Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Survivor Of Mao's Cultural Revolution Says Its Happening Here w-Lily Tang Williams

00:00:00.000 The suspension on the deck ceiling.

00:00:23.000 It's over.

00:00:24.000 The debt ceiling has not been raised, and the US is now essentially liquidating assets to pay its debts.

00:00:29.000 Which is scary, but hopefully they'll raise the debt ceiling, because it seems kind of dumb not to anyway.

00:00:33.000 They just do it and keep taking in more and more debt.

00:00:35.000 But at the same time, the eviction moratorium has ended.

00:00:38.000 It seems like things are kind of breaking and falling apart because now we're hearing there's got to be more more restrictions, more masks.

00:00:44.000 All of this weird authoritarian stuff is happening.

00:00:47.000 Meanwhile, in Chicago, they're saying, hey, everybody, you got to wear masks.

00:00:49.000 We got to get this thing under control.

00:00:51.000 And then they have Lollapalooza with thousands of people not wearing masks all partying.

00:00:55.000 They say the vaccine is here, it's got excellent efficacy, and yet still they're saying we need to lock everything down.

00:01:02.000 It just seems like creeping authoritarianism on top of all that.

00:01:05.000 Critical race theory and critical race applied principles.

00:01:09.000 The wokeness seeping into our government, into our culture, into our politics. 0.86

00:01:13.000 It's... I guess you put these things together and it sounds like really bad things are happening, obviously.

00:01:18.000 And our economy is in trouble, our government is in trouble, and our culture is in trouble.

00:01:22.000 And now we're being joined by an actual survivor of Mao's Cultural Revolution who says that there is a cultural revolution happening here in the U.S.

00:01:30.000 and it is critical race theory.

00:01:32.000 We are joined by Lilitong Williams.

00:01:34.000 Do you want to introduce yourself?

00:01:37.000 Hi Tim, thanks for having me.

00:01:38.000 Nice to meet you, because I've been watching you guys for a while.

00:01:41.000 Yes, I actually was born in Chengdu, Sichuan province of PRC, two years before Mao's Cultural Revolution.

00:01:49.000 Two years, so I did not know anything, I was a child.

00:01:52.000 And so from 1966, From 1958 to 1976, Mao used the Cultural Revolution to really purge his political enemies inside of the Communist Party.

00:02:09.000 Do you know about the Great Leap Forward?

00:02:11.000 from 1958 to 1961 Mao basically his policies and made a estimated 20 million

00:02:23.000 to 40 million Chinese died of mass famine We were told, of course later, I was too young at that time, not born yet.

00:02:34.000 But when I was growing up, they said that was three years natural disasters.

00:02:38.000 Wow.

00:02:38.000 That lie, I did not know anything about it until I come to this country.

00:02:43.000 I discovered the truth.

00:02:45.000 But today, in mainland China, 1.4 billion people I bet there are still majority people don't know the truth. 0.91

00:02:54.000 If they know, they might not be so, you know, like quiet and passive, which just made them continue to rule over them.

00:03:01.000 And so Mao basically lost some power.

00:03:04.000 We got a new, called President Liu Shaoqi, and he saw him as a threat with his supporters.

00:03:12.000 So Mao went outside of Beijing and used the What do you call it?

00:03:19.000 Naive, college student, idealistic, who worship him to start cultural revolution to say we're gonna get rid of four olds. 1.00

00:03:29.000 What is four olds?

00:03:31.000 You can even make that connection today.

00:03:33.000 It's called old culture, old custom, old ideas, and old habits.

00:03:40.000 Let's use cultural revolution to get rid of all those.

00:03:43.000 So, change names?

00:03:46.000 And changing last names of your family members to cut ties.

00:03:50.000 So all that stuff we can get into.

00:03:52.000 Yeah.

00:03:52.000 A lot of it's like 1984.

00:03:52.000 The statues were taken down.

00:03:55.000 The names of streets were changed.

00:03:57.000 Everything that was old was purged.

00:03:59.000 We'll talk about all of that.

00:04:00.000 We'll talk about your story.

00:04:01.000 We're also hanging out with Ian.

00:04:02.000 I'm very excited that you're here, Lily.

00:04:04.000 Thank you for coming.

00:04:06.000 My pleasure, Ying.

00:04:07.000 And I am also excited to be here and listen to your stories, because I think this is exceedingly important for this time in American history, unfortunately.

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00:04:29.000 We just had a meeting about one of our other shows.

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00:04:43.000 Talking about it, complaining about it, isn't enough.

00:04:46.000 What do we have as an alternative?

00:04:48.000 What will make people feel good and say, you know what, that authoritarianism, I don't want that stuff.

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00:05:00.000 Today's going to be very conversational because this is a warning to everybody.

00:05:04.000 You know, we've said on the show many times that critical race theory, critical race applied principles, leftist identitarianism, whatever the word is, we can see what's happening.

00:05:14.000 And they use different ways to manipulate.

00:05:16.000 They'll say, oh, it's not critical race theory.

00:05:17.000 Oh, wokeness doesn't mean anything.

00:05:19.000 Oh, that's a pejorative.

00:05:20.000 Oh, social justice.

00:05:21.000 They change the word every time.

00:05:22.000 That's why I say wokeness or leftist identitarianism, whatever you want to call it.

00:05:27.000 We'll call it the left's cultural revolution.

00:05:29.000 We have somebody who actually experienced it, who knows a bit about what happens if you don't resist it.

00:05:34.000 And someone who is saying it's happening here, which should be a warning to everybody.

00:05:38.000 That should be more than scary, I suppose.

00:05:41.000 But, you know, keep calm and carry on and we'll learn about what's happening.

00:05:44.000 So let's just jump in and get started.

00:05:46.000 Do you want to tell us first?

00:05:49.000 Let's start here in America.

00:05:51.000 You said that what's happening here with critical race theory.

00:05:54.000 And I think it's important to mention it's well beyond critical race theory.

00:05:58.000 But these changes we're seeing from the left, this is a culture revolution in America.

00:06:04.000 Well, as somebody who survived Mao's Cultural Revolution, it's very terrifying to see lots of similarities.

00:06:14.000 The similarities that people who don't know about Mao's Cultural Revolution, he used Karl Marx theory, communist manifesto author, to separate people into primarily two big groups.

00:06:30.000 We all heard those names.

00:06:32.000 Oppressor versus oppressed.

00:06:35.000 And who are under oppressor's group in Mao's China?

00:06:40.000 Rich farmers, landlord, Rightist, bad influencers, and country revolutionaries.

00:06:51.000 Sounds familiar?

00:06:52.000 Bad influencers.

00:06:53.000 Yeah, who are those people?

00:06:55.000 And rightists.

00:06:56.000 Yes.

00:06:56.000 That's like basically anybody.

00:06:58.000 They could just be like, you're a bad influencer.

00:06:59.000 Anybody who is not in line with Mao's party, which is one party ruling China today, CCP, China's Communist Party, and anybody who disagrees with the party policies or trying

00:07:18.000 to offer some suggestions to say we can improve China better, maybe by doing better economically,

00:07:26.000 you all can be classified as the so-called black classes, five classes.

00:07:34.000 They're under oppressed.

00:07:36.000 I was one of supposed to be oppressed, called workers, peasants, Communist Party members, officials, People's Liberation Armies.

00:07:48.000 Because communism is all about Politarians rule.

00:07:53.000 Workers unite.

00:07:54.000 Right?

00:07:54.000 Have you heard that before?

00:07:55.000 Marxist terms?

00:07:57.000 Oh, you couldn't call that equity!

00:07:59.000 Equity today!

00:08:00.000 Do people even know that's a communist term?

00:08:03.000 Equity equals outcomes by forcefully doing wealth redistribution.

00:08:10.000 That's what Mao did.

00:08:12.000 He promised we're going to have, you know, land taken from the rich, give to the peasants.

00:08:19.000 We're going to take over all the private properties like factories, industries, so we can give to the people equally.

00:08:29.000 People always buy into that kind of promise that never came.

00:08:34.000 You know, never came.

00:08:35.000 And how many people did he kill to enact that vision?

00:08:39.000 Under Mao, 20 to 40 million people starved to death during the Great Leap Forward campaign he did from 1958 to 1961.

00:08:47.000 1958 to 1961. Then during his 10 years cultural revolution from 1966 to 1976, 20 million people died.

00:08:59.000 Add those numbers together.

00:09:02.000 Our kids have no idea when I tell them, do you know more people died under Mao's Communist China than Hitler?

00:09:10.000 No, did not know that?

00:09:13.000 Too bad we don't teach, emphasize the horrors of communism, especially under Mao.

00:09:21.000 I went to Venezuela once and I went to a protest.

00:09:25.000 The people who were protesting were described as wealthier, more upper middle class, more successful business owners.

00:09:30.000 And I noticed something interesting that in a lot of places, you mentioned that people always buy this, this lie that we're going to take from the rich and give to the poor.

00:09:38.000 Well, it's simple.

00:09:38.000 They're saying we're going to give you stuff.

00:09:42.000 And so for these people who are living, you know, it doesn't matter what class you are.

00:09:46.000 Being told you're going to get free stuff, people are like, I'll take stuff.

00:09:49.000 So what ends up happening is I see this with, you know, Occupy Wall Street, I see with other protests in other countries.

00:09:55.000 In many ways, you'll see the poor people will protest when conditions are bad for the poor.

00:10:01.000 And then when you get this inversion, like in Venezuela, where they take away the property from the middle class, it was actually middle class and upper class people protesting because they couldn't survive.

00:10:10.000 They couldn't succeed.

00:10:11.000 And they're the ones producing in the country.

00:10:13.000 So it was interesting.

00:10:14.000 It seems like in, you know, the rightists or whatever, they're of course going to oppose this effort to strip away the wealth and the resources they build and give it to other people.

00:10:26.000 I don't see how it's noble or honorable to take from somebody who has made a bunch of things by force, within reason, mind you, To just give it away to everybody else arbitrarily, especially when there's no agreement, there's no social contract, and that's one of the biggest problems we have today, which is why so many libertarians say taxation is theft.

00:10:45.000 I think there is a line, but I do find it to be particularly interesting.

00:10:49.000 Long story short, it doesn't matter if it's communist China, it doesn't matter if it's Cuba, Venezuela, or even the United States.

00:10:54.000 Now in the United States, they're saying the oppressors and the oppressed, and they're using race to get what they want.

00:10:59.000 So now you have this idea, I guess.

00:11:01.000 They're claiming... Who are they claiming are the oppressors now?

00:11:05.000 Typically white, cis, heteronormative men.

00:11:07.000 Right, you have your own new kind of oppressors groups, you know, oppressed groups.

00:11:13.000 But see, to me though, it's not even about race or skin color.

00:11:19.000 It's really about the cultural revolution, like Mao did, right?

00:11:26.000 Because Mao will use a critical class theory to destroy Thousands of years of Chinese civilization, culture, and religion, arts, one third of cultural relics were destroyed.

00:11:41.000 Taiwan, Hong Kong people preserve more of traditional Chinese culture, even beautiful, you know, like Chinese dresses.

00:11:50.000 We're banned to wear during mall time.

00:11:53.000 I cannot lay my hair down like this.

00:11:55.000 It's old style.

00:11:58.000 I cannot wear beautiful, sexy woman's dresses because that was capitalist. 0.84

00:12:04.000 So everything has to be in line, conform to collective society.

00:12:09.000 Well, here's what I think happened.

00:12:11.000 In China, it was mostly ethnically Chinese.

00:12:13.000 So critical class theory is what you'd have to use in order to create your oppressor.

00:12:19.000 The critical race theorist, notably Kimberlé Crenshaw, wrote in her book, Critical Race Theory, that they called it critical race theory so that people would understand that it came from critical theory, from Marxist ideology.

00:12:30.000 And the idea conveyed in the book is that Marx didn't understand the racial dynamics that happened in the United States about who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed.

00:12:39.000 And he seems to think, you know, his ideas of class only work in these old world, you know, ethnically homogenous places.

00:12:45.000 So they needed to create a new framework that was race-based for the U.S.

00:12:51.000 And this was back, I think it was like the late 70s, early 80s.

00:12:53.000 And now it's come straight to the forefront, you know, some 30, 40 years later.

00:12:57.000 Now it's in our schools.

00:12:58.000 They're lying, saying it's not in our schools.

00:13:00.000 But what they've done is They keep moving the goalposts.

00:13:05.000 Oh, it's not critical race theory, it's something else.

00:13:09.000 Oh, it's not feminism, it's something else. 1.00

00:13:10.000 Oh, we're just teaching people not to be bigots.

00:13:13.000 And then every step of the way, they're indoctrinating into this Marxist ideology.

00:13:17.000 So we get caught up in things like critical race theory.

00:13:20.000 I hear it all the time from parents saying, critical race theory in our schools.

00:13:22.000 And I said, have you talked about critical theory in general or critical gender theory?

00:13:26.000 And they don't.

00:13:27.000 So that's one of the things that keeps people kind of running in circles is the constant semantic debate.

00:13:33.000 But it is in our schools now.

00:13:34.000 It's critical race applied principle.

00:13:36.000 Children are being taught all of these ideas in their curriculums, not just as a whole.

00:13:42.000 So the teachers aren't saying, open up your critical race theory books.

00:13:45.000 The teachers are saying, open up your science book and learn about the critical theory of the frog or something.

00:13:49.000 They're injecting the ideology.

00:13:51.000 It's called praxis.

00:13:52.000 They're putting it into the literature.

00:13:55.000 Now these kids are gonna grow up, and they're gonna believe this stuff.

00:13:57.000 They're gonna be a part of that.

00:13:58.000 So we may be 10 years away from our ideological, idealistic college kids.

00:14:04.000 We already have them, obviously.

00:14:06.000 But imagine now all these grade school kids who are being indoctrinated.

00:14:08.000 Imagine when they're in school, and then there's some charismatic, cultural Marxist leader who comes around.

00:14:15.000 He's a little bit older, and he rallies all of these kids now who are in their 20s.

00:14:18.000 That could come here, and we will face a cultural revolution in, what, a decade?

00:14:21.000 Well, that's one of the similarities I see, is to indoctrinate our youth, make them religiously following so-called social justice movement, right?

00:14:35.000 And follow all this critical race, whatever new name they might give it. 0.99

00:14:40.000 So basically, it is about Equity, they just use a race card, use gender issues.

00:14:48.000 You have to use identity politics to separate your citizens.

00:14:53.000 It's a typical Maoist Marxist way to divide and conquer.

00:14:59.000 How do you divide people?

00:15:00.000 Mao did by classes, right?

00:15:02.000 Five red, five black.

00:15:04.000 And what are the Marxists doing in our country?

00:15:07.000 By race.

00:15:08.000 If you trace back those critical race theory, so people cannot sell communism very old-fashioned way

00:15:16.000 by doing, oh, who is poor, who is rich?

00:15:19.000 But they can sell to the culturally people, sensitive, compassionate, buying the race game, race car, 0.81

00:15:27.000 and look, all those people who have different sexes, different genders, different races, skin color,

00:15:33.000 they're oppressed.

00:15:34.000 But they don't know oppressor versus oppressed.

00:15:37.000 That's already typical Marxist, you know, theory, Maoist theory.

00:15:42.000 Then further divide people into subgroups.

00:15:45.000 You have to get people to fight each other, hate each other.

00:15:49.000 Mao said Revolution is not dinner party.

00:15:54.000 It's not embroidery.

00:15:55.000 Revolution is about crush your enemies with a hammer.

00:16:00.000 That's what a communist party symbol is, right?

00:16:03.000 Use violence.

00:16:05.000 Scare people.

00:16:06.000 Were you scared last year when you see what's going on in our streets?

00:16:10.000 Mao also used young people to top down the statues, destroy the cultural relics, and looting door to door by Red Guards. 0.51

00:16:20.000 People don't get this.

00:16:22.000 searching the doors, get rid of all the people have to burn books, hide their old

00:16:26.000 dresses and hide all the Chinese arts or give them away, bury them so they don't 1.00

00:16:32.000 go to concentration camps.

00:16:34.000 People don't get this.

00:16:35.000 When don't get it.

00:16:36.000 When the statues were being torn down.

00:16:38.000 These are the stories we read about in these books.

00:16:42.000 These were the movies we watched, where you see the image of the people throwing the ropes and toppling the statues.

00:16:48.000 We knew that this was a component of what was going on, and then we watched it happen for a year, and so many people in this country didn't care.

00:16:56.000 And I saw these conversations.

00:16:57.000 People would say, well, you know, Christopher Columbus was a racist or whatever, and I'm like, the point is, Whether you agree or disagree, violent groups tearing down statues without public conversations, without any democratic values, these are authoritarians who are imposing their will on everyone else, and no one asked for this.

00:17:17.000 If you allow these people to keep doing whatever they want, And that's what's happened.

00:17:21.000 Eventually, they just take absolute authority.

00:17:24.000 And then what they will do is substantially worse than what they're doing now.

00:17:27.000 We had a man on the show.

00:17:30.000 He was a freedom fighter after the revolution in Cuba.

00:17:36.000 He said, if these people get real power, they'll start killing people.

00:17:40.000 Well, they did.

00:17:41.000 I mean, how many people died?

00:17:45.000 The most sad part is they get the children turn on their parents, grandparents, and neighbors, friends.

00:17:55.000 I learned my lesson.

00:17:56.000 I can't trust my friends.

00:17:58.000 My friend reported to teacher about I was bragging about my good grades in schools as a seven years old.

00:18:06.000 Oh, she was full of herself.

00:18:08.000 She was overly confident.

00:18:10.000 Bragging about her grades, she'll be the first one to join Mao's Young Pioneer group, Red Scarf. 0.85

00:18:17.000 I was pushed back for a year not to join Mao's Young Pioneer to wear that red scarf.

00:18:23.000 I was a red child.

00:18:24.000 I was very competitive.

00:18:26.000 I wanted to do it.

00:18:27.000 I wanted to be the first group to wear a red scarf.

00:18:32.000 A spy, a friend reported to teachers.

00:18:35.000 I got a call into teacher principal office to say, sorry, you are full of yourself.

00:18:41.000 In our collective society, your individual expression, confidence are not allowed.

00:18:48.000 You better to act like one of the other students.

00:18:51.000 Keep your head down.

00:18:52.000 Conform.

00:18:54.000 I learned my lesson at seven.

00:18:55.000 I never forget that lesson.

00:18:57.000 I never forget to remind myself, don't trust anybody in this society.

00:19:04.000 And I become Red Guard later, and I become even Communist Youth Member when I was in college.

00:19:11.000 And after graduate from law school, I wanted to teach in Shanghai.

00:19:15.000 I had to join Communist Party in order to teach university, to teach law.

00:19:20.000 Otherwise, where your loyalty, you know?

00:19:23.000 So I did all that.

00:19:24.000 But I also learned in my back burner, ooh, I better not trust anybody.

00:19:30.000 I need to be strategic what I say.

00:19:33.000 Is that sad?

00:19:34.000 I feel like that way today about America.

00:19:36.000 I have to be careful about what I say.

00:19:38.000 Why am I getting canceled?

00:19:42.000 History is repeating itself.

00:19:45.000 How did you wake up to what was happening in China and decide to leave?

00:19:49.000 When Mao died, if you go to government schools, one party controls everything.

00:19:55.000 So you go to schools, and you hold a little Chairman Mao's red box, and they ask you to chant.

00:20:02.000 Long live Chairman Mao, long live the party.

00:20:05.000 You literally chant for quite a long time.

00:20:08.000 Then you see a song.

00:20:10.000 Hey, my parents are dear.

00:20:12.000 Chiang Mai Mau is more dear.

00:20:13.000 Chiang Mai Mau is the rising sun from the east.

00:20:17.000 All that stuff, right?

00:20:18.000 What we call the red suns.

00:20:21.000 Then I never challenged that.

00:20:23.000 Like, oh, is Mau a god or human?

00:20:26.000 I never asked that question.

00:20:28.000 You were not allowed to ask those questions either.

00:20:31.000 But my parents were in literally working poor class.

00:20:36.000 They do not ask questions.

00:20:38.000 So by the time Mao all of a sudden died, I was already 12 years old.

00:20:42.000 I mean he was like my god talking to me from clouds, smiling at me from the burning fire when we do Chinese stir-fry.

00:20:51.000 You have to put like a fire under the wok.

00:20:54.000 He's like sometimes because every day you say chanting, It was becoming like your religion.

00:21:00.000 Communism was your religion.

00:21:02.000 Mao was your god.

00:21:03.000 So Mao would smile at me.

00:21:05.000 And so, if I go to exercise in the morning, everything is political.

00:21:11.000 You cannot just say, I want to exercise because I want to look strong, look pretty.

00:21:15.000 No!

00:21:16.000 Not right thing to say.

00:21:18.000 You should say, I'm exercise to protect Chiang Mai Mao and to protect my motherland. 0.77

00:21:24.000 Oh, good child, good student.

00:21:26.000 You get a pat on the back.

00:21:28.000 So I learned to be a straight red, right?

00:21:31.000 Oh, I cannot really say what I really feel, but I have to make it PC so I can move up.

00:21:38.000 So when I woke up, Ma died.

00:21:41.000 That was the first time in my life I start to I asked myself privately, how did that happen?

00:21:50.000 Did he die as a human?

00:21:52.000 Did somebody lie to me?

00:21:54.000 I had some brain left, you know, at 12.

00:21:57.000 Then later, the Communist Party did come out to say, hey, Mao was a human being.

00:22:05.000 Cultural Revolution was a mistake. 0.95

00:22:10.000 I was totally lost. 0.81

00:22:12.000 Imagine, your god is dead.

00:22:16.000 I just said, hmm, what's going to happen to me now?

00:22:19.000 My generation, my parents' generation, and Red Guard generation went to concentration camp for 10 years to worship him, serve him, and then later lost 10 years' life without degree, without wife, without anything!

00:22:31.000 How about my uncle's generation?

00:22:34.000 I was lucky I did not go to the countryside for 10 years because I was too young.

00:22:40.000 So people who are five years older, seven years older than me, they all went to the countryside.

00:22:43.000 After Mao used the young people, he threw them under the bus.

00:22:47.000 Go to the countryside.

00:22:47.000 We don't need you anymore.

00:22:48.000 I'm already become a godlike leader.

00:22:51.000 And the rule of law was gone.

00:22:54.000 Police were told to stand down.

00:22:56.000 Military was all loyal to the party.

00:22:58.000 So people were killing people in the streets.

00:23:01.000 Sounds familiar?

00:23:02.000 No law, no rule of law, no order.

00:23:06.000 Defund police, okay?

00:23:07.000 So my uncle generation went to countryside.

00:23:10.000 I was lucky to have even time to ask a question.

00:23:15.000 What happened?

00:23:16.000 So I decided I'm going to search for truth by going to the best university, which was all schools shutting down during the Cultural Revolution.

00:23:25.000 And I could go back to school and study for a few years before I could go to college, pass this national college exam.

00:23:33.000 So I wanted to search for truth.

00:23:36.000 Of course, in law school, my dream, my ambition was gone.

00:23:42.000 I got lost again.

00:23:44.000 That's when I start to wake up to say, maybe I should look for other options to get out of China.

00:23:51.000 I will not be happy and free in this country.

00:23:55.000 When I went to law school, first week, our professor said, what is law?

00:24:00.000 It's called a law theory class, Soviet Union style.

00:24:04.000 Law is not what you think, because I thought it was for justice.

00:24:07.000 No, law is a tool for the party to use to govern the masses.

00:24:14.000 It's the typical word, the masses.

00:24:17.000 You are not an individual, Tim.

00:24:19.000 You are one of the numbers.

00:24:20.000 You are one of the masses.

00:24:22.000 So that's my truth I was looking for.

00:24:25.000 I could not change China to a society rule of law.

00:24:29.000 It will be always ruled by men. 1.00

00:24:32.000 By a few madmen, dictators who want to be tyrants and emperors. 0.95

00:24:38.000 So I started to become really rebellious.

00:24:40.000 College in the 80s was best years of my life up to that point because we were going through a cultural renaissance in the 80s.

00:24:49.000 And then Xiaoping said, OK, let some people get rich first.

00:24:53.000 Let the kids hair lay down.

00:24:55.000 They can wear blue jeans.

00:24:56.000 They can have dancing parties.

00:24:58.000 So I went to dancing party every night.

00:25:01.000 Did not even feel like study anymore.

00:25:03.000 Just wanted to listen to classic music and even Chinese style rock and roll.

00:25:08.000 I remember I learned disco in college in the 80s.

00:25:13.000 But it was already over, right?

00:25:14.000 It was 60s disco.

00:25:16.000 But in the 80s, I was dancing disco in China on college campuses.

00:25:21.000 That was great.

00:25:22.000 First time you feel the freedom, even shake your body.

00:25:24.000 Because you could not even move your body.

00:25:27.000 You could not dance.

00:25:28.000 You could not sing the songs you love.

00:25:30.000 You could not date.

00:25:32.000 And you could not wear beautiful clothing.

00:25:34.000 I never know how to do makeup except lipsticks.

00:25:38.000 All were capitalist styles were banned.

00:25:40.000 So by the time I went to college, oh, I could do disco!

00:25:44.000 Shake my body anywhere I see fit!

00:25:47.000 It was truly a liberation moment.

00:25:50.000 That was in China?

00:25:51.000 Yes, college campus in the 80s.

00:25:55.000 I was in college, 81 to 85.

00:25:58.000 But if all that good stuff was happening, why would you leave?

00:26:00.000 Well, When you work, being a college student is one story.

00:26:07.000 But when you get a job by the state, everybody got a guaranteed job.

00:26:11.000 As a college student, there was no labor market yet.

00:26:15.000 It was totally still communist kind of style economy.

00:26:18.000 Central planning, everybody got a guaranteed job.

00:26:21.000 So, I wanted to stay in Shanghai to teach because if I go back to Sichuan, Chengdu, it was more isolated.

00:26:29.000 It was less Western.

00:26:30.000 But we got foreign students and foreign professors on our college campuses.

00:26:36.000 One American student changed my life.

00:26:38.000 He told me about America.

00:26:40.000 He put something in my head.

00:26:42.000 Hey, Lily, come to my dorm.

00:26:44.000 I'll show you something from America.

00:26:46.000 I saw some piece of art and cool stuff.

00:26:49.000 He showed me a pocket constitution.

00:26:53.000 He was not supposed to!

00:26:55.000 That's why he was not trusted for any college student to see a foreign student or foreign professor.

00:27:02.000 You got to register.

00:27:03.000 There's an old lady or old man as a gatekeeper there.

00:27:07.000 Register my name, my major, my dormitory address.

00:27:12.000 What are you going to talk about?

00:27:13.000 Time in, time out, who are you going to visit?

00:27:16.000 It's all tracked.

00:27:18.000 So by the time I went to his dorm, he showed me this.

00:27:22.000 He told me about Declaration of Independence.

00:27:25.000 Just my English was so bad I couldn't understand.

00:27:28.000 He just read to me very slowly.

00:27:30.000 We held those truths to be self-evident.

00:27:33.000 What?

00:27:35.000 All men are created equal.

00:27:37.000 What do you mean?

00:27:38.000 Well, Lily, you are woman, you are Chinese, you have yellow skin, but you are creators. 0.96

00:27:46.000 Daughter and son, your rights come from God, not from your government.

00:27:50.000 You have an individual right.

00:27:52.000 Nobody can take away from you.

00:27:55.000 That's in American's funding document.

00:27:59.000 My light bulb just came on.

00:28:00.000 I never heard of individual right.

00:28:02.000 I have a right?

00:28:04.000 By myself?

00:28:04.000 Me?

00:28:06.000 Not from my government?

00:28:09.000 You know what?

00:28:09.000 Next time when I went back to see him, I refused to register.

00:28:13.000 My night bulbs will not turn off.

00:28:16.000 It's like I found some critical term called the individual right from God.

00:28:22.000 But I had to cheat, because if you don't register, you get caught.

00:28:25.000 The police will take you away.

00:28:27.000 So I had to just, when the lady goes to pour the tea, go to the bathroom, I will sneak upstairs. 0.98

00:28:32.000 And I will run downstairs very quietly.

00:28:35.000 And he told me more about constitution, separation of powers, and the right to vote, Bill of Rights, most important, Second Amendment right!

00:28:44.000 It's like, wow!

00:28:45.000 Can you imagine my feeling?

00:28:48.000 It's like I have this, It's like, finally, I was searching for something, and I found it as a junior year student in college.

00:28:58.000 But still, I wasn't ready to leave China, because I still had hope to change my country into rule of law.

00:29:05.000 I just liked what I heard from him, those new concepts.

00:29:08.000 I just did not want to complain anymore.

00:29:10.000 So I still continued to be a rebellious college student, skip classes.

00:29:15.000 You know what you do when you go to college that time?

00:29:18.000 6.30 in the morning, it's like a loud concentration camp.

00:29:21.000 In Germany, 6.30 in the morning, big speakers come out on college campus.

00:29:28.000 Time to wake up, students!

00:29:30.000 Time to go to school!

00:29:31.000 Time to go to work!

00:29:32.000 You cannot sleep in!

00:29:34.000 But you can wait until that's over, be quiet, then sleep in, skip classes.

00:29:38.000 So I was very rebellious because I said, what am I going to study law for?

00:29:42.000 I was told law is not for justice.

00:29:44.000 But I still wanted to try.

00:29:45.000 I haven't given up my dream, my ambition yet.

00:29:49.000 Did you see, I'm assuming you did at this time, injustice?

00:29:54.000 The authorities hurting innocent people, arresting and rounding up innocent people?

00:29:57.000 No!

00:29:58.000 Government control all radios, all TV stations, all period articles, all newspapers.

00:30:04.000 You only hear good news!

00:30:06.000 Great!

00:30:06.000 But did you ever witness it yourself?

00:30:09.000 I witnessed two neighbors when I was growing up in a community courtyard where my parents lived with us.

00:30:19.000 Two neighbors disappeared.

00:30:21.000 I witnessed people who have better positions inside the state factories, got better food rationing coupons, and I had to babysit because everything they said was supposed to be free.

00:30:32.000 They were never free except our community courtyard.

00:30:35.000 But a family share one bathroom, one water faucet.

00:30:39.000 Would you like to live there?

00:30:41.000 It's like so perfect.

00:30:41.000 Hell no!

00:30:42.000 About poverty, that was real poverty.

00:30:44.000 So I went through that, but I did not know how Really bad, this dictatorship, one party system is.

00:30:51.000 I was very patriotic.

00:30:54.000 I was brainwashed to love my motherland, love the party, until I went to college.

00:30:59.000 I become rebellious.

00:31:01.000 Then my night bulbs came on, but I still graduated.

00:31:03.000 I got a job in Shanghai to become a faculty member of law school.

00:31:07.000 That's when reality kick in.

00:31:09.000 I could not even go to dancing party anymore.

00:31:12.000 Because every university department is controlled by who?

00:31:16.000 Communist Party Committee.

00:31:18.000 They are in your university with every department.

00:31:22.000 If you have a business today, private business in China, you have over a hundred employees, they party on your site.

00:31:30.000 Supervise you.

00:31:32.000 Make sure there's no any threat to national security.

00:31:36.000 So when I become law school faculty, they say, well, you got to change.

00:31:40.000 You got to join the Communist Party because you teach law.

00:31:44.000 Law is a state government tool to govern the masses.

00:31:48.000 So I did that.

00:31:49.000 So but after one year, I just feel like Oh my god, I could not ever have academic freedom.

00:31:57.000 I could never do what it says I wanted to do.

00:31:59.000 So I decided!

00:32:01.000 Here's a country called America.

00:32:03.000 Maybe I should plan my escape.

00:32:07.000 You need permission to leave, Tim, to get a passport, to quit your job?

00:32:12.000 It's not like, oh, I'm just going to pack my bag and leave.

00:32:14.000 No.

00:32:14.000 They track you by household registration.

00:32:18.000 So my household registration was in Chengdu.

00:32:20.000 So Michael sent us with my family in Chengdu.

00:32:23.000 But I have my personnel file individually in Shanghai.

00:32:27.000 So I could not just pack up and leave.

00:32:29.000 You're supposed to stay where you're supposed to stay.

00:32:31.000 So when I tried to come to America, I had to change my attitude.

00:32:36.000 I had to change my strategies to butter up my Communist Party committee for permission to quit my job to leave for America.

00:32:47.000 It was two years, long process, and you could not trust anybody to tell anybody, I plan to leave.

00:32:53.000 I will never go back.

00:32:55.000 So I basically just say, well, I need to go to university to get a master's degree so I can come home, serve my country better.

00:33:05.000 And so he said, well, your attitude is not good.

00:33:07.000 You were not speaking up support party policies during your weekly political study meetings.

00:33:13.000 So I said, OK, I'll do better.

00:33:15.000 So I started to go to my weekly meetings.

00:33:17.000 And remember my my light bulb came on.

00:33:20.000 I was most time sitting there quiet.

00:33:23.000 Don't say anything because I don't buy into that anymore.

00:33:26.000 But I had to change my Behaviors.

00:33:29.000 Okay.

00:33:30.000 I support the policy.

00:33:31.000 Great.

00:33:32.000 Good news.

00:33:33.000 He wanted to leave.

00:33:35.000 So finally I got his permission to go apply for passport to go to graduate school in UT Austin, Texas.

00:33:42.000 That was 1988.

00:33:45.000 So before we get into what it was like when you first, you know, are getting out of China, I wanted to ask you experiencing, you said neighbors disappeared.

00:33:55.000 Yes, for no reason.

00:33:57.000 And recently, recently, one of my junior high school students used to be on WeChat.

00:34:03.000 All of my junior school good friends in my hometown, they don't know where he is.

00:34:09.000 So when you were younger, did you understand what it was to have someone disappeared?

00:34:13.000 No, I just know the adults sometimes whisper.

00:34:17.000 I was a child.

00:34:18.000 I lived in that courtyard until we were about 16 to move to another better place.

00:34:25.000 But this eight-family shared courtyard, I was always curious when the people were talking about something, like comments on society, the government.

00:34:34.000 I would like to ask a question.

00:34:36.000 They always say, shh, quiet.

00:34:39.000 Go there, sit there.

00:34:40.000 You're a child, don't say anything.

00:34:42.000 I just heard two people just gone.

00:34:44.000 I don't know what happened to them.

00:34:47.000 Not supposed to ask questions.

00:34:48.000 And there's no trial, no say nothing, no notification.

00:34:52.000 Don't know what happened.

00:34:53.000 Did you ever realize as you got older what was going on?

00:34:57.000 Now I know people disappear all the time.

00:35:00.000 Even when I was in law school, I did not know.

00:35:03.000 I also did not know lots of people starving to death.

00:35:07.000 I did not know any of those.

00:35:09.000 I just wanted to, basically I was young.

00:35:11.000 I just wanted to have some personal freedom.

00:35:14.000 I want to be left alone.

00:35:16.000 So I decided I should come to a free country so I can be left alone.

00:35:21.000 That's all I wanted.

00:35:22.000 I did not know how ugly actually China society was. 0.53

00:35:26.000 What was it like to learn of the First Amendment when you were shown that pocket constitution?

00:35:33.000 Freedom of free to speak and free to assemble.

00:35:38.000 You know what?

00:35:39.000 It's kind of funny.

00:35:40.000 They had all that in the Chinese Constitution, too.

00:35:44.000 And the Soviet. 0.58

00:35:45.000 But they never, never exist in reality.

00:35:49.000 So why believe them?

00:35:51.000 So, but the most important, when he told me that the U.S.

00:35:56.000 actually has a separation of powers, that was most shocking to me.

00:36:01.000 It's, oh, we have a three branch of government.

00:36:04.000 You get to vote, really, as a citizen.

00:36:06.000 It's like, really?

00:36:07.000 You know, my first time I voted in the United States, it was year of 2000.

00:36:12.000 I was 36 years old.

00:36:15.000 First time to vote in my entire life.

00:36:17.000 I took this right so seriously, where lots of people don't even vote.

00:36:21.000 But they run you over anyway if you don't vote, like some people don't vote.

00:36:24.000 But you know, if you think I'm not political.

00:36:29.000 I don't need to vote.

00:36:30.000 I don't need to choose my own, you know, like rulers.

00:36:33.000 They don't leave you alone.

00:36:34.000 They have interest in you, where you are not interested in politics.

00:36:38.000 They want to control you, dominate you, and take away more of your private property, even your self-ownership of your body. 0.98

00:36:46.000 Look at what's happening last year and this year.

00:36:49.000 So that's what communists do.

00:36:49.000 Right?

00:36:51.000 So when I realized, ooh, I could come to this country later, become a citizen, vote, choose who represents me, that was a huge deal.

00:36:59.000 Of course, this religious freedom.

00:37:03.000 We were shut down, all religions, during the Mao's Cultural Revolution.

00:37:07.000 My grandmother, my mom, were Buddhists.

00:37:10.000 And all of a sudden, we could not go to Buddha's temple to say, Buddha bless me anymore, because that was not PC.

00:37:16.000 You need to say, long live Chairman Mao.

00:37:19.000 Don't say, you know, Buddha bless me.

00:37:21.000 So I, I, in order to become Young Pioneer red card, I could not tell people we were Buddhist. 0.99

00:37:30.000 That would be stupid. 0.99

00:37:31.000 That's black class. 1.00

00:37:33.000 I think maybe the most shocking thing may have been the discovery of the Second Amendment.

00:37:38.000 What were you thinking when you discovered Americans can just have guns?

00:37:38.000 Yes.

00:37:43.000 I could not even comprehend that.

00:37:46.000 And I could not comprehend that.

00:37:48.000 I just thought, are you sure?

00:37:50.000 Are you sure?

00:37:51.000 Because in China, it's illegal.

00:37:54.000 You go straight to jail, right?

00:37:57.000 I want to tell you a funny story.

00:37:58.000 When I first came to this country, I was afraid of guns.

00:38:02.000 I was afraid to touch it.

00:38:04.000 It's like a gun was going to jump on me and kill me or something.

00:38:06.000 Then my husband, I'm married to a Texan, right?

00:38:09.000 I went to gun range.

00:38:11.000 And they showed me.

00:38:12.000 First time I went to gun range, I scared them a lot because I just said, oh, what is this?

00:38:19.000 People say, oh, no, no, no.

00:38:20.000 You never pick up gun like that.

00:38:22.000 That's not responsible.

00:38:23.000 You could kill somebody.

00:38:25.000 Number one rule, you never point at a person, right?

00:38:28.000 So I said, OK.

00:38:30.000 So they show me how to use it, and how to practice, this or that.

00:38:34.000 So I start to feel a little bit comfortable.

00:38:36.000 And when I fire first shot, it was very scary.

00:38:39.000 It was loud, even though I had the earplugs.

00:38:41.000 And then kick back, like, oh!

00:38:44.000 It was horrible.

00:38:45.000 I was horrible.

00:38:46.000 I said, oh, it's better I don't touch guns.

00:38:47.000 So I was still afraid of guns.

00:38:49.000 But after it becomes, and especially that Tiananmen Square massacre happened, When you say citizens and the students, peaceful protesters were slaughtered, and I start to really appreciate the Second Amendment.

00:39:08.000 You could have begged the tankers, soldiers, to stop.

00:39:12.000 Please don't kill our students, they are our brightest, best, like the Beijing citizens did. 1.00

00:39:18.000 So Deng Xiaoping had to get his troops from outside of Beijing, because Beijing soldiers could not do it.

00:39:26.000 Because they know.

00:39:27.000 They know.

00:39:28.000 Oh, they're just peaceful protesters.

00:39:30.000 They just want to have a dialogue with the party officials.

00:39:34.000 They were not talking about overthrow government at all.

00:39:37.000 So Deng Xiaoping went to Hubei, Wuhan area to get the troops come in.

00:39:42.000 They're all indoctrinated.

00:39:43.000 We have a country revolutionary in Beijing. 1.00

00:39:48.000 Go to crush them.

00:39:50.000 They knew the power of college students.

00:39:53.000 They used the young, ideological college students in the first place.

00:39:57.000 So naturally, they understood that these people would bring about change.

00:40:02.000 Yes.

00:40:03.000 So if you're not in line, Your late revolutionaries, very sad, since 1989, the case

00:40:11.000 is sealed.

00:40:12.000 Those students are counter-revolutionary according to China's law.

00:40:18.000 So their moms, dads were waiting for years trying to get the case overturned.

00:40:22.000 They couldn't do it.

00:40:25.000 It's a banned word on the internet.

00:40:27.000 You cannot even search Tiananmen Square massacre.

00:40:31.000 Did you know about Tiananmen Square massacre when you were living in China?

00:40:34.000 I was here 1988.

00:40:37.000 So I watched the whole thing.

00:40:40.000 I was so sad.

00:40:42.000 And I had a friend who worked for Xinhua News Agency in Beijing.

00:40:46.000 They were there for entire six weeks, peaceful protest period, to feel excited.

00:40:54.000 And they were just hoping, oh, no, no, no crackdown.

00:40:59.000 No, no, we just want to have a dialogue.

00:41:01.000 We're not a counterrevolution.

00:41:02.000 We're not violent criminals.

00:41:04.000 And they heard the gunshots.

00:41:08.000 One girl came back to office. 1.00

00:41:10.000 Xinhua News Agency, the propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:41:15.000 Young college graduates.

00:41:17.000 That night, all cried.

00:41:19.000 They lost hope.

00:41:22.000 My friends, I don't know where they are today.

00:41:23.000 Gone.

00:41:25.000 You think the state took them?

00:41:27.000 Some disappeared, some went to jail.

00:41:29.000 I think this guy who worked for Xinhua News Agency, I think he left country.

00:41:33.000 I don't know where he is today.

00:41:35.000 Maybe Australia?

00:41:37.000 I don't know.

00:41:37.000 He should have find me if he knew I'm in America.

00:41:41.000 But I don't know where they are.

00:41:42.000 He even told me I'm not going to have children, I'm not going to get married.

00:41:46.000 Maybe that's the least thing I can do, so-called contribute to my motherland.

00:41:53.000 I'm going to be gone.

00:41:53.000 I'm not going to have kids in this country.

00:41:56.000 So most educated people are gone, you know?

00:41:59.000 I could not imagine wanting to leave America.

00:42:03.000 I understand, though.

00:42:05.000 Actually, I take that back.

00:42:05.000 You know, in the United States, and then working for companies where I've traveled all over the world, I've seen how amazing America is.

00:42:12.000 Because you take it for granted not being here.

00:42:14.000 Or you take it for granted being here, I mean.

00:42:16.000 When I started traveling around covering conflict and crisis in other countries and then seeing what the rules and the laws were, I was in Thailand, for instance.

00:42:23.000 You couldn't even paraphrase disparagement of the royal family.

00:42:26.000 It's les majesté, it's a crime.

00:42:29.000 Even as a journalist, to say, let's say, you know, Ian disparaged the crown, I could not as a reporter say, Ian Crosland made a comment disparaging the crown.

00:42:38.000 That itself was a crime.

00:42:40.000 And so I remember having conversations with foreign journalists One accidentally and referenced someone insulted the king

00:42:46.000 and then panicked and started looking around making sure because even as a foreigner you can

00:42:50.000 Get in trouble Yes

00:42:51.000 Then I come back to America and I'm going through the security line and I see the the border CBP and they're

00:42:57.000 looking like yeah Yeah, yeah, and I'm like I see the American flag and I'm

00:43:00.000 like, wow I

00:43:01.000 Know that friend huh?

00:43:02.000 I can say screw off to the president all day and night and laugh and I can say it into the face of these federal

00:43:08.000 These federal agents these officers and they'd look at me like a weirdo and I'd be like, hey, I'm just saying it's I

00:43:12.000 love America I didn't say that obviously I'm saying like you can you and

00:43:16.000 and it's it's crazy now with what we're seeing with all this critical race theory

00:43:20.000 stuff Now I understand when I hear these stories about Cuba, Venezuela, China, the Soviet Union, that if these things do keep happening here in the United States and they do get as crazy as, they get crazier than they are, then I would understand, you know, why someone would flee their country and that's scary to me because America is...

00:43:40.000 The last best hope, I guess?

00:43:42.000 I mean, there's a lot of countries in the world.

00:43:43.000 Some of them are pretty good.

00:43:44.000 Uruguay's pretty chill.

00:43:45.000 But America is something unique with that Constitution, that Bill of Rights.

00:43:49.000 And if we don't defend it, and we lose it, then what do we have?

00:43:53.000 Where do we go?

00:43:54.000 That's why I publicly come out and I founded with another Vietnamese American, New Hampshire Asian American Coalition.

00:44:04.000 Our first rally was about and stop critical race theory indoctrination.

00:44:10.000 We had 250 people showed up and we had about 12 people on this stage when we ended the event holding signs.

00:44:22.000 All men are created equal in their own native language.

00:44:26.000 Japanese, Thai, Chinese.

00:44:29.000 And, you know, all kinds of languages to say, you know, while people even don't know what we're saying, we just hold the signs and say this one short sentence until the last guy, and he's black, and he holds the signs beautifully, like all men are created equal.

00:44:48.000 Then we play the song that Charles called the American Beautiful.

00:44:52.000 It was a very positive unifying moment.

00:44:56.000 All those immigrants come from all over the world think America is exceptional country. 0.99

00:45:02.000 The only country you can come to achieve American dream.

00:45:09.000 I get emotional when I think about that.

00:45:11.000 Like American dream.

00:45:13.000 Where can you achieve American dream?

00:45:17.000 And I was just so touched by watching them.

00:45:20.000 Oh my God, it's like we defend America.

00:45:25.000 America is not systemic racist country.

00:45:29.000 Otherwise, why would we all want to come?

00:45:33.000 You know, sorry about that.

00:45:35.000 It's getting emotional.

00:45:36.000 I agree.

00:45:37.000 I grew up here.

00:45:38.000 I grew up in Chicago.

00:45:39.000 I grew up being told a lot of things by leftists, anarchists.

00:45:45.000 You know, we didn't have critical race theory back then, but we certainly had class theory.

00:45:48.000 And so when I was younger, I heard all about, you know, the 1%, the rich.

00:45:52.000 And I still have some libertarian... I consider myself to be left libertarian.

00:45:57.000 I think libertarian comes first in that you can't force people to do things.

00:46:00.000 You have to come to agreements and find cooperation and negotiate.

00:46:03.000 There has to be mutual agreements.

00:46:06.000 And it really wasn't until I started traveling the world and seeing what other countries are like that I started to realize, man, we really do have something special here.

00:46:15.000 I think America has its share of bad history.

00:46:17.000 It doesn't.

00:46:18.000 The history of the world is fairly bad, but we've certainly made something special.

00:46:21.000 And I think you hit the nail on the head.

00:46:22.000 If it really was so awful and racist, why would everyone want to come here?

00:46:27.000 Well, that's why I feel like, you know, I learned about slavery history.

00:46:31.000 You know, no country is ever perfect.

00:46:35.000 And we all have our issues we need to deal with.

00:46:37.000 That's why it's so important for all these citizens with diverse ideas, minds, thoughts, skills to come together, have conversations.

00:46:48.000 How are we going to solve our problems we face?

00:46:52.000 How are we going to help our communities, our families?

00:46:56.000 America is about.

00:46:58.000 We all are multi-party immigrants from somewhere many years ago.

00:47:05.000 How could we condemn each other?

00:47:08.000 How could we be caught? 1.00

00:47:09.000 If you are born white, you are racist. 1.00

00:47:12.000 Your ancestors were racist. 0.99

00:47:14.000 But I, I come here, I'm supposed to be a victim, oppressed as a Chinese immigrant?

00:47:21.000 I come here with nothing.

00:47:23.000 A hundred dollars, borrowed.

00:47:23.000 Nothing.

00:47:26.000 And I owe my professor, sponsor, $1,200 in debt.

00:47:31.000 I could not even speak English.

00:47:33.000 I was about 24 years old.

00:47:35.000 I walk away from a country, my family friends, and in a foreign land, and American people open their arms to welcome me, to offer me their homes, free items, kitchenware, blankets, clothing, because I was a poor graduate student.

00:47:52.000 And I lived in Austin, Texas, a traditionally very white neighborhood.

00:47:57.000 They were so warm to me.

00:47:59.000 Let's start from the beginning, because we left off, you know, you had just, you had left China, so, tell me what it was like, you're finally leaving China, coming to America, you knew, and no one else did, you had been planning this for years, convincing everyone around you, that you loved the party, that you were working for the party, and that with your new degree from America, you could come serve the Chinese Communist Party, but really, in the back of your mind, once you got on that plane, you were gonna go, cross that border in America, you were gonna stay in America.

00:48:25.000 So what was that like?

00:48:27.000 So when I get the permission to leave, here's a trick.

00:48:30.000 My party boss said, okay, I will give you paper to go apply for your passport.

00:48:36.000 Even though I got into graduate school on my own time, on my own dime, my own efforts, find American sponsor, all that stuff.

00:48:43.000 Then he said, you must come back, serve your country, write down, sign this agreement, or two conditions, two consequences.

00:48:54.000 We're gonna kick you out of the party, number one. 1.00

00:48:57.000 I didn't care about that, right?

00:48:58.000 That's no big deal.

00:48:59.000 You know, I didn't want to join in the first place.

00:49:01.000 Number two.

00:49:03.000 I told you about household registration, where you're supposed to stay, where you're registered as a family, which is Chengdu.

00:49:10.000 Then your personnel file, who travel with you, secret file that the Chinese Communist Party officials and your employers share with each other.

00:49:19.000 You are not allowed to say what's inside.

00:49:21.000 Your family, parents were never allowed to say what's inside.

00:49:24.000 My personnel file was in Shanghai with me when I was working in Shanghai.

00:49:27.000 If I don't go back, they're going to set my file.

00:49:30.000 Back to Chengdu, Sichuan Western Province, next to Tibet.

00:49:34.000 So I will lose opportunity to have a better career, better living standard, better pay in Shanghai, get my law school job back.

00:49:43.000 That was a tough one.

00:49:44.000 That really pushed me to the corner.

00:49:47.000 I better make it in this country.

00:49:49.000 I don't know how.

00:49:50.000 I didn't have anything to start with.

00:49:52.000 Couldn't even speak the language.

00:49:54.000 I just had this big ambition and big determination.

00:49:58.000 I'm going to make it.

00:49:59.000 I'm going to make it.

00:50:00.000 I don't want to come back to this one party rule state.

00:50:03.000 I want to be free.

00:50:05.000 I want to have prosperity.

00:50:07.000 I want to get rich.

00:50:08.000 That's how I told my friends.

00:50:10.000 Please, I'm going to America.

00:50:11.000 I need a hundred bucks.

00:50:13.000 I do not have that money.

00:50:15.000 $10 here.

00:50:16.000 Write down their name.

00:50:17.000 $10 here.

00:50:18.000 Borrowed.

00:50:19.000 I'm gonna get rich.

00:50:20.000 I'm gonna pay you back.

00:50:21.000 20% interest.

00:50:23.000 How is that?

00:50:24.000 I raised $100.

00:50:25.000 Come to this country. 0.99

00:50:27.000 But I was still a little bit scared because I really don't know how I'm gonna pay bills.

00:50:34.000 I feel so blessed.

00:50:34.000 You know what?

00:50:35.000 The first night I come to this country, my sponsor picked me up.

00:50:40.000 1988, May 11th at Austin Airport.

00:50:43.000 Let's go see your neighborhood because he lives next door to my graduate school dean.

00:50:49.000 So let's go say hi to your dean first.

00:50:52.000 I said, I'm tired.

00:50:54.000 I was airsick.

00:50:55.000 I threw up during my flight.

00:50:57.000 I looked pale.

00:50:58.000 The whole family's waiting.

00:51:00.000 So I showed up at the door, lock on the door, and here's this very earthly mother, like dean, professor, say, welcome to Texas with a garden rose, a red rose from her garden.

00:51:13.000 And then she turn around to say, meet my oldest son, John.

00:51:19.000 And then another son, you know, other kids behind John.

00:51:23.000 So I met my future husband the first night I arrived in Austin, Texas.

00:51:28.000 And I thought I just came over from one point some two billion Chinese and he looked really dark blue eyes and big nose.

00:51:36.000 I saw he look alien like and but he was very nice to me.

00:51:42.000 And he said, would you like to visit campus next day?

00:51:45.000 And very slowly, my English was not good.

00:51:48.000 I said, OK, OK.

00:51:50.000 They thought I was shy, but because I could not speak English, I was tired.

00:51:53.000 I was sick.

00:51:54.000 So next day, he took me to tour the UT Austin campus.

00:51:58.000 And took me to dinosaur museum.

00:52:00.000 And all I heard is sores and sores and sores.

00:52:02.000 I don't know what kind of dinosaur.

00:52:04.000 I said, can I go home, sleep?

00:52:05.000 Because I'm really tired.

00:52:07.000 And he was very patient.

00:52:08.000 So I learn English from him.

00:52:10.000 I will write down my new vocabulary, find a dictionary to learn English.

00:52:14.000 And his mom was next door.

00:52:16.000 Later, when I need a place to stay, and then his mom and next door neighbor, they all offer me free room to stay.

00:52:23.000 So I could pay back my debt.

00:52:25.000 And for two months as a research assistantship, I only made $500 a month.

00:52:31.000 But when I got my first two-month check, oh, that was such a wonderful feeling.

00:52:36.000 I was lying in bed.

00:52:37.000 Look at my first two-month salary, $900 for two months.

00:52:42.000 And I could not sleep.

00:52:44.000 I was so excited.

00:52:45.000 Because that time one dollar equal to five Chinese Yuan or something.

00:52:49.000 That was lots of money, the most money I never made.

00:52:52.000 I did not own anything in China.

00:52:54.000 I did not even own myself.

00:52:57.000 I only had a used bike.

00:52:59.000 So now I have $900 in my check.

00:53:02.000 Oh, I was excited, you know.

00:53:04.000 When did you tell people that you were not going back to China and what was that like?

00:53:09.000 Well, what happened, 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre happened.

00:53:15.000 So they did not single me out because 400,000 Chinese students got ambushed, refugee status.

00:53:24.000 Because if you protest and raise money, which we did, you could go to China, face potential student visa.

00:53:31.000 If we go to China, they can stop me to say, you cannot come back to the United States.

00:53:36.000 My nightmare will happen again.

00:53:39.000 I had to convince my family to say he's really nice guy here's a mom dad brother sister on traditional Texas nice family what they do their pictures and here's John's picture and me I say just pretend that he's like a very excellent Chinese young man except he has blue guys and big nose you know they'll say okay Let's give her a blessing so that she can come home with a guaranteed return ticket. 0.53

00:54:07.000 So I married myself out in a church and my sponsor was my acting father to give me away.

00:54:16.000 And I had a godmother in Texas, and she acted like my mother.

00:54:21.000 And it was a beautiful wedding.

00:54:23.000 But I did not have anybody from my family to attend.

00:54:27.000 I had their family portraits on the table in the church to say, hey, they're watching me.

00:54:33.000 That's how I married myself.

00:54:35.000 Then took my husband back to visit.

00:54:37.000 And they all loved him.

00:54:38.000 But why wouldn't the party make you stay then?

00:54:42.000 After, I mean, you had been gone.

00:54:43.000 You broke the rules, didn't you?

00:54:45.000 Well, because I'm just one of the 400,000 people, I did not go to Shanghai to work.

00:54:51.000 They probably even did not know I went back to visit it.

00:54:54.000 Because I did not go to say, can I have my job back?

00:54:57.000 Well, I couldn't even have my job back, because I already broke the rule, right?

00:55:01.000 But in order to go back, I still had a Chinese passport at that time.

00:55:06.000 And it was OK, because I was one of the 400,000 students got a political refugee status because the US government offered that.

00:55:14.000 So I was lucky in that regard.

00:55:15.000 I could go back to find my family.

00:55:17.000 They saw my children later.

00:55:18.000 And they threw a party for us.

00:55:21.000 It's like a wedding celebration.

00:55:24.000 Afterwards we got married, but in Chinese style.

00:55:27.000 You were saying that even in China, a couple years before you left, you had been planning this thing.

00:55:32.000 You had been rebellious.

00:55:34.000 Do you think you would have been protesting during the Tiananmen Square protests in any way?

00:55:39.000 I don't think you were there.

00:55:40.000 You weren't, right?

00:55:41.000 I was in Shanghai, not in Beijing.

00:55:43.000 But the June 4th Tiananmen Square students' protests were happening all over China.

00:55:49.000 So when I went back in the year 1990 with my husband, guess what?

00:55:55.000 My family acted really weird.

00:55:57.000 We would say hi to neighbors, have friends come over, have a big feast.

00:56:01.000 When everybody's gone, just my favorite uncle and his wife left in the room.

00:56:06.000 Then they locked the door.

00:56:08.000 Now tell us, what do you know?

00:56:11.000 See?

00:56:12.000 They were asking me, what do I know about Tiananmen Square 1989?

00:56:17.000 What is the foreign press saying?

00:56:19.000 What did I see on TV?

00:56:22.000 I told them the truth.

00:56:23.000 They did not know the truth, but they saw with their own eyes.

00:56:26.000 Students, even in Chengdu, protested and got crushed.

00:56:31.000 So the crush of students is everywhere in China, not just in Beijing.

00:56:36.000 The only thing you saw on CNN But they were all over.

00:56:39.000 I had a friend in Shanghai.

00:56:41.000 He got thrown into jail.

00:56:43.000 He came to this country later as a graduate student and swear to God he will never go back to China.

00:56:49.000 He even become Christian.

00:56:51.000 And he's working, living in North Carolina.

00:56:54.000 He said, no, I will never go back.

00:56:56.000 Probably he's on blacklist.

00:56:57.000 He went to jail before, right?

00:56:59.000 He doesn't have a good record to go back to.

00:57:01.000 And so we talk sometimes.

00:57:03.000 And he's very busy now.

00:57:05.000 He's not very politically active.

00:57:06.000 But he tell me though, I really don't want to go back to China.

00:57:11.000 You know, I don't care.

00:57:12.000 I care more about what's happening in America now.

00:57:15.000 I was thinking when you were saying they locked the door and

00:57:21.000 they were asking you in the room what happens.

00:57:23.000 Like now, today, they can listen with like telescopic radio and

00:57:28.000 listen to people talking in their houses.

00:57:30.000 Lays on a window.

00:57:31.000 How difficult it is to get the information around when the government goes haywire.

00:57:36.000 It's getting more it seems like it's getting more difficult.

00:57:37.000 Maybe it's getting easier to in some ways that I don't know underground.

00:57:41.000 It's all social media now called WeChat.

00:57:44.000 You have groups.

00:57:45.000 So you have to be careful in China.

00:57:48.000 People, I don't know what they do with their cell phones when they talk about sensitive stuff, because everything can be tracked by your cell phone.

00:57:57.000 See, Chinese government even banning cash now.

00:58:00.000 Every financial transaction is with your cell phone.

00:58:04.000 When you go get your cell phone, brand new cell phone, the cell phone company, Which is semi-governmental.

00:58:10.000 They scan your face.

00:58:12.000 They get your voice recording.

00:58:14.000 Then give you the number.

00:58:16.000 Then hook up with your bank account.

00:58:18.000 And now, your vaccine record.

00:58:21.000 Vaccine passport?

00:58:22.000 Sounds familiar.

00:58:24.000 So everything is on your cell phone.

00:58:26.000 Everybody has a cell phone.

00:58:28.000 It's very cheap to get.

00:58:29.000 Then they built 4G, 5G network all over the country.

00:58:33.000 300, 300 million.

00:58:37.000 public facial recognition cameras in public places in China today.

00:58:43.000 In a few years will be 600 million.

00:58:46.000 For every two citizens in China, you have one camera watch you.

00:58:52.000 And those are huge cameras.

00:58:53.000 Not like little traffic cameras you saw here.

00:58:56.000 I saw them before.

00:58:56.000 Huge!

00:58:58.000 And they are in Xinjiang.

00:59:00.000 The Uyghur place. 0.99

00:59:01.000 Everywhere.

00:59:02.000 Watch people.

00:59:03.000 You cannot even talk to your relatives overseas without somebody next to you listening.

00:59:08.000 Say what you're saying.

00:59:10.000 So it's a... People always say...

00:59:14.000 Why Chinese just comply? 1.00

00:59:17.000 I say, well, first of all, the government propaganda got lots of people in the cities brainwashed.

00:59:24.000 Some even think social credit system is good for the society.

00:59:29.000 All the bad behaviors are gone.

00:59:32.000 But how about citizens' voices?

00:59:35.000 How about dissidents' voices?

00:59:38.000 Ah, it doesn't matter, you know?

00:59:40.000 So if your social credit score system, your score is low, you cannot buy train tickets to travel.

00:59:47.000 Forget about flying.

00:59:48.000 Forget about getting your passport, leave the country. 1.00

00:59:51.000 And your kids cannot even go to good schools.

00:59:53.000 You cannot get mortgages.

00:59:55.000 And you cannot even say something on your WeChat because your account was shut down.

01:00:00.000 Hey, sounds familiar in America?

01:00:03.000 You self-censor all the time.

01:00:06.000 Don't say anything, then you will get shot down.

01:00:09.000 Or your score will be low.

01:00:10.000 You cannot get job.

01:00:11.000 Your kids cannot get the health care benefits.

01:00:14.000 Cannot go to good school.

01:00:16.000 Now they're forcing people getting vaccinated.

01:00:19.000 And everybody has to, no exceptions.

01:00:23.000 And some people will cross the firewall, which is the internet blocker.

01:00:31.000 Use a VPN and watch my video.

01:00:34.000 Interviews.

01:00:35.000 Maybe, hopefully, they will watch this one, too.

01:00:37.000 And they will tell me, Lily, please, tell Americans, don't let America to become like China, because we have hope in China if America is free.

01:00:49.000 And you tell them, you tell them, don't become like us.

01:00:53.000 You speak for us voiceless people in China.

01:00:56.000 Every time when I get a message like that, I'm just like so moved, touched.

01:01:00.000 It gave me more courage to continue to speak up.

01:01:03.000 you know, same way I do here.

01:01:05.000 So you came to America and it was a lot better, and you got married, you had kids, you had a good life.

01:01:12.000 At what point did you start to see the signs in America that were similar to what was happening

01:01:18.000 with the Communist Party in China?

01:01:19.000 I was very naive.

01:01:20.000 When I first came to this country, I felt so happy, so free, even though I did not have money, did not speak English.

01:01:27.000 I just focused on school, English, culture, and of course, dating John.

01:01:32.000 We got married 18 months later.

01:01:34.000 Once we got married, we focused on our graduate degree.

01:01:37.000 We finished graduate degree, took him back to China.

01:01:40.000 I was pregnant with our first son.

01:01:42.000 Boom, boom, boom.

01:01:43.000 So this happened very quick.

01:01:44.000 So guess what happened?

01:01:46.000 You got to make money.

01:01:47.000 After graduate school, you got to get jobs.

01:01:49.000 So you have to get the jobs and raise kids.

01:01:52.000 For 20 years, I was not political.

01:01:56.000 I just wanted to live in peace and trying to achieve my American dream.

01:02:01.000 My husband had student loans.

01:02:03.000 We were even sent to Hong Kong, worked there for two years, and he paid off all his student loans with my help.

01:02:08.000 I got a full-time job, too, doing international trade in Hong Kong, 1996 to 1998.

01:02:14.000 I love Hong Kong.

01:02:15.000 It's so sad what happened today.

01:02:16.000 But then, I come back to this country.

01:02:20.000 What happened is my American dream Got interrupted.

01:02:24.000 I got laid off by corporate America.

01:02:28.000 I was in the telecom industry in 2000.

01:02:30.000 Collapsed.

01:02:31.000 So I got laid off.

01:02:33.000 And we had a big house, mortgage to pay, our dream house with three kids.

01:02:38.000 I started my business.

01:02:40.000 I always wanted to be self-employed.

01:02:43.000 But my first eight years, not profitable.

01:02:46.000 But that gave me time to study English, to get involved.

01:02:51.000 I said, well, since I'm American citizen now, I better learn how this democracy works.

01:02:56.000 So I start to read, I start to go to HOA meetings, I become like a board member of HOA, charter school board member, later chairwoman, fire a principal on my watch.

01:03:08.000 And still, I wasn't threatened until I go to state capital to become student intern for free to learn how state capital, state government is running.

01:03:19.000 And I saw all the people there asking for taxpayer's money, all special interest.

01:03:26.000 So I told my husband, I was kind of depressed today.

01:03:30.000 I went there.

01:03:31.000 Nobody represented us.

01:03:32.000 Middle class, working man, woman who pay taxes for his family. 0.98

01:03:36.000 All special interests.

01:03:37.000 Lots of bureaucrats there representing their special interests, organizations, government agencies.

01:03:44.000 But I still was focused on my business, trying to make money.

01:03:47.000 I got even involved in 2008 in real estate.

01:03:50.000 The only reason I woke up is I was independent for many years.

01:03:54.000 I become Republican.

01:03:56.000 And in 2008, When the crash happened, when the banks were bailed out, I got really upset.

01:04:04.000 Free market failed.

01:04:07.000 Now we need to bail out the banks.

01:04:09.000 TARP money, remember?

01:04:10.000 They bailed out.

01:04:12.000 And all the Patriot Act started tracking American citizens' privacy.

01:04:18.000 It's like, oh, something's not right here.

01:04:21.000 And I start to have better English, read books, and study history.

01:04:26.000 And I even read this book, really opened up my mind, called Free to Choose.

01:04:31.000 Free Market Economics, Milton Friedman.

01:04:33.000 Then later, the agony struck.

01:04:37.000 It's like all that just, I never heard those ideology before.

01:04:41.000 I only know two parties.

01:04:42.000 I only know government do some, government do this, government help us.

01:04:46.000 I never thought about there were other options.

01:04:48.000 It's called free market.

01:04:51.000 Free enterprise and private charity and private community individual help each other.

01:04:59.000 So I start changing.

01:05:01.000 I start to go into some different kind of meetings and then the more I got involved with politics, the more scared I become.

01:05:10.000 Why are people using Marxist terms in this country?

01:05:13.000 Why are they talking about government should be bigger and bigger and free stuff?

01:05:18.000 Give people free stuff and turn people into a renowned government?

01:05:21.000 You know how dangerous that is when you're a renowned government?

01:05:24.000 They take everything away overnight.

01:05:27.000 They enslave you.

01:05:28.000 They track you.

01:05:29.000 You do what I say.

01:05:30.000 Oh, I don't give you food.

01:05:32.000 I don't give you health care.

01:05:33.000 I don't give you schooling.

01:05:36.000 So I become more libertarian, say, oh, we need to have a bigger individual, smaller government.

01:05:41.000 So I start to get more active in politics.

01:05:44.000 My first time testified ever, it was Colorado State House.

01:05:49.000 They trying to ban our magazines, limited magazines, for AR-15s. 0.81

01:05:54.000 So I went there testify 2013, even wrote my first opinion piece published to say, we don't want this here, otherwise, look, The Tiananmen Square Massacre, maybe people will fight instead of get killed, run over by government.

01:06:10.000 We cannot compromise on the Second Amendment.

01:06:13.000 That's the first time I testified.

01:06:15.000 But then, they passed anyway, party line.

01:06:18.000 So I become a liberty activist ever since 2014.

01:06:22.000 I run for state house in Colorado.

01:06:24.000 And I got involved with Libertarian Party because I left Republicans when they upset me.

01:06:30.000 When they left me, I saw they left me.

01:06:32.000 They left their own platform behind.

01:06:34.000 And I just care about our liberty.

01:06:37.000 I don't care about all those politician's rhetoric.

01:06:41.000 Then I run again 2016 because 2016 running for U.S.

01:06:43.000 Senate gave me Unlimited time to talk about my stories, to get interviews like this in Colorado.

01:06:52.000 And I thought, wow, actually whenever I go tell my stories, people give me big hands.

01:06:59.000 I need to do more of this.

01:07:00.000 They obviously want to know more about my stories, what happened to us.

01:07:05.000 So I volunteered to be speaker in the classrooms.

01:07:09.000 for middle school, high school, college students.

01:07:11.000 So I had a sponsor called the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation based in DC.

01:07:18.000 I'm on their speaker's bureau.

01:07:19.000 So students, teachers, principals could request, oh, we need an eyewitness of communism from China to speak to us.

01:07:27.000 Then boom, I will fly there, go to their classroom, teach students.

01:07:31.000 It was so satisfying when I saw students' eyes open up like this, like I did.

01:07:38.000 When I was a senior, like a junior year in college, when I heard those new concepts, right?

01:07:45.000 Our students don't know much about horrors of communism.

01:07:50.000 That's why also our schools are one side dominating.

01:07:56.000 They do not teach you all kinds of ideology for you to choose.

01:07:59.000 No!

01:08:00.000 How many students heard about libertarianism?

01:08:02.000 How many students heard about other philosophers?

01:08:05.000 It's all about Marxism now.

01:08:07.000 Divide and conquer. 0.98

01:08:08.000 They don't use Marxism, but they talk about race.

01:08:12.000 1619.

01:08:13.000 Critical race theory.

01:08:16.000 Equality, diversity, inclusion training. 0.91

01:08:19.000 America is a racist country. 0.93

01:08:22.000 Mass is racist. 1.00

01:08:24.000 How crazy is that?

01:08:26.000 Two plus two equals five.

01:08:27.000 Yes!

01:08:28.000 So, number one rule for the party.

01:08:31.000 I know this, just like 1984.

01:08:34.000 Number one rule, party is always right.

01:08:37.000 Number two, repeat the same talking points every day, even though they're big lies.

01:08:44.000 Every day, repeat it.

01:08:45.000 Every day, same time.

01:08:47.000 Everybody, every media.

01:08:50.000 The lies will become truth.

01:08:52.000 People will no longer question Is the United States learning from Chinese Communist Party tactics?

01:08:59.000 Why?

01:09:00.000 If they are taking their hardcore tactics, why?

01:09:04.000 We got to ask that question.

01:09:06.000 I'm sorry.

01:09:09.000 So American citizens need to ask more questions.

01:09:15.000 And it doesn't matter how much you're afraid to be caught. 0.98

01:09:19.000 You are racist.

01:09:21.000 Uh, that's why I like hearing it from your perspective because it's not just like, it's like I'm able to figure it out on my own through your vision. 0.91

01:09:30.000 Like kind of seeing what you saw.

01:09:32.000 It's almost like I went through it.

01:09:34.000 So I'm able to re-realize how important it is.

01:09:37.000 You mentioned the Democratic, did you say the Democratic Party?

01:09:43.000 Or the American government or whatever, but I'll just rephrase it.

01:09:46.000 We had Jack Pasobic on the show and he's mentioned this a couple times that

01:09:50.000 we all believed that if we opened up to China and we went there and said,

01:09:55.000 look at all of our amazing capitalism, look at our amazing constitution,

01:09:58.000 that they would say this is brilliant and we want to adopt it.

01:10:02.000 Instead, what happened was that many politicians went over to China and said, wait a minute, you built this building?

01:10:09.000 How fast was it done?

01:10:11.000 You mean you just snapped your fingers and you just removed the residents and then got to build your building?

01:10:16.000 You mean you built this road in how many days?

01:10:19.000 Wow, in America, we have to deal with all this bureaucracy.

01:10:22.000 How do we do it?

01:10:23.000 And so the idea, I suppose, is that what ended up happening was Americans realized that it's faster and easier if you just trample over people's rights, and the Chinese Communist Party certainly figured it out. 0.77

01:10:33.000 Now they started importing that here.

01:10:36.000 Why bother with going to a court?

01:10:40.000 Because you've got to deal with one person's rights.

01:10:42.000 It's like that movie, Up.

01:10:43.000 You ever see that movie, Up?

01:10:45.000 Where the old man has the home, and the city is built around it, but he won't sell it.

01:10:49.000 And they want to take it from him, but he refuses.

01:10:51.000 So, what starts is this little house on a hill, and then after, you know, 30 years or so, there's skyscrapers everywhere.

01:10:58.000 They want to build the building, but his house is still there, and they can't just take it from him.

01:11:03.000 Well, that movie wouldn't happen in China.

01:11:05.000 It would be banned.

01:11:06.000 Well, probably.

01:11:08.000 But if you made the movie up in China, it would be three minutes long where the guy says, you can't have my house.

01:11:13.000 And they say, you never owned the house in the first place.

01:11:14.000 And then they just steamroll it and then build a building.

01:11:17.000 Well, during the uprising process of China, so-called modernization building, you know, skyscrapers, high-rise housing, they actually mislocated lots of people. And you talk about admin domain

01:11:33.000 is bad in America, talk about China, you know, they... I have a friend in New York City now, she 1.00

01:11:42.000 She's a political refugee.

01:11:44.000 She had a 10-year, 15-year factory producing product services during the economic boom. 0.76

01:11:50.000 And she got rich because of that. 0.98

01:11:52.000 All of a sudden, the local government said, we need your land to build high-rise housing.

01:12:00.000 Because land belongs to the state.

01:12:03.000 Remember?

01:12:05.000 All the land, all the natural resources belong to the state in China.

01:12:09.000 If you build something, it's only the structure on top of the land is yours.

01:12:14.000 But even for that, they want to flat it.

01:12:18.000 And she went to court, did not want them to abolish her factory.

01:12:23.000 Then court even said, It is her factory. 0.81

01:12:26.000 You cannot do this.

01:12:28.000 It doesn't matter.

01:12:29.000 One party rule.

01:12:30.000 They control courts.

01:12:31.000 They control everything.

01:12:33.000 So the local government like mafia, they bulldoze her factory. 1.00

01:12:38.000 And she had to flee to come to this country in order to try to get her story told.

01:12:43.000 She even trying to handle her paper to the, and she, when she was visiting here.

01:12:48.000 So, When people talk about, oh, it's so efficient for the Chinese government to build this, build that, they're also very inefficient to put 1 million people in concentration camps in Xinjiang today, and harvesting people's organs, and arresting disappeared human rights lawyers. 0.64

01:13:09.000 And the citizen journalists who don't have a license to practice to report?

01:13:14.000 So do we want to become like them?

01:13:16.000 Democracy?

01:13:17.000 Constitutional Republic?

01:13:19.000 You have a process.

01:13:21.000 Everybody is entitled to fair trial, fair process of voting to decide what to do.

01:13:27.000 You cannot just wipe out like during last year.

01:13:31.000 Your constitutional rights don't even matter because we have a pandemic!

01:13:34.000 Maybe Chinese leaked pandemic virus? 1.00

01:13:37.000 You know what I've been saying is to the people who've read the books like 1984, did you think that the totalitarian regime wouldn't have an excuse?

01:13:58.000 Did people believe when they read 1984 that the party that seized control one day just got up and said, we are taking control and everyone said, OK, I guess?

01:14:06.000 No.

01:14:06.000 It's always an excuse.

01:14:08.000 It's like V for Vendetta.

01:14:10.000 Have you seen V for Vendetta?

01:14:11.000 You should definitely see that movie.

01:14:14.000 It's a graphic novel series, but the movie is fantastic.

01:14:19.000 And it's a story about a totalitarian regime.

01:14:22.000 It's in the UK.

01:14:25.000 And for them it was a virus.

01:14:27.000 There was, I think it was called the St. Mary's virus in the film, that people got scared,

01:14:31.000 pharmaceutical company then started coming out with the cure that made tons of people

01:14:34.000 rich, the party members all coincidentally got really wealthy, and it was their excuse

01:14:38.000 for seizing control.

01:14:41.000 People were scared and so they gave up that control, but there's always some excuse.

01:14:45.000 I love animals.

01:14:46.000 Have you read Animal Farm?

01:14:47.000 It's also George Orwell, and it's basically, I read it after I read 1984, but it's like a version of what could lead up to 1984.

01:14:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:54.000 Yeah.

01:14:55.000 You see the farm and the workers take over because the farmer's not doing a good enough job.

01:15:00.000 They throw him out.

01:15:01.000 Then the smartest of the workers seem to take control of the party and the pigs. 0.98

01:15:05.000 It's a short book.

01:15:06.000 And there's a famous saying that there are some animals always more equal than others.

01:15:11.000 Right, I know that.

01:15:12.000 Like today, our tyrants, governors, mayors, and all the public health bureaucrats, politicians, we get told, stay home, no travel, don't say goodbye to your loved ones, and shut your business for public good.

01:15:26.000 That's what they told us in China.

01:15:27.000 It's always an excuse to take away your rights and liberty.

01:15:32.000 It's for public good.

01:15:33.000 It's for public health.

01:15:36.000 It's for society's stability.

01:15:38.000 And you're not human beings.

01:15:39.000 You stay home.

01:15:41.000 You must do this.

01:15:42.000 You must do that.

01:15:43.000 Do they have this authority to tell another human being?

01:15:46.000 Those people are not gods.

01:15:47.000 They're not angels.

01:15:49.000 They're not even actually decent politicians. 0.99

01:15:52.000 They're corrupted tyrants. 0.97

01:15:54.000 And they tell me how to live my life here. 0.99

01:15:56.000 That's like a hell no.

01:15:57.000 Hell no! 0.93

01:15:58.000 We need to march like the European people did last weekend, like the Greek people did last weekend. 0.77

01:16:04.000 We, people who love freedom, who have human dignity, need to unite in the world.

01:16:10.000 There are so many tyrants, all want to become the rulers, the masters, to control us.

01:16:16.000 To have so much power, is that nice?

01:16:19.000 Like Lord of the Rings, I'm gonna wear this one ring.

01:16:21.000 I have unlimited power.

01:16:23.000 I watch those movies.

01:16:25.000 It's like, wow.

01:16:26.000 Absolute power corrupts.

01:16:28.000 Absolutely.

01:16:29.000 And what is wrong with Americans today who believe authority?

01:16:32.000 If it's sales, you fear.

01:16:35.000 You're gonna just lie down.

01:16:38.000 Live on your knees.

01:16:39.000 And stay home. 0.55

01:16:40.000 And shut your business. 1.00

01:16:42.000 Government gave me some unemployment checks.

01:16:44.000 Gave me some stimulus.

01:16:46.000 And now inflation's coming.

01:16:47.000 It's like largest increase on your taxes when inflation's so big.

01:16:51.000 It hurts the working class.

01:16:53.000 It hurts the poor.

01:16:54.000 But they don't understand economics.

01:16:57.000 How come our kids don't even study a book called Economics 101?

01:17:01.000 That tells you they don't want you to become smart.

01:17:04.000 They want to dumb down you.

01:17:05.000 That's easy to sell your fear, because you're afraid.

01:17:08.000 If you're afraid, you stay home.

01:17:10.000 Don't go out.

01:17:11.000 You're familiar with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

01:17:13.000 Of course, I challenge her, debate her, but she totally grow on me because I'm nobody.

01:17:18.000 She has an economics degree, and recently on Twitter, failed to define capitalism.

01:17:24.000 She had started a business.

01:17:25.000 She was selling merchandise. 0.81

01:17:26.000 She was criticized for engaging in capitalism and being a socialist.

01:17:29.000 And then she said that that's not capitalism.

01:17:31.000 Capitalism is when wealthy people exploit the working class and just some very ideological and biased view of what capitalism actually means.

01:17:41.000 Capitalism actually is a really simple definition.

01:17:44.000 The private markets, private enterprise, the private exchange of goods and the private trade.

01:17:50.000 And socialism is the public control of the means of production.

01:17:54.000 So a capitalist system—and there's in-betweens.

01:17:58.000 You can have a mixed economy.

01:18:00.000 We have a bit of a mixed economy.

01:18:01.000 Yes, we don't have total, actually pure capitalism at all.

01:18:05.000 That's why people cannot understand when they support Bernie Sanders and demonize capitalism, they think what we have is corporatism, is capitalism.

01:18:14.000 So they feel like injustice.

01:18:17.000 Of course, there's lots of income gaps, and there's a super-rich and super-poor, you know, you have that in all this society.

01:18:23.000 But what is our alternative?

01:18:25.000 You want 100 million people die?

01:18:27.000 And you want 1% of the ruling class over you? 0.99

01:18:30.000 So what is the alternative?

01:18:32.000 That's why we need to have conversations.

01:18:34.000 How are we going to improve our lives through more, like, fair competition?

01:18:39.000 I mean, so we actually, free market, real free market capitalism, everybody's equal!

01:18:44.000 Instead now we're talking about Oh, only the billionaires.

01:18:48.000 They can shut you down.

01:18:50.000 They can lock you up.

01:18:51.000 And they can sell you the things you must buy because no more competition left.

01:18:56.000 Because they want to make more money.

01:18:58.000 That's not real capitalism.

01:18:59.000 It's the embed with government to have a monopoly.

01:19:03.000 That's totally wrong.

01:19:04.000 That's not fair to regular common man.

01:19:07.000 There's never going to be the equality in terms of class the way these class theorists believe.

01:19:14.000 That you could implement communism and then all of a sudden people are even on an even footing.

01:19:19.000 Because some people are still going to be taller.

01:19:21.000 Some people are still going to be shorter.

01:19:22.000 Some people are still going to be faster or stronger or weaker.

01:19:26.000 Or slower.

01:19:27.000 And some people are going to be smarter.

01:19:29.000 And the smart people will figure out how to navigate these systems and succeed.

01:19:33.000 And the people who aren't as smart will probably struggle in that regard.

01:19:36.000 And there's nothing you can do to change it.

01:19:39.000 These people don't understand.

01:19:40.000 They think everyone must be equally as smart as each other.

01:19:42.000 They think everybody's the same height.

01:19:43.000 Everybody's the same speed.

01:19:45.000 If we're in the middle of the woods, and a grizzly bear, or how about a black bear that's charging at us, well, the taller, faster person's not going to get eaten.

01:19:54.000 The world doesn't... We can complain that it's wrong, that it sucks, that the world is this way.

01:19:59.000 But they don't want to accept that.

01:20:02.000 Right, Tim.

01:20:03.000 That's why equity is Marx's term.

01:20:06.000 They want an equal outcome.

01:20:08.000 That's what the Cambodian communists did. 0.75

01:20:12.000 They want everybody to even look the same. 0.96

01:20:14.000 If you wear glasses, you get killed. 0.99

01:20:16.000 If you're too tall, we cut your legs in half. 0.99

01:20:19.000 Because we want everybody to look the same! 0.99

01:20:21.000 Isn't that insane?

01:20:22.000 And the people buy into socialism, communism, because it sounds utopian, sounds wonderful.

01:20:30.000 But it never came.

01:20:31.000 Mao promised land to the peasants, intellectuals to have free ideas, free expectations.

01:20:37.000 Then he never gave the land to peasants, he never gave it to intellectuals, and even the journalists the freedom to practice, to speak up.

01:20:46.000 Lots of journalists in the country are leaning left.

01:20:50.000 They really don't understand history either.

01:20:52.000 Teachers, too.

01:20:53.000 They were indoctrinated in colleges training teachers all about left Marxism.

01:20:59.000 Because it sounds wonderful.

01:21:00.000 They're compassionate.

01:21:02.000 I understand.

01:21:03.000 But the thing is, when you look at the system, when you look at actually what happened when you went to that kind of system, Only 1% ruling all equally poor people.

01:21:15.000 You don't get what you wanted, you desired for.

01:21:18.000 And you will be enslaved because everybody rely on government instead of yourself, responsibility, families, churches, communities.

01:21:27.000 The result is just disastrous.

01:21:29.000 It's a lot worse than what Bernie Sanders would like to believe.

01:21:33.000 Or AOC.

01:21:33.000 I would like to talk to her.

01:21:35.000 If she wants to sit down with me, I invite her to sit down with me.

01:21:39.000 So now with the lockdowns, you know, we saw these videos of nurses dancing in the hallways.

01:21:44.000 There was one viral video where a woman was filming them rehearse their dancing.

01:21:48.000 And she said, you can hear her say, as she's filming it, is this why we can't get any help?

01:21:52.000 What are they doing?

01:21:53.000 And then you can see the nurses, they're dancing.

01:21:54.000 In one video, the nurses are dancing with a mock corpse that says COVID-19.

01:21:59.000 It's got a toe tag on it.

01:22:00.000 These are disgusting and disturbing videos, but they're telling you, you can't visit your loved ones on their deathbed.

01:22:06.000 You can't be there for the birth of your children or the death of your parents.

01:22:10.000 Seeing all that stuff, my question is, it's happening all over the world.

01:22:17.000 Would you compare it to Communist China, and what do you do?

01:22:20.000 When do you try and leave, and where would you go?

01:22:24.000 Well, I have no place to go.

01:22:27.000 America is home. 0.72

01:22:29.000 That's why I wanted to tell my stories to warn Americans that it's not just critical race theory.

01:22:36.000 It's not just two weeks flat the curve.

01:22:38.000 It's not just, you know, like for public health and temporary shutdown.

01:22:44.000 It's not!

01:22:46.000 I don't see that.

01:22:47.000 I say it's our liberty and the rights could be gone forever if we don't speak up, if we don't fight back, we don't resist.

01:22:57.000 And do we want to rule by communists?

01:23:00.000 Have everybody who came here from communist countries meant to condemn America?

01:23:07.000 I have my YouTube channel, Lady Tom Williams.

01:23:10.000 I'm not going to get immigrants come to my channel, talk about their stories. 1.00

01:23:13.000 Why we choose this country?

01:23:15.000 Why we love America?

01:23:18.000 Why we reject all this nonsense to call America systemic racist country?

01:23:23.000 Is that really about race?

01:23:25.000 Or is it about something else?

01:23:26.000 It's about destruction.

01:23:28.000 Fundamentally, destruction of America.

01:23:31.000 The values, the exceptionalism, and the constitution, the declaration of independence, to replace them with what?

01:23:40.000 What are we going to do after we destruct?

01:23:44.000 We're gonna be equally poor.

01:23:45.000 We're gonna have a Marxism.

01:23:47.000 We're gonna have our children all become little social justice warriors, don't have any skills and don't have any love for this country.

01:23:55.000 Chinese government, CCP is laughing to the bank right now.

01:24:00.000 They have infiltrated our society and see America exactly is where they want it. 0.94

01:24:07.000 They are threatening people like me, this country speak up against the communism.

01:24:12.000 We are traitors.

01:24:13.000 We are counter-revolutionary.

01:24:15.000 Or we are extremists.

01:24:17.000 Whatever.

01:24:18.000 Our media rhetoric is consistent with Chinese official talking points.

01:24:24.000 It's so sad.

01:24:26.000 Why are they doing that?

01:24:27.000 Do our journalists understand?

01:24:30.000 If you practice journalism in China, you need to get a state license, you need to study Chairman Xi's thoughts, you need to pass a test.

01:24:39.000 Here they're kong ba yang, stuff that can make them to get through under the bus someday. 1.00

01:24:47.000 And the teachers, any conscious, good teachers, it's time to speak up now for the children of our country's sake.

01:24:55.000 Don't teach division.

01:24:57.000 Don't teach hate.

01:24:59.000 We need to be united as Americans.

01:25:00.000 There's nothing we cannot do.

01:25:02.000 We cannot win if we are united.

01:25:05.000 But they're indoctrinated.

01:25:07.000 They believe it all.

01:25:10.000 They believe every single word of the ideology, even its contradictions.

01:25:15.000 How do you communicate with someone who isn't interested in the truth, but is only interested in defending their ideology or their cult?

01:25:23.000 You gotta get them on your side first.

01:25:24.000 And the way to do that is to show that communism has some benefit in small groups.

01:25:29.000 It doesn't scale very well.

01:25:30.000 But in a family unit, that's a communist unit.

01:25:32.000 Yes, but these people don't think they're communists.

01:25:35.000 In fact, when you tell some of these teachers what cultural Marxism is, they respond by saying that's a conspiracy theory.

01:25:41.000 It's not real.

01:25:42.000 Possibly.

01:25:43.000 You're probably right a lot of times, but I think tonight, if someone has listened to this show... Just a lot, not always.

01:25:47.000 Yeah, there's a possibility that someone that had been in that mindset had listened to you tonight and now thinks it differently.

01:25:53.000 That's possible and probable, actually.

01:25:56.000 And it's just one person at a time, but with the video, that scales.

01:26:00.000 So it's 100 million people at a time, or 50 million, or 10 million, or whatever.

01:26:03.000 I know.

01:26:04.000 I have people always say that.

01:26:06.000 Our people think, oh, you're just trying to scare us.

01:26:10.000 We're not communist China.

01:26:11.000 This is not communism.

01:26:14.000 It's about racial equity.

01:26:16.000 It's about justice.

01:26:17.000 I know their words, but I have lived through it.

01:26:21.000 Lots of immigrants have lived through it.

01:26:23.000 Look at the Cuban Americans, what they're saying. 1.00

01:26:26.000 Look at the people who fled the former Soviet Union, what they're saying.

01:26:30.000 We see the writings on the wall.

01:26:32.000 We recognize the signs.

01:26:35.000 We recognize the terms and tactics.

01:26:38.000 When you do the diversity training now, it's like China's Cultural Revolution struggle

01:26:44.000 You go to a room.

01:26:46.000 You keep your head down.

01:26:47.000 You look depressed. 1.00

01:26:49.000 You apologize for being white, racist. 0.99

01:26:52.000 If you don't even realize, oh, my parents actually told me, oh, man, I guess I need to dig deeper. 0.98

01:26:59.000 I have what you call hidden bias.

01:27:02.000 against people of color. 0.95

01:27:04.000 Then you should denounce yourself.

01:27:06.000 Then you should apologize and public shaming.

01:27:11.000 Have you seen public shaming last year during the riots and looting?

01:27:16.000 Public shaming!

01:27:17.000 And people take knees and all that.

01:27:19.000 It's like a We still have maybe some time left to stop this train going down socialist communist path, but they are here.

01:27:30.000 The train has started.

01:27:31.000 It's gonna go down fast.

01:27:33.000 If we don't educate our citizens and to be united to realize danger, horror, we're gonna go down that way.

01:27:42.000 So that's why I'm calling for people to listen to immigrants like us, who live through it, and we don't buy this whatever left you're trying to sell us.

01:27:52.000 Our citizens are not our enemies.

01:27:55.000 They're not.

01:27:56.000 Doesn't matter which party you belong to, you're independent, Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter.

01:28:01.000 It's the people who want to control us, dominate us.

01:28:04.000 Want to put a chain on our necks and chains around our brain? 0.54

01:28:09.000 You cannot even think!

01:28:11.000 Those are our enemies.

01:28:12.000 They will throw all of us, 99% of us, under the bus.

01:28:17.000 Doesn't matter if you are supporters or not.

01:28:20.000 Oh, what were you going to say there?

01:28:22.000 Yeah, you go ahead.

01:28:22.000 Do you think there's anything that could have been done when Mao had been coming to power in the 50s that could have changed and made it so it didn't happen?

01:28:31.000 Well, he did lose a little bit power.

01:28:34.000 Remember, they had a new president, Liu, after Mao, and all the people starving to death.

01:28:41.000 Mao was such a supreme leader when people were starving to death.

01:28:45.000 Because all the mayors, governors, all the leaders were appointed by the party, not elected by the people.

01:28:51.000 So people were afraid to tell the truth.

01:28:53.000 Because if you tell the truth, like a COVID-19 cover up, or like this flooding, if you tell the truth, you might lose your job.

01:28:59.000 So everybody trying to tell good news.

01:29:01.000 Who is that?

01:29:02.000 During what time?

01:29:03.000 never tell the truth.

01:29:04.000 So nobody could stop him.

01:29:06.000 By the time he become like a godlike, by starting the Cultural Revolution, 0.93

01:29:10.000 so he purged his political enemies.

01:29:12.000 You know what happened to our, that time, the Chinese president, he was house arrested. 0.98

01:29:18.000 He died alone, like a pig, alone on the floor.

01:29:23.000 Who was that, during what time, what year? 0.95

01:29:25.000 During the Cultural Revolution, his name is Liu Shaoqi, president of China.

01:29:30.000 So Mao was not the president?

01:29:32.000 Was he just a guy?

01:29:33.000 He was a military commission chairman.

01:29:33.000 Just some guy?

01:29:37.000 He was a Communist Party chairman.

01:29:41.000 Those two jobs, one you control the party, one you control the guns. 0.86

01:29:45.000 That's another similarity I see with today.

01:29:50.000 Law enforcement go down and almost like one party control now, you know, walk military.

01:29:56.000 It's like it's very dangerous.

01:29:59.000 When people swear to defend U.S.

01:30:01.000 Constitution and the citizens constitutional rights against the domestic enemy foreign All domestic, and now you got to go through this so-called loyalty test, almost like. 0.86

01:30:16.000 You got to be active anti-racist.

01:30:19.000 Do we have to play race card?

01:30:21.000 So the anti-racist people today, I think they're practice racism.

01:30:25.000 It's all about your skin color, it's all about your race, but nothing about other stuff, like individual character, your mind, diversity of ideas, no?

01:30:34.000 It's all about race. 0.87

01:30:35.000 So they are actually racist. 0.97

01:30:37.000 But then you talk about they're fascists.

01:30:40.000 Antifa are supposed to be anti-fascist.

01:30:42.000 But what do they do?

01:30:44.000 Are they practicing actually fascism?

01:30:48.000 I think they are.

01:30:49.000 Because anybody who's against them, you can get threatened. 0.97

01:30:52.000 Mafia can come kill you. 1.00

01:30:54.000 Well, it's like Ibram Kendi said.

01:30:55.000 What was his real name?

01:30:56.000 Henry Rogers.

01:30:59.000 Henry Rogers is his middle and last name.

01:31:01.000 Ibram Henry Rogers.

01:31:04.000 It's like he said.

01:31:06.000 In his worldview, he wants racial discrimination because he says it's the only way to end past racial discrimination.

01:31:13.000 And then he also says that he wants future racial discrimination.

01:31:16.000 But he's an anti-racist.

01:31:18.000 Well, it tells you all you need to know about anti-fascists.

01:31:21.000 Their idea is that they're going to implement authoritarian tactics of violence against anyone who opposes them because, well, they have to.

01:31:29.000 To defeat fascism, because fascism is also violent.

01:31:33.000 But that also means they have to attack innocent people, too, just in case.

01:31:36.000 They'll claim they won't.

01:31:37.000 It's propaganda.

01:31:38.000 We've seen them smash the windows.

01:31:39.000 We've seen the photos from Germany, where every storefront is smashed up except the one.

01:31:44.000 The one that had the red salute in the window.

01:31:47.000 The fist of the Communist Party of China, the symbol of Marxism, that was in the window and that was the one storefront that wasn't destroyed.

01:31:54.000 People tell me all the time, really, it's not just America now, but America is our last hope.

01:32:00.000 They all feel they lost Europe, they lost Australia.

01:32:03.000 I'm hoping Australian people are waking up and, you know, that there are lots of things happening all over the world.

01:32:09.000 It's like there is this huge communism wave because this virus alone can shut down all the freedom-loving people's rights and liberties.

01:32:22.000 Guess who benefits?

01:32:23.000 Who benefits?

01:32:25.000 Follow the people who benefit to gain power and to gain money, including our own government, our own billionaires' corporations, and, of course, Chinese government, Silk Road Initiative.

01:32:38.000 They are using lots of money to buy up foreign companies, corrupt the government.

01:32:43.000 Some people think, oh, they're so smart to build the Silk Road Initiative.

01:32:47.000 They are smart, of course, and they want Your country's support to expand globally.

01:32:56.000 They want to become number one by 2049.

01:32:58.000 Xi Jinping said his China dream, China will be number one, dominating power of the world.

01:33:05.000 Because of the lockdown, they think that'll happen in 2028 now, that China will take over the US economy as the largest economy on the planet.

01:33:13.000 Well, let's go to Super Chats and see what everybody's thinking.

01:33:16.000 If you haven't already, hit that like button, subscribe to the channel, go to TimCast.com.

01:33:20.000 We will have a members-only segment coming up after this show at TimCast.com about 11 p.m., but let's read these Super Chats.

01:33:28.000 Rocket Rex says, you were right about who owns the culture.

01:33:31.000 I went to Barnes & Noble for the first time in years.

01:33:34.000 I usually shop online.

01:33:35.000 The majority of the books covered woke ideology.

01:33:39.000 That's right.

01:33:40.000 And I think, you know, for a lot of us, one of the things I'd like to mention to you, Lily, is to consider Over the last year, with all the lockdowns, everyone's forced to stay inside.

01:33:51.000 People were only communicating through social media.

01:33:53.000 But social media, the opinions you're allowed to have, are regulated by small companies, and by the people who run those companies, like Zuckerberg and Dorsey.

01:34:02.000 That meant that conversations that would normally happen at a bar wouldn't.

01:34:06.000 Somebody who might say something that they truly believe about the news, but that opinion is banned, say the story about Hunter Biden, you're locked down, you can't talk about it.

01:34:15.000 You post it on the internet, you get banned.

01:34:16.000 You say learn to code, you get banned.

01:34:18.000 Conversations and ideas were purged by the big tech companies because no one had any other way to communicate.

01:34:24.000 Let's read a little bit more.

01:34:26.000 Justastee says, Hey Tim, have you thought about trying to get G. Edward Griffin on your show?

01:34:32.000 He wrote the book The Creature from Jekyll Island and he also did an interview with Yuri Bezmenov.

01:34:36.000 That would be fantastic.

01:34:37.000 We will look into that.

01:34:40.000 Okay, Neo D Genesis says, Yeah, I think, you know, I'm like heterodox centrist of sorts or whatever.

01:34:59.000 Certainly I don't like the Democratic Party for basically most of the reasons you've explained what's going on with them.

01:35:03.000 But the Republican Party doesn't do anything either.

01:35:05.000 I don't like the Republican Party either.

01:35:05.000 Party politics is busted.

01:35:07.000 I like the Libertarian Party only now because of the Mises Caucus and because of Dave Smith.

01:35:11.000 I understand having to organize for politics, but I don't know why it has to be like a party.

01:35:15.000 Why it's got to be like, we are here, join us or not.

01:35:18.000 Why can't it just be like we're all saying what we think and you vote for whoever you want?

01:35:23.000 It's ballot access.

01:35:24.000 If you're not a major party, your candidates cannot get on the ballot.

01:35:29.000 There's very strong restrictions based on your state.

01:35:34.000 Some states are easier, some states are very hard.

01:35:37.000 Ever since Ross Perot ran as a third party, independent, got into presidential debate, have you seen any other ones got into presidential debate?

01:35:45.000 Nobody could.

01:35:47.000 Nobody could.

01:35:48.000 It's a two-party system dominating the society. 0.59

01:35:51.000 I wish, what if we had like all American party, huh? 0.87

01:35:54.000 That would be cool.

01:35:56.000 But they're saying so, you know, in New Hampshire and Republican Party that I joined, there are lots of good people are fighting a good fight.

01:36:05.000 And Colorado, they have lots of work to do.

01:36:09.000 And so I think it depends.

01:36:11.000 I always respect people.

01:36:13.000 I met Dave Smith.

01:36:14.000 I even asked him questions during Porkfest in New Hampshire.

01:36:19.000 I put him on the spot.

01:36:20.000 And basically I said, you know what?

01:36:20.000 Everybody loved it.

01:36:23.000 If libertarians want to educate people to be effective, Then we need to do something better and more, something different.

01:36:31.000 Because if the country is becoming today, from the immigrant eyes, we're going down this path so fast, all the freedom loving Americans somehow have failed. 1.00

01:36:43.000 What have you been doing in the past 40 years?

01:36:45.000 You let the radical left control the educational system and indoctrinate our children, our college students, all our Marxists, hate their family, hate their country.

01:36:55.000 But they will not move to Cuba.

01:36:57.000 We cannot make them to move.

01:36:58.000 We could ship them.

01:36:59.000 I donate air tickets.

01:37:01.000 You know, I will.

01:37:02.000 Yeah, me too.

01:37:03.000 But the thing is, they cannot say where they want to live.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:06.000 But they were just brainwashed.

01:37:08.000 I have offered people I've had these debates on Facebook where people are like, oh, America this, America that, and I'm like, I mean this genuinely.

01:37:15.000 I would love to do a mini-documentary with you.

01:37:18.000 You choose the location.

01:37:20.000 We cover all the costs.

01:37:21.000 We go with you.

01:37:23.000 We don't impose any of our views on you.

01:37:24.000 We just literally say, tell us where you want to go.

01:37:26.000 Show us what you want us to see.

01:37:29.000 Nobody would take up the offer.

01:37:31.000 Can we call it, like, Release the Dragon?

01:37:33.000 The idea was most of these people that I argue with don't know anything about these countries they claim... They're afraid to go.

01:37:41.000 And they are afraid to go.

01:37:42.000 They are still living with mom and dad, too.

01:37:44.000 So some of these countries I've been to, and so I get in a discussion with someone talking about, you know, one country or another, and they say they know what it's like, they know what it is, or it's better, and here's why it's better, or it's worse, and here's why it's worse, and I'm like, I'll pay for your ticket.

01:37:55.000 I'll go with you, we'll film it, and we'll let you guide us, and you'll interview whoever you want to interview.

01:38:00.000 They never want to do it.

01:38:01.000 It's often there.

01:38:02.000 A lot of decision making is done by feeling.

01:38:04.000 That's a problem because then when you start to get analytical and explain the past and

01:38:08.000 the, and the, how the cycles that it's confusing and it kind of threatens their feeling, their

01:38:12.000 worldview based on feeling and they don't have, I've gone, I've been in that position.

01:38:16.000 So I understand it.

01:38:18.000 I do want to stress though, just for this one super chat.

01:38:20.000 Yes.

01:38:21.000 Tomorrow, Charlie Kirk and Vosh will be here.

01:38:24.000 And I guess Vosch is saying it's three right wings on one, because Ian's right wing.

01:38:28.000 All right.

01:38:29.000 Like the weirdest thing to me.

01:38:32.000 I'm the Trojan horse.

01:38:33.000 Yeah, I'm right wing.

01:38:34.000 Let's go.

01:38:35.000 Everybody's always complaining in the chat that Ian's like a leftist or he's like, you know, he's wrong.

01:38:39.000 I'm so glad.

01:38:40.000 But like Tavosh, Ian's right wing.

01:38:42.000 Wow.

01:38:43.000 I love that guy.

01:38:43.000 Even though we disagree on like all these different things, you know what I mean?

01:38:46.000 He's like a D&D friend of mine from high school.

01:38:48.000 That's as far as I go.

01:38:49.000 I just really hate people to be put into boxes.

01:38:51.000 Don't you think?

01:38:52.000 That's why I don't call myself a libertarian.

01:38:52.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 I feel weird saying I'm a libertarian because I feel like I'm then becoming part of this authoritarian process that's saying this is a thing.

01:39:01.000 But little L. Little L libertarian.

01:39:04.000 I am libertarian, but I'm not a libertarian.

01:39:06.000 I feel weird saying... Right.

01:39:08.000 So I just want to say for tomorrow, I certainly, I think one of the problems of the left is they only learn about this show through memes and out of context clips.

01:39:17.000 And I think, you know, the last time we had Vosh on the show, there were a bunch of leftists actually saying, oh, it wasn't that bad.

01:39:24.000 Tim's actually not that bad. 0.98

01:39:25.000 I saw comments where people are like, he's actually seems like someone you'd want to hang out with, but he's kind of dumb. 0.99

01:39:30.000 And so it's like, by all means, you can call me dumb. 0.99

01:39:31.000 I don't care. 0.77

01:39:32.000 But, like, to lie about what we believe and what we do on the show.

01:39:35.000 Like, they're, you know, trying to claim that we do far-right extremist conspiracy nonsense.

01:39:38.000 Like, every article we use is certified by NewsGuard.

01:39:40.000 But I will talk about far-right conspiracy nonsense.

01:39:44.000 I will talk about far-left conspiracy nonsense.

01:39:46.000 Because it's fun!

01:39:47.000 And that's how you understand what other people think.

01:39:48.000 That's the trick.

01:39:49.000 They'll say you push the conspiracy.

01:39:50.000 You gotta understand it without believing it.

01:39:53.000 So the plan for tomorrow is, uh, Ian, I have, I have asked to just try and track the super chats.

01:39:59.000 Yeah.

01:39:59.000 So that we can write down some of the best questions and potential rebuttals.

01:40:03.000 I'm mostly just, I want them to have a conversation and I don't want to, you know, intervene unless there's a fact check involved.

01:40:10.000 And I, I want to try and mostly, I don't, I don't think it's fair if like, you know, Charlie and I are both yelling at Vosh.

01:40:16.000 I don't agree with Charlie on a lot of things.

01:40:18.000 He's a conservative, I'm more libertarian, but we certainly probably agree more on more stuff than I would with Vosh.

01:40:22.000 But I don't want to do a show where it's just like, you know, a pile on, you know, so if he says something and he

01:40:28.000 claims it's true and says, you know, Charlie's wrong, we'll look it up and we'll call out who we got to call out.

01:40:33.000 When I, when I go to college campuses, lots of times, uh, Charlie, um, Kirk's a turning point USA on that campus.

01:40:40.000 Normally is my host.

01:40:41.000 They will make a public event.

01:40:43.000 Okay.

01:40:45.000 Chinese Chinese China come to talk to us about her stories and everybody's

01:40:50.000 welcome so sometimes I will get a student especially the students who are

01:40:53.000 in the middle and I mean I would love some people to come to challenge me ask

01:40:58.000 me questions or even protest me right but it haven't happened yet normally

01:41:02.000 they just listen to my story their eyes were really big They will focus on my pictures and my facial expressions.

01:41:09.000 So I think that if people just can be calm and listen to each other, respect each other's differences, this country actually can get lots of done.

01:41:20.000 I hate you if you just have a different point of view.

01:41:23.000 I'll tell you, even people that are racist, I don't want to stop them from being racist.

01:41:28.000 That's their worldview, and that is acceptable in the United States.

01:41:32.000 I would like to debate it, but I'm not going to tell you you can't have that thought or that it's bad or wrong.

01:41:36.000 It's the art of free speech anyway, right?

01:41:37.000 Well, I disagree.

01:41:39.000 People need to evolve, and we can't do that if we're shutting each other up.

01:41:42.000 I do want them to not be racist.

01:41:43.000 Well, ultimately, that's my goal as an egalitarian society.

01:41:46.000 Persuade them.

01:41:47.000 Persuade them to.

01:41:48.000 Yes, by understanding their point of view, you have to sympathize and empathize.

01:41:52.000 I have had conversations with some racists, and rather recently, and it's just, no logic.

01:41:59.000 You're right, that's why it's hard to change that, because it's fearful, it's terrifying, and it's scary to think, like, even if I understand them, I might start to think like that.

01:42:08.000 I don't want, but, no, that's not how it works.

01:42:10.000 No, no, I'll tell you what happened, is I had a conversation, and I was thinking to myself, like, this guy's basically telling me two plus two equals five.

01:42:17.000 Like some of these conversations, I'm just like, wow, they really haven't read this.

01:42:20.000 They don't understand this.

01:42:22.000 They make way too many broad assumptions, and it's detrimental to the success of this country.

01:42:27.000 I get it.

01:42:28.000 2.4 plus 2.4 is 4.8, which rounds up to 5.

01:42:31.000 I understand the logic, but it's not real logic.

01:42:36.000 We gotta read some more superchats.

01:42:37.000 It's a misuse of the word lobby.

01:42:39.000 People should not be racist.

01:42:41.000 Let's read some more superchats.

01:42:42.000 Mediocre Fisherman says there are more shortages.

01:42:45.000 I work at a metal shop in Wisconsin and we are having a hard time finding metal.

01:42:49.000 Wow.

01:42:51.000 All right, let's see.

01:42:51.000 see. Georgiev says, hello Tim, get Vosh and one of the Chinese guests you had on last

01:42:57.000 month's to get together on the show. I want to see how Vosh will defend his views then.

01:43:02.000 You know, I respect Vosh for coming on the show now for the second time. And there's

01:43:06.000 a bunch of, there's a few other people who have like first tried to play games to get

01:43:10.000 on the show and then didn't come on the show. But now when I come back on the show, I said,

01:43:14.000 A lot of people say disparaging things about him.

01:43:16.000 By all means, I'm here to talk politics, not personal beef. 0.97

01:43:18.000 and then other people said he was dumb and I was like, hey man, at least we're like having 0.98

01:43:20.000 the conversation. I'm not, I don't hate the guy. A lot of people say disparaging things about him, 0.98

01:43:24.000 like by all means, I'm here to talk politics, not personal beef. And then when we were trying

01:43:29.000 to put together another show, I tweeted at Vosh something, he tweeted something about

01:43:34.000 critical race theory and I said, why don't we have you back on the show then?

01:43:37.000 Because he said, conservatives don't know what critical race theory is.

01:43:39.000 So we're going to have Charlie Kirk and Vosh on with a big part of the discussion will be critical race theory, but we'll talk about everything.

01:43:45.000 It might end up going long, maybe.

01:43:47.000 Maybe we'll roll initiative.

01:43:49.000 That's a Dungeons and Dragons thing.

01:43:52.000 Yeah, I think that, you know, that's why this kind of shows are so important.

01:43:58.000 You know, you give people lots of time to sit down and exchange views.

01:44:02.000 I might disagree with you, you might disagree with me.

01:44:05.000 At least we get each other to listen to each other's views for a little bit.

01:44:09.000 That presents your point.

01:44:12.000 If you have a great idea, why are you so afraid of talking about it and debating it?

01:44:18.000 Why do you have to use force to shut them down?

01:44:20.000 I agree.

01:44:21.000 I'm not scared to have... The only people... There's two kinds of people that I wouldn't want to have on the show.

01:44:27.000 Spammers people who have no nothing to say like obviously you wouldn't invite him anyway and people who are just grifting like they're Obvious behaviors where their intent is to drum up drama and cause problems and just want to you know I find if you have a really good idea It's a you can listen to other people for hours and let them talk because your idea is so good You don't need to yell it.

01:44:47.000 You don't need to repeat it.

01:44:48.000 You can wait.

01:44:49.000 Wait, let me get let me finish this and then you can and then you can say it and As opposed to someone that maybe doesn't really believe what they're saying, so they repeat it over and over, louder and louder.

01:44:58.000 Because when you repeat a lie enough times, it does have an impact.

01:45:02.000 I'll tell you one of the challenges that will definitely be for tomorrow is gish galloping. 1.00

01:45:06.000 What's that?

01:45:07.000 It's when someone says a whole bunch of things really fast that makes it difficult to actually engage.

01:45:11.000 Yeah, good call.

01:45:12.000 It's a that's why I think we're recording it which is cool.

01:45:16.000 So you can watch it like the like I don't care for rules in a debate. I think I don't like

01:45:20.000 viewing things as debates I think we should have a conversation

01:45:22.000 But I will have to put like a foot down if someone says like five points at once

01:45:26.000 Like two plus two equals five three plus three is seven seven plus twelve is ninety one and I'm like stop stop stop

01:45:33.000 We have to address the first one before you can keep saying things but people do that all the time

01:45:37.000 They'll be like critical race theory is not being taught in schools. It never was you're wrong about critical race

01:45:41.000 theory and And Marx is right about class.

01:45:43.000 I'm like, stop, stop, stop.

01:45:45.000 We need to say the first thing, provide a rebuttal.

01:45:47.000 Second thing, rebuttal.

01:45:49.000 You can't just... So it'll be interesting, but let's read some more Super Chats. 0.97

01:45:54.000 All right, let's see.

01:45:55.000 Oh, hey, how's it going?

01:45:59.000 Oregon Life says, Cenk and his goons over at TYT had an hour-long bash session on my boy Tim Pool today.

01:46:05.000 Your show is better by far. 0.99

01:46:07.000 Cenk is just pathetic, to be honest. 0.99

01:46:08.000 I honestly just don't care. 1.00

01:46:09.000 Cenk, come on the show, dude.

01:46:12.000 Yeah.

01:46:15.000 Yeah, actually, I'd be fine with that.

01:46:17.000 I don't care, though.

01:46:18.000 We did a criticism of the Young Turks, and I said if they say anything, I'm not going to respond because I don't care. 0.97

01:46:23.000 I don't care if someone says something about me and insults me.

01:46:26.000 I'm like, whatever, dude.

01:46:26.000 I got work to do.

01:46:27.000 I'm not going to waste my time.

01:46:28.000 Busy.

01:46:29.000 Storm Viking says, Tim, after one of your posts today, you are clearly in favor of forced vaccines.

01:46:34.000 You need to be honest with your audience that built you up.

01:46:38.000 Are you for the vaccine or against it?

01:46:39.000 You need to be honest.

01:46:40.000 What?

01:46:42.000 I'm for people talking to their doctor and figuring out what makes sense for themselves.

01:46:45.000 I don't like when people say the vaccine.

01:46:47.000 I'm in favor.

01:46:48.000 I said private businesses can mandate a vaccine.

01:46:51.000 There's so many vaccines in the world.

01:46:53.000 So like be specific.

01:46:54.000 I worked for Vice and in order to travel to other countries to report, you needed to get vaccinated.

01:46:59.000 The security company wouldn't work with us if I wasn't because they didn't want to deal with someone who had yellow fever.

01:47:04.000 If you don't like what a private business is doing in that regard, then don't work for the company.

01:47:09.000 If the government mandates businesses do it, now that's a problem.

01:47:13.000 If a pizza shop says we don't want to work with people who don't have, you know, vaccines or whatever, I'm like, well then, the pizza guy doesn't owe you anything.

01:47:23.000 I'm more libertarian than that.

01:47:24.000 The pizza guy does not owe you a job.

01:47:27.000 And if he doesn't want to hire you, then...

01:47:29.000 Get back to personal choice.

01:47:31.000 When I was in China, we had no choice.

01:47:33.000 You just lined up.

01:47:35.000 In schools, they just give you lots of shots and no parental rights. 1.00

01:47:40.000 But here, in this free country, if you're an adult, you have personal choice.

01:47:44.000 If you're a parent, then you need to make decisions for yourself and for your children.

01:47:49.000 That's so simple.

01:47:50.000 It's not like either for or against.

01:47:53.000 Respect freedom.

01:47:53.000 Respect people's right to choose.

01:47:56.000 I think it's a problem when a monopolistic business starts doing things.

01:47:58.000 I was just thinking that, because then you need to use the government to enforce a negative right, which is you can't force people to fill in the blanks.

01:48:04.000 But I'm talking about like, you know, John's Pizzeria.

01:48:06.000 It's got like 10 employees, and he's like, here's what I want.

01:48:08.000 I'm like, John doesn't know you or anything.

01:48:10.000 All right, Elizabeth Carmela says, wow, I am enlightened.

01:48:14.000 My father, retired Navy SEAL, used to talk to me about Mao when I was a teenager.

01:48:17.000 I never listened.

01:48:18.000 I didn't understand.

01:48:19.000 I thought it was boring.

01:48:20.000 I am listening now.

01:48:21.000 Time to give dad a call to apologize.

01:48:23.000 A call to apologize.

01:48:24.000 Wow, yeah.

01:48:25.000 Wow, yes.

01:48:29.000 All right.

01:48:29.000 Ghost Crusader says, God bless you, Tim, for having people who escaped communism on your show to show the truth.

01:48:34.000 You should get my dad on.

01:48:36.000 He left communist China at 14 and came to the US and is a multimillionaire now.

01:48:40.000 Wow.

01:48:41.000 Parents sent him here for fear they would kill him.

01:48:43.000 Wow.

01:48:44.000 Good for him.

01:48:45.000 Yeah.

01:48:46.000 Wow.

01:48:47.000 How do we... Ghost Crusaders, I don't know how to get in touch with you.

01:48:49.000 You can look me up on Twitter, follow me, and tweet at me.

01:48:52.000 What's your Twitter?

01:48:53.000 Sour Patch Lids.

01:48:54.000 There you go.

01:48:55.000 That would be really interesting.

01:48:56.000 Yeah.

01:48:58.000 Archangel says, this lady is awesome and very based. 1.00

01:49:00.000 Lily.

01:49:01.000 Thank you.

01:49:02.000 Thank you very much.

01:49:04.000 I appreciate that comment.

01:49:07.000 All right.

01:49:08.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:49:10.000 Curtis Reynolds says, God bless this woman and God bless the USA.

01:49:14.000 Absolutely.

01:49:15.000 Are you very religious?

01:49:16.000 Did you used to be or did you become more religious or less religious as you transitioned from China to the United States?

01:49:22.000 You know, I'm not religious.

01:49:28.000 I do go to churches because I'm open-minded about learning different religions.

01:49:32.000 I'm a very firm supporter of religious freedom.

01:49:36.000 But what happened to me, I think, makes me really, really independent or cautious now.

01:49:44.000 Skeptical.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, I always have to ask lots of questions.

01:49:45.000 Skeptical.

01:49:48.000 So you need the time to study religion, to really... Because I was raised as Buddhist, but then we got shut down during the Mao.

01:49:55.000 So it's like, you know, now it's like, okay, you know, like, I'm open-minded.

01:49:59.000 I mean, I always support people, whatever religion they practice, based on their personal choice.

01:50:05.000 But the thing is, though, that I think there's a tendency that more people trying to look down on people who are Christian conservatives.

01:50:15.000 But then the people who don't have religion, they believe in government.

01:50:19.000 That's even more threat to me.

01:50:21.000 That's another religion. 0.98

01:50:22.000 That's another religion. 0.98

01:50:23.000 That's more scary.

01:50:24.000 All right, this one's important.

01:50:25.000 We have Return of the Mac.

01:50:26.000 He says, groundbreaking interview.

01:50:28.000 Stream is shadow banned.

01:50:29.000 Can't find by searching for it and not showing under your channel.

01:50:32.000 Sad day for American rights.

01:50:33.000 Also, many of you may have noticed the stream was cutting out for some reason.

01:50:35.000 It was, yeah.

01:50:36.000 We have a perfect connection.

01:50:38.000 Our gigabit line is solidified, our IT guy's here, we've built up, and everything's good.

01:50:45.000 We've had the green light the whole time, but for some reason the stream has been dropping off.

01:50:49.000 Very, very interesting.

01:50:49.000 Is that because of me?

01:50:51.000 That's never happened before.

01:50:53.000 We've had instances where our internet flickers, and we can see on our system the stream rate, the bitrate.

01:51:00.000 And so there's been instances where it's like something was wrong.

01:51:02.000 It turned out there was an electrical surge, a lightning strike, and it fried one of our network boxes or whatever.

01:51:07.000 And so then we couldn't even use our backup internet.

01:51:10.000 We have backup internet.

01:51:11.000 So it's an automatic system.

01:51:13.000 When one goes down, it switches over automatically and there's a bump.

01:51:15.000 We can see that happen.

01:51:16.000 This time, nothing on our end.

01:51:18.000 I'm skeptical, as you are, that it's nefarious.

01:51:22.000 I worked with mines for so many years.

01:51:25.000 It's usually, 98% of the time, a technical glitch.

01:51:29.000 Well, I hope it is technical, because otherwise, that's even more stuff for us to worry about.

01:51:36.000 But we have this.

01:51:38.000 LUACoder says, Tim, there are a lot of Chinese communist sympathizers in the chat today.

01:51:42.000 China actually sends people to American social media to spread propaganda and pays them for it.

01:51:47.000 They're called Wumaos, which means 50 cents.

01:51:51.000 Yes, I got threatened by them to Wumao.

01:51:54.000 Wumao is a 50 cents army.

01:51:56.000 So every time when you become internet troll, go to say something in favor of the, you know, the Communist Party and attacking, you know, whoever like me, for example, on my page, they get paid 50 cents.

01:52:09.000 Really?

01:52:10.000 Yes.

01:52:11.000 It's Wumao.

01:52:12.000 It's a 50 cents army.

01:52:13.000 I got a threat on my page.

01:52:15.000 Don't you want to come home again?

01:52:18.000 I once did a video about conflict with China and what China was doing and the U.S.

01:52:21.000 potentially going to war, and a bunch of Western-seeming Chinese YouTubers, well, they were pro-China YouTubers, telling me I was wrong and making rebuttal videos and coming after me.

01:52:33.000 I just ignore it.

01:52:34.000 I don't care.

01:52:34.000 People can say whatever they want, whatever.

01:52:36.000 They are paid influencers.

01:52:38.000 We have to be careful how deeply the CCP infiltrated into America.

01:52:44.000 Like my human rights and liberty activist in this country from China, somebody who actually was jailed in China before, they're trying to hurt him here.

01:52:54.000 They burn his car, burn his park like statues.

01:52:59.000 The way I see it is, you know, we're all, we're running towards this end goal.

01:53:03.000 And you've got people trying to distract you all the time.

01:53:05.000 They're throwing things at you from the sidelines.

01:53:07.000 I'm not going to stop and get into an argument with the guy who's next to the marathon.

01:53:11.000 I'm running a marathon, man.

01:53:12.000 I got places to be.

01:53:13.000 If you stop the chat, you become an easier target.

01:53:14.000 You got to keep moving.

01:53:15.000 All right.

01:53:16.000 Paul Bedard says, Tim nailed it.

01:53:18.000 Government and corporate executives love and envy the CCP model.

01:53:22.000 The democratic process is an inconvenience for them.

01:53:24.000 The will of the people is irrelevant because they don't respect citizens there beneath them.

01:53:28.000 Hmm.

01:53:29.000 Yes.

01:53:30.000 Scott Olsowski says, I've been a regular viewer for over a year now and Lily is by far my favorite guest you've had on.

01:53:39.000 Thank you for sharing your story, Mrs. Williams.

01:53:41.000 Hopefully you can enlighten more Americans.

01:53:43.000 Thank you.

01:53:44.000 I will. 0.77

01:53:45.000 I will until I die.

01:53:47.000 Jason Van Kirk says, I'm glad I got to watch this one live.

01:53:50.000 I'm sure YouTube is going to take this one down.

01:53:53.000 The stream has been dropping off, but we record them all and we put them up on a variety of platforms.

01:53:59.000 Plus we're going to have a members only segment.

01:54:02.000 That's going to be at around 11 PM at TimCast.com.

01:54:04.000 So go check it out.

01:54:05.000 Laurel says, Lily Tong Williams is on fire.

01:54:07.000 I love this woman.

01:54:10.000 So much fire, I'm from Sichuan, too much spicy food.

01:54:14.000 And you were born in the year of the dragon, you told me before the show.

01:54:16.000 Yes, I'm dragon lady too.

01:54:17.000 My husband always tell me, please go focus on liberty, don't fight with me and all this.

01:54:24.000 I love it.

01:54:25.000 What year were you born?

01:54:26.000 79.

01:54:26.000 What does that make Ian?

01:54:29.000 It's every 12 years you have the... I should look it up.

01:54:29.000 I don't know.

01:54:31.000 I'm a tiger.

01:54:32.000 It's the Chinese... Oh, tiger.

01:54:34.000 My dad is tiger.

01:54:35.000 What's it called?

01:54:35.000 Yeah, tiger.

01:54:36.000 The Chinese birth? 0.89

01:54:37.000 Chinese zodiac. 1.00

01:54:38.000 My husband is a bull, a pig. 0.99

01:54:42.000 So actually, according to Chinese zodiac, it's very funny. 1.00

01:54:45.000 Dragon and the pig get along.

01:54:48.000 Have you married for 31 years? 0.99

01:54:50.000 I am the goat. 0.93

01:54:51.000 Are you really your goat?

01:54:52.000 That is the greatest of all time. 0.92

01:54:56.000 They do call me the goat.

01:54:58.000 I like that.

01:54:59.000 That's awesome.

01:55:00.000 Fran Dredger, is that pronouncing it right?

01:55:03.000 Dredger?

01:55:04.000 Lily, do you come to middle schools?

01:55:07.000 Yes, I'm 6th to 8th grade.

01:55:09.000 If they're studying world history, the teachers can request me as their classroom guest speaker.

01:55:17.000 Cool.

01:55:18.000 Lily4Liberty, my Facebook page.

01:55:20.000 There you go.

01:55:23.000 Alright, let's see.

01:55:26.000 Machismo Joe?

01:55:27.000 Is that how you pronounce it?

01:55:28.000 Machismo?

01:55:28.000 Mikeezmo. It's time to start the 2A party. Bridge the gap between the left and the right.

01:55:32.000 Call it the Constitutional Party 2. 2A. Lily, it was great to hear most of your story. Something

01:55:38.000 kept trying to interrupt the video. Yeah, it was cutting out every so often.

01:55:44.000 It was weird.

01:55:44.000 And I'm looking at it like, our Internet's perfect.

01:55:46.000 Everything's fine, yeah.

01:55:47.000 It's not on our end.

01:55:48.000 I can see it.

01:55:49.000 This one's worth a full, clear stream.

01:55:51.000 We do have the recording.

01:55:52.000 Maybe we can make sure people see that on the website or something.

01:55:55.000 So you do have the whole thing recorded?

01:55:57.000 Yeah, we record it.

01:55:58.000 It'll be on iTunes and Spotify and all that stuff.

01:56:00.000 And I think Pandora too.

01:56:01.000 Yeah, Pandora now.

01:56:02.000 Dane Shell says Ian nailed it.

01:56:05.000 Most of the rhetoric is based on feeling.

01:56:06.000 Feelings only run one layer deep.

01:56:08.000 If you go deeper, you run into logic.

01:56:10.000 That's right.

01:56:11.000 That's why our brain is, it's a human being, should have logic and reason.

01:56:16.000 And your stomach, there's a lot of neurons in your stomach.

01:56:19.000 The food you eat can really change your mood and the way you feel.

01:56:22.000 But we are human beings, so we have all of that.

01:56:22.000 Yeah.

01:56:24.000 You know, we do have emotions and feelings too, you know.

01:56:27.000 That's why we got to, you know, calmly talk to each other.

01:56:30.000 Respect each other.

01:56:32.000 FOMO says super chat just for having this amazing woman on.

01:56:32.000 Here's a good one.

01:56:35.000 If 20% of quote our side had half of this woman's enthusiasm, there'd be no struggle. 1.00

01:56:41.000 God bless you.

01:56:42.000 Thank you.

01:56:43.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:56:44.000 If people were animated, there wouldn't be a question.

01:56:49.000 All right.

01:56:50.000 You have awesome supporters.

01:56:54.000 So I can't read Chinese characters, so I can't read this.

01:57:00.000 A Chinese character? 0.85

01:57:01.000 Yeah, I can't read the Chinese characters.

01:57:04.000 From KaraFace, I see your super chat, but I can't read it.

01:57:06.000 I don't even know how to pronounce it.

01:57:07.000 It just looks like, you know, I don't know where to begin.

01:57:10.000 Sorry.

01:57:11.000 I have a YouTube Chinese channel, Mandarin.

01:57:14.000 What's the channel?

01:57:15.000 And it's actually called Huaren Chanyi, Voice of Chinese Americans.

01:57:22.000 So I'm trying to get the Chinese to be kind of paying attention what's going on in their new country and get involved locally because we have to focus on what's going on here now. 0.99

01:57:36.000 Otherwise, it's kind of dangerous.

01:57:38.000 We all have no home to go because, you know, if we lose America, no place to go.

01:57:44.000 This is a really great super chat.

01:57:45.000 Cletus Curtis says, I know it's a good guest when I'm fighting tears while holding my 300 blackout.

01:57:50.000 Is that a weapon?

01:57:52.000 It's a gun.

01:57:54.000 Oh my goodness.

01:57:55.000 Wow.

01:57:56.000 Inspirational.

01:57:57.000 It's truly American.

01:57:58.000 That's the visage of liberty.

01:58:01.000 I got, you know, I got a little emotional myself and I cannot help it.

01:58:04.000 People say, you're so passionate.

01:58:06.000 Your passion is contagious.

01:58:08.000 Well, because, you know, my memory coming back to me, I cannot help it to be passionate.

01:58:13.000 You know, well, I guess we need more pets in this country, right?

01:58:16.000 Yes.

01:58:17.000 Yeah.

01:58:18.000 Slensder says, best best guest yet.

01:58:20.000 Thanks for finding Dave Smith, his secretary of state.

01:58:23.000 Yeah.

01:58:24.000 Well, that's great.

01:58:25.000 That'll be on Dave.

01:58:26.000 And, you know, but absolutely.

01:58:29.000 Get some more libertarians in the house.

01:58:31.000 He's funny, you know?

01:58:32.000 Dave's great.

01:58:33.000 Oh, he's fantastic.

01:58:34.000 Yeah, we've met him a couple times.

01:58:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:36.000 Yeah.

01:58:37.000 I thought the Libertarian Party was a joke until I saw what he was doing and what he was talking about.

01:58:41.000 And he's him and the Mises caucus.

01:58:43.000 And, you know, I think there's a bunch of good people coming in and they're reinvigorating it or invigorating it in the first place, I guess.

01:58:49.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 Some of them.

01:58:51.000 Gary Johnson's cool, but I mean, like, he was really low energy, you know?

01:58:55.000 He was not too bad the first time running.

01:58:57.000 The second time, I don't know what happened.

01:58:59.000 It seemed like he got disillusioned and thought, well, I have no chance.

01:59:04.000 I can't stop the big machine.

01:59:07.000 I'm going to get 1%.

01:59:07.000 This is nuts.

01:59:08.000 So he just started acting like a clown. 0.97

01:59:10.000 He just started having fun. 0.86

01:59:13.000 That's what it seemed like.

01:59:14.000 All right.

01:59:14.000 This is a good one.

01:59:15.000 Blackrock Beacon says, I want this woman to go berate both Congress and Senate on behalf of free people everywhere. 1.00

01:59:21.000 She is my spirit animal.

01:59:22.000 Tim, keep bringing on people who have survived communism.

01:59:25.000 Thank you.

01:59:26.000 More need to hear these stories.

01:59:27.000 Absolutely.

01:59:28.000 Yes.

01:59:30.000 All right.

01:59:31.000 Let's see.

01:59:31.000 Thank you.

01:59:32.000 Wow.

01:59:32.000 Very encouraging.

01:59:34.000 Cameron Terry says, Hey Tim, big fan, but I'd like to ask for a little bit of elaboration.

01:59:39.000 When it comes to the private mandate of something like a vaccination, what happens to the concept of your, your rights and where mine begin?

01:59:45.000 Especially as variable and important as meds.

01:59:48.000 So, uh, I think there's gotta be medical exemptions.

01:59:50.000 I have to think that they, I think they have to be, um, leaning towards lax in that you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the, the employee, not the employer.

02:00:00.000 However, It's also based on the size of the business.

02:00:04.000 These are really complicated things.

02:00:05.000 I especially start learning about this as I'm like building a business.

02:00:09.000 A business size matters.

02:00:10.000 If a company has less than 50 employees, I really do side with the employer on this one in most capacities.

02:00:17.000 But I do think we need labor rights for a lot of, you know, you can't have...

02:00:21.000 Scams and stealing from paychecks and things like that.

02:00:24.000 Employees have to have rights.

02:00:25.000 In terms of like a vaccine or a job requirement, small businesses I think should have the discretion to run their businesses for the most part as they see fit.

02:00:32.000 I think serving a public accommodation is different.

02:00:35.000 I don't think there should be mandatory vaccines for customers.

02:00:39.000 Employees is different.

02:00:40.000 That employer does not owe you a job and you don't owe him work or anything like that.

02:00:44.000 That's a deal struck between you both.

02:00:47.000 Do you think that if a company were to create a mandatory vaccine for an employee that took the job before the mandatory vaccine was initiated that they should, and the person refuses, that the employee should have a payout package when they're released?

02:01:02.000 My personal belief is yes.

02:01:04.000 Yeah, I think that would be equitable.

02:01:05.000 But I'm saying personal as in, like, if I ran a business, that's what I would do.

02:01:07.000 Should the government mandate it?

02:01:08.000 Mmm, it's tough.

02:01:09.000 There's a lot of... These questions aren't black and white, and that's one of the biggest challenges, because people will say things like, oh, if you believe this, how do you believe this?

02:01:16.000 And I'm like, because they're two different scenarios and circumstances, and we're dealing with, like, a granular legal system to figure out the best way to navigate these things.

02:01:24.000 You know if someone the way I feel is like if you're using public space with public plumbing and public roads and access to public fire services and police and all that stuff then taxpayers should have access to this building because if you're occupying the space and refusing to service a certain type of person because of some like you know ideological belief or like you oppose a certain kind of identity group Well, that space could be occupied by somebody else.

02:01:48.000 I don't see us having to accommodate you if you're not going to accommodate the public in return.

02:01:54.000 Employees are different.

02:01:56.000 A business choosing to have an arrangement with an employee is like, there's ten employees of this business in a given month.

02:02:03.000 100,000 customers walking in at the door in a given month.

02:02:06.000 Scale matters.

02:02:07.000 But I don't think it's perfect.

02:02:08.000 I'm not saying that I, you know, I would say this.

02:02:11.000 To quote Chris Rock in the movie Dogma, I don't have beliefs necessarily, I have ideas.

02:02:16.000 Beliefs are hard to change. 1.00

02:02:18.000 Ideas you can change.

02:02:19.000 So clearly when Michael Malice came on the show and started saying a bunch of stuff, I was like, actually those are really good points.

02:02:23.000 And then I probably moved like a little bit more down the libertarian spectrum because of that.

02:02:27.000 Your alignment shifted.

02:02:28.000 Definitely because you hear smart people give you good arguments and then you, you know.

02:02:32.000 It's not just the medical exemption, religious exemption.

02:02:37.000 Also, people who already were infected have antibodies.

02:02:41.000 There are so many exemptions, but they just don't even talk about it.

02:02:45.000 You cannot even throw that out there.

02:02:47.000 People who already got COVID, tested positive, they're young, have antibodies.

02:02:52.000 And is it more dangerous actually for them to continue to take another vaccine on top of their, you know, old antibodies?

02:03:01.000 I don't know.

02:03:02.000 I'll say this.

02:03:03.000 People should talk to their doctors because someone I know actually talked to their doctor and the doctor said, if you've had COVID too recently, you can't get it.

02:03:09.000 So you need to talk to a doctor.

02:03:14.000 Yeah.

02:03:20.000 And I can already hear all the leftists laughing and saying, duh, the conservatives who are pro-life.

02:03:28.000 I'm not pro-life.

02:03:29.000 You know, there's a lot of people who are pro-life.

02:03:32.000 I've had a lot of moral arguments, but I've always been private medical decisions have to be between the doctor and the individual.

02:03:38.000 And when it comes to pro-life and pro-choice, That is a hefty moral conundrum that I don't have the answers to.

02:03:45.000 So I can only say, I can put it this way.

02:03:47.000 I am not one of these conservatives who have marched around for pro-life.

02:03:50.000 I have always been more libertarian in that regard.

02:03:53.000 So don't bring those leftist arguments here.

02:03:56.000 It bears no purchase.

02:03:57.000 Also, no vaccine passports.

02:04:00.000 This should be consistent throughout the world.

02:04:03.000 Now EU is doing that.

02:04:05.000 It's like, oh, so people cannot even travel to EU, spend money there as tourists anymore?

02:04:10.000 It's like, well, the thing is, if you make people carry this passport, what else are you going to make people to carry on their cell phone?

02:04:20.000 It's like a little code, you know?

02:04:22.000 Track everything.

02:04:23.000 All right, my friends, we are going to have a members-only segment coming up, and we're going to talk.

02:04:29.000 We'll probably get into some things, you know, YouTube doesn't allow, and this always makes those establishment media types angry that we can have these conversations over at TimCast.com.

02:04:37.000 So become a member.

02:04:39.000 It should be up around 11 p.m.

02:04:40.000 or so.

02:04:40.000 You can follow us at TimCast IRL.

02:04:42.000 You can follow me at TimCast.

02:04:44.000 Did you want to, Lily, shout out any social media or your organization or anything?

02:04:48.000 Yes, if you want to write to me and contact me, I have a public page.

02:04:52.000 Lily4Liberty. 0.59

02:04:53.000 L-I-L-Y, number 4, Liberty.

02:04:56.000 Lily4Liberty. 0.59

02:04:57.000 Sounds very good.

02:04:58.000 And my Twitter is also Lily4Liberty.

02:05:01.000 That's where, you know, I was found by Lydia.

02:05:05.000 And my YouTube channel is LilyTongueWilliams.

02:05:08.000 If you're not on Facebook, you can always follow my YouTube.

02:05:12.000 And subscribe and share because it's very educational, especially you have young people who really want to learn more.

02:05:20.000 Like some of my interviews, people will write to me.

02:05:23.000 Oh, Lily, after your interview, actually, I started to rethink about BLM.

02:05:27.000 I used to really support because they started to hear, oh, trend marks.

02:05:31.000 What does that mean?

02:05:32.000 They started to research.

02:05:34.000 So it's very encouraging.

02:05:35.000 So I will appreciate you go share my stories and follow me.

02:05:39.000 And and thank you, Tim, for having me tonight.

02:05:41.000 Absolutely.

02:05:42.000 Thanks for coming.

02:05:42.000 Thanks, Lily.

02:05:43.000 You can follow me at Ian Crossland and at iancrossland.net if you want a nexus point for most of my social media and activity.

02:05:49.000 Thanks for coming, guys.

02:05:51.000 And I just want to say that I hope that you guys will join over at our website to help us stick it in the eye of the mainstream media because they're not fans of ours and we're not fans of theirs.

02:06:00.000 You guys may also follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I document the training of my little cat Dip.

02:06:06.000 Today I trained him to sit.

02:06:08.000 He's a very good boy.

02:06:09.000 He's very treat responsive and he's adorable.

02:06:11.000 Join me there.

02:06:12.000 We'll see you all over at TimCast.com.

02:06:15.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - August 02, 2021

Timcast IRL - Survivor Of Mao's Cultural Revolution Says Its Happening Here w-Lily Tang Williams

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