Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Steven Crowder Joins To Discuss StopBigCon.Com Live At 8PM EST

00:00:00.000 One of the biggest stories last week was Stephen Crowder's Stop Big Con announcement.

00:00:26.000 The Daily Wire's response.

00:00:28.000 Candace Owens then came on this show, gave her response.

00:00:32.000 Stephen Crowder released a video explaining his response to their response.

00:00:36.000 And now we have an opportunity to hear Stephen Crowder's side of everything.

00:00:39.000 And this is an important story.

00:00:41.000 A lot of people have asked me, why does this matter?

00:00:43.000 It's drama between media companies.

00:00:46.000 And I think the questions being asked right now could determine the shape of independent, alternative, anti-establishment, and corporate media in general moving forward.

00:00:55.000 Is it going to more take the shape of the traditional Hollywood system, but with better views?

00:01:01.000 Or is it going to be a new system that makes sure the individuals are empowered and can maintain themselves through the issues of censorship and run their own companies after any contracts change?

00:01:09.000 There's a lot of questions here more than just that.

00:01:12.000 And so joining us tonight to talk about all of this is, of course, We've got Steven Crowder.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, thank you, sir.

00:01:18.000 That's a little roomy.

00:01:18.000 Is there a way for me to adjust my headphones?

00:01:20.000 No, I should have done it beforehand. 1.00

00:01:21.000 I'm an idiot. 0.99

00:01:22.000 Actually, Kellen can do it from his end. 0.99

00:01:24.000 I apologize.

00:01:25.000 The new studio has the modules where you can control, but we're... I also got these armrests.

00:01:29.000 I'm like hitting the table, so if I look like an idiot, it's probably... You can lower the seat. 0.90

00:01:32.000 How do I do it? 0.98

00:01:33.000 On the right side, there's a lever.

00:01:34.000 Yeah, it's the front lever of the two.

00:01:37.000 Now everyone's gonna think I'm super tiny.

00:01:40.000 Yeah, now you're shorter.

00:01:40.000 I'll adjust your camera.

00:01:44.000 And also, you brought your CEO, Gerald?

00:01:45.000 Yeah, Gerald Morgan.

00:01:46.000 Yeah, now officially just became CEO in the last couple of weeks there.

00:01:49.000 We'll have to adjust these cameras.

00:01:50.000 So, you know, Serge missed his flight, I guess.

00:01:53.000 Is that what happened?

00:01:55.000 Yeah, sounds like it.

00:01:56.000 So we're completely just... There you go.

00:02:00.000 Ian'll get it.

00:02:01.000 I just split the difference.

00:02:02.000 Is that okay?

00:02:02.000 I just kind of went up.

00:02:03.000 I don't think you need to adjust it.

00:02:04.000 No, he needs to turn it to the side.

00:02:06.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:07.000 It's almost like one of those things where it's like when Santa met the M&Ms. 0.87

00:02:11.000 Yeah?

00:02:11.000 Seeing you in person.

00:02:12.000 Well, they got rid of the M&Ms. 1.00

00:02:12.000 He does exist. 1.00

00:02:13.000 Oh, right, but they're gone.

00:02:14.000 No, they have a lesbian M&M.

00:02:16.000 No, no, no, they got rid of it.

00:02:17.000 It's Maya Rudolph now.

00:02:17.000 Just now.

00:02:18.000 Okay, we're going to talk about that, I suppose.

00:02:20.000 But ladies and gentlemen, before we get started. 0.99

00:02:21.000 It would make sense if she was a lesbian M&M that she was so fat. 1.00

00:02:23.000 That's fair. 0.98

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00:03:14.000 Hey guys, today I'm wearing my Make America Florida shirt, which you can get on TheBestPoliticalShirts.com because I'm moving to Florida tomorrow.

00:03:23.000 Sorry guys, but the Daily Wire gave me a deal I couldn't refuse.

00:03:25.000 No, I'm joking.

00:03:28.000 I'm kidding.

00:03:31.000 I'm fiercely independent.

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00:03:44.000 I can't believe you got that domain.

00:03:45.000 I know.

00:03:46.000 You said it was $5.

00:03:46.000 TheRealOG?

00:03:47.000 TheRealOG.com.

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00:03:50.000 I'm surprised it's not a pot shop.

00:03:52.000 TheRealOG.com is like a spam website, so don't go on that one.

00:03:56.000 It hacks people's computers.

00:03:57.000 Oh my gosh.

00:03:58.000 Don't go on that one.

00:03:59.000 I'm TheRealOG.com.

00:04:00.000 We got Ian hanging out.

00:04:01.000 Can I say one thing, by the way?

00:04:02.000 Before we do, we should turn Steven's mic up a little bit.

00:04:04.000 Okay, I was going to say, because you're coming in a little bit hot in my ears when you were saying OG, which I'm really happy to hear, but it was loud.

00:04:10.000 So do you want to maybe bring Steven's headset down a little and his mic up a little?

00:04:15.000 Which camera am I talking into there?

00:04:16.000 Before watching the live stream on my YouTube channel or Rumble, it's only going to be the first 20 minutes.

00:04:21.000 There's really no other way to reach you, like with a post, and then just head over to TimCast IRL, right?

00:04:25.000 YouTube.com slash TimCast IRL.

00:04:28.000 So all of you head over there now if you can, but in 20 minutes it's not going to be here.

00:04:31.000 Or TimCast.com, we just have it embedded on the front.

00:04:33.000 That's easier.

00:04:34.000 I'm glad you guys are here.

00:04:35.000 The drama, personal stuff, I'm not really interested in as much as the contracts themselves.

00:04:39.000 I've been thinking about this since 2006, 7, 8.

00:04:41.000 Like, similar to you, Steven, making internet videos.

00:04:44.000 Can I say?

00:04:44.000 Maker Studios, yeah.

00:04:46.000 I was only, verbally, we would hang out, me and Ben Donovan and Dan Zapinski up in a hotel room talking about creating a union for web actors.

00:04:54.000 And it's evolved into now, it never really happened, and now I think there's a technical solution and we don't need to make paperwork.

00:05:02.000 I don't like trusting people with paperwork anyway, personally.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, my problem isn't so much with paper itself.

00:05:08.000 You don't like it?

00:05:09.000 No, my problem isn't so much with the paper, it's what it represents.

00:05:11.000 It's what's printed on the paper.

00:05:13.000 It tends to be the issue.

00:05:14.000 No, I remember I was with Maker, and then it kind of morphed into something where, you know, the whole idea, right, was they were going to help protect you, get better advertising rates, and then, you know, I said some things like, hey, you know, we just, we can't be repping you anymore.

00:05:24.000 They turned into Studio something, I think they got purchased by Disney.

00:05:27.000 Was it Studio 71?

00:05:28.000 Was that what it was?

00:05:29.000 There were a couple of them, right, that were out there.

00:05:31.000 There was, like, Collab Studios?

00:05:33.000 Was that the one that was called?

00:05:34.000 I don't know.

00:05:35.000 We'll get into all that.

00:05:35.000 I want to make sure everybody knows Kellan's here.

00:05:37.000 What's up, everybody?

00:05:38.000 It's Kellan filling in for Serge.

00:05:39.000 Let's get started, guys.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, so Serge misses flight, I guess, but we're all here and we're stringing it together with duct tape.

00:05:46.000 Kellan's not duct tape!

00:05:48.000 No, he's good.

00:05:49.000 Yeah, he's more like... I was after throwing you under the bus right off the bat.

00:05:52.000 It's that metallic airline tape.

00:05:53.000 Oh, that's better.

00:05:54.000 Yeah, it's like people see it and they get scared of duct tape, but don't worry. 1.00

00:05:57.000 Telling you a sack of dog crap. 1.00

00:05:59.000 Your duct tape. 1.00

00:06:00.000 You even got double-sided, bitch. 1.00

00:06:03.000 But I got the fancy airline duct tape. 1.00

00:06:05.000 I'll take it.

00:06:07.000 Reflective.

00:06:07.000 Kroger brand duct tape.

00:06:09.000 It's Kuwait.

00:06:10.000 Go ahead.

00:06:13.000 Let's jump into this first story.

00:06:14.000 We have this StopBigCon.com.

00:06:18.000 Louder with Crowder, Stop Big Con, stay in Mug Club, or join anew, enter your email below.

00:06:22.000 So let's get started and talk about, from the beginning, most people are familiar with the story.

00:06:29.000 I want to make sure, as we get this started, I want to make sure there's important contextual understanding.

00:06:33.000 People have asked why it's so important that, and why is everybody interested in the story?

00:06:39.000 Why have we talked about it so much?

00:06:41.000 First, I will say I'm biased.

00:06:44.000 I worked for big corporations.

00:06:46.000 I've run my own company.

00:06:47.000 I have this passion for how the media companies operate, how I operate my media company, my vision for the future.

00:06:54.000 And I know so much about this.

00:06:55.000 It's something I care about.

00:06:56.000 When I hear about it, I'm just driven to want to understand more, talk about it, share these ideas.

00:07:01.000 But it's more than just that.

00:07:02.000 I want to make sure that my bias is clear.

00:07:04.000 It's that I for one have taken issue with the establishment media, the traditional media systems, how they operate with contracts and so trying to build something different.

00:07:14.000 I see what Crowder announced and what he's talking about and I ideologically agree.

00:07:20.000 So this conversation could change the shape of how media moves forward as the corporate media system is dying.

00:07:28.000 Firing people, laying people off, and an independent ecosystem is emerging with these networks, which form is it going to take?

00:07:35.000 It could go completely corporate, it could go completely independent, it could be a mix of both, but this is a conversation that is extremely important moving forward, so we're hanging out with Steven Crowder and Gerald, of course, to talk about all this.

00:07:47.000 I don't really take care of the finances as much.

00:07:50.000 What's the story here?

00:07:51.000 Well, first off, let me set something up off the bat.

00:07:51.000 What's the story?

00:07:53.000 I want to make sure that everyone here knows, like, I know that you guys have made very clear that you're monetized on YouTube because you believe that you can fight against big tech by sort of operating, to some degree, within the rules, but you've been very transparent about it.

00:08:05.000 And so I don't want you to think that that is at all the same as what I have a problem with.

00:08:09.000 And I mean, we can go back to a few things.

00:08:12.000 Look, it really comes down to what's right.

00:08:14.000 It really comes down to what the truth is.

00:08:15.000 And this is something that's been a long time coming.

00:08:17.000 Gerald actually came on as CEO because we're being batted around so long.

00:08:20.000 This is years and years in the making.

00:08:21.000 I get the point with corporate media.

00:08:24.000 The issue that I have with many in the conservative side of this sphere is the fundamental misleading and dishonesty.

00:08:33.000 That's what I have a problem with.

00:08:34.000 And you see that here as a story took place.

00:08:38.000 Kind of a started right where We released this video.

00:08:41.000 We didn't, and it was just by design, didn't name names because there could be a litany of contracts that are similar to this.

00:08:46.000 A lot of them are often verbal offers.

00:08:48.000 We mentioned it could have been Fox News, probably went anew, and they're the corporate monolith.

00:08:52.000 There's about, you know, four or five, I would say we have four or five offers, and then there are other investors who come into the space who just want to dump in a whole bunch of money.

00:09:01.000 Daily Wire here outed themselves.

00:09:04.000 And I understand that people are saying, well, people knew who it was.

00:09:06.000 Well, that's because some of the people who were under those contracts said, yeah, I recognize those contracts.

00:09:10.000 And Candace said, on this show, I recognize the terms from my contract.

00:09:12.000 Here's the thing.

00:09:14.000 I said this is wrong.

00:09:15.000 Penalizing conservatives, and I believe this to my absolute core, penalizing conservatives on behalf of big tech while taking money from people who are paying you, investing in you, to fight big tech.

00:09:27.000 That is what they're investing in.

00:09:28.000 That is what Mug Club is investing in.

00:09:30.000 That's what subscribers are investing in.

00:09:32.000 While simultaneously penalizing conservatives is fundamentally wrong.

00:09:34.000 I had that conversation and said, look, just please give me your word you're not going to be doing this with other people who, as you well know, when you start in this industry, don't know better. 0.96

00:09:42.000 Immediately after that, the conversation was, Crowder is making a big deal as a dick about money. 0.87

00:09:47.000 Basketball money.

00:09:48.000 $50 million a year was the implication, which you know is not true.

00:09:52.000 People aren't saying that now.

00:09:53.000 That's not what people have a problem with.

00:09:54.000 What people have a problem with, I understand, is the idea of a phone call.

00:09:58.000 And now the narrative has shifted to betrayal of a friend.

00:10:01.000 That's what people want to say.

00:10:02.000 I say less straw.

00:10:03.000 I say this is something that I've watched, experienced for years, tried to give every possible out to do the right thing, and have tried to do the right thing in the way that we run our own business.

00:10:13.000 Saw the gaslighting, the bully tactics that take place behind the scenes of other creators, and knew it wouldn't be myself.

00:10:19.000 So now the narrative shifts to, how could you record a phone call, betray a friend?

00:10:24.000 It was just about money.

00:10:25.000 It was just, this is just business.

00:10:27.000 And now it's, hey, we're really good friends.

00:10:29.000 Well, which is it?

00:10:30.000 I mean, you have to, you kind of have to pick a lane, right?

00:10:33.000 Are we good friends?

00:10:33.000 Are you sending out a boilerplate contract that you demand of everybody according to what they said?

00:10:37.000 I have 110% penalties on behalf of big tech. And the issue with that is that it's dishonest. It's

00:10:43.000 a tactic of the left. It's a tactic, the same kind of tactic that you see from the

00:10:46.000 left, the gaslighting, where if you, let me ask you this.

00:10:49.000 Real quick, real quick. I just want to clarify, you said 110% penalty?

00:10:53.000 Yeah, you can see the contract right there. If you add them all up.

00:10:55.000 So you will yield that money?

00:10:58.000 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

00:11:00.000 That's a fair point.

00:11:02.000 And this is the issue.

00:11:04.000 I made it clear it wasn't about me.

00:11:06.000 It's about other people.

00:11:06.000 It's about this being the fundamental practice.

00:11:08.000 And by the way, it's not just Daily Wire, to be clear.

00:11:10.000 This happens in this incestuous sphere across the board.

00:11:14.000 What would you do?

00:11:15.000 This is my question.

00:11:16.000 Real quick, let me ask.

00:11:17.000 My concern is, if people aren't familiar with the total context, you leave The Blaze, or in the process of, you're fielding offers.

00:11:24.000 You receive a contract.

00:11:25.000 A term, term sheet.

00:11:26.000 A term, not a contract.

00:11:29.000 People are semantically saying... A predecessor to a contract, but yeah.

00:11:32.000 Which is basically the terms they're offering for a contract.

00:11:34.000 Right.

00:11:34.000 Some people have argued it.

00:11:35.000 But the point is, they basically said, you will be penalized 25% if you get a strike.

00:11:41.000 No, if you're demonetized.

00:11:42.000 If you're demonetized.

00:11:43.000 Then another 20% if there's a strike.

00:11:45.000 Then another 20%, I don't remember the numbers, for Facebook, for Spotify, but there's also another penalty if your sponsors get boycotted.

00:11:50.000 There's also another penalty if you don't agree to 10%, if you deny 10% of the sponsors, which is probably like you, we probably accept one out of five sponsors.

00:11:58.000 But let me just kinda go through this timeline really quickly.

00:12:01.000 For people who are trying to understand what's going on, it's basically the contract you received, specifically outlined- Term sheet.

00:12:01.000 Go ahead.

00:12:07.000 Term sheet, yeah.

00:12:08.000 The term sheet you received- I don't know if it matters.

00:12:10.000 You don't put something in a term sheet that you don't want in a contract.

00:12:12.000 It said YouTube, Apple, Spotify, and Facebook.

00:12:15.000 Specifically, if these big tech companies are upset with you, we dock your pay.

00:12:20.000 That's an important distinction to consider.

00:12:21.000 And not even dock his pay.

00:12:23.000 I want to be very clear here.

00:12:24.000 This is a production house.

00:12:25.000 This is our budget that gets docked.

00:12:27.000 This is not basketball where you pay Kyrie Irving to go out and shoot hoops, right?

00:12:31.000 You're paying an entire team of people to produce.

00:12:33.000 Before we get to that, before we get to the financing stuff, let me ask you this.

00:12:39.000 If someone publicly was going, and by the way, I'm not going to be doing the personal stuff. 0.84

00:12:42.000 I'm not going to be coming in here calling anybody a bitch, right? 0.91

00:12:44.000 Sending out hatchet people. 0.99

00:12:47.000 I understand why Candace was mad.

00:12:49.000 Honestly, I understand why she was mad.

00:12:50.000 I'd probably be mad too.

00:12:51.000 So I don't think it gives you an excuse to go and talk the way like every girl does who gets their husband into a fight at a bar, but I understand why she was upset. 0.74

00:13:01.000 If you had the ability, if someone was going out saying, hey, you're a difficult person who only cares about the money, and that you're a bitch, and you had the opportunity to clear it in because it was verifiably untrue, which now no one is arguing, would you do it?

00:13:15.000 How else would people switch from, it was about a $50 million salary, to, oh, recording a phone call? 0.79

00:13:22.000 Do we allow it when James O'Keefe does it?

00:13:23.000 Is it only when corruption is on the side of the left?

00:13:25.000 And here's the issue.

00:13:26.000 I'll tell you who this hurts.

00:13:28.000 I'm not just saying, Daily Wire, this is about the entire movement as a whole.

00:13:28.000 The dishonesty.

00:13:33.000 There are a lot of practices that go on, and it hurts the sponsors, hurts the creators, hurts the viewers, hurts the investors.

00:13:39.000 And by investors, with us, you know, it's entirely Mug Club. 0.79

00:13:41.000 It's people who pay to subscribe.

00:13:42.000 We don't make a dime off of YouTube.

00:13:43.000 We haven't for many years.

00:13:45.000 And it hurts, if you believe what we say, we believe the movement in the country as a whole.

00:13:50.000 So, that right there, right, is fundamentally disappointing.

00:13:53.000 And the gaslighting still keeps taking place.

00:13:54.000 Candace Owens on this show said, Um, hey, we all follow the same guidelines, right?

00:13:59.000 Crowder does, too.

00:14:00.000 That's verifiably false.

00:14:01.000 And I'll say, you can publicly audit this.

00:14:03.000 We've had four strikes, right, in the last, since May, I think, 2021 to October 2022.

00:14:09.000 One was the Mackay Bryant.

00:14:11.000 One was a sketch with Alex Jones.

00:14:13.000 That one's guilty.

00:14:14.000 One was him quoting the CDC, and by the way, none of this will get you in trouble, because you can say this now, him quoting the CDC, bringing up the CDC numbers on flu deaths for children versus COVID, and we were saying this is interesting science, right, that COVID kills more senior citizens, but for some reason is significantly less lethal to young people, to infants.

00:14:33.000 That science is accepted now, so you won't get a strike, but that was one of the strikes.

00:14:35.000 The other was when we had Carrie Lake on in a gubernatorial election. 1.00

00:14:38.000 Four, how many have taken place from Daily Wire?

00:14:42.000 Yes.

00:14:42.000 Zero.

00:14:43.000 Now here's the thing.

00:14:44.000 I'm not saying it's a badge of honor.

00:14:45.000 I'm not saying that it's a badge of honor to be suspended.

00:14:48.000 If they came out and said, look, look, we demand, as Jeremy said in his 55 minute video, we demand that all of our creators follow these rules that YouTube and Facebook set through punitive practices in mandating of our creators to do so And Crowder's a little bit more of a rebel.

00:15:03.000 You know what?

00:15:03.000 He's been banned for four times.

00:15:04.000 And that's just, that's not the same kind of, that's not a problem.

00:15:07.000 The problem is saying that we all follow the same rules because here's, so that's all publicly verifiable.

00:15:12.000 Now I could tell you, I could tell you guys that behind the scenes, had many conversations with senior YouTube executives who say, you know, we might be able to get you re-monetized if you kind of play ball like.

00:15:23.000 He's got daily wire and insert other people here.

00:15:25.000 I could tell you that, but would you believe me?

00:15:27.000 I would have to provide receipts.

00:15:29.000 I could tell you that that takes place.

00:15:30.000 That hurts the creators out there who end up hitting a glass ceiling that has set the sandbox that has mandated their creators.

00:15:37.000 The same thing happens with sponsors.

00:15:40.000 Let me ask you real quick, what does that mean, play ball?

00:15:43.000 Obviously you're paraphrasing, but... Yeah, paraphrasing.

00:15:47.000 Titles, subjects, not talk about this subject or not talk about it in this way.

00:15:53.000 Maybe soften, don't use these words.

00:15:56.000 Maybe change this a little bit.

00:15:58.000 This happens a lot, right, behind the scenes, and that makes it impossible for independent content creators.

00:16:02.000 The same thing happens, by the way, so that's gaslighting that you see right there.

00:16:04.000 We all follow the same rules.

00:16:06.000 It was about money, then it's about a phone call with sponsors.

00:16:11.000 Did YouTube reach out to you and say, hey, do you want to play ball with us?

00:16:14.000 Here's the thing.

00:16:15.000 I'm not going to be providing receipts to people who don't want to be involved.

00:16:21.000 There's a difference between single-party consent state and wiretapping.

00:16:23.000 You don't rope people in who are victims.

00:16:25.000 But if it's an entity that you believe is predatory, that's the difference.

00:16:30.000 There are good people at YouTube.

00:16:31.000 There are some good people there who want, but their hands are tied.

00:16:34.000 And guess what?

00:16:34.000 Everyone else's hands are tied.

00:16:36.000 If you say, hey, we're all trying to fight this system that exists, but you're not.

00:16:40.000 You're mandating that you exist within the system.

00:16:43.000 Only one person is saying, hey, you know what?

00:16:45.000 If you want to be monetized and you don't, that's fine.

00:16:47.000 And one is saying, you have to fit into this box.

00:16:50.000 Very important context to this is, obviously after you put out the first video, I've talked to a bunch of my friends and they said, look, you know, Daily Wire's trying to run a business.

00:16:59.000 If he gets banned off YouTube, how are they going to sell ads?

00:17:02.000 How are they going to do the sponsorships?

00:17:03.000 His views are gone.

00:17:04.000 And I've seen people tweet, all of Crowder's views come from YouTube anyway, so he'd basically be unmonetizable if he was banned.

00:17:11.000 And then I point out, first of all, that's just categorically false.

00:17:14.000 That's not true.

00:17:15.000 Because Rumble exists.

00:17:16.000 Ben streamed there for the first time today.

00:17:18.000 And this is an important context.

00:17:20.000 The contract you were offered says Facebook, Apple, I said YouTube, Apple, Facebook, Spotify, but it didn't mention any of your views from any other platforms.

00:17:28.000 And there's Google Podcasts.

00:17:30.000 They get views.

00:17:31.000 I know the numbers.

00:17:32.000 Obviously, it's not the same as Apple, but it's interesting to me that for a lot of people, like Dan Bongino, for instance, had more subscribers on Rumble than YouTube.

00:17:39.000 Yeah.

00:17:40.000 It's interesting, then, that their attitude is, if you're banned from YouTube, it's a 20% fee reduction, which you mentioned includes your staff salary.

00:17:47.000 25?

00:17:47.000 25.

00:17:47.000 No, sorry, 25 for demonetization.

00:17:49.000 And then another 20.

00:17:50.000 It's 45, in other words, for us, right off the bat.

00:17:53.000 And this is the thing, I said, is this an accident?

00:17:55.000 In other words, okay, we're good friends.

00:17:57.000 But hold on a second, does anyone here, does anyone here have a problem?

00:18:01.000 Do you not believe me when I say we haven't been monetized on YouTube for three years?

00:18:04.000 You all know that, right?

00:18:05.000 Oh, right, of course.

00:18:05.000 Literally.

00:18:05.000 And we're not that close.

00:18:06.000 Zero days, or did you have?

00:18:08.000 So what happened is we were demonetized.

00:18:10.000 How many years ago?

00:18:11.000 Someone accidentally demonetized us for like four months.

00:18:13.000 And then demonetized again.

00:18:16.000 We were like, what happened?

00:18:17.000 And they were like, yeah, actually, no, sorry, you're demonetized again.

00:18:19.000 I was like, well, skunked again.

00:18:20.000 So what did we do to get monetized, basically?

00:18:22.000 I want to make sure this point is made clear for everybody.

00:18:25.000 This is a very important part of the argument when I heard it.

00:18:30.000 If the point is you can't sell ads or build an audience because YouTube banned you and that's it, but you're getting 85% or more views on Rumble, the question is why no penalty for getting banned from Rumble?

00:18:42.000 Why is Rumble not a consideration in the contract at all?

00:18:44.000 And why don't they simply say comparable views instead of the platform?

00:18:48.000 Like, if for every million views per day you lose, we dock you... I can answer that question exactly.

00:18:53.000 It's fundamental to the business model.

00:18:55.000 I was informed of that.

00:18:56.000 It is fundamental.

00:18:56.000 In other words, there are plenty of options out there, right?

00:18:58.000 He can tell you.

00:18:59.000 I get excited when I walk out and I go, hey, how many people are tuning in live on YouTube?

00:19:02.000 How many on Rumble?

00:19:03.000 They go, oh, it's tipped.

00:19:04.000 There are more people on Rumble.

00:19:05.000 Sure, I've been on YouTube for a long time, since 2006, but it doesn't mean that they don't change, right?

00:19:10.000 And the issue is I think it's a great thing to use these platforms.

00:19:13.000 There's a huge difference, by the way, you know, between being monetized And being on the platform.

00:19:18.000 But ultimately, if we believe what we say, we have to be trying to get to the point where we know that fast forward five years, you can't speak the truth on YouTube, certainly not if you want to be monetized.

00:19:27.000 But there's this jockeying for position with people who they see as competition and the issue here that I've always made clear is the locking in of these punitive contracts that mandate and enforce big tech policies and guidelines as a matter of business.

00:19:42.000 And that hurts creators.

00:19:43.000 And the same thing, by the way, when we're talking about misleading practices with sponsors.

00:19:46.000 There's no problem, right?

00:19:48.000 And this is all publicly verifiable.

00:19:50.000 I want you guys to be able to audit this so that there don't have to be as many receipts provided.

00:19:53.000 You market your channel, right?

00:19:55.000 I think we probably have some ads running right now, like Spotify, like, hey, if you like this show, tune in on Spotify.

00:20:00.000 But there's a big difference.

00:20:00.000 We know that there's a huge problem in our industry of pay to play.

00:20:03.000 Now, you can do that, that's fine, if you want to grow your numbers.

00:20:06.000 What does that mean?

00:20:06.000 So pay-to-play means that you can buy views, right?

00:20:08.000 You can pay-to-play, you can run your video as a pre-roll ad, and people see that number, but really a lot of them are 14-second views, 8-second views, but it still clicks that counter.

00:20:17.000 The closest apples-to-apples comparison that you could do right now is you could go out and take like, let's say, not this controversy because there's cross-pollination, but Ben Shapiro's a huge show.

00:20:25.000 Of course he is.

00:20:25.000 But go take some videos there right now that have a million plays.

00:20:29.000 Go month after month.

00:20:30.000 Take a bunch of them.

00:20:31.000 Look at the likes.

00:20:32.000 Look at the comments.

00:20:34.000 Take videos from my channel.

00:20:35.000 It's a comparable place.

00:20:36.000 Take them with 800,000, 600,000 plays because we've converted them a lot to Rumble.

00:20:40.000 Look at the likes, look at the comments.

00:20:41.000 It's startling because it's a lot easier to buy plays than it is to buy likes and comments.

00:20:45.000 That's not a problem.

00:20:46.000 Wait, are you saying that the Daily Wire is buying views for their content?

00:20:49.000 I'm saying that they run the videos.

00:20:50.000 This happens not just Daily Wire, to be clear.

00:20:53.000 ShopBigCon is designed because of this entire industry.

00:20:56.000 And what happens is, yes, these views get inflated.

00:20:58.000 There's nothing wrong with running ads to increase the video count.

00:21:00.000 The problem is this, when that is used to then go out and set sponsorship rates, and

00:21:07.000 then this is what happens with creators.

00:21:09.000 When you sit down with sponsors and these are hard earned dollars, a lot of them are

00:21:13.000 mid-sized companies, you run them on this show and they say, yeah, but you know what?

00:21:17.000 We didn't get our money's worth and this person is the number one show because they go out

00:21:20.000 and they say that they have these numbers and they set what happens?

00:21:23.000 They drop those rates across the board, which hurts everybody or they pull out altogether.

00:21:28.000 Now you can publicly verify that information.

00:21:31.000 Now I could tell you guys that I've had conversations with sponsors that say, we're not going to

00:21:35.000 be running in the conservative space because it's just not as effective as we thought it

00:21:38.000 was or you know what?

00:21:40.000 And content creators will say, why am I getting these low advertising rates?

00:21:43.000 Here's the issue.

00:21:43.000 If you're some kid, and by kid I mean, you know, you could be a 40-year-old with a smaller podcast.

00:21:48.000 Let's say you get a quarter million plays.

00:21:50.000 Not as big, but good numbers.

00:21:51.000 Let's say you get half a million plays.

00:21:52.000 Good numbers, but they're real.

00:21:54.000 And you are a conservative, and you're trying to grow this.

00:21:56.000 And then all of a sudden, your content, YouTube is saying, can't say that.

00:22:00.000 Can't do that because of the box that's being created by all of these companies and big conservatism.

00:22:04.000 And then you're trying to make it, right?

00:22:06.000 You're trying to make it something that is financially solvent.

00:22:09.000 And you can't because sponsors no longer have faith in this side of the industry.

00:22:14.000 That is something that hurts those creators.

00:22:15.000 And this is something that so the creators are hurt, the sponsors are hurt, the viewers are hurt.

00:22:19.000 Because I just want to finish this one and then any questions you have.

00:22:21.000 The viewers are hurt, Because they feel isolated.

00:22:24.000 They feel like their views are not represented, right?

00:22:26.000 They go, hold on a second.

00:22:27.000 I'm conservative.

00:22:28.000 Why are none of the top people saying whatever it is?

00:22:31.000 X, Y, Z. And the investors are hurt.

00:22:33.000 And I don't mean billionaires.

00:22:35.000 In our case, it's people who invest when they sign up for Mug Club.

00:22:38.000 They are paying us because they say, we know that you're demonetized.

00:22:41.000 We know that you don't run nearly as many sponsors.

00:22:43.000 You're very selective.

00:22:44.000 And we think we are giving you our dollar in faith because we think that you are fighting for us.

00:22:49.000 Let me give you one final parallel world there.

00:22:52.000 Imagine if we left the blaze.

00:22:54.000 And this, again, the issue is that everyone is demanded to sign these exact same contracts.

00:22:58.000 That's what they said.

00:22:59.000 They've been very, very clear about that.

00:23:00.000 It's just business.

00:23:02.000 Imagine if Mud Club leaves the blaze.

00:23:03.000 And let's say we come back two, three months.

00:23:06.000 And we come back, and all of a sudden, I don't talk about vaccines in the way that I used to.

00:23:10.000 All of a sudden, I don't talk about election integrity like I used to.

00:23:12.000 All of a sudden, I don't host Carrie Lake in the same way that I used to or host her at all.

00:23:16.000 And all of a sudden, all the parodies, the sketches, you know, the sweeping epic, like a parody of Saving Private Ryan or There Will Be Blood or Schindler's List, whatever it is, you don't see any—change my mind—you don't see any of those anymore, but you see four or five live reads.

00:23:28.000 I'd be the definition of a sellout.

00:23:29.000 And I would be selling out the people who paid for something different.

00:23:32.000 Only one group of people here is saying, you have to fit into this box.

00:23:36.000 I'm saying, you got to let some people let the freak flag fly.

00:23:39.000 I don't care if you want to be monetized or not.

00:23:41.000 Don't lock people and punish them on behalf of big tech when you claim that you are fighting them.

00:23:46.000 And it is everywhere.

00:23:48.000 And it's disheartening.

00:23:49.000 I'll tell you a story.

00:23:50.000 I think the people who have watched my content consistently know about this.

00:23:55.000 It was called, some refer to it as ad rights sales, ad rights buying.

00:24:01.000 Back in the early 2010s, these up-and-coming digital media outlets would sell the rights, what they would do is they would, I'm sorry, they would buy the rights to views.

00:24:12.000 So let's say you're a company called like, um, uh, bad behavior.com.

00:24:18.000 You know, some word that represents... Why'd you pick one that is clearly going to direct people to hardcore pornography?

00:24:25.000 All right, let's just say... Goodbehavior.com Skittles and rainbows website, okay?

00:24:31.000 Same.

00:24:34.000 Audacious M&M's.

00:24:37.000 Let's say you're a big brand and you get about 30 million views per month.

00:24:41.000 That's not going to cut it.

00:24:42.000 You can sell a premium idea.

00:24:45.000 There would be these low-tier websites.

00:24:47.000 You've seen them before.

00:24:48.000 You'll see an ad and it'll say, guess what this celebrity looks like now. 0.99

00:24:52.000 You click it.

00:24:53.000 and then it'll say here's the celebrity throughout 25 years and every photo has 50 ads and you click next and it loads

00:25:01.000 a new page with 50 ads.

00:25:02.000 What they're doing is harvesting views.

00:25:04.000 Right.

00:25:05.000 So then, this website that nobody knows the name of, nobody visits, tricks you into collecting a view.

00:25:13.000 They then sell the rights to those views to a premium network.

00:25:17.000 The premium network then goes to advertisers and says, our network gets 200 million views per month.

00:25:24.000 And if you advertise with us, you are in that network.

00:25:27.000 And in reality, you only get 30, but they bought the rights Meanwhile, there's some kid who's actually getting 10 million views, right?

00:25:34.000 And he doesn't get the same advertiser rates because he gets burned.

00:25:37.000 And then those kids drop out.

00:25:38.000 Does anyone ever wonder why the burnout rate is so high in this industry?

00:25:42.000 There are so many good people.

00:25:44.000 I mean, you can go back to when I was on PJTV in 2009.

00:25:46.000 People who I worked with.

00:25:47.000 Good, solid people.

00:25:48.000 Who, by the way, had skin in the game.

00:25:49.000 Who had a lot to lose.

00:25:51.000 And you'll never hear from them again.

00:25:53.000 They just go, I'm out.

00:25:54.000 I'm out.

00:25:54.000 They get disenfranchised.

00:25:56.000 They get disenchanted.

00:25:57.000 And that's the issue.

00:25:58.000 Look, it doesn't affect me.

00:26:00.000 I'll be fine either way.

00:26:01.000 But we've always talked about building a bench, and I've always talked about wanting to be able to pass the torch.

00:26:05.000 It's not possible to do this way.

00:26:08.000 And by the way, the way you know this is true is right now I have said I don't want to do this.

00:26:13.000 Again, I've been thinking about this for a long time, trying to work behind the scenes, trying to work within the system, until I realized there's just no interest in doing it that way.

00:26:21.000 And then you say, okay, is our move—this is why we lose.

00:26:24.000 Conservatives wonder, what the hell?

00:26:26.000 What about the midterms? 0.88

00:26:26.000 What the hell happened? 0.88

00:26:28.000 Why do you think?

00:26:28.000 Why do you think people like Lindsey Graham, like Mitch McConnell, nothing personal against them.

00:26:32.000 Why do you think that there are people out there and you go, how do they not get voted out?

00:26:34.000 Why do you think these are our decisions for speaker?

00:26:37.000 These are our choices.

00:26:38.000 Why do you think you constantly lose?

00:26:40.000 Because the people who really do want to be the vanguard at the cutting edge.

00:26:44.000 They burn out and they leave because they can't compete against it.

00:26:47.000 And that's the issue.

00:26:48.000 I gotta tell you, man, I make this point all the time where I just say, for all the people who are claiming I'm a grifter or I only want money and that I don't really believe the things I'm fighting for, I'm like, it would be so much easier to sell everything, shut it all down and just buy some properties, rent them out and not have to worry about any of this.

00:27:04.000 Take money and shut up. 0.94

00:27:05.000 Take money and shut up. 1.00

00:27:07.000 It's not about what's easy. 0.98

00:27:08.000 It's about what matters.

00:27:10.000 And by the way, we want you guys to make money.

00:27:11.000 We want every conservative in this space to run a profitable business.

00:27:14.000 That's what I run.

00:27:15.000 I own a wine business.

00:27:15.000 I started Manuka Honey back then.

00:27:17.000 We want people to make as much money as humanly possible, but do it honestly.

00:27:21.000 And just be honest with people about how you're going to spend that money as well.

00:27:24.000 Well, there's the issue, too, where you're talking about honesty.

00:27:26.000 Is it just friends or is it just business?

00:27:27.000 You kind of have to pick one.

00:27:28.000 Is it a lash out or is it premeditated?

00:27:29.000 You kind of have to pick one.

00:27:32.000 I do want to talk about the friend versus business thing, but I do want to first Jump into a segment where we can talk about $50 million.

00:27:38.000 The big narrative that we were hearing about your argument... Well, it's not anymore, right?

00:27:41.000 They changed it to the phone call.

00:27:43.000 That was the initial narrative, which was a lie.

00:27:44.000 That's a tactic of the left.

00:27:46.000 Gaslight.

00:27:46.000 Let's do the context here.

00:27:49.000 You put out a video, you mention, look at these fees.

00:27:52.000 I never mentioned money outside of what I believe were immoral penalty fees.

00:27:57.000 You've never heard me say, hey, not enough money was offered.

00:27:59.000 That's not what it's about.

00:28:00.000 So when we first were watching the show and we talked about it, I said, what's the fee?

00:28:04.000 We don't know.

00:28:05.000 And then the Daily Wire's response, of course, was, we offered this guy $50 million.

00:28:09.000 Basketball money.

00:28:10.000 Basketball money. 0.99

00:28:10.000 The response then from detractors and most people was, holy crap! 0.99

00:28:15.000 And they're imagining Steven Crowder in a big private bank vault diving into a bunch of gold coins. 0.93

00:28:22.000 When in reality, the $50 million included the entire budget for your whole staff, your whole production facility, every production you would have done.

00:28:29.000 Meaning, you've got to pay, how many employees do you have?

00:28:31.000 About $25,000 soon to be $30,000.

00:28:33.000 Soon to be $30,000.

00:28:35.000 Now if you want to do production on a skit, we're talking maybe $30,000 to $50,000 depending on the size of the skit.

00:28:40.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 Every time we show up to do a change of mind, it's $50,000.

00:28:43.000 Millions in legal each year.

00:28:45.000 Millions of dollars in equipment, payroll.

00:28:48.000 Millions of dollars in taxes.

00:28:50.000 It's the merging of... What was that?

00:28:52.000 It's theft.

00:28:52.000 Yes, I completely agree.

00:28:53.000 Let me just say...

00:28:55.000 I'm on your side on this one.

00:28:57.000 Everybody can know my bias.

00:28:58.000 The reason that really bothered me is because I run a company.

00:29:00.000 I know how much money we make.

00:29:02.000 And there are people who assume that revenue equals money in your pocket profit.

00:29:07.000 And it's like, no, no, no, no.

00:29:07.000 If they're giving him $50 million, it sounds so wonderful to you.

00:29:10.000 They're assuming you're dumb. 1.00

00:29:12.000 They're treating the audience like they're dumb. 1.00

00:29:13.000 Again, I think... Well, no, no, no. 0.98

00:29:14.000 A lot of people don't understand this.

00:29:15.000 No, but here's the thing.

00:29:16.000 People don't understand because they're assuming that you won't go and do research.

00:29:18.000 Look, $50 million basketball money versus $12 million.

00:29:22.000 If, let's say, Marvel says, I don't know, the new Thor movie is $200 million.

00:29:25.000 Is that Hemsworth's salary?

00:29:27.000 It's that simple of an analogy.

00:29:28.000 Yeah.

00:29:29.000 But the issue here, and I'll let Gerald kind of talk about that more.

00:29:31.000 The issue here is, like, I think that these people at Daily Wire, they've said that they're very business savvy.

00:29:34.000 They're running a business.

00:29:35.000 So, are they very business savvy? 0.98

00:29:39.000 Are they dumb and don't know that $12.5 million a year for an entire production house is what we're actually looking at? 0.98

00:29:45.000 Or are they lying when they say it's basketball money and $50 million? 0.99

00:29:49.000 I think Candace Owens at one point got up to like $140 million or something. 1.00

00:29:52.000 So you said you wanted $40 million a year or $140 million?

00:29:55.000 And the only reason people know that's not true, and you've seen the transcript, have you ever seen me once say, hey, it's about more money?

00:30:01.000 There was never an offer sent after I said, look, it's a non-starter.

00:30:07.000 if you don't change these terms, and please tell me that you're not doing this with other people.

00:30:10.000 There was never anything after that, whereas, of course, the non-starter is, I can't do five live reads because we do commercials.

00:30:17.000 I just want to ask one specific question, because a lot of people are bringing this up, and they're accusing you guys of only exposing them after they turned down your counter offer.

00:30:26.000 Is that true, or can you add more information to that?

00:30:29.000 Yeah, I don't care what the contract says dollar-wise.

00:30:31.000 If these terms are in there, that's bad and you need to start again.

00:30:33.000 There was never any counter offer from us.

00:30:36.000 What Stephen said was, basically, look guys, these are the terms that we have a problem with.

00:30:40.000 And if this, I don't care what the contract says dollar wise.

00:30:43.000 If these terms are in there, that's bad, and you need to start again.

00:30:47.000 This has to be pulled out.

00:30:48.000 So there was no counter offer, because I'm seeing a lot of you guys saying.

00:30:51.000 There was the agent, I think my agent, the first, they sent this term sheet.

00:30:54.000 The agent said, well, if you're talking about 100% ownership, by the way, in perpetuity, forever, meaning, and it's a six-year contract, with no option to negotiate.

00:31:01.000 They have an option to extend for two years.

00:31:02.000 Six years, locked in at that rate, and again, right, how do you penalize someone for money that they don't make?

00:31:09.000 They're not going to lose money on you being demonetized.

00:31:11.000 Now, I get that I'm a special situation, but they said this is demanded of everybody.

00:31:14.000 The big con issue is something that I've been running up against and everyone in this industry knows for many, many years.

00:31:22.000 They just were arrogant enough to out themselves and to put it in writing and to say, we know how to run this business.

00:31:29.000 We figured it out.

00:31:30.000 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:31:32.000 And of course, you know, after that, another last straw was, you know, then going and trying to take Take our social media director, and I only showed you that email because he's willing for me to show you.

00:31:42.000 Look, we have our people poached all the time.

00:31:44.000 When you have your ideas stolen and they put more money behind it, not just mine, when you build someone up and someone else comes in and says, hey, we'll offer you more money, they use them for six months and burn them out, I'm sure that's an accident.

00:31:54.000 I'm sure the people at the top of Daily Wire didn't know when they reached out to someone who was not looking for a job, who loudly and proudly advertises himself as social media director for Latter Earth Crowder.

00:32:03.000 But I could tell you that on that phone call, they said, we have an entire social media department, right?

00:32:08.000 I said, I have one guy, Gary, and he's awesome.

00:32:10.000 A few days later.

00:32:11.000 I do want to dedicate more time.

00:32:13.000 Did Gary join Daily Wire?

00:32:14.000 No, no, they came in and tried to hire him.

00:32:16.000 He's not looking for a job.

00:32:17.000 I want to dedicate some more time to, starting from the beginning of the context of that story, but I wanted to address something before Luke jumped in.

00:32:24.000 How dare you, Luke?

00:32:26.000 How dare you, Luke?

00:32:27.000 Go to Florida!

00:32:28.000 I'm sitting here.

00:32:30.000 That was a good question.

00:32:32.000 I want to put a tack on this.

00:32:35.000 One of the big things we're hearing is a friend.

00:32:38.000 You guys were friends.

00:32:41.000 The recording of the phone call and stuff.

00:32:43.000 Thinking about the contract, a four-year contract with an option to renew for two, locking you in at that rate, 12.5, including the entirety of your staff, And it's just business, and I'm kind of like, you know, I hear that.

00:32:55.000 It's not something friends offer their friends.

00:32:57.000 No, is it boilerplate?

00:32:58.000 We send this to everybody?

00:33:00.000 Or is it a friend?

00:33:01.000 You know what it costs to have a lawyer mark up a term sheet?

00:33:04.000 It ends up being thousands of dollars, especially when it's like, look, hit select, all, delete.

00:33:07.000 None of this makes sense.

00:33:08.000 This isn't for someone who's been demonetized, but the problem, and that's when it came down to.

00:33:12.000 Well, you heard in that phone call.

00:33:13.000 I said, take me out of it, right?

00:33:15.000 This is not the right fit, period.

00:33:16.000 I knew that.

00:33:17.000 Please tell me that these are not the terms that are demanded, penalties that you are

00:33:21.000 monetized on YouTube, that you remain on Facebook, that you stay in line.

00:33:25.000 Please tell me these are not the terms that are demanded of everybody." 0.94

00:33:27.000 And I said, those were the last words.

00:33:30.000 He said, yeah, you know, maybe I'll take it under advisement.

00:33:33.000 And then he go, okay, all right, this is where we are.

00:33:35.000 There's no hope for the movement if we claim to be fighting big tech and we sell out the

00:33:39.000 people who are paying us to do so and fighting on behalf of big tech.

00:33:43.000 I'm sorry.

00:33:44.000 It is something – it's wrong.

00:33:45.000 That's wrong.

00:33:56.000 You lost your manager.

00:34:01.000 Candace was on the show and she said, he's doing it for money, it's so obvious, why can't people see it?

00:34:04.000 Do you believe that?

00:34:07.000 No, I don't.

00:34:07.000 Well, they're accusing you of counter-offering.

00:34:09.000 But I understand that.

00:34:10.000 But the first thing I thought was, Crowder's already rich.

00:34:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:16.000 I understand people are looking at contracts.

00:34:17.000 Not really like you'd think.

00:34:19.000 I mean, if they want to do personal tax returns and business tax returns and the charitable givings, we can do that.

00:34:25.000 We can do that.

00:34:27.000 We can do it through a third party and seal them because they get private information.

00:34:29.000 We can do that.

00:34:30.000 Gerald will tell you.

00:34:31.000 This is, again, why I care about the subject matter so much.

00:34:35.000 Running this business and making lots of money, I often say, for a guy like me, growing up in Chicago and being close to the bottom of the totem pole, as an American, which is great for the rest of the world.

00:34:44.000 I mean, America's awesome.

00:34:46.000 The poorest person is wealthy compared to everybody else.

00:34:48.000 But there's a certain point in terms of having things that I could have ever wanted, and it's a very, very low bar.

00:34:55.000 Once I got hired by Disney, the Disney Fusion, they're paying me $250,000.

00:34:58.000 I'm staring at money I have no idea what to do with.

00:35:01.000 Beyond that, I'm going to change the world.

00:35:03.000 I'm going to do everything I can.

00:35:04.000 But this is the thing.

00:35:05.000 The dialogue shifted to money, money, money, money, money, money.

00:35:07.000 You heard me say this is wrong, and then it's money, money, money, just a business.

00:35:10.000 And then it's this is wrong.

00:35:11.000 Money, money, money, money, this is just a business.

00:35:13.000 Look, it's not just a business.

00:35:15.000 And by the way, when you're talking about business, find out what motivates the people you're in business with.

00:35:19.000 I'm not motivated by money.

00:35:20.000 That's not what motivates me.

00:35:21.000 If you look back at the track record in 2009, it was because I wanted to see the system burn, meaning as far as the system that kept conservatives in line.

00:35:30.000 And I mean the liberal system, but then when you realize that it's on your own side.

00:35:33.000 I'm not motivated by money.

00:35:35.000 And by the way, don't leave someone, don't leave someone with nothing to lose. 0.99

00:35:38.000 You know the easiest situation is take the money, shut up.

00:35:41.000 Second easiest is go bet on yourselves. 0.95

00:35:43.000 You've seen the numbers that we've given you there.

00:35:44.000 And guess what? 1.00

00:35:45.000 You make more money, you shut up.

00:35:47.000 The option of say no, And say, look, this is wrong and speak out is significantly harder than any of the other paths.

00:35:53.000 The two things I want to say is my point on the money was I view you in a similar way that you're ideologically driven.

00:36:01.000 That if you have the resources to do what you want to do and you're living comfortably and taking care of your family, beyond that, I don't see you as the kind of guy who's like, I don't have an infinity pool and three Ferraris in my garage.

00:36:11.000 So when they say Crowder is just... What's the infinity pool?

00:36:13.000 Is that the edge?

00:36:14.000 It's where the edge goes off, like, and so, yeah.

00:36:17.000 It looks like a horizon.

00:36:17.000 I have no idea.

00:36:18.000 That sounds nice.

00:36:19.000 I mean, I wouldn't mind one.

00:36:20.000 It's a sewer.

00:36:21.000 But the question is, if you had the choice between an infinity pool and a young, you know, a talented personality who was going to help change the shape of this country for the better, I think you're going to choose to change the shape of this country for better.

00:36:33.000 That's my view of you.

00:36:34.000 A hundred percent.

00:36:34.000 I had to tell this guy that it was okay to buy a reasonably priced shotgun.

00:36:38.000 Yes.

00:36:39.000 I'm not kidding.

00:36:40.000 This is not me stating... Well, he is Canadian.

00:36:42.000 We've been friends for a while.

00:36:45.000 Steven can tell me at any point to go pound sand, right?

00:36:47.000 So I'm not kissing up.

00:36:48.000 It's just like, he's like, guys...

00:36:50.000 What about this shotgun?

00:36:51.000 Benelli M4.

00:36:52.000 It's a good one.

00:36:54.000 I got one.

00:36:54.000 Do you have the H2 over?

00:36:56.000 I have the foldable stock.

00:36:59.000 Is it basketball money?

00:37:01.000 Crazy expensive?

00:37:01.000 No.

00:37:02.000 No, it's not, right?

00:37:04.000 Everyone in America deserves a shotgun.

00:37:05.000 A Benelli, too.

00:37:07.000 We were in Texas together, and you were there when I bought it.

00:37:12.000 We were at a shop out here.

00:37:14.000 Luke said, hey, you should buy that.

00:37:15.000 It's really great.

00:37:16.000 And then he goes, I want it.

00:37:16.000 I buy it.

00:37:18.000 I want it.

00:37:19.000 Was it a finale?

00:37:20.000 I was pissed off because I was like, I didn't think.

00:37:22.000 I was like, I should have bought this.

00:37:23.000 And then he bought it before me.

00:37:24.000 I'm like wait wait wait.

00:37:25.000 So wait, hold on, hold on, this is funny.

00:37:26.000 We had a whole argument.

00:37:27.000 John was with, by the way, how many people are watching right now?

00:37:30.000 150,000-ish.

00:37:31.000 158.

00:37:32.000 On our channel, 158,000.

00:37:33.000 158,000.

00:37:34.000 So what?

00:37:35.000 158, is that a?

00:37:36.000 Yeah, 158,000.

00:37:37.000 That's just on your channel, that's why we're still streaming on ours, right?

00:37:39.000 I think second highest number we've ever done.

00:37:42.000 Just on our YouTube alone.

00:37:43.000 Did you want to say transfer?

00:37:44.000 No, so it wasn't really a point, it was the Benelli M4, right?

00:37:47.000 So what happened is I really wanted, but they're not cheap.

00:37:49.000 And I was like, you know what, I can't justify buying them, I should go buy it online.

00:37:52.000 And so I was talking with Gerald and Johnny Boy, who you met, my Canadian friend, I said,

00:37:55.000 okay, you know what, if I go into, because you know they're like unicorns, they sell

00:37:58.000 out right away.

00:37:59.000 I said if I go into a gun store to pick something up, and it happens to be there, that's God

00:38:03.000 telling me he wants me to have a Benelli M4.

00:38:06.000 I went to go pick up some transfers from Walther and lo and behold, I see one there, just came

00:38:10.000 in and it's the H2O version, the Cerakoted version.

00:38:14.000 And I don't think you were with me, but Johnny Boy was.

00:38:16.000 And I was like, you know what, I still don't think I can justify it.

00:38:20.000 He said if you don't pay for it, I'm going to buy it.

00:38:23.000 And of course, I knew that it would be far more expensive for him, so I bought it, but it took a long time.

00:38:27.000 I'm not really motivated, but it is a nice shotgun, though, I will say.

00:38:30.000 Occasionally, there are some things that we're going to spend money on.

00:38:32.000 Any tool that you want to learn something with, like a guitar, too.

00:38:32.000 Oh, a tool.

00:38:35.000 You want to get a good, a really good tool.

00:38:37.000 Yeah, or like knives, like if I have, like there's a huge, with steel and that's, okay, sorry, Tim, I know we're giving you.

00:38:42.000 Let's go, let's go.

00:38:43.000 I love the Benelli stuff because I got one.

00:38:45.000 I wanted to make, I got to make a point about, you said in 2009, you, you were like, you realize that the liberal system is holding you back or something to the effect.

00:38:53.000 And then you eventually realize it's on your side as well.

00:38:55.000 Yeah.

00:38:56.000 I look over to Luke because Luke's the guy who's been screaming since 2006, like the Republican machine is lying to you all the same.

00:39:02.000 The powers that were being given to the Intel agencies and the establishment will be used against you.

00:39:07.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:39:07.000 Here we are.

00:39:08.000 You're absolutely right.

00:39:09.000 And let's be honest, right?

00:39:10.000 How can you change all that yourself?

00:39:12.000 You're doing the best that you can, right?

00:39:13.000 But there's only so much that you can do.

00:39:14.000 The difference is right now, at this point in inflection point history, as it relates to right-wing conservative media, I can do something.

00:39:22.000 I can't change the intelligence agencies.

00:39:24.000 But you know what, when I ask Kerry Lake on the show, I say, would you disband the FBI?

00:39:27.000 Yeah, I would.

00:39:28.000 Boom.

00:39:29.000 Gone.

00:39:29.000 Suspended.

00:39:30.000 I can do something about that.

00:39:31.000 I can't change the CIA or the FBI.

00:39:33.000 You're probably more effective with that than I am.

00:39:35.000 I'm an entertainment guy.

00:39:36.000 I was a guy telling jokes in clubs, having beer bottles thrown at me when I was 17 years old, voicing, you know, a black bear who was the best friend of an aardvark when I was 12, which is clearly derived from hallucinogenic drugs.

00:39:49.000 I love that show.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, you know, it's funny.

00:39:51.000 I had to do the Kwanzaa rep, if ever you want to find something embarrassing, for the Christmas episode.

00:39:55.000 And that's when I was 13 years old.

00:39:57.000 And I was like, oh, Kwanzaa.

00:39:57.000 And I was like, let me look into this.

00:39:58.000 I should, you know, Daniel Day-Lewis this. 1.00

00:40:00.000 And then I realized, oh, it's bullshit. 0.99

00:40:03.000 It's Ron Everett. 1.00

00:40:04.000 And he beat them with fire hoses and soldering irons.

00:40:07.000 And then I'm doing this song for Arthur.

00:40:08.000 Hey, come together now.

00:40:10.000 It's Kwanzaa time.

00:40:11.000 And I wanted to- Was the pay worth it?

00:40:15.000 I still remember we were called crazy truthers for calling this out as rationally as we did, saying, hey, the national security state is going to be turned around against you, and it has.

00:40:28.000 At that time, specifically, we had a discourse that was kind of free and open.

00:40:31.000 We didn't have algorithms.

00:40:33.000 People were able to see important messages and videos and talking points and content creators.

00:40:37.000 Now we're living in a different age.

00:40:38.000 I wanted to kind of get your point of view.

00:40:40.000 Some people say you have to keep pushing the Overton window.

00:40:43.000 Some people say you got to keep playing ball.

00:40:45.000 Mark Dice is also in the chat.

00:40:46.000 He just is accusing Ben Shapiro of allegedly paying $135,000 to boost his Facebook posts.

00:40:52.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:40:53.000 Well, who cares though?

00:40:54.000 He can do that.

00:40:55.000 The only issue I have is when that's used and it hurts people because sponsors drop out because they don't get their money's worth.

00:41:01.000 Again, I could tell you that, but would those receipts be a betrayal?

00:41:04.000 Because this industry fundamentally needs to change.

00:41:06.000 People are investing in you and in us and in what you're saying.

00:41:09.000 If you can't say what it is that you're saying right now, let's say if you sent a contract that said, yeah, but you know what?

00:41:13.000 We have a lot of buddies in those systems.

00:41:15.000 You're selling out the people who are supporting you, and that's something that to me is unconscionable.

00:41:20.000 And people can disagree with it, but no, I think you're absolutely right.

00:41:24.000 So what would be the total solution?

00:41:25.000 I want to get into the problem-solving, like what would you do if you were the Daily Wire?

00:41:29.000 Okay, so the only thing, and this is the thing, this is all done right now.

00:41:32.000 I'm not saying that I have all the answers, but the first answer, and I've said we won't talk about this again, if someone takes a pledge alongside me, anyone in Big Con, just the only thing that I ask is that you do not punish conservative content creators on behalf of big tech.

00:41:47.000 That's it.

00:41:47.000 Start with that.

00:41:48.000 Let's start with that.

00:41:49.000 Before we get to everything else, a lot of times people want the entire solution.

00:41:52.000 Just start with that.

00:41:53.000 You won't be penalized 25% if you're demonetized on YouTube by the people who are supposed to be fighting for you.

00:41:59.000 Now let's address the argument there.

00:42:02.000 The argument they've made is, why should we be the ones to lose money if you're removed from the platform and not making the

00:42:09.000 money.

00:42:09.000 And that sounds really great, right? It's a partnership.

00:42:11.000 That's what they were talking about. They were trying to pick a partnership and put it

00:42:14.000 into contract form, or at least in this, you know, like a term sheet, right? Well, what it

00:42:18.000 didn't take into account, honestly, is what if Stephen—okay, it's $12.5 million. What if he's

00:42:24.000 making them $30 million?

00:42:27.000 That's a starting point.

00:42:28.000 That's a guarantee.

00:42:29.000 Yeah.

00:42:29.000 What if he's making them $30 million dollars a year and all of a sudden, instead of making $30,000, they subtract $2,000 from that.

00:42:34.000 So, it's fine to share in these things when the expenses come up, but when the upside comes up, we're not really in a partnership anymore.

00:42:40.000 This wasn't about money, guys.

00:42:42.000 We would be the only ones at risk.

00:42:43.000 It's just disingenuous.

00:42:43.000 The only ones at risk.

00:42:44.000 I'm already demonetized.

00:42:45.000 I can hear Jeremy being like, it was a term sheet!

00:42:47.000 I wouldn't negotiate it!

00:42:49.000 I can hear him. 1.00

00:42:49.000 Well, look, I can write that I want to have sex with your wife on a term sheet. 1.00

00:42:52.000 No, I thought you were going to write like that! 1.00

00:42:55.000 Okay George Costanza, I had sex with your wife! 1.00

00:42:57.000 This is a good point. 1.00

00:42:59.000 It penalized you.

00:43:02.000 If you get banned, you lose X percent.

00:43:07.000 No matter how much you're making.

00:43:07.000 Forty-five.

00:43:08.000 No matter how much you're making, and no matter how much you lose.

00:43:10.000 Yeah.

00:43:11.000 If you lose zero dollars, they penalize you.

00:43:13.000 And the penalties add up to 110%, and they said in their own video, this is demanded of all creators, right?

00:43:19.000 Does anyone disagree that that's what was said?

00:43:20.000 This is what everyone signs.

00:43:22.000 Now, here's the issue with that.

00:43:24.000 Again, you don't put it in if you don't want that.

00:43:26.000 The counterpoint, Candace said, is she negotiated. 0.99

00:43:29.000 She hired a lawyer. 0.82

00:43:30.000 Yeah.

00:43:31.000 Steven Crowder has the resources to hire a lawyer and redline this.

00:43:33.000 Sure.

00:43:34.000 I thought we were good friends.

00:43:37.000 I figured out why Candice was so pissed last week when she came in. 1.00

00:43:40.000 I figured it out.

00:43:41.000 I'll tell you about it in a second.

00:43:43.000 Let's talk about the friends thing.

00:43:44.000 This is actually a really good point.

00:43:46.000 You recorded co-CEO of Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, on a phone call.

00:43:50.000 He says, I thought we were friends.

00:43:52.000 A lot of people have said, wow, that was a mess of a thing to do.

00:43:55.000 It sounds like what you're saying, in the context we were just talking, they sent you a business contract that was very bad.

00:44:01.000 that penalized you 110% if all fees are applied, more money than they would actually pay you.

00:44:08.000 And it didn't take into consideration if you made them more money. It didn't take into

00:44:11.000 consideration how much money you made them. It didn't take into consideration if you were

00:44:15.000 banned from Facebook, but Facebook generated no revenue, it still penalized you.

00:44:18.000 Yeah, that's part of it.

00:44:19.000 So here's what I'm hearing. Here's what I'm thinking. If the question is,

00:44:22.000 and I do have qualms about recording, the recording, but we'll get into more detail.

00:44:28.000 Mm-hmm.

00:44:29.000 They say you were supposed to be friends.

00:44:31.000 Why would you record your friend's phone call?

00:44:33.000 There's an interesting point to be made.

00:44:34.000 Why would your friend send you A very, very bad contract that felt exploitative.

00:44:41.000 And why would a friend not listen to you when you say, take me off the table, it's not a fit.

00:44:45.000 There was never, just to be clear, there was never another offer that came through after I said, these are the non-starters.

00:44:51.000 The penalties for big tech, right?

00:44:53.000 The owning of people's names, image, likeness, their platforms in perpetuity long after they leave.

00:44:59.000 I said, then we can talk about the money, right?

00:45:01.000 He said they came in low, and I'm sure my gay, Cuban, hardcore, right-wing agent came in high. 0.95

00:45:06.000 You find that, but it's like, but there can't be any terms without this.

00:45:09.000 Once I said that can't happen, these terms, the big tech penalties, that's when the talks completely stopped.

00:45:15.000 It was never changed and said, of course all these, it's like you saw in the first video, we have to make money.

00:45:19.000 They outright said that fee structure couldn't be changed.

00:45:23.000 Yeah, there was never another offer after that.

00:45:24.000 I said, look, this is the sticking point.

00:45:26.000 You have to get rid of all of these.

00:45:27.000 Change it.

00:45:28.000 And also, we can't do this.

00:45:30.000 I'd love to sit from one business owner to another.

00:45:32.000 You don't have to do it this way, right?

00:45:34.000 A good example is, look, and I feel vulgar talking about numbers, election night.

00:45:39.000 Okay, election night.

00:45:40.000 We had been suspended for having Carrie Lake on.

00:45:42.000 The entire Daily Wire cast on YouTube, less than a quarter of the viewers that we had

00:45:47.000 on Rumble.

00:45:48.000 When we crossed streams, their viewership went up 30,000, 40,000 people.

00:45:52.000 That's proof of product that, hey, look, proof of concept.

00:45:55.000 You can do it off of YouTube.

00:45:56.000 You don't have to.

00:45:57.000 I think you use the platform as long as you can, but you need to start building alternatives.

00:46:01.000 It is fundamental to the business model on the right to not change that.

00:46:06.000 And I'll just point out that we have about 120,000 more live viewers than we average

00:46:11.000 with you being here.

00:46:13.000 I think DailyWire's got some creative, like, a lot of opportunity on their website, because, like, if all your back catalog was on DailyWire, at no cost to anybody, and they could go into DailyWire, log in, and then I spend 99 cents on a Crowder video, and then that money gets split between you guys.

00:46:26.000 Like, there's a lot of technical possibilities.

00:46:28.000 Well, they're already doing over 300,000 MugClip subscribers day one, right?

00:46:32.000 Now, the issue here is, let's take me out of it.

00:46:36.000 Let's say you're starting your own thing, right?

00:46:37.000 You're trying to come up in this movement and the terms are being set by people on your side behind the scenes where this is the ball that you have to play.

00:46:45.000 I said, did you take me out of it?

00:46:48.000 It's not the right fit, which I thought if I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, it won't fall on deaf ears when I say, Hey, it's about the, it's about the next kid.

00:46:55.000 This can't work.

00:46:55.000 We can't have a movement.

00:46:57.000 We can't sell our people out.

00:46:58.000 And that's how I view it.

00:46:59.000 Maybe you don't.

00:47:00.000 They said, this is just a business.

00:47:01.000 These are the terms.

00:47:02.000 But there are alternatives.

00:47:03.000 You don't have to be dependent on YouTube or Facebook.

00:47:06.000 And you certainly shouldn't make it fundamental to your business model when you're telling people that you're fighting them.

00:47:11.000 This has been going on for years.

00:47:13.000 Years.

00:47:14.000 And not just Daily Wire, to be clear.

00:47:15.000 Not just Daily Wire.

00:47:18.000 Pick a name in the movement.

00:47:19.000 Most likely, yes.

00:47:20.000 Here's my view of it.

00:47:21.000 I think The Daily Wire does important work, good work.

00:47:25.000 Candace Owens' BLM documentary I think was good.

00:47:28.000 What Is A Woman I think was a massive success.

00:47:32.000 What Is A Woman reached people that I know that aren't political, and that's a cultural force. 1.00

00:47:40.000 I talked with them.

00:47:41.000 We had a meeting.

00:47:41.000 I sat down with Jeremy, with a few of the other guys, but mostly with Jeremy.

00:47:44.000 Jeremy came on the show.

00:47:46.000 Afterwards, he said, hey, if there's anything you ever need, just let us know.

00:47:49.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:47:51.000 And I was like, I'll hit you up sometime.

00:47:52.000 We talked about doing Nashville Week because we wanted to try out our new mobile studio.

00:47:57.000 Then we got, you know, while we're in the process of setting this up, I said, well, let's talk.

00:48:00.000 I mean, is there a way we can maximize the effectiveness of our operations?

00:48:03.000 You guys are way bigger than us.

00:48:05.000 But of course there could be an opportunity that we don't understand that you do.

00:48:05.000 Of course.

00:48:09.000 And so we started talking about a variety of different things.

00:48:11.000 Ultimately, it came to potential terms, it came to requirements.

00:48:18.000 Of all the businesses I've ever negotiated with, the most real in my opinion was with Jeremy.

00:48:25.000 It was like I was talking to an actual human being who knew what he meant, who explained the pitfalls, the pros and cons.

00:48:32.000 Look, if we do a deal like this, you're right, it's gonna suck because of that reason.

00:48:35.000 That's true.

00:48:36.000 And I said, I don't know if that's gonna work for us.

00:48:36.000 What do you think?

00:48:38.000 The joke is, I actually said, what if I wanna put up a billboard that says Liz Cheney's a fat pig? 0.98

00:48:42.000 And he was like, that's not us. 0.98

00:48:44.000 We're not.

00:48:45.000 You couldn't find one big enough?

00:48:47.000 Right.

00:48:47.000 But I said, I'm not literally going to do that.

00:48:51.000 I feel it is kind of crude saying that point.

00:48:53.000 But the point I'm trying to make is that we're roguish.

00:48:56.000 We want to do weird things.

00:48:57.000 The ultimate conclusion was, maybe we can't work transactionally together.

00:49:02.000 And I was like, yeah.

00:49:03.000 But we'll do other cool stuff.

00:49:05.000 We'll talk with your guys on our shows.

00:49:09.000 We'll have you on.

00:49:09.000 You can come on.

00:49:10.000 It'll be really great for everybody.

00:49:11.000 And so my view was like, I agree with you on the contract stuff.

00:49:15.000 But why did it really fall apart?

00:49:16.000 Why did it completely fall apart?

00:49:20.000 What you're saying is they were saying, you need to be in this box.

00:49:22.000 Because it's not about the billboard, let's be honest.

00:49:23.000 It's not just about the billboard.

00:49:24.000 Well, the billboard was the box.

00:49:26.000 It was like, if I wanted to do something that was aggressive and more shocking, the billboard is that point. 0.98

00:49:35.000 I don't want to put up a billboard calling Liz Cheney a fat pig. 1.00

00:49:38.000 Can I ask you something? 0.99

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 Did they do the thing where they said, we're trying to look at outside capital for you for the first time, we couldn't make it work?

00:49:45.000 They didn't do that?

00:49:48.000 I don't want to give up too much of the details of the conversation we had, but I basically said, let's just say I made a big ask of the biggest asks.

00:49:56.000 That if what you're saying has to be this way, then I have a very, very big ask.

00:50:02.000 And they were like, yeah, that's expensive, I don't know if we can do that.

00:50:04.000 And I was like, look, I don't understand the reference.

00:50:06.000 I don't either.

00:50:06.000 Do you not?

00:50:07.000 I don't.

00:50:07.000 They're warriors of God.

00:50:08.000 They play Paladin, I play Rogue.

00:50:10.000 Someone commented in super chat...

00:50:11.000 I don't understand the reference.

00:50:12.000 I'll explain right now.

00:50:13.000 Do you not?

00:50:14.000 Someone super chatted, they're trying to be rebels within the box.

00:50:17.000 They're warriors of God.

00:50:19.000 That's a Paladin.

00:50:20.000 Basically, think of a stoic monk, a knight following the rules, holding his sword saying,

00:50:25.000 look, the rules are as such, we will do right to the best of our abilities.

00:50:30.000 Whereas we here at SimCast are like a bunch of crackpots in the bandit's forest being like, we're going to do what we want to do.

00:50:36.000 It's like the Lost Boys out here.

00:50:37.000 It's a skate park, it's like a bunch of mopeds.

00:50:41.000 I thought you were going to throw a basketball in my face and ask me to play.

00:50:43.000 I wanted to yell a banger. 1.00

00:50:44.000 I did bring you to the basketball court.

00:50:46.000 You did?

00:50:50.000 Again, this is not about The Daily Wire.

00:50:53.000 There are a few key companies that control what is permissible in this movement.

00:50:58.000 And these few key companies are saying, this is the only way.

00:51:02.000 I'm saying there could be many ways.

00:51:04.000 It would be one thing if we're saying, hey, maybe this way, maybe this other way.

00:51:07.000 But now this sort of reeks of, why don't you go and create your own YouTube?

00:51:10.000 Why don't you go and create your own?

00:51:12.000 Find billionaire investors to give you seed money.

00:51:14.000 Well, how do you do that when then, this happens a lot, ideas are stolen and then millions pump behind it

00:51:20.000 to promote it as though it seems original and then they steal your talent who you foster.

00:51:24.000 You know, you've probably had this happen.

00:51:26.000 I've had it happen with dozens of people.

00:51:28.000 The picture I sent you of people working at our company, there's at least four or five there who worked for me.

00:51:34.000 They were young.

00:51:35.000 Other big networks in this space came in, offered them a bunch of money.

00:51:39.000 I said, look, I'm not going to keep you.

00:51:40.000 I give you a letter of recommendation.

00:51:42.000 After six months, they come back.

00:51:44.000 So I wanted to address what you were just saying about these companies playing by the rules.

00:51:48.000 That's completely my experience with a lot of these different companies, is that big tech is clearly infiltrated by... I mean, look, Alan Bakari, I think it was, got his hands on that Google video where they were crying that Trump won.

00:52:03.000 This is Google.

00:52:05.000 I love this.

00:52:06.000 On my Wikipedia it says Tim Pool maintains that there's a bias in big tech against conservatives or whatever.

00:52:13.000 Sure.

00:52:13.000 And I'm like, no I don't!

00:52:14.000 I read a Gizmodo article from 2016 that said Facebook was suspending conservative news outlets.

00:52:19.000 I was in there!

00:52:20.000 That's how I met my half-Asian lawyer, Bill Richman.

00:52:22.000 He read the article and he was like, yeah, it's like the Chris Kyle Foundation, Ted Cruz for president, and you, you need some representation.

00:52:30.000 They act like it was a smear against me that I was pushing conspiracy theories when I was literally reading the left news sources.

00:52:38.000 So anyway.

00:52:39.000 And Luke's saying, told you. 1.00

00:52:41.000 They set these terms, these big tech companies, and then what happens is the leftist organizations clearly say the stupidest and craziest things. 0.99

00:52:50.000 You know ChatGPT, the AI bot? 0.89

00:52:52.000 It was, I think, Jack Posobiec who asked it, or he tweeted this out, when asked, did Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow spread COVID misinformation?

00:52:59.000 It says, no, they didn't.

00:53:01.000 And it was like, well, they, Did, literally, we know for a fact they did.

00:53:06.000 And then it goes on and says, well, while they acknowledge some mistakes, no, no, no, the whole machine is skewed in that direction.

00:53:13.000 What happens then is, big tech company, I shouldn't say big tech, I'm sorry, many of these big conservative outlets, I shouldn't even say necessarily conservative outlets, but many of these companies are just like, we're gonna set the parameters right here because We're going to be within the box.

00:53:28.000 We're going to be rebels within the box.

00:53:29.000 Is this the problem, and I'm finding why I think Candace was pissed too, is that when we refer to companies doing thing, and what happens is, the company is a hologram.

00:53:38.000 It doesn't have any availability or any ability to do anything.

00:53:42.000 So when you're negotiating, for instance, it comes out, Steve and Kraut are negotiating with the Daily Wire, quote.

00:53:47.000 And that brings all these other Daily Wire employees into it.

00:53:49.000 They were getting messages, Candace was, Michael knows, on their chats, and they're like, now I'm involved, because it was between you and Jeremy Boring.

00:53:56.000 Ben Shapiro.

00:53:57.000 There's actually four owners to The Daily Wire.

00:53:59.000 Ferris Wilkes and Caleb Robinson, owned by Bent Key Ventures.

00:54:02.000 So you're only in negotiation with four people.

00:54:04.000 If we stop saying, YouTube is doing this, we're going to get a lot more accurate in the people.

00:54:10.000 Who's doing it?

00:54:11.000 Who's using YouTube as a filler?

00:54:13.000 I want to know.

00:54:14.000 And also that leaves out unnecessary collateral damage.

00:54:17.000 Well, like I was saying, it's like they send out on YouTube, you know, they send out representatives of conservatives and they're patsies for the higher ups.

00:54:23.000 But when you get, coming back to you time and time again, you know, if you did what Company X, if you did what Company X, meaning big conservative companies who have meetings with them, if you did that, we might be able to get you remonetized or at least not suspended.

00:54:34.000 And that's what, I mean, this is the thing.

00:54:36.000 Is there any examples you could give us about key issues specifically about that?

00:54:40.000 Yeah, anything relating, you know, back in the day on trans issues.

00:54:44.000 You know, for example, we had a character, like we did for a long time, Tranny Bane was a character that we did.

00:54:48.000 It was the Bane Dark Knight series, and the whole idea was an uprising, you know, Arkham Asylum against YouTube.

00:54:51.000 They said, you can't do that anymore.

00:54:53.000 There was one where they said, you can't sell off-site the socialism shirt that we had, which wasn't even on YouTube.

00:54:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:59.000 The socialism is for fig shirt.

00:55:01.000 You know, another funny story about that?

00:55:02.000 I've never seen John laugh so hard, was we started selling on the website, because socialism is for figs.

00:55:07.000 It's a play on words.

00:55:07.000 You may not like it, but people also need to know Che Guevara Executed gays, right?

00:55:11.000 This is a guy, when you wear a Che Guevara shirt, you're wearing a Hitler who was less successful in being charismatic and duping people. 0.83

00:55:18.000 I'm not saying Hitler was successful, I'm saying he was a genocidal maniac. 0.94

00:55:22.000 So, of course we're mocking him. 0.59

00:55:23.000 YouTube says, well you can't do that, that shirt is hate speech.

00:55:25.000 It's off the platform.

00:55:26.000 So what we ended up selling at the Crowder shop was a mystery box.

00:55:31.000 And I get a call from one of the most senior executives at YouTube, and I go, what?

00:55:38.000 We know what's in the box.

00:55:40.000 I was like, I'm thinking someone in Silicon Valley is opening it, like, FIRE!

00:55:45.000 And so we stopped selling, but that's something that's completely off the platform.

00:55:48.000 But the point is, right, you need to be, there needs to be someone standing up to these giant organizations.

00:55:53.000 And when you say, like Jeremy said in his video, well, you know, we only met with Susan Wojcicki once and we were really going in and defending Susan.

00:55:59.000 I said, OK, hold on a second.

00:56:01.000 Are you the biggest, most influential, fastest growing conservative network in the world?

00:56:05.000 Or, did you spend time going in and fighting for the little guy and were completely ineffectual?

00:56:09.000 You can't have both.

00:56:11.000 One of those things is true. 0.55

00:56:12.000 The inconsistencies are the issue here, and that's a tactic of the left.

00:56:15.000 Here's I fully expect them to come out and say, this is a lie, this is a lie, switch the narrative from the phone call, switch the narrative from the money, now that that's gone, probably a hit list like the Vox Adpocalypse, probably get personal, this is why people don't speak out, this is why good people don't run for office, and we shouldn't be doing that on the right.

00:56:32.000 I want to pull up this story right here.

00:56:37.000 I want to look at this email that you've shown me.

00:56:40.000 The Daily Wire tried poaching one of your employees and what would make this significant is if this happened after your negotiations.

00:56:51.000 Okay, so after you were talking with the Daily Wire about potentially doing a deal, they reach out to your employees, and I'm looking at the email right here saying that they came across the social media manager, hey, they got a great opportunity, join the new counterculture, it says.

00:57:08.000 They emailed your staff and said, come work for us instead.

00:57:11.000 That doesn't sound like something a friend would do.

00:57:13.000 And the only reason I'm showing you that is I'm not going to be showing receipts from third parties who are blameless victims.

00:57:20.000 Gary said you can show that.

00:57:22.000 He came right to me and said, hey, look, this came up.

00:57:23.000 I said, hey, they'll probably offer you more money.

00:57:26.000 And I'll write you a letter of recommendation.

00:57:28.000 He said, no, I know you guys want to be monetized.

00:57:31.000 And the issue that that took place in the conversation might even be in the one that you saw where I said, like, they're like, well, you know, we do have a social media department.

00:57:37.000 So I got, you know, we do it here.

00:57:39.000 That was the one thing that we talked about maybe splitting, I think at some point, I said, I have Gary, and he's awesome.

00:57:44.000 So he was he was named.

00:57:45.000 How long after you did that call about the term sheet?

00:57:49.000 Did they send this email?

00:57:51.000 I don't know the date.

00:57:51.000 I know it was definitely after the talks completely fell through.

00:57:54.000 So here's, I mean, you probably have the time, but what happened is there was a week where the election happened, right?

00:57:59.000 Rumble, because we were banned from YouTube going into the election, which I'm sure was a chance, just happenstance.

00:58:04.000 And then we did that.

00:58:07.000 And I thought I was really kind of securing the future, you know, for my children.

00:58:09.000 I'm like, OK, there are other players in this space.

00:58:11.000 People kind of know I'm a free agent.

00:58:13.000 Our performance on election night is going to be big because last time it was the biggest election stream ever, right?

00:58:17.000 It was like 16, 17 million people across the platforms.

00:58:19.000 We're only doing it on Rumble, so we wanted to do that, and I was really nervous.

00:58:22.000 Okay, it went well.

00:58:23.000 Then I did two shows at the Ryman, the original Grand Ole Opry, in Nashville.

00:58:29.000 And some Daily Wire people came out, and the shows went really well.

00:58:33.000 I mean, eventually the release is special, but people need to see the clips.

00:58:37.000 How about Standing O? 0.98

00:58:38.000 Yeah, Standing O to both shows.

00:58:39.000 And Dave was there and did fantastically well, too.

00:58:41.000 And you think, okay, you can't do any better.

00:58:43.000 Reuben?

00:58:44.000 No, no, it was just me and Dave.

00:58:45.000 Oh, Dave Landau.

00:58:46.000 Dave Landau, yeah, yeah.

00:58:47.000 No, no, no.

00:58:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:48.000 I guess, yeah, I guess it could have been Ruben.

00:58:50.000 I guess he does count himself with Peterson.

00:58:51.000 Yeah, Landau.

00:58:52.000 And then after that... You gave me that look.

00:58:55.000 No, no, I was just very confused.

00:58:58.000 I thought that there were hallucinogens in here from... That's the first thing he asked me.

00:59:01.000 He's like, have you ever taken hallucinogens?

00:59:02.000 He said it wasn't in there.

00:59:04.000 Then after that, we had those conversations about, like, these are the sticking points, right?

00:59:09.000 And please, like, we also got to figure out a better way to do this because it stifles the movement.

00:59:15.000 After that, it was, yeah, we're not going to be able to come to any kind of terms.

00:59:18.000 And that was, for sure, after that conversation, I made one final plea.

00:59:23.000 One final plea and that called, like, just take me off the table.

00:59:26.000 Promise me you won't do it to other people.

00:59:28.000 And the question is, Look, was your understanding when you invest money, when you subscribe, was your understanding that all conservative talent out there, nearly all,

00:59:38.000 are penalized if they're demonetized? Was that your understanding?

00:59:41.000 Was that your understanding that then they are penalized if they are suspended,

00:59:43.000 then they are penalized if they don't take as many life?

00:59:46.000 Was that your understanding when you were investing in people going out there and

00:59:49.000 fighting for you? Because I know the feedback that I get at these live shows with thousands

00:59:53.000 of people at every event, and it's not a hard-earned dollar that I take lightly.

00:59:57.000 People feel powerless. They say, there's only so much I can do. At least that guy can go out

01:00:02.000 and fight for me.

01:00:03.000 And I'd like it to be these guys and girls, not a guy.

01:00:06.000 And for context, too, it's very important.

01:00:07.000 These fees pertain to strikes and bannings on the major big tech platforms, irrespective of your viewership on the alternatives we're all trying to help.

01:00:15.000 Or subscribership.

01:00:16.000 Or subscribers or sponsors.

01:00:17.000 And it's demonetization, too.

01:00:20.000 Here's an important picture that should be painted.

01:00:21.000 A lot of people are saying, you know, Crowder, you recorded Jeremy.

01:00:25.000 That's not what friends do.

01:00:26.000 They're surprised by it.

01:00:27.000 But here's what I'm seeing now.

01:00:29.000 And, you know, putting myself in the middle of this.

01:00:32.000 You're always in the middle of it, too.

01:00:34.000 Of course, that's what I do, right?

01:00:35.000 But look, you go to the Daily Wire.

01:00:37.000 Dr. Phil, now your term sheet.

01:00:39.000 You go to the Daily Wire.

01:00:40.000 They say, here's a term sheet.

01:00:41.000 You go, whoa, this is crazy.

01:00:43.000 Hey, you can't do this.

01:00:44.000 The Daily Wire then says, all of a sudden, but a few months later, Crowder registers StopPigCon.

01:00:50.000 Then he calls and secretly records Jeremy.

01:00:52.000 He was setting us up.

01:00:53.000 This email right here paints a different picture, in that you talked with the Daily Wire and said, Here's our issue.

01:01:01.000 Here's what we can't do.

01:01:02.000 And they said, okay.

01:01:03.000 And then sometime later, they try... You know, they said, if that's the issue, this is our business model and you don't know business.

01:01:10.000 But then they try and poach one of your employees.

01:01:12.000 One of your... And that could be an accident, but it's not the first time.

01:01:16.000 You mentioned him by name, and employee poaching is considered vulture-ish as it is, but it is business.

01:01:24.000 And by the way, there's a huge difference between employees reaching out to you in a company and you fielding it, which happens, versus going to someone who is clearly not available, who was mentioned by name.

01:01:35.000 Saying, this guy is awesome.

01:01:37.000 And Gary's hilarious, because he's Russian, he was born and raised in Russia until he was 13, but he seems totally American.

01:01:41.000 No accent, but then occasionally you realize he'll say something out of context, like I can kill two birds and get stoned or something.

01:01:48.000 That's me!

01:01:49.000 That's me!

01:01:50.000 But I'm Polish, mixed metaphors.

01:01:52.000 So were you raised in Poland?

01:01:53.000 Okay, so there you go, no one would guess.

01:01:53.000 Yes.

01:01:54.000 They call him Lucas.

01:01:54.000 So those first few years, did you have those disconnects where people are like, are you not, and you're like, I don't understand, whatever.

01:02:00.000 First few years, he still does it!

01:02:01.000 I still do it all the time, yeah, all the time.

01:02:04.000 This is the point I'm trying to make.

01:02:06.000 The picture painted so far was that you all of a sudden set up this plan to get the Daily Wire and they were blindsided by it.

01:02:13.000 But it actually seems like now there was a bit of a back and forth in that you said, hey guys, I don't like this.

01:02:19.000 Then they say, well, that's a business.

01:02:20.000 Then they try to poach one of your employees.

01:02:22.000 Then you're like, okay, this is, it sounds like... It's been going on for...

01:02:27.000 And everyone in this space knows it.

01:02:27.000 Years.

01:02:29.000 Everyone in this space knows it.

01:02:30.000 This is not an issue of, they had a polite conversation with you and said, we're sorry, we disagree, and then you devised a plan to come after them.

01:02:37.000 No.

01:02:37.000 Then the Daily Wire comes and tries to poach an employee, then you guys are like, these kind of business practices can't continue.

01:02:44.000 No, and it was always about the terms, and it's stupid to say that this was our plan to get subscribers.

01:02:49.000 I'm sorry.

01:02:50.000 I get a little bit pissed off with this because that means that you didn't pay any attention at all to Mug Club Forever.

01:02:55.000 That was us getting in touch with our subscribers and making sure that whatever home we went to, on our own, with somebody else, we were going to have access to the people that paid for our content.

01:03:05.000 This was not a plan that was hatched to make sure that we could ride off into freedom and do whatever the hell we wanted with this really great email list.

01:03:12.000 It would be the hardest way for that.

01:03:14.000 We said it.

01:03:15.000 Yeah, it was clear.

01:03:15.000 And you saw the numbers there.

01:03:17.000 It sounds like you guys are right on the precipice of creating your own network or your own website where people pay you $10 a month and just get access to that.

01:03:24.000 And I really don't want to have to do that.

01:03:25.000 Here's the thing, right?

01:03:25.000 Wouldn't it be great if you could link arms with the self-professed, most powerful people on our side who are supposedly fighting for us, but the problem is when they say, we have no interest in doing that, you go, wait, hold on a second, hold on a second, hold on a second.

01:03:36.000 Here's the good news.

01:03:37.000 I bring tidings of great joy.

01:03:38.000 We can get just as many viewers on Rumble as you can on YouTube.

01:03:40.000 And by the way, stay on YouTube, but just don't punish conservatives for being demonetized.

01:03:45.000 This is the business.

01:03:46.000 We know.

01:03:47.000 No one else does.

01:03:48.000 I don't want to start a network.

01:03:50.000 If you guys could counter-offer, what would be the things you would counter-offer right now?

01:03:53.000 What deal would you guys take from a big company?

01:03:56.000 Let's not just say The Daily Wire.

01:03:57.000 Let's just say there's another company.

01:03:58.000 What's your ideal deal?

01:03:59.000 Gerald can tell you, because here's the problem.

01:04:02.000 I would have taken a deal that was less money, and more honest, and more freedom, and not penalizing other people.

01:04:08.000 He steps in because I'm like, yeah, sounds like good money.

01:04:11.000 He's like, you don't know what our expenses are, do you?

01:04:12.000 I'm like, I don't know, Gerald.

01:04:13.000 You tell me.

01:04:14.000 There are a lot of different terms that you would have to negotiate, and this has been the sticking point from the very beginning, and it kind of goes back to something that you said about Candice getting these questions.

01:04:23.000 It is just 100%.

01:04:25.000 You don't start with these terms in the contract.

01:04:28.000 Again, it was like, oh, it's a term sheet.

01:04:29.000 Negotiate.

01:04:30.000 Of course we negotiate.

01:04:32.000 I've been doing that.

01:04:32.000 I understand that that is part of the process.

01:04:34.000 That's what you do in these things.

01:04:35.000 But if you're going to start there and we say, hey, that's not...

01:04:38.000 That's not something that should be in this movement.

01:04:39.000 And you're like, well, we're not coming back to the table.

01:04:41.000 By the way, after the Ryman, we were expecting them to come back and have changed that and made an offer that we could then start negotiating from.

01:04:51.000 That never happened.

01:04:52.000 So, so this is the, the, the term sheet right here.

01:04:54.000 I've got it.

01:04:55.000 This is the whole thing.

01:04:56.000 Is that the, uh, the first one?

01:04:57.000 I don't, I don't know.

01:04:58.000 Yeah, that, that, that one that was sent, I guess, October 5th.

01:05:00.000 It says, uh, non-binding term sheet.

01:05:02.000 Confidential, it does say.

01:05:03.000 Is it the only one?

01:05:04.000 The only one.

01:05:05.000 No, no, I mean.

01:05:06.000 I gotta, I gotta point out for you, for you, uh, Stephen.

01:05:08.000 Uh, it says if any of the major platforms, uh, uh, issue a strike, you would have the

01:05:14.000 fee reduced.

01:05:16.000 It gives examples of what the major platforms are.

01:05:19.000 I'm assuming it's not limited to.

01:05:22.000 In which case, it looks like they're basically saying, at their discretion, they determine what a major platform is.

01:05:28.000 So if Twitter gave you a suspension, they'd dock your fee by 25%, even though Twitter's not a major driver of platform or host.

01:05:33.000 You know what the good news is?

01:05:34.000 It could have been clarified and put in writing.

01:05:37.000 Never was.

01:05:37.000 No.

01:05:38.000 And by the way, I said the first one because that didn't look like the Daily Wire one that you were holding.

01:05:41.000 I was like, did you get an offer from somebody else?

01:05:44.000 No, no, no. 0.97

01:05:44.000 It's because I think we did Reader View or some shit. 0.97

01:05:46.000 By the way, do me a favor. 0.75

01:05:47.000 I just need to understand this because one of the arguments that was put forth is, well, this is just a standard starting point for everybody.

01:05:52.000 Okay.

01:05:53.000 I don't play those games.

01:05:54.000 I don't do that.

01:05:54.000 Hold on.

01:05:54.000 No, but it's not just a term sheet.

01:05:56.000 It's not just a term sheet.

01:05:58.000 Everybody else, their production comes out of you.

01:06:01.000 You knew Stephen well enough to know that he had his own production team and therefore the costs would be borne by him, but everything else was just standard and our apologies for leaving it in there.

01:06:09.000 Because that was one of the claims that was made.

01:06:11.000 This is just the standard contract negotiating start point of term sheet that we always give to everybody.

01:06:15.000 It's like, yeah, but you knew Stephen well enough to know he did all of his production, but then you're saying the rest of that was just standard.

01:06:20.000 It's a production house, right?

01:06:22.000 It's everything.

01:06:23.000 It's 25 employees.

01:06:24.000 It's just disingenuous, guys.

01:06:25.000 It's not real.

01:06:26.000 Well, do they not know better or is it dishonest?

01:06:30.000 Let me ask you this.

01:06:31.000 Do you really think, I will say this, the only thing I've said about Ben is Ben is brilliant.

01:06:35.000 He's one of the smartest people I've ever known.

01:06:37.000 I don't care what he says, okay?

01:06:38.000 I still hope the best for the guy.

01:06:40.000 And by the way, for people out there, and I know that there are anti-Semitic people, I've not said there's none of this controlled opposition.

01:06:47.000 I 100% believe that Ben believes what he says, even if we disagree.

01:06:51.000 None of that is taking place.

01:06:52.000 The problem is when you demand that other people fall into line.

01:06:56.000 But do you really believe for a second? 0.95

01:06:58.000 That Ben is so ignorant that he thinks that's $50 million a year in my pocket, basketball money. 0.94

01:07:02.000 Do you think Ben believes that? 0.99

01:07:03.000 He knows better.

01:07:04.000 Yeah, he said that.

01:07:05.000 Is that honest?

01:07:06.000 Is that honest? 1.00

01:07:07.000 Now, if someone did that with you and said, Tim Pool is a money-grubbing prick, and we offered him basketball money, and someone came out and called you a little bitch, right? 0.97

01:07:16.000 And that literally happened, and you had the ability to say, and you'd seen this happen to other people behind the scenes for years, and you said, that's not going to be me. 0.96

01:07:23.000 You had the ability to prove that it was verifiably false, which no one is arguing.

01:07:28.000 Of course.

01:07:30.000 Granted, you know, I think there's a tactical difference between us, as well, in that I think you play warrior and I play rogue.

01:07:38.000 Again, over your heads, but Ian's sitting there going, like, right, right, right.

01:07:41.000 I do have an original copy of Chrono Trigger, so... Oh, hell yeah, dawg!

01:07:45.000 Yes!

01:07:46.000 By the way, he met a girl who grew up on my block.

01:07:49.000 Apparently I have her copy from Super Nintendo, like, Star Wars Return of the Jedi.

01:07:53.000 I'm surprised she didn't speak a word of English when I knew her when she was young.

01:07:57.000 She's been holding on to that for a little while.

01:07:59.000 It's crazy, small world.

01:08:01.000 My strategy would have been to poop on the contract, just being totally transparent and honest here.

01:08:06.000 But to bring it back, what would be the perfect contact?

01:08:09.000 What terms would you guys agree to?

01:08:13.000 I want to address what you were saying about would I prove him wrong if I could.

01:08:18.000 I suppose what happened differently for us... If it was that vitriolic.

01:08:21.000 If it was that vitriolic.

01:08:22.000 I didn't Granted, the Daily Wire outed themselves and they said it was because people assumed it was them.

01:08:29.000 After I had a conversation, my determination, a conversation with the Daily Wire, my determination was, they do business in a way that I don't agree with, but I like that they're doing things that have a cultural impact and a positive.

01:08:39.000 Thus, I'm gonna build my thing the way I think it's supposed to be, let them make the things they make with the people who agree with being a part of that, and hopefully, even if they're not 100% in the right direction, if it's 1% producing cultural net positive, I'll just have to be the force that pushes it.

01:08:55.000 But what if it's 80% net negative?

01:08:57.000 That's your view, right?

01:08:58.000 I don't know.

01:09:00.000 Well, again, the investors in our case, right?

01:09:03.000 There are no other investors, right?

01:09:05.000 I don't know.

01:09:05.000 100% of my company, we've entered into licensing agreements where people have temporary ability to monetize the subscribers and the content they're in, right?

01:09:12.000 We still have all the content.

01:09:14.000 When we left the blades, we still have that because there was a period of time.

01:09:17.000 The issue there is what we're talking about is penalizing people on behalf of Big Tech.

01:09:22.000 Was that your impression?

01:09:24.000 Because that's not the impression that's given.

01:09:26.000 And you know what?

01:09:26.000 There are a lot of things that you can get.

01:09:28.000 And I really want this to be done.

01:09:29.000 Just pledge that we won't penalize people on behalf of Big Tech.

01:09:32.000 We can talk about it.

01:09:33.000 Hey, there are ways to do it with Rumble.

01:09:35.000 I know you've talked about a decentralized solution to people subscribing, right?

01:09:37.000 And I think there's good with that.

01:09:39.000 There are also issues because people have so many different places where they have to pay right now and they kind of want to get one portal.

01:09:43.000 Hopefully there's a way to figure that out.

01:09:44.000 Here's what you do.

01:09:45.000 As far as a contract, if someone is coming in this entire production house, I've been having contracts negotiated, you know, you said you were in SAG 2000.

01:09:52.000 So I was in since I was 12 years old and had agents negotiating contracts and term sheets.

01:09:58.000 I know what a term sheet looks like.

01:09:59.000 Every time we do a live show, by the way, I'll be in Louisville, Kentucky, February 10th.

01:10:02.000 I think we're adding a show on Thursday.

01:10:03.000 You can go buy tickets on the website.

01:10:05.000 Every time I do a live show, there's a term sheet.

01:10:07.000 And the term sheet is, this is what happens with live shows.

01:10:10.000 There's a minimum guarantee.

01:10:11.000 And the minimum guarantee is no matter if five people show up, if it's your dad and your Aunt Tilly, we pay you this, and there's a percentage of the gate.

01:10:18.000 And if you want more, if you're willing to bet on yourself, you say lower that guarantee And take a higher portion of the gate.

01:10:25.000 I go in and say, don't give me a guarantee, and I'll just take the gate.

01:10:28.000 And they sell their drinks, right, they end up making more money, we're giving them less risk.

01:10:32.000 What you do is, Luke, to answer your question, you can present it if it's a production company where you want them to incur all of the risk, all of the costs, okay, you do a rev split where there's upside for both sides.

01:10:42.000 Or, some people want security, right, we have 1099s who work at the company, we have employees.

01:10:47.000 Some people want security, and so they become salaried, and they get health insurance, they get a 401k, you can provide two options You can do a rev split or you can do an employee agreement for people who want to do that.

01:10:56.000 In this case, they want to do employee type constraints.

01:10:59.000 And again, none of this matters as far as I can't be clear enough.

01:11:02.000 I said, take me off the table here. 0.94

01:11:05.000 The issue is entirely the enforcement of punitive practices through mandate at the most powerful company.

01:11:12.000 But you can do it those ways.

01:11:14.000 And there are a million ways to skin a cat.

01:11:16.000 You can make that work.

01:11:17.000 And that's the way that it's done.

01:11:18.000 We both know in the liberal cesspool that is Hollywood, where everyone is out trying to screw somebody.

01:11:23.000 They still know that you can't do that.

01:11:24.000 They still know that that's not enforceable.

01:11:25.000 Well, the decision to remain monetized rests with the creator and always stays there.

01:11:29.000 It's not a part of the model because to your 51%, yes, that's fine unless we fast forward five years.

01:11:35.000 Five years from now, Daily Wire is undisputed number one, five million subscribers, and big tech turns the switch.

01:11:42.000 Would it be better to course-correct a little bit now with a little bit of pain, or would it be better to wait until it's too late?

01:11:47.000 It's better to do it now because Microsoft could buy Daily Wire tomorrow.

01:11:51.000 It's very dangerous to consolidate.

01:11:52.000 That's a really good point.

01:11:53.000 Or BlackRock.

01:11:54.000 BlackRock could buy Rumble tomorrow.

01:11:56.000 Rumble is not safe.

01:11:58.000 It's a private company that's all centralized.

01:12:00.000 It's very dangerous.

01:12:00.000 Well, that's their public company.

01:12:01.000 And here's the one thing that I like about, because, look, Rumble tweeted out, like, hey, we offer these non-restrictive contracts.

01:12:06.000 I think it was, was it France?

01:12:08.000 Rumble's a public company.

01:12:09.000 Think of the balls it takes where I think it was the government of France that said you have to start changing content and they said, right?

01:12:14.000 When you're a public company and you tell an entire government, fine. 0.94

01:12:19.000 That's the kind of balls that people are explaining.

01:12:21.000 And these people, and by the way, the guy who runs Rumble is a Canadian, the CEO. 0.96

01:12:25.000 He's not even, I don't think he's super conservative.

01:12:27.000 He just sees the writing on the wall.

01:12:29.000 Why do those people get it?

01:12:30.000 Why?

01:12:30.000 Because he's been under the, I would say, tyranny now when you see someone like Trudeau, just because he does blackface and he can't throw a jab doesn't mean he's not a tyrant, right?

01:12:38.000 People have lived under that tyranny.

01:12:39.000 They go, we can't let that happen here.

01:12:40.000 So Rumble gets it.

01:12:42.000 They tell France to go fornicate themselves with a wire brush.

01:12:45.000 But the people who take money from hard-earned conservative Americans who are wondering how they can fight back, how they can have a voice, don't see it.

01:12:54.000 Do they not see it, or is it the business model, right?

01:12:56.000 You can't have both.

01:12:57.000 That's what I'm wondering.

01:12:57.000 Did you feel like your buddy, and what I mean your buddy, like you and Jeremy are friends-ish, or friends or whatever, but that he low-balled you, he knows your value and he low-balled you, and you're like, dude, if you're gonna do that to me, I'm taking, I'm going scorched earth.

01:13:07.000 I'll do everything legal in my- No, no, it wasn't the low-ball.

01:13:10.000 It wasn't the low-ball.

01:13:10.000 It was the, hey, look, prompt, look, let's just sit down and talk about how you can do this without mandating through punitive practices against, not some, according to him and his video.

01:13:21.000 All conservative content creators, let's find a different way because there's no future in this.

01:13:26.000 There's a lot there that's permissible, right?

01:13:28.000 Business, money, I get it.

01:13:30.000 Yeah, lowball, sure.

01:13:31.000 And you know that.

01:13:33.000 Everyone knows that.

01:13:34.000 But what's really hard to deal with is there was a period, like I talked about with Gerald Note, where I was super depressed.

01:13:42.000 It felt kind of hopeless, because this has been a long time in the making, and you knock on one door and you have people you think are on your side.

01:13:50.000 You know, it's, no, wait, this is how it works.

01:13:52.000 And then you, because you don't see behind, you know, the curtain, you hear that we're fighting back against big tech, and you see this offer and you go, oh, there's no future here.

01:14:04.000 And the response to, this is not right, has always been money, money, money, money.

01:14:09.000 I can't stress it enough.

01:14:10.000 It's not about the money.

01:14:11.000 So what is the future in your mind then?

01:14:13.000 What needs to be done?

01:14:15.000 What first needs to be done is people to mean what they say. 0.98

01:14:18.000 And if you are taking money from conservatives out there, under the guise that you are fighting big tech, start fucking fighting big tech. 0.97

01:14:26.000 Start with that, okay? 0.95

01:14:28.000 I don't know about the... and I know that when I say this, by the way, they're going to send... there are going to be four or five hatchet men coming from the daily... I understand that, by the way.

01:14:34.000 Have you seen anyone else in these videos?

01:14:36.000 This is the first time Gerald's been here because I'm like, look, you handle the finances more than I do.

01:14:39.000 It's me.

01:14:39.000 It's 2-on-1, it's 3-on-1, it's 4-on-1.

01:14:42.000 And gee golly, we thought we were friends.

01:14:43.000 And you know what? 0.99

01:14:44.000 I'm not going to call anyone a bitch. 0.52

01:14:46.000 I still, I mean what I said, Andrew Klavan's one of my all-time favorite people. 0.92

01:14:49.000 I think Jordan Peterson is unbelievable.

01:14:51.000 I go to the wall for that guy.

01:14:52.000 I think Ben Shapiro is brilliant.

01:14:53.000 Never met Candace Owens.

01:14:55.000 Michael Knowles, my experience with him, I don't know him as well.

01:14:57.000 I really like him.

01:14:59.000 I like a lot of these people.

01:15:00.000 Good singer.

01:15:01.000 Is he a good singer?

01:15:01.000 He played guitar, too.

01:15:02.000 Well, he has that voice.

01:15:03.000 I mean, Andrew Klavan, he told me he had that voice since he was like six.

01:15:05.000 He was like, well, teach your own parent, teach your appreciation.

01:15:07.000 They'll give you an apple.

01:15:08.000 This is how you talk.

01:15:11.000 And it's genuine.

01:15:12.000 It's genuine.

01:15:13.000 Here's the thing, keep doing it if that's what they want.

01:15:17.000 At a certain point my talents will run out.

01:15:19.000 So send four, send five.

01:15:20.000 At a certain point, don't send anyone you expect back in one piece.

01:15:23.000 But what will you make?

01:15:24.000 You talked in the beginning, you were saying something about it's hard for everyone to just pay all across the board randomly to different people.

01:15:32.000 Like if you want to support a creator, you're on one website, you're on another website.

01:15:36.000 Yes, yeah.

01:15:37.000 So how would you do it?

01:15:38.000 It's a subscription fatigue, right?

01:15:39.000 It's like Netflix and Hulu.

01:15:41.000 So can I answer your question with a question to Crash Test Demis here? 0.94

01:15:46.000 here that doesn't offend you right now.

01:15:48.000 He does look like one.

01:15:50.000 No more oil sand in the black.

01:15:52.000 There you go.

01:15:54.000 I love that there's national treasures.

01:15:55.000 My question for him is because he said like this might be a solution.

01:15:58.000 You have this idea or you're creating an actual product.

01:16:00.000 I don't know all of it.

01:16:01.000 You have a decentralized way to subscribe to people because and also people who get to keep their subscribers.

01:16:07.000 By the way, this isn't Daily Wire.

01:16:08.000 It is industry standard in the conservative sphere.

01:16:10.000 You don't get to know how many subscribers you have, you don't get to take them with you, which only hurts people who are paying if you end up leaving, you know, if you end up not being with the network.

01:16:17.000 That's industry standard, not daily wire.

01:16:19.000 Again, Stop Big Con was not just about daily wire.

01:16:22.000 You don't even know, you don't even get to reach them.

01:16:24.000 That is the standard, not just there.

01:16:27.000 And you mentioned something before the show, and I'm a little ignorant as to what it is, forgive me.

01:16:31.000 You said it's like this decentralized ability for people to, sort of an anti-patreon, Yeah, it is just basically doing what Patreon does, but without a Patreon middleman.

01:16:39.000 So it'd be a piece of software packet that you download, install on your computer, and then you can start uploading videos through the software packet to Rumble as a server, or YouTube as a server, unlisted the videos.

01:16:49.000 And then people would go to your website where you have a front-end hosted with this packet, and they can subscribe, ten bucks a month.

01:16:55.000 Then they can see on your website the unlisted videos from the other sites.

01:16:59.000 It's pretty rudimentary.

01:17:01.000 It's what Tim's using.

01:17:02.000 A system like that, he's not using the tech.

01:17:03.000 That doesn't sound rudimentary.

01:17:04.000 Here's the idea.

01:17:05.000 You're an independent creator.

01:17:06.000 You go to Patreon.

01:17:07.000 You go to locals.

01:17:08.000 You go to someone else's company.

01:17:09.000 There's the infrastructure.

01:17:09.000 You sign up.

01:17:10.000 Here's the idea.

01:17:11.000 To pull off.

01:17:12.000 The idea right now is that you're an independent creator.

01:17:14.000 You go to Patreon, you go to Locals, you go to someone else's company, you sign up, there's

01:17:19.000 the infrastructure, you give them 10%.

01:17:21.000 I've done the math, 10% is steep, but they're trying to run a business, have employees,

01:17:26.000 so I get it.

01:17:27.000 We were talking about this a long time ago, make the software, you get your own server space, your cost, you get your own domain, your cost, you install that software for free, open source, and boom, instantly your website is a clone of a subscription service website with an easy-to-use backend for you that networks with anyone else who uses it.

01:17:47.000 You can also blacklist certain sites from your site if you're like, I don't want my site to recommend this, you know.

01:17:52.000 Skittlesandrainbows.com?

01:17:54.000 Exactly.

01:17:55.000 You know, very nasty stuff right there.

01:17:55.000 Oof.

01:17:57.000 So, or it's just you let the algorithm recommend whatever they recommend, like similar words and phrases.

01:18:03.000 So what this does is if I go to your website and you want to be included in the network, people will see, and this could be bad for business, some people might want to do it, they will see like recommended Timcast IRL episode with Steven Crowder and be like, oh, I'd like to watch that show too.

01:18:20.000 One of the powerful things about YouTube is that it recommends shows after shows.

01:18:24.000 Every single time I watch one of my shows, it's Seth Meyers.

01:18:27.000 Oh, wow.

01:18:27.000 We get Lex Friedman.

01:18:29.000 That's way better than Seth Meyers.

01:18:32.000 Lex Friedman's good.

01:18:33.000 This is the point.

01:18:34.000 It used to be legitimate.

01:18:35.000 It used to be that if you watched Crowder, you'd get recommended similar shows or more Crowder.

01:18:39.000 Now they're driving everyone away.

01:18:41.000 And so they're taking away the natural networking marketing value.

01:18:45.000 So our idea was create it decentralized.

01:18:47.000 No one gets a cut of your money.

01:18:49.000 That's your business.

01:18:50.000 You got to spend money on your bandwidth.

01:18:51.000 That's your business.

01:18:53.000 But it's free open source and it rips away from the centralization and creates.

01:18:57.000 So I really like that.

01:18:58.000 Now here's the one thing too that Gerald kind of knows is what's always been true north to me is the viewer, right?

01:19:05.000 As a person watching is how do they get the most value for their money?

01:19:08.000 And there are so many places to subscribe right now.

01:19:11.000 It's too fragmented.

01:19:12.000 Yes.

01:19:12.000 But I also understand the danger of a centralized power.

01:19:15.000 Right.

01:19:15.000 But if there would be a way for, kind of like you were talking about with Maker, for there to be an alliance where maybe there's some kind of a price break or discount if you get to subscribe to these other creators, right?

01:19:24.000 So that you don't have to do $6 on a Patreon here or $5 on Locals here.

01:19:29.000 And by the way, nothing wrong with it.

01:19:30.000 I'm just saying people feel like there's this payment fatigue, this subscription fatigue.

01:19:34.000 If we want to fight the left, right, think about just what they call the stream with Batista, he's in this like canoe, talking about like Disney, ESPN, and what is it, Disney, and Hulu, right?

01:19:44.000 That's a value added.

01:19:46.000 And I think this is what was so disheartening is, was really hoping that we could do that in the conservative movement where people can kind of get access to a portal and support the people that they want to.

01:19:56.000 I don't know that it's possible.

01:19:59.000 But if there would be somebody for the view, because for the viewer, what's ideal is to be able

01:20:02.000 to get access to more people that they want rather than having to, because the price adds up.

01:20:06.000 That's hard.

01:20:07.000 It's like 10 bucks for Tim, 10 bucks for you.

01:20:10.000 With this tech that I'm building, we haven't had the multi-subscription system set up,

01:20:15.000 but you could do something where it's like 10 for him, 10 for you, or 18 for both of you, then you each get nine.

01:20:20.000 You'll eventually have to take some sort of loss discount if you're gonna run a packet, otherwise it would just be 20 for two.

01:20:25.000 It's hard to figure out that number.

01:20:27.000 You get critical mass.

01:20:28.000 It is, it's tough to figure it out.

01:20:30.000 But there are ways to do it, obviously people on the left have done it to some degree.

01:20:34.000 The worst thing that I will say, the thing that really, is YouTube, is it YouTube Red or YouTube Premium?

01:20:38.000 What do they call it? 0.95

01:20:40.000 I tell you what though, you know what sucks about it?

01:20:40.000 Premium.

01:20:42.000 That's actually a really good deal.

01:20:43.000 You get YouTube music, which replaces Spotify.

01:20:46.000 You get YouTube TV, which replaces cable and sling.

01:20:48.000 And you get HBO Max.

01:20:50.000 But they're subsidized.

01:20:51.000 Yes.

01:20:51.000 Yes, they are subsidized.

01:20:52.000 But guess what?

01:20:54.000 So are these companies on the right.

01:20:55.000 But they're subsidizing it in a way that is not foundationally sound for a move forward.

01:21:00.000 Let me tell you something that really... I feel like this should require hallucinogens going forward.

01:21:04.000 I'm so happy to if you're interested.

01:21:06.000 that will somehow get him somewhere.

01:21:08.000 He's game.

01:21:08.000 Let me let me let me tell you guys something that that is kind of crazy to me. And people don't believe.

01:21:14.000 There are no investors in Timcast.

01:21:16.000 There's only me as the principal of the entire company, sole owner, sole board member, president, CEO, treasurer, chairman, etc, etc, etc.

01:21:25.000 There's staff, you know, I have a COO, we've got people who work here, but I own literally all of it, control all of it, with no outside investment.

01:21:32.000 It's literally just... And you're not even Jewish! 1.00

01:21:35.000 Yeah, I'm just saying as a joke to the anti-Semites in there.

01:21:39.000 By the way, no one we're talking about is even Jewish.

01:21:42.000 That's a point I make all the time.

01:21:43.000 There are people who have been successful in media who aren't.

01:21:45.000 I don't know why they have that conspiracy belief.

01:21:47.000 But it was shocking for me to find out that these big alternatives Only exists because some powerful industrialist or billionaire decided, I'm gonna spend money, but that money comes with their influence.

01:22:01.000 Now, the only issue I have with that is that we don't know what their influence is.

01:22:04.000 And you owe.

01:22:06.000 Right, if you come to TimCast.com, you know the whole influence in Driving Force Mind, this is literally just me.

01:22:11.000 If you're a customer here, as a member or whatever, you're supporting us, it is literally me in charge of everything.

01:22:17.000 But a lot of these other companies, You don't know who's behind the scenes putting money in and saying, hey guys, I want to see this.

01:22:24.000 I understand how businesses work.

01:22:26.000 I understand how investment works.

01:22:27.000 But you won't know.

01:22:28.000 And if you knew, it's ball retractingly terrifying.

01:22:33.000 I mean that.

01:22:34.000 There's some information, again, that you're not going to rope in third parties.

01:22:36.000 It's probably going to be coming out in the next Six months, a year, that will shock people, startle people.

01:22:43.000 I could tell you that, but would I have to provide receipts and would that be a betrayal?

01:22:46.000 That's the issue, right?

01:22:47.000 I've given you a lot of information that you can publicly audit, and I think that's important.

01:22:51.000 I'm not going to pull people in.

01:22:52.000 Like I said, Gary said you can use it.

01:22:54.000 I can't show you the three, four, five other instances just in the last two years where that's happened.

01:22:59.000 It is absolutely terrifying.

01:23:01.000 But what was the crazy idea you were saying?

01:23:02.000 I thought you were going to I thought you just came up with a business plan or something.

01:23:05.000 No, no, no.

01:23:06.000 I was thinking it's crazy to me.

01:23:09.000 That's totally reasonable.

01:23:09.000 That's not so crazy.

01:23:10.000 I guess that's why I'm throwing it out there.

01:23:12.000 No, no, no.

01:23:12.000 What's crazy to me is that we've gotten to the point we have without that when seemingly no one else does.

01:23:17.000 It's really easy, too.

01:23:17.000 That's true.

01:23:18.000 But here's what I want to say.

01:23:19.000 Stephen, I don't think it's really easy.

01:23:22.000 To have the website rolling with subs?

01:23:24.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.

01:23:25.000 They're like two people.

01:23:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:27.000 This is hard, man.

01:23:28.000 One thing I should say, we've had a lot of offers too from people who run these sort

01:23:30.000 of credit card processing, these platforms, right?

01:23:32.000 Offering to give us better rates as well.

01:23:34.000 So there are a lot of people who've come forward.

01:23:37.000 Like I said, it's not about daily wire.

01:23:39.000 Daily wire wasn't even the highest offer, just to be clear.

01:23:41.000 Here's what I want to say.

01:23:42.000 Yeah.

01:23:43.000 I'm going to say this right in front of every single person.

01:23:45.000 I think you're going to make $100 million a year. 0.98

01:23:47.000 Yeah, I think you're absolutely insane. 0.54

01:23:49.000 I think I'm right. 0.95

01:23:51.000 But I would never demand that, just to be clear.

01:23:52.000 Did you see what bar you're setting for me?

01:23:54.000 Did I tell you my new job?

01:23:55.000 Yes, for crying out loud.

01:23:56.000 You're trying to give him a heart attack.

01:23:59.000 I've seen your numbers.

01:24:01.000 I know, look, we've got 175,000 people watching on a show that normally gets 40 to 45,000.

01:24:06.000 130,000 live viewers, tripling, quadrupling, quadrupling the live viewership we get because you came to talk about something that is important to you.

01:24:15.000 You have people who are not only fans of your content, who are entertained by it, but also believe in you.

01:24:20.000 Looking at your Mug Club numbers, I think you launch this thing and you're making three to five million per month right off the get-go.

01:24:35.000 By the way, you mean the whole production company?

01:24:37.000 Whole production company, you personally.

01:24:38.000 Your staff, your employees, your budgets.

01:24:40.000 And I'm at a fork in the road.

01:24:42.000 Which is... You're gonna need a lot of money for bandwidth.

01:24:44.000 You're gonna get a lot of people to sign up.

01:24:45.000 I could walk away.

01:24:47.000 And I understand, this isn't a loss on me.

01:24:49.000 The only way people will 100% believe what I say, and that there's no ulterior motive, which is what I try to do in the negotiations, like take me off the table, this is why this is a sticking point, is if I walk away from this forever.

01:24:59.000 Is if I never monetize again, and I just go back off into the sunset, just, you know, do stand-up, maybe do a once-a-week show, something like that, so I can continue selling out the venues.

01:25:08.000 And I could do that.

01:25:09.000 And Gerald knows that I strongly considered that at one point.

01:25:12.000 And I think he was the one, if I'm not mistaken, who said like, yeah, but then if you do that, then this will just all blow over in two months, and it'll be the same problem. 0.95

01:25:20.000 So I get the question of authenticity, but I would ask you if this is the easy decision, if this is the easy route to make, route to take, could have just taken the money, shut up, could have gone off, and I don't think it's $100 million, I think you're absolutely insane. 0.51

01:25:31.000 No, I'm not. 0.66

01:25:32.000 I think he slipped you.

01:25:33.000 Nope, nope, nope.

01:25:34.000 No, look, we know about the Daily Wire's subscriber numbers.

01:25:37.000 They've awarded a million paying subscribers.

01:25:39.000 It's between $7 and $13 per month to be a member there.

01:25:43.000 They've talked about their yearly revenues.

01:25:46.000 For their video content, I believe it's $13.

01:25:48.000 They run some promos and stuff like that.

01:25:50.000 But yeah, yeah, different tiers.

01:25:51.000 And it's like, you know, look, I think let's talk about the IRS.

01:25:56.000 He's going to say an obscene Maxwell, Maxwell scandal.

01:25:59.000 I'm saying for one, the easy route for you would have absolutely been signed the deal. 0.98

01:26:05.000 Take the money and shut up.

01:26:07.000 Let everyone else worry about all the problems and go sit on the beach with a coconut and just do the bare minimum.

01:26:12.000 But I think if you go the hard way, which running a company, especially with I think the size of memberships you're going to have, is going to be very difficult and time consuming, but just, you know, make Gerald do all the hard work.

01:26:24.000 Here's the thing, if we continue down this route, Then there's got to be other people, right?

01:26:29.000 We have to have other shows on there.

01:26:31.000 I could have, again, just gone off and done it and just kept Mug Club. 0.97

01:26:33.000 But I said, look, either I'm going to leave at this point, or we can't just complain and bitch. 1.00

01:26:39.000 We have to do it better. 0.64

01:26:41.000 And that's kind of where we are.

01:26:42.000 And by the way, we still haven't decided what it is that we're going to do.

01:26:45.000 It's a tough decision to make.

01:26:47.000 I own 100% of Mug Club.

01:26:48.000 Always have.

01:26:49.000 We did the Mug Club forever, so we now know how many people are out there.

01:26:52.000 You know, we were really clear.

01:26:53.000 We're like, do not go to Mug Club forever unless you are currently in Mug Club. 0.62

01:26:56.000 We're gonna double-cap you, double-opt in. 1.00

01:26:56.000 We're gonna sign up. 1.00

01:26:59.000 Culled the list, so we know.

01:27:00.000 We're like, don't go.

01:27:01.000 Is it a newsletter?

01:27:02.000 No.

01:27:03.000 Are you gonna spam?

01:27:04.000 Any updates?

01:27:04.000 Nothing.

01:27:05.000 Only when and where and if Mug Club returns.

01:27:07.000 And this is a little bit of the young Frankenstein.

01:27:09.000 Ovaltine?

01:27:10.000 Let me ask you, let me ask you.

01:27:10.000 Nothing.

01:27:12.000 Do you think that When you – you are going to launch something independent.

01:27:18.000 It's going to be Mug Club, but then you're going to add on shows.

01:27:21.000 Do you think you'll be bigger than The Daily Wire?

01:27:25.000 I don't care.

01:27:25.000 No, no, no.

01:27:27.000 Based on your memberships, based on the amount of views you get, do you think you will be bigger than – I'm not saying this as – It would – if I decided that I – let me answer it this way.

01:27:27.000 Real question.

01:27:39.000 I've wanted to be done with this by the time I'm 40 as far as hosting the show on air.

01:27:43.000 The last thing I want to do is overstay your welcome and then move to a, I wouldn't say necessarily like a Harvey Weinstein or like a Bruckheimer, but more like a Suge Knight.

01:27:51.000 How old are you now?

01:27:52.000 And I want to be able to pass that torch.

01:27:52.000 35.

01:27:55.000 When's your birthday?

01:27:56.000 July.

01:27:57.000 July, okay.

01:27:58.000 So I want to be able to pass that torch.

01:28:00.000 Right now there is no ability to because you now realize there's no ability for people to come up and do.

01:28:05.000 It would be really hard for you to do what you do now today.

01:28:07.000 You know that, right?

01:28:09.000 And it'd be impossible for someone to do what I do.

01:28:12.000 I don't want to pull the ladder up behind me.

01:28:14.000 So I want to be able to move into a production role, but really what motivates me is being able to pass that mantle and make a difference.

01:28:19.000 I guarantee you if we were to do it, it'd be within striking distance of the big boys, which I'd be fine with, but as long as we do something that we believe in, and I promise we will never Demand people's YouTube monetization. We will never punish

01:28:35.000 them if they're not And it has to be something fair and has to be us not shortchanging

01:28:40.000 the investor meaning the people mug club. It's entirely independent

01:28:43.000 Paying us for to fight for what they believe whatever those numbers are. I'd accept them

01:28:47.000 I'll tell you my my prediction which who knows could be worthless

01:28:50.000 No, sir. Thomas hit me You launch a subscription service, independent mug club.

01:28:58.000 You get 300,000 hard signups at 10 or more per month.

01:29:01.000 I mean, it was 10 bucks a month for a lot of people.

01:29:04.000 It's going up because of inflation, because people need raises and things like that.

01:29:07.000 But let's say you did 10 bucks a month.

01:29:09.000 You're looking at like 3 million in memberships with no ad reads at all.

01:29:13.000 Let's say you do programmatic reads on the podcast version, meaning you, Steven, never read a single ad.

01:29:19.000 Then you're looking at another, based on your traffic, I'd estimate another 2 to 5 million dollars per year, not per month.

01:29:27.000 So right off the bat you're looking at 40 million dollars per year.

01:29:30.000 Then here's what happens.

01:29:32.000 Steven Crowder then offers big players Really good contracts.

01:29:37.000 No BS, no fees, none of that.

01:29:39.000 Out the gate, it's a legitimately good contract that gives your business a small cut, but gives them the lion's share for the work they produce.

01:29:46.000 They're gonna say, oh, I'm signing with Mug Club.

01:29:48.000 The terms were incredible.

01:29:50.000 I mean, Crowder's gonna make money off the deal, the company's gonna grow.

01:29:52.000 Take the draft with the hats.

01:29:53.000 That's right.

01:29:54.000 I'm getting a lot of money.

01:29:56.000 Then what's going to happen is it's going to make it very difficult for the big con, these other big conservative companies, to sign these deals when a young creator says, I appreciate the offer, it's tempting, but Crowder's offering me twice the money with no setbacks. 0.97

01:30:07.000 I would really, really like it, genuinely, and Gerald knows this, if there's someone else in the space who handles that shit. 0.94

01:30:14.000 Because I'm not a business I'm not a business guy. 0.98

01:30:17.000 I'm a guy who out-punted his coverage.

01:30:19.000 You can go back and watch with a blue bed sheet who was doing stand-up comedy and acting and then had my back up against the wall.

01:30:25.000 I would really like it if there was someone else who already has the money, who already has that ability to do it.

01:30:31.000 If they can't, okay, I'll carry that torch.

01:30:35.000 Well, I don't know.

01:30:36.000 Maybe there's someone out there.

01:30:37.000 Are there enough good men and enough people left?

01:30:39.000 Because that's not the best use of my time.

01:30:41.000 It takes a lot of time to do a Goodwill Hunt thing.

01:30:44.000 Do you have any idea how hard it is to make Schindler's List funny when you're doing a parody?

01:30:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:50.000 That's where my time is better spent.

01:30:50.000 It's a lot of work.

01:30:51.000 And that's where the time, by the way, of all the creators is best spent.

01:30:54.000 But instead, they're being forced to make this decision.

01:30:56.000 You know you're a creative type.

01:30:57.000 You want to deal with numbers and back-end and business.

01:31:00.000 It's exhausting.

01:31:01.000 Yeah, I have to do it.

01:31:02.000 I don't want to do it.

01:31:02.000 I have to.

01:31:03.000 So I'm building this technology.

01:31:04.000 But like, boring.

01:31:05.000 That's what Jeremy Boring is.

01:31:06.000 And why do you have to do it?

01:31:07.000 Because we need a new subscription service for creators.

01:31:07.000 Why?

01:31:10.000 It shouldn't fall upon you, though.

01:31:12.000 I have two questions.

01:31:13.000 Who else is going to do it?

01:31:14.000 Yeah, let's do it.

01:31:15.000 Exactly.

01:31:16.000 If not me, who?

01:31:16.000 If not you, who?

01:31:18.000 If not now, when?

01:31:19.000 That's the segment.

01:31:20.000 Shout out to Philip Fisher, the guy building this stuff.

01:31:22.000 Pure genius.

01:31:23.000 I will introduce you to him soon.

01:31:27.000 And I will say to everybody listening, it's you.

01:31:29.000 It will only ever be you.

01:31:31.000 When you see a burning building, you think, who's gonna call this in?

01:31:36.000 No, no, no.

01:31:36.000 No one's gonna call in.

01:31:37.000 It's gonna be you.

01:31:38.000 I once watched, when I was 16 years old, I saw an old lady at a bus stop flip over, land on her back, and I paused and said, I have no idea what to do.

01:31:47.000 What is happening?

01:31:48.000 I look around and I'm like, I gotta figure this one out.

01:31:51.000 And I ran full speed to a building and just screamed, call 911, a lady's hurt.

01:31:54.000 There's nobody else.

01:31:56.000 You can't sit back and just cross your fingers and hope someone else will take care of the problem.

01:32:00.000 Yeah, you've got to be the hero of your own story.

01:32:01.000 I just wanted to ask two quick questions for you guys.

01:32:05.000 One, would you guys be open to doing competitions or contests for new talent?

01:32:09.000 And a lot of people are asking about Not Gay Jared in the comment section.

01:32:14.000 Can you guys clear up what's happening in that situation?

01:32:16.000 Some people are saying that there's an NDA.

01:32:18.000 Yeah, well, that's the thing I think Candace brought up, right?

01:32:20.000 Again, there's a difference between roping in third parties versus single-party consent.

01:32:25.000 I think he tweeted out what happened where he left, right?

01:32:27.000 Not Gay Jared. 1.00

01:32:28.000 He tweeted out that he left.

01:32:29.000 It was his own decision.

01:32:31.000 We did a whole send-off with him in a video montage.

01:32:32.000 You know, this works with like conspiracies and sometimes, look, there's also a middle ground where there's, for example, like what is the email, by the way, if people are talking about shows?

01:32:41.000 I think it's creators ad lib.

01:32:42.000 Yeah, creators ad lib.

01:32:43.000 So that's actually not a bad idea, a contest.

01:32:45.000 But the reason I didn't want to do it is because I didn't want a thing that's like, hey, this is why we're doing this right now.

01:32:50.000 But we do have a place where people can reach out.

01:32:53.000 The challenge is there's completely controlling contracts that own your name, image, likeness, and your platforms that you already built in perpetuity.

01:32:58.000 That's an extreme example.

01:32:59.000 That's big con.

01:33:00.000 Then you have people who are like, hey, I have no experience.

01:33:03.000 I've never done a show, but I really think I could do it well if you give me money.

01:33:06.000 That's a situation where you'd be incurring all the risk.

01:33:09.000 There is a middle ground, and I think what needs to happen...

01:33:13.000 I'm not going to be in the business of just creating shows from the ground up, but there are people out there who say, hey look, I have a channel that's doing relatively well, I keep hitting the ceiling that is YouTube saying we need you to play this kind of ball, I'm suffering from the advertising rates, the sponsorship rates dropping across the board, and I can just be the gasoline on that fire to back them up.

01:33:34.000 Why would you sign with a network if they don't have your back?

01:33:38.000 That's the only reason to, otherwise be independent, right?

01:33:40.000 What is the upside at that point?

01:33:41.000 That's all we want to be, and whatever subscribers you generate, you keep.

01:33:46.000 That's the only way I would be able to do it.

01:33:47.000 It's really publicity, these big networks get their faces seen, but if you can do it without that... So people are still asking, is there an NDA?

01:33:55.000 That's what people are asking.

01:33:56.000 There are NDAs to everyone, just like here, right?

01:33:58.000 I just signed a waiver when I came in.

01:33:59.000 If you come into our studio... I mean, standard business practice.

01:34:02.000 Yeah, you can't come in and tell people where the studio is.

01:34:06.000 We have NDAs because we work on projects.

01:34:18.000 It's really, really complicated.

01:34:20.000 One of the simplest reasons is we don't want you leaking information about us.

01:34:23.000 Location is a good and obvious thing.

01:34:24.000 But also, projects we're working on cost a lot of money to do preliminary research.

01:34:27.000 If someone then says, goes to a competitor or any other media company and says, here's

01:34:33.000 what Tim Kass is working on and all their stuff, it just completely destroys the entire

01:34:37.000 attempt at making a project.

01:34:38.000 Of course.

01:34:39.000 Things like that.

01:34:40.000 Of course.

01:34:41.000 And you have people stealing creative content, right?

01:34:42.000 I mean, that happens anyway.

01:34:43.000 This is the most common thing that happens, right?

01:34:44.000 The big boys, they go, oh, that really works.

01:34:46.000 Hey, let's do exactly that.

01:34:48.000 Put $25 million behind it just to promote it.

01:34:50.000 Now it's ours.

01:34:51.000 I was thinking about these.

01:34:53.000 Let me mention perpetuity clauses really quick before we go to super chats because you brought them up a couple times.

01:34:57.000 Dog nasty and need to be removed immediately from modern entertainment contracts because deepfakes, they're going to be able to take someone's perpetuity face, deepfake it to make it look real and have it say stuff that the person doesn't agree with. 0.98

01:35:10.000 By the time I'm dead and you're going to my mausoleum, I'm going to be hawking Black Rifle fucking coffee. 0.99

01:35:16.000 Let's go to Super Chats. 0.99

01:35:17.000 We're going to read Super Chats from you guys.

01:35:20.000 A lot of questions for Crowder and stuff like that.

01:35:23.000 At some point I'm going to have to go to the restroom.

01:35:26.000 I'm going to go, too.

01:35:27.000 I've got to pee.

01:35:28.000 You can't go together.

01:35:30.000 You can't cross streams.

01:35:33.000 There's multiple bathrooms here.

01:35:34.000 There's one behind you.

01:35:35.000 I'm going to go out the door.

01:35:37.000 But, I mean, look, if you guys want to go together, I have no issue with that.

01:35:40.000 I mean, I'm very liberal.

01:35:41.000 No, I know, you're more, yeah.

01:35:41.000 I think we'll get promoted by YouTube now.

01:35:43.000 All right, let's realize, let's realize, let's realize.

01:35:45.000 All right, all right.

01:35:46.000 We can co-opt the rainbow from God after Noah. 0.97

01:35:49.000 Smash the like button, become a member at TimCast.com.

01:35:51.000 We're going to record the uncensored portion once we wrap up the live portion, which I can only imagine will be a lot crazier, but we're going to read some of these super chats.

01:35:58.000 We have from Bren Ben.

01:36:00.000 Remember, guys, everyone agrees that you need a shotgun.

01:36:02.000 Even Biden is pro-firing two blasts outside the house.

01:36:06.000 Please, the love of God, do not fire a shotgun into the air like Biden said.

01:36:08.000 Highly illegal.

01:36:09.000 Seriously.

01:36:10.000 I can't believe he... Biden incited violence.

01:36:13.000 He incited people to commit crimes. 0.99

01:36:16.000 You could shoot it into the ground.

01:36:17.000 Don't do that either, but that's the better of the two options.

01:36:20.000 He thinks it's like Elmer Fudd, Runner. 0.54

01:36:21.000 Like, by the way, it's the silliest.

01:36:24.000 And that shell, I mean, sorry, that shell, that whatever it is, whether it's buckshot or whether it's a slug, has to come down at some point. 0.85

01:36:30.000 Aurora Isabella says, Stephen is so hot.

01:36:34.000 Well, she's, she's nearsighted.

01:36:35.000 Or whichever part would make.

01:36:38.000 I mean, I'm sitting next here to Gerald.

01:36:39.000 By the way, it's a little scary, like how giants, uh, it's a land of Gerald.

01:36:43.000 And then you saw Kevin there downstairs.

01:36:44.000 My friend, he's just like, he's the really, we have a lot of big people.

01:36:47.000 We just went to a Japanese restaurant here nearby, like a Japanese steakhouse.

01:36:50.000 And all the reviews were like, the food is great.

01:36:52.000 The service is terrible.

01:36:53.000 We couldn't all fit in the booth.

01:36:55.000 It was difficult.

01:36:56.000 You're at that point where everything's like, you have to be custom.

01:36:57.000 This has been my whole life, though.

01:36:59.000 I know.

01:36:59.000 I'm kind of used to it.

01:37:00.000 I don't fit in.

01:37:00.000 When I shook your hand and met you, you stood up as you were doing it.

01:37:03.000 I did?

01:37:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:04.000 I was like, stay in character.

01:37:06.000 All right, here's a... It's like where the wild things are.

01:37:08.000 Kristen Baker says, Will Crowder's company pay his creators guaranteed big money regardless of the revenues they bring in while they let their freak flag fly?

01:37:16.000 Time out.

01:37:17.000 I don't agree with the premise.

01:37:18.000 Nobody said it was regardless of revenues you bring in.

01:37:21.000 It just said it could not be tied to big tech monetization and being on these platforms.

01:37:25.000 If you're bringing in five subscribers versus 500,000, that's a much different thing.

01:37:29.000 Yeah.

01:37:30.000 And sponsors versus no sponsors, that's a much different thing.

01:37:32.000 Nobody said that they couldn't make money, and nobody said Steven had to be given a guaranteed production contract no matter what money he brought in.

01:37:39.000 They were completely and conveniently leaving that off of the table and saying, this is a lot of money, and if you lose anything, That's not going to happen.

01:37:48.000 Do a rev split with upside.

01:37:49.000 Again, this is what happens in the entertainment industry.

01:37:51.000 Every time, whether it's a band at a venue, you do a minimum guarantee, which is going to be lower, which mitigates your risk, or you get the gate, you do a rev split with upside.

01:37:59.000 You see any upside there?

01:38:01.000 Is there any portion there that says, by the way, if you actually do have the 300,000, which is well over 300,000 people who said we're going to be in Mug Club, if you actually do hit that, you, okay, get to share in this.

01:38:12.000 There's zero.

01:38:13.000 It's 100% ownership.

01:38:13.000 And by the way, they're the only ones who demanded 100% of merch revenue.

01:38:18.000 That's not even standard.

01:38:20.000 So 100% of merch, hey, you can do the math.

01:38:23.000 Right now, you just saw the sponsors.

01:38:25.000 Sorry, you just saw the live numbers.

01:38:27.000 That's what sponsors know about.

01:38:29.000 How much can you guess can be generated from a single sponsor?

01:38:32.000 With the kind of numbers, you know, if you're doing 1.7, 1.9 million streams per show for 35 minutes.

01:38:38.000 What's the standard rate?

01:38:40.000 The point is it's a lot.

01:38:42.000 You don't have to ask for the answer.

01:38:44.000 But the point is, 100% of sponsors, 100% of subscribers, 100% of merch revenue, zero upside, but 110% penalty.

01:38:50.000 That's very different.

01:38:51.000 The premium brands charge like a $40 CPM.

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 And then what we found out 10 years ago was their view numbers were inflated because they were buying the rights to garbage network traffic views that don't matter and claiming it was a premium view.

01:39:05.000 So you know what I'm talking about.

01:39:07.000 And you know it's a problem in our industry, right?

01:39:08.000 And you know that then sponsors get trimmed and burned.

01:39:10.000 I think it's fraud.

01:39:11.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 And you know that it happens, right?

01:39:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:13.000 So this was a big problem.

01:39:14.000 Sponsors were like, The return isn't there.

01:39:18.000 And they're wondering why they start laying all these people off from these digital media companies.

01:39:21.000 It's like, look, man, if the sponsor thinks they're buying gold standard view, but for every 10 views, one is gold standard and nine is like clickbait garbage, they're wasting money.

01:39:32.000 And I think it's right.

01:39:33.000 There needs to be some consumers who are focusing on quality over quantity.

01:39:35.000 Right?

01:39:36.000 You want one-punch knockout power.

01:39:38.000 Some people can be volume punchers.

01:39:40.000 Some people can be power hitters.

01:39:41.000 You need to be able to allow for both.

01:39:42.000 That's all.

01:39:43.000 We got a very important one.

01:39:47.000 Northern Liberty Group says, can Steven just say one good thing about Canada?

01:39:51.000 I'll take Alberta or anything.

01:39:53.000 There are real conservatives and patriots up here and we did have a rebellion against the Brits.

01:39:57.000 It just failed.

01:39:57.000 That's a big ask.

01:39:58.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

01:40:00.000 Now it is, but I will say this.

01:40:01.000 A lot of people don't know, bagels came through Montreal first.

01:40:04.000 Really?

01:40:04.000 Bagels?

01:40:04.000 Where'd they come from?

01:40:05.000 I'm not saying it's original, but I'm saying it came through Montreal as opposed to New York.

01:40:10.000 If not for Montreal, there would be no bagels in North America.

01:40:12.000 Well, that would be better!

01:40:13.000 That's our French connection.

01:40:14.000 No, I will say this.

01:40:16.000 Best restaurants in the world, in Montreal, probably pound for pound, and there are a lot of great Canadians.

01:40:22.000 We could probably get an uncensored version, it would be boring here, but if you look at the Quebec separatism, a lot of that is very similar to the taxation without representation and a rugged sort of individualistic spirit.

01:40:30.000 But then they also wanted to have the language police.

01:40:32.000 You know about that?

01:40:33.000 La Ligue des Langues, where literally... Or the Spaghetti Gate, you know Spaghetti Gate?

01:40:36.000 Is this about a restaurant or a diner?

01:40:37.000 Yeah, it was an Italian restaurant, and spaghetti was spaghetti, and the language police said, why isn't it in French?

01:40:42.000 That's not French, it's Italian, like, we don't care, spell it spaghetti with an E. Yes, they said, put spaghetti in there, but there's no French for it, and they were like, doesn't matter, you have to have it in French.

01:40:54.000 It was a language police. 0.94

01:40:55.000 By the way, also a lot of French Canadians Horribly racist. 0.95

01:40:57.000 Have you seen the skit, the language police skit that went viral? 0.76

01:41:00.000 It's two guys are in like an alley and they're like talking and the cops walk up and they're like,

01:41:05.000 Hey, what are you doing?

01:41:06.000 And they're like, what? And like, hands against the wall, they're speaking French.

01:41:08.000 They're like, you know, against the wall, whatever, I can't sit.

01:41:10.000 And you know, I don't expect you to be trilingual. 0.95

01:41:12.000 No, but they put the guys up against the wall and then they're frisking them. 0.78

01:41:16.000 And then he's like, he pulls out a bag of weed and he goes, sorry, and he puts it back.

01:41:20.000 And then he keeps going and he goes, what's this?

01:41:22.000 And he pulls out an English dictionary, and he goes, ha ha!

01:41:25.000 That's not mine, I swear!

01:41:26.000 That sounds about right.

01:41:27.000 You know, it's funny, actually, like, you talk about that, like, no, I do speak French.

01:41:30.000 It was actually, I learned to read and write French first.

01:41:34.000 I spoke both. 0.71

01:41:35.000 They thought I was learning disabled, They thought I was an idiot up until the fourth grade because I had to do, the rule in Canada, and it comes from something they call pure land, which means pure wool, where they want pure French European blood. 0.85

01:41:46.000 They don't necessarily do it anymore. 0.94

01:41:48.000 And it ended up backfiring because a bunch of Haitians and Vietnamese would come in because, you know, I speak French. 0.99

01:41:52.000 And they were like, ah, Carlis, now we have all the, but not European French there.

01:41:55.000 They're black from Haiti, so they changed their laws.

01:41:58.000 But the issue is if you have one parent born in Quebec, whether they're English or not, you have to go to French immersion schools. 0.98

01:42:04.000 So it wasn't that I was that dumb.

01:42:05.000 It's that I was having to learn geography, history, math in French and was falling behind.

01:42:09.000 And when they finally threw a loophole, said, hey, if you do it as a temporary resident because your dad's American, this principal really did probably save my educational career in grade school, fourth grade, they switched me to English.

01:42:21.000 And then, you know, I made it to, like, a B-minus student.

01:42:24.000 Like, which means that I won't be a genius, but I won't be a mass shooter.

01:42:27.000 I'm right in the middle of the pack.

01:42:28.000 You never hear, like, ah, he was all right.

01:42:29.000 We'll try and get some more Super Chats.

01:42:30.000 We have this one from Jeremy Higgins.

01:42:32.000 Jordan Peterson's daughter made a video today talking about negotiating her father's contract with Daily Wire.

01:42:36.000 She said Daily Wire only owns the content on the site for the length of the time of the contract, and afterward, it returns to Jordan.

01:42:43.000 I believe that sounds incorrect.

01:42:46.000 I don't know.

01:42:47.000 I do know that Jeremy said, these are the terms of everyone, and I do know what's in that contract, and I do know they wouldn't change it.

01:42:53.000 Jeremy said, if we paid to produce it, we own it.

01:42:56.000 That would mean that... But they don't produce it. 0.70

01:42:57.000 I produce it.

01:42:58.000 It's a licensing agreement, right?

01:43:00.000 All of the cost.

01:43:00.000 If I were an employee, if that's a salary, sure.

01:43:03.000 But if it's my...

01:43:05.000 Does TriStar own Columbia's portion of that?

01:43:14.000 You know this, right?

01:43:15.000 In the entertainment industry, it's very, very common for production houses to come together.

01:43:18.000 Does one get to say, no, we own it?

01:43:20.000 No.

01:43:20.000 At that point, afterwards, it switches.

01:43:21.000 Maybe you have an agreement.

01:43:22.000 And we, by the way, that's something that we've worked into every contract that we've done.

01:43:27.000 So I don't know.

01:43:28.000 This is a very, very important.

01:43:29.000 Oh, Jeremy mentioned that everyone has different contracts.

01:43:32.000 Okay.

01:43:32.000 That he does different.

01:43:33.000 This is very important from Daniel Marx.

01:43:35.000 He did say, though, this, these terms, the big tech terms, right?

01:43:38.000 Again, it was just, these are demanded of all creators.

01:43:41.000 He said that.

01:43:42.000 So just very important here.

01:43:44.000 Daniel Marx says, Steven Crowder is the chaotic good high charisma barbarian in Dungeons and Dragons.

01:43:49.000 Is that some charismatic?

01:43:50.000 That's wild.

01:43:51.000 Super charisma.

01:43:52.000 Chaotic good for sure.

01:43:54.000 Like Robin Hood.

01:43:54.000 Oh, like evil laws willing to forego evil laws for the betterment of humanity?

01:44:00.000 I like the analogy of Robin Hood, because people think Robin Hood was a socialist.

01:44:03.000 No, Robin Hood was stealing from the people who overtaxed.

01:44:05.000 Yeah, it was simply government.

01:44:06.000 Gave back to the people.

01:44:07.000 Yes.

01:44:08.000 You don't want to strike me as a barbarian though.

01:44:09.000 Ah, you know, it depends on what I have there.

01:44:10.000 You know, it depends on what I have there.

01:44:10.000 You know, it depends on what I have.

01:44:11.000 Maybe a barbarian.

01:44:12.000 Maybe what I have for dinner.

01:44:13.000 Loud mouth, like, in the front lines, like, I'm going to make noise to get it done.

01:44:17.000 No, I'm kind of a reluctant warrior.

01:44:19.000 We prayed a lot about this before we went down this road.

01:44:22.000 Like, it was agonizing.

01:44:23.000 Like, just make you sick kind of decisions.

01:44:26.000 Because, of course, you don't want to have to do this.

01:44:29.000 Charismatic.

01:44:30.000 Maybe you're a paladin, except that, for the chaos, paladins generally are lawful.

01:44:34.000 But I don't know.

01:44:35.000 I'm just talking about video games.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:44:39.000 It all sounds about right.

01:44:40.000 The moment Ian became self-aware.

01:44:42.000 Let me read this one from Mason's Mama.

01:44:45.000 Tim is not asking the hard questions.

01:44:47.000 Crowder lacks integrity.

01:44:48.000 Name one creator Crowder launched.

01:44:51.000 He has done the exact opposite. 0.95

01:44:52.000 Not gay Jared. 1.00

01:44:53.000 Sven.

01:44:54.000 Yeah, they were on the show early on.

01:44:55.000 We've had plenty of people who work on the show and then move on.

01:44:58.000 That happens across the board.

01:45:00.000 I mean, I'm not, again, you don't have, I used to, we used to talk about this,

01:45:03.000 we used to have pride in like this super, super high retention rate where no one would leave.

01:45:07.000 But then we realized that like people, sometimes it doesn't, it's just not always the right fit

01:45:11.000 and people can go on and do something that they're more happy with.

01:45:13.000 Again, we did a whole send off with KnockAge.

01:45:15.000 We've had other people too who've been on, sometimes it's amicable, sometimes it's not.

01:45:19.000 Sometimes those are issues.

01:45:20.000 But in Nakajira's case, the guy left and I wish the guy the best.

01:45:23.000 He tweeted it out.

01:45:24.000 So again, this is the problem, right?

01:45:25.000 This is the problem with people gaslighting.

01:45:27.000 It's a tactic of the left.

01:45:28.000 And there's going to be four on one.

01:45:30.000 It's going to happen no matter what.

01:45:31.000 I'm calling it now, just like I called what was about to happen.

01:45:33.000 and they're going to shift the narrative to something else and they're going to rope other

01:45:36.000 people in. And this is why people don't speak out. It's why good people don't run for office.

01:45:41.000 Think about the Stormy Daniels, which by the way, I have no idea with Donald Trump,

01:45:44.000 but so many people came out and so many stories that were proven verifiably false. It's slinging

01:45:48.000 mud. It's personal. It's not what you hear me do. This can all end. We all just pledge we're

01:45:54.000 not going to do the enforcement of Big Ten. No one is perfect, least of all me.

01:45:58.000 At 9.10 I launched a poll. At 8 o'clock I launched a poll.

01:46:03.000 It's crazy, right?

01:46:03.000 Who is right?

01:46:03.000 It's like you're doing this time warp in the air. It's crazy, right? Who is right? 36 minutes ago, 62,000 votes.

01:46:10.000 Crowder 63%, Daily Wire 17% with 20% abstaining from the vote. How long ago was that? This was...

01:46:17.000 That was 36 minutes ago with 62,421 votes.

01:46:20.000 I abstain.

01:46:21.000 I don't think anyone's right.

01:46:23.000 That's the thing.

01:46:24.000 There are genuinely a lot of people who are like, you know, they may not like what The Daily Wire is doing, but they like that it's a cultural force in the other direction.

01:46:32.000 We need both.

01:46:33.000 I do think we need these monolithic centralized systems in accordance with decentralized content creators.

01:46:39.000 Eventually they'll start licensing work and stuff.

01:46:42.000 I understand.

01:46:42.000 Just don't say you're fighting big tech.

01:46:43.000 But you made a good point, Gerald, about... Not you.

01:46:46.000 I'm talking about people who do what I'm doing.

01:46:47.000 In ten years, it could be solidified that there's no competition, and then they go the other direction.

01:46:51.000 Let me read this one, because I have to agree.

01:46:53.000 Kid Truck says, Don't give money often, but the quote, We know what's in the box, killed me.

01:46:57.000 Nearly choked on my coffee, a Crowder mug.

01:47:00.000 Hope eventually the hostilities can settle, and Latterwith Crowder can show that standing on principle can be profitable.

01:47:06.000 The what's in the box was was I wrote I wrote on Johnny Boy who you met downstairs. Yeah, uh,

01:47:10.000 there were that was this well, that was the hardest I'd ever seen him laugh this I want the second

01:47:16.000 artist. It was the second artist. The second artist is when I get I'm not in so but when Ben

01:47:20.000 was saying like, you know, Stephen Crowder betrayed and he's a piece of shit and all the 0.84

01:47:23.000 stuff and like, and I have to tell you about Birch Gold. 1.00

01:47:25.000 He was laughing so hard when that happened.

01:47:28.000 It was the box comment, and that was the second hard I had.

01:47:30.000 I'm like, John, what are you laughing at?

01:47:31.000 He's like, they had to do live reads.

01:47:33.000 During the rant.

01:47:34.000 During the rant.

01:47:36.000 That was the thing.

01:47:36.000 It was the ranting on how bad this is.

01:47:39.000 And there's nothing wrong, again, there's nothing wrong with people who do radio on TV.

01:47:42.000 Right.

01:47:44.000 I can't do four or five commercials the way we do them each day, whether it's a Good Rancher commercial, whether it's a whole film series.

01:47:52.000 You know, Walther, we've done a parody of every major horror film.

01:47:56.000 Horror films don't work when you have a Walther. 0.98

01:47:57.000 We can't do that and do it five times a day.

01:47:59.000 And it fell on deaf ears.

01:48:01.000 We're just saying, hey, More people pay far, far more for one spot.

01:48:05.000 Just let us keep doing the sketches, the kind of material that people have invested in.

01:48:10.000 This is the model.

01:48:11.000 I'm not saying that can't be a model, though you can enforce big tech.

01:48:17.000 I'm saying that there can't only be one model for everyone, because we're not all that way.

01:48:23.000 And then we bitch about how the power that Hollywood has because they allow creatives

01:48:25.000 the ability to be creative.

01:48:27.000 And it really is.

01:48:28.000 Look, there is more diverse.

01:48:29.000 And I'm not just talking about diversity as far as, you know, hitting the right demographics.

01:48:31.000 I'm talking about people doing different kinds of content.

01:48:34.000 We're the only ones doing what we do.

01:48:36.000 And I would love to see 10 more people doing it.

01:48:38.000 And I see it as a huge win that Ben was streaming on Rumble today.

01:48:42.000 Huge.

01:48:43.000 Yeah.

01:48:44.000 And I would, if he comes over on Rumble, and by the way, not just Rumble, but do both and

01:48:47.000 just cleans our clock, I would, I hope there's 10 more of them and 10 more of me.

01:48:51.000 You're talking about Ben Shapiro?

01:48:53.000 Oh, that's great.

01:48:54.000 I'm glad to see it.

01:48:55.000 And I still would love to see it.

01:48:58.000 Just don't say you're fighting big tech when you're enforcing big tech by mandate.

01:49:02.000 That's the second point.

01:49:03.000 David Minear says, I'm happy to spend $100 to tell Crowder he's a whiny baby.

01:49:08.000 Daily Wire won this fight, wasn't even close.

01:49:12.000 You spent $100?

01:49:13.000 Can't change.

01:49:15.000 And then you made that money?

01:49:16.000 Yes.

01:49:17.000 That's a win!

01:49:18.000 Good for you!

01:49:19.000 75% of it or something.

01:49:22.000 YouTube took $30.

01:49:22.000 Good for you!

01:49:23.000 Or more.

01:49:24.000 It'd take a lot from the Super Chats.

01:49:26.000 So that should change too with these platforms.

01:49:27.000 You should be getting all the revenue.

01:49:29.000 All the Super Chat revenue should be going directly to you.

01:49:31.000 You know, I read the one where they said, I'm not asking hard questions.

01:49:34.000 I'm not here to ignore people who have criticisms and want their voices to be heard.

01:49:39.000 I want to make sure there's a substantive conversation, and I read if people are happy or unhappy.

01:49:42.000 Sure.

01:49:43.000 Thomas says, Brett Cooper, the youngest employee, said she doesn't have the demonetization penalties.

01:49:48.000 This seems to invalidate Crowder's point.

01:49:51.000 Candace said that she recognized the clauses in her own contract.

01:49:53.000 And Jeremy said that they are in the contract.

01:49:55.000 And this is the one thing.

01:49:56.000 They've never addressed it beyond, well, we have to make money.

01:49:59.000 But again, how are you making money off of penalizing someone for being demonetized when they haven't been monetized for years when they come in?

01:50:06.000 So it would be one thing if everyone said it.

01:50:08.000 They said at the top, no, this is for everybody.

01:50:11.000 Candace said, I recognize those clauses in the contract.

01:50:15.000 Brett Cooper is saying it's not.

01:50:16.000 If that's the case, great.

01:50:18.000 But that was the sticking point here.

01:50:20.000 There was no offer after that.

01:50:22.000 And if someone said, hey, sure, we can change this.

01:50:24.000 Great.

01:50:25.000 That's not what was said.

01:50:26.000 And you saw the transcript.

01:50:27.000 You know it wasn't said.

01:50:28.000 You know this is how we do it.

01:50:30.000 Did you guys have access to all your Mug Club subscribers and the number of them and all that before you went into the talks?

01:50:36.000 Did you have that data?

01:50:38.000 because I would have based my entire contract off of that, not how long are you going to be monetized on YouTube.

01:50:43.000 That was our biggest problem, was that we didn't have a real good way.

01:50:46.000 That's why we had to launch Mug Club Forever, is to make sure that we had everybody who wanted to, 0.99

01:50:50.000 was in Mug Club, or wanted to sign up for it.

01:50:53.000 And we could reach out to those people.

01:50:54.000 It's industry standard where they don't tell you.

01:50:56.000 And they don't even necessarily have to tell you your number of viewers.

01:50:58.000 But it doesn't have to be.

01:51:00.000 But that's why I showed Tim some numbers that are off the record where you can do an estimate.

01:51:00.000 It doesn't need to be that way.

01:51:05.000 Absolute baseline minimum is $300,000.

01:51:09.000 That's because the contract with Blaze said they're going to keep that data and so only they knew?

01:51:14.000 Well, I can address that.

01:51:16.000 I'm not going to address necessarily specific terms that were in that contract.

01:51:20.000 Because if you sign something that says you won't talk about it, you don't.

01:51:24.000 It's not the case with the term sheet.

01:51:25.000 Exactly.

01:51:26.000 So I'll make the claims.

01:51:28.000 It looks like that happened.

01:51:29.000 I don't know.

01:51:30.000 Well, you know, you can enter in your email at MugClubForever so we don't lose touch with you.

01:51:33.000 MugClubForever.

01:51:34.000 We had a good idea based on... Gerald, you can... I think... This is the thing, right?

01:51:40.000 This is the problem with contracts.

01:51:41.000 There's a big difference between an NDA and you're asking... I will say this.

01:51:44.000 It is industry standard.

01:51:45.000 I don't know of any, except for, you know, Rumble tweeted that out.

01:51:48.000 I don't know how it works with locals where they said... I think they said if you generate subscribers, you can take your subscribers.

01:51:53.000 They're yours to begin with.

01:51:54.000 They're never the company's, from what I understand.

01:51:56.000 There.

01:51:57.000 But industry standard is, it's opaque by design.

01:52:00.000 Yeah, I think the only company that can actually offer the deal that you keep your members is Rumble.

01:52:06.000 So I think, you know, Rumble's doing a bunch of deals with people, and I'm pretty sure those deals are, while we have you signed, the revenue comes to us.

01:52:14.000 When the term ends, the membership revenue is yours.

01:52:17.000 It's a part of your account that you own, and we've no longer licensed it.

01:52:21.000 For these other companies, there's no way to effectively take a portion of your members and put them on a different website.

01:52:27.000 Right.

01:52:27.000 Yeah.

01:52:27.000 Well, that's also what you're doing with this sort of decentralized tool that you're discussing, which sort of solves that problem a little bit.

01:52:32.000 Yeah, the front-end part of it.

01:52:34.000 Like, Rumble, the great thing is it's a back-end service where it hosts.

01:52:36.000 Like, Daily Wire, I don't think they have a host.

01:52:38.000 Do they host their own data?

01:52:40.000 I don't know.

01:52:41.000 Yeah, so that's challenging.

01:52:42.000 If you're just a front-end facility that you're just kind of making money off the personalities themselves, not the actual data.

01:52:49.000 But if you control the data, then you can give it back to people.

01:52:51.000 I want to try and just read as many as we can.

01:52:54.000 WeThePeople says, I was abstain in the poll earlier, but the second half, I voted now in favor of Steven Crowder, Fightback.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, so this is interesting.

01:53:04.000 When the story first broke, we did a poll.

01:53:07.000 85% Crowder is Right, very small percentage in favor of the Daily Wire.

01:53:10.000 We didn't have the Epstein in it.

01:53:11.000 Candace Owens comes on the show.

01:53:13.000 It then dropped down to like 55 to 60% Crowder is Right, 40 or so percent Daily Wire is Right.

01:53:18.000 We did the show today.

01:53:19.000 Obviously, you guys erected a lot of your fans to the show, so there's a big swing in your favor, but the second poll more dramatically swung in your favor.

01:53:26.000 Well, so did the biggest, most powerful conservative network in the world, according to how their press release is Daily Wire.

01:53:30.000 I would assume that when their people come on, it would be the same thing.

01:53:33.000 Here's the thing.

01:53:35.000 I shouldn't even be in the same ballpark.

01:53:38.000 In other words, there's such a dearth of creative content out there that I'm even within striking distance with no seed money, certainly not multi-millionaires or billionaires front-loading it, it shouldn't even be close.

01:53:57.000 And I can tell you, Now, live number... Hey, Tim, let me ask you this.

01:54:00.000 What's the toughest number to cheat?

01:54:02.000 When you're talking about, like, people adding... Oh, you can't cheat the... You can cheat your live viewer numbers.

01:54:08.000 It's tougher, though, right?

01:54:09.000 It's... Look, when it comes to, like... You could buy a YouTube video.

01:54:13.000 In fact, anyone can advertise any YouTube video.

01:54:16.000 You can go on Google Ads, take a video from some random little kid, pay for 100,000, 10,000 views, if you want, and that kid will have no idea it happened.

01:54:16.000 Right.

01:54:26.000 That would be a great gift.

01:54:29.000 No, it's a make-a-wish.

01:54:29.000 It's a curse.

01:54:31.000 Make them feel better before they go.

01:54:35.000 That's dark.

01:54:36.000 I didn't mean the Ronald McDonald House for crying out loud.

01:54:44.000 We used to do that, of course, where you could run videos just through Google AdSense.

01:54:48.000 We've been barred for a very long time from doing that.

01:54:49.000 And I want to be clear, I have no problem None whatsoever with people advertising.

01:54:54.000 I think I want more conservatives to have advertising budgets because I want us to outfight the left.

01:54:58.000 I have no problem with people choosing, and it's a strategy, to be monetized on YouTube.

01:55:03.000 I think at a certain point when you look at the advertiser guidelines, which are very different from the content guidelines, they include you could be demonetized for Controversial topics, sensitive issues.

01:55:15.000 I don't even want to say it's a slippery slope.

01:55:18.000 They've already covered everything under that with their umbrella.

01:55:20.000 Don't have a problem with someone making that decision.

01:55:23.000 I only have a problem when you tell people that you are fighting back and they are expecting it and investing and you're not and you're demanding that everybody else Do it the same way as you do.

01:55:33.000 There's only one side demanding that.

01:55:35.000 We get rid of that, I'll go on a press tour for all these companies.

01:55:40.000 I mean it.

01:55:40.000 Get rid of the punitive mandates against conservative content creators.

01:55:44.000 Period.

01:55:44.000 As a matter of policy, we're done here.

01:55:47.000 Forever. 1.00

01:55:48.000 That's a stupid one. 1.00

01:55:50.000 Cassata says I'm so good. 1.00

01:55:52.000 I still get stuck with payment services.

01:55:54.000 I'm trying to find good questionnaires.

01:55:56.000 There's always some big something that's there.

01:55:58.000 Either the payment services with...

01:56:00.000 I mean we got Parallel Economy, which is like Dan Bongino's new payment service company.

01:56:02.000 It's probably better than PayPal and Stripe.

01:56:04.000 I don't know if it's better than Stripe. I don't know.

01:56:06.000 You always have to be careful because someone's going to get pissed off.

01:56:07.000 I want to have the creators of Stripe on the show.

01:56:09.000 Come on, guys, and let's talk about it.

01:56:11.000 I want to read these two.

01:56:11.000 David Cassata says, I'm so glad Stephen came out about this because many leaders in the church use and abuse other Christians.

01:56:18.000 They try to use them as volunteers, then they offer super low-tiered payment options.

01:56:25.000 Yeah, he did.

01:56:27.000 And by the way, it's a big problem too if there's a huge, unlike the left, there's far too much influence from nonprofits on the conservative side.

01:56:33.000 And a lot of these, this is another big part, a part of big con that we haven't even gotten into.

01:56:36.000 You have a lot of these companies and this is not, I'm not saying daily, daily wire.

01:56:40.000 Again, there are a lot of companies where they have a nonprofit wing and we all know there's a big difference between a 501c3 and a 501c4.

01:56:45.000 And the audits that have taken place, because what happens is the non-profit money, you have donors go in there, but then that's used in some way to help generate content where they collect the profit.

01:56:53.000 And yeah, it does happen in churches.

01:56:55.000 Gerald, you know that too.

01:56:57.000 Where it's like, it's non-profit.

01:56:58.000 Unfortunately.

01:56:59.000 Someone is profiting at some point.

01:57:00.000 So we do need to uncouple, we need to divest from this undue influence of just non-profits.

01:57:08.000 And we need to divest from doing big text bidding.

01:57:12.000 Here's one from Two Coppers.

01:57:14.000 It says, I am a Daily Wire subscriber, and I was under the impression that my money was helping to protect their message from the predation of big tech censors.

01:57:21.000 As a subscriber, my trust was what was betrayed.

01:57:24.000 That's an interesting point.

01:57:27.000 The one thing I brought to people is, like, look, whether you agree or disagree with Crowder, there's a question of, why penalize someone for using YouTube access when the goal is to build a subscription business?

01:57:37.000 Exactly.

01:57:39.000 At some point, that should be the goal.

01:57:41.000 Does Netflix say to their show creators, if your show gets pulled from YouTube, we're cutting your fees, despite the fact we charge $10 a month for them to watch it on Netflix?

01:57:49.000 You think Netflix charges Winona Ryder if the Stranger Things premiere doesn't do well? 1.00

01:57:53.000 Again, that's impermissible.

01:57:54.000 It's not even legal in the entertainment industry.

01:57:57.000 How can you run a business and not incur any risk?

01:58:01.000 It's incumbent upon you.

01:58:03.000 Where it's like, what, should we take the risk?

01:58:04.000 Yes!

01:58:05.000 Yes, you're running the business!

01:58:06.000 That's what being a business owner is, right?

01:58:08.000 You sink or swim.

01:58:09.000 You eat what you kill. 0.80

01:58:10.000 Yes!

01:58:11.000 Not the employee, or in the case of an actual independent production house, you don't penalize them for something that they weren't making in the first place.

01:58:18.000 Yes, you do incur some risk.

01:58:20.000 And in this scenario, it was a no-risk situation, personally.

01:58:24.000 Why would you build it this way, right?

01:58:25.000 We've talked about this.

01:58:26.000 Like, you built your career on YouTube, is the argument that people use.

01:58:28.000 Right.

01:58:28.000 Last three years, unmonetized.

01:58:31.000 Yes, we're trying to speak the most truth to the greatest number of people possible.

01:58:35.000 We can't just all have behind-the-paywall honest conversations, because then you don't affect people at the biggest possible tech company out there.

01:58:45.000 But don't go so far as to play by this additional set of rules that really restricts what you're able to say.

01:58:50.000 and punish the creators, yeah.

01:58:52.000 We have only like one other real show, it's him cast, like live show I'm saying.

01:58:58.000 Tales from the Inverted World exists, Shane Cashman does amazing writing work,

01:59:01.000 but we have Pop Culture Crisis, 3 p.m.

01:59:03.000 Monday through Friday I believe.

01:59:04.000 Brett Desevic and Mary Morgan host the show.

01:59:08.000 It is a very, very similar format to this, except they have money guns.

01:59:11.000 When you super chat, money shoots in the air, and then every hundred thousand super chats,

01:59:14.000 the sirens go off and the money sprays like crazy.

01:59:16.000 That's why I signed a waiver that was very lengthy.

01:59:18.000 It's very dangerous.

01:59:20.000 But I have no contract or policy with them about suspension or banning.

01:59:24.000 If they got pulled from YouTube, we'd be like, I guess you're on Rumble.

01:59:28.000 And you'd be fine with it.

01:59:29.000 There's nothing wrong with choosing to be monetized.

01:59:32.000 There's nothing wrong with you making that choice or any other creator out there making that choice.

01:59:35.000 There's just something wrong with somebody enforcing it.

01:59:37.000 I'm saying, like, I have no policy for that.

01:59:39.000 Their pay doesn't change.

01:59:42.000 We are investing in the creation of this show, and it's going to take the form that it has to take.

01:59:48.000 Obviously, they're better off on YouTube in terms of growth, but we got them on Apple and Spotify and Google and all the podcast platforms, and I'd actually rather grow that market than YouTube.

01:59:59.000 I don't care about YouTube.

02:00:00.000 No, I agree.

02:00:00.000 Podcasts way better.

02:00:01.000 That's when I get excited too, like when our numbers switched from the vast majority on YouTube, you know, to it splitting and then to the point where it tipped in Rumble's favor, you know, I come out and when they tell me that when we're doing that, I get really excited.

02:00:12.000 You know, when we do those numbers, like the 300, I think it was 350 on election night

02:00:16.000 before the servers crashed.

02:00:18.000 And Rumble is not a perfect company, I love them, but we told them like strengthen the

02:00:21.000 servers.

02:00:22.000 They're like, yeah, yeah, we got it.

02:00:23.000 I'm like, I don't think you fully got it.

02:00:24.000 But that was more exciting than having whatever we had, half a million, 600,000 on YouTube.

02:00:29.000 I get that you want to hit critical mass on YouTube, but it is exciting to – we've

02:00:33.000 talked about this for years, when you're at a point where you can actually be a brother

02:00:36.000 in arms, brother, sister, Z in arms with people who are flipping it to the French government,

02:00:41.000 people who are saying, no, we practice what we preach, not saying only be on Rumble.

02:00:45.000 But isn't that exciting that there is at least some kind of viable alternative where you can get enough to use now that you can make a living?

02:00:51.000 That's a big development.

02:00:53.000 And that's also proof of concept that we don't have to do business the way that people on the big con side say it's a requirement.

02:00:59.000 At some point, I'm going to have to pee.

02:01:00.000 I'm going to read just two more superchats.

02:01:03.000 Floating eyeball.

02:01:04.000 All right.

02:01:04.000 First, GameOver says, I'm canceling my TimCast subscription for the CNN talking to Biden level of softballing.

02:01:11.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

02:01:12.000 No, that's fine.

02:01:13.000 Look, if... What hard question did we dodge?

02:01:17.000 Well, I mean... What did you not ask us that people were talking about?

02:01:20.000 Yeah, about this topic.

02:01:21.000 I think I've said it over and over again that I ideologically agree with Stephen.

02:01:21.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:01:25.000 I disagree tactically to a certain extent, like the recording of the phone call.

02:01:28.000 But you do see the context being different.

02:01:30.000 What am I going to do?

02:01:30.000 Scold you?

02:01:31.000 Am I going to scold you on the show and be like, how dare you, Stephen?

02:01:33.000 Or am I going to be like, tell me why you did it?

02:01:34.000 Well, no, I understand.

02:01:35.000 Like you said, they say betraying a friend.

02:01:37.000 I say the betrayal.

02:01:38.000 First off, it's been taking place for years.

02:01:40.000 Betraying the movement, the people who support you and invest you.

02:01:43.000 The first betrayal in this sequence of events was the term sheet.

02:01:47.000 And yeah, you saw now with going after talent, right?

02:01:51.000 Create behind the scenes poaching people.

02:01:53.000 I can only show you one.

02:01:55.000 I could tell you there's a lot more, but that guy said it's okay to show it.

02:01:58.000 Hopefully that provides a little bit more context.

02:02:00.000 I think we had a respectful and cordial discussion.

02:02:02.000 I think some people are asking if it was the agent or you that counter-offered.

02:02:06.000 That's what people are asking.

02:02:07.000 So they went, from my understanding with the agent, is they said, okay, here's a number, and this is 100% of everything.

02:02:14.000 And my agent, who is unbelievable, he's just, again, he's left the big agencies.

02:02:18.000 He's gay, he's Latino, and he's to the right of Attila the Hun. 1.00

02:02:21.000 He's Cuban. 0.98

02:02:21.000 He also doesn't like Puerto Ricans, but that's the only thing you have to ask him about because he's Cuban. 0.98

02:02:25.000 It's hilarious, because he can get away with it.

02:02:27.000 He said, well, if you want 100% of everything, here you go.

02:02:29.000 Jeremy said, right, we started low, we would have gone a lot higher.

02:02:32.000 If you're talking about the money part, he said, if you want 100% of everything, this is the number.

02:02:36.000 It's higher.

02:02:36.000 But these are the non-starters.

02:02:38.000 We were very clear, these are the non-starters.

02:02:39.000 There was never anything suggested that got rid of the non-starters.

02:02:45.000 And that's the part where you start to lose faith.

02:02:47.000 And I, frankly, to my everlasting shame, felt like, oh, well, there's no hope here.

02:02:52.000 These are the non-starters, and this is in every clause.

02:02:54.000 We'll grab one more Super Chat so then Steve can go urinate.

02:02:57.000 Peter Piper says, I agree with everything Crowder is saying about the offer being bad.

02:03:01.000 How does he justify this is good for conservatism by creating schisms?

02:03:05.000 It's like he is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

02:03:07.000 Change my mind.

02:03:08.000 I would have agreed three years ago, maybe, where this has been happening for a long time

02:03:13.000 when you sit down and they go, nope, nope, this is how it has to be.

02:03:16.000 At a certain point, do I believe that the conservative movement is better off now when

02:03:20.000 you know, when you see behind the curtain, that these are the kinds of terms that cannot

02:03:24.000 be changed by their own words to all major content creators out there?

02:03:30.000 I wouldn't have been able to create what I've created.

02:03:32.000 You know, Tim, that you wouldn't have been able to have created what you have created under these kinds of terms, and no one else will be able to.

02:03:38.000 If it continues this way, we will continue to lose, and the public will be surprised and dumbfounded.

02:03:46.000 Well, the last thing I'll say is I had conversations with the Daily Wire and ultimately we decided it wasn't going to work.

02:03:52.000 The difference between my approach and your approach is that I just said, look, I'm going to go build my own thing.

02:03:56.000 Best of luck.

02:03:57.000 I appreciate the work you do.

02:03:58.000 I wouldn't want to do business in the way you do it, but that's your business, not mine.

02:04:01.000 And that's all I did.

02:04:03.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:04.000 Yeah, and I understand it.

02:04:05.000 At a certain point, it's like you can move on and just tilt the rearview mirror away to the wreckage.

02:04:10.000 And I'm not saying that that's the same case with you.

02:04:12.000 I don't know what the terms are for you.

02:04:14.000 But in this case, based on what you see there, It's fundamentally immoral, and I think, again, who does it hurt?

02:04:19.000 It hurts the sponsors, it hurts the investors, it hurts the viewers, and it hurts the creators.

02:04:25.000 And that ultimately hurts the country, and it hurts the movement. 0.99

02:04:28.000 If you say you're fighting big tech, fucking fight. 0.99

02:04:31.000 Let's do this. 0.98

02:04:32.000 I'll talk to you guys a little bit more about some of the offers that we've received, and how they work, and why they don't play out.

02:04:38.000 I'll get a little bit more into the...

02:04:41.000 The terms I was offered by various companies, we'll explain that in the Members Only Show, so go to TimCast.com, if you aren't already, click the Join Us button, sign up, we're going to have an uncensored Members Only Show, I'll talk a little bit more about the inner workings of the deals, and I'll talk as much as I can about what I've been offered and why I said no, and then I'll ask Stephen how he really feels.

02:04:59.000 So, again, go to TimCast.com, become a member of the Members Only.

02:05:02.000 Well, they can go to Louisville February 10th, but it'll all be based on jokes.

02:05:06.000 It's not like I have anything to go off my chest.

02:05:07.000 I'll say this.

02:05:08.000 You can follow the show at TimCast.rl.

02:05:10.000 You can follow me at TimCast.

02:05:11.000 Again, TimCast.com for the uncensored show.

02:05:13.000 I'll post the link on YouTube after the show wraps.

02:05:15.000 Do you guys want to promote anything, shout anything out before you go?

02:05:19.000 No, I mean, the thing is, I will say the owner of this guy, he owns like Louisville, Oklahoma City, I think, and a bunch of comedy clubs, you know, because they booked six months out, he actually made it possible where I was able to buy the headliner for that week and like pay his fee to be able to do this because, you know, this all kind of happened last minute.

02:05:35.000 Uh, yeah, louderwithcrowder.com slash tour, where, uh, you know, an hour and a half every night, uncensored.

02:05:40.000 We'll just keep adding shows, doing smaller venues.

02:05:41.000 So, we can't do the theaters until probably next quarter, but it's always fun.

02:05:45.000 And I think the people who watch this know you better than they know me anyway.

02:05:49.000 Louder with Crowder is your show.

02:05:50.000 Steven Crowder on YouTube, at S. Crowder on Twitter.

02:05:52.000 Gerald, did you want to shout any socials?

02:05:54.000 G. Morgan Jr.

02:05:55.000 He's very, very milquetoast.

02:05:57.000 He's very kind.

02:05:58.000 If he gets mad, It's been a little upset.

02:05:58.000 Oh, yeah, we'll get along.

02:06:02.000 Mildly perturbed.

02:06:04.000 Go pee!

02:06:05.000 Is that your Twitter account?

02:06:06.000 What was that again?

02:06:08.000 At gmorganjr.

02:06:09.000 Thank you guys so much for coming and having a cordial, respectful dialogue and discussion here.

02:06:13.000 In the beginning of this broadcast, I told everyone about my new venture and website, I'mtherealog.com, and as soon as I did, my web guy told me we were DDoS'd.

02:06:20.000 Yes, don't worry.

02:06:22.000 You can have your Taco Bell, and we won't know anything about it.

02:06:25.000 But we were DDoSed, and the website was down in the beginning of this broadcast.

02:06:28.000 It is now back up.

02:06:31.000 I'm therealog.com, and I'm going to miss you guys.

02:06:33.000 This was a fun, crazy last show.

02:06:37.000 I'm going to be doing meetups, lots of fun, exciting projects.

02:06:40.000 First dibs are going to be members on lukeuncensored.com.

02:06:43.000 Best way to get in touch with me, lukeuncensored.com.

02:06:45.000 See you there, and holy cow! 1.00

02:06:48.000 This was fun.

02:06:49.000 I'm going to be in Florida for a while, and you guys keep up the great work.

02:06:53.000 Ian, keep it up.

02:06:54.000 Real quick, I want to give a shout out to Mark Dice, and just apologize, because I know Mark.

02:06:59.000 He superchatted a bunch.

02:07:00.000 YouTube deleted the first hour of superchats, because that's what they do.

02:07:04.000 What?

02:07:04.000 We get too many.

02:07:05.000 At a certain portion, they just start disappearing, and then there's one thing we can do, and we can go into the back end and try and start scrolling through and pulling them back up.

02:07:16.000 But it's difficult.

02:07:18.000 What we need to do, especially as we get into the new studio space, look, we don't even have a headphone dial, like volume control for the guests.

02:07:25.000 It's just all done by Callan or Serge or whoever's at the control.

02:07:29.000 So we're trying to continually up and improve to get to that point.

02:07:33.000 One thing we're going to do is we're going to have super chats grabbed during the show so we don't miss anything, especially big ones.

02:07:38.000 But Mark, shout out and apologies.

02:07:42.000 I mean, I can't.

02:07:44.000 That's why I brought up his Super Chat because I saw the Super Chats at the beginning and I mentioned his Super Chat.

02:07:48.000 So he got his money's worth.

02:07:49.000 Mark, you got it.

02:07:50.000 I mentioned it.

02:07:50.000 I talked about it in some ways.

02:07:52.000 But again, thank you guys so much for dealing with me and having me here.

02:07:56.000 I really appreciate it from the bottom of my heart.

02:07:57.000 It'll sink in after you leave how sad it is that you're gone.

02:08:00.000 But I'm happy that you're doing what you love.

02:08:02.000 Moving on.

02:08:03.000 I appreciate it.

02:08:04.000 Thank you.

02:08:05.000 Gerald, great to see you, man.

02:08:06.000 Steven, always a pleasure.

02:08:07.000 I think he's in the bathroom.

02:08:09.000 I want to point you guys, point people at MugClubForever.com.

02:08:12.000 MugClubForever.com, yeah.

02:08:14.000 Again, this is not an information site.

02:08:16.000 This isn't like, hey, stay up to date on what's going on.

02:08:18.000 It's if you want to join MugClub or you're a member of MugClub already, MugClubForever.com, enter your email address.

02:08:23.000 You will not get any emails other than one that says, here's what we're doing and here's how to sign up.

02:08:30.000 Thanks again for coming, guys.

02:08:31.000 Did I miss it?

02:08:32.000 You missed it.

02:08:33.000 We're still live.

02:08:34.000 We're still going.

02:08:36.000 Again, I'm Kellen PDL.

02:08:37.000 Thanks guys for having me.

02:08:39.000 Gerald Stephen.

02:08:39.000 I've been watching you guys for years.

02:08:41.000 Love what you guys do.

02:08:42.000 Keep fighting the good fight.

02:08:45.000 And Luke, I'm going to be missing you.

02:08:48.000 I remember one of the first days I started here, they're like, hey, we have to get the stuff out of the attic.

02:08:52.000 Luke's coming.

02:08:53.000 I'm like, oh boy, here we go.

02:08:54.000 And it seemed like yesterday, and you're already leaving for sunny Miami.

02:08:58.000 Time flies by when you're talking about the Parks Department being horrible, along with the IRS and the Federal Reserve.

02:09:03.000 I want to hear more about that.

02:09:04.000 You must hate Teddy Roosevelt.

02:09:05.000 And the FBI and all these other federal institutions.

02:09:07.000 Glenn Maxwell came out today.

02:09:09.000 We might hopefully talk about that on the After Show.

02:09:11.000 Alright, everybody, head over to TimCast.com for the members-only show.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 24, 2023

Timcast IRL - Steven Crowder Joins To Discuss StopBigCon.Com Live At 8PM EST

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