Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Russian Command Including Putin Reportedly Flee To Nuclear Bunkers w-John Mattingly

00:00:00.000 So we got this journalist, an investigative reporter who says that based on Russian flight

00:00:15.000 information from state air travel, it appears that Russia's nuclear high command, which

00:00:22.000 is Vladimir Putin and two other individuals, are currently holed up in nuclear bunkers.

00:00:27.000 And the general idea is that they've just now fled to these places.

00:00:31.000 Around the same time, we're getting reports that Putin is pulling back troops from Kiev.

00:00:36.000 Of course, ask the simple question, why would Vladimir Putin and their nuclear high command go to nuclear bunkers and then pull their troops back?

00:00:45.000 Well, a lot of people immediately say, looks like they're getting ready for some kind of bomb.

00:00:48.000 But the reality is there have been reports that Vladimir Putin may have already been in the bunker.

00:00:52.000 We know that the two other members of the nuclear chain of command in Russia have already been missing for a couple of weeks, likely in secure locations.

00:00:59.000 So I wouldn't look too much into this.

00:01:01.000 In fact, the story might actually be that Putin is pulling things back in general.

00:01:06.000 However, Russia did state, the spokesman for the Kremlin, that if they felt their existence was threatened, they would absolutely use nuclear weapons, which is not surprising.

00:01:14.000 So we're going to talk about that.

00:01:16.000 And then we got it.

00:01:17.000 We have a lot of other stories to talk about, but we're gonna have a really interesting

00:01:19.000 show because obviously with it's the midterms elections seemingly substantially more important

00:01:25.000 these days, I guess, to most people, because the culture war is so hot and a lot of people

00:01:29.000 are concerned.

00:01:30.000 A lot of Democrats are concerned.

00:01:31.000 They're not going to win.

00:01:33.000 Republicans have a general ballot advantage.

00:01:35.000 And one of the big issues that I constantly bring up is all of the lies over the past

00:01:38.000 10 years, all of these stories that have been put out by the mainstream media that have

00:01:42.000 just turned out to be false.

00:01:44.000 One of these stories, which was, um, I could go through the list for you again, but one

00:01:48.000 I typically don't mention, but was, was the story of Brianna Taylor.

00:01:52.000 The media story on this one, the narrative, was just not true.

00:01:55.000 So joining us is one of the officers from the incident, Sergeant John Mattingly.

00:02:00.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:02:02.000 Yeah, I'm John Mattingly.

00:02:04.000 I was a sergeant on the Louisville Metro Police.

00:02:06.000 I was there for 21 years.

00:02:08.000 Retired May of last year.

00:02:11.000 And so, now I've got a book coming out and just going around telling people about it.

00:02:16.000 12 Seconds in the Dark?

00:02:17.000 Trying to get some truth out.

00:02:18.000 That's right.

00:02:19.000 So, you are the officer who got shot.

00:02:22.000 Correct.

00:02:23.000 That was the story.

00:02:24.000 And so, the media lied about everything.

00:02:26.000 Oh yeah.

00:02:26.000 There's not much truth to it.

00:02:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:29.000 And I think there's a really interesting conversation here that people probably won't expect because, you know, the activist narrative is that you guys, or just police in general, are evil and single-minded.

00:02:41.000 But I think we'll have an interesting conversation about policing, what happened, what are people's rights, you know, how you view it.

00:02:47.000 Plus, a lot of stuff people probably don't even know about what really went down that night.

00:02:51.000 There's plenty of guys on my own department that even though they went through a year of riots, didn't even know the story behind it.

00:02:51.000 Exactly.

00:02:57.000 They didn't know the backstory.

00:02:58.000 So we'll get into all that and we also got Seamus.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, I'm Seamus.

00:03:02.000 I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.

00:03:03.000 We upload political cartoons every single Thursday, sometimes on Tuesday.

00:03:07.000 We got one coming out this Thursday on trans sports and the sort of like milquetoast conservative inc response we hear oftentimes and I think you guys will really enjoy it.

00:03:15.000 Very cool.

00:03:16.000 I am also here in the corner pushing buttons as I always am.

00:03:19.000 We don't have Ian tonight.

00:03:19.000 Happy to see Seamus.

00:03:21.000 Unfortunately, he is traveling back to be here with us again tomorrow, but he's not here tonight, so bear with us.

00:03:26.000 We'll get him back shortly.

00:03:27.000 Oh, Ian.

00:03:28.000 He's abandoned us.

00:03:29.000 Yeah, I know.

00:03:30.000 I had to sub inform last night, and I was gonna try to do my best Ian impression, but I figured... We should get you a wig. 0.93

00:03:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:36.000 But Ian might actually walk in the door.

00:03:37.000 I told him, I was like, if you get back or whatever, just walk in and sit down.

00:03:39.000 I hope he does.

00:03:40.000 I'd like to meet him.

00:03:41.000 Well, I think he'll be here no matter what, but hopefully he comes in anyway.

00:03:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:45.000 So, however, before we get started, why don't you guys go to TimCast.com, become members to help support the work we're doing.

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00:04:24.000 Let's get started with this first segment.

00:04:28.000 Ah, CNBC, with what appears to be some good news.

00:04:31.000 Russia repositions troops away from Kiev, marking a shift in the war.

00:04:35.000 Well, this sounds good.

00:04:37.000 I mean, the troops are going to be moving away from Kiev.

00:04:39.000 It sounds like Vladimir Putin is gearing up to pull back, maybe even retreat, and retreat to a high—retreat his high command into nuclear bunkers.

00:04:50.000 Okay.

00:04:51.000 That being the case, it now kind of reframes the retreat into, is Vladimir Putin pulling his troops out of Kiev because he's going to drop bombs on Kiev?

00:05:01.000 Is that a stretch?

00:05:03.000 No clue.

00:05:04.000 But I agree with you that it definitely changes the tone of the story to hear that he was going into a nuclear bunker rather than just pulling out.

00:05:04.000 Absolutely no clue.

00:05:11.000 I do have to wonder though, if this is just tabloid clickbait.

00:05:14.000 Yeah.

00:05:15.000 I mean, after what I've been through the last couple of years, I don't believe much of what the media says.

00:05:15.000 Yeah.

00:05:19.000 So it's, uh, I think it could be if he's in hiding, it could be because they've got inside information that maybe his own people are going to take him out because they're tired of losing family and friends in this useless war.

00:05:30.000 But is even that true?

00:05:31.000 Yeah.

00:05:31.000 Who knows?

00:05:32.000 This is the crazy thing about the war is that, for obvious reasons, you have all of these outlets reporting that Putin's fled to a bunker.

00:05:40.000 They're citing this journalist, Christo Grossov, who has links to British investigative outlet Bellingcat.

00:05:47.000 But it's too juicy a story for any of these outlets to pass up.

00:05:50.000 They absolutely have to.

00:05:52.000 And, you know, my issue with how all of these articles frame is, look, I think we should talk about it.

00:05:57.000 I think if there's a possibility an investigative reporter is saying, hey, this may be the case, it's probably a good thing people know because while we're probably not going to see nukes dropped anywhere, you just, you know, you don't want to imagine, imagine you do get someone who's ready to fire nukes and some story happens that indicates it might happen and they don't tell you.

00:06:14.000 You better know.

00:06:16.000 But I'd appreciate if these articles would start by saying, it's a single investigative journalist looking at flight paths from government planes.

00:06:26.000 Well, when was this put out?

00:06:27.000 Stories Today.

00:06:28.000 And it's by Metro?

00:06:30.000 Oh, no, it's everything.

00:06:31.000 I mean, everyone's picked it up.

00:06:33.000 So they're all citing this one guy from Bellingham.

00:06:35.000 I was going to say, if nobody else is talking about it, then it's probably true.

00:06:37.000 Yeah.

00:06:38.000 They're scared about it.

00:06:38.000 Oh, right.

00:06:39.000 Yeah.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, I wonder if, you know, we've seen all this media saying Putin's losing.

00:06:45.000 They're like, he's retreating, he's losing, it's not going well.

00:06:47.000 We constantly hear these stories about how his generals are dying, and I just don't know whether to believe any of it.

00:06:51.000 No, I mean, so I was talking about this with Alex on The Green Room, or in The Green Room.

00:06:58.000 Yesterday and people have been talking a lot about Russian disinformation We shouldn't believe anything we hear about the war that comes from the Russian government and fair enough I have no reason to trust them. 0.96

00:07:06.000 But also I have reasons to actively distrust my own government and the Industrial, you know military media complex that our own country has and so we're almost in the dark Who is it?

00:07:17.000 I think it was Mark Twain who said it's better to be uninformed than misinformed or something along those lines It's just every single time can I consume news media?

00:07:24.000 I almost feel like I'm getting dumber Yeah.

00:07:26.000 So I do want to make sure we point out we have a story from Times of Israel.

00:07:30.000 Zelensky says he's willing to make concessions to achieve peace without delay, which includes a compromise on the Donbass region.

00:07:36.000 So this is yesterday.

00:07:37.000 It's entirely possible what's really happening is Vladimir Putin's already been in a secure location.

00:07:42.000 They're pulling the troops back because they've won.

00:07:46.000 This is what Vladimir Putin wanted, the eastern region of Ukraine.

00:07:48.000 So no nuclear war.

00:07:50.000 What do we do afterwards?

00:07:51.000 Do we do we just say, OK, Putin's able to keep taking these territories and just I hear you.

00:07:56.000 I mean, I'll borrow a point from you here, Tim, and paraphrase you a bit.

00:08:00.000 I am not going to get my foreign policy wisdom from the people who believe Jussie Smollett.

00:08:06.000 Then who do you believe, man?

00:08:08.000 The people who believe the Covington kids?

00:08:10.000 I'm sorry, who did not believe the Covington kids.

00:08:14.000 Got that one wrong.

00:08:15.000 Who's gotten every single story wrong.

00:08:16.000 Who are you supposed to believe when we're talking about war?

00:08:19.000 Yeah.

00:08:20.000 I think social media has become, I mean, this is the first war we're fighting with active live social media stuff.

00:08:26.000 So we're getting a totally different take and a different spin than we're used to.

00:08:31.000 And so I think maybe some of the things are going to be good.

00:08:35.000 Kind of like during the protests in 2020, we had the live streamers out there.

00:08:39.000 And if we didn't have them, we wouldn't have really known what was going on.

00:08:42.000 Because the stuff you got were mostly peaceful, you know, while the fire's burning the building behind them.

00:08:47.000 Hopefully, that's going to be the same thing that happens here.

00:08:49.000 We'll get some on-the-ground, legit people that are part of it that can actually give us some of the truth.

00:08:56.000 Yeah, I mean, it sounds a little bit cheesy, right?

00:08:59.000 Because we hear people in the media using this as a talking point all the time.

00:09:02.000 But it is really important for people to be able to trust their media.

00:09:05.000 Unfortunately, we're really not able to.

00:09:07.000 There's just no media apparatus we can count on to reliably tell us the truth.

00:09:11.000 And so they're constantly bellowing about the fact that no one trusts them.

00:09:14.000 And they're constantly saying, if we really want to have a functioning society, there needs to be some common narrative people unite on and no one believes us.

00:09:21.000 But then they never take responsibility for lying.

00:09:23.000 And it's kind of funny.

00:09:24.000 It would almost be as if you were constantly cheating on your wife.

00:09:28.000 And when she didn't trust you, when you told her you were just at work late, your response was, you know, a household can't function if you don't trust your spouse.

00:09:35.000 Okay, well, there's a reason.

00:09:37.000 It's true.

00:09:38.000 We do need to be able to have people in these positions who we can trust, but we're just not able to.

00:09:42.000 And I think we've gotten so cynical on media.

00:09:45.000 Over the past couple years, and I've basically been cynical on media my entire life, that you lose sight of the fact that we've... It's really very sad that there aren't people we can, like, genuinely count on to give us the truth here.

00:09:55.000 I don't know if there ever was truth, to be honest.

00:09:57.000 Well, I would agree, and that's the thing.

00:09:59.000 I would also agree that oftentimes, we have our nostalgia goggles on, right?

00:10:05.000 And we look at the past and say, that's when the media was honest.

00:10:07.000 But we know that isn't true.

00:10:08.000 Like, the New York Times covered up the Holodomor.

00:10:10.000 There's a lot to dig into with the fact that our media was basically always dishonest.

00:10:14.000 And so I'm glad that's being exposed.

00:10:17.000 I really am.

00:10:18.000 But it just makes you sad that people don't have sources they can trust.

00:10:21.000 And I think part of it is because of how gigantic these outlets have become.

00:10:25.000 If you have more local politics being discussed by people and folks on the ground who live in the communities that they're discussing about cover the issues, I think you get more reliable information.

00:10:35.000 But when you have CNN trying to report on everything that happens in the country, it's just all the information is ripe to be manipulated by them.

00:10:42.000 Well, and you've also got what four major companies that control all the media outlets.

00:10:47.000 So there's something like that.

00:10:48.000 There's a monopoly on it.

00:10:50.000 And they're all kind of slanted the same way.

00:10:52.000 And they're all money driven.

00:10:53.000 So once you're money driven, the truth's out the window.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, it's gonna make me the most money today.

00:10:58.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:59.000 I feel really bad about this because I'm blanking on his name.

00:11:02.000 We had him on.

00:11:03.000 Very great guest.

00:11:04.000 He talked about the Loudoun County assault case.

00:11:09.000 He was the journalist who exposed it.

00:11:11.000 Oh, Luke Rosiak?

00:11:11.000 Yes!

00:11:12.000 Okay, thank you.

00:11:13.000 One thing he said that I thought was really instructive was, He, as a local, decided that he was just going to pay attention to an issue which was near to him, and so he called the father, who was being maligned in the media, and asked him why he responded the way he did, and the father explained that his daughter was sexually assaulted.

00:11:31.000 That's the kind of journalism we need, but it's no coincidence that it was a person who was a member of that community who actually got that information.

00:11:40.000 It's getting to the point where I don't think I can trust media sources that were not there on the scene or aren't part of the community.

00:11:48.000 And also, they have no incentive not to lie about what happened there.

00:11:51.000 It's not their community.

00:11:52.000 Well, take a look at this, right?

00:11:53.000 So we have this story, Times of Israel says, Ukraine could declare neutrality, offer security guarantees to Russia, and potentially accept a compromise in the contested area in the country's east to secure peace without delay.

00:12:05.000 Hinting at possible concessions.

00:12:08.000 Yo, this sounds basically like defeat.

00:12:11.000 Like Russia's won.

00:12:13.000 The president of Ukraine says we're going to give you what you want.

00:12:16.000 Now, they've been reporting over and over again that Russia was losing.

00:12:19.000 They showed these videos over and over again of Russian tanks being hit and Russians being ambushed.

00:12:23.000 They lie about, you know, these tanks running people over.

00:12:27.000 All just insane propaganda.

00:12:29.000 I, you know, I'd ask people, do you think Vladimir Putin is intentionally targeting civilians?

00:12:33.000 And they would say, yes.

00:12:33.000 And I'd say, why would you think that?

00:12:35.000 Like, I don't think Putin's a good guy, but we're not like, human beings are not comic book villains. 0.57

00:12:39.000 Well, he's not dumb.

00:12:40.000 He knows if he does that, then they go in and take over Ukraine and they occupy it. 0.96

00:12:45.000 He's not going to have their loyalty because he just killed their family members.

00:12:47.000 I should clarify, too.

00:12:48.000 What I mean is, there are people who believe that Vladimir Putin is killing civilians for the sake of killing civilians.

00:12:54.000 His invasion is killing civilians in the name of his military objectives.

00:12:59.000 But what I specifically mean is, do you think he was like, hey, go in there and kill civilians?

00:13:03.000 Well, of course not.

00:13:04.000 He's saying, go in there and just do what you have to do regardless of the consequences.

00:13:07.000 I mean, when our government kills civilians, it's collateral damage, and that's just the cost of waging war.

00:13:11.000 But of course, when other governments do it, it's because they intentionally want to kill innocent people.

00:13:15.000 Yes, but I do gotta pause there and issue a slight correction.

00:13:20.000 Under the Obama administration, we did something a bit more clever.

00:13:24.000 When the United States killed civilians in the Middle East, we just said, are they adult men?

00:13:30.000 No, they're enemy combatants.

00:13:31.000 If they were combat-aged males, they would not be classified as civilian deaths.

00:13:37.000 That slipped past me.

00:13:38.000 That's horrible.

00:13:38.000 I didn't know that.

00:13:39.000 Talk about dirty, dirty stuff.

00:13:41.000 And that's what's fascinating is that Whether it was Trump or just this emergent phenomenon, you end up with a lot of regular Americans, populist, conservative types, just finally coming out and being like, hey, we don't want any of that.

00:13:57.000 We don't want military-age males just being bombed and then you guys just pass the buck.

00:14:02.000 Donald Trump.

00:14:03.000 Runs as a Republican saying, bring our troops back.

00:14:05.000 The war makes no sense.

00:14:06.000 And people are clapping and cheering for him.

00:14:08.000 Joe Biden, you know, I love how the Democrats can keep pushing these lies about we don't want war.

00:14:13.000 And then what do you get?

00:14:14.000 You get chaos.

00:14:15.000 You get more war.

00:14:16.000 Isn't it so crazy?

00:14:17.000 Under Donald Trump, no new wars.

00:14:19.000 Certainly wars were being, were still being fought.

00:14:22.000 He was far from perfect on foreign policy.

00:14:24.000 Joe Biden gets in and how long until we got a new war?

00:14:27.000 Well, to be fair, Russia's invasion of Ukraine is different from a U.S.

00:14:31.000 invasion somewhere.

00:14:32.000 But there's global instability.

00:14:35.000 We've got reports of U.S.

00:14:36.000 troop movements in Syria.

00:14:37.000 This is almost immediately.

00:14:39.000 So it's not surprising.

00:14:40.000 North Korea shooting there. 0.61

00:14:42.000 Or China, whichever one's shooting the missiles back in the sea.

00:14:44.000 North Korea.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, North Korea.

00:14:45.000 I mean, look, under Donald Trump, we had security issues.

00:14:48.000 We had concerns.

00:14:49.000 You had North Korea doing their nuclear tests.

00:14:53.000 But I think the reason Vladimir Putin didn't invade Ukraine is because Donald Trump crushed ISIS and then pulled our troops out and Russia was like, all right.

00:15:01.000 And Russia went over there and got their tail kicked by them.

00:15:03.000 in the Middle East. I mean, they didn't fare very well when they went over there.

00:15:03.000 Yeah.

00:15:06.000 They thought they were going to go over and just do what they do, and they didn't.

00:15:09.000 And you talked about the propaganda. Zelensky, was it yesterday or the day before? I think it

00:15:14.000 was yesterday, said they're going to start putting kids back in school.

00:15:18.000 In Ukraine?

00:15:19.000 Yeah. And I thought, now, are they really going to go back to school, or is he going to say they are

00:15:26.000 and then blow up one of his own schools with nobody in it and say, we had these casualties

00:15:29.000 to make it look like Russia's this super enemy again?

00:15:32.000 I don't know.

00:15:34.000 I want to see in the next week or two if one of their schools happens to get bombed and then you'll know.

00:15:39.000 He kind of laid the ground for this.

00:15:41.000 The challenge with false flags is that it's always a simpler solution that an enemy bombed their enemy.

00:15:49.000 But we do know that countries and governments use false flags, like the U.S.

00:15:53.000 and the Gulf of Tonkin, or the proposals around Operation Northwoods.

00:15:58.000 Yeah, so it's tough.

00:15:59.000 Zelensky's lied already several times when he was like, oh no, they're bombing the nuclear facility.

00:16:04.000 Quick, NATO, no fly zone.

00:16:06.000 And they're like, there's radiation.

00:16:08.000 Oh, and then, you know, the International Atomic Energy.

00:16:10.000 He posted a picture with his generals and it was like four, three years ago.

00:16:12.000 Was it really?

00:16:13.000 Yeah, it was like 2018.

00:16:14.000 There's a video that, uh, this is the remarkable thing.

00:16:17.000 People are like, it looks like a green screen.

00:16:20.000 And then you actually see people online being like, it's not a green screen, it's just because they do a bunch of lighting, so it makes it look like the back isn't properly connected.

00:16:29.000 You can see his shadow, and I'm like, the image behind him is a still image.

00:16:35.000 The trees aren't moving.

00:16:36.000 There's no movement, no wind, nothing.

00:16:39.000 Trees move!

00:16:41.000 And it's just, whatever man, I don't know.

00:16:44.000 What I do know is they lie.

00:16:45.000 Everybody lies.

00:16:46.000 No, yeah, absolutely.

00:16:47.000 And it's so bizarre how people are willing to be completely cynical about their own political leaders until warfare breaks out.

00:16:56.000 And then every single thing they say is gospel truth.

00:16:59.000 And if you, if you doubt what they're telling you, you're siding with the enemy. 0.97

00:17:02.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97

00:17:04.000 They don't become good people. 0.99

00:17:05.000 You're a Putin apologist.

00:17:06.000 No, I'm not.

00:17:06.000 I'm just calling both sides.

00:17:07.000 They're both dirty. 1.00

00:17:08.000 Exactly.

00:17:09.000 The people who have consistently lied to us for their entire time on the public stage didn't miraculously become honest human beings because a conflict broke out on the international stage.

00:17:20.000 We got this story here.

00:17:21.000 Let's pull this one up from the New York Post.

00:17:22.000 This is just frustrating.

00:17:24.000 Hunter Biden laptop material entered into congressional record.

00:17:27.000 Hey, that's really, really good.

00:17:28.000 They say material from Hunter Biden's infamous laptop was entered in the congressional record at the request of Matt Gaetz.

00:17:34.000 The Florida Republican made the move during a hearing on oversight of the FBI Cyber Division after its assistant director, Brian Vordrin, Testified that he didn't have any information about the Hunter Biden laptop, which the bureau seized from a Delaware repair shop in 2019.

00:17:50.000 House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler initially blocked Gates's request but relented a short time later.

00:17:55.000 Nadler's change of heart came after what Gates described as consultation with majority staff.

00:18:00.000 I seek unanimous consent to enter into the record of this committee content from, files from, and copies from the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:18:07.000 Nadler responded without objection.

00:18:10.000 There's a lot of really nasty stuff in there.

00:18:12.000 But the craziest thing is some of these emails directly implicate Joe Biden in a scandal involving Ukraine and kickbacks, dirty dealing.

00:18:21.000 Well, and all of the same people who told you that this was a baseless conspiracy theory expect you to trust them on Russia and Ukraine.

00:18:27.000 Yeah.

00:18:28.000 And now, I mean, they come back well.

00:18:29.000 And Jussie Smollett.

00:18:30.000 And Jussie.

00:18:31.000 Two years later and say, oh, never mind, it was real.

00:18:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:34.000 Yeah.

00:18:35.000 No, it's real now.

00:18:36.000 Even then, they won't say, like, they almost try to do this funny thing where it's like, it's real now.

00:18:40.000 It's real now.

00:18:41.000 But, like, back then it wasn't.

00:18:43.000 When you were talking about it, it wasn't true.

00:18:45.000 Now it is.

00:18:45.000 You know the stories where they claim the laptop was Russian disinformation?

00:18:49.000 They're still up.

00:18:50.000 It's so paranoid.

00:18:50.000 Really?

00:18:51.000 corrected. Their opinion piece is masquerading as fact. So paranoid. How do we break people out of

00:18:56.000 these, these, these lies, these manipulations? How do you expose people to the truth and show them

00:19:02.000 the corruption? If, if, well, I think if somebody wants to believe that they're just going to the,

00:19:08.000 the topic of Russian disinformation is so hysterical, given that this is a concept,

00:19:13.000 which was a lampooned for decades.

00:19:16.000 As soon as the Cold War ended, and even during the Cold War, there was always a very tongue-in-cheek attitude that the American press and American media took towards any suspicion of Russia.

00:19:25.000 But then, as soon as they decided that you should think Russia is a real threat, Millions of people started thinking Russia is a real threat, even though weeks ago they had been making fun of people for even considering the possibility that Russia was a negative actor on the world stage or that we should be frightened by them.

00:19:39.000 So, I mean, if you're able to do that kind of a 180 because the media told you to, I'm not really sure what I can say to you to convince you otherwise.

00:19:47.000 Well, Russia is a threat to Western dominance and global domination. 0.81

00:19:53.000 Well, sure, I'm not saying that these other countries and other major players on the world stage are not adversarial to us in any way, but my point is it was considered laughable to say anything negative about Russia.

00:20:04.000 Remember in 2012 when Mitt Romney said that Russia was going to be a large geopolitical foe for us, and he was laughed at by everyone in media.

00:20:13.000 And then in 2016 we go, not only It's not as if they started taking this realistic approach of saying, well, Russia is a decently sized nation.

00:20:22.000 They're a world power.

00:20:23.000 Maybe we should be concerned about them.

00:20:24.000 It turned into everything that goes wrong in our country is because of Russia, which is insanely paranoid and a complete 180. 0.85

00:20:32.000 And it's just another buzzword. 0.89

00:20:33.000 I mean, yeah, like, like, you know, white supremacist, racist, homophobe, you know, it's whatever it's whatever that that's going to stick that that riles people up enough in their emotions that they don't care what the truth is.

00:20:46.000 I feel this certain way.

00:20:47.000 So I'm going to I'm going to express myself and believe you and attack the other person who doesn't agree with me.

00:20:52.000 It was a breath of fresh air when the when the biggest viral the viral story of the day was that Will Smith smacked Chris Rock.

00:20:59.000 Yes.

00:20:59.000 Because I'm just like, Good distraction.

00:21:02.000 But it's a good distraction, but kind of, you know, literally a good one.

00:21:07.000 Like, can we just back away real quick from being at each other's throats all the time and just argue about WWE on the Oscar night?

00:21:15.000 Yeah.

00:21:15.000 I mean, I think my instinct and the instinct of a lot of people when that first happened was to say that this is a distraction.

00:21:20.000 There's something important going on that they don't want us to see.

00:21:22.000 But then you dig a little deeper and you go, what are they distracting me from?

00:21:25.000 Something else they were just going to lie to me about anyway, and I wouldn't have gotten the truth on.

00:21:29.000 I think I'm getting jaded.

00:21:29.000 Yeah.

00:21:30.000 I don't know.

00:21:31.000 Everybody, you know, when it comes to arguing about Chris Rock and Will Smith, it's kind of just, it's relatively nonsensical.

00:21:37.000 When it comes to arguing about what's going on with the war, there is a good, you know, a good point in that we need to know exactly what's going on with legitimate information to prevent catastrophe.

00:21:49.000 But for the time being, you know, or I should say in this current time, people will just believe whatever they're told to believe.

00:21:55.000 Yeah.

00:21:56.000 People on the left are like, the media can lie to me a million and one times and I will still believe whatever they say.

00:22:00.000 Well, because they're not going to the media to get actual facts.

00:22:03.000 They're going to the media to watch the media forward a particular narrative.

00:22:07.000 And so if they get information wrong, it's actually inconsequential because they're still doing their job, which is telling me things that make me feel like I'm a good and virtuous person for supporting left-wing causes.

00:22:16.000 It kind of goes back to, I mean, they've almost got the abusive relationship syndrome.

00:22:20.000 Yeah.

00:22:21.000 Where, you know, you're going to beat me down, but then you're going to apologize, and I'll accept it, and then you're going to do it again, but you're never going to do it again, but then you do it again, but I love you, and I'm afraid nobody's going to love me if I don't, so I just keep coming back for you.

00:22:33.000 I hear you, but it's worse than that because there's never an apology.

00:22:37.000 Dude, I'd like flowers every once in a while, you know what I mean?

00:22:40.000 I should have gotten some chocolates after Russiagate at least when the deep state tried to depose a democratically elected president.

00:22:45.000 No, nothing.

00:22:45.000 Just story blew over.

00:22:47.000 I wonder if there's like a funny bit on business models that operate the same way.

00:22:52.000 They consistently don't do their job, but keep apologizing and you keep hiring.

00:22:56.000 Your toilet breaks, so you hire a plumber and he walks in and he's like, all right, let me get to it.

00:23:01.000 Eight hours later, he's like, all right, well, I'm leaving.

00:23:04.000 That'll be, you know, 500 bucks. 0.80

00:23:05.000 And they look and there's just crap everywhere.

00:23:07.000 We have those, it's called hedge funds.

00:23:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:10.000 Just keep doing it.

00:23:11.000 And it's also very true of political leaders.

00:23:13.000 You see this all the time.

00:23:14.000 Whenever someone's running for re-election, they go, the country still has all of these problems.

00:23:17.000 I didn't fix it in the first two years or four years.

00:23:20.000 Give me another four years to not fix it.

00:23:22.000 Yeah, or 47 years.

00:23:22.000 Or 47 years.

00:23:23.000 Give me more time to not do the thing that I was supposed to already have done.

00:23:26.000 If any other industry operated the way the media does, just think about hiring groundskeepers to mow your lawn and they leave and send you an invoice and you walk outside and they didn't mow your lawn.

00:23:41.000 You'd be like, okay, well they didn't.

00:23:42.000 Or worse still, They mowed it all awfully, and then they mowed your neighbors.

00:23:47.000 And you're like, okay, like, hey, you guys made a huge mistake.

00:23:51.000 And they go, no, we didn't.

00:23:52.000 Yeah, they call you.

00:23:53.000 They're like, actually, that is, you're like, hey, you guys messed my lawn.

00:23:56.000 Like, that's Russian disinformation.

00:23:58.000 Let me send you a Snorps article.

00:23:59.000 We actually did a great job mowing your lawn.

00:24:01.000 You're just against the Skaggs mower I used.

00:24:03.000 Exactly.

00:24:05.000 But it's funny that we tolerate this.

00:24:07.000 This is supposed to be one of the most vital services for a country and it's just broken.

00:24:12.000 I gotta say though, I think we're tolerating it less.

00:24:14.000 More people are paying attention to independent media.

00:24:16.000 But what's being done about it?

00:24:17.000 Yeah.

00:24:18.000 I think people are just not paying attention because you know what it is?

00:24:20.000 Alright, we're about to go a little bit.

00:24:21.000 So you mentioned abusive relationships and I want to take a little bit further on that analogy because when you are dealing with someone who is truly toxic, one of the best things you can do is just stop paying attention to them.

00:24:34.000 You're probably never going to hold them accountable.

00:24:36.000 You're never going to get them to admit they were wrong.

00:24:38.000 You just have to remove them from your life.

00:24:40.000 And I think that's what a lot of people are doing with mainstream media.

00:24:44.000 Yeah.

00:24:45.000 It's about time, I suppose, because no other industry gets, like, fails at their job this miserably.

00:24:53.000 Well, I guess government.

00:24:53.000 I was getting ready to say that.

00:24:55.000 is pretty, uh, they've set the tone.

00:24:55.000 D.C.

00:24:58.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 What will wake people up?

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:25:01.000 What will get people to finally, because I've asked everybody this.

00:25:04.000 Nothing.

00:25:05.000 People do not get involved in anything in life until it affects them personally.

00:25:09.000 Yeah.

00:25:09.000 For the most part.

00:25:10.000 That's just the way it is.

00:25:12.000 If we can just go about our business and just pretend it's not there, put my head in the sand, I'll just keep going on.

00:25:17.000 But once, like once I was affected by it personally, I took it more serious.

00:25:22.000 And then I was encouraged to reach out to people and go, Whoa, they're lying.

00:25:26.000 Hey, pay attention.

00:25:27.000 But before then, I knew they lied, but it was like, it's not affecting me.

00:25:31.000 I mean, it is, but it's not, you know, not personally.

00:25:34.000 On a personal, hardcore, right to the bone level.

00:25:38.000 And once it does that, it's kind of like drinking and driving.

00:25:40.000 It doesn't bother you until someone you know gets killed by a drunk driver.

00:25:43.000 And then you're like, oh man, that's horrible.

00:25:45.000 Or overdose.

00:25:46.000 You know, my cousin died of a fentanyl overdose.

00:25:51.000 And it's like, took a little blue pill that she thought was a muscle relaxer that somebody gave her and boom, gone.

00:25:57.000 I'm sorry.

00:25:58.000 What did it turn out to be?

00:25:59.000 Fentanyl.

00:26:00.000 Yeah.

00:26:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:01.000 You just said that.

00:26:01.000 So, you know, and while you put the good fight out for it, it's still not as personal until it affects you.

00:26:08.000 And then, you know, you just feel a little different.

00:26:10.000 Yeah, I mean, so speaking of which, I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the Breonna Taylor case.

00:26:15.000 I'm not sure we wanted to get into that in your story and what you feel the media lied about.

00:26:20.000 We're getting there.

00:26:21.000 Okay, alright.

00:26:22.000 Well then, on the thread that we were just on, your question is, what can we do to get people to wake up to this stuff?

00:26:28.000 I think making funny cartoons is one thing, but here's the thing.

00:26:28.000 Make funny cartoons?

00:26:31.000 Everyone in this room, anyone doing anything politically related for a career or talking about that stuff, Is completely useless and their job doesn't have a point if our audiences aren't standing up for these values in their everyday life.

00:26:44.000 So one thing that's been said on this show before by you, I believe, and it's something maybe I was a little too cynical to accept at the time, but I would more or less agree with now.

00:26:53.000 Is that with most people who buy into the narrative, if you were to sit down and have a half hour long conversation, even a 10 minute long conversation with them about a lot of these issues, they would come away with a different perspective.

00:27:06.000 Not the people who are ideologically possessed, but just your average person who believes in this stuff.

00:27:11.000 And so the solution is just for the people who are watching this show and who believe in what's being said here to be more willing to have conversations with people around them.

00:27:18.000 And I know it's frightening.

00:27:20.000 I know a lot of people are scared to do it, but there is never going to be any significant change unless that occurs.

00:27:26.000 Because we're just talking to you and it's funny because audiences will look to their preferred political commentators to talk about this stuff and what you don't realize is like we are looking at you guys to talk about this stuff.

00:27:37.000 It's a two-way street.

00:27:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:42.000 It can't just be us talking about this.

00:27:44.000 It can't just be us having these conversations.

00:27:47.000 You gotta bring this stuff up around people you know who can be persuaded.

00:27:50.000 I'm tired of hearing about secret Trump supporters.

00:27:54.000 You know, the secret Trump vote.

00:27:55.000 I'm like, why was it a secret?

00:27:57.000 Why didn't you tell anybody?

00:27:58.000 The only reason anybody had anything to fear if they were a Trump supporter is because Trump supporters wouldn't speak up.

00:28:05.000 Now, you gotta mix though.

00:28:05.000 Exactly.

00:28:06.000 Some Trump supporters wouldn't shut up about it.

00:28:08.000 Flying flags everywhere on their trucks and stuff.

00:28:10.000 I can respect that.

00:28:11.000 You know, a lot of people are like, oh, I better not say anything.

00:28:13.000 And it's like, just say it, because if everybody did, you'd be fine.

00:28:15.000 People are scared of everything.

00:28:19.000 It's amazing how scared this country has gotten.

00:28:22.000 Just, I mean, on every level.

00:28:24.000 I don't know if it's been the course over the years of you know, I remember back in probably 2010

00:28:30.000 we were in a big meeting at work and One of the higher-ups was talking he was like, well, you

00:28:37.000 know perception is reality We can't do that. And I was like, oh perception is not

00:28:42.000 reality. Reality is reality And I get what you're saying. You got to be careful how you

00:28:47.000 frame stuff, but it doesn't matter what this guy thinks of perception

00:28:51.000 If...

00:28:53.000 If Tim thinks, if his perception is different than 50 people, but we're worried about his perception, so we're not giving the truth, then we're hurting the other 50 people just to please the one.

00:29:03.000 And it's just got out of control.

00:29:04.000 It just kept going and going.

00:29:05.000 And now we're, where were we at?

00:29:07.000 We're so politically correct.

00:29:08.000 Everybody's scared to tell the truth.

00:29:10.000 Nobody has thick skin where they can take the truth.

00:29:13.000 And so we just shut up and then the loud ones run the country.

00:29:16.000 When people say perception is reality, there's a good point being made.

00:29:19.000 Right, I understand that.

00:29:21.000 What you see kind of dictates what you focus on and how you live your life.

00:29:25.000 But the problem we have with journalists is that they've taken that to heart, and instead of saying, I should seek other perspectives to fill out the narrative, they say, If I say it's true, because perception is reality and my perception is all that matters, so instead of doing any research and telling the truth or just like, eh, what I think goes.

00:29:44.000 I think both of you made points about the most vocal people representing the movement, and yeah, that's very much a consequence of your average person who exists within any of these movements or leans towards those movements being way too afraid to say anything.

00:29:57.000 And so unless you want your movement to be painted exclusively by the folks who are willing to talk, you have to stand up and say something.

00:30:03.000 And that's the point I really want to stress for everyone.

00:30:05.000 I know I say it pretty often on these shows, but if you guys aren't out there talking about this stuff, there's no point for us to be doing this.

00:30:13.000 I want to just jump straight into this next story because this is about Brenna Taylor's mother.

00:30:13.000 There's no point.

00:30:19.000 She's meeting with DOJ and demanding federal charges against the officers in the Brennan Taylor death.

00:30:23.000 So this took place in 2020.

00:30:24.000 This story is significant for a few reasons.

00:30:27.000 One, it plays into the heart of what I've been saying over the past several weeks.

00:30:30.000 Specifically, Trayvon Martin's story was fake.

00:30:32.000 The Michael Brown story was fake.

00:30:34.000 The George Floyd story was heavily lied about.

00:30:37.000 The Ahmaud Arbery story heavily lied about.

00:30:38.000 All these stories, I say they're fake.

00:30:40.000 I'll clarify.

00:30:41.000 They were all Extreme exaggerations and manipulations by the media to the point where in the George Zimmerman incident with Trayvon Martin, they edited the audio.

00:30:50.000 I think it was NBC News, right?

00:30:51.000 NBC News, yeah.

00:30:52.000 They edited the audio to make it sound like he was racist.

00:30:54.000 They cut out key context.

00:30:56.000 They've done this for basically every single major story that's resulted in Black Lives Matter riots.

00:31:02.000 And then when you try and get the real story, if you're able to get it, it's like all of a sudden you go, wow.

00:31:07.000 Now the interesting thing here is Republicans have a general polling advantage from RealClearPolitics about 3.4 points and with FiveThirty about 2.2 points.

00:31:17.000 When Democrats have a 5 point advantage or less, they lose seats in the House.

00:31:22.000 Republicans have an advantage, which is to suggest that people aren't falling for these stories anymore.

00:31:29.000 Here's where it gets crazy.

00:31:30.000 So we're sitting here with John Mattingly.

00:31:32.000 You were there.

00:31:33.000 You were involved in the whole incident.

00:31:35.000 And the media and the activists are still lying about what happened, trying to put pressure on the government to make changes and to get certain politicians elected.

00:31:43.000 Right.

00:31:44.000 So, we'll start here.

00:31:46.000 Like, what's this story about?

00:31:47.000 And then we can go back and we can get into the details.

00:31:50.000 Yeah, so this was just a couple weeks ago. 0.97

00:31:53.000 They went to D.C., her and Ben Crump, the clown that runs around and destroys cities and takes his money and jets. 0.93

00:32:01.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:32:01.000 He's a lawyer, right? 0.98

00:32:03.000 Which, I guess.

00:32:05.000 He can barely put two sentences together.

00:32:08.000 I don't know how he's a lawyer, but he just mumbles and jumbles when he talks.

00:32:12.000 So they went there and they met with the DOJ.

00:32:14.000 The funny thing is, during all this, I requested meetings with the FBI.

00:32:19.000 Denied.

00:32:19.000 Wouldn't talk to me.

00:32:21.000 They've met with them several times, and I'm thinking, well, how are you only talking to one side?

00:32:25.000 That doesn't make sense to me.

00:32:26.000 But anyway, that's a whole other thing.

00:32:28.000 So she went there, and they talked about, you know, what's going on in the case.

00:32:32.000 When are you going to do something?

00:32:33.000 When are you going to do something?

00:32:34.000 And the very next day, Katie Cruz was indicted by the feds, or two days later, a day or two later.

00:32:43.000 And who was Katie Cruz?

00:32:44.000 So Katie Cruz. 0.51

00:32:45.000 So the day, when all these riots started, the first night in Louisville, There were seven people shot in the very first night of riots downtown.

00:32:52.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:32:53.000 People were being just crazy.

00:32:55.000 And so the next night, you know, the police presence was still there.

00:32:59.000 It was still heavy.

00:33:00.000 Things were still out of control.

00:33:03.000 The crowd had moved from downtown because they were blocking streets off and stuff to more toward the west end of Louisville.

00:33:09.000 And we're at 26th and Broadway.

00:33:10.000 There's a little store there that it's called Dino's and it's always been a super problem area.

00:33:15.000 Shootings, robberies, drug activity, just it's just out of control area.

00:33:20.000 So however, these people were no longer rioting because they were in their neighborhood.

00:33:27.000 It was basically a huge block party.

00:33:30.000 I mean, the people were shooting guns, they were doing illegal stuff, but they weren't causing destruction like downtown.

00:33:36.000 They weren't, you know, doing the things that would require police presence to be forceful.

00:33:43.000 And so our department decided that they were going to send officers down there to clear it out.

00:33:49.000 They were breaking the curfew that was enacted by the mayor, which I don't agree with those either, but So when they sent him down there to enforce this curfew and make all these people leave this lot, there was some activity going on.

00:34:06.000 I think there were some gunshots right down the block.

00:34:08.000 And two other crews, from what I've heard, had turned down the request by the chief's office.

00:34:13.000 Wow.

00:34:14.000 Go down there and take it.

00:34:15.000 They went by, looked.

00:34:16.000 They said, too dangerous, out of control.

00:34:18.000 I'm not putting my guys in that situation.

00:34:20.000 OK, so they called another one.

00:34:22.000 Nope, not put my guys in that situation.

00:34:24.000 They called the third group.

00:34:25.000 He sent their people down there with the National Guard.

00:34:28.000 So, Katie, following commands, they're like, alright, if they won't disperse, shoot some pepper balls.

00:34:36.000 That'll put the OC in the air and it'll irritate people enough where they'll go inside. 0.60

00:34:42.000 She fired some pepper balls. 0.67

00:34:43.000 At that time, one of the business owners that owned a barbecue shop right across the street from that gas station comes out and shoots a gun at them.

00:34:52.000 Whoa.

00:34:53.000 So the National Guard fired back and killed him.

00:34:55.000 Right, I remember this story.

00:34:57.000 And so just a couple weeks ago she was indicted on civil rights violation for shooting a pepper ball.

00:35:02.000 Whoa.

00:35:03.000 Because they said her shooting the pepper ball caused him to think he was getting shot at and he fired back.

00:35:10.000 Now how they can know From a dead man, what his thoughts were, you know, shooting back at him.

00:35:15.000 Pepper balls do not sound like guns.

00:35:17.000 No, no.

00:35:18.000 Anybody who's gone to a paintball range and has ever gone to a gun range knows, come on.

00:35:22.000 And you know, that guy had video in his business.

00:35:26.000 Kind of like you have here, you know, cameras all over.

00:35:28.000 So he had some great angles and you could see everything that happened.

00:35:31.000 and our mayor would not release that until the media found out there was good video and pressured him and then he released it because everything they do is just just such he comes out and says oh we're we are very transparent transparency is the way to be which it should be you should be very transparent if you're if you're operating on the government's dime and they're paying you there should be no stone uncovered everything should be wide open If you are a cop, right now, I'm telling you, you're going to prison.

00:36:00.000 Yeah, it's no good.

00:36:02.000 They're headhunting.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:03.000 Look, we've seen all of these riots.

00:36:06.000 Summer is around the corner.

00:36:08.000 Summer is when riots pick up.

00:36:10.000 I'm not entirely convinced it'll be nearly as bad as 2020.

00:36:12.000 A lot of people were, they were angry for a lot of reasons.

00:36:14.000 You know, COVID locked them down.

00:36:15.000 People were on edge.

00:36:17.000 We may see things get pretty crazy, especially considering it's an election year.

00:36:20.000 We got the midterms coming up and it's going to be serious if Democrats lose the House.

00:36:25.000 It's going to be, it's going to be crazy.

00:36:26.000 So, so I'll tell you, so the, all the, all the cops out there, you, they're going to get called out.

00:36:26.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 They're going to get called out to a riot and they're going to be, and they're going to be given a reasonable order as, as it pertains to a violent riot of people, smashing windows and burning things down.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:40.000 Something will happen.

00:36:41.000 You'll go to prison.

00:36:42.000 And here's the catch 22 in that.

00:36:45.000 I've sworn an oath to protect and serve.

00:36:49.000 And as a citizen, I'm looking at the police going, why are you not acting when they're burning our stuff down?

00:36:56.000 Now they're being told by command, they follow orders.

00:36:59.000 Unfortunately, sometimes that's good, sometimes that's bad.

00:37:02.000 But they're following orders and they're told to stand down.

00:37:05.000 And a lot of them are looking at it now, what you just said, Tim.

00:37:08.000 They're going, if I act, I'm going to prison.

00:37:10.000 Screw that.

00:37:11.000 That building ain't worth me going to prison.

00:37:13.000 So they're staying them down.

00:37:15.000 So now the citizens are mad at you because you're letting stuff burn.

00:37:20.000 The government's mad at you if you do act, or they come at you.

00:37:23.000 So it's a no-win situation.

00:37:25.000 Too bad for the citizens.

00:37:26.000 Too bad for the civilians who wouldn't say, hey, maybe it's reasonable that we have a police force that's gonna stop people burning buildings down.

00:37:34.000 If they won't stand up for the cops that are going out just trying to stop rioting, well then, you deserve what you get.

00:37:40.000 And that's cops being like, look, if you don't got my back, I don't got yours, I can't.

00:37:43.000 Yeah, I was just gonna say that.

00:37:44.000 Well, there you go, that's the city you get.

00:37:46.000 I think it's unbelievably horrific for a police officer to fail to do their duty, to fail to protect the people that they're supposed to protect.

00:37:52.000 At the same time, if you're a citizen and you're lamenting this, ask yourself the question, if one of these police officers acted in a way which was justified to protect somebody else's livelihood and prevent their business from being burned down, and then they were placed on trial and the media was calling them a terrible racist, would you say anything?

00:38:07.000 Would you say anything to the people at work who were calling that man a racist for trying to protect people?

00:38:12.000 Probably not.

00:38:12.000 I mean, statistically, probably not.

00:38:14.000 So it's not just that police officers aren't doing their jobs.

00:38:16.000 They certainly aren't.

00:38:17.000 But nobody is.

00:38:18.000 No one's standing up for the things they're supposed to stand up for.

00:38:21.000 No one is standing up for civility.

00:38:22.000 This country's falling apart, man.

00:38:24.000 We're here.

00:38:25.000 Our viewers are here.

00:38:27.000 We're a community of people who care.

00:38:29.000 There are a lot of people in this country who care, but there's too many people, even who do, who they care about what's going on, are unwilling to speak up.

00:38:37.000 You know, from personal experience I can tell you, we've reached out to a lot of people.

00:38:42.000 You're willing to have me on, other people are, but there's a lot of people who still do not want to attach my name to anything.

00:38:48.000 Can you name them?

00:38:48.000 Do you want to name them?

00:38:49.000 Do you want to call anybody out?

00:38:51.000 Here's what I'll call out.

00:38:51.000 No, you don't have to.

00:38:53.000 So we were supposed to go speak in Ohio.

00:38:56.000 I won't give you the city.

00:38:57.000 But we're supposed to go speak in Ohio in April.

00:39:01.000 And they were going to use a training facility of this police department.

00:39:05.000 And the police department was still charging them.

00:39:07.000 They were charging them to use their facility.

00:39:09.000 And once they put the flyer out and it showed my picture on it, the chief of that department said, no, you're not using our training facility.

00:39:17.000 He's not welcome here.

00:39:18.000 For just a training?

00:39:20.000 It's a support thing for spouses who go through critical incidents.

00:39:25.000 And this group that was bringing us in is huge on bringing the community and the police together to try to merge them.

00:39:35.000 You know what I think is that we often talk about the problems of policing.

00:39:39.000 I've certainly complained about the cops who are enforcing COVID lockdowns and arresting salon owners.

00:39:44.000 But it's not a police problem.

00:39:46.000 Like this particular instance, when this cop arrests a salon owner, that was a cop problem.

00:39:52.000 The problem is just cultural and moral decay in the United States extends beyond the population and into police departments.

00:39:59.000 So what happens is, you'll get a dude who works maybe at an insurance company.

00:40:06.000 And they're doing a bunch of... How about this?

00:40:08.000 He works at a Home Depot.

00:40:10.000 And then Home Depot comes out and says, everybody, you got to do the woke stuff.

00:40:13.000 I think this was in Canada.

00:40:14.000 They did this.

00:40:14.000 And that guy says, I'm not going to say anything because protecting myself and my assets is more important.

00:40:21.000 I don't want my family to be sick or starve.

00:40:23.000 I can certainly understand that.

00:40:24.000 But what that means is that the cultural and moral connections of our society are gone.

00:40:28.000 Granted, that happened in Canada, but just an example.

00:40:30.000 If you work for a company and you won't speak up, for that same reason, neither will firefighters, neither will police, neither will politicians, nobody would.

00:40:40.000 That kind of goes back to your point which you made a few minutes ago, where it's our job to protect the city, but you said you can understand why they wouldn't.

00:40:49.000 I understand, but at what point do you go, okay, no matter what my sacrifice is, I'm willing to go out there because I want change?

00:40:56.000 No, this is exactly my point.

00:40:57.000 That when regular people aren't showing up to city meetings being like, look, we understand police reform can be done and there are problems people are upset about, but at the very least, stopping a riot should not be questionable.

00:41:12.000 But they don't do it.

00:41:13.000 These people are gonna be like, I'm not gonna say anything because then they'll come and ride at my house.

00:41:17.000 And okay, well then the cops aren't gonna do anything.

00:41:19.000 And you know what's worse?

00:41:20.000 The cops are gonna show up to your house when you're the victim and arrest you.

00:41:24.000 You see that guy in Wisconsin?

00:41:26.000 Guy was in his house, BLM showed up.

00:41:27.000 The McCloskeys? 0.95

00:41:28.000 No, no, no, no.

00:41:29.000 In Wisconsin, a guy was in his house.

00:41:31.000 BLM showed up to his house protesting.

00:41:33.000 The same organizer organized a previous protest and that set fire to another house.

00:41:39.000 So this guy brandishes a shotgun through his window.

00:41:41.000 As one should.

00:41:42.000 I mean, if people are going to potentially burn your house down, that's not a- I'm not giving people advice and saying you should do that.

00:41:47.000 No, I don't think he should have done that.

00:41:49.000 You don't think he should have- You shouldn't point a gun at them, but I think to let people know that you're- That's what he did.

00:41:53.000 Okay, well then no, you should not.

00:41:54.000 Brandishing was, he pointed the shotgun towards the window at the crowd.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, no, then you should not.

00:41:58.000 Holding it up. I'd be like fine. Whatever. Yeah, either way you're in your own house. Yes, I I have questions about

00:42:03.000 first of all I can say don't point your weapon at someone else you have

00:42:06.000 ever ever ever ever What unless you intend to use it that being said if you're

00:42:10.000 on your own property and you're and you're holding your weapon, you know

00:42:14.000 There's questions there But they'll ultimately that the real issue is the cops

00:42:18.000 showed up went to his house and arrested him to cheers from Black Lives Matter 1.00

00:42:22.000 They cheered.

00:42:22.000 The same group that wants to abolish the police was cheering when the police did what they wanted.

00:42:27.000 They'll go into your house and arrest you. 0.77

00:42:29.000 The McCloskeys are a good example though. 1.00

00:42:31.000 They broke on a private property, destroyed the fence.

00:42:34.000 The McCloskeys came out armed on their own property as they're legally allowed to. 1.00

00:42:38.000 Never pointed it.

00:42:40.000 She was dangerous with it.

00:42:41.000 She didn't know what she was doing.

00:42:41.000 But she did point it.

00:42:42.000 You can see her pointing at least one guy.

00:42:43.000 Okay.

00:42:44.000 And people thought this guy's boom mic on his camera was a gun.

00:42:47.000 But hold on there a minute.

00:42:48.000 A guy was holding a black object with a boom mic.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, sure.

00:42:52.000 In hindsight, you can tell it's not a gun.

00:42:54.000 Did she know that?

00:42:54.000 No, the adrenaline's flowing.

00:42:57.000 Even trained people, that's tough in that quick of a second to distinguish.

00:43:01.000 But somebody that's not trained coming out with that adrenaline dump and the fear, I mean, your rationale just goes away a little bit.

00:43:09.000 Well, I mean, also you have to consider if you're in your house and you're with your family and there are people outside of your house who, as you mentioned, had burned down a house previously.

00:43:09.000 Yeah.

00:43:18.000 Again, you should never ever point a gun at people if you're not willing to use it, but for people to know that you have some ability to protect yourself is obviously a good thing for you and your family and your security.

00:43:30.000 If you're going to burn my house down, I'm going to use it.

00:43:32.000 Yeah, well, if someone tries to burn your house down, they should know that it's on the table. 1.00

00:43:36.000 Like, well, if you try to burn my house down and kill my family, I will shoot you to prevent that from occurring. 0.98

00:43:40.000 You have the right to defend yourself from this violence and all this stuff. 1.00

00:43:44.000 So here we go.

00:43:45.000 What I'd like to say, you know, especially in the past several weeks, just name a story around Black Lives Matter, and it was fake.

00:43:51.000 Mm-hmm.

00:43:52.000 Name a single Black Lives Matter story that wasn't fake.

00:43:55.000 They were all fake.

00:43:57.000 Not true, but I want to make sure I clarify.

00:43:59.000 People died.

00:44:00.000 Yes.

00:44:01.000 Obviously, some things were done wrong or improperly, but the point is the media narratives coming out of all of these stories were untrue to some degree.

00:44:09.000 Yeah, and this is part of why I really want to dig into this, is because as someone on the right and someone who's very skeptical of BLM and their narratives, part of what sort of convinced me on the Breonna Taylor case, and again this is coming from someone who didn't pay as close attention to it as they did some of the other ones, Justice for Breonna Taylor.

00:44:27.000 Let's do this.

00:44:29.000 was saying that we should end no-knock raids, which I agree with, but he titled his bill

00:44:33.000 after Breonna Taylor. Justice for Breonna Taylor. So to me, and of course the mob still stopped him

00:44:40.000 and said, say her name, even though he created a bill with her name in it. Let's do this. Let's

00:44:44.000 start from the beginning because we have Jon here. Yeah. To just tell us the story, a lot of people

00:44:49.000 don't know about what went down with Breonna Taylor. I'm sure many activists will just accuse

00:44:53.000 you of lying, but at the very least, if you would like to give us the breakdown of the story,

00:44:58.000 I know you have a book about it, but you can just tell us what happened and we'll go from there.

00:45:01.000 Yeah. I'll give you the 5,000 view story of it.

00:45:04.000 So that night, we were asked to help.

00:45:07.000 Do you know the date specifically?

00:45:08.000 Yeah, so March 12th is when the briefing was.

00:45:11.000 We didn't breach the door until March 13th, which is Friday night, full moon.

00:45:16.000 I came out from the briefing and I had two flat tires.

00:45:19.000 It started pouring down rain.

00:45:20.000 I got soaking wet while I was moving my stuff from one car to the other.

00:45:23.000 So everything was just kind of one of those nights.

00:45:25.000 What was the briefing?

00:45:27.000 So we had two separate briefings.

00:45:30.000 SWAT did their briefing because they were executing the Warren Stone Elliot.

00:45:34.000 The guys who were assisting them that were going to do the searches were at our brief, along with us.

00:45:40.000 All the houses that we were doing were on the board.

00:45:43.000 They showed above it.

00:45:44.000 Fortunately, I took a picture.

00:45:46.000 It showed above it.

00:45:47.000 No-knock, no-knock, no-knock.

00:45:48.000 It got to ours.

00:45:49.000 It said knock and announce.

00:45:51.000 So they had changed it.

00:45:52.000 They were all signed as no-knocks.

00:45:53.000 So technically we served a no-knock warrant, but it was not served as a no-knock.

00:45:58.000 It was signed by a judge as a no-knock, but once it did not fit the parameters of a no-knock, we didn't serve it as a no-knock.

00:46:04.000 We did the thing we're supposed to do.

00:46:06.000 We corrected it and didn't do it.

00:46:08.000 So the only reason it was written as a no-knock is because Jamarcus Glover's history, he had five, I believe it was five, felony pending cases for guns and drugs.

00:46:18.000 He had ran from the police.

00:46:20.000 And these were active cases, not including the ones he had already been charged with and pled guilty to previously for Mississippi and Louisville.

00:46:27.000 And so once they realized they had a ping on his phone and a tracker on his car, they knew he would not be on Springfield.

00:46:35.000 So they said, we're not doing that one as a no-knock because it didn't justify being a no-knock.

00:46:39.000 He wasn't there.

00:46:40.000 And they said, we think it's only Breonna Taylor at the house. 0.73

00:46:43.000 We don't think there's any kids, no dogs, nobody else there with her.

00:46:46.000 Okay, cool.

00:46:47.000 They've been watching this house for a while.

00:46:49.000 I had assumed that their intelligence was good on the house, that it was just going to be Breonna Taylor.

00:46:54.000 They said, she's a heavyset black female, give her time to come to the door. 1.00

00:46:57.000 Give her more time than usual.

00:46:59.000 Because normally it's about 10 seconds, you're banging on the door, please search warrant.

00:47:02.000 If you don't hear anything, then you go ahead and hit it.

00:47:05.000 So this one, when we went, we showed up and we gave it 45 seconds to a minute.

00:47:10.000 It was, I think, six different cadences of knocking on the door and yelling police search warrant.

00:47:14.000 The first two were just regular knocks, hoping she would just come to the door, be quiet, the neighbors wouldn't know.

00:47:19.000 After she didn't come, started banging open hand really loud, yelling police search warrant.

00:47:23.000 The neighbor upstairs heard us, came out, argued with our guys.

00:47:27.000 They kept telling him to go inside.

00:47:28.000 He didn't want to go back inside.

00:47:30.000 So finally he did.

00:47:32.000 We hit the door.

00:47:34.000 Once the door opened I could see from right to left in the living room and I was on the left of the doorjamb and Mike, the guy who did the rain, was on the right because you never stand in the fatal funnel in case somebody shoots through the door.

00:47:45.000 So once the door came over I scanned to the right to left everybody at this point yelling police search warrant, police search warrant.

00:47:51.000 When I turned the corner I had to step right in the doorway just to see down this hall and as soon as I did there was an ambient light coming out from the TV down the hall.

00:47:59.000 We had lights on our guns.

00:48:00.000 As soon as I turned the corner I saw two people overlapping each other.

00:48:03.000 It was like a big blob but with a tall head and a short head.

00:48:06.000 And they were both down the, and this hallway's only maybe three, four feet wide at the most.

00:48:11.000 So very narrow hallway because it had an inset where Kenneth was standing that goes into the next bedroom.

00:48:16.000 And that's Brianna's boyfriend?

00:48:17.000 It's her boyfriend at this time.

00:48:17.000 Yes.

00:48:19.000 And so as soon as my eyes got to Kenneth, I never even got all the way to Brianna, even though they were like, it was basically one person, but I never got to her face.

00:48:27.000 As soon as I got to where Kenneth was, I could see the gun because the flashlight.

00:48:30.000 All I saw was the metal tip of the gun and my brain was like, oh, and boom, it was over.

00:48:34.000 He shot.

00:48:35.000 He shot first?

00:48:36.000 Yes, he shot.

00:48:37.000 I felt it hit my leg.

00:48:38.000 I returned fire.

00:48:39.000 I got four rounds off.

00:48:40.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 Was the first shot fired?

00:48:42.000 It hit you?

00:48:43.000 Yes.

00:48:44.000 So you open the door.

00:48:47.000 Kenneth, do you know his last name?

00:48:48.000 Walker. 0.88

00:48:48.000 Walker fires one round, striking you in the leg. 0.88

00:48:52.000 Right.

00:48:52.000 And then the other officers return fire?

00:48:54.000 Correct.

00:48:55.000 I fired four.

00:48:56.000 I got offline is what it's called so boom boom boom boom real quick four shots got behind the door frame came around shot two more at that time I felt my leg realized there was a ton of blood and I've seen you know countless gunshot victims over 21 years and a normal leg shot that doesn't hit an artery is it doesn't bleed much I mean you might have a trickle of blood down your leg that's it well this one as soon as I put my hand on my thigh I could feel just a glob and I was like oh man and I announced at the door.

00:49:21.000 I mean, everything happens so quick.

00:49:23.000 So I got six rounds off in probably less than two seconds.

00:49:26.000 I mean, it's how quick this whole exchange happens.

00:49:28.000 It's over before you even realize what's going on.

00:49:30.000 Training kicks in and you just react.

00:49:32.000 So I remember yelling, it hit my femoral artery and I sat down on my bottom because I thought,

00:49:38.000 I can't, I'm gonna pump the blood out.

00:49:39.000 That's what I was thinking in my head.

00:49:41.000 And as I did that, Miles stepped up and was shooting already.

00:49:45.000 And I thought, I can't stay here.

00:49:46.000 I'm going to get shot by crossfire.

00:49:48.000 So I jump up and I hobble out and I fall between the cars.

00:49:51.000 And my lieutenant comes up and they start working on me.

00:49:53.000 I'm like, dude, I need a tourniquet.

00:49:55.000 Get me a tourniquet.

00:49:56.000 And they finally got one, got it on, and got the bleeding stopped.

00:50:00.000 But at that time, people say, well, why was there so many shots fired?

00:50:06.000 12 seconds in the dark the book the title comes from the time that door came open until it was silent from no gunshots the chaos stopped and that was about 10 to 12 seconds from what we've tried to reenact it and see and so much happened so much chaos so many things go through your mind in that 12 seconds That it's just amazing how much damage can be done in that small amount of time and how much aftermath damage, the city, the country, the nation, from 12 seconds.

00:50:36.000 And it's just, it's sad.

00:50:38.000 So you get out of there.

00:50:41.000 So you collapse between two cars.

00:50:42.000 What was the distance between the door and where you ended up on the ground?

00:50:46.000 With getting medical attention.

00:50:47.000 So I'll try to give you a visual of it.

00:50:49.000 If you're looking at an apartment complex and they have the inside where the stairs go up to the top, you've got that little foyer area which is maybe, I don't know, 12 feet deep and 10 feet wide.

00:51:00.000 That's where we were at.

00:51:00.000 This was ground floor, right?

00:51:03.000 And so I was all the way on the inside, so I hobbled out of there, then a sidewalk, a curb, and then the length of a car.

00:51:10.000 So I went down between the cars, butt scooted to the edge of the cars, and that's when my lieutenant grabbed my vest and pulled me out and got to work.

00:51:17.000 But the thing about Kenneth Walker, you know, he keeps saying he didn't know it was the police.

00:51:22.000 First they said nobody knocked and announced.

00:51:24.000 Then he comes back later and goes, yeah, we heard him knocking.

00:51:26.000 We heard him banging.

00:51:27.000 And I thought it was her ex-boyfriend is what he said.

00:51:31.000 So, if you thought, but then he said he thought somebody was doing a home invasion.

00:51:35.000 If you thought that, why would you have your girlfriend, they got up, got dressed, he retrieved a gun, why would you tell your girlfriend, come in the hall with me?

00:51:43.000 I'd imagine if he thought it was her boyfriend.

00:51:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:47.000 Like, they genuinely thought it was... But if you're that scared for your life that you're willing to shoot, wouldn't you have her call 9-1-1?

00:51:54.000 Stay in here and call 9-1-1.

00:51:55.000 Get them over here. 0.95

00:51:55.000 I mean, you know, it's a tough question about whether or not somebody wants to call the police to a situation that's about to get hot, whether they're even thinking about it, how someone reacts. 0.95

00:52:04.000 I mean, you know, you're talking about 12 seconds.

00:52:07.000 They hear a big bang.

00:52:08.000 It's about 45 seconds.

00:52:10.000 I can't assume these people would react the same way I would.

00:52:14.000 I can't assume they trust cops, you know, to come and resolve the problem.

00:52:17.000 But more importantly, I mean, it's even fair to say They're not going to call the cops because they might be involved in illicit dealings or something.

00:52:23.000 And so this is street justice.

00:52:25.000 That's probably more the case.

00:52:26.000 So when they downloaded his phone after the fact, they found text messages in there with him and other guys.

00:52:31.000 You know, there's pictures of him with his gun, which is no big deal.

00:52:33.000 Everybody can have a gun.

00:52:34.000 But they had it also with a bag of like pills that were probably fentanyl pills because they were the same little blue pills.

00:52:40.000 Weed, whatever.

00:52:41.000 Nobody cares about weed.

00:52:43.000 And so, but he was selling, there's text message in there, him selling all this stuff to different people.

00:52:48.000 That's irrelevant.

00:52:49.000 The one that stuck out was the one where these other guys said, Hey, do you want to hit this lick with us? 0.60

00:52:54.000 And he said, well, how much is it worth?

00:52:55.000 And they said 20 grand.

00:52:56.000 And he was like, it's fine, but I always do my homework first.

00:52:59.000 Meaning he sets up, watches people, see how they react.

00:53:02.000 And again, this guy didn't have a job.

00:53:04.000 He was getting ready to start.

00:53:06.000 One day it was UPS.

00:53:07.000 The next day it was postal.

00:53:08.000 I don't know which one it was, but he was getting ready to start a job.

00:53:10.000 That's always the case.

00:53:11.000 Getting ready to get my life together.

00:53:13.000 And so...

00:53:16.000 A lot of times what these drug dealers will do, they'll rob other drug dealers.

00:53:19.000 That's just common practice.

00:53:20.000 They won't report it to the police because what are you going to say, they stole my drugs and money?

00:53:25.000 But the way they do it is they'll go up and they'll bang on a door and yell police.

00:53:29.000 And when that door gets open, they've got a gun in and they rob them.

00:53:32.000 That happens all the time.

00:53:34.000 You think that's what he thought was happening?

00:53:35.000 I don't know if that was his MO of previous cases that he had done.

00:53:38.000 So he thought, uh oh, it's coming back on me.

00:53:41.000 I don't know.

00:53:42.000 It's hard to say because he's lied so many times we don't know the truth.

00:53:45.000 There's the simple general circumstance, nuance excluded, that I've mentioned in the past.

00:53:52.000 That if you're a law-abiding citizen, armed legally, and someone kicks your door in and you don't know it's the police, you have a right to defend yourself from a perceived home invasion.

00:54:00.000 Absolutely.

00:54:01.000 I agree.

00:54:01.000 Absolutely.

00:54:01.000 There have been many, you know, stories I've seen, read about, or a couple at least, where plainclothes cops, you know, are serving a no-knock warrant or something and then they get shot and the person ends up, you know, going to prison or whatever and I'm like, I think that's horrible, yeah.

00:54:14.000 But when you say plainclothes, let me correct this, because this was a big sticking point of ours, too, because we were in what's called plainclothes.

00:54:20.000 However, we had tactical vests on that said police across the front, we had our badges on, you know, seven white dudes going to a black guy's house.

00:54:28.000 It's just not the norm that's going to go rob a drug dealer.

00:54:31.000 It's just not, it doesn't happen.

00:54:35.000 Let's move forward with the story a little bit and talk about the lies.

00:54:40.000 So, the big narrative that comes out is that Branna Taylor was sleeping in her bed, and you guys just basically shot into the house willy-nilly, killing her while she slept.

00:54:48.000 Yeah, the big thing was, we came in in the middle of the night, didn't knock, didn't announce, and killed her in her sleep.

00:54:54.000 So, she was sleeping before we got there.

00:54:57.000 But Bing Crump's the one that kept pushing this.

00:54:58.000 She was asleep in her bed thing.

00:55:00.000 Sleep over, over, over.

00:55:01.000 He came out initially and said, they even had the wrong house.

00:55:04.000 They weren't even supposed to be there.

00:55:05.000 And I'm going, oh my God, we've got the search warrant, but our city refused to put it out.

00:55:11.000 I'm like, just show them the address and name on it.

00:55:14.000 It's all you got to do.

00:55:15.000 You know, this doesn't hurt the investigation one bit.

00:55:19.000 You mentioned before that they were gentrifying the area?

00:55:23.000 Something was going on with that?

00:55:23.000 Yes.

00:55:24.000 What was that about?

00:55:25.000 So down on Elliott, which is where Glover was at, where SWAT did the no-knocks, for years they had been buying up these properties.

00:55:33.000 What they would do is they would go in and they would condemn them, buy them from the homeowners for a buck apiece.

00:55:37.000 And so the city had taken the majority of that block.

00:55:41.000 In 2000, I believe it was 18, they had the University of Kentucky's engineering department, or architectural department, draw up plans for this new vitalized area.

00:55:52.000 And it looked nice, and you do want areas like that to be revitalized, but you've got to do it the right way.

00:55:57.000 You can't just go in and bully people out of their houses and basically steal it as the government.

00:56:01.000 I don't agree with that.

00:56:02.000 So what they did was they sent a map out through their email and it had the houses they already had marked off and it showed the houses they needed to still get.

00:56:13.000 So in January they started this new unit up called PBI, Place Based Investigations.

00:56:17.000 They got it from Cincinnati.

00:56:19.000 And what this was supposed to do is go after your most violent or your most troublesome

00:56:26.000 areas to clean up those neighborhoods. 0.79

00:56:29.000 Because even in these poor neighborhoods, 80% of the people are great people.

00:56:32.000 They really are.

00:56:33.000 They're just stuck in an area that they can't get out of.

00:56:36.000 And I think the government resources could be used so much different to get these people

00:56:40.000 on their feet now.

00:56:41.000 For instance, and this is off topic of this, but this is just my little rant on this kind of stuff.

00:56:46.000 Because when you keep these people entrapped like this and enslaved with all the government assistance and their inability to get out, then it causes these problems to compound.

00:56:55.000 And these guys are looking for ways out by selling drugs or robbing people or doing whatever they have to do to survive.

00:57:00.000 I mean, it does become survival of the fittest in some of these areas.

00:57:02.000 If you go in these areas at night, it's like a third world country.

00:57:05.000 I mean, you wouldn't believe it.

00:57:07.000 And that's the problem with most of the citizens.

00:57:09.000 They don't live in those areas, so they don't know what it's like when you go after dark and there's gunshots and there's fights and there's, I mean, it's just, you go, oh my goodness, this wasn't like this two hours ago.

00:57:20.000 You know, when the sun was up, it's just different.

00:57:22.000 But I think they could go in and say you're on Section 8 or assistance.

00:57:27.000 Instead of just constantly giving you money, why don't they or I mean these women get trapped. 1.00

00:57:32.000 Okay, here's your assistance, but if you make X amount of money, we're taking that assistance away.

00:57:37.000 Why don't you let them succeed in their careers?

00:57:40.000 for five years and then slowly taper off the assistance while they're achieving this so they can get out of this environment.

00:57:46.000 I mean, then in the end, the government saving money because you're not keeping these people on your payroll for their entire life and you're helping the community by getting them out and getting them established.

00:57:46.000 Right.

00:57:46.000 I agree.

00:57:56.000 And then 15, 20 years from now, when they're having kids and their kids are having kids, you've got a totally different.

00:58:01.000 It's like turning the pond over every year, you know, and you get you get new stuff.

00:58:06.000 But on this case, the gentrification, he was They came in and a guy from the mayor's office came in every single week and met with this unit and all the bosses.

00:58:16.000 All the assistant chiefs would come in and they would come in.

00:58:19.000 They would talk about what they needed to do to secure the rest of this.

00:58:23.000 What were you doing?

00:58:23.000 They were going right on the whiteboard.

00:58:25.000 I was never involved in those meetings.

00:58:26.000 Didn't care.

00:58:27.000 I had my own job.

00:58:27.000 Didn't want to be.

00:58:29.000 But they were there every single week.

00:58:31.000 And when this all came down, the mayor was like, well, I don't know why they were there.

00:58:35.000 I have no idea.

00:58:36.000 And when that came up, the gentrification, he was like, I didn't know anything about that.

00:58:41.000 But his name's on the emails.

00:58:43.000 He knew this was a guy from his office conducting these meetings.

00:58:46.000 A woman that he ended up having an affair with, allegedly, Was the project manager for this thing.

00:58:53.000 So there's a lot of things that are going on.

00:58:56.000 This sounds like what actually happened with the story is dirtier and bigger than people realize.

00:59:01.000 I mean, when you mentioned that, I'm like, this sounds like there's probably real estate developers involved to go to the city and say, we want to turn a profit.

00:59:08.000 So he says, we're going to clean up this neighborhood.

00:59:09.000 You got it.

00:59:10.000 Well, it's funny.

00:59:11.000 He uses a certain friend.

00:59:13.000 Um, I won't say his name.

00:59:15.000 But he uses a certain friend.

00:59:16.000 They already redeveloped one into the town that was a real bad end of town.

00:59:20.000 It's called Nulu now.

00:59:21.000 And it's they brought in restaurants and it's neat.

00:59:24.000 You know, it's kind of a yuppie area.

00:59:27.000 But the same developer got all those bids, all those contracts, and he was the one that was going to get these.

00:59:32.000 So there's a lot of under the table deals going on.

00:59:35.000 And unfortunately, the police are always used as the pawns, like we were talking about earlier with the with the vaccine stuff mandates enforcing that.

00:59:43.000 Yep.

00:59:44.000 If I can use the police who have the authority as my pawns to go do it, then I can look back and go, man, it wasn't me, it was the cops.

00:59:50.000 But these cops just need to say, I'm not going to... 100%.

00:59:52.000 They do.

00:59:53.000 Yes, they do.

00:59:54.000 Well, I want to carry on the story, though.

00:59:56.000 So here you are now, you wake up in the hospital.

01:00:00.000 Grant Taylor has died.

01:00:01.000 Did Kenneth get injured in any way?

01:00:03.000 No.

01:00:04.000 So what happens?

01:00:06.000 You pass out on the ground.

01:00:07.000 No, I stayed alert conscious the whole time and I've told people and I've told people because I went around talk to some people about critical incidents and you're not required by law to give a statement right away because in critical incidents a lot of people if you wait a few days some things you start remembering stuff that you've you know for your own protection you blocked out.

01:00:29.000 But for some reason when I woke up it was like it was burned into my brain and I say I wish I would have at least if I didn't give my official statement I wish I would have recorded it that day because it hadn't changed one bit.

01:00:40.000 I mean everything I said then I said now the only things I forgot I forgot I had put a ball cap on that night because I got rained on and I'm real conscious about my hair so I threw a hat on because it was all messed up.

01:00:51.000 So I forgot about that but other than that it was like it burned in me.

01:00:56.000 So, but I waited 12 days to give a statement because I was in the hospital then recovering on pain meds and all that.

01:01:02.000 And so that became an issue because they were like, oh, it's a cover-up.

01:01:05.000 Why do you wait so long to give a statement?

01:01:07.000 I'm like, oh my gosh, you know?

01:01:08.000 Yeah.

01:01:08.000 This is my statement.

01:01:09.000 It hadn't changed.

01:01:10.000 Every interview is the same.

01:01:12.000 So, what did you ask me on that particularly?

01:01:14.000 No, just what happens next.

01:01:15.000 So, you're injured, you stay up all night, you're in the hospital.

01:01:19.000 I'm wondering, you know, what happens when you realize this was turning into a national story?

01:01:25.000 Like, was it riots are starting up or the news is picking it up?

01:01:29.000 So, one of the first things I asked my wife, I was like, man, was anybody hurt?

01:01:33.000 Because I didn't know.

01:01:34.000 I didn't know if anybody had been shot in the apartment.

01:01:35.000 Because, you know, I was busy trying to tend to myself and stay alive.

01:01:40.000 And they told me, yeah, it was a female. 0.99

01:01:42.000 And I was like, crap. 0.96

01:01:43.000 Because I knew when I came there, the taller one was probably a guy. 0.97

01:01:47.000 I couldn't pick him out.

01:01:48.000 But, you know, you kind of knew.

01:01:50.000 You can kind of tell body types.

01:01:51.000 And I was like, man, because every cop's biggest fear is, or at least mine, I can't speak for everybody, my biggest fear in this career has always been, I don't want to accidentally shoot or kill the wrong person.

01:02:02.000 I mean that's just a thought that you're constantly playing because there's been other times I could have been involved in shootings where people pulled guns or I've been shot at another warrant and didn't return fire because I couldn't see through what I was shooting at and because the fear is always I only want to do the right thing.

01:02:21.000 I don't want to overstep these boundaries and in this position take somebody's life because it's a pretty heavy burden.

01:02:28.000 And when that happened, I was like, oh my goodness.

01:02:31.000 Because after Ferguson, every cop shooting that comes out now, we go, were they black or white?

01:02:37.000 You know, not was it a good shoot or bad shoot, which should be all that matters.

01:02:41.000 Color should not play any relevance to it, but it does.

01:02:44.000 So ever since Michael Brown, that's the question, were they black or white?

01:02:47.000 Well, I knew Brown was black because I'd seen her picture prior to this. 0.92

01:02:51.000 And so I was like, my goodness, you know, this isn't going to be good.

01:02:55.000 I just kind of knew it.

01:02:56.000 And however, COVID, the nation shut down on March 13th also.

01:03:00.000 That's when everything shut down.

01:03:02.000 President was on every day.

01:03:03.000 Our governor was on every day.

01:03:05.000 So it kind of got pushed down.

01:03:06.000 And I think that's what our mayor and our police chief counted on.

01:03:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:03:12.000 Well, if this is the big story, we can just, this will go away.

01:03:15.000 Something else will come up.

01:03:17.000 And then Ahmaud Arbery happened.

01:03:19.000 And Ben Crump was hired on Ahmaud Arbery.

01:03:22.000 Well then, after that, one of the attorneys on Breonna Taylor's case for her mother knew Ben Crump.

01:03:29.000 She had worked with him on a case.

01:03:31.000 So she called him and said, hey can you help us on this one?

01:03:34.000 So he came into town and then things had already been, there had already been lies or misconceptions and part of that was the police department's fault because they didn't share any information with Breonna Taylor's family either.

01:03:45.000 So I understand their frustration.

01:03:46.000 I get it.

01:03:49.000 But then once he got on, it was a whole new animal, man.

01:03:52.000 It was because he already had the national spotlight from Ahmaud Arbery.

01:03:55.000 So then now Breonna Taylor's there.

01:03:58.000 And so I could feel the tension in the city starting to creep up.

01:04:02.000 You could feel it.

01:04:03.000 And I started reaching out to people.

01:04:05.000 I even reached out to our city council president, who used to be a police officer.

01:04:09.000 He was my training officer in the academy.

01:04:12.000 And I said, man, I text him.

01:04:14.000 I've still got it on my phone.

01:04:15.000 I was like, here's all the lies they're saying.

01:04:18.000 And I listed it as pages of text.

01:04:20.000 And I said, here's what really happened.

01:04:21.000 And I told exactly what I've told you guys.

01:04:25.000 And I said, the mayor won't say it.

01:04:26.000 What can we do?

01:04:27.000 And he said, yeah, the mayor's refusing to say this stuff.

01:04:29.000 I'll hold a press conference Monday and get it out.

01:04:31.000 Never happened.

01:04:34.000 When I hear the story about you coming to the door and you knock between 45 seconds and a minute, I'm wondering if you have any thoughts in hindsight or if there's something else that could be done to avoid this kind of stuff.

01:04:44.000 Probably the last two years so I ran our major case unit before I went to I had just transitioned to the the parcel interdiction unit Because I think I was thinking man.

01:04:55.000 I probably got four years left before I'm gonna retire I wanted to kind of bring slow things down.

01:05:00.000 I'd already already made entry in over 2,000 search warrants and doors and And I thought to myself, I thought the luck's going to run out.

01:05:08.000 You know, it's just, it's a numbers thing.

01:05:10.000 It's an odds.

01:05:10.000 Eventually I'm going to be in a critical incident.

01:05:12.000 I don't want to be.

01:05:13.000 So let's go ahead and start, start tapering this career off, slowing down because I've been going a hundred miles an hour for probably 15 of my 20 years, uh, with search warrants and drugs and all that.

01:05:24.000 And, uh, so I wanted to, I wanted to transition and, The last two years I had constantly thought about two things that bothered me.

01:05:34.000 Number one, eventually something's going to happen, but the main thing was As I matured as a person and as a dad and all that, once we would go through these doors, you would have three, four, five, six year old kids just terrified.

01:05:50.000 You know, all of a sudden you've got eight, 10 cops coming in with guns, screaming, putting people on the ground.

01:05:56.000 And that started affecting me.

01:05:58.000 That started making me go, man, this just ain't worth it.

01:06:02.000 You know, we're traumatizing these kids.

01:06:04.000 I can understand why they grow up hating the police.

01:06:07.000 You know, you start thinking of all these things, and I'm going, we've got to do something different.

01:06:11.000 So we started pulling people off.

01:06:12.000 We'd wait till they leave their house.

01:06:14.000 They were at a gas station, barbershop, wherever.

01:06:16.000 And we'd start grabbing them up because it lowered our risk, and it lowered their risk, and it lowered the trauma on these kids.

01:06:23.000 So that was pretty big to me.

01:06:24.000 So we had done that probably in 80% of the cases the last two years I was up there.

01:06:29.000 This wasn't my call, we were helping out, so we did what they asked us to do.

01:06:34.000 If I could do it different, if none of the dynamics changed, because people go, why did you have to go there at 1230 at night if she wasn't a threat, if she wasn't the main target?

01:06:45.000 She was one of the targets, but she wasn't the main target.

01:06:48.000 And I try to explain to people because word gets out so quick when you do a warrant.

01:06:53.000 I mean, it's even before the internet, we used to call it, I'm probably gonna get in

01:06:56.000 trouble for this, but I'm gonna say it.

01:06:58.000 We used to call it the ghetto net because it was like, and it doesn't

01:07:01.000 matter if it's black or white.

01:07:02.000 It was just, if you hit a door, everybody's.

01:07:05.000 Everybody knew, man.

01:07:06.000 I mean, they just knew.

01:07:07.000 Calls went out.

01:07:09.000 And so, when you do these type things where evidence might be at different locations, you do them simultaneous so nothing is destroyed.

01:07:15.000 Because that's what you take into court.

01:07:18.000 Glover's car was registered to Breonna's house.

01:07:21.000 His bank account.

01:07:21.000 When he bonded out of jail was there his cell phone was registered there. Everything was in her name or at her

01:07:27.000 house That was Glovers

01:07:28.000 So they wanted that evidence to tie him in to that house because they had pictures of him coming there getting

01:07:33.000 packages leaving Brianna taking him down to the trap house dropping stuff

01:07:37.000 off So that was the brown brown. Oh, there was evidence that

01:07:40.000 she was involved in this stuff Yeah after the fact they pulled Glovers phone calls 1.00

01:07:45.000 And he's talking to his baby mama and he said I need somebody to go to Brianna's house

01:07:51.000 and see if the cops missed that money.

01:07:54.000 And she was like, Oh, you were letting her hold your money. 0.78

01:07:56.000 Why was she holding your money? 1.00

01:07:57.000 You know, she was mad.

01:07:59.000 And he was like, well, she holds a lot of people's money.

01:08:02.000 It's just what she does. 0.88

01:08:03.000 So it was, was she slinging the dope? 0.99

01:08:06.000 I don't think so.

01:08:06.000 I don't think physically she was taking selling dope, but she was part of the organization in a peripheral way, bonded them out of jail, letting them use her address for stuff, um, holding money.

01:08:18.000 So she was tied into it.

01:08:20.000 And people always go, I hate this phrase.

01:08:23.000 Oh, you think you're judge, jury and executioner.

01:08:24.000 And I'm going, no, I was just trying to save my life.

01:08:27.000 And this wasn't a payment for the crime.

01:08:30.000 You know, this wasn't, that's not the intent here.

01:08:33.000 So that, that aggravates me when people say that.

01:08:36.000 I worry that people don't understand there may not be solutions to these things.

01:08:41.000 So, you know, you look, you've got someone who's selling illegal drugs, very dangerous ones.

01:08:46.000 I mean, what was suspected of fentanyl?

01:08:49.000 We believe fentanyl, we know meth, but yeah, fentanyl, he had the pills.

01:08:55.000 So, you know, you can come out and make an argument about the legalization of drugs, but when you start getting into areas about fentanyl, you start getting harder questions.

01:09:03.000 There are some libertarians who are outright like, no, no, no, people can take whatever they want, whatever they want.

01:09:06.000 And I'm like, you know, I get that, I get that.

01:09:08.000 But the question is, even still, even then, there's still got to be some restrictions on how much or to children.

01:09:15.000 I mean, you've got to prevent these things.

01:09:16.000 So ultimately what ends up happening is we've got a big society.

01:09:20.000 You've got people on the left, people on the right, libertarians, authoritarians, and everyone's got a different view, which means ultimately there's a compromise.

01:09:25.000 The compromise we have right now, whether people like it or not, is that if somebody is illegally selling very serious drugs, we're gonna stop them.

01:09:31.000 I think most people, the overwhelming majority of people, are gonna be like, yeah, I don't want someone selling fentanyl in my area, because you don't know who he's selling to, and it's an extremely dangerous drug.

01:09:40.000 You go to local people and say someone's selling, you know, marijuana or something like that, and they're gonna roll their eyes and be like, is this a priority right now?

01:09:46.000 So the fentanyl matters.

01:09:48.000 And if that's the case, and there are parents who want their neighborhoods cleaned up, and they don't want these drugs around, well then someone's got to stop it.

01:09:55.000 But that means you're going to have to have police going and serving warrants, and what people need to understand, like you said, simultaneously all at the same time, and relatively late for strategic reasons, and also probably for safety reasons, for you've got less people who are out and about and things like that.

01:10:09.000 Then you have to contend with the fact that people are allowed to defend themselves in their homes.

01:10:13.000 No one's going to take that away.

01:10:14.000 At least some people are trying to.

01:10:16.000 And this means that you get a perfect storm.

01:10:19.000 A warner's being served.

01:10:20.000 Nobody answers.

01:10:21.000 The door gets kicked in.

01:10:24.000 And then the guy shoots, whether it was an accident or whether he didn't know you were cops or did.

01:10:29.000 Regardless, the conflict starts.

01:10:31.000 Someone loses their life.

01:10:32.000 Some people, you know, these activists especially, think there's something that can be done or has to be done.

01:10:38.000 And maybe, I'm not saying we don't investigate and try and figure out ways to solve these problems, but man, some people gotta realize that There may always be this cause and effect that exists within this system, at least as we've defined it right now.

01:10:52.000 If people have a right to keep and bear arms in their homes to defend themselves, and we expect police to shut down people selling drugs, very serious ones, you'll get a situation like this.

01:11:02.000 And people will die, and there can be, you know, I think one of the officers, he fired rounds that went into other apartments or something like that.

01:11:09.000 Yeah, so the walls were co-joined, the kitchen walls.

01:11:13.000 and that was one of the that was one of the mistakes in this thing not him shooting because he thought we were getting executed at that doorway you had metal and concrete and the rapid shots and he thought oh man he knew I'd gone down he thought dude they're getting killed at the door I got to do something yeah but the problem is we weren't provided a map of the layout of how that other apartment was butted up Yeah.

01:11:36.000 And from the outside looking at it, it doesn't look like it.

01:11:38.000 It looks like they're separate, you know, things.

01:11:40.000 Right.

01:11:41.000 So if you hadn't been in it or hadn't looked at the actual layout.

01:11:44.000 So there were some mistakes made.

01:11:46.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:11:47.000 No, for sure.

01:11:47.000 For sure.

01:11:48.000 What I mean to say is just in a bigger picture.

01:11:51.000 I'm reminded of this story out of Europe where I think it was in Denmark.

01:11:54.000 There was a mass shooter.

01:11:55.000 And maybe it wasn't Denmark.

01:11:56.000 It was a country up in Europe.

01:11:58.000 And after the shooting happened, they mourned and they did nothing. 0.80

01:12:02.000 And they said, well, sometimes people are crazy and they get guns.

01:12:05.000 You know, what are we supposed to do?

01:12:07.000 Right?

01:12:07.000 This was an aberration.

01:12:09.000 It wasn't a fault of the system.

01:12:11.000 It was a fault of sometimes people, you know, do bad things.

01:12:15.000 And that's the challenge I see with this.

01:12:16.000 I certainly think there's ways to reform and there needs to be, at least in our criminal justice system, very serious reforms.

01:12:25.000 But my point is, if people are unwilling to confront the system in any meaningful way, and I mean like the rioters are not confronting in any meaningful way, the system doesn't change.

01:12:34.000 In fact, the rioters are probably only making it worse, because now you're going to get more regular people saying, more weapons for the cops, just shut it all down.

01:12:41.000 They're going to say, get tougher, get more aggressive.

01:12:43.000 Then you're going to get activists who are like, my friend was beaten by the cops.

01:12:46.000 Well, it's because the community is demanding, you know, these, these, these things that shut down.

01:12:50.000 You get people calling the mayor's office.

01:12:51.000 The mayor calls the, you know, goes, gets the cops on the radio and says, I don't care what you do.

01:12:55.000 Just shut down the protest, shut down the riots.

01:12:57.000 The cops say, okay, get it done.

01:12:59.000 The people complain.

01:12:59.000 And it's an endless cycle.

01:13:01.000 The issue I take with a lot of this is, These people who live in these cities.

01:13:06.000 They're the ones who are voting in these Democratic politicians who don't care about them, demanding of them police action on crime.

01:13:14.000 Then, when action on crime results in some kind of accident or a brutal event, it's these same people who are now complaining about that event out marching in the streets.

01:13:27.000 It's one of the reasons I don't want to live in these cities anymore.

01:13:29.000 Because it seems like these people don't have a logical process in their mind as to why these things are happening.

01:13:34.000 They just say, I don't understand why there's got to be crime.

01:13:37.000 And I also don't understand why, you know, cops are so mean.

01:13:40.000 And I don't understand why people are getting beaten.

01:13:41.000 And it's like, because people are shooting each other and because you want the shooting to stop.

01:13:46.000 So the cops go out and the cops are scared of getting shot.

01:13:48.000 And then some cops get shot and then cops shoot back.

01:13:51.000 And then you complain that the cops shot back.

01:13:52.000 I'm like, I don't know what you want, man.

01:13:53.000 Well, that's like the majority of our loudest mouth protesters.

01:13:57.000 And I'm not talking about somebody really wanting change, walking with the sign, doing it the right way.

01:14:02.000 I'm talking about the guys that were jumping on cars.

01:14:04.000 taunting police constantly in people's face I mean if there was a cheerleading competition of little girls in downtown Louisville during this it was near the it was a little bit further in so I think they thought it was safe enough but it wasn't and these guys were getting these parents and these kids face and saying some or rape your kids I mean all kinds of crazy stuff And then they want to say the police are the problem.

01:14:32.000 And all these guys who are out here for reform and stuff that were doing this all have had huge criminal records.

01:14:39.000 There's like three of them that have been killed since the riot started that were the major drivers behind this stuff.

01:14:44.000 Two of them shot in the head and, no, all three of them were shot in the head.

01:14:47.000 One was in a carjacking, so that may have been accidental, but the other two were targeted hits.

01:14:52.000 And the funny thing is the rumor in the city was all the people who disagreed with the police were going, oh, the police are out here killing all the protesters.

01:14:58.000 And we're going, You kidding me?

01:14:59.000 Because they caught somebody on all of them, you know.

01:15:01.000 It was the lifestyle, I mean.

01:15:03.000 It wasn't the cops who did it.

01:15:03.000 Lifestyle, I mean.

01:15:04.000 In Ferguson, I believe it was, they found a vehicle with someone killed in the front seat.

01:15:09.000 I think that's what it was.

01:15:10.000 It's been a minute.

01:15:11.000 I don't know if you've heard that story or whatever.

01:15:13.000 It wasn't the cops who did it.

01:15:14.000 Although, the activists are pushing that.

01:15:17.000 There's a conspiracy theory out of Ferguson that the police are going around and executing the people who organized the protest.

01:15:23.000 That's what they're saying in Louisville?

01:15:24.000 That's crazy, man.

01:15:25.000 It's like a couple weeks, probably a month ago now, there was a police chase.

01:15:30.000 A guy had shot somebody, robbed him, shot him.

01:15:32.000 They're chasing him.

01:15:35.000 He wrecked out.

01:15:36.000 He eats his gun.

01:15:37.000 Boom. 1.00

01:15:37.000 Kills himself. 1.00

01:15:38.000 So, they've got their body cameras on and car cameras, but ever since our case, before Breonna Taylor, when our city investigated the thing, they would release body cam footage within 24 hours.

01:15:52.000 But in our case, they said since there was no body cam, they were like, well, we can't talk about the case.

01:15:56.000 And I said, well, what's the difference in releasing body cam that shows everything or disputing the lies?

01:16:02.000 Well, they didn't have an answer for it, naturally.

01:16:04.000 But because since then the state police took over investigating because they were like, the protesters, that was one of their demands.

01:16:10.000 We don't want LMPD investigating.

01:16:11.000 Fine.

01:16:12.000 Well, let's state police do it.

01:16:13.000 So now the state police investigate.

01:16:15.000 Their policy is we don't release body cam footage till we're ready.

01:16:18.000 Till we've investigated enough. 0.99

01:16:19.000 Screw you. 0.97

01:16:20.000 We're going to do whatever we want. 0.99

01:16:22.000 And now they're saying, and they were, they had three days of protests saying, Oh, it's a coverup.

01:16:28.000 The police went up and shot him in the head.

01:16:29.000 He didn't shoot himself.

01:16:30.000 Yep.

01:16:30.000 So it's just, it doesn't matter what you do.

01:16:32.000 It's going to be, like we said earlier, there's that fringe on both sides that are just crazy, on the right and the left, that no matter what you do, it's not going to be right.

01:16:41.000 I always try to clarify in that, that it's true, but it seems to be the exception for the right and the rule for the left.

01:16:50.000 The conservative media apparatus tends to get stories correct.

01:16:55.000 The liberal establishment media apparatus tends to get stories wrong.

01:16:59.000 And it's probably because these are big corporate outlets that are driven by profit, whereas conservative outlets tend to be driven by passion ideology or ideology.

01:17:08.000 I am not saying that one side is right or wrong, you know, because a lot of people hear that.

01:17:13.000 It's just fascinating.

01:17:14.000 And they're like, you're saying the right is good.

01:17:15.000 And I'm like, conservative news outlets are, you know, small budget passion projects where people are like, I believe in this.

01:17:24.000 I want to push this story out.

01:17:25.000 So they tend to be Trying to follow the facts.

01:17:29.000 But with a conservative perspective, with conservative commentary and opinion, the establishment's just like, put whatever gets us the clicks, man.

01:17:34.000 Yeah.

01:17:34.000 Well, truth be told, there's a lot of ideology behind it as well, with trying to get Democrats elected.

01:17:39.000 But let me talk to you about the issue I've had with the cops.

01:17:42.000 You know, my concerns and discontent is, you know, COVID.

01:17:46.000 After the George Floyd riots, you know, I was very much like, if there's one thing I think any person can agree on that police should be doing is stopping rioting.

01:17:56.000 Stopping direct crime against individuals, violent crime and things like that.

01:18:00.000 You want to argue about drugs being legal, all the libertarian stuff.

01:18:03.000 It's like, okay, okay, we'll have the debate about that.

01:18:05.000 But we all agree, like, if people are running around burning down buildings, we would appreciate a police force to be like, hey, stop doing that.

01:18:12.000 The problem is, and there's reasons behind this, but for one, we saw in New York cops were standing down.

01:18:18.000 We saw in many of these circumstances cops standing down.

01:18:21.000 We know why, as you were mentioning.

01:18:23.000 It's too dangerous and they have no support from the community.

01:18:25.000 So I'm not going to, you know, go and cheer on the people who live in New York City for voting for and supporting the problems they're causing themselves.

01:18:32.000 But when I saw the police, even local sheriffs, going to cafe owners and salon owners and arresting them or fining them or shutting down their businesses over COVID, I was like, nah, you lost me.

01:18:44.000 You know, I can come out all day and say that the regular working class cop You know, is not a racist.

01:18:51.000 Those are media lies and narratives.

01:18:52.000 These stories are few and far between.

01:18:54.000 They're rare circumstances.

01:18:56.000 But man, the stuff we saw around police shutting down people's livelihood, this was everywhere.

01:19:01.000 You had Attila's gym.

01:19:03.000 Cops showed up, shut them down, even arrested.

01:19:05.000 I think one guy got arrested.

01:19:06.000 The government issued all these fines and the police are the ones backing it up.

01:19:09.000 In North Jersey, you had a woman whose store was closed. 0.95

01:19:12.000 And she was live streaming her products.

01:19:14.000 Cops showed up and shut her down. 0.99

01:19:16.000 You had a sheriff's department in Minnesota chase a woman or apprehend a woman because she had opened her coffee house during lockdown.

01:19:27.000 And with a smile on their face, they grabbed these people.

01:19:31.000 And that blows my mind.

01:19:33.000 How is that?

01:19:33.000 And you know, explain to me that mindset that you could be a cop and be like, how dare this lady do someone's hair?

01:19:40.000 I'm going to arrest her. 0.60

01:19:41.000 That to me is insane. 0.95

01:19:42.000 It is insane.

01:19:43.000 I think.

01:19:46.000 Man, it's tough because I don't want to bash the cops, but you can look at my Twitter feed from months ago when this was happening, and I said the same thing.

01:19:54.000 I said, guys, you're being played.

01:19:58.000 They are using you as their henchman, and you're being played.

01:20:01.000 You've got to do the right thing.

01:20:02.000 Everybody stand down.

01:20:04.000 But I also think there's got to be some responsibility on the other side, too, for the people that want to make a point.

01:20:10.000 Like when you go into a restaurant that's private and they go, Hey, I've got to, I've got to abide by this or the police will come in and find me if I don't.

01:20:20.000 And they're like, screw that.

01:20:21.000 I want my food, but I can't because you're not, you're not abiding by this, even though it's an unlawful mandate.

01:20:27.000 I agree with that.

01:20:29.000 Well, neither should have fear of serving or getting food.

01:20:33.000 But because of our government, they're enforcing these mandates that are unconstitutional.

01:20:39.000 And then, both of them are, this owner's in fear of losing his livelihood.

01:20:44.000 This guy's trying to prove a point that I don't have to follow these illegal mandates.

01:20:48.000 And then the cop comes in.

01:20:50.000 You know, and he probably agrees with both of them, honestly. 1.00

01:20:53.000 And is like, man, these are stupid, but what am I supposed to do here? 0.99

01:20:56.000 If I don't do this, my body cam's on, now I'm going to lose my job and my livelihood. 1.00

01:21:01.000 And he should.

01:21:02.000 Yeah.

01:21:03.000 I mean, absolutely.

01:21:04.000 I mean, if you're going to take a stand, if you're going to sacrifice, you've got to do it.

01:21:08.000 But they can't, if they all stood up and said no, they couldn't fire them all.

01:21:12.000 Right.

01:21:13.000 I'm not saying the cops should be fired, technically.

01:21:16.000 I'm saying the cops should gladly recognize the system is broken, you've become the villain.

01:21:24.000 And people say to me, you don't understand, you need your job, you gotta pay your bills.

01:21:28.000 And my response is like, I totally get it.

01:21:31.000 You know, people don't seem to understand because they're like, oh, look how successful you are, Tim.

01:21:35.000 It's easy for you to say.

01:21:37.000 And I'm like, I've always said it.

01:21:39.000 Even when I was broke, it's what leads me to the point of success.

01:21:41.000 And I'm unwilling to compromise with this kind of amoral behavior or illegality.

01:21:49.000 At the very least, I could recognize the cop.

01:21:52.000 Starting you know these officers and many have planning their exodus from these departments for other areas look at

01:21:57.000 what Florida said Florida we had billboards out not out here. Where were they

01:22:01.000 I think there was one out here actually billboards in like the DC area saying

01:22:05.000 Become a police officer in Florida now hiring benefits if Florida where we have your back. Yeah, yeah

01:22:12.000 Well, and and they said we got no mandates. You don't got to do this stuff. Don't have to do it

01:22:15.000 I think people need to realize you're not trapped in this one job

01:22:19.000 but what I wish my point being I agree with the no mandates

01:22:25.000 I was a push the limit on not wearing a mask.

01:22:28.000 I'm not vaxxed.

01:22:29.000 I'm not anti-vaccine.

01:22:30.000 I'm not anti-vaccine.

01:22:32.000 They'll lie and say you are, you know.

01:22:33.000 Yeah, whatever.

01:22:35.000 Yeah, anything that you disagree with you get hammered.

01:22:38.000 So I'm not vaxxed.

01:22:40.000 I hardly ever wore a mask unless I'm flying just because I've got to get somewhere.

01:22:44.000 And maybe that's hypocritical of me too, but the point is, go make your statement.

01:22:48.000 Go in there, have the police called on you.

01:22:50.000 But when they come there, instead of giving the cop a hard time to go, you've made your point.

01:22:55.000 If you want to pick it outside, do it.

01:22:58.000 I agree with that, actually.

01:22:59.000 But they really don't want that hamburger.

01:23:00.000 They want to make a point.

01:23:01.000 And I get it.

01:23:02.000 But do it where you're not harming the other people that kind of agree with you.

01:23:06.000 You know, we have a we have a lesson in skateboarding.

01:23:08.000 When we're little, it's younger.

01:23:11.000 If when you're skateboarding in the streets, meaning you're going to corporate buildings or you're at loading docks behind, you know, warehouses, you can skate.

01:23:18.000 And as soon as you see a security guard, you leave.

01:23:21.000 Yeah.

01:23:21.000 When the security guard walks up and says, hey, you can't skate, you go.

01:23:24.000 Sorry about that.

01:23:24.000 And you leave.

01:23:25.000 And then when he leaves, you come back.

01:23:26.000 You come right back.

01:23:27.000 Well, I would, I would not advocate for immediately coming back.

01:23:27.000 Yeah.

01:23:31.000 If you're told you're trespassing, you're trespassing, you shouldn't trespass.

01:23:33.000 But the point is that if you leave right away, you don't blow up the spot as we would call it.

01:23:37.000 Meaning other people have heard about it.

01:23:40.000 They might end up showing up.

01:23:41.000 We've had kids, you know, I remember this man, they smashed a window because security guard told him to leave.

01:23:45.000 And I'm like, they just ruin everything for everybody.

01:23:47.000 So now you'll never be able to come back here.

01:23:49.000 Cause they'll set up something where you can't.

01:23:50.000 So, you know, I think about this and I'm like, imagine going into a restaurant and they say, you can't be in here, there's a mandate.

01:23:56.000 And they say, I'm not leaving because you're discriminating against me.

01:23:59.000 And they say, well, I'm gonna call the police.

01:24:00.000 Say, okay, call the police.

01:24:01.000 In every circumstance, the cops have showed up and said, you've been informed that you're trespassing, you're being warned to leave.

01:24:06.000 At that point, you can be like, okay, walk out the front door, wait for the cops to go, walk back in and say, I want a cheeseburger.

01:24:12.000 And that causes a bigger problem than having some cop arrest you and then inconvenience in yourself.

01:24:18.000 And if you look at the bigger picture, here's what this has done now.

01:24:21.000 This has taken, we've already had a divided country, right?

01:24:25.000 In 2020, we were pretty, you had this group and this group that believed two different things.

01:24:30.000 Cops bad, cops good.

01:24:32.000 Now what they've done is they've subdivided the good cop part because they're using them to enforce laws on people that support the cops but now the cops have to stand up to those people and now they're mad at the cops so now the left wins again because they've broken us even more and we're weaker.

01:24:47.000 In New York?

01:24:49.000 They had 27 police officers defending what was an illegal painting in the street.

01:24:54.000 Bill de Blasio seized taxpayer funds illegally to paint Black Lives Matter in front of Trump's building, and 27 cops with smiles on their faces guarded that illegal act.

01:25:06.000 I wouldn't have been able to do it.

01:25:07.000 Now look, I understand these are cops who live in New York City, so they're probably Democrats.

01:25:12.000 But surprising to me, it's like, how could you live in a city where the people who vote for the politicians, who appoint the commissioner or the chief of police, and then hire these other cops?

01:25:22.000 You're the villain in this whole story to everyone.

01:25:26.000 The cops defending the Black Lives Matter mural are villains to the left already, and for defending the illegal actions of the mayor, they're villains to the right.

01:25:35.000 It takes a special kind of resolve to decide that you want to be hated by everybody.

01:25:39.000 But truth be told, it's not always the wrong choice.

01:25:41.000 Sometimes being hated by everybody is the right thing to do.

01:25:45.000 In this instance, I don't think so.

01:25:47.000 The challenge, I guess, is it's hard to just quit your job when you've got a mortgage, when you've got kids, and that's the noose, man.

01:25:58.000 Well, they get you.

01:25:59.000 It's no different than what I was talking about a few minutes ago with all the government subsidies.

01:26:04.000 They get you trapped and you can't do anything, you know, unless you take a leap of faith or you get a good opportunity.

01:26:12.000 I mean, they get you trapped there, too.

01:26:13.000 It's sad and it's scary because... It's slavery.

01:26:17.000 Democrats are pushing policies that put more people in positions where they can't leave their jobs and are desperate.

01:26:25.000 And that's what it is.

01:26:26.000 That's the boot on your neck.

01:26:27.000 Yeah.

01:26:27.000 So when you got, what was it, Joe Biden was talking about this policy for urbanizing the suburbs.

01:26:31.000 I don't know if you saw this one.

01:26:33.000 The idea was to build more trains going into the suburbs, to ban single housing development, things like that.

01:26:38.000 Oh, yes.

01:26:39.000 That would create more desperation and destitution, which they then can manipulate by saying, you can't quit your job.

01:26:48.000 You could only afford to live in this extremely high cost of living area with loans.

01:26:52.000 And then if you lose your job, you can't pay off your loans.

01:26:54.000 And then we're going to come for your kids.

01:26:55.000 And people say, okay, okay, you got me.

01:26:58.000 I'll enforce whatever you say.

01:26:59.000 And there it is.

01:27:01.000 If everyone just said no, these problems will be solved instantly.

01:27:04.000 What if I just took my mortgage out as a student loan?

01:27:06.000 Will the government forgive it?

01:27:08.000 Well, they're not doing that.

01:27:10.000 All the, all the progressives were like, yeah, Biden forgive student loans.

01:27:10.000 That's what's funny.

01:27:13.000 And he was like, nah.

01:27:14.000 Yeah.

01:27:15.000 I need to take those billions and send them into the Middle East. 1.00

01:27:17.000 Well, to be fair, you can file bankruptcy and get a lot of your debt, you know, wiped, but not for student loans.

01:27:24.000 Yeah.

01:27:25.000 So if you get student loans, I'm not a fan of the student loan system, I think.

01:27:28.000 I worked three jobs in college, so I don't feel sorry for them.

01:27:31.000 But I do think we can do something about the interest rates.

01:27:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, I would agree on the interest.

01:27:35.000 I think that's where everybody agrees.

01:27:38.000 How come colleges can increase their percentage of tuition every year so much?

01:27:43.000 I mean, it just keeps climbing.

01:27:45.000 Because they want you to be an indentured servant.

01:27:47.000 Because when you got student loans, you can't quit your job.

01:27:50.000 You can't file bankruptcy on student loans.

01:27:52.000 They got you locked up and you don't even realize they got you locked up.

01:27:54.000 But a lot of people are starting to realize it.

01:27:56.000 Now, here's what else happens.

01:27:58.000 They use that to once again manipulate those they've already locked into indentured servitude with ridiculous, we'll forgive your student loans, vote for us. 0.65

01:28:07.000 And then what happens?

01:28:08.000 Biden's like, no, just kidding.

01:28:10.000 Yeah, it would be nice if Donald Trump said we're going to deal, he did suspend loans, I believe, during COVID.

01:28:17.000 I think Donald Trump, if he gets elected, I think there should be some kind of executive action because these are federal loans.

01:28:22.000 I think they have the authority to do this, I'm not sure.

01:28:24.000 Just say, interest rates, shut down.

01:28:26.000 Right, again.

01:28:26.000 Get back what you borrowed.

01:28:27.000 Yeah, it's kind of like the thing earlier with the, you know, getting people back on their feet.

01:28:31.000 They don't have to get interest on them.

01:28:31.000 Right.

01:28:33.000 Just get your money back.

01:28:35.000 You borrowed it, you used the money, you gotta pay it back.

01:28:38.000 Because a lot of those loans weren't just for school.

01:28:40.000 They got that cost of living stuff too, where they could buy food, pay for their apartments, whatever else.

01:28:45.000 You gotta pay it all back.

01:28:46.000 If they gave you 50 grand, I think you gotta pay it back, and we should discuss how that inflation works into that.

01:28:52.000 However, you know, I know people who have taken out like $20,000 in loans and now they own $40,000 and they've already paid back $40,000.

01:28:58.000 That's insane.

01:29:00.000 Yeah, these stories are insane.

01:29:01.000 Right.

01:29:02.000 So I think the populist right understands all of this.

01:29:06.000 I think conservative Inc.

01:29:07.000 often doesn't.

01:29:08.000 You know, the more like establishment, not so much establishment, but a lot of these conservatives say like, Yeah, those are your responsibility.

01:29:16.000 You took out the loans, you signed the contract, and I'm like, that's true.

01:29:20.000 I agree with that.

01:29:21.000 I don't agree with making someone pay back $40,000 on a $17,000 loan.

01:29:26.000 That's insane.

01:29:26.000 Yeah, now we're getting to the point where the point of school loans and the reason you can't be declaring bankruptcy, in my opinion, or what I thought, was that we're going to help kickstart your life to get you a good skill set, good career.

01:29:37.000 crippling them so they can't have families and buy houses is just bad for everybody. 1.00

01:29:41.000 Instead the government turn into the mafia.

01:29:43.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 They'll never get me paid off.

01:29:45.000 Yeah, well and of course these loans are subsidized by the government.

01:29:48.000 The entire idea is they're going to guarantee the student loans and that's only resulted

01:29:51.000 in colleges raising tuition costs and now you have instances where someone will borrow

01:29:54.000 twenty thousand, they'll end up paying back forty.

01:29:57.000 You just have to ask the question, is it really a productive use of economic resources to have entire groups of people whose career is to live off of the interest of loans that were lent out prior that have already been more than paid back?

01:30:14.000 Is that really the best use of human willpower and thought and labor for someone to just be in a position where they're living off of interest?

01:30:21.000 Think about it.

01:30:22.000 I don't think so.

01:30:23.000 We're wondering why it is that a police officer is going to arrest someone who owns a salon, and that's why.

01:30:29.000 And if you are an authoritarian in government, the last thing you want is for police officers, especially, to say, men of good conscience, do not follow unjust orders.

01:30:41.000 But when they say, we'll take your kids, we'll take your house, and you'll be on the street, then you'll see how quickly people are willing to bend over backwards.

01:30:49.000 Yeah, well, and also, I mean, it makes sense, again, given the way inflation works, to charge some level of interest on a loan, but, you know, once you're paying back significantly, significantly more than you took out, I think it's pretty criminal.

01:31:03.000 And also, you know, when you look at real estate, yeah, I mean, a lot of people are in debt because they're paying off a mortgage, but they're building equity.

01:31:10.000 You look at these people who have way overpaid for these degrees that are really useless, And for these banks to be getting rich off of this government policy is just a redistribution of wealth from taxpayers and from these young people who took loans out to the big banks.

01:31:25.000 I just don't see how conservatives could consider that to be acceptable.

01:31:29.000 It's big government intervening on behalf of business and on behalf of the banks to protect their profits or give them more.

01:31:35.000 What's the problem?

01:31:36.000 Big government.

01:31:37.000 Their hand's in way too much.

01:31:38.000 I think we need a very small federal government.

01:31:41.000 And it's, they're trying to control everything.

01:31:44.000 But I do think there's something, the tides have turned.

01:31:46.000 I do think that freedom, honesty, and integrity, I think that's winning.

01:31:54.000 A lot of these moral values, they're probably viewed as conservative because, I don't know if you've ever looked at Jonathan Haidt's moral foundations research?

01:32:01.000 No.

01:32:02.000 There's six moral foundations.

01:32:04.000 The left has two, care and fairness.

01:32:08.000 So they don't have authority, they don't have loyalty, they don't have purity, and they don't have liberty.

01:32:13.000 Those are the other, I believe those are the other ones, I could be making a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's it.

01:32:17.000 Conservatives have all of them, all six, in fairly equal amounts.

01:32:21.000 My favorite point here is that libertarians have one.

01:32:23.000 Just liberty.

01:32:24.000 Liberty.

01:32:25.000 Like, seriously, libertarians, like, they initially had five moral foundations, then realized something was missing because some people had nothing.

01:32:33.000 And they're like, what is this?

01:32:34.000 And it was like, oh, because they only care about people being allowed to do their own thing

01:32:38.000 and be left alone.

01:32:40.000 Libertarians, you know, there was a, what was it, someone got booed for saying

01:32:46.000 that you shouldn't be allowed to sell drugs to kids.

01:32:47.000 Austin Peterson.

01:32:48.000 That they booed him.

01:32:49.000 That was Austin Peterson.

01:32:50.000 Okay, dude.

01:32:51.000 And gotta be fair, I think they were rejecting his framing, but still a very funny moment.

01:32:55.000 No, but Gary Johnson tweeted, like the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire said like,

01:32:58.000 should bring back child labor. 1.00

01:33:00.000 Maybe it was Gary Johnson who was booed.

01:33:01.000 I don't, maybe it wasn't Austin Peterson.

01:33:03.000 The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire said, you know, legalize child labor.

01:33:03.000 I need to double check.

01:33:07.000 And Gary Johnson was like, no, no.

01:33:09.000 Like, this is not what we need.

01:33:11.000 And that's like, people are- You see the slippery slope,

01:33:14.000 because now with the, you know, trying to teach these kindergartners about-

01:33:18.000 Transsexuals and sex, period. 0.98

01:33:22.000 Where does it stop? 0.95

01:33:23.000 Where do you draw the line and go, okay, this is it, no more?

01:33:27.000 Well, that's a whole other conversation, right?

01:33:29.000 But the point I'm bringing up with the Moral Foundations is that a lot of the things that we want to be winning are more typical of conservatives like loyalty and purity is another moral foundation purity meaning like you don't want children being abused or exposed but this is not a moral foundation that exists among the left for the most part so it's typically conservative but my point was I think these moral foundations are starting to win and I think there's a lot to do with the internet with podcasts the ability of people to form communities online

01:34:08.000 But what needs to happen more of, which is happening, is people standing up, speaking up, and just standing firm and saying, you know, I'm not going to do something that is a violation of these foundations.

01:34:18.000 Because what I will tell you is, if the moral foundations, the six that are winning, indicate that conservatives tend to be winning, and conservative isn't necessarily the right answer because libertarian, post-liberal, conservative, but it just means that ideas like loyalty are winning.

01:34:35.000 With that not being on the left, you can understand why the left is angry about it, and why the left would force or convince a conservative or libertarian to abandon a moral foundation for personal gain.

01:34:47.000 So if you're a conservative and you have all of the moral foundations, and loyalty is something that's important to you, and then you see something that is an egregious violation of, say, loyalty to the country, Um, that doesn't mean blind loyalty.

01:35:00.000 It means, like, we're gonna stand by and support, you know, our troops, we're gonna stand by and support our law enforcement who are genuinely trying.

01:35:07.000 Again, not blindly.

01:35:09.000 Legitimately.

01:35:10.000 The left would say, no, don't do that.

01:35:12.000 Don't be loyal to your community.

01:35:14.000 When we say, with the boot on your neck, you're not allowed to sell coffee, we want you to abandon your moral foundations and do what we want, because we have none.

01:35:24.000 And because of the way they've put the boot down, you've got cops who are like, yes, sir, whatever you say.

01:35:30.000 And that's horrifying.

01:35:31.000 But if people just assert themselves, well, so I'll, without repeating myself, the point is, I think the moral foundations typically associated with the right are winning.

01:35:39.000 And that means, given a long enough period of time, things are going to genuinely improve.

01:35:45.000 Unless nukes, I guess.

01:35:46.000 But, you know, that's a whole other conversation.

01:35:48.000 Or, you know, I mean, you got to go back to the school thing.

01:35:50.000 If the indoctrination doesn't change in the schools, and not just sexual stuff, but I'm talking about just overall the thinking.

01:35:57.000 There's no critical thinking being taught.

01:36:00.000 Everything's just regurgitation.

01:36:01.000 Here's what to believe.

01:36:02.000 You're going to do it.

01:36:03.000 Okay.

01:36:03.000 That's what we believe.

01:36:04.000 We want critical thinking.

01:36:05.000 They want critical feelings.

01:36:07.000 They want you to do.

01:36:08.000 How do you feel about something?

01:36:08.000 How do you feel?

01:36:09.000 And it's like it's it's it's it's like an archaic way of living.

01:36:14.000 You know, we we we logic, reason, understanding, compassion.

01:36:18.000 These things came together to help make humanity strive and strength and stronger and successful.

01:36:23.000 And now they're like, no, no, no, no.

01:36:24.000 Do away with the things that helped us, you know, and just go back to just how things feel.

01:36:29.000 That's what I want to interview with Strahan.

01:36:31.000 We got into a big argument over it because he was like, Yeah, well, I just feel this.

01:36:36.000 Black people just feel this. 0.76

01:36:37.000 I'm like, well, Michael, you know, your feelings are important, but just because you feel it doesn't mean it's true.

01:36:42.000 Right.

01:36:43.000 You know, I feel a lot of things that aren't true.

01:36:46.000 Yeah.

01:36:47.000 My kids, they feel like I'm being mean to them when I make them go to bed or get off the computer.

01:36:51.000 It doesn't mean it's true.

01:36:52.000 But you're doing it because you love them.

01:36:54.000 Or I wanted my dog out of the yard so it doesn't get hit by a car.

01:36:54.000 Yeah.

01:36:57.000 He thinks I'm being mean to it.

01:36:58.000 You know, our cat, Bocas.

01:36:58.000 Yeah.

01:37:01.000 He yells at me because we won't let him outside, but it's 20 degrees out.

01:37:04.000 Normally, we let him go out and do whatever he wants, and he's complaining, and I'm like, bro, you're a cat.

01:37:04.000 He can't go outside.

01:37:09.000 I'm protecting you.

01:37:10.000 Yes, but they don't get it.

01:37:11.000 All right, let's go to Super Chats.

01:37:13.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.

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01:37:25.000 And get in your questions now for Sergeant John Mattingly.

01:37:30.000 Do I still call you Sergeant?

01:37:31.000 Just John.

01:37:32.000 For John.

01:37:34.000 I'm certain that we didn't get to a lot of your thoughts and questions about what happened with Breonna Taylor.

01:37:39.000 So seriously, we're gonna go through some of the super- That's why they gotta buy the book.

01:37:42.000 Buy the book!

01:37:43.000 There's some awesome stuff in there that nobody knows about.

01:37:46.000 But people, it's an opportunity to ask questions about what you think, anything you have any questions about.

01:37:53.000 Questions about what happened that night.

01:37:55.000 We can get these answered.

01:37:55.000 So let's read some superchats.

01:37:58.000 All right, let's see.

01:37:59.000 I can't read the name of the first superchat because that's how YouTube is.

01:38:02.000 They say, I gotta push back when you say rich people can't give away money.

01:38:06.000 I believe this is a translation problem.

01:38:08.000 It's okay, but I believe you said art auction wrong.

01:38:12.000 Never forget walled banana.

01:38:14.000 That's true.

01:38:15.000 There are ways to sort of give away money, but what I meant was literally give away money.

01:38:22.000 Obviously, you can try and bypass and seek out loopholes.

01:38:25.000 What I mean is you would think that a human being could walk up to another person and be like, I just wanted to give you money, you know, and make your life better.

01:38:32.000 You can't do that.

01:38:34.000 Up to $15,000 you can for the average American.

01:38:37.000 That's substantial enough to where you can give money away.

01:38:39.000 But what I mean is if you're rich and you're like, I would like to buy someone a car.

01:38:44.000 Can't do it.

01:38:45.000 Oprah gave a lot of people cars, remember?

01:38:46.000 And they had to pay taxes on them.

01:38:47.000 Most of them had to sell them.

01:38:48.000 Yeah, and they sold them to pay the taxes.

01:38:51.000 Right, right, right.

01:38:51.000 So you can't just do it.

01:38:54.000 I think, you know, we were talking to Jeremy Boring of Daily Wire, co-CEO, and we were talking about how You know, when you first come into money, you all of a sudden see this maze of what the government has set up as to how you can operate, what you can or can't do.

01:39:08.000 When you start a company, people really don't get it.

01:39:11.000 They're like, why don't you hire me to do this?

01:39:13.000 And I'm like, that would be illegal.

01:39:14.000 And they're like, you can't hire me to be a consultant.

01:39:16.000 I'm like, no!

01:39:18.000 Imagine telling the IRS, yeah, yeah, we hired a guy who doesn't do anything, we just pay him a lot of money, they're gonna be like, great, you're trying to bypass laws and taxes, so we're gonna come after you and fine you.

01:39:26.000 People don't get it.

01:39:27.000 Like, every employee has to have a quantifiable job with a title, with a market rate salary slightly above or below, otherwise you get investigated or fined, and all of that stuff has to be followed to the T. I wish it was as simple as to just be like, you can do whatever you want, but mm-mm, we got enough regulations, man.

01:39:44.000 Yeah, we do.

01:39:45.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:39:46.000 A book of clouds says, well, chicken city is here.

01:39:49.000 What does that mean?

01:39:50.000 We got chicken city.

01:39:51.000 I don't know.

01:39:52.000 Go to youtube.com slash chicken city and subscribe if you haven't already.

01:39:54.000 Cause it's a soothing nature sounds of roosters screaming and birds and woodpeckers and all that stuff.

01:40:01.000 Cats love it.

01:40:03.000 All right.

01:40:05.000 And there's a huge rooster out there.

01:40:07.000 He's a big boy.

01:40:07.000 He's a big boy who runs with some bad dudes.

01:40:10.000 King of the hill.

01:40:12.000 That's right.

01:40:12.000 His son's out there.

01:40:13.000 And it's really funny because with chickens, you know, the rooster bangs all the chickens.

01:40:18.000 Then they have eggs.

01:40:19.000 And then when the eggs hatch, boys come out and the rooster's all of a sudden like, ah.

01:40:24.000 What did I do?

01:40:25.000 I'm replacing myself.

01:40:26.000 Exactly.

01:40:26.000 And he gets mad.

01:40:28.000 And he's like, now, you know, it only takes six months for his son to be challenging him for, you know, the ladies. 0.59

01:40:34.000 And it's like, well, you're the one who's making them.

01:40:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:37.000 They do, uh, they, they do castrate, uh, roosters.

01:40:40.000 It's, it's called something else.

01:40:41.000 Really?

01:40:42.000 Yeah.

01:40:42.000 They cut through the back and like disable.

01:40:44.000 And then they, they like their chicken eunuchs, I guess. 1.00

01:40:47.000 I'm glad I'm not a rooster.

01:40:48.000 Yeah.

01:40:49.000 That's if you have boys and you want to grow and eat them.

01:40:52.000 So they castrate them.

01:40:53.000 Otherwise roosters apparently are hard to eat.

01:40:55.000 You can eat them.

01:40:56.000 You can basically eat a lot of things.

01:40:57.000 Alright, let's see what we got.

01:41:03.000 Doglog says, will you be making a YouTube channel for your on-the-ground reporting?

01:41:07.000 How about live reporting now that Starlink is coming?

01:41:10.000 A TimCast news van.

01:41:12.000 We've certainly got some ideas, but I don't think we need a YouTube channel to be honest.

01:41:15.000 We could probably just put it on the website.

01:41:17.000 I don't know if... I think YouTube has... I think YouTube destroyed itself a long time ago.

01:41:23.000 They gave everything to CNN.

01:41:26.000 They gave everything to all these big networks.

01:41:31.000 But now these big networks are pulling off and starting their own streaming platforms.

01:41:34.000 Fox Nation, CNN Plus.

01:41:36.000 So YouTube has shown disloyalty to those who are using their platform.

01:41:41.000 If I'm going to launch something new, it ain't going to be on YouTube.

01:41:43.000 It's going to be on Rumble or it's going to be on the website.

01:41:47.000 And I'm talking about, like, substantive stuff.

01:41:49.000 Obviously, we'll still put our stuff on YouTube, like Inverted World will go up there, Pop Culture Crisis.

01:41:53.000 Yeah, but do you think Rumble will ever get up to be able to pay you like YouTube does?

01:42:00.000 Well, that's the problem with a lot of people.

01:42:01.000 It's kind of like the thing we were talking about earlier with the cops.

01:42:04.000 You know, people think, well, YouTube's censoring these people and I'm ticked off at YouTube, but I can't leave because that's my financial source.

01:42:11.000 So YouTube pays well, but I will say the real benefit from YouTube is marketing.

01:42:17.000 And that's it.

01:42:18.000 But they're not doing that anymore.

01:42:21.000 So obviously we make money on YouTube.

01:42:24.000 Most of our business is supported through memberships.

01:42:28.000 So, if we got banned from YouTube tonight, we would be completely fine, able to keep operating.

01:42:35.000 It would be pretty bad.

01:42:36.000 You know, Crowder got booted out of the partner program, but he was like, we're good, we're gonna keep doing our thing like normal, and then eventually he got let back in.

01:42:44.000 But YouTube has really hurt itself.

01:42:49.000 Now that all of these companies are launching their own platforms, they're taking their content off of YouTube and they're putting it on their own shows, YouTube's gonna be left holding an empty bag.

01:42:57.000 And YouTube will have no choice but to try and do YouTube Originals, which failed because it just doesn't work.

01:43:03.000 YouTube is not a streaming service the way they want it to be.

01:43:06.000 So the more they spit in our faces, the... 1.00

01:43:11.000 I gotta be honest, you've got a bunch of political commentators, you've got a bunch of big YouTubers, and YouTube should be doing everything to kiss their asses. 0.95

01:43:19.000 Because CNN Plus launched today, and that means their authoritative news source, I guarantee you the president of CNN or whatever is probably like, how do we get our views off of YouTube and onto our platform? 0.77

01:43:31.000 We have similar discussions.

01:43:33.000 How do we get people to watch more on TimCast.com and head over to TimCast.com?

01:43:36.000 Well, this show is live on YouTube.

01:43:39.000 Then it gets uploaded and we use YouTube's infrastructure because it actually does save us a lot of money.

01:43:43.000 For CNN, who's already backed and worth, you know, hundreds of millions or whatever dollars and has all this access, they don't need YouTube's infrastructure and they're going to pull out and then YouTube's going to be sitting there saying, who's our news source?

01:43:54.000 People are going to go there and search CNN.

01:43:56.000 It ain't going to come up.

01:43:57.000 Or something, Will, but it'll be, hey, go to CNN.com for more information. 0.66

01:44:01.000 And then they have these shows, which are long form, and they're treating us like trash.

01:44:06.000 So we'll see how things go.

01:44:09.000 Ben Dover says, Will of the people!

01:44:12.000 I'm an expert in empathy.

01:44:13.000 I'm Irish.

01:44:13.000 Yes!

01:44:15.000 It's true.

01:44:15.000 There you go.

01:44:17.000 That's right.

01:44:18.000 If you haven't already, search Will of the People, Timcast, and listen to the music video.

01:44:22.000 You know, we put this out in November 2nd of 2020.

01:44:25.000 It's becoming particularly relevant now because of the whole Muse thing.

01:44:29.000 And we do have a couple songs that are entering the animation phase.

01:44:32.000 They've already been storyboarded.

01:44:33.000 And the next songs in our series that follow this universe about a country in tumult and the themes and ideas around civil war, revolution, and international conflict and crisis.

01:44:44.000 So, uh, those will come out soon, but you can check that out.

01:44:47.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:44:48.000 Joe Burns says, Hey Tim and friends, look up the episode of Doctor Who known as The Long Game.

01:44:53.000 It features chilling story on info manipulation and fake news.

01:44:56.000 Ooh, that sounds fun.

01:44:58.000 I will check that out.

01:45:00.000 Vasht says, We all survived World War Z. Yeah, the Z symbol for the Russians. 0.87

01:45:05.000 Maybe this will, uh, finally be over.

01:45:08.000 Joseph says, you wrote Will of the People, Tim.

01:45:11.000 You must understand to some degree, no one has the answer key to this existence.

01:45:16.000 We move the world through our choices.

01:45:18.000 I believe in what you're doing.

01:45:19.000 A heart, appreciate it.

01:45:21.000 Yeah, I think one of the ideas of Will of the People, for those that have seen it and the themes around it, isn't that everyone thinks they're right.

01:45:28.000 It's kind of like what I was saying, that sometimes there are no solutions.

01:45:31.000 That maybe it is just the nature of humanity to go through cycles.

01:45:36.000 People want to believe in this utopian vision where we finally reach the top of the mountain, sit down and say, we've done it, everything's perfect, and I just don't think that exists.

01:45:42.000 It's called heaven.

01:45:43.000 Yeah.

01:45:44.000 Right.

01:45:45.000 For the time being, on this planet, there's cycles, there's changes, there's ebbs, there's flows, there's yin, there's yang, whatever you want to call it.

01:45:51.000 There's equal and opposite reactions, which means you're never going to be able to sit down and just be like, my job is done.

01:45:57.000 Look at fashion.

01:45:59.000 It just keeps coming back cyclical.

01:46:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:46:02.000 And what's fascinating now, too, is when people talk about communism, they're like, oh, these communists in the government.

01:46:07.000 And I'm like, there's something else.

01:46:09.000 Communists were a hundred years ago.

01:46:11.000 They had a specific ideology relevant to their time.

01:46:14.000 We're looking at something else.

01:46:15.000 Call it techno-communism.

01:46:16.000 I don't know.

01:46:17.000 Techno-corporal, corporate communism.

01:46:20.000 I don't know.

01:46:21.000 It needs a new word.

01:46:22.000 You know, we can't just look back and be like, hey, they're similar, so we're going to use the same name.

01:46:26.000 You know?

01:46:27.000 Time's changed, man.

01:46:28.000 Some new authoritarian ideology is emerging on the turn of the century, and it's going to clash with some other authoritarian ideology.

01:46:34.000 So there you go.

01:46:37.000 All right.

01:46:38.000 DroidControlShip says, Hey, Tim, I've been watching your coverage for a short while.

01:46:42.000 Can you spell that quote you keep saying?

01:46:44.000 Biden said, Shana bada shaba pressure.

01:46:49.000 It's tru-na-na-na, tru-na-na-na shaba da pressure.

01:46:52.000 Tru-na-na shaba da pressure.

01:46:54.000 True-na-na-na-shabba-da-pressure.

01:46:55.000 Common spelling.

01:46:57.000 Yeah.

01:46:57.000 True-in-na-na-na.

01:46:59.000 I think it's in-na-na-na.

01:47:01.000 Because I was saying true-na-na. 1.00

01:47:02.000 Before I was saying true-in-na-na.

01:47:04.000 I think there's an extra in in there.

01:47:05.000 True-in-in-na-na.

01:47:06.000 In-na-na-na. 0.97

01:47:07.000 True-na-na-shabba-da-pressure.

01:47:09.000 And bat-a-calf care.

01:47:10.000 Watch him add that to the dictionary.

01:47:12.000 Like, Biden didn't gaffe.

01:47:13.000 Those are real words.

01:47:14.000 Hey, hey, hey! 0.55

01:47:15.000 True!

01:47:16.000 Truman Amish Abitur pressure is an actual word.

01:47:18.000 Yeah.

01:47:19.000 Joe Biden's just much smarter than his vocabulary.

01:47:21.000 It's a scranton word.

01:47:22.000 It's a scranton word, yeah.

01:47:24.000 Dude, imagine playing Scrabble with Joe Biden.

01:47:26.000 That's gotta be a cartoon.

01:47:29.000 Mark says, Tim, you don't believe Vlad won't level a city intentionally?

01:47:34.000 Please don't insult the millions of Assyrians like that.

01:47:37.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:47:38.000 You said I don't believe Vlad won't?

01:47:41.000 I do believe Vladimir Putin would.

01:47:43.000 I think he's misunderstanding what you were saying when we were talking about going after the citizens earlier.

01:47:48.000 No, he won't just go after citizens, but if it's in that act of war... That's what I was trying to clarify, right.

01:47:54.000 Like, I don't think Putin is a comic book villain who's sitting there and he goes, you know what, let's waste munitions blowing up regular people for no reason.

01:48:00.000 No, I think he's like, blow up that shopping mall because they're staging military weapons there.

01:48:05.000 But sir, that'll kill civilians. 0.98

01:48:06.000 Yeah, well, this is an in-military operation and this is what war is.

01:48:09.000 Yep, collateral damage.

01:48:10.000 Right, so I'll clarify, like, yes, civilians are being killed in the collateral damage. 0.89

01:48:15.000 I don't think he's towing his mustache saying, we must kill as many civilians as possible! 0.98

01:48:19.000 I don't think he puts a lot of thought into it.

01:48:21.000 I mean, truth be told, I do think Putin's probably trying to avoid, because anyone who's engaging in information warfare and manipulation knows minimizing civilian casualties is important.

01:48:33.000 But this idea that everyone's a comic book villain, look, even the most, typically, the most self-interested, egotistical person isn't going to be like, I'm going to kill a bunch of people. 0.98

01:48:43.000 You do have crazy people. 0.98

01:48:45.000 Crazy people can gain control of governments. 1.00

01:48:47.000 And maybe Putin's one of them. 0.55

01:48:48.000 But, you know, I think the simple solution is no one is just genuinely trying to kill civilians.

01:48:56.000 So, can you read Random Eskimo?

01:48:58.000 It's pretty funny.

01:48:59.000 Yeah, Random Eskimo says, Shamus, take it from a Utah Mormon, any and all reasons to laugh at Mitt Romney is not only valid, but necessary. 0.54

01:49:06.000 And I just want to say, I completely agree.

01:49:08.000 I completely agree.

01:49:10.000 I thought it was a good reason to laugh at him back then.

01:49:11.000 I just think it's still a good reason to laugh at our media now, to say that Russia's our number one existential threat.

01:49:17.000 Flufferboy2004 says, Will Smith gets mad when other men make jokes about his wife but not when they sleep with her.

01:49:24.000 That's correct.

01:49:25.000 That whole thing was staged.

01:49:26.000 I think it was.

01:49:27.000 So someone actually did this really great analysis where they got high-resolution video and slowed it down and it's really interesting because Chris Rock doesn't defend himself.

01:49:39.000 Leans into it.

01:49:40.000 But no, no, he leans with the, he swings with the hand, like fight choreography.

01:49:47.000 So maybe, look, I've walked up to a bunch of people and then I've been like, what would you do if someone was about to hit you and I'll raise my hand and what does everyone do?

01:49:56.000 They go like this.

01:49:57.000 Your hands instinctively go up.

01:49:59.000 Chris Rock had his hands behind his back the whole time and he was leaning forward.

01:50:04.000 Will Smith did a, look at his hand when he's cranking.

01:50:07.000 It's a very weak slap.

01:50:08.000 Yeah, he had that Ali training.

01:50:09.000 He knows how to hit.

01:50:10.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:50:12.000 Will Smith has been trained.

01:50:13.000 You ever see him be on a set with guns and stuff?

01:50:15.000 The dude has, so this weak slap where Chris Rock goes with the hit.

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:21.000 And he hit down here.

01:50:22.000 Yeah.

01:50:22.000 If you're gonna smack somebody, you try to hit that ear.

01:50:24.000 Because that just, that'll put your lights out. 0.54

01:50:24.000 Right. 0.54

01:50:26.000 Yeah, I think it was fake.

01:50:27.000 Plus, Will Smith laughing at the joke.

01:50:29.000 He's grinning.

01:50:30.000 Plus, he's grinning as he walked away.

01:50:31.000 He's trying not to smile.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, I think it was staged.

01:50:36.000 Because now what's happening is Chris Rock's ticket sales have gone up tenfold.

01:50:39.000 Yeah, so more in two days than he had in a month.

01:50:42.000 Plus, the price, like she said, went way up.

01:50:44.000 Yep, yep.

01:50:45.000 And people are like, why would they stage this?

01:50:47.000 Because the Oscars were sinking.

01:50:50.000 Now everybody's talked about that for two days.

01:50:52.000 I know.

01:50:52.000 Here we are, people talking about it.

01:50:55.000 Curtis Fletcher says, anyone else hear that India and China are dropping the petrodollar?

01:51:00.000 I don't know about that just yet.

01:51:01.000 There's probably conversations, but I would tell you if that was the news, we'd lead with it and we would all be like, you'd see a wall of emergency food behind me the moment these countries drop the petrodollar, which may be coming.

01:51:12.000 No joke.

01:51:12.000 Cause that's when it's like $10 for a gallon of milk, 20 bucks a gallon, all that crazy stuff.

01:51:17.000 No matter how much money you got, it's not worth much.

01:51:19.000 I think people don't realize that if these countries drop the petrodollar, you want to talk about expensive gas.

01:51:24.000 Oh boy.

01:51:25.000 Whoa, man.

01:51:25.000 It's going to be really bad.

01:51:27.000 Yeah, I think this country would be ripped, ripped apart.

01:51:29.000 You know, if Joe, if, if, if the petrodollar is dropped, whoever is president will be blamed and it's going to get brutal.

01:51:38.000 You're going to see, you're going to see 48 year old, like, you know, women out in the streets, some from the suburbs throwing garbage cans. 0.99

01:51:47.000 Cause it's going to be bad.

01:51:48.000 Can't feed their kids. 1.00

01:51:48.000 Yup. 1.00

01:51:49.000 You think the summer of 2020 was better and granted, you know, the media does it, but If you're a reasonable person who saw the summer of 2020 and said, I don't like that.

01:51:57.000 I don't want more of that.

01:51:58.000 Oh my goodness.

01:51:58.000 If the petrodollar gets dropped, that's not going to look like it was anything.

01:52:03.000 I mean, that's going to look like a small skirmish.

01:52:05.000 And I have talked to several media members who got up and did what these cops did with the mandates and they read their teleprompter and they totally disagree with it, but to keep their job, they read the teleprompter.

01:52:20.000 All right. 0.99

01:52:20.000 Same crap. 0.99

01:52:21.000 We got this from S. Thiemann. 0.99

01:52:22.000 He says, 30-year Louisville KY resident, LMPD have a tough job, and a spineless Mayor Fisher.

01:52:29.000 Thank you, Officer Mattingly, for your service.

01:52:31.000 Thank you.

01:52:31.000 Appreciate it.

01:52:32.000 Alright.

01:52:36.000 Alright, what do we got?

01:52:37.000 Edmar says, Tim, you don't see the big picture about the war.

01:52:40.000 It's Big Map manipulating the map market.

01:52:42.000 Rand McNally is funding weapons to Russia.

01:52:44.000 Look it up on Wikipedia after I tweet it for their citation.

01:52:48.000 So they're like, we need to issue new maps.

01:52:51.000 So Russia needs to get even the tiniest piece of Ukraine. 0.87

01:52:55.000 Do you remember when Kamala said Russia's a big country, Ukraine's a small country?

01:53:01.000 She was holding her Rand McNally map.

01:53:05.000 Daniel Mueck says, Bawk!

01:53:09.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I also want to let you guys know that if you go to Chicken City on YouTube and give $5, treats come down.

01:53:15.000 We have a little automatic treat dispenser.

01:53:17.000 Chickens are sleeping, so I don't know if it works at night.

01:53:19.000 But we are getting ready to launch Chicken Party.

01:53:22.000 We've already made the song, the Chicken Party song.

01:53:24.000 You may have heard it.

01:53:25.000 It's great.

01:53:25.000 I've heard it.

01:53:26.000 And the idea is we're going to create a meter that once it fills all the way up, it reaches $100, it triggers the chicken party, and then we're going to have disco lights and it plays a dance song.

01:53:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:53:37.000 Now have you tried it?

01:53:38.000 Does it work the chickens up at all? 0.55

01:53:40.000 Does it get them excited moving around?

01:53:41.000 They get startled because the first noise is a rooster crow in the speaker and the roosters are like, what?

01:53:48.000 And then I scream, chicken party!

01:53:50.000 And then it plays this song.

01:53:51.000 I took this song and then edited it with chickens balking to the beat and roosters crowing.

01:53:56.000 It's like dance music for the chickens.

01:53:58.000 So I'm hoping we have that up soon.

01:54:01.000 It's all duct tape.

01:54:03.000 We've got to use a bunch of different systems, like If This Then That and Streamlabs, to create a way to track Super Chats in a meter, and then ultimately trigger a sound.

01:54:12.000 Triggering the sound is the hardest part, because how do you get a speaker to play a sound?

01:54:17.000 It's not the easiest thing.

01:54:19.000 There might be some coding we might have to do into it, but we've found some duct tape methods of getting it to play.

01:54:25.000 Probably just like... Well, I'll leave it at that.

01:54:27.000 We think we have it.

01:54:28.000 And hopefully in the next day or so, you will have the opportunity to give money to support a chicken party every day and have the dance music play for the chickens.

01:54:35.000 Because that's the important thing.

01:54:37.000 That's what we do.

01:54:37.000 It's very important.

01:54:38.000 Makes life easier.

01:54:39.000 That's right.

01:54:40.000 All right.

01:54:40.000 Let's grab some... We got Nesquik says, based guest tonight.

01:54:44.000 Well, there you go.

01:54:45.000 Thank you.

01:54:47.000 People News Today says, Delete Laws is fighting corrupt cops.

01:54:50.000 Please help.

01:54:51.000 I don't know who that is, but I like the idea, so.

01:54:55.000 Alright, let's see.

01:54:56.000 Aimbot says, John, if I set up a meeting to speak one-on-one to Donovan Mitchell, would you take it?

01:55:03.000 Absolutely.

01:55:04.000 I love Donovan Mitchell.

01:55:05.000 Who's Donovan Mitchell?

01:55:06.000 He plays for Louisville.

01:55:07.000 He plays for the Jazz now.

01:55:08.000 Great player.

01:55:09.000 All-star.

01:55:10.000 Would Donovan Mitchell though?

01:55:12.000 I don't know.

01:55:12.000 He's not anti-police because he just supported a retired LMPD guy who's running for sheriff.

01:55:20.000 He did have my case wrong, Donovan, if you're listening.

01:55:23.000 He had my case wrong on the Breonna thing saying we murdered her.

01:55:25.000 Everybody did.

01:55:28.000 Can I go back to this real quick?

01:55:30.000 So when my kids, I've got adult kids who, you know, they went to public school and they had a very diverse friendships, friendship groups, and they came to me when this first started.

01:55:41.000 They're like, oh, this person said this.

01:55:42.000 I can't believe it.

01:55:43.000 They're mad and I'm befriending them and I'll never talk to me.

01:55:45.000 I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.

01:55:47.000 Don't do all that.

01:55:48.000 I said, just sit back.

01:55:49.000 We're taught at a young age to believe the media, right?

01:55:52.000 Where do we get our info from?

01:55:53.000 The media, the news.

01:55:55.000 That's all they're getting.

01:55:56.000 They're not getting any pushback from anybody.

01:55:59.000 So naturally, if I didn't know the case, I would have believed it for eight months.

01:56:04.000 Nothing was said in opposed to all the lies.

01:56:08.000 Naturally, if somebody's lying about you, what do people do?

01:56:11.000 They defend themselves, right?

01:56:12.000 Right.

01:56:13.000 And when that's not happening, you assume, well, I guess then what they're saying is true.

01:56:16.000 Yeah.

01:56:17.000 And so I told him, just wait till the truth comes out.

01:56:19.000 Then if they still feel that way, then you can cut their friendship off.

01:56:22.000 But just pump the brakes.

01:56:23.000 All right, we got a really important one here from Steven Richards with a big super chat.

01:56:27.000 He says, ACAB and then pig and clown emojis. 0.98

01:56:32.000 I like pigs. 0.96

01:56:34.000 I like donuts, too. 0.51

01:56:35.000 You forgot that one.

01:56:36.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:56:37.000 ACAB stands for All Cops Are Bastards. 0.99

01:56:39.000 Oh. 1.00

01:56:40.000 Yep.

01:56:40.000 But I know my mom and dad, so it's cool.

01:56:43.000 But Stephen gave us $40 for that super chat.

01:56:46.000 And I think as much as it doesn't really express all that much of an idea that we can contemplate, I do like reading, you know, contrarian thought or arguments or, you know, opposition opinion.

01:56:59.000 So, you know, we'll take it by all means.

01:57:02.000 Stephen, I'm gonna give you a hint, though.

01:57:03.000 That really doesn't offend cops anymore.

01:57:05.000 It's so numb to it.

01:57:07.000 It's just waste your 40 bucks, but Tim appreciates it.

01:57:10.000 No, no, it's not.

01:57:11.000 Give me your money.

01:57:12.000 Tim appreciates it.

01:57:14.000 Buy my book.

01:57:15.000 It's only 30.

01:57:15.000 It's a virtue signal.

01:57:18.000 They're not saying it for you to offend you.

01:57:20.000 They're saying it to make sure everybody knows that they think cops are bad.

01:57:23.000 Right.

01:57:23.000 Yeah.

01:57:24.000 I'm like you.

01:57:24.000 I think cops are bad.

01:57:26.000 Oh, okay.

01:57:27.000 Love you, Steve.

01:57:27.000 I certainly, you know, like saying abolish the police all the time because of the COVID stuff, that's for sure.

01:57:32.000 But I also want to stress that, you know, my point on that is it's kind of a shock statement.

01:57:38.000 That is not completely untrue.

01:57:40.000 My position is mostly just we need serious reforms, whatever you want to call it.

01:57:45.000 But if we're at the point where we're looking at woke leftist cops, at that point, I'm like, let's abolish them before it gets to that point.

01:57:53.000 Yeah, I'm with you.

01:57:55.000 I don't know if you saw it.

01:57:57.000 Specifically, this point was because in Seattle, cops arrested a guy who was being attacked by Antifa and then apologized to Antifa.

01:58:03.000 But when the good cops all quit, who's left?

01:58:06.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 Well, I've been warning people of that.

01:58:08.000 You know, you keep chasing the good ones off, you're going to be back in the 80s like New Orleans and Detroit, where you have so much corruption. 0.94

01:58:14.000 We're all screwed. 0.71

01:58:15.000 When you outlaw police, only the outlaws will be police. 0.99

01:58:18.000 There you go.

01:58:19.000 I don't know how that makes sense.

01:58:21.000 All right, Caleb W says, Tim, you keep mentioning David Pakman in the same space as yourself, Crowder, Kim Iverson, and other legit independent personalities.

01:58:28.000 Don't demean yourself to that dude.

01:58:30.000 Don't demean yourself to that dude is a radical leftist that lies as much as CNN.

01:58:34.000 I've sent you articles about UFC.

01:58:38.000 I think I don't know what David's deal is.

01:58:43.000 I've known him for a really long time.

01:58:45.000 There were a few stories that I, because I've seen, I watched his content periodically.

01:58:50.000 He got wrong.

01:58:50.000 And I talked to him on Facebook and I sent him like, hey, check this out.

01:58:53.000 I think you missed this story because this is a correction.

01:58:55.000 And he just ignores it.

01:58:56.000 But then he certainly, you know, like, so I know he gets it.

01:59:00.000 Like, I know he sees me being like, here's an article from the New York Times showing that the thing you just put out was wrong, and he just doesn't say anything, so.

01:59:06.000 You know, that being said, I don't expect everyone to be correct, and, um, I encourage people to watch everyone.

01:59:12.000 So when I mention David Pakman, it's not- it's basically because I'm not gonna sit here and pretend to be the arbiter of truth and morality, and to be better or smarter than anyone.

01:59:19.000 I'm gonna say, you go watch his content, and like Caleb, maybe you'll come to that conclusion and be like, wow, okay, so this- this guy's not good.

01:59:26.000 Or maybe you'll be like, wow, David made a good point, Tim was wrong.

01:59:30.000 I think I have faith in your intelligence and you guys going and watching other channels is important for you to develop resilience to the lies and the manipulations.

01:59:41.000 I'm not here to tell anybody how to live their lives to a certain degree.

01:59:44.000 Obviously, I have my opinions on morality and ethics, but ultimately I think when it comes to the truth that motivates the actions, I think you should have a lot of, you know, responsibility.

01:59:54.000 I'll put it this way.

01:59:55.000 I can certainly say, I think people should be standing up for themselves, doing this, if they want these things.

02:00:01.000 But that is in the sense of, if you tell me you want freedom, if you tell me you want your kids to be safe, I will tell you my opinion on what I think would work for you.

02:00:10.000 And that is standing up for what you believe in, because it'll make everyone's lives better.

02:00:13.000 But truth be told, you do you to all me, I don't want to be responsible for your life.

02:00:17.000 So, by all means, be critical of me whenever you feel like it, and I respect and expect it.

02:00:24.000 All right.

02:00:24.000 DJ Madero says, Tim, Star Trek Enterprise in a mirror darkly.

02:00:30.000 Good episode.

02:00:30.000 It's a great episode as Star Trek.

02:00:33.000 It's as great an episode as Star Trek's DS9 in the pale moonlight.

02:00:36.000 You've seen it?

02:00:36.000 Yeah, and Mirror Darkly.

02:00:37.000 It's a good episode.

02:00:38.000 Really?

02:00:39.000 It's one of the few I could remember by episode title.

02:00:40.000 Yeah, it was decent.

02:00:41.000 Wow.

02:00:41.000 Because Enterprise was not a very good series.

02:00:43.000 I watched it as a kid, and I loved it because I was a kid.

02:00:46.000 And then I remember revisiting it when I was probably 14 years old or so and going, this show isn't that good.

02:00:51.000 But that episode I very much enjoyed.

02:00:54.000 I don't want to spoil too much.

02:00:56.000 Just for the quick.

02:00:57.000 So the point of Star Trek Enterprise is it takes place, it's a prequel series, and so what happens is they find a portal to like a mirror universe, which is just basically identical to theirs but a little further in the future, and they find the Starship, which is the same class as the original Star Trek series, so it looks like the same set from the 60s and the same ship.

02:01:19.000 Yeah, it's a good episode.

02:01:21.000 Cool.

02:01:22.000 Jeffrey Pfaff says, why would CNN pull 10-minute news clips off YouTube?

02:01:27.000 Because they want you to go and watch on CNN+, where you pay $3 a month.

02:01:31.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

02:01:32.000 Yeah.

02:01:32.000 Forgot about that.

02:01:34.000 So what we did was, we didn't take our clips off YouTube, we just created a segment for the website.

02:01:39.000 CNN has done that as well.

02:01:41.000 They've created, like, Jake Tapper's Book Club and, you know, other ridiculous shows.

02:01:45.000 But they're trying to compete in this space.

02:01:49.000 I'll tell you, take a look at Netflix.

02:01:52.000 Netflix had Marvel shows.

02:01:55.000 Where are those shows now?

02:01:56.000 They're on Disney+.

02:01:57.000 Because Disney was like, why are we giving our shows to Netflix?

02:02:00.000 We can make our own.

02:02:01.000 We can make our own streaming service.

02:02:03.000 YouTube, in 2012, one of the top YouTube people, like I know, I've known a lot of people, I have friends at Google, told me that they're competing with Netflix and that's their goal.

02:02:13.000 What's going to happen now when all of these big networks that put content on YouTube say, we're doing our own streaming service?

02:02:20.000 They're going to be like, put the promos on YouTube for posting on Twitter, and then put the real stuff on our platform where we can make money.

02:02:26.000 That means these big networks are going to pull off YouTube, even the small ones.

02:02:30.000 Because, you know, we're certainly looking at... I would rather have our own website.

02:02:35.000 And I can tell you this, YouTube.

02:02:38.000 About a third of all of our ad revenue that goes to YouTube, that comes through YouTube, goes to YouTube.

02:02:44.000 What if I just made my own website, took 100% of the ad revenue and then paid 35% to market myself instead of giving it to Google?

02:02:50.000 How do I even know that they're marketing me effectively based on the amount of money they're taking?

02:02:54.000 I don't.

02:02:55.000 So YouTube certainly made an incentive for people to abandon the platform, at least in the next several years.

02:03:01.000 All right.

02:03:01.000 Let's, let's grab some more.

02:03:03.000 We'll just do a couple more because I didn't see, I wanted to grab some specific questions to get some nuance, but I think, you know, Can I mention something very quickly?

02:03:11.000 I'm seeing in the non-paid super chats people are noticing that I am differently colored than I was two episodes ago or three episodes ago.

02:03:18.000 So the camera was blue.

02:03:19.000 I looked like Joe Rogan on CNN.

02:03:21.000 I want all of you to know it was because of the tint of the camera.

02:03:24.000 I was not sick.

02:03:25.000 It was funny because I had not been on the several episodes prior to that one and so people thought that I had been sick and was recovering and that's why I was blue but that is not the case.

02:03:35.000 That's right.

02:03:35.000 Popular conspiracy theory.

02:03:37.000 Mike Tapia says, everyone in the chat room type in bok bok for Chicken City.

02:03:42.000 I suppose.

02:03:42.000 Yes.

02:03:43.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

02:03:44.000 says, guys, watch Arcane on Netflix.

02:03:46.000 Good stuff.

02:03:47.000 Well, all right.

02:03:47.000 All right.

02:03:49.000 Jeffrey Pfaff says, so you agree with me?

02:03:51.000 It's promo clips now.

02:03:53.000 Is that what it already is?

02:03:54.000 Because I wouldn't be surprised if that that's kind of my point, but I don't know.

02:03:56.000 I could be wrong.

02:03:57.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to go and record this members only podcast for all of our members.

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02:04:06.000 Yeah, well, so what we're doing is we're trying to expand, we're trying to make culture very much like The Daily Wire is doing.

02:04:11.000 Our intent is to expand as much as we can.

02:04:15.000 The challenges, I am but one humble man trying to do this, which means we've got to figure out strategic ways of expansion, which means we've got to hire people, project managers, producers, and all this stuff, and it is difficult to manage, because we're certainly not, we're nowhere near as big as The Daily Wire.

02:04:31.000 They're massive.

02:04:32.000 But we hope to get to that point.

02:04:34.000 I'm a big fan of what they're doing culturally.

02:04:36.000 And with your support at TimCast.com, we're going to be able to do a lot more of this.

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02:04:40.000 Our new mobile studio is currently being built.

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02:04:49.000 And bully Michael Knowles.

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02:05:05.000 John, do you want to shout anything out?

02:05:06.000 You got a book?

02:05:07.000 You got social media?

02:05:07.000 Yeah, 12 Seconds of Dark.

02:05:09.000 You can get it anywhere.

02:05:09.000 You can buy books, whether it be Amazon, Target, Walmart online.

02:05:14.000 It's in stores at Barnes & Noble and Books a Million.

02:05:19.000 So yeah, get the book.

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02:05:31.000 Right on! 0.80

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02:06:17.000 Right now what you'll see is the IR camera showing sleeping chickens.

02:06:22.000 But throughout the day it's quite fun.

02:06:24.000 And truth be told, a lot of people are saying, we have like 17,500 subscribers on this channel in like three weeks.

02:06:30.000 Because people, people... Here's the truth.

02:06:32.000 When people are at work and they're just like in the office or whatever, putting it on the background, you hear like woodpeckers and you hear like birds tweeting and you'll hear like a train horn and then you'll hear Sasquatch.

02:06:44.000 Then you'll hear me screaming at the chickens.

02:06:46.000 You'll hear my conversations as I'm outside the door.

02:06:49.000 But people like the background nature sounds, which is really what makes Chicken City work.

02:06:54.000 And then also the chickens are hilarious.

02:06:55.000 You can give them treats and they run around doing chicken stuff.

02:06:57.000 So they're quite silly things.

02:06:59.000 And the best part is they just poop where they walk. 0.82

02:07:01.000 They'll just literally walk and then just So anyway, thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:07:04.000 We're gonna record this.

02:07:05.000 It's kinda like Joe Biden.

02:07:07.000 That's right!

02:07:07.000 Little Joe Biden's walking around.

02:07:09.000 Yeah, they do, when the rooster jumps on the back of the hens, they do call it the old Biden sniff. 0.75

02:07:13.000 No, they do.

02:07:14.000 In the chat room, they call it the old Biden, because the rooster bites the neck of the hen, and it looks like... Like he's buried in it sniffing.

02:07:21.000 Like he's got his head, you know, like he did that one time.

02:07:24.000 Anyway... One time?

02:07:25.000 Come on, now. 0.87

02:07:29.000 Yes, yes, we must be fair.

02:07:30.000 Head over to TimCast.com.

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