Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Oklahoma Gov. Signs Bill Making Abortions A FELONY w- Matt Walsh & Elijah Schaffer

00:00:04.000 The governor of Oklahoma has officially signed into law a bill banning the performing of abortions except in any circumstance to save the mother's life.

00:00:14.000 And I mean, this is the boldest move we've seen in the pro-choice, pro-life political arena.

00:00:20.000 In the past year, there's been a lot of states that have been enacting restrictions on after how many weeks can you get an abortion. 0.73

00:00:25.000 Oklahoma just went for it.

00:00:27.000 And it is widely speculated that in the next two months we could see the Supreme Court overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:00:33.000 It's looking more and more like that may be the case.

00:00:36.000 Even many left-wing activists agree.

00:00:37.000 They think it's going to be apocalyptic.

00:00:40.000 So we'll get into all of that stuff.

00:00:41.000 Plus, we've got a bunch of stories about these parental rights and education bills.

00:00:47.000 We saw this in Florida.

00:00:48.000 Many other states are seeking to enact bills that are similar.

00:00:52.000 But now we're seeing that Maryland and New Jersey are kind of going the opposite direction.

00:00:56.000 Maryland actually has a mandate that's going to require gender ideology being taught with some, let's just say, explicit I'll put it this way. 1.00

00:01:04.000 If I were to tell you what they were teaching these kids, YouTube would probably demonetize this stream.

00:01:10.000 So, don't worry, we'll explain it, but I think you get the idea through innuendo.

00:01:15.000 Plus, we got a bunch of stuff to talk about in terms of crime.

00:01:18.000 New York, obviously, there was a very serious tragic incident.

00:01:20.000 We'll talk about that.

00:01:21.000 And Oberlin College lost a major lawsuit after accusing a small banker of being racist and they're refusing to pay those fees, the settlement.

00:01:31.000 So we'll get into all of that.

00:01:32.000 Joining us today is a huge group of people, but we'll go through all of them.

00:01:36.000 We got Matt Walsh.

00:01:37.000 Thanks for hanging out, man.

00:01:38.000 Yeah, great to be here.

00:01:39.000 Excited about it.

00:01:40.000 You want to introduce yourself?

00:01:41.000 Well, you said it'd be quick, so I thought that was it, you know?

00:01:43.000 No, you can get a little bit more than that.

00:01:45.000 Well, I'm excited to be here and honored to be, you know, an LGBT author and now a women's studies scholar as well, is what I'm adding to my resume, so great to be here.

00:01:55.000 Right on, we got Elijah Schaefer.

00:01:57.000 Yeah, I'm the host of Slightly Offensive, a podcast on YouTube.

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00:02:21.000 The key thing is I've been dead inside for 28 years, so we're doing alright.

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00:04:56.000 Let's jump into this first story from TimCast.com.

00:04:59.000 Oklahoma governor signs bill making performing an abortion a felony.

00:05:05.000 The law grants an exception for abortions performed to save the life of the mother.

00:05:09.000 Governor Kevin Stitt signed Senate Bill 612 on April 12th.

00:05:13.000 The measure makes it a felony to perform an abortion except to save the life of a mother.

00:05:17.000 Anyone who performs an abortion could face up to 10 years in prison and a $100,000 fine.

00:05:21.000 The law goes into effect in 90 days.

00:05:26.000 We want to outlaw abortion in the state of Oklahoma, Stitt said during a signing ceremony.

00:05:31.000 I promised Oklahomans that I would sign every pro-life bill that hits my desk, and that's what we're doing here today.

00:05:38.000 Women who seek or receive an abortion are not subject to criminal charges under the bill.

00:05:43.000 Now my question is, Roe v. Wade still exists, right?

00:05:47.000 So, what's going on?

00:05:49.000 Well, I mean, first of all, I'm never satisfied, so the bit there about, except to save the life of the mother, I'm a little... I want to read more into that, because I don't think that exception should be there, because usually when you look into that, you find that, well, saving the life of the mother, what they're really talking about is if the mother is in emotional distress, then she can still get the abortion.

00:06:11.000 So you have to look into that, because in reality, there is never a need for an abortion to save a mother's life.

00:06:17.000 It never actually happens.

00:06:18.000 But putting that aside, I think what we see here is the Republican Party, and this is like a shock for those of us who grew up, we're so used to Republicans being milquetoast and cowardly, and many of them still are, but we're starting to see in some of these states, Oklahoma, Florida, like the Republicans are actually going on offense, which is exactly what you have to do, is go on offense and try to enact laws according to your own value system rather than always playing defense.

00:06:43.000 And if you believe that abortion Is the murder of a child, then of course you're going to do everything within your power to outlaw.

00:06:51.000 You're not going to sit around and say, well, the Supreme Court has spoken.

00:06:54.000 It's the murder of a child.

00:06:55.000 I think there's a semantic issue here as well.

00:06:58.000 So you said there's never a circumstance to perform an abortion to save the life of the mother?

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:05.000 So do you want to just elaborate on that?

00:07:07.000 Well, usually you hear about this abortion to save the life of the mother thing and these especially late term abortions.

00:07:14.000 And so what I guess you got to use an example.

00:07:16.000 So like one example would be, let's say the mother is pregnant and then has some sort of medical complication, cancer or something like that.

00:07:25.000 And you have to end the pregnancy, especially later in later term.

00:07:31.000 Well, yeah, you end the pregnancy to save the mother's life. 0.72

00:07:34.000 You don't have to kill the child first, though.

00:07:36.000 You can deliver the child. 0.98

00:07:38.000 At least try.

00:07:38.000 Yeah, you can at least attempt it.

00:07:42.000 I could submit and agree that there are times when to save the mother's life, you have to end the pregnancy, especially in later terms. 0.97

00:07:52.000 But you don't have to... Killing the child is an extra step that is not necessary.

00:07:56.000 You can deliver the child, and in many of these life-saving, quote-unquote, life-saving abortions, you have children that could be delivered, and you send them up to the NICU, and there's a good chance that the child could still survive.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, there's children that survive at, like, 21 weeks at this point.

00:08:09.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, so viability continues to get lower and lower.

00:08:13.000 So just to clarify, because I mentioned a semantic issue, what you're saying is they should at least try to save the life of the child.

00:08:20.000 Here's what abortion is. 1.00

00:08:22.000 Abortion is the direct, intentional killing of the child.

00:08:27.000 There is never a time when you need to commit the direct, intentional killing of the child to save the mother.

00:08:33.000 Well, late-term abortion doesn't make any sense.

00:08:36.000 You know, third trimester abortion is completely nonsensical because the child can survive.

00:08:40.000 Right, exactly.

00:08:41.000 Because in the late-term abortion, you're still delivering the child.

00:08:44.000 There's still a delivery that happens. 0.98

00:08:46.000 But you kill the child first. 0.99

00:08:47.000 Why do you need to kill the child? 1.00

00:08:49.000 So just deliver the child. 1.00

00:08:50.000 Just to further clarify, in the instance where there is a severe abnormality, and the baby likely will not survive, and the mother likely will not survive a birth, you're saying that if they were to deliver the baby, or maybe a C-section, they can at least try to save both?

00:09:07.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:09:08.000 Absolutely.

00:09:09.000 There's no reason why you wouldn't try to do that unless you're just saying that, well, the child's life doesn't count.

00:09:14.000 He has no moral worth, which is what our laws say right now in most states.

00:09:17.000 The child's life, he has no moral worth.

00:09:19.000 We don't have to try to save him.

00:09:21.000 It's an interesting point.

00:09:21.000 Yeah.

00:09:22.000 And I want to mention this because I basically said something along those lines on the last episode where we did discuss this.

00:09:27.000 There are procedures that will be referred to as abortions in order to make the argument that abortion is ever medically necessitated, and it's just not true.

00:09:35.000 So if there is an operation that is required to save the life of the mother, but that poses a risk to the life of the unborn child, that is not the same thing as an abortion.

00:09:45.000 And there's a principle known as the principle of double effect where you're trying to do one thing and there might

00:09:50.000 be a negative unintended consequence But it's not the same thing morally as intending to do the

00:09:55.000 secondary thing which can result yeah, that's what I was getting to is that that's a good

00:10:00.000 point because the cancer example is one where maybe the mother is diagnosed with late-stage cancer and you have to

00:10:06.000 you know chemo or something and and And there's a chance that that will kill the child.

00:10:11.000 Well, if you're not directly and intentionally killing a child, you're just you're doing a procedure to try to save the mother's life.

00:10:17.000 And tragically, the child dies in the process.

00:10:19.000 That is not an abortion. 1.00

00:10:20.000 Well, that's the same thing, too, when it comes to the medical procedure, because we're talking about euthanasia, specifically ending long-term care or making people comfortable as they die.

00:10:29.000 I mean, there's a big difference of intentionally injecting a lethal dose of an opiate to end somebody's life or some sort of a solution that would kill them versus if somebody's already on hospice.

00:10:39.000 and their organs are running at 20, 30, 40 percent capacity, and then you give them some sort of an opiate, and their

00:10:45.000 heart just simply cannot process, cannot take it, their liver cannot process the drug, so

00:10:49.000 then they go into organ failure and die.

00:10:51.000 Are you then going to say that the hospice nurse, you know, murdered the woman? Did she go in to

00:10:54.000 kill her? Did she euthanize her? No. You'd go, well, she did what she could to make her comfortable, 0.99

00:10:59.000 And that then she died and responded differently.

00:11:00.000 Yes.

00:11:02.000 And so what we always do is we put a lot of things in umbrellas.

00:11:04.000 It's like the LGBTQ community. 0.64

00:11:06.000 They keep adding letters to decide what's involved in our group.

00:11:09.000 Abortion has an expansive definition where sometimes you've even heard of

00:11:12.000 stillbirths counted as abortion.

00:11:14.000 If they force, you know, if they force the, the, the, the delivery and it's a

00:11:18.000 stillbirth, they go, Oh, well, it was an abortion because the baby was dead. 0.70

00:11:20.000 And you go, that's not an abortion. 0.99

00:11:22.000 That baby was dead.

00:11:23.000 So they forced the delivery, but it allows them to, it allows them to

00:11:26.000 umbrella to justify the means.

00:11:27.000 And that's a constant issue that I see.

00:11:29.000 And I want to make one little point here, like you were saying earlier, the problem

00:11:32.000 with the, the idea of necessity in abortion for, for women to save their lives.

00:11:37.000 I mean, if you look at what's happening in Canada right now with the euthanizing argument, they want to be able to euthanize people who suffer with depression, with schizophrenia, with anxiety.

00:11:45.000 They're pushing for this.

00:11:46.000 This is something they already do in Northern Europe, and it's really devastating.

00:11:50.000 And they actually put a young woman to death.

00:11:53.000 So you were depressed?

00:11:54.000 A few years ago.

00:11:55.000 And it's really, yeah, she wanted to be euthanized. 1.00

00:11:58.000 So you can kill your baby. 1.00

00:11:59.000 I'm depressed. 1.00

00:11:59.000 I don't want to have a baby. 1.00

00:12:00.000 So where do you draw the line of what's putting the mother's life in jeopardy?

00:12:04.000 I think, Matt, you got some nuance that is often left out of the conversation, too, because, you know, my line of questioning was certainly there's gonna be some circumstance where the mother and the baby's life are both in jeopardy, but the term abortion, I think, is often just meant to imply taking the baby out.

00:12:20.000 Afterwards, it's sort of, there's no real thought to it.

00:12:24.000 So when you explain that, well, now I understand.

00:12:27.000 If there's circumstance, and correct me if I'm wrong, in which the mother and the baby might both likely die, Well, if they have to remove the baby, they can try and save it.

00:12:35.000 Right.

00:12:36.000 And it's really a miracle, the way that our technology has progressed, that now you can deliver a baby at 21 weeks and oftentimes the child will still survive.

00:12:45.000 We're going to get to a point where Eventually we'll get to the point with the technology where a child can survive outside of the womb at any stage.

00:12:52.000 Well, we already have a federal rule, right?

00:12:56.000 We have the 14-day rule for research, where scientists, researchers, can basically take a fertilized embryo and grow it in a lab.

00:13:09.000 And you can grow it up to 14, not 14 weeks, 14 days.

00:13:12.000 You can grow it up to 14 days.

00:13:14.000 And then you can't grow it in the lab anymore.

00:13:17.000 Because then you're experimenting on humans, essentially.

00:13:22.000 Isn't it interesting how they've decided you're human at 14 weeks, but before that you're not experimenting on humans.

00:13:26.000 No, it's 14 days.

00:13:27.000 It's a 14 day rule.

00:13:29.000 So you're not allowed to experiment after 14 days.

00:13:33.000 So it counts as life in a petri dish at 14 days.

00:13:35.000 At 14 days, that's correct.

00:13:37.000 But in the womb it would not count. 0.51

00:13:38.000 That's right.

00:13:38.000 By the law.

00:13:39.000 I'm sorry, I just gotta ask.

00:13:43.000 Let's say we're at 18 weeks pregnancy and there's a medical complication where they're like, if we don't end this pregnancy, the baby and the mother will die within a week or two.

00:13:52.000 I mean, I know it's an edge case, but I'm sure there are circumstances.

00:13:55.000 What would your perspective be on something like that?

00:13:57.000 Well, this is where you get into it, and it is important to emphasize.

00:14:02.000 We're talking about a small percentage of cases, and the vast majority of abortions have nothing to do with saving the mother's life.

00:14:07.000 But in these kinds of incredibly devastating situations, then you have to fall back on these kind of philosophical distinctions like double effect.

00:14:15.000 And in a situation like that, then maybe you might perform a life-saving procedure on the mother that's almost certain to result in the death of the child.

00:14:23.000 But that's not your intention.

00:14:25.000 It's not what you're trying to do.

00:14:26.000 I see.

00:14:26.000 Right.

00:14:26.000 So that and that's the distinction.

00:14:29.000 And sometimes you get to the real fringe cases.

00:14:31.000 It does feel like you're splitting hairs, but you're actually not, because the principle is really important.

00:14:36.000 Well, there are cases where women eschew radiation treatment for cancer because they're pregnant and they don't want to. 0.97

00:14:42.000 And that's and that's heroic.

00:14:43.000 But it's like that's heroic.

00:14:44.000 But we would also I'm not going to sit here and say that if a mother needs radiation, that that I think She should be morally required to forego it.

00:14:53.000 That's a heroic thing, and I have a lot of respect for her.

00:14:56.000 I think that you could still, by principle of double effect, get the cancer treated.

00:15:00.000 Agreed.

00:15:00.000 Right.

00:15:01.000 Did you elaborate on double effect already?

00:15:03.000 Yeah, so the idea behind the principle of double effect is if you are attempting to do something which is good, but there is an outcome that is bad which can result from it, but that bad outcome is not your intention, you're not morally culpable for it in the way that you would be if you were just going out of your way to ensure that outcome.

00:15:21.000 But just to clarify, not as much as you would be.

00:15:24.000 There's a lot of good intentions.

00:15:25.000 Well, I think what I'm saying, not as much as you would be.

00:15:27.000 I want to be really clear here because I would have to reread up on this principle again.

00:15:33.000 I think it's actually the case where you're not culpable.

00:15:36.000 Yeah, this is the old tram car.

00:15:38.000 Yes.

00:15:39.000 Hypothetically, you guys know that. 0.99

00:15:40.000 But we got to clarify this because I mean, I think there are some really dumb communists, certainly there are really bad ones, but, who are thinking, you know, if I take the farm from the farmer and give it to the farmhands, I'll be doing great. 0.99

00:15:52.000 And then everyone starves to death. 0.98

00:15:53.000 It's like, they're responsible for that.

00:15:55.000 But here's the difference.

00:15:55.000 That tends to justify the means.

00:15:56.000 Exactly, that's different.

00:15:57.000 Which is totally different.

00:15:59.000 You mean it's... I mean... They're directly doing something which is intrinsically immoral, which is stealing somebody else's property.

00:16:05.000 So let's get into the tram.

00:16:06.000 I see, I see what you're saying.

00:16:07.000 The tram thing, if I remember correctly, it's like a thought experiment where there's a train coming down the track, and there's like five people tied to the track, and you're standing next to the switch, and you could pull the switch and send the train on a different track, but there's one guy on that track.

00:16:22.000 Is it okay to pull the lever and send it off to save the five people?

00:16:27.000 And the answer is yes, because your intention is to save the five.

00:16:30.000 You're not trying to kill the one guy.

00:16:32.000 On the other hand though...

00:16:33.000 I disagree with that analogy.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, I disagree.

00:16:35.000 Really?

00:16:36.000 Yeah, no, no, because that's... if you're like, I know my action will kill somebody,

00:16:39.000 but I'm going to do it because I think one... that's utilitarianism.

00:16:41.000 Yes, it sure is.

00:16:42.000 I don't think so.

00:16:43.000 I think...

00:16:44.000 That's the argument.

00:16:45.000 Right, I think...

00:16:46.000 It's a utilitarian argument.

00:16:47.000 I think a better argument is just literally what we're talking about with a medical procedure.

00:16:49.000 A doctor says, this patient has a tumor next to an artery.

00:16:54.000 If I don't remove it, they'll die in a year, but there's a risk they die in the process.

00:16:59.000 And they say, I'm gonna intervene. 0.96

00:17:02.000 If the person dies, we're not gonna be like, you murderer!

00:17:04.000 We're gonna be like, you're trying to save somebody.

00:17:06.000 Yeah, in the train car situation, if somebody pulls that lever to save the five, not at all intending to kill the one guy, Are we gonna send that guy to jail for murder?

00:17:14.000 I mean, I think clearly we would not.

00:17:16.000 That's a good point, too, but man, is that scary.

00:17:17.000 And so the difference is, like... I wouldn't want to be that one guy, man.

00:17:20.000 Yeah, but the thing is, what if there was no lever to pull, and instead of pulling a lever, you just threw another person in front of the train to stop it from hitting the other five?

00:17:29.000 Now that would be murder, right?

00:17:30.000 So that's the principle.

00:17:32.000 I don't think it's a perfect analogy, but I do get what you're saying.

00:17:35.000 So again, not not an expert on this, but I've also heard the thought experiment put that way

00:17:39.000 What if there's just a very rotund individual who you can push in front of the trolley?

00:17:42.000 I think that's a different question As far as I'm aware, I think that's a different situation

00:17:49.000 Yeah, I I I don't think it's a perfect analogy, but I do get what you're saying. I think the issue with the trolley

00:17:54.000 problem is that

00:17:56.000 there's a guaranteed outcome of five people dying or One move which is a binary which is you know

00:18:02.000 Five people dying or the binary you taking action which kills that one person 0.97

00:18:06.000 Most people when polled say they would not pull the switch because you are choosing to kill someone to save five people.

00:18:15.000 I don't know if I agree with that analogy, simply because I think, you know, it's an issue of like an officer, a cop.

00:18:21.000 He, you know, he sees someone draw a weapon and start pointing it at children, so he pulls his gun out and says, drop it, and fires.

00:18:28.000 The bullet goes through the guy's shoulder and then hits someone behind him, severely injuring him.

00:18:33.000 We're not gonna, you know, we're gonna say, in defense of others, this is actually an affirmative defense in court cases, like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse, that you're not responsible For what's behind the person when you're acting in defense of yourself or others.

00:18:46.000 So I think it was specific, a specific circumstance.

00:18:49.000 But in the instance where Kyle was attacked, they were saying it was reckless endangerment because Richie McGinnis was close to him and the bullet could have gone through and hurt him.

00:18:56.000 But ultimately, the court decided, no, he can't be responsible.

00:18:59.000 Someone was threatening his life and he took action to protect himself.

00:19:03.000 I think that's kind of a better way to look at it, I suppose.

00:19:05.000 Yeah, I mean, not to get too into the weeds with the trolley problem, but I think there's a very good argument to be made that when you pull that lever, your intention is not to kill any individual person, it's to divert the train from hitting those five people, and it would be morally different if you actually had a vendetta against that one person laying on the track, and your intention was to kill them, because that would tell us, A, about your future behavior, B, what your decision-making process is, whether you're dangerous, and C, whether you are actually intending to kill someone.

00:19:30.000 But I disagree because you know the outcome is guaranteed death.

00:19:33.000 What we're talking about is an outcome where there's a possibility of it, and you're trying to avoid that.

00:19:38.000 But there's guaranteed death in the trolley problem anyway.

00:19:42.000 What I think is most interesting about the trolley problem is that the contemplation of it itself is like the fallacy that we have control over everything around us.

00:19:53.000 You know, that we think that just because there's a problem, that means that we have the capability of solving it in some thorough and appropriate way.

00:20:00.000 And we don't.

00:20:01.000 I mean, you know, don't pull the lever.

00:20:03.000 Don't kill anybody.

00:20:04.000 Sometimes bad things happen.

00:20:06.000 Can I just say one thing about the Oklahoma thing?

00:20:10.000 Which is, Governor Stitt doesn't have control over a large part of his state, right?

00:20:15.000 Native American reservations have their own rules, and they have their own rules according to the federal government.

00:20:22.000 So any Native American reservation could open a casino abortion clinic and have that combination. 0.93

00:20:29.000 They could do the combo.

00:20:30.000 They could do whatever they want.

00:20:31.000 And there would be absolutely no ability for the governor to stop that.

00:20:36.000 Let me pull up this story we have.

00:20:37.000 This is a Daily Mail says, Sickening YouTube star couple is slammed for comparing abortion to the Holocaust and branding it the world's most deadly killer in pro-love documentary shared with 13 million followers.

00:20:51.000 Cole and Savannah LeBron have come under fire for contrasting the amount of people who got abortions to the amount who were killed during the Holocaust.

00:20:57.000 You know, the first thing I'm going to mention is frame check.

00:21:01.000 Yeah.

00:21:02.000 Do pro-life conservatives find this sickening, and are they slamming them?

00:21:06.000 Or is this the instance of pro-life personalities with large followings expressing their views, and the left opposing them calling this?

00:21:13.000 I think the Daily Mail very obviously framed this in a way that makes it appear like everybody's mad about this, but, you know, you guys who are more conservative pro-life, I'm curious what you think about this couple.

00:21:22.000 There's only one reason to be pro-life, and that is that you believe that, well, the two basic assertions of a pro-life person is that the child in the womb is a human being and that it's never okay to intentionally and directly murder an innocent human being and so if you believe both of those things then you you must agree that this holocaust comparison is valid because those are we've got 60 million abortions in in the united states of roe v wade are those human beings or not if they're human beings that's 60 million humans a 60 million people who are killed and we've never seen

00:21:56.000 The systematic slaughter of 60 million human people before anywhere on earth.

00:22:02.000 So this is a 60 million number.

00:22:05.000 Is this like what are the what are the stats behind this?

00:22:08.000 Well, what's interesting about the what's interesting about in the U.S.

00:22:11.000 abortion in the U.S.

00:22:12.000 is the largest single group of women who have abortions are black women. 0.99

00:22:17.000 I think it's like 36 percent of abortions are for are done by black mothers and And that doesn't count California, I believe, and California has the most abortions in the country.

00:22:30.000 And it doesn't count California because California doesn't keep data on the race of women who whose children are aborted. 1.00

00:22:39.000 So what I mean, it does seem to me that there is a genocide against black babies in this country.

00:22:45.000 My question is on the statistics about 60 million.

00:22:48.000 I think it's important because the data I saw says that the overwhelming majority of abortions are listed as no reason given.

00:22:54.000 So I'm wondering, you know, of the 60 million abortions, if we're gonna say it is slaughter, are some of these, you know, how would you define them?

00:23:01.000 Is this entire 60 million just, you know, abortion as contraception?

00:23:05.000 Are there, you know, medical crises or interventions?

00:23:08.000 The vast majority of cases.

00:23:10.000 That's the, like we were talking about, the medical We don't have to get into it again, but there's never actually a reason to abort a child for medical reasons.

00:23:18.000 We could even put all that aside because that's like 1% of the cases.

00:23:22.000 99% of cases are essentially abortion for contraception.

00:23:26.000 It's just you don't want the child because you don't feel like having a kid or because you don't think you can afford the child.

00:23:32.000 Real quick, because I have a philosophical, ethical, libertarian question about this that I think I'd love to hear your thoughts, Matt.

00:23:41.000 You know, personally, I have an issue with government intervention in terms of a person being required to provide their body to another person.

00:23:49.000 And so, the conundrum arises with two individuals sharing one body, and then the state determining that one person must provide that body to another person.

00:23:57.000 Typically the response I get and I accept is, well, if a woman chooses to engage in reproductive acts and then she brings into or harbors life, she's accepted a responsibility in that regard. 0.93

00:24:09.000 But then the question of rape arises.

00:24:10.000 If a woman is forced to harbor another person, then the government intervenes and says, we're going to enforce that you will provide your blood and your body to another person. 0.96

00:24:18.000 That kind of freaks me out.

00:24:19.000 Well, let me, I'll respond in general terms even.

00:24:23.000 Because what you're talking about, if that principle is true, that you shouldn't be forced to provide your body to another person, and that would apply not just to babies conceived through rape, but to all babies conceived, right?

00:24:33.000 So here's the response to that.

00:24:35.000 That's a challenge.

00:24:36.000 First of all, It turns out we as human beings are not these autonomous, free individuals who have no responsibilities to anybody else.

00:24:45.000 That's just not the reality.

00:24:46.000 We have responsibilities in society, but especially according to relationships.

00:24:50.000 So that's my problem with when it's framed that way.

00:24:55.000 Forced to provide your body to somebody.

00:24:57.000 Yeah, I shouldn't be forced to provide an organ to my neighbor, but to my child.

00:25:02.000 The relationship there carries with it certain responsibilities.

00:25:06.000 So what I would say is, let's take it outside of the womb. 0.99

00:25:11.000 Should parents be forced, quote-unquote, to care for their babies?

00:25:16.000 Or, at least, to find someone else who will?

00:25:19.000 Like, should it be legal for a mother to say of her six-month-old baby, I don't really want this baby anymore, and to just, like, throw the child in a dumpster?

00:25:27.000 Or drown the child in a bath?

00:25:29.000 Or even just leave the child at home and just go somewhere and leave?

00:25:32.000 We would say, no, you can't do that because, yeah, you don't have a responsibility to the six-month-old across the street, but that's your child.

00:25:39.000 You're their parent.

00:25:39.000 There is a difference between something that's directly connected to your bloodstream.

00:25:43.000 And this is why I say, I understand and accept the argument that if a person chooses to engage in an action, they have a responsibility.

00:25:51.000 But if someone is forced into that position, I just find it creepy that, you know, a woman can be victimized by someone, then have... I understand the child is innocent in this regard, I absolutely believe that when it comes to rape.

00:26:02.000 But then for just a person to be told by the state, the being that is harbored in your body that is using your blood and nutrients, that was put there by force, you must nurture and nourish.

00:26:14.000 Here's the thing about that, right?

00:26:16.000 It's not the law.

00:26:18.000 So we have the laws.

00:26:19.000 We have the state can tell you, you know, tells you what to do or whatever.

00:26:21.000 But the real problem is that we have a lack of a shared value system.

00:26:25.000 And if we had values that encouraged motherhood and that encouraged valuing life, regardless of what the law is, we would have less abortion, you know?

00:26:33.000 And I think that that's really important.

00:26:35.000 We need to encourage motherhood, encourage parenthood, encourage families.

00:26:40.000 And if we did that, then it doesn't matter what the law said.

00:26:42.000 People wouldn't kill their children.

00:26:44.000 I thought it was great.

00:26:45.000 Actually, I don't know if you guys read Vogue, but I was checking out Vogue and read it every day.

00:26:49.000 Right?

00:26:50.000 And Rihanna is pregnant and her and A$AP Rocky are having a baby.

00:26:55.000 And I thought it was really cool how she said, this was an unplanned pregnancy.

00:27:00.000 We weren't trying to have kids.

00:27:02.000 And immediately, as soon as she got the pregnancy test back, they were like, and now we're on this journey.

00:27:06.000 And they went for it.

00:27:07.000 They're not married yet.

00:27:08.000 They're engaged and all of that.

00:27:09.000 But I really thought that it was a very powerful statement for this extremely popular pop star to come out and say, I didn't intend to get pregnant, and I'm having my baby, and I'm stoked about it.

00:27:20.000 I love that message.

00:27:21.000 I understand that, but you know, rape is a specific... Rape is a specific thing, yes.

00:27:26.000 But you can't punish the child for the sins of the father. 0.99

00:27:30.000 If you want to execute your mother... But the mother is always punished for the sins of the father. 1.00

00:27:34.000 That happens all the time. 1.00

00:27:35.000 If you want to execute somebody for rape, execute the rapist. 1.00

00:27:37.000 I'm all about that. 1.00

00:27:37.000 So now we're going to execute the father. 1.00

00:27:42.000 She's gonna be like, abducting the single mother. 1.00

00:27:46.000 Well if it's a rapist, if you know. 0.80

00:27:48.000 No rehabilitation for the guy who just impregnated this woman.

00:27:52.000 If a person severely injures another person, and let's say they're rushed to the hospital and there's two people that

00:27:58.000 are injured and they say, this guy's heart's failing.

00:28:01.000 Hook him up.

00:28:01.000 This guy's kidney's failing.

00:28:03.000 We're gonna connect their bloodstreams.

00:28:04.000 You wake up like, hey, I didn't do this to this guy.

00:28:07.000 And they say, you can't separate because he'll die and you're responsible.

00:28:10.000 I have nothing to do with this guy.

00:28:12.000 There are so many differences between abortion and that hypothetical.

00:28:16.000 It's like a famous hypothetical.

00:28:17.000 Judith Jarvis Thompson first had that. 0.92

00:28:21.000 So many differences.

00:28:22.000 One is that unplugging yourself from someone in a hospital is different from directly and intentionally killing a baby.

00:28:31.000 Abortion is not just simply unplugging.

00:28:32.000 It's not that you're just unplugging.

00:28:34.000 You are killing the baby. 0.79

00:28:35.000 You are doing something violent. 1.00

00:28:37.000 So it would be more analogous to, oh, I don't want to be hooked up to this guy, so I'm going to put a pillow over his face and kill him. 0.96

00:28:42.000 And when you start framing it that way, all of a sudden, it takes on a different kind of feeling. 0.97

00:28:47.000 And also, again, you are disregarding the relationship.

00:28:51.000 So here's the real analogy.

00:28:52.000 What if your child is in the hospital because of something you did, and they need to be hooked up to you for a short period of time in order to survive? 0.98

00:29:05.000 I know, but would it be acceptable, because you don't want to be hooked up to your child, to put a pillow over their face and just kill them? 0.98

00:29:11.000 Of course not. 1.00

00:29:12.000 Right.

00:29:13.000 So that's, you can't ignore the relationship.

00:29:15.000 And I don't know why it's a problem to just say, just like we say to parents of born children, no matter how the kid was born, we say, you are responsible for that child.

00:29:25.000 You must take care of it.

00:29:26.000 We are requiring you by law to take care of the child or you'll go to jail or find someone else who will.

00:29:31.000 The issue is the rape.

00:29:33.000 That's the one thing that changes all of this.

00:29:35.000 Because I absolutely say, if a person chooses to engage in these behaviors, they have accepted that responsibility, and they must adhere to that responsibility.

00:29:43.000 But if a woman is walking through a park on her way home, and it's 5pm and someone grabs her and drags her into a lobby or something, or into an alley, and then she rushes to the hospital and they do a check, Then a few weeks later she finds out she's pregnant and says, I never chose this.

00:30:01.000 I resisted.

00:30:01.000 They forced it upon me and I do not want to provide my body to another person.

00:30:05.000 Would the state then say, we don't care, you have to? 0.99

00:30:08.000 Well yeah, and I think this is where the argument gets stupid in our society. 0.95

00:30:11.000 You know, we see this amaze Sex education for children and I was reading through some of their PDFs that was talking about rape specifically that I thought was fascinating because it was talking about the need for consent and there was a situation that was so outrageous that would never happen and I noticed something interesting that goes everyone was there at a baseball game at Philip and Jackson's house and you know Bethany had drank too much alcohol and I thought wait a second 0.97

00:30:36.000 We're about to talk about sex and consent.

00:30:38.000 Now we're starting with underage drinking.

00:30:41.000 The problem here isn't the consent.

00:30:44.000 The problem would be the underage drinking we should work on, because that's clearly what's leading to the behavior.

00:30:48.000 When we talk about the rape, though, with children, the key thing is, and this is what I'm saying, when we talk about rape, this is why they try to redefine even what rape is in college, where they say, a rape is if you regret it afterwards.

00:30:59.000 But I'm being serious.

00:31:00.000 I'm genuinely being serious.

00:31:02.000 The problem with the rape argument is that, you know, you're going, okay, if someone was forcibly, I'm not going to get graphic, but there's a violent crime, a violent crime that is heinous against someone's body, a woman's body, and she's forcibly impregnated.

00:31:14.000 Well, number one, that's not the definition legally of rape anymore.

00:31:16.000 And specifically socially, people just say rape can almost be like gender.

00:31:20.000 If you just regretted it later in life.

00:31:22.000 I'm genuinely being serious about that.

00:31:23.000 I don't care about the left's arguments on this.

00:31:25.000 Well, it does argue legally, though.

00:31:28.000 My point is, for you, not legally, for all of you, for your morals and principles, I have no problem if your answer is, the woman must be forced. 0.99

00:31:37.000 My attitude is, that freaks me out.

00:31:39.000 I'm not okay with that.

00:31:41.000 To answer your specific question.

00:31:45.000 We can all agree that if a woman is impregnated through violent, like, forcible rape, it's a horrible, unthinkable crime that was committed against her. 0.66

00:31:52.000 Which is why I think, go ahead, I'm all about executing rapists if they're found guilty.

00:31:58.000 But you still, you have a person.

00:32:02.000 A person was created.

00:32:04.000 And they exist now.

00:32:06.000 And so the question is, does that person have moral worth?

00:32:11.000 Do they have any human rights at all?

00:32:13.000 Or are we going to say that the manner of your conception determines whether you have moral worth and human rights?

00:32:21.000 And I'm freaked out by that.

00:32:23.000 I don't agree with that.

00:32:25.000 Real quick, just to wrap, I understand too that, you know, in the instance a woman is raped, She will have the kid. 0.77

00:32:32.000 She will not die.

00:32:34.000 You know, in this circumstance, you're saying kill someone or a woman has a child for, you know, is pregnant for nine months. 0.55

00:32:39.000 You know, I have a I have a lot of issues with this scenario as well, Tim. 0.93

00:32:44.000 I have a very similar perspective to yours in the event that you're raped.

00:32:48.000 Let's say by your father and you're 15 years old, are you then forced to have that child? 0.69

00:32:54.000 Are you forced to raise that child? 0.97

00:32:56.000 Are you forced to like, you know, look at that child every day and see that your father raped you when you're 15 years old? 0.99

00:33:02.000 That exists, but that happens, right? 0.99

00:33:05.000 That happens.

00:33:06.000 Are you allowed to kill a child ever?

00:33:08.000 Well, I don't think that's entirely the framing.

00:33:13.000 I think there's more to it than that, right?

00:33:16.000 I do think there's more to it than that.

00:33:17.000 I think a big problem with the abortion conversation is how far it's gone to the point where you have people arguing that you should be able to abort for You know illnesses that you should be able to abort for deformities that you should be able to abort for You know getting the biological sex that you want all of these things like having all of this extra stuff in this conversation saying like all of these various reasons that you could abort your child that you should be able to you know kill your baby up to the point of delivery and all of this

00:33:51.000 This has made this conversation so insane that we completely forget, you know, where it sort of started, which was the idea that it would be safe, legal and rare.

00:34:04.000 I'm not in favor of abortion.

00:34:06.000 It's not something that I would do for myself.

00:34:08.000 I don't know what I would do if I was, you know, a teen who had been like raped, you know, whatever else it is.

00:34:15.000 And I think that there's I think that it it makes sense to discuss a woman's life.

00:34:20.000 And what that life is going to be like after she has been forcibly impregnated by, you know, some horrible person.

00:34:27.000 I don't think also the idea that once this woman has been forcibly impregnated, we're going to kill the man who did it so that now she can't even get child support from this guy.

00:34:35.000 Like you can't do anything like that's insane too.

00:34:40.000 No, I mean, I'm 100% thoroughly opposed to capital punishment in every single circumstance.

00:34:46.000 I just want to make one point before you jump in here.

00:34:48.000 I think it's morally insane to say that if somebody rapes a woman and she becomes pregnant, it's ethically permissible to murder the child, but not to put the rapist to death.

00:34:58.000 Okay, I'm not aware of any reason to be pro-life other than the two that I gave.

00:35:04.000 That the life in the womb is a human life, and it is never okay to intentionally and directly kill innocent human life.

00:35:13.000 That's my whole reason for being pro-life.

00:35:14.000 I can't think of any other reason.

00:35:16.000 And so if that's your reason for being pro-life, then you can't make exceptions.

00:35:20.000 You can't say, well, unless the baby's conceived through rape.

00:35:22.000 It's morally incoherent.

00:35:24.000 I think that it makes sense to talk to this woman, this hypothetical raped person that we're talking about.

00:35:29.000 It makes sense to talk to them and to like, you know, encourage them to have a child if they have, you know, the means and whatever else and the mental capability to do that.

00:35:39.000 But I don't think that it should be the federal government making that determination.

00:35:44.000 There's an interesting point here.

00:35:46.000 If we try to create a value system on moral points, what is more morally weighted than, I think I understand a bit of the conversation.

00:35:56.000 It's that a woman will suffer a physical constraint and large inconvenience and potentially trauma being forced to carry this child, but she'll live.

00:36:08.000 And the baby won't.

00:36:09.000 So I understand that point.

00:36:10.000 There's a challenge in, for me, in the idea of just the extent to which society has power over other people's bodies, but I totally see what you guys are saying 100%.

00:36:20.000 Like, the woman will not die by having a baby and being pregnant for nine months.

00:36:23.000 The baby will die.

00:36:24.000 And if we want to maximize good, the challenge is, does the state then say, you know, you're

00:36:29.000 going to sacrifice for nine months and, you know, have this as a part of you for the rest of your

00:36:34.000 life, but at least two people survive in the long run? It's tough questions, man.

00:36:40.000 I think the other thing is, sometimes what gets mixed into this conversation is like,

00:36:43.000 there's two questions about the act itself and then kind of the moral guilt

00:36:51.000 of the person who participates in the act.

00:36:54.000 And I certainly believe that your moral guilt participating in the act, I'm talking about abortion, Could be severely mitigated if we're talking about a child who's, you know, and is being taken advantage of by the abortion industry as well.

00:37:06.000 So that's sort of like a different discussion about the woman and her own moral guilt and the levels and mitigating circumstances.

00:37:14.000 But there's still just the question of the act itself and what it, this life that's being killed.

00:37:23.000 Is it a life?

00:37:23.000 That's the question.

00:37:25.000 And are you directly killing it?

00:37:26.000 And is it ever okay to directly kill innocent human life?

00:37:28.000 That's the question.

00:37:28.000 One last question on this before we go to the next story.

00:37:30.000 If we develop the technology that can take a, you know, fertilized egg even, you know, day one.

00:37:37.000 This is a question I always have as well.

00:37:38.000 The point of viability.

00:37:40.000 If the point of viability becomes day one, you know, minute one, we can take it and put it into some kind of machine or technology that will allow it to live.

00:37:50.000 Would you guys accept that?

00:37:52.000 Transhumanism? 0.89

00:37:54.000 Well, it is to a certain extent, it's a very Huxley question, right?

00:37:57.000 So the question becomes then, whose responsibility is this child?

00:38:03.000 Are we going to be manufacturing parentless orphans in order to... Wards of the state.

00:38:09.000 Wards of the state.

00:38:10.000 Is this what we're doing?

00:38:11.000 Because the state does...

00:38:12.000 an amazing job right now raising orphans, right?

00:38:16.000 They do really just such stellar work.

00:38:19.000 It's gorgeous.

00:38:20.000 You know, we've seen the results of this.

00:38:23.000 Of course, it's spectacular.

00:38:24.000 Sarcasm.

00:38:25.000 Just a teeny weensy bit, right?

00:38:28.000 So we've seen that.

00:38:28.000 So my question with this, because this has been something that I've considered as well, who raises the children?

00:38:36.000 Who gets to tell them what to do?

00:38:38.000 Who teaches them sex ed? 0.99

00:38:40.000 Who teaches them whether or not to, you know, castrate themselves because they think they should be something else?

00:38:45.000 And are we going to create a class of citizens that are responsible to the state, that the state is responsible for?

00:38:52.000 You know, what is this like, this weird stormtrooper thing we've got going?

00:38:56.000 Well, they could be put up for adoption, maybe.

00:38:57.000 They can be put up for adoption, but who's going to adopt these kids?

00:39:01.000 Just real quick, I want to get your guys' thought on this.

00:39:04.000 So let's take two forms of this question.

00:39:06.000 One is, if a woman gets pregnant through any circumstance, and then she says, oh, I'm going to place the baby into, you know, proto-future development, and then the doctors transplant it, it survives.

00:39:18.000 Would you be okay with that?

00:39:19.000 And the second question is, if a woman was forced through rape and they said, we're sorry this happened to you, but we can take the baby out and it'll survive and grow in this external process, how would you feel about that?

00:39:29.000 I want to mention one thing.

00:39:31.000 When I last checked the statistics in 2019, there were actually twice as many couples on the waiting list to adopt than there were abortions that happened in the country that year.

00:39:38.000 So I do think there would be people willing to adopt.

00:39:39.000 But as for this theological, I'm curious what your answer is here.

00:39:43.000 I'll jump on.

00:39:44.000 I thought you were going to give your answer.

00:39:45.000 Now you're saying you want to give me an answer.

00:39:48.000 No, no, I have an answer, but I just wanted to interject with that before we got into it. 0.96

00:39:52.000 So the scenario is a woman is raped. 0.93

00:39:56.000 Child is conceived. 0.93

00:39:57.000 There is an option, though, to remove the child.

00:40:00.000 And it will grow and survive.

00:40:01.000 And put the child into an artificial womb. 1.00

00:40:05.000 I mean, if the other option is killing the child, then I certainly would prefer the artificial womb scenario. 0.99

00:40:10.000 Let's say the other option is just saying no abortion. 0.50

00:40:12.000 You can't.

00:40:12.000 You have to have the baby.

00:40:13.000 Should the woman be like, no, you can't make me do this. 0.81

00:40:16.000 I never chose this.

00:40:17.000 Should we go with artificial womb? 1.00

00:40:18.000 I think there's a complicated moral question here for a few reasons.

00:40:23.000 I mean, firstly, Would this be something that was 100% effective or would it pose a risk to the life of the child?

00:40:31.000 My answer to this question would be that this is a technology that hasn't developed.

00:40:40.000 There's nothing like it that exists.

00:40:42.000 And so my response here is that There are, you know, gray-haired theologians with beards much better and longer than mine who can sort of stroke them all day and come up with much better answers to this question than I ever could.

00:40:54.000 I'm not sure.

00:40:56.000 And that's who I would defer to if they come along.

00:40:59.000 I do think it's kind of an interesting question because obviously we've talked recently even about, you know, IVF and this idea people keep talking about renting wombs even.

00:41:08.000 That's surrogacy.

00:41:09.000 Yes, yes.

00:41:10.000 But I mean, more slang has been this womb rental that has kind of like plagued Twitter where people are arguing about this.

00:41:18.000 And not just surrogacy, but also like, you know, talking about when it's just, for instance, from a donor and also from the original person.

00:41:24.000 And what are the ethics of this? 0.91

00:41:25.000 And obviously, Well, surrogacy is prostitution, except you get screwed for nine months. 1.00

00:41:29.000 OK. 0.87

00:41:30.000 Well, I was going to say, I mean, I've met some surrogates and it's been a very interesting conversation, especially when, you know, meeting one girl who was a surrogate and the baby had some sort of a defect and the people who were using the surrogate wanted her to abort her kid.

00:41:43.000 And she didn't want to abort the kid.

00:41:45.000 And then when she gave birth, the baby was just taken from her and she doesn't know what happened to the child.

00:41:49.000 And I've had this story.

00:41:50.000 I've spoken to her about it.

00:41:51.000 So it is an interesting thing.

00:41:52.000 But this idea of transhumanism is two things.

00:41:55.000 I don't think it's gonna happen like you think where there's just this lab and we're taking these rare rape victims because I think we always use this very niche argument of like could we create a technology where if there's this rare time even let's say a mom is dying from cancer and the dad wants to keep the baby and we could take the baby out and grow the baby in this artificial womb You know what, in many ways it sounds amazing and ethical places in an ethical nation, but all I see right now is the movement for that technology so that men can get pregnant.

00:42:20.000 And that's what I've seen with this trans, this trans woman thing. 0.99

00:42:23.000 They say trans women will give birth. 1.00

00:42:25.000 So I don't see us moving towards an ethical development of technology in this world.

00:42:28.000 It's for the basis of trying to do what's right.

00:42:31.000 I see us for trying to go outside the design of humanity, whether you're a Christian, the design of God, or you're not a Christian, the biological mechanisms that create a stable species. 0.55

00:42:39.000 I don't think that we are developing things for the right motives.

00:42:41.000 So I'd have to say it's not even theological for me.

00:42:43.000 I say no.

00:42:44.000 Let me pull up the story real quick.

00:42:46.000 The interesting thing to me is I think we're just looking for what the right answer is in every circumstance, right?

00:42:51.000 We're looking for the Kantian categorical imperative.

00:42:54.000 I just real quick, I, it is an interesting question.

00:42:58.000 But the thing is, developing this technology where hypothetically, you could you could put a child at the very early stages in into like an artificial womb.

00:43:06.000 I think it's it's good to develop that kind of technology for the situation we were talking at the beginning, which is in a medical emergency.

00:43:13.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 To be able to be able to do that.

00:43:16.000 But then you realize that there'd be these abuses where now it's kind of just a convenience thing.

00:43:20.000 Let's take the child out and put them in the artificial womb. 1.00

00:43:22.000 And that's, that's a bad And that's the thing about technology is it would turn into that instantly.

00:43:26.000 Yeah.

00:43:26.000 Women would be like, well, why should I ruin my body for this when we can put it in an artificial womb?

00:43:29.000 Well, we saw that, right?

00:43:30.000 Like Kim Kardashian had babies via surrogate.

00:43:33.000 Okay.

00:43:33.000 I just want to say, even intuitively, when we look at this potential technology, this hypothetical device, No one would argue that it would be better for a child to develop in an artificial womb rather than within the body of their own mother.

00:43:49.000 So, at the very least, there would need to be some kind of justification, the likes of which you laid out.

00:43:52.000 These scenarios where a child needs to be delivered... I think we have no idea what the effect of... If it was death or artificial womb, you'd take our word for it.

00:43:57.000 I don't know what the effect of creating motherless orphans would be.

00:44:02.000 I think that that is really something that hasn't been explored.

00:44:05.000 To not know your mother in that sense.

00:44:07.000 We have not seen a human being who doesn't know their mother in that sense. 0.99

00:44:10.000 And I think that we would end up with something a little along the lines of a sociopathic crazy person.

00:44:15.000 Let's pull up this next story from Law and Crime. 0.91

00:44:18.000 ACLU sues Alabama Attorney General over devastating new law making medical care for transgender youth a felony.

00:44:25.000 It's a lie.

00:44:26.000 I love how they call it care.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, it's a lie.

00:44:29.000 Right off the bat.

00:44:30.000 We also have this out of Missouri.

00:44:32.000 Missouri proposes legislation to prohibit gender transitions for minors.

00:44:36.000 Yeah, this is an important thing here.

00:44:38.000 They call it medical care.

00:44:40.000 And I think there's a framing issue here that at the very least suggests this country is totally fractured by moral framework.

00:44:48.000 Medical care to the left is a 12 year old biological male says, I don't feel right. 0.56

00:44:54.000 So they say, okay, we're gonna give you surgeries, which could, you know, permanently alter damage your body or restrict your body in some way that we, we do that for only gender ideology based circumstances. 0.97

00:45:06.000 Well, and abortion. 1.00

00:45:07.000 Well, so, you know, what I mean is, on the right, it's very clear this is child abuse.

00:45:13.000 Yeah.

00:45:13.000 On the left, it's affirmation and medical care.

00:45:16.000 The issue I take with this is just, if a 12-year-old boy said, I'm dysmorphic and I need to cut my hand off, We would not say, well, for the sake of the child, we'll remove their hand.

00:45:25.000 But we are seeing young women get double mastectomies, even at the age of 13 in some circumstances.

00:45:32.000 I posted a study on Twitter about it.

00:45:34.000 So I do want to point out that framing, but then just generally open up the conversation to what we're seeing with these states that are banning this.

00:45:42.000 And then there are other states that are going the other direction.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, you have to define your terms.

00:45:46.000 Medical care is a thing.

00:45:49.000 It's a specific thing.

00:45:50.000 Medical care is something that is done to treat a problem in the body.

00:45:56.000 It's to treat a disease or a malformation or a lesion or something like that.

00:46:00.000 And so then the question is, is puberty A disease that has to be treated.

00:46:07.000 And that's essentially what we're hearing from the trans ideology side of this.

00:46:11.000 They say that, well, you know, the child didn't consent to puberty and so you have to put a puberty blocker in.

00:46:16.000 Well, puberty is not a disease.

00:46:18.000 It's a natural process in the body.

00:46:20.000 Well, and it's not just the body.

00:46:21.000 I mean, hormones wash over the brain and that's how your brain becomes, you know, more fully developed.

00:46:26.000 That's part of it as well.

00:46:27.000 That's part of puberty is becoming an adult.

00:46:29.000 It's not just a bodily thing.

00:46:31.000 It's also, I mean, it's the body of the brain as well.

00:46:34.000 Yeah, and so, this is horrible framing.

00:46:36.000 These people are obviously perfectly happy to be misunderstood as implying this is a law which would say that a kid could not receive a necessary procedure to save their life because they're transgender. 0.86

00:46:45.000 That's how this is framed.

00:46:46.000 What it should say is, in Alabama, you are not allowed to give children sex changes. 0.98

00:46:51.000 For some reason, some perverts are mad about that.

00:46:53.000 So, the interesting thing about medical care is that, I wonder, does medical care in a general sense include psychotherapy?

00:47:00.000 Well, yeah, let me make a point on that real fast.

00:47:04.000 Just a simple question.

00:47:05.000 The answer is yes, we all agree.

00:47:06.000 And then my point was in Scandinavian countries, they don't do child sex changes.

00:47:10.000 They do psychotherapy.

00:47:12.000 But in the United States, they argue that's conversion therapy and wrong and shouldn't be allowed.

00:47:16.000 Well, I was just going to say that the problem we're seeing today has nothing to do with science, and I think we should have seen back in the day when the humanities were usurped educationally.

00:47:25.000 It wasn't by accident.

00:47:26.000 We'd make fun of them, like, oh, do you want to go take a class to where you discuss how you feel about an author's book in The American Dream and Great Gatsby, or do you want to study engineering?

00:47:34.000 Not realizing that the great thinkers and the ideologues, the people who study the humanities and create these ideas, the philosophers, etc., that are out there, and even people that study English, as we look down upon them, they took a hold of the subjects that we disregarded, and they changed the language.

00:47:47.000 They actually, from the ground up, have redefined the ability to define terms.

00:47:51.000 The average person doesn't know what science is, they don't really understand engineering, but they can read a news article written for a fourth grade level reader.

00:47:58.000 And so I was talking to a transgender Antifa, we were talking about this earlier, a trans

00:48:02.000 Antifa and Satanist on TikTok live.

00:48:06.000 And the key thing is here, and I noticed this with every argument, all we're battling over

00:48:10.000 then is words.

00:48:11.000 So we mock English teachers like, oh, it's just English.

00:48:13.000 We went to school for English.

00:48:14.000 Well, currently, the battle isn't actually in science.

00:48:16.000 It's English.

00:48:17.000 It's defining actually our dictionary and what words mean in terminology.

00:48:20.000 Even biology is mostly just built up of terms.

00:48:23.000 And I mean, yes, Latin and whatnot.

00:48:24.000 But I asked him, I go, I go, the guy goes, you know, legitimately, there is fascistic

00:48:28.000 genocide of trans people all around this country and you're defending it. 1.00

00:48:32.000 And I go, fascistic genocide?

00:48:35.000 Where in the world do you see fascistic genocide?

00:48:38.000 I'm serious.

00:48:38.000 I said, I want to know.

00:48:39.000 Oh, China.

00:48:40.000 Well, no, but he said this to me, of trans kids.

00:48:42.000 No, but of trans kids.

00:48:43.000 That's mostly of pets right now, but the rest of Shanghai.

00:48:46.000 But he goes, but he goes, yeah.

00:48:47.000 And I go, where is this?

00:48:48.000 He goes, oh, well, in the Texas laws.

00:48:50.000 And I'm like, I'm in Texas.

00:48:51.000 I'm very familiar with the Texas trans laws right now.

00:48:53.000 And there's no genocide happening.

00:48:55.000 So he goes on to define and goes, genocide.

00:48:57.000 And I said, what is genocide, man?

00:48:58.000 What is that?

00:48:59.000 And that's what we have to ask them. What do you mean now by genocide?

00:49:01.000 Because we have no absolute truth. He goes, well, you know, that's taking kids away from

00:49:07.000 parent parents who want to get, you know, gender reaffirming surgery and hormone therapy.

00:49:12.000 And, you know, and I'm like, that's weird for me because I thought genocide involved killing

00:49:16.000 and all the genocidal maniacs and tyrants of the years apparently wasted a lot of resources.

00:49:20.000 They could have just used child protective services and took the kids away for two weeks and they would have done, I guess, the racial cleansing that they desired. 0.68

00:49:25.000 But I go, well, what are you talking about?

00:49:27.000 And then he brings up the fact, as per mentioned, that this is this new thing called social murder.

00:49:32.000 And so this idea of the fact that if you withhold trans Uh, reaffirming, and I'm using their words, reaffirming surgery, you are leading to the increased suicide rate of trans kids.

00:49:40.000 Therefore, your actions are the murderous actions and your choice to limit is murder.

00:49:45.000 And I'm not defending this.

00:49:47.000 I was sitting there mind blown going, dude, and the best part about this is I got to ask, I said, when did you start hormones?

00:49:52.000 He goes, it saved my life.

00:49:54.000 It saved my life.

00:49:54.000 He goes, well, 22.

00:49:56.000 I go, okay, so you're saying that hormones saved your life at 22?

00:49:59.000 I hope you were past puberty by 22.

00:50:00.000 So you're a 22-year-old who started taking Estradol and different types of blockers and whatnot at 22, and now you're trying to tell me what a 9-year-old should be doing?

00:50:08.000 Buddy.

00:50:09.000 Did you see the article in the Washington Post?

00:50:11.000 It was an op-ed by a writer named Corinne Cohn, who was talking about how... I don't know what the pronoun is to use in this case.

00:50:20.000 Anyway, Corinne was saying that at 19, Yeah, this is a story, Tim.

00:50:28.000 At 19, Cone was castrated.

00:50:33.000 This was intentional. 0.54

00:50:35.000 And then it turns out that actually he would have been a gay man and has never had a sexual experience when he talks to friends and friends are very dismayed by this.

00:50:48.000 And in the article, Corinne talks about how Never having experienced this, you know, they don't really

00:50:55.000 know what they're missing.

00:50:56.000 And I just find this to be so sad that we are taking away the sexual futures of so many

00:51:03.000 of these kids.

00:51:05.000 Not just their reproductive futures, but any real chance at intimacy, you know?

00:51:11.000 They're giving up something that they don't understand.

00:51:14.000 And they're giving it up for the rest of their lives.

00:51:16.000 And that's why the way this is all framed that this is, you know, this is we're infringing on the rights of the child.

00:51:23.000 No, none of these laws are restricting the child.

00:51:26.000 This is about restricting you as the adult.

00:51:28.000 We're saying that you cannot do to a child. The idea that a child has like that their

00:51:35.000 rights are being infringed upon because they're not being mutilated is is horrific. I just want to

00:51:39.000 make one other point too.

00:51:40.000 Elijah brought up the uh words and the way that words are manipulated. I think this is really

00:51:45.000 important because we have to understand is on the other side the sane side of this trans discussion

00:51:49.000 we are so behind we're We're playing catch-up right now because the language is so totally controlled by the left, even to the extent of every time we use the word gender, we are actually assenting to the left's framework.

00:52:04.000 That word itself was introduced into the language the way that it's used now.

00:52:09.000 by the people who invented gender ideology for the purpose of mainstreaming it.

00:52:15.000 It's actually really fascinating to the whole language thing because I was in the arts for most of my most of my

00:52:21.000 career most of My adult life and I could see this, you know this starting

00:52:25.000 and you know Artists started becoming arts activists instead and it

00:52:30.000 started being like oh when you do when you write a play it should be

00:52:34.000 It should be not just art not just aesthetic But there needs to be this activist a backbone to it and

00:52:40.000 you could see people changing the language Intentionally and it started you know we had the whole PC

00:52:45.000 thing Don't say, you know, black.

00:52:47.000 Say African-American.

00:52:48.000 Don't say, you know, I don't know, woman. 1.00

00:52:51.000 Say some other stupid word. 1.00

00:52:53.000 Woman, yeah. 1.00

00:52:54.000 Right?

00:52:55.000 But I mean, we saw this happen.

00:52:56.000 It's been happening for a long time.

00:52:58.000 And at first, just like it is now with the whole gender thing, at first it was sold to us with the idea of compassion behind it, right?

00:53:06.000 It's more compassionate to use these terms.

00:53:08.000 It makes other people feel better.

00:53:10.000 It's not offensive if you speak about it this way.

00:53:12.000 And we have consistently allowed ourselves to be bludgeoned with this idea of the compassionate way to talk to people.

00:53:19.000 And we're still there.

00:53:20.000 I want to just ask, you know, it's a legitimate question that I know we'll never get answered because the response on the left will be like, it's a bad faith question.

00:53:28.000 If a kid was, there's general body dysmorphia, dysphoric disorder or something like that.

00:53:33.000 I talked about this on the Joe Rogan podcast with Jack Dorsey.

00:53:35.000 If someone, and they do, they feel like their fingers need to be removed, they feel like their hand is torn.

00:53:40.000 Transabled.

00:53:41.000 This is a thing.

00:53:42.000 This is a thing.

00:53:42.000 Yeah, it's like general body dysmorphic disorder or something like that.

00:53:46.000 Would we then say for the health and safety of the child, we will remove their perfectly functioning hand?

00:53:51.000 And the other question on top of that is, We've seen young girls get double mastectomies at the age of even 13.

00:53:59.000 Again, I posted this on Twitter.

00:54:00.000 There's a study that was done in 2018 looking at the results of the quality of life.

00:54:06.000 Would we give a 13-year-old boy large breast implants if he said that they would make him feel better and he was depressed?

00:54:12.000 I think overwhelmingly most parents, even parents who want to affirm their kids, they'd probably look at that and think twice and be like, wait a minute, this doesn't seem right because breast implants are not typically associated with someone seeking to, like a young boy who's feeling, you know, depressed.

00:54:28.000 And even a young girl wouldn't have double D's or something like that.

00:54:31.000 But I'm wondering at what point we actually start seeing this.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, so obviously at the present moment, the left would at the very least pretend to be horrified by the idea of removing a child's pinky because they've decided that they don't want to have it at an early age.

00:54:43.000 But if you ask any grown man, what would you rather have happened?

00:54:45.000 Would you rather have lost your pinky finger as a child, or would you rather have lost the ability to fully develop reproductively as a child?

00:54:52.000 Any man would tell you he would rather have lost his pinky.

00:54:54.000 It's not even a question.

00:54:55.000 Well, hold on there.

00:54:55.000 Maybe.

00:54:56.000 But if you don't go through puberty, you don't develop that, uh... No, that's my point.

00:55:01.000 Well, so if you ask someone who has had their gonads removed, this article describes it as gonad destruction.

00:55:09.000 Sounds like a heavy metal band.

00:55:11.000 Gonad destruction?

00:55:12.000 Before puberty, they're not going to know what they lost, and they're not going to desire things they haven't developed desire for.

00:55:19.000 I don't know about that.

00:55:20.000 I think they'll look at healthy married couples and say, I wish I could have had something like that, because there's an innate drive within the human person.

00:55:26.000 I can agree with that.

00:55:27.000 You just brought up John Money.

00:55:29.000 We have a case study on this, and John Money did that.

00:55:35.000 He's the guy who invented gender ideology, and he did that to a young boy, a baby, castrated a young boy, and told the parents to raise the boy as a girl. 0.73

00:55:48.000 And, but it didn't, the girl identity didn't take hold because he's not a girl.

00:55:52.000 So eventually they switch back.

00:55:55.000 Even with hormones.

00:55:56.000 And killed himself later in life.

00:55:58.000 Him and his brother both killed themselves. 0.92

00:55:59.000 And he performed sexual experiments on them as well. 1.00

00:56:02.000 He was a disgusting pervert on every level. 0.99

00:56:04.000 But this is actually an argument the left counters with that it proves gender identity is inherent in a person, right? 0.98

00:56:11.000 That even though this person who didn't choose to went through this, Later in life, they said, no, I am male and always was.

00:56:18.000 The left argues that certainly there are people who are born male or female and then later come to realize they have an alternate gender identity.

00:56:25.000 Well, what the left... I mean, sex is inherent. 0.61

00:56:27.000 A person does have a sex. 0.99

00:56:29.000 Gender is a completely nonsensical term that was first developed by the man who performed this sick sexual experiment on children. 0.92

00:56:35.000 It was a complete failure, but he reported it as a success.

00:56:38.000 It was printed in medical textbooks as a success.

00:56:41.000 And as a matter of policy in many hospitals, as a result of his lies, many boys who underwent botched circumcision were transitioned as infants.

00:56:50.000 Yeah, that was messed up.

00:56:50.000 Yeah, and I've heard that claim from the other side saying, oh no, John Money actually proves that we're right.

00:56:56.000 But no, if gender is determined partially by society and environment and everything, and that's what John Money believed, he's the guy who came up with this stuff, then this should have worked and it didn't.

00:57:05.000 So he actually disproved his own theory in this horrific years-long experiment that he ran on these kids.

00:57:13.000 The thing about gender, you have a definition up there. 0.99

00:57:16.000 Originally, gender is a linguistic term that refers to words, like words have gender, masculine or feminine, and John Money's the one who said that, oh no, people have gender too.

00:57:25.000 People have a gender and a sex.

00:57:27.000 But you notice something else, because they said that people have a gender and a sex, and they're two different things.

00:57:33.000 And that's what they went with for decades.

00:57:35.000 And now they're kind of collapsing the distinction again.

00:57:38.000 And they've actually gotten away from that.

00:57:40.000 And now they're basically saying that gender and sex are the same thing, because a trans woman is a woman.

00:57:44.000 It's exactly the same thing as a woman. 0.99

00:57:46.000 They will not allow anymore that a, quote, trans woman is a male.

00:57:52.000 They'll say a trans woman is a female. 0.89

00:57:53.000 So they've gotten rid of the distinction themselves.

00:57:55.000 And they're enshrining this in law.

00:57:56.000 I mean, now the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects gender identity in the same way that it protects, you know, women.

00:58:06.000 That wasn't that was amended nationally?

00:58:08.000 Well, it's not like they haven't gone back and rewritten the amendment, but the executive orders that Biden signed essentially do that.

00:58:15.000 Well, in most states have actually passed these these civil rights amendments that say gender identity is protected as well.

00:58:23.000 The question then is, how do you define gender identity?

00:58:26.000 And this is where things get more difficult.

00:58:28.000 In New York, for instance, it's defined as a person's self-expression.

00:58:32.000 Because, you know, I pulled up the word gender on Wikipedia, and it says, the range of characteristics pertaining to femininity and masculinity, and differentiating between them.

00:58:41.000 The challenge is, the modern left ideology suggests that a dress is not inherently feminine or masculine, in which case it's not a part of gender.

00:58:50.000 So if you have somebody who has long hair and wears makeup and, you know, wears bras and female clothing, that isn't, according to their own ideology, inherently feminine and gendered.

00:59:00.000 In which case, the whole thing starts to become illogical, I suppose.

00:59:05.000 How does a child know they're transgender if a little girl says she likes playing with trucks in the color blue? 0.93

00:59:11.000 They might say, well, you like things boys like.

00:59:13.000 No, because girls can like trucks in the color blue. 1.00

00:59:15.000 Same as anybody else.

00:59:16.000 They're trying to have it both ways.

00:59:17.000 They're both telling us that gender stereotypes are a problem and need to be abolished and that you can tell what your gender identity is based on which gender stereotypes you adhere to.

00:59:28.000 And both things can't be true.

00:59:31.000 I really do think that for the most part, it's not that they're trying to have both.

00:59:35.000 Technically, that's the case.

00:59:36.000 It's that there is no truth but power to these people.

00:59:39.000 So any circumstance in which they can assert something to gain power, they do, and that's why they often contradict themselves.

00:59:43.000 Then we sit here as logical beings trying to understand the map they've created in terms of logic, and it makes no sense to us.

00:59:49.000 Yeah.

00:59:50.000 In breaking down sexual boundaries is fantastic if you're in a position of power and rather than having a healthy functioning society, you'd rather have one where people look up to and they're very easy to control.

00:59:58.000 And the best way to break down sex relationships, the best way to break down the family after you've already done things like made contraceptives widely available and socially acceptable is to go for the actual direct definition of sexuality and completely collapse it so that the sexes have no hope of ever developing any understanding of how they should relate to each other from their society. 0.51

01:00:19.000 Right, so let's talk about what's happening with kids here, because we have this story from Fox News.

01:00:25.000 New Jersey sample lesson plans push videos for 5th graders on graphic sex-related content.

01:00:32.000 This was the stuff released by Lips of TikTok, right?

01:00:34.000 Was this the New Jersey stuff?

01:00:35.000 Well, she started it, yeah. 0.91

01:00:37.000 I just wanted to give her credit.

01:00:39.000 Yeah, so it seems like we're seeing an inversion, almost, of what Florida is doing, where Florida's like, hey, look, you know, third grade and below, it's hands off.

01:00:48.000 After, you know, fourth grade and up, you can have these conversations without parental consent, which I also think is still kind of crazy, because parents should be signing off on, you know, curriculum and knowing what's going on.

01:00:57.000 But now we're seeing schools Having graphic sex-related content for even fifth graders.

01:01:03.000 I think this is a great argument for Chris Rufo's whole transparency and education thing, which I love this idea that curriculum needs to be posted before the beginning of the year so you can see what's going on.

01:01:15.000 I like it for this reason and I like it just so that I would know what my kid is up to and I can help study.

01:01:21.000 What's interesting in New York is you have the unelected Governor Kathy Hochul pushing for similar kinds of stuff as New Jersey, thoroughly opposed to the Parental Rights and Education Bill in Florida, and you have Andrew Giuliani Who is also running for governor saying that he's interested in having a parental rights and education bill in New York.

01:01:47.000 I think it's going to come down to I think a lot of that's going to really come up in that in that in that in that what do you call race in that race?

01:01:55.000 I was gonna say, but with this stuff, what's so insane is that with talking to the kids about this stuff, I've looked at some of these lesson plans, of course, just out of educational responsibility, not because I wanted to learn.

01:02:05.000 And the way that they actually teach the kids about sex is so inaccurate, it's absolutely crazy.

01:02:10.000 So you thought porn was a bad educator for children? 0.94

01:02:14.000 It is kind of crazy.

01:02:15.000 They're not calling people kids anymore, and they're not using the difference between adults and children, but they're using this phrase called young people, which is this idea of children.

01:02:24.000 So that's the new hot phrase that they're using, young people.

01:02:27.000 And this idea of taking away man and woman, old and young, adult and child, and everyone's a person X, like a latinx. 0.99

01:02:33.000 We're all vague and we're all a person.

01:02:35.000 And there's this level of maturity.

01:02:36.000 I know we talked about this before the show, but some of these educational sites that have

01:02:40.000 porn on them to teach kids about the website, you can check them out.

01:02:43.000 They're cartoon porn, and unless you got some really weird fetishes, I don't think you're 0.93

01:02:46.000 going to get stumbled. 0.85

01:02:47.000 I don't think you're going to really like them a lot.

01:02:49.000 But you go to click in and it asks you if you're in a, if you have, it says by federal

01:02:53.000 law you have to be 18 to enter the site, then asks if you're mature enough.

01:02:56.000 And when you get in there, the lessons on sex for kids are so strange.

01:03:01.000 If somebody had told me that's what sex is, like the one I saw up front was they were 0.99

01:03:04.000 like, sometimes you get an erection, you get horny. 1.00

01:03:06.000 And the guy's penis was the size of his torso. 1.00

01:03:09.000 It was like this big! 0.99

01:03:10.000 And I'm going, okay, I understand exaggeration and art, but if we're going to teach kids about accuracies of sex, why are you using cartoons with penises this four feet long? 0.98

01:03:18.000 It's very weird. 0.95

01:03:19.000 Take a look at this story.

01:03:20.000 This is from TimCast.com.

01:03:21.000 Maryland Department of Education will require pre-K students to learn about gender, identity, and expressions.

01:03:26.000 The state's health curriculum aims to examine how racism impacts sexual identity by middle school.

01:03:31.000 I want to break this one down.

01:03:32.000 Wait, how racism impacts gender identity by middle school?

01:03:36.000 So hold on, I got a bone to pick with this here timcast.com.

01:03:39.000 Is it a four foot long bone?

01:03:41.000 Will require?

01:03:42.000 When you actually pull up the document, it actually has on it...

01:03:46.000 Pre-kindergarten through high school, 1st July 2020 to June 2021.

01:03:49.000 It sounds like they're already doing it.

01:03:52.000 And now I have questions about the website, but the website is linked through the Maryland.gov portal.

01:03:57.000 So this is coming out of Maryland's public school website, this document, talking about pre-kindergarten through high school and what they're going to be teaching these kids.

01:04:05.000 I don't think that it's planned opposition to what's happening in Florida.

01:04:10.000 I think what Florida is, is in effective opposition to what they've already been doing.

01:04:15.000 And it was already happening in Florida, too.

01:04:17.000 This is, by the way, talking about the history of things.

01:04:19.000 Comprehensive sex education. 0.93

01:04:21.000 That started with Alfred Kinsey, who's another pedophile, and expressly wanted to sexualize children, believed that children are sexual literally from birth. 0.90

01:04:31.000 And there's a whole story there, it's totally horrifying, but comprehensive sex education goes back to him, it starts there. 0.81

01:04:36.000 And so it is, from the beginning, an effort to sexualize children, to sexualize them also kind of based, in this kind of circular way, on the idea that children are already sexual from birth.

01:04:47.000 And the thing about that that's so insidious because we see that, oh, they're teaching this stuff to preschoolers.

01:04:51.000 We find it so shocking.

01:04:52.000 And it is.

01:04:52.000 I mean, it's horrifying, but it's actually not surprising because, well, of course they want to get to the kids that young, because when you're that when you're four years old, I mean, these are the kids who believe, you know, in Santa Claus.

01:05:04.000 They believe they think that Spider-Man is real.

01:05:06.000 So at that age, psychologically, they cannot distinguish.

01:05:10.000 They actually cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy.

01:05:12.000 If you go to a four year old, And you say to the four-year-old, Superman doesn't exist.

01:05:18.000 They won't even know what you mean by that.

01:05:19.000 It doesn't mean anything.

01:05:20.000 Doesn't exist?

01:05:20.000 What do you mean?

01:05:20.000 I can see him on TV.

01:05:21.000 I know he exists.

01:05:22.000 And so, that's... The left's ideas, especially about gender, are so...

01:05:28.000 Ridiculous and insane that they have to get to the kids that young at an age where they don't have the mental capacity to see it for the absurdity that it is. 0.99

01:05:37.000 And if you can indoctrinate them that young, then you get them potentially for life. 0.95

01:05:40.000 What's funny to me is that's what I was told growing up about Christianity, was that the church tries to get the kids so that they grow up indoctrinated in the church and dogma and things like that.

01:05:50.000 And now we're I got to say it is fascinating to see that when it comes to critical race theory,

01:05:55.000 gender ideology and the general woke cult, it seems that they're doing a lot of what the left

01:05:59.000 claimed the right did a long time ago. Like they're they're arguing the other side does it,

01:06:03.000 but they're doing the difference is. So, yeah, you hear that argument about that's what that's

01:06:07.000 really what religions do. And the left makes that argument.

01:06:10.000 It's actually interesting because what they're essentially admitting is that gender ideology is a religion. 0.85

01:06:15.000 So that part I agree with them.

01:06:16.000 At least we have it in the right category.

01:06:18.000 It's actually a religious point of view.

01:06:19.000 But the difference is that with Christianity, you can ask really difficult questions And in fact, for most Christians who are informed, they want to have that conversation.

01:06:30.000 Let's talk about it.

01:06:31.000 Why do I believe in the Bible?

01:06:32.000 Why do I believe in God?

01:06:33.000 Let's have the conversation.

01:06:34.000 It's great.

01:06:36.000 With gender ideology, though, and this is why they have to get to the kids very young, it collapses under the slightest scrutiny.

01:06:42.000 They cannot answer any questions about it.

01:06:45.000 Well, that's why they resort to insults instead.

01:06:46.000 They can't do it. And so that's that's well, that's why they insults instead, right?

01:06:50.000 Right, right, right Like I asked, you know, look whenever this topic comes up

01:06:55.000 We invariably mention the Jack Dorsey Rogan podcast because I you know, this conversation was about censorship

01:07:01.000 But I said to Jack your rules are inherently biased and he said no they aren't

01:07:06.000 And I said, you have a misgendering policy that enforces the left's worldview on what misgendering means.

01:07:11.000 The right thinks misgendering is if someone is biologically male or female, you use inverted pronouns.

01:07:15.000 And the left thinks if someone chooses to use pronouns, you don't use them.

01:07:19.000 You've decided to enforce what the left thinks.

01:07:22.000 I asked, would you enforce these rules?

01:07:24.000 He was like, well, look, we do this because there's high suicide rates.

01:07:27.000 We're trying to protect people.

01:07:28.000 And I said, sure, but you don't do that for anyone else's suicidal.

01:07:31.000 You don't say you can't disparage police officers or dentists.

01:07:33.000 You don't say that you can't disparage people who are dysmorphic in terms of anorexia or bulimia.

01:07:38.000 Yeah.

01:07:39.000 Soldiers have an insane combat.

01:07:40.000 Veterans have an insanely high suicide rate.

01:07:42.000 Nobody says that means we can't criticize U.S.

01:07:44.000 foreign policy.

01:07:44.000 That's not true.

01:07:45.000 That is a bannable offense on YouTube.

01:07:47.000 YouTube?

01:07:48.000 Wait, wait.

01:07:48.000 Criticizing U.S.

01:07:49.000 foreign policy is a bannable offense because of combat veteran suicide?

01:07:52.000 No, no, no.

01:07:52.000 Actually, technically it can be demonetized if you talk about Ukraine or Russia the wrong way now.

01:07:55.000 That is absolutely true.

01:07:56.000 But the rules actually say- I'm pretty sure YouTube says you'll be banned for disparaging someone based on their veteran status.

01:08:01.000 Yeah, but that's different.

01:08:02.000 That's different.

01:08:03.000 That's not, um... If you're disparaging someone for their veteran status, that's different from criticizing the broader ideology in which they've taken a part of it.

01:08:11.000 As if you died for nothing, right?

01:08:12.000 That's the point.

01:08:13.000 You're saying, hey, like, and I've heard people say this all the time, we should have never been in that war, you know, and I've literally watched this not only on YouTube, but in every social media, something to this regard of going, Yeah, you know, imagine your brother died in Afghanistan and then you see now the pullout, especially when we were leaving and that the war, they say, was for nothing.

01:08:28.000 And what do you feel about your brother's death?

01:08:30.000 I mean, that would be something that I would say as a family member.

01:08:32.000 Imagine I'm heartbroken and I'm sitting there and someone's railing onto it.

01:08:35.000 It might put me in a position where I would feel unstable emotionally.

01:08:38.000 Does my life matter?

01:08:39.000 But I also think that the key thing about the trans thing you have to realize is like, This is gonna sound crazy to some people,

01:08:45.000 but I think you can't talk about this without being somewhat theological,

01:08:48.000 or at least if you're not theological metaphysical, you could put it into this.

01:08:51.000 There is a depopulation agenda, and it seems that we always prioritize the social issues

01:08:56.000 that lead to depopulation.

01:08:57.000 It's like, whether it's the trans identity, whether it's, and we target when they're young,

01:09:01.000 specifically in puberty.

01:09:02.000 We're not fighting for transsexual adults, we're fighting for transgenderism,

01:09:05.000 a state of mind specifically in kids.

01:09:07.000 It's for abortion in the womb, it's for climate change and reducing our emission

01:09:11.000 and the amount of people and the carbon footprint, it's about reducing our intake, biosynthetic meat,

01:09:15.000 about not having access to things.

01:09:16.000 When you look at the amalgamation of all of the targets of the global agenda, I'd say the Western global agenda,

01:09:23.000 specifically EU, United States, the Five Eyes, et cetera.

01:09:25.000 So when you go there, it all seems hell bent on somehow bringing this down.

01:09:29.000 Now, this is not antithetical to what the actual elites talk about,

01:09:33.000 very regularly in Davos, and also too just openly on public forums.

01:09:36.000 And I hate to be like the Bill Gates guy, but I just want people to talk about

01:09:38.000 there's too many people.

01:09:40.000 And there's just not.

01:09:40.000 I agree with you, yeah.

01:09:41.000 I would say, perhaps, these pieces line up.

01:09:42.000 I agree with you.

01:09:43.000 Yeah.

01:09:44.000 That's where the social issues go.

01:09:45.000 Yeah, it's really fascinating.

01:09:46.000 What is the common link?

01:09:47.000 The common link is about making us less accessible to resources, to ideas, to expand, to grow,

01:09:52.000 and to shrinking the population.

01:09:54.000 I would say perhaps these pieces line up, but I would also be careful because that's

01:10:01.000 the territory where you're far removed from the average person who doesn't understand

01:10:06.000 It's very, very simple to go to a middle-class working family and say, you know, would you be in support of your 13-year-old son getting large breast implants and them being like, excuse me, get out of my house.

01:10:15.000 It's much different if you go to them and say, let me break down very quickly for you this depopulation agenda, why I think they're doing these things.

01:10:23.000 This is the issue, you know, it was really funny.

01:10:24.000 I went on Candace Owens' show earlier and she was fantastic, by the way.

01:10:28.000 But she mentioned, we were talking about Alex Jones and how, you know, a lot of what he says might be too colorful for regular people to understand.

01:10:35.000 When he, you know, I mentioned the media comes out and says, you know, he's yelling the frogs are gay or whatever.

01:10:39.000 And she was like, but he was right! 0.91

01:10:40.000 I mean, not overtly about frogs being gay, but that, you know, there's a chemical that was, you know, causing problems, and, you know, for frogs, and I said, right, right, a chemical called atrazine was reportedly interfering with the endocrine systems of frogs, and Alex Jones yelled out, turn on the frogs, gay, or whatever. 0.67

01:10:56.000 And the media takes that to poison the well.

01:10:59.000 So I try to be careful with messaging, but I get what you're saying.

01:11:01.000 I think it's more tactful to just approach the issues individually, because I think most regular working people agree that individually these things are all issues we're facing.

01:11:11.000 Well, it is interesting, I think, with the climate change specifically, because there is this, you guys have heard of Extinction Rebellion?

01:11:19.000 Oh, I've met a lot of those guys before.

01:11:22.000 Very fun people.

01:11:22.000 So they're very opposed to anybody having children, right?

01:11:26.000 I hope they don't.

01:11:27.000 And I hope they, you know, maybe they don't have them.

01:11:30.000 But that's sort of the idea, is that people should not have children, that it's a drain on the Earth's resources and all of this.

01:11:36.000 But it's like the less people we have, the less resources we're going to have, because there's going to be less people to do the work to gather the resources or to create the new things.

01:11:45.000 To be fair real quick, they're saying The amount of, say, oil in the ground will be consumed by a billion people, but a million people will consume a, you know, order of magnitude, several orders of magnitude less.

01:11:59.000 They're not saying that they're, you know, like, I understand what you mean.

01:12:02.000 There'll be less refined resources, but their argument is... Yeah, it's so rare we can't even drill for more.

01:12:09.000 They value the earth over the earth's inhabitants.

01:12:12.000 Exactly.

01:12:13.000 And that's an issue.

01:12:14.000 So I would make two points.

01:12:15.000 First, well, So firstly, what you're saying is verified by basically all of the statistics that we have on population growth and wealth.

01:12:22.000 World population has exploded and global poverty has decreased significantly in that time.

01:12:28.000 Human beings have a remarkable ability not only to provide for themselves, but for others as well.

01:12:34.000 And so the left has this way of looking at resources, which is very fixed pie and very childish.

01:12:39.000 They think that there's just been this fixed number Ben Shapiro made an excellent point.

01:12:43.000 I saw this viral video where he was asked about climate change and why he didn't think it was an emergency.

01:12:47.000 to comprehend the fact that as new people with new minds come along they

01:12:51.000 find new ways to use what we already have and ways to use what we thought was

01:12:55.000 useless in the past. Ben Shapiro made an excellent point I saw this viral video

01:12:58.000 where he was asked about climate change and why he didn't think it was an

01:13:01.000 emergency. I think he gave a very verbose answer but his his ending point, his last

01:13:07.000 point was he doesn't think it's a disaster because the predictions don't

01:13:11.000 account for mitigation factors.

01:13:13.000 Meaning, you know, they look at these charts and say, oh, we're going to have 10 feet of water rise in 100 years, burying cities, 200 feet in the next thousand, and it's going to wipe out all these cities.

01:13:27.000 And it's like, right, right, right.

01:13:27.000 And you're not accounting for the fact that human adaptation happens.

01:13:30.000 Right.

01:13:31.000 Which you go back to that famous story about horse manure in New York.

01:13:33.000 You familiar with this one?

01:13:35.000 They said, at the turn of the century, we are going to be buried under horse manure in New York City because there's too many horses and too much manure.

01:13:42.000 Well, they kind of are.

01:13:43.000 Well, they're buried under human manure. 0.97

01:13:45.000 But then they invented the car, and all of a sudden the horse manure problem changed.

01:13:49.000 Now, I do think there's an obvious mathematical equation that the planet can only sustain so many human beings.

01:13:56.000 And I don't know how many, I don't know what that number is.

01:14:00.000 I don't think we've got there yet.

01:14:01.000 We're not anywhere close.

01:14:02.000 I'm not entirely sure I agree.

01:14:03.000 I think, you know, a lot of people talk about, look, there's not that many humans.

01:14:07.000 The planet is almost entirely empty.

01:14:09.000 It's like, yes, but are there enough humans to disrupt a large chemical process, say, in the North Atlantic Current?

01:14:15.000 My issue is I do think population density is a huge problem.

01:14:18.000 New York is a large concrete block that can't sustain itself, and it creates massive pools of waste and an insane Yeah, but that's... the problem is the way humans are choosing to congregate.

01:14:28.000 But you could take the entire population of the globe and put them in Texas, and they'd still have a good amount of space.

01:14:32.000 It's just that we... you know, you have these vast expanses of land that aren't used, and we choose to pile into cities and so on, so that's... But that's true, but consider this.

01:14:41.000 You know, you could take the entire... you said the entire population of the planet, pile them in Texas, right? 0.67

01:14:45.000 Yeah.

01:14:47.000 prices. How much ammonia needs to be produced to disrupt the, you know, the

01:14:53.000 the oceans ecosystem or a natural cycle of like the ecosystem on this planet.

01:14:59.000 We don't need to flood the planet with ammonia, we don't need to, but, or you know

01:15:03.000 other chemicals, but humans do produce waste products and it's not just, you

01:15:07.000 know, the human literal waste products.

01:15:09.000 It's, uh, chemical byproducts and plastics.

01:15:11.000 So my, my concern is the amount of waste produced by humans to disrupt the entire planet is probably not as, it's not going to be like, you know, 10% of the planet surface of garbage destroys the planet.

01:15:23.000 It could be 0.01 causes a chemical disruption, which disrupts the ecosystem.

01:15:28.000 We've seen things like dead zones in the Gulf, dead zones in oceans where there's no oxygen and no life can live.

01:15:34.000 And there's the North Pacific garbage gyre. 0.96

01:15:36.000 The garbage gyres are really, really bad. 1.00

01:15:38.000 And this has an impact on life cycles of the entire planet.

01:15:43.000 Like that, for example, is not a population problem per se.

01:15:46.000 It's just what the people are choosing to do.

01:15:50.000 You could go to some of these rivers in Asia are just moving garbage dumps.

01:15:54.000 People just throwing their waste products into the river.

01:15:59.000 Meanwhile, like in America, we're blaming ourselves because of our plastic straws or whatever. 0.96

01:16:02.000 And now we've got paper straws and they suck. 0.95

01:16:04.000 Right, exactly. 0.99

01:16:05.000 And masks everywhere.

01:16:06.000 They're everywhere.

01:16:07.000 Like the mask thing, they choke the trees the way plastic bags used to.

01:16:11.000 But then you've got other parts of the world and it's like the rivers are literally just like conveyor belts for trash out to the ocean.

01:16:16.000 But that's what people are choosing to do.

01:16:18.000 You don't have to do that.

01:16:19.000 But scale it up.

01:16:20.000 But now we have microplastics in our bodies, right?

01:16:23.000 Eliminate human technological byproducts.

01:16:26.000 There is a point at which humans fart themselves to death.

01:16:29.000 Yeast does it in a bottle.

01:16:31.000 I'm not saying we're there.

01:16:33.000 I don't know where we'll be.

01:16:34.000 But mathematically, it's obvious that it exists.

01:16:37.000 Now, my point on top of this is, so I think pollution is a problem.

01:16:41.000 I think we should be aware of that and do our best to mitigate that, to live as clean as possible, minimize our entropy, maximize our entropy.

01:16:48.000 But also in the process, we should be colonizing other planets.

01:16:51.000 We should be doing scientific advancement.

01:16:53.000 We should be launching space stations. 0.82

01:16:54.000 I think we should be doing all of that stuff.

01:16:56.000 I think we should be totally, like, using the resources we have to bust out of the solar system.

01:17:01.000 Why?

01:17:02.000 Because we are a race of explorers and there's curiosity with what's out there.

01:17:07.000 Let's see.

01:17:08.000 Why?

01:17:08.000 For fun!

01:17:08.000 Like, literally for fun.

01:17:13.000 I'll give you a real answer.

01:17:15.000 My answer is real.

01:17:16.000 A real answer is... Fun is a real answer.

01:17:18.000 Humanity could be wiped out by a single comet right now.

01:17:20.000 If we had but a small space station on Mars, the humans on Mars would not be impacted by a crisis on Earth in the same way, making us more resilient and more prone to survival.

01:17:32.000 That's a good reason too.

01:17:33.000 That and fun.

01:17:34.000 I actually prefer the fun answer.

01:17:37.000 I think that's because if you try to argue that from a practicality standpoint, we have to build colonies on Mars.

01:17:47.000 What would be required for our planet to be more inhospitable than Mars?

01:17:55.000 At that point, probably humanity no longer exists anyway.

01:17:57.000 Couldn't we mine the asteroid belt? 0.95

01:18:00.000 That would be cool.

01:18:02.000 I'm in favor of colonizing the solar system if we can.

01:18:06.000 Not really because it makes a lot of practical sense, but just because that's what humanity is meant to do.

01:18:11.000 You're meant to strive for the horizons.

01:18:15.000 And I think when you stop doing that, then you're basically giving up on human civilization.

01:18:18.000 I'm against it, to be completely honest.

01:18:20.000 I'm so in favor of space exploration.

01:18:22.000 Because you're anti-colonialism.

01:18:24.000 Yes, actually, because I don't want the rock monsters to have to identify with a new species.

01:18:29.000 Shouldn't we be reaching out?

01:18:31.000 We had the exploration age, and we had people on ships, and they were going across uncharted waters, and we don't have that anymore, so where do you go now?

01:18:38.000 You go up.

01:18:38.000 Look at the copious amounts of money that it's taking to fund this stuff.

01:18:41.000 I bring up this problem with it, and this is an interesting perspective that I think really deviates if you hold a Christian worldview or an atheist worldview that I think we have to understand.

01:18:50.000 Because, obviously, if you're eschatologically, you know, sound in some way, even if you are in another religion, but specifically Christianity, which is the major religion in the United States, you know, there's this understanding that, at the end times, it says that people will be saying, like, life always has been and always will be.

01:19:03.000 People will be given in marriage. 0.81

01:19:05.000 They will be trading when God comes to judge the world.

01:19:08.000 In that way, then, there's an understanding that judgment comes when God comes to judge the world.

01:19:11.000 In the end of the age, the end of the world is in God's hands, and we're not going to just get struck with a comet.

01:19:16.000 However, if you don't believe that, Then I totally even understand what you're saying, because that is a total probability.

01:19:21.000 Scientifically, what you're saying, by the way, makes 100% logical to me.

01:19:23.000 But I want to make this point, though, about the colonization is sometimes I think that humans, we have this big man syndrome where I agree with the exploration.

01:19:31.000 And my wife was really having a difficult time. 0.98

01:19:33.000 I've been watching, like, cave accidents.

01:19:35.000 And she's like, why are people going into caves?

01:19:38.000 And this is where I would concede your point.

01:19:40.000 I said, dude, exploration and this idea of pushing the boundaries is part of the human spirit that God gave us.

01:19:47.000 Going into space is sort of a taxpayer-funded burden that I feel in many ways.

01:19:51.000 I mean, the privatization of it, what's happening now, is still very interesting as we're moving in that.

01:19:55.000 But overall, it's been very costly, and I've always wondered, those resources and that movement with going to Mars almost seems like a distraction.

01:20:01.000 Like, we talk about, you know, he's going into space, and it's like, we have problems here that I don't think those actually solve.

01:20:07.000 Yeah, but when we when we when we start exploring there's a couple points that have to be made

01:20:12.000 Yes technological advancements that came from taxpayer-funded space exploration last yeah and the money is spent doesn't

01:20:21.000 leave anywhere in It's cycled into the economy and it's good for the economy that people are working on these technologies.

01:20:26.000 Often when we have factories machining a lot of these parts, they remain and can machine other parts.

01:20:31.000 So technological advancement is just good across the board.

01:20:35.000 Also, it lets us dream.

01:20:36.000 It gives us a place to put our fantasies and our imaginings and our hopes for the future.

01:20:42.000 You're asking what problem does it solve?

01:20:44.000 Well, I think our most fundamental problem in our society right now is malaise and despair.

01:20:51.000 People have just given up on life, given up on life having any meaning.

01:20:54.000 And I'm not saying that space exploration solves that, but it helps anyway in that regard.

01:20:59.000 I mean, when was the last time that the United States of America were united together over something good that happened, celebrating a good thing that happened?

01:21:08.000 When's the last time that we had that, the United States?

01:21:10.000 Probably the moon landing.

01:21:11.000 I was going to say, since Chauvin got convicted.

01:21:14.000 That was the last time I saw everyone.

01:21:16.000 I really think the moon landing was the last time that the United States had a good thing that everybody together was cheering.

01:21:24.000 And so... Not even Caitlyn Jenner?

01:21:28.000 No, no, but the argument there, Matt, is this, and I want to say this.

01:21:32.000 People even argue whether that happened or not.

01:21:34.000 I don't have a strong opinion on the moon landing, but I will say... It definitely happened.

01:21:37.000 No, I'm saying people just... It really did happen.

01:21:39.000 People in the chat are going to argue, I'm saying, when you say that, I'm saying, but I'm not going to argue about this idea.

01:21:42.000 I don't think so.

01:21:42.000 I think they're mostly going to say it happened.

01:21:44.000 Okay, well, I don't know.

01:21:44.000 I've been seeing movements growing.

01:21:45.000 What I'm saying is I don't want to get stuck on that.

01:21:47.000 I want to say yes, I agree.

01:21:49.000 That moment was a total unifying factor and absolutely amazing.

01:21:52.000 What space exploration appears to be today is number one, the militarization of the outer hemispheres.

01:21:57.000 Number two, it seems to be not a national idea of a space race, of us coming together and having a national unity.

01:22:03.000 It seems to be who can afford a ticket to go out into the solar system and actually get out there.

01:22:07.000 It seems more like another rich man's ploy to escape Earth.

01:22:10.000 But here's the thing about that.

01:22:12.000 But new technology always exists for the wealthy.

01:22:14.000 And also, we had, you know, we had a government-funded space program that has now brought us to a point where we have private citizens who are able to further space research.

01:22:25.000 That's cool.

01:22:25.000 That's part of it.

01:22:26.000 That's part of the capitalist undertaking.

01:22:28.000 I'm not going to win anybody over here.

01:22:29.000 I know that.

01:22:29.000 No, you're definitely not going to.

01:22:32.000 I mean, imagine being like microwaves.

01:22:35.000 So you need to cook your food 10 minutes faster. 1.00

01:22:38.000 Rich people buy the stupidest things. 1.00

01:22:39.000 Just use this stuff. 1.00

01:22:40.000 Well, eventually everybody gets it.

01:22:41.000 But I want to ask an interesting question with the last few minutes we have before the Super Chats.

01:22:46.000 Space travel.

01:22:47.000 Gentlemen.

01:22:48.000 I believe everyone here is religious.

01:22:51.000 Assuming aliens exist, should humans travel the stars to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ?

01:22:57.000 To aliens?

01:22:58.000 To other planets?

01:22:58.000 To other worlds?

01:23:00.000 You know what's interesting about that?

01:23:01.000 Do you want to go ahead?

01:23:02.000 Yeah, well, so this is actually an interesting question, and there's a podcast I love listening to.

01:23:06.000 It's called Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World.

01:23:08.000 I'm going to shout it out.

01:23:09.000 He is a Catholic apologist.

01:23:10.000 He's very brilliant, and he'll talk about questions like this, which is not something you commonly get.

01:23:14.000 So very unique.

01:23:15.000 Fills a great niche.

01:23:16.000 He did a whole episode on the possibility of aliens and extraterrestrial life that I would really suggest the audience check out if they're interested in that kind of question.

01:23:25.000 But I personally, I don't know that I would have much to say about that.

01:23:30.000 I'm not sure the theological implications of extraterrestrial life.

01:23:33.000 What do you guys think?

01:23:34.000 What if they already know?

01:23:35.000 Yeah.

01:23:35.000 Right?

01:23:36.000 Wouldn't it be the craziest thing if like we land on this planet and we walk out and the first thing they say is, I'd like to have you heard about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

01:23:44.000 Right.

01:23:44.000 I mean the other thing too is it tells us in the gospel that the way to spread your faith is through kind acts and by living that faith.

01:23:53.000 Yeah, I mean, C.S.

01:23:54.000 Lewis talked a lot about this and wrote, you know, wrote science fiction.

01:23:58.000 And so he even speculated about, because we believe in the Christian faith that we're a fallen species, could you have, if there's another planet out there separated by light years and galaxies, could they even potentially be unfallen?

01:24:13.000 Maybe they had their own choice, they made the right choice.

01:24:15.000 And then what are the implications of us kind of mixing, do we, You guys ever watch American Dad?

01:24:19.000 of like the serpents in the garden now where we are the tempters.

01:24:23.000 So it's an interesting question.

01:24:25.000 I don't know what the answer to that is.

01:24:26.000 It's kind of interesting to speculate.

01:24:27.000 You guys ever watch American Dad?

01:24:28.000 Sadly.

01:24:30.000 So Roger the alien lives with them, but Stan, of course, they're Christian.

01:24:35.000 And so there's a story arc where the apocalypse happens and the rapture happens.

01:24:43.000 And then when all the good people are raptured, Jesus is on Earth and he sees Roger the alien.

01:24:49.000 He goes, oh, one of my father's side projects.

01:24:51.000 Oh, gosh.

01:24:52.000 I love those funny jokes.

01:24:53.000 That is amusing.

01:24:54.000 Do you believe in extraterrestrials?

01:24:56.000 I do.

01:24:57.000 Yeah.

01:24:57.000 All right.

01:24:58.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:24:59.000 I mean, to me, it just seems like the classic argument I find really compelling, which is just like a mathematical certainty, basically.

01:25:06.000 When you consider the expanse, just the sheer unimaginable size of the universe, you've got a hundred billion galaxies with a hundred billion Stars in each one, and then each surrounded by planets.

01:25:16.000 The idea that the entire thing is empty of life, to me, is just an absurdity.

01:25:23.000 I don't see any reason to assume that.

01:25:24.000 But I think that if someone who says they think it's all empty, it's almost like the burden of proof is on you, in a way.

01:25:31.000 That's the more absurd...

01:25:34.000 I hear what you're saying.

01:25:37.000 I think for me, I would not eliminate it as a possibility, but I would say I would need to see some evidence or proof that they exist because the argument is often made there are so many planets that could potentially have life on them.

01:25:48.000 Odds are, there must be life there.

01:25:50.000 But the problem with that is, first, you're assuming that life arising is an odds game, rather than an intentional act by a creative God, which is what I believe.

01:25:57.000 But even if it is an odds game, you're assuming that you have some idea of what the odds are.

01:26:01.000 So let's say there's a billion habitable planets.

01:26:03.000 Well, what if odds are only one in a billion?

01:26:05.000 Then it would make sense that Earth is the only planet with life.

01:26:07.000 Or, what if God intended to create life on other planets?

01:26:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:11.000 I don't see it as an odds game.

01:26:13.000 Here's the way I look at it.

01:26:14.000 It's like if you walk into a giant mansion with like hundreds of rooms and you're just right in the foyer and then you kind of look around and say, I think the whole place is empty.

01:26:25.000 If you were to say that, then it's like, then I'm going to say to you, well, why are you assuming that?

01:26:29.000 It just, it seems like the most logical thing to assume is that there's probably people in this house somewhere.

01:26:33.000 What if it's totally unfurnished and dusty and there's no shoes around and everything's covered in shoes and you've walked in?

01:26:41.000 But in this analogy, all you see is literally the foyer.

01:26:44.000 It's all you can see.

01:26:45.000 Yeah, but what's in the foyer?

01:26:46.000 Like, what are we seeing?

01:26:47.000 Are the tiles cracked?

01:26:48.000 I'm not going to mock your perspective, actually, because I mean, I think somebody might come in and be like, extraterrestrials.

01:26:54.000 I know where you're coming from.

01:26:56.000 I just feel like, from my worldview, I genuinely believe that life was intentional.

01:27:01.000 And because of how I believe the fallen nature of our closed universe really is, I believe that the curse that God judges based off of the action of man, it would be unfair to then judge that onto somebody else, at least that's intelligent.

01:27:12.000 Now if there was something unintelligent or some smaller form of simpler life form, obviously even the curse of man passes down to animals and lower life form here, so I guess that could exist.

01:27:21.000 However, I don't mock that because I do believe in the supernatural, which is even crazier.

01:27:26.000 There's so many people that don't believe in God, think the supernatural makes you a kooky guy, but then they believe in aliens.

01:27:30.000 So I'm not going to do the opposite back and like I don't believe in supernatural.

01:27:35.000 I do believe there's something else out there.

01:27:37.000 I just do not believe it is physical and I believe the physical was created here.

01:27:39.000 Can I just point out too that I think I do think it's strange that there are atheists who believe in ghosts.

01:27:44.000 That is weird.

01:27:44.000 Yes, and energy and stuff.

01:27:45.000 I don't get that.

01:27:46.000 But here's the thing, you guys are talking about like where this fallen, that humanity has fallen.

01:27:51.000 I think it's really sort of lucky that we were ejected from the garden and that we discovered our free will and I think it gives us a much closer relationship with God to choose that relationship as opposed to just being, you know, the children in the garden who are naked and innocent.

01:28:05.000 I think it's, you know, God gave us that free will and now we have the free will to love God fully.

01:28:14.000 Well, we had free will from from the beginning, but now we live more separated from God because of the fall, which is is taking us down a path away from aliens.

01:28:22.000 But it also I mean, we're going to the border.

01:28:26.000 We would have no Jesus Christ.

01:28:27.000 We would have no like we would not have this faith.

01:28:30.000 Well, Jesus would just be it would be like a knowledge.

01:28:33.000 It would not be a faith.

01:28:34.000 Jesus has existed eternally.

01:28:36.000 So we would still have Jesus Christ.

01:28:39.000 Yeah, but there was no Jesus Christ in the Garden of Eden.

01:28:41.000 There wouldn't have been a need for a redemptive saving act.

01:28:46.000 Right, I think that would be a good thing.

01:28:47.000 I think, I don't, yeah, I disagree.

01:28:49.000 I think it's good where we turned out.

01:28:51.000 Yeah, I actually, I just want to clarify a little bit because you brought up this idea of going into a house and you see the foyer and there's a lot of rooms.

01:28:58.000 My point is not that I'm dismissing the possibility or saying absolutely no, there's nothing out there.

01:29:02.000 It's just that until I saw someone there or had an indication that there was someone there, I wouldn't assume that anyone else was in the house.

01:29:08.000 Well, I think just the fact that the house exists and there's so many rooms is a pretty good... It's not proof, but you have a pretty good reason to assume that there's probably people in it somewhere.

01:29:19.000 So I think the assumption that it's empty is the one that needs more evidence.

01:29:23.000 Well, I'm not even necessarily saying it's empty.

01:29:24.000 I'm just saying, in order to believe in aliens, I think I would have to say, yes, I think they're there, and I'm not prepared to say that, given what I know.

01:29:32.000 So talking about the intentionality that God creates for a reason, which of course we all believe, so then what I would ask you guys is, We have all of these galaxies and solar systems that we can't even see.

01:29:43.000 We can't even look up at the sky and see that, oh, it's a pretty light, because the light hasn't even reached us yet.

01:29:48.000 And all just trillions of planets and everything.

01:29:51.000 Why does any of that exist?

01:29:53.000 Maybe for us?

01:29:53.000 For it to be entirely empty.

01:29:55.000 Maybe it's for us?

01:29:56.000 We will never see it or go anywhere near it or know that it's there, but it is there.

01:30:00.000 Maybe we will one day.

01:30:01.000 Maybe it's possible that it needs all of, like, that all of that is needed to support Earth.

01:30:05.000 That's true, though.

01:30:06.000 So I watched this really excellent lecture by this very Christian scientist.

01:30:11.000 He drew an interesting conclusion, but what he said was Jupiter is essentially a filter for the solar system, that its gravitational pull helps protect the inner planets, and that the Earth should be peppered with much more space debris, but Jupiter protects us.

01:30:25.000 And so he went on to explain how we're actually quite fortunate that life has arisen on Earth, but it's because of the entirety of the solar system that created this machine that we don't realize in the long run, that perhaps in the development of life at whatever stage, you know, one impact could have wiped out all life, like we already know with the dinosaurs, assuming that is the correct theory these days, they change it very often.

01:30:47.000 But Jupiter protects us, so the shape of the solar system matters.

01:30:50.000 I wonder if the rest of the universe matters too.

01:30:52.000 It's all part of one big machine.

01:30:54.000 I don't know.

01:30:54.000 I personally don't think that... I agree with you, Matt, that the expanse of the universe, I believe, suggests life probably exists somewhere else.

01:31:03.000 I think so, too.

01:31:04.000 Based on similar conditions on Earth, which we've witnessed and measured on other planets.

01:31:08.000 You know, I hope one day humanity will get there.

01:31:11.000 We should totally go check it out!

01:31:12.000 I hope I'm wrong on this one in some ways, because being somebody who really does love the physical approach to these things, It is so interesting that with everything we've put into space, and everything that we've tried to understand, that we have not found the viable forms of life we've actually tried to look for.

01:31:27.000 And maybe we're just way behind in our development and our technology.

01:31:31.000 And I'm ashamed in that, in the fact that I do believe in, like, it's good to study the stars and understand paths and whatnot.

01:31:37.000 But I also think, I don't know, going out there just trying to find life on other planets... Well, that's not the only thing.

01:31:42.000 We have found the life.

01:31:44.000 They've come here.

01:31:46.000 The life has come here.

01:31:47.000 It's like our Navy pilots are seeing UFOs all over the place.

01:31:49.000 They're telling us about it.

01:31:50.000 They're like, hey guys, look at those UFOs.

01:31:52.000 And we're all, you know, extraterrestrials.

01:31:54.000 What if the reality is aliens have already come here quite normally and boringly as say tourists, but they get stopped by intergovernmental panels who are like, humans do not know about this.

01:32:07.000 You cannot come to this planet.

01:32:08.000 This is one of my favorite sci-fi things.

01:32:10.000 is when humans don't know anything about extraterrestrials.

01:32:15.000 And then, like, some bureaucratic government somewhere else in the universe is like, just get rid of Earth.

01:32:19.000 We've got to put a highway there.

01:32:20.000 Yes.

01:32:21.000 I love that.

01:32:22.000 Of course.

01:32:22.000 Hitchhiker's Guide.

01:32:23.000 Of course.

01:32:24.000 But it happens in other stuff, too, where they're just like, get rid of Earth.

01:32:26.000 I love that story.

01:32:28.000 Let me ask you guys.

01:32:29.000 So we have launched Chicken City, which, of course, I'm extremely proud of.

01:32:33.000 One of the most super-chatted shows in the world already.

01:32:36.000 And do these chickens know what's going on outside the chicken coop?

01:32:40.000 They have no idea what exists outside there.

01:32:41.000 They don't even know what's going on in there.

01:32:43.000 They don't even know about the disco party.

01:32:45.000 They're confused by it.

01:32:46.000 What if we are, what if Earth is a chicken coop?

01:32:48.000 In essence, analogous to a chicken coop where aliens know that we're here and they just sit back and watch and they're live streaming it.

01:32:56.000 You know, I mean, South Park did the gag that aliens use Earth as a reality show.

01:33:01.000 I hope Ukraine generates some super chats, you know what I mean?

01:33:03.000 What if we're just a cherry in a bowl of cereal?

01:33:06.000 Who knows?

01:33:06.000 It's the Great Zoo hypothesis to Fermi's Paradox.

01:33:10.000 That maybe we are just a great zoo for the universe and the reason, you know, all these other great civilizations talk to each other all the time, and then Earth is just entertainment for them, so we're just not relevant.

01:33:20.000 And that's why they're not getting back to us on our gold record that we sent out there.

01:33:24.000 They're laughing at it?

01:33:25.000 They're just like, what the hell is this? 0.97

01:33:25.000 They sent us these weird naked pictures. 0.97

01:33:27.000 They sent us lewd images and we're offended by it. 0.86

01:33:32.000 I think it's possible.

01:33:33.000 I think it's sort of depressing.

01:33:36.000 I always go with the more depressing theory, which is that maybe civilization just reaches a point where it can't progress.

01:33:42.000 You reach a certain point where self-destruction is inevitable.

01:33:46.000 Well, actually, Seamus said we were spitballing some ideas, and Seamus had a great idea where it's like, the year is 2270, and like some guy travels to the future and everything's the exact same.

01:33:57.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:33:57.000 And they're like, that was it.

01:33:58.000 Yeah, we stopped.

01:33:59.000 Yeah, we stopped.

01:34:00.000 This is the peak of technology.

01:34:01.000 There's nothing else.

01:34:03.000 2022, that was it, huh?

01:34:05.000 They dropped the iPhone 12, and we're like, well, nothing else to do.

01:34:07.000 I guess we're done.

01:34:09.000 We're satisfied.

01:34:10.000 All right, how about we go to Super Chats?

01:34:12.000 If you haven't already, my friends, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, subscribe to TimCast.com.

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01:34:23.000 Eastern.

01:34:24.000 But for now, we will read your Super Chats and see what you have to say about our crazy conversation that we've been going through.

01:34:31.000 All right, Sean Turner says, lol live bird poop drop on Biden today was rolling on the floor laughing.

01:34:37.000 That's just today.

01:34:38.000 I thought this happened before.

01:34:39.000 Did you guys saw this?

01:34:40.000 I only heard about it when Lizzie mentioned it. 0.55

01:34:43.000 That Biden got pooped on.

01:34:44.000 Yeah, it was kind of funny.

01:34:45.000 Yeah, there's a little, there's a conspiracy around it, right?

01:34:48.000 Because it's not clear if he was pooped.

01:34:49.000 I didn't see the video.

01:34:50.000 Really?

01:34:50.000 It looks like pretty poopy.

01:34:52.000 Does it?

01:34:52.000 Okay.

01:34:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:53.000 Last time he pooped his pants, allegedly, right?

01:34:55.000 That's what it was.

01:34:56.000 He heard that story.

01:34:56.000 Yeah.

01:34:57.000 I mean, I don't know anymore with him because it's almost like the conspiracies are less bad than the reality.

01:35:01.000 Well, can I ask you something?

01:35:02.000 He fell up the stairs, we saw from your video.

01:35:04.000 This is the sad question, right? 0.67

01:35:05.000 But would you think any differently of him had he defecated in his pants? 0.95

01:35:09.000 I'm serious.

01:35:09.000 Would you see him as any less competent than you already do?

01:35:12.000 I'd see him as more competent.

01:35:17.000 I guess I guess I guess my point is people talk about this and it's uh, you know, it's it's gross But the point is people are so ready to believe it because whether it happened or not, it's not as if it would undermine his credibility I'm sorry to say I mean, he's an old man who can't take care of himself and he's leading the country. 0.52

01:35:33.000 He got a good pressing Yeah, yeah I'm not even trying to make fun of him, it's just sad.

01:35:37.000 have a rare there were fact checks on that he looked lost at the White House

01:35:40.000 reception and Reuters was like he did he didn't look lost at the White House

01:35:45.000 reception no he was just looking for this Secretary of the Interior which he

01:35:49.000 clearly lost which he couldn't find her all right here we go

01:35:52.000 We got Sandy Warren says, just landed in Nashville this morning.

01:35:56.000 The rain definitely wasn't something I was expecting.

01:35:58.000 What sort of cultural content were you guys looking to branch into?

01:36:00.000 As an army guy, I've been craving a non-satire place for military content.

01:36:05.000 I don't know if that's anything, you know, we're looking at just yet.

01:36:09.000 But in terms of cultural content and Nashville, we mentioned with John Rich on the show the other day that we were planning on going to Redneck Riviera, his venue, on Saturday.

01:36:17.000 I think it's going to be Saturday afternoon.

01:36:19.000 I don't know the exact time, so for those that were planning on being there, because I'm super excited.

01:36:23.000 It's going to be fun.

01:36:23.000 We're going to jam on his stage.

01:36:25.000 He's got a downtown Nashville.

01:36:28.000 Show up in the early morning and stay there all day, and then we'll figure out when we get there.

01:36:31.000 I think it's gonna be in the afternoon, so it's gonna be super fun.

01:36:33.000 Nashville's cool, man.

01:36:34.000 Being from Dallas, I gotta say this to all the Nashvilleites.

01:36:37.000 I don't know what they're called.

01:36:39.000 Nashvilleonians, whatever you guys are.

01:36:40.000 I think that's a pastry.

01:36:43.000 I went out on a Monday night.

01:36:45.000 I mean, I didn't drink or anything because I wasn't planning on going out and doing anything crazy.

01:36:49.000 That's popping more than any area in Dallas on a Monday night.

01:36:52.000 I walked out and it was like party central.

01:36:54.000 I went out also Monday night, but I was drinking and I had a great time.

01:36:59.000 I would've went and grabbed a beer.

01:37:00.000 I just didn't know.

01:37:01.000 I didn't know Mondays were cool in Nashville.

01:37:04.000 I think every night is basically... Deep Ellum, someone just gets shot.

01:37:07.000 That's our equivalent.

01:37:08.000 I like Deep Ellum.

01:37:10.000 Alright, Funny Farm says, Matt, you surely inspired many as the country's premier LGBT author.

01:37:15.000 Do you have any tips for someone who wants to contribute to the market of children's books?

01:37:19.000 Keep it up, you're my spirit animal.

01:37:22.000 Well, um, the Daily Wire is getting, this is our big announcement, we're getting into children's content, so, um, get in touch with us, I guess.

01:37:30.000 Would you be interested in a Chicken City children's show?

01:37:33.000 I think it sounds great, I don't think you need to change it to make it a children's show, just, my kids would watch that.

01:37:37.000 Oh, yeah, like the chicken parties?

01:37:39.000 Like, I hear from parents, they're like, their kids are like, I wanna see the chicken party, and then they'll donate, and then the chicken party happens, and the chickens just go nuts.

01:37:46.000 I mean, yeah.

01:37:47.000 It's probably the, you know, Chicken City might save this world.

01:37:50.000 It's gonna unite everybody.

01:37:51.000 I think that's it.

01:37:52.000 No one can deny the chickens are hilarious and heartwarming.

01:37:54.000 They are hilarious and heartwarming. 0.94

01:37:56.000 It's ridiculous.

01:37:57.000 Can I, before we read another Super Chat, I just want to shout Ian out, because this was, this is a very packed, full house tonight, and he had to, he and I had a conversation about who was gonna do this show tonight.

01:38:06.000 He very gracefully agreed to let me do it so we could have a panel of Papists.

01:38:08.000 Very gracious.

01:38:10.000 And so he'll be back, but just wanted to thank him.

01:38:12.000 Shane was just like, come on, man, there's so many Catholics. 1.00

01:38:14.000 I was like, come on!

01:38:15.000 We got to take it over, man.

01:38:16.000 You know, there's a lot of Catholics here because, like, the first thing we talk about is the principle of double effect. 0.92

01:38:23.000 All right.

01:38:23.000 So we got a bunch of super chats from back during the conversation about abortion.

01:38:26.000 Sandy Warren says, do ectopic pregnancies and placenta previa count as abortion?

01:38:31.000 No.

01:38:31.000 Yeah.

01:38:32.000 No, I know that I can't.

01:38:33.000 I can only speak to ectopic pregnancies.

01:38:35.000 I know that even WebMD and Planned Parenthood have said they're not classified as abortion.

01:38:38.000 So really?

01:38:39.000 Yeah.

01:38:40.000 Interesting.

01:38:40.000 Well, it's not an abortion if it's not in the womb.

01:38:44.000 All right, here we go.

01:38:46.000 What is this?

01:38:46.000 It's like Kleinfeld is not transgenderism.

01:38:49.000 It's the same thing.

01:38:49.000 Like when you talk about actual genetic and problems that are going on in the body, it's just a whole nother category.

01:38:54.000 Exactly.

01:38:54.000 But they want to select that one edge case in order to justify everything else.

01:39:00.000 And the double effect principle applies to the ectopic pregnancy too.

01:39:02.000 Go to the triple effect.

01:39:04.000 All right, Josh, Karen says Elijah being on the show made me double check what show I was watching.

01:39:08.000 Where is Sydney?

01:39:10.000 Oh, she's back in Dallas, but I'm here live and I'm traveling, so I don't know.

01:39:15.000 Yeah, we were like, dude, come on our show. 0.99

01:39:16.000 Your show's dumb. 0.99

01:39:17.000 Yeah, he's like, you're right. 1.00

01:39:18.000 He's like, get the hell out of here.

01:39:19.000 Hell out of Dallas and I'm like, I don't want to get shot in Deep Ellum.

01:39:22.000 I want to go drink a beer in Nashville.

01:39:23.000 Well, we, you know, actually Elijah didn't want to come on the show, but we fired up our transportation device, which ricocheted off the satellite and just beamed him here.

01:39:29.000 I was literally, I was like walking to the stage and I showed up and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is my favorite LGBT author.

01:39:35.000 Well, and I also, I really want to reaffirm that what that raid did is it, it vaporized him and then duplicated him elsewhere.

01:39:42.000 Cause that's how transporters work. 0.94

01:39:43.000 So the original Elijah is no more.

01:39:45.000 I already died the minute I had to go on the adamaze.com child teaching kids about sex sites.

01:39:50.000 You're like, you know what, you can teleport me.

01:39:52.000 Yeah, that's fine. 0.99

01:39:52.000 I was like, kill the rest of me. 0.99

01:39:55.000 All right.

01:39:58.000 Draconius says, I find it really interesting that the New York subway incident happened the very next day after Biden announced the radical gun control agenda.

01:40:07.000 The government wouldn't create a crisis to push legislation, right?

01:40:11.000 Well, I actually think it's more so just the media wouldn't over-cover certain stories and go nuts with them to pursue some kind of political agenda.

01:40:20.000 You know, when Ukraine happens, all of a sudden every media outlet is like, come on, stand with Ukraine.

01:40:24.000 And I'm like, you know, we don't see this for every other war the U.S.

01:40:26.000 is engaged in or every other conflict.

01:40:29.000 You don't got people walking around with Saudi Arabia or Yemen flags talking about conflict over there, weapons sales.

01:40:34.000 You don't see it with Afghanistan or Iraq.

01:40:36.000 So when the media latches on and pushes the narrative, that's the question I have.

01:40:39.000 Not whether or not people stage stuff.

01:40:40.000 I mean, they do, but it's also the media just being like, ooh, look at that thing.

01:40:46.000 All right, Joshua Sheldon says, Matt, as to the new skirmish you're starting with libertarians, should there be a limit to using the law to cover all of morality?

01:40:56.000 Should drunken hookup culture be outlawed? 0.95

01:41:00.000 Well, you'd have to be more specific about outlawing drunken hookup culture. 0.71

01:41:03.000 I mean, I would be... I would entertain some laws that might curtail it some, but that's kind of a broad question.

01:41:10.000 I think, though, look, with the legislating morality bit, what we have to understand is that every law legislates morality, because every law is based in some sense of what is good and what is bad.

01:41:23.000 Because if you weren't legislating morality, as they say, then you'd be making laws.

01:41:26.000 What, arbitrarily?

01:41:27.000 You'd be making laws with no idea if it's good or bad?

01:41:31.000 Maybe that's what's actually happening.

01:41:33.000 Now, we do have laws that are legislating morality wrongly or according to the wrong moral code, but at the end of the day, it does come down to whether it's good or bad.

01:41:41.000 So it's kind of like, everything that's illegal Nothing should be illegal unless it's bad.

01:41:48.000 That doesn't mean that every bad thing should be illegal.

01:41:51.000 There used to be laws against hookup culture basically there used to be this law

01:41:54.000 There used to be a crime of seduction that I think is still on the books in Mississippi perhaps

01:41:59.000 Yeah, so the crime of seduction would be if you were um, if you were a young woman who slept with a man 1.00

01:42:06.000 Who had promised to marry you and you slept with him under the pretenses that he was going to marry you 0.99

01:42:10.000 And then he didn't marry you you could he could be charged with the crime of seduction. Oh, wow. Yeah

01:42:17.000 That's crazy.

01:42:17.000 RV's being mad about us fighting against hookup culture.

01:42:20.000 Every RV needs hookups.

01:42:21.000 That's my dad joke of the day.

01:42:24.000 black czar says the failing of the drunk driver to pregnancy analogy is that it presumes it is by state design a system exists whereby one must provide vital aid to another but in reality the system predates society the umbilical cord is not a social contract what comes after is interesting all right billy two cents says just a question wouldn't a woman getting an abortion be the equivalent of hiring a hitman in that case why not punish the woman you wouldn't just punish the hitman in a similar situation What if, and just to elaborate or to expand upon this, often the assassins are government agents undercover to arrest the woman who wants to kill her husband or the husband and his wife.

01:43:04.000 What if you eventually end up with G-man abortion doctors and the women go in and he pulls out his badge like, I gotcha! 0.98

01:43:09.000 You're under arrest!

01:43:11.000 Well, even the law in Oklahoma doesn't punish the woman, it punishes the doctor. 1.00

01:43:14.000 I'm just saying hypothetically and under this premise.

01:43:17.000 Yeah, you get into this question about should you punish the woman. 1.00

01:43:20.000 I mean, I think it's just like any other, just like with our murder laws that govern the murder of born people.

01:43:25.000 It's, it's, it's, you look at the, at the circumstances, it's not like you have one penalty in place for murder.

01:43:31.000 There's different degrees of murder and so on.

01:43:33.000 So I think if abortion is characterized legally as murder, which it should be, it's going to be sort of like the same sort of thing, you know? 0.70

01:43:39.000 Yeah.

01:43:40.000 Yeah, I would agree with that.

01:43:41.000 There certainly have been places where the woman was criminalized for, held criminally liable for abortion, or attempted abortion.

01:43:51.000 Yeah, and there have also been instances where people have been charged with killing an unborn child when it wasn't theirs.

01:43:57.000 So, for example, someone can be charged with double homicide.

01:43:59.000 Wasn't that the Scott Lacy thing?

01:44:01.000 Yeah, so someone can be charged with double homicide if they kill someone who's pregnant.

01:44:03.000 Do you guys remember that case?

01:44:05.000 What's this guy?

01:44:05.000 And he like he killed his wife and her unborn baby.

01:44:10.000 And then he was charged twice. 0.99

01:44:11.000 Black guy.

01:44:12.000 Oh, wow.

01:44:13.000 It was in Boston.

01:44:14.000 Am I getting everything screwed up?

01:44:15.000 I think it was in Boston.

01:44:16.000 Scott Peterson.

01:44:18.000 Oh, there was Peterson, too.

01:44:20.000 Yeah.

01:44:22.000 Here's I don't know who Scott Lacy is.

01:44:25.000 I have no idea.

01:44:26.000 Lacy Peterson, you mean?

01:44:27.000 Lacy Peterson.

01:44:28.000 There you go.

01:44:29.000 Now it's all right.

01:44:30.000 We'll start throwing names out.

01:44:31.000 Just throw it all out there.

01:44:33.000 I was just going to say, I mean, if abortion is illegal, then everybody involved should be criminally liable for it.

01:44:38.000 I absolutely believe that.

01:44:39.000 But that doesn't mean, what is the penalty and all that?

01:44:43.000 Then you have to look at the individual circumstances just like you do with any other murder.

01:44:47.000 Yeah, I was asked this, well I just want to clarify, I was asked this question on the last show and my thinking at the time was basically, well, A lot of these women don't know what they're doing, etc. 0.99

01:44:56.000 I think they're lied to by the abortion industry, and I still argue that we should take those things into account, but again, if we believe that it's murder, then it becomes a question of what kind of punishment, and not necessarily a question of is there punishment at all.

01:45:09.000 Michael Tierney says, Tim, once they allow abortions for rape victims, false rape accusations will skyrocket and innocent men will be in prison.

01:45:18.000 Perhaps.

01:45:18.000 What do you guys think?

01:45:19.000 Will women make up rape stories just to be able to get an abortion and kill a baby and then put a guy in prison? 1.00

01:45:25.000 I mean, that sounds a bit extreme, right?

01:45:27.000 Well, that is one of the many problems with the rape exception, is that it's just, how do you even enforce it in the first place?

01:45:33.000 So, you know, I think you shouldn't have the exception because the baby, it's wrong to kill the baby, but also, you put that exception in place, then, right, it is hard to, how do you differentiate?

01:45:43.000 How do you enforce that?

01:45:44.000 Do you consider yourself pro-choice, Libby?

01:45:46.000 You know, I continue to have questions about this issue.

01:45:51.000 I definitely am not in favor of abortion.

01:45:53.000 I don't think anyone should have an abortion.

01:45:55.000 I think it's exactly the wrong thing to do and I don't think anyone should do it.

01:45:59.000 I do have questions about, you know, situations of rape and incest.

01:46:05.000 I do have questions about that.

01:46:08.000 Yeah, so I think that the way to pursue it is to encourage a value system that values parenthood, that values mothers, that values life.

01:46:18.000 I bring this up because we have a good one.

01:46:20.000 Vincent Young says, you can't have the government decide abortion.

01:46:22.000 Humanity has to want life.

01:46:24.000 It's the only way to change consciousness.

01:46:25.000 And you mentioned- I agree with that.

01:46:27.000 That applies to infanticide, though.

01:46:29.000 That argument.

01:46:30.000 Well, the government can't ban abortion.

01:46:31.000 People just have to not want to do it because they should want life to exist.

01:46:34.000 It's not saying they shouldn't.

01:46:37.000 It's saying to solve the problem.

01:46:38.000 Oh, okay.

01:46:38.000 And I think you brought up earlier, there's a cultural issue.

01:46:41.000 I do think that's right.

01:46:42.000 There's actually an anti-abortion advocate in Texas, Destiny Hernandez, do I have her name right? 1.00

01:46:50.000 I don't remember exactly, but her organization works to encourage motherhood. 0.77

01:46:56.000 She's not trying to change policy, she's trying to change women's minds. 1.00

01:47:01.000 Brian Prius says, if an unborn person's value is dependent upon the condition of conception, is it wrong to kill the same person post-birth if conceived by rape?

01:47:10.000 If so, why the difference?

01:47:11.000 A person is always a person deserving of a chance of life.

01:47:13.000 I completely agree with that. 0.56

01:47:14.000 I was always confused by a conservative argument that there's an exception for rape and incest in terms of killing the baby.

01:47:21.000 Now, you know, the argument or the discussion I'd say we had was making a person carry the baby that they didn't choose to. 0.95

01:47:28.000 But I think there's that, the ultimate conclusion was a woman won't die from having the baby, but the baby will die from the abortion. 0.88

01:47:37.000 And that's why I was making the point about with born children, we have no problem saying to the parent, no matter how the child was conceived, you have a responsibility to that child.

01:47:47.000 And so I don't see why we can't apply the same principle.

01:47:51.000 Alright, so we got a bunch of these ones, and there were some directed at you.

01:47:55.000 Kyle Brussveen says, Tim Poole, quote, can't kill anyone on death row in case they are not guilty. 0.82

01:48:00.000 Also, Tim Poole, in cases of rape, kill the innocent child slash victim.

01:48:04.000 Tim, you are almost there. 0.89

01:48:06.000 No, I've repeatedly said I think abortion is wrong.

01:48:08.000 I think there's a challenge in answering ethical questions around what the government has the right to enforce in certain circumstances as it pertains to individuals' life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, while fully acknowledging every time that life begins at conception.

01:48:21.000 I just think that there's ethical challenges.

01:48:25.000 But I think if there's any issue with no middle ground, it is absolutely abortion.

01:48:29.000 It is a spire, and you're on one side or the other.

01:48:33.000 There's no teetering in the middle of that one.

01:48:36.000 I don't know if you wanted to elaborate.

01:48:39.000 I'm thoroughly opposed to abortion.

01:48:42.000 I'm thoroughly opposed to capital punishment as well.

01:48:44.000 I don't think the government should be killing prisoners either.

01:48:49.000 I think the issue is the left has turned what was supposed to amount to safe, legal, and rare as a begrudging compromise.

01:48:55.000 They turned it into You get an abortion and you get an abortion. 1.00

01:48:57.000 You know, that's sort of the real issue for me.

01:49:00.000 It was so interesting.

01:49:02.000 I was raised Catholic by my dad's second wife and I went to Catholic school and we saw videos of abortion when I was in eighth grade.

01:49:12.000 And I've been entirely opposed to abortion ever since then.

01:49:16.000 And my mom thought it was horrifying when I eventually moved in with her that I was so opposed to abortion.

01:49:22.000 And so I've had decades of debate with my mom on this issue.

01:49:26.000 I gotta give a shout out to the 800 people who said adoption in the super chats.

01:49:30.000 Yes.

01:49:31.000 Definitely a lot of people have mentioned adoption.

01:49:32.000 I agree.

01:49:33.000 I definitely do.

01:49:34.000 Yeah, my family wouldn't exist without adoption.

01:49:36.000 Yeah, I disagree with the idea of abortion as contraception.

01:49:39.000 I think it used to be in this country that was the case.

01:49:42.000 But now the left, modern left, is just like, why not?

01:49:45.000 The other issue, too, that we have is that there's this idea that you shouldn't be ashamed of having an abortion, that you shouldn't feel bad about it.

01:49:51.000 And that also, I think, is an issue that you're supposed to be like, yay, I had an abortion. 0.78

01:49:56.000 You know, I saw a cake today and it was like, it's an abortion instead of it's a boy. 0.95

01:50:02.000 It was like, you know, some That's also a massive thing. 0.88

01:50:06.000 And that's a huge issue for me as well, that like, this is something that, you know, people, Hollywood celebrities get up and accept awards saying, I couldn't have done this if I didn't kill my baby.

01:50:15.000 It's like, that's a horrifying, horrifying. 0.61

01:50:17.000 It is horrifying.

01:50:19.000 That's like, that's, that's massive overcompensation on their part.

01:50:22.000 That's that's that's them trying to convince themselves by convincing the rest of us that they're happy with

01:50:27.000 I think it's true because I I'm pretty sure we were talking about this on the show a few months ago

01:50:32.000 That people who have kids develop a harder drive. Mm-hmm.

01:50:36.000 So it's like I don't understand why you know Terminating your children makes you better. In fact, most

01:50:41.000 stories I know are people who are like When they had kids they became more driven and like I have

01:50:47.000 it makes it so much easier to prioritize What you want to do and what you don't want to do like

01:50:51.000 after my son was born and I wanted to spend time I wanted to like properly mother my child

01:50:56.000 It was so much easier when like some random project came up to just be like nope not doing that one

01:51:01.000 You know just don't care I'm gonna do gonna hang out with my kid instead

01:51:06.000 All right.

01:51:06.000 We got a ton of super chats on this one debate, but I don't want to just, uh, take the whole super chat up by people.

01:51:12.000 Yeah, but really, really, you know, great points.

01:51:14.000 I appreciate it.

01:51:15.000 Um, and, and I'll shout out to Brett, uh, Tesla and everybody else who keeps saying, yo, yo guys mentioned adoption.

01:51:21.000 Uh, he says I'm a, I'm adopted, adopted child and adoptive parent.

01:51:24.000 And it's infuriating.

01:51:25.000 The adoption option is often disregarded.

01:51:26.000 No, I completely agree with adoption and there's a huge wait list.

01:51:30.000 Parents want to adopt kids, man.

01:51:31.000 For infant adoption in particular.

01:51:34.000 How about adopt older children?

01:51:36.000 I think adopting older children is a really strong, good move.

01:51:41.000 All right, Sanity Clause says, the ban for talking about veteran status was specifically created to get rid of a Navy SEAL who was outing people who lied about serving slash type of service, like being a SEAL, Ranger, in combat, etc., left slanted policy not meant to protect real vets.

01:51:56.000 Interesting.

01:51:57.000 I mean, I remember seeing that and I was like, really?

01:51:58.000 Veterans?

01:51:59.000 You can't disparage veterans.

01:52:00.000 I mean, you shouldn't.

01:52:02.000 You know, you can disparage people for being bad people, I suppose, but yeah.

01:52:07.000 Alright, John Castle says, Tim and Co, talking of a movie the Daily Wire could make, look up The Battle of Castle Itter.

01:52:14.000 I for one think it'd make a great movie.

01:52:17.000 Interesting.

01:52:17.000 Is there a movie, is there a Beowulf movie?

01:52:20.000 Yes.

01:52:21.000 Really?

01:52:21.000 Is it good?

01:52:22.000 I haven't seen it.

01:52:22.000 I don't know, do you like the story of Beowulf?

01:52:24.000 Yeah.

01:52:25.000 Well, maybe you'll like it.

01:52:26.000 Maybe.

01:52:26.000 But you know, as they often make movies, they... They're not always, they don't always make great movies.

01:52:33.000 Know not to give says, Matt and Libby hit an important point.

01:52:37.000 Kids are learning that natural changes are a disease.

01:52:40.000 That's, that's creepy to me.

01:52:41.000 It was just like, you know, you're going to go through puberty and something's going to happen.

01:52:45.000 Welcome to life.

01:52:46.000 And now we're like, but we can stop it with technology.

01:52:49.000 And what is that going to do to people?

01:52:50.000 I reinforced to my son, who's probably going to be a big, tall guy.

01:52:54.000 I didn't tell him, I'm like, you're going to grow up to be a really big, tall guy.

01:52:58.000 And that's great.

01:52:58.000 That's a great thing to be.

01:53:00.000 You gotta show them Chicken City.

01:53:03.000 Oh, he's seen Chicken City.

01:53:04.000 Because you see the rooster.

01:53:06.000 You know, here's the fascinating thing.

01:53:07.000 And, you know, I'll take every opportunity to mention Chicken City.

01:53:09.000 When we got the chickens, we were told they were all hens.

01:53:13.000 And they all looked the same.

01:53:14.000 And then one day we're like, that one's starting to look a little different.

01:53:17.000 What's going on?

01:53:17.000 Chicken puberty.

01:53:19.000 Now Roberto is twice as tall as the other ones.

01:53:22.000 They behave differently.

01:53:24.000 No one, these chickens didn't have parents.

01:53:26.000 They were hatched, put in a box.

01:53:27.000 Orphaned chickens.

01:53:29.000 But they developed these characteristics because, you know, sexual dimorphism is a thing.

01:53:34.000 And you can see that.

01:53:36.000 Plus we have the babies hatching.

01:53:38.000 Very educational show.

01:53:39.000 Good for kids.

01:53:39.000 So you adopted Chicken City.

01:53:40.000 Chicken Run, by the way, side note, was an incredible movie, and it was actually the first movie, and there was Chicken Run 2 as well.

01:53:46.000 I didn't see either of those.

01:53:47.000 But now we have Chicken Run 3, Chicken City, which is the next installment.

01:53:51.000 Can I just say, I have this experience so often as a parent, I tried to, because that's actually a kid's movie that I can watch and endure.

01:53:59.000 And I tried to show it to my kids and they just, they hated it.

01:54:03.000 You know what, it's sad though because that's another form of animation that's just been lost because everything's CG now.

01:54:09.000 That claymation, that film is so masterfully animated.

01:54:12.000 It's very comical too.

01:54:14.000 Alright, Firebelly.

01:54:15.000 We watch Wallace and Gromit at my house.

01:54:17.000 We like it.

01:54:17.000 Firebelly says, kid has better taste than my kids.

01:54:20.000 Matt, have you considered broadening your academic pursuits into fat studies?

01:54:25.000 Hey, this is a smart move.

01:54:27.000 Yeah, well, I know Steven Crowder already had that covered.

01:54:29.000 Oh, that's right, that's right.

01:54:30.000 He did a good job on that.

01:54:32.000 Yeah, I'm kind of, you know, I'm branching out slowly, but right now I'm kind of settled as a woman study scholar.

01:54:37.000 I saw a meme and it was like, Matt Walsh, comma, who doesn't know what a woman is, comma, and I thought it was a funny insult because I'm like, yo, it's you guys who can't answer the question.

01:54:44.000 Yeah.

01:54:46.000 You defined it every opportunity you had so their insult is you can't when it's it's them.

01:54:52.000 That's the joke Yeah, so it's like like Socrates who doesn't know what impiety was like the point is you ask the question because you know the answer But you know, they don't right It's all they can do.

01:55:01.000 You know, but, uh, I mean, it's fascinating.

01:55:05.000 I wonder what parents, I'm really curious to see what happens this, uh, this November.

01:55:08.000 I don't think just voting Republican solves anything.

01:55:10.000 I think voting in the primaries and knowing who you're voting for can help solve some things,

01:55:14.000 but I'm wondering how many parents are going to be like, yeah, I'm not going to vote for

01:55:16.000 those people because they can't define what a woman is. 1.00

01:55:18.000 I wonder how many suburban housewives are going to be like, I think I know what a woman is. 1.00

01:55:23.000 And when they try to flip it around on us, it's like, well you could, I mean I have a, I haven't even mentioned it yet, I have a movie coming out called What Is A Woman, go to whatisawoman.com, and you could easily embarrass me in particular, but a lot of us, just by giving a definition, just give a definition of the word, I've got like a book and a movie coming out.

01:55:42.000 You could totally negate that and make it really embarrassing by just defining.

01:55:45.000 Give me the definition.

01:55:47.000 Would you accept the Oxford Dictionary?

01:55:51.000 Yeah, but that's the definition they don't want to give.

01:55:54.000 Adult human female is the definition. 0.95

01:55:57.000 But if you don't want to go with that definition, then what is it?

01:56:00.000 And they can't do that.

01:56:02.000 I just want to ask you, is there anything even close to a coherent definition you got from anyone?

01:56:07.000 Absolutely not.

01:56:09.000 Wow.

01:56:09.000 That's fascinating.

01:56:10.000 But you know what?

01:56:10.000 Absolutely not.

01:56:11.000 That's weird.

01:56:11.000 But it's such a simple thing to say.

01:56:12.000 I apologize for interrupting, by the way.

01:56:13.000 I thought you were done.

01:56:13.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:56:14.000 Matt, that is weird, because what I also saw was a total gaslight recently, was people keep saying, especially conservatives, biological males and biological females, as if there is... No, but as if there is.

01:56:25.000 Like, when you're in biology, you never say, well, this is a biological male, that's a male, and that's a female.

01:56:29.000 There's a reason that this is said.

01:56:30.000 Well, I know why people say it.

01:56:32.000 People say it because otherwise you're going to get banned on social media.

01:56:35.000 I mean, yes and no.

01:56:36.000 And you're going to come up against Canadian hate speech law.

01:56:39.000 I'm just saying we've had to add an African American, a hyphen, like a biological male. 1.00

01:56:43.000 I agree.

01:56:43.000 I agree with that.

01:56:44.000 That's better not to say biological male because it does seem to insinuate or imply rather that there's another type.

01:56:50.000 I agree as well.

01:56:52.000 When I say it, I say it more, and I'm trying not to say it anymore, but for me it was always like a point of emphasis.

01:56:57.000 I used to say it too.

01:56:58.000 It's like saying, I'm standing on solid grounds.

01:57:00.000 Like, well, of course the ground is solid.

01:57:01.000 It's just emphasizing that the ground is solid.

01:57:04.000 Right.

01:57:04.000 Biological male just emphasizes the biological male.

01:57:06.000 What if you said something like, Leah Thomas is the first male to win the women's NCAA swim, you know, You get banned on Twitter.

01:57:13.000 No, I tweeted that.

01:57:15.000 I tweeted that.

01:57:15.000 Yeah?

01:57:15.000 Did you get banned?

01:57:16.000 No, I didn't.

01:57:16.000 No?

01:57:16.000 It worked out?

01:57:17.000 It's a scientific word.

01:57:18.000 Well, maybe it's going to start switching back.

01:57:20.000 Maybe we're going to start being able to say the truth online again.

01:57:22.000 Now that Elon Musk has those shares.

01:57:24.000 Right?

01:57:24.000 Who knows?

01:57:25.000 There's several issues.

01:57:26.000 One is elitism.

01:57:28.000 How powerful are you on their platform?

01:57:31.000 And they try to avoid big splash bans and suspensions.

01:57:34.000 So I've got a million Twitter followers.

01:57:36.000 Oh yeah, I definitely don't.

01:57:37.000 Right, exactly.

01:57:38.000 So there's a privilege in that because Twitter's like, this would be bad for the platform, and it would also create a big wave of news, which we don't want, so we'll give passes to certain people.

01:57:49.000 But also, I look at their rules very carefully, and I know what I tweet doesn't break the rules, and the left flips out.

01:57:54.000 They're like, Tim Pool is transphobic!

01:57:56.000 I'm not gonna disparage nobody!

01:57:57.000 I you don't you agree that it's not biologically male. I'm not disparaging Leah Thomas. In fact,

01:58:02.000 I actually argued that the women weren't speaking up and that if the rules were set and no parent 1.00

01:58:08.000 complained and no swimmer complained, why should I be mad about something they're not complaining

01:58:12.000 about? I did find it incredibly frustrating that no one that so few people were willing to

01:58:17.000 put their face and name to their complaints.

01:58:20.000 You had parents speaking anonymously, swimmers speaking anonymously.

01:58:23.000 It was infuriating.

01:58:24.000 We just talked to Jonathan Isaac.

01:58:27.000 He's the NBA player who refused to kneel for Black Lives Matter during the anthem, and they got mad at him.

01:58:33.000 They're like, hey, everyone's doing this.

01:58:35.000 And he was like, it's not what I believe.

01:58:36.000 And he's like, I'm not mad at you for kneeling.

01:58:37.000 I just, this is what I believe.

01:58:39.000 And I was like, you know, it was so refreshing to hear his story.

01:58:41.000 We interviewed him for a, for a special we're doing.

01:58:43.000 And I was just like, that's amazing, dude.

01:58:45.000 And it's like, this is what you feel.

01:58:47.000 It's what you believe.

01:58:47.000 Like, I don't care if Colin Kaepernick wants to kneel or whatever, but he brought politics into the game.

01:58:52.000 He brought politics into the game.

01:58:53.000 And I can understand people being like, we don't want it here.

01:58:56.000 Now that they've made everything about politics as a guy who's saying like, I don't want to kneel.

01:58:59.000 And I'm like, you shouldn't have to.

01:59:01.000 If you want to politicize the game and make it politics, the one guy who just stands like they normally do is now being told he's making it political.

01:59:08.000 I'm like, he's the guy who's not making it political.

01:59:10.000 Everyone else is.

01:59:12.000 Alright, we'll do a couple more Super Chats here.

01:59:15.000 BoxfedTV says, Matt, I live in Hollywood.

01:59:18.000 My writer friends have scripts.

01:59:19.000 How can they get them to you guys they want out of Hollywood?

01:59:23.000 The Daily Wire?

01:59:24.000 Yeah.

01:59:24.000 I don't even know if I'm legally allowed to answer that.

01:59:27.000 Well, just get in touch with, uh, go to dailywire.com and go through that.

01:59:32.000 I don't know.

01:59:32.000 People should understand, um, there are challenges to sending unsolicited materials anywhere.

01:59:38.000 Have you ever watched, you guys ever see, you ever see Airheads?

01:59:41.000 He, uh, Brendan Fraser's character sneaks into the record label and he's like, check out my CD.

01:59:44.000 And he's like, that is not solicited.

01:59:46.000 I cannot look at it.

01:59:47.000 Right.

01:59:47.000 Because it, what happens is someone sends an email, an employee looks at it.

01:59:51.000 Now the company can never go anywhere near anything related to that content because they'll get accused of stealing it.

01:59:56.000 Plus, why not?

01:59:57.000 Don't send it to me, I guess is the answer.

01:59:58.000 Go to dailywire.com.

01:59:59.000 And maybe make your own movie.

02:00:01.000 Get some funding.

02:00:02.000 Make your own stuff.

02:00:04.000 Make more content.

02:00:06.000 You don't need permission.

02:00:08.000 Just get your truck and move and make your movie somewhere.

02:00:13.000 Goff says, so fun to see Matt talk about aliens.

02:00:16.000 It is a happy day for Matt, even though it doesn't show.

02:00:18.000 Yes.

02:00:19.000 Yeah, I was really glad that we were able to get into that.

02:00:24.000 I'm totally outnumbered at the Daily Wire, by the way.

02:00:26.000 We've had this conversation on the backstage shows and I'm just like, it's me against the world there on the alien topic.

02:00:32.000 They don't believe it or they don't want to talk about it?

02:00:34.000 You left the wrong company because I feel like I'm the one outnumbered where I'm like not big into extraterrestrial and everyone's like, I just sit there and I'm like, I'm not even gonna try to make a case because I'm sitting with like five people.

02:00:42.000 It's always I'm sitting around five people that are like big on the extraterrestrial so I'm just like, whatever.

02:00:47.000 Yeah, it is.

02:00:48.000 And it's tough, too, because I'm having this debate, and then, like, Ben Shapiro's on the other side, and I've got to debate him.

02:00:53.000 Is that okay, though? 0.97

02:00:54.000 Because, actually, aliens are ridiculous? 0.99

02:00:55.000 Okay. 0.96

02:00:55.000 He's got all the facts about, you know, the universe and stuff, and it's like... Yep. 0.96

02:00:59.000 All right, everybody!

02:01:00.000 I doubt that he has all the facts about the universe.

02:01:02.000 He literally has all the facts.

02:01:03.000 All the facts.

02:01:04.000 Michael Nobles burns you on a ukulele.

02:01:06.000 I'm so good.

02:01:07.000 All right.

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02:01:28.000 Matt, do you want to shout anything out?

02:01:30.000 Yes, whatisawoman.com.

02:01:32.000 I have my documentary coming out in May.

02:01:35.000 I can't say a lot about it, but we'll be revealing very soon some more.

02:01:38.000 A lot of people are going to be very angry when they see it.

02:01:42.000 That's all I can tell you.

02:01:45.000 Elijah, what's up?

02:01:46.000 A little more quiet today, a little more pensive.

02:01:48.000 Listen to the wise people speak, as always.

02:01:50.000 And if you want to hear a podcast that is not the wisest person in the world, but is a hell of a lot of fun, check out Slightly Offensive on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, anywhere you can find them.

02:01:57.000 And also, I was thinking with Chicken City, I was like, dude, is there some sort of a goal?

02:02:01.000 Like, if we reach a certain amount of donation number, we get to see a chicken race, and we get to see who's the real dominator.

02:02:05.000 Is there any type of goals that we're reaching?

02:02:07.000 There is.

02:02:07.000 I want to give.

02:02:08.000 So, so Chicken Party is the first.

02:02:10.000 For every $100 that's donated through Super Chats, or, you know, given to feed the chickens, a chicken party happens.

02:02:16.000 The next thing we're thinking is, after 10 chicken parties in one day, Ian goes out and plays music for the chickens.

02:02:22.000 Something like that.

02:02:23.000 But that requires Ian to come out.

02:02:25.000 It'll have to be, like, before 7pm or something, so, you know.

02:02:29.000 Give him some crystals or something.

02:02:30.000 Hell yeah.

02:02:32.000 Okay, it's my turn.

02:02:33.000 Yeah, it's your turn.

02:02:35.000 I'm Libby Emmons, and you could help me get to a million followers on Twitter at Libby Emmons.

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02:02:46.000 Also, I'm going to be at the Better Discourse event in Fort Worth, not this coming weekend, because that's Easter, but the following weekend.

02:02:53.000 If you want to come check that out, it's betterdiscourseevent.com.

02:02:57.000 I'm Seamus Coghlan.

02:02:59.000 We just uploaded a cartoon on Freedom Tunes today.

02:03:01.000 I honestly think it's one of the funniest videos we've done in a while.

02:03:04.000 I really want you guys to go check that out.

02:03:06.000 I think you'll love it.

02:03:07.000 Just go to Freedom Tunes, check it out.

02:03:09.000 It's called Biden's Fallen and He Can't Get Up.

02:03:12.000 And I'll turn it over to you guys.

02:03:15.000 Yeah, I'm also here in the corner.

02:03:16.000 I finally figured out how to press my buttons once again with this new camera setup.

02:03:20.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter at sarahpatchlids, also on mines.com and sarahpatchlids.me.

02:03:26.000 We will see all of you over at TimCast.com.

02:03:29.000 Thanks for hanging out.

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