Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Project Veritas SUES James O'Keefe, Bud Light DROPS From #1 Spot w-James O'Keefe

00:00:00.000 You Project Veritas is suing James O'Keefe and his new company

00:00:32.000 and it's a crazy story.

00:00:35.000 I think it's a death knell for Project Veritas as an organization going after James in this way, but we do have major breaking news related to this, uh, we have right now.

00:00:45.000 Uh, apparently a resignation letter from one of the executives at Veritas.

00:00:49.000 I don't know if this is related to the lawsuit against James, but I believe it likely is.

00:00:54.000 Because I have to say, this is, for Project Veritas to sue James, is basically them saying, we're done, we're over, and whatever good will, whatever good faith, you know, people may have had in us, after James left, is completely gone.

00:01:09.000 So we're gonna go over that, and of course we have James here to talk about that and more, and then, I think that'll be a heavy portion of this show, because we're gonna be getting into a lot of that story with James here, but we do have other stories about Bud Light being knocked off the top spot, It is no longer the number one beer in this country.

00:01:24.000 Modelo is, which in the United States is not owned by Anheuser-Busch.

00:01:28.000 Internationally it is, but here it's Constellation Brands.

00:01:30.000 They have all the rights to it.

00:01:31.000 And then we have, far left is actually getting arrested.

00:01:34.000 This is actually a very, very big story.

00:01:36.000 The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is arresting people for fundraising on behalf of these activists.

00:01:42.000 These, well I should say extremists, because they're attacking a government facility.

00:01:45.000 The left says this is going after legally protected speech and fundraising efforts for legal defense, but I think they're lying.

00:01:51.000 So we'll get into all that.

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00:03:00.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this, of course, is the man himself, Mr. James O'Keefe.

00:03:04.000 You might want to grab your microphone.

00:03:06.000 There it is.

00:03:08.000 Usually my microphones are tiny and hidden.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:10.000 There's actually two.

00:03:12.000 One's in the way.

00:03:12.000 Alright.

00:03:14.000 Sir, everybody knows who you are, but how are you?

00:03:17.000 I'm doing great.

00:03:18.000 A lot has happened since I last saw you guys.

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:21.000 OMG, no more Veritas.

00:03:23.000 OMG.

00:03:24.000 So give us a quick introduction to where you are now.

00:03:27.000 Well, I started a company called OMG.

00:03:29.000 I got the t-shirt.

00:03:30.000 I brought some swag for you, too.

00:03:31.000 Oh, very nice.

00:03:31.000 We'll put it on the wall.

00:03:32.000 OMG, we break stories that make you go, oh my gosh!

00:03:36.000 Righteous indignation.

00:03:37.000 It's a private company, subscription-based news organization.

00:03:41.000 I started March 15th, the Ides of March.

00:03:44.000 It's been very successful.

00:03:46.000 And it's a private company.

00:03:48.000 I 100% own it.

00:03:50.000 And I'm very excited about this vision, which is to decentralize journalism, because people no longer trust institutions.

00:03:57.000 So we got to equip thousands of people.

00:03:59.000 I've been talking about doing this for many years, Tim.

00:04:00.000 I've talked about it with you.

00:04:01.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 But I think the time is now.

00:04:03.000 I think I'm ready to go do it.

00:04:04.000 So that's what we're doing.

00:04:05.000 Right on.

00:04:06.000 And of course, with the breaking news, it's good to have you here.

00:04:08.000 We can talk about what's going on and get to the bottom of it.

00:04:11.000 So thanks for hanging out.

00:04:11.000 Absolutely. We got Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes. My name's Seamus. I make cartoons. I also make podcasts

00:04:17.000 So I have a podcast called Shamer that airs on Rumble on Tuesdays and Thursdays

00:04:21.000 I also have the cartoons Tim mentioned. Those are over at Freedom Tunes. We're gonna be releasing a funny video

00:04:26.000 tomorrow We were gonna be releasing a debunkers video today, but

00:04:29.000 unfortunately there were some complications So we're gonna be releasing that one in this next week

00:04:33.000 But I think you guys are really gonna enjoy it and I think you're gonna like tomorrow's cartoon as well

00:04:37.000 Everyone Ian Crosland here happy to be here James. Good to see you my man

00:04:40.000 Great to see you. Been what a year and a half or something like that. Well, we'll talk more

00:04:43.000 I want to get down to down to the bottom of this And I'm sirs.com. It's a pleasure to meet you James and I'm

00:04:49.000 excited for tonight's episode. So let's get started guys We actually have a couple big stories related to this, but I think we'll just start before the breaking story we have.

00:04:58.000 It's a resignation of an executive.

00:04:59.000 I think we'll get into that, but we need to give context first.

00:05:02.000 So the first segment we have from TimCast.com.

00:05:04.000 James O'Keefe and media group sued by Project Veritas Action and Action Committee.

00:05:09.000 Project Veritas founder allegedly ran amok, put his own interests ahead of the outlet.

00:05:15.000 Former CEO and founder of Project Veritas, James O'Keefe, has been sued by his former outlet.

00:05:19.000 O'Keefe Media Group and two former employees of Project Veritas, R.C.

00:05:23.000 Maxwell and Anthony Iatropoulos, am I pronouncing that right?

00:05:25.000 Iatropoulos?

00:05:26.000 I believe so, yeah.

00:05:27.000 Are also included in the lawsuit for allegedly breaching their contracts for the benefit of OMG.

00:05:32.000 They say, O'Keefe allegedly ran amok and put his own interests out of Veritas, which asserted, the outlet's founder failed in his duties and caused serious and significant damage, according to the lawsuit, which includes Project Veritas Action Group as a plaintiff.

00:05:46.000 The lawsuit notes, O'Keefe was suspended but not removed as a member from his former role in Project Veritas as CEO and president of Project Veritas Action Fund on February 6th.

00:05:56.000 So I want to just simplify this.

00:05:59.000 They're saying that, James, you, in the lawsuit, you have no right to start a company, you have no right to do the work you've done, and this was the shocking thing to me, the work that you have historically done before Veritas, during Veritas, and now after, they say, is proprietary to Project Veritas.

00:06:16.000 Mm-hmm.

00:06:17.000 So what's going on in your words?

00:06:21.000 How's life?

00:06:22.000 That's a macro question.

00:06:25.000 May I take a couple minutes to just say a few things?

00:06:28.000 Oh yeah, say whatever you want.

00:06:29.000 Grab that microphone.

00:06:31.000 Monologue it maybe.

00:06:31.000 There you go.

00:06:32.000 Let me just tell you a story.

00:06:34.000 How about that?

00:06:34.000 And I'll end with the answer to your question.

00:06:37.000 I've been doing this for About 15 years.

00:06:41.000 I started in college so I guess that's probably more like 20 years but in a major way 15 years.

00:06:45.000 Along the way I have been, you know, there's been a lot of arrows sent my way and at my team because when you're the tip of the spear you just get a lot of flack, right?

00:06:58.000 I think we all know that and then maybe these days it's directly proportional to the amount of flack you get but I mean I have been, way back when I received a letter from Planned Parenthood threatening to jail me for working with Lila in California because of the statute 632 of the penal code.

00:07:16.000 I did the acorn story with Andrew Breitbart and Hannah Giles.

00:07:19.000 They sued me for recording in Maryland.

00:07:22.000 I had to raise money to pay lawyers.

00:07:25.000 I was arrested by the FBI in January of 2010, falsely accused.

00:07:32.000 They said I entered under false pretense even though I showed my ID.

00:07:35.000 I spent three years on federal probation and it is while I was on federal probation that I founded Project Veritas in a garage with no money, credit card debt, negative equity.

00:07:48.000 It was against all odds.

00:07:51.000 And while on federal probation starting that company, I was sent criminal grand jury subpoenas by the state of New Hampshire in 2011-2012 for exposés in New Hampshire.

00:08:03.000 I was sued countless times for defamation, including one by Shirley Teeter.

00:08:09.000 I won that in federal district court at jury verdict and nobody reported on it.

00:08:14.000 I mean, I could go on and on with the amount of flack and arrows that my colleagues and I have taken.

00:08:24.000 There was one story where I was chased down the highway by a teacher's union official in New Jersey.

00:08:30.000 Chased down the highway!

00:08:32.000 So now they run away from me, but back then they ran, they followed me on Interstate 80 in New Jersey.

00:08:40.000 Alyssa Ploschnik was her name.

00:08:42.000 And all the defamation that almost makes you want to just say, I can't, I can't do this anymore.

00:08:48.000 Particularly if you're sane and rational.

00:08:51.000 And I could go on, you know?

00:08:53.000 And I don't say these things to come across like I'm a victim.

00:08:57.000 That's not what I'm getting at.

00:08:59.000 I love what I do.

00:09:00.000 I'm passionate about it.

00:09:01.000 I say it because of the human aspects of it.

00:09:06.000 It's different when you're taking on all these arrows.

00:09:10.000 It hits differently when the arrows come from the people that are ostensibly supposed to be your allies.

00:09:16.000 I've taken a lot of arrows.

00:09:18.000 I never thought I'd be taking them in the back.

00:09:21.000 It just feels different.

00:09:23.000 There's a great article by Dr. Malone, which I want to talk about with you.

00:09:27.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:09:28.000 But I want to say that I agree with you, Tim, that I feel untethered.

00:09:34.000 I think you said this back in, I think it was March or April.

00:09:37.000 I feel free.

00:09:39.000 You know, after Jobs was fired from Apple, he said, I entered one of the most creative periods of my life.

00:09:45.000 I didn't have the weights that, you know, buried me down.

00:09:49.000 In many ways, this is a blessing.

00:09:50.000 So I feel liberated.

00:09:52.000 I'm very excited about what I'm doing.

00:09:54.000 I've got 1,100 people on a CRM, citizen journals around the country.

00:09:59.000 Wow.

00:10:00.000 And I'm dispatching them.

00:10:02.000 That's something that I wasn't doing previously.

00:10:04.000 So I'm very inspired.

00:10:06.000 I'm very hopeful.

00:10:07.000 And I've decided to kind of take the high road here.

00:10:10.000 I think I need to do that for myself.

00:10:16.000 I'm still going through this, whatever this is, and I'm learning about human nature.

00:10:20.000 And of all the things I've learned, I probably learned mostly about like board maintenance.

00:10:24.000 I didn't really, you know, most people don't realize 501C3s are run by boards.

00:10:28.000 They're not owned by anybody.

00:10:29.000 And that creates its own issues.

00:10:32.000 And I never really paid attention To that part of it.

00:10:36.000 I ran Project Veritas like I was the owner.

00:10:40.000 Even though I wasn't, I took responsibility for everything.

00:10:43.000 So it's difficult to watch your own creation and lifeblood attack you.

00:10:51.000 And I've moved on because that's what I've been asked to do.

00:10:57.000 So we're in a very strange situation in space and time right now, and there's a lot to unpack.

00:11:03.000 But that's, in a nutshell, where we are.

00:11:06.000 So what's up with this, when did you learn of the lawsuit?

00:11:08.000 I mean, this is dropped today, right?

00:11:10.000 I learned because Will Sumner of the Daily Beast called my phone.

00:11:14.000 And whenever Will Sumner from the Daily Beast calls you, it's usually not, hey- Gave him your number?

00:11:18.000 Hey- Everyone's got my phone number.

00:11:21.000 Yeah, that's when I learned of it.

00:11:23.000 Oh, wow, wow.

00:11:23.000 So, well, do you, do you want to, do you have, I don't know if you can actually say anything.

00:11:27.000 I mean, the obvious thing is when you're being sued, you just don't talk about it because you've got to say it in court.

00:11:32.000 Well, that's, the process is the punishment.

00:11:34.000 Right.

00:11:35.000 So I was, I was raided by the FBI in September, November 2021.

00:11:41.000 And the process is the punishment because, and I talked about it.

00:11:46.000 And, but, but that's the thing.

00:11:47.000 The lawyers say, don't talk about it.

00:11:48.000 Yep.

00:11:49.000 And I have to make executive decisions about what I can and should say, and that's what this whole thing is designed to do.

00:11:54.000 It's designed to shut me down and silence me.

00:11:55.000 This is not the first time this has been through this.

00:11:57.000 So I went through the lawsuit a little bit, and I have it here.

00:12:02.000 I have it pulled up, actually.

00:12:05.000 Do you want me to bring this up?

00:12:06.000 I don't know how to pull it off.

00:12:07.000 for relief. This is what Project Veritas is asking of the court. It says, declare O'Keefe

00:12:12.000 in breach of his employment agreement in violation of his fiduciary duties and in violation of

00:12:17.000 his duty of loyalty. Declare Iatropolis in breach of...

00:12:20.000 Do you want me to bring this up?

00:12:21.000 What's that?

00:12:22.000 Do you want me to bring this up?

00:12:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:23.000 Okay, cool.

00:12:24.000 Declare Iatropolis in breach of the Iatropolis agreement.

00:12:27.000 Declare Maxwell in breach of the Maxwell Agreement.

00:12:29.000 Declare OMG to have tortiously interfered with the Employment Agreement, the Iatropoulos Agreement, the Maxwell Agreement.

00:12:34.000 Declare O'Keefe to have misappropriated plaintiff's trade secrets.

00:12:38.000 That's big right there.

00:12:39.000 Declare O'Keefe liable to identify plaintiff for the cost of defense and or liabilities arising from actions taken by him or his heirs or omissions.

00:12:46.000 Issue a preliminary and permanent injunction enjoining O'Keefe and OMG From soliciting or contacting plaintiff's donors, employees, or contractors.

00:12:56.000 Disparaging plaintiffs.

00:12:58.000 Obtaining, using, or disclosing plaintiff's confidential information.

00:13:02.000 And keeping and failing to return plaintiff's property.

00:13:05.000 Now some of these things, look I understand like you gotta give the property back if you have any, whatever that may be about.

00:13:10.000 But there's some things here that are, the trade secrets, what you need to understand in this is, you can respond if you can or want to.

00:13:19.000 The way I see it, You started, James, you started Project Veritas.

00:13:23.000 You brought trade secrets.

00:13:25.000 They then, it seems like an institutional capture, with one of these guys on the board apparently having pronouns in his bio or something, all of a sudden they're telling you, you're locked up, you're suspended, stop doing your work, so you go off and do your own thing, and then they say, nope, we own those, everything that you built, we own, every technique, all the methodology, those are ours and you can never use them again.

00:13:48.000 That effectively says the methods of James O'Keefe can never be used by James O'Keefe again.

00:13:55.000 The money that was raised and that I raised, taking lots of black cars around to raise it, I don't know if you get the inside joke there, but they say there's black cars are inappropriate, was raised to expose corruption and now is being used in an effort to stifle My efforts to expose corruption!

00:14:11.000 How does that work?

00:14:12.000 I want to add to this.

00:14:13.000 How does that work?

00:14:14.000 The black cars thing.

00:14:15.000 Black cars.

00:14:16.000 They say that you drive around in these SUVs or whatever that are very expensive.

00:14:20.000 I'll tell you guys a story.

00:14:21.000 We did an event in New York and we had very serious security threats.

00:14:26.000 We had security running around the building looking for individuals who we believe were

00:14:30.000 involved in very serious threats and swatting and things like that.

00:14:33.000 So when the event wraps, and they're like, here's your exit, Mr. Poole, I'm like, yo, there's like a hundred people out there, and we're under, like, tight security conditions.

00:14:42.000 So I need to, like, get out.

00:14:43.000 James, like, James says, I have a vehicle for this reason.

00:14:47.000 Come with me.

00:14:48.000 And then James brings me into an SUV.

00:14:51.000 There's a reason why you have vehicles like this.

00:14:53.000 To use that against you when you are the target of threats, death threats, like ridiculous law enforcement raids?

00:15:01.000 I mean, who's funding this?

00:15:05.000 What money are they using to pay for this?

00:15:07.000 Is it 501c3 money?

00:15:08.000 I mean- Donors who gave to Veritas are paying them to sue you?

00:15:12.000 Right?

00:15:13.000 I mean, bear with me for a minute.

00:15:14.000 It's going to take about 90 seconds.

00:15:15.000 I want to read something to you.

00:15:17.000 You know Dr. Malone?

00:15:18.000 The guy who did the stories about COVID and- Very smart.

00:15:21.000 Fantastic.

00:15:21.000 Very smart guy.

00:15:22.000 Robert Malone.

00:15:23.000 I've become pretty close to him recently.

00:15:25.000 I was having dinner with him, but he wrote this a few months ago.

00:15:26.000 I just want you to listen.

00:15:27.000 Just bear with me for two minutes.

00:15:29.000 Um, remember that story about Pfizer with the cage fight?

00:15:31.000 This happened a few days after that.

00:15:33.000 These are Malone's words, and I just want to read them before your audience, because this is profound.

00:15:37.000 He wrote this on like a substack or something.

00:15:40.000 Without knowing the details of all this, This episode has all the earmarks of a terrible institutional problem in nonprofits that we've seen many times before.

00:15:49.000 All it takes is a remarkable success, big infusion of money, a weak, jealous, confused board using disgruntled employees as shields.

00:15:56.000 The board develops a backwards-looking focus.

00:15:59.000 Taking apart the success, why did management take those risks?

00:16:02.000 Why did the head of the organization not consult with us?

00:16:04.000 Why didn't the head of the organization follow industry-established practices?

00:16:07.000 How come the organization's president did not do something different than what he did to establish long-term success?

00:16:12.000 Which is a word that they use, long-term success.

00:16:15.000 I remember this one time I raised a million dollars and they said, well, you could have raised 10 million if you did something differently.

00:16:20.000 I was like, what?

00:16:22.000 Why did they do it?

00:16:24.000 Above all, why is this guy getting all the attention?

00:16:27.000 Other insiders in the company start consulting with the board, and the plot is hatched.

00:16:31.000 All it takes is an investigation.

00:16:33.000 Some claimed guy at the top is making everyone work too hard, and then people get burned out.

00:16:38.000 You can fill in the blanks with complaints, and there's always something somewhere.

00:16:41.000 The scheme usually involves claims of financial nonsense, such as office parties or helicopter rides.

00:16:48.000 Once the decision is made to oust the guy, he really has no chance.

00:16:53.000 All that remains is the need to find a pretext.

00:16:56.000 Next thing you know, the unthinkable happens.

00:16:59.000 The hardest working, innovative, and most effective person is out.

00:17:03.000 The board keeps the money.

00:17:05.000 The disgruntled staff gets their pound of flesh and everyone who stabbed the guy in the back gets a raise and life goes on.

00:17:11.000 I've seen this many times before at nonprofits that kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

00:17:15.000 The achievements gradually die, the organization maintains some name recognition, and they become a letterhead.

00:17:20.000 This is the triumph of bureaucracy over achievement.

00:17:24.000 I had a founder tell me, That it's actually a fight against excellence itself.

00:17:31.000 That was, it took me a while to understand what he meant by that.

00:17:34.000 It's a tragedy, but unfortunately very common, particularly at hospitals and churches.

00:17:39.000 And part of the problem traces to the structure of nonprofits.

00:17:42.000 They're not owned by anybody.

00:17:43.000 So there's a committee whose job is to hire and fire the CEO, but they're not meant to manage the company.

00:17:49.000 They're not meant to manage the company.

00:17:50.000 They're supposed to put a leader in charge because you can't lead by committee.

00:17:54.000 That's Stalin-esque.

00:17:57.000 The board hires the president, the president hires and fires the staff.

00:17:59.000 The board is unpaid, which usually means they have no reason to be involved in the operations in the first place, but all the while they have a sense that they should be controlling things even though they really understand what's going on.

00:18:09.000 So, that was Malone.

00:18:11.000 Uh, who's... Spot on.

00:18:13.000 Spot on.

00:18:14.000 The looking backwards thing's brilliant.

00:18:16.000 They attacked all the things that you were doing without pointing out Veritas is extremely successful because of the things you have done and continue to do.

00:18:27.000 They stop it in this single moment, out of the entire context of the life of Veritas, and say, look at these things he just did, instead of saying, look at the similar things he's been doing that have led to our success.

00:18:41.000 So they can make it seem like Veritas was always where it was, and only now are these things causing problems.

00:18:49.000 Well, the moment of greatest achievement often carries the greatest risk.

00:18:54.000 And it's a cliche, right?

00:18:56.000 You know, you get the flack if you're over the target.

00:18:59.000 But what I've realized, I was just doing a Twitter spaces downstairs, is there's a lot of evil in the world.

00:19:09.000 I think the evil is getting more evil, but there's also a lot of good.

00:19:12.000 And I saw a lot of, I mean, it's a blessing because I was overtaken by a sense of gratitude for all the really good people that were around me.

00:19:23.000 And I was overtaken with a sense of gratitude to see who people really are.

00:19:27.000 And you need to be very strong if you're going to do this.

00:19:33.000 Again, another cliche.

00:19:34.000 We think we know what that means.

00:19:35.000 You don't know what that means.

00:19:37.000 Until you've been raided, until you've been targeted and attacked and sued and defamed.

00:19:44.000 And the more effective you are at your mission, the more those people are going to do that to the people around you.

00:19:50.000 So you better surround yourself with really strong humans who can withstand blistering attacks.

00:19:56.000 Whether they're true or not doesn't matter.

00:19:59.000 This is kind of an allegory for, I think, what we're going through in the country right now.

00:20:04.000 I think this is sort of where we are.

00:20:06.000 It feels like Veritas was captured.

00:20:09.000 Yeah.

00:20:10.000 And it seems like the purpose of this suit and everything they've done has been to stop and to silence you.

00:20:14.000 Well, I've moved on.

00:20:16.000 I've started a new deal.

00:20:19.000 We just posted the RFK podcast, which is really great.

00:20:22.000 I don't know if you've seen that, just posted today.

00:20:26.000 We talk about fear, his uncle JFK.

00:20:28.000 I've got reporters as I speak undercover everywhere.

00:20:32.000 I'm trying to do my job.

00:20:34.000 I'm focused on the future, and the forward-looking glass of a car is bigger than your rear-view mirror.

00:20:41.000 But this is why it seems, to me, ideological.

00:20:45.000 Because you've moved on.

00:20:46.000 And look, look, look.

00:20:48.000 After you leave Veritas, everybody says James O'Keefe is Veritas.

00:20:52.000 People are very critical of Project Veritas.

00:20:54.000 Donors came out in your defense.

00:20:56.000 And Veritas, their leadership, they could have come out and said, fine.

00:21:03.000 Look, guys, we want to keep doing good work.

00:21:04.000 We wish James the best.

00:21:06.000 You know, you may not be happy with how things went, but we're gonna try and make two good things out of this instead of just a fight.

00:21:12.000 The fact that they've gone after you, this says to me it is more about ideology, because if Veritas was truly trying to do good work, they would realize that this lawsuit is basically a stake in the heart of Veritas.

00:21:25.000 What little was left that people believed in with Project Veritas is now completely gone, because they're attacking you.

00:21:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:32.000 I mean, if their issues with what you were doing were truly the things that they claimed they were when they ousted you, they should have no problem with you going and doing your own thing.

00:21:41.000 I got the feeling that it was personal.

00:21:43.000 Like, I wasn't around you when you were going through it, but, like, I imagine you were high stress, and you were just, like, I don't know if you were lashing out at people, or, like, just, like, making demands, and then they were like, we've had enough of him, we can't take him anymore.

00:21:53.000 And then they just... But, like, are you still on contract with Veritas?

00:21:57.000 No, I was fired on February 10th.

00:21:59.000 So, they say they never fired you.

00:22:02.000 I say they did, and our lawyers say they did, February 10th.

00:22:05.000 Because if you're still on contract, then there are clauses usually in bylaws for 501c3s where the board has to agree that you can make private profit off of anything related to the foundation.

00:22:18.000 But if you're not on contract with them, that's another story, I think.

00:22:22.000 I'm not a lawyer, but that's what I would surmise.

00:22:24.000 Well, we've got breaking news, ladies and gentlemen, in relation to this.

00:22:27.000 So we received a message from April Moss.

00:22:31.000 She is a CBS Detroit whistleblower, a meteorologist, whose story became public in June of 2021.

00:22:37.000 She says that she's obtained an exclusive copy of a resignation letter from Dan Strack of Project Veritas, and that she stands by James O'Keefe, currently working on the story.

00:22:47.000 And there is some personal information, so I'm not going to show the email, but I do have it.

00:22:51.000 It says, Today I sent the following email to the Board of Directors and Leadership.

00:22:55.000 Project Veritas Board of Directors, please take this email as notification of my resignation as Executive Director of Project Veritas and Project Veritas Action.

00:23:04.000 I am honored to have worked alongside some of the most dedicated and driven people I've ever met.

00:23:08.000 I promise I gave it my all.

00:23:09.000 I want you to know how much the past 15 months have meant to me to work with and for you all has been incredible.

00:23:16.000 The past four months have been the biggest challenge I suspect most of us have ever faced, at least in our professional careers.

00:23:23.000 It is important to me that you know I tried my best.

00:23:26.000 I know you did as well.

00:23:27.000 I am sorry if I let you down.

00:23:29.000 Why now?

00:23:30.000 It's complicated.

00:23:31.000 The truth is that I no longer know how to help.

00:23:33.000 I will never forget any of you.

00:23:35.000 You are amazing.

00:23:36.000 The world needs you.

00:23:37.000 Take care of each other.

00:23:38.000 If I can ever be helpful to you at all, please reach out.

00:23:42.000 I hope our paths cross again." 0.92

00:23:44.000 And that's Dan Streck.

00:23:45.000 So you know him, obviously.

00:23:47.000 Yes, he worked for Goldman Sachs and he was the executive director that I hired in 2022.

00:23:56.000 2022.

00:23:56.000 So he's so, uh, I don't know.

00:23:57.000 Do you know anything about it?

00:23:59.000 He's resigning.

00:24:00.000 I mean, this is related to the lawsuit.

00:24:01.000 That's news to me.

00:24:06.000 You tell me what you think.

00:24:08.000 I don't know if this uh... So we're receiving it from another reporter and whistleblower.

00:24:13.000 Well April was a whistleblower for CBS News. 1.00

00:24:17.000 She was a whistleblower like two years ago. 1.00

00:24:19.000 She was a meteorologist and she went live on the air and said she's going to expose her own network.

00:24:23.000 So she's gone on to do other reporting.

00:24:25.000 We've not received confirmation from Project Veritas that he has resigned.

00:24:29.000 So other than that, I don't know if you can say it's confirmed or whether or not we know for sure that he's actually resigned, but it seems plausible at the very least.

00:24:38.000 I try to be a bit more careful on these things.

00:24:40.000 I'd rather have a statement from Project Veritas confirming, yes, he did resign.

00:24:40.000 Right.

00:24:43.000 Right.

00:24:44.000 I'd have to see what April... Is there a picture or something? 0.96

00:24:49.000 There's a screenshot of the resignation email.

00:24:52.000 Looks like from someone's very dirty laptop.

00:24:55.000 Yeah.

00:24:55.000 And then she just says she has obtained an exclusive copy of resignation letter from Dan Strick.

00:24:59.000 Well, if that's true, then Dan's resigned.

00:25:02.000 I mean, the number two guy at Peavey's is out.

00:25:05.000 I don't know when, but... I don't know when either.

00:25:07.000 It's interesting timing.

00:25:08.000 It's interesting timing.

00:25:10.000 I think it may be related to the lawsuit.

00:25:12.000 I mean, the role of a board in a nonprofit is to hire and fire the CEO, which is what a board should do.

00:25:17.000 What a board should not do is run the company.

00:25:20.000 You can't lead by committee.

00:25:21.000 It doesn't work.

00:25:23.000 So that's very interesting timing, and there's obviously more to the story there.

00:25:28.000 I think his resignation is probably related to the lawsuit, and I have to imagine it.

00:25:33.000 Look, if you work for Veritas, especially as Veritas is suing James O'Keefe, I mean, your career is going to get nuked.

00:25:40.000 Where are you gonna go?

00:25:42.000 Everyone in the media has lied about you and called you propaganda, fake news, and everything, so you're not going to CNN.

00:25:48.000 Now, Veritas is attacking its founder, who is beloved by the community, so you're basically saying if you keep working there... Well, there needs to be a leader.

00:25:57.000 There needs to be a person.

00:25:58.000 There needs to be a leader.

00:25:59.000 Like people, there needs to be a person.

00:26:02.000 Like my understanding of companies is that, again, if there's a board, they hire and fire the guy at the top.

00:26:09.000 So the question is, who's in charge?

00:26:12.000 A board doesn't run a company.

00:26:16.000 A board appoints the person that runs the company.

00:26:19.000 There's nobody running it now.

00:26:20.000 But there has to be.

00:26:23.000 Are we taking issue with the reality that there needs to be someone at the top?

00:26:28.000 Is that the issue?

00:26:30.000 Because whoever it is, they're going to be faced with the same dilemma that I had.

00:26:36.000 I have to raise a lot of money.

00:26:38.000 Let me go back to this.

00:26:39.000 I have to pay lawyers to defend myself with this deal.

00:26:42.000 I'm not a wealthy man.

00:26:43.000 I was raising $20-25 million a year.

00:26:45.000 but I was raising 20, 25 million a year.

00:26:48.000 That's a hundred thousand a day.

00:26:50.000 A hundred, that's, if you're working a 14 hour day, you know, that's thousands of thousands of dollars an hour.

00:26:56.000 So if I have to get from point A to point B, yeah, I'm gonna get in an SUV because I'm on the phone with sources while with my other phone on the phone with a donor while with my toe on the phone with an employee while typing on my laptop because that's what I do.

00:27:13.000 And you need someone who's gonna walk through walls.

00:27:18.000 And by the way, what is true?

00:27:21.000 And this is a mistake, I will admit a fault of mine.

00:27:25.000 On Monday morning, I don't ask how your weekend was.

00:27:28.000 I don't say, how was your Thanksgiving?

00:27:30.000 I probably did that twice.

00:27:33.000 Should a good leader ask you about that?

00:27:35.000 Probably.

00:27:36.000 But I'm so busy trying to raise money for all these fricking lawyers to defend myself from all these lawsuits because everyone wants me to fight back and stand on principle and stand on truth.

00:27:50.000 And not bend over and take it and settle.

00:27:53.000 So there's a price to pay to not bending over.

00:27:57.000 Do you think it was a mistake starting Veritas as a non-profit?

00:28:00.000 I don't regret anything in my life because everything that I have been through has taught me so much.

00:28:07.000 In many ways, this is not a new story.

00:28:11.000 There's nothing new under the sun.

00:28:12.000 But in many ways, this is a new story.

00:28:16.000 No one's ever gotten this far in the video game.

00:28:19.000 I mean, I'm happy that I went through what I went through.

00:28:23.000 Um, because I had at the time, you know, I had to go through that. 0.99

00:28:26.000 It was like, I was in a garage in a 300 square foot, like halfway house looking piece of shit garage 0.98

00:28:34.000 with negative equity. 0.98

00:28:36.000 And I'm like, well, I gotta make the video.

00:28:38.000 But in order to make the video, I gotta buy a microphone.

00:28:40.000 In order to buy the microphone, I gotta go get money.

00:28:42.000 In order to get money, I gotta raise money.

00:28:43.000 Okay, I put the video out.

00:28:44.000 Okay, now I'm being threatened with lawsuits.

00:28:46.000 I gotta raise the money to pay lawyers.

00:28:47.000 So what vehicle do I need to get to get the money to raise?

00:28:50.000 Okay, I get into 5-1-C-3.

00:28:51.000 Okay, to get a 5-1-C-3, I need a board.

00:28:54.000 It was like, you know, it was a means to an end.

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:57.000 And, you know, the way I see it now is, it's remarkable to see that over the span of, what, 13 years, 12 and a half, 13 years, you build up to the point of $25 million a year.

00:29:09.000 $7 million on lawyers.

00:29:13.000 On average, every year.

00:29:15.000 That's why everyone loves them.

00:29:16.000 Last year, it was in the last few years, four and a half, five, seven, seven million.

00:29:20.000 We file public tax returns.

00:29:21.000 Those are all public information at 990 tax return.

00:29:24.000 Seven million!

00:29:25.000 I had lawyers making over a million a year, which is double my salary.

00:29:30.000 Apparently some lawyers are still making some money off of Project Veritas.

00:29:30.000 You can look that up.

00:29:33.000 And I got to raise money to defend myself here.

00:29:36.000 The process is the punishment.

00:29:37.000 How are you going to raise half a million bucks?

00:29:40.000 People say, how do you do that?

00:29:41.000 If you go to my telegram page, there's a link.

00:29:43.000 There's a C4 that we have.

00:29:45.000 I'm not on the board.

00:29:46.000 I'll tweet it.

00:29:47.000 You can donate.

00:29:48.000 But Tim, I could write 30 war stories.

00:29:51.000 I was in court last September in DC.

00:29:53.000 Federal court, civil trial.

00:29:54.000 They sued me for breach of fiduciary duty.

00:29:57.000 I was in a sensory deprivation chamber, aka a federal courtroom, for like a week and a half in Washington, D.C., which is its own hellhole, because when you're in D.C.

00:30:12.000 for 24 hours, it's like a spiritual attack against you.

00:30:15.000 And there's a jury, and there's all these lawyers, and I'm on the witness stand And I could have probably settled the lawsuit, I don't know, for something, a couple hundred grand, maybe a hundred grand, but I chose to do what I thought was the right thing and not settle it and go to the Supreme Court if I had to.

00:30:35.000 Millions.

00:30:36.000 Over a million dollars spent.

00:30:38.000 It was the right thing to do.

00:30:41.000 But to do that, you have to walk through walls.

00:30:45.000 You have to do things that people don't want to do.

00:30:48.000 Like Michael Jordan said, you know, leadership has a price.

00:30:52.000 And victory has a price.

00:30:54.000 Are we willing to pay it?

00:31:01.000 News like what you do is so fleeting.

00:31:03.000 I mean, I think you do, but for the audience, the rhetorical you.

00:31:07.000 I've told this story before, because I've encountered this, literally talking to heads of media.

00:31:13.000 You get a guy who comes into, you get a journalist, or a media guy, and he goes to the investors and says, I want to do this investigative reporting and expose corporate and governmental malfeasance.

00:31:26.000 I need investment capital to get started.

00:31:30.000 And the venture capitalists and the business guys go, awesome, fantastic, this sounds really, really good.

00:31:34.000 So, what's our return?

00:31:35.000 And you say, well, you know, this kind of news does really, really well.

00:31:39.000 Millions of views, 10 million views, 20 million views, it's amazing.

00:31:43.000 And we can sign up people to be members, support our work.

00:31:45.000 So, you know, we could be looking at a very lucrative enterprise and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, but timeline wise, when are you going to get the story?

00:31:50.000 When's the first big scoop?

00:31:52.000 Right.

00:31:52.000 And you say, well, I don't know.

00:31:54.000 We have to do the investigation.

00:31:55.000 And they say, how much does that cost?

00:31:57.000 That's going to cost $300,000 for the preliminary investigation.

00:32:00.000 And they say, and how much do I get back from that?

00:32:01.000 Well, we don't know.

00:32:02.000 We're investigating a story.

00:32:03.000 We have no guarantee the story pans out the way we think it's going to.

00:32:06.000 That's right.

00:32:07.000 And they say, I am not going to invest millions of dollars or even $300,000 unless you tell me when I get my money back.

00:32:14.000 Then someone else walks in the room and says, don't listen to that guy.

00:32:17.000 I'm going to launch a news company, and I'm going to get you a two million dollar return in three years.

00:32:22.000 And they go, oh wow, how are you going to do it?

00:32:24.000 We're going to publish clickbait garbage nonsense and complain about people's politics. 0.98

00:32:27.000 Because it's cheap. 0.99

00:32:28.000 And they go, bang!

00:32:29.000 Because you work for Vice, right?

00:32:30.000 That's right.

00:32:31.000 Shane Smith.

00:32:32.000 Yep.

00:32:32.000 It's funny, Shane Smith, my executive assistant's name is Shane Smith with a Y, not an N-E.

00:32:36.000 And Vice's unique value proposition was, we go there.

00:32:39.000 I think I saw a billboard in New York Times, Times Square, we go there.

00:32:43.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:32:44.000 So their unique value proposition was they actually go on the location they're reporting on.

00:32:48.000 And then around 2014-15 is when things started to shift and they said, well, you know, and then they started relying, presumably, this is my opinion, more on Ridiculous clickbait articles.

00:33:03.000 So this is a really important point.

00:33:04.000 Investigative reporting is like outrageously expensive, like beyond what people can fathom.

00:33:10.000 Because even sending people like flights, hotels, you know, it costs a lot more nowadays.

00:33:15.000 Lawsuits.

00:33:16.000 I mean, we're talking, you're right, hundreds of thousands of dollars to do one story.

00:33:20.000 So if you're a businessman, if you're a venture capitalist and you want to make a profit on this, good luck.

00:33:26.000 Good luck to you.

00:33:27.000 You know what our budget was for a three-day shoot?

00:33:31.000 We got a story, boom, breaking.

00:33:33.000 There's civil unrest happening in this country.

00:33:35.000 The president may get ousted.

00:33:36.000 We're sending a crew down.

00:33:37.000 Fifty grand.

00:33:39.000 It's a bigger story.

00:33:40.000 It's going to take a week or two weekends.

00:33:42.000 A hundred, two hundred grand.

00:33:44.000 And that was cheap.

00:33:46.000 You've got salaries, camera equipment, travel.

00:33:50.000 You need, you got to have insurance on a $30,000 camera.

00:33:52.000 Not to mention lawsuits.

00:33:54.000 Legal.

00:33:54.000 You got people who are going to be detained entering the country.

00:33:56.000 You got people who are going to be pulled out by cops because they're covering this stuff.

00:33:59.000 You've got four people have to go there.

00:34:01.000 You've got security requirements.

00:34:02.000 You've got security briefings.

00:34:03.000 You've got health.

00:34:04.000 If you're going to Egypt, you got to go in for all these different vaccines.

00:34:08.000 If you're a businessman, and your purpose is... I wrote a book about this called American Mockraker.

00:34:13.000 In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, there was integrity. 0.84

00:34:16.000 There were bosses with what I call balls. 0.97

00:34:18.000 Maybe you prefer huevos, or testicular fortitude, whatever. 0.99

00:34:22.000 Huevos, eggs, balls. 0.99

00:34:25.000 Bosses with balls, okay? 1.00

00:34:26.000 I'm just gonna say balls. 1.00

00:34:27.000 People in the comments will be like, well, I don't have balls. 0.99

00:34:29.000 I'm a woman. 0.99

00:34:29.000 Okay, whatever. 0.99

00:34:31.000 What's a woman? 1.00

00:34:32.000 2023.

00:34:33.000 Whatever. 0.96

00:34:35.000 People had balls. 0.98

00:34:36.000 They would say, you know what, I'm, you know, the cigar and the fedora. 0.97

00:34:39.000 I'm going to spend that money because it's the right thing to do.

00:34:42.000 It's the right thing to do.

00:34:43.000 Doing the right thing is expensive.

00:34:45.000 It comes at a cost.

00:34:47.000 But it comes at a human cost.

00:34:49.000 But it was also, to a certain degree, vanity.

00:34:52.000 To a certain degree.

00:34:53.000 Because you had people running these institutions saying, we're going to be the best news organization that's ever been.

00:34:58.000 And that means going there.

00:34:59.000 That means doing the work.

00:35:02.000 But my philosophy was always since day one, day one, my core value, my tenet was, whatever it does cost, I will get that money to do that thing.

00:35:11.000 So that was my raison d'etre, was I'm gonna go do this project, or I'm gonna go get the story.

00:35:19.000 If it costs me 1.4 million to get it, I'll find a way to get the money so that I can do the thing.

00:35:24.000 Now, it's let's get the money.

00:35:27.000 Forget the thing, let's focus on the pursuit of that thing over there. 0.97

00:35:30.000 Journalism is anathema to the commercial imperative.

00:35:33.000 Yes, and you know what I think happens with, let's just say, insert hypothetical media nonprofit?

00:35:39.000 After a certain amount of years, people get involved, and they start saying, hey, we're making $25 million a year.

00:35:45.000 That story's a little bit risky.

00:35:47.000 I kind of like the way things are going.

00:35:48.000 That's big money.

00:35:50.000 Now, I never thought of it that way, because I work my... I work so hard, I mean, I...

00:35:57.000 I worked so hard to raise that, and I never celebrate getting a check.

00:36:03.000 I only celebrate getting the story.

00:36:04.000 And if someone on my team says, you got a check for a hundred grand, I said, no.

00:36:09.000 We celebrate when we get the stuff.

00:36:11.000 When we publish the story, that's when we celebrate.

00:36:14.000 But yeah, I mean, I guess you could think about it and you look at the numbers and go, wow, that's some big money.

00:36:18.000 Well, I can do that.

00:36:21.000 I can do that. 1.00

00:36:22.000 Hell with that guy. 1.00

00:36:22.000 He doesn't know anything. 1.00

00:36:23.000 He doesn't work in private equity.

00:36:24.000 He doesn't know management.

00:36:25.000 He didn't get a Harvard MBA.

00:36:26.000 I'm going to go in there and do that.

00:36:28.000 I bet.

00:36:30.000 It was very painful, but it was necessary for me to get to the next evolution of what I'm about to do.

00:36:38.000 I would be willing to bet that The near absolute majority of people who have given to Project Veritas, if they heard a story about James O'Keefe boarding a private jet to fly down for a vacation in Miami Beach with a nice suit and sunglasses, they'd be laughing and clapping, being like, this is exactly what the man deserves it.

00:37:00.000 This is success.

00:37:01.000 This is victory.

00:37:02.000 If someone like James O'Keefe can live in style with the work that he does, we're on the right track.

00:37:08.000 So the idea that you simply driving in a car was somehow offensive or detrimental to the organization is laughable to me.

00:37:15.000 What I was saying before is...

00:37:17.000 Look, if you launched a private company from the get-go, and you brought in members, and you ran it as a membership, you know, like you're doing now with OMG, you'd post a picture of yourself, top G, getting on a private jet with a Bugatti or whatever, and people would be going like, yes!

00:37:34.000 Like, not only are we winning, but James is flaunting his success to show all of the corruption and to inspire young people that there's a path of success to luxury.

00:37:44.000 Well, Elon Musk says the private Transportation is the one thing that can maximize your time because you can have two meetings or three meetings in a day.

00:37:51.000 Like there was one time I woke up in New York.

00:37:53.000 I went to Wisconsin.

00:37:53.000 I had a meeting.

00:37:54.000 I had a meeting.

00:37:55.000 I had Arizona.

00:37:56.000 I had three meetings in one day.

00:37:57.000 And you're running a company.

00:38:00.000 You're raising, spending $100,000 a day.

00:38:03.000 Your time, this is basic economics.

00:38:05.000 It's so valuable that it becomes imperative for you to get from this point to this point.

00:38:12.000 Obviously, everyone knows that.

00:38:14.000 But Tim, we did a story on OMG, speaking of my new company, we did a story on the FEC.

00:38:20.000 We knocked on doors.

00:38:22.000 And, you know, we just knocked on doors.

00:38:24.000 It was expensive.

00:38:25.000 We had to go to Maryland.

00:38:26.000 We got to go here.

00:38:27.000 We got to go there.

00:38:28.000 But now citizens are knocking on doors.

00:38:29.000 They're inspired.

00:38:30.000 They're running around the country.

00:38:31.000 What can I do?

00:38:33.000 It's a fraction of the budget of these media corporations, and we're still getting results.

00:38:39.000 This is what people need to realize. 0.98

00:38:41.000 The path to luxury, wealth, comfort, high society, has typically been for a long time, garbage. 0.99

00:38:50.000 It has been people going on TV with big fake butts, and that's fine if you like it, I got no beef. 0.97

00:38:56.000 But I've always asked myself, how come firefighters don't get paid more money?

00:39:01.000 Oh, it's like, oh, we can't put it in the budget.

00:39:03.000 We can't, well, the police salaries are super low.

00:39:05.000 These leftists want to abolish the police.

00:39:07.000 They complain about cops.

00:39:08.000 Like, well, cops don't get paid very well.

00:39:09.000 It's not a job people want to do and feel good and safe doing.

00:39:12.000 It's high risk.

00:39:13.000 Yet.

00:39:16.000 Athletes, celebrities get paid ridiculous amounts of money, and the person who is in a movie posts a video of themselves boarding a private jet with a fancy Dom Perignon or something, and everyone says, if I want to succeed and have wealth and luxury, you have to be a vapid pop culture salesman.

00:39:34.000 There's a lot more here that I could say that I'm not going to, because I really, sorry, there's a lot more here.

00:39:42.000 I don't wanna get into the, there's some things I could tell you

00:39:45.000 that would make you go, what?

00:39:47.000 But I don't wanna be goaded into going there because I think that's what the intent is here

00:39:55.000 to try to get me to do.

00:39:56.000 But there was something about like, people should be making the same money

00:40:00.000 or there shouldn't be a disparity of, the CEO shouldn't be having a different form of security

00:40:08.000 Well, this guy's getting attacked and his life's threatened.

00:40:12.000 So do we want to get paid equally?

00:40:15.000 So some of this doesn't make a lot of actual sense.

00:40:22.000 Institutional capture, man.

00:40:23.000 I mean, the Southern District of New York is where the FBI raided me, so now I'm being sued in the SDNY, a jury trial, in order to issue an injunction against me to stop exposing corruption.

00:40:39.000 Um, by the organization that I founded, which is, which mission is, the stated mission is to expose corruption, and they've issued an injunction to stop the founder from exposing corruption.

00:40:50.000 They have issued an injunction or?

00:40:51.000 Or, I'm sorry, they issued a federal lawsuit to request the federal courts to stop Um, investigative reporting.

00:40:59.000 Like, I always say, like, if you brought this stuff to Netflix, they would, like, laugh at you. 0.99

00:41:02.000 Like, this is crazy shit. 0.99

00:41:05.000 Um, but just another day in my life. 0.99

00:41:08.000 Just to wrap up my last point, we should be happy to see James relaxing on a private jet.

00:41:16.000 We should be like, you do good work, you stand up for something honorable, you help this country, you get rewarded for doing it.

00:41:24.000 Instead, and I don't mean to just put this on you, it's something everybody has in their mind, that if you're going to do non-profit work, you should be poor.

00:41:34.000 And not literally every single person, but I used to do non-profit fundraising.

00:41:38.000 And I have to explain to people, they're like, did you hear the CEO of that non-profit gets paid a million dollars?

00:41:42.000 And I was like, good, wow.

00:41:43.000 Which non-profit?

00:41:44.000 I didn't know you did that.

00:41:46.000 Oh, I did fundraising for a whole bunch.

00:41:48.000 I did fundraising for Greenpeace.

00:41:49.000 I worked for the PERG groups.

00:41:51.000 That's right.

00:41:52.000 A handful of others.

00:41:53.000 Some of those are 501c4s.

00:41:55.000 He had hidden cameras there.

00:41:56.000 He actually saw you working.

00:41:57.000 You would be surprised.

00:41:58.000 It's actually a good place to probably have some.

00:42:00.000 I think you're right, Tim.

00:42:01.000 I think there's nothing wrong with taking a helicopter home.

00:42:06.000 I know people who do that.

00:42:07.000 I won't name them, but that's a standard industry practice if you're a $20, $30, $40, $50 million company.

00:42:13.000 You get home so you can get a good night's sleep, so you can wake up fresh and go to work and go to meetings and go travel.

00:42:18.000 It's just part of business.

00:42:20.000 I think the issue is that people look at things like hopping on a private jet or a private car as luxury instead of necessity.

00:42:26.000 Well, what is the root of all socialism?

00:42:30.000 Envy.

00:42:31.000 Envy.

00:42:31.000 What is socialism really about?

00:42:33.000 It's about envy.

00:42:35.000 It's about hating the guy who's achieving something and successful, tearing him down.

00:42:41.000 When in reality, what we should be doing is lifting everybody up.

00:42:44.000 But my point is this, it's misplaced too.

00:42:48.000 So I get a request like, hey Tim, we want you to fly out here and come on this show.

00:42:51.000 And I'm like, okay, I only fly first class.

00:42:53.000 That's not because I'm like, I deserve to- Exactly.

00:42:56.000 It's because, okay, I'm gonna be working 16 hours today.

00:42:58.000 I can catch a red eye after work, but I gotta go to bed.

00:43:01.000 I'll sleep on the plane, which barely works. 0.79

00:43:03.000 And I wake up feeling like crap, but I'm willing to do that- It sounds like envy to me.

00:43:07.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:43:08.000 That's an envy thing.

00:43:09.000 which has no place in strategy or corporate governance or anything like that.

00:43:17.000 That's an emotional thing.

00:43:20.000 Well, tell us about OMG now.

00:43:22.000 OMG has been very successful.

00:43:25.000 Got my swag here.

00:43:27.000 OMG, O'Keefe Media Group, so that when they type in OMG, it can't be censored because it's a commonly used acronym on social media.

00:43:34.000 That's brilliant.

00:43:35.000 And this is a very ambitious vision.

00:43:40.000 Which is to effectively create Uber for journalism.

00:43:45.000 So instead of just everyone being on my payroll, I want to equip everyone to go do what I do.

00:43:50.000 So I get hundreds of messages a day, please investigate the school board in Utah.

00:43:56.000 I had a lot of Canadians message me today, that was interesting.

00:43:59.000 And what we want to do is equip them, give them cameras, and to go have them go do this and open source my knowledge.

00:44:05.000 So everything I've learned about what I do, I'm producing a series of masterclasses on ethics, law, technology, and I'm teaching people how to do this because I think it does require some skills.

00:44:16.000 It requires being trained and educated, and I'm going to open source that.

00:44:20.000 I'm going to put it behind a paywall, okiefmediagroup.com.

00:44:22.000 You can subscribe.

00:44:23.000 It's $20 a month.

00:44:25.000 And you can get access to this information.

00:44:28.000 We have a database of like 1,100 people and we're deploying them.

00:44:33.000 And we're doing, as I speak, they're in the field recording follow-ups on Pfizer, the FDA, the government, the deep state, the administrative state, the three-letter agencies, school boards, teachers, media companies.

00:44:46.000 We want to help everyone, but when people say, hey, James, can you please go do this story?

00:44:50.000 Now I'm saying, no, you go do that story.

00:44:53.000 It's on you.

00:44:54.000 I'll give you a camera.

00:44:55.000 I'll ship the $500 camera.

00:44:57.000 I'll teach you, but you gotta figure it out.

00:44:59.000 Because I can't do it all myself.

00:45:01.000 It's not sustainable.

00:45:02.000 One of our biggest stories is now getting Congress to act.

00:45:05.000 This is the Act Blue donations that were being funneled.

00:45:10.000 Into individuals with like 10,000 donations on their name and things like that.

00:45:14.000 That's crazy.

00:45:14.000 How did you find out about that?

00:45:15.000 That was found out by a citizen journalist in Wisconsin, Election Watch.

00:45:19.000 Peter is his name.

00:45:21.000 Just went on the FEC website.

00:45:22.000 He's like, well, that's odd.

00:45:23.000 This one guy.

00:45:24.000 This modest guy in Annapolis has made like 10,000 donations, and I just went to knock on his door.

00:45:31.000 And they said, well, I'd like to donate that many times, but I didn't.

00:45:36.000 Yeah.

00:45:37.000 So it's leading to congressional action now.

00:45:39.000 Yeah, right on.

00:45:40.000 I mean, imagine if the rest of the media actually did that and followed those leads instead of publishing articles on why Star Trek was racist.

00:45:47.000 But that's the thing, writing an article about Star Trek being racist is super easy.

00:45:52.000 Money, yep.

00:45:54.000 And what's happening is this kind of media is becoming dominant, and then it results in surface-level understanding of the world, hyperpolarization, and people focusing on things that are substantially less important.

00:46:09.000 You get YouTube channels where they're like, we're gonna make our 160th video about Dave Rubin!

00:46:14.000 And I'm like, but Dave Rubin's a guy on YouTube!

00:46:18.000 Like, you could talk about the president.

00:46:19.000 You know, I think we talked about David Pakman, and I unfairly criticized him for talking about Trump so much, and now I realize, no, that's actually fine.

00:46:28.000 Like, if you're going to talk about the president a thousand times, I totally get it.

00:46:32.000 You're right.

00:46:33.000 You should.

00:46:34.000 If you're going to talk about AOC, if you're going to talk about people in positions of power and authority, heads of industry, that I understand.

00:46:41.000 If you're going to claim that a YouTuber who ranks at like number 1,000, no, that's just that's just vapid e-drama.

00:46:48.000 But it's easy to make.

00:46:50.000 It riles people up at the lowest common denominator, it makes money, and it's very difficult to do the research to do the groundwork.

00:46:57.000 People want to hear their opinion being uttered by somebody else, but that doesn't actually change anything.

00:47:02.000 I mean, why don't journalists do this?

00:47:04.000 My theory is they don't do it because...

00:47:06.000 If you actually point a camcorder or a hidden camera in any direction in a bureau or a government office, it'll contradict what you see on television.

00:47:16.000 Like reality contradicts narrative.

00:47:18.000 The other thing is I think I've always said that we hold a mirror up to people and they don't like what it is that they see.

00:47:26.000 They hate the person who holds the mirror up to them.

00:47:29.000 So, I mean, going back to the citizen journalist thing, we had people that are so humbled that we reached out to them.

00:47:34.000 This Texas people I was speaking to, there's a group of people exposing something local in Texas, and she was shocked that OMG, that James O'Keefe would send her a camera like, well, you're going after like Pfizer and the Pentagon and the deep state, so why would you talk to us?

00:47:47.000 I was like, well, you gotta start local, gotta go to your local school board meeting, right?

00:47:50.000 But Tim, you were downstairs with me and I was on the Twitter spaces and And someone said, well, I don't know where to start.

00:47:56.000 And I said, have you gone to your school board meeting yet?

00:47:58.000 And she said, no, I didn't know I could.

00:48:00.000 Don't have to have a kid in school.

00:48:01.000 I was like, no, you're a taxpayer.

00:48:03.000 Go to your school board meeting.

00:48:05.000 Put on these little cameras and talk to people in the hallway and see what you come up with.

00:48:09.000 So we're starting there.

00:48:10.000 Do you hire them or do you have them as contractors or do you just send them stuff to get started?

00:48:16.000 We have a form on our website, okiefmediagroup.com.

00:48:18.000 You click on the link and there's a citizen journalist request form. 1.00

00:48:21.000 And we just ship them a camera provided they're not insane or stupid. 1.00

00:48:28.000 Insane or stupid. 1.00

00:48:30.000 We'll send you a camera and you know you'll have to maybe perhaps sign a waiver. 1.00

00:48:35.000 And then we'll pay you.

00:48:36.000 We had a young woman in Minnesota record her official in college saying, shhh transgender person will be in your room as your roommate, but we won't tell you that they're transgender.

00:48:49.000 Saying this to her and she recorded it.

00:48:52.000 Wow.

00:48:53.000 And we paid her a thousand bucks.

00:48:55.000 For the footage?

00:48:55.000 For the footage.

00:48:56.000 Okay.

00:48:57.000 Well I think that's a very important mission because you're putting a lot of emphasis on what's happening at the local level and it's good to focus on national politics, obviously everyone in this room does that, but for individual people in any given community to be involved with their school board and then also be able to see like undercover journalism on what's going on at their school board I think is incredibly valuable.

00:49:22.000 I think so, too.

00:49:23.000 It's so necessary.

00:49:23.000 Dude, all I want is, because I'm a big fan of Veritas, the people I know at Veritas, I love them, the people I met.

00:49:29.000 The people, I mean, obviously you, you're like my brother.

00:49:32.000 I mean, I don't know, we know each other pretty well.

00:49:34.000 Band of brothers.

00:49:34.000 Yes.

00:49:35.000 You did Henry the… The Simple Few for part two.

00:49:37.000 The Simple Few, yes.

00:49:39.000 And I want you guys, Succeedo Keef, do you think that there's a way for these organizations to both just keep firing on all cylinders?

00:49:46.000 Absolutely.

00:49:48.000 I wish them well.

00:49:50.000 I hope they do what they do.

00:49:51.000 I want everyone to do this.

00:49:54.000 I think everyone should do this.

00:49:55.000 I don't think people should stop people from doing this.

00:49:58.000 I don't think it's against the First Amendment to stop journalism and stop trying to use the federal courts to stop journalists.

00:50:07.000 I've been sued so many times in my life.

00:50:10.000 I had the Teachers Union of Michigan file an injunction against me in 2017.

00:50:14.000 Randy Weingarten actually filed a restraining order against me because I published a document showing they paid off $50,000 to someone who's accused of raping a child.

00:50:25.000 Wow.

00:50:25.000 And they issued an injunction in federal court Against me.

00:50:29.000 Now, I've defeated that injunction.

00:50:30.000 They were demanding an injunction.

00:50:32.000 Well, they initially got it.

00:50:34.000 It was a temporary restraining order in federal court in Michigan.

00:50:37.000 This is still going on!

00:50:40.000 Five years later, I haven't settled the case.

00:50:42.000 Now, I'm not in charge there anymore.

00:50:44.000 But you see what's at stake here?

00:50:46.000 Oh, so you're out.

00:50:46.000 It's like, okay, Veritas, it's all yours.

00:50:48.000 Well, no, but I didn't want that to be the case.

00:50:50.000 No, I know, yeah.

00:50:51.000 But whoever is in charge has to now deal with this dichotomy of, okay, I gotta raise ridiculous amounts of money to fight on principle, or I can settle and give up.

00:51:03.000 So in Michigan, this was a document where it was paid off 50 grand.

00:51:07.000 We got the guy on hidden camera saying he knows what he did.

00:51:10.000 We publish the story, we get sued.

00:51:12.000 No one comes to our defense.

00:51:14.000 Hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:51:15.000 I'm deposed.

00:51:16.000 I go through depositions with these lawyers for the teachers unions, and that's its own form of torture.

00:51:24.000 But that's the price you pay.

00:51:28.000 So for this company, OMG, for O'Keefe Media Group, is it like you're obviously private right now?

00:51:33.000 Do you have any ambition to take it public?

00:51:39.000 That's such a... I'm taking it one week, one month at a time, probably not.

00:51:44.000 I mean, I have trust issues right now with ownership.

00:51:49.000 I 100% own it.

00:51:50.000 I haven't taken on any debt.

00:51:54.000 No equity.

00:51:55.000 We had a very successful launch.

00:51:57.000 We have thousands of paid subscribers, which is pretty good for an organic launch.

00:52:01.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 And we'll take it from there.

00:52:03.000 We do have a 5.1c3 and c4 that I'm not on the board of.

00:52:06.000 I posted that link to my Twitter.

00:52:08.000 Liberty Guards is c4.

00:52:10.000 They're gonna help pay for legal defense to pay for lawyers and private citizen, which is a 5.1c3. 0.78

00:52:16.000 Liberty Guard and Private Citizen.

00:52:18.000 If you want to donate and get a tax deduction to help pay our legal costs, you can donate to those organizations.

00:52:24.000 Are you with them?

00:52:25.000 Do you work for them?

00:52:26.000 No.

00:52:28.000 Their mission is to defend citizens who are being under attack and being silenced, like in this case.

00:52:35.000 So they'll take donations to support paying the attorneys.

00:52:39.000 It's just insane how much of this is lawyers and just legal fees.

00:52:42.000 Non-stop.

00:52:46.000 People have no idea.

00:52:47.000 I didn't.

00:52:47.000 I mean, well, I knew that for what you were doing, you ended up getting sued a number of times, so I figured that that was a problem for you.

00:52:53.000 I didn't realize how much that added up to.

00:52:55.000 I know the legal system's expensive.

00:52:58.000 This case in 2019, jury verdict in North Carolina.

00:53:02.000 None of you knew this.

00:53:03.000 It was like a jury verdict Woman sues me for defamation for quoting.

00:53:07.000 I quoted, we quoted Scott Fovill.

00:53:09.000 And Scott Fovill is saying what he said.

00:53:11.000 And they sued me, I don't know why they're suing me, they should sue Scott Fovill.

00:53:14.000 And it gets all the way, I had to fight it for like two years, it goes all the way right before the verdict, the jury's coming out of the box, and the federal judge gavels the case and goes, and I'm paraphrasing, Federal judge article three judge says can someone please tell me why we're here Wow, and and the lawyers the plaintiffs lawyers.

00:53:33.000 These are these are like the Hillary Clinton sort of make money group I don't know how this old woman could afford like five lawyers. 1.00

00:53:40.000 That's another story.

00:53:40.000 I had two one of them was blind and And that was intentional because the jury sympathized with him as much as they did her.

00:53:47.000 Justice is blind.

00:53:49.000 And the judge goes, if you sued, this is directed at, this is a transcript, directed at the lawyers, if you sued Mike Wallace, I realize Mike Wallace is dead, 60 minutes, but if you sued Mike Wallace for what you're suing James O'Keefe for, everyone would laugh at you.

00:54:05.000 And you should have seen the look on these lawyers' faces.

00:54:08.000 They were like, whoa, we didn't expect that.

00:54:11.000 So sometimes you have to fight it all the way to the end.

00:54:13.000 Do you win legal fees?

00:54:14.000 It took, last year we won back 15 grand.

00:54:19.000 Because in the United States... It's capped?

00:54:21.000 Yeah, right.

00:54:22.000 You don't, you don't, we got administrative fees back.

00:54:24.000 Oh, so that covered what?

00:54:25.000 One response life?

00:54:26.000 Like faxes and like copy scans and things like that.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, I think people need to understand this.

00:54:32.000 If someone sends you a demand letter or a threat or an intent to file, and you go to your lawyer and say, okay, how should we respond to this?

00:54:39.000 They'll say, well, we'll draft a response.

00:54:41.000 15 grand.

00:54:42.000 That's why everyone loves lawyers so much.

00:54:42.000 Bang.

00:54:44.000 Yep.

00:54:45.000 Well, I don't blame the lawyers.

00:54:47.000 You've got a firm of people.

00:54:49.000 They got three people on it.

00:54:50.000 The really good lawyers charge a lot of money because they're really good and you want to win.

00:54:54.000 I mean, look, I get it, but I'm just saying it's absurd.

00:54:58.000 It's ridiculous how expensive it all is.

00:55:00.000 But there's a point buried there that I want your audience to understand.

00:55:03.000 I had to fight it all the way.

00:55:05.000 I think that I'm saying the cost of the total cost of that one deal, 1.5 mil.

00:55:14.000 1.5 million.

00:55:15.000 To do the right thing cost me 1.5 million.

00:55:18.000 And what did I get?

00:55:19.000 I got a check for 15 grand four years later and crickets.

00:55:22.000 And I'm not complaining.

00:55:24.000 I'm not a victim.

00:55:25.000 I don't want your pity.

00:55:27.000 I don't want your sympathy.

00:55:27.000 I am trying to make a point.

00:55:30.000 Do you know how many late night dinners How many car rides, how many airplane trips away from my loved ones that I had to take to raise that money to pay those lawyers?

00:55:41.000 And by the way, more power to the lawyers.

00:55:43.000 It's the free market.

00:55:44.000 They deserve to get paid $1,000 an hour and they won.

00:55:48.000 But the price that has to be paid is so central to the journalism itself.

00:55:55.000 You can't tell the story without also paying that price.

00:55:58.000 And nobody gets that.

00:56:00.000 But James, wouldn't you have rather spent a million and a half dollars on like some beachfront property and a landline or something?

00:56:09.000 I could have.

00:56:11.000 I could have spent that money on a hundred other things.

00:56:15.000 But I cared so much In that federal Article 3 judge, Reitzinger was his name, reading the Riot Act to those lawyers.

00:56:24.000 And by the way, cameras are not allowed in federal courtrooms.

00:56:26.000 I wish they were.

00:56:27.000 But there's a transcript, you can read it.

00:56:30.000 I think there's relatively few people left who admire the abstract when it comes to value.

00:56:38.000 I think you're one of them.

00:56:39.000 And what I mean is, As I mentioned before, vanity played a role in why news organizations would do serious investigations, why they would expose government malfeasance, why they would publish the Pentagon Papers or the Afghan war logs and things like that.

00:56:52.000 And it was that It feels good to be recognized for doing something good, and we've lost, and we're losing a lot of that in our society.

00:57:02.000 So, my assumption, James, is that when it comes on like this, I feel similarly.

00:57:07.000 I say this, would I rather have, like, I don't know, a Ferrari in an infinity pool, or would I rather have really great journalists?

00:57:13.000 Do you know that when that gavel came down, it's called a Rule 50 directed verdict.

00:57:13.000 Justice.

00:57:18.000 Directed verdict means, you know, a judgment notwithstanding the verdict, or right before the verdict.

00:57:23.000 And the judge dismissed the case.

00:57:25.000 Everyone that worked with me in that courtroom was crying.

00:57:25.000 Wow.

00:57:28.000 I was crying.

00:57:29.000 Russ Verney, at the time, was our head of our legal department, was crying.

00:57:35.000 My blind lawyer was hugging me.

00:57:38.000 I cannot describe the feeling it felt like to be in the right, because every once in a while there is a taste of justice.

00:57:45.000 But how did it get so far?

00:57:46.000 That's a rhetorical question.

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:50.000 Our system is a little broken.

00:57:52.000 And the system of justice is broken, and that's horrible.

00:57:55.000 Couldn't this judge right away just been like, summary dismissal, get out of my courtroom?

00:57:59.000 Right away.

00:57:59.000 He's got a duty to get those lawyers paid, let's be honest.

00:58:02.000 Well, motion to dismiss.

00:58:03.000 You could have won on motion to dismiss.

00:58:04.000 I mean, I was prejudiced.

00:58:06.000 Get out of my courtroom, don't come back. 1.00

00:58:08.000 We also sued the New York Times for defamation and got past motion to dismiss.

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 And I was about to head toward, you know, Tucker Carlson was removed from Fox News and we see all these text messages, right?

00:58:17.000 And let me, let me go through all your phones, Daily Beast, New York Times reporters, and look at your text messages to people.

00:58:25.000 Let me, let me see what you want.

00:58:26.000 If you want to live in, let's live in that world.

00:58:28.000 And I was going there, but I'm not in charge anymore.

00:58:33.000 Oh, so that lawsuit's still ongoing?

00:58:34.000 Yeah.

00:58:35.000 Wow.

00:58:36.000 I mean, this could be a big part of it.

00:58:39.000 I mean, somebody meets with somebody else and they say, hey, look, man, this O'Keeffe thing's really bad for everybody.

00:58:45.000 Why don't we grease your wheels a little bit and you make it go away? 0.99

00:58:47.000 And then what's it worth?

00:58:49.000 It's crazy, the way that 501c3s are organized, it's like no-fault divorce.

00:58:54.000 You need three people to start a thing and then the two of them can immediately get you thrown out. 0.85

00:58:59.000 I don't even think, they just come together and they're like, we had a board meeting, you're out.

00:59:03.000 And you're like, dude, I just paid six grand to start this thing.

00:59:06.000 And they're like, yeah, we decided you're out.

00:59:09.000 Where's the charity?

00:59:10.000 I understand you can get free money donated, but... I don't trust non-profits.

00:59:15.000 I'm in the process of starting one right now, and it's like, jeez, I'm sweating.

00:59:18.000 It's insane.

00:59:19.000 It's so insane.

00:59:20.000 You have to find really strong people, and the question is, how do you evaluate whether someone is strong?

00:59:26.000 I mean, you don't really know until you go through hell with them, so you have to go through that to establish whether they have Testicular fortitude.

00:59:34.000 You know that Henry V quote we were reciting?

00:59:38.000 Hold their manhoods cheap. 0.70

00:59:40.000 You're the impressionist, right?

00:59:42.000 I don't know if I can do him.

00:59:43.000 For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother.

00:59:46.000 This story shall the good man teach his son.

00:59:49.000 For he today who goes through hell with me shall be my brother.

00:59:53.000 Be him ne'er so vile, however low-born a man may be, this day shall make him a man.

00:59:58.000 And gentlemen in England, now abed, shall stand to curse they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap, while any speaks that fought with us on this day.

01:00:09.000 The people that remain by my side, you know, like Arcee, and I'm getting emotional here, but they're like, they're like my brothers.

01:00:18.000 They have been through hell.

01:00:20.000 They have been through absolute hell, and I have seen such goodness in people, while also seeing evil.

01:00:31.000 But the things that keep me going is the goodness, you know, in people.

01:00:35.000 And there's a lot of good people out there, you know?

01:00:38.000 What's some of the best stuff you've seen?

01:00:42.000 The people out there in the country who Who message me and say, I will always have your back, and I want to do what you do.

01:00:52.000 And I need your help to do it.

01:00:53.000 Those are people who keep me going.

01:00:56.000 Are you inspiring people to start their own companies?

01:00:59.000 I want to inspire people to go do what I do, because I think they can take down one man, but they can't take down thousands of people.

01:01:09.000 I think they can defeat one man, but they can't defeat an army of people.

01:01:15.000 Or multi-million dollar lawsuits, massive multinational corporations.

01:01:19.000 I'm ultimately not worried about the money because I think it can be raised.

01:01:23.000 It's not a zero-sum game.

01:01:27.000 If I have to raise $50 million, I'll raise it.

01:01:30.000 Whatever it takes, we'll do it to get the job done.

01:01:34.000 Because there's so many people in this country, like I go to the airports and TSA and backseat of Uber.

01:01:40.000 I mean, the people that like, even, I'm sure you get recognized all the time, Tim, but like, it's crazy.

01:01:45.000 I mean, I had dinner the other night in a restaurant, someone came, 10 times in a row, they came up to me.

01:01:51.000 And they all say, please never give up.

01:01:53.000 Please stop doing, don't ever stop doing what you're doing.

01:01:56.000 Please don't ever give up.

01:01:57.000 They're begging me.

01:01:59.000 Not to give up.

01:02:00.000 So that keeps me going, and I went to a small farm store about six, seven months ago, and was in there just shopping, little local produce stuff.

01:02:12.000 They asked me what I did, and I was like, oh, you know, I do a political show and stuff, and they're like, oh, really cool, really cool, what's it called?

01:02:18.000 And I said, it's all called Tim Cass, and they're like, oh, that's really, really great, and, you know, what do you talk about?

01:02:22.000 And I was like, oh, this, that, or otherwise, and they're like, you know who I love?

01:02:24.000 And I was like, who?

01:02:25.000 And they're like, James O'Keefe.

01:02:27.000 He's so great.

01:02:28.000 Do you know James O'Keefe?"

01:02:29.000 I'm like, I've heard of him, yeah.

01:02:31.000 He's really great.

01:02:32.000 And they were like, we need more people like him.

01:02:34.000 And I'm just sitting here like, this is really cool.

01:02:36.000 Yeah, I know that guy.

01:02:36.000 The balance is like, because people are going to name their kids after you, probably you too, Tim, but like your ego.

01:02:43.000 How do you balance your ego?

01:02:43.000 Come on, man.

01:02:45.000 Like I imagine the last couple of years was fucking insane for you. 0.93

01:02:48.000 Like just so much pressure and focus on you and your name and like the, That's a good question. 0.96

01:02:54.000 And in many ways you have to be wired a certain way.

01:02:58.000 I think if you're an artist, you're not a political person, I think the game, the process they put you through Prevent your ego from being a thing in the first place because the responsive power is nothing more than responsibility.

01:03:13.000 So when you're when you have to raise a hundred grand a day like that'll mess up your ego.

01:03:17.000 Because I gotta wake up at 6 a.m.

01:03:19.000 I gotta work till 1 in the morning.

01:03:20.000 I gotta run the company, be the face, be the talent and deal with all these lawsuits.

01:03:24.000 When you're a witness in federal court, that'll get your ego destroyed real fast.

01:03:29.000 Um, you, you, you, you, people don't realize that power is nothing more than just responsibility.

01:03:39.000 And when you have all this response, I mean, the FBI came to my apartment, point guns at me, take my stuff.

01:03:46.000 A sword of Damocles hangs over your head and at any moment in time, and then you think, oh, they're going to get me on obstruction of justice and perjury.

01:03:53.000 That process will humble you real fast.

01:03:59.000 Your office is destroyed by a hurricane.

01:04:00.000 Mine was.

01:04:02.000 I had to rebuild it.

01:04:06.000 Your ego will get destroyed.

01:04:09.000 And I think I'm a fortunate man because this process I've been through over the last six months, it humbled me, but it didn't destroy me.

01:04:19.000 And I think that's rare for a man to go through that.

01:04:23.000 Yeah, there's a really great quote, what you're saying reminds me of, the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said that maturity is pain plus responsibility, and I think that rings true here.

01:04:35.000 A lot of people have pain inflicted upon them, but then they don't carry it in a responsible way, and so they never develop as they need to.

01:04:42.000 They want all of the power with none of the accompanying responsibility.

01:04:45.000 And it's nothing but responsibility when you're in charge of an outfit like that.

01:04:50.000 And it is a spiritual war now.

01:04:52.000 And humility is an ingredient for a work ethic, I think.

01:04:56.000 You said a moment ago that something to the effect of money is responsibility or power is responsibility?

01:05:03.000 I think there's an interesting moral dichotomy.

01:05:06.000 The left views doesn't agree with the idea of power being responsibility.

01:05:12.000 They believe power is something to be is for them to wield for their own luxuries and desires.

01:05:19.000 And then there are people on this side who view it as a responsibility to those who have who have Given you a portion of their power so that you can concentrate that.

01:05:30.000 I think about that with what we do here and what our goals are.

01:05:34.000 I see that in what you do with what your goals are.

01:05:37.000 That every day, and I'll get as nerdy as possible for all the anime fans, it is Goku doing the Spirit Bomb.

01:05:43.000 For those that aren't familiar, it's in Dragon Ball Z when Goku asks all of the life of the world to lend him power so that he can defeat the bad guy.

01:05:51.000 That's how I view power.

01:05:53.000 Those are the things I grew up seeing.

01:05:54.000 And, you know, I know it's dorky, nerdy, whatever, for people who aren't fans of anime, but the idea is, as a child, I'm growing up looking up to the heroes who say, please, but a small piece of your power so that I can do something great.

01:06:07.000 The responsibility to wield that power responsibly, the requirement that you do it, Is a moral obligation in my opinion.

01:06:16.000 So for everybody who gives to TimCast.com and becomes members, sure.

01:06:21.000 I could say, we're a for-profit company, I deserve this money, I built it, I'm gonna do whatever I want with it.

01:06:26.000 I don't.

01:06:27.000 We launched the TimCast Newsroom, which is a financial detriment, in a sense.

01:06:33.000 We lose money having journalists do this work.

01:06:36.000 As you should.

01:06:37.000 But we have to do it, because there's two ways I see it.

01:06:40.000 One, we do an opinion news commentary show.

01:06:44.000 It is not the hard, groundbreaking journals that Project Veritas was doing under you, or what you're doing now with OMG.

01:06:50.000 But I think you're probably one of the best in the business when it comes to that beat.

01:06:54.000 I appreciate it, but I also recognize we have to, as people are basically saying like, we love this show and what you talk about.

01:07:02.000 We're going to give you a small piece of the power that we've accrued so that you can wield it.

01:07:06.000 I don't immediately say something like, oh man, it'd be really cool if I built like a massive skyscraper with an infinity pool.

01:07:11.000 I think let's hire a whole bunch of journalists and take that energy and focus it into something massively net positive for the world.

01:07:18.000 That's why even when it comes to like the coffee company we started, I'm in the hole $250,000 on starting The Coffee Company because we need to build products that compete in the cultural space.

01:07:30.000 I'm in the hole another couple hundred thousand on starting The Coffee Shop because we need to compete with woke corporations.

01:07:36.000 You know, I think about it all the time.

01:07:37.000 I'm like, man, if I shut all this down and just did one small YouTube channel where I made three videos per day, I would live like a king and never have to sweat ever again.

01:07:48.000 Someone has to be calling out what they see as injustice.

01:07:53.000 Someone has to be like you, James, actually doing the work and inspiring others to go and build strong moral frameworks for our country and inspire people to be good people and to do the right thing.

01:08:04.000 And that is, we have an obligation to the people of our country and our planet To use our abilities for the betterment of the world and for the people with great, I'll say it like this, with great power comes great responsibility.

01:08:19.000 But power isn't just one day you stumbled across a winning lottery ticket.

01:08:23.000 Power isn't just you made a lot of money at your job.

01:08:25.000 Power is you're talented, you're smart, you're capable.

01:08:28.000 I believe that we as humans have an obligation to, to the best of our abilities, use our gifts so that we can make the world better for everybody else.

01:08:36.000 Absolutely.

01:08:37.000 I mean, that's an important Christian belief.

01:08:40.000 We will be held accountable for our talents at the end of our life.

01:08:43.000 It's how we use them.

01:08:44.000 It's their gift.

01:08:45.000 Not to shy away from some kinds of pain.

01:08:47.000 You guys were mentioning pain earlier.

01:08:49.000 How did you phrase that?

01:08:50.000 Oh, yeah, I quoted the Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen, or Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen.

01:08:55.000 He said that maturity is pain plus responsibility.

01:08:58.000 I've been thinking about pain because there's different kinds of pain.

01:09:00.000 There's some types of pain that are like, stop doing this.

01:09:03.000 Whatever is happening right now, make it stop, because this is an indication of pain that there's damage being done.

01:09:07.000 Then there's other kind of pain that indicates growth, like the breakdown of muscle so that it can regrow.

01:09:12.000 It's very true.

01:09:13.000 If you can withstand that kind of pain and understand the difference between that and actual warning signs.

01:09:13.000 Yeah.

01:09:19.000 Another thing that Roseanne Barr told me recently was that, and I hope I'm not breaking her confidence, but I intend to visit with her in Texas soon, Like, she's a creative, I'm a creative.

01:09:30.000 I don't know about, I assume you're creatively motivated.

01:09:33.000 We're creative, we make music and art.

01:09:35.000 Right, right.

01:09:35.000 You have your music business and everything.

01:09:37.000 I mean, I'm a creative, so that's what motivates me.

01:09:40.000 I'm motivated by creating the project, telling the story, doing the thing.

01:09:45.000 Creative people, this whole process has created a little disillusionment in me, which at first I thought, well, that's not good, because am I gonna lose my idealism?

01:09:54.000 But Roseanne Barr told me that what makes a great artist, if you're an artist, illusion separates you from God and separates you from reality.

01:10:05.000 If you're getting rid of your illusions, you're gonna do a better job of capturing reality.

01:10:12.000 And we are witness to reality.

01:10:14.000 If you're a reporter, you're reporting on the truth, you're reporting on the world around you.

01:10:17.000 If you're an artist, you're doing the good, the true and the beautiful.

01:10:20.000 So to be disillusioned, I think, is a good thing.

01:10:23.000 It's a sign of wisdom.

01:10:25.000 And to your point about muscle, that's a great metaphor.

01:10:27.000 Like, I totally agree with that.

01:10:29.000 You go through, I mean, the pain, it's like, beyond.

01:10:34.000 The Sword of Damocles, the FBI, that's still ongoing.

01:10:36.000 I'm still under federal criminal investigation, like, three years later.

01:10:39.000 They have all my stuff.

01:10:41.000 The Sword of Damocles, it's painful, but you become stronger for it, and it's gonna prepare you for the next thing, which is worse.

01:10:48.000 But hey, Your muscles are bigger.

01:10:50.000 By the way, do you guys know where the gym is?

01:10:52.000 Dude, Jason O'Keefe, by the way, ripping up 20 pounds of muscle off my body.

01:10:57.000 Do I look like I know where the gym is, James?

01:10:58.000 Come on.

01:11:00.000 Are you religious, man?

01:11:02.000 I am.

01:11:02.000 I am a religious man.

01:11:03.000 Yes, I'm a believer.

01:11:05.000 Were you always?

01:11:07.000 I don't know.

01:11:08.000 I don't know how to answer that.

01:11:10.000 I think it's changed throughout my life.

01:11:14.000 Do you find that you've become more spiritual?

01:11:17.000 Definitely.

01:11:19.000 Definitely.

01:11:20.000 Especially in the last year and a half.

01:11:22.000 I don't know what pill there is.

01:11:26.000 White, black, red, green.

01:11:27.000 I don't know how many pills there are.

01:11:28.000 All sorts of colors.

01:11:29.000 I don't even know what that means.

01:11:31.000 The moment it hit me, the moment I was like, whoa.

01:11:35.000 Because I've been doing this since I was college.

01:11:37.000 It was when I was banned from Twitter in April of 2021.

01:11:41.000 That's when it hit me. 0.99

01:11:43.000 I was like, shit's about to get real. 0.99

01:11:46.000 That was the moment for me. 0.99

01:11:48.000 For whatever reason, I woke up.

01:11:49.000 I was like, oh my god, they took away my main distribution mechanism.

01:11:53.000 And then Elon led us back on December 2022, a month before the Pfizer story, which was God's timing.

01:12:01.000 That was your biggest story, right?

01:12:01.000 Providential.

01:12:02.000 Praise Jesus.

01:12:03.000 That was the biggest.

01:12:04.000 That was 40, 50 million views.

01:12:06.000 Wow.

01:12:07.000 Which is like more views than like the World Cup scoring video.

01:12:11.000 Like that was by a factor of 20.

01:12:12.000 White Hill.

01:12:15.000 Crazy, white pill? 0.73

01:12:16.000 That moment is the white pill, the moment of optimism.

01:12:20.000 You begin to feel that you're on the path of success and that goodness is forthcoming.

01:12:25.000 And I confronted that Pfizer guy in the restaurant in New York.

01:12:28.000 I don't know if you guys remember this.

01:12:30.000 And they locked you in.

01:12:30.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:12:31.000 They locked me in the restaurant.

01:12:33.000 If you haven't seen this, it's like a sitcom.

01:12:35.000 It's wild.

01:12:36.000 And the guy's like a high up at Pfizer and they lock me in, which is like, I guess, false imprisonment in Brooklyn.

01:12:42.000 This is in Dumbo, Brooklyn.

01:12:44.000 And I'm being locked in the restaurant, and the guy is smashing... he takes the iPad out of my hand.

01:12:50.000 I know you do a good Chris Hansen impression.

01:12:52.000 Why don't you take a seat over there?

01:12:54.000 That's unbelievable.

01:12:55.000 Thank you, thank you.

01:12:56.000 What were you thinking, messaging a minor?

01:13:00.000 So I walk up to the Pfizer executive like Chris Hansen.

01:13:02.000 I'm like, is this seat taken?

01:13:05.000 I remember.

01:13:05.000 It was a brilliant video.

01:13:06.000 What's my line?

01:13:07.000 I forgot my line.

01:13:08.000 You were like, can I sit here?

01:13:09.000 Can I sit?

01:13:11.000 Is this seat taken?

01:13:13.000 And the guy's like, he goes through the five stages of grief in two minutes.

01:13:16.000 It's really remarkable.

01:13:17.000 He's like, oh my god, which is the name of my company.

01:13:19.000 That's a double pun.

01:13:21.000 And he goes, oh my god.

01:13:22.000 And he goes, you can't be here.

01:13:23.000 You can't do this. 0.94

01:13:24.000 And then he goes, I'm literally a liar. 0.99

01:13:28.000 I'm literally a liar. 0.98

01:13:30.000 It's like, but you expect me to believe everything you're telling me right now.

01:13:34.000 And then he proceeds to smash the device as if the only location of the video is on that particular device that I had.

01:13:40.000 He smashed, this is the guy who went to Yale Medical School, smashing.

01:13:44.000 And meanwhile, he like assaults my crew and I'm backing up.

01:13:49.000 And I'm backing up and I'm thinking, you know what I'm thinking?

01:13:52.000 I'm thinking, I need to make sure That this whole deal is recorded because the cops are coming.

01:14:00.000 Oh man.

01:14:01.000 And then a week later I was removed from Project Veritas.

01:14:06.000 It's hard not to think that it was connected.

01:14:07.000 Either that or it was just getting so big that it hit some sort of breaking point.

01:14:14.000 Right.

01:14:16.000 I hear a lot of stories where people say something like, oh, my friend recommended this mind-altering drug.

01:14:23.000 And I don't mean illegal ones, I mean legal ones.

01:14:25.000 They're like, have you thought about anti-anxiety medicine or depression medicine?

01:14:28.000 People are on how many pills these days?

01:14:31.000 I think even Family Guy made a joke about it, where Lois cracks a bunch of different pills, and she's like, all of my different prescriptions, and then eats them, and she's like, tomorrow I'll think this is a new idea, or something like that.

01:14:42.000 Something is going on in this country with big pharmaceutical companies, in terms of just mass cranking out so many different drugs, and they make such tremendous profits, and they sponsor so many different media organizations, that all of a sudden big companies are like, hey, nobody

01:15:00.000 I don't know if you saw the story that OMG two weeks ago with the Tucker, the Fox News

01:15:00.000 bad mouth our sponsor.

01:15:04.000 nightly producer saying that the advertising dollars influence and fight, we get money from

01:15:08.000 Pfizer. And I did a podcast with Robert Kennedy. I intend to interview Trump, Kennedy and DeSantis,

01:15:15.000 but I did an hour long deal with with Kennedy. And he told me a story of when he was talking

01:15:21.000 to some at Fox, I think it was Ailes time, who relayed to him that if you go on the air and talk

01:15:27.000 about this stuff, Rupert Murdoch will kick you off the air.

01:15:30.000 So this is real.

01:15:32.000 This is a real influence.

01:15:34.000 And I think the story is just, to your point, I think more of it's going to come out.

01:15:39.000 We're not done with the Pfizer beat.

01:15:42.000 I think what we see with you, James, with OMG, with what you were previously doing with Veritas, just your work in general and the people you've inspired, we need people, young people, growing up, knowing that you will be championed.

01:15:42.000 Don't you worry.

01:15:58.000 You will be not only championed by your peers, Yes.

01:16:03.000 you will actually do good things that help make the world better

01:16:06.000 if you stand up on strong moral grounds, reject corruption.

01:16:11.000 And so when I hear that story of the guy in the store, and he works for Pfizer and all that,

01:16:19.000 he said, I'm a liar, and then he tries to smash the device.

01:16:21.000 And I'm thinking about, here's a guy who will privately, to a random person, admit to malfeasance.

01:16:27.000 But then once he finds out, people might realize he's doing wrong.

01:16:29.000 He tries to destroy the evidence and lie about it.

01:16:32.000 Because he knows he is doing evil.

01:16:36.000 And he is scared that people will find out.

01:16:39.000 That's kind of a scary thing.

01:16:40.000 He literally says it's bad for America in the video.

01:16:43.000 Right.

01:16:43.000 It was insane.

01:16:44.000 It was like a cartoon.

01:16:45.000 I literally made a cartoon of it, but it was hard to parody because of how over-the-top it was.

01:16:48.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:16:49.000 This guy was openly... and at one point he's like, you're not like one of those hidden camera guys, are you?

01:16:54.000 I was like, oh my goodness.

01:16:56.000 Yeah, they can't... that's why people don't do this, because it would expose themselves.

01:17:02.000 It would expose the whole rotten You're gonna say something.

01:17:07.000 No, I just, we need to get to the point where we restore the sense of, I can't do that, that's wrong.

01:17:14.000 Instead of, I'll do that as long as no one finds out.

01:17:18.000 Exactly, we don't care if we do the right or wrong thing, we care about our reputation, that's it. 0.96

01:17:18.000 That's ridiculous. 0.96

01:17:22.000 That's right. 0.99

01:17:23.000 That's exactly it.

01:17:24.000 There's a weakness.

01:17:26.000 What people are forgetting is like, it's not necessarily these are bad people, they're weak people.

01:17:31.000 I've seen a lot of weak people.

01:17:32.000 And when you're doing the right thing, sometimes you can't be like a nice guy.

01:17:35.000 You can't just go along with it.

01:17:37.000 You have to take a stand and that moral compass is everything.

01:17:44.000 The weakness versus the strength is what I would say is the problem.

01:17:47.000 We need strong people.

01:17:48.000 I know it's a cliche, but, and then you have to figure out how do you test for that?

01:17:53.000 I think about that mentality of, you know, this guy does something he knows is wrong and bad and harmful.

01:18:01.000 As long as nobody finds out.

01:18:03.000 And it's remarkable to me because I'm wondering, does he have no scruples?

01:18:06.000 Does he have no inner sense of, I just can't bring myself to do this?

01:18:12.000 I just don't understand how people could have this within them to say, yeah, I got no problem doing it as long as nobody finds out.

01:18:17.000 Well, there was one time that the Twitter guy was on a date with the undercover journalist and he goes, don't tell anybody this, but here's a secret email.

01:18:27.000 That Project Veritas sent out, and our reporter has to mispronounce Project Veritas in order to not be burned.

01:18:39.000 I laughed at that!

01:18:40.000 That was wild.

01:18:41.000 No offense to the reporter, but that is the most, like, I'm clearly pretending not to be in Project Veritas statement I've ever heard, and the guy still keeps confessing!

01:18:51.000 I'm sitting here and I'm being texted by my team and they're reminding me that every time they're on an assignment, the reporters are, you know, the subjects are asking, are you, are you, you got the hidden camera?

01:19:01.000 You working for James O'Keefe?

01:19:02.000 They always say that!

01:19:03.000 And then they still tell them all their information!

01:19:06.000 Everything!

01:19:07.000 It's insane!

01:19:08.000 Because it has to do with, I guess, a narcissistic trait in humans where they just can't admit that... How did you put it?

01:19:08.000 Everything.

01:19:18.000 They can't admit they're wrong.

01:19:20.000 How did you say that earlier?

01:19:21.000 Because you were on point.

01:19:23.000 Evil exists in people and...

01:19:25.000 They're fine with doing it so long as no one finds out.

01:19:27.000 That's right.

01:19:28.000 That's exactly right.

01:19:29.000 I think what happens there is sort of a microcosm of a much larger human problem, which is that when people don't develop virtue, what they've essentially failed to do is subjugate their emotions or their passions to reason.

01:19:41.000 So even though they know, okay, it wouldn't be reasonable for me to tell someone I barely know every borderline illegal or flat-out illegal or unethical thing I'm doing at work, I feel like I want to in the moment, so I'm going to.

01:19:54.000 Right, and one of the other questions, if I'm an undercover reporter and someone's saying, here are you, I say, hey, yeah, sure, you want to check me?

01:20:00.000 You want to check my body?

01:20:01.000 And they'll never do it.

01:20:03.000 And the thing about it psychologically is that undercover work is about asking about themselves.

01:20:08.000 People have talked about themselves.

01:20:09.000 So it's remarkable what people will confess if you express interest in them personally.

01:20:14.000 You're familiar with this meme, remember this one?

01:20:16.000 This is the hot, crazy access for women you date. 0.80

01:20:16.000 Yeah. 0.80

01:20:20.000 And it's like, you know, if a woman is a 5 or below, you don't, you know, it's like a no-go zone. 0.97

01:20:25.000 If she's, you know, the crazy access is a 10, it's a no-go zone.

01:20:29.000 Then you have the crazy zone, the fun zone, the date zone.

01:20:32.000 And then women who are not crazy and super attractive, it's James O'Keefe.

01:20:36.000 Spying on you.

01:20:38.000 Or it's a dude, isn't it?

01:20:39.000 The lower right when it's...

01:20:41.000 Oh, they replaced that with James O'Keefe.

01:20:43.000 Right.

01:20:44.000 So, like, this was after the Twitter thing when we were, like, I can't remember who said it.

01:20:47.000 We were cracking up.

01:20:48.000 No, we were watching it laughing and then you and I were coming up with all these jokes.

01:20:51.000 Someone tweeted it.

01:20:51.000 They were like, if you are a, like, mildly unattractive tech engineer for a big tech company and this hot woman is asking you about the inner workings of your company, it's James O'Keefe.

01:21:04.000 Well, I just love the idea.

01:21:05.000 I mean, are these people watching pick-up artist videos, where the pick-up artist is like, you want to get a girl?

01:21:10.000 Tell her every illegal thing you've ever done on the first date!

01:21:13.000 Drive them crazy!

01:21:14.000 You see the story we did last week on Fetterman, where the guy, this is Fetterman's aide, he carries around his stuff, and you probably do a great impression, but he's like, I'm not incoherent enough.

01:21:24.000 We just use the journalists as puppets.

01:21:26.000 They do everything we tell them to.

01:21:28.000 They're not skeptical.

01:21:29.000 He's bragging about this.

01:21:31.000 And the dude in the Pfizer, he's bragging about mutating viruses and hurting people.

01:21:40.000 They're bragging about these things.

01:21:42.000 To what?

01:21:43.000 To get laid?

01:21:43.000 I think I know what it is.

01:21:45.000 I think that's part of it.

01:21:46.000 I think when someone is doing something horrible, they feel a need for that behavior to be accepted by other people.

01:21:51.000 Their conscience is bothering them and they want to sit across from somebody who will say,

01:21:56.000 yeah, of course, there's nothing wrong with that.

01:21:58.000 Or I agree.

01:21:59.000 That's really funny and interesting so that when those thoughts come into their mind that maybe I'm doing the

01:22:03.000 wrong thing, they can try to fall back on, well, the other people I've

01:22:07.000 spoken to approve of it.

01:22:08.000 They're dying to confess.

01:22:09.000 This is why.

01:22:10.000 They're desperate to confess.

01:22:11.000 The people who are in your face about their lifestyle choices the most are always the people who feel guilty

01:22:17.000 about what they're doing and they need your approval because they don't have the

01:22:19.000 approval of their conscience.

01:22:20.000 They need confession. That's that's true profound. That's very true

01:22:24.000 I don't think anyone's ever spoken about this in this way.

01:22:27.000 By the way, some of them don't, we don't find them on dating apps.

01:22:29.000 In fact, the one guy, a reporter that works for me, got a guy in December in Chicago to talk about the, remember the dildo butt plug story?

01:22:40.000 The head of a private school in Chicago talks about giving out these things to children.

01:22:49.000 And he met that man in an airport security line.

01:22:54.000 So that's how he got that information.

01:22:56.000 Did he have to like, I'm going to the bathroom and then put the camera on and like Oh, geez.

01:23:00.000 Winning friends and influencing people, and the confession thing you said is very profound.

01:23:05.000 It's really true.

01:23:06.000 Dude, confession is innately necessary for humans, man.

01:23:10.000 The religion had it.

01:23:11.000 Correct.

01:23:12.000 The church.

01:23:12.000 That's right.

01:23:13.000 With internet video, you can tell the world your secrets.

01:23:16.000 It's humiliating, but you can.

01:23:18.000 They stop popping into your head.

01:23:19.000 You stop getting distracted.

01:23:20.000 Your conscience becomes clear when you tell someone this thing.

01:23:24.000 That's why I say we hold a mirror up to people.

01:23:27.000 I think Seamus nailed it.

01:23:28.000 I think a lot of these people, it's a joke that we've pointed out where, you know, a guy meets a woman, he sits down and says, hey babe, you want to hear about all the illegal things my company does?

01:23:40.000 Like it's gonna score them, but that's not it.

01:23:43.000 Seamus, I think, nails it in that the moment they engaged in something they knew was wrong, their mind said, you are doing wrong.

01:23:51.000 Stop.

01:23:52.000 And they didn't, they weren't strong enough to say no.

01:23:55.000 So when they sit down with someone in private, they're looking for validation.

01:23:58.000 Exactly.

01:23:58.000 They're begging, please tell me I'm a good person.

01:24:00.000 And I think there's an additional element that wants validation in a different way.

01:24:04.000 I think their conscience wants validation as well.

01:24:06.000 They want to hear that person say, you're better than this.

01:24:09.000 Stop.

01:24:10.000 Yeah.

01:24:11.000 This is profound dialogue here about what we do and how it works.

01:24:15.000 The confession.

01:24:16.000 I think that's right.

01:24:17.000 And there's this one example I have in my mind of Charlie Chester, who was a CNN guy about two years ago.

01:24:21.000 And the whole time he's waxing euphoric about how much propaganda CNN is.

01:24:26.000 He never looks into the eyes of the person across the table from him.

01:24:29.000 It's almost like he's talking to himself or to, you know, a monologue, not with the person.

01:24:36.000 He doesn't even care about them.

01:24:38.000 He's just hearing, listening to himself talk, so their conscience goes against their own actions, for sure.

01:24:43.000 You can tell a lot by looking in somebody's eyes.

01:24:43.000 Yep.

01:24:45.000 The brain, because it says the brain, the eyes are connected directly to the brain, like it can't lie, you can sense it.

01:24:52.000 I think it's more than just the brain, right?

01:24:54.000 Because humans, we're not just bodies, we're a body-soul composite, and there is a there-there.

01:24:59.000 You can tell, you're not just looking at matter when you look into somebody's eyes, there's something else.

01:25:04.000 We're not mere mechanical components, there's something more to us.

01:25:07.000 Yeah, the way it's moving, you can tell it's vibrating, you know, different ways depending on what they're thinking.

01:25:12.000 But even vibration puts it in a material way, like there's something immaterial that we can't understand.

01:25:18.000 The conscience thing is really interesting to me because when in your life did someone come to you and say, son, I know you're entering kindergarten, it's your first day, but if you ever work for a major pharmaceutical company and they ask you to engage in gain-of-function research, I need you to say no, son, it's wrong.

01:25:35.000 That never happens in your life.

01:25:36.000 So something throughout this person's life generated the moral understanding that this practice would be wrong.

01:25:43.000 What do you think that is?

01:25:45.000 Well, I wonder if there is something genuinely immaterial in that we know when we're doing good or bad.

01:25:52.000 It more relates to Do we know that this is going to be harmful to the world and our fellow man?

01:25:58.000 And it... I think maybe that's just... There could be something more metaphysical, or maybe it's simply that we know the destruction of the planet, we know that harming others is just inherently wrong, and working to those ends is wrong.

01:26:12.000 Yeah.

01:26:13.000 But they want to justify it somehow, and be told everything's okay, you're a good person.

01:26:18.000 I think we have a culture that celebrates vice and denigrates virtue.

01:26:23.000 And as I mentioned earlier, when we're referring to virtue, what we're really referring to is subjugating your impulses, your passions, your emotions to reason, doing the right thing in spite of the way you feel.

01:26:34.000 What we have encouraged people to do systematically over the last several decades is to orient themselves towards pleasure as the highest good.

01:26:42.000 And that includes ignoring your conscience, ignoring reason, ignoring your values, just doing what feels good.

01:26:50.000 And what results from that is a person who is incapable of going against their own passions and doing what's right.

01:26:58.000 And so, other people not liking you, it makes you feel bad.

01:27:02.000 They don't want that negative consequence of their nefarious behaviors, but The conscience part of it doesn't factor in as often until they need to silence it by getting your approval.

01:27:14.000 No, no, bro.

01:27:14.000 It's much easier than that.

01:27:15.000 They sell these wonderful little pills that turn that conscience right off.

01:27:19.000 So you've got people who know it's wrong.

01:27:22.000 That's true.

01:27:23.000 Yeah.

01:27:24.000 This is the vision that I'm seeing as you're explaining this.

01:27:27.000 I'm imagining some morbidly obese woman eating her fifth bowl of nachos With her brain screaming, stop doing this, and she goes, oh, the negative thoughts are coming back.

01:27:40.000 Negative thoughts are gone.

01:27:41.000 Sometimes you are supposed to feel negative thoughts.

01:27:45.000 Negative thoughts are not a disease.

01:27:46.000 Sometimes they're a symptom of you doing something wrong and you have to stop doing that thing instead of medicating yourself.

01:27:50.000 There are people who can't feel pain.

01:27:53.000 They are physically incapable.

01:27:55.000 And I've heard a lot of people say, wow, that would be so awesome to not have to feel pain.

01:27:59.000 And what they don't realize is it's actually terrifying and dangerous.

01:28:03.000 They almost pull their eyes out as infants.

01:28:05.000 It's a real thing.

01:28:06.000 And they can't sweat.

01:28:07.000 Because the pain... What I read was that certain people who can't experience pain, their body can't regulate temperature because they don't have that sensation of discomfort.

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:17.000 And so they could easily overheat and die.

01:28:19.000 They also sometimes could bite through their tongue when they're little kids.

01:28:22.000 They can seriously injure themselves and not know.

01:28:25.000 Crazy stories.

01:28:27.000 Hardship is a good thing.

01:28:29.000 Yeah.

01:28:30.000 Nagging negative feelings.

01:28:32.000 Not always bad things.

01:28:33.000 I understand sometimes there's chemical imbalance, depression, and anxiety where people are having a disorder.

01:28:37.000 But perhaps if you are unhappy, not everybody, I know, sometimes people are, you know, clinically or medically depressed, but perhaps You need to do better by yourself.

01:28:37.000 Right.

01:28:48.000 You need to eat right.

01:28:50.000 You take responsibility for your life.

01:28:50.000 You need to exercise.

01:28:52.000 So are people born with the spark of the divine and it is through the drugs and what they're exposed to?

01:28:58.000 We suppress it.

01:28:59.000 We suppress it.

01:29:00.000 But they're born with that desire.

01:29:01.000 Because I feel like the word truth, speaking the truth, makes people feel free.

01:29:08.000 It does set you free.

01:29:09.000 The subjects that I write, the truth shall set you free.

01:29:11.000 Veritas post libera abit.

01:29:13.000 Speaking the truth makes you feel free.

01:29:15.000 And in many ways, this guy's good.

01:29:19.000 I've never said it, I've never heard it said that way.

01:29:21.000 Thank you.

01:29:22.000 I mean, the subjects are engaging in confession, which makes them feel, it's therapy for them.

01:29:27.000 Yeah.

01:29:27.000 But the difference is they don't get absolution.

01:29:30.000 Yeah, that is the difference.

01:29:31.000 Or maybe they do when the video goes live.

01:29:33.000 No, because the difference is when you go to confession, when you go confess to a Catholic priest with true contrition, you're actually sorry, you're actually making a resolution not to do it again, you're not going in there and saying, this is the thing I did, please give me your approval.

01:29:46.000 You're saying, this is wrong, I know it was wrong, please absolve me, I'm sorry.

01:29:52.000 But that's not what they're doing.

01:29:52.000 Right?

01:29:54.000 They want to confess it, but in a way where they don't admit it's wrong, and they get your approval.

01:29:57.000 They want the inverse.

01:29:58.000 Because your approval is their god.

01:30:01.000 James, you're effectively an inverse priest for them in a certain way, where instead of saying, admit you were wrong, they're saying, please tell me I wasn't.

01:30:10.000 Exactly.

01:30:11.000 There's something to that because... And then it exposes... But real quick, sorry, I just wanted to add.

01:30:15.000 What these people need to understand, and what always breaks my heart about the videos that you put out, James, when it's like a Twitter engineer who says, yeah, we're doing these things, why wasn't he a whistleblower?

01:30:25.000 Why didn't he say, I am going to reach out to James O'Keefe personally and of my own volition and tell him about these horrible things they're doing?

01:30:32.000 I have a good answer for that.

01:30:33.000 It's one word, two syllables.

01:30:36.000 Paycheck.

01:30:37.000 Yeah, the god of money.

01:30:38.000 That's what I've been thinking about.

01:30:39.000 Which is, I wasn't, you know, that's not really what motivates me, but a lot of otherwise, I thought, decent people will just stay there for the paycheck, I think. 0.84

01:30:48.000 And we've talked about, Tim, you and I talked about this before, well, that they're cowards, and yeah, there's something to that.

01:30:56.000 But I think that's changing in society.

01:30:58.000 To be a little optimistic here, I think people now care more about doing the right thing more than they ever have.

01:31:04.000 But they need a leader.

01:31:05.000 They need someone to follow.

01:31:07.000 I have to give people permission.

01:31:10.000 People are watching from the sidelines with a pinky toe in the pool.

01:31:15.000 They're drafting an email right now to akiftipsatprotonmail.com.

01:31:20.000 Should I do this?

01:31:21.000 I got the mortgage.

01:31:23.000 I got the wife.

01:31:24.000 I got the this.

01:31:25.000 It's always the wife or something like this. 0.98

01:31:27.000 I got the kids.

01:31:28.000 And I always say, look, you get the kids.

01:31:30.000 OK, well, but your kids, don't they want to look up to their parents?

01:31:33.000 And don't they?

01:31:34.000 I mean, I had someone tell me, oh, you're really lucky you don't have children.

01:31:37.000 And one day I'll be a father, hopefully soon.

01:31:40.000 But like, really?

01:31:41.000 I'm lucky I don't have children?

01:31:44.000 I would think that my children would hopefully look up to someone who stands on principle, even if it cost me my paycheck.

01:31:51.000 You know?

01:31:51.000 And there's nothing new under the sun.

01:31:55.000 We've talked about these concepts for millions of thousands of years.

01:31:58.000 But I think things are changing.

01:31:59.000 I really do.

01:32:00.000 People are... You mentioned people on the sidelines and they need permission.

01:32:05.000 I've had so many people ask me, especially, you know, when I was working for Vice, when I was on the ground field reporting, I would get these emails and people would say, how do I do what you do?

01:32:14.000 And I'd say, oh, it's really, really easy.

01:32:16.000 Take out your phone, press record.

01:32:18.000 There you go.

01:32:18.000 Have a nice day.

01:32:19.000 And they're shocked, like, what?

01:32:20.000 That can't be right.

01:32:21.000 I'm like, dude, I was living in New York filming things that were going on there.

01:32:25.000 Like, I moved, I went there for 20 bucks on a bus to occupy Wall Street.

01:32:29.000 I just started filming stuff.

01:32:31.000 So like when you told that story of the woman who, you know, you said, have you gone to

01:32:35.000 your public school?

01:32:36.000 I didn't know I could.

01:32:37.000 There's a lot of people who don't realize there is nothing stopping you from entering

01:32:41.000 the fray of the political fear, right?

01:32:45.000 Fear of fear of unknown.

01:32:46.000 Sure.

01:32:47.000 But I mean, like, you know, I thought about this when I was younger.

01:32:50.000 How do you get involved and say, like, the conversation we're having.

01:32:55.000 Someone might be wondering, like, how do I get on a show like that?

01:32:58.000 Well, you just start doing these things.

01:33:01.000 You show up to events, you speak, you be present in the moment, you film, you record.

01:33:06.000 There are a lot of people who got started by just showing up and being like, hey, I'm here, here's what I think.

01:33:11.000 And then more and more people start noticing they're there and they think things and they're speaking out.

01:33:15.000 More and more people started going to school board meetings and speaking up and getting attention.

01:33:19.000 You just have to do it and be the person leading the charge.

01:33:22.000 Also, ditch hedonism.

01:33:24.000 This obsession with feeling good and avoiding pain, it's a detriment.

01:33:30.000 You gotta embrace pain.

01:33:32.000 And it sounds sadistic to say that, because not all kinds.

01:33:34.000 Don't seek it out.

01:33:35.000 It's not sadistic.

01:33:36.000 It's gotta be there.

01:33:37.000 It's there right now.

01:33:38.000 Gravity is painful.

01:33:39.000 We're being sucked down and twisted to this earth.

01:33:41.000 It hurts.

01:33:42.000 Well, the first chapter of the book I wrote, American Muckraker, is called Suffering.

01:33:47.000 The first chapter is about pain, and I read, because of Jordan Peterson, Gulag Archipelago.

01:33:56.000 Oh, that's great.

01:33:57.000 The Solzhenitsyn guy talks about in the Gulags, and there's this one part of this story that just rarely resonated with me.

01:34:04.000 We always joke that I'm going to go to the Gulags, right?

01:34:04.000 He's in the Gulags.

01:34:07.000 Joke?

01:34:07.000 Joke.

01:34:08.000 Yeah.

01:34:09.000 Maybe it's happening.

01:34:10.000 Yeah, but is that the worst outcome?

01:34:14.000 Like RFK told me, which is very profound, I said, aren't you worried that these pharmaceutical companies are going to kill you?

01:34:20.000 And he goes, there are things in life worse than dying.

01:34:25.000 So Solzhenitsyn says he's in the gulags and there's a hunger strike.

01:34:29.000 And he writes about this, because when you're on a hunger strike, you retain some of your own power over the guards.

01:34:38.000 And that gives you a sense of empowerment, because now you have the power over the forces of evil that are imprisoning you.

01:34:46.000 And one of the guys in the hunger strike decides, you know what, I'm too hungry, I'm going to go eat that piece of bread.

01:34:52.000 And I'm paraphrasing, but Zolzhenitsyn describes that the pain of, these people are all starving, he's starving to death, the pain of the betrayal of the comrade who ate the bread was so much greater than the pain of the starvation.

01:35:09.000 So to your point about suffering, it's like, what I've been through I don't view it as a bad thing because I think that pain completes the process of muscle development.

01:35:22.000 And I have zero regrets.

01:35:24.000 It is going to make me a more effective messenger.

01:35:28.000 It's going to make me understand who's real and who's good and who's phony and who's fake.

01:35:33.000 And that's a good thing.

01:35:35.000 That's a good thing. We want to know who's going to eat that bread.

01:35:37.000 And I always say to my colleagues, don't eat the bread in the gulags, all right?

01:35:42.000 Don't eat that bread.

01:35:43.000 Well, when we find ourselves in that gulag, James, I will share my bread with you.

01:35:50.000 We're gonna go to Super Chats if you haven't already.

01:35:50.000 Fair point.

01:35:52.000 make sure you know you're doing the gulag was the department that oversaw

01:35:55.000 the prisons the prisons weren't actually called gulags there are no fair point

01:36:00.000 we're gonna go to super chats if you haven't already would you kindly smash

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01:36:25.000 Grofty says, James is a badass, but human, I believe.

01:36:29.000 He is indeed, he is indeed.

01:36:32.000 All right.

01:36:32.000 Brandon Smith says, took a bag of Appalachian Nights to work today.

01:36:35.000 Figured a Navy base in San Diego is the perfect place for it.

01:36:38.000 By the way, it's delicious.

01:36:39.000 I really do appreciate it.

01:36:40.000 And, uh, I gotta say, you know, we, we put this blend together.

01:36:44.000 It's a bit darker than your typical dark roast, not as dark as an espresso roast.

01:36:48.000 Cause I like, I like all coffee to be completely honest.

01:36:50.000 The Rise of the Berto Jr. 1.00

01:36:51.000 is a light roast and it's super, I love it.

01:36:54.000 But man, that Appalachian Nights, it gets me.

01:36:57.000 I ended up chugging my breakfast coffee.

01:36:58.000 Normally I was sipping it.

01:37:00.000 I'd be sipping it.

01:37:01.000 Now I'm just slamming it.

01:37:03.000 All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.

01:37:08.000 Laurel says, run a coffee option for James with a percent of the profits going to OMG.

01:37:12.000 You can call it James O'Coffeef.

01:37:16.000 Sure, yeah.

01:37:18.000 We'll make a specific blend and then we'll have all the proceeds go to OMG.

01:37:25.000 My thing is, so long as we can... Here's what I always tell everybody, like, look.

01:37:30.000 If this company, this coffee company, sets up a bunch of different coffee shops, I think we'll end up franchising because we just want to get the ball rolling.

01:37:38.000 I don't care to be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar coffee company that's meaningless to me.

01:37:43.000 What I do care about...

01:37:44.000 is pulling into a shop, into a strip mall to, you know, with my friends and we're in the middle of like Omaha.

01:37:49.000 And then all of a sudden like, did you set up a cast brew here?

01:37:52.000 And we're like, oh, we go inside.

01:37:52.000 No, I thought you did.

01:37:54.000 And then there's the new OMG report playing on the TV with James O'Keefe.

01:37:58.000 And so you get some suburban mom and she goes, it's like, I just want a cold brew with some, some half and half.

01:38:03.000 And then while she's waiting, there's James O'Keefe in the TV being like breaking news.

01:38:06.000 We got a new report about Act Blue, blah, blah, blah.

01:38:08.000 And she goes, I didn't know that.

01:38:10.000 Creating spaces where regular people will be exposed to the positive influence of all the people that in this field, the work you're doing, that's our mission with the coffee shop and the coffee company.

01:38:21.000 So, absolutely, we can launch.

01:38:23.000 Good work, thank you.

01:38:25.000 We'll make an OMG coffee, we'll sell it on the website and we'll give you all the profits.

01:38:28.000 Wow.

01:38:29.000 Breaking news.

01:38:30.000 He only offered me half of the profits for the one he and I are going to do together.

01:38:33.000 This is a very special offer.

01:38:34.000 Very special for James O'Keefe.

01:38:35.000 Well, the thing about, and this is true actually, the split rev with Seamus is that we're literally just selling a coffee for profit.

01:38:42.000 Also, no one wants to buy mine.

01:38:45.000 What's it called?

01:38:46.000 I'm kidding, we're working on it.

01:38:47.000 We had a couple ideas, but we're still probably tweaking it before we announce.

01:38:52.000 I suppose it might sound a little crude, but, you know, the reason I say this for James is that we want to fund the work.

01:38:57.000 No, I was just kidding.

01:38:58.000 I was just giving you a hard time.

01:38:59.000 No, I know.

01:39:00.000 It's because you want to fund his stuff.

01:39:01.000 That's good.

01:39:01.000 Yeah, we want to fund your stuff, too.

01:39:02.000 No, I know.

01:39:03.000 But, you know, cartoons are substantially less important than exposure.

01:39:03.000 I appreciate it.

01:39:05.000 They're not important, exactly.

01:39:07.000 Are you gonna put a cartoon image on your bag?

01:39:08.000 I'm only half kidding, actually.

01:39:10.000 Oh, um, yeah, no, we were talking about that.

01:39:12.000 Yeah, Freedom Tunes.

01:39:13.000 And a limited edition run where- Sipping some coffee.

01:39:13.000 Cartoon Seamus.

01:39:16.000 If you want to own the specific art of the Seamus blend or whatever.

01:39:20.000 Yeah, it takes six weeks to print the bags and then, you know, like seven to ten days to do the roasting, but we'll figure it out.

01:39:26.000 Coffee Boy Coghlan, they call you.

01:39:28.000 And I'm just saying this on air, I don't even know if James wants a coffee or whatever, I don't want to- I would love, love, that's a great idea, I'd love that.

01:39:33.000 No, I was honestly just giving you a hard time.

01:39:34.000 Are you a big coffee guy, James?

01:39:37.000 Probably more like pre-workouts than coffee.

01:39:39.000 Coffee kind of makes me crash, but I'll make an exception.

01:39:44.000 Oh, solid.

01:39:45.000 All right, Steven says, James, from the lawsuit, it looks like Project Veritas is suing to make you not be a person.

01:39:51.000 Is that their goal?

01:39:53.000 I quit supporting them since you left.

01:39:56.000 Um, I would say, um, I would say that, how do I address this?

01:40:04.000 Um, let me, let me choose my words carefully here.

01:40:06.000 Um, that if they, if they can't, if they, give me one moment to collect my thoughts.

01:40:17.000 Um, if they can't, If they exist without me, then some have said that they have to stop me from doing what I'm doing.

01:40:30.000 It was said by someone somewhere.

01:40:32.000 It was a statement to the effect of, we have to destroy James O'Keefe in order to save ourselves.

01:40:41.000 Now you explain that one to me.

01:40:42.000 It just doesn't make sense.

01:40:43.000 It's the inverse.

01:40:44.000 If they came out and said, we're sorry things went this way, we appreciate all the work James has done, we wish him the best, we hope that he succeeds, and we would like to succeed as well, they'd be way better off.

01:40:57.000 Yeah, I mean, like I said, I support everyone doing this.

01:41:02.000 There should be more organizations doing this.

01:41:04.000 I don't think you should stop a journalist from exposing corruption with money that was donated in order to expose corruption.

01:41:11.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

01:41:12.000 It almost feels like the intention was to destroy Veritas.

01:41:15.000 And some would say that they're trying to be me, but nobody can be me.

01:41:27.000 But I do wish people the best.

01:41:29.000 I want people to expose what needs to be exposed.

01:41:33.000 And I think we can coexist, and I think we should.

01:41:35.000 We need more organizations doing this.

01:41:37.000 I think we need more non-profits, NGOs, whatever you want to call it.

01:41:40.000 Non-profits are tough, though, with boards, because again, you have that same problem we talked about throughout the program, which the board has to be very strong.

01:41:46.000 Well, and also, I mean, just that statement, we need to destroy him to save ourselves.

01:41:50.000 You know, to go out of your way to destroy someone for your own benefit, that's demonic.

01:41:56.000 Like, that's a complete inversion.

01:41:58.000 We have an important one from Crackling.

01:41:59.000 It says to James, what happened to Retracto the alpaca?

01:42:02.000 Will OMG have a new mascot?

01:42:05.000 Yes.

01:42:06.000 The retracto was the mascot that Andrew Breitbart came up with.

01:42:09.000 We were thinking back in 2010 when I was arrested, there needs to be an, you know, an anthropomorphic creature to represent all the defamation.

01:42:17.000 And he's like, what about an alpaca?

01:42:19.000 And we just laughed till we cried.

01:42:21.000 We have correcto.

01:42:22.000 Oh, you do have it.

01:42:24.000 I gave that to you.

01:42:25.000 No, that one we bought.

01:42:25.000 The llama.

01:42:27.000 That one we bought.

01:42:27.000 It was a knockoff.

01:42:28.000 So we call it correcto.

01:42:30.000 Correcto.

01:42:30.000 Because correcto is not for when other people correct about you.

01:42:34.000 It's for when we issue corrections for our mistakes.

01:42:35.000 It's the inversion of it.

01:42:37.000 And we did it as kind of a play on it.

01:42:38.000 Do you have a theme song?

01:42:40.000 No, but... Retracto, the correction alpaca.

01:42:44.000 Retracto, he's coming at ya.

01:42:47.000 It's really good.

01:42:48.000 What mascot should we do, I guess is my question.

01:42:50.000 What do you want the OMG mascot to be?

01:42:52.000 A llama! 0.83

01:42:53.000 Is Retracto in the divorce?

01:42:55.000 Is Retracto gonna spend visitation with... That's not up to me.

01:43:00.000 Oh.

01:43:00.000 I'm not... Maybe on the weekends?

01:43:05.000 Is that the same as the one you have?

01:43:06.000 A salamander.

01:43:07.000 Is it the same kind of?

01:43:08.000 It's the same exact sort of thing.

01:43:09.000 In fact, I have some of those.

01:43:09.000 Oh, a gecko!

01:43:12.000 The scarf that it's wearing is actual alpaca hair scarf.

01:43:16.000 I did not know that.

01:43:17.000 Dude, you should do like a camouflage animal.

01:43:18.000 Yeah, we got some alpaca farm.

01:43:19.000 Like a gecko or something that can camouflage into the wall?

01:43:23.000 It's called a chameleon.

01:43:24.000 Chameleon?

01:43:24.000 Yeah.

01:43:25.000 I'll take that under advisement.

01:43:26.000 I have to think about a mascot.

01:43:27.000 There's a lot of lies, defamation, slander, and I did this series every other week about About that, and that'll continue.

01:43:34.000 Have you considered a chicken, perhaps?

01:43:36.000 They're known for their intelligence and bravery.

01:43:36.000 Why a chicken?

01:43:38.000 Roosters!

01:43:39.000 Roosters?

01:43:40.000 Roosters will sacrifice themselves to save their hens.

01:43:43.000 Really?

01:43:44.000 Yeah, and so, you know, I take, and everybody who watches this show knows this because I've said it 8,000 times, but a rooster will run full speed to its own death to fight a predator if it buys time for the hens to escape.

01:43:55.000 I think we may have a decision here.

01:43:58.000 The noble rooster.

01:44:01.000 And everybody makes fun of chickens.

01:44:03.000 Because you need a big pair.

01:44:05.000 Here's what I don't like.

01:44:06.000 All animals are scared. 0.99

01:44:09.000 Call people a rabbit, you silly rabbit, when people are scared. 0.99

01:44:11.000 Case in point. 0.99

01:44:12.000 But male rabbits and female rabbits will both equally flee.

01:44:16.000 But a small rooster, if you walk into that coop, the rooster will attack you. 0.95

01:44:20.000 They're brave. 0.99

01:44:22.000 They got cojones. 0.97

01:44:23.000 It takes testicular fortitude to do this. 0.99

01:44:29.000 I'll have to think about this one, Tim, but I will continue that.

01:44:35.000 I've got a lot of plans.

01:44:36.000 I can't say what they all are, but I love doing the retracto because it was like little wins.

01:44:44.000 It was like getting them to get retracto.

01:44:46.000 Little victories.

01:44:47.000 Everyone loves accountability against journalists.

01:44:49.000 Yeah, how dare you expose the Washington Post venerable institution.

01:44:53.000 This is like you do it.

01:44:54.000 How dare you?

01:44:54.000 How dare you sir?

01:44:56.000 It's a respectable institution.

01:44:58.000 They wrote an article about why Star Wars is racist.

01:45:01.000 Perhaps it used to be that way where they were the uppity elitists who thought they were doing good. 0.67

01:45:06.000 But now they're more demonic than that.

01:45:07.000 Like how dare you James expose us.

01:45:11.000 But secretly some of them are like rooting for me.

01:45:13.000 They're like DMing me.

01:45:14.000 They slide into my DMs.

01:45:15.000 Nice.

01:45:16.000 We like what you're doing there.

01:45:17.000 I just don't want to tell you.

01:45:18.000 Here's all the illegal things I'm doing by the way.

01:45:21.000 Here's an important one, I gotta read it.

01:45:23.000 Eric Miller says, James, you're the hero of truth and what you're dealing with is the hero's suffering.

01:45:28.000 To be a hero comes with a price sometimes.

01:45:31.000 It's what or who you love the most.

01:45:33.000 But you keep us honest and sow the seed of courage and encourage us all to fight.

01:45:40.000 I think this is like, you said the subjects treat their undercover meetings like therapy.

01:45:40.000 I think there might be a title.

01:45:45.000 In many ways, this Tim Pool show is like therapy for me.

01:45:49.000 And I would say that some days are really, really hard.

01:45:52.000 I think we all know that.

01:45:53.000 It's like life, right? 0.97

01:45:54.000 Some days suck.

01:45:56.000 I mean, this is extreme highs and extreme low business.

01:46:00.000 And there are some days where I literally can't even begin to describe How insurmountable it all feels.

01:46:10.000 What do you do for fun?

01:46:12.000 Sailing.

01:46:14.000 I'm a big sailboat guy.

01:46:15.000 I got a sailboat.

01:46:16.000 I've sailed up and down the Northeast.

01:46:18.000 Oh wow.

01:46:19.000 I love that because sailing is like, it captivates all of your senses.

01:46:23.000 It's physics.

01:46:24.000 It's physical.

01:46:25.000 It's math.

01:46:26.000 It's balance.

01:46:28.000 It's symphonic.

01:46:29.000 You're one with nature.

01:46:31.000 There's no engine.

01:46:32.000 You can like sail sort of against the wind by like moving the sail?

01:46:35.000 You can, so in sailing, you can sail, the closest you get to the true wind, it's like a pizza pie, you can sail 45 degrees off the wind.

01:46:42.000 That's called close heel, close haul.

01:46:45.000 And you like go left and right or whatever?

01:46:47.000 And when you, when you, when you go off the wind, you release the sail, which is a greater degree of angle against the wind.

01:46:54.000 So it's called close hauled up against the wind, and the boat heels, and you're only going like eight miles an hour, but Eight miles an hour to me, sailing feels like jumping out of an airplane.

01:47:05.000 Super cool.

01:47:07.000 Very nice.

01:47:08.000 All right, what do we got here?

01:47:09.000 Thomas TJG says, can Target and Bud be sued by their stockholders for neglect of fiduciary duties?

01:47:17.000 Well, the answer is literally 100%.

01:47:18.000 Yes, you can sue a ham sandwich in this country.

01:47:21.000 Will you succeed?

01:47:22.000 I think the answer is Probably yes.

01:47:25.000 I'm not saying 99%, it might be like 51.

01:47:29.000 But I lean towards, in my complete lack of legal experience, which, like, I have none, but I do believe we've heard stories of shareholders suing because, I mean, look, Bud Light, we had the story, we didn't get into any of this stuff, they actually just made another major contribution to a woke non-profit or something.

01:47:45.000 There's literally no business reason to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to pride events, especially after your customers are abandoning you, abandoning you to the tune of 30% of your sales.

01:47:56.000 If you hold stock in Budweiser, in Anheuser-Busch, I have to imagine you have a very strong legal case that they are intentionally destroying the value of their company and neglecting their duties to you, the shareholder.

01:48:09.000 I mean, that's insane.

01:48:11.000 People are saying, like, we're boycotting your brand, and then they go, I got an idea, let's donate more money to the exact same thing people are protesting.

01:48:17.000 That's that impact investment, and it'll be an interesting precedent to see if a company takes a hundred million of their dollars and puts it towards some social cause that makes no money for their...

01:48:26.000 For their investors, but they say, but it has social impact that will benefit you in the long run, stakeholder.

01:48:32.000 Then there might be some court cases and be like, no, this is purely fiscal.

01:48:36.000 I don't care about the cleanliness of the air.

01:48:37.000 I gave you money.

01:48:38.000 I want money.

01:48:40.000 I think there's precedent if they keep dumping money for impact though.

01:48:40.000 We'll see.

01:48:44.000 Paul Tascalo says, James, I'll provide you with free legal consultation.

01:48:48.000 I can save you tens of thousands of dollars by just auditing your legal bills.

01:48:51.000 You don't need good lawyers. 0.86

01:48:53.000 You need a monster with a law degree. 0.96

01:48:54.000 Raise his hand. 0.97

01:48:56.000 Raise his hand.

01:48:57.000 Yeah, I mean, please, please.

01:48:59.000 It's James at O'KeefeMediaGroup.com.

01:49:02.000 Send me an email.

01:49:03.000 I just gave out my email address.

01:49:03.000 Why not?

01:49:05.000 Who cares?

01:49:06.000 But hey, if you get a hundred emails and you got to go through all of them, but it's like, hey, I can do this for you.

01:49:10.000 I can do this for you.

01:49:11.000 Yeah.

01:49:11.000 I mean, thank you.

01:49:12.000 And it's tough.

01:49:13.000 That's probably, I can't emphasize to you guys enough that the managing the lawyers is hard.

01:49:19.000 It's really hard.

01:49:20.000 And the lawyers also don't want you to say anything.

01:49:24.000 If you're an executive, you have to make executive decisions.

01:49:27.000 The lawyers resent you for that.

01:49:29.000 Once I had a lawyer say, you're putting my reputation at risk by basically being you.

01:49:35.000 It's like, dude, you work for me. 0.99

01:49:38.000 Like, I'm the client, and you're making three times more money than me, which is fine, but don't give me that crap.

01:49:45.000 So that's probably, that's something I'm still learning how to do, is manage lawyers, manage their legal bills, and you know, and so thank you, whoever you are.

01:49:54.000 What was his name?

01:49:56.000 What was his?

01:49:58.000 Paul Taskalos.

01:49:58.000 Paul?

01:49:59.000 Paul, yeah, send me a note, and we'll talk, we'll touch base.

01:50:02.000 Make sure you don't get three or four emails from four different Paul Taskalos.

01:50:02.000 Thank you.

01:50:06.000 Don Jr.

01:50:07.000 mentioned this, by the way, too, when he was on our show about the fact that his lawyers were advising him not to speak out about certain things, and it ended up working out very well for him that he did.

01:50:13.000 Yep.

01:50:14.000 Yep.

01:50:15.000 Shakenbake says, Ian, keep moving towards the light.

01:50:18.000 You're almost there.

01:50:20.000 Almost, but you will never truly get there.

01:50:22.000 You can only get halfway closer.

01:50:24.000 In ten years, Ian is going to be telling Seamus how he's wrong about his faith and how, you know, like he's straying from the light.

01:50:31.000 Dude, we're on the... He's going to have his hair cut, he's going to be wearing a suit, he's going to be wearing a cusp.

01:50:34.000 You're saying, oh, Ian's going to be like hardcore, like Trad Cat, like further than me.

01:50:37.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:50:38.000 There's a magnificent, uh...

01:50:40.000 Religious reformation happening right now where all these global religions are coming together with technology and psychoactive drugs and people are like trying to figure out the new story we're gonna tell. 0.86

01:50:51.000 I think we already told the greatest story ever told.

01:50:54.000 Time moves backwards and forwards at the same time.

01:50:54.000 I think it really happened.

01:50:57.000 That wasn't exactly what I had in mind.

01:51:00.000 Angry Marsupial says, I left a 14-year journalism career behind in 2009 because I saw behind the curtain and became completely disillusioned.

01:51:09.000 Corruption in media, government, corporations.

01:51:11.000 Keep fighting the good fight, gents.

01:51:13.000 Yup.

01:51:15.000 Yup.

01:51:15.000 Yeah, I think a lot of it is not even necessarily good and evil, just sometimes it's just chaos.

01:51:20.000 Like, trying to create order out of chaos.

01:51:24.000 Yes, you're right.

01:51:25.000 There's a lot of evil, though.

01:51:26.000 I worked in non-profits.

01:51:28.000 And small ones I saw did pretty good, but I saw an untold amount of corruption, lies, manipulation from the biggest to the smallest.

01:51:38.000 All they cared about was their bottom line, like any company. 0.97

01:51:40.000 God, that's so gross.

01:51:41.000 And so, I would say most of the nonprofits I worked at actually told their staff to lie to people to raise money.

01:51:47.000 And I'm like, that's fraud, dude.

01:51:49.000 Well, no, you see, so I'm like, I'm out.

01:51:51.000 I'm not going to do this anymore.

01:51:52.000 There's a quote by Eric Hoffer, every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.

01:52:00.000 So I found that when I worked in DC when I was 21, I was like, I got to get out of here.

01:52:04.000 Like, it's crazy.

01:52:05.000 They can't actually solve the problem because then they can't raise money to try to solve the problem.

01:52:10.000 It's like they can't actually succeed.

01:52:12.000 So you really have to be hyper-vigilant if you're gonna keep that group motivated.

01:52:17.000 You have to, again, your leadership has to be incorruptible.

01:52:23.000 Power tends to corrupt.

01:52:24.000 Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

01:52:25.000 But Lord Acton said power tends to corrupt.

01:52:29.000 It doesn't always corrupt, but it sure tends to.

01:52:33.000 S.A.

01:52:33.000 Federale says, so many white pills!

01:52:35.000 Hearing how motivated you all are to keep doing this.

01:52:38.000 Love you guys.

01:52:39.000 Love you, S.A.

01:52:40.000 Yeah, I wonder what it is.

01:52:41.000 You know, I really do.

01:52:43.000 Why is it that, James, you are unwavering in your commitment to a strong moral foundation and exposing malfeasance and corruption?

01:52:53.000 Well, I'm not perfect.

01:52:54.000 I have my fallibilities, and I think we all know what those are.

01:52:59.000 Tough guy to work for.

01:53:00.000 Don't ask you how your holidays were.

01:53:03.000 Demanding, perfectionist, exacting taskmaster.

01:53:06.000 I'm not perfect.

01:53:08.000 I'm pretty disorganized.

01:53:12.000 I don't… I think in many ways I was raised by two really good people who… I didn't realize this until my mid-30s.

01:53:21.000 I'm 38.

01:53:23.000 I have a really good mother and father who were very down-to-earth people.

01:53:28.000 My grandfather and father worked really hard.

01:53:30.000 doing property maintenance, I help them.

01:53:33.000 And that kind of instilled in me kind of a work ethic.

01:53:36.000 But I also feel like, again, going back to you as a musician,

01:53:39.000 you and I have that in common.

01:53:40.000 I'm a musician, I DJ, I'm in musical theater.

01:53:43.000 I just love the artistic aspects of this.

01:53:46.000 And I think a good work of art can last a long time.

01:53:50.000 And I think the good, the true, and the beautiful.

01:53:54.000 That's the only way that I can keep doing this.

01:53:58.000 If I focus on the political things or even the business aspects of it, it just drives me nuts.

01:54:05.000 All my people always go back to the thing that drives us, which is showing, telling the story.

01:54:11.000 I don't know if that makes sense, but that's what drives us.

01:54:15.000 The way I see it, What are you gonna do with your fifth house, with your third car, right?

01:54:21.000 I see these big celebrities, I see this baseball player, right?

01:54:26.000 What was his salary?

01:54:26.000 Like three million dollars, someone mentioned?

01:54:28.000 For one year, yeah.

01:54:31.000 And so this guy comes out and he's like, I'm so sorry, I'll be re-educated or whatever.

01:54:35.000 And I'm like, bro, millions of dollars.

01:54:39.000 What are you gonna do with that?

01:54:40.000 I just genuinely don't get it.

01:54:43.000 I don't understand this guy's like, well, my kids need a vacation home.

01:54:46.000 I'm like, bro, your kids need a bright future and an opportunity and a just and moral society.

01:54:53.000 And he has sold that out so that he can partake in massive amounts of money that he can't adequately spend, like reasonably.

01:55:02.000 Look, I get it.

01:55:03.000 If you've got a couple million bucks in the bank, you're going to be set for a long time.

01:55:07.000 Your family's taken care of and you can have really nice things and experience really great things in life.

01:55:12.000 But I'm looking at it like, if you could buy anything, wouldn't you rather buy a just society for your children?

01:55:19.000 Great point.

01:55:20.000 Amen.

01:55:22.000 What else is there worth buying?

01:55:23.000 I don't know.

01:55:23.000 And I've met a number of philanthropists worth hundreds of millions or a billion dollars who almost grab their colleagues at the country club by the collar and say, are you kidding me?

01:55:32.000 You've got 16 Ferraris, 500 grand can buy.

01:55:37.000 can buy this group doing the right thing, and buy a piece of justice.

01:55:41.000 It's a really, really good point.

01:55:43.000 And I've done fundraisers where I speak about these very issues, and I'm done.

01:55:50.000 I mean, just so the audience knows, I drive a Kia, and I have a scooter, for real.

01:55:55.000 I do have a sailboat.

01:55:56.000 That's the one thing I said I wanted.

01:55:58.000 I said, I want a sailboat.

01:55:59.000 You deserve a sailboat, dude.

01:56:00.000 Like Musk says, I got my private plane.

01:56:01.000 Okay, I got my sailboat.

01:56:03.000 But like, I gave these speeches about like, guys, like this is about the principles and virtue and truth and justice.

01:56:11.000 And in 30 seconds after, the lady's like, so tell me about your curtain rods. 1.00

01:56:15.000 And they just transition into this material vanity bullshit. 0.99

01:56:19.000 And it's frustrating. 0.99

01:56:21.000 I'm trying to shake people awake.

01:56:23.000 I'm trying to make people care.

01:56:24.000 That's why the company's called OMG.

01:56:27.000 I got this feeling that if and when you die, that God is there and it explains to you what you could have done to make it right. 0.64

01:56:35.000 And like all this day we wake up and instead today I'm going to go eat, I'm going to get the coffee, I'm going to play another game of this make money lifestyle, but like in reality we could get online and make so much noise and effective change and I think you're faced with that upon your Reconciliation and it's like god damn it Why didn't I just do it while I was alive?

01:56:55.000 And this this desire to go back and make it right and then we come back and we forget that at all That that that that was there and you have to relearn that and then you just got to force yourself, man but let's lonely existence take that idea and Put it into your current life right now.

01:57:11.000 Think about where you're at right now and what you wish you did 10 years ago to enact something positive.

01:57:17.000 Now think about where you are right now and what your future self will be thinking about this very moment.

01:57:23.000 Hindsight is 20-20, of course, so you don't know everything.

01:57:26.000 But you may.

01:57:26.000 In 10 years, I bet I'm going to say, I should have done that one thing.

01:57:32.000 And then you probably should do it.

01:57:34.000 Let's read this one.

01:57:35.000 This is an important one.

01:57:35.000 Quantum Strange Cork says, James, please make a way to donate five to ten bucks a month on your website.

01:57:40.000 A lot can't afford a subscription, but still want to donate.

01:57:43.000 Yeah, if you go to our website right now, we have a C4 and a C3.

01:57:48.000 I'm not on the board.

01:57:49.000 You can donate to help us pay our legal bills.

01:57:52.000 What's that site?

01:57:53.000 I post it on my Telegram page, too.

01:57:54.000 It's jameszookief on Telegram, and I've tweeted it out.

01:57:58.000 It's on our website.

01:57:59.000 You just go there, scroll down, and you can donate to a group That will help pay our legal bills.

01:58:06.000 This one's for you, James.

01:58:06.000 Matt from South Dakota says, I met my wife because of James.

01:58:10.000 He gave me a VIP ticket to the Project Veritas Experience last year, and I met a homeschooled girl from California.

01:58:16.000 We were married six months later.

01:58:18.000 I was the guy that told him to GTFO on the phone.

01:58:22.000 Do you remember?

01:58:24.000 I think so, but my comment on this is so many people have had babies because of me, it's like wild.

01:58:30.000 I heard so many people got married, like Hannah Giles, my colleague who did the acorn story, married Joe Basil who was in a jail cell with me in Louisiana.

01:58:40.000 There are so many stories like that.

01:58:41.000 Former colleague of mine, Brandon, got married to a fundraiser.

01:58:45.000 All these families and babies were created.

01:58:48.000 Now I gotta catch up, I gotta have babies at some point. 0.98

01:58:50.000 Yeah, me too!

01:58:52.000 Does anyone here have a family?

01:58:54.000 No, we don't gotta do it.

01:58:55.000 Nah, we're working on it.

01:58:57.000 Yeah, whatever the millennial generation is suffering.

01:59:00.000 Something, you know.

01:59:02.000 But I do think everyone here is actively working on it, so.

01:59:05.000 Yeah, baby.

01:59:06.000 O'Keefe, media groups up top.

01:59:07.000 I'm also the youngest, so... Yeah, I'm the oldest.

01:59:10.000 I blame you guys.

01:59:11.000 I'm gonna shame you guys.

01:59:11.000 How old are you?

01:59:12.000 I'm 28, so I'm still... I'm 44.

01:59:14.000 Dude, back in the day, I would've had like 12 kids by now and built a log cabin for them to live in.

01:59:20.000 How many kids do you guys want to have?

01:59:21.000 As many as God sends me.

01:59:23.000 Good answer.

01:59:24.000 Yeah.

01:59:24.000 Wow.

01:59:25.000 Do you guys have a number in mind?

01:59:26.000 No.

01:59:28.000 50,000!

01:59:30.000 All right.

01:59:33.000 Cindy Drellick says, I love James more than Luke and Ian's hair.

01:59:36.000 So much respect to James for all he's accomplished despite all the pushback.

01:59:40.000 Working in healthcare, we have experienced so many deaths due to complications of existing conditions.

01:59:44.000 Nothing to see here, folks.

01:59:47.000 Yeah.

01:59:47.000 It's sad.

01:59:49.000 All right, what do we got here?

01:59:51.000 Kevin Lee says, James, keep on exposing, and we do all need to address the corruption wherever we are.

01:59:56.000 Only way it will get better is if we get our hands dirty and get in the game.

02:00:02.000 And sometimes, and you know, going back to the Solzhenitsyn quote in the Gulag Archipelago, the line that separates good and evil runs through each and every one of us.

02:00:12.000 And this is like the Peterson, Jordan Peterson talks about like, We all have the capacity to do evil.

02:00:19.000 And when I went through what I went through, particularly in court and most recently, I could actually feel, I could feel the presence of evil, almost like trying to infiltrate my wounds, like trying to get inside of me.

02:00:32.000 I was like warding it off.

02:00:34.000 I was like fighting these forces that were trying to get inside of me or something like that.

02:00:41.000 And I know that sounds crazy, but I realize this is like a spiritual battle.

02:00:47.000 And in many ways, it's never the enemy.

02:00:49.000 Like, the enemy, the devil you know.

02:00:50.000 Okay, fight the enemy.

02:00:52.000 We have great people, many of them are commenting right now, watching this podcast.

02:00:55.000 Thank you so much, everyone.

02:00:58.000 But it's like, I have to be strong enough to prevent myself from being co-opted, corrupted, influenced, softened.

02:01:07.000 I have to be strong as a human being.

02:01:09.000 And as long as they don't take away my spirit, I can keep going.

02:01:12.000 But I can't be co-opted.

02:01:14.000 It's a fight that I have to fight within myself.

02:01:16.000 So do you get sunlight?

02:01:17.000 Is that like part of it?

02:01:18.000 Because I've noticed that I feel like spiritual resilience when I get enough sunlight.

02:01:22.000 And grounding.

02:01:23.000 Yeah, literally bare feet in the grass.

02:01:25.000 Do you do that kind of stuff?

02:01:26.000 Touch grass.

02:01:27.000 I do.

02:01:29.000 I do.

02:01:30.000 I mean, for me, it's being out on the water, taking a walk, just looking at nature.

02:01:35.000 Yes, that's part of it.

02:01:36.000 That's why we're out here.

02:01:37.000 That's great.

02:01:37.000 That's part of it.

02:01:38.000 You gotta pray.

02:01:40.000 Amen.

02:01:41.000 You gotta pray.

02:01:41.000 I feel that.

02:01:42.000 We're gonna go to the members-only show now, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and share the show if you really do think it's important, especially this one if you really liked it.

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02:02:05.000 James, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:08.000 Thank you all.

02:02:08.000 This has been one of the most amazing, amazing interviews slash discussions I've ever done.

02:02:15.000 And my main shout out is okeefmediagroup.com.

02:02:20.000 On that website, you can donate to our legal defense fund, which I encourage everyone to do.

02:02:24.000 You say you can only afford $2, do that.

02:02:27.000 You can sign up to be a journalist.

02:02:30.000 And you could subscribe to get our stuff.

02:02:34.000 Go to our website.

02:02:35.000 Every one of you can afford this.

02:02:37.000 One of those three things.

02:02:38.000 One of them is free.

02:02:40.000 Signing up to be a journalist doesn't cost you anything.

02:02:42.000 So, you know, there's my pitch.

02:02:45.000 O'KeefeMediaGroup.com.

02:02:46.000 And thank you, Tim, for doing this.

02:02:48.000 Thanks for coming.

02:02:49.000 Yeah, Seamus Coghlan, Freedom Tunes, we make cartoons, and if you guys want to check those out, we'll be uploading one tomorrow.

02:02:58.000 And yeah, I also want to shout out what James is doing, I think it's very important work.

02:03:01.000 Yeah, and people will follow you on Twitter, James, James O'Keefe, I-I-I, which indicates the third.

02:03:06.000 Yes, James O'Keefe the third, James O'Keefe, I-I-I on Twitter.

02:03:11.000 You mentioned the RFK, Robert F. Kennedy podcast.

02:03:14.000 Do you have a podcast now that you're doing?

02:03:16.000 I just started it yesterday.

02:03:17.000 Awesome!

02:03:18.000 Is this on YouTube?

02:03:19.000 It's behind our paywall, but we're putting out snippets on social media, and it's behind our paywall, and it's going to be different than the commentary.

02:03:29.000 It's going to be in-depth, sort of journalistic, because a lot of the stuff I don't do under cover work.

02:03:34.000 I'm talking to a source, they have documents, and I'm interviewing.

02:03:37.000 Almost like a mini-documentary podcast.

02:03:39.000 Oh man, that's awesome.

02:03:40.000 Bi-weekly, bi-weekly.

02:03:41.000 I'm looking forward to seeing it, dude.

02:03:43.000 Great to see you again.

02:03:43.000 I'm Ian Crossland, catch you guys later.

02:03:46.000 And Surge.com, that was quite the conversation.

02:03:48.000 I'm excited for the after show, if everyone's going to call in.

02:03:51.000 Again, I'm at Surge.com on Twitter.

02:03:53.000 Let's go to it.

02:03:54.000 We will see you all over at TimCast.com.

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