Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Special Counsel Appointed To Investigate Biden For Classified Docs w-The Krassensteins

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:12.000 you a special counsel has been appointed to investigate Joe

00:00:40.000 Biden's handling of classified documents after it was revealed that in his

00:00:44.000 garage next to his Corvette was apparently a stack of classified documents

00:00:48.000 from when he was vice president

00:00:50.000 So, uh, that's rather shocking.

00:00:52.000 And he was asked about this and he just said, oh, it's locked in my garage next to my Corvette.

00:00:57.000 And then everyone pulled up this old video where his garage is very flimsily secured, if at all, from a thin little garage door and you can see just a big stack of boxes where people are assuming that's probably where it was.

00:01:07.000 Well, according to all of the hit pieces we saw against Trump going back for the past several months, well this means that Joe Biden has to forfeit his office because he had classified documents from when he wasn't president.

00:01:20.000 But we'll see.

00:01:21.000 A special counsel is being appointed, and I'm not convinced anything will actually happen.

00:01:25.000 Unless you believe the conspiracy theories, they think this is how the Democrats actually get rid of Biden, bring in Kamala Harris, and then prepare for a better 2024 or something like that.

00:01:34.000 We'll talk about that, plus we got some Twitter files revelations.

00:01:37.000 Apparently, Twitter and, uh, well...

00:01:40.000 We'll talk about this.

00:01:41.000 Democrats are being warned about fake Russian bots, plus censorship, and we've got some special guests who are going to be talking about censorship, which I think will be particularly interesting.

00:01:49.000 And then I really want to talk about Illinois' gun ban, because this one's fascinating.

00:01:52.000 Illinois is banning assault weapons, as they describe it, but local sheriffs are saying they won't do it, and they're being threatened with removal from their jobs.

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00:02:39.000 Joining us today to talk about this and so much more is the Krasensteins!

00:02:44.000 How's it going, guys?

00:02:46.000 Which one he wants to introduce yourself first?

00:02:48.000 Yeah, so I'm Brian.

00:02:49.000 You probably know us from Twitter.

00:02:52.000 We were the Trump Reply Guys, I guess a lot of people call us.

00:02:56.000 But we've done a lot.

00:02:57.000 We're obviously left-leaning.

00:03:00.000 But I think it's important to kind of communicate and talk to people you disagree with politically.

00:03:06.000 We created a podcast, Crash and Chaos Dismantling Division, and we interview people that we disagree with and just talk about daily stuff and just try and get along and usually it works out.

00:03:17.000 Sounds good.

00:03:18.000 I don't know, Ed, did you want anything?

00:03:19.000 Yeah, um, yeah, CrassingCast is new.

00:03:21.000 You can follow us on YouTube.

00:03:23.000 It's just CrassingCast.

00:03:24.000 I want to give a shout out to my friend Mike Mansueto in Los Angeles, or in San Diego.

00:03:29.000 He's a huge fan of TimCast, so just want to say hi to him.

00:03:32.000 Cool, I appreciate it, man.

00:03:33.000 Yeah, and glad to talk about whatever you want.

00:03:36.000 Right on.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, a lot of people are commenting saying like you're the Trump derangement syndrome guys.

00:03:41.000 You are like the most notable Trump reply guys.

00:03:44.000 Like anything Trump would say, you are always on top.

00:03:47.000 Everyone always saw you guys.

00:03:49.000 We were.

00:03:49.000 Yeah.

00:03:50.000 And then they banned you.

00:03:52.000 And I think it was BS.

00:03:53.000 I thought I think they made up a fake reason to ban you guys.

00:03:56.000 Well, so so I mean it.

00:03:58.000 It's hard to tell if they actually thought we were doing what they said we were doing, which was buying our accounts and buying engagement.

00:04:05.000 And we proved to them that we weren't.

00:04:07.000 We showed them the emails of when we purchased the accounts.

00:04:10.000 When we purchased the accounts, not purchased the accounts.

00:04:13.000 When we registered the accounts, yeah.

00:04:16.000 Freudian slip, I guess.

00:04:17.000 No, we didn't actually buy our accounts.

00:04:21.000 And it came at a time when Twitter was banning a lot of conservatives, of course, and I kind of felt like maybe they used us as an example.

00:04:31.000 They looked for something.

00:04:33.000 They maybe saw something and thought that we did actually buy our accounts.

00:04:37.000 I don't know.

00:04:37.000 I don't believe it, I think.

00:04:39.000 We'll talk about it, though.

00:04:39.000 We'll save it, because there's a lot to talk about there, especially the Twitter file.

00:04:42.000 So thanks for hanging out.

00:04:43.000 This should be a lot of fun, actually.

00:04:44.000 We got Luke.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, thanks for coming.

00:04:45.000 This should be a great conversation.

00:04:47.000 And I don't know about you guys, but with the way that things are going, I think I'm going to be voting in Brandon for the next upcoming presidential election.

00:04:55.000 And that's why I'm wearing my Let's Go Brandon 2024 shirt.

00:04:58.000 If you're with me, we could do this.

00:05:00.000 I believe in you.

00:05:00.000 We could just write in the name Brandon 2024.

00:05:03.000 If you're with me, get the shirt on TheBestPoliticalShirts.com because you do.

00:05:08.000 That's why I am here.

00:05:08.000 Biden-Fetterman!

00:05:09.000 Come on, what do you mean?

00:05:10.000 Well, there's also Ligma Johnson, which is also going to be a very serious contender.

00:05:14.000 So there's a lot of very important people.

00:05:17.000 These nuts?

00:05:19.000 They're a lot better than the official choices, so I'm seriously considering them.

00:05:23.000 You should too.

00:05:24.000 All right.

00:05:24.000 I'm glad you guys are here.

00:05:26.000 We had the Hodge twins earlier in the week.

00:05:29.000 I don't know if you know them personally.

00:05:31.000 I'd love to get the four of you in a room together.

00:05:32.000 That would be awesome.

00:05:33.000 But for so long I was like, oh yeah, the brothers twins on Twitter, and I thought it was all the same people.

00:05:38.000 So I'm glad now I put a face to the name and finally meet you guys.

00:05:42.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

00:05:42.000 What's happening?

00:05:43.000 And I'm Serge.com, as always.

00:05:45.000 I was on Pop Culture Crisis.

00:05:47.000 I forgot to mention that after the show yesterday, but I was on it today.

00:05:50.000 Anyways, let's get started.

00:05:51.000 Let's jump into this first story from APnews.com.

00:05:54.000 Garland appoints special counsel to investigate Biden docs.

00:05:59.000 Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday appointed a special counsel to investigate the presence of classified documents found at President Joe Biden's home in Wilmington, Delaware, and at an unsecured office in Washington dating from his time as Vice President.

00:06:11.000 Robert Herr, a one-time U.S.

00:06:13.000 attorney appointed by former President Donald Trump, will lead the investigation and plans to begin his work soon.

00:06:18.000 His appointment marks the second time in a few months that Garland has appointed a special counsel, an extraordinary fact that reflects the Justice Department's efforts to independently conduct high-profile probes in an exceedingly heated political environment.

00:06:31.000 Both of those investigations, the early one involving Trump and documents recovered from his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, relate to the handling of classified information, though there are notable differences between those cases.

00:06:41.000 I love how the media really, really wants to make sure everybody knows there's notable differences, but they don't ever quite bring up the fact that PolitiFact ran this story.

00:06:49.000 Quote, the minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process.

00:06:57.000 Mostly true, reports PolitiFact.

00:06:59.000 So if that's the case, what is the issue with Donald Trump's documents?

00:07:04.000 So, well, I'm curious.

00:07:06.000 I mean, I think everyone's heard our thoughts on this.

00:07:08.000 I'm wondering what you guys think.

00:07:09.000 You know, like, I don't think the issues, at least from what we see with the search warrant, wasn't classification.

00:07:17.000 I think the issue was the fact that he, A, obstructed the investigation, allegedly, and B, the espionage act which says you can't have defense documents in your possession when the government needs them.

00:07:33.000 So I don't think that's what they're trying to get him on.

00:07:36.000 Trump?

00:07:38.000 Yeah, I don't think they're trying to get him on the classification issue.

00:07:41.000 Maybe that changes, but from what I've Red, I think they're going after him because he basically had government documents.

00:07:48.000 I think one of the big challenges with the Trump thing is that we've heard from the Trump side of things and from early reports that they were cooperating, that they did let them come in and it was actually the FBI's own lock.

00:08:01.000 So the FBI comes in and says, hey, you have these documents, just make sure you lock them up.

00:08:06.000 And they're like, you got it, boss.

00:08:07.000 Then the FBI comes back later, smashes the lock and takes the documents.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, so what happened was, so January, he leaves office.

00:08:14.000 In May, the National Archives is like, hey, listen, we believe you have documents.

00:08:19.000 And I don't know if they gave him a list of documents they thought he had, but they said, you have documents, we'd like them back.

00:08:24.000 And it took seven more months.

00:08:26.000 Trump's lawyers, I think it was in December of 2021, said, Okay, well, we found some documents.

00:08:32.000 Then in January, they said, here's 15 boxes of documents.

00:08:37.000 And the following month, I think it was February of 2022, the National Archives comes back and says, we still didn't get all of them.

00:08:44.000 You still have more.

00:08:45.000 We need more documents.

00:08:47.000 And they go back and forth, back and forth.

00:08:50.000 And apparently National Archives wasn't satisfied with how Trump's team was cooperating.

00:08:57.000 So they got a grand jury subpoena In the spring, they visited Mar-a-Lago and Trump's team allowed them to search the basement, I believe, the basement storage room, and they came out there with more documents.

00:09:13.000 The lawyer signs a declaration saying, we've searched the entire place, no more documents are here.

00:09:21.000 There are more documents.

00:09:22.000 But I suppose the issue is the president has plenary declassification powers.

00:09:28.000 As the president, he is the end-all be-all of what is classified or what isn't.

00:09:31.000 Yeah, but you also got to look at like, what's the damage to the country?

00:09:35.000 So like, is he taking compartmentalized documents that there's one copy of that somebody else in government now, maybe in the Biden administration, might need for whatever they're working on?

00:09:48.000 Is it a danger to the country?

00:09:50.000 And we don't know.

00:09:51.000 We don't know if that's the case or not.

00:09:52.000 But I think that to figure that out would be big to just understand the situation.

00:09:59.000 I can agree.

00:10:00.000 I mean, if there's like a single copy of it and they're like, whoa, what happened to these files?

00:10:04.000 Would be really, really bad.

00:10:05.000 But that'd be really, really bad outside of Trump just having them because what are we doing not having important copies?

00:10:11.000 But that still doesn't answer the question of So the reason the president can declassify anything instantly is because, imagine he's negotiating with Vladimir Putin to like, get out of Ukraine.

00:10:20.000 And then he has to go there and be like, well, you know, I would negotiate on troop positioning in Poland or whatever, but it's classified so I can't tell you about it.

00:10:30.000 Like, that makes no sense.

00:10:30.000 He needs to literally be like, okay, here's where our shipments and troops are going in.

00:10:34.000 We'll take those out if you take this out.

00:10:36.000 So he has to be able to do that.

00:10:38.000 So this looks just overtly political.

00:10:41.000 So outside of that, I can certainly understand an argument of like, the greater good, like whether or not Trump has the power to do it.

00:10:47.000 You know, maybe we should get those documents back, but then why pursue a criminal investigation?

00:10:51.000 And then you get the media coming out and saying Trump is under criminal investigation, but Joe Biden, his documents are facing a special counsel.

00:11:00.000 They didn't say he's facing it.

00:11:01.000 I think with Trump though, I don't think he was under criminal investigation until he didn't turn over the documents that the National Archives wanted.

00:11:09.000 But he doesn't have to.

00:11:10.000 Well, he does if the government says they're their documents.

00:11:13.000 Even if they're not classified, he still has to turn them over if the National Archives says these are government documents, we need them back, they're not your personal documents.

00:11:23.000 I suppose I can understand the argument you're making that they're property of, but that's an argument where we'd have to actually look and determine whether or not he made copies of these documents.

00:11:33.000 But my understanding was that he has copies of them as the president, and some of the documents were like his presidential briefings and stuff like that, which if he can declassify, then he can have.

00:11:42.000 But at any rate, if that was the case, pursuing criminal charges because he's like, I disagree on whether you own this piece of paper is kind of...

00:11:51.000 It's kind of silly.

00:11:52.000 Yeah, so you can't have copies of compartmentalized documents.

00:11:56.000 So like classified documents there could be multiple copies and several people could have them, but if they're compartmentalized there's only usually one copy as far as I understand.

00:12:05.000 So if he had that he would have had to have taken it out of the compartment or wherever it's at and brought it back to Mar-a-Lago and then somebody else can't gain access to that.

00:12:15.000 So there actually is only one copy as far as I know.

00:12:19.000 Well, I guess we have to get into what all of the documents are.

00:12:24.000 Yeah, and when were the documents taken?

00:12:26.000 If they were taken after he was no—January 20th, when he was leaving the White House, maybe he was no longer president when he took office.

00:12:33.000 So, you know, you need that information.

00:12:35.000 And I'm pretty sure they have copy machines in Washington, D.C.

00:12:38.000 to be a little fascist here.

00:12:39.000 But more importantly, it's kind of convenient that the burden of proof is it's classified.

00:12:44.000 We can't tell you, but there's only one of us, and we really, really needed it.

00:12:47.000 For what?

00:12:48.000 We can't tell you!

00:12:49.000 Yeah, and we won't ever know.

00:12:51.000 For me personally, I don't think we should give the burden of doubt to the DOJ.

00:12:54.000 That clearly is very political, especially when it came to what happened with Biden.

00:12:58.000 They found Biden's documents on November 2nd, a week before the midterm elections.

00:13:03.000 We're now hearing about it?

00:13:05.000 I think this would have had an effect on the election, and I think this is why the DOJ has been politicized, because this is one clear example of it.

00:13:11.000 And not just that, it's the Vice President and Hillary Clinton, and Secretary of State, Separate instances do not have the power of declassification.

00:13:20.000 Well, so Biden having... The vice president does.

00:13:22.000 So there was a 2003 executive order by George Bush, I believe.

00:13:28.000 I believe Obama had another executive order in 2009, which says the vice president and the president can both classify documents.

00:13:37.000 And the vice president can declassify documents that he classified.

00:13:42.000 And Also, if he is deemed in a supervisory role over the agent who classified it, he can declassify it.

00:13:52.000 So, I mean, if there are random documents, maybe he didn't have that.

00:13:56.000 It depends what a supervisory role is, and I don't think there's really a clear definition of that.

00:14:01.000 Is a vice president in the executive branch a supervisor of, you know, an agent in the CIA?

00:14:08.000 We don't know.

00:14:09.000 Like, I don't know.

00:14:09.000 I think that's something that would have to be determined by a judge or, you know, I do have this.

00:14:14.000 I pulled it up.

00:14:15.000 This is from the Washington Times.

00:14:16.000 A March 2003 executive order signed by George W. Bush empowered the vice president to classify sensitive materials.

00:14:22.000 That same executive order grants declassification powers to quote the official who authorized the original classification or a supervisor official.

00:14:30.000 Under the executive order, vice presidents are granted the power to declassify documents they classified themselves, but it's unclear if the vice president would be viewed as a supervisory official with the ability to declassify sensitive documents from the CIA and other intelligence agencies.

00:14:44.000 I just think it's really convenient that we got probably 300 articles arguing that Donald Trump would have to forfeit any office or that he was disqualified for having classified documents, literally, not even the argument of I think it kind of depends on intent, right?

00:14:56.000 It was like, if he had classified documents, he violated the records act or whatever.

00:15:00.000 And then as soon as it happens with Joe Biden, then happens twice, all of a sudden there's

00:15:03.000 a debate over, well, you know, actually the vice president, the president can declassify

00:15:07.000 things.

00:15:08.000 It sounds like a cop out.

00:15:09.000 I think it kind of depends on intent, right?

00:15:11.000 So like, did Trump take them purposely out of, out of the White House or wherever and

00:15:16.000 keep store them at Mar-a-Lago?

00:15:18.000 I think we know more of his intent just because of the fact that he refused to turn them over

00:15:23.000 knowing that he had.

00:15:24.000 I disagree.

00:15:24.000 I mean, the documents were in boxes of random things like briefings and Time magazine clippings.

00:15:30.000 It really does sound like in both instances of Biden and Trump, they had boxes of paperwork they just carried out not realizing what was in it.

00:15:36.000 Yeah, I think until we see more information, you have to assume that he didn't intentionally do it, right?

00:15:44.000 Neither of them intentionally did it, unless you have, you know, witnesses that saw him or heard him say, you know, no, we have to keep these.

00:15:51.000 We don't want to turn them over to the National Archives because they're mine.

00:15:54.000 I believe they're mine.

00:15:56.000 The government shouldn't have a right to So, I think we have to hear the information that comes out, we have to see the evidence, and I guess we'll eventually see that.

00:16:06.000 I don't know how long it's going to take.

00:16:08.000 I'd like to repeal this executive order in the meantime.

00:16:10.000 George Bush gave Dick Cheney way too much power.

00:16:12.000 He let him run the war, basically. 0.99

00:16:13.000 He let him put his Halliburton company in Iraq to make all this money, and this stupid, stupid rule that he gave the vice president with no command authority, the ability to classify and declassify info is insane. 0.99

00:16:23.000 Well, Dick Cheney was pretty much the president. 0.99

00:16:25.000 He's pretty much calling the shots here.

00:16:27.000 Let's just be real here.

00:16:28.000 But the little that we know about these classified documents, and I don't think we're going to learn more about them because the DOJ clearly is very political.

00:16:35.000 They clearly have a side here.

00:16:36.000 So I don't see them releasing any kind of more information here.

00:16:40.000 I mean, we'll see what happens.

00:16:41.000 I'm always skeptical.

00:16:42.000 But the few things that we do know is that they were related to Ukraine, to Iran and the United Kingdom.

00:16:48.000 So these were specific documents dealing with Intelligence, foreign services, what's happening internationally.

00:16:55.000 So I think with that context, especially with where they were located at a think tank that's connected to Chinese money, there is some possible questions here about what information was shared, who got it, especially with the big business ties between Ukraine and the Chinese government and the Bidens.

00:17:14.000 I think there's a lot more room for a lot more corruption here.

00:17:18.000 Especially with Biden being a career politician rather than Donald Trump, who's kind of been obfuscated away from politics and kind of pushed away from everybody.

00:17:26.000 That's my initial kind of reaction.

00:17:28.000 What do you guys think?

00:17:29.000 I think that I definitely agree.

00:17:31.000 I think there should be a special counsel and there should be an investigation.

00:17:33.000 So I think they're handling both Trump and Biden the correct way.

00:17:38.000 Special counsels I mean, you can say that the DOJ is politicized, but it's an independent special counsel being appointed.

00:17:46.000 I think he was actually appointed by Trump, this Herr guy.

00:17:51.000 I think the Attorney General that's overseeing it in one of the jurisdictions was appointed by Trump, but I don't know about this special counsel guy, to be honest.

00:18:00.000 I think Herr was a Trump nominee or Trump appointment.

00:18:04.000 I don't know.

00:18:04.000 I guess it's an appointment.

00:18:05.000 What's the name?

00:18:05.000 Herr?

00:18:06.000 Robert Herr.

00:18:07.000 Yeah, so I think we just gotta wait and see, and I hope they investigate Biden just as rigorously as they're investigating Trump, and we figure this out.

00:18:18.000 I don't think many Democrats disagree that we should figure out all the facts behind this, and it could be good, it could be bad.

00:18:25.000 Whatever it is, I think it's important we know, right?

00:18:27.000 I think at this point Democrats are probably excited for the prospect of getting rid of Biden and getting someone better for sure.

00:18:33.000 Yeah, I mean, you've heard people saying that basically, it's like, here's how you get rid of the guy.

00:18:36.000 Because apparently, he's playing on running again, he's already campaigning.

00:18:42.000 And it's like, he's in a weak position.

00:18:43.000 If it ends up being DeSantis against Biden, I don't think Biden wins.

00:18:47.000 I agree that he's probably too old to run for a second term.

00:18:51.000 I would love for the Democrats to nominate somebody that's younger.

00:18:55.000 I think that if it was Trump-Biden, I think Biden would win.

00:18:59.000 I think if it was DeSantis-Biden, I think Biden's going to have a difficult time.

00:19:02.000 Who would you guys vote for?

00:19:03.000 DeSantis or Biden?

00:19:05.000 Still Biden.

00:19:06.000 Why though?

00:19:07.000 Just because I agree more with his views than my view.

00:19:12.000 Well, I can certainly understand from like especially the culture war and all that stuff but What has Biden done or what are his views that you think are good or that are worth giving a second term to?

00:19:24.000 I think he's done a lot, a lot of good.

00:19:27.000 I think that, I mean, I could name several things.

00:19:30.000 I think the CHIPS Act, which brought manufacturing of computer chips back to the United States.

00:19:35.000 I think that's great for manufacturing here, but also great for, I think, our national security.

00:19:41.000 The PACT Act with the burn pit thing, which he signed into law.

00:19:46.000 The cap on senior prescription drug costs at $2,000.

00:19:52.000 I think that's great.

00:19:52.000 I think there's a lot of old people in the United States who aren't even buying drugs that they need because of the expenses.

00:19:59.000 And I love the fact that you signed that new law.

00:20:03.000 A lot of these things, I think, you know, before the show, we were talking about how we had Destiny on.

00:20:08.000 What's his name?

00:20:08.000 Steve?

00:20:09.000 Steve Bonelli.

00:20:09.000 Bonelli?

00:20:10.000 Yeah.

00:20:10.000 I thought it was Bonnell.

00:20:12.000 Isn't it Bonnell?

00:20:12.000 Bonnell?

00:20:12.000 I thought there was an I. I don't know.

00:20:13.000 Maybe there's an I. But, you know, I was saying, like, obviously, on a lot of core issues like health care, you know, rights of the workers, bringing jobs back, bringing chip manufacturing, like, we're going to... That's a good one, by the way.

00:20:24.000 Oh, it's Stephen Bonnell II.

00:20:26.000 So I thought that was an I. Sorry, Steve.

00:20:28.000 There you go.

00:20:29.000 I was like, wait, there's an I in there.

00:20:32.000 One of the issues I take, the most important thing, foreign policy.

00:20:36.000 For me, I often go off on foreign policy, like we had a lot of Eliyahu, he's a reporter for us, and then we got into a yelling match because he's like, he called himself jokingly the resident neocon, because he was saying like, we should be at war in these countries, we should be stopping communism, we should be, it should be a unipolar world where the U.S.

00:20:55.000 is in control, and my attitude is kind of like, okay, I get that, I understand why you'd argue that, But I'm pretty much against US intervention in all these countries, effectively invading countries to remove their government and their cultures and impose our own will and stuff like that.

00:21:10.000 So when it comes to Joe Biden, you know, I've seen what Joe Biden did when he was vice president.

00:21:15.000 And it was... I think corruption is an understatement, right?

00:21:20.000 As soon as he gets put in charge of the war in Iraq, his brother gets lucrative contracts.

00:21:24.000 We see the expansion of the wars in the Middle East under the Obama administration.

00:21:28.000 We see the drone killings of children, which, okay, fine. 0.95

00:21:31.000 That's, you know, that's on Barack Obama, like the killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, but also other American citizens like Anwar al-Awlaki.

00:21:37.000 Under Donald Trump, we certainly had some bad things.

00:21:39.000 There's a commando raid in Yemen, which the people there claim killed an eight-year-old American girl.

00:21:46.000 It's a bad claim.

00:21:47.000 It's not the same thing as what we know, that Obama did kill Abdul Rahman al-Awlaki.

00:21:52.000 But then Trump tries negotiating peace with North Korea, actually walking through the DMZ into North Korea with no security detail.

00:21:58.000 He gets us the Abraham Accords. 0.87

00:22:00.000 He gets, you know, pulling our troops out of Syria, at least as much as he could, without the U.S.

00:22:04.000 military actually lying to him and us about how many troops we had there, setting a timeline for Afghanistan withdrawal.

00:22:10.000 So those things for me are extremely important.

00:22:13.000 And I can certainly understand, you know, you mentioned those domestic policies.

00:22:16.000 But I'm curious your thoughts on that regard.

00:22:18.000 I mean, when it comes to war, Joe Biden is, in my opinion, indefensible.

00:22:23.000 Yeah, I mean, you bring up some good points about international policy.

00:22:28.000 And I tend to focus more on national stuff, stuff that's happening in our country.

00:22:34.000 I'm pretty much against war too.

00:22:37.000 It's hard to argue with some of that stuff.

00:22:41.000 How many wars are we in right now?

00:22:44.000 We don't even know about them.

00:22:46.000 A lot of them are clandestine.

00:22:47.000 A lot of them are secret.

00:22:47.000 That's because of Donald Trump.

00:22:49.000 I want to expand on that because there's the proxy war in Ukraine, there's also expanded operations right now in Africa, there's limited operations in Syria, very limited covert ops in Libya, always a troop presence in Iraq still with fighting between the Sunni Shiites and the Iranians also getting involved there.

00:23:14.000 A couple years ago, we were bombing places in the Philippines.

00:23:16.000 I don't know if we're still doing that now.

00:23:18.000 A lot of this, again, is covert.

00:23:19.000 So we moved from overt war to, of course, a lot of clandestine war, limited war.

00:23:25.000 We kind of implemented the Henry Kissinger doctrine.

00:23:27.000 And to answer your question, there's probably a lot more wars that we're involved in than we actually know about.

00:23:32.000 Yeah, and I just mean official wars.

00:23:35.000 We got out of Afghanistan, of course.

00:23:37.000 But no, and I'm anti-interventionist.

00:23:40.000 I don't think we should be dabbling in all these countries.

00:23:43.000 I don't have a negative opinion on us helping Ukraine, though.

00:23:50.000 I think that Given what's happening over there, I think we do need to help them, just so that Russia's aggression doesn't spread throughout the rest of Europe.

00:24:01.000 I mean, I hate to see us supplying weapons that are killing people, but at the same time, I fear more what Russia would do if they went unchecked.

00:24:13.000 Well, how do you feel about U.S.' 's direct involvement in Ukraine with our special forces on the ground?

00:24:18.000 I wouldn't like that.

00:24:21.000 Well, that's happening right now, and also Ukrainian soldiers are being sent to Oklahoma in order to get specific American training.

00:24:27.000 I also forgot one very important war, and that's the war in Yemen, which is still continuing right now.

00:24:33.000 It's a larger proxy war between the United States and Saudi Arabian coalition, which is creating one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world right now.

00:24:40.000 I think these issues do matter, and I think not a lot of people take them seriously because they happen outside of the United States, but I definitely think we definitely need more of a conversation about this because the war in Ukraine, it's a very dangerous situation.

00:24:52.000 And I understand that, you know, a lot of people are vying for influence or vying for territory or vying for power, but I think it's clearer than ever, if you guys agree or disagree, that the United States and other Western powers like the United Kingdom have prevented peace deals, have prevented a stop to this larger proxy conflict and have prolonged it and are prolonging it by giving more weapons to it, making sure that it won't stop anytime soon, which I think is tragic for the people of Ukraine, tragic for the people in Europe, and also tragic for everyone else in the world as, of course, this larger proxy war is also creating a humanitarian crisis when it comes to energy resources, fertilizer, and affecting some of the poorest people in the world.

00:25:30.000 Yeah, but a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine would require Ukraine to give Russia something that they didn't have before the war started, right?

00:25:39.000 And I mean, when it comes to peace deals and negotiations, every side has to give something up.

00:25:44.000 So Russia would give something up, Ukraine would give something up.

00:25:46.000 I mean, we reached the point where even Henry Kissinger, an absolute war criminal, the butcher of Cambodia, is coming up publicly saying, guys, this is getting out of hand, we need a peace deal here.

00:25:56.000 So when it comes to negotiations, both of the parties are going to have to concede on something.

00:26:01.000 But it's hard to say, okay, you know, Russia should gain for invading Ukraine. 0.51

00:26:07.000 Like, so if they agree to a peace deal now, what's to stop them from two months later saying, we're invading again and we're going to inch farther and we want another peace deal and we're going to do the same thing another two, you know, like, If you give Russia something, they're going to be like, we can get something. 0.54

00:26:24.000 Well, that's what they would be saying on the other side, too.

00:26:27.000 This is the perpetual prolonging of this conflict.

00:26:29.000 It's Ukraine giving up their land.

00:26:32.000 That's one potential stipulation.

00:26:33.000 But the first original peace deal that was actually sabotaged by the West was that Russia go back to its original territories before the war started.

00:26:43.000 And then we had Boris Johnson come to Ukraine and said, no way you're agreeing to this specific peace deal.

00:26:48.000 What are the parameters?

00:26:49.000 I mean, you're bringing up one parameter.

00:26:51.000 If that's on the negotiation table, it at least should be negotiated.

00:26:54.000 But we're even prevented from coming to the table and negotiating, which I think is absolutely crazy.

00:26:59.000 And rooting for more war when there's so many things at stake here, when there's so many innocent lives being lost here, is just absolutely crazy, in my opinion.

00:27:05.000 And this is my answer, you know, you were mentioning, like, you're concerned more about domestic policy, and I completely understand that.

00:27:11.000 But how many years was it where flint pipes were not fixed, and these kids are getting, you know, there's like legionnaires in the older population, lead and other contaminants, and now we're learning in a bunch of different cities across this country.

00:27:22.000 So that's why when AOC first announced the Green New Deal, when it was very rudimentary, when it was just like this idea of we're going to rebuild infrastructure and massively invest in renewable energies, I was 100% on board.

00:27:34.000 I was like, this sounds amazing.

00:27:35.000 Then she puts out this document where it's like, once we do away with air transport and farting cows, which I understand was a joke, but I was just like, I don't understand what free college for people of color has to do with fixing pipes in places like Flint.

00:27:49.000 And the response I got from people, a lot of people on the left was, well, it's all tied to the same problem.

00:27:54.000 And I'm like, no, no, it literally isn't.

00:27:55.000 kids are drinking lead. And instead of spending the, you know, what is it, $30 million or

00:28:00.000 however much it was going to cost to fix these pipes, we're blowing up people in foreign 1.00

00:28:04.000 countries. And I think the reason we're doing it is because the U.S. will do anything to

00:28:09.000 maintain the petrodollar, that the world reserve currency will stay the U.S. dollar. So we

00:28:15.000 give money away to Pakistan for gender studies programs because it means they'll spend it. 1.00

00:28:20.000 Because it means everyone will maintain confidence.

00:28:23.000 So we neglect the things that are actually going on here at home.

00:28:26.000 They throw crumbs out.

00:28:27.000 Meanwhile, the southern border is completely just shattered.

00:28:30.000 And you've got people and children dying in the river, crawling through the desert.

00:28:34.000 They ignore those issues.

00:28:36.000 It feels like they're just...

00:28:38.000 Offering up whatever they can to keep people placated while they actually siphon away the resources from the people in this country for the issues of blowing people up overseas.

00:28:47.000 And more importantly, when it comes to Ukraine, my view of Ukraine is, to go back to what you were saying about Ukraine would have to give something up, I don't actually view it that way, and this is kind of a

00:28:55.000 hard thing to say, because I have Ukrainian friends, and it's really difficult to talk 1.00

00:28:59.000 to them about this, but Ukraine wouldn't be giving up anything because there is no Ukraine.

00:29:02.000 There's a proxy land between Russia and the United States that's been there since the

00:29:05.000 fall of the Soviet Union, and the US and Russia, or I should say NATO and Russia, have been 0.54

00:29:09.000 playing dirty games in that territory.

00:29:12.000 Russia regrets giving it up with the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:29:15.000 They think it was a mistake.

00:29:16.000 They need Crimea as a warm water port, access to the Black Sea, to the Suez, Mediterranean,

00:29:20.000 et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:21.000 And they're mad that happened, so they want to take that first.

00:29:24.000 Then they're running the risk because they only have that bridge, so they want a land

00:29:28.000 bridge.

00:29:29.000 That's why they want the Donbass region.

00:29:30.000 The United States, of course, is doing influence operations through USAID and other organizations

00:29:33.000 in Ukraine to gain influence.

00:29:35.000 You end up in 2014.

00:29:37.000 I'm actually there.

00:29:37.000 I'm interviewing people about this.

00:29:39.000 Yes, many of the Ukrainians outright are like, we would rather be with the EU than Russia because we remember the Soviet Union and it was bad. 1.00

00:29:47.000 But then the president gets removed, flees to Russia.

00:29:50.000 You get Zelensky instead.

00:29:52.000 You get the whole fiasco with Burisma, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, and all of that corruption.

00:29:57.000 And then I look at it like, You've got Burisma, an energy company.

00:30:00.000 Surprise, surprise.

00:30:01.000 Gazprom has effectively a monopoly in Europe.

00:30:06.000 It's Russia's monopoly through Gazprom, through Ukraine.

00:30:09.000 The U.S.

00:30:10.000 starts putting its resources and assets into Ukraine, in the energy sector, notably Hunter Biden, as well as a former CIA director or something, working at Burisma.

00:30:18.000 A prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, is then investigating Mykola Zachevsky, the founder of this company, For corruption, I think 12 to 14 different investigations.

00:30:27.000 Joe Biden then flies there, says if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars, which is an illegal quid pro quo.

00:30:35.000 I'm not saying he did it to protect his son, but his son did work for the company, did make money from that.

00:30:39.000 The investigations were happening, and it was illegal for him to do.

00:30:43.000 Everything together and I'm just like, you know what I see?

00:30:45.000 I see a guy, Joe Biden, who when he was the vice president was placed in charge of the war in Iraq and then immediately his brother got lucrative multi-million dollar contracts to build housing and other buildings and other construction in that country.

00:30:57.000 Surprise, surprise.

00:30:59.000 Politico wrote an article called Biden Inc.

00:31:01.000 where they go over all of the lucrative deals the Biden family's just fallen into In relation to the position of Joe Biden.

00:31:08.000 So now we're looking at Ukraine.

00:31:09.000 Joe Biden's dumping a hundred plus billion dollars, just constantly saying, give more money, give more money, give more money.

00:31:16.000 Zelensky is refusing to negotiate and saying, we will not surrender.

00:31:20.000 By the way, US, give us more money.

00:31:21.000 And I'm sitting here being like, can we fix our border?

00:31:24.000 Can we fix the pipes?

00:31:25.000 Can we make sure these kids are getting clean drinking water? 0.99

00:31:27.000 Can we stop blowing up people overseas? 1.00

00:31:29.000 My view of this whole thing is that you've got a corrupt parasite class, like Joe Biden, And not just him, but many of the Republicans as well, and they just seek to extract as much as possible for themselves. 0.80

00:31:42.000 And I think what they're probably doing at this point is transferring their resources to, like, Panama, because we learned that from the Panama Papers, so they can put it in holding, so that when the U.S. 0.68

00:31:50.000 finally implodes because they've extracted everything they can, they're going to send it over to China, where state capitalism will favor them.

00:31:56.000 Long story short.

00:31:58.000 It's a good story.

00:32:02.000 I don't disagree that we should be concentrating more on America and what's happening in this country.

00:32:11.000 A lot of your Joe Biden stuff I disagree with.

00:32:14.000 I think that Victor Shokin was pretty much wanted to be—the whole Western world, our allies all wanted him ousted because he was a corrupt prosecutor and he wasn't actually prosecuting people he should have been prosecuting.

00:32:26.000 But like who?

00:32:28.000 I mean, if we're talking about corrupted politicians in Ukraine, Ukraine is known for corrupt politicians.

00:32:36.000 To address that, I can agree, right?

00:32:39.000 The West did want Viktor Shokin out.

00:32:41.000 That was the policy.

00:32:42.000 The issue is that when Viktor Shokin got ousted, Mykola Zlotchevsky, this is what Biden said, he said, he wasn't prosecuting the guy.

00:32:49.000 He wasn't going after him.

00:32:50.000 So we got rid of him.

00:32:52.000 They bring in a new guy and Zlochevsky returns.

00:32:54.000 So I think it was London froze Zlochevsky's assets.

00:32:59.000 Victor Shokin gets removed by Biden.

00:33:01.000 Zlochevsky immediately returns to Ukraine to resume his work.

00:33:05.000 And then when Trump gets in and starts poking around, Zlochevsky flees the country again. 0.80

00:33:10.000 So I'm just I'm not going to believe this argument that, well, we really wanted him out when removing him actually helped the guy that was supposedly the corrupt guy in the first place.

00:33:20.000 It just doesn't it doesn't make sense at all.

00:33:22.000 I mean, you can come up, you can say, you know, Hunter Biden was working in Ukraine. 0.70

00:33:26.000 It's corrupt.

00:33:27.000 He was feeding money back to Joe Biden.

00:33:30.000 I mean, you could say that.

00:33:31.000 I'm not even saying any of that.

00:33:31.000 But I mean, people do, right?

00:33:33.000 Right.

00:33:33.000 But my point is, you've got a CIA director, you've got Hunter Biden.

00:33:38.000 CIA director's name, by the way, is Joseph Cofer Black.

00:33:40.000 He was on the board, right?

00:33:41.000 Yeah, they put him on the board.

00:33:42.000 So it's like, look man, I'll tell you what I think.

00:33:44.000 I don't think in this instance that it's overtly like Joe Biden's getting 10% for the big guy with his son. 0.98

00:33:50.000 I think it's that Europe didn't want to pay exorbitant prices for natural gas, but Russia's got them by the balls. 0.97

00:33:56.000 The U.S. 0.68

00:33:57.000 wanted to build a pipeline through Syria and Turkey called the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.

00:34:01.000 Syria said, our ally Russia would be mad at us if we let you do that, so we won't.

00:34:06.000 Surprise, surprise, we get lucky and a civil war erupts in Syria, which is going to basically grant us access.

00:34:12.000 Russia, of course, has their base in Tartus, creating all sorts of conflict.

00:34:16.000 I think the U.S.

00:34:18.000 wants to get cheaper energy into Europe.

00:34:21.000 They want to strengthen the European Union with more energy, with more economic development, because they want a stronger bloc to compete with China.

00:34:28.000 In a certain sense.

00:34:28.000 I'm not necessarily trusting all of the elites.

00:34:30.000 I mean, I agree with you there.

00:34:31.000 I think that's part of the U.S.

00:34:33.000 plan.

00:34:34.000 Yeah.

00:34:34.000 Right.

00:34:34.000 It's a big component.

00:34:35.000 And when Syria was not willing to abide by this offer, I suppose, let's just call it convenient that there's a massive destabilization in the West is of course against Bashar al-Assad.

00:34:48.000 Then when it comes to the fact that Gazprom runs I think 20% of natural gas through Ukraine, the US all of a sudden has this interest in getting rid of a corrupt prosecutor who happens to have like 12 to 14 investigations into the founder of an energy company where Joe Biden's son and a CIA director are currently on the board.

00:35:05.000 I think the U.S.

00:35:07.000 is trying to gain control of energy.

00:35:09.000 Makes a lot of sense.

00:35:10.000 Russia's competing with them. 0.57

00:35:11.000 They're using Ukraine as a proxy. 0.52

00:35:13.000 I get it, man.

00:35:15.000 You know, it's tough because I don't want the U.S.

00:35:17.000 to falter.

00:35:17.000 I don't want China to rise and take over, and then we have Chinese state communism.

00:35:22.000 But I also take a look at Joe Biden flying Hunter to China on Air Force Two for private equity deals, and I'm just like, I don't trust them at all on any of this.

00:35:29.000 Yeah, like, I mean, I understand that.

00:35:30.000 And I definitely think what you said is correct that the U.S.

00:35:34.000 has A lot of interest in keeping the U.S.

00:35:36.000 dollar value up because without it being up, we can lose ground to China and our other adversaries.

00:35:43.000 But the whole, like, you know, I think they're right as quick to push this Joe Biden, Hunter Biden corruption thing.

00:35:53.000 Like the 10% for the big guy, that deal, right?

00:35:56.000 That deal never took place.

00:35:58.000 That deal never actually went through.

00:35:59.000 And Joe was a private citizen at the time.

00:36:02.000 Who in a subsequent email said, I don't want anything to do with this.

00:36:06.000 I mean, Joe also lied about his involvement repeatedly.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, he lied.

00:36:10.000 Well, he either lied or he...

00:36:13.000 Things were kind of I mean over so he said that he'd never talked to his son about any of his business deals And then there's paying him with his son and his body That doesn't mean he had a business conversation with him.

00:36:25.000 Maybe he went to bank accounts No, I'm saying with this with this guy.

00:36:30.000 No, I know I know but like yeah, they share bank the and emails and text and phone numbers So it's just like come on, man Yeah, I mean, but... So you can jump to these conclusions that, yeah, since he said 10% for Big Guy, he was doing other deals, you know, since he got the... since he said Shogun should get fired, it was because Hunter was working for Burisma, and maybe that's the reason why, you know, there should be more... less...

00:36:53.000 Children of presidents working in other countries.

00:36:57.000 I mean you could say there are plenty of instances with Kushner and Ivanka and I mean what about the 666 Fifth Avenue deal in New York when Kushner couldn't get anybody to give him a lease and Qatar comes along right when Saudi Arabia is blockading Qatar and then Trump lifts the blockade as soon as Kushner gets the Sure.

00:37:18.000 1.4 billion dollars.

00:37:19.000 So, I mean, but there's no evidence that it's, they're two are linked,

00:37:22.000 but you could definitely come up with ideas that there's corruption going on, right?

00:37:26.000 I mean, I think the issue is, as it pertains to Biden or Trump,

00:37:31.000 a fair point is, yeah, it's always a pick your poison, right?

00:37:35.000 Donald Trump, I don't know exactly how this goes down.

00:37:38.000 And again, a lot of this requires speculation, but I think there was a State Department website advertising Trump Doral or something like that.

00:37:44.000 I don't know if you guys remember that.

00:37:46.000 No.

00:37:46.000 Yeah, it was like a State Department website was like, stay at Trump resorts or something.

00:37:50.000 And people were like, yo, what the is going on?

00:37:53.000 Like, you shouldn't be doing that.

00:37:54.000 Trump wanted to have, I think, the G7 at Trump Doral in Florida.

00:37:57.000 And then he got backlash and was like, no.

00:37:59.000 I certainly think you see a lot of this kind of stuff.

00:38:02.000 But I think when it came to Donald Trump, There was actually, despite much of his shortcomings, which I certainly think there are many of, crossing into North Korea, that was really big for me.

00:38:12.000 Crossing the DMZ.

00:38:14.000 The Abraham Accords, I think were really, really big. 0.99

00:38:16.000 I certainly think there are questions.

00:38:17.000 I think anybody who comes out and says that there's no, like, that, like, Trump, or anybody who says like, oh, the Bidens weren't really doing this, or the Trumps weren't really doing this, I'm gonna be like, dude, everybody's always gonna be thinking about themselves to a certain degree.

00:38:32.000 So my issue is, after assessing all of the details, I take a look at the Biden family, and Biden Inc., as Politico magazine called it, I take a look at the history of this guy, his plagiarism, and the fortunes his families have tracked along with his positions in government, and it's just like, okay, this guy is just literally extracting from us.

00:38:51.000 Donald Trump lost money becoming president.

00:38:53.000 Like his net worth has dropped.

00:38:54.000 He's lost millions of dollars.

00:38:56.000 His tax returns actually showed- On paper, right?

00:38:59.000 But you don't know.

00:39:00.000 He could have foreign business deals that are being taxed in other countries.

00:39:04.000 His social capital is off the charts right now as well.

00:39:07.000 I mean, is it?

00:39:08.000 He was a celebrity.

00:39:10.000 He made $5 million at the NFTs.

00:39:11.000 There's amazing NFTs.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, they were really funny.

00:39:14.000 I mean, cowboy Trump.

00:39:16.000 Get a cowboy Trump.

00:39:16.000 Get an astronaut Trump.

00:39:17.000 Did he get one?

00:39:18.000 I did not get one.

00:39:19.000 I would not buy an NFT.

00:39:20.000 100 bucks each?

00:39:21.000 Is that what they were?

00:39:21.000 100 bucks each.

00:39:22.000 Yeah.

00:39:23.000 And you sold them all within like 20 minutes or so an hour?

00:39:25.000 And that was like, you know, I don't know, man.

00:39:28.000 I think he dropped in the predicted market by like 10 cents when he did that because it was like... I follow that too, yeah.

00:39:34.000 I posted a picture of one of his supporters rotting in jail and him looking through the cell be like, hey, you guys want to buy some NFTs?

00:39:41.000 So, I mean, talking about foreign policy here a little bit, there's corruption on both sides.

00:39:45.000 I mean, Jared Kushner was negotiating better weapons deals for Saudi Arabia.

00:39:50.000 All right, that's a lot of corruption there.

00:39:51.000 With North Korea, John Bolton sabotaged any possibilities of peace talks by comparing North Korea, saying that they're going into the Libyan model of foreign policy.

00:40:00.000 But again, you can always compare the two, but I think it's fair to say that The Biden presidency has a lot more room for corruption because he's a career politician.

00:40:12.000 He's been in office.

00:40:13.000 He knows everyone.

00:40:14.000 He knows all the diplomats.

00:40:15.000 He knows all the bureaucrats.

00:40:16.000 He has a lot more finagling room to do a lot of really bad stuff.

00:40:21.000 From the beginning of his political career, he has been known as a man of the lobbyist.

00:40:25.000 He has been giving a lot of special interest groups a lot of what they wanted, specifically the military-industrial complex, specifically Big Pharma, specifically a lot of the bigger agencies that are now coming in through the bigger problems that he caused, and especially in Afghanistan.

00:40:39.000 China, huge winner out of all of that.

00:40:41.000 They're gaining all the national resources from Afghanistan. 0.93

00:40:45.000 Ukraine, BlackRock, is getting all the lucrative contracts to rebuild that entire country after we spent so much money bombing the crap out of it and causing so much chaos.

00:40:55.000 This is why I think it's important to look at not just Trump, but Biden, but any person in power in a very critical light and criticize them to the highest degree.

00:41:03.000 But do you guys agree or disagree with me when it comes to saying— Get rid of the Yeah, but do you guys agree that Biden has more room to be corrupted than Trump, who hasn't been in politics that long?

00:41:14.000 I think that one of the appeals of Trump in 2016 was that he wasn't connected to lobbyists, and I can see that as an appeal, but I don't know if that necessarily means that he's not going to be Looking out for himself and his businesses.

00:41:31.000 I think owning a bunch of businesses around the world and having those businesses profit, whether it's financially or from a standpoint of getting name recognition for those businesses, I think that that can lead to just as much corruption.

00:41:48.000 I don't know.

00:41:49.000 I think it's definitely a problem in politics.

00:41:52.000 I think that a lot of people in politics are selfish and they're out for themselves rather than out for the country.

00:41:58.000 I think that money in politics is one of the reasons it's like that.

00:42:01.000 I'd like to see super PACs go away and I'd like to see money come out of politics.

00:42:09.000 The Trump-Biden conversation is like, cat poop or dog poop?

00:42:12.000 What do you want?

00:42:13.000 I'm like, I'm not hungry, man.

00:42:14.000 This is why I don't like any of them, personally.

00:42:16.000 I'm like, none of them. 0.99

00:42:17.000 I don't want the dog crap. 0.99

00:42:19.000 I don't want the poop crap. 0.99

00:42:20.000 I don't view it that way. 0.98

00:42:22.000 I disagree.

00:42:22.000 I think Biden is like a moldy sandwich where you're like, I know it's bad and you shouldn't eat it.

00:42:28.000 And Trump is like, Well, look, man, it's not the healthiest thing in the world for you, but it's food.

00:42:34.000 I agree, just vice flip it.

00:42:36.000 I would feel the same way. 0.99

00:42:38.000 Biden's got a track record of all this really awful stuff, and Trump's just a nasty guy. 0.94

00:42:43.000 I don't know if I agree with that, though.

00:42:44.000 You look at the economic numbers under Trump, and it was massive success up until COVID.

00:42:49.000 Yeah, but then Biden took over after COVID and wages dropped dramatically and inflation skyrocketed.

00:42:55.000 Unemployment rate is down.

00:42:57.000 Inflation is finally leveling up.

00:42:58.000 You're going to have inflation.

00:42:59.000 I mean, the whole supply chain, supply and demand, when the supply chain gets cut off because of all the COVID stuff.

00:43:05.000 Supply falls, the price goes up.

00:43:08.000 Do you guys think we have a positive economic outlook moving forward from here?

00:43:12.000 I'm more positive right now than I was, say, like three or four months ago.

00:43:16.000 I think that inflation's coming down.

00:43:18.000 I think a lot relies on the Fed, and the Fed's going to keep raising rates until they think inflation's kind of been halted.

00:43:26.000 And I think we're hitting a point, I think today's numbers were decent, the CPI numbers.

00:43:31.000 I think we're hitting a point where the Fed's going to start not raising as quickly.

00:43:36.000 And I think that's positive.

00:43:38.000 I think we could hit a mild recession sometime in the next six or eight months.

00:43:43.000 But ultimately, I don't think we're bad compared to the rest of the developed world.

00:43:48.000 I think the United States is doing quite remarkable compared to some of these other countries.

00:43:53.000 I was just going to say, Actually, I forget what I was going to say.

00:43:57.000 I was going to say the market's rigged, the numbers are rigged, and if you go to the supermarket, inflation is not stagnating.

00:44:02.000 It is hitting hard a lot of Americans, and a lot of people are dealing with record high energy prices, record high food prices, and the real inflation that the average American deals with, especially in the poor and middle class, is absolutely astronomical compared to everyone else.

00:44:15.000 Well, I just want to say inflation from November to December has stagnated, according to the CPI data.

00:44:21.000 So I believe it went up, what was it, 0.3%?

00:44:25.000 But when you take out oil and volatile foods, it's actually down, I think, 0.1%.

00:44:31.000 So we're actually in deflationary when you take those out.

00:44:35.000 Not necessarily.

00:44:36.000 The year-on-year record can't fall unless we have deflation.

00:44:41.000 It can't fall significantly unless we have deflation, which would be bad for the economy.

00:44:45.000 Let me ask you this question.

00:44:48.000 How do you rate the condition of the national economy right now?

00:44:51.000 Very bad, fairly bad, fairly good, or very good?

00:44:55.000 Somewhere between fairly good and what was the second one?

00:44:59.000 Slightly bad?

00:45:00.000 Fairly bad.

00:45:01.000 Yeah, I'd say the same.

00:45:02.000 So, according to Civics right now, with 808,000 responses over the past 8 years, if you take a look at the latest developments from May of last year, 50% reported very bad.

00:45:17.000 Currently, 40% say very bad, 28% say fairly bad, 26% say fairly good, 2% say very good.

00:45:24.000 Only 2% say very good.

00:45:26.000 Now, what do you think's gonna happen if I sort this by political affiliation?

00:45:32.000 I think we all know.

00:45:33.000 I think everybody knows.

00:45:35.000 So I'll start with independent.

00:45:37.000 Among independent voters, 44% say very bad, 30% say fairly bad, and 20% say fairly good.

00:45:44.000 So it's actually worse than all combined.

00:45:47.000 Now Republican, I think, is obvious.

00:45:48.000 There we go.

00:45:49.000 70% says very bad, 25% fairly bad.

00:45:54.000 Among Democrats, 50% say fairly good.

00:45:58.000 Now, how can that be?

00:46:00.000 That to me makes absolutely no sense when we're looking at $7 cabbage and $9 eggs.

00:46:05.000 I don't believe it.

00:46:06.000 I agree.

00:46:07.000 I think inflation is horrible.

00:46:08.000 I think inflation has definitely impacted things.

00:46:11.000 I think that it was unavoidable given not just Biden's stimulus when he came into office.

00:46:17.000 He did like a $1.2 trillion stimulus.

00:46:20.000 Trump gave $3 trillion in stimulus or something like that as he headed out the door.

00:46:25.000 And it's the Fed.

00:46:26.000 The Fed kept rates low for 20 years.

00:46:29.000 That's just adding all of this excess demand to the economy and now they have to pull back

00:46:34.000 and when they pull back it's going to cost us jobs.

00:46:37.000 So I think that yes, inflation is bad.

00:46:40.000 I think if you take the United States economy, compare it to Europe, to Japan, to China even,

00:46:47.000 I think we're doing remarkably better and I think that you've got to compare it because

00:46:53.000 the situation we're in after COVID, I think the lockdowns affected things, the supply

00:46:58.000 chain disruptions affected things, oil shocks from Russia, that affected things.

00:47:04.000 I think that overall we're doing decent compared to the rest of the world I do very good it compared to the best I do think people need to recognize Donald Trump was the president when we were doing a lot of this inflationary policy stuff during COVID, like a lot of the stimulus stuff that was going on.

00:47:19.000 I don't blame him.

00:47:21.000 I think Biden's last stimulus was probably too much.

00:47:24.000 But also at the time, I don't think we realized that COVID was going to subside.

00:47:28.000 We're going to get Omicron and, you know, it wasn't going to be as bad of a strain.

00:47:32.000 And things started coming back a lot faster than we expected.

00:47:35.000 I think going back, I would say He shouldn't have done that last stimulus.

00:47:40.000 I think that probably would have helped inflation somewhat.

00:47:43.000 I honestly don't think it would have done more than maybe half a percentage point.

00:47:48.000 Were you guys in favor of Donald Trump giving out $2,000 checks?

00:47:51.000 Yeah.

00:47:53.000 That was the policy you guys agreed with?

00:47:55.000 I didn't.

00:47:55.000 I was like, what are you doing?

00:47:56.000 Are you crazy?

00:47:57.000 It was like a UBI, personally, myself, based on my principles and values.

00:48:01.000 I was like, that's a little bit too much for me.

00:48:03.000 And I think just spending money and printing money out of thin air has brought us to this very irresponsible place where we are, what, $34 trillion in debt?

00:48:10.000 That's not something that's feasible.

00:48:12.000 That's not something we could get out of.

00:48:13.000 That's something that Our children, children, children, childrens will be paying for if we're lucky, if the whole system doesn't crash, because we have essentially allowed some of the richest people in the world to enrich themselves while, of course, everyone else was screwed over.

00:48:27.000 And when we look at the COVID years through the Trump years, he has allowed the largest transfer of wealth in recorded human history.

00:48:34.000 That, to me, is atrocious.

00:48:35.000 That, to me, is absolutely unacceptable.

00:48:36.000 He gave us $2,000, but the billionaire class, they got way more than that.

00:48:41.000 So that's why I was against it on principle.

00:48:43.000 I mean, what would have happened, though, if he didn't, if Trump didn't issue that stimulus, if Biden didn't issue his stimulus?

00:48:50.000 What would have happened?

00:48:51.000 Would the economy have fallen so low that, you know, we could have hit a depression?

00:48:55.000 We don't know.

00:48:55.000 We, you know, economics is, that's what's kind of fun about economics is that Everybody has different theories of what would happen, and you don't know until it actually does happen.

00:49:06.000 You make a very good point here, but there's a lot of economists who are making the theory that if you prolong a depression or a recession, it's going to hit a lot harder.

00:49:15.000 And I think our financial policy has been prolonging any kind of correction.

00:49:20.000 And now, because of these fiscally irresponsible policies, when there is a correction, it's going to be hard, and it's going to be bad, and it's going to wipe out people instead of having the natural flow of the economy like there used to be, up and down, rates going up and down.

00:49:34.000 This is going to conflate into a huge problem that's going to absolutely hurt so many people, and that's why I'm against it.

00:49:40.000 I think it's good that rates are going up now, because you need that in your toolbox for when we do hit a You know, an epic disaster.

00:49:48.000 It would have been good to have that tool when COVID hit so that we didn't need to have as much money being pumped in through fiscal policy.

00:49:56.000 We could have used monetary policy.

00:49:58.000 But we didn't have that tool unless we went to negative rates, which would, you know, I don't think anybody's supporting negative rates right now.

00:50:04.000 Actually, Trump supported negative rates at the time.

00:50:06.000 He was kind of pushing for the Fed.

00:50:08.000 But no, I do think that we're headed towards a cliff at some point, whether it's in Three years or 30 years, I don't know when that's gonna be, but it's obviously not sustainable to have this debt and something needs to be done.

00:50:22.000 I think we can all agree to that.

00:50:24.000 Yes, it's not monetary, it's not MM, not modern monetary policy as prescribed by the definition of the term, which is you print massive amounts of money and then you invest it in infrastructure to rebuild capital so that it overcomes your debt.

00:50:35.000 This is, they just printed massive amounts of money and put it in people's bank accounts.

00:50:38.000 There's no industry being created with it, so it's not modern monetary policy.

00:50:42.000 Yeah, the Federal Reserve went to BlackRock.

00:50:43.000 It's like, here, have all this money.

00:50:45.000 Went to the stock market.

00:50:46.000 You're losing money.

00:50:47.000 Here, have all this money.

00:50:48.000 That was American foreign policy, fiscal policy.

00:50:49.000 It's crazy.

00:50:50.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:50:51.000 I think it's also from the bottom.

00:50:52.000 It's a different theory.

00:50:53.000 Do you start from the bottom and go up or do you start from the top and go down?

00:50:57.000 And there's two different foods of thought on that.

00:50:59.000 You know, some people think it's better to start at the bottom.

00:51:01.000 Some people think it's better to start at the top.

00:51:03.000 And, you know, I don't know.

00:51:05.000 There's an answer.

00:51:06.000 Every situation is different.

00:51:07.000 I think if you could go either direction, top or bottom, but as long as there's industry being created, like if the money's being spent on groceries, it's not moderate.

00:51:14.000 It's not monetarily, fiscally possible.

00:51:16.000 It's just pure debt that people eat, get fat.

00:51:19.000 But here's one of the issues I have with the Fed giving all this money to BlackRock and these big companies is ESG.

00:51:25.000 Are you guys familiar with?

00:51:26.000 ESG. So it's environmental, for those unfamiliar, environmental social governance. It's basically

00:51:30.000 ideological. I think it's basically state communism or state capitalism, whatever you

00:51:36.000 want to call it, injected into corporations, imposing an ideological bent on what they

00:51:40.000 can or can't do in exchange for a score. It's like a social credit score. What do you guys

00:51:44.000 think about ESG?

00:51:45.000 Jeff Fischer, CFO Alphabet and Google I think there's – I'm typically against the government

00:51:49.000 getting involved in corporations, But I also see where some people are coming from.

00:51:56.000 I think that our environment's important.

00:52:00.000 I have young kids.

00:52:02.000 I hope that climate change doesn't progress like some people are projecting.

00:52:08.000 I think it's kind of one of those gray areas.

00:52:10.000 I don't think ESG should be totally cut off, but I also don't think that we should take it over and overkill.

00:52:21.000 Don't remove it?

00:52:22.000 Everything has an in-between, I think.

00:52:24.000 But ESG, it's either in our institutions or it's not.

00:52:28.000 So this is what happened in West Virginia.

00:52:32.000 There's energy companies in West Virginia.

00:52:34.000 It's a big industry.

00:52:36.000 And these companies were told they could no longer secure financing to operate because it was against ESG.

00:52:42.000 And it's like, okay, well, that destroys the economy of West Virginia and puts everybody out of work.

00:52:47.000 Now, I'm not going to sit here and be like, we should burn the plant to the ground for the sake of someone having a job.

00:52:53.000 But certainly the solution isn't just to be like, we've implemented an ideological system that now destroys your industry.

00:52:58.000 There's got to be ways to, you know, we got to find a way to I think technologically advanced away from this.

00:53:04.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:53:05.000 So, like, the example I often give is how they used to be scared that New York would be littered

00:53:10.000 with mounds of horse crap everywhere because the horses were transporting all the goods.

00:53:15.000 And there was like this article written like, at the turn of the century, 1900s, there'll be so much 0.96

00:53:18.000 horse crap you'll be able to live in the city anymore. And they invented the

00:53:22.000 car.

00:53:22.000 And so my view is like, we need to slowly shift off this industry through invention and innovation.

00:53:27.000 ESG seems more like what China does. 0.96

00:53:30.000 The government gets involved, or some kind of ideological entity gets involved, and then punishes people, takes away their ability to operate their business unless they do things like fire their white board member and put a black woman as a board member.

00:53:45.000 I don't see how that's actually solving any problems or making anyone's life better other than actually creating racial animosity, destroying industries, and my view actually is if they start destroying these companies, they're actually going to make the issue of pollution worse.

00:54:00.000 It's going to result in people with like disheveled, broken down, disgusting houses, an inability to properly maintain a building, meaning You're going to get metals leaching into the water.

00:54:09.000 People are going to get sickly.

00:54:10.000 It's going to create pollution problems.

00:54:12.000 The economy isn't just, can we build a house?

00:54:14.000 It's, can we properly remove wastes, recycle wastes, innovate ways to solve these problems?

00:54:20.000 And destroying these industries, in my opinion, will probably result in us just piling up waste and living in filth.

00:54:24.000 And then you're going to get people who are going to be angry about the race stuff.

00:54:29.000 That's where it comes to, you know, the financial policy of giving money to these big corporations like BlackRock in order to buy a property.

00:54:36.000 It's the ideological component.

00:54:38.000 I suppose outside of all of that, though, we can talk for a bit.

00:54:41.000 I'm curious your thoughts on wokeness in general, critical race theory.

00:54:45.000 We should talk about all that stuff.

00:54:46.000 Yeah, I think that those in the right pay too much attention to the social issues and things that really aren't impacting them.

00:54:58.000 And if they're doing so, In a way that affects the happiness of other people and affects the way other people feel?

00:55:07.000 I don't agree with it.

00:55:09.000 I think that politicians on the right, and not everybody, I think that they should focus on other issues rather than some of the issues they've been focusing on, whether it is the LGBT community, all of that stuff.

00:55:23.000 I do have a particular issue.

00:55:25.000 What's your definition of woke?

00:55:27.000 Like, that's something I don't know, really, what the definition of woke is.

00:55:32.000 That's interesting.

00:55:32.000 So, if you go back in time, I'll simplify this way before I get into it.

00:55:38.000 I know what the general definition of woke is, and it has to do with inequality and stuff like that, but is that how the rite generally refers to it?

00:55:48.000 So, when you think you're enlightened, but you're not?

00:55:50.000 Well, perhaps.

00:55:51.000 The simple definition, colloquially for the right, is an ideological cult with no clear aims or goals masquerading as a social justice movement, is one simple way to define it.

00:56:03.000 The harder way to break it down is, going back in time, the culture war starts with intersectional feminism. 1.00

00:56:09.000 Which is elements of wokeness.

00:56:11.000 It then evolves into the greater critical race theory, which then starts adopting elements of critical gender theory, and now has become this big amalgam of all of these.

00:56:22.000 They're not necessarily all Marxist derivatives, but into a certain degree they are.

00:56:28.000 And the way I see it, If I was talking to somebody who already understood and agreed with me, I'd define it as fire.

00:56:38.000 Something that's just consuming and destroying and eventually will wipe us all out.

00:56:43.000 It's not so simple as to be like, it's just something that makes someone happy.

00:56:47.000 No, it's quite literally like, they say that, a simple example, and they're all grains of sand making a heap.

00:56:53.000 You can't say woman.

00:56:54.000 It's offensive.

00:56:55.000 It's not inclusive.

00:56:56.000 So you need to say women with a Y because women are not men. 0.66

00:56:59.000 Then they say, actually, that's offensive.

00:57:01.000 You should say women with an X because that includes this. 0.93

00:57:03.000 I mean, I say woman.

00:57:05.000 So I mean, my point is like, you end up with issues where people are getting banned from Twitter because they said, okay, dude, and this person is no longer allowed.

00:57:15.000 Is there actually an example of that?

00:57:17.000 Zuby got suspended from Twitter because the person identified as something else.

00:57:21.000 And he wasn't misgendering, he was having an argument, and they said something like, okay dude, like he was... Yeah, I mean, I think that's too far.

00:57:28.000 I think Twitter went too far.

00:57:29.000 But this has been too far for 10 years.

00:57:31.000 And it's getting to the point now where, you know, it starts with saying things like, hey, you know, we shouldn't be censoring people because they have these opinions, and then it leads us to, Hunter Biden's laptop is leaked.

00:57:42.000 It's got damning videos and information that implicates Joe and Hunter Biden, whether they're guilty or not, implicates.

00:57:49.000 And multiple polls have come out showing that if the American public had been made aware of the information on that laptop, I think it's between 6 and 7 percent said they would not have voted for Joe Biden.

00:58:00.000 Theoretically, that would mean that Donald Trump was president.

00:58:02.000 Now, that's massive.

00:58:04.000 And so that means that all of these issues we've been concerned about with the hate speech rhetoric,

00:58:09.000 which is like the idea that we should ban hate speech, is all a component of wokeness.

00:58:12.000 Twitter then implements policies based on this. Twitter then uses that for political advantages.

00:58:19.000 And now we know for a fact that for the most part, it was Democrats leaning on Twitter for favors.

00:58:25.000 Republicans did sometimes as well. But because the Twitter staff was overwhelmingly San Francisco

00:58:30.000 liberals, Democrats were—and in government too, like the Biden administration actively

00:58:35.000 are using the private sector as a weapon against their political opponents.

00:58:40.000 And what we view as wokeness is now just like, you can say woke or you say red-pilled,

00:58:44.000 you can say left or right. We're seeing a total bifurcation of our culture.

00:58:48.000 So, the interesting thing is, I've always been fairly liberal, in the literal traditional liberal sense, growing up in a democrat city.

00:58:56.000 And then the issue of free speech arises.

00:58:58.000 I look at these stories, notably from Gizmodo, and it says, you know, Facebook employees were routinely banning conservative news outlets from their trending tab.

00:59:06.000 That's 2016, they reported that.

00:59:07.000 And I said, hey guys, did you see the story?

00:59:09.000 What happens?

00:59:09.000 A whole bunch of leftist organizations come out saying Tim Pool is a conspiracy theorist who thinks the right is being persecuted, because I literally cited a left-wing news source They actually include it in my Wikipedia as if it was some kind of smear that I agree with conservatives that they're more likely to be suppressed or censored when it's a fact.

00:59:27.000 And it's always been a fact.

00:59:28.000 And this is the component of the culture war that leaves people on the left calling me right-wing or something.

00:59:34.000 So it's like, if I was going to vote for someone who is, you know, Democrat or progressive, because I was a big fan of Bernie before I think he lost his mind, It's not going to happen when the liberals and the Democrats are actively supporting a chaotic ideology of destruction and seeking to censor ideas they don't like.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, like, I think you have a point in some respect, but I think most Democrats, most liberals are not woke, as you say.

01:00:00.000 I think what the right does is they jump over, jump onto instances that took place and paint the picture that Liberals are all woke, or liberals are all, you know, you say woman with a Y, or whatever you said it was.

01:00:14.000 Just like how a lot on the left say, Republicans are all racist, or Republicans are all anti-Semitic.

01:00:22.000 I think there's similarities there. 0.72

01:00:23.000 I agree.

01:00:24.000 I agree that there's similarities, but I think, obviously, one side's wrong, right?

01:00:27.000 Obviously, the right is not all anti-Semitic. 0.98

01:00:29.000 That's ridiculous. 0.79

01:00:31.000 But you can say that the left is not entirely woke. 0.87

01:00:33.000 I would agree that liberals are not all completely woke, but they certainly agree with all of it.

01:00:37.000 No, I know.

01:00:38.000 I've heard the same thing.

01:00:39.000 They say, not all Donald Trump supporters are racists, but all racists are Trump supporters. 0.95

01:00:44.000 Then they say that the people who support Trump are blindly supporting white supremacy and other nonsense. 0.92

01:00:50.000 And it's just not true.

01:00:51.000 Donald Trump did not defend neo-Nazis as very fine people.

01:00:54.000 That was a complete lie.

01:00:56.000 They made the whole thing up.

01:00:57.000 Donald Trump literally said they should be condemned totally.

01:00:59.000 That's a quote.

01:01:00.000 And they lie.

01:01:01.000 But when it comes to liberals on the left and wokeness, I'll give you one example, the Parental Rights and Education Bill in Florida.

01:01:09.000 So you get kids who are severely depressed and being abused by their teachers.

01:01:14.000 The parents then find out, probably because, I think a lot of it was because of the remote learning, Parents had no idea their kids were suffering and depressed, and the schools weren't telling them, and the schools were actually trying to get these kids to undergo medical treatments without the parents' knowledge.

01:01:30.000 Parents get mad, so the Republicans in Florida say, we're gonna do a bill.

01:01:34.000 If you're third grade or below, no sex education.

01:01:37.000 Afterwards, the parents have a right to know about sex education.

01:01:40.000 What happens?

01:01:41.000 The Democrats come out with this big lie. 0.96

01:01:43.000 Don't say gay. 0.93

01:01:44.000 Completely not true.

01:01:44.000 Because the bill barred you from saying straight as well as saying gay.

01:01:48.000 But they run this fabricated narrative to smear anybody who says parents have a right to know what's going on with their kids.

01:01:53.000 That's wokeness.

01:01:55.000 Now whether all Democrats know they're part of a cult or are just blindly following it is the question.

01:02:00.000 So that bill, I actually follow that bill closely because I live in Florida and my wife's brother's gay so I'm close with him.

01:02:08.000 So I follow the bill and it changed, it evolved, that bill evolved a lot and so at the end I don't think it's as close to don't say gay anymore.

01:02:19.000 I don't think it really said that toward the end of the bill.

01:02:22.000 So what I'm saying is that I understand those who are angry.

01:02:29.000 I see both sides there.

01:02:31.000 I can see both sides on that, Bill.

01:02:33.000 I think, you know, the whole idea that you can't... So, the way you understand it, say a child has two fathers.

01:02:44.000 Draws a picture of his two fathers.

01:02:47.000 And another kid says, what's that?

01:02:49.000 You got two dads?

01:02:51.000 And starts making fun of the kid.

01:02:52.000 And the teacher comes in and says, you know, some families, there's two men in the family, they love each other, and they can have a perfectly fine family.

01:03:01.000 The bill doesn't bar that.

01:03:02.000 Yeah, but it's kind of hard to understand that.

01:03:04.000 And I think that's why a lot of people, especially early on, teachers were worried, hey, if I say this, am I going to get sued?

01:03:11.000 Am I going to have to But it was specifically outlined that only in classroom instruction was it prohibited.

01:03:17.000 Yeah, but what is instruction?

01:03:19.000 What's the definition?

01:03:20.000 It was all defined, right?

01:03:21.000 So quite literally, and this was actually outlined by the politicians, a teacher could walk up to a group of—say it's recess—the teacher could walk up to a group of students and say, I'm a man married to a man.

01:03:32.000 This means this, that, or otherwise.

01:03:34.000 It just couldn't be part of the curriculum.

01:03:35.000 I don't think that's how it was worded, at least not early on.

01:03:38.000 Early on in the bill, the way I read it, it was like, you couldn't talk about it.

01:03:41.000 When it goes to passing, and we're at the point where it's like, this is what's actually happening, the narrative across the country was all these celebrities going, gay.

01:03:50.000 Gay. 0.98

01:03:50.000 But even the bill itself, like, initially, you couldn't say straight either. 0.98

01:03:55.000 It was just no sex ed, period, for third grade or below.

01:03:59.000 So, like, if a kid drew a picture of a man and a woman and someone made fun of them, theoretically, the argument was still, you'd be like, that's a question for your parents.

01:04:06.000 Whether it's a man or a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. 0.89

01:04:09.000 Do you guys think third graders and below should learn about sex ed?

01:04:12.000 No, I don't think they should.

01:04:14.000 But I think a lot of this was a big misunderstanding, and a lot of people kind of jumped to conclusions and speculated when they really didn't know.

01:04:21.000 So I think, you know, the more clarifications.

01:04:23.000 But to have a whole national outcry kind of push this larger narrative, which wasn't really true, only empowered people like DeSantis.

01:04:32.000 I'm definitely gonna go back and read the final bill because I know I was following it really closely.

01:04:36.000 But then, so, talk about wokeness.

01:04:39.000 Then DeSantis goes and takes the special tax exemption from Disney because they were against the bill.

01:04:45.000 So, like, isn't that kind of the same thing?

01:04:47.000 Being woke?

01:04:48.000 Like, you're attacking a private company because they don't agree with your political philosophy?

01:04:53.000 I mean, that approach is unauthoritarian, Esamu.

01:04:55.000 I disagree.

01:04:56.000 I think Disney shouldn't have had the special provisions in the first place.

01:05:00.000 But they're a private company, though, right?

01:05:01.000 But that's an aside.

01:05:02.000 No, the fact that the state gave a major corporation that in the first place was more authoritarian.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, I agree they shouldn't have had it in the first place, but... So taking it away from them, kind of like they should have done that a long time ago for any reason.

01:05:12.000 It was as if it... I believe it was because... So you guys believe corporations shouldn't pay any taxes?

01:05:18.000 Is that what you guys are saying?

01:05:21.000 No, but should major corporations be allowed to lobby their employees and the state to prevent legislation?

01:05:28.000 I don't necessarily think so, but I think that the fact that he used that as the reason why he took it away... He was punishing them for being against him.

01:05:38.000 That's how—at least it appeared.

01:05:40.000 Don't you think that's why he did it?

01:05:42.000 He didn't just say, oh, now's a good time because randomly—it was awful.

01:05:46.000 Opinion argument.

01:05:46.000 I mean, I could argue it's because they're advancing abusive children, and it was deeply unpopular in the state, and they shouldn't have been given special privileges in the first place, so now's the best time to remove it from them.

01:05:57.000 Yeah, but I feel like laws should take care of that, not a governor, you know, stepping in and saying, because you go against my policy.

01:06:04.000 But it was a law.

01:06:04.000 It was the legislator that actually had to pass the bill.

01:06:06.000 Yeah, yeah, but I mean that bill's, yeah, the bill, but they're against that law.

01:06:10.000 They can, that's their freedom of speech, right?

01:06:12.000 No, no, I mean the stripping Disney of their provision came from the legislature.

01:06:15.000 Yeah.

01:06:15.000 Ron DeSantis was just a loud voice.

01:06:16.000 Yeah, and did he sign off on it, I assume?

01:06:19.000 I can't remember exactly what happened.

01:06:20.000 I think they ended up losing that in the long run.

01:06:23.000 Like, I think Disney went to court and ended up winning.

01:06:25.000 Oh, did they?

01:06:26.000 But I think that this is a tough one because I can certainly agree, you know, we have to find that balance.

01:06:30.000 Like, we don't want the government to attack private entities because of their policy.

01:06:35.000 Like, finding that balance is difficult.

01:06:36.000 I don't want power to centralize in the government or corporations.

01:06:40.000 We got to find that I will say, outside of it, Disney shouldn't have had that.

01:06:43.000 I think we agree.

01:06:44.000 Disney shouldn't be allowed to build a nuclear power plant.

01:06:46.000 That's so weird.

01:06:47.000 I think the issue is that it helped the Florida economy so much that Florida saw it as, hey, we're going to do this, but we're going to get so much back in tax revenue.

01:06:57.000 I mean, how much money are they making from tourists coming to Orlando every year?

01:07:03.000 I think the other issue is it's not just in Florida, right, when it comes to the wokeness, right?

01:07:09.000 So going back to the root issue, we're talking about wokeness.

01:07:11.000 You're saying, you know, not all liberals are woke, but I think all liberals march behind the woke blindly.

01:07:18.000 So, you know, one thing we've referenced quite a bit is this book, Gender Queer, that we have here.

01:07:21.000 Without getting into this for the 800th time for everyone who's listening, you've got places like Loudoun County, which is literally 30 seconds away from where we are right now.

01:07:28.000 You drive 30 seconds, boom, you're in Loudoun County.

01:07:31.000 And there was a student at a school who I think he raped two girls.

01:07:35.000 Is that what happened? 0.97

01:07:36.000 It was the trans student.

01:07:37.000 At least two that we know of. 0.99

01:07:39.000 He raped two girls in the bathroom. 0.96

01:07:40.000 And then the principal covered it up. 0.99

01:07:41.000 Yep.

01:07:42.000 And then when the parents started complaining about this stuff, they get shut down.

01:07:45.000 They get called far right.

01:07:46.000 The Biden administration investigates them as terrorists. 0.88

01:07:49.000 And the parent speaking out about this was arrested and manhandled by police officers when it was his daughter that got, you know, raped.

01:07:57.000 So, you know, those visuals were absolutely insane and crazy, seeing a father saying, hey, this is happening, and him being shut down and arrested and taken away, which was crazy.

01:08:06.000 But so this is what leads ultimately to, you know, Yunkin winning.

01:08:10.000 They say that the parents were getting fed up with the wokeness.

01:08:14.000 It's not just genderqueer, we had Asra Noumani came on with a stack of books that are appearing in public schools for children.

01:08:22.000 And it is, I'll put it this way, let me ask you a question.

01:08:26.000 Are you guys religious at all?

01:08:28.000 I'm Jewish, but I'd probably describe myself as agnostic.

01:08:32.000 All right, are you similar?

01:08:34.000 Yeah.

01:08:34.000 Do you think, let me give you an example, if there was a grade school, first graders, and they had a math book, And it had a math problem, and it said, there are 50 sinners in Sodom and 50 sinners in Gomorrah, and Abraham speaks to God and says, will you spare this if there is, you know, 10 righteous people?

01:08:56.000 How many righteous people would have to be, you know, how many people would be remaining in Sodom and Gomorrah if 10 righteous people were removed?

01:09:01.000 Do you want me to answer that?

01:09:02.000 Do you think that would be an appropriate math question in a public school?

01:09:05.000 No.

01:09:06.000 But because it's religion, right?

01:09:07.000 Because it's teaching the story of Lot, Abraham, Sodom and Gomorrah.

01:09:11.000 That's what they're doing in schools right now with critical race theory, which is an ideology.

01:09:15.000 See, that's another thing where I think you have to say there's no solid line.

01:09:21.000 So look, the math problem, we actually pulled the book up.

01:09:25.000 And it says, Jamal is stopped by the police 17 times on his way home from school, while Eric is stopped 3 times.

01:09:32.000 What percentage of the time was Jamal being stopped?

01:09:35.000 And it shows a picture of a little black boy, a cop, an angry cop pointing at the little black boy.

01:09:39.000 That's racial, that is critical race theory ideology being weaseled into math problems to instill an ideology in children.

01:09:47.000 I don't think that's appropriate.

01:09:49.000 But there's a difference between separation of church and state and something like that.

01:09:54.000 I disagree.

01:09:55.000 Technically, you're not supposed to have religion in school.

01:09:59.000 And critical race theory is a religion.

01:10:00.000 It's a non-theistic religion.

01:10:01.000 I shouldn't say critical race theory.

01:10:05.000 Wokeness, as we describe it as an umbrella term, is a non-theistic religion.

01:10:09.000 It follows all the tenets of religion except for a deity.

01:10:11.000 That's what we call non-theistic.

01:10:12.000 I mean, you could say that about so much stuff, though.

01:10:13.000 Like what?

01:10:15.000 You could say Trump supporting is a religion.

01:10:17.000 You could say, you know, Bitcoin maximalist, that's a religion.

01:10:21.000 Cults, every cult, you could... Well, it kind of is, Charlie.

01:10:23.000 A cult, yes, I agree.

01:10:25.000 So there are elements of Trump supporters I call cultists 100%.

01:10:28.000 Yeah, but I mean, if you start saying that's a religion... But there's no Trumpism.

01:10:34.000 Matt Gaetz challenges McCarthy, Trump calls him out, and Matt Gaetz responds with, sad.

01:10:40.000 Actually just rejecting Trump outright.

01:10:42.000 Many of these Republicans are just telling Trump, no.

01:10:45.000 There are a lot of... Yeah, but it didn't happen back then when he was president.

01:10:51.000 To a certain degree, I would say I agree with you, but I will also point this out.

01:10:54.000 You are like the fourth people we would describe as being left-leaning who have ever been willing to come on this show.

01:11:00.000 Because they will not have conversations.

01:11:02.000 The right is willing to have a conversation where there's disagreement, dispute, and potentially proving them wrong.

01:11:07.000 You know, I would take issue with that because you're left-leaning, I'm left-leaning, we're both libertarian left-leaning.

01:11:12.000 I think it is that what happens is NPCs will follow blindly any kind of ideology.

01:11:16.000 That's what I'm talking about, with the cult.

01:11:18.000 And wokeism, it might even be considered like a political philosophy.

01:11:21.000 So I'm all about teaching kids about communism.

01:11:25.000 This is what that is.

01:11:26.000 But when you teach them to become communists, you're indoctrinating.

01:11:30.000 And so the concern is, are they indoctrinating children with philosophy in school?

01:11:34.000 My issue is, what is the clear line of critical race theory?

01:11:39.000 If you teach about MLK, is that No.

01:11:42.000 No.

01:11:43.000 So but where is that line?

01:11:44.000 What differentiates that from, like where does that line end?

01:11:47.000 There has to be a clear line.

01:11:48.000 Assuming there is.

01:11:49.000 There is.

01:11:50.000 Critical race theory is defined as the concept of the oppressed versus oppressor on racial

01:11:55.000 grounds of the white man as the oppressor and the non-whites as the oppressed. 0.71

01:11:59.000 So in history though that took place.

01:12:00.000 So when you teach history... Not in China, or Japan.

01:12:03.000 No, I mean in America.

01:12:04.000 Sure, sure, but like... So if you teach American history, is that critical race theory?

01:12:08.000 No.

01:12:09.000 Okay.

01:12:10.000 So here's the issue.

01:12:11.000 Kimberly Crenshaw wrote in her book, it was an essay, I believe multiple people contributed, that Karl Marx got one thing right, he got something right with critical theory, that there is an oppressed and oppressor class.

01:12:21.000 Marx wrote that it was the wealthy who are the oppressors and the poor who are the oppressed.

01:12:26.000 I'm simplifying it.

01:12:27.000 And she said, he doesn't understand the racial component of America.

01:12:31.000 So we need a critical race theory.

01:12:34.000 And that's how they coined the term.

01:12:35.000 The idea then is white people are inherently oppressors, no matter what. 0.81

01:12:40.000 And non-white people are inherently oppressed no matter what. 0.95

01:12:42.000 That means Oprah Winfrey is oppressed, and a homeless veteran sleeping in the gutter is an oppressor. 0.90

01:12:47.000 And that's psychotic in my opinion, but that is the basis for the ideology they teach in these schools.

01:12:51.000 So when they did the Whiteness Contract, what was that book?

01:12:56.000 It was called... You want to look that one up?

01:12:58.000 Again, Asra Nomani brings this book to us and it shows a whiteness contract with a devil tail and a hand reaching out and it says, sign the contract and you'll receive all of these benefits at the expense of your non-white friends. 0.90

01:13:12.000 That is indoctrinating kids with an ideology.

01:13:16.000 You mentioned separation of church and state and I find this fascinating because what does church and state really mean?

01:13:22.000 Religions are ideologies. 1.00

01:13:24.000 They believe in tenets, they believe in a certain set of faith-based ideas, and then they hold true ideology.

01:13:32.000 What's the difference between that and any other ideology?

01:13:35.000 Obviously, religions have some spiritual component to them.

01:13:38.000 But if we're talking about separation of church and state, what we're really talking about is separation of an individual's ideology and the state.

01:13:44.000 The law should govern fairly and equally based upon certain facts, the Constitution and human rights, not whether someone believes someone is inherently evil or an oppressor or someone is going to heaven or hell.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, but ideologies are just opinions.

01:13:59.000 Ideologies are just opinions to another level.

01:14:04.000 If you ban creationism from schools because it was Christianity masquerading as science, then I argue the same thing for critical race theory. 0.98

01:14:13.000 So this is the way liberals tend to view critical race theory.

01:14:17.000 They view it from the standpoint that black people were oppressed by white people and you can't teach that that took place. 0.67

01:14:26.000 That's a lie.

01:14:26.000 But the problem is Certain people view it that way.

01:14:32.000 And if a bill is written saying you can't talk about critical race theory, what if somebody says that's critical race theory?

01:14:39.000 Then that teacher is going to get thrown out of school.

01:14:41.000 Teacher is going to be prosecuted, perhaps.

01:14:43.000 Well, you're talking about an issue for a judge to interpret the law properly.

01:14:46.000 But our teachers are paid, in Florida, they're paid like $30,000 a year.

01:14:50.000 Yeah, but look, you're making an argument that like, what if someone's arguing that- No, my argument, if that bill is written exactly how you explain it, then I think That would be a bill to support.

01:15:01.000 But if the bill just says critical race theory, it is just too... The law usually defines terms.

01:15:06.000 Yeah, but I haven't seen a law that defined it the way you've defined it.

01:15:10.000 That's the literal definition of what it is.

01:15:12.000 Well, so then you extend it.

01:15:14.000 From the book.

01:15:14.000 And what if you have a class that's talking about income inequalities and you link that certain races might be Inequal to others because of social... It's a Title IX violation.

01:15:29.000 No, so you have a class that might say... Title IX refers to, like, sex.

01:15:35.000 What I'm saying is, what if you're teaching that a certain area of this state is socioeconomically unequal to this area?

01:15:48.000 A percentage of this area is also 80% African-American.

01:15:54.000 I mean, where do you draw that line?

01:15:56.000 Is that now going to be... You just say that.

01:16:00.000 What's that?

01:16:00.000 But are you saying that that's going to be considered critical race theory because it's going back to race and socio-economical differences?

01:16:08.000 No, no, no.

01:16:08.000 Critical race theory and fact are two distinct things.

01:16:10.000 What if a school board says it is critical race theory?

01:16:13.000 They're wrong.

01:16:13.000 Yeah, but that teacher gets fired.

01:16:15.000 But you're making an argument for the courts to interpret the law.

01:16:19.000 No one is arguing that people should be able to misinterpret the law to abuse people.

01:16:22.000 But the courts haven't interpreted that law, and it's so broad, that one judge here could interpret it.

01:16:27.000 A judge in Florida, a judge in Georgia, a judge in New York's gonna...

01:16:31.000 Judge in New York just said bump stock ban was unconstitutional.

01:16:34.000 So you have one federal jurisdiction saying one thing.

01:16:36.000 A matter for the courts is not a matter for argument in law.

01:16:39.000 I'm saying outright there should be a separation from ideology and the state.

01:16:44.000 We should govern this country based on what we Vote in, so for instance, I mentioned Title IX is sex, Title VII is race.

01:16:54.000 It is a Title VII violation for what Joe Biden is doing right now in the federal government is completely illegal.

01:17:01.000 It's illegal!

01:17:01.000 And Donald Trump banned that and Biden removed that ban.

01:17:05.000 What's that?

01:17:05.000 What are you referring to?

01:17:06.000 In government contracting, Donald Trump made it illegal to claim white people are bad or evil and to implement trainings based on race.

01:17:15.000 This is directly in line with the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

01:17:19.000 This is Title VII.

01:17:21.000 This is 1991, blah blah blah, amended, etc, etc.

01:17:25.000 You cannot, in this country, go before a group of children, employees, government workers, period, and say, one race is better than the other.

01:17:34.000 That's our training.

01:17:35.000 But that's what they're doing.

01:17:36.000 Are they saying one race is better than another or one race is equal to another?

01:17:42.000 Is there an example of this?

01:17:44.000 An actual statement somebody made?

01:17:48.000 I'd have to pull up Christopher Ruffo's article because we haven't pulled it up in a long time.

01:17:52.000 Let me see if I can find it.

01:17:54.000 I agree.

01:17:54.000 If they're going around saying one race is better than the other, yeah, I don't think that's right.

01:18:00.000 National Nuclear Labs employees sent a seminar that claimed rugged individualism and hard work are white male culture.

01:18:07.000 There's also the Smithsonian Museum that said working hard and being on time are elements of white people. 0.73

01:18:13.000 Like, as if to imply, look, outside of any argument you want to make against, like, Asians, Hispanics, or, I'm sorry, Black people, or Hispanics, or whatever, the craziest thing is when the woke people and the critical race theorists argue this right here, nuts, Sandia Labs telling people that hard work is white male culture, as if Black people don't work hard. 0.96

01:18:32.000 That's insane.

01:18:33.000 But then when I have conversations with these people, they say, oh, you know, it's white people who adhere to schedules, and it's white people who save for the future.

01:18:41.000 Not kidding.

01:18:41.000 That's in the Smithsonian.

01:18:42.000 And then I'm like, what about Asians?

01:18:44.000 They plan longer for the future, on average, than white people do. 0.98

01:18:47.000 This is an insanely racist ideology that does not belong in government.

01:18:52.000 One of the reasons why I was more inclined to support Donald Trump, because Joe Biden's actively supporting what is overtly illegal.

01:18:57.000 Like, let me ask you, do you think- Well, I mean, Trump did too, and how many executive orders were overturned by judges during Trump's presidency?

01:19:03.000 I mean, that happens.

01:19:04.000 But I'm referring specifically to critical race theory, Title IX, Title VII, etc.

01:19:09.000 So, like, let me ask you guys.

01:19:11.000 If a teacher told a group of students that one race was bad, and one race was not, should that be allowed? 0.99

01:19:19.000 No.

01:19:20.000 But that's what they're doing.

01:19:22.000 Okay, and I mean, that teacher should be fired. 0.97

01:19:24.000 But this is critical race theory.

01:19:25.000 I mean, but shouldn't that teacher be fired anyway? 0.94

01:19:28.000 Like, I mean, do you need a bill that says you can't teach critical race theory so all the lines get blurred and teachers have less motive to be teachers?

01:19:38.000 I don't know who this guy is who's holding up this book, but I chose this for a reason.

01:19:41.000 Whiteness is a bad deal, it always was. 1.00

01:19:45.000 Dude, we can see your pointy tail. 1.00

01:19:47.000 And a white hand with a whiteness contract with fire and money and a devil's tail and goat feet is sticking up. 0.94

01:19:57.000 This book is in grade schools all over the place.

01:19:59.000 That might be called Not My Idea.

01:20:01.000 Not My Idea, right.

01:20:02.000 And here's the issue.

01:20:03.000 When someone like me comes out, and I'm like, urban skateboarding liberal dude, and I say, yo, that's messed up, you know what happens?

01:20:10.000 All the Democrats say I'm lying, I'm wrong, and I'm a conservative.

01:20:15.000 So I totally agree with you.

01:20:17.000 I don't think that belongs in schools.

01:20:19.000 But at the same time, I feel that the bill, this critical race theory thing, is an overreaction to a very few cases of this.

01:20:28.000 Discipline the teacher.

01:20:29.000 Fire the teacher. 0.99

01:20:30.000 You don't have to write a bill that's then going to be vaguely misunderstood by who knows around the country.

01:20:38.000 And puts teachers in difficult situations of, can I be saying this?

01:20:43.000 Should I be saying this?

01:20:44.000 Can I be teaching this?

01:20:45.000 Like, do you know how severe the teacher shortage is?

01:20:47.000 Especially in Florida.

01:20:48.000 Like, my son doesn't even have a kindergarten teacher.

01:20:50.000 He doesn't have a teacher because people don't want to teach.

01:20:52.000 I mean, I think public schools are completely corrupt as it is.

01:20:55.000 Hey, say the pledge of allegiance.

01:20:57.000 Pledge your allegiance to this country before you say that again.

01:20:59.000 Don't you remember the indoctrination camp?

01:21:01.000 Pledge your allegiance every day.

01:21:03.000 But now a lot of these schools are doing pledge allegiance to the pride flag.

01:21:07.000 I think schools are completely corrupt.

01:21:08.000 A school making you pledge your allegiance to anything is crazy.

01:21:10.000 I mean, you know about the history of public schools.

01:21:12.000 Luke, who was it?

01:21:13.000 Was it Rockefeller?

01:21:14.000 Well, Rockefeller was a key instrumental figure with his larger institutions when it came to building up this model of essentially building up good slave factory workers. 0.77

01:21:23.000 A lot of the education system, depending on what time they start, the breaks that they have, is all based on creating them to be good factory workers.

01:21:32.000 There's a lot of consensus here.

01:21:33.000 But there's also a lot of Crazy things, especially with the New York City Public School Board system even having one of their representatives previously a couple years publicly declare that, hey, if there's a poor white kid, we have to spend resources on a rich black kid over a poor white kid because this is to fight all the racism that's happening in this country.

01:21:52.000 When we see educators and people that have been entrusted in our education system giving out resources based on color and not on need, that to me is something that we have a big problem with and should be kind of corrected, in my opinion.

01:22:05.000 I mean, that goes to the whole reparations argument.

01:22:08.000 I had a class in college about inequality.

01:22:14.000 I feel there's good arguments on both sides of that.

01:22:18.000 And if I'm a black person, I've seen, you know, my family struggle.

01:22:23.000 All their generations struggling.

01:22:25.000 You just want to be like, just give one of us an opportunity and we'll try and make a difference.

01:22:30.000 So I see their point of view, but I also can see that poor white family's view that could also be stuck in a similar situation.

01:22:37.000 Maybe not dating back to slavery.

01:22:40.000 You know, maybe it's not, they never got started.

01:22:42.000 Maybe it's something else bad happened in their family.

01:22:45.000 Maybe their father was killed and their mother had to raise them.

01:22:47.000 So do you agree giving more resources to rich black kids over poor white kids because of their race? 0.51

01:22:54.000 In general?

01:22:56.000 I think it would be based on a situation.

01:23:00.000 I would think I'd need the details on both situations.

01:23:03.000 Are you guys in favor of reparations based on slavery?

01:23:07.000 Indifferent.

01:23:08.000 Not indifferent, but I see both sides.

01:23:12.000 I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.

01:23:14.000 I don't think that would be a factor in me voting for one candidate or the other just

01:23:21.000 because I see the difficulty in that decision. Do you think race should be

01:23:25.000 taken into account when someone applies to college? I think so.

01:23:31.000 I really do.

01:23:32.000 I think that they need to try and kind of even out the racial differences.

01:23:39.000 Why?

01:23:39.000 You think people are different based on race?

01:23:42.000 I don't think they're different, but I think they have different socioeconomic upbringings.

01:23:46.000 I think that one race has been pushed down for generations and generations.

01:23:53.000 Which one?

01:23:54.000 The Polish people, right? 0.98

01:23:55.000 The Polish people have been screwed over historically. 0.95

01:23:58.000 Maybe Polish people as well. 0.98

01:23:59.000 Jewish people too.

01:24:00.000 So, would you be willing to go to, say, an impoverished seven-year-old Asian boy, look him in the eyes and say, you are not welcome at Harvard because you look too much like those people? 0.91

01:24:11.000 I totally get that argument, and I do think it's difficult.

01:24:16.000 Like, maybe it makes more sense to be like, where you live and not your race?

01:24:20.000 It would make more sense to say, hey, yeah, where you live or what your background was.

01:24:26.000 Your lineage.

01:24:27.000 Your lineage, but how do you go about that, you know?

01:24:29.000 I agree, it's unfair for some people.

01:24:32.000 Harvard, you know, they have that lawsuit where you have to score 1,300 if you're Asian, 1,000 if you're white, 800 if you're Latino, and like 700 if you're black, which I just think is extremely racist.

01:24:44.000 But they're doing it because they think they want racial parity, which to me also makes no sense, as if to imply that race is the component by which we measure humanity, and it's a weird thing to me. 0.89

01:24:55.000 But that means that poor Asians will be kicked out for rich black kids. 0.89

01:25:00.000 And I'm just like, I don't get that. 0.93

01:25:02.000 I understand their argument, and I can understand both sides of it.

01:25:06.000 I don't understand their argument at all.

01:25:07.000 What's their argument?

01:25:08.000 I think the argument is that we As a nation have pushed down this group of people, African Americans, for so long, generation after generation, going back to the 1800s. 1.00

01:25:20.000 I think we owe it to them in a way to equalize their opportunity now.

01:25:25.000 But actually, I see something real quick.

01:25:29.000 Sorry.

01:25:29.000 I see it.

01:25:30.000 I see my view is based on we're all Americans and your view is based on we're white and you're black.

01:25:35.000 No, my view is that we as a nation have pushed these people down for so long that... Right, right.

01:25:46.000 These people, not us.

01:25:47.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:25:49.000 I view us all as one group.

01:25:50.000 You view us as separate groups.

01:25:52.000 Let me try.

01:25:55.000 I don't want to speak as a black person because I don't know, you know, I don't know their life and I don't know everything they've gone through.

01:26:01.000 But from my point of view, the way that I would view it if I can imagine myself in their situation, which I know I can't fully, is my great great great grandfather was a slave.

01:26:14.000 He had to.

01:26:15.000 He worked for this man.

01:26:16.000 He got nothing.

01:26:18.000 Uh, you know, he had his son.

01:26:20.000 Pause here real quick.

01:26:20.000 Yeah.

01:26:21.000 Not even that far back.

01:26:22.000 Okay.

01:26:22.000 We've had people on whose grandparents.

01:26:24.000 Okay.

01:26:24.000 So older people.

01:26:25.000 All right.

01:26:25.000 Great, great grandfather.

01:26:26.000 That would help.

01:26:27.000 No, literal grandfather.

01:26:28.000 Like my grandfather.

01:26:29.000 Okay.

01:26:29.000 I'll do my grandfather.

01:26:31.000 My grandfather was a slave and you know, he couldn't, he had to work his ass off.

01:26:37.000 Didn't earn a dime, you know? 0.95

01:26:39.000 And then his, Owner died, he died, and my father was his son, and he tried making a life for himself, but he had to go to an all-black school with teachers who were subpar, and he'd ride on the back of the bus.

01:26:57.000 His education just wasn't there.

01:26:59.000 It wasn't on par with these white people. 0.95

01:27:02.000 So he didn't get a good education.

01:27:04.000 He had to work in the factory.

01:27:07.000 He worked his butt off and hardly earned a dime.

01:27:12.000 And I couldn't go to college because of it because I had to go work from an early age.

01:27:19.000 And then my son, I want him to get an education but I can't afford to pay his college.

01:27:23.000 I, you know, he's smart but he's not as smart as this guy because I couldn't spend as much time raising him as some of these other fathers.

01:27:30.000 So I want him to have the same opportunity as his white counterparts. 0.95

01:27:34.000 So that's a point of view from the black person.

01:27:36.000 So I can see why they get so, why they feel so impacted by what happened in the past.

01:27:44.000 I want to clarify too, what I mean to say is, there are people in this country who are older,

01:27:48.000 who's actually like, very old, and their grandparents, I was watching some video about

01:27:53.000 it. But then for the people that we've talked to, it's great grandparents and stuff like that.

01:27:56.000 But the issue I take with it is, we had one conversation.

01:28:00.000 So what about the dude whose family has been historically poor because his great-great-grandfather

01:28:08.000 died fighting for the the union to end slavery and they lost everything.

01:28:13.000 Their house was burned down and destroyed by the Confederates, and now they're slack-jawed, you know, mountain trailer people. 1.00

01:28:21.000 They are not entitled to anything?

01:28:23.000 And they have a right to feel entitled to stuff too.

01:28:26.000 But they're not going to get it because you're basing everything on race.

01:28:28.000 And I don't mean you, I mean like the system would be like, it would say, oh, black people are oppressed, therefore black people.

01:28:34.000 The issue I take with that is Oprah Winfrey does not deserve a handout.

01:28:37.000 She doesn't need it.

01:28:38.000 She's one of the wealthiest people on the planet. 1.00

01:28:40.000 And these people who are in rural West Virginia, which broke off from Virginia to stay with the union and actually ended up opposing slavery, these people are impoverished Because of that history, shouldn't they get some kind of reparation for the sacrifices their families made?

01:28:56.000 Maybe they should, yeah, maybe they should.

01:28:58.000 But then it's not race, you see?

01:28:59.000 Yeah, but... Or what about the British sailors that were fighting in Africa against slavery?

01:29:04.000 No, so what I'm saying is that these, this group of individuals who, it dates back to slavery, so these people, most black Americans have ancestors who were enslaved, so they feel like they deserve some sort of, you know, Something to help them rise to the level of their counterparts. 0.51

01:29:26.000 Is that true?

01:29:27.000 I mean, it would be very hard to kind of calculate.

01:29:29.000 I think most black Americans are descendant of slaves.

01:29:33.000 I've heard data suggesting the opposite of that.

01:29:36.000 Really?

01:29:36.000 Because there's been a lot of immigration, there's been a lot of people coming in, but it's going to be very hard to tell because how do you prove a lot of this stuff when there wasn't really a lot of records as well?

01:29:45.000 That's a good point.

01:29:46.000 No, and I've talked about this quite a bit too, especially the documentary I did in Ferguson and St.

01:29:51.000 Louis.

01:29:52.000 Absolutely, there are people who are the descendants of slaves, so they have no generational wealth.

01:29:56.000 And then there's a tendency among white people to have generational wealth.

01:29:59.000 But the solution, in my opinion, isn't race-based.

01:30:02.000 It is not critical race theory.

01:30:04.000 Because what ends up happening is then when you say that white people are oppressors and non-whites are oppressed, there's like a homeless veteran who grew up in the sticks, low-income family, joins the military, fights for this country, comes home, is injured in a wheelchair, he's an oppressor.

01:30:20.000 Like, come on, man.

01:30:21.000 That's a crooked ideology that makes no sense.

01:30:23.000 I want to call it.

01:30:23.000 And that, like, Will Smith's kids are going to get, you know, benefits in college.

01:30:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that white people are oppressors. 0.60

01:30:29.000 I mean, back then they were oppressors.

01:30:32.000 During times of slavery, the majority of white people who owned slaves obviously were oppressors, right? 0.58

01:30:37.000 But I think that's an interesting question, too.

01:30:39.000 What does it mean to be an oppressor?

01:30:41.000 If you're getting your cobalt out of the Congo and there's 15,000 black people digging with their hands and hammers to try and get this toxic chemical out, are we oppressing? 1.00

01:30:49.000 We're oppressors right now.

01:30:51.000 There's reparations right now if you want it.

01:30:53.000 Here's my point.

01:30:55.000 You go back to the 1700s when there was, what was it, like 4 million people or 2 million people who lived in the United States, this area that we call the United States?

01:31:04.000 It was like two million.

01:31:05.000 It was like some ridiculously small number.

01:31:06.000 So are you really an oppressor if the people can just go build a log cabin and hunt for food like everyone else is doing?

01:31:15.000 I understand the Native Americans would eventually lose land and there was conflict in that regard.

01:31:20.000 That's war. 0.51

01:31:22.000 If someone goes to war with someone else over resources, do we call one side the oppressor?

01:31:26.000 Going back, we don't.

01:31:27.000 We never did.

01:31:28.000 But, I mean, slavery's not war.

01:31:30.000 Slavery's just taking people and forcing them to work for you. 0.94

01:31:33.000 Right.

01:31:33.000 So, my point is, as it pertains to—obviously not slavery.

01:31:40.000 The point I'm bringing up is the idea that white people were always oppressors. 0.81

01:31:43.000 Certainly, there are white people who literally did oppress other people.

01:31:47.000 The Romans. 0.80

01:31:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:49.000 The Romans had a big start. 0.74

01:31:50.000 What I mean to say is— White people in general are not oppressors.

01:31:53.000 That's critical race theory.

01:31:54.000 The idea that white people specifically are oppressors and non-whites are oppressed.

01:31:58.000 That's literally it.

01:31:59.000 That's not how I know most my liberal friends.

01:32:02.000 They're wrong.

01:32:02.000 They don't read books.

01:32:03.000 I gotta tell you, this is the problem.

01:32:06.000 We have the books here.

01:32:07.000 I can show you. 0.95

01:32:09.000 You know, this book, which is in grade schools, which depicts a non-binary woman receiving a blowjob, and they give it to kids to read. 0.97

01:32:17.000 And she talks about her severe psychological trauma and abuse. 0.78

01:32:20.000 We actually had multiple books from critical race theorists that we've gone through and read.

01:32:26.000 And, you know, you'll say, my liberal friends don't view it that way.

01:32:29.000 It's like, well, they're wrong.

01:32:30.000 They're not reading it.

01:32:31.000 Yeah, like, so I get what you're saying, but I feel like if you're going to write a bill banning critical race theory, you don't just say critical race theory.

01:32:39.000 You outline exactly what is deemed... Fair point.

01:32:44.000 And that's what Donald Trump did when he banned critical race theory.

01:32:47.000 He didn't say critical race theory.

01:32:48.000 He said any training That would argue a certain race is better than another race, etc.

01:32:55.000 and things like that.

01:32:56.000 That's what he actually had.

01:32:57.000 The legal office for the White House wrote this thing up.

01:33:01.000 He signed the executive order, and all it basically said was, it is illegal under the Civil Rights Act, Title VII, to discriminate on the basis of race, therefore, and then Joe Biden rescinded that and allowed these companies to continue discriminating on the basis of race.

01:33:14.000 But these bills are very broad, and I think that we can agree that if the language was defined enough to be able to say, this is considered critical race theory, this is not, I think we'd agree that, yeah, this can be a law.

01:33:31.000 But I think when you leave it open to the courts, and then you have teachers getting sued, you have parents attacking teachers, I think it opens up a whole can of worms That isn't really necessary when you can actually go after the teachers themselves based on other things, like something like that.

01:33:50.000 The teacher can be criticized, could be fired on an individual basis.

01:33:54.000 I completely agree and I think one of the problems is that parents see this stuff and they don't sue.

01:33:59.000 Some parents do.

01:34:02.000 If they went to your kid and said white people are bad, okay that's racist.

01:34:05.000 That's a violation of the Civil Rights Act, Title VII.

01:34:08.000 File your lawsuit, get the book pulled.

01:34:10.000 Instead, we get a lot of, like, community complaints and stuff like that, which has borne fruit, but I think lawsuits are the way to go.

01:34:18.000 We did see, however, with books like Genderqueer, when parents go to school board meetings and read the book, they get ejected for reading pornographic material in public.

01:34:27.000 Like, the board freaks out and says, stop, stop, stop, you can't say these things here, and they're like, then why are you giving it to our kids in school?

01:34:33.000 I feel like it's super important to teach about critical race theory, that it's important that people know what it is, any kind of political or philosophy theory.

01:34:42.000 You should have classes like for college kids or high school kids, like political philosophy on critical race, but indoctrinating, especially children, young children, like with any kind of ideology.

01:34:53.000 So I could see banning the indoctrination tactics, but not necessarily banning the ideas, because we need to understand what it is, like communism.

01:35:00.000 You got to understand what communism is in order to bypass it.

01:35:03.000 Yeah.

01:35:04.000 So I know I had a class at Rutgers in college about critical race theory.

01:35:10.000 It wasn't called critical race theory, but it discussed a lot of things that critical race theory does.

01:35:14.000 But in grade school, in middle school, we didn't learn anything like that.

01:35:19.000 And I don't really think the vast majority of classes are.

01:35:24.000 They are.

01:35:25.000 I mean, my kids haven't learned it.

01:35:27.000 I have a third-grader who hasn't learned anything.

01:35:30.000 But this is another misunderstanding.

01:35:32.000 The teachers aren't coming out and saying, everybody open up Critical Race Theory by Kimberlé Crenshaw.

01:35:37.000 They're saying, everybody open up Math 101.

01:35:39.000 Read me the problem.

01:35:40.000 And the kid goes, Jamal got stopped by the police 17 times.

01:35:45.000 Eric got stopped 5 times.

01:35:47.000 What percentage of the stops were illegal stops against Jamal for being black?

01:35:52.000 No, but I read my son's homework.

01:35:54.000 There's nothing even close to that.

01:35:55.000 There's nothing in there like that.

01:35:56.000 Maybe it's some obscure super left-leaning community school that has that, maybe, but most liberals wouldn't support that.

01:36:06.000 And that's the problem!

01:36:07.000 You guys aren't- But don't write a bill saying- That's a separate issue.

01:36:12.000 I agree.

01:36:12.000 Don't write a bill.

01:36:13.000 They shouldn't have this stuff in the schools.

01:36:15.000 It should be done through the school board meetings and removed.

01:36:17.000 The books are in the other room, actually.

01:36:19.000 Asra Nomani bought a stack of all these books.

01:36:21.000 One of them was from Ibram Kendi, and it was a workshop book, and it opened it up and it said, explain the differences between you and a racially different peer or whatever and things like that.

01:36:35.000 Let me show you this one, man.

01:36:37.000 I can't even show this on camera, and it's like... Yeah, but is that an actual curriculum book or something that somebody checked out in a library?

01:36:45.000 I think it was turned up in libraries.

01:36:48.000 No, but it was on reading lists for kids.

01:36:51.000 Recommend reading lists, yeah.

01:36:52.000 Yeah, and it was in thousands of schools.

01:36:55.000 No, I get it.

01:36:55.000 There's, you know, hundreds of thousands of schools.

01:36:57.000 I mean, what were the books we were reading when we were in grade school, like To Kill a Mockingbird?

01:37:01.000 I mean, there's, yeah, I mean, yeah.

01:37:03.000 What do you think, a kid should look at this?

01:37:05.000 No, absolutely not.

01:37:06.000 Okay, so this is genderqueer, and NPR just wrote it.

01:37:10.000 And what grades, what grades had access to it?

01:37:12.000 Twelve-year-olds.

01:37:13.000 Yeah, I definitely not.

01:37:14.000 And so the problem is when I come out, and I go to liberals and say, hey, that shouldn't 0.97

01:37:19.000 be in front of kids, they say, you hate gay people. 1.00

01:37:22.000 You're a liar. 1.00

01:37:23.000 You're anti LGBTQ. 1.00

01:37:24.000 And I'm like, I'm just saying don't show blowjobs to 12 year olds. 1.00

01:37:27.000 Are you nuts? 1.00

01:37:28.000 So that doesn't happen. 0.96

01:37:29.000 You know, put that in the bill, right?

01:37:31.000 Well, so so this is this is the issue.

01:37:33.000 This book is there's an they've like you go to any of these prominent left websites, and

01:37:39.000 they argue, it's an important memoir for young queer teens, they need to read this stuff.

01:37:43.000 And I'm like, dude, you don't need to show there's more than just that in there.

01:37:47.000 That was just one thing.

01:37:48.000 Yeah, and I don't even I don't even think I can say on YouTube, some of the other stuff.

01:37:51.000 We've already talked quite a bit about it.

01:37:52.000 But we'll show you in the after show.

01:37:53.000 It's, it's insane.

01:37:55.000 We have this on the table because Ian bought it.

01:37:57.000 A lot of conservatives haven't even read it.

01:37:59.000 And it is worse than what I just showed you, like the trauma and abuse that's in this book.

01:38:03.000 book.

01:38:05.000 Thousands of schools, at the very least.

01:38:07.000 Are you sure about that?

01:38:08.000 Like, honestly?

01:38:09.000 Yep.

01:38:10.000 I don't believe that.

01:38:10.000 I don't believe there's thousands of schools that have that book.

01:38:13.000 This is why in Loudoun County, right here, we had parents screaming.

01:38:17.000 Because these books are in grade schools.

01:38:19.000 I mean, let me see if I can... But at the same time, they're also banning books that aren't that crazy.

01:38:28.000 And when I say ban, I mean they're trying to take books out of libraries that aren't that bad.

01:38:35.000 Is there one specific one?

01:38:36.000 I don't have.

01:38:36.000 I know I've looked at lists and I've read about them.

01:38:39.000 I didn't see genderqueer.

01:38:41.000 Was To Kill a Mockingbird on there?

01:38:42.000 I thought I'd seen that getting taken out.

01:38:45.000 I think it was.

01:38:45.000 I think 1984 is also being taken out of some schools.

01:38:47.000 Take a look at this.

01:38:49.000 From NPR, efforts to ban books jumped an unprecedented fourfold.

01:38:53.000 There's genderqueer on their list of banned books.

01:38:56.000 Now, why are they calling it a banned book?

01:38:58.000 Like, is Hustler a banned book?

01:39:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:01.000 Like, if you've got a book that depicts sexual acts and explains how to do them, would you call it banning a book?

01:39:05.000 Or would you say, like, we just don't allow obscene material for children?

01:39:08.000 The banning of books is when the government destroys every copy of it, kind of thing.

01:39:11.000 Are these school libraries or public libraries?

01:39:13.000 The ALA's Office for Intellectual Freedom counted 729 challenges to library, school, and university materials in 2021, a significant jump.

01:39:21.000 Last year, they noted 156.

01:39:23.000 So here's what's happening.

01:39:24.000 The total number of individual books challenged in 2021 was 1,597.

01:39:29.000 Genderqueer is just one of these books. 0.57

01:39:31.000 People aren't actually challenging some of the more egregious critical race theory based books that are appearing in schools.

01:39:37.000 The stuff that we've actually looked at.

01:39:39.000 And then we have advocacy groups coming, we've multiple times interviewed them.

01:39:42.000 It is hard, right?

01:39:43.000 So a thousand, fifteen hundred books in how many schools does it say?

01:39:46.000 They're talking specifically about these books.

01:39:49.000 So when we have someone come in here and say, here's a book that does that math problem I explained.

01:39:53.000 It used to be like a train leaves Cincinnati at 5 p.m.

01:39:56.000 and leaves New York.

01:39:56.000 At what point did it crash?

01:39:58.000 Now it's, you know, a black man is beaten by the police 17 times.

01:40:01.000 A math problem?

01:40:03.000 Really?

01:40:04.000 We've actually had the book and we opened it.

01:40:06.000 We went through it on this show.

01:40:08.000 That book shouldn't be there.

01:40:10.000 I agree the school board should just say this book should be in our school.

01:40:13.000 I don't think there needs to be laws that are in place that are broad that could be misinterpreted by a super right-leaning school board.

01:40:22.000 And so here's the gain that we get from this show is Next time you come across someone talking about something like this, you simply say, I agree, that shouldn't be in the school.

01:40:33.000 Let's advance, you know, getting that out.

01:40:35.000 And then agreed.

01:40:36.000 Whether it's 1,000 schools, 5,000 or 10,000, we'll just agree, okay, sure, for you guys, not the most important issue in the world, but that shouldn't be in schools.

01:40:46.000 We agree.

01:40:46.000 It seems like it's wrapping the conversation back around the importance of school boards.

01:40:50.000 We constantly, I'm like, what is the answer?

01:40:51.000 Cause I'm looking out there at Klaus Schwab, Economic Forum, Global Collusion,

01:40:55.000 but what's the answer?

01:40:56.000 It's local.

01:40:57.000 People keep telling me, I mean, Luke's a huge proponent of local communities

01:41:00.000 and stuff, but like your local school boards.

01:41:02.000 Because I think a lot of the problems is that there's been very little oversight

01:41:05.000 of what the schools have been doing.

01:41:07.000 Kids would send them there, and then eight hours later, they'd see the kid,

01:41:10.000 you have a little conversation about it.

01:41:12.000 But now with like video cams in the chat, in the schools since COVID,

01:41:15.000 people are like, whoa, this is what they're reading.

01:41:17.000 This is what they're reading?

01:41:19.000 After we wrap this portion and go to the members only, I'll see if I can, if we have a big bookshelf of books of other people brought in, we'll see if we can grab them.

01:41:25.000 Cause we have stacks of these books that are in these schools, but we got to go to super chats cause we're running late.

01:41:29.000 So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at timcast.com.

01:41:36.000 We're going to have a members only uncensored show coming up for you, which should be good fun.

01:41:40.000 But let's read some superchats.

01:41:42.000 All right.

01:41:43.000 Plank says, being someone who currently holds a TS-CSI clearance, I can tell you that the media and Biden are gaslighting the TF out of everyone who doesn't hold a clearance or no protocols.

01:41:55.000 I can explain it all.

01:41:56.000 Please do.

01:41:57.000 Well, get another superchat in there, Plank.

01:42:00.000 Michael Alio says, I called this shortly after Biden became president.

01:42:04.000 They get rid of him after two years, which can set up Kamala to be president for 10 years in accordance with the 22nd Amendment.

01:42:10.000 I take Buddha judge over Kamala. 0.72

01:42:11.000 Yeah.

01:42:12.000 Amen.

01:42:13.000 Kamala is so popular though.

01:42:15.000 Everyone loves her.

01:42:16.000 She's so personable and such a great personality and definitely worked really hard with Willie Brown to get where she's at.

01:42:23.000 Culture Abduction says they should have a debate with the Hodge twins.

01:42:26.000 Twins versus twins. 0.80

01:42:26.000 Absolutely. 0.80

01:42:27.000 We actually invited him onto our podcast, but they never wrote back to us on Twitter.

01:42:30.000 So Hodge twins, if you're watching us, check your Twitter DMs. 0.97

01:42:33.000 DM us on Twitter.

01:42:34.000 And when you do the wide shot Or we'll come back, we'll come back to this show and it can be like, but I guess somebody has to get kicked out, right?

01:42:41.000 Clint, Clint Sora says, first Hodge twins, now these guys.

01:42:44.000 What is this, twin cast now?

01:42:46.000 Yep, that's right.

01:42:48.000 That's kind of weird that it worked out that way.

01:42:49.000 Are you guys identical twins?

01:42:51.000 Yeah, we are.

01:42:51.000 Because you look similar, but not completely identical.

01:42:53.000 I'm slightly better looking.

01:42:56.000 Now why is that?

01:42:57.000 Is that because you got more sunlight or something?

01:42:58.000 I was sitting on his face in my mom's womb. 0.70

01:43:02.000 Do you get mad that he says that?

01:43:03.000 I thought he rode my back.

01:43:05.000 Did you come out first?

01:43:06.000 I did.

01:43:07.000 He did.

01:43:07.000 It was a c-section.

01:43:09.000 I was supposed to come out and they took him out.

01:43:12.000 Stole my thunder.

01:43:13.000 Oh, nasty! 0.94

01:43:14.000 All right, Michael Irwin says, hey Ian, how do you defend the Fediverse when sites like Mastodon seem to be havens for CP?

01:43:19.000 Do we have to accept things like that for your decentralized internet?

01:43:22.000 Yeah, really, how do you accept the world when you know that people are being trafficked around it?

01:43:27.000 That's a great question.

01:43:28.000 The horrors of humanity are exposed on the internet.

01:43:30.000 I don't know if there's a solution.

01:43:32.000 So Deeso, I was talking to you about Deeso, which is Deeso.com, decentralized social media.

01:43:37.000 What they do is they have a database, a blockchain, and You know, all that data can get into the blockchain, but people can flag it, and the apps that are running on that blockchain can choose what they want to show or not.

01:43:48.000 So they could say, post flagged by Tim or flagged by X amount of people just won't show on my node.

01:43:55.000 So I think there is a solution.

01:43:57.000 I think we'll get there.

01:43:58.000 Use like a government command.

01:43:59.000 I mean, if someone posts something illegal, they should be dealt with by the authorities.

01:44:04.000 The authorities, though, are aiding and abetting a lot of this stuff, which is disgusting.

01:44:08.000 So that's the first place that I would look into.

01:44:10.000 And I want to add this.

01:44:11.000 How do you defend highways when people in cars traffic children on highways?

01:44:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:17.000 Like, I'm not going to blame the Fediverse because bad people do bad things.

01:44:21.000 We got to stop bad people from doing bad things.

01:44:23.000 Yeah, but I mean, you don't want to randomly see bad things either because then you're doing something bad.

01:44:27.000 Well, I mean, like, we got to think about it.

01:44:29.000 If you're driving on the highway and you see someone committing a crime, you report it.

01:44:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:34.000 Like, hey, stop.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:44:37.000 All right, let's see.

01:44:38.000 Definitely check out DeSo.com.

01:44:40.000 Yeah, tell me about DeSo really quick.

01:44:41.000 Yeah, so it's decentralized social media, and basically where you have the data is actually decentralized on a blockchain.

01:44:49.000 And you can have different nodes, so you can have like Twitter.com, you can have Brian.com.

01:44:53.000 We can pull up that data and censor it however we want, but that data can never be fully censored because it's on the blockchain and anybody can pull it up.

01:45:00.000 So it kind of solves this censorship debate.

01:45:03.000 All right, Midas says, the intent argument is invalid.

01:45:06.000 Comey did the same garbage, where he read intent into a law that didn't have it.

01:45:10.000 Trump was perfectly legal. 0.99

01:45:12.000 He was the president.

01:45:12.000 Biden was VP.

01:45:14.000 Only if he classified the documents can he take them.

01:45:16.000 Except for the George Bush, you know, executive order.

01:45:20.000 That's literally it.

01:45:20.000 That's the George W. Bush executive order.

01:45:22.000 Or if he was in a supervisory role, what's the definition of that?

01:45:26.000 I think what they're basically saying is that if it was classified by someone under him, as he was supervising.

01:45:31.000 I read it as if he classified it so he could appoint someone under him to unclassify it at any point.

01:45:36.000 It's hard.

01:45:36.000 Like, I think it would take a judge to determine that, you know?

01:45:39.000 I don't think there's, there's not a law that says anything about supervisor re-roll, right?

01:45:43.000 So, I accept that executive order, but it doesn't explain what it is.

01:45:47.000 It doesn't mean a supervisor of, if it's your supervisor in the CIA?

01:45:52.000 Like, I don't know.

01:45:53.000 So, that'll be interesting to see.

01:45:55.000 Plank continues, I hear a lot of speculation and false assumptions in this convo.

01:45:59.000 There's plenty of people who have active clearances in here that can explain everything, including myself.

01:46:03.000 Also, intent doesn't matter.

01:46:06.000 Well, you didn't give me what I wanted, Plank, but thanks for responding.

01:46:08.000 Well, that was because that was an old one.

01:46:10.000 Oh, that was an old one.

01:46:10.000 Okay, you're on it.

01:46:11.000 Yeah, we're not going to be able to see anything new from Plank until we get to the bottom.

01:46:15.000 All right, let's see.

01:46:16.000 A lot of people don't like you, just so you know.

01:46:19.000 Yeah, I kind of figure that.

01:46:20.000 Victor Draco says, the Krasenstein Bros' voices sound exactly like what I imagine every Trump Reply Guy's voice sounds like. 0.72

01:46:26.000 Thank you both for all your gaslighting.

01:46:27.000 Do you want to hear a really quick funny story?

01:46:29.000 Is that when I first met my wife, she called me Michael Jackson because of my voice.

01:46:33.000 She told her sister, oh yeah, I'm going out with Michael Jackson again tonight.

01:46:36.000 So I know I have a kind of a weird voice.

01:46:39.000 I can't help it, but hey, I'm here talking to you.

01:46:41.000 I don't think it's that weird.

01:46:42.000 Do you sing too?

01:46:42.000 I mean, it kind of sounds like mine.

01:46:43.000 I don't sing.

01:46:45.000 Yeah, here's what I don't understand.

01:46:46.000 It's like the people who are chatting that they're upset you're here, but who also complain that we can't get more Democrats to come on the show and talk with us.

01:46:55.000 And I'm like, what do you mean?

01:46:56.000 This is awesome.

01:46:56.000 I'm glad you guys are here.

01:46:57.000 I'll come whenever you want.

01:46:59.000 I'll be here whenever you want.

01:47:00.000 We should have you on with some other people and we'll have more conversations.

01:47:02.000 Are you in Florida too?

01:47:03.000 Yeah.

01:47:04.000 We live like four houses from each other.

01:47:06.000 Oh, sweet.

01:47:08.000 Marty Smith Fan Su says the CHIP Act was nothing but a transfer of taxpayer dollars to companies not in the U.S., nor any who are coming to the U.S.

01:47:15.000 DC rewards their cronies.

01:47:18.000 I think several have come to the U.S., though.

01:47:21.000 Or brought, or open manufacturing camps in the U.S.

01:47:24.000 I thought that was the point.

01:47:25.000 It was, we have to get our chip manufacturing away from Taiwan because we're about to lose Taiwan.

01:47:29.000 Right.

01:47:30.000 Am I going to be wrong?

01:47:32.000 All right.

01:47:33.000 Bad Andy says, Tim, I appreciate you bringing on different voices.

01:47:37.000 However, I'm now more concerned for the future of this country than ever.

01:47:40.000 Well, that wasn't the intent.

01:47:43.000 Think of these deep debates with people you don't agree with as, like, pulling open the wound to see how festering it is so that you can clean it out.

01:47:49.000 It's not pretty.

01:47:50.000 It's never pretty.

01:47:50.000 But that's the point.

01:47:51.000 That's why it hasn't been happening.

01:47:52.000 But this is so mild.

01:47:54.000 We could have been so much worse.

01:47:56.000 I mean, there's other people who come on and would, like, stand up and smack the microphone.

01:47:59.000 I could just walk out, you know?

01:48:02.000 We had a civil discussion.

01:48:03.000 We didn't get personal.

01:48:04.000 We didn't call each other names.

01:48:05.000 That's awesome.

01:48:05.000 I think we need more of that to understand where we're all coming from.

01:48:10.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:48:11.000 says, Krasenstein brothers, thank you for coming.

01:48:14.000 You stated Trump lied about the docks.

01:48:15.000 That's a lie.

01:48:16.000 You say Biden apprehended more illegals than Trump.

01:48:19.000 Well, duh, it's porous.

01:48:21.000 You say we need 87,000 more IRS agents.

01:48:23.000 Why?

01:48:24.000 So his attorney lied about the docks representing him.

01:48:28.000 She signed a certification saying all the docks have been turned over and we've looked everywhere.

01:48:33.000 Was she just wrong?

01:48:34.000 We didn't talk about taxes.

01:48:35.000 Well, I mean, she didn't have to be signed.

01:48:37.000 She could say we still haven't looked everywhere.

01:48:39.000 Well, what if she thought they looked everywhere?

01:48:41.000 This is the issue with perjury.

01:48:42.000 It's like, how do you prove someone intentionally lied?

01:48:45.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:48:45.000 I mean... Well, let's talk about the 87,000 agents.

01:48:48.000 You think we need more IRS agents?

01:48:49.000 You know, like, I do think that we need to catch tax cheats, corporations that are not spending... But you don't need 87,000 agents for... I don't know.

01:48:57.000 We do.

01:48:59.000 The IRS goes after poor people more than they do rich people.

01:49:02.000 I think that if we have that many more agents, I think it has to be in a way that they're going to be going after the wealthy, not the middle class.

01:49:10.000 I mean, that's what Biden's intent is.

01:49:12.000 Is he going to ensure that somehow?

01:49:14.000 Who knows?

01:49:14.000 Put it in a bill.

01:49:15.000 What's going to happen?

01:49:16.000 But then a Republican is going to take over and he's going to weaponize those IRS agents against you guys, right?

01:49:21.000 Do you guys want that?

01:49:22.000 Who knows, you know?

01:49:23.000 No, we do not.

01:49:24.000 They do it all the time.

01:49:25.000 They do it all the time.

01:49:25.000 That's how they get away.

01:49:26.000 Republicans are now super angry about empowering the intelligence agencies because they're going after Trump.

01:49:31.000 And they're like, oh no, what have we done?

01:49:32.000 Well, 10 years ago, you guys thought this would be a good idea and Democrats warned you.

01:49:36.000 And then you had like Harry Reid with the nuclear option and the Senate and confirmations.

01:49:41.000 And then McConnell was like, we warned you.

01:49:43.000 And it just, you know, when it comes to the IRS, I don't know how they're going to handle like a Panamanian bank accounts.

01:49:48.000 Those things are off.

01:49:49.000 And cryptocurrency, all that stuff, you know.

01:49:51.000 They're gonna get all the poor people, just like they are already. 1.00

01:49:55.000 Definitely don't agree with that.

01:49:57.000 All right, let's grab some more.

01:49:59.000 Kyle Miller says, this episode proves Michael Malice right.

01:50:02.000 We need a peaceful divorce.

01:50:03.000 We are looking at the same screen and seeing two different movies.

01:50:06.000 Not sure how long this can keep up.

01:50:08.000 And I think that's due to confirmation bias.

01:50:10.000 You see what you want to believe, you believe what you want to see.

01:50:13.000 I think it's partly yes, I agree, but I think, you know, going to the cultural issues, there's a big component.

01:50:20.000 Like you guys were saying, you don't care that much about social issues, but... Well, I do.

01:50:24.000 Did I?

01:50:25.000 I forgot how you said conservatives care too much about them or they focus too heavily on them.

01:50:30.000 I think that they blow them out of proportion sometimes.

01:50:32.000 I think they take a low number of issues and make it out to paint a picture of the entire Democratic Party.

01:50:41.000 And I think that the left does the same to the right as well for other things, so I don't think it's a... I mean, it's how you get an advantage.

01:50:47.000 That's how you convince people not to vote for their party is by fear-mongering.

01:50:53.000 I think both parties do it.

01:50:55.000 But I mean, if you take a look at how Democrats vote, they vote in lockstep.

01:51:00.000 And they brag about it, like, we're unified and we all vote for the exact same things.

01:51:03.000 Blue no matter who? 0.72

01:51:04.000 Yeah, so it's like, if there is an issue that we're concerned with as it pertains to free speech, for instance, it's a social issue, yeah, but it's the fabric of, like, big tech censorship going on for over a decade, and you brought it up and you were smeared and lied about.

01:51:18.000 I had so many big institutions, universities, make up fake stories about me, and then it's like, oh, you're blowing a small thing out of proportion.

01:51:25.000 It's like, well, look where we are 10 years later.

01:51:27.000 The government intervened to subvert an election, But what do you think the solution is?

01:51:33.000 Is the solution for the government to intervene and say, hey, these corporations can't be censoring people?

01:51:39.000 I think it goes both ways.

01:51:40.000 So you have the government saying, corporations who are private companies can't create their own rules.

01:51:47.000 Isn't that going against free speech?

01:51:48.000 Isn't that curtailing their free speech?

01:51:50.000 They still have free speech.

01:51:52.000 It's called negative versus positive.

01:51:54.000 So the government can say, you can't do a thing.

01:51:58.000 Right now what they're doing is they're saying you can do a thing.

01:52:01.000 The government right now says that big tech platforms have the right to censor anything they find objectionable and be completely free of any liability.

01:52:10.000 That is a government protection.

01:52:11.000 There should be a government restriction. 0.61

01:52:13.000 Hey, we can't tell you what you have to say, but you cannot tell people what they can't say.

01:52:18.000 But you still have your censor somewhere, right?

01:52:20.000 Like scams or child pornography.

01:52:23.000 But when is it illegal?

01:52:25.000 Do you wait for a judge to decide on it?

01:52:26.000 Yes, you do.

01:52:27.000 But then you're going to have child pornography. 1.00

01:52:29.000 What if you don't know? 0.94

01:52:30.000 You are.

01:52:30.000 I don't know.

01:52:31.000 I can't agree with that.

01:52:33.000 A citizen can make a citizen's arrest, right?

01:52:35.000 And if you're wrong, you face civil penalties.

01:52:38.000 What would happen if a guy went out with pictures of child abuse and a big sign and stood in the middle of the street?

01:52:45.000 Are you gonna walk up and be like, the owner of the street?

01:52:49.000 There's no owner of the street.

01:52:50.000 The police will have to come and arrest him and take those... Yeah, but social media is so much slower.

01:52:55.000 It's gonna be such a slower process than a cop coming and arresting somebody versus... People have a right to have due process.

01:53:02.000 You cannot just say... It's also not the public square.

01:53:04.000 It's a private company.

01:53:06.000 Well, I think there can be debate over that, but...

01:53:10.000 Laws in the past, courts in the past, have said that shopping malls aren't considered public squares.

01:53:15.000 I don't really see a reason why Twitter would legally be a public square.

01:53:18.000 And what if you wanted to create your own community?

01:53:21.000 Timcast, whatever.

01:53:23.000 Freedomistan.

01:53:24.000 And yeah, there you go.

01:53:26.000 And you don't want to have certain content.

01:53:29.000 Like, should you not be able to have that right?

01:53:31.000 Yes, so there's two things.

01:53:33.000 The size of the platform and the initial terms of the platform.

01:53:36.000 Twitter says we're the free speech, we're the free speech party, all are welcome.

01:53:39.000 When I was talking with Vijay Gadde and Jack Dorsey, they repeatedly said we defend free speech.

01:53:44.000 Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. 0.59

01:53:45.000 If you're going to lie to people to come on your platform and then set ideological parameters for speech, you're lying.

01:53:50.000 If I want to create, you know, skateboardforum.com where the only thing that's allowed is skateboard talk and if you deviate we're banning you, I told you the rules before you got here.

01:53:59.000 Twitter is now saying the rules are you can't say these certain things, but that's where the issue of size comes into play.

01:54:06.000 You've got a massive stadium open to the public that can seat 100,000 people, but the people who are running the front gate have banned one political faction from coming in.

01:54:18.000 And they say, don't worry.

01:54:19.000 There's a high school football field across the street.

01:54:20.000 You can rally there.

01:54:21.000 It's like, well, you have no access.

01:54:23.000 That's legal though, right?

01:54:24.000 They can ban.

01:54:24.000 I'm saying like in a public place.

01:54:26.000 It's analogy, right?

01:54:27.000 If Twitter has become, I'll put it this way.

01:54:30.000 If the president was speaking in a stadium with the doors open to the public, I do not believe a private entity should be able to bar someone for private reasons.

01:54:39.000 There should only be legal reasons to bar them.

01:54:41.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a decent opinion, but I mean, it still comes down to government speech.

01:54:46.000 And like Trump, he blocked us on Twitter.

01:54:49.000 And we were actually part of a lawsuit with the Knight Institute, and he was basically forced by a judge to unblock us.

01:54:56.000 That's right, and if you agree with that precedent, then you would also agree that Twitter can't- But he was a government official, so the government official is blocking my right to speech on his- And what if he had Jack Dorsey block you instead?

01:55:12.000 And you're going to be like, well, it was a private company that... I would say that that would probably be an abridgment of the First Amendment.

01:55:18.000 And that's what they're doing.

01:55:19.000 We know they were doing that.

01:55:20.000 No, so what they're doing is they're saying, hey, Twitter, this is against your term of service.

01:55:25.000 You should remove this.

01:55:27.000 And they interpret their terms as they see fit, right.

01:55:29.000 But that's different than them saying, hey, Twitter, if you don't block this content or ban this person, we're going to shut you down.

01:55:37.000 What do you think would happen if you went to a guy and said, I'm going to leave this suitcase with $10,000 right here on this desk.

01:55:46.000 Would be a shame if my neighbor got whacked. 0.99

01:55:49.000 Have a nice day! 0.65

01:55:51.000 You think they're going to be like, you didn't just order a hit, now they're going to arrest you.

01:55:53.000 No, no, no, I understand the argument.

01:55:55.000 No judge is going to look at what they're doing, the government going to Twitter and saying, here's a list of people who've broken the rules, get rid of them, and then be like, well, that was just actually them moderating for free.

01:56:04.000 So what happens when Congress calls Jack Dorsey to testify?

01:56:07.000 Is that intimidation as well?

01:56:09.000 Well, how is, I mean... Like, calls him to testify, and, you know, let's say McCarthy stands up and says, what you're doing to Democrats isn't right, or to Republicans isn't right, you never ban Democrats, and then he goes and bans, he bans the Democrat.

01:56:22.000 Like, is that, like... There's a difference between, you are acting in a biased manner, and here's a list of names that broke your rules.

01:56:29.000 Yeah, but we're not saying you must delete them.

01:56:33.000 Yeah, or won't someone rid me of this priest?

01:56:36.000 We know what that means.

01:56:37.000 I mean, that's a fair argument, I think, that they're pressured.

01:56:40.000 But at the same time, it's not going to hold up to legal standards.

01:56:45.000 You can't say that this is actually abridging somebody's First Amendment.

01:56:49.000 You can say that it's immoral.

01:56:50.000 You can say that it's not right.

01:56:52.000 I think Twitter screwed up multiple times.

01:56:54.000 I'm pretty sure, under precedent, this has already been determined to be a constitutional violation.

01:57:00.000 I don't know.

01:57:00.000 I don't think it will.

01:57:02.000 And we'll see what happens.

01:57:03.000 Is there a case against a website?

01:57:06.000 Not website, but I'm pretty sure there's something having to do with radio stations.

01:57:09.000 The government came in and said, hey, we personally feel that this goes against your company's policies or whatever.

01:57:15.000 I'd be interested to see that.

01:57:18.000 The government can't use a private entity?

01:57:21.000 Or advocate for the suppression of someone's speech rights or things like that.

01:57:26.000 I mean, they issue subpoenas though, right?

01:57:28.000 Yeah, but what's wrong with that?

01:57:29.000 They're requesting you turn over documents.

01:57:31.000 And a judge has to sign off on it. 0.79

01:57:33.000 Well, not really a judge.

01:57:35.000 It's due process.

01:57:35.000 Well, a search warrant would be a judge signing off, but a subpoena I believe you can get like a clerk or something.

01:57:43.000 There's a difference between that and the government going to someone and saying, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest?

01:57:50.000 That's what they're doing.

01:57:51.000 In fact, when it came to Alex Berenson, it was more egregious than that.

01:57:53.000 They were saying, like, why haven't you banned him yet?

01:57:54.000 And he didn't even break the rules!

01:57:56.000 So that, right there.

01:57:57.000 And Twitter was forced to reinstate him because they were like, yeah, Alex actually didn't break any rules.

01:58:02.000 I'm not really for censorship.

01:58:04.000 I think that Twitter screwed up massively.

01:58:06.000 I wasn't for the New York Post article getting deleted.

01:58:10.000 I think that Twitter screwed up.

01:58:12.000 I think that the FBI, I think that Congress, I think they overstepped.

01:58:18.000 I don't think ultimately there's going to be a judge or a court case that rules that this actually abridged anybody's First Amendment rights.

01:58:26.000 I think it was wrong.

01:58:27.000 I don't think that it was illegal.

01:58:29.000 Uh, Alex Berenson already won.

01:58:31.000 Yeah, but a civil case.

01:58:33.000 Right.

01:58:33.000 Yeah.

01:58:33.000 They're all civil cases.

01:58:34.000 Not, not, not, not breaking the First Amendment, not abridging the First Amendment.

01:58:37.000 That would be a civil case.

01:58:39.000 No, a First Amendment's only, only a... Against the government.

01:58:42.000 Against the government.

01:58:43.000 Yeah, it's a civil lawsuit.

01:58:44.000 It's not a criminal lawsuit.

01:58:45.000 They're civil and criminal.

01:58:46.000 I don't think he won a lawsuit saying that his First Amendment rights were abridged by

01:58:49.000 the government.

01:58:50.000 It was a settlement with like undisclosed terms.

01:58:52.000 But what eventually came out was that the government went to Twitter and said, why haven't

01:58:58.000 you banned this guy?

01:59:00.000 Twitter then banned him.

01:59:01.000 And then he filed a lawsuit saying he broke no rules and they were in breach of contract.

01:59:05.000 But it wasn't his victory in that case was the First Amendment.

01:59:08.000 Wasn't the government admitting and being pointed to fault, right?

01:59:11.000 Yeah.

01:59:12.000 I mean, it's gonna be so hard to get a judge to say that's abridged in the First Amendment.

01:59:15.000 That's going to set that precedent.

01:59:16.000 And I don't think Louisiana and Missouri lawsuits right now are moving in that direction.

01:59:21.000 So it may very well be.

01:59:22.000 I'm interested to see what happens.

01:59:24.000 It will be interesting to follow this.

01:59:28.000 Brett Bullard says, work in semiconductor industry.

01:59:31.000 CHIPS Act is transfer of wealth from state to wealthiest industry in the world.

01:59:35.000 Chosen winners by government in a free enterprise society.

01:59:38.000 Luke, speak up.

01:59:39.000 Why do you like CHIPS Act?

01:59:41.000 I never said I like the Chips Act.

01:59:43.000 Yeah, Luke, why do you like the government so much?

01:59:45.000 How dare you?

01:59:46.000 Spit out those words.

01:59:48.000 Don't say that.

01:59:49.000 I think it's a larger kind of geopolitical move to kind of isolate Taiwan so it doesn't become such an important linchpin when it comes to the bigger kind of tedious trap that's unfolding between China and the United States.

02:00:02.000 The chips and science.

02:00:03.000 But anytime the government gets involved in the economy, I think it's absolutely for the benefit of the super-rich who really control government, and anytime the government's in finance, I say, get the hell out.

02:00:15.000 So, I'm with you.

02:00:18.000 All right.

02:00:18.000 Dylan Ennis says, the U.S.

02:00:20.000 would be better if we were still drilling in the U.S.

02:00:22.000 and Russia wouldn't be in Ukraine because the U.S.

02:00:24.000 would be dominant in the oil market, so it wouldn't be worth the money for Russia.

02:00:28.000 Well, I think Russia's foray into the Ukraine was inevitable after the Soviet Union gave Sevastopol to Ukraine on the breakup, because they neutered Russia's ability to get into the Mediterranean and to prevent them from becoming a global trade power. 0.63

02:00:44.000 And now we're just seeing, like, that's what happens when you partition countries.

02:00:47.000 Same thing happened with Treaty of Versailles.

02:00:48.000 It's why Germany invaded Poland. 0.69

02:00:50.000 You split off part of the country, and then they're like, that's my country. 0.68

02:00:53.000 Lisa, um, I guess, yeah, about an hour ago, Lisa Marie Presley died of cardiac arrest.

02:00:58.000 54 years old.

02:00:59.000 About an hour ago.

02:01:00.000 Sad to hear it.

02:01:00.000 A lot of cardiac arrests, you know, in the news lately.

02:01:04.000 Damn climate change. 1.00

02:01:05.000 Probably climate change, you know. 1.00

02:01:07.000 Temperatures are changing.

02:01:08.000 And what is it called?

02:01:10.000 What was it called?

02:01:11.000 Wet bulb?

02:01:15.000 Wet bulb.

02:01:16.000 Yeah, wet bulbs.

02:01:17.000 Bad for you.

02:01:18.000 You gotta dry them up, guys.

02:01:19.000 All right.

02:01:20.000 StuckinVA says, these two are typical Florida Democrats.

02:01:23.000 I have family in Florida that are MSNBC Democrats and they have no actual real-life exposure to what is happening in other parts of the country.

02:01:30.000 To them, what we see with CRT, ESG, WOTAN, etc. every day in the Northeast and Western

02:01:35.000 states are extreme examples.

02:01:37.000 They are unknowingly influenced by the fact that Florida conservative policy is protecting

02:01:41.000 them from the nonsense going on in other states.

02:01:49.000 I moved to Florida 15 years ago, but I go back.

02:01:53.000 It doesn't surprise me to think that people would be insulated from things like genderqueer, because I probably would never even know about it if I wasn't on this show.

02:02:00.000 People come in and they tell me about this stuff, and I'm like, oh my god, are you serious?

02:02:04.000 All right, here's the last one.

02:02:05.000 Calop Harvey says, peaceful divorce!

02:02:07.000 There is absolutely zero common ground anymore.

02:02:09.000 Time to separate.

02:02:10.000 The problem is they'll simply invade our states like what's happening on the southern border.

02:02:14.000 Yikes, man.

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02:02:22.000 We're gonna have a good fun this Saturday in DC's Freedom Plaza skating around.

02:02:27.000 I'm wondering if like too many people show up, are we even gonna be able to skate as it is?

02:02:31.000 Maybe there'll just be a huge crowd of people all like yelling or something.

02:02:33.000 But, uh, it'll be fun either way.

02:02:35.000 Head over to TimCast.com.

02:02:36.000 We're gonna have that members-only show.

02:02:38.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.

02:02:40.000 You can follow me personally at TimCast Everywhere.

02:02:42.000 You can follow at TimCast News on Twitter.

02:02:45.000 Do it!

02:02:46.000 Uh, Kratzensteins, you guys wanna shout anything out?

02:02:49.000 Just follow our YouTube, Crassing Chaos, just search for it, Crassing Chaos.

02:02:53.000 We're interviewing mostly right-wing people, so.

02:02:55.000 And we had to have Carpe Donctum, our first show, and it's called Dismantling Division, and we just seek to have conversations with people we disagree with, like Tim.

02:03:05.000 Tim, you could come on the show.

02:03:06.000 And it'll be like in six months, you guys will be wearing MAGA hats, and you'll be like.

02:03:10.000 Maybe, maybe we're gonna transform.

02:03:12.000 Hopefully not.

02:03:13.000 I doubt that.

02:03:13.000 Yeah, and I just wanna give a shout out to our co-founders at NFTZ, Dot me, Martin Van Halen, Boss, and Valter Van Halen.

02:03:22.000 Just want to say hi.

02:03:23.000 I know they're watching.

02:03:25.000 Right on.

02:03:25.000 Are you guys on Twitter?

02:03:27.000 We are.

02:03:28.000 At Ed Krasen, E-D-K-R-A-S-E-N, and at Krasenstein.

02:03:32.000 Sweet.

02:03:32.000 Well, thank you guys so much for coming.

02:03:34.000 It was a great conversation.

02:03:35.000 We kept it civil, which I think is awesome.

02:03:37.000 We didn't agree, which is fine.

02:03:39.000 I don't have to enforce my views or will on you, and I think having more of these conversations is more important than ever.

02:03:45.000 I love having some of these conversations myself on youtube.com forward slash we are change.

02:03:50.000 Today I did a video about the 5,000 Gestapo agents coming to Davos, Switzerland, along with the governor of Illinois.

02:03:58.000 Lots of things happening in Davos at the World Economic Forum.

02:04:01.000 Did a full video on that plus a lot more youtube.com forward slash we are change.

02:04:05.000 See you there.

02:04:06.000 Just put it together that you guys are the Krasensteins.

02:04:09.000 Not Steen, but Stein.

02:04:10.000 Either one.

02:04:12.000 Does it literally either one?

02:04:13.000 Say Krasenstein, say Krasenstein. 0.96

02:04:15.000 Either one.

02:04:15.000 I think my mom says one, my dad says the other.

02:04:17.000 Oh, okay.

02:04:18.000 It's a lot easier.

02:04:19.000 Actually, it's Ed Krasenstein and Brian Krasenstein.

02:04:21.000 Exactly.

02:04:21.000 They're not related.

02:04:22.000 Yeah.

02:04:22.000 Turns out.

02:04:23.000 Well, I want to remind people to go to deeso.com if they haven't yet.

02:04:26.000 Deeso, D-E-E-S-O dot com.

02:04:27.000 We're not affiliated with them, we're just building on there and we've been members of it since getting kicked off Twitter.

02:04:33.000 So it's a decentralized social networking, essentially.

02:04:36.000 So thanks for coming, guys.

02:04:37.000 This is really great.

02:04:38.000 Yeah, thanks for having us.

02:04:40.000 I think it's important that we can get together and just talk, even though we disagree on a lot of things.

02:04:44.000 I know we agree to on a lot of things, so thanks.

02:04:47.000 We only talk about stuff we disagree with, though, you know?

02:04:49.000 Oh, for sure.

02:04:50.000 And look, we invite people who are Democrat, liberal, left all the time.

02:04:55.000 Very few will ever come and sit down and have these conversations.

02:04:57.000 So I appreciate you guys coming.

02:04:58.000 Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting the authoritarian anarcho-tyrannists to come on and talk about the World Economic Forum.

02:05:04.000 I'm ready.

02:05:04.000 Klaus Schwab shows up.

02:05:05.000 Schwab and the gang.

02:05:07.000 Let's roll, baby.

02:05:07.000 It would be cool if Klaus Schwab agreed to come on.

02:05:09.000 And then he sits down wearing his weird robe.

02:05:11.000 And he's like, let me just tell you why you're going to lose.

02:05:13.000 That sounds some fun.

02:05:16.000 Yeah, I'm into it.

02:05:18.000 All right.

02:05:18.000 Bye, everyone.

02:05:19.000 Hey guys, I'm Serge.com.

02:05:20.000 I agree, it's really nice to have a conversation where it's civil, we're able to discuss things, we're not here trying to accuse each other of things, call each other names, get muckracking and everything.

02:05:29.000 It just doesn't go anywhere.

02:05:30.000 It's so annoying and regressive, so I appreciate you guys coming.

02:05:34.000 Thank you very much.

02:05:34.000 I see all these conversations happen in front of me, so really nice change.

02:05:38.000 Thanks guys.

02:05:39.000 Alright everybody, we'll see you all over at TimCast.com.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 13, 2023

Timcast IRL - Special Counsel Appointed To Investigate Biden For Classified Docs w-The Krassensteins

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