Join hosts Matt Walsh, Elijah Schaefer, Libby Emmett Emmons, and Matt's good friend Libby Eichenauer as they discuss pro-choice legislation, parental rights and education bills, and the tragic death of a young woman in a car crash in New York City.
00:00:04.000The governor of Oklahoma has officially signed into law a bill banning the performing of abortions except in any circumstance to save the mother's life.
00:00:14.000And I mean, this is the boldest move we've seen in the pro-choice, pro-life political arena.
00:00:20.000In the past year, there's been a lot of states that have been enacting restrictions on after how many weeks can you get an abortion.
00:00:48.000Many other states are seeking to enact bills that are similar.
00:00:52.000But now we're seeing that Maryland and New Jersey are kind of going the opposite direction.
00:00:56.000Maryland actually has a mandate that's going to require gender ideology being taught with some, let's just say, explicit I'll put it this way.
00:01:04.000If I were to tell you what they were teaching these kids, YouTube would probably demonetize this stream.
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00:01:15.000Plus, we got a bunch of stuff to talk about in terms of crime.
00:01:18.000New York, obviously, there was a very serious tragic incident.
00:01:21.000And Oberlin College lost a major lawsuit after accusing a small banker of being racist and they're refusing to pay those fees, the settlement.
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00:04:56.000Let's jump into this first story from TimCast.com.
00:04:59.000Oklahoma governor signs bill making performing an abortion a felony.
00:05:05.000The law grants an exception for abortions performed to save the life of the mother.
00:05:09.000Governor Kevin Stitt signed Senate Bill 612 on April 12th.
00:05:13.000The measure makes it a felony to perform an abortion except to save the life of a mother.
00:05:17.000Anyone who performs an abortion could face up to 10 years in prison and a $100,000 fine.
00:05:49.000Well, I mean, first of all, I'm never satisfied, so the bit there about, except to save the life of the mother, I'm a little... I want to read more into that, because I don't think that exception should be there, because usually when you look into that, you find that, well, saving the life of the mother, what they're really talking about is if the mother is in emotional distress, then she can still get the abortion.
00:06:11.000So you have to look into that, because in reality, there is never a need for an abortion to save a mother's life.
00:06:18.000But putting that aside, I think what we see here is the Republican Party, and this is like a shock for those of us who grew up, we're so used to Republicans being milquetoast and cowardly, and many of them still are, but we're starting to see in some of these states, Oklahoma, Florida, like the Republicans are actually going on offense, which is exactly what you have to do, is go on offense and try to enact laws according to your own value system rather than always playing defense.
00:06:43.000And if you believe that abortion Is the murder of a child, then of course you're going to do everything within your power to outlaw.
00:06:51.000You're not going to sit around and say, well, the Supreme Court has spoken.
00:07:05.000So do you want to just elaborate on that?
00:07:07.000Well, usually you hear about this abortion to save the life of the mother thing and these especially late term abortions.
00:07:14.000And so what I guess you got to use an example.
00:07:16.000So like one example would be, let's say the mother is pregnant and then has some sort of medical complication, cancer or something like that.
00:07:25.000And you have to end the pregnancy, especially later in later term.
00:07:31.000Well, yeah, you end the pregnancy to save the mother's life.
00:07:34.000You don't have to kill the child first, though.
00:07:42.000I could submit and agree that there are times when to save the mother's life, you have to end the pregnancy, especially in later terms.
00:07:52.000But you don't have to... Killing the child is an extra step that is not necessary.
00:07:56.000You can deliver the child, and in many of these life-saving, quote-unquote, life-saving abortions, you have children that could be delivered, and you send them up to the NICU, and there's a good chance that the child could still survive.
00:08:06.000Yeah, there's children that survive at, like, 21 weeks at this point.
00:08:50.000Just to further clarify, in the instance where there is a severe abnormality, and the baby likely will not survive, and the mother likely will not survive a birth, you're saying that if they were to deliver the baby, or maybe a C-section, they can at least try to save both?
00:09:22.000And I want to mention this because I basically said something along those lines on the last episode where we did discuss this.
00:09:27.000There are procedures that will be referred to as abortions in order to make the argument that abortion is ever medically necessitated, and it's just not true.
00:09:35.000So if there is an operation that is required to save the life of the mother, but that poses a risk to the life of the unborn child, that is not the same thing as an abortion.
00:09:45.000And there's a principle known as the principle of double effect where you're trying to do one thing and there might
00:09:50.000be a negative unintended consequence But it's not the same thing morally as intending to do the
00:09:55.000secondary thing which can result yeah, that's what I was getting to is that that's a good
00:10:00.000point because the cancer example is one where maybe the mother is diagnosed with late-stage cancer and you have to
00:10:06.000you know chemo or something and and And there's a chance that that will kill the child.
00:10:11.000Well, if you're not directly and intentionally killing a child, you're just you're doing a procedure to try to save the mother's life.
00:10:17.000And tragically, the child dies in the process.
00:10:20.000Well, that's the same thing, too, when it comes to the medical procedure, because we're talking about euthanasia, specifically ending long-term care or making people comfortable as they die.
00:10:29.000I mean, there's a big difference of intentionally injecting a lethal dose of an opiate to end somebody's life or some sort of a solution that would kill them versus if somebody's already on hospice.
00:10:39.000and their organs are running at 20, 30, 40 percent capacity, and then you give them some sort of an opiate, and their
00:10:45.000heart just simply cannot process, cannot take it, their liver cannot process the drug, so
00:10:49.000then they go into organ failure and die.
00:10:51.000Are you then going to say that the hospice nurse, you know, murdered the woman? Did she go in to
00:10:54.000kill her? Did she euthanize her? No. You'd go, well, she did what she could to make her comfortable,
00:10:59.000And that then she died and responded differently.
00:11:27.000And that's a constant issue that I see.
00:11:29.000And I want to make one little point here, like you were saying earlier, the problem
00:11:32.000with the, the idea of necessity in abortion for, for women to save their lives.
00:11:37.000I mean, if you look at what's happening in Canada right now with the euthanizing argument, they want to be able to euthanize people who suffer with depression, with schizophrenia, with anxiety.
00:12:00.000So where do you draw the line of what's putting the mother's life in jeopardy?
00:12:04.000I think, Matt, you got some nuance that is often left out of the conversation, too, because, you know, my line of questioning was certainly there's gonna be some circumstance where the mother and the baby's life are both in jeopardy, but the term abortion, I think, is often just meant to imply taking the baby out.
00:12:20.000Afterwards, it's sort of, there's no real thought to it.
00:12:24.000So when you explain that, well, now I understand.
00:12:27.000If there's circumstance, and correct me if I'm wrong, in which the mother and the baby might both likely die, Well, if they have to remove the baby, they can try and save it.
00:12:36.000And it's really a miracle, the way that our technology has progressed, that now you can deliver a baby at 21 weeks and oftentimes the child will still survive.
00:12:45.000We're going to get to a point where Eventually we'll get to the point with the technology where a child can survive outside of the womb at any stage.
00:12:52.000Well, we already have a federal rule, right?
00:12:56.000We have the 14-day rule for research, where scientists, researchers, can basically take a fertilized embryo and grow it in a lab.
00:13:09.000And you can grow it up to 14, not 14 weeks, 14 days.
00:13:43.000Let's say we're at 18 weeks pregnancy and there's a medical complication where they're like, if we don't end this pregnancy, the baby and the mother will die within a week or two.
00:13:52.000I mean, I know it's an edge case, but I'm sure there are circumstances.
00:13:55.000What would your perspective be on something like that?
00:13:57.000Well, this is where you get into it, and it is important to emphasize.
00:14:02.000We're talking about a small percentage of cases, and the vast majority of abortions have nothing to do with saving the mother's life.
00:14:07.000But in these kinds of incredibly devastating situations, then you have to fall back on these kind of philosophical distinctions like double effect.
00:14:15.000And in a situation like that, then maybe you might perform a life-saving procedure on the mother that's almost certain to result in the death of the child.
00:14:44.000But we would also I'm not going to sit here and say that if a mother needs radiation, that that I think She should be morally required to forego it.
00:14:53.000That's a heroic thing, and I have a lot of respect for her.
00:14:56.000I think that you could still, by principle of double effect, get the cancer treated.
00:15:01.000Did you elaborate on double effect already?
00:15:03.000Yeah, so the idea behind the principle of double effect is if you are attempting to do something which is good, but there is an outcome that is bad which can result from it, but that bad outcome is not your intention, you're not morally culpable for it in the way that you would be if you were just going out of your way to ensure that outcome.
00:15:21.000But just to clarify, not as much as you would be.
00:15:40.000But we got to clarify this because I mean, I think there are some really dumb communists, certainly there are really bad ones, but, who are thinking, you know, if I take the farm from the farmer and give it to the farmhands, I'll be doing great.
00:16:07.000The tram thing, if I remember correctly, it's like a thought experiment where there's a train coming down the track, and there's like five people tied to the track, and you're standing next to the switch, and you could pull the switch and send the train on a different track, but there's one guy on that track.
00:16:22.000Is it okay to pull the lever and send it off to save the five people?
00:16:27.000And the answer is yes, because your intention is to save the five.
00:16:30.000You're not trying to kill the one guy.
00:17:02.000If the person dies, we're not gonna be like, you murderer!
00:17:04.000We're gonna be like, you're trying to save somebody.
00:17:06.000Yeah, in the train car situation, if somebody pulls that lever to save the five, not at all intending to kill the one guy, Are we gonna send that guy to jail for murder?
00:17:16.000That's a good point, too, but man, is that scary.
00:17:17.000And so the difference is, like... I wouldn't want to be that one guy, man.
00:17:20.000Yeah, but the thing is, what if there was no lever to pull, and instead of pulling a lever, you just threw another person in front of the train to stop it from hitting the other five?
00:17:56.000there's a guaranteed outcome of five people dying or One move which is a binary which is you know
00:18:02.000Five people dying or the binary you taking action which kills that one person
00:18:06.000Most people when polled say they would not pull the switch because you are choosing to kill someone to save five people.
00:18:15.000I don't know if I agree with that analogy, simply because I think, you know, it's an issue of like an officer, a cop.
00:18:21.000He, you know, he sees someone draw a weapon and start pointing it at children, so he pulls his gun out and says, drop it, and fires.
00:18:28.000The bullet goes through the guy's shoulder and then hits someone behind him, severely injuring him.
00:18:33.000We're not gonna, you know, we're gonna say, in defense of others, this is actually an affirmative defense in court cases, like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse, that you're not responsible For what's behind the person when you're acting in defense of yourself or others.
00:18:46.000So I think it was specific, a specific circumstance.
00:18:49.000But in the instance where Kyle was attacked, they were saying it was reckless endangerment because Richie McGinnis was close to him and the bullet could have gone through and hurt him.
00:18:56.000But ultimately, the court decided, no, he can't be responsible.
00:18:59.000Someone was threatening his life and he took action to protect himself.
00:19:03.000I think that's kind of a better way to look at it, I suppose.
00:19:05.000Yeah, I mean, not to get too into the weeds with the trolley problem, but I think there's a very good argument to be made that when you pull that lever, your intention is not to kill any individual person, it's to divert the train from hitting those five people, and it would be morally different if you actually had a vendetta against that one person laying on the track, and your intention was to kill them, because that would tell us, A, about your future behavior, B, what your decision-making process is, whether you're dangerous, and C, whether you are actually intending to kill someone.
00:19:30.000But I disagree because you know the outcome is guaranteed death.
00:19:33.000What we're talking about is an outcome where there's a possibility of it, and you're trying to avoid that.
00:19:38.000But there's guaranteed death in the trolley problem anyway.
00:19:42.000What I think is most interesting about the trolley problem is that the contemplation of it itself is like the fallacy that we have control over everything around us.
00:19:53.000You know, that we think that just because there's a problem, that means that we have the capability of solving it in some thorough and appropriate way.
00:20:37.000This is a Daily Mail says, Sickening YouTube star couple is slammed for comparing abortion to the Holocaust and branding it the world's most deadly killer in pro-love documentary shared with 13 million followers.
00:20:51.000Cole and Savannah LeBron have come under fire for contrasting the amount of people who got abortions to the amount who were killed during the Holocaust.
00:20:57.000You know, the first thing I'm going to mention is frame check.
00:21:02.000Do pro-life conservatives find this sickening, and are they slamming them?
00:21:06.000Or is this the instance of pro-life personalities with large followings expressing their views, and the left opposing them calling this?
00:21:13.000I think the Daily Mail very obviously framed this in a way that makes it appear like everybody's mad about this, but, you know, you guys who are more conservative pro-life, I'm curious what you think about this couple.
00:21:22.000There's only one reason to be pro-life, and that is that you believe that, well, the two basic assertions of a pro-life person is that the child in the womb is a human being and that it's never okay to intentionally and directly murder an innocent human being and so if you believe both of those things then you you must agree that this holocaust comparison is valid because those are we've got 60 million abortions in in the united states of roe v wade are those human beings or not if they're human beings that's 60 million humans a 60 million people who are killed and we've never seen
00:21:56.000The systematic slaughter of 60 million human people before anywhere on earth.
00:22:12.000is the largest single group of women who have abortions are black women.
00:22:17.000I think it's like 36 percent of abortions are for are done by black mothers and And that doesn't count California, I believe, and California has the most abortions in the country.
00:22:30.000And it doesn't count California because California doesn't keep data on the race of women who whose children are aborted.
00:22:39.000So what I mean, it does seem to me that there is a genocide against black babies in this country.
00:22:45.000My question is on the statistics about 60 million.
00:22:48.000I think it's important because the data I saw says that the overwhelming majority of abortions are listed as no reason given.
00:22:54.000So I'm wondering, you know, of the 60 million abortions, if we're gonna say it is slaughter, are some of these, you know, how would you define them?
00:23:01.000Is this entire 60 million just, you know, abortion as contraception?
00:23:05.000Are there, you know, medical crises or interventions?
00:23:10.000That's the, like we were talking about, the medical We don't have to get into it again, but there's never actually a reason to abort a child for medical reasons.
00:23:18.000We could even put all that aside because that's like 1% of the cases.
00:23:22.00099% of cases are essentially abortion for contraception.
00:23:26.000It's just you don't want the child because you don't feel like having a kid or because you don't think you can afford the child.
00:23:32.000Real quick, because I have a philosophical, ethical, libertarian question about this that I think I'd love to hear your thoughts, Matt.
00:23:41.000You know, personally, I have an issue with government intervention in terms of a person being required to provide their body to another person.
00:23:49.000And so, the conundrum arises with two individuals sharing one body, and then the state determining that one person must provide that body to another person.
00:23:57.000Typically the response I get and I accept is, well, if a woman chooses to engage in reproductive acts and then she brings into or harbors life, she's accepted a responsibility in that regard.
00:24:10.000If a woman is forced to harbor another person, then the government intervenes and says, we're going to enforce that you will provide your blood and your body to another person.
00:24:19.000Well, let me, I'll respond in general terms even.
00:24:23.000Because what you're talking about, if that principle is true, that you shouldn't be forced to provide your body to another person, and that would apply not just to babies conceived through rape, but to all babies conceived, right?
00:24:46.000We have responsibilities in society, but especially according to relationships.
00:24:50.000So that's my problem with when it's framed that way.
00:24:55.000Forced to provide your body to somebody.
00:24:57.000Yeah, I shouldn't be forced to provide an organ to my neighbor, but to my child.
00:25:02.000The relationship there carries with it certain responsibilities.
00:25:06.000So what I would say is, let's take it outside of the womb.
00:25:11.000Should parents be forced, quote-unquote, to care for their babies?
00:25:16.000Or, at least, to find someone else who will?
00:25:19.000Like, should it be legal for a mother to say of her six-month-old baby, I don't really want this baby anymore, and to just, like, throw the child in a dumpster?
00:25:29.000Or even just leave the child at home and just go somewhere and leave?
00:25:32.000We would say, no, you can't do that because, yeah, you don't have a responsibility to the six-month-old across the street, but that's your child.
00:25:39.000There is a difference between something that's directly connected to your bloodstream.
00:25:43.000And this is why I say, I understand and accept the argument that if a person chooses to engage in an action, they have a responsibility.
00:25:51.000But if someone is forced into that position, I just find it creepy that, you know, a woman can be victimized by someone, then have... I understand the child is innocent in this regard, I absolutely believe that when it comes to rape.
00:26:02.000But then for just a person to be told by the state, the being that is harbored in your body that is using your blood and nutrients, that was put there by force, you must nurture and nourish.
00:26:19.000We have the state can tell you, you know, tells you what to do or whatever.
00:26:21.000But the real problem is that we have a lack of a shared value system.
00:26:25.000And if we had values that encouraged motherhood and that encouraged valuing life, regardless of what the law is, we would have less abortion, you know?
00:26:33.000And I think that that's really important.
00:26:35.000We need to encourage motherhood, encourage parenthood, encourage families.
00:26:40.000And if we did that, then it doesn't matter what the law said.
00:27:09.000But I really thought that it was a very powerful statement for this extremely popular pop star to come out and say, I didn't intend to get pregnant, and I'm having my baby, and I'm stoked about it.
00:28:52.000What if your child is in the hospital because of something you did, and they need to be hooked up to you for a short period of time in order to survive?
00:29:05.000I know, but would it be acceptable, because you don't want to be hooked up to your child, to put a pillow over their face and just kill them?
00:29:13.000So that's, you can't ignore the relationship.
00:29:15.000And I don't know why it's a problem to just say, just like we say to parents of born children, no matter how the kid was born, we say, you are responsible for that child.
00:29:33.000That's the one thing that changes all of this.
00:29:35.000Because I absolutely say, if a person chooses to engage in these behaviors, they have accepted that responsibility, and they must adhere to that responsibility.
00:29:43.000But if a woman is walking through a park on her way home, and it's 5pm and someone grabs her and drags her into a lobby or something, or into an alley, and then she rushes to the hospital and they do a check, Then a few weeks later she finds out she's pregnant and says, I never chose this.
00:30:01.000They forced it upon me and I do not want to provide my body to another person.
00:30:05.000Would the state then say, we don't care, you have to?
00:30:08.000Well yeah, and I think this is where the argument gets stupid in our society.
00:30:11.000You know, we see this amaze Sex education for children and I was reading through some of their PDFs that was talking about rape specifically that I thought was fascinating because it was talking about the need for consent and there was a situation that was so outrageous that would never happen and I noticed something interesting that goes everyone was there at a baseball game at Philip and Jackson's house and you know Bethany had drank too much alcohol and I thought wait a second
00:30:36.000We're about to talk about sex and consent.
00:30:38.000Now we're starting with underage drinking.
00:30:44.000The problem would be the underage drinking we should work on, because that's clearly what's leading to the behavior.
00:30:48.000When we talk about the rape, though, with children, the key thing is, and this is what I'm saying, when we talk about rape, this is why they try to redefine even what rape is in college, where they say, a rape is if you regret it afterwards.
00:31:02.000The problem with the rape argument is that, you know, you're going, okay, if someone was forcibly, I'm not going to get graphic, but there's a violent crime, a violent crime that is heinous against someone's body, a woman's body, and she's forcibly impregnated.
00:31:14.000Well, number one, that's not the definition legally of rape anymore.
00:31:16.000And specifically socially, people just say rape can almost be like gender.
00:31:20.000If you just regretted it later in life.
00:31:22.000I'm genuinely being serious about that.
00:31:23.000I don't care about the left's arguments on this.
00:31:28.000My point is, for you, not legally, for all of you, for your morals and principles, I have no problem if your answer is, the woman must be forced.
00:31:45.000We can all agree that if a woman is impregnated through violent, like, forcible rape, it's a horrible, unthinkable crime that was committed against her.
00:31:52.000Which is why I think, go ahead, I'm all about executing rapists if they're found guilty.
00:33:08.000Well, I don't think that's entirely the framing.
00:33:13.000I think there's more to it than that, right?
00:33:16.000I do think there's more to it than that.
00:33:17.000I think a big problem with the abortion conversation is how far it's gone to the point where you have people arguing that you should be able to abort for You know illnesses that you should be able to abort for deformities that you should be able to abort for You know getting the biological sex that you want all of these things like having all of this extra stuff in this conversation saying like all of these various reasons that you could abort your child that you should be able to you know kill your baby up to the point of delivery and all of this
00:33:51.000This has made this conversation so insane that we completely forget, you know, where it sort of started, which was the idea that it would be safe, legal and rare.
00:34:06.000It's not something that I would do for myself.
00:34:08.000I don't know what I would do if I was, you know, a teen who had been like raped, you know, whatever else it is.
00:34:15.000And I think that there's I think that it it makes sense to discuss a woman's life.
00:34:20.000And what that life is going to be like after she has been forcibly impregnated by, you know, some horrible person.
00:34:27.000I don't think also the idea that once this woman has been forcibly impregnated, we're going to kill the man who did it so that now she can't even get child support from this guy.
00:34:35.000Like you can't do anything like that's insane too.
00:34:40.000No, I mean, I'm 100% thoroughly opposed to capital punishment in every single circumstance.
00:34:46.000I just want to make one point before you jump in here.
00:34:48.000I think it's morally insane to say that if somebody rapes a woman and she becomes pregnant, it's ethically permissible to murder the child, but not to put the rapist to death.
00:34:58.000Okay, I'm not aware of any reason to be pro-life other than the two that I gave.
00:35:04.000That the life in the womb is a human life, and it is never okay to intentionally and directly kill innocent human life.
00:35:13.000That's my whole reason for being pro-life.
00:35:24.000I think that it makes sense to talk to this woman, this hypothetical raped person that we're talking about.
00:35:29.000It makes sense to talk to them and to like, you know, encourage them to have a child if they have, you know, the means and whatever else and the mental capability to do that.
00:35:39.000But I don't think that it should be the federal government making that determination.
00:35:46.000If we try to create a value system on moral points, what is more morally weighted than, I think I understand a bit of the conversation.
00:35:56.000It's that a woman will suffer a physical constraint and large inconvenience and potentially trauma being forced to carry this child, but she'll live.
00:36:10.000There's a challenge in, for me, in the idea of just the extent to which society has power over other people's bodies, but I totally see what you guys are saying 100%.
00:36:20.000Like, the woman will not die by having a baby and being pregnant for nine months.
00:36:24.000And if we want to maximize good, the challenge is, does the state then say, you know, you're
00:36:29.000going to sacrifice for nine months and, you know, have this as a part of you for the rest of your
00:36:34.000life, but at least two people survive in the long run? It's tough questions, man.
00:36:40.000I think the other thing is, sometimes what gets mixed into this conversation is like,
00:36:43.000there's two questions about the act itself and then kind of the moral guilt
00:36:51.000of the person who participates in the act.
00:36:54.000And I certainly believe that your moral guilt participating in the act, I'm talking about abortion, Could be severely mitigated if we're talking about a child who's, you know, and is being taken advantage of by the abortion industry as well.
00:37:06.000So that's sort of like a different discussion about the woman and her own moral guilt and the levels and mitigating circumstances.
00:37:14.000But there's still just the question of the act itself and what it, this life that's being killed.
00:37:40.000If the point of viability becomes day one, you know, minute one, we can take it and put it into some kind of machine or technology that will allow it to live.
00:38:40.000Who teaches them whether or not to, you know, castrate themselves because they think they should be something else?
00:38:45.000And are we going to create a class of citizens that are responsible to the state, that the state is responsible for?
00:38:52.000You know, what is this like, this weird stormtrooper thing we've got going?
00:38:56.000Well, they could be put up for adoption, maybe.
00:38:57.000They can be put up for adoption, but who's going to adopt these kids?
00:39:01.000Just real quick, I want to get your guys' thought on this.
00:39:04.000So let's take two forms of this question.
00:39:06.000One is, if a woman gets pregnant through any circumstance, and then she says, oh, I'm going to place the baby into, you know, proto-future development, and then the doctors transplant it, it survives.
00:39:19.000And the second question is, if a woman was forced through rape and they said, we're sorry this happened to you, but we can take the baby out and it'll survive and grow in this external process, how would you feel about that?
00:39:31.000When I last checked the statistics in 2019, there were actually twice as many couples on the waiting list to adopt than there were abortions that happened in the country that year.
00:39:38.000So I do think there would be people willing to adopt.
00:39:39.000But as for this theological, I'm curious what your answer is here.
00:40:42.000And so my response here is that There are, you know, gray-haired theologians with beards much better and longer than mine who can sort of stroke them all day and come up with much better answers to this question than I ever could.
00:40:56.000And that's who I would defer to if they come along.
00:40:59.000I do think it's kind of an interesting question because obviously we've talked recently even about, you know, IVF and this idea people keep talking about renting wombs even.
00:41:10.000But I mean, more slang has been this womb rental that has kind of like plagued Twitter where people are arguing about this.
00:41:18.000And not just surrogacy, but also like, you know, talking about when it's just, for instance, from a donor and also from the original person.
00:41:30.000Well, I was going to say, I mean, I've met some surrogates and it's been a very interesting conversation, especially when, you know, meeting one girl who was a surrogate and the baby had some sort of a defect and the people who were using the surrogate wanted her to abort her kid.
00:41:52.000But this idea of transhumanism is two things.
00:41:55.000I don't think it's gonna happen like you think where there's just this lab and we're taking these rare rape victims because I think we always use this very niche argument of like could we create a technology where if there's this rare time even let's say a mom is dying from cancer and the dad wants to keep the baby and we could take the baby out and grow the baby in this artificial womb You know what, in many ways it sounds amazing and ethical places in an ethical nation, but all I see right now is the movement for that technology so that men can get pregnant.
00:42:20.000And that's what I've seen with this trans, this trans woman thing.
00:42:25.000So I don't see us moving towards an ethical development of technology in this world.
00:42:28.000It's for the basis of trying to do what's right.
00:42:31.000I see us for trying to go outside the design of humanity, whether you're a Christian, the design of God, or you're not a Christian, the biological mechanisms that create a stable species.
00:42:39.000I don't think that we are developing things for the right motives.
00:42:41.000So I'd have to say it's not even theological for me.
00:42:46.000The interesting thing to me is I think we're just looking for what the right answer is in every circumstance, right?
00:42:51.000We're looking for the Kantian categorical imperative.
00:42:54.000I just real quick, I, it is an interesting question.
00:42:58.000But the thing is, developing this technology where hypothetically, you could you could put a child at the very early stages in into like an artificial womb.
00:43:06.000I think it's it's good to develop that kind of technology for the situation we were talking at the beginning, which is in a medical emergency.
00:43:33.000I just want to say, even intuitively, when we look at this potential technology, this hypothetical device, No one would argue that it would be better for a child to develop in an artificial womb rather than within the body of their own mother.
00:43:49.000So, at the very least, there would need to be some kind of justification, the likes of which you laid out.
00:43:52.000These scenarios where a child needs to be delivered... I think we have no idea what the effect of... If it was death or artificial womb, you'd take our word for it.
00:43:57.000I don't know what the effect of creating motherless orphans would be.
00:44:02.000I think that that is really something that hasn't been explored.
00:44:05.000To not know your mother in that sense.
00:44:07.000We have not seen a human being who doesn't know their mother in that sense.
00:44:10.000And I think that we would end up with something a little along the lines of a sociopathic crazy person.
00:44:15.000Let's pull up this next story from Law and Crime.
00:44:18.000ACLU sues Alabama Attorney General over devastating new law making medical care for transgender youth a felony.
00:44:40.000And I think there's a framing issue here that at the very least suggests this country is totally fractured by moral framework.
00:44:48.000Medical care to the left is a 12 year old biological male says, I don't feel right.
00:44:54.000So they say, okay, we're gonna give you surgeries, which could, you know, permanently alter damage your body or restrict your body in some way that we, we do that for only gender ideology based circumstances.
00:45:13.000On the left, it's affirmation and medical care.
00:45:16.000The issue I take with this is just, if a 12-year-old boy said, I'm dysmorphic and I need to cut my hand off, We would not say, well, for the sake of the child, we'll remove their hand.
00:45:25.000But we are seeing young women get double mastectomies, even at the age of 13 in some circumstances.
00:45:34.000So I do want to point out that framing, but then just generally open up the conversation to what we're seeing with these states that are banning this.
00:45:42.000And then there are other states that are going the other direction.
00:46:31.000It's also, I mean, it's the body of the brain as well.
00:46:34.000Yeah, and so, this is horrible framing.
00:46:36.000These people are obviously perfectly happy to be misunderstood as implying this is a law which would say that a kid could not receive a necessary procedure to save their life because they're transgender.
00:47:12.000But in the United States, they argue that's conversion therapy and wrong and shouldn't be allowed.
00:47:16.000Well, I was just going to say that the problem we're seeing today has nothing to do with science, and I think we should have seen back in the day when the humanities were usurped educationally.
00:47:26.000We'd make fun of them, like, oh, do you want to go take a class to where you discuss how you feel about an author's book in The American Dream and Great Gatsby, or do you want to study engineering?
00:47:34.000Not realizing that the great thinkers and the ideologues, the people who study the humanities and create these ideas, the philosophers, etc., that are out there, and even people that study English, as we look down upon them, they took a hold of the subjects that we disregarded, and they changed the language.
00:47:47.000They actually, from the ground up, have redefined the ability to define terms.
00:47:51.000The average person doesn't know what science is, they don't really understand engineering, but they can read a news article written for a fourth grade level reader.
00:47:58.000And so I was talking to a transgender Antifa, we were talking about this earlier, a trans
00:48:59.000And that's what we have to ask them. What do you mean now by genocide?
00:49:01.000Because we have no absolute truth. He goes, well, you know, that's taking kids away from
00:49:07.000parent parents who want to get, you know, gender reaffirming surgery and hormone therapy.
00:49:12.000And, you know, and I'm like, that's weird for me because I thought genocide involved killing
00:49:16.000and all the genocidal maniacs and tyrants of the years apparently wasted a lot of resources.
00:49:20.000They could have just used child protective services and took the kids away for two weeks and they would have done, I guess, the racial cleansing that they desired.
00:49:25.000But I go, well, what are you talking about?
00:49:27.000And then he brings up the fact, as per mentioned, that this is this new thing called social murder.
00:49:32.000And so this idea of the fact that if you withhold trans Uh, reaffirming, and I'm using their words, reaffirming surgery, you are leading to the increased suicide rate of trans kids.
00:49:40.000Therefore, your actions are the murderous actions and your choice to limit is murder.
00:50:00.000So you're a 22-year-old who started taking Estradol and different types of blockers and whatnot at 22, and now you're trying to tell me what a 9-year-old should be doing?
00:50:35.000And then it turns out that actually he would have been a gay man and has never had a sexual experience when he talks to friends and friends are very dismayed by this.
00:50:48.000And in the article, Corinne talks about how Never having experienced this, you know, they don't really
00:51:40.000Elijah brought up the uh words and the way that words are manipulated. I think this is really
00:51:45.000important because we have to understand is on the other side the sane side of this trans discussion
00:51:49.000we are so behind we're We're playing catch-up right now because the language is so totally controlled by the left, even to the extent of every time we use the word gender, we are actually assenting to the left's framework.
00:52:04.000That word itself was introduced into the language the way that it's used now.
00:52:09.000by the people who invented gender ideology for the purpose of mainstreaming it.
00:52:15.000It's actually really fascinating to the whole language thing because I was in the arts for most of my most of my
00:52:21.000career most of My adult life and I could see this, you know this starting
00:52:25.000and you know Artists started becoming arts activists instead and it
00:52:30.000started being like oh when you do when you write a play it should be
00:52:34.000It should be not just art not just aesthetic But there needs to be this activist a backbone to it and
00:52:40.000you could see people changing the language Intentionally and it started you know we had the whole PC
00:53:20.000I want to just ask, you know, it's a legitimate question that I know we'll never get answered because the response on the left will be like, it's a bad faith question.
00:53:28.000If a kid was, there's general body dysmorphia, dysphoric disorder or something like that.
00:53:33.000I talked about this on the Joe Rogan podcast with Jack Dorsey.
00:53:35.000If someone, and they do, they feel like their fingers need to be removed, they feel like their hand is torn.
00:54:00.000There's a study that was done in 2018 looking at the results of the quality of life.
00:54:06.000Would we give a 13-year-old boy large breast implants if he said that they would make him feel better and he was depressed?
00:54:12.000I think overwhelmingly most parents, even parents who want to affirm their kids, they'd probably look at that and think twice and be like, wait a minute, this doesn't seem right because breast implants are not typically associated with someone seeking to, like a young boy who's feeling, you know, depressed.
00:54:28.000And even a young girl wouldn't have double D's or something like that.
00:54:31.000But I'm wondering at what point we actually start seeing this.
00:54:34.000Yeah, so obviously at the present moment, the left would at the very least pretend to be horrified by the idea of removing a child's pinky because they've decided that they don't want to have it at an early age.
00:54:43.000But if you ask any grown man, what would you rather have happened?
00:54:45.000Would you rather have lost your pinky finger as a child, or would you rather have lost the ability to fully develop reproductively as a child?
00:54:52.000Any man would tell you he would rather have lost his pinky.
00:55:20.000I think they'll look at healthy married couples and say, I wish I could have had something like that, because there's an innate drive within the human person.
00:55:29.000We have a case study on this, and John Money did that.
00:55:35.000He's the guy who invented gender ideology, and he did that to a young boy, a baby, castrated a young boy, and told the parents to raise the boy as a girl.
00:55:48.000And, but it didn't, the girl identity didn't take hold because he's not a girl.
00:55:58.000Him and his brother both killed themselves.
00:55:59.000And he performed sexual experiments on them as well.
00:56:02.000He was a disgusting pervert on every level.
00:56:04.000But this is actually an argument the left counters with that it proves gender identity is inherent in a person, right?
00:56:11.000That even though this person who didn't choose to went through this, Later in life, they said, no, I am male and always was.
00:56:18.000The left argues that certainly there are people who are born male or female and then later come to realize they have an alternate gender identity.
00:56:25.000Well, what the left... I mean, sex is inherent.
00:56:29.000Gender is a completely nonsensical term that was first developed by the man who performed this sick sexual experiment on children.
00:56:35.000It was a complete failure, but he reported it as a success.
00:56:38.000It was printed in medical textbooks as a success.
00:56:41.000And as a matter of policy in many hospitals, as a result of his lies, many boys who underwent botched circumcision were transitioned as infants.
00:56:50.000Yeah, and I've heard that claim from the other side saying, oh no, John Money actually proves that we're right.
00:56:56.000But no, if gender is determined partially by society and environment and everything, and that's what John Money believed, he's the guy who came up with this stuff, then this should have worked and it didn't.
00:57:05.000So he actually disproved his own theory in this horrific years-long experiment that he ran on these kids.
00:57:13.000The thing about gender, you have a definition up there.
00:57:16.000Originally, gender is a linguistic term that refers to words, like words have gender, masculine or feminine, and John Money's the one who said that, oh no, people have gender too.
00:57:56.000I mean, now the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects gender identity in the same way that it protects, you know, women.
00:58:06.000That wasn't that was amended nationally?
00:58:08.000Well, it's not like they haven't gone back and rewritten the amendment, but the executive orders that Biden signed essentially do that.
00:58:15.000Well, in most states have actually passed these these civil rights amendments that say gender identity is protected as well.
00:58:23.000The question then is, how do you define gender identity?
00:58:26.000And this is where things get more difficult.
00:58:28.000In New York, for instance, it's defined as a person's self-expression.
00:58:32.000Because, you know, I pulled up the word gender on Wikipedia, and it says, the range of characteristics pertaining to femininity and masculinity, and differentiating between them.
00:58:41.000The challenge is, the modern left ideology suggests that a dress is not inherently feminine or masculine, in which case it's not a part of gender.
00:58:50.000So if you have somebody who has long hair and wears makeup and, you know, wears bras and female clothing, that isn't, according to their own ideology, inherently feminine and gendered.
00:59:00.000In which case, the whole thing starts to become illogical, I suppose.
00:59:05.000How does a child know they're transgender if a little girl says she likes playing with trucks in the color blue?
00:59:11.000They might say, well, you like things boys like.
00:59:13.000No, because girls can like trucks in the color blue.
00:59:17.000They're both telling us that gender stereotypes are a problem and need to be abolished and that you can tell what your gender identity is based on which gender stereotypes you adhere to.
00:59:50.000In breaking down sexual boundaries is fantastic if you're in a position of power and rather than having a healthy functioning society, you'd rather have one where people look up to and they're very easy to control.
00:59:58.000And the best way to break down sex relationships, the best way to break down the family after you've already done things like made contraceptives widely available and socially acceptable is to go for the actual direct definition of sexuality and completely collapse it so that the sexes have no hope of ever developing any understanding of how they should relate to each other from their society.
01:00:19.000Right, so let's talk about what's happening with kids here, because we have this story from Fox News.
01:00:25.000New Jersey sample lesson plans push videos for 5th graders on graphic sex-related content.
01:00:32.000This was the stuff released by Lips of TikTok, right?
01:00:39.000Yeah, so it seems like we're seeing an inversion, almost, of what Florida is doing, where Florida's like, hey, look, you know, third grade and below, it's hands off.
01:00:48.000After, you know, fourth grade and up, you can have these conversations without parental consent, which I also think is still kind of crazy, because parents should be signing off on, you know, curriculum and knowing what's going on.
01:00:57.000But now we're seeing schools Having graphic sex-related content for even fifth graders.
01:01:03.000I think this is a great argument for Chris Rufo's whole transparency and education thing, which I love this idea that curriculum needs to be posted before the beginning of the year so you can see what's going on.
01:01:15.000I like it for this reason and I like it just so that I would know what my kid is up to and I can help study.
01:01:21.000What's interesting in New York is you have the unelected Governor Kathy Hochul pushing for similar kinds of stuff as New Jersey, thoroughly opposed to the Parental Rights and Education Bill in Florida, and you have Andrew Giuliani Who is also running for governor saying that he's interested in having a parental rights and education bill in New York.
01:01:47.000I think it's going to come down to I think a lot of that's going to really come up in that in that in that in that what do you call race in that race?
01:01:55.000I was gonna say, but with this stuff, what's so insane is that with talking to the kids about this stuff, I've looked at some of these lesson plans, of course, just out of educational responsibility, not because I wanted to learn.
01:02:05.000And the way that they actually teach the kids about sex is so inaccurate, it's absolutely crazy.
01:02:10.000So you thought porn was a bad educator for children?
01:02:15.000They're not calling people kids anymore, and they're not using the difference between adults and children, but they're using this phrase called young people, which is this idea of children.
01:02:24.000So that's the new hot phrase that they're using, young people.
01:02:27.000And this idea of taking away man and woman, old and young, adult and child, and everyone's a person X, like a latinx.
01:02:33.000We're all vague and we're all a person.
01:03:10.000And I'm going, okay, I understand exaggeration and art, but if we're going to teach kids about accuracies of sex, why are you using cartoons with penises this four feet long?
01:03:42.000When you actually pull up the document, it actually has on it...
01:03:46.000Pre-kindergarten through high school, 1st July 2020 to June 2021.
01:03:49.000It sounds like they're already doing it.
01:03:52.000And now I have questions about the website, but the website is linked through the Maryland.gov portal.
01:03:57.000So this is coming out of Maryland's public school website, this document, talking about pre-kindergarten through high school and what they're going to be teaching these kids.
01:04:05.000I don't think that it's planned opposition to what's happening in Florida.
01:04:10.000I think what Florida is, is in effective opposition to what they've already been doing.
01:04:15.000And it was already happening in Florida, too.
01:04:17.000This is, by the way, talking about the history of things.
01:04:21.000That started with Alfred Kinsey, who's another pedophile, and expressly wanted to sexualize children, believed that children are sexual literally from birth.
01:04:31.000And there's a whole story there, it's totally horrifying, but comprehensive sex education goes back to him, it starts there.
01:04:36.000And so it is, from the beginning, an effort to sexualize children, to sexualize them also kind of based, in this kind of circular way, on the idea that children are already sexual from birth.
01:04:47.000And the thing about that that's so insidious because we see that, oh, they're teaching this stuff to preschoolers.
01:04:52.000I mean, it's horrifying, but it's actually not surprising because, well, of course they want to get to the kids that young, because when you're that when you're four years old, I mean, these are the kids who believe, you know, in Santa Claus.
01:05:04.000They believe they think that Spider-Man is real.
01:05:06.000So at that age, psychologically, they cannot distinguish.
01:05:10.000They actually cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy.
01:05:12.000If you go to a four year old, And you say to the four-year-old, Superman doesn't exist.
01:05:18.000They won't even know what you mean by that.
01:05:22.000And so, that's... The left's ideas, especially about gender, are so...
01:05:28.000Ridiculous and insane that they have to get to the kids that young at an age where they don't have the mental capacity to see it for the absurdity that it is.
01:05:37.000And if you can indoctrinate them that young, then you get them potentially for life.
01:05:40.000What's funny to me is that's what I was told growing up about Christianity, was that the church tries to get the kids so that they grow up indoctrinated in the church and dogma and things like that.
01:05:50.000And now we're I got to say it is fascinating to see that when it comes to critical race theory,
01:05:55.000gender ideology and the general woke cult, it seems that they're doing a lot of what the left
01:05:59.000claimed the right did a long time ago. Like they're they're arguing the other side does it,
01:06:03.000but they're doing the difference is. So, yeah, you hear that argument about that's what that's
01:06:07.000really what religions do. And the left makes that argument.
01:06:10.000It's actually interesting because what they're essentially admitting is that gender ideology is a religion.
01:06:16.000At least we have it in the right category.
01:06:18.000It's actually a religious point of view.
01:06:19.000But the difference is that with Christianity, you can ask really difficult questions And in fact, for most Christians who are informed, they want to have that conversation.
01:08:03.000That's not, um... If you're disparaging someone for their veteran status, that's different from criticizing the broader ideology in which they've taken a part of it.
01:08:13.000You're saying, hey, like, and I've heard people say this all the time, we should have never been in that war, you know, and I've literally watched this not only on YouTube, but in every social media, something to this regard of going, Yeah, you know, imagine your brother died in Afghanistan and then you see now the pullout, especially when we were leaving and that the war, they say, was for nothing.
01:08:28.000And what do you feel about your brother's death?
01:08:30.000I mean, that would be something that I would say as a family member.
01:08:32.000Imagine I'm heartbroken and I'm sitting there and someone's railing onto it.
01:08:35.000It might put me in a position where I would feel unstable emotionally.
01:09:54.000I would say perhaps these pieces line up, but I would also be careful because that's
01:10:01.000the territory where you're far removed from the average person who doesn't understand
01:10:06.000It's very, very simple to go to a middle-class working family and say, you know, would you be in support of your 13-year-old son getting large breast implants and them being like, excuse me, get out of my house.
01:10:15.000It's much different if you go to them and say, let me break down very quickly for you this depopulation agenda, why I think they're doing these things.
01:10:23.000This is the issue, you know, it was really funny.
01:10:24.000I went on Candace Owens' show earlier and she was fantastic, by the way.
01:10:28.000But she mentioned, we were talking about Alex Jones and how, you know, a lot of what he says might be too colorful for regular people to understand.
01:10:35.000When he, you know, I mentioned the media comes out and says, you know, he's yelling the frogs are gay or whatever.
01:10:40.000I mean, not overtly about frogs being gay, but that, you know, there's a chemical that was, you know, causing problems, and, you know, for frogs, and I said, right, right, a chemical called atrazine was reportedly interfering with the endocrine systems of frogs, and Alex Jones yelled out, turn on the frogs, gay, or whatever.
01:10:56.000And the media takes that to poison the well.
01:10:59.000So I try to be careful with messaging, but I get what you're saying.
01:11:01.000I think it's more tactful to just approach the issues individually, because I think most regular working people agree that individually these things are all issues we're facing.
01:11:11.000Well, it is interesting, I think, with the climate change specifically, because there is this, you guys have heard of Extinction Rebellion?
01:11:19.000Oh, I've met a lot of those guys before.
01:11:27.000And I hope they, you know, maybe they don't have them.
01:11:30.000But that's sort of the idea, is that people should not have children, that it's a drain on the Earth's resources and all of this.
01:11:36.000But it's like the less people we have, the less resources we're going to have, because there's going to be less people to do the work to gather the resources or to create the new things.
01:11:45.000To be fair real quick, they're saying The amount of, say, oil in the ground will be consumed by a billion people, but a million people will consume a, you know, order of magnitude, several orders of magnitude less.
01:11:59.000They're not saying that they're, you know, like, I understand what you mean.
01:12:02.000There'll be less refined resources, but their argument is... Yeah, it's so rare we can't even drill for more.
01:12:09.000They value the earth over the earth's inhabitants.
01:13:13.000Meaning, you know, they look at these charts and say, oh, we're going to have 10 feet of water rise in 100 years, burying cities, 200 feet in the next thousand, and it's going to wipe out all these cities.
01:13:35.000They said, at the turn of the century, we are going to be buried under horse manure in New York City because there's too many horses and too much manure.
01:14:09.000It's like, yes, but are there enough humans to disrupt a large chemical process, say, in the North Atlantic Current?
01:14:15.000My issue is I do think population density is a huge problem.
01:14:18.000New York is a large concrete block that can't sustain itself, and it creates massive pools of waste and an insane Yeah, but that's... the problem is the way humans are choosing to congregate.
01:14:28.000But you could take the entire population of the globe and put them in Texas, and they'd still have a good amount of space.
01:14:32.000It's just that we... you know, you have these vast expanses of land that aren't used, and we choose to pile into cities and so on, so that's... But that's true, but consider this.
01:14:41.000You know, you could take the entire... you said the entire population of the planet, pile them in Texas, right?
01:14:47.000prices. How much ammonia needs to be produced to disrupt the, you know, the
01:14:53.000the oceans ecosystem or a natural cycle of like the ecosystem on this planet.
01:14:59.000We don't need to flood the planet with ammonia, we don't need to, but, or you know
01:15:03.000other chemicals, but humans do produce waste products and it's not just, you
01:15:07.000know, the human literal waste products.
01:15:09.000It's, uh, chemical byproducts and plastics.
01:15:11.000So my, my concern is the amount of waste produced by humans to disrupt the entire planet is probably not as, it's not going to be like, you know, 10% of the planet surface of garbage destroys the planet.
01:15:23.000It could be 0.01 causes a chemical disruption, which disrupts the ecosystem.
01:15:28.000We've seen things like dead zones in the Gulf, dead zones in oceans where there's no oxygen and no life can live.
01:15:34.000And there's the North Pacific garbage gyre.
01:15:36.000The garbage gyres are really, really bad.
01:15:38.000And this has an impact on life cycles of the entire planet.
01:15:43.000Like that, for example, is not a population problem per se.
01:15:46.000It's just what the people are choosing to do.
01:15:50.000You could go to some of these rivers in Asia are just moving garbage dumps.
01:15:54.000People just throwing their waste products into the river.
01:15:59.000Meanwhile, like in America, we're blaming ourselves because of our plastic straws or whatever.
01:16:02.000And now we've got paper straws and they suck.
01:16:34.000But mathematically, it's obvious that it exists.
01:16:37.000Now, my point on top of this is, so I think pollution is a problem.
01:16:41.000I think we should be aware of that and do our best to mitigate that, to live as clean as possible, minimize our entropy, maximize our entropy.
01:16:48.000But also in the process, we should be colonizing other planets.
01:16:51.000We should be doing scientific advancement.
01:16:53.000We should be launching space stations.
01:16:54.000I think we should be doing all of that stuff.
01:16:56.000I think we should be totally, like, using the resources we have to bust out of the solar system.
01:17:16.000A real answer is... Fun is a real answer.
01:17:18.000Humanity could be wiped out by a single comet right now.
01:17:20.000If we had but a small space station on Mars, the humans on Mars would not be impacted by a crisis on Earth in the same way, making us more resilient and more prone to survival.
01:18:31.000We had the exploration age, and we had people on ships, and they were going across uncharted waters, and we don't have that anymore, so where do you go now?
01:18:38.000Look at the copious amounts of money that it's taking to fund this stuff.
01:18:41.000I bring up this problem with it, and this is an interesting perspective that I think really deviates if you hold a Christian worldview or an atheist worldview that I think we have to understand.
01:18:50.000Because, obviously, if you're eschatologically, you know, sound in some way, even if you are in another religion, but specifically Christianity, which is the major religion in the United States, you know, there's this understanding that, at the end times, it says that people will be saying, like, life always has been and always will be.
01:19:05.000They will be trading when God comes to judge the world.
01:19:08.000In that way, then, there's an understanding that judgment comes when God comes to judge the world.
01:19:11.000In the end of the age, the end of the world is in God's hands, and we're not going to just get struck with a comet.
01:19:16.000However, if you don't believe that, Then I totally even understand what you're saying, because that is a total probability.
01:19:21.000Scientifically, what you're saying, by the way, makes 100% logical to me.
01:19:23.000But I want to make this point, though, about the colonization is sometimes I think that humans, we have this big man syndrome where I agree with the exploration.
01:19:31.000And my wife was really having a difficult time.
01:19:33.000I've been watching, like, cave accidents.
01:19:35.000And she's like, why are people going into caves?
01:19:38.000And this is where I would concede your point.
01:19:40.000I said, dude, exploration and this idea of pushing the boundaries is part of the human spirit that God gave us.
01:19:47.000Going into space is sort of a taxpayer-funded burden that I feel in many ways.
01:19:51.000I mean, the privatization of it, what's happening now, is still very interesting as we're moving in that.
01:19:55.000But overall, it's been very costly, and I've always wondered, those resources and that movement with going to Mars almost seems like a distraction.
01:20:01.000Like, we talk about, you know, he's going into space, and it's like, we have problems here that I don't think those actually solve.
01:20:07.000Yeah, but when we when we when we start exploring there's a couple points that have to be made
01:20:12.000Yes technological advancements that came from taxpayer-funded space exploration last yeah and the money is spent doesn't
01:20:21.000leave anywhere in It's cycled into the economy and it's good for the economy that people are working on these technologies.
01:20:26.000Often when we have factories machining a lot of these parts, they remain and can machine other parts.
01:20:31.000So technological advancement is just good across the board.
01:20:36.000It gives us a place to put our fantasies and our imaginings and our hopes for the future.
01:20:42.000You're asking what problem does it solve?
01:20:44.000Well, I think our most fundamental problem in our society right now is malaise and despair.
01:20:51.000People have just given up on life, given up on life having any meaning.
01:20:54.000And I'm not saying that space exploration solves that, but it helps anyway in that regard.
01:20:59.000I mean, when was the last time that the United States of America were united together over something good that happened, celebrating a good thing that happened?
01:21:08.000When's the last time that we had that, the United States?
01:22:12.000But new technology always exists for the wealthy.
01:22:14.000And also, we had, you know, we had a government-funded space program that has now brought us to a point where we have private citizens who are able to further space research.
01:23:16.000He did a whole episode on the possibility of aliens and extraterrestrial life that I would really suggest the audience check out if they're interested in that kind of question.
01:23:25.000But I personally, I don't know that I would have much to say about that.
01:23:30.000I'm not sure the theological implications of extraterrestrial life.
01:23:36.000Wouldn't it be the craziest thing if like we land on this planet and we walk out and the first thing they say is, I'd like to have you heard about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
01:23:54.000Lewis talked a lot about this and wrote, you know, wrote science fiction.
01:23:58.000And so he even speculated about, because we believe in the Christian faith that we're a fallen species, could you have, if there's another planet out there separated by light years and galaxies, could they even potentially be unfallen?
01:24:13.000Maybe they had their own choice, they made the right choice.
01:24:15.000And then what are the implications of us kind of mixing, do we, You guys ever watch American Dad?
01:24:19.000of like the serpents in the garden now where we are the tempters.
01:24:59.000I mean, to me, it just seems like the classic argument I find really compelling, which is just like a mathematical certainty, basically.
01:25:06.000When you consider the expanse, just the sheer unimaginable size of the universe, you've got a hundred billion galaxies with a hundred billion Stars in each one, and then each surrounded by planets.
01:25:16.000The idea that the entire thing is empty of life, to me, is just an absurdity.
01:25:23.000I don't see any reason to assume that.
01:25:24.000But I think that if someone who says they think it's all empty, it's almost like the burden of proof is on you, in a way.
01:25:37.000I think for me, I would not eliminate it as a possibility, but I would say I would need to see some evidence or proof that they exist because the argument is often made there are so many planets that could potentially have life on them.
01:25:50.000But the problem with that is, first, you're assuming that life arising is an odds game, rather than an intentional act by a creative God, which is what I believe.
01:25:57.000But even if it is an odds game, you're assuming that you have some idea of what the odds are.
01:26:01.000So let's say there's a billion habitable planets.
01:26:03.000Well, what if odds are only one in a billion?
01:26:05.000Then it would make sense that Earth is the only planet with life.
01:26:07.000Or, what if God intended to create life on other planets?
01:26:14.000It's like if you walk into a giant mansion with like hundreds of rooms and you're just right in the foyer and then you kind of look around and say, I think the whole place is empty.
01:26:25.000If you were to say that, then it's like, then I'm going to say to you, well, why are you assuming that?
01:26:29.000It just, it seems like the most logical thing to assume is that there's probably people in this house somewhere.
01:26:33.000What if it's totally unfurnished and dusty and there's no shoes around and everything's covered in shoes and you've walked in?
01:26:41.000But in this analogy, all you see is literally the foyer.
01:26:56.000I just feel like, from my worldview, I genuinely believe that life was intentional.
01:27:01.000And because of how I believe the fallen nature of our closed universe really is, I believe that the curse that God judges based off of the action of man, it would be unfair to then judge that onto somebody else, at least that's intelligent.
01:27:12.000Now if there was something unintelligent or some smaller form of simpler life form, obviously even the curse of man passes down to animals and lower life form here, so I guess that could exist.
01:27:21.000However, I don't mock that because I do believe in the supernatural, which is even crazier.
01:27:26.000There's so many people that don't believe in God, think the supernatural makes you a kooky guy, but then they believe in aliens.
01:27:30.000So I'm not going to do the opposite back and like I don't believe in supernatural.
01:27:35.000I do believe there's something else out there.
01:27:37.000I just do not believe it is physical and I believe the physical was created here.
01:27:39.000Can I just point out too that I think I do think it's strange that there are atheists who believe in ghosts.
01:27:46.000But here's the thing, you guys are talking about like where this fallen, that humanity has fallen.
01:27:51.000I think it's really sort of lucky that we were ejected from the garden and that we discovered our free will and I think it gives us a much closer relationship with God to choose that relationship as opposed to just being, you know, the children in the garden who are naked and innocent.
01:28:05.000I think it's, you know, God gave us that free will and now we have the free will to love God fully.
01:28:14.000Well, we had free will from from the beginning, but now we live more separated from God because of the fall, which is is taking us down a path away from aliens.
01:28:22.000But it also I mean, we're going to the border.
01:28:49.000I think it's good where we turned out.
01:28:51.000Yeah, I actually, I just want to clarify a little bit because you brought up this idea of going into a house and you see the foyer and there's a lot of rooms.
01:28:58.000My point is not that I'm dismissing the possibility or saying absolutely no, there's nothing out there.
01:29:02.000It's just that until I saw someone there or had an indication that there was someone there, I wouldn't assume that anyone else was in the house.
01:29:08.000Well, I think just the fact that the house exists and there's so many rooms is a pretty good... It's not proof, but you have a pretty good reason to assume that there's probably people in it somewhere.
01:29:19.000So I think the assumption that it's empty is the one that needs more evidence.
01:29:23.000Well, I'm not even necessarily saying it's empty.
01:29:24.000I'm just saying, in order to believe in aliens, I think I would have to say, yes, I think they're there, and I'm not prepared to say that, given what I know.
01:29:32.000So talking about the intentionality that God creates for a reason, which of course we all believe, so then what I would ask you guys is, We have all of these galaxies and solar systems that we can't even see.
01:29:43.000We can't even look up at the sky and see that, oh, it's a pretty light, because the light hasn't even reached us yet.
01:29:48.000And all just trillions of planets and everything.
01:30:06.000So I watched this really excellent lecture by this very Christian scientist.
01:30:11.000He drew an interesting conclusion, but what he said was Jupiter is essentially a filter for the solar system, that its gravitational pull helps protect the inner planets, and that the Earth should be peppered with much more space debris, but Jupiter protects us.
01:30:25.000And so he went on to explain how we're actually quite fortunate that life has arisen on Earth, but it's because of the entirety of the solar system that created this machine that we don't realize in the long run, that perhaps in the development of life at whatever stage, you know, one impact could have wiped out all life, like we already know with the dinosaurs, assuming that is the correct theory these days, they change it very often.
01:30:47.000But Jupiter protects us, so the shape of the solar system matters.
01:30:50.000I wonder if the rest of the universe matters too.
01:30:54.000I personally don't think that... I agree with you, Matt, that the expanse of the universe, I believe, suggests life probably exists somewhere else.
01:31:12.000I hope I'm wrong on this one in some ways, because being somebody who really does love the physical approach to these things, It is so interesting that with everything we've put into space, and everything that we've tried to understand, that we have not found the viable forms of life we've actually tried to look for.
01:31:27.000And maybe we're just way behind in our development and our technology.
01:31:31.000And I'm ashamed in that, in the fact that I do believe in, like, it's good to study the stars and understand paths and whatnot.
01:31:37.000But I also think, I don't know, going out there just trying to find life on other planets... Well, that's not the only thing.
01:31:50.000They're like, hey guys, look at those UFOs.
01:31:52.000And we're all, you know, extraterrestrials.
01:31:54.000What if the reality is aliens have already come here quite normally and boringly as say tourists, but they get stopped by intergovernmental panels who are like, humans do not know about this.
01:33:06.000It's the Great Zoo hypothesis to Fermi's Paradox.
01:33:10.000That maybe we are just a great zoo for the universe and the reason, you know, all these other great civilizations talk to each other all the time, and then Earth is just entertainment for them, so we're just not relevant.
01:33:20.000And that's why they're not getting back to us on our gold record that we sent out there.
01:33:36.000I always go with the more depressing theory, which is that maybe civilization just reaches a point where it can't progress.
01:33:42.000You reach a certain point where self-destruction is inevitable.
01:33:46.000Well, actually, Seamus said we were spitballing some ideas, and Seamus had a great idea where it's like, the year is 2270, and like some guy travels to the future and everything's the exact same.
01:34:10.000All right, how about we go to Super Chats?
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01:35:17.000I guess I guess I guess my point is people talk about this and it's uh, you know, it's it's gross But the point is people are so ready to believe it because whether it happened or not, it's not as if it would undermine his credibility I'm sorry to say I mean, he's an old man who can't take care of himself and he's leading the country.
01:35:33.000He got a good pressing Yeah, yeah I'm not even trying to make fun of him, it's just sad.
01:35:37.000have a rare there were fact checks on that he looked lost at the White House
01:35:40.000reception and Reuters was like he did he didn't look lost at the White House
01:35:45.000reception no he was just looking for this Secretary of the Interior which he
01:35:49.000clearly lost which he couldn't find her all right here we go
01:35:52.000We got Sandy Warren says, just landed in Nashville this morning.
01:35:56.000The rain definitely wasn't something I was expecting.
01:35:58.000What sort of cultural content were you guys looking to branch into?
01:36:00.000As an army guy, I've been craving a non-satire place for military content.
01:36:05.000I don't know if that's anything, you know, we're looking at just yet.
01:36:09.000But in terms of cultural content and Nashville, we mentioned with John Rich on the show the other day that we were planning on going to Redneck Riviera, his venue, on Saturday.
01:36:17.000I think it's going to be Saturday afternoon.
01:36:19.000I don't know the exact time, so for those that were planning on being there, because I'm super excited.
01:37:22.000Well, um, the Daily Wire is getting, this is our big announcement, we're getting into children's content, so, um, get in touch with us, I guess.
01:37:30.000Would you be interested in a Chicken City children's show?
01:37:33.000I think it sounds great, I don't think you need to change it to make it a children's show, just, my kids would watch that.
01:37:39.000Like, I hear from parents, they're like, their kids are like, I wanna see the chicken party, and then they'll donate, and then the chicken party happens, and the chickens just go nuts.
01:37:57.000Can I, before we read another Super Chat, I just want to shout Ian out, because this was, this is a very packed, full house tonight, and he had to, he and I had a conversation about who was gonna do this show tonight.
01:38:06.000He very gracefully agreed to let me do it so we could have a panel of Papists.
01:39:19.000Hell out of Dallas and I'm like, I don't want to get shot in Deep Ellum.
01:39:22.000I want to go drink a beer in Nashville.
01:39:23.000Well, we, you know, actually Elijah didn't want to come on the show, but we fired up our transportation device, which ricocheted off the satellite and just beamed him here.
01:39:29.000I was literally, I was like walking to the stage and I showed up and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is my favorite LGBT author.
01:39:35.000Well, and I also, I really want to reaffirm that what that raid did is it, it vaporized him and then duplicated him elsewhere.
01:39:58.000Draconius says, I find it really interesting that the New York subway incident happened the very next day after Biden announced the radical gun control agenda.
01:40:07.000The government wouldn't create a crisis to push legislation, right?
01:40:11.000Well, I actually think it's more so just the media wouldn't over-cover certain stories and go nuts with them to pursue some kind of political agenda.
01:40:20.000You know, when Ukraine happens, all of a sudden every media outlet is like, come on, stand with Ukraine.
01:40:24.000And I'm like, you know, we don't see this for every other war the U.S.
01:40:26.000is engaged in or every other conflict.
01:40:29.000You don't got people walking around with Saudi Arabia or Yemen flags talking about conflict over there, weapons sales.
01:40:34.000You don't see it with Afghanistan or Iraq.
01:40:36.000So when the media latches on and pushes the narrative, that's the question I have.
01:40:39.000Not whether or not people stage stuff.
01:40:40.000I mean, they do, but it's also the media just being like, ooh, look at that thing.
01:40:46.000All right, Joshua Sheldon says, Matt, as to the new skirmish you're starting with libertarians, should there be a limit to using the law to cover all of morality?
01:40:56.000Should drunken hookup culture be outlawed?
01:41:00.000Well, you'd have to be more specific about outlawing drunken hookup culture.
01:41:03.000I mean, I would be... I would entertain some laws that might curtail it some, but that's kind of a broad question.
01:41:10.000I think, though, look, with the legislating morality bit, what we have to understand is that every law legislates morality, because every law is based in some sense of what is good and what is bad.
01:41:23.000Because if you weren't legislating morality, as they say, then you'd be making laws.
01:41:33.000Now, we do have laws that are legislating morality wrongly or according to the wrong moral code, but at the end of the day, it does come down to whether it's good or bad.
01:41:41.000So it's kind of like, everything that's illegal Nothing should be illegal unless it's bad.
01:41:48.000That doesn't mean that every bad thing should be illegal.
01:41:51.000There used to be laws against hookup culture basically there used to be this law
01:41:54.000There used to be a crime of seduction that I think is still on the books in Mississippi perhaps
01:41:59.000Yeah, so the crime of seduction would be if you were um, if you were a young woman who slept with a man
01:42:06.000Who had promised to marry you and you slept with him under the pretenses that he was going to marry you
01:42:10.000And then he didn't marry you you could he could be charged with the crime of seduction. Oh, wow. Yeah
01:42:24.000black czar says the failing of the drunk driver to pregnancy analogy is that it presumes it is by state design a system exists whereby one must provide vital aid to another but in reality the system predates society the umbilical cord is not a social contract what comes after is interesting all right billy two cents says just a question wouldn't a woman getting an abortion be the equivalent of hiring a hitman in that case why not punish the woman you wouldn't just punish the hitman in a similar situation What if, and just to elaborate or to expand upon this, often the assassins are government agents undercover to arrest the woman who wants to kill her husband or the husband and his wife.
01:43:04.000What if you eventually end up with G-man abortion doctors and the women go in and he pulls out his badge like, I gotcha!
01:43:11.000Well, even the law in Oklahoma doesn't punish the woman, it punishes the doctor.
01:43:14.000I'm just saying hypothetically and under this premise.
01:43:17.000Yeah, you get into this question about should you punish the woman.
01:43:20.000I mean, I think it's just like any other, just like with our murder laws that govern the murder of born people.
01:43:25.000It's, it's, it's, you look at the, at the circumstances, it's not like you have one penalty in place for murder.
01:43:31.000There's different degrees of murder and so on.
01:43:33.000So I think if abortion is characterized legally as murder, which it should be, it's going to be sort of like the same sort of thing, you know?
01:44:39.000But that doesn't mean, what is the penalty and all that?
01:44:43.000Then you have to look at the individual circumstances just like you do with any other murder.
01:44:47.000Yeah, I was asked this, well I just want to clarify, I was asked this question on the last show and my thinking at the time was basically, well, A lot of these women don't know what they're doing, etc.
01:44:56.000I think they're lied to by the abortion industry, and I still argue that we should take those things into account, but again, if we believe that it's murder, then it becomes a question of what kind of punishment, and not necessarily a question of is there punishment at all.
01:45:09.000Michael Tierney says, Tim, once they allow abortions for rape victims, false rape accusations will skyrocket and innocent men will be in prison.
01:45:19.000Will women make up rape stories just to be able to get an abortion and kill a baby and then put a guy in prison?
01:45:25.000I mean, that sounds a bit extreme, right?
01:45:27.000Well, that is one of the many problems with the rape exception, is that it's just, how do you even enforce it in the first place?
01:45:33.000So, you know, I think you shouldn't have the exception because the baby, it's wrong to kill the baby, but also, you put that exception in place, then, right, it is hard to, how do you differentiate?
01:46:42.000There's actually an anti-abortion advocate in Texas, Destiny Hernandez, do I have her name right?
01:46:50.000I don't remember exactly, but her organization works to encourage motherhood.
01:46:56.000She's not trying to change policy, she's trying to change women's minds.
01:47:01.000Brian Prius says, if an unborn person's value is dependent upon the condition of conception, is it wrong to kill the same person post-birth if conceived by rape?
01:47:14.000I was always confused by a conservative argument that there's an exception for rape and incest in terms of killing the baby.
01:47:21.000Now, you know, the argument or the discussion I'd say we had was making a person carry the baby that they didn't choose to.
01:47:28.000But I think there's that, the ultimate conclusion was a woman won't die from having the baby, but the baby will die from the abortion.
01:47:37.000And that's why I was making the point about with born children, we have no problem saying to the parent, no matter how the child was conceived, you have a responsibility to that child.
01:47:47.000And so I don't see why we can't apply the same principle.
01:47:51.000Alright, so we got a bunch of these ones, and there were some directed at you.
01:47:55.000Kyle Brussveen says, Tim Poole, quote, can't kill anyone on death row in case they are not guilty.
01:48:00.000Also, Tim Poole, in cases of rape, kill the innocent child slash victim.
01:48:06.000No, I've repeatedly said I think abortion is wrong.
01:48:08.000I think there's a challenge in answering ethical questions around what the government has the right to enforce in certain circumstances as it pertains to individuals' life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, while fully acknowledging every time that life begins at conception.
01:48:21.000I just think that there's ethical challenges.
01:48:25.000But I think if there's any issue with no middle ground, it is absolutely abortion.
01:48:29.000It is a spire, and you're on one side or the other.
01:48:33.000There's no teetering in the middle of that one.
01:48:36.000I don't know if you wanted to elaborate.
01:49:34.000Yeah, my family wouldn't exist without adoption.
01:49:36.000Yeah, I disagree with the idea of abortion as contraception.
01:49:39.000I think it used to be in this country that was the case.
01:49:42.000But now the left, modern left, is just like, why not?
01:49:45.000The other issue, too, that we have is that there's this idea that you shouldn't be ashamed of having an abortion, that you shouldn't feel bad about it.
01:49:51.000And that also, I think, is an issue that you're supposed to be like, yay, I had an abortion.
01:49:56.000You know, I saw a cake today and it was like, it's an abortion instead of it's a boy.
01:50:02.000It was like, you know, some That's also a massive thing.
01:50:06.000And that's a huge issue for me as well, that like, this is something that, you know, people, Hollywood celebrities get up and accept awards saying, I couldn't have done this if I didn't kill my baby.
01:50:15.000It's like, that's a horrifying, horrifying.
01:51:36.000I think adopting older children is a really strong, good move.
01:51:41.000All right, Sanity Clause says, the ban for talking about veteran status was specifically created to get rid of a Navy SEAL who was outing people who lied about serving slash type of service, like being a SEAL, Ranger, in combat, etc., left slanted policy not meant to protect real vets.
01:53:47.000But now we have Chicken Run 3, Chicken City, which is the next installment.
01:53:51.000Can I just say, I have this experience so often as a parent, I tried to, because that's actually a kid's movie that I can watch and endure.
01:53:59.000And I tried to show it to my kids and they just, they hated it.
01:54:03.000You know what, it's sad though because that's another form of animation that's just been lost because everything's CG now.
01:54:09.000That claymation, that film is so masterfully animated.
01:54:32.000Yeah, I'm kind of, you know, I'm branching out slowly, but right now I'm kind of settled as a woman study scholar.
01:54:37.000I saw a meme and it was like, Matt Walsh, comma, who doesn't know what a woman is, comma, and I thought it was a funny insult because I'm like, yo, it's you guys who can't answer the question.
01:54:46.000You defined it every opportunity you had so their insult is you can't when it's it's them.
01:54:52.000That's the joke Yeah, so it's like like Socrates who doesn't know what impiety was like the point is you ask the question because you know the answer But you know, they don't right It's all they can do.
01:55:01.000You know, but, uh, I mean, it's fascinating.
01:55:05.000I wonder what parents, I'm really curious to see what happens this, uh, this November.
01:55:08.000I don't think just voting Republican solves anything.
01:55:10.000I think voting in the primaries and knowing who you're voting for can help solve some things,
01:55:14.000but I'm wondering how many parents are going to be like, yeah, I'm not going to vote for
01:55:16.000those people because they can't define what a woman is.
01:55:18.000I wonder how many suburban housewives are going to be like, I think I know what a woman is.
01:55:23.000And when they try to flip it around on us, it's like, well you could, I mean I have a, I haven't even mentioned it yet, I have a movie coming out called What Is A Woman, go to whatisawoman.com, and you could easily embarrass me in particular, but a lot of us, just by giving a definition, just give a definition of the word, I've got like a book and a movie coming out.
01:55:42.000You could totally negate that and make it really embarrassing by just defining.
01:56:14.000Matt, that is weird, because what I also saw was a total gaslight recently, was people keep saying, especially conservatives, biological males and biological females, as if there is... No, but as if there is.
01:56:25.000Like, when you're in biology, you never say, well, this is a biological male, that's a male, and that's a female.
01:57:38.000So there's a privilege in that because Twitter's like, this would be bad for the platform, and it would also create a big wave of news, which we don't want, so we'll give passes to certain people.
01:57:49.000But also, I look at their rules very carefully, and I know what I tweet doesn't break the rules, and the left flips out.
01:57:54.000They're like, Tim Pool is transphobic!
01:59:01.000If you want to politicize the game and make it politics, the one guy who just stands like they normally do is now being told he's making it political.
01:59:08.000I'm like, he's the guy who's not making it political.
02:00:19.000Yeah, I was really glad that we were able to get into that.
02:00:24.000I'm totally outnumbered at the Daily Wire, by the way.
02:00:26.000We've had this conversation on the backstage shows and I'm just like, it's me against the world there on the alien topic.
02:00:32.000They don't believe it or they don't want to talk about it?
02:00:34.000You left the wrong company because I feel like I'm the one outnumbered where I'm like not big into extraterrestrial and everyone's like, I just sit there and I'm like, I'm not even gonna try to make a case because I'm sitting with like five people.
02:00:42.000It's always I'm sitting around five people that are like big on the extraterrestrial so I'm just like, whatever.
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02:01:46.000A little more quiet today, a little more pensive.
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02:01:57.000And also, I was thinking with Chicken City, I was like, dude, is there some sort of a goal?
02:02:01.000Like, if we reach a certain amount of donation number, we get to see a chicken race, and we get to see who's the real dominator.
02:02:05.000Is there any type of goals that we're reaching?
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