On today's show, Tim Goglin and Seamus discuss the latest in the D.J. Gooding v. Chauvin case, and how the media frames it to make it seem like the defense is winning. They also discuss Biden Day, and Clarence Thomas.
00:01:51.000I kind of feel bad making fun of them.
00:01:53.000In like a thousand years, people will put on goofy hats and then jump down the stairs while making strange noises and not understand the tradition.
00:02:08.000I've been watching the Chauvin trial, and there's something interesting that I've noticed, because I'm watching this trial, and it's definitely that there's one livestream playing, but two different versions of reality.
00:02:38.000So they made some interesting points, but there's always a counter.
00:02:40.000Now, where it gets really interesting is how the media incessantly just chooses to frame it as though Derek Chauvin is losing, and I don't believe that's the case.
00:02:50.000I think, based on what we've seen so far, acquittal is likely.
00:02:55.000But that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
00:02:56.000I don't know what the jury is thinking.
00:02:58.000And I'm seeing a lot of the same stuff the jury is, as many of you are.
00:03:01.000I could be entirely wrong, and I think it's very, very middle of the road.
00:03:06.000I'm kind of leaning towards acquittal because a lot of stuff that's come out.
00:03:08.000For instance, the doctor today who testified said that George Floyd died of hypoxia.
00:03:12.000And then even said, when asked, that fentanyl, the main reason it's dangerous is because it depresses your respiratory system, which causes hypoxia.
00:03:22.000I thought that was a very excellent point by the defense.
00:03:24.000And then the counter, I guess, is just, well, it could have been choking, I suppose.
00:03:29.000But it doesn't seem like the physical evidence to Floyd's body backs that up.
00:03:33.000What's fascinating is how the media changes the headlines of their stories to reflect an anti-Chauvin narrative, setting it up that he's going to lose and will be convicted.
00:03:43.000And then when people keep seeing the news saying like, oh, defense says this, and they testify this, and you keep hearing how awful it is, and you keep hearing how it should be Chauvin going to jail, and they omit the key evidence that defends him, Well then, what do you think people are gonna do when he gets acquitted?
00:03:57.000If he does, their expectations will be set very high.
00:04:00.000They'll say something like, I don't understand.
00:06:29.000There's no studio, it's just like a shack in the woods with Ian in it.
00:06:32.000And he imagines the studio and it just forms around him.
00:06:35.000That would be an interesting movie, actually.
00:06:39.000Anyway, my friends, we're supposed to be serious, but it's just so hard these days.
00:06:43.000It's probably good that we're joking around a bit because we're going to get real serious with this upcoming news and the consequences for it.
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00:08:32.000How about we talk about the news, my friends?
00:08:34.000sure i mean if you want if that's what you want to do i thought we could talk about our days but i was traveling most of the day i'm a little tired but no that's my feelings don't matter let's talk about they don't you know it matters facts earlier media earlier today hey earlier today my friends So I was listening to the trial live, and there was this really powerful point between the defense and the ER doctor who was treating George Floyd, trying to save his life.
00:09:01.000The defense said, you know, long story short, like, what happened?
00:10:06.000Now, it seems like the doctor still went on to say he thinks that it was, you know, he had no reason to believe it was a drug overdose.
00:10:12.000In which case, the doctor still, you know, there's a cross-examination.
00:10:15.000The prosecution comes in and says, but isn't it possible that having your knee on someone's neck could result in hypoxia, which causes the heart to stop?
00:12:30.000It's not a guarantee that he's, you know, Chauvin will be acquitted because of this.
00:12:33.000I just thought it was interesting to bring up and to also bring up that very well, like putting a knee on someone's neck could result in hypoxia.
00:12:39.000The reason why I think this is important though, is it offers a counterpoint to the narrative we've all already heard.
00:12:44.000When I try to pull up the articles, we get something entirely different.
00:12:48.000That's creepy manipulation, stealth editing that shapes the narrative.
00:13:08.000In the trial, there was an argument between the defense and the judge as to whether or not this actually mattered because Chauvin did not undergo that specific training.
00:13:16.000The argument from the defense was, if the cops are all, you know, doing this and saying this is an updated policy, then it makes sense that this might, you know, exist.
00:13:56.000And when the police chief was shown the video, get this, the police chief was shown the video, and the defense said, based on this alternate camera angle from a body camera, would you say that Chauvin, it appeared he was kneeling on Floyd's shoulder?
00:14:13.000Okay. Shouldn't these things be like, look, we all know that the narrative has been Chauvin
00:14:19.000kneeled on Floyd's neck. It's it's you know, it's bad and he's a bad cop. He was fired for it.
00:14:23.000When evidence comes out that suggests the official narrative may be wrong.
00:14:27.000Shouldn't that be the highlight for a lot of reasons?
00:14:30.000Yeah. Can humans overcome cognitive dissonance is a big question.
00:14:34.000And that's, I think, really, it's our duty to do that.
00:14:37.000When we're presented with information that violates what we thought was real, we really have to let go of what we used to think was real and look at the new information.
00:14:44.000Yeah, I mean, regardless of how you feel about this case, I haven't looked into it very deeply.
00:14:48.000I haven't done much research on it, so I can't comment one way or the other.
00:14:51.000But regardless, it's very frightening, though unsurprising, that big tech and these media companies would go through and try to suppress information that promotes a narrative that they're not comfortable with.
00:15:41.000With limited evidence put forward so far to bolster his case, that's an insane thing to write.
00:15:47.000Derek Chauvin's lead defense attorney, Eric Nelson, on Monday sought to cast doubt for jurors over one of the most prominent details of George Floyd's death, the length of time the officer had his knee on the 46-year-old black man's neck.
00:16:00.000Nelson highlighted that while it appeared Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck in the video recorded by Fraser, the knee appeared to be on Floyd's shoulder blade during the same period in the body camera footage.
00:16:11.000Asking Arradondo, would you agree that from the perspective of Officer Kong's body camera, it appeared Officer Chauvin's knee was more on Mr. Floyd's shoulder blade?
00:16:24.000Though the prosecution, which took the sand immediately after, was quick to highlight that this was one specific moment at a time when the ambulance had already arrived, and very shortly before they loaded Mr. Floyd onto the gurney.
00:16:34.000We are not looking for definitive proof of innocence.
00:16:39.000They need to prove he did it, he had the intent.
00:16:42.000If there is video footage that suggests we may be looking at the perspective wrong, and people may have incorrectly assumed that he was on the neck, that's very important.
00:16:51.000And the police chief said yes upon looking at the body camera footage.
00:16:54.000This is the police chief that fired these cops.
00:16:57.000Now, what's fascinating is Forbes framing, once again, is already anti-Chauvin.
00:17:38.000If video comes out that's shaky and it's someone yelling and you see a guy with a knee on a neck, there's so much we need to know to prove or convict someone of murder.
00:17:56.000Okay, well now there's even doubt as to whether he really had his knee on his neck.
00:17:59.000Because alternate body camera footage that we didn't see before shows, according to the police chief, Yeah, I have no idea about any of that.
00:18:33.000Kneeling on the neck, violated policy, Minneapolis Police Chief testifies.
00:18:37.000It's certainly not part of our ethics that he did get fired for it.
00:18:39.000So, while the prosecution has the administration basically throwing Chauvin under the bus, like, dude did it, there's still good points from the defense.
00:19:21.000So what happens with hypoxia is that your breathing slows so much.
00:19:25.000I remember monitoring people who had been on drugs and their respirations would get down to like six a minute, which is insane.
00:19:31.000You're supposed to be like 16 to 18 per minute.
00:19:33.000Cause you're just like, you're basically comatose.
00:19:36.000When you're on that much medicine, there's just, you're completely unaware of anything and you're not, your body's not even able to keep you.
00:19:41.000I would say, I don't know the specifics about Prince, he might have been drunk too.
00:19:44.000I mean, that, I'm sure that combo is a killer.
00:19:46.000Well, I think, you know, I went over a lot of the evidence.
00:19:50.000Like, it was, normally my main segment videos are like a half hour.
00:19:56.000Because I went through the charges, second, third degree, and I don't know if you saw this, Seamus, that there was another guy in the vehicle with George Floyd.
00:20:06.000This guy's name is Maurice Lester Hall.
00:20:55.000So I'm wondering if that... Look, that alone... I don't know if the jury can take into account the fact that a dude bailed and pleaded the fifth.
00:21:04.000I don't think it's fair to... You're not supposed to, right?
00:22:09.000And a lot of times when people will be hooping, they'll put it in a plastic baggie and then put it in their butt or something for, like, to transport it, you know.
00:22:17.000But I think also you could just put it in your mouth and swallow it without a bag, and that's also considered hooping.
00:22:28.000I don't know, I look at the media and I'm trying to better understand the story, but it's like every time I pull up a story, the headline is always, like, bad for Chauvin.
00:22:36.000But there's certainly, like, it's almost like you'd imagine the defense was doing nothing.
00:22:41.000Just literally sitting there getting yelled at the whole time.
00:22:43.000Because the headlines are always anti-Chauvin.
00:22:45.000This one, was it a Forbes article you were just reading?
00:22:57.000With him kneeling on his neck, I mean, there's a reason the entire country was immediately against him.
00:23:01.000They saw it, like, even conservative people were watching, they're like, alright, that's way too far.
00:23:05.000But there's a PowerPoint presentation brought up by the defense showing the police were trained to do that.
00:23:09.000And they called it the recovery position, and some have pointed out the reason why you move your foot off of their back is because if your weight is in their back, then their chest can't decompress and decompress.
00:23:20.000So how is it that there's a PowerPoint presentation that says they're trained to, but then the other guy says he violated training?
00:23:25.000So that was the interesting thing in the line of questioning, where the judge was basically like, I don't know exactly what the ruling was, but it was an argument over admissibility for the PowerPoint presentation, where he was like, Chauvin wasn't in the academy at the time this was being presented.
00:23:37.000And the defense was like, if they update their training policies, it's reasonable to suggest that Chauvin had heard this, or was told this, or in some way, this is part of what the police do.
00:23:49.000And it was because an officer said, no one is trained to do that, that never happens.
00:23:53.000And this is really fascinating to me, that the judge wouldn't allow it, because, by all means, say, Chauvin was never trained this.
00:23:58.000That's an important point, and it's good for the prosecution.
00:25:12.000And if they convince the jury that nine minutes is excessive, eight minutes, forty-six seconds, then definitely.
00:25:17.000And I think if he does get charged with manslaughter, a lot of people will be upset that he wasn't charged with more than that.
00:25:24.000That's why I think the problem is if the media keeps taking the headlines where it's like, Chauvin violated policy, or Chauvin did this, Chauvin did that, defense says this, it's always framing it as though you expect him to lose.
00:25:45.000I think it's just that they think people are more likely to click on the story because the story is bad for Chauvin and people don't like the guy.
00:25:53.000We all have our bias, because we all saw the video.
00:26:44.000And then every other person sees the headline, Derek Chauvin violated policy kneeling on the neck.
00:26:49.000And they're like, what are you talking about?
00:26:51.000So you guys remember like the, the golden blue dress or whatever, or like Manny and Laurel.
00:26:57.000They're creating this because someone's going to have like a cash diversion on their, they're going to have a cash diversion from the article.
00:27:27.000So now my, I'm just saying, I think we're getting to the point where, you know,
00:27:32.000we'll get close to the end of the trial.
00:27:34.000And if people only hear these headlines about the bad things about Chauvin, only hearing from the prosecution, they're going to be like, this guy's going to prison.
00:27:43.000And then they're going to say, acquitted on all charges.
00:28:15.000Riots because it wasn't charged with first-degree murder or death penalty.
00:28:18.000Chauvin gets... The space-time continuum rips asunder in the middle of the courtroom and Chauvin gets sucked into an altered reality and never to be seen again.
00:28:30.000So right now what's happening is like a bunch of Antifa are in a room and they're sitting there and the doors closed and there's like one Antifa and he's looking at his watch and he's got his hand up and then they're all like getting jitters like ready to start and then it's like okay the news came in and it's and they just burst the door right I felt like I was in DC last year, like November.
00:28:58.000There was like a March or something I went to.
00:29:00.000And at the end of the night, I was down there and you could see, I don't know if they were in Antifa or whatever, a bunch of people wearing all black, just like standing around.
00:29:31.000What's actually happening outside of that room is the character is standing there, waiting for a script to activate to start the VO line and the graphics.
00:29:39.000So they're just in a T-pose or whatever, just sitting there.
00:29:42.000And if you can go outside the walls, you'll see all the NPCs just frozen or in a T-pose.
00:29:46.000Well, it's frightening, because T-posing builds testosterone.
00:29:49.000So if Antifa's T-pose That would be a hilarious skit.
00:30:42.000I've never in my past been like, well, if global riots break out, well, whatever.
00:30:46.000It was always like, there shouldn't be riots.
00:30:49.000Listen, listen, we're entering this political cycle where, like, we're gonna be old and have kids, and, you know, it's gonna be like, oh, it's 4 o'clock, kids, everybody come inside, the riots are coming, and the news is like, the riot will be arriving today at 4.10, a few minutes late, and they just, like, rampage through town.
00:31:12.000Yeah, it said well, it said how many horrible things we've just become jaded towards like first it happened with with public shootings and massacres and and now it's with Becoming the case with riots where we're just there was just you see this video Where the Antifa guy is trying to climb the Chase Bank.
00:33:52.000Slam onto his hip, get up, and walk out waving while everyone cheered for him.
00:33:56.000So, like, so for those of you who aren't familiar with what happened there, that's, it was in the 2007, I think it was, or maybe 2006 X Games.
00:34:42.000Well, it's, it's, there's this weird thing where people have survived falls from extreme heights, but then some people will fall like literally five or six feet and they'll, they'll sever, sever their spine and die.
00:34:55.000Um, my friend, I was in the military and he was telling me about someone in his unit who was a paratrooper and his parachute did not open when he jumped out of the plane and his backup didn't open.
00:35:51.000And every time I would hit the ground, I'd slip out or I'd roll.
00:35:54.000And then finally I landed, rolled away all clean and everyone's like, oh, and they're all cheering for me.
00:35:58.000And then literally like a minute after that, some like seven year old kid was jumping up and down and frolicking with his mom, slipped on the ground in front of the ramp and broke his ankle.
00:36:08.000And that's when I was like, man, that weird.
00:36:10.000It's crazy how like I can jump off this on purpose.
00:36:56.000I was like that that vandal deserves to lay there in pain But that was like a mean part of me.
00:37:01.000I don't know the way you want to take care of your enemies as well like the We you know in in the movie the Patriot with Mel Gibson He tends to both sides after the battle and then the British, you know Because they're evil and they always will be the right counts exactly basically, you know burn his house down because they did it and I'm kidding about the Brits.
00:37:42.000It was such American propaganda, that movie.
00:37:47.000The truth is, the British Empire had power, and they were basically the state, and telling the Americans who were like, yo, leave us alone, what to do, and so conflict breaks out.
00:37:57.000But anyway, what are we talking about?
00:38:03.000So actually I'm conflicted on this too, because there's a difference between like understanding there's a conflict in a war and these people who keep doing this stuff.
00:38:24.000I'm just pointing out the difficulty here and how do you stop someone from doing something dumb like trying to climb, chase while they're screaming, get down.
00:38:31.000And then he gets hurt and we're like, who all saw that coming?
00:38:46.000We've had a bunch of conversations in the past couple of weeks where I've been like, tax the rich!
00:38:51.000Not literally, but I'm just saying, stop billionaires from influencing politics.
00:38:54.000And I get a lot of pushback, you know, like, I get pushback from, you know, Jack Murphy, Michael Malice, and they didn't agree with me on that one.
00:39:01.000But my issue is, these district attorneys, they're getting put in office through the money of these ultra-wealthy Progressive billionaire types.
00:39:10.000I don't agree with any one of these billionaires just flooding the zone with money and shutting up the opinions of the actual people who live there.
00:39:16.000But when people are just swept up with hundreds of millions of dollars in propaganda, these DAs get elected.
00:39:22.000We know that, you know, George Soros, for instance, was donating a lot to a lot of the district attorneys.
00:39:42.000Mackenzie Bezos, it is Tom Steyer, Michael Bloomberg.
00:39:45.000All of these ultra-wealthy people dump money into politics, and one of the big things we saw was that, I believe, this is really funny, like Fox News, I think Newt Gingrich was on, and he was like, you know, George Soros' foundation was helping to get these district attorneys elected.
00:39:59.000And then Fox was like, we don't say that around here.
00:40:02.000And then people were like, that's a fact.
00:40:07.000Look, the point is, I don't like the billionaires.
00:40:09.000The millionaires and the billionaires doing this.
00:40:11.000Because then listen, these people do dumb things, they get arrested, and the newly elected DA who's very progressive goes, you're free to go.
00:43:08.000Like when that when when the guy tells the story about what happened, it's very dramatic He's like in his all my muscles seized up at once in his version of it.
00:43:15.000He's like It's like a hundred feet in the air and then Jamie Dimon punched him in the face.
00:43:21.000You'll pay for this All right, there are better ways to protest the banks keep that in mind guys I Yeah, I've always maintained that damaging a window does nothing to anybody, but the people have to clean it.
00:43:38.000Do you guys see this guy suing the Federal Reserve?
00:43:46.000He's going to sue them for everything they have, and they're just going to keep printing and printing and printing, and he's going to be the wealthiest person who ever lived.
00:43:53.000Did you guys see Ryan Long's Not Antifa window repair?
00:46:49.000Yeah, maybe they're just lying, but we know for a fact that YouTube has already stated in the past they do remove likes from the White House YouTube channel.
00:47:48.000They make sure that other people can't see the content.
00:47:51.000So what happens is, because Crowder brought this up, that they'll put out a video where it's like, Joe Biden says, you know, X. And people will go, I can't believe Joe Biden said that.
00:48:04.000Maybe it's possible to adjust the algorithm so that disliking the video doesn't result in fewer people viewing it, but the audience is still able to know what the general consensus on the video is.
00:48:13.000I mean, you can have, like, Facebook has little emojis, so you can have the anger emoji, the heart emoji, the thumbs up emoji.
00:48:28.000I think this is the future for YouTube.
00:48:29.000They have five stars, and you can give the video a ranking of zero all the way at the beginning, or five stars, and each video will be somewhere along the spectrum.
00:48:52.000Honestly, I do think a like-dislike thing is more accurate than a star system, though, because someone could be like, I like this, but what someone considers four- or five-star content is gonna vary wildly between people.
00:49:05.000Two people can like something equally as much, but one person's like, this is five stars, and the other person's like, Three and a half.
00:49:11.000I saw a Yelp review once where it was like the restaurant got a three star rating out of five from someone and they were like, this is one of the best restaurants I've ever been to.
00:50:39.000But it said on the website's page, most people who come here return later.
00:50:44.000So I was like, oh, it must be a nice place.
00:50:47.000Well, it turns out people who like go to hotels to do like drug deals and other nefarious things will like go to the same hotel a bunch of times.
00:51:02.000So you can be like, what happened yesterday?
00:51:04.000And the nice thing about Steam, for instance... Because like someone gets killed at the hotel two days in a row once, and all of a sudden people don't like the place forever.
00:51:09.000That's a lot bigger of a deal than three years ago.
00:51:12.000Oh, Steam lets you see how many hours someone has played a video game before they rate it.
00:51:16.000So you can kind of get some perspective.
00:51:18.000So if you knew more about the person that was giving the rating, you might be able to tell.
00:51:21.000But then, I mean, that's more of a complex algorithm.
00:51:23.000It's funny because I was searching for other hotels and I found this place and I was like, I'm going to look at the negative reviews first just to see.
00:51:29.000And the worst review was like, the attendant was very rude to me.
00:51:35.000The main issue with like the YouTube dislike thing is that first and foremost, the White House is an official channel that produces content, not as a career, but because they're the White House.
00:53:45.000And then what YouTube hears is not, I dislike this opinion.
00:53:49.000YouTube hears this video is a bad video.
00:53:52.000So then there may be people who actually agree with that opinion and they won't be served the content.
00:53:56.000YouTube is effectively creating political silos where they force people into one or the other bubble because if you capture a liberal audience and you say, liberal opinion!
00:54:06.000All the liberals give you a thumbs up.
00:54:08.000So then YouTube's like, share it with more people!
00:54:41.000Whichever person that YouTube randomly suggests that video to, assuming they do, if their opinion is liberal, and they give you a thumbs up, then YouTube's gonna start growing your channel.
00:54:51.000If they send it to a conservative, and your opinion is liberal, your channel's crushed.
00:54:55.000In addition to that, like you said, you'll make a video, you'll say, these people got murdered and tortured, and the person will be like, thank you so much for making this video and telling me about it.
00:55:03.000That's horrible that they got murdered.
00:55:07.000That's what I was saying with Crowder.
00:55:08.000Because it's important for people to remember that the like and dislike button is not there for you to assess whether you're happy with what's being reported on.
00:55:15.000It's there to bully creators with bad opinions.
00:58:49.000Here's the thing, probably, I'm not going to say I didn't pay attention to it, maybe I did, but there were so many Trump stories that it's like, they've all just gone now.
01:00:24.000The left wanted the regulation, and with this ruling, Clarence Thomas issued this massive opinion.
01:00:30.000I mean, massive in terms of the impact it may end up having.
01:00:33.000He issued his opinion, which will have a massive impact, in my opinion, where he said that How is it that a private company like Twitter can ban the president but, you know, these courts are claiming it's a First Amendment issue?
01:00:52.000The rules for Section 230, for those that aren't familiar, basically say a web service platform can't be held responsible for the things its users say.
01:02:30.000So I'm little L Libertarian, meaning I overwhelmingly just want the individual to be protected.
01:02:35.000When a massive multinational corporation is dumping money into politics and manipulating the ability for people to speak and get their representatives elected, that's authoritarianism, and I'm not okay with that.
01:02:47.000Well, yeah, it would be one thing if it was like a totally, completely free private market, then it would make some sense to be like, no, they have to be protected and we can't break them up.
01:02:56.000There's so much state involvement already that it seems as if state involvement in the direction of helping people to express themselves instead of allowing the big tech companies to do whatever they want and be supported in that decision is probably more in line with a lot of the classically liberal principles libertarians have, agree or disagree with them.
01:03:14.000Twitter works as a service because of its ubiquity.
01:03:18.000If you broke up Twitter into, like, ten services, nobody would want to use any of these services because, like, who would you be following?
01:03:24.000Unless they were forced into the Fediverse, then it would make sense, but you can't break up Google or Twitter in the same way.
01:03:30.000You can break up Google because Google has a bunch of different companies.
01:03:32.000Like, Google search can't be broken up.
01:04:53.000GameStop, I think, announced that they had a bump in sales and that they were going to be doing a stock offering, and then a bunch of people started selling because a stock offering means the short sellers have an exit.
01:05:03.000However, the stock still isn't like 200 bucks, so... Really?
01:05:30.000So when people... The Libertarian Party responded to me on Twitter and they were like, you think the problem will be, like, it'll be made better with government involvement?
01:05:37.000And I'm like, the government involvement goes so far as saying, you can't do that.
01:05:43.000Not that they're gonna show up to Twitter's headquarters... Nationalize Twitter?
01:06:51.000But Clarence Thomas's opinion could be used in a lawsuit or as justification for regulation of these platforms through Congress.
01:06:59.000I really doubt Congress would do anything because, surprise surprise, the left is not in favor of free speech when they're enemies that are being censored.
01:07:06.000So there's potential for a lawsuit, I suppose.
01:07:09.000Under Clarence Thomas' opinion, someone could now sue and say, here's what Clarence Thomas said.
01:07:18.000I've seen a bunch of arguments, and they tend to fail for a variety of reasons, but when you sign up for Twitter, you're entering into a contract with Twitter, as well as, like, you're both in a contract.
01:07:29.000You're both parties to this agreement.
01:07:31.000Now, Twitter and most platforms say we reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason, and that basically, you know, cuts you off.
01:07:38.000But the general idea we've seen from some people is, We entered into agreement and Twitter violated that by removing me for fake reasons.
01:07:46.000The other thing, however, that I think is being overlooked by people is that Twitter should be sued for defamation and libel when someone gets banned.
01:07:54.000So, for instance, when Milo got suspended, I think they said something like he was running multiple accounts.
01:08:12.000But if that was their public statement, if they had to say that, or it was defamation, this person we're banning for no reason.
01:08:18.000What if, like, they run out of people to ban because they've just gotten rid of all their political opponents, but, like, the Twitter CEOs just, they still need blood, and so they just, like, start picking random accounts to be sacrificed every year as tribute, and they just, like, just some dude named Greg, they're just, like, tweeting his, like, he's just, like, he's just, like, tweeting benign stuff, and they're, like, your account has to go.
01:08:39.000They just, like, will randomly grab people and remove them from the platform.
01:10:36.000So I think James mentioned that there's only been, like, in the past 80 years, something like eight lawsuits that have made it past a motion to dismiss.
01:10:45.000Wait, eight lawsuits against the New York Times.
01:10:48.000There's something called anti-SLAPP, Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation.
01:10:53.000When you sue a prominent news organization or public figure, you have a, it's called an actual malice standard, meaning you had to have known what you said was false or what you wrote was false, which is almost impossible to do.
01:11:32.000Do you want to know what the best part about this lawsuit is?
01:11:35.000The defense the New York Times had to get James O'Keefe's lawsuit dismissed was that their factual news articles are actually unverifiable opinions.
01:11:54.000They basically said, when we called Project Veritas deceptive, and, you know, said these things about him, those were just our writers' unverifiable opinions and are thus not actionable.
01:12:05.000And the judge said, seems to me that if you're stating something is a factual news piece, but your reporters interject their opinions, you should be required to tell people it was an opinion piece.
01:12:17.000But wait, Tim, if it's the opposite of Fact news.
01:13:10.000So, the way the news has typically worked, and I've talked to lawyers about lawsuits, is they say, Tim, I'm sorry they smeared you, there's nothing you can do, it's an opinion.
01:13:21.000And I was like, so you mean to tell me, if someone writes an article and says like, Ian is, you know, far right or whatever, They can publish that in a news article and just say, Ian Crossland, a far-right commenter, even though there's no factual basis to that, and they're like, it's their opinion.
01:13:42.000And I'm like, how is this the way things work?
01:13:45.000Veritas sues, and the judge said, if it's a fact-based news story, stands to reason, you have to tell people if it's actually an opinion piece when you put opinions in it.
01:13:57.000So, like, if they were to say something which is objectively verifiable, so if they were to say, like, Seamus Coghlan has an IQ below 85 and I sued, well, they would win because that's actually true.
01:14:05.000But, um, if they make, so I'm curious, if they make objective comments about a person beyond far right or far left, right?
01:14:12.000Because these terms can be used any way you want to use them.
01:14:18.000So, for example, if you were to say something like that, like, this person is stupid, or something where there's a set standard, though, where you made a comment about someone's IQ but in a disparaging way, but that's something that could actually be verified.
01:14:28.000Would that be opinion, or have you sort of trespassed into the area of fact?
01:14:32.000It's actually really crazy what constitutes opinion and what constitutes fact.
01:14:37.000So saying, like, Seamus Coghlan did a backflip, you know, off Tim's deck to the ground.
01:15:33.000Yeah, so I knew that that was true with labels like extremist.
01:15:36.000I was unaware that calling someone a white supremacist is just a matter... I knew it was often times just used as an opinion and no one was really using an objective definition, but my understanding is that's an actual label.
01:16:23.000So if you go into court and say, Your Honor, he called me this and it's verifiably false, the individual will say, no, look, here's how we define it.
01:19:54.000So like, yes, practically speaking, I mean, there are facts, there are moral truths, which are objective, but we operate in a culture where many people believe many different things.
01:20:02.000And so of course there, we don't have the sort of thing like hegemonic narrative that we might have surrounding gender that we did in a time where things made a little bit more sense with respect to our sexual politics.
01:20:26.000So then how could you prove defamation based on that?
01:20:29.000So, but here's where you do get into a matter of fact.
01:20:31.000So, if you were to say, like, if a non-religious person is to say that, like, they don't believe the Pope is, you know, the successor of Peter and Christ's vicar on earth, that's one thing.
01:20:42.000But then if they were to say, like, Catholics do not teach that the Pope is Christ's vicar.
01:20:48.000Now you're talking about something that, like, we can—the first—I believe it is a fact that the Pope is Christ's vicar on earth, but if we're getting into something that everyone agrees is factual, you just look at what the Church teaches, and if you're saying the Church teaches X when it objectively teaches Y, then you are lying.
01:21:02.000And so this is something that happened, like, Joe Biden was repeatedly referred to—I've said this before on the show—but he was repeatedly referred to by the media as a practicing Catholic.
01:21:21.000But in the eyes of a non-Catholic, he does enough.
01:21:26.000And they're like, oh, it seems like he's practicing.
01:21:28.000They don't even know what the word practicing means.
01:21:29.000The word practicing Catholic means exactly, but practicing Catholic.
01:21:31.000So if they were to say like, he is a devout person or holy man, well, those
01:21:35.000are, those are more subjective, but practicing Catholic is a technical term.
01:21:39.000It's not a subjective label of identity.
01:21:41.000Now what if what if someone said in an article Ian Crossland comma who is objectively factually the Antichrist comma was seen shopping for a new pair of jeans today.
01:22:28.000And of course, the trade-off that they have to come to terms with, but won't, is that when words become so subjectively defined, they no longer carry the same weight.
01:22:40.000So for years and years and years, the word racist was thrown around like it was nothing, and then probably around the time the 2016 election came around, and this is not an original observation, other people have said this, They realized that the word racist just wasn't cutting it anymore.
01:22:53.000So you'll notice like it was right around 2017 when they started calling everyone white supremacist instead because it's a much more objective sounding term than racist and also it's one that can only apply to white people or people who are in favor of this structure of whiteness or whatever you would call it.
01:23:13.000Like oh if you agree with what Trump said or did or you promote his movement that is incitement towards violence
01:23:18.000And that's something they've sort of been doing for a long time critical
01:23:21.000Theorists have done this Oh, if you disagree with trans ideology, then you are inciting violence against trans people because hate crimes occur against them, and that's the result of the fact that you're creating a culture of hatred, etc.
01:23:32.000But it's so easy to make that argument for any group of people.
01:23:36.000For example, I could say, well, veterans have a very high suicide rate, so, you know, criticizing U.S.
01:23:40.000foreign policy probably makes a lot of them feel horrible about their experience overseas, so you're contributing to their suicide rate.
01:23:45.000You can play these same games with any group you want.
01:23:48.000So imagine a journalist emails you and they're like, hey, Seamus, we want to just get some some comments from you real quick about the story we're working on.
01:23:58.000Would you be in favor of, you know, say people pooling their resources to try and improve technology towards newer, cooler energy tech like fusion?
01:24:47.000If somebody wrote, Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes, who is a proponent of the Green New Deal, said today that blah blah blah, if you sued, they would show that clip where you said, it's the one thing I actually agree on, and the judge is gonna be like, I think a reasonable person can conclude you were joking, but you can't hold them responsible for not understanding that.
01:25:03.000You can't expect the media to be reasonable people, so we're gonna let them off the hook here.
01:25:07.000There's a possibility that they'll say a reasonable person would have understood the joke and thus they shouldn't have, but I think actually a reasonable judge would say, you can't just assume someone understands your intent.
01:25:47.000I like the real Green New Deal, not the AOC Green New Deal, which is a cult manifesto.
01:25:51.000So I actually do like the idea of infrastructure investment and new technologies.
01:25:56.000I don't like AOC's version, which is some kind of weird cult manifesto about equity and healthcare and paying people who don't want to work.
01:26:07.000So you come up with your own plan, and until then, listen.
01:26:09.000If someone writes a story about you saying you support the Green New Deal, and they see a clip from a movie of you saying it, You can't prove actual malice because they'll say look I
01:26:20.000realize after the fact he doesn't but at the time I genuinely thought it was true based on what I what if you
01:26:25.000kill someone a movie and they say a known murderer We're actually not that far from that happening though is
01:26:31.000the problem What about, um... Actual malice standard!
01:26:44.000My understanding is, the challenge is proving actual malice.
01:26:48.000Meaning, if Ian says Seamus did something, Seamus has to prove Ian knew beforehand what he was saying was false.
01:26:55.000If someone says, here's the clip we saw of Seamus shooting a rocket launcher into a building full of nuns, then people would be like, well, a reasonable person might conclude that didn't happen.
01:27:06.000But can we now say, Tim Pool, who falsely accused Seamus of shooting a rocket launcher into a group of nuns earlier this week, he calls himself a journalist and he spread this fake news.
01:29:47.000But, okay, but what if the opinion is really- like what if you're listing facts and then at the end you're like, yes, this did happen, there was this scandal with the Biden administration, blah blah blah, and then at the end you're like, I enjoy grapes.
01:30:27.000Please check that out if you're watching.
01:30:28.000So I don't know if you guys know this, but Joe Biden, it's not that his brain isn't functioning well and he's not fit to be the leader of the free world.
01:30:34.000He actually has a stutter because that's how stuttering works.
01:31:18.000Hey, you made a great point about movies and how if an actor does something in a movie, it doesn't mean that they did it in real life because this is a TV show.
01:31:25.000Whether you want to, I don't know if people realize or not, we're on TV right now doing characters on a show.
01:31:29.000This is not how I am when we sit around a table and eat dinner.
01:33:19.000Like I was just kidding and sometimes people abuse that it's like you weren't kidding I but also it's hard to know because sometimes you'll make a really obvious joke people like can you believe he said that?
01:33:29.000I was joking and they're like, dude, you're falling back and it was just a joke.
01:33:54.000People are like, a lot of people are just laughing.
01:33:57.000And then I tweeted, welcome to Twitter, enjoy your stay here.
01:34:00.000So it's just, there are these people, I mentioned the hooping thing when Jack Posobiec posted the clip of George Floyd saying he was hooping.
01:34:09.000I responded with the Urban Dictionary entry for what hooping is saying, don't forget to get your hooping mug.
01:34:13.000It's a joke, the whole thing was a joke.
01:34:15.000Because Urban Dictionary says it's, you know, shoving stuff up your bum.
01:34:41.000At this point, we have a faction of people who are so unable to empathize and understand humor.
01:34:47.000How could the reckless disregard standard even hold?
01:34:50.000Yeah, so I know these fellas at this publication called The Babylon Bee, and they're very, you know, like, they're handsome, but they're very slow, and I try to explain things to them.
01:35:01.000No, they're both great, actually, but I'm not sure if you guys have heard, but Snopes has fact-checked them in the past.
01:35:09.000Then what happens is they're demoted in the algorithm because they're considered to be fake news, even though it's obvious satire.
01:35:15.000And people, I did a video on this a while ago, but They had this really bogus study where they said that some large percentage of conservatives believe that Babylon Bee headlines were factual.
01:35:26.000But the way they arrived at that number is they took Babylon Bee headlines, removed them from the context of being published by a satirical outlet, and reworded them in a way to make them sound like they were serious.
01:35:36.000So there was one headline and it was something like, The evidence against Russiagate was put there to test our faith.
01:35:44.000And it's a caricature of the creationist argument that fossils are put there to test our faith.
01:35:49.000And they reworded it to be like, this media pundit said that his faith in Russiagate is unshakable and no evidence could change his mind.
01:35:58.000It's like, okay, well, you've totally changed it.
01:36:01.000So that's where it gets really dangerous with fact-checking and the fact that people Get a lot of leniency who actual journalists will get this leniency that comedians and satirists on the right won't get.
01:36:16.000Yeah, like, the articles in question would say something like, you know, it was like, AOC stands atop her desk and proclaims her support for communism to much fanfare, then flags drop down and the Soviet anthem plays.
01:36:30.000And then they would reword it to be like, AOC announces that she's forming the Communist Party.
01:36:34.000And it's like, people would be like, oh wow, that sounds like real news.
01:36:37.000But it was like, the actual context was absurdity.
01:36:41.000They stripped out the absurdity to make it factual news that could be real.
01:36:45.000Like, Seamus Coghlan goes for a walk with a dog, when the actual article was, Seamus Coghlan walks world's giant dog, you know, clipping a big red dog.
01:36:53.000And this is funny, so I was actually just going to pull up, I wrote this, it's been probably about two years, but it's probably been about two years, so I was pulling up the script on my Google Drive, so I can pull some of the examples up, but just to verify that it was just friendly ribbing, I just got an email from Ethan, so we don't actually hate each other, as I was checking.
01:37:13.000They are, so basically they reworded, yeah so the article, it was yeah, CNN, God allowed the Mueller report to test our unshakable faith in collusion was reworded as CNN anchor Anderson Cooper said his belief that Trump colluded with Russia is unshakable, it will not change regardless of statements or evidence to the contrary.
01:37:36.000And so they published this whole study about how people are buying into fake news as if it's fact, despite the fact that this is obvious satire and basically everyone knows it.
01:37:43.000And so, yeah, it's extremely upsetting and it's totally one sided because it never happens the other way.
01:37:49.000Well, I mean, again, even actual publications, like, well, let's not call New York Times an actual publication.
01:37:54.000But people who purport to be telling the truth in a fact-based manner are given this leniency, or they are at least attempting to get the kind of leniency that satire websites on the right don't get.
01:38:04.000I would say at this point, based on the ruling from this judge, that it is a fact that the New York Times injects opinions and masquerades as factual.
01:38:13.000The New York Times masquerades as a fact-based news outlet, when in fact, it's publishing opinion pieces under the guise of fact.
01:40:47.000Yeah, I think that, I think, but it's hard because the last time I saw a picture of Bill Clinton, he looked like, neither of these men are in good shape.
01:42:20.000Listen, if you're like, the people here I believe all operate on principles.
01:42:24.000Where it's like, I don't care about which tribe it is, I care about whether it's right or wrong and we'll like, you know, make things better.
01:42:30.000And then you have some people who are just like, I wanna win!
01:42:33.000And I'm just gonna be on the side of the winner.
01:42:35.000So, they're simultaneously like, only the cops should have guns!
01:42:38.000Only the social workers should have guns too.
01:42:44.000That's the social worker thing is so funny because you would just end up creating a two-tier system which would in practice end up being way more racist because the phone calls the social workers would probably be more likely to happen in neighborhoods where you have like these Karens calling the police on everyone and they'd send social workers out.
01:42:58.000So it would be it would be areas where there's less violent crime getting a lot of the social workers and you'd create sort of like a two-tier system where impoverished neighborhoods were policed by actual cops and like wealthier neighborhoods and white neighborhoods just got these cushy social workers.
01:43:10.000Have you done a cartoon on the social workers responding to crimes?
01:44:38.000But no, he died quickly because of how harsh and brutal they were to him, and he gave up his spirit, and then they went and stabbed him.
01:44:46.000Also, one thing they would do to speed the crucifixion up, which they didn't do to Jesus, but did to the two thieves on the cross next to him, is they would break the legs too, so that they would just go down and then suffocate.
01:44:55.000Because when you're crucified, You have to prop yourself up to get oxygen into your lungs, and so you will die of asphyxiation once you get weak enough to just hang there, which is, you know, that's going beyond the unbelievably excruciating pain you're in.
01:45:11.000And yeah, they would just come up and crack people's legs if they wanted to speed the process up, so they couldn't prop themselves up and get air.
01:45:16.000It was prophesied they wouldn't break any bones.
01:45:18.000Exactly, they wouldn't break any bones.
01:45:19.000But they did pierce him through his heart, and yeah, water and blood came out.
01:46:16.000How about LEO YouTubers, law enforcement officer YouTubers, like Donut Operator, Officer 401, Angry Cops, or Mike the Cop, an experienced POV for LEO and some good input on cops among all this LEO tension and misconception as an excellent idea.
01:47:23.000All right, Crimson7 says, you guys are awesome.
01:47:25.000Thanks for helping me get to know the lies and truths spread by media.
01:47:28.000If the other people like me want to talk political and culture, I have a Twitch at Crimson27 where I like to talk about ideas normally on around 11 p.m.
01:57:30.000Oh boy, I hope you bring Donkey Kong up.
01:57:32.000Where you jump up with a spray gun and you're spraying Donkey Kong's butt and he's like climbing up towards beehives and like he's knocking bees down at you.
01:57:38.000I don't know what you're talking about.
01:58:22.000I can't remember who I asked, but I was like, I think it's on the show, would you recommend enlisting or going to college and getting a degree?
01:58:27.000And they're like, get your degree first, you know?
01:58:46.000Daniel Bundrick says, the ironic thing about the knee being on Floyd's shoulder blade is that it would suppress breathing more than it were if it were on his neck, since no pressure is on the lungs, especially in the case of fentanyl overdose, where respiratory suppression is common.
02:00:42.000You see what he sent out the other day where he's like, you know, Happy Easter to everybody, even the crazy radical left that's trying to destroy the country or whatever?
02:02:00.000And then we're going to make an app where you should be able to play things with the phone off.
02:02:05.000You can turn it on, press play, and put it in your pocket.
02:02:09.000I don't think you can do it with the website unless you have a browser or something.
02:02:12.000I don't know if we can do it through a website.
02:02:14.000But you should be able to do it with the app once we get the app going.
02:02:17.000You know, look, the website was, I don't want to say it was delayed a little bit.
02:02:21.000We were optimistic, but we decided to be less optimistic in terms of launch because we have to make sure all the members port over properly and then nobody gets an issue with logins.
02:02:30.000Assume that when something's getting developed, it's going to take three times longer, three to four times longer than you expect.
02:02:36.000I know that's a little extreme, but with modern tech, if you're up against these big guys, Uh, three to four times longer.
02:03:47.000Every time I need a voice, I hit him up.
02:03:48.000He's really busy, so sometimes it's hard to get a hold of him, but he's usually pretty cool about doing things when we're able to sync up.
02:03:56.000Yeah, I would love to just... Because the thing is, like, he and I, when we collaborate, it's never like this planned thing where we're like, we need to collab on something.
02:04:02.000It's usually I'm just like, I have a cartoon, which I would like a voice for.
02:04:17.000I remember I wrote that script and I was like happy with the script, but then I was looking back and I was like, ah, maybe it's not that great.
02:04:23.000But when I got his audio for it, I was like, this is so funny.
02:04:26.000Like his delivery just makes it every time I've ever had him do a voice.
02:04:49.000All right, let's just do, uh, we'll do one more.
02:04:51.000Alexander Skrpeci says, in my department, we were trained to put the leg-knee across one shoulder blade on a downward angle so not to damage the spine at the neck.
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