Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - North Korean Yeonmi Park Joins, Says Woke Is CRAZIER Than NK Is w-China Uncensored

00:00:00.000 I'd be willing to make a bet, a gentleman's bet, that if Kim Jong-un did an interview

00:00:22.000 with, I don't know, Dave Rubin, he would be allowed to say basically anything.

00:00:27.000 He could talk about how he wins all the elections fair and square in North Korea, how everyone loves him, it's all perfect, there's no corruption, gulags don't exist, and there's no suppression of people's rights, none of that.

00:00:38.000 YouTube would have no problem with him saying literally whatever he wanted to say.

00:00:42.000 I mean, obviously, if he made direct threats against a person, take him down.

00:00:44.000 But I bet if he also started talking about how, you know, making claims about war and their missile tests and just lying, YouTube wouldn't care.

00:00:54.000 If Donald Trump comes out and says things, you may have seen Dave Rubin interviewed him.

00:00:59.000 He just has these huge bleeps and he's like, you're gonna have to go off platform to watch because they'll actually just take down the video.

00:01:05.000 It's strange how that works.

00:01:07.000 And joining, we've got a couple different guests today.

00:01:09.000 Of course, we have China Uncensored joining and we've had you guys before.

00:01:13.000 So thanks for coming back.

00:01:14.000 But we have a special guest, North Korean defector, who actually just told me that the woke are crazier than North Korea was. 0.84

00:01:21.000 Yeah.

00:01:21.000 Wow!

00:01:22.000 So Yeonmi Park is here.

00:01:24.000 So we'll learn all about your story and we'll have a general conversation about the region and North Korea.

00:01:28.000 Do you want to just briefly introduce yourself?

00:01:31.000 Yeah, where do I even look at?

00:01:34.000 There's so many people to look at.

00:01:35.000 Name, where you're from, and why you left.

00:01:37.000 So, my name is Yeonmi Park.

00:01:40.000 I was born in North Korea, Northern part.

00:01:43.000 I escaped in 2007 into China.

00:01:47.000 After two years of slavery in China, unfortunately, I had to cross the Gobi Desert to Mongolia by walking.

00:01:55.000 Then in 2009, that's where I flew to South Korea from Mongolia.

00:02:01.000 And I came to America in 2016 earlier to go to Columbia University in New York.

00:02:07.000 Wow.

00:02:07.000 Suffice to say, it's really nice in America.

00:02:10.000 America's great.

00:02:14.000 We have our problems.

00:02:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:16.000 Massive problems.

00:02:17.000 Wow.

00:02:17.000 Well, we definitely I definitely want to hear about this.

00:02:19.000 And, you know, the comparison between what's happening in America and obviously the hardships you've gone through.

00:02:24.000 And of course, we got China Uncensored. 0.53

00:02:26.000 Shelley, whoever wants to introduce themselves.

00:02:28.000 I'm Shelley.

00:02:30.000 I'm the humor ninja for China Uncensored.

00:02:33.000 And I'm Chris.

00:02:34.000 I host China Uncensored and America Uncovered.

00:02:37.000 Right on.

00:02:38.000 So we have we have a lot to talk about, I guess.

00:02:41.000 How about we just talk about North Korea?

00:02:43.000 We'll start with that.

00:02:45.000 What about it?

00:02:47.000 How is it?

00:02:47.000 I remember seeing this video before.

00:02:52.000 Actually, I'm forgetting my place here.

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00:03:16.000 It's Friday.

00:03:17.000 We chill on Friday.

00:03:18.000 We're going to have some conversation.

00:03:19.000 So, let's just get into the conversation.

00:03:20.000 So...

00:03:22.000 I saw this video that went viral that claimed it reportedly it was made in North Korea talking about homelessness in the United States and it was saying like look how bad it is in America with all these people who don't have homes and North Korea isn't like that.

00:03:37.000 So I guess we'll just Starting with this, right?

00:03:42.000 How clearly there's an internal view of North Korea and a view that people there have of the United States.

00:03:48.000 And then from that, your experience, you know, so how about we just, how about I just start over and say, what was it like growing up in North Korea?

00:03:56.000 Why did you want to leave?

00:03:58.000 So, North Korea, when I describe it, it's not like even a different country.

00:04:03.000 It's like a different planet.

00:04:05.000 In this 21st century, they don't have electricity.

00:04:12.000 If you look at the satellite photos, it's the darkest place on Earth, literally.

00:04:16.000 So I say we have Earth Day every day in North Korea. 0.66

00:04:20.000 Very good for the environment.

00:04:22.000 And we don't even know what the internet is.

00:04:25.000 People have no clue, right?

00:04:28.000 And they don't have any other information.

00:04:30.000 So North Korea literally calendar begins when Kim Il-sung was born.

00:04:35.000 Not when Jesus Christ was born.

00:04:37.000 Right.

00:04:37.000 And they don't even tell us that we are Asians.

00:04:40.000 They say you are Kim Il-sung race.

00:04:43.000 Really?

00:04:44.000 Yeah.

00:04:45.000 That's the racism, you know, the highest.

00:04:49.000 So they do not let you know what the outside world would look like.

00:04:53.000 And I didn't even know Africa, different continents.

00:04:56.000 I never seen the map of the world. 1.00

00:04:58.000 All I knew was North Korea, Americans, but they say American bastards. 1.00

00:05:03.000 That's like one word. 1.00

00:05:04.000 Really?

00:05:05.000 Yeah.

00:05:06.000 So how did you know that you had it bad or how did you know that you wanted to leave?

00:05:10.000 I did not know I had it bad because I remember they were showing us these footages of Americans and showing the homeless people, right?

00:05:19.000 And they look at America, there's no birds because everybody ate all the birds.

00:05:24.000 I heard that!

00:05:26.000 We didn't though.

00:05:27.000 Actually, that's not completely untrue.

00:05:30.000 What was it?

00:05:31.000 The passenger pigeon?

00:05:32.000 Do you guys know this?

00:05:33.000 They used to go out with nets and just catch pigeons and then eat them and they drove it to extinction.

00:05:38.000 Interesting.

00:05:39.000 So that actually happened, but we do have a lot of birds and there's pigeons everywhere.

00:05:42.000 Yeah.

00:05:43.000 Like there's pigeons on boats.

00:05:44.000 Exactly.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, so what happened?

00:05:47.000 And they show they cannot eat the snow because they are so hungry.

00:05:50.000 Basically, they are describing what we were having in North Korea. 1.00

00:05:53.000 And then in schools like that, they say, there are four American bastards. 1.00

00:05:58.000 You killed two American bastards. 1.00

00:06:00.000 Then how many American bastards left to care? 1.00

00:06:03.000 Then as a younger, you said two American bastards. 1.00

00:06:05.000 So even though when they teach you math, it has to be propaganda. 1.00

00:06:09.000 Interesting.

00:06:10.000 Everything has to lead to one thing.

00:06:11.000 It's brainwashing us.

00:06:13.000 Wow.

00:06:13.000 So North Korea is like, apparently it's a religion.

00:06:16.000 It's a kingdom, right?

00:06:18.000 Yeah.

00:06:19.000 Kim Il-sung's parents were Christians, so he copied the Bible.

00:06:23.000 Said, I'm a god, I love you so much, so I'm giving you my son Kim Jong-il.

00:06:28.000 His body dies, but no, no, he's like spiritually with us forever.

00:06:32.000 Therefore, he knows what you think, how much hair you in your head.

00:06:36.000 I mean, if the people believe in Bible, I mean, why would you blame people not believing that, right?

00:06:36.000 Wow.

00:06:41.000 Because they cut out every information.

00:06:44.000 So people do not know even what is critical thinking is.

00:06:48.000 So how did it come to be that you decided to leave?

00:06:50.000 Hunger.

00:06:51.000 I was 13 years old.

00:06:54.000 I was, luckily by then I was living in this border town.

00:06:57.000 And at night time, I could see lights coming from China.

00:07:01.000 And I was thinking, maybe if I go where the lights were, I might find something to eat.

00:07:08.000 I did an interview with some New Zealanders who rode motorcycles through North Korea into South Korea.

00:07:16.000 Did you ever hear of them?

00:07:17.000 No.

00:07:18.000 So they organized what these individuals wanted to do was travel motorcycle.

00:07:23.000 They wanted to ride motorcycles along famous routes.

00:07:26.000 So they did like the Silk Road.

00:07:27.000 They did the coast of South America.

00:07:29.000 And then they wanted to do through North Korea into South Korea, but there's no real roads to do it through.

00:07:35.000 So it's very difficult.

00:07:36.000 But they were telling me how No.

00:07:38.000 When they went through there, they were saying like, this is what they explained to me.

00:07:42.000 And so this is hearsay, and I just, well, you know, you can correct me.

00:07:46.000 That if there was like a farm, and a cow died, they couldn't eat the cow.

00:07:50.000 No.

00:07:51.000 That someone would have to come and take the meat and spread it around the country evenly to everybody or

00:07:55.000 No.

00:07:55.000 something like that.

00:07:56.000 What would happen?

00:07:57.000 So North Korea, there are three, it's a cat system. 0.87

00:08:01.000 They began with the communism, right?

00:08:03.000 Let's make everyone equal.

00:08:04.000 But now they got... ended up with 50 different classes within same people.

00:08:09.000 50?

00:08:10.000 Wow.

00:08:10.000 Yeah.

00:08:11.000 They divide three big categories and they divide the subclasses to 50 different classes.

00:08:16.000 And you never can go up.

00:08:18.000 You can only go down.

00:08:19.000 So that's how they prevent people mixing around being married. 0.64

00:08:23.000 There's no like you marry up.

00:08:25.000 If you marry somebody in a different class, you go down with them. 0.99

00:08:27.000 You don't go up with them.

00:08:28.000 Wow.

00:08:29.000 So in that case, one of the executions that my mom saw was this young man.

00:08:35.000 He had TB.

00:08:36.000 TB is a huge problem in North Korea, malnutrition.

00:08:39.000 Tuberculosis?

00:08:39.000 Yeah.

00:08:40.000 So he ate a cow in the farm and then they were executing him.

00:08:45.000 For eating meat.

00:08:46.000 Yeah, so I never ate beef in my life because cows are supposedly working in the farm.

00:08:52.000 So you don't have a private property.

00:08:54.000 Nobody can own anything.

00:08:56.000 We cannot own cows, we cannot own cars, house, nothing we can own, right?

00:09:00.000 It's communism.

00:09:01.000 So you own nothing, and you must be very happy.

00:09:05.000 Yeah, that great reset looks better every day, doesn't it?

00:09:08.000 It completely frees you, yeah.

00:09:10.000 It's liberation.

00:09:12.000 You own nothing, yeah.

00:09:14.000 So, if the cow dies, of course the officials gotta come and take it for them. 0.99

00:09:19.000 And if the normal people eat it, you're gonna be executed.

00:09:22.000 What do they do with the cow? 1.00

00:09:23.000 The official type elites, they divide with themselves.

00:09:26.000 So they take it for like the upper caste?

00:09:29.000 Yeah, upper caste takes it. 0.99

00:09:31.000 And they call even the shocking thing is like this upper caste don't even call normal North Koreans are people. 1.00

00:09:37.000 They call us like trash, rubbish. 0.98

00:09:40.000 That's how within North Korea different castes treating each other. 1.00

00:09:44.000 Wow.

00:09:45.000 Is that because of like uh like historical family things like oh you weren't part of the revolutionary party and that's how you end up in a lower class?

00:09:52.000 So this is like what like made me very sad America is like here all about white guilt like your ancestors owned the slaves but therefore you must be guilty and you are privileged. 0.61

00:10:02.000 In North Korea the same thing because maybe my great great great grandfather was a landowner.

00:10:08.000 Or not fighting for the communist side.

00:10:10.000 Then they say your blood is tainted forever.

00:10:15.000 How do you choose your ancestors?

00:10:16.000 You can never do that.

00:10:16.000 Right?

00:10:17.000 How do you choose your skin color?

00:10:19.000 You cannot do that.

00:10:20.000 And so they punish you by being associated to that.

00:10:23.000 It's called guilt by association.

00:10:25.000 Right.

00:10:25.000 I mean, we're going through this and it's getting worse.

00:10:29.000 So I definitely want to talk about the comparison between wetness and stuff, but we'll get there.

00:10:33.000 So you were 13 and you were hungry.

00:10:36.000 Yeah.

00:10:37.000 And you saw China, and you decided to leave.

00:10:39.000 So how long did it take?

00:10:40.000 What did you do from there?

00:10:42.000 So I was initially going to go with my own sister who was 16 years old.

00:10:47.000 I was 13.

00:10:48.000 And then one day I got really sick.

00:10:50.000 So they took me to the hospital.

00:10:51.000 And in North Korea we don't have like electricity, x-rays, right?

00:10:55.000 Doctor just literally rubs your belly.

00:10:57.000 And then nurses using one needle to inject everyone. 1.00

00:11:02.000 People don't die from cancer in North Korea.

00:11:03.000 We die from hunger and infection mostly.

00:11:06.000 And then they operated on me that day without any anesthesia.

00:11:10.000 And then they said, it's appendix, but it's okay.

00:11:13.000 People cut bones in North Korea without any anesthesia.

00:11:15.000 It's a common thing.

00:11:17.000 So I woke up and they were like, no, you see, you got malnutrition and infection inside you.

00:11:23.000 And they closed me back and then I could not go, right?

00:11:28.000 I might mostly die from infection.

00:11:30.000 So she had to leave.

00:11:32.000 So she escaped first with her friend.

00:11:35.000 And then, Was there retaliation from the government for your family?

00:11:38.000 It was too quick.

00:11:40.000 And another thing is that in North Korea, a lot of people die from starvation.

00:11:44.000 So they say, oh, I'm going to go to work, and then father leaves home, and he doesn't come back, and he died on the road to work.

00:11:52.000 So disappearance is a very common thing for the people.

00:11:56.000 Death is always near.

00:11:57.000 I mean, you see the death bodies on the streets every day. 0.90

00:11:59.000 It's like trash, right?

00:12:01.000 So I never thought that was it. 0.89

00:12:04.000 You know, I'm normal.

00:12:04.000 I thought it was egg.

00:12:06.000 In the morning when you go to train station, there are like so many bodies left died.

00:12:10.000 And then they just collect it like woods, right?

00:12:12.000 They are very... Bodies get very rigid and just put them together. 1.00

00:12:16.000 And then they don't even like bother to bury them.

00:12:19.000 Just like put on like on the one side.

00:12:21.000 And you see like rats eating human flesh.

00:12:24.000 You see these children chasing these rats.

00:12:26.000 They're eating human eyes first. 0.98

00:12:29.000 Then somehow these rats have disease.

00:12:31.000 So children die.

00:12:32.000 Then rats eat us back.

00:12:34.000 This cycle between rats and kids eating each other.

00:12:37.000 Yikes.

00:12:38.000 OK, so after the hospital, you're still 13 at this time.

00:12:42.000 Yeah.

00:12:42.000 And then, you know, what's what happened next?

00:12:44.000 So I found a note that my sister left me and saying, go find this lady. 0.99

00:12:49.000 She's going to help you to go to China.

00:12:51.000 So that was like right after I got out of the hospital.

00:12:54.000 I took my stitch.

00:12:55.000 I was like not walking very well still.

00:12:57.000 But I went to my mom to find her.

00:12:59.000 You took your own stitches out?

00:13:01.000 No, they did.

00:13:02.000 And then the next day I, with my mom and to the lady, we found her and then she said, Oh, I can help you to go to China, but just don't tell them that you are mom and daughter.

00:13:13.000 And then just tell them you're older than like 13, right?

00:13:16.000 They say you're maybe 18 or 19 and told my mom you're like 35.

00:13:21.000 She was in her forties.

00:13:22.000 I had no clue why they were doing that, but which was they were selling us to human traffickers.

00:13:28.000 Yeah.

00:13:29.000 So what happened to us?

00:13:31.000 So I crossed this frozen river, Yalu River, and there are guards with a machine gun standing there who are going to shoot you if you cross.

00:13:40.000 But because the human traffickers bribed the guards, we were able to go.

00:13:45.000 And as soon as we arrived in China, the first thing was my mom being raped in front of me. 1.00

00:13:50.000 But the thing is, I never... So there's no sex education in North Korea, right?

00:13:54.000 I don't even know the word sex by then.

00:13:55.000 I don't even know what kiss was.

00:13:57.000 Like, love doesn't exist.

00:14:00.000 We don't know the concept of love in North Korea.

00:14:03.000 Now that sounds like the most villainous thing I've ever heard.

00:14:06.000 Yeah.

00:14:07.000 I mean, we know love, but it's only love when we have love for the deal leader.

00:14:11.000 Of course.

00:14:12.000 In the return phone.

00:14:13.000 But they do not talk about women's love, so I never heard my mom say, like, I love you.

00:14:17.000 Ever.

00:14:18.000 I never knew that was a word that people used.

00:14:21.000 That's something I didn't know.

00:14:22.000 I mean, I still imagined with all of the problems of North Korea, people... You know, I have this vision of this dystopian world where the young men and women run and embrace and they're like, if the guards find us, it'll all be over.

00:14:35.000 Human emotion still exists in this place.

00:14:37.000 People still understand these concepts.

00:14:38.000 But I suppose if the authorities, the powers, suppress knowledge from you, you can't have these concepts.

00:14:45.000 So this is the thing, like, in North Korea, there's no concept for compassion.

00:14:49.000 We have no concept for human rights, liberty, love, you know, all these things.

00:14:53.000 It's like why George Orwell talks about who controls the language, controlling thoughts, right?

00:14:58.000 Yeah.

00:14:58.000 Double speak.

00:14:59.000 They write a new language for you.

00:15:02.000 So therefore, you don't, you're not capable of understanding this concept that we know here.

00:15:07.000 So now you leave North Korea, you find yourself in China, but you've been sold to traffickers.

00:15:12.000 Yeah.

00:15:12.000 So now you have another problem.

00:15:14.000 Yeah, I know.

00:15:15.000 And this, I mean, it sounds like that's... It's hard to quantify, but it sounds worse.

00:15:21.000 No, hunger is the worst thing. I mean, if you don't eat, you die.

00:15:25.000 Yeah.

00:15:26.000 So in China, I remember like, they told us they don't even bother to force us, right?

00:15:32.000 Like, oh, if you don't want to be sold, you can go back to North Korea.

00:15:34.000 And...

00:15:36.000 Which would mean death.

00:15:37.000 Yeah, which means you're gonna, even if you don't get caught, you're gonna die from starvation anyway.

00:15:42.000 And one thing that changed in my mind was, for the first time in my life, I was seeing a trash can.

00:15:47.000 And I did not know what it was, right?

00:15:49.000 What is that one thing where you throw things?

00:15:52.000 Like, what is trash?

00:15:53.000 Like, things that you don't need.

00:15:55.000 Like, what do you mean you have things to throw away?

00:15:59.000 That's when I was like, I told my mom I want to stay and they sold my mom for less than $100 in 21st century.

00:16:08.000 So you were separated from your mom?

00:16:10.000 Yeah, and they sold me for less than $300 and like because I was a virgin and that was something valuable in China.

00:16:18.000 So that's how I got separated from everybody and became alone.

00:16:22.000 So then how long were you in the situation for?

00:16:25.000 Almost two years.

00:16:27.000 Yeah.

00:16:28.000 And that's when I brought my mom to me.

00:16:30.000 I made a deal with a human trafficker who bombed me.

00:16:33.000 And I was gonna kill myself, but he said, Oh, if you become my mistress, I'm gonna help you to get your family.

00:16:41.000 So I did.

00:16:42.000 And then he brought my mom back from a farmer that he sold.

00:16:46.000 And he brought my sick father from North Korea. 0.99

00:16:48.000 Wow.

00:16:49.000 So he then brought your father and your mother into China.

00:16:52.000 Or your mom was in China, but your dad then came.

00:16:52.000 Yeah.

00:16:55.000 And so what happens next?

00:16:55.000 Yeah.

00:16:58.000 We'll make our way to how you made it to America.

00:17:01.000 Yeah, I know.

00:17:02.000 It's a long journey.

00:17:03.000 But my father had this colon cancer he got from the prison camp.

00:17:08.000 And he passed away before the Beijing Olympics in 2008.

00:17:12.000 I remember the world was celebrating.

00:17:15.000 But like North Koreans, You have to be invisible. 1.00

00:17:18.000 You're always scared to get caught by the authorities.

00:17:22.000 So he passed away.

00:17:23.000 I buried his ashes around 3 a.m.

00:17:26.000 in the middle of the mountain.

00:17:27.000 I was 14 years old.

00:17:29.000 And then, one year later, we met missionaries.

00:17:33.000 from South Korea.

00:17:35.000 And they said, oh, if you become Christian, we're going to help you to be free.

00:17:40.000 And then I was thinking, like, why do I have to keep believing in something to be saved?

00:17:45.000 But, you know, you're so desperate.

00:17:47.000 That didn't matter.

00:17:47.000 Even if they told me, you got to believe in water, I'm going to believe in the rock, water, whatever it was.

00:17:52.000 So I became Christian.

00:17:54.000 I proved my faith to them.

00:17:56.000 And they told us, we got to walk across the Gobi Desert.

00:18:01.000 And then if you're lucky enough not to die from the cold, because it was minus 40 degrees in February in the middle of desert.

00:18:08.000 And then if we don't get caught by the guards, then we might survive.

00:18:13.000 So I don't know the probability of making that journey.

00:18:16.000 And now nobody going that Mongolia route.

00:18:19.000 Nobody does it.

00:18:19.000 It's too risky.

00:18:21.000 So then you went the Mongolia route.

00:18:23.000 Where did you end up after that?

00:18:25.000 So after Mongolia, we were in the detention center several months.

00:18:29.000 In Mongolia?

00:18:31.000 They were moving around and then they brought us to South Korea.

00:18:34.000 Then they make us go through this insane process of screening.

00:18:38.000 Like they check if you're a spy or not.

00:18:41.000 Are you actually North Korean or not? 0.99

00:18:43.000 And then they put us in this training three-month program and tell us that Americans are not bastards.

00:18:51.000 South Korea is not colonized by America.

00:18:54.000 Like, you know, they tell us what, like, bank.

00:18:57.000 Tell me ATM machine, and I literally thought somebody inside the machine give me money, right?

00:19:02.000 Wow.

00:19:02.000 Never seen such a thing.

00:19:03.000 And in North Korea, we don't know what bank is.

00:19:06.000 So, just tell us how to take a subway.

00:19:08.000 Like, tell us, like, we are like babies.

00:19:10.000 We are adults, but babies never seen anything like this.

00:19:13.000 When you first got out of North Korea, were you surprised by the kind of foods that they had in China?

00:19:18.000 Yeah.

00:19:19.000 It was shocking.

00:19:20.000 Like, yeah, describe your experience.

00:19:23.000 What was like the first thing you had, or what was the most shocking thing about it?

00:19:26.000 But the thing is, you think when you are starving like that and go out, you think you're gonna eat a lot.

00:19:32.000 But your stomach is not used to this oily, fatty food.

00:19:36.000 So I remember I was throwing up constantly.

00:19:39.000 And I get, because I've never seen this many cars and buildings in my life.

00:19:42.000 North Korea, 90-70% of roads are not paved.

00:19:45.000 And only of them are in Pyongyang, too.

00:19:48.000 I've never seen a traffic, I've never seen a crosswalk, right?

00:19:54.000 But the thing is also, I lost everything by the time I was in China.

00:19:58.000 I was a slave, so I couldn't enjoy anything there.

00:20:03.000 Every day I was a survivor.

00:20:05.000 I remember every day I felt like I lived a thousand years today.

00:20:08.000 Every day I go by, and before I go to sleep, I put my shoes on.

00:20:12.000 Always have to look for the exit when the police comes, where do I run, where do I jump?

00:20:17.000 So ready to run every single day, like you live like that.

00:20:19.000 So now you've made it to South Korea, they put you through the screening, they want to make sure you're not a spy.

00:20:23.000 But was there a point where they finally opened the doors and said,

00:20:26.000 freedom is yours?

00:20:27.000 Yeah.

00:20:28.000 What was that like?

00:20:29.000 Scary.

00:20:32.000 It was so painful.

00:20:33.000 So scary.

00:20:34.000 Painful?

00:20:35.000 Yeah.

00:20:36.000 I mean, like, they remember, I remember they said, like, for the first time, like, so introduce yourself.

00:20:41.000 And in North Korea, we don't say I. Like, we don't allow to say I. We say, like, we like water.

00:20:48.000 Even when it's, because that's how- Like the meme!

00:20:51.000 It's not a meme, it's actually- No, no, there's a joke where we make fun of communists by replacing the letter I with we.

00:20:57.000 Oh yeah, they totally do that. 0.90

00:20:58.000 Wow.

00:20:59.000 Really?

00:20:59.000 Yeah.

00:21:00.000 And then, nobody asks you what do you think in North Korea, right?

00:21:04.000 So they tell you, your favorite color is red because it's a revolutionary color.

00:21:08.000 Your favorite country is North Korea because your favorite food is this, right?

00:21:11.000 So now in South Korea they say, oh if you don't know, just tell us your favorite color.

00:21:16.000 It's like, what the heck is that?

00:21:18.000 Do I suppose know what's my favorite color?

00:21:21.000 So thinking for yourself, was something not trained hurting my brain?

00:21:26.000 It was so painful, I was literally saying, being free is not easy.

00:21:30.000 Like, if I was guaranteed that I'm gonna have frozen, like, enough potato, if I go back to North Korea, I would go back. 0.94

00:21:36.000 Wow.

00:21:37.000 Wow, really?

00:21:38.000 Yeah, it was hard.

00:21:39.000 So, like, if you could have survived, you would have chosen to go back?

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:43.000 For sure, in the beginning, yeah.

00:21:43.000 Like, with food?

00:21:45.000 Several years time, I would have gone back.

00:21:47.000 It was very painful to be free.

00:21:50.000 But you learned, you figured it out, you adapted?

00:21:53.000 Yeah, I adapted.

00:21:55.000 I learned what freedom was.

00:21:57.000 For me to learn freedom was a responsibility.

00:22:00.000 And once I made that connection, it became more manageable.

00:22:05.000 But it's scary.

00:22:06.000 In North Korea, when you're born, your life is determined before you're born, based on your class, your parents, everything.

00:22:13.000 So what do you mean you choose your own major?

00:22:17.000 They say, what school do you want to go to?

00:22:18.000 I don't know.

00:22:19.000 So what major do you want to do?

00:22:21.000 What do you want to do with your life?

00:22:22.000 Do I have to know?

00:22:23.000 Can somebody tell me what to do?

00:22:25.000 I'm very good at being followed.

00:22:28.000 It seems like we're seeing this transformation in the United States where young people want exactly that.

00:22:34.000 They want to be told what to do.

00:22:35.000 They want the government to do it for them.

00:22:38.000 A lot of young people, especially the millennial generation, not so young anymore, In my life, I was always told, you have to go to school, you have to go to college, you have to do these things.

00:22:48.000 And everyone kept trying to tell me what I was supposed to do.

00:22:51.000 And for me, I was, no, I'm not going to do it.

00:22:54.000 But a lot of people I know went to college and just did what they were told.

00:22:58.000 When they get out of college, they ask, now tell me what to do.

00:23:02.000 So they're not used to being out there in the wilderness on their own.

00:23:05.000 And of course, this is very, very, very different from, say, North Korea.

00:23:09.000 But it's part of this shift, I suppose, where we used to be.

00:23:14.000 I mean, Americans are fairly obstinate. 0.97

00:23:16.000 You know, don't tell me what to do.

00:23:17.000 I'll do what I want.

00:23:18.000 But we're starting to see that shift now.

00:23:20.000 So we're really close to getting into modern politics.

00:23:22.000 But so I'll just ask you this.

00:23:24.000 So how did you end up, you know, so you're adapting to South Korea.

00:23:28.000 At what point did you decide, now I'm going to make an even bigger journey and choose for myself to go to America?

00:23:34.000 So I invited to a conference that was in Ireland, you know, Dublin, and it was a free conference, so they wanted to, it's like a youth leaders, like a leadership conference, every country participates.

00:23:47.000 So they asked North Korea, they called up North Korea, embassy in London, would you send a delegation from North Korea?

00:23:53.000 And then they said, we only can send three, because we have to spy on each other.

00:23:58.000 So two is a lot easier to run, but three, like, you're watching, I'm watching, and we're watching everybody, right?

00:24:02.000 So it's like, we only can send three.

00:24:04.000 And they're like, okay, how about we sponsor two, you sponsor one, and they're like, no.

00:24:08.000 So they're like, okay, we're gonna bring these defectors then. 0.66

00:24:10.000 I guess checker for them.

00:24:12.000 Very practical.

00:24:13.000 So they invite me for free.

00:24:16.000 And then I decided to be a speaker.

00:24:19.000 I applied to be a speaker.

00:24:20.000 It was very hard to become a speaker.

00:24:22.000 And the speech that I gave became very, very viral.

00:24:25.000 And I was in the university in South Korea.

00:24:27.000 So that led me to write a book.

00:24:30.000 And Penguin Randomize was in New York.

00:24:32.000 So they brought me to write a book in New York.

00:24:34.000 And then I wanted to continue my education.

00:24:36.000 And they told me there was a school at Columbia was in New York.

00:24:41.000 So... So here you are?

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:43.000 That's how I'm here.

00:24:45.000 So the interesting thing, I suppose, now is that you come here, you go to college.

00:24:49.000 The current culture war in the United States is, there's a very negative depiction of colleges that they're embracing critical theory, Marxist ideology, and wokeness sounds like there's similar aspects to what you experienced with the ideology being, you know, told what you can and can't like and things like that.

00:25:07.000 Not identical, obviously, but well, before the show, you said that the woke was crazier.

00:25:11.000 Yeah, I think that's what I said, like, with Fox News, like, North Korea is not even this nuts.

00:25:17.000 This is, I mean, where do I even begin?

00:25:20.000 But, I mean, it just, entire four years, I was, so in North Korea, by the time I was born, the revolution happened such a long time ago.

00:25:29.000 People are not passionate believers of communism, right?

00:25:33.000 Collectivism.

00:25:34.000 They just, so much fear, if you don't, you get executed.

00:25:37.000 So you have to do it.

00:25:39.000 And like, one thing, first thing my mom told me as a young girl was, don't even whisper, because the birds and mice could hear you.

00:25:47.000 And she was like, your tongue is the most dangerous weapon that you have.

00:25:50.000 The things you say is not going to just only kill you, it's going to kill three generations of our family, all together.

00:25:55.000 So be careful what you say, right?

00:25:58.000 When I go to school in the morning, she would not say, oh, be careful with the strangers, be careful with your mouth.

00:26:04.000 I'm worried that we're headed in that direction.

00:26:04.000 That's it.

00:26:07.000 Exactly.

00:26:08.000 You know, with censorship, with big tech, with people scared to speak out.

00:26:11.000 There are a lot of people that say, you know, I was tweeting about anonymity.

00:26:15.000 I wasn't really tweeting about anonymity, but I was tweeting about people who don't

00:26:18.000 use their names on social media.

00:26:20.000 And people said, I'm scared.

00:26:21.000 that I'll lose my job. I can't risk my job and my life from speaking out. And if

00:26:26.000 people don't speak out, we slowly slip into the nightmare version of whatever

00:26:33.000 that is where... North Korea. Yeah, the things you're describing. Yeah, this is how we go there. This is how it 0.58

00:26:39.000 begins. Wow. Yeah, that's what I do.

00:26:43.000 Oh, this is how the revolution began.

00:26:46.000 Because, I mean, at Columbia, this, genuinely, these kids feel like they are so oppressed.

00:26:46.000 Right?

00:26:53.000 They get triggered.

00:26:53.000 They actually cry, right?

00:26:55.000 By the injustice they fear.

00:26:57.000 How they are so oppressed and they are the victims.

00:26:59.000 And they're not faking it.

00:27:00.000 They really, really, truly believe it.

00:27:02.000 And the thing is, what makes me so sad is the North Koreans have to be brainwashed because we don't have any information. 0.99

00:27:08.000 Here, on the tip of your finger, you have entire history.

00:27:12.000 What Stalin did, what Mao did.

00:27:14.000 You know what this rot has taken us to humanity. 0.86

00:27:18.000 But these people are so completely brainwashed. 0.99

00:27:21.000 They think white men are the source of every single evil that we have. 0.95

00:27:25.000 I suppose I think it's scarier to me that you can warn us and say, hey, this is how the revolution started in North Korea. 0.96

00:27:33.000 Hey, this is what it's like when you have this communist totalitarian system.

00:27:37.000 And no matter how many times you scream it, there are a lot of people in this country that reject the idea that your warnings matter and they actively pursue these situations.

00:27:45.000 I suppose they think they'll be like the higher caste, maybe those who live in Pyongyang. 0.97

00:27:50.000 They have paved roads.

00:27:51.000 They have electricity.

00:27:53.000 But they'll probably just end up being the farmers in the outskirts who are executed for speaking out improperly.

00:27:58.000 Oh yeah, they get so much purges in Pyongyang.

00:28:02.000 But the thing is, North Korea designed starvation. 0.54

00:28:05.000 It's like Hunger Games.

00:28:07.000 There are 13 districts and there's a capital.

00:28:09.000 On purpose, Kim Jong-un starves us.

00:28:11.000 The other week, Kim Jong-un admitted that 11 million North Koreans are severely malnourished.

00:28:16.000 He never did that before, but now he doesn't even bother hiding it.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, we have like 60% of the population are severely malnourished.

00:28:25.000 Why is he doing that?

00:28:26.000 Because one missile test that he does, he can feed 25 million North Koreans for an entire year. 0.97

00:28:33.000 From 2017, he did 40 tests.

00:28:36.000 So if we just cut down a few tests, nobody has to die in North Korea. 0.75

00:28:39.000 Why?

00:28:40.000 This is what I can't understand, and maybe you'll have some insight, having obviously been from the country.

00:28:47.000 Wouldn't it be better for the party, for Kim Jong-un, for his close circle?

00:28:52.000 Wouldn't they be wealthier if North Korea was successful and prosperous, with a well-fed population, with new technologies and electricity?

00:29:01.000 Wouldn't he live better and safer?

00:29:03.000 No, but then he cannot be a god, right?

00:29:06.000 Right now, if you think about it, when you are full, then you will start to think about meaning of life.

00:29:12.000 You can think about philosophy, music, art, right?

00:29:15.000 But when North Koreans, every day, they don't care what's going on. 1.00

00:29:18.000 Am I going to be able to find the next meal or not?

00:29:20.000 Am I going to make it tonight or not?

00:29:22.000 That's all they care.

00:29:23.000 So people, entire population is dedicated to surviving.

00:29:27.000 So now, Kim Jong-un has no internal challenges.

00:29:31.000 It's not like other countries, there's no one single dissident in North Korea.

00:29:36.000 Have you ever heard that?

00:29:37.000 There's a house arrest.

00:29:38.000 No.

00:29:39.000 What's his goal?

00:29:40.000 What does he want?

00:29:42.000 Wasn't he educated in the West?

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 In Switzerland?

00:29:45.000 He's a psychopath. 1.00

00:29:46.000 He knows how humans should be treated. 1.00

00:29:48.000 That's the thing. 1.00

00:29:49.000 He's a psychopath. 0.99

00:29:51.000 He knows how people are supposed to be treated, but he doesn't, right? 1.00

00:29:55.000 He goes there.

00:29:56.000 He thinks he's a god.

00:29:58.000 I think so.

00:29:59.000 Because a lot of people who have met him when they're younger, they call him like a little janitor, right?

00:30:04.000 Yeah.

00:30:04.000 Like so everybody's like below him.

00:30:07.000 So I don't think he's completely himself brainwashed that he's a god.

00:30:11.000 So do you think the U.S.

00:30:12.000 is... I mean, the U.S.

00:30:13.000 is massive.

00:30:15.000 How many people... Do we know the population of North Korea?

00:30:18.000 In America?

00:30:19.000 Or the population of North Korea.

00:30:20.000 Oh, 25 million.

00:30:22.000 25 million.

00:30:23.000 So, I mean, the U.S.

00:30:24.000 has about 10 times the population.

00:30:28.000 It seems far-fetched, I suppose, or maybe people just believe it can't happen here, but do you think that what you're seeing in the U.S.

00:30:34.000 will bring us to a situation like North Korea?

00:30:37.000 I mean, right now I'm living in Chicago.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, I mean, Chicago is a war zone.

00:30:44.000 You cannot even walk out during the middle of the day in the downtown where there's police cars right there.

00:30:50.000 People commit crime.

00:30:52.000 And this, I mean, the system is broke.

00:30:55.000 Like, literally during the lootings, right?

00:30:57.000 Police standing there, this guy is destroying Nike store on the Magnificent Mile.

00:31:02.000 Why don't you arrest them?

00:31:04.000 And then my friend said, like, why don't you arrest them?

00:31:06.000 And then he's like, I know who to arrest.

00:31:07.000 And these guys started shooting at him.

00:31:10.000 Whoa.

00:31:10.000 Police is right there, and he had to run for his life.

00:31:13.000 He had a video.

00:31:15.000 I'm not joking.

00:31:16.000 Like, oh my gosh.

00:31:18.000 He started shooting at him, and police is standing there, nothing.

00:31:21.000 Are you familiar with the red salute?

00:31:24.000 No.

00:31:25.000 Have you seen the Black Lives Matter fist they show in the... Yeah. 1.00

00:31:30.000 Does that symbol appear in North Korea?

00:31:33.000 I mean, like, doing this thing?

00:31:34.000 Oh yeah, totally.

00:31:35.000 That's every time. 1.00

00:31:36.000 Like, let's kill our American bastards, our enemies. 1.00

00:31:39.000 Oh, you raise the fist. 1.00

00:31:40.000 Yeah.

00:31:40.000 So this, it's the red salute.

00:31:42.000 It's the communist fist.

00:31:44.000 You guys might know this.

00:31:45.000 I was reading that when someone is joining the Chinese Communist Party, they perform the red salute, they call it.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:52.000 I mean, you have to, like, raise your fist and pledge your life to the party, essentially.

00:31:58.000 Well, July 1st is the 100-year anniversary of the Communist Party in China, and there's this phenomenon of Red Tourism, where people are going around dressing up like old Red Guards and they're doing the salute and they're making pledges to devote their lives to the Party.

00:32:12.000 You go take an Instagram photo of you doing the Red Salute and pledging your life to the Party.

00:32:19.000 That's the flag of Black Lives Matter.

00:32:22.000 It's the symbol Twitter used for Juneteenth.

00:32:25.000 And they say it's the Black Power Fist.

00:32:27.000 And I'm like, yeah, I guess the Roman salute, which the Nazis used, is the White Power Fist. 0.63

00:32:33.000 Whatever, it doesn't matter to me.

00:32:34.000 These are salutes to the ideology.

00:32:39.000 Oppressive.

00:32:41.000 And I don't want to be alarmist by saying, oh, it's clearly happening here.

00:32:46.000 But you look at the embassies flying these flags, the U.S.

00:32:49.000 embassies now using the symbolism.

00:32:52.000 You see people marching through the street in defiance of edict from governors when they did the lockdowns, and they're performing the Red Salute.

00:32:59.000 They give it a different name, but it's the same symbol, the same flag.

00:33:02.000 The people who are organizing Black Lives Matter say they are trained Marxists, or at least some of them do. 0.79

00:33:07.000 Mm-hmm.

00:33:07.000 And critical race theory, which is the big battle in the culture war right now, is literally rooted in critical

00:33:14.000 theory from the traditional Marxist school of thought.

00:33:17.000 And they try and deny it. But every day I feel I do feel optimistic, especially today with, you know, seeing these

00:33:25.000 these families, Loudoun County, they're standing up, they're challenging the stuff.

00:33:29.000 But I feel like, you know, these people, these families are worried about what their kids are being taught, are putting themselves on the line.

00:33:37.000 I'm worried that if too many people are scared, and they remain scared, we inch closer towards a reality where you can no longer speak out anymore.

00:33:44.000 I mean, we have the poem, we know what happens when you don't speak out in defense of others.

00:33:48.000 So it feels like we're heading in that direction.

00:33:51.000 I think there was a viral video of some woman, it was like a Chinese woman who was talking about, I don't know if this was Loudon or someone else, but yeah, she was like a Chinese parent and she was saying, this is just like the Cultural Revolution, which I went through in China.

00:34:03.000 And a lot of people kind of were offended by that because there, you know, possibly 20 million people died during the Cultural Revolution.

00:34:10.000 So some people are like, oh, well that's, you're being too crazy if you're comparing this to the Cultural Revolution.

00:34:16.000 But you know, if the hallmark of the Cultural Revolution was the struggle session, right?

00:34:22.000 Which is struggle under Chinese communism is a verb where you struggle someone, you bring them into a room,

00:34:30.000 everybody in their workplace, or everybody in your neighborhood.

00:34:34.000 Like if it was a very prominent person, they would fill stadiums to denounce these people.

00:34:39.000 Like the person would stand there, they'd be made to hold some kind of like torture pose

00:34:44.000 so that they're like the airplane or something where they're like uncomfortable.

00:34:48.000 They'd have like a placard put on them that says what their crimes are, right?

00:34:52.000 And then people would scream at them, yell at them, humiliate them, shame them, throw things at them.

00:34:57.000 This is a struggle session.

00:34:59.000 And it's like, well, if you think of that as what the Cultural Revolution was doing to people, you know, we don't struggle people in the U.S.

00:35:08.000 We cancel people in the U.S.

00:35:10.000 And we can cancel them online.

00:35:12.000 We can ruin people's lives on Twitter.

00:35:15.000 We don't have to bring them into a room to yell at them.

00:35:18.000 We can just make them lose their jobs.

00:35:21.000 How is it that China and North Korea are so different, I suppose?

00:35:24.000 They went through a culture revolution, they had purges, they have a communist party with the red salutes and all that stuff, but China still has massive cities and wealth and technology and food.

00:35:36.000 Probably a lot of that is just the ability of China to accept investment from the West.

00:35:42.000 China really changed after Mao died.

00:35:46.000 Mao, because, you know, his political purges basically, like, killed almost 80 million people, probably.

00:35:55.000 So between the Great Leap Forward, the famine, the, you know, Cultural Revolution, like, he was just killing so many people. 0.69

00:36:02.000 And then the next generation of Chinese leaders were basically like, okay, we're communist, but this is not sustainable.

00:36:10.000 So they kind of, and a lot of them were people who were purged by Mao, like Deng Xiaoping.

00:36:13.000 So they were like, we're going to open our markets.

00:36:18.000 They call it reform and opening up.

00:36:20.000 And it wasn't really, the state was still involved.

00:36:23.000 Like, the state still owned the means of production, but they were kind of like, we'll give people the ability to at least make money on a small scale.

00:36:32.000 You can have businesses.

00:36:34.000 You don't have to work for the state.

00:36:37.000 Western investment can come in.

00:36:39.000 and bring the money.

00:36:41.000 I remember reading a story about like after Mao died, like the first people who were like made a contract

00:36:47.000 and like for them is like, oh, we might die for this.

00:36:51.000 Like we might be killed for this.

00:36:52.000 It was like the first test of like, will this reform and opening up actually happen?

00:36:56.000 So so what year was that around?

00:36:57.000 1978.

00:36:59.000 So that's when they finally started, I guess, modernizing and getting more technology and things to improve.

00:37:04.000 And then, because China is such a massive market, there's so many people there to work, right?

00:37:09.000 Manufacturing companies wanted to come in.

00:37:12.000 Companies... Germany came in in the 70s to start, like, building their... Volkswagen was their barrier.

00:37:17.000 Yeah, so, like, building their auto plants there already.

00:37:20.000 And also, people see it as a big market where people can buy things now.

00:37:24.000 So I think that's the real difference.

00:37:26.000 But like, structurally, it's not that different from North Korea.

00:37:30.000 You know, North Korean people ideologically and structurally, people like to pretend that China's not communist anymore, because they have, you know, a certain thing, like they have a stock market, but you can't own property in China still.

00:37:44.000 Like the state owns all the land still.

00:37:46.000 You can buy a lease on the land for 70 years, and that's what you're buying when you buy real estate.

00:37:54.000 Or you can buy an apartment in an apartment building, but you cannot actually own land.

00:37:59.000 All the land is still owned by the state.

00:38:01.000 And there is no real private companies.

00:38:03.000 It's maybe state-owned enterprises.

00:38:06.000 Otherwise, it's owned by a son or daughter of a party official.

00:38:10.000 Or every company, every school, everything in China basically has a Communist Party cell inside of it.

00:38:18.000 And there's a party secretary there watching everything.

00:38:20.000 So the party's involved.

00:38:22.000 There is no free enterprise in China.

00:38:25.000 Isn't it every single company has to have a party member?

00:38:29.000 Specifically whose job is to be a party member for the company or something like that?

00:38:29.000 Yeah.

00:38:32.000 Yeah, the party secretary.

00:38:34.000 That's happening here in the U.S.

00:38:34.000 Yeah.

00:38:36.000 with the diversity, inclusivity, and equity officers in all these companies.

00:38:40.000 I mean, it's a job that performs no function other than to be ideologically pure.

00:38:45.000 Well, that's the strange thing about all this.

00:38:47.000 Like, I've seen some reactions to, like, you're, like, Yomi, talking about woke in America, and people get really upset about that. 0.87

00:38:55.000 They're like, oh, that's ridiculous.

00:38:57.000 Or as Shelly mentioned, the Chinese woman who's like, hey, this is reminding me of the Cultural Revolution. 0.95

00:39:02.000 And if you only focus on, like, the differences, like, obviously the United States is not North Korea.

00:39:09.000 But somehow those societies became the way they were.

00:39:13.000 There is an evolution that happens, and I think the problem is people don't realize or understand what Marxism is.

00:39:20.000 They don't understand what Communism is.

00:39:22.000 Like, what is the problem of trying to create an equal society?

00:39:25.000 What's the problem of trying to teach people about slavery?

00:39:29.000 That's not bad.

00:39:30.000 So why are you saying that this is like the Cultural Revolution?

00:39:34.000 Every, I think, every example of the path to the utopia turned out to be a path to hell.

00:39:40.000 Yeah.

00:39:41.000 By design.

00:39:42.000 Yeah.

00:39:43.000 Well, you know what I think happens?

00:39:43.000 Right.

00:39:45.000 I know a lot of these activists on the left, and they're very utopian, they're very optimistic, idealistic, and they're like, we can create this beautiful utopia so long as we all just agree on how things work.

00:39:59.000 Well, it starts with 10 people, them and their friends.

00:40:02.000 And they all say, hey, I work today and I'm going to share with you my bounty.

00:40:06.000 And they say, thank you very much.

00:40:07.000 I did the dishes for you.

00:40:09.000 And then it goes up to 20 people.

00:40:12.000 But then one person says, I'm not going to share with you my, you know, my pizza.

00:40:16.000 I made this pizza myself.

00:40:17.000 I'm starving.

00:40:17.000 There's only enough for me.

00:40:18.000 I'm hungry.

00:40:19.000 And they say, okay, this person's got to go.

00:40:21.000 Because no matter what we say, they won't agree with us.

00:40:24.000 Hmm.

00:40:24.000 When it scales up to a certain point and you have, you're now locked to borders of a country,

00:40:30.000 and you can't just say, we're going to leave and do our own thing.

00:40:34.000 Well then what happens is they say, you know, we have this really great utopia, except for

00:40:38.000 those people.

00:40:39.000 Well, what do we do with them?

00:40:41.000 I guess you got to get rid of them.

00:40:44.000 And what ends up happening every single time?

00:40:47.000 They get rid of them.

00:40:49.000 And there are people who will argue with that, but that basically is what it says in the Communist Manifesto.

00:40:54.000 That to create this equal, utopian society, you have to overthrow all pre-existing social conditions.

00:41:01.000 Like the family.

00:41:03.000 Like religion.

00:41:04.000 Well, what happens if somebody doesn't want to give up their religion?

00:41:07.000 What if somebody likes their family?

00:41:10.000 What are they like private property?

00:41:12.000 This is why I wonder about, you know, North Korea.

00:41:15.000 You know, you're saying that you don't have these concepts.

00:41:17.000 You don't understand love and things like that.

00:41:19.000 The color thing was amazing.

00:41:22.000 Like that's something that kindergartners have.

00:41:25.000 You learn your colors.

00:41:26.000 What's your favorite color?

00:41:27.000 Yeah, which one just do you and I remember being a little kid and they have a bunch of colors and they're like, which one is your favorite?

00:41:33.000 And I'm like, I don't know.

00:41:34.000 I said green.

00:41:34.000 You know why?

00:41:35.000 Because my birthday's in March and the calendar for March was always green.

00:41:39.000 So I just said green.

00:41:41.000 Like they just left it upon me as a child who had no real understanding of what it meant to have a favorite color to just say it.

00:41:47.000 Yeah.

00:41:48.000 And I was like, green!

00:41:49.000 Clearly green is not my favorite color today.

00:41:52.000 You know, a good point about that is, like, a lot of the problem people have with, like, this critical race theory stuff that's going around, especially when it's being taught through, like, K through 12, like, whatever it is as a university subject, you're a college student, you're a fully foreign person. 0.61

00:42:09.000 But, like, if you're talking in kindergarten, you don't even have a real sense of your own self-identity, and yet you're already being put into these classes.

00:42:19.000 See, what's interesting, technically, they aren't teaching critical race theory, because they're arguing, oh, we don't bring up the literature of race and policy.

00:42:29.000 What they're doing is they're teaching the core thesis of critical race theory within other subjects.

00:42:37.000 So imagine, here's why I described it.

00:42:40.000 Imagine if a bunch of parents decided that the new math curriculum would be something like, here's a math problem a child encounters.

00:42:48.000 Jeremiah has 10 Bibles.

00:42:49.000 In order to worship the Lord properly, he must distribute seven of them to his neighbors. 0.95

00:42:54.000 If he doesn't, he will burn in hell.

00:42:56.000 How many Bibles does he have after he distributes the ones the Lord requires?

00:43:00.000 Like if that was an actual math problem in schools, parents would be like, yo, like what?

00:43:05.000 They're not teaching the Bible.

00:43:06.000 They're not teaching Christianity. 0.93

00:43:07.000 No, what are you talking about?

00:43:09.000 We've never mentioned scripture.

00:43:11.000 Nobody's reading from the Bible. 1.00

00:43:12.000 You're crazy. 0.99

00:43:13.000 And then you look at the math problem, you're like, this is just this whole thing. 0.97

00:43:18.000 So they're finding subversive ways to indoctrinate kids, but it's also incorporated in their policies.

00:43:22.000 And the scary thing is it's become inherent now, where you have these schools that don't even recognize they exist in this alternate reality.

00:43:30.000 It's normal to them.

00:43:32.000 That's that's where that's where it starts.

00:43:35.000 Like you mentioned, these countries all ended up these ways.

00:43:38.000 That's what I find truly interesting.

00:43:39.000 So obviously, a lot of people know that I'm part Korean.

00:43:43.000 And because you know, Tim Pool is mixed race like a meme. 1.00

00:43:45.000 I make I say it all the time because we're talking about, you know, race policy and identity, identitarianism.

00:43:50.000 But actually, my great grandfather is from a city in the north.

00:43:55.000 At the time, there was no North.

00:43:57.000 So for my family leaving Korea, coming to the United States and all that stuff, these concepts of a North and a South and this conflict didn't exist at the time.

00:44:05.000 Something happened where all of a sudden, the city where my great-grandfather is, is worlds apart from the city where my great-grandmother was

00:44:15.000 And I think my great-grandmother was from Seoul, and my great-grandfather was from Haeju?

00:44:15.000 from.

00:44:19.000 Haeju? 0.78

00:44:20.000 Yes, yeah.

00:44:21.000 Now, I mean, at the time, they were probably identical in many ways.

00:44:24.000 Like, same culture, same language, same history.

00:44:26.000 Now they're just absolutely different.

00:44:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:29.000 I'd imagine the people in the North, like you mentioned, they think they have this god, they have this new religion.

00:44:34.000 The history has changed.

00:44:36.000 Something happened to make it that way.

00:44:37.000 And now that impacts, you know, even me and other people whose history sort of stops at these conflicts.

00:44:44.000 The historical revisionism that's happening in the United States is what scares me, and that's why I kind of, you know, related to these circumstances.

00:44:51.000 I mean, North Korea also had like a speed run at this in a certain way because it was the Soviet Union after World War II that got North Korea, right?

00:45:00.000 Like the treaty was, we split it along the 38th parallel that the Western democracies, they get South Korea, Russia, the Soviet Union gets North Korea.

00:45:10.000 So you guys kind of had like...

00:45:12.000 like a crash course in this in a certain sense where like you know now suddenly Kim Jong uh well Kim Il-sung is put in and he's like taking soviet stuff and then using it to build his own identity cult and all this stuff so it's kind of it's kind of crazy to look at North Korea too because this is like this is like the you know like the super powered version of what happens I mean, the thing is, like, what shocks me about North Korea, they began, like, communism, right? 0.67

00:45:40.000 Promising, oh, I'm gonna give you free healthcare, free education, free housing, free everything.

00:45:45.000 I mean, nothing is free, but they say everything is free.

00:45:48.000 So they did that in the beginning from the Soviets, they got subsidies.

00:45:51.000 So they were giving rations to the people for free.

00:45:55.000 In the 90s, they stopped, the Soviet Union collapsed.

00:45:57.000 What did they do?

00:45:58.000 They changed their ideology to self-reliance.

00:46:02.000 So now, they don't care about you, you take care of yourself.

00:46:05.000 By the way, you have no freedom to trade, do nothing.

00:46:09.000 So how do you survive?

00:46:10.000 So that's why like 30 million people died in the 90s in the northern parts.

00:46:15.000 If you secretly grew a tomato plant or something in your base and like you hid it in your house, would they would they execute you if they found it?

00:46:23.000 No, I mean if you hide it really well.

00:46:25.000 Yeah, like let's let's say you're starving.

00:46:27.000 Yeah.

00:46:27.000 So you secretly grow some plants.

00:46:29.000 It's okay.

00:46:30.000 It's okay.

00:46:31.000 Yeah.

00:46:32.000 You're you're allowed to grow your own food or?

00:46:34.000 No, we cannot own the land.

00:46:35.000 It's collectivism.

00:46:36.000 We work collectively in the farm, and then the government takes 80%, and 20% is divided between the government officials, and then they just don't give you anything. 0.99

00:46:47.000 It's like the stupidest thing I've ever heard, to be honest. 0.97

00:46:50.000 It's an inefficient way to run a system to even benefit themselves. 1.00

00:46:54.000 I think this is why China was like, hey, let's take investment.

00:46:56.000 We want to be rich and successful.

00:46:57.000 Now there's more Chinese millionaires than there are American millionaires.

00:47:01.000 They've made themselves wealthy and powerful.

00:47:04.000 Why doesn't North Korea do it? 1.00

00:47:06.000 He's just too scared.

00:47:07.000 He's very scared and all he needs is nukes, right?

00:47:11.000 So he doesn't want to change anything.

00:47:13.000 He's comfortable.

00:47:14.000 He's been so good at this.

00:47:16.000 Why would he change anything, right?

00:47:18.000 They've been so successful at this for almost 80 years they've been doing this.

00:47:22.000 And I think even Kim Jong-un is a victim of the same brainwashing at this point.

00:47:28.000 Certainly he's in charge and he understands it more and knows more than regular people.

00:47:32.000 He was educated in the West, but he was also very much indoctrinated.

00:47:36.000 You have to run this country, you have to be in charge.

00:47:38.000 And so his worldview is now a product of their own manipulation.

00:47:44.000 He was Marxist.

00:47:45.000 I'm sure Kim Il-sung had an understanding of global affairs and world politics.

00:47:45.000 He was Leninist.

00:47:50.000 He probably understood, you know...

00:47:52.000 He was Marxist.

00:47:53.000 He was Leninist.

00:47:54.000 For sure.

00:47:55.000 Yeah.

00:47:56.000 I'm sure he... but he knew about Russia.

00:47:57.000 He knew about the world.

00:47:58.000 And then he told everyone he was God?

00:48:01.000 Yeah.

00:48:02.000 And then, you know, his son was in the 70s trying to be nice to his father because he

00:48:06.000 had a lot of concubines and sons, right?

00:48:09.000 So there's a competition, the Game of Thrones.

00:48:12.000 Remember King Kong killed his half-brother in Malaysia?

00:48:15.000 Literally they are killing each other to get there.

00:48:18.000 So he was saying in the 70s, Oh, I want to get this throne from my father.

00:48:22.000 So now I'm going to make him God.

00:48:24.000 So he did all propaganda, making him Kim can move the mountains, knows what you think, like everything began there. 0.54

00:48:31.000 So, so what are the circumstances keeping North Korea as it is?

00:48:35.000 Certainly there's external pressure for them to change their ways, open up, free their people.

00:48:41.000 But I, my understanding is like China is very defensive.

00:48:45.000 China likes North Korea as sort of like this problem that the rest of the world needs to come to China to work on. 0.94

00:48:53.000 They're a crazy guy with nukes and only we can negotiate.

00:48:56.000 Like if you have to talk to us and it actually ties a lot into sort of China's internal political struggles as well, because certain factions within China were the ones working with the Kim family. 0.58

00:49:11.000 Other factions did not.

00:49:15.000 So yeah, it's it's it's leverage for them.

00:49:18.000 Yeah, it's leverage.

00:49:19.000 And it's definitely makes China look better. 0.94

00:49:23.000 Well, like hearing a story where you say that, that you felt being a slave in China was better because at least you had food.

00:49:30.000 But the thing is, what shocks me is in America.

00:49:33.000 Like, these people talking about slavery that happened hundreds of years ago.

00:49:37.000 Right.

00:49:38.000 This is happening right now when you're sitting down.

00:49:40.000 Do you know during the COVID time, if you go to Baidu, the Chinese Google, you get North Korean girls for $900. 0.97

00:49:47.000 You order them in.

00:49:48.000 And this is happening, and nobody in mainstream, like Michelle Obama has no problem standing up for girls that are captured by ISIS or Boko Haram.

00:49:57.000 Where is any public figure in the mainstream standing up for this curse?

00:50:01.000 Right now there are 300,000 North Korean refugees in China hiding, and most of them are women, and most of them are trafficked.

00:50:09.000 So we have actual modern-day slavery existing.

00:50:13.000 China has a huge human trafficking problem.

00:50:15.000 Because the one child policy screwed up the population.

00:50:19.000 30 million men cannot find wives.

00:50:23.000 So where are these women being bought by these 30 million men who cannot afford wives in China? 0.97

00:50:29.000 Are there organizations that buy the women to then free them and get them to other countries? 0.97

00:50:33.000 We do that.

00:50:34.000 I work with a lot of nonprofits.

00:50:36.000 We do rescue work, but it's become so hard during the COVID.

00:50:40.000 So, but the thing is, it's, you know, now in America right now, there's only over 200 North Koreans made it to America for during the last 75 years.

00:50:50.000 Yikes.

00:50:51.000 Yeah.

00:50:52.000 For you to come from South Korea to the United States, was it difficult?

00:50:56.000 I came as a South Korean.

00:50:57.000 Oh, so you just walked right in.

00:50:59.000 Yeah, but then I had to get a visa.

00:51:02.000 I came legally.

00:51:05.000 As a South Korean, you can just fly here without notice and get a visa on entry, right?

00:51:10.000 You get an electronic visa, but it's hard to get a working permit.

00:51:13.000 You can come as a tourist, but it's very hard to come as an immigrant from South Korea.

00:51:18.000 Yeah, it's actually fairly difficult, I think, for anybody to get a work visa in the United States.

00:51:24.000 I say relatively difficult, but I'm sure there's a lot of countries where it's a lot harder, especially with, like, Middle Eastern refugees into Europe. 1.00

00:51:29.000 I've seen a lot of those stories.

00:51:31.000 Yeah, so... Japan is pretty closed off.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:34.000 You know, I've heard people say that Japan is an ethnostate, and I've heard other people say it's not.

00:51:38.000 But I'm curious, you know, what you guys think about that.

00:51:40.000 I'm not an expert on Japan.

00:51:43.000 Outside of anime.

00:51:47.000 Well, so... I guess the difficult thing is, I'd like to try and predict the future.

00:51:52.000 You know, I'd like to know, can we take... We've made some of these statements, like, oh, we can see what happened in North Korea, we can see how people behave, how they're scared to speak.

00:52:00.000 And then, we've said, somehow North Korea became this way.

00:52:05.000 But is it really like the U.S.

00:52:06.000 could track in a similar direction?

00:52:07.000 Or is it just fanciful thinking that the U.S.

00:52:11.000 would ever become like this?

00:52:12.000 You know, is the U.S.

00:52:14.000 gonna break out of this and just become sane again and defeat the cultural Marxist ideology?

00:52:21.000 I'm fairly optimistic, to be completely honest.

00:52:23.000 I mean, I see these parents waking up.

00:52:25.000 I see a lot of reason to be optimistic in terms of what's happening politically with people being snapped to attention because of what's happening.

00:52:33.000 And I have to imagine that there's elements within the U.S.

00:52:35.000 government, they know everything we're saying and they're worried about these things too.

00:52:40.000 Or is the ideological split so severe that these, you know, cultural Marxists and critical race theorists control too much?

00:52:48.000 Well, I think with everything happening in schools, that was definitely overreach.

00:52:53.000 Like once you start targeting people's kids, that's when people really freak out.

00:52:57.000 That brings it to home.

00:52:58.000 So I think this is like all the debate about critical race theory.

00:53:03.000 I think it's really a good window of opportunity to educate people about what Marxist ideology

00:53:10.000 is, how it functions, how it takes an issue and inverts it and then flips it into something

00:53:15.000 else.

00:53:16.000 Like, for example, race.

00:53:19.000 You know, decades ago, we as a country made a decision that, you know, judging people

00:53:24.000 by the color of their skin is wrong.

00:53:26.000 That's racist.

00:53:28.000 but now it's flipped.

00:53:29.000 So it's like, oh no, no, you should develop racial consciousness.

00:53:33.000 I think is the term they use.

00:53:34.000 You need to be able to look at people by race so you can properly sort them out based on their privilege and their oppressor status.

00:53:42.000 That's creepy.

00:53:43.000 It's kind of the opposite of Taoism, actually.

00:53:43.000 It is.

00:53:46.000 Yeah.

00:53:48.000 I'm curious about war.

00:53:50.000 We recently saw China send the most warships they've ever, warplanes, into the Taiwanese defense zone.

00:53:57.000 And so there's this, obviously, one thing we mention often is Thucydides Trap.

00:54:01.000 There's a very real fear that war will be happening soon.

00:54:04.000 I'm wondering, before we start talking about China though, The stuff that you see with North Korea with the firing of the nuclear missiles.

00:54:11.000 Do you feel there's anything to that?

00:54:13.000 Or is it just Kim Jong Un says, look at me, I'm a nuisance, give me free stuff.

00:54:17.000 And there's not actually going to be any real conflict out of the nuclear weapons in North Korea.

00:54:22.000 I think Kim Jong-un is very rational enough not to start a war with any country.

00:54:27.000 He knows when he does that, he's going to be done, right?

00:54:30.000 America's not going to get him.

00:54:31.000 So I don't think that can ever happen, but I think Kim Jong-un's goal is waiting for the West to be weakened.

00:54:40.000 Right?

00:54:41.000 For the West to be destabilized right now.

00:54:43.000 There's so much internal problem.

00:54:45.000 America is so busy with themselves right now.

00:54:47.000 Not able to solve any problems like globally.

00:54:50.000 So it's a good thing for Kim Jong-un, right? 0.98

00:54:52.000 He wants to beat America.

00:54:54.000 And internally he just keep building capability with missiles.

00:54:58.000 So someday his dream might get that he might bomb America entirely.

00:55:03.000 I mean, his bombs can reach Hawaii, D.C.

00:55:06.000 and Manila, but bombing a few cities, he's not gonna win the war, right?

00:55:11.000 He can attack, damage the U.S.A., but not gonna win.

00:55:14.000 But when America's so busy, he just keep doing this, his thing.

00:55:17.000 If you were to try and fire a nuke or something, would China... China would stop them, right? 0.99

00:55:22.000 China would be probably forced in a position where it would have to at least offer some kind of lip service about, like, that's bad. 1.00

00:55:29.000 Because they don't want the rest of the world to turn against China.

00:55:29.000 Yeah.

00:55:34.000 Right.

00:55:35.000 Because, like, if you are a country backing North Korea nuking some other country, that's bad PR.

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 Um, practically speaking, what they would do.

00:55:46.000 China is worried about North Korea becoming a little too hot to handle, too unwilling to listen to Beijing leadership.

00:55:56.000 As I recall, Kim Jong-un didn't even meet with Xi Jinping for many years until... Until, yeah, Trump was about to meet with him.

00:56:04.000 And then suddenly, like, the two sides met.

00:56:05.000 But it wasn't Kim Jong-un didn't want it.

00:56:08.000 Xi Jinping didn't invite him.

00:56:09.000 Do you know that Deng Xiaotong, the uncle, he was a Chinese guy.

00:56:13.000 He was funded by China a lot, the uncle who got executed, right?

00:56:17.000 So when Kim Jong-un killed his uncle, China got so upset because they just did it independently. 0.91

00:56:17.000 Oh, yeah. 0.91

00:56:24.000 So Xi Jinping didn't invite him, didn't, like, accept him as a legitimate North Korean leader.

00:56:29.000 But when he wants to meet Trump, of course, China had, like, jumped before.

00:56:33.000 Didn't?

00:56:34.000 Wasn't the brother that Kim Jong-un poisoned also, like, hiding in China?

00:56:38.000 He was kind of being supported by China, too.

00:56:41.000 China has been trying to push, like, their own interest in North Korea by pushing people who would make the kind of market reforms they want.

00:56:49.000 And supposedly Kim Jong-nam... Kim Jong-nam was open.

00:56:52.000 He was open to that idea.

00:56:53.000 And Jang Song-thaek, too. 0.88

00:56:54.000 So China always recommended North Korea to take our path.

00:56:58.000 Your comments are probably going to last forever.

00:57:00.000 And it's like, open up a little so people don't die from starvation, right?

00:57:04.000 Like, what's the point of all this?

00:57:06.000 And North Korea's like, no, no, no, we're fine. 0.94

00:57:08.000 So Kim Jong-un get rid of any reformers in the interim.

00:57:12.000 So Jang Sung-tae was... 0.68

00:57:14.000 China wants North Korea to do better and adopt some more of their kind of policies?

00:57:19.000 Exactly.

00:57:19.000 They toured Kim Jong-il the second he was alive.

00:57:24.000 Showed him around.

00:57:25.000 Look at us, what we have done.

00:57:26.000 Look at Shanghai, Beijing.

00:57:28.000 Two weeks tour.

00:57:29.000 Showing him, like, take the reform path.

00:57:32.000 And then Kim Jong-il goes back, nope, nope, we're not turning it down.

00:57:35.000 This might be a dark question, but why hasn't anybody just removed that lineage and just gotten rid of that family?

00:57:42.000 I mean, certainly there are people you mentioned they're hiding out in China.

00:57:45.000 Even China's got interest in this.

00:57:47.000 Does no one want to?

00:57:48.000 I mean, look, people have tried to remove Castro, Saddam Hussein.

00:57:53.000 The issue is China does not want a wave of North Korean refugees flooding into China.

00:57:58.000 Interesting.

00:57:59.000 They don't want to be responsible for North Korea because it's so terrible right now.

00:58:03.000 Like, you have to rebuild the society from scratch, right?

00:58:07.000 And they can't let the U.S. 0.58

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:08.000 take it.

00:58:09.000 Because if they don't, the U.S.

00:58:10.000 walks right in.

00:58:12.000 And they don't want the U.S.

00:58:13.000 on their border.

00:58:14.000 Yep.

00:58:15.000 It's their buffer.

00:58:16.000 Yeah.

00:58:16.000 So complicated and so horrifying because there are people here who need food and resources and just, more importantly, opportunity.

00:58:23.000 I mean, it sounds like if you got rid of the authoritarianism, these people would just thrive.

00:58:28.000 Do you know, like, North Koreans, as a nation, one of the highest IQs in the world.

00:58:28.000 Yeah.

00:58:33.000 So no wonder why they build these nukes.

00:58:35.000 And North Korea is the only country that can bully Biden, right?

00:58:38.000 Biden's been trying to reach out to Kim Jong-un.

00:58:41.000 Anytime, anywhere, without putting any concessions, I want to meet you and talk to you.

00:58:45.000 Kim Jong-un has not returned his call since February.

00:58:48.000 Wow.

00:58:48.000 But Trump?

00:58:49.000 Yeah, Trump was tough guy.

00:58:50.000 Kim Jong-un knew that he could not bully Trump.

00:58:53.000 So whatever, he was sending the love letters to Trump, right?

00:58:56.000 Please him.

00:58:57.000 And Biden, like Kim Jong-un knows, like, I can bully you whatever way I want to. 0.99

00:59:01.000 Well, I love it when Kim Jong-un called Trump a dotard. 0.99

00:59:05.000 Daughter? 1.00

00:59:07.000 Daughtered.

00:59:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:12.000 Old, fumbling.

00:59:13.000 Certainly that worked for Joe Biden.

00:59:15.000 Yeah.

00:59:16.000 But then Trump was like, I would never call him short and fat.

00:59:18.000 Wow, that was our president.

00:59:21.000 So, but how do you feel about, you know, I'll tell you this.

00:59:24.000 There are a lot of people who are in this country, don't like Trump.

00:59:28.000 And like Blackwork, they were all extremely critical of Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and cross and just meeting him in general.

00:59:34.000 I looked at that when Trump crossed the DMZ into North Korea with no security.

00:59:39.000 I thought that was tremendous.

00:59:41.000 But what's your thought?

00:59:43.000 Back then, I was more like seeing it black and white.

00:59:46.000 Like, you don't just sit down with a modern-day Hitler and then treating him like a modern, like actual leader of the country. 0.62

00:59:53.000 Like, North Korean people didn't choose Kim Jong-un to represent us.

00:59:56.000 He was a dictator, right?

00:59:58.000 So the fact that Trump was going there without actually any concessions from, like, Kim Jong-un was already lost.

01:00:04.000 He didn't get anything back.

01:00:05.000 Instead, Kim Jong-un did a huge promotion at home.

01:00:09.000 Showing like, look at me, now even America is backing me.

01:00:12.000 So if there's any internal coup that would happen, they don't want to go after a guy that the U.S.

01:00:17.000 is accepting as a legitimate leader.

01:00:19.000 So internally, it was so bad.

01:00:21.000 However, now, like in a way, Biden is worse, right?

01:00:24.000 I mean, Trump at least brought a highlight to the issue and tried to solve something about it.

01:00:30.000 Like Biden recently, they reviewed their policy towards North Korea.

01:00:34.000 Which is going to be exactly what Obama did.

01:00:37.000 Strategic patience, which is strategically you do nothing, just waiting, and Kim Jong-un take the first positive move.

01:00:45.000 So if they ignore North Korea like this, four, five years, eight years later, we don't know what North Korea end up with nuclear capability. 0.62

01:00:54.000 Yeah.

01:00:55.000 I certainly see what you're saying with Trump.

01:00:56.000 I was hopeful that Trump, without security, crossed into North Korea and they could have just snatched him up.

01:01:06.000 Obviously, they wouldn't because you can't take the American president, but it felt like at least this was some normalization.

01:01:13.000 Some.

01:01:14.000 Yeah.

01:01:14.000 But I certainly see what you're saying.

01:01:16.000 I was hoping that it was a first step towards trust and maybe some kind of normalized trade, maybe some kind of encouragement towards, you know, look, there's opportunity if you change some of your ways.

01:01:27.000 But, you know, based on what you've all been saying about how China wants the reform and they don't, it really does feel like the Kim-Ill family is a bunch of despotic... what's the... megalomaniacs. 0.93

01:01:40.000 who think they're God. 0.83

01:01:41.000 Yeah, they're so paranoid.

01:01:43.000 And also the thing is, if we are negotiating with North Korea for the first time, it makes sense to honor them, make them feel comfortable and trusted.

01:01:51.000 This guy has been playing the same playbook for like, last 70 something years.

01:01:56.000 They know what they know, or what they want to.

01:01:59.000 So in a way, it just doesn't work anymore.

01:02:01.000 Like talking to North Korea and then just try to make them warm and come out. 0.99

01:02:06.000 It's not gonna work.

01:02:06.000 It's gonna take way more than to change North Korea.

01:02:09.000 When you lived there, did you ever encounter South Korean propaganda?

01:02:14.000 Yeah.

01:02:14.000 In North Korea?

01:02:14.000 I mean, every single day?

01:02:16.000 Like, I did not know South Korea was an independent country.

01:02:20.000 They told us that U.S. 0.88

01:02:22.000 is colonizing them, it's a modern-day colonization, and how these children get raped by U.S.

01:02:27.000 soldiers, and entirely, like, cartoons filled with the most corrupt, and then how entire humanity want to come to North Korea. 0.80

01:02:37.000 Yeah, entire humanity.

01:02:39.000 There's a song in North Korea called Nothing to Envy.

01:02:42.000 It's a song because we have nothing to envy.

01:02:43.000 We live in a socialist paradise.

01:02:45.000 We literally have nothing.

01:02:51.000 You know, when I interviewed these New Zealanders who rode their motorcycles through North Korea, the one thing they did say was like, beautiful country.

01:03:03.000 Untainted.

01:03:04.000 Nature.

01:03:06.000 No pollution.

01:03:07.000 There's no trash.

01:03:08.000 No trash.

01:03:08.000 No, but that's not true.

01:03:10.000 You think so, right?

01:03:11.000 You think so.

01:03:13.000 Look at just why North Korea every year they have flooding.

01:03:17.000 Massive flooding.

01:03:19.000 So we don't have as much electricity.

01:03:21.000 North Korea is very cold.

01:03:22.000 We are like 80% mountains, like country.

01:03:25.000 So people need to get something to burn, cook food.

01:03:28.000 We live in like 16th century time.

01:03:30.000 We go to river to bath.

01:03:32.000 I never seen a shower, like never seen a thing.

01:03:34.000 We go a few times a year, we go to river, we take a bath and that's it.

01:03:38.000 So we have to get chop the woods to start a fire.

01:03:41.000 So people go into the mountains and cut down entire trees.

01:03:45.000 And the big trees, China took it. 1.00

01:03:46.000 China took it.

01:03:48.000 And then the coal mines.

01:03:50.000 China owns North Korea now. 0.86

01:03:52.000 They lent these mines, coal mines, gold mines, for 100 years at least.

01:03:57.000 200 years at least.

01:03:58.000 So they're digging, digging, digging, pollution.

01:04:01.000 And the nuclear, the debris.

01:04:03.000 They're doing so much tests.

01:04:05.000 Now people in North Korea got deformed in their DNA changes.

01:04:10.000 So, so much flooding.

01:04:11.000 I mean, I'm sure they've gone to the part where there are trees there.

01:04:15.000 But when normal people live, we don't get the trees.

01:04:18.000 We don't get nature.

01:04:20.000 I'm so shocked when I was here today, seeing all these trees, like so many trees.

01:04:24.000 Oh, you're in Chicago now too?

01:04:26.000 Yeah.

01:04:26.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people might not know this.

01:04:28.000 I didn't even... I grew up in Chicago.

01:04:30.000 When you fly in, Chicago is like a forest.

01:04:33.000 Because every city street has just a tree in front of every house.

01:04:37.000 You go to New York and it's, there's trees, but it's a big concrete block.

01:04:41.000 And L.A.

01:04:41.000 is the same way.

01:04:42.000 Yeah, trees everywhere.

01:04:44.000 That really is something truly amazing about Chicago that I should definitely give it credit for.

01:04:48.000 Been to a lot of cities, but to have every city street with trees lining every house, it really is fantastic.

01:04:57.000 So I'm pretty sure the people that I interviewed, they said they chose their route, but I'm sure it was just that it was an acceptable route in the first place.

01:05:06.000 Of course.

01:05:07.000 Because if they went through bad areas, it was interesting.

01:05:11.000 He said, they told me that a lot of people criticize North Korea for their Potemkin villages.

01:05:17.000 When someone comes in to interview, they bring them and they show them this wonderful supermarket and they say, look at all the glorious bounty.

01:05:23.000 And we in the U.S., we say they're putting on a show to make it seem like they're successful.

01:05:29.000 Soviet Union did that.

01:05:30.000 Worked on a lot of US officials.

01:05:30.000 was, no, no, they're just dressing up.

01:05:32.000 Like when you have your friends over, you wear your Sunday's best.

01:05:35.000 You're not trying to lie to them, you're trying to be presentable, right?

01:05:39.000 That was their perspective on it.

01:05:41.000 My perspective is, they're trying to trick you into thinking that people aren't suffering

01:05:44.000 and dying in the streets.

01:05:45.000 Soviet Union did that.

01:05:47.000 Worked on a lot of US officials, Bernie Sanders.

01:05:49.000 Who was it who said that they came to the US and said, if my people saw what, you know, we've done to them, because he was like at a supermarket.

01:06:00.000 It was a Cuban guy.

01:06:01.000 Was it a Cuban guy?

01:06:02.000 Yeah, it was a Cuban guy who said, you know, he was at an Aldi.

01:06:06.000 Right?

01:06:06.000 So it's not even like, he's not like at a Whole Foods.

01:06:08.000 He's at an Aldi.

01:06:09.000 Isn't that not an American chain?

01:06:11.000 It's actually East German.

01:06:12.000 Yeah.

01:06:14.000 So like he was, yeah, he was just saying like, he was standing in an Aldi and then he got too depressed and had to leave because he was like, they've destroyed our people.

01:06:22.000 Like they've destroyed our country.

01:06:23.000 Like, yeah.

01:06:24.000 I thought there was a Russian guy who said that, you know, if my people saw, you know, the variety or whatever of the Americans, there would be a revolution overnight or something like that.

01:06:34.000 I can't place it, though.

01:06:34.000 That sounds familiar.

01:06:36.000 I do think there's something silly about having like 80 different kinds of peanut butter.

01:06:41.000 But I suppose I'll take 80 kinds of peanut butter over no peanut butter at all.

01:06:44.000 Hey, the market will decide.

01:06:47.000 All one kind of peanut butter.

01:06:49.000 Right, right, right.

01:06:50.000 Kim Jong-un brand peanut butter, different flavors.

01:06:53.000 Here's one with a red label, here's one with a yellow label.

01:06:55.000 Yeah, the joke is that in communist countries you wait in a bread line, in capitalist countries the bread line forms for you, or something like that.

01:07:03.000 The bread is in a line waiting for you, all just on the shelf and everything like that.

01:07:07.000 I mean, we have our problems though.

01:07:09.000 I think that If you go back to the early 1900s, the rise of the communist and the fascist factions in Europe, and, you know, more so towards World War II, the communists get defeated in Europe by the fascists, the fascists get defeated by the Allies and the Soviet Union, but then communism begins to flourish and thus we get the Cold War for several decades.

01:07:34.000 I think one of the challenges we face is that individual liberty has weaknesses.

01:07:39.000 We tolerate these authoritarians, these communists, and they exploit.

01:07:44.000 And so, sure, we had a Cold War.

01:07:47.000 We won the Cold War, but I don't think the Cold War is actually over.

01:07:50.000 Sure, the Soviet Union collapsed because their ideology doesn't work.

01:07:53.000 Their plans make no sense. 0.99

01:07:54.000 They have to kill people to support it.

01:07:56.000 But so long as there are zealots who are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want, We potentially walk the path towards that corruption as

01:08:03.000 well.

01:08:04.000 Certainly, countries became the way they were.

01:08:07.000 It's gonna require everybody to be constantly paying attention and

01:08:09.000 fighting back, otherwise we end up like those countries.

01:08:12.000 Well, ideological subversion is a huge part of communist tactics.

01:08:17.000 Chinese Communist Party does it all the time.

01:08:21.000 They learn from the Soviet Union and enhance things.

01:08:23.000 There's hardly a US official who hasn't at some point been offered a trip to China.

01:08:29.000 Or Chinese money gets into all kinds of places.

01:08:33.000 And that's just, we're talking about the Chinese Communist Party.

01:08:38.000 The reality is that there are many different factions to this broad concept

01:08:43.000 of communism.

01:08:44.000 It's really a postmodern thing because it defies being pinned down to a definition.

01:08:52.000 I've spoken to people who are declared communists who are like, oh, I hate what's happening in China.

01:08:59.000 That's awful.

01:09:00.000 They don't see the connections between themselves.

01:09:02.000 I do think there's some kind of blindness in the U.S.

01:09:06.000 about ideology on the left, where there's this kind of idea that there's no such thing as left authoritarianism, where we just pretend not to see it, or the official media or whatever pretend that there's no such thing as left authoritarianism.

01:09:20.000 You know, it's it's like a weird thing.

01:09:23.000 And it it bleeds into like it happened with Antifa, where people were like, oh, it's it's not it's an idea, not an organization.

01:09:30.000 But then it also bleeds into like the China stuff where you have people who are just like, well, no, China is not authoritarian.

01:09:37.000 You know?

01:09:38.000 Yeah.

01:09:38.000 Well, importantly, like you had the Trump administration, particularly Pompeo, bringing up ideology.

01:09:44.000 This is an ideological struggle with China.

01:09:46.000 That is something that the Biden administration is incapable of discussing.

01:09:50.000 It can be competing powers, but the ideology which is critical to this is completely off the table.

01:09:56.000 I think one of the most clever things pulled off by the communist or Marxist or authoritarian left is that they

01:10:05.000 call themselves libertarian left.

01:10:07.000 And we see this expressed in memes.

01:10:09.000 So there's the political compass memes, which I'm sure you've seen the political compass.

01:10:13.000 The quadrant thing.

01:10:14.000 Yeah, are you familiar with the political compass?

01:10:16.000 It's a square and there's four quadrants, and then you have the top left, which is authoritarian, the top right, which is authoritarian, and the bottom, you know, you have left and right that are libertarian.

01:10:27.000 So the libertarian right's easily definable.

01:10:29.000 They're free market capitalists.

01:10:31.000 You know, they're like, you can sell whatever you want to whoever you want, as long as you agree to it.

01:10:35.000 Uh, caveat emptor.

01:10:35.000 Buyer beware.

01:10:37.000 I think that's how you say it.

01:10:39.000 And then you have the authoritarian right, which tends to be ideologically driven, command economies, ultra-traditionalist.

01:10:46.000 And then you have the authoritarian left, which is the tankies, the Soviet Union, etc. 0.51

01:10:51.000 But whenever you look at the memes about the libertarian left, it's Antifa, and it's wokeness.

01:10:57.000 Two authoritarian ideologies.

01:11:00.000 So these people, I think they do it on purpose, it's very clever.

01:11:04.000 You tell someone that if you want to be the freedom-loving libertarian leftist, the good guys, you have to beat people, you have to start fires, and believe in our cult ideology.

01:11:15.000 In reality, if you look at the core of a libertarian system with cooperative economics, it is small tribes, it is small farms working together.

01:11:24.000 That's it.

01:11:26.000 You don't force anyone to do anything.

01:11:27.000 You don't beat them into submission.

01:11:29.000 You don't demand they adhere to an ideology.

01:11:32.000 But if our jokes, if our whole perspective in society is that freedom-loving leftists are the people burning down buildings and cancelling people and threatening them and destroying their lives, there literally is no libertarian left in the United States.

01:11:50.000 So then what's the opposition?

01:11:51.000 What opposes the authoritarians?

01:11:55.000 Not the right.

01:11:56.000 The right are the bad guys.

01:11:59.000 Well, that leaves you with only the right, because there is no opposition from the left.

01:12:03.000 They have abandoned their principles.

01:12:05.000 They are trying to fit in.

01:12:07.000 They're trying to look good.

01:12:09.000 Wokeness is nothing if not the appearance of looking compassionate and friendly.

01:12:13.000 It's nothing if not the appearance of saying, oh, we'll save you.

01:12:16.000 We'll bring in all these immigrants and do all this stuff. 1.00

01:12:19.000 It sounds great.

01:12:20.000 So there's no pushback on it.

01:12:22.000 And there absolutely should be.

01:12:24.000 It's put us in this position.

01:12:25.000 Yeah, it's the tricky thing about Marxism or communism, whatever you want to call this ideology, is that it really takes advantage of the fact that I think most people are good people.

01:12:34.000 They want to help people.

01:12:36.000 They would like to see the world be a more equal, better place.

01:12:40.000 But Marx presented this extremely simplistic view of all of human society.

01:12:46.000 There are only the oppressors and the oppressed.

01:12:49.000 Anything you do as an individual Doesn't matter.

01:12:52.000 You are either in the oppressed or the oppressors.

01:12:55.000 To create a better world, obviously, you need to get rid of the oppressors.

01:13:01.000 They're not going to want to be kicked out.

01:13:03.000 Therefore, you have to kick them out.

01:13:06.000 You know, we need a critical conservative theory.

01:13:09.000 So all the conservatives, here you go.

01:13:12.000 Critical theory was, you know, the Marxists rooted it very much in the Marx ideology of oppressors and oppressed based on class.

01:13:19.000 I was actually just reading some good old critical race theory to better understand what they're talking about and Kimberly Crenshaw wrote that they coined the phrase critical race theory on purpose so that people understood it came from the Marxist framework of critical theory, but Critical theory and Marxism didn't understand American racism.

01:13:38.000 So they needed to take his philosophy of oppressed and oppressor and apply it to racial politics in the United States.

01:13:44.000 So we'll do the same thing now and we'll create critical political theory.

01:13:48.000 And it states that if you are a liberal, you're an oppressor.

01:13:52.000 And if you're a conservative, you're oppressed.

01:13:54.000 There you go, guys.

01:13:54.000 That one's free.

01:13:55.000 Feel free to claim that you're now victims.

01:13:57.000 Yes.

01:13:58.000 There you go.

01:13:58.000 The problem is it won't work.

01:14:01.000 Because the whole point of Marxism is to create struggle.

01:14:06.000 And it divides people into different groups, makes them struggle, and those groups divide up into more groups, and they fight and fight, et cetera, et cetera, intersectionality.

01:14:15.000 I don't think it can be solved by people fighting each other.

01:14:20.000 People need to develop compassion.

01:14:24.000 Because, you know, any time you're arguing with people on the internet is a nightmare and no one should ever do it.

01:14:32.000 I speak from experience.

01:14:33.000 Pretty much.

01:14:34.000 But when you're actually face-to-face with someone, it comes down to basically like, you know, if somebody feels like they're being attacked, even if you are completely wrong, if you feel like you're being attacked, you will either respond in three ways.

01:14:47.000 Fight, flight, or paralysis.

01:14:50.000 And so if somebody feels like they're being attacked, that's what's going to happen.

01:14:53.000 You have to make connections with people based on, like, our common humanity, because that is the antithesis of Marxism, that we have a shared common humanity.

01:15:05.000 There are objective truths.

01:15:09.000 It seems like the philosophy of Marxism is just a tactic for destroying a system to steal power.

01:15:16.000 You know, I made the point the other day, like a lot of people say, oh, communism has never worked.

01:15:20.000 That's not true.

01:15:21.000 Communism has worked Everywhere it's been tried because the point of communism is to create death and destruction.

01:15:28.000 It's designed to destroy a society.

01:15:30.000 Yeah.

01:15:31.000 They just pretend it's about helping you and making the world a better place, but it's actually about how can I empower myself?

01:15:38.000 And I experienced this with Occupy Wall Street.

01:15:41.000 The activists literally said, you know, they would say we want to flip the pyramid over.

01:15:45.000 Now, to the untrained, flipping the pyramid over implies the working class will now be on top, and the capital will be forced to be on the bottom. 0.77

01:15:54.000 What it really means, and this is what I asked, if you flip a pyramid over, the bricks crumble into a disheveled pile, with only one of those bricks from the working class sitting on top, and that'll be us. 0.95

01:16:04.000 And where will the gold live?

01:16:06.000 The gold?

01:16:08.000 In the bellies of the people they possess?

01:16:11.000 So this social justice stuff is very much a Trojan horse, which is probably something that you noticed, Yanmi, when you were at Columbia, was that this guise of compassion and kindness.

01:16:22.000 How did they couch it to you when you were first learning about social justice at your school?

01:16:27.000 Did they present it as something highly positive, or did they force you to do this stuff?

01:16:31.000 It wasn't just, so I remember at the orientation, right?

01:16:34.000 And then she was like, instructor came, so who likes like Jane Austen?

01:16:39.000 I was like, yeah, me, right?

01:16:41.000 Right, yeah.

01:16:42.000 And because I didn't have love, I love reading about romance books.

01:16:46.000 And then like, do you know this world colonial mindset bigots, racists. 0.52

01:16:52.000 So even when you think you don't know, you're just reading a classic, you're being subconsciously brainwashed by this white supremacist. 0.98

01:16:52.000 Wow. 0.98

01:17:01.000 So this is how you gotta be aware, how you can get pretty much every day.

01:17:05.000 I'm like, wow.

01:17:08.000 Did you speak up and say, hey, actually, I'm from North Korea and... I did, I did.

01:17:12.000 So before the class, in the class, right, there's like a Western Civilization, Music and Art in Columbia, you have to take in a core curriculum.

01:17:20.000 And then professor's like, who has a problem studying Western Civilization, like the music?

01:17:25.000 And everybody like raising their hands.

01:17:27.000 And they said, because of this white man killed all minority and silenced women, we have to now study this Beethoven and Mozart's Bigots. 0.84

01:17:37.000 Wow. 0.92

01:17:39.000 It's oppressed or oppressor.

01:17:41.000 Like, this is musicians.

01:17:43.000 So, like that critical race theory.

01:17:46.000 Every single thing, they find a connection.

01:17:48.000 Somehow.

01:17:49.000 It's so smart.

01:17:50.000 They are so, so creative to look at the problem that way.

01:17:54.000 Isn't it?

01:17:55.000 It's oppressed or oppressor.

01:17:56.000 Mozart.

01:17:57.000 Oppressor.

01:17:58.000 binary. They're now saying Beethoven was black though. He wasn't. But they're actually now

01:18:05.000 arguing that because of white supremacy Beethoven couldn't actually be marketed as a black man so

01:18:11.000 they had to change his race. No joke. Wow. They're they're they uh 0.73

01:18:16.000 There was this big thing where they started claiming that a black man invented the light bulb and that Thomas Edison just took credit for it.

01:18:22.000 Thomas Edison was not a cool dude, don't get me wrong.

01:18:25.000 But I think the actual story was that a black man who worked for Thomas Edison developed a special filament.

01:18:31.000 Yeah.

01:18:32.000 But historical revisionism is very, very important, right?

01:18:35.000 They need to get to the point where they can tell us that there is this individual who is God and that you have to believe it or else.

01:18:43.000 They need to get to the point where people can't defend themselves, will stop resisting, and will just give up.

01:18:48.000 So every day that people challenge the system and say no is a bad day for this machine.

01:18:54.000 But I also will say...

01:18:56.000 At least for now.

01:18:57.000 I don't think there is a grand architect or conspiracy or group that are trying to make it happen.

01:19:03.000 I think you could argue there's a conspiracy in the sense that a bunch of people who have a worldview rooted in this don't realize they're destroying everything around them.

01:19:10.000 Some people for sure know they're lying, cheating and stealing.

01:19:14.000 But it feels like dominoes falling over.

01:19:16.000 You know, Joe Biden doesn't seem to be all with it.

01:19:18.000 But he hears what people are saying, critical race theory is good, and he goes, okay.

01:19:21.000 Mark Milley, the general, he has no idea what he's talking about.

01:19:25.000 He goes, I just want to understand white rage, and it's like, bro, that's insane. 1.00

01:19:29.000 You're believing garbage. 1.00

01:19:31.000 More and more people believe it. 1.00

01:19:32.000 It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

01:19:35.000 Yeah, I think this is where the beautiful language stuff comes in, because if you, you know, people call people useful idiots, kind of, but it's kind of more like most of them are well-meaning innocents, I've heard that term, where like, really they're just, you know, they, they want to be better people, like you were saying, Chris, and they want to, but like the beautiful language really Just, it kind of pulls the wool over the eyes of a lot of people, and it's on purpose.

01:20:00.000 You see this in every communist society where, I mean, in China, they just came out with a white paper, the Communist Party, about, you know, how the Communist Party in China has led human rights for a hundred years.

01:20:13.000 They've been the leader of human rights.

01:20:16.000 Uh, you know, because we've, you know, like this is the time where like they killed 80 million people.

01:20:20.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 But they're like, yeah, no, we've definitely, you know, they redefine human rights.

01:20:25.000 They say, you know, we talk about the universal, universality of human rights within the context of each country.

01:20:32.000 So they're already saying human rights are universal, but we're going to change what this means, human rights.

01:20:37.000 And then they go, we believe that human rights are subsistence, development, and contentment.

01:20:45.000 And therefore, these are like the metrics that we're using to say that we've, you know, we've lifted so many million people out of poverty, you know, we are the leader in human rights.

01:20:56.000 But it's even absurd, even if you use that standard, because they killed and starved and like 80 million people.

01:21:03.000 Yeah.

01:21:03.000 So, but like, they're able to kind of take this term that sounds great, human rights, that everybody's like, these are universal.

01:21:09.000 You know, the UN says human rights are universal.

01:21:11.000 And then they can, can come and like, twist that to mean something else, and then make themselves look good.

01:21:18.000 That is so interesting to me that they call it the beautiful language because this is exactly what they're doing in the U.S.

01:21:24.000 They're changing these terms and this is why I brought up the topic of definitions yesterday.

01:21:29.000 When you're going into a debate, you lay out your definitions before you even get started.

01:21:33.000 Nothing proceeds until you know exactly where everyone stands and where everything is lined up.

01:21:38.000 And this is why they won't define.

01:21:40.000 This is why postmodernism is so dangerous.

01:21:43.000 It's because they defy definition.

01:21:45.000 It's one of their stronger points.

01:21:47.000 It's basically what makes postmodernism what it is.

01:21:49.000 It gives them this lability to kind of change the way you perceive the world.

01:21:54.000 And when you're arguing with them, oh, well, I didn't mean that.

01:21:56.000 That doesn't mean that anymore.

01:21:58.000 That used to mean that.

01:21:59.000 It's evolved.

01:22:00.000 Critical race theory.

01:22:01.000 Christopher Ruffo goes on Joy Reid's show on MSNBC and says critical race theory is rooted in Marxism.

01:22:01.000 Yes.

01:22:07.000 And she goes, no, it isn't.

01:22:08.000 And he's like, intersectionality is rooted in critical race theory.

01:22:12.000 No, it's not.

01:22:13.000 This author is a critical race theorist.

01:22:15.000 No, she isn't.

01:22:16.000 And everything he said was true and verifiable.

01:22:19.000 But they changed the definitions.

01:22:21.000 She goes, Robin DiAngelo isn't a critical race theorist.

01:22:25.000 She's a critical white studies author.

01:22:28.000 Of course, critical white studies is a component of critical race theory.

01:22:31.000 They just try and make it as confusing as possible so you can never criticize them.

01:22:36.000 It's all semantics.

01:22:37.000 I mean, it is like Orwell wrote in 1984.

01:22:39.000 It's like you lose a language to describe objective reality, and it drives you crazy.

01:22:45.000 Right.

01:22:46.000 And that's, I mean, like, that's really destructive.

01:22:48.000 I know.

01:22:49.000 I think this is when I'm shocked something.

01:22:51.000 I think it's defectors in the beginning having a hard time.

01:22:54.000 Because in North Korea, words, like, it doesn't mean anything.

01:22:59.000 I mean, like, right?

01:23:00.000 Like, no words.

01:23:02.000 Like, words mean nothing.

01:23:04.000 It's in TV, like, say, oh, maybe we live in the socialist paradise, blah, blah, blah.

01:23:09.000 I mean, there's never a bad news, right?

01:23:11.000 So everything that you study in school is not really relevant to your actual life.

01:23:16.000 When I came here, I was so shocked how seriously the words meant to people.

01:23:23.000 And I don't know, it's so insane.

01:23:26.000 I don't know how they did that in North Korea.

01:23:28.000 I mean, it's kind of the way that a communist regime destroys society in a certain sense, because you destroy the meaning of language so everybody's a liar. 0.51

01:23:38.000 You have to be a liar all the time for your survival.

01:23:42.000 And then there's nothing, right? 0.62

01:23:44.000 Well, you made a Stargate reference earlier.

01:23:46.000 Yes, I did.

01:23:47.000 SG-1, though.

01:23:49.000 So in the movie, they go to this other planet through the Stargate portal, and when they try and write on the ground, the slaves there freak out, like, writing is forbidden, what are you doing?

01:24:02.000 And they're like, we're trying to convey an idea to you, and it's like, you can't do that.

01:24:06.000 And it's because when people have the ability to communicate, they become dangerous.

01:24:11.000 They share ideas.

01:24:12.000 They become more knowledgeable.

01:24:14.000 They start to understand.

01:24:15.000 The collective computational power of a large group of people is a lot.

01:24:19.000 So to keep people oppressed, you must limit their ability to understand reality and share those ideas.

01:24:24.000 Well, this is why I think the United States of America has always been the greatest enemy to communism.

01:24:30.000 You know, it states, we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that there is this, I mean, they called it like nature or the creator that gives people inalienable rights.

01:24:44.000 This is different from most other countries, that you don't have freedom of speech or freedom of

01:24:50.000 religion because the government grants you that.

01:24:53.000 You have it because you're human.

01:24:55.000 You have this because something beyond human understanding has made it an innate part of your existence.

01:25:01.000 And that creates an objective reality that is the opposite of communism,

01:25:09.000 like Shelley was talking about with human rights in China.

01:25:12.000 What they're saying is we have our definition of human rights,

01:25:14.000 you have your definitions of human rights.

01:25:16.000 Don't enforce your values, don't push your values on us.

01:25:20.000 And then you get lost in all these word games.

01:25:24.000 But if you just zoom out, and what the Chinese Communist Party is doing to the Uyghurs

01:25:30.000 is evil.

01:25:31.000 What it's doing to Falun Gong is evil.

01:25:33.000 What it's doing to all the Chinese people is evil. 1.00

01:25:36.000 That is objective truth.

01:25:37.000 Thank you.

01:25:38.000 The one thing that greatly benefits China in the international conflict where we're trying to convince people who's right and who's wrong is the narrative of Black Lives Matter in the United States about some grand institutionalized racism where they come out and say look what you're doing to these minorities and it's all exaggerated or extreme or at the very least they hyper focus on some stories and make it seem like the whole of the country is racist or broken I mean, that's what Chinese propaganda has been doing about the U.S. 0.83

01:26:02.000 for years.

01:26:04.000 Every day, there's a 30-minute Chinese news show that plays on every channel, right?

01:26:11.000 And, like, it's always, whenever they talk about America, it's always about how dangerous and violent and racist and whatever, how bad it is.

01:26:20.000 And so this stuff about critical race theory is kind of just like, it's exactly the same thing.

01:26:26.000 And they are so happy.

01:26:28.000 The Chinese Communist Party, like, loves this.

01:26:29.000 They use it all the time.

01:26:31.000 Like, they can just say, oh, well, you can't criticize us for Wuhan, the lab leak or coronavirus.

01:26:37.000 I mean, they won't admit it's a lab leak.

01:26:38.000 But, you know, you say that it's racist.

01:26:41.000 There was an incident that happened in the UN last week where Canada was about to bring up that there should be an investigation into the Uyghur genocide and the Chinese representative stood up and was like, preemptively said, actually there needs to be an investigation to Canada for what happened to the indigenous children.

01:27:00.000 You know, like he just like right before the Canadian official was going to say something just came up and Classic Communist Party move. 0.76

01:27:09.000 Yeah.

01:27:10.000 So yeah, they love this.

01:27:11.000 You know, it's funny, there's this, it's like a joke idea.

01:27:15.000 What if we are actually in North Korea?

01:27:19.000 Not like literally the physical space, like what if people in America are the ones who think they're so smart and think they know the world, but it's all propaganda, it's all manipulation, it's all controlled.

01:27:29.000 And then actually in these other countries, they have spaceships and they have, you know, a hundred years more advanced technology.

01:27:35.000 The idea is that for a lot of people, you just believe what the TV tells you, you just believe what the newspapers tell you.

01:27:40.000 I suppose the difference is in the United States, we have these kinds of conversations that challenge our own understanding of the world.

01:27:45.000 We also have freedom of movement so we can go to these other countries or meet people from these countries.

01:27:50.000 You can't though.

01:27:51.000 You can go to a lot of countries, but there are some countries you can't go to.

01:27:54.000 American passport will not get you in.

01:27:56.000 I have to take your word for it, and you might be CIA.

01:27:59.000 See?

01:27:59.000 I have to take your word for it, and you might be CIA.

01:28:03.000 See?

01:28:03.000 That proves it.

01:28:04.000 I know.

01:28:05.000 Yeah, me too.

01:28:05.000 Mom kid.

01:28:07.000 But there are a lot of countries you can't get into.

01:28:09.000 No, I think it's a funny idea, but the fact that you can even mention this idea that our government does lie to us.

01:28:15.000 Of course they lie to us.

01:28:16.000 There's classified information. 0.73

01:28:17.000 They have to lie in some circumstances, but they lie when they shouldn't, and there's a lot of people who are corrupt.

01:28:21.000 But then our media lies to us all the time as well.

01:28:24.000 I do think it's funny when we talk about the things China is doing.

01:28:28.000 And, you know, you mentioned that China's got this program where they say all these things about the United States.

01:28:32.000 We got the same thing, sort of, right?

01:28:34.000 We've got these corporate American deep state whatever media that just say whatever the establishment wants them to say.

01:28:42.000 Granted, we also have the internet with some free speech still available to the rest of us, but more so than many of these other countries.

01:28:51.000 I mean, the great thing for China is that the American corporate media is saying the same thing as the Chinese propaganda, especially during the entire coronavirus.

01:29:00.000 Yeah, that's solid.

01:29:03.000 They did for China. 0.94

01:29:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:05.000 And YouTube saying you can't speak out against the World Health Organization.

01:29:08.000 What they say is law.

01:29:11.000 Don't say anything that contradicts them.

01:29:13.000 Well, even worse, this is something we covered recently, like a lot of these medical journals early on that were saying, you know, it's lab leak hypothesis, complete conspiracy theory.

01:29:24.000 Not only were they quoting scientists like Dr. Peter Daszak, who was working with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China is giving money to some of the biggest medical journals in the world.

01:29:35.000 Lancet and Springer Nature, right?

01:29:37.000 Yeah, Springer Nature and Elsevier, which is the parent company of Lancet.

01:29:42.000 They get a lot of money from China to publish open access journals.

01:29:45.000 So somebody estimated that Springer Nature's deal with China is worth like $10 million a year.

01:29:52.000 I think it's much worse than anybody realizes.

01:29:55.000 Let me explain to you guys how easy it is to control the American narrative, especially with something like YouTube.

01:30:01.000 YouTube is one of the greatest vehicles for political propaganda ever created.

01:30:04.000 Let's say you're China. 0.95

01:30:06.000 You want the American public to believe your lies and your propaganda.

01:30:10.000 It's simple.

01:30:11.000 Take a large portion of your money and then buy ads on the YouTube channels that say the things that you like.

01:30:20.000 It's that simple.

01:30:21.000 What ends up happening is YouTube sees that, oh advertisers really love these particular YouTubers.

01:30:27.000 They generate a ton of ad revenue.

01:30:28.000 Prop them up.

01:30:29.000 Boost them in the algorithm.

01:30:31.000 They get prominent positioning.

01:30:33.000 They get more and more views.

01:30:34.000 They become wealthy and successful.

01:30:36.000 They hire people and expand their companies.

01:30:38.000 It's that simple.

01:30:39.000 There's no way to track it.

01:30:40.000 Unless Google was audited and forced to reveal where the money is coming through.

01:30:44.000 But it's very, it works in any capacity.

01:30:47.000 Any individual can run any video as an ad, and anybody can buy an advertisement and choose to run it on a specific channel.

01:30:55.000 So if you find somebody who's producing a show called, like, China, you know, a YouTube channel called Why China is Right, and every day they do an hour video where, as an American, they're like, this is lies and propaganda, China is great, Some political actor might not be able to physically fund that without an ad appearing.

01:31:13.000 YouTube will say, this is Chinese-sponsored.

01:31:16.000 But the Chinese government could put money into a company which then advertises sneakers.

01:31:21.000 And they say, we want to run all of these ads for sneakers on this channel.

01:31:25.000 On this China is Right. 0.88

01:31:26.000 On this China is Right channel.

01:31:27.000 And you think this China is Right channel would make a lot of money?

01:31:31.000 It makes a lot of money because they're giving the money to the creator and to Google.

01:31:33.000 Google doesn't care.

01:31:36.000 So think about it, right?

01:31:38.000 If you guys have a YouTube channel, the US government could be secretly putting money into Google and you would never know.

01:31:43.000 As an individual, you would not know.

01:31:46.000 Because Google just says, hey, here's how much money you made in ads and you have no idea where the ads came from or what the ads are for.

01:31:51.000 I have people, they mention to me, like, oh, I got a Bloomberg ad on your video once.

01:31:55.000 This is back during the election or whatever, primaries.

01:31:57.000 And I'm like, good, I rag on the guy all the time, so if he's paying me to rag on him, it's understandable that he wants to try and counter that narrative, but I don't think you guys buy it, right?

01:32:04.000 I think my audience is smart enough to realize the dude's full of it and he's buying political ads, and I'll take his money.

01:32:09.000 But what if it's more insidious than that?

01:32:12.000 What if it's a company for air conditioners?

01:32:16.000 Every ad spot that you have, so there's ad inventory.

01:32:19.000 Your video could be a certain amount of minutes, maybe it's 15 minutes, and a YouTube ad can appear every certain amount of minutes, and algorithmically they restrict how many ads can appear.

01:32:29.000 Not every video sells every possible ad space.

01:32:33.000 But what if you were China? 0.56

01:32:36.000 You saw a YouTuber who was constantly saying things good about you.

01:32:40.000 You could indirectly make sure every single available ad on that channel was paid for, and that YouTuber is now making tons of money, successful, and driven to produce more of the content they're doing because it works.

01:32:53.000 China's doing it simpler. 0.73

01:32:54.000 They're just directly paying some YouTubers.

01:32:57.000 And I don't think those YouTubers have a state-sponsored... No.

01:33:02.000 There are a bunch of white, pro-China YouTubers suddenly who are going to Xinjiang and walking around saying, there's no genocide here!

01:33:11.000 Wow.

01:33:11.000 Look at this cotton field.

01:33:12.000 Where's the genocide?

01:33:13.000 There was this really creepy moment where China was asking people to upload a video to their YouTube channels, where it was a guy complaining about a Falun Gong show in New York City.

01:33:26.000 They were like, I think it was Falun Gong.

01:33:28.000 I'm not sure.

01:33:29.000 It was some like theater show.

01:33:32.000 And he was like, this is wrong and creepy.

01:33:35.000 Why is this religious organization being allowed to put on this show? 1.00

01:33:39.000 And you'd get an email and they were like, we'll give you $200 to upload this to your channel right now.

01:33:45.000 Oh yeah, I heard about this.

01:33:46.000 Yeah.

01:33:47.000 Yeah, that's super weird.

01:33:49.000 Yeah, I think it's against the rules, but maybe not.

01:33:52.000 Maybe not.

01:33:53.000 Do you guys feel like this is capitalism defeating itself?

01:33:57.000 Like the fact that people are being able to monetize this money that's available to weaponize information against the way that the West has become powerful?

01:34:07.000 That's kind of what I've been thinking.

01:34:11.000 This might be kind of a tangential answer to that question, but I don't believe in capitalism.

01:34:18.000 I think that's a Marxist kind of construct, a binary.

01:34:22.000 You have communism or you have capitalism.

01:34:25.000 And that's not really true.

01:34:26.000 It's like you have freedom to engage in the economy.

01:34:31.000 It's not capitalism, it's freedom.

01:34:33.000 Yeah, capitalism existed as like the normal human mode of trade and economics and then Marx kind of gave a name to it.

01:34:42.000 Right, right.

01:34:43.000 It was just enterprise.

01:34:45.000 And while also ignoring that, you know, there were other systems like mercantilism or subsistence farming.

01:34:50.000 It just blames all the problems in history on capitalism. 0.98

01:34:53.000 That guy was nuts. 1.00

01:34:54.000 What a crazy dude. 1.00

01:34:55.000 I hear he smelled bad, too. 1.00

01:34:57.000 I heard he was racist. 0.99

01:34:58.000 He should be cancelled for his racism. 0.94

01:35:00.000 He actually was kind of racist, right? 0.90

01:35:02.000 He really was, yeah.

01:35:03.000 Alright, well, we should take Super Chats.

01:35:05.000 If you haven't already, give us a like, hit that like button, subscribe to the channel, and share the show if you think these conversations are important.

01:35:12.000 We're definitely gonna have more like it.

01:35:14.000 And now, there's a lot of questions because this is like one of the more serious, you know, shows that we've done.

01:35:19.000 Yeah.

01:35:19.000 All right.

01:35:20.000 Arduick says, it's about time Tim gets a real Korean on his show. 1.00

01:35:23.000 Joking, joking.

01:35:24.000 Love you both.

01:35:25.000 Hi, Yeonmi.

01:35:26.000 Hi.

01:35:29.000 All right.

01:35:30.000 I think they want more Stargate references.

01:35:31.000 I think so.

01:35:31.000 Yeah, that's what I was thinking there.

01:35:32.000 I've been watching a lot of SD1.

01:35:34.000 Yeah, me too.

01:35:34.000 I love that show.

01:35:35.000 It's fantastic.

01:35:35.000 Yeah, big fan.

01:35:36.000 Oh, yeah?

01:35:37.000 You guys, you've all been watching it?

01:35:38.000 Yeah.

01:35:39.000 Yeah, I missed it when it was on, so I've been going through it on Netflix.

01:35:39.000 Really?

01:35:42.000 Oh, really?

01:35:42.000 And now I'm, like, on the sixth season.

01:35:43.000 It's fantastic.

01:35:44.000 I think I'm on season three.

01:35:45.000 The one with Dom DeLuise is the best.

01:35:47.000 Don't spoil it for me.

01:35:48.000 Okay.

01:35:49.000 I think I'm on season three, but I think I started with season two, so I need to, like, stop and go back and make sure I watch, but heaven a blast.

01:35:56.000 All right, Mark Guidetti says, Yanmi is such an inspiring human being.

01:36:04.000 Tim, it's surprising it took this long to have her as a guest.

01:36:07.000 Well, you know, we have to do it.

01:36:09.000 Thank you.

01:36:11.000 Garhent says, Chris and Shelley love your show.

01:36:13.000 Can you talk about your Uyghur teacher who escaped interview?

01:36:18.000 And then they said, Yanmi is the hottest Korean in America.

01:36:20.000 Sorry, Tim.

01:36:23.000 Yikes.

01:36:25.000 I think he's talking about the guy we interviewed who he tried to start a kindergarten.

01:36:30.000 Oh, him?

01:36:31.000 Yeah.

01:36:32.000 And he tried to start a kindergarten and was put in prison for it because he wanted to teach the Uyghur language in this kindergarten.

01:36:39.000 And the most interesting thing I think that came out of our conversation, he was also raped when he was put in this like prison camp.

01:36:45.000 That's standard for everyone. 0.91

01:36:47.000 It's just, he said it's just a matter of how much you can rape. 0.99

01:36:50.000 He was like a little raped. 0.99

01:36:51.000 He was raped only once or twice. 0.97

01:36:53.000 I think that was kind of how he put it.

01:36:55.000 But like, he talked about how, you know, even growing up as a Uyghur in China, he had this idea that like, it was kind of a misunderstanding.

01:37:05.000 that if the Chinese Communist Party just really understood what was happening with the Uyghurs,

01:37:05.000 Hmm.

01:37:10.000 like on the ground, then there wouldn't be so much repression, you know?

01:37:14.000 Like he just kind of thought it was a misunderstanding.

01:37:16.000 And this is something we've heard from multiple Chinese dissidents,

01:37:20.000 or people who've been in prison for their beliefs, or whatever, that like they thought it was just like,

01:37:25.000 because they grew up in this environment where they're taught, like even if you try to resist

01:37:29.000 the brainwashing, if you're a dissident, you're a pretty stubborn person, right?

01:37:33.000 You're a pretty stubborn, opinionated person.

01:37:35.000 But even people who were like able to dissent from an authoritarian system, they had that part of them that was kind of a little bit in disbelief that it would actually get so bad.

01:37:44.000 Like he didn't think he was going to go to prison for starting a kindergarten.

01:37:48.000 Right? Yeah.

01:37:49.000 And that's the recent student protests.

01:37:52.000 They had a legitimate complaint about the government taking private schools and blending 1.00

01:37:57.000 them with vocational schools, kind of watering down their degrees.

01:38:01.000 They protested.

01:38:02.000 I don't think they knew that they were protesting on the anniversary of June 4th, the Tiananmen

01:38:06.000 Square Massacre.

01:38:07.000 Wow.

01:38:08.000 Because they didn't know.

01:38:09.000 They didn't know.

01:38:10.000 Probably not.

01:38:11.000 Yeah.

01:38:12.000 And yeah, so I'm sure to them, it's, I think what always happens is it's like, oh, this

01:38:13.000 is an obviously reasonable thing.

01:38:16.000 Obviously the party is reasonable.

01:38:18.000 Nope.

01:38:19.000 Nope.

01:38:20.000 It's not.

01:38:20.000 And actually, this was something, this was a really good point for understanding China

01:38:25.000 that another Chinese YouTuber, Laowai86, Cmilk, mentioned.

01:38:31.000 I thought this was really, really clever.

01:38:33.000 When people, like the Communist Party says, like, you know, people in China have huge

01:38:37.000 approval ratings of the Communist Party.

01:38:40.000 And now there's all the propaganda to, you know, whatever.

01:38:42.000 But I think, but he said part of it is essentially true that when people think of the Communist

01:38:47.000 Party and the Communist Party alike, they think of the big, faraway central government,

01:38:52.000 the main ideas.

01:38:53.000 But if you ask people about their local years, the Communist Party having a direct impact

01:38:57.000 on their lives.

01:38:58.000 That's when they're like, oh, we hate the local officials.

01:39:02.000 It's separated in their minds.

01:39:03.000 Yes.

01:39:04.000 Patty B says, I used to think Agent Smith was a bad guy, but watching China Uncensored changed my mind.

01:39:04.000 All right.

01:39:10.000 Thanks, China Uncensored, for your work exposing the CCP.

01:39:13.000 It's especially important for my country, Australia.

01:39:16.000 Graphene for life.

01:39:17.000 Ian is not here today, though.

01:39:17.000 Yes.

01:39:19.000 Thank you.

01:39:21.000 Bub Savvy says, repeat after me, I trust the government.

01:39:23.000 They will not take my wealth, but the wealth of those I choose.

01:39:26.000 Wealth that once distributed will reflect on society my virtues.

01:39:30.000 I repeat with confidence, I trust the government.

01:39:32.000 Indeed.

01:39:33.000 Yeah, I don't know about that one.

01:39:34.000 That'll work.

01:39:38.000 All right, what is this?

01:39:39.000 What is this?

01:39:40.000 El Rojo Grande says, Hey Tim, PSA just released a limited edition AR-15 lower in response to Biden's comments on defense from a tyrannical government.

01:39:49.000 The Tyranny 15, safety selection has freedom, F-15 and nukes engraving. 0.69

01:39:53.000 Very cool.

01:39:54.000 Yeah, Joe Biden.

01:39:56.000 I made the joke on Twitter that I'm sure King George III said, you doth think that I would succeed in battle against the crown?

01:40:05.000 Because they don't really talk that way, I know.

01:40:07.000 You would need cavalry and frigates.

01:40:09.000 Yeah, this idea that Joe Biden basically said, if we're a repressive government,

01:40:14.000 don't even bother.

01:40:16.000 That's what it sounded like he was saying.

01:40:17.000 It's the craziest thing.

01:40:18.000 Yeah, it was also a reference a quote from Thomas Jefferson, which is funny

01:40:23.000 for him to kind of disparage.

01:40:25.000 Okay, let's see what we got.

01:40:29.000 Thank you.

01:40:30.000 Tom Holland says, Hey Tim and crew, 25 year old brain cancer survivor.

01:40:35.000 Can be secretary, whatever you guys need.

01:40:36.000 Minimal pay.

01:40:37.000 I love what you guys do.

01:40:38.000 Feel free to send an email over to jobs at TimCast.com.

01:40:42.000 Yeah.

01:40:43.000 All right.

01:40:44.000 Jay Vance 131 says, I love Yeonmi Park.

01:40:47.000 Please let her know that all of us in America support her and we will always protect her.

01:40:51.000 She is an amazing and very brave woman.

01:40:52.000 That is true.

01:40:53.000 Thank you.

01:40:56.000 Chuck Norris Gun Club says send her to Congress! 1.00

01:40:59.000 Have you testified to Congress before?

01:40:59.000 Yes!

01:41:01.000 Any issues?

01:41:02.000 I think that would be very important.

01:41:03.000 How do we make that happen?

01:41:05.000 I don't know.

01:41:06.000 People should find the appropriate Republican who has the gall to challenge wokeism and wokeness and bring on someone who's had experience.

01:41:15.000 Josh Hawley.

01:41:15.000 Who would that be?

01:41:16.000 Santus?

01:41:17.000 Massie?

01:41:18.000 Rubio?

01:41:20.000 Maybe.

01:41:21.000 I think Hawley would do it.

01:41:21.000 Maybe.

01:41:22.000 I think Cruz.

01:41:23.000 Ted Cruz.

01:41:23.000 Cruz would do it.

01:41:24.000 He wrote a letter about this and he introduced a bill to ban critical race theory.

01:41:26.000 So Ted Cruz, are you listening?

01:41:27.000 Yeah.

01:41:28.000 Definitely should have Yummy Park testify about what these communists do. 0.99

01:41:31.000 And that lady from Virginia. 1.00

01:41:33.000 The lady from Virginia?

01:41:34.000 Yeah, the lady who escaped Maoist China.

01:41:35.000 Oh, oh, oh.

01:41:37.000 I'm like, I thought you were referring to a politician.

01:41:38.000 No, no, no, no.

01:41:39.000 Not from Virginia, no way.

01:41:42.000 Hey, Loudoun County's doing all right.

01:41:43.000 That's where that lady was. 1.00

01:41:43.000 I know, yeah. 1.00

01:41:46.000 Final Y, uh, Final Ixer, or Yixer, I'm not sure.

01:41:50.000 He says, uh, her story is literally heartbreaking.

01:41:53.000 I always knew North Korea was bad, but this is crazy.

01:41:55.000 Yeah, the story about no love.

01:41:57.000 Like, that is dark.

01:41:59.000 Wow.

01:41:59.000 That's so sad.

01:42:03.000 Fob Joe says most of us know Tim's opinion about Trump crossing the DMZ, but Yanmi has a contrasting opinion. I'd

01:42:08.000 love for you two to have a discussion about it.

01:42:10.000 Uh, well that super chat was actually before I think we did bring it up.

01:42:13.000 Yeah, because for me it was kind of like... Trump took a big risk doing it.

01:42:18.000 But I certainly think he ended up not getting much from it.

01:42:22.000 Yeah.

01:42:23.000 Rockslide says I had to donate today to say that you are a hero, Yanmi.

01:42:29.000 Hearing your story shook me to my core, and in this world, not much does that anymore.

01:42:33.000 You are a glowing reminder why this fight is so important.

01:42:35.000 Amen!

01:42:36.000 Oh, thank you.

01:42:37.000 That's the nicest thing I've ever heard.

01:42:38.000 I mean, I became big after the Fox News thing.

01:42:41.000 And they were like, actually my personal friends reaching out to me.

01:42:46.000 I'm concerned about you.

01:42:48.000 Why are you doing this?

01:42:49.000 Why are you being like, oh.

01:42:50.000 Why are you being used by Sean Hannity? 1.00

01:42:54.000 He's a liar. 1.00

01:42:54.000 He's a propagandist. 1.00

01:42:56.000 Why do you have to share that on Fox News?

01:42:58.000 And I was like, they were the only one who was interested in listening to me.

01:43:01.000 If the New York Times calls me, I'm going to do an interview with them and share my views.

01:43:07.000 And they're like, OK.

01:43:08.000 But the New York Times didn't call you?

01:43:10.000 OK, no.

01:43:10.000 But they're communists.

01:43:13.000 Not literally, but there is this ideological element taking over these industries.

01:43:17.000 But it was interesting, when I was criticizing Trump, New York Times loved me.

01:43:22.000 Of course they did!

01:43:23.000 Yeah.

01:43:23.000 So, whenever I defeat their narrative, they use me.

01:43:27.000 So they are the ones actually using you.

01:43:29.000 Interesting.

01:43:31.000 Yeah.

01:43:32.000 I, uh, Mark Robertshaw says, Kim is a goa'uld.

01:43:37.000 What have you done?

01:43:39.000 Why is Stargate all of a sudden becoming relevant?

01:43:42.000 So I used to, I used to quote Star Trek all the time and people were like, Tim, you gotta watch Stargate SG-1.

01:43:46.000 So I was like, I started watching it and I watch it like a couple episodes every day.

01:43:49.000 Now all of a sudden it's not Star Trek anymore, it's Stargate.

01:43:52.000 It's a good show though.

01:43:53.000 Fantastic show.

01:43:54.000 It is really cool, a really cool show.

01:43:56.000 Except for the weird full frontal nudity in the pilot.

01:43:59.000 Oh, boy.

01:44:01.000 Was there?

01:44:01.000 Yeah, I think they were... I didn't see the pilot.

01:44:04.000 It was on Showtime.

01:44:05.000 Yeah, it was gonna be on Showtime.

01:44:07.000 So they were like, oh, this is Showtime.

01:44:08.000 It's like a nude Richard Dean Anderson or something?

01:44:10.000 No, no, no. 0.90

01:44:11.000 It was nude women. 1.00

01:44:13.000 Oh, of course! 0.89

01:44:13.000 Yeah, they know their audience. 0.89

01:44:15.000 Well then.

01:44:16.000 Richard Dean Anderson, if you're watching.

01:44:21.000 He's a great character, though.

01:44:23.000 O'Neal was fantastic.

01:44:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:25.000 Very different from the movie.

01:44:26.000 Alright, Michael Brogan says my question is for Yanni. I noticed that you couldn't laugh at the absurdities of the

01:44:31.000 North Korean regime The concept is foreign to us and Americans. How long did it 0.95

01:44:35.000 take you to get to that point?

01:44:36.000 And is it a normal reaction now?

01:44:38.000 to be Like to laugh at what they do and what they represent

01:44:44.000 suppose I'm not yet The other day I was sharing this meme, right?

01:44:48.000 In North Korea, killing yourself is a crime. 0.92

01:44:52.000 So if someone tried to kill yourself, they are going to execute you. 0.99

01:44:55.000 Oh my gosh. 0.99

01:44:57.000 I saw that one. 1.00

01:44:58.000 You're going to kill yourself anyway. 1.00

01:45:01.000 That is... Still dark? 1.00

01:45:03.000 Very dark.

01:45:04.000 But it's obvious why it's funny.

01:45:06.000 It's a representation of how horribly mismanaged and nonsensical the system is.

01:45:10.000 It's absurd, yeah.

01:45:10.000 And they do not allow any disobedience.

01:45:13.000 Even killing yourself is not up to you.

01:45:15.000 It's up to me as a state.

01:45:17.000 You do not even have that right.

01:45:19.000 In America, people are saying, oh my god, we have so much problem.

01:45:19.000 So that's the thing.

01:45:23.000 We have homeless people.

01:45:24.000 So do you know what happens if you become homeless in North Korea?

01:45:28.000 That's interesting.

01:45:28.000 Yeah.

01:45:29.000 Freedom to fail.

01:45:30.000 Being a homeless is a privilege guys.

01:45:32.000 Like you have that much freedom.

01:45:35.000 And I couldn't believe like these people just, they choose be homeless and that's their freedom.

01:45:41.000 And yeah, in North Korea we don't even have that freedom.

01:45:43.000 There is no gratitude in the US.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, freedom to fail.

01:45:46.000 Yeah, no.

01:45:47.000 Okay.

01:45:52.000 Matthew Lunsford says, thanks for fighting against critical race theory.

01:45:55.000 I'm not a colonizer and my wife isn't depressed.

01:45:58.000 My children shouldn't be taught otherwise.

01:45:59.000 I definitely think one of the biggest weaknesses of critical race theory and these identitarians is mixed race people. 1.00

01:46:08.000 Yeah.

01:46:09.000 Telling, telling a white person they're an oppressor and they're evil.

01:46:11.000 It's like they're literally married to a person of a different race or, or, you know, it could be the man or the woman.

01:46:16.000 And then all of a sudden they just say, Oh, well, you're fetishizing the other person.

01:46:19.000 And it's like, you are seriously insulting love.

01:46:21.000 Like few people who care about each other and love each other.

01:46:24.000 And what does that mean to their kids who can't split their DNA apart and not be a product of your psychotic ideology?

01:46:33.000 Yeah.

01:46:33.000 You can tell I take personal issue with those.

01:46:35.000 Understandably.

01:46:36.000 Yeah.

01:46:37.000 Yeah.

01:46:39.000 Bonker says, nobody really owns land in the U.S.

01:46:41.000 either.

01:46:42.000 Miss a property tax payment and see what happens.

01:46:44.000 The only difference is we can hand our property in the tax department with it down to our family.

01:46:51.000 But can you do that in China?

01:46:52.000 Like the lease you buy, give to a family member, like if you die or something?

01:46:56.000 I mean, it's good for 70 years.

01:46:58.000 So, theoretically, yes.

01:46:58.000 Really?

01:47:01.000 So it's still very different though.

01:47:02.000 But like most people don't actually own even a lease to a land because most property in China is apartments.

01:47:02.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 So, you know, you can own the apartment, but you can't own any of the land associated with it.

01:47:13.000 Interesting.

01:47:15.000 Ji Yong Hwang says, I'm a Korean Canadian from South.

01:47:18.000 I'm quite sure I know more about North Korean history than most North Koreans. 0.98

01:47:22.000 Things always start with a bait.

01:47:23.000 The most prominent one being land redistribution.

01:47:26.000 Oh, definitely.

01:47:27.000 I think that's true though.

01:47:29.000 Do you think that's true that South Koreans probably know more about North Korea than North Koreans?

01:47:33.000 You know more about North Korea than North Koreans know about themselves. 1.00

01:47:37.000 I mean, as I told you, we don't even know.

01:47:40.000 Like, we are isolated.

01:47:41.000 Yeah.

01:47:42.000 So when people say, like, at Columbia, they're like, I'm so oppressed, right?

01:47:46.000 Like, do you know actually when you're oppressed, you don't know you're oppressed?

01:47:50.000 Yeah.

01:47:51.000 I believe it was Harriet Tubman who said, I freed many slaves.

01:47:54.000 I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves. 0.89

01:47:56.000 Yeah.

01:47:57.000 Exactly.

01:47:58.000 Powerful stuff.

01:47:59.000 Grant says, ask Yeonmi about North Korean education and how they combine math with indoctrination.

01:48:05.000 So, yeah, that's a thing.

01:48:07.000 Everything.

01:48:07.000 But other than that, the most important subject you have to learn is the Kim's revolution history.

01:48:13.000 Like, what kind of miracles they do, you know, how much they love their people.

01:48:18.000 If he's a god, if Kim Il-sung was a god, then what's the story of the creation of North Korea?

01:48:24.000 Like, do they believe he just manifested it, or do they believe it was a revolution?

01:48:28.000 No, there was rainbows and singing in the sky.

01:48:31.000 The universe chose him.

01:48:32.000 The light came out, you know, from the mountain.

01:48:35.000 It's a Pink Floyd cover.

01:48:38.000 But they do believe it came from the mountain, right?

01:48:39.000 Back to Daegang?

01:48:40.000 Yeah, back to mountain.

01:48:41.000 And then this is a universe chose him.

01:48:44.000 It's not us.

01:48:47.000 So then he gave us his son.

01:48:49.000 Yeah.

01:48:49.000 But then what's Kim Jong-un?

01:48:51.000 So, they lost a little bit.

01:48:54.000 But they said, like, Kim Jong-un is more like the first grandfather.

01:48:58.000 He came back to serve the people.

01:49:01.000 So they said he actually did plastic surgery to look like his grandfather.

01:49:05.000 Really?

01:49:06.000 Yeah, he acted like grandfather.

01:49:07.000 So to remind people, like, that's how much the dear leader loves you.

01:49:14.000 I have a feeling that there's like at some point you got a bunch of these like North Korean Communist Party members and they're like sitting there like and I just half glazed over.

01:49:22.000 Let's just say Kim Il-sung came back.

01:49:24.000 I don't know.

01:49:25.000 Whatever.

01:49:25.000 They'll believe it.

01:49:26.000 They will believe it.

01:49:27.000 I guess.

01:49:27.000 But you literally get executed.

01:49:29.000 One of the executioners, Kim Jong-un, did somebody better sleep during the meeting.

01:49:33.000 And that afternoon he just got executed.

01:49:35.000 He's a top, top official in the country.

01:49:38.000 Don't they want to leave?

01:49:38.000 Wow.

01:49:41.000 No.

01:49:42.000 Because they know they are loyalties, right?

01:49:46.000 These official guys have hundreds of concubines. 1.00

01:49:50.000 There is no such a concept in North Korea of rape or sexual harassment.

01:49:54.000 Nobody gets persecuted for that.

01:49:56.000 So if an official is walking on the street, I want that girl, bring her. 1.00

01:50:01.000 Nobody persecutes them.

01:50:03.000 This is a horrifying place.

01:50:04.000 So yeah, for these guys, it's their dream.

01:50:07.000 Like, Kim Jong-un has a pleasure squad.

01:50:10.000 They go around the country, every village, every school.

01:50:14.000 They bring these girls, train them, and then make them pleasure squad. 1.00

01:50:18.000 But not only for Kims. 0.98

01:50:20.000 Everybody else.

01:50:21.000 All these tabloids, man.

01:50:22.000 So they have these lust parties while they're preaching communism morals to us.

01:50:28.000 There are a lot of stories that certainly make me understand why people are interventionalists.

01:50:33.000 Yep.

01:50:34.000 Interventionist, is that the right word?

01:50:36.000 I just think, like, when I hear these stories, it's like everyone in America lives a life of privileged ignorance.

01:50:36.000 Yeah.

01:50:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:44.000 And we need to know these things.

01:50:46.000 We need to know how good we have it.

01:50:47.000 I think it's one of the problems we're facing.

01:50:49.000 A lot of younger people, monial, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, They think they have it bad?

01:50:55.000 Well, I always say this, like, when was the last time you had to pay a bribe?

01:50:59.000 In America.

01:51:00.000 You can't.

01:51:00.000 That's so common in the world.

01:51:03.000 In so many countries, that's like daily life.

01:51:06.000 Not in the US.

01:51:08.000 In the US, people are so scared of losing their jobs, they won't even stand up for themselves.

01:51:12.000 Not everybody, but a lot of people are like, I can't take a bribe, I'll get in trouble.

01:51:16.000 We have scruples.

01:51:17.000 It worries me, though, because I think we're losing it.

01:51:17.000 It's a good thing.

01:51:20.000 We're getting to that point where bribes might actually matter.

01:51:22.000 However, though, the woke ideology stuff, purity is more important than anything.

01:51:26.000 So when you're terrified of getting cancelled, people won't cross. 0.99

01:51:31.000 Though some people end up with multi-million dollar mansions.

01:51:35.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:51:38.000 Your girlfriend's boyfriend says I'm a big manly man, and hearing the finer details of Yanmi's story made me cry and unable to repeat to others.

01:51:46.000 Why?

01:51:46.000 Because it was so harsh.

01:51:47.000 On a lighter note, I want to take her to dinner and see how much she can eat now.

01:51:51.000 Oh, I can eat.

01:51:52.000 I believe it.

01:51:53.000 It's good.

01:51:54.000 Oh yeah, I definitely can eat.

01:51:57.000 Michael McKesson says, Tim, love your video shooting the M82.

01:52:01.000 Brings a smile to my face.

01:52:03.000 Yeah, we went out with a Barrett M82.

01:52:05.000 Do you guys know what that is?

01:52:07.000 I imagine it's big.

01:52:08.000 Yes.

01:52:08.000 It's very big.

01:52:09.000 It is for hunting helicopters.

01:52:12.000 Yes.

01:52:13.000 There's too many helicopters in this country.

01:52:15.000 It's true.

01:52:15.000 Yeah, they become a nuisance every so often and you got to cull the numbers otherwise they keep breeding and there's helicopters everywhere.

01:52:21.000 But it's so cute when they're feeding their young.

01:52:23.000 Baby helicopters.

01:52:25.000 It really is for hunting helicopters not literally not like anyone's actually doing that United States.

01:52:31.000 It's just a very very large Come on, man.

01:52:34.000 Why does anyone need that kind of a gun?

01:52:36.000 I mean helicopters.

01:52:38.000 Um, because it's a... helicopters? What do you mean?

01:52:42.000 You never know, you know?

01:52:44.000 Bad helicopter?

01:52:45.000 What if like, what if a burglar comes to your house in a helicopter and he's like, in an Apache, and you're like, hey, you know what you're supposed to do?

01:52:50.000 We're allowed to have it, that's the thing.

01:52:51.000 Joe Biden doesn't want us to have it, that's for sure, but we are.

01:52:55.000 Commander232 says, Park, I have much respect for you and wish you the best.

01:52:59.000 I was stationed in South Korea in 2010 through 2011 when I was in the army, and all the Korean people I met were so welcoming and wanting to work with you, and wanting to work with you, and that included North Koreans I met at the DMZ.

01:53:12.000 Interesting.

01:53:14.000 I was there.

01:53:14.000 I was in South Korea then.

01:53:16.000 Oh, interesting.

01:53:17.000 Oh, wow.

01:53:19.000 I went to, uh, the first time I ever went, it was with Luke actually, and we went to a raccoon cafe.

01:53:25.000 Have you ever, did you ever go to any of those?

01:53:26.000 No.

01:53:26.000 Where you go inside and there's raccoons everywhere and you can just pet them and they're like, you give them food.

01:53:31.000 Are you a raccoon?

01:53:31.000 Sounds incredibly dangerous.

01:53:33.000 Sounds terrible.

01:53:33.000 Oh my gosh.

01:53:34.000 We have a cat cafe.

01:53:36.000 The sheep, baby lamb cafes.

01:53:36.000 Yeah.

01:53:38.000 Yes.

01:53:38.000 And there were dog cafes.

01:53:40.000 But the dogs are so messy.

01:53:40.000 Uh huh.

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:42.000 They're like barfing.

01:53:45.000 And you're like, I'm like, they expect you to sit down and like have food or like have a drink, like a boba or something.

01:53:50.000 It's like, there's just dogs running around.

01:53:52.000 It was fun though.

01:53:53.000 We went, it was definitely fun.

01:53:56.000 Okay.

01:53:57.000 Mountain Man Chuck says, random question for Yanmi.

01:53:59.000 Have you ever been to a live performance of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony?

01:54:03.000 No, I haven't.

01:54:04.000 But I would love to.

01:54:05.000 Yeah?

01:54:06.000 Yeah.

01:54:06.000 I think the biggest appreciation that I have is that for North Korean people, history was forgotten.

01:54:13.000 So I never knew.

01:54:13.000 I mean, even though God made you or the Big Bang happened, still we can connect to the humanity longer.

01:54:21.000 Yeah.

01:54:22.000 But in North Korea, you just never learn anything before Kim. 0.83

01:54:25.000 Like, our calendar started to change when Kim Il-sung was born.

01:54:29.000 Everything before was erased for us.

01:54:31.000 So I think I feel like this lineage now with humanity.

01:54:35.000 But in North Korea you just don't have that.

01:54:37.000 So if they believe that like rainbows and singing in the sky and then from the mountains comes Kim Il-sung, who's everybody else?

01:54:43.000 Who are the Americans? 0.79

01:54:44.000 Like where do they come from?

01:54:45.000 No, you guys are so... My friend, white friend, I took her to South Korea.

01:54:52.000 My mom was the first thing touching her.

01:54:54.000 Because we learned that you guys are cold-blooded.

01:54:58.000 And we don't have internet.

01:54:59.000 We cannot look up how Americans look like. 0.86

01:55:01.000 Like school posters. 0.94

01:55:03.000 That's how they show their huge nose, green eyes, and Yankees, and like cold-blooded monsters, right? 0.91

01:55:10.000 They don't even have a heart. 0.99

01:55:11.000 What was your mom's reaction when she... She was like, oh my god, you're a worm! 1.00

01:55:17.000 And she was like, why would you touch her? 0.95

01:55:19.000 She always wanted to know if they were actually cold-blooded or not.

01:55:24.000 Interesting.

01:55:26.000 Morgan Nair.

01:55:27.000 $10 for Knowles the first time, $10 for Lauren Chen, $10 for Knowles the second time, $10 for China Uncensored, $10 for Uber Ian, $10 for Wonderful Lids, $10 for Yanmi, the bravest, most wonderful voice we have, and $10 for teaching about the horrors of communism.

01:55:41.000 God bless.

01:55:42.000 Thank you very much.

01:55:42.000 Thank you.

01:55:45.000 It is certainly horrifying.

01:55:47.000 All right, let's see.

01:55:50.000 Oh, man, there's some, I think someone superchatted in Korean.

01:55:53.000 I can't read that.

01:55:55.000 All right, let's see.

01:55:56.000 But we'll come down to that.

01:55:57.000 It jumps and you get a big influx of superchats.

01:56:03.000 Ken Bossack says, something something Bitcoin fixes this.

01:56:07.000 I mean, we talk about crypto all the time, but I certainly think Bitcoin does in many ways.

01:56:07.000 Yeah.

01:56:12.000 In Venezuela, for instance, where they want to control and regulate currency and control the people, they can share with Bitcoin.

01:56:17.000 Of course, in North Korea, if you don't have a smartphone technology to actually use this stuff, it's probably hard to actually, you know, fix it.

01:56:25.000 Here's a question that's probably for me, but I'll say it for, uh, I'll ask Yanmi.

01:56:29.000 Brent Chappell says, what has been your favorite anime so far?

01:56:32.000 And which one do you want to watch next?

01:56:34.000 Anime?

01:56:35.000 Yeah.

01:56:36.000 Japanese cartoons.

01:56:39.000 So this is a thing because, uh, I came out as like almost 17 years old.

01:56:45.000 I mean, I did not know Michael Jackson was, right?

01:56:49.000 When people say Michael Jackson was a big deal, so who was that?

01:56:52.000 And then when Steve Jobs died, like, I have no clue who Steve Jobs is.

01:56:56.000 So my culture thing is so behind.

01:56:59.000 So I actually never seen any anime.

01:57:02.000 It's like, um, when Captain America had the book of all the things he missed when he was frozen.

01:57:09.000 I was like, I'm going to, I'm going to taste a lobster and tomorrow I'm going to eat shrimp.

01:57:13.000 I'm going to eat this.

01:57:14.000 All the stuff to do.

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:16.000 Well, when Yeonmi said, like, she had never seen a shower before, I was thinking of, like, Demolition Man.

01:57:21.000 Where he's in the future, and it's like, oh, he doesn't know what the three seashells are.

01:57:25.000 He doesn't know who's the shells!

01:57:26.000 It's like, that's if you come from North Korea, you'd have no idea.

01:57:29.000 The shells.

01:57:30.000 Oh gosh, the shells.

01:57:31.000 All right.

01:57:32.000 AlternativeJK90 says, shout out to Yeonmi and China Uncensored for what you do best.

01:57:38.000 Question for Yeonmi, Shelley, and Chris.

01:57:40.000 What is your take on the South Korean president?

01:57:42.000 My mom believes he secretly is siding with President Xi and the CCP.

01:57:46.000 Thank you.

01:57:47.000 Yang Mi from a Korean.

01:57:48.000 Aww, thank you.

01:57:49.000 And I'm gonna like Chris.

01:57:50.000 You guys do such a good job covering about him.

01:57:54.000 Well, it doesn't seem so secret to me.

01:57:59.000 I mean, Moon Jae-in, in his youth, he was a leftist, kind of a communist sympathizer.

01:58:06.000 So there are a lot of people who think that he is still basically that, and the people that are in power in South Korea are sympathize with North Korea, would like to unify with North

01:58:18.000 Korea, and also are sympathetic towards China and turning away from the U.S. essentially.

01:58:24.000 We did a few videos on China Uncensored about that topic.

01:58:27.000 Interesting.

01:58:28.000 So the idea of reunification that he wants is, let's come together and let's vote.

01:58:35.000 South Korea, there are like 10 more parties.

01:58:37.000 North Korea, one communist party.

01:58:39.000 So who gets more votes, gonna rule the entire Korea. 0.78

01:58:43.000 So in Korea, you get like 90-90% of the voting rate.

01:58:48.000 So they won't be exactly go under Kim Jong-un.

01:58:52.000 You can vote communism in.

01:58:54.000 You can vote it out.

01:58:56.000 We know that.

01:58:56.000 You gotta fight your way out.

01:58:57.000 That's what it is, right?

01:58:58.000 All right.

01:58:58.000 Yeah.

01:58:59.000 That's right.

01:59:00.000 St. Jean the Great says, the use of the word capitalist and subsequently capitalism were

01:59:04.000 coined in Germany in the 1850s and ultimately capitalized by a prominent German writer Karl

01:59:09.000 Marx.

01:59:10.000 The actual definition of our system as capitalist is Marxist thinking.

01:59:13.000 It's not.

01:59:14.000 That's right.

01:59:15.000 Interesting.

01:59:16.000 1991 Shadowheart says, Goa'uld lives matter. 0.97

01:59:21.000 Tok'ra lives matter. 0.97

01:59:22.000 Yes.

01:59:26.000 I hear good things about Atlantis.

01:59:27.000 Have you watched Stargate Atlantis?

01:59:28.000 No, I haven't yet.

01:59:29.000 I kind of think SG-1, you know, it's like, it's pretty good.

01:59:31.000 I gotta watch it.

01:59:32.000 be Ronin decks from Atlantis well Pegasus galaxy that's right um I hear

01:59:38.000 good things about Atlantis have you watched Stargate Atlantis no I haven't

01:59:41.000 yet I kind of think SG-1 you know it's like it's pretty good I got I got a

01:59:46.000 watch there's a lot to it though a lot of people are mentioned they're watching

01:59:51.000 Oh my gosh.

01:59:52.000 Great!

01:59:54.000 Andrew Roan says, I'm getting anti-gun ads on gun channels now.

01:59:57.000 I doubt that these channels are getting the ad money.

01:59:59.000 Most likely YouTube inserting propaganda.

02:00:02.000 They're probably getting the ad money.

02:00:03.000 They probably are.

02:00:04.000 YouTube allows ads on gun channels.

02:00:07.000 Maybe because of anti-gun propaganda.

02:00:10.000 So long as the gun is in an appropriate facility.

02:00:12.000 You can't have it in a bedroom.

02:00:13.000 It's got to be in a gun range or a store.

02:00:15.000 You're fine.

02:00:16.000 And you also can't take sponsorship from people who sell guns.

02:00:19.000 That's interesting.

02:00:20.000 We've covered gun issues on our other show, American, covered a few times, and I think it's always demonetized.

02:00:26.000 Yeah, that sounds right.

02:00:28.000 T-Town says, Tim, I'm not getting notifications for you anymore.

02:00:31.000 They are trying to bury you.

02:00:33.000 Hashtag don't bury Tim.

02:00:34.000 That's right.

02:00:34.000 They are.

02:00:35.000 So you need to like this video, subscribe to this channel, hit the notification bell, and even then it doesn't do anything.

02:00:41.000 So I guess if you really like the show, you can share the show and go to TimCast.com, become a member, help support our work because we're gonna be bringing on more journalists and expanding our content.

02:00:49.000 New website launching in just a few weeks.

02:00:51.000 But I guess so long as you like the show and you just come and watch it of your own volition, YouTube doesn't owe me promotion.

02:00:59.000 YouTube doesn't owe me notification bells.

02:01:01.000 I guess technically if you choose to get notified and you don't, they're kind of ripping you off.

02:01:06.000 So set an alarm on your phone.

02:01:08.000 Yeah, for Monday through Friday at 8pm.

02:01:10.000 Yeah.

02:01:12.000 Nombot says SG1 is so relevant because wokeism equals goa'uld and season four episode six window of opportunity best episode ever.

02:01:20.000 I'm not there yet.

02:01:22.000 I gotta really watch this show.

02:01:24.000 Yeah, it's time to watch the show, I guess.

02:01:25.000 I'm so sore right now.

02:01:27.000 Alright, we'll just do a couple more here.

02:01:29.000 I'm lost.

02:01:30.000 AI Train, I think it says A-Train or is it L-Train?

02:01:33.000 Thank you for bringing Yami onto the show.

02:01:35.000 I picked up her book recently and it's one of the most heartbreaking stories I've ever read.

02:01:39.000 What she went through is hell and to come out of it and be the person she is today is just amazing.

02:01:43.000 She's a wonderful person.

02:01:44.000 Yes.

02:01:45.000 Do you want to mention your book?

02:01:46.000 Yeah, it's called In Order to Live.

02:01:50.000 Yeah.

02:01:51.000 That book ended when I began Columbia, right before.

02:01:54.000 Thank God.

02:01:55.000 Imagine if I would stay there.

02:01:57.000 There's gonna be a whole other chapter about it.

02:01:59.000 Then maybe it would not be published and reviewed by the mainstream.

02:02:03.000 That's the kind of book that should be required in schools, you know?

02:02:06.000 Understanding other cultures, understanding authoritarianism.

02:02:09.000 Maybe in Florida.

02:02:10.000 You also have a YouTube channel.

02:02:11.000 Oh yeah, I do.

02:02:12.000 I have a channel that talks about North Korea.

02:02:15.000 Cool.

02:02:15.000 Yeah.

02:02:16.000 I want to talk about the beauty standard of North Korea.

02:02:19.000 So you know, in North Korea, who's the hottest guy?

02:02:22.000 Kim Jong-un.

02:02:25.000 Everybody's so poor, right?

02:02:27.000 So in North Korea, thin waistline is not a beauty.

02:02:30.000 Right.

02:02:30.000 Being heavier.

02:02:31.000 If you're bored, symbol of status.

02:02:33.000 So you gotta be chubby and bored.

02:02:37.000 And you are very attractive.

02:02:39.000 So we're gonna get, maybe, we were having a laugh with Michael Malice and we're talking about getting an old-timey painting where we can like take the eyes out and have the eyes follow you.

02:02:50.000 And Michael said that we should, he showed us a picture, a painting of Kim Jong-il wearing a samurai outfit and riding a tiger.

02:02:57.000 Have you ever seen that painting before?

02:02:59.000 No.

02:03:00.000 He was like, this is the painting you have to get.

02:03:04.000 And I was like, I'm down.

02:03:05.000 Like, that'd be amazing.

02:03:07.000 Wow.

02:03:07.000 Yeah.

02:03:08.000 That'd be really funny.

02:03:09.000 We gotta do that.

02:03:09.000 That sounds great.

02:03:10.000 Darun Olbane says, Tim, watch Farscape show.

02:03:13.000 It's awesome.

02:03:15.000 Well, that's after SG1, I suppose.

02:03:15.000 All right.

02:03:16.000 Farscape was cool.

02:03:18.000 Was it?

02:03:19.000 Not as good as SG1.

02:03:21.000 Samuel Brucker says, So how do we let the North Koreans know that we love them and that we believe that they are worth saving?

02:03:27.000 Can we drop millions of crates full of KFC blue jeans and iPhones?

02:03:31.000 That'd be your dream.

02:03:33.000 So there are nonprofits that I work with.

02:03:36.000 We send outside information to North Koreans. 1.00

02:03:39.000 So when I was in North Korea, one of the turning points for me was watching movie Titanic.

02:03:45.000 Because, I mean, until then, we don't learn.

02:03:48.000 We don't know.

02:03:49.000 In North Korea?

02:03:51.000 How did you get it?

02:03:52.000 It's through the underground market. 0.93

02:03:54.000 But you get executed.

02:03:56.000 And sent to prison camp for watching foreign information.

02:04:00.000 Wow. 0.93

02:04:00.000 Yeah, if you ever read the Bible, you get executed. 0.93

02:04:03.000 Yeah. 0.56

02:04:04.000 Wow.

02:04:04.000 So, you're literally risking your life to watch some movie.

02:04:09.000 And here we just do a Netflix binge all night.

02:04:11.000 You can actually- Imagine being executed for Titanic.

02:04:15.000 Yeah.

02:04:15.000 Yikes.

02:04:16.000 I wouldn't do that.

02:04:18.000 But you can actually watch some really messed up stuff on the internet in America, like, things you shouldn't watch, you can watch.

02:04:23.000 Yeah.

02:04:24.000 Let alone the Titanic, you know?

02:04:26.000 Yeah.

02:04:27.000 Wow.

02:04:28.000 So, I mean, those kind of things you can do.

02:04:30.000 Like, there are a lot of work we can do to let them know.

02:04:34.000 And, I mean, a lot of people are saying, like, oh, what are we going to do?

02:04:36.000 Like, North Koreans are so brainwashed. 1.00

02:04:37.000 They think we are monsters. 0.98

02:04:39.000 But when I came to America, like, just looking at you guys, lie doesn't have power.

02:04:45.000 That's the thing.

02:04:45.000 We never have to be worrying about these lies.

02:04:48.000 What's the name of your non-profit that does that?

02:04:50.000 I'm working with the Human Rights Foundation.

02:04:52.000 They have this program called Flash Drives for Freedom.

02:04:56.000 So we send USB sticks with information.

02:05:00.000 And somehow North Koreans love the Beverly Hills Desperate Wives. 0.99

02:05:06.000 I don't know why, but because it's so different.

02:05:10.000 So they want to escape their life, I think.

02:05:11.000 They just want to look at that.

02:05:14.000 Interesting.

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02:05:38.000 We're gonna have a vlog up tomorrow over at youtube.com slash CastCastle.

02:05:43.000 Which is what did we do this time?

02:05:44.000 Oh, we went to, um, zip lining.

02:05:47.000 And then this is, this is really, really funny.

02:05:49.000 Luke blows up the house and nukes the planet.

02:05:52.000 I'm not kidding.

02:05:53.000 Literally the vlog is Luke blowing up the house. 0.94

02:05:56.000 It's silly.

02:05:57.000 It's fun.

02:05:57.000 You'll love it.

02:05:58.000 Do you want, uh, well, I guess I suppose you just shouted out your book and your YouTube channel already, but do you have any other social media or anything else you want to mention?

02:06:04.000 Oh, well, I'm on like Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, not on TikTok.

02:06:08.000 So find me on other platforms.

02:06:11.000 Just YouTube is good.

02:06:12.000 Yeah.

02:06:13.000 It's called the Voice of North Korea.

02:06:15.000 Yeah.

02:06:15.000 Cool.

02:06:16.000 And then China Uncensored, Challenge Chris, you want to mention anything?

02:06:20.000 Uh, you can follow me on Twitter at Shell Zhang, S-H-E-L-Z-H-A-N-G. 1.00

02:06:25.000 Although to be honest, I've been a little late on Twitter lately, but you know.

02:06:29.000 It was good for the mental health. 0.67

02:06:30.000 Yeah.

02:06:30.000 Yes.

02:06:32.000 Yeah.

02:06:32.000 And you can follow China Uncensored or America Uncovered or our podcast China Unscripted on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, not TikTok.

02:06:42.000 Yeah.

02:06:42.000 That's right.

02:06:43.000 And you guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patchlets.

02:06:46.000 And thank you guys both for coming.

02:06:47.000 Yanmi, I feel like I speak for many people when I say that your story was incredibly moving.

02:06:52.000 You presented it so calmly and so rationally that I think that hopefully it will change a lot of people's minds.

02:06:57.000 And of course, Chris and Shelley, for your knowledge about China.

02:07:00.000 Thank you for having me.

02:07:00.000 Cheers for Yanmi.

02:07:02.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:07:04.000 Yeonmi, the story about how you risked your life to watch a movie, how you faced certain death even just staying where you were and you had to make your way to China, how you endured slavery because it was better than death, but how you traveled through the desert to make it finally to South Korea to find freedom is one of the most inspirational stories I've ever heard.

02:07:23.000 And so I hope it inspires many Americans to stand up for what they believe in.

02:07:27.000 To not allow ideologues and authoritarians to take over, because certainly it can be way worse if we do nothing.

02:07:36.000 And we have a lot to lose as a country, but for the time being, fighting back, we would never even risk as bad as it was for the things you've experienced.

02:07:47.000 I mean, Americans, their worst case scenario will never be as nearly as devastating unless we do nothing.

02:07:53.000 So I hope that's a good reminder and thank you for coming.

02:07:55.000 I really appreciate it.

02:07:56.000 So everybody else, thanks for hanging out.

02:07:58.000 We will see you all Monday in the next episode and have a good weekend.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - June 25, 2021

Timcast IRL - North Korean Yeonmi Park Joins, Says Woke Is CRAZIER Than NK Is w-China Uncensored

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