Join us as we hear from Stephen Crowder and Luke Rutkowski as they discuss the fallout from the Daily Wire's response to Candace Owens' Stop Big Con announcement, and how it affects the future of the alternative media landscape.
00:00:46.000And I think the questions being asked right now could determine the shape of independent, alternative, anti-establishment, and corporate media in general moving forward.
00:00:55.000Is it going to more take the shape of the traditional Hollywood system, but with better views?
00:01:01.000Or is it going to be a new system that makes sure the individuals are empowered and can maintain themselves through the issues of censorship and run their own companies after any contracts change?
00:01:09.000There's a lot of questions here more than just that.
00:01:12.000And so joining us tonight to talk about all of this is, of course, We've got Steven Crowder.
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00:03:14.000Hey guys, today I'm wearing my Make America Florida shirt, which you can get on TheBestPoliticalShirts.com because I'm moving to Florida tomorrow.
00:03:23.000Sorry guys, but the Daily Wire gave me a deal I couldn't refuse.
00:04:02.000Before we do, we should turn Steven's mic up a little bit.
00:04:04.000Okay, I was going to say, because you're coming in a little bit hot in my ears when you were saying OG, which I'm really happy to hear, but it was loud.
00:04:10.000So do you want to maybe bring Steven's headset down a little and his mic up a little?
00:04:46.000I was only, verbally, we would hang out, me and Ben Donovan and Dan Zapinski up in a hotel room talking about creating a union for web actors.
00:04:54.000And it's evolved into now, it never really happened, and now I think there's a technical solution and we don't need to make paperwork.
00:05:02.000I don't like trusting people with paperwork anyway, personally.
00:05:04.000Yeah, my problem isn't so much with paper itself.
00:05:14.000No, I remember I was with Maker, and then it kind of morphed into something where, you know, the whole idea, right, was they were going to help protect you, get better advertising rates, and then, you know, I said some things like, hey, you know, we just, we can't be repping you anymore.
00:05:24.000They turned into Studio something, I think they got purchased by Disney.
00:07:02.000I want to make sure that my bias is clear.
00:07:04.000It's that I for one have taken issue with the establishment media, the traditional media systems, how they operate with contracts and so trying to build something different.
00:07:14.000I see what Crowder announced and what he's talking about and I ideologically agree.
00:07:20.000So this conversation could change the shape of how media moves forward as the corporate media system is dying.
00:07:28.000Firing people, laying people off, and an independent ecosystem is emerging with these networks, which form is it going to take?
00:07:35.000It could go completely corporate, it could go completely independent, it could be a mix of both, but this is a conversation that is extremely important moving forward, so we're hanging out with Steven Crowder and Gerald, of course, to talk about all this.
00:07:47.000I don't really take care of the finances as much.
00:07:53.000I want to make sure that everyone here knows, like, I know that you guys have made very clear that you're monetized on YouTube because you believe that you can fight against big tech by sort of operating, to some degree, within the rules, but you've been very transparent about it.
00:08:05.000And so I don't want you to think that that is at all the same as what I have a problem with.
00:08:09.000And I mean, we can go back to a few things.
00:08:12.000Look, it really comes down to what's right.
00:08:14.000It really comes down to what the truth is.
00:08:15.000And this is something that's been a long time coming.
00:08:17.000Gerald actually came on as CEO because we're being batted around so long.
00:08:20.000This is years and years in the making.
00:08:34.000And you see that here as a story took place.
00:08:38.000Kind of a started right where We released this video.
00:08:41.000We didn't, and it was just by design, didn't name names because there could be a litany of contracts that are similar to this.
00:08:46.000A lot of them are often verbal offers.
00:08:48.000We mentioned it could have been Fox News, probably went anew, and they're the corporate monolith.
00:08:52.000There's about, you know, four or five, I would say we have four or five offers, and then there are other investors who come into the space who just want to dump in a whole bunch of money.
00:09:15.000Penalizing conservatives, and I believe this to my absolute core, penalizing conservatives on behalf of big tech while taking money from people who are paying you, investing in you, to fight big tech.
00:09:28.000That is what Mug Club is investing in.
00:09:30.000That's what subscribers are investing in.
00:09:32.000While simultaneously penalizing conservatives is fundamentally wrong.
00:09:34.000I had that conversation and said, look, just please give me your word you're not going to be doing this with other people who, as you well know, when you start in this industry, don't know better.
00:09:42.000Immediately after that, the conversation was, Crowder is making a big deal as a dick about money.
00:10:03.000I say this is something that I've watched, experienced for years, tried to give every possible out to do the right thing, and have tried to do the right thing in the way that we run our own business.
00:10:13.000Saw the gaslighting, the bully tactics that take place behind the scenes of other creators, and knew it wouldn't be myself.
00:10:19.000So now the narrative shifts to, how could you record a phone call, betray a friend?
00:11:45.000Then another 20%, I don't remember the numbers, for Facebook, for Spotify, but there's also another penalty if your sponsors get boycotted.
00:11:50.000There's also another penalty if you don't agree to 10%, if you deny 10% of the sponsors, which is probably like you, we probably accept one out of five sponsors.
00:11:58.000But let me just kinda go through this timeline really quickly.
00:12:01.000For people who are trying to understand what's going on, it's basically the contract you received, specifically outlined- Term sheet.
00:12:51.000So I don't think it gives you an excuse to go and talk the way like every girl does who gets their husband into a fight at a bar, but I understand why she was upset.
00:13:01.000If you had the ability, if someone was going out saying, hey, you're a difficult person who only cares about the money, and that you're a bitch, and you had the opportunity to clear it in because it was verifiably untrue, which now no one is arguing, would you do it?
00:13:15.000How else would people switch from, it was about a $50 million salary, to, oh, recording a phone call?
00:13:22.000Do we allow it when James O'Keefe does it?
00:13:23.000Is it only when corruption is on the side of the left?
00:14:14.000One was him quoting the CDC, and by the way, none of this will get you in trouble, because you can say this now, him quoting the CDC, bringing up the CDC numbers on flu deaths for children versus COVID, and we were saying this is interesting science, right, that COVID kills more senior citizens, but for some reason is significantly less lethal to young people, to infants.
00:14:33.000That science is accepted now, so you won't get a strike, but that was one of the strikes.
00:14:35.000The other was when we had Carrie Lake on in a gubernatorial election.
00:14:38.000Four, how many have taken place from Daily Wire?
00:14:45.000I'm not saying that it's a badge of honor to be suspended.
00:14:48.000If they came out and said, look, look, we demand, as Jeremy said in his 55 minute video, we demand that all of our creators follow these rules that YouTube and Facebook set through punitive practices in mandating of our creators to do so And Crowder's a little bit more of a rebel.
00:15:04.000And that's just, that's not the same kind of, that's not a problem.
00:15:07.000The problem is saying that we all follow the same rules because here's, so that's all publicly verifiable.
00:15:12.000Now I could tell you, I could tell you guys that behind the scenes, had many conversations with senior YouTube executives who say, you know, we might be able to get you re-monetized if you kind of play ball like.
00:15:23.000He's got daily wire and insert other people here.
00:15:25.000I could tell you that, but would you believe me?
00:16:36.000If you say, hey, we're all trying to fight this system that exists, but you're not.
00:16:40.000You're mandating that you exist within the system.
00:16:43.000Only one person is saying, hey, you know what?
00:16:45.000If you want to be monetized and you don't, that's fine.
00:16:47.000And one is saying, you have to fit into this box.
00:16:50.000Very important context to this is, obviously after you put out the first video, I've talked to a bunch of my friends and they said, look, you know, Daily Wire's trying to run a business.
00:16:59.000If he gets banned off YouTube, how are they going to sell ads?
00:17:02.000How are they going to do the sponsorships?
00:17:20.000The contract you were offered says Facebook, Apple, I said YouTube, Apple, Facebook, Spotify, but it didn't mention any of your views from any other platforms.
00:17:32.000Obviously, it's not the same as Apple, but it's interesting to me that for a lot of people, like Dan Bongino, for instance, had more subscribers on Rumble than YouTube.
00:17:40.000It's interesting, then, that their attitude is, if you're banned from YouTube, it's a 20% fee reduction, which you mentioned includes your staff salary.
00:18:20.000So what did we do to get monetized, basically?
00:18:22.000I want to make sure this point is made clear for everybody.
00:18:25.000This is a very important part of the argument when I heard it.
00:18:30.000If the point is you can't sell ads or build an audience because YouTube banned you and that's it, but you're getting 85% or more views on Rumble, the question is why no penalty for getting banned from Rumble?
00:18:42.000Why is Rumble not a consideration in the contract at all?
00:18:44.000And why don't they simply say comparable views instead of the platform?
00:18:48.000Like, if for every million views per day you lose, we dock you... I can answer that question exactly.
00:18:53.000It's fundamental to the business model.
00:19:05.000Sure, I've been on YouTube for a long time, since 2006, but it doesn't mean that they don't change, right?
00:19:10.000And the issue is I think it's a great thing to use these platforms.
00:19:13.000There's a huge difference, by the way, you know, between being monetized And being on the platform.
00:19:18.000But ultimately, if we believe what we say, we have to be trying to get to the point where we know that fast forward five years, you can't speak the truth on YouTube, certainly not if you want to be monetized.
00:19:27.000But there's this jockeying for position with people who they see as competition and the issue here that I've always made clear is the locking in of these punitive contracts that mandate and enforce big tech policies and guidelines as a matter of business.
00:20:06.000So pay-to-play means that you can buy views, right?
00:20:08.000You can pay-to-play, you can run your video as a pre-roll ad, and people see that number, but really a lot of them are 14-second views, 8-second views, but it still clicks that counter.
00:20:17.000The closest apples-to-apples comparison that you could do right now is you could go out and take like, let's say, not this controversy because there's cross-pollination, but Ben Shapiro's a huge show.
00:23:03.000And let's say we come back two, three months.
00:23:06.000And we come back, and all of a sudden, I don't talk about vaccines in the way that I used to.
00:23:10.000All of a sudden, I don't talk about election integrity like I used to.
00:23:12.000All of a sudden, I don't host Carrie Lake in the same way that I used to or host her at all.
00:23:16.000And all of a sudden, all the parodies, the sketches, you know, the sweeping epic, like a parody of Saving Private Ryan or There Will Be Blood or Schindler's List, whatever it is, you don't see any—change my mind—you don't see any of those anymore, but you see four or five live reads.
00:23:50.000I think the people who have watched my content consistently know about this.
00:23:55.000It was called, some refer to it as ad rights sales, ad rights buying.
00:24:01.000Back in the early 2010s, these up-and-coming digital media outlets would sell the rights, what they would do is they would, I'm sorry, they would buy the rights to views.
00:24:12.000So let's say you're a company called like, um, uh, bad behavior.com.
00:24:18.000You know, some word that represents... Why'd you pick one that is clearly going to direct people to hardcore pornography?
00:24:25.000All right, let's just say... Goodbehavior.com Skittles and rainbows website, okay?
00:26:08.000And by the way, the way you know this is true is right now I have said I don't want to do this.
00:26:13.000Again, I've been thinking about this for a long time, trying to work behind the scenes, trying to work within the system, until I realized there's just no interest in doing it that way.
00:26:21.000And then you say, okay, is our move—this is why we lose.
00:26:48.000I gotta tell you, man, I make this point all the time where I just say, for all the people who are claiming I'm a grifter or I only want money and that I don't really believe the things I'm fighting for, I'm like, it would be so much easier to sell everything, shut it all down and just buy some properties, rent them out and not have to worry about any of this.
00:28:10.000The response then from detractors and most people was, holy crap!
00:28:15.000And they're imagining Steven Crowder in a big private bank vault diving into a bunch of gold coins.
00:28:22.000When in reality, the $50 million included the entire budget for your whole staff, your whole production facility, every production you would have done.
00:28:29.000Meaning, you've got to pay, how many employees do you have?
00:29:39.000Are they dumb and don't know that $12.5 million a year for an entire production house is what we're actually looking at?
00:29:45.000Or are they lying when they say it's basketball money and $50 million?
00:29:49.000I think Candace Owens at one point got up to like $140 million or something.
00:29:52.000So you said you wanted $40 million a year or $140 million?
00:29:55.000And the only reason people know that's not true, and you've seen the transcript, have you ever seen me once say, hey, it's about more money?
00:30:01.000There was never an offer sent after I said, look, it's a non-starter.
00:30:07.000if you don't change these terms, and please tell me that you're not doing this with other people.
00:30:10.000There was never anything after that, whereas, of course, the non-starter is, I can't do five live reads because we do commercials.
00:30:17.000I just want to ask one specific question, because a lot of people are bringing this up, and they're accusing you guys of only exposing them after they turned down your counter offer.
00:30:26.000Is that true, or can you add more information to that?
00:30:29.000Yeah, I don't care what the contract says dollar-wise.
00:30:31.000If these terms are in there, that's bad and you need to start again.
00:30:33.000There was never any counter offer from us.
00:30:36.000What Stephen said was, basically, look guys, these are the terms that we have a problem with.
00:30:40.000And if this, I don't care what the contract says dollar wise.
00:30:43.000If these terms are in there, that's bad, and you need to start again.
00:30:48.000So there was no counter offer, because I'm seeing a lot of you guys saying.
00:30:51.000There was the agent, I think my agent, the first, they sent this term sheet.
00:30:54.000The agent said, well, if you're talking about 100% ownership, by the way, in perpetuity, forever, meaning, and it's a six-year contract, with no option to negotiate.
00:31:01.000They have an option to extend for two years.
00:31:02.000Six years, locked in at that rate, and again, right, how do you penalize someone for money that they don't make?
00:31:09.000They're not going to lose money on you being demonetized.
00:31:11.000Now, I get that I'm a special situation, but they said this is demanded of everybody.
00:31:14.000The big con issue is something that I've been running up against and everyone in this industry knows for many, many years.
00:31:22.000They just were arrogant enough to out themselves and to put it in writing and to say, we know how to run this business.
00:31:30.000You don't know what you're talking about.
00:31:32.000And of course, you know, after that, another last straw was, you know, then going and trying to take Take our social media director, and I only showed you that email because he's willing for me to show you.
00:31:42.000Look, we have our people poached all the time.
00:31:44.000When you have your ideas stolen and they put more money behind it, not just mine, when you build someone up and someone else comes in and says, hey, we'll offer you more money, they use them for six months and burn them out, I'm sure that's an accident.
00:31:54.000I'm sure the people at the top of Daily Wire didn't know when they reached out to someone who was not looking for a job, who loudly and proudly advertises himself as social media director for Latter Earth Crowder.
00:32:03.000But I could tell you that on that phone call, they said, we have an entire social media department, right?
00:32:08.000I said, I have one guy, Gary, and he's awesome.
00:32:17.000I want to dedicate some more time to, starting from the beginning of the context of that story, but I wanted to address something before Luke jumped in.
00:32:41.000The recording of the phone call and stuff.
00:32:43.000Thinking about the contract, a four-year contract with an option to renew for two, locking you in at that rate, 12.5, including the entirety of your staff, And it's just business, and I'm kind of like, you know, I hear that.
00:32:55.000It's not something friends offer their friends.
00:34:31.000This is, again, why I care about the subject matter so much.
00:34:35.000Running this business and making lots of money, I often say, for a guy like me, growing up in Chicago and being close to the bottom of the totem pole, as an American, which is great for the rest of the world.
00:35:21.000If you look back at the track record in 2009, it was because I wanted to see the system burn, meaning as far as the system that kept conservatives in line.
00:35:30.000And I mean the liberal system, but then when you realize that it's on your own side.
00:35:47.000The option of say no, And say, look, this is wrong and speak out is significantly harder than any of the other paths.
00:35:53.000The two things I want to say is my point on the money was I view you in a similar way that you're ideologically driven.
00:36:01.000That if you have the resources to do what you want to do and you're living comfortably and taking care of your family, beyond that, I don't see you as the kind of guy who's like, I don't have an infinity pool and three Ferraris in my garage.
00:36:11.000So when they say Crowder is just... What's the infinity pool?
00:36:21.000But the question is, if you had the choice between an infinity pool and a young, you know, a talented personality who was going to help change the shape of this country for the better, I think you're going to choose to change the shape of this country for better.
00:38:43.000I love the Benelli stuff because I got one.
00:38:45.000I wanted to make, I got to make a point about, you said in 2009, you, you were like, you realize that the liberal system is holding you back or something to the effect.
00:38:53.000And then you eventually realize it's on your side as well.
00:39:12.000You're doing the best that you can, right?
00:39:13.000But there's only so much that you can do.
00:39:14.000The difference is right now, at this point in inflection point history, as it relates to right-wing conservative media, I can do something.
00:39:22.000I can't change the intelligence agencies.
00:39:24.000But you know what, when I ask Kerry Lake on the show, I say, would you disband the FBI?
00:39:36.000I was a guy telling jokes in clubs, having beer bottles thrown at me when I was 17 years old, voicing, you know, a black bear who was the best friend of an aardvark when I was 12, which is clearly derived from hallucinogenic drugs.
00:40:11.000And I wanted to- Was the pay worth it?
00:40:15.000I still remember we were called crazy truthers for calling this out as rationally as we did, saying, hey, the national security state is going to be turned around against you, and it has.
00:40:28.000At that time, specifically, we had a discourse that was kind of free and open.
00:41:25.000I want to get into the problem-solving, like what would you do if you were the Daily Wire?
00:41:29.000Okay, so the only thing, and this is the thing, this is all done right now.
00:41:32.000I'm not saying that I have all the answers, but the first answer, and I've said we won't talk about this again, if someone takes a pledge alongside me, anyone in Big Con, just the only thing that I ask is that you do not punish conservative content creators on behalf of big tech.
00:46:13.000I think DailyWire's got some creative, like, a lot of opportunity on their website, because, like, if all your back catalog was on DailyWire, at no cost to anybody, and they could go into DailyWire, log in, and then I spend 99 cents on a Crowder video, and then that money gets split between you guys.
00:46:26.000Like, there's a lot of technical possibilities.
00:46:28.000Well, they're already doing over 300,000 MugClip subscribers day one, right?
00:46:32.000Now, the issue here is, let's take me out of it.
00:46:36.000Let's say you're starting your own thing, right?
00:46:37.000You're trying to come up in this movement and the terms are being set by people on your side behind the scenes where this is the ball that you have to play.
00:46:48.000It's not the right fit, which I thought if I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, it won't fall on deaf ears when I say, Hey, it's about the, it's about the next kid.
00:49:48.000I don't want to give up too much of the details of the conversation we had, but I basically said, let's just say I made a big ask of the biggest asks.
00:49:56.000That if what you're saying has to be this way, then I have a very, very big ask.
00:50:02.000And they were like, yeah, that's expensive, I don't know if we can do that.
00:50:04.000And I was like, look, I don't understand the reference.
00:51:44.000So I wanted to address what you were just saying about these companies playing by the rules.
00:51:48.000That's completely my experience with a lot of these different companies, is that big tech is clearly infiltrated by... I mean, look, Alan Bakari, I think it was, got his hands on that Google video where they were crying that Trump won.
00:52:20.000That's how I met my half-Asian lawyer, Bill Richman.
00:52:22.000He read the article and he was like, yeah, it's like the Chris Kyle Foundation, Ted Cruz for president, and you, you need some representation.
00:52:30.000They act like it was a smear against me that I was pushing conspiracy theories when I was literally reading the left news sources.
00:52:41.000They set these terms, these big tech companies, and then what happens is the leftist organizations clearly say the stupidest and craziest things.
00:52:52.000It was, I think, Jack Posobiec who asked it, or he tweeted this out, when asked, did Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow spread COVID misinformation?
00:53:01.000And it was like, well, they, Did, literally, we know for a fact they did.
00:53:06.000And then it goes on and says, well, while they acknowledge some mistakes, no, no, no, the whole machine is skewed in that direction.
00:53:13.000What happens then is, big tech company, I shouldn't say big tech, I'm sorry, many of these big conservative outlets, I shouldn't even say necessarily conservative outlets, but many of these companies are just like, we're gonna set the parameters right here because We're going to be within the box.
00:53:28.000We're going to be rebels within the box.
00:53:29.000Is this the problem, and I'm finding why I think Candace was pissed too, is that when we refer to companies doing thing, and what happens is, the company is a hologram.
00:53:38.000It doesn't have any availability or any ability to do anything.
00:53:42.000So when you're negotiating, for instance, it comes out, Steve and Kraut are negotiating with the Daily Wire, quote.
00:53:47.000And that brings all these other Daily Wire employees into it.
00:53:49.000They were getting messages, Candace was, Michael knows, on their chats, and they're like, now I'm involved, because it was between you and Jeremy Boring.
00:54:14.000And also that leaves out unnecessary collateral damage.
00:54:17.000Well, like I was saying, it's like they send out on YouTube, you know, they send out representatives of conservatives and they're patsies for the higher ups.
00:54:23.000But when you get, coming back to you time and time again, you know, if you did what Company X, if you did what Company X, meaning big conservative companies who have meetings with them, if you did that, we might be able to get you remonetized or at least not suspended.
00:54:34.000And that's what, I mean, this is the thing.
00:54:36.000Is there any examples you could give us about key issues specifically about that?
00:54:40.000Yeah, anything relating, you know, back in the day on trans issues.
00:54:44.000You know, for example, we had a character, like we did for a long time, Tranny Bane was a character that we did.
00:54:48.000It was the Bane Dark Knight series, and the whole idea was an uprising, you know, Arkham Asylum against YouTube.
00:55:40.000I was like, I'm thinking someone in Silicon Valley is opening it, like, FIRE!
00:55:45.000And so we stopped selling, but that's something that's completely off the platform.
00:55:48.000But the point is, right, you need to be, there needs to be someone standing up to these giant organizations.
00:55:53.000And when you say, like Jeremy said in his video, well, you know, we only met with Susan Wojcicki once and we were really going in and defending Susan.
00:56:12.000The inconsistencies are the issue here, and that's a tactic of the left.
00:56:15.000Here's I fully expect them to come out and say, this is a lie, this is a lie, switch the narrative from the phone call, switch the narrative from the money, now that that's gone, probably a hit list like the Vox Adpocalypse, probably get personal, this is why people don't speak out, this is why good people don't run for office, and we shouldn't be doing that on the right.
00:56:32.000I want to pull up this story right here.
00:56:37.000I want to look at this email that you've shown me.
00:56:40.000The Daily Wire tried poaching one of your employees and what would make this significant is if this happened after your negotiations.
00:56:51.000Okay, so after you were talking with the Daily Wire about potentially doing a deal, they reach out to your employees, and I'm looking at the email right here saying that they came across the social media manager, hey, they got a great opportunity, join the new counterculture, it says.
00:57:08.000They emailed your staff and said, come work for us instead.
00:57:11.000That doesn't sound like something a friend would do.
00:57:13.000And the only reason I'm showing you that is I'm not going to be showing receipts from third parties who are blameless victims.
00:57:22.000He came right to me and said, hey, look, this came up.
00:57:23.000I said, hey, they'll probably offer you more money.
00:57:26.000And I'll write you a letter of recommendation.
00:57:28.000He said, no, I know you guys want to be monetized.
00:57:31.000And the issue that that took place in the conversation might even be in the one that you saw where I said, like, they're like, well, you know, we do have a social media department.
00:59:04.000Then after that, we had those conversations about, like, these are the sticking points, right?
00:59:09.000And please, like, we also got to figure out a better way to do this because it stifles the movement.
00:59:15.000After that, it was, yeah, we're not going to be able to come to any kind of terms.
00:59:18.000And that was, for sure, after that conversation, I made one final plea.
00:59:23.000One final plea and that called, like, just take me off the table.
00:59:26.000Promise me you won't do it to other people.
00:59:28.000And the question is, Look, was your understanding when you invest money, when you subscribe, was your understanding that all conservative talent out there, nearly all,
00:59:38.000are penalized if they're demonetized? Was that your understanding?
00:59:41.000Was that your understanding that then they are penalized if they are suspended,
00:59:43.000then they are penalized if they don't take as many life?
00:59:46.000Was that your understanding when you were investing in people going out there and
00:59:49.000fighting for you? Because I know the feedback that I get at these live shows with thousands
00:59:53.000of people at every event, and it's not a hard-earned dollar that I take lightly.
00:59:57.000People feel powerless. They say, there's only so much I can do. At least that guy can go out
01:00:03.000And I'd like it to be these guys and girls, not a guy.
01:00:06.000And for context, too, it's very important.
01:00:07.000These fees pertain to strikes and bannings on the major big tech platforms, irrespective of your viewership on the alternatives we're all trying to help.
01:01:03.000And then sometime later, they try... You know, they said, if that's the issue, this is our business model and you don't know business.
01:01:10.000But then they try and poach one of your employees.
01:01:12.000One of your... And that could be an accident, but it's not the first time.
01:01:16.000You mentioned him by name, and employee poaching is considered vulture-ish as it is, but it is business.
01:01:24.000And by the way, there's a huge difference between employees reaching out to you in a company and you fielding it, which happens, versus going to someone who is clearly not available, who was mentioned by name.
01:01:54.000So those first few years, did you have those disconnects where people are like, are you not, and you're like, I don't understand, whatever.
01:02:30.000This is not an issue of, they had a polite conversation with you and said, we're sorry, we disagree, and then you devised a plan to come after them.
01:02:50.000I get a little bit pissed off with this because that means that you didn't pay any attention at all to Mug Club Forever.
01:02:55.000That was us getting in touch with our subscribers and making sure that whatever home we went to, on our own, with somebody else, we were going to have access to the people that paid for our content.
01:03:05.000This was not a plan that was hatched to make sure that we could ride off into freedom and do whatever the hell we wanted with this really great email list.
01:03:17.000It sounds like you guys are right on the precipice of creating your own network or your own website where people pay you $10 a month and just get access to that.
01:03:24.000And I really don't want to have to do that.
01:03:25.000Wouldn't it be great if you could link arms with the self-professed, most powerful people on our side who are supposedly fighting for us, but the problem is when they say, we have no interest in doing that, you go, wait, hold on a second, hold on a second, hold on a second.
01:04:14.000There are a lot of different terms that you would have to negotiate, and this has been the sticking point from the very beginning, and it kind of goes back to something that you said about Candice getting these questions.
01:04:35.000But if you're going to start there and we say, hey, that's not...
01:04:38.000That's not something that should be in this movement.
01:04:39.000And you're like, well, we're not coming back to the table.
01:04:41.000By the way, after the Ryman, we were expecting them to come back and have changed that and made an offer that we could then start negotiating from.
01:05:47.000I just need to understand this because one of the arguments that was put forth is, well, this is just a standard starting point for everybody.
01:05:58.000Everybody else, their production comes out of you.
01:06:01.000You knew Stephen well enough to know that he had his own production team and therefore the costs would be borne by him, but everything else was just standard and our apologies for leaving it in there.
01:06:09.000Because that was one of the claims that was made.
01:06:11.000This is just the standard contract negotiating start point of term sheet that we always give to everybody.
01:06:15.000It's like, yeah, but you knew Stephen well enough to know he did all of his production, but then you're saying the rest of that was just standard.
01:06:40.000And by the way, for people out there, and I know that there are anti-Semitic people, I've not said there's none of this controlled opposition.
01:06:47.000I 100% believe that Ben believes what he says, even if we disagree.
01:07:07.000Now, if someone did that with you and said, Tim Pool is a money-grubbing prick, and we offered him basketball money, and someone came out and called you a little bitch, right?
01:07:16.000And that literally happened, and you had the ability to say, and you'd seen this happen to other people behind the scenes for years, and you said, that's not going to be me.
01:07:23.000You had the ability to prove that it was verifiably false, which no one is arguing.
01:08:22.000I didn't Granted, the Daily Wire outed themselves and they said it was because people assumed it was them.
01:08:29.000After I had a conversation, my determination, a conversation with the Daily Wire, my determination was, they do business in a way that I don't agree with, but I like that they're doing things that have a cultural impact and a positive.
01:08:39.000Thus, I'm gonna build my thing the way I think it's supposed to be, let them make the things they make with the people who agree with being a part of that, and hopefully, even if they're not 100% in the right direction, if it's 1% producing cultural net positive, I'll just have to be the force that pushes it.
01:09:05.000100% of my company, we've entered into licensing agreements where people have temporary ability to monetize the subscribers and the content they're in, right?
01:09:39.000There are also issues because people have so many different places where they have to pay right now and they kind of want to get one portal.
01:09:43.000Hopefully there's a way to figure that out.
01:09:45.000As far as a contract, if someone is coming in this entire production house, I've been having contracts negotiated, you know, you said you were in SAG 2000.
01:09:52.000So I was in since I was 12 years old and had agents negotiating contracts and term sheets.
01:10:11.000And the minimum guarantee is no matter if five people show up, if it's your dad and your Aunt Tilly, we pay you this, and there's a percentage of the gate.
01:10:18.000And if you want more, if you're willing to bet on yourself, you say lower that guarantee And take a higher portion of the gate.
01:10:25.000I go in and say, don't give me a guarantee, and I'll just take the gate.
01:10:28.000And they sell their drinks, right, they end up making more money, we're giving them less risk.
01:10:32.000What you do is, Luke, to answer your question, you can present it if it's a production company where you want them to incur all of the risk, all of the costs, okay, you do a rev split where there's upside for both sides.
01:10:42.000Or, some people want security, right, we have 1099s who work at the company, we have employees.
01:10:47.000Some people want security, and so they become salaried, and they get health insurance, they get a 401k, you can provide two options You can do a rev split or you can do an employee agreement for people who want to do that.
01:10:56.000In this case, they want to do employee type constraints.
01:10:59.000And again, none of this matters as far as I can't be clear enough.
01:12:09.000Think of the balls it takes where I think it was the government of France that said you have to start changing content and they said, right?
01:12:14.000When you're a public company and you tell an entire government, fine.
01:12:19.000That's the kind of balls that people are explaining.
01:12:21.000And these people, and by the way, the guy who runs Rumble is a Canadian, the CEO.
01:12:25.000He's not even, I don't think he's super conservative.
01:12:30.000Because he's been under the, I would say, tyranny now when you see someone like Trudeau, just because he does blackface and he can't throw a jab doesn't mean he's not a tyrant, right?
01:12:42.000They tell France to go fornicate themselves with a wire brush.
01:12:45.000But the people who take money from hard-earned conservative Americans who are wondering how they can fight back, how they can have a voice, don't see it.
01:12:54.000Do they not see it, or is it the business model, right?
01:12:57.000Did you feel like your buddy, and what I mean your buddy, like you and Jeremy are friends-ish, or friends or whatever, but that he low-balled you, he knows your value and he low-balled you, and you're like, dude, if you're gonna do that to me, I'm taking, I'm going scorched earth.
01:13:07.000I'll do everything legal in my- No, no, it wasn't the low-ball.
01:13:10.000It was the, hey, look, prompt, look, let's just sit down and talk about how you can do this without mandating through punitive practices against, not some, according to him and his video.
01:13:21.000All conservative content creators, let's find a different way because there's no future in this.
01:13:26.000There's a lot there that's permissible, right?
01:13:34.000But what's really hard to deal with is there was a period, like I talked about with Gerald Note, where I was super depressed.
01:13:42.000It felt kind of hopeless, because this has been a long time in the making, and you knock on one door and you have people you think are on your side.
01:13:50.000You know, it's, no, wait, this is how it works.
01:13:52.000And then you, because you don't see behind, you know, the curtain, you hear that we're fighting back against big tech, and you see this offer and you go, oh, there's no future here.
01:14:04.000And the response to, this is not right, has always been money, money, money, money.
01:14:28.000I don't know about the... and I know that when I say this, by the way, they're going to send... there are going to be four or five hatchet men coming from the daily... I understand that, by the way.
01:14:34.000Have you seen anyone else in these videos?
01:14:36.000This is the first time Gerald's been here because I'm like, look, you handle the finances more than I do.
01:15:24.000You talked in the beginning, you were saying something about it's hard for everyone to just pay all across the board randomly to different people.
01:15:32.000Like if you want to support a creator, you're on one website, you're on another website.
01:16:08.000It is industry standard in the conservative sphere.
01:16:10.000You don't get to know how many subscribers you have, you don't get to take them with you, which only hurts people who are paying if you end up leaving, you know, if you end up not being with the network.
01:16:17.000That's industry standard, not daily wire.
01:16:19.000Again, Stop Big Con was not just about daily wire.
01:16:22.000You don't even know, you don't even get to reach them.
01:16:27.000And you mentioned something before the show, and I'm a little ignorant as to what it is, forgive me.
01:16:31.000You said it's like this decentralized ability for people to, sort of an anti-patreon, Yeah, it is just basically doing what Patreon does, but without a Patreon middleman.
01:16:39.000So it'd be a piece of software packet that you download, install on your computer, and then you can start uploading videos through the software packet to Rumble as a server, or YouTube as a server, unlisted the videos.
01:16:49.000And then people would go to your website where you have a front-end hosted with this packet, and they can subscribe, ten bucks a month.
01:16:55.000Then they can see on your website the unlisted videos from the other sites.
01:17:27.000We were talking about this a long time ago, make the software, you get your own server space, your cost, you get your own domain, your cost, you install that software for free, open source, and boom, instantly your website is a clone of a subscription service website with an easy-to-use backend for you that networks with anyone else who uses it.
01:17:47.000You can also blacklist certain sites from your site if you're like, I don't want my site to recommend this, you know.
01:17:57.000So, or it's just you let the algorithm recommend whatever they recommend, like similar words and phrases.
01:18:03.000So what this does is if I go to your website and you want to be included in the network, people will see, and this could be bad for business, some people might want to do it, they will see like recommended Timcast IRL episode with Steven Crowder and be like, oh, I'd like to watch that show too.
01:18:20.000One of the powerful things about YouTube is that it recommends shows after shows.
01:18:24.000Every single time I watch one of my shows, it's Seth Meyers.
01:19:15.000But if there would be a way for, kind of like you were talking about with Maker, for there to be an alliance where maybe there's some kind of a price break or discount if you get to subscribe to these other creators, right?
01:19:24.000So that you don't have to do $6 on a Patreon here or $5 on Locals here.
01:19:29.000And by the way, nothing wrong with it.
01:19:30.000I'm just saying people feel like there's this payment fatigue, this subscription fatigue.
01:19:34.000If we want to fight the left, right, think about just what they call the stream with Batista, he's in this like canoe, talking about like Disney, ESPN, and what is it, Disney, and Hulu, right?
01:19:46.000And I think this is what was so disheartening is, was really hoping that we could do that in the conservative movement where people can kind of get access to a portal and support the people that they want to.
01:21:16.000There's only me as the principal of the entire company, sole owner, sole board member, president, CEO, treasurer, chairman, etc, etc, etc.
01:21:25.000There's staff, you know, I have a COO, we've got people who work here, but I own literally all of it, control all of it, with no outside investment.
01:21:32.000It's literally just... And you're not even Jewish!
01:21:35.000Yeah, I'm just saying as a joke to the anti-Semites in there.
01:21:39.000By the way, no one we're talking about is even Jewish.
01:21:43.000There are people who have been successful in media who aren't.
01:21:45.000I don't know why they have that conspiracy belief.
01:21:47.000But it was shocking for me to find out that these big alternatives Only exists because some powerful industrialist or billionaire decided, I'm gonna spend money, but that money comes with their influence.
01:22:01.000Now, the only issue I have with that is that we don't know what their influence is.
01:24:01.000I know, look, we've got 175,000 people watching on a show that normally gets 40 to 45,000.
01:24:06.000130,000 live viewers, tripling, quadrupling, quadrupling the live viewership we get because you came to talk about something that is important to you.
01:24:15.000You have people who are not only fans of your content, who are entertained by it, but also believe in you.
01:24:20.000Looking at your Mug Club numbers, I think you launch this thing and you're making three to five million per month right off the get-go.
01:24:35.000By the way, you mean the whole production company?
01:24:37.000Whole production company, you personally.
01:24:38.000Your staff, your employees, your budgets.
01:24:47.000And I understand, this isn't a loss on me.
01:24:49.000The only way people will 100% believe what I say, and that there's no ulterior motive, which is what I try to do in the negotiations, like take me off the table, this is why this is a sticking point, is if I walk away from this forever.
01:24:59.000Is if I never monetize again, and I just go back off into the sunset, just, you know, do stand-up, maybe do a once-a-week show, something like that, so I can continue selling out the venues.
01:25:09.000And Gerald knows that I strongly considered that at one point.
01:25:12.000And I think he was the one, if I'm not mistaken, who said like, yeah, but then if you do that, then this will just all blow over in two months, and it'll be the same problem.
01:25:20.000So I get the question of authenticity, but I would ask you if this is the easy decision, if this is the easy route to make, route to take, could have just taken the money, shut up, could have gone off, and I don't think it's $100 million, I think you're absolutely insane.
01:26:07.000Let everyone else worry about all the problems and go sit on the beach with a coconut and just do the bare minimum.
01:26:12.000But I think if you go the hard way, which running a company, especially with I think the size of memberships you're going to have, is going to be very difficult and time consuming, but just, you know, make Gerald do all the hard work.
01:26:24.000Here's the thing, if we continue down this route, Then there's got to be other people, right?
01:27:27.000Based on your memberships, based on the amount of views you get, do you think you will be bigger than – I'm not saying this as – It would – if I decided that I – let me answer it this way.
01:27:39.000I've wanted to be done with this by the time I'm 40 as far as hosting the show on air.
01:27:43.000The last thing I want to do is overstay your welcome and then move to a, I wouldn't say necessarily like a Harvey Weinstein or like a Bruckheimer, but more like a Suge Knight.
01:28:09.000And it'd be impossible for someone to do what I do.
01:28:12.000I don't want to pull the ladder up behind me.
01:28:14.000So I want to be able to move into a production role, but really what motivates me is being able to pass that mantle and make a difference.
01:28:19.000I guarantee you if we were to do it, it'd be within striking distance of the big boys, which I'd be fine with, but as long as we do something that we believe in, and I promise we will never Demand people's YouTube monetization. We will never punish
01:28:35.000them if they're not And it has to be something fair and has to be us not shortchanging
01:28:40.000the investor meaning the people mug club. It's entirely independent
01:28:43.000Paying us for to fight for what they believe whatever those numbers are. I'd accept them
01:28:47.000I'll tell you my my prediction which who knows could be worthless
01:28:50.000No, sir. Thomas hit me You launch a subscription service, independent mug club.
01:28:58.000You get 300,000 hard signups at 10 or more per month.
01:29:01.000I mean, it was 10 bucks a month for a lot of people.
01:29:04.000It's going up because of inflation, because people need raises and things like that.
01:29:07.000But let's say you did 10 bucks a month.
01:29:09.000You're looking at like 3 million in memberships with no ad reads at all.
01:29:13.000Let's say you do programmatic reads on the podcast version, meaning you, Steven, never read a single ad.
01:29:19.000Then you're looking at another, based on your traffic, I'd estimate another 2 to 5 million dollars per year, not per month.
01:29:27.000So right off the bat you're looking at 40 million dollars per year.
01:29:39.000Out the gate, it's a legitimately good contract that gives your business a small cut, but gives them the lion's share for the work they produce.
01:29:46.000They're gonna say, oh, I'm signing with Mug Club.
01:29:56.000Then what's going to happen is it's going to make it very difficult for the big con, these other big conservative companies, to sign these deals when a young creator says, I appreciate the offer, it's tempting, but Crowder's offering me twice the money with no setbacks.
01:30:07.000I would really, really like it, genuinely, and Gerald knows this, if there's someone else in the space who handles that shit.
01:30:14.000Because I'm not a business I'm not a business guy.
01:30:17.000I'm a guy who out-punted his coverage.
01:30:19.000You can go back and watch with a blue bed sheet who was doing stand-up comedy and acting and then had my back up against the wall.
01:30:25.000I would really like it if there was someone else who already has the money, who already has that ability to do it.
01:30:31.000If they can't, okay, I'll carry that torch.
01:31:38.000I once watched, when I was 16 years old, I saw an old lady at a bus stop flip over, land on her back, and I paused and said, I have no idea what to do.
01:32:31.000We did a whole send-off with him in a video montage.
01:32:32.000You know, this works with like conspiracies and sometimes, look, there's also a middle ground where there's, for example, like what is the email, by the way, if people are talking about shows?
01:32:43.000So that's actually not a bad idea, a contest.
01:32:45.000But the reason I didn't want to do it is because I didn't want a thing that's like, hey, this is why we're doing this right now.
01:32:50.000But we do have a place where people can reach out.
01:32:53.000The challenge is there's completely controlling contracts that own your name, image, likeness, and your platforms that you already built in perpetuity.
01:33:00.000Then you have people who are like, hey, I have no experience.
01:33:03.000I've never done a show, but I really think I could do it well if you give me money.
01:33:06.000That's a situation where you'd be incurring all the risk.
01:33:09.000There is a middle ground, and I think what needs to happen...
01:33:13.000I'm not going to be in the business of just creating shows from the ground up, but there are people out there who say, hey look, I have a channel that's doing relatively well, I keep hitting the ceiling that is YouTube saying we need you to play this kind of ball, I'm suffering from the advertising rates, the sponsorship rates dropping across the board, and I can just be the gasoline on that fire to back them up.
01:33:34.000Why would you sign with a network if they don't have your back?
01:33:38.000That's the only reason to, otherwise be independent, right?
01:33:41.000That's all we want to be, and whatever subscribers you generate, you keep.
01:33:46.000That's the only way I would be able to do it.
01:33:47.000It's really publicity, these big networks get their faces seen, but if you can do it without that... So people are still asking, is there an NDA?
01:34:53.000Let me mention perpetuity clauses really quick before we go to super chats because you brought them up a couple times.
01:34:57.000Dog nasty and need to be removed immediately from modern entertainment contracts because deepfakes, they're going to be able to take someone's perpetuity face, deepfake it to make it look real and have it say stuff that the person doesn't agree with.
01:35:10.000By the time I'm dead and you're going to my mausoleum, I'm going to be hawking Black Rifle fucking coffee.
01:35:46.000We can co-opt the rainbow from God after Noah.
01:35:49.000Smash the like button, become a member at TimCast.com.
01:35:51.000We're going to record the uncensored portion once we wrap up the live portion, which I can only imagine will be a lot crazier, but we're going to read some of these super chats.
01:36:24.000And that shell, I mean, sorry, that shell, that whatever it is, whether it's buckshot or whether it's a slug, has to come down at some point.
01:36:30.000Aurora Isabella says, Stephen is so hot.
01:37:06.000All right, here's a... It's like where the wild things are.
01:37:08.000Kristen Baker says, Will Crowder's company pay his creators guaranteed big money regardless of the revenues they bring in while they let their freak flag fly?
01:37:30.000And sponsors versus no sponsors, that's a much different thing.
01:37:32.000Nobody said that they couldn't make money, and nobody said Steven had to be given a guaranteed production contract no matter what money he brought in.
01:37:39.000They were completely and conveniently leaving that off of the table and saying, this is a lot of money, and if you lose anything, That's not going to happen.
01:37:49.000Again, this is what happens in the entertainment industry.
01:37:51.000Every time, whether it's a band at a venue, you do a minimum guarantee, which is going to be lower, which mitigates your risk, or you get the gate, you do a rev split with upside.
01:38:01.000Is there any portion there that says, by the way, if you actually do have the 300,000, which is well over 300,000 people who said we're going to be in Mug Club, if you actually do hit that, you, okay, get to share in this.
01:38:55.000And then what we found out 10 years ago was their view numbers were inflated because they were buying the rights to garbage network traffic views that don't matter and claiming it was a premium view.
01:39:14.000Sponsors were like, The return isn't there.
01:39:18.000And they're wondering why they start laying all these people off from these digital media companies.
01:39:21.000It's like, look, man, if the sponsor thinks they're buying gold standard view, but for every 10 views, one is gold standard and nine is like clickbait garbage, they're wasting money.
01:40:16.000Best restaurants in the world, in Montreal, probably pound for pound, and there are a lot of great Canadians.
01:40:22.000We could probably get an uncensored version, it would be boring here, but if you look at the Quebec separatism, a lot of that is very similar to the taxation without representation and a rugged sort of individualistic spirit.
01:40:30.000But then they also wanted to have the language police.
01:40:33.000La Ligue des Langues, where literally... Or the Spaghetti Gate, you know Spaghetti Gate?
01:40:36.000Is this about a restaurant or a diner?
01:40:37.000Yeah, it was an Italian restaurant, and spaghetti was spaghetti, and the language police said, why isn't it in French?
01:40:42.000That's not French, it's Italian, like, we don't care, spell it spaghetti with an E. Yes, they said, put spaghetti in there, but there's no French for it, and they were like, doesn't matter, you have to have it in French.
01:41:35.000They thought I was learning disabled, They thought I was an idiot up until the fourth grade because I had to do, the rule in Canada, and it comes from something they call pure land, which means pure wool, where they want pure French European blood.
01:42:05.000It's that I was having to learn geography, history, math in French and was falling behind.
01:42:09.000And when they finally threw a loophole, said, hey, if you do it as a temporary resident because your dad's American, this principal really did probably save my educational career in grade school, fourth grade, they switched me to English.
01:42:21.000And then, you know, I made it to, like, a B-minus student.
01:42:24.000Like, which means that I won't be a genius, but I won't be a mass shooter.
01:46:24.000There are genuinely a lot of people who are like, you know, they may not like what The Daily Wire is doing, but they like that it's a cultural force in the other direction.
01:49:56.000They've never addressed it beyond, well, we have to make money.
01:49:59.000But again, how are you making money off of penalizing someone for being demonetized when they haven't been monetized for years when they come in?
01:50:06.000So it would be one thing if everyone said it.
01:50:08.000They said at the top, no, this is for everybody.
01:50:11.000Candace said, I recognize those clauses in the contract.
01:51:57.000But industry standard is, it's opaque by design.
01:52:00.000Yeah, I think the only company that can actually offer the deal that you keep your members is Rumble.
01:52:06.000So I think, you know, Rumble's doing a bunch of deals with people, and I'm pretty sure those deals are, while we have you signed, the revenue comes to us.
01:52:14.000When the term ends, the membership revenue is yours.
01:52:17.000It's a part of your account that you own, and we've no longer licensed it.
01:52:21.000For these other companies, there's no way to effectively take a portion of your members and put them on a different website.
01:52:27.000Well, that's also what you're doing with this sort of decentralized tool that you're discussing, which sort of solves that problem a little bit.
01:53:19.000Obviously, you guys erected a lot of your fans to the show, so there's a big swing in your favor, but the second poll more dramatically swung in your favor.
01:53:26.000Well, so did the biggest, most powerful conservative network in the world, according to how their press release is Daily Wire.
01:53:30.000I would assume that when their people come on, it would be the same thing.
01:53:35.000I shouldn't even be in the same ballpark.
01:53:38.000In other words, there's such a dearth of creative content out there that I'm even within striking distance with no seed money, certainly not multi-millionaires or billionaires front-loading it, it shouldn't even be close.
01:53:57.000And I can tell you, Now, live number... Hey, Tim, let me ask you this.
01:54:09.000It's... Look, when it comes to, like... You could buy a YouTube video.
01:54:13.000In fact, anyone can advertise any YouTube video.
01:54:16.000You can go on Google Ads, take a video from some random little kid, pay for 100,000, 10,000 views, if you want, and that kid will have no idea it happened.
01:54:36.000I didn't mean the Ronald McDonald House for crying out loud.
01:54:44.000We used to do that, of course, where you could run videos just through Google AdSense.
01:54:48.000We've been barred for a very long time from doing that.
01:54:49.000And I want to be clear, I have no problem None whatsoever with people advertising.
01:54:54.000I think I want more conservatives to have advertising budgets because I want us to outfight the left.
01:54:58.000I have no problem with people choosing, and it's a strategy, to be monetized on YouTube.
01:55:03.000I think at a certain point when you look at the advertiser guidelines, which are very different from the content guidelines, they include you could be demonetized for Controversial topics, sensitive issues.
01:55:15.000I don't even want to say it's a slippery slope.
01:55:18.000They've already covered everything under that with their umbrella.
01:55:20.000Don't have a problem with someone making that decision.
01:55:23.000I only have a problem when you tell people that you are fighting back and they are expecting it and investing and you're not and you're demanding that everybody else Do it the same way as you do.
01:56:27.000And by the way, it's a big problem too if there's a huge, unlike the left, there's far too much influence from nonprofits on the conservative side.
01:56:33.000And a lot of these, this is another big part, a part of big con that we haven't even gotten into.
01:56:36.000You have a lot of these companies and this is not, I'm not saying daily, daily wire.
01:56:40.000Again, there are a lot of companies where they have a nonprofit wing and we all know there's a big difference between a 501c3 and a 501c4.
01:56:45.000And the audits that have taken place, because what happens is the non-profit money, you have donors go in there, but then that's used in some way to help generate content where they collect the profit.
01:57:14.000It says, I am a Daily Wire subscriber, and I was under the impression that my money was helping to protect their message from the predation of big tech censors.
01:57:21.000As a subscriber, my trust was what was betrayed.
01:57:27.000The one thing I brought to people is, like, look, whether you agree or disagree with Crowder, there's a question of, why penalize someone for using YouTube access when the goal is to build a subscription business?
01:57:39.000At some point, that should be the goal.
01:57:41.000Does Netflix say to their show creators, if your show gets pulled from YouTube, we're cutting your fees, despite the fact we charge $10 a month for them to watch it on Netflix?
01:57:49.000You think Netflix charges Winona Ryder if the Stranger Things premiere doesn't do well?
01:58:11.000Not the employee, or in the case of an actual independent production house, you don't penalize them for something that they weren't making in the first place.
01:58:31.000Yes, we're trying to speak the most truth to the greatest number of people possible.
01:58:35.000We can't just all have behind-the-paywall honest conversations, because then you don't affect people at the biggest possible tech company out there.
01:58:45.000But don't go so far as to play by this additional set of rules that really restricts what you're able to say.
01:59:42.000We are investing in the creation of this show, and it's going to take the form that it has to take.
01:59:48.000Obviously, they're better off on YouTube in terms of growth, but we got them on Apple and Spotify and Google and all the podcast platforms, and I'd actually rather grow that market than YouTube.
02:00:01.000That's when I get excited too, like when our numbers switched from the vast majority on YouTube, you know, to it splitting and then to the point where it tipped in Rumble's favor, you know, I come out and when they tell me that when we're doing that, I get really excited.
02:00:12.000You know, when we do those numbers, like the 300, I think it was 350 on election night
02:00:23.000I'm like, I don't think you fully got it.
02:00:24.000But that was more exciting than having whatever we had, half a million, 600,000 on YouTube.
02:00:29.000I get that you want to hit critical mass on YouTube, but it is exciting to – we've
02:00:33.000talked about this for years, when you're at a point where you can actually be a brother
02:00:36.000in arms, brother, sister, Z in arms with people who are flipping it to the French government,
02:00:41.000people who are saying, no, we practice what we preach, not saying only be on Rumble.
02:00:45.000But isn't that exciting that there is at least some kind of viable alternative where you can get enough to use now that you can make a living?
02:03:08.000I would have agreed three years ago, maybe, where this has been happening for a long time
02:03:13.000when you sit down and they go, nope, nope, this is how it has to be.
02:03:16.000At a certain point, do I believe that the conservative movement is better off now when
02:03:20.000you know, when you see behind the curtain, that these are the kinds of terms that cannot
02:03:24.000be changed by their own words to all major content creators out there?
02:03:30.000I wouldn't have been able to create what I've created.
02:03:32.000You know, Tim, that you wouldn't have been able to have created what you have created under these kinds of terms, and no one else will be able to.
02:03:38.000If it continues this way, we will continue to lose, and the public will be surprised and dumbfounded.
02:03:46.000Well, the last thing I'll say is I had conversations with the Daily Wire and ultimately we decided it wasn't going to work.
02:03:52.000The difference between my approach and your approach is that I just said, look, I'm going to go build my own thing.
02:04:32.000I'll talk to you guys a little bit more about some of the offers that we've received, and how they work, and why they don't play out.
02:04:38.000I'll get a little bit more into the...
02:04:41.000The terms I was offered by various companies, we'll explain that in the Members Only Show, so go to TimCast.com, if you aren't already, click the Join Us button, sign up, we're going to have an uncensored Members Only Show, I'll talk a little bit more about the inner workings of the deals, and I'll talk as much as I can about what I've been offered and why I said no, and then I'll ask Stephen how he really feels.
02:04:59.000So, again, go to TimCast.com, become a member of the Members Only.
02:05:02.000Well, they can go to Louisville February 10th, but it'll all be based on jokes.
02:05:06.000It's not like I have anything to go off my chest.
02:05:11.000Again, TimCast.com for the uncensored show.
02:05:13.000I'll post the link on YouTube after the show wraps.
02:05:15.000Do you guys want to promote anything, shout anything out before you go?
02:05:19.000No, I mean, the thing is, I will say the owner of this guy, he owns like Louisville, Oklahoma City, I think, and a bunch of comedy clubs, you know, because they booked six months out, he actually made it possible where I was able to buy the headliner for that week and like pay his fee to be able to do this because, you know, this all kind of happened last minute.
02:05:35.000Uh, yeah, louderwithcrowder.com slash tour, where, uh, you know, an hour and a half every night, uncensored.
02:05:40.000We'll just keep adding shows, doing smaller venues.
02:05:41.000So, we can't do the theaters until probably next quarter, but it's always fun.
02:05:45.000And I think the people who watch this know you better than they know me anyway.
02:06:09.000Thank you guys so much for coming and having a cordial, respectful dialogue and discussion here.
02:06:13.000In the beginning of this broadcast, I told everyone about my new venture and website, I'mtherealog.com, and as soon as I did, my web guy told me we were DDoS'd.
02:07:05.000At a certain portion, they just start disappearing, and then there's one thing we can do, and we can go into the back end and try and start scrolling through and pulling them back up.
02:07:18.000What we need to do, especially as we get into the new studio space, look, we don't even have a headphone dial, like volume control for the guests.
02:07:25.000It's just all done by Callan or Serge or whoever's at the control.
02:07:29.000So we're trying to continually up and improve to get to that point.
02:07:33.000One thing we're going to do is we're going to have super chats grabbed during the show so we don't miss anything, especially big ones.