In this episode of China Uncensored, hosts Chris Chappell ( ) and Shelley Zhang ( ) are joined by special guest Luke Krakowski ( ) to discuss China's growing influence in the United States. They discuss the rise of the Chinese Communist Party and the influence it has gained over the past few decades.
00:00:28.000you ladies and gentlemen the United States has been invaded by
00:00:55.000Chinese communist authoritarians and the incoming president-elect is
00:01:00.000compromised His son has accepted money from Chinese communist-connected individuals, and the incoming president actually flew his son on government property to China.
00:02:38.000Well, I mean, essentially, that is the big story.
00:02:40.000That's how we kind of found ourselves making a satirical show about China news.
00:02:46.000The Chinese Communist Party is having a tremendous influence in US, well, the entire society, in politics, in media, in local level to the federal level.
00:02:57.000And, you know, not a lot of people were talking about it when we started the show in 2012.
00:03:17.000China was essentially trying to bypass the Panama Canal, and it was a ridiculous project that would have destroyed a large freshwater aquifer and been very, very disastrous, but ultimately got abandoned.
00:03:27.000So there have been reporters I've seen who have been tracking this stuff.
00:03:31.000But it's never making, as far as I've seen, the big headlines, the front page of the New York Times, the things that are going on with China buying property in all of these different countries.
00:03:43.000Like, they're buying up communities in certain places, owning all the land, and they're doing oil exploration in Africa, South America, they've got a ton of influence with security services in the South American countries, and it seems like probably I would say, in my opinion, the biggest threat to the United States and probably to what we would define as liberal democracy or constitutional republic, like the United States, is Chinese communist subversion.
00:04:07.000I mean, I think that's definitely true.
00:04:09.000And around the world, every time we talk to a, uh, you know, human rights activist from, you know, from Bolivia, from Cambodia, from Mauritania.
00:04:18.000Like they are always talking about how China is basically infiltrating their countries, paying off their dictators, um, putting their countries in debt, taking all their national resources.
00:04:28.000So, you know, this is like very, it's been happening for years and people are only starting to realize it now, I think.
00:05:10.000Well, no, the NBA has had a huge backlash.
00:05:13.000Specifically, this was one of the major turning points, I think, in the past year or two of people becoming aware of the influence the Chinese Communist Party has.
00:05:22.000When Houston Rockets General Manager Daryl Morey, he tweeted something in support of the protests happening in Hong Kong.
00:05:54.000Yeah, so this was a case where like people saw, oh, wait, Americans are being censored in America because of what's happening in China.
00:06:01.000And so that was a big moment of like, you know, maybe LeBron James, maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about.
00:06:07.000The NBA had a basketball camp in Xinjiang where the Uyghurs are being imprisoned.
00:06:15.000They only stopped that like a month or two ago like this year that like they had a Partnership with a Chinese, you know organization that was doing a basketball.
00:06:25.000They could have waved to the Mulan production Also, very interestingly there's some reports coming out of Australia that Nike that of course hires LeBron James and is a Almost going to make him a billionaire, that they're also using some Uighur Muslim slaves in order to produce some of their products.
00:06:44.000Sneakers and of course also the NBA jerseys that a lot of the NBA players wear.
00:06:48.000What do you make of these kind of reports coming from Australia?
00:06:52.000Do you think they're legitimate and do you think there's any credence behind them?
00:06:55.000Well, I think one sad thing that does need to be mentioned is that you have companies like Apple and Nike, like, actually lobbying against a bill going through Congress right now about forced labor in China.
00:07:10.000And this is the big issue that you see, that, you know, if you treat China like a country that has concentration camps, you can't treat it like a normal country, you know?
00:07:20.000We should all be investing money and doing a lot of business.
00:08:24.000And now there are several cities in China that are running out of power because they were dependent on these coal imports.
00:08:30.000Unnecessary sacrifice for the greater good.
00:08:32.000And, you know, so now, like, there's reports that they're, like, doing, like, rolling blackout kind of things because they're running out of power, because they, like, stopped the Australian coal, because they want to punish Australia.
00:09:11.000Well, let's jump to the first big story.
00:09:13.000Before we do, make sure you guys smash that like button, and share this video, share the podcast if you really do think we're doing a good job, and help support the channel.
00:09:21.000But we have this breaking news coming out of the State Department, and I'll tell you the first and the weirdest thing.
00:09:35.000And a lot of people were wondering, would this be Trump firing off that executive order over foreign election interference, finally taking control and winning the election?
00:09:46.000imposes sanctions on People's Republic of China actors linked to malign activities.
00:09:51.000So it's a lot to do with mass surveillance, military modernization, human rights abuses, and the South China Sea.
00:09:56.000And it's about sanctions against specific members of the Chinese Communist Party, who, of course, the State Department, Trump's administration have been railing against a whole lot.
00:10:04.000So it's not what a lot of Trump supporters were crossing their fingers
00:10:08.000for, but it is still pretty significant action.
00:10:11.000From the latest actions we've seen from the US government, one of the biggest impacts that I can say will hit you is
00:10:58.000That's kind of weird because it wasn't like part of the reason why we weren't buying technology from China is because they're putting secret stuff in it to spy on us.
00:13:01.000The official Chinese communist stance is that this is vocational training centers that are a part of a poverty aviliation scheme to help train poor rural workers to learn Chinese and find employment.
00:13:14.000And they have to shave their heads and make them wear jumpsuits, right?
00:13:18.000It's almost like a beautiful work of art, the way that they've managed to make all this propaganda feed into each other.
00:13:24.000Because one of the biggest propaganda elements that they use in China is we've lifted millions of people out of poverty and they'll use that as like a human rights thing like they'll be like whenever like human rights day rolls around like December 10th uh they'll be like you know our biggest human rights achievement is lifting millions of people out of poverty even though
00:13:44.000They destroyed the economy in the first place.
00:13:48.000And then when they backed off and stopped, you know, controlling everything and let people make money again, people lifted themselves out of poverty.
00:13:55.000But the other part of it is they kind of use that to cover up all their other human rights atrocities.
00:14:01.000So if you talk about, you know, being out of poverty as a human right, that's...
00:14:06.000So just, you know, we kind of made some, I guess we can call it a dark humor, crude joke, very, very dark.
00:14:14.000But I did kind of rip off Family Guy in that one, in my defense.
00:14:17.000But considering the actual severity of the things that China's doing, particularly in this area, shouldn't we stop American companies from investing in this kind of stuff?
00:14:27.000Or from having factories, from having production in China, until they stop doing this?
00:14:32.000Yeah, as I said earlier, it's an issue of like, people don't think of China as like a horrible authoritarian regime that has concentration camps.
00:14:39.000They think of it because China has been very successful at a soft power push and buying off, it's called elite capture, basically buying off politicians, people in the media.
00:15:11.000You know, I've had conversations with... I have a friend from Ukraine.
00:15:16.000And when I was there during the big, you know, it's 2013, 24, I think it was 24, well, 2013, when they had the big protest that ultimately led to separatist movement and conflict.
00:15:24.000I was talking to a friend who was talking about how she's gonna make the world a better place, very lefty, leftist kind of mentality.
00:15:31.000And I said, but do you really believe that?
00:15:33.000I mean, the computer you're using was made at the Foxconn labs in China, where people are walking off the buildings in mass suicide because of how horrific the conditions are.
00:15:55.000You know, you want the people where you live to do better.
00:15:57.000But you realize the fact that you have that computer and that phone.
00:16:01.000You have people working in essentially slave labor conditions, jammed in these tiny boxes, and it's so bad, they actually put up suicide nets around the building to catch people from just walking off the edge.
00:16:12.000I was like, when you give them money, you're propping that system up, and you're actually making it worse.
00:16:17.000That kind of made her, you know, it was kind of harsh.
00:16:19.000She kind of had a hard realization of what was going on, you know?
00:16:22.000Well, actually, I think to an extent, if people were focused more on building up their communities, you know, the issues like the when China joined the World Trade Organization, like American manufacturing got gutted, lots of jobs went to China, you know, it's, it's insane that because of, you know, various regulations, it's cheaper to make stuff in China and sale it all the way around the world, rather than having it made You're telling me, man.
00:17:16.000And it's because the people in China are being paid trash, and there's no, you know, look, if you hire someone in North America, guess what?
00:17:25.000You gotta pay taxes, you gotta pay healthcare, in many circumstances, and the wages are typically much higher.
00:17:31.000So these big companies have found a way to essentially extract What's what's left of the value of the US and China's found a way because what essentially happens is The American workers lose their jobs and make no money then they eventually can't even buy the product So the rich people extract the money from the poor people and then the people getting paid are in China And then eventually there's nothing left for the people in this country
00:17:55.000That was essentially a blueprint of what Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, and David Rockefeller had proposed when they went to China and, quote, opened up China to the rest of the world.
00:18:07.000And that was such a significant meeting.
00:18:09.000And we still have to understand, the person who essentially blueprinted this, who made this happen, Henry Kissinger, He's still around being rewarded and seen as some great kind of diplomat.
00:18:20.000Meanwhile, when we actually see the ramifications of his actions, the consequences are severe and they don't work out in anyone's favor except for the super rich.
00:18:29.000So I don't know if you guys know a lot about the opening of China, but I think you guys probably know more than me about that.
00:19:08.000I believe his name was O'Neill, said that he takes his daily orders from Henry Kissinger when he was the acting national security advisor.
00:19:16.000So Kissinger has a lot of influence, a lot of powers, but we see where his allegiance lies, especially with the policies that he set forward that had these huge ramifications and essentially destroyed all the manufacturing, blue-collar, middle-class jobs, and they took them and replaced them in China, where now we have all of our goods, all of our resources sent to them to be processed by sometimes slaves, sometimes the Uyghurs, sometimes by individuals who have no other option, But to make your little goods and they send them back to you so the super rich could sell you them on Amazon and Walmart.
00:19:48.000Walmart, by the way, who's investing in Wuhan.
00:19:52.000I don't know if people knew this, but Walmart is investing a huge, substantial amount of their profits to Wuhan of all places in the world.
00:20:07.000The elites certainly extract value and can suppress and oppress, you know, workers and unions and things like that.
00:20:13.000Not that unions are perfect at all, by any stretch of the imagination.
00:20:16.000But with, you know, investment into China, you know that if your company is successful, the Chinese Communist Party will put the boot down on anyone who dares oppose you.
00:20:24.000So you think about the risks in the United States.
00:20:28.000Why should we have to worry about the little people?
00:20:32.000The elites in this country have found a way to extract the value, partly by sending things to be manufactured for dirt wages in China, and then once they've gutted the manufacturing base of this country, and everyone's saddled with ridiculous debt, and the only way people can think to get a job is to go to college, rack up massive debt, and then they can't find a job, the elites will just leave.
00:21:14.000Because they believe the Chinese Communist Party will not screw them.
00:21:20.000And it's completely, like, so many people have been screwed going into China.
00:21:24.000These businesses, tech companies, Famously, a few years ago, there was like a U.S.
00:21:30.000wind turbine manufacturer made the solar, not solar, the wind turbines for wind power, and they found out that their Chinese joint venture partner, because legally you must have a Chinese company work with you when you go into China, you cannot go in by yourself.
00:22:47.000Well, so what happened with, like, back in like 2000, was it 7, 8, 9, Google was in China for a while, and they were trying to, like, kind of work within the system, you know, censor some stuff, but then, like, they hacked Gmail and got, like, the information of a bunch of Chinese citizens, and then they were at, to their credit at the time, were like, We're uncensoring our search, kick us out of China.
00:23:10.000And then a few years later, they realized, well, they removed don't be evil from their byline.
00:23:17.000And then they started secretly working on a censored search app.
00:23:20.000That's a really weird thing to do for anyone.
00:23:23.000Even if you were planning on being evil, wouldn't you at least lie?
00:23:26.000But to be like, we've once said we didn't want to be evil, but now we're kind of thinking, you know, go either way, huh?
00:23:32.000It was an interesting, I wonder who was behind that decision.
00:23:35.000They were like, what happens if we have to be evil?
00:23:38.000You know, and then people are going to yell at us.
00:23:41.000And then when we are evil, we'll be like, well, we got rid of that thing.
00:23:43.000That's why I don't blame them for what they were doing.
00:23:46.000I do think that Google's Project Dragonfly was one example of something where people made enough of a stink about it that they could not handle the bad PR and scrapped it.
00:23:55.000Yeah, even their employees were like, what?
00:23:57.000Cause it was secret from the employees.
00:24:04.000Well, so somebody, somebody once framed for me pretty clearly, like if the Chinese communist party, like actually like sent in planes and troops and tanks and like took over the United States, you know, started gutting it, the manufacturing gutting, like all the technology in Silicon Valley replaced politicians, people would freak out and it would be like the biggest, bloodiest insurgency in history.
00:24:44.000If China invaded the U.S., started seizing large swaths of land, started compromising our politicians and sleeping with certain California congressmen, and stripping away intellectual property rights and
00:24:59.000basically, you know, using our own companies against us. Censoring our movies. Then what would happen is
00:25:04.000the American people, I tell you this, because the American people are lazy and complacent.
00:25:11.000They'd roll over and be like, well, you know, I'm not gonna do anything about it.
00:25:14.000We literally have Joe Biden, they say, is gonna be the president on January 20th.
00:25:57.000Or outright and overt corruption by which 80 million people will support it.
00:26:02.000So I tell you, if the Chinese were like, we're going to take over your country, you'd have 80 million people screaming and clapping and cheering for it.
00:26:27.000And despite the email that happened in 2017 with Hunter Biden asking a very famous Chinese energy tycoon best wishes for the holidays and asking him for $10 million.
00:26:38.000Or where he said, we're trying to get a room for, you know, we're trying to get an office for everybody, including this, you know, Chinese company, as well as Joe and whatever.
00:27:52.000We had a pandemic hit, and we're like, we need medicine quick!
00:27:56.000Call China, because we don't have any factories that can actually make it.
00:27:59.000The coronavirus really made a lot of people become aware of the situation, like when medical supplies, even things like kettlebells, you couldn't get it because everything was made in China.
00:28:09.000I mean, right now, it's still hard to get a lot of specific equipment, professional equipment, bicycles.
00:29:52.000Where he's basically sent, you know, he had NYPD going to Jewish schools with children, and the cops would point their phones inside the windows to film them to prosecute.
00:30:02.000NYPD, police officers, went undercover to a restaurant, ordered food, and then as soon as the person delivered it, arrested them.
00:30:09.000That's the level of depravity coming from the likes of Cuomo.
00:30:13.000And no one in this country is doing anything, and the police officers support it.
00:30:18.000So, you know, to make sure I'm not trying to get off on a tangent outside of the China stuff, when we hear that there's Chinese authoritarian communism and things like this, the American people seem to just roll over and take it for the most part in these blue cities.
00:30:29.000But I'll tell you, I don't see the political willpower from Trump supporters or anyone who could do anything to stop it at this point.
00:30:35.000They're going to completely destroy the economy, and they already have.
00:30:39.000The federal debt-to-GDP ratio is now at 128.6%.
00:30:42.000We're dropping and collapsing so quickly that when many people talk about Thucydides' Trap, and are you familiar with Thucydides' Trap?
00:30:51.000I talked about it quite a bit several months ago.
00:30:53.000That there's been fear for years that we will eventually get into a full-scale war, a hot war with China, because there are rising economic power.
00:31:01.000Well, I guess there's one way to avoid it.
00:31:03.000Have our own politicians destroy this country from the inside out, and then there won't need to be a war.
00:31:08.000You know, I think we did this episode pretty early on the coronavirus called The Cure for Coronavirus is Not Authoritarianism, and it was based on the idea that the Chinese Communist Party was trying to use their model of controlling the coronavirus, which is locking people in their homes, Literally welding them into their homes.
00:31:30.000Welding people in their homes, dragging people out of their homes to put them in quarantine, you know, arresting people, like beating people up for being on the streets when there was a lockdown, and kind of like providing that as a model for other countries as to like, this is the way to deal with the coronavirus.
00:31:46.000And you did see Western media somewhere like, hey, you know, it might be a little authoritarian, but it's working.
00:31:51.000Yeah, like, you know, they got rid of it.
00:31:54.000So I think, in a way, like, the things that you're talking about in New York, or the excessive things that they're doing in California and the different places, like, you know, it was almost like, it was like, it happened in China that they did this lockdown, then it happened in Italy that they did the lockdown.
00:32:09.000It kind of gave permission, in a way, for all of these, you know, people, politicians in different areas to be like, this is the way to deal with it.
00:32:53.000Because we're seeing a lot of photos of them raving and partying and having these these huge the marathon street marathon yes how does like
00:32:59.000how does how do you guys make sense of this story of this deadly pandemic
00:33:04.000everywhere but China's having street parties and raves at the same time did their
00:33:10.000lockdowns work like what's going on here well first of all I know you have some
00:33:15.000specific things you want to say about that Shelly but like over the past couple
00:33:19.000of months you keep seeing like certain cities in China declaring wartime
00:33:23.000measures to fight the coronavirus because there's oh some rumor that maybe like
00:33:27.000somebody got a case and then suddenly they need to test 70,000 people in a
00:33:32.000city And they can do that in like three days because it's a horrible authoritarian regime.
00:33:36.000But so you get the sense that it never did stop.
00:33:39.000There is still something happening, the extent of which we can't know.
00:33:43.000And I know you have some specific things you were talking about earlier.
00:33:46.000Oh yeah, just the idea that, you know, well, I mean in terms of the numbers, there's no way to, like, you cannot, there's no way to even guess because it's not really going to be based in reality.
00:33:59.000You know, there was, You know, China's been organ harvesting, forced organ harvesting from dissidents.
00:34:05.000And, you know, it turns out that, like, some people did a study and found out that, like, the whole, since 2015, they've claimed that they only have organs coming from, you know, voluntary donations.
00:34:50.000You know, I watched, uh, I was watching a video someone posted on Facebook.
00:34:53.000I can't remember what it was, but maybe you guys know, where a guy was explaining that the warfare strategy of China is exploiting the weaknesses of a nation that they accept.
00:35:02.000So if you allow free speech, then we'll support protests against you.
00:35:07.000If racism is a very sensitive issue, then we'll inflame it and we'll just keep pushing it and pushing it and pushing it.
00:35:12.000And that what we're seeing right now is actually the fifth generational war, full scale, with China.
00:35:19.000They know that if they actually, you know, crashed some U-boats on the shores of California and ran in full speed, they might have a very large ground army, but the people would fight back and the Americans would win.
00:35:30.000Air superiority, for one thing, plus all the aircraft carriers we got.
00:35:34.000So what they're doing is subversion, manipulating our systems, stock market, buying land, control.
00:35:41.000They're coming in, they're undermining all of our institutions.
00:35:44.000It's working, and it's collapsing underneath us.
00:35:47.000And I wonder, when we hear things like that from Bill de Blasio, These people, like, I look at the Chinese Communist Party.
00:36:10.000That was like, didn't do anything, did it?
00:36:12.000They had kids literally pulling grass out of the ground because grass was bourgeoisie.
00:36:17.000So, like, clearly that stuff didn't work.
00:36:19.000But now you have people like Bill de Blasio, who clearly is not a smart person, saying, we're gonna do this, you know, readership and wealth.
00:36:26.000So it seems like they've bought and paid for as many elites as they can.
00:36:30.000You've got the Thousand Talents Project program or whatever out of these universities where these people are essentially spies.
00:36:36.000It's really amazing they're not getting charged with treason.
00:37:06.000Well, I think that in a way, like, the Chinese Communist Party is happy to see us destroy ourselves, but they don't really care if we follow communism as an ideology.
00:37:19.000That's not really what they care about.
00:37:20.000What they care about is having the U.S.
00:37:23.000become weakened And so they can continue to, you know, oppress all these other countries and like, you know... Specifically their growing influence in Asia Pacific.
00:37:37.000So the reason I bring this up is we had a story in the New York Times.
00:37:41.000It was updated a couple of days ago, but it was from about a week or so ago, where a university professor said, we should not give the vaccine to the elderly because they tend to be more white.
00:37:52.000and we need to level the playing field with minorities, which is one of the craziest things I've ever seen written
00:37:59.000in the New York Times, where they outright said,
00:38:02.000this professor believes older white people should die to balance the number of people.
00:38:46.000And so when you see this coming out of universities, you see things like the Thousand Talents program, I don't want to get too conspiratorial, but I think when you're talking about China trying to subvert this country, and they have a program in which they buy out university professors, and then you have many university professors who are espousing nonsensical ideas that will only destroy this country, I kind of feel like there's some lines to be connected there.
00:39:17.000Paying professors to bring their research.
00:39:20.000Not to say that specifically they're using Thousand Talents to espouse this kind of weird, you know, far-left or critical race theory stuff.
00:39:26.000Just that I think if they're willing to do that in universities, would they not be willing to push this other kind of ideology because it eats us alive from the inside?
00:39:35.000I do think that the critical race theory is interesting in the sense that the Chinese Communist Party is, like what you said about the video, where they'll use our weaknesses against us, or they'll use our strengths against us and make them weaknesses.
00:39:47.000So with the racism thing, that's one of the things that they've definitely been using.
00:41:04.000And then next week, he's literally threatening martial law, where even Andrew Cuomo had to stop Bill de Blasio and said, wait, hold on there, you're pushing it too far.
00:41:13.000If you're going farther than Andrew Cuomo wants you to go ... you know you're a lunatic and you absolutely lost it and he ... has been a part of this larger divide-and-conquer supporting ... Black Lives Matter protests openly calling for ... demonstrations meanwhile telling you you can't have ... dinner with your family because it's going to spread ... the coronavirus and kill everyone.
00:41:33.000And this Black Lives Matter thing also, we have to admit here, is being exploited by the Chinese, as there have been many Chinese diplomats that have come out and said, the United States is racist.
00:41:47.000There was even a police officer in Hong Kong that was screaming at American journalists there, Black Lives Matter, as he was beating the crap out of the dissidents in Hong Kong.
00:41:58.000So we have to understand there is an element of this exploitation of our racial divide by the Chinese, whether it's being weaponized or just exploited, I think is something, a topic of debate that I think we should talk about.
00:42:13.000It's their favorite thing to bring up and it's the racism because it's like that's the number one thing that they can like anything they can hit us with.
00:42:20.000Yeah, and it's it hits a nerve in the US and also like it's everything they do is whataboutism in a certain sense where like if you try to bring up human rights atrocities in China that the first thing they'll do is bring up racism or whatever.
00:43:06.000You need, they talk about China like it's our customer instead of, oh, the Chinese Communist Party has concentration camps and harvests the organs of people who have wrong political beliefs.
00:43:17.000Joe Biden came out with a statement during International Human Rights Day, which was the 10th, and what was disappointing was that he was like, yes, there are many human rights atrocities around the world, but then was like, we have to talk about systemic injustices here in America and whatever.
00:43:34.000That's fair, but it's kind of like, it is very similar to Chinese propaganda in the sense that they're always talking about like, well, before you can talk about what's wrong in other countries, you have to clean.
00:43:47.000If you're not perfect, you cannot talk about anything else.
00:43:51.000Jordan Peterson says, clean your room, bucko.
00:44:02.000It's not apples and oranges when you compare Black Lives Matter to the Uyghurs, especially when you look at the kind of xenophobia and the treatment of blacks in China.
00:44:11.000And there was an amazing, incredible video that came out that was awe-stunning, showing what was happening with the Chinese government literally blaming black people for the coronavirus.
00:44:21.000Inside of China, kicking them out of their own homes, kicking them out into the street, and then this is the country lecturing us about Black Lives Matter?
00:44:31.000They made a commercial where there's a black man put into a washing machine.
00:47:25.000Well, so then we should be talking about like Kirk Campbell and Jake Sullivan, like people who might be working for the Biden administration, some of the things they've said.
00:47:35.000And it does seem... What are some examples?
00:48:51.000And originally it was kind of a place where Filipino fishermen and Vietnamese fishermen, Chinese fishermen, they could all go and fish in the place.
00:48:58.000It was claimed by several different countries, including the Philippines and China.
00:49:33.000the Chinese forces stay. Yeah. And the US did nothing under Trump. No, this was under this
00:49:40.0002012 under Obama. Oh, that's right. Wow. And this sent shockwaves throughout the Asia Pacific,
00:49:45.000because suddenly this was like all of these other countries realizing if the US
00:49:50.000will turn its back on a mutual defense ally, what's going to happen to us?
00:49:54.000So Thailand began moving closer to the Chinese Communist Party, Philippines, South Korea.
00:50:01.000We also lost South Korea when we were putting in the THAAD missile defense system, and China freaked out about that and began a huge economic warfare against South Korea.
00:51:37.000Trump had deployed bombers and heavy military forces to an airbase in Guam, and then they did I guess what's called like an elephant walk or something.
00:51:44.000Where you see all of these war, you know, planes going, you know, around showing them, look what we got ready to go.
00:51:51.000And then we retreated because the U.S.
00:51:53.000military found out that China has weapons capable of wiping out the entire airbase before those planes can get off the ground.
00:51:59.000So we were forced to pull back and retreat.
00:52:00.000Well, that also reminds me of that the Chinese Navy has more ships than the U.S.
00:52:05.000now, which are not necessarily the same equivalent in terms of Technical capability?
00:52:17.000Well, I'll tell you, not that it's a one-for-one comparison or a comparison at all, but I think most people who play strategy games know the power of a wave of small troops versus one powerful unit.
00:52:42.000And the typical response is, if you think, if that's what you think, you need to look up the history of Vietnam and Afghanistan.
00:52:49.000A handful of people with weapons is going to outdo, you know, it's going to easily... I'll put it this way.
00:52:57.000Fighter jets can't occupy street corners.
00:52:59.000So there is something to be said for China having more ships, even if they're not nearly as capable.
00:53:05.000Because, uh, you know, and, and correct me if I'm wrong.
00:53:07.000I mean, I don't think you guys are experts on, you know, World War II in Russia, but I was reading about how Russia mass produced really low quality tanks that were getting blown up like crazy by the Nazis, but they just had so many!
00:53:31.000The AK-47, you could bury in the mud and still use it.
00:53:34.000Make something that is cheap, but easy to produce and fast.
00:53:39.000And then sure, the Nazis were able to blow up these Russian tanks, but they just kept sending wave after wave because they could just keep making them.
00:53:46.000Wave after wave of our own men until they run out of bullets.
00:53:50.000We have to understand when we look at China's strategy now, it's pretty brilliant.
00:53:55.000I mean, historically, China hasn't been that strong because of its geopolitical location.
00:54:00.000But if they're able to offset the fight on islands, especially along very important trade routes, they're implementing a similar policy like the Japanese did during World War II.
00:54:12.000So this is the first beginning of this Chinese expansion, which they need, because essentially they're landlocked, and they're landlocked in not a strong position.
00:54:22.000When you look at their natural resources, they're not doing that well.
00:54:25.000As you said, they just imported a whole bunch of grain, because it's very hard for the Chinese government and the Chinese...
00:54:32.000country to produce for itself this is why they're also trying to expand their territory in the himalayas against the troops in india so we're seeing if china really wants to dominate the world they're going to have to have a bunch of islands along these trade routes and if you look at world wars they always start along trade routes so this is very key and and one of the reasons why they're building so many of these uh strategic locations that they're expanding it so we have to Yes.
00:56:42.000So so they found channels that were small to midsize, maybe 10, 20,000 subscribers or more, would just be like, wow, a couple hundred bucks, I need the money.
00:56:49.000And they would upload this propaganda piece from China.
00:56:52.000It's it's amazing, like all the little pieces of propaganda that are able to filter into the Yeah.
00:56:58.000Can you guys explain some of the larger propaganda efforts that are utilized in China?
00:57:02.000I know there's a crackdown on religions, but I also have seen videos of people rebelling and fighting against the Chinese government as well.
00:57:11.000Is there anything legitimately going on or is the propaganda so strong with the social credit score that there isn't any resistance at all?
00:59:12.000And they're rich because their families have some connection to the party, or their families are party members, like they have some kind of wealth that's tied back to the Communist Party.
00:59:24.000And all the young people have been kind of brainwashed to be very nationalistic, so they'll be very supportive of the Chinese Communist Party, but that's not the real case on the ground.
00:59:35.000But you can't know that, because even on the internet, Chinese people are very careful about what they say, because they know that you're going to get sent to prison for saying the wrong thing on WeChat or whatever, so they won't say it online.
00:59:48.000There are videos I've seen where somebody might be filming in China, and then they ask a question, the person will go under their breath and be like, I don't know, I can't talk about this.
00:59:57.000So he was saying that there are so many people who are against the Chinese Communist Party, but it is hard, unless you have the connections inside China, to know that they're there.
01:00:07.000I want to point something out real quick, too, because there's a stereotype about Chinese people being really bad drivers, right?
01:00:13.000Family Guy is a joke where, you know, just the other day we were watching Family Guy, and there's a Chinese woman, and she's like, how long do I need to signal to change eight lanes?
01:00:21.000And then she just crashes the car or whatever.
01:00:23.000But I was talking to this guy I know who spent a lot of his life in China and he said, what people don't realize, the Chinese who can make it to the United States tend to be wealthier than those who stay in China.
01:00:46.000And so it's a class issue of where you end up seeing these stereotypically bad drivers.
01:00:51.000Not to say that it's legitimately true that, you know, every person is bad at driving, but he pointed out, you don't realize these are the wealthy people who are coming here.
01:00:59.000And that's why that stereotype, you know, ends up coming about.
01:01:02.000I mean, in China, people are notoriously bad drivers, but that's also because they've only been driving since, like, the early 2000s, really.
01:01:13.000Yeah, so most people had not been driving that long, so there's a lot of, like, you know, the kind of traffic adequate that, like, the kind of stuff that's not necessarily a law, but, like, people learn, like, You know you're gonna let people into the lane if they need to like merge or whatever that stuff doesn't exist.
01:01:29.000Like that kind of culture because they haven't been driving that long.
01:01:31.000It's pretty easy to just find like horrific videos of like Like someone crossing the street and then just like at a hundred miles an hour, boom, run over by you.
01:01:41.000There's a huge emerging middle class in China, which is looking like it's going to be a problem for the larger government.
01:01:48.000It's very interesting to see how they're going to address that problem.
01:01:51.000But very interestingly, when you talked about the one child policy, I automatically thought about many American elites.
01:01:58.000A lot of specialized high-level individuals like Ted Turner that are fans of the one-child policy and have complimented it before on the American stage as well.
01:02:07.000So it is interesting to see the kind of ties to a lot of these individuals.
01:02:11.000I actually talked to Ted Turner and I asked him.
01:02:14.000If you believe in the one-child policy as much as you do and as much as you advocate for it, why do you have four children?
01:02:35.000And the Chinese government kind of knows it, but they can't say it.
01:02:39.000Because they can't admit they made a mistake.
01:02:41.000Yeah, so that's why there's now a two-child policy instead of a one-child policy, because they realized they screwed themselves with the population control.
01:02:48.000And just to big picture for a moment, the Chinese Communist Party has concentration camps, harvests, organs, and for many years it was illegal to have a brother or a sister.
01:03:00.000The thing with Chinese law or policy is that they have a decree from up top and then it's up to the local officials to implement it, and they do it very unevenly depending on where you are.
01:03:14.000So if you're in like a wealthier area maybe you just have to pay a fine and you can afford it to have another kid.
01:03:20.000In the rural areas like that's like the more disadvantaged you are like the more likely that it's gonna be like you get hauled into a van or a forced abortion or something like that because they have to make an example out of you and also the terrible thing was that a lot of these family planning policies like the one-child policy they were a way for local governments to make money So, if they couldn't find you, then they would make an example out of you.
01:03:45.000And even, like, you know, in the 90s, a lot of people were starting to adopt Chinese girls, like, in the U.S.
01:03:53.000and other places, so they were like, oh, well, girls aren't wanted, so, you know, we're gonna adopt them.
01:03:58.000Right, so that's what I wanted to ask, right?
01:04:01.000Did they create this imbalance where there's not enough women for the men, though?
01:04:04.000They did, but also there was like something that weird that happened where there became a black market for Chinese baby girls to sell to be adopted in the US.
01:04:17.000Because like they would like, let's say you had a second child.
01:04:21.000and it was a girl and you didn't want to give the kid up they could take the kid from you and put it in an orphanage and the local government could be like this baby was abandoned and then so you had cases of like families where like their kid was literally taken from them and then you know the adoptive parents like usually pay hundreds or maybe a couple thousand dollars to the local
01:04:40.000government for the adoption so the local government is making money off of like
01:04:45.000stealing kids and selling them to be adopted to the US. So cool. And sex trafficking is such a huge
01:04:50.000issue like that I know the Trump administration sanctioned or not sanctioned but like called out China for
01:04:57.000human trafficking but yeah that's that's a big way they're dealing with this
01:06:11.000See, see, I think, you know, one of the things that Luke and I talk about a lot, especially I think most people when it comes to the Obama administration and foreign policy is clearly the Middle East, Libya, Syria, for really good examples, the drone strikes in Yemen, things like that.
01:06:23.000I didn't even know about that, that he essentially abandoned our allies in the in the South, in the South, in Southeast Asia.
01:06:30.000I think they started to realize towards the end of Obama's second term that they had kind of screwed up in Asia.
01:06:36.000But it was kind of, it ended up being more of a PR kind of thing than actually policy.
01:06:42.000Look, I think, you know, we had the TPP.
01:06:44.000It didn't include China, but, you know, these free trade agreements that the Obama administration was very much in favor of, the things Joe Biden has advocated for.
01:06:53.000When I hear Tony Bobulinski, you know, he's the guy who basically blew the whistle on the Biden family, say they're compromised.
01:07:00.000When I hear... Look, there's a lot of things we can call Hunter Biden for.
01:07:02.000These equity deals, the $5 million forgivable interest-free loan.
01:07:06.000But Joe Biden... That was a nice deal.
01:07:10.000They say, you know, Joe Biden wasn't involved in any capacity, but I gotta bring it up again, you know, he actually flew with government property, Air Force Two, his son, to China for these private equity deals.
01:07:20.000It didn't go through, you know, but that's part of the connections.
01:07:26.000The thing about that private equity deal is, like, the Hunter Biden lawyer came up with a denial, but if you read the denial, it's actually very cleverly worded, because a lot of people don't know how private equity deals work.
01:07:37.000I didn't when I was reading about this Hunter Biden scandal at first, when it first came out a couple years ago.
01:07:42.000So I thought, oh, well, what the lawyer said is correct.
01:07:46.000Like he only put half a million dollars in or whatever.
01:07:49.000And, but like the truth is that that money, like the private equity deal actually did go through
01:07:55.000and it's involved in a really weird way with Chinese state-owned corporations
01:08:01.000where it seems like why would these state-owned corporations
01:08:06.000need this private equity firm made out of just Americans?
01:08:11.000Because the banks are lending money to the state-owned corporations.
01:08:17.000There's no reason for a Western private equity firm to come into this.
01:08:21.000So we heard that viral video, and he said, you know, now that Biden is in, you know, Trump talked a lot about his son Hunter and how he built up this wealth.
01:08:31.000And then he says, who do you think got him that?
01:08:38.000Okay, with the Air Force Two scenario, the private equity deal, I tell you, man, I believe Tony Bobulinski that Joe Biden's compromised.
01:08:46.000And this creates a very, very nightmarish scenario for Americans when we're watching specific states, you know, I'll single out the Democrats on this one, that are essentially using the Constitution as toilet paper.
01:08:57.000And then you have the real threat that China is, it looks like they're preparing a ground invasion of Taiwan.
01:09:20.000Well, so I think the at an absolute minimum with the Hunter Biden stuff at an absolute minimum, he had like he had a point secret service watching over him.
01:09:29.000It's impossible that Joe Biden did not know something was happening.
01:09:38.000It's too much of a stretch of the imagination.
01:09:40.000Look, if you guys are even somewhat jokingly, but it seems very serious to say that Chinese authoritarian communists or Chinese communist authoritarians are invading this country, they're subverting it, And you've got these people coming in the Biden
01:09:53.000administration who you say are proud of what's going on.
01:09:57.000You know, Luke mentioning Henry Kissinger advising Obama's national security adviser. Is that who it was?
01:10:02.000Then at what point do the American people have to rise up in the streets and do something about it?
01:10:22.000Otherwise the weather, it's just impossible.
01:10:24.000Yeah, as soon as Joe Biden won, the first thing I said, this is not a loss for just Donald Trump.
01:10:30.000This is a loss for Taiwan, which essentially is being isolated, not just by China, but also larger institutions like the World Health Organization that don't even recognize it as an official country.
01:10:41.000But another thing to really consider here is that also, you know, it's not too late.
01:10:45.000It's not over because China also has their own problems.
01:10:48.000When we look at their financial systems, it's just as fake and artificial as the United States.
01:10:55.000When you look at their huge population of men, when you look at their natural resources, when you look at the problems that they have within their own empire, you see something that is not as strong as the United States right now, which is something important to highlight.
01:11:09.000There is one thing I have to say about that.
01:11:12.000We did this in terms of like, we gave China the money.
01:11:15.000We gave the Chinese Communist Party the money to be able to build themselves up.
01:11:33.000Yeah, and the DNA sequencers are being used in Xinjiang to monitor the Uyghurs.
01:11:37.000But I think the mistake we're making now is giving them more money.
01:11:43.000The Di Dongshen thing that you talked about, most people have seen the 7-minute version or some of the clips where he talks about Biden and things like that, but the full 18-minute speech that he gives, most of it is actually about US-China decoupling.
01:13:28.000Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock, last year made a speech at like a big gala dinner for this US-China association.
01:13:37.000And he was talking in front of Henry Kissinger, in front of the Chinese ambassador, about how great China was and, you know, it's so great that they've lifted so many people out of poverty.
01:13:48.000You know praising them using like China prop Chinese propaganda stuff and then saying but like you know what there's still a lot of people who need help in China and you know BlackRock can you know we can go in and we can you know provide that type of support for You know the Chinese people and help them make more money using our services.
01:14:08.000You know who else is really invest in BlackRock?
01:14:12.000Comcast, which owns NBC, MSNBC, which also has not really been reporting much on the whole Eric Swalwell fang fang.
01:14:34.000We actually have somebody on our team working for our other show, America Uncovered, working on an episode about Great reset, kind of looking at what they're saying.
01:14:43.000It's actually weird how, well, I'm repeating what he has told me, but that in like the actual speech, it's very vague what they're talking about.
01:14:51.000It's just like kind of ideas, but nothing specific, which is very... Resetting global capitalism.
01:15:51.000I remember watching a video about this, gutter oil, and what was happening, people found essentially free.
01:15:58.000So they would take, you know, scooping devices of some sort and go into the sewer lines and scoop out refuse and then strain the oil out of it, boil it, and then use it to cook food and sell street food and people get sick from it, guaranteed.
01:16:12.000Cause it's, uh, my understanding is that it wasn't even necessarily food oil.
01:16:24.000The Chinese Communist Party just like blew up any kind of rule of law within the country.
01:16:29.000And so it just became really horribly corrupt.
01:16:33.000I think the gutter oil thing, too, is one reason why Chinese people don't actually trust a lot of the food in China.
01:16:40.000It's been regulated now, so I think it's not as big of a problem as it was a few years ago.
01:16:44.000But I don't know if you know about the milk powder scandal that happened back in 2008.
01:16:49.000These babies were having weird, deformed heads and stuff like that.
01:16:53.000And it turned out that these farmers were putting melamine, like the plastic, melamine shavings, to make the protein levels look higher somehow like whatever test they were using for protein like melamine could fake the protein level so they were buying kind of like extra melamine shavings from factories and putting them in the milk and it was making babies really sick and killed a few of them kidney stones like problems and they first of all covered up this whole thing because it was happening right before the olympics so like they covered up this for as long as they could and then it kind of broke right after the olympics happened
01:17:28.000And then Chinese people were like outraged.
01:17:31.000They executed the head of China's food and drug administration.
01:17:48.000They started like Chinese people would go buy like Formula and stuff from Australian New Zealand in bulk so that you could not actually get it if you wanted it for your baby I remember being in Hong Kong and being like why are all these people walking around with suitcases?
01:18:03.000And why is there no baby formula anywhere?
01:18:06.000And why are they buying it up all the time and then that story broke and there was a huge controversy but I You see a lot of these kind of stories with fake meat, with fake fruit, fake vegetables.
01:18:17.000What are some of the most shocking ones that haven't made the headlines in the United States that you guys picked up on that really raised your eyebrows to say, holy cow, this is crazy?
01:18:28.000Well, the thing that comes to mind, it's not quite that, but I'm just thinking of covering up everything that's happening with the coronavirus.
01:19:42.000And they were filtering it, boiling it, and serving it to people.
01:19:47.000You know, I think back to the days of snake oil in the wild, wild west.
01:19:50.000And you see, this is why I'm kind of a liberal and I'm, I'm okay with the regulation.
01:19:53.000Cause I, you know, I know the story about the Cuyahoga river, the, you know, the fire burst in the river and we got to, you know, clean up our water, clean up our environment.
01:20:01.000This is the kind of stuff that nightmares are made of when it's just unrepentant.
01:20:24.000Yeah, I, I, yeah, I remember it was, it's, it's, there's a video from Radio Free Asia, I think, going back to 2013 or so, where they show the process of making this.
01:20:45.000Well, there's the wet markets that the Chinese government said that they were getting rid of because it could have been potentially where the coronavirus came from.
01:20:52.000And now the wet markets are back right now, which is another important aspect that people need to understand.
01:20:57.000So well, so this is this is important.
01:20:58.000Can you guys break down what the wet markets are?
01:21:00.000I mean largely it's like just a normal kind of outdoor market.
01:21:06.000They play a critical role in a lot of people's lives in China.
01:21:08.000Because there's not like in terms of like the food supply chain a lot of people actually buy food from the wet markets.
01:21:13.000Is it just it's like what like they have meats and foods out on like ice or whatever?
01:21:17.000Yeah so like a lot of it is most most of it is just vegetables or like meat or whatever some of it is like living animals so you like in china a lot of poultry markets they're like live chickens or whatever and then you get a chicken they'll kill it for you um but then some of these wet markets have like weird exotic animal stuff like bats yeah or
01:21:38.000pangolins or yeah like different I think because people were at first saying that
01:21:42.000like the wet market of Wuhan didn't sell bats but maybe it went through to a
01:21:46.000pangolin basically but like there and there was like a famously like a picture
01:21:51.000going around of like a board from this wet market talking about like how you
01:21:55.000could get like crocodile or like all these different like exotic animals but
01:22:00.000like that's not like that's kind of like not most of what wet markets are
01:22:06.000So wet markets are kind of necessary for their like For Chinese people to get food.
01:22:12.000But like the kind of like exotic animals, like living exotic animals and stuff like that, that's where you, the poultry too, that's been a problem with like avian flu in the past.
01:22:22.000So that's where you kind of get into the trouble where like weird diseases could come up.
01:22:27.000Hey, wouldn't it have been nice if there was an independent investigation into the origin of the coronavirus?
01:22:32.000I was going to ask you guys, what do you think happened?
01:22:34.000Because the official story, according to the communist government, is that this was the wet market.
01:22:39.000There's some people speculating that this was because of the gain of function research that was happening at the Wuhan laboratory.
01:22:46.000There's other people making up other theories.
01:22:48.000What do you guys think happened specifically with China?
01:22:52.000Well, specifically, leaked internal documents from the World Health Organization showed that they made a deal not to investigate the origin.
01:23:15.000Maybe it came from frozen food that was imported into China.
01:23:19.000They're just trying to, they don't even say it's the wet market anymore.
01:23:23.000I mean I think at first I thought well it's pretty likely it did come from a wet market because that's what's happened multiple times with bird flu and SARS was a similar situation.
01:23:34.000but um you know it seems that there have been earlier um outbreaks than what was associated with the wet market outbreak so it's not really clear anymore they're covering up and this is the reason why they're going so hard against australia now well one of the reasons they're going against australia but they were asked they were demanding an international independent investigation makes sense and they hit australia hard I was reading about the Spanish flu, the 1918 flu pandemic.
01:24:06.000Well, interestingly, there's several theories about where it actually came from.
01:24:10.000And so the two leading theories that it actually wasn't Spain, it was, it came, there was World War I, basically, and you had A lot of people were in the trenches.
01:24:45.000The Chinese people gained a herd immunity to it.
01:24:48.000It made its way to, you know, through Europe to the U.S., and by the time the mutated strain had come back to Europe, they already had herd immunity to that similar strain, so they were less impacted by it.
01:24:58.000It's interesting to even, you know, go back a hundred years.
01:25:00.000Now, there are academics who are saying, you know, and especially Chinese academics saying, that's not true, you're lying, you know, it was you, you're dirty, and things like that.
01:25:07.000I had a moment where I was like, 100 years ago wasn't 1918.
01:25:18.000Yeah, just China back then was also an entirely different place for people.
01:25:22.000That was before the Communist Revolution, right?
01:25:24.000Yeah, and I think an issue people sometimes have is like they conflate all of China's 5,000 years of history to what the Communist Party is doing now, which is grossly inaccurate.
01:25:35.000The Chinese Communist Party is, you know, communism is a Western ideology that came to China And basically it's the Dark Ages.
01:25:44.000Didn't something happen where they melted down all of their like plow shares?
01:25:53.000Well so Mao wanted to increase steel production and so there was this insane thing where just everyone like everywhere like in hospitals and schools they were all melting down metal to make steel and it was Not, like, steel you could use.
01:26:12.000Yeah, and, like, it was completely useless.
01:26:14.000You can't make a walk into, like, steel beams that you can use for anything.
01:26:18.000Yeah, and because it was, like, this, you know, top-down, state-mandated thing, farmers, like, had to keep up production, and so they, like, there were issues of them just, like, using their farm tools, and then famine.
01:26:32.000There was many reasons the famine happened, from the sparrow campaign where they killed all the sparrows because the sparrows ate the seeds and so you gotta kill all the sparrows, but the sparrows also ate the locusts.
01:26:44.000The culture revolution was when they started purging all of the traditional... Yeah, that came after.
01:26:49.000Yeah, yeah, so can you explain the culture revolution?
01:26:53.000Mao basically felt that he was losing control of the party politically.
01:26:58.000So he announced that the party had kind of lost its way, that the party was becoming too bourgeois, so they needed a cultural revolution within the Communist Party to kind of purge the party of counter-revolutionary elements.
01:27:14.000And he gave power to the Red Guards, which hadn't existed before.
01:27:18.000They're kind of these groups of, like, young people who were, you know, basically worship Mao.
01:27:22.000So he basically used the Red Guards to, um, so he could take power from the people that he felt in the political system who were trying to, like, take... He was also very paranoid.
01:27:35.000So he felt that they were trying to take power from him so he used the Red Guards to basically cause chaos in society and like there are different factions of Red Guards and they would fight each other in the streets.
01:27:46.000You know like the whole Chinese society ground to a halt essentially.
01:27:51.000It's kind of hard to like talk like for anyone who didn't live through the Cultural Revolution to kind of like get the real flavor of it.
01:27:57.000I've heard described from Chinese people who lived through it that it's like we went crazy for 10 years.
01:28:02.000Yeah I mean it was really much worse in the beginning and then towards the end it kind of started to peter out a little bit more.
01:28:07.000My parents were both alive during the cultural revolution and they would talk about it but like they wouldn't really talk about like all the bad things that happened for a long time and then they started when I was like a teenager actually talking about like my mom said she watched The students in her, she was in elementary school.
01:28:25.000She watched other students tie her teacher up and beat her.
01:28:30.000Because like, you know, any authority figures were considered like, you know, possible counter revolutionaries or there were different phases of it where like, you could be a rightist or you could be a counter revolutionary.
01:28:41.000You could be like, like you could be like, there could be a lot of things that like, you know, you know, you could be a, like if you were a fascist, you if you were you were like oh you you might be related to a landlord like if your family used to own land before the communist revolution then you were you know like you you were like a black force like they were all tied to the kmt at one point how many people died during this period and do you see any parallels with what's happening culturally in the united states i well i do think the cultural revolution
01:29:15.000like Nazi Germany is a point in history that like we should all
01:29:19.000learn something from because how a society gets to that point
01:29:23.000It's it's it's something we all need to be on guard for because it was people killing
01:29:29.000Yeah, are we are we on track to that point?
01:29:31.000well, so for example like one of the like people would call like somebody a counter-revolutionary and
01:29:37.000And, like, I think it was, nobody really knew what that meant.
01:29:40.000It was just, like, that's the bad thing.
01:29:50.000You had, like, neighborhood committees that were set up specifically to watch whether anybody was getting out of line.
01:29:55.000Parents had to be afraid of their children.
01:29:57.000Yeah, you had children who, like, children were taught in schools to, like, spy on their parents to see if they were a counter-revolutionary.
01:30:04.000And, you know, you had people who actually denounced their parents to the Red Guards, and the Red Guards killed their parents.
01:30:10.000And they thought that they were doing the right thing.
01:30:13.000Well, we all know about, you know, Germany during World War II, but when you look at the lives lost then, and when you compare it to the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the leap forward, it's insignificant.
01:31:36.000So I have a friend, I mentioned, I have a friend in Ukraine, and she was telling me how when I was at her apartment, it's like these old Soviet communist block buildings, that neighbors who would have disputes, the easy way to resolve a dispute was they would just call the police and say, my neighbor is bad-mouthing the party.
01:31:55.000And then the next day the apartment would be empty and the person would be gone.
01:35:39.000We were talking to somebody about, you know, oftentimes people will say, oh, well, you know, they're, they're great technocrats.
01:35:45.000there in China and and that's actually like a horrible thing to it's what it is is like they have these soulless solutions to problems like if you have too many Falun Gong people you need some organs simple tech crack solution take their organ sell it it's become huge business There you go.
01:36:08.000And then I think the thing with us admiring the technocratic ability of China, like when you see in the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times, they're talking about like, you know, China's technocrats that build these like huge skyscrapers and these like high speed rail.
01:36:22.000You know, or high speed rail, which they stole from Japan, like all this kind of stuff.
01:36:26.000And like, we admire that, in a way, and like, we're like, being this way technocratic is good.
01:36:32.000And then we don't, it's like taking the morality out of it because if you don't talk about, you can't say genocide.
01:36:39.000If you talk about genocide, then you have to kind of grapple with what is actually happening in China.
01:36:45.000Oh, maybe we shouldn't be doing business there.
01:36:47.000Well, another aspect that kind of really worries me with the technocracy is the development
01:36:51.000of artificial intelligence, which we know China is rapidly working on with some
01:36:57.000of the biggest corporations in the world.
01:36:59.000How do you see this kind of race, which Vladimir Putin has kind of described as building the next nuclear weapon, which he described artificial intelligence as, specifically in relation to China?
01:37:12.000There is this bigger problem of China.
01:37:15.000The Chinese Communist Party obviously has No moral regulations on things.
01:37:20.000So they're able to invite scientists from around the world to come to China and do, we spoke to a geneticist about this, they can do any, this is getting into Alex Jones territory now.
01:37:32.000Congratulations for not being banned for having him on twice.
01:37:36.000But yeah, they offer scientists and businesses from around the world just unlimited sums of money to do whatever.
01:37:42.000And because there are no privacy laws in China, These big tech companies can have access to data that would be illegal in like the United States.
01:37:53.000You know, the best organ transplant breakthroughs in the past decade have come from China.
01:37:59.000But because people don't believe that the forced organ harvesting is happening there, even though there is copious amounts of evidence that this is happening.
01:38:06.000For example, I remember this specifically, the Kunming Kidney Disease Center had a promise that if the first transplant
01:38:13.000didn't work, they would keep doing them until it did work.
01:38:16.000And wouldn't charge you. And if you know anything about transplant, it is impossible to have like a bunch of
01:38:26.000Yeah, there was a story that broke this summer where a Chinese woman who lived in Japan
01:38:32.000Had to go back to China for this is a heartwarming story for a heart transplant
01:38:37.000It took them three hearts before she got one that worked.
01:38:42.000And like it was like it was it was actually like you know portrayed in Chinese state-run media as this great thing that like she was the you know the country cared about her so much the party cared about her so much that they brought her from Japan and they gave her hearts until it worked you know and they accidentally admitted that they had you know Or the bank of prisoners or whatever.
01:39:06.000We, you know, at least I've laughed at some pretty dark things, but it's the sheer absurdity of how awful it is.
01:40:37.000And for some reason, it's just going to keep happening.
01:40:40.000Well, the media has completely failed on the story of organ harvesting.
01:40:45.000You only really started to see any reporting on organ harvesting in the past year after a group called the China Tribunal, which was led by a guy named Sir Geoffrey Nice, who oversaw the war crime trial of Slobodan Milosevic.
01:41:01.000They spent like a year looking into it and ruled like this is definitely happening.
01:41:10.000And in this tribunal there was an interesting story where a former New York Times reporter, D.D.
01:41:17.000Kirsten Tatlow, uh was in China she said she overheard officials talking about organ harvesting.
01:41:23.000It was two doctors she was at like she was doing stories about organ harvesting but not related to the forced organ harvesting related to the idea that China was going to start using organ donors and which is a lie and then she said okay she was at a dinner with these two Chinese doctors and like they were talking about this like the fact that the Chinese um government had said they're no longer going to use prisoner organs And then one of the doctors said to the others, the other, we can't use prisoner organs.
01:42:27.000Like a nice way of saying that these are only like crackpot conspiracy theorists, people who believe in this.
01:42:32.000And so she was discouraged from looking into this.
01:42:35.000The New York Times still has not covered the tribunal as far as I've seen.
01:42:38.000And then basically she also thinks that bringing this up was one of the reasons she didn't get a promotion later because her editors like were so upset about this.
01:42:48.000It's how the game is played at these media companies.
01:42:52.000So look, especially right now in media, one of the stories we covered the other day is that CNN's president, Jeff Zucker, is probably going to quit.
01:44:26.000Trump supporters are telling Mitch, GTFO.
01:44:28.000So if the Democrats end up taking everything and we have a president who is, in my opinion, you know, compromised by China, but at the very least we'll call him sympathetic based on the people you mentioned that he surrounds himself with.
01:44:38.000I think China's, China's going to get carte blanche.
01:44:40.000They're going to do what they want and U.S.
01:45:33.000We've seen nothing to indicate we've actually been hacked, other than they told us that's what happened.
01:45:37.000And many people who held stock at SolarWinds, the company that was hacked, sold off a large portion of that stock just before the news broke, so perhaps something happened.
01:45:55.000Meanwhile, the actual threat is China.
01:45:59.000And it's seemingly going to be ignored by this incoming administration.
01:46:02.000I think the Trump administration is trying to do, especially the State Department, is trying to do as much as they can.
01:46:07.000Like, that would be hard for the Biden administration to reverse.
01:46:12.000One of the things about the AI thing that Luke was talking about is after the Trump administration started banning Chinese tech companies from getting US technology like
01:46:22.000semiconductor technology the the chip technology It actually crippled Huawei and ZTE and a lot of these
01:46:29.000Companies SMIC is one of the ones that they're putting on the Commerce Department blacklist today
01:46:35.000And that's China's biggest chip manufacturer, but they don't have the technology
01:46:40.000Like they cannot make the chips as advanced as the US chips are
01:46:44.000So it actually has slowed them down a lot in terms of being able to develop these like supercomputers and things like that.
01:47:02.000companies got in trouble for providing technology that was powering this huge Chinese supercomputer center that was basically running 24-7 surveillance in Xinjiang.
01:47:15.000Well, part of the problem is because they think they're doing business with civilian private companies in China.
01:47:21.000But China has a specific civil-military fusion, they call it, where basically every company, private or whatever, has to help the Chinese Communist Party.
01:47:30.000So there is no separation between the party and private individuals, private companies.
01:47:37.000I think the distinctions between authoritarianism is mostly pointless.
01:47:40.000When we say communist or fascist or Nazi or whatever, the real problem is always authoritarian because they function in much the same way.
01:47:46.000We get into arguments over, but was their economic system based upon, you know, no, no, no, no.
01:47:57.000And I think the real end risk is not necessarily that the Chinese Communist Party is going to completely take over the world or the United States.
01:48:05.000As Luke was saying, the Communist Party is actually horribly corrupt.
01:48:07.000It's built on a very shaky foundation.
01:48:10.000I think what the biggest risk is, if we don't stand up now and get more in bed with the Chinese Communist Party, when it collapses, we'll be so tied to that.
01:48:21.000That it will just have a ripple effect.
01:48:23.000We saw what happened with the coronavirus, how there was just things we couldn't get.
01:48:29.000And like Italy, one of the first countries to get it really badly outside China, has a lot of ties to China.
01:48:34.000Economic ties and also factories with made in Italy labels that are specifically done through... She went there.
01:48:42.000I went to some of those factories in a city called Prado, which is largely Chinese now.
01:48:47.000And there are sweatshops in the back alleys.
01:48:49.000Exactly, so the Chinese are literally importing slave factories to Italy so they could have made-in-Italy products stamped legally.
01:48:57.000And this is one of the reasons why they said that the coronavirus spread so vastly and so fast in Italy.
01:49:04.000It was because of this program of slave workers going back and forth.
01:49:08.000And Italy was the first Western country to get involved in the Belt and Road Initiative, and so the government was very reluctant to criticize We didn't even talk about Belt and Road, which is a huge way that they're kind of taking over, too.
01:50:11.000I think people are obsessed with it because, you know, it's useful, it's valuable, and it's scarce and can only become more scarce.
01:50:20.000But I always tell people, if you think that we're coming to a point of hyperinflation where you're not gonna be able to buy anything, what makes you think anyone's gonna want your Bitcoin?
01:50:27.000If I'm starving and dehydrated, I'm gonna be like, get away from me, and I'm gonna run towards the guy who's got a bottle of water.
01:50:33.000So I always tell people, invest in things.
01:50:35.000Here's what I was telling Ian earlier today.
01:50:39.000Think about the most common thing you use throughout the day, and most people use, that is the hardest to produce.
01:50:48.000Whatever that might be, I'm not entirely sure.
01:50:49.000Perhaps antiseptics, that's kind of what we were thinking of.
01:51:37.000That will use the power specifically to like, today, the news came out that Turkey is taking 20 million doses of vaccines from China.
01:51:46.000And they also in the same, like the Chinese state we're meeting in the same announcement said that Turkey also said that they, you know, approve of China's counter revolution, like counter terrorism efforts, and that shouldn't be politicized.
01:51:58.000And Turkey will not allow anybody within its borders to talk like, you know, upset Chinese sovereignty.
01:52:03.000And what that means is, They're going after the Uyghurs, because Turkey has the largest population of Uyghur exiles in the world.
01:52:26.000For expensive pharmaceuticals or like more complicated pharmaceuticals, we actually mostly manufacture them in the US.
01:52:32.000But a lot of the cheaper, like generic, like what you're talking about, antibiotics come from China, or a lot of times the raw ingredients for those come from China.
01:52:41.000So, I think we still use tetracycline, right?
01:52:46.000Let's talk about a generic medication that's very common.
01:52:49.000When it's manufactured in China and brought here, does it go through a rigorous molecular analysis to make sure what's in that is actually what they claim it is?
01:52:57.000Well, if there was a situation where they were actually exporting, like, Trash that was actually killing Americans?
01:53:05.000But you look at the strategy of China, it's not to come in marching with weapons and shooting people down, it's to subvert.
01:53:11.000So if they could put something that... Let's say there's an ingredient they could add in a very small dose.
01:53:16.000Let's say we're producing these genetics that are used, you know, maybe by 100,000 people per day across the United... or 100,000 people per week across the United States.
01:53:25.000We had an ingredient at a ratio of 0.5%, which will create a mortality in the U.S.
01:53:55.000And you know, they have total government surveillance, but they somehow don't know when factories are sending fentanyl to the U.S.
01:54:01.000Well, technically to Mexico, which then brings it to the U.S.
01:54:05.000There's connections to the Mexican drug cartels.
01:54:07.000I wonder if, you know, if it's something that I can think about the top of my head, certainly the Chinese Communist Party has had meetings where they're like, Can we add something at a very small dose that would go unnoticed as medications that would create a mortality rate negligible but or unnoticeable but not negligible to us?
01:54:24.000I think that would be hard for them to do.
01:54:26.000I wouldn't say that they wouldn't try to do something like that, but the danger is In that being discovered and the backlash being so because like you look at what they've done with the they tried this whole mask Diplomacy thing a few months ago where they were like, oh we are going to send masks like, you know KN95s for the coronavirus to all these different countries around the world And tech and tests and they were you know, and there was a huge backlash.
01:54:53.000So that was bad for them to have like the quality thing and So if it's like, oh my gosh, drugs from China are faulty, then that would be worse for them.
01:55:04.000Well, I think the point Shelley is making is that that's still a risk of being exposed versus like all the other ways that if they are very successful at subverting the United States, like just buy off Wall Street.
01:55:15.000Or buy off the incoming president, you know?
01:56:12.000Well, that wasn't in the Axios article.
01:56:13.000I think it was like a later accusation.
01:56:17.000He's not denying it, which is important to understand here.
01:56:19.000But one thing that you brought up that I think is really worth considering is China's relationship with other countries.
01:56:25.000You specifically brought up Turkey, but I really wanted to talk about Russia because there's many official and unofficial alliances that they have with Russia, which again, now Biden is kind of pointing as their main geopolitical foe to the United States.
01:56:38.000But We also have to understand geopolitically on the world stage, Russia and China have always been together, especially when it comes to significant moves against the U.S.
01:56:47.000dollar, and especially when it comes to countering American foreign policy like with Iran, Syria, Iraq.
01:56:54.000They get involved and they work together against U.S.
01:57:23.000They do these weird things where like Xi will go to Russia and have like caviar, or Putin will come to China and they'll like have Putin make a dumpling.
01:57:32.000And they, um, they, last time Xi Jinping went to Russia, they had, like, Xi Jinping's favorite ice cream.
01:58:00.000You know, that's the whole Nixon thing where he was like, well, they're split.
01:58:03.000So, um, but like they will always stand like in the UN at any international body, they will unite to stand against the U.S.
01:58:11.000But they're also doing a sharing of technology and sharing of, uh, their military with specific drills that they conduct together as they're, you know, working in cohesion many times as well, which I think is something significant that we should really also look out for as well.
01:58:25.000I mean, but the Chinese military is also working with the Canadian military.
01:58:30.000Justin Trudeau, the prime minister who said that he worshipped and admired the Chinese government for their efficiency to be able to turn the economy on the dime, is now officially training Chinese soldiers in Canada right now.
01:58:45.000Well, that actually began in 2013 under the Conservative Party.
01:59:40.000Like, should that really be like, wow, I can't believe they're actually doing something about it?
01:59:44.000I mean, we stormed beaches, you know, before.
01:59:47.000The president of the United States can meet with Kim Jong-un, the insane dictator of North Korea, but he can't meet with the president of Taiwan.
02:00:22.000That's why I think they've sort of tried backing away from the like button because there used to be these videos where people would be like, let's get 50 billion likes!
02:00:33.000The more likes it gets, the more they'll share it in the immediate.
02:00:36.000Which is important because of all the things that YouTube has openly said they're going to do that kind of hurt channels like your channel, like our channel.
02:00:43.000So we got a great super chat here from Rudy C. Winslow.
02:01:11.000So, uh, Eric Cecil says, my response to Andrew Yang's vaccination verification plan is that maybe we should start with requiring a driver's license when voting.
02:01:22.000Eddie Johnson says, I'm so excited that you have China Uncensored, but where's Matt?
02:02:03.000Jimmy Dorr, he's got, he had a great rant about, uh, the transfer of wealth that's going on with COVID and stuff.
02:02:09.000And he's a lefty guy, so he's very much for Medicare for all, but he's basically, he's pointing out the very important things that I think doesn't matter if you're left or right.
02:02:17.000They're extracting wealth, sending it up to the elites, et cetera.
02:02:21.000And I worked with Jason Burmiss before.
02:03:58.000But China has a thing called the String of Pearls, which is basically them making a Not naval bases around the Indian Ocean, just potential deep water ports.
02:04:17.000Daniel Maxwell says, in the third world countries, China is doing exactly what the U.S.
02:04:22.000was doing during the Cold War with the Soviet Union.
02:04:25.000The major difference is they are also trying to buy influence in the United States and they are succeeding at it.
02:04:31.000Zachary Pasquale says, Chris, what do you think is the biggest, most long-term repercussion for our country under a Biden administration in terms of our unofficial cold war with China?
02:04:41.000Well, a lot of people are encouraging Biden to do a reset, a China reset.
02:04:45.000If that happens, that's bad for, as Tim said, liberal democracy around the world.
02:04:50.000I don't know if you want to add anything to that, shall I?
02:04:52.000Well, basically, yeah, like not standing up to China, um, kind of letting them walk all over the US.
02:05:02.000Like they, if they, if we don't do something about it, not just economically, but geopolitically, like if we kind of go back to like engagement and we'll, we don't want to, we don't want to make them mad.
02:05:15.000You can't, you can't engage with a country with concentration camps and forced organ harvesting and where having a brother or sister was illegal.
02:06:09.000We have two skate parks, we are going to be doing a vlog, and we are going to be... I guess legitimately a private location, but we're gonna allow certain people to come hang out periodically.
02:06:47.000With all due respect and appreciation to the Crowder team for trying to get me this SIG M400, which would have been awesome, it got sent to a location too far for me to actually go get it.
02:07:00.000And I was in New Jersey, and considering the laws of New Jersey, it would have been... I would just call it impossible.
02:07:06.000It would have required me to have cancelled a portion of my day to drive an hour and a half there and an hour and a half back, and then I would have to wait five days, then drive an hour and a half there and an hour and a half back.
02:07:19.000And that was just completely impractical, so I never ended up getting it, unfortunately.
02:08:07.000Yeah, basically after Canada arrested the CFO of Huawei because of violations on US sanctions on Iran, China in turn kidnapped two Canadian citizens.
02:08:19.000But they've essentially been held without any real charges.
02:08:22.000I think they've been charged now with spying.
02:08:26.000They've been held for two years now and basically made it very clear to the Canadian government that if they release the CFO of Huawei, then these two Michaels get released.
02:08:34.000Trudeau recently said he's hopeful the situation will be resolved.
02:08:38.000Hayden says, it passed by a while back with little attention because of the news cycle speed, but Cocaine Mitch's wife, Elaine, is from a family that runs a shipping company where the ships are built in China with funding from the CCP and ship goods to China.
02:08:52.000Elaine, Secretary of Transportation under Trump.
02:08:54.000I was talking about that and sharing the article right before, uh, the show began.
02:08:58.000And even a couple of days ago when Mitch McConnell came up specifically blocking, uh, Trump and of course the election telling the senators not to challenge it.
02:09:06.000We were in DC a couple years ago at a think tank event and somebody brought up Elaine Chao and her and everybody kind of laughed because everybody knew that her family had these close ties to the Chinese Communist Party, but also knew that Washington wasn't going to do anything about it.
02:09:24.000Rita Ho says TSMC is a Taiwanese company and recorded number 1, 53.9%, in global semiconductor foundry market, while Samsung occupied only 17.4%.
02:09:36.000How would this affect the 3C products worldwide when weak Biden let China take over Taiwan?
02:09:43.000Everything's gonna become more expensive.
02:09:45.000Taiwan right now is really trying to market itself as a place where high-quality, high-tech can be made.
02:09:56.000They're hoping as people realize that you can't trust stuff from China.
02:10:00.000I mean, TSMC had a problem last year where there were Chinese spies found in the company who were stealing the intellectual property and bringing it to China.
02:10:08.000But the thing is that Taiwan and the U.S.
02:10:13.000are both better at semiconductor chips than China, so if we can stop China from getting the technology, it'll slow them down a lot.
02:10:23.000Chris Knoll says, on the subject of peaceful divorce, how would this affect global politics, and more specifically, dealing with China?
02:10:30.000I think a split would only help China's ability to assert its will on the world.
02:10:42.000There would be no United States on the political stage at all.
02:10:45.000Treaties probably wouldn't exist anymore, and there'd have to be all new negotiations with everyone, and who would even control military bases?
02:10:58.000You know, obviously the EU and the Brexit was, that's a big topic, but I think to an extent that was advantageous to the Chinese Communist Party that the weaker the EU gets, the less that is a power that can stand up to the Chinese Communist Party.
02:11:12.000And they are infiltrating the EU in other ways, particularly through Greece, Eastern nations, but yeah.
02:11:38.000Now, the vaccine doesn't actually prevent you from getting the virus, we're not sure.
02:11:43.000I believe it was Dr. Vin Gupta said this on MSNBC.
02:11:46.000You still can spread it to others, we think, and you can't travel, you still gotta wear a mask, and no, we're not gonna be releasing the lockdown.
02:11:53.000And if there are any adverse effects, there's no... Pfizer has... There's no liability to the big pharma companies or government compensation.
02:12:23.000And maybe having a nurse that is prone to, quote, fainting, as the official story is now, maybe not have her the representative to get the first jab?
02:12:35.000I was wondering about this, because there's a bunch of stories popping up about, you know, that drive fear, and some of them are kind of isolated incidents, like we had an anaphylactic response to a medical worker in Alaska, one person, and I'm kind of like, is that something that needs to be reported?
02:12:50.000Or is the media trying to just kind of like scare us all the time?
02:13:06.000So now it's, they, they chose the woman who has a fainting disorder and they give her the vaccine and then she faints and the video goes viral.
02:13:14.000Or they give an empty syringe to a guy.
02:15:33.000It would be better if we had a media that told you things that actually were important across the board.
02:15:38.000But if people are going to specific sources, like you watch my content and we talk about very specific things in politics, typically rag on the Democrats, and you need a healthy diet, you gotta mix it up with something else.
02:15:50.000We don't really have, you turn the news and they'll give you five minutes of each major segment anymore.
02:15:56.000But then maybe people only hear the news about one thing, and maybe it's better to be more well-versed on single issues than to be only knowing a little bit about a bunch of things, perhaps?
02:17:38.000Brewmaster Monk says, a hot war would be a useful way for China to deal with its gender imbalance, especially if they think their liberalization is inevitable anyways.
02:17:47.000The one way they actually are dealing with the gender imbalance is the Belt and Road Initiative because they can export all of these young men who are not, like, can't find jobs or, you know, wives and, like, you know, send them to Africa or South America and they can go build the roads there.
02:18:03.000Ted says, Chris, I've been following your show for years and I've been asking Tim in the chats for weeks to have you on and I'm so glad it happened.
02:18:09.000Chris, Shelly, Tim, Lids, I love you guys and I've been sharing your content a lot.
02:19:44.000Uh, and so that's when everybody was like, Zoom is like, it's kind of sketchy because it has, you know, all the stuff in China and the servers in China.
02:20:30.000Bill says, yes, an international investigation found based on Spanish sewer samples that COVID-19 was present at least six months before the fake outbreak.
02:20:38.000God forbid we use science facts and reason.
02:20:41.000Well, I don't know about all of that, but thanks for the super chat.
02:20:43.000Well, there was some data and suggestions that this sickness was around far earlier than originally thought.
02:20:49.000So the origin, we still don't know where it came from.
02:20:52.000We still don't have a patient zero, but magically in six months we have a rushed experimental vaccine that's going to fix everything.
02:21:07.000Let's see, uh, CrazyManJack says, The sickest thing I have ever seen was a video of a man boiling a dog alive, prodding it with a stick to keep it in the wok.
02:21:14.000Supposedly they believe the more pain they cause the animal, the better it tastes.
02:21:18.000Please ask your guests why this is a thing.
02:22:22.000Sebastian Serva says, any opinion on Ripple, XRP, or cryptocurrency in general, and ISO 20022?
02:22:28.000Do you think this fits into the agenda of adapting digital currency, global capital, and maybe even the Great Reset and the Fourth Industrial Revolution?
02:22:38.000I think Bitcoin's going to be worth an insane amount of money in a certain amount of time.
02:23:16.000So, so long as there's a finite amount of the coins, but the utility remains and people are holding it, the more people who want to buy it that exist, but the shrinking supply means the price can only go up in the long run.
02:23:28.000Unless, of course, people ultimately just abandon it because they don't want it.
02:23:31.000I really don't think that would be the case because...
02:23:34.000There's a real utility in it, in transferring wealth and value very quickly.
02:23:39.000So I ultimately think a Bitcoin will be worth more than a million.
02:23:42.000I mean, if Bitcoin remains the dominant most coin that people have confidence in, cryptocurrency, then at a certain point the currency will become more and more scarce, but more and more valuable.
02:23:54.000More people want it, less of it exists, the trajectory is just straight up.
02:23:59.000If you want to use it for some utility purpose, like if I want to transfer a hundred bucks to Luke, I don't care about the value of the currency.
02:24:07.000I'll buy a hundred dollars worth of Bitcoin, send it to Luke, and he'll sell it.
02:25:28.000But if you think about how contact tracing works, you go to a restaurant and they're saying they're going to scan your barcode or whatever.
02:25:34.000Imagine if it was all just on the blockchain.
02:25:38.000I actually think that'd probably be bad for them.
02:25:39.000That's probably why they didn't do it.
02:25:41.000They want the proprietary information, tracking all your information, knowing everything about you, and not letting anyone see it.
02:25:46.000So they don't want it publicly on the blockchain.
02:25:49.000All right, let's see what we got here.
02:25:51.000Bandrew Scott says, Chris and Shelley, short of sharing China Uncensored with everyone we know, what can we do to help fight the human rights abuses in China?
02:25:59.000Limit purchases of products made in China or something else?
02:26:22.000But yeah, it's pretty important because you have like 30 years of this engagement school coming through now, right?
02:26:27.000Where people are still, they're going to like Georgetown or you're going to like these places where all they teach is that they don't teach about China's, you know, political warfare or their unrestricted warfare.
02:26:38.000Oh, no, they teach that America is bad and racist.
02:27:30.000Do you guys know anything about World of Warcraft?
02:27:32.000So, uh, you're playing World of Warcraft, this is back in the day, way back in the day.
02:27:35.000Because things are different now, you can just buy gold for your character through a system they've created.
02:27:40.000Back in the day, you know, when I was playing World of Warcraft in like 06, you would, you'd go around, it's called grinding, you're killing monsters, and then you'd get their stuff and you'd sell it to the vendors and you'd get copper and silver and gold.
02:27:51.000But some players were rich, and they didn't want to have to actually play the game to play the game.
02:27:56.000They wanted the good stuff now, and they needed money to get it.
02:27:58.000So, in China, people would play the game and just go around just grinding and killing monsters, and it was extremely tedious work.
02:28:07.000And then you could go on these websites, pay money, and then they would mail you in-game the currency.
02:29:50.000It's like, what is... This was back in the day, they had this thing called the Bitcoin Faucet, where it would give out, I think, 0.05 Bitcoin for free, every like 10 minutes.
02:29:59.000And you could just like, put in your address or whatever, and then you just get it.
02:30:03.000And so I was like, huh, now I have like, you know, 3 cents worth of Bitcoin I can't do anything with.
02:32:27.000And of course you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, parlor at Timcast and check out my other YouTube channels, youtube.com slash Timcast.
02:32:58.000And, of course, you can follow at Luke Rutkowski, who's wearing a very spicy t-shirt.
02:33:02.000Well, I'm under Luke WeAreChange on Venmo, Instagram, Cash App, Twitter.
02:33:07.000Thank you, you guys are being too nice to me.
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