Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - SEVENTEEN STATES Sign On To Texas Lawsuit Demanding Trump Win w- Jen Perelman

00:00:00.000 You My friends

00:00:28.000 Texas filed this Hail Mary lawsuit directly to the Supreme Court saying that they have

00:00:34.000 original jurisdiction for disputes between states and And immediately, many of these pro-Biden, many Democrat-leaning legal experts and analysts started saying, it's ridiculous, it's never gonna happen.

00:00:45.000 You know, we had CNN running a segment.

00:00:47.000 And then a couple other states voiced their support, saying they're getting behind Texas.

00:00:52.000 My friends, it's up to 17 states now issuing this challenge.

00:00:56.000 A third of the country questioning the results of this election.

00:01:00.000 And they're essentially saying this should be overturned and Trump should win.

00:01:04.000 Because the argument is really just four states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution.

00:01:09.000 Therefore, the state should choose, the state legislature should choose.

00:01:11.000 The state legislature are Republicans.

00:01:13.000 This would mean I guess it's very simply a Trump victory.

00:01:17.000 So this is breaking news.

00:01:18.000 We've got a lot of information coming out about this.

00:01:20.000 We also have Trump asking Ted Cruz to argue the case, and the Supreme Court might not even take it.

00:01:25.000 So we're going to talk about this.

00:01:26.000 We've got a bunch of other things to talk about.

00:01:29.000 We've got stuff about, I guess, Pope Francis backing the Great Reset.

00:01:34.000 And we have a new autonomous zone emerging.

00:01:38.000 We all know how much everyone loved the LARP farm at the original autonomous zone.

00:01:42.000 But this should be a real interesting show because we actually have a great guest, Jen Perlman, who is—you're progressive, yes?

00:01:48.000 You ran as a Democrat against Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

00:01:48.000 I am progressive.

00:01:51.000 Correct.

00:01:51.000 Very anti-establishment, though.

00:01:53.000 I am anti-establishment.

00:01:54.000 I mean, the only reason I ran as a Democrat is that's the only way to do it where I live, all right?

00:01:58.000 I am with them by name, all right?

00:02:00.000 So this isn't like a—it's not my philosophy.

00:02:03.000 It's nothing establishment.

00:02:04.000 But I am for policies.

00:02:07.000 I am for whatever is going to create a better collective.

00:02:10.000 And the best way for me to do that, where I live, is unfortunately through the party.

00:02:14.000 That's just the way it is.

00:02:16.000 I mean, the same is true for Trump.

00:02:17.000 He's not a Republican in the way these other Republicans have been, but he used the party.

00:02:21.000 And same thing for Bernie Sanders, too.

00:02:23.000 So this will be interesting, too.

00:02:24.000 We were having a lot of really great conversations before the show even started and, you know, anti-woke, I guess.

00:02:28.000 Is that fair to say?

00:02:29.000 Yeah, I am anti-woke.

00:02:32.000 That's a problem because I think a lot of people that probably listen to you have this vision of the left, the woke left.

00:02:38.000 And I feel like I need to represent the actual left and let you know that that woke left is not us.

00:02:47.000 Fighting for legitimacy.

00:02:49.000 Who is the real left?

00:02:51.000 I'm left on policy.

00:02:53.000 So when you want to say who's the real left, the people that are fighting for a $15 minimum wage, Medicare for all, getting out of the regime change wars, the people that are standing up for what would be the Labor Party, which is non-existent.

00:03:06.000 So that's the actual left.

00:03:09.000 The people that are the Democrats, that's not the left.

00:03:12.000 No, they're weird, corporate.

00:03:14.000 They are, at best, center.

00:03:16.000 Like, if you were to take a typical, you know, centrist Democrat in any other country, that's not the left.

00:03:22.000 Maybe the better way to put it is the Democrats just say whatever they think will get them the most votes.

00:03:26.000 Well, that's for sure.

00:03:27.000 Yeah.

00:03:27.000 That's for sure.

00:03:28.000 And the candidates do it too.

00:03:29.000 Many Republicans, like most of them actually.

00:03:32.000 So we'll jump into a lot, and we'll talk about the news, and then we'll get into a bunch of policy stuff.

00:03:36.000 It'll be fun.

00:03:36.000 We also have Luke Rudkowski, who lives here now, I guess, so he's on the show.

00:03:40.000 In your parking lot.

00:03:41.000 Hi.

00:03:42.000 My political ideology most aligns with Ron Swanson on steroids, and I run wearechanged.org.

00:03:49.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:03:50.000 Or probably Ron Paul.

00:03:51.000 Well, it depends.

00:03:52.000 You put a picture of Ron Paul on my Christmas tree.

00:03:55.000 He's a star and an angel.

00:03:57.000 I like him.

00:03:58.000 I like him.

00:03:59.000 Wow.

00:03:59.000 No, he is where we meet on the other end.

00:04:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:02.000 I mean, Ron Paul's awesome.

00:04:03.000 Everyone we've had on the show agrees.

00:04:04.000 It's interesting, too, because I lean left on a lot of policy issues, but I think Ron Paul's great because he's a libertarian, you know?

00:04:09.000 Ian's chillin' in the wonderful... Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

00:04:15.000 Preach, yes.

00:04:17.000 Was it Jekyll Island, is that what it's called?

00:04:19.000 Yeah, where they wrote it up, yeah.

00:04:21.000 Woodrow Wilson.

00:04:23.000 Lydia is producing.

00:04:23.000 Yeah, I'm trying to give you guys a sneak peek, sorry about that.

00:04:26.000 Okay, so if you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to Notification Bell, live Monday through Friday at 8pm, thanks for hanging out.

00:04:32.000 This is going to be interesting, we're going to have a conversation about what's going on with Trump in this election.

00:04:37.000 I have this story from Reuters.

00:04:39.000 Check this out.

00:04:40.000 Trump and 17 states back Texas bid to undo his election loss at the Supreme Court.

00:04:45.000 Reuters reports, President Donald Trump and 17 U.S.

00:04:48.000 states on Wednesday threw their support behind a long-shot lawsuit by Texas seeking to overturn his election loss by asking the U.S.

00:04:55.000 Supreme Court to throw out the voting results in four states.

00:04:59.000 Trump defeated by President-elect Joe Biden in the November 3rd election, filed a motion with the court asking the nine justices to let him intervene and become a plaintiff in the suit filed on Tuesday by Republican-governed Texas against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

00:05:14.000 If the justices let Trump join the lawsuit, it would create the extraordinary circumstance of a sitting U.S.

00:05:20.000 president asking the top court to decide that the millions of votes cast in the four states did not count.

00:05:26.000 The Republican president lost to Biden in the four election battleground states after winning them in the 2016 election.

00:05:32.000 Writing on Twitter, Trump said, this is the big one.

00:05:35.000 Our country needs a victory.

00:05:37.000 In a separate brief, lawyers for 17 states led by Missouri's Republican Attorney General Eric Schmidt also urged the justices to hear the case.

00:05:45.000 Election law experts have said the Texas lawsuit stands little chance of success and lacks legal merit.

00:05:51.000 And I will add as well, We actually had a Trump-supporting lawyer on the show, Will Chamberlain, the other day, who also didn't think it was going to make it.

00:05:58.000 So, take that with a grain of salt.

00:05:59.000 I know a lot of people are excited by this, and I think, outside of that, there's political ramifications as to why I think they will end up taking this, but I'm not a lawyer.

00:06:06.000 Reuters goes on to say, the lawsuit, the latest in a series of election challenges brought by Trump's campaign and supporters that, so far, have failed in numerous courts, was brought by Ken Paxton, the Republican Attorney General of Texas and an ally of the President.

00:06:18.000 Here we go.

00:06:19.000 In addition to Missouri, the states joining Texas were Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia.

00:06:31.000 All of the states were represented by Republican officials in the filing.

00:06:34.000 All but three of the states have Republican governors.

00:06:37.000 They go on to say Trump has made false statements, etc, etc, but I think we got the gist of the story.

00:06:41.000 And I'm just gonna say, I wouldn't be surprised if the other Republican states, of which I think by state houses we have, what, 29 states that are Republican?

00:06:52.000 I don't see why they all wouldn't sign on either, except I think, you know, uh, the states that are actually being sued who are Republican as well.

00:06:58.000 So that means there's 25 states that could potentially sign on supporting this lawsuit.

00:07:02.000 Now, as of right now, my understanding is they've just filed for leave, which means they're asking permission to sue.

00:07:09.000 We'll see if it happens, but, um, this is kind of crazy.

00:07:12.000 The president is joining Republican states suing four states that went for Biden in order to win the election.

00:07:22.000 Is this civil war?

00:07:25.000 It's not civil war, but this is one third of the United States saying that they are contesting the election.

00:07:30.000 This is significant and we'll see how it plays out in the Supreme Court.

00:07:34.000 A lot of people have their different opinions on this, but this shows you how this country is divided and how this divide is going to keep growing.

00:07:41.000 Very bad.

00:07:42.000 I mean, it's, you know, look, years ago I was talking about the violence in the streets, Antifa, Proud Boys and stuff, and people were saying, you know, I was like, I feel like we're on the trajectory for a civil war.

00:07:42.000 Yes.

00:07:52.000 I feel like it's possible because you have growing tribal factions, you have the culture war, which became political when it reached, you know, politicians.

00:07:59.000 Then we started seeing, you know, populist left, populist right getting into positions, federal positions, getting elected.

00:08:06.000 So now it's in government, now it's in the presidency, now it's in the Supreme Court, and now you have the states lining up.

00:08:12.000 This is crazy.

00:08:12.000 Earlier today, I was like, when you have five states, you know, lining up against four states, we're starting to see the states draw those lines.

00:08:19.000 This to me is nuts.

00:08:21.000 If 17 states are basically saying Joe Biden shouldn't be president, what happens if Joe Biden becomes president?

00:08:26.000 How are these states going to function?

00:08:28.000 We also had the Oath Keepers, the largest militia in the country. 0.68

00:08:31.000 Their founder said, what's his name?

00:08:35.000 Stuart Rhodes.

00:08:35.000 Rhodes.

00:08:37.000 He said that half the country will not view anything out of Joe Biden's mouth as legitimate, that he's not the president.

00:08:45.000 So this is getting spicy.

00:08:46.000 Well, there's going to be a lot of Tenth Amendment arguments and a lot of sheriffs and a lot of local politicians kind of trying to stand their ground.

00:08:52.000 And we're going to have another big battle, as we've seen under the Bill Clinton presidency, between the states and the big federal government, where we saw large incidences like Waco and Ruby Ridge.

00:09:02.000 I mean, a lot of people are talking about the worst of the worst.

00:09:05.000 I don't know.

00:09:06.000 Some people are trying to be more pragmatic, saying maybe it won't be that bad.

00:09:09.000 Just from your kind of expertise politically, how do you see these things moving forward?

00:09:13.000 Because some people are saying there's going to be a big clash.

00:09:15.000 There's going to be a big fight.

00:09:16.000 Some people are saying, well, no one's really going to care.

00:09:18.000 Everyone's going to go back to normal.

00:09:19.000 How do you see it from your kind of political expertise?

00:09:22.000 I think that right now everybody is anticipating the worst possible scenario.

00:09:27.000 I think, first of all, it's very fear-based thinking, and that's something that we all like to do.

00:09:30.000 I think people are very into their labels.

00:09:32.000 They're very into teams.

00:09:33.000 This is very tribalist.

00:09:35.000 And so people are sort of doubling down.

00:09:37.000 Now, do those same people have the actual, you know, wherewithal to follow up with that, to actually do something?

00:09:43.000 Does this actually go anywhere?

00:09:45.000 Does this hit the streets?

00:09:45.000 Does this become... I don't know.

00:09:47.000 Like, I don't think so.

00:09:49.000 I think that depending on what happens with this legally will kind of determine where it goes.

00:09:53.000 And yet there's going to always be a contingency of people that are going to say this is illegitimate.

00:09:58.000 Well, you voted for Biden.

00:10:00.000 I did.

00:10:00.000 Not proud of it.

00:10:02.000 Not proud of it.

00:10:03.000 And again, it's one of those things like I am not the person that's going to stand here and argue for that.

00:10:08.000 It wasn't... I could just as easily have not.

00:10:11.000 I went back and forth.

00:10:12.000 It wasn't... This was not an easy choice.

00:10:15.000 It's not something I'm proud of.

00:10:16.000 I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary in 2016.

00:10:18.000 I didn't either.

00:10:20.000 And I think it's because on policy issues, I lean left.

00:10:22.000 On a lot of policy issues.

00:10:23.000 So did you go... I voted Green in 2016.

00:10:25.000 I voted for Trump.

00:10:26.000 Oh, in 2016, I didn't vote.

00:10:28.000 I put my feet up on the desk.

00:10:29.000 I was hanging out.

00:10:30.000 Do you know Cassandra Fairbanks?

00:10:31.000 She's still a Trump supporter, right?

00:10:31.000 No.

00:10:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:34.000 But, uh, I was hanging out with her.

00:10:36.000 She used to, she was a progressive like that, I think that year, right?

00:10:39.000 2016.

00:10:39.000 And then she flipped because I think a lot of, because of the wokeness.

00:10:43.000 She, it went from her being as big activists, supporting progressive causes and social justice issues to being attacked because I guess they call her passing white, even though she's, you know, part Puerto Rican or whatever.

00:10:54.000 So she ends up becoming a Trump supporter.

00:10:55.000 I'm hanging out with her.

00:10:56.000 I put my feet up on a desk.

00:10:57.000 I'm just laughing.

00:10:58.000 As, as the results come in, seeing Hillary Clinton lose, it was like, it was comeuppance for the democratic party for the dirty games they played.

00:11:04.000 Oh, I never supported her.

00:11:05.000 There was no universe when I was voting for Hillary Clinton.

00:11:07.000 That wasn't happening.

00:11:08.000 I mean, it really came down to for me in that election, I voted green.

00:11:13.000 I'm always, as opposed to abstaining, you know, any support of third parties, if we can get third parties to get 5%.

00:11:19.000 So really, that was, and you know, Jill Stein was fine.

00:11:22.000 Like I didn't, you know.

00:11:24.000 If I could ask you, what was the determining factor that made you vote for Biden but not for Hillary?

00:11:29.000 What was that decision?

00:11:30.000 Because it's interesting to really deep dive into these things and understand what went behind this.

00:11:35.000 Okay, so like I said, I am about the policies.

00:11:39.000 I despise both of those people in terms of policy.

00:11:42.000 I have no delusion about Joe Biden.

00:11:46.000 Really, what it came down to for me was when Trump basically signaled to the Proud Boys—and again, it's theater and it's hyperbole.

00:11:54.000 I'm not saying like, oh, he hurt my feelings.

00:11:56.000 This isn't that.

00:11:57.000 I'm not those people.

00:11:57.000 And when he indicated that he wouldn't support a peaceful transition of power.

00:12:01.000 And that is a problem for me because there's something I do believe in is our Constitution.

00:12:05.000 So I take that seriously.

00:12:07.000 So when it comes to a lot of things, I am very live and let live.

00:12:10.000 The fact that he was seemingly to me directly threatening basically the foundation of the what is our process.

00:12:18.000 That was not OK with me.

00:12:20.000 I never it was never about Joe Biden.

00:12:26.000 Don't you think Hillary Clinton did that and the Democrats did that?

00:12:29.000 I know you're not a big fan of the establishment politicians, but you know, for four years, I guess the argument from the right is for four years, they accused Trump of literally being an agent of Russia.

00:12:38.000 They spent $30 million doing this investigation, which turned out nothing.

00:12:42.000 They ended up going after, I think the prosecution of Michael Flynn is nightmarish when you look at all the details.

00:12:47.000 And then so Trump basically is like, why am I going to give them the courtesy that they didn't give me?

00:12:52.000 I agree, but this is one of those whataboutism things, right?

00:12:55.000 So I'm, as an adult, I am dealing with what I have in front of me right now.

00:13:00.000 I have never supported Hillary Clinton.

00:13:02.000 I find her despicable for so many reasons.

00:13:04.000 Like, I could write a dissertation. 0.99

00:13:06.000 I wonder if everyone's cheering in the chat right now, like, Hillary's awful, everybody hates her. 1.00

00:13:09.000 No, she's horrible. 1.00

00:13:10.000 She's a horrible person. 1.00

00:13:11.000 I think we all agree on that. 1.00

00:13:12.000 Yeah, no, she is a horrible person. 1.00

00:13:15.000 I find her infinitely more nefarious than I find Joe Biden. 0.99

00:13:21.000 I find him more hapless.

00:13:23.000 I find him just, he's just a tool.

00:13:26.000 He's an establishment tool.

00:13:27.000 I find Hillary to be quite nefarious. 1.00

00:13:29.000 But Kamala Harris is the actual candidate.

00:13:31.000 Kamala is Hillary.

00:13:32.000 Right, right.

00:13:33.000 So you voted for Kamala.

00:13:35.000 I didn't.

00:13:36.000 And I plan on spending the next four years of my life, like, making sure that there's a really decent primary challenge.

00:13:40.000 I mean, I and I have been very clear that there is no universe.

00:13:44.000 See, for the same reason I find Hillary nefarious, I find Kamala nefarious. 1.00

00:13:48.000 I don't find Joe Biden nefarious.

00:13:50.000 And if he's the pause button, like I view him as the pause button.

00:13:54.000 Well, we still need to get our stuff in order.

00:13:58.000 The ship, the ship.

00:13:59.000 We have to right our ship.

00:14:02.000 But we do, and it's a serious problem.

00:14:04.000 So no, and I don't see him as solving anything.

00:14:06.000 But I think, come on, Joe Biden's on the way out.

00:14:09.000 I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but Nancy Pelosi, you know, created that commission or whatever of presidents. 0.98

00:14:15.000 Also on her way out.

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 Well, yeah, I certainly hope so.

00:14:18.000 I can't believe that she keeps winning.

00:14:20.000 But anyway, she creates this commission about removing a president if they're not cognitively fit or whatever. 1.00

00:14:25.000 And everyone's like, you're trying to get rid of Trump.

00:14:27.000 And she goes, no, no, it's for a future president.

00:14:29.000 No, no, no.

00:14:29.000 They're wanting to install Kamala.

00:14:31.000 That's that's been their goal for the past four years.

00:14:33.000 They were sticking her there one way or the other.

00:14:35.000 I mean, Biden even talked about I won't.

00:14:37.000 I can't even say that I wouldn't necessarily.

00:14:39.000 I really can't say again like when I made that decision.

00:14:42.000 This is not something where I'm again like I wish I could tell you I defend that and this.

00:14:46.000 I don't.

00:14:47.000 I really don't.

00:14:48.000 It really could have been a coin toss on the day that I did it.

00:14:51.000 You know I don't.

00:14:53.000 I hear you saying I've met a lot of people.

00:14:55.000 One of the stories I tell a lot is I was in I went on Glenn Beck's show.

00:14:58.000 I was in Texas.

00:14:59.000 Where is he in Austin or something.

00:15:00.000 And I was in an Uber on the way to the studio and the guy was driving was the child of immigrants. 1.00

00:15:05.000 He asked me what I was doing.

00:15:07.000 I said I was going to Glenn Beck.

00:15:08.000 And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, politics and stuff like that.

00:15:09.000 And he's like, so you're a Trump supporter?

00:15:11.000 At the time, I was like, no, no, I think the media lies about him.

00:15:13.000 I don't think he's that bad, but I'm not.

00:15:15.000 And he was like, yeah, he said I voted for him.

00:15:18.000 And, you know, man, I just wish he would stop talking and stop tweeting the way he does, because it's like it's hard to defend sometimes, you know.

00:15:25.000 Yeah.

00:15:25.000 And I'm like, this is a regular guy who's driving Uber who likes the president but is having an issue with the

00:15:29.000 president's character and the things he says, particularly around like, you know, we'll see what happens with the

00:15:34.000 election and stuff.

00:15:35.000 I personally don't think it was the most bombastic thing he said in terms of we'll see how it plays out.

00:15:40.000 You know, not a peaceful transition or whatever.

00:15:42.000 We'll sue. And now it's certainly not a, a, well, I don't know if it's you can't call it peaceful.

00:15:47.000 It's not smooth.

00:15:48.000 It's going through the courts or whatever.

00:15:49.000 We don't know yet.

00:15:50.000 The truth is we don't know what's going to happen come, you know, what is it, January 21st?

00:15:55.000 I'm kind of scared.

00:15:58.000 I don't think there's a way out.

00:15:59.000 I don't think, look.

00:16:00.000 Well, he keeps building the fence higher.

00:16:02.000 Well, oh yeah, but that's a meme too.

00:16:04.000 The wall just got two feet higher.

00:16:07.000 Joe Biden's son is now, they're announcing this, what is this, that they've said that he's under tax investigation?

00:16:15.000 I mean, there's so much there, and it's crazy that this story broke.

00:16:18.000 Of course it was an October surprise, and Twitter suppresses it, Facebook suppresses it, the big news outlets won't cover it.

00:16:25.000 And now we get this video, I don't know if you saw the video where there's a Chinese professor, Di Dongsheng, where he basically said, the Bidens are compromised.

00:16:32.000 And he was like, who do you think got Hunter Biden all that money?

00:16:35.000 So I look at, you know, Donald Trump and I see the peace agreements that have come through in the past several months.

00:16:40.000 I like it.

00:16:41.000 He's trying to withdraw the troops from Afghanistan and he's being blocked by both Democrats and Republicans.

00:16:46.000 I don't like the establishment.

00:16:46.000 And my congressperson couldn't get behind that.

00:16:48.000 So I understand that.

00:16:49.000 And that's somebody with a nice big D behind her name. 1.00

00:16:51.000 She couldn't support withdrawing from Afghanistan.

00:16:53.000 Why?

00:16:54.000 She couldn't even get behind reducing the Pentagon budget by 10%.

00:16:57.000 This is Debbie Wasserman Schultz. 0.73

00:16:58.000 Oh, she's awful. 0.64

00:16:59.000 She's Hillary Junior. 0.99

00:17:00.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:17:01.000 So, you know, when people start looking at the letters, I would urge them to look at the policy choices.

00:17:06.000 I am actually fearful that a Joe Biden presidency is, yeah, he's hapless, but he's going to sell us out.

00:17:13.000 Like the Obama administration, you're familiar with the Trans-Pacific Partnership, I'd imagine.

00:17:18.000 Yes, I know the TPP.

00:17:19.000 And I imagine you're opposed to it.

00:17:21.000 Of course.

00:17:21.000 But Joe Biden's going to bring us all back into that stuff.

00:17:23.000 Of course.

00:17:24.000 But I also think, and I hope, that he gets us back into the Iran deal. 0.93

00:17:29.000 Because for the same reasons that I was applauding Trump in terms of when he was going into North Korea, and of course the Democrats were all, you know, they were trying, they attack him from the right all the time.

00:17:37.000 It's infuriating.

00:17:38.000 We'll see.

00:17:39.000 As the true left, because I'm the left, we don't like that.

00:17:42.000 They're going to Tulsi Gabbard you.

00:17:44.000 You're attacking him for the sake of attacking him.

00:17:45.000 You're attacking him on a few things that we might actually come to agreement on.

00:17:49.000 And so I do like the idea of getting back into the Iran deal. 0.52

00:17:53.000 That is something that I support.

00:17:54.000 So you know he in the similar way was going to undo everything Obama did.

00:17:58.000 They're going to Tulsi Gabbard you.

00:18:00.000 Call you right wing and all this stuff.

00:18:02.000 They can't except for my policy speak to the complete left.

00:18:04.000 They don't care! 0.92

00:18:06.000 Well, you know, I guess it depends on who you say are they.

00:18:09.000 Who's they?

00:18:09.000 The media establishment and the Democratic establishment.

00:18:11.000 They ignore me anyway.

00:18:12.000 The truth is, and here's, you want to know if something ever was going to protect me?

00:18:16.000 Is that what benefits Debbie Wasserman Schultz best is if I'm completely ghosted.

00:18:20.000 If my name comes up and I come up, then that's going to draw attention to that race, to that district, to her, and that never benefits her.

00:18:27.000 So I am more at risk of being completely ghosted than I am of being trashed.

00:18:32.000 Luke once yelled at Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

00:18:34.000 Yes, we asked her some very serious questions about Obama's kill list, which she told me face-to-face didn't exist.

00:18:40.000 This was big news, though, because everyone knew it existed.

00:18:43.000 The New York Times said it existed.

00:18:45.000 Obama was signing off every Tuesday on who they were going to kill, and then she's like, that's not a real thing.

00:18:50.000 And everybody was like, whoa, she's lying.

00:18:52.000 And she was the head of the DNC, and she of course, and people forget, she had to resign in disgrace from the DNC. 0.92

00:18:58.000 Oh, but our district re-elected her. 1.00

00:19:00.000 Yes, and then Hillary Clinton took her under her claws right afterwards and literally brought her in. 1.00

00:19:07.000 Claws with a W or AU.

00:19:08.000 I'm not even going to get in there.

00:19:11.000 Brought her in and gave her a job right away. 0.98

00:19:13.000 She's protected.

00:19:15.000 Deputy Washington Shultz isn't a fan of mine either, but there's a lot to learn from each other.

00:19:20.000 It's interesting to see this kind of duplicity.

00:19:22.000 One side wants a peace deal with North Korea, but doesn't want one with Iran.

00:19:26.000 The other side is completely the opposite.

00:19:28.000 That's just because they're trying to undo each other.

00:19:30.000 Why can't we just have a peaceful, non-interventionist American foreign policy, which every President keeps promising us George W Bush Barack Obama, you know, it's popular Trump.

00:19:40.000 No, it's popular.

00:19:41.000 It's the military industrial, right?

00:19:42.000 Right, right.

00:19:43.000 They're all beholden.

00:19:44.000 But why do they keep campaigning on it?

00:19:46.000 We're gonna end these forever war because they know that that is what's popular.

00:19:50.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:19:50.000 People don't want to be in George W. Bush promised to be a non-interventionist president.

00:19:55.000 So did Barack Obama.

00:19:56.000 So did Donald Trump.

00:19:57.000 Donald Trump, I mean, there's an argument to make here because he's quasi-globalist, quasi-nationalist.

00:20:02.000 But he's the only one that hasn't started a war out of all.

00:20:04.000 That's very true.

00:20:06.000 And he broke the long time cycle for decades now of starting a new war, which does have to be kind of looked at, even though he kind of came close to it with Iran.

00:20:15.000 You're the perfect example of, I think, why Trump supporters need to do better outreach to the left, because there's probably, there's a lot you've praised Trump for.

00:20:23.000 I, you know what, I see him, no, because I don't just hate him because I hate him, right?

00:20:28.000 Like, I don't have that.

00:20:30.000 Look, I'm not a Republican.

00:20:31.000 I don't generally support their policies.

00:20:33.000 I don't support their platform.

00:20:34.000 I'm about policy, right?

00:20:35.000 So their policies are not, do not speak to me.

00:20:38.000 Um, but I don't just slam him for just because to slam him, but he also did the same thing with the Obama stuff.

00:20:45.000 He went and tried to just undo everything Obama did just to stick it to him.

00:20:49.000 So what you're dealing with is a massive amount of man, baby egos.

00:20:52.000 And now Biden's going to do the same thing, but I was going to wonder.

00:20:57.000 No, Joe Biden is going to be put in his wheelchair, wheeled into the sunroom with a blanket on his lap, and he's going to fall asleep.

00:21:03.000 Globalist, whatever.

00:21:04.000 He's the front man, he's the suit man.

00:21:06.000 But I was going to ask you, what qualities of Donald Trump did you like?

00:21:10.000 I like that he's anti-establishment.

00:21:11.000 I like that he's not part of the machine.

00:21:13.000 Now, he is part of his whole own machine.

00:21:15.000 He is absolutely part of what I would consider to be the oligarchic class.

00:21:18.000 He is definitely part of that level of corporate establishment.

00:21:22.000 He is definitely of the haves and not the have-nots.

00:21:25.000 His interests are definitely not the same as the interests of the majority of people that I would say I would represent as a constituency.

00:21:31.000 So he is not somebody that I would support, but the things that most people dislike about him generally don't bother

00:21:38.000 me.

00:21:38.000 I don't care about his mean tweets. I don't care about his ridiculous nonsense.

00:21:42.000 But what that does do is it distracts people for the same reason we're talking about the wrestling thing. 0.98

00:21:46.000 And there are people that don't see it as hyperbolic.

00:21:49.000 And that concerns me.

00:21:50.000 And they weren't talking about real issues.

00:21:52.000 They were talking about ice cream, toilet paper, Russiagate.

00:21:55.000 Meanwhile, distracting us from the real, actual issues.

00:21:57.000 The banksters, the corporatism.

00:22:00.000 None of that was discussed at all.

00:22:01.000 You could have legitimately had some real criticism against Donald Trump, but you never had that at all.

00:22:05.000 No, my issues with him are policy-based.

00:22:07.000 And when he's done things that I haven't found objectionable, I've always been pretty vocal about.

00:22:12.000 I've never pretended that I don't hate him. 0.98

00:22:15.000 And that has actually gotten me a lot of crap. 0.97

00:22:18.000 That's okay, right? 0.98

00:22:20.000 That has gotten me a lot.

00:22:21.000 From the left that you're speaking of, and the establishment, and specifically in our district.

00:22:26.000 Because I don't hate him enough.

00:22:28.000 You know what I've noticed?

00:22:29.000 A lot of the leftists, like the non-woke ones, refer to the woke left as the neolibs, neoliberals.

00:22:37.000 And then on the right they just say the left or leftists.

00:22:39.000 And I'd like for people to understand there is a big difference.

00:22:41.000 I feel like as somebody who's the actual left, we are fighting a war on two fronts, right?

00:22:48.000 Like we're fighting, and we actually spend more time fighting our own people.

00:22:51.000 We don't have to fight Republicans.

00:22:53.000 We can't get past our own selves.

00:22:56.000 And so the people that are the actual, and we're constantly being viewed by people like

00:23:01.000 you're probably a lot of your audience as the same.

00:23:05.000 No, we're not the same, right?

00:23:06.000 Like, very nuanced.

00:23:07.000 To an extent, I would say yes.

00:23:09.000 But I think Trump, a lot of Trump supporters really like the anti-woke, anti-establishment left, you know, people like Jimmy Dore, for instance, or people like you, actually.

00:23:17.000 So if you come out and say, before I start this conversation, I want to say two things.

00:23:21.000 And I'm not saying this literally, I'm just saying this figuratively. 0.94

00:23:24.000 I'm on the left, but I think Hillary Clinton is completely despicable. 1.00

00:23:27.000 They're going to be like, OK, OK, let's have a conversation. 0.53

00:23:29.000 We can start from there, right?

00:23:30.000 We agree on the establishment being awful.

00:23:32.000 Yeah, well, because what we're talking about now is you're talking about literal politics.

00:23:36.000 And that's a circus to me.

00:23:39.000 I'm concerned about policy.

00:23:40.000 This is the kind of conversation I think is the biggest threat to the establishment.

00:23:44.000 Yeah.

00:23:45.000 They don't want us all being friends.

00:23:47.000 Right.

00:23:47.000 Oh, I know.

00:23:48.000 So it's really funny when I see, you know, Jimmy Dore, who's very left on a lot of issues.

00:23:52.000 He was tweeting about Medicare for all and things like that.

00:23:55.000 And the criticisms he has of the Democrats, same as me, same as probably everybody in this room.

00:24:00.000 And that's bad for the machine.

00:24:01.000 I think Trump ran as a Republican because it was his path to entry.

00:24:06.000 Same as many progressives run as Democrats as their path to entry.

00:24:09.000 But Trump does not function the same way the establishment machine did.

00:24:12.000 It was Democrats and Republicans, they were the same thing.

00:24:14.000 Trump got in, and he put a boot to the behind of many of these people, and so you saw the Never-Trumpers flee to the Democratic Party.

00:24:20.000 All of a sudden, now we have these... Which isn't a stretch, though.

00:24:22.000 And that's the thing that we need to be very clear on, because the Democratic Party is basically very moderate.

00:24:28.000 They're the same thing.

00:24:29.000 Yeah, they are.

00:24:30.000 They're corporate.

00:24:31.000 I think they pretend to have issues they care about.

00:24:35.000 They'll tell you, oh, you're a Republican?

00:24:36.000 I'm pro-life just like you!

00:24:38.000 And then they'll sell you out at a moment's notice.

00:24:40.000 The Democrats will tell you they're for your policy and then ignore you as soon as they get elected.

00:24:43.000 So Trump gets in, and it's amazing to see the Lincoln Project, right, these Republicans, all of a sudden supporting Democrat candidates.

00:24:50.000 And I'm like, you're not Republicans, you're not conservatives, you're not, you're just, I call them the keys to the castle Democrats, or keys to the castle politicians.

00:24:58.000 Give me the keys, I'll say whatever you want to say, and then I'm going to go inside, lock the door, and just take the money and do whatever I want.

00:25:04.000 That's where we're at for the most part.

00:25:06.000 Corporatists.

00:25:07.000 That's what they all are.

00:25:08.000 That's the common denominator.

00:25:10.000 They all work for the same employer.

00:25:12.000 If you were to follow the money trail from all these people, and while Trump has not been a traditional Republican, he has towed that line, too.

00:25:18.000 He has definitely fallen in line with what I refer to as what I call the deep state.

00:25:22.000 You think he has?

00:25:25.000 I think that he has not pulled us out of the wars that he has said he was going to pull us out of.

00:25:30.000 Why?

00:25:30.000 Well, hold on, hold on.

00:25:31.000 You know that— And I mean continuously.

00:25:33.000 He first started with the, we're going to get out of Syria. 0.98

00:25:36.000 And then that never happened.

00:25:37.000 But you know that was because he was lied to.

00:25:39.000 So this is a story that came out from Defense One.

00:25:42.000 A federal official bragged about lying to Trump and the American people about how many troops we had in Syria in order to inflate the number so Trump couldn't pull them out.

00:25:52.000 Okay, so let me then just say this.

00:25:53.000 The buck stops with him.

00:25:55.000 So whatever the reason is that led him to where he is, that's where we are, right?

00:25:59.000 So he's had- He did hire Bolton.

00:26:01.000 He hired John Bolton.

00:26:02.000 I rag on that all the time.

00:26:05.000 But you know, not like Pompeo as much.

00:26:07.000 Gina Haspel.

00:26:07.000 I mean, these are not people- Well, he's trying to fire her!

00:26:10.000 How many people did he kill in his escalated drone war?

00:26:14.000 How many people did Trump kill?

00:26:15.000 We don't know because they stopped the reporting.

00:26:17.000 So no new wars, but he killed countless people with drones.

00:26:21.000 The Trump administration stopped the accountability and the counting of the drone strikes, so we don't know.

00:26:26.000 So he did get us in a new war.

00:26:27.000 It was a drone war.

00:26:28.000 No, no, no.

00:26:28.000 He just escalated.

00:26:29.000 He escalated the drone war.

00:26:31.000 Yes, but my understanding is that was under Bolton.

00:26:33.000 That was under Trump.

00:26:34.000 No, no.

00:26:35.000 So when he hired Bolton, Bolton was like, we're going to blow everything up.

00:26:38.000 Yeah, but again, buck stops where?

00:26:39.000 It's true. 1.00

00:26:40.000 No, Trump hired a bunch of dumb people and he's come to regret it. 1.00

00:26:43.000 Now Bolton's throwing him under the bus. 1.00

00:26:45.000 I hear it from a lot of Trump supporters who have said, Trump, who was it who said this?

00:26:49.000 Trump should have done the one thing he's famous for, fire people.

00:26:53.000 He didn't do it.

00:26:53.000 Well, and so that to me was him basically paying homage Yes!

00:26:57.000 to the military industrial complex and the establishment and that is it. Look he's had

00:27:01.000 three years and but I will tell you this I had a very big moment where I actually turned to my

00:27:05.000 television while he was speaking by myself and I said thank you sir for your good candor because

00:27:09.000 he actually made a comment as to we were in Syria for the oil. Yes. And I remember he said it in

00:27:14.000 like mid-sentence I turned around like thank you thank you for that. But

00:27:19.000 But I kind of feel like, you know, Trump tried to remove all of our troops out of Syria, and Democrats and Republicans revolted.

00:27:25.000 He tried to remove all of our troops from Afghanistan, and Democrats and Republicans blocked him.

00:27:29.000 Yes.

00:27:30.000 So I kind of felt like when he said, he said two things.

00:27:33.000 He's coming out of the White House, there's a helicopter, you know, noise, and they're like, you know, how's it going?

00:27:37.000 And he goes, we got a really great deal.

00:27:39.000 We're going to sell Saudi Arabia tons of weapons, make billions of dollars.

00:27:42.000 Kid picture.

00:27:43.000 Yes.

00:27:44.000 Remember that?

00:27:44.000 He had pictures of the airplanes.

00:27:46.000 All of the anti-war progressives' jaws dropped and they're like, he just said it.

00:27:51.000 I was so pleased.

00:27:52.000 He just admitted.

00:27:52.000 I know, I was laughing.

00:27:53.000 I was clapping for it.

00:27:55.000 Well, I mean, I thought the pictures, the ABAs was a little over the top.

00:27:55.000 I was so pleased.

00:28:00.000 But like, well, it was sort of like how a little kid would draw, demonstrate, this is what we're doing.

00:28:04.000 I feel like he's doing it on purpose because, so when he said that we're keeping 200 troops in Syria, they're guarding the oil, it's great.

00:28:12.000 I was so pleased.

00:28:13.000 But they blocked him and they lied to him.

00:28:16.000 I wonder if Trump was like, all right, I'm going to tell everybody exactly why we had to keep these troops in here, because he wants to get them out.

00:28:22.000 See, I think that any president that actually really does go to do that, I don't think makes it.

00:28:29.000 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 And that's, and that's just, see, I think that anybody that were to really threaten the existence of our military industrial complex wouldn't, wouldn't live.

00:28:38.000 I mean, I just, and the only president that I know of that has done that got, got dead.

00:28:38.000 That's just me.

00:28:43.000 The problem is they live at the White House, right in the belly of the beast.

00:28:46.000 They'd have to go to Russia under the protection of some foreign country if they were going to defy the CIA.

00:28:50.000 But then someone would step in and say, aha, he fled, he's illegitimate, we're taking control.

00:28:53.000 It's still the only way to survive if you're going to go against the I think Trump was really naive when he first got elected.

00:28:59.000 He assumed that he was in charge and he was going to be able to play ball with these establishment crony individuals.

00:29:07.000 And they put so many knives in that man's back.

00:29:11.000 But that's the nature of the game.

00:29:12.000 That's that job.

00:29:14.000 He wasn't expecting to win.

00:29:16.000 I mean, I don't think he really wanted that job.

00:29:18.000 I think he was doing it because they basically threatened him that you can't do it.

00:29:21.000 He's like, I'm going to show you.

00:29:22.000 I would say one of the most important things that Trump did when he did first go into office is he stopped arming the rebels inside of Syria, whether it was ISIS, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda.

00:29:33.000 We do have to give him credit for that because Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, they were running the same protocol that they ran in Libya.

00:29:40.000 overturn, you know, give all the jihadis as much money, as much weapons as we can,

00:29:44.000 let's overthrow the government. Donald Trump stopped that.

00:29:47.000 He did have a limited recent withdrawal of Afghanistan and Somalia, but again,

00:29:51.000 very limited, but we have to look at this at the greater context of American

00:29:55.000 geopolitics with Saudi Arabia, especially with the Saudi U.S.

00:30:00.000 coalition conducting their warfare on Yemen right now, which is literally creating the worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

00:30:07.000 See, I can tell you something.

00:30:08.000 He could do two things that would get me to sing his praises and actually be like a real supporter, okay?

00:30:12.000 Right?

00:30:12.000 He could stop arming the Saudis, right?

00:30:14.000 He could stop.

00:30:14.000 He could do that.

00:30:15.000 And he can pardon Julian Assange.

00:30:17.000 There you go.

00:30:17.000 He definitely needs to pardon.

00:30:18.000 I think he's going to pardon Assange.

00:30:19.000 I hope so.

00:30:20.000 You know what?

00:30:20.000 That could be his legacy.

00:30:21.000 Honestly, if he did, you know, on the one hand, I think he could, but then on the other hand, I'm like, but what's in it for him?

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 Well, a lot of people... Well, let's do this story.

00:30:31.000 Let's read this one.

00:30:32.000 This is from just the other day.

00:30:33.000 Check this out.

00:30:34.000 Trump plots mass pardons, even to people not asking.

00:30:38.000 Okay, Ben.

00:30:39.000 Axios reports President Trump isn't just accepting pardon requests, but blindly discussing them, quote, like Christmas gifts to people who haven't even asked.

00:30:47.000 Sources with direct knowledge of the conversation told Axios.

00:30:50.000 Now, I don't know who their sources are, nor do I trust them for the most part, but let's keep reading.

00:30:54.000 Behind the scenes, Trump recently told one advisor he was going to pardon every person who ever talked to me, suggesting an even larger pardon blitz to come.

00:31:02.000 As with most Trump conversations, the advisor wasn't sure how seriously to take the president, although Trump gave no indication he was joking.

00:31:10.000 The president relishes his unilateral authority to issue get-out-of-jail-free cards lately.

00:31:15.000 Lately, though, he's been soliciting recipients, asking friends and advisors who they think he should pardon, Julian Assange.

00:31:20.000 Trump has also interrupted conversations to spontaneously suggest that he add the person he's speaking with to his pardon list.

00:31:30.000 The offers haven't always been welcome.

00:31:32.000 One source felt awkward because the president was clearly trying to be helpful, but the advisor didn't believe they'd committed any crimes.

00:31:39.000 The advisor also believed being on the list could hurt their public persona.

00:31:43.000 The White House declined to comment.

00:31:45.000 Trump argues the preemptive pardons may be necessary because the Biden administration will target his former aides, the sources say.

00:31:51.000 President-elect Biden has said he doesn't want to pursue the Trump team, and he has vowed an apolitical Justice Department.

00:31:57.000 As Axios first reported, Trump's decision to pardon Michael Flynn set the template for a wave of pardons to friends and loyalists.

00:32:04.000 One senior administration official said the practice has since expanded, with pardons being discussed like Christmas gifts.

00:32:09.000 The White House pardon system doesn't entirely consist of the President's free-wheeling offers.

00:32:13.000 White House attorneys are working through a more traditional process.

00:32:17.000 Even if it doesn't cover every person Trump has discussed, a source familiar with the process says, I'll tell you what, I want Trump to pardon almost everybody.

00:32:26.000 Non-violent drug offenders?

00:32:27.000 Yes.

00:32:28.000 We need to review because people in the chat made a really, really good point when we first asked this.

00:32:33.000 There could be people who are violent who pled down, pleaded down to like lesser charges.

00:32:36.000 Yes.

00:32:37.000 So there could be like a murder, you know, so, uh, but nonviolent drug offenses, Trump should just be like, give me a, a rubber stamp and I will just go boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:32:46.000 Julian Assange of course.

00:32:47.000 I think, um, my, my view on Julian Assange's pardon, 100% do it.

00:32:51.000 My view on Edward Snowden's pardon is like 55%.

00:32:54.000 Well, you know, and I can sit here and we can debate about Snowden, but his life is not in jeopardy right now.

00:32:59.000 He's not somebody that I spend time... I don't worry, like, at night about Edward Snowden.

00:33:04.000 He's in a decent place, like, physically, you know, whatever.

00:33:06.000 And Assange is... He's in serious trouble.

00:33:10.000 You know what?

00:33:11.000 How do we... Like, I almost feel like I want... I wish I could, like, reach out to Tucker Carlson and be like, please tell Trump to pardon Julian Assange.

00:33:17.000 Like, how do we get Trump to think that not only it's my idea, it's my brilliant idea, But that it is the best way to stick it to the establishment dems because it is.

00:33:26.000 Well, it's difficult because there are some fingerprints highlighting how Donald Trump is partly responsible for putting Assange in the position that he is in now, especially with the supposed deal that everyone's talking about as well.

00:33:36.000 But I say pardon Assange, pardon Snowden, pardon Ross Ulbricht.

00:33:39.000 I can mention a whole bunch of other people I say pardon.

00:33:41.000 Because this leaves the next incoming presidency in a very peculiar spot.

00:33:46.000 If I was Donald Trump right now, you have an amazing opportunity.

00:33:49.000 Bring all the troops home, declassify all the horrible government studies that they conducted on our population, the JFK files.

00:33:55.000 He's been promising to release the JFK files for a very long time, and he still hasn't been able to release those JFK files for over 60 years ago.

00:34:03.000 He keeps getting blocked.

00:34:04.000 OK, but you have to realize at some point you're a little bit of an apologist for him.

00:34:07.000 Well, I don't think the president as powerful as people think he is.

00:34:11.000 No, he's definitely not.

00:34:12.000 And we have seen that we've seen a resurgence of executive authority in the past two administrations, more so than we should be saying, because quite honestly, the entire authorization for use of military force shouldn't even exist.

00:34:22.000 So he he's still in more of a power position than I think that people know.

00:34:27.000 But yet, yeah, no, he's still accountable to the same people that everyone's accountable to.

00:34:31.000 But this is the argument people are making.

00:34:32.000 But then don't talk big.

00:34:33.000 Then don't talk it if you can't walk it.

00:34:36.000 There's been a lot of people sabotaging him.

00:34:37.000 And if you look at all the leaks that come out of the White House within his right-hand person or left-hand person, it's just a slurry of leaks.

00:34:45.000 The mainstream media wouldn't be as popular if it wasn't for the Trump administration.

00:34:49.000 So we have to understand there is also some internal pressure that's preventing him from doing a lot of this stuff.

00:34:53.000 So both could be true.

00:34:54.000 But I think Whatever politician it is, we always need more scrutiny.

00:34:58.000 We always need to push them.

00:34:59.000 We never need to idolize them.

00:35:01.000 We always need to criticize them, no matter who they are.

00:35:03.000 So I agree with you on that.

00:35:04.000 But you know, I think in regards to the apologist thing, I think there's so much that Trump could have done if it weren't for the machine that was blocking him at every turn.

00:35:13.000 But wouldn't you say that about Obama?

00:35:15.000 Wouldn't you say that about?

00:35:16.000 But it's it's when you have whoever the president is seems to always be facing an uphill battle with the other branches and that's by design because they don't want to do anything.

00:35:26.000 So the biggest issues with Trump are he's of bad moral character for the most part.

00:35:31.000 That's like the biggest complaints I guess people have.

00:35:33.000 Yeah.

00:35:33.000 You can disagree with some of his policy positions for sure but Obama got us involved in new wars.

00:35:38.000 Oh no, don't please.

00:35:39.000 I regret that.

00:35:40.000 I can't even begin to tell you.

00:35:41.000 I am not singing praises of Obama.

00:35:43.000 The establishment and mainstream media loved Obama.

00:35:46.000 Compare the treatment of how the media is treating Obama to Trump.

00:35:49.000 Because the media is very neolib.

00:35:51.000 That's just the way it is.

00:35:52.000 They just are who they are.

00:35:54.000 George W. Bush, I thought was awful.

00:35:56.000 Barack Obama, I was super excited for, voted for, and then immediately got angry and didn't vote again.

00:36:01.000 And Hillary Clinton, I laughed and I didn't want to vote for Trump because I'm like, it's all the same.

00:36:05.000 And now I see Trump is, he made a ton of mistakes in his first few years.

00:36:08.000 He hired a bunch of really bad people.

00:36:10.000 He should have fired a ton of people.

00:36:11.000 And boy, did he walk face first like Sideshow Bob into a bunch of rakes with like, you know, sessions with, you know, not firing Comey soon enough and then getting, There's a whole bunch of things in the mix that I don't want to bring up in heavy nuance, but Trump made a ton of mistakes.

00:36:26.000 He did not realize what this machine was, and I think he thought he'd be the boss.

00:36:31.000 The president is constrained.

00:36:34.000 It's a political game, and you've got to navigate that properly, but I think Donald Trump's a populist.

00:36:41.000 I think he wants to be a populist.

00:36:43.000 I think he campaigned as a populist.

00:36:44.000 But I think that he is, to me, a very good example of exactly what you were just saying, where he expected to be the boss.

00:36:52.000 This is the problem when you take somebody who's a business person and just think that they're automatically going to translate into the political arena.

00:36:58.000 It doesn't work.

00:37:00.000 And you can't have it my way or the highway.

00:37:01.000 And as we've seen, he hasn't been able to be effective that way.

00:37:05.000 But he is not the kind of person, I think, that is going to have enough self-reflection to look at that and be like, what could I do differently?

00:37:11.000 Like, where could I make better choices?

00:37:14.000 He's not.

00:37:15.000 He's a blamer. 0.99

00:37:15.000 And I'm not saying the other side doesn't do it, too, because they do. 0.99

00:37:18.000 I mean, but that's ultimately what this comes down to is he is a very big ego and very thin skin.

00:37:22.000 I agree.

00:37:23.000 And that's not a good position to be in as somebody in politics.

00:37:25.000 And that's very easy to manipulate if you're a special power.

00:37:28.000 Yes.

00:37:28.000 He could have quickly pivoted and corrected a bunch of these errors very early on.

00:37:34.000 And he didn't.

00:37:34.000 Well, let me be clear, though, that I hold Barack Obama accountable for a lot of these things, because had he done his job, people like Gina Haspel would be in prison and they wouldn't be able to.

00:37:45.000 And Bolton.

00:37:47.000 And so you have a lot of people that wouldn't have been able to do the damage that they did.

00:37:51.000 But Barack Obama, Barack Obama, Barack Obama, drone bomber, drone bomber, Obama, he's part of the machine.

00:37:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:59.000 So I don't think he wanted to do.

00:38:02.000 No, but again, even let's say that he did.

00:38:05.000 Let's say that he said, I'm going to do that.

00:38:07.000 I'm going to stand up to, you know, what is essentially the military complex, because that's what you really have to stand up to.

00:38:12.000 He can't do that any more than Trump can do that.

00:38:14.000 And that's what we're looking at.

00:38:15.000 We're looking at, to some extent, it's really a figurehead position and you don't have as much power as you would like, but you have just enough so that you get blamed for all your incompetence.

00:38:25.000 That's the whole nature of being president.

00:38:26.000 What if Trump just like literally pardoned everybody?

00:38:30.000 At the federal level.

00:38:31.000 It would be massive whether or not it would, you know, salvage him in terms of like his name and history.

00:38:36.000 I don't know.

00:38:37.000 It would for me.

00:38:39.000 Honestly, I'm telling you the two things I could say if he if he stopped playing in the sandbox of Saudi Arabia and or pardon Julian Assange, that would that would be huge for me.

00:38:48.000 Like that would be a deal changer for me.

00:38:50.000 I had been saying earlier in the year that, like in January before COVID, I wasn't going to vote for him.

00:38:56.000 I don't care.

00:38:57.000 That's not my tribe.

00:38:59.000 I'm not into tribalism.

00:39:00.000 But the COVID lockdown stuff has been draconian and insane.

00:39:03.000 It's been transferring.

00:39:04.000 It's the biggest transfer of wealth from working class people to the elites, the establishment, to the big corporations. 0.65

00:39:09.000 That's insane.

00:39:11.000 And you get the establishment.

00:39:13.000 What do you call these people?

00:39:16.000 You know, I call them the Democrats, I guess.

00:39:18.000 Well, see, no, no, no.

00:39:19.000 I need to know exactly who you're talking about, and then I can give you the exact terminology of who we're speaking about.

00:39:23.000 The people who work at the New York Times, who are like, we must lock everything down, and they're ultra woke.

00:39:26.000 Oh, neoliberal drones.

00:39:28.000 Or tools.

00:39:29.000 I mean, those are tools.

00:39:31.000 Neolib.

00:39:32.000 Yeah, neolibs.

00:39:32.000 But see, that's what people really need to understand.

00:39:34.000 That is not the left.

00:39:36.000 The Democrats are not the left.

00:39:38.000 That's not the left.

00:39:39.000 The Democrats, at best, are centrists.

00:39:41.000 I think you know what really, you know, just confused me is why leftists were so anti-Trump when I understand you can not like Trump, but he's anti-establishment.

00:39:51.000 Yeah, like in which leftist?

00:39:53.000 Like I have never been anti-Trump.

00:39:55.000 Again, for me, it's all policy.

00:39:57.000 It's all policy.

00:39:58.000 So it's never been anything like that.

00:40:00.000 And I am not the only one.

00:40:01.000 There are others like me.

00:40:02.000 We're out there.

00:40:03.000 The establishment doesn't like him because he offends their sensibilities.

00:40:07.000 I don't care about that.

00:40:09.000 I don't care who he makes fun of.

00:40:11.000 I don't care what he says.

00:40:12.000 I don't care who he sleeps with. 0.97

00:40:13.000 I don't care what his children do.

00:40:14.000 I really don't.

00:40:15.000 This doesn't concern me.

00:40:16.000 What concerns me is his policy.

00:40:18.000 And the policies of the Republican Party do not appeal to me.

00:40:22.000 They just don't.

00:40:23.000 They don't have populist policies, even though he intended that.

00:40:26.000 Yeah, the Republican Party, I've never been a fan of.

00:40:29.000 I think Trump's very different.

00:40:31.000 I mean, Trump supporters use a lion instead of an elephant.

00:40:33.000 That's funny, so do the progressives.

00:40:36.000 There's a lion?

00:40:36.000 Yeah.

00:40:37.000 In fact, our progressive caucus in Broward County, our symbol is a lion.

00:40:41.000 Really?

00:40:42.000 You know, I kind of wondered if Biden would actually end up being the Great Uniter.

00:40:46.000 By default?

00:40:47.000 Because everyone hates him.

00:40:48.000 Except for the neolibs.

00:40:50.000 Yeah, they are a small group.

00:40:52.000 Unfortunately, they're loud.

00:40:54.000 And they have the media.

00:40:56.000 Other than Fox.

00:40:57.000 I mean, you know, but really, other than Fox, you've got a whole bunch of neolib.

00:41:01.000 Well, let's talk censorship in that capacity.

00:41:03.000 Sure.

00:41:03.000 So, many of you probably heard, YouTube is now going to remove any new videos alleging Trump lost the election because of fraud.

00:41:10.000 Now, CNN says fraud, but I actually spoke with YouTube and got some clarification.

00:41:14.000 The general idea is, YouTube has said, starting today, if you claim that Trump lost the election, and you have to come... So, actually, let me start over.

00:41:22.000 There are two criteria you have to meet in order to have your videos deleted.

00:41:27.000 You must first claim that there was widespread fraud, then you must claim it resulted in Donald Trump losing the election.

00:41:34.000 You can say there's widespread fraud.

00:41:36.000 You can say the election was stolen from Trump.

00:41:38.000 You can't combine these things, which is like the weirdest non-policy... Okay, but did you just do that by explaining it?

00:41:43.000 Yeah, I'm curious.

00:41:43.000 Well, technically.

00:41:45.000 No, but they could pull it out of context and then be like, look, he said it, he said those words.

00:41:48.000 Well, that's the thing, I mean... Tim's the guy they want to explain it.

00:41:51.000 to people. I guess. They called me and they were like, Google actually called me and said,

00:41:56.000 we want to explain to you what this means. And they're probably hoping that I will then convey

00:42:00.000 and you're not going to get a guideline strike. So if you say it, they'll just quietly remove

00:42:05.000 the video on January 21st. They will give you a guideline strike if you claim it.

00:42:11.000 And they're claiming, they're like, we have a long-standing policy on historical elections that you can't claim that fraud changed the results.

00:42:17.000 Therefore, it applies to this election.

00:42:19.000 And I'm like, that makes no sense.

00:42:21.000 How could they have a long-standing policy if they haven't existed that long?

00:42:23.000 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 Or not even that, like, what am I gonna do, like, Abraham Lincoln didn't really win and, like, pound the table?

00:42:28.000 Like, what?

00:42:28.000 Yeah, what about the last election when, you know, the establishment was shilling that it was a fraud, and then CNN was always put in the algorithm to be first, no matter what you searched regarding the election, talking about how this was not a legitimate election, it was Russian collusion, Trump was a Russian asset, and all of that was bunk, all of that was a distraction.

00:42:45.000 That was my first question. 0.97

00:42:46.000 All of that was crap. 0.99

00:42:47.000 I was like, can I still say that the Russians hacked the election and Hillary Clinton only lost because of Russian interference? 0.99

00:42:53.000 And they're like, well, no, I don't think so.

00:42:58.000 And I'm like, well, I just searched it on YouTube and there's dozens of mainstream media outlets saying just that.

00:43:04.000 If they take down CNN for violating their policy, yes, it's fair.

00:43:08.000 It's the right thing to do.

00:43:09.000 They did take down Rand Paul speaking on the Senate floor.

00:43:14.000 Did you know about this?

00:43:15.000 No.

00:43:15.000 Rand Paul, so don't say his name.

00:43:17.000 He mentioned a name that he wasn't supposed to.

00:43:18.000 There's a name that if I say, this livestream will be taken off the air immediately.

00:43:21.000 Okay, so we won't say it.

00:43:22.000 And there's no reason for it.

00:43:23.000 Is there sign language?

00:43:24.000 It's crazy.

00:43:26.000 Rand Paul was talking about this individual and YouTube deleted C-SPAN, the video from C-SPAN of Rand Paul on the Senate floor talking about what was going on in our government and why it was relevant.

00:43:36.000 He had no bias.

00:43:37.000 This is the kind of stuff that should be keeping people up at night.

00:43:39.000 And yet, you know, like that's the whole thing.

00:43:41.000 I mean, we touched on Assange, but the censorship thing freaks me out.

00:43:45.000 It's a big problem.

00:43:46.000 Maybe if come, you know, we talk about these 17 states and, you know, Trump and they're suing.

00:43:53.000 Maybe if it does end up being Biden as president, then Trump supporters are, when the fight is not about Trump anymore, then the, as you describe it, the real left, the populist left, I suppose, and populist right will be mostly in agreement about censorship being bad.

00:44:08.000 I hope so.

00:44:09.000 Look, I mean, they're trying to keep us apart.

00:44:12.000 That's the whole point of what they're doing.

00:44:13.000 If the populist left and the populist right or the whites and the blacks that were labor class and everybody got together and realized that it really is, there's only two groups of people and if you're not in charge, you're in the second group. 0.63

00:44:23.000 It's a big club and you ain't in it.

00:44:24.000 Exactly.

00:44:24.000 It's the same club they used to beat you over the head with.

00:44:27.000 It is, and it's true.

00:44:28.000 So, like, they don't want that.

00:44:29.000 They love these labels.

00:44:30.000 They love the infighting.

00:44:31.000 They want to have you guys having audience that hates the left.

00:44:34.000 They want the left complaining about Trump and the right.

00:44:37.000 And they just want everybody fighting.

00:44:38.000 But the reality is, is they're all just feeding their own wallets.

00:44:41.000 That's all this does.

00:44:42.000 But there's a problem with people on the left who make careers off of drama channels targeting the other, and the people on the right who do the same thing.

00:44:52.000 So, I mean, what do you do to get past that?

00:44:55.000 We do this.

00:44:57.000 This is it.

00:44:57.000 This is what we do.

00:44:58.000 People say that to me all the time, like, what do you do for this?

00:45:00.000 I'm like, we're doing it.

00:45:01.000 But look, there's a bunch of... We've had several people on the show who are, I guess you'd call them leftists or whatever, and I mean many of... We had Destiny.

00:45:10.000 I know you're familiar with Destiny.

00:45:11.000 Yeah.

00:45:11.000 He's super woke, and he was adamantly defending critical theory and things like that, and I completely disagree with that.

00:45:19.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 I think we had a good conversation.

00:45:20.000 I think a lot of people don't like him because they thought that he was... What's the right word?

00:45:24.000 I guess...

00:45:25.000 Disingenuous?

00:45:26.000 No, no, no, no, no. 0.98

00:45:27.000 Arrogant. 0.95

00:45:28.000 Kind of like snooty to people. 0.98

00:45:30.000 I didn't, I don't, I don't, you know.

00:45:32.000 You're talking about critical race theory, like his, like the thoughts on that.

00:45:36.000 So yeah, we briefly discussed critical race theory before the show started, and he's very much in favor of it. 0.87

00:45:41.000 Yeah.

00:45:41.000 But he says he's on the left.

00:45:43.000 Well, the DSA called him a Nazi recently, so... You mentioned the left fighting themselves.

00:45:48.000 Well, no, we eat our own.

00:45:49.000 We eat our own.

00:45:51.000 But I do believe that that's all by design.

00:45:54.000 Because the people that are, say, your establishment people, your Speaker of the House-type people, if you will.

00:46:00.000 Not mentioning any names, right?

00:46:01.000 Right.

00:46:01.000 So those people that you call the left, they want us fighting.

00:46:07.000 They love Trump in charge.

00:46:08.000 They like all of that.

00:46:10.000 It serves their corporate donors and it keeps them from having to do anything.

00:46:12.000 I call it Mick resistance.

00:46:14.000 That's great.

00:46:15.000 And that's what they are.

00:46:16.000 And so they don't like me any more than they like him because I am an impediment to what they're doing, which is feeding their coffers.

00:46:25.000 I don't want that.

00:46:26.000 There are a lot of people that won't come on this show out of... I'm not going to speculate as to what their opinions are, but I think they're scared.

00:46:33.000 I don't understand that.

00:46:34.000 You're not somebody that I think of as a real right-wing figure.

00:46:38.000 What is the deal with that?

00:46:40.000 I no idea.

00:46:41.000 Covid.

00:46:42.000 You're not that scary.

00:46:42.000 Most of the.

00:46:43.000 It's crazy.

00:46:46.000 I'm like one of the most like lukewarmest people on in political commentary.

00:46:50.000 Except for Luke.

00:46:51.000 Well, once you once you come out supporting Trump, then you get marked.

00:46:54.000 And that's really what it is.

00:46:56.000 If you had a month, two months ago.

00:46:57.000 Yeah, but that's what but that's the kind of thing that brings attention from the left.

00:47:02.000 I can't speak as to what that was prior to that, but that's what would draw the ire from the woke.

00:47:07.000 There was this individual who made this study, and they're using it today to claim that YouTube is radicalizing people to the far right.

00:47:13.000 It's not true, because it's been debunked numerous times.

00:47:16.000 There is nuance to this argument, but this woman created this report where it was a spiderweb of all these channels that were interconnected, and then I was right in the middle.

00:47:25.000 That's interesting, right?

00:47:25.000 But that's cool.

00:47:28.000 That means you're what I call a bridge.

00:47:31.000 And it was funny because someone actually wrote, I think Media Matters was smearing me, and they said he was found to be at the center of a massive network of right-wing radicalization.

00:47:43.000 Yes, yes.

00:47:43.000 What is your mission?

00:47:44.000 What are you radicalizing people to do?

00:47:46.000 Milk toast centrism. 0.93

00:47:47.000 Read the news?

00:47:48.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:47:49.000 Well, that's what I always say, like, so what's your motive?

00:47:51.000 What are you, like, people who, because that's a fear-based comment.

00:47:54.000 You're radicalizing, like, to do what?

00:47:57.000 Like, what are you, I always try to pinpoint people, get them to really say what it is they're scared of, because it's all fear.

00:48:03.000 Okay, so let's assume you are doing that.

00:48:05.000 Okay, to what end?

00:48:07.000 Like, what's your, what's the end game for you?

00:48:09.000 For me?

00:48:09.000 They don't want people watching shows like this, where we can have someone like you on, rag on Hillary Clinton.

00:48:12.000 You accuse somebody of being like, okay, so it's just this incendiary language.

00:48:17.000 Right.

00:48:17.000 But based on what result, like what are you worried about?

00:48:20.000 They don't want people watching shows like this where we can have someone

00:48:23.000 like you on rag on Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:48:25.000 Yeah.

00:48:25.000 Oh, well, I guess.

00:48:25.000 And then people are like, yeah.

00:48:26.000 And the truth is the people that will be on me for that.

00:48:30.000 They already hate me anyway.

00:48:30.000 Once you have an open mind, once you stop toting the establishment line,

00:48:34.000 you are a threat to them.

00:48:36.000 Correct.

00:48:36.000 And this is important to point out here because anyone who's willing to have a conversation, anyone who's willing to discuss different ideas, that's not what they want.

00:48:44.000 They want regurgitators, they want repeaters, they want good little prostitutes that will say whatever the establishment wants to say. 1.00

00:48:51.000 The horse stream media is a Big system that benefits off of people's ignorance. 0.78

00:48:56.000 A lot of elites, a lot of powerful people make a lot of money, get a lot of power from the ignorance of other individuals.

00:49:04.000 And if you fight that with open mindedness, they will go after you like you don't know what's going on here.

00:49:09.000 And going back to this topic of censorship, this is important.

00:49:13.000 The way to progress a society the way to move us forward is ... through an open and honest dialogue they are denying that ... to us on so many different levels and for them to force ... this kind of idea and saying you know as there's court cases ... we don't still know if there was actual fraud or not we're ... still finding out to the court proceedings for them to ... declare now we're just going to take you out.

00:49:33.000 is absolutely disingenuous and horrible and propels the larger, bigger problem that people are pointing out to.

00:49:39.000 And again, it affected me a couple years ago when I noticed my videos were just being deleted.

00:49:44.000 I remember waking up and I'm like, oh, there's five videos missing.

00:49:46.000 I don't even know which ones.

00:49:48.000 I wasn't even notified.

00:49:49.000 Frogs boiling.

00:49:50.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 We're frogs in a pot.

00:49:52.000 The water temperatures.

00:49:53.000 So the reason why they waited till the 8th was to create some kind of cover.

00:49:55.000 Okay, safe harbor.

00:49:56.000 Now we can justify the censorship.

00:49:59.000 Do you ever wonder if this has been happening all the way along?

00:50:01.000 Like, we're noticing it more now because it's so, like, controversial.

00:50:03.000 Yeah, I was telling people in 2008, as soon as Google gobbled up YouTube, I'm like, watch out guys, they're gonna suppress free speech.

00:50:07.000 something may have happened. Do you ever wonder if this has been happening all

00:50:10.000 the way along? Like we're noticing it more now because it's so like controversial.

00:50:14.000 I was telling people in 2008 as soon as Google gobbled up YouTube I'm like watch

00:50:18.000 out guys they're gonna suppress free speech. Because this is a power, a

00:50:22.000 power of individuals being able to talk to each other and resolve our problems,

00:50:26.000 resolve our differences and to understand we're all human and not to be

00:50:30.000 dependent on this system.

00:50:31.000 That's a huge threat against the establishment and you didn't need to see the writings on the wall to see that a threat against the powerful is something that they're slowly going to make sure doesn't exist and now they're sucking the holy life out of it as much as they can.

00:50:44.000 What we started seeing is these companies that hire people to run multiple fake accounts To attack and antagonize.

00:50:52.000 And you'll go on Reddit, and you'll see the comments, and all they do is have these generic smears against the other.

00:50:57.000 But I'll tell you, I think there are a lot of conservatives that make careers off of attacking the left.

00:51:02.000 It's both ways.

00:51:03.000 It's both ways. 0.99

00:51:05.000 Well, the left, it's just a matter of they'll call names like, well, you're a Russian troll. 0.68

00:51:08.000 But then wouldn't anything by design be that goes online to cause like to wreak havoc and to like sway opinion be equally as?

00:51:15.000 I mean it's all the same thing.

00:51:17.000 I mean any group could conceivably do that to influence opinion or even have money put behind that opinion. 0.74

00:51:23.000 So once you have that kind of influence to try to police that is sort of ridiculous.

00:51:28.000 You know what really annoyed me recently was Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released a bunch of shirts and they're expensive. 0.89

00:51:36.000 Really?

00:51:36.000 She has like a, like a, you mean like a fashion line?

00:51:38.000 A clothing line.

00:51:39.000 Yeah.

00:51:39.000 Like, like, like populist left, like, you know, shop shirts.

00:51:43.000 And there's, yeah, eat the rich for $15.

00:51:45.000 So t-shirts, they're t-shirts.

00:51:46.000 Like t-shirts and sweaters.

00:51:47.000 But her response was they're made in America, so they're more expensive.

00:51:51.000 And she got, she got criticized heavily by the right for making shirts that, that poor people couldn't afford. 0.62

00:51:56.000 And more importantly, where does the money go?

00:51:59.000 I mean, probably to her campaign or something.

00:52:01.000 I mean, it could go to a foundation.

00:52:01.000 Well, no.

00:52:02.000 It could go to her.

00:52:04.000 Look, and that's really where it would come to to me.

00:52:06.000 Like, I'm an end result person.

00:52:07.000 So is she making money and giving it to people that need money? 1.00

00:52:10.000 Then I really don't care because an AOC sweater is not an essential that every person should be entitled to have.

00:52:10.000 Well, then that's a good thing.

00:52:16.000 So I don't really care.

00:52:17.000 I just don't think it's worth talking about.

00:52:20.000 No. So, so, like, the reason I bring it up is that, like, why are, why are people, uh, and I'm not,

00:52:23.000 I'm not trying to single out conservatives or criticals and left because the left does it all

00:52:26.000 the time to the right. There are people who make videos about me because they make money,

00:52:29.000 but they're clearly out of context manipulations because it just generates traffic. And I wonder

00:52:34.000 why it is, why so many people, instead of talking about ideas and policy and, look, I got no problem

00:52:40.000 talking about Ocasio-Cortez in terms of the Green New Deal and my disagreements with specific

00:52:45.000 provisions and things like that. But people love to just make E-drama, you know, this person is

00:52:51.000 ugly and they sold a stupid shirt and, well, that person is a Nazi. 1.00

00:52:55.000 And that's, it's money for people. 1.00

00:52:58.000 But it diminishes their credibility because it's not there.

00:53:00.000 These are not valid arguments.

00:53:01.000 It's the same thing about the left critiquing Trump for nasty tweets.

00:53:06.000 If you want to come with a criticism, it should have substance to it.

00:53:08.000 So there are definitely things that one would want to criticize AOC.

00:53:12.000 I generally don't.

00:53:13.000 But yet her selling shirts would not even it wouldn't make my list.

00:53:18.000 Right, right, right.

00:53:19.000 There's just so much that I see.

00:53:21.000 Actually, that's a big weakness the right needs to get past, too.

00:53:25.000 Well, the right and the left should absolutely.

00:53:27.000 It's petty.

00:53:27.000 It's boring.

00:53:28.000 It is boring.

00:53:29.000 There are a bunch of lefty YouTubers, and I see the stuff they produce, and I see how they hit a wall and they can't grow their channels, and I'm like, bro, you make videos talking about YouTubers, criticizing this guy for being right-wing or whatever and then making fun of him.

00:53:40.000 Make content about politicians.

00:53:43.000 Criticize the politicians you don't like and the policies they're enacting.

00:53:45.000 Stop wasting your time on e-drama, stuff like that.

00:53:48.000 We need to actually... I think everybody on YouTube, we might disagree on hard policy in many ways, but I think most of the people on YouTube disagree with the establishment and this crony machine that has kept out actual leaders.

00:54:03.000 Let me ask you your opinion, because if you asked me how many people in Congress do I think actually represent the people, I'd probably say like three, maybe.

00:54:13.000 How many do you think?

00:54:14.000 Definitely less than 10.

00:54:17.000 I don't know the exact number.

00:54:18.000 I will tell you this is interesting, though, because the Progressive Caucus has like over 100 members in it in Congress, right?

00:54:24.000 And it turns out you pay to be in the Progressive Caucus.

00:54:26.000 So it's like $4,000 or whatever it is.

00:54:28.000 And so there is an inordinate amount of people then that I'm curious that I would love to ask them.

00:54:33.000 So I see that you consider yourself a progressive.

00:54:36.000 How come you've never called Medicare for All for a floor vote?

00:54:38.000 Like, where have you been on that?

00:54:39.000 Why are you not doing that?

00:54:40.000 I guess you're not really progressive.

00:54:41.000 You just paid to be called one.

00:54:43.000 So so the amount of actual people I mean and I could like my favorite person is Katie Porter.

00:54:48.000 I'm a Katie Porter fan.

00:54:50.000 Nobody sticks it to the the corporate criminals as the way she does but I don't know handful maybe handful of people that are legitimately representing constituents and not corporate donors.

00:55:00.000 I like Rand Paul.

00:55:00.000 I say zero.

00:55:01.000 Rand Paul.

00:55:03.000 Hmm, debatable.

00:55:03.000 I don't like politicians.

00:55:05.000 You heard me describe politicians. 0.99

00:55:06.000 Politicians are big buttockses. 1.00

00:55:08.000 All of them are filled with certain stuff. 0.94

00:55:09.000 Some are filled with less, some are filled with more.

00:55:11.000 Let's just be honest here.

00:55:12.000 Even us as citizens, we're all sucking on this program where the Federal Reserve's giving us fiat currency.

00:55:19.000 We have this slave labor overseas that make our iPhones. 1.00

00:55:22.000 Like, our chocolate comes from, like, child slaves, human trafficking.

00:55:27.000 We're in this system, and we complain about it.

00:55:29.000 Some of us do, rightfully so, but we're still part of it.

00:55:32.000 These clothing were built in, like, factories in China.

00:55:35.000 Well, people are trying to change that.

00:55:36.000 I mean, I think, you know, there's been a big movement, especially with Trump, for Made in America.

00:55:41.000 And not just Trump, too, because AOC mentioned her shirts are made in America as well.

00:55:43.000 Which brings us to the TPP.

00:55:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:46.000 And the multinational corporation takeover of the world, which leads in perfectly to our next article.

00:55:52.000 What, you want to talk about Pope Francis?

00:55:54.000 Yes, I've been done.

00:55:55.000 Are you going to say mean things about the Pope?

00:55:58.000 Me?

00:55:58.000 No.

00:55:59.000 He might.

00:56:00.000 There's a lot of mean things to say, but let's stay away from that.

00:56:03.000 Let's just consider how low the bar is.

00:56:05.000 Exactly.

00:56:06.000 Let's stay true to the observations and to the evidence provided before us and then let the people decide themselves what they want to think.

00:56:12.000 That's been my kind of protocol.

00:56:13.000 My understanding is that Pope Francis is a pretty cool dude.

00:56:15.000 He chose the name Francis, which was really exciting to me.

00:56:18.000 I'm a fan.

00:56:18.000 It's funny.

00:56:19.000 I'm a Jew.

00:56:19.000 I'm not really a practicing Jew, but I've always affiliated amongst Catholics.

00:56:23.000 I don't know.

00:56:23.000 I went to a Catholic law school.

00:56:24.000 I worked at a Catholic hospital.

00:56:26.000 And I love St.

00:56:27.000 Francis.

00:56:28.000 And I actually have a St.

00:56:28.000 Francis in my house.

00:56:29.000 It took me forever to find one without a cross on it.

00:56:31.000 I worked at St.

00:56:31.000 Francis Hospital.

00:56:32.000 Did you?

00:56:33.000 I was in Indianapolis.

00:56:34.000 I worked at a St.

00:56:34.000 Francis Hospital.

00:56:35.000 So, like, I've always liked St.

00:56:37.000 Francis.

00:56:37.000 And he is the first Pope to pick that name.

00:56:39.000 Wow.

00:56:39.000 And I think that's really interesting, and it's very humbling of a name.

00:56:42.000 I don't like him.

00:56:43.000 Well, he's just joined the Great Reset Movement.

00:56:46.000 I hear you.

00:56:46.000 Quartz reports, Pope Francis is backing a new movement to redefine capitalism as a force for good.

00:56:52.000 First of all, I think, depending on your definition of capitalism in the traditional sense, it's been a force for good.

00:56:58.000 I certainly think there's an issue with major corporations extracting value and providing nothing in return.

00:57:03.000 But I think, you know, capitalism as a system has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else.

00:57:11.000 I think it's interesting the way they're framing it.

00:57:12.000 Well, let's read.

00:57:14.000 Court says, Capitalism has been condemned for many of the world's evils, from massive income inequality to climate change.

00:57:20.000 But self-interest wasn't the core idea of the economic system first codified by Adam Smith in the 18th century.

00:57:26.000 Avarice became coupled with capitalism in the 1980s, fueled largely by Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman's theory that the singular goal of business is to maximize profits for shareholders.

00:57:36.000 In short, it was the argument that greed is good.

00:57:39.000 Now a new global alliance with Pope Francis As its moral leader is pushing to rescue the heart of capitalism and reorient it as a force for social good.

00:57:49.000 The founding members of the Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican comprises large corporations like Bank of America, BP, Estee Lauder, EY, Johnson & Johnson, Mastercard, Merck, Salesforce, and Visa.

00:58:01.000 It also includes grant-giving bodies like the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, government bodies, and the International Trade Union Confederation, the world's largest workers' rights unions.

00:58:10.000 Yes, I'm sorry, the world's largest workers' rights group.

00:58:14.000 Yes, because nothing says capitalism as a force for good than massive, multinational, unaccountable corporations that exploit people for personal gain.

00:58:21.000 And Big Banks and Big Pharma that are part of this coalition which is being all organized by Lynn Forrester de Rothschild that's bringing this coalition together to redefine capitalism as of course all these same institutional powers are talking about a global reset.

00:58:37.000 And redefining capitalism and again we have to ... understand these individuals these corporations ... they don't operate under the capitalistic system they ... operate under the socialistic system since they get ... government handouts and welfare more than anyone else ... imaginable and they're the ones that are partly ... responsible for all the pain and suffering that is being ... caused so believing that these individuals are going ... to fix the problem that they were causing is absolutely ...

00:59:04.000 I told you, I identify with Ron Swanson more than anyone else.

00:59:09.000 Do you know who Ron Swanson is?

00:59:10.000 Isn't that from a show?

00:59:11.000 Yes, Parks and Recs.

00:59:12.000 The guy who doesn't like government.

00:59:14.000 And I do need to acknowledge that we have to look at everything fairly and honestly.

00:59:18.000 And when we look at these individuals grandstanding, talking about capitalism is bad, we have to understand we're not operating under capitalism.

00:59:26.000 We're operating under Socialism for the super-rich and then quasi-crony capitalism that doesn't even exist because of that for everyone else.

00:59:36.000 We look at this largest transfer of wealth, we look at all the pain and suffering, it's all under the fingerprints of this quasi-fake system that manipulates, lies to us, and takes advantage of us in so many different ways.

00:59:47.000 It's socialism for me and capitalism for thee.

00:59:50.000 Not even.

00:59:51.000 You really sound left.

00:59:53.000 Yes, I know.

00:59:53.000 I do.

00:59:56.000 But the modern left is pro-corporate.

01:00:00.000 I should say, with respect to you and what you view as left, the Democratic establishment is extremely pro-corporate.

01:00:07.000 And there are a lot of what is colloquially described as left personalities who are in line with the Democratic Party and Joe Biden.

01:00:16.000 And I am here to tell you they're not really left.

01:00:19.000 They can stay their left just like a member of Congress can pay to be in the Progressive Caucus.

01:00:23.000 That doesn't make it so.

01:00:25.000 I could pay to be in the Black Caucus. 0.81

01:00:27.000 That doesn't make me black.

01:00:28.000 This is hilarious that some of the worst offenders in terms of exploitation and manipulation are claiming they're going to make capitalism a force for good when they're the ones who actually ruined it.

01:00:38.000 When capitalism was at its root, free trade between individuals is great.

01:00:42.000 When capitalism became large corporations that extract value from the working class and give very little in return, that became the problem.

01:00:48.000 And I'm not talking about, for everyone who's listening, CEOs who are high-paid and maybe managing companies.

01:00:53.000 I'm talking about people who just sit, like, in Miami in a skyscraper and just check their bank because they get profits from the company.

01:01:00.000 They're not adding things, they're not managing anything.

01:01:02.000 So there's serious challenges.

01:01:04.000 This is where, like, my left comes out in.

01:01:07.000 The difference between the modern structure of this corporate... I guess you call it corporatist?

01:01:12.000 Is it corporatism?

01:01:12.000 It is corporatist.

01:01:13.000 Yeah, it's corporatism.

01:01:14.000 Where they have such control over the system with lobbying that smaller businesses can't compete.

01:01:20.000 They can crush you.

01:01:21.000 Starbucks can open two Starbucks locations next to your small business and just wipe you out. 0.93

01:01:25.000 Yeah.

01:01:26.000 And then that prevents any real competition, any real free market.

01:01:30.000 You don't get it if you have massive corporations strangling everybody.

01:01:33.000 This is why I've always been in favor of a mixed economy.

01:01:35.000 They pay a lot of money for that, right?

01:01:38.000 The head of Starbucks pays a lot of money to be able to do what they do.

01:01:41.000 Before we get into that, if you keep reading the article, these people talk to you like you're little children because what you see them exemplify is just simple language.

01:01:41.000 Yeah.

01:01:50.000 Like, we're going to help the poor.

01:01:51.000 Everyone's going to be equal.

01:01:52.000 We're going to support black and African American businesses and we're going to fight A global warming, and if you look at these individuals, a lot of them are directly responsible for causing the problems that they allegedly want more power, more responsibility for them to fix. 0.88

01:02:06.000 Like Joe Biden!

01:02:07.000 Yeah, it's absolutely crazy and insane.

01:02:10.000 And now the Pope to rubber stamp this and join this global coalition of good guys and superheroes is absolutely just mind-boggling and should be worrying to a lot of people out there.

01:02:21.000 When YouTube announced that they will censor people who challenge the election and say there's fraud, Will Chamberlain, we had him on the show, he tweeted, he basically said, and I'll paraphrase because I don't have the exact quote, that nationalizing these big tech companies is better than letting them just do what they do and manipulate everything.

01:02:41.000 Well, I have no problem with that.

01:02:43.000 Me neither.

01:02:43.000 And especially when you were talking about the communications companies, and that would help a lot with what we were talking about in terms of, you know, your First Amendment rights.

01:02:50.000 Well, this is the frustrating part here because a lot of these big monopolies wouldn't be where they are without government.

01:02:57.000 Without public assistance, without tax cuts, without working with the DOD, the Pentagon, especially when you look at institutions like Google, when you look at the startup foundations that are connected to the CIA, that have their direct fingerprints on all the big tech monopolies that are in power now, and when you look at Amazon, Google, and all these other monoliths, they are working one-on-one with government right now.

01:03:20.000 Whether it's Amazon giving all the chairs and all the little pens for the Pentagon or the military or Google.

01:03:29.000 This is a Jeff Bezos problem.

01:03:32.000 This goes to that.

01:03:33.000 He's getting ready to just own our water sources.

01:03:36.000 Did you see that news where water is going to be added as a commodity?

01:03:39.000 There's going to be water wars soon. 0.99

01:03:41.000 Not many people realize that.

01:03:42.000 He's threatening.

01:03:44.000 I find him to be very threatening.

01:03:45.000 I mean, and also symbolic of the greater threat.

01:03:47.000 Isn't it easier just to say that the real battle is, like, establishment versus anti-establishment, or liberty versus authority?

01:03:55.000 We call it corporate versus non-corporate.

01:03:57.000 And really, it's just like... But government plays a role in this, too.

01:04:00.000 Well, it is, but your government representative is either on the payroll or not on the payroll.

01:04:05.000 So when you look at it in the micro level, like, who is your person representing?

01:04:09.000 If they're taking corporate money, they're representing corporations.

01:04:12.000 I think, you know, in a simple definition, corporations are a good thing.

01:04:16.000 And I think in a simple definition, government is a good thing.

01:04:18.000 But what we have are giant, authoritarian, monopolistic government and corporations.

01:04:23.000 We need publicly financed elections.

01:04:25.000 There are certain things that we could do.

01:04:27.000 It's really difficult to get, you know... Well, you would have to get enough people in there that aren't on the corporate payroll that would then support that.

01:04:27.000 It's hard, though.

01:04:34.000 So, we're chipping away at it, basically, is what we're trying to do.

01:04:38.000 But you get enough people in there that aren't corporate, they'd be willing to do that.

01:04:42.000 So, I mean, that's the goal.

01:04:43.000 I just say put them in NASCAR suits and let them represent all the corporations that they represent.

01:04:47.000 Absolutely!

01:04:48.000 Same with doctors. 0.78

01:04:49.000 Doctors as well need to point out the corporations that they get money from so people know who they're doing business with. 0.97

01:04:53.000 We're not even allowed to say it in a lot of cases.

01:04:55.000 When you start bringing up stuff like where they get their money from, You're smearing them.

01:05:00.000 You're not being part of the team, especially if it's a Democrat calling out another Democrat's corporate donors.

01:05:05.000 Well, Eric Swalwell wants to launch an investigation against Axios because they're the ones that wrote the story about his little, what would you say, honeypot?

01:05:16.000 Yes, his infiltration that occurred between him and this lady that infiltrated many elements of government

01:05:25.000 in more ways than one.

01:05:26.000 You mean like a special lady friend?

01:05:28.000 Yes, a special lady friend.

01:05:29.000 Well, did you hear about the story about the spy?

01:05:32.000 I don't, but you know what?

01:05:33.000 The circus is really losing me.

01:05:35.000 I stick much more with like topics and issues.

01:05:37.000 Well, it is fascinating to see China's influence, especially over our political system,

01:05:41.000 and especially with how they've been able to get all of our secrets and also manipulate,

01:05:48.000 politicians like Joe Biden very easily.

01:05:50.000 Check out this story.

01:05:51.000 Eric Swalwell refuses to admit wrongdoing over top-secret friendship with Chinese spy Fang Fang and demands probe into who leaked the story as he refuses to say if he slept with her and she's still Facebook friends with his dad and brother.

01:06:06.000 So a Chinese honey trap spy had been organizing a fundraiser for this guy, and the fact that he would call for the journalists to get investigated. 0.68

01:06:14.000 Well, isn't this a matter of national security?

01:06:16.000 This is the man who is a part of the House Intelligence Committee.

01:06:19.000 He has unrestricted access to classified information, and this spy Was with him before the start of his major political career.

01:06:28.000 She helped him fundraise.

01:06:29.000 She helped him get support in the Asian community and many people say Eric Swalwell wouldn't be in power if it wasn't for this spy this spy resign. 0.83

01:06:39.000 Yes immediately resign.

01:06:40.000 I mean there's there's no even talking about this.

01:06:42.000 But when you look at Eric Swalwell when you look at his major points, he's he was a bastion a favorite of the mainstream media to go up against Trump.

01:06:51.000 And many times he regurgitated a lot of Beijing pro-communist government talking points that you saw him say and you saw the Chinese government say at the same time whether it was keeping the borders open to China during the coronavirus scandal whether it was going against Trump because of alleged Russian collusion whether it was even going against North Korea all the talking points by Eric Swalwell on the mainstream media almost perfect carbon copies of Chinese communist talking points which Does make you think, especially since now we're finding out that a Chinese spy helped him to get into power.

01:07:25.000 And it's not just him.

01:07:26.000 I mean, Dianne Feinstein had a... Do you know about that one?

01:07:28.000 She had a Chinese spy working for her.

01:07:30.000 No, it doesn't surprise me.

01:07:31.000 And again, she is one of those people that I don't claim.

01:07:34.000 So we don't claim her.

01:07:36.000 Well, that's why I think, as I mentioned before, like the real fight is, it's almost, you know, everyone always says the real fight is this group versus that group, but I think it's liberty versus authority.

01:07:46.000 Because if you're in favor of freedoms and liberty, you're going to oppose censorship.

01:07:49.000 We're going to get along.

01:07:49.000 You're going to oppose the corporatist structure and the crony government structures.

01:07:54.000 By definition, authority would be a form of corporatism, because you're bowing to people who are paying your paycheck.

01:08:00.000 And to your point about saying that you're on the left, Luke's on the left, Tim's on the left, because they support the idea of restricting the corporate powers, I think that's very much a right-wing idea, because if you really care about a free market, you really care about corporate America.

01:08:15.000 It's not left or right.

01:08:16.000 Right, you're not, you would be lack of government interference.

01:08:20.000 You would be small government, you would be, but I think we've safely seen that both sides

01:08:24.000 are no longer what they're supposed to be.

01:08:26.000 It's very blurred.

01:08:27.000 I mean, who's where?

01:08:28.000 It's not left or right.

01:08:29.000 It's if you're paying attention or if you're not paying attention.

01:08:32.000 It's if you're with the corporate globalist establishment or if you're with the individual,

01:08:36.000 if you're for freedom, if you're liberty, if you're for the one individual to be able

01:08:40.000 to live their lives freely without anyone putting their thumb over them.

01:08:44.000 Do you like the Constitution?

01:08:46.000 I love the Constitution.

01:08:47.000 You see, that's the big thing.

01:08:48.000 The authorities, the establishment, the corporations, the governments.

01:08:51.000 I've actually read it.

01:08:52.000 Wonderful.

01:08:53.000 I know, it's fascinating, right?

01:08:54.000 I know, I love it.

01:08:56.000 I love when people start saying stuff like, well, I've read it, so I'm quite familiar.

01:08:59.000 But no, I take that very seriously.

01:09:01.000 I wouldn't swear over a Bible, but I'd swear over the Constitution.

01:09:03.000 They, oh yeah, absolutely, me too.

01:09:05.000 They have, I say they, but like these big corporate interests, these authoritarian, these despotic government officials have tried so hard to crush the working class, and the Constitution has been our saving grace.

01:09:20.000 Right now, with the lockdowns, with what's happening.

01:09:25.000 First thing I want to say, just to keep in kind of line, we're talking about the Chinese spies and stuff.

01:09:28.000 Why isn't China under a lockdown?

01:09:30.000 What's going on?

01:09:31.000 How come we're seeing these big resurgences in Europe and the U.S., but nothing in China?

01:09:34.000 I don't know.

01:09:35.000 I find it all very sad.

01:09:36.000 Look, I've had a lot of questions about this whole thing from the beginning.

01:09:40.000 Like, I am not a COVID denier.

01:09:42.000 I am a complete denier of our ability to contain it and control it.

01:09:45.000 So, to me, I'm also a Darwinist.

01:09:49.000 I mean, it's sad.

01:09:51.000 I'm not denying that it's happening.

01:09:53.000 And I'm doing everything I can to be respectful.

01:09:54.000 Well, that doesn't sound very leftist.

01:09:56.000 I'm doing no.

01:09:56.000 But I also told you when it comes to things like civil liberties, I'm very libertarian.

01:10:00.000 I also believe that there's a lot of personal accountability.

01:10:04.000 So I'm going to do everything I can to be respectful of other people and wear my mask and not, you know, just so that other people I don't want to get someone else sick.

01:10:11.000 Like, I don't want to do that.

01:10:13.000 But I generally don't believe in squishing our civil liberties.

01:10:16.000 You know, I thought of something really funny earlier, like a good idea for a skit, where it's a guy who's wearing a mask but no shirt, and he goes into a store, and they're like, you gotta get out of here, and he's like, what?

01:10:25.000 You can't make me wear a shirt, you're all under, you're being controlled, man, you're being, it's like, you know, my response is, I'm not, I, you know, I don't care about masks.

01:10:33.000 It's like, they put up a sign saying no shirt, no shoes, no service, and they added masks to it, and I'm kinda like, I roll my eyes, like whatever.

01:10:38.000 I mean, it kinda sucks, and I don't like wearing it, but you know what, that's not a sword I'm willing to die on.

01:10:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.76

01:10:44.000 I don't, it doesn't, it doesn't matter.

01:10:46.000 So I forgot exactly where I was going with everything, but I was gonna say that the lockdown has been this massive transfer of wealth in more ways than just shutting down small businesses and keeping open big corporations.

01:10:59.000 The vaccine itself is a massive transfer of wealth.

01:11:02.000 Guaranteed contracts to big pharmaceutical companies, and then they tell them straight up, get the vaccine as fast as possible, there's no liability for you, they're exempt, and then you'll get a guaranteed $2 billion sale.

01:11:12.000 So that's our tax money.

01:11:14.000 I won't take it.

01:11:15.000 You won't.

01:11:15.000 No.

01:11:16.000 You want to know why I won't?

01:11:17.000 Because they were warned, they just, the UK just warned people not to take it if you have allergies.

01:11:21.000 So you, you actually, yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been advised against that.

01:11:25.000 In Russia, they're telling people if you do take the vaccine, you can't drink for two months.

01:11:30.000 Oh, that's interesting.

01:11:32.000 And so why aren't we hearing that about that here?

01:11:35.000 I mean, not that we have... Well, there's a lot of different side effects.

01:11:38.000 And when you look at the list of possible side effects that you could get from this vaccine, There are a little bit uh worrisome to say the least.

01:11:46.000 Well let's let's let's make sure we're in line with the acceptable news guard.

01:11:49.000 Okay.

01:11:51.000 The NPR reports UK regulators tell people with severe allergies not to get the vaccine.

01:11:55.000 I don't think uh I'm actually concerned they said severe allergies because in the trials it was reported in this warning About 1 in 0.685% of people had an anaphylactic reaction.

01:12:10.000 So do you guys know what that is?

01:12:11.000 Your face and eyes swell up, your throat closes.

01:12:14.000 And when they were giving the first run-through, the first release to healthcare workers in the UK, two of the nurses had an anaphylactic reaction.

01:12:21.000 And fortunately they were in a hospital with epipens nearby, epinephrine.

01:12:24.000 So, you've got minutes.

01:12:25.000 I mean, you're gonna asphyxiate.

01:12:27.000 So they jab you with the EpiPen, it's like an adrenaline analog, and then you come back out of it.

01:12:33.000 Very Pulp Fiction.

01:12:34.000 Yes, very Pulp Fiction.

01:12:36.000 They issued a warning saying that the vaccine can only be administered in places that have resuscitation capacity.

01:12:43.000 That's not a selling point.

01:12:44.000 No, no, no, no.

01:12:45.000 Now, the first thing I'll say is, take your advice from your doctor.

01:12:49.000 You know what's really funny?

01:12:51.000 I tweeted this out.

01:12:52.000 Very bland.

01:12:53.000 I said, you know, 0.685% of people had an anaphylactic reaction.

01:12:58.000 UK doctors are advising people with allergies to avoid the vaccine.

01:13:01.000 And then I had a bunch of people calling me an anti-vaxxer.

01:13:03.000 You're an anti-vaxxer.

01:13:04.000 I'm like, what?

01:13:05.000 You're an anti-vaxxer.

01:13:06.000 I'm pro-government in this position, right?

01:13:08.000 The government has said this. 0.99

01:13:09.000 Are you nuts? 1.00

01:13:10.000 Yeah, you run the risk of it's crazy. 1.00

01:13:12.000 You could get banned for saying this stuff and I'm reading NPR.

01:13:15.000 They're warning us about this.

01:13:16.000 Biden just tweeted out that he wants a hundred million vaccines.

01:13:19.000 Yeah.

01:13:19.000 Well, that's the one thing during the presidential debates that Biden and Trump were all on page of.

01:13:24.000 They argued about everything except for the vaccine and how much we need it, how quickly we need to get it out there to everyone.

01:13:30.000 And when you look at the vaccine, we have to understand which one we're talking about because there's many different ones out there.

01:13:36.000 There's many different big pharma companies out there.

01:13:38.000 There's Pfizer.

01:13:39.000 That's the one specifically with the allergies.

01:13:41.000 The Russian one is a completely different vaccine that's out there.

01:13:44.000 But we have to understand a lot of these companies are rushing to be the first to market.

01:13:49.000 That's a very important economic turn for companies that want to make a lot of money.

01:13:53.000 And when you have that and you have no liability, no recourse to get punished if you do something very wrong.

01:13:59.000 What could go wrong?

01:14:00.000 Exactly.

01:14:01.000 Especially from Big Pharma.

01:14:02.000 You could say good things and positive things about them, but they do have a bad record sometimes.

01:14:10.000 I'm not saying anything positive.

01:14:12.000 Well, it depends.

01:14:14.000 There are some people that say that Big Pharma saved their lives.

01:14:17.000 With our tax dollars.

01:14:18.000 Well, a lot of the medicine, especially now that's being used to treat COVID-19 patients, was subsidized by the taxpayer.

01:14:26.000 And now it's being sold at the highest bidder for thousands of dollars at the hospitals, which is absolutely ridiculous.

01:14:32.000 That's how all of it happens.

01:14:33.000 Meanwhile, when there's doctors, there was a pathologist on YouTube.

01:14:38.000 His name's Chris Martinson.

01:14:39.000 He just released a video talking about alternative solutions that there's scientific studies behind.

01:14:44.000 That might actually work.

01:14:46.000 That have been promising.

01:14:47.000 His video gets censored.

01:14:48.000 His video gets taken down.

01:14:49.000 It was fully deleted on YouTube.

01:14:51.000 You're not allowed to do that.

01:14:51.000 Well, look.

01:14:52.000 One of the craziest things was Breitbart getting censored on Facebook.

01:14:56.000 And, you know, I made the joke about NewsGuard.

01:14:58.000 Because, are you familiar with NewsGuard?

01:15:00.000 I reference them quite a bit.

01:15:01.000 They're Microsoft funded, right?

01:15:03.000 I have no idea.

01:15:04.000 It's this, they give a rating to news outlets, says like, green checkmark, red exclamation point.

01:15:09.000 As a safeguard and check on my bias, I, you know, the sources I use are always NewsGuard certified, even though I'm critical of NewsGuard in many ways, I think it's fair to be like, okay.

01:15:16.000 It's a baseline.

01:15:18.000 Yeah, you know, I could be biased and just read Breitbart, but what happened was Breitbart was actually certified and approved until they filmed a press conference from a Republican congressman and a bunch of doctors.

01:15:30.000 That's all they did.

01:15:31.000 They filmed it.

01:15:32.000 They live-streamed it on their Facebook page, it got deleted, and then they got accused of publishing fake news.

01:15:38.000 Because they filmed a press conference.

01:15:40.000 Imagine if you're doing a press conference with Joe Biden, and Joe Biden said, they're going to come after my news organization because Joe Biden said something?

01:15:50.000 That's crazy.

01:15:51.000 That's the level of censorship we're at when it comes to COVID.

01:15:54.000 Now, look, I think I'm reasonable.

01:15:56.000 There's concerns that misinformation could result in people dying.

01:16:00.000 But I think it's kind of crazy that the view of communications technology is that it's... You know, it's that they can review what you say before you can say it to someone else.

01:16:11.000 Whereas it's been precedent for the most of my life, I could call you on the phone and say whatever I want.

01:16:15.000 Well, we live in patriarchy.

01:16:17.000 Yeah, right. 0.98

01:16:18.000 I couldn't call you and threaten I was gonna kill you or anything like that, right? 0.59

01:16:21.000 But I could call you and be like, hey, did you hear about this vaccine? 0.55

01:16:23.000 They're saying if you have an allergy, don't take it.

01:16:25.000 Now what?

01:16:25.000 Are they going to come out and say, oh, we're going to ban you?

01:16:28.000 What concerns me is that they're going to come out and make people take it.

01:16:30.000 And that already is going to start to happen.

01:16:33.000 My husband's a physician and he's going to be forced to take it in order to maintain privileges at the hospital.

01:16:37.000 It depends on the state level.

01:16:38.000 Illinois said that they won't be doing that, but New York is pushing through legislation on the state level that would make it mandatory.

01:16:44.000 And you're talking about legal, right?

01:16:48.000 It doesn't matter what's legal.

01:16:49.000 If the hospital board gets together and decides that they're going to force all their physicians, correct.

01:16:53.000 And so that's how this is done.

01:16:55.000 It doesn't need to be a law.

01:16:56.000 And this is going to be a mandatory thing.

01:16:58.000 And then we have big corporations like Qantas coming out and saying, well, if you want to fly, you're going to have to have the certificate and the government is going to be providing certificates.

01:17:06.000 We're going to get to where you have to show our papers.

01:17:08.000 Show your papers.

01:17:09.000 That's what they're doing in France already.

01:17:11.000 So listen, listen, listen, I'm going to, I'm going to issue an on-air correction.

01:17:14.000 A couple of nights ago, was it last week?

01:17:16.000 I said, Everything's going to be fine.

01:17:19.000 We had a good argument.

01:17:20.000 I'm issuing a correction.

01:17:21.000 I said, nothing's going to happen.

01:17:23.000 They're going to, they're going to give people the vaccine.

01:17:24.000 Like, could you, could you imagine?

01:17:26.000 It's like widespread.

01:17:27.000 I just don't see it happening.

01:17:29.000 We've done things like this.

01:17:30.000 And now here I am sitting here reading a story saying that out of 20, I think it was 20,000 people, 137 had anaphylactic reactions.

01:17:35.000 That's serious.

01:17:38.000 Yeah.

01:17:39.000 Look, I have certain allergies.

01:17:42.000 I will keep a secret.

01:17:44.000 And I've had to be rushed to the hospital because of potential anaphylactic reactions to allergies.

01:17:51.000 And that's very, very scary.

01:17:54.000 There are people who are allergic to peanuts or shrimp.

01:17:56.000 You'll die.

01:17:58.000 The reason they don't do peanuts on planes anymore is because the peanut dust could get in the air and someone could breathe it and just die.

01:18:03.000 You're not allowed to have peanut butter in schools anymore because of that.

01:18:06.000 And that's crazy.

01:18:07.000 Now they're telling me that 0.685% of people, that's more than the fatality rate of COVID.

01:18:14.000 I told you so.

01:18:16.000 You're not allowed to say that.

01:18:17.000 They're going to take this video off.

01:18:19.000 No, but I'm reading The Guardian right here.

01:18:22.000 They say people with a history of significant allergic reactions should not receive the COVID vaccine, the medicines regulator said.

01:18:27.000 That's not my opinion.

01:18:28.000 That's the health experts right now of the NHS in the UK saying this.

01:18:32.000 And I am in agreement with them because they're the experts.

01:18:35.000 Just last week, I was like, I think everything's going to be fine.

01:18:38.000 They're going to make a bunch of money off it. 0.95

01:18:40.000 Now, here I am saying like, I'm reading The Guardian.

01:18:42.000 I was wrong.

01:18:42.000 Well, that is true.

01:18:43.000 They're going to make a lot of money off of it.

01:18:44.000 Oh, definitely.

01:18:44.000 That is definitely true.

01:18:45.000 Guaranteed billions to Big Pharma.

01:18:47.000 Well, that's the whole point of this.

01:18:48.000 And that's why this is something that Biden and Trump agree on.

01:18:51.000 Again, all roads lead to the same financial donors.

01:18:53.000 It doesn't matter.

01:18:55.000 Yeah, but I think Trump's motivation is he wants to look good for the press.

01:18:58.000 Well, I think he has that on everything because the man is one giant ego.

01:19:03.000 But I think in terms of policy that we're going to see, it's going to be whatever creates the most money for the corporations.

01:19:08.000 That's how this is going to work.

01:19:09.000 They are extracting wealth.

01:19:11.000 They're extracting and they're giving it to the rich are going to be just fine.

01:19:14.000 I don't know about the press argument, because you would think after four years after being bombarded by the press, them only complimenting him when he was a warmonger, that it wouldn't matter to Trump.

01:19:24.000 But maybe it does.

01:19:25.000 But he is still, he's trying to maintain some kind of, the biggest popular support as he can, and I'm sure his internal polls show him that people are scared of COVID.

01:19:34.000 And so he's trying to say, we're gonna get the vaccine to you, it'll make him happy.

01:19:36.000 Well, if you look at the polls right now, a lot of people are skeptical of the vaccine.

01:19:40.000 Half of the FDNY, New York City's fire department, said that they won't be taking it.

01:19:44.000 Yep.

01:19:45.000 Well, let's see if they're allowed to do that. 1.00

01:19:47.000 Wasn't it Joe Biden and Kamala Harris?

01:19:49.000 Yeah.

01:19:49.000 Who questioned the vaccine.

01:19:51.000 Yes.

01:19:52.000 I'm like, all right.

01:19:52.000 Like that was it for me.

01:19:53.000 Yeah.

01:19:54.000 But they'll switch sides in a heartbeat as long as they're told to do so.

01:19:58.000 He was like, he was like, I'm not going to take that.

01:20:00.000 No, not until, you know, it's independently certified.

01:20:02.000 And then Trump was like, the New York doesn't get it.

01:20:05.000 And I'm, you know, okay, well, I'll tell you this.

01:20:07.000 First of all, none of us in this room are going to be allowed to get it.

01:20:09.000 We're, we're all not within the first like nine waves, I think.

01:20:14.000 Yeah.

01:20:14.000 I don't want it.

01:20:15.000 Well, there you go.

01:20:16.000 So it doesn't matter to me.

01:20:17.000 That's a club I don't want to be in.

01:20:18.000 Yeah, I can't get in.

01:20:18.000 But what happens when, you know, we saw from Ticketmaster that they're going to put the vaccine thing on the ticket.

01:20:23.000 You want to go to, you want to go to, uh, you know, Australia?

01:20:25.000 Yeah.

01:20:26.000 No, you want to go to a concert.

01:20:27.000 They're going to be like, is your vaccine thing?

01:20:28.000 And I actually really miss concerts.

01:20:29.000 That's one of the things I miss the most with all of this.

01:20:32.000 But, but, um, yeah.

01:20:33.000 And I do think they're going to do stuff like that.

01:20:35.000 It's going to be funny when the resistance is not going to be against like some necessarily like some political figure, but it's going to be, People who are just going to the movies and like having concerts.

01:20:46.000 It's like the nightmare dystopia is that people are gonna be at a rave in the middle of the woods and the police are gonna storm in and be like, you're in violation of quarantine law.

01:20:53.000 Well, there's that.

01:20:54.000 But I also then even can take it a step further and be like, OK, what else is in this vaccine?

01:20:58.000 Are we all getting microchipped?

01:21:00.000 Well, I don't know about that.

01:21:02.000 How far are we from that kind of thing?

01:21:05.000 We're not that far from it, right?

01:21:07.000 So technologically, and this is not something that I think the COVID vaccine is tracking us.

01:21:11.000 You're already microchipped.

01:21:12.000 Well, trust me, if I didn't have kids, I wouldn't have a phone.

01:21:17.000 But that's the thing too, it's like a lot of people assumed that, I remember like 10 or, no it was like 20 years ago, 15 years ago, the VeriChip, remember VeriChip?

01:21:25.000 They're gonna put the RFID chip in your thing.

01:21:27.000 And then people thought it would track you, it's like the range on that is so microscopic.

01:21:31.000 But you literally have a cell phone, everybody has a phone, they know where you are.

01:21:35.000 At all times.

01:21:35.000 You know how Facebook knows when you go to the bathroom?

01:21:38.000 Like we have a recurring joke about it, they do.

01:21:39.000 Well, if your bathroom is in a different location, like if you have to move.

01:21:42.000 No, no, no, they know you'll go to the bathroom before you even know it.

01:21:46.000 So what people don't realize is that Facebook knows so much about you that the AI they have can say things like, they last ate eight hours ago because they went from one location to a location in proximity to a lot of food, you know, food court or a bunch of restaurants.

01:22:01.000 They've been, they went from their primary residence to a work location and now it's around 11 o'clock.

01:22:06.000 They have a profile of you and they're going to be like, in the next 20 minutes, this person will go to the bathroom.

01:22:09.000 You don't even realize it yet, and you're like, time to go to the bathroom.

01:22:11.000 It's like the social dilemma.

01:22:12.000 Did you see that on Netflix?

01:22:13.000 That's basically the premise.

01:22:16.000 Yeah, but again, you mentioned a good point.

01:22:18.000 We don't need microchips.

01:22:20.000 Look at what China's doing with their facial recognition. 0.99

01:22:22.000 I mean, let's pull up the article I sent you guys, because we're finding out that Huawei tested artificial intelligence software that could recognize people if they were Uyghur minorities, and then immediately called the police on them. 0.90

01:22:37.000 Look at this.

01:22:37.000 We have it from the Washington Post.

01:22:39.000 They have a face scanning system.

01:22:40.000 Is that how you say that?

01:22:41.000 Uyghur? 0.99

01:22:42.000 Huawei.

01:22:43.000 Huawei tested AI software that could recognize Uyghur minorities and alert police.

01:22:48.000 For those that don't know, China is currently operating concentration camps with one million Uyghur Muslims detained.

01:22:54.000 The Chinese government is using them as cheap labor and harvesting their organs. 0.99

01:22:58.000 Being able to use facial recognition to identify them is beyond what we ever... In all the nightmare dystopia movies we have, people put their hoods up and they run and they hide and they see the cop go by and they like duck their head.

01:23:11.000 Guess what?

01:23:11.000 In this world, there's gonna be cameras everywhere and they're just gonna know where you are.

01:23:15.000 And this is the same country influencing our politicians.

01:23:18.000 This is the same country... Bragging that Joe Biden is compromised.

01:23:22.000 financing the sons of politicians, sending out spies that help politicians get elected here, named Feng Feng, that are Chinese professional geisha honeypots. 0.78

01:23:34.000 I mean, they're talking about microwaving weapons, gene-splicing super soldiers.

01:23:41.000 I mean, we're in a predicament here that that's really major.

01:23:44.000 They're like the Empire from Star Wars.

01:23:46.000 But we are the Empire.

01:23:48.000 What makes them different?

01:23:49.000 So, you know, you're looking at it from the standpoint of their boundaries, right?

01:23:53.000 So that's a country, and they're acting as a sovereign, and they're doing their own job.

01:23:56.000 They have international... No, but what I'm saying is that it could just as well be anywhere.

01:23:56.000 No, no, no.

01:24:02.000 What we're looking at is the power people that are in charge, the people that are controlling, let's say, the technology, that are controlling all the corporate resources, right?

01:24:09.000 They don't really know nationality.

01:24:11.000 So like to me, I don't care if my oligarchs are Chinese, Russian, or American.

01:24:18.000 It doesn't matter.

01:24:19.000 This is a really important point.

01:24:20.000 As we just noted with the Pope story, it's operating a lot in China, but the interests are these massive corporations.

01:24:27.000 International, globalists.

01:24:28.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:24:29.000 And what concerns me when you talk about it in terms of the Chinese... Are we turning into Alex Jones show? 0.99

01:24:33.000 Well, no.

01:24:34.000 Globalists!

01:24:35.000 But when you say things like the Chinese, it almost puts like a blame on that it's China.

01:24:41.000 And sort of like when Trump calls it the China virus.

01:24:44.000 Right.

01:24:45.000 The Kung Flu.

01:24:46.000 To be correct here.

01:24:48.000 But I think that it almost gives this perception of that it really has to do with their nation.

01:24:54.000 And I don't think that.

01:24:55.000 I think it's bigger than that.

01:24:57.000 Well, the people.

01:24:58.000 And I think, I don't know if it was you who clarified this, but it's the Chinese Communist Party.

01:25:01.000 Yeah.

01:25:02.000 Okay.

01:25:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:03.000 And I think that is the thing.

01:25:03.000 Yeah.

01:25:05.000 And when you say China, I think a lot of people just think, Oh, it's Chinese.

01:25:08.000 No.

01:25:10.000 Well, when you look at the Uyghur Muslim concentration camps, there's even reports that many companies like Nike and Apple benefit off of that human slave labor.

01:25:19.000 Remember when Mulan, was it Mulan, where they did Disney Plus with the movie, and they thanked this paramilitary group that is enslaving people? 0.96

01:25:25.000 Yes.

01:25:26.000 That is in charge of watching the Uyghur Muslims. 1.00

01:25:28.000 Well, I call them I-slaves. 1.00

01:25:30.000 Aren't they called I-slaves, the people that make the iPhones? 0.87

01:25:33.000 And they have the suicide nets outside of the factories.

01:25:36.000 And well, you know, they moved their factory.

01:25:38.000 Their factory used to be in the city.

01:25:40.000 And then enough people were protesting it and not liking it.

01:25:43.000 So then they moved out into like the middle of nowhere, China. 0.90

01:25:46.000 And there's a compound.

01:25:47.000 That's where the ice slaves are. 0.97

01:25:49.000 Yeah.

01:25:49.000 Man.

01:25:50.000 It's a creepy world we live in.

01:25:52.000 But you know what the crazy thing is?

01:25:53.000 We all are sitting here basking in the benefits of this horrifying slave labor out of these camps and these factories.

01:26:01.000 But it happens here.

01:26:02.000 We just call it prison.

01:26:03.000 Oh, definitely.

01:26:04.000 Yeah, I remember when Kanye said something about repealing the 13th Amendment.

01:26:07.000 Do you remember that?

01:26:09.000 I don't listen to Kanye.

01:26:11.000 I try to avoid Kanye.

01:26:13.000 Let me make sure I have this correct.

01:26:14.000 I think he's disturbed.

01:26:16.000 And I also am not into celebrities that are rich for being famous and famous for being rich.

01:26:20.000 I understand your point.

01:26:21.000 No, no, no.

01:26:21.000 Kanye is the greatest musician of this or any generation.

01:26:24.000 Ever.

01:26:25.000 I'm kidding.

01:26:26.000 He's good.

01:26:26.000 I think he makes some good music.

01:26:27.000 Whatever.

01:26:28.000 Stay in your lane.

01:26:29.000 Right, right, right.

01:26:31.000 But no, no, I bring this up because he tweeted that we should abolish the 13th and everyone started going nuts.

01:26:36.000 And what he meant was, though, the 13th Amendment allows slavery if you're convicted of a crime.

01:26:42.000 So Kamala Harris, she kept people in past their terms to use them as cheap labor, but not just that, to fight fires. 1.00

01:26:50.000 You're gonna risk your life for a dollar an hour and we're not letting you leave because we want you to be our front line.

01:26:55.000 They technically give them shortened time.

01:26:58.000 But they were supposed to be already out.

01:27:01.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 Well, it's just, it's crazy.

01:27:03.000 And it's obviously, um, it's slavery. 0.88

01:27:05.000 This is slavery.

01:27:06.000 And no, and he's right.

01:27:07.000 The 13th amendment does that. 0.89

01:27:08.000 That is the one thing.

01:27:10.000 That clause is what has allowed our corrections institutions to run away with what it has.

01:27:14.000 Like that's, that clause has been that, but I mean, obviously abolishing the 13th amendment would not be a good idea otherwise.

01:27:21.000 Get rid of that prison provision.

01:27:22.000 But no, it's true.

01:27:23.000 And that has allowed this to go on for as long as it has.

01:27:25.000 We need prison reform.

01:27:27.000 We in this country, we treat prison like an opportunity for big business.

01:27:30.000 And that's because of the 13th Amendment.

01:27:32.000 It's a profit motive.

01:27:33.000 We need to not have a profit motive.

01:27:34.000 It's because of too much government and too much laws and too many bureaucrats just making things up to satisfy their imaginable public. 1.00

01:27:41.000 Meanwhile, they're working for the corporation.

01:27:42.000 So that's the problem.

01:27:44.000 I remember growing up, the right was very much like, the government is a problem, the corporations are fine, and the left was like, the corporations are the problem, the government is fine.

01:27:51.000 And it's kind of like, you know, it's bad people exploiting any kind of structured system, and they're doing a revolving door between each other to make money and exploit us.

01:28:01.000 Yeah, the lobbies.

01:28:03.000 A corporation, look, you can have a small business as a corporation, and you can have a government of a small town of 2,000 people, and everyone's very happy.

01:28:09.000 Now, when we say corporate, We're talking the big people.

01:28:12.000 Yes, technically, my little Gen Corp is a corporation.

01:28:17.000 We're not exploiting the people.

01:28:18.000 So no, we're talking about the big ones.

01:28:19.000 And when we say government, we mean the revolving door policies of the military-industrial complex and big business.

01:28:24.000 The prison-industrial complex, the big pharma-industrial complex.

01:28:27.000 We could keep going, but I do think there's a big agenda to keep people divided, keep people fighting each other.

01:28:32.000 That's why there's a meme of libertarians beating up other libertarians and laughing at each other.

01:28:37.000 And, you know, even though me and you disagree, like, I got micro-triggered when you say collectivism.

01:28:42.000 I'm sorry.

01:28:44.000 I'm messing with you.

01:28:45.000 I'm joking.

01:28:45.000 I'm being facetious.

01:28:46.000 Okay, because I couldn't clarify what I mean.

01:28:47.000 No, no, no.

01:28:48.000 I'm being very facetious.

01:28:49.000 Because I'm not a communist.

01:28:49.000 I know.

01:28:50.000 I'm being very facetious.

01:28:51.000 I always believe in decentralization, but I believe it's more productive if we could actually sit down and listen to each other and learn from each other rather than just try to win an internet argument and try to be better than each other.

01:29:02.000 And that's why, you know, I thank you for coming here and talking to us because I think it's important to reach out to all the disenfranchised people and say, hey man, enough is enough.

01:29:10.000 Let's all come together and look at the wrongdoings and evils.

01:29:13.000 We have a lot more that we agree on that we don't.

01:29:15.000 Exactly.

01:29:15.000 We do.

01:29:16.000 And there's a big illusion to make us not understand that.

01:29:18.000 So we were talking about Watchmen a couple times in the past few episodes.

01:29:21.000 Are you familiar with the graphic novel or the movie?

01:29:23.000 Okay, I'm married.

01:29:24.000 I was the original Penny.

01:29:26.000 You know Penny from Big Bang Theory?

01:29:28.000 No.

01:29:28.000 You've never watched the Big Bang Theory?

01:29:29.000 I don't like Big Bang Theory.

01:29:30.000 Okay, well it's cheesy, but she's like this one girl that's always in the comic book store.

01:29:34.000 And so when I started dating my husband, he collects comics.

01:29:37.000 Like, he's obsessed with comics.

01:29:38.000 So I was one of those girls that would walk into the comic book store and all the guys were like...

01:29:43.000 What is she doing here?

01:29:44.000 You know, like the crazy... So no, I'm very familiar with The Watchman.

01:29:46.000 The movie was horrible though.

01:29:47.000 Can I say that?

01:29:48.000 I like the movie.

01:29:49.000 The graphic novel is like a masterpiece.

01:29:51.000 With the exception of, what was it, Billy Kudrow naked?

01:29:54.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:29:56.000 I'm pretty sure that I... And the director's cut, they show it all.

01:29:58.000 Okay, see, now that made it worthwhile.

01:30:00.000 But no, I mean, I just didn't...

01:30:01.000 So but you know, like they created in the graphic novel, the alien and fake alien invasion.

01:30:06.000 Yeah.

01:30:06.000 Joe Biden could be that alien invasion.

01:30:09.000 You're assuming that there's a there there.

01:30:11.000 You're assuming that it's there's something in there.

01:30:14.000 Of Joe Biden?

01:30:14.000 Well, yeah.

01:30:15.000 That's what I mean.

01:30:16.000 He's literally like a mannequin.

01:30:19.000 He's a scare populist.

01:30:20.000 Did you see the little video, Weekend at Biden's?

01:30:23.000 Have you seen this thing?

01:30:25.000 I did.

01:30:25.000 It was beautiful.

01:30:27.000 It was amazing.

01:30:27.000 But no, no, no, but he's a scare populist.

01:30:30.000 They put him, they strung him up on a little post and all the left and the right populists are going, ah, like looking at him, you know, like he's bad.

01:30:37.000 Maybe this will be something that unites.

01:30:40.000 Are you saying you think Biden's the great unifier?

01:30:43.000 Well, I mean, jokingly, whether he realizes it or not— By default.

01:30:47.000 He's the hapless, and I think he's crooked, but also— Okay, but I think they're all crooked.

01:30:53.000 I do.

01:30:54.000 I mean, this is—and that's the thing, when you want to sit there and talk about, like, Hunter Biden and all that, please don't get started on, like, Trump's family and Trump's kids.

01:31:00.000 It's like, you're talking about an entire group of people that, by definition, are filthy to be where they are.

01:31:05.000 And we're not in that group.

01:31:07.000 So it's kind of like, that's just splitting hairs.

01:31:09.000 I think Joe Biden is just like almost nothing.

01:31:13.000 Yeah.

01:31:13.000 You know, like... Yeah.

01:31:15.000 It's a shell.

01:31:16.000 He's a vapid shell.

01:31:17.000 He's there and the regular people who are, you know, paying attention, starting to wake up and get active to these exploitation, they see him standing there in the window of the White House just on his post, you know, not really doing anything.

01:31:29.000 And they go like, ah, like something's wrong here.

01:31:31.000 Like we got to do something.

01:31:32.000 It's getting people active.

01:31:34.000 So I think, you know, it's interesting how Aside from the weird woke left, I guess, and they're often in alignment with the establishment, the media, the corporations, they think they're the resistance or whatever.

01:31:47.000 I don't know what you call the non-woke left, but there's like anti-war progressives, they get censored all the time, and they're very much... I'm the non-woke left.

01:31:54.000 But like, the Trump supporters hate war.

01:31:57.000 There was a, I think it's the American... He campaigned on that!

01:32:00.000 Against war, Trump?

01:32:01.000 Yeah!

01:32:01.000 Yeah, I know.

01:32:02.000 And so now Trump is like, I think one of the reasons he really wants to pull the troops out of Afghanistan is because he wants to get as much support from regular people as possible who hate war.

01:32:10.000 So he's like, I'm gonna make it happen.

01:32:13.000 But everybody hates war.

01:32:14.000 Like Luke was saying earlier in the show, every president has campaigned on it because it's popular.

01:32:18.000 People hate it.

01:32:19.000 It's a waste of our energy.

01:32:20.000 I always say this.

01:32:21.000 Why are we allocating so much money to any kind of foreign excursion or intervention when that money could be allocated to Flint fixing the pipes?

01:32:30.000 That's not a priority.

01:32:31.000 It's the craziest thing.

01:32:32.000 Because that doesn't financially benefit the people in charge.

01:32:35.000 The military does.

01:32:36.000 Building roads and creating economic opportunity in these other countries that make money for big corporations and internationalists is good.

01:32:43.000 Making sure that American citizens are benefiting from our community, which guarantees them clean water and not getting Legionnaire's disease, well, that they don't care about.

01:32:51.000 But that's, we have to talk about the collective then.

01:32:53.000 When we talk about clean water, we have to talk about what's in the best interest of the collective.

01:32:56.000 The community.

01:32:57.000 Well, that's what I mean when I say collective.

01:32:59.000 Well, right, you come together as a society to have certain benefits, right?

01:33:03.000 I think we need to come together as disenfranchised people, and then after that, if we are successful, you go on and do your thing how you want to do it in your place. 0.62

01:33:11.000 I'll do it in my place.

01:33:12.000 But that's already benefiting from the collective.

01:33:14.000 And we could have a decentralization, and we could have a commune that does it in a communistic way, and we could have a capitalistic utopia that does it their own way.

01:33:22.000 Just like that video game that we talked about a couple days ago.

01:33:24.000 Didn't Ron Paul say this?

01:33:25.000 There was a quote where he said that In this system, you're free to create your own socialist community.

01:33:31.000 Yes.

01:33:32.000 Chaz, you know? 0.98

01:33:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:34.000 Well, so I put it this way.

01:33:35.000 The reason why I really liked Ron Paul, there were a lot of core issues relating to religion and stuff I didn't agree with.

01:33:41.000 But I remember when I was younger, I thought about it.

01:33:43.000 I was like, if he had his way and he created his libertarian-type society, I could have my more left-leaning community with no one

01:33:52.000 bothering us.

01:33:53.000 Yeah.

01:33:54.000 You know, we can go do our thing.

01:33:55.000 Unless your community is poisoning Earth's water and destroying the air supply.

01:33:57.000 No, but we were the hippies.

01:33:58.000 Like, I worked for Greenpeace.

01:33:59.000 We're the people who are mad about that.

01:34:01.000 And so we were like, we wanted to have our space that would protect and isolate and,

01:34:04.000 you know, like isolate in a sense where it's like, don't come here.

01:34:07.000 Don't mess with our, you know, our clean water and air.

01:34:09.000 This is our, but you can have that in a more libertarian society.

01:34:12.000 Well, the libertarian idea is mainly let be and be as you want.

01:34:17.000 And as long as you're not forcing other individuals under the threat of violence to do something, we're okay.

01:34:23.000 But you know, I always come to that problem of like, I've had conversations with right anarchists or whatever.

01:34:29.000 What happens if I've got a stream for my community and then a mile downstream, some dude starts pooping in it?

01:34:34.000 Can you buy water?

01:34:34.000 know yeah that's like causing sickness and illness to my well you need to know

01:34:38.000 if they have if they subscribe to the common law flow of water if they've got

01:34:42.000 what's called riparian rights and it depends on where you live on the river

01:34:45.000 and you buy waters can you own it you can depend certain states have what's

01:34:50.000 called riparian rights which means that the person at the source is basically in

01:34:55.000 charge of what happens to what goes downstream right But then some states have it where you are in charge of what the water is behind your own property.

01:35:03.000 So it depends on the state.

01:35:04.000 It's state law.

01:35:05.000 It's in my benefit to work out my problems with my neighbors accordingly and in a peaceful manner.

01:35:10.000 And I'd rather have that problem Then have the military-industrial complex creating the worst humanitarian crisis in Yemen right now.

01:35:17.000 So if you have a choice right now, yeah, I'll argue with my neighbor about where to poop. 0.57

01:35:21.000 Sure, I'll do that gladly, any day, if it doesn't mean bombing the crap out of innocent people all over the world.

01:35:29.000 Well, there's different ways of defending yourself and dealing with those problems and situations, but obviously being a sovereign individual, you would, you know, I would go one mile upstream from him and start pooping in his water.

01:35:40.000 Well, and that is, and that's ultimately the problem with this kind of law is that there's, there's no end.

01:35:45.000 It's like leapfrog, like you just keep moving up and it's.

01:35:48.000 That's why we need collectivism, ultimately.

01:35:50.000 If you just let people go, start a community with no laws and they can go pollute the air at will.

01:35:58.000 You gotta clarify that though.

01:35:59.000 And you just go like you said you're joking but you go over there with your gun and you gotta deal with it somehow.

01:36:03.000 And then they gotta deal with you somehow.

01:36:05.000 You gotta clarify what collectivism is because what happens if two collectives start shooting at each other?

01:36:08.000 You got war. 0.71

01:36:09.000 They're not being collective together.

01:36:11.000 When we speak of a collective, I'm talking about whatever it is that substance that we're all paying taxes to.

01:36:17.000 That's the collective.

01:36:18.000 One of the biggest arguments against anarchism or libertarianism is that a bunch of crazy war mongers are gonna take over.

01:36:25.000 Well, look what happens now.

01:36:28.000 Look at the system that we have now.

01:36:30.000 So I would think there would be less harm.

01:36:32.000 I would think there would be less problems once we decentralize power and we don't have psychopaths with nuclear weapons that essentially start wars for profit. 0.99

01:36:41.000 But who's to say that the decentralized communities wouldn't build nuclear weapons?

01:36:45.000 Yeah, they might build crazier weapons, actually.

01:36:47.000 No joke, because the regulations would be extremely different, so... Do they have the resources?

01:36:52.000 Do they have the money?

01:36:53.000 Without a centralized force, it would be very difficult.

01:36:56.000 One of the reasons why the U.S.

01:36:56.000 No, no, no.

01:36:57.000 accelerated in a lot of crazy technology was because of a lack of understanding and regulation.

01:37:02.000 So you had people doing crazy radioactive experiments, so the government creates this overarching lockdown.

01:37:08.000 Doing research on LSD, the whole government's locked it down.

01:37:11.000 If you had disparate pockets of collectives, there could be one place where they're like, you're free to do whatever you want in that regard, and another place saying you can't do that.

01:37:17.000 That's like states.

01:37:19.000 We already have that with states.

01:37:21.000 No, but I mean like the federal government has locked down a lot of specific things.

01:37:24.000 Well, they lock it down when it doesn't benefit them financially, or they can't gain control over it.

01:37:29.000 We could still have a mutual defense agreement with all the different states, but I believe that individuals should determine how they want to live their lives.

01:37:36.000 And I think us getting more involved in local issues, local community politics, is the way to do it.

01:37:43.000 And then when we have this big, overcompensating federal government, we have to limit that as much as we can.

01:37:48.000 But we could still have a national defense and we could still live under the rules of anarchy or libertarianism or socialism or communism, depending on the community that determines what's right for them and their particular circumstance.

01:37:59.000 Because again, the biggest minority is the individual.

01:38:01.000 That's the one that we think we should always look out for over anyone else.

01:38:06.000 We're always big about local.

01:38:07.000 Like that's a big thing for us.

01:38:08.000 It's very local.

01:38:09.000 And people say, how can they get involved?

01:38:10.000 And like the most important thing is local because your needs are different locally.

01:38:13.000 Different communities.

01:38:14.000 I think big cities are bad. 0.57

01:38:15.000 Yeah, they're horrible.

01:38:16.000 I think big cities... They're COVID emporiums now.

01:38:18.000 Yeah, a lot of the complaints we hear about police, it's because the cops don't know or care about you.

01:38:24.000 Yeah.

01:38:24.000 So it's not community-based, they're not there to protect and serve in the sense that, you know, you're a member of my community, I'm gonna look out for you.

01:38:31.000 It's a big city and they bring in cops from one area to police the other area and mix them all around.

01:38:35.000 And then you have, you can't grow food, you can't be self-sufficient, you're reliant on things coming in, the cost of living skyrockets.

01:38:42.000 I think people gotta, you know, be more, I don't want to say rural, but maybe like semi-rural suburban, you know?

01:38:49.000 But it's communal.

01:38:50.000 What you're talking about is kind of a communal thing.

01:38:53.000 Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

01:38:54.000 So I consider myself left libertarian, but the way I describe it is, what people don't understand about left libertarians, it really bothers me, is that whenever they do the political compass memes, the left authoritarian is like the tankies and the communists, and the left libertarian is Antifa.

01:39:07.000 And I'm like, that's not libertarian.

01:39:08.000 You can't go over- Well, see, this is all labels.

01:39:10.000 Like, these are all the labels.

01:39:11.000 This is why it's so hard to deal with this.

01:39:13.000 It's true, and you're trying to define what it is, but I'll try to break it down.

01:39:15.000 Here's what I say.

01:39:17.000 They say that Antifa, they go on protest, they fight, they throw rocks and bricks.

01:39:21.000 It's not libertarian to exert a force over another person.

01:39:24.000 That's- Opposite.

01:39:26.000 Right.

01:39:26.000 Left Libertarian is hippies on a farm sharing, like, yeah, I just grew this watermelon.

01:39:30.000 You want to have some?

01:39:31.000 And they just share.

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 But it's really easy in a small community.

01:39:34.000 It's really hard in cities, and it's really hard scaling up into government, states, and federal level.

01:39:39.000 So it's really easy to set up a farm and have friends and work there and share what you make.

01:39:44.000 It's really hard to do that if you're a federal government with 300 million people.

01:39:48.000 Once you go out into the farm and start working on the land, those people typically become libertarians or anarchists for a reason, because of all the hard work associated with it.

01:39:58.000 Yes, but you could be left libertarian in that, these are my friends, this is my family, and I'm gonna give my watermelon to my friends and family.

01:40:05.000 As long as you're not forcing watermelon down people's throats and using force and aggression with that, then fine, yeah, of course, do that.

01:40:12.000 The history of farms, though, is that they would get invaded and taken.

01:40:15.000 Right.

01:40:16.000 Because the authoritarian structures, one, you know, Genghis Khan for instance, can force people and then just take it over faster than you can defend it.

01:40:23.000 That's why it doesn't scale up very well.

01:40:25.000 It's very difficult to maintain.

01:40:27.000 So ultimately, you know, realistically, I become more liberal than anything.

01:40:32.000 Because you need some kind of authority, not authoritarianism, but some kind of mutual group, self-defense, common defense, etc.

01:40:40.000 Well, someone has to be in charge in a sense that there have to be budgets.

01:40:44.000 If you're living in any sort of society, there has to be some sort of structure.

01:40:48.000 And so somebody does have to be.

01:40:50.000 But it's, you know, you're talking about it could be a board.

01:40:53.000 It could be a committee.

01:40:54.000 It's a commission.

01:40:55.000 And it could be more revolving, too.

01:40:57.000 It should be more revolving.

01:40:59.000 I think the American government is brilliant.

01:41:01.000 We have Congress for passing laws, and it's representing the people, the Senate, the upper changer, representing the states, and the executive branch for quick military decisions in the common defense.

01:41:10.000 However, I think the system has been slowly eroded, and now we have a lot of corruption in it.

01:41:15.000 Yeah, that's going to be tested very soon, especially after the election in Georgia, if the Democrats have full power over all of the government.

01:41:22.000 So that's going to be very interesting to see.

01:41:23.000 And yet I think they'll still do nothing.

01:41:25.000 I disagree.

01:41:26.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:41:27.000 I think in terms of what you're hoping for, you're right.

01:41:29.000 No, I'm talking in terms of like the policy that we're seeking to actually accomplish.

01:41:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:33.000 In terms of selling out the working class.

01:41:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:35.000 No, no, no, no.

01:41:36.000 I actually thought for a second I was thinking about like, you know, helpful democratic policies that are actually in their platform that they might actually do that, but no.

01:41:43.000 No.

01:41:43.000 Yeah, it's going to be a bunch of people in an ivory tower sipping their tea with pinkies out saying, well, now that we've regained control, you know, let's extract more value from these people and give them nothing in return.

01:41:54.000 Let's take super chats!

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:55.000 Because I see a lot of people have a lot of interesting things to say.

01:41:59.000 Cassius Cam says, it wasn't a Chinese spy, it was a coffee cup.

01:42:02.000 PSTim, Luke was right about the Vax. 0.95

01:42:04.000 I did issue a correction.

01:42:06.000 I said I thought everything's gonna be fine, people are gonna get the vaccine, nothing's gonna happen, and I...

01:42:10.000 It's almost like the universe is playing a prank on me.

01:42:13.000 Because I'm like, look, people get flu shots all the time.

01:42:15.000 We don't hear these stories.

01:42:16.000 I have a normal C-Bias. 1.00

01:42:17.000 Do you get a flu shot?

01:42:18.000 No.

01:42:18.000 I don't either.

01:42:19.000 Never since I stopped working at the hospital.

01:42:21.000 If you haven't already, smash that like button and get your superchats in.

01:42:25.000 We'll read through as many as we can.

01:42:27.000 Daniel Ashley says, where can we find you when Google de-platforms you?

01:42:29.000 Down by the river fishing.

01:42:32.000 That's the best I can say.

01:42:33.000 Did something just go by saying Jen loves men in diapers?

01:42:36.000 I mean, maybe.

01:42:38.000 I swear that I just saw something fly by that says Jen likes men in diapers. 1.00

01:42:42.000 Don't read the chat, whatever you do.

01:42:44.000 I just thought that was funny.

01:42:44.000 No, no, no.

01:42:46.000 What does that mean?

01:42:47.000 What is happening?

01:42:49.000 The chat is happening.

01:42:50.000 Max Power says martial law now.

01:42:52.000 Stop the Great Reset, stop the lockdowns.

01:42:55.000 Uh, you know, martial law would just be civil war.

01:42:58.000 If that really happened.

01:42:58.000 I'd say, just, it's a bad idea.

01:43:01.000 Okay, let's see what we got here.

01:43:03.000 Carlos Cruz says, suggestion, the authoritarians shouldn't be called communists.

01:43:05.000 There are too many who view communism favorably.

01:43:07.000 Call them neo-feudalists.

01:43:09.000 No defense.

01:43:09.000 Interesting.

01:43:10.000 Well, I actually think it's a better way to put everything because what we're seeing with COVID lockdowns and the extraction of wealth and the corporations and everything, it's very much like a neo-feudalism.

01:43:21.000 They're stripping the wealth and ownership away from the working class to make them subservient to the machine. 1.00

01:43:26.000 They're essentially neo-serfs. 0.91

01:43:28.000 Yeah.

01:43:29.000 And just like you said, capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system out there.

01:43:33.000 That's correct, yeah.

01:43:34.000 And what these big businesses and corporations and the Pope are proposing is... Redefining capitalism.

01:43:39.000 But it's not capitalism.

01:43:40.000 It's a bunch of powerful interests who control the foreign resources.

01:43:43.000 Feudalism.

01:43:43.000 And I thought, we've pretty much said it's socialism.

01:43:46.000 It's socialism for the rich.

01:43:49.000 If it were really capitalism and they were really having to be survival of the fittest and let the market decide, most of them wouldn't be around anymore.

01:43:55.000 They're like that because they've bought off enough policies.

01:43:58.000 Just like the big banks in 2008.

01:43:59.000 It's kind of like once they went off the gold standard to this fiat currency, they became socialist.

01:44:06.000 Because it allows them to extract value.

01:44:08.000 Unlimited amounts.

01:44:09.000 Exactly.

01:44:10.000 They just print money.

01:44:11.000 Yep.

01:44:11.000 On the gold standard, you need gold to buy things.

01:44:14.000 You need that value.

01:44:15.000 So the fiat system allows them to just, like, if all of us were working and trading and I could print money, I could just sit here, do no work, and just print the money and give it to you and you'd accept it.

01:44:25.000 That's what they're doing.

01:44:26.000 The gold standard stopped that.

01:44:27.000 So what was it, Trump tried appointing this woman who won the gold standard back and then everyone blocked her?

01:44:33.000 I love it.

01:44:34.000 It's fun, isn't it?

01:44:35.000 Desiree Smith says, do you have another platform besides YouTube?

01:44:37.000 Yes!

01:44:38.000 The Tim Pool Daily Show and Timcast IRL are on all podcast platforms.

01:44:43.000 So, Spotify and iTunes.

01:44:44.000 Go check it out, subscribe, and leave a good review.

01:44:46.000 It boosts up the show in the rankings, and then people will find the show more, and then it creates a snowball effect, so it would be really great.

01:44:52.000 Also, if you miss the live show, you can check it out there, too.

01:44:56.000 Midnight in Exile says, I'd love to know if this woman understands that she betrayed her country to China for a superficial feeling of superiority and social belonging.

01:45:04.000 I'd love to know how that sits with her psyche.

01:45:07.000 First of all, this woman is Jen Perlman.

01:45:08.000 They're talking about me?

01:45:10.000 That's about me?

01:45:10.000 I don't think they were talking about me.

01:45:12.000 Well, no, I thought they were... That's about... What did I do?

01:45:15.000 They're talking about Biden and Biden's ties to China.

01:45:18.000 Yeah, it's not.

01:45:20.000 I know.

01:45:20.000 Again, I'm not proud of it.

01:45:21.000 I own it.

01:45:23.000 But I also have to say that given where I am and the change that I'm trying to make and what I'm trying to do and us on a local level and building up a name and building up a platform, there are certain things that unfortunately I have to live with within the Democratic Party that I just do.

01:45:37.000 I mean, you could lie and say you didn't vote for him, but you're saying you did.

01:45:39.000 And also... I'm owning it because that's who I am and that's what I do.

01:45:42.000 And again, I'm not proud of that choice.

01:45:44.000 It's not like I'm, again, not defending it.

01:45:46.000 I'm not saying anybody else should do it.

01:45:48.000 I could have gone a few different ways.

01:45:49.000 I also think, you know, my response to you, Midnight in Exile, is I think you should be soft touch.

01:45:55.000 You've got, you know, Jen here is very much in agreement on a lot of the things.

01:45:58.000 We have a great conversation.

01:45:59.000 So she's certainly willing to have a conversation.

01:46:01.000 We've got to make sure that when we're talking to people who, like, voted for Biden, we don't just Yeah, I'm not promoting him.

01:46:07.000 Let me be very clear.

01:46:08.000 Like, I didn't promote him.

01:46:10.000 I've only criticized him.

01:46:12.000 I made it very clear when I was open about that I did, that this by no means negates that I hold him accountable for all his bad choices, policies, and very, very credible sexual assault allegations.

01:46:21.000 Yeah, I mean, were you following the story about Di Dongsheng in this speech he gave about the Bidens being compromised or anything like that?

01:46:28.000 No, I will not.

01:46:30.000 I'm not.

01:46:31.000 That's the thing, too.

01:46:31.000 I think a lot of people assume that everyone knows what they know.

01:46:34.000 And if you've got somebody who's willing to have a conversation and we, for the most part, agree on, like, big corporations, you know, exploitative corporations and government are extracting our resources, well, then let's flies with honey.

01:46:46.000 I mean, I am not the person that is selling anybody out.

01:46:49.000 I'm just, you know, I'm just a person trying to do service and help.

01:46:52.000 I mean, it's like I was between a rock and a hard place.

01:46:55.000 And quite honestly, the damage that it would do to my movement.

01:46:58.000 If I didn't support Joe and was out there saying that, that would end up hurting the progress that we're trying to make for ignorant means and reasons.

01:47:07.000 And that doesn't serve what we're trying to do, which is ultimately help people.

01:47:11.000 So there is a certain amount of strategy that has to just be in play.

01:47:15.000 I just think it's, you know, for most people, a rock and a hard place.

01:47:17.000 I think Biden's substantially worse.

01:47:19.000 But I also think I'm not the smartest person in the world and I'm morally superior to other people.

01:47:24.000 So I don't know.

01:47:25.000 You know, other than having a conversation and trying to convince people, let's let's talk about policies, I guess.

01:47:28.000 That's all I do.

01:47:29.000 I do that.

01:47:30.000 That's mostly what I do is talk about policy.

01:47:32.000 This is what I'm about.

01:47:33.000 Yeah.

01:47:34.000 What's that look, Luke?

01:47:35.000 You got a look on your face.

01:47:35.000 No, no, no.

01:47:36.000 I'm reading the comments there.

01:47:37.000 Okay.

01:47:38.000 I love the comments.

01:47:39.000 Do they hate me?

01:47:39.000 All right.

01:47:40.000 Are they hating me?

01:47:41.000 No.

01:47:42.000 Let's see.

01:47:43.000 Daniel Maxwell says, the Texas case being heard by SCOTUS is the best chance of the election being resolved peacefully.

01:47:48.000 The left will explode, but then things will settle down and go forward in a peaceful manner.

01:47:52.000 I'm not convinced there's a resolution there.

01:47:54.000 I mean, we saw how bad it was when Trump legitimately won.

01:47:58.000 What do you think's gonna happen if he gets this Supreme Court victory?

01:48:02.000 It's gonna be crazy.

01:48:04.000 I mean, and what do you think's gonna happen if the Supreme Court says no to 17 states challenging the results?

01:48:09.000 Like, we're in a seriously rough spot right now.

01:48:11.000 Yeah, to say the least.

01:48:12.000 There's no win.

01:48:14.000 Yeah.

01:48:15.000 And that's the thing.

01:48:16.000 There's no win.

01:48:17.000 I mean, there's not an easy answer to any of this.

01:48:20.000 Lone Wolf says, Will you guys promise to continue producing as long as it's viable for you to do so?

01:48:24.000 We are all grasping to the thin few remaining strands of sanity, and the nation needs you as one of the strongest threads we have.

01:48:30.000 Well, I appreciate that, and if you think the show is good, then please consider sharing it and letting people know to watch and check us out and leave reviews and comment and all that stuff.

01:48:37.000 Alright, looks like we got some criticism.

01:48:39.000 Versi says, Typical leftist. 0.99

01:48:41.000 Says she's everything that's right about her party, then proceeds to give examples as to why her party sucks. 1.00

01:48:46.000 Says she doesn't like them, but says she is one of them and says she won't vote for them but does. 0.98

01:48:53.000 Well, I don't.

01:48:54.000 I generally don't vote for them.

01:48:55.000 This is something that is really upsetting.

01:48:58.000 This is a total strawmanning situation.

01:49:00.000 Like, everybody's in one category.

01:49:03.000 I don't sing any praises about that.

01:49:05.000 Oh, I mean, the left is a million different.

01:49:07.000 It is.

01:49:07.000 And the reality is, I live in a closed primary state in an extremely gerrymandered district.

01:49:14.000 So the only way for us to make any progress, which being the only way for us to oust somebody like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is to do so within the confines of the Democratic Party.

01:49:24.000 Trump did it with the Republicans.

01:49:25.000 This is my reality.

01:49:27.000 I'm not there by philosophical choice.

01:49:30.000 So you can call me a typical lefty.

01:49:31.000 I'm dealt with the card that I'm dealt.

01:49:33.000 I live in a place where if I were to run as an independent, I would get absolutely nowhere.

01:49:38.000 So, you know, it's just a matter of the puritanical principles of it all is not worth throwing away our entire strategy to try to help people with policy.

01:49:47.000 The way I see it is if they're mad that you voted for Biden, but you're still willing to have a conversation and oppose the establishment machine, they should take the allies where they can get them.

01:49:55.000 It's better than having no support.

01:49:57.000 I say the same thing to the people on the establishment left.

01:50:00.000 They can't stand that I affiliate with Republicans.

01:50:03.000 I go to the Republican meetings in our district because we have a lot in common.

01:50:07.000 I actually met people protesting the oil drill in the Everglades.

01:50:11.000 Those are Republicans.

01:50:12.000 So if we can agree on that, let's work on that.

01:50:14.000 I don't care what your issue is on choice.

01:50:15.000 That's another issue.

01:50:16.000 We can work on this fracking in the Everglades thing.

01:50:18.000 Let's do that.

01:50:19.000 Wow, really?

01:50:21.000 Fracking in the Everglades?

01:50:23.000 Fracking everywhere.

01:50:25.000 But we finally had a major showdown in Florida because a company owned this huge portion of land in the Everglades and they were going to start drilling there.

01:50:33.000 And it is so dangerous to do that for so many reasons, not to mention it's close to our drinking water.

01:50:38.000 Forget if you don't care about the other ecosystems.

01:50:40.000 But yeah, and the Republican organization is against this and I'm against this.

01:50:45.000 So yet I have people in my group, on my team, that criticize me for having relationships across that aisle.

01:50:53.000 So, I am just a person who is trying to serve my community and get the best policies to help the most amount of people and try to avoid as many labels as possible.

01:51:01.000 That's really what I'm trying to do.

01:51:03.000 Gary Bane says, I think we are on the verge of civil war.

01:51:03.000 Right on.

01:51:06.000 People are hoping and waiting for the best.

01:51:09.000 After that, people do not feel that we have any law on our side.

01:51:12.000 Then we don't need them, meaning we will need to remove people however needed.

01:51:19.000 Can you feel this?

01:51:21.000 Kind of hard to understand, I guess.

01:51:22.000 Well, look at how the law is being bastardized right now with all the lockdowns and police officers arresting people for being in their own businesses and not doing anything wrong or illegal or immoral.

01:51:32.000 And officers literally cage you up, put you in a cell where you're not social distancing all for the crimes of not social distancing.

01:51:40.000 So I think he's talking about the breakdown of rule of law, since it's pretty much politicians living on high horses, sending out their decrees and mainly democratic cities that are causing so much human suffering right now.

01:51:52.000 So, it's going to be interesting to see how people come out of that.

01:51:54.000 I predicted this to you, Jen, earlier.

01:51:56.000 Yeah, Royal Raptor says this woman is not the left She can say whatever she wants 1.00

01:52:01.000 But the real left are the ones making moves in Capitol Hill and making laws for or for people or people with social

01:52:07.000 power Her left she claims to be is dead. That's why us right use 1.00

01:52:11.000 the term remember earlier I was saying that people are gonna say you're not really

01:52:14.000 the left Yeah.

01:52:14.000 No, it's funny, but when you look at what we consider the left or left of center, right?

01:52:19.000 So left of center are the kind of social policies that I am a proponent of, right?

01:52:24.000 Left of center, you have things like Medicare for all, you have a living wage, you have increased taxing on the rich, you have basically an economy that works for everybody, that works for working people.

01:52:35.000 So what I represent, when we say the left, I am of the labor party that no longer exists.

01:52:42.000 So what used to be the left, when we say left, to me, we think working people, we think the labor, the labor movement left.

01:52:49.000 That's the right these days.

01:52:50.000 Well, now it is.

01:52:51.000 Now it is.

01:52:52.000 But it wasn't always that way.

01:52:54.000 I mean, look, when FDR gave us the New Deal, that was about helping save capitalism from imploding by having people still be able to be consumers.

01:53:03.000 You cannot have capitalism without consumers.

01:53:05.000 So I mean, I don't I mean, I'm going by the labels that are given to me by everybody else.

01:53:11.000 I don't really like to use labels.

01:53:12.000 So you know, you guys are really the ones that more call me left.

01:53:15.000 I'm just simply differentiating myself from who you call that woke left.

01:53:19.000 Do you ever look into auditing and repealing the Federal Reserve Act?

01:53:23.000 Um, no, but I'm not a fan of the Federal Reserve.

01:53:26.000 So I mean, I could look into that.

01:53:28.000 I mean, I'm open to that.

01:53:29.000 I'm a pretty open person.

01:53:30.000 Like, my goal is to help as many people as possible.

01:53:32.000 So I don't have a particular, like, dogma, right?

01:53:36.000 Like, I don't have a particular thing.

01:53:38.000 I want people to have Medicare.

01:53:39.000 I want people to be able to work 40 hours a week and be able to live.

01:53:43.000 You know, that's what I want.

01:53:44.000 So anything that will facilitate that is going to be something I'll support.

01:53:47.000 Well, we got a couple good superchats.

01:53:49.000 James O'Connor says, yes, this is the conversation that needs to be had.

01:53:52.000 Trump has, Trump was, has been the biggest threat to the military-industrial complex, but is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.

01:53:59.000 Why he is being discredited, not assassinated.

01:54:02.000 And then Rob Walter says, love the guest and discussion.

01:54:05.000 You kids are the hope for our country.

01:54:07.000 I'm 54, he says.

01:54:08.000 We need to talk.

01:54:09.000 That's my peer.

01:54:11.000 Thank you.

01:54:12.000 We need to talk, respect differences, find common ground, and make it cool to love our Constitution.

01:54:17.000 Too funny Tim did not know who Wilt Chamberlain is.

01:54:19.000 Yeah, that was funny.

01:54:20.000 Because Wilt Chamberlain was here the other day?

01:54:22.000 By the way, when you kept saying that, I kept picturing Wilt Chamberlain.

01:54:24.000 Wilt Chamberlain?

01:54:25.000 Yes!

01:54:26.000 I didn't know who, like, I kept picturing that, and I'm picturing Wilt Chamberlain.

01:54:29.000 Yeah.

01:54:30.000 When I first met him, I'm like, wait, Wilt Chamberlain?

01:54:33.000 Is that the, wait, what?

01:54:34.000 Did he sleep with like 30,000 women? 0.99

01:54:34.000 I know that name. 0.99

01:54:36.000 Yes.

01:54:37.000 It's something, I always say, look, when I meet like athletes, I'm like, they should be aspiring for Wilt Chamberlain numbers.

01:54:42.000 I would be.

01:54:43.000 Highest 100 points in a game or something.

01:54:46.000 You're talking about points, not women. 0.99

01:54:51.000 I don't think Trump was a threat to the military-industrial complex at all.

01:54:54.000 I think he just played the game.

01:54:55.000 He talked big game, and then he drone-bombed war, and then just didn't do anything. 0.55

01:54:59.000 He did what everyone did.

01:55:00.000 He didn't do anything that would upset the boat at all.

01:55:00.000 They said what was popular.

01:55:03.000 But in the past couple of years, he's gone so hard against them, Democrats and Republicans united to stop him and lie to him.

01:55:08.000 What does he do?

01:55:09.000 He does lip service.

01:55:10.000 He doesn't do anything.

01:55:11.000 He fired the Pentagon top brass to put in people that would- He lied to them, like, two weeks ago.

01:55:11.000 What do you mean?

01:55:16.000 Yes, and it's been an ongoing news story that he was lied to in order to keep troops in the Middle East, and he's been actively trying to get them out.

01:55:22.000 That came out two weeks ago, too.

01:55:23.000 Like, he had four years of doing just warfare.

01:55:26.000 The story about the Syria line was actually years ago when they did this.

01:55:30.000 Trump was trying to pull the troops out of Syria a long time ago and they lied to him to keep the troops there.

01:55:34.000 I mean, it was like, what, four troops he wanted to pull out?

01:55:36.000 No, I think it was a few thousand.

01:55:38.000 And then they said, there's only 200 left.

01:55:39.000 He said, okay, there's actually substantially more.

01:55:41.000 We don't know.

01:55:42.000 We have like 120 military bases all over the world.

01:55:45.000 I just think it's too overly pessimistic.

01:55:47.000 We have close to a thousand military bases.

01:55:49.000 Those are the ones that we know of that are underwater.

01:55:50.000 Some of those are like black ops things.

01:55:52.000 And it's interesting because there are sites, there are things that we don't even include in that number, but that are out there.

01:55:59.000 Like nuclear submarines.

01:56:01.000 Oh, I don't know about that, but I know that there's somebody who I'm looking at talking to for an interview who was an insider person that came across a U.S.

01:56:09.000 op site in Uzbekistan that was not even registered and they were doing torture there.

01:56:14.000 And this is somebody, this was like, I want to say the British ambassador, like he's not an American.

01:56:18.000 This is somebody else.

01:56:19.000 And he ended up losing his job for pointing that out.

01:56:22.000 And I learned this from my interview with John Kiriakou.

01:56:25.000 I don't know if you're familiar with John Kiriakou.

01:56:27.000 John Kiriakou is a whistleblower.

01:56:28.000 He's a CIA analyst and he actually did 23 months.

01:56:32.000 He's the person who exposed the torture.

01:56:34.000 Oh, that's right.

01:56:35.000 Did they go after him for that?

01:56:37.000 Yeah.

01:56:37.000 No, he did 23 months.

01:56:38.000 And 23 months in actual prison, not club fed.

01:56:38.000 That's right.

01:56:41.000 And so he's the one who told me about this.

01:56:42.000 So there's this site just randomly in Uzbekistan where we're just committing torture.

01:56:46.000 And the person who pointed that out, of course, is the person who gets fired.

01:56:50.000 Listen, if you're not going to praise someone when they do something good, they'll never do anything good.

01:56:54.000 But to the point, he didn't go after the military, but if he did, they would have killed him.

01:56:59.000 I can't hold his feet to the fire that hard.

01:57:01.000 It comes down to one of my core philosophies is that if someone is doing something bad,

01:57:05.000 you criticize them.

01:57:06.000 If they do something good, you praise them.

01:57:08.000 If you're just going to say, no, I don't care, Trump's bad no matter what he tried to do,

01:57:11.000 well then why would he ever try to do better?

01:57:14.000 I kind of agree with that.

01:57:15.000 I tried to be on his side for the sake of it, but the fact that we don't know how many people he killed with drone bombs because he made it that way is psychotic.

01:57:23.000 No new wars.

01:57:24.000 And so- The drone war.

01:57:25.000 Yeah, see that's- No, no, no, listen, listen.

01:57:27.000 Yeah, no, you're both right.

01:57:29.000 He upped drones early on, and I railed on him relentlessly for the first couple of years.

01:57:33.000 After he fired Bolton, things started calming down in terms of the things he was doing.

01:57:37.000 That we know of.

01:57:38.000 Yes, of course.

01:57:39.000 So all I can do is say he literally signed these four historic peace deals.

01:57:43.000 He's been trying to remove the troops for a long time now, and Democrats and Republicans are blocking him, and they're lying to him for years.

01:57:50.000 So I'm going to do this.

01:57:51.000 I'm going to say Trump's not perfect.

01:57:53.000 I don't like the Iran stuff. 0.97

01:57:54.000 I don't like the drone strikes, the potential escalation with Iran, the killing of the scientists and all that stuff.

01:58:00.000 But if Trump's going to get our troops out of there, that's going to end all of that.

01:58:03.000 And so I'm going to do this.

01:58:05.000 If somebody's doing something bad, I'll criticize them.

01:58:07.000 The moment they do something good, I'll say, thank you for doing the right thing.

01:58:10.000 Because if you don't, they'll never be incentivized to do the right thing.

01:58:13.000 It's the best you can do.

01:58:15.000 Yeah.

01:58:15.000 So Trump says, get the troops out.

01:58:17.000 I say, thank you, Donald Trump.

01:58:18.000 You're the best.

01:58:18.000 That's so amazing.

01:58:19.000 Please get our troops out.

01:58:20.000 But then do you hold him accountable when he doesn't do it?

01:58:23.000 Yeah, I'll say, and there we go again, just like, you know.

01:58:26.000 So, look, he campaigned on ending the wars, and then once he got in, I was like, Bolton.

01:58:30.000 It was the funniest thing ever when he hired him.

01:58:32.000 But what did he think would happen with that?

01:58:35.000 Like, and you know what?

01:58:36.000 He's not perfect.

01:58:37.000 No, no, no.

01:58:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:38.000 He's actually naive.

01:58:38.000 When you're in that position, you have a duty to sort of know when you're staffing and have, like, I'm sorry, how can you not know who John Bolton is?

01:58:47.000 Or how about bringing in Elliott Abrams to go and solve the problem in Venezuela?

01:58:52.000 That's not going to help.

01:58:53.000 I think Trump underestimated the, what's the right word?

01:58:57.000 The entrenchment of the establishment machine or the deep state.

01:59:01.000 Well, that's what we were talking about before.

01:59:03.000 And I think, but if he really did something about it.

01:59:05.000 really did something about it, then he would no longer be with us.

01:59:08.000 Well, you know, maybe this will be the best lame duck session ever.

01:59:11.000 And we'll see what happens with these lawsuits.

01:59:14.000 Maybe it won't be.

01:59:15.000 If Trump gets reelected, he's going to go nuclear against all of this.

01:59:18.000 It's going to be, he's going to be flipping tables.

01:59:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:21.000 But in the event he doesn't, maybe in the next month, he'll start flipping tables.

01:59:23.000 And we'll see.

01:59:24.000 One could only hope there'll be less government.

01:59:26.000 I just don't think that's going to happen.

01:59:29.000 I don't see that happening.

01:59:30.000 I know, I know.

01:59:31.000 You're definitely like, I mean, you're a little bit more utopian than me with that.

01:59:35.000 That was a sarcastic comment, yes.

01:59:36.000 All right, Joseph Flynn says, always good to hear from people who aren't wholly committed to the tribe.

01:59:41.000 If I lived in the correct district, I'd vote for you.

01:59:43.000 Shmi Skywalker for Supreme Chancellor.

01:59:46.000 Okay.

01:59:46.000 I think you mean the leftist, the left tribe?

01:59:50.000 Matt Wesley says, Tim, would you agree civil war starts when peaceful talking stops?

01:59:55.000 Americans have stopped peaceful talking. 0.87

01:59:57.000 We live in two different realities.

01:59:58.000 It was actually the CEO of Axios.

02:00:00.000 He said that America is the decoupling is going to begin.

02:00:03.000 He fears this.

02:00:04.000 That the two different realities are now so far apart that that's it.

02:00:08.000 There's just two different Americas now. 0.83

02:00:10.000 Yeah.

02:00:11.000 That's when I think we're on the cusp of conflict.

02:00:14.000 I can't believe 17 states have signed on to it.

02:00:17.000 I am curious where that goes.

02:00:18.000 Like, I'm one of the people that I'll make comments on that when we see what the facts are and where it actually goes before.

02:00:24.000 It's sort of like you can jump on that now, but it could end up going nowhere.

02:00:27.000 Keith Biggin says, Tim, please offer Luke a long term seat on the podcast.

02:00:31.000 He makes a great addition.

02:00:32.000 And it's really it's really nice to wake up and see him, you know, sitting in the parking lot, living there.

02:00:36.000 In my bathrobe.

02:00:38.000 Where were you before the parking lot?

02:00:40.000 Before the parking lot.

02:00:40.000 New Hampshire.

02:00:42.000 In another parking lot.

02:00:44.000 In New Hampshire.

02:00:46.000 We are going to buy a big... Were you really in a commune?

02:00:48.000 Yeah.

02:00:48.000 That's really cool.

02:00:49.000 But it was like a narco... It's a part of the Free State Project, which is a group of individuals moving to New Hampshire to eliminate the government. 0.61

02:00:49.000 Yeah. 0.61

02:00:57.000 Yes.

02:00:57.000 Oh, we probably shouldn't say that on air.

02:00:59.000 Peacefully.

02:01:00.000 Peacefully.

02:01:00.000 Yes.

02:01:01.000 Through legislative measures, which is kind of an oxymoron, but it's a bunch of individuals who believe in self-responsibility.

02:01:06.000 Okay, that makes more sense.

02:01:07.000 Yes.

02:01:07.000 That just sounds like terrorism.

02:01:08.000 Well, that's what I said.

02:01:09.000 Yes.

02:01:10.000 Royal Raptor says, Tim, you don't care about masks, but you don't have to wear one all day.

02:01:13.000 I work in tech and have to have a mask on every day for like eight hours, and if I don't have it on, and I'm not eating, I get fired instantly, so rethink masks.

02:01:20.000 Well, no, I agree with you on that.

02:01:22.000 I'm talking about going to the store.

02:01:23.000 I wasn't talking about being at your job.

02:01:24.000 That's messed up, and that's a serious problem.

02:01:27.000 Um, I don't know the solution is to that.

02:01:29.000 You know, companies are going to have their rules.

02:01:31.000 If I go to the store and they tell me that I have to wear a mask, I'm kind of like, I gotta wear a shirt too.

02:01:35.000 So I'm going to be in here for 20 minutes.

02:01:37.000 It's I'm not super concerned.

02:01:39.000 Yeah.

02:01:39.000 Eight hours is crazy for sure.

02:01:40.000 Especially if you see the, I see the photos of the doctors, the lines on their faces.

02:01:44.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 It's crazy too.

02:01:47.000 Vsidia says, just wanted to point out, none of these sites ever fact check.

02:01:51.000 YouTube will ban me.

02:01:51.000 I can't read that.

02:01:53.000 I would have read it.

02:01:55.000 I would like to read it.

02:01:56.000 Luke has merchandise that says that.

02:01:57.000 So we can be there in print and you just can't say it?

02:01:59.000 No, they banned it.

02:02:01.000 They banned that merchandise.

02:02:02.000 I have to have a second store just for that merchandise.

02:02:05.000 It's about an individual and not doing a thing.

02:02:08.000 That's all I can say.

02:02:09.000 It's about an individual for over 30 years.

02:02:12.000 He's a guy who had an island.

02:02:14.000 Yes.

02:02:14.000 And with presidents who went there.

02:02:15.000 They banned that?

02:02:16.000 Yes.

02:02:17.000 That's amazing.

02:02:19.000 Welcome to Despotic Overlord, Nightmare Dystopia.

02:02:23.000 So, you know, whatever.

02:02:26.000 All right, let's see.

02:02:27.000 Oh, we jumped down.

02:02:28.000 Anton Maxson says, Google News, U.S.

02:02:30.000 currency on the Behance... What is this?

02:02:32.000 Behance site? 0.74

02:02:34.000 Will this be U.S.

02:02:35.000 blockchain currency?

02:02:35.000 Looks pretty cool, actually.

02:02:36.000 Please take a look.

02:02:37.000 And should I run for city council or another position?

02:02:40.000 I am one block left of center on policy.

02:02:42.000 Where do I start?

02:02:43.000 Is that for me?

02:02:44.000 Not necessarily, but sure.

02:02:45.000 Where does someone start if they want to run for office?

02:02:47.000 I have a lot of opinions about that.

02:02:48.000 So this needs to be something that's a ground-up, not a top-down approach.

02:02:52.000 So running for office needs to, if it wants to be successful, it should most be organic.

02:02:58.000 So it isn't a matter of you deciding, I want that job, now let me go sell myself to those constituents.

02:03:03.000 You're going to be most successful when you actually represent those constituents naturally, organically.

02:03:07.000 And the way to do that is to get involved locally and move your way up.

02:03:11.000 But every market and every district is different.

02:03:14.000 So whether or not, what did he say, he was just center or whatever he said he is?

02:03:19.000 One block left is center.

02:03:20.000 I mean, that really depends on where that is, what that district is, what the incumbent looks like.

02:03:27.000 Because there's so many variables.

02:03:29.000 It's not a matter of whether you want that.

02:03:31.000 You can want that, but that doesn't make it happen.

02:03:34.000 And not everybody is cut out for this.

02:03:35.000 It really takes a very particular kind of person to be able to even campaign, let alone once you win.

02:03:40.000 So it takes some soul-searching.

02:03:43.000 That's what I think.

02:03:45.000 Ian Greenwood says, Jen, thank you for your principles and being on the show.

02:03:47.000 Thanks Tim and team for your service.

02:03:49.000 Appreciate it.

02:03:51.000 Eric Martindale says, read David Friedman's Machinery of Freedom, or watch the video summary.

02:03:56.000 Squarely resolves the question of rights enforcement and arbitration in an anarchist society.

02:04:00.000 I will check that out, definitely.

02:04:02.000 Michael Clouds says, Tim, you say you are willing to allow anyone who has been shadowbanned and deplatformed on your show, yet you seem to be scared of Nick Fuentes.

02:04:09.000 Why?

02:04:10.000 I won't have just anyone on the show for any reason, and just because someone's banned doesn't mean I'll have them on the show.

02:04:16.000 I have no problem with Nick Fuentes or having him on the show at all.

02:04:18.000 In fact, there's some friends of mine who are actually adamantly being like, dude, you definitely got this guy on the show.

02:04:24.000 It's just an issue of maximizing relevance.

02:04:27.000 And also, one of the challenges is I'm trying to avoid setting a precedent of people coming in chat and constantly berating me with who I have to have on the show.

02:04:35.000 And I've been worried that because there's been such a heavy push for Fuentes, that if I immediately just react to a comment saying, okay, we'll have him, then people are going to start sending emails and constantly berating us and demanding us to have people on the show.

02:04:48.000 Is this a democracy?

02:04:51.000 Is what the show?

02:04:52.000 Because, yeah, it shouldn't be.

02:04:53.000 It's not.

02:04:54.000 And may I ask who that is?

02:04:57.000 Because I don't even know who you're talking about.

02:04:59.000 America First.

02:04:59.000 Who is Fuentes?

02:05:00.000 I think they're called the Gropers. 0.99

02:05:01.000 Is that correct?

02:05:02.000 They are called Gropers. 1.00

02:05:03.000 She's making a face.

02:05:04.000 No, no, no.

02:05:04.000 I'm listening.

02:05:05.000 They're America First.

02:05:07.000 I guess they're Trump supporters, right?

02:05:09.000 And he got banned because some clips were being taken and spread around.

02:05:14.000 are highly nationalistic.

02:05:16.000 They hold some beliefs that I do not hold.

02:05:18.000 I would be happy to engage with them, but like Tim says, I don't like being told to have- You mean you don't like to be bullied as to what to do with your smile?

02:05:24.000 I don't want to say necessarily bullied.

02:05:26.000 I just don't want people to be like, hey, everyone go into his chat and start, you know, just saying someone's name over and over.

02:05:31.000 Cause no, we've not gotten this for anybody else.

02:05:34.000 And so, like, it's difficult because we're like, oh, yeah, yeah.

02:05:38.000 Look, I've got a good friend who is prominent political commentator who thinks it'd be a really important conversation.

02:05:43.000 And that's why I'm willing to talk about it right now and bring it up when someone asks.

02:05:46.000 But it's really difficult because it's like almost every single day we'll get it.

02:05:49.000 People keep saying it over and over and over again.

02:05:51.000 And that makes it difficult.

02:05:52.000 It makes it very, very difficult because the way you ended up on the show is... Did we bully you?

02:05:58.000 No, we've interacted on social media, and then there was something that happened where we had a, you know, there was a comment exchange, and then I think, you know, we were like, oh, we'll do the show.

02:06:07.000 It was really, really simple.

02:06:09.000 The challenge is like, I can't just have people, you know, but we will, of course we will.

02:06:15.000 You're not avoiding it, that's the point.

02:06:17.000 You push too hard, guys.

02:06:19.000 Stop pushing him so hard.

02:06:21.000 I don't even want to put it that way.

02:06:22.000 It's just like, I do not want to get people coming in and spamming dislikes or whatever.

02:06:28.000 And being like, if we just go after him, he'll eventually have someone on the show.

02:06:31.000 I don't want to do that.

02:06:32.000 It would be interesting to host a debate with him.

02:06:34.000 No, I want to, uh, I don't, I don't want to, uh, what would you be debating?

02:06:37.000 Someone else would debate them and we would just host a debate.

02:06:40.000 Like what are they debating?

02:06:42.000 Like nationalism versus globalism or something or nationalism, Trump versus Biden, maybe.

02:06:47.000 Yeah.

02:06:48.000 Do you mean just sort of give them something to argue about?

02:06:51.000 As long as it is ideas and not just labeling and name-calling.

02:06:53.000 You always want to challenge, if you think something's a bad idea,

02:06:57.000 you always want to challenge it with good ideas.

02:06:59.000 And I think if we ever have that opportunity, I think it's great.

02:07:02.000 And I think we should always start to do that.

02:07:03.000 As long as it is ideas and not just labeling and name calling.

02:07:05.000 And that's the problem.

02:07:05.000 Of course.

02:07:07.000 Well, a lot of people have their ego and arrogance involved, and then the conversation devolves into what you're doing right now.

02:07:07.000 Yeah.

02:07:13.000 But I think we were able to do a really good job today.

02:07:15.000 I didn't agree with everything, but I thought you are pretty cool, and I think it was awesome to have this discussion.

02:07:23.000 We'll do two more.

02:07:23.000 All right.

02:07:24.000 I think these are good.

02:07:25.000 Robert Miller says, Progressives always go on about Medicare for all.

02:07:28.000 If the objective is access to health care, is that better served by abundance or scarcity?

02:07:33.000 If abundance, why do they advocate to create scarcity?

02:07:37.000 I don't, there is absolutely no logical conclusion, but I don't know what that means.

02:07:42.000 There is no scarcity.

02:07:43.000 Well, so if, I guess, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but if everybody has access to the same healthcare, then it's waitlists and very difficult to get.

02:07:51.000 No, that's actually not how that works.

02:07:54.000 The only limitations we have are what our resources are in this country.

02:07:59.000 So whether that's personnel, your medical physicians, your people, your resources, your hospitals, your machinery, your equipment, all that stuff.

02:08:07.000 That's what causes limitations.

02:08:09.000 Not the labeling of who's paying for your system.

02:08:11.000 That has nothing to do with anything.

02:08:12.000 I reject that completely.

02:08:14.000 And by the way, let me preface this with my husband's a urologist.

02:08:17.000 My husband has a medical practice that he's been in since 2003.

02:08:21.000 He owns part of a surgery center.

02:08:23.000 He covers six or seven hospitals and has four locations for his practice.

02:08:27.000 Medicine is a hand that feeds me.

02:08:29.000 Most of the people in that arena do not support the concept that I'm talking about.

02:08:34.000 This isn't about me.

02:08:35.000 It's not about my husband foregoing some amount of income.

02:08:39.000 And let me, by the way, and as much as he does not love that idea, he loves the idea of not having to provide health insurance for his employees anymore.

02:08:46.000 I definitely agree with that.

02:08:49.000 And he also cannot stand the dealing with the bureaucracy and the red tape of dealing with managed care.

02:08:56.000 That is something that hinders doctors on a level that most people don't understand.

02:09:00.000 So I'm not speaking of this as some, you know, that's the hand that feeds me.

02:09:03.000 I come from medical family. I think everybody agrees that there's like red tape and bureaucracy jamming the whole

02:09:08.000 thing up. Yeah That's why I think you've got many on the right who are

02:09:11.000 saying a free market solution many on the left saying a universal

02:09:14.000 Socialized solution and i'm like, you know what honestly I I lean in one direction, but i'll take anything other

02:09:20.000 than this weird mangled corporate lobbyist version of whatever it is. We have I

02:09:24.000 To me, that shouldn't be a for-profit industry.

02:09:28.000 And no other developed nation has that.

02:09:30.000 And there's a reason for that.

02:09:32.000 Like the fire department, you would never incentivize firemen to...

02:09:35.000 The more fires, because then they'd go start the fires or they'd be happy to see fires get started.

02:09:39.000 And with doctors, they get paid more if they're sick people.

02:09:42.000 Well, they get paid more for each procedures too.

02:09:44.000 And for COVID.

02:09:45.000 So ideally, they would always get paid regardless of who they taught or who they saw.

02:09:49.000 And then we would focus on keeping people healthy.

02:09:51.000 So there are challenges like, um, how much does someone get paid if they're a specialist, like an anesthesiologist?

02:09:57.000 Of course, there's definitely things that have to be worked out.

02:09:59.000 There is no perfect system, but the goal is, is that we are all infinitely better off with a healthy society.

02:10:05.000 I think Andrew Yang had one of the best arguments for it.

02:10:08.000 He said, the problem is, why should a small business be burdened with being the provider of healthcare when they can barely afford to get started?

02:10:14.000 He talked about how the majority of small businesses fail because it's very, very difficult.

02:10:20.000 Why are their employees asking the boss, do I get healthcare if I work here?

02:10:25.000 That's a strain.

02:10:26.000 No other country has that.

02:10:27.000 I think that's insane.

02:10:29.000 Now for me personally, I think, and we talked about this quite a bit, we do, that there should be like, I forget what it's called, acute care.

02:10:37.000 So like you break your hand, you get sick, you need emergency care.

02:10:39.000 But then for the more extreme and difficult illnesses, we need private insurance.

02:10:43.000 There's got to be some kind of mix.

02:10:44.000 But why?

02:10:45.000 So, some treatments are scarce and hard to come by.

02:10:48.000 Especially, like, there was one story I read about, I think it was Louisiana.

02:10:51.000 There's a genetic disease and the treatment costs a million dollars to produce because it's rare.

02:10:55.000 The disease is extremely rare, that means it's, like, they can't just mass produce this.

02:11:00.000 So then who has the million dollars to spend it?

02:11:00.000 Right.

02:11:02.000 Then it shouldn't, but see, why does it have to have that?

02:11:05.000 There shouldn't, it shouldn't be who has the money to get that treatment.

02:11:08.000 Everybody should be the same.

02:11:09.000 But they don't, they don't produce the treatment.

02:11:10.000 One thing that bothers me is when people make themselves sick by eating poorly and then expect other people to cover the costs of that.

02:11:17.000 But then can we talk about food deserts and food insecurity and people that have no education as to healthy food and have no resources to healthy food and live in communities that their only walking distance supply of food is junk.

02:11:30.000 And food stamps that they can buy Pepsi with.

02:11:33.000 Right, right, right.

02:11:35.000 So, we got a huge problem.

02:11:37.000 It's more than just healthcare.

02:11:37.000 Yes.

02:11:39.000 Yes.

02:11:40.000 So, people need to be... Man, that's a really difficult problem.

02:11:45.000 You know, Michael Bloomberg wanted to ban large sodas because of it. 1.00

02:11:48.000 Okay, that is the stupidest thing. 0.99

02:11:49.000 I know, I know. 1.00

02:11:50.000 So then you could just get two small ones. 1.00

02:11:52.000 Right, I know, it's so dumb. 0.98

02:11:53.000 It's more money for McDonald's. 0.99

02:11:54.000 Yeah, what sense does that make?

02:11:55.000 But it is, these are serious concerns, right?

02:11:58.000 You have a lot of people who, a lot of people who are willfully unhealthy.

02:12:02.000 Yes.

02:12:02.000 And we'll call it the system.

02:12:03.000 A lot of people who are ignorantly, meaning they haven't been given the proper understanding.

02:12:08.000 So is there a solution where we have a universal healthcare but you have to pass a physical?

02:12:13.000 You have to be like, No, I mean, that's like means testing for things.

02:12:16.000 No, we have universal health care because it's in everybody's best interest for us to have healthy citizens in this country and not using things like our emergency room as primary care facilities.

02:12:25.000 So when you have, and by the way, you have less expense.

02:12:29.000 We know this, right?

02:12:30.000 The Koch brothers had that Mercator Institute study, which I think was the most conservative one that was done.

02:12:37.000 And that said that over 10 years, we saved two trillion dollars.

02:12:40.000 So financially, this makes the most sense.

02:12:42.000 Yeah, so I think to clarify too, when you say not a for-profit industry, what we really mean is that there are people who don't contribute to the companies in the system that extract money through the system, right?

02:12:53.000 And so in this capacity, if the doctor provides a service, he should get paid comparable to what his skill is and what he deserves.

02:13:01.000 Yeah, no, I mean, when you say non-profit, people still make a living.

02:13:04.000 Oh, they make a lot of money.

02:13:05.000 Yeah, I mean, this isn't... every other country that's developed has one form or another of this.

02:13:10.000 And I know urologists, particularly in Canada, and have had very long conversations about this, and they're all happy with the system there.

02:13:18.000 They are.

02:13:19.000 Are there problems with it?

02:13:20.000 Absolutely, there's problems with every system.

02:13:22.000 Can you name a country, a system that you like?

02:13:24.000 Um, you know, the Australian system seems kind of, kind of good to me.

02:13:29.000 I'm pretty open.

02:13:30.000 Like I said before, I have no specific policy dogma other than what the end result is.

02:13:36.000 For me personally, I think we need to have a big discussion about the corruption of the medical system before we start saying free medical care for everyone.

02:13:43.000 Because when we look at some of their practices, especially going after the symptoms rather than a cure, especially with some of the abuses that we've seen, I think we need that conversation before saying we're going to supplement them with a lot of government money.

02:13:55.000 But why do you think a lot of those things are there?

02:13:57.000 Well, there's many reasons.

02:13:58.000 There's many incentives.

02:14:00.000 But if we give them carte blanche and all the money in the world, I think that abuse is going to happen on a bigger level.

02:14:06.000 Right now it's all profit-driven.

02:14:08.000 Right now, everything is completely profit-driven.

02:14:10.000 Depends on the state.

02:14:11.000 Depends on, you know, the practices of certain hospitals.

02:14:15.000 Right now, it is a broken system, but funneling more money into it would make it more broken, in my opinion.

02:14:20.000 Because you're funneling money into a system that's not working.

02:14:22.000 Exactly.

02:14:22.000 But that's why we're wanting to change the system.

02:14:25.000 So we have a Super Chatter directly providing a comment that says, I'm in Quebec, Canada, and our healthcare system is falling apart so badly, I had to wait six months to get a neurologist, and it took less than a year only because my case was flagged urgent. 0.59

02:14:37.000 I would have to go to the private health system to get faster.

02:14:40.000 Yeah, there are issues with it again, but that, and that has to do with how they manage their system, and how they allocate their resources, and also they're trying right now to privatize it in Canada.

02:14:50.000 This is why I think, one of the biggest challenges that like 20% of our economy is, I think it's like 20% of our economy is healthcare systems.

02:14:57.000 So you've got management jobs, you've got mailroom jobs, they're tied up in these big systems.

02:15:02.000 And I think even Bernie estimated like 2 million jobs would be lost if we did.

02:15:06.000 Now, I've talked to a lot of leftists who said it was crazy when Bernie said we should abolish private healthcare because no other country does that.

02:15:12.000 Even in Europe you can get private health insurance.

02:15:14.000 It feels to me like maybe the simplest compromise is we don't want people dying in the streets.

02:15:20.000 So basic level coverage, you get it.

02:15:22.000 But when it comes to more difficult treatments, then we need some kind of private supplemental insurance.

02:15:27.000 But I also don't want to incentivize people to be lazy or fat.

02:15:30.000 I agree.

02:15:31.000 I don't want to be paying for other people's mistakes.

02:15:34.000 Let's just be honest.

02:15:35.000 Eat this Snickers and then take this Benadryl.

02:15:35.000 This is tough.

02:15:39.000 Just don't eat the Snickers.

02:15:40.000 Isn't it crazy?

02:15:41.000 I was talking about this the other day.

02:15:42.000 I had indigestion because after a show like two nights ago, I ate a bunch of Papa John's

02:15:46.000 pizza which I don't want to do because they were bad to Papa John and they fired him for

02:15:51.000 no reason, but I was putting the garlic sauce all over it and I was eating jalapeno poppers.

02:15:55.000 I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn't sleep because I was like, you know

02:15:57.000 what I did?

02:15:58.000 Guess what?

02:16:00.000 And that helped?

02:16:01.000 So today, I had some mixed veggies and a sandwich, and I feel great.

02:16:06.000 I bought a lot of salad.

02:16:06.000 And I was like, wow, I shouldn't do a bad thing that hurts me.

02:16:08.000 So we got all these... But hold on, hold on.

02:16:09.000 You see these commercials, and it's like, I remember watching a commercial where this guy's eating a big old bowl of spaghetti, and he goes, oh, my stomach!

02:16:15.000 And it's like, do you have acid indigestion?

02:16:17.000 Take this drug.

02:16:19.000 And I'm like, just stop eating the food that's hurting you!

02:16:22.000 Exactly.

02:16:22.000 What are you doing?

02:16:23.000 Humans are animals.

02:16:24.000 We're wild.

02:16:25.000 Hungry things.

02:16:26.000 Like, how do we teach people that they're making themselves sick? 0.99

02:16:30.000 Because I will not pay for someone's chronic health care if they keep eating crap. 0.99

02:16:33.000 Look at this guy. 0.99

02:16:35.000 You used to be so lefty, Ian.

02:16:36.000 Seriously.

02:16:37.000 I will not pay for these.

02:16:39.000 Well, that's a result of people taking advantage of the system.

02:16:41.000 Those are freeloaders.

02:16:42.000 That's just the way it is.

02:16:43.000 How do you deal with them in a system with free health care?

02:16:45.000 OK, so this is the thing.

02:16:46.000 When I did criminal law, people would say, how do you defend criminals?

02:16:50.000 Because I did defense and I would defend anybody.

02:16:52.000 I don't care what they did.

02:16:52.000 I would defend anyone.

02:16:54.000 That's that Constitution loving.

02:16:55.000 It is.

02:16:56.000 And it goes to this.

02:16:57.000 So I would rather a hundred guilty people go free than one innocent person go to jail.

02:17:01.000 Absolutely.

02:17:02.000 So I would rather a hundred people freeload my system than somebody not be able to get their kids medicine.

02:17:02.000 Okay?

02:17:08.000 But the freeloading may stop.

02:17:11.000 But no, that's positive versus negative rights.

02:17:12.000 Well, it is, but to me, when you're talking about a system that provides, you are inevitably going to have freeloaders.

02:17:21.000 You cannot have a free system without freeloaders trying to get off the system, or whatever they can take.

02:17:27.000 Then I think the fair thing would be some kind of...

02:17:32.000 That's fine, and I'm willing to talk about that.

02:17:38.000 I don't love the idea of means testing things because then you get into, okay, so you smoked this amount back then so now you can't get health coverage.

02:17:47.000 First of all, the administrative nightmare of trying to figure out what everybody can and can't qualify for.

02:17:53.000 But maybe it's just not that extreme.

02:17:55.000 Maybe it's just simply like we don't say you smoke so you can't get this.

02:17:59.000 We just say you have to have like a physical.

02:18:03.000 Well, no, but we should absolutely be requiring people to have preventative health care.

02:18:08.000 That's the point.

02:18:09.000 And if people have preventative health care, we don't know what those outcomes are.

02:18:12.000 I think if we legitimately had a free market, if we didn't have an FDA playing favorites with the big pharma companies, if we literally had insurance companies able to be in the open market, I think if we got rid of the corruption, if that the market would have regulated it to provide a fair price because people would want... You know, something really interesting.

02:18:32.000 In 2019, the economy was doing really, really well.

02:18:35.000 Jim Cramer, whether you trust him or not, said, best numbers of our lives.

02:18:39.000 And we started seeing something really interesting in that businesses started implementing four-day work weeks, two-week paid vacation.

02:18:45.000 A lot of things progressives had advocated for at a policy level were happening just because the economy was doing well.

02:18:50.000 So it's possible that if we start by saying, our system is crooked, it really is.

02:18:56.000 And you know what I think it is?

02:18:57.000 It's because it's not being built by people advocating for a free market or by people advocating for a universal system.

02:19:02.000 It's being built by lobbyists who want specific things passed just to benefit them in the short term.

02:19:08.000 I think if we actually rid of the corruption, we might find we can make it work, kind of like in a hybrid system, as long as we get rid of the exploitation.

02:19:16.000 Well, we could have a discussion about it and we can come to some sort of consensus.

02:19:19.000 And that's really what we've been about the whole time, is we have to get the corporate money out.

02:19:23.000 And when you say what are the differences, it's if you have representatives taking corporate money, then they are not going to fight for the people in any regard.

02:19:32.000 So once you get the corporate money out, we can all have a very, like, nice compromising discussion as to the best way to achieve these things.

02:19:40.000 I am absolutely in favor of getting money out of politics.

02:19:43.000 I know it's kind of a broad statement.

02:19:45.000 It's huge, but it matters.

02:19:46.000 So the challenge is, like, I've never been a fan of the Citizens United ruling that, you know, people have said to me, if you make money, you can spend it however you want.

02:19:55.000 If you want to buy an ad, you can do it.

02:19:56.000 And I say, listen, you can't buy drugs.

02:19:58.000 We do put restrictions on what you can or can't buy.

02:20:00.000 And Luke's solution, jokingly, is to put all the corporate sponsor labels on people.

02:20:00.000 Yeah.

02:20:06.000 It's hard though because there will still be ways to circumvent the system, to bully

02:20:12.000 the system and exploit it.

02:20:13.000 There will, but I'll tell you, if you had publicly financed elections, I don't know

02:20:16.000 if people know what that would really look like.

02:20:18.000 What is it exactly?

02:20:19.000 OK, so what you would have in my utopian universe is, let's say you decide you want to run for president, OK?

02:20:26.000 And we say, OK, well, then you need X percentage of registered voters.

02:20:30.000 This is how it works to get on a ballot anywhere.

02:20:31.000 You have to get a certain amount of signatures to get on a ballot, whatever that is that we decide.

02:20:35.000 And then anyone who qualifies gets the same funding.

02:20:38.000 So it's kind of like how it was in high school.

02:20:39.000 So everyone gets a million dollars and 15 minutes on mainstream media.

02:20:43.000 and everybody gets the same.

02:20:46.000 So we can control that.

02:20:48.000 But we're in a social media world, right?

02:20:50.000 Yeah.

02:20:51.000 So I think what would happen is influencers would become president.

02:20:54.000 Because we know what exploits social media to get attention.

02:20:58.000 And then if we restrict everyone- Is that necessarily so horrible?

02:21:01.000 I think so.

02:21:03.000 I don't know.

02:21:03.000 What I know is that right now we're not having people that represent regular people.

02:21:07.000 That's true.

02:21:08.000 Right now we're having oligarchs have their little representatives sit there and toast us while we're all running around like peons trying to help ourselves. 1.00

02:21:15.000 Yes.

02:21:16.000 So the only way around that is to get people that are the peons in that position.

02:21:16.000 Yes.

02:21:20.000 And the only way to do that is publicly.

02:21:22.000 I do think tick tockers and Jake Ball would do a way better job than the corporate I was gonna say I was gonna say Trump is a populist personality is a celebrity social media and you know what he'd done the things he campaigned on I probably would be a supporter but what I mean is I think we'd be better with some we might we probably would do better if the person's goal was to get as many likes as possible because if they were doing things that were getting dislikes they wouldn't want to do it exactly if you're accountable to the regular people yeah

02:21:50.000 Then you're ultimately... See, this is the thing.

02:21:52.000 Let's say you get people in with no money, right?

02:21:54.000 Ultimately, what we're going to have is we're going to have policies that reflect what our populace wants.

02:21:58.000 Right now, we've got three-quarters of the American people that believe in some form of single-payer health care.

02:22:02.000 Most people believe in the, you know, legalization of marijuana.

02:22:04.000 Most people believe in getting out of the wars.

02:22:06.000 Most people believe these things, but those things aren't happening.

02:22:08.000 Right.

02:22:09.000 Well, they're not happening because we have a completely dysfunctional republic.

02:22:11.000 We have people being elected not based on that they represent the majority of people.

02:22:15.000 They're spending all their time fundraising.

02:22:16.000 Right.

02:22:17.000 So what if you have people in there like your AOC, and whatever you think about her, forget policy for a second, is she accountable to her constituents? 0.99

02:22:25.000 Do they like her?

02:22:26.000 I don't think so, no.

02:22:27.000 Well, that's between them and them, but my point is it's not my position to judge that.

02:22:30.000 Is she representing her constituents?

02:22:32.000 They vote for her.

02:22:33.000 That that's the thing and her popularity and her approval.

02:22:36.000 So if you were to look at somebody, let's say, you know, you're Nancy Pelosi's of the world.

02:22:41.000 Their approval rating is lower than Trump's.

02:22:43.000 OK.

02:22:43.000 Oh, definitely.

02:22:44.000 Right.

02:22:44.000 Yeah.

02:22:45.000 So yet she keeps getting reelected. 0.98

02:22:47.000 So that's not representing.

02:22:47.000 All right.

02:22:48.000 Who is that representing?

02:22:49.000 That's representing a small group of elitist oligarchs.

02:22:53.000 It's like AOC is hot.

02:22:55.000 She's this young, hot girl.

02:22:56.000 So like, people will just vote for her because they want to have a baby. 0.99

02:23:02.000 Okay, but then that's accountability to the voter.

02:23:04.000 That's on them.

02:23:05.000 But the point is, if she's actually getting, you know, doing what her voters want her to do, then she's doing her job. 0.56

02:23:10.000 Maybe voting is the problem.

02:23:12.000 Yes.

02:23:13.000 Wow.

02:23:13.000 Yes.

02:23:13.000 Right.

02:23:14.000 I see what you're saying.

02:23:14.000 Oh, OK.

02:23:15.000 Yes, it's actually very flawed that someone push a button and then you have you ever heard of approval voting

02:23:20.000 It's where you literally vote as many times as you want. So you could vote once for a person

02:23:25.000 So I was watching this this analysis about rank-choice voting

02:23:30.000 I love rank-choice voting, but they said that rank-choice voting also creates coalitions which create

02:23:34.000 Similar pitfalls to the system we have now Right.

02:23:38.000 And that approval voting was mathematically the best system, where you literally say, if there's 10 candidates, I'm going to vote for seven of them.

02:23:44.000 And that created kind of a wave pattern of who got the most support.

02:23:48.000 But that almost sounds a little bit like ranked choice a little bit.

02:23:50.000 It doesn't sound dissimilar.

02:23:52.000 It's very similar, but you're basically saying, I'll vote for as many people, but they're all ranked one.

02:23:56.000 So it bypasses coalition building and then just creates a like, you'll see a wave where it's like where the most support just forms in certain areas and that person wins.

02:24:06.000 See that's one of those things where if somebody showed me this is how this works and this is the end result and this is how it would be the numbers I'd get behind that.

02:24:12.000 Like I would need to know that that's the thing if that's something that would work and give the my goal is for the most people.

02:24:17.000 But we did build the system because there's tyranny of the majority.

02:24:20.000 people want should be what we have. So whatever gets us to that is a part of

02:24:25.000 what we did build the system because there's tyranny of the majority so it's

02:24:28.000 it's hard to find that balance to make sure the minority isn't being crushed

02:24:31.000 out. Yeah well there's certain things that have to always be off the table

02:24:34.000 that's the whole point of having a Constitution. Right on.

02:24:37.000 Well, with that being said, we've gone over quite a bit, but it's been really fun.

02:24:39.000 Jen, thanks for for hanging out.

02:24:41.000 Do you want to mention your social media?

02:24:42.000 Yeah, sure.

02:24:43.000 So we have a podcast called Generational Change.

02:24:46.000 We are on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, and we're about transforming politics into service.

02:24:51.000 So whatever you're we are nonpartisan.

02:24:53.000 This isn't about pushing an agenda.

02:24:56.000 This is simply about getting our government to work for us that they're supposed to.

02:25:00.000 That's it.

02:25:01.000 Our representatives are our employees.

02:25:02.000 That's what we believe.

02:25:04.000 It's generational, but it's J-E-N, right? 1.00

02:25:06.000 Yes, I'm sorry.

02:25:07.000 J-E-N-E-R-A-T-I-O-N-L-A-L. 1.00

02:25:11.000 Generational change.

02:25:12.000 And we are also, you can find us on Instagram and Twitter at JenFL23.

02:25:18.000 And we're just trying to do service.

02:25:22.000 Right on.

02:25:22.000 Thanks for coming on and hanging out.

02:25:23.000 Thank you so much.

02:25:23.000 It's been fun.

02:25:24.000 You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.

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02:25:31.000 Make sure you hit that like button, hit the subscribe button, notification bell.

02:25:34.000 We'll have a bunch of clips up from the show tomorrow.

02:25:36.000 We're live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.

02:25:37.000 Tomorrow's gonna be a pretty interesting show nonetheless.

02:25:39.000 We have a, or I should say, we have a good guest coming, I hope.

02:25:42.000 It's gonna be fun.

02:25:43.000 And so, everyone, thanks for hanging out.

02:25:45.000 Don't forget to follow.

02:25:45.000 We don't get to know who it is though?

02:25:46.000 No, we never announce guests.

02:25:47.000 Because then they cancel, you know?

02:25:49.000 It jinxes it, yeah.

02:25:50.000 Yeah, it jinxes it.

02:25:51.000 That's really bad.

02:25:52.000 But Luke is here and he wants you to follow him.

02:25:54.000 You can follow me on my YouTube channel, that is WeAreChange, or on Instagram and Twitter under LukeWeAreChange.

02:26:03.000 I know that Luke has merch on Teespring.

02:26:04.000 Yes, we do.

02:26:05.000 The ones that I'm wearing now and also ones that are banned that I just posted about on my Twitter.

02:26:10.000 So if you want the banned shirts, check out my Twitter.

02:26:12.000 That's so much more appealing.

02:26:13.000 Yeah, it is.

02:26:14.000 Yeah, it's forbidden.

02:26:15.000 On the forbidden banned shirt store.

02:26:17.000 Do you guys have merch, Jen?

02:26:19.000 We are in the process.

02:26:20.000 Right now, the only merch we have are our volunteer t-shirts for our local volunteers that are wearing our stuff.

02:26:24.000 We are in the process of creating some merch, but there will be merch.

02:26:27.000 Like, we're just getting started.

02:26:29.000 But yeah, it says, Here Comes the Sun.

02:26:32.000 It's a little retro looking, and then it has our logo on it.

02:26:34.000 Are you a Beatles fan?

02:26:35.000 I am.

02:26:36.000 All right, well, follow me to Ian Crossland.

02:26:38.000 Right on.

02:26:39.000 And of course you can follow at Sour Patch Lids who's been producing this whole time.

02:26:41.000 And I've been over here pushing buttons this whole time.

02:26:43.000 Wrongly it turns out.

02:26:45.000 Sorry about that guys.

02:26:46.000 But I am here in the corner.

02:26:47.000 Sour Patch Lids.

02:26:48.000 L-Y-D-S. 1.00

02:26:49.000 Right on.

02:26:50.000 Everybody, thanks so much for hanging out.

02:26:51.000 We're gonna be back tomorrow, and we're gonna have a big episode on the taboo.

02:26:56.000 We are not allowed to say that voter fraud, as per YouTube's rules, changed the outcome of the election, but we're booked right now to have somebody on who's significant in this field, and we'll see if YouTube bans us.

02:27:11.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:27:12.000 We'll see you all tomorrow.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - December 10, 2020

Timcast IRL - SEVENTEEN STATES Sign On To Texas Lawsuit Demanding Trump Win w- Jen Perelman

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