Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Mike Lindell LOSES Motion To Dismiss Dominion Lawsuit w-Will Chamberlain

00:00:00.000 I'm going to be doing a lot of stuff.

00:00:16.000 boys and girls and the It is I, Seamus Coghlan of ShimCast IRL.

00:00:19.000 We have a very special show for you today with a very special guest.

00:00:22.000 We're going to be talking about Rand Paul being kicked off of YouTube.

00:00:25.000 We're going to be talking about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines decreasing.

00:00:30.000 We're also going to be talking about a judge who ruled against Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell in their effort to dismiss the defamation lawsuit brought about by Dominion.

00:00:40.000 So with me, we have Timothy Cast, my good friend.

00:00:45.000 Thanks for having me, Seamus.

00:00:46.000 Of course, I'm happy to.

00:00:47.000 I'm happy to.

00:00:48.000 I warned him.

00:00:49.000 I said, if I get a suit, it's going to become my podcast and YouTube's going to rename it.

00:00:53.000 This has been, it's a dream come true.

00:00:56.000 I am incredibly honored that you'd have me on ShimCast.yrl.

00:00:59.000 I'm a huge fan, by the way.

00:01:00.000 Thank you.

00:01:00.000 And I just think that this will be my big break.

00:01:04.000 People will start to recognize my hard work.

00:01:06.000 I hope so.

00:01:06.000 Maybe I could launch something like ShimCast.

00:01:08.000 If you wanted to start your own YouTube channel someday, I wouldn't even spend that much time discouraging you.

00:01:13.000 A little bit of time.

00:01:15.000 A little bit, just to see what you're made of.

00:01:18.000 If you don't fight back against it, then it probably isn't for you.

00:01:20.000 But yeah, I think you've got a bright future.

00:01:22.000 Thank you, Seamus.

00:01:23.000 You're welcome.

00:01:24.000 You're welcome.

00:01:25.000 We've got pushing the buttons.

00:01:27.000 We have Lydia, who by the way, now that it is my podcast, absolutely.

00:01:32.000 I mean, being respectful to Lydia is gone.

00:01:34.000 That's out the window.

00:01:35.000 That's actually really good to know.

00:01:36.000 It's going to be as rude as possible.

00:01:37.000 I appreciate knowing that upfront, Seamus.

00:01:38.000 Thank you.

00:01:39.000 As well as Ian.

00:01:40.000 It's been a whirlwind for me from Tim to Shim.

00:01:43.000 Yeah, I know.

00:01:44.000 Well, you're under the Shim cast regime now. 0.92

00:01:46.000 Things are changing.

00:01:47.000 Well, it's hot.

00:01:49.000 It's hotter than normal, actually.

00:01:50.000 Why am I wearing this sweater?

00:01:52.000 You know what?

00:01:52.000 Instead of Ian, we're going to have Will on.

00:01:54.000 We're going to be bringing Will Chamberlain on.

00:01:56.000 Oh, Will Chamberlain.

00:01:57.000 Me?

00:01:57.000 Yes, you.

00:01:58.000 Am I on the show today?

00:01:59.000 Yes, you're on the show.

00:02:01.000 Oh, good.

00:02:02.000 Yeah.

00:02:02.000 No, happy to have you.

00:02:03.000 Thank you for coming on to my podcast.

00:02:05.000 I guess there is a reason I put the headphones on.

00:02:06.000 Alright, fine.

00:02:07.000 Let's do this.

00:02:08.000 What are we talking about?

00:02:08.000 Glad to have you here.

00:02:11.000 No, this is not, no, absolutely not, Ian.

00:02:13.000 This is why you were fired.

00:02:14.000 This is ShimCast IRL.

00:02:15.000 We're going to be talking about a judge ruling against Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell.

00:02:20.000 This is our first topic there.

00:02:22.000 Don't look at me, it's your show!

00:02:26.000 You got this, David.

00:02:28.000 You're doing great.

00:02:28.000 great so so uh will in your legal opinion all that we didn't give up we

00:02:33.000 didn't get we didn't get to the promos we doing what are you talking about

00:02:36.000 what for we get started I'm shim cast I said there's no promos today all right

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00:03:12.000 We're gonna be talking about a lot of stuff.

00:03:14.000 The big story we have right now, because obviously many people have been following Mike Lindell's cyber symposium.

00:03:19.000 We have a development in the Dominion-Mike Lindell saga, which I find to be quite interesting.

00:03:26.000 We have a story from Business Insider.

00:03:28.000 A federal judge denied motions from Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Lindell to dismiss Dominion's lawsuits against them.

00:03:36.000 It's from just about an hour ago.

00:03:38.000 And as many of you may be knowing, Mike Lindell's cyber symposium is currently ongoing, where they have a bunch of speakers, a bunch of experts.

00:03:45.000 Mike Lindell's offered $5 million to anyone who can prove that his data isn't the actual voter data, and they're going through screenshots, they've got hash data and stuff.

00:03:55.000 I gotta be honest.

00:03:57.000 One of the most challenging things for a regular person is trying to understand what it is they're presenting because a lot of it is, you'll see IP addresses, you'll see networking details, you'll see hash codes, and you're gonna be like, I don't know what those things mean.

00:04:12.000 And that can be, well, in my opinion, it can probably lead people to make false assumptions.

00:04:18.000 So look, they're still doing their symposium.

00:04:20.000 I'll let Mike Lindell do a symposium.

00:04:23.000 I won't make judgments.

00:04:24.000 I will wait and see, but I gotta be honest, I am not confident at all, and I'll tell you why.

00:04:28.000 A federal judge denied motions from Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Lindell to dismiss.

00:04:33.000 Okay, well, hold on a minute.

00:04:35.000 Back when Dominion announced they were suing Mike Lindell, he actually came out and said he was, quote, very happy to hear that Dominion had sued him.

00:04:41.000 Quote, now I can get to the evidence faster.

00:04:44.000 It's going to be amazing, he said, yet that he plans to continue releasing more movies, more documentaries about alleged election fraud.

00:04:50.000 My issue there is if he was really happy.

00:04:53.000 That he was being sued because that would give him the ability to enter discovery against Dominion.

00:04:58.000 Why would he try to dismiss that lawsuit?

00:05:01.000 So look, I think I favor the audits.

00:05:05.000 I favor bolstering confidence in our election systems.

00:05:10.000 And the mainstream media says that everything Mike Lindell is doing is not doing that.

00:05:13.000 But the problem is you already have people who don't have confidence in it.

00:05:16.000 So, I think in order to restore confidence, you need to give people the investigations, you need to say, look, when you're subpoenaed, here's the data, and just go through the motions.

00:05:24.000 Because this country is horribly, horribly divided.

00:05:27.000 But I gotta say, in this story, uh, you know, as you probably guys, uh, you know from the intros that Seamus tried doing.

00:05:35.000 That I did do until you stole it from me.

00:05:37.000 They're still watching him cast!

00:05:39.000 Will's a lawyer, and you brought up some statements from the judge.

00:05:42.000 I don't know if you wanted to read them.

00:05:44.000 Yeah, let me pull up the tweets.

00:05:45.000 I did tweet them out.

00:05:49.000 Yeah, I pulled it up.

00:05:55.000 So this is portions of the ruling on the motion to dismiss.

00:05:59.000 It's like a 35-page ruling.

00:06:02.000 But this is making fun of one of the experts that Powell and Lindell were relying on in their lawsuit to explain why they were justified in bringing this, that they were being authentic, etc.

00:06:14.000 They said that this expert has, quote, been ordered to pay more than $25,000 after finding that the expert violated consumer protection laws by misspending money she raised.

00:06:23.000 And then the judge goes on to say, quote, that expert has also publicly claimed that George Soros, President George H. W. Bush's father, the Muslim Brotherhood, and leftists helped form the Deep State in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, which would have been a remarkable feat for Soros, who was born in 1930.

00:06:39.000 Look, it may seem like, oh, that's like, whatever, a cute joke.

00:06:43.000 Federal judges don't tell jokes in their opinions, and if they're telling jokes that you are

00:06:46.000 the butt of, that's like terrible. 0.74

00:06:48.000 That's not good. 0.93

00:06:50.000 There's another instance where, let's see if I can find the next particular nasty quotation.

00:06:55.000 But isn't it bad for a judge to be joking in this way and making, you know what I mean?

00:07:00.000 It's weird, but it's also kind of the nature of the arguments that he would inevitably 0.94

00:07:05.000 be saying some things that are kind of ridiculous.

00:07:07.000 So basically, a defamation claim, you have to prove actual malice.

00:07:11.000 That's one of the things you have to prove under New York Times v. Sullivan, that someone either knowingly lied or showed a reckless disregard for the truth.

00:07:16.000 I think we're actually all pretty familiar with that now because defamation comes up a lot in modern internet culture.

00:07:23.000 So in order, one of the ways that Dominion is alleging actual malice on the part of Powell and Lindell is they're saying no reasonable person could believe these things.

00:07:34.000 So assuming they are reasonable, they're clearly reckless in making these statements.

00:07:39.000 Like their statements are so outlandish that you have to be reckless to make them.

00:07:42.000 I do take issue with that though.

00:07:44.000 I mean, sometimes crazy things turn out to be true.

00:07:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:48.000 That's why my attitude on this is like, look, if somebody comes out and they're like, I'm going to spend millions of dollars on a cyber symposium and hire all those people and offer up $5 million.

00:07:56.000 I'm like, all right.

00:07:57.000 I mean, if he loses $5 million, well, then he put up $5 million and he lost it.

00:08:01.000 You know, but, like, here's the point from Dominion.

00:08:03.000 I mean, obviously it shouldn't be criminal, right?

00:08:05.000 Like, you know, this is a free country.

00:08:07.000 But we still have defamation laws in this country.

00:08:08.000 Oh, no, right, right, right.

00:08:09.000 For defamation, I understand that.

00:08:10.000 I'm just saying in terms of, like, the general environment when it comes to, you know, the media's approach or the judge saying no reasonable person could believe these things, I think the judge should be, like, Present your evidence.

00:08:22.000 Now here's the problem.

00:08:24.000 Mike Lindell had an opportunity with this lawsuit to present evidence proving that his statements were in fact true.

00:08:29.000 Therefore, it was not defamation.

00:08:31.000 Instead, tried to get it dismissed.

00:08:33.000 Well, I mean, I think he did also—one of his own arguments was also that what I said was true, and he now will get that opportunity.

00:08:39.000 Like, we're going to Discovery.

00:08:41.000 Like, he'll be deposed, and there'll be immense amounts of Discovery on both sides, right?

00:08:46.000 Certainly Lindell will be able to go to Dominion and try and get information out of them that proves Lindell's claims, but Dominion will be able to go Lindell and demand his factual basis and every bit of his facts for saying otherwise.

00:08:58.000 I've read a lot about the allegations, the anomalies, the states.

00:09:05.000 Admittedly, I think there's some things that should be investigated, absolutely.

00:09:09.000 There's a video of a woman, and she puts the ballots in multiple times.

00:09:12.000 But the problem is, that in and of itself isn't enough evidence to prove anything.

00:09:16.000 But I do think it's like, okay, we'll do an audit.

00:09:19.000 I think that's fair.

00:09:20.000 If you've got half the country and half the country pitted against each other to the point where there's violence in the streets, it's like, Let's just calm down and sort this thing through.

00:09:27.000 And if you're confident that everything was perfect and the most secure, as I think the DHS said, then let's give the people the opportunity to feel confident and secure in this.

00:09:38.000 Agreed.

00:09:38.000 And election integrity should be like Caesar's wife, right?

00:09:40.000 Beyond reproach.

00:09:42.000 I mean, in Israel, there are so many different measures.

00:09:45.000 Like, you are videotaped going into a voting booth.

00:09:48.000 You put your fingerprint on it.

00:09:50.000 I mean, there's so many different things that mean that you physically have to show up Absentee ballots are disfavored, etc.

00:09:56.000 Say the line, Ian.

00:09:59.000 Graphene DMT.

00:10:00.000 Wait, where are we going?

00:10:01.000 Free the code!

00:10:02.000 This is exactly what I'm thinking.

00:10:03.000 Now, this is a little bit different than what we're talking about, the Lindell situation, but the fact that they're tallying votes in private with proprietary software code, I believe, is the scandal.

00:10:12.000 That's, I agree, and that actually lends itself back to the defamation suit, which is really interesting, because Dominion was damaged by this.

00:10:20.000 Substantially.

00:10:21.000 I'm telling you right now, I don't care.

00:10:25.000 In regards to moving forward with our elections, because obviously I care if there was impropriety.

00:10:30.000 Personally, I think a lot of people are incorrect in their assumptions about what happened, and I think I keep hearing these things like, oh March 3rd, March 5th,

00:10:37.000 March 11th, oh April 4th, like they keep saying people still believe that Trump is

00:10:41.000 going to be reinstated.

00:10:42.000 I'm like, guys, we had Bannon on the show.

00:10:45.000 Bannon said he believes a lot of the stuff.

00:10:47.000 I pushed back.

00:10:48.000 I don't.

00:10:49.000 I think that we saw the article from Time magazine.

00:10:52.000 We saw voting in the park.

00:10:53.000 We saw the Republicans in Pennsylvania violate the Constitution, at least according to a lower court judge, for universal mail-in voting.

00:11:00.000 You've got California now.

00:11:01.000 People are pointing out, is it going to allow you to print ballots at home?

00:11:04.000 I think people need to realize voter integrity is the big issue.

00:11:07.000 Now, certainly I'm all for investigations, whatever.

00:11:10.000 But when it comes to Dominion, what I'm seeing, looking to the future, you know, I look forward to seeing whatever it is the experts in the symposium end up with, but, you know, I digress.

00:11:18.000 In the future, we can't use Dominion.

00:11:21.000 And it's not even about the allegations.

00:11:23.000 What Mike Lindell has done is brought to the forefront a very serious issue.

00:11:27.000 I think Mike Lindell, absolutely, with his claims, and feel free to say the dude's out of his mind, we now have to answer one question.

00:11:38.000 Why are we using proprietary, unseen software code in our public elections?

00:11:46.000 I just, I can't accept that.

00:11:48.000 And if it wasn't for this news cycle, Mike Lindell and the Symposium and all this stuff, we wouldn't even be talking about the fact that we have a company with proprietary code that we can't actually see.

00:12:00.000 Right, well, if that's all that was causing Dominion's damages, actually, Lindell and Powell and whoever would be in much better shape because they would be able to say that it's actually truthful claims, right, that would have caused the damages.

00:12:12.000 The problem here is that what's alleged in the complaint, I mean, and I don't know exactly the extent of what Lindell said, but I don't think that Dominion's lawyers would go out there and falsify quotations from Lindell.

00:12:23.000 I think they could go into the record and find them.

00:12:25.000 It's the kind of thing you'd get caught on and really...

00:12:27.000 slap down for professional ethics.

00:12:29.000 So, the Clinton, you know.

00:12:31.000 When Mike Lindell released some like hash code data and then the media came out and

00:12:38.000 said, you know, I think it was CNN, they were like, we had 30 experts or like 15 experts

00:12:42.000 look at this, who said it was nothing.

00:12:44.000 The reality is, even before CNN did it, I actually hit up one of my hacker buddies and

00:12:48.000 asked them what they thought of it and they were like, we don't see anything here.

00:12:51.000 It's data.

00:12:53.000 It's not proving anything happened.

00:12:55.000 And then Mike Lindell came out and said, oh, that's just to show we have the data.

00:12:59.000 And so for me, it's kind of been really difficult to track now for, what are we going on?

00:13:03.000 We're going on almost a year.

00:13:04.000 Of all of the claims and accusations that keep changing, that keep evolving.

00:13:08.000 I'll admit, I think there are things that were anomalous, that definitely give me pause that we should look into.

00:13:14.000 But I've just been sitting here waiting, like, with every guest we've had on the show talking about this, and I won't call every single person, but even people like Bannon, I'm just like, please show me something.

00:13:24.000 Anything.

00:13:25.000 And it's always like, well, there was an anomaly here, and I'm like, I get that.

00:13:28.000 But saying, like, a man walked through a dark alley at midnight doesn't prove he robbed the bank, you know what I mean?

00:13:34.000 Yeah, there's like a lot of, it feels very like kind of, there's a lot of obfuscating going on.

00:13:39.000 Like they're trying to like, and then also extrapolate, you know, aggressive extrapolation.

00:13:44.000 And I mean, I'm speaking as someone who, again, I recorded the video of the poll watcher being kicked out of Philadelphia, of a polling station in Philadelphia that went viral on election day.

00:13:52.000 Like, I mean, you're not talking to a person who thinks these elections are pristine or that there's some, there aren't some serious problems.

00:13:58.000 But the stuff that they've been saying, I mean, I remember, you know, when Sidney Powell originally alleged stuff like Venezuela and Russia cooperated to rig our election.

00:14:06.000 Remember the German servers and the shootout with the CIA in Germany or whatever?

00:14:10.000 It's just like, come on, man.

00:14:11.000 I didn't even remember any of that.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, can you lay out some of the specific claims they've made that seem,

00:14:16.000 I mean, I don't wanna like, I don't have it in front of me, so I have to remember it,

00:14:20.000 but there was a press conference where it was, and it was like a Trump campaign press conference

00:14:24.000 with Giuliani, Jen Ellis, and Sidney Powell, I think, and maybe one or two other people,

00:14:30.000 but I know Sidney, those three spoke, and Sidney was the one who just out of nowhere

00:14:34.000 started making allegations about the foreign actors colluding to like rig the election.

00:14:41.000 And I remember thinking at the time, And I was like, wow, that's an aggressive claim.

00:14:43.000 I wonder what she's got to back that up.

00:14:44.000 And it turned out we haven't seen anything substantive to back that up.

00:14:49.000 There's weird business connections, weird international individuals and business people and all that stuff.

00:14:55.000 But the challenge is, and I think this is important for any for the people who genuinely believe all of these claims and think Trump is going to be reinstated.

00:15:03.000 You go to a regular person who doesn't pay attention to the news and you tell them these things and they're going to walk out the door in two seconds.

00:15:10.000 Well, and also this reinstatement thing.

00:15:12.000 I mean, the reinstatement claim, like, even if everything Powell and Trump and Lindell are saying is true, that doesn't lead to Trump being reinstated.

00:15:19.000 Right.

00:15:20.000 Because there's a process.

00:15:21.000 The only way, you know, to remove a president, in turn you have to impeach him.

00:15:25.000 The vice president takes power.

00:15:27.000 Are you going to then impeach the vice president?

00:15:28.000 I guess their plan is to have Trump run for house and then hopefully make him speaker of the house and then somehow get him in the line of succession.

00:15:35.000 But not on August 15th.

00:15:35.000 For the future, you know, dominoes of impeachment to fall.

00:15:38.000 But like, yeah, that's, that's, you know, a year and a half from now.

00:15:41.000 He's, you know, do we need, is there going to be a congressman who dies and then Trump is appointed as like a special election?

00:15:47.000 Then he becomes speaker even though we don't have a majority in the house?

00:15:51.000 Check this out, check this out.

00:15:52.000 We got another story I want to jump to.

00:15:53.000 Sure.

00:15:54.000 Nearly a third of Republicans still believe Trump will be reinstated this year in poll released two days before Conspiracy theorists predicted it would happen.

00:16:02.000 Yeah, I can I can hear your reaction.

00:16:05.000 I They believe that I think in and what by in four days was it the 15th?

00:16:11.000 No, no.

00:16:11.000 Okay.

00:16:11.000 I'll say I guess that it's the 13th I don't know when they think Trump is gonna be brought back.

00:16:16.000 But why I'll put it this way man.

00:16:18.000 I All of these claims require tremendous leaps of faith about what's happening with the government.

00:16:26.000 And even if you believed everything, all the impropriety and all the accusations and all the conspiracies, you would have to then believe that there is an element of the government that is going to remove the current administration to allow a path for Trump to come back in and be reinstated somehow.

00:16:43.000 And I'm just thinking like, To get from point A to where everyone is at with this reinstatement thing, it's like going from A to Z. Like, you gotta go A, B, C, D, you gotta go each and every step.

00:16:56.000 And that is such a tremendous leap, I just don't understand how people can believe that's gonna happen.

00:17:00.000 I mean, it's scary.

00:17:02.000 And I think the people who are promulgating that are really either completely out of their depth, Right?

00:17:11.000 And that's the most generous interpretation of it.

00:17:13.000 The other one is really malicious, where it's just like they're grifting, right?

00:17:17.000 They're lying to persuade people to continue to give them money.

00:17:21.000 I'll tell you this, is it possible that Donald Trump is reinstated as president?

00:17:28.000 Oh, it's physically possible.

00:17:29.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:17:29.000 It's in the realm of this existence.

00:17:31.000 It's not like I'm saying he's going to grow wings and fly to the moon or anything like that, but it's just like, I would rather buy a lottery ticket.

00:17:37.000 You know, like the likelihood is just astronomical.

00:17:40.000 I, I, I'm a bit, I suppose the right word would be flabbergasted by people who would be willing to believe something so Tremendous could and would occur because the amount of things that would have to happen for that process to play out is astronomical.

00:17:58.000 Astronomical.

00:17:59.000 Yeah, you could prove that he cheated.

00:18:00.000 You could prove that Biden knowingly cheated, right?

00:18:03.000 And the thing is, like, it would be like the Democrats thinking that they could prove... You're saying hypothetically.

00:18:07.000 Hypothetically, right?

00:18:08.000 Yes.

00:18:08.000 Because otherwise it sounds like you're saying... No, no, no, no, no.

00:18:11.000 I am saying the hypothetical world, you know, the hypothetical world where even this, that Biden would be impeached over this stuff is a hypothetical world Biden literally knew about everything.

00:18:20.000 I mean, it's a preposterous notion.

00:18:22.000 Again, I do not believe that.

00:18:24.000 It's hypothetical.

00:18:26.000 But even if you got there, like, it would be equivalent to Democrats in 2016 saying, well, if we prove Trump won the election, like, colluded with Russia to win the election, then Hillary will be president, right?

00:18:36.000 And you'd be like, no.

00:18:36.000 Exactly, dude.

00:18:38.000 You know what blew my mind?

00:18:39.000 Because I was watching the symposium and they play this video.

00:18:42.000 Because I'm not somebody who's going to be like, I won't watch that.

00:18:46.000 No, I watched a lot of it.

00:18:47.000 I obviously can't watch all because I'm working.

00:18:49.000 But they claim that NASA's involved with elements in China and the deep state and stuff.

00:18:55.000 And I'm like, OK, OK, slow down there.

00:18:58.000 You cannot open your presentation by telling regular people who don't know what's going on that NASA is involved in some kind of plot because you lose people, man.

00:19:08.000 I'm sorry.

00:19:09.000 It's out there.

00:19:11.000 Did they mean the NSA?

00:19:12.000 I'm trying to figure out a way to interpret that generously.

00:19:14.000 Interesting.

00:19:15.000 NASA, the poorly-funded organization that literally had to give up the space shuttle because they didn't have enough cash.

00:19:23.000 Don't you understand, Will, that behind the scenes—that's a front!

00:19:26.000 Everybody knows that NASA's actually the Illuminati.

00:19:31.000 Right, well, they decided to actually stop going to space and start, like, secretly plotting coups against the elected government.

00:19:36.000 I should mention, I was curious about this number that you brought up, that a third of Republicans believe that Trump will be reinstated this year, so I just went and took a look at the data that they pulled this from.

00:19:45.000 So the question they asked was, how likely do you think it is that former President Donald Trump will be reinstated as U.S.

00:19:52.000 President this year, if at all?

00:19:54.000 And out of 2,000 people surveyed, I think the percentage was 10% saying very likely, 9% saying somewhat likely, and then 13% saying not very likely, then not very likely at all, or don't know, or no opinion.

00:20:06.000 So it's not that a third believe he will be, it's that a total of a third lean towards maybe.

00:20:12.000 Yeah, or that it's possible.

00:20:13.000 Yeah, because not very likely doesn't sound like that person is saying, I think Trump is going to be reinstated within this year.

00:20:19.000 So people think 10% says very likely, and then what's the next percentage?

00:20:22.000 Let me pull this back up.

00:20:25.000 I just lost this, my apologies.

00:20:26.000 10% of Republicans or 10% of the public?

00:20:27.000 Oh yeah, actually, let me double check.

00:20:31.000 It looks as if the survey is only surveying Republicans, but let me take a moment to double check. 0.87

00:20:34.000 And I'll clarify this too, because this was a garbage headline from Daily Mail.

00:20:38.000 They go on to say 29% of Republicans believe Trump could be reinstated. 0.55

00:20:43.000 Now, actually, that's actually, that's correct.

00:20:47.000 Trump could be reinstated.

00:20:48.000 In the abstract, following the sort of path I laid out where he becomes a Speaker of the House.

00:20:53.000 Reinstate isn't the right word.

00:20:54.000 No, no, no.

00:20:55.000 Could Trump be reinstated?

00:20:56.000 No.

00:20:57.000 Well, no, no, no.

00:20:58.000 It is physically possible.

00:21:02.000 In this world, for a Rube Goldberg-like political operation to occur in which Trump becomes speaker because Nancy Pelosi steps down, and then there's a snap emergency election where they're like, we're gonna vote for Trump, and for some reason, progressives protest and say, we'll vote for Trump too.

00:21:17.000 It will never happen.

00:21:18.000 But the point I'm making is that It might be a .0000000001 chance it could happen, right?

00:21:24.000 So it's depending on how you play the semantics of the question.

00:21:27.000 I was saying that it wouldn't be a reinstatement in that case.

00:21:30.000 It would be like he would be the Speaker of the House that then is elevated.

00:21:34.000 Yeah, he succeeded to the presidency.

00:21:36.000 A succession.

00:21:36.000 Would he be then succeeded again?

00:21:38.000 Succeeded.

00:21:39.000 But I just want...

00:21:40.000 Yeah, I got it.

00:21:42.000 I want everybody listening to just imagine something right now.

00:21:45.000 Okay, just imagine this.

00:21:46.000 First, I want to say I do not believe, I genuinely mean this, I have looked at a lot of the anomalies and a lot of the data.

00:21:52.000 I believe there should be an investigation.

00:21:53.000 I believe there should be audits.

00:21:55.000 I think we need that to build confidence back for the American people and to help kind of resolve this extreme divide.

00:22:02.000 But I want you to imagine something.

00:22:04.000 It's August 14th.

00:22:05.000 The Cyber Symposium has ended.

00:22:07.000 At the very end of the symposium, Mike Lindell stands up, without saying a word, and presses enter on a keyboard, and documents appear on the screen, and all the journalists in attendance are like, I can't believe it!

00:22:19.000 I work for the New York Times, and even I must admit, it's true!

00:22:22.000 And then they write fervently, like, wow, Mike Lindell, oh, he's correct, and then all these things.

00:22:27.000 And then, all of a sudden, Biden is, like, seen in a plane, and he's flying to China, and Kamala Harris is, like, crossing the border to Canada, and they're like, what do we do?

00:22:34.000 And then the Secret Service picks up Trump, and they drive him to the White House.

00:22:38.000 That's not gonna happen.

00:22:39.000 No.

00:22:40.000 No, it's not gonna happen.

00:22:41.000 No, it's not.

00:22:43.000 It's not ever gonna happen.

00:22:45.000 It sounds like Dominion.

00:22:46.000 It'd be a cool movie.

00:22:46.000 It'd be a really cool movie.

00:22:47.000 Yeah, it would be a great movie.

00:22:48.000 Different, we have to change the names.

00:22:50.000 It seems like... No one would know who it was about.

00:22:52.000 Right, yeah.

00:22:53.000 It'd be secret.

00:22:54.000 I don't, I don't like Joe Biden.

00:22:56.000 Okay.

00:22:56.000 Gas prices are going up.

00:22:58.000 Joe Biden comes out and says he issues a warning on gas prices.

00:23:01.000 It's his fault.

00:23:02.000 Gas prices are going up and the media is covering for him saying it's not his fault.

00:23:07.000 I just want to make sure everybody understands.

00:23:08.000 I don't like that guy.

00:23:09.000 Okay.

00:23:09.000 Yeah.

00:23:10.000 Did we talk about today how he decided his administration requested that OPEC release more oil?

00:23:16.000 Like we have oil in this country.

00:23:19.000 We had a pipeline that was going to be built that was under construction with lots of jobs already on the line.

00:23:25.000 We'll get into that in a second.

00:23:26.000 Who shut that down?

00:23:27.000 I don't know.

00:23:28.000 Probably the same guy who rigged the Dominion machines.

00:23:32.000 It seems like Dominion's getting out ahead on this one because they know, I can't say for sure, but the fact that they did stuff in secret.

00:23:39.000 It's a Canadian corporation.

00:23:40.000 Is it Canadian? 0.90

00:23:41.000 It's a Canadian.

00:23:42.000 From what I've learned, it's Canadian.

00:23:45.000 And they don't want to get busted.

00:23:47.000 They don't want to get attacked for it, so they're going on the offensive.

00:23:50.000 That's what it sounds like.

00:23:51.000 Does that make any sense to you?

00:23:52.000 Oh, I mean, I don't think that's it at all.

00:23:55.000 I think it's as simple as their billion-dollar business is decimated by what a lot of people said about them.

00:24:01.000 Because, think about it from the perspective of, if you're offering election machines, you need to have a completely unbesmirched reputation.

00:24:08.000 Otherwise, no one can hire you.

00:24:11.000 That's a good point.

00:24:11.000 Even if other people are saying things about your machines that are false, if half the country believes them, Then your business is dead.

00:24:17.000 Which means that what, you know, all the things that were said about Dominion crushed their business in a way that caused them hundreds of, likely hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.

00:24:25.000 I'll tell you this, first and foremost, I said we gotta have open source.

00:24:28.000 Either they free the code, like Ian often says, this is the one area where I agree, because we need to be able to see what those machines do.

00:24:34.000 Like, flat out.

00:24:35.000 My friend told me a story, I think, uh, my friend told me a story about some guy who got a speeding ticket from a radar gun.

00:24:40.000 Yeah.

00:24:41.000 And when he went to court, They said, you know, we've got the evidence that shows you were speeding, and then he requested the court subpoena the source code for the radar gun.

00:24:50.000 And he said to the judge, for all we know, it's a random number generator.

00:24:52.000 And the judge agreed.

00:24:53.000 The people who make the radar gun need to prove that their gun works this way and how, and show the code to the defense so the defense can understand the evidence presented against them.

00:25:03.000 I think that if we're gonna have elections, we gotta have the ability to look at the code.

00:25:08.000 That being said, Based on everything that's happened, the accusations made against Dominion, I think Dominion should be purged from every single voting system, every county, just for one reason.

00:25:21.000 Half the people in this country are skeptical, are concerned, are scared, have lost confidence.

00:25:28.000 Now that is in line with defamation.

00:25:29.000 That's bad for Dominion across the board.

00:25:33.000 I'm looking at it this way.

00:25:34.000 I want America to get better.

00:25:36.000 I want people to come together.

00:25:37.000 I want to get back to having policy arguments, not tribalist arguments.

00:25:41.000 And that means there's gotta be compromise.

00:25:43.000 And if you've got the Trump supporters saying, we do not trust this company, then we say, we'll hire a different company.

00:25:48.000 We'll make the source code open source, or we'll make it open source.

00:25:51.000 I totally agree, right?

00:25:51.000 Elections, people need to have public faith in elections, and no one company's fate or business success comes up over that.

00:25:59.000 At the same time, if that company was lied about, In a way that caused them this damage and made it so nobody could use them for an election rigging machine.

00:26:07.000 Then they have a legit defamation claim against the people who lied about them.

00:26:10.000 Look, Michael Lindell's not a poor guy.

00:26:11.000 And I think they're suing for like a billion dollars.

00:26:14.000 But they're squeezing blood out of a turnip.

00:26:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:17.000 Like, they might get something, but... I mean, they're also going after all the news companies too, right?

00:26:20.000 They're suing Fox News, Newsmax, OAN.

00:26:22.000 I mean, there's... Fox has... I mean, that's where I think they're thinking the big money is, but...

00:26:27.000 You know, they're going to go after everybody.

00:26:28.000 You know what's crazy is, first off, I'm going to say this too, I don't like Dominion voting systems.

00:26:33.000 I'm learning about proprietary code in our public elections.

00:26:37.000 I am not a fan of that.

00:26:38.000 That's bad.

00:26:40.000 As a company, I don't know.

00:26:41.000 I will say that they're both based in Canada and Colorado, so I don't know if you can call them just a Canadian company or whatever.

00:26:50.000 I don't know, man.

00:26:51.000 No, you have to free the software code.

00:26:53.000 Because you don't know that it's doing anything nefarious, but they could have secret backdoor things that say, if this vote tallies this, then flip to this.

00:27:02.000 I mean, and you just don't know.

00:27:03.000 That's the problem.

00:27:04.000 Right, right, right.

00:27:05.000 It's not even about saying that we believe there's a grand conspiracy and this company's involved.

00:27:09.000 It's about saying, we want to make sure your code works properly and that in matters of public election, we can see how... We need transparency in government, is a good way to put it.

00:27:19.000 I recognize there's confidential, there's secret, there's top secret and stuff.

00:27:22.000 We get it.

00:27:22.000 There's classified information.

00:27:23.000 But when it comes to our elections, we should be able to look at the code and be like, oh yeah, I get it.

00:27:27.000 Yeah, we don't need classified information about how our elections work.

00:27:31.000 Exactly.

00:27:31.000 That's actually completely antithetical to what elections are designed to do, which is make people... The entire point of having elections is to make the losing side agree that they lost.

00:27:40.000 Right.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, that's very true.

00:27:41.000 That's a good point.

00:27:42.000 That's so that we have peaceful transitions of power, right?

00:27:46.000 And the problem I have right now with everything that's going on with, like, Arizona and Wisconsin and stuff is that, you know, they're issuing subpoenas in Arizona and they're actually getting pushback.

00:27:54.000 It's like, just hand it over.

00:27:57.000 Like, look, I get it.

00:28:00.000 They're arguing it's a waste of time or whatever.

00:28:02.000 It's a violation of security.

00:28:03.000 And I'm like, dude, you need to convince people that you're claiming lost that they lost.

00:28:08.000 You should, with a smile on your face, be like, here's the data, man.

00:28:11.000 Have at it.

00:28:11.000 Have a good day.

00:28:12.000 Yeah, or we change the way our elections are run. 0.99

00:28:15.000 It should be to a point where it's stupid to even consider that the elections are fraudulent. 0.78

00:28:20.000 If you were in Israel and you were like, oh, that election was rigged, every Israeli would just laugh at you and be like, it's just not possible. 0.94

00:28:29.000 The measures we have in place for election integrity, what you have to do to be able to vote, what you have to do to verify that vote, the custody of the ballots, it's so... But you mean that literally, like Israel's system is super secure?

00:28:41.000 Israel's system is super secure, right?

00:28:43.000 They don't use electronic machines, right?

00:28:48.000 We don't need to use them.

00:28:49.000 That said, not using them will be bad for all these companies' businesses, but we don't need to use them.

00:28:54.000 That's one of the things one of the guys at the symposium said.

00:28:56.000 We gotta vote Amish. 1.00

00:28:58.000 No electricity.

00:28:59.000 I don't necessarily agree with that either because if you hand someone a stack of papers and then you trust them to go count it, they don't have to.

00:29:05.000 They can count it any way they want.

00:29:06.000 I would imagine a number of different people verifying that they counted it properly.

00:29:10.000 But I agree, right, that there's an advantage to the computer technology where you can have all of the data stored perpetually for everyone to look at whenever they want.

00:29:17.000 In public on a blockchain?

00:29:18.000 Or just for you to verify with like a QR code that only your account can scan and read to verify that your vote is being tallied as you set it.

00:29:26.000 And then it's kind of up to you to verify your own vote.

00:29:29.000 But at least there's a public available database where you can do that.

00:29:33.000 Let's talk about Joe Biden.

00:29:35.000 Joe Biden's husband, Joe Biden.

00:29:36.000 Joe Biden is not a good president.

00:29:38.000 What?

00:29:38.000 Come on.

00:29:39.000 Hold on.

00:29:39.000 I will not have that talk on ShimCast IRL.

00:29:42.000 Joe Biden's the greatest president we've ever had.

00:29:43.000 I got a serious question for you, Seamus.

00:29:45.000 Who was the last great president?

00:29:47.000 Oh, man, you can't ask me something like that.

00:29:49.000 Here's the thing.

00:29:49.000 Oh, Jimmy Carter, man.

00:29:51.000 Oh, come on, bro.

00:29:52.000 What are you doing?

00:29:52.000 Shim cast?

00:29:53.000 IRL?

00:29:54.000 I mean, look, I just... Andrew Johnson is the next one we're going for?

00:29:58.000 I think I've said this before.

00:30:00.000 I definitely think Trump is the best president of my lifetime in terms of the last great president.

00:30:04.000 That's a really tough question.

00:30:07.000 I don't know.

00:30:08.000 Eisenhower was pretty damn good.

00:30:09.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 I like Eisenhower a lot.

00:30:10.000 I like that guy.

00:30:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:11.000 I trusted him.

00:30:12.000 He's the one who came out and was like, the military industrial complex can destroy the country.

00:30:15.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:30:15.000 Trump said the same thing.

00:30:17.000 Yeah.

00:30:18.000 Well, let's talk about Mr. Joe Biden.

00:30:20.000 So earlier today, I did a segment, and it was probably one of the easiest segments I've ever done because I was just so grossly offended by the media.

00:30:28.000 Joe Biden came out.

00:30:29.000 I'm sorry.

00:30:30.000 The Biden administration saying alarm bells, the rising gas prices, energy prices are going to stifle the recovery and OPEC.

00:30:37.000 They need to start producing more supply so that we have cheaper gas prices.

00:30:43.000 And I said, hey, wait a minute.

00:30:45.000 Joe, that's your fault.

00:30:46.000 It is your fault gas prices are going up.

00:30:49.000 But what does the media say?

00:30:51.000 GOP pounces on claims that Joe Biden caused the prices to go up.

00:30:57.000 And then I see every fact check after fact check after fact check saying false, false, false, false, false, Republicans are lying, Republicans are lying.

00:31:02.000 And then I was like, oh boy.

00:31:05.000 First and foremost, The framing of all these fact checks was, Joe Biden shutting down Keystone XL and banning fracking on public land did not cause prices to go up.

00:31:14.000 Is that what Republicans said?

00:31:16.000 I'm not a fan of most of these guys, but one of the things I think it was Grassley who said, inflation by bad policy is causing all prices to go up, of which one of the core basic necessities for an average person is gas.

00:31:31.000 And inflation means that gas will go up as well.

00:31:33.000 Now you can argue, oh, now you're arguing semantics and just trying to save face.

00:31:37.000 Oh, it goes deeper than that.

00:31:39.000 I'm looking at all these fact checks.

00:31:40.000 My favorite is when USA Today says gas is going up not because of Biden's policies, but because of a lack of supply.

00:31:47.000 Demand is here, but supply is short.

00:31:49.000 I wonder why there's a lack of supply.

00:31:50.000 Then you get quarts saying there is no shortage of gasoline in this country.

00:31:55.000 Because they're writing about different things.

00:31:57.000 And I'm like, okay, now we're getting the semantics of what it means that there's a short supply or a shortage.

00:32:03.000 Low supply doesn't mean shortage, because low supply means it's available, but shortage means, no, okay, they're the same thing.

00:32:08.000 So you can't have the news coming out screaming, there is no shortage of gas, while they're saying prices are going up because there's a shortage of gas at the same time. 0.64

00:32:14.000 This is what the media does, and it's ridiculous.

00:32:16.000 I'll tell you this, Joe Biden is the cause of the high gas prices for, I think, what, one, two, three reasons.

00:32:21.000 First, Keystone Pipeline shutting it down.

00:32:25.000 That pipeline was not going to be transporting crude anytime soon, but the banning of fracking on federal land, on public lands, and Keystone caused speculators to publicly state that they felt this would result in a low supply in the future and high prices.

00:32:42.000 So they were buying now, driving prices up, which reaches the gas pump for you, the consumer.

00:32:47.000 Then you have inflation.

00:32:49.000 Joe Biden printing this unemployment bonus and the eviction moratorium is causing prices across the board to go up, including your gas.

00:32:56.000 And third, the labor shortage.

00:32:58.000 Because people are getting paid and they don't have to work, they're choosing not to work, and there's a shortage of truck drivers.

00:33:03.000 Gas isn't making the stations.

00:33:04.000 Gas is going up. 1.00

00:33:06.000 All of that is Joe Biden's fault, and I am sick of the media playing defense because they're too stupid. 1.00

00:33:11.000 Either they're too stupid to look at the big picture, or they're just covering for a garbage administration. 1.00

00:33:16.000 Tell us how you really feel today. 1.00

00:33:22.000 It is so insanely obvious to anybody who just reads the news all day that Joe Biden is screwing up the economy in so many different ways.

00:33:30.000 We had this jobs report come out and there were like 954,000 jobs.

00:33:34.000 It's above what we predicted.

00:33:35.000 This is great.

00:33:35.000 Everyone's clapping.

00:33:36.000 Except job openings went up as well to record levels.

00:33:40.000 10.1 million at the same time.

00:33:41.000 The projected consumer price index was going to be 5.3 for the year.

00:33:44.000 It's 5.4.

00:33:46.000 It's higher than they thought.

00:33:47.000 What's that?

00:33:47.000 It's inflation.

00:33:48.000 It's the cost of goods going up from this month to last year.

00:33:52.000 It has gone up.

00:33:54.000 Now you've got Shake Shack announcing they're increasing the price of their burgers.

00:33:56.000 Tyson says their meat's gonna be more expensive.

00:33:58.000 Pork is up, I think, 39%.

00:34:01.000 Gas is up something like 30 or so percent. 0.99

00:34:03.000 All of this is because Biden is doing a miserable and pathetic job across the board. 0.86

00:34:10.000 Speculators are driving it up because he banned these things. 0.96

00:34:12.000 Then he gives Russia the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

00:34:15.000 This dude is hurting America.

00:34:17.000 He is hurting the working class. 0.85

00:34:19.000 And the most frustrating thing is when you try to talk to these young populist leftist types, they don't understand how the economy works.

00:34:25.000 So they side with democratic establishment shills.

00:34:29.000 I mean, yeah, you're exactly right.

00:34:33.000 There's also the extended unemployment, which has driven up, I mean, driven up the cost of labor substantially, which is, I guess, not inherently a bad thing.

00:34:41.000 I think, you know, workers should get paid more generally, but I'd like to do it in a way that doesn't require us to pay people who can go work or should be able to go work and pay them, like, We're still paying extended unemployment benefits in a world where there's like a million job openings.

00:34:55.000 Yes, exactly.

00:34:56.000 10.1 million job openings and not enough workers in the market to fill those jobs.

00:35:01.000 And look, I posted a video.

00:35:04.000 This is actually, I think, the biggest video I've ever posted to Instagram because I don't really care about Instagram all that much.

00:35:09.000 I just post fun stuff.

00:35:11.000 We were shopping, and we were going to the dairy section, looking at the milk.

00:35:16.000 And I saw this little thing, this little star on the fridge, and it said, $500 hiring bonus.

00:35:21.000 And I was like, that's a weird place to put the hiring, on the milk section?

00:35:23.000 And then I look, and there's another one, another one, another one, another one.

00:35:26.000 Every 10 feet was saying, $500 hiring bonus.

00:35:28.000 Yeah.

00:35:29.000 Now we've seen those signs, and we've talked about them before.

00:35:31.000 We have seen the fast food restaurant saying, we'll give you a pay-you-a-bonus, 1,000 bucks, come, open interviews.

00:35:38.000 It's getting worse.

00:35:39.000 The last week or like two weeks ago, I went grocery shopping.

00:35:43.000 We did not see these bonuses.

00:35:46.000 The grocery store had employees and it's gotten so bad in the past couple of weeks.

00:35:50.000 Now, even my local grocery store is saying we're like, we're basically desperate.

00:35:54.000 Two questions.

00:35:55.000 Did you plant those signs before you got the video?

00:35:59.000 No.

00:35:59.000 Okay.

00:35:59.000 I didn't think so.

00:36:01.000 But it's got like 130 or so thousand views on Instagram.

00:36:04.000 And it was just me shopping like, look at this.

00:36:06.000 And it's got like 1,300 comments.

00:36:09.000 People are recognizing this stuff in their areas.

00:36:11.000 And the craziest thing to me, you know what blows my mind?

00:36:15.000 Democrats believe the economy is fairly good.

00:36:17.000 Yeah.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, I mean, this is something you, I mean, well, this is because they live in the cities where it's like, there was already a high minimum wage in a lot of elite cities, so the different, effectively what the extended unemployment did is it creates its own very high minimum wage.

00:36:29.000 Exactly, it resets the market equilibrium.

00:36:30.000 Right, because it's like the opportunity cost of going to work or not going to work, right?

00:36:34.000 And so in a place with a high minimum wage already, it's not actually going to change the labor market that much.

00:36:38.000 In a place that's in the rural area, where people were getting paid close to actual minimum wage, things are dramatically different.

00:36:45.000 Like, I was driving down to North Carolina.

00:36:47.000 We stopped right outside of Richmond.

00:36:49.000 We were like, oh, let's go to a Waffle House.

00:36:50.000 We walked in.

00:36:51.000 First thing you see is a little, like, display, kind of like, you know, those science projects?

00:36:55.000 I saw that, yeah.

00:36:55.000 Right?

00:36:56.000 Like, those science, you know, the third, fourth grade science project, little panels.

00:36:59.000 They're being like, come work here, it's so wonderful.

00:37:01.000 Walk in, they're like, sorry, to-go only, because no staff.

00:37:03.000 Yeah.

00:37:04.000 Then I go across the street to the Fuddruckers. 1.00

00:37:05.000 You can see on the sign there it says, we're only open 12 to 8 because of staffing issues.

00:37:09.000 Yep.

00:37:09.000 Like every, if you're in rural America, any restaurant, it's like staffing issues galore.

00:37:15.000 And it's getting worse.

00:37:16.000 It's getting a lot worse.

00:37:17.000 So we have a local diner and we went there, only one section was open and it said they were closing early.

00:37:23.000 Like I think they were closing at like 6pm or something.

00:37:25.000 I posted about this, I can't remember the exact time they were closing, but closing early and I was like, Whoa, this is a diner!

00:37:30.000 Like, diners, aren't they supposed to be open 24-7?

00:37:32.000 You come in for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

00:37:34.000 And then we went in, and they were short-staffed.

00:37:36.000 And they were like, we're desperately trying to hire cooks.

00:37:38.000 Somebody superchatted us the other day saying that at their IHOP, they had to ship in a cook from a different store because the IHOP would have had to have closed because it had no staff.

00:37:48.000 Yeah.

00:37:49.000 Look, I just want to interject here.

00:37:50.000 By the way, I think you hit the nail on the head perfectly when you said that.

00:37:54.000 It's insane to be giving people massive unemployment benefits when there's such a surplus of jobs that people aren't taking.

00:38:00.000 It completely defeats the purpose.

00:38:02.000 But also, given what you've just said, it becomes clear to anyone who didn't already recognize this that our framing is totally off here because the way it's stated is X new jobs were created this month.

00:38:13.000 But these aren't new jobs, so to speak.

00:38:15.000 I mean, they are, but they came in and shut down the entire economy, and now some of the jobs that we used to have are being reinstated.

00:38:22.000 Though you can't even quite say that they're being reinstated, because a lot of the small businesses that were shut down are never going to reopen, and now these services are being provided for by larger companies.

00:38:31.000 But when we get these job numbers, I mean, this is getting the economy back to quote-unquote normal.

00:38:35.000 This isn't improving our condition overall.

00:38:38.000 Yeah, and it's just, I mean, it's incredibly sad.

00:38:42.000 It's going to change the way, I mean, what it's going to do to restaurants in this country, especially in areas that aren't wealthy, it's going to change it to like Sweden.

00:38:50.000 Like in Sweden and Scandinavia with socialism, people don't go to restaurants very often because they're absurdly expensive.

00:38:56.000 And I think that's ultimately where we're going.

00:38:57.000 We're just going to get to a point where normal working class people can't go to restaurants or just only do it 0.98

00:39:02.000 extremely rarely.

00:39:03.000 I'll push back a little bit.

00:39:04.000 The Scandinavian countries aren't socialist.

00:39:06.000 They're just welfare states. 0.75

00:39:08.000 Yeah. And I think the reason the prices are really high is because they're like cold, you know, maybe.

00:39:15.000 But I mean, there are other European countries where you can go to restaurants.

00:39:19.000 It's true. It's very common.

00:39:20.000 It's true, it's true.

00:39:21.000 So I've been to Sweden, Norway, and Denmark a couple different times each, and the prices are insane.

00:39:27.000 For whatever reason.

00:39:28.000 Now here's what's fascinating, because I'll agree with you on this point, when I was in Bergen, Norway, We were, I was walking down this like, you know, I can't remember where it was.

00:39:35.000 It was like a boulevard, a market street kind of boulevard.

00:39:38.000 And there was a street vendor with a styrofoam plate and fried fish fillets and french fries.

00:39:43.000 Fish and chips.

00:39:45.000 And I was like, street food!

00:39:46.000 You can always count on street food wherever you go.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, you gotta enjoy that, right?

00:39:49.000 Walk up to the guy and I'm like, alright, let's do some fish and chips.

00:39:53.000 He scoops it up, puts it on the styrofoam plate and says, $50.

00:39:57.000 Where?

00:39:58.000 Bergen, Norway.

00:40:00.000 50 bucks.

00:40:00.000 50 US dollars?

00:40:01.000 50 US dollars.

00:40:02.000 It's like even a hipster boutique would be ashamed.

00:40:05.000 He did not say, that'll be 50 bucks, sir.

00:40:06.000 He was like, you know, whatever, crowns or whatever.

00:40:09.000 And then I looked it up and I was like, that's got to be a mistake.

00:40:11.000 And I showed him and he was like, yeah.

00:40:13.000 And so I was talking to someone who was in Norway and they were like, oh yeah, that's normal for us.

00:40:17.000 Like going out to eat is like a special thing.

00:40:20.000 And I was like, what?

00:40:21.000 I was watching an interview, Putin was talking to a bunch of students like six years ago and they were like, what should we do, premier?

00:40:29.000 And he was like, learn to cook.

00:40:30.000 And they all laughed.

00:40:31.000 They're like, no, really, what should we learn to do?

00:40:32.000 What should we do?

00:40:33.000 He's like, learn to cook.

00:40:35.000 Yeah, dude.

00:40:36.000 And it was like shockwaves.

00:40:37.000 Now I'm feeling the shockwaves of what he was saying.

00:40:39.000 We talked about this a lot with Michaela Peterson the other day.

00:40:43.000 People do not eat properly. 0.99

00:40:45.000 They eat trash. 0.98

00:40:46.000 That's true. 0.99

00:40:46.000 And it really does. 0.99

00:40:47.000 It's a bad effect from the ground up. 1.00

00:40:49.000 Garbage in, garbage out. 0.99

00:40:50.000 Fast food. 1.00

00:40:51.000 Disgusting phrase.

00:40:53.000 Food is not supposed to be fast. 0.91

00:40:55.000 It's medicine.

00:40:56.000 So here's where I'm at with this collapse we're witnessing, this slow-motion collapse, is fast food tastes good?

00:41:04.000 I don't like it, you know what I mean?

00:41:05.000 Yeah, sure.

00:41:06.000 But just because I don't like it doesn't mean that we should have some authority come in and just sledgehammer the industries and the things that people like.

00:41:15.000 This is Michael Bloomberg's ideology.

00:41:18.000 Do you remember when Michael Bloomberg said, tax the poor?

00:41:21.000 I'm not exaggerating.

00:41:21.000 He literally said that.

00:41:22.000 What? 1.00

00:41:23.000 He said they're too... Michael Bloomberg said that poor people are, are, are... And Michael Bloomberg said, too stupid. 1.00

00:41:28.000 And Michael Bloomberg said, I'm doing this on purpose. 1.00

00:41:31.000 Michael Bloomberg.

00:41:32.000 He didn't say that.

00:41:33.000 What?

00:41:33.000 I shouldn't have even interjected.

00:41:35.000 I'm doing this on purpose.

00:41:36.000 He didn't say that part.

00:41:37.000 No, I'm saying his name several times. 1.00

00:41:39.000 Michael Bloomberg said that poor people, according to Bloomberg, are too stupid, and according to Bloomberg, the government needs to spend money, according to Bloomberg, for them because they wouldn't know what to buy properly and they would buy bad things and hurt themselves. 0.99

00:41:52.000 That's an indicative mentality of this elite. 0.99

00:41:54.000 I don't like saying elite because I don't think they're doing a very good job.

00:41:56.000 So they're obviously low level, but they're up, they've got these positions of power and they really think people are like cattle.

00:42:02.000 They think that they can't do things for themselves and they can't think for themselves.

00:42:05.000 So they build these institutions to take care of them.

00:42:07.000 Maybe they're right. 1.00

00:42:08.000 Maybe there's something to the wild human stupidity and we have to corral them and, but I don't know. 1.00

00:42:14.000 No, you're right. 1.00

00:42:15.000 I mean, generally speaking, that is the progressive perspective.

00:42:17.000 So when you hear these lefties come out and say things like, well, we need a single-payer system because people can't just choose their health care in the private market.

00:42:23.000 Now, first of all, our health care system has many issues.

00:42:26.000 I think that there's a lot of reform that has to take place in order to straighten it out.

00:42:29.000 But the argument that the best possible solution for people is for their money to be funneled through the state so the government can make that decision for them is exactly embodied in what Bloomberg said.

00:42:37.000 So even though he said the quiet part loud, I don't think it's all that uncommon an attitude.

00:42:43.000 I'm trying to find something from this video I watched recently, but I can't find the graph he used. 1.00

00:42:47.000 The funny thing is they're the biggest idiots themselves. 0.99

00:42:51.000 They simultaneously believe that, for example, it's conservative Trump voters who are the biggest anti-vax population. 1.00

00:42:57.000 I haven't seen the evidence of that.

00:43:00.000 That was Breonna Kalar.

00:43:01.000 And then they also are thinking, what are we going to do for vaccine outreach?

00:43:04.000 Oh, I know, we'll have some gender-bending weirdo. 1.00

00:43:09.000 By the way, that guy was ripping off the character from 30 Rock.

00:43:15.000 Just blatantly ripping that character off.

00:43:17.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:43:20.000 Will's point stands, right?

00:43:22.000 They seem to be marketing towards a left-wing demographic even though their claim is that it's generally Trump supporters who need to be reached.

00:43:29.000 The CIA was doing that too with their recruitment campaigns.

00:43:32.000 I don't know.

00:43:33.000 They're gonna be like, oh, well, we tried reaching out to Trump supporters.

00:43:35.000 They didn't buy the gender-bending guy.

00:43:37.000 I guess we'll just force them to get vaccines.

00:43:38.000 The 20-year-old TikToker who was gender-bending. 1.00

00:43:40.000 It's crazy.

00:43:41.000 I guess there's nothing we can do.

00:43:42.000 That's funny.

00:43:43.000 So, Ian, I think you're a little bit right about people not exactly knowing what's right for them.

00:43:46.000 And it's because people aren't fully responsible.

00:43:48.000 And I think this is part of what's given the government so much power over us.

00:43:51.000 And this is why we're facing rising authoritarianism as we become less I think we're also giving humans too much credit.

00:43:57.000 Like people think they're like above the animal kingdom in a lot of ways.

00:44:00.000 And it's disturbing because we're just animals that repeat what we're told.

00:44:03.000 And we believe what we're told.

00:44:05.000 Speak for yourself.

00:44:06.000 Except Seamus.

00:44:08.000 I disagree.

00:44:08.000 I think sentience goes a long way.

00:44:11.000 I mean, we can give credit to dolphins and elephants, I guess.

00:44:13.000 Of course, and cats and dogs.

00:44:14.000 I mean, they're all sentient.

00:44:15.000 You have, you have, uh, the humans have great power.

00:44:19.000 Very intelligent, I'm not denying that, but still animals. 0.92

00:44:22.000 And we need to eat and destroy to consume to live and we make smelly poops and we're disgusting and violent. 0.65

00:44:28.000 Yeah, I think we've probably argued about this before.

00:44:30.000 I believe we have free will and so that places us above animals.

00:44:33.000 I wouldn't consider humans animals.

00:44:35.000 We're creatures, we're created things, but I wouldn't put us in the animal kingdom.

00:44:38.000 The free will conversation is fascinating.

00:44:41.000 I used to think that we have total free will, but now I think we're just kind of captive to our surroundings.

00:44:46.000 Like, I can't not eat.

00:44:48.000 I would love to not eat.

00:44:49.000 Well, I don't think you have freedom to defy the laws of nature or physics.

00:44:53.000 What's stopping you from getting up right now and just leaving?

00:44:56.000 Not much.

00:44:57.000 That's free will.

00:44:59.000 My concession of reality.

00:45:01.000 I would never do that because I have a greater goal and a plan that I feel like I'm compelled towards.

00:45:05.000 You have free will.

00:45:06.000 You could say, that whole plan, I can throw it out the window and just get up and walk out.

00:45:09.000 But you don't.

00:45:11.000 It's not because you're being forced to stay here.

00:45:13.000 You have the free will to choose.

00:45:15.000 I do want to loop back to what's going on with the economy and not get too far off the rails.

00:45:20.000 I did have an article I pulled up while we were talking about this.

00:45:22.000 My friends, I give you the great resignation.

00:45:26.000 Why millions of people are quitting.

00:45:28.000 And how employers can earn them back.

00:45:30.000 This is from Inc.com.

00:45:32.000 Four million people quit their jobs in April alone.

00:45:35.000 Money had little to do with it.

00:45:36.000 And even less to do with earning the right to find the right people for your business.

00:45:42.000 I want to show you this video.

00:45:44.000 This is from Trace Dominguez.

00:45:47.000 I know Trace.

00:45:48.000 I think he's a cool dude.

00:45:49.000 He made a video and said, I quit.

00:45:50.000 You should too.

00:45:52.000 The great resignation is coming.

00:45:54.000 I'm not highlighting his video to rag on him in any way.

00:45:56.000 I think his video is actually very fascinating.

00:45:58.000 He shows the Microsoft Work Trend Index.

00:46:01.000 41% of the global workforce are considering a job change in the next year, with 46% planning to make a major career transition.

00:46:07.000 The reason I show the video is because among him and his friends and his circle and his worldview, he's advocating for people to quit their jobs.

00:46:23.000 Now that Inc.com said it's not about money, and I'll tell you this, it's not about money.

00:46:27.000 The reason it's not about money is because unemployment and the eviction moratorium have given people the opportunity to consider things outside of money.

00:46:36.000 Because of that, It is because of the unemployment, but people aren't looking for work because of money, because they have it.

00:46:43.000 So when Wendy's says, we'll give you $1,000, like, it's not about the money.

00:46:46.000 Why?

00:46:47.000 Because they have money and they don't have to pay rent.

00:46:49.000 Not everybody, but a lot.

00:46:50.000 That's why we, for instance, at Timcast, we're slammed with resumes nonstop all day, every day.

00:46:56.000 And people saying they would work for really low wages and stuff like that, we don't do that.

00:46:59.000 But we get people saying, like, I want to work here.

00:47:01.000 Meanwhile, Wendy's, you know, supermarkets, whatever, they don't get that.

00:47:05.000 And that is only possible because the government is paying people.

00:47:09.000 Now, this is the Great Reset.

00:47:12.000 I'm all for if this works out well to the betterment of mankind.

00:47:17.000 I'm not a fan of the authoritarianism, of destroying someone's job, someone's goals, someone's livelihood, because you think you found a better way.

00:47:25.000 That's scary to me.

00:47:26.000 Yeah, I mean, I simultaneously think that it is in many ways, and it has been, the rational thing to do, to quit a minimum wage job in the world where you're, or if you can manage to finagle it so you're getting unemployment, because unemployment early on was like 1,000 a week, and even now, I mean, when you add up state and the federal booster, it's like 700, 800, and that's free money.

00:47:47.000 It's like 16 bucks an hour.

00:47:48.000 Right, so say you had a kid, and they were working a minimum wage job or whatever, they had like a high school diploma, You'd be like, go take, quit, and go do, like, training.

00:47:58.000 Go do, go do something that you can change your job and make more money.

00:48:00.000 Right?

00:48:01.000 Like, that's, that's the rational thing to do in a world where, you know, the reason, the rational thing in the world to do when you're not happy with your current salary or your current job, and somebody's going to pay you a lot of money to not be in that job.

00:48:12.000 Can you explain this to me, Will, with unemployment?

00:48:15.000 You pay taxes on unemployment when you receive them.

00:48:18.000 It's considered an insurance claim.

00:48:19.000 They call it unemployment insurance.

00:48:20.000 Are there any other insurance payouts that you have to pay taxes on?

00:48:24.000 I mean, you're paying your Social Security, which is nominally an insurance type thing, and also Medicare, Medicaid.

00:48:29.000 But, like, if you were to get an injury and then they pay you, like, an insurance claim?

00:48:32.000 Yeah, there's disability, too.

00:48:33.000 Do you have to pay tax on that insurance payout?

00:48:37.000 I'm not sure exactly what the rules are.

00:48:38.000 I mean, because, like, I'm an employer.

00:48:40.000 I think I pay that, right?

00:48:42.000 I don't know if... I found it very unethical to receive an unemployment check that I've already paid into, then to have to pay taxes on that check.

00:48:51.000 I don't know, I don't know the rules.

00:48:54.000 So those people, it's not necessarily free money, they still have to pay taxes on it, I guess was what made me think about all that.

00:48:57.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:48:58.000 But they're getting free money.

00:48:58.000 But still, free money's just less.

00:48:59.000 It's a lot, yeah, yeah.

00:49:00.000 I hope people realize that or we can see an influx of tax delinquents.

00:49:04.000 Americans got a weight problem.

00:49:06.000 The CDC says that of the hospitalizations we've seen so far, 30.2% were due to, were people who were obese.

00:49:13.000 I don't want to say due to, but were obese.

00:49:15.000 We know that America, and many countries, just people eat too much.

00:49:18.000 So what's happening now?

00:49:19.000 We're seeing people don't want to work fast food anymore.

00:49:23.000 Well, it's only possible because of this unemployment stuff.

00:49:26.000 If I were to envision a future where there was substantially less fast food, people are more likely to garden, grow their own food, be responsible for their food, and eat healthier.

00:49:34.000 That's a good thing.

00:49:35.000 If people were able to and more likely to work on things they were passionate about, I think it's a good thing.

00:49:41.000 I think it's a waste of energy for people to be working fast food and places like that.

00:49:45.000 The problem is I don't believe the ends justify the means.

00:49:48.000 So we can look at this vision of this beautiful future where everyone's eating healthy, they're exercising, everyone's politically active to a certain degree and calm and shaking hands and high-fiving.

00:49:56.000 Wouldn't that be a great future?

00:49:57.000 Wouldn't these utopians be great?

00:49:59.000 These utopias be great?

00:50:01.000 The problem is, in order to get there, you get some Dysphotic wingnut who says we are going to destroy as many lives as possible to get it

00:50:08.000 Yeah, I mean, there's just, I don't think there's the right to just destroy so many people's businesses or to, you know, dramatically change them.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, of course not.

00:50:16.000 And especially small businesses.

00:50:18.000 Like, that's who this hurts.

00:50:19.000 It's like the eviction moratorium, right?

00:50:21.000 The end result of the eviction moratorium is not no more landlords, it's no more small landlords, right?

00:50:26.000 Because you'll be in a world where, oh, it turns out we need to have clout to be landlords, because otherwise the government might just stop us from being able to evict terrible tenants.

00:50:34.000 So then you have, you just have massive, large, Landloring companies like you do in major cities, Bazuto, Avalon, all those sorts of companies.

00:50:40.000 Blackrock.

00:50:41.000 The government's actually subsidizing them right now.

00:50:44.000 This is what scares me the most though is that, the reason why I pulled up this video and that article is that, I think Seamus mentioned, the jobs we're seeing the openings are from people quitting.

00:50:54.000 Partially true.

00:50:55.000 A lot of people are quitting.

00:50:56.000 Some of these jobs are new with companies popping up saying we need to hire people.

00:50:59.000 But when you combine the fact that people want to quit, people are quitting, and then people are advocating for others to quit, if you think the economy is good right now, you must be watching CNN.

00:51:13.000 I would say it's also extremely dangerous.

00:51:14.000 I mean, look, we had an economy which had many flaws.

00:51:18.000 And some would even argue in some ways was a house of cards just based on its foundations with the Federal Reserve banking system.

00:51:23.000 But that's a whole other topic to get into.

00:51:25.000 I think the point is, generally speaking, the people who owned businesses, a large number

00:51:30.000 of them were people who took initiative early on.

00:51:33.000 They decided that they were going to forego immediate reward and work for years and years

00:51:39.000 on something that they would not see a financial return on for quite a bit, which is how it

00:51:43.000 goes for a small business owner.

00:51:45.000 And many of those people had their businesses shut down.

00:51:47.000 And now we have an economy that's sort of been rerouted where anyone can quit their

00:51:51.000 job and without going through the pain and suffering that used to be required to build

00:51:55.000 a business, be able to do so.

00:51:57.000 But I don't know that that's going to weed people out the way the system used to so that only the most dedicated people who really believe in their vision are engaging in that.

00:52:05.000 I think a lot of people who really aren't made to run their own business are just going to end up wasting a lot of time and tax money.

00:52:10.000 Well, I don't know what's gonna happen to those people.

00:52:13.000 What, are they gonna sit around and just eat food?

00:52:15.000 You know, just buy things and extract from the system, and then those who want to work are just basically fueling and funding the people who don't work?

00:52:22.000 That's not sustainable.

00:52:24.000 No.

00:52:25.000 I've talked about this for decades now, basically, since I was a kid.

00:52:29.000 The philosophical consequences of technological advancement.

00:52:33.000 When you get to the point where you start eliminating jobs due to automation, robotics, et cetera, Those people are gonna lose their jobs, and it's not their fault.

00:52:42.000 You could spend 20 years as a master of this, you know, I don't know, a lathe or whatever.

00:52:46.000 Lathe master, whatever those jobs are called.

00:52:48.000 Cuttin' rocks! 0.98

00:52:49.000 And then one day they're like, we got a robot that can do it faster and better than you, so you're fired.

00:52:53.000 Where are you gonna go work?

00:52:55.000 You had a great salary.

00:52:57.000 Maybe you were making six figures running this plant.

00:52:59.000 Now they're firing you.

00:53:00.000 Where are you going to go?

00:53:01.000 Learn to code?

00:53:02.000 No, it's not going to happen.

00:53:03.000 So now we have people who, through no fault of their own, who played by the rules, did everything right, are now in serious trouble.

00:53:08.000 Suppose you could argue they should have saved better.

00:53:10.000 Well, not everybody can.

00:53:12.000 And so we have to ask ourselves, how do we transition To making sure people don't lose access to the economy and resources when we make them obsolete through technological development.

00:53:22.000 The problem is, there is no point at which we flip the switch on.

00:53:26.000 It's not like, everybody's got to work right now, and technology advanced, so flip, now no one works.

00:53:31.000 No.

00:53:32.000 People will still have to make food.

00:53:33.000 People will still have to grow food.

00:53:34.000 Farmers will still have to farm.

00:53:36.000 People picking crops will still have to pick those crops.

00:53:38.000 But the people in New York City? 0.97

00:53:40.000 The people who write garbage articles about celebrities? 0.98

00:53:43.000 Oh, they can stop working.

00:53:44.000 And that's an interesting point you brought up, Will, about how the labor shortage affects the rural areas.

00:53:50.000 What are people in cities, what are many of them doing?

00:53:52.000 Like, I look at New York's media landscape and I'm like, these people produce NOTHING.

00:53:58.000 I get it.

00:53:59.000 It's attention economy.

00:54:01.000 It's wasting people's time.

00:54:03.000 They're reading articles, listicles of pictures of cats.

00:54:06.000 No joke.

00:54:06.000 I mean, they're like, I found 12 pictures of cats and we're gonna say, these cats all look like famous historical figures.

00:54:12.000 And they get paid to do that.

00:54:13.000 They have produced NOTHING.

00:54:16.000 Meanwhile, the people in the rural areas, the people who are farming, the people who are mining, the people in construction, the plumbers, the firefighters, the cops, the contractors, they do hard work constructing and building and making things for society.

00:54:29.000 That's not getting automated anytime soon.

00:54:32.000 But those jobs, we have AI writing garbage articles.

00:54:35.000 Those people get free money, and they're chilling in their cities, and it's not a big deal for them.

00:54:39.000 Everyone else, they get left holding the stick.

00:54:41.000 Eventually, people are going to say, hey, wait a minute.

00:54:43.000 I'm growing all this food, and you're just taking it from me?

00:54:47.000 That's not going to last very long.

00:54:48.000 Yeah.

00:54:49.000 Well, in something you said sort of touches on something I mentioned earlier, but didn't really get into.

00:54:54.000 I mentioned our economy kind of being built on a house of cards, and you were talking about savings.

00:54:58.000 The fact that a lot of people's businesses got shut down, and maybe they could have saved more.

00:55:01.000 Well, unfortunately, our economy has been structured in a way which disincentivizes saving, and that goes into this mentality of not wanting people to build the necessary virtue of deferring gratification.

00:55:13.000 Or, I mean, I should really say, in many ways, that's the basis of all virtue.

00:55:17.000 We have a system where it's not exactly a shock that people are going to be inclined towards becoming takers rather than makers as soon as the opportunity presents itself because we haven't exactly set things up in a way that incentivizes responsibility.

00:55:29.000 Even if you had saved enough to keep your business afloat, for example, 5% of all of your savings would be gone today from last year without you spending a penny.

00:55:37.000 But Max Keiser, he said he thinks it was like, what, 10 to 14%?

00:55:40.000 He thinks the government's lying about the number.

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:42.000 Because that would cause Social Security to skyrocket.

00:55:44.000 To skyrocket, exactly.

00:55:45.000 So they're in panic mode.

00:55:46.000 And how would they pay for Social Security?

00:55:47.000 Probably print more money.

00:55:49.000 And then the inflation gets worse.

00:55:50.000 I'll tell you.

00:55:51.000 And then they acknowledge the inflation's worse and Social Security goes up.

00:55:53.000 This is what I was saying the other day.

00:55:54.000 If you give someone $300 for free, and they're like, hey, that buys me groceries for the week.

00:55:59.000 They'll gladly accept it, and then within a month or two, however long, now they're like, $300?

00:56:05.000 That covers half my groceries for the week.

00:56:07.000 Then in a few months, $300?

00:56:09.000 Wow!

00:56:10.000 That's a free cheeseburger!

00:56:11.000 No matter how much the currency inflates, no matter how much the currency is devalued, They'll still accept free money if it gets them something of value.

00:56:19.000 And so I think I've mentioned this on the show before, but even the people with this modern monetary theory fantasy acknowledge that if your economy isn't productive, printing more money is going to lead towards inflation.

00:56:34.000 So even the people with the most permissive monetary policy imaginable would tell you that we're going to get inflation out of what just happened over the past year, and we're going to continue to get inflation.

00:56:42.000 Right.

00:56:43.000 Yeah, we didn't we didn't get more productive.

00:56:45.000 Yeah, we were way less productive.

00:56:48.000 And, you know, maybe that's a price we're willing to pay because, you know, I mean, I think in terms of especially when you're talking about the beginning of the pandemic, a ton of people tossed out of their jobs and effectively having their livelihoods taken from them as a result of government regulations and lockdowns.

00:57:00.000 OK, yeah, we should compensate them, right?

00:57:02.000 The way I always viewed that was, the government shutting down your restaurant, that's a taking that you need to be compensated for, right?

00:57:09.000 But that doesn't mean that that's a continuing thing.

00:57:13.000 And I think what the Democrats want to do, and it's one of the reasons Biden's so terrible, is they just want to pretend that it's still pandemic world, and we should just open the floodgates and spend another $10 trillion.

00:57:24.000 Well, I think they realize that they could get away with it without people doing much.

00:57:28.000 But we got some news in that front.

00:57:30.000 You think this is the end?

00:57:32.000 You think that they're gonna start opening up the states and everything's gonna... No, no, no.

00:57:35.000 We're going the other direction.

00:57:36.000 Oregon has announced they're reinstating their mask mandates.

00:57:39.000 And we have this story from Axios.

00:57:42.000 Now, I know YouTube is very nitpicky on what you can or can't say about COVID for whatever reason.

00:57:46.000 They're ban-happy.

00:57:48.000 If I can't read Axios, I don't know what I can read, so...

00:57:51.000 New data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness may be a wake-up call.

00:57:55.000 A new preprint study that raises concerns about the mRNA vaccine's effectiveness against Delta, particularly Pfizer's, has already grabbed the attention of top Biden administration officials.

00:58:05.000 The study found the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective against infection in July, when the Delta variant was dominant.

00:58:13.000 Quote, if that's not a wake-up call, I don't know what is, a senior Biden official told Axios.

00:58:19.000 Driving the news, the study conducted by Enference and the Mayo Clinic compared the effectiveness of the Pfizer-Moderna vaccines in the Mayo Clinic health system over time from January to July.

00:58:30.000 Overall, it found the Moderna vaccine was 86% effective against infection over the study period, Pfizer's was 76%, Moderna's was 92% against hospitalization, and Pfizer's was 85.

00:58:41.000 But the vaccine's effectiveness against infection dropped sharply in July, when the Delta variant's prevalence in Minnesota had risen to over 70%.

00:58:49.000 Moderna was 76% effective against the infection, and Pfizer was only 42% effective.

00:58:56.000 The study found similar results in other states.

00:58:57.000 For example, in Florida, the risk of infection in July for people fully vaccinated with Moderna was about 60% lower than for people fully vaccinated with Pfizer.

00:59:07.000 Although it is yet to be peer-reviewed, the study raises serious questions about both vaccines' long-term effectiveness, particularly Pfizer's.

00:59:15.000 Quote, based on the data that we have so far, it's a combination of both factors, says Venki Soundararajan, I'm trying to pronounce that right, a lead author of the study.

00:59:26.000 The Moderna vaccine is likely, very likely, more effective than the Pfizer vaccine in areas where Delta is the dominant strain, and the Pfizer vaccine appears to have a lower durability of effectiveness.

00:59:36.000 42 percent.

00:59:37.000 Now, we saw Israel, they made similar claims that a large portion of the people in hospitals were fully vaccinated and the effectiveness is being reduced.

00:59:47.000 I'm not going to tell you what to do because I don't give medical advice.

00:59:49.000 You go talk to your doctor about your medical advice.

00:59:51.000 This is coming from the Biden administration.

00:59:53.000 We're getting a statement from the Biden administration.

00:59:54.000 We're getting the Mayo Clinic.

00:59:55.000 We're getting a study on this.

00:59:57.000 Where do we go?

00:59:59.000 What do we do?

01:00:00.000 They're going to bring lockdowns back, aren't they?

01:00:01.000 Well, you've got to assume that the virus is going to mutate again.

01:00:04.000 It mutated into the Delta strain.

01:00:06.000 And now I saw an article- Lambda.

01:00:08.000 Lambda, they're expecting. 0.87

01:00:09.000 Epsilon.

01:00:10.000 Yeah.

01:00:10.000 And they were like, we'll have to go to the numbers after all the Greek letters are gone.

01:00:12.000 But let me, it's similar to what the flu does.

01:00:14.000 It tends to mutate.

01:00:15.000 That's why they haven't had a virus that stops the thing.

01:00:17.000 You can just, from season to season, help you reduce infection.

01:00:20.000 And I think that's what we're seeing here.

01:00:22.000 Whether or not you want to create a new vaccine for every strain, every time, I don't know.

01:00:26.000 You know, we kind of got to rely on data for that.

01:00:28.000 And I see so much of it.

01:00:30.000 Well, I mean, I think the thing is we're headed, it's endemic, we're headed towards COVID as something that just is part of our life in the same way that the flu is part of our life, right?

01:00:37.000 Like, and it's part of something we deal with every year.

01:00:40.000 I mean, there's a flu shot available, a new flu shot every year, right?

01:00:43.000 That helps you out against the variants they think are flowing around and reduces The severity.

01:00:48.000 That's what we're headed towards with COVID.

01:00:49.000 Now, what does that mean for your behavior?

01:00:52.000 I think, you know, I'm seeing people like freaking out and lockdowns and masks.

01:00:56.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, none of that.

01:00:59.000 Because like that, that's a pandemic measure.

01:01:01.000 That's a, we're trying to eradicate it.

01:01:02.000 That's, we're trying to get it completely eliminated.

01:01:05.000 And so, and we're doing a short-term measure until we get to vaccines and another mechanism.

01:01:10.000 But now we have vaccines and vaccine technology.

01:01:13.000 And so I think that's where we need to think we need to push this going, like fight against mandates and lockdowns and instead say, look, we need to embrace the idea that I don't think we should fight nearly as hard against like booster shots as we should against like continued mass mandates and lockdowns.

01:01:27.000 Right.

01:01:28.000 Because if it is endemic, then we've got to be like, OK, then this is like then this is finally like the flu.

01:01:33.000 And we need to, as a society, treat it like the flu, maybe more severe.

01:01:37.000 More severe.

01:01:38.000 And that's kind of scary, actually.

01:01:40.000 More communicable, I think, is really the key.

01:01:42.000 Yeah, because I guess the scary thing is if it becomes a seasonal thing.

01:01:46.000 I mean, you lose your sense of smell.

01:01:49.000 You lose your taste.

01:01:50.000 You get fatigued.

01:01:52.000 You know, that's creepy.

01:01:54.000 But we got this from NBC News.

01:01:55.000 Check this out.

01:01:55.000 FDA poised to okay third vaccine dose for immunocompromised people.

01:02:00.000 The move would be the first authorization of additional dose in the U.S.

01:02:05.000 Boosters are coming.

01:02:05.000 I mean, really interesting question.

01:02:07.000 Were there tests on three doses or were there tests on the third dose improving?

01:02:12.000 Because if Pfizer, as they say, is only 42% at affecting advent infection after two doses, how much does a third improve things?

01:02:21.000 I don't know, man.

01:02:22.000 It just feels like we did a lot of things that didn't work and they keep just saying, we'll just keep doing the same thing over and over again because they don't know what else to do.

01:02:30.000 Right, like they have to do something.

01:02:31.000 They feel like they can't do nothing.

01:02:35.000 We blame the authorities, but it also starts with a huge chunk of the population being absolute paranoiacs about it.

01:02:41.000 At a point, you know, I mean, this is just something... Did you guys hear that people continue to blindly trust the authority on this, right?

01:02:48.000 We talked about this last time.

01:02:49.000 At first, it was two weeks to slow the spread.

01:02:51.000 It was, we need to make sure hospitals don't get overwhelmed.

01:02:53.000 And then it was, we have to make sure there are no new cases.

01:02:55.000 And then we have to wait for there to be a vaccine.

01:02:57.000 No, now there is a vaccine, but it's not working.

01:02:58.000 We have to lock down again.

01:02:59.000 You missed one part of that.

01:03:00.000 It was first, it was, you know, 15 days of slow to spread.

01:03:03.000 Then Cuomo killed 15,000 people.

01:03:05.000 Oh, that's right.

01:03:06.000 Then it was, OK, we got to stay locked down a little bit longer.

01:03:08.000 The 15 days thing was kind of like, they're like, hey, we have a bug bombing service coming to your house.

01:03:12.000 You need to vacate for two weeks.

01:03:14.000 We're going to make sure we kill the bugs.

01:03:15.000 And then you're like, OK.

01:03:16.000 And you leave your house.

01:03:17.000 You give it all up.

01:03:18.000 You wait.

01:03:18.000 After two weeks, they're like, Yeah, we didn't get all the bugs.

01:03:21.000 We don't know if it's working right.

01:03:22.000 There's a new bug now.

01:03:23.000 Different bugs, same chemical, doesn't seem to work exactly right, but we're gonna keep doing it.

01:03:26.000 I need access to my house, dude.

01:03:29.000 I might steal that and make a cartoon of you. 0.95

01:03:32.000 In Germany, they're advising people to get a third shot because a nurse was accused of giving people saline instead of the vaccine.

01:03:41.000 Yeah, and they said they didn't know why she did it, but that she had posted anti-vax stuff or vaccine skepticism online.

01:03:47.000 Think about how insane that is in the other direction.

01:03:48.000 Like, certainly we can talk about mandates and lockdowns being bad, it's extreme, but how extreme is it if someone goes to the doctor, the doctor recommends them medication, they say, thank you, doc, I will agree to this medication, and the nurse goes, I ain't giving them that, and then secretly gives them something else.

01:04:02.000 That sounds criminal.

01:04:03.000 I'm sure that is criminal.

01:04:05.000 If they die man to right right crime like you need to go to jail for a long time for that

01:04:10.000 You don't get to you don't get to deceive someone into getting there was actually I remember there was a little

01:04:15.000 just saline It was just saline, which is harmless, but that sounds

01:04:19.000 criminal and these were elderly people too. Yeah criminal, dude

01:04:23.000 I'm sure you inject me with something. I didn't ask for man, and you deceive me into thinking 0.79

01:04:28.000 It was the thing that would protect me from the disease I need protection from and then I go ahead and die from

01:04:31.000 that disease because I was unprotected Like, manslaughter.

01:04:36.000 All about people just having informed consent and making the choices that's what's right for them to think that this nurse would decide, I don't care what you think, I don't care what you've read, I don't care what the doctor said, that's insane.

01:04:51.000 Jail.

01:04:51.000 Right to jail.

01:04:52.000 Right away.

01:04:53.000 Did they have any way to track which particular patient she gave saline to?

01:04:56.000 Are there records?

01:04:57.000 No, I think they were saying it was like several thousand.

01:04:59.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:05:01.000 Maybe several.

01:05:01.000 I could be wrong.

01:05:02.000 Is she incarcerated at the moment?

01:05:03.000 What is the situation?

01:05:04.000 I think the article is Reuters.

01:05:06.000 They said they weren't sure if she had been arrested or charged, but...

01:05:10.000 Wow, dude.

01:05:10.000 Maybe she took a trip to Israel, and that's why the vaccines have been less effective.

01:05:14.000 This is the opposite of informed consent.

01:05:17.000 And that's what I'm all about.

01:05:18.000 Like, you go to your doctor, your doctor says, here's the news, you say, you ask him questions, here's a story I saw, what do you think?

01:05:23.000 And then they're honest with you, they show you the studies, they explain to you in great detail, and you are informed.

01:05:28.000 If someone was to switch out your medicine for anything, that is not informed consent.

01:05:31.000 That is them... That's the opposite.

01:05:36.000 It's just crazy, man.

01:05:37.000 People are losing it.

01:05:38.000 I'll put it that way.

01:05:40.000 I just looked this story up and she injected 8,600 people.

01:05:45.000 So who knows how responsible she is for possible deaths. 0.70

01:05:48.000 That's messed up.

01:05:49.000 Holy cow. 0.89

01:05:51.000 This is really interesting.

01:05:52.000 Do you guys follow Bret Weinstein?

01:05:55.000 I've seen a little bit of it.

01:05:56.000 of it. I wouldn't say I've been following it. He tweeted out one of these doctors who

01:05:59.000 said heads up that the frontline coalition of doctors, whatever, these are the people

01:06:03.000 who are always talking about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and stuff like that, said

01:06:07.000 it's not working. They said that their treatment is not working on people with a Delta variant.

01:06:13.000 And a bunch of people responded saying like, it never did work.

01:06:15.000 A lot of studies contradict this, and that's why people were critical of you.

01:06:18.000 But I think it's really interesting.

01:06:20.000 Two things.

01:06:20.000 One, they were saying that this one doctor said they've experienced people with the Delta variant in the ICU, and their standard treatment protocol didn't work.

01:06:31.000 Interestingly as well, their standard treatment protocol calls for wearing masks.

01:06:36.000 So even the people who are being censored because they're talking about these other treatments are telling people to wear masks.

01:06:43.000 That I find interesting.

01:06:45.000 Who are the people saying not to wear masks when it comes to potential sickness?

01:06:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:52.000 It's interesting to me.

01:06:52.000 I don't know.

01:06:53.000 It's a weird situation.

01:06:54.000 I mean, I've said for a long time that I hope one of the things that comes out of all this is that, you know, it is now a social norm that if you're coughing in public, you should be wearing a mask, right?

01:07:02.000 Like, if you're knowingly sick, like, stay home, and if you are gonna go out, wear a damn mask, and don't try and reduce the amount you spread to everybody else.

01:07:09.000 That's the other crazy thing, too, like, when I see people walk, when I go outside and I see someone with a mask, I'm like, I don't know, whatever. 0.96

01:07:15.000 What if it's in a movie?

01:07:16.000 I don't think about that stuff people people smack talk me all the time on the net. I don't care. I ignore it

01:07:21.000 I'm doing my thing, you know, and I think if I see somebody outside wearing a mask, um, you know what if they're sick

01:07:26.000 good What if it's in a movie? What if the characters in TV shows

01:07:29.000 and movies start having masks on?

01:07:31.000 So I rewatched the big short You guys remember that movie?

01:07:38.000 One of the characters, Brad Pitt character, it's like the big thing is he's a kind of a weird guy, very eccentric.

01:07:45.000 And you know, he comes to the airport and he's wearing an N95 and using hand sanitizer.

01:07:48.000 And it's like, that's the model of his eccentricity.

01:07:51.000 And now it's like, everyone does that.

01:07:53.000 Everyone turned into the weird eccentric hypochondriac.

01:07:55.000 This is the interesting thing.

01:07:57.000 Seeing the, you know, the frontline coalition, you know, whatever, these doctors who have been talking about ivermectin, when they come out and they say like, hey, Delta variant, this stuff's not working, you know, I just, I'm like, there's a vaccine, you know what I mean?

01:08:10.000 Like, would they, would they support that?

01:08:13.000 It seems like they're just doing studies on what they've been doing, which is a very intelligent and ethical thing to do as a scientist, as doctor.

01:08:20.000 So, but if they haven't looked into that other stuff yet, but they're just kind of showing the flaws and, you know, how it's changing the Delta variants different than the other.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, but should they then be like, our new protocol includes getting a vaccine and wearing a mask, or whatever?

01:08:33.000 Which is funny, because then it goes right back to the CDC and Fauci.

01:08:35.000 It was so weird to fight against the vaccines, because you figure, I mean, I remember so many of the same people who were like, oh, this isn't a big deal, and oh, we should head for herd immunity, were then the ones who were the biggest vaccine skeptics, and that was always...

01:08:45.000 Very strange to me because I felt like the best argument against all the sort of social distancing, public health-type measures was a vaccine that would help protect you so that you could live your life normally.

01:08:57.000 That Trump was responsible for.

01:08:58.000 Right, Operation Warp Speed.

01:08:59.000 I also think people had a suspicion that it didn't matter how many people got vaccinated, there was going to be some push to continue the lockdowns.

01:09:05.000 This is the problem I have.

01:09:07.000 Look, I keep saying, informed consent, I don't give medical advice, go talk to a medical professional, but when story after story after story comes out about some guy being like, oh no, I'm dying, if only I got the vaccine, or that woman in Alabama where she was like, I take their hand and they say, please give me the vaccine.

01:09:23.000 I say, I'm sorry, it's too late.

01:09:24.000 I'm like, dude, come on, man.

01:09:27.000 It's so on the nose.

01:09:27.000 Do they do stories about morbidly obese people having a heart attack?

01:09:31.000 Never.

01:09:31.000 Or like smokers having lung, I mean, I guess they did that with smokers having lung cancer.

01:09:35.000 Yeah.

01:09:35.000 yeah but a lot but they certainly don't do it over weight people and obese

01:09:39.000 people uh... they should well maybe they shouldn't i think again

01:09:42.000 at the very least yeah i think there should there should be what you

01:09:45.000 want to a great race at us have a great reset people's mental health their

01:09:48.000 physical health their personal responsibility

01:09:50.000 because i watch less cnn so That would be the Iboga plant, if you want to do that.

01:09:55.000 You ever study that thing?

01:09:56.000 It's this African psychoactive plant that just destroys addiction. 0.81

01:10:01.000 You take it, you come out of it with no addiction.

01:10:03.000 It's amazing.

01:10:03.000 But it's one of the most visceral, grotesque experiences you can have, I've heard.

01:10:10.000 Other than that, how are you going to great reset people's eating habits?

01:10:14.000 Well, I think just, look, it's, in the words of Frederick Douglass, I believe, it's easier to build strong men than repair broken ones.

01:10:21.000 I think it more or less comes down to educating the next generation.

01:10:25.000 I don't think it's a matter of anything else than that.

01:10:27.000 You try to help build virtue in the population, which is already there, but most of your hope is in educating the young.

01:10:35.000 My concern is that kids mimic their parents, and if the parent's unwilling to change their diet, the kid may be eating healthy at home because he's forced to, but when they leave the house, they're going to start mimicking what they knew.

01:10:45.000 Yeah, I mean it's possible.

01:10:47.000 So you're saying the end is nigh?

01:10:49.000 I'm saying Iboga is not the end of the world.

01:10:52.000 No, the end is just beginning.

01:10:54.000 So it's a long time, my friends.

01:10:58.000 You know what, man?

01:10:59.000 It feels like a slow motion collapse.

01:11:00.000 How did I describe it before?

01:11:02.000 Like it's a giant Joe Biden and the building falls down and then he grabs it and he can't hold it up.

01:11:06.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:11:07.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:07.000 That's a bad way to put it.

01:11:08.000 Joe Biden walks up to the building like a Godzilla Joe Biden, punches a hole in the foundation and then starts falling and he catches it and he's slowly easing it down to the ground.

01:11:17.000 It's a revolution.

01:11:19.000 I think the Spanish term revolute, is that what it is?

01:11:22.000 Means to turn forward?

01:11:25.000 To return forward.

01:11:27.000 It's actually to return forward, which is like a slow falling forward.

01:11:31.000 Of course, it's then going to circle and spiral and continue.

01:11:34.000 You know, I've had it up to here with people owning things.

01:11:38.000 Me too.

01:11:39.000 I think if they owned nothing, they'd be happy.

01:11:42.000 I've been thinking this a lot.

01:11:43.000 People are like, I own this land.

01:11:45.000 And then you're like, uh, yeah, like if an alien came down there, like, okay, dude.

01:11:48.000 And they like smashed the pulpy body up against the wall.

01:11:51.000 Like, yeah, no, no one owns anything.

01:11:52.000 You don't even own your body.

01:11:53.000 What is ownership?

01:11:55.000 What does that mean?

01:11:56.000 Ian, are you saying that because an alien can steal something from me?

01:11:58.000 Because an alien can steal something from me.

01:12:01.000 I don't own it.

01:12:01.000 Shamus, take a shirt.

01:12:03.000 This is my lunch money.

01:12:04.000 If an alien comes down and takes it, it is still my lunch money.

01:12:07.000 They've just stolen it.

01:12:08.000 I understand, like, thievery.

01:12:09.000 Maybe that's why we've created ownership is because of the tendency towards thievery.

01:12:12.000 Ian, like, so much of your arguments are semantic.

01:12:16.000 Yeah, this is a bit semantic.

01:12:18.000 It seems like at some point you went on a trip where your brain split, like, words from meanings.

01:12:24.000 That's this whole society.

01:12:25.000 I'm like the microcosm of what society is experiencing right now.

01:12:29.000 Ownership is just a concept.

01:12:32.000 It's a human societal concept that something is within your responsibility and your freedom to manipulate.

01:12:39.000 It's a legal construct about a human's relationship to property vis-a-vis other humans.

01:12:45.000 The right to exclude.

01:12:47.000 You're actually hitting on some very fundamental questions in property law.

01:12:54.000 I'm just saying, my position, honestly, as a Catholic and a moral realist, I do think property is a legitimate, real concept.

01:13:01.000 I don't just think it's a social construct.

01:13:03.000 I believe there is a legitimate injustice done when something's stolen from one, and it's not just socially constructed.

01:13:08.000 Right, well, kind of one of the ways to think about it is, actually to kind of flip that around a little bit, you know, people will say when they're like looting, oh, looting isn't that bad, it's just property.

01:13:19.000 It's like, no, property is about someone's relationship to physical things.

01:13:22.000 And so it actually, you actually are injuring That social construct if you will but like that that that relationship and so you are injuring the person exactly and so That's I think you know if you can you can concede the sort of like social Constructedness of property and still realize that it's actually really it's actually more important.

01:13:43.000 Well.

01:13:43.000 It's extremely more you know more important So so Ian your view of ownership is I?

01:13:49.000 Limited in that you only view it from this one perspective.

01:13:52.000 Ownership isn't about your rights to something, it's about your responsibilities to something.

01:13:56.000 So you mentioned owning land.

01:13:58.000 If the aliens came, they'd be like, you don't own this land.

01:14:00.000 What if the aliens came to Earth and there was one guy who dumped a metric ton of human feces all over this land?

01:14:06.000 They'd be like, who's responsible for this?

01:14:08.000 And they'd be like, it's his land, he did it.

01:14:10.000 Get it?

01:14:10.000 You know, here's the funny thing.

01:14:12.000 Your alien hypothetical, that's actually a hypothetical from the very earliest part of our American property law.

01:14:17.000 Really?

01:14:18.000 What?

01:14:19.000 Not quite the same one, but you'll understand it once I explain it.

01:14:21.000 So there's a case called Johnson v. McIntosh, and if you're a law student in 1L, it's usually the first property case you go to.

01:14:26.000 And it's a John Marshall case, right?

01:14:28.000 I don't know if he was the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, but he was the most important in the early days.

01:14:35.000 And the basic thesis of the case was there were two guys who had a competing claim to land, and one guy's kind of title, chain of title, ran through Indians who had granted it, and another's chain of title ran through, like, post the Indian conquest and somebody else going there.

01:14:50.000 And Marshall's like the guy who had it after the Indian, whose chain of title doesn't involve the Indian transfer.

01:14:58.000 Wins.

01:14:59.000 Why?

01:14:59.000 Because we conquered them.

01:15:01.000 And there's no other good reason why.

01:15:03.000 That's just it.

01:15:04.000 We conquered them and that's why.

01:15:05.000 So it's like when you say the aliens came in and just took over, like, it probably kind of felt like the aliens came in and took over when colonists showed up and disturbed the, you know, the Indian land claims.

01:15:17.000 So when the alien comes here and says you don't own it, then it's true. 1.00

01:15:19.000 The aliens own it.

01:15:20.000 Right.

01:15:21.000 By virtue of having guns.

01:15:22.000 Right.

01:15:22.000 It's like property claims are ultimately rooted in sovereignty.

01:15:26.000 I think, right?

01:15:27.000 Like, you know, I mean, we have a moral feeling of injustice when our property claims are

01:15:30.000 violated no matter what, but in terms of, like, how courts are ultimately going to adjudicate

01:15:34.000 it, they're going to rely on sort of under the existing, under the continuation of whatever

01:15:39.000 sovereignty exists, and if that sovereignty is disturbed, then guess what?

01:15:42.000 what that sovereignty is disturbed.

01:15:44.000 Civil society doesn't function without property rights.

01:15:46.000 Because an individual will work eight hours to secure food for himself and say, I have

01:15:51.000 a right to this food as I have done the work to procure it.

01:15:53.000 And then someone will walk up and say, but you don't actually own anything and take it

01:15:55.000 from them.

01:15:56.000 And then the person who does the work dies and the person who doesn't work dies too.

01:15:59.000 How did the Native Americans who didn't own the land do that? 0.97

01:16:03.000 Discuss and like, take care of it?

01:16:05.000 If one Native wanted- Which Native Americans? 0.99

01:16:07.000 Yeah, there's so many tribes.

01:16:08.000 Well, so different tribes would handle it differently.

01:16:10.000 Like if one of them decided to take the food, more food than they needed, would they just kill the person?

01:16:15.000 Would they ostracize- would they throw them out of the tribe?

01:16:18.000 You're acting like every single Native American was the same. 1.00

01:16:21.000 It's a general question.

01:16:22.000 I got more fascinating anecdotes if you want to know on this one.

01:16:25.000 I would love to hear them.

01:16:26.000 I actually have a question, though.

01:16:28.000 So you had Aztecs who had buildings and societies, you had Mayans, you had Incans, and then you had the Iroquois or whatever.

01:16:36.000 Apache, whatever.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, Apache.

01:16:39.000 They had completely different legal structures.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, Native American's a vague term.

01:16:43.000 It would be like, how did Europeans determine what they owned?

01:16:45.000 It's like, what do you mean Europeans?

01:16:46.000 Spain and France have different laws.

01:16:48.000 Well, assuming a tribe that didn't own, they didn't have ownership laws.

01:16:51.000 How does random nomadic tribe handle property law?

01:16:53.000 I don't know.

01:16:54.000 That's why I asked the question.

01:16:55.000 So, sort of... Who else does know?

01:16:58.000 I don't know exactly, but they all have different norms.

01:17:00.000 I mean, because debt is really old.

01:17:02.000 Like, this is a great book you should read by the recently deceased David Graeber, Debt the First 5,000 Years.

01:17:08.000 And it talks about how debt pre-existed barter, and that it's a much more natural thing, right?

01:17:13.000 Because debt presupposes the continuation of a relationship, right?

01:17:17.000 You owe me.

01:17:18.000 I have to, in the future, repay you.

01:17:19.000 Whereas barter is like saying our relationship can end right now because we are equal, and so we can depart.

01:17:25.000 So it's something that sort of evolved between hostile tribes that occasionally needed to exchange things.

01:17:29.000 But in terms of your interpersonal relationship with people that are all forever, there was always debt.

01:17:34.000 And so sometimes that's official and like marked down but other times that's something like they just kind of it's sort of socially understood and you kind of figure it out and who's who you know it's vague and whoever knows but so one really funny example I think I think it's the Easter Islanders don't quote me on that because I don't know but they had a system where it's like it's socially terrible if you have to turn down somebody's request for something from you Like, if somebody makes a request of you, if you can accede to it and give them what they need, you have to, and it's really rude not to.

01:18:01.000 And the only check on that is that eventually, if you try to exploit the system and request enough from people, they'll just kill you. 0.99

01:18:06.000 Because you're such an asshole and it's exploited it so much, they're finally like, after the 20th request where you try and exploit the system, they kill you. 0.99

01:18:13.000 Or just ask right back. 1.00

01:18:14.000 Right, so that's how one particular tribe handled property rights in their area.

01:18:21.000 Like, everything belongs to everybody. 1.00

01:18:23.000 But if you're too much of an asshole, we just kill you. 1.00

01:18:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:25.000 But it's, it's, it's, it's a bunch of different tribes and a bunch of different things. 1.00

01:18:28.000 Some groups, like, you know, barbarian hordes or whatever, you can talk about that, and like Asia, they just take whatever they wanted from whoever they wanted and then just exploit it. 0.98

01:18:37.000 It seems like BlackRock is exploiting it right now.

01:18:39.000 That people that are these big multinational corporations that are being subsidized by governments to buy property away from small business owners and people that can't afford it are exploiting the property ownership and the debt system.

01:18:50.000 Yeah, it's fascism.

01:18:51.000 So, how are we going to fix that?

01:18:52.000 How are we going to alter the system so that it can't be exploited?

01:18:56.000 Raise kids with better values?

01:18:58.000 Definitely. 0.99

01:19:00.000 Certainly don't do stupid stuff like eviction moratoriums again. 0.94

01:19:03.000 Because to me, eviction moratoriums mean everybody at BlackRockCoin is going to own everything. 0.97

01:19:06.000 Exactly.

01:19:07.000 Because you can't be a small landlord.

01:19:09.000 That was one of those things that a middle class way of building wealth would be to own a house and own rental properties. 1.00

01:19:16.000 You could invest in Juan.

01:19:18.000 at this point. What is won?

01:19:20.000 It's interesting because...

01:19:22.000 Korean currency? Chinese.

01:19:24.000 Chinese is the... 0.96

01:19:26.000 Is China... Oh, the yuan.

01:19:28.000 The W-O-N-1. 1.00

01:19:30.000 It's probably named after the empire.

01:19:32.000 Going to your point on the eviction moratoriums, there are so many of these left-wing

01:19:36.000 economic policies that at a surface level seem

01:19:40.000 to be good for the poor and working class, but are actually just good for consolidating

01:19:44.000 power among small corporate entities, sell are large corporate entities but a small number of

01:19:49.000 people.

01:19:50.000 Corporate enemies.

01:19:50.000 So one example, corporate enemies.

01:19:52.000 I like that.

01:19:52.000 Was that a slip?

01:19:53.000 But one example would be like Walmart.

01:19:56.000 There were instances of Walmart lobbying for minimum wage increases in certain areas because their competitors could not handle a minimum wage increase, and they could.

01:20:03.000 So it would put ma and pa shops out of business.

01:20:05.000 Right.

01:20:06.000 Yeah, we see, you know, like Starbucks will open a Starbucks next to a mom-and-pop shop and then lower their prices to ridiculous, below-cost numbers because they're subsidized.

01:20:15.000 The mom-and-pop shop collapses and then, you know, Starbucks takes over.

01:20:19.000 Takes over the area.

01:20:20.000 Squeezes them out.

01:20:21.000 Yep.

01:20:22.000 Yeah, it's not good.

01:20:22.000 We can't function that way.

01:20:24.000 I don't know how you solve problems like this.

01:20:26.000 Right, because as soon as you get the government involved in telling a company what it can and can't charge, people freak out and call it fascism or socialism.

01:20:32.000 I'll tell you what one of the problems is.

01:20:34.000 I think the easiest way to identify one of our biggest political problems is the leftist argument that for every one homeless person there are ten empty homes.

01:20:45.000 Then they say homelessness is a choice our society makes.

01:20:48.000 Because these are like, imagine you go to a little kid who's never actually owned a house, repaired a house, remodeled a house, dealt with utilities or plumbing and sewage pipe leaks. 1.00

01:21:00.000 They're just like, it's so dumb. 0.97

01:21:02.000 If there's a house, just put a homeless person in it. 0.99

01:21:05.000 And that's a bunch of leftist activism.

01:21:08.000 And then actually having worked with homeless shelters, Going to them and explaining someone has to do work to maintain the house.

01:21:15.000 The lawn has to be mowed.

01:21:17.000 The utilities have to be regularly maintained.

01:21:20.000 Someone has to make sure the house doesn't burn down.

01:21:22.000 Who's going to do all of that work?

01:21:24.000 How do you just put someone in a house?

01:21:27.000 Now, when you have empty investment properties, I'm not a big fan of people just buying up houses, driving up prices, and then no one uses them.

01:21:31.000 I want people to use houses.

01:21:33.000 But when no one's in it, nothing's happening, you'll get like a caretaker once a month to go in and just make sure everything's fine.

01:21:38.000 So there's no dilapidation.

01:21:39.000 There's no collapse.

01:21:41.000 However, They need to make sure that the utility pipes don't burst and fires don't start.

01:21:45.000 But you put a person who's not responsible for their lives, to a certain degree, in a house, and then the house starts falling apart, and then what, the house catches fire and burns other people's houses down?

01:21:55.000 It just doesn't make sense.

01:21:56.000 And if we have a society where people just can only come up with these most simplistic and surface-level solutions that aren't actually solutions, that's what we're getting policy-wise.

01:22:06.000 There's a bunch of starving people!

01:22:07.000 I know!

01:22:07.000 Let's feed them!

01:22:09.000 And what do you do tomorrow?

01:22:10.000 Feed them again! 0.94

01:22:12.000 Just keep feeding them!

01:22:13.000 You're not solving the problem.

01:22:15.000 Raise the voting age to 30,000.

01:22:16.000 I don't disagree.

01:22:18.000 There's an argument to be made for that.

01:22:20.000 I actually, I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't disagree.

01:22:22.000 There's an argument to be made for that because when the voting age, I mean,

01:22:25.000 previously the voting age was what?

01:22:26.000 21.

01:22:27.000 And early in our country's history, I mean, you were out on your own paying

01:22:32.000 your way by the time you were 16 or so.

01:22:34.000 So once you got to 21, you had multiple years of real-world experience caring for yourself and possibly even a family.

01:22:39.000 In fact, likely a family by the time you were 21.

01:22:42.000 And so you, A, had a vested stake in society and, B, quite a good amount of experience at that point.

01:22:47.000 Now, 18-year-olds, vote, who have never lived on their own, have never held on a job, certainly aren't raising families in the vast majority of circumstances, and if they are, Well, yeah, yeah, generally speaking.

01:22:58.000 I mean, no, I should say it's good that they keep the kid, though, and don't kill it, but I'll say this.

01:23:04.000 It's unbelievably bizarre that there are people who actually want to push the voting age down to 16, that this is something that was even being discussed.

01:23:09.000 Right, well, I mean, it's cynical, and it's just pure polit— I mean, I'm also— Who wants uninformed voters?

01:23:13.000 Right.

01:23:14.000 Who wants uninformed voters?

01:23:15.000 Democrats do.

01:23:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:23:16.000 And I mean, I'm also somewhat cynical.

01:23:18.000 Like, I realize that most of these schemes are designed to increase the number of Democrat voters, so I'm perfectly happy to entertain schemes that will increase the number of Republican voters.

01:23:25.000 Or make Republicans more do you think we should have a maximum voting age?

01:23:28.000 No, no, we're 31 older people vote Republican. Why would I why would I want to exclude my own voters?

01:23:34.000 I think people that are very old are out of touch with how society works, especially when you look at currency law 1.00

01:23:39.000 I mean, maybe that's you maybe the way that maybe society.

01:23:41.000 Yeah, but maybe they have wisdom. Yeah, maybe that's maybe they

01:23:45.000 Maybe they're definitely out of touch with the way says technology functions

01:23:50.000 Sure, but a lot of voters are and they're also out of touch with everything else, too

01:23:55.000 So how about out of touch with technology?

01:23:58.000 Sorry, just let me interject because I have worked with older people.

01:24:00.000 Someone being out of touch with technology does not make them less wise, less interesting.

01:24:05.000 It does not give them less interesting stories.

01:24:07.000 I think that older people should continue to have a say in our community as long as they're able to like things.

01:24:12.000 I learned so much from my dad.

01:24:13.000 It's amazing.

01:24:14.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:24:15.000 And it's funny when I talk about, you know, because he was around during, for example, the civil rights debate.

01:24:20.000 He was around and was cognizant, remembers the arguments people were making.

01:24:23.000 And so it's funny when he hears people saying, they're a private company, Facebook and Twitter are private companies, they can do what they want.

01:24:29.000 He's like, that sounds a lot like the arguments people made about the restaurants.

01:24:33.000 Freedom of association, First Amendment rights.

01:24:35.000 We think it's ridiculous now, but that's a legit argument that the Goldwater types were making in the 1960s. 1.00

01:24:40.000 The Civil Rights Act was a violation of the First Amendment.

01:24:42.000 I think I might have a solution.

01:24:45.000 What if we took maybe, like, a light, some kind of light beacon, and we installed it into people's hands, and then what happens is, as they start nearing 30, it changes color, and then right around the time they're 30, it starts flashing red, so we know they're 30.

01:25:02.000 They're expired.

01:25:03.000 And then, you know, pluck them and put them in a voting booth.

01:25:06.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.90

01:25:22.000 They have the things in their hands and like the light turns red and it's like you're 30 so they're gonna kill you now or whatever.

01:25:27.000 Can people that are like suffering from dementia, Alzheimer's vote?

01:25:31.000 Yes.

01:25:31.000 Can people that are like mentally afflicted and other, you know... Yes, yes.

01:25:36.000 They can vote.

01:25:37.000 So people can be... Can someone that's on a machine considered in a vegetative state?

01:25:41.000 No.

01:25:42.000 They're not legally allowed to vote?

01:25:44.000 How would they?

01:25:44.000 I don't know, but are they legally allowed?

01:25:47.000 There has to be a volitional act, I would assume.

01:25:50.000 So they gotta do it with their own hands.

01:25:51.000 Demented people... If you are diagnosed... One of them is president. 1.00

01:25:55.000 I didn't say that.

01:25:57.000 Yes, they can vote, bro!

01:26:00.000 One of them is literally running the country.

01:26:02.000 Yes, they can vote.

01:26:03.000 I wouldn't say he's running the country.

01:26:04.000 Yeah, fair enough.

01:26:05.000 But he's sitting in the chair.

01:26:06.000 Ostensibly running the country.

01:26:08.000 Ostensibly.

01:26:11.000 Oh, man.

01:26:11.000 What were you saying?

01:26:12.000 If somebody is, like, diagnosed demented, they're not gonna vote.

01:26:15.000 But they can legally.

01:26:17.000 Right?

01:26:18.000 I don't know about that.

01:26:19.000 And they can vote wherever someone tells them.

01:26:21.000 What I mean is, if somebody is in their house, and they're clearly mentally unwell, and they get a mail-in ballot, they're gonna send it in.

01:26:27.000 It's gonna count.

01:26:27.000 Yeah.

01:26:29.000 So you can make whatever laws you want.

01:26:30.000 There are a lot of people who are crazy who are roaming the streets and living lives. 0.66

01:26:34.000 Right. 0.90

01:26:35.000 For example, those people who are wearing, like, multiple masks and, like, doing things like that.

01:26:38.000 Yeah, it was never about mental wellness, letting people vote, right?

01:26:41.000 It was about ownership of land.

01:26:43.000 I think, you know, Ian makes a great point.

01:26:44.000 If we were to maybe pass a law saying, like, legitimately, if you have a mental illness, you can't vote, all the Democrats would be gone.

01:26:53.000 Hold on, hold on, I'm not joking. 0.99

01:26:55.000 By the data, they're much more mentally ill, more likely to have mental health issues. 0.87

01:26:58.000 Substantially higher to be diagnosed with mental health issues. 0.95

01:27:01.000 The further left you go.

01:27:02.000 They would probably say we're more likely to admit it and seek treatment.

01:27:04.000 It doesn't matter.

01:27:05.000 It doesn't matter.

01:27:06.000 Listen, you know, I'll tell you what- Come on, but we all know- You wanna know one of the craziest things ever?

01:27:11.000 I was in California, I was on Venice Beach, and there was a guy and they do these things where they want people to get their weed cards.

01:27:17.000 And this dude was just like, yo, he's like, hey man, you get your weed card yet?

01:27:21.000 And I was like, I don't need or want one.

01:27:23.000 And he's like, oh, you gotta get your medical card, man.

01:27:26.000 How do you know?

01:27:26.000 I mean, have you talked to a doctor?

01:27:28.000 And I was like, I have nothing to talk to a doctor about.

01:27:30.000 He's like, oh, well, you skateboard?

01:27:31.000 I was like, yeah.

01:27:31.000 And he's like, your knees hurt?

01:27:32.000 And I was like, sometimes.

01:27:33.000 Oh, man, you gotta get a weed card.

01:27:35.000 Here's the crazy thing.

01:27:37.000 It's because they were trying to sell medicinal marijuana, right?

01:27:40.000 If you get that card, you can't legally own guns anymore.

01:27:42.000 So these kids, because then you fill out the form saying that you do drugs.

01:27:49.000 Imagine some young kid who doesn't know sees the guy say, five bucks, weed card, and goes, okay, boom, you lose your

01:27:54.000 Second Amendment rights.

01:27:55.000 That's creepy stuff.

01:27:56.000 Yeah, mental illness is a dangerous term.

01:27:59.000 Right.

01:28:00.000 Taking away people's rights by claiming they're unwell or whatever.

01:28:02.000 But anyway, it is true statistically that the further left you go, the higher rates of mental illness they see.

01:28:08.000 I would imagine extremes in any direction.

01:28:11.000 Also, a left-wing mentality doesn't encourage virtuous or healthy living at all.

01:28:17.000 Can you define that?

01:28:21.000 Taking pride in your work, attempting to contribute to society best you can, caring for your family, having a strong faith in God, loving your neighbors.

01:28:29.000 I mean, these are the things that have made people, we won't quite say happy, but have given their lives meaning for millennia.

01:28:36.000 And we're just told that these are vestiges from a time before we had a deep understanding of the world and now we can discard it all and reform man into whatever it is the current left-wing orthodoxy says he should be.

01:28:48.000 I see.

01:28:49.000 Well, they're constantly pushing us forward to more edgy and interesting things, if you will.

01:28:52.000 They're progressing us.

01:28:54.000 They haven't really told us what they're progressing us toward, but they are in fact progressing us, and that means that we can't do things the old boring way.

01:29:01.000 That means the nuclear family is passé.

01:29:04.000 That's not really interesting to be a parent.

01:29:06.000 That you would rather be a feminist, and if you're a woman, go work in an office just like a man. 1.00

01:29:10.000 Be a second-rate man.

01:29:11.000 That's great, right?

01:29:12.000 It's new.

01:29:12.000 It's different.

01:29:13.000 We don't like the old way of doing things.

01:29:14.000 We just want something Can I just mention this in case my answer didn't suffice?

01:29:21.000 There's one point I want to throw in here in case I wasn't as clear as I could have been, or in case this bears stating what I meant.

01:29:28.000 Humans have historically, generally, what is normal and good for a man is to, in most cases, get married, raise a family, care for his wife and children, right?

01:29:41.000 And now our society has completely subverted gender roles, not just in terms of the transgender question, but also the family structure of the home, the headship of the man as the father and head of the household.

01:29:50.000 And of course, we have an economy which doesn't support a single family income the way it used to.

01:29:58.000 But I think more or less left-wing people are far more likely to voluntarily embrace the kind of lifestyle which rejects family life.

01:30:06.000 And I think that's really bad for mental health.

01:30:08.000 The question is, will it lead to the destruction of our society and civilization, or not, right?

01:30:17.000 So, there's constant arguments about... Well, what?

01:30:19.000 So, conservatives are famous for saying what?

01:30:22.000 Stop, right?

01:30:23.000 Is that the saying?

01:30:24.000 Standing athwart history.

01:30:25.000 That's Buckley.

01:30:26.000 Standing athwart history, yelling stop.

01:30:29.000 So you have a big argument right now in the culture war, and it's progressive versus traditional.

01:30:34.000 And the right tends to be more traditional, the left tends to be more progressive.

01:30:38.000 The problem I see right now is the left is like, they're so far left in terms of the idea of progress that they're falling off the cliff.

01:30:45.000 And they're like, slow down guys, this is crazy.

01:30:48.000 But the question I suppose is, for what?

01:30:52.000 For both sides, for progressives and for conservatives.

01:30:55.000 Like, state your case, for what?

01:30:57.000 Everything you just said, what's the end goal of that?

01:30:59.000 What is the outcome of that?

01:31:01.000 I mean, family is built atop the family, so we need a strong family unit.

01:31:05.000 So the end goal is just for people to have families for the sake of having families?

01:31:08.000 Well, no, I mean, having a family is a good thing.

01:31:10.000 And I think that having a family is, in some ways, its own justification.

01:31:14.000 I would give other more robust theological reasons, but family is good and people should have them.

01:31:17.000 Human flourishing, right?

01:31:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:31:19.000 Creating the next generation.

01:31:20.000 Contributing, yeah.

01:31:22.000 Is what you're proposing going to lead to a better, healthier society?

01:31:25.000 Absolutely, yes.

01:31:27.000 That's the ultimate question.

01:31:27.000 I think that's Burke, isn't it?

01:31:29.000 And I forget exactly who said human flourishing is the goal.

01:31:31.000 I think it was Burke.

01:31:31.000 Might have been Russell Kirk or somebody.

01:31:33.000 Yeah, I think human success and longevity is the goal.

01:31:37.000 I think what we see from the left doesn't give us that.

01:31:40.000 I don't think the right has all the answers.

01:31:42.000 I think we need some reforms across the board in terms of this country.

01:31:44.000 But you end up with a modern establishment left that is, I'll tell you this, the Democrats, they're not progressives, like, as a whole.

01:31:51.000 They are some kind of weird twisted power structure of neo-corporate fascist something or other.

01:31:56.000 The progressives are, yeah.

01:31:58.000 Sorry, I just wanted to bring up how, like, Cory Booker went up, got up and made fun of Black Lives Matter and said, how dare anybody suggest we would defund the police?

01:32:05.000 And I just literally, Black Lives Matter on the Twitter account, like, lit them up.

01:32:10.000 No one in the Senate supports our revolutionary movement.

01:32:12.000 And you're like, cue the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme.

01:32:15.000 Right, that was hilarious.

01:32:17.000 But the progressives propose insane things that will only tear down and destroy.

01:32:20.000 Not completely.

01:32:22.000 I'll put it this way.

01:32:22.000 Here's what I see.

01:32:23.000 Right now, you have progressives on the left, and it's like a tendency versus the rule.

01:32:28.000 Exceptions versus the rule.

01:32:29.000 The rule on the left is that they're going to propose things that make very little sense in the long run.

01:32:34.000 Notably, like, we want universal healthcare, and also stop fat-shaming.

01:32:38.000 It's like, okay, listen.

01:32:39.000 If you want everybody to pay for healthcare, but you're also saying no personal responsibility in your healthcare, then you're going to have a system collapse.

01:32:47.000 The right, I think, for now, it's inverted.

01:32:49.000 It's more so the rule that conservatives are going to say, hey, these things have worked and they will work, and it's the exception when they propose things that are bad and don't, right?

01:32:56.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:32:58.000 What I'm seeing right now is establishment Democrats are, give me corporate power, I don't care about anything else.

01:33:05.000 Progressives are, just put homeless people in homes, problem solved.

01:33:09.000 And then conservatives are like, well, here, this was working, let's keep doing that.

01:33:12.000 And I'm like, that actually makes sense for now.

01:33:15.000 But I don't think... Yeah, it's not working.

01:33:17.000 If you look at it economically, it's not working.

01:33:18.000 Like, to sit still and watch this train head towards the cliff is not the way to go.

01:33:22.000 But that's not what they're saying.

01:33:22.000 Well, actually, you can put it better.

01:33:24.000 Because you're actually a conservative.

01:33:26.000 Like, what we're trying to accomplish with... With the economy, right?

01:33:29.000 So, like, Ian's argument is you're saying, stop the economy now, even though it's not working.

01:33:32.000 Specifically that Republicans in Congress are doing that, not you necessarily, but what... They're saying, stop the economy?

01:33:37.000 No, they're just saying, don't change it.

01:33:39.000 We don't really need to do too much.

01:33:40.000 They're kind of hands-off.

01:33:41.000 Well, I mean, that's sort of like a, like a, I guess a Lindy-type argument.

01:33:45.000 right? Like the longer things last the more likely they are to be effective and

01:33:48.000 certain, you know, and good and, you know, evolutionarily sound. But I mean in

01:33:54.000 general I guess the conservative approach is sort of prudence, right? So

01:33:58.000 there's prudence is a big part of it, you know, like don't do things you don't know

01:34:02.000 about. Tradition has its own value.

01:34:05.000 Yes.

01:34:06.000 Like Chesterton's Fence, I don't know if you're familiar with that.

01:34:08.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:34:08.000 Okay, you know Chesterton's Fence.

01:34:10.000 What's that?

01:34:11.000 It's just a really simple concept, right?

01:34:12.000 Chesterton had some great quote.

01:34:13.000 He's like, if you don't understand why a fence was put up, then don't take it down.

01:34:16.000 Yes!

01:34:18.000 Which seems pretty straightforward.

01:34:19.000 Right, like somebody put up the fence for a reason.

01:34:21.000 I think they know why all the fences are put up.

01:34:24.000 It was to oppress somebody.

01:34:26.000 It's for power.

01:34:27.000 We have a blender downstairs.

01:34:29.000 Oh my.

01:34:29.000 Okay?

01:34:30.000 And the blender is, you've got the actual machine that you plug in the wall, you've got the pitcher, the lid, and the blade.

01:34:36.000 And for some reason, people take each part and put it in a different part of the house!

01:34:40.000 Oh, neurotic.

01:34:42.000 That's the worst form of neurotic.

01:34:44.000 Why?

01:34:44.000 Who does that?

01:34:44.000 If you don't know what it is, don't move it!

01:34:47.000 He's speaking to you.

01:34:48.000 Look, I thought it was funny at the time.

01:34:50.000 I mean, it's good work.

01:34:53.000 So you're mad about it.

01:34:55.000 The blender blade was with the crockpot in the Lazy Susan.

01:34:58.000 Why?

01:34:58.000 That's a mess.

01:34:59.000 Because someone saw it and said, I don't know what it is.

01:35:01.000 I'll put it down here.

01:35:02.000 The pitcher was like in the upper cabinet, in the pantry.

01:35:06.000 The machine, the actual blender base was sitting there, but then I couldn't find the lid anywhere.

01:35:10.000 Because someone saw the lid and said, I don't know what this goes to, so I'll move it.

01:35:13.000 You're experiencing the beginnings of a society.

01:35:15.000 It's the chaos of bringing a bunch of people together without an ordered, lawyered system in place.

01:35:21.000 If you don't know what it is, don't touch it.

01:35:24.000 There's a purple, quivering mass vibrating on the ground.

01:35:30.000 I'm gonna touch it!

01:35:30.000 No!

01:35:31.000 No!

01:35:31.000 Don't touch it!

01:35:32.000 What's going on with this thing?

01:35:34.000 How am I gonna know what it is if I don't taste it?

01:35:36.000 I mean...

01:35:37.000 And there we go, the beginning of society.

01:35:40.000 What are you guys doing around here?

01:35:42.000 It's a wild ride, Wilf.

01:35:43.000 Do you guys know what star jelly is?

01:35:45.000 No.

01:35:46.000 I almost don't want to.

01:35:47.000 So we went outside a couple days ago, and I noticed something on the ground that looked like slush.

01:35:52.000 It's 90 degrees outside.

01:35:54.000 It looked like slush.

01:35:55.000 No joke.

01:35:56.000 It looked like, in every possible way, a chunk of slushy ice, and there was water pooling around it.

01:36:03.000 And I was like, why is there ice on the ground?

01:36:05.000 Where did this come from?

01:36:06.000 I'm looking around.

01:36:07.000 And then I walked over and then like I poked and it was goo.

01:36:10.000 It was a weird goo.

01:36:11.000 I saw that.

01:36:13.000 But this wasn't, there was no animals that had moved by.

01:36:15.000 Like nothing, it was our walkway where we're constantly going around and at some point somehow it appeared there and we didn't know why.

01:36:22.000 And I guess there's something called star jelly that people think is like, it comes from meteorites or something.

01:36:28.000 So it was there, and it was in a Ziploc bag, and Andreas was telling me about it.

01:36:31.000 And my default rule is just never believe anything that Andreas says, ever.

01:36:38.000 I don't know Andreas that well, but I do know... To fact check every year.

01:36:44.000 He knows the kind of person.

01:36:45.000 And we love Andreas, we love Andreas.

01:36:47.000 But it's in this little plastic bag, and he's like, It fell from the clouds, dude.

01:36:54.000 I was like, you bought Silly Putty and you put it on the ground.

01:36:59.000 But now Tim is saying he saw a similar thing.

01:37:02.000 I'm not saying it was star jelly.

01:37:04.000 I think that it was.

01:37:05.000 I'm looking at pictures of it.

01:37:06.000 Is it this white, gooey kind of star jelly?

01:37:10.000 If you don't know what it is, don't touch it.

01:37:12.000 Or eat it.

01:37:14.000 I'll tell you a funny story, right?

01:37:15.000 So my dad was a firefighter and he told me this story about how one day they get a call for a tanker spill or something.

01:37:20.000 And one of the, I guess, fire department employees pulls up in their vehicle and drives through a large puddle with tape around it because they didn't know or care what it was.

01:37:32.000 It was acetone.

01:37:33.000 Oh no!

01:37:34.000 It dissolves plastic?

01:37:35.000 Yeah, it's a corrosive.

01:37:36.000 Oh my gosh.

01:37:36.000 And so they were like, why would you do this?

01:37:38.000 I was like, I don't know.

01:37:39.000 I didn't know what was going on.

01:37:40.000 It's like, well maybe you should stop because there's fire trucks here and be like, is something happening?

01:37:45.000 What's going...

01:37:47.000 I guess not.

01:37:48.000 I heard, so I heard a similar story my sister told me when I was a kid and reflecting upon it it sounds like it could be completely made up but I'm gonna tell it anyway because it's interesting but apparently there were some kids like just driving into piles of leaves in our area because they thought it was fun and then I guess there's like a homeless dude sleeping in one of the piles.

01:38:03.000 Oh yeah dude.

01:38:04.000 There was a story in Illinois where a kid was in the alley and he was in a box.

01:38:09.000 He took a box and he went inside it and then a car drove through the alley and ran it over.

01:38:13.000 And so the driver, he got arrested and charged.

01:38:15.000 I think it was like negligent homicide or something.

01:38:17.000 Cause they were like, don't run over boxes.

01:38:20.000 Don't run over a random thing.

01:38:21.000 If you don't know what's in a random thing, don't destroy it.

01:38:23.000 Yeah.

01:38:24.000 My dad said that too.

01:38:26.000 My dad said he hit a plastic bag that was lying on the road.

01:38:29.000 He's like, there was like a brick in that thing.

01:38:31.000 I almost flattened my tire and I was like, you gotta be careful.

01:38:33.000 When you see a box, the first thing you do, again, you need to know what it is.

01:38:35.000 The first thing you do is you taste it.

01:38:37.000 You jump up and down on it.

01:38:38.000 This tastes like cardboard.

01:38:40.000 This is star jelly, maybe originating from the glands and the oviducts of frogs and toads.

01:38:45.000 Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.

01:38:46.000 This was a huge pile.

01:38:48.000 A lot of frogs.

01:38:49.000 And it was our walk away by the door.

01:38:50.000 There was no frogs anywhere near.

01:38:51.000 We were jumping on the trampoline.

01:38:53.000 Anyway, Super Chats.

01:38:55.000 Yeah, we're late.

01:38:55.000 Ladies and gentlemen, smash that like button.

01:38:57.000 You know, this is, we introed as ShimCast.

01:39:00.000 This is ShimCast, thank you for your Super Chats.

01:39:02.000 And Seamus didn't tell anybody to smash the like button.

01:39:04.000 I did.

01:39:04.000 I said specifically, smash the like button, subscribe, send in Super Chats.

01:39:08.000 Did you?

01:39:09.000 This is our debut ShimCast.

01:39:10.000 Of course, I... You did not say that.

01:39:12.000 No, you didn't.

01:39:12.000 I can't lie.

01:39:13.000 I won't lie to you on my own podcast, but I will tell you this.

01:39:18.000 We are crushing it with the likes right now.

01:39:20.000 Sick. 0.67

01:39:21.000 Look at this. 0.91

01:39:22.000 We're up to almost 7,000 likes.

01:39:24.000 Ladies and gentlemen, let's get ShimCast IRL up to 10,000 likes for this episode.

01:39:28.000 The most liked episode ever.

01:39:30.000 The most liked episode of ShimCast.

01:39:32.000 We're gonna do it tonight.

01:39:33.000 I think you'd need like 50,000 or 60,000 to be honest.

01:39:37.000 So you're acknowledging all the previously high-liked episodes were ShimCast.

01:39:40.000 No, I'm saying ShimCast will never... 10,000 likes, you heard it here.

01:39:43.000 We're getting 10,000 likes on this ShimCast episode.

01:39:45.000 Won't be our most liked, but we'll give it a shot.

01:39:47.000 Let's read these Super Chats. 0.92

01:39:48.000 We got... Ethan Simon says, Tim, it's not just inflation, it's immigration too.

01:39:53.000 Immigration increases the population of the consumer base.

01:39:56.000 More people, more demand.

01:39:57.000 More demand, higher prices.

01:39:58.000 That's a really good point.

01:40:00.000 Especially when we're talking about the slow-motion collapse of this country, not only are Biden's policies driving up gas prices and consumer prices, he also brought in 1.2 million illegal immigrants this year.

01:40:10.000 That's insane.

01:40:11.000 I'll tell you this, and I always stress this, I love me immigration.

01:40:14.000 I think we're lucky when we get immigrants coming to this country because the smart and talented people and the hard workers come from other countries, but it's got to be a legal process.

01:40:21.000 We can't just be like, wander through the desert for 90 miles because then people die.

01:40:25.000 Yes.

01:40:25.000 Well, and also on top of it, I've said this in the past, it is such ridiculous framing to call somebody anti-immigration or anti-immigrant if they're against illegal immigration.

01:40:32.000 The entire point is we want an apparatus set up so that we know who's coming into the country, because you can't just literally let anyone and everyone in at all times. 0.63

01:40:40.000 But if you say that, you're some kind of bigoted neo-Nazi who just...

01:40:42.000 It's covertly motivated by a hatred towards Hispanic people.

01:40:45.000 That's the only reason you could think there would be any point in vetting people before coming into our country. 0.95

01:40:49.000 The media is sort of... No one in the world is dangerous.

01:40:51.000 They've framed it like they're refugees a lot of this time, and I think people have kind of subconsciously believed that they're refugees fleeing here.

01:40:58.000 That's a big problem.

01:40:59.000 The Cubans aren't refugees.

01:41:00.000 I want to mention this, too.

01:41:01.000 Yes, absolutely they are.

01:41:03.000 I want to mention this, too, because I mentioned some immigrants being dangerous. 1.00

01:41:06.000 It's not even about dangerous, either.

01:41:07.000 Obviously, every nation has a right to regulate the number of people entering the country if it starts to impact the standard of living for the other person.

01:41:13.000 And a duty.

01:41:13.000 Not just a right.

01:41:14.000 A duty.

01:41:15.000 Amen.

01:41:16.000 Yes.

01:41:16.000 All right.

01:41:17.000 Vanessa Stuller says, love it.

01:41:19.000 Shim cast. 0.96

01:41:19.000 He who wears the suit. 0.96

01:41:21.000 That's right, we gotta put the blazer back on.

01:41:24.000 The reason Tim started reading the superchats and talking about how this was actually some other podcast is because I wasn't wearing the blazer, so it's back on.

01:41:31.000 GothicExtravaganza says, Shamus looks good in a suit.

01:41:34.000 Now if only he'd shave that scruff off of his face.

01:41:36.000 Don't do it.

01:41:37.000 Then he'd more look like a proper elder in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

01:41:40.000 First of all- The most true church.

01:41:42.000 Why would I?

01:41:43.000 What?

01:41:43.000 Are you kidding me?

01:41:44.000 He's baiting me.

01:41:45.000 That's what they said.

01:41:46.000 He's baiting me.

01:41:47.000 You know, the one true holy Catholic apostolic church.

01:41:49.000 I'm just Roman Catholic.

01:41:50.000 That is the one true church.

01:41:52.000 And let me tell you, to this super chatter, first of all, the scruff's not going anywhere, alright?

01:41:58.000 I'm a disheveled cartoonist.

01:41:59.000 That's the whole thing.

01:42:00.000 I don't want people to think I clean up nice or anything.

01:42:03.000 This is important.

01:42:03.000 Bryce Wilson says, My wife works at an Amazon warehouse in Arizona.

01:42:07.000 She was just told today that all workers have to use gender-neutral pronouns at her building.

01:42:11.000 Is there anything she can do to push back?

01:42:14.000 No, and she shouldn't push back.

01:42:16.000 She should accept using gender-neutral pronouns.

01:42:18.000 I prefer the word floorboat.

01:42:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:42:20.000 That's Tim.

01:42:20.000 I thought you were Z.

01:42:22.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:42:23.000 So Florbo is the word we use when we don't want to accidentally misgender somebody.

01:42:28.000 Because if you go to a conservative and you're not sure, and you try to use non-traditional pronouns, you could offend them.

01:42:35.000 But if you go to a leftist and use traditional pronouns, you could offend them.

01:42:38.000 What's the one neutral way to do it?

01:42:40.000 Remove yourself from the system entirely and say, Florbo is completely gender neutral, and I'm doing it to make sure I never disrespect anybody.

01:42:48.000 But I mean, if someone is completely wrong, I'm fine with them being offended if I say something that's right.

01:42:53.000 Like, you're a he, and that person's a he, and I'm not gonna be gender neutral. 0.98

01:42:56.000 This person's in a workplace, and the company says, you must use gender neutral pronouns, but you don't know which pronoun somebody wants, or, if they're comfortable, so just say, Florbo.

01:43:06.000 Perfect.

01:43:06.000 Because if they're like, what does that mean?

01:43:09.000 It's just a gender neutral pronoun.

01:43:10.000 For everybody.

01:43:11.000 And then, there you go.

01:43:13.000 Problem solved.

01:43:14.000 Will, as a lawyer, what is the legal precedent for this?

01:43:17.000 There is, I mean, there's a bizarre interpretation of the Civil Rights Act, I believe it was.

01:43:23.000 The best kind of interpretation.

01:43:24.000 Or the Equal Protection Act, I think.

01:43:27.000 Or the Equal Rights, I forget.

01:43:29.000 I'm not really, really up on my gender law.

01:43:32.000 That's pretty messed up.

01:43:33.000 Yeah, that's not right.

01:43:36.000 Do better.

01:43:36.000 Look, I tried to say this yesterday.

01:43:38.000 I said that we just don't give Caitlyn Jenner enough credit for being the first woman to win the Men's Decathlon.

01:43:42.000 I know, it's true.

01:43:44.000 Like, she just doesn't get enough credit.

01:43:45.000 It's really impressive.

01:43:46.000 Agreed.

01:43:47.000 It's because he's a man.

01:43:48.000 Whoa, whoa.

01:43:49.000 Okay, let's read.

01:43:52.000 Donald Dixon says, Tim, I can't find a way to join by using my debit card.

01:43:56.000 Is that not an option?

01:43:57.000 Sick of YouTube and want to be a member.

01:43:59.000 All of you are awesome.

01:44:00.000 Lids is amazing.

01:44:02.000 I don't know why that would be an issue.

01:44:03.000 I'm pretty sure you can join if you go to TimCast.com and sign up.

01:44:06.000 That should be fine.

01:44:08.000 Maybe there's an error?

01:44:09.000 I don't know.

01:44:10.000 I don't want to be like, check your account balance, but check your account balance.

01:44:14.000 Also, this is important.

01:44:16.000 At the beginning of ShimCast IRL, I said we were not going to be respectful to Lydia anymore, and he said Lydia rocks.

01:44:22.000 Oh, okay.

01:44:22.000 I'm sorry.

01:44:23.000 I can't accept that.

01:44:24.000 Same with Ian.

01:44:26.000 Lydia does rock.

01:44:27.000 Juan R. Ayala says, shout out to Seamus.

01:44:30.000 I've been a proud supporter of his work when he was just a smelly libertarian with no girlfriend and lived with his parents.

01:44:37.000 Thank you so much.

01:44:38.000 Come a long way, man.

01:44:38.000 Why'd you have to remind people about that chapter in my life?

01:44:40.000 Smelly libertarian.

01:44:41.000 We all have the libertarian thing.

01:44:44.000 You know, everybody's made that huge mistake and then just gets over it.

01:44:48.000 Well, let me tell you, thank you so much for supporting me over these years.

01:44:51.000 And now I have my own ShimCast IRL channel with a million subscribers.

01:44:55.000 It's impressive.

01:44:56.000 You've done well.

01:44:57.000 Thank you.

01:44:57.000 Very quick, too.

01:44:58.000 I didn't hear about you before, so the fact that you got to a million this fast is just remarkable.

01:45:01.000 You literally didn't hear about me until the day you were doing my podcast.

01:45:03.000 It's unbelievable.

01:45:04.000 Amazing.

01:45:06.000 Except for the other time we met here.

01:45:07.000 Back when it was Tim.

01:45:10.000 Things have gotten better.

01:45:12.000 Thank you, I appreciate that.

01:45:13.000 Ryan Burkavile says, I work at a local factory.

01:45:17.000 We are currently 80 short and so desperate we started hiring part-time with flexible hours.

01:45:22.000 Wow.

01:45:22.000 Interesting.

01:45:24.000 Sorta I can't read your name says urban secession make us mega cities unincorporated u.s.

01:45:29.000 Autonomous territories Well, no, I've always said that the best way to deal with California is to let it secede and then occupy it And then we can strip it of its electoral votes that would solve and also maybe just put Peter Thiel in charge There's nothing wrong with California that a dictatorial Peter Thiel wouldn't listen Dolly Lance says, my daughter got a new job and gave two weeks at her grocery store. 0.84

01:45:48.000 The store is short on employees.

01:45:50.000 The manager cried and begged her to still work at the store on her days off from the other job.

01:45:53.000 Wow.

01:45:54.000 That's rough.

01:45:55.000 Just shut her down, man. 0.85

01:45:57.000 Just that.

01:45:57.000 That's it.

01:45:58.000 Shut it down.

01:45:59.000 You know, it'd be really interesting.

01:46:02.000 There's like one grocery store within a few miles of here.

01:46:04.000 What would happen if one day people shut up and it was closed?

01:46:07.000 And it said, we have no staff anymore.

01:46:09.000 The store no longer operates.

01:46:11.000 Where will people go?

01:46:12.000 Uber Eats, man.

01:46:13.000 What will happen?

01:46:15.000 Drive 10 N. It's more to the Walmart or something, I assume.

01:46:20.000 And then the big business?

01:46:21.000 This is a big chain grocery store.

01:46:24.000 Like, I'm saying, like, what happens if we get to the point where they're just, like, a bunch of them shut down in an area and people have no store to go to to get food?

01:46:31.000 They're coming for your chickens. 0.91

01:46:33.000 Tim will protect those chickens.

01:46:36.000 Will a mom and pop open a building and say, look at this, people are desperate, we're gonna make a ton of money!

01:46:41.000 And then order groceries and have a little store and then it'll grow again and then they'll hire people.

01:46:45.000 Maybe.

01:46:46.000 Or it'll just be small mom-and-pop stores.

01:46:49.000 Because they want to work.

01:46:49.000 I don't think we're headed in that direction, though.

01:46:51.000 I think it's the exact opposite.

01:46:52.000 It's the giant businesses that are going to dominate the market.

01:46:55.000 But who wants to work for them?

01:46:56.000 Drone delivery.

01:46:58.000 Amazon.

01:46:59.000 They own Whole Foods.

01:47:00.000 People want to work for small mom-and-pop shops even less.

01:47:03.000 Even though I think people are generally more ideologically on board with them.

01:47:06.000 They're more comfortable working for small business owners rather than a large conglomerate.

01:47:10.000 They usually can't pay any better, and generally speaking, they don't pay as well.

01:47:14.000 They're not able to provide the same benefits either.

01:47:17.000 They can't compete with the big guys.

01:47:18.000 There's definitely benefits to size, especially when it comes to things like benefits and HR.

01:47:24.000 Dave from Colorado says, My wife and I listen every night.

01:47:26.000 Yesterday was Jessica and my 9th wedding anniversary.

01:47:29.000 Could you please have everyone wish Jessica a happy anniversary from her loving husband, Dave?

01:47:34.000 Thank you.

01:47:35.000 Happy anniversary, Jessica.

01:47:37.000 From Dave.

01:47:38.000 Dave seems like a wonderful guy.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, he does.

01:47:41.000 Dave, you do.

01:47:41.000 Good for you guys.

01:47:42.000 A warm ShimCast IRL happy anniversary.

01:47:45.000 That's right.

01:47:46.000 Yes, correct.

01:47:46.000 It's powerful.

01:47:47.000 Adam Lee says, after 1,000 shoutouts for plumbers, I had to say thanks for recognizing plumbers and construction workers in general.

01:47:54.000 A lot of us have been working this entire pandemic and are treated as though we do not know the risk.

01:47:59.000 I'm telling you, man, when the plumbers, when there's a plumber shortage, people are going to revolt.

01:48:05.000 Yes.

01:48:06.000 Fast.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, like you fast that's one of those things that you don't think about very much until you need a plumber. Yeah

01:48:13.000 Really glad that they will take your money to do the week So people who come to this house don't understand what a

01:48:20.000 septic system is And I think anybody who has a septic system understands

01:48:23.000 what it means when people come to your house and don't notice septic. Yes

01:48:26.000 Yeah, it's a problem.

01:48:27.000 So we had one day where we woke up and the downstairs started flooding because people don't understand you can't put stuff in toilets.

01:48:36.000 And I'm like, how do we get a septic person out here literally right now?

01:48:41.000 And you can't.

01:48:42.000 You're calling, you're calling, you're calling, and they're like, we can be there tomorrow or the next day.

01:48:45.000 We're scheduled.

01:48:45.000 We're booked.

01:48:46.000 And it's like, wow.

01:48:47.000 So he made me do it.

01:48:47.000 When you need one, you need one.

01:48:49.000 Yeah.

01:48:50.000 And then everything got taken care of and it wasn't that bad.

01:48:52.000 It was fortunate for us it was just water backing up.

01:48:54.000 So it was just like, kind of, ugh.

01:48:56.000 Could have been worse.

01:48:58.000 A mattress got destroyed.

01:48:59.000 Fortunately for us it was just water backing up.

01:49:02.000 Oh boy.

01:49:02.000 Meet the parents.

01:49:05.000 What?

01:49:05.000 You ever see Meet the Parents?

01:49:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:07.000 I don't remember it.

01:49:08.000 He left the toilet running, and so it flooded the septic system.

01:49:14.000 And, oh yeah.

01:49:15.000 Alright, let's see.

01:49:17.000 Christopher Antonia says, In Canada, we use paper ballots.

01:49:20.000 Parties and volunteers to monitor the count, and everyone is cooperative, cordial, and transparent.

01:49:25.000 A winner is normally declared on election night, but our up-and-coming election will have mail-in ballots.

01:49:28.000 Thanks, Trudeau.

01:49:30.000 You know, assuming that it's transparent is kind of dangerous.

01:49:33.000 Because if you don't get to watch the entire process, then that's not... I just don't think we need mail-in ballots.

01:49:40.000 I think you should have to be like absent-duty military or like show an excuse as to why you can't.

01:49:44.000 That's pretty racist.

01:49:47.000 All right, Christopher Knowles says, We're mammals.

01:49:49.000 Different survival requirements produce different levels of consciousness.

01:49:52.000 It's a sliding scale.

01:49:53.000 Random acts of kindness exist in our species.

01:49:55.000 Why?

01:49:56.000 It shouldn't be advantageous to give away our own advantage to others, but it is.

01:50:00.000 Why, if not free will?

01:50:01.000 Because humans are social animals, and providing for each other guarantees the survival of the greater community.

01:50:07.000 They did studies on rats and found rats are also empathetic.

01:50:11.000 They had a rat in this tight little tube that it couldn't get out of and it was screaming and they put another rat inside and gave the rat outside food.

01:50:21.000 The rat outside would release the rat trapped and then share its food with it.

01:50:26.000 But what we haven't considered is maybe those rats were standing in solidarity against their human captors.

01:50:30.000 If two aliens came and locked you in another human in some kind of maze that you could free them from, you'd probably be more likely to help that person than you would if you just saw them on the streets.

01:50:41.000 At least now there's a common enemy.

01:50:42.000 Right, you don't touch something if you don't know what it is.

01:50:44.000 There's a really funny Far Side comic where there's two aliens looking at a terrarium Where a guy is cowering and there's a grizzly bear screaming.

01:50:53.000 You're like, rawr, over him.

01:50:54.000 And then the alien's like, Dave, you put incompatible species in the same terrarium. 0.70

01:50:59.000 That would suck, right?

01:51:01.000 That's what happens. 0.97

01:51:03.000 All right.

01:51:03.000 Jesse Meeks says, I love how even when you all have differing opinions, uh, differing options, you're each able to present a coherent argument and remain civil.

01:51:11.000 I miss that.

01:51:12.000 You should reach out to Liberty Doll.

01:51:13.000 She's a professional counselor, libertarian, and gun enthusiast.

01:51:15.000 Oh, cool.

01:51:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:17.000 Wouldn't it be funny if he just singled someone?

01:51:18.000 I was like, except Seamus. 1.00

01:51:19.000 He's an idiot. 1.00

01:51:20.000 He's the worst. 1.00

01:51:21.000 By the way, Ian. 0.91

01:51:23.000 Power to the people, Seamus.

01:51:24.000 This is what the establishment fears most.

01:51:26.000 Fist bumps?

01:51:27.000 Kendrick Leist says, Ian should read The Fatal Conceit by Hayek.

01:51:31.000 His thoughts would be immensely interesting.

01:51:33.000 Write that down.

01:51:36.000 The last of my kind.

01:51:37.000 You're not a Hayek fan?

01:51:38.000 He's obtuse.

01:51:39.000 I don't know.

01:51:41.000 He's just... I don't know.

01:51:42.000 I find... I thought Milton Friedman's way better.

01:51:44.000 I thought Rothbard's way better.

01:51:46.000 I thought Hayek was... Hayek had some insights, but I definitely found some Hayek pros to be just unreadable.

01:51:51.000 He put the Austrian school on the map with the boom and bust.

01:51:54.000 Sure, sure.

01:51:55.000 But yeah, I don't know.

01:51:56.000 The Austrians get one thing right, and then they think they got everything right. 1.00

01:51:59.000 I think, well, and also there's a lot they get from the Salamancans as well.

01:52:03.000 I shouldn't say get from them, but that was discovered prior to that.

01:52:06.000 I just look at people like Peter Schiff, who made a really bad prediction about the value of the dollar and lost two-thirds of his client's capital.

01:52:12.000 Oh, wow.

01:52:13.000 Did you know that?

01:52:14.000 He's going to sue you, and you're going to be sued.

01:52:17.000 I'm just kidding.

01:52:18.000 OK.

01:52:19.000 He can try.

01:52:19.000 What happened?

01:52:22.000 Basically, he was betting against the dollar and on inflation in the aftermath of the housing crisis.

01:52:28.000 And he got the housing crisis part right.

01:52:30.000 He just was betting all the spending was going to lead to serious inflation, but didn't account for the fact that the massive debt collapse was incredibly deflationary and kind of outweighed it.

01:52:39.000 So the dollar got stronger.

01:52:41.000 And that bet was like a big chunk of the portfolio.

01:52:43.000 Wow.

01:52:44.000 That's my understanding of what happened.

01:52:45.000 The opposite of the big short.

01:52:46.000 Well... Yeah.

01:52:47.000 Yeah, no, he managed to get the housing crisis part right and still lose money, which is... Nice.

01:52:52.000 TheLastOfMyKind says, Howdy Seamus, cast crew.

01:52:56.000 Today is 31st birthday and I'm walking with a cane because I jumped off my truck and rolled my ankle.

01:53:02.000 31 never felt so good.

01:53:04.000 Let's don't 31-year-olds usually walk with a cane.

01:53:07.000 Yeah, I know.

01:53:07.000 Trust me.

01:53:09.000 You sound like my fiancee who constantly tells me how old I am.

01:53:12.000 How old are you, Will?

01:53:13.000 I'm 36.

01:53:14.000 No, 35.

01:53:14.000 Sorry, I'm about to turn 36.

01:53:17.000 I forgot.

01:53:17.000 I'm so old, I forgot my own age.

01:53:21.000 But thank you for that.

01:53:22.000 Luke Rudkowski says, what's Dilbert doing on the show and how are you treating my parking lot?

01:53:31.000 Thanks, Luke.

01:53:32.000 Does Luke call you Dilbert?

01:53:33.000 Yeah, that was like Luke's original nickname for me.

01:53:36.000 When we met, all the way back at the Airbnb in Berkeley.

01:53:41.000 Yeah, for some reason he started calling me Dilbert. 1.00

01:53:43.000 What a jerk. 1.00

01:53:44.000 Because I wear glasses. 1.00

01:53:45.000 He wants to hang out with you.

01:53:50.000 He's really self-conscious and he wants you to think that he's cool, so he's trying to show you that he's confident.

01:53:55.000 I absolutely will vouch for Luke Rudkowski's coolness.

01:53:58.000 He's a wonderfully cool person.

01:54:00.000 He's a cool guy.

01:54:01.000 He's up in New Hampshire at the Free State Project stuff.

01:54:04.000 He's teaching people self-defense and tactical defense training and stuff.

01:54:08.000 Check out Luke Rudkowski's Instagram, WeAreChange.

01:54:13.000 Follow Luke Rudkowski on YouTube and Spotify.

01:54:17.000 Is he on Spotify yet?

01:54:18.000 Luke, you gotta start a podcast, bro.

01:54:20.000 Yeah, man.

01:54:20.000 Is this RutkowskiCast now?

01:54:22.000 Shame that you lost your show.

01:54:23.000 Hold on, no, this is still ShimCast IRL, but we have a high degree of love and reverence for Luke.

01:54:27.000 RutkowskiCast wouldn't fit in the YouTube title.

01:54:31.000 RutkowskiCast?

01:54:32.000 How would you even... RutkowskiCast?

01:54:34.000 RutCast, there you go.

01:54:35.000 It's ShimCast, I'm sorry.

01:54:36.000 Or, you can all just tweet to Luke how much you love him, and you're puking because he's not on the show, and he's vanished.

01:54:43.000 That's right.

01:54:44.000 I want Luke back on ShimCast.

01:54:45.000 I've said it once, I'll say it again.

01:54:48.000 He's the man.

01:54:50.000 He got good aim!

01:54:52.000 Was that too loud?

01:54:54.000 Sorry guys.

01:54:57.000 Mike play as an art.

01:54:59.000 Hey Tim, thanks for inspiring me to get back into podcasting again.

01:55:03.000 Check out the Swamp Creatures podcast where us Florida men drink and talk about the news every Friday.

01:55:09.000 We are not PG or PC.

01:55:11.000 Do you commit crimes on the podcast?

01:55:14.000 Like many Florida men do.

01:55:18.000 If so, I am intrigued.

01:55:19.000 Will, I gotta ask you a question.

01:55:20.000 Sure.

01:55:21.000 From my understanding, the reason that Florida seems so crazy is because they have different sunshine laws.

01:55:25.000 Is this correct?

01:55:27.000 I have no idea.

01:55:28.000 And I was born there, but I left.

01:55:30.000 Yeah, I left when I was two.

01:55:33.000 What are sunshine laws?

01:55:34.000 So from my understanding, this is where if you commit a crime that that information is more accessible to the general public.

01:55:40.000 So more able to talk about what goes on there.

01:55:43.000 I have no idea.

01:55:43.000 That might make it easier to run various Twitter accounts and Instagram accounts about the various crimes.

01:55:48.000 For sure.

01:55:48.000 The men of Florida.

01:55:49.000 Yes.

01:55:50.000 Florida man.

01:55:51.000 Legendary.

01:55:55.000 All right.

01:55:55.000 Let's see what we got.

01:55:57.000 Olympic... I can't read that name.

01:55:59.000 If Hollywood made a movie about this election showing Biden... Okay, we're gonna move on, I guess.

01:56:04.000 Good super chat, though.

01:56:06.000 Good super chat, thank you.

01:56:07.000 Thanks for the money.

01:56:08.000 Australia is not real, just ask a flat earther, says Shimcast IRL rocks.

01:56:12.000 Yes!

01:56:13.000 That's true, and thank you.

01:56:14.000 Both of those statements are accurate.

01:56:17.000 All right.

01:56:18.000 Master Matthew says, saw the stream on the Freedom Phone.

01:56:21.000 Tech being easy for everyone contradicts your position on being responsible.

01:56:25.000 If you're afraid of being spied on it, know your tech.

01:56:26.000 Check out Pineapple and Linux, by the way.

01:56:29.000 No, it doesn't contradict me at all.

01:56:31.000 I would love it if we streamlined the process for which people could be responsible by bringing things down to earth.

01:56:36.000 If somebody wants to learn how to start a fire, I'm not going to be like, if you don't use sticks, you're not responsible.

01:56:41.000 I'll say, get some fire steel.

01:56:43.000 It's a modern technology.

01:56:44.000 I mean, you should learn how to start a fire with nothing but sticks.

01:56:47.000 But it's also substantially more responsible to be like, I have fire steel.

01:56:51.000 You ever see that stuff?

01:56:51.000 It's cool.

01:56:52.000 You go, the sparks fly out.

01:56:53.000 It was a magnesium and flint.

01:56:55.000 I think it's just magnesium.

01:56:56.000 I think it's magic.

01:56:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:58.000 That's right.

01:56:59.000 You can also take like cotton and stuff it in like a tight jar and then heat it up.

01:57:03.000 So like get really hot without oxygen.

01:57:04.000 And then it becomes, how do you heat it up on a fire?

01:57:07.000 Like you put it over heat.

01:57:08.000 Oh, so you have to already have it.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, you have to already have that fire going.

01:57:10.000 And what does that do?

01:57:11.000 It's portable and then it's super flammable.

01:57:13.000 You can start a fire with it really easy.

01:57:14.000 Oh, if you like heat the cotton up without oxygen, it turns black.

01:57:17.000 Is this Survival Skills Day?

01:57:18.000 Is this really Luke Rudkowski cast?

01:57:20.000 That's right.

01:57:21.000 That's what happened there.

01:57:22.000 That's right.

01:57:23.000 What's happening?

01:57:25.000 Shim, you're losing your show.

01:57:26.000 What's happening?

01:57:27.000 No, this is Shim cast.

01:57:28.000 I think they should teach kids code.

01:57:30.000 I mean, at this stage of the game.

01:57:32.000 Little kids should be learning that in second grade like a language.

01:57:36.000 Tate Stories says a big promise Larry Elder made to the Sacramento Bee was to significantly reduce homelessness.

01:57:41.000 Do you think it's possible to really change the situation in California?

01:57:44.000 I absolutely do.

01:57:46.000 Oh yeah, you just... jail.

01:57:49.000 No, that won't work.

01:57:50.000 No, sorry.

01:57:51.000 I just like saying jail is the solution to all these problems.

01:57:54.000 Right?

01:57:55.000 Right to jail.

01:57:57.000 I'll tell you, everything they're doing isn't solving the problem.

01:58:00.000 And the best thing they've offered up is like, how about we build houses and put them in?

01:58:03.000 And I'm like, that won't solve the problem either.

01:58:05.000 It's a mental health crisis.

01:58:06.000 Imagine living in California and being like, we're just one more left-wing policy away from getting this right.

01:58:12.000 We're going to have the progressive utopia.

01:58:14.000 Skid Row is so bad.

01:58:16.000 Have you been to Skid Row?

01:58:17.000 Anybody?

01:58:17.000 Yeah, I used to go down there.

01:58:19.000 Yes, and it's not Skid Row anymore.

01:58:21.000 It's the whole city.

01:58:22.000 Yeah, Skid City.

01:58:23.000 It's Skid City, no joke.

01:58:24.000 Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anybody go there.

01:58:28.000 I used to hang out down there and pass out water bottles and talk to people.

01:58:31.000 I was thinking for a time, like 2007, I would start interviewing people and show their stories to the world, but they didn't want to do interviews for the most part.

01:58:38.000 Their stories wouldn't be that...

01:58:40.000 Interesting.

01:58:40.000 Yeah, you catch the random homeless dude that gets a viral video, and then he makes a name for himself, makes money, gets a clean cut, gets a career, and it's like, I want that.

01:58:48.000 I want to help people do that.

01:58:50.000 But they weren't in the mind state for it.

01:58:51.000 They didn't want to, yeah.

01:58:52.000 Not those guys that I met.

01:58:55.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:58:58.000 Ricky L Hendrick says, when I became my mother's legal guardian, she lost her right to vote.

01:59:02.000 At first, she could reason, but later on, couldn't.

01:59:04.000 Hmm.

01:59:05.000 Interesting.

01:59:06.000 Yeah.

01:59:06.000 That is interesting.

01:59:07.000 I'm not sure how that works.

01:59:09.000 Yeah.

01:59:10.000 All right.

01:59:12.000 Fetty says, Tim, you should look into Cardano's blockchain as a solution to land ownership.

01:59:16.000 It's already being talked about for the future governance for the future governance update.

01:59:19.000 Interesting.

01:59:20.000 I do have some Cardano.

01:59:21.000 I'm interested to see where they go.

01:59:23.000 It's interesting.

01:59:24.000 You know, Max Geiser is a Bitcoin maximalist.

01:59:26.000 He's like, Bitcoin is the best. 0.99

01:59:27.000 Everything else is trash. 0.97

01:59:29.000 And I'm like, Bitcoin is the best. 0.79

01:59:31.000 And I think other cryptos, you know, are typically just like investing in a company's project.

01:59:37.000 I don't know why you're trying to, like, over... We actually have a very good system in the United States for, like, land title.

01:59:42.000 Like, we have a recorder, and it's the government does it, and they actually do a really good job with this particular job.

01:59:48.000 You know, it's one of the things we have and, like, places in Africa don't, and it's a huge problem when they don't have good title.

01:59:53.000 So, and it's not clear, like, what property belongs to whom.

01:59:57.000 And you have constant little disputes.

01:59:58.000 People don't invest their property.

01:59:59.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 We've solved this problem.

02:00:01.000 I don't know why you guys want to try and unsolve it and then solve it again on the blockchain.

02:00:06.000 There are people who are like, blockchain.

02:00:08.000 And you're like, for what?

02:00:09.000 Because.

02:00:11.000 But why?

02:00:12.000 What if we did McDonald's on the blockchain?

02:00:14.000 Oh.

02:00:15.000 What if?

02:00:15.000 Like, what does that mean?

02:00:16.000 Like, it's an order on the blockchain.

02:00:18.000 Why would you need to?

02:00:19.000 Like, you can do marriage law on the blockchain.

02:00:21.000 You can do your vows via the hash.

02:00:24.000 No, stop.

02:00:24.000 IPFS.

02:00:25.000 That's another... interplanetary file system.

02:00:29.000 I'm a conservative, if that wasn't clear.

02:00:30.000 Yes, yes.

02:00:32.000 All right.

02:00:33.000 Aaron M says, going back to yesterday's stream about Asians and family, China had forms of polygamy until the mid 20th century.

02:00:40.000 Even in Hong Kong, my home, men are considered just being men if they have mistresses and wives just don't get caught.

02:00:47.000 Oh, well, there you go.

02:00:49.000 Alexander Scarpecci says, yes, Florida is very transparent with criminal records.

02:00:54.000 Criminal records are all available online through the county clerk website.

02:00:58.000 I knew it.

02:00:59.000 Michael Bird says, would you rather be trapped in the Matrix or Lord of the Rings universe?

02:01:04.000 Would you rather have to write everything you say out by hand, or only be able to speak in rhymes?

02:01:10.000 Matrix universe or Lord of the... so Matrix, well there's two possibilities right?

02:01:14.000 It's the Matrix, there's two Matrix, you know, in the Matrix or outside of it.

02:01:18.000 Right.

02:01:19.000 I'd choose in the Matrix over the Lord of the Rings universe for sure.

02:01:22.000 Lord of the Rings had a lot, is more old-timey, which means a lot less modern convenience.

02:01:28.000 I don't know, they have like magic and stuff.

02:01:31.000 That sounds fun.

02:01:31.000 Would you rather be red-pilled in the Matrix universe or in the Lord of the Rings universe?

02:01:37.000 What does that mean?

02:01:38.000 What is being red-pilled in Lord of the Rings, bro?

02:01:40.000 Sauron was right.

02:01:41.000 Red-pilled in the Matrix.

02:01:43.000 It was a leading question, Will.

02:01:47.000 Sauron did nothing wrong.

02:01:48.000 The truth came out.

02:01:51.000 The two towers did not.

02:01:52.000 And to be honest, you know what really gets me?

02:01:56.000 Elrond could have stopped Isildur. 1.00

02:02:00.000 He's standing right there.

02:02:01.000 Because what happened when Frodo and Sam were in Mount Doom?

02:02:04.000 It was Mount Doom, right?

02:02:06.000 Yeah.

02:02:08.000 He's like, why don't you do it?

02:02:09.000 And Frodo's like, no.

02:02:10.000 But then it's Gollum who comes.

02:02:11.000 Hold on, don't spoil it for those who haven't seen yet.

02:02:13.000 It's Gollum who comes and they fight.

02:02:16.000 Gollum did what Elrond couldn't.

02:02:19.000 Now, granted, he wanted the ring for himself, but... It's that scene where he's like, cast it into the fire!

02:02:23.000 Isildur!

02:02:25.000 And he walks away.

02:02:26.000 It's like, dude, just walk up and just push him in.

02:02:27.000 But I also think he was already walking away from him, and he just put the ring on and go invisible, and there was nothing he could do.

02:02:34.000 I think I'd rather be in the... matrix.

02:02:38.000 I say matrix, but then it's like you have robots trying to kill you all the time, and that's terrifying.

02:02:42.000 Well, no, you just live in the matrix and be fine with that, right?

02:02:45.000 Well, I'm assuming you're unplugged at that point.

02:02:47.000 Oh, I don't want to be unplugged in the matrix.

02:02:50.000 That... Sounds terrible.

02:02:51.000 Sounds terrible.

02:02:51.000 You'd pick Lord of the Rings?

02:02:53.000 So you would rather not know?

02:02:54.000 Yeah, like... You'd rather not know the nature of reality?

02:02:56.000 We got beat by the robots? 0.99

02:02:57.000 Like, that sucks. 0.95

02:02:58.000 I guess I'd rather be living in the reality they created for me. 0.97

02:03:01.000 How nice of them.

02:03:01.000 Lord of the Rings is the correct answer.

02:03:03.000 No, it's not nice of them.

02:03:04.000 Lord of the Rings is the correct answer.

02:03:05.000 Absolutely.

02:03:05.000 Because I know that if I had the One Ring, I would be able to wield it.

02:03:09.000 That's true.

02:03:10.000 It would be a gift.

02:03:11.000 But what if you were just some cheap peasant, like in some hamlet in Lord of the Rings? 0.53

02:03:15.000 If I saw that ring, I'd be like, I'm the one who can actually wield it.

02:03:18.000 I know.

02:03:19.000 Of course.

02:03:20.000 You'd be the one that would finally be able to handle it.

02:03:21.000 I mean, it's obvious.

02:03:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:03:23.000 I don't care what, you know, Sauron or It's actually true.

02:03:27.000 I think Tim could... He's Frodo, dude.

02:03:31.000 I mean, no one can handle it, but someone might be able to handle it.

02:03:34.000 No, Frodo was not able to handle it.

02:03:35.000 Give it to him.

02:03:35.000 Only Tim.

02:03:36.000 Don't compare Tim to Frodo.

02:03:38.000 And why shouldn't I have it?

02:03:39.000 That's right!

02:03:39.000 Uh oh.

02:03:40.000 I think I misspoke.

02:03:43.000 Don't give him the ring.

02:03:43.000 I would not want the ring.

02:03:44.000 That thing is cursed. 0.50

02:03:45.000 It's beautiful.

02:03:46.000 What is the ring in modern, like, metaphor?

02:03:48.000 Is it the power of internet video?

02:03:49.000 I was trying to think of that.

02:03:50.000 I don't think that's what Tolkien had in mind.

02:03:51.000 Like, because you could make a video, if you're famous enough on YouTube, and tell a million people to do something, and they would do it.

02:03:58.000 I think it's the moderation power.

02:03:59.000 That's what I think the ring is.

02:04:01.000 I think it would be like what YouTube and Twitter, you know.

02:04:03.000 They have the seven rings.

02:04:05.000 And we need to cast them into the fire by making platform access a civil right. 0.99

02:04:08.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

02:04:08.000 Look at that. 0.99

02:04:09.000 Boom.

02:04:09.000 Circle's complete.

02:04:10.000 Cast it into the fire.

02:04:11.000 Just follow us at TimCast IRL, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends and go to TimCast.com for the exclusive members only segment which will be coming up usually around 11 or so p.m.

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02:04:25.000 You guys want to, Will, you want to mention?

02:04:28.000 Yeah, Will Chamberlain on Twitter and Facebook and also We've started the Will Chamberlain Show.

02:04:32.000 We're on episode three.

02:04:33.000 Good for you.

02:04:34.000 2 p.m.

02:04:35.000 every day.

02:04:35.000 I'm doing about 45 minutes going through the news, half hour of, you know, just me talking, and then 15 minutes of going through chats.

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02:04:51.000 Are you allowed to give legal advice if people super chat you?

02:04:54.000 No.

02:04:55.000 And I wouldn't want to because I would then be liable for malpractice.

02:04:58.000 Exactly.

02:04:59.000 Every single time I ask one of my lawyer friends a question they're like, this is not legal advice, but...

02:05:05.000 Right.

02:05:06.000 You are not my client.

02:05:07.000 Yes.

02:05:07.000 So it's Monday through Friday at 2 p.m.

02:05:09.000 on YouTube?

02:05:09.000 Yep.

02:05:10.000 Monday through Friday.

02:05:12.000 Yep.

02:05:13.000 It's on YouTube.

02:05:15.000 I have a second channel.

02:05:16.000 I have a channel called Freedom Tunes where I make animations and we're gonna be releasing one tomorrow that I think should be pretty funny dealing with old Governor Cuomo who we didn't really get into here but I think it'll be a good one.

02:05:29.000 Yeah.

02:05:30.000 But not the one I wanted to do.

02:05:32.000 Well, we'll see.

02:05:32.000 We'll talk about it.

02:05:33.000 The one that I want to do with Seamus is too dark.

02:05:35.000 It's not funny.

02:05:36.000 Maybe we'll do it someday. 0.62

02:05:37.000 It's just because Cuomo killed all those people.

02:05:39.000 We brainstormed a session where you would be like, Seamus, I wanted to laugh and you made me cry.

02:05:45.000 Or not cry.

02:05:45.000 Yeah, I can upload it.

02:05:46.000 Hey, if you're at patreon.com slash freedomsoons, we'll upload the footage of Tim and I improv-ing a different Cuomo video that was never made.

02:05:52.000 No, I think we need to make it.

02:05:54.000 There's no words.

02:05:55.000 Okay, well, if you go to shimcast.com, maybe we'll put it up.

02:05:58.000 Someone's gonna buy it.

02:05:59.000 Someone just bought it, yeah.

02:06:00.000 Alright, here's the thing.

02:06:01.000 Shimcast IRL is this.

02:06:04.000 So I want to thank you for watching Shimcast, my podcast.

02:06:07.000 Please, let's see if we got up to 10,000 likes.

02:06:09.000 We did.

02:06:10.000 Good, good.

02:06:11.000 So this is... Epic hype, man.

02:06:13.000 And you're not getting any of the superchats.

02:06:14.000 Not the best ranked episode.

02:06:15.000 Well, that's a little messed up.

02:06:16.000 It's literally my podcast.

02:06:18.000 Um, but thank you guys for coming on my show.

02:06:20.000 Yeah, Freedom Tunes.

02:06:21.000 Freedom Tunes.

02:06:22.000 Releasing a video tomorrow.

02:06:22.000 Go over there.

02:06:23.000 Subscribe.

02:06:24.000 Check us out at patreon.com slash freedom tunes and I'm on twitter at Seamus underscore Coughlin very easy to spell.

02:06:30.000 Thank you Thank you for having me Seamus. Yeah, always really fun

02:06:33.000 Of course will any time any time doors always open you were gonna say your YouTube channel name for your show

02:06:40.000 What oh, yeah, it's a youtube.com slash human events. I'm currently doing it on the human events channel. So all

02:06:45.000 right events You know me you love me. Just kidding

02:06:48.000 Can't decide what you love Uh, yeah.

02:06:52.000 Hit me up Ian Crossland.

02:06:54.000 That's right.

02:06:54.000 You guys should listen to Will's podcast because I used to listen to his live streams about lawyer stuff and I found them very interesting and educational because not many people know a lot about law, but he went to school for that.

02:07:05.000 So you guys can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter as I continue my pursuit of Sour Patch Kids and follower count. 0.97

02:07:13.000 We're gonna talk about a bunch of spicy stuff now that YouTube doesn't allow us to talk about because they're jerks! 0.99

02:07:17.000 And they're scared. 0.97

02:07:19.000 So go to TimGuest.com, be a member, and we will see you all there.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - August 11, 2021

Timcast IRL - Mike Lindell LOSES Motion To Dismiss Dominion Lawsuit w-Will Chamberlain

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