Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died, Trump Must Now Appoint NEW SCOTUS Judge

00:00:00.000 you you

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00:00:33.000 you major breaking news that happened just within the past half

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00:00:40.000 I'm sure most of you know because you clicked this video.

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00:00:45.000 Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court Justice, has passed away.

00:00:49.000 She was 87. 0.77

00:00:51.000 Rest in peace.

00:00:52.000 We have a lot to talk about.

00:00:53.000 Donald Trump will now have to select a new Supreme Court Justice, and there is A lot to unpack.

00:00:59.000 Potential riots, protests.

00:01:02.000 Who are the Supreme Court picks? 0.90

00:01:03.000 I can't—I'm shocked this is happening right now.

00:01:05.000 I mean, it was—with all due respect, a lot of people were worried this day was going to come, but it was fairly reasonable to assume.

00:01:14.000 I'm trying to be very delicate because I really do mean it that Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a strong individual.

00:01:19.000 She broke ground in a lot of ways.

00:01:21.000 And I have tremendous respect for anybody who gives their life to serve this country, even if we disagree.

00:01:27.000 But her time did come and she passed away.

00:01:29.000 Donald Trump now has a bunch of people he wants to pick.

00:01:33.000 And there are many of them, if not all of them, that could lead to protests.

00:01:39.000 That's putting it lightly.

00:01:40.000 I mean, most of you probably remember what happened with Brett Kavanaugh.

00:01:43.000 The smears, the media cycle, the pounding on the doors.

00:01:47.000 That was pretty intense.

00:01:48.000 We are less than two months away from one of the most important presidential elections probably ever, I mean at least for us in our lifetime, and this dropped just right now.

00:02:00.000 So it's hard to know who this is going to energize more, Republicans or Democrats, but we have a lot to break down and we'll figure it out.

00:02:08.000 So we are lucky to be joined by political commentator Drew Holden, the spooler of threads on Twitter.

00:02:14.000 You have a bunch of insightful threads talking about various political issues.

00:02:18.000 And so we were just going to talk regular news.

00:02:20.000 We were like it'd be really great to have Drew.

00:02:23.000 I've shared your threads on Twitter before.

00:02:25.000 You're pretty insightful.

00:02:27.000 And then this happened and we were getting ready for the show when the news dropped and

00:02:32.000 it was just kind of like getting punched in the gut.

00:02:34.000 And I'm not saying like you know it's I'm not saying it to be like I was devastated

00:02:39.000 by it emotionally just like it was a shock.

00:02:41.000 Like yeah right now it just happened.

00:02:43.000 So we should just dive into this.

00:02:46.000 There's a lot to go over.

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00:02:58.000 Of course, we're joined also by At Sour Patch Lids, the producer, and we have I'll just say it for the millionth time, a lot to go through.

00:03:07.000 So let me just, we'll do the news first and foremost, and then we're going to start breaking this down.

00:03:11.000 From NPR, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, champion of gender equality, dies at 87.

00:03:17.000 I'm going to show you her dying wish, that NPR has included, that I was shocked to hear.

00:03:26.000 According to NPR, they say just days before her death, as her strength waned, Ginsburg dictated this statement to her granddaughter, Clara Spera.

00:03:34.000 Quote, my most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.

00:03:40.000 Okay, that is shockingly 2020.

00:03:46.000 And we're going to start getting into, we're going to lighten up in a little bit.

00:03:51.000 I want to make sure we're being respectful and delicate as we talk about her losing her life for sure.

00:03:55.000 But we're going to lighten up and talk about the future in a second.

00:03:58.000 But I just want to say, that quote to me is It's bordering on the absurd.

00:04:05.000 It's almost shocking that that's the statement that was put out.

00:04:09.000 But let me just read a little bit.

00:04:10.000 They say, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the demure firebrand who in her 80s became a legal, cultural, and feminist icon, has died.

00:04:16.000 The Supreme Court announced her death, saying the cause was complications from cancer.

00:04:21.000 Architect of the legal fight for women's rights in the 1970s, Ginsburg subsequently served 27 years on the nation's highest court, becoming its most prominent member. 0.98

00:04:29.000 Her death will inevitably set in motion what promises to be a nasty and tumultuous political

00:04:34.000 battle over who will succeed her, and it thrusts the Supreme Court vacancy into the spotlight 0.72

00:04:40.000 of the presidential campaign.

00:04:42.000 She knew what was to come.

00:04:43.000 Ginsburg's death will have profound consequences for the court and the country.

00:04:49.000 Inside the court, not only is the leader of the liberal wing gone, but with the court

00:04:53.000 about to open a new term, Chief Justice John Roberts no longer holds the controlling vote

00:04:59.000 in closely contested cases.

00:05:01.000 Though he has a consistently conservative record on most cases, he has split from fellow conservatives in a few important ones, this year casting his vote with liberals, for instance, to at least temporarily protect the so-called Dreamers from deportation by the Trump administration.

00:05:17.000 To uphold a major abortion precedent and to uphold bans on large church gatherings during the coronavirus pandemic.

00:05:24.000 But with Ginsburg gone, there is no clear court majority for those outcomes.

00:05:28.000 Now, the most important thing that needs to be mentioned as we enter an election cycle that will likely be disputed is that the Supreme Court now skews conservative, very likely meaning, if we go to a contested election and the court must decide, I think they're gonna side with Trump.

00:05:50.000 Well, I'm a bit... Look, we got 50 billion stories here.

00:05:54.000 Who's Trump gonna pick?

00:05:56.000 Amy Coney Barrett?

00:05:57.000 Conservative?

00:05:59.000 What will the left's reaction be?

00:06:00.000 Let me just ask you right away, just off of your general reaction, both you guys, let's just get into it.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, obviously, prayers are with her family in the repose of her soul, and, you know, she's been battling cancer for a long time, and I think NPR hit the nail on the head when they talked about her being a cultural icon, right?

00:06:17.000 And I don't think I'm going to blow anyone's mind when I say that I don't necessarily agree with the sorts of things she stood for to be a cultural icon, but I think it's important to recognize that she is.

00:06:25.000 And I mean, I think this is, you know, we chatted about it a little bit before the show, but this is going to be an enormous gut punch to millions and millions of people across the country.

00:06:33.000 And I think for a lot of people, that'll be the cultural import.

00:06:37.000 But Tim, I think you're right.

00:06:37.000 I think one of the biggest things that Mike had overlooked here is, if there are people who don't believe in the integrity of the Supreme Court as a result of her leaving, which I think a lot of people wrongfully will, we're going to have to deal with that on Election Day.

00:06:49.000 Careful.

00:06:50.000 Pounding.

00:06:51.000 Sorry.

00:06:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:52.000 So it's not just that they would side with Trump if the vote gets contested.

00:06:58.000 We're looking at mail-in ballots.

00:07:01.000 I've talked to my progressive friends.

00:07:02.000 They think it's totally safe, and they don't know anything about the stories that have emerged.

00:07:06.000 Like in Patterson, New Jersey, for instance, they voided the election.

00:07:10.000 There's something like a million primary ballots have been discounted or were late.

00:07:13.000 The New York Times reported this.

00:07:15.000 In Baltimore, I think it was 68,000 ballots were held for five days, but the Postal Service wasn't delivering them.

00:07:21.000 There have been numerous errors.

00:07:22.000 And now, they might side with Donald Trump, the court.

00:07:26.000 However, the left might view it as illegitimate.

00:07:30.000 But the court's missing the key vote.

00:07:32.000 Right.

00:07:32.000 How can it?

00:07:33.000 And what if they split?

00:07:34.000 What if it goes 4-4?

00:07:35.000 If it goes 4-4.

00:07:36.000 I mean, what do you do, man?

00:07:38.000 And I mean, I think we, you know, you can come into it to the election and say, hey, even if you even if you're someone who is worried about it, then at least we've got the Supreme Court to be able to moderate this thing.

00:07:46.000 And now we don't know that we'll have the numbers.

00:07:48.000 And if we do have the numbers, you're right.

00:07:50.000 I mean, think about it.

00:07:50.000 Like we we saw how upset people were in 2016.

00:07:54.000 And now imagine all of those people not only are upset, but they're also thinking that the results of the election are illegitimate and that they're not fair.

00:08:00.000 And that, of course, it's Donald Trump's fault.

00:08:02.000 And then, so the election breaks.

00:08:05.000 Mail-in voting is contested on both sides.

00:08:08.000 On election day, Donald Trump landslides.

00:08:09.000 It's called the Red Mirage.

00:08:11.000 Republicans are going to go vote in person, Democrats vote by mail.

00:08:14.000 That means on election night, Trump wins in a landslide.

00:08:17.000 Over the next several days, the Democrat votes start pouring in, and then it flips to Joe Biden.

00:08:22.000 Donald Trump then starts contesting some of these mail-in votes, saying some were discounted, some were counted that shouldn't have been.

00:08:28.000 Those signatures don't match.

00:08:30.000 You know, we saw in Pennsylvania, they ruled signature verification out the window.

00:08:33.000 They now can't disqualify a vote if the signature doesn't match, arguing they should be able to give the voter a chance to fix it.

00:08:39.000 So what?

00:08:40.000 It takes two months to fix all the votes?

00:08:43.000 Not gonna happen.

00:08:44.000 Trump's gonna sue.

00:08:45.000 Joe Biden's gonna sue.

00:08:46.000 It's gonna go to the Supreme Court.

00:08:48.000 And what if it goes 4-4?

00:08:50.000 I don't think it would because they lost Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

00:08:54.000 But Roberts... Roberts could go liberal.

00:08:57.000 And I think conservatives have learned their lesson time and time again that Roberts is not some sort of stalwart conservative that we should put our faith in.

00:09:05.000 Could you imagine if it finally goes to the court and they go 4-4 on this?

00:09:09.000 What do you do?

00:09:10.000 I don't even know.

00:09:10.000 That's the other thing too, is I don't... You would have legal fights about how to resolve the legal fight.

00:09:15.000 The Supreme Court is not in a position to actually solve the problem with only eight members.

00:09:20.000 Trump needs to appoint someone now, and this person needs to be confirmed now.

00:09:25.000 Now, now, now.

00:09:26.000 The problem with that though...

00:09:28.000 Is that the left is going to be... We were talking about the White House siege, right?

00:09:33.000 Yeah.

00:09:33.000 Did you hear about this protest?

00:09:34.000 Oh yeah.

00:09:35.000 So for those that aren't familiar, a group called Adbusters, the magazine, had put out a call for... It was a 50 days of protest called the White House siege in front of the White House.

00:09:43.000 It was supposed to be non-violent.

00:09:45.000 But I guess nobody was buying it because they called it a siege.

00:09:49.000 So they changed it to 50 days of improvisational jazz.

00:09:52.000 Because they really did not want violence.

00:09:55.000 I can respect that.

00:09:56.000 Peaceful protest is cool, it's cool.

00:09:57.000 Sure.

00:09:58.000 But it was announced by the General Assembly, the activists in DC, that due to Donald Trump, they would be cancelling the event.

00:10:05.000 Because they felt like free speech was under attack and all that stuff.

00:10:08.000 If there was anything that could ignite a legitimate 50-day siege, and I don't mean like jazz or non-violent protest.

00:10:16.000 I mean quite literally people shaking the fences.

00:10:19.000 They were pounding on the doors of the Supreme Court when Brett Kavanaugh was get it was it was the Supreme Court or what building was it?

00:10:24.000 I think it was in the Senate.

00:10:26.000 They were trying to get in the Senate, right?

00:10:27.000 They're banging on the doors.

00:10:28.000 Yep.

00:10:29.000 Oh, here it comes.

00:10:30.000 And I mean, obviously, the Kavanaugh appointment was huge and it was historic.

00:10:34.000 It was important, but it pales in comparison.

00:10:37.000 I mean, it's not even close.

00:10:39.000 We've never had something like this in terms of a Supreme Court appointment.

00:10:41.000 And so, yeah, I think everything's out the window.

00:10:43.000 And on top of that, you've got all of these people, be they political or otherwise, who have been cooped up for six, seven, eight months.

00:10:48.000 Oh, man.

00:10:49.000 All they want to do is get out of the house.

00:10:50.000 Are we in a simulation?

00:10:53.000 We were talking about this too.

00:10:54.000 I'm half kidding.

00:10:55.000 I'm only half kidding.

00:10:56.000 It's heavy handed.

00:10:57.000 If it is, it's too much.

00:10:58.000 What did you say, the writers of 2020 were bold to put this right before the election?

00:11:02.000 It's like, you gotta reign in the audience a little bit more, right?

00:11:06.000 We've got the election coming up, we're not even into December, and if you're gonna throw something that big out, already knowing you've got a planned election coming up in one of your episodes in the future, the writers are ham-fisted at this point in my book.

00:11:16.000 No, I kind of feel like it's Game of Thrones early season-worthy, where you're watching and all of a sudden you're like, no way, they just killed...

00:11:24.000 How did they kill that?

00:11:24.000 The Red Wedding.

00:11:25.000 Yeah, the Red Wedding.

00:11:26.000 They killed everyone.

00:11:27.000 This is our Red Wedding.

00:11:28.000 Well, the Democrats are saying that.

00:11:30.000 Oh, God, seriously.

00:11:31.000 But at least you can put the book down.

00:11:32.000 You can turn the TV off.

00:11:33.000 This is life.

00:11:34.000 I mean, I'm going to go back to my apartment in D.C.

00:11:37.000 and it's going to be protests.

00:11:40.000 It's going to be cordoned off city streets.

00:11:44.000 You know, and I really want to stress, I know there's a lot of partisan people, NPR says it's going to get nasty.

00:11:50.000 I have tremendous respect for Ruth Bader Ginsburg, man, I really do.

00:11:53.000 She battled that cancer like one of the strongest people I've ever seen suffering from, you know, the illness.

00:12:00.000 And she kept winning, and she withstood it for as long as she possibly could, and it was impressive.

00:12:08.000 It was remarkably impressive.

00:12:09.000 And I think she had pneumonia, too?

00:12:10.000 Yeah, she did.

00:12:11.000 At some point, something like that?

00:12:12.000 Yeah, she was hospitalized, I think once, maybe a couple times.

00:12:14.000 I was impressed with the sheer willpower and as much as, like you mentioned, you know, look, we don't have to agree with her politically.

00:12:19.000 In fact, we can very much disagree and be worried about her politics.

00:12:23.000 But I think, you know, look, we are Americans first and foremost, and that sheer willpower to try and stand throughout the election was impressive.

00:12:33.000 You know, I know a lot of people are probably happy that Trump will not get to make an appointment, but I hope people recognize we can be, you know, sad to see her go and prayers and respect to her family and all that while still being like, Okay, you know, without reveling in that, you know, we're looking to the future and what's going to come next.

00:12:50.000 And already we're seeing a lot of photos popping up of who comes next.

00:12:55.000 Yeah.

00:12:56.000 So first and foremost, let me see.

00:12:58.000 We have this photo right here from Cassandra Fairbanks tweeted just this photo and we all know what it is.

00:13:05.000 It's Amy Coney Barrett.

00:13:07.000 So, uh, I believe Trump will appoint her.

00:13:10.000 We can also see this.

00:13:11.000 Take a look right here.

00:13:12.000 Trending.

00:13:12.000 Politics.

00:13:14.000 2.69 million tweets.

00:13:15.000 No.

00:13:19.000 We gotta be careful because we are gonna have a lot of laughter going on here at the expense of many of the people on the left.

00:13:25.000 And I want to, you know, just say it's like, you know, it's not at the expense of Ruth Bader Ginsburg in any capacity, but seeing the reaction now, nearly, what, 2.7 million tweets of no, no, no, what did you just say?

00:13:37.000 It was like, it's like Hillary Clinton election night all over again.

00:13:39.000 Yeah, it's going to be that times a thousand, right?

00:13:42.000 It's going to be the, I'm sure you all remember that image of the individual wailing at the sky, right?

00:13:48.000 That was the inauguration, I think.

00:13:49.000 It was.

00:13:50.000 Or was it, I thought it was when they called the election.

00:13:52.000 Was it?

00:13:53.000 But I could be wrong.

00:13:53.000 I could be wrong too, I don't know.

00:13:54.000 But it's gonna be that, and I mean, you know, we were talking before, like, it feels almost a little bit crass to have to dive into what the political implications of this are, but the political implications are enormous.

00:14:05.000 You can't escape them, especially with, what, 46 days to the election?

00:14:09.000 Who did Trump—Trump chose a handful of people for his new list, and he included—I know he chose Tom Cotton, because I'm going to mention his quote in a second.

00:14:17.000 But do you know who some of the other picks were?

00:14:19.000 Yeah, so Comey Barrett, I think, was on the list.

00:14:22.000 Mike Lee from Utah, I believe, was on the list.

00:14:24.000 There's one other senator, I think, as well.

00:14:27.000 Wasn't it Cruz?

00:14:28.000 It was Cruz.

00:14:28.000 It was Cruz, who, in his own respect, is a pretty impressive constitutional law scholar, by all indications.

00:14:35.000 It's complicated because they're political, right?

00:14:36.000 But they're people with serious, at least legal bona fides, if not judicial bona fides.

00:14:42.000 And then there were a number of other people on there who I think are circuit court judges.

00:14:46.000 And then there were a few, I think there was a big push among a lot of conservative legal advocates who were fighting for Clarence Thomas clerks.

00:14:53.000 Right people like there's there was a big push after especially after you know Gorsuch I think had made a couple of decisions that folks didn't like Kavanaugh's made a couple decisions people didn't like and so there's been a big push by a lot of a lot of the legal talking heads in DC to say you know what the only one we can trust is Clarence Thomas and the only people we should be putting on this list is our people who have clerked for him.

00:15:12.000 So, a lot of people think he's going to choose Amy Coney Barrett, and I think—I would have to say so. 0.89

00:15:18.000 Now, before we get into it, we can actually pull up some information about her because, again, people think it will be her.

00:15:24.000 He selected—one of the people on his shortlist was Tom Cotton.

00:15:28.000 And then we saw, I think, some of these other people said, I appreciate it, I have no interest in leaving the Senate.

00:15:34.000 Josh Hawley, yeah.

00:15:36.000 Josh Hawley.

00:15:37.000 And Tom Cotton said, what does he say, the days of Roe v. Wade are numbered or something?

00:15:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:41.000 He's like, well, the days of Roe v. Wade should be over.

00:15:43.000 And he also said, I would be honored to serve my country.

00:15:46.000 And he's like, as someone who has served their country for a long time, I would be honored to serve my country in any capacity.

00:15:50.000 He's got it!

00:15:51.000 He's got it!

00:15:52.000 If Trump picks Tom Cotton after Tom Cotton said that, it is going to be war in D.C.

00:16:01.000 We've talked about conflict before, we've talked about civil unrest, but Tom Cotton straight-up said it.

00:16:06.000 Days of Roe v. Wade are numbered or something to that effect.

00:16:10.000 If Trump says, yeah, Tom Cotton.

00:16:13.000 And they set up a Senate confirmation within a month of the election.

00:16:18.000 It's impossible to overstate what that would look like.

00:16:22.000 I'm scared to say what I think it would result in.

00:16:25.000 And don't forget, Tom Cotton is persona non grata enough to the left that when he wrote an op-ed Voicing an opinion that is shared by almost 60% of Americans you had the guy who runs the op-ed page resign and you had a you had a Staff revolt.

00:16:41.000 Yeah, you had a staff revolt not just at the New York Times, but everywhere There are other people who backed him up who lost their jobs, right?

00:16:47.000 It's it rolled journalism in an insane way.

00:16:49.000 That was over an op-ed Take a look at this from the hill Tom Cotton, after Trump names him potential Supreme Court nominee, quote, it's time for Roe v. Wade to go, 100, I'm estimating, but it's 100, I'm rounding up, 110,000 shares on the Hill from September 9th.

00:17:05.000 I gotta say, man, when you make a joke about the 2020 season writers, you mean to tell me that Donald Trump put out a list a week ago where the guy said Roe v. Wade's out, Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies a week later, If he picks this dude, and the Supreme Court is split 4-4 with Roberts siding with the Liberals against Trump, and there's no clear winner and no way to resolve this, this is an existential crisis for this country, man.

00:17:30.000 And this is an existential crisis if everything goes well between now and then.

00:17:34.000 Right?

00:17:34.000 I think one of the things that, unfortunately, we haven't always done a great job of in 2020 is recognizing that it always gets worse, right?

00:17:41.000 It only gets worse and deeper in ways we don't understand or expect.

00:17:44.000 What if coronavirus comes back worse in the fall and the winter?

00:17:48.000 What if flu season makes it worse?

00:17:49.000 There's so much!

00:17:50.000 Dude, the aliens are coming.

00:17:52.000 The ship's gonna land in a week and we're gonna be like, thank you!

00:17:55.000 As a DC resident, if Tom Cotton, and don't be wrong, I love Tom Cotton.

00:17:58.000 Huge Tom Cotton fan.

00:17:59.000 I've been boosting him for a long time.

00:18:01.000 If he gets nominated to the Supreme Court and the protests start, I think I'm rooting for aliens to show up.

00:18:06.000 I think that would probably make my day-to-day life a lot easier.

00:18:09.000 Let me tell you, dude.

00:18:10.000 A while ago, beginning of the year, I started looking at properties far away from cities.

00:18:16.000 And I found one and it was very, very difficult to set up and buy.

00:18:20.000 And we're officially set up.

00:18:22.000 As soon as we wrap up this show, we're hopping in a car, driving for several hours.

00:18:26.000 And I'm going to wake up at the new facility.

00:18:28.000 We're going to start setting up the new studio because I do not want to be anywhere near these cities.

00:18:33.000 And after, look, we can talk about Antifa, we can talk about the Proud Boys, and I lived in New York, people were planting bombs, like, there was just crazy people.

00:18:40.000 So I wanted to get away from these cities as the political tensions flared up.

00:18:43.000 But this is the sharpest spike in emotional shock we have seen in the entire year.

00:18:50.000 Like, everybody knew it was coming, it was a time bomb, and now it's dropped.

00:18:54.000 And it dropped a week after Tom Cotton said... It's insane.

00:18:58.000 Wow, man.

00:18:58.000 I'm telling you, if you were writing 2020 as a show and all you were trying to do is freak your show watchers out, that's what you would do.

00:19:04.000 I mean, I don't know what you would do different.

00:19:06.000 And one of the other problems of the two is it comes at a time when people are already emotionally frayed.

00:19:11.000 Everyone is burnt out.

00:19:12.000 Everyone is worn down.

00:19:13.000 They're worn down by politics.

00:19:15.000 They're worn down by coronavirus.

00:19:16.000 They're worn down by the lockdown and everything else swirling around it.

00:19:20.000 And now you throw this into the mix?

00:19:22.000 I gotta say, I'm kind of freaking out, man.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, me too.

00:19:27.000 So for those that are listening, we're sitting here, I had like a Gatorade and we were like making jokes.

00:19:33.000 And I was like, I think we're going to talk about, you know, there's this thing with Joe Rogan that's really interesting.

00:19:36.000 And then all of a sudden I see the tweet breaking.

00:19:39.000 Here's what you did.

00:19:40.000 So you opened up Twitter and you're like, all right, so what are we going to talk about?

00:19:44.000 And you were like, I think I said, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.

00:19:49.000 I put my hands on my head and I was like, oh my god.

00:19:52.000 And then Lydia's like, what happened?

00:19:54.000 And I was like, Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.

00:19:56.000 And I was like, oh my god.

00:19:59.000 This is crazy.

00:20:00.000 And you started it by saying...

00:20:02.000 what's the biggest story of the day and we have a really high we're like it

00:20:05.000 really kicking around and i got a now and his broken things big like there's

00:20:09.000 as if you know the things going on i think i was a chris rock said something like that i think i don't

00:20:13.000 know if you're getting out of that the chris ross is a big subpoena's and

00:20:16.000 you get hands on head like

00:20:18.000 i was i was like a former o c actress from the tv show yeah i have a port of

00:20:23.000 And I was like we're gonna have a fun conversation about like walk away and like never Trump or and stuff and but but here check this out this is what's this is what's happened so over on Twitter we have the trending tab Number one is Rip Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

00:20:35.000 With absolute respect.

00:20:36.000 Number two is Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

00:20:38.000 Nearly 500,000 tweets.

00:20:40.000 Followed by Supreme Court.

00:20:41.000 McConnell.

00:20:42.000 Notorious RBG.

00:20:43.000 Rest in power.

00:20:44.000 Rest in peace RBG.

00:20:45.000 Not RBG.

00:20:46.000 Rip RBG.

00:20:47.000 Rip Ruth. 0.89

00:20:48.000 Kavanaugh.

00:20:49.000 And then Puerto Rico, which is still big news, and then it goes to Rosh Hashanah and a bunch of other things, but then it goes back to Murkowski.

00:20:54.000 Anyway, the point is, look, Tom Cotton's trending, Roe v. Wade is trending.

00:20:58.000 No, no, no, with now nearly 3 million tweets is trending.

00:21:03.000 Amy Coney Barrett trending, Moscow Mitch, Arby, the entire trending tab.

00:21:09.000 Twenty-nine trends, save for like four things.

00:21:14.000 First of all, it's all politics, except for Rosh Hashanah.

00:21:17.000 And then everything else is political.

00:21:19.000 Puerto Rico is, not related to the Supreme Court.

00:21:20.000 So it's like 27 of 30 trends are all the Supreme Court.

00:21:25.000 This is the most significant political development of the year, I'd say, right?

00:21:29.000 It has to be.

00:21:30.000 And think about how insane that is.

00:21:30.000 I'm saying that is of Trump's.

00:21:32.000 Yeah.

00:21:32.000 Think about how insane that is that this that that we up until 45 minutes ago, we

00:21:38.000 had not seen the most insane political story we're going to see this year.

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 That's funny to me because we were just kind of lamenting how crazy this year had

00:21:45.000 I was like, oh my gosh, this lockdown, this crazy stuff.

00:21:49.000 If I could go back in time and tell myself, you know, coronaviruses, it is what it is.

00:21:52.000 I mean, we had no idea.

00:21:55.000 The great triggering is upon us.

00:21:57.000 The no, no, no Twitter trend.

00:21:59.000 Three million people saying no, no, no.

00:22:01.000 And they're posting memes of like, you know, a guy wincing, wearing a Trump hat, like, oh, no, Trump's going to do it.

00:22:08.000 He's going to nominate somebody.

00:22:09.000 Of course he is.

00:22:10.000 But he has he has to.

00:22:11.000 And that's the thing, too, is I think if if it were more normal times, right, and potentially with a more normal president, I think what we would all be saying right, left, center is Oh God, we can't go into this election without a full Supreme Court.

00:22:11.000 He has.

00:22:25.000 We have to have an odd number of people to make whatever decisions come up.

00:22:29.000 We have 50 different state elections that could all potentially go to the Supreme Court.

00:22:32.000 We can't do that short-staffed.

00:22:34.000 We're worried the election will go to the Supreme Court.

00:22:37.000 Yeah.

00:22:37.000 Right?

00:22:38.000 We're worried that Atlanta went to the Supreme Court.

00:22:40.000 It could go to the House.

00:22:41.000 Okay, okay.

00:22:41.000 So there's a bunch of theories about how the election will go down.

00:22:44.000 I just have no idea.

00:22:45.000 And a lot of people think that it's going to end up in the courts with lawsuits about various elections and that will ultimately lead to the Supreme Court and we'll have to go fast because there's a deadline.

00:22:54.000 So at least according to one of the sources I was reading on Potentials, they say the deadline I think is like December 14th.

00:22:59.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:23:01.000 But that's when the electoral college votes have to be tallied.

00:23:05.000 And that's when they decide, you know, the Supreme Court will have to intervene or not.

00:23:11.000 So I imagine they will.

00:23:12.000 If we do not have a full court, and it could potentially go 4-4, then this country is going to face the worst crisis it's faced in 100 plus years.

00:23:22.000 And even if everything goes well, it could be a unanimous court and it would still be a crisis, right?

00:23:26.000 And I think one of the important things to keep in mind for the election is it really is 50 different simultaneous elections that go on simultaneously under their own different set of rules, right?

00:23:34.000 We're talking about Pennsylvania throwing out the signature verification.

00:23:38.000 So you have all of these different kind of minute factors of the law that are all legal challenges that could all get fast-tracked.

00:23:44.000 And so just the number of cases that could spin out, the amount of energy that would have to go into this is enormous.

00:23:49.000 What if we come out of election day, we're three or four days post, and we don't know because of mail-in irregularities or whatever it is, we don't know who won Florida, we don't know who won Pennsylvania, and I don't know, we don't know who won Wisconsin.

00:24:01.000 Could that be... So when we've talked about civil war, and I gotta preface this by saying I know there's a lot of people who are like, they roll their eyes when it's brought up.

00:24:10.000 But I'm not the one who first... I didn't come up with this idea.

00:24:13.000 I was reading a national security article from I think the Atlantic talking about the violence in the streets, the escalation of tensions following Donald Trump's victory, and the potential for civil war.

00:24:23.000 And this was several years ago.

00:24:24.000 They said that it looked like there was like a 35% chance we would go down that route.

00:24:29.000 A lot of people I talked to said there's no dividing line.

00:24:32.000 Like, the American Civil War was the North and the South.

00:24:34.000 We knew where people were.

00:24:35.000 And I said, but that's not a traditional civil war like we've seen with other countries around the world, where there's pockets that are in alignment and then they move around and then slowly try and take over one city, or where they just wage a war on the capital until they win control of the centralized government.

00:24:51.000 I wonder if that scenario you just brought up would be that state dividing line.

00:24:55.000 Because we have a lot of swing states that have... I shouldn't say a lot, but there's a couple where they have a Democratic governor, but a Republican legislature.

00:25:02.000 Right.

00:25:03.000 So I think Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and... No, no, not Michigan.

00:25:06.000 It's Michigan and Wisconsin, I think.

00:25:08.000 Yeah.

00:25:08.000 So I wonder what happens if there's these Democratic governors who will say something like, imagine this.

00:25:15.000 I keep seeing the left say, many progressives, that we need to make sure we have maximum voter turnout for Joe Biden.

00:25:22.000 The only problem is they all live in blue states.

00:25:24.000 They all live in deep blue states, and heavily concentrated in cities.

00:25:30.000 So, a lot of people did move because of COVID, but I don't think they moved that far.

00:25:36.000 They probably went to their parents' house in the suburbs or something like that.

00:25:39.000 If they all come out and vote, so what?

00:25:41.000 New York, which was already going to give its electoral votes, has a higher popular vote count.

00:25:46.000 So what?

00:25:47.000 However, what happens when Joe Biden loses the electoral college but wins the popular vote by 10 points?

00:25:54.000 Then you're gonna see these Democrat governors in the swing states be like, well, we did vote for, you know, Trump in our state, but the popular vote of the country is more, you know.

00:26:04.000 More important, because the swing is too high, you'll end up with some people saying, we know Trump won the Electoral College, but this is too big of a popular vote swing, we will not be ruled by a minority.

00:26:14.000 And then the Republicans and Trump are gonna say, these are the rules, and this is what we all agreed to, and then...

00:26:21.000 All of a sudden, you have some kind of civil war.

00:26:24.000 But I think, so two thoughts come to me.

00:26:25.000 The first is, I think the response from the left will be, yeah, well, we agreed to these rules hundreds of years ago when there was still slavery, right?

00:26:32.000 That's always the pushback on the Electoral College.

00:26:34.000 And there's a side of me that's like, okay, I get it.

00:26:36.000 We have a living, breathing constitutional document.

00:26:38.000 It's meant to change, all that kind of stuff.

00:26:39.000 But there's a lot of things you have to go through to change things in this country.

00:26:42.000 And I think, on the whole, that's probably for the best, Electoral College included.

00:26:46.000 But getting back to your Civil War model, I read something the other day that was really, really interesting that looked at it, that talked about it less as a traditional Civil War, even in the sense of two standing armies, even if it's not north-south, but like even look at a place like Libya, right?

00:26:59.000 That kind of devolves into a sort of Civil War, and a lot more like the Troubles in Ireland.

00:27:03.000 Right.

00:27:04.000 And so it could look a lot more like you have kind of pockets of sectarian violence where you have it's not even one city against another it's you got 60% of one city maybe that's loyal to a cause and 40% the other way and so you start having unfortunately what it ends up looking like is a lot like Portland with more people dead.

00:27:20.000 And live ammo. I remember I went to Northern Ireland.

00:27:25.000 What's the city in Northern Ireland?

00:27:29.000 Belfast.

00:27:29.000 Belfast. Yes, I was in Belfast.

00:27:31.000 And I went to the Peace Wall.

00:27:33.000 I skin crawled there.

00:27:34.000 You went to the Peace Wall?

00:27:35.000 So this is really important for everyone that's listening.

00:27:35.000 I did, yeah.

00:27:37.000 On one side of the Peace Wall, there was like pro-Israel stuff.

00:27:42.000 On the other side, there was pro-Palestine. 0.51

00:27:44.000 And I was confused by this.

00:27:45.000 And I asked one of the locals, what does this have to do with Ireland?

00:27:50.000 And he said, nothing.

00:27:52.000 It was literally tribalism.

00:27:54.000 If one side said one thing, the other side said the opposite.

00:27:57.000 We are seeing that.

00:27:59.000 Matt Taibbi called it... There's something akin to this that Matt Taibbi coined, the hydroxychloroquine effect.

00:28:05.000 Yes, right.

00:28:05.000 You read that article?

00:28:06.000 Yes.

00:28:06.000 Oh, I love it.

00:28:08.000 Right, right.

00:28:08.000 He's a liberal guy.

00:28:09.000 Yeah?

00:28:10.000 And he wrote basically that, you know, look, Trump sees these studies that were being performed in many different modernized nations.

00:28:16.000 Yeah.

00:28:16.000 He then goes up on the podium and starts, you know, saying, oh, this is really, really great.

00:28:19.000 I saw this thing.

00:28:19.000 We should try it out.

00:28:20.000 Yeah.

00:28:20.000 The media then ran as fast they could to write stories claiming it was bad and not to do it.

00:28:25.000 And he said, you're in a pandemic and you're discounting a potential treatment that other countries—that's ridiculous! 0.84

00:28:25.000 Right. 0.84

00:28:30.000 And right off the bat, two threads, I'll tell you, I actually have about the hydroxychloroquine effect.

00:28:35.000 And it's right.

00:28:36.000 I mean, there was nothing about it that was science.

00:28:38.000 And what ended up happening was all they had to do was cherry pick doctors who have a doctor before their name, throw them on CNN, and then they run the coverage of Trump.

00:28:46.000 And like, let's be honest, Trump is not a medical expert.

00:28:48.000 And so when he goes up there and talks about it, it's typical Trump speech, trying to explain something very complicated. 0.97

00:28:54.000 And then all of these doctors, who probably are sound and look a lot more articulate on the ways of medicine, get up there and say, no, he's crazy. 0.59

00:29:01.000 But they're cherry picking.

00:29:02.000 They're just finding guys who believe a certain thing that doesn't necessarily fit any of the evidence.

00:29:06.000 And there were some really bad doctors who came out in an agreement with Trump that made him look really bad.

00:29:13.000 However, you also had Dr. Harvey Risch, MD-PhD from Yale, saying the most important thing, whenever we talk about this too, because YouTube likes to strike down anybody who brings it up, is that it's not a cure.

00:29:13.000 Very good.

00:29:24.000 But this PhD MD from Yale was saying it does help, and we need to start looking into what we can do to help people, but it's not a cure for sure.

00:29:33.000 So anyway, I bring that up in context of Northern Ireland because there was like, I think, somebody in Northern Ireland claimed they were a lost tribe of Israel, and they were like literally Irish people.

00:29:43.000 Yeah.

00:29:43.000 Interesting.

00:29:44.000 This is what I was being told by some of the locals, that you'll look on one side and it's the revolution fist, it's pro-communist, it's pro-left, the other side was pro-right-wing, pro-empire, pro-imperialism, and it was literally just your side bad, our side good.

00:29:57.000 Interesting.

00:29:58.000 And I think that's where we are.

00:30:00.000 Here's what I actually think when it comes to the U.S.

00:30:05.000 and the conflict we've seen from the left and the right.

00:30:07.000 The right has become a big tent of people who are rational and reasonable and willing to have a conversation and don't just believe that whatever one person says, we must say the other thing.

00:30:18.000 But if you look, like, when I look at Trump, I say there's a lot of things I can easily criticize, there's a lot of things I think that are good, you know, hey, it is what it is.

00:30:24.000 The left just says literally everything he does is bad.

00:30:27.000 The peace agreements, oh, they're actually bad, they undermine Palestine, how dare he? 0.89

00:30:30.000 It looks like we're headed in that similar direction to what divided, at least what I saw from, you know, look, it's not like I have a history degree in Northern Ireland or anything.

00:30:38.000 Fair.

00:30:39.000 And I think one of the big things within that, too, is you end up with a situation where it's not just that one side has decided that whatever the other side is doing is bad.

00:30:48.000 You have one side who's in power, Donald Trump, and you have the other side who's controlling the narrative and the media.

00:30:52.000 And so if they're going to sit back and say, whatever the government of the United States does is bad, in a way that can only be described as propaganda, then of course you're going to inflame tensions, of course you're going to piss people off, and at the end of the day, anyone who agrees with Trump is going to sit back and say, why am I being lied to?

00:31:08.000 So what do you think happens when Trump then selects his Supreme Court nominee?

00:31:13.000 The media is going to magically create every, every possible, you name it.

00:31:19.000 They're going to accuse this person of murder.

00:31:21.000 They're going to be like, they kidnapped a puppy and threw it off a bridge.

00:31:25.000 It's going to be insanity.

00:31:26.000 Yep.

00:31:27.000 But this is why I think Trump has to pick Amy Coney Barrett. 0.59

00:31:30.000 Correct.

00:31:31.000 If they choose a man, it's going to be me too.

00:31:33.000 It's going to be white.

00:31:34.000 Kavanaugh.

00:31:35.000 Right, Kavanaugh all over again.

00:31:36.000 Times a thousand.

00:31:37.000 Yeah, times a thousand.

00:31:38.000 Times a thousand and with a thousand times the energy behind it to dig up anything that could be wrong or unsavory or whatever it is.

00:31:44.000 No, no, they're going to make it up.

00:31:45.000 And that's the thing, when all else fails, you know that they will.

00:31:48.000 So what can they make up?

00:31:49.000 So here's what I've got pulled up.

00:31:50.000 I got Wikipedia pulled up of Amy Coney Barrett, and there's really important context here.

00:31:55.000 They say, Amy Coney Barrett is a United States Circuit judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit.

00:32:02.000 Barrett is the first and only woman to occupy an Indiana seat on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. 0.94

00:32:08.000 Described as an originalist and textualist, Barrett's judicial philosophy has been likened to that of her late mentor and former boss, Justice Antonin Scalia.

00:32:18.000 Barrett's scholarship focused on originalism, statutory interpretation, and I can't pronounce that.

00:32:23.000 Stare... Stare decisis.

00:32:24.000 Stare decisis.

00:32:25.000 Let the decision stand.

00:32:26.000 Interesting.

00:32:28.000 So what does that mean?

00:32:29.000 Like you don't repeal or reverse other standings?

00:32:31.000 Right.

00:32:31.000 It's that you tend to side with settled case law or previous court decisions.

00:32:36.000 So the question I guess I would ask, if that's true, do you think she wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade?

00:32:40.000 Or would she?

00:32:41.000 It's interesting.

00:32:42.000 She was asked about this.

00:32:44.000 I don't know if it's a confirmation hearing or what, but she's been asked throughout the years whether or not she believes in Roe v. Wade, whether or not it's settled law.

00:32:50.000 I think she probably doesn't.

00:32:53.000 You think she won't reverse it?

00:32:55.000 I don't think she will reverse Roe v. Wade.

00:32:56.000 To be honest with you, I get what Tom Cotton's saying, and Tom Cotton's an elected official, so I think it's a lot easier for him to say that it needs to be overturned.

00:33:03.000 I think it would be enormously difficult.

00:33:05.000 I think you would probably need a couple more conservative justices to actually overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:33:08.000 I just don't buy it.

00:33:09.000 It's something that the conservative movement has fought for for a long time and done a

00:33:14.000 really good job of fighting for.

00:33:15.000 And I think it's animated the conservative movement for a really long time, but I don't

00:33:17.000 think it changes.

00:33:18.000 But to answer your earlier question, I think I have a pretty good idea of what's going

00:33:21.000 to come out about Coney Barrett.

00:33:22.000 Oh yeah?

00:33:23.000 I think I know.

00:33:24.000 So she's Catholic.

00:33:25.000 She teaches at Notre Dame.

00:33:26.000 And they're going to paint her, and they did this the last time I think she was confirmed,

00:33:29.000 they're going to paint her as a religious zealot. 1.00

00:33:31.000 They're gonna, I think she, it might have been her, it might have been someone I'm confusing her with, but she has membership in different Catholic organizations.

00:33:39.000 I think Opus Di, maybe a couple of the others.

00:33:40.000 You'll remember Opus Di if you've seen The Da Vinci Code.

00:33:43.000 That's not actually Opus Di, they just used her name.

00:33:45.000 So she's not like hiding secret paintings?

00:33:47.000 No, exactly, exactly.

00:33:48.000 That'd be cool, though.

00:33:49.000 It would be cool if it was the case, but no.

00:33:51.000 To the best of my knowledge, she doesn't have any interesting secrets, doesn't drink the blood from the skull of St.

00:33:55.000 Peter or anything like that, but she's a conservative Catholic woman.

00:33:59.000 Pro-gun.

00:34:00.000 Yeah.

00:34:01.000 But also deeply, not fundamentalist, but fundamentally is in her bearing and in her being religious.

00:34:09.000 That's what it's gonna be.

00:34:10.000 It's gonna be a culture war about religion. 0.70

00:34:11.000 So I can see it already because Dianne Feinstein, this is the lady to whom she was saying the dogma lives loudly.

00:34:16.000 This is dogma lives loudly, thank you, you're right.

00:34:18.000 I was like, yeah, okay, I remember this now.

00:34:20.000 This is dogma lives loudly.

00:34:21.000 I can preview it through the Kavanaugh thing.

00:34:24.000 I'm not going to go through her entire wiki that points out several interesting things.

00:34:28.000 But I will note that right away they say she's a rankly dissent in favor of gun ownership rights, but also Fourth Amendment.

00:34:35.000 Interestingly, the first thing they bring up is Barrett wrote the opinion in a case denying summary judgment and qualified immunity to a police detective who knowingly provided false and misleading information in an affidavit.

00:34:44.000 Interesting.

00:34:45.000 The plaintiff, Reinsberger, was arrested for his own mother's murder based upon the defendant's falsified records used to secure a warrant for the plaintiff's arrest.

00:34:53.000 The court found the defendant's lies and omissions were material to probably cause a clear violation of the plaintiff's Fourth Amendment rights, to which the defendant is not eligible for qualified immunity.

00:35:04.000 So, legally is a little bit there, but she actually was against qualified immunity for a cop?

00:35:10.000 Is that what it says?

00:35:12.000 So if I'm reading it right, it's that.

00:35:12.000 Sort of.

00:35:14.000 You have a lot of courts who have a pretty expansive interpretation of what qualified immunity is and what it means, and so if I'm reading that correctly—again, I don't have a law degree, so I don't want to mislead any of your viewers—but my understanding is that she struck down qualified immunity because of a direct violation of enunciated protection that's in the Constitution, which not all courts do, right?

00:35:35.000 I think, unfortunately, it's with— Can you give quick context on qualified immunity?

00:35:40.000 Qualified immunity is, for certain people in most cases, it comes up around police officers, is that because of the responsibilities of their job or something that they do, it's a higher burden of proof to be able to hold them legally accountable.

00:35:52.000 And so if you get killed by a police officer, it is very, very difficult for your family to then go and sue the government and sue the police bureau.

00:35:59.000 So this is something a lot of left-wing activists have been adamant about.

00:36:03.000 They want police to lose qualified immunity so that they get treated like regular people, essentially.

00:36:07.000 Yes, right.

00:36:08.000 So I guess that might be favorable for her?

00:36:12.000 It's not like it's going to matter, though.

00:36:13.000 She's a conservative.

00:36:14.000 That's a good point.

00:36:14.000 Yeah, they'll hate her anyway.

00:36:15.000 That point, I think, is good for the libertarians.

00:36:17.000 That's been a big—that's like Reason, I'm sure, has a podcast on qualified immunity or whatever it is, right?

00:36:23.000 That's one of their big sticking points.

00:36:26.000 I think there's probably enough there on the rest of the wiki for why Comey Barrett is not going to be someone who's embraced with open arms by any RPG fans.

00:36:34.000 Right away the 2A gun ownership rights stuff, of course.

00:36:37.000 If she's an originalist and textualist, I mean... It's interesting.

00:36:42.000 She's an originalist and textualist, but she's not going to reverse previous rulings.

00:36:47.000 Is that what...

00:36:49.000 Stare decisis, I think, is... Yeah, stare decisis.

00:36:51.000 So it's interesting.

00:36:52.000 I think the two are somewhat in tension, right?

00:36:53.000 You've got something... So stare decisis is, yes, you're not overturning previous court decisions.

00:36:57.000 I think there is a long legal tradition among originalists to say that you don't want to... The whole point of originalism, particularly as a political manifestation, is we shouldn't be legislating from the bench.

00:37:08.000 We shouldn't be making laws and making rules and changing things based on the judicial philosophy of individual courts.

00:37:14.000 That's kind of the crux and the heart of it.

00:37:16.000 But what I think a lot of originalists and textualists will do is they'll say, that doesn't mean that we can't look at cases that were wrongly decided and go back and say, this was wrong and we need to change it rather than we're looking at all the same facts and figures and it comes out differently.

00:37:30.000 So yeah, I think that's about where it nets out.

00:37:34.000 There is a section for possible Supreme Court nomination.

00:37:38.000 And they say Barrett had been included on President Donald Trump's list of potential Supreme Court nominees since 2017, almost immediately after her Court of Appeals confirmation.

00:37:46.000 That's, wow, almost immediately after.

00:37:47.000 Yeah.

00:37:48.000 She's young.

00:37:49.000 Yeah, she's 40, 47 I think?

00:37:50.000 Yeah.

00:37:51.000 46, 47.

00:37:52.000 In July 2018, following the retirement announcement of Anthony Kennedy, she was reportedly one of three finalists and the only woman to be considered by Trump as a possible successor to Kennedy.

00:38:01.000 Trump nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh for the position.

00:38:04.000 Reportedly, although the president liked Barrett, he was concerned about her lack of experience on the bench.

00:38:09.000 At the time, Barrett had been on the bench for less than a year.

00:38:12.000 After Kavanaugh's selection, Barrett was expected to stay in the spotlight as a possible nominee for a future Supreme Court vacancy.

00:38:17.000 Trump is reportedly saving Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat for Amy Coney Barrett if Ginsburg retires or dies during the Trump presidency.

00:38:26.000 And there it is.

00:38:27.000 That's what everyone is expecting to happen, and now she's got the experience on the bench.

00:38:31.000 She's got a little more time on the bench.

00:38:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:32.000 Also, interesting.

00:38:33.000 Someone should fact check me on this, but I think this is accurate.

00:38:35.000 I think she would also be the first individual on the Supreme Court who doesn't have a law degree from an Ivy League school.

00:38:43.000 Really?

00:38:44.000 I think it's almost always Yale and Harvard.

00:38:47.000 She went to Notre Dame.

00:38:48.000 Again, I could be wrong on this, or it could be undergraduate rather than graduate.

00:38:51.000 But do they University of Notre Dame?

00:38:54.000 Yeah, so I'm I think I think she would be the first one with a law degree not from an Ivy League school who would be on the Supreme Court. 0.98

00:39:02.000 Wow, man.

00:39:03.000 I don't know that that really gets you any blue-collar voters.

00:39:05.000 I mean, yeah, I think that's that's probably like how many angels can dance on the head of the pin in terms of the things that yeah, it's a little too in the weeds, but nerdy people like me in DC.

00:39:13.000 I think probably like that stuff.

00:39:14.000 So what's the immediate reaction now for conservatives?

00:39:19.000 When you see an Obama victory, they all run out and buy guns.

00:39:23.000 Well, Trump hasn't picked anybody yet, so everyone's going to be having knots in their stomachs.

00:39:30.000 What do you think Trump's going to do?

00:39:30.000 I don't know.

00:39:31.000 I mean, I think, you know, we were talking about before, I think what Trump is going to do is he's going to rush to get someone on the bench.

00:39:36.000 And if it, again, under more normal times, he would, everyone and their mother would be saying, you know what?

00:39:36.000 Yeah.

00:39:42.000 I don't like Trump.

00:39:43.000 I don't like his, I don't like who he's going to nominate for this, but it makes sense.

00:39:46.000 We're, we're, we're heading towards the rocks and we need to have enough people in the Supreme Court to be able to make whatever decision comes up.

00:39:53.000 But we're not.

00:39:55.000 At the end of Obama's last term, who was it?

00:39:59.000 Who was it?

00:40:00.000 Who was the Supreme Court?

00:40:01.000 Man, I can't forget the guy's name.

00:40:03.000 They wouldn't confirm him.

00:40:04.000 He sat waiting.

00:40:05.000 Oh, Gorsuch.

00:40:06.000 Not Gorsuch.

00:40:07.000 I was going to say... I'd like to see him.

00:40:07.000 Right.

00:40:08.000 Oh, I can almost remember his name.

00:40:10.000 I feel bad for the guy.

00:40:12.000 Well, he didn't get chosen.

00:40:14.000 Merrick Garland.

00:40:16.000 Right, so Mitch McConnell.

00:40:19.000 He said no.

00:40:20.000 He's like, we're not going to confirm him because, what did he say?

00:40:23.000 We're like, we're in the last year and there is a divided Senate versus the presidency.

00:40:28.000 And so if there's a divide, then we shouldn't confirm this person.

00:40:31.000 Let the people decide with the presidential election.

00:40:34.000 I personally disagree with that.

00:40:36.000 And I'm almost willing to bet that now Mitch McConnell does.

00:40:40.000 Well, actually, no, no, no.

00:40:41.000 It's right now Republican Senate, Republican president.

00:40:43.000 We're not divided.

00:40:44.000 And this will be a huge talking point of the left, right?

00:40:46.000 I think people misconstrue the McConnell rule as Whenever there is a vacancy that comes up on a Supreme Court that we have to wait.

00:40:53.000 If there's any presidential election coming up, you have to wait until that's over.

00:40:57.000 What McConnell was saying is, hey, there are two components of our government who are in charge of having any say in the decision when it comes to a new Supreme Court justice.

00:41:05.000 It's the President and it's the Senate. 0.68

00:41:07.000 Right now, we're not unified.

00:41:09.000 Right, I see what you're saying.

00:41:10.000 So the President will choose someone, the Senate will confirm the person.

00:41:13.000 Right.

00:41:14.000 I actually totally disagree with that.

00:41:17.000 Okay.

00:41:17.000 You know, in the sense that, like, if the President chooses someone and the Senate disagrees and then doesn't confirm them, that makes sense.

00:41:22.000 The Senate's supposed to be a check on the President, right?

00:41:25.000 Yeah.

00:41:25.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:41:27.000 Yeah, so if the idea then is, well, we've got a Democrat Senate, or we've got a Republican Senate and a Democrat President, so we just won't confirm it, I mean, to be honest, that's what would just happen.

00:41:37.000 Wouldn't they just vote it down?

00:41:39.000 Probably.

00:41:40.000 But I think one of the things particularly that we've seen, at least up until Bork, right, so for a really, really long time, there's this expectation for members of the Supreme Court, I think kind of anecdotally, socially, whatever, That if a president is going to nominate someone to the highest bench in the land, they have to be someone who the entire Senate will agree with.

00:41:58.000 You're going to have overwhelming support for this person.

00:42:01.000 They should be relatively moderate on the issues.

00:42:03.000 They should be likable, whatever.

00:42:04.000 And then Bork came in, and that's the getting Borked, right?

00:42:08.000 That's where all that comes from, where they didn't get a fair hearing.

00:42:11.000 So there's a nominee who doesn't get a fair hearing, and they're like, okay, it became political, right?

00:42:16.000 And everyone was tearing their hair out because, oh no, the Supreme Court has now become political.

00:42:20.000 Yeah.

00:42:21.000 And I think you've seen that on steroids recently.

00:42:23.000 And now we're going to have it times an infinity.

00:42:28.000 Dude, I think civil war is not out of the question.

00:42:33.000 But I think what people don't realize is that we're in a new generation of conflict.

00:42:37.000 Yeah.

00:42:37.000 Propaganda's huge.

00:42:38.000 Information war.

00:42:40.000 The left controls cultural institutions.

00:42:41.000 They try to pretend that they're powerless because they don't control the government.

00:42:44.000 But Trump only has... Well, the Supreme Court is conservative, especially with Ruth Bader Ginsburg's passing.

00:42:49.000 He got the Senate, you've got the Presidency obviously, the House is in control of the Democrats, but they also control the colleges, the youth institutions, the celebrities, the video games, the movies.

00:43:00.000 They control the cultural institutions and politics comes second.

00:43:04.000 Was it Breitbart who said politics is downstream from culture?

00:43:09.000 So if they're, you know, I was talking to somebody about how the NFL and the NBA are all Black Lives Matter right now.

00:43:15.000 Right.

00:43:16.000 And I, you know, I was saying, like, I think it's because the Democrats are trying to force politics to wake, like, shock people so they go vote because they desperately need voter turnout to beat Trump.

00:43:26.000 Because Trump's likely going to win and they probably know it.

00:43:29.000 I think Biden's seen his internal polling and that's why he panicked on the riots.

00:43:32.000 That's why he's run out.

00:43:33.000 That's why all of these hit pieces drop.

00:43:36.000 You know where they say Trump called soldiers losers? 0.85

00:43:38.000 Yeah.

00:43:38.000 It's like, listen man, Trump's a lot of things, but that one was so insanely over the top.

00:43:43.000 Yeah.

00:43:43.000 Like, come on, man.

00:43:44.000 To quote Joe Biden.

00:43:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:46.000 And if it wasn't true, like, who's gonna come out and speak on the record, right?

00:43:49.000 We had 21 people who lined up to say it doesn't make any sense, that they were there and it didn't happen.

00:43:53.000 Exactly.

00:43:53.000 Like, I'm sorry, if you can't get John Bolton to confirm something bad that Donald Trump did, I don't buy it.

00:44:00.000 I don't believe it happened.

00:44:01.000 You're not going to sway me.

00:44:03.000 So just so everybody knows, John Bolton hates Trump.

00:44:06.000 Trump should not have hired the guy.

00:44:07.000 And he wrote a whole book ragging on Trump.

00:44:09.000 And when he got asked, he was like, I don't recall that ever happening.

00:44:12.000 No, that's not true.

00:44:13.000 You know, the story was basically that they were going to go honor the World War I fallen. 1.00

00:44:18.000 And Trump said he didn't want to go because they're all losers and suckers. 0.97

00:44:21.000 But when actually it was a Navy pilot, like I said, the visibility was too low and the ceiling was too low for the helicopter. 0.99

00:44:26.000 It was not safe.

00:44:26.000 We couldn't do it.

00:44:28.000 So they decided not to do it and Trump said sure whatever yeah They turned it into the story where it was actually Trump saying the soldiers are losers, and that's that's so comic book villain esque It's like it's almost the way I described it before is like a 15 year old kid was writing anti-trump fanfiction And then the evil Trump said the soldiers are done Like dude come on.

00:44:48.000 He's the president.

00:44:49.000 It's just it's so it's so out there.

00:44:51.000 Yeah, but with You know, the level of conflict we saw with Kavanaugh, the level of conflict we see every day with, like, we liken to Northern Ireland.

00:45:00.000 Yeah.

00:45:02.000 Oh, man.

00:45:03.000 And that's the thing, too. 1.00

00:45:03.000 Don't forget, Kavanaugh was insane. 1.00

00:45:05.000 And it was during a period of time before the coronavirus crisis had started. 0.77

00:45:10.000 It was before you had the sort of, you didn't have the riots anywhere.

00:45:14.000 You're right.

00:45:15.000 Like, things were, it's insane to say this, but when the Kavanaugh appointment came through, things were a lot calmer than they are now.

00:45:21.000 It was chill!

00:45:21.000 Everywhere!

00:45:22.000 Dude, earlier this year, we actually did on this show a segment talking about Sonic the Hedgehog.

00:45:28.000 No way.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, the movie came out.

00:45:29.000 It was great.

00:45:30.000 We had a good time.

00:45:31.000 We all high-fived.

00:45:31.000 We're like, yo, Sonic the Hedgehog, how fun is that?

00:45:33.000 And then the world exploded.

00:45:34.000 Yeah.

00:45:35.000 Pandemics swept through the country. 1.00

00:45:36.000 Everything was shut down.

00:45:37.000 The economy's tanking.

00:45:38.000 Riots erupt.

00:45:40.000 I don't want to call them race riots, but they were racialized riots.

00:45:43.000 Better way to put it.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:45:45.000 People are burning things down.

00:45:46.000 A lot of them were white people claiming, you know, and there were a lot of black people who were angry at them for doing it.

00:45:50.000 And it went on for 100 plus days.

00:45:53.000 Then everything slowed down and then mass wildfires hit.

00:45:56.000 Yep.

00:45:56.000 Then several hurricanes hit.

00:45:57.000 Yep.

00:45:58.000 And now Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died.

00:46:00.000 And again, we're not even to the election.

00:46:02.000 We're not even to episode 11 of the 2020 season.

00:46:06.000 Oh my gosh.

00:46:08.000 If this hadn't happened, if there wasn't a pandemic sweeping the globe, if Ruth Bader Ginsburg were still alive, if there weren't wildfires, 2020 would be horrible.

00:46:16.000 Yes.

00:46:16.000 Everything about the 2020 election would be bad, and now it is going to be monstrously worse as a result of every single thing that has happened.

00:46:24.000 Well, so this is a really good chance to actually jump into one of the original stories we were going to talk about.

00:46:30.000 So before we got started, we were like, oh, here's a really interesting story.

00:46:33.000 This actress from the Orange County show used to be on Fox, I think, has come out.

00:46:37.000 She says she's an independent voter, but she's voting for Trump.

00:46:40.000 This is significant, especially in the context of potential conflict we see arising out of, man, we just described apocalyptic scenarios.

00:46:49.000 And just to reiterate real quickly, when all the chaos erupted around Brett Kavanaugh, Everything was kind of chill.

00:46:56.000 Sure, you had the negative news cycle, you know, there was the Trump derangement hate and all that stuff, but not mass riots, not pandemic.

00:47:02.000 Now we're gonna get Brett Kavanaugh times a thousand plus mass riots, pandemic, wildfires, and all that stuff.

00:47:09.000 So there's a real potential for conflict, but there is, you know, I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who told me there's no way Trump will win because he's only lost his supporters.

00:47:18.000 And I said, what have you been reading?

00:47:21.000 My goodness.

00:47:22.000 No, for real.

00:47:23.000 And I was like, listen, all day, every day for 16 hours, I'm just reading news.

00:47:27.000 I'm just reading news.

00:47:28.000 I'm talking to various people, various guests, various friends.

00:47:30.000 And I have not seen anything to support what you're saying.

00:47:33.000 And she told me, didn't you watch the DNC?

00:47:35.000 Those people who are like, I voted for Trump and now I'm switching.

00:47:38.000 And I was like, haven't you been on Twitter?

00:47:40.000 Yeah.

00:47:41.000 There's a hashtag walk away.

00:47:43.000 There's Axios.

00:47:44.000 Axios reported.

00:47:46.000 That Republicans are closing the gap in new voter registrations in battleground states because Democrats are switching parties, not because they're registering new voters.

00:47:55.000 Democrats are switching or abandoning the Democratic Party, going independent.

00:47:59.000 Interesting.

00:48:00.000 Very interesting.

00:48:00.000 So then we see a story like this.

00:48:02.000 This is OC actress Samir Armstrong voices support for Trump, says far-left mob has silenced Americans.

00:48:09.000 Quote, I'm voting Trump 2020, she declares online.

00:48:11.000 This is brave.

00:48:13.000 She's an actress. 1.00

00:48:14.000 She could lose her career in Hollywood saying something like this.

00:48:18.000 But I think we're reaching the point where... I don't know if you saw the Cato Institute study on political opinion.

00:48:23.000 62% of people... Yes, this is the one about people not feeling comfortable sharing their opinions, right?

00:48:27.000 Unless you're on the far left.

00:48:29.000 Exactly.

00:48:30.000 I was going to say, whenever I think about polling, the first thing that comes to my mind is, if people aren't comfortable telling their friends and family who they're voting for, what their political status is, if they're hiding it that closely, you really think they're going to tell a random pollster?

00:48:48.000 No way.

00:48:48.000 Even if they've made up their mind?

00:48:50.000 When I think about the people who are going to say, maybe they hold their nose or whatever, but they go and vote for him, it's those people.

00:48:57.000 I have plenty of friends in the DC area who are like, dude, I work at a think tank.

00:49:00.000 I'm not allowed to be a conservative.

00:49:01.000 Are you kidding me?

00:49:02.000 Like that doesn't fly here.

00:49:03.000 Like, and it's, it's, it's funny.

00:49:05.000 Cause I talk about how it's almost, it's a popularly understood setting where like, obviously no one's conservative, right?

00:49:11.000 No one even worries that they might offend someone who's conservative because the expectation.

00:49:15.000 So I have, I have people at restaurants do this.

00:49:17.000 I'll have servers make comments or bartenders or whatever. 0.99

00:49:19.000 And that's the expectation.

00:49:21.000 Dude, I went to the dentist.

00:49:24.000 This is totally true.

00:49:26.000 It has to be.

00:49:28.000 We took last night off because I had to get a permanent crown put in.

00:49:30.000 And I tell you, man, they were like... Back already?

00:49:33.000 Not even a DL stint or anything?

00:49:34.000 It's like 20 minutes.

00:49:35.000 It's really interesting because they do all the crazy stuff early.

00:49:38.000 But the dude was like, we don't normally, you know, use Novocaine when we're doing a permanent crown.

00:49:43.000 I got to tell you, man, if you ever have had a sensitive tooth with cold water on it, imagine that being held on it for 30 seconds.

00:49:51.000 But anyway, that's a fun story, huh?

00:49:55.000 But I tell it for a reason, because the people who were there were like, I've been a lifelong Democrat, I'm voting for Trump.

00:50:02.000 And I'm sitting there going, they're talking above me, like working on my tooth.

00:50:07.000 And they're saying things like, the district we're in right now I think is Democrat plus 8 according to the Cook Political Report or whatever.

00:50:14.000 So it's a Democrat congressman, this is supposed to be a Democrat area, and I'm sitting here talking to this woman and she says that she's been a lifelong Democrat, she doesn't vote Republican, but she is so fed up, the Democrats are so cutthroat, she's sick of the media lies, and they won't shut up, and she's just done with it.

00:50:32.000 And I said, but do you think that people in our area, like we're in a Democrat area, and she's like, oh yeah, these people are so fed up.

00:50:39.000 I believe it.

00:50:40.000 And then the dentist walks in and without skipping a beat he's just like, man, I'll

00:50:42.000 tell you I was watching this one video on YouTube and I was like, wow, man.

00:50:48.000 It's anecdotal.

00:50:49.000 It is.

00:50:50.000 But here's the thing, and I think it grinds my gears a lot in D.C. because I think that

00:50:54.000 there's this mentality that all of the, every Democrat I know who talks about the Republicans

00:50:59.000 who can't vote for Trump, what they imagine in their mind's eye is like they're brunch

00:51:04.000 It's their 28-year-old friend who they go to brunch with, who shows up in, like, khakis and a button-down, and is like, I'm so sick of this.

00:51:11.000 Can you believe the trade deals?

00:51:12.000 I can't stand this, right?

00:51:13.000 It's like some kid who's, like, an intern at Cato, right?

00:51:16.000 Those are the types of people who are very visible to a lot of people in media and a lot of people on the left side of the aisle who are vocally, at least in their universe, these are the staunch Republicans.

00:51:25.000 They had a Reagan-Bush shirt.

00:51:26.000 I can't believe that they're going to go and vote for Biden.

00:51:29.000 And the thing that they're not seeing is the far more common other switch, which is a middle-aged person out in the suburbs or in the exurbs or whatever it is saying, you know what?

00:51:36.000 I'm sick of this.

00:51:37.000 I can't take it anymore.

00:51:39.000 I'm sick of it.

00:51:40.000 How bad can this Trump guy be?

00:51:42.000 We're four years in now.

00:51:43.000 The sky still hasn't fallen.

00:51:44.000 Whatever.

00:51:45.000 You're going to see so much more of that.

00:51:48.000 At the beginning of this year, when we were setting up this show, I had to buy all this fancy, beautiful furniture you see before you.

00:51:52.000 It's fantastic.

00:51:53.000 And I went to the furniture shop.

00:51:54.000 And the lady who was there, we were just talking, and she asked me, like, wow, you're buying a ton of stuff.

00:51:58.000 She was really excited.

00:51:59.000 It's commission-based.

00:52:00.000 No, no, but this is important.

00:52:02.000 Because I said, look, it's been a really, really great year for me.

00:52:04.000 And she goes, me too.

00:52:06.000 And I was like, really?

00:52:07.000 I was like, I'm launching a new show, and I do politics.

00:52:09.000 And she was like, this has been the best year of my life for making money.

00:52:13.000 And I'm like, selling furniture.

00:52:14.000 And she's like, you know it.

00:52:15.000 I had a contractor come out to do groundwork.

00:52:18.000 We built a skate park.

00:52:19.000 Basically, they just laid concrete.

00:52:20.000 I mean, it's been a great year.

00:52:21.000 We're working on a bunch of new shows.

00:52:23.000 And I had one of these guys say that he was going to vote for Trump because he was sick and tired of the media.

00:52:29.000 That was it.

00:52:30.000 And I was like, is there anything Trump?

00:52:32.000 I don't know, man.

00:52:32.000 All I know is like, man, leave this guy alone.

00:52:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:36.000 This was a younger dude who was probably like in his mid to late 20s.

00:52:39.000 His whole mentality was like watching someone getting beaten up all day every

00:52:43.000 day and finally being like, dude, enough.

00:52:46.000 Yeah.

00:52:46.000 Exactly.

00:52:46.000 Stop.

00:52:47.000 He's already down and now he's going to support Trump simply because they would

00:52:51.000 not stop.

00:52:52.000 Yeah.

00:52:53.000 Right.

00:52:53.000 I feel like, you know, I've talked to a lot of people and I see all these hit

00:52:57.000 pieces coming out. 0.99

00:52:58.000 Trump says soldiers are losers. 1.00

00:52:59.000 Trump abused this woman. 0.99

00:53:01.000 Trump said this about this Bob Woodward. 0.70

00:53:03.000 And I'm like, do you think at this point repeatedly smacking the American people

00:53:07.000 over the face, screaming orange man bad while shaking them will change will make 0.58

00:53:10.000 them finally realize that you can't vote for Trump.

00:53:14.000 60 Minutes.

00:53:15.000 They did Bob Woodward and Scott Pelley.

00:53:17.000 Two journalists interviewing each other about how the orange man is bad.

00:53:22.000 And I was like, this is what we finally needed.

00:53:24.000 The American people just needed to hear a journalist interview a journalist about how Trump is bad.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:31.000 I think part of it is there's a lot of journalists and a lot of people who spend too much time in D.C.

00:53:35.000 and they look around and they see people like Nancy Pelosi and they're like, oh, she's one of the good ones.

00:53:40.000 And what's lost on them is the overwhelming majority of Americans outside of the Beltway and outside of the Acela Quarter look at all of them and they're like, throw the whole bunch out! 0.96

00:53:49.000 They're all rotten. 0.97

00:53:49.000 I can't stand any of them. 0.97

00:53:51.000 And so they come off already sympathetic to someone like Donald Trump, who is a rock through the window, who says, you know what?

00:53:57.000 You don't like these guys.

00:53:58.000 I don't like these guys.

00:53:59.000 They haven't done anything for you.

00:54:00.000 And as long as you can remember, we got to get rid of them.

00:54:02.000 This is the way I describe it.

00:54:04.000 It's the ivory tower.

00:54:05.000 And a bunch of people brought a bowl to the front door.

00:54:08.000 And up in the top was Hillary Clinton and the Democrats looking down, laughing and scoffing, sipping their wine.

00:54:13.000 And then the right-wing populists let go of the ropes and the bull went, boom, right through the door. 0.76

00:54:18.000 And they've been screaming for years as the bull rampages around.

00:54:22.000 But for the people down below, Everything's getting better. Yeah, and so they're like let

00:54:26.000 the way I describe it to like my progressive friends I'm like listen man

00:54:29.000 They out that friend I was talking to you about who was telling me that they didn't think Trump could win they hate

00:54:34.000 Joe Biden This my friend she hates Joe Biden. Okay. She was saying

00:54:37.000 Joe Biden's awful. They're corporate Democrats. They don't care

00:54:40.000 They're saying whatever they think people want to hear and I said let Trump

00:54:44.000 clear out the ivory tower Don't let the establishment back in, because they will lock the doors up, double barricade them, and you will never have another chance.

00:54:54.000 Trump is rampaging around, and they're panicked, freaking out, falling apart.

00:54:58.000 Joe Biden is crumbling, and they're losing control.

00:55:02.000 Trump does four more years, and there will be no more democratic establishment.

00:55:06.000 There will just be the progressive populists and the right-wing populists, and then they won't be standing in your way.

00:55:12.000 That's how I feel.

00:55:13.000 Yeah, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of a progressive activist, too.

00:55:16.000 That's the other thing that's not lost on the progressives.

00:55:20.000 Don't get me wrong, I think a lot's lost on them, but one of the things that's not lost on them is that they're kind of corporatist overlords in Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and people who've been in Washington for 40 years.

00:55:29.000 They don't actually care, right?

00:55:31.000 They're really good at acting like they care.

00:55:33.000 Joe Biden, I think, is someone who's really, really good at Expressing real like oh fine like I won't assume malice here like I think he's really good at showing individual empathy But I think it's really really hard to look at his voting record and say yeah You know what this guy cares and has been fighting for everyday Americans And I don't know who's been kicking around Washington as long as he has Who you can genuinely look at and say you know what that person has done since day one They've done the hard things they fought the fights They've fought the unpleasant ones other than to be clear Bernie Sanders who I can't stand what it's what he's done He's done it

00:56:02.000 So the reason why I want to bring up the story from the OC actress is because I watched the video, and I don't know if they pull up the exact quote, but one of the most interesting things she says, if you think that, you know, she basically said, you've got Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, who have been in politics for decades.

00:56:20.000 They created the systemic racism you're complaining about.

00:56:23.000 You can't vote for them and let them stay.

00:56:26.000 You're part of the problem.

00:56:27.000 And that's how I feel about, particularly Kamala Harris.

00:56:32.000 Joe Biden, come on, 47 years, the crime bill, he did a bunch of really bad things, he's been criticized for by a lot of people.

00:56:37.000 Including Kamala Harris.

00:56:38.000 Including Kamala Harris, and it's shocking to me that you have progressives that hate Trump more. 0.98

00:56:45.000 But they're like, Trump's a fascist, it's the end of the world! 0.83

00:56:46.000 I'm like, the corporate establishment types are telling you that because they don't want Trump to win.

00:56:51.000 Trump is a lot of things, Trump is not a fascist, and Trump, in my opinion, I've often said, if you took a person identical to Trump, and cleaned up the act, they'd win a landslide.

00:57:02.000 Absolutely.

00:57:03.000 If you took away all of the things that made him Donald Trump, the reality TV show star, right?

00:57:12.000 The Billy Bush video, the marriages, the divorces, the comments about women, the interview.

00:57:17.000 If you take him being the type of chummy guy who can go on Howard Stern and say some really vile, awful things and put a little bit of makeup on it, you're right!

00:57:25.000 You're right!

00:57:25.000 I mean, he would run away.

00:57:26.000 It wouldn't be close because there wouldn't be anyone.

00:57:28.000 And I'm like, here, I'm not going to lie to anybody.

00:57:31.000 I was a very never-Trump guy in 2016 for mostly all of those reasons, right?

00:57:35.000 I wanted someone with dignity and character and Christian values and respect and whatever.

00:57:40.000 And whatever you think of Donald Trump, he's not those things.

00:57:42.000 No.

00:57:43.000 And if you could just kind of like take those little pieces and just stick them in here and stick them in there, you're right.

00:57:49.000 It would be like Reagan.

00:57:50.000 But compare him to Biden now.

00:57:52.000 Yeah.

00:57:52.000 I mean, and that's, that's the thing too.

00:57:54.000 Like you look at Biden and it's, he's, he walks the walk.

00:57:58.000 He talks the talk.

00:57:59.000 He's a politician.

00:57:59.000 He does it well.

00:58:01.000 And it's just that, unfortunately what's going to happen to him is the same thing that happened with Hillary Clinton.

00:58:06.000 Donald Trump is specifically designed.

00:58:08.000 It's like he was, He wasn't made in a lab to appease people like me.

00:58:11.000 He wasn't made in a lab to appease a lot of different voters.

00:58:15.000 But you know what he was made in a lab to do?

00:58:16.000 His true superpower is he is a perfect foil for Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton, or Kamala Harris, or Nancy Pelosi, or anyone who has spent too much time acting like a politician.

00:58:27.000 He's perfectly built for it.

00:58:28.000 You couldn't ask for anything else.

00:58:29.000 And so the idea of the rock through a window makes so much sense, I think, to millions and millions of Americans, because they look and they're like, you know what?

00:58:35.000 Fine.

00:58:36.000 Well-dressed, nice-talking Joe Biden, fine.

00:58:39.000 I'm sure I would like to sit down and have a fireside chat with him.

00:58:41.000 But if I want to get something done, he's got 47 years and hasn't done it.

00:58:45.000 There's so many different things about Trump that push him over Joe Biden.

00:58:50.000 One way I can describe it is you've got Sleepy Joe and you've got bombastic Trump.

00:58:54.000 But if you're talking about foreign policy, defending this country, Then you've got the big bully who pushes everyone around and won't shut up, or the guy who's very, you know, sleepy.

00:59:04.000 Yeah.

00:59:05.000 The people who are going to be focused on military strength are going to look at Trump and be like, I would like the bully to work for me.

00:59:10.000 Yeah.

00:59:10.000 If you've got people who want just trade deals and trade arrangements, why would they go for Joe Biden, who, you know, the Obama administration was pro-trans-pacific partnership.

00:59:18.000 Yep.

00:59:19.000 Bernie Sanders was against that.

00:59:21.000 So the populist left and right agree on these trade agreements.

00:59:24.000 Yeah.

00:59:24.000 But when I said compare Trump to Biden now, I'm saying just like across the board, Biden doesn't cut it.

00:59:29.000 He's bottom tier.

00:59:31.000 And it's due to a lot of things.

00:59:32.000 I mean, first of all, Biden's history is really bad.

00:59:35.000 The things he's voted for, the things he's said, and his past gaffes, his lies he's been called out for.

00:59:41.000 But now he's also just, he needs to retire.

00:59:44.000 With all due respect.

00:59:46.000 You know, Joe Biden is well past his prime, a long time ago.

00:59:49.000 And seeing some of the things he tries to say, what gets me is how the journalists complete his sentences for him.

00:59:57.000 When he tries giving an idea and then he fumbles and says gibberish, they'll actually write a complete sentence.

01:00:02.000 And I'm like, you can't do that.

01:00:03.000 He didn't say that.

01:00:04.000 It's insane.

01:00:05.000 So you look at Donald Trump.

01:00:07.000 And I look at, you know, Joe Biden negotiating with many of the progressives, and he's not giving them everything they want.

01:00:14.000 Right.

01:00:14.000 But he's doing enough, while also, I think, you know, the town hall the other day, he was kind of throwing them under the bus, showing that it was a, the whole thing was a lie, right?

01:00:23.000 Basically, he was like, we're pro these progressive things, we're going to fight for with Bernie Sanders, and then came out and said, no, screw all that, we're here for Pennsylvania.

01:00:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:32.000 We're getting what they want.

01:00:33.000 And he does this too.

01:00:34.000 So one of the more interesting ones, I think, lately has been fracking.

01:00:37.000 Exactly.

01:00:38.000 So Biden has flipped, I think, four times now in the last couple of weeks about fracking.

01:00:42.000 And so originally his position was he was pro fracking.

01:00:45.000 He understands it's important.

01:00:46.000 You're in a place like Pennsylvania, like this is important jobs.

01:00:48.000 It's low cost energy.

01:00:49.000 There's a lot of different benefits to it.

01:00:51.000 One.

01:00:51.000 Two, then he got asked by the progressives and they were like, uh, he's like, oh, well, no, there's no place.

01:00:57.000 There's no place for fossil fuels.

01:00:59.000 And then a journalist clarified!

01:01:00.000 Somebody had asked him a follow-up question, like, well, what does that mean for fracking?

01:01:04.000 And he's like, we won't have that in a Biden administration.

01:01:06.000 And then he came back, he walked it back again, and said, oh, no, no, like, he was speaking in Pennsylvania or something, and so he's got it.

01:01:11.000 And the thing is, the journalists give him cover.

01:01:14.000 Every time.

01:01:15.000 Every time.

01:01:15.000 There's no, there's no politifact.

01:01:17.000 There's no, there's no four Pinocchios for these sorts of things.

01:01:19.000 They're bald-faced, obvious lies that none of the people whose most important job to the American people, which is to call out lies, all of a sudden lose interest in.

01:01:29.000 Yeah, and I think about all the people who are watching YouTube.

01:01:32.000 When I was talking to those dentists, well, I shouldn't say I was talking, I was going, getting dental work done.

01:01:36.000 It was like Biden talking.

01:01:37.000 But these are people talking about the YouTube videos they watched.

01:01:41.000 And that's why they go after YouTube.

01:01:42.000 That's why they're pro-censorship.

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:44.000 You know, it's really crazy.

01:01:45.000 A lot of people have been getting knocked off YouTube and various social media platforms in the past couple weeks.

01:01:50.000 It's been intense.

01:01:52.000 And this is something we all predicted.

01:01:54.000 If you thought 2018 was bad, wait until the presidential election.

01:01:57.000 They have to get rid of every single conservative, every single right-wing pro-Trump.

01:02:01.000 And I'm surprised I'm still here, to be honest.

01:02:03.000 Although, oh, we got a cat.

01:02:04.000 He's gonna steal your water.

01:02:05.000 Oh, that's okay.

01:02:06.000 We can share water.

01:02:07.000 We can share water.

01:02:08.000 But yeah, I noticed that most of the people I talk to that have flipped for Trump, they're people who tell me they started to do their own research.

01:02:16.000 Every single story I hear from someone who walked away from the Democratic Party, it's very simple.

01:02:21.000 They said, I heard all of these things, I believed them, and then one day I decided to do my own research.

01:02:26.000 And then I watched, you know, a lot of people are like, I watched one Trump speech and then realized, hey, wait a minute.

01:02:31.000 Everything they said was a lie.

01:02:33.000 Yeah, and these things slowly unravel too.

01:02:35.000 So I think for me, one of the big moments was, it was the Steele dossier, right?

01:02:41.000 And so I remember when it first came out, everyone was in uniform agreement.

01:02:45.000 You got this dirty dossier, like, oh, Trump's finished.

01:02:48.000 There's all these problems, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:02:50.000 And I bought it.

01:02:51.000 I looked at it, and I was like, oh wow, like, MI5 guy?

01:02:53.000 Like, he's well-respected?

01:02:55.000 Whatever, I'm sure he's great.

01:02:56.000 Fine.

01:02:57.000 And I bought it, and I remember I peeled back one day, because it was when the story came out that someone had alleged that Trump had been a Russian asset since 1987.

01:03:07.000 I was like, alright, this is my moment.

01:03:10.000 I was like, hands up, I can't.

01:03:11.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:03:14.000 I'll believe a lot of things that may not make a lot of sense, but this is not one of those such things.

01:03:18.000 And I think you did.

01:03:19.000 You have a lot of people who are asking a lot of questions.

01:03:21.000 I think there's a lot of good work on the right of people who are submitting FOIA requests and who are asking the right questions.

01:03:26.000 And so because of that, you do start to have people who get this information that filters through and starts to break through the lockdown that you have that is mainstream media.

01:03:35.000 When I was talking to my progressive friend, you know, she was giving me all of the mainstream media talking points that were devoid of any fact or reason.

01:03:43.000 And we had a good conversation.

01:03:45.000 I consider her to be a good friend.

01:03:47.000 It was really amazing to me, actually, that she could believe a lot of things she did supporting critical race theory, disagreeing with Trump, defending some of the things said by a lot of these far leftists, and we had a discussion and argument about it.

01:04:00.000 But one you know she said a couple things like for one she said Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist who traveled across state lines to hunt down peaceful protesters and I was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa and so I think if you're coming from politics from this point of view based upon The mainstream media's lies.

01:04:17.000 And I say mainstream media, it's really hard to break down.

01:04:19.000 It's political operatives who work within media.

01:04:22.000 Good point, yeah.

01:04:22.000 Because I still use the New York Times for sourcing in many different instances.

01:04:25.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:04:26.000 Yeah, he really wants your water.

01:04:27.000 I know, he's very committed.

01:04:28.000 I'll put it here so he can have some.

01:04:30.000 He can't get to it.

01:04:31.000 Oh yeah, that's why I'm not going to get in there.

01:04:32.000 But yeah, I mean, I hear you.

01:04:34.000 And like, I agree.

01:04:34.000 And don't forget, for Rittenhouse, it wasn't just your progressive friend.

01:04:37.000 Like, Ayanna Pressley said that, right?

01:04:39.000 And so I think it is very, very easy.

01:04:42.000 I know.

01:04:43.000 It's tough.

01:04:43.000 He's going to knock it over.

01:04:45.000 It can be really easy.

01:04:46.000 You repeat something, even devoid of any facts or meaning, you repeat it until it becomes true for all intents and purposes.

01:04:53.000 Right?

01:04:53.000 And so if you keep repeating the idea that the Steele dossier is credible, or you keep repeating over and over again that Rittenhouse is a white supremacist, all you have to do is say it enough times and eventually you get there.

01:05:02.000 I can't stop laughing because he's just jamming his face in the jar.

01:05:05.000 And it's just not quite going to fit.

01:05:07.000 This is why we let him on the show, because he's the comic relief for all the despair and violence.

01:05:12.000 And we could use that today.

01:05:14.000 Seriously, seriously.

01:05:15.000 No, I did think about it.

01:05:16.000 A lot of people are like, you know, news is always such a downer.

01:05:18.000 It's always so negative.

01:05:19.000 No, no, no.

01:05:20.000 He'll knock it over.

01:05:21.000 Yeah, just give him a little... Just don't let him spill it.

01:05:29.000 Anyway, to clarify my point on the mainstream media...

01:05:32.000 You know, like I was saying, there's a lot of sources that I still use, but you've got to be very careful, you've got to fact check it.

01:05:36.000 But if you start your political journey specifically from, I read a story that said Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist.

01:05:43.000 Well then you're going to agree with critical race theory.

01:05:45.000 Right.

01:05:45.000 So one of the things she said to me was, don't you realize that there's like a very serious problem with police targeting minority communities?

01:05:53.000 And I said, let me ask you a question.

01:05:55.000 And I'll ask you this question.

01:05:56.000 Do you know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed last year?

01:05:59.000 Is it eight?

01:06:00.000 Thirteen.

01:06:01.000 And then I said, do you know how many police interactions there were?

01:06:04.000 My understanding is there was 375 million.

01:06:09.000 So out of all of those interactions, 13 unarmed people dead, I will tell you this.

01:06:14.000 Those are individual cases that need to be explored to make sure there was no wrongdoing because a loss of life is one of the most egregious violations of civil liberties and civil rights.

01:06:22.000 But it doesn't sound to me like there is this massive widespread problem.

01:06:25.000 Right, or like, I think it was LeBron James was the one who had the great quote where he said, it's open season on black men in America, right? 0.98

01:06:32.000 And there's this narrative of, you know, not only is there, it's open season on black men in America and police and white people can kill black people without consequence and without issue. 0.98

01:06:42.000 That's just not true. 0.89

01:06:43.000 true right now there's no there's no reading of the literature that can make that something a point that can

01:06:47.000 be justified and stand on its own like it's an absurd thing it's a conspiracy theory but beyond the kids it

01:06:52.000 just gets repeated so many times that people like oh yeah like there of course there are because the numbers

01:06:58.000 don't matter you know and and one of the one of the things I like to bring up all the time even

01:07:02.000 though it feels fruitless like pointless is that they complain all day and night about Q and on and you

01:07:08.000 know Alex Jones he gets banned from the Internet all these things, yet they screech.

01:07:12.000 So you were referring to Jonathan Chait on MSNBC when he said, Chris Hayes, The famous Chris Hayes, millions of followers, has a guy in his show who says, now this, we can't prove this, but Donald Trump may have been a Russian asset since the 1980s.

01:07:26.000 And I just started laughing.

01:07:27.000 I'm like, you really believe this stuff?

01:07:30.000 Listen, man, and the moon could be made of cheese.

01:07:32.000 Yes, exactly.

01:07:33.000 Like, okay, listen, could Donald Trump be a Russian asset?

01:07:36.000 Yes, he could.

01:07:36.000 It is in the realm of reality, unlike the moon being made of cheese.

01:07:39.000 I'll give him that one.

01:07:39.000 Fine.

01:07:40.000 But to start from, like to, In order to get that far, I gotta tell you, man, 9-11 as an inside job sounds much more plausible than Donald Trump secretly working as a Russian agent to subvert America.

01:07:50.000 Right, and having it succeed, right?

01:07:54.000 The premise of what Jonathan Shade is saying is that we live in a universe where for the last, what is that, 33 years?

01:08:01.000 The Russians, the Soviets, whose entire country then disbanded, and they kept this act up, and they managed to move along this Manchurian candidate through the New York City celebrity scene, and then eventually run him for president and have him win the presidency almost 40 years later.

01:08:22.000 Dude, these people hear themselves, even a little bit.

01:08:26.000 It's so far beyond the realm of possibility that, and here, and if you want to make the QAnon comparison too, the idea that there is a global cabal of people, wealthy people, particularly liberal donors, who are raping and assaulting children is a lot more believable, I think.

01:08:42.000 There's a lot more evidence on the books that that is something that exists than trumping Russia.

01:08:46.000 Now, to go to the more extreme elements of some of these conspiracies about, like, the Satanist and, like, weird occult stuff, it does get into the crazy realm, for sure.

01:08:56.000 But, look, we've got a dude who had an island.

01:08:59.000 And he had a lot of friends in a lot of high places who traveled to that island.

01:09:03.000 And we know about this.

01:09:04.000 We have witness testimony.

01:09:05.000 A witness claimed Bill Clinton had visited the island.

01:09:08.000 So, there actually is court documents and witness testimony saying, hey, this stuff might be happening.

01:09:13.000 Now, of course, you might get conspiracy theorists who take that and turn it into this ridiculous and more extreme conspiracy about, you know, superhero Trump fighting an evil globalist cabal or whatever.

01:09:22.000 Yes, yes. 0.51

01:09:23.000 With tiny breadcrumbs.

01:09:24.000 It's like iRobot, right?

01:09:25.000 Tiny little breadcrumbs that lead you to the conclusion and only if you're paying close attention.

01:09:29.000 But it is, you are correct, it is absolutely correct to say that the Russiagate conspiracy stuff is a full order of magnitude more insane.

01:09:38.000 Yeah.

01:09:39.000 And it's still, Adam Schiff just tweeted, we got a new whistleblower complaint about Russian interference and blah blah blah, and it's like here we go again.

01:09:46.000 Yeah.

01:09:47.000 It's non-stop with these people about the conspiracy theories.

01:09:50.000 They make things up, they push them with impunity because they control the media.

01:09:56.000 And everyone just reacts to whatever the media says.

01:09:58.000 And what I mean by the media, I just mean high-profile news organizations like the New York Times.

01:10:03.000 You know, Tom Cotton writes an op-ed saying, send in the troops.

01:10:08.000 They write multiple apologies.

01:10:10.000 Then there's a staff revolt.

01:10:11.000 Then the guy resigns.

01:10:12.000 The editor resigns.

01:10:14.000 Do you see the thing about Newsweek where this professor wrote that Kamala Harris might not be eligible for the office?

01:10:19.000 I do see that, yeah.

01:10:20.000 And then Newsweek issued, I think, like seven apologies.

01:10:23.000 I believe that.

01:10:23.000 I totally believe that.

01:10:24.000 They pull down real quick.

01:10:26.000 They were like, editor's note.

01:10:27.000 We did not mean to imply.

01:10:28.000 Editor's note again.

01:10:29.000 We really feel editor's note again.

01:10:30.000 Editor's note again.

01:10:31.000 And then finally they did a whole new write-up explaining the conversation because they got attacked by leftist activists.

01:10:39.000 This is something I was talking about.

01:10:41.000 I had a really long conversation with my friend the other day.

01:10:43.000 It was really interesting.

01:10:44.000 And I said, I think what we're seeing is the leftward lurch.

01:10:50.000 It's got too much momentum.

01:10:52.000 Effectively, what happened is, it's something I described before.

01:10:55.000 We have tribalism, which means that the political factions are divided to a point where it's nonsensical.

01:11:02.000 Now, for the most part, I think whatever side we're on, I'm a pretty liberal individual, like old school liberal whatever.

01:11:08.000 The left is something entirely tribalistic and nonsensical.

01:11:11.000 So I'm sure you and I disagree on a lot of things, but we get along just fine talking politics, even if we disagree.

01:11:16.000 So I don't want to claim that the tribalism is equally bad.

01:11:20.000 I don't think it is.

01:11:21.000 But the left is now, you know, adhering to... I kind of lost my train of thought because I started getting into the whole right... What were you talking about before this?

01:11:32.000 Conspiracy theories.

01:11:33.000 The ones on the left.

01:11:35.000 No, I think I lost my train of thought.

01:11:36.000 I had a really good point.

01:11:37.000 It just slipped out of me.

01:11:38.000 You know, there.

01:11:39.000 It's gone.

01:11:39.000 It's it.

01:11:40.000 It's over.

01:11:40.000 Sorry, everybody.

01:11:41.000 It was going to be the most profound epiphany ever.

01:11:43.000 It was going to change the world and save everyone.

01:11:45.000 Oh, man.

01:11:45.000 That was it.

01:11:45.000 And I got to be honest with you.

01:11:46.000 Not a good time to lose that epiphany.

01:11:48.000 This is kind of a great moment to have an epiphany.

01:11:50.000 We need this, Tim.

01:11:51.000 But, pre-epiphany, I think you made a really good point when you talked about the fact that people on the left can push conspiracy theories and other really bad ideas with impunity.

01:11:59.000 And I think it's true and it's accurate and it's fair to say that we have a crisis in this country of, call it fake news, call it whatever you want, but of disinformation.

01:12:08.000 Of people believing facts that just aren't so, and an inability for our current systems to keep up with those facts that aren't true.

01:12:14.000 I remember the epiphany.

01:12:15.000 Ooh! 0.96

01:12:16.000 Good.

01:12:16.000 Yeah, it was the leftward lurch.

01:12:17.000 That's what I was talking about.

01:12:19.000 And so what I was saying is, because the left isn't talking about policy so much as whatever you say we disagree with, it's turned into this weird thing where the media and our cultural institutions always side with the left.

01:12:31.000 There was a study a few years ago I covered where they mapped out Twitter and they found that brand marketing existed overlapping with the resistance, the anti-Trump resistance on Twitter.

01:12:43.000 Yeah.

01:12:43.000 Probably because the same people who work in marketing live in the same areas and are friends with the same people who work in journalism.

01:12:50.000 So when they see their friends tweet something like Orange Man Bad, they think, I know, let's put on an ad campaign for our soda company called Orange Man Bad.

01:12:56.000 Or the soda company goes to them and says, what sells Orange Man Bad?

01:12:59.000 Right.

01:13:00.000 That's why you end up with rainbow logos for every single company in, I think, what February is it?

01:13:04.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 Not February, April?

01:13:06.000 That sounds right.

01:13:07.000 I'm sorry, I don't remember which month.

01:13:08.000 I don't mean that to be disrespectful, but that's... I just don't remember.

01:13:10.000 Maybe it's June, actually, that all the rainbow logos appear because all the brands agree on the same thing.

01:13:16.000 Right.

01:13:17.000 If you come out and say something negative, you'll be banned.

01:13:20.000 Right.

01:13:20.000 So that's the leftward lurch.

01:13:21.000 The momentum is too strong.

01:13:22.000 So COVID is a really good example.

01:13:24.000 If you come out and say, there's a really interesting study on COVID, banned.

01:13:28.000 Yeah.

01:13:28.000 But if you come out and say, it's the end of the world, COVID is killing everybody, and we have to lock down forever, you're good.

01:13:34.000 Or how about this?

01:13:35.000 Donald Trump is personally responsible for 80 to 90% of deaths.

01:13:39.000 So Joe Biden said that.

01:13:40.000 Yeah.

01:13:40.000 And the Washington Post actually said he made that up.

01:13:42.000 It's completely wrong, you know, and I respect them for calling him out for it.

01:13:46.000 Me too.

01:13:46.000 That's, yeah, good on them.

01:13:47.000 But is that video going to get taken down?

01:13:49.000 Are there going to be consequences?

01:13:50.000 No, Joe Biden is saying that.

01:13:51.000 Of course not.

01:13:51.000 That's not going to get taken down.

01:13:52.000 There's not going to be consequences.

01:13:53.000 There's not going to be any cancel culture or lost YouTube privileges.

01:13:56.000 Let's put it this way.

01:13:57.000 You have two people standing before the world.

01:13:59.000 One guy on the left, one guy on the right. 0.94

01:14:01.000 The guy on the left yells at the top of his lungs, COVID is going to kill everybody. 0.99

01:14:05.000 Everyone shut down your businesses and hide in your homes.

01:14:07.000 And they go, ah.

01:14:08.000 The guy on the right says, everybody calm down.

01:14:10.000 It's not that bad.

01:14:10.000 The mortality rate isn't that bad.

01:14:12.000 And then he gets removed from the scene.

01:14:14.000 Now you only have one guy screeching the end is nigh, and so everyone just runs for it and goes and hides.

01:14:19.000 And anytime any one of these people pops up and says, I disagree, gone.

01:14:24.000 So you had, I think it was, the best example of this is Breitbart, when they got their video removed from Facebook.

01:14:30.000 Breitbart filmed a press conference of doctors.

01:14:34.000 One of which was considered to be a kooky doctor.

01:14:36.000 Sure, whatever.

01:14:37.000 Fine.

01:14:38.000 But you had a press conference in D.C.

01:14:40.000 Breitbart is a news organization.

01:14:42.000 All they did was film it.

01:14:44.000 It was put on by a Congress member.

01:14:46.000 Facebook removed it because of what the doctors said.

01:14:51.000 So Breitbart didn't say it.

01:14:54.000 Breitbart was just a news organization saying a congressman held a press conference.

01:14:59.000 Shouldn't they just put like a fact check or something?

01:15:02.000 I mean even that goes... You would think... But even that goes farther than I think they should.

01:15:07.000 It's like it's a news organization who filmed some doctors and a congressman and here's what they said.

01:15:12.000 That's not... Why is Facebook removing a news organization?

01:15:16.000 Right.

01:15:16.000 It's because the leftward lurch.

01:15:18.000 You're allowed to say things in favor of leftist orthodoxy even if everyone disagrees with it.

01:15:24.000 So I'll tell you the craziest thing that I was told.

01:15:26.000 I had a friend tell me that they're, you know, kind of a liberal, but that they are scared of how the left is going in terms of abortion because they think it's wrong.

01:15:34.000 Interesting, okay.

01:15:35.000 And I said, then you need to go tell people that.

01:15:37.000 And they said, oh god, no.

01:15:39.000 Like, I can't.

01:15:39.000 I can't say anything like that.

01:15:41.000 And I said, what if it's true that every one of your friends agrees with you, but the only reason you think this is because none of you will say it?

01:15:47.000 What if you come out and say it?

01:15:49.000 Well, the problem is the other people on the left, even if they agree, will be like, I'm not going to be the deviant.

01:15:57.000 And they're going to point and they're going to hiss at them.

01:16:00.000 Exactly.

01:16:00.000 But you know who can always be the deviant?

01:16:02.000 You can always lean left.

01:16:03.000 And I think that's the key of the lurch is that the only person who's never going to be problematically offensive within that world view is the person who pushes it a little

01:16:11.000 bit farther.

01:16:11.000 Right.

01:16:12.000 Yet a little bit more critical to the critical race theory or the critical

01:16:15.000 gender theory or whatever it is. You can always go further to the left

01:16:18.000 without having to worry that you're going to be the bad guy.

01:16:21.000 And so it is.

01:16:22.000 It's this drift and you get all of these kind of like you get these people who

01:16:25.000 are dragged along with it who don't like like your friend who don't like doing

01:16:28.000 it. That's the Cato study we talked about. It's 60 percent of people who like

01:16:32.000 there are probably lots and lots of people who I know in D.C.

01:16:34.000 who work for liberal organizations who just aren't quite liberal enough, and they're a little bit worried that, like, that guy who lost his job for retweeting a link that said that destructive riots aren't politically beneficial, right?

01:16:45.000 That they hurt your cause.

01:16:46.000 And the guy lost his job!

01:16:47.000 I mean, it's, like, it's that crazy.

01:16:48.000 You know what they can do, though?

01:16:50.000 What?

01:16:50.000 In secret?

01:16:51.000 They can vote.

01:16:52.000 They can vote.

01:16:53.000 I don't think it's enough.

01:16:55.000 I think it's good.

01:16:56.000 I don't think it's enough.

01:16:57.000 And I think one of the issues is, if you control culture, you've won.

01:17:01.000 Yeah.

01:17:02.000 And so, maybe not permanently, but for now, you know, what is it saying?

01:17:05.000 Whoever controls the past, controls the present.

01:17:07.000 Who controls the present, controls the future.

01:17:10.000 Is that 1984 or something?

01:17:11.000 That sounds like it should be.

01:17:12.000 It sounds Orwellian.

01:17:13.000 It's gotta be that.

01:17:14.000 Maybe it's Animal Farm.

01:17:15.000 So here's what happens.

01:17:16.000 People are seeing all this happen around them and they're getting scared.

01:17:19.000 They go into the voting booth and they vote for Trump.

01:17:21.000 The leftists in media use this as proof.

01:17:25.000 White supremacy. 0.99

01:17:26.000 America's a white supremacist country. 0.99

01:17:27.000 See? 1.00

01:17:27.000 The racist got elected again. 1.00

01:17:28.000 That proves it.

01:17:30.000 Young people who don't know better are being indoctrinated into that new world. 0.86

01:17:34.000 So they aren't voting.

01:17:35.000 They will grow up and say, this is what the media has told me my whole life.

01:17:39.000 This must be true.

01:17:40.000 And then the secret pro-Trumpers who wouldn't speak up and wouldn't teach the next generation are gone, and you have a brave new world.

01:17:47.000 An Orwellian!

01:17:48.000 Yeah, I mean, I think you're right, and part of it too is, you know, you've... It's also like, who are the types of people who tend to be teachers?

01:17:56.000 Like, the political bent of a lot of very important, informative organizations happen to lean left.

01:18:01.000 Journalists, teachers, all these other individuals.

01:18:03.000 And so, because of that, you do have this kind of surround sound of a certain perspective that a bunch of young, impressionable people, and even not young, but generally impressionable people, Take as a given, take as a fact, take as a reality that's going on around them, and they don't know any better.

01:18:18.000 And I think it's particularly true if you don't have people who are super into politics.

01:18:21.000 Yeah, I think the one thing that people are missing is the schools.

01:18:25.000 And it's amazing to me that conservatives are fighting so hard to get their kids back into them, when we're seeing these leaked curriculums showing that it's all like a crazy indoctrination.

01:18:36.000 They're telling the kids all of these insane things, like weird dogma.

01:18:40.000 And there's some, I think Twitter honestly is probably what opened my eyes to it, but there's some really good people who make a really good push for, don't send your kids to government schools.

01:18:48.000 You can homeschool if you can't homeschool.

01:18:50.000 Send your kids to private schools.

01:18:51.000 If you can't afford private schools, find a charter that'll take you in.

01:18:53.000 There are a lot of other options and I think that's what you gotta do.

01:18:56.000 You know, I think you've got to start finding models to break it because it's not going away on its own, right? 0.98

01:19:00.000 You look at something like the LA Unified School District.

01:19:02.000 There's no amount of reform or tweaks or change or God forbid money that's going to fix that thing, right?

01:19:07.000 And so I wonder if you don't just have to let it go on its own or if nothing else, you got to kind of say, hey, It sucks, it's a shame, but my kids aren't going to have to suffer the consequences of this thing.

01:19:17.000 School choice.

01:19:18.000 Yeah.

01:19:18.000 And, you know, Trump included that as an agenda for a second term.

01:19:22.000 Yeah.

01:19:23.000 And it's really amazing.

01:19:24.000 We had Colin, do you know Colin Wright?

01:19:25.000 I don't know that I do, actually.

01:19:27.000 He's an evolutionary biologist.

01:19:28.000 We had him on, I think earlier this week, and he talks a lot about gender and stuff.

01:19:32.000 And he mentioned how he used to be opposed to it, you know, because he thought it was going to be used to teach evolution and creationism.

01:19:38.000 But now that he sees what the intersectional, the identitarian left is doing, he's like, school choice, voucher program, get the kids, put them where you want, because this has gone too far.

01:19:46.000 And I'm right there with him.

01:19:48.000 The craziest thing to me is, earlier this year, and I really do love talking about guns now, because I'm like a new gun guy.

01:19:55.000 Ah, okay, got it.

01:19:56.000 And so earlier this year, I was like, I don't want any guns in my house.

01:19:58.000 Now I have six.

01:19:59.000 Amazing.

01:20:00.000 I shouldn't have said that.

01:20:01.000 I also have other legal means of defense outside of those, too.

01:20:06.000 Yes, indeed.

01:20:07.000 But I do, I do, I do.

01:20:09.000 I mentioned this.

01:20:10.000 I think Crowder asked me, and I was just like, oh, we've got a bunch of compound bows, a bunch of recurve bows.

01:20:14.000 Amazing, yeah.

01:20:15.000 Ever since the riots happened.

01:20:17.000 Yeah, I don't blame you.

01:20:20.000 We had Corey DeAngelis on, and then he explained to me voucher programs, school choice, and I was like, it's brilliant.

01:20:28.000 I love it.

01:20:28.000 Let's do it.

01:20:29.000 Why can't parents choose where their kids go to school?

01:20:31.000 And then when the riots broke out, and I saw what was happening, and I heard the helicopters, I went and bought a bunch of guns.

01:20:38.000 So there has been a big rightward lurch Two, a sort of shock to liberals who were asleep, not paying attention.

01:20:46.000 And I'm someone who did pay attention.

01:20:48.000 But for the most part, I was like, eh, well, I'm not going to buy a gun.

01:20:50.000 What am I going to do?

01:20:50.000 And then riots happened, and I'm like, I want to go buy a gun!

01:20:52.000 And I bought a bunch.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, I don't blame you.

01:20:54.000 And I think what you're going to see is you're going to, like, as someone who lives in D.C.

01:20:56.000 and is familiar enough with the D.C.

01:20:58.000 gun laws to know that they're pretty awful, I think you're also going to see a lot of people leaving the cities for those sorts of reasons, too, right?

01:21:04.000 And I think you make a really, really good point on the school choice stuff, because I think that People were fed up with their schools already, but now, the way that they're handling the coronavirus stuff, I think is going to be what puts a lot of people over the edge, and they say, you know what?

01:21:15.000 This is too important.

01:21:17.000 My children's education is too important for me to screw up, particularly in a hyper-competitive world, that I can't just let them walk down the road to school, even if that's the closest, easiest option, even if their friends are there, whatever, because it's too great a sacrifice.

01:21:29.000 It's not just that.

01:21:30.000 Have you heard about these pods that are popping up?

01:21:32.000 I have, yeah.

01:21:33.000 So parents, their kids aren't in school, so they're teaming up and putting all the kids under, like they're all pitching in for a tutor and the tutor teaches all the kids.

01:21:41.000 Right.

01:21:41.000 Saves money for everybody.

01:21:42.000 Yeah.

01:21:43.000 Instead of having one tutor teach one kid, you have one tutor teach 20 kids.

01:21:45.000 Congratulations, you made a school.

01:21:46.000 Yep.

01:21:47.000 So now you've got parents who are saying, if I'm going to be paying this tutor by pitching in with all my friends, why are my taxes going to a school I don't use?

01:21:54.000 Exactly.

01:21:54.000 I would like my money back.

01:21:56.000 And Trump said, we're going to get you your money back.

01:21:58.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

01:21:59.000 Why would we, you know?

01:22:00.000 And you can't blame them, right?

01:22:01.000 I mean, I think, you know, you're right.

01:22:03.000 And the other thing, too, is it solves for the socialization problem caused by the pandemic, right?

01:22:09.000 Obviously, it helps the parents out tremendously and they get a better experience having a tutor than having their parents teach them.

01:22:13.000 But it also lets kids be kids and allows them to play with their friends and go out and do all the sorts of things that they can't do right now in the pandemic.

01:22:19.000 And I think they are going to sit back and say, hey, you know what?

01:22:21.000 This wasn't so bad, right?

01:22:22.000 I think if this continues to happen with schools, you're going to have a lot of people who go through half of a school year or a whole school year, and you have these disaffected parents who are like, I don't know, they're maybe like crunchy, granola-y, like pretty leftward leaning people who are like, this isn't terrible.

01:22:36.000 And I think actually it's a lot better than this now scary alternative that I haven't seen before.

01:22:40.000 I think the most important thing is that kids spend too much time socializing with each other.

01:22:46.000 So I'll put it this way.

01:22:47.000 I look at schools and what do we see?

01:22:50.000 The teachers and the students are typically adversarial. 0.99

01:22:53.000 The kids, like, school sucks. 0.97

01:22:54.000 Kids say it all the time. 0.99

01:22:56.000 Well, they're going to a place they hate.

01:22:58.000 They're under the command or authority of someone they don't like.

01:23:02.000 They can't even go to the bathroom if they need to unless they get permission.

01:23:06.000 That's a horribly authoritarian system.

01:23:08.000 And then they're getting their social cues from other people who have no understanding of social cues outside of So, it's like, you take two people who can't speak any languages and put them in a room and they start making up weird gibberish words. 0.52

01:23:18.000 They're not gonna function properly in the greater society.

01:23:21.000 So that's why I say kids are socializing too much.

01:23:24.000 What we need is kids to be around their parents.

01:23:26.000 That's why I'm a big fan of homeschooling, but with these pods.

01:23:30.000 So you have regular adults the kids can be around, and I also think it's very important that parents spend a lot of time teaching their own kids.

01:23:37.000 So I think, you know, if you go back to where, you know, how humanity essentially was developing, At a certain point, because I'm not going to speak, I'm not an anthropologist.

01:23:46.000 But the dad would be a blacksmith, and the kid would grow up, and his dad would be showing him what he did.

01:23:52.000 But more importantly, the dad would be like, yo, go grab a bale of water, I need it for, you know, whatever.

01:23:56.000 And the kid would go do it.

01:23:58.000 And then the kid's growing up being told, here's what you need, here's why you need it, here's what I need, go get it for me.

01:24:02.000 Eventually the kid's a teenager, and he's also a blacksmith, he's an apprentice.

01:24:06.000 So he learns his whole life.

01:24:07.000 He's around all the people coming and patronizing the business.

01:24:13.000 And then he learns how to be a functioning human in this world.

01:24:16.000 Today, we've removed that.

01:24:18.000 You have kids who grow up and have no idea how taxes work.

01:24:21.000 Don't even know they gotta pay them.

01:24:22.000 They're like, what do you mean I gotta file a form?

01:24:24.000 Says who? 0.65

01:24:24.000 When? 0.65

01:24:24.000 How? 0.65

01:24:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:25.000 They don't know how to even get a job.

01:24:26.000 They don't know what to do.

01:24:27.000 They don't know how to make a resume.

01:24:28.000 You go to school, they don't know how to tell you how banks work.

01:24:30.000 None of that.

01:24:30.000 Yeah, they don't know how to be an employee either.

01:24:32.000 I mean... They don't know how to be an employer.

01:24:35.000 The craziest thing to me is that when I was younger, I was just sitting there thinking one day and I thought, how do you make money?

01:24:43.000 Like, how do you get money to buy something you want?

01:24:46.000 And I realized all I've got to do is convince that guy holding that green piece of paper to put the green piece of paper in my hand.

01:24:52.000 It's really fundamentally that simple.

01:24:55.000 So what can you do to get it?

01:24:56.000 And it has to be honest.

01:24:57.000 You can't defraud somebody, and you can't take it from them by force.

01:25:01.000 So I've got to find a way to convince them that he should give me that.

01:25:04.000 So you can trade something.

01:25:06.000 I can say, I can give you this object, I made you a paper boat, give me a dollar.

01:25:10.000 Or you can say, I will help you with your homework.

01:25:13.000 What can you do to convince them?

01:25:15.000 And that's how you make money.

01:25:16.000 Not by going to a job and asking a machine to print money for you.

01:25:19.000 Yeah.

01:25:19.000 They think the only way to make money is to go to, you know, a business, a corporation, and say, I would like access to the money printer.

01:25:25.000 Right.

01:25:25.000 And that's just, that's, that's, it's a, it's a, it's a failed worldview, and it's our fault for not teaching our kids better.

01:25:31.000 Yeah, and I think... And it's schools.

01:25:32.000 It is, and I think bound up within that is also a lack of teaching of morality, and I think this is probably particularly bad as we get into a society where morality is less assumed, right?

01:25:43.000 There's plenty of benefits to that, but I think one of the consequences is that if we don't have a relatively fixed or understood morality, then kids grow up in an absence of morality as people who aren't moral actors themselves, right?

01:25:53.000 They're too young, they can't possibly understand, and so for a really long time, getting back to the, you know, the anthropological model, I'll tell you what's really amazing.

01:25:59.000 the family or the community or the culture or the religion or whatever it is.

01:26:02.000 And now we've kind of, we've hoisted that onto a public school system that has no idea

01:26:07.000 how to do it, but unfortunately more and more is attempting to do it.

01:26:10.000 And I think that's where the real danger comes in.

01:26:12.000 I'll tell you what's really amazing.

01:26:14.000 Are you Christian?

01:26:15.000 Yes, yeah, Catholic.

01:26:16.000 So I grew up Catholic and my family left the church when I was real young and I became

01:26:20.000 a disillusioned young person, like very anti-church and everything.

01:26:25.000 And then I had an epiphany when I met someone and he just gave me some insight at a couple different moments in my life.

01:26:31.000 And then I became, I don't necessarily want to say agnostic, I do believe in God, but I think it's not like a theistic, it's more of an Einsteinian or it's hard to explain.

01:26:40.000 I have my own personal belief system.

01:26:42.000 But I was thinking about something really interesting because my buddy Adam, who I don't know if you met him, he's doing his own show, he has a song he wrote and we used to jam on Friday nights and one of his lines is that it's time to confess our sins.

01:26:57.000 He says that in one of his songs.

01:26:58.000 And I thought about this and I said, the idea that a secular, urban, liberal type would understand the concept of confessing your sins means that he does have some understanding of confession.

01:27:12.000 And that's Catholic, right?

01:27:13.000 Yeah, it is.

01:27:14.000 So I thought it was interesting because if you go to another country, maybe in East Asia, and they're going to be like, what's that?

01:27:21.000 I don't understand what that is.

01:27:22.000 It doesn't exist in their culture.

01:27:23.000 And so when you talk about a shared morality, what I think a lot of people in this country

01:27:27.000 didn't realize, and I learned this much later on, I remember hearing from a lot of liberals

01:27:31.000 talking religion. 0.86

01:27:32.000 They'd say something like, if you need religion not to murder and rape people, then that scares 0.99

01:27:38.000 me because... 0.90

01:27:39.000 And I'm like, but what you don't realize is that your morals come from the same moral

01:27:45.000 Right.

01:27:46.000 And so I really had an amazing moment when I read about, when I was learning about Blackstone's formulation.

01:27:50.000 Are you familiar?

01:27:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:52.000 You know that's rooted in the Bible?

01:27:54.000 Yes, yeah.

01:27:54.000 I believe Sodom and Gomorrah.

01:27:56.000 Yeah, it is.

01:27:56.000 If there is but one righteous person.

01:27:57.000 Right.

01:27:58.000 And so that evolved over time through, into English common law, which we brought to the United States.

01:28:03.000 And now we have the Fifth Amendment, the right to a trial, the right to remain silent, the right, the innocence until proven guilty.

01:28:10.000 is rooted quite literally.

01:28:13.000 What I explain to people is, you might not like the Bible, and maybe like the originalists who view it as verbatim, but the way I see it is, we started somewhere, and maybe there's some things in here that were bad, but we kept the good.

01:28:28.000 And we carried the good with us, slowly refining it and making it better.

01:28:32.000 And now, when you come out and say, I don't need a religion to tell me why I'm moral, Then I say, but there are countries that don't have the presumption of innocence.

01:28:42.000 Right.

01:28:42.000 And so the presumption of innocence, while it is separated from the faith, we've kind of like figured out that core element.

01:28:48.000 Right.

01:28:49.000 It's a shared morality from, you know, the similar values.

01:28:52.000 So the reason I bring that up is even if, you know, I think this more relates to the 90s when I was growing up, when you had the Democrats and a lot of secular liberal types who still had similar moral foundations.

01:29:04.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:29:05.000 Even though the religion had been removed from it.

01:29:07.000 Right.

01:29:07.000 Now we're entering a point where the moral foundations are mirror images.

01:29:11.000 Yeah.

01:29:12.000 Where you have Black Lives Matter and critical race theory saying, you know, overtly racist things.

01:29:17.000 So part of our moral foundations is that we created the Civil Rights Act.

01:29:21.000 You know, you can't discriminate against people based on these things.

01:29:23.000 Yeah.

01:29:23.000 It's equality under the law.

01:29:25.000 Well now they want to erase that.

01:29:26.000 Yeah.

01:29:27.000 They say, well we should be able to discriminate to help people.

01:29:30.000 And that's when our moral foundations now have become mirror image.

01:29:34.000 So when I'm talking to my friend and I say, I refuse to live in a world without the Civil Rights Act.

01:29:40.000 It was long fought by our great civil rights leader.

01:29:42.000 We won, and you want to repeal it.

01:29:44.000 And their answer is, but we need to to help people.

01:29:46.000 I say, I don't care what you think you're doing.

01:29:48.000 The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

01:29:51.000 Yeah, I resist.

01:29:52.000 And I'm right there with you.

01:29:52.000 And I think it's right to say that they are in opposition.

01:29:56.000 And I think one of the things that a lot of people, particularly a lot of people, I think BLM kind of forget is the idea of all people, like, I don't want to say all lives matter, right?

01:30:04.000 That's got political context.

01:30:05.000 But the idea that all of human life intrinsically has worth and value that is even and equal is a very Christian concept.

01:30:13.000 This is St.

01:30:14.000 Paul's writing.

01:30:16.000 This is neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free. 1.00

01:30:20.000 These were incredibly unfamiliar at the time.

01:30:22.000 And so you're right, there's so much of this that then gets passed down to culture, it gets passed down to common law, it gets passed down to the sort of values that we share as a people.

01:30:31.000 And you're right, for a really long time, we could fight about what those values were.

01:30:34.000 And for a long time, obviously, there's meaningful, meaningful problems in how those values existed.

01:30:38.000 Particularly before the 1960s, there were There were enormous, enormous problems with the way that we reflected these values, but I do think that probably from, I don't know, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, there was a really valuable shared framework with which we discussed moral issues, and we're very rapidly moving to a point where we are throwing out the idea that even having that confined conversation is valuable.

01:30:59.000 So here's kind of what I think, in that context where I said the morality has shifted, the base of it.

01:31:04.000 I am a liberal individual.

01:31:06.000 I grew up, very briefly, Catholic.

01:31:08.000 So I grew up, and I long have since forgotten a lot of the stuff they taught us in Catholic school.

01:31:14.000 Although I still remember some of the songs, it's kind of funny.

01:31:16.000 They stay with you.

01:31:17.000 They will always stay with you.

01:31:18.000 They do.

01:31:18.000 Even though I was a little kid.

01:31:19.000 But a lot of the moral foundations I think that's what it is.

01:31:23.000 I think even secular liberals don't realize they were raised in a sort of a Judeo-Christian framework.

01:31:30.000 Whether it's good or bad is not the point.

01:31:31.000 I'm just saying we shared a lot of these same values.

01:31:34.000 I mean the Ten Commandments or Blackstone's formulation.

01:31:37.000 But now we have a new idea of a new world. 0.91

01:31:41.000 Where we're colonizers, we're evil, where white people, they say, you know, are evil and have all these whiteness traits like hard work and planning for the future. 0.78

01:31:49.000 And it's a really weird thing. 0.78

01:31:50.000 Yeah.

01:31:51.000 But their moral framework is completely inverted.

01:31:55.000 Right.

01:31:55.000 So here's what I think.

01:31:56.000 How is it that you and I, you know, we're having a conversation.

01:31:59.000 Is it fair to say you're a Catholic conservative?

01:32:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:02.000 I'm like a... I don't know if it's fair to say I'm like secular, I don't know what I am, but I'm not a non-theistic liberal type.

01:32:10.000 We agree on so much, and it's because of a rooted moral foundation, I think.

01:32:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:32:15.000 And again, you can quibble on so many of the details, and I think that one of the big important things here is What we're seeing in the streets in places like Portland, those aren't quibbles, those aren't splitting hairs about a 25% effective tax rate versus a 27% effective tax rate.

01:32:30.000 It is a bunch of people who fundamentally do not believe in the rules that have governed our entire system since, like, I don't know, we became an agricultural civilization.

01:32:39.000 But it's beyond that.

01:32:40.000 It's like, well, yes, yes.

01:32:43.000 It's also in the nitty gritty of our current society.

01:32:47.000 They believe they have a right to use violence against you.

01:32:50.000 We typically, you know, like for the longest time, most Americans were not in agreement.

01:32:55.000 And I love it when people bring up the weather underground.

01:32:57.000 They're like, yeah, but what, you know, if you want to talk about how bad things are, the weather underground.

01:33:00.000 And I was like, I could be wrong, but didn't they do shock and awe campaigns in the middle of the night when no one was around because they didn't want to hurt people?

01:33:06.000 Yeah, and they ended up killing someone I think because they were they were like they didn't know they were gonna be in there.

01:33:10.000 Yeah, I think that's right.

01:33:10.000 It was like their intent and what they did was wrong.

01:33:13.000 Like, no joke.

01:33:14.000 Absolutely.

01:33:14.000 But, like, they were avoiding hurting people.

01:33:17.000 The people today, uh, in these riots, they're actively hurting people.

01:33:20.000 In fact, they've killed people.

01:33:22.000 There's, there's 15 dead from the riots and with a Chazz chop, they literally killed people. 1.00

01:33:26.000 Yeah.

01:33:26.000 The security guards unloaded, according to witnesses, for like a minute just round after round into a vehicle with some teenagers in it because they thought the teenagers were like white supremacists, but they weren't.

01:33:34.000 They were just kids.

01:33:36.000 So they're literally like, light them up.

01:33:38.000 And so much of it too.

01:33:40.000 And I think one, my biggest, I think my biggest problem, biggest problem with all of this is they're reframing and rephrasing the way violence works and is defined.

01:33:46.000 Oh, totally.

01:33:46.000 And so if you can say words are violence and you really fundamentally believe words are violence and using the wrong pronoun is a threat against someone the way that lots of, lots of blue check Twitter activists will tell you these things are literal violence.

01:34:00.000 Then it doesn't surprise me when those same people look at Rand Paul getting assaulted and say, Like, how is that worse than messing up someone's pronouns?

01:34:07.000 How is that worse than the drinking from the Kool-Aid of white supremacy or whatever Lady Gaga said the other day?

01:34:13.000 Words are violence.

01:34:15.000 Silence is violence.

01:34:16.000 Silence, too, right.

01:34:17.000 And silence is consent.

01:34:19.000 Okay, so they've covered all the bases, right?

01:34:21.000 Yeah.

01:34:22.000 If you say nothing, you're being violent and consenting to whatever's happening around you.

01:34:25.000 Right.

01:34:26.000 And so that applies in all contexts.

01:34:27.000 If you're not speaking up against the riots, then you are effectively condoning them.

01:34:33.000 Yeah.

01:34:33.000 And you're also being violent against them for not supporting them.

01:34:37.000 And if you say anything, you're being violent against them. 0.99

01:34:39.000 Therefore, no matter what you do, we must beat you and crush you. 0.99

01:34:42.000 There's no winning that way. 0.95

01:34:43.000 And really, to me, what it comes down to is it's intellectual extortion, right?

01:34:47.000 You are looking at people and you are saying, you can either agree with me or you can face violence.

01:34:51.000 Like it's like the Sopranos, if the Sopranos took over like Twitter and academia.

01:34:55.000 That's what we're seeing happen in real time.

01:34:57.000 And it's amazing because there's so many people who are kind of getting there.

01:35:00.000 They've got the gun in their back or the sword in their back.

01:35:02.000 They're walking the plank and they're like, it's fine.

01:35:04.000 Can you guys, did you see what Trump tweeted about today?

01:35:06.000 Like it's such a big concern.

01:35:08.000 And they don't see what's going on around them and the radical, truly radical shifts that we're seeing in the way that the discourse just takes place.

01:35:15.000 I wonder, you know, elaborating on this shared moral framework idea, I wonder if the reason why we kind of have default liberals, you know, people who just kind of vote Democrat and don't really pay attention, is because they don't really have any kind of moral framework.

01:35:30.000 So they just default to the left and they say, sure, whatever.

01:35:33.000 Then you have the far leftists who have a radically different moral framework where their power is paramount and the health of the tribe and the survival of the tribe is more important than individual rights.

01:35:43.000 Then you have the traditional American faction, which includes liberals and conservatives, and that is a shared moral framework on specific... I guess it's fair to say Judeo-Christian values, kind of.

01:35:54.000 We were founded as a Christian nation.

01:35:56.000 But it's become something a bit broader than that, but there is a rooted shared moral framework.

01:36:02.000 So I wonder if the reason why, basically what I'm saying is, there are people who are just not paying attention, who will go out and vote for Joe Biden without knowing anything about what's going on, and it could be because their moral framework is absent.

01:36:15.000 They're just, I want to feed my family, I don't care about anything else.

01:36:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:36:18.000 And I think that's a good way to look at it.

01:36:20.000 And I think part of it, too, is there's a lot of people who, in the absence of having a particularly firm moral framework, it's really easy to adopt.

01:36:29.000 My Catholic is really showing here, but it can be really easy to adopt a worldly moral framework.

01:36:34.000 Right?

01:36:34.000 And so if your moral framework is basically, I don't know, Twitter and Facebook and whatever video you find on YouTube and the movies that you watch and the video games you play, then that can be super, super problematic for a lot of different reasons.

01:36:48.000 And so I think it can be easy to adopt that instead and that that is destined to fail.

01:36:53.000 But that's almost that passive sort of framework that ends up resulting.

01:36:56.000 You know, I've had a video on my main channel about Jordan Peterson for a long time.

01:37:01.000 It's like my default video from years ago, and I basically talk about how we're experiencing a crisis of purpose, where you have a lot of far leftists who, they don't know what their purpose is, so they've created one.

01:37:14.000 It's challenging the empire and white supremacy.

01:37:17.000 But then you have a lot of other people who have no purpose, so they just sit around playing

01:37:19.000 video games all day.

01:37:20.000 Then they find someone like Jordan Peterson who tells them, here's how you develop purpose,

01:37:25.000 find the heaviest thing you can and then carry it.

01:37:27.000 And that is a part of the culture war.

01:37:30.000 People who have nothing to do and don't understand but are longing to do something.

01:37:34.000 Because I think we all are, right?

01:37:35.000 Like, I think at the end of the day, you know, I think Peterson really struck a chord, I think, with a lot of people for exactly that reason.

01:37:41.000 He understands that people fundamentally, and in a lot of cases, particularly young men, are striving for some level of meaning in a world that has very, very little meaning.

01:37:49.000 And outside of the more traditional, like, I need to go be a blacksmith because I need to keep growing the family

01:37:54.000 blacksmith building, or outside the confines of traditional faith, it can be

01:37:58.000 really, really hard to find something.

01:38:00.000 And so if you've got this quasi-religion and leftism, it's a really, really easy thing to glam onto.

01:38:05.000 We've kind of won.

01:38:07.000 We have abundance of food.

01:38:08.000 We're all overweight.

01:38:10.000 Uh, so what do people do?

01:38:12.000 And so they just, they got to figure something out.

01:38:14.000 Otherwise, what's the meaning of life?

01:38:15.000 Why are they alive?

01:38:17.000 And then they just, I don't know.

01:38:19.000 They sit in their bedrooms, bored and scared, but they found a new meeting in this, in this new dogma.

01:38:23.000 Right, because at the end of the day, what Critical Race Theory, I think, gives a lot of people a really great excuse to do is it gives them easy bad guys.

01:38:29.000 There are monsters.

01:38:30.000 They can go out and slay the monsters that are very obviously in front of them and, I don't know, maybe behind them in line at the supermarket, too.

01:38:36.000 It's everywhere.

01:38:37.000 It's omnipresent.

01:38:37.000 This awful, terrible thing that is toxic whiteness or toxic masculinity or toxic whatever you want to get mad about, if it's everywhere, then every day of your life can have meaning.

01:38:46.000 It's like you're on a giant, open-ended RPG video game.

01:38:50.000 Where you're going on an adventure and there's always going to be some monster that crawls out of the forest that you get to be the righteous one to destroy.

01:38:57.000 And the problem is the people that they always happen to find and the issues they keep finding aren't monsters.

01:39:02.000 Right.

01:39:02.000 And there's no one to tell them they're not monsters.

01:39:04.000 Right.

01:39:04.000 There's no great enemy.

01:39:06.000 Yeah.

01:39:06.000 Let's go jump to the super chats.

01:39:07.000 And someone brought up a good point that I'm going to go ahead and assume is correct.

01:39:11.000 I'm not entirely sure.

01:39:12.000 But they said the vice president breaks a tie in the Supreme Court.

01:39:16.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:39:17.000 What?

01:39:17.000 I don't know if that's true, but someone commented that, so... Interesting.

01:39:21.000 We have a cat desperately trying to steal water from everybody.

01:39:23.000 I would believe just about anything right now, to be honest with you, about who breaks a tie in the Supreme Court.

01:39:27.000 Right.

01:39:27.000 So... That doesn't sound right to me, though.

01:39:30.000 It doesn't sound right to me either, but I don't know what would sound right.

01:39:32.000 Like, I don't know who you would say this is right.

01:39:36.000 Let's uh, let's read what Wolf Ranger has to say.

01:39:37.000 say.

01:39:38.000 Wolfer here says, please go back on Joe Rogan.

01:39:40.000 His curator Jamie wrongfully told him there was no instance of mail-in ballot problems

01:39:45.000 and other fallacies.

01:39:46.000 Joe has a big platform and it's important he not push these and other false narratives

01:39:50.000 to his audience.

01:39:51.000 Yeah, Joe had a, oh man.

01:39:54.000 you.

01:39:55.000 Joe got called out by Media Matters for America, which is a left-wing conspiracy theory organization that just, like, makeup smears against people.

01:40:03.000 You know my favorite thing Media Matters ever did was?

01:40:05.000 Which?

01:40:05.000 They accused me of pushing a conspiracy theory that Ilhan Omar may have married her brother, and the image they used was a picture of me quite literally reading the Star Tribune that said it verbatim.

01:40:17.000 So it's like... That's amazing.

01:40:20.000 That's why I, in my main channel, I have the news source right big on the screen.

01:40:24.000 And that's all you see.

01:40:25.000 You can't miss it.

01:40:26.000 And so they were like, Tim Pool, falsely claimed.

01:40:28.000 And it's me going like, I'm shocked.

01:40:29.000 And I'm like, it says Ilhan Omar may have married her brother.

01:40:32.000 And I'm like, I just read the newspaper!

01:40:34.000 Local reporting.

01:40:35.000 And it's got a checkmark from NewsGuard.

01:40:37.000 So anyway, Joe Rogan said on his show that there was a bunch of crazy people starting fires.

01:40:45.000 This is 100% factually true, and I think I have the source, and I think it would be wise to actually pull that up because they're gonna try and drag me for it.

01:40:58.000 So we'll just leave it on the screen while I talk about this.

01:41:01.000 So, uh, he said, what's going on in the West Coast with these, like, wildfires, something is crazy, got these crazy people, it's all, it's nuts, they're starting fires.

01:41:09.000 And then he said they've actually arrested, like, some activists, like, some leftists for starting these fires.

01:41:13.000 He said forest fires, that was wrong, that's nitpicking, but they're wildfires.

01:41:17.000 He said activists and people, when in fact it was one leftist, it was a guy named Jeffrey Accord, who was a known Black Lives Matter Defund the Police activist, who got arrested, according to the police, trying to start a fire in the brush.

01:41:29.000 He did start a fire, they put it out, I believe.

01:41:31.000 One guy.

01:41:32.000 Then you had, according to, we have Oregon Catalyst, they track 14 different arsons identified on the West Coast.

01:41:39.000 So yes, there are more than a dozen people, and here are all the stories and all the links, you got San Francisco Chronicle, you got KHQ.

01:41:46.000 So anyway, Joe, because Media Matters came after him, I don't know why, I guess he felt like he should make a correction, and his correction was wrong in the other direction.

01:41:55.000 And so, man, bummer when you try and play this game, and you don't have a fact checker or anything like that.

01:42:01.000 So Joe ended up making an Instagram video that got like a million plus views where he said, Hey, I was wrong.

01:42:05.000 I said people were starting fires.

01:42:06.000 That's not true.

01:42:07.000 It is true.

01:42:09.000 People are starting fires.

01:42:11.000 They're just not Antifa.

01:42:12.000 Even BuzzFeed News reported.

01:42:14.000 Yes, there's a bunch of arson.

01:42:15.000 No, it's not Antifa.

01:42:16.000 There was one leftist who got arrested.

01:42:18.000 So...

01:42:19.000 You know, look, I think it's crazy that like people go after Joe this hard on this stuff because he's like he's a podcast of hanging out with his buddies and it's turned into what like Larry King, Walter Cronkite.

01:42:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:42:30.000 Level of journalism.

01:42:31.000 And I'm like, dude, the comedian hanging out with his buddies is not supposed to be the most rigorous fact check, but people pile on him and they're like, he's got to know everything.

01:42:39.000 And it's like, How do you do a podcast where you're just a comedian hanging out with your friends and interesting people?

01:42:45.000 Yeah.

01:42:45.000 If you, if, and if people are trying to force you to literally know everything.

01:42:49.000 Yeah.

01:42:49.000 And also like, what a great way to rob the fun of a fun podcast to say, Hey, not only do you have to be on all the time, all of your guests have to be on all the time.

01:42:57.000 And if not, who knows?

01:42:58.000 Maybe, maybe they're, maybe they're going to boycott the people who put ads on your, on your programs or whatever it is.

01:43:03.000 Yup, yup.

01:43:04.000 And he apologized, and his apology is wrong.

01:43:07.000 And the problem is, and we were talking about this earlier, once you apologize, you don't get a do-over, right?

01:43:11.000 You say something, you get exactly one do-over to either double down or apologize, and that's it.

01:43:15.000 You gotta make your bed.

01:43:16.000 I gotta be honest though, I think Joe is kind of the chill enough dude to put another video out.

01:43:21.000 Dude, there actually is arson, it's just on Antifa, man.

01:43:27.000 You wouldn't expect it from a major corporation.

01:43:29.000 Their PR department would be lighting on fire.

01:43:31.000 But Joe's the kind of guy who's gonna be like, I'm just gonna, you know.

01:43:33.000 But we'll see if he does.

01:43:36.000 Man, that's rough.

01:43:37.000 Because, I'll tell you what, I bet if Joe came out and said, look, I found this link showing all these different stories of all this different arson, Then he's gonna get media matters again saying Rogan doubles down and lies again.

01:43:49.000 And so what do you do?

01:43:51.000 So I think it's a huge challenge because if you come out and say there's no arson when there is, well then you're not being truthful.

01:43:56.000 Right.

01:43:56.000 And if you're worried about, you know, getting attacked and they could destroy your business, then we got a serious societal problem.

01:44:02.000 And, unfortunately, I think that's about where we're at, right?

01:44:02.000 Yeah.

01:44:05.000 Like, it's a really, really easy thing to go and destroy someone's career.

01:44:07.000 And, like, again, this guy's not a wildfire expert.

01:44:10.000 The other thing, too, is this isn't, like, he's not saying that, oh, yeah, did you hear the moon landing was fake?

01:44:13.000 Like, he's, like, a well-intentioned... Actually.

01:44:16.000 Yeah, fair.

01:44:18.000 No, no, he's got, like, old episodes of crazy, fun conspiracy talk, but, like, you know, that's the crazy thing.

01:44:24.000 Joe Rogan's show was having fun with his friends and talking about crazy stuff, and they turned him into Larry King Live.

01:44:31.000 You have to be 100% correct all the time.

01:44:33.000 It's a failure of journalism.

01:44:34.000 I think the reason why that has happened to him is that so many people don't trust the people who are supposed to be giving them the right news that they go to him and he becomes a de facto, by default, news provider.

01:44:46.000 And so they're like, okay, well, it's an institutional failure and he is unfortunately facing the ramifications of an institutional failure for which he's not responsible.

01:44:54.000 How amazing is it that, you know, whether people want to accept it or not, even Joe, he is a top news source for people.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:00.000 No joke.

01:45:01.000 I mean, that's, that's, that's crazy.

01:45:01.000 Yeah.

01:45:02.000 Right.

01:45:03.000 And it's, it's crazy in an era where like we've all got supercomputers in our pockets and we are beamed constantly with an enormous amount of information.

01:45:10.000 All you have to do is, like, tell it decent and tell it straight and, like, the eyes will come.

01:45:15.000 They will follow you to the truth, I think, in most cases.

01:45:18.000 And it's amazing what so many people have done to light their own and their own institution's credibility on fire to get to a point where there are millions and millions of people who are going to Joe Rogan to say, hey, tell me what happened today in the world.

01:45:28.000 Yeah, and to be fair.

01:45:31.000 That's not even Joe's job.

01:45:32.000 No, so he's not he's like a regular dude is like don't look at me I don't know and but I think that's why I'm you know People come to my show a lot because I quite literally will have the source on the screen I don't say unless I can fact-check it.

01:45:44.000 Otherwise, I tell you Google it now you fact-check me I could be wrong about this and I that's like the best I can do and it's funny when I get it when I get attacked by a lot of people and I'm Like dude, I know I'm wrong Yeah, like I do my best.

01:45:54.000 I don't know what you want me to do.

01:45:55.000 I just like I read the news.

01:45:56.000 I pull the sources up.

01:45:57.000 They're all certified.

01:45:58.000 I use a third-party fact-checking and rating agency.

01:46:01.000 That is the best any person could probably do and I'm trying man, but they don't like it.

01:46:04.000 Yeah, because they don't like the truth and it's it's amazing too because I think part of it is so many people have kind of thrown their hands up with a lot of media now to say, you know what?

01:46:14.000 I know, like even, I think even the true believers, even the real anti-Trump people are still kind of like, yeah, you're right.

01:46:19.000 Some of this is kind of BS fake news.

01:46:21.000 And so I think they have this kind of, this miscast anxiety and frustration and desire to hold someone accountable.

01:46:27.000 And it's not going to be, you know, they're not going to go on and complain about Sanjay Gupta or Anderson Cooper or Jake Tapper or something like that.

01:46:33.000 Cause it's, it's too far away from them, but they see someone with a podcast.

01:46:36.000 They're like, you should do better.

01:46:37.000 Look, you've got that computer up on your, up on, I can see it right there.

01:46:40.000 Like, why, why aren't you doing more?

01:46:41.000 Why aren't you doing better?

01:46:43.000 It's this miscast aggression and frustration because what they're really probably mad about is the failed institutions who have let them down.

01:46:49.000 Well, when it comes to the media, like Media Matters for instance, they're just going after Joe politically because Joe is a political obstacle.

01:46:56.000 He's an everyman.

01:46:57.000 Yeah.

01:46:57.000 So you got to be careful when bad faith actors accuse you of lying.

01:47:01.000 And that's the thing too.

01:47:01.000 It's so easy, especially when you put out enough content, it's so easy to take anything and spin it out of context.

01:47:06.000 Like you know that know this infinitely better than I do.

01:47:09.000 When you've got hours and hours and hours of content that you're putting up

01:47:12.000 every single week, all somebody has to do some 19 year old kid at media

01:47:16.000 managed for America just has to take one little snippet that may be aged poorly

01:47:19.000 or look bad or whatever it was.

01:47:21.000 Splash that up with a bunch of other weird contexts they can pin together and

01:47:25.000 boom, you've got something that's going to be of interest to someone.

01:47:27.000 The good news is I guess no one cares enough about me.

01:47:30.000 It's really weird.

01:47:32.000 As much as a lot of people watch my content, I'm just so tepid and milquetoast for the political world that it's like, even when someone does pull something out of context, no one cares.

01:47:43.000 Somebody commented that I was critical of some guy on Twitter and said something offensive, and the guy was like, why should I care?

01:47:50.000 And it's like, you shouldn't.

01:47:52.000 That's amazing.

01:47:53.000 You literally shouldn't.

01:47:53.000 That's amazing.

01:47:54.000 But I try to avoid making derogatory statements.

01:47:57.000 I try to be respectful.

01:47:58.000 Yeah.

01:47:58.000 And people still try to come after me.

01:48:01.000 And it's just like, I think I'm too... I don't target individuals.

01:48:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:07.000 So that makes it really easy to hate somebody when they call out a specific person at a certain tier.

01:48:12.000 Like, I'll talk about obviously AOC and Trump and Biden and stuff.

01:48:14.000 Yeah.

01:48:15.000 But I won't call out like a regular dude or, you know, I try to keep it above that stuff.

01:48:19.000 Yeah, and I think you're not going for the clickbait, right?

01:48:24.000 People accuse me of it.

01:48:25.000 But do you remember the forklift operator or whoever who lost his job and got canceled because he made a meme or something?

01:48:25.000 I'm sure.

01:48:30.000 That's the sort of thing that unfortunately I think plays really well for people in the media because, again, I think when you peel back a lot of the layers of the white supremacist toxic culture we live in to a lot of people is the people around you are bad.

01:48:44.000 Right, right.

01:48:44.000 That's really to me what it boils down to more than anything and like it's kind of like the get-out mentality as you walk around the world.

01:48:50.000 It's you look around people everywhere and these are monsters.

01:48:52.000 These are demons. 0.98

01:48:53.000 They're bad people.

01:48:54.000 And so it's really really easy when you buy into a narrative like that to get just as bad at someone like AOC or someone like Trump or someone like Biden as it is the guy down the supermarket who you knew all along was always a bad person, right?

01:49:05.000 So when you're able to paint Wide wide swaths of this country as wrong and irredeemable Then it becomes really really easy when they do the tiniest thing wrong to watch them get destroyed because it's not them who's being destroyed Right.

01:49:17.000 Yeah, because if you're if you believe the stuff, it's never the individual who's destroyed It's always another domino of white supremacy that has fallen and who cares if it's some guy who lost his $40,000 a year job support his family in rural, Iowa So, we're going to read some more Super Chats, so make sure you smash that like button, or give it a little tiny tap.

01:49:37.000 Do you want to shout out your Twitter or anything?

01:49:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:39.000 Do you want to mention social media?

01:49:40.000 Yeah, I'm always on Twitter, so if you think, or even if you don't think anything I'm saying has value and you just want to hate on it, I get lots of hate.

01:49:47.000 I'm happy to respond to it.

01:49:48.000 It's DrewHolden360 on Twitter.

01:49:48.000 Awesome.

01:49:50.000 Easy.

01:49:51.000 Easy to follow.

01:49:51.000 So easy.

01:49:52.000 Yeah.

01:49:53.000 Let's read this show.

01:49:54.000 We got Craig Cooper with a big ol' super chat.

01:49:55.000 Appreciate it.

01:49:55.000 He says, Hi Tim.

01:49:56.000 Love the show.

01:49:57.000 If people want non-woke sci-fi, they can check out my novel at cscooper.com.au.

01:50:02.000 Copy should be in your P.O.

01:50:03.000 box.

01:50:03.000 The bug really messed my business up.

01:50:06.000 Lost lots of money.

01:50:07.000 So shout out.

01:50:08.000 Really appreciate it.

01:50:09.000 Well, the super chat's greatly appreciated.

01:50:11.000 Awesome.

01:50:12.000 So let's see, uh, I can't, I can't read that one.

01:50:15.000 Okay.

01:50:16.000 Chuck Morris says, we have one president at a time and he selects the public servants.

01:50:20.000 We are a nation of laws.

01:50:21.000 Follow the constitution, brothers.

01:50:23.000 Colin Peay says, Trump in Minnesota just said, if I shaved my head, I'd be down 20 points.

01:50:29.000 Should I shave my head?

01:50:30.000 And the crowd booed.

01:50:32.000 That can't be real.

01:50:32.000 No, he didn't.

01:50:33.000 Did we actually miss that?

01:50:34.000 Probably.

01:50:35.000 I bet he did.

01:50:36.000 I believe it.

01:50:37.000 That sounds like something Trump would say.

01:50:38.000 Probably 2020.

01:50:39.000 Have you been to a Trump rally?

01:50:40.000 He would say that.

01:50:41.000 I have not been.

01:50:41.000 I was going to go with a buddy of mine and then what happened?

01:50:45.000 I think coronavirus just came in and it got canceled.

01:50:47.000 Trump is political stand-up comedy.

01:50:49.000 It really is.

01:50:50.000 And it's a cathartic release.

01:50:54.000 It is like Jon Stewart.

01:50:56.000 So I've been to so many Trump rallies.

01:50:58.000 I went to the White House for that social media summit, and it was just a Trump rally.

01:51:02.000 I thought it was going to be a sit-down conversation.

01:51:04.000 No, we just sat in a room and Trump did stand up.

01:51:06.000 That's hysterical.

01:51:07.000 And Trump is really funny.

01:51:08.000 Yeah.

01:51:09.000 You like his jokes?

01:51:10.000 He has self-deprecating humor.

01:51:12.000 He's very self-aware.

01:51:13.000 And I was like, this is why people like him.

01:51:15.000 Yeah.

01:51:15.000 Because they're they're angry at the elites.

01:51:17.000 They're angry at the media.

01:51:18.000 They're angry at the ivory tower.

01:51:19.000 And Trump knows they hate him, too.

01:51:21.000 And so he takes it all, makes a joke out of it.

01:51:23.000 He doesn't care.

01:51:24.000 He's not worked up that they don't like him.

01:51:25.000 Yeah.

01:51:26.000 And they like to claim he is.

01:51:27.000 And I'm like, I don't think he watches Fox News.

01:51:29.000 He's not watching you, dude.

01:51:30.000 Yeah.

01:51:31.000 You know, let's read some more.

01:51:32.000 What do you got?

01:51:34.000 Let's see, Car Wash Adam Cooper says, money is never wasted when it's in support of TimCast. 1.00

01:51:38.000 Be a jerk if you like no skin off my back. 1.00

01:51:40.000 Appreciate it. 1.00

01:51:40.000 Awesome. 1.00

01:51:42.000 Let's see, Barikwa Taino says, Trump was just saying he wanted Ted Cruz for the Supreme Court in his rally.

01:51:48.000 But then Texas loses Ted Cruz, you know?

01:51:51.000 So it's rough.

01:51:52.000 Yeah.

01:51:53.000 John Marafa says, concerning the passing of RBG, 1.

01:51:57.000 The popping sounds you hear are leftist heads exploding.

01:51:59.000 2.

01:52:00.000 Democrats will be galvanized to vote.

01:52:02.000 3.

01:52:02.000 Trump voters will be even more galvanized to vote.

01:52:05.000 Rip RBG.

01:52:07.000 With tremendous respect to Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you know, her family and everything, but I do think there's an interesting question about if Right.

01:52:15.000 Republicans will be galvanized versus Democrats.

01:52:18.000 And there's a good argument for both sides.

01:52:21.000 Democrats are seeing the apocalypse before their eyes.

01:52:23.000 But Trump is going to appoint someone.

01:52:25.000 They're going to get confirmed.

01:52:27.000 So the Democrats have nothing to gain.

01:52:29.000 The Republicans also don't.

01:52:31.000 I mean, if Trump appoints someone now, then the Republicans are going to be like, we won.

01:52:35.000 So if they get through, but I mean, that's the thing.

01:52:37.000 Like, do they even have enough time between now and the election to get somebody through?

01:52:40.000 And so I think if it becomes an issue, and we were talking about this before, like if it becomes an issue that people are voting on, then I think it probably does galvanize Republicans more because there are a lot of like ever anyone who's got the, the RBG t-shirts.

01:52:52.000 They're voting already.

01:52:55.000 But I think there are a lot of like, I don't know, mild-mannered dudes outside of Salt Lake who don't like Trump and don't like the way he talks, who maybe held their nose and voted for him in 2016, who are now like, oh man, I don't want Biden to put someone on the bench and I can't stand Trump, but I'll take another conservative justice.

01:53:10.000 Yeah.

01:53:10.000 I think there are more of those people than someone with an RBG t-shirt who wasn't going to vote.

01:53:15.000 Let's uh, yeah.

01:53:16.000 The people who are going to vote for RBG have already been using that as an excuse.

01:53:19.000 I think so too.

01:53:19.000 Or vote because of her.

01:53:21.000 Alright, let's see what we got.

01:53:22.000 Let's see what we got.

01:53:22.000 Let's uh, we'll try and jump down because we don't have too much time.

01:53:25.000 Felwin says a split decision effectively upholds the ruling of the lower court.

01:53:29.000 In the event of such a tie, the court typically issues what's known as a per curiam decision.

01:53:34.000 It is deemed not to have created precedent.

01:53:36.000 Interesting.

01:53:37.000 That I buy.

01:53:37.000 That makes sense.

01:53:39.000 We said a minute ago, I don't know what somebody could say that would make sense.

01:53:42.000 I buy that.

01:53:42.000 There's Latin in there too.

01:53:45.000 I buy it.

01:53:46.000 It proves it!

01:53:47.000 Skeleton King says, New York Post, campaign worker for Ilhan Omar's GOP challenger fatally shot.

01:53:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:53:54.000 It was like a kid was hanging out in front of a store and someone came up and shot him.

01:53:58.000 Yeah, he was like a 17-year-old kid.

01:53:59.000 I think he was killed in a drive-by.

01:54:00.000 I mean, I saw somebody, there's someone covered it and called it an assassination.

01:54:04.000 I don't know.

01:54:04.000 I mean, I don't know enough about it to know if it had anything to do with politics or, you know, unfortunately, he lives in a really awful area as we've seen recently in Minneapolis in terms of crime and violence and it could be tied to that.

01:54:15.000 I don't know.

01:54:15.000 It's tragic.

01:54:16.000 Obviously, he's a 17-year-old kid who lost his life and, you know, somebody made a good point when they're talking about it too and they said, Where's Black Lives Matter on this one?

01:54:24.000 I mean, where were they for David Dorn?

01:54:27.000 It's what they can use politically, I guess.

01:54:31.000 It's only when they can target an institution.

01:54:33.000 Vsidious says, Are the Democrats going to filibuster now that they just said it was racist?

01:54:40.000 Interesting.

01:54:40.000 That is very interesting.

01:54:41.000 I forgot that old Jim Crow relic, the filibuster. 0.67

01:54:46.000 Look how it comes back around potentially.

01:54:48.000 Weird.

01:54:50.000 Interesting.

01:54:51.000 I think it's probable.

01:54:53.000 Jacob Hawley says, Hey Tim, I have friends and family and they are stuck in New York and they're trying to make the best of what they have now.

01:54:59.000 But we need help badly.

01:55:01.000 So many businesses are gone.

01:55:02.000 Save Coogan's Restaurant, Brooklyn Heights.

01:55:04.000 Sorry to hear it, man.

01:55:05.000 It's a bummer.

01:55:08.000 Footlong Gaming says, Hi Tim, do you really think communists are trying to burn our country down?

01:55:13.000 Um, you're over there laughing.

01:55:15.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:55:16.000 I think so.

01:55:17.000 I'll answer that question for you.

01:55:18.000 You're just like, yeah.

01:55:19.000 I'm putting words in Tim's mouth.

01:55:20.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:55:21.000 I do think they are.

01:55:21.000 I think that's their main motivation.

01:55:23.000 I mean, I think, but I want to be careful because I'm not going to act like it's 50 billion, you know, it's like a grand cabal of like super secret, crazy, evil, whatever.

01:55:32.000 Enough troublemakers.

01:55:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:35.000 Let's see.

01:55:35.000 I don't know.

01:55:36.000 Maykai Bry says the 1934 National Firearms Act taxed suppressors, short barrel rifles,

01:55:42.000 shotguns, machine guns, etc.

01:55:44.000 The tax for purchase levied in 1934 was $200.

01:55:47.000 Armed weapons of offense or armor of defense, should we tax a right?

01:55:53.000 I don't know.

01:55:54.000 I don't think so.

01:55:55.000 Yeah, that sounds like a violation of the Second Amendment from a current reading.

01:55:59.000 Interesting, that sounds like that should go out the window.

01:56:01.000 We need lawyers. 0.91

01:56:03.000 Let's see, Val Eris says, Good job tonight, you guys. 0.94

01:56:06.000 People who still send their kids to these schools are as useless as the subjects that are being taught to them.

01:56:10.000 They may as well cast them into the sea and wait for the strongest to make it back to shore. 0.98

01:56:15.000 Trade schools.

01:56:16.000 Interesting.

01:56:17.000 Shadi Viceroy says, I find your point about how we have no purpose.

01:56:21.000 But I've noticed that people who create purpose for themselves, generally those individuals become successful.

01:56:27.000 I think so.

01:56:28.000 But I think Jordan Peterson is like helping guide people to that point, you know?

01:56:33.000 Let's see, Rob Shade says, saw it above and def agree, spin the cat.

01:56:37.000 No, we don't spin the cat. 0.88

01:56:41.000 Let's see, I want to make sure I get to some of the earlier superchats so people don't miss out.

01:56:43.000 The first superchat of the night was Matthew Hammond who said, why does the media downplay COVID originating from a Chinese lab and always add a qualifier that it is not man-made like the faked fact checks you talk about?

01:56:54.000 It can come from a lab and be from nature.

01:56:56.000 Right, so early on, there was concern that COVID was an accidental breach because they were doing research.

01:57:02.000 But Tucker Carlson just had an expert who claimed to be a whistleblower.

01:57:05.000 Now, I just think it's easier to, it is simple enough to say that China has its issues with sanitation, and if you told me that there were unsanitary conditions in a wet market that resulted in COVID, I'd be like, it's a simple solution, it is.

01:57:21.000 But I do think it's fair to point out that you can have a researcher, an actual doctor, who worked in a university say, here's what I know, and they'll say, this expert doesn't count.

01:57:30.000 Right.

01:57:30.000 But then they'll pull an American expert who didn't work in any university anywhere in China and say, but their opinion does count.

01:57:35.000 Right.

01:57:35.000 So it's like you're picking and choosing which experts make sense based on the orthodoxy.

01:57:39.000 Yeah.

01:57:40.000 As much as I don't agree with the narrative that it came from a lab until we get some hard evidence.

01:57:44.000 Right.

01:57:44.000 But I think we probably need to have enough leeway to be able to find that evidence insofar as it exists.

01:57:49.000 Exactly.

01:57:49.000 Otherwise, you know, we're just not able to have the conversation.

01:57:51.000 Right.

01:57:52.000 I thought that was me on the show.

01:57:54.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:57:55.000 Some of the earlier superchats.

01:57:56.000 Joe Strickland says, This is the worst thing that could have happened to Trump.

01:58:00.000 Now the Dems will be highly motivated.

01:58:02.000 In reference to Ruth Bader Ginsburg's passing.

01:58:03.000 I thought that was me on the show.

01:58:04.000 I was like, oh man, I mean, I might be bad, but I didn't know I was that bad.

01:58:07.000 No, Trump needs to seat a new judge ASAP. 0.65

01:58:10.000 But yeah, filibuster.

01:58:11.000 I mean, they're going to jam it up.

01:58:13.000 Yeah.

01:58:13.000 And it's going to motivate them to an absurd degree if it doesn't happen, but Republicans do.

01:58:17.000 Yeah.

01:58:18.000 And the last thought I have on that is the other thing that you've got to throw in this equation is how it's going to be covered in the media.

01:58:24.000 And so if you've got all of these crazed liberals out there pounding on doors of the Senate or whatever it is, and you've got the media making them out to be heroes, I worry that that maybe does sway some votes.

01:58:32.000 Yeah, I have no idea what's going to happen.

01:58:36.000 I think I have speculation.

01:58:38.000 I think I have my personal opinions.

01:58:40.000 And you know, it was really good that I had this conversation with my progressive friend the other day, because I was like, it's really interesting.

01:58:45.000 You know, she has her sources, I have mine.

01:58:48.000 And I'm fairly confident I know more than she does, because I read the news all day, every day.

01:58:53.000 She does as well, because she also works in the industry in some capacity.

01:58:58.000 But I'm thinking like, it was a healthy conversation for me especially.

01:59:01.000 Because it challenged some of my biases.

01:59:03.000 Oh yeah, I bet.

01:59:04.000 I got to see, yeah, so that's why I think the conversations are really important.

01:59:08.000 And that's why I have a lot of respect for, you know, there are a couple progressives, a couple leftist YouTubers that I do pop in time to time to watch, notably like David Pakman and Kyle Kalinske.

01:59:17.000 Okay, yeah.

01:59:18.000 I think I know who Kyle is, yeah.

01:59:19.000 I think Kyle's a rad dude.

01:59:20.000 I think David does a good job.

01:59:22.000 I disagree with them sometimes.

01:59:23.000 I think they get things wrong.

01:59:24.000 But I think it's important to not just only watch one channel or read one story or whatever.

01:59:31.000 You gotta do the best you can.

01:59:34.000 Josh Marston said, I know that Ruth Bader Ginsburg dying is a big deal, but we must ask ourselves a more important question.

01:59:41.000 Have you pre-ordered a PlayStation 5?

01:59:44.000 I'm actually more interested in pre-ordering the RTX 3080, you know, the graphics card, than in the PlayStation 5, but they're all sold out.

01:59:54.000 I don't have the PlayStation 5.

01:59:55.000 I'm not super worried to get a PlayStation 5 on opening, you know, release day or whatever.

01:59:59.000 Whatever, man.

02:00:00.000 If I get one, I get one, but the graphics card I need.

02:00:04.000 And so, I don't know if you know the story, but people used bots to buy, so the new graphics card comes out.

02:00:08.000 It's like really, really, it's really good.

02:00:10.000 It's fairly cost effective for a lot of people.

02:00:12.000 It's like 700 bucks for like the best graphics card.

02:00:15.000 And people used bots to buy them all out.

02:00:17.000 And so now regular, no one can get them because people were buying like 40 at a time and then putting them on eBay for two grand.

02:00:17.000 No way.

02:00:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:00:24.000 And that bothers me because I'm like, I actually need one for video editing.

02:00:27.000 And now, you know, can't get one.

02:00:27.000 Right.

02:00:30.000 But I'm not crying about it, so, you know.

02:00:32.000 Drew, are you buying one?

02:00:33.000 I don't think I'm buying one.

02:00:34.000 A PlayStation 5 or a graphics card?

02:00:36.000 I was gonna say, I don't think I'm buying either of those things, actually, I gotta be honest.

02:00:39.000 So let's say, um, Gitchy Boy says, was checking in a contractor at work, some regular dude who doesn't know me.

02:00:45.000 And he comes up to me talking about how much he's tired of rioters and establishment Democrats.

02:00:50.000 I hear that, man.

02:00:51.000 That's the other thing too.

02:00:52.000 Rioters, like there's been so much good literature about how like violent riots turn off normal people, which again, like one plus one is two.

02:00:59.000 Like these are the sort of really, really simple nonpolitical things that like, Hey, if you're, if you live in the suburbs and you're like, Hey, my favorite restaurant in the city that we go to a couple times a month, just got its windows broken in.

02:01:09.000 Yeah, I don't like that.

02:01:11.000 People don't like riots.

02:01:12.000 Yeah, shocking, right?

02:01:12.000 Who'd have thought?

02:01:13.000 And there's no escape.

02:01:15.000 I think when Trump enters that debate and he looks at Joe Biden and says, your staff bailed these people out, what's Joe Biden going to say?

02:01:22.000 Nothing.

02:01:23.000 Well, the debates won't happen, but if they did, I'll go on the record.

02:01:29.000 Come on, they scheduled them.

02:01:30.000 What's going to happen?

02:01:30.000 I don't know.

02:01:31.000 I just, I can feel it in my bones.

02:01:33.000 It's almost conspiratorial.

02:01:34.000 I have no facts, no evidence, but I do have all the screenshots for all the people who said very loudly that they have to happen.

02:01:39.000 Even the screenshots, man.

02:01:40.000 Just wait, just wait.

02:01:41.000 Unless, for some reason, Joe Biden can't do it and Kamala Harris becomes the actual candidate.

02:01:45.000 Wouldn't that be interesting?

02:01:46.000 Then it would happen.

02:01:47.000 Or wouldn't, like, if coronavirus is bad in whatever areas, like, it spikes a week or two before or something?

02:01:51.000 I don't know, man.

02:01:52.000 I get I'm getting conspiratorial here, but I don't buy that.

02:01:54.000 If it was Trump versus Kamala or even Pence-Kamala, then Trump or Pence is going to say, you solicited donations for the rioters.

02:02:01.000 That's a good point.

02:02:02.000 But she's just so much sharper on her feet than Biden.

02:02:02.000 End of story.

02:02:04.000 Oh, of course.

02:02:05.000 Of course.

02:02:05.000 But you're right.

02:02:05.000 Of course.

02:02:06.000 It's an incredible... But she's still really bad. 0.99

02:02:08.000 Like, you know, it was really transparent when she was going up in the debates against Biden.

02:02:13.000 And it was like really obvious.

02:02:15.000 She was like, hold on, Joe.

02:02:17.000 And it's like, we get it.

02:02:18.000 You're criticizing Joe Biden.

02:02:19.000 You sound like you're a doll with like someone pulling the cord in your back and a recording is coming out.

02:02:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:02:25.000 It's so true. 0.84

02:02:26.000 It's so true. 0.84

02:02:27.000 She's just so inauthentic. 0.98

02:02:30.000 That she can't escape.

02:02:31.000 Even by politician standards, right?

02:02:33.000 I'm not holding a high bar here.

02:02:36.000 Even from a former Attorney General of California turned Senator, low bar for what it takes to be authentic, she doesn't clear it.

02:02:42.000 And quite frankly, I don't think she comes all that close.

02:02:44.000 I can't read your full name, dude.

02:02:47.000 dude. Dems can't filibuster Senator Schumer use the nuclear option when he has a simple

02:02:53.000 majority. The Republicans said that they would live to regret it. Guess what? Grab your ankles

02:02:58.000 lefties. This is a very good point. Oh, family friendly. So let's see. Corajian says my aunt 0.89

02:03:06.000 has pancreatic stage four cancer.

02:03:08.000 I do not wish that nonsense on anyone.

02:03:10.000 I did not like her.

02:03:11.000 Yeah, it hurts the family.

02:03:12.000 Yeah, man, for sure.

02:03:13.000 Yep.

02:03:14.000 Let's see, Mr. BH1987 says, went to private university for two years, cost for 60k.

02:03:20.000 Thankfully only paying 20k after scholarships.

02:03:23.000 I didn't know that.

02:03:24.000 for two years trade school and I'll be making more money and enjoying my job.

02:03:24.000 No kidding.

02:03:24.000 Amazing.

02:03:28.000 Community college and trade schools are the way.

02:03:30.000 Here, here.

02:03:31.000 Did you know you don't need a high school diploma to go to community college?

02:03:33.000 I didn't know that.

02:03:34.000 You can get an associate's degree with no high school diploma or GED.

02:03:37.000 No kidding.

02:03:38.000 And then with an associate's degree, you can go to a four-year college and finish out your

02:03:41.000 four-year degree.

02:03:42.000 Amazing.

02:03:43.000 I was not aware of that.

02:03:44.000 Obviously, we didn't have time to talk about this tonight, but I think there is a crisis

02:03:47.000 in terms of too many people who shouldn't go to traditional four-year schools.

02:03:50.000 Oh, totally.

02:03:51.000 Yes.

02:03:52.000 We need so, that's the solution to the student debt crisis is we just need fewer people racking

02:03:56.000 up enormous amounts of debts getting a degree they don't need.

02:03:58.000 And then they get out and they're like, I have no job.

02:04:00.000 And then what do I do?

02:04:02.000 If we reduce the number of people who went to those schools, we would also decrease the number of people looking for those jobs, which would raise the wages of everyone and balance out the way it should have been before.

02:04:11.000 And bring down the cost they can possibly charge people.

02:04:13.000 Exactly.

02:04:14.000 Of course.

02:04:14.000 A lot of secondary care benefits.

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 Well, ladies and gentlemen, it is 10.03, so we're going to start winding it down.

02:04:19.000 Do you want to mention your social media real quick before we go?

02:04:21.000 Yeah, yeah, happy to.

02:04:22.000 So throw me a follow if you like or want to hate follow, whatever you want to do.

02:04:26.000 It's Drew Holden 360, best place to find me.

02:04:28.000 I write a little bit on the side too, and you can usually find me there or find me at The Resurgence.

02:04:32.000 Yeah, so I actually have used a couple of your threads.

02:04:34.000 You do great breakdowns of a lot of topical issues.

02:04:36.000 So if you enjoyed what he had to say, then follow him on Twitter at Drew Holden 360.

02:04:39.000 That's it, you got it.

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02:05:09.000 I work 16 hours a day. 0.77

02:05:10.000 It's ridiculous.

02:05:11.000 I kind of think we got to figure something out because I have no time to go to the bank. 0.50

02:05:15.000 I can't go to the DMV.

02:05:16.000 Yeah and so working straight through the day non-stop and then as soon as we wrap up we got to drive for three hours.

02:05:21.000 So it's work, work, work, work, work.

02:05:23.000 God bless you guys.

02:05:24.000 It's fun, man.

02:05:24.000 This was a great conversation.

02:05:26.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:05:26.000 Thanks for having me on, man.

02:05:27.000 This was an absolute blast, you guys.

02:05:29.000 Yeah, absolutely, man.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - September 18, 2020

Timcast IRL - Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died, Trump Must Now Appoint NEW SCOTUS Judge

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