On this week's episode of The Unraveling, we discuss the latest in the Roe v. Wade saga, including more leaks from the Supreme Court, a new theory that a conservative justice leaked the initial draft of the case, and the idea of a "sex strike" by liberal women.
00:00:07.000So we got more leaks coming out of the Supreme Court.
00:00:09.000They're not nearly as egregious as the first leak.
00:00:12.000The first leak we saw was, for the first time in history, an initial draft had been released to the public, but this draft on the repealing of or the overturning of Roe v. Wade was from February.
00:00:23.000So a lot of people were thinking, look, maybe it will have changed by now.
00:00:27.000It's certainly going to be a different argument because the justices have weighed in.
00:00:31.000We now have several conservative clerks Telling the Washington Post that the justices who have voted to overturn Roe v. Roe and Casey have not changed their minds.
00:00:42.000Clarence Thomas says they won't be bullied.
00:00:45.000And of course, this is resulting in continued outrage and people on the left losing their minds.
00:00:51.000I gotta be honest, it's very strange to me because all this does is return the issue to the states.
00:00:59.000Several states will ban abortion, but these are overwhelmingly Republican states anyway, and the urban liberal women who are freaking out don't live in these places.
00:01:07.000I just... I understand some of them may, and they may be concerned about it, but I just think we're not getting a real argument, for the most part, from the people screaming, no more dating and they're on a sex strike, when that's literally what conservatives would prefer in the whole issue, so... Anyway, the conflict is rising.
00:01:24.000We have a new theory out of NPR that it was actually a conservative justice that leaked the initial draft in order to force the conservative justices to retain that position.
00:01:34.000Otherwise, it would appear that they were swayed by the public.
00:02:37.000Sometimes I'll pick one and it'll be a single episode, like my most recent episode was about Nietzsche and Dostoevsky and how their ideas and biographies kind of have interplay.
00:02:45.000But sometimes I'll do seven episodes on the Jonestown cult or six episodes on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
00:02:51.000Yeah, before the show, you were talking a little bit about Jonestown, so we probably have a lot to talk about, because I usually refer to a lot of these people as cultists, you know?
00:02:59.000So, we'll talk about that, and thanks for hanging out, man.
00:03:23.000And also, it's really offensive to women to assume that all of their political capital is just having sex.
00:03:29.000To imply that you view that to be a woman's role in society and what they're good for and the way that they should affect political change is really objectifying.
00:03:45.000I'm just double-checking, but Lysistrata is the Greek play that was about the women refusing sex to the men so that they would, I think, not go to war or something like that.
00:04:30.000And I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons.
00:04:31.000I just wanted to weigh in on this conversation about a possible sex strike, and I think that these ladies are using this as an excuse to pretend that they're getting laid.
00:04:38.000I don't believe any of them are actually getting any.
00:04:42.000Well, as an aside, there's a meme from conservatives where it's like, the woman going on a sex strike, and it's a bunch of, like, frumpy, purple-haired women.
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00:08:47.000Let's jump into this first story we have from Mediaite.
00:08:50.000Washington Post obtains new leaks from Supreme Court revealing conservative justices are holding the line.
00:08:56.000Not just that, Chief Justice John Roberts appears to have lost control and Clarence Thomas may now actually be in more control.
00:09:10.000Mediaite says oddly, the article itself appears to include another leak, which is clearly reported to have come from conservatives close to the court, who of course spoke on the condition of anonymity.
00:09:20.000The sources are said to have told reporters about private conversations between Roberts and his fellow jurists as far back as early December.
00:09:26.000They say, The leaked draft opinion is dated in February and is almost surely obsolete now, as justices have had time to offer dissents and revisions.
00:09:34.000But as of last week, the majority of five justices to strike Roe remains intact, according to three conservatives close to the court who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.
00:09:46.000So we don't know who these people are.
00:09:48.000Clearly someone who knows what's going on in the court, presumably a clerk.
00:09:52.000They say a person close to the most conservative members of the court said Roberts told his fellow jurists in private conference in early December he planned to uphold the state law and write an opinion that left Rowan Casey in place for now.
00:10:05.000But the other conservatives were more interested in an opinion that overturned the precedents, the person said.
00:10:10.000A spokesman for the court declined to comment and messages extended to justices were unreturned.
00:10:16.000Also, according to the Washington Post, Nope.
00:10:19.000that Clarence Thomas was the one who instructed Alito to draft the majority opinion. And Alito has
00:10:25.000always been in favor of restrictions on abortion and opposing Roe v. Wade. So it looks like Roberts
00:10:33.000was trying to get the conservatives to side with upholding Roe v. Wade. And they basically said,
00:10:38.000nope, nope, absolutely not. So thank goodness. Well, so is this is this bad?
00:10:43.000Let me show you the big point of the story.
00:10:46.000The Hill, regurgitating an NPR story, says the leading theory on SCOTUS League is a conservative clerk.
00:10:52.000And the argument is, with Justice John Roberts trying to get these other conservative justices to uphold Roe v. Wade, a conservative clerk released the draft opinion to force them to stick to it, because if they change their opinion now, it'll look like they were swayed by public opinion.
00:11:30.000It seems like part of a larger trend toward just undermining all of our institutions, right?
00:11:36.000And all of the customs and ways of doing things that have kind of been the glue and sinews that have held things together over all this time, right?
00:11:43.000The United States is a country... We got all types of people here, you know, from every continent on the planet, every religion, every race, everything.
00:11:53.000People who believe that all different types of ways of life are, you know, the most appropriate way to live.
00:11:59.000And you hold that together by a thread.
00:12:04.000And that thread is those traditions and customs and those institutions that we use
00:12:08.000to moderate our conversations with one another.
00:12:11.000And if we lose those things, we're gonna lose everything.
00:12:14.000I saw this leftist meme post where they said, Republicans are trying to burn the country down
00:12:22.000And I thought to myself, that is absolutely accurate, 100%.
00:12:27.000The institutions that have been taken over by the left, the conservatives are absolutely intent on taking down, like public education, the Department of Education, colleges.
00:12:36.000So if you think about it in terms of what we value as constitutionalists, when I hear that, the constitutionalist part of me says, that's ridiculous.
00:12:47.000The left has been gutting and destroying everything.
00:12:49.000They're the ones stripping the Bill of Rights and blah, blah, blah.
00:12:51.000But I don't want to just be overtly biased.
00:12:54.000I was like, well, what institutions are they talking about?
00:13:47.000To the left, the Supreme Court is the institution, the court itself, the building itself.
00:13:52.000Well, I think the left knows that they're going to be able to intimidate people into doing their bidding by going after the actual physical location.
00:13:58.000So you look at the fact that they are genuinely trying to intimidate Supreme Court justices.
00:14:02.000And I think that when you look at the behavior of the right, there is no comparison between the right and the left in terms of how much rioting has occurred.
00:14:13.000As soon as this information got leaked, we knew they were going to be threatening violence immediately.
00:14:20.000I feel like the locations are points of vulnerability within the institutions.
00:14:27.000We put so much faith and trust in these people at these institutions, like the president of Harvard or the Supreme Court justices, that if they get tweaked or bribed or something, The entire, or if they leak something, the entire system falters.
00:14:40.000In social media administration, we have a thing called trustless systems, where you don't have to trust that someone has your back or that someone's going to make the right choice.
00:14:52.000And I think maybe that our government needs trustless systems as well.
00:14:55.000I think, just going back to my point, how the establishment left and many on the left view the existing structure as an institution, like the Washington Post is the institution of journalism, whereas the right wants to restore the actual institution of journalism.
00:15:12.000And I think those are different worldviews where if you can understand how many on the left or liberals or Democrats think, you'll better understand what their arguments are.
00:15:22.000That was kind of my point when they said, the right's trying to destroy our institutions.
00:15:25.000It's like, well, think, what must they mean?
00:15:40.000For me, it came from going online and reading free information from various, you know, professors or news outlets and not formal education.
00:15:49.000Yeah, I don't think they're trying to destroy the education system, but maybe the public schooling system that Dewey set up in like the early 1900s where they're creating these like factory workers and basically soldiers are getting people ready to raise their hand and only speak when they're spoken to.
00:16:04.000I think a lot of people are done with that.
00:16:14.000There's a basic difference between the way conservatives and progressives approach politics in general, the way like the down to the level of what they think the purpose and point of politics is right to a progressive.
00:16:28.000Just that the purpose of politics is to get us somewhere that there are certain things that either need to be fixed or improved or achieved, whatever it is.
00:16:37.000And the purpose of politics is our means of coming together to achieve or fix or these things.
00:16:44.000And conservatives don't see it that way.
00:16:45.000Conservatives have a much more tragic view of history.
00:16:48.000They look around and say, we're not going to some final destination in America.
00:16:54.000The goal of politics is much more like relations between family members to conservatives.
00:17:02.000The point of this is to make sure that we're all still friends tomorrow.
00:17:05.000That's the only point to politics, is to make sure that we are all still friends tomorrow and that we can come together to deal with things as they arise.
00:17:13.000And you're going to get very different approaches to institutions when that's the case, right?
00:17:17.000Progressives can look at it and say, the point here is to get to that place where this social justice aim is achieved, or whatever it is.
00:17:24.000And if an institution seems to be slowing that down, Scorched earth.
00:17:29.000I mean, that institution is in the way.
00:17:31.000Whereas a conservative says, no, no, no.
00:17:33.000Maintaining that institution's credibility so that we're not all killing each other tomorrow instead of working through our institutions.
00:17:42.000I was like, there's got to be rules that we all agree to play by.
00:17:45.000But that doesn't apply to the progressive worldview.
00:17:48.000The progressive worldview has been, and I'll just throw it to the late David Graeber, where I started to think about these ideas, when he said that elements of the left have embraced the fascistic tenet, there is no truth but power.
00:18:00.000And you take a look at what many on the right would call a double standard, and James Lindsay, I think it's James Lindsay, he said there is no double standard.
00:18:07.000If it's good for the revolution, it's good.
00:18:08.000If it's bad for the revolution, it's bad.
00:18:10.000That's how you end up seeing contradictory concepts like you must be vaccinated regardless of your own body and abortion my body my choice.
00:18:19.000They then act like conservatives are the hypocrites when in reality they just don't know what conservatives are arguing.
00:18:23.000Whereas conservatives are outright saying it's not your body it's the other body.
00:18:27.000Address the argument from that point if you want to have a conversation but they're not.
00:18:30.000So you know ultimately I think For me, I wonder, what are the rules to the system we're in so that I can make sure we don't come at each other and go nuts, right?
00:18:40.000And it doesn't seem like it matters because the rules for, as you pointed out, for the progressives is to accomplish their social justice goals.
00:18:47.000Social justice goals where everyone else is kind of, for the most part, conservatives.
00:18:51.000But I think, you know, whatever the two factions really end up being, libertarian or otherwise, is how do we live together and survive this catastrophe, I guess.
00:19:00.000Yeah, I definitely think there's truth in what you're saying.
00:19:02.000The left has a much more Hegelian approach to their view of history.
00:19:05.000They see it as this process and this structure that is building towards its ultimate end.
00:19:11.000And even that, I think from a metaphysical Christian worldview, there's truth in.
00:19:16.000But I think conservatives, as you have said, do have this more tragic view of history.
00:19:20.000It's more or less We are teetering on the brink.
00:19:22.000It's not as if we are just guaranteed that tomorrow is going to be better than today.
00:19:27.000This could all fall off if we try to change the system in the wrong way.
00:19:32.000I want to pull up this story here we have from WUSA9.
00:19:37.000Group to hold vigil outside Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito's home in response to potential Roe v. Wade overturn.
00:19:47.000The group plans to host a vigil near Alito's home starting at 7.30 p.m., blah, blah, blah.
00:20:19.000Because without those processes, you can't have free speech.
00:20:23.000So, in this instance, people should not be going to the homes of these justices, but anyone wanna take a bet as to when or if any of these people will get charged with any kind of crime?
00:20:36.000Well, let me tell you, if any of them do get charged, we're gonna see politicians tweeting out the link to the GoFundMe to get them bailed out.
00:21:00.000Well, we already know that Jen Psaki has no negative words to say about these protesters.
00:21:05.000She's like, well, people sometimes feel very passionate.
00:21:08.000Like, oh yeah, they felt passionate on January 6th, and you have a very different view of that.
00:21:12.000Well, I mean, there's a- January 6th is different from showing up at someone's house, but showing up at someone's house is overt terror against- Worse in some ways.
00:21:23.000She came out and she was, like, she tweeted, it's probably not even her, it's like some intern tweeting, like, sent out a message and she was just like, violence can never be tolerated and people should feel safe.
00:21:32.000It's like, I missed the part, Jen, where you included, don't go to the homes of these justices, which they're doing.
00:21:39.000So I think, I was talking about this earlier, A lot of people say it's worse now than it's ever been, but then people like to point out the assassination attempts of the past and the weather underground, you know, the weathermen and the bombings and stuff and the death.
00:21:55.000I think back then we had acute spikes of political extremism.
00:22:01.000And today we have a low consistent rumbling of extremism, which is worse.
00:22:33.000I've been saying for how long tensions are escalating, potential civil war or strife or whatever, some kind of hyper-polarization, then geographic polarization.
00:22:42.000And then we get a story about the overturning of Roe v. Wade, when I even said before the story came out, That I think abortion could be a catalyst for another civil war.
00:22:50.000And not just me, Stephen Marsh said it.
00:22:51.000He's the guy who wrote the book, The Next Civil War.
00:22:57.000They're holding firm with the latest leaks.
00:22:59.000People are already starting to protest in front of justices' homes.
00:23:02.000Law students are defying the idea of the sanctity of the court.
00:23:06.000How are we going to pull this together and get past this in any meaningful way?
00:23:11.000It's really hard to reestablish deterrence once it's been lost, right?
00:23:15.000And that deals like in the international arena with military strategy, whether it's law enforcement or just basic norms and ethics.
00:23:22.000Once one side, you know, it's like that it's like that driver that everybody hates who just kind of realizes that I can actually just cut everybody off and I can just cut across traffic and make turns as long as I don't get caught by a car.
00:23:33.000I might be inconveniencing everybody else, but I'm going to get to where I want to go quicker than anybody else.
00:23:38.000And he realizes maybe on some level that if everybody started doing that then nobody's getting anywhere that they're trying to go.
00:23:45.000But he knows that the good faith of those other people means that they're not going to do it.
00:23:49.000So he can get away with it and he gets there.
00:23:51.000And once you have kind of allowed that to metastasize and become normal for certain people or even, you know, it can spread.
00:23:58.000I mean the real frightening thing that people have been talking about for a long time is that what happens when the right starts acting this way?
00:24:05.000Now, they have a, you know, there are reasons that they wouldn't.
00:24:16.000But if they just decided to ignore that stuff and they started responding to things violently and they started showing up to judges' homes they didn't like, at that point, You've lost control, and the only way to regain control is to probably use a pretty extraordinary amount of force, because you have a bunch of people who don't think that you're going to do it.
00:24:40.000If the federal government or law enforcement cracks down on the left and the right, it would just exacerbate the hyperpolarization. So you have January 6. It's
00:24:53.000bad. I mean, people should not have rioted. The people who mindlessly trespassed when the
00:24:56.000cops opened the door for them shouldn't have, in my opinion, been charged because these are the Maga
00:25:01.000Mimas. Already one guy got his charges dropped because the judge was like, the cops let you in.
00:25:20.000You had the insurrection on January 20th, 2017, where hundreds of people were running through the streets, smashing things, starting fires, torched a limousine.
00:25:29.000These people not only had their charges dropped, the city was forced to pay out to them in a lawsuit.
00:25:36.000Now, you can chalk a lot of this to the fact that the left has organizational power and collectivist power they've been dealing with for a long time.
00:25:44.000But when you see The FBI agents going to Bubba Wallace's, I think that's his name, right?
00:25:48.000The NASCAR guy over a garage pole rope.
00:25:52.000But then you see these people show up to judges' homes, and there's no law enforcement action, or the people who are throwing firebombs at federal buildings, some of which have been charged, mind you, but many who haven't, it is lopsided.
00:26:04.000The right gets angry and says, we have no justice.
00:26:07.000If the right starts acting out, which they did on January 6th, and then the boot comes down on them, which it did, What you have done is you have struck through the heart confidence in the American system.
00:26:18.000If there is no justice for me, then what's the point of participation?
00:26:23.000Yeah, well, and so you mentioned that there were certain individuals there who basically had the doors open for them by the police.
00:26:30.000I think a large section of the country knows that at this point.
00:26:34.000They also know that there were people who didn't engage in any kind of misconduct of any sort who were put on trial.
00:26:41.000So, for example, we have Marjorie Taylor Greene is a fantastic example who was, I believe they were trying to smear her as an insurrectionist and actually get her charged so that she could not run in her state.
00:26:51.000The idea is to get people who would otherwise protest peacefully or be involved in, you know, trying to bring about civic change to just stay home so long as they have a certain perspective.
00:27:02.000And of course, that perspective is a conservative one.
00:27:05.000I want to bring up this op-ed from over at TimCast.com from Josie, the redhead libertarian.
00:27:10.000She writes, If you're pro-abortion after Viability and ever wondered if you would have been an abolitionist, I have some bad news for you.
00:27:18.000She makes an interesting point about Roe v. Wade and Casey, and that basically Roe actually did entertain the conversation around Viability.
00:27:45.000And according to Roe, the 14th's right to privacy clause is not absolute regarding pregnancy.
00:27:50.000Although the results are divided, most of these courts have agreed that the right of privacy, however based, is broad enough to cover the abortion decision, that the right, nonetheless, is not absolute and is subject to some limitations, and that at some point the state's interests as to protection of health, medical standards, and prenatal life become dominant, we agree with this approach.
00:28:09.000Josie writes, so once again, according to Rowe, we have a clear understanding that a baby is a baby at viability and it's fair for states to regulate proposed termination if they so choose.
00:28:19.000We also have a clear understanding, thanks to Rowe, that a mother's personhood may not be absolute at that point in some states and it's fair for states to regulate proposed termination of a baby if they so choose.
00:28:30.000Roe had limited abortion in the first trimester, but thanks to Planned Parenthood v. Casey, that part of Roe was overturned.
00:28:36.000So states can already do what they want, barring absolute bans of the practice.
00:28:40.000Emotional arguments aside, this is an extreme, unpopular, and highly unlikely outcome, no matter how many legislators co-sponsor the bill.
00:28:47.000In terms of property rights, historically people in some states rejected the idea that they did not have ownership over another human, even when the laws in other states said, yes, this person is a human here.
00:28:58.000When they believed a separate human belonged to them, that this separate human was less than human, and that they could do with that human as they pleased, but by no hyperbole, that was slavery.
00:29:08.000Here's my thoughts on this, we mentioned last week.
00:29:12.000Almost every instance I can think of when there has been an attempt to expand personhood, constitutional rights to a group of people, that has ultimately played out.
00:29:21.000And we've seen that actually with the trans argument.
00:29:23.000States across the country are now entertaining gender identity as a protected class, even at the federal level in many ways they're doing it.
00:29:32.000Why would babies be the one exception to this tendency throughout history?
00:29:37.000In which case it seems That the only likely outcome is going to be abortion becoming banned based on the historical trends.
00:29:44.000I mean, it's it's gender as a protected class is a slippery slope because you can if someone's able to choose their gender at will and then gain a protection of some sort of legally, that's complete insanity.
00:29:58.000I think if we're talking about viability, baby viability, and as viability is getting less and less, it's getting shorter and shorter.
00:30:04.000Like now a five month old baby can be born into a incubator and live there for three months.
00:30:09.000And then as it matures, but if the, I don't know if that's really considered viability because if the plug comes out, then the baby dies and like, Well, it's an interesting question.
00:30:19.000It's if the baby can survive independent of a mother.
00:30:22.000I mean, there are people who their kidneys fail and they need dialysis, but they're still considered viable human beings.
00:30:29.000So the issue is, as technology progresses, viability will extend all the way to day one, I'd imagine, eventually.
00:30:34.000In fact, day zero, we'll probably be able to... We've already grown, I think, sheep in bags.
00:30:39.000So certainly, the same could be done for humans, it's just an ethical question of, you know, we should not do that.
00:30:45.000So I think we're... That's like a step of like, they might start harvesting women's eggs in ovulation because they are viable.
00:31:31.000So when we talk about viability, I'm just concerned about the technological aspect of the viability.
00:31:35.000I get it like if the mom's not around, the baby's gonna die until it's like 11.
00:31:38.000You know, a baby, a child can't take care of itself.
00:31:40.000But if you're talking about a breathing machine, that's a different story.
00:31:43.000But I think this question of viability plays exactly into what I was thinking last week with the inevitability of abortion being banned.
00:31:50.000If technology progresses to the point where a baby is viable the moment of conception through an artificial womb, and there's a question actually in row about at what point viability makes this life-form a person under the Constitution and worthy of protection, If their initial assessment was, well, by the second trimester, you've got a baby with a heartbeat and a brain and all that stuff, so its rights are now in play here, well then, if the baby is viable from day zero, the moment of conception, then why would we ever allow abortion?
00:32:23.000At that point, once technology gets to that point, it seems like... I'll put it this way.
00:32:27.000The question of trans rights only exists because of the invention, the isolation of hormones.
00:32:32.000Before we actually knew what hormones were and how to get them, there were people who identified as trans, but there was no hormone replacement therapy.
00:32:42.000Now that we have that, we have a question constitutionally about how far this can go, and ultimately we're seeing states starting to enact gender identity protections.
00:32:51.000Technology is going to do the same thing for human life in terms of abortion.
00:32:54.000I think the end result is abortion gets banned.
00:32:55.000I've always fantasized about some future scenario where they actually isolate the gay gene, the gene that makes you a homosexual, and then conservatives start aborting all their gay babies, and then you have all the people on the left actually coming out and protesting against abortion and trying to ban it.
00:33:22.000I've been workshopping this theory and you guys are welcome to disagree with me, but one of the reasons that human infants are born and it's so difficult is because their heads are huge And the reason that they're born so early is because, unlike baby giraffes and baby elephants, we don't just get squeezed out on the savannah and start running immediately, because we have huge brains.
00:33:44.000This is part of the reason why you could potentially argue that a three-year-old child is not viable, because if you leave a three-year-old child to its own devices, it will die in relatively short order, it will starve, it's unable to feed itself, or whatever.
00:33:59.000Exactly, no, and start a city called Rome or something.
00:34:04.000I also, viability is a very bizarre way of determining when a person should get rights for a number of reasons, but I think most importantly because one of the entire, like, if not almost the entire reason that we recognize rights politically is to protect the weak from the strong.
00:34:20.000So the more vulnerable a person is, the more necessary it is to extend rights to them.
00:34:26.000So to look at viability and say they're actually particularly vulnerable at this point, so we're not going to extend the right to life to them.
00:34:45.000But we don't want to live in a society where somebody is killed because they're quote unquote holding us back or because they require more resources or because they can't produce as much.
00:35:20.000There are people who have lung damage and they get put on special machines.
00:35:23.000So like for a healthy baby, not for one with a deformity, but like a healthy, fully formed baby, at what stage of its gestation can it start to breathe on its own?
00:35:32.000There are people who are born missing certain vital organs and we find ways for them to survive and live.
00:35:39.000But those are the, I mean, specifically for like healthy term babies that are five months or four months.
00:35:43.000I don't think that's, I don't think you can define viability based on that criteria.
00:35:48.000Well, if you have like a loved one on a machine and they can't breathe, you can pull the plug.
00:35:52.000And if you have a guy with a pacemaker or you have someone with insulin shots, like, come on, that's not an argument.
00:35:59.000There are diabetic people who have insulin pumps Bluetooth, with tubes going into their bellies, and that machine is keeping them alive.
00:36:07.000Well, they can make the choice for themselves.
00:36:09.000It's the people that can't make... What about a baby?
00:37:33.000So in the environment of if they're taken out of the womb at four and a half months, they're not going to be healthy.
00:37:38.000But if you remove them from the womb, yeah, I mean, they're perfectly healthy at that stage of development.
00:37:44.000Yeah, but relative to their environment.
00:37:46.000And that's also part of why you can't remove them.
00:37:48.000I mean, you can't remove someone from an environment where they're perfectly healthy and say, you know what, I'm not going to give you the treatment that you need given the fact that I just stripped you from the environment that's good for you.
00:37:56.000I think the legal argument would then be, oh, you can remove them so long as you replace 100% with what you've taken from them.
00:38:02.000So if we get to the point technologically where a baby can, at whatever stage, be it one week, two weeks, or even one day, be placed in an artificial womb, I think the termination of the baby becomes illegal outright.
00:38:13.000Now, abortion, in some sense, like the removing of the baby from the woman, I think becomes overtly legal at all stages at that point, because then the baby will always survive.
00:38:22.000I truly believe if they do that one day one, you can take it out and put it in a machine that it's going to lead to people harvesting eggs and saying you cannot ovulate.
00:39:41.000Which is why I think the conservative perspective on this is not to seek a maximalist position, trying to ban abortion or drive it back to the first day after fertilization.
00:39:51.000But to recognize the complexity of it, recognize that there are probably irreconcilable views that people are going to have and allow Alabama and New York to have different abortion laws that they work out through the discourse and their democratic processes.
00:40:08.000You know, it's I think it's it's going back to the idea of like conservative, the way conservatives look at politics as something that is that we engage in to make sure that we all wake up tomorrow.
00:40:19.000I think that's, in that sense, the conservative way of approaching it.
00:40:23.000I mean, because we, like, if the way humans gave birth was a woman got fertilized, and then the egg, like, popped out, and then you put it in a plastic bag in the fridge, and then it grew into a human, like, after that.
00:40:34.000That was just how humans, you know, evolved, say, to, then we wouldn't allow abortion at all.
00:40:39.000You would have it there in the bag that came out the first day, and we'd be like, no, you can't flush that thing down the toilet.
00:40:48.000This question only becomes really relevant because you're dealing with a very real rights claim.
00:40:54.000You know, a woman's right to control what goes on with her body.
00:40:57.000That is a... however anybody feels about abortion.
00:41:01.000You have lots of people, I think, libertarian types maybe, who are anti-abortion, but they're very, like, they want to end the drug war because they think that a person wants to put something into their body, then they should be able to.
00:41:14.000It's a real argument that You know, that conservatives, I think, have more recently done a better job of dealing with.
00:41:22.000But it's something that, you know, it does have to be dealt with.
00:41:24.000I mean, you're talking about, you know, just basic basic rights when you're talking about somebody's ability to control what happens with their body.
00:41:33.000I want to jump to this post here from our good friends over at 2xChromosomes on Reddit.
00:41:38.000A top post says, delete your dating apps.
00:41:42.000No more women on dating apps is the only language men speak.
00:41:45.000Plus, the less time you spend on Tinder, the more time you can spend protesting at the courthouse.
00:42:38.000Mr. Buzzy can't get me pregnant, can't lie about not having an STI, doesn't care if I also see Mr. Rabbit or look at a Hitachi at the store.
00:42:47.000Yo, this is... There's, there's... What's the right word?
00:43:46.000He won, like, the Nobel Prize of Child Psychology or whatever.
00:43:49.000And he deals with designing state interventions for children in disadvantaged homes and studies, like, how this affects their antisocial behavior, their violent behavior and stuff as they get older.
00:44:01.000And so he's describing how all these different programs would work, and he's describing this one in the middle.
00:44:07.000He says, so what we'll do is we'll have a social worker that'll come into the house, you know, of a single mother who maybe, you know, doesn't have any experience, doesn't really know, like, how to handle certain things when the kid does this or does that, how they're trying to communicate.
00:44:18.000And the social worker will be there who has this experience, who can kind of tell them, like, oh, this is what the kid is trying to do, and, like, kind of walk them through these processes.
00:44:27.000And Peterson kind of pauses for a minute, and he goes, Well, that sounds like a grandmother.
00:44:32.000And it's like, then I realized everything he had been describing were just bureaucratic replacements for all of the things that have been lost over the last several decades.
00:44:47.000I want to mention there's also an additional component to this.
00:44:49.000You're correct that the left will end up in a roundabout way rediscovering some form of social conservatism or traditionalism.
00:44:55.000And then at that point, the right starts defending whatever it is the left was pushing for 50 years ago.
00:45:00.000And so, historically, before we just had these, like, isolated nuclear families, people did tend to live with their older relatives.
00:45:09.000Their older aunts or uncles or, you know, parents were still living with them, helping them with the children.
00:45:15.000And now we're at a point where people are putting their father or mother in a nursing home when it's unnecessary, just because they don't want to deal with them, and they're calling themselves pro-family conservatives.
00:45:25.000Have you seen now what the far right is pushing?
00:46:00.000Where it's like, Pizza Hut used to be great, and now it's, basically, I'm kidding, by the way, about the far-right stuff.
00:46:06.000the uh oh the weird pizza claymation or whatever it was he was telling a story how how he what he took his kids to pizza hut because he remembered what it was like when he was a kid and it was just trash there was garbage everywhere it was messy he was like what is this And, you know, I'll say he's obviously joking to quite a bit, but there is a bit of truth into what he's saying, that there were things that we had that were nice that are now gone, that have fallen apart.
00:46:32.000And you mentioned it was a bureaucratic replacement.
00:46:36.000Daryl, you're talking about a grandmother and the state's replacement.
00:46:39.000I kind of feel like that's where we're going, where Pizza still exists, but you go inside and it's a dry shell, lacking flavor, lacking anything other than you sit down, here's your pizza, get out.
00:46:53.000The same thing happened after the 1960s.
00:46:55.000You go to like 1973 is when George Lucas, who was part of the New Directors Movement, like these rebellious Dennis Hopper, like all these new director types in the late 60s, Easy Rider, all that.
00:47:05.000George Lucas in 1973 makes American Graffiti, which is sort of, it began the sort of the cult of 1950s nostalgia, right?
00:47:14.000I don't know if you guys have ever seen it.
00:47:15.000It's like as much of a stereotypical kind of 1950s childhood movie as you can imagine.
00:48:29.000It's kind of obfuscated as to who owns what here, but I think they all got merged and corporatized.
00:48:34.000I just gotta point out that I have fond memories of going to pizza when I was a kid.
00:48:38.000When you would get the bucket thing, you'd get the little wheel or whatever with all the things you win and you go in and you get like a little pizza because you read the books or whatever.
00:48:46.000And Jack is obviously making a, you know, he's being silly about it.
00:48:51.000But there are, there are people on the left that are really upset about Jack's statements about pizza that genuinely confuse me.
00:48:59.000It was fun going to pizza when we were kids.
00:49:01.000Everything else is meant to be more silly and a joke, but talking about how, you know, we, the things we did back then, we don't do anymore and it kind of sucks.
00:49:09.000And times won't stay the same forever, but it's just funny how angry they got.
00:49:19.000People have nostalgia for their childhoods all the time, obviously, because your childhood was the time before everything got so complicated.
00:49:24.000But that is also true, like, on a real societal level in this particular age, you know, as well.
00:49:30.000Like, I don't know how old all of you guys are exactly, but I'm, like, right at that age where I was, you know, right in that sweet spot where I lived enough of my life, about 20 years before I ever really got on the internet, I kind of knew about it and I would, you know... How old are you?
00:50:23.000Where someone said, the kids today will never know the joy of rushing to the kitchen to grab snacks during a commercial break and your sibling yelling, it's on.
00:50:38.000But I will say, I do think there's more to it than nostalgia.
00:50:41.000So you mentioned the filmmakers of the 70s, and I've heard it said that part of why Star Wars was so successful, and I'm not really much of a fan, but I've heard it argued part of why it was successful is because in that era in the 60s and 70s so much of what was being produced was depressing but also sort of morally ambiguous they didn't want to have a clear-cut good guy bad guy narrative but Star Wars leaned very heavily into that and now you see a lot of fans arguing online on Twitter that we need to have the Grey Jedi and
00:51:10.000This series needs to be more about moral ambiguity, even though a huge part of what made it successful was the fact that they were willing to draw clear lines between what's good and bad.
00:51:18.000It was kind of a story of Christ, Star Wars, the first one.
00:51:20.000Luke was fighting against the Empire like Jesus did, and he had magic powers like Christ did and stuff like that.
00:52:19.000Well, unless you mate with the very first sexually available person you meet, then you're kind of a eugenicist.
00:52:26.000Well, but I mean, Any selectivity at all is like, you're doing a little personal selectivity.
00:52:31.000But hold on, look at women going to sperm banks and then getting a catalogue of the males to choose from, right?
00:52:39.000So, I understand the argument that a woman will make her choices, but eugenics, I think, is better defined by preventing people from procreating.
00:53:44.000You know, we did away with eugenics in terms of parents choosing who their kids would marry and dowries and all that.
00:53:51.000And then we also decided you should stop people from having kids, which is what Margaret Sanger wanted to do.
00:53:57.000I mean, look, whatever you want to argue about from the left, they want to say she wasn't racially refined, but she did argue literally and fought very hard to stop certain people from having kids.
00:54:06.000Yeah, no, she was absolutely racist and she was eugenicist.
00:54:09.000But I wouldn't argue that arranged marriage is eugenics because they were not selecting the partner for their child necessarily on the basis of something like genetic fitness.
00:54:18.000It could be this is a morally virtuous person and so I want my child to marry them.
00:54:52.000Before we go too far away from this Pizza Hut thing, Yum Food Brands was spun up to purchase KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut, and the top owners of Yum Food Brands are Vanguard, Black Rock at 4%, State Street at 4%, T-Row Price Associates.
00:55:07.000Dude, I just wanna... When people say that meme reject modernity, embrace tradition, the one thing I will say I mentioned before, when you're a tourist in key parts of the world, and you come to the famous downtown area of some city in some faraway country, and it's McDonald's, Starbucks, Gucci, Hard Rock Cafe, you just throw up a little bit.
00:55:30.000The world will have nothing left to offer us?
00:55:33.000There's no adventure, there's no diversity.
00:55:36.000You know, the left talks about diversity all day and night, but I tell you, when I went to the Bahamas and I was like, I guess I'll go to Starbucks, I'm like, that's not fun.
00:55:43.000The weird thing is when you're in another country and they only have like little like coffee shops where they make the coffee and they're burning the bean and it doesn't taste, you're like, oh, this is all, then you see a Starbucks.
00:56:28.000So I wanted to say before we move on for this Pizza Hut thing, I would think that nostalgia would be the one thing that would be truly bipartisan, that everybody of about the same age would really resonate with.
00:56:40.000But you were talking about the sinews that hold people together at a very low level.
00:56:55.000I, I think, uh, I think childhood today is being destroyed on purpose.
00:57:03.000I think we, as millennials, have a kind of shared experience in these cultural phenomena from when we were little, like Book It and Pizza Hut.
00:57:11.000So when Jack Posobiec posts the Red Cups and the Little Pan Pizzas, many of us go, I remember that.
00:57:17.000Even if it was just one time you went because your school gave you those little things, like if you read enough books, the teacher would sign off and then Pizza Hut would give you a little free pizza so you'd get it.
00:57:56.000Fact check me on this one, but there's a meme going around.
00:57:59.000It's like millennials have 3% of U S wealth and boomers have 21%.
00:58:03.000It's the poorest generation in history.
00:58:06.000And, uh, I think it's because boomers are living longer.
00:58:09.000And I think it's because millennials were poorly raised.
00:58:12.000Yeah, I think that's a huge part of it.
00:58:14.000I also think that it's the case that when you look at the way children are raised today, I sort of mentioned that we've redistributed childhood, right?
00:59:04.000I've been thinking a lot about this because we talk about kids getting access to the internet.
00:59:07.000What age should they get access to the internet?
00:59:09.000And what's it going to do to their brain to have all that information blasted at me?
00:59:12.000And then I started thinking, you know what?
00:59:13.000That happened to me when I was 26 years old.
00:59:15.000I got on YouTube and people started hitting me with all this information.
00:59:18.000So I started looking up the Federal Reserve, fiat currency, the Bank of International Settlements, the American war machine, liberal economic order.
00:59:45.000Yeah, and it subverts this process of growing up, right?
00:59:48.000Like, we were talking before the show about this plan I have for my kids, where I'm gonna have, like, a library, and there's gonna be bookshelves full of books so that the kids grow up and they're just used to there being books all around.
00:59:59.000And my plan is, like, the books at the very bottom, those are gonna be kids' books.
01:00:03.000You get up a little higher, a little higher, a little higher, those are gonna be the ones where I can tell my kid, you're not ready for that yet.
01:00:09.000And they're going to be like, Oh, I want that book.
01:00:10.000Now, that's something that happened like with all of childhood back in the day is
01:00:14.000there were things that you were not old enough for yet that you don't get to see
01:00:17.000that you don't get to experience that yet.
01:00:44.000We're making a we're gonna synthesize them and do a reboot that lefties will really pay money for it's gonna be called Harry Handmade Harry Handmade and the Sorcerer's Tale something like that Philosopher's Tale I like this idea that you're gonna have books for your kids and if you I one time my dad was was telling I was in the bathtub I was like six or something or seven and he started to tell me a joke and he was like I I'll tell you when you're older.
01:01:31.000And whenever we wanted to watch Beavis and Butthead, my mom had to be like, only if I'm there.
01:01:35.000And I decide you're allowed to watch it.
01:01:38.000Because some of those episodes of Beeps and Buttons, not for little kids, but some of them are just hilarious.
01:01:42.000Yeah, there's something my dad said to me when I was growing up, which is that, and he was referring to the television, but this is the first time in human history that people let complete strangers into their house to teach their children things without any kind of filter.
01:01:56.000And when you put it that way, it becomes clear just how alarming this situation is.
01:02:05.000Well, my dad is referring, no, he was referring to his own generation and the fact that they sit their kids in front of the television or don't police what they're watching.
01:03:33.000Because they know what's in the book and they're lying.
01:03:36.000Yeah, it's really remarkable, actually, if you go back to the late 60s, how many of the radicals from that era, after they got done being, you know, fake revolutionaries, went into early elementary education or like went into the educational training.
01:03:49.000You have guys like like Daniel Cohn-Bendit out in France.
01:03:55.000He was a big revolutionary 68 guy out there.
01:03:57.000And afterwards, he went and opened a kindergarten.
01:03:59.000And then he wrote a memoir about it a few years after that.
01:04:02.000And he talked about like in the mid 70s, Talking about how you know there's all of this sexual repression
01:04:08.000is what leads to fascism and the authoritarian personality and everything
01:04:11.000And so if he caught like a couple of his kids like fondling each other or something
01:04:15.000He would just sit there and like talk to him while they did it and make sure they were comfortable
01:04:18.000Sometimes they would come up and touch him. Why this guy this guy became like a politician in France. Nobody cared
01:04:24.000They it got brought up sometime in the late 90s. They tried to like use it against him and nobody cared
01:04:30.000So, I've mentioned this on the show before, but there's a disgusting pervert by the name of Alfred Kinsey, and he is known as the father of the sexual revolution, he is the father of sexology, or the modern scientific field of studying human sexuality, and in his published works, he had data tables that were collected by sexually abusing young boys, and this had been done to over 200 minors, boys under the age of 15, including infants, I won't explain what the data tables say on air.
01:05:02.000But so much of this stuff is completely out in the open.
01:05:05.000And the Boomer Generation is comedic in a sense because I remember growing up watching movies that the Boomer Generation made about how heroic the Boomer Generation was.
01:05:14.000And there's this idea that they were these brave revolutionaries because their parents, who had just lived through the Great Depression and then fought in the Second World War, came home and said, you know, like, we have some advice on how the world works and you should listen to us.
01:05:29.000And they said, screw you, mom and dad!
01:05:30.000I'm gonna have one night stands and listen to rock and roll!
01:05:33.000And this is considered this really brave and important revolution.
01:05:35.000It was just a bunch of spoiled children.
01:05:37.000It was just a bunch of spoiled children completely tarnishing and squandering their inheritance.
01:05:42.000I want to bring up this, uh, this tweet here.
01:06:40.000Roe v. Wade is being banned, and the left is going to the homes of Supreme Court justices, and there's a pro-life nonprofit at a Molotov cocktail thrown through its window, reportedly.
01:07:05.000I think it's kind of poorly written because if there was really, because then they go, it led to the, which led to civil war, which then led to war.
01:07:13.000Well, he says ultimately World War III.
01:08:08.000But the political conflict inside the United States could ultimately result in a unipolar world destabilizing, China expanding in various countries, Russia expanding in Eastern Europe, the U.S.
01:08:18.000still trying to maintain unipolar dominance, and then World War III.
01:08:23.000I think it's fascinating they wrote this through it, but I will start with the point where they describe January 6th as a fight for freedom.
01:08:30.000Yeah, I think, and I'm sure you know this, I appreciate your analysis, but obviously they were trying to smear the right, more or less put it on conservatives.
01:08:39.000You think they're trying to be neutral?
01:08:40.000In what way could you, he literally shows January 6th as a fight for freedom.
01:08:45.000How could you in any way say he's trying to smear them?
01:08:48.000Well, I think when you look at the track record of Hollywood and their analysis of current events, they tend to come down on the side of the left.
01:08:54.000And I would also argue that for a television show to explicitly say they were in favor of what happened on January 6th would basically be suicide.
01:09:00.000You would have said it started with disinformation riling up disaffected citizens into believing their country was stolen from them and rioting, which sparked a civil war.
01:09:24.000So, also, it's possible, you know, they write the dialogue and then the editor ends up placing certain images over the dialogue that the writer might not have intended.
01:09:33.000But you know, I kinda, I think I agree with you Ian about the point that it's a little bit lazy.
01:09:39.000So it's not abnormal for a science fiction show about the future to comment on current events or at least contemporary culture, but to do it in a really over the top way like this seems really lazy.
01:09:52.000Instead of creating an allegory for it or having characters in the future present a situation you might be more detached from than the current event, they are literally showing things that happened today and commenting on it.
01:10:03.000I think it's a rip-off of a Star Trek episode where Data asks about terrorism, because they visit a planet where there are terrorists.
01:10:13.000And then he mentions, Data says, I don't understand some elements of their conduct.
01:10:16.000You know, we say it's wrong to do these things, but it's actually been quite successful for many groups.
01:10:21.000And then he mentions Mexico, Ireland, and then he mentions a fictitious 2020, you know, 2022, or 2220-something event, Star Trek World.
01:10:31.000And basically what Data does is he asks a question about terrorism using real historical elements and then a fictitious sci-fi element from the future we haven't encountered yet.
01:10:41.000It seems to be the exact same thing they're doing.
01:11:06.000I mean, I haven't seen the clip, but I don't think you can put a January 6 clip in that context on a show without it being a political decision.
01:11:16.000I mean, I think that's something that's done on purpose.
01:12:01.000We were talking before the show about the late-night TV and how they're, in the key demo, we actually rival some late-night television shows, which is actually really bad for them because they used to get 20 million views.
01:12:15.000And the funny thing is, you mentioned how older people watch those shows.
01:12:19.000They used to watch it every night, but now all of a sudden they're being made fun of.
01:12:23.000Like Jimmy Kimmel, for instance, in like the late night, the people who are who are watching CNN, the people who are watching these shows, the overall majority are like 60 to 70 years old.
01:12:33.000And they're trying to make the politics of these shows fit a millennial leftist or progressive worldview.
01:12:39.000And it's like, well, that's not the boomer generation.
01:12:42.000So your show used to actually attract tens of millions of people in the boomer generation.
01:12:48.000You've decided to sacrifice all of that for millennials who consume digital media.
01:12:53.000They should just be making a new show.
01:12:55.000They should keep that show with older hosts to keep talking to the older crowd that was young in the 80s when David Letterman was in his 30s.
01:13:02.000And then they should have a new show, but they're competing for time slots, which is also archaic because people watch stuff on YouTube at any time of day.
01:13:12.000People, industry, I don't know, I don't want to make a generalization about industry being slow to adopt the hot new thing, but the entertainment industry sure is.
01:13:21.000They were still making me mail headshots in, in like 2008, because sending a digital thing was apparently just, they just didn't under, it was too new, so it wasn't good.
01:13:31.000Are we just, uh, going through the natural progression of old fogeyism?
01:13:34.000Where we're like, It was better when I was a kid!
01:13:36.000Yeah, man, I mean, I'm 27, but I'm already there.
01:13:38.000I didn't hear you say these kids today.
01:13:42.000Remember, uh, the Simpsons thing where Abe is talking to a young Homer, and he's like, It'll happen to you too!
01:13:49.000He's like, I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was.
01:14:35.000I remember when it first started in America, and I bought Pokemon Red on the original Game Boy with money I made at my family's cafe from tips.
01:14:44.000And today, kids are still very much watching Pokemon, and the toys are like the big prize at the arcade were Pokemon stuff.
01:14:51.000I was talking to somebody, I guess a couple months ago now.
01:14:55.000Did you know there are Pokemon cards that get sold for a half a million dollars?
01:15:05.000The funny thing is, like, having owned so many foil first edition Pokemon cards, and then just like having lost them or sold them, now it's like a laughable when I'm like, that's how much they're going for these days?
01:15:26.000So who cares that much about Pokemon other than nostalgic millennials?
01:15:30.000So I guess there's a spattering of wealthy millennials who are like, I would like to buy a Charizard for a million bucks.
01:15:35.000It's gotta just be speculators in the market, right?
01:15:37.000I don't think it's like a Pokemon fan who's like, I've gotta have that card.
01:15:41.000There's some dude who's like, there's like a Gen Z. I mean, uh,
01:15:43.000He mowed a lot of lawns that summer and he needed that Pokemon card.
01:15:46.000No, no, no. Think about it. If you're, if you're Gen Z right now,
01:15:49.000it is a great bet to buy old Pokemon cards because once the boomers age out
01:15:56.000and then millennials inherit a lot of this wealth.
01:15:59.000You're gonna have a bunch of nostalgic, rich, 60-year-old millennials, and you're gonna be in your mid-40s, and you're gonna be like, you want that Charizard?
01:16:06.000And that $100,000 is gonna be $10 million.
01:16:09.000That theme that you just talked about, about millennials not having any money, has come up a couple times, and it seems like that's one of the threads that kind of ties everything together politically and socially right now, right?
01:16:20.000Where if you go back to the late 60s again, middle-aged people were looking at the colleges, looking at the youth movement, and they were like, oh my god.
01:16:29.000when these people take over our society like actually go out and get into authority positions like we're just I guess we're just done this is the end of America the end of the world and of course it turned out not to be that way because those people got out of college and they got jobs and bought houses and had kids and then once you get to that point you kind of care about what your community is going to be like in 10 years you care about what kind of schools your kids are going to and you be that's another way of saying you basically become a conservative in a lot of important like dispositional ways You look at the millennial generation.
01:17:10.000There was that, that was the timing of it.
01:17:12.000The millennials has had like that, that period, that young person period has had so much more room to run because they're in their mid to late thirties and they're not able to get married and have kids and buy houses or create a stable career.
01:17:32.000I just, I just think that's an excuse.
01:17:34.000I think people are just permanent children.
01:17:37.000Well, the economy is in a horrific state.
01:17:39.000When Obama bailed out Freddie May and Freddie Mac, and when we all found out we were on fiat currency and not the gold standard in 2007, everybody got the red pill.
01:17:48.000That was like, oh, and now we're, what are we just, are we in hyperinflation right now?
01:17:52.000I don't know if you'd call it hyperinflation, but we've just almost doubled our money supply.
01:18:25.000The only politics that you've known is people screaming at each other, calling each other Nazis, and so forth, and that's it.
01:18:31.000That's our politics as far as, since you've ever been paying attention to politics, that's what it's been.
01:18:36.000You just get out of college, and like the year or two after you get out of college, the financial crisis hits.
01:18:41.000And things are just a waste for several years.
01:18:43.000You finally start to maybe get back on your feet in your mid-thirties, and you're starting to put something together, COVID hits.
01:18:49.000Like, this is just an incredible amount of instability for any generation to handle.
01:18:53.000You know, the millennials are going to be the first generation in American history that has a lower standard of living than their parents do.
01:18:59.000And you cannot overstate, I think, how significant that is, right?
01:19:03.000Because it's not just like, oh, my parents had a house that was this big and I only get a house this big.
01:19:09.000What people relate it to, like what their basic standard of what a life should look like is how things were when they were growing up.
01:19:16.000And so you have an entire generation of people who in the aggregate grew up a certain way and are starting to realize and understand that they are going to take a step back from where that was.
01:19:28.000And that's, you know, it's not a it's not some like huge mystery why we get Bernie Sanders at a time like this.
01:19:34.000There's this viral video about pod housing where people, these companies will buy like a decently large loft and then stack up like five little cubes and then five on top and you crawl into this little, it's probably five feet wide, no four feet wide Four feet high, and you crawl into your little mat on the floor with your TV and your art, and that's your pod.
01:20:03.000Everyone shares the kitchen and bathrooms.
01:20:05.000And there's videos of these millennials being like, it's just so awesome.
01:20:21.000You're gonna get little hippie houses, buildings, where there's gonna be like 50 millennials all living in it and they're sharing their kids.
01:20:27.000Like, their kids are gonna be just communal kids, I mean.
01:20:29.000I saw a tweet, and I need to verify this one, but I believe it was from the World Economic Forum, and it showed young people about our age living in a tiny house, and it said, if you own a big house, you're racist.
01:20:42.000You need to own nothing and be happy about it.
01:20:45.000And I was telling my dad about this when he came out a little while ago.
01:20:48.000I said, Dad, I feel a great sense of almost resentment, but very much a sense of missing something that we never had, because I know now that the American dream that I grew up with is not something that I will ever see.
01:20:59.000I will never see my white picket fence.
01:21:01.000That's not something that I'm ever going to have.
01:21:03.000Yeah, the American dream was based on imperialism and war.
01:21:38.000I read an op-ed from an economist, I think he worked under Clinton, where he said that if you went to any investor and said, you give me $40,000 in an investment and in four years you will owe me $40,000 plus interest and that's it.
01:22:34.000It is something I really worry about, right, which is maybe
01:22:39.000there are no economic policies that we're going to have or
01:22:41.000anything that are actually going to get things back to
01:22:43.000where they were in the 50s and and 60s, you know?
01:22:46.000Maybe all of that was just a relic of the fact that the entire world got destroyed and deindustrialized in World War II, except for us, and they all needed American labor and American capital.
01:22:57.000You know, we're 5% of the world's population, we got 30% of the world's resources flowing into the Imperial Center, and maybe that was just never sustainable.
01:23:05.000And you just wonder, like, even if, you know, we're 5% of the world's population, if we only got 15% instead of 30% of the world's resources, we're still...
01:23:34.000Well, but that's the difficulty, right?
01:23:36.000Like, I remember when the Yellow Vest protests were going on in France and I read an article by one of the leaders of it.
01:23:41.000And the thing he said was, and this is true in France, it's true in the United States to a large degree, is that the places that you actually have to go to work are becoming increasingly concentrated in like a few urban centers.
01:23:54.000Those places are becoming impossible to actually live because they're so expensive because everybody has to go there.
01:24:00.000It's like you can, I mean, there's probably more, you know, jobs out in the middle of nowhere if you're willing to be an electrician or a plumber or something like that instead of, you know, but, you know, we've spent just God knows how many hours and how many dollars of propaganda to convince people that that makes them a failure in their life if they end up doing that, so.
01:24:19.000You know, one of the biggest challenges as we're trying to build this new studio is, you know, we're trying to find a local expert in folklore mythology, but we just can't find any!
01:24:27.000You know, if only there was someone who can come and read us the ancient words that could help us... I have no idea how to help build our facility.
01:24:35.000If only they can do like a feminist analysis of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
01:24:39.000That would actually be a good bit we should do where it's like, you know, in order to get the new studio built, we had to bring in a feminist interpretive dancer.
01:24:46.000Like you said, Parliament thing, like European Parliament where they're just dancing and it's like, Oh, I think regarding what you said about standard of living, that was interesting that this would be the first generation to have a standard of living less than the generation before.
01:24:58.000And I wonder maybe financially, I agree with you financially for sure.
01:25:18.000If you think that even considering a war right now is any benefit, you've got to understand what countries do with large uneducated and un... What do you call when they don't have a job?
01:25:45.000I think you made a very interesting point about America sort of stepping in after the Second World War and becoming this economic powerhouse, and I hadn't considered that before.
01:25:57.000And I want to give it some thought, but another point I like to make when it comes to the change in the standard of living is the fact that The workforce really became oversaturated because we doubled the labor supply once we decided that rather than a sole breadwinner, rather than the father representing the family unit economically and working, we were going to have both parents work because that was somehow, you know, woman's liberation.
01:26:20.000We ended up in a position where your average worker now had half the negotiating power.
01:26:25.000And so I think that's been seriously detrimental to this country.
01:26:28.000But ultimately, whether you're talking about, you know, a crony capitalist system or a capitalist system, which is not managed virtuously or a communist system.
01:26:38.000In the end, you have a really horrific situation where your average person does not have property and therefore no investment in the system.
01:26:48.000Yeah, this whole BlackRock owning property thing's got to go.
01:26:50.000Let's just let's just start from step one.
01:26:54.000And this isn't a value statement or a moral statement.
01:26:57.000Women largely enter the workforce around starting in the 70s and the late 70s, right?
01:27:02.000That's when we you know, so so I mean, for our parents generation, it was like they were young adults, like all of a sudden women were getting jobs.
01:27:10.000You know, for me, I grew up, it was always the case.
01:27:13.000But once women are in the workforce, You now have both men and women focused on the breadwinning aspect of life and no familial aspect of life.
01:27:57.000And now, having a car is not an option.
01:27:59.000You have to have a car to survive in our society at all, and you're commuting 45 minutes to work every day, stuck in traffic, and you have no choice.
01:28:20.000I never hear the left talk about that.
01:28:22.000They always show these graphs where it's like, I wonder what happened in 1979.
01:28:24.000And then I see this meme where it's like labor unions started losing power.
01:28:29.000And I'm like, it's true, but you double the workforce and your bargaining power gets cut in half overnight.
01:28:37.000And not just that, but you've got, you've got somebody who's, you know, running a business and they say to the guy, so tell me about your family.
01:28:44.000It's like, oh, my wife works here and you know, we're planning this and this and I need X amount of dollars.
01:28:56.000Yeah, I think the expectation is that you're going to be a dual-income household, and so you don't need to be paid a wage that would be sufficient for supporting a family.
01:29:02.000And just to clarify something I said earlier, I said that people who don't have property don't have a stake in the system.
01:29:21.000I mean, I think there's some inve- like, because I don't want to- I think property is very important, but I also, I don't want to say, like, if somebody has no property, then, like, they're not doing things that could be selfless or beneficial to the system.
01:29:33.000Like, you know, I've seen every time I go into an airport, I see like a Fast Company magazine, one of those like new hip business magazines.
01:29:40.000And it always have like some kind of cover article they do.
01:29:43.000It's one of those recurring articles that they do again and again in different, you know, slightly different ways.
01:29:48.000And it says like how For this generation, you know, the young generation, the young people coming up today are going to change careers six times throughout their lives and that the skill of the future isn't going to be like mastering some skill.
01:30:00.000It's going to be mastering the art of learning so that you can go through these changes like smoothly.
01:30:05.000And it's like, well, OK, like if you're some super high IQ person with like a good start, you know, in your early 20s and you kind of like knew what you were doing and you got off on a good start, good for you.
01:30:15.000But what happens when you change careers six times throughout your life?
01:30:20.000That's six times maybe you have to move?
01:30:23.000Six times that your friends get changed.
01:30:25.000Eventually that just becomes... I mean, I went to like 35 different schools between kindergarten and twelfth grade, and by third grade I just learned, like, don't make friends.
01:30:36.000You know, don't get too attached to the place you live.
01:30:38.000Don't get too sentimental about the people you meet there.
01:30:42.000And so I think there is a loss of investment, you know, and then what what they end up doing is as maybe as a replacement, a prosthetic for that, is they displace that sort of social concern that they have onto some, you know, broad social issues on the federal level or something like that.
01:31:17.000But, at the same time, if a communist regime were to be instilled in the United States and they were to tell people, you know, you have to live in a pod now, it would be much more of a struggle than to just erode the economic independence of the American people over time to the point where they say, a pod, that's a really great deal.
01:31:36.000I remember when, uh, that there was this woman on YouTube who was po- she posted, like, two van life videos and gained, like, three million subs overnight.
01:31:44.000Because there was apparently some glitch in the algorithm where she hit all these key points, and so YouTube's algorithm just showed her videos to literally everyone.
01:31:53.000So she makes, like, two videos with three million subs.
01:31:56.000But I- it made me- made me think of a potential conspiracy.
01:31:59.000That YouTube was intentionally promoting van life as a way of making millennials happy, being happy with owning nothing?
01:32:07.000So when this van life trend was going around in like 2018, all these people are on YouTube and they're like, I live in a van, I can go wherever I want, I got no rent, I got a computer and my dog and we're going surfing.
01:32:19.000And then they post these videos where they're playing that song by, I think it's by Avicii.
01:32:47.000Corporations don't have wants, but certain people within the corporations may very well have that in mind.
01:32:52.000I would think that most people involved hadn't thought about that or thought that far ahead.
01:32:56.000It almost seemed like the dream, the American dream, is so prevalent that people had bought it at that point.
01:33:01.000Yeah, well no, I think regardless, even if it's not the case that there's an algorithmic push to direct people towards this kind of content, Our generation I would say generations prior have really been slowly sold this idea that Independence is the most important thing you can possibly have right so commitment and productivity are Significantly less important than being able to do whatever you want whenever you want and it's true that if you are just living out of a comfortable van
01:33:43.000But maintaining a house is really difficult.
01:33:45.000I would say maintaining a van is probably a lot less expensive.
01:33:48.000Um, but if you're, if you're living in a van, I don't know if you're gonna have the kind of job that's going to be, you know, unless you're one of these van life YouTubers.
01:33:56.000Well, again, my whole point is there's a lifestyle, whether it's, there's a lifestyle that's been sold to us, which is that independence is the most important thing.
01:34:06.000It is far more important, as I said, than productivity or commitment, building something in the longterm.
01:34:10.000What matters is you can pick up and leave and do whatever you want, whenever you want.
01:34:14.000And so it's unsurprising that it's such a huge drag.
01:34:18.000If you have not already, give that like button a decent smashing and head over to TimCast.com where we're going to have a members-only show coming up at 11 p.m.
01:35:17.000Joe Burns says, Hey Tim, have you considered making Sesame Street-like kids TV show starring Ian and puppet versions of Chicken City Chickens with a hidden ongoing joke that is high on DMT the whole time?
01:35:44.000And then like, the intro to the show is always a DMT trip, but kids don't get it, so it's just like, you like... The chickens are walking around like normal chickens, but then all of a sudden they start talking to you.
01:36:23.000But I do know a little bit about it from reading the news.
01:36:26.000I know that the mainstream media is basically saying it's all fake news.
01:36:29.000And one of the criticisms that Dinesh D'Souza brought up is they're saying there was GPS data tracking people who are dropping off multiple ballots.
01:36:38.000And the mainstream media is like, GPS data is not precise enough, except there are many stories from the mainstream media about how GPS data is actually quite precise.
01:36:46.000So it's like, it definitely seems like there's a double standard.
01:37:03.000Will S. says, First Super Chat after more than a year of listening.
01:37:06.000Friday with Daryl was an incredible disappointment, but I don't want to give up.
01:37:10.000Please invite him back on for more of what he did with the clan and maybe a debate with Seoul.
01:37:15.000I was thinking about the conversation we had with Daryl Davis and I think what a lot of people realized for the first time The story of Daryl Davis is about a blues musician who befriended members of the Klan and other white supremacists and convinced them, inadvertently as it was, he was the impetus by which they gave up being white supremacists.
01:37:34.000I think for many people who are anti-identitarian, they heard the story and assumed that he convinced them not to be racists.
01:37:42.000But upon hearing the identitarian opinions of Daryl Davis, I think a lot of people all of a sudden felt like, hey, how can this be?
01:37:49.000I thought he was convincing, you know, identitarians not to want race policy, but he was very much heavily advocating for race policy.
01:37:57.000I think the issue is Daryl Davis didn't de-radicalize members of the Klan away from racism.
01:38:03.000He de-radicalized them away from white identitarianism.
01:38:07.000Meaning it was easy for them to replace the racism they already had with another form of it because it was very similar.
01:38:14.000They were like, oh, okay, racial discrimination in this way makes sense, right?
01:38:28.000And so there's a generation gap and there's also the race gap.
01:38:31.000And that's a conversation that's not going to be had in two hours.
01:38:34.000And yeah, we should definitely do it again.
01:38:36.000So yeah, I wondered because we've had conversations and we've seen interviews with Daryl before where these issues haven't come up the way they did on this show.
01:38:44.000So some people were saying that he had been radicalized.
01:38:47.000And perhaps the rise of critical race theory and the things he was quoting are relatively new phenomenon in modern political context.
01:38:54.000And you could argue that they're created in order to radicalize or at least proliferated in order to radicalize.
01:39:12.000Let me make the world better for you and your friends.
01:39:15.000Alright, we made a lot of money tonight from people saying, please see 2000 Mules, the movie.
01:39:21.000So the general idea is that there were, in five key states, several people who they tracked GPS data on that showed them going to Dropboxes multiple times.
01:39:31.000But several... I've seen... So again, I don't want to... I don't want to criticize too much because I haven't seen it yet, but I will check it out.
01:39:43.000A lot of people are like, you can't bring it up, you'll get banned.
01:39:45.000I don't think 2000 Mules... My understanding from what I've already seen in the news and in media commentary is that it raises certain questions and requests an answer, and then asks people to look into the footage and the evidence because there's a large amount of videos that need to be gone through.
01:40:30.000Tim Jake says the NPR story was written by the same person that claimed conflict between Gorsuch and Sotomayor over masks, a story proven false.
01:40:37.000She has history of making claims without supporting facts or evidence.
01:41:23.000The funny thing is like uh you know Ben Shapiro he always like they make fun of him but he like laughs at the memes and stuff.
01:41:29.000I wonder if these people genuinely think that they're angering people on the right with a lot of this stuff because I just I just think it's funny.
01:43:11.000Tell me the goal and I think the answer will become evident.
01:43:13.000Yeah, I guess it depends on the context, right?
01:43:15.000Like, if you think about the parents at those school board meetings, that was pretty effective.
01:43:19.000Obviously, they tried to come down on them, but it's having an effect and things have maybe moved a little bit in their direction.
01:43:24.000I think that the right, you know, has to be very smart and sort of use a kind of political jujitsu anytime they do anything.
01:43:32.000You know, they have to try to take advantage of single points of failure in the enemy's defenses, do things that produce predictable overreactions, So that those are the kinds of things you have to do, because that's a good thing about having a very emotional enemy.
01:43:47.000You know, a very emotional opponent is you can kind of predict what they're going to do for the most part.
01:43:52.000And, you know, I think about, for example, I remember when the Democratic primaries were going on in 2020 and CNN did an LGBT town hall.
01:44:03.000And you had all the Democratic candidates there, and they kept trotting out these, like, six-year-old, seven-year-old kids.
01:44:10.000Be like a seven-year-old boy, done up in full makeup and a dress, and he's a little trans child, right?
01:44:16.000And now, all the Democrats who were there, they have pollsters, they have, you know, political advisors who can tell them that 90% of the United States thinks that a six-year-old trans child is, that that's crazy, right?
01:44:37.000Even though they know that there are political consequences to that because they have no choice.
01:44:41.000And there are a lot of issues like that, that if you can draw them out into public, all you have to do is shine a light on them and they'll melt right before your eyes.
01:44:51.000Alright, Seth Houser says, the baby's body is not the woman's body.
01:46:05.000It was an impossible test in Star Trek.
01:46:08.000It was meant to gauge how you would behave under absolute stress.
01:46:13.000Right, if it drives us to anger and then conflict, we've lost the point.
01:46:20.000Nick says, Ian, he says, Ethan, do you recall the TNG episode where LaForge was stranded with a Romulan who thought he should have been aborted because he was blind?
01:46:29.000Uh, I don't, if that's where they're in the cave, no, I don't think, I saw them all, but I don't off the top of my head remember that.
01:46:34.000Yeah, and they were like slowly dying.
01:46:36.000And they were like starving to death or something?
01:46:38.000No, like something was slowly killing them, was it, or whatever?
01:47:37.000Like, I hate, I don't know what the people of the future are about, but I hate them.
01:47:43.000Well, when the progressives keep saying that the future is going to be progressive, you know, you might get some crazy person who would think something like, I'm going to stop these crazy people.
01:47:51.000But I guess the philosophical argument is, if you can kill, can you kill someone who's not alive today?
01:48:01.000Have you guys seen that South Park episode where all the people in the future, there's no more jobs in the future.
01:48:07.000So they're all immigrating back to the past and they decide, well, we have to stop this, like, you know, just flood of immigration from the future.
01:48:27.000I should clarify, you can kill someone that's not born today, although you might end up in prison for it, and it's not ethically viable to murder someone.
01:49:13.000And then, like, when we catch this guy, he shows us, like, a digital news file, and it's like, Seamus is just, like, ultra-Hitler or whatever.
01:49:40.000It'd be something I'm doing now that's offensive that I'm not sure.
01:49:43.000You gotta watch out because Looper, I don't know if you guys saw Looper, I don't want to spoil but I'm gonna spoil Looper so turn it down if you haven't seen it yet.
01:49:50.000It's just the act of trying to kill the kid that turns him into the villain.
01:49:57.000Gizmos89 says, Tim, you always forget Generation X. No, I don't.
01:50:01.000I don't forget Generation X. Generations basically very much skip, like Millennials were the children of Boomers for the most part.
01:50:08.000There's a gradient overlap, but Gen X, like Boomers were like teenagers or like in their late 20s when, uh, well, I guess the problem is the generations can be long enough to overlap, but many Millennials are the children of Boomers.
01:50:24.000Like, I know a lot of people go by years, which I always thought was... Yeah, it's by years.
01:50:28.000I always think that's kind of a crude way of looking at it.
01:50:30.000Like, when I think about generations, I think about major changes in society and where you were at in your stage of life when they happened, right?
01:50:36.000So, like, when I think of a millennial as opposed to a Gen Xer, like, I'm 40.
01:51:05.000So for millennials, we had rudimentary internet as kids, but it was like 2007 is the singularity moment when the internet became ubiquitous.
01:54:03.000So this is Tim and I both had to go to speech therapy to not talk like this for the entire reason.
01:54:08.000So we're actually reverting to our natural way of speaking there.
01:54:10.000So when you go to Chicago, if you, uh, this is a secret, if you order your pizza with Chicago, we actually in here, hey, let me get the pepperoni with the, uh, extra cheese, yeah?
01:54:20.000Then they give you free cheese sticks.
01:54:22.000Go here's the cheese sticks there, bud.
01:55:04.000It's the weirdest thing, that's the one thing people think they do say they don't say.
01:55:08.000That they don't say, it's funny because most of the people I know, like my dad for example, he almost, he like, under, like he, he does the opposite of a Chicago accent when he says Chicago.
01:55:17.000You hear this from a lot of older guys from the city, they'll go like, Chicago.
01:57:54.000Sam Whiter says, Tim, I've commented on this before that Star Trek has predicted the future and I believe that 2024 will be the deciding year since it's been shown in DS9 and Picard.
01:59:21.000Well, the puzzles were all like relatively simple like find the codes like a clock and it's like there's there's I don't want to give I don't want to spoil it but one of the things is that one of the objects in the room we thought was a code was actually all of the codes and we didn't realize that that would be the one anomalous thing and so we couldn't figure it out we were confused by it and that took us like 10 minutes.
01:59:45.000I did one of those one time and we were looking like on the bottom side of the radio at the serial number and trying to figure out if it meant anything.
01:59:54.000The Daily Wire did an escape room challenge where they mixed and matched people and then they were competing against other Daily Wire teams, but it was teams.
02:00:01.000So you got to see them interact and how they were getting stressed with each other, but having fun too.
02:00:06.000Me and my friend had an idea a long time ago for something called the Hacker Games.
02:00:10.000And the idea is to get a building, secure it in a variety of ways, digital keypad locks, security guards, pin and tumble locks, and then in the top floor in one of the rooms is the MacGuffin.
02:00:22.000And the goal is to get the MacGuffin without being, like, being able to break into this building.
02:00:27.000We would hire security guards but not tell them it was a show.
02:00:30.000So we just hire a security guard and say, you know, don't let anybody in without the proper credentials.
02:00:55.000So then what happens if like you and all your friends each have ice?
02:00:59.000Rags in your back pocket like up There's just a bunch of guys with ice if there was like two or three guys and you're carrying trays and ice You're gonna be and then you walk up at the security guard and go where do we put this stuff?
02:01:12.000I was at a venue once and I had a pass but they weren't allowing me to go backstage and So I walked, I just, the first thing you do is you own the place.
02:01:21.000So I just walked past the security guard and then he went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, and then he put his hand in front of me, he's like, where are you going?
02:01:46.000And then this time we both walked past and he goes, yo, yo, I told you you can't come.
02:01:49.000And then I interrupted him and go, dude, we're working.
02:01:51.000And he sees the camera guy goes, oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry, dude.
02:01:54.000And then we walked backstage and hung up.
02:01:57.000That's the idea for the game, so pick the locks or hack the codes and then try and find your way in.
02:02:01.000I want to do it, it just requires getting to that point where we can set it up, so maybe in the next couple of years we'll get something like that going.
02:02:07.000That would be a bluff skill in Dungeons & Dragons that you passed.
02:02:11.000I gotta tell you, getting past security guards at corporate functions or at buildings is just like... I don't even understand what the point of having a security guard is, for the most part.
02:02:26.000I think it's mostly about insurance and...
02:02:31.000Having a dedicated person for security issues, so something comes up They handle the job, but getting past security guard anywhere is just like I don't know man It's easy like you see it in movies all the time.
02:02:43.000It's like you wait out by the door smoking a cigarette They open the door you go.
02:02:46.000Hey, man, and just walk in it's like Geez all right.
02:02:51.000We'll grab one more oh Hangover Bear says, you talk about the financial crisis of the 2000s as if it was the only generation to go through one.
02:02:59.000Talk to the kids that grew up from the mid-70s and mid-80s.
02:03:02.000Yeah, I mean, what about boomers and the gas shortages and the inflation problem?
02:03:10.000Those things were, I think, a lot more recoverable when they were over, though.
02:03:15.000Like, think about all of the 1960s college students who, and just young people in general, who decided to just take a few years off, go smoke weed out in the countryside and party it up and kind of do their...
02:03:27.000Maybe go out and, like, engage in riots and protests and just be a revolutionary.
02:03:32.000And then a few years go by and, yeah, it's time to, like, get my act together.
02:03:35.000And they go off and they finish college and they go get a job at, like, a big law firm or something, right?
02:03:40.000How many—all the Weathermen ended up—the ones who didn't get arrested for murder—ended up going and working for big law firms or going to universities.
02:03:47.000Whereas it feels like today, you know, you get a—you know, people—these people had felonies on their records and they got done and they went and got jobs at universities.
02:03:56.000It just feels like much more punitive today if you make mistakes or waste time, you know.
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