Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Louisville Police Major SLAMS Antifa, BLM As Basement-Dweller, FreedomToons Joins

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:16.000 you ladies and gentlemen boys and girls I am Seamus Coughlin of

00:00:43.000 freedom tunes subbing in for Tim Pool who is unavailable right now.

00:00:46.000 He has gone missing in what is believed to be a Sasquatch-related accident and sighting.

00:00:51.000 We'll have more information on that as updates come, but for now, we have several topics, all of which I forgot, so I'm gonna have to turn it over to Ian.

00:00:57.000 So, Sasquatch. 1.00

00:00:59.000 Man or bear?

00:01:00.000 That's a good question.

00:01:01.000 Neither.

00:01:02.000 Some kind of cryptid.

00:01:03.000 That's all.

00:01:04.000 That's all I'm aware of.

00:01:05.000 Define cryptid.

00:01:06.000 Oh my goodness.

00:01:06.000 Tim, where were you?

00:01:08.000 I was, I was sitting here.

00:01:09.000 Oh.

00:01:10.000 I was just sitting here and I was like, you guys ready?

00:01:12.000 And then when it turned on, it was you.

00:01:15.000 And then you just started lying to people.

00:01:16.000 I literally just started lying to people.

00:01:17.000 I should not be loud on the internet.

00:01:18.000 This is an epidemic of fake news online.

00:01:20.000 Well, I think it's okay.

00:01:21.000 So for those that are familiar with Freedom Tunes, you literally produce fake news for a living.

00:01:25.000 All the time.

00:01:26.000 I'm confident Trump didn't sing to Joe Biden about debating.

00:01:29.000 No, that was true.

00:01:30.000 That one was actually true.

00:01:31.000 Oh, was it?

00:01:31.000 That didn't happen.

00:01:32.000 Yes. 0.59

00:01:33.000 No, I think you are one of the worst and most egregious purveyors of fake news. 1.00

00:01:37.000 Sir, you disgust me. 0.99

00:01:38.000 I would agree. 0.93

00:01:39.000 I mean, you're not incorrect.

00:01:41.000 It's supposed to be a little bit of fake, you know, a little bit of fake news, a little bit of satire.

00:01:44.000 Hey, before we just drill deep, tell me a little bit about Freedom Tunes.

00:01:48.000 Okay, sure.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, well, first of all, I would just like to apologize to everyone who had to see me two days ago and now has to see me again.

00:01:53.000 We did an episode, and it was solid, but the internet kept lagging, and I was here for a couple days, so y'all invited me to do this again, and I really appreciate it.

00:02:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:01.000 Yeah.

00:02:02.000 Dude, I was so exhausted, too.

00:02:03.000 I was so low-energy.

00:02:04.000 You're gonna get high-energy, Seamus, tonight.

00:02:06.000 Oh, that's hot.

00:02:07.000 That's right, yeah.

00:02:08.000 Just wait.

00:02:08.000 We're gonna do Trump impressions, Ben Shapiro impressions.

00:02:11.000 We're gonna get sick and tired of impressions.

00:02:13.000 You're supposed to change the impression every time you change the name, though.

00:02:16.000 Ben Shapiro impressions.

00:02:18.000 Like maybe even Jordan Peterson impressions, man.

00:02:20.000 We might get there.

00:02:24.000 I'm sorry.

00:02:25.000 Did I make you choke?

00:02:25.000 Yeah.

00:02:27.000 Oh God.

00:02:28.000 It's like Rogan all over again.

00:02:29.000 Oh man.

00:02:30.000 Yeah.

00:02:31.000 I started doing Freedom Tunes when I was 19 back in 2014 and the channel has grown a lot.

00:02:36.000 It's definitely changed over time.

00:02:37.000 At that time, I was like a really hardcore libertarian and I've moved on a number of issues, especially as I've become like more intimately familiar Uh, with my faith as a Catholic and what the church teaches and even though I still believe in very limited government, I think there are some incompatibilities between like a really hard libertarian stance and Catholic teaching.

00:02:53.000 So I've moved a bit, but I'm still very anti-government, still very conservative, and I still just love satirizing the left wing.

00:02:58.000 I think it's almost too easy at this point, but hey, why not capitalize on that?

00:03:01.000 But you won't ever criticize the right.

00:03:03.000 Ever.

00:03:03.000 Not at all.

00:03:04.000 Not once.

00:03:04.000 Well, you know what?

00:03:05.000 Here's the thing.

00:03:06.000 I do make fun of conservative people, and they tend to be really cool with it, but to be fair, I think it's because they know I'm coming from a place of actually enjoying their work and wanting to rib on them as opposed to trying to, like, own them or something like that.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:03:19.000 Maybe.

00:03:19.000 Or maybe they just have a better sense of humor, too.

00:03:21.000 I think humor has now appeared... Look, you can't make jokes on the left.

00:03:26.000 I know.

00:03:26.000 It's horrible.

00:03:28.000 The comedians that are still able to do these jokes are legacy comedians.

00:03:32.000 And the people who start getting edgy get cancelled.

00:03:34.000 Yeah, no, it's true.

00:03:36.000 If you're a comedian trying to make it now, your audience is going to be right-wing.

00:03:41.000 Yeah, I think that's true.

00:03:42.000 There's no, there's no way.

00:03:44.000 No, I think there's a lot of truth in that.

00:03:45.000 And it's funny because one thing I've noticed too, is even when I make fun of right-wing figures, I'm still filling this niche because oftentimes when left-wing people make fun of right-wing figures, they do a really bad job.

00:03:54.000 One thing I definitely noticed that my work suffered from early on is I re-examined it.

00:03:58.000 It was just a little too preachy and I didn't put enough emphasis on the comedy.

00:04:01.000 I put more emphasis on trying to get a message across, but I firmly believe that if you're being true to yourself and just trying to make something entertaining, your worldview is going to come through either way.

00:04:09.000 Yeah, make a good joke. Yeah, well and so but that's why like when the left makes fun of Ben Shapiro

00:04:14.000 Like if you saw his appearance on I think our cartoon president is their jokes 0.90

00:04:18.000 I'm like, I just hate trans people or something like that. 1.00

00:04:20.000 It's like not funny. Yeah, exactly It's like I'm an absolutely disgusting bigot. Isn't that 0.99

00:04:24.000 horrible bazinga? And then when they make fun of Donald Trump, it's just like

00:04:27.000 And I have small hands That's all they do.

00:04:30.000 That's still funny to them.

00:04:32.000 When Family Guy did the episode with Trump, they just made his face bright orange, they made his hands tiny, and they made him fat.

00:04:40.000 And I was like, that's not a joke.

00:04:42.000 The joke was made once, we laughed at it, I thought the tiny hands thing was funny, and then we all moved on.

00:04:47.000 The funny thing about these jokes that you see from the right, if you ever go to the donald.win, which is the Donald Trump forum, They love the jokes about Trump.

00:04:55.000 They post them and they laugh about it.

00:04:57.000 There was one where it was like Donald Trump's face was bright orange.

00:05:00.000 I remember they posted something that was like, don't we have the orangest president?

00:05:03.000 And they upvote it.

00:05:03.000 Because they don't care.

00:05:05.000 You have to own the humor.

00:05:07.000 And Trump gets the self-deprecating humor, man.

00:05:09.000 Oh, he's totally about it.

00:05:10.000 So when he tweeted that video of himself on WWE with CNN's logo photoshopped over somebody's head beating him up, it was hysterical and in part because there's obviously a cheekiness about that and there's clearly a joke being made at Trump's expense because comedy comes from an incongruity.

00:05:25.000 And it's insane to imagine Trump actually going out and beating somebody up as this big tough guy.

00:05:29.000 So that's why it's funny.

00:05:31.000 It's not as if Trump is saying, I'm really coming after CNN.

00:05:34.000 I'll see you at the rig.

00:05:35.000 Like, the whole joke is that there's an incongruity here.

00:05:39.000 There's an incompatibility between this and what we actually know exists in reality.

00:05:41.000 And that's funny.

00:05:42.000 He's in the WWE Hall of Fame.

00:05:44.000 Is he really?

00:05:44.000 Yeah.

00:05:45.000 Well, he deserves it.

00:05:45.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:05:46.000 Well, he probably won.

00:05:47.000 That's the funny thing about it.

00:05:48.000 It was WWE.

00:05:50.000 It was like, it was gag fighting and CNN got really offended and then tried to threaten to dox the guy who made the meme.

00:05:57.000 That's right.

00:05:58.000 I remember that.

00:05:58.000 Some regular guy.

00:05:59.000 He made a joke.

00:06:00.000 Calm down, dude.

00:06:00.000 And they tried doxing him.

00:06:01.000 And that's one of the most fantastic things that Trump has done, is he's sort of forced the media to make it perfectly clear to the American people that they are most concerned with themselves and that they're willing to go after anyone who they see as a threat to their power.

00:06:14.000 He'll insult the media and they'll lose their minds and they'll make that a story.

00:06:17.000 And the American people are like, who cares?

00:06:19.000 You got insulted.

00:06:19.000 Deal with it.

00:06:20.000 Give me the actual news.

00:06:22.000 No, they don't want to.

00:06:23.000 They're offended.

00:06:24.000 They're triggered.

00:06:25.000 And so, you know, what I think happens, it's not that it's, it's the left.

00:06:29.000 It's that it is, it is.

00:06:31.000 But what I'm trying to say is the people who are politically left, that sense of humor are watching cartoons like you're making and, and, and it's funny.

00:06:38.000 So they're not on the left anymore.

00:06:41.000 If the people who are, who have a sense of humor are leaving to go find jokes elsewhere, because the left isn't funny, then all that's left is this withered husk that gets offended at everything.

00:06:49.000 And there's no laughter left.

00:06:50.000 One hundred percent.

00:06:51.000 Yeah, I've definitely noticed that.

00:06:52.000 I have a number of left-wing fans.

00:06:53.000 Obviously, I cater more to a conservative audience, but I've gotten comments and messages from people saying like, hey, I'm more left-leaning or I'm probably what you would have considered a liberal maybe five or ten years ago.

00:07:03.000 Still have the same views, but I really like your content, which is really flattering.

00:07:06.000 It's really flattering because that's not my target audience, but it's good to know that I'm able to make those people Well, but why not?

00:07:11.000 I mean, you've had videos where like Ben Shapiro reviews, Ben Shapiro reviews.

00:07:16.000 So it was like Ben was watching one of your videos and then you made a fake Ben Shapiro watch.

00:07:19.000 That's not, that's not attacking anyone's politics or anything like that.

00:07:22.000 It was just a joke about Ben Shapiro.

00:07:24.000 And it was funny because you may be familiar with the way Ben Shapiro talks.

00:07:27.000 You're doing an impersonation.

00:07:28.000 That was it.

00:07:29.000 Or like when you had the, didn't you have like the Jordan Peterson family Thanksgiving?

00:07:32.000 Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

00:07:33.000 We did a Ben Shapiro family Thanksgiving, and then I followed it up with a Jordan Peterson family Thanksgiving about a year later.

00:07:38.000 It's basically just a bunch of Jordan Petersons.

00:07:41.000 Come on, man.

00:07:41.000 If you're going to tell me you can't pass the turkey to me, then you're not properly embodying the archetypal mythos of a family at Thanksgiving.

00:07:47.000 What does Thanksgiving mean?

00:07:51.000 I've thought about this a lot.

00:07:53.000 It means we are giving thanks.

00:07:54.000 That's pretty straightforward.

00:07:56.000 It's like, what for?

00:07:57.000 Yeah, he's hilarious.

00:07:58.000 And Jordan Peterson too.

00:07:59.000 I mean, he's shared the videos I've done making fun of him.

00:08:02.000 He's super cool.

00:08:03.000 But you're not, it's not so much like you're making fun of him, you're making fun of this idea. 0.99

00:08:07.000 Like, that's why, you weren't saying he was dumb, you weren't saying he was a moron. 0.98

00:08:11.000 So why couldn't anybody laugh at that? 0.99

00:08:14.000 Even if you don't like Jordan Peterson, you were doing a video that was like, making a joke about this character.

00:08:20.000 Anybody left or right could enjoy that, yet you feel like your audience is going to skew conservative.

00:08:26.000 It seems weird, doesn't it?

00:08:27.000 Yeah, it does in some ways.

00:08:28.000 In some ways it makes sense because I'm definitely more conservative.

00:08:31.000 And like I said, your worldview does inadvertently come through in certain ways.

00:08:34.000 I think what you choose to rib on somebody for is going to be informed by what you take issue with or what you find endearing, which is affected by your political beliefs.

00:08:42.000 But I would also say that I do a number of educational cartoons with other organizations like the Foundation for Economic Education, and I also do some educational cartoons on the channel, though that's increasingly rare just because I've been having so much fun satirizing current events because it's an election year.

00:08:57.000 But that stuff is all, it tends to be more conservative or libertarian, so people sort of smell that in the water, and they know my biases, and so I think maybe that turns them off just because of how partisan everything's become.

00:09:11.000 Have you been drawing your whole life?

00:09:13.000 Yeah, ever since I was a little kid.

00:09:14.000 I've been drawing cartoons since I was really little.

00:09:15.000 How did you get started?

00:09:16.000 Just with like, you know, pencil, paper, crayons.

00:09:19.000 What about impersonations?

00:09:20.000 Impersonations?

00:09:21.000 I think I started doing impersonations when I was 14.

00:09:24.000 13 or 14.

00:09:26.000 One of my cousins from the inner city Chicago actually came to live with us for a little while.

00:09:32.000 And he was really, really funny.

00:09:33.000 And he would do this George Bush impression.

00:09:36.000 And I'm sure mine isn't very good, but I would just start to imitate his.

00:09:39.000 Like, my film air cans, we will do this and that.

00:09:41.000 And then from there, it was always something I'd wanted to learn to do, but hearing him do an impression helped me to be able to do it.

00:09:47.000 And then after that, I just started noticing that I, like many extroverts, will, to an extent, sponge off of people's personalities.

00:09:55.000 Like, sometimes if you're consuming a lot of somebody's content, you'll adopt their speech patterns without really noticing it.

00:10:01.000 And so, you know, I'd be listening to a lot of Ben Shapiro and then I would hear myself use a phrase that wasn't natural to me or that I didn't use that often.

00:10:07.000 And I would say, oh, I'm saying that because I heard Ben Shapiro say it 30 times in a row.

00:10:11.000 And then I add that to the category of Ben Shapiro impression.

00:10:14.000 And so, yeah, that's basically it.

00:10:15.000 That's why it's kind of hard for me to do impressions of people who I don't like.

00:10:18.000 Oh, interesting.

00:10:19.000 Yeah.

00:10:19.000 And it's hard for me to do videos making fun of people I don't like.

00:10:21.000 I've done it in the past, but it's one thing to do a video making fun of a group that I take issue with.

00:10:28.000 So when I make fun of the left, I just, as of recent, I've more or less depicted them as belligerent noisemakers, because that's more or less how I view them.

00:10:37.000 But, as individuals, it's hard for me to take a left-wing person, who I genuinely don't like, and do a cartoon about them.

00:10:46.000 Because halfway through it, it aggravates me.

00:10:49.000 And it's hard for me to capture the part about them that might make an audience like a character.

00:10:52.000 So even with Bernie Sanders, I entirely disagree with Bernie Sanders politics.

00:10:56.000 I really, really disagree with him.

00:10:59.000 Not a fan at all, but I do videos making fun of him and in part it's because there is this element of his personality that I actually enjoy.

00:11:06.000 There's this part of him that I find endearing and so that's why it's fun to do an impression of him and make a cartoon riffing on him.

00:11:12.000 Well, speaking of Bernie Sanders, we have a lot to talk about tonight.

00:11:17.000 300 federal charges were announced by the DOJ.

00:11:19.000 A Louisville police major, I guess, says that they're all basement-dwelling punks.

00:11:24.000 Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

00:11:25.000 And it has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders, I just thought it would be funny to tie Bernie Sanders to Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

00:11:29.000 That's hilarious, how dare you?

00:11:30.000 God, it's slander!

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00:11:47.000 and of course we're being joined by Seamus of Freedom Tunes.

00:11:49.000 Thank you.

00:11:51.000 We're gonna talk about a bunch of stuff and I guess we're gonna start off with this story about the Louisville police major calling Black Lives Matter and Antifa supporters punks.

00:12:00.000 Oof.

00:12:01.000 So, uh, I'll just pull up the story right here.

00:12:02.000 Check it out.

00:12:03.000 Daily Mail reports, Louisville police major calls Black Lives Matter and Antifa supporters, punks, who will always be living in their parents' basement and washing our cars in message to division she commands.

00:12:18.000 That's a little bold.

00:12:20.000 Washing our cars?

00:12:21.000 What does that mean?

00:12:21.000 Well, that's kind of what they're saying, though, isn't it?

00:12:23.000 Like, we don't have any future because the system is rigged against us.

00:12:28.000 I mean, it sounds like they're saying rabble, rabble, rabble.

00:12:33.000 I was talking to a friend earlier, and I asked her, I was like, do you know, because she was talking about Black Lives Matter and stuff, and I was like, do you know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed last year by the police?

00:12:43.000 It's like, oh, I don't know, but you can Google it.

00:12:45.000 I'm like, no, I know the number, because I have Googled it.

00:12:47.000 I looked it up, and well, I don't know, but it's a lot.

00:12:49.000 I'm like, it's 13.

00:12:50.000 I thought it was eight.

00:12:51.000 Okay, so you're... Yeah, so the Wall Street Journal's number was nine, but I'm using Black Lives Matter's number.

00:12:57.000 I'm using the Washington Post's activist number, 13.

00:13:00.000 That doesn't mean all innocent people potentially killed.

00:13:04.000 It's unarmed black men who were shot, so it doesn't include women.

00:13:08.000 It's 13, and there's 375 million estimated police interactions.

00:13:12.000 It doesn't sound like hunting or anything like that.

00:13:15.000 Yeah, and I think there was a breakdown done, maybe, it was either by Matt Walsh or Michael Knowles, I apologize for forgetting who it was, but they actually looked through the cases of unarmed black men being killed by the police, and in some of them, I remember one in particular, like an old woman was being attacked.

00:13:29.000 So, unarmed is tricky because people can be armed and the shooting is unjustified, and someone can be unarmed and the shooting is justified.

00:13:36.000 Exactly.

00:13:36.000 It's not as helpful a term as people think it is.

00:13:39.000 It's just the language they use because it makes it seem justified.

00:13:43.000 Exactly.

00:13:44.000 Like, Breonna Taylor was unarmed.

00:13:46.000 They deemed her killing justified.

00:13:48.000 Now I'm seeing all the activists and everybody's rising up, and this is the police officer we're seeing who's calling them, you know, basement-dwelling punks who are gonna wash our cars, is Louisville, and that's where this is all going down.

00:13:57.000 But the... Justify doesn't mean... I think a lot of people don't understand this, too.

00:14:01.000 Justify doesn't mean warranted.

00:14:03.000 It doesn't mean good.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 It means the police were cleared, in that circumstance, to fire that gun.

00:14:10.000 Yep.

00:14:10.000 And so that's what happened, you know, with Breonna Taylor.

00:14:13.000 Of course, all we get from the left is... I'm not trying to blanket every single person, but yeah, too many of them.

00:14:19.000 Propaganda.

00:14:20.000 She was sleeping in her bed.

00:14:21.000 They fired blindly through the door, breaking the door in.

00:14:25.000 It's like, none of that happened, man.

00:14:26.000 None of that happened.

00:14:27.000 Now, as for this lady, we have Major Bridget Hallahan, who commands the Louisville Metro Police, 5th Division, allegedly sent the message. 0.97

00:14:36.000 I think this is funny, because should we care that she's insulting them this way?

00:14:42.000 You're saying, you're shaking your head.

00:14:44.000 I don't think it should bother us all that much.

00:14:45.000 I mean, they are burning down our cities.

00:14:47.000 I think a couple mean words are probably in order at this point.

00:14:49.000 The first thing I thought about was the basket of deplorables Hillary Clinton comment. 1.00

00:14:53.000 Yeah, well, that's incited a bunch of people and they're and so I think I I'm the kind of person who was like, oh, who cares?

00:15:02.000 He called him names, right?

00:15:03.000 But they're definitely use it.

00:15:04.000 The left is going to use this.

00:15:05.000 They're going to be like, see what the police are saying.

00:15:07.000 And they killed this person.

00:15:08.000 Now they're mocking us on top of the murder of a woman sleeping in her own bed.

00:15:13.000 How long before they start saying punk is a dog whistle for something much more nefarious?

00:15:18.000 Oh for sure, for sure.

00:15:19.000 Yeah, let me read this quote.

00:15:20.000 She said, These Antifa and BLM people, especially the ones who just 1.00

00:15:25.000 jumped on the bandwagon yesterday because they became woke, insert eye roll here, do not

00:15:30.000 deserve a second glance or thought from us.

00:15:32.000 Our little pinky toenails have more character, morals, and ethics 1.00

00:15:36.000 than these punks have in their entire body. 0.95

00:15:39.000 Do not stop to their level.

00:15:43.000 Do not respond to them.

00:15:44.000 If we do, we only validate what they did.

00:15:46.000 Don't make them important, because they are not.

00:15:49.000 They will be the ones washing our cars, cashing us out at the Walmart, or living in their parents' basement playing COD for their entire life.

00:15:58.000 Yikes! 1.00

00:15:59.000 That's all right.

00:15:59.000 That's a little bit inflammatory.

00:16:01.000 Seriously.

00:16:02.000 I feel like she could have stopped where she was saying, do not stoop to their level, because I'm assuming that's true.

00:16:07.000 And then she did.

00:16:08.000 To be fair, she did not torch a sports bar.

00:16:12.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:16:13.000 I don't know if she really stooped to their level.

00:16:14.000 Telling the cops, don't go around burning down the city.

00:16:17.000 That's like a really, like the bars on the floor.

00:16:19.000 It's like, okay.

00:16:20.000 I'm going to walk right over that.

00:16:22.000 Sure.

00:16:23.000 I man-terrupted Lydia, though.

00:16:24.000 I'd like to hear yours.

00:16:25.000 Man-terrupted?

00:16:26.000 I feel like that was really kind of the gist of what she was saying, but she kind of cased it in some really snarky sass. 0.97

00:16:32.000 I'm like, bro, that wasn't professional.

00:16:34.000 I mean, sis.

00:16:35.000 She's a lady. 1.00

00:16:36.000 Sis.

00:16:36.000 Look at us.

00:16:37.000 Me and Lydia are being so PC tonight.

00:16:39.000 For sure, for sure.

00:16:40.000 Like, why is she ragging on Call of Duty? 0.99

00:16:42.000 Yeah, also, what's wrong with Call of Duty?

00:16:44.000 Is Call of Duty played by, like, primarily leftists?

00:16:47.000 I don't know.

00:16:48.000 That strikes me as Halo, you know?

00:16:52.000 Isn't Basement Dweller typically, like, the left wing insults the right as Basement Dwellers?

00:16:56.000 I find, like, Neckbeard and Basement Dweller are just what you call anyone who has upset you on the internet. 0.82

00:17:01.000 Yeah, SJW women are like lady neckbeards. 1.00

00:17:04.000 Oh, they call them legbeards. 1.00

00:17:05.000 Legbeards, I'd like to hear that one. 0.78

00:17:07.000 You never heard that?

00:17:07.000 It's like if someone disagrees with me, they're not attractive.

00:17:10.000 I can guarantee it.

00:17:11.000 That's sort of the thinking.

00:17:12.000 That's funny.

00:17:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:13.000 It's like, it really doesn't make sense as far as they can take it.

00:17:17.000 You insulted me and hurt my feelings and you're ugly. 0.99

00:17:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:21.000 And that's, well.

00:17:22.000 It's kind of what she, she didn't call him ugly per se.

00:17:25.000 This is a police officer?

00:17:26.000 This is a lieutenant?

00:17:29.000 A major?

00:17:30.000 Name calling?

00:17:31.000 This is insane.

00:17:32.000 That woman is totally unprofessional and is going to do way more damage than she... Oh, that was leaked? 1.00

00:17:40.000 Yeah, she didn't say it publicly.

00:17:42.000 Oh my gosh.

00:17:42.000 She was like sending a message to her co-workers.

00:17:45.000 Oh, well, I get that then. 0.99

00:17:46.000 That's ridiculous. 0.65

00:17:47.000 I mean, a little bit, because you don't want to give them attention. 0.98

00:17:49.000 You want to not focus the media on them and just shut them up and shut them down.

00:17:53.000 Dude, I hate when this happens.

00:17:54.000 I hate... Alright. 0.59

00:17:55.000 It's one thing if they said something ridiculous and over-the-top and inflammatory that was intended to be inflammatory and was said to the public, but I hate when a private statement becomes a story like this, when it becomes national news.

00:18:07.000 If this is so inflammatory, then why isn't the story about how unbelievably irresponsible it was for whoever leaked this to leak it?

00:18:13.000 Yeah, who leaked it?

00:18:15.000 It doesn't say, does it?

00:18:17.000 Um, maybe?

00:18:17.000 Anonymous source!

00:18:19.000 Yes, we trust them.

00:18:21.000 What did they say?

00:18:22.000 Oh, the Daily Mail says this.

00:18:25.000 Major Bridget Hallihan, who is white.

00:18:29.000 Oh my goodness!

00:18:30.000 This changes everything!

00:18:31.000 That's relevant.

00:18:32.000 I was okay with her comments at first, but now I'm outraged.

00:18:36.000 Did you hear what Maj had to say the other day?

00:18:38.000 Maj Toure from Black Guns Matter? 0.98

00:18:40.000 He said that he saw a bunch of white antifunny yelled at him like, where are the black people at? 0.87

00:18:46.000 I don't care what her race is, these Antifa people are mostly white people going around doing this. 0.99

00:18:52.000 It's funny, yeah, I didn't get to catch the podcast you did with Maj, but you guys accidentally put my Twitter handle in there, so I was getting a bunch of tweets for him as the show was going, and they were like, at Seamus, like they tagged some college professor, like, at Seamus Coghlan says you're scared to debate him.

00:19:05.000 I was like, what have I gotten myself into?

00:19:07.000 You should have just accepted it, like, I accept your debate.

00:19:11.000 I have no idea what we're arguing about.

00:19:12.000 I'll just argue with anybody for any reason.

00:19:16.000 It was written by her.

00:19:18.000 So the Courier Journal published the statement.

00:19:21.000 And I don't think they say where it came from.

00:19:27.000 And I don't think it's actually as bad as the Daily Mail makes out to be.

00:19:30.000 Here's another quote from the email.

00:19:32.000 There is currently no recourse we have for incidents involving doxing of officers or their families.

00:19:36.000 What we can do is speak up against them and put the truth out there.

00:19:40.000 Through the PIO office and the LMPDFB page.

00:19:43.000 We will come back at them on their own page to let them and everyone else know they are lying.

00:19:48.000 We will print the facts. I will see to it.

00:19:50.000 We have already taken care of one incident. I hope we never have to do it again.

00:19:53.000 Just know I got your back.

00:19:55.000 She was messaging her staff because they were getting doxed by Antifa and far leftists.

00:20:01.000 And this was her message.

00:20:03.000 And then she goes on to say, you know, what did she say?

00:20:06.000 I am disappointed.

00:20:07.000 So this is a Metro Councilman who is now dragging her over this.

00:20:10.000 So this, this is what the media does because they want to take something salacious and do whatever they can to make the police look bad. 0.99

00:20:17.000 So if you, could you imagine like having a private conversation with somebody at work and being like, man, Jerry down in accounting, what a dick. 0.97

00:20:24.000 And then someone hears you and they run and they tell somebody. 0.98

00:20:27.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.97

00:20:27.000 If you're the boss though, and you're trash talking people, that's bad for morale. 0.97

00:20:32.000 Yeah, but you're trash talking the people who are doxing your subordinates. 0.92

00:20:35.000 It's true, but I don't think it's the best way to boost morale for the team.

00:20:41.000 I mean, honestly, I think it's a low blow and somebody might have saw that and been like, you know, this girl's way out of line here.

00:20:48.000 Are you saying she othered them, Ian?

00:20:50.000 If she's going to say that about them, she's probably going to say that about me.

00:20:53.000 No, I don't know if the people at work are all that concerned.

00:20:56.000 I don't think the other cops are like, oh no, she's going to insult me.

00:20:59.000 That's kind of how people are.

00:21:02.000 If someone does it against someone else, you can bet that they're going to do it against you when you're not around.

00:21:07.000 Nah, this is tribalism.

00:21:09.000 This is the police saying, she's saying, I got your back.

00:21:12.000 These people are bad.

00:21:13.000 What's happening is the media is using it to say, see, the cops hate you. 1.00

00:21:17.000 The cops think you're losers. 0.95

00:21:18.000 The cops think you're gonna wash their cars for them. 1.00

00:21:20.000 It's like blowing it out of proportion that it's just this one girl's opinion.

00:21:23.000 Now it's making it seem like it's a police mentality.

00:21:25.000 The police major says all Black Lives Matter are punks and basement dwellers and you know.

00:21:29.000 As if she had a public statement where she wrote, asterisk, insert eye roll here, asterisk, instead of just posting it online. 0.99

00:21:35.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 0.78

00:21:37.000 I'm pretty sure she did say that. 0.87

00:21:38.000 Yeah, that's what you mentioned.

00:21:39.000 Right, right, right.

00:21:39.000 It says, like, parentheses, insert eye roll.

00:21:40.000 I was like, oh, just a written statement.

00:21:42.000 Because when you were first discussing it, I thought that this was something she had said publicly or actually stated out loud.

00:21:48.000 But yeah, it was clearly something she wrote down.

00:21:51.000 Now you've mentioned it was in a private chat, so this is not the story that I thought it was at first.

00:21:56.000 This is why we have to read past headlines, but many people will not read past the headline, which is a serious problem.

00:22:01.000 This does seem a little heavy-handed and unprofessional of her, but I also understand what she's trying to do.

00:22:06.000 She's kind of trying to team build for them. 1.00

00:22:07.000 She's trying to hype them up before they're big, huge, you know, they're tangling with BLM and Antifa.

00:22:13.000 Yeah, they're about to go out and they're about to get bricks thrown at their faces, but maybe she shouldn't be riling him up that way.

00:22:22.000 Or no, no, you know what?

00:22:23.000 Honestly, I think I get what she's trying to do.

00:22:26.000 You gotta satisfy that emotion. 0.97

00:22:27.000 She's trying to make sure they don't act a fool. 0.99

00:22:29.000 These cops don't go out and do dumb things. 0.98

00:22:32.000 So she's giving them that emotional satisfaction, saying, I get it. 1.00

00:22:35.000 They're really dumb. 1.00

00:22:36.000 They're losers. 1.00

00:22:37.000 Don't stoop to their level. 1.00

00:22:38.000 Because she doesn't want the cop to go out there and crack a skull. 0.84

00:22:40.000 That's interesting.

00:22:41.000 See what I'm saying?

00:22:42.000 Yeah, I kind of get where you're coming from.

00:22:43.000 If she wanted them to go out and do violence against these protesters or rioters, really, what she would be saying is, They're gonna take over this country, and then they're gonna be in charge of you, and you're gonna be washing their car.

00:22:56.000 That's the kind of rhetoric you would expect from a person who wants you to become angry with the other side.

00:23:01.000 But she's basically boiling them down to a non-threat.

00:23:05.000 I see it like, if this was D&D, and she was using her charisma, instead of choosing persuasion, she chose intimidation. 0.68

00:23:12.000 They're both charisma abilities, and they both get the job done.

00:23:16.000 It'll work, I guess, right?

00:23:17.000 I mean, she's just trying to get them hyped up a little bit, but not too hyped up.

00:23:21.000 She's trying to show that they're all on the same team.

00:23:22.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:23:23.000 Well, and this is also one of those things, too, where if somebody hurts somebody that you love or care about, who you're supposed to be protecting, one of the first places you go is, that person's a loser.

00:23:32.000 You shouldn't care what they think. 0.78

00:23:33.000 You shouldn't care about what they did to you.

00:23:34.000 And these people, these people were doxing police officers, her subordinates.

00:23:38.000 So it makes sense for her to be like, look, don't worry about them.

00:23:40.000 They're not a threat.

00:23:40.000 We're going to keep them under control.

00:23:43.000 You could also, rather than be like that kid's a loser, like if it was your mom talking to a kid that's crying, got 1.00

00:23:47.000 bullied at school, that kid's a loser anyway. 0.97

00:23:49.000 Or she could be like, that kid comes from a troubled family, don't take it personally. 0.99

00:23:53.000 There's two ways to explain their behavior.

00:23:56.000 One is intimidating, one is persuasive.

00:23:58.000 She should have said to them, we here at the LMPD are better than Antifa, and we know it!

00:24:04.000 We're better people.

00:24:06.000 Look at how great we are.

00:24:07.000 Smile.

00:24:09.000 Well, I think we've beaten the dead horse on that one.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, that was intense.

00:24:14.000 But there's more news.

00:24:17.000 Department of Justice!

00:24:19.000 They've announced now 300 people are facing federal charges for crimes committed during nationwide demonstrations.

00:24:27.000 If you thought last night was crazy, where we had two cops shot, one cop got cracked over the back of the head with a metal baseball bat.

00:24:35.000 He was wearing a helmet, thankfully.

00:24:38.000 And I think it was in Portland, someone chucked a Molotov at these cops and they had to dodge out of the way.

00:24:43.000 Wait till we get to this weekend.

00:24:46.000 So we got 300 now, federal charges.

00:24:48.000 That seems low to me.

00:24:49.000 Honestly, yeah.

00:24:50.000 There were, I think, 14,000 arrests in the first couple of weeks of the George Floyd riots.

00:24:58.000 And we're only at 300 federal charges?

00:25:00.000 They're announcing this like I'm gonna be like, oh, that's great.

00:25:04.000 That seems really low, you know?

00:25:06.000 Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

00:25:07.000 I hear what you're saying.

00:25:07.000 I think most people just aren't familiar with how many arrests are made, but when I heard this entire nation is on fire right now, there are riots in so many major cities, and for there to only be 300 charges at this point.

00:25:18.000 What was the exact language you used?

00:25:21.000 300 federal crimes?

00:25:22.000 Yeah, 300 people are facing federal charges.

00:25:25.000 Some attempted murder!

00:25:27.000 Look at this.

00:25:27.000 Let me read.

00:25:28.000 They say, to date, of 94 U.S.

00:25:30.000 Attorney's Offices, more than 40 USAOs have filed federal charges alleging crimes ranging from attempted murder, assaulting a law enforcement officer, arson, burglary of a federally licensed firearms dealer.

00:25:41.000 Oh my goodness!

00:25:41.000 Wow!

00:25:42.000 And you'd think we would have said that for the murder part.

00:25:44.000 No.

00:25:44.000 Stealing guns?

00:25:45.000 Damn it. 0.99

00:25:46.000 Isn't it interesting how a lot of that has just gone completely unreported? 0.99

00:25:50.000 So this is a crazy story, man.

00:25:52.000 I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret.

00:25:55.000 Oh, please do.

00:25:56.000 So in Philadelphia, during like the peak of the riots, some dudes tried breaking into a, I think it was in Philadelphia, it was in Pennsylvania, a gun shop in like South Philly.

00:26:05.000 And as soon as they broke in, the gun owner was sitting right there, and he was armed, and he went click-bang, and one of those dudes died.

00:26:14.000 The crazy thing is, I think it was the ATF, they knew about this.

00:26:18.000 So I had talked to a gun shop owner about what was going on, asking if they had heard this, and they said, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the day before that happened, The ATF called around, said, we have intel that some of these groups are planning on looting gun shops.

00:26:35.000 And so what I was told is this guy said he just stayed overnight in his shop.

00:26:40.000 Wow.

00:26:41.000 So when I heard that I was like, whoa, so this guy at his shop in South Philly Probably got the same phone call.

00:26:47.000 Probably did the same thing you did.

00:26:49.000 And it was like three or four guys tried breaking into a gun shop. 1.00

00:26:52.000 That's a special kind of stupid. 1.00

00:26:54.000 Yeah, unbelievably stupid. 1.00

00:26:55.000 Like, I'm gonna break into a place where this guy knows everything there is to know about guns and has many of them literally behind him. 1.00

00:27:02.000 And then a dude died.

00:27:03.000 That's literally just suicide at that point.

00:27:06.000 I wonder, there was a viral video during this where like, I think it was in Atlanta, they crashed a truck into the front of a gun store, and then you see people just run in and start grabbing guns like crazy.

00:27:17.000 And you know what's funny?

00:27:17.000 All of the people who would try to claim that it was too harsh to shoot somebody for breaking and entering into a gun store would probably say that we need to be keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals for thorough background checks.

00:27:29.000 It's insane.

00:27:29.000 So, where was it you said in Atlanta that they crashed?

00:27:31.000 I think it was Atlanta.

00:27:33.000 Yeah, you want to see if you can do a quick search?

00:27:35.000 I think it was Atlanta, and I think it's funny that... Where's the big breaking news on this one?

00:27:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:41.000 That seems like a story to me.

00:27:42.000 Like, maybe a front-page story.

00:27:44.000 Can you imagine if some right-wing group had done the same thing, or protests associated with the right-wing resulted in that kind of activity?

00:27:50.000 You know what?

00:27:51.000 You know what it is?

00:27:52.000 I think this media bias, where it's like, right is always bad, comes from the fact that in New York, it was liberal elites who were reading the paper, and that was their bread and butter, and that's the narrative they've maintained.

00:28:06.000 But now that we've democratized information way more with the internet, Now the New York Times is still chasing after that demographic that doesn't really make sense for them anymore.

00:28:14.000 And so they start chasing it harder and harder, desperate.

00:28:18.000 So if you get a right-wing group breaking into a gun shop and stealing guns, it'll be the front page of every newspaper. 0.93

00:28:23.000 They're terrorists. 0.87

00:28:24.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.96

00:28:25.000 Well, when the right-wing dudes went to the steps of the Michigan State Building, and they just stood there smiling, holding like Gadsden flags, they were like, right-wing terrorists!

00:28:33.000 Jack Storm the building!

00:28:35.000 Isn't it hilarious too that this is something that journalists have always said or they've been really saying

00:28:39.000 for the past four years Which is that Trump is making life unsafe for journalists

00:28:43.000 because the far-right has been empowered and then it was BLM that went and attacked CNN

00:28:47.000 Oh, yeah. Yeah, they like smashed up the front of the building and like tried getting in there

00:28:51.000 The cops showed up and they were throwing stuff at him.

00:28:53.000 Wasn't Trump supporters.

00:28:54.000 And dude, it's never Trump supporters.

00:28:56.000 Trump supporters, you know, I was talking about this.

00:28:59.000 I've always talked about this.

00:29:00.000 It's not a new thing.

00:29:02.000 I remember I went down to Tea Party events and I saw what these people were doing and I was aghast.

00:29:08.000 Do you know what these people had the nerve to do?

00:29:11.000 Sit in lawn chairs waving miniature American flags.

00:29:14.000 My goodness, Tim.

00:29:15.000 I'd like to see a citation for that.

00:29:18.000 No, it's hilarious.

00:29:19.000 I remember at the March for Life 2019, and we all remember this because it blew up into a massive story.

00:29:24.000 It was suspected that a teenage boy was being insulting and harassing towards an elderly Native American.

00:29:32.000 Vietnam veteran.

00:29:33.000 A Vietnam era veteran, which is a wonderfully slimy term. 1.00

00:29:38.000 Refrigerator technician in Omaha or something.

00:29:40.000 Exactly.

00:29:41.000 And this became a massive story. 0.90

00:29:43.000 First of all, not only did that all turn out to be complete nonsense, and they just tried to ruin this kid's life for a story, but the fact that that would have been national news or was national news when they thought it was true is ridiculous.

00:29:56.000 Whereas you have people burning buildings down, and there are 40 charges you mentioned. 0.53

00:30:01.000 Some of them are attempted murder, and that's not even being discussed.

00:30:05.000 Like, that's not even discussed by the media.

00:30:06.000 That's mostly peaceful.

00:30:07.000 Most of these media companies, okay, this is conspiratorial, are owned by the same people.

00:30:13.000 Is it safe to say that?

00:30:14.000 And how far up the chain can we go on YouTube without getting demonetized?

00:30:18.000 Oh, not very far at all.

00:30:19.000 That's crazy.

00:30:20.000 I know.

00:30:20.000 How far up the chain?

00:30:21.000 Oh, like starting to name names?

00:30:22.000 Yeah, like, uh-oh.

00:30:23.000 Listen, what you've got to understand about these media companies is that the person who owns them is not dictating what people can talk about.

00:30:33.000 No.

00:30:33.000 What they're doing is they're hiring people who already talk about it.

00:30:37.000 You were just describing something, and I had this image in my head that I think would be a really excellent skit, where it's like, the New York Times, like, 1980-something, and it's a bunch of, like, you know, monocle-wearing dudes in suits, all, like, very proud, and with that North Atlantic dialect, oh, dare I say, you know?

00:30:52.000 This story about the Republicans is quite interesting.

00:30:55.000 And then it's like, as time goes on, it's like a post-apocalyptic scene where we're in today, it's 2020.

00:31:01.000 There's like Trump everywhere in every newspaper.

00:31:04.000 And you see this old, decrepit, haunted-looking New York Times building because they're like collapsing.

00:31:09.000 This would be great for like 2030.

00:31:10.000 And you go in and there's just like zombie-looking people with like mangled bones and skin and their hair's all like splotchy.

00:31:18.000 And then you like walk in and they're like, Trump!

00:31:20.000 And that's what's going to happen if Trump doesn't win.

00:31:22.000 They're going to become ravenous.

00:31:24.000 It's almost like they're going to be drug addled.

00:31:26.000 They're addiction.

00:31:28.000 They won't get their fix anymore.

00:31:29.000 There's nothing to talk about.

00:31:30.000 So they're going to become withered husks desperate to try and capture a story about Trump.

00:31:34.000 That's what the media is turning into.

00:31:36.000 Yeah.

00:31:36.000 Well, if not, they're already that now.

00:31:37.000 Well, and that's the thing.

00:31:38.000 I think they more or less have just revealed how horrible they already were.

00:31:42.000 I mean, if you look back in history, the media in this country has always, in the mainstream media in this country, in the modern media, has always been really left-leaning.

00:31:48.000 I'm sure you know about Walter Durante, who basically... No, no, no.

00:31:51.000 Oh yeah, so Walter Durante was a reporter for the New York Times who wrote on Russian affairs, and he did everything the Russian government wanted him to do, or the Soviet government wanted him to do, with respect to covering up the Holodomor, which is when they starve. 0.96

00:32:06.000 Millions of people to death in the Ukraine.

00:32:09.000 And well, when whistleblowers tried to bring the story into the American consciousness and tell the rest of the West what was happening in Soviet Russia, he said that they were liars and discredited them.

00:32:18.000 And he won a Pulitzer Prize.

00:32:20.000 He won a Pulitzer Prize.

00:32:22.000 And in 2003, they investigated his case and chose not to revoke the Pulitzer.

00:32:28.000 You guys want to know some more secrets?

00:32:29.000 I would like to know all the secrets.

00:32:30.000 You know these awards are all fake, right?

00:32:32.000 Exactly.

00:32:32.000 You know how you get the award?

00:32:34.000 You pay for it!

00:32:36.000 Really?

00:32:36.000 Okay, I figured you just had the right political opinions.

00:32:38.000 So, yes, what happens is you submit the award, and you submit the award fee for, you know, and then if you have the right politics, it's everything.

00:32:48.000 They're like, oh, we're gonna give the award to this group for this reason, and you have to submit, and not every single award is this way, but many of them it's like, did you pay your award fee?

00:32:59.000 Can you explain the Holdomar?

00:33:01.000 I'm sorry.

00:33:01.000 Yes, I'll get into that in a moment, but I have one question about this.

00:33:04.000 So if you have the wrong politics, can you still buy it and it just costs more money?

00:33:07.000 Because that might explain why Trump- Well, no, no, no.

00:33:09.000 Let me clarify.

00:33:10.000 You're not buying the award.

00:33:11.000 No, I get it.

00:33:12.000 You're buying entrance.

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:13.000 And then they decide you win, you know.

00:33:16.000 It's like these lists they have, like 30 under 30, 40 under 40.

00:33:20.000 It's like, dude, we get it.

00:33:21.000 You guys went out for drinks last night and you just slopped a bunch of names on a piece of paper and then acted like they were important.

00:33:26.000 Yep.

00:33:27.000 Look, the news industry is an incestuous, disgusting beast of salacious gossip between people who live in New York and are bored.

00:33:36.000 And they prop each other up.

00:33:37.000 It's like, you read a newspaper and it's like, Seamus of Freedom Tunes is an up-and-coming young star.

00:33:43.000 He's amazing.

00:33:44.000 And then you publish a cartoon where you're like, Forbes magazine is the best magazine ever.

00:33:48.000 Yeah, we got our work and I'm sad me awards exactly Superlative awards most likely to succeed if you know the

00:33:55.000 people that are making the yearbook They're gonna make you the most popular most intelligent

00:34:00.000 and marketing is everything baby, and they've they rated me ugliest

00:34:04.000 Can you believe that you can't school?

00:34:06.000 It's all rigged. You can't sell it if people don't know it exists

00:34:10.000 But you're beautiful.

00:34:10.000 No, exactly.

00:34:11.000 I'm really sad that you trashed the 30 under 30, though, because I was really hoping to make that this year.

00:34:14.000 You'll get it.

00:34:15.000 And now they're just never going to consider me.

00:34:16.000 They're not going to.

00:34:17.000 Of course not.

00:34:18.000 No, Tim, I really want it.

00:34:20.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:34:20.000 I love it.

00:34:21.000 There was one where one of the judges was the boss of a couple of the people who got it, and I'm like, get out.

00:34:26.000 That's hysterical.

00:34:27.000 It was like, we have an expert panel of individuals who chose their own staff to be featured in our magazine to promote their work that this guy owns and makes money off of.

00:34:35.000 Imagine winning awards.

00:34:37.000 Who even wants it? 0.92

00:34:38.000 It's ridiculous. 0.61

00:34:38.000 I wanted it so bad when I was a kid. 0.61

00:34:40.000 I want a Nobel Peace Prize.

00:34:41.000 Donald Trump wants to win a Nobel Peace Prize.

00:34:44.000 You know what?

00:34:45.000 That's the thing.

00:34:46.000 There's actually a case to be made there.

00:34:48.000 There's actually a case to be made for that.

00:34:50.000 They won't give it to him.

00:34:51.000 No, of course they won't, but he hasn't started a new war.

00:34:53.000 He's the first president in 40 years to not start another war.

00:34:56.000 Now granted, that's kind of a low bar, but he still exceeded it.

00:35:01.000 He's not only got no new wars, he's got three historic peace agreements just now in the past month, and he's withdrawing troops from the Middle East.

00:35:10.000 I'm just sitting here, I'm sitting back like, oh.

00:35:13.000 Dude, they're playing the Israeli national anthem in the United Arab Emirates.

00:35:16.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:35:17.000 Oh, that was fake news?

00:35:18.000 I couldn't confirm that.

00:35:19.000 I wanted it to be true.

00:35:20.000 I did too, and I dug around.

00:35:21.000 I heard that they were playing it in Mecca too.

00:35:24.000 I don't know about that.

00:35:26.000 I searched for it and there's a video where they're like, oh, you know, the Burj Khalifa, it's in Dubai, right?

00:35:32.000 They're like, it's playing the Israeli national anthem.

00:35:34.000 And it sounds like someone just put the audio over the video.

00:35:38.000 And so I found it on a Turkish website, but that was the only thing I could find.

00:35:41.000 No one else talking about it.

00:35:42.000 No videos, nothing confirming it.

00:35:43.000 And it didn't seem...

00:35:45.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:35:46.000 I don't know.

00:35:46.000 But look, regardless, these peace agreements are historic.

00:35:51.000 And I think Trump's made a lot of enemies doing that.

00:35:56.000 100%.

00:35:57.000 Who votes on the Nobel Prize?

00:36:00.000 Or the peace?

00:36:00.000 I think it's the Norwegian parliament?

00:36:04.000 I have no clue.

00:36:05.000 Norway?

00:36:05.000 Or is it Sweden?

00:36:05.000 I believe it's Norway.

00:36:06.000 Norway, right?

00:36:07.000 I think it's Norway.

00:36:08.000 So there is a chance.

00:36:08.000 I don't know.

00:36:08.000 I could be wrong.

00:36:10.000 Maybe Obama won.

00:36:11.000 Yeah, but Obama had the right political values.

00:36:14.000 He was their guy.

00:36:15.000 Yeah, Trump's not.

00:36:16.000 Not even close.

00:36:17.000 And when he got nominated, the media was basically poisoning the well on the guy who nominated him.

00:36:22.000 I was looking for just a regular story to explain what Trump got nominated for.

00:36:25.000 He got nominated twice in like a week.

00:36:28.000 And so I see this story and it was like, Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize.

00:36:30.000 And I was like, wow, by who?

00:36:32.000 Far right extremist anti- I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down.

00:36:36.000 Far right extremist who's happy that we're not starting new wars, nominates Donald Trump.

00:36:40.000 They didn't actually say extremist, but they were just like a far right anti-immigrant skeptic.

00:36:45.000 Anti-something, anti-this.

00:36:45.000 Right, right, right.

00:36:46.000 But the funny thing about it is I'm like, what do you mean this Norwegian guy is far right? 0.86

00:36:51.000 Yeah, what does that mean?

00:36:52.000 Norway is so much further left than we are as a nation.

00:36:56.000 If this guy is far right, Trump must not even, he must have looped all the way back around and outlapped this guy a couple times.

00:37:01.000 And they nominated him because of the peace.

00:37:02.000 How though?

00:37:02.000 Yeah, yeah, as if far-right people are all that concerned with the peace prize. That's just like really big to them

00:37:08.000 They know what is far. Here's the problem mean anything.

00:37:10.000 What does far right mean? Yeah, here's the thing. I'm so old

00:37:12.000 I remember when you actually had to be conservative to be considered far, right? The term literally just means I don't

00:37:17.000 like you Yeah

00:37:18.000 It's not it's not just that when we say far left You can you can define very easily a far left a far leftist

00:37:24.000 how though they even mean so far left Refers to left and right refer to economics and culture

00:37:31.000 when you say far left the far left individuals in this country

00:37:35.000 almost all of them are economically far left and culturally culturally far left

00:37:40.000 meaning they want a communist or socialist system and They're ultra progressive like, you know leftist identitarian

00:37:46.000 white people bad like like whiteness I should say not people but like they're like the idea of 1.00

00:37:50.000 whiteness and critical race theory When you say far-right, you could be talking about a laissez-faire capitalist who's 0.98

00:37:56.000 Not particularly traditional.

00:37:57.000 You could be talking about a progressive laissez-faire capitalist that doesn't seem to make sense, but could possibly exist.

00:38:02.000 You could be talking about, I don't know, Nazis.

00:38:04.000 You could be talking about ultra-traditionalists who believe in universal healthcare.

00:38:07.000 Or ethno-nationalists who completely agree with Black Lives Matter.

00:38:11.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:38:12.000 When you go to the Anti-Defamation League, and you look at their heat map, it says their right-wing extremism, it's like three different kinds.

00:38:21.000 If you're anti-government, they call you right-wing.

00:38:24.000 So I'm like, so Antifa is right-wing now?

00:38:26.000 Because they're totally, they're the biggest anti-government faction right now.

00:38:28.000 It's a big circle, and if you go far left, you come up on the far right.

00:38:31.000 No, but that doesn't mean anything.

00:38:33.000 I know, it's nonsensical terms.

00:38:34.000 There's up and down, side... No, the point is, far left means something.

00:38:39.000 Black Lives Matter activists tend to be Bernie Sanders supporters, democratic socialists, or communists, and they all agree on the social justice stuff, the cultural and the economic of the far left.

00:38:50.000 When you say far-right, what are you talking about?

00:38:52.000 Ultra-traditionalist?

00:38:53.000 Are you talking about a laissez-faire capitalist who thinks that we should, you know, ultimate free market?

00:38:58.000 I don't know what that means.

00:38:59.000 There used to be a fascist, like a hardcore fascist.

00:39:01.000 Yes, and that's still the image they want to paint when they say far-right.

00:39:04.000 They want you to think fascist, even though it can refer to any number of political groups.

00:39:08.000 But were fascists even far-right?

00:39:10.000 No, I don't think so.

00:39:10.000 Well, they were like statists.

00:39:11.000 They were authoritarian-right, but I don't think they were necessarily, like, because far-right typically implies competitive markets.

00:39:18.000 And they're anti-liberal.

00:39:19.000 Fascists are very anti-liberal.

00:39:21.000 There's another left and right... So when we talk about the political compass, it doesn't seem to make sense.

00:39:25.000 When we talk about culture, left and right refers to pro-status quo versus anti-status quo, in a sense.

00:39:31.000 So a lot of people... It comes from the French Revolution.

00:39:34.000 The right were the people sitting on the right side, and the left were the people sitting on the left side.

00:39:38.000 The left wanted a revolution, the right wanted to maintain the status quo, essentially.

00:39:42.000 So you're right-wing if you're like, keep it the way it is.

00:39:45.000 Yes.

00:39:46.000 And this is something that's actually really important to me.

00:39:48.000 I mean, when you look at the French Revolution and its fallout, I think it's pretty obvious that the left were the bad guys there, and that's sort of the foundation for the modern left.

00:39:55.000 And whenever I hear other people, particularly Catholics, say things like, well, you can be a Catholic and left-wing, I think that's true for certain issues, but you have to remember, like, the intellectual foundations of the left were completely predicated on fighting the Catholic Church and its interests in Catholic people. 0.79

00:40:07.000 So that's just one thing out there for the Catholics. 0.98

00:40:10.000 Please do not try to be left-wing.

00:40:13.000 You know, actually, I had a thought about this.

00:40:15.000 Because when I was talking with, I think it was Drew Holden, and Drew's Catholic, right?

00:40:21.000 Yeah, I'm not, but I recognize, I think a lot of secular liberals in this country, from like 10 years ago, they would say things like, I don't need the Bible to be moral, and if you need religion not to rape someone, like, whoa, something must be wrong with you, and it's like, but you were raised by these people.

00:40:38.000 Yes.

00:40:39.000 So you might not believe any of this stuff, that's okay, but you realize your morals were rooted in growing up and being told what was right, what was wrong, and you have Judeo-Christian moral values.

00:40:51.000 You probably celebrated, like, I'm talking about, like, the boomers.

00:40:53.000 Yes.

00:40:54.000 Like, you know, who, like, when I was in, like, in the 90s, in the 2000s, who were very, you know, secular and mocked, you know, the atheists and all that stuff, the atheist movement.

00:41:03.000 They had the same moral foundations, just not the theism.

00:41:06.000 Exactly.

00:41:07.000 And now what we're seeing with Black Lives Matter is a completely different moral foundation. 1.00

00:41:10.000 They believe authoritarianism is good.

00:41:12.000 They believe that... They'll deny it, but that's because they don't know what the word means.

00:41:15.000 They believe they have a right to exert their authority over you without question.

00:41:18.000 And if you oppose them, they can crush you and destroy you.

00:41:21.000 They'll say, abolish the police, and then when they need the police, they'll call them in two seconds.

00:41:24.000 Yep.

00:41:25.000 Their moral foundations are diametrically opposed to the traditional moral foundations of the United States.

00:41:33.000 And it's not even... I think the point I'm getting at is, I wonder if the culture war can be rooted in morality.

00:41:40.000 Does the left, like the Black Lives Matter people, do not share the same morals as most Americans? 0.91

00:41:44.000 No, of course not.

00:41:45.000 But, because most Americans have, I guess, gotten complacent and accepting, they're letting a small faction of fringe individuals lie to them, push insane policies, and just seize power.

00:41:58.000 One million percent.

00:42:00.000 So I find this really fascinating.

00:42:01.000 Oftentimes people will say that public schools are used to propagandize children, and I couldn't agree with that anymore.

00:42:06.000 But the reality is, if you want to instill your tyrannical philosophy in the state or in the minds of the average person, you don't really have to do all that much work indoctrinating them into your ideology.

00:42:17.000 All you really have to do is ensure that they are raised without any real virtues.

00:42:23.000 And what will happen is as they become adults, they will have been habituated towards taking the path of least resistance in their personal social lives.

00:42:31.000 And any time they're in a situation where speaking out might become uncomfortable or make the situation uncomfortable or unpleasant, they're not going to do it because again, they've habituated themselves towards doing what is least difficult.

00:42:42.000 And so when you do have the people you have indoctrinated into your system achieving cultural ascendancy, they won't stand up against that.

00:42:49.000 I wonder if, you know, they call it white supremacy.

00:42:52.000 But I wonder if that's just... First of all, I think they say it's white supremacy and whiteness as... I mean, first I said white supremacy.

00:42:59.000 Now they say whiteness, which is kind of creepy.

00:43:01.000 But it's very obvious they were trying to change the definition of word.

00:43:04.000 Finding something that people would find morally repugnant, and then claiming anything they didn't like was that word.

00:43:10.000 And they play with definitions all the time.

00:43:13.000 I wonder if what they're really going after is just the moral foundations of Christianity.

00:43:18.000 Or, you know, Christian morality.

00:43:20.000 And that's why I mentioned that.

00:43:21.000 The French Revolution and the terms right and left basically come from a war for or against Catholicism and traditionally Catholic values.

00:43:28.000 And the United States has never been a Catholic nation, but it's been Christian, and there are certain principles that, you know, Protestants and Catholics share, and I think those are the ones that are generally under attack by the far left at this point in time.

00:43:40.000 Oh, sorry to interrupt.

00:43:41.000 No, no, no.

00:43:42.000 I just want to drop one more thing.

00:43:44.000 You mentioned earlier about people saying that they don't need religion in order to be moral, and this is something I heard time and time again, but then oftentimes these same people will turn around and say the only case against abortion is a religious one.

00:43:55.000 Okay, I was thinking about the French Revolution.

00:43:57.000 They had a god king, basically.

00:43:59.000 The king was god.

00:44:00.000 Louis was a king.

00:44:01.000 He was god.

00:44:01.000 I don't know that he was a god.

00:44:02.000 There was a divine right of kings, but nobody thought that he was a god.

00:44:08.000 Well, the French revolutionaries wanted to undo god.

00:44:11.000 They basically wanted to do away with church.

00:44:13.000 And that was part of it, is get rid of the king, get rid of the church, start over, start a new calendar, new everything. 0.78

00:44:19.000 They were villainous. 0.99

00:44:21.000 Robespierre was a psychopath. 0.98

00:44:22.000 He gained power and became super corrupted. 0.99

00:44:25.000 Dan Tong was like his second-in-command, also a crazy violent guy.

00:44:30.000 But they overthrew the monarchy, which was ripping people apart.

00:44:36.000 It was starving the country.

00:44:37.000 It was causing tremendous poverty.

00:44:40.000 It's the pendulum swing.

00:44:41.000 It's, you have one really bad situation, and it gives rise to another really bad situation from really bad people.

00:44:47.000 So I think that Black Lives Matter see this situation like that, even though I don't think it's that bad at all.

00:44:54.000 It's social media and the media creating the perception of chaos.

00:44:59.000 Then they bring the chaos.

00:45:02.000 I can't remember.

00:45:03.000 Someone tweeted this.

00:45:04.000 I can't remember who it was.

00:45:05.000 Some high-profile Democrat saying, like, when will Donald Trump... Oh, no, no.

00:45:08.000 It was like a news outlet saying, yes, there have been riots, but Donald Trump needs to take responsibility for the right-wing militias that have been starting the fights.

00:45:16.000 That's so insane.

00:45:17.000 That's never happened.

00:45:18.000 And so these people... You know what I think it is?

00:45:21.000 I think these people have all fallen into the toilet whirlpool together, where you've got, like, imagine this table right now. 0.81

00:45:28.000 Imagine if I looked at you and said, hey, I heard there were some, like, crazy right-wing dudes coming. 0.99

00:45:32.000 Pass it on. 0.96

00:45:32.000 And then you looked at Ian and said, crazy right-wing dudes are coming. 0.96

00:45:35.000 Pass it on. 0.96

00:45:35.000 Then Ian looks back at me and says, dude, we're about to get a wave of crazy right-wing dudes. 0.96

00:45:39.000 And then I'm like, dude, they're coming.

00:45:40.000 Seamus, the right-wingers are about to be here.

00:45:43.000 And it just keeps getting crazier every time it goes around in a circle.

00:45:45.000 And it was all like me starting with me going, hey, do those guys look like right-wingers to you?

00:45:49.000 Yep.

00:45:49.000 And then you're like, yo, Tim just saw a bunch of right-wingers coming.

00:45:52.000 And then you're like, dude, right-wingers are coming to attack us.

00:45:53.000 And then I'm like, I saw them earlier.

00:45:55.000 You're right, Ian.

00:45:56.000 That's the only thing that explains it.

00:45:57.000 If I saw them, and now you're saying it, what it really is, is they're in a toilet spinning around in circles.

00:46:02.000 The rest of us are not in that toilet.

00:46:03.000 They've created this perception, and then from it, they burst from the toilet, covered in human waste, going, ah, smashing windows and screaming, the end is nigh!

00:46:11.000 It's that game of telephone, you know?

00:46:13.000 You ever play telephone where you whisper something in someone's ear, then they whisper it, they whisper it, and then you see how accurate it is when it gets back to you around the circle.

00:46:19.000 But I wonder if the people in control of the news organizations are actually seeding bad info to create... No.

00:46:26.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:46:28.000 Having worked at them, I'll tell you what it is.

00:46:30.000 It's a lack of ethics.

00:46:31.000 It's a lack of morality.

00:46:32.000 It's a desire for profits and revenue.

00:46:35.000 And it's not... I wouldn't necessarily call it malicious intent.

00:46:39.000 I would call it...

00:46:40.000 I would call it like, it's not willful.

00:46:43.000 It is malicious, but it's the product of the system where the dude in charge of the money doesn't know or care about politics.

00:46:50.000 So he sees an article and says, whoa, that one got a bunch of clicks.

00:46:54.000 Who's Donald Drumpf?

00:46:56.000 I don't know, man, but get more people to do whatever that was.

00:46:58.000 Then the editor-in-chief is just like, wow, you know, they're saying we got to get more of this stuff.

00:47:03.000 They look at a resume.

00:47:04.000 So you wrote this Donald Trump is literally Hitler piece, welcome aboard, and they shake

00:47:08.000 their hand, and it's not so much that they're being told to lie, it's not that their boss

00:47:12.000 is like, we must have you lie about Trump, it's like they're literally sitting there

00:47:16.000 hearing their own refuse back in their own heads.

00:47:19.000 And so that's the point I was making.

00:47:20.000 Imagine if I said to Seamus, I think I saw some right wing guys, and then he said, yo

00:47:25.000 Ian, Tim said right wing guys are coming.

00:47:28.000 Then you run to me and go, dude, right-wingers are coming here.

00:47:30.000 And then I went, whoa, I just saw them.

00:47:32.000 If you're saying that too, it must be true. 0.62

00:47:34.000 That's exactly what's happening in newsrooms.

00:47:36.000 And they keep writing it up.

00:47:37.000 Then these leftists who believe all of the media, and that's a big divider in the culture war, they believe all this stuff, run around screaming, the militias are coming, smashing windows and burning everything down.

00:47:48.000 And then the media goes, ooh, did we incite that?

00:47:51.000 Let's just not talk about it.

00:47:52.000 They're peaceful.

00:47:53.000 peaceful all time. Well yeah, no, I hear what you're saying.

00:47:56.000 Part of where I'm conflicted here is I tend to agree with your position which

00:47:58.000 is that they're caught in these echo chambers and they don't necessarily

00:48:02.000 mean to lie but the story just gets more and more out of control and they

00:48:04.000 believe that they're on the quote-unquote right side of history so anything that

00:48:07.000 they say will be justified. But the narrative also changed really quickly

00:48:13.000 once it was obvious that the American people didn't support the riots and weren't

00:48:16.000 sympathetic to them.

00:48:17.000 At first it was, well, rioting is the language of the unheard.

00:48:21.000 And then as soon as public perception and opinion, as soon as public opinion towards Black Lives Matter turned, they started saying, oh, it's actually right-wing agitators.

00:48:30.000 So that's why I'm a little skeptical of the idea that it just got out of control.

00:48:33.000 It just, it seems like a direct shift based on what they now knew public opinion was.

00:48:38.000 I think the media is blindly chasing after whatever works, and the Democrats just trust the media.

00:48:46.000 So, like, mail-in voting is a good example.

00:48:48.000 There was a story in Axios today saying that Democrats are pivoting away from it now.

00:48:52.000 Really?

00:48:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:53.000 It's one story.

00:48:54.000 It doesn't necessarily mean it's true, but there are several organizations now telling people to go drop your mail off in person.

00:48:58.000 And I see this from a ton of activists.

00:49:00.000 They're saying, don't trust the post office, you know, things like that.

00:49:02.000 You've got to make sure you mail it in person.

00:49:04.000 And why so late?

00:49:07.000 How is it that the day the story drops about, like, you know, primary ballots being discarded, here I am saying, wow, look, primary ballots got discarded.

00:49:16.000 Breaking news from, say, Politico.

00:49:17.000 And then I get all the people watching it, and we all talk about it, and the left is like, what ballots?

00:49:22.000 Yeah.

00:49:22.000 So I know this guy.

00:49:25.000 And he tweeted, like some cringe leftist tweeted something about, you know, Trump is gonna stage a coup and he's refusing to give up power.

00:49:34.000 And then this guy I know tweeted, where's the lie?

00:49:36.000 And my response was, I'm like, dude, challenging, you know, filing a lawsuit about contested ballots is not staging a coup.

00:49:44.000 No.

00:49:44.000 Telling, you know, Hillary Clinton telling Biden not to concede is not Biden staging a coup.

00:49:49.000 Y'all need to relax.

00:49:51.000 And then a bunch of, and then his response was, what ballots?

00:49:54.000 So you mean to tell me it's been like three months since the stories broke about the mail-in votes disappearing or not being delivered, and you didn't know about it?

00:50:04.000 You're this late to the party, and now the Democrats finally catch up.

00:50:07.000 So with Black Lives Matter, before George Floyd died, support for Black Lives Matter was at 17 or 18% net support.

00:50:16.000 Meaning, you know, that's like, there's more support than opposition.

00:50:19.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 Then George Floyd died, and it spiked to 25.

00:50:22.000 Today, it's at 10.

00:50:25.000 It is lower now than it was before the George Floyd incident, because the Democrats were watching the media say, peaceful protest?

00:50:33.000 Just peaceful protesters.

00:50:35.000 Some peaceful protesters choose more confrontational tactics.

00:50:38.000 Yeah, 93% peaceful.

00:50:40.000 That's my favorite.

00:50:41.000 And they still say that stuff, and regular Americans are like, Why did the guy on TV say it was peaceful when I literally just got sent a video of a dude burning down a pawn shop or shooting a guy in the chest?

00:50:50.000 Oh, what were you gonna say?

00:50:52.000 I was just gonna say it's really funny that they're talking about this 93% number and I think they've mostly dropped it.

00:50:57.000 I haven't heard it frequently.

00:50:59.000 No, some ESPN guy just spewed it out again.

00:51:02.000 93% of the protests are peaceful!

00:51:04.000 93% of serial murders, or, 93% of the time, serial killers are peaceful too!

00:51:08.000 Well, and also, yeah, I mean, 7% of protests becoming violent is a massive number when you're dealing with a country as large as the United States, and every major city across it has protests within it.

00:51:20.000 Dozens per day.

00:51:21.000 7% is not a small number, and that's why, it's funny because I saw left-wingers saying that only, you know, 93% of them are peaceful, and then, I'm not sure where that metric came from, so, I'm not going to say it's wrong to be skeptical of it, but a lot of right-wingers are saying, no, this is fake news from the left.

00:51:34.000 It's like, dude, even if that's not fake news, that's really high.

00:51:37.000 Like you're missing the point.

00:51:38.000 7% is a lot.

00:51:40.000 I mean, it's the fake news about it is how they're trying to, they're changing the argument.

00:51:46.000 My argument is, wow, these violent protests are horrifying.

00:51:50.000 It's too bad they're not like the peaceful protesters.

00:51:52.000 When the peaceful protesters went on the bridge and laid down on their stomachs and put their hands behind their back and got a bunch of press attention, I said, that's awesome.

00:51:59.000 I said, I disagree, but you know, hey man, peaceful protests, this country's all about it.

00:52:03.000 Then another group went around smashing windows and like beating people and I said, whoa, that's terrible.

00:52:07.000 And that was the message we got.

00:52:08.000 And then they, instead of arguing that Instead of just agreeing that it's bad, they argued, but what about all of the peaceful protests?

00:52:17.000 Nobody's complaining about all the peaceful protests.

00:52:20.000 That's not the news story.

00:52:22.000 We get there are peaceful protests.

00:52:24.000 We don't talk about them because they're doing what they're supposed to be doing.

00:52:27.000 Yeah, that's just called the protest.

00:52:29.000 It's funny.

00:52:29.000 Well, yeah, this is completely insane.

00:52:31.000 It's completely insane.

00:52:32.000 But when you have, you mentioned earlier this like, I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought.

00:52:38.000 I apologize.

00:52:38.000 How dare you?

00:52:39.000 I know, I feel this is so embarrassing!

00:52:41.000 Don't make fun of me!

00:52:42.000 Do I need to do a bunch of pure impersonations? 1.00

00:52:43.000 Okay folks, so he lost his train of thought because he's an absolute idiot. 0.99

00:52:45.000 He was thinking about something related to what old Tim Pool just said over there and then it slipped his mind as soon as he started talking about it and then he trailed off and it was really embarrassing. 0.95

00:52:51.000 So can we please just not draw attention to it folks, okay?

00:52:53.000 It reminds me of, like, the family guy joke of the vaudeville piano players.

00:52:57.000 And as soon as they script, quick, play me out!

00:52:59.000 And they're like, get away!

00:53:01.000 If it was 93% peaceful, and then I'll segue into you.

00:53:05.000 That means every 11 seconds, something violent happens.

00:53:08.000 For one second.

00:53:09.000 I mean, it's every 11 seconds.

00:53:10.000 That's like 7.1 or 6.8% or something.

00:53:13.000 I know, I remember what I was going to say before I lost my train of thought.

00:53:16.000 Remember when 7% of Tea Party protests turned violent?

00:53:20.000 What percentage was that?

00:53:21.000 Dude, there was somebody who claimed someone at a Tea Party protest said the N-word and they were never able to offer proof, and that just maligned the entire movement for the entire country.

00:53:29.000 But listen, it's because conservatives keep playing.

00:53:32.000 Let me tell you something.

00:53:34.000 If you were playing Monopoly, and then the person you're playing against kept cheating, you wouldn't keep playing.

00:53:42.000 You'd be like, okay, I'm not gonna play this game.

00:53:44.000 Yet for some reason, conservatives, and even to an extent moderates, the ones who are getting more politically active, are sitting here as the media will say something like, Oh, you know, this group of people did a bad thing, and then all these conservatives go, oh, that's not fair!

00:53:57.000 You can't say this about us!

00:53:58.000 And then the left will do something, and the right will go, hey, look at the left!

00:54:01.000 And the left will go, not playing.

00:54:02.000 That's a really good point.

00:54:03.000 Not playing.

00:54:03.000 That's a really good point.

00:54:04.000 Yeah, the Republicans are like, please, please, don't view me as a racist, don't view me as a sexist, whatever it is you're labeling me as. 0.89

00:54:08.000 Instead of just saying this is ridiculous, I'm not even acknowledging it.

00:54:10.000 Instead of who controls the media?

00:54:11.000 Instead of the Republican Party saying, you know, don't give interviews to like a certain organization

00:54:17.000 Like just straight up. I don't do interviews. I don't blame you. I won't do it. I get an email

00:54:23.000 I'm like gutter gone. Don't care. These people are not look it is not the job of a journalist to tell you the truth

00:54:30.000 It is the it are Or the modern journalist.

00:54:33.000 It's the job of a modern journalist to generate traffic for the website that the marketing, the sales team can pitch then to a brand and say, look how many clicks we got.

00:54:42.000 So let me tell you, what do you think happens then?

00:54:45.000 If, I don't know, people are out throwing cans of Goya beans at a riot, Goya's gonna be like, we don't wanna be associated with this. 0.82

00:54:53.000 So don't include, we're gonna stop selling.

00:54:55.000 I've seen it happen.

00:54:56.000 I've seen it happen where big brands will be like, hey, you're reporting on this story.

00:55:00.000 Man, you know what they do?

00:55:01.000 It's a really clever tactic.

00:55:03.000 When some companies know they're about to get a whistleblower, and they know where it's coming from, so a journalist could be like, hi, you know, we're calling the Tim Pool show.

00:55:13.000 We've got a whistleblower who's gonna say these things about you.

00:55:16.000 Then the big company, when they hear this, they go, oh, you know, it's so unfortunate you're gonna do this story.

00:55:22.000 We were about to do a big ad buy with you.

00:55:24.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 You know, so like basically, you know, you'll get a cookie company.

00:55:29.000 Someone will say they're putting rat poison in their cookies.

00:55:31.000 The journalist calls the cookie company.

00:55:33.000 Then the cookie company says, let me get back to you and we'll give you a quote.

00:55:36.000 Calls the sales department of the news organization and says, we'd like to buy a million dollar ad buy with you.

00:55:41.000 And they go, ooh, hot dog, done.

00:55:43.000 No bribery.

00:55:45.000 It's circuitous, but yes, because then the ad team goes, hey everybody, just a heads up, we're doing a big ad with cookie company, so it's a conflict of interest, any of the reporting we do, just so you know.

00:55:54.000 Now, most of the editorial teams are independent for a lot of these companies, so it doesn't work that way, but a lot of the new companies don't have that same level of independence and will absolutely be like, yo, shut that story down, man, they're giving us money.

00:56:06.000 Dude, a lot of new media has no oversight at all.

00:56:10.000 It's like one guy running a website, and he links to another article that he read, which links to a third article, which links back to his article.

00:56:17.000 And that's why we have Snopes. 1.00

00:56:20.000 Thank goodness.

00:56:21.000 Let me tell you.

00:56:22.000 So I had NBC smear me claiming that I was pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, which is completely bunk.

00:56:29.000 It was based off of a live stream from several years ago when a Fox Business article came out claiming Seth Rich had information on his computer.

00:56:36.000 They retracted the story.

00:56:37.000 When the story came out, I was like, whoa, this is crazy!

00:56:40.000 And I made a point about how if someone asked me if it was real, I'd be like, eh, 65-70%.

00:56:45.000 I think I said like 57-65%.

00:56:49.000 What I was saying was, even though this story came out claiming that he had the information, I still don't believe it.

00:56:55.000 What did they do several years later, and well after the article got retracted?

00:56:59.000 NBC News puts in their article that I pushed it, and they link to some random conspiracy blog.

00:57:05.000 Then Variety and a bunch of other outlets clone that article without fact-checking, and then NBC removed it, and they created a big circle of self-citation.

00:57:13.000 It's called- Wow.

00:57:14.000 XKCD, you know, for all his faults, he calls this essentially- It's a different version, I'll explain it.

00:57:20.000 Cytogenesis.

00:57:21.000 Like cite and genesis.

00:57:23.000 And he describes a phenomenon that happens on Wikipedia.

00:57:26.000 This is amazing.

00:57:27.000 Someone will go on Wikipedia and they'll write up something nonsensical.

00:57:31.000 They'll say, you know, Freedom Tunes is a far left cartoon show.

00:57:36.000 Which is true.

00:57:37.000 And then they'll publish it, right?

00:57:39.000 And if you're not talking about Trump, you're talking about someone who isn't the most prominent person in the world, it'll probably get overlooked for a short amount of time.

00:57:47.000 But then a journalist will be like, I need to find information on Freedom Tunes.

00:57:51.000 And they'll look it up on Wikipedia and say it's a left-wing cartoon.

00:57:54.000 Then they'll write a story based on some glance.

00:57:57.000 They glance on Wikipedia and saying, Freedom Tunes, comma, a left-wing cartoon.

00:58:01.000 Then someone on Wikipedia says, hey, there's no citation for this.

00:58:05.000 And they go, got it right here.

00:58:06.000 And then they take that other article.

00:58:08.000 So it's a circle of fake sources.

00:58:10.000 This is like idea laundering, have you heard the phrase idea laundering?

00:58:12.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 I can't remember, was that one of the Weinsteins?

00:58:14.000 Or Gadsad?

00:58:15.000 I don't know.

00:58:16.000 I can't remember who it originates with.

00:58:17.000 It's used by the left and the right.

00:58:18.000 Yeah, it's basically the same concept.

00:58:19.000 I got accused of that because some anarchists on Reddit posted something like, make sure you bring your guns or something, to a Portland, you know, to a protest with Proud Boys.

00:58:30.000 And so I tweeted, they're talking about bringing guns.

00:58:33.000 And then a bunch of conservatives picked it up, and then it started a game of telephone, and then it became, Antifa announces they're getting armed for, you know, Armed Antifa announces it.

00:58:41.000 It picked up steam in like 2010.

00:58:43.000 Something about being able to make ad revenue online about 2010 is when it started to pick up steam.

00:58:48.000 Like YouTube really pioneered internet ad revenue.

00:58:51.000 And then you could start your own website.

00:58:53.000 You get Google ads.

00:58:55.000 Facebook ads started paying you.

00:58:56.000 It was Facebook.

00:58:58.000 Facebook.

00:58:58.000 Because Facebook was like the beginning of this algorithmic content drive.

00:59:02.000 So, what happened was you had, in the early days of Facebook, somebody makes a news website, and they would call it like, you know, Freedom Tunes News.

00:59:12.000 Oh my goodness, I'm so on the spot here.

00:59:14.000 And so, I'm just, it's a safe reference, your brand.

00:59:18.000 So, let's say you have two channels, Timcast and Freedom Tunes News.

00:59:22.000 And Freedom Tunes News is an opinionated, hard, you know... Just horrible. 0.93

00:59:26.000 Just like, I hate Obama! 0.98

00:59:29.000 That Obama!

00:59:30.000 And then Tim Cass is very much like, today Obama announced a new plan to bring peace to the Middle East.

00:59:35.000 Well, not really Obama.

00:59:36.000 Obama's new plan was to bring drone bombs to the Middle East.

00:59:38.000 He did announce it, I think.

00:59:39.000 The point is, in the early days of Facebook, and it's even true to this day in a lot of ways on many platforms, people don't interact with boring, straight news.

00:59:48.000 And they choose the more bombastic content.

00:59:50.000 I mean, this is true for me, too, because I do opinion, you know, I fact-check, but I like to think that my opinions are, to a certain degree, informed, but of course I could be wrong in their opinions.

01:00:03.000 And so people are more interested in seeing what someone has to say.

01:00:06.000 Now, there's a couple things to consider here.

01:00:08.000 We don't need straight facts, like straight fact news, because we know for the most part the moment something happens.

01:00:14.000 Donald Trump gives a speech and he says, you know, I'm going to win a Nobel Peace Prize.

01:00:19.000 I was nominated.

01:00:20.000 And we all know.

01:00:21.000 We all know.

01:00:22.000 Okay?

01:00:22.000 And then a news story comes out saying Donald Trump wins the Nobel, you know, is nominated for a peace prize.

01:00:26.000 And we say, I heard it already.

01:00:27.000 Trump tweeted it.

01:00:28.000 I don't need this article.

01:00:30.000 So the article that does get clicked is, here's why Trump should win a peace prize.

01:00:33.000 That's a good point.

01:00:34.000 And then people want to hear the argument.

01:00:36.000 But back in the day, what happened was these news brands, you had straight news and you had bombastic news.

01:00:42.000 And because people weren't clicking straight news, bombastic news was gaining way more traffic.

01:00:45.000 Then the venture capital came in and they said, hey, you're getting a million views.

01:00:49.000 These guys are only getting 100,000.

01:00:51.000 Here's a million dollars to keep going.

01:00:53.000 Then they took a million dollars, hired more people just like them, and they created an empire out of bombastic, hyper-partisan content.

01:00:59.000 But here's the best part.

01:01:01.000 These companies started doing A-B testing, figuring out which articles work and which articles didn't.

01:01:06.000 And so what happens is, keywords in the algorithm.

01:01:09.000 If you have on Facebook an article that says police brutality, it'll get X views.

01:01:14.000 If you have racism, you'll get Y views.

01:01:18.000 But racist police brutality combines them for X plus Y views.

01:01:22.000 Or maybe even X times Y, depending.

01:01:24.000 So the more you stuff into the article, the more reach you get.

01:01:29.000 So in my opinion, this resulted in the rise of a psychotic fringe mainstream left, because they keep running in circles, chasing each other with more and more extreme narratives.

01:01:41.000 And the moderates and the right, like even old school liberals, aren't in this game.

01:01:47.000 They're doing more research on their own, and they're not trusting the mainstream media.

01:01:52.000 The left blindly trusts these brands without question.

01:01:55.000 I can speak 100% first person.

01:01:57.000 I was in that at Mines.

01:01:59.000 Bill and I were writing articles, and we were writing spectacular headlines.

01:02:03.000 We were trying to get clicks.

01:02:04.000 And we were part of a group of news organizations that were coming up 2010 on Facebook that a lot of people you know.

01:02:10.000 And we were just putting it out there.

01:02:13.000 But now we would notice violence would get a lot of clicks.

01:02:16.000 So there'd be this temptation to write these articles about violence.

01:02:19.000 And the day the Boston bombing happened, I realized I'm not going to go that route.

01:02:23.000 Good for you.

01:02:24.000 When I write articles about it, we get tons of traffic, but it perpetuates the violence.

01:02:29.000 So I stopped.

01:02:30.000 I don't know.

01:02:30.000 Do you think it perpetuates the violence?

01:02:32.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:02:33.000 I saw it firsthand.

01:02:34.000 I think you might be conflating a bit more.

01:02:37.000 So telling people a violent terror act happened could result in a backlash where people call for law and order to stop violence.

01:02:45.000 An overreaction.

01:02:46.000 But the people that are making money off of that happening subconsciously want it to keep happening.

01:02:51.000 But that's not going to make violence.

01:02:53.000 So here's what happens.

01:02:54.000 It makes people write articles about violence.

01:02:58.000 So it depends on which way you go.

01:02:59.000 If you write an article about the Boston bombing, it's going to result in security.

01:03:03.000 It's going to result in people having an overreaction to terrorism, and they're going to demand the state secure them and keep them safe.

01:03:10.000 If you write about police brutality, meaning the threat comes from the state, you're going to get waves of people demanding the dismantling of the state.

01:03:18.000 And that's what's happening now.

01:03:19.000 So because you have conservatives, and even to a certain degree moderates, who hold all moral foundations, loyalty, purity, authority being the three, according to Jonathan Haidt's research, that the left doesn't have, they're the ones saying, Well, wait a minute.

01:03:33.000 I'm not just going to throw the police department out, you know?

01:03:36.000 I have loyalty.

01:03:37.000 I respect, to a certain degree, authority.

01:03:40.000 Although conservatives also do have a large libertarian, liberty spectrum, moral foundation as well.

01:03:45.000 So, here's what happens.

01:03:47.000 The liberals, according to Jonathan Haidt's research, have care and fairness as their moral foundations.

01:03:52.000 And the right has all six, which is care, fairness, authority, purity, loyalty, and liberty.

01:03:59.000 That means if you come to me and say, all cops are bad, you're gonna trigger loyalty, respect for authority, and right then, it's gonna make it so the conservatives go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:04:11.000 All of them?

01:04:12.000 I'm loyal to the people who have served my community and helped me, to the military, things like that.

01:04:17.000 The left doesn't have those.

01:04:18.000 Therefore, when they see police brutality, they go, oh, rebel, rebel, rebel, and they say, burn it all down, destroy it, and that's literally what's happening.

01:04:25.000 So what I think we see is, You have conservatives who have a strong basis in all moral foundations.

01:04:32.000 And again, this is not—I'm not—it's Jonathan Haidt's research.

01:04:35.000 It's the—he's got a book.

01:04:37.000 It's called—was it called The Coddling of the American Mind?

01:04:38.000 Yeah, definitely gotta read this stuff.

01:04:40.000 And if I'm getting it wrong, then Jonathan can absolutely correct me, and you guys can come at me.

01:04:45.000 My general understanding is—or at least I should say my interpretation would be— If we see a story as so I have a decent balance.

01:04:54.000 I'm like left left liberal in the moral foundations even leaning a bit conservative because of like authority and purity and I have a big Liberty Foundation because you can actually take the test where they map you out.

01:05:06.000 Oh fascinating.

01:05:07.000 Yeah.

01:05:07.000 So so if you come to me with this extremist article that says something like The Boston bombing, terror around every corner, my liberty foundation is going to start flaring, red alert, red alert, red alert, and I'm going to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I respect liberty.

01:05:23.000 I have a strong liberty moral foundation.

01:05:25.000 So I'm not going to give up my freedoms just because we saw this, you know, this article.

01:05:30.000 My authority will also be like, yeah, but, yeah, but.

01:05:34.000 So you end up with this, like, moderate approach.

01:05:37.000 Okay, okay, so we need some security.

01:05:39.000 We gotta respect that we need police, and we need some way to stop these terrorists.

01:05:42.000 But we gotta make sure we don't cross the line, and we respect civil liberties, even for people who want to protest.

01:05:47.000 The left doesn't have authority or a large liberty.

01:05:50.000 It's mostly just care and fairness.

01:05:51.000 So when they see a video of police brutality, they go, burn the system down! 0.87

01:05:55.000 The police are crooked! 0.92

01:05:56.000 Bah! 0.97

01:05:56.000 And there's nothing to stop them. 0.97

01:05:58.000 They have no respect.

01:05:59.000 They have no loyalty.

01:05:59.000 They have no purity.

01:06:00.000 They have very little liberty.

01:06:02.000 Libertarian's my favorite.

01:06:04.000 It's all liberty.

01:06:05.000 They have like very little of anything, but liberty is straight to the roof.

01:06:08.000 So it's like some of these, there's like the question, the test for the moral foundations has some really gross stuff that I'm not even gonna say.

01:06:16.000 And libertarians are like, don't care.

01:06:18.000 You can do what you want so long as you're not hurting somebody else's consensual.

01:06:21.000 Oof.

01:06:22.000 Right, right.

01:06:22.000 You see where I'm going?

01:06:23.000 Like, yeah, when I was writing, but that's, well, no, to be fair to, I mean, obviously I haven't taken a look at that test.

01:06:30.000 I know that like, I'm not as libertarian as I used to be, but a lot of libertarians probably would say like, I disapprove of this thing, but I don't want the government to be involved.

01:06:38.000 But I guess I'm not sure to the extent to which you're speaking and you didn't want to say them.

01:06:42.000 I assume it's stuff that would get us demonetized.

01:06:44.000 Uh, I'll tell you.

01:06:45.000 One of them was creating an adult lovemaking doll based on your niece. 0.99

01:06:49.000 Oh, that's disgusting. 0.99

01:06:49.000 Yeah, you should go to jail. 0.99

01:06:50.000 I mean, you should be shot if you do that. 0.98

01:06:51.000 So, so, so, the issue is, conservatives— In anyone—there are people who actually said yes to that. 0.99

01:06:57.000 Absolutely.

01:06:57.000 Ugh.

01:06:58.000 Conservatives have a purity foundation, where they see that and they go, ugh!

01:07:02.000 Like the reaction you just had.

01:07:04.000 People who are just libertarian don't have strong foundations.

01:07:07.000 And I'm not trying to drag other libertarians because you can be libertarian and still have strong foundations.

01:07:11.000 It's a generality that libertarians basically say, hey man, if you want to do your thing in private in your own home, then why am I going to stop you from doing it as long as you're not hurting anybody else?

01:07:21.000 OK, so I think when I was writing these articles and other people writing these articles about the Boston bombing and other violent things that would happen, I think it was inciting the left.

01:07:29.000 And I didn't know what the left was at the time.

01:07:31.000 Why?

01:07:32.000 Because when I would write an article about a terror act, It would spark fear in the comments.

01:07:39.000 Thousands of people would freak out.

01:07:41.000 And then I'd see other articles start to be written about the same thing and people would be afraid in those comments.

01:07:45.000 And then my boss would want more of that because it was catching.

01:07:49.000 And then I would try and write about solar panels and it would get a thousandth of the views.

01:07:54.000 But people would be talking about how awesome this new technology was.

01:07:57.000 And I had a choice because I don't have so much time in my life of what to propagate.

01:08:02.000 And the media is doing that now with this.

01:08:04.000 It's Twitter.

01:08:06.000 So it started with Facebook created, or I should say Facebook created a magnifying lens or like a cannon to propel critical race theory because it fit the algorithm so perfectly to say like the intersection of all of these different ridiculous ideas.

01:08:21.000 Now it's Twitter.

01:08:22.000 Twitter has gamified hate and rage.

01:08:25.000 That's very true.

01:08:27.000 So that's why, you know I was thinking about this earlier, I talked about it.

01:08:31.000 I wonder if Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks has always been such a really mean person.

01:08:34.000 No.

01:08:35.000 No, I don't think so.

01:08:36.000 Why is he so mean now?

01:08:36.000 I don't know him as a person, so I can't... Because he's frustrated?

01:08:39.000 Yeah.

01:08:39.000 So, I remember the last time I saw the... So, several years ago, I saw him at VidCon.

01:08:46.000 And he walked up to me and he shook my hand and said, how's things been going?

01:08:49.000 I'm like, it's pretty good.

01:08:50.000 And he was like, right on, right on.

01:08:51.000 I'm like, how are you?

01:08:51.000 He's like, yeah, it's going pretty good.

01:08:52.000 We talked for a little bit.

01:08:53.000 And he's like, hey man, I'll see you around.

01:08:54.000 Take care.

01:08:55.000 The next time I saw him, he snapped, started screaming at me.

01:08:57.000 He was just like a, like a, like rah!

01:09:00.000 And now him and the Young Turks are mocking my appearance, like insulting my looks.

01:09:04.000 It's the weirdest thing.

01:09:06.000 I don't understand why they become so personally and directly nasty.

01:09:11.000 I'm not even trying to insult them at all.

01:09:13.000 I wish them the best.

01:09:14.000 I don't get it.

01:09:14.000 Definitely.

01:09:15.000 They changed.

01:09:15.000 or that you're viewed as a boogeyman by the left now and so they're jumping on board with that?

01:09:20.000 They changed.

01:09:20.000 So they were less angry towards their opponents at this time?

01:09:23.000 Not necessarily, but Twitter has given them a vehicle to just be angry all the time.

01:09:28.000 Well, that's the funny thing about Twitter, right?

01:09:29.000 Like, on a good day on Twitter or a day on Twitter where you're successful,

01:09:34.000 it's usually because you have said something that's really upset somebody else,

01:09:37.000 and on a bad day, it's something has been said that upsets you, 0.99

01:09:40.000 so it's kind of a play stupid games, win stupid prizes type thing. 0.94

01:09:43.000 But you know a lot of the tweets that I'll put up like my reaction to crazy news like there's a story and it said something like Pennsylvania is is saying that if the signature doesn't match on a mail-in vote the vote can't be disqualified So I quote tweet that and put lol. 0.97

01:09:57.000 Yeah, I didn't say oh the end.

01:09:59.000 Oh, they're evil.

01:09:59.000 I just put lol and Because my view on things is very much like, I remember this, you ever see Galaxy Quest?

01:10:05.000 No.

01:10:05.000 Oh, is that the Star Trek parody with Tim Allen?

01:10:08.000 Yeah.

01:10:09.000 I've never seen it, but I'm familiar with it.

01:10:10.000 So I'm reminded of the scene where Tony Shalhoub, he's in engineering, and the aliens are all around him, and they're like in an emergency, and they're about to die, and they ask him, and he's just laughing.

01:10:20.000 He's like, it's going good, I guess!

01:10:22.000 And he's just having a good time.

01:10:23.000 And I'm like, that's the kind of attitude I think would benefit people.

01:10:26.000 Like, look, man.

01:10:27.000 If you can't control anything, don't scream and freak out.

01:10:33.000 Enjoy life.

01:10:34.000 Find the best of it.

01:10:35.000 Have a laugh.

01:10:36.000 I'm watching all of this craziness happen around me.

01:10:39.000 I'm not gonna get angry about it.

01:10:41.000 You know, compared to Chank, you and him are in similar but very different situations because he has a huge company now.

01:10:47.000 I don't know the size of how many employees they have.

01:10:49.000 And I heard that they were losing money at one point.

01:10:52.000 He like, I guess he threatened to, uh, like he, I guess he did fire somebody who wanted to form a union or something like that.

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:58.000 He wouldn't, didn't want his people to unionize.

01:10:59.000 So, so that's a different, that must be extremely stressful just from a personal perspective on Cenk.

01:11:04.000 Um, Anna doesn't seem to be going through that stress.

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:07.000 I mean, I can't speak to anything particularly about the Young Turks, but you just said something really interesting sort of about stress levels and how you react to a high stakes situation.

01:11:15.000 And I find that in our culture we have yet to find this happy medium, or at least most people have.

01:11:20.000 Where you have legitimate moral concerns and you're trying to make the world a better place, but you're not so caught up in whether you as an individual will be perfectly successful at that.

01:11:29.000 It seems as if people are just completely nihilistic and everything's funny and they don't care about anything and they're just going to do whatever they want to have a good time and why get caught up in any of the morality of it because it's just going to stress me out.

01:11:38.000 And then there are other people who do have legitimate moral concerns, but then they go over the top thinking that they're the person who needs to solve every single problem and they lose their minds when they're not successful.

01:11:47.000 And I find that the best way to go about it, and this is something I struggle with as well because I don't know that I've got that perfect balance yet, but it's to follow your moral code, to do as best as you possibly can, but to recognize that God has a plan and if you're not successful, things will be as they should.

01:12:01.000 I think I know where my bias in this regard comes from.

01:12:04.000 Like, why am I talking about the Young Turks and not, say, like, Turning Point or, like, some other conservative group?

01:12:08.000 Sure.

01:12:09.000 Well, I don't think they actually do it all—they're all that bad.

01:12:11.000 Like, Candace Owens has certainly had negative words for, like, say, I think Cardi B. Was that—they were tweeting at each other?

01:12:16.000 I remember that.

01:12:17.000 That was a whole huge thing, yeah. 0.99

01:12:19.000 It was a huge thing, and they were both throwing shit at each other. 0.98

01:12:21.000 But I started thinking about it just now. 0.99

01:12:23.000 Twitter has banned all of the right that's been, you know, bombastic and troll-y and nasty.

01:12:28.000 so it's real and not even not even people who are nasty i'm i'm saying like

01:12:31.000 trolley as well like hashtag learn to code the left of the left literally insights violence and

01:12:36.000 organizes violent riots on twitter

01:12:38.000 and they just do with impunity no one's gonna stop them

01:12:41.000 so what's happening is there is there is little incentive on the right for people

01:12:45.000 to become that rage monster because you'll be banned

01:12:49.000 and so conservatives are very wary of this Right-wing individuals are like, I'm not gonna, you know, I don't wanna get banned.

01:12:56.000 I say the wrong thing.

01:12:57.000 And then people get banned all the time.

01:13:00.000 The left, with impunity, are incentivized to be rageful and hateful and mean.

01:13:06.000 And I'm just sitting here like, you'd be much more successful, appealing, and you'd convince more people if you were nice about it.

01:13:14.000 Yeah, that's for sure.

01:13:15.000 Or you could just make fun of them in cartoons.

01:13:18.000 Or you could just own the libs in cartoons.

01:13:19.000 I think that helps.

01:13:21.000 That's one strategy that works really well.

01:13:24.000 Cartoons are actually awesome.

01:13:26.000 I appreciate that.

01:13:27.000 But when you get powerful, the nicer you are, that's the more successful you'll be.

01:13:32.000 The more people will like you.

01:13:33.000 Yeah, and to be fair, I do try to keep it light-hearted.

01:13:35.000 I think I make it obvious that I'm just joking around and playing around.

01:13:39.000 But I hear what you're saying, and one thing I've noticed along with this is it seems as if we're playing Except for Donald Trump.

01:13:45.000 Oh.

01:13:45.000 you said by two different sets of rules and when you're in public life the

01:13:48.000 further to the right you get the higher your difficulty setting becomes so you

01:13:52.000 see this right-wing figures tend to have to be much more careful about what they

01:13:55.000 say because each little thing can be taken out of context and their life can

01:13:58.000 be destroyed. Except for Donald Trump. Except for Donald Trump because he has the cheat code.

01:14:02.000 Donald Trump's cheat code is don't care. Donald Trump's a 99 overall and he

01:14:06.000 represents the right.

01:14:07.000 So all these people on the left that are like 12 overall, 13 overall, they're letting them be angry.

01:14:13.000 Like say it's a weight game, a game of weight.

01:14:15.000 Donald Trump exudes a thousand points of weight.

01:14:17.000 All these other people like, I don't want to drag Chang, he's awesome, but like people like anyone on the left that gets angry on Twitter.

01:14:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:14:24.000 like, ah, F this, ah, this horrible, they have a weight of like 12 or 13, so Twitter's

01:14:29.000 letting them add their weight up collectively so that they can equal out to Donald Trump. 0.98

01:14:33.000 That's ridiculous. 0.85

01:14:34.000 I know it is ridiculous, but that's, I think, what's happening. 0.97

01:14:36.000 I think they're just biased and they're all laughing there together and the Twitter employees 0.52

01:14:40.000 are like, ha ha, Orange Man is bad, I like that tweet.

01:14:42.000 How dare you tell me to learn to code.

01:14:44.000 You're banned forever.

01:14:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:14:46.000 By the way, Lydia, I think you were about to say something.

01:14:47.000 Ian made a point earlier about how being nice will get you further in life, and this is

01:14:48.000 something that I hold onto.

01:14:49.000 I'm not a fan of being nice.

01:14:53.000 I actually don't know if it's true because I don't know how far I've gotten in life.

01:14:57.000 I love my life, but I do think that the old adage that people don't know, people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care is 100% true. 0.99

01:15:06.000 And I think there is also some truth.

01:15:08.000 It was interesting what you said, Seamus, about Donald Trump having this cheat code, which is don't care.

01:15:11.000 And I was like, that's kind of interesting because I think the right care is way too much about being called racist.

01:15:17.000 And I appreciate that they care about their reputation.

01:15:20.000 That's very meaningful to them.

01:15:22.000 But at the same time, it's like, maybe you care a little too much.

01:15:25.000 Maybe you would benefit from having a little don't care in your life.

01:15:27.000 I don't know.

01:15:28.000 Exactly.

01:15:28.000 Well, I find that the right wing actually tends to worship at the altar of human respect.

01:15:32.000 It's all about ensuring everybody knows that I'm a good person.

01:15:35.000 It's the moral foundation.

01:15:36.000 And the things the left says about me aren't true.

01:15:38.000 It's the moral foundations.

01:15:39.000 I think that could be part of it, but at the same time, maybe it's just a quirk of the fact that we live in this system where the left doesn't seem to pay a price for being far left.

01:15:49.000 But they don't care what you think of their political views, and we seem to.

01:15:53.000 And that has to stop if we're ever going to win.

01:15:55.000 What happens when you're loyal to someone who is not loyal to you?

01:15:58.000 You get burned.

01:16:00.000 And that's exactly what we have.

01:16:02.000 Conservatives with a loyalty moral foundation, loyal to the citizens of this country, and a left that is not loyal in return.

01:16:08.000 They just believe in this nebulous concept of fairness, and whatever that means.

01:16:13.000 But they don't care about you, or what you've done for them, and that's why they don't care for the police.

01:16:19.000 They have no loyalty to the system as it stands that's helped them succeed.

01:16:23.000 They view America as inherently evil.

01:16:25.000 And I'm not saying literally every single one of them, but the dominant, very vocal ones view America as inherently evil.

01:16:31.000 They do.

01:16:31.000 They say it's colonization and it's white supremacy, and they accuse the Founding Fathers of these atrocities, and they ignore all of the really great things that have been done.

01:16:39.000 So, we're going to jump to this next story.

01:16:41.000 And I hate to do this, because it's just...

01:16:44.000 If you hate to do it, you don't have to.

01:16:46.000 We won't make you.

01:16:47.000 I think we do.

01:16:49.000 So we have this story from Digital Music News.

01:16:50.000 They say, Spotify employees threaten to strike if Joe Rogan podcasts aren't edited or removed.

01:16:58.000 What?

01:16:59.000 So there's been an ongoing thing with the Rogan podcast, which to Joe is probably more of a mosquito on his arm that he swats away and ignores.

01:17:08.000 But it has been relevant to those who are active in cultural politics and the digital space.

01:17:15.000 So particularly, you know, a space that, like, I'm in.

01:17:19.000 I hate to constantly be bringing up Joe because they're the ones bringing him up.

01:17:22.000 I love bringing up Joe, man.

01:17:24.000 It's a little tabloidy because the first thing I want to say is, you know, bring on the criticism.

01:17:29.000 I get it.

01:17:29.000 You know, talking about Joe all the time.

01:17:31.000 He has the biggest podcast in the world with like the biggest podcast deal ever.

01:17:35.000 He's the OG.

01:17:36.000 And now when the culture war comes for him to, you know, repeatedly in these stories, I think it is particularly relevant because it's going to trickle down on everybody else.

01:17:45.000 What is going on with these podcasts and what we need to pay attention to.

01:17:49.000 So as much as I want to be like, we get it.

01:17:52.000 Spotify employees repeatedly are pushing these stories to try and come after Joe.

01:17:55.000 This one to me was like another example of the danger of the minority threatening to destroy things that are extremely popular and potentially even having an impact. 0.81

01:18:09.000 So, uh, I don't know if, if, you know, to what extent you've heard this.

01:18:11.000 I think you knew about the scene that a bunch of episodes didn't make it.

01:18:14.000 Oh, onto Spotify.

01:18:16.000 Yeah.

01:18:16.000 Whose episodes did they refuse to put up?

01:18:17.000 Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes, Miley Yiannopoulos, Carl Benjamin.

01:18:21.000 And Joe, I think, made a statement that it was a clerical error.

01:18:25.000 Oh, that's insane.

01:18:26.000 Also, I mean, I don't know.

01:18:27.000 I guess I'll give Joe the benefit of the doubt, but on top of that too, Carl Benjamin, Sargon is so much less controversial than any of the other names you threw out there.

01:18:36.000 And I'm not saying those podcasts should have been banned either, but it's just, it's funny.

01:18:40.000 Carl has his moments.

01:18:42.000 That's fair.

01:18:42.000 When I was on Rogan's show with the Twitter people and they were talking about why they banned him and started reading some of the things he said, Carl actually messaged me and he was like, he started, he was laughing and he was like, you're probably saying like, Oh, Carl, what have you done?

01:18:54.000 Yeah, no, okay, fair enough. I'm not familiar with his Twitter, but it's crazy to me that they would they would

01:18:59.000 Refuse to allow him to upload streams. He did with any of those people, but especially I don't know

01:19:04.000 I was just saw Sargon to be a lot less controversial story was but maybe I don't follow him closely enough did Spotify

01:19:10.000 Nuke those episodes or did was there a clerical error? I I thought I read that Joe said that it was an error, that they didn't get uploaded properly.

01:19:18.000 So why would that pattern seem to exist?

01:19:21.000 I know, it seems like a pattern.

01:19:23.000 Why would the Alex Jones episode, one of the biggest episodes, had like 15 million views in a day?

01:19:27.000 You know, I don't think Joe's a liar.

01:19:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:31.000 And I can't confirm the statement, I just thought I heard it.

01:19:33.000 Hold on.

01:19:35.000 It could be legit.

01:19:36.000 It could be that those are the ones YouTube corrupted.

01:19:40.000 That's possible.

01:19:40.000 They get more conspiratorial.

01:19:42.000 Maybe, yeah.

01:19:42.000 I have no idea.

01:19:43.000 I'm interested in what his contract was with Spotify.

01:19:46.000 I would have imagined when he signed with them, he was like, I have total freedom.

01:19:50.000 You're not going to touch any of my stuff and everything's going up.

01:19:52.000 Yeah.

01:19:53.000 You in?

01:19:53.000 Okay, let's go.

01:19:54.000 And I can't imagine he would do anything but that.

01:19:57.000 I don't know Joe Rogan as a person, I've never spoken to him, but based on who he is on the podcast, it would shock me if there wasn't something in the contract to ensure that he had full creative freedom.

01:20:05.000 There's tricks.

01:20:06.000 There's a lot of tricks.

01:20:07.000 Let me read this, so we'll see what this is all about, and then we'll talk about it.

01:20:11.000 So, Digital Music News reports a contingent of activist Spotify staffers are now considering a walkout or full-blown strike if their demands for direct editorial oversight of the Joe Rogan Experience podcasts aren't met.

01:20:22.000 Last week, we first reported that Spotify employees were demanding direct editorial oversight over the recently acquired Joe Rogan Experience podcast.

01:20:29.000 That would include the ability to directly edit or remove sections of upcoming interviews, or block the uploading of episodes deemed problematic.

01:20:36.000 The employees also demanded the ability to add trigger warnings, corrections, and references to fact-check articles on topics discussed by Rogan in the course of his multi-hour discussions.

01:20:45.000 Some of the group's demands have already been met by Spotify management, though a refusal to allow further changes is stirring talk of a high-profile walkout or strike, according to preliminary plans shared with Digital Music News.

01:20:57.000 The strike would principally involve New York-based Spotify employees and would be accompanied by protests outside Spotify's Manhattan headquarters.

01:21:04.000 Other aspects would involve media appearances and coordination with other activist organizations.

01:21:09.000 For Spotify, the decision to offer some concessions may have only emboldened demands for wide-scale editorial oversight.

01:21:16.000 During the transition of Rogan's podcast episodes onto the Spotify platform, multiple past episodes were omitted.

01:21:22.000 Those included interviews with Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin McInnes, and Alex Jones.

01:21:26.000 Additionally, Rogan issued a rare public apology and correction over his claim that left-wing anarchists had set fires in Oregon, a point that was made during a recent interview with Douglas Murray.

01:21:36.000 The apology is now believed to be the result of pressure from Spotify staffers.

01:21:40.000 But those measures apparently don't go far enough.

01:21:42.000 Rogan's claim during the Murray podcast is still part of the podcast recording, despite demands that the offending section will be removed or directly corrected within the audio itself.

01:21:51.000 It now appears that Spotify is unwilling to directly edit or otherwise alter any existing episodes, with content alteration considered a bright line that shouldn't be crossed.

01:22:01.000 That episode on Facebook right now is flagged as fake news.

01:22:06.000 Wow, alright.

01:22:07.000 If you link the YouTube video, a thing appears saying false information.

01:22:11.000 And it's a whole podcast! 0.86

01:22:13.000 So from that one thing Joe said, I wouldn't mind if he put a little cut in there and added like, Hey guys, by the way, what I'm about to say is really ignorant. 0.70

01:22:22.000 Here it is. 0.98

01:22:23.000 This is the reason it's ignorant. 0.99

01:22:24.000 That's insane. 0.94

01:22:25.000 How many, how many, how many wrong things have we said in this podcast?

01:22:28.000 How many wrong things have we said?

01:22:29.000 Every time I open my mouth.

01:22:32.000 So high profile that we would have to go back and look at it.

01:22:35.000 When I'm not, yeah, like if I can even get a sentence out, it's usually incorrect.

01:22:39.000 So, for you to even have me on here, but no, in all seriousness, I hear what you're saying.

01:22:43.000 What you said though, I think that would be fine for Joe to do if he wanted to do that.

01:22:47.000 Because I've done that too, right?

01:22:48.000 Like I've uploaded videos and then noticed that there was a little error with it and then taken it down, redone it, or just cut that part out and then re-uploaded it.

01:22:56.000 Because sometimes I feel that there's a responsibility to do that.

01:22:58.000 You might need to edit it while it's online without having to take it down.

01:23:01.000 You can do that.

01:23:02.000 YouTube can do that.

01:23:02.000 You can do that on YouTube now?

01:23:03.000 Yes.

01:23:04.000 How long have you been able to do that for?

01:23:05.000 Long time. 1.00

01:23:05.000 Because I'm an idiot. 1.00

01:23:07.000 I totally pulled something down and sliced it out. 0.99

01:23:10.000 I tried to look for that feature though and I couldn't find it anywhere.

01:23:12.000 It's called split.

01:23:13.000 You go in and you go split and you go doop and you can trim the edges and you can pull things out.

01:23:17.000 It takes a really long time to do.

01:23:19.000 Like it could take like two days for it to finally process.

01:23:22.000 Interesting.

01:23:22.000 You're doing it through the cloud and whatever?

01:23:24.000 I'm ever attempting to do it, but there were some weird issues.

01:23:26.000 It was like the cut had to be much longer than the one that I wanted to make.

01:23:29.000 But that's neither here nor there.

01:23:31.000 I gotta read this because it's funny.

01:23:32.000 Digital Music News says, if a walkout strike moves forward, it could be risky for the staffers involved.

01:23:38.000 Other corporations have certainly witnessed walkouts and even full-blown strikes by activist employees for a range of grievances.

01:23:44.000 Those protests have often been met with changes.

01:23:48.000 Though the employment landscape has changed dramatically in 2020, Spotify employees reportedly enjoy comfortable salaries in the $120,000 to $130,000 annual range, with considerable perks and benefits.

01:23:59.000 These are plum jobs in extremely uncertain economic times, making a strike a risky move.

01:24:05.000 It also appears that Spotify management, including CEO Daniel Ek, Has a limited tolerance for the mutiny on deck.

01:24:12.000 Accordingly, Digital Music News has learned that Spotify clearly shared its decision on the Schreier episode and has declined continued demands to edit or remove other episodes.

01:24:20.000 So that's Abigail Schreier.

01:24:22.000 She wrote a book about transgender youth.

01:24:25.000 And I think something that's called, I believe it's called Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria.

01:24:28.000 Correct?

01:24:29.000 Yeah, she wrote this book called Irreparable Damage, how the transgender thing is ruining our daughters' lives. 1.00

01:24:35.000 And Joe was one of the few people who actually was willing, like, I mean, I'm surprised he even did the interview, to be honest.

01:24:43.000 It was a good interview.

01:24:44.000 Good for him.

01:24:44.000 And it goes against the mainstream orthodoxy, and that's why they're freaking out.

01:24:48.000 They say the reason X pushback is somewhat obvious, Joe Rogan's entire identity revolves around unfiltered discussion and opinion, and audiences could abandon the podcast if it becomes censored or controlled.

01:24:59.000 Earlier this year, Spotify lured Rogan into an exclusive relationship with an estimated $100 million deal.

01:25:05.000 So, if you're an employee who makes $100K, and you go and say, I'm gonna strike unless we get to make these changes, what do you think that guy's gonna say?

01:25:13.000 Hmm, should I lose one employee or a $100 million contract?

01:25:17.000 Exactly.

01:25:17.000 Buddy, the door is right behind you.

01:25:19.000 That's exactly what I was thinking.

01:25:20.000 But hold on, hold on.

01:25:21.000 Here's where it gets fun.

01:25:22.000 What if the employees now claim being in a work environment where they hear sexist, racist, and transphobic content is a violation of their civil rights under the Civil Rights Act?

01:25:34.000 They say it's discrimination for me to have to work on content that says these things.

01:25:39.000 That's been the big advantage, that's been the big manipulation the left has used, arguing that their political cause is actually protected.

01:25:46.000 So what the New York Times did, is they started tweeting out all of, it was Tom Cotton, right?

01:25:52.000 Tom Cotton, the Send in the Troops article?

01:25:54.000 Yeah.

01:25:54.000 Tom Cotton wrote an article, an op-ed, Send in the Troops, called for the Insurrection Act to shut down the riots.

01:25:59.000 So New York Times employees started tweeting, the New York Times is endangering black bodies, or something to that effect.

01:26:05.000 Where did that phrase come from? 0.96

01:26:06.000 They start saying black bodies instead of black people?

01:26:08.000 I've heard this multiple times. 0.98

01:26:09.000 I think it's a reference to that they are white supremacists who don't view them as human beings, just like animate corpses walking around. 0.98

01:26:16.000 A black body is a... So then why are you saying it though? 0.99

01:26:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:18.000 Like why are they saying it?

01:26:20.000 No, no, no.

01:26:20.000 I'm dragging you.

01:26:21.000 No, no, no.

01:26:22.000 I know why you're saying it.

01:26:23.000 Because I've seen left-wing people use this phrase.

01:26:26.000 If they think that that represents white supremacists not seeing black people as humans, then why are they using this term?

01:26:32.000 No, no, no.

01:26:32.000 I was being facetious.

01:26:33.000 I know you were.

01:26:34.000 They don't actually believe saying black body is a reference to white supremacy.

01:26:38.000 No, I've seen this.

01:26:39.000 Oh, oh, why did they say it then?

01:26:41.000 I don't have an idea.

01:26:41.000 It's a social justice thing.

01:26:43.000 I was dragging them.

01:26:44.000 Okay, okay, I thought that you were using the phrase drag.

01:26:46.000 I was calling them racist.

01:26:46.000 That's my bad, that's my bad.

01:26:47.000 But listen, I don't want to... Let me tell you what a black body is for real. 1.00

01:26:49.000 It's a scientific thing that absorbs all light.

01:26:52.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:26:52.000 I don't want to derail off of what's going on with the New York Times.

01:26:55.000 They used the idea that the New York Times was discriminating against black people as a way to force the company to take down the op-ed and ultimately the editor resigned.

01:27:05.000 They are using civil rights law and they are claiming, well, if there is content that I have to listen to because I work at this company, that is discriminatory against me and my beliefs and who I am.

01:27:16.000 And now the Supreme Court has ruled that you can't discriminate against someone on the basis of their gender identity.

01:27:22.000 That was the Supreme Court ruling.

01:27:23.000 You remember that.

01:27:24.000 It was a month or so ago.

01:27:25.000 Yeah, we were actually discussing that, and you made a really good point about the fact that we don't actually have to change legislation as long as the language changes.

01:27:32.000 So when they change definitions.

01:27:33.000 Very disturbing.

01:27:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:27:33.000 Well, so the Supreme Court ruled that if you can't discriminate on the basis of sex, gender identity and orientation are rooted in your biological sex, therefore they are protected as well.

01:27:44.000 So now here's what might happen. Or, I don't want to say might.

01:27:47.000 The Spotify employees, just like the New York Times employees,

01:27:51.000 they're doing the same thing. So maybe, we'll see.

01:27:55.000 I would say if you're looking for a job, apply at Spotify right now.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, that's funny.

01:28:01.000 I mean, I hear what you're saying.

01:28:02.000 It drives me crazy though, because this is something that happens in the creative world so often, and I have not worked anywhere near the mainstream creative world, but I have a number of friends who have.

01:28:09.000 And whenever you work on a property that's been acquired, there's always this tension between the people who have acquired the property and the people who originally created it.

01:28:17.000 Because no one can ever buy something and then just let the creator do it the way that they were originally doing it.

01:28:22.000 No one can ever see that something is successful and say, this guy knows what he's doing.

01:28:26.000 I'm going to let him run the show because he was doing it fine before I came along.

01:28:29.000 It would be smart for me to just let him continue and take a little piece of this so I can enrich myself.

01:28:33.000 No, never.

01:28:34.000 They have to change it. 0.97

01:28:35.000 It's so prideful and ridiculous and they screw themselves because they end up making less money in the long run when they ruin it. 0.70

01:28:42.000 Yes, a lot of times, but it's about fitting that into, so they have a jigsaw puzzle, and they take this piece, and they start carving it to fit the mold, and they remove the good things about it. 1.00

01:28:52.000 I've done that before, when I was a stupid kid. 0.98

01:28:55.000 Forcing jigsaw pieces into the mold. 0.99

01:28:56.000 Yeah, like I cut it into the right place, because I couldn't find the right piece.

01:28:58.000 That's what they're doing.

01:29:00.000 So, some of the things I've asked, you know, in relation to what's going on with the Rogan Podcast is, Uh, the first thing I'll point out is the inherent political danger of Joe Rogan's apology, in that Media Matters for America attacks Joe saying he's putting out dangerous misinformation because Joe insinuated leftists were starting fires.

01:29:19.000 Joe says something, the left is doing X.

01:29:22.000 The left responds by saying you're a liar. 0.76

01:29:23.000 Joe responds by saying, sorry, that wasn't true. 0.98

01:29:26.000 But part of it was true.

01:29:28.000 So now Joe's put up misinformation, and when other people point that out, there's no apology.

01:29:33.000 You see what I mean?

01:29:34.000 There's no correcting the record.

01:29:35.000 So what happens is, it's once again falling back on playing the left's game when they're not playing by the same rules.

01:29:42.000 They will demand an apology from you.

01:29:44.000 You'll get it.

01:29:45.000 They will never apologize for what they're doing.

01:29:48.000 When the right says the left should apologize for this.

01:29:50.000 Remember when, like, we had the dude, he posted a picture of the guy throwing the Covington kids in a wood chipper?

01:29:57.000 Oh yeah, who was that?

01:29:58.000 That whole thing, that whole thing.

01:30:00.000 They refuse, the media companies refuse to apologize.

01:30:03.000 They settle, you know, some undisclosed number.

01:30:05.000 They won't give you anything at all.

01:30:10.000 So why is anyone giving them anything in return?

01:30:12.000 Yeah.

01:30:13.000 Why?

01:30:14.000 I don't understand why it is that Joe would apologize for this, but then not apologize for anything else he's ever said that's been incorrect.

01:30:21.000 So this comes back to playing their game.

01:30:23.000 We are choosing to play by their rules.

01:30:25.000 And I really hope that Joe does not decide to go through with this and end Kowtow or anything like that.

01:30:31.000 I hope that he sticks to his guns and stays strong because he is just, he's a very nice guy.

01:30:36.000 He's very common sense.

01:30:37.000 He doesn't really mean, he does not mean anyone any harm.

01:30:40.000 I know for sure.

01:30:42.000 You can watch hours and hours of what he thinks.

01:30:45.000 What do you mean?

01:30:45.000 He did apologize already.

01:30:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:47.000 And the apology was incorrect.

01:30:48.000 I know, I feel like I'm kind of beating a dead horse.

01:30:50.000 I've talked about it so many times, but it's in, you know, just in the context of they're continually putting pressure on him to try and get him to make concessions.

01:30:56.000 Yes, but I think that is a separate issue, because this, the whole idea of editing or removing his podcast is just completely insane, and I hope that he doesn't count out to that.

01:31:07.000 I hope that he puts it down.

01:31:08.000 It's not about what he wants.

01:31:09.000 Me too.

01:31:09.000 It doesn't matter what he says.

01:31:10.000 This is what people don't understand.

01:31:12.000 They're saying, I think it was James Lindsay who tweeted, if they think they're going to get away with this, they don't know who Joe Rogan is.

01:31:19.000 And it's like, perhaps if you trust that he did a good job with his legal contract, his case contract, in terms of the licensing deal with Spotify, for sure.

01:31:26.000 But if it's just a licensing deal, then it's Spotify under any obligation to actually post any of his podcasts.

01:31:32.000 I don't know, man.

01:31:33.000 I would have to see the contract.

01:31:35.000 It's pretty... I would be surprised, based on the contracts I've dealt with, if there was a provision saying, if I make the content, you must publish it.

01:31:45.000 No, every licensing deal... They just bought them and silenced them?

01:31:48.000 That's called golden handcuffs. 0.99

01:31:49.000 Horrific.

01:31:50.000 It's called golden handcuffs.

01:31:51.000 They do it all the time.

01:31:52.000 That's why I'm like, I wouldn't be surprised if Joe actually knew and didn't fall into these traps.

01:31:57.000 But every licensing deal I've seen does not have an obligation for licensing.

01:32:01.000 They say, we're going to license your content.

01:32:04.000 Here's how much we'll pay you.

01:32:04.000 You say, okay.

01:32:05.000 That's freaky.

01:32:06.000 That's normal.

01:32:07.000 And so I'd imagine with an exclusive contract, it, to me, I, I, you know, look, he's the biggest podcast in the world.

01:32:13.000 I'm sure they went through all these contracts with a fine tooth comb and, and like, they're probably some of the craziest contracts in the world, but the deals that I've negotiated where I've demanded guarantees have just collapsed.

01:32:22.000 When I say, no, no, no, I want to guarantee that you're actually going to be working on this.

01:32:25.000 And they say, well, we can't guarantee that because... Have a nice day.

01:32:29.000 No, I hear you.

01:32:30.000 I'm not going to give away my content and then have it just disappear into a dark corner in exchange for money.

01:32:34.000 I don't care.

01:32:35.000 I like the content more than I care about the money.

01:32:37.000 Yeah, good for you.

01:32:38.000 You should.

01:32:38.000 You give me a cell phone and I'll sit in the middle of the woods and just blab along for a million years.

01:32:42.000 I can live in a hut or go down by the river and just go fishing and mind my own business.

01:32:46.000 But there are a lot of people Fall into these traps.

01:32:49.000 I've had a bunch of contracts offered to me over the past couple of years that have been laughable.

01:32:54.000 There's like a really big podcasting network that sent me a contract that basically said, in very sneaky terms, I would give them 100% ownership of all of my platform and content and everything.

01:33:04.000 And then they make you feel like you're wrong for questioning it.

01:33:07.000 Exactly.

01:33:07.000 That they're doing you a favor too.

01:33:09.000 And when I responded with, I read it, I said, please send me the real contract.

01:33:14.000 And they said, this is the normal boilerplate blah blah.

01:33:17.000 And I said, no, this contract signs over the ownership of my business, which I will not do.

01:33:24.000 If you like to talk about a purchase, it's different from a licensing agreement.

01:33:27.000 And they said, it's normal, this is what lawyers are for.

01:33:30.000 And my response was essentially a few words longer than F you.

01:33:34.000 If you think I'm going to drop thousands of dollars on a lawyer because you're trying to rip me off, you can go have a nice day.

01:33:39.000 I don't care.

01:33:39.000 Like I said, I'll go down in the woods and film myself on an iPhone and be like burp burp burp.

01:33:43.000 I don't need this.

01:33:43.000 I don't need you.

01:33:44.000 I'm not going to deal with this.

01:33:46.000 But these pitfalls exist, and they're all over the place, and I have seen some really, really clever ones.

01:33:53.000 They could do things in a contract where they say something like, this following provision only applies to a C-grade manager, you know, of a company, and will not pertain specifically to high-ranking officials X, Y, and Z, and then say, content produced by these people will be property of this company.

01:34:08.000 Then you go seven pages down, and it'll say, for all intents and purposes, a C-level manager could include this, that, and this.

01:34:14.000 C section 7B.

01:34:16.000 You go seven pages away, and then guess what?

01:34:18.000 You are a C-level manager.

01:34:19.000 You see how they do it?

01:34:21.000 They can say, don't worry, we're not taking your stuff.

01:34:23.000 It just says we're taking C-level manager stuff.

01:34:25.000 Like employees, because they work for us, right?

01:34:27.000 Then ten pages later, you find out that means you.

01:34:30.000 Those are the tricks they do.

01:34:31.000 Yeah, I mean, it's so evil, but it's hilarious because the entire purpose of a contract is so you can have some clear agreement on paper that both parties have consented to, but obviously once lawyers get involved, everyone's just trying to screw the other person over.

01:34:41.000 Not all the time, but they make it much easier for you to do that if you have all the tricky legal language at your disposal.

01:34:46.000 I won't sign anything.

01:34:47.000 I don't blame you.

01:34:48.000 I always say, give me one sheet of paper that explains what it is.

01:34:50.000 Yes, exactly.

01:34:51.000 That's what it has to be.

01:34:52.000 One sheet.

01:34:52.000 And they're like, there's no way.

01:34:53.000 I'm like, I don't care.

01:34:55.000 I've done sponsorship things where it's like, they give me this 10-page thing.

01:34:59.000 And I was like, you want me to shout you out?

01:35:02.000 And you want me to sign that?

01:35:03.000 And they're like, don't worry.

01:35:04.000 No, it isn't.

01:35:04.000 Have a nice day.

01:35:05.000 Bye-bye.

01:35:05.000 I'm not doing it.

01:35:06.000 What will they say?

01:35:07.000 Do they insist that you sign it and go away?

01:35:09.000 Absolutely.

01:35:10.000 Or do they go like, oh, well, if you're not going to sign it, we'll just do the sponsorship anyway.

01:35:13.000 Or we'll give you something simpler.

01:35:14.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

01:35:16.000 A lot of the times, I'm a bit too short with a lot of people.

01:35:20.000 You make it clear that there's no relationship there. 0.97

01:35:22.000 I straight up say, if you come to me and try to screw me, I will kick you out the door without a moment's notice. 0.99

01:35:31.000 There's no second chance. 0.99

01:35:33.000 You bring me a contract and you give me BS, I'm gonna look at it and I'm gonna say, get out of my building now and never come back.

01:35:39.000 You're out.

01:35:40.000 And I'll tell you this, I often advise people there's no such thing as no in business, only terms.

01:35:46.000 So if someone comes to you and they give you bad terms, you don't say no, you say improve the terms. 0.98

01:35:51.000 At a certain point, however, I'm sick and tired of them constantly flinging garbage at me, assuming I'm too stupid to realize how to run a business. 0.99

01:35:59.000 These people think they can get away with it. 1.00

01:36:00.000 Look at what Kanye West was tweeting about.

01:36:02.000 I don't know if you saw this stuff, where he talks about the labels ripping people off.

01:36:05.000 That's what it is.

01:36:06.000 Especially with young people, they probably assume like, you know, a lot of these contracts in the past few years, I'm like, in my late 20s, I'm in my early 30s, and they're like, we're gonna take everything you own. 0.99

01:36:14.000 I'm like, you think I'm a moron, don't you? 0.97

01:36:16.000 You think you can come up to someone who's like, you know, late 20s, early 30s, and they're not smart enough. 0.99

01:36:20.000 They haven't had enough experience.

01:36:21.000 You waste my time and you waste my money.

01:36:23.000 I will not do business with you.

01:36:24.000 People do make those deals, though.

01:36:26.000 That's the sad thing.

01:36:27.000 That's why they keep trying.

01:36:28.000 They know that they have success in that.

01:36:30.000 Exactly.

01:36:30.000 The reason why you just say no and stop negotiating is because you don't have time.

01:36:34.000 Like, once you get to a certain level, you get to negotiations.

01:36:38.000 So the way I have to explain it to people is, I'll ask you this, because I don't think I've ever asked you this before.

01:36:42.000 If your phone rang right now, while we're sitting here, and it was McDonald's, and you were like, what is this?

01:36:47.000 And they said, Seamus, we want you to be a cashier at the McDonald's location in Washington, you know, Central D.C., you know.

01:36:56.000 Yes, no conditions.

01:36:57.000 I don't even care.

01:36:57.000 Yes, do it.

01:36:58.000 Yeah.

01:36:59.000 What would you really say if, like, you've got a call right now from McDonald's and said, why don't you be a cashier?

01:37:03.000 I'd say, God bless you, but I have other things that I'm invested in right now that I find more rewarding than that position would probably be for me at this point in time.

01:37:11.000 So, to be fair, for you, that's probably, you have your own business, you've got a successful channel.

01:37:16.000 What I tell people when they're trying to get started in life and they're trying to find jobs, the correct answer is most people say no.

01:37:22.000 Like, most people I know of college degrees, they're like, I would not know.

01:37:25.000 I'd say no, of course.

01:37:26.000 That's the wrong answer.

01:37:27.000 You know what the correct answer is?

01:37:28.000 How much money.

01:37:29.000 Exactly.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, that's what I figured.

01:37:31.000 And so then they always respond with, Oh, but they're not going to pay me.

01:37:35.000 So who cares?

01:37:36.000 Then you don't take a job you didn't want in the first place.

01:37:38.000 Yeah.

01:37:39.000 So if they, if they call you and say, we want you to be a cashier, you say, I want 50 bucks an hour.

01:37:43.000 And when they say we do not pay that much.

01:37:45.000 Well, thank you for your time.

01:37:46.000 You have a nice day.

01:37:47.000 End of story.

01:37:47.000 I mean, because if McDonald's is calling me, right, I've got all the power here.

01:37:52.000 They reached out to me, so I could ask for more money.

01:37:55.000 I figured I could negotiate for a little more, but it's like, I love what I'm doing.

01:37:58.000 You must really want me to be a cashier.

01:38:00.000 You know it.

01:38:00.000 We just need that smile.

01:38:03.000 Spotify bought Joe Rogan to put gold handcuffs on him.

01:38:06.000 McDonald's wants to put gold handcuffs on me by making me a cashier.

01:38:10.000 I don't think they bought him to put gold in handcuffs.

01:38:11.000 No, I'm being facetious.

01:38:13.000 I have no idea what that situation is.

01:38:14.000 I love Joe, man, and his work is so important, I think.

01:38:18.000 So, it's worrying, then, when you see stories like this, and here's why I'm like, I was begrudgingly saying, like, I don't really want to talk about it, because it feels very tabloidy.

01:38:28.000 Yeah.

01:38:29.000 Yeah, talking about people does, kind of.

01:38:30.000 For sure.

01:38:31.000 Especially, like, because I've talked about him now, I think, four times in reference to a lot of the same things.

01:38:35.000 But the issue is that he's at the top of the pyramid when it comes to podcasting.

01:38:39.000 Right.

01:38:40.000 And what happens to his show is going to impact politics, culture, and the podcasting world.

01:38:46.000 The people listening, the work we do.

01:38:48.000 There's actually precedent for them to be like, this is upsetting my rights because I have to see offensive stuff.

01:38:56.000 That's gross.

01:38:57.000 Vice had something called a non-traditional workplace agreement that you had to sign when you got hired there.

01:39:02.000 This was an agreement that said, you recognize that, you know, I had to sign it.

01:39:06.000 In this workplace, you will encounter content like this, like that, whatever, and you acknowledge you will not, you know, take issue.

01:39:12.000 As a media company, we do these things. 0.95

01:39:14.000 And Vice was basically forced to remove that because leftist activists started claiming it was used to allow the men at the company to sexually assault women, which is ridiculous.

01:39:25.000 So when all of these stories of, like, assault started coming out from the higher-ranking Vice people, Then all of a sudden we started hearing these stories.

01:39:32.000 Did you know they have a non-traditional workplace agreement that says these things?

01:39:35.000 And it got leaked online and everybody read it.

01:39:37.000 Vice had people sign that to prevent them from saying, I walked into the workplace and saw, you know, a porn video playing.

01:39:44.000 Yeah.

01:39:44.000 It's like, well, you work for a magazine and this is a part of the job.

01:39:48.000 You're like, these are the kind of content you engage with.

01:39:50.000 Sometimes you're going to hear, like when Vice goes to the Middle East and you hear someone yelling like racial and ethnic slurs about their rival tribe or country.

01:40:00.000 People would get triggered or angry by it.

01:40:02.000 Or what about when Vice went and interviewed Klansmen?

01:40:04.000 And they started saying a whole bunch of racist things.

01:40:07.000 So people are gonna say, the fact that they make me have to edit this when it was derogatory about me, I believe is a violation of my right to discrimination.

01:40:17.000 Wow.

01:40:18.000 So I don't know exactly what would happen in that capacity, but that is why you end up with non-traditional workplace agreements.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, we had something similar at Mines.

01:40:27.000 I mean, I think I had to actually write that in to my own job, because I was like an admin at Mines, and I would see the boost console coming through, and it was just terrifying.

01:40:37.000 Some visceral, like...

01:40:38.000 Oh, that's rough.

01:40:39.000 Oh, that's horrible.

01:40:40.000 Well, that's traumatic.

01:40:41.000 It was traumatic.

01:40:42.000 Yeah, that's traumatic.

01:40:42.000 like in the Doom, it was like with the video game overlay, like a first person shooter, gunning women in the head.

01:40:48.000 And like, just, you know, it changed me and I had to deal, but I just quit the job.

01:40:54.000 I'm not gonna like.

01:40:55.000 Well, that's traumatic.

01:40:56.000 It was shocking.

01:40:57.000 Yeah, that's traumatic.

01:40:57.000 That's not hearing a discussion about whether or not children should be given hormones.

01:41:00.000 I couldn't tell the platform to not host it.

01:41:04.000 The platform is a platform.

01:41:06.000 It's not a publisher.

01:41:07.000 Is Spotify a publisher or a platform?

01:41:09.000 They're a publisher.

01:41:09.000 Well, that's different.

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:11.000 You have to get permission to post.

01:41:14.000 So, look, I'm not saying I know for sure that will happen, but I throw it back to things like the non-traditional workplace agreement advice and how the New York Times employees accused New York Times of being racist for allowing an article about riots that are predominantly white.

01:41:29.000 What?

01:41:30.000 Wait, this happened?

01:41:31.000 Yes, yes. 0.98

01:41:32.000 So white people are rioting. 0.84

01:41:34.000 So Tom Cotton says, send in the military and stop the riots. 0.94

01:41:37.000 So the New York Times employee says, that's racist and the New York Times is endangering black bodies or something like that. 0.60

01:41:42.000 Oh my goodness.

01:41:43.000 That's what their claim, and then it worked.

01:41:45.000 The editor from the opinion page had to resign.

01:41:47.000 They actually pulled the article and the guy resigned.

01:41:48.000 I don't know if they pulled it, but they put a whole bunch of, like, apologies and explanations, and we're trying to desperately be like, oh, please don't cancel your subscription.

01:41:57.000 Spineless.

01:41:58.000 You know what I would do?

01:42:00.000 If I had a company at the New York Times, and I was losing subscribers, my bottom line was faltering, I'd sit back, put my feet up, light a cigar, and be like, we're going down with the ship, boys!

01:42:09.000 It's gonna be a fun ride.

01:42:10.000 Oh my goodness, just publish anything you want at the New York Times.

01:42:13.000 They already do.

01:42:14.000 I'd be like, ladies and gentlemen, crack the cigar, I'd be like, The ship is going down, I'm going down with it.

01:42:20.000 I have golden parachutes prepared, severance packages for all of you if you'd like to go, or you can hang out and we can watch and see what happens.

01:42:25.000 And then the guys who don't have golden parachutes just stand there and play the violin as the ship sinks.

01:42:29.000 Yep, play the violin.

01:42:30.000 I would rather watch the ship sink than get taken over by cultists.

01:42:35.000 I'm the kind of guy, if I'm on my ship, I got my 17th century frigate or galleon or whatever, and I'm transporting my important cargo, and pirates come, I'm going to be like, scuttle the ship and burn it to the ground before I give it to these people.

01:42:50.000 You want to steal my ship? 0.84

01:42:52.000 You want to board, kill my people, and take over? 1.00

01:42:54.000 Nope. 1.00

01:42:55.000 We're burning it to the ground before we let you have it. 0.97

01:42:57.000 The New York Times doesn't do that, though.

01:42:59.000 Yeah, I guess the question is, how much is the New York Times being... I mean, obviously there's some coercion there because they published the article of their own free will and then took it down, but they're... I mean, they've always been to the left.

01:43:09.000 It's not as if these are right-wingers coming in and forcing them to say things that would contradict their previously held biases.

01:43:14.000 That's the issue.

01:43:15.000 That's like the joke I was making where in like 2030 you see the New York Times covered in vines and you go in and there's journalists all haggard like zombies.

01:43:23.000 Because their desperation to latch on to being left, they can never give it up.

01:43:29.000 That's fair.

01:43:30.000 So I was talking to a friend of mine and I was explaining the left has gone insane.

01:43:33.000 And I said, have you ever stopped to consider how weird it is that Barack Obama was called Deporter-in-Chief?

01:43:39.000 And his vice president, right alongside with him, created the cages in Homestead, Florida.

01:43:45.000 And then four years later, all of a sudden, he's for decriminalizing border crossings and moratorium on deportations.

01:43:50.000 How in four years did he jump so far on that issue?

01:43:54.000 The left has been radicalized.

01:43:56.000 And moderates and conservatives are in a very similar space they've been for the past 20, 30 years.

01:44:01.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the right-wing has changed to some extent, but the worst thing you could commit yourself to is being left-wing because that's always going to change.

01:44:06.000 I think unfortunately, presently, the right-wing has more or less become this very loose association with people who have vaguely similar views about the economy, and then socially, the views are all over the board.

01:44:18.000 So we don't have a very strong right-wing or conservative movement currently, but I think we need to develop something much more robust, and as I said earlier, rooted in Catholicism.

01:44:27.000 In 2006, the right wing was pro-war, go kill, kill, kill, get the oil, get the oil, Halliburton.

01:44:34.000 The right has changed so much and it's really depressing.

01:44:38.000 And it's funny though, because what the right was in like 2006, 2007, around that time during the Bush era, And these Black Lives Matter are neoliberals. 0.88

01:44:46.000 They're not liberals.

01:44:47.000 Liberalism is good.

01:44:47.000 It's balanced.

01:44:48.000 that and actually brought it back to something a little more old school, not entirely because

01:44:51.000 he's very socially liberal, but his more like populist economic policies and his attitudes

01:44:55.000 towards issues being based on what he thinks is best for like working people is, I think,

01:45:01.000 like a more traditional version of conservatism than we've had in this country.

01:45:05.000 And these Black Lives Matter are neoliberals. They're not liberals. Liberalism is good in 1.00

01:45:11.000 balance. Yeah, that's another discussion.

01:45:13.000 This weird aberration of liberalism is...

01:45:17.000 It's not.

01:45:17.000 That's why people start saying classical liberalism.

01:45:20.000 To protect what it means to be a legit OG.

01:45:22.000 I know, but let's just call them neoliberals and call classical liberals liberals.

01:45:26.000 I prefer cultists or, you know, cultist works. 0.98

01:45:29.000 Just crazy people, noisemakers. 0.97

01:45:30.000 Well, noisemakers too. 0.65

01:45:32.000 What does classical liberal mean either because often it's like sometimes classically liberal is made to refer specifically to or is used to refer specifically to Enlightenment values, but I think more recently people who would have been considered liberal ten years ago But now are considered moderate call themselves classically liberal.

01:45:47.000 They're wrong.

01:45:47.000 They don't know what this okay good I'm on the same page as you but I've noticed many people use the phrase that way and I'm yeah I'm curious what your thoughts are on that because because And also what the proper label is for those people if you're talking about people who are liberal ten years ago You're talking about social liberals Yeah, like Sock Dems maybe?

01:46:02.000 So, uh, no.

01:46:03.000 No, no, no, no.

01:46:04.000 No, not necessarily, because wouldn't you say the liberals ten years ago probably were

01:46:08.000 in favor of like universal healthcare and expanding government power?

01:46:10.000 Yeah, that was me.

01:46:11.000 They were.

01:46:12.000 Yeah.

01:46:13.000 Well, Obama was.

01:46:14.000 Okay, so kind of like Sock Dems.

01:46:15.000 So, social liberalism is almost identical to classical liberalism, but it leans more

01:46:18.000 towards solving social issues with government.

01:46:21.000 Yeah.

01:46:22.000 It's not extreme, it's not far left, it's center left.

01:46:24.000 So it's basically like classical liberals are like, I don't know, I lean more towards a free market solution.

01:46:28.000 And social liberal is, yeah, but some of these things can't be solved by a free market.

01:46:32.000 And then we hold hands and we sing songs and we compromise.

01:46:34.000 Because you're standing next to each other.

01:46:36.000 What they've become, they're not liberal at all.

01:46:39.000 So I've heard a lot of people say, I used to be a liberal, I guess I'm a classical, in a sense.

01:46:43.000 No, no, no, you're talking about John Locke.

01:46:45.000 You're talking about what is essentially a very libertarian position in the US.

01:46:50.000 You were in his, I think? Oh, I used to be a social democrat, socially liberal. I was...

01:46:54.000 Social democrat is typically a reference to a stronger welfare state. Yeah, I used to be like

01:47:00.000 that. But social liberal isn't. Because like a social democrat is not a person who would

01:47:05.000 necessarily say that, you know, the state needs to seize ownership of the means of production

01:47:09.000 and return that to the people.

01:47:10.000 They believe in a market economy, they just want it to be really strongly regulated and they want for there to be a very robust welfare state.

01:47:15.000 Definitely.

01:47:15.000 If you look at, like, Vanderbilt and his use of the railroads in the 1800s, he strangled New York City.

01:47:21.000 He had the only rail line in and out of New York and he just said one day, you know what? 0.71

01:47:24.000 Screw you, New York.

01:47:26.000 I've heard crazy stories of modern day versions of that with internet. 0.99

01:47:29.000 Oh, man.

01:47:29.000 Wait, I can't get in.

01:47:30.000 We gotta go to Super Chats now.

01:47:31.000 Oh, no.

01:47:32.000 What?

01:47:33.000 Oh, no?

01:47:33.000 Oh, yes.

01:47:34.000 They're all just going to be talking smack to me.

01:47:36.000 Everybody!

01:47:36.000 Because you're Freedom Tunes.

01:47:37.000 Exactly.

01:47:38.000 They're going to make fun of me and ask me to do voices.

01:47:39.000 Oh, all right.

01:47:40.000 I will take all of your money if you're insulting Seamus.

01:47:43.000 Just say mean things about me.

01:47:44.000 It's all right.

01:47:44.000 I can take it.

01:47:45.000 You know, I work on the internet.

01:47:46.000 That's the rent you pay.

01:47:47.000 And if you want him to do an impersonation, the minimum is $100.

01:47:50.000 Is it?

01:47:50.000 What?

01:47:50.000 And am I going to see any of that?

01:47:52.000 I'm kidding.

01:47:54.000 No, it's mine!

01:47:55.000 I'm kidding.

01:47:56.000 I'm kidding.

01:47:57.000 Um, however, you did, it's a, it's, it's, you ready for this?

01:48:00.000 Oh no.

01:48:01.000 First, uh, first super chat we got from Eric Burns Marsh.

01:48:04.000 He says, don't teach a member of the 70 plus genders how to fish. 1.00

01:48:08.000 We need universal basic seafood. 0.97

01:48:10.000 Anyone against this has pesco privilege.

01:48:12.000 Signed, the squad.

01:48:14.000 I love it.

01:48:15.000 Crippy Leaf says, no Ben Shapiro impression, no peace.

01:48:18.000 Okay, thanks.

01:48:18.000 I'll do the Ben Shapiro impression if everyone's gonna lose their minds about it because last time I was looking at the chats after I was done with the show and everyone was asking for Ben Shapiro the entire time and I realized that I hadn't done it thoroughly and part of that was because I was very tired that day.

01:48:26.000 I had taken several plane rides in order to get here because I was on the other side of the continent and now I'm here and I'm talking and I have to do this Ben Shapiro impression and don't get me wrong, I'm happy to do it, I'm happy to be here, okay gang, but I'm not just like, you can't just put a quarter on my back and expect a Ben Shapiro impression so hopefully that super chat was for more than a quarter.

01:48:38.000 It was, definitely.

01:48:38.000 Yeah, two dollars.

01:48:39.000 Okay, thank goodness.

01:48:40.000 All right, we're good now.

01:48:41.000 Let's see.

01:48:42.000 Nikki says, I have noticed that.

01:48:44.000 I've noticed that, like, you and Ruben will get a lot of hit pieces and videos made about you, but that just shows that what you're doing is working.

01:48:50.000 I just ignore it all.

01:48:51.000 Keep it up Tim, you're changing lives.

01:48:52.000 I have noticed that. I've noticed that like you and Ruben will get a lot of hit pieces

01:48:56.000 and videos made about you but that just shows that what you're doing is working.

01:48:58.000 I just ignore it all.

01:48:59.000 Yeah, well yeah you have to.

01:49:00.000 I mean...

01:49:01.000 I mean like sometimes there is good faith criticism which you should take into account but...

01:49:05.000 Nope.

01:49:05.000 Yeah.

01:49:07.000 Listen, man.

01:49:07.000 I think it depends on who it comes from.

01:49:08.000 If a friend comes to me and says, hey, this video seemed wrong for this reason, I'll listen.

01:49:11.000 But if it's some YouTuber and their whole goal is to get views dunking on you, then it's like, you do your thing.

01:49:17.000 I'm fine with you being able to do that, but you're probably not going to have advice for me that'll be that great at appealing to my audience or speaking the truth.

01:49:23.000 You can't read the tone of text.

01:49:25.000 It's the tone that helps you learn a lot of times.

01:49:27.000 I wake up, I read the news, I complain about my feelings on the internet.

01:49:31.000 If you think, like, the people who are dunking on me assume I'm, like, some prominent, high-profile public figure, you can view me that way.

01:49:40.000 I know I get a lot of views and everything.

01:49:42.000 But listen, man, I still wake up, sit down, read the news, and then complain about my feelings.

01:49:47.000 I don't script it.

01:49:48.000 I've even been very self-deprecating.

01:49:50.000 I've said, like, it's very obvious I don't put a lot of work into what I do.

01:49:53.000 I literally press record and then just talk about my feelings.

01:49:56.000 If my feelings resonate, I'm grateful.

01:49:58.000 It's awesome.

01:50:00.000 But like, there's no planning stage.

01:50:02.000 There's no A-B testing.

01:50:04.000 There's no script writing.

01:50:05.000 It's literally like, wow, did you see this story about the 300 people getting arrested?

01:50:09.000 Dude, record.

01:50:10.000 Guys, did you see this?

01:50:11.000 Man, I can't believe it because you know I was reading the story the other day and I just talk about my feelings, right?

01:50:15.000 So, when people start making hit pieces about me, I'm like, I didn't care about you a year ago, I didn't care about you two years ago, I'm not gonna care about you today, and I'll never even know you existed a year from now.

01:50:26.000 Why?

01:50:27.000 Because all I'm doing is telling you my feelings and the things I read, and I'm trying to make sure I have the correct understanding of these things, and then when I'm done, I go and play video games, or I'll go skate, I'll play some music, and then we'll hang out and have more conversations.

01:50:39.000 Why?

01:50:39.000 Because I like to have conversations.

01:50:41.000 If people want to watch, this is what I've always told people, The reason I started kind of doing what I did when I traveled around the world was because I wanted to travel.

01:50:49.000 And I said, maybe people would like to watch and see what I film when I travel.

01:50:53.000 And I wanted to go to places in conflict and crisis.

01:50:55.000 And I did that.

01:50:56.000 Now I want to talk about how I feel about news and make sure I'm getting the details right, my opinions are informed, and I guess people want to watch that too.

01:51:02.000 So they can rag on me all day and night.

01:51:04.000 Right on, man.

01:51:05.000 More power to you.

01:51:05.000 Congratulations.

01:51:07.000 No beef.

01:51:07.000 I just want to add one other thing you do.

01:51:10.000 Eat banana chips.

01:51:11.000 Recently.

01:51:12.000 Yeah.

01:51:13.000 Ian has done so many reply guy videos just scorching me.

01:51:17.000 He's always like, this is what's wrong with Freedom Tunes!

01:51:20.000 And then he uploads it to his channel with his avatar and people come and scorch me in the comment section.

01:51:24.000 I'm a wild animal, bro.

01:51:25.000 Exactly.

01:51:25.000 All right, let's read some more of these.

01:51:27.000 I'm sorry for derailing that.

01:51:29.000 Let's see.

01:51:30.000 Tom Bowersock says, wasn't a fan of Maj yesterday.

01:51:33.000 That said, this chat is to respect the fact that you had him on and had an interesting conversation.

01:51:37.000 And I hope everybody who checked out that episode who weren't fans can respect that, at least tried to make sure I was reading their comments as well, you know?

01:51:47.000 So the people who were upset, we ended up going 45 minutes extra because I want to make sure if you think he's getting things wrong, we're not going to shy away from this.

01:51:53.000 They all tweeted at me.

01:51:55.000 Because we put your name on accident.

01:51:58.000 No, it actually wasn't that many tweets.

01:52:00.000 I just think it's really funny to ham up.

01:52:02.000 Alright, here we go.

01:52:03.000 Steven O'Hare says 20 bucks for fake Sasquatch news.

01:52:07.000 That's right.

01:52:07.000 That's how we started.

01:52:08.000 Sasquatch is not real.

01:52:11.000 I think Sasquatch was a bear.

01:52:12.000 No, it was a guy in a suit.

01:52:16.000 Oh, maybe at one point.

01:52:16.000 Joe Rogan had a really good bit about that actually.

01:52:20.000 What was it?

01:52:21.000 He's just talking about how the guy who photographed Bigfoot.

01:52:24.000 Dude, I feel like I'm going to get this wrong, but there's something like the guy who photographed Bigfoot, his whole thing was to try to find a picture of Bigfoot and then he went out there and coincidentally he did.

01:52:30.000 It was like a guy in a suit, but please don't quote me on that.

01:52:34.000 I hope I'm not spreading fake news about fake Bigfoot sightings.

01:52:37.000 Alright, let's see what we got.

01:52:40.000 Gentleman says, are you still making that card game with Seamus?

01:52:44.000 If so, is there a Kickstarter we can donate to?

01:52:46.000 In fact, it is also with Ian, who is the game master, and because we both play Magic the Gathering, and Adam as well, most of you guys know Adam Kregler, is contributing to the game mechanics, and Seamus is the art fella.

01:52:59.000 As the artist, yeah, I've been doing art for that, and it's a lot of fun.

01:53:01.000 I've never really played any of those, like, card games with any kind of, like, magic themes or any of that, and part of that was just, like, not going towards that, I think, as a Christian.

01:53:09.000 But I really love the idea of this really fun card game which we've developed and which you guys have had, like, incredible ideas for, and then me just being able to get these... Make jokes.

01:53:17.000 These jokes that I can make about whatever political figures we're discussing, because I think it's going to be an extremely fun card game that's going to basically appeal to anyone who pays any attention to politics.

01:53:26.000 Yeah.

01:53:26.000 And so I'm so pumped It's basically a tabletop.

01:53:30.000 The idea is you can pop up in the box, and you can play with all your friends, and the goal is to get your opponent banned from the internet.

01:53:37.000 It's on the fourth iteration now.

01:53:39.000 It was really complicated at first.

01:53:41.000 Me and Tim are huge Magic fans.

01:53:43.000 And it's really funny because when you guys reached out to me about this, I had no idea how public it is, so I was trying to keep it on the DL.

01:53:49.000 And people are like, oh, Tim Poole mentioned you're working on a card game.

01:53:51.000 And I was like, okay, cool.

01:53:52.000 I can talk about it because I'm really pumped to put it together.

01:53:55.000 Somebody had a really good super chat.

01:53:56.000 Samuel Eddie says, for Freedom Tunes, Tim Poole time travels and tells his younger self he is voting for Trump.

01:54:02.000 And then a much older Tim Poole appears from further in the future.

01:54:04.000 Man, that could be good.

01:54:07.000 Yeah.

01:54:08.000 Because I said, like in 2018, I will never vote for Donald Trump.

01:54:12.000 It's never going to happen.

01:54:12.000 I was laughing.

01:54:13.000 And now here I'm like, I'm going to vote for Trump.

01:54:17.000 Can I ask you a super chat, sir?

01:54:19.000 Me?

01:54:19.000 Yes.

01:54:20.000 Where's the money?

01:54:20.000 I'll get a dollar out of my pocket and hand it to you after the show.

01:54:22.000 Alright, what's a super chip?

01:54:23.000 What is your most important issue this election?

01:54:26.000 What's like the number one thing you're voting about?

01:54:29.000 The riots.

01:54:29.000 The riots, okay, fair enough.

01:54:31.000 I feel like the Democrats have tried to use the destruction of the small business owner and the family, like the family and innocent people, to gain political power and I am enraged by this.

01:54:41.000 When I watched that guy, I forgot what his name was, but he had his sports bar burned to the ground.

01:54:48.000 And he was crying.

01:54:51.000 He's in the news.

01:54:52.000 And the Democrats were supporting all of this.

01:54:55.000 Obviously, they've been careful about how they have, but they have.

01:54:58.000 And so I thought, We are watching innocent people bawling their eyes out on TV, having their lives ripped from them and destroyed by violent mobs, and all I asked was you say, stop this.

01:55:11.000 And you wouldn't do it.

01:55:12.000 You wouldn't call out Antifa, you wouldn't call out Black Lives Matter.

01:55:15.000 The Democrats need to understand, we as regular Americans who want to live our lives, whether you're liberal or conservative, want to open a small business and be with your family, we will not tolerate You bailing these people out and supporting this destruction.

01:55:29.000 And on top of that, I said earlier in the year, one of the things Trump could do to get me to vote for him, there's a couple things, is partying nonviolent drug offenders and doing like an executive order to essentially legalize marijuana and or pulling our troops out of the Middle East.

01:55:45.000 Trump is doing that and he's doing peace agreements, so I'm satisfied.

01:55:48.000 Good for you.

01:55:48.000 Is it alright if I ask you guys, too, before we head on?

01:55:51.000 I'm actually really curious.

01:55:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:52.000 You want to start, Ian?

01:55:53.000 Yeah, mine is the Trans-Pacific Partnership and how the Democratic Obama and Biden wanted to get us into this trade deal with Malaysia and all these countries in East Asia that would have basically allowed them to sue our population if they felt like we were discriminating against their oil companies and things.

01:56:10.000 So if they wanted to sell us You know, Korean oil or Malaysian oil, and we said, no, we don't want it.

01:56:15.000 They would say, well, you're discriminating, so we're going to sue the American government.

01:56:19.000 And Trump, like a week after he got into office or something, he just nixed the whole deal.

01:56:23.000 Yep.

01:56:24.000 He said he was going to do it.

01:56:25.000 He gets in, he goes, boom, gone.

01:56:28.000 And I don't understand why the progressives weren't cheering for that.

01:56:30.000 Because Bernie Sanders said the same thing.

01:56:33.000 It was hidden in a clause inside of it.

01:56:35.000 So it was very on the down low.

01:56:37.000 I'll let you know if I remember the name of the clause.

01:56:38.000 Yes, please do.

01:56:40.000 Oh yeah, so I think my biggest issue right now is probably also the riots because it is, it can no longer be the national deficit.

01:56:48.000 I really hate that about the Trump administration because I was very concerned about the national deficit because if you, like me, ever want to have children, you need to think about what we're leaving to our kids.

01:56:57.000 Yep.

01:56:57.000 That's a huge deficit and it just got like four times bigger.

01:57:01.000 Ten feet taller!

01:57:02.000 Yep, ten feet taller, no joke.

01:57:04.000 Trump comes out, we're gonna make the deficit ten feet taller in the graph, that's only one, you know, Oh, gosh, yeah.

01:57:11.000 What about you, Seamus?

01:57:12.000 Oh, I would definitely say abortion. 0.97

01:57:14.000 It always is.

01:57:14.000 Just the fact that we're killing, I think, like 800,000 unborn babies per year.

01:57:18.000 Did you see the Democrat article, the pro-left Democrats took out a full-page ad in the New York Times?

01:57:22.000 No.

01:57:22.000 I'm going to show it to you after the show.

01:57:23.000 They said the Democrats need to moderate their position on abortion because they're leaving behind 30% of their own supporters and 44% of independent voters because they've become too extreme.

01:57:34.000 And I have been saying that, too.

01:57:36.000 I'm pro-choice.

01:57:37.000 But when Michelle, what's her name, Wolf or whatever, comes out on Netflix going, Everybody get abortions! 1.00

01:57:43.000 You get an abortion! 0.98

01:57:44.000 I'm like, this is gross. 0.98

01:57:47.000 It's gross.

01:57:48.000 You know, yeah.

01:57:49.000 It's like I was saying about deportation, too.

01:57:53.000 They've gone, instead of just being like, we're gonna slowly move left, they went, whoosh!

01:57:58.000 They just jumped like a whole football field to the left, and I'm like, whoa!

01:58:01.000 Not okay with that.

01:58:02.000 Sorry.

01:58:02.000 I will.

01:58:03.000 I remembered what, oh, it's called the Investor State Dispute Settlement.

01:58:08.000 If you look up the Trans-Pacific Partnership and look at the Investor State Dispute Settlement,

01:58:12.000 you can read about how just they were going to sell our country out.

01:58:15.000 I will.

01:58:16.000 And what I was just going to say in response to Tim before we moved to the super chats

01:58:20.000 yeah i mean i believe abortion at any stage in pregnancy is murder but it's

01:58:23.000 obvious that the the

01:58:26.000 official position of the democratic party is even more radically pro-choice

01:58:30.000 than that of the market so i'll call it the local approach is just pro abortion

01:58:33.000 yeah exactly i would argue that i get any position in support of it is but

01:58:37.000 the democrats are also getting up to the point of literally being pro and fana

01:58:40.000 In some states, they're against the Born Alive Act.

01:58:42.000 I mean, if an abortion fails and the child is delivered, they believe that it's acceptable to kill that child and that there's no protections that that child should have extended to them by the government.

01:58:51.000 Tulsi Gabbard said there's got to be some restrictions.

01:58:55.000 And it's a very, very complicated and difficult argument.

01:58:59.000 I believe she is correct.

01:59:00.000 And for libertarian reasons, I'm pro-choice.

01:59:02.000 I think life begins at conception.

01:59:05.000 But there are serious challenges in the government's authority, what they can do and how they can control things and what their rights are.

01:59:10.000 And it really just comes down to one of these ethical arguments where there's a moral disagreement.

01:59:17.000 And I ultimately am very much not a fan of abortion, but I recognize the difficulties in trying to be a nation with individual freedoms and restricting the power of the government in certain capacities.

01:59:31.000 That being said, is a big challenge for me, for sure.

01:59:34.000 So when I'm confronted with these arguments, I'm sitting here racking my brain, trying to find this balance, and then the left comes out and starts screaming, you know, what did Lena Dunham say?

01:59:45.000 She wished she had an abortion? 0.99

01:59:46.000 Oh my goodness.

01:59:47.000 Do you remember that?

01:59:49.000 That's like, come on, man.

01:59:51.000 We're trying to have a discussion about something that we think is like, like the position of the Democrats used to be begrudgingly.

01:59:58.000 We don't want to be for this, but we recognize the importance of it in certain circumstances.

02:00:03.000 Yeah, safe, legal, and rare was the buzz phrase, but that they don't really care about rare.

02:00:08.000 And they don't even really care about safe at all.

02:00:10.000 Anytime anyone tries to impose any restrictions on Planned Parenthood or the way they're able to operate, they cry bloody murder about how this is restricting abortion access.

02:00:18.000 So safe doesn't matter to them at all.

02:00:20.000 Rare doesn't matter to them at all.

02:00:21.000 Legal's all they care about.

02:00:22.000 I think this ad from the pro-life Democrats is legit.

02:00:25.000 I think there's a lot of Democrats.

02:00:27.000 I had a conversation with... I've been talking to a lot of my friends, you know, because we're getting close to the election.

02:00:32.000 Uh-oh.

02:00:34.000 We're getting close to our... I'm so sorry, I totally derailed this.

02:00:39.000 No, no, no, it's fine.

02:00:40.000 It's a great conversation.

02:00:42.000 I gotta clear up the hard drives.

02:00:43.000 Anyway, I digress.

02:00:45.000 I was talking to a friend of mine who is a progressive left-leaning voter who said they were scared to speak up about how they're pro-life.

02:00:54.000 And I was like, then how are you voting for a Democrat?

02:00:56.000 And they said they probably wouldn't.

02:00:58.000 Oh, well, yeah.

02:00:59.000 But they're progressive, and they're just like, they can't support it.

02:01:03.000 Good for them.

02:01:03.000 Well, I mean, I'll pray for them, and I hope that they can be encouraged to know that speaking out for life is the most noble thing you can do, and I'll leave it at that.

02:01:12.000 I'm gonna try and read through some of these quickly because... Can we stop the recording and keep the stream going?

02:01:18.000 The stream will keep going no matter what.

02:01:19.000 Okay.

02:01:19.000 It's just if we want to make sure people can watch it later.

02:01:21.000 Later, yeah.

02:01:22.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 So, let's see.

02:01:23.000 I just had a great super chat.

02:01:25.000 I feel bad.

02:01:26.000 Question for Seamus.

02:01:27.000 Sure.

02:01:27.000 In the Freedom Tunes, why won't you debate me?

02:01:29.000 Is the red button on Trump's remote control the nuke button?

02:01:33.000 If it is, lol if it is, love your stuff dude.

02:01:36.000 Well, I mean, it should.

02:01:37.000 I believe the president probably should have a remote control which he knows. 1.00

02:01:40.000 First of all, if anyone is to be trusted, they had it in this big, stupid-looking football. 0.99

02:01:46.000 I said, we don't like that. 1.00

02:01:47.000 We don't like it.

02:01:48.000 Let's put that on the remote.

02:01:49.000 Don't you think it should be on the remote?

02:01:50.000 I think it should be on the remote.

02:01:51.000 So we put it right on the remote.

02:01:53.000 Alright, we got the real Darth Squishy says, this goes out to my favorite basement dwelling newscaster.

02:01:58.000 Bring on Adam Ford or someone else from the Babylon Bee.

02:02:00.000 That would be awesome.

02:02:01.000 Those guys are really cool.

02:02:03.000 I just chatted with them.

02:02:04.000 We're not in the basement.

02:02:05.000 We haven't been for a very, very long time.

02:02:07.000 The basement studio has moved.

02:02:08.000 We're actually in the attic.

02:02:11.000 I want to show you guys.

02:02:13.000 It's beautiful up here.

02:02:14.000 Much better than a basement.

02:02:15.000 We're in an attic.

02:02:16.000 Look, there's a TV behind Seamus now that wasn't there the other day.

02:02:19.000 It's really big.

02:02:20.000 I brought that for Tim as a token of my gratitude for allowing me on the show again.

02:02:24.000 Alright, here we go.

02:02:25.000 Captain says, Tim, doubling down on yesterday's question about military gear.

02:02:28.000 You mentioned citizens shouldn't see APCs with military types hanging off with long guns.

02:02:32.000 Those guys are SWAT, not regular police.

02:02:35.000 The defund military gear argument needs research.

02:02:37.000 I completely agree you are correct.

02:02:38.000 I mentioned this earlier in the day.

02:02:40.000 That the challenge is due to population density.

02:02:44.000 And the increased danger from large groups that are rioting that we didn't have in the past.

02:02:49.000 And now we're entering a really difficult period where we say we don't want cops to look like a military force, but we also have 300 people running around smashing and starting fires and shooting cops.

02:02:58.000 And not only is it larger population, but easier for them to coordinate.

02:03:04.000 Exactly.

02:03:05.000 And so if I'm going to ask an officer to please stop the riots, they're going to say, OK, can I have an armored vehicle?

02:03:09.000 I'm going to be like, that makes sense.

02:03:10.000 Someone just shot a bunch of cops.

02:03:11.000 Yeah.

02:03:12.000 So now it's like, It's not a question of what they should look like or should be doing, it's a question of where is this going to lead as society grows bigger.

02:03:19.000 Robot cops!

02:03:22.000 Oh my goodness.

02:03:23.000 Theme of the show!

02:03:24.000 I heard about this!

02:03:29.000 They went so far as to promote KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov.

02:03:32.000 Yes.

02:03:32.000 And Kotaku wrote an article calling the decision dangerous alt-right boogeyman for fascist Trump supporters.

02:03:38.000 That's hysterical.

02:03:38.000 Yeah, being anti-communist makes you dangerous and alt-right.

02:03:41.000 It does.

02:03:42.000 That's hilarious.

02:03:42.000 Anti-communist is called like a far-right dog whistle and...

02:03:45.000 And have you seen these articles about quote-unquote far-right pedophilia panic?

02:03:50.000 Oh yeah!

02:03:50.000 That's a phrase now?

02:03:52.000 Being panicked about pedophiles makes you far-right?

02:03:55.000 I gotta try and go quick so I'm gonna make sure I get these.

02:03:57.000 Let's see, Ron Garian says, can we get an impression of Donald Trump doing an impression of Jordan Peterson in The Speed of Ben Shapiro?

02:04:05.000 Okay, so first we're gonna start.

02:04:07.000 We're gonna go like, oh, a little up here.

02:04:09.000 I'm Jordan Peterson.

02:04:09.000 Like, how good is his Jordan Peterson is the first question.

02:04:12.000 Right.

02:04:12.000 Probably not a great... Now I'm just talking like Barney, but really, really quickly.

02:04:19.000 Okay, folks, here's the thing.

02:04:20.000 If you're going to embody the archetypal me of those of the hero by metaphorically dying, you have to go to the Underworld and rescue your father.

02:04:26.000 Okay, gang?

02:04:27.000 I can't believe you did it!

02:04:29.000 You have to go to the Underworld, you have to rescue your father, and then you have to put together your own archetype and make sure that your room is perfectly clean so that you're capable of doing it.

02:04:34.000 There were like five words in there that didn't make sense, but you know what?

02:04:36.000 I'm happy because it was just as fast as it needed to be.

02:04:39.000 I'm impressed.

02:04:39.000 Thank you.

02:04:40.000 I love it.

02:04:40.000 Sirkelz says, Tim, thank you for your unique perspective.

02:04:43.000 I never miss your videos because you're real.

02:04:45.000 Lydia is legit too.

02:04:46.000 Keep up the great work.

02:04:47.000 We will.

02:04:48.000 Wow, Ian.

02:04:49.000 We got left out there.

02:04:50.000 Woot! 1.00

02:04:50.000 When they win, I win. 1.00

02:04:52.000 Alright, let's see.

02:04:54.000 Ian Hall says, to General Poole, Salty Army 1st Division, and Seamus the Amazing, one very important question.

02:05:01.000 If someone serves in the military and not a citizen, should they be given the fast forward to the line?

02:05:06.000 My personal opinion is yes.

02:05:08.000 Mine is as well.

02:05:09.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:05:09.000 Repeat that.

02:05:10.000 If someone isn't a citizen, and they join the U.S. 0.89

02:05:13.000 military and serve, should they get a fast track to citizenship?

02:05:17.000 Oh my gosh, when he said the line, I thought he meant the front lines.

02:05:20.000 I was like, why would you do that?

02:05:22.000 That's why I wanted to make sure that I didn't mishear that.

02:05:25.000 Well, maybe.

02:05:28.000 I think there's something there, and we're certainly really hurting for membership in the military.

02:05:34.000 Are we?

02:05:37.000 They say that if we ever really had free college, the number of people signing up for the military would decrease exponentially because that's the motivation for quite a few people.

02:05:46.000 I actually don't know the metric for that to be honest.

02:05:50.000 Do you think they should get a fast track?

02:05:52.000 Should they get a fast track?

02:05:53.000 Ooh, I haven't given it that much thought.

02:05:56.000 My first instinct is to say, yes, that sounds like a good thing, but don't hold me to that because I haven't given it a lot of thought.

02:06:01.000 I mean, this is the first time I'm hearing of it.

02:06:04.000 Absolutely.

02:06:05.000 They are going to serve and protect and join the armed forces.

02:06:09.000 They're going to get proper training.

02:06:11.000 They're going to be in the command structure.

02:06:13.000 And so I think that's fantastic.

02:06:15.000 And we can be reciprocal.

02:06:18.000 Fair enough.

02:06:19.000 Yeah.

02:06:19.000 So, Philip Xavier says, Seamus, what's your view on same-sex marriage?

02:06:23.000 Oh yeah, I mean, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

02:06:25.000 You don't agree with same-sex marriage at all?

02:06:27.000 No.

02:06:28.000 There's an interesting- We were talking about something about this a while ago, because one of these, like- I had a moment where there was this thing called, uh, Prop 8 The Musical.

02:06:37.000 Do you know what Prop 8 was?

02:06:38.000 So was Proposition 8 the one in California?

02:06:40.000 Yes.

02:06:41.000 And so this was before the Supreme Court ruling and all that.

02:06:43.000 And there's a line where Jack Black says, remember your nation is built on separation of church and state, which it's actually, I'm pretty sure it's not.

02:06:51.000 It was like it was way later after the formation of the U.S.

02:06:53.000 They talked about the separation.

02:06:55.000 But the interesting thing about it was, I was like, wouldn't that actually mean that marriage as an Abrahamic institution couldn't face, under the First Amendment, couldn't be altered or ordered?

02:07:06.000 Well, and on top of that, I reject the view that this is a specifically religious issue.

02:07:10.000 It's just a product of natural law.

02:07:12.000 It's not just Catholic teaching that marriage is between a man and a woman.

02:07:15.000 This was held by virtually all Christian denominations until probably 30 years ago and is held by many other religions and many people who aren't even religious.

02:07:23.000 The point is, oftentimes when someone says a religion is being forced on them, what they're saying is that people want the state to encourage people to live by natural law.

02:07:30.000 I'm not out there saying that it should be illegal to eat meat on Friday.

02:07:33.000 I'm not forcing my Catholic faith onto people.

02:07:35.000 I'm saying that we need to define laws in accordance with reality and it is the reality that marriage is between a man and woman.

02:07:40.000 That's what the word means.

02:07:42.000 It means to mix when you marry two things.

02:07:45.000 So what if you could do like legal marriage for any sexes but holy marriage for men and women?

02:07:53.000 I guess I'm not sure what that would mean.

02:07:54.000 Like legal, you mean like civil unions?

02:07:56.000 Taxes.

02:07:56.000 Right.

02:07:56.000 Like civil unions and taxes?

02:07:58.000 Yeah.

02:07:58.000 So check this out, this is really important.

02:07:59.000 So I recognize, and Obama had this position too, that marriage is a religious institution.

02:08:06.000 That, like the concept is.

02:08:08.000 But it became a policy institution for American citizens.

02:08:13.000 And so now I have friends who are, I have a very good friend of mine who is a lesbian. 0.99

02:08:18.000 She makes more money than her significant other. 0.99

02:08:22.000 If they get married, they share the tax benefits.

02:08:24.000 Right now, as individuals, they're not reaping the full, you know, benefits of a married couple.

02:08:29.000 And if they want to live together and have a life together, and I think as a very, you know, by more power to them, I'm, you know, happy that she's happy.

02:08:37.000 I think she should have the same equality under the tax law. 1.00

02:08:40.000 And that means she needs the same legal protections.

02:08:43.000 You see what I mean?

02:08:44.000 Yeah, so what you said earlier, though, I find interesting, this idea that it was like a religious issue, but then it became a public policy issue.

02:08:49.000 I guess I just reject the idea that it was... I mean, it's become a religious issue in the sense that the Catholic Church is pretty much the only remaining institution in the world that is upholding the traditional definition of marriage, but I don't agree that it's specifically religious.

02:09:01.000 I mean, you have people getting married in non-religious contexts all the time, and that was never viewed as anything but between a man and a woman until very recently.

02:09:07.000 Right, well that's because it's rooted in a religious context.

02:09:10.000 Would you say that though?

02:09:11.000 I mean, people got married before Abrahamic religions existed.

02:09:15.000 Did they?

02:09:16.000 Yeah, I mean, look, if a woman is going to become pregnant if she has sex with you, then she's probably going to want certain commitments, and the community's going to want to ensure that you're going to stick around with her before you have kids. 0.61

02:09:26.000 So those are probably the anthropological foundations of marriage.

02:09:30.000 So the way I view it is, if we're going to grant law benefits, legal benefits, we have to grant identical benefits to all people.

02:09:39.000 Now, there's certain challenges in where you draw the line, and people have different morals on this, because there's been a bunch of arguments about where that leads to, but if we have equality under the law, and we have equality in the Constitution, then we can't tell people, you know, you can't have the same rights as somebody else.

02:09:55.000 Yeah, I guess it depends.

02:09:56.000 But there are challenges there because of the interpretation of what a right would be.

02:09:59.000 Yeah.

02:09:59.000 And so that's why it's like, look, I think it really comes down to generational morality.

02:10:05.000 Like, literal generations.

02:10:07.000 A younger generation is going to be more like, sure, why not, right?

02:10:10.000 I have no problem with gay marriage.

02:10:13.000 The next generation is going to say, sure, why not?

02:10:14.000 I have no problem with gender dysphoric youth taking hormones. 0.74

02:10:19.000 The next generations are changing. 0.82

02:10:21.000 I will add, though, Pew Research shows that Generation Z's actually tilted slightly back conservative a little bit.

02:10:26.000 So we'll see how that plays out.

02:10:28.000 I don't know if you want to, you know, take the last word on that one, but I think we're gonna, you know, I'll do one more Super Chat.

02:10:35.000 You could go for like an hour on that.

02:10:36.000 Right, exactly.

02:10:37.000 So I don't want to take the last word from you if you wanted to say anything.

02:10:41.000 I mean, I suppose you could go back to the Super Chat.

02:10:42.000 Right on.

02:10:43.000 Alright, let's see.

02:10:44.000 We'll take just one more because...

02:10:47.000 You know, let's take some... The World Is Not Enough says, wait.

02:10:49.000 Tim believes life begins at conception.

02:10:51.000 Is pro-choice, but anti-death penalty.

02:10:53.000 Convicts greater than fetuses, Tim?

02:10:55.000 There is a great ethical conundrum in there, and it's why I explain why it's so difficult.

02:11:00.000 I think it's absurd to argue that life doesn't begin at conception.

02:11:04.000 It absolutely does.

02:11:05.000 You literally have an independent life.

02:11:07.000 It requires support for a certain amount of time.

02:11:11.000 That doesn't take away what it is, because it's a very simple argument.

02:11:14.000 If someone's on life support, it doesn't take away what they are.

02:11:16.000 If someone requires a kidney transplant, it doesn't take away what they are.

02:11:18.000 And so we have to make sure that there's this clear point.

02:11:22.000 A lot of the arguments from the left and the Democrats on abortion has been determining a nebulous line where they finally agree that this is life.

02:11:29.000 It's like, no, the life was created when the cells began splitting.

02:11:33.000 Just because it's not big enough for you, I don't agree with that.

02:11:36.000 So, when it comes to abortion, I've had long conversations about this, I've had long ethical meditations on it, I suppose, and I just can't get myself past the line where the government has the right to mandate one person provide part of their body to another person.

02:11:51.000 So, I don't view abortion as murder, though I do view it as the act that will kill the life. 1.00

02:12:01.000 So why is it not murder, but an act that will kill a life?

02:12:02.000 I guess, where do you draw the distinction?

02:12:04.000 So, the way I see it is, if I'm giving my blood to someone else, and I say, I don't want to give you my blood anymore, it is my individual autonomy not to be forcefully, by the government, told I have to give you my blood to keep you alive.

02:12:18.000 But what if you put the person in the situation where they required your blood?

02:12:22.000 So the issue there is, now we have to determine whether or not you did.

02:12:27.000 And so do we have a court about that?

02:12:28.000 Do we have a legal proceeding?

02:12:29.000 Are you lying?

02:12:30.000 Are you telling the truth?

02:12:31.000 And do we... So it really just comes down to who... I had a great conversation with Glenn Beck about this, and it's like, man, I hear ya, you know?

02:12:39.000 It's just like, I keep, in my mind, hitting the wall where I'm like, the government says, you must give your blood.

02:12:45.000 I guess because I don't know.

02:12:47.000 Well, I don't believe that it's an equivalency because in one situation you're talking about the government forcing you to give blood to somebody, presumably, possibly a stranger, whereas this is a situation of a mother-child relationship, which is fundamentally different.

02:12:58.000 And it could be forced on the woman. 0.99

02:13:00.000 So that's true.

02:13:01.000 I'll tell you this.

02:13:02.000 I think a horrible situation, but I still believe that that child has all of the same rights that we do.

02:13:07.000 So, I think there's, I've heard from conservatives the exception with incest and rape.

02:13:13.000 I disagree with that.

02:13:14.000 Yeah.

02:13:14.000 I think, like, if you're arguing that that's a grounds for abortion, I'm like, I don't agree.

02:13:20.000 First of all, I think the health of the mother and child is absolutely a circumstance.

02:13:25.000 And ultimately, regardless of the argument, I just can't hit, I hit that wall where the government says we have to provide our bodies to someone else for any capacity, for any reason.

02:13:34.000 And I think, I'll tell you this.

02:13:37.000 If someone told me that they were going to get an abortion as contraception, that's disgusting to me.

02:13:41.000 Like, oh, oop, accidentally got pregnant, gonna go to the abortion. 1.00

02:13:44.000 I'm like, that's horrifying.

02:13:46.000 And the challenge is, we could set limits like, you can't do that.

02:13:51.000 And then what do we do to the victims?

02:13:54.000 Look, man, I don't think there's a good answer to this.

02:13:56.000 I really, really don't.

02:13:57.000 Yeah, I disagree.

02:13:58.000 I understand where you're coming from about some of it being messy at some point, but

02:14:00.000 there was a point in time in this country where abortion was illegal, and not necessarily

02:14:04.000 in every state, but in pre-Roe v. Wade, many states did not prohibit, or I'm sorry, prohibited

02:14:08.000 abortion at any point.

02:14:11.000 And I did a video on this a little while ago.

02:14:12.000 There were a lot of myths spread by abortion activists about back alley abortions and how

02:14:15.000 frequently they led to deaths, and almost all of that was untrue.

02:14:18.000 For sure.

02:14:19.000 And most of the decline in deaths from back alley abortions we saw was a result of the

02:14:23.000 development of antibiotics, and not any changes in our laws.

02:14:27.000 The year before Roe v. Wade was passed, you had almost as many, if not just as many abortions

02:14:32.000 as you did the year, I'm sorry, deaths by abortion as we did immediately after, and

02:14:37.000 many of those deaths occurred in states where abortion was legal.

02:14:40.000 So I guess my point is, I reject the framing that this is too complicated for us to handle legally, because we have in the past.

02:14:49.000 It's a hard moral and ethical conundrum.

02:14:52.000 I don't think I have good answers.

02:14:54.000 I just think that there's something in my mind where I see an ethical issue.

02:14:58.000 But I will say, just to move on, not that I can give you a satisfactory answer, and for that I apologize.

02:15:03.000 Just come over to my side, Tim.

02:15:06.000 I would say that philosophically I'm definitely pro-life.

02:15:10.000 Legally, I'm not.

02:15:13.000 But I will say this, I think there's got to be restrictions on when you can get an abortion, like Tulsi Gabbard said.

02:15:20.000 And in reference to the question about convicts being greater than fetuses, the issue with convicts, I'm against death penalty, The reason is I believe if you've subdued someone to the point where they're no longer a threat, snuffing out their life is destruction of a miracle.

02:15:34.000 Individuals are infinitely unique and choosing to kill something that is, you know, Yeah, it's destruction.

02:15:43.000 Some thing, like a cow?

02:15:45.000 It's a person, yeah.

02:15:46.000 Oh, and I recognize, like, choosing to kill an animal comes from serving a purpose.

02:15:51.000 You know?

02:15:52.000 But having someone locked in a cell, there's serious ethical conundrums.

02:15:55.000 I've contemplated exile.

02:15:57.000 Like, what right do you have to cage somebody if they've slighted your view of morality?

02:16:03.000 Do you put them on a boat, kick them off, and say, go live on an island?

02:16:05.000 I don't know.

02:16:06.000 Humans are animals.

02:16:07.000 It's tough questions, man.

02:16:09.000 I do believe that our life is far above that of animals, though.

02:16:12.000 But we're also animals.

02:16:13.000 We're all just different types of animals.

02:16:15.000 We're rational animals.

02:16:16.000 I mean, we're rational creatures, too.

02:16:17.000 I don't even really like to frame them as animals.

02:16:19.000 We've desynchronized with evolution.

02:16:22.000 We've broken ourselves out of it.

02:16:23.000 So, when you look at the difference between humans and animals, you have this balance in nature, to a certain extent, where there's like...

02:16:33.000 A lion runs fast to try and catch a gazelle.

02:16:35.000 The gazelle runs faster.

02:16:37.000 So if a lion is fast enough or the gazelle is too slow, then the victory goes to the lion.

02:16:42.000 This, over thousands of years, results in slight changes between the two groups, the competition.

02:16:46.000 The gazelle becomes faster to survive, the lion becomes slimmer, or the animal changes.

02:16:51.000 Humans figured out how to manipulate their environment.

02:16:53.000 So instead of evolving to become faster, they just made a bow and arrow and shot.

02:16:59.000 Yeah, throwing was such a huge evolution.

02:17:00.000 Exactly.

02:17:01.000 So, humans are outside of the evolutionary process now because our brains can manipulate the environment to such a degree.

02:17:07.000 We can control everything, and it's getting crazy!

02:17:09.000 Like, the cameras, the lights, the technology.

02:17:11.000 It's incredible.

02:17:12.000 It's amazing stuff.

02:17:13.000 Did you guys hear that the female egg actually attracts the sperm that it wants to fertilize it?

02:17:19.000 I haven't heard anything like that.

02:17:20.000 I just started hearing this, and I haven't fact-checked it, but I always thought that it was like the sperm raced for the egg and then one got there, but apparently there's like a... I have heard that.

02:17:28.000 It's like a magnetic thing or something?

02:17:30.000 Kind of interesting.

02:17:31.000 So here's a really good question.

02:17:32.000 Okay.

02:17:33.000 This is Monitor says, how about if you woke up and found out that you were attached to another human being and sharing their blood?

02:17:39.000 You know that they will survive if you wait nine months and you will be fine.

02:17:42.000 If you disconnect, they will die.

02:17:45.000 So... Is the violinist thought experiment correct?

02:17:47.000 Is that what it's referred to as?

02:17:48.000 Yes.

02:17:49.000 Oh really?

02:17:49.000 Yeah.

02:17:50.000 I'd say get off.

02:17:51.000 No, I mean, I guess I just fundamentally disagree that that's analogous to abortion.

02:17:55.000 I don't think a mother-child relationship is the same as being attached to a complete stranger.

02:17:59.000 But even so, I think I would try to stay there and not let this other stranger die.

02:18:03.000 Not that I even think that question merits an answer because I don't really see it as an equivalence.

02:18:07.000 So, does the state or does the state not require a parent whose children are born to take care of their children if they are capable of doing so? 0.72

02:18:16.000 Yes.

02:18:16.000 Does the state require that the mother provide parts of her body to that child?

02:18:21.000 No, after they're born it's a little bit different.

02:18:23.000 So this really does create the ethical challenge.

02:18:28.000 And that's why I think we as a country have tried to find compromises where we disagree, but we want to live together and we want to have these conversations.

02:18:42.000 I'm sure there's probably a bunch of leftists who are screaming about what you're saying.

02:18:45.000 I'm sure there's conservatives screaming about what I'm saying.

02:18:48.000 And so finding that point where we're both equally unhappy.

02:18:53.000 I don't want that point.

02:18:54.000 I want to save the babies.

02:18:57.000 I'm kind of pro-choice by nature, but one thing that could push people towards the pro-life side is if you gave babies social security numbers at conception.

02:19:05.000 I think psychologically people would have a much harder time killing it if they thought of it as like a citizen.

02:19:13.000 I guess that's kind of sad though if it was the case that a social security number would be doing more to uphold the dignity of a human life than the fact that we know that this is a unique individual.

02:19:22.000 When does it become a human?

02:19:23.000 When it's born or when it's conceived?

02:19:24.000 When it's conceived I think it's fertilization.

02:19:26.000 But it's a question.

02:19:26.000 It's not a question.

02:19:28.000 I think it's dishonest.

02:19:30.000 See, Tim, you're so right about this, which is why it's surprising to me.

02:19:33.000 It's a policy.

02:19:34.000 It's a libertarian thing.

02:19:36.000 It's like, to what extent can the government make you do a thing?

02:19:39.000 To the extent that you don't kill someone, I think, is the answer.

02:19:45.000 But this is the problem I see.

02:19:48.000 And we'll probably never see it eye-to-eye.

02:19:50.000 But the problem I see is, If something is attached to me, and we're making an assumption about whether it was chosen or not, I'm certainly not a fan of individuals who do it willy-nilly as conception.

02:20:01.000 That, to me, is disgusting.

02:20:02.000 Somebody who was forced into it, or I... Outside of that, because it's a really difficult ethical position, they're giving their body to someone to sustain their life.

02:20:13.000 Removing them is saying, you're on your own.

02:20:16.000 They'll die.

02:20:17.000 So, it's an issue to me and I've not taken it lightly.

02:20:22.000 I've thought about these questions and I just can't get to the point where you have a person saying, I don't want my body to, like it's my body.

02:20:30.000 It's like the only thing I have that I, you know, is me and I can control.

02:20:34.000 And there are a lot of people who often feel they have no control and this is the one thing that's theirs.

02:20:39.000 And they're being told, yeah, well, for whatever reason you're providing your body now to another entity.

02:20:44.000 I'm just like, I can't view a government right to do that.

02:20:49.000 But I'm willing to compromise and set limits, even hard limits.

02:20:53.000 But it is an inherent challenge.

02:20:55.000 I'll tell you this, man.

02:20:56.000 When I was growing up, All of the conversations I had, this is what's crazy about it, was what I'm saying right now was considered to be like the hardcore pro-choice.

02:21:05.000 The hard left position, yes.

02:21:06.000 Right, right, right, right.

02:21:07.000 And I would have arguments with, because I went to Catholic school and that's when I was older, I still had parents and friends, and we would argue about it and they would be like, oh, you're wrong.

02:21:14.000 Now what I'm saying is supposed to be the center or even a right-wing position.

02:21:18.000 Sadly, yes. 0.95

02:21:19.000 That's ridiculous to me. 0.68

02:21:20.000 So, look man, I don't have good answers, I don't. 0.71

02:21:23.000 All I know is like, it's like, Moral and ethical conundrum.

02:21:29.000 Yeah, I mean, you're right that at this intersection, you and I probably are going to have to agree to disagree, but I would just say as my last words, I believe life has to be protected at all points in time from conception until natural death.

02:21:39.000 And hopefully we'll see eye to eye on it someday.

02:21:42.000 And yeah, hopefully we'll see eye to eye on it someday.

02:21:44.000 I think late term abortions are insane when it looks like a human and it's got a beating heart and it's like seven months later.

02:21:51.000 There are certain issues.

02:21:52.000 There are certain issues.

02:21:53.000 When I was talking to my friend about this, Uh, she said that she was very pro-life, but she thought there could be exceptions for, like, Down syndrome and other things.

02:22:01.000 And I said, I said, absolutely not.

02:22:03.000 I was like, you can't tell me that, look, have you seen the video where the man with Down syndrome who lived, he's like giving a speech about how his life matters?

02:22:11.000 And it absolutely does.

02:22:12.000 I don't like that idea that you're going to be like, well, this is an undesirable baby, so this one doesn't, no, no, no, no, no, no, uh-uh.

02:22:18.000 What about a baby that would be born as a vegetable?

02:22:21.000 See, that's a different question.

02:22:22.000 Well, I don't know, because even that can be used as an argument.

02:22:25.000 My point is, if it's an argument that can be used for infanticide generally, it's probably not the best argument to be made for your case.

02:22:33.000 Or then again, maybe, because abortion is infanticide. 1.00

02:22:35.000 But I would not kill... Would you force a woman to give birth to a baby that was going to be in a bad comatose for its whole life? 0.94

02:22:41.000 Yeah, I just, I disagree with the concept of forced birth.

02:22:44.000 Birth is what happens naturally.

02:22:45.000 I don't think it would be okay for that woman to kill that child because of their disability. 1.00

02:22:49.000 I believe that human life is precious and valuable simply because it exists.

02:22:53.000 It doesn't have to exhibit the same signs of sentience that you and I do.

02:22:56.000 Every single human person is crafted by God and you don't even have to believe in God to recognize that human life is beautiful and sacred, though that is of course where I come from.

02:23:06.000 And my final point here is that there are no exceptions to the human life which needs to be respected.

02:23:13.000 My view on life being a miracle is probably very similar to how you described it with God, but mine comes from writings of... Who wrote Watchmen?

02:23:24.000 Was it Frank Miller?

02:23:25.000 Maybe.

02:23:26.000 Can you look up who wrote the Watchmen comic?

02:23:29.000 Dr. Manhattan, have you ever read this or seen the movie?

02:23:31.000 I saw the film a while ago.

02:23:33.000 When he's explaining how all of these infinitely insane things can finally converge to create this one unique individual that can't be recreated in any way.

02:23:42.000 Alan Moore?

02:23:43.000 Alan Moore, that's right.

02:23:44.000 He's got a great accent.

02:23:45.000 If I could just throw one thing out there, actually, I maybe want to issue a minor correction to what I said.

02:23:50.000 My point about not necessarily needing to be religious to see abortion as wrong or to see that human life as sacred is coming from a place of Maybe recognizing that I don't see abortion as any more of a religious issue than any other religious issue is, but then again I am sympathetic to the view that when you lose faith in God and you no longer believe in God, you will eventually stop seeing human life as sacred at some point down the line.

02:24:11.000 I think there are a lot of people that have fallen down that.

02:24:13.000 I don't know if I necessarily agree, though.

02:24:15.000 Maybe not you as an individual, but I think once a society loses it, it just gets in that direction.

02:24:18.000 I've gone down the whole life is sacred path, like Jainism.

02:24:21.000 It's extreme, like not stepping on grass because you don't want to destroy it.

02:24:25.000 Not killing the bugs on your arm.

02:24:27.000 That's extreme.

02:24:28.000 It is extreme.

02:24:29.000 And I think a lot of times the extreme religious thing, don't kill a baby ever, in the womb is also... I just disagree that that's religious necessarily.

02:24:37.000 I don't think it's extreme.

02:24:38.000 Yeah, you know, I actually don't like killing bugs.

02:24:42.000 With an exception for flies.

02:24:44.000 Because I'm just biased.

02:24:47.000 I'm insectist.

02:24:49.000 We have the bug assault thing where it's like a shotgun and it sprays salt.

02:24:52.000 That thing is cool.

02:24:53.000 I saw that.

02:24:53.000 So just a deformed baby that can't...

02:24:56.000 Where do you draw the line?

02:24:57.000 No, no.

02:24:57.000 I just, I'm kind of similar.

02:24:57.000 Where do you draw the line?

02:24:58.000 Because also these are the hard cases because oftentimes when people let me ask you if that

02:25:02.000 is not the case, are you only for abortion in that case? 0.76

02:25:05.000 Like why is this special argument being made?

02:25:07.000 No, no.

02:25:08.000 I just I'm kind of similar.

02:25:09.000 I would never want the government to force a woman into a position of burden. 0.98

02:25:13.000 Yeah.

02:25:14.000 I mean, again, I just I don't I don't view it that way.

02:25:17.000 I view it as telling someone you must provide your body and blood to another person.

02:25:21.000 Yeah, it's not anyone else's job for a woman if she needs to get... That's just how I feel.

02:25:26.000 I mean, I totally disagree, but I think we've reached an intersection where we've kind of hit the ground running.

02:25:30.000 And with that said... I mean, obviously, yeah.

02:25:33.000 So we've gone over it.

02:25:35.000 The reason I was trying to keep it short is because we're running out of disk space.

02:25:38.000 But I think we probably crashed that anyway.

02:25:40.000 So thanks for hanging out, everybody!

02:25:43.000 We just downloaded it from the web.

02:25:44.000 It's got a resolution issue.

02:25:46.000 But thanks for hanging out.

02:25:47.000 You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, of course, at Timcast.

02:25:50.000 Seamus.

02:25:51.000 At Seamus underscore Coughlin on Twitter.

02:25:53.000 That's where you can find me to yell at me.

02:25:55.000 Seamus underscore Coughlin.

02:25:57.000 Yeah, it's spelled Seamus underscore Coughlin.

02:25:59.000 Or I make cartoons on a channel called Freedom Tunes if you want to check that out.

02:26:02.000 And that's T-O-O-N-S not T-U-N-E-S.

02:26:06.000 And Ian.

02:26:06.000 Oh, Ian Crossland.

02:26:07.000 Boom.

02:26:08.000 That's my name.

02:26:09.000 You find me everywhere.

02:26:11.000 Twitter.

02:26:11.000 Oh, and me.

02:26:12.000 Sour Patchlets on Twitter.

02:26:14.000 Oh, wait.

02:26:15.000 I have a mic.

02:26:15.000 I have to pick up my mic now.

02:26:16.000 I'm sorry.

02:26:17.000 It's throwing me for a loop.

02:26:18.000 Sour Patchlets on Twitter.

02:26:19.000 Sour Patch L-Y-D-S. 0.86

02:26:20.000 Yes, correct.

02:26:21.000 And we'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.

02:26:23.000 live to have more fun discussions about stuff and whatever.

02:26:26.000 And we'll have clips out throughout the day.

02:26:28.000 So I don't know if there's anything you guys wanted to share.

02:26:30.000 Yeah, I barely got to express my view on abortion.

02:26:32.000 Sorry I came out so brutal like that.

02:26:37.000 No, obviously that's a discussion which it can be really difficult to have in a way where you don't say something that you later realize you could have put in a better way.

02:26:47.000 This is one of the few issues where there's no fence.

02:26:49.000 It is a sharp spire where you fall on one side or the other and it's really difficult to try and find that position where it's like, Oh, man.

02:26:58.000 It's tough.

02:26:59.000 It's tough.

02:27:00.000 It's a freedom-ish.

02:27:01.000 It's tough.

02:27:01.000 Thanks for hanging out, everybody!

02:27:04.000 Thanks for hanging out, and we'll be back tomorrow at 8pm live.

02:27:09.000 We'll see you then.

02:27:10.000 Thanks for bringing me back on, man.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - September 24, 2020

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