Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Pelosi Attacker's Son Says DePape May Have Been SEX SLAVE w-Michael Knowles

00:00:00.000 No!

00:00:45.000 Oh, it's a crazy day.

00:00:46.000 A lot of news.

00:00:48.000 So this story comes out the other day.

00:00:49.000 We've got, uh, Paul Pelosi's attacker is in court. 0.91

00:00:53.000 And his son gives an interview claiming that his dad may have been a sex slave. 0.92

00:00:57.000 I'm just gonna come out and say it. 0.96

00:00:58.000 I'm sorry.

00:00:59.000 I know you may maybe have kids sitting around, but...

00:01:02.000 This is just where we're at, I guess.

00:01:04.000 He said his dad's hardly a right-wing conservative, but all of a sudden now his dad's coming out saying he was radicalized by Gamergate or something.

00:01:09.000 And I'm just, I'm watching it and like, I don't believe any of it. 0.98

00:01:12.000 I don't believe the story that the official narrative he's a right-wing crate nut attacking the Pelosi's, and I don't believe he was a sex slave, but this story is just nuts. 0.98

00:01:21.000 So we have to talk about it. 0.97

00:01:22.000 You know, we wanted to talk about a bunch of things.

00:01:24.000 You got 5 Antifa charged with domestic terror in Georgia, which is huge.

00:01:30.000 You've got Elon Musk, Twitter, is taking down far leftists.

00:01:35.000 So holy smokes, this one's crazy.

00:01:37.000 Aaron Ruppar, you know him, you love him, just got suspended.

00:01:40.000 We don't know exactly what's going on yet, so we're gonna let that story stew.

00:01:44.000 Hit a little refresh in a few minutes and see what the updates are, but this is the famous Rupar, where you take a story, twist it out of context, and then, la, you know, Ruparing, he got suspended.

00:01:53.000 They also suspended It's Going Down in Antifa account.

00:01:55.000 A lot of really interesting stuff.

00:01:57.000 And then, of course, Portnoy of Barstool Sports said that Alex Stein should have been shot for entering his office.

00:02:04.000 Okay, I don't know about that, but I also said something similar.

00:02:09.000 If someone stormed our building for very, very different reasons, they might get shot.

00:02:14.000 So we'll talk about that.

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00:04:22.000 Joining us today to talk about all of this and more is Michael Knowles.

00:04:27.000 Tim, it's great to be with you, man.

00:04:28.000 Thanks so much for having me.

00:04:29.000 Excuse me, he's called me, not Michael.

00:04:32.000 His name's me, please.

00:04:33.000 May.

00:04:35.000 Sorry, got the branding wrong.

00:04:36.000 May.

00:04:37.000 Well, thank you for having me.

00:04:38.000 That's really good.

00:04:39.000 I'm excited to talk about the Paul Pelosi story.

00:04:42.000 I was not able to read the story.

00:04:43.000 I was not able to read almost anything today, but I'll look forward to talking about it, hearing what you guys have to say.

00:04:50.000 You also wanted to talk about who they are that run The Daily Wire.

00:04:54.000 That's true.

00:04:55.000 I do know them.

00:04:57.000 Two Protestants. 0.62

00:04:58.000 But one of them, but one of them is, yeah.

00:05:00.000 One of them.

00:05:01.000 Uh-oh.

00:05:01.000 Throwback jokes.

00:05:03.000 So, Michael Knowles, thanks for hanging out.

00:05:06.000 No, it's really great to be here.

00:05:08.000 I take it you're somewhere in this direction.

00:05:10.000 Yeah, I am.

00:05:10.000 That's right.

00:05:11.000 You mentioned, so you're opening up a coffee shop?

00:05:13.000 Yeah, we got the building.

00:05:14.000 It's in process right now.

00:05:17.000 You think it would be a good place for people to go and like read books and stuff?

00:05:21.000 Uh, yeah.

00:05:22.000 Well, if you want.

00:05:24.000 Oh, no.

00:05:24.000 I could donate for your coffee shop.

00:05:27.000 That's right.

00:05:28.000 It's a great book.

00:05:28.000 Pretty sure you gave us a signed copy already, so.

00:05:31.000 Well, that's for your house.

00:05:32.000 This one, though, this is Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, number one national bestseller.

00:05:36.000 It's available right now for Christmas orders.

00:05:37.000 This table's actually very big.

00:05:39.000 Speechless.

00:05:40.000 Is it signed?

00:05:41.000 It's actually not yet, but once I can see again, maybe I'll sign up for you.

00:05:46.000 People think the room's actually really small.

00:05:47.000 This table is, what is it, I think it's like twelve?

00:05:50.000 No, it's like sixteen feet by four and a half feet or something like that.

00:05:54.000 It's a very, very massive table.

00:05:55.000 It's big!

00:05:55.000 It's a big one.

00:05:56.000 All right, Michael, thanks for hanging out with your Gimp mask, and Luke's here, too. 0.71

00:06:00.000 It's a Balenciaga mask.

00:06:01.000 Please, Tim, get it right.

00:06:02.000 Me, I apologize for this unprofessionalism.

00:06:05.000 Thank you.

00:06:05.000 I will tell you, by the way, it's not a Balenciaga mask, because I felt I didn't want to give money to the satanic pedophiles, so this is...

00:06:14.000 There's also the Balenciaga one's very expensive.

00:06:15.000 This one's like four bucks on Amazon.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, Balenciaga is like 400 bucks.

00:06:19.000 Yeah, about that.

00:06:20.000 Anyway, my name is Luke Hradowski here of wearechanged.org.

00:06:23.000 I have one simple message today and that is homeschool your kids!

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00:06:40.000 That's why I'm here.

00:06:40.000 Thank you again so much for having me.

00:06:42.000 Hi, everybody.

00:06:42.000 Fix me.

00:06:43.000 Oh, well, you're welcome, me.

00:06:45.000 Dude, Knowles, you're the guy with the name, the last name is the most like the word knowledge.

00:06:50.000 Wow.

00:06:51.000 I've never thought about that.

00:06:52.000 That's very fitting.

00:06:53.000 That's gotta be symbolic.

00:06:55.000 I would imagine it's just a coincidence.

00:06:56.000 It's also the same last name as Beyonce.

00:06:58.000 I gotta be honest, though, your last name is no less. 0.85

00:07:03.000 You and every Twitter troll I've ever had.

00:07:05.000 Is that what they do?

00:07:05.000 Is that what they say?

00:07:06.000 They say, oh, you got me now, you John 6-3-7-5.

00:07:11.000 I'm very excited you're here, Michael.

00:07:12.000 I know we're going to talk about the news.

00:07:13.000 Maybe we can talk about Judaism and Christianity a little bit at some point.

00:07:17.000 There's some sort of confluence going on, and it's in the air, and you know a lot about it, so I'd love to pick your brain.

00:07:22.000 Sure, sure.

00:07:23.000 And we'll go deeper then.

00:07:24.000 Hi.

00:07:25.000 What's up, everybody?

00:07:26.000 I'm Pushin' Buttons.

00:07:27.000 It is Kellen.

00:07:28.000 Let's get this show started.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, we actually had to deploy Surge to Arizona, because we're going to be at Turning Point USA on Monday, doing the whole show on stage with a rotating panel of guests. 0.51

00:07:39.000 And I can only imagine it's going to get crazy and silly.

00:07:42.000 And I'm like, I can't say who the guests are just yet, because we don't like to, but I'm like, oh, we're getting banned.

00:07:47.000 They're pretty big guests.

00:07:49.000 They're going to get us in trouble.

00:07:50.000 But it's worth it.

00:07:51.000 We're going for it.

00:07:51.000 Multi-stream to multiple networks for this one?

00:07:53.000 No, I don't know.

00:07:54.000 We're going to do the show like normal, but we'll be on stage with 10,000 people, and then we're going to have great guests come in who are going to say spicy things.

00:08:00.000 We'll have a backup ready.

00:08:01.000 I'm so glad. 0.99

00:08:01.000 I wonder if people will yell out, shut up, Ian! 0.99

00:08:04.000 You think they will? 0.96

00:08:05.000 Because they say it in the chat.

00:08:06.000 Way less.

00:08:07.000 Because I'm also going to TBSA, and I'll be in the third row. 0.99

00:08:10.000 Shut up, Ian! 0.98

00:08:11.000 I'll make eye contact with Ian. 1.00

00:08:12.000 I'm going to organize a chant.

00:08:13.000 Don't worry.

00:08:14.000 Alright, let's get into it.

00:08:15.000 So this story is from the other day, but it's just, it's too much.

00:08:19.000 Quote, for all we know, he was some sort of sex slave, son of Paul Pelosi's alleged attacker, says his father is not evil, believes in human rights, and is hardly a right-wing conservative.

00:08:32.000 So, he said, quote, He isn't a danger to society.

00:08:36.000 I don't even know if he even attacked Mr. Pelosi. 0.99

00:08:38.000 For all that we know, he was some sort of sex slave, as Elon Musk pointed out. 0.98

00:08:43.000 And then when I read that, I just... 0.99

00:08:45.000 This is... I don't... I don't... I don't know.

00:08:49.000 How old's that guy?

00:08:49.000 17?

00:08:49.000 19.

00:08:50.000 We had a conversation about this on this show, specifically saying, hey, he was probably tied down.

00:08:55.000 Hey, Paul Pelosi was probably doing really bad things to him.

00:08:58.000 We were saying the same exact things that his son is saying right now.

00:09:01.000 But maybe his son is saying it because, and I'll clarify, I think that was you saying it.

00:09:07.000 Yes, I did.

00:09:08.000 I'm pretty sure Tim said it.

00:09:10.000 I heard Tim say it.

00:09:11.000 Don't point the finger at me.

00:09:13.000 I said don't give him any benefit of the doubt.

00:09:16.000 Let's go off at the craziest things and let's say that's a possibility here because of the absence of evidence, because they're hiding so much information, because they're changing their story time and time again.

00:09:24.000 Because they're suspending the NBC reporters who put together a very serious news report.

00:09:29.000 Who still hasn't come back to work!

00:09:30.000 He's still punished because he reported on what police officers were telling him actually happened on that particular day.

00:09:37.000 So when you have very rich, powerful people, you'd never give them the benefit of the doubt.

00:09:42.000 We shouldn't hear.

00:09:43.000 And what his son says, I mean, it's important to pay attention to.

00:09:46.000 He also goes on, talked about how his father, the person accused here, believes in equality, justice, how he was an activist against the war, how he was a peace activist.

00:09:55.000 He was, quote, hardly a right-wing conservative.

00:09:58.000 When we look at the media, they framed this entire attack as, we need to go after all the conspiracy theorists.

00:10:03.000 These conspiracy theorists are dangerous!

00:10:05.000 These conservatives are dangerous!

00:10:07.000 We need to stop them right now!

00:10:09.000 That's the narrative that they were going with, that's the agenda that they were going with, and it failed right on its face.

00:10:14.000 I think the conservative mention is what really is like a red light to me.

00:10:18.000 That they mention and call him a right-wing activist is like it puts everything else into question about the story.

00:10:23.000 Not that it should, because maybe they're just picking one thing, but he's obviously like a Green Party hippie.

00:10:29.000 The other way you know that there's a lot more going on here is that the story just disappeared immediately, right?

00:10:33.000 Because what they told us was that the Speaker of the House of Representatives had her home invaded so that someone could murder her.

00:10:40.000 So if that actually happened, It just seems to me like the sort of thing that we ought to be talking about a little bit more, but then when these details came out, like when NBC reported that Paul Pelosi himself opened the door, did not seem to be in distress, walked back to his alleged attacker, when it came out that this attacker actually wasn't some right-winger, he was living on some weird sort of rainbow-colored commune type thing, when all of these, when you heard the dispatch phone call, then all of a sudden,

00:11:07.000 The story just completely went away. Yep. Just like Club Q, just like the Las Vegas shooting,

00:11:13.000 just like so many other large events that we somehow don't want to talk about now very

00:11:17.000 conveniently. They just don't sell tickets. I mean, it's impossible for them to prove a lot

00:11:22.000 of the stuff they claim because there's no video that I've seen. They have a story that works

00:11:25.000 towards their benefit that they're going to use and emotionally exploit in order to push for

00:11:30.000 a certain agenda.

00:11:32.000 Once those versions of events are different, they don't have their conclusion that they conveniently came up with as soon as the event happened right away.

00:11:40.000 So, sorry, I just wanted to explain what happened.

00:11:42.000 Well, they're trying to drive a cultural shift, a narrative, and when they can't, they can't, and they stop.

00:11:48.000 For record, I mean, I believe the Pelosi's, when they're not home, they have security at the house, even when they're not there.

00:11:53.000 They're one of the richest people in the world.

00:11:55.000 To think that they don't have security is absolutely crazy.

00:11:58.000 No, no, but think about this, too.

00:11:59.000 Look at what's going on with Elon.

00:12:00.000 Some dude attacked his kid, and he posted a video about it.

00:12:04.000 For obvious reasons, Elon's got crazy security.

00:12:07.000 You think the Pelosi's after, especially with their hype of January 6th, they didn't have security or something?

00:12:13.000 They got to.

00:12:13.000 I mean, Pelosi was calling for machine guns at the Capitol.

00:12:17.000 Literally every single semi-bougie millennial has so many camera security systems around his home constantly recording on their phones all the time.

00:12:28.000 Anybody who is at all in political prominence has heavy security, if not 24-7 home security.

00:12:34.000 You're telling me that the person third in line to the U.S.

00:12:37.000 presidency just whoopsie-daisy, didn't have any cameras and didn't have any... just absurd. 1.00

00:12:42.000 Can I, I want to point this out too.

00:12:43.000 The New York Times reported the other day, quote, how did I get into all of this?

00:12:47.000 Mr. DePapp wrote in one passage on his blog, Gamergate.

00:12:51.000 It was Gamergate.

00:12:52.000 I love that because nobody who actually knew anything about Gamergate would come out and be like, I was radicalized by Gamergate.

00:12:59.000 Like, that's just not a way.

00:13:00.000 That sounds like something who is not paying attention to the culture war.

00:13:04.000 It sounds like something they would say to make you like, they think they're convincing you.

00:13:09.000 Right.

00:13:10.000 It's like, it's like a patriot front.

00:13:11.000 Right, yeah, you come out and you say, you know, I was radicalized by the QAnon Gamergate Insurrectionist Patriot Front.

00:13:20.000 Hey Quantico, is that what I was supposed to say?

00:13:22.000 Okay, good, got it.

00:13:23.000 Is Gamergate when the communists basically slid into the American zeitgeist?

00:13:28.000 Was Gamergate, was that the first moment where we start to see this like social, this weird social movement?

00:13:33.000 Gamergate was like some chick slept with some guy in exchange for a positive review of her game. 1.00

00:13:39.000 Yeah, I still don't really know.

00:13:42.000 And so somehow it turned into, I guess what happens is you get a lot of people then pointing out that these woke journalists are writing this fake wokeness stuff and it becomes somewhat culture war-y, like it does elevate to that point, but like the initial issue of GamerGate, this makes no sense.

00:14:01.000 It's like somebody who read a Wikipedia entry about the culture war is trying to convince you that they were a part of it from the beginning.

00:14:10.000 No.

00:14:11.000 The weirdest thing about this is, if the guy's kids come out and say, he's not a conservative, he's a Green Party guy, but this guy is going into court and saying that he was going to target Tom Hanks and Gavin Newsom, I don't believe him.

00:14:23.000 Like, here's the funny thing.

00:14:25.000 This guy goes to court and makes these claims about Gamergate or whatever.

00:14:28.000 He has it in a blog, I think.

00:14:29.000 Not that he's making the claims, but apparently he had a list.

00:14:31.000 I'm like, you expect me to believe the guy who you claim attacked Paul Pelosi? 0.90

00:14:35.000 He sounds crazy.

00:14:36.000 I'm sorry, I'm not going to believe anything he says.

00:14:37.000 I think this is a key here, too, because people are trying to construct really sophisticated narratives about what's going on. 0.95

00:14:43.000 But is it not possible, I humbly propose, That this guy is kind of crazy. 0.99

00:14:49.000 He's like a crazy guy. 0.99

00:14:51.000 I think that's possible. 0.99

00:14:52.000 See, that's one explanation.

00:14:53.000 I have a different explanation, and it goes kind of further down the rabbit hole, to say the least.

00:14:58.000 And I think it should go down the rabbit hole, especially with how powerful, how sinister, how absolutely evil the core power inside of the United States really is, especially with all the private islands that they go to.

00:15:09.000 And we only are scratching at the surface to the true reality of what's happening behind the scenes there.

00:15:15.000 Never give them the benefit of the doubt.

00:15:17.000 Let's just speculate here. 1.00

00:15:19.000 Hey, he was a sex slave. 1.00

00:15:20.000 He was picked off off the street. 1.00

00:15:21.000 He was living in a van.

00:15:23.000 He was going to be sacrificed.

00:15:24.000 He was going to be tortured.

00:15:25.000 He was going to be forced on by Paul Pelosi because I'm doing what the corporate media is doing.

00:15:29.000 The corporate media did that.

00:15:30.000 As soon as the story broke, they said, we have in the narrative, we know exactly what happened.

00:15:34.000 He did it because he hated him because he was a right winger.

00:15:37.000 They're doing it.

00:15:38.000 I'm going to do it my way.

00:15:39.000 And I'll bet my bottom dollar right now, my way is probably a lot more correct than they are.

00:15:43.000 I got it.

00:15:43.000 We should do a skit.

00:15:44.000 Called like, you know, it should be called something, we'll call it Captive, the DaPap story.

00:15:50.000 And it's like a guy's kidnapped and dragged into this house, and it'll be like that scene from Pulp Fiction.

00:15:56.000 You know, you guys know where I'm going with this?

00:15:58.000 I'm kidding, look. 0.99

00:15:59.000 My view of this is, the simple solution is, it's a crazy guy. 0.95

00:16:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:04.000 I understand your point, though, Luke.

00:16:06.000 Don't give them the benefit of the doubt if they're not going to release the video so we can see what happens.

00:16:11.000 In a world where Creepy Pedo Island exists, and in a world where everything—I know we're on YouTube, so I'll be really super careful—where every single thing we've been told by anyone in authority for the past two and a half years is totally fake, in a world Then in that world it is reasonable, it is more reasonable to assume that Paul and Nancy Pelosi every single night are whipping and torturing this random guy than it is to believe the CNN version of it.

00:16:39.000 Thank you.

00:16:39.000 Absolutely.

00:16:41.000 And they also have the Bohemian Grove.

00:16:43.000 You know what they do at the Bohemian Grove?

00:16:44.000 Mock child sacrifices to Moloch as they walk around naked in the woods. 0.87

00:16:48.000 That's literally what happens and it's documented.

00:16:50.000 So, you know, you're forcing me to disagree, but I only disagree a little, because I agree with the point both of you make.

00:16:57.000 Why are we going to trust the New York Times or CNN after everything they've lied about?

00:17:00.000 So, I would put it this way. 0.91

00:17:02.000 I am willing to say, fine, this guy's kid says, for all we know, he was a sex slave, and they need to produce the evidence to prove otherwise. 0.87

00:17:12.000 Now, in all sincerity, I think this guy's probably just a crazy person, and I think if there was a story that made sense outside of the official narrative or the conspiracy theory, drug deal gone wrong. 0.94

00:17:23.000 Yeah, his son I think said, David the Paps' son said that David was like abused growing up.

00:17:28.000 I think he lived with his grandparents and they were real abusive so he would spend his days away from home at the ocean just like waiting for them to be asleep by the time he gets home.

00:17:36.000 A messed up guy, like messed up in his childhood kind of guy.

00:17:39.000 Most sane people don't like jump at the opportunity to go deal drugs to a politician or Most sane people would not want to spend any time near the Pelosi.

00:17:49.000 It's too dangerous, I mean, just for your own livelihood to get involved with that.

00:17:52.000 Let's just break something down real quick, right?

00:17:55.000 I just want, I don't want to believe anything, I want proof.

00:17:58.000 And so I'm willing to say your official narrative in the courts is total bunk BS because you've not explained anything properly or given us video footage.

00:18:06.000 But to me, if I was gonna, if I'm looking at a roulette wheel with a bunch of different outcomes for this story and I gotta put my chips down, I'm putting it on, why aren't there, why isn't there footage of it?

00:18:16.000 Paul turned the cameras off because he was buying drugs.

00:18:18.000 Where are the security guards?

00:18:19.000 Paul told them to go take a walk because his drug dealer's showing up.

00:18:21.000 If I went to you and said, do you think prominent people are doing drugs?

00:18:27.000 Like, everyone says yes to that.

00:18:29.000 But couldn't I... My only problem with that theory is, couldn't a Pelosi get a posher drug dealer?

00:18:35.000 You know, when I think of my friends in New York and L.A.

00:18:38.000 over the years who have been pharmaceutical, you know, they always go to some, like, rich, fancy guy.

00:18:43.000 Maybe, but think about this too.

00:18:45.000 The guy was a Green Party leftist, right?

00:18:48.000 So if you're someone like Pelosi and you need discretion, you also want to make sure you've got someone who's not going to go, it's Paul Pelosi!

00:18:55.000 Someone you can throw under the bus later?

00:18:58.000 Not so much that, but someone that is less likely, like, I'm not going to invite a Grubhub driver over here who's got an Antifa profile.

00:19:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:07.000 We don't want to let someone of those ideas, we want to make sure, so for the most part we're not really worried about deliveries, I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's true or guaranteed.

00:19:16.000 I'm just saying I lean towards, I bet dude called up his connect and said, you know, he wanted coke or something.

00:19:22.000 Told security guards, hey, take a walk.

00:19:24.000 That's why there's no security there.

00:19:26.000 The reason why he told the cops, I don't know who he is, but he's a friend, is because he invited him over, but was not familiar with who he was.

00:19:33.000 The reason why he answers the door politely and says, we're taking care of it, is because he doesn't want things to get, you know, I just, I kind of feel like dude was buying drugs.

00:19:42.000 I'm with Michael, though.

00:19:43.000 These people have handlers.

00:19:44.000 These people have associates.

00:19:45.000 These people got people that do everything for them at the snap of a finger.

00:19:48.000 If you tell a handler, like, hey, go get me this, they'll go get it.

00:19:51.000 So that's the people that they have in Washington, DC.

00:19:54.000 Why wouldn't they have it in San Francisco?

00:19:56.000 To me, again, Why are we speculating?

00:19:59.000 We shouldn't be speculating.

00:20:00.000 We should be calling for more evidence.

00:20:01.000 We shouldn't be giving them the benefit of the doubt.

00:20:03.000 If we're going to be having a conversation here, worst possible scenario, always.

00:20:07.000 And that's, I think, where we should take it.

00:20:08.000 But you know what's going to happen.

00:20:09.000 We're not going to find out any more information.

00:20:11.000 The story is just going to disappear because it doesn't serve their narrative, and it's really weird, and it raises a lot of questions about them.

00:20:18.000 They wrote a hit piece about us because we were talking about this subject, you know, a week or so ago, or two weeks ago.

00:20:23.000 The leftist media machine starts writing, you know, Tim Kast IRL, pushing insane conspiracies, and it's... I'm sorry guys in the media, if you don't have anything to actually say, you can't say anything about us.

00:20:37.000 If you're like, we have no evidence, we have no idea what happens, but it's whatever the government said.

00:20:42.000 It doesn't fly, and I don't care what you think.

00:20:44.000 No, it's too dangerous to make claims about what happened.

00:20:46.000 This guy's life's on the line right now, David DePapp.

00:20:49.000 He could go away to prison for the rest of his life.

00:20:52.000 They want to just put it all on him.

00:20:55.000 I mean, in fairness, though, three hots and a cot might not be the worst thing for this guy.

00:20:59.000 He was not living a flourishing lifestyle beforehand.

00:21:02.000 David DePapp did not Epstein himself.

00:21:03.000 I'm calling it here.

00:21:04.000 Where's his phone?

00:21:05.000 I want to see the records.

00:21:06.000 Was he texting before?

00:21:08.000 What's his name?

00:21:09.000 What's Pelosi?

00:21:10.000 Paul's phone?

00:21:11.000 And Paul, by the way, made a spectacular recovery.

00:21:15.000 He seems to have.

00:21:16.000 I saw a picture of him and Nancy and he looks fine.

00:21:18.000 We also have to realize we're dealing with people that suspend journalists at NBC News and make them not come back to their work.

00:21:26.000 That's how powerful these people are.

00:21:27.000 And you know, by the way, you're telling me they're telling the truth here?

00:21:30.000 The way that's being covered is, oh, NBC made a mistake and then they edited it.

00:21:35.000 This wasn't like a typo in an article.

00:21:37.000 There was a fully fleshed out, several minutes long TV news segment where an investigative journalist went in and covered moment by moment what happened, and then with no explanation whatsoever, NBC just pulled the And another media organization covered it as well.

00:21:54.000 Did the same reporting based off police sources.

00:21:57.000 That NBC reporter, he wasn't making things up.

00:21:59.000 He wasn't speculating.

00:22:00.000 He was like, I talked to this police officer and this police officer and I saw this police report.

00:22:04.000 He was documenting what actually was being reported.

00:22:07.000 Which is rare in journalism.

00:22:09.000 We'll see how this plays out in court, I guess.

00:22:12.000 Otherwise, you know, we have no idea.

00:22:13.000 But I want to jump to this next story, because this one gives me a hearty tortle.

00:22:17.000 John Levine reports, reporters covering Elon Musk being nuked.

00:22:22.000 Dania Sullivan for CNN, Drew Harwell for Washington Post, Ryan Mack for the New York Times, and Aaron Rubar, Independent, all gone.

00:22:29.000 Awesome.

00:22:30.000 Love it.

00:22:31.000 They're gone.

00:22:31.000 Take a look at this.

00:22:32.000 So, uh, libsoftiktok says Taylor Lorenz just scrubbed her entire Twitter account. 1.00

00:22:36.000 What?

00:22:37.000 Oh me?

00:22:37.000 Oh my!

00:22:38.000 Times, they are a-changin'.

00:22:40.000 Love it.

00:22:40.000 Prominent liberal journalist Aaron Ruppar suspended by Twitter.

00:22:44.000 For those that aren't familiar with, uh, Aaron Ruppar, there's a verb.

00:22:47.000 It's called, uh, Rupparing.

00:22:49.000 Or, to Ruppar.

00:22:50.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 And it's when you take an out-of-context clip and apply false context to manipulate people.

00:22:56.000 That is Rupar-ing. 0.99

00:22:57.000 So he got nuked, and I think we have a tweet here.

00:23:00.000 Yasir Ali says, Aaron Rupar tells me he has not received any correspondence from Twitter and does not know why his account is suspended.

00:23:06.000 I believe Rupar's the guy that sued.

00:23:08.000 Didn't he sue the previous Twitter administration to get his account back?

00:23:11.000 Or am I thinking of a different guy?

00:23:12.000 Someone else.

00:23:13.000 They would never suspend that guy.

00:23:15.000 I'm wondering if the reason they got suspended was for posting something pertaining to his location.

00:23:20.000 I don't know for sure, but Elon just the other day posted a video of a guy who attacked his family, his kid.

00:23:27.000 Who looked like an Antifa guy.

00:23:29.000 He was dressed like one, acting like one. 0.99

00:23:31.000 Conservatives don't do that.

00:23:32.000 Conservative guy.

00:23:33.000 In fact, I gotta be honest.

00:23:35.000 I put out that tweet where I was like, Nora Link was, I used to think it was scary and dangerous, but then Elon agreed with me ideologically, now I like it.

00:23:41.000 Like, I'd be willing to bet anyone on the right who's crazy enough to track down Musk would be like, we love you, Elon!

00:23:48.000 Of course.

00:23:48.000 Keep it up!

00:23:49.000 You always got false flags.

00:23:51.000 Can never truly judge a book by its cover, like, except for books like Speechless.

00:23:55.000 He did own a car.

00:23:56.000 That's true.

00:23:57.000 And it was not a bad car, so I... That's the one wrinkle in the...

00:24:02.000 Some kind of wealth asset.

00:24:04.000 But it's great.

00:24:04.000 I don't care at all.

00:24:06.000 You know, I don't want to hear this, well, you know, we thought Elon was going to be the free speech absolutist and now he's suspending.

00:24:14.000 No, I didn't.

00:24:15.000 I don't know.

00:24:16.000 I'm not a free speech absolutist.

00:24:18.000 I believe in standards and norms.

00:24:21.000 And you know what I really believe in? 0.99

00:24:22.000 Banning these left-wing losers. 0.97

00:24:25.000 And I really believe, especially banning that guy who was tracking Elon's plane. 0.98

00:24:29.000 Right.

00:24:30.000 But the rest of them, too.

00:24:31.000 I see absolutely no reason for Elon Musk to tolerate them remaining on Twitter.

00:24:35.000 How do you define free speech?

00:24:37.000 Well, I define free speech as the... I define free speech, I suppose, as the Founding Fathers might have defined free speech, which is... or even as John Locke, the father of liberalism, might have defined free speech, which is not totally free.

00:24:55.000 Which is, yes, we have broad toleration for lots of different things, but there are limits.

00:25:01.000 And they're pretty severe limits.

00:25:02.000 I mean, let's not forget, we're not only talking about speech acts like fraud or direct threats or obscenity or things like that.

00:25:11.000 A lot of people don't even think of obscenity these days as something not protected by free speech.

00:25:14.000 But I would go further than that.

00:25:17.000 Yes, it's true that the libs have speech codes, but chivalry is a speech code too, you know, and I'm all for chivalry I'm all for banning people who are Degrading our society.

00:25:28.000 I mean, you know just as a matter of historical fact Speech, earlier on in American history, was much more restricted, in certain ways, than it is right now.

00:25:38.000 We had blasphemy laws for much of American history.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, obscenity laws.

00:25:41.000 And obscenity, we still have obscenity laws on the books, they just don't enforce them.

00:25:45.000 In fact, now, they only enforce it if you have wholesome speech.

00:25:48.000 If you speak obscenely, then you get to do it.

00:25:50.000 That's why I say culture's more important.

00:25:51.000 Because we got a ton of laws on the books they started ignoring.

00:25:55.000 Personally, I disagree, because who do you decide who's degrading society with what ideas?

00:26:00.000 I think if there's bad ideas... With your reason and your moral conscience and traditions.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, yeah, but who's going to be calling the shots here?

00:26:06.000 I think that's important here.

00:26:06.000 The people with the power.

00:26:07.000 Exactly.

00:26:08.000 And power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, Absolutely.

00:26:12.000 But when it comes to bad ideas, they need to be challenged with good ideas.

00:26:16.000 I think we need open debate.

00:26:17.000 I think we need open conversation.

00:26:18.000 And I'm very curious to see what happened here, and I'm more skeptical because I believe at the end of the day, even though we might not agree with each other, I'd still rather have that conversation rather than say, I just only want to hear myself.

00:26:30.000 Do we need to have a conversation about the virtues of child pornography?

00:26:35.000 Do we need to have that debate?

00:26:36.000 That's a debate we really need to have.

00:26:38.000 That is one issue that, obviously, I stand with you on.

00:26:44.000 You stand with me on child pornography, but do you think we need to have the debate, you know, in the free marketplace?

00:26:51.000 I don't think we do. 1.00

00:26:52.000 If there's idiots out there, They deserve to be challenged. 1.00

00:27:00.000 They deserve to be pushed back. 1.00

00:27:02.000 I don't think they deserve anything.

00:27:04.000 But again, if you push people away, just like you do with the censorship that's been happening, you push people to more radicalized corners of the internet, and they double down on their ideas, rather than having a whole bunch of people telling them, hey, this is wrong and not acceptable here.

00:27:18.000 By pushing them away, they won't have that kind of pushback in their life, and they're like, okay, I'm just gonna hang around other, you know, seedy people and think this is okay when it's not.

00:27:26.000 I actually would agree with you, Michael, on this one.

00:27:30.000 I see Luke's point, but I think it can be refined.

00:27:32.000 Like, there's a reason why we publicly denounce.

00:27:34.000 There's a reason why you're saying right now, we don't need to have a debate.

00:27:37.000 It's settled.

00:27:37.000 We've figured it out, yeah.

00:27:38.000 But that's one issue, but that and all the issues.

00:27:40.000 No, for sure.

00:27:41.000 And that means that there will come a time when you need to explain to someone who maybe says, well, people should be allowed to have their opinions.

00:27:49.000 And you can be like, look, there are some things that are so morally reprehensible that it's universally despised among most human beings.

00:27:57.000 And, you know, we will tell you why it's bad.

00:28:00.000 I mean, this was William F. Buckley, Jr., who was credited as the founder of the mainstream post-war conservative movement.

00:28:07.000 As urbane and open-minded a fellow as ever there was, he had a debate on his show with a neoconservative, Leo Chern.

00:28:16.000 and uh... churn said we need to have the open society in the free marketplace of

00:28:20.000 ideas and that bill buckley said

00:28:22.000 you know i actually think we can close society off a little bit

00:28:25.000 yes we discuss lots of things but he said i'm an epistemological optimist i think

00:28:30.000 that certain things are settled and we don't really need to entertain nazis or

00:28:33.000 commies your political opponents are doing the same exact thing you're doing

00:28:36.000 in europe arresting people for saying that men can't be lesbians They're using the same justifications and arguments you are, and this is why I think it's a slippery slope.

00:28:43.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no They're saying, I know what's best for society.

00:28:53.000 I know what ideas are good or bad.

00:28:55.000 We have to stop these ideas.

00:28:56.000 We have to stop right-wing ideas. 0.82

00:28:58.000 Therefore, if you there hurt people with your ideas, we have to stop you, censor you, and throw you in jail.

00:29:02.000 But Luke, the difference is that there's a difference between good and bad.

00:29:07.000 So if I'm the CEO of Twitter, and I'm determining what the standards and norms are on Twitter, and I encourage good, true, and beautiful things, and I discourage ugly, false, and wicked things, that's not the same thing as what the libs do.

00:29:21.000 based on your interpretation because for them what's beautiful is like a drag queen. 0.99

00:29:25.000 That's beautiful for them. But Luke, that's your interpretation. But they're wrong is

00:29:28.000 the thing. And so we have faculties of reason and moral conscience and we can perceive the

00:29:32.000 world and come to fairly reliable conclusions. Let me just make a point here. We like to

00:29:38.000 believe that the law is, that the world is logical. That we can set forth a set of rules

00:29:43.000 that say you cannot do X, Y, and Z. And then what we discover is the interpretations of

00:29:48.000 X, Y, and Z vary wildly and we actually struggle to operate.

00:29:53.000 Humans struggle to operate on a moral, logical level in that if you come out and say,

00:30:01.000 You know, don't be mean, don't be bad, don't hurt somebody, and then someone says, okay, well, insulting you is my opinion, I'm not hurting, and then someone else interprets it as hurting, we see there's an issue there.

00:30:11.000 My view is, I err towards mostly free speech, I agree with you on things like child porn, I think there's probably things we can say, do not advocate for something like that, right?

00:30:23.000 If you're advocating for that on the platform, we can restrict you or shut you down or something like this.

00:30:27.000 The issue is, and I'll throw it back to the law, We have a bunch of laws in the books, legally you cannot do, but they don't enforce anymore because our culture changed.

00:30:38.000 Which means there is a centralized morality that societies are willing to tolerate.

00:30:44.000 That means we don't tolerate advocacy for child porn and there's no reason to open up tolerance to it.

00:30:50.000 We just don't tolerate it.

00:30:51.000 Well, increasingly, I don't know.

00:30:54.000 And that's the issue.

00:30:55.000 So my pushback for you a little bit is there will be a debate whether you want it or not, because people will start pushing.

00:31:00.000 But I suppose the conservative view from the past 20 years is politics is downstream of culture.

00:31:07.000 So stop passing laws.

00:31:08.000 It's really just a libertarian view, but it's not passing laws and just, you know, I don't know, make, you know, Make better music or something.

00:31:14.000 And I'm not really mocking it, obviously the culture matters a great deal, but you can't neatly separate these things, and the law is a teacher.

00:31:22.000 So if I'm looking at how we got to this insane cultural position now, where we will be debating the virtues of child pornography and pedos, it's already happening.

00:31:30.000 It's happening. 0.97

00:31:31.000 They're accusing anybody who criticizes actual pedophiles, they go, why are you talking about gay people?

00:31:37.000 But we got here because of censorship.

00:31:41.000 Because of people saying, you can't counter this.

00:31:44.000 No, no, no.

00:31:44.000 We got here because those ideas haven't been able to be challenged because people have been censored for going against them.

00:31:50.000 People have been arrested for going against them.

00:31:53.000 Why?

00:31:53.000 When we had a more censor-minded regime that censored bad things and promoted good things, as opposed to what we have now, which is a censorship regime that promotes bad things and suppresses good things.

00:32:05.000 What's an example?

00:32:06.000 What do you mean?

00:32:06.000 Well, I would say, let's see, the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock in 1620, and then from 1620 up through the founding of the American nation, up through about, I don't know, the early sixties, we had a basic consensus on what is moral and what is immoral, and it was Christianity.

00:32:25.000 It was based on the Christian moral view.

00:32:28.000 And then in the 1960s you saw Led by the government, led by Supreme Court decisions, led by laws that weakened some of the censorship regime.

00:32:41.000 You saw the attacks on McCarthyism in the House Un-American Activities Committee.

00:32:46.000 You saw the free speech movement at Berkeley that led to a weakening of our obscenity laws.

00:32:51.000 You saw a weakening of our laws proscribing certain sexual behaviors that then led to

00:32:55.000 the sexual revolution.

00:32:57.000 When you opened up that society much more, what happened?

00:32:59.000 Did it lead to this wonderful period of flourishing?

00:33:02.000 No, the society has gone downhill.

00:33:03.000 It's gone straight to pot ever since.

00:33:05.000 But the parents, the dads used to beat the moms relentlessly.

00:33:09.000 Did they?

00:33:09.000 They just didn't even talk about it.

00:33:11.000 Did that happen?

00:33:11.000 Sean Connery talked about how he would smack women around on TV and society was like, yeah.

00:33:16.000 But bad men beat their wives today. 1.00

00:33:18.000 And so it just seems to me what you're suggesting is this very progressive view that the past was terrible and the present's great.

00:33:23.000 Before we had the conversation, good people beat their wives. 1.00

00:33:26.000 It was just accepted now that we're able to have... I don't think that's true.

00:33:30.000 I don't think that's true.

00:33:31.000 I mean, since the dawn of man, the guys fall in line or face the consequences.

00:33:36.000 But is your argument that in the past, you know, the past was basically made up of these knuckle-dragging troglodyte men abusing their wives, and ever since we had the sexual revolution, now That doesn't happen?

00:33:50.000 That just seems like a very progressive, fantastical point of view.

00:33:53.000 I think it was the internet, or it was really television and radio that broke the censorship mode.

00:33:59.000 Whether we wanted it or not, the technology made us look at ourselves and be like, that's what we are?

00:34:04.000 We need to deal with this, because that's not cool.

00:34:05.000 But just really quick, deciding what's good and deciding what's bad is arbitrary.

00:34:08.000 Depends for who, depends for what society.

00:34:12.000 But at the end of the day, the government's sitting there and saying, you know, Dr. Fauci's there, and he's like, you know, at the end of the day, it's good for society if we censor all these other scientists, and we let our doctrine through.

00:34:23.000 So therefore, we need to censor this speech, we need to limit free speech, we need to ban accounts, and essentially that's what I see you calling for.

00:34:29.000 So here's where I see where we're at.

00:34:32.000 I err towards free speech, allow people to express their political views, to be debated, but I think there's a little bit more limits than many of the anarchists and libertarians would be willing to entertain.

00:34:42.000 And the reason I've come to this position, where I used to just be like, well, maybe you can say whatever you want, is because the system, as it's being laid out right now by you, in your view, Luke, allows the left to say whatever they want, while weaponizing that to silence anyone who opposes them.

00:34:56.000 Meanwhile, you're standing there saying, well, they're allowed to do it, I guess I'm banned and they're not.

00:35:01.000 No, no, no, the idea of banning speech is what created this exact society, and that's why these larger virtues and ideas need to be pushed back on and universally respected.

00:35:10.000 What I'm saying is, they are cheating, and you're playing fair, and you're losing because of it.

00:35:14.000 Also, Luke, what society doesn't have taboos?

00:35:16.000 In what society is everything perfectly open?

00:35:19.000 I mean, that's never existed on Earth anywhere.

00:35:21.000 I agree, yeah, you're right about that, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive towards something that's impossible.

00:35:28.000 No, no, towards respecting speech and debating ideas.

00:35:31.000 Let's bring this back to the core story, right?

00:35:34.000 The issue is Elon Musk choosing to ban who he wants.

00:35:37.000 And my position, because I think this might argument just go forever, but I think if we can bring this back to the story, Elon Musk needs to set clearly defined parameters for what he wants, but then we also need judges to interpret.

00:35:53.000 In the United States, we have laws, but laws can be challenged and judges interpret the law.

00:35:59.000 So when a court, when a legislative body says, you can't do X, someone says, well, hold on.

00:36:05.000 X could also include Y. And then a judge says, good question.

00:36:08.000 I'll give you my ruling tomorrow.

00:36:10.000 The judge then looks at the law, looks at the precedent, hears the arguments, and then issues his judgment.

00:36:14.000 The law is not just a, if yes, then, you know, if one, then Y, if two, then... It is humans trying their best to interpret The easiest way to put it is analog, it's not digital.

00:36:26.000 It's a wave, not a point.

00:36:27.000 That's great.

00:36:28.000 That means we want it to be, there's free speech, we respect this, but then when you actually start looking into it, you're like, oh hold on, now we're getting into the advocacy for child porn part from the left.

00:36:40.000 At a certain point we're like, it may not be a call for violence, But are we going to tolerate that level of advocacy?

00:36:47.000 That analogy, it's the analog, not the digital.

00:36:51.000 The law is not just a bunch of letters that self-interpret on a sheet of paper, but it involves a human aspect.

00:36:58.000 And what this raises, this interpretive question, I think undercuts what you're saying about good and bad.

00:37:06.000 Good and bad are just arbitrary, but you don't believe that.

00:37:09.000 Nobody believes that.

00:37:10.000 It depends on who decides it, and it depends on who's in power.

00:37:12.000 But let me ask you one question.

00:37:14.000 Is it better to cook a pie for a widow than it is to kick a baby? 1.00

00:37:20.000 Cilantro is good.

00:37:20.000 You have to eat cilantro, because I decided so, because I'm in power.

00:37:23.000 That's essentially what... But Luke, just answer this question.

00:37:26.000 Is it better to cook a pie for a widow or to kick a baby in the head? 1.00

00:37:33.000 What kind of hypothetical question are you going to ask me? 0.92

00:37:35.000 It seems like a simple one to me.

00:37:37.000 Can you really not answer that question?

00:37:39.000 Obviously, you're not going to be kicking a baby's head.

00:37:41.000 Is the pie made of poison?

00:37:41.000 What's the context here?

00:37:42.000 I'm not Paul Pelosi here, okay? 0.95

00:37:44.000 But it just shows the absurdity of what you said, which is, we all know that it's better, even if she's allergic, it's still better to cook the pie for the widow than it is to kick the baby in the head.

00:37:53.000 What's the pie made of?

00:37:53.000 Is the pie made of lamb and mashed potatoes?

00:37:57.000 Good shepherd's pie, you know?

00:37:59.000 Peas and carrots.

00:37:59.000 But we all know that it's better.

00:38:01.000 Is it a brovermitch pie?

00:38:02.000 Is it a brover?

00:38:03.000 I don't even know.

00:38:03.000 Marina Brovich?

00:38:04.000 The spear cooking lady? 0.99

00:38:06.000 Well, that would be a bad pie.

00:38:07.000 But even the fact that... There are some universal truths, obviously.

00:38:10.000 Yes.

00:38:10.000 So good and bad are not arbitrary.

00:38:11.000 But when it comes to positions of power, that is usually blurred.

00:38:15.000 Obviously, whenever you give power, that power usually is being used against other individuals.

00:38:21.000 When we have people who have a lot of responsibility, if you give them more power and authority, that's not checked, that's not counted.

00:38:28.000 Especially when it comes to speech, it leads to very tremendously horrible situations throughout recorded human history.

00:38:34.000 And when you give someone power to censor criticism of themselves, we have seen the largest human atrocities because of that.

00:38:39.000 But again, this is a debate that's kind of sidetracking our conversation.

00:38:43.000 We could agree to disagree.

00:38:44.000 I respect your opinions.

00:38:45.000 I think you made some good points as well.

00:38:48.000 And I think this is an idea.

00:38:49.000 Maybe we could even debate afterwards, because I know we still got a crap ton of stories to talk about.

00:38:53.000 I want to talk about the barstool stuff, but I'll just reiterate, because maybe we'll talk in the members only.

00:38:58.000 We'll go nuts with it.

00:38:59.000 I want to believe in free speech.

00:39:02.000 I want to say, Make your points and we'll argue it.

00:39:05.000 But then I also recognize we live in a world of cultural morality.

00:39:10.000 We grew up, we have the roots of our parents, we have the legacy, the things that worked to make humanity survive.

00:39:15.000 We've retained and we've shaved off the bad over a long period of time.

00:39:18.000 Look, slavery is not acceptable anymore.

00:39:20.000 Humans used it for a long time.

00:39:22.000 The better parts have stayed with us.

00:39:24.000 I'd like to believe that we can write down, you know, if A then B, if X then Y, but humans just don't operate that way.

00:39:32.000 I mean, humanity thought slavery and the Holocaust was a great idea. 0.99

00:39:35.000 They went along with it, right?

00:39:36.000 Not a lot of people.

00:39:37.000 It was a good thing, but then it was challenged, and because it was challenged, because people said, hey, this is not okay, hey, this is wrong.

00:39:43.000 It was challenged with bombs.

00:39:44.000 Right.

00:39:45.000 And guns.

00:39:45.000 By force, if not with speech.

00:39:46.000 But it started with speech, and that's where it began.

00:39:49.000 World War II, the Allied front in World War II did not begin with speech.

00:39:53.000 It began with airplanes and guns.

00:39:55.000 No, obviously there was weaponry, but obviously what led up to it was a bunch of meetings, a bunch of talks, a bunch of escalations, a bunch of things that were related to trade, were related to embargoes, so it was a slow... Chamberlain spoke and Churchill shot, right?

00:40:09.000 The reason the left holds the position they do is their argument is that Hitler was allowed to hold his rallies and to indoctrinate and to expand and he was not sufficiently opposed and his rhetoric was winning people over because of their desperation.

00:40:24.000 He was basically exploiting their grievances to trick them into the psychotic ideology.

00:40:27.000 He was also suppressing people he didn't agree with.

00:40:30.000 He had control of the media.

00:40:31.000 Not that that's afterwards.

00:40:32.000 How did he rise to the point where he could do that?

00:40:34.000 He manipulated and exploited people's emotions, their grievances over World War I and the debt to France, things like that, the poor economy.

00:40:42.000 He gave them things they wanted and then twisted that into his insane grievances.

00:40:47.000 It's also worth remembering, you know, everyone always makes World War II comparisons because it's like the only thing that anyone's ever read.

00:40:53.000 South Stalin! 0.51

00:40:55.000 But, you know, the thing that's important to remember before we get too down the rabbit hole of thinking we live in, you know, the 1930s or 20s or something, Weimar Germany was completely destroyed.

00:41:08.000 You know, money was worthless.

00:41:10.000 Mothers and daughters were holding prostitution teams together. 1.00

00:41:14.000 Like, that degree of desperation is, you know, not akin to something we're seeing now.

00:41:19.000 But the libs exploit this and they say, well, you know, we're just always living in the libs.

00:41:24.000 We've got to put a tack in it.

00:41:25.000 We've got to put a tack in it.

00:41:26.000 It's about Kanye.

00:41:27.000 We've been going for like three minutes.

00:41:28.000 Alright, we'll go to it later tonight.

00:41:29.000 I'm sorry, man.

00:41:30.000 No, this is a good conversation.

00:41:31.000 We could do this for like three hours, you guys.

00:41:33.000 But we have, I really want to address this story.

00:41:35.000 We got this tweet from Alex Stein, 99 Prime Time.

00:41:38.000 He says, it was just a joke, dude.

00:41:40.000 Stool Presidente.

00:41:41.000 It's not that serious.

00:41:42.000 Let me play for you what David Portnoy said.

00:41:46.000 And there's some nuance to this discussion.

00:41:48.000 But this is Alex Stein and his wife's boyfriend.

00:41:53.000 stormed into the Barstool Sports headquarters. Here's what was said.

00:41:56.000 And fucking slap him in the face. I don't think that guy's been slapped yet. So I'm glad he got slapped. 1.00

00:42:01.000 And the people, you hear people be like, oh, they should charge assault charge. He should have been shot. 0.99

00:42:07.000 If we had a gun at first, a ski mask and a deranged homeless man trying to barge in. Bang, bang. 1.00

00:42:14.000 Yeah, the whole thing is the actor, which is the craziest part. 0.98

00:42:18.000 Bang, bang, you're dead. 1.00

00:42:19.000 All those people who want that will be like, well, if you come into my house, I can shoot you with my gun. 1.00

00:42:25.000 All right, well, if you have two lunatics, a guy wearing a ski mask, bang, bang, and hey, fat tabloid, bang, sorry. 1.00

00:42:32.000 We told you to leave, you wouldn't. 0.99

00:42:34.000 They're all like, he leave.

00:42:34.000 No, he didn't.

00:42:35.000 Danny was like pushing him.

00:42:36.000 The guy's like 900.

00:42:38.000 So where are they based out of?

00:42:40.000 What city are they based out of?

00:42:41.000 Is this New York, or where are they at?

00:42:42.000 I think New York City.

00:42:43.000 I think they're right in the middle of New York City.

00:42:45.000 I'm just gonna say, first and foremost, Dave, you are wrong because... I'm sorry.

00:42:49.000 If you're in New York City, can someone fact check real quick?

00:42:52.000 Then you're wrong.

00:42:52.000 No, if you're in New York City, you don't get to say someone should be shot.

00:42:55.000 Yeah, headquartered in NYC.

00:42:56.000 Yeah, if you're doing... but the show, like, where they actually record?

00:42:59.000 I don't know, I don't know.

00:43:00.000 If you're doing a show in a city where you constantly vote for and pay taxes and support the stripping away of your right to keep and bear arms, you don't get to say someone who entered a public office should be shot.

00:43:10.000 Now, that being said, we here in Western Maryland and West Virginia, with Castle Doctrine and active threats against us and armed guards, I will say there's a big difference.

00:43:20.000 If someone stormed through, first of all you gotta enter a large property, you have to go past physical barricades saying, do not enter, you are being warned, you will be shot.

00:43:29.000 Then if somebody broke in here, I'd be like, yeah, you'd probably get shot.

00:43:32.000 I don't want you to get shot.

00:43:34.000 I don't think you should be.

00:43:35.000 You probably will be because we're not going to try and figure out your intention when you break in.

00:43:39.000 But to stress, Alex Stein was joking.

00:43:43.000 I'm not a big fan of storming into the podcast office, you know, causing a fight and all that stuff.

00:43:49.000 In a lot of circumstances, yeah.

00:43:52.000 He'd get beaten up, he'd get arrested, all that stuff.

00:43:55.000 But I just want to make sure I can point out, you can't say that when you're in New York City.

00:43:58.000 Sorry.

00:43:59.000 There's also a difference in that, how many times have you been swatted?

00:44:03.000 How many times have people actually- Fifteen.

00:44:05.000 Is it really that high?

00:44:06.000 Yeah.

00:44:06.000 Oh my god.

00:44:08.000 Obviously, you know, that's a different level.

00:44:11.000 I don't think Dave Portnoy's getting swatted all that much.

00:44:14.000 The libs kind of like him.

00:44:15.000 He plays this centrist character, and so it just seems a little over the top.

00:44:20.000 I get that Alex Stein also is a little over the top, but I don't think blowing his brains out is totally proportionate here, you know?

00:44:26.000 I mean, the thing is, they know who he is.

00:44:29.000 Like, if Alex Stein shows up, you know you're being pranked by a comedian with a comedian guy.

00:44:33.000 Not saying I agree with it, but their office is also open.

00:44:37.000 Like, I don't want to say it's open to the public, but you can just walk up and enter.

00:44:40.000 It's like a building in a city.

00:44:42.000 And so people are pointing out the fact that he was able to walk up, walk in the building, go through the door.

00:44:46.000 There's no obstructions.

00:44:47.000 There's no signs or anything.

00:44:48.000 Well, yeah, guys, you got to get a guard and put up a sign saying, hey, you know, private access only.

00:44:52.000 These things won't happen.

00:44:54.000 I think that him saying it's a joke is a bit of a cop-out.

00:44:57.000 I've been using the word cop-out a little bit too much lately, but I think it's not a joke.

00:45:00.000 Jokes are words.

00:45:01.000 You tell jokes.

00:45:02.000 You say them.

00:45:03.000 If you're doing something, your actions are something.

00:45:05.000 It's a bit.

00:45:05.000 Maybe it's a bit.

00:45:06.000 Maybe it's an act, but it's not a joke.

00:45:09.000 I just want to point out, too.

00:45:10.000 You said he plays a centrist, but he's like the mirror-verse version of centrism from where we are.

00:45:18.000 He's a centrist on all the worst things.

00:45:21.000 So like, you know, he talks about being pro-choice, but it's just because if he knocks a girl up, he doesn't want to deal with it.

00:45:27.000 That's like the worst reason to be pro-choice.

00:45:29.000 That's the argument he was making with Andrew Tate.

00:45:33.000 Andrew Tate's arguing with him against this?

00:45:36.000 What?

00:45:36.000 What kind of world are we living in?

00:45:38.000 And when you live in New York City and you pay taxes in New York City, you're paying for 15 plus minute response times, not for your right to defend yourself.

00:45:45.000 So if you want to defend yourself, obviously you have a right to do that.

00:45:49.000 You know, the question's blurred here.

00:45:50.000 I mean, when someone jumps on your property, you know, what do you do?

00:45:53.000 I mean, the jurisdiction that he's in doesn't allow him to do anything.

00:45:56.000 It's not even his property!

00:45:58.000 I'm willing to bet Assuming that show was in New York, I don't know where Alex is based out of.

00:46:03.000 Well, Alex Stein was in New York City when he did this.

00:46:06.000 Okay, so these buildings are multi-leased, right?

00:46:12.000 So you're entering a building owned by someone who's not Barstool.

00:46:15.000 Barstool rents this space.

00:46:17.000 That's why he's able to walk through the halls and go in the elevator, because it's a community-owned thing.

00:46:21.000 Now, you come out to West Virginia, where we got 50 acres of our property wrapped in a big ol' fence that says, do not enter, we will defend ourselves with lethal force.

00:46:30.000 Very, very different circumstance.

00:46:32.000 Plus, you know, you're in New York, bro, you can't have guns.

00:46:35.000 So, I don't know what... I think...

00:46:39.000 He just wants to be like, he shouldn't have come in here, he shouldn't have come in here, and I'm like, to a degree, I would say, yeah, he shouldn't have, but you're in a communal building, he's a prankster, people can just come and go as they please, I agree, it's probably over the top, but shooting someone...

00:46:54.000 And this is a way that New Yorkers talk.

00:46:57.000 I say this as a New Yorker myself.

00:46:59.000 You know, it's always the hypothetical in the past.

00:47:03.000 Oh, you know what I would have done?

00:47:04.000 You know what I would have done if I had been there and I had seen it?

00:47:07.000 Oh, I would have done it so bad!

00:47:09.000 When it's just... He's not gonna... He would have sat there like everybody else.

00:47:13.000 Of course.

00:47:14.000 Of course.

00:47:15.000 I think Alex is taunting Dave.

00:47:17.000 He's been taunting him for like a month and a half and Dave finally, I mean, he went into his office and made a loud noise and smell, I'm sure.

00:47:24.000 Uh, no, not that Alex smells bad, but you're letting your smell out, you know, your pheromones, bro.

00:47:28.000 Uh, and Dave really took the bait, but him saying that you should have been shot, Alex, is a lot of people are going to hear that. 0.98

00:47:35.000 And a lot of people are going to think, okay, if a guy comes into my office, maybe I should be shooting them. 0.85

00:47:39.000 So that's a very bad, bad thing.

00:47:41.000 This is why you do not go Joker on people. 0.98

00:47:43.000 No, look, you just can't be a New York City liberal guy saying, like, I'd shoot him.

00:47:48.000 No, you wouldn't.

00:47:48.000 You'd vote to ban guns.

00:47:49.000 Come on.

00:47:50.000 You know what's weird to me, though, about this is some conservatives really like Dave Portnoy.

00:47:55.000 And I can, you know, he's not exactly my flavor of conservatism.

00:47:59.000 But where did the bad blood start with Stein and Portnoy?

00:48:02.000 About a month and a half ago on Twitter, I think, Alex, it was real minor to be like, Dave, you smell.

00:48:08.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:48:08.000 What were the dumb tweets? 0.98

00:48:10.000 I wish Alex was here to tell us. 0.99

00:48:11.000 I don't know.

00:48:11.000 No, it started with something specific.

00:48:13.000 Really?

00:48:13.000 Yeah, it was like low-key.

00:48:15.000 It wasn't, but Alex really was like, I like this.

00:48:17.000 I want the attention.

00:48:18.000 I want to make a big deal out of it.

00:48:19.000 It's good for me and Dave publicly.

00:48:20.000 I think it was Alex's mindset.

00:48:23.000 No, but look, Alex Stein is a very, very smart guy.

00:48:25.000 I've had him on the show a couple times.

00:48:27.000 He's wild.

00:48:27.000 He's obnoxious, but he is quick.

00:48:30.000 Like he comes up with these one-liners and these jokes.

00:48:32.000 I'm like, the dude knows what he's doing and what he's talking about.

00:48:34.000 He's got a plan.

00:48:35.000 The plan may be crazy.

00:48:36.000 It may be a bit jokerish, but Stein's a smart guy. And he was like, Dave, I was joking,

00:48:41.000 like earlier on a week ago, he's like, Dave, I'm joking around. Come on, let's have fun.

00:48:44.000 And Dave, but Dave was already too. He was angry at that point. And I haven't seen Dave

00:48:47.000 cool down yet. So what was it? Chrissy Mayer said they waltz right in because your receptionist is

00:48:52.000 dumb and buzzed them in. Is that what happened? Because if that's what happened, then 0.99

00:48:55.000 Dave, sorry, you've lost every, like, you know, every argument. Isn't there also a

00:49:00.000 difference between if a guy busts in to my home at night or something then yeah I if I can get a gun all

00:49:08.000 start blasting away But if a guy comes into my office, well, I'll just take my producer Ben Davies and hold him right in front of me, and so he can take all the bullets or anything.

00:49:15.000 Shout out to Ben Davies.

00:49:17.000 When the pandemic was heating up, there was a viral video out of, I think it was Los Angeles County or something, where a guy, a gun shop owner said, stop getting mad at me that I can't sell you guns.

00:49:27.000 You voted for this.

00:49:28.000 You voted for the wait periods.

00:49:29.000 You voted for permitting.

00:49:31.000 You cannot buy guns.

00:49:32.000 It's your fault.

00:49:33.000 People were showing up to gun shops being like, I'd like to buy a gun.

00:49:35.000 He'd be like, okay, fill this form out, come back in a week.

00:49:37.000 And they'd go, what?

00:49:38.000 I need a gun now.

00:49:38.000 And I'd be like, yeah, well, you voted for it or didn't vote at all.

00:49:41.000 So, to have these New York City liberals in a state that is a duty to retreat, I'm assuming New York is that way, New Jersey is that way.

00:49:50.000 In New Jersey, if someone breaks into your house, you have to flee your own home.

00:49:55.000 To where?

00:49:56.000 To Florida, Texas, and Tennessee.

00:49:58.000 They called it, right, exactly.

00:49:59.000 They call it partial castle doctrine.

00:50:01.000 I talked to a lawyer about it, because someone tried breaking in, and he was like, if someone breaks in your house, and there is any way you can escape, you have to.

00:50:10.000 And I'm like, window?

00:50:11.000 Yep.

00:50:11.000 Door?

00:50:11.000 Yep.

00:50:12.000 Jump off the balcony?

00:50:13.000 And he's like, within reason, obviously.

00:50:14.000 But if you're in your house, and someone goes to the front door, you've got to go out the back.

00:50:18.000 And I'm like, go where?

00:50:20.000 Go to Dunkin' Donuts.

00:50:21.000 And then call the cops. 0.84

00:50:23.000 And then I'm just like, and if there are people trapped inside, they're like, well, you know, it's interesting, but depends on what they're going to argue.

00:50:30.000 And what I was told is that the prosecutors in Jersey, of course they will argue you did wrong, no matter what you did.

00:50:36.000 So that's why I like West Virginia.

00:50:38.000 West Virginia, someone breaks into your house, you defend yourself, the cops say, shouldn't have come into your house.

00:50:42.000 You get in trouble in New York City for having pepper spray.

00:50:45.000 Yeah, literally.

00:50:46.000 New York is a duty to retreat.

00:50:48.000 I mean, I grew up in New York City, too.

00:50:50.000 It's not only a retreat.

00:50:51.000 It's a retreat.

00:50:53.000 Pull your pants down, bend over, and just take it.

00:50:56.000 Because what else are you going to do?

00:50:58.000 Other than, of course, be a helpless victim as criminals there obviously have guns.

00:51:02.000 Obviously they have ways of getting guns with the Glock switches and everything.

00:51:05.000 But you?

00:51:06.000 No!

00:51:07.000 You're not trusted enough to do that.

00:51:09.000 Is it because vigilante justice was out of control or something?

00:51:12.000 Like, why did they make it?

00:51:13.000 Why can't you just stop someone from coming into your house in New York?

00:51:16.000 I don't know, man.

00:51:17.000 That's a good question.

00:51:18.000 Yeah, well... Because when cops kick your door in, they don't want to be worried about it.

00:51:22.000 The cops don't want to fear that if they serve a bunk warrant or enter the wrong house, they're gonna get a shock reprisal.

00:51:28.000 Because criminals are going to have guns anyway.

00:51:30.000 Didn't Indiana pass a law saying that if a cop wrongly enters your home, you could legally defend yourself?

00:51:35.000 I think Ohio did too.

00:51:36.000 I think it was Indiana.

00:51:37.000 Yeah.

00:51:38.000 I saw Michael Malice tweeting about this, celebrating it.

00:51:40.000 Really?

00:51:41.000 He was very happy.

00:51:42.000 I'm going to look it up right now.

00:51:45.000 That's amazing.

00:51:46.000 Because me and Malice are both anarchists, just so you understand where we're coming from.

00:51:50.000 So that could explain the debate we're having, which is great and awesome.

00:51:52.000 Oh, I'll tell you, too.

00:51:53.000 I was saying this to Malice. 1.00

00:51:55.000 I was saying this to some of my more kind of Ayn Rand-y friends, because I don't like Ayn Rand.

00:52:00.000 I went through a phase when I was a teenager.

00:52:02.000 Really, I hate Ayn Rand.

00:52:05.000 But the more That I live through COVID and post-COVID?

00:52:10.000 The more that I see, I don't know, I'm gonna wind up an anarchist.

00:52:14.000 Somehow I'm gonna wind up a trad anarchist, I think.

00:52:16.000 Because, you know, now, this is why it's also Dave's fault, if you are still conducting business in New York or LA, That's your fault.

00:52:25.000 You had plenty of time to get out.

00:52:27.000 Get out.

00:52:27.000 Like, there's no reason to stay there.

00:52:28.000 Hey, hey, hey, forcing your will onto other people isn't cool.

00:52:32.000 Being a statist and authoritarian is not cool.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, except for sometimes.

00:52:36.000 No!

00:52:37.000 If I keep pooping in your water supply.

00:52:39.000 See, this is where I differ with also, you know, the anarchists and libertarian friends of the show is that I look at jurisdiction, right?

00:52:48.000 I've had the libertarians argue, no borders.

00:52:50.000 Borders are imaginary, anarchists. 0.91

00:52:51.000 Borders are imaginary. 0.98

00:52:52.000 And I was like, How do you protect your family if you don't set a perimeter to where you're allowed to live peacefully?

00:52:58.000 Like, jurisdiction is actually setting a limitation on yourself.

00:53:01.000 I actually feel that arguing for no borders is an extension of your authority over others.

00:53:05.000 Right.

00:53:05.000 When the United States says, this is our southern border.

00:53:08.000 We're not going to go over there.

00:53:09.000 Well, we do anyway.

00:53:10.000 But the idea is, this is my property line.

00:53:13.000 I'm not going to go over by you.

00:53:14.000 This is where I'm going to do my thing.

00:53:15.000 Please leave me alone.

00:53:16.000 If we said borders don't matter, you're basically saying at any point I can go over by you and do what I need to do.

00:53:22.000 Well, and also that's just an expression of the false anthropology at the heart of anarchism and libertarianism.

00:53:27.000 You guys are strawmanning this.

00:53:28.000 I just want to say for the record here and it's far more complicated because we could get into details like welfare and welfare incentivizing people to move over.

00:53:36.000 We could talk about the weaponization of immigration.

00:53:39.000 And I think the Mises caucus, especially under Dave Smith, has been addressing this issue in a very smart and correct way, addressing this immigration issue in a more correct way, saying, hey, as long as we have the welfare state, we shouldn't have open immigration.

00:53:53.000 But if you got rid of the welfare state, then borders should be erased or something like that.

00:53:56.000 Well, it depends.

00:53:57.000 It's a complicated argument and there's many different factors that are multifaceted here.

00:54:01.000 To me, anarchism, it's not an all-end solution to everything.

00:54:04.000 It's never going to be perfect, but I think as humanity we should always be striving for personal responsibility and for personal freedom and liberty.

00:54:11.000 And I agree to a great extent.

00:54:13.000 My concern is the Communist Party of China exists.

00:54:17.000 They've exerted authoritarian control over their people to the extent where they're welding them into their homes.

00:54:22.000 We can be the anarchists of free trade and all that, and when the Chinese Communist Party comes knocking and says, we'd like to purchase some land in free trade, and we say, sounds good to us, then before we know it they own 40% of the farmland on the west coast, and then all of a sudden they're using that against us, cutting off supply lines, we're being attacked from within, which means I'd love for there, with, you look at the United States, and Ron Paul made a great point that I love where he said, in the U.S. 0.80

00:54:48.000 you can be a socialist.

00:54:49.000 Go buy land, go set up your little socialist commune.

00:54:52.000 Why do you want to force everyone else to do that?

00:54:54.000 We set the boundaries, we set the rules, we agree on those rules, and then we can live in peace and harmony.

00:54:59.000 We're also discussing these things as though they're opposites, communism and anarchism.

00:55:04.000 In fact, they're two sides of the same coin, because they partake of the same false anthropology, which says that the fundamental political institution is the individual, which is not true and has never been true.

00:55:14.000 The fundamental political unit is the family, and so people are not born as the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment rationalists would have you believe.

00:55:21.000 Individuals with a bunch of rights and entitlements, but primarily, though we do have rights, but we are born not as these atoms floating through space, but into families with duties and obligations and so your love of your state and your love of your country is an extension of that filial piety because you have an obligation to respect your father and mother.

00:55:40.000 I think centralization is a big problem throughout human history.

00:55:44.000 I think decentralization... Essentially, this is what kind of boils down.

00:55:47.000 now but again we're getting into larger ideology.

00:55:49.000 No, but what's a balance of the two?

00:55:51.000 You can't have authoritarianism or pure anarchism, you can't have pure either of the two extremes.

00:55:55.000 I think right now it's more than fair to say that we are more centralized than ever and

00:56:00.000 we need more decentralization.

00:56:01.000 And this is what the philosophy of anarchism is pushing because right now I think it's

00:56:05.000 fair to say that too many people in the central government have too much power over everyone

00:56:08.000 else and we need to limit that power.

00:56:10.000 And this is where we agree and I think when you look at the political compass the least

00:56:16.000 populated portion of it is the center-left liberal.

00:56:20.000 It's either far-left, moderate-authoritarian to very authoritarian, and then you have moderate-conservative to, like, libertarian-right, and then you actually, I would argue, have more authoritarian right-wingers than you actually have Center-left liberal libertarian types.

00:56:40.000 It doesn't exist.

00:56:41.000 I'm center-left lib.

00:56:43.000 But most people who claim to be are literally not.

00:56:45.000 Most people who claim to be are authoritarian left, want speech policing to an extreme degree.

00:56:49.000 I was just told that that's what I was when I took the test.

00:56:51.000 I don't know what I am.

00:56:51.000 This is the point, and I'll get into the next story.

00:56:54.000 The point is, If you are on the libertarian spectrum of the political compass, you still have a degree of authority that you expect to exist.

00:57:02.000 Unless you're all the way on the bottom at anarchy.

00:57:05.000 Listen, we talked about this before.

00:57:07.000 On a local small level, you know, I forgot who said this.

00:57:10.000 Someone more smarter than me said this.

00:57:12.000 On a local family level, you should be communists.

00:57:14.000 And then on a community level, you should be socialists.

00:57:17.000 And then on a state level, you should move away further from centralization and call for more decentralization.

00:57:22.000 And I agree.

00:57:23.000 The family unit, I think, is one of the most important units.

00:57:25.000 But I think we also have to respect the strongest minority of them all, and that's the individual.

00:57:32.000 Uh, and you could still do that while, of course, prioritizing families, communities, and neighborhoods and individuals coming together to work together without any kind of mafioso, central controller, government bureaucrat coming in and getting a cut of the money.

00:57:43.000 No, but the trads love subsidiarity. 1.00

00:57:45.000 I mean, that's a principle of, uh, well, uh, put forward by Thomas Aquinas and by conservatives since time immemorial.

00:57:52.000 I think the place we're getting confused is we're pretending that individualism, you know,

00:57:57.000 the anarchists and the communists are opposites when they both accept the same fundamental

00:58:02.000 premise which I think is a wrong premise, which is that the individual is the primary

00:58:06.000 unit of society.

00:58:07.000 And so the anarchists say it's the individual and it has to remain that way and the communists

00:58:11.000 say it's the individual and that's why we've got to lump them all together.

00:58:15.000 But it's the conservatives who are offering the only genuine alternative, which says, no, it's actually not about this individualism.

00:58:21.000 It doesn't just come down to the individual.

00:58:23.000 It comes down to something that is more institutional and actually fundamental to your humanity, which is family and community and tradition, and not just the use of your individual unfettered reason to come up with some cockamamie idea.

00:58:37.000 It's why I think Karl Marx, if he were alive today, would be in the Tea Party or something.

00:58:41.000 I absolutely disagree with that in its total essence, and when we look at essentially what is boiling down to what a lot of these larger parties and ideas, especially when it comes to conservatives and what they're doing, they're essentially just kind of the liberals 10 years from now.

00:58:55.000 When you look at the policies, when you look at them deciding to use force and government against other individuals to impose their ideas, I think at the end of the day this is the key central role when Anarchists and libertarians don't want a central figure, don't want someone telling them what to do, and I think this notion of back and forth, the government is good, they're going to tell us what to do right, they have the ultimate decision-making and what is good and bad, I think that pendulum, when it swings back and forth between the left and right, is only bringing on more government, more authoritarianism, and I think we need a lot less of that.

00:59:26.000 But Luke, do you not see the irony of, you know, lamenting that the wicked conservative authoritarians want to impose their views and use the power of the state on you, when what you are advocating is you're saying, what we need to do, Michael, is we need to get rid of our political order in the United States, we need to get rid of tradition, we need to get rid of borders, we need to get rid of all these things.

00:59:45.000 I never said that.

00:59:46.000 Well, what you are suggesting is a radical upending of our political order, at the very least.

00:59:50.000 You're not saying we're living in an anarchist utopia already.

00:59:52.000 No, no, no.

00:59:53.000 It's not fair to put words in my mouth.

00:59:54.000 I'm not calling for those things.

00:59:55.000 I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying.

00:59:56.000 I strongly believe in families.

00:59:58.000 I think they should be prioritized, and I think individuals should treat families in a kind of communistic way, on the individual basis, without any kind of force or government intervening in that.

01:00:06.000 This is why I'm a huge proponent of homeschooling.

01:00:08.000 This is why I'm a huge proponent of moving away from depending on government for daily life and personal responsibility.

01:00:15.000 What if the families abuse kids?

01:00:16.000 That's a horrible situation that needs to be mitigated.

01:00:19.000 By the government?

01:00:21.000 That's a very hard decision.

01:00:23.000 That's one example that is very hard to deal with.

01:00:25.000 You're making this very niche kind of argument, but I could say, what about the government and the FBI raping small children and bringing them to small islands?

01:00:34.000 Let's keep the conversation in line and not go that far off.

01:00:38.000 What if the government determines that not vaccinating your kids is abuse?

01:00:44.000 So the challenges that we have, and that point right there is why I say morality is not uh... logical

01:00:51.000 morality is amorphous it's it's analog it's not digital we say something like

01:00:56.000 you shouldn't be allowed to abuse your kids if a guy's beating his child we

01:00:59.000 should intervene and stop that and then someone else says you're right

01:01:03.000 and if you're not giving the kid the appropriate medical treatment for their

01:01:06.000 disease that's abuse and then you ask the question which medical treatment

01:01:10.000 Are we talking about a vegan mom who's not giving her son any meat because she's determined what's right for her kids, and then we intervene?

01:01:18.000 Or are we talking about, say, a gender transition program where the government says it's abuse if you don't give it to them?

01:01:24.000 There's not a one-for-one answer.

01:01:25.000 The only, and I agree with that of course, the only point I'm trying to make is that I find libertarianism and anarchism to be extremely authoritarian in as much as they seek to impose a political order on me that I think is absurd and that I don't want.

01:01:39.000 I don't want to live in a political order in which I, in a self-government, cannot, through my representatives and through the police force, take a child out of an abusive home.

01:01:48.000 A libertarian or an anarchist might prefer that, but that's not what I want, and so I find it very authoritarian But you'd rather have a government and support a government and pay taxes to a government that's running international trafficking organizations.

01:01:59.000 Oh, come on! 0.99

01:02:00.000 But if you make an argument saying, I support... But I can make the same argument there.

01:02:05.000 No, I never said that.

01:02:06.000 Here's the ideal.

01:02:07.000 The ideal is, if a guy punches a kid in the face, we protect that kid and get it away from that person.

01:02:12.000 If a guy's beating his wife, we get his wife out of there. 1.00

01:02:15.000 But then there's a simple challenge.

01:02:17.000 The law says, you shall not cause physical harm to your children or your spouse, be it male or female.

01:02:23.000 And then we say, that's a fine law.

01:02:25.000 You cannot physically harm.

01:02:27.000 And then someone goes, this woman was giving her kid an all soy diet with no protein, and he's sickly, anemic, and about to die.

01:02:34.000 Do we intervene in that regard?

01:02:36.000 But the mother says, I know what's right for my kid.

01:02:39.000 Then we say, okay, you're right.

01:02:41.000 She's abusing the kid. 1.00

01:02:42.000 Then someone says, oh, but the government, Dr. Fauci says, this vaccine has to be for kids, and the parent won't do it should the government then intervene.

01:02:50.000 It's the same law, but interpreted in different scenarios.

01:02:52.000 Traditionally, the American response to this is that we have a self-government.

01:02:56.000 And to your point, Luke, very often it does not appear that we actually have a self-government, increasingly.

01:03:01.000 But notionally, that's the idea, at least.

01:03:03.000 And so within this self-government, we have the right, as citizens, to come to answers on these questions and say, you know, the all-soy diet, that is abusive, you're not allowed to do that.

01:03:13.000 The vaccine, no, we're not going to make you vaccinate your kids.

01:03:16.000 And that's particular, but that does mean that we have the right to impose our views of the world on others.

01:03:21.000 That is the premise and prerequisite of self-government.

01:03:24.000 If you do not do that, then, well, you'll have to impose some other political order, which will get you right back to the same problem.

01:03:31.000 Let me ask you, Luke, if a kid had strep throat, bacterial, And the doctor said, we're gonna... I don't know what the actual treatment is, amoxicillin?

01:03:40.000 Do they still do amoxicillin?

01:03:40.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:03:42.000 And the mother says, no, I don't want any of that weird stuff, we're gonna give him tree bark.

01:03:46.000 Do you think the government should intervene, or just let the kid die?

01:03:49.000 There's a lot of variables in that particular situation.

01:03:52.000 So, again, hypotheticals are not my favorite.

01:03:54.000 I don't think it's fair to even issue a lot of those kinds of hypotheticals in that particular situation.

01:03:57.000 Hold on there a minute.

01:03:58.000 Answer the question.

01:04:00.000 Don't try and patter your way out of this.

01:04:02.000 I'm not pattering my way.

01:04:02.000 I'm addressing the situation.

01:04:04.000 I don't think it's a fair question.

01:04:06.000 How is it not a fair question?

01:04:08.000 A kid has a very simply curable bacterial infection and the mom doesn't want to give him medicine.

01:04:11.000 Should the government intervene?

01:04:16.000 At this instant, in this current situation, the government will intervene.

01:04:20.000 Should they?

01:04:21.000 I don't have all the answers.

01:04:22.000 This is the challenge.

01:04:23.000 When I start thinking about how, yes, I want to be much more libertarian, I don't like vaccine mandates, and when we say something like, look, I've had, when I was a kid, you know, strep throat or whatever, and they gave me that pink stuff that tasted really, really great.

01:04:37.000 It was like strawberry flavored amoxicillin or something.

01:04:39.000 And it cures you.

01:04:40.000 We know antibiotics cure diseases.

01:04:43.000 Shout out to fungus.

01:04:44.000 Shout out to fungus.

01:04:45.000 So if I see a parent who's like, I'm gonna rub crystals on my kid, I'm like, well look, I don't like the idea that the government can come in and tell a parent how to raise their kid.

01:04:55.000 That's a big problem.

01:04:56.000 But there's also Oh man, what do you do?

01:04:59.000 We know that antibiotics can cure certain diseases.

01:05:03.000 How do we navigate this when Dr. Fauci says, you must do this for your kid, even if it's like, you know, we're in phase three trials and it's only been a couple years.

01:05:12.000 At that point, you're like, I object, but at the core, the nuance of the situation is different, but it's the same thing.

01:05:19.000 Do I accept the government can intervene when a person defies the science?

01:05:25.000 Man, now I'm like, I'm watching a kid die of strep throat when I know he could save his life because I don't want someone to be forced to inject their kid over here.

01:05:32.000 I don't have the answer for that.

01:05:33.000 Well, there's also, one, there's a difference between amoxicillin and the Fauci Ouchie.

01:05:37.000 You know, we have a lot more long-term data on one of those than the other.

01:05:40.000 But also, to your point, can the government do this?

01:05:43.000 There is an historical matter here, which you've pointed out, Luke, which is that Throughout all of human history, in every single society, in every single place on planet Earth, the government, by which we mean people having power within political communities, do impose those things.

01:06:00.000 Every single place, occasionally anarchists will say, you know, in 8th century Iceland or something, but, you know, okay, fine.

01:06:06.000 But everywhere for all of you.

01:06:08.000 Catalonia Street.

01:06:09.000 Right, right.

01:06:10.000 If you look at government interventions, I mean, again, anarchism doesn't have all the solutions, doesn't have all the answers, and I do believe children should always be protected.

01:06:17.000 Obviously, that should be a common sense answer.

01:06:19.000 No, no, no, hold on, hold on.

01:06:20.000 But hold on.

01:06:21.000 If you make a point, I've got to address the point.

01:06:23.000 Okay, but this is the larger point that I wanted to make here.

01:06:25.000 I'm not finished here.

01:06:26.000 I'm laying down the groundwork for this point.

01:06:27.000 But you don't agree with that.

01:06:29.000 You don't think kids should always be protected?

01:06:30.000 It depends on the circumstances and situations.

01:06:32.000 I don't want to be the central controller deciding a lot of these things.

01:06:35.000 A lot of these things will be decided by individuals or communities or families and neighborhoods that will decide for themselves what is right.

01:06:41.000 And I believe at the end of the day that is a better thing that will happen rather than a government coming in and taking a kid and putting them into CPS.

01:06:49.000 What is the difference?

01:06:51.000 Look at how horrible our CPS system is.

01:06:53.000 Look at how many kids get hurt inside of the CPS system.

01:06:56.000 I have a question.

01:06:57.000 So all I'm saying is, at the end of the day, I don't have all the answers and solutions here.

01:07:01.000 No one does.

01:07:01.000 Obviously, there's flaws in every single political argument and political ideology.

01:07:05.000 Yes, obviously.

01:07:06.000 But at the end of the day, individuals should decide for themselves, not central controllers.

01:07:10.000 So let me ask a simple question.

01:07:12.000 Two circumstances.

01:07:14.000 Government says we will not intervene in what the family decides to do with their child.

01:07:19.000 The family then decides they will sterilize and castrate their kid and give them hormones. 0.96

01:07:24.000 Second scenario.

01:07:25.000 You mean what they're doing right now with the state protection?

01:07:27.000 Second scenario.

01:07:28.000 Family says we will not give this kid hormone therapy and surgery and the government does intervene.

01:07:35.000 Right.

01:07:36.000 Which one's the right or wrong one?

01:07:38.000 Do we say the government should not intervene in the parent's decision as they decide to give their kid what they deem best, a sex change? 0.56

01:07:45.000 Or do we stop the government from forcing the sex change because the child wants it and the state deems it to be too? 0.56

01:07:51.000 Taking responsibility away from yourself, taking decisions away from the family, from the community, is, to me, a recipe for disaster.

01:07:58.000 This is what I'm arguing again.

01:08:00.000 That's my main argument.

01:08:02.000 Do you think... Not some emotional argument about kicking a baby.

01:08:07.000 If a mother and father publicly announce that their child of 12 wants to be castrated and injected with hormones, should we just say that's your choice as a parent?

01:08:19.000 I think that should be pushed back against in many different ways.

01:08:21.000 That's a horrible decision.

01:08:23.000 That's going to hurt the child.

01:08:24.000 And I think there should at least be informed consent and some community involvement.

01:08:28.000 How can there be informed consent for the kid?

01:08:30.000 This is the thing.

01:08:31.000 Kids should always be protected.

01:08:32.000 This is where I disagree with a lot of the bigger kind of libertarian and anarchist ideas, especially when they say we've got to sell heroin to kids.

01:08:39.000 Obviously, that's the wrong idea.

01:08:41.000 Obviously, that's something that I stand against and I made clear many times before on this particular show.

01:08:47.000 But when it comes to these important decisions at the end of the day, I do believe and I have a lot more faith in a family, in a community, in the neighborhood, and in individuals rather than the big government that we have now that uses our tax dollars in horrible ways and hurts way more people than the larger ideologies of anarchism, which I believe at the end of the day would lead to less harm reduction.

01:09:08.000 I just wanted to say that that scenario I gave of the parents are doing it and the government doesn't intervene and the parents don't want it and the government does intervene exemplifies my point about how laws are based on amorphous morals, analog morals, like in which circumstance do we decide the government is or isn't right?

01:09:27.000 Well, and also, the interpretation of intervention here is, I think, problematic, because the government, by which, and Luke, you keep conflating these things, where you say, well, no, I don't like the government, I just like community.

01:09:40.000 Well, the government is the expression of the political community, especially in a notionally self-governing republic.

01:09:44.000 Especially now with what's happening with the elections?

01:09:46.000 Especially now with the way that they're running things?

01:09:48.000 Well, certain elections are an expression.

01:09:50.000 But we're falling apart.

01:09:51.000 Maybe not Maricopa County.

01:09:53.000 Especially now with how much debt they put us in.

01:09:56.000 The national debt is an expression of the political community making choices, absolutely.

01:10:01.000 This is how I drift more away from anarchism and libertarianism.

01:10:05.000 I recognize sometimes we want the government to intervene and sometimes we don't.

01:10:09.000 And there's no way to define it other than a judgment by a trusted person.

01:10:13.000 It seems to me the government is always intervening in the sense that we live in a society, we live in a political community.

01:10:21.000 In order to live together in a society, we come up with rules and norms and institutions to mediate the people in that society, the families and the But why can't communities do that?

01:10:32.000 Why do you need a government to do that?

01:10:33.000 That is what a government is.

01:10:35.000 It's the expression of a political community.

01:10:38.000 I think that's been highly bastardized and highly incorrect with the way the government is now.

01:10:41.000 You're talking about federal government and large government, right?

01:10:45.000 You're advocating for smaller, localized government.

01:10:48.000 I'm talking about what essentially is a mafia coming in there and saying, I will impose my will on you because I know what's best for you.

01:10:53.000 I'm against those ideas.

01:10:54.000 But when we're talking about, let's just use the term political community then, which I think is actually more

01:10:59.000 precise.

01:10:59.000 Within a political community, there is always a way that people are living and being raised.

01:11:05.000 So for instance, if the mode of education within the political community says that men and women are different

01:11:12.000 and men can't become women and women can't become men, then I guess you're not going to have these kids getting

01:11:17.000 castrated and injected with poison.

01:11:20.000 But is that the government intervening?

01:11:23.000 I just think this idea that the government is active or passive is no.

01:11:25.000 The government just is.

01:11:27.000 The political community just is.

01:11:28.000 And we're always constantly living in a state of standards and norms.

01:11:31.000 And so the question is not this procedural question is, will the government do something or not?

01:11:35.000 The question is just, what is the government doing?

01:11:39.000 So here's what I see.

01:11:40.000 We have no willingness in American society to set standards and uphold them.

01:11:48.000 There's a bifurcation politically, as we call the multicultural democracy and the constitutional republicanists.

01:11:53.000 That's basically how it's breaking down.

01:11:55.000 But this means that For the most part, Antifa goes around smashing windows.

01:11:58.000 And there is no willpower or desire to stop them.

01:12:03.000 Well, we just got an article of five of them getting arrested.

01:12:05.000 We do have this story in Georgia.

01:12:07.000 In the school councils.

01:12:08.000 I just want to make one quick point here because I just agree with one basic point here.

01:12:11.000 Were you saying the government is a representation of community?

01:12:14.000 There's been many scientific studies showing specifically that the will of the people does not impose or change the government.

01:12:19.000 is special interest in government and the powerful people that do change government

01:12:23.000 and represent government. And the government is by and large a tool of a lot of powerful people.

01:12:27.000 You're talking about one specific government versus the concept of government, different things.

01:12:31.000 But let me pull up the story real quick. Sorry, guys, but this is great.

01:12:34.000 It's okay. I mean, we're having a great time. I'm enjoying this intellect and

01:12:38.000 you're questioning my ideas. I love this. This is what's amazing.

01:12:40.000 This is big news. We got Andy Ngo reports from the Post-Millennial, domestic terror charges for five arrested at violent Antifa

01:12:47.000 autonomous zone near Atlanta.

01:12:49.000 The Georgia Bureau of Investigations has found explosive devices and gasoline at the rate.

01:12:54.000 The reason this story is newsworthy is that it actually happened for once.

01:13:01.000 You know, if the law was being upheld as it's supposed to be, we wouldn't care to talk about another bunch of extremists getting arrested.

01:13:08.000 They're supposed to get arrested.

01:13:09.000 Now we're like, wow, look at that.

01:13:10.000 They actually arrested some of them.

01:13:12.000 Here's what I see happening.

01:13:13.000 This is the point I was making just in the previous segment.

01:13:16.000 A society is typically a cohesive one.

01:13:20.000 Everybody kind of agrees on the lines you don't cross.

01:13:23.000 When someone crosses that line, everyone is aghast, and the cops are like, we're gonna go in and deal with this.

01:13:27.000 That meant obscenity laws a hundred years ago.

01:13:30.000 That meant someone could go out on the street corner and yell something nasty, and they'd be like, no, no, no, stop this, stop this, and everyone agreed, not good.

01:13:36.000 We've now gone so far in the other direction that you actually have people throwing Molotov cocktails, and in these cities, they're like, well, you know, it's their first offense, and look, we're going to lose votes if we actually prosecute these people, so let's let them all out of the prisons.

01:13:49.000 Now, there's no enforcement at all.

01:13:52.000 The American people, I mean, it's conservatives too.

01:13:55.000 I mean, conservatives aren't going to go to cities and demand this stuff.

01:13:58.000 So unless there was an actual ramification for not holding people to account, you know,

01:14:03.000 or I should say there is no ramification for not holding people to account.

01:14:07.000 So it's just not happening.

01:14:09.000 This is this is the breakdown of the political body or of government or whatever you want

01:14:12.000 to call it.

01:14:13.000 Though there there people are being held to account if for instance they prohibit their

01:14:19.000 children from being castrated.

01:14:21.000 People are being held to account if they walk into the Capitol Rotunda with a horn hat on

01:14:21.000 being held to account if they walk into the Capitol Rotunda with a horn hat on and crack

01:14:25.000 a Coors Light. People are having the book thrown at them for that sort of thing. Pro-life

01:14:25.000 and crack a Coors Light.

01:14:26.000 People are having the book thrown at them for that sort of thing.

01:14:28.000 Pro-life activists at abortion clinics.

01:14:29.000 activists at abortion clinics. Pro-life activists at abortion clinics and just even exposing crimes,

01:14:34.000 actual, not just immoral activity, which is all that takes place at abortion clinics, but

01:14:39.000 actual illegal activity. And then who's prosecuted? It's the pro-lifers. So the law is being

01:14:44.000 enforced, and more than the law is being enforced against certain people. But you look at, say, the

01:14:50.000 19th century, early 20th century, and you always hear these horror stories of the Ku Klux Klan

01:14:55.000 getting away with lynchings or terror rides or anything like that. You say, well, they just didn't

01:15:00.000 enforce the law. Yeah, right. That is an imperfect expression of how the law is enforced, and you're

01:15:06.000 seeing precisely the same sort of thing It's cultural tolerance.

01:15:10.000 Right now, our culture is completely tolerating Antifa.

01:15:13.000 Conservatives and libertarian types complain about the violence, and then nothing else happens.

01:15:18.000 There is no cost for a law enforcement division of any kind if they do not

01:15:23.000 enforce the law. There is a cost if they do enforce it. When they come out and target Antifa,

01:15:29.000 they can expect more firebombs and more violence. If they don't arrest anybody, what can

01:15:33.000 they expect? Well, there will be some firebombs and violence from these lunatics they want to 0.99

01:15:37.000 arrest, but conservatives ain't gonna do anything about it. Yeah, but you do see the law of nature 0.88

01:15:40.000 take over when they firebomb Dwayne Reid or when they go into Dwayne Reid and mob the store,

01:15:45.000 the flash mob and rob, you know, you know, $1,000 each so they can't get felonies in San

01:15:49.000 Francisco where they made it your allowed $1,000 bucks.

01:15:51.000 And then Duane Reade shuts down.

01:15:52.000 I think it's Duane Reade.

01:15:53.000 If it's not Duane Reade, I apologize.

01:15:55.000 I think it was Duane Reade.

01:15:55.000 There's also, I think, Target.

01:15:57.000 So you see the market is reacting to unchecked violence.

01:16:01.000 Maybe it's not even the culture, it's the market itself, but that's part of the culture.

01:16:05.000 The mayor.

01:16:05.000 It's like a law of nature.

01:16:07.000 The mayor, the chief of police, the sheriffs, they suffer no consequence.

01:16:12.000 No immediate consequence.

01:16:13.000 It's a long-term thing where your city starts to fall apart because business is shut down.

01:16:16.000 The individual suffers no consequence at all.

01:16:19.000 Well, only that your environment begins to degrade slowly.

01:16:21.000 So what?

01:16:21.000 They can move.

01:16:23.000 So these cops who live in San Francisco, they're resigning, they're moving.

01:16:28.000 And then it gets worse and worse and worse, and that is an issue of an individualized society.

01:16:35.000 When everyone just says, it's about me and my life, that's what happens.

01:16:39.000 When people put responsibility to the community slightly above themselves, you get someone going out being like, I gotta stop this because old man Jenkins down the street needs this Dwayne Reefer's medication.

01:16:50.000 I can't let someone do this to the community.

01:16:51.000 No, why did this happen?

01:16:52.000 Let's break this problem down, because I think it's fair to say that George Soros invested a lot when it came to appointing district attorneys and attorney generals all throughout the United States.

01:17:02.000 You guys agree with that, right?

01:17:03.000 120 million.

01:17:03.000 Zero Republicans.

01:17:05.000 He again bought government to impose his will on what he thought was right, and his will is punishing right-wingers, but letting Antifa go.

01:17:13.000 Well, for the most part, it's the non-enforcement.

01:17:17.000 George Soros wrote an op-ed about how he wanted DAs who were not going to go after people and were going to give them lighter sentences.

01:17:23.000 That's an inversion.

01:17:24.000 I'm not advocating for harsh authoritarianism, so I actually think cash bail is a problem, but I don't know if we have the solution other than to expand, build more courts, hire more judges.

01:17:34.000 But George Soros basically said, I want people who are in the DA's office who won't prosecute crimes.

01:17:40.000 Well, you got it, and now it's getting worse.

01:17:41.000 Exactly.

01:17:42.000 But that's not using the government to do it, that's stripping the government of its ability to stop these people.

01:17:46.000 No, no, no, no, no, because when the government sees a right-winger, when the government sees a political crime, when the government sees a way to punish someone for their political ideas, they do it.

01:17:54.000 That's the government they're after.

01:17:56.000 But when it comes to specifically, when it comes to specifically, you made a point I'm gonna address your point, Luke.

01:18:02.000 You made one point, let me address it.

01:18:03.000 If there's a left-wing and right-wing activist, and they both riot, they should both be arrested.

01:18:08.000 What's happened now is, half is being enforced, and politically biased, only one side is being let go.

01:18:14.000 This is the government not enforcing half of it.

01:18:18.000 And actually, and upscaling against the right.

01:18:22.000 And by the way, not to be too harsh, you know, on the libertarian effect on the conservative movement, but a lot of the reason why the libs have become so good, specifically over the last 60 years, at wielding the government in a way that it was not very good actually at before.

01:18:38.000 You saw, you know, you saw the beginnings of it with Woodrow Wilson and FDR, but you still had a lot of conservative political power within the government.

01:18:45.000 A lot of the reason why we're not good at it anymore is because the libertarians convinced

01:18:49.000 the conservatives that wielding political power per se is wrong and immoral.

01:18:54.000 And by doing that, we conceded the entire political field and had the libs run all of

01:18:58.000 the institutions.

01:18:59.000 Conservatives and Republicans being weak has nothing to do with libertarians.

01:19:02.000 They decided that for themselves.

01:19:03.000 No, they capitulated power.

01:19:05.000 They're the ones that went along with a lot of the this nonsense.

01:19:08.000 They're the ones that are literally just the Democrats of 10 years ago.

01:19:10.000 Let's be honest.

01:19:11.000 They're implementing the same policies.

01:19:13.000 And if there ever is a political party that hasn't been working for the American people

01:19:17.000 that actually screwed them over and gave them failed promises, you're right.

01:19:21.000 What's your opinion on redefining marriage?

01:19:23.000 The Obergefell case, and now the law that was passed yesterday, the quote-unquote Respect for Marriage Act, radically redefines a fundamental political institution.

01:19:30.000 I think it's a PR stunt in order to try to galvanize the base.

01:19:34.000 Do you support gay marriage?

01:19:36.000 I haven't even read the bill.

01:19:38.000 I don't think you need permission to marry someone to get a license from the government.

01:19:44.000 Well, you always have throughout all of human history, so how come now it's different?

01:19:47.000 No, no, no, not always.

01:19:48.000 People made bonds and specific contracts with each other without government sometimes as well.

01:19:53.000 No, that's not true.

01:19:53.000 Marriage has always had a tie either to the state or to the religion, which was usually established and had a tie to the state.

01:19:59.000 I'll make a single point.

01:20:00.000 Sometimes religion is more powerful than this thing.

01:20:04.000 But they're always tied together.

01:20:05.000 And I'll address specifically, pre-marriage, pre-no-fault divorce, was a contract that you could not just break.

01:20:13.000 If you entered into a contract with someone, you had a duty and responsibility, and if you wanted to break it, you had to prove to a court that was just reason to do so.

01:20:21.000 So a marriage meant something.

01:20:23.000 The reason you had the government involved wasn't because they gave you permission, it was because you were saying to another person, I give my life to you, I expect your life in return.

01:20:31.000 And it's a public act.

01:20:32.000 And it's a public act, and if that person then decided I'm not going to give you equal, like you're giving me your life, I'm not giving you

01:20:40.000 back.

01:20:40.000 You would have, your honor, courts, I need this enforced.

01:20:44.000 And they would say, marriage counseling, some kind of relationship counseling.

01:20:48.000 Then no fault divorce came in, and now we're at the, we're in the period where

01:20:52.000 marriage is basically a date. You're dating someone.

01:20:54.000 Something happened.

01:20:55.000 Because there's no enforcement anymore.

01:20:56.000 Totally.

01:20:56.000 In the 40s, which I think is interesting, the reason why libertarianism is so popular right now is because in the 40s, America became a militant, authoritarian country.

01:21:04.000 It used to be a liberal republic, and then in 1949, when they created the liberal economic order, they became a military government.

01:21:11.000 And they did it in secret.

01:21:12.000 They didn't want people to know.

01:21:13.000 Kennedy tried to out them.

01:21:14.000 Whoever, someone killed them.

01:21:17.000 Who is they?

01:21:19.000 For 70 years we've been in a military government.

01:21:22.000 It's like, if you ever played Civilization, they had a revolution of government from liberty.

01:21:26.000 Deep state.

01:21:28.000 So what's happening is the anarchists are pushing back, but if you push back too hard, the pendulum goes extreme.

01:21:33.000 You don't want extreme.

01:21:35.000 That's what statists do.

01:21:36.000 Left and right, left and right, back and forth, more government, more government, more government.

01:21:39.000 Listen, I grew up in Poland when there was still communism there, right?

01:21:42.000 The Polish people are adverse to communists and to fascists, to extreme left and extreme right.

01:21:47.000 This is essentially the larger ideas that are quantified in anarchism, in my opinion, because they push back a lot of this nonsense that feeds each other and builds on top of each other.

01:21:55.000 And in Poland specifically, when it came to things like marriage, right? 0.98

01:21:58.000 If someone would be divorced, if someone would not take care of their child after birthing a child, they would be looked upon as a scumbag. 0.94

01:22:06.000 There would be social pressures on that individual for being Poland's a very Catholic country. 0.75

01:22:11.000 Well, during communism, and during when the Soviet Union had control of Poland, it wasn't mainly the state that was enforcing a lot of these morals, it was the church that had a larger impact on that.

01:22:24.000 Well, the church was suppressing communism.

01:22:26.000 And the church was fighting the state.

01:22:28.000 But my point here is, when I hear from our libertarian friends that the conservatives are actually the ones who were the Democrats from ten years ago, Is it not true?

01:22:39.000 No, it's not true.

01:22:40.000 The Libertarians are the ones who are pushing gay marriage, a view so left-wing that Barack Obama didn't even agree with it in 2011.

01:22:46.000 They're the ones pushing drugs. 1.00

01:22:47.000 They're the ones pushing open borders.

01:22:48.000 They're the ones pushing all of the breakdown of the family.

01:22:51.000 Some are, but I'm not.

01:22:53.000 Those are issues that I had very strong stances against.

01:22:56.000 I think you unwittingly are pushing those things, but I don't think you intend to push those things.

01:23:00.000 I disagree, because I addressed those problems.

01:23:02.000 Specifically, what was the three that you brought up?

01:23:05.000 The reason I bring it up is, if you ask Real conservatives, the real traddies around today, what's your view on marriage?

01:23:11.000 They're going to give you the view of marriage that was held from the beginning of human history until 2015.

01:23:15.000 If you ask their views on drug laws, or on punishing criminals, or on immigration enforcement, or any of these things, you're going to get the conservative point of view.

01:23:24.000 And it's going to be the libertarians and the liberals who agree on all of those issues in a very, very radical way.

01:23:31.000 I disagree.

01:23:31.000 I think the ideology is directly opposed to each other.

01:23:34.000 Liberals want more government.

01:23:35.000 Libertarians want less government.

01:23:37.000 But the end result is the same, is what I'm saying.

01:23:41.000 Not when the liberals use big government in order to impose their will on people, right?

01:23:44.000 But when the libertarians use this fantastical utopian aversion to government to break down the social order and to break everyone down into individuals who are much more easily collectivized, which is what has happened.

01:23:57.000 You said brilliant, I don't know where you got this idea, that the base unit of society is a duality.

01:24:04.000 It's a communication between two or more people, a family unit.

01:24:08.000 One individual born in the woods with no humans is not a human.

01:24:11.000 I mean, technically they're a human.

01:24:12.000 They're not a person.

01:24:13.000 They're not a society.

01:24:15.000 They don't understand language.

01:24:16.000 They don't understand concepts of humanity.

01:24:18.000 They don't understand they're a wild animal if they're born in the woods.

01:24:21.000 Right. Alone. And so you need that second person. And I think to think of society as the duality,

01:24:27.000 we cannot function without the duality, because that's what...

01:24:29.000 No. Like the Matrix 4.

01:24:31.000 It keeps you sane, it keeps you humble.

01:24:33.000 It's the man and the woman. I thought that was really funny, the Matrix. You've seen the

01:24:36.000 fourth Matrix one they made? I didn't know they went up to four. I think

01:24:39.000 I've only seen through three. I think it's funny, because a lot of people

01:24:42.000 said it was going to be like Woke or whatever, but the plot of the Matrix is literally that you

01:24:47.000 need a matriarch and a patriarch together to stabilize reality. 1.00

01:24:50.000 And in a libertarian society, not only will two people keep each other sane and rational, but in a totalitarian society, two people will keep each other from falling victim to the state.

01:25:00.000 We have to move on to at least one more story because there's no way I can let this one go.

01:25:03.000 So I got a hard segue to Rolling Stone.

01:25:06.000 Trump's major announcement was a scammy superhero-themed NFT collection.

01:25:11.000 For $99, you can now own a digitally generated image of the former president cosplaying as an astronaut, fighter pilot, sheriff, or red carpet celebrity.

01:25:20.000 I think it's hilarious.

01:25:21.000 His video release was really funny.

01:25:24.000 He goes, hopefully, I'm your favorite president, greater than Lincoln, greater than Washington, and if you buy an NFT, you enter into a sweepstakes for a chance to win a bunch of great prizes like dinner with me, I don't know if it's a great prize, but maybe.

01:25:39.000 But it's what we got.

01:25:40.000 But I think it was funny that he's like, I'm better than Lincoln in Washington and eating dinner with me might not be a good prize.

01:25:46.000 So, so look, he's a funny guy.

01:25:48.000 I think what was cringe about this was that people thought he was going to endorse someone for RNC chair.

01:25:53.000 He was going to announce a VP.

01:25:54.000 He was going to put forth a major policy proposal, but instead he's selling NFTs right around the time FTX collapses.

01:26:01.000 And what, six months after NFTs became worthless?

01:26:04.000 Yeah.

01:26:05.000 Yeah, sorry, dude.

01:26:05.000 How many did you buy?

01:26:07.000 Oh, seven.

01:26:08.000 No, I bought none.

01:26:09.000 I'm not going to buy any.

01:26:10.000 I'm trying so hard, because I still really like the guy.

01:26:12.000 Best president of my lifetime.

01:26:13.000 But I'm trying really hard to spin it in my head.

01:26:16.000 I'm like, how can I convince myself this was a good announcement?

01:26:18.000 And I can't do it, you know? 0.89

01:26:21.000 But the thing that his announcement did demonstrate is something that I have said to Trump's critics for years, which is they say, he's an egomaniac narcissist.

01:26:30.000 And I say, yeah, you know, he has his name on buildings.

01:26:32.000 But he has a kind of humility.

01:26:34.000 Like, for instance, he had this comment when he was president.

01:26:37.000 He said, someone accused him of drinking a beer.

01:26:41.000 He said, I've never drunk a beer, okay?

01:26:43.000 I'm probably the only president who can say, I've never drunk a beer.

01:26:45.000 It's the only good thing you can say about me.

01:26:47.000 And it was an expression of humility.

01:26:49.000 It was a self-effacing thing.

01:26:51.000 As he is saying here, you know, when he boasts about everything, he's talking like a New Yorker, but he's usually joking.

01:26:57.000 I just, I laughed so hard when he was like, maybe it's not a good prize, I don't know.

01:27:01.000 I'm like, that was masterfully done.

01:27:03.000 He's really good at that kind of stuff.

01:27:05.000 Yeah.

01:27:05.000 I mean, he's getting a lot of pushback, especially from a lot of his supporters today.

01:27:08.000 Oh, I agree.

01:27:08.000 He did tweet, America needs a superhero!

01:27:11.000 Big announcement tomorrow!

01:27:13.000 Here's my Pokemon cards!

01:27:14.000 Buy them!

01:27:15.000 And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.

01:27:17.000 And, uh... Look at this, look at this.

01:27:18.000 Oh yeah, this is a good video.

01:27:20.000 Look it, look it, he's shooting laser infomercial.

01:27:25.000 Hello everyone, this is Donald Trump, hopefully your favorite president of all time, better than Lincoln, better than Washington, with an important announcement to make.

01:27:34.000 I'm doing my first official Donald J. Trump NFT collection right here and right now.

01:27:40.000 They're called Trump Digital Trading Cards.

01:27:43.000 These cards feature some of the really incredible artwork pertaining to my life and my career.

01:27:48.000 It's like an astronaut.

01:27:49.000 It's very exciting.

01:27:50.000 You can collect your Trump digital cards just like a baseball card or other collectibles.

01:27:56.000 Here's one of the best parts.

01:27:58.000 Each card comes with an automatic chance to win amazing prizes like dinner with me.

01:28:04.000 I don't know if that's an amazing prize.

01:28:06.000 That's what we have.

01:28:07.000 or golf with you and your friends at one of my beautiful golf courses.

01:28:12.000 Yeah, the prizes actually are great. Like, having a cocktail party with your friends at Mar-a-Lago,

01:28:17.000 it's not a bad prize. I mean, that sounds really fun.

01:28:19.000 Dinner with Trump would be extremely interesting, even if you don't like the guy. And playing

01:28:23.000 golf with him, that sounds fun.

01:28:25.000 Yeah, but a hundred dollar gambling chip to find hope you win a chance to hang out.

01:28:29.000 It's like, not in this economy, not for Christmas.

01:28:32.000 I think the whole thing was a mistake.

01:28:33.000 They should be 99 cents each and he could sell 100 million of them or 10 million or 50 million.

01:28:37.000 Why do you gotta do bump stock Donnie like that, Tim?

01:28:41.000 I thought you liked him.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, why you gotta do him like that?

01:28:45.000 I like the Abraham Accords. 0.92

01:28:46.000 I like trying to negotiate peace with North Korea. 0.98

01:28:48.000 I like setting timelines for withdrawal from the Middle East. 1.00

01:28:50.000 I don't like him for a whole lot of reasons.

01:28:52.000 There's a tweet going around right now, allegedly from Baked Alaska, saying quote, I can't believe I'm going to jail for an NFT salesman.

01:29:02.000 This does bring some interesting comments to where Trump's attention is.

01:29:05.000 He's not on Twitter.

01:29:07.000 He's not in the national discourse.

01:29:08.000 He's not making, you know, a lot of strong stances on a lot of the important things happening right now.

01:29:14.000 He's selling $99 NFTs.

01:29:15.000 Now, here's the problem.

01:29:17.000 Almost immediately right after we have this story.

01:29:20.000 Shatter the left-wing censorship regime.

01:29:22.000 Trump announces 2024 free speech policy.

01:29:25.000 Quote, a sinister group of deep state bureaucrats, Silicon Valley tyrants and activists and depraved corporate news media have been conspiring to manipulate and silence the American people.

01:29:35.000 This was a very somber and serious statement that came out like right around the time as this NFT announcement.

01:29:42.000 This should have been the major announcement.

01:29:44.000 Of course.

01:29:44.000 And people have been like, wow, Trump's getting serious.

01:29:46.000 Well, what's the announcement?

01:29:47.000 He's promising he's going to do something when he becomes president of the United States?

01:29:51.000 That doesn't really change it.

01:29:52.000 It's a politician making promises.

01:29:53.000 It doesn't really change anything.

01:29:54.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

01:29:55.000 But the point is, Donald Trump has an announcement to make.

01:29:58.000 And at the very least, it would have been of political nature, not selling NFTs.

01:30:02.000 You know, I'm all for the Fun, frivolity, silliness.

01:30:06.000 I mean, I like that, but it has to, that has to be the cherry on top of the sundae of really doing something and talking about issues that people care about.

01:30:15.000 I mean, to your point, Luke, he's not in office right now, so he can't really do anything.

01:30:18.000 And he's not even on Twitter, so he can't talk that much.

01:30:20.000 But I just, I look and I think, in Trump 2015, When also he was just talking, right, he was just a candidate.

01:30:26.000 But Trump 2015, he comes down that escalator, he says what no other Republican will say, which is that this immigration thing is horrible and they're sending rapists and drug dealers across and we gotta do something.

01:30:36.000 When he said, you remember Hillary Clinton's slogan was, I'm with her.

01:30:40.000 And Trump said, that's a BS slogan.

01:30:42.000 I'm with you.

01:30:43.000 He switched the subject and he said, I'm with you.

01:30:46.000 And you really felt like this guy's talking about things that actually matter to me.

01:30:49.000 NAFTA.

01:30:50.000 When was the last Republican to challenge NAFTA ever?

01:30:52.000 You know, Buchanan, I guess.

01:30:54.000 And now all we're seeing is the frivolity.

01:30:58.000 All we're seeing is the tee hee hee.

01:31:00.000 You know, I just think, OK, it's funny.

01:31:02.000 Come on, give me something.

01:31:03.000 He, in the statement, he said, within hours of my inauguration, I will sign an executive order banning any federal department or agency from colluding with any organization, business, or person to censor, limit, categorize, or impede the lawful speech of American citizens.

01:31:16.000 I will then ban federal money from being used to label domestic speech mis- or disinformation.

01:31:21.000 I'll begin the process of identifying and firing every federal bureaucrat who is engaged in domestic censorship, directly or indirectly, etc., etc.

01:31:29.000 It's topical.

01:31:30.000 It's playing to what's going on with Elon and Twitter.

01:31:33.000 If this was his major announcement it would have played very well.

01:31:35.000 If he came out and said what we have recently discovered in several lawsuits as well as leaked information from big social networks that the government had been colluding, As president, I will end this.

01:31:47.000 People would be like, wow, you know what?

01:31:49.000 Elon Musk Twitter files just came out.

01:31:51.000 Then Donald Trump says, I'm paying attention.

01:31:54.000 I know what is worrying you and I will address it.

01:31:57.000 Would have been big.

01:31:58.000 It is big in a sense.

01:31:59.000 It's just being overshadowed by his weird late night infomercial, you know, NFT thing.

01:32:04.000 It could be.

01:32:05.000 He released the NFTs, and then the management's like, oh my god, this is backfiring.

01:32:08.000 This is not selling.

01:32:09.000 Quick, make a statement.

01:32:10.000 Make a statement.

01:32:10.000 What are you going to do as president?

01:32:12.000 I'm going to do this.

01:32:12.000 I promise this.

01:32:13.000 Politicians make promises all the time.

01:32:15.000 They rarely ever keep them, especially if they're campaigning.

01:32:17.000 How do you know a politician's lying?

01:32:19.000 They're campaigning.

01:32:20.000 That's when you know they're lying.

01:32:21.000 Their mouth is moving.

01:32:22.000 No, he kept more than most politicians.

01:32:25.000 He didn't keep all of it, not even close, but he kept a lot.

01:32:27.000 But previously, before he became President of the United States, he promised to audit the Federal Reserve.

01:32:31.000 He promised to investigate 9-11.

01:32:33.000 He promised to look into Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11.

01:32:37.000 I mean, he was talking about a lot of big things.

01:32:39.000 Again, didn't really kind of address them when he was President, but people don't want to hear this.

01:32:43.000 People want to hear, how is he going to win Pennsylvania?

01:32:46.000 How is he going to win Arizona?

01:32:47.000 Because right now, there's no political roadmap for him winning.

01:32:50.000 How?

01:32:51.000 Why?

01:32:51.000 He'd have to talk about graphene.

01:32:52.000 The only way...

01:32:54.000 No, I'm talking about ballot harvesting.

01:32:56.000 I'm talking about mail-in ballots.

01:32:57.000 Hold on there a minute.

01:33:00.000 I think Ian's on to something.

01:33:02.000 If Donald Trump comes out and says, we don't need your vote, as long as we advocate graphene, we're going to get every vote anyway.

01:33:07.000 We're building the greatest industrial nation on earth.

01:33:10.000 We're going to lead the 21st century with the new material, metamaterials, and scientists all around them.

01:33:15.000 No, hold on, hold on.

01:33:16.000 You know, look at our smug faces here.

01:33:18.000 We're all laughing.

01:33:19.000 But there is a version of reality where Donald Trump says, forget the politicking, forget the gamesmanship, forget the ballot harvesting.

01:33:27.000 He walks out and says, graphene is a wonder material that will change everything and bring jobs back.

01:33:33.000 And everyone just goes, He's right!

01:33:35.000 100 million votes, landslide- We're gonna build a space elevator, we're gonna lead the world in space exploration, like we need him telling us what he wants to create for the species if he has any chance of winning.

01:33:46.000 So Graphene's a metaphor.

01:33:48.000 He needs to talk about his plans to build and help America and to call out those who seek its destruction like he was doing in 2016.

01:33:55.000 Graphene's literal.

01:33:57.000 We're gonna make space elevator tethers out of it.

01:33:59.000 I think what you're really saying, Ian, no, that is not what I meant.

01:34:01.000 But you're right, he needs a message about industry, some sort of industry.

01:34:05.000 That's what we need right now is industry.

01:34:06.000 We don't need who's better, we don't need to see who's got the longer, you know, member.

01:34:11.000 The longer graphene.

01:34:13.000 The longer tether.

01:34:14.000 I'm not going to defend the NFT thing.

01:34:16.000 There are people who are coming out saying it was a troll.

01:34:18.000 I'm like, dude, get out of here.

01:34:19.000 The dude's selling you stuff.

01:34:21.000 I really want To vote for Donald Trump.

01:34:23.000 I want there to be a reason to do so.

01:34:25.000 I want to see his narrative arc completed.

01:34:27.000 But it does feel to me that he's finding a way to bow out.

01:34:30.000 That's it.

01:34:31.000 Yeah, someone mentioned this is like a retirement.

01:34:34.000 I said, homie's retiring. 0.99

01:34:36.000 In 2016, he's like, you know, effectively calling Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig. 0.97

01:34:40.000 He's calling out the machine. 0.99

01:34:42.000 He's mocking them openly to their faces.

01:34:44.000 Michael Moore says he was a human Molotov cocktail.

01:34:47.000 It was revenge for all of the establishment games, selling jobs, selling factories, outsourcing and gutting this country.

01:34:53.000 2020.

01:34:54.000 I see what he did after he got elected.

01:34:57.000 I don't want to vote for that guy.

01:34:58.000 But then I'm like, the economy is doing really well pre-COVID.

01:35:01.000 He's Abraham Accords. 0.57

01:35:02.000 He's got a bunch of peace deals.

01:35:03.000 He's actively trying to work on peace in the Middle East and in North Korea.

01:35:06.000 And I'm like, Okay, school choice was a big thing, banning... Bump stocks?

01:35:11.000 No, just kidding.

01:35:12.000 No, that was bad.

01:35:12.000 But banning the woke stuff from government contracting, I'm like, not perfect, the bump stock ban was very bad, his statements on it were very bad, but I said the peace in the Middle East stuff that he's working on, not perfect, I get it, I will take it, especially over Joe Biden, so I voted for him.

01:35:25.000 Now, all he's doing is talking about 2020, he's tweeting about it, he's truthing about it nonstop, selling NFTs, and we get only tiny morsels of some kind of policy position, so I'm just like, dude, You had me with the 2020 campaign.

01:35:39.000 I can now see what in 2016 worked. 0.94

01:35:42.000 Why is it that now, as we enter 2024, he's giving us his garbage?

01:35:45.000 Hey, no, no, he's also telling us to get vaccinated.

01:35:47.000 So remember to do that, folks.

01:35:49.000 Well, this is, you know, Ron DeSantis is what I know that some people don't like Ron DeSantis, or they used to like Ron DeSantis, but now they don't like Ron DeSantis because Trump is running.

01:35:58.000 And whatever you think about the guy, He is one of the most masterful politicians of our lifetime, and he has found this one issue in particular where he can outflank Trump to the right, and that's on the vaccines.

01:36:09.000 And choosing to impanel that grand jury, and choosing to investigate the mRNA vax, I mean, it was an absolute stroke of genius, and I don't know how Trump answers that.

01:36:19.000 He can't.

01:36:20.000 Yeah, we didn't talk about that.

01:36:20.000 Especially when it came to lockdowns, when it came to COVID, and when it came to Operation Warp Speed, he can't.

01:36:24.000 So DeSantis just had a panel with Joe Latipo, his Secretary Well, there are like five or six things that DeSantis is proposing right now.

01:36:31.000 Surgeon General. And what was it exactly? Can you explain the panel that they had? Because I saw

01:36:35.000 10, 20 seconds of it. So, well, there are like five or six things that DeSantis is proposing

01:36:42.000 right now. The most important one, though, is actually impaneling a grand jury to investigate

01:36:47.000 and potentially prosecute the people who lied about these vaccines from industry to public

01:36:54.000 And so that's a big deal because you need teeth.

01:36:57.000 I mean, as we're all kind of talking about, it's one thing to make a promise on a campaign trail or to send a tweet.

01:37:03.000 But if you're actually holding people to account for deception and fraud and crimes, Those are the kind of results that people want.

01:37:12.000 And so, look, I don't blame Trump entirely for COVID.

01:37:15.000 I don't think any politician in his shoes would have handled it all that much better at the national level.

01:37:19.000 But who knows?

01:37:20.000 It's a counterfactual.

01:37:21.000 Sweden did pretty good.

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01:37:44.000 But let's read your Super Chats.

01:37:46.000 Aero says, please talk about ectolife's artificial womb facility.

01:37:50.000 I'm not familiar.

01:37:51.000 Oh my gosh, I saw a video on that.

01:37:52.000 Yeah, I played that video in the beginning of one of my reports.

01:37:56.000 It's not a real video.

01:37:57.000 Yeah, it is a fake.

01:37:58.000 It's a fake video of what is essentially a plan for the Matrix, but the Matrix in, you know, people being forced to make genetically engineered babies.

01:38:07.000 It was like a warehouse of, like, incubators, basically.

01:38:09.000 Yeah, but it's all graphics.

01:38:10.000 It's all fake.

01:38:11.000 It's not real.

01:38:11.000 But that's a concept that they're trying to make into a real idea.

01:38:15.000 Grofty says, my throat hurts from laughing, but thank you for the super chats.

01:38:20.000 Well, what do we got?

01:38:21.000 Clint Torres says, Tim, I think you have an interesting perspective regarding the death penalty.

01:38:24.000 I also think Michael has an equally interesting, yet different perspective that I think is worth talking about.

01:38:30.000 I oppose the death penalty, mostly because in order for it to happen, you need people, I'll use the worst example possible, Kamala Harris. 0.95

01:38:38.000 Comes to me and says, trust me, Tim, this guy should die.

01:38:41.000 I'll be like, no way, dude.

01:38:43.000 You know, if there's a circumstance where I know definitively that someone is an active threat, then I believe the use of force, which ultimately- Including capital punishment.

01:38:54.000 Uh, capital punishment is still hard for me, but I suppose there is a circumstance where if you could, if you could, if it was proven to me definitively as a, like, absolute, this person will be a threat to society unless he is, he is dead, then I would be, okay, I get it.

01:39:10.000 So you, you, but you, you think that the death penalty is only justified to protect the society?

01:39:15.000 To stop someone from causing harm and destroying.

01:39:19.000 But you don't think it would be justified for retribution?

01:39:22.000 No.

01:39:22.000 I don't believe in retribution.

01:39:24.000 Really?

01:39:24.000 Well, I shouldn't say it that way, because in certain circumstances, I would.

01:39:28.000 I want to be absolute.

01:39:29.000 I think that if you subdue the threat, the only real question beyond that point is, should we extend our labor and resources to providing for someone who has effectively forfeited their right to society? 0.95

01:39:41.000 What if you kill them, though?

01:39:42.000 Then you're not providing for them. 0.97

01:39:43.000 And the challenge I have there is, In a perfect system, like, I just, I don't like the idea of killing something that's not a threat.

01:39:50.000 I'd rather put them on a boat and kick them out, but then the problem is they're still a threat.

01:39:53.000 You know what I mean? 0.87

01:39:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:55.000 Exile doesn't work.

01:39:56.000 So, ultimately, in a realistic scenario, my issue with the death penalty is there's no government authority that I will trust that someone deserves to die.

01:40:04.000 What about deepfakes?

01:40:06.000 They're gonna show you video of someone getting killed, and they'll be like, you saw it, see?

01:40:09.000 I guess the reason I keep trying to hone in on this is, if you oppose the death penalty because you don't trust the government, that's one thing.

01:40:17.000 But if you oppose the death penalty even if you knew the guy did it, you know, for the purposes of retribution, that's different.

01:40:22.000 Because there are three purposes of criminal justice.

01:40:26.000 Deterrence, rehabilitation, and retribution.

01:40:30.000 And we only ever talk about those first two now.

01:40:32.000 Right.

01:40:32.000 And so it's deterrence, well, you know, you've got, well, and what's funny is the opponents of the death penalty always downplay deterrence.

01:40:38.000 They say it doesn't actually deter people, which is controversial, but also we don't really enforce the death penalty anymore, so it's like, of course it's not deterring people, we don't actually enforce it.

01:40:48.000 But then rehabilitation is one everyone focuses on.

01:40:51.000 They say that the only reason to punish people is to rehabilitate them, bring them back into society.

01:40:56.000 Obviously, the death penalty doesn't do that, though I think it actually does.

01:40:59.000 I think Dr. Johnson is right when he says, depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he's to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.

01:41:05.000 I think it could rehabilitate a man a lot better than maybe 30 years in prison.

01:41:09.000 But furthermore, The primary purpose of the criminal justice system, up to and including capital punishment, but the whole thing, it seems to me, is retribution.

01:41:19.000 It's to punish people for committing crimes.

01:41:23.000 My philosophy is rehabilitation should be number one.

01:41:27.000 But if we say that the primary purpose of jails is rehabilitation, then we could all be sent to jails today.

01:41:35.000 I mean, we could all use a little bit of rehabilitation.

01:41:37.000 The reason we're not is because we didn't commit any crimes.

01:41:40.000 No, but of course, like, I don't mean that.

01:41:41.000 I'm saying if someone breaks the law, we want to say, okay, we want to eliminate the threat you pose to society and work towards no longer having you be a threat to society.

01:41:50.000 But you don't, yeah, you don't, you don't think, though, that, though deterrence and rehabilitation are good secondary effects of punishment, Do you not think that, given... I think we would all agree, the purpose of the jails and the prisons is to punish people for committing crimes.

01:42:07.000 So the purpose is retribution, even if you think, well I don't really care that much.

01:42:11.000 Well no, I think it is, but I disagree with that.

01:42:13.000 I think it's caused problems for us.

01:42:15.000 What problems do you think?

01:42:17.000 We end up with massive criminal populations that just harden each other.

01:42:21.000 You end up with low-tier criminals who go in and become worse criminals than get out, and they extend their life of crime perpetually.

01:42:28.000 And so my issue is, like, how do we actually just stop all of it?

01:42:31.000 How do we stop the recidivism?

01:42:33.000 If we're telling someone, you did wrong, pay the price.

01:42:35.000 They go, okay, you know, I'll be out in a year.

01:42:37.000 And then they go right back to doing exactly what they were doing.

01:42:40.000 So we should put a heavier focus on Okay, how do we make you not do that? 1.00

01:42:44.000 Now, there's some stupid answers, like, let's pay criminals not to commit crimes. 1.00

01:42:46.000 I'm like, no, that's dumb. 1.00

01:42:47.000 Someone will commit a crime on purpose just to get the benefits. 0.97

01:42:49.000 But I think we agree on this.

01:42:50.000 We agree that you should rehabilitate criminals when you can, and once they've paid their debt to society, they get out, and hopefully we can reintegrate them into society.

01:42:57.000 I just... It's retributions and emotional satisfaction that we pay money for.

01:43:01.000 No, I think it's justice.

01:43:02.000 I mean, I think it's giving people what they deserve.

01:43:04.000 And so with retribution, you know, a lot of people say that this is an attack on human dignity, especially when it comes to capital punishment.

01:43:11.000 They say, we believe in human dignity and so therefore we can't have it.

01:43:14.000 But, you know, what it comes from is the book of Genesis.

01:43:16.000 Whosoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed, because man is made in the image and likeness of God. 0.89

01:43:22.000 So it's actually because we take human dignity seriously, that's why we believe that if you harm people, and especially if you kill people, Then we're going to kill you right back.

01:43:31.000 Do you think that sadism has a place in Christianity? 0.89

01:43:35.000 No.

01:43:35.000 I've got to read more Super Chats.

01:43:37.000 It's a very big conversation.

01:43:39.000 Finding joy in the pain of others is kind of like what I see of Israel.

01:43:43.000 Let's get some more Super Chats in.

01:43:44.000 Sorry, I don't need them.

01:43:45.000 It's a good question.

01:43:45.000 I have thoughts on it, but we'll get to it.

01:43:47.000 All right.

01:43:47.000 Kalishnikov says, People claiming that Trump's NFT scam is trolling is the saddest cope I've seen from the right.

01:43:53.000 There are a thousand ways to raise money from passionate, unrepresented people and an NFT scam ain't it?

01:44:00.000 I wouldn't call it a scam.

01:44:02.000 It's a commercial product.

01:44:03.000 Trump's found a way to make art that people might want, and I think people can buy it if they want to.

01:44:10.000 I would encourage people to buy it if they like the pictures.

01:44:12.000 I think some of the pictures are funny.

01:44:14.000 I think the prices are great.

01:44:15.000 I think what's cringe about it is that Trump said, we need a superhero, and I've got a major announcement, but it was just him selling a product.

01:44:22.000 Did he declare for president yet?

01:44:24.000 Yes.

01:44:24.000 Okay, so this is campaign financing?

01:44:27.000 Presumably.

01:44:27.000 I actually don't know.

01:44:29.000 You guys don't right-click those photos now.

01:44:31.000 Don't do it.

01:44:32.000 That's bad.

01:44:33.000 Jeremiah says someone made Michael Knowles, I identify as correct, into a YouTube short.

01:44:38.000 It's one of the funniest shorts I've ever seen.

01:44:40.000 I saw that interview.

01:44:42.000 Tell us about it.

01:44:44.000 So it refers to... I had this gal on, Bronte Remzig, who's a pro-abortion med student. 0.97

01:44:49.000 Saw that.

01:44:49.000 Did you see that?

01:44:50.000 So we had this two and a half hour conversation and it veered off at one point Because, you know, when she was talking about abortion, she even kind of admitted by the end.

01:45:00.000 She said, yeah, okay, we should ban late-term abortion. 1.00

01:45:02.000 She seemed to come over more to the pro-life side than she already was.

01:45:05.000 But what held her up was the trans thing. 0.99

01:45:08.000 Because she said, Michael, when we're talking about pregnant people, I said, you mean mothers?

01:45:14.000 She goes, well, if you want to say that, they're not all mothers.

01:45:17.000 I said, well, which ones aren't mothers? 1.00

01:45:20.000 And she got really hung up on it.

01:45:22.000 And so I said, okay, Bronte, you believe that we need to affirm everyone's self-identity.

01:45:27.000 I identify as correct, and more correct than you, so do you affirm that?

01:45:31.000 Well, that's a good point.

01:45:34.000 Well, I do identify as a medical expert.

01:45:35.000 Well, I do identify as a hippopotamus.

01:45:36.000 But it's like, no you don't.

01:45:37.000 We all know you don't.

01:45:38.000 a line that sort of came to me, but it is the answer to this question because a lot

01:45:43.000 of times what conservatives will do is they'll say, well I do identify as a medical expert,

01:45:48.000 well I do identify as a hippopotamus, but it's like no you don't, we all know you don't,

01:45:51.000 you're being dishonest. 0.91

01:45:52.000 But I actually do identify as correct.

01:45:55.000 That is my self-identity.

01:45:56.000 No, no, no.

01:45:57.000 I'll put it this way.

01:45:58.000 You say that a child says, I feel this way, and they should be affirmed, right?

01:46:05.000 Could that child be wrong?

01:46:06.000 Right.

01:46:07.000 Well, the child knows what's best for them, so you're going to affirm what they view as correct.

01:46:11.000 Okay.

01:46:12.000 I feel that I'm correct about this issue.

01:46:14.000 Will you state for the record that you affirm me in being correct for this issue?

01:46:19.000 You're not a doctor.

01:46:20.000 That's basically what they'd say, right?

01:46:21.000 They'd immediately ditch their premise about self-identity.

01:46:25.000 You could counter with, the child is talking about their personal experience in their life that no one else can answer for.

01:46:33.000 And so my argument is, are you saying that you know definitively the child is right in every circumstance?

01:46:40.000 Does desistance exist?

01:46:41.000 Right.

01:46:42.000 Of course it does.

01:46:42.000 Right.

01:46:43.000 Even if it's only, they'll argue, a low rate, 10%.

01:46:46.000 Okay.

01:46:46.000 Yeah.

01:46:46.000 That means there's a 1 in 10 kids you talk to is actually wrong, but you're telling them that they're right?

01:46:52.000 Now, why would you do that?

01:46:54.000 Okay, maybe I'm the 10% of people you've talked to who is wrong, but please just tell me I'm right like you would for them.

01:46:58.000 Of course.

01:46:59.000 And say it for the camera.

01:47:01.000 I don't even know where they get this idea that only an individual can know his ontological nature.

01:47:08.000 I mean, that's not the case.

01:47:09.000 I'm not a tree expert, but I know what a pine tree is, right?

01:47:15.000 It's back to the conversation that society is not about the individual, it's about the Shane Manning says, Luke, my man, you're wrong.

01:47:21.000 The NBC reporter who doesn't do weather showed up on the TV this morning in the ice-cold storm.

01:47:25.000 They had him reporting outside during the blizzard.

01:47:26.000 Let's read more, we got Shane Man, he says, Luke, my man, you're wrong.

01:47:29.000 The NBC reporter who doesn't do weather showed up on the TV this morning in the ice cold

01:47:34.000 storm.

01:47:35.000 They had him reporting outside during the blizzard. 0.91

01:47:36.000 He looked miserable.

01:47:38.000 Did they bring him back? 0.80

01:47:38.000 He came back today? 0.80

01:47:39.000 Really?

01:47:40.000 I don't know.

01:47:41.000 But they kept him outside, right?

01:47:42.000 I mean, it's still not great.

01:47:43.000 What's his name?

01:47:45.000 I can't remember the guy's name.

01:47:46.000 The last I saw, he was posting pictures from his vacation, but not at work.

01:47:49.000 So if he came back to work today, I apologize and I was wrong.

01:47:52.000 Also, Keith Olbermann was just banned from Twitter.

01:47:54.000 Jeez.

01:47:55.000 What?

01:47:55.000 Dude, Elon, you're going too far, brother.

01:47:58.000 You gotta let go.

01:48:00.000 I know that it's an emotional time.

01:48:03.000 That's why you don't want one person in charge of who gets to stay and who has to go, because if they get emotionally charged up, they're not making decisions clearly.

01:48:09.000 But if it's gotta be one person.

01:48:10.000 Keith Olbermann must be going crazy.

01:48:13.000 I have not seen what they got banned for, Elon, so if I'm out of line, I'm out of line, but come on, brother.

01:48:17.000 If Elon Musk nukes Twitter and just shuts the whole thing down, I am going to spend, I am going to order every pizza that Papa John's has, we are going to have a big party, I'm getting lights set up, and we are going to celebrate.

01:48:34.000 I love and hate Twitter.

01:48:36.000 And if it finally ended, I would have a, it would be like, yeah, I get it, I like the instant news feed, but it would just be so epically hilarious.

01:48:45.000 We havin' pizza and wings all night.

01:48:46.000 I would lead his cause for canonization.

01:48:48.000 He would do so much good for the world.

01:48:50.000 Canonization.

01:48:53.000 Keith Olbermann, you know what it is?

01:48:55.000 These people have been calling for violence, they've been doxing, and they've been getting away with it forever.

01:48:59.000 This, wow, man.

01:49:01.000 That's great.

01:49:01.000 You know, look, they ban Alex Jones.

01:49:04.000 Keith Olbermann is at least as wild and eccentric and crazy on the left as Alex Jones is on the right.

01:49:10.000 He's actually, he's way more. 1.00

01:49:11.000 Crazy. 0.99

01:49:12.000 I know what he's doing. 0.60

01:49:13.000 And this is about the Philosopher King.

01:49:16.000 He's getting rid of extremists.

01:49:18.000 He doesn't care what the rules are. 0.99

01:49:19.000 He's saying, Olbermann is a nutjob. 0.99

01:49:22.000 He posts vitriolic, psychopathic content. 1.00

01:49:25.000 Gone. 0.92

01:49:26.000 Rupar, he lies non-stop, making everything worse.

01:49:29.000 Gone.

01:49:29.000 The problem is Keith is going to do that whether he's on Twitter or not.

01:49:32.000 It's the same problem.

01:49:34.000 Muting these people is not the answer in my opinion, man.

01:49:37.000 I agree.

01:49:38.000 However, that's what I think Elon is doing.

01:49:40.000 He's saying the most vitriolic people are gone.

01:49:45.000 And this means, I'm willing to bet there are people on the right he brought back will probably be gone soon as well.

01:49:49.000 Some already are.

01:49:50.000 Right, exactly.

01:49:51.000 Baked Alaska, I think.

01:49:52.000 Did he get banned instantly?

01:49:53.000 He came back and was instantly banned for saying something about Jewish people.

01:49:56.000 Did he get banned?

01:49:56.000 I think.

01:49:57.000 I read that earlier.

01:49:58.000 He said, here's a fresh start.

01:49:59.000 Here's your opportunity.

01:50:00.000 And the vitriolic comments are getting removed.

01:50:02.000 Yeah, it's just cultivating social space.

01:50:06.000 I keep pushing back on you, Luke, because I'm the traddy here, but I recognize that there is a risk to all of these things, and that's why we need to take care and, I think, deal with some complexity and nuance in our political issues.

01:50:22.000 I could be wrong about Baker, Alaska, by the way.

01:50:24.000 But I like cultivating nice space.

01:50:26.000 I like living in a good society, you know?

01:50:28.000 I just like it.

01:50:29.000 I don't want to live in an ugly one.

01:50:31.000 But if you're going to be bowing down to the powers that are in charge right now, you're bowing down to some really bad people making some really bad decisions.

01:50:38.000 Elon Musk, you might agree with his decision.

01:50:40.000 I personally don't.

01:50:41.000 And I think there's a slippery slope, especially when you start censoring people.

01:50:45.000 I agree, but, you know, I gotta, uh, if, oh, I see what it, Olbermann tweeted, someone said this in chat, Olbermann tweeted, mastered an account that was tracking Elon's plane.

01:50:54.000 That's probably what he's doing.

01:50:55.000 He's like, dude, my kid was attacked, I'm not playing games.

01:50:57.000 And those other journalists probably are doing the same thing.

01:50:59.000 Yep.

01:51:00.000 Yeah, totally.

01:51:01.000 I posted a tweet that people said was making fun of Elon Musk.

01:51:03.000 And I think Elon's gonna speak on this like he speaks about a lot of his decisions, and

01:51:08.000 I think he's going to be more forthcoming about why this decision was made.

01:51:12.000 I posted a tweet that people said was making fun of Elon Musk.

01:51:16.000 It was making fun of the circumstances around him, but Elon responded with fire emojis.

01:51:20.000 And a lot of people said he doesn't get it, he's being made fun of, and I'm like, no,

01:51:23.000 I think he gets the joke.

01:51:25.000 He understands the point.

01:51:26.000 I think the billionaire genius gets the meme, generally speaking.

01:51:30.000 He has said that he wants to piss off the far left and the far right, and he wants there to be a space. 0.90

01:51:35.000 So if I make a point, and he's like, yeah, fair point, you know, people will blindly agree, and he puts fire emojis, or maybe he's dumb, whatever you want to think.

01:51:42.000 Like, I think he wants a space.

01:51:45.000 Where the the streamy, you know, Kathy Griffin types are not dominating the conversation. 1.00

01:51:51.000 Yeah.

01:51:52.000 But ultimately they're posting his location.

01:51:54.000 Let's also not forget, I mean I know that sometimes my views are viewed as slightly to the right of Genghis Khan or something, moderation is a virtue.

01:52:02.000 I'm not saying that we need to squish and find some middle ground with demons, you know.

01:52:06.000 Like Balenciaga's satanic pedos, but like, you know, moderation, actually being a temperate, moderate person, that is a virtue.

01:52:15.000 Let's read this.

01:52:15.000 As John Bushnell says, on the subject of free speech, I'm more with Luke, but the bigger

01:52:19.000 issue I see is that media services do not give me adequate tools to filter out content

01:52:23.000 I don't want to see, especially for my kids, but also just for myself.

01:52:26.000 Yep, that most social media networks deeply, desperately need an ability for you to type

01:52:31.000 in what you want not to see, as well as what you're searching for.

01:52:35.000 The real Hydro PX, you know, we're a big fan, Hydro.

01:52:37.000 He says, New York City is a duty-to-retreat state.

01:52:40.000 That means you cannot just end someone because you thought they were trying to harm you.

01:52:44.000 And I disagree with that.

01:52:46.000 I think there should be some reasonable expect, like, you better prove that this person was really a threat to you.

01:52:51.000 You can't just, you know, I was talking to a lawyer about West Virginia, or, you know, someone in law enforcement, and they were like, look, someone walks on your property, you can't shoot them.

01:53:00.000 Someone walks on your property carrying a weapon, now they're in trouble.

01:53:03.000 Even, because it's an open, it's a constitutional carry state, but you trespass, and you're armed, and someone fires on you, you're gonna have a very hard time defending yourself, and if you die.

01:53:12.000 What about a baseball bat?

01:53:14.000 Even then.

01:53:14.000 What about a big stick?

01:53:15.000 They're walking around with a stick in their hand.

01:53:17.000 See, this is the point of judges and juries.

01:53:19.000 Because the law can say, don't carry a weapon, and someone could carry a handful of nails and be running, and you go, ah, they're coming at me, and you shoot them, and then it turns out he was running to his friend whose car broke and he had the nails he was asking for, or something like that.

01:53:33.000 And you know, on this very point, the wonderful Harvard Law Professor Adrian Vermeule has done a lot.

01:53:38.000 He's trying to revive the classical law tradition, and he distinguishes between two types of law.

01:53:44.000 You know, in English we don't really distinguish between these things, but there's law like lex, you know, law written down in statutes and constitutions, and there's law as in use, as in the background principles and context in which the written positive law exists.

01:54:00.000 That's very important to know that distinction.

01:54:02.000 We talk about it from time to time.

01:54:03.000 There's a funny book called, like, Old Laws or something like that.

01:54:07.000 And it's like, it's illegal to put a pie on your windowsill, except on, like, Tuesday afternoon.

01:54:12.000 And it was a law from back when a hundred people lived in this town and the smell of pie would attract wild animals.

01:54:17.000 Made sense.

01:54:18.000 Now that it's a big city, no one worries about it.

01:54:20.000 And they're like, I can't put a pie in my window.

01:54:21.000 So that's so weird.

01:54:22.000 So we don't enforce the law anymore.

01:54:25.000 As just another example of big government taking away the simple joy of putting a pie on my window. 0.84

01:54:30.000 But back then, if you did, people would show up to your house and they'd flip the pie and be like, are you nuts?

01:54:34.000 We don't want to deal with mountain lions! 0.68

01:54:35.000 And they'd be offended and angry by it.

01:54:37.000 Nowadays, nobody cares, so the cop's not going to do anything.

01:54:40.000 All right, let's see what we got here.

01:54:42.000 Draylo says, I love you, Luke, but your view early on reminded me of the libertarian version of, quote, well, that's not real communism.

01:54:49.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

01:54:51.000 I think I want to make sure that you don't overcompensate and had so just push back so hard against authoritarianism that you end up becoming a radical libertarian.

01:55:00.000 Let me just say I'm actually glad that Luke is pushing so hard because we don't have that degree of anarchy and so if you have someone who's like no government you end up with a little bit.

01:55:11.000 But when you have a pendulum swinging, if you push back against the pendulum really hard, you find it goes to the extreme.

01:55:16.000 You want to be friction in the system that slows the pendulum down.

01:55:19.000 I don't know what you're talking about here.

01:55:20.000 I made this statement before, clearly.

01:55:22.000 If you believe in a parks department, you're a communist.

01:55:26.000 We cannot stand government.

01:55:27.000 Some of the worst, horrible atrocities on the face of this earth.

01:55:31.000 Democide, if you don't know what it is, look it up, have happened because of government.

01:55:34.000 Government is the ultimate evil.

01:55:35.000 We shouldn't be financing and fueling it.

01:55:37.000 The decisions for your life should be made by you and you only, and you should be making them responsibly.

01:55:42.000 Let Darwin win.

01:55:43.000 And I'm pretty sure that government was a leading cause of regicide as well.

01:55:46.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:55:48.000 You know, there is another historical fact, though.

01:55:52.000 Some of the worst people on Earth, ever, have been individuals.

01:55:55.000 Did you know that?

01:55:56.000 Whoa.

01:55:57.000 Now, listen, I studied history as an undergrad, but... You know, hold on.

01:56:00.000 This might be shocking, but I don't know if you guys know this.

01:56:02.000 Hitler was an individual. 0.87

01:56:03.000 Hold on.

01:56:04.000 No, he wasn't.

01:56:04.000 Hold it for it.

01:56:07.000 Who?

01:56:07.000 Stalin was actually five people.

01:56:08.000 Which one?

01:56:12.000 Um, Ricky.

01:56:13.000 Ricky, Ricky Hill.

01:56:14.000 That makes more sense.

01:56:16.000 Yeah, little-known cousin.

01:56:17.000 Richard.

01:56:17.000 Yeah, Stalin was five people, actually.

01:56:19.000 He's a communist, so that makes sense.

01:56:22.000 All right, here's another one.

01:56:22.000 Eric Nelson says, Luke is 100% correct.

01:56:25.000 Those who shut down speech are admitting they don't have the argument to counter the speech they dislike.

01:56:30.000 Uh, you know, so, I don't consider myself libertarian.

01:56:33.000 I consider myself libertarian-ish.

01:56:34.000 Like, I'm on the libertarian spectrum, but there's degrees of authority you're willing to entertain.

01:56:39.000 And the point that I was making with why we don't tolerate, we don't tolerate advocacy for, like you mentioned, child porn.

01:56:46.000 We don't go out and arrest someone for arguing for it, though.

01:56:48.000 We just don't tolerate them in our circles, culturally.

01:56:51.000 And it's because, I, I, when the Florida bill came out about parental rights in education, And the parent's right to decide if their kid does or doesn't get medical treatment.

01:57:00.000 I said, make sense.

01:57:01.000 The parent should have final say.

01:57:03.000 Then I read another story where a parent was trying to give their kid a sex change and people were saying the government should stop this.

01:57:09.000 And I was like, now that's interesting.

01:57:11.000 At what point do we decide the government should or shouldn't?

01:57:13.000 It is a communal moral standard that is different between the left and the right.

01:57:18.000 The law doesn't define.

01:57:20.000 So then I was like, okay, we need communally agreed upon standards.

01:57:27.000 Otherwise, there's no law, and it's just chaos.

01:57:29.000 And we will have them.

01:57:30.000 I mean, I guess that is my other point.

01:57:32.000 Regardless of what one wishes, you know, would that it were so simple, there will always be community standards.

01:57:38.000 That's just how humans operate, and so... Yeah.

01:57:40.000 The less mafias, the better for me. 1.00

01:57:43.000 Everybody is, like, saying they agree with Luke or they disagree.

01:57:45.000 I think it's funny because no one's actually addressing your points.

01:57:47.000 They're like, Luke is wrong or Luke is right instead of Michael Knowles is right or wrong.

01:57:51.000 Because I'm just speaking common sense.

01:57:53.000 But this is a good one.

01:57:54.000 DS says, Luke is Neo dodging those questions at point-blank range.

01:57:59.000 Hey, those are emotionally driven questions based on, a lot of times, straw men.

01:58:04.000 So, okay, you know, excuse me for not engaging in... Oh, I was just trying to engage in the free marketplace of ideas.

01:58:10.000 Of course, yeah, yeah, but I'm just calling them out as emotionally driven questions.

01:58:14.000 What does that mean to say an emotionally driven question?

01:58:17.000 You picked up specific circumstances with specific very nuanced cases in order to make your argument based on emotion.

01:58:23.000 I don't think my examples were nuanced at all.

01:58:26.000 They were specifically not nuanced to get you to admit an objective good example.

01:58:29.000 You told me if I wanted to kick a baby.

01:58:31.000 Right, because you said that good and bad... Obviously I don't want to kick a baby! 1.00

01:58:34.000 That's the point!

01:58:35.000 But then you're contradicting your previous claim that good and bad are simply arbitrary instead of objectively true.

01:58:40.000 I'm saying it's arbitrary in the human perspective for one individual to decide.

01:58:44.000 But you just said it's objectively better to bake the pie for the widow than to kick the baby. 0.76

01:58:49.000 So you contradicted.

01:58:50.000 I can give you a simple, physical, logical statement about what good and bad are.

01:58:54.000 There is a reason why it is universally, morally true that kicking a baby is wrong.

01:58:59.000 If everybody agreed that they could kick babies, humanity would cease to exist.

01:59:03.000 We, as humans, exist for the human experience.

01:59:05.000 Jeremy Boring said this, and it's a brilliant point.

01:59:07.000 Without humans, what's the point of anything that we do?

01:59:10.000 We do it for humans.

01:59:11.000 We have to be good stewards of the Earth.

01:59:14.000 That's a reason, but I don't think that's the ultimate purpose of humanity.

01:59:17.000 Well, to live for the, like, his point, I thought it was a good point, but it was basically like, if there were no humans, would anything related to humans matter?

01:59:27.000 Of course not.

01:59:27.000 Like, would our laws matter?

01:59:29.000 No, of course not.

01:59:29.000 So that means everything is confined within this space.

01:59:32.000 But ultimately, my point is, if we tolerated things that destroyed humanity, there would be no humanity.

01:59:37.000 Therefore, that is a universal bad.

01:59:40.000 But we don't only serve humanity, I guess is my point.

01:59:44.000 It seems to me the purpose of life is to know God and to serve him on earth and to enjoy him forever in heaven.

01:59:48.000 And that's the sort of traditional view of things.

01:59:50.000 And for those who are agnostic or atheist, you might be sort of laughing at me right now.

01:59:54.000 But at the very least, let me use kind of new-agey language.

01:59:58.000 You know, the purpose of life, man, is to find something outside of yourself and our merely human endeavors and to find something greater and a higher power and, you know, and whatever, bro, or I don't know.

02:00:12.000 But it's like, I think most people would agree with that.

02:00:14.000 We're not merely serving our own interests.

02:00:16.000 But don't you see within the last few decades, That's how a lot of people have been replacing God and using the state as their own religion, as their own kind of cult.

02:00:23.000 I do believe in the power of religion, but when the government intervenes in so much in our lives, people are literally seeing government as their entity, as their god, as what they should worship, of what they should follow.

02:00:34.000 But all human conflict ultimately is theological, so all political debates are religious as well.

02:00:39.000 Some conflicts are just about who's got the water.

02:00:43.000 We're about to go to members only, so let me read one more really good super chat.

02:00:47.000 Carlo Magno says, Tim, I don't believe in capital punishment unless you trespass in my property pool.

02:00:54.000 Well, it's a funny super chat, but my point is, I don't believe in killing another person unless they're an immediate threat.

02:01:02.000 The challenge, however, is if they're someone who is clearly a threat to society, and you've subdued them by putting them in a small concrete box, snuffing out their life is a challenge for me morally.

02:01:16.000 Is it not?

02:01:17.000 You know, some people say death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment.

02:01:20.000 Seems to be the opposite.

02:01:21.000 Well, we know it was not unusual from the ratification of the Constitution because the punishment for a felony was the death penalty.

02:01:27.000 But don't you think life in prison or solitary or something?

02:01:30.000 To me that seems cruel and unusual.

02:01:33.000 I would actually argue Locking someone in a box, if someone's truly a threat to others, so you decide to lock them up and control every moment of their life and limit their ability to live for 30 years, could actually be worse than just killing them.

02:01:49.000 But I just, I, you know, sometimes I don't have logical answers for things.

02:01:53.000 Like when I was talking with Glenn Beck about abortion, I was like, the issue ultimately comes down to, there's a point where I just don't know.

02:02:02.000 I just don't have it in me to advocate for killing another person that has been locked in a box.

02:02:07.000 Maybe they can request it.

02:02:09.000 But let's do this.

02:02:10.000 We're going to go to the Members Only section and have a ridiculous debate where everyone's going to start yelling again.

02:02:14.000 So head over to TimCast.com, become a member.

02:02:16.000 I think this one's going to be really fun and there's going to be a lot of noises.

02:02:19.000 So go to TimCast.com, click the Join Us button, sign up, and we'll be there in about an hour.

02:02:23.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.

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02:02:31.000 Michael, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:32.000 I do, actually.

02:02:34.000 I do.

02:02:34.000 Well, obviously my show, the Michael Knoll Show at the Daily Wire, five days a week.

02:02:37.000 I love shouting that out.

02:02:39.000 I love shouting out the Book Club at PragerU.

02:02:40.000 That's another show that I do.

02:02:42.000 But speaking of books...

02:02:43.000 And it's on this show in particular.

02:02:46.000 I would like to thank the Tim Kast audience.

02:02:49.000 You guys almost single-handedly made that book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, available now for order.

02:02:57.000 By trolling me!

02:02:59.000 I went on very big TV shows and very big shows to sell the book and they helped.

02:03:06.000 Nothing worked like your show, Tim.

02:03:08.000 And the fanatical TimCast monsters who forced you to plug my book every five times a show for like two months.

02:03:17.000 It was great.

02:03:17.000 So thank you for making Speechless the number one.

02:03:19.000 You know, like, because people would super chat and say, man, that story's really crazy, Tim.

02:03:23.000 Hearing about this family has left me speechless, just like Michael is.

02:03:26.000 And after a couple times, I'd be like, okay, okay.

02:03:30.000 And then because, you know, here's what I do when I read super chats.

02:03:33.000 I actually read them before I speak the words.

02:03:37.000 So I'm reading two words ahead of what I'm saying, but I can't read the whole sentence before I start reading, otherwise the show would lag.

02:03:44.000 So I read, man that story's really crazy, then I say it, and then I see the speeches and I go...

02:03:49.000 And I gotta read it.

02:03:51.000 But it was funny, it was fun, and it was like a brilliant, emergent marketing campaign.

02:03:57.000 It worked really well.

02:03:57.000 I wish I could take credit, but it's really, it's just your fanatical listeners.

02:04:01.000 It was a meme!

02:04:02.000 Thank you.

02:04:02.000 Thank you, memes.

02:04:04.000 Meme makers.

02:04:04.000 Where can people find you on Twitter?

02:04:06.000 For now, they can find me at Michael J. Knowles.

02:04:08.000 But I don't know, Elon is going on a banning spree.

02:04:11.000 So maybe by the end of this, maybe I'll be gone too.

02:04:13.000 Yeah, did we dox you by telling people where you were right now?

02:04:16.000 You might have.

02:04:17.000 It was great talking to all you communists today.

02:04:22.000 I didn't agree with you, Michael.

02:04:23.000 But don't worry, I'm not a statist.

02:04:24.000 I'm not gonna ban you or try to get you banned.

02:04:26.000 But I thank you for engaging with me and creating a thought-provoking conversation that sparked a lot of different conversations.

02:04:33.000 So it was awesome.

02:04:33.000 It was fun.

02:04:34.000 Well, thank you.

02:04:35.000 I enjoyed it as well.

02:04:36.000 And I am texting Elon right now to ban you from all social media platforms.

02:04:40.000 He follows me.

02:04:41.000 I got him direct.

02:04:41.000 I don't know if you got him direct, but I got the connect.

02:04:46.000 You don't.

02:04:46.000 So my YouTube channel and my Twitter channel that Elon follows is at LukeWeAreChange.

02:04:54.000 WeAreChange on YouTube.

02:04:56.000 I did a very interesting video about what's happening with Twitter, Elon Musk, free speech.

02:05:00.000 That conversation is on YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChange.

02:05:03.000 See you there.

02:05:04.000 Thank you again so much for having me.

02:05:05.000 This was really fun.

02:05:06.000 Thank you, Michael.

02:05:07.000 Appreciate it.

02:05:07.000 Always spectacular, Michael.

02:05:09.000 God is good.

02:05:10.000 I believe the word is derived from good.

02:05:13.000 God, they sound like the exact, I mean, I can't imagine they are not meant for each other.

02:05:17.000 Can't just be a coincidence.

02:05:18.000 And let's find out.

02:05:18.000 Let's get down to what that means maybe later tonight.

02:05:21.000 God is good.

02:05:22.000 Yeah.

02:05:23.000 Literally.

02:05:23.000 God is good.

02:05:24.000 Yeah, just with an extra O. Or good as God.

02:05:27.000 I need a Figma developer, someone out there that does UI and UX and is familiar with the Figma stuff, that can build components for Figma.

02:05:33.000 If you want to get involved with a nonprofit that I'm starting, that we're building some Ligma? 0.95

02:05:37.000 Badass technology.

02:05:38.000 No, no.

02:05:39.000 Figma, Figma.

02:05:40.000 Not Ligma. 0.67

02:05:40.000 Not our 2424. 0.67

02:05:42.000 Jack's giving out funding for these projects, man.

02:05:44.000 Oh yeah, Jack just funded Noster.

02:05:46.000 Jack Dorsey.

02:05:47.000 And Tor.

02:05:48.000 Beautiful.

02:05:49.000 With the tech stuff you're building.

02:05:53.000 Yeah, I'm really excited to get Bill Lottman involved, Jack Dorsey, Chris Pavlovsky.

02:05:57.000 I think it's going to be a really great front-end piece to add on to a lot of these social networks.

02:06:00.000 So if you want to get involved, hit me up on Twitter or Mines, and we'll work from there.

02:06:04.000 And I'm Ian Crossland, obviously.

02:06:05.000 You can check me out anywhere you want.

02:06:07.000 Baby, see you later.

02:06:08.000 What's up, everybody?

02:06:09.000 Thanks for having me on, guys.

02:06:10.000 Thanks, Chad.

02:06:11.000 I want to shout out Serge.

02:06:13.000 Follow him at Serge.com.

02:06:14.000 He's not here today.

02:06:15.000 And he also wanted me to shout out Elon Ma, which is Chinese Elon Musk.

02:06:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:21.000 He's a favorite of ours.

02:06:22.000 So go check him out.

02:06:23.000 He's great.

02:06:24.000 All right, everybody.

02:06:24.000 We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in about an hour.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - December 16, 2022

Timcast IRL - Pelosi Attacker's Son Says DePape May Have Been SEX SLAVE w-Michael Knowles

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