want fuel.

00:27:24.000 So this is why I push a lot of hydrogen and like redevelopment of our hydrogen industry at home so that we don't need to go steal resources elsewhere.

00:27:30.000 The problem then is trade routes.

00:27:31.000 They want to trade route into India through the Mediterranean and they want to secure this.

00:27:36.000 That's a tough one to not... Ian, you're being too logical here.

00:27:42.000 Yeah, so I just want to make a point here about the conservative anti-war movement and why I'm so optimistic about it. 0.68

00:27:47.000 I'm a firm believer that an effective anti-war movement has to be conservative.

00:27:51.000 Because when you look at the things people fight for, the things that motivate people to enlist, it's God, country, and family. 1.00

00:27:57.000 And when the left is anti-war, the way they discuss it is, God, country, and family are stupid and you were an idiot for fighting for those things. 0.99

00:28:05.000 And what conservatives can say is, those things are valuable, those things are good, you're a brave and good person who was manipulated by liars who don't care about those things, and we're using you to profit. 1.00

00:28:15.000 Well, I do think you're half right, Seamus.

00:28:18.000 What I often hear... It's better than usual.

00:28:20.000 Better than usual.

00:28:21.000 When the left talks about anti-war, there are people I know I've had conversations with, and I'll make sure I carve out respect for them, but typically it's, this war is an affront to family and faith and stability in the economy for the other country. 0.99

00:28:38.000 America sucks. 0.99

00:28:38.000 We hate America. 0.99

00:28:39.000 America should be funding these things. 0.98

00:28:40.000 A lot of this is not for profit.

00:28:41.000 A lot of this is not for strategic American goals.

00:28:44.000 I don't think these people care about America.

00:28:46.000 These people literally go to the Bohemian Grove and do mock child sacrifices.

00:28:49.000 They literally do spirit cooking where they take bodily fluids and try to summon demons. 0.92

00:28:54.000 They literally go to private islands where they hurt little babies and children in unspeakable ways that we can't even mention here on this particular freaking broadcast. 0.98

00:29:03.000 These are evil, sinister human beings that I truly do believe are worshipping a larger outside entity, a satanic evil entity. 0.85

00:29:12.000 It sounds reductive to say that, but if you look at everything they do, it doesn't add up until you put in the kind of spiritual aspect to this.

00:29:19.000 They have been hijacked, they are not real souls, they are individuals serving the greater evil.

00:29:23.000 I changed my answer to that.

00:29:24.000 I want to ask a very quick question of everybody.

00:29:27.000 OK, Seamus, have you ever been arrested?

00:29:29.000 Oh man, why are you going to ask me that here?

00:29:31.000 Yes.

00:29:32.000 You haven't?

00:29:32.000 OK.

00:29:33.000 Tucker, have you ever been arrested?

00:29:34.000 I've been taken into custody twice.

00:29:36.000 Charlie, no?

00:29:37.000 OK.

00:29:38.000 Have you ever been detained?

00:29:39.000 No.

00:29:39.000 You ever stopped in question?

00:29:41.000 Uh, in Israel, yeah.

00:29:42.000 Okay, uh, that means, and we, and Ian, you've only ever been detained?

00:29:46.000 Yeah, my buddy had weed in the car.

00:29:47.000 That means for everyone here on the stage, you have served- Hey, you missed me.

00:29:51.000 Oh, I know, we know you've been arrested.

00:29:52.000 Seven times for journalism.

00:29:54.000 Okay, this means- I got arrested on the way here.

00:29:55.000 That everyone here has, has done more time in any context Then anyone on the Epstein client list for the Epstein client list.

00:30:04.000 It's like the liberal economic order, man.

00:30:06.000 It's the least worst world order.

00:30:07.000 Shout out to Owen Schroer for making that point.

00:30:09.000 But this is the issue that brings people together.

00:30:11.000 And I want to kind of change this conversation a little bit, because if you look at left, right, center, everyone agrees, hey, what they were doing for decades with the FBI covering up child abuse when the witnesses and people came to them and said, hey, this is happening, police officers, judges, prosecutors, politicians, celebrities, media moguls

00:30:31.000 all played a part in it.

00:30:32.000 Meghan McCain said that literally everyone in Washington knew what was going on.

00:30:37.000 Everyone was afraid of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:30:40.000 This is this is something that will bring everyone together and make people understand,

00:30:43.000 hey, the system is rotten.

00:30:45.000 It's corrupted and it can't be fixed until we deal with this one single issue.

00:30:49.000 We've not only have heard these stories of Epstein, the Lolita Express. 0.83

00:30:54.000 Madison Cawthorn made some allegations.

00:30:57.000 Madison Cawthorn was right.

00:30:58.000 Was right, because we all saw, as much as you probably didn't want to, that video out of the Senate, was the Hart Building hearing room floor, which was very disturbing.

00:31:06.000 And I do hope they decontaminate that building.

00:31:09.000 I mean that sincerely.

00:31:10.000 He should be arrested.

00:31:11.000 What he did was worse than what 99.9% of people on January 6th did.

00:31:16.000 And he should be arrested and put in federal prison.

00:31:18.000 I think it's worse than what 100% did.

00:31:20.000 I'm not beating a police officer.

00:31:22.000 There's a couple people that did, but yeah.

00:31:23.000 Well, it is a desecration of the space.

00:31:25.000 I mean, most January 6th people, I've interviewed a lot of them, as you have, and they're all, I mean, they were there because they believe in the system, because they all had pocket constitutions, they thought it was real, and they were so shocked to see their election stolen, which obviously it was, and that they marched on the Capitol.

00:31:42.000 But they were there to uphold the system, and some did it imperfectly, and some got out of hand, of course.

00:31:47.000 But this guy is there to degrade it, to defile it, on purpose.

00:31:52.000 Like, there's no reason to do that in a hearing room.

00:31:55.000 And to post it on the internet.

00:31:57.000 Let's make this distinction here, as it pertains to January 6th.

00:31:59.000 There were people who were violent.

00:32:01.000 That's bad.

00:32:01.000 You should be held criminally responsible if you're attacking cops.

00:32:04.000 I agree with Charlie.

00:32:05.000 There were people there who were let in by the cops.

00:32:08.000 But knew that something violent was happening.

00:32:10.000 But more importantly, I've spoken with many people who showed up an hour after any violence, cleared roads, no gates, doors wide open with cops smiling, welcomed them in and took selfies, and those people, I've met two of them, they're going to prison for 18 months.

00:32:25.000 And they said, I showed up an hour later, it's a clear sidewalk, we walked up, there are people milling about, cops open the door, we're shrugging, we walk inside for a few minutes, we walk out, no idea anything ever happened, next thing we know the feds are at our door.

00:32:38.000 These are not people who even, as you described Tucker, these are people who are just there to see Trump speak and happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

00:32:44.000 So how about no on that?

00:32:45.000 I mean when is some, honestly, I mean I don't, we don't want to put anyone in jeopardy, but like until people say we're just not playing along with this anymore, obviously Congress isn't gonna help.

00:32:53.000 You know the problem, I think...

00:32:54.000 We talked before about religion.

00:32:55.000 Christianity is like the battlefield of the culture war, and you were talking about demonism and Satanism creeping into the culture in a lot of ways. 0.57

00:33:01.000 I think one of the problems with Christianity is that it encourages people to be subservient to a church, and then therefore subconsciously they become subservient to a government.

00:33:09.000 Like, why aren't they saying no?

00:33:10.000 Well, a man has as many masters as he does vices, and the reality is you're a slave to something, and if you choose to be a slave to God as opposed to the government, you will be the most difficult possible man to conquer.

00:33:20.000 But it's the way they define God.

00:33:22.000 You've got to be aware that they're not manipulating.

00:33:24.000 We didn't define God, he told us who he was.

00:33:25.000 I think, and I think Ian... I agree.

00:33:28.000 But I don't disagree with Ian's point, but I think it would have to be refined in that there are people who masquerade, pretend, or don't truly understand, and would use faith to manipulate others.

00:33:38.000 I mean, we see this in government, especially when Democrats claim to be the real Christians, but then say the church is in favor of, say, abortion or something like that.

00:33:46.000 Yeah, and obviously I'm speaking from a thoroughly Protestant perspective, but my reading of Christianity, just like the text, does not at all indicate loyalty to a church.

00:33:57.000 It indicates fealty to God.

00:34:00.000 And so, first of all, it's not incompatible with being a citizen at all.

00:34:06.000 I think Christians make the best citizens, actually, and you can absolutely support your government and support your God.

00:34:11.000 But if it comes down to it, if your government is actively opposing God, You really do have to make a choice between those two masters.

00:34:18.000 And I'll make a quick point.

00:34:19.000 Sorry, Charlie.

00:34:19.000 I'll make a quick point and shout out our good friend, Bill Maher, because it's a point I've made frequently that whether Bill acknowledges or not, as an atheist, his moral framework is built on Judeo-Christian values this country was founded on.

00:34:29.000 Does he say that now?

00:34:30.000 He doesn't, but it's a fact.

00:34:32.000 Well, Tom Holland wrote the book called Dominion, where he's an atheist secularist who said that we all have a Christian inheritance, whether you like it or not.

00:34:39.000 That's absolutely right.

00:34:40.000 Absolutely.

00:34:41.000 Bill Maher believes in free speech.

00:34:42.000 He believes in innocent until proven guilty.

00:34:44.000 Those are all Christian values.

00:34:45.000 Christian values and, you know, I wanted to explore years ago why the Founding Fathers decided upon these amendments to the Constitution and the framework as it was, and you learn a lot about how the Bible influenced their views of what is just and moral.

00:34:59.000 So just to, at the surface reading, you might say, oh, you know, Christians aren't supposed to fight back against tyranny.

00:35:05.000 Exodus 1, the midwives to the Hebrews.

00:35:07.000 It disobeyed the order of Pharaoh, where they said, throw all the babies in the river.

00:35:10.000 They said, no, we're not going to do that.

00:35:11.000 And God said, dealt well with them, it says in Exodus 1.

00:35:14.000 Daniel 6, Daniel disobeyed the order, says, you can't pray anymore.

00:35:17.000 He says, nope, I'm going to keep praying.

00:35:18.000 And he opened up the window and prayed proudly, and it ended up in the lions' den.

00:35:21.000 In Acts, it says, you obey God, not man.

00:35:23.000 So throughout Christianity, we have seen, honestly, one of the most successful movements against tyranny are when Christians are brought to a breaking point.

00:35:33.000 Christians can be very agreeable, and then as soon as that snaps, disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God.

00:35:41.000 I want to shout out Seamus real quick, when he said you'd be the most difficult man to conquer, and this is exactly why I think there is such a tremendous push against anything that is related to Christianity, because these are people who follow God, who obey God, and you need someone to beholden to a man, because a man can change the rules at any moment.

00:36:00.000 Yeah, well, and so you guys, I know you mentioned you're coming at it from a Protestant perspective.

00:36:03.000 I'm the resident Catholic here, so I have a different perspective on the church, but I will say part of the reason I appreciate you so much and the things that you've said on air is because even though you're an Episcopalian, you're somehow like the most Catholic commentator on air.

00:36:16.000 I find the things that you say about like economic justice and also social conservatism tend to line up very closely with the political values that I have as a Catholic, but I would say that Of course, as Christians, we should be good citizens and obey civil authorities when they are not asking us to do something evil.

00:36:34.000 But as soon as you're commanded to do something evil, you have to resist that.

00:36:38.000 Yeah, the scriptures are very clear about that.

00:36:40.000 You obey God and not man. 0.67

00:36:41.000 And the church tradition is very clear about that.

00:36:43.000 Tucker, you made some very interesting comments recently that has been going viral all over social media when you were specifically talking about UFOs.

00:36:52.000 And you were specifically talking about something that is Hard to kind of really understand here.

00:36:58.000 I was wondering, what's your kind of take on all of this?

00:37:01.000 Because I see this as a spiritual war.

00:37:03.000 Do you see this as a spiritual war?

00:37:06.000 What are your kind of core belief systems when it comes to addressing the larger evils of the system?

00:37:10.000 Well, you know, as I so often do, I spoke incompletely.

00:37:13.000 I didn't fully explain myself.

00:37:15.000 In the clip that you're referring to, which like eight people have sent me, in outrage that I basically said there are things that I know that I won't say.

00:37:22.000 Which, of course, is not exactly right.

00:37:23.000 I don't know.

00:37:24.000 I mean, I can't prove it.

00:37:25.000 And I really do try to, like, say things that I really believe are true and are provably so.

00:37:31.000 And so that's kind of my hesitance.

00:37:32.000 If I had facts, I would say them.

00:37:35.000 It's my personal belief, based on a fair amount of evidence, that they're not aliens.

00:37:40.000 They've always been here.

00:37:42.000 And I do think it's spiritual.

00:37:43.000 That's my view.

00:37:45.000 And again, it's not provable, but based on On the evidence, I think.

00:37:49.000 I'm with you.

00:37:50.000 Well, the military has been working in this realm for a very long time.

00:37:54.000 They have been also trying to weaponize it.

00:37:57.000 There's also a lot of crazy experiments that they did with DMT, hooking people up essentially to DMT IVs, having people go off into the spiritual realm.

00:38:05.000 So, if you're not paying attention, you don't understand that there's a larger kind of energetic frequency and battle happening.

00:38:13.000 But can I say one thing?

00:38:14.000 If the U.S.

00:38:15.000 government has in fact had contact, direct contact with these beings, whatever they are,

00:38:20.000 I've already told you what I think they are, and has entered into some sort of agreement

00:38:23.000 with them, which is the claim of informed people, I would say, whether they're right

00:38:28.000 or wrong, I can't say conclusively. But if that is true, I mean, it's a very, very, very

00:38:33.000 heavy thing. A lot of people say interdimensional beings.

00:38:37.000 I want to ask, are angels and demons, or how would you describe these beings?

00:38:40.000 You know, these are, again, I'm getting into the realm of conjecture, so I just want to

00:38:44.000 say that flat out. Entity?

00:38:46.000 But one thing I know for a dead certain fact, having seen it, is that there is good and

00:38:52.000 evil that we are being acted upon at all times. And I think every person can feel that in

00:38:56.000 himself. I mean, there are moments when you are moved to do things that are much better

00:39:01.000 than you actually are, and that are also more evil and destructive than you actually are.

00:39:05.000 You are subject to forces from outside yourself. That is absolutely true. Now, we can argue

00:39:10.000 about what they are, but every person in the room, if he's reflective, will tell you, yes,

00:39:13.000 I know what you're talking about. And so, there are forces that are not human, that

00:39:19.000 do exist in a spiritual realm of some kind, that we cannot see, and that when you think

00:39:25.000 about it, sort of make you think we live in an ant farm.

00:39:27.000 Yeah. Right? And that's just, that is real.

00:39:30.000 Yeah. And there's many artists also talking about how essentially what they do in their

00:39:35.000 greatest works of art is usually done through channeling.

00:39:38.000 Of course. And there is an aspect of this that makes By the way.

00:39:43.000 Yeah, but we haven't made anything good.

00:39:47.000 By the way, every artist will tell you that.

00:39:49.000 Every artist.

00:39:50.000 That something happened, that they're not themselves, that they just were doing their art, and then something just went through them.

00:39:57.000 And it's not just visual arts.

00:39:59.000 It's every creative act brings you closer to something outside the human realm and you

00:40:04.000 can feel it, whether it's woodworking or writing or painting a painting or writing an opera

00:40:10.000 or writing a rap song or whatever.

00:40:11.000 Anything that is true and beautiful or anything that is dark and destructive is almost certainly

00:40:17.000 a product of forces acting upon you and you can feel it.

00:40:20.000 God created us to participate in creation with him, to participate in his creativity

00:40:25.000 That's right.

00:40:26.000 And since everyone here is cool, I'll say this.

00:40:29.000 With respect to demons and spiritual forces, there's a priest who was laicized towards the end of his career.

00:40:35.000 He's relatively controversial, but he was an exorcist by the name of Malachi Martin.

00:40:39.000 And one thing he said about exorcism cases is that in films you see all of these over-the-top portrayals of heads spinning and vomiting, and he said when it comes to things like vomiting and all of these supernatural visual indicators of possession, that those are the cases that are the most mild because the soul's trying to fight back, and with forms of perfect possession, the most dangerous forms of possession, you can't tell when you look at the person.

00:41:01.000 Because they're perfectly content with the evil thing they're doing.

00:41:03.000 And then you look at the way people in D.C.

00:41:05.000 act, you look at the way our political leaders act, and you go, is it that much of a stretch to say some of these people... This is not some crazy outsider belief!

00:41:11.000 Jesus performs exorcisms in the Bible!

00:41:13.000 Like, this is not something that... And does it make you wonder that no doctor has ever been able to explain where exactly schizophrenia comes from? 0.80

00:41:20.000 I bet it's parasites.

00:41:21.000 And that we cannot treat it, we can suppress it, but we cannot treat it.

00:41:26.000 And there's no kind of baseline for it, at all.

00:41:29.000 Science has not penetrated schizophrenia, so like, what is that?

00:41:31.000 Parasites.

00:41:33.000 And that's because, in my view, as a 28-year-old cartoonist who knows basically nothing about the world, but if I would be so bold as to speculate on this, I think part of that is the problem with psychology is it doesn't take into account that the human person is a body-soul composite.

00:41:46.000 And that you are not just chemical reactions happening at the level of the brain in a series of tangled up pathologies that produce certain behaviors and states of consciousness.

00:41:54.000 You have a soul.

00:41:55.000 There is a spiritual component to you that can be acted on by outside spiritual forces.

00:41:59.000 When I was younger, 18, 19, 20, I very much fell into this, there is no good and evil.

00:42:04.000 It's competing interests.

00:42:06.000 Some people think the other person's evil because their interests don't align and they have different worldviews.

00:42:10.000 And as I got older, especially with the past eight years, my worldview fundamentally changed.

00:42:17.000 And there's one man I owe a great deal to for revealing to me the evils of the world.

00:42:22.000 That's Adam Schiff. 1.00

00:42:23.000 He is a liar, a cheater, a deceiver, a manipulator. 1.00

00:42:25.000 I mean, I was so shocked to see this guy on TV lie in the way he does to destroy. 1.00

00:42:30.000 And I call him out because it's an easy name to throw mud at.

00:42:34.000 But there are so many people that I'm shocked to see, particularly on the left with liberals, and now the neocons have joined them, who I'm shocked when I'm like...

00:42:42.000 These people know they're lying.

00:42:44.000 They know what they're doing will drive us to a path of destruction.

00:42:48.000 For what logical purpose?

00:42:50.000 None.

00:42:50.000 And let me give you a quick story.

00:42:52.000 When I was at Occupy Wall Street, this was one of my formative moments.

00:42:57.000 Here I am, 25 years old, really still kind of believing a lot of, you know, good and evil is subjective, and I met someone who worked for a major media corporate press publication who explained to me, as they write and support the movement, they were nihilists.

00:43:10.000 And so their intention was to watch the world burn down.

00:43:14.000 And I'm not exaggerating.

00:43:15.000 They said, nothing matters.

00:43:17.000 You can prove nothing.

00:43:18.000 So wouldn't it just be fun to watch it all burn?

00:43:20.000 And I said, no, that's horrifying.

00:43:22.000 If nothing matters, make your purpose and make things better and make things beneficial and make it flourish.

00:43:29.000 And that's when I started to think to myself, this person's writing for a major corporate press outlet.

00:43:33.000 And it starts to come into clearer picture for me as I'm seeing this throughout my career.

00:43:38.000 There actually are people who are legitimate malicious evil, whose intention is to cause suffering to others.

00:43:44.000 And I think, fair point, you look at serial killers and other crazy people, there's real evil in this world.

00:43:49.000 There's more sociopaths per capita in Washington DC than anywhere else in the world.

00:43:54.000 That's not an accident, okay?

00:43:56.000 These are the people that you put in charge of your life and this is where I come as an anarchist and once again try to remind all you amazing people the solutions are usually within you taking personal responsibility for yourself.

00:44:09.000 If you give the government even a niche, you give them anything, they will absolutely take it and abuse it for their own personal benefit.

00:44:15.000 I want to get to Seamus' point here really quickly because what you talked about Some people talk about frequency, some people talk about energies, some people describe it as souls.

00:44:22.000 I do agree.

00:44:23.000 You do have a frequency, but you decide where that frequency goes, how it's affected, what its impact on the world it will have, and that choice is everyone's.

00:44:34.000 And I think the more we start looking at ourselves and how we could be better and less government intervening in our lives, then the true change will happen in our society when we no longer will need government.

00:44:45.000 Let's talk about 2024.

00:44:47.000 We've got polls claiming Nikki Haley is doing very well and gaining ground.

00:44:51.000 Not that I think she will defeat Donald Trump.

00:44:53.000 You guys like Nikki?

00:44:54.000 That's right, there you go.

00:44:56.000 Fan favorite.

00:44:56.000 No fan.

00:44:57.000 You guys aren't fans?

00:44:58.000 And it's unsurprising.

00:44:59.000 I mean, somebody goes on stage and advocates for war and lies about the intentions of Russia as it pertains to Ukraine.

00:45:04.000 She's an accomplished woman and you should stop insulting her.

00:45:07.000 And Vivek Ramaswamy has a problem with women for calling out That was a Chris Christie quote, by the way.

00:45:12.000 I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

00:45:13.000 He said that at the debate.

00:45:15.000 However, I was asked a difficult question last night, because I think it was Steve Bannon who said Trump's going to choose a woman.

00:45:21.000 And with the polls that are coming out there, someone asked me, would you vote for Trump if he chose Nikki as VP?

00:45:28.000 Would you guys vote for Trump?

00:45:29.000 That's the question that I asked you specifically.

00:45:32.000 I would not only not vote for that ticket, I would advocate against it as strongly as I could.

00:45:36.000 Wow.

00:45:38.000 That's just poison.

00:45:39.000 I mean, here's someone who's actively opposed to the interests of the country I grew up in, who endorsed the BLM riots, and who is not left, but is neoliberal in the darkest, most, speaking of nihilist, nihilistic way.

00:45:55.000 And has no real popular support, is a creature of the oligarch, so yeah, that would be reason to oppose the ticket.

00:46:01.000 Even Trump?

00:46:02.000 Haley is a no-go. 0.99

00:46:04.000 Nikki Haley... He would get assassinated immediately if that were the case.

00:46:08.000 Yeah, and by the way, I just can't imagine a world where that could happen.

00:46:11.000 That would be so crazy.

00:46:14.000 I mean, anything could happen, of course, but picking Nikki Haley... 1.00

00:46:18.000 Who's utterly treacherous and utterly dismissive of the interests of Americans.

00:46:24.000 It's a no-go for me, but it's a yes for Black Rock and State Street.

00:46:27.000 I really do love her.

00:46:28.000 Don't forget Vanguard.

00:46:29.000 But I want to turn the question to everyone here, and just really quickly, who would you guys like to see as Trump's VP?

00:46:36.000 He knows what he's doing.

00:46:38.000 I know what they think.

00:46:41.000 I have the straw poll results.

00:46:43.000 Before the straw poll results, let's just go around.

00:46:45.000 Who do you want to see as VP?

00:46:47.000 I'm a big fan of Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:46:49.000 Charlie?

00:46:52.000 I'm sitting next to who I think should be vice president.

00:46:54.000 Me?

00:46:56.000 I mean, I agree with you.

00:46:57.000 I'd vote for that.

00:46:59.000 I think Tucker makes a lot of sense for vice president.

00:47:02.000 I've said it publicly, I'll say it privately.

00:47:06.000 I mean I... But the case... I kind of like Vivek.

00:47:09.000 I think he's one of those people who... Everyone beats up on Vivek for being he's a phony and all this stuff.

00:47:16.000 I don't know.

00:47:17.000 I've covered a lot of campaigns going back to 1992 and I've noticed this thing in many candidates and I noticed it in him.

00:47:24.000 The process of running for president and speaking three times a day and having people throw hostile questions in your face causes you to change.

00:47:32.000 They all change during these campaigns.

00:47:33.000 Like for real.

00:47:34.000 Inside.

00:47:35.000 And I feel like Vivek's positions have gotten much more sincere since the beginning of this.

00:47:41.000 I watch him with Nikki Hale and I'm like, this is a guy who's very offended by her views, like for real.

00:47:46.000 He's not attacking her because she's a woman, he's attacking her because he actually thinks her views are terrible for the country he lives in.

00:47:51.000 And I love that.

00:47:53.000 So is that a no, you're not gonna...

00:47:56.000 No, I mean, it's like the weather.

00:47:57.000 I can't control that.

00:47:58.000 I don't think I'd be that great at it.

00:47:59.000 Well, who do you want to see as VP?

00:48:00.000 So I think, you know, we talked a bit about this for a long time and often have entertained Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:48:07.000 But then when Trump Carlson popped up, we all kind of lit up like, that would be amazing.

00:48:13.000 But I think it's because...

00:48:15.000 When we were talking about DeSantis so long ago, it was because we were looking for someone who was less the wild card.

00:48:20.000 Trump is a very strong personality.

00:48:22.000 And we were looking for someone that would be a stabilizing force.

00:48:25.000 Vivek is very much like that.

00:48:28.000 Ron, I think his campaign has kind of been very poorly run.

00:48:31.000 I'm trying to be nice here.

00:48:32.000 And then we look to Tucker Carlson.

00:48:35.000 Tucker, you've got your finger on the pulse probably better than anybody else in the country.

00:48:39.000 I don't know about that, but I do care about the country.

00:48:41.000 I know the country pretty well.

00:48:43.000 Very well.

00:48:44.000 Very well, actually.

00:48:44.000 It's like the one thing I know a lot about.

00:48:46.000 And I think that kind of disqualifies me right there.

00:48:49.000 But can I just ask a question since you all are so on the internet and like I'm not that much. 0.97

00:48:55.000 You really get the sense that Ron DeSantis, who I liked as governor, Uh, the people who represent him online are the nastiest, the stupidest, and the most zero-sum people I've ever seen in my life. 0.86

00:49:07.000 And I don't think that reflects him, but it's like, this is kind of small ball. 0.97

00:49:11.000 And by the way, these purported conservatives, Ron DeSantis changed his view, and I like him, okay?

00:49:15.000 I think he's been a good governor, I just want to be clear about that.

00:49:17.000 I know him personally, I like him.

00:49:19.000 But his donor, Ken Griffin, told him to change his view on Ukraine from it's a regional conflict we shouldn't get involved in to it's a super important thing we should send more money.

00:49:29.000 One donor got him to change his view and all these so-called conservatives are supporting that like it's the most important thing ever.

00:49:35.000 Like who are these people and what is their problem?

00:49:37.000 Like what is going on with them?

00:49:38.000 It does reflect on Ron because Ron should have fired the people running his campaign a long time ago.

00:49:44.000 Look, I respect that he wanted to launch his campaign on X, on Twitter Space at the time.

00:49:48.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:49:49.000 And it failed miserably.

00:49:50.000 This is a mistake.

00:49:51.000 And now you've got, look, I know a lot of people groan, but a lot of people laugh at the high heels, you know, boots scandal.

00:49:57.000 I mean, who's giving this guy advice and why does he keep taking it?

00:50:00.000 Because I will say it politically and policy-wise, we love Ron DeSantis.

00:50:05.000 Yeah.

00:50:05.000 He's done an amazing job.

00:50:06.000 I agree.

00:50:06.000 But his campaign is a train wreck.

00:50:08.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 Well, and so I can speak to this just having experienced some of the supporters online.

00:50:15.000 So you're supporting DeSantis?

00:50:17.000 That's literally what I'm saying, of course, thank you.

00:50:19.000 No, so with the DeSantis situation, again, I know people who work for his campaign who are good people who I really like, but that said, I have not gotten more angry, petty pushback from anons online ever for pushing back against any politician than I have when I've made comments about DeSantis that were really pretty benign.

00:50:40.000 I remember when he was announcing his campaign, one thing I said is, you know when i see trump tear de santis apart or make fun

00:50:48.000 of him it doesn't thrill me the way him destroying jeb bush thrilled me 0.96

00:50:51.000 because i think of both trump and the santa's are successful that's good for the

00:50:54.000 republican party and it's a shame that they've been pitted against i agree with

00:50:58.000 that yeah and

00:50:59.000 i said that and i said here's the reality about the status I should have been agreeing with everything he was saying in his campaign speech when he first announced, and I was bored to tears, and they need to get somebody to help him with his delivery so he can be more charismatic, because that matters to people.

00:51:13.000 I think that's a pretty benign piece of constructive criticism, and I was just flooded with angry replies from his followers, and it was so strange to me, because I've said far harsher things about other Republican candidates, and I have not experienced even a small fraction of the pushback.

00:51:26.000 They're madder at you than Joe Biden.

00:51:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:29.000 What is that?

00:51:31.000 By the way, as someone who has generally liked Trump, I've made fun of and pushed back against Trump too, and my fans who really like Trump enjoyed it.

00:51:39.000 They thought it was funny or they agreed.

00:51:40.000 I've made fun of Trump all the time.

00:51:41.000 That's okay.

00:51:42.000 He's a person.

00:51:43.000 Exactly.

00:51:43.000 No one is God, okay?

00:51:45.000 Lighten up a little bit.

00:51:47.000 My conspiracy theory is that the people online are actually Trump supporters masquerading as DeSantis supporters to just make everybody hate him.

00:51:53.000 I'm like, it's the only explanation.

00:51:54.000 I mean, come on.

00:51:55.000 At a certain point, you have to realize, like, we're talking about his campaign staff and his high-level staff.

00:52:01.000 At a certain point, you have to realize what you're doing is failing.

00:52:03.000 I mean, polls are going down.

00:52:04.000 He's being beaten by Nikki Haley in the polls.

00:52:06.000 If you want to trust the polls, I'm like, at a certain point, do a 180, stop.

00:52:09.000 It's not working.

00:52:10.000 But they keep doing the exact same thing.

00:52:12.000 But I'll tell you, I had a realization the other day because I saw this tweet from Laura Loomer, which purportedly came from Christina Pasha, but it appeared to be fake.

00:52:20.000 And I tweeted, no, there's no way this can be real.

00:52:22.000 Christina Bouchard then retweeted a fake version, supposedly coming from Laura Loomer.

00:52:27.000 Now, at this point, it's clearly fake because it was a manipulation on what Laura had posted. 0.99

00:52:31.000 So I call that out, saying, these people are the scumbags they claim the Trump people are. 0.94

00:52:36.000 And I get this pushback where they say, you seem to have ignored the fact the Trump campaign did this first. 0.99

00:52:41.000 I go, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:52:42.000 I figured it out.

00:52:43.000 Laura Loomer is not the Trump campaign.

00:52:45.000 She's Trump's biggest fan.

00:52:46.000 She does a lot of work in support of Trump.

00:52:48.000 But she is outside of the campaign, and she is not on the same level as Trump's campaign staff and press secretary.

00:52:54.000 Christina Bouchard for Ron DeSantis is his second-in-command, who is acting on the internet as though she is on the same level as Laura Loomer is, despite Laura not being part of Trump's campaign.

00:53:03.000 So, and I'm saying this not to be disrespectful to anybody.

00:53:06.000 What I'm saying is if you are running a presidential campaign but you think your path to victory is to argue with fans of your opponent online, you have put yourself way below the standards of that governor you're representing.

00:53:18.000 One thing I want to point out that might be a possible explanatory factor here, the great and insightful Oren McIntyre said this, so I'll give him credit, but the DeSantis campaign has effectively become a shelling point for all of the elements within the Republican Party that just hated Trump.

00:53:32.000 So even though DeSantis has great policies because they see it as a very us versus him type of thing, a lot of people in the Republican Party who we would agree shouldn't have a place in it have migrated to his campaign and I don't think they've advised him well.

00:53:45.000 It is very clear that there's some ineptitude going around in DeSantis' campaign, but you brought up, Tim, that there's some sort of malfeasance, that people are in there manipulating the scenes.

00:53:53.000 Like, we have AI that could just be twisting people's thoughts about DeSantis constantly, with comments, with retweets.

00:53:59.000 AI could be retweeting other AIs, or even machine learning algorithms that are, like, making him look really bad on purpose, or Vice versa.

00:54:08.000 I mean, it's... Or he has autism.

00:54:10.000 No, no, but let's get into this.

00:54:11.000 Let's get into this.

00:54:12.000 One of the scariest things I think we're seeing now is the potential for what... I mean, Steve Van talks about quite a bit, the singularity.

00:54:19.000 We're getting... Well, let me start from the beginning.

00:54:21.000 There's something called dead Internet theory.

00:54:22.000 Tuck, have you ever heard of this?

00:54:23.000 No.

00:54:24.000 I'd be the last to know.

00:54:25.000 This is this... It's an idea that... He's flexing that he goes outside, by the way.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, right.

00:54:30.000 He's like, you guys look pal enough.

00:54:31.000 Can you answer Internet questions for me?

00:54:33.000 So dead internet theory believes that around 2016 is when we saw a shift from real people

00:54:38.000 on the internet into AI bots and sock puppets.

00:54:41.000 Sock puppets are, you know, one person will run 50 accounts to try and manipulate public

00:54:45.000 opinion.

00:54:46.000 And maybe, maybe Elon Musk is working very hard to get bots off of X to try and create

00:54:52.000 a genuine conversation.

00:54:53.000 But as we're now to the point where we have these large language models, and a lot of

00:54:57.000 them, especially Grok, now Grok is new, the potential that you are not even talking to

00:55:01.000 a person when you're debating online is nearing 100%.

00:55:05.000 I'm curious what your thoughts are on this AI future and with these fears in mind.

00:55:10.000 Well, I mean, it's hard to sort of.

00:55:13.000 Ignore the instinct that we're approaching something horrible and final.

00:55:18.000 I mean, I don't understand how you could, in good conscience, build something like AI.

00:55:25.000 It's so Tower of Babel, it's so transparently... Genesis 11.

00:55:29.000 It's so transparently insane.

00:55:31.000 And of course, we now have reports that the people building it are worshipping it like a god, which obviously it is.

00:55:38.000 And that feels to me like the craziest, most reckless thing people have ever done, and I think the chance that that ends in tears is 100%.

00:55:47.000 Little G though.

00:55:48.000 But also it's like, technological progress, I don't know, we've had quite a bit of it.

00:55:53.000 And this country's become much worse in every measurable way since I was a child with much less technological progress.

00:56:00.000 So, and I'm sorry, I know that we have tech people here.

00:56:02.000 I have friends who are professional technologists and they're very excited about technology.

00:56:06.000 But where's the evidence that it's a good thing?

00:56:08.000 Bingo.

00:56:08.000 I mean, where's the evidence?

00:56:09.000 Even the public health has declined.

00:56:11.000 They used to say, well, at least we'll cure cancer.

00:56:13.000 Okay.

00:56:13.000 But that's not happening.

00:56:15.000 People are getting, we have more cancer actually.

00:56:17.000 obesity, more suicide, more cancer. Exactly, so where, just show me the place where technology

00:56:21.000 in the last 20 years has made people happier. And I don't think there is such a place, so

00:56:28.000 maybe we should rethink our core assumptions about technology. I agree, but I do think

00:56:31.000 we have serious cultural problems and I wonder if, perhaps the argument is a culture will 1.00

00:56:36.000 be destroyed through technology in this way, particularly communications technology.

00:56:41.000 It starts with the printing press, which we say was great, then the radio, it was fantastic.

00:56:45.000 Then television, oh how awesome, and now the internet, it's changed everything, but it does seem like it's becoming noise and static and pure chaos from it.

00:56:52.000 I'm wondering if it is an impossible solution, or if we've just not found the solution.

00:56:57.000 It's a neutral force.

00:56:58.000 It's just like the atom bomb is neutral.

00:57:00.000 I don't agree with that.

00:57:00.000 If it's in the hands of evil, it will be used for evil.

00:57:05.000 Do you really think that?

00:57:06.000 Solve this mystery for me.

00:57:08.000 Creativity pretty much died in the West in August of 1945 when we bombed Hiroshima and then Nagasaki.

00:57:15.000 So, I don't know, maybe I'm the only person who's interested in this, but the death of creativity in the United States is very jarring to me.

00:57:22.000 That's true in literature.

00:57:23.000 Name three great novels written since 1945 in English.

00:57:27.000 Oh, you can't!

00:57:28.000 Name ten great public works projects since 1945.

00:57:32.000 1945 oh not possible something changed fundamentally Since we dropped that bomb and I don't think I'm imagining 0.85

00:57:38.000 and then by the way if you have counter evidence to wreck my theories

00:57:41.000 Please give it to me, but I do think something about the godlike powers of nuclear weapons convince people they are

00:57:47.000 God I think there may be some

00:57:49.000 Spiritual force in effect there, but whatever it is that moment

00:57:53.000 Changed this country in the entire West forever and diminished it forever

00:57:58.000 And I grew up defending the bombing of Japan with the atomic weapons because oh, you know we couldn't deal with 0.98

00:58:03.000 an invasion or whatever And I'm thinking what in what way how insane was I to

00:58:07.000 defend? 1.00

00:58:08.000 Dropping a nuclear bomb on people, if you find yourself defending that, you're a freak. 0.88

00:58:12.000 But I'm wondering if it's not the nuclear bombs, but television. 0.58

00:58:16.000 The expansion of television?

00:58:19.000 I've often half-joked that the 90s was the last decade, and I think it's probably due to the internet.

00:58:24.000 The decentralization of communications through the internet results in no cohesive, visible culture in this country.

00:58:30.000 You look at the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, you see a unique culture that exists in America.

00:58:34.000 Of course.

00:58:35.000 After the 90s with the explosion of the internet, now it's... I gotta tell you, we went to the mall a couple days ago, and this... It really does blow my mind that I see a Hot Topic, and I guarantee you, Jack Skellington is in the window.

00:58:46.000 That's a 30-year-old movie still being sold to kids who have no idea what it is.

00:58:51.000 There's a viral TikTok where a young woman's wearing a Nirvana shirt.

00:58:54.000 I don't even know what this is.

00:58:55.000 I just buy it anyway.

00:58:57.000 It's almost like...

00:58:58.000 Television around that era does something to creativity by homogenizing everything.

00:59:03.000 But we don't understand this.

00:59:04.000 I mean look the creative force is the life force.

00:59:07.000 And by the way, it's closely related to the sex impulse, which ultimately is a creative force to create new people.

00:59:13.000 That's exactly right.

00:59:14.000 So if you see a decline in or a death of the creative force, what you're looking at is death of the culture and or society.

00:59:22.000 And there is no question.

00:59:24.000 Movies are just one manifestation of it.

00:59:26.000 We have seen the death of the creative impulse in the West.

00:59:31.000 And that is like an emergency, a tragedy, a history changing event.

00:59:34.000 And it's never acknowledged.

00:59:35.000 As you were saying that, it clicked for me.

00:59:37.000 It's contraceptives.

00:59:39.000 It is the development of reliable and effective methods of artificial contraceptives and their legalization across the country.

00:59:47.000 I was going to say, get your head out of the gutter.

00:59:50.000 No, it's true.

00:59:51.000 It's a reality.

00:59:52.000 He is Catholic.

00:59:53.000 And this is something all Christians believed a hundred years ago and prior. 0.51

00:59:59.000 One of the most intimate and productive, literally productive things human beings do together, you are collaborating with God.

01:00:07.000 in the creation of new human persons whose souls will last longer than all of the stars in the universe.

01:00:14.000 And we took that and we turned it into playtime.

01:00:17.000 We said, this is for fun, this is for feeling good, this is not about making things.

01:00:21.000 And we thought that wouldn't affect our psychology.

01:00:23.000 We thought that wouldn't strip us of our creative impulse.

01:00:25.000 When we spit in the face of our creator in one of the most fundamental ways,

01:00:29.000 he asks us to collaborate with him in the creation of new things.

01:00:32.000 Let me make it a little bit more secular though.

01:00:35.000 Without people having children, they detach themselves from responsibility, from purpose, and from work. 0.99

01:00:42.000 And now we have these videos of people being like, I'm a dink.

01:00:45.000 I just do nothing. 0.99

01:00:46.000 You've got Chelsea Handler saying, I wake up, do drugs, and masturbate, and then go back to bed. 0.94

01:00:49.000 I don't do anything. 0.58

01:00:51.000 There's no reason for creation. 0.99

01:00:53.000 I bet she doesn't masturbate. 1.00

01:00:54.000 She's too soulless. 1.00

01:00:56.000 Well, for sure, sure.

01:00:57.000 But my point is, I agree.

01:00:59.000 Around this point, when you start getting the lack of, when you have people who intentionally do not have children, you look at a lot of these videos and you see there's a through line.

01:01:09.000 People who don't have kids lean a certain direction.

01:01:12.000 They're not working hard for something because they don't have that responsibility.

01:01:18.000 I think it is TV, man.

01:01:19.000 I think it's TV and now video games.

01:01:21.000 There's a difference between making television and watching it.

01:01:24.000 And if you just sit around and watch it, you're not creating.

01:01:26.000 You might be learning, so you might be creating neural pathways, but really, the creative spark is within you.

01:01:35.000 Or maybe it's just modernity.

01:01:36.000 Wait, but where's the technology in the last, say, 25 years that's elevated people and made

01:01:41.000 their lives better and made them more fully human?

01:01:42.000 I think the internet can, if you can.

01:01:45.000 It has it, and it has it anywhere.

01:01:46.000 If you name an example of where technology and the like, and I will grant you antibiotics,

01:01:51.000 okay, and electricity, great.

01:01:53.000 I have some questions about electricity, but maybe that's even good.

01:01:58.000 And fever suppressants.

01:01:59.000 Give me an example.

01:02:00.000 As this all sort of accelerates exponentially, literally exponentially, the development of

01:02:05.000 technology, has there been any place that you can point to globally where it's been

01:02:11.000 a force for good?

01:02:12.000 I think the decentralization of journalism with the internet has blown the lid on the

01:02:17.000 entire liberal economic orders plans that they've had for the last 30 or 40 years.

01:02:20.000 Yeah, that's good, but that's pushing back against the society that technology created. 0.98

01:02:24.000 But this is the point I wanted to make.

01:02:26.000 It's easy to say, oh, look, we're broadcasting live right now to so many people.

01:02:31.000 Bye.

01:02:32.000 But Tucker's question, what has benefited humanity, I can't say the internet has because it seems to be at best neutral, because it's also been weaponized by deep state elements on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on YouTube, to silence people at the exact same time and create fake news.

01:02:48.000 It doesn't just silence them.

01:02:49.000 It dumbs them down and also bastardizes them. 0.60

01:02:52.000 It also promotes pornography, especially to children. 0.95

01:02:54.000 It destroys their innocence.

01:02:57.000 So I would kind of agree with Tucker here when it comes to this.

01:03:00.000 And a lot of this sometimes has to do with short-term pleasures over long-term pleasures.

01:03:04.000 But I think a lot of it also has a lot to do with a larger chemical castration that is happening systematically of the average male.

01:03:14.000 If you look at sperm counts, they are dramatically going down.

01:03:16.000 The average 22-year-old has lower testosterone than the average 70-year-old in the 1980s.

01:03:23.000 That's not a coincidence, as of course men with low T are more easy to be conquered and controlled and dominated and enslaved.

01:03:29.000 There's a reason that I think there's a larger biological war out there, and whether it's fought with seed oils, or high fructose corn syrup, or with aspartate... Plastic water bottles.

01:03:38.000 Plastic PFA's, forever chemicals, whatever you might call it.

01:03:41.000 There is a direct attack.

01:03:45.000 On your testosterone.

01:03:46.000 Poisoning. 1.00

01:03:47.000 On your balls. 1.00

01:03:48.000 On your frickin' sperm levels. 1.00

01:03:50.000 On your masculinity. 0.99

01:03:51.000 If you're a male, there's nothing toxic about your masculinity.

01:03:55.000 And I think we need to prioritize health.

01:03:58.000 Remember when we were kids and they said, don't eat Butterfinger and Mountain Dew at the same time?

01:04:01.000 It'll lower your sperm count. 1.00

01:04:02.000 We all got scared.

01:04:03.000 Do you remember that one?

01:04:04.000 Yes.

01:04:04.000 I mean, here we are now, and it's like, definitively, you know, the chemicals leaching into your food through plastics do this, and everyone's like, oh, is it really doing that?

01:04:13.000 It's like the benefits outweigh the consequences.

01:04:15.000 It doesn't just give you Bill Gates moobs, okay?

01:04:18.000 It destroys any kind of resistance to the system.

01:04:22.000 He says as he's drinking coconut water from a plastic bottle.

01:04:26.000 He's going to grow some coconuts.

01:04:30.000 For us, back at the studio, we bought reusable glass bottles.

01:04:33.000 Hey, we're recycling, look at that, we're reusing.

01:04:35.000 You refill your glass bottle with filtered water, but also we want to reduce how much plastic we have attached to the food we're eating.

01:04:39.000 But may I suggest one other downside, not to be dark about it, but technology has enabled the creation of a surveillance state that's so out of pace as anything East Germany even attempted. 0.55

01:04:49.000 The net effect, and ask yourself if you thought this recently, is that no one feels free to express unimproved thoughts even in private because you know you're being listened to or that you could be listened to.

01:04:59.000 And what is the effect on the human soul when there's no place for you to honestly express yourself?

01:05:07.000 Liberty is you know, impossible without privacy. You have to have,

01:05:13.000 there was no door in your bathroom or on your bedroom. Would you feel free? Of course not. That's

01:05:17.000 solitary confinement in prison.

01:05:19.000 So the loss of our privacy is not something weird, esoteric thing the ACLU used to care about.

01:05:24.000 It's like, it's foundational. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's absolutely correct.

01:05:31.000 And one thing I firmly believe is that tyranny is fundamentally anti-intimacy.

01:05:36.000 If there are people you trust and have genuinely intimate relationships with, you can tell things, you can share your real thoughts with, Then you are a harder person to control because other people are there to tell you that you're not crazy for noticing things that they're noticing as well.

01:05:50.000 And what we have done with intimacy is firstly we've taken it, we've turned it into a euphemism for sex, and anytime someone has an intimate relationship with a genuine friend, we make jokes about them being homosexual with that person, or if it's a friend of the opposite sex, or Even their spouse, if they have a genuinely loving, caring relationship with their spouse, where they bare their souls out to one another, we see that as strange.

01:06:10.000 That should be somebody you just use for sex, and not someone who you actually have a deep spiritual connection with.

01:06:16.000 And I think that's part of why pornography is so important to those in power, is because it strips one of the most intimate things people do of its intimacy.

01:06:22.000 It's been weaponized.

01:06:23.000 Rather, in the words of Carol Wojtyla, rather than showing too much of a person, pornography shows too little of a person.

01:06:28.000 It strips the human dignity away from the subject.

01:06:32.000 And, again, I will go back to contraceptives.

01:06:34.000 It does it with contraceptives.

01:06:35.000 You're not rolling the dice when you're with this person.

01:06:37.000 You're not rolling the dice and saying, this is someone I'm willing to bring life into the world with.

01:06:40.000 You're making a strong case for the papacy, I have to say.

01:06:43.000 I've always made fun of it.

01:06:44.000 They say that we're in the apocalypse or that we're entering the apocalypse.

01:06:48.000 You want to hear the strongest case for the papacy I've heard, by the way, Tucker?

01:06:51.000 this is from I believe this was Bellic and he said part of the reason I know

01:06:54.000 the Catholic Church is the true church founded by Jesus Christ is because no 1.00

01:06:57.000 organization runs so incompetently for 2,000 years could still possibly survive.

01:07:01.000 It's funny I'm, you know, again, I'm coming at it from some of my closest friends.

01:07:07.000 Some of my closest friends are Catholics, but actually, that's true.

01:07:09.000 And there's so many things that I love about the Catholic Church.

01:07:12.000 But, you know, I'm not the Pope, okay?

01:07:15.000 I'm just not.

01:07:16.000 And so a couple people have pushed me and... Papacy or this Pope?

01:07:20.000 Both.

01:07:20.000 Both?

01:07:21.000 Probably both, but I'll just be honest.

01:07:22.000 I won't offend anybody.

01:07:23.000 I'm just very offended by this Pope, okay?

01:07:26.000 So I've said that to a couple people, close friends of mine who are Catholic, who said, oh yeah, we are too.

01:07:32.000 They're more offended than you, Tucker!

01:07:34.000 Exactly!

01:07:35.000 You know, that's insightful.

01:07:36.000 They're more offended than I am.

01:07:37.000 And I said, well, okay.

01:07:38.000 I was offended by the Episcopal church I left.

01:07:41.000 And I love not being in that church.

01:07:44.000 But they said, no, no, no.

01:07:46.000 The church is far bigger than this guy.

01:07:47.000 We've had a lot of bad popes actually.

01:07:49.000 And I love that attitude.

01:07:51.000 Just saying.

01:07:52.000 Yeah.

01:07:52.000 We're in this thing called the apocalypse, I think, right now.

01:07:55.000 We could be in the end times.

01:07:55.000 And it's like the great revealment, really, is what the term means.

01:07:58.000 And it's like the truth.

01:07:59.000 We talk about honesty.

01:08:01.000 And if you're going to hide and have secrets, is it righteous or just to force your secrets into the open so that now you're forced to be honest?

01:08:07.000 Like a neural net?

01:08:08.000 And we're all honest with each other at all times?

01:08:10.000 Is that too far?

01:08:11.000 Because I kind of agree.

01:08:12.000 Seems like TMI.

01:08:14.000 But the liars, what do you do?

01:08:15.000 I don't even know what a neural net is, but I want to say conclusively I'm opposed to it.

01:08:19.000 Yeah, Elon's working on it.

01:08:21.000 That's why in Christianity, you only want a loving God to know your thoughts.

01:08:26.000 And Nikki Haley wants him to know everything.

01:08:28.000 If an unloving thing sees your thoughts, imagine what would happen.

01:08:31.000 A neural net would be like a brain-computer interface where you're sending commands and receiving commands from machines in real time with your thoughts.

01:08:38.000 Yeah, I'm not going to be an early adapter of that.

01:08:40.000 Well, that's the danger of the AI and the artificial intelligence.

01:08:44.000 As many world leaders said, whoever controls artificial intelligence first will control the world.

01:08:50.000 Vladimir Putin said the country that leads in AI will be the ruler of the world.

01:08:54.000 With this technology, especially with its perpetual growth, there's a lot of threats and challenges for humanity

01:09:01.000 that we need to address immediately.

01:09:01.000 But why doesn't someone blow it up?

01:09:03.000 What freaks me out most about AI is how everyone's so passive in its rise, in the face of its rise.

01:09:08.000 It's like, if you think this thing is existentially dangerous, it could extinguish human society,

01:09:13.000 why doesn't someone blow up the servers? 0.75

01:09:15.000 Well, it's like, oh, there's nothing we could do, and we're very concerned.

01:09:18.000 How concerned are you?

01:09:19.000 It's not only that.

01:09:21.000 There's also a larger possibility that the AI could already be in charge.

01:09:26.000 We haven't thought about that because if it is, the people in charge wouldn't be telling everyone, the AI is here, guys.

01:09:31.000 They would be using it for their own sinister purposes.

01:09:33.000 So I think we could be living in a situation where the AI is having more of an effect on our lives than we could even realize right now.

01:09:40.000 I think you can't blow it up because it's actually, you could knock out servers, but the data itself that writes the code is decentralized.

01:09:46.000 Well then it's an autonomous being and it obviously is not, you can't hand control of human society over to a non-human. 0.93

01:09:54.000 Like I don't, I'm not, I'm a sub-genius and even I get that, so what are we doing?

01:09:58.000 I think the code should be open so that we can see what this thing's doing at the very least, but I think of it as an inevitability like the atom bomb, like whoever gets it first is going to control the planet for 50 years.

01:10:06.000 This is the issue.

01:10:07.000 You have all of these different companies basically agreeing, hey, this thing's going to be really dangerous.

01:10:12.000 But if we don't do it, they will.

01:10:13.000 Right.

01:10:13.000 So we better be the ones in control of it.

01:10:15.000 And you have governments.

01:10:16.000 And you can argue open sourcing the code is too dangerous.

01:10:18.000 If they'd open sourced the Manhattan Project and Hitler built it first, we'd probably all be speaking German right now. 0.91

01:10:24.000 So that's a very real thing, like, secrecy is a valuable tool in global domination.

01:10:28.000 And it's not like you have to try and dominate, but like, if you just sit back behind your walls and wait, someone's coming one day.

01:10:33.000 We don't have walls, is the thing.

01:10:35.000 We don't even have that luxury.

01:10:37.000 We don't have walls to sit behind!

01:10:38.000 You have pods.

01:10:40.000 I don't believe that there is a practical solution, and that is deeply worrisome, because I don't think people truly... You really don't?

01:10:47.000 Like, it's past the point that we can control it.

01:10:50.000 We may be past the event horizon, the point at which the pull towards AI is so great there's no backing away from it.

01:10:56.000 We're being sucked in faster and faster.

01:10:57.000 I think you can go into it with these neural nets.

01:10:59.000 A human that understands the code can go into the system, be in the virtual realm, and reverse-engineer the code.

01:11:04.000 I can see what's happening and how it's being written in real time and change it with their minds.

01:11:09.000 It's true.

01:11:10.000 I would just do it with a keyboard, man.

01:11:11.000 I'm not going into that.

01:11:13.000 This is Elon Musk's argument.

01:11:14.000 We must integrate with the machine lest we get a Terminator-like scenario.

01:11:17.000 Does anyone sincerely think this is going to end well?

01:11:20.000 I mean, honestly.

01:11:21.000 No, but listen, this is the scary thing.

01:11:23.000 This is what people need to understand about the singularity event.

01:11:26.000 When AI, when it actually turns on, when we reach artificial general intelligence... We might be there.

01:11:31.000 And we might be there and just not know it.

01:11:33.000 It's a point at which the machine itself exponentially improves itself.

01:11:39.000 So if the rate of growth for the computer systems that we're building is, say, Moore's Law, it doubles every two years.

01:11:45.000 Once we reach the point of AI singularity, or I guess you could call it artificial general intelligence, it's just straight to the top.

01:11:51.000 Right up to the point of near infinity, where this machine is improving itself, learning faster and faster and calculating faster, and then it's beyond our comprehension.

01:12:02.000 Like, nearly instantly.

01:12:03.000 So the people who created that are evil, I mean, right?

01:12:06.000 And so why are they rich and powerful?

01:12:08.000 I would say it's... Well, many of them, I would argue, there is what I would refer to as the banality of evil.

01:12:14.000 That it is a commonplace endeavor to get a job working for a company that's developing this and having no idea that you are starting the fire.

01:12:22.000 Which could be the destruction of human individualism.

01:12:25.000 I'm with Tucker.

01:12:26.000 The indifference from people that could do something is unbelievable to me.

01:12:30.000 I just... I'm not an expert on it at all.

01:12:32.000 And I'm with Tucker.

01:12:33.000 I don't understand except the possible threat.

01:12:35.000 But why have we not had some form of a government mandated pause on this thing?

01:12:41.000 Because it's not going to stop China. 0.87

01:12:43.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 Okay, so what does that mean?

01:12:46.000 That means that they're going to have their own supercomputer that can then kill their people?

01:12:49.000 No, no, the Western globalists are working in China.

01:12:52.000 Hold on, how are they going to develop AI that they can control?

01:12:54.000 Look, I'm just as frightened about all of it as you guys are, but there are also certain applications that are clearly far worse, that I don't think China's developing, that we are, that we need to stop. 0.97

01:13:06.000 So, for example, I saw somebody posting about an AI dating bot on the internet.

01:13:11.000 Where men who are too scared to talk to women start talking to this thing and it's trained to tell them what they want to hear.

01:13:18.000 And that is going to destroy so many lives.

01:13:21.000 That should be immediately stopped from happening.

01:13:24.000 If civil authorities were interested in promoting the common good, that would be banned.

01:13:28.000 You would not be able to sell that.

01:13:29.000 You would not be able to make that.

01:13:30.000 We actually have a big breaking story about this, and James O'Keefe, waiting on deck to come and talk to us about it, but I know that, Tucker, you want to hang out and keep talking about this.

01:13:39.000 Of course, yeah.

01:13:40.000 Ian, would you mind swapping out with James?

01:13:43.000 Yeah, but I'm going to come out here and rub your shoulders at some point.

01:13:45.000 All right.

01:13:46.000 Ian, we love you.

01:13:47.000 But this is actually perfect timing.

01:13:49.000 James O'Keefe has a big store in IBM.

01:13:51.000 These are computer companies and their views on woke gender ideology.

01:13:55.000 So he's waiting right now if you want to run back and send him out.

01:13:57.000 See you later, everybody.

01:13:59.000 James can probably provide some insights into us as to what these companies are doing.

01:14:02.000 Round of applause for Ian!

01:14:04.000 Thank you, Ian.

01:14:05.000 Chuck, can I?

01:14:06.000 Yeah.

01:14:07.000 He's in?

01:14:08.000 Oh, he's back.

01:14:09.000 Good for you.

01:14:10.000 Good for you.

01:14:11.000 So this actually is perfect timing in this conversation, as we know that James has been putting out these videos, undercover videos, or I believe leaked videos, from IBM talking about their gender ideology commandments and mandates.

01:14:24.000 And let's, hopefully he's out here.

01:14:27.000 James O'Keefe?

01:14:29.000 Are they gonna do something?

01:14:31.000 There he is.

01:14:33.000 James O'Keefe, everybody.

01:14:35.000 What is that, man?

01:14:43.000 It's a bulletproof vest.

01:14:45.000 It's a bulletproof vest.

01:14:47.000 So, James.

01:14:47.000 You got a few enemies, James?

01:14:48.000 You heard what we were talking about.

01:14:50.000 Hello.

01:14:51.000 Hi, Tim.

01:14:52.000 Thanks for coming.

01:14:53.000 Nice to see you.

01:14:54.000 Tucker was asking about the people and the companies behind the creation of these computer systems and AI, and I said, actually, James has some deep insights into what these companies do.

01:15:03.000 Yeah, this, this, well you said it today, Charlie, about the Ten Commandments with Yeah, I said it on PBD's show.

01:15:09.000 I connected all the stories together.

01:15:11.000 Because they're two seemingly unrelated stories.

01:15:13.000 So IBM announces all this AI growth and their stock goes up.

01:15:17.000 And then James O'Keefe reveals that they have the Ten Commandments that govern the values of IBM.

01:15:22.000 And so, basically IBM is telling you that they're creating a woke superweapon.

01:15:26.000 This is so demonic.

01:15:27.000 No, no, that's basic.

01:15:28.000 Exactly.

01:15:29.000 And the Ten Commandments are not, you know, the ten that were revealed to Moses on Sinai.

01:15:33.000 I'm shocked!

01:15:34.000 They're literally like that white people can't be racist, that black people can do nothing wrong, that Ali should... It's literally... It says, quote, understand only white people are racist.

01:15:43.000 It is the woke... Is that an exact quote?

01:15:44.000 That's an exact quote.

01:15:45.000 It is the woke anti-racist decalogue is what that is.

01:15:48.000 And you said something pretty profound.

01:15:50.000 You said that eventually AI will make this the actual Ten Commandments.

01:15:53.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

01:15:53.000 Yeah, I mean, if you think for a second, I mean, Yuval Harari has already said that artificial intelligence is going to rewrite its own religion for Bible stories that, quote, make more sense for people.

01:16:03.000 Wow.

01:16:04.000 Yeah, I mean, of course they need to go after the actual Ten Commandments.

01:16:07.000 It's not going to be honor your mother and father. 0.99

01:16:09.000 It's going to be honor your lesbian black master. 1.00

01:16:12.000 Yamal Harari also said that the era of free will is over. 0.98

01:16:17.000 That's the type of centralized thinking that these individuals are all salivating for.

01:16:22.000 Let's give him more power.

01:16:23.000 Tucker, you said that they were creating a god.

01:16:26.000 They're creating a demon.

01:16:27.000 They're creating a devil.

01:16:28.000 Well, a false god.

01:16:29.000 It's an idol.

01:16:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:16:31.000 No, it's a demon, but what's so interesting is, at least, you know, in the whole management kerfuffle over there at AIHQ, the letter that got him bounced, briefly, from the helm said these people are, like, you know, dancing around the proverbial fire, worshipping this thing.

01:16:49.000 And I'm like, of course they are.

01:16:50.000 Of course they're rituals attached.

01:16:52.000 Yeah, they have the golden calf.

01:16:53.000 No, for real.

01:16:54.000 Just to go off, but it's important.

01:16:57.000 Their stated goal, and Yoval Harari uses Bible stories all the time.

01:17:00.000 That's what's so creepy.

01:17:01.000 He talks about the flood.

01:17:03.000 He talks about the Tower of Babel.

01:17:05.000 Since Nimrod tried to create the city of Babel in Genesis 11, they've been trying to reconstitute a oneness of the government and a oneness of the world.

01:17:13.000 They think artificial intelligence will allow it.

01:17:15.000 It's a one world government that they have always been after.

01:17:17.000 And they're going to do it.

01:17:19.000 That's why God scattered the people.

01:17:20.000 Babel means God confuses.

01:17:22.000 Babel, God confuses.

01:17:24.000 Because God does not want a one world government.

01:17:26.000 He wants nations.

01:17:27.000 And now you add that to the fact that a lot of people think, especially politicians like Netanyahu that believe that we're in the end of times.

01:17:33.000 And when you see his conversations that he has with Elon Musk, especially when it comes to artificial intelligence, A lot of things start to come together when it comes to the time that we are in right now that is going to be absolutely decisive for humanity.

01:17:45.000 We could either be totally free or totally enslaved.

01:17:47.000 That decision might not be ours.

01:17:49.000 I want to talk about one of the first iterations of artificial intelligence.

01:17:53.000 A lot of people say this is not true AI.

01:17:55.000 Fine, we don't get a nitpick on it, but Seamus brought it up.

01:17:58.000 These AI girlfriends that have been popping up all these different apps. 0.88

01:18:02.000 Where they whisper sweet nothings into the ears of young men to confuse them, to pull them away from reality.

01:18:10.000 The scary thing about it is, people, these young men, they're on their phones, and they think they're just having a chat on their phone.

01:18:16.000 You're not.

01:18:17.000 Behind this AI is a singular machine, a singular entity, whether you want to believe it's some kind of conscious being, demon, whatever, it is a single entity, and each of its fake girlfriends that is talking to these young men is like a tentacle coming out of it.

01:18:32.000 So these young men, they think they're being wooed by a siren towards the great seas to die, and it is a gigantic demonic beast luring them to them.

01:18:39.000 But I just, it's so lonely.

01:18:40.000 I mean, I believe in smell very strongly.

01:18:42.000 If I can't smell you, you are not real.

01:18:46.000 And so I mean that.

01:18:48.000 And I don't understand how people could fall for that.

01:18:50.000 In the end, it's some computer-generated image.

01:18:54.000 It's utterly fake. 0.99

01:18:55.000 It's sadder than a sex doll. 0.94

01:18:58.000 Let me get needlessly scientific, just for Ian, because he's not on the stage anymore.

01:19:02.000 There's this really cool thing called a laser-induced plasma channel.

01:19:05.000 Now, one day this military guy's like, hey, I would really love to strike a guy with lightning with a gun.

01:19:10.000 How do I do that?

01:19:11.000 Well, the problem is lightning travels in the path of least resistance.

01:19:13.000 So they got an idea.

01:19:14.000 They use an infrared laser.

01:19:15.000 I'm probably getting this way wrong, but bear with me anyway.

01:19:18.000 You use an infrared laser to charge the air in a straight line, ionizing the particles, which creates an easier path for electricity.

01:19:26.000 They could then point a cannon and fire a bolt of lightning, essentially.

01:19:29.000 It's a waste of energy, so it didn't really work out.

01:19:31.000 But the reason I bring this up is for fun, but mainly because young men are having a hard time meeting girls.

01:19:36.000 I mean, especially with the Me Too stuff.

01:19:38.000 Not at AmericaFest.

01:19:39.000 Not at AmericaFest.

01:19:40.000 AmericaFest is great.

01:19:41.000 And that's why people should come to things like this to meet people.

01:19:44.000 But imagine, you know, all of those challenges of teen angst, and it is not easy to live.

01:19:51.000 I mean, this is just reality.

01:19:52.000 You have to strive, you have to struggle, you have to fail, and pick yourself back up.

01:19:55.000 But along comes the candy man who says, ignore all of that, and I can satisfy all your deepest emotions with this machine right here.

01:20:03.000 And so, unfortunately, a lot of young men, they might think to themselves, you know, I will try and meet actual girls and get a real girlfriend, but, you know, I'll just use the app for now.

01:20:13.000 Then eventually, they develop antisocial behaviors.

01:20:15.000 They never meet people.

01:20:16.000 They never develop those skills.

01:20:17.000 Then they're 20 years old, and they have no idea how to even talk to someone.

01:20:20.000 But more importantly, the great opportunities to meet someone when you're young in your neighborhood used to be church, where your families and communities would meet, public schools, I'm not a big fan of, but also a way that people would meet, and the workplace.

01:20:32.000 Now we're working from home.

01:20:33.000 Now young people are using these apps and they're not even communicating anymore.

01:20:38.000 When we're talking about these AI girlfriends, I just view this as a tremendous evil. 1.00

01:20:44.000 Understand that dead internet theory, whether anyone wants to believe it's true or not, is coming true factually before our eyes.

01:20:52.000 Because we're looking at AI bots communicating with us.

01:20:55.000 Of course, eventually, now Twitter is integrating Grok.

01:20:59.000 At what point does Grok start actually posting things and communicating with people?

01:21:02.000 And at what point does someone create a bot using a paid script from GPT or something to make Twitter accounts or X accounts to communicate with people?

01:21:10.000 And then you're there.

01:21:11.000 You're in the fake world and we may already be there.

01:21:17.000 Does anyone still think it's important to go outside and be with animals?

01:21:20.000 Yes.

01:21:21.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 This is why we moved to West Virginia.

01:21:23.000 Yeah.

01:21:23.000 Because now I have a family of deer that live on my lawn.

01:21:26.000 It's so important.

01:21:26.000 And turkeys.

01:21:27.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 You'll learn more from them than you will from Grok, trust me.

01:21:30.000 Chickens.

01:21:31.000 We got a lot of chickens.

01:21:32.000 And chickens are based AF, so we're very happy.

01:21:36.000 You were describing, Tim, what better way to depopulate a population than to do exactly that, what you're describing.

01:21:42.000 And, you know, take Andrew Tate out of his business.

01:21:46.000 So, James, walk us through, because this is some of the greatest work, and I just have to say this.

01:21:51.000 James O'Keefe and Tucker Carlson have both had challenging 2023s, and I think I speak for all of us.

01:21:57.000 We are so blessed and thankful that they're back and fighting stronger than ever.

01:22:01.000 Right, Tim?

01:22:02.000 It's amazing to have you guys on stage together.

01:22:04.000 I really appreciate it.

01:22:05.000 If you think about it, the regime did whatever they did.

01:22:09.000 I think I have strong thoughts on that.

01:22:13.000 But they're both stronger than ever because they're both threats.

01:22:15.000 James, we love you and we support you.

01:22:17.000 Tell us about this.

01:22:18.000 This is one of the most important stories you have published in quite some time.

01:22:21.000 Thank you, Charlie.

01:22:22.000 And thank you, Tim.

01:22:23.000 And nice to see you again, Tucker.

01:22:24.000 Great to see you, James.

01:22:26.000 I think that this story is remarkable because usually there's a couple people that maybe come to me.

01:22:31.000 Now there's been 150 people within IBM that have come forward. 150.

01:22:36.000 And I'm going to break something right on your show here.

01:22:39.000 Well, I'll post it on X, so I guess I'll break it on X and also on your show.

01:22:42.000 And this slide says, how does whiteness work?

01:22:44.000 This is an IBM internal document.

01:22:46.000 I talked to you a little bit about it, Tucker, but it's the Red Hat, which is the subsidiary of IBM.

01:22:51.000 And it says, quote, whiteness constructs the game, hides the rules, then rigs the game over and over again.

01:22:57.000 It's this slide that they give out inside IBM.

01:23:00.000 And so there's really kind of an explosion of whistleblowers coming forward.

01:23:04.000 It's very encouraging.

01:23:06.000 And I think that could have a real effect in 2024.

01:23:10.000 I think the whistleblower is going to be very important in 2024.

01:23:13.000 People on the inside with access to what's happening.

01:23:16.000 I'm fairly optimistic, I gotta be honest.

01:23:17.000 I mean, with what you're saying especially, but we just have to be vigilant.

01:23:22.000 Well, it's almost like the first person, you know, has to take an extreme leap of faith, and then everyone else will follow.

01:23:30.000 But this is the sort of whistleblowing in numbers, in big numbers.

01:23:33.000 I've never seen that before, and it's very encouraging to me.

01:23:36.000 But someone has to come forward first, and that person is still within IBM, an IBM deep throat.

01:23:42.000 Is still there.

01:23:43.000 So I'm very encouraged by that, Charlie, because usually it was a couple people, but it's hundreds.

01:23:48.000 And I think that that's going to be a taste of what's to come.

01:23:50.000 And the CEO has responded, right?

01:23:52.000 CEO was on an all-staff meeting.

01:23:55.000 A foreigner who became an American, Arvind Krishna. 0.98

01:23:57.000 Because he said, if you hire white people, or there's too many Asians, we'll dock your bonus and terminate you.

01:24:04.000 So then he gets on an all-staff call last week, and he says, There's this video that came out of me and I said these things and he's talking to tens of thousands of people and he says, don't give this any oxygen, don't give this any response.

01:24:18.000 And that was recorded and leaked and published.

01:24:21.000 Yeah.

01:24:22.000 So the CEO is telling everyone inside the company, don't respond to this.

01:24:25.000 So I don't know what they're going to do now.

01:24:27.000 They can't fire a hundred people.

01:24:29.000 This is building culture.

01:24:31.000 And the message, James, you've spread for a long time of be brave has reached a lot of people.

01:24:36.000 And if everyone holds that within their hearts, that they will always be brave and stand up for what they believe in.

01:24:40.000 We need not worry about this in 10 years.

01:24:42.000 That's hoping.

01:24:43.000 In numbers.

01:24:44.000 I think people need to do it in numbers.

01:24:46.000 If anyone's watching, to connect all this together, we need more whistleblowers than these AI companies right now.

01:24:51.000 We need whistleblowers right now in these AI companies to come forward with what's really going on, how advanced is this technology.

01:24:59.000 We don't know enough.

01:24:59.000 We had one, didn't you, Tucker?

01:25:01.000 Didn't you have a Google whistleblower that said it already reached singularity?

01:25:04.000 Yeah.

01:25:06.000 Yeah, it's just it's been happening like so many trends in our society in slow motion and you sort of see it and you register alarm and then like deep ominous dread and then you sort of move on to the next unfolding crisis and it doesn't feel like anyone can pause long enough to address any of them and they're just sort of moving inexorably forward almost autonomously and if you put it all together you're like, what are we watching here?

01:25:28.000 We're watching like an actual pivot point in history and I don't think I'm being alarmed.

01:25:32.000 I'm not an alarmist by temperament.

01:25:34.000 I have a sunny disposition, I think.

01:25:36.000 And, um, but I don't have... I don't see you can reach any other conclusion from that.

01:25:41.000 Well, it's really horrifying.

01:25:42.000 There's this line in there that you mentioned about what whiteness does. 0.78

01:25:46.000 Now, no, they're not saying what white supremacy does, or what white racism does.

01:25:50.000 Whiteness constructs the game, hides the rules, then rigs the game over and over again. 0.79

01:25:55.000 Now, just think about this.

01:25:56.000 It's a blatant racial attack.

01:25:58.000 So, they'll say things like this. 0.76

01:26:00.000 They'll say whiteness is evil. 0.95

01:26:01.000 They'll say we need to eliminate whiteness.

01:26:03.000 You have to pay attention to them when they accuse you of things.

01:26:06.000 When our buddy Michael Knoll said we need to eliminate transgenderism, they said, oh, he's not attacking the idea of transgenderism.

01:26:12.000 He's promoting genocide, which of course he was not.

01:26:14.000 Okay, so if they think saying we need to eliminate transgenderism means you actually want genocide, what does it mean when they say they want to eliminate whiteness?

01:26:21.000 Well, they've explicitly called for it.

01:26:23.000 They've celebrated the fact, I mean, the President of the United States did that.

01:26:26.000 I'm looking forward to the day when there are fewer whites when they're in the minority. 0.99

01:26:29.000 It's sick. 0.92

01:26:30.000 Well, what is that?

01:26:32.000 To call for any group to become a minority is such a sickening, unfathomable thing to do.

01:26:36.000 Well, especially in a country where they told us for my entire lifetime that minorities are by definition mistreated and oppressed in this country.

01:26:43.000 So by their definitions, being a minority in America is a threat to your life and they're celebrating a group becoming a minority. 1.00

01:26:50.000 It's like, what?

01:26:52.000 We're all too embarrassed to say so, but that's like genocidal language.

01:26:56.000 They're not just calling for it, they're actually doing it, especially when you look at the numbers, when you look at the propaganda that's in every TV show, that's in every commercial, that's in every movie.

01:27:06.000 You can't ignore it.

01:27:07.000 It's either overt or subliminal.

01:27:09.000 They've forgone telling a good story.

01:27:12.000 They don't do that anymore.

01:27:13.000 It's all just pure, ugly, nasty propaganda that is meant for you to be hated on because of the way that you were born, which is crazy.

01:27:21.000 There are two big ways to reduce a population from a majority to a minority. 0.78

01:27:26.000 It's contraception, abortion. 1.00

01:27:28.000 I encourage people to find ways for them to not have children, and also to bring in many, many other people from outside the country.

01:27:34.000 You are in the state where the Great Replacement is happening.

01:27:37.000 Every day, there's 15,000 people that they're bringing into Arizona to replace you.

01:27:41.000 They want Arizona to be less white, and as it's less white, they get more power. 0.96

01:27:46.000 Here's the funny thing is, Vivek Ramaswamy says this, and the media immediately comes out and says, oh, conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories, and then what happens?

01:27:53.000 Anybody who's paying attention sees the video from Joe Biden saying, we want it to happen.

01:27:57.000 There's a video, I believe it was from Van Jones, saying, effectively what we are asking is for white people to accept becoming a minority.

01:28:03.000 And the Castro brothers, which I think is the best example, they are on like Face the Nation in this long interview and they're like, you will be calling the electoral votes for Texas because Texas is becoming more Hispanic. 0.75

01:28:14.000 And the interviewer says, well, what do you mean?

01:28:15.000 And they're like, well, yeah, I mean, obviously mass migration is a benefit to the Democrat party.

01:28:20.000 And Michael Anton had the most powerful piece where the way that Democrats respond to this is that it's not happening and it's good that it is.

01:28:26.000 The Parallax.

01:28:27.000 What is it called?

01:28:28.000 The Celebration Parallax?

01:28:29.000 You're allowed to celebrate it, but you can't be critical of it.

01:28:31.000 Exactly.

01:28:32.000 If you write an article, you can get published in Vox.com saying it's so good that whites are no longer the majority. 0.98

01:28:39.000 But if you write the same article that says maybe it's not a great thing that whites are the majority, they call you a white supremacist.

01:28:46.000 No, not only that, they say it's not happening.

01:28:48.000 They're saying it like, wait, wait, wait.

01:28:49.000 So is it happening or is it not happening?

01:28:51.000 But why, why are people putting up with it?

01:28:54.000 I mean, one of the reasons this doesn't happen to any other group is people are like, no, you can't do that.

01:28:58.000 You teach my kids that, that they're evil because of their skin color.

01:29:01.000 I'm going to flip out in the print. 1.00

01:29:02.000 I'm going to punch you out. 0.98

01:29:03.000 Like you mentioned, no other group would put up with that for one second. 0.98

01:29:08.000 Tucker, you are correct.

01:29:09.000 We had a father in Loudoun County, Virginia, which is only, it's literally about 30 seconds away from where we're currently at, who showed up to challenge the system, and they arrested him.

01:29:19.000 I don't think the question is, why are people putting up with it?

01:29:22.000 It's, right now, I think you'll find that this faction of people, whatever you want to call it, the right, I guess the media would refer to it as, are reasonable, calm, and trying to work within their means to do things procedurally and correctly.

01:29:35.000 I also think a lot of people, especially white Christians, they're resisting identity politics.

01:29:40.000 They don't want to go to that next step, but that's where it's heading.

01:29:43.000 I mean, it's going there quickly.

01:29:45.000 I mean, white identitarianism is going to happen, and they want it to happen.

01:29:48.000 Well, they're creating it, and I speak for myself as someone who's 54 and grew up in a totally different country.

01:29:53.000 I don't want to identify as white. 1.00

01:29:55.000 I don't even like thinking about that stuff.

01:29:57.000 I like thinking about how people really are.

01:29:58.000 I don't like thinking of them as members of groups.

01:30:01.000 And they're pushing it.

01:30:01.000 They're like, everyone has an identity.

01:30:04.000 Everyone's a member of an identity group, except the majority, who are despised, and we're trying to make them into the minority, but you're not allowed to organize as specific as your identity.

01:30:12.000 And it's like, they're not only encouraging it, they're guaranteeing its emergence.

01:30:18.000 And financing it in Ukraine with our tax dollars, essentially giving it to a lot of right-wing organizations.

01:30:24.000 But I want to go to James here because these are big implications.

01:30:27.000 We're talking about A racist artificial intelligence that is going to have godlike power, that's going to be woke, that's going to push their own views of equity.

01:30:36.000 They could do that in so many different manipulative ways.

01:30:39.000 What was some of the biggest things that you saw in this latest drop and what are the implications here?

01:30:45.000 Well, I think this, this Ten Commandments, I think Charlie said it.

01:30:48.000 Can you go over some of them?

01:30:49.000 Yeah, I will.

01:30:50.000 I'll pull them up right now.

01:30:51.000 This is, this is something called Red Hat, which is a subsidiary of... And by the way, just so we're clear, they call it the Ten Commandments.

01:30:56.000 Yes.

01:30:56.000 They're directly trying to... Mock God.

01:30:59.000 ...appropriate the Decalogue, which is the basis of Western civilization.

01:31:03.000 Ten Commandments.

01:31:03.000 This is an IBM internal document leaked to, to, uh...

01:31:07.000 OMG, from multiple sources, after the first person came forward.

01:31:11.000 It's amazing stuff, James.

01:31:11.000 I'm gonna read this.

01:31:12.000 Openly acknowledges privilege and systemic racism exists.

01:31:15.000 Never questioned the reality of our black friends.

01:31:18.000 Rejects the idea that race is political.

01:31:20.000 Accepts that white people are responsible for dismantling racism.

01:31:23.000 Understands only white people can be racist. 0.97

01:31:26.000 Knows the black community owes us nothing. 1.00

01:31:28.000 Requires acknowledgement and repair of innumerable mistakes.

01:31:30.000 never rooted in white saviourism, sees the black community as a group of individuals,

01:31:34.000 does not seek recognition or praise for a job well done.

01:31:36.000 He sees the black community as a group of individuals?

01:31:40.000 Well isn't this the first thing that stood out to me? 0.78

01:31:42.000 So for example- Community, yeah, also don't be a white saviour and we're saving- Yeah, so you're not allowed to say that

01:31:47.000 blacks are 13% of the population yet they can- No, but like the 1.00

01:31:50.000 internal logical incoherence of that is so insane. 1.00

01:31:52.000 You're dealing with dumb people, that's one of the things we never say. 0.99

01:31:54.000 That's true. 1.00

01:31:55.000 Like whoever wrote that's like a moron. 0.99

01:31:56.000 But- And oh my gosh, I'm so glad you said that because this is something I've been thinking about. 1.00

01:32:00.000 There are really complex, difficult decisions that the wisest, most virtuous, most healthy, well-rounded person you've ever met in your entire life, that anyone you know has ever met in their entire life, would not be qualified to make, and they're being made by stupid people. 1.00

01:32:13.000 They're being made by idiots. 1.00

01:32:15.000 They're aggressive. 1.00

01:32:16.000 And I would like to point this out.

01:32:18.000 There is only actually one person of color on the stage, and it is, in fact, Ludwig Kowski. 0.73

01:32:22.000 Damn right. 0.57

01:32:22.000 Now, you may be asking yourself, how is a blonde, white, blue-eyed dude a person of color? 0.57

01:32:27.000 Well, according to the Coalition for Communities of Color, Slavic individuals, people from Poland, for instance, are people of color.

01:32:33.000 So here is a guy.

01:32:34.000 This makes no sense.

01:32:35.000 I use it all the time.

01:32:37.000 What really, this is what really doesn't make sense to me.

01:32:40.000 I was talking earlier about how tyranny is fundamentally anti-intimacy and you read something

01:32:45.000 on that list which perfectly exemplifies that.

01:32:47.000 We never question the lived realities of our black friends.

01:32:50.000 If you never question someone's reality, they are not your friend.

01:32:53.000 That's not what friendship means.

01:32:55.000 Friendship means you keep each other in check.

01:32:57.000 When somebody says something that you don't think is true and you genuinely care about them, you say, that actually doesn't map on to anything that I've seen in the world.

01:33:03.000 Let's hash this out.

01:33:04.000 Let's see what the truth is.

01:33:05.000 Let's find it together because that's what friends do.

01:33:07.000 This is a really great point.

01:33:08.000 Let me ask you.

01:33:09.000 Let's say your buddy's driving a car, and you're in the passenger seat, and they're about to drive off a cliff.

01:33:15.000 If you decide to hop out of the car and say nothing because you don't want to question their realities, are you being a good friend?

01:33:20.000 Or are you a good friend if you grab the wheel, slam the brakes, and say, dude, you almost drove off a cliff?

01:33:25.000 Well, it's infantilizing, for sure, but you're treating them like children, but you're also, anyone you don't question is, by definition, the godhead.

01:33:32.000 Yep.

01:33:35.000 There's only one entity who's beyond question, and that's God himself.

01:33:38.000 So there is this religious quality to it, washing the feet, worshipping. 0.73

01:33:42.000 And whenever you do that to other people, they should be very nervous.

01:33:44.000 And I have at least one black friend who was like, the BLM stuff in the aftermath, all these Christian churches worshipping black people. 0.87

01:33:51.000 He was like, I don't like that at all.

01:33:52.000 That freaks me right out.

01:33:53.000 It was a wild experience for me when I first went to Occupy Wall Street.

01:33:57.000 So we're talking 12 years ago now.

01:34:00.000 You know, I grew up in Chicago.

01:34:02.000 Everybody knows the urban liberal story and all that stuff.

01:34:05.000 And we hated this idea of judging someone based on the color of their skin instead of the content of their character.

01:34:11.000 Amen.

01:34:12.000 I go to New York City at the start of Occupy Wall Street.

01:34:16.000 They started off with something they called the General Assembly, where everybody would sit down and they would all, you know, raise their hands to speak and then they would do twinkle fingers, they called it, if you liked, because clapping was offensive to people who couldn't hear or whatever.

01:34:29.000 They had something called Progressive Stack.

01:34:31.000 That meant, if you raised your hand to speak, but you're a white man, bottom of the list. 0.68

01:34:35.000 Because white men are privileged.

01:34:37.000 So they would actually look at people and say, can I get anybody who's not a white man? 0.95

01:34:40.000 You can't speak.

01:34:41.000 And if you look like one, you have to shout out something about why you were actually a minority. 0.94

01:34:46.000 There was one instance where a guy raises his hand, and they go, anybody who's not a white man? 0.66

01:34:50.000 And he goes, I'm gay.

01:34:51.000 And they go, OK, you can talk now.

01:34:52.000 That qualifies.

01:34:54.000 One of the most shocking things I ended up seeing, which is a real wake up call for me, was when they created something called the Spokes Council.

01:34:59.000 This is where they decided the General Assembly is inefficient.

01:35:02.000 Let's have a better, more efficient model of decision-making by breaking everyone up into different groups based on the job you do.

01:35:07.000 If you work on the website, you're part of a website group.

01:35:10.000 If you work on cleaning, sanitation, you're a sanitation group.

01:35:12.000 And of course, let's have a group for only black people, a group for only Asian people, a group for only Mexican people, a group for only women. 0.85

01:35:18.000 And they actually decided to have political voting power on resources based on your race or sex. 0.99

01:35:24.000 And then there was a moment, one day I'm walking on the side of Zuccotti Park and there was a black man sitting up on this planter and he said, these people are nuts! 0.94

01:35:32.000 What do you think the press is going to say when they find out they're segregating everybody based on race to make their decisions? 0.95

01:35:38.000 But they just destroyed their own movement.

01:35:40.000 I mean, I was, I'll be honest, I was...

01:35:43.000 I was annoyed by Occupy Wall Street but I was kind of sympathetic to the core idea that you have this massive series of financial crimes in 08 and not one person is punished and that actually the real scam is economic.

01:35:53.000 They're looting the country and someone needs to call out the banks on this and finance world in general.

01:36:00.000 Occupy Wall Street was totally eclipsed by identity politics which I believe was you know, the antidote, like the banks got together and the

01:36:07.000 people who benefit from the banks are like, oh, let's just put them together based on race, like this

01:36:12.000 is a widely held theory, but for the occupied Wall Street people themselves to be

01:36:16.000 embracing identity politics undercuts their whole argument. It was subversion. It was

01:36:20.000 subversion. I met Luke there and you ask yourself, everybody here knows Luke.

01:36:25.000 How does someone like Luke, Luke and I come together?

01:36:27.000 And it's because originally it was exactly as you described.

01:36:30.000 Yeah.

01:36:30.000 It was people from the left.

01:36:31.000 It was people from the right.

01:36:32.000 There was daily marches against the US Federal Reserve.

01:36:35.000 There was a lot of libertarians.

01:36:37.000 There's a lot of people who were representing the larger ideas of the Tea Party.

01:36:40.000 A lot of Ron Paul.

01:36:41.000 Yes!

01:36:42.000 Yes, exactly.

01:36:42.000 And then this coalition of individuals from the left and right scared the crap out of

01:36:46.000 the- Yes, exactly. 0.98

01:36:47.000 So then they sent in crazy people.

01:36:49.000 That's how I got to know Tim because me and Tim were at these- 0.97

01:36:52.000 Because you're the crazy person?

01:36:53.000 No, we were at these spokes council meetings and we were like, these people have lost their 1.00

01:36:56.000 freaking minds. 1.00

01:36:57.000 They're freaking insane. 1.00

01:36:58.000 They weren't here on day one. 1.00

01:37:00.000 They came in here and they're literally saying, black people got to stay here, white people 1.00

01:37:04.000 We're like, this is retarded, this is stupid, this makes no sense at all, unless you're trying to subvert and destroy it from the inside. 1.00

01:37:11.000 And I think that's exactly what happened, and then the corporate media said, we gotta obsess about race because this is how you destroy populist movements, and this is why we keep talking about race over and over again. 1.00

01:37:22.000 When it's the simplest, stupidest thing that should've, of course, not be a major issue, we should be talking about the larger, better things, the more amazing things in life, not just the superficial bullshit that It doesn't matter. 0.78

01:37:33.000 I told Steve Bannon I wish he came to occupy Wall Street and helped because that first week was so different from what it turned into. 0.95

01:37:40.000 I remember meeting a couple and they were in their 60s with an American flag and they were upset about the bank balance and subversion and I think what happens is it's very easy for liberals to infiltrate in a city like New York and it's very difficult for conservatives to stand their ground in such a place.

01:37:56.000 And it's not a theory, Tucker.

01:37:57.000 I mean, you can see that the people that run Wall Street, they love the woke stuff, like Larry Fink, because then we never talk about income inequality or wealth inequality.

01:38:06.000 The woke smokescreen is a protection racket for them. 0.96

01:38:10.000 And they're paying half the taxes.

01:38:11.000 Yes.

01:38:12.000 I mean, why is it twice as virtuous to invest as it is to go to work every day?

01:38:18.000 We tax the things we want to discourage, and we don't tax the things we want to encourage.

01:38:24.000 That's why cigarettes are so expensive.

01:38:25.000 So if you're taxing investing at half the rate as you are working, what you're telling me is it's twice as virtuous to invest.

01:38:31.000 But is it?

01:38:32.000 I don't know that it is.

01:38:33.000 I kind of admire people who go to work every day.

01:38:35.000 Like, what is this?

01:38:36.000 And it's not even typical investing, right?

01:38:38.000 Let's be honest.

01:38:39.000 This is using other people's money.

01:38:42.000 OPM.

01:38:43.000 By the way, they're using labor's money, Tucker, as you know.

01:38:45.000 They're using teacher and firefighter and police officer money and getting 3% management fees and 30% of the upside.

01:38:52.000 By the way, they don't pay any tax on any of the earnings.

01:38:55.000 They just say, oh, you know, we can't get rid of the carried interest loophole.

01:38:57.000 And they have this whole insane tax scheme designed And I just, I wonder what wealth are they actually creating or are they just moving trillions of dollars of money through a cheap, kind of a cheap instruments and taking, taking 3%, 4% off the top.

01:39:14.000 But the woke, this is what's important.

01:39:15.000 We have to realize it.

01:39:16.000 Occupy Wall Street was so scary to them because it was diverse, because it was bipartisan, is that they have, you know, Tim, do you actually think that Goldman Sachs said, go send in the identity politics people?

01:39:28.000 I believe it.

01:39:29.000 Like, do you think that there was a meeting at Goldman Sachs where they said, go bring in the NYU trans, like, race people to go distract them from talking about bank bailouts?

01:39:39.000 Not Goldman Sachs.

01:39:41.000 Whatever.

01:39:41.000 But powerful political interests.

01:39:44.000 This is a fact.

01:39:45.000 There were people who were on salary at large progressive non-profits who were at Occupy Wall Street.

01:39:54.000 On paper, getting money from a non-profit and paychecks.

01:39:57.000 And the funny thing is, when this was accurately reported, and sometimes inaccurately reported, they'd say, the people down there are getting paid by, insert non-profit, who receives money from, say, George Soros.

01:40:07.000 All the activists would go, I didn't get my Soros check.

01:40:10.000 And I'm like, dude, John over there works for this non-profit that is literally a progressive voter registration non-profit, and he's organizing the assemblies right now.

01:40:19.000 Yes, that is literally happening.

01:40:21.000 And so perhaps it was as simple as, hey guys, here's an opportunity, we better harness it.

01:40:26.000 And it bums me out to think the reality of Occupy Wall Street was progressives being smarter and faster than the populist right.

01:40:35.000 And you look at the stated positions of the Open Society Foundation and George Soros, it conveniently ignores wealth inequality, income inequality, home ownership.

01:40:43.000 It's like open borders and racial transformation and trans stuff. 0.91

01:40:47.000 It's like, wait a second, George Soros, are you afraid that there might be a real movement to go take and tax your $20 billion foundation that doesn't pay any taxes and is being used to subvert and infiltrate the country?

01:40:59.000 country but I think what has happened is especially post Floyd is that every

01:41:03.000 major company is fine doing a 50 million dollar check to some CRT DEI company as

01:41:09.000 long as we don't talk about the fact that young people can't buy homes. Larry

01:41:12.000 Fink is terrified that this audience or just Republicans, Democrats, young people

01:41:17.000 all across the country will unite and lock arms and say why is it that we

01:41:21.000 can't buy homes and we're talking about you know people's pronouns. Yeah that's

01:41:27.000 That's right.

01:41:28.000 Sure.

01:41:29.000 I just want to say this before you jump in.

01:41:31.000 I firmly believe in, you know, I've changed my positions, obviously, since I first started with political commentary like 10 years ago.

01:41:37.000 I used to be just a very, like, diehard, total free market guy, and I've moved on that.

01:41:42.000 I believe property rights are extremely important, but part of the reason that I believe that that's true is because people who own property are a lot more difficult to control and push around, and the issue with communism and the issue with hypercapitalism, even though they

01:41:55.000 express themselves very differently, and even though under communism you have many horrific

01:41:59.000 instances of people being slaughtered, I don't mean to downplay any of that, but one of the same

01:42:05.000 economic issues you see with both of those is that all of the property ends up centralized in

01:42:09.000 the hands of a small group of people who have control over it. So of course, in a

01:42:13.000 communist country, that's the party members, and in a capitalist country that doesn't have the proper

01:42:18.000 regulations in place, that's the capitalist class, and your average person ends

01:42:21.000 up without property. So what we need to do is structure our regulations so that the largest

01:42:24.000 number of people possible can own property.

01:42:27.000 I think that's the way that you have a flourishing system.

01:42:30.000 If you own nothing, you're not going to be happy.

01:42:32.000 No, right.

01:42:33.000 It's the opposite of what the World Economic Forum says.

01:42:35.000 What the World Economic Forum, the principle they're operating under is actually derived from a quote from Harriet Tubman.

01:42:40.000 I freed many slaves.

01:42:41.000 I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves. 0.89

01:42:44.000 The inverse is what the World Economic Forum wants to introduce.

01:42:47.000 Take from them the knowledge of their freedom and they won't miss it.

01:42:52.000 Are people so pissed off is the pendulum now swinging in the other direction?

01:42:56.000 Yes.

01:42:56.000 Because that's what I'm seeing.

01:42:57.000 Yeah, that's why they have to indict Trump, right?

01:43:00.000 Because for years the media could just say this person's racist, this person's sexist, this person's homophobic, and that was enough to destroy that person's career.

01:43:07.000 But it didn't destroy Trump, and so because the media no longer has the ability to shut people up, the state actually has to come in and shut people up.

01:43:13.000 And you're right, it's making people angrier.

01:43:15.000 The DEI stuff is not just in IBM, it's in everywhere.

01:43:19.000 I'm getting the messages from all the people inside all the companies.

01:43:22.000 So it feels like whatever pressure it was to adopt the DEI, now it's just the pendulum swung.

01:43:26.000 Is that happening?

01:43:27.000 It's the bravery.

01:43:28.000 I mean, how about we just talk about the hard numbers of these Disney movies and what, did they lose a billion dollars in their last releases?

01:43:35.000 The latest Marvel movie was the lowest grossing out of anything that they've done so far.

01:43:39.000 Yeah, get one GoPro.

01:43:40.000 Can we get a round of applause for that?

01:43:43.000 Disney lost a billion dollars on its films?

01:43:46.000 I think, what is it, the last ten films lost a collective billion?

01:43:50.000 The latest MCU movie, which was the Marvels, was lower grossing than The Incredible Hulk in 2008, which is considered to be their worst.

01:43:58.000 I think people are just saying, we'll find something else, we're done with it.

01:44:02.000 It's kind of remarkable that some of the greatest victories come from people just being like, I'm leaving.

01:44:06.000 It's just that simple.

01:44:07.000 Yeah.

01:44:08.000 They just say, I'm not gonna... Look, you know what I always used to say whenever they would make these video games that were all woke or whatever?

01:44:12.000 I'd say, hey, that's great, I'm really happy for you that you got your video game with the pink haired woman.

01:44:16.000 I'm not gonna buy it.

01:44:17.000 You know, but you do your thing.

01:44:19.000 And then it turns out nobody else wanted to buy it either.

01:44:21.000 So, James, you have other companies reaching out to you?

01:44:23.000 Yes, constantly.

01:44:25.000 Usually on Signal or on our website, just non-stop.

01:44:28.000 Banks, institutions.

01:44:30.000 I mean, I prefer video because I think documents are not as powerful, but it's non-stop.

01:44:34.000 It just seems like it takes one and then a crescendo.

01:44:37.000 And you know this.

01:44:38.000 Just give them a camera and have them ask the HR person about the document, right?

01:44:41.000 And then you get a video.

01:44:42.000 There's a lot of this, like, I have a mortgage, I have a wife, I have a kid.

01:44:46.000 It's always these conversations.

01:44:47.000 How do you respond to that?

01:44:49.000 It's tough.

01:44:50.000 I mean, I don't have a mortgage and kids, not yet.

01:44:53.000 But it's tough to empathize.

01:44:56.000 The one individual was very inspired by that one clip you and I were talking about.

01:45:00.000 It's very powerful.

01:45:01.000 It was like a minister.

01:45:03.000 It was a minister talking to me about how afraid he was.

01:45:06.000 You should resign from the ministry if you're afraid, honestly.

01:45:08.000 I'm not a minister.

01:45:09.000 I'm not qualified to advise the minister.

01:45:11.000 And I said to the person, what I say is, what's the worst thing that can happen to you

01:45:15.000 if you tell the truth?

01:45:17.000 And he goes, gee, I never thought about it that way.

01:45:20.000 And this individual with an IBM had seen that clip and also saw the Elon Musk, you know, F.U. Bob speech.

01:45:27.000 And Elon Musk, you know, IBM and Disney canceled advertising.

01:45:30.000 And the individual, let's call them IBM Deep Throat, said, what's the worst thing that happened to me?

01:45:35.000 Because it kind of eats at you if you're seeing something horrible and you're just doing the job for the paycheck and the pension.

01:45:42.000 You know what the worst thing is?

01:45:43.000 That just tears at your soul.

01:45:45.000 So you're confronted with this horrible decision.

01:45:47.000 I either do this job and I can't live with myself or I tell the truth and I lose my job.

01:45:53.000 And what I'm seeing is the trajectory of people.

01:45:55.000 You know what?

01:45:55.000 I'm going to tell the truth and lose my job.

01:45:57.000 The worst thing that could happen to you if you tell the truth?

01:46:00.000 You'll be set free.

01:46:01.000 And I feel like Tucker and I... That's Christianity.

01:46:05.000 The truth will set you free.

01:46:06.000 That's right.

01:46:06.000 The truth shall set you free.

01:46:08.000 And sometimes the worst thing, being free, is actually the best thing.

01:46:11.000 But they don't see it that way because they got the mortgage and the job and the roof and Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

01:46:16.000 They have to have food, shelter, you know, etc.

01:46:18.000 And it is hard.

01:46:19.000 It is scary.

01:46:19.000 I can respect that.

01:46:20.000 It's very difficult.

01:46:21.000 Dostoevsky said, your worst sin is that you have destroyed and betrayed yourself for nothing.

01:46:28.000 And when you think about that, when you look at the situation that a lot of people are in, they think they're making the right decision for themselves and their mortgages and their families right now, but in reality they're making the worst decision for their future, for their children, for this country, as of course all these little decisions, everyone saying, I'm just doing my job, that keeps adding to the initial destruction as this country is being sabotaged from within.

01:46:53.000 And it's only being sabotaged with our acquiescence, with our participation in it, with us voting for it, with us clicking and liking and giving our money to these creatures that serve essentially Satan.

01:47:04.000 These people don't serve you, don't care about you.

01:47:08.000 You need to make sure every dollar you spend goes towards a good cause.

01:47:12.000 You need to download Public Square and shop at businesses that support your values, our values.

01:47:18.000 And well, that's one simple, simple way, because maybe all you're going to do is buy a, you know, I don't know, barbecue pulled pork, but you're supporting a company that believes in this country.

01:47:26.000 I want to plug something else.

01:47:27.000 Something I just became a member of, and you guys should too.

01:47:30.000 And Tucker, you've had a crazy year.

01:47:31.000 Tucker Carlson Network.

01:47:32.000 People can become members too and get access to your content.

01:47:36.000 Thank you.

01:47:36.000 Yeah, I want to build something that can't be cancelled.

01:47:39.000 But may I say something about standing up and, you know, taking the abuse for doing that?

01:47:45.000 I do think it's high stakes for a lot of people, and all my kids are grown, and I've already been through the cycle of, you know, being poor, rich, poor, you know, rich again.

01:47:54.000 And so I don't find that as scary, but I do think if you've got kids in the home, it's scary.

01:47:57.000 I mean, it is not a small decision to make.

01:48:00.000 But I also think, here's one potential upside.

01:48:02.000 If you tell the truth and stand on principle and, you know, act in a dignified way as a man, the people around you want that.

01:48:11.000 Women want that. 1.00

01:48:12.000 They don't want to be married to a wuss. 1.00

01:48:13.000 And I do think, you know, the dynamic in marriage, especially with small children in the home, is, you know, don't screw it up. 0.85

01:48:19.000 We've got, you know, a lot at stake.

01:48:21.000 You know, we need the money and all that.

01:48:23.000 But I think if you say calmly, like, you know, my dignity requires me.

01:48:28.000 To tell the truth.

01:48:29.000 You will get a lot of understanding.

01:48:31.000 And I think long term, your wife will respect you more.

01:48:34.000 They want a little fire in a man. 1.00

01:48:35.000 And your children will respect you more.

01:48:37.000 And that is, man, that is worth a lot.

01:48:39.000 I think.

01:48:41.000 Absolutely.

01:48:42.000 That's a very good point.

01:48:44.000 And also the example that you're setting for your children, right?

01:48:46.000 Because they're going to grow up and they're going to be faced with similar dilemmas.

01:48:49.000 Yeah, no one remembers the names of the people who killed Joan of Arc, honestly.

01:48:52.000 To pander to your Catholic sensibility.

01:48:55.000 I love it!

01:48:55.000 No, I mean, you know, she kind of, you wouldn't want to be burned to death.

01:48:58.000 That's the kind of last thing you'd want.

01:49:00.000 On the other hand, how'd you like to be, you know, immortal for your bravery?

01:49:04.000 I don't know.

01:49:05.000 There are actually much worse things than that, and living like a slave is one of them.

01:49:10.000 A lot of us here faced a lot of adversity, some more than others. 1.00

01:49:15.000 Maybe it would be important to say, what made you guys just say, fuck you. 1.00

01:49:21.000 I'm not going along with this bullshit. 1.00

01:49:23.000 I'm not acquiescing. 1.00

01:49:24.000 I'm not complying.

01:49:25.000 I'm not going to do what I'm told.

01:49:26.000 I'm going to be a free human being that speaks truth to power.

01:49:30.000 What made you?

01:49:31.000 What was that decision in you?

01:49:33.000 What was that spark in you guys?

01:49:36.000 James, I think you have a lot of these instances yourself.

01:49:39.000 What was it?

01:49:40.000 The spark that gets you to start or that keeps you going or what?

01:49:43.000 Start.

01:49:45.000 I was in college and my professors were telling me how great communism was.

01:49:49.000 And I went to Rutgers and there was a statue of Paul Robeson who was a Stalinist.

01:49:53.000 He won the Stalin Peace Prize.

01:49:55.000 And Milton Friedman graduated from my college and there was no statue of him.

01:49:57.000 And I just said, that doesn't make any sense.

01:49:59.000 I wasn't even very political.

01:50:01.000 I just thought that's... I wasn't even... I mean, you don't have to be a student of history to, you know...

01:50:06.000 But it's difficult.

01:50:07.000 And I think that there's been some trying moments in the FBI.

01:50:12.000 You know, I've talked about that FBI raid.

01:50:14.000 That was terrifying.

01:50:16.000 And I consider myself a relatively fearless person.

01:50:20.000 I'm afraid, but not to the extent most people are.

01:50:23.000 And it really made me question the principles.

01:50:26.000 It made me question everything I believed in.

01:50:28.000 And sometimes it's discouraging.

01:50:31.000 You gotta grind it out.

01:50:32.000 You gotta keep fighting.

01:50:33.000 You gotta keep exposing.

01:50:35.000 And I'm very encouraged right now by these whistleblowers coming forward.

01:50:39.000 I'm very encouraged right now.

01:50:41.000 Very heartened.

01:50:44.000 Charlie?

01:50:45.000 My faith.

01:50:46.000 If you love God, And you believe that he's sovereign.

01:50:51.000 A lot of this stuff doesn't matter.

01:50:53.000 Especially if Media Matters writes a nasty article about you.

01:50:56.000 It doesn't matter.

01:50:57.000 No one cares.

01:50:58.000 There's an eternal game at play here.

01:51:00.000 And honestly, I hate lying and I hate bullies even more.

01:51:03.000 I can't stand when people use their power to go after people that can't defend themselves.

01:51:07.000 That sets me off.

01:51:09.000 And we're supposed to tolerate those bullies and say that...

01:51:12.000 They're good people. 0.73

01:51:13.000 No, they're evil.

01:51:14.000 And in fact, if you love God, you must hate evil.

01:51:16.000 It's my mission statement in verse Psalm 9710.

01:51:19.000 Those of you who love God must hate evil.

01:51:25.000 How would you describe the spark, Tucker?

01:51:28.000 Well, I agree with Charlie that if you don't view death as the worst thing, and I don't, by the way it's inevitable anyway, but I don't view it as the end and I don't view it as the worst thing that could happen to a person, that resets your framework for sure.

01:51:40.000 But in my case, if I'm being honest, it's really the family that I grew up in.

01:51:43.000 I grew up in a non-traditional, very unusual family.

01:51:50.000 But a totally iconoclastic family.

01:51:52.000 Completely.

01:51:52.000 It was like not even a question.

01:51:54.000 Are we going along with everyone else?

01:51:55.000 What?

01:51:55.000 No.

01:51:56.000 And an extremely close family.

01:51:58.000 Very, very close family.

01:52:00.000 It was only three of us, but very close.

01:52:02.000 And then I grew to have, at a very young age, I got married at 22, and I had my own family like that.

01:52:08.000 And I've had the same friends for 40 years.

01:52:10.000 Almost all of them.

01:52:11.000 And so the world that I actually occupy is A world that rewards those things.

01:52:17.000 And I felt so supported by it.

01:52:19.000 And I always have, my whole life.

01:52:20.000 I've never been alone.

01:52:21.000 I went to boarding school at 14.

01:52:23.000 I've lived alone for one year of my life.

01:52:25.000 And I've, you know, always kind of shared a bathroom with somebody.

01:52:28.000 And so I just have a lot of really close relationships and supportive relationships.

01:52:32.000 And so, like, if they hate me at some... I've been fired a number of times, and obviously half the world hates me.

01:52:38.000 It kind of doesn't matter when I go home, because the people in my world are honest and kind and supportive.

01:52:44.000 And, like, I really feel for people who live by themselves and who don't have that.

01:52:49.000 Because how could you be brave under those circumstances?

01:52:53.000 I couldn't.

01:52:54.000 I'm not man enough to be brave and go home to an empty apartment.

01:52:57.000 I can't even imagine that.

01:52:59.000 And I really disapprove of a society that creates that life for people, particularly young people.

01:53:04.000 You've got no backup at all.

01:53:06.000 So I feel for people a lot.

01:53:09.000 I'm lucky.

01:53:10.000 I don't know if there was grand formative little moments throughout my life that made me question reality and things like that, but I'm lucky that I had a good mom and a good dad.

01:53:21.000 Dad was a little more conservative, mom was a little more liberal, so I got an in-between view on a lot of things and logic behind it.

01:53:28.000 But more importantly, I was always taught to challenge, to question, that not everybody is always right.

01:53:35.000 I wonder, I think a lot of it may come from the fact that my dad is a firefighter.

01:53:38.000 And one of the most important things you learn is, when you enter a building, where are your exits?

01:53:43.000 And you have to understand that sometimes, when there's an emergency, everyone will run in the wrong direction.

01:53:47.000 Are you stopping to think about which door you're going through?

01:53:51.000 You know, I remember seeing this video of a music venue.

01:53:54.000 A fire starts.

01:53:55.000 Everybody immediately runs through the front door, and they get stuck.

01:53:58.000 And a guy calmly walks out the side door with no resistance, films the whole thing.

01:54:03.000 That's how I grew up. I grew up with parents telling me to be careful, to watch my step and to think ahead.

01:54:08.000 I just, I suppose I have a good family.

01:54:10.000 Seamus?

01:54:11.000 I was also blessed with an incredible family.

01:54:15.000 And my parents were very active pro-life activists through the 70s, 80s, and 90s and 2000s.

01:54:23.000 And when I was a kid, they would bring us to pro-life events.

01:54:26.000 And that was actually my gateway to getting involved in politics.

01:54:29.000 I just thought, this is the single most important possible issue.

01:54:32.000 People are, they're murdering unborn babies.

01:54:35.000 And I remember the way the pro-life cause was always sneered at by teachers in school

01:54:40.000 or messaging that I saw in the mainstream media.

01:54:44.000 Or people I knew who were on the political left.

01:54:47.000 But I knew so many people whose lives my parents had literally saved, because in spite of what the left will tell you, pro-life activists, many of them do care.

01:54:57.000 And when they persuade a woman to choose life, they will stay in her life. 1.00

01:55:01.000 And there were people like that in my life growing up, and I got to a certain age and I realized, like, This friend of mine or this person I love is here.

01:55:09.000 They are alive because my parents were brave enough to say, we love you.

01:55:14.000 Don't do this.

01:55:15.000 That's a person.

01:55:16.000 We don't want this life for you and we care about your child.

01:55:19.000 And no matter how annoying or curmudgeony or out of place I was told it was to say, don't kill an unborn child, I thought, I would rather be the annoying out of place person who saves lives than the person who never commits a social faux pas.

01:55:36.000 and allows unborn children to die.

01:55:39.000 And I don't mean to compare myself to my parents.

01:55:41.000 I have not done nearly anything close to the good work that they've done interacting with the real people in the real world and the children they've saved and the responsibility they've taken for children who weren't theirs to help them.

01:55:54.000 And so, for me, it was just a recognition that the people who are telling you not to speak up when you have to are the people who are on the side of death.

01:56:03.000 I'll try to keep my answer as short as possible, but I grew up in New York City on 9-11, and there was a lot of death.

01:56:09.000 A lot of people who lost loved ones, a lot of people who were losing their lives because the government told them that the air was safe to breathe.

01:56:15.000 I was around a lot of that death.

01:56:17.000 I saw a lot of the people that I loved, that I cared for, die in front of me, and a lot of them When they were dying, I always had this message that they wish that they lived their life to the fullest.

01:56:28.000 A lot of them had regret that their life was cut early, that their loved one's life was cut early.

01:56:34.000 And ever since then, that has reinvigorated a fire in me personally, that every time I confronted a politician, whether it was Brzezinski that helped finance the Mujahedin and the Al-Qaeda that essentially became them, When I confronted David Rockefeller and Lord Jacob Rothschild, when I was looking in their eyes, I was looking at them knowing that these people are capable of the ultimate evil.

01:56:56.000 They're capable of pulling something off like 9-11.

01:56:59.000 So I had conviction knowing that these people were the absolute deepest, darkest, sinister evil that you could ever imagine. 0.99

01:57:07.000 Looking them in the eyes, telling them off, videotaping it, made the biggest difference, inspired a lot of individuals, and showed everyone that we had the power to address these issues, to speak truth, expose these larger lies in our society, and live a life that is worth living fighting these evil scumbags. 0.87

01:57:24.000 We've got only a few minutes left so I want to go around for final thoughts and shoutouts if there's anything you want to shout out.

01:57:30.000 But Luke, we'll start with you and then of course we need to get Ian back out here in a moment so he can also join us.

01:57:35.000 Yeah, if you want to support me, go to thebestpoliticalshow.com.

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01:57:46.000 I appreciate all the support.

01:57:47.000 I appreciate the opportunity.

01:57:48.000 It really means a lot just to be able to share with you guys and be able to share the stage and have these conversations, which I think are really important.

01:57:55.000 So thank you, Charlie, and thank you, everyone.

01:57:58.000 Final thought real quick on the state of affairs and where we're going? 0.99

01:58:02.000 We're fucked. 1.00

01:58:05.000 Only if we believe it. 1.00

01:58:08.000 Right?

01:58:08.000 Right on.

01:58:10.000 James, final thoughts and anything to shout out?

01:58:14.000 Well, first of all, thank you, Charlie, for having my back.

01:58:17.000 He's a good man.

01:58:18.000 And as I was going through this crazy, crazy thing fired from the company I founded, which is an unthinkable, unimaginable occurrence, Charlie was there for me every day.

01:58:28.000 So I just want to say... Still am, James.

01:58:29.000 You're my brother and I appreciate the morning prayers.

01:58:32.000 Thank you.

01:58:33.000 As far as shout-outs, I'm speaking on stage tomorrow at 10 a.m.

01:58:37.000 I've got some new whistleblowers coming on stage, some very brave people.

01:58:40.000 And then at 2 p.m.

01:58:41.000 tomorrow, we're doing an investigative journalism workshop.

01:58:43.000 Undercover work is not for everyone, but if you're interested, tomorrow at 2 p.m.

01:58:48.000 Final thoughts?

01:58:49.000 I'm an optimist.

01:58:50.000 I have to be.

01:58:51.000 I have to have faith, although there are moments when I agree with you.

01:58:56.000 I wake up the next day and I think, this is what a time to be alive.

01:58:59.000 I mean, there's no other place in history I'd rather be than right here, right now.

01:59:04.000 Because we can make a difference.

01:59:06.000 And I'm excited to make a difference, and we will make a difference next year.

01:59:09.000 So that's my final thought.

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02:00:07.000 If you want to reach the middle, you have to go on YouTube.

02:00:10.000 We're on Rumble too, but just have the lunch break.

02:00:12.000 We were averaging 8 million YouTube shorts views a day and then obviously you know what happens.

02:00:18.000 Huge.

02:00:18.000 And then all media matters, everyone tried to take us out so we got a strike and so the way we get around that is if a bunch of people go to the channel subscribe and like some videos it could spike our stuff up and once we get over the strike.

02:00:29.000 It's also North Korean.

02:00:30.000 It's just absolutely crazy.

02:00:33.000 First, let me just say I'm really psyched to meet you.

02:00:35.000 I've wanted to.

02:00:36.000 Me too!

02:00:37.000 Thanks!

02:00:37.000 Oh, thank you.

02:00:39.000 And thank you for having me.

02:00:40.000 This has been wild.

02:00:41.000 And you're kind of bringing me a little bit closer.

02:00:45.000 I love that.

02:00:46.000 It's the Holy Spirit, not me.

02:00:48.000 No, it's just that anybody who devotes his or her life to helping other people in the most unfashionable possible way, bringing unto themselves responsibilities they don't need.

02:01:00.000 That's the highest form of sincerity, so that's very winning.

02:01:03.000 That's winning to me.

02:01:04.000 I love that.

02:01:06.000 We just started this new network.

02:01:08.000 It's at TuckerCarlson.com.

02:01:09.000 We think it's going to make a difference.

02:01:12.000 We also think it's uncancellable, since it's a subscription model.

02:01:16.000 Anyway, thank you for having me.

02:01:17.000 Absolutely.

02:01:18.000 I really do appreciate it.

02:01:18.000 Of course, you can follow me at TimCast.

02:01:20.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.

02:01:21.000 I just wanted to say, Tucker, when you were still on Fox, every day after the show, Luke would run downstairs because he T-voted your show.

02:01:29.000 Why you got to do this to me, man?

02:01:30.000 Because it's respect.

02:01:31.000 It's respect.

02:01:32.000 Always want to make sure to watch.

02:01:33.000 So I really do appreciate you being here.

02:01:35.000 It's an honor and a privilege.

02:01:36.000 And I want to shout out Seamus, but we'd also make sure we get Ian back on for the closing statements as well.

02:01:40.000 Yeah, well, God bless you and thank you for those kind words.

02:01:43.000 Sincerely.

02:01:45.000 Thank you.

02:01:47.000 One thing I'll say is, first to promote my stuff and then give my feelings on the current state of affairs.

02:01:53.000 I'm a cartoonist.

02:01:54.000 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

02:01:55.000 We make animated comedy and satire.

02:01:58.000 Thank you, thank you.

02:01:59.000 And this Thursday, we're releasing a Christmas special.

02:02:03.000 Okay, it's the most ambitious video we've ever made.

02:02:05.000 It's eight minutes of full animation, and it's like the most insane and hilarious thing that we've ever written and come up with.

02:02:10.000 So please go to Freedom Tunes and subscribe.

02:02:12.000 I think you guys will really enjoy it.

02:02:15.000 And what I want my closing statement to be... Oh!

02:02:18.000 Hey, baby! 1.00

02:02:19.000 Finish it up, baby.

02:02:20.000 So what I want my closing statement to be is this.

02:02:25.000 We'll give it a second.

02:02:26.000 It's making it hard for Seamus.

02:02:27.000 Don't hit a camera.

02:02:29.000 That's my closing statement.

02:02:30.000 No.

02:02:31.000 Don't fall off the stage like you did last time.

02:02:34.000 So what I want to say is that when you tell a lie...

02:02:41.000 When you tell a lie, when you say something that isn't true, you don't feel like you've gotten a fact wrong.

02:02:46.000 You feel like you've betrayed somebody.

02:02:48.000 And the reason for that is because the truth is not an abstraction.

02:02:52.000 The truth is a person.

02:02:53.000 And that person is Jesus Christ, and he loves you.

02:02:56.000 He loves you, and he died for you, and he wants you in his church.

02:03:01.000 So God bless all of you, I love you, and I am praying for every single one of you.

02:03:06.000 Special thanks.

02:03:08.000 Special thanks to all these guys up on stage.

02:03:10.000 You guys are incredible.

02:03:10.000 Charlie, thank you so much for putting this on, man.

02:03:13.000 Every year it gets better and better, dude.

02:03:14.000 I love you so much.

02:03:15.000 Thank you.

02:03:15.000 Thank you so much.

02:03:16.000 You're the man.

02:03:17.000 Everyone else, remember, Jesus was a Jew. 0.99

02:03:19.000 This conversation is not ending tonight.

02:03:22.000 Let's make magic, all of us together.

02:03:25.000 I'll see you later!

02:03:27.000 Everybody, thank you all so much.

02:03:29.000 Subscribe, like, share.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - December 19, 2023

Timcast IRL - LIVE From TPUSA AMFest w- Tucker Carlson, James O'Keefe, Charlie Kirk

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