Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Papa John Schnatter Joins To Discuss Cancel Culture And Media Lies

00:00:00.000 We've been seeing a lot of really creepy stuff with schools.

00:00:18.000 What they're teaching kids, this critical race applied principles.

00:00:21.000 There was a story we covered the other day where you get these little kids and they're showing these questionnaires they're asked.

00:00:27.000 And this is whatever you want to call it.

00:00:30.000 It's getting to the kids.

00:00:31.000 It's affecting their ability to strive to succeed.

00:00:34.000 It's telling them that they can't succeed on the basis of their race and things like this.

00:00:38.000 This wave of what the left has referred to or the establishment has called social justice, in my opinion, is mostly about gaining power, political power, corporate power, or otherwise.

00:00:47.000 And there's one story that happened several years ago, and it's about the CEO of a very large and prominent company being essentially falsely accused, or I should say the media spun a narrative, that this CEO was a racist for describing a slur, in fact saying it was a bad thing to say, but it doesn't matter.

00:01:08.000 And it wasn't just Papa John Schnatter, who's... I pronounce it right, right?

00:01:12.000 Schnatter. 0.87

00:01:12.000 Schnatter? 0.87

00:01:13.000 Schnatter, who's here with us today.

00:01:14.000 There was also another story that I brought up in this old video about Netflix, where a guy was actually doing a training where he was like, here are the words to avoid, and by simply saying the word in a descriptive way to tell people it was bad, ended up losing his job.

00:01:26.000 Now, that one was crazy, because the guy ends up going to HR, where they're like, what happened?

00:01:30.000 And he said, I was explaining to people that, you know, these words were bad enough to say them, and they're like, what words?

00:01:34.000 And he says it again, and then they're shocked.

00:01:36.000 What?

00:01:37.000 He said it to us again!

00:01:38.000 You asked him what he said, and he was saying it was wrong.

00:01:41.000 Cancel culture is real, and it's been going on for some time, and it's evolving, and this is why I brought up what's happening with kids, with critical race applied principle, because this is the extension, the evolution, or another component of what we saw with cancel culture.

00:01:55.000 Now we see a lot of people in media saying cancel culture is not real, it doesn't exist, because all these rich and famous people, they're still rich and famous, but here's a story of a guy who did nothing wrong, who was ousted from his own company, started taking his name down from buildings, Now that's insane, and in my opinion, it's an effort for some group to gain power.

00:02:13.000 In this instance, it sounds like corporate and political interests realized they could manipulate public perception and opinion because everyone thinks, obviously, racism is bad.

00:02:21.000 So they can twist things, use a morsel of truth, and build it up into a conspiracy theory or some false accusation that you can't really falsify.

00:02:30.000 We're going to talk about that and we're going to talk a bit about just what's going on the labor market, what's going on with our kids, and we are joined by the CEO, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, the former CEO of Papa John's, John Schnatter.

00:02:42.000 Do you want to just quickly introduce yourself?

00:02:44.000 John Schnatter, thanks Ian, thanks Tim for having me.

00:02:46.000 Proud to be here and I think you told me to lead it off with better ingredients, better pizza, Papa John's.

00:02:52.000 I used to, I gotta be honest, I did this video, you were talking about how I did this video in 2018 and you were like, it was spot on and everything.

00:03:00.000 I vowed never to buy Papa John's again because of what they did to you because it was, I read the news and I'm like, this is clearly BS.

00:03:07.000 Here's a guy who's on a phone call saying like, hey, here's a bad word people shouldn't say.

00:03:10.000 And they were like, we're gonna fire him and destroy his life now because of it.

00:03:13.000 And I used to think that the better ingredients, better pizza thing was just marketing.

00:03:17.000 I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:18.000 I'd see on the TV and I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, better ingredients, what does that mean?

00:03:22.000 Well, no, we actually order pizza all the time, and when we do, we order Papa John's because I looked up the ingredients.

00:03:28.000 I'm not going to name the other pizza places, call them out specifically because, you know, lawsuits or whatever, but these other big chains, they put weird stuff in their pizza.

00:03:37.000 One company puts Splenda in their crust.

00:03:39.000 And that, to me, was just weird.

00:03:41.000 The potassium bromate is really concerning.

00:03:43.000 What is that?

00:03:44.000 It's like a leavening agent.

00:03:45.000 Can you explain that a little better?

00:03:48.000 Anything that's processed food, the FDA approves, which unfortunately usually is chemical-based.

00:03:54.000 I mean, you can get a can of soup from Campbell's and it's got 20 or 30 chemicals in it.

00:03:59.000 So the thing we tried to do throughout the history of Papa John's was get rid of the chemicals.

00:04:04.000 Nitrates, there were cellulose in the cheese.

00:04:09.000 Anything, some of the preservatives.

00:04:12.000 Anything to keep it more natural, more original.

00:04:15.000 We thought, we thought the more natural, the more authentic, the better it would be for, you know, for the kids.

00:04:22.000 And we just weren't convinced those chemicals in the food processing process were not, were not unhealthy.

00:04:28.000 So we eliminated as many of those as we could.

00:04:31.000 And hopefully to this day they're still doing that.

00:04:33.000 Hopefully to this day, but we'll get into all that stuff.

00:04:35.000 So, you know, Ian.

00:04:36.000 I'm so glad you're here, John.

00:04:37.000 This is Papa John's.

00:04:39.000 The recipe was the ingredients, but it changed my life in the 90s.

00:04:42.000 It was like revolutionary for pizza.

00:04:45.000 Do you guys remember 1994, 95?

00:04:46.000 I mean, what year did you guys really hit?

00:04:50.000 We went public June of 93 with 232 stores.

00:04:53.000 Wow.

00:04:55.000 And literally I couldn't take the family on vacation for 5 or 10 grand, didn't have the money.

00:05:00.000 And the next day we went public and the company was worth 150 million bucks in one day.

00:05:04.000 So it was like, I was 31 years old.

00:05:05.000 It was like, we just, we just made a hundred million bucks.

00:05:08.000 Like, wow, that was pretty wild.

00:05:09.000 I want to talk about that too.

00:05:12.000 Obviously we'll talk about the more political stuff, but just hearing the story of the success, how to build a company.

00:05:15.000 I'm sure a lot of people want to know, you know, tips for success, right?

00:05:19.000 We can talk about that.

00:05:20.000 You know, good strategy can overcome mediocre tactics, but bad strategy can't overcome great tactics.

00:05:26.000 So, from the get-go, we were always authentic and about quality, but we didn't really have a tagline.

00:05:31.000 So, we read the book Positioning by Jack Trout and Al Reeves, 1969 of all, and read the book and talked about how you differentiate your product with your slogan.

00:05:43.000 It's got to be truthful, you know, Volvo safety.

00:05:46.000 FedEx is overnight, etc.

00:05:47.000 So we hired Jack Trout to come in.

00:05:49.000 He was $10,000 a day.

00:05:50.000 Wow.

00:05:51.000 And he comes in.

00:05:52.000 This is like $95, $96.

00:05:55.000 And he's over there.

00:05:57.000 He looks at our fresh-packed sauce from the Cortopassi family out at Stanislaus.

00:06:01.000 He looks at the way we're making our fresh dough, the attention to water, put a little more on, real cheese.

00:06:06.000 He's going, well, heck, use better ingredients.

00:06:09.000 I said, well, of course.

00:06:10.000 He goes, well, better ingredients make a better pizza.

00:06:13.000 And I go, Yeah, he goes, well, that's your slogan.

00:06:16.000 So I spent $10,000 and it took him about 20 seconds.

00:06:20.000 There you go.

00:06:20.000 So that was pretty, that was pretty cool.

00:06:22.000 Let's get into that stuff too.

00:06:23.000 We got Lydia pressing the button. 1.00

00:06:24.000 I am pressing buttons in the corner.

00:06:25.000 I'm very excited to meet Papa John because I learned to drive on a Camaro and his story about recovering his lost Camaro is like a hero story to me.

00:06:33.000 So I'm loving it.

00:06:34.000 I'm enjoying talking to him.

00:06:35.000 Are you 76 or 77?

00:06:36.000 It was a 77 in my case.

00:06:39.000 Beautiful.

00:06:39.000 So much fun.

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00:07:14.000 I want to hear the story.

00:07:16.000 So real quick, real quick, just the general context is, I think it was 2018, the story breaks that you, you know, at the time, the CEO of Papa John's, was on a phone call.

00:07:16.000 Tell us what happened.

00:07:27.000 And they said in this, I think it was a Forbes article, right?

00:07:29.000 It was a Forbes article came out claiming that you used a racial slur or something.

00:07:34.000 And then all of a sudden this was like a cascade of them kicking you out of your company.

00:07:37.000 They were trying to claim that you were a racist and all these really awful things.

00:07:41.000 And then the media just began to twist everything out of proportion and lie about what was happening.

00:07:46.000 Now I guess the crazy thing is, it sounds like the way you described it, like a conspiracy against you.

00:07:52.000 Well, you got to kind of go back a little bit in time as it was a training call.

00:07:57.000 And we were talking about race, which is very sensitive.

00:08:00.000 And we were the do's and don'ts.

00:08:02.000 And unbeknownst to me, they taped the conversation.

00:08:05.000 And throughout the call, they, they tried to bait me when I was looking at who is the laundry service, the ad agency was trying to get me riled up and to say something that was going to hurt myself.

00:08:15.000 But I didn't know that at the time that that was a was a setup.

00:08:19.000 Really?

00:08:19.000 They kept that one little clip.

00:08:21.000 And fortunately for me, I feel like I'm the luckiest guy in the world because

00:08:24.000 they accidentally left the tape running.

00:08:26.000 So as soon as they hung up with me, they kept talking about, Hey, we got him.

00:08:30.000 We're going to send him out.

00:08:31.000 Really?

00:08:32.000 Oh yeah.

00:08:32.000 We got the tape.

00:08:33.000 We got him on tape.

00:08:33.000 I got a tape.

00:08:34.000 So we have the truth.

00:08:35.000 And so it was a complete setup.

00:08:37.000 Um, they sat on it for about five weeks and they said, if you don't give us $6

00:08:42.000 million, Washburn and laundry service, we're going to bury the founder.

00:08:47.000 And I went to the CEO and to the board and I said, hey, they're trying to extort six million dollars.

00:08:52.000 If we don't give them six million dollars, they said they're going to bury the founder.

00:08:55.000 That's extortion.

00:08:55.000 We should call the FBI.

00:08:57.000 And so that it blew up.

00:09:00.000 And the company just let it happen.

00:09:03.000 That's what makes me think the company was co-conspired in this, because the company didn't do an investigation.

00:09:09.000 They didn't set up a special committee to investigate.

00:09:12.000 And if they would have, they would have seen there was a tape.

00:09:15.000 The truth was, I didn't say something that was racist.

00:09:17.000 What I said was anti-racist.

00:09:19.000 They changed the narrative.

00:09:20.000 Well, we gotta issue a quick clarification.

00:09:23.000 Because of the likes of people like Ibram X. Kendi, anti-racist actually means racist.

00:09:27.000 And I'm not kidding.

00:09:29.000 I mean, it sounds funny, right?

00:09:30.000 But Kendi is the—I guess he's the progenitor of anti-racism, which is an ideology that states in his—I've got to be very careful how I say this, for obvious reasons.

00:09:41.000 I mean, look, we're talking about Kendi says that he wants racial discrimination.

00:09:46.000 So anti-racism, according to him, is more racial discrimination.

00:09:50.000 So that's why, you know, they take these phrases and try to control them.

00:09:54.000 And that's part of how they play this game.

00:09:56.000 So to put it simply, you're the CEO of this company.

00:09:59.000 You're doing a regular training phone call.

00:10:00.000 It was like a sensitivity training or something, right?

00:10:02.000 Exactly.

00:10:03.000 Telling people not to be racist, to be excellent to each other.

00:10:07.000 And the statement you made was that you said something about, I think it was Colonel Sanders.

00:10:12.000 Was it Sanders?

00:10:13.000 Colonel Sanders was habitual about using the M word in a derogatory manner.

00:10:17.000 And in my mind, that was a no-go.

00:10:19.000 That's absolutely something a founder doesn't do.

00:10:22.000 So we were using him, metaphorically, as an example of what not to do.

00:10:27.000 And because you were like, hey, this is a bad thing, don't be like him, they were like, we got him.

00:10:31.000 Yes.

00:10:32.000 They recorded you, and I didn't know that about the recording, where they admitted, or they were like, yeah, we got him, haha.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, when I heard they recorded the conversation, I went, good, because what I said was anti-racist.

00:10:44.000 I knew what I said.

00:10:45.000 They asked me to apologize the next week.

00:10:46.000 And I said, I'll apologize for the misunderstanding.

00:10:49.000 I'll apologize for what happened.

00:10:50.000 But if I apologize for saying something that's anti-racist, then that's racist.

00:10:56.000 And I wasn't going to apologize.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, I gotta point out, I said this before the show, talking about a racial slur and the history of the word and its mechanics and how people feel about it is different than calling someone that word.

00:11:07.000 Completely different.

00:11:08.000 In fact, you can call someone a very nice word in a horribly mean way and be more offensive than talking about a slur.

00:11:14.000 Oh, yeah, like if you were talking to a woman and you're like, oh, you're so beautiful, aren't you?

00:11:18.000 Yeah, you look great today.

00:11:20.000 The way you say it.

00:11:20.000 Right, right.

00:11:21.000 But here's I got to add to that, Ian.

00:11:22.000 It wasn't it's not just describing the word.

00:11:25.000 John was actually saying it was a bad thing.

00:11:27.000 Yeah, it was.

00:11:28.000 It was actually saying, don't be racist.

00:11:30.000 But I think in life, you've got to own your own.

00:11:30.000 Yeah.

00:11:32.000 You've got to take the hit.

00:11:33.000 And, you know, we're not going to be as your your audience.

00:11:35.000 There's three things we can all agree on.

00:11:37.000 One is they set me up.

00:11:38.000 No doubt about it.

00:11:39.000 It was a setup.

00:11:41.000 Two is they reversed what I said.

00:11:42.000 I didn't use the word draw.

00:11:45.000 I quoted, cited, paraphrased what somebody else says that I would never say.

00:11:48.000 And three, I shouldn't have said the word.

00:11:52.000 You know, should not have said the word.

00:11:53.000 Yeah, that's how they got you.

00:11:55.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 It's really challenging that we're in a space now where... Let me just go back in time.

00:12:01.000 George Carlin.

00:12:03.000 Everybody loved George Carlin.

00:12:04.000 He was a hero on the left, and he has a bit where he goes on stage and says as many racial slurs as he can, and then actually calls two very prominent black comedians the N-word, and even I, like, by today's standards, I'm like, wow.

00:12:16.000 Like, that's brutal, man.

00:12:18.000 I'm not sure I feel about that.

00:12:19.000 But George Carlin was making a point that just saying the word isn't what's so bad about it.

00:12:24.000 What's bad is, it's the person behind the word and the things they're doing with it.

00:12:28.000 Now, I gotta admit, I'm not a complete fan of the end of that bit from Carlin, especially by today's standards.

00:12:34.000 I'm kinda like, well, I don't think that was appropriate.

00:12:37.000 Saying the racial slurs I understand. 1.00

00:12:39.000 The issue is, you gotta be able to say words to tell people what the words are.

00:12:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:43.000 I think the problem with you saying the word was that they were able to manipulate that in the press.

00:12:51.000 Changing it from John says a word and describes it as something you don't say and can criticize someone for saying it to John used a racial slur.

00:13:00.000 Used it as if to imply you called someone a name.

00:13:03.000 The challenge now is there are instances where I was actually was talking to somebody We have people come on the show all the time asking us about censorship and what do we have to watch out for because we know YouTube is very, very ban-happy.

00:13:17.000 And then someone was like, are we allowed to say the N-word?

00:13:20.000 And I was like, what?

00:13:21.000 I was like, absolutely not!

00:13:23.000 Are you joking?

00:13:23.000 I'm not a fan of that.

00:13:25.000 And they're like, really?

00:13:26.000 I was like, even in the context of World War II?

00:13:28.000 And I went...

00:13:30.000 You mean Nazi?

00:13:31.000 And they're like, yeah, yeah, because you can't say that either.

00:13:34.000 Like just by saying that, YouTube's algorithm will probably flag this video, downrank it, demonetize or whatever, simply for bringing up a word like that.

00:13:43.000 And so there were these instances where I was talking to people.

00:13:46.000 Explaining to them the problem with not being able to even describe things anymore.

00:13:50.000 There is a very famous documentary about a man named James Baldwin.

00:13:54.000 I cannot tell you the name of that documentary because YouTube could ban us for simply saying the name of the documentary.

00:14:01.000 And it's not using the N-word as most people know it.

00:14:03.000 It's a different N-word we also can't say.

00:14:06.000 And how am I supposed to describe to people the various words that can't be said if there's a bunch of different words that start with the letter N?

00:14:13.000 This is the problem.

00:14:14.000 And so when I heard that story about you, I was like, well, how do you tell your employees don't say these words when you can't actually tell them what the word is?

00:14:22.000 Well, I think there's no place for the word period.

00:14:26.000 The thing I like about what you're doing on the weekend is that you're working on your culture.

00:14:29.000 You know, you're trying to change things and set an example and make the world a better place.

00:14:34.000 And so anything that further divides our country, anything that doesn't really involve like kindness and thoughtfulness and consideration and collaborative alliances for our fellow man, I think that should just be off the table because The media kind of thrives on fear.

00:14:50.000 To your point, if the journalist, the media, would have done what you did, all you did is do a little homework.

00:14:57.000 I read the stories and thought about it.

00:14:59.000 Thought about it.

00:15:00.000 And you got it right.

00:15:01.000 I mean, I can't believe it.

00:15:02.000 You're 32 years old.

00:15:05.000 You weren't where you're at today back then.

00:15:07.000 And you nailed it.

00:15:08.000 You nailed it to a T what happened.

00:15:10.000 And if journalists really cared about their dignity and their integrity, I think it's because they're not honest.

00:15:23.000 And I think the American people are tired of being lied to.

00:15:26.000 But what I want to do with this situation is I want to find a way to emphasize forgiveness, pardon the unpardonable, forgive the unforgivable.

00:15:35.000 And let everybody know that sometimes you're going to get a raw deal, and sometimes you're going to get kicked in the teeth.

00:15:42.000 And that's not cool, especially in this situation, because the race thing is pretty brutal to be painted in that box, especially on a false narrative.

00:15:49.000 But if we can find a way for other folks to inspire them to get through their adversity, then that would be, to me, that would be the bang for a buck that I get out of going through all this.

00:16:00.000 It is extremely challenging, though.

00:16:03.000 I mean, when you have what we're seeing in schools, it's Critical Race Applied Principles.

00:16:09.000 They call it Critical Race Praxis, CRP.

00:16:12.000 We call it Applied Principles because the acronym's a little bit more accurate, in my opinion.

00:16:17.000 But you have them, you know, just going to children and they're teaching children to be racist.

00:16:23.000 So yeah, I mean, if it's not... I agree with what you're saying, you know, we want to inspire people to be kind, to be critical thinkers, to improve themselves, to build a culture.

00:16:33.000 People need to be responsible to a certain degree.

00:16:35.000 We want to help each other, but we also got to have some responsibility.

00:16:37.000 Well, what's happening now is You try to be nice.

00:16:40.000 You try to be forgiving.

00:16:42.000 They take advantage of it.

00:16:43.000 They come after you.

00:16:44.000 I mean, take a look at exactly what happened to you.

00:16:47.000 I mean, I understand what you're saying, you know, forgive the unforgivable or pardon the unpardonable.

00:16:52.000 But the people that, you know, I guess conspired against you, they've learned no lesson.

00:16:58.000 In fact, they've enriched themselves.

00:17:00.000 So it sounds like, you mentioned this a second ago, that this ad agency, I think it was, right?

00:17:06.000 They were recording you.

00:17:07.000 They set you up.

00:17:08.000 But that even within your own company, there were people who seemed to be working against you.

00:17:13.000 Yeah, we had a couple board members.

00:17:16.000 Steve Ritchie was the CEO, who was getting ready to get terminated.

00:17:19.000 So, you know, he had to be part of this to set me up because he was going to get... So you weren't the CEO?

00:17:24.000 No, I wasn't the CEO.

00:17:25.000 I was chairman of the board.

00:17:26.000 Oh, okay, okay.

00:17:26.000 I was wrong.

00:17:27.000 Correction.

00:17:27.000 Another gentleman, Mark Shapiro, who was head of governance.

00:17:30.000 He wanted the marketing business, and he knew that as long as I was chairman of the board and involved, that it was a conflict of interest for a board of directors to have an account, a marketing account.

00:17:40.000 Of course, when I got off the board, the first thing they did was gave Mark Shapiro the 40 million dollar

00:17:46.000 marketing deal and he got a 10 million dollar package Wow, so

00:17:50.000 Complete violation of duty of loyalty, but we had a couple board members that

00:17:55.000 they had personal gain a company was making a lot a lot of money and

00:18:01.000 we had a Washerman who on laundry service that agency he was good

00:18:07.000 friends with Roger Goodell member I'm hammering Goodell in the paper going good. He'll get

00:18:12.000 your act at Roger Goodell is the Commissioner of the NFL I'm hammering him that you know you got to get this solved

00:18:17.000 to the players and So Goodell didn't like being called out on that.

00:18:21.000 So we had, we got Goodell, we got Wasserman with Laundry Service, Steve Ritchie with Papa John's and Mark Shapiro.

00:18:30.000 They set me up.

00:18:31.000 The rest of the board didn't do their due diligence.

00:18:33.000 They didn't do an investigation.

00:18:34.000 They went along with it and we end up with a complete disaster.

00:18:39.000 That really hurt my employees.

00:18:40.000 It hurt my franchisees very badly.

00:18:43.000 And it hurt my community of Louisville, Kentucky.

00:18:45.000 They left my hometown when I lost control.

00:18:46.000 They left my hometown.

00:18:48.000 So I'll be fine.

00:18:50.000 You know, we'll live to see another day.

00:18:52.000 I've got a lot of things I'm working on, I'm excited about.

00:18:54.000 But a lot of good, hardworking people that wake up and woke up every day to make Papa John's great, they lost their jobs and their families got hurt.

00:19:02.000 And that's not cool.

00:19:03.000 You know why I think the other board members didn't stand up for you?

00:19:08.000 They didn't want to appear in the news to be defending someone who was accused of racism.

00:19:13.000 So it wasn't about doing an investigation, it was about, I'm not sticking my neck out and getting involved in this.

00:19:17.000 We see what these people do when they go around smashing windows and starting fires.

00:19:21.000 The last thing anyone wants to do is be on their radar.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, I think there was an element of cowardice to this.

00:19:26.000 I think the board members took the easy way out and said, OK, we'll just pin all this on John.

00:19:30.000 We'll pin the upper on John.

00:19:32.000 We'll take the lazy way out and the easy way out and, you know, and to make John the hit guy, make John the fall man.

00:19:39.000 And that's what they did.

00:19:39.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:19:40.000 Yeah, but that's OK.

00:19:41.000 But, you know, because you don't gain anywhere in life by being the victim.

00:19:44.000 So, you know, they did it.

00:19:46.000 You know, I got a two-inch violin.

00:19:47.000 Can we play it?

00:19:48.000 Let's play it for three seconds and get on with life because, you know, you got to figure out a way to use this whole, I don't know if you want to call it an episode or what a chapter in the book, whatever.

00:19:59.000 We got to find a way to propel this and use this to our advantage to make society better.

00:20:04.000 Were you freaking out when it all started happening? 0.99

00:20:06.000 Shit, I didn't know what happened. 0.99

00:20:09.000 I treat everybody with kindness and respect. 0.99

00:20:13.000 We were raised so good with regards to respecting everybody, regardless of the skin color.

00:20:19.000 That was just part of our family.

00:20:23.000 So I knew it was BS.

00:20:24.000 I knew it wasn't truthful, but I didn't understand how it happened.

00:20:28.000 How do you take something, best place to work in Kentucky, making 160 million bucks a year, we're growing, we just passed 5,000 stores, and how do you make it into this mess on a false narrative?

00:20:39.000 And so I didn't really quite understand it.

00:20:41.000 And then probably two or three months after this broke, it was like, You know, I think they set me up.

00:20:48.000 I mean, really.

00:20:49.000 And then here it is three years later.

00:20:51.000 We still can't get documents from Papa John's.

00:20:53.000 We're still waiting on 13,000 documents.

00:20:55.000 Three years later.

00:20:56.000 That's how bad.

00:20:57.000 So we have the setup and now we have the cover up.

00:21:00.000 Next question is, whodunit?

00:21:02.000 How far up the food chain does this go?

00:21:04.000 Are you still suing?

00:21:06.000 Yeah, we have a litigation right now with laundry service.

00:21:09.000 Casey Washington Laundry Service.

00:21:11.000 And we're waiting on 13,000 documents.

00:21:13.000 They've got six lawyers between the two of them, and they fought this for eight months.

00:21:18.000 And Papa John's has fought the 220 now for two and a half years.

00:21:21.000 So either they have something that's really bad, or they're stringing us out.

00:21:26.000 But if they have something that's not bad, they're sure doing a heck of a job hiding it from us.

00:21:31.000 You said it was three months, right?

00:21:33.000 And you started to question whether you think that you got set up?

00:21:36.000 Well, the first thing you do in bed, you lay in bed every night and you cry.

00:21:39.000 You go, wow, what the hell just happened?

00:21:43.000 How am I going to get out of this?

00:21:44.000 I mean, I just got painted as a racist. 0.99

00:21:46.000 I mean, you just sit there and you don't know what to do because you're kind of brain dead. 0.98

00:21:51.000 You're numb.

00:21:52.000 Your brain is numb because you don't understand.

00:21:55.000 How they could take something that was that benign and anti-racist, it was a sensitivity training on what not to say, and then flip it.

00:22:04.000 Remember, Forbes said he said the N-word, but what they didn't say is he said he never uses the N-word.

00:22:09.000 Colonel Sanders used it, so they took it out of context.

00:22:14.000 but it was probably five or six months into it I went okay this was a setup and then we started putting the pizzas pieces together pizzas hopefully we won't get barred on YouTube for that one and then probably a year and a half and it was like okay and now every piece I've never seen a lawsuits They do this.

00:22:37.000 They go up and they go down.

00:22:38.000 They go up and they go down.

00:22:40.000 This lawsuit has been going on for 15 months.

00:22:43.000 Every single thing that's happened has been to our benefit.

00:22:47.000 So I think we've got a pretty ironclad case on what happened.

00:22:50.000 If we just get the other side to operate with a little transparency, we'll get to the bottom of it.

00:22:54.000 Frankly, at the end of the day, all Papa John's has got to do is say he was set up.

00:22:59.000 He's no history of treating anybody with less than the utmost respect and dignity.

00:23:04.000 We're sorry John had to go through with this.

00:23:07.000 He's the face of the brand.

00:23:08.000 It's his name on the box.

00:23:10.000 It's his recipe.

00:23:11.000 It's his concept.

00:23:13.000 Let's all move on with our lives in a positive way.

00:23:16.000 Unfortunately, the board of directors of Papa John's is not, we talked about coward, does not have enough solid sense of self to take the hit and admit they didn't do a proper investigation, they made a huge mistake, they panicked, and they did a lot of damage to this brand.

00:23:32.000 Panic, I wonder.

00:23:34.000 I wonder.

00:23:34.000 I mean, it sounds like a setup.

00:23:35.000 It sounds like people wanted to make some money.

00:23:38.000 And they did.

00:23:38.000 And then it sounds like the other people were just like, hey, I'm not sticking my neck out for this.

00:23:43.000 Like I said, you know, we see what happens, you know, with these these these extremists who go around with with Molotov cocktails and crowbars and bats smashing windows and attacking people.

00:23:54.000 People are scared of what's going to happen.

00:23:54.000 That's scary.

00:23:55.000 Yeah, but let's get back on the positive.

00:23:58.000 You take Coca-Cola, Delta.

00:24:01.000 They need to be flying airplanes and making soft drinks.

00:24:04.000 Papa John's needs to be making pizzas.

00:24:06.000 But when you have a weak board, and they get this pressure from all this political aspect, and this group that's probably the silent you know the or the loud squeaky squeaky then they they do silly things and they need to fly airplanes and get people there safe and sound and they need to make soda pop and Papa John's needs to make pizza but some for some reason these these boards are so they pretend like they're leaders in our community and they're put together and they have high integrity and dignity and they're really made like paper dolls

00:24:37.000 You know, any negative PR, they just fold like puppets.

00:24:41.000 And I had a weak board and it cost me dearly.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, I think I think there's a Gen X maybe, I guess.

00:24:50.000 Gen Xers and younger boomers are much more interested in no confrontation.

00:24:56.000 And so now you have very loud, prominent activists.

00:24:59.000 They've found their voice online.

00:25:01.000 They've found followers fighting for what they will call justice.

00:25:05.000 And then you get board members who are like, look, I make a bunch of money.

00:25:07.000 I don't want to be in the press.

00:25:09.000 I'm not going to be involved.

00:25:10.000 So I won't be.

00:25:12.000 Yeah, 3% of the population causes 85% of the problems.

00:25:16.000 You know, 3%.

00:25:18.000 So it's that very boisterous small percent that tear things up, tear buildings up, tear cities up, you know, and do crazy things that cause the rest of us a lot of grief.

00:25:32.000 Politicians.

00:25:33.000 I think you know the worst thing out of everything when I saw this story about you was that this is one of the most if you want to if you want to if you want to call out cancel culture we'll talk you know I think the you put cancel culture in encyclopedia they show a picture of what happened of you and what happened to you.

00:25:50.000 They didn't just get you fired, you know, removed from your position.

00:25:54.000 They started going after your legacy.

00:25:55.000 There was, I think you had contributed to a university.

00:25:58.000 Is that what happened?

00:25:58.000 They took your name down?

00:25:59.000 Yes.

00:26:00.000 Four universities.

00:26:00.000 Four.

00:26:01.000 Which ones?

00:26:01.000 UofL, UK, Ball State, and Purdue.

00:26:05.000 So you had contributed to these universities that took your names, your...

00:26:09.000 They took your name off of these places.

00:26:11.000 Well, we believe in voluntary exchange.

00:26:13.000 We believe that when you go out and you buy a product or service, it's mutually beneficial to all parties.

00:26:21.000 That's what free markets do.

00:26:22.000 So the curriculum that we set up in each university was free markets, voluntary exchange, entrepreneurship.

00:26:29.000 And we were up to four universities.

00:26:31.000 The left, I don't want to make this political, but the left did not like us in the universities.

00:26:36.000 And the group I went in with, and this was tens of millions of dollars to do this, we had two goals.

00:26:44.000 The first goal is to give the kids both sides of the coin.

00:26:47.000 They hear about entitlement, how good, you know, big brother, big government it is.

00:26:51.000 You know, if you're successful, that's not good.

00:26:53.000 You don't have to be accountable.

00:26:55.000 Big bureaucracy.

00:26:56.000 We flipped it and said, okay, that's fine.

00:26:58.000 If you want to believe that, you need to believe whatever.

00:27:00.000 But you might want to look at entrepreneurship, accountability, self-respect, making a contribution.

00:27:06.000 And I really feel like we were accomplishing that goal.

00:27:08.000 And so the kids loved the entrepreneur program.

00:27:12.000 They really did.

00:27:13.000 And whether they went this way or that way, I don't care, as long as they could see both sides of the coin.

00:27:18.000 That was goal number one.

00:27:19.000 Goal number two was don't further divide the country.

00:27:23.000 The country's already divided.

00:27:24.000 This was five, six years ago.

00:27:26.000 Let's don't further divide the country.

00:27:28.000 And I really feel like we were accomplishing that goal.

00:27:30.000 And of course, our terminology, our nomenclature, the left couldn't get on it because we were not

00:27:36.000 We were there just to teach free markets.

00:27:38.000 And so I think the left really had an issue with us going into these universities and teaching free markets, free enterprise, and entrepreneurship.

00:27:48.000 Wow.

00:27:48.000 Yeah.

00:27:49.000 You were having a... I didn't even know that.

00:27:51.000 I just saw the story where it's like name was removed from school and I'm like, that's crazy.

00:27:55.000 But now it sounds like you were actually having a very, very powerful impact on young people and teaching them personal responsibility.

00:28:02.000 The second year at UofL, out of 1,263 curriculums, our program got was number four within two years.

00:28:11.000 So the kids love entrepreneurship.

00:28:13.000 They love hearing about free markets and freedoms in general.

00:28:17.000 And so when we were at four, we wanted to go to 400 because we think small business is the backbone and the heartbeat of this country.

00:28:26.000 I mean, 60-something percent of the new jobs are small business.

00:28:29.000 So we like micro, dirty jobs.

00:28:32.000 We like teaching vocations.

00:28:34.000 We like teaching trades.

00:28:36.000 We like teaching entrepreneurship.

00:28:37.000 I even wanted the classroom on the front of the building school and then trades in the back.

00:28:42.000 How do you build a house?

00:28:43.000 You know, how do you work on a truck?

00:28:45.000 You know, how you do the technical part of a carburetor on a Toyota or whatever it is.

00:28:49.000 But we actually wanted the school room adjacent to the workshop, a micro kind of deal, to teach these kids how to have a career, how to have a job so they don't get out of college and owe, you know, $150,000 in debt on student loans.

00:29:01.000 Do you think that there was maybe a political component to what happened to you then?

00:29:05.000 I mean, you've got special interests that don't want what you're teaching kids in these universities.

00:29:10.000 They certainly ripped that out the moment they could.

00:29:13.000 Well, you're asking the conspiracy question.

00:29:17.000 Well, I guess is the conspiracy beyond just being set up by, you know, people want to make money?

00:29:21.000 Was there a political component?

00:29:23.000 You know, I don't want to say anything.

00:29:24.000 I really don't have facts.

00:29:25.000 I know Richie and Shapiro were part of it.

00:29:27.000 I know Washerman's down with Laundry Service was part of it.

00:29:29.000 Goodell was probably part of it.

00:29:31.000 How far up the food chain that goes.

00:29:33.000 Washerman's the head of the DNC in LA.

00:29:36.000 I don't really want to make that assumption.

00:29:39.000 I will say this.

00:29:40.000 I made a comment.

00:29:41.000 It says, Roger Goodell needs to solve the NFL issues to the players and owners satisfaction.

00:29:47.000 Less than 20 minutes, that went viral, that I was against the players kneeling.

00:29:53.000 I mean, I'm like, how did they take that?

00:29:55.000 That was a lie.

00:29:57.000 A lie, benign, innocuous, and turn it into that I'm anti-kneeling.

00:30:02.000 And within one hour, we had like six million.

00:30:06.000 It just blew up.

00:30:07.000 So I'm kind of like, was that orchestrated?

00:30:10.000 Well, have you ever heard of the phrase a standalone complex?

00:30:13.000 Emergent?

00:30:14.000 No.

00:30:15.000 So a lot of people, you know, conspiracy is a dirty word.

00:30:19.000 And yeah, I gotta be honest, I'm fairly anti-conspiracy in a lot of ways because you need a lot of evidence to back up these big stretches.

00:30:25.000 However, when you tell a story like that, that you said, you know, solve this to the players and the coaches' benefit, is that what you said to players and coaches?

00:30:34.000 Goodell needs to solve this debacle to the owner's and player's satisfaction.

00:30:38.000 Right.

00:30:39.000 To take that and clearly take it out of context to make you look bad, a standalone complex would be when a bunch of people do something that effectively acts in concert to create the appearance of a conspiracy, but they're actually just doing it independently.

00:30:54.000 So if you had 10 people who all stood up at the same time and yelled that they were fans of Papa John's, people would assume they orchestrated it.

00:31:02.000 That would be a conspiracy, sort of.

00:31:04.000 They came together and planned it at 10 o'clock.

00:31:07.000 We're all gonna stand up and shout, we like pizza!

00:31:09.000 A standalone complex would be, seemingly by chance, they all stood up at the same time, independent of each other for some reason.

00:31:15.000 So when you see what happened to you, perhaps, it doesn't need to be a conspiracy.

00:31:19.000 It could just be that when people saw there was an opportunity to go after you, political components were like, now's our chance to get rid of these free enterprise programs in these universities.

00:31:28.000 And so they did.

00:31:30.000 I think that concept definitely could be applicable to my situation.

00:31:34.000 For this to happen, all the stars had to align perfectly in the wrong way for me.

00:31:39.000 And that could have happened.

00:31:39.000 That could have happened.

00:31:40.000 Regarding like building entrepreneurial skills for young people, what was your young entrepreneurial career like?

00:31:46.000 Like when did you get your first job and what led you up to start making the pizzas?

00:31:51.000 The greatest lesson I ever had was when I was eight.

00:31:54.000 My grandfather had kind of like a farm, miniature farm, where we had tractors and mowers and equipment.

00:32:00.000 And he'd go out and buy new equipment and tractors, but every once in a while it would break.

00:32:05.000 Like the motor would break on the tractor.

00:32:08.000 And he would look at me and say, fix it.

00:32:10.000 And I said, fix it.

00:32:12.000 Well, I'm 8 years old.

00:32:13.000 I'm 7 years old.

00:32:14.000 So I'd tear the motor apart, tear the carburetor apart on his workbench.

00:32:19.000 And sometimes I could get it back together and sometimes I couldn't.

00:32:23.000 He didn't care.

00:32:23.000 He wanted me to know how things worked.

00:32:25.000 He wanted me to know how to turn a wrench.

00:32:29.000 To understand that the engineering, the mechanics of how things really work, that was by far, you know, how do ecosystems work?

00:32:37.000 How does the environment work?

00:32:38.000 How does the weather work?

00:32:39.000 You know, how do political systems work?

00:32:41.000 How does our economy work?

00:32:42.000 How does our banking system work?

00:32:43.000 That all came back when I was seven, eight years old when he wasn't, both he and my dad said, it's okay to make a mistake.

00:32:51.000 You know, you're not going to learn if you're not making mistakes.

00:32:53.000 Now, don't make the same mistake twice.

00:32:55.000 But an entrepreneur is nothing but a big shot is nothing but a little shot that kept on shooting.

00:33:01.000 So just keep on shooting.

00:33:03.000 Keep on trying new things and new innovations.

00:33:05.000 Keep tinkering.

00:33:06.000 Go ahead.

00:33:07.000 You know, you're being taught to think critically, to think independently, to be personally responsible.

00:33:12.000 You tell that story and I'm like, well, that makes perfect sense.

00:33:14.000 You plant that seed, and here you are, this very successful businessman.

00:33:19.000 And then you look at the school programs.

00:33:21.000 You said that there were two different programs, right?

00:33:23.000 You wanted people to be able to see both sides.

00:33:25.000 Yours was free enterprise.

00:33:26.000 What was the other thing they were teaching?

00:33:27.000 What was the other component?

00:33:28.000 Big government.

00:33:30.000 Tax the rich.

00:33:31.000 Success is a bad thing.

00:33:33.000 Entitlements.

00:33:35.000 You know, the number one employer for history majors in the United States is Starbucks.

00:33:41.000 Is that true?

00:33:42.000 Yeah, I mean, they want to teach self-science, you know.

00:33:44.000 I wanted to always teach hard science.

00:33:47.000 Arithmetic, you know, engineering.

00:33:50.000 Veterinarian, for example, that would be a great career.

00:33:53.000 How to build something.

00:33:55.000 Architecture, you know, those are things that are hard scientists that you can actually do something with and have a real career.

00:34:01.000 At UofL, we were, we had 200 slots in our dentistry program and we had demand for 3,000 dentists.

00:34:08.000 I'm like, We need more dentists.

00:34:11.000 I mean, you know, we don't need more lawyers.

00:34:13.000 We don't need more social science folks.

00:34:15.000 We need more engineers.

00:34:16.000 We need more architects.

00:34:17.000 We need more dentists. 1.00

00:34:18.000 I'm curious as to how this is happening, how you could have the program that espouses independence, individuality, entrepreneurship, that's the one that gets removed?

00:34:28.000 I mean, that should be the resilient side of things, right?

00:34:32.000 You do have a way with turning things on their head.

00:34:34.000 Let me chew on what you just said, because you just did in real time what you did back in 2018.

00:34:39.000 You're right.

00:34:41.000 They threw me out on something I didn't say.

00:34:45.000 And the very thing that we're trying to produce was exactly what I didn't say.

00:34:49.000 So that's kind of interesting.

00:34:51.000 Well, what I mean is, if you teach people to be responsible, independent, smart, cunning, and to be good people to try and help others, how is it that these are the ideals that seem to be faltering?

00:35:03.000 You know, particularly in this story, but in my experience, I think a lot of people are seeing it.

00:35:07.000 You tend to have the big government, you know, entitlements.

00:35:13.000 Maybe there's something that being a good person misses.

00:35:19.000 I'm not saying don't be a good person.

00:35:22.000 But maybe when you're a good person, you overlook the fact that some people might be lying to you.

00:35:25.000 Well, again, back to with your audience here on, you know, you gotta own your own BS. 0.96

00:35:32.000 You gotta own your own nonsense.

00:35:34.000 And so, the question for the house is, I mean, I protected my board of directors with my life.

00:35:40.000 I protected my employees with my life.

00:35:42.000 I protected my franchisees.

00:35:44.000 I mean, I made sure that nothing was going to happen to them.

00:35:48.000 And, okay, we now have established they want the $160 million, they want the marketing business, you know, so they want to get rid of John.

00:35:55.000 Okay.

00:35:55.000 Live with that.

00:35:57.000 Can we have a cup of coffee and say, John, you go, we'll go.

00:35:59.000 No conversation, no nothing.

00:36:02.000 Not only do they want to get rid of me, they wanted a crucifixion.

00:36:05.000 They wanted to, you know, they wanted to paint me in a racist.

00:36:07.000 Now, That's evil.

00:36:10.000 I mean, that is about as bad as you can do to a founder of a pizza company that did it by the book, that played the long game, and took everybody up with it.

00:36:19.000 And the question for the house is, how come I didn't see that?

00:36:23.000 I had no inclination.

00:36:25.000 That this board of directors and this executive team would do something like this.

00:36:28.000 Not even a winch.

00:36:30.000 That they were even capable of doing this.

00:36:32.000 And they did it.

00:36:33.000 They continue to do it.

00:36:34.000 And so, what I've tried to get out of this is, okay, how can I use that for higher level of consciousness, awareness?

00:36:41.000 Why didn't I see it?

00:36:43.000 But then you got to flip that on its head and go, I don't want to go around life going, I got to worry about people screwing me every second of the day.

00:36:48.000 So as you can see, we haven't quite reached the forgive the unforgivable.

00:36:53.000 We're definitely off. 1.00

00:36:55.000 I'm going to kill these people. 0.99

00:36:56.000 We're off that one, which is where we're at back here, literally. 1.00

00:37:01.000 But it's it's a lot to take in.

00:37:03.000 It's it's a lot to overcome.

00:37:04.000 But we to move on with the life, we have to get to that that forgiveness stage.

00:37:08.000 We have to.

00:37:10.000 Yeah, it kind of feels like people who are trying to be nice and do good are unsuspecting of, you know, what's going to come after them.

00:37:17.000 And the story you tell me about, you know, I know people who worked for Papa John's.

00:37:22.000 I said it was fantastic.

00:37:23.000 I remember I was reading some quotes where you were saying that, you know, people got to get paid more.

00:37:26.000 The minimum wage was too low.

00:37:28.000 I've heard you, you know, you basically talked about things that are fairly populist, right?

00:37:32.000 Help for the for the little guy and for the working class.

00:37:34.000 And sure enough, maybe You know, I don't know how to describe it, but you may be too nice, you know?

00:37:41.000 Well, you understand, Papa John's, and we did build a great company, but we also had great people.

00:37:47.000 We had a great team.

00:37:48.000 We really were more in the people business than the pizza business.

00:37:51.000 It was a fantastic group of individuals.

00:37:53.000 And that's how we got the thing over 5,000 stores.

00:37:57.000 But I think you can't, you know, you just got to stay positive with this.

00:38:06.000 I think that if you take care of people and you do the right thing, then sooner or later, you know, karma is a real deal.

00:38:12.000 I mean, karma, you know, what goes around comes around.

00:38:15.000 You're definitely right about forgiveness.

00:38:16.000 I think we're about to enter the age of like more transparency, especially in government.

00:38:19.000 And when we start changing our government, there's going to be, we're going to start finding all these crimes and criminals within the politicians.

00:38:25.000 And it's going to be really, you know, people are really going to want to punish them.

00:38:29.000 But I think we have to forgive these people.

00:38:32.000 Hillary Clinton's email scandals, for instance, we got to forgive these people and make sure that if we move forward in society, it's all together.

00:38:38.000 Otherwise, those rich people in the shadows are going to try and avoid getting caught, and they're going to try and do damage to the people attempting to move the system forward.

00:38:45.000 So, I'm full with you about this forgiveness era.

00:38:50.000 I mean, some people are really, really bad people.

00:38:53.000 They're really evil people.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, but it's not up to us to decide.

00:38:55.000 In my opinion, I don't think we can do it if we don't do it together, all of us.

00:38:58.000 As weird as it sounds.

00:38:59.000 Horrible crimes.

00:39:00.000 If there's no justice for horrible crimes, then people lose faith in the system because... I've already lost faith, man, because the justice is... And you don't bring it back by saying bad people can get away with bad things, but good people get punished.

00:39:11.000 Well, you know the Ben Franklin quote, a hundred guilty people Better to escape than one innocent suffer.

00:39:16.000 I think that maybe that's 10,000 guilties should escape rather than one innocent suffer.

00:39:21.000 That is a hard question, man.

00:39:22.000 Cause I understand what you're saying.

00:39:24.000 If we, if we stay, if we stay with the rage and the anger, then we fall apart.

00:39:29.000 But if we allow people to get away with evil, then you live in an evil society.

00:39:35.000 Not in the future, but for past crimes.

00:39:37.000 It's just an idea.

00:39:38.000 Yeah, I think you'll end up in an evil society.

00:39:42.000 We're already there, man.

00:39:45.000 I don't know if there's a real, simple solution to everything we're seeing.

00:39:49.000 I don't want to get too dark, but we saw a year of rioting.

00:39:54.000 We saw — you know, I talked about this earlier on my other channel — 60 Secret Service agents injured at the White House after left-wing groups pulled down the barricades, started fires in a Secret Service guard post and in the church.

00:40:06.000 Sixty Secret Service officers injured, and they get away with it.

00:40:09.000 In fact, when Donald Trump was brought to the emergency bunker because of this extreme violence, the media mocked him and made fun of him.

00:40:19.000 And now you have January 6th with those hearings today, and it's inverted completely.

00:40:23.000 Now the officers are crying on camera.

00:40:26.000 Now, of course, I think what happened on January 6th when you actually watch the footage of the violence is horrifying and wrong, and these people should be held accountable.

00:40:31.000 The problem is you have a large group of people who see what just happened.

00:40:35.000 They see 60 officers can be hurt, the president can be ushered to the bunker, and the media will laugh.

00:40:41.000 But then you get, you know, a few hours on one day with another riot, which is also bad, and they're holding congressional hearings about it.

00:40:49.000 This is going to shatter regular people when they're looking at what's going on and they're going to say, I'm not playing this game anymore.

00:40:56.000 And what I mean by that, I think a lot of people are going to start becoming just completely non-compliant in the sense that they have no confidence in the system.

00:41:03.000 If someone says, you know, if the government issues a mandate, do X, they're going to be like, why should I care?

00:41:08.000 You know, it's a free for all on this side and nothing, I'm just not going to engage anymore.

00:41:13.000 This is going to lead people to feel like the system doesn't work, they are insecure in their person, in their belongings, in their family, and it's going to destabilize the country unless there is justice.

00:41:23.000 And that means, by all means, justice for the people on January 6th, so those rioters who were fighting with cops and attacking them will get charged for their crimes.

00:41:30.000 But it also means all of the rioters from the past year have to be charged and held accountable as well.

00:41:34.000 Otherwise, you have anarcho-tyranny.

00:41:36.000 The government will not enforce the rights that affect the small guy and the small businesses.

00:41:40.000 They'll even ignore it when they come to the White House and the president is ushered downstairs.

00:41:44.000 But then when it's their side, they'll enforce everything with an iron fist.

00:41:47.000 That's going to shatter people.

00:41:50.000 You know, whether you like Trump or not, Trump does love America.

00:41:56.000 He does understand entrepreneurship.

00:41:58.000 And both sides of the aisle, all those guys are on the take.

00:42:02.000 You know, Mitch McConnell, been in office for 30 years.

00:42:05.000 He's worth $35 million.

00:42:06.000 Pelosi's worth... How do you get $35?

00:42:09.000 How do you get a... I mean, so they're all... Trump's the only one that's not on the take.

00:42:13.000 He's the only one.

00:42:14.000 They had to get rid of him.

00:42:15.000 Yeah, they finally did.

00:42:19.000 Whether you're left or right, the people that wake up every day and make our country great, they're just trying to make the right decision for their families.

00:42:28.000 Sometimes I get on my... I have friends both sides, and I love them both.

00:42:32.000 Sometimes I argue with my friends on my left because I'm going, I think your ideology overrides your intelligence, because that doesn't make any sense.

00:42:39.000 But it's a healthy dialogue back and forth.

00:42:42.000 The progressive elite at the top will scorch this earth.

00:42:46.000 They do not care about humanity.

00:42:48.000 And that's the piece that upsets me, is that I don't think that the folks at the elite progressive left top have any regard for the working men and working women.

00:42:59.000 They refer to them as mouths.

00:43:01.000 You know, we just, they just, you know, it's another mouth we got to worry about.

00:43:04.000 Mouths. 0.73

00:43:05.000 Mouths. 0.73

00:43:06.000 Yeah, another mouth we got to worry about.

00:43:07.000 Wow.

00:43:08.000 That's creepy, man.

00:43:09.000 They're wild animals.

00:43:10.000 You know what I think, though?

00:43:11.000 I think they view it as utilitarian.

00:43:14.000 Their whole view is, if we have a million people and we do something that benefits 900,000 and sacrifices 100,000, who cares?

00:43:21.000 It's for the good of the collective.

00:43:23.000 So they're willing to sacrifice the individual, not protect those rights.

00:43:27.000 That's part of why centralized planning of governance doesn't function, because they're out of touch, they can't identify with the crowd.

00:43:34.000 Well, also because it foments revolutions.

00:43:36.000 If you keep sacrificing different groups or ignoring their needs because your focus is solely on the greater collective, you end up with all of these different organizations around you saying we're tired of being mistreated.

00:43:48.000 When you focus on the individual, when you guarantee the individual's rights, you have a whole grassroots network moving all the way up from people who are like, I feel like my rights are being protected.

00:43:57.000 So as the progressive left starts to gain more and more power, starts to dictate what the Democrats do, you start seeing more utilitarianism, and in turn, you're going to see more and more chaos.

00:44:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:07.000 I mean, I think that's why they left the, leave the borders open in Mexico, because those folks are going to come over and vote left.

00:44:14.000 And they shut the borders to Cuba, because those folks are going to come over and say, you don't want to have what we just had for 30 years.

00:44:19.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:44:20.000 Hypocrisy is pretty unbelievable in those two border situations.

00:44:24.000 We saw in Miami what the pollsters were saying was safe Democrat went Republican.

00:44:30.000 Because the people in Miami know exactly what these words mean.

00:44:34.000 The people in South Texas are actually experiencing the problem of the illegal immigration.

00:44:39.000 But I will issue a partial clarification or partial correction.

00:44:44.000 These people don't need to come and vote left.

00:44:46.000 There's a lot of people who say that if illegal immigrants come across the southern border, they will become citizens and immediately vote.

00:44:54.000 That's why Democrats want naturalization. 0.99

00:44:56.000 But the census doesn't ask you if you're a citizen.

00:45:00.000 So when a million people come across the border this year already, they can place these people in certain areas.

00:45:08.000 Then on the census, how many people live here?

00:45:11.000 And that will affect the amount of electoral votes that area will have.

00:45:16.000 I think it was the Heritage Foundation said that California gets one extra electoral vote based on their illegal immigration.

00:45:22.000 Even if these people don't vote because they can't, because they're not citizens, it still is more power in the electoral process for these groups.

00:45:30.000 Now, if they do, it's also more congressional seats.

00:45:34.000 It's not just the presidential vote.

00:45:36.000 You will get a congressional seat based on people who are not citizens.

00:45:39.000 So, yeah.

00:45:41.000 I've got to come clean.

00:45:41.000 I've never put together that illegal immigration can change the electoral vote.

00:45:47.000 I've never put that together.

00:45:48.000 That's pretty interesting.

00:45:50.000 Tim just casually mentioned it to me like a month ago, and it's been like ringing in my head ever since.

00:45:55.000 It's insane.

00:45:56.000 Well, a lot of conservatives don't seem to realize that either.

00:45:58.000 But you do have the Heritage Foundation, which mentioned, you know, it's like one.

00:46:01.000 So it's not like the apocalypse, but hey, that's a free seat.

00:46:04.000 It's a precedent, yeah.

00:46:05.000 It's a free congressional seat.

00:46:07.000 So now I think California lost a seat.

00:46:10.000 I'm not sure.

00:46:10.000 I think New York did.

00:46:12.000 So there are changes happening.

00:46:14.000 But Donald Trump was trying to get the citizenship question on the census for this reason.

00:46:19.000 So that people who are not citizens would say they're not a citizen and then you could

00:46:22.000 have better representation for American citizens.

00:46:25.000 Democrats would lose a decent amount of power percentage wise if that were to happen. 0.69

00:46:30.000 So of course it was blocked and thrown out.

00:46:32.000 And what does that mean?

00:46:34.000 It means that you could be a taxpaying American.

00:46:37.000 You could follow all the rules.

00:46:39.000 You got student loans.

00:46:40.000 You were told to go to college.

00:46:42.000 You're struggling to find work.

00:46:43.000 You end up as a history major working at Starbucks.

00:46:45.000 You pay your taxes, but you're not getting healthcare.

00:46:48.000 You get sick and you go to the hospital.

00:46:51.000 They charge you 10 grand.

00:46:51.000 You don't understand why this is happening.

00:46:53.000 Unfortunately for many of these people, you have the Pied Piper of the progressive left telling them the real problem is not that they've opened the borders or that they've destroyed industry.

00:47:04.000 The real problem is the industry itself.

00:47:07.000 So what happens when you have people who instead of saying, hey, wait a minute, maybe it's a problem that a million people this year crossed our border welcomed right in by Joe Biden.

00:47:16.000 I mean, that is absolutely shocking.

00:47:18.000 You see these videos.

00:47:20.000 There's a video that went viral like a week ago.

00:47:23.000 The border gate is open.

00:47:24.000 People just walk on through, walk right up to a CBP vehicle, hop on in and get taken off.

00:47:29.000 Then we learned there was a whistleblower, two whistleblowers I believe, footage was released.

00:47:33.000 Do you know the Biden administration is smuggling actually human trafficking migrant children on planes into states like Tennessee?

00:47:40.000 This was one of the most shocking things I'd ever seen.

00:47:42.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:47:43.000 When you have, and they're doing it out of military bases, out of I believe military bases, The Biden administration, these are videos that have been published.

00:47:51.000 You see them taking kids, putting them on planes, they flew them to Tennessee and then just released them into community centers.

00:47:57.000 Republican politicians, they were shocked.

00:47:58.000 Why is this happening?

00:47:59.000 They are bringing, they're giving themselves more power.

00:48:03.000 Now look, I got tremendous respect.

00:48:05.000 I say this all the time.

00:48:07.000 A thousand times more respect for the illegal immigrants who come to this country believing that this is their opportunity for freedom and opportunity than I do for the progressive left that come out and say America is evil and racist and it's a hellscape.

00:48:21.000 That's just not true.

00:48:22.000 But a system cannot be maintained when you have a million people just come in. 0.96

00:48:27.000 Economies are not infinite bubbles of free resources.

00:48:31.000 Economies have ebbs and flows, they have balances, there's supply and there's demand.

00:48:34.000 So if you have a massive influx of a million workers or people looking for work, at the same time you have massive unemployment and labor shortages, I mean, you're adding more problems to the mix and we've yet to solve them.

00:48:48.000 Well, you know, 1892 Ellis Island.

00:48:50.000 That's how we all, you know, most of our grandfathers and great grandfathers got over here.

00:48:55.000 And they had a process, you know, and, you know, I think we want folks to come to America. 0.70

00:49:00.000 We just want a process to get them in and get them in legally.

00:49:03.000 And I think that if we did in 1892, we should be able to do it today.

00:49:07.000 I agree.

00:49:07.000 Yeah, I often say that a lot of people need to realize this too.

00:49:11.000 People are critical of immigration.

00:49:13.000 When the people immigrate here legally, we are getting the best. 1.00

00:49:17.000 These people who are leaving Nigeria and come here and they're extremely successful because we are getting passionate individuals who are like, I'm going to have that dream.

00:49:24.000 The challenge, I suppose, is the people who are jumping the line.

00:49:27.000 We don't know who they are.

00:49:29.000 We don't know where they go.

00:49:29.000 I mean, Biden is basically just shuffling them through and dropping them off.

00:49:33.000 We need to be able to make sure people survive, people flourish, and that a rising tide raises all ships.

00:49:38.000 Yeah, I'm thinking about vertical farming, because with this influx of people, and like you said, they consider the mouths to feed.

00:49:43.000 Have you followed like the, like it's called the phenomena of vertical farming, and like Arrow Farms, I think, in Jersey is the largest indoor vertical farm where they like, grow greens. You can really only grow green vegetables like

00:49:55.000 leafy greens.

00:49:56.000 The tentacle, the roots grow through this mesh hanging and then you spray it with water and

00:50:01.000 nutrient water and they get, they can produce tens of thousands of pounds of lettuce.

00:50:06.000 You know, you're saying you think we'll be able to feed everybody.

00:50:08.000 Well, maybe, but it's just green vegetables.

00:50:10.000 Did you guys ever source indoor vertical farming food with Papa John's?

00:50:15.000 We looked at the organic route.

00:50:17.000 No way with 5,000 stores.

00:50:18.000 Now, we could have done that on a regional basis, but we had a heck of a time and spent over 100 million bucks a year just getting the chemicals out of the ingredients.

00:50:29.000 That in itself was an act of God.

00:50:31.000 I want to stress something to the people listening.

00:50:33.000 They may be thinking to themselves, what is Ian talking about?

00:50:36.000 We're talking about migration.

00:50:37.000 I was talking about farms.

00:50:38.000 But he brings up a really good point.

00:50:40.000 Can we keep just making more and more food, especially when there's a... You mentioned something that's really interesting.

00:50:47.000 I hear this.

00:50:48.000 You're saying with 5,000 stores, it was difficult to do organic, trying to get the chemicals out of the food.

00:50:53.000 How do we, as this wealthy nation, support a million people coming in You know what's funny is when it comes to the climate change stuff, they say America is one of the biggest polluters.

00:51:03.000 Well then the last thing we need is a million people coming in and adding to that.

00:51:08.000 Yeah, this is, um, this really hits home with me.

00:51:12.000 This is near and dear to my heart because the next, whatever, next Papa John's I do, whatever, the four criteria, it has to be in my soul.

00:51:19.000 It has to be something that I breathe and really feel, you know, sacred.

00:51:23.000 It has to be better for humanity.

00:51:24.000 It has to make humanity better.

00:51:26.000 I mean, the pizzas was great.

00:51:27.000 It's a good run.

00:51:28.000 brings friends and family together but and then sustainable you know I'm gonna

00:51:33.000 be feeding this thing and then scalable I like big things and what two of the

00:51:37.000 big problems we have in this country is pharmaceuticals you know they don't know

00:51:42.000 the side effects of all these drugs you know I'm not sure they know the effects

00:51:45.000 of one when you mix two or three together and the food supply is

00:51:48.000 controlled by you know five processors basically and five seed companies and

00:51:53.000 they're destroying our soil destroying our atmosphere I mean the organic soils

00:51:58.000 what absorbs a lot of that co2 in the atmosphere so monumental test how do you

00:52:04.000 how do you get people off the pharmaceuticals and how do you get you

00:52:07.000 know get the food supply you know back where it's at then you go to water and

00:52:11.000 then then you go to sleep you know that's the door ring so those are those

00:52:14.000 would be the three or four things I would want to get done with humanity but

00:52:17.000 I guess you just start one piece at a time and just build up like you were

00:52:22.000 talking about up in the Northeast.

00:52:23.000 Did you say something about the ring?

00:52:24.000 Yeah this is an aura ring it measures your sleep.

00:52:27.000 If you're not sleeping good at night, yeah, this is the body recovers mentally, emotionally, physically, um, all your organs at night, especially on your deep sleep.

00:52:36.000 So you, this modestly, it's 300 bucks.

00:52:38.000 There's no monthly fee.

00:52:40.000 It's aura.

00:52:41.000 It's like a Bluetooth thing for your phone or something?

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 You put it up.

00:52:43.000 It tells you what, you know, I can pull up my sleep last night.

00:52:46.000 Oh, cool.

00:52:48.000 I have a watch that does that, but like, what am I supposed to do?

00:52:51.000 Where am I watching bed?

00:52:52.000 It's the weirdest thing.

00:52:53.000 I'm like, I got to charge it, right?

00:52:55.000 Yeah, this is last night's sleep.

00:52:56.000 What does it say?

00:52:57.000 What metrics does it give you?

00:52:59.000 Eighty-six.

00:53:00.000 Sleep eight hours, nine minutes.

00:53:02.000 Eighty-eight percent.

00:53:03.000 Here's what you want to look for.

00:53:04.000 Your deep sleep was an hour and forty-three.

00:53:07.000 And your REM sleep was an hour and seven minutes.

00:53:09.000 Wow!

00:53:10.000 Is that good or bad?

00:53:11.000 That's an 86.

00:53:14.000 Even anything over 76 is good.

00:53:16.000 Once you get in the 90s it's hard to do.

00:53:20.000 But this is really good for sleep.

00:53:23.000 It'll give you a pulse all day.

00:53:25.000 You read out your exercises.

00:53:26.000 I'm up to 18,000 steps a day.

00:53:30.000 Your watch will do better than this for your steps during the day.

00:53:35.000 Your heart rate, your cycling, etc.

00:53:37.000 But this is really good for your sleep.

00:53:40.000 Talking about the universities, we were talking about the program to teach people free market and then the big government side.

00:53:46.000 We opened this podcast talking about these kids who are being indoctrinated.

00:53:51.000 They're being told they can't succeed because of their race, things like that.

00:53:56.000 And I'm worried that this is going to teach a generation not to try.

00:54:01.000 They can't be successful and will make them dependent.

00:54:04.000 So, you know, when you were telling the story about how you have this college program, I mean, they're going to the grade schools right now.

00:54:09.000 I'm curious what you think about, you know, what our kids are going through and what do you think is going to happen with that?

00:54:13.000 I'm worried, as we talked about.

00:54:15.000 My focus is those four attributes, you know, we talked about.

00:54:20.000 And I want it to be under 40.

00:54:22.000 Because under, you know, between 15 and 40, those generations, you got processed food, you got social media, you got internet, you got all this technology, you got all these technical devices around, you got pharmaceuticals, you got super high anxiety, you got a little bit of deterioration of the family.

00:54:40.000 I'm really worried about that demographics.

00:54:43.000 And when I hear critical race theory, the law of unintended consequences here are, you know, there's going to be tentacles going every which way.

00:54:51.000 I'm worried that's actually going to hurt the black community more than it's going to help them.

00:54:54.000 Oh, I agree.

00:54:55.000 There's a viral video right now where there's this black father.

00:55:00.000 And I think it's actually one of the best criticisms of the critical race applied principles. 0.66

00:55:05.000 So theory would be just the academic literature and the applied principles would be what they actually tell the kids and what they implement.

00:55:13.000 And this is a father who says, he just very politely says, Hey, you know, uh, my, my kids came home and they were very scared.

00:55:20.000 And they said that you talked about slavery and, and, and Jim Crow, but nothing in between.

00:55:26.000 I'd appreciate it if you just, you know, let my kids be kids and grow up a little bit.

00:55:30.000 Cause I want them to be the best they can be, but they're being told they can't.

00:55:33.000 So, you know, and that, that was basically it.

00:55:36.000 Very calm, not this rage filled.

00:55:38.000 How dare you?

00:55:39.000 It was him just being like, look, my kids are freaking out and can we just let them be kids for a minute?

00:55:43.000 And then I'm like, I hear you, man.

00:55:45.000 Yes, kids.

00:55:47.000 What I don't like about what's happening in these schools and what worries me is that we had the story the other day of fourth graders being told to go through this critical race, you know, applied principles packet and answer all these questions.

00:55:59.000 And they tell the white kids that you're oppressors, that you're evil, you know, that, you know, you need to recognize what you've done and your ancestors, you know, the sins of the fathers are yours.

00:56:07.000 And then they tell the children who are not white that you can't succeed because of your race and because of these things. 0.94

00:56:13.000 What's going to happen to a kid who's told they can't succeed?

00:56:15.000 They're going to say, when they fail, when they stumble and fall and hit their knee, they're going to look at the crack in the ground and say, that's the fault of the white man who made the sidewalk, not me for not paying attention.

00:56:26.000 If you go through life that way, refusing to acknowledge where you have made a mistake, how could you ever possibly improve?

00:56:34.000 You can.

00:56:35.000 Well, this whole past thing is a problem.

00:56:39.000 If you take two siblings that come out of an alcoholic family, one grows up and drinks themselves to death.

00:56:47.000 The other one grows up and is the CEO or the president or whatever to fortune and fame.

00:56:53.000 And so you ask the one that eventually drinks, well, why'd you drink so much?

00:56:59.000 You say, well, because my parents drink all the time.

00:57:01.000 And then you ask the other sibling that went to the top, why didn't you drink?

00:57:05.000 And they said, well, I didn't drink because my parents drank and I want to be like my parents.

00:57:10.000 The point of that is the past doesn't make the future.

00:57:14.000 The future makes the past.

00:57:16.000 This living in the past, you know, you got to acknowledge it.

00:57:19.000 You got to learn from it.

00:57:20.000 But we can't be worrying about things that happened, you know, two, three, four, five, six hundred years ago.

00:57:25.000 We need to identify what's going on right now and plan for a bright future for all of us.

00:57:31.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot of powerful political interests who recognize grievances make money.

00:57:36.000 Media outlets realize, hey, if we can say something that's shocking and freak people out, we're going to get paid.

00:57:44.000 And then there are special political interests say, we will get votes.

00:57:47.000 Whether it's votes or cash, there's power to be had in fanning the flames of this stuff.

00:57:51.000 Well, there's money everywhere.

00:57:52.000 That's, you know, the medical system, academia.

00:57:56.000 I mean, it's just a big money machine.

00:57:57.000 The pharmaceuticals we talked about, the billions they give in lobbyists, the food process.

00:58:01.000 So all of it is gets back to, you know, follow the money for sure.

00:58:06.000 But there's, at the end of the day, principles always are more powerful than force.

00:58:11.000 And good is always supersedes evil.

00:58:13.000 We just got to hang on to it.

00:58:15.000 There are just some bad people who think... I think it's a lack of empathy, in a sense.

00:58:20.000 They don't care what happens to other people.

00:58:22.000 Perhaps it's a combination of utilitarianism and nihilism or callousness or some measure of each individual idea existing within people.

00:58:30.000 One of my favorite stories I tell people is this.

00:58:32.000 Back when I was growing up in Chicago, there were people who would sell pot, right?

00:58:37.000 And it was like a really risky thing to do.

00:58:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:40.000 You might make money doing it, but it's super illegal. 0.99

00:58:42.000 And I remember meeting some guy, and he was talking about how people were really dumb. 1.00

00:58:46.000 He's like, man, you got people in this neighborhood that are so stupid. 1.00

00:58:48.000 You know why? 1.00

00:58:49.000 They're selling pot.

00:58:49.000 They sell dope.

00:58:50.000 Why would you do that?

00:58:51.000 And then I was like, what do you mean?

00:58:52.000 They're trying to make money, and it's like an easy way to make money.

00:58:54.000 He's like, no, it isn't.

00:58:55.000 He's like, you know what I do?

00:58:56.000 He's like, I call local venues.

00:58:58.000 I ask them what bands are playing this weekend, Friday or Saturday.

00:59:02.000 I call the band and say, Hey, I'm going to make shirts for you to sell to your audience

00:59:05.000 and I'll take 20%.

00:59:07.000 And they're they'd say, okay.

00:59:08.000 And then you go to a print shop.

00:59:09.000 He'd spend, you know, a couple hundred bucks on shirts, sell them all out to this band's

00:59:13.000 fans make himself a couple of grand in a weekend, totally legally.

00:59:15.000 And he was like, I make more money working one day out of the week than all of these

00:59:19.000 people selling dope.

00:59:20.000 Why are they doing it?

00:59:21.000 They're not thinking they're being told lies.

00:59:23.000 They're being told it's an easy way to make money.

00:59:24.000 It's not true, man.

00:59:25.000 There's better ways to make money.

00:59:26.000 So I bring this up because there's a lot of people who are grifting, who are manipulating, who are trying to make a quick buck, but there's really easy ways to make legitimate money if you just think and you work hard.

00:59:37.000 Well, you know, back to this board of directors, I mean, you can talk about what they did evil, this, that, you know, the other, and just how wrong and it's horrific, but it's, it's their problem.

00:59:48.000 It's not my problem.

00:59:49.000 All I can do every day is wake up and put the best version of John Ford that I can put forward.

00:59:54.000 And as long as I'm better myself and I'm better than the people around me, then hopefully that'll spread a lot, a lot better and a lot more poignant and a lot more graceful than people that are doing wrong.

01:00:05.000 I believe that.

01:00:05.000 I do.

01:00:06.000 So when we had people from your crew show up, we also had a bunch of free, you sent us some pizzas.

01:00:13.000 So we're downstairs and Papa John's Pizza shows up.

01:00:15.000 I was told by some of the people who were working with you that you can, they were like, oh send him a picture, he will point out everything that's wrong with the pizzas.

01:00:22.000 And at first I was like, do you mean like the Right.

01:00:25.000 since he left, they've ruined the pizzas.

01:00:26.000 No, no, no, just like the pizzas aren't perfect, right?

01:00:29.000 So actually one of the first things you do is you come in, you're like, let me take a look.

01:00:32.000 And then you point it out, you know, here's where they made mistakes.

01:00:35.000 This should have done this, this should have been better.

01:00:37.000 I only bring this up because you mentioned there was a bonus thing that you had.

01:00:40.000 That you were paying out a decent amount of the profits and bonuses to your staff.

01:00:45.000 That's true?

01:00:46.000 Well, the guest experience can't exceed the employee's experience.

01:00:53.000 If the employee is having a miserable day at work, they're going to take it out on the guest.

01:00:57.000 So, we always put the employees first.

01:01:00.000 And a big part of that was we made them feel like owners.

01:01:02.000 And we did that through profit sharing.

01:01:04.000 And if you got the product right, and you got the service right, and you had a good attitude, usually the customer was pretty happy.

01:01:10.000 So we figured out how to measure that.

01:01:12.000 We put out a great pizza, and when they got it right, and with good service and good attitude, then we paid bonuses in the tens of millions of dollars.

01:01:21.000 So our employees, not only were they getting promotions and getting raises, they were getting huge bonuses.

01:01:26.000 And so that was what I call a win-win-win-win-win.

01:01:29.000 Was there a percentage that you allocated to this?

01:01:31.000 Well, the managers, for example, are 20%.

01:01:35.000 But it goes right up from the manager, right up to the supervisor, right up even to the people in the office.

01:01:40.000 The executives all get paid.

01:01:42.000 It's another thing we did.

01:01:43.000 We had the bonus system aligned from top to bottom.

01:01:46.000 So most corporations, the guy not only at the top gets his four, five, six, seven million bucks, and the people at the bottom get taken advantage of, which is immoral.

01:01:55.000 It's unethical.

01:01:56.000 We made it so that the guy at the top couldn't get a bonus unless the folks doing the heavy lifting at store level got a bonus.

01:02:03.000 So the bonus system had a total alignment, total integrity.

01:02:07.000 That was one of the most powerful things we did is bonus from bottom to top.

01:02:11.000 Does that system still exist after you've left?

01:02:14.000 No.

01:02:15.000 The first two things they did when I left was they took out the measurement system.

01:02:19.000 Well, if you don't measure it, they're not going to do it.

01:02:21.000 What was that measurement system?

01:02:23.000 Measurement meant the quality, which you just alluded to, the 10-point scale and the quality of the product, how long it took to get the pizza there, how many times the phone rang, did the driver add a hat on, did the driver smile, that kind of thing.

01:02:32.000 The measurement system, the matrix to measure the quality, and what we call demonstrable value, which is basically the customer experience.

01:02:39.000 And the second thing they took out was the principles.

01:02:43.000 We really are big on principles, and we think you got to have core values.

01:02:47.000 Every company has core values.

01:02:48.000 FedEx is going to have different core values than GM.

01:02:51.000 GM is going to have different core values than Papa John's.

01:02:54.000 Core values are nice, and they're pretty, you know, specific to whatever company, but principles are universal.

01:03:02.000 So mutual respect, kindness.

01:03:06.000 Thoughtfulness.

01:03:07.000 Collaborative alliances.

01:03:08.000 Win-win-win.

01:03:09.000 Authenticity.

01:03:10.000 Those are all like gravity.

01:03:12.000 They're just there.

01:03:13.000 And you can fight principles all you want, but principles, like gravity, sooner or later are going to win.

01:03:19.000 So, we built the company on principles, and then core values, and then measurement system on quality.

01:03:25.000 And it was very, very powerful.

01:03:27.000 But that's the things they took out the first, because those are the hardest things to do.

01:03:30.000 How did it start?

01:03:32.000 Well, real quick, though, to follow up on this point, the reason I brought this up is that Bernie Sanders proposed 20% stock sharing with the workers so that when profits come in, a quarter of the profits are divvied up and then sent out to the workers.

01:03:45.000 It's fascinating to me that, you know, I've heard quotes from you about minimum wage being too low.

01:03:50.000 You're talking now about this bonus structure, and it sounds like a lot of the things the left claims to want, you are actually doing.

01:03:56.000 Chick-fil-A gives half the money to their managers.

01:03:59.000 Half the profits go to the store manager.

01:04:00.000 So I'm big on ownership and I'm big on splitting the pie up.

01:04:04.000 Say you're making $100,000 a year and you give employees $30,000 of it.

01:04:12.000 Believe it or not, within a year or two, they're going to have that number up to 140 or 160.

01:04:18.000 So that 70% of 100, if you had 100% of 100 within two or three years, the 70% of the

01:04:26.000 number is going to be a bigger number.

01:04:27.000 So yeah, it compounds itself for sure.

01:04:29.000 Chick-fil-A, they pay their staff really well also, right?

01:04:33.000 I mean, they're principle-centered.

01:04:36.000 I don't like to get too much into religion, but they're definitely spiritual.

01:04:40.000 They obey universal laws and universal truths.

01:04:44.000 They're very consistent.

01:04:45.000 They're family-run, so they can play the long game, and they take care of their people, and they love America, and they love humanity.

01:04:52.000 They were the one company that we always wanted to be like.

01:04:56.000 Chick-fil-A, yeah.

01:04:57.000 In the very beginning, when you spun up Papa John's, you had one restaurant?

01:05:01.000 Yes.

01:05:02.000 What year was that?

01:05:03.000 Broom Closet was 84.

01:05:04.000 The first freestanding building was 1985.

01:05:07.000 And you had, did you lay out all the principles then?

01:05:10.000 Hold on, Broom Closet?

01:05:12.000 Yeah, we were in the Broom Closet at the Old Man's Tavern.

01:05:15.000 Nice! 0.94

01:05:15.000 We had $5 pizzas in the Broom Closet, $0.50 beers in the front, and $1 McBurger on the side. 0.94

01:05:20.000 Was it like the similar ingredients as to what you used as the years went on, or did you kind of tweak the We always, we always really did have good integrity with ingredients.

01:05:28.000 We didn't have the ingredients when we started off with that we had when I left in 18 because we didn't have the money to, you know, to get rid of all the chemicals and some of the other things.

01:05:37.000 But we had the fresh back sauce.

01:05:39.000 We ground the own cheese.

01:05:40.000 We had the Munster mozzarella blend.

01:05:43.000 We made our own dough.

01:05:44.000 So it was, it was a good pie from the get go.

01:05:46.000 Did you freeze the dough?

01:05:48.000 How old were you in the room?

01:05:49.000 Like we'll start from the broom closet.

01:05:50.000 How old were you when you were doing this broom closet in the tavern?

01:05:53.000 Room closet was 84, so I would have been 22.

01:05:57.000 So you started making pizzas as part of this tavern.

01:05:57.000 22.

01:06:00.000 How did that become a freestanding building?

01:06:03.000 We're in the broom closet and we're in there for a couple months and we're doing well in the bar.

01:06:09.000 We're selling 50 cent beers and we're doing these dollar McBurgers and we're doing real well and so we start selling these five dollar pizzas on the back and you know we do ten dollars a day and then we do a hundred dollars so one Tuesday we did 200 bucks on the Tuesday in this broom closet.

01:06:22.000 My brother and I were jumping up and down.

01:06:23.000 Because we thought we were rich.

01:06:25.000 And when I left, we'd do $20 million a day and couldn't pay our bills.

01:06:29.000 But anyway, we really thought 200 bucks, you know, how in the world can you spend all that money?

01:06:34.000 And then we got that broom closet up to about $3,000.

01:06:37.000 And so we, there was an old KFC, original KFC in Jeffersonville was adjacent to Mixed Lounge.

01:06:43.000 So we actually took that space over and built a dining room, a big kitchen, and built a freestanding building right next to Mixed Lounge.

01:06:52.000 The business went from $3,000 a week to $9,000 in two weeks.

01:06:56.000 And I went, heck, didn't cuss.

01:06:56.000 Wow.

01:07:00.000 Heck, if you put a sign on the front door, it really helps your marketing.

01:07:05.000 So we didn't have a sign on the front door.

01:07:07.000 So we tripled our business by just putting a Papa John's sign on the front door.

01:07:10.000 Was that, you said $3,000 to $9,000.

01:07:12.000 Was that after expenditures of the new place, like rent?

01:07:15.000 That was just sales, weekly sales.

01:07:17.000 We tripled our sales.

01:07:18.000 Cutting off your sales in the restaurant business.

01:07:18.000 You do everything.

01:07:20.000 Now, now, now, hold on there a minute.

01:07:22.000 You said it was called Papa John's right away?

01:07:24.000 Uh-huh.

01:07:25.000 And it was named after you?

01:07:26.000 Uh-huh.

01:07:27.000 And how old are you, 22?

01:07:28.000 You were not a father, were you?

01:07:29.000 No.

01:07:30.000 It's all, it's all, it's all built on a lie, isn't it?

01:07:32.000 Well, you don't have to be French to be a good lover.

01:07:35.000 Yeah, they told me to put, to put equity on my, uh, on my resume when I was an actor, non-equity.

01:07:35.000 Come on.

01:07:35.000 I'm just kidding.

01:07:40.000 And they're like, this way you'll get hired in equity.

01:07:42.000 Cause they think you're already equity.

01:07:44.000 And then when they hire you, they'll actually pay for you to become equity.

01:07:46.000 Hey, there you go.

01:07:47.000 Age-old reasoning.

01:07:48.000 So let's walk through this then.

01:07:49.000 So you got one store, $9,000 a week, you said.

01:07:53.000 Was there a moment where you realized that it was taking off and you were going to be very successful?

01:07:59.000 We're doing $9,000 a week, and there's a Domino's about two miles down the road in Grant Plaza.

01:08:04.000 So I drive down, and you gotta understand, I'm 22.

01:08:08.000 I'm pumped.

01:08:09.000 You know, we're killing it at Nick's.

01:08:10.000 We're killing it with the beer, killing it with the pool tables, killing it with the McBurger, and now we're killing it with the pizza.

01:08:15.000 So we're having a big time.

01:08:16.000 We're 22, 23 years old in Jeffersonville, Indiana, making $130,000 a year.

01:08:20.000 Wow.

01:08:21.000 Selling $5 pizzas and 50 sip beers.

01:08:23.000 I walk in this Domino's and I look at the manager and I said, what are you doing a week?

01:08:26.000 He said, I'm doing $5,000, $55,000, $6,000 a week.

01:08:27.000 And I looked at him and I said, we're doing $9,000.

01:08:33.000 And I turned around and walked out of that Domino's, and I thought, if I can beat them in Jervisville, Indiana, I can beat them in the whole world.

01:08:39.000 Wow.

01:08:40.000 I'm 20, but this time we had our own building.

01:08:42.000 This would have been 85, so it would have been 23.

01:08:44.000 I'm 23 years old, and I thought like that.

01:08:47.000 I thought, we can rule the world.

01:08:51.000 We can beat them in Jervisville.

01:08:52.000 We can rule the pizza world.

01:08:54.000 I know, we thought that way.

01:08:55.000 I mean, I look back and I go, man, I really was crazy.

01:08:59.000 You did it!

01:09:00.000 Well, so yeah, walk us through where you end up.

01:09:02.000 What was your second location?

01:09:03.000 How did that come to be?

01:09:04.000 Well, the first store had in-house dining.

01:09:08.000 Mozzarella sticks, zucchini, salads, mug of beer if you wanted it.

01:09:13.000 And the consumers didn't like the dining room.

01:09:15.000 They liked it delivered.

01:09:17.000 And the dining room was all the expense and the capital outlay.

01:09:21.000 So the second store, we went to the formula, put $100,000 in to build it, do $10,000 a week in sales, make 10% profits with $1,000 a month rent.

01:09:30.000 And that formula got us to about store 20 or 25, which would have been $19.89, $19.90.

01:09:36.000 And then from there, we just kept getting a little bit better and kept growing that top line.

01:09:40.000 And then, as I said, went public in June of 93.

01:09:43.000 Did, uh, did Domino's have a dining room too?

01:09:45.000 No.

01:09:46.000 No.

01:09:47.000 So you, you were actually starting off as like a traditional neighborhood pizza restaurant or Italian restaurant, I guess.

01:09:51.000 Well, you always have to listen to the customer.

01:09:53.000 You know, it's like marketing.

01:09:54.000 Everybody's a marketing genius because, but the problem with that is it's inside out thinking.

01:09:58.000 You don't need to think about marketing from inside out.

01:10:00.000 You need to think about it from the customer's perspective, from the prospect's perspective.

01:10:05.000 What was the ingredient sourcing experience like from the first restaurant on?

01:10:09.000 it carried out and delivered. They don't want to sit down and eat it at the store. So you

01:10:11.000 got to listen to your customer. And so we did. We got rid of the dining room.

01:10:15.000 What was like the ingredient sourcing experience like from the first restaurant on? How did

01:10:19.000 you start advancing them?

01:10:21.000 Well, we knew what sauce we wanted.

01:10:24.000 We had the recipes on the dough.

01:10:26.000 We knew how to grind the cheese.

01:10:27.000 From the very beginning?

01:10:28.000 Yeah, because I'd made pizzas at Rocky's when I was 15.

01:10:31.000 I'd worked at Greek's Pizzeria, worked at Domino's.

01:10:35.000 We were familiar with Kroll's Bakery and some of their baking techniques.

01:10:38.000 So we had a pretty good formula for the pizza early on.

01:10:41.000 And we just went around and took the best from everybody.

01:10:46.000 The best sauce, the best cheese, the best box, the best whatever.

01:10:49.000 And took all that and combined it into one.

01:10:51.000 So we basically stole all the best recipes, ingredients, ideas from all the competition and just tried to combine it into one concept.

01:10:58.000 The garlic sauce was pretty groundbreaking.

01:11:00.000 Because nobody really, a lot of other restaurants, I don't think they did that, did they?

01:11:03.000 No.

01:11:04.000 There was an independent pizzeria over in New Albany, and they had the garlic sauce.

01:11:10.000 And I just thought that was a neat idea to put the dough in the garlic sauce, the crust, and dip it.

01:11:16.000 And so we started that.

01:11:17.000 And what we did, we took butter and put it in a tube, heated it up, took the tube and filled these little cups up.

01:11:25.000 And the problem is that butter would go everywhere.

01:11:27.000 The whole store would be slick with butter.

01:11:29.000 So store number three, we took the butter out and the consumer went crazy.

01:11:36.000 I want my butter.

01:11:37.000 So we were forced of it.

01:11:37.000 I want butter.

01:11:38.000 So the big thing with the butter is how do you manufacture that butter and get that lid to stay on?

01:11:44.000 And so that was a patent to get that done.

01:11:46.000 Oh wow.

01:11:47.000 And so when we finally left, we were selling a million pizzas a day.

01:11:50.000 And so those butters are like eight cents a piece.

01:11:53.000 So our butter bill was, I don't know, 30 million bucks a year.

01:11:56.000 So it was a crazy number.

01:11:57.000 Eight cents to manufacture.

01:11:58.000 It was a crazy number.

01:11:59.000 Was that in 2018?

01:12:02.000 Let's run the math.

01:12:03.000 So we know where we're selling over 300 million pizzas a year.

01:12:07.000 And we know that those butters, I think those butters are $0.10.

01:12:10.000 It's been a while.

01:12:10.000 So that's $30 million on butters.

01:12:14.000 But I mean, that's going to be a ballpark.

01:12:15.000 That may be a little low, but that's going to be close.

01:12:17.000 I would imagine they enhanced the value of the pizza by 30%.

01:12:19.000 That maybe is a large number, maybe 15%.

01:12:22.000 But I mean, $0.10 for a 20% value.

01:12:26.000 The butters and the pepperoncinis were just kind of our way to say thank you.

01:12:30.000 This is interesting.

01:12:31.000 Pepperoncinis are actually growing in the backyard in Greece.

01:12:34.000 Little farmers, they put the little pails out and people come by and pick them up.

01:12:38.000 And we started putting a couple pepperoncinis in every box.

01:12:41.000 And it got to be 1996-97 and there was a shortage on pepperoncinis.

01:12:46.000 The price of pepperoncinis per bushel went up four-fold.

01:12:49.000 Because we were using too many pepperoncinis.

01:12:52.000 I love that.

01:12:54.000 You get the garlic, the garlic, was it a garlic butter sauce and the pepperoncinis?

01:12:58.000 I always, I always ask for extra peppers, man.

01:12:58.000 Garlic butter.

01:13:01.000 I love them.

01:13:03.000 I have to ask, I'm being pressured to ask this by outside sources.

01:13:06.000 What happened with putting soy into your pizza?

01:13:09.000 I guess there was some conversation about that going back a couple years, I guess.

01:13:12.000 I don't really know.

01:13:13.000 I'm really not really up to date on soy.

01:13:17.000 Some of the oils that we use on the dough machines could be soybean-based, but I don't know if there's a lot of soybeans.

01:13:25.000 Soybeans are used for fillers.

01:13:27.000 We didn't use a lot of fillers, if any.

01:13:30.000 But remember, it's been five years since I've been in there, so I'm not sure what they're putting in it.

01:13:37.000 Because we do hard-hitting journalism here at TimCast.com, I actually want to pull up these ingredients.

01:13:43.000 Domino's, Pizza Hut, and Papa John's.

01:13:47.000 So your slogan was, better ingredients, better pizza.

01:13:50.000 We order pizza all the time.

01:13:51.000 We got a ton of people working here now.

01:13:53.000 It's growing by the day, and so I frequently just try and get everybody some food.

01:13:57.000 We bring it in, and we have these sit-down meetings kind of things we do.

01:13:59.000 Everybody sits down.

01:14:00.000 It's like a family dinner, but for the staff.

01:14:02.000 And so we'll do pizza.

01:14:04.000 We've ordered pizza before.

01:14:05.000 I won't order pizza ever again.

01:14:06.000 I looked up their ingredients.

01:14:08.000 I want to show people something that's interesting to me.

01:14:10.000 We got the ingredients from dominoes.com.

01:14:11.000 I just googled this, all right?

01:14:13.000 I got their Brooklyn, their handmade pan crust, their hand-tossed crust, because, again, hard-hitting journalism, right?

01:14:17.000 This is the stuff you guys really want to know about.

01:14:20.000 I look at their hand-tossed crust, and it's got, like, you know, maltodextrin.

01:14:24.000 It's got dough conditioners, sodium stereoilacetate.

01:14:29.000 Enzyme, calcium, sulfate, ascorbic acid, vitamin C, which is vitamin C, calcium phosphate, L-cysteine, yeast, cornmeal, they mention, they break down what enriched flour is and what's in it, so folic acid and stuff like that.

01:14:41.000 But I noticed there's these dough conditioners, I don't know what that is.

01:14:44.000 That's potassium bromate, but they're not calling it potassium bromate anymore because they use it in yoga mats.

01:14:49.000 What?

01:14:50.000 Yeah, it's a chemical that's in yoga mats that they put in bread as a It's a treatment.

01:14:54.000 It's disgusting.

01:14:55.000 It's illegal in Europe. 0.57

01:14:56.000 Let me pull up the weirdest thing.

01:14:58.000 I looked up Pizza Hut, right?

01:14:59.000 So this is Nutritionix.com Pizza Hut ingredient search.

01:15:03.000 Maybe this is wrong, because it's not Pizza Hut.com.

01:15:06.000 But they say in their crust, they do enriched flour.

01:15:10.000 Then they say, okay, so where's that end?

01:15:12.000 Okay, water, yeast, soybean oil.

01:15:14.000 And then it contains vital wheat gluten, sugar enzymes, ascorbic acid, sucralose.

01:15:20.000 Pan oil, soybean oil, TBHQ, added to protect freshness.

01:15:24.000 Sucralose is splendid.

01:15:25.000 It's an artificial sweetener.

01:15:27.000 They're putting a fake artificial... I don't like drinking that stuff.

01:15:31.000 I don't like eating it.

01:15:31.000 That was really weird to me.

01:15:32.000 And then I look up Papa John's, and it's unbleached enriched wheat flour, so that's used by the ones enriched.

01:15:38.000 And then it says sugar, soybean oil, salt, yeast.

01:15:41.000 The ingredients list on Papa John's, it's like... But these soybean oil...

01:15:44.000 That's what I want to ask about.

01:15:45.000 I've been using olive oil.

01:15:46.000 That's why I decided to bring this up, because Lydia asked about soybean oil.

01:15:49.000 When I did live, we did have olive oil on the dough.

01:15:51.000 That was one thing they took out.

01:15:54.000 It didn't have 100% olive oil, but we did put olive oil in.

01:15:58.000 It was one of the corners they cut, but I'm delighted to hear they didn't cut more, because remember, this is now run for Wall Street.

01:16:05.000 This thing's run for EPS.

01:16:07.000 This is not run for the employees, or for the team members, or for the quality of the product.

01:16:13.000 If they're staying pretty clear with this, pretty clean with this, that's a real good thing to uphold that better ingredients, better pizza promise.

01:16:20.000 But did you always have soybean oil in it?

01:16:23.000 We always had canola oil in the sauce.

01:16:24.000 Did you use different oils in the sauce?

01:16:26.000 The sauce uses olive oil.

01:16:27.000 Oils are tough.

01:16:28.000 That's one of the things that you get what you pay for.

01:16:30.000 The sauce uses olive oil.

01:16:32.000 Olive oil is, oils are tough.

01:16:34.000 And they're, that's one of the things that you get what you pay for.

01:16:39.000 The better quality of the oil, the more it costs, the more money it costs.

01:16:45.000 The garlic butter, you can really...

01:16:49.000 really cheat on the garlic butter and use a cheaper oil, but I think it really hurts

01:16:52.000 the quality.

01:16:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:16:54.000 But again, I've been out of the system for five years.

01:16:55.000 I'm not exactly sure.

01:16:57.000 Do you make pizza at the house now?

01:16:58.000 Oh yeah, I got a pizza oven.

01:17:00.000 Like a brick oven?

01:17:01.000 I got an oven from the Roman Empire.

01:17:03.000 Columns from the Roman Empire, 300 A.D.

01:17:05.000 Next time you're in Louisville, come over and I'll make you some Papa John's pizza.

01:17:10.000 I love making pizza.

01:17:11.000 I do it from scratch.

01:17:12.000 Do you do it all from scratch now?

01:17:13.000 Do you get the tomatoes?

01:17:15.000 I usually go to Papa John's and get some dough dough balls and get some dough and some sauce and go back.

01:17:20.000 It's a wood-burning, really heavy metal kind of outdoor oven. You know, it's not the conveyor

01:17:26.000 oven, but it makes a pretty mean pie.

01:17:28.000 Would they do wood-burning at Papa John's while you were there or did you just use conventional

01:17:31.000 ovens?

01:17:32.000 We played with that, but our volumes, we needed a conveyor oven just because of the volumes

01:17:37.000 But I'll give you an ingredient story.

01:17:39.000 We went to Hutchinson, Kansas to look at sausage and beef.

01:17:43.000 And when I went to the factory, because I eat sausage, John's favorites, pepperoni, sausage, six cheese.

01:17:48.000 I was appalled at what they were putting in the sausage.

01:17:51.000 The hoof of the cow, the face of the cow, it was bad.

01:17:54.000 And I said, no, no, no.

01:17:56.000 And we at the time probably had six, seven hundred stores.

01:17:59.000 They said, well, no, that's just the way we do it.

01:18:01.000 I said, it's not the way I'm going to do it.

01:18:03.000 We're going to have the tenderloin, the good part of it.

01:18:06.000 I had to wrestle with them for three or four months and we were spending a lot of money.

01:18:10.000 To get them to get all the chemicals out and to use, you know, the best parts of the cow or the pig, you know, to make the product.

01:18:19.000 And that took some real doing.

01:18:22.000 So, when we hired kids out of college, these food scientists, we tried to get them to learn how to take chemicals out.

01:18:31.000 And what you were just reading on that list, these kids have been taught how to add stuff And they looked at me like I was crazy.

01:18:38.000 I said, you know, we need to get this stuff out of here because you have no idea what it's doing to your stomach and your evolutionary part of our system that doesn't know how to deal with all these chemicals.

01:18:48.000 And we lost a lot of food scientists because they like putting stuff in.

01:18:53.000 They like putting all those chemicals in and being kind of a witch's brew of chemicals to make up, you know, taste or You know to extend the product whatever and we said no we

01:19:02.000 like to keep things real simple And if I can't read it and two or three you know

01:19:06.000 Four ingredients per ingredient, and I can't pronounce it Then I don't want it in the product and that that took some

01:19:11.000 doing and that was over a hundred million bucks a year when?

01:19:13.000 I left I don't know if they're still doing or not I'm gonna spend in it to get the stuff out was over over a

01:19:17.000 hundred million bucks to so to walk it I thought so

01:19:21.000 Now, there's two ways to look at this.

01:19:23.000 One is, you want to keep the integrity of the Better Ingredients Better Pizza promise alive and well and healthy by walking the talk, and walking the talk costs a lot of money.

01:19:32.000 The flip of that is, processed foods may be addictive.

01:19:35.000 So we may have been actually putting something in the product that wasn't as addictive as if you put the stuff in there.

01:19:41.000 We never got around to figuring out were people eating less Papa John's because it didn't have chemicals in it and it wasn't addictive.

01:19:48.000 That was a trade-off that we looked at.

01:19:50.000 Similar with social media.

01:19:52.000 They have like slot machines where like they make you addicted to these social media platforms.

01:19:56.000 You want to get the likes and You know what scares me, man, is that Dave Thomas, Wendy's, he was very much a better ingredients kind of guy, or at least that's the way I remember I was a little kid.

01:20:06.000 I remember going to Wendy's and they had a salad bar.

01:20:08.000 But as soon as Dave Thomas passes, it goes Wall Street, right?

01:20:12.000 They want to make the profits, crank the profits up, crank the margins up, cut costs, cut corners, and then you end up with worse ingredients, worse burgers, right?

01:20:23.000 Well, take KFC.

01:20:25.000 KFC's got one-time great fried chicken.

01:20:28.000 Average KFC does about a million, too, in volume.

01:20:30.000 The average Chick-fil-A does five million.

01:20:32.000 So when you start running the business for Wall Street, you can have some short-term success, but in the pizza category in particular, it's so hyper-competitive that if you're playing games with product quality and not really taking care of your employees, then sooner or later it's going to catch up with you pretty quick.

01:20:48.000 I worked at Wendy's in 1980 when we used to patty the beef in the back and do everything by scratch.

01:20:53.000 Oh, especially with bread.

01:20:53.000 Please, I'm sorry.

01:20:54.000 I mean, if you eat a bread with a preservative in it, you know it stays in your system.

01:20:59.000 You eat a pure bread, flour, water, sugar, yeast, maybe some salt.

01:21:04.000 Definitely some salt.

01:21:05.000 It passes through you almost like water.

01:21:07.000 I don't know if that's a good thing, Ian.

01:21:09.000 You can eat so much more organic bread without preservatives.

01:21:15.000 You don't feel bad.

01:21:17.000 I'll tell you this.

01:21:18.000 Remember that Popeye's chicken sandwich thing?

01:21:20.000 They were trying to claim it was the greatest thing ever.

01:21:22.000 There were people on social media being like, wow, it's better than Chick-fil-A.

01:21:25.000 And I was like, how is that possible?

01:21:27.000 I went to Popeye's, I got the sandwich, I did not like it.

01:21:29.000 I thought it was bad.

01:21:31.000 It was a chicken sandwich, right?

01:21:32.000 I don't want to say it was bad, but Chick-fil-A is really, really good.

01:21:36.000 And, you know, whenever we go to Chick-fil-A, the service is great, people are working really hard, everything is clean and set up properly, and it's a well-oiled machine, and the food is always fantastic.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, that's a Cathy family.

01:21:52.000 It was Truett.

01:21:53.000 He passed away a few years back.

01:21:54.000 And then that's Dan and Bubba and the family.

01:21:57.000 They just do a tremendous job.

01:21:58.000 But this processed food, I mean, 99.9% of the American population has a chemical addiction.

01:22:07.000 It's called processed food.

01:22:08.000 And this processed food is very dangerous.

01:22:10.000 And we're going to have to get our arms around it because it's a big culprit in some of the most prevalent and outrageous health issues we're having with our country.

01:22:20.000 I heard this, it may be apocryphal, but I heard that after Colonel Sanders franchised out and sold, he went to go try the new KFC and he said it was awful and disgusting or something like that.

01:22:32.000 I read that somewhere on the internet.

01:22:32.000 Maybe that's not true.

01:22:34.000 I had something in the garlic butter at Papa John's and it was, I don't know if it's a different recipe than it used to be, but it was harder to digest than I remember it being.

01:22:43.000 I cut sugar out of my diet though.

01:22:45.000 That's good.

01:22:46.000 The sugar is probably worse than anything.

01:22:49.000 Even the caffeine and alcohol.

01:22:50.000 The sugar is pretty deadly.

01:22:51.000 But yeah, the Colonel was fanatical about his chicken.

01:22:55.000 He was fanatical and finicky and quirky about how he wanted that chicken cooked.

01:23:00.000 Have you been marinating any new recipes for other types of foods?

01:23:07.000 You just work at home?

01:23:07.000 No.

01:23:08.000 Just have fun with it?

01:23:09.000 Fun.

01:23:10.000 I've got an organic garden I play with.

01:23:13.000 I would, you know, when you came in and you were looking at the pizzas that were made by the local Papa John's and you were like, oh, see, there's a problem.

01:23:18.000 And you're like pointing to the crust.

01:23:20.000 I'm like, man, a pizza made by you must be the best pizza.

01:23:24.000 That'd be fun.

01:23:24.000 We should have a pizza making contest.

01:23:26.000 Well, I would love to come to the house.

01:23:29.000 We'll do it with the Roman Empire columns with the pizza.

01:23:33.000 But the first six months in the broom closet, I was convinced I was the only one that could make a pizza.

01:23:39.000 Right.

01:23:40.000 And so I made every single pizza and that got old.

01:23:43.000 And so, um, but that was kind of funny, but no, there's plenty of folks.

01:23:46.000 Um, there's great pizza makers at Papa John's and there's a lot of them that can make a better pizza than I can, but I do like making pizza.

01:23:52.000 So you had to learn how to trust other people to make your ingredients similar to what Tim's doing with the Timcast brand.

01:23:58.000 He's letting other people create shows on the network.

01:24:01.000 Was it like a, what was that like?

01:24:03.000 It's like letting somebody watch your child.

01:24:05.000 I mean, you know, I can only imagine a mother, you know, dropping her newborn off, you know, four or five, six months into the grandparents, even.

01:24:16.000 I mean, you just, you know, when it's your baby, it's sacred.

01:24:19.000 So it was hard.

01:24:20.000 It was hard not to make ever pizza and not worry about ever pizza.

01:24:23.000 What'd you do?

01:24:24.000 Have someone make one and they tasted it and you're like, Oh yeah, good enough.

01:24:26.000 Close enough.

01:24:27.000 It's, I can't tell.

01:24:28.000 Probably wasn't quite that nice.

01:24:30.000 It was probably like, you didn't make it right, let's start over.

01:24:33.000 Let's get this right.

01:24:35.000 With growing this business, there's a lot of ideas I have for the figurative pizza, which is the content we're going to be producing.

01:24:43.000 And it gets to a point where I'm talking to some of the new staff, like, here's my vision, here's what I think.

01:24:50.000 Then they go off and do it.

01:24:51.000 Then I've got to see the product and say, OK, here's my notes on it.

01:24:55.000 And I definitely think, you know, maybe this is a bit arrogant, but if I was the one always doing everything, it would be, you know, top tier, A++, but it's impossible.

01:25:07.000 It's not possible to be doing every single aspect.

01:25:11.000 You need to have people who can take that load off, who can start expanding the business.

01:25:16.000 And you've got to do your best to find the talent and the drive and the passion for people who want to do it and do it right.

01:25:19.000 I can only imagine going to 5,000 stores is... I couldn't even imagine that right now.

01:25:24.000 Well, what's the saying, if the captain of the ship has to be the captain of the ship, he's really not a good captain.

01:25:30.000 A good captain has plenty of people around him that can run the ship just as good as he can.

01:25:33.000 The issue you got is, you have the producer, the manager, the supervisor, and the leader.

01:25:39.000 Sorry brother, you're the producer.

01:25:41.000 You're the one that makes the food.

01:25:42.000 I mean, you're the one that's got, so you're stuck there, and then you're gonna have to be the leader.

01:25:46.000 But the manager and the supervision roles in between, Right.

01:25:49.000 That's something you could fill in, but you're always going to be the guy making the pizza.

01:25:53.000 You're always going to be the guy in front of the mic.

01:25:54.000 You just need to get other folks to do these other peripheral leadership capabilities.

01:25:58.000 Maybe.

01:25:59.000 You know, maybe once we launch enough other shows, I'll be pushed into the back and maybe just... You know, look, you made your pizzas for some time, and then you eventually were just running the company, but you still knew how to make the pizzas.

01:26:11.000 I definitely think there'll come a time where, you know, I think even within the next five years or so, it's gonna be impossible for me to do four hours per day of podcasting.

01:26:22.000 It'll be impossible.

01:26:23.000 And first of all, my throat's gonna explode.

01:26:25.000 But also, it's just, if this is gonna be something bigger, better, more important, if we're gonna be building culture, Then my talents are better served helping other people start filling that role and expanding and helping make those changes.

01:26:37.000 Inspiring people and having fun and making that content.

01:26:40.000 I'll probably be better off doing that.

01:26:43.000 So you know one of the things I used to work on Saturday and Sundays.

01:26:46.000 I used to actually do podcast recordings.

01:26:48.000 I decided to pull that back and focus on the vlog and now it's much more relaxing.

01:26:53.000 But it gives me more time, so I reduced the amount of content I did per day as well.

01:26:56.000 I used to do three additional segments, which totaled about 50 minutes.

01:26:59.000 Cut that out, so I'd have time to go to the bank, to file paperwork, to deal with legal stuff.

01:27:04.000 Otherwise, the company couldn't grow.

01:27:06.000 So I'd actually back away from making pizzas, figuratively, and, you know, to do the business.

01:27:12.000 You know, if I was you, I would do the things that only you can do.

01:27:17.000 You don't have a choice.

01:27:18.000 Then there's the next column up that's the things that you could do,

01:27:22.000 but somebody else could also do.

01:27:24.000 And that's your call, whether you do it or not.

01:27:27.000 You know, and the third one is there's things...

01:27:29.000 You maybe do, but you shouldn't be doing.

01:27:31.000 You really need somebody else to do it.

01:27:33.000 And so, I think you pick the parts you love.

01:27:35.000 You're not going to be able to... I mean, you got in here this morning at 8.30, 9 o'clock, and we're going to get out of this thing at 11.

01:27:40.000 You can't keep doing that.

01:27:41.000 You know, you'll just burn out.

01:27:42.000 So, you got to find the parts of this gig that you love and the time you want to do it.

01:27:47.000 And, you know, find the time.

01:27:50.000 Find the thing you love and just work it to the bone.

01:27:52.000 But, you know, it's got to be the things you want to do.

01:27:55.000 Right, right.

01:27:56.000 My opinion.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, so, you know, I've got two different formats for the shows that we do here.

01:28:00.000 We've got this, which is the conversation, the interviews, and we talk about news and stuff.

01:28:04.000 That's TimCast IRL.

01:28:05.000 And then I've got my two other channels, which are fairly similar, which is me sort of, you know, monologuing, right?

01:28:10.000 That's the segment that you saw when I talked about your issue in 2018, the circumstances around what happened to you.

01:28:15.000 And I really do think that in the next few years, this is going to be what ultimately survives and carries on.

01:28:21.000 Something that is longer, more in-depth, I think.

01:28:28.000 You know, a lot of people have told me they like the in-depth breakdowns that I do, you know, personally.

01:28:33.000 But I gotta figure out a way to empower more people to this idea of freedom, individual responsibility, the free market stuff.

01:28:42.000 To a certain extent, I wouldn't consider myself a laissez-faire capitalist.

01:28:44.000 We've got to figure out how to grow that.

01:28:46.000 And so what I'm trying to say is it'll probably come a time in a few years where those other channels take a backseat and this becomes the primary flagship or whatever.

01:28:55.000 But that's only going to be because we'll have 100, 200 employees producing movies, documentaries, other podcasts, and just have this massive network.

01:29:02.000 And I'm going to have to do quality control, basically.

01:29:04.000 So, you know, I could make a mean, figurative podcast pizza, or I can teach people how to make, you know, and then oversee and make sure they're all doing it right and we grow that business.

01:29:14.000 Well, you know, just one meeting with you and two observations.

01:29:21.000 Remember, I did not see this board of directors doing what they did.

01:29:24.000 I did not have that awareness.

01:29:25.000 I think your gift is you have an acute ability to really be able to cut through things and really get to the heart of what's going on real quick.

01:29:34.000 And you do it in a way that's actually very congenial.

01:29:37.000 It's very, you know, it's very nice, which is most guys that are that sharp usually are pretty Poignant with their bite, but I think you've got a great way of just cutting through the nonsense and getting right to the meat of the matter.

01:29:50.000 That's gonna be a tough attribute to replace.

01:29:52.000 That's a gift.

01:29:52.000 That's really a gift from God.

01:29:54.000 It is, but I also think that, you know, I've made mistakes.

01:29:56.000 I've trusted people I shouldn't trust.

01:29:58.000 I've dealt with business.

01:29:59.000 It is not easy.

01:30:01.000 You know, what's fascinating is the things I've already dealt with in trying to run and start business.

01:30:06.000 The Board of Directors thing, you didn't see coming, but I have to imagine that, you know, throughout your career, you had a ton of beef and problems and, you know, complaints and threats of lawsuits.

01:30:18.000 Well, good judgment comes from bad judgment, and bad judgment comes from bad experience.

01:30:23.000 So it just, that comes, it just, you know.

01:30:27.000 Again, the longer I live, the less I know I know.

01:30:30.000 Just when you think you're on top of life and you got it figured out, it's like raising kids.

01:30:36.000 You're just not quite as good at it as you thought you were.

01:30:39.000 There's always something coming from somewhere and that's just what makes life so interesting.

01:30:43.000 Let's take some superchats.

01:30:45.000 Talk to the audience, see what they got.

01:30:46.000 They got a lot of questions for you.

01:30:48.000 And a lot of positive statements, it seems.

01:30:50.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and go to TimCast.com, become a member.

01:30:55.000 We'll have a bonus segment coming up just after the show usually goes up around 11 or so p.m.

01:30:59.000 Alright, Clayton Pahuna says, I ate 40 pizzas in the last 30 days.

01:31:05.000 Did you eat 40 pizzas in 30 days?

01:31:05.000 Is that true?

01:31:08.000 No, I didn't say I ate... Who's this by the way?

01:31:11.000 It's just a user, Clayton.

01:31:12.000 Clayton?

01:31:13.000 Do I get to ask him where he's from?

01:31:15.000 So they comment and we get a list of their chats.

01:31:15.000 No, no.

01:31:19.000 Hey Clayton, a little bit of word trickery there.

01:31:23.000 It doesn't say I ate 50 pizzas in 30 days.

01:31:25.000 It said I had 50 pizzas in 30 days.

01:31:31.000 What we do is we have a system that I mentioned earlier, the measurement system, where we have secret shoppers and we order pizzas and we order enough that we know through a bell-shaped curve with standard deviation who's doing what.

01:31:44.000 So we get enough orders.

01:31:45.000 I think in the last nine months I've ordered about 900 Papa John's pizzas because I own stock and I kind of watch what they're doing.

01:31:52.000 So I want to know what they're doing and as you saw earlier I can look at a pizza and tell you if they're doing it right or not.

01:31:58.000 So we didn't eat 50 pizzas in 30 days, but we did have 200 pizzas in two months.

01:32:05.000 Wow.

01:32:05.000 But you sampled?

01:32:05.000 Wow.

01:32:08.000 Sampled it, looked at it.

01:32:10.000 Oh, okay.

01:32:10.000 Maybe took a bite out of it.

01:32:12.000 And the media spins it to make it seem like you were sitting there just guzzling pizzas.

01:32:16.000 We got a lot of publicity off of it, it just wasn't true.

01:32:21.000 Rainer Chen says, $10 in honor of Papa John.

01:32:23.000 Maybe use it to buy Pizza Hut for later.

01:32:25.000 Papa John, I'm a big fan.

01:32:26.000 Love the Whopper, by the way.

01:32:28.000 What?

01:32:29.000 Mix it all in there.

01:32:30.000 Now here's the important question.

01:32:30.000 Wow.

01:32:32.000 Kyle Miller says, John, do you still have your Z28 Camaro?

01:32:36.000 I bought that car when I was 15 washing dishes at Rocky Sub Pub for $1,600.

01:32:36.000 I do.

01:32:42.000 I sold it October of 83 for $2,800 to get daddy out of bankruptcy and then I bought it back in 2009 for $275,000.

01:32:54.000 I'm not a very good hog swapper here, so don't go in business with me.

01:32:57.000 I'm not making any money, but yeah, I have that in a vault in the basement of my house.

01:33:03.000 The original car.

01:33:04.000 That is an awesome story.

01:33:06.000 You had to sell it to help out your family, is that what happened?

01:33:08.000 Yeah, old man was bankrupt in Mixed Lounge, and we sold it for $2,800 to get a load of beer to get us through the weekend.

01:33:14.000 It's funny that in 83, $2,800 was more valuable than $150,000 or whatever it was in 2008.

01:33:21.000 It's so relative, the amount of money you have and use. 0.75

01:33:26.000 Well, they had a sucker on the line that wanted the car. 0.93

01:33:30.000 Me. 0.90

01:33:31.000 Does it still drive?

01:33:34.000 Oh yeah, it's fast.

01:33:35.000 It's a 150-160 mile car.

01:33:35.000 It's an 8283 quarter mile car.

01:33:36.000 It's an 8283 quarter mile car. Yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a bad car

01:33:36.000 It's a bad car.

01:33:40.000 It's this and when you come over to make pizzas at the house

01:33:43.000 I'll take you for riding the car and show you I'll show you my 26 car museum that really only has three cars.

01:33:51.000 They always say I have a 26 car museum in my basement.

01:33:51.000 I don't have a 26.

01:33:54.000 It's three cars.

01:33:56.000 All right.

01:33:56.000 Are you getting more?

01:33:57.000 No, it's all the whole.

01:33:59.000 All right.

01:33:59.000 Release the Craggle says heart your pizza.

01:34:01.000 The name's Ben.

01:34:02.000 Was my birthday the other day.

01:34:04.000 Would you make my would make my year to have a quote have a Papa bless day from you.

01:34:08.000 Papa John for president 2024.

01:34:11.000 And this is who?

01:34:12.000 This is Release the Craggle.

01:34:14.000 Release the Craggle. 0.99

01:34:14.000 That's their name. 0.99

01:34:15.000 Oh, his name's Ben.

01:34:16.000 Yeah, his name's Ben and he would love for you to say, have a Papa Bless day.

01:34:16.000 Ben.

01:34:20.000 Ben, we love you Papa Johns.

01:34:22.000 Have a Papa Bless day.

01:34:23.000 Happy birthday.

01:34:25.000 All right, let's see.

01:34:28.000 Curious Mishap says, Yo Papa John, my second job ever was at a Papa John's in 2014.

01:34:33.000 Legit my favorite pizza.

01:34:34.000 I'm actually a fan.

01:34:35.000 Thank you for being the best.

01:34:36.000 You're my inspiration.

01:34:37.000 Well, thank you for that.

01:34:38.000 I appreciate that.

01:34:39.000 And you're my inspiration.

01:34:40.000 You're the ones that make Papa John's great every day.

01:34:42.000 So thank you.

01:34:44.000 All right, let's see.

01:34:47.000 Dark Soul says, Hey Papa, my boss just got fired for private text messages.

01:34:52.000 The company is crazy now. 0.99

01:34:53.000 Been there for two years and it's just trash. 0.99

01:34:57.000 Well, hang in there with them. 0.98

01:34:59.000 I'm not happy with them right now.

01:35:02.000 We had two fundamental principles when we started out, and that is take care of our people, be good to our employees, our team members, what makes Papa John's great, and take care of our product.

01:35:13.000 The last couple years, I feel like we lost our way with those two attributes.

01:35:17.000 I'm pounding on the board of directors pretty hard.

01:35:19.000 They know how I feel about this.

01:35:21.000 And, you know, like I say, it's my name on the door.

01:35:24.000 It's my recipe.

01:35:26.000 And hopefully, sooner or later, they'll listen to me.

01:35:26.000 And I found it.

01:35:29.000 Right now, with COVID and all these XX dollars, excess dollars, they can't do anything wrong.

01:35:35.000 The phone rings off the hook, regardless how good the pizza is.

01:35:39.000 And so, but sooner or later, you know, Our luck's going to run out, and we're going to have to get back to serving good pizza with good service.

01:35:47.000 I'm pushing pretty hard, but I'm sorry to hear that.

01:35:49.000 Was it her dad that got fired?

01:35:51.000 His boss.

01:35:54.000 CAFO says, PJ, employee here.

01:35:57.000 Nice to see the papa on your show, Tim.

01:35:58.000 I can confirm the recipes have been changed since he left to cut some costs.

01:36:03.000 No.

01:36:04.000 Again, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. 0.99

01:36:07.000 I mean, if you want, you know, it's garbage in, garbage out. 0.89

01:36:09.000 I mean, I've not figured out how to get quality or authenticity or superiority without paying for it.

01:36:15.000 I just haven't figured out, you know, how you get something really good at the end if you don't start off with really something good in the beginning.

01:36:22.000 So, I'm sorry to hear that.

01:36:23.000 That was my, as you can imagine, of being a founder and having your name on the door, on every box.

01:36:30.000 When I hear those kind of stories, I get It's upsetting.

01:36:33.000 It's like you're in the quality control that you were talking about earlier.

01:36:36.000 You know the saying, garbage in, garbage out?

01:36:38.000 You always got to make sure you got better ingredients if you want to make a better pizza.

01:36:41.000 Better ingredients, better pizza.

01:36:43.000 You got it, Tim.

01:36:46.000 So I just want to say before I read this next one, welcome to the internet.

01:36:49.000 MK90 says, the banished one returns once again in an attempt to out pizza the hut.

01:36:55.000 All hail the father, Lord Jonathan.

01:36:57.000 He shall sit upon the sun throne.

01:36:58.000 Praise the sun.

01:37:00.000 A lot of people are, I think, you know, a lot of people probably became fans when they realized that they were steamrolling you and they were coming after you and it was unjust.

01:37:08.000 So a lot of people were probably just, you know, they looked into your story, they learned about how you treat your employees, they learned about your story with your car, and they're like, here's a guy who works hard, was successful, and boy, did they screw you over.

01:37:19.000 I'd say boycott these no-good you-know-whats.

01:37:22.000 But the problem is, I love the franchisees.

01:37:25.000 I mean, if it was just these corporate, you know, bank robbers, you know, these folks that are just out for the money, I'd say let's boycott Papa John's until they get back to taking care of the employees and taking care of the product.

01:37:37.000 I can't do that because I love the franchisees and they're the small business owners at their interface.

01:37:41.000 So if I could, if I could say boycott all the corporate markets, um, you know, um, then, you know, then that may be a go, but right now we can't say boycott Papa John's, uh, even though the products slipped and the concern and the, the love for the employees has slipped because it will hurt the franchisees and I would never do anything to hurt the franchisees.

01:38:01.000 Is there a situation where if the corporate wanted to change the ingredients to something terrible that the franchisees could override that and say, we're going to use this at this restaurant?

01:38:10.000 Um, no.

01:38:13.000 They could be pretty verbose about it and boisterous, but you gotta understand the franchisees are probably going to want to go along with the cheaper ingredients because they'll make more money short term.

01:38:24.000 So franchisees are probably a little bit more looking at the finances and the economics, whereas the founder looks at it from the spirit and the soul of the brand, from the authenticity and the quality and the passion for doing it first class.

01:38:39.000 That's why I like a business like Papa John's.

01:38:42.000 We were public.

01:38:44.000 We had scale.

01:38:44.000 We were big.

01:38:45.000 You know, that's a good thing.

01:38:47.000 But we ran it like a family-owned business with regard to people and product.

01:38:52.000 And I think I like the balance of those two.

01:38:54.000 You have to have professional management.

01:38:56.000 You want to run things tight, but you also want to have that human touch in there.

01:39:00.000 This is interesting.

01:39:01.000 Manifested Destiny says, I will always believe John got railroaded because he outed the criminal mob running the University of Louisville.

01:39:09.000 He messed with the corrupt Louisville establishment that still hasn't faced any charges.

01:39:14.000 What happened with that?

01:39:14.000 Is that true?

01:39:15.000 Amen, sister.

01:39:16.000 She nailed that.

01:39:19.000 We got rid of, we cleaned, there was a three-legged stool, which is really a four, but three, the three-legged stool on the University of Louisville, and it was corrupt, was the Board of Trustees, we had to get rid of that, was the Athletic Department, we had to get rid of all those folks, they were paying athletes big money to come to Louisville.

01:39:38.000 And then the foundation, which they embezzled money out of.

01:39:41.000 So we finished all three of those.

01:39:43.000 What she's referring to is, the next was the faculty.

01:39:48.000 The faculty has tenure.

01:39:50.000 And you can't fire them.

01:39:52.000 And no matter what they do, you can't fire them.

01:39:54.000 And we were going to put a stop to that and make sure that we're here for the kids.

01:39:59.000 And we're here to better their education.

01:40:01.000 We're not here so that you can make $200,000 a year and go to Italy every other year.

01:40:08.000 We ruffled a lot of feathers trying to clean that university up.

01:40:11.000 Myself, David Grissom, and we had a great board of trustees.

01:40:14.000 We worked hard on that for about two and a half years.

01:40:17.000 But remember, we're hitting them from the top with a three-legged stool, getting ready to be the fourth, and then we have this entrepreneur classes inside that university.

01:40:24.000 So we're stepping on a lot of toes with free markets, entrepreneurship, voluntary exchange, and at the same time cleaning house over here from an administrative level.

01:40:33.000 Wow.

01:40:34.000 Jonathan Warner says, Sir, when I was in training nearly a decade ago, you presented me and my brothers with pizza and a hell of a drag race with your beautiful Camaro.

01:40:43.000 You honored my brothers that day and from the bottom of my heart, I thank you.

01:40:47.000 Appreciate you beating it out of the races.

01:40:49.000 The one thing I did love is running at Z-28 with Don Schumacher, Lear Pritchard, and that whole team.

01:40:59.000 One of the things they did when they ousted me is they took my car away from me and wouldn't let me race anymore.

01:41:04.000 So I miss those days at the racetrack.

01:41:06.000 With NHRA.

01:41:08.000 That was fun to be with the fans.

01:41:09.000 They're the greatest fans in the world and I got to race that car and then, to your point, we got to give money away just about every other weekend for some kind of charity.

01:41:17.000 Sometimes military, yeah.

01:41:19.000 Alright, this one is fantastic.

01:41:20.000 Matter B Gaming says, Sell Ian is a pirate t-shirt for $40, then give us the option to download a copy for free so we can see how much money is lost to piracy.

01:41:31.000 Love it.

01:41:32.000 That's actually a good idea.

01:41:33.000 We've been, we've been arguing about whether pirate downloading content that's being sold.

01:41:38.000 And I mentioned to you guys beforehand that if someone idea for a future currency with our new crypto thing would be if someone took my digital art and sold it, the crypto would pay them and me.

01:41:48.000 It would go to the creator's wallet.

01:41:50.000 And then the creator, I could say like they get 1% of the sale for selling my stuff.

01:41:54.000 This is kind of off topic.

01:41:55.000 I'd rather talk about pizza.

01:41:56.000 All right.

01:41:57.000 Penny for your podcast says Papa John, I got to know what's Peyton Manning like in real life?

01:42:01.000 Peyton's funny.

01:42:02.000 He's cool.

01:42:03.000 What you see is what you get.

01:42:07.000 We did a lot of commercials in a short period of time, but got very close to he and his wife Ashley.

01:42:15.000 They had two children, twins.

01:42:20.000 Marshall Mosley was friends with Archie and Olivia, so I got pretty close to the family.

01:42:25.000 Eli, he's just a class act.

01:42:27.000 Another brother, Cooper.

01:42:29.000 So just a neat family, good values, and great endorser of our product.

01:42:34.000 When this all went down, he called me.

01:42:36.000 He said, you know, what's up?

01:42:38.000 And I go, I had no idea what's going on here.

01:42:41.000 And I said, you need to do one thing, Peyton.

01:42:42.000 Until I get to the bottom of what they did, you just need to stay clear of me.

01:42:46.000 And, you know, the phone kind of got quiet.

01:42:48.000 I said, you know, I don't know how they did this.

01:42:50.000 I don't know what they did.

01:42:50.000 There's just no history of this, Peyton.

01:42:52.000 And I said, but I just don't want to tarnish your reputation.

01:42:55.000 And I think he really appreciated that.

01:42:57.000 And that was the last time we talked.

01:42:59.000 I love that guy.

01:42:59.000 Wow.

01:43:00.000 Yeah, wow.

01:43:01.000 Wandering Mage says, My father used to work for Papa John's a long time ago,

01:43:04.000 and he always vouched for how well the pizza was made.

01:43:07.000 But we've noticed a drop in quality recently.

01:43:09.000 Can't have Papa John's without Papa John, I guess.

01:43:11.000 Stay strong, Papa John.

01:43:13.000 Thank you.

01:43:14.000 God bless.

01:43:14.000 I appreciate that.

01:43:15.000 And one thing, it's kind of like when you get a little bit out of shape, you know, you kind of like it's pain to get back in shape.

01:43:24.000 To make the pizza really well, to run the stores really, really well, it's just hard.

01:43:28.000 It's every day.

01:43:29.000 And they've gotten a little bit out of shape.

01:43:32.000 And they know if I come back in, First thing we're going to do is have to clean our act up.

01:43:36.000 And I think that's a little bit of a deterrent for the franchisees that want me to come back.

01:43:41.000 Because we are going to, if we do get back, if they crash the thing, which we've crashed it three times before with bad product and bad service and no measurements and no prints.

01:43:50.000 We've done this before.

01:43:51.000 We've seen this movie.

01:43:52.000 I've never seen it with COVID and it's a whole different environment.

01:43:55.000 But the first thing you do is you have to go back to the basics and the basic is food quality and great people.

01:44:01.000 And that's going to take a lot of work.

01:44:02.000 It'll take 5,000 stores in the kind of shape it's in.

01:44:05.000 It'll take a year and a half to get them back in shape.

01:44:07.000 Did you ever experiment with drone delivery service?

01:44:10.000 No, and I like it.

01:44:11.000 I like the drone.

01:44:13.000 I mean, I hope we can pull that off because... They're doing the cars now.

01:44:15.000 I think Domino's announcing they've got that car that drives the pizza to your house.

01:44:19.000 I like that concept.

01:44:20.000 Because you can put a central kitchen in the middle of the city and not have to build all these restaurants.

01:44:25.000 You just build one giant kitchen and just deliver the pizza with drones.

01:44:28.000 Automatic kitchens too.

01:44:30.000 The pizza is all automated.

01:44:31.000 The drone comes in through the ceiling, gets the pizza, and then takes off.

01:44:34.000 I got a question.

01:44:34.000 Like an Amazon warehouse.

01:44:36.000 There's a certain amount of stores that are corporate and a certain amount of stores that are franchised.

01:44:39.000 Is that how it works?

01:44:40.000 Yeah, when I left, approximately 5,000 stores, 600 U.S.

01:44:45.000 corporate, about 2,000 international franchise, and then about 2,400 North America franchisees.

01:44:52.000 So, yeah, 600 corporate stores is what we had when I left in 2017.

01:44:57.000 So are you allowed to open your own franchise?

01:44:59.000 Have your own?

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:00.000 Me now?

01:45:01.000 I don't think they would go for that.

01:45:03.000 They're not very happy with me right now, and I'm not very happy with them.

01:45:05.000 I'd imagine if you did, people would be like, I'm going there.

01:45:08.000 They would want to drive in and have the real Papa John's.

01:45:13.000 That's a distinct possibility.

01:45:15.000 I don't have a non-compete, so I can do whatever I want to do.

01:45:18.000 That would be amazing.

01:45:20.000 Do they have patents, the recipes?

01:45:21.000 How does that work?

01:45:25.000 I mean, I know the recipe because it's in my brain.

01:45:30.000 The intellectual property rights are in my brain.

01:45:31.000 I don't know if you can trademark that.

01:45:33.000 You can just use a little bit extra sugar and then it like throws the entire recipe off, right?

01:45:36.000 Changes everything?

01:45:38.000 Yeah, but it's a little bit more complicated than that in a good way.

01:45:42.000 You can know the recipe, but you still don't walk the talk because to do the recipe right costs more money.

01:45:48.000 So the reason that they don't do the original recipe to your call before last is that they're trying to save money.

01:45:53.000 You know, you've got beat counters running your business. 1.00

01:45:55.000 See, they think the consumer's stupid. 0.99

01:45:57.000 They think, well, we'll cut this, cut that, change that, not measure it, you know, make a less quality pizza. 1.00

01:46:03.000 But you just heard it now.

01:46:04.000 We've had four calls where people said the pizza's slipping.

01:46:06.000 That's right.

01:46:06.000 I remember in 95, the pizza just was better.

01:46:09.000 I didn't know anything about the ingredients.

01:46:11.000 I didn't even care about health when I was 14 or 16 or whatever, but it was just better.

01:46:15.000 It was like $4 more, but better.

01:46:17.000 It would be like $12 instead of $10 or something.

01:46:19.000 But we're so good that my entire family, that was the one.

01:46:23.000 When I saw sucralose, sucralose it's called, in Pizza Hut's dough, I said, I will never buy that again.

01:46:30.000 No joke.

01:46:31.000 We're driving.

01:46:32.000 We're going to the skate park.

01:46:32.000 I go to a gas station.

01:46:33.000 I see this drink in the thing and I'm like, oh, that looks good.

01:46:36.000 And it says like antioxidant fruit with seltzer.

01:46:39.000 And I grab it and then I buy it and then I crack it open, take a sip.

01:46:41.000 And I'm like, whoa, that's really sweet.

01:46:43.000 And there it is.

01:46:44.000 Sucralose.

01:46:44.000 Boom.

01:46:44.000 And I'm like, garbage.

01:46:46.000 The FDA comes in from one of these food processors that we talked about and says, hey, that product is inadequate and it's not up to standard. 0.96

01:46:46.000 Here's the deal. 0.96

01:46:56.000 We're not going to pass it.

01:46:57.000 That processor goes to their lobbyist, which are probably paying a half million bucks a year.

01:47:02.000 That lobbyist goes to that senator, that congressman, and says, hey, You know, the FDA agency's jamming me up here, I need to get this product through.

01:47:10.000 The center or whatever calls the agency and says, hey, if you don't pass the product, we're gonna terminate you or get rid of your agency.

01:47:16.000 So the agency is at the beck and call of the lobbyist, i.e., you get all these chemicals and our food supply is poisonous.

01:47:25.000 Yeah, potassium bromate particularly is a scandal.

01:47:27.000 That's a scandal.

01:47:28.000 It's terrible.

01:47:29.000 D3FEC wants me to inform and remind you, John, that the phrase anti-racist means you support racial discrimination against people.

01:47:39.000 So, anti-racism has become a specific ideology.

01:47:42.000 That phrase is a proper noun, not just a general statement now.

01:47:46.000 So, I guess you'd say you oppose racism.

01:47:49.000 Your statement was meant to be in opposition to racism.

01:47:52.000 The the the the author Ibram Kendi, what's his real name?

01:47:55.000 Henry Rogers, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's a prominent critical race theorist or at least a derivative of he

01:48:02.000 writes he has the book how to be an anti racist.

01:48:05.000 And he specifically tells people you must discriminate on the basis of race. That's his ideology. And I think it's abhorrent.

01:48:11.000 But he's taken that phrase anti racism so that in these circumstances when you when a regular person says, Oh, I, I

01:48:16.000 oppose racism, I'm anti racist.

01:48:18.000 They can that when that when people say what's anti racist, they then show his book, which tells people to be racist.

01:48:24.000 It's very confusing, I know.

01:48:26.000 But I guess the issue is, if you say you're anti-racist, someone will take that clip and then try and spin it.

01:48:32.000 Yeah, I think at the end of the day, you've got to look at what's the intent.

01:48:36.000 I always look at where somebody's heart's at.

01:48:38.000 If somebody comes in and says, you know, by the way, Tim, you look sharp today, you know, or, hey man, I like, you know, you're looking, you know, I mean, one's a compliment, one is, you know, put down, but you said the same thing.

01:48:53.000 So it's always, I just look at the intent, I look at the heart.

01:48:57.000 You know, that's right.

01:48:59.000 But the media and the board of directors and the university, they certainly didn't.

01:49:02.000 You give them the opportunity, you know.

01:49:03.000 But you know what, to be honest, I don't think it mattered necessarily.

01:49:06.000 They would have found something to twist.

01:49:08.000 If they were coming after you, they were coming after you.

01:49:11.000 They were coming after me, and it's quite flattering.

01:49:14.000 They couldn't have found enough other stuff, you know, to get rid of me, so they had to fabricate something.

01:49:20.000 There wasn't enough meat on the bone to say we had a violation of Sorbane's Oxley, or we have a bad culture, or sales are bad, or we're not making enough money.

01:49:30.000 So what they do, they go out and fabricate a false narrative with racism.

01:49:34.000 There's a, there's a less common saying, if somebody wants to steal your bike, no amount of bike locks will stop them.

01:49:40.000 Yeah.

01:49:41.000 You know, uh, so, you know, this is something you, that hacker friends of mine have pointed out.

01:49:45.000 And I think that's the common among many of my friends.

01:49:48.000 If somebody, if you want to get a security system, it will stop the people who are passing by, who look in your window and your door's locked and they'll keep walking.

01:49:55.000 But if you are the target and they're out to get you, they'll find a way.

01:49:57.000 So it sounds like in your case, they were just like, we'll take whatever we can get and we'll make it the thing.

01:50:01.000 Yeah.

01:50:02.000 I think, I think I was a marked man.

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:05.000 Someone's got to open a franchise!

01:50:06.000 Smithfield, Utah.

01:50:07.000 Papa John's, I'm sure you're listening to this.

01:50:09.000 Get on the horn.

01:50:10.000 knows just doesn't do it at all.

01:50:13.000 Someone's got to open a franchise.

01:50:16.000 Smithfield, Utah.

01:50:17.000 Papa John's, I'm sure you're listening to this.

01:50:20.000 Get on the horn.

01:50:22.000 Get off your corporate high end and sell this franchise in Smithfield.

01:50:26.000 I think it's a very safe bet that some PR firm working with Papa John's corporate is

01:50:31.000 watching this show.

01:50:32.000 Oh, they've got more shirts watching this than Quaker's got on. 0.74

01:50:35.000 Are you kidding me?

01:50:35.000 We have like a ton of viewers.

01:50:36.000 I'm like, wow, a lot of viewers tonight.

01:50:37.000 I wonder if it's all a PR company.

01:50:39.000 When they actually have these board meetings down in Atlanta, you know, cause everybody talks.

01:50:43.000 I mean, they'll spend 20, 30% of the board meeting talking about my issues with me.

01:50:46.000 I mean, it's kind of funny.

01:50:48.000 Did you own a huge percentage of the company before they fired you off the board?

01:50:53.000 I own, um, 30% of the company.

01:50:55.000 31 to be exact.

01:50:59.000 Coop is saying that I'm incorrect.

01:51:00.000 It was one million illegal crossings for the month of June alone.

01:51:03.000 Please stop saying year.

01:51:04.000 I thought it was the first six months.

01:51:06.000 Yeah, I thought it was $188K in June alone.

01:51:08.000 You want to Google that just to be sure?

01:51:09.000 I'm pretty sure it was $188,000 in just this past month and it was a million for the first, yeah, six months.

01:51:16.000 We will get that fact check.

01:51:17.000 We will see.

01:51:19.000 Alright, let's see.

01:51:21.000 Holly Salsito says, Papa John's was my first job when I was a teen.

01:51:25.000 Best restaurant I've ever worked for back in 2013.

01:51:27.000 Bless the Papa.

01:51:29.000 Rip Joey Jordison.

01:51:30.000 Well, thank you for that.

01:51:31.000 I appreciate that.

01:51:32.000 That touches my heart.

01:51:34.000 I have heard a lot of people, well I shouldn't say a lot of people, a couple people say that, you know, they worked for Papa John's and now we have this and they said it was great.

01:51:41.000 The employees were treated really well.

01:51:42.000 We had scholarships for the employees.

01:51:44.000 Like I said, we were the best place to work in Kentucky.

01:51:47.000 It was magical.

01:51:48.000 It was really a blessing from God to watch that thing operate and to give all these raises and all these promotions.

01:51:54.000 I mean, just, you know, just to watch the smile on, you know, when people go home and parents say, you know, I got a raise and they tell their kids, I mean, you know, they get new cars, they get new homes.

01:52:04.000 I mean, that's probably the most gratifying thing of the whole gig is when watch people get promotions and get raises.

01:52:10.000 Did your brother, oh, did your brother stick with, what was the last thing you said?

01:52:13.000 My brother got out in 2002.

01:52:14.000 He clocked out with like 40 million.

01:52:17.000 Yeah, so he's the smart one in the family.

01:52:17.000 Oh, awesome!

01:52:20.000 He gets no publicity, no attention.

01:52:23.000 He's got homes in Aspen, homes in, you know, he's enjoying his life.

01:52:28.000 I'm up here on a Tuesday night doing a podcast with you guys.

01:52:31.000 So we know he's got the brains of the family.

01:52:33.000 You guys, the Papa John's stores, they teach the employees how to make their pizza right, right?

01:52:37.000 Like that 10 point system you were telling me about, like the people who make the pizza know this?

01:52:41.000 Yes.

01:52:42.000 So we got the super chat from Randomonious.

01:52:44.000 He says, I haven't worked at PJP for seven years now, and even I can tell you what is wrong with the pizza I order.

01:52:50.000 That's amazing.

01:52:51.000 To really do a good job, you have to be proud of what you're doing.

01:52:59.000 And when you're making good pizza, and you know it's good, you have an emotional attachment to your job.

01:53:06.000 So now all of a sudden we're, and I've heard this from franchisees, the corporate really doesn't care what we're serving, just get it out the door.

01:53:12.000 That lack of pride, then that seeps down to the place is not clean, the service is not as good, and you don't take your job with the kind of fondness or affection that you would if you really made a good pizza.

01:53:24.000 So yeah, once you know how to make a good Papa John's pizza, it's with you for the rest of your life.

01:53:28.000 Would they use bread machines to get the dough ready, or do they do it by hand?

01:53:33.000 We never use machines.

01:53:34.000 They're putting dough machines in.

01:53:36.000 It does save labor.

01:53:40.000 It does make that position a lot easier.

01:53:44.000 I don't know enough about dough machines to say it's a lot better or a lot worse.

01:53:49.000 I know it's not better, but I can't really slam on dough machines because I don't have a lot of experience, but I can tell you that it's put in there for cost savings.

01:53:57.000 And usually when you save cost and it's not 100% hand-tossed, then you're probably sacrificing quality.

01:54:03.000 The human heat seems like you want to put your love and your spirit into it.

01:54:06.000 I mean, it's the heat.

01:54:07.000 Your body heat is like, it seems like.

01:54:09.000 I mean, I'm into Reiki.

01:54:10.000 Have you seen the movie The Founder?

01:54:12.000 Yes.

01:54:13.000 They should make The Founder 2, Papa John.

01:54:16.000 I'll let you produce it.

01:54:17.000 We'll do it right here in your studio.

01:54:19.000 But I agree with Ian, we just need more love.

01:54:22.000 More love.

01:54:25.000 The interesting thing about the movie The Founder, the reason I bring it up somewhat jokingly, is that you had these two brothers who were very serious about the quality of their food, and this guy comes in and he's like, nah, fasts, out the door, powdered milkshakes, whatever, by the land, and it was very corporate, not quality.

01:54:40.000 You know?

01:54:41.000 And so it's not the same story, but it's a similar story.

01:54:44.000 Yeah.

01:54:44.000 A similar story we hear a lot.

01:54:45.000 You're talking about Pasadena, San Bernardino, the McDonald Brothers.

01:54:51.000 Yep.

01:54:52.000 Mac and Bill, what was it?

01:54:53.000 Anyway.

01:54:55.000 And Kroc came in from Illinois, and he was selling those multi-mixers, and he wanted 26 of them. 0.99

01:55:01.000 And they bought 26, and he couldn't figure out why they needed 26 mixers until he went and visited, and he fell in love with McDonald's.

01:55:08.000 And he was, Kroc was fanatical about what he called QSC&V, Quality, Service, Cleanliness, and Value.

01:55:15.000 And at 500 stores, McDonald's actually lost money.

01:55:18.000 And they had a financial guy, Harry Steuborn, that came up with the concept, let's buy the land and rent it to them at 10% of sales.

01:55:26.000 So Harry Steuborn in the, I think, late 60s, early 70s, actually came up with the real estate play for McDonald's.

01:55:32.000 McDonald's wasn't built until like 1961, 63.

01:55:35.000 Remember White Castle was 1921.

01:55:39.000 Crystal was way back there. 0.91

01:55:40.000 Burger Chef was way... I mean a lot of these concepts were 1940, 1950.

01:55:44.000 McDonald's was late to the party.

01:55:46.000 I didn't even think behind Burger Chef and Burger King and yet Kroc pulled it off with a real estate play.

01:55:50.000 That's how that worked, yeah.

01:55:52.000 Diego Williams says, Papa John, best of luck taking back what's yours.

01:55:55.000 My girl and I love your Philly pizza.

01:55:58.000 Also, shout out for my girl's art business and make it her full-time go-to, GrayLagart.com. 0.97

01:56:03.000 She does things by commission from animals to D&D characters and fursonas.

01:56:08.000 Is that GrayLagart.com?

01:56:11.000 Perhaps I pronounced it wrong.

01:56:12.000 That's what it looks like.

01:56:14.000 All right, let's see.

01:56:15.000 Zip Tie says, the beauty of being self-employed is that you only work half days and you get to choose which 12 hours.

01:56:22.000 Howard Taylor.

01:56:23.000 That's a good one.

01:56:24.000 Yeah, the one thing, one problem I had when I was at Papa John's, it seemed like every time I stepped away, the thing kind of crashed and burned.

01:56:31.000 So I was basically a prisoner of my own creation.

01:56:34.000 Today, Rob Lynch, the CEO of Papa John's and the board of directors, they're basically prisoners of my creation.

01:56:40.000 They're the ones that, you know, I mean, I get dividends, you know, stocks at an all-time high, and I don't have to do anything.

01:56:45.000 So, I like the fact that Shaquille O'Neal's an employee, you know, we pay him to do the ads, and we pay Rob Lynch as an employee, and he basically works for the shareholders.

01:56:54.000 I like being an owner and letting them be the employees and letting them be in the prisoner of my creation.

01:56:59.000 So I don't have to worry about it.

01:57:00.000 So I do like the half 12 hour days.

01:57:04.000 I like that concept.

01:57:05.000 Yeah, that's a good one.

01:57:06.000 All right.

01:57:07.000 Beelit says just became a member at Timcast and bought 16 acres to Homestead and YouTube channel called Little Tails Farm.

01:57:14.000 Thanks for encouraging us to live off grid.

01:57:16.000 Absolutely, man.

01:57:18.000 I've you know, I lived in cities for my whole life.

01:57:21.000 I lived briefly in outside of Miami.

01:57:24.000 Where I had some chickens and we had a little bit of land, but we didn't really do much other than having some chickens.

01:57:28.000 And then, uh, now we moved out here from- I was in New York five years ago for a little while, and then we were in Philly for a little bit, now we're out here, now we got our own chickens, we got our own garden, we're growing our own vegetables.

01:57:39.000 We got...

01:57:40.000 Six hens and a rooster.

01:57:42.000 We didn't realize we got a rooster.

01:57:42.000 The rooster was an accident.

01:57:44.000 Now they're up to laying four eggs per day. 0.97

01:57:47.000 We got an incubator, and this is gonna be real tough, but we got a bunch of the eggs in the incubator, and it looks like there may be like four or five that are growing, and then we're gonna have a bunch of baby chicks, and then we're gonna open up Chicken City, and there's gonna be families, and it's gonna be fantastic, man.

01:58:01.000 So, shout out BeLit.

01:58:02.000 Good job!

01:58:05.000 Clef the Misfit says, I swear to God, if you don't make a vlog episode of Papa John's house making pizzas and riding in the Camaro, then the whole channel is pointless.

01:58:12.000 Yes.

01:58:14.000 Yes.

01:58:15.000 Requires travel, but uh... Well, that's why we have an airplane.

01:58:19.000 I gotta say, I have to imagine if you personally made the pizza, it would be like the best pizza ever.

01:58:25.000 The plane holds 11.

01:58:27.000 You get 7 seats.

01:58:28.000 We'll send our PR folks up here with you.

01:58:32.000 Bring a couple cameras.

01:58:33.000 Bring a little audio.

01:58:35.000 Come up to Louisville and we'll make pizzas in the backyard and drive a Camaro.

01:58:40.000 I'll show you Derby City on Papa's Dial.

01:58:42.000 How long does it take to fly from there to here?

01:58:44.000 50 minutes.

01:58:46.000 50 minutes?

01:58:48.000 50.

01:58:49.000 So not even an hour?

01:58:50.000 No.

01:58:51.000 Wow.

01:58:52.000 How's the weekend after next?

01:58:53.000 For real?

01:58:54.000 I'm serious.

01:58:56.000 Let me know.

01:58:56.000 What do you think about making sauces too complex?

01:59:00.000 The simplicity of ingredients.

01:59:03.000 If you go back to Pluto, I think, you know, B.C.

01:59:06.000 He has a saying, what was great architecture, what was great engineering, what was great poetry, simplicity.

01:59:15.000 And if you really watch somebody that's really gifted, take Tim and watch what he does, he makes it look, you know, or you take a sculpture, you watch Tiger Woods hit a golf ball.

01:59:23.000 They make it look so easy and common and what we have found that the key to complexity, you know, the universal complexities actually are achieved through the porthole of simplicity.

01:59:37.000 So I like anything that's simple.

01:59:39.000 Simple works real good.

01:59:40.000 Less.

01:59:41.000 And the ultimate sophistication for anybody is to be able to take something really, really

01:59:45.000 complex and make it simple.

01:59:48.000 People the corporate folks, especially if you get technology people, they take things

01:59:52.000 that are real simple and they get complicated.

01:59:55.000 And then you're lost or confused.

01:59:56.000 So that's that that's the opposite of what Pluto would do what I would recommend.

01:59:59.000 So sauce less is better.

02:00:02.000 Less.

02:00:03.000 Yeah.

02:00:04.000 All right.

02:00:05.000 So we're going to do a couple more.

02:00:06.000 A couple more super chats.

02:00:07.000 And then the last question we have for you is one of the most important questions that you could ever possibly answer.

02:00:12.000 But first, Alex Maggior says, Quality has gone down the toilet in the last two years.

02:00:18.000 It was my family's favorite and now we don't go there anymore.

02:00:20.000 I hope you can save the name from Columbus, Ohio.

02:00:23.000 I'm sure it kind of sucks to hear a lot of people saying, you know, things like this, but you know, a lot of people have that, have those comments.

02:00:31.000 But now for the most important super chat, the most important question so that you can settle the age old debate.

02:00:38.000 Vantasy says, Tim, can you please ask the Papa if pineapple belongs on pizza?

02:00:44.000 Hawaiian pizzas, ham and pineapple.

02:00:47.000 I've never been a fan.

02:00:49.000 You know, it's not one of our big sellers, but people do eat pineapple on pizza.

02:00:54.000 Whether you agree or disagree.

02:00:55.000 Now, Hawaii, they love pineapple on ham pizzas.

02:00:58.000 That's why they call, I think we call it the Hawaiian, but no, it's pineapples, it's more than anchovies.

02:01:05.000 I like anchovies.

02:01:07.000 Yeah, what do you think about anchovies?

02:01:09.000 Oh, I love anchovies.

02:01:12.000 You don't like them or you do like them?

02:01:13.000 I don't even like putting them on the pizza.

02:01:15.000 Oh, wow.

02:01:16.000 I like anchovies.

02:01:16.000 It saltifies the cheese.

02:01:18.000 Yeah, it's very salty.

02:01:19.000 But the pineapple thing's always been weird to me.

02:01:20.000 It's like, why not kiwi? 0.85

02:01:22.000 It's like, why not cherries?

02:01:23.000 Why not?

02:01:24.000 Let's go.

02:01:25.000 Let's make it happen.

02:01:26.000 If you got to treat it right, because if it's too tart, it's going to it's going to impact the acidity of the cheese.

02:01:32.000 You know, so you want to you want to like mute the tartness of the fruit.

02:01:36.000 That's why pineapples bake pretty well. 0.97

02:01:38.000 All right.

02:01:39.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this has been a blast.

02:01:41.000 So thank you all so much for hanging out, watching.

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02:01:52.000 Is there anything you want to mention before we go?

02:01:54.000 Well, just thank you for having me in, Tim.

02:01:56.000 That was delightful.

02:01:57.000 Thanks for coming.

02:01:58.000 Pleasure.

02:01:58.000 Lenny, I appreciate you.

02:01:59.000 And I just have one request.

02:02:01.000 When I die, just make sure I don't vote Democrat.

02:02:08.000 Oh, jeez.

02:02:08.000 Fall Media and Crossing is fantastic.

02:02:10.000 Thanks, man.

02:02:10.000 This is great.

02:02:12.000 Love it.

02:02:12.000 Yeah, I really enjoyed this conversation tonight.

02:02:14.000 I was just enjoying listening.

02:02:15.000 And I did want to say I did get that fact check for that person who was saying that a million people came in in June.

02:02:20.000 This is not correct.

02:02:20.000 According to the Texas Tribune, up to June, it has been 180,000 people in the month of June.

02:02:27.000 You guys are more than welcome to follow me at Sour Patchlets on Twitter as I attempt to gain more followers than Sour Patch Kids.

02:02:33.000 Thank you all so much for hanging out.

02:02:34.000 We'll see you over at TimCast.com.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - July 27, 2021

Timcast IRL - Papa John Schnatter Joins To Discuss Cancel Culture And Media Lies

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