In this episode, we re joined by a survivor of Mao's Cultural Revolution who says that there is a cultural revolution happening in the U.S. and it s called Critical Race Theory. We re also joined by Ian and Lilitong Williams.
00:00:24.000The debt ceiling has not been raised, and the US is now essentially liquidating assets to pay its debts.
00:00:29.000Which is scary, but hopefully they'll raise the debt ceiling, because it seems kind of dumb not to anyway.
00:00:33.000They just do it and keep taking in more and more debt.
00:00:35.000But at the same time, the eviction moratorium has ended.
00:00:38.000It seems like things are kind of breaking and falling apart because now we're hearing there's got to be more more restrictions, more masks.
00:00:44.000All of this weird authoritarian stuff is happening.
00:00:47.000Meanwhile, in Chicago, they're saying, hey, everybody, you got to wear masks.
00:00:49.000We got to get this thing under control.
00:00:51.000And then they have Lollapalooza with thousands of people not wearing masks all partying.
00:00:55.000They say the vaccine is here, it's got excellent efficacy, and yet still they're saying we need to lock everything down.
00:01:02.000It just seems like creeping authoritarianism on top of all that.
00:01:05.000Critical race theory and critical race applied principles.
00:01:09.000The wokeness seeping into our government, into our culture, into our politics.
00:01:13.000It's... I guess you put these things together and it sounds like really bad things are happening, obviously.
00:01:18.000And our economy is in trouble, our government is in trouble, and our culture is in trouble.
00:01:22.000And now we're being joined by an actual survivor of Mao's Cultural Revolution who says that there is a cultural revolution happening here in the U.S.
00:04:07.000And I am also excited to be here and listen to your stories, because I think this is exceedingly important for this time in American history, unfortunately.
00:04:14.000And before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, and you'll get access to exclusive members-only segments from this show.
00:04:22.000Monday through Thursday, and you'll get an advertisement-free experience on all of our news articles, as well as just generally supporting the work we're doing as we're expanding.
00:04:29.000We just had a meeting about one of our other shows.
00:04:31.000We just had people fly out for another show we're doing.
00:04:56.000Don't forget to like this video, share the show with your friends if you really like the show.
00:05:00.000Today's going to be very conversational because this is a warning to everybody.
00:05:04.000You know, we've said on the show many times that critical race theory, critical race applied principles, leftist identitarianism, whatever the word is, we can see what's happening.
00:05:14.000And they use different ways to manipulate.
00:05:16.000They'll say, oh, it's not critical race theory.
00:05:51.000You said that what's happening here with critical race theory.
00:05:54.000And I think it's important to mention it's well beyond critical race theory.
00:05:58.000But these changes we're seeing from the left, this is a culture revolution in America.
00:06:04.000Well, as somebody who survived Mao's Cultural Revolution, it's very terrifying to see lots of similarities.
00:06:14.000The similarities that people who don't know about Mao's Cultural Revolution, he used Karl Marx theory, communist manifesto author, to separate people into primarily two big groups.
00:06:58.000They could just be like, you're a bad influencer.
00:06:59.000Anybody who is not in line with Mao's party, which is one party ruling China today, CCP, China's Communist Party, and anybody who disagrees with the party policies or trying
00:07:18.000to offer some suggestions to say we can improve China better, maybe by doing better economically,
00:07:26.000you all can be classified as the so-called black classes, five classes.
00:09:13.000Too bad we don't teach, emphasize the horrors of communism, especially under Mao.
00:09:21.000I went to Venezuela once and I went to a protest.
00:09:25.000The people who were protesting were described as wealthier, more upper middle class, more successful business owners.
00:09:30.000And I noticed something interesting that in a lot of places, you mentioned that people always buy this, this lie that we're going to take from the rich and give to the poor.
00:09:38.000They're saying we're going to give you stuff.
00:09:42.000And so for these people who are living, you know, it doesn't matter what class you are.
00:09:46.000Being told you're going to get free stuff, people are like, I'll take stuff.
00:09:49.000So what ends up happening is I see this with, you know, Occupy Wall Street, I see with other protests in other countries.
00:09:55.000In many ways, you'll see the poor people will protest when conditions are bad for the poor.
00:10:01.000And then when you get this inversion, like in Venezuela, where they take away the property from the middle class, it was actually middle class and upper class people protesting because they couldn't survive.
00:10:14.000It seems like in, you know, the rightists or whatever, they're of course going to oppose this effort to strip away the wealth and the resources they build and give it to other people.
00:10:26.000I don't see how it's noble or honorable to take from somebody who has made a bunch of things by force, within reason, mind you, To just give it away to everybody else arbitrarily, especially when there's no agreement, there's no social contract, and that's one of the biggest problems we have today, which is why so many libertarians say taxation is theft.
00:10:45.000I think there is a line, but I do find it to be particularly interesting.
00:10:49.000Long story short, it doesn't matter if it's communist China, it doesn't matter if it's Cuba, Venezuela, or even the United States.
00:10:54.000Now in the United States, they're saying the oppressors and the oppressed, and they're using race to get what they want.
00:11:07.000Right, you have your own new kind of oppressors groups, you know, oppressed groups.
00:11:13.000But see, to me though, it's not even about race or skin color.
00:11:19.000It's really about the cultural revolution, like Mao did, right?
00:11:26.000Because Mao will use a critical class theory to destroy Thousands of years of Chinese civilization, culture, and religion, arts, one third of cultural relics were destroyed.
00:11:41.000Taiwan, Hong Kong people preserve more of traditional Chinese culture, even beautiful, you know, like Chinese dresses.
00:11:50.000We're banned to wear during mall time.
00:12:30.000And the idea conveyed in the book is that Marx didn't understand the racial dynamics that happened in the United States about who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed.
00:12:39.000And he seems to think, you know, his ideas of class only work in these old world, you know, ethnically homogenous places.
00:12:45.000So they needed to create a new framework that was race-based for the U.S.
00:12:51.000And this was back, I think it was like the late 70s, early 80s.
00:12:53.000And now it's come straight to the forefront, you know, some 30, 40 years later.
00:14:06.000But imagine now all these grade school kids who are being indoctrinated.
00:14:08.000Imagine when they're in school, and then there's some charismatic, cultural Marxist leader who comes around.
00:14:15.000He's a little bit older, and he rallies all of these kids now who are in their 20s.
00:14:18.000That could come here, and we will face a cultural revolution in, what, a decade?
00:14:21.000Well, that's one of the similarities I see, is to indoctrinate our youth, make them religiously following so-called social justice movement, right?
00:14:35.000And follow all this critical race, whatever new name they might give it.
00:14:40.000So basically, it is about Equity, they just use a race card, use gender issues.
00:14:48.000You have to use identity politics to separate your citizens.
00:14:53.000It's a typical Maoist Marxist way to divide and conquer.
00:16:36.000When the statues were being torn down.
00:16:38.000These are the stories we read about in these books.
00:16:42.000These were the movies we watched, where you see the image of the people throwing the ropes and toppling the statues.
00:16:48.000We knew that this was a component of what was going on, and then we watched it happen for a year, and so many people in this country didn't care.
00:16:57.000People would say, well, you know, Christopher Columbus was a racist or whatever, and I'm like, the point is, Whether you agree or disagree, violent groups tearing down statues without public conversations, without any democratic values, these are authoritarians who are imposing their will on everyone else, and no one asked for this.
00:17:17.000If you allow these people to keep doing whatever they want, And that's what's happened.
00:17:21.000Eventually, they just take absolute authority.
00:17:24.000And then what they will do is substantially worse than what they're doing now.
00:22:16.000I just said, hmm, what's going to happen to me now?
00:22:19.000My generation, my parents' generation, and Red Guard generation went to concentration camp for 10 years to worship him, serve him, and then later lost 10 years' life without degree, without wife, without anything!
00:23:16.000So I decided I'm going to search for truth by going to the best university, which was all schools shutting down during the Cultural Revolution.
00:23:25.000And I could go back to school and study for a few years before I could go to college, pass this national college exam.
00:28:27.000So I had to just, when the lady goes to pour the tea, go to the bathroom, I will sneak upstairs.
00:28:32.000And I will run downstairs very quietly.
00:28:35.000And he told me more about constitution, separation of powers, and the right to vote, Bill of Rights, most important, Second Amendment right!
00:30:21.000I witnessed people who have better positions inside the state factories, got better food rationing coupons, and I had to babysit because everything they said was supposed to be free.
00:30:32.000They were never free except our community courtyard.
00:30:35.000But a family share one bathroom, one water faucet.
00:33:45.000So before we get into what it was like when you first, you know, are getting out of China, I wanted to ask you experiencing, you said neighbors disappeared.
00:34:18.000I lived in that courtyard until we were about 16 to move to another better place.
00:34:25.000But this eight-family shared courtyard, I was always curious when the people were talking about something, like comments on society, the government.
00:38:49.000But after it becomes, and especially that Tiananmen Square massacre happened, When you say citizens and the students, peaceful protesters were slaughtered, and I start to really appreciate the Second Amendment.
00:39:08.000You could have begged the tankers, soldiers, to stop.
00:39:12.000Please don't kill our students, they are our brightest, best, like the Beijing citizens did.
00:39:18.000So Deng Xiaoping had to get his troops from outside of Beijing, because Beijing soldiers could not do it.
00:42:05.000You know, in the United States, and then working for companies where I've traveled all over the world, I've seen how amazing America is.
00:42:12.000Because you take it for granted not being here.
00:42:14.000Or you take it for granted being here, I mean.
00:42:16.000When I started traveling around covering conflict and crisis in other countries and then seeing what the rules and the laws were, I was in Thailand, for instance.
00:42:23.000You couldn't even paraphrase disparagement of the royal family.
00:42:29.000Even as a journalist, to say, let's say, you know, Ian disparaged the crown, I could not as a reporter say, Ian Crosland made a comment disparaging the crown.
00:43:02.000I can say screw off to the president all day and night and laugh and I can say it into the face of these federal
00:43:08.000These federal agents these officers and they'd look at me like a weirdo and I'd be like, hey, I'm just saying it's I
00:43:12.000love America I didn't say that obviously I'm saying like you can you and
00:43:16.000and it's it's crazy now with what we're seeing with all this critical race theory
00:43:20.000stuff Now I understand when I hear these stories about Cuba, Venezuela, China, the Soviet Union, that if these things do keep happening here in the United States and they do get as crazy as, they get crazier than they are, then I would understand, you know, why someone would flee their country and that's scary to me because America is...
00:44:29.000And, you know, all kinds of languages to say, you know, while people even don't know what we're saying, we just hold the signs and say this one short sentence until the last guy, and he's black, and he holds the signs beautifully, like all men are created equal.
00:44:48.000Then we play the song that Charles called the American Beautiful.
00:44:52.000It was a very positive unifying moment.
00:44:56.000All those immigrants come from all over the world think America is exceptional country.
00:45:02.000The only country you can come to achieve American dream.
00:45:09.000I get emotional when I think about that.
00:46:06.000And it really wasn't until I started traveling the world and seeing what other countries are like that I started to realize, man, we really do have something special here.
00:46:15.000I think America has its share of bad history.
00:47:35.000I walk away from a country, my family friends, and in a foreign land, and American people open their arms to welcome me, to offer me their homes, free items, kitchenware, blankets, clothing, because I was a poor graduate student.
00:47:52.000And I lived in Austin, Texas, a traditionally very white neighborhood.
00:47:59.000Let's start from the beginning, because we left off, you know, you had just, you had left China, so, tell me what it was like, you're finally leaving China, coming to America, you knew, and no one else did, you had been planning this for years, convincing everyone around you, that you loved the party, that you were working for the party, and that with your new degree from America, you could come serve the Chinese Communist Party, but really, in the back of your mind, once you got on that plane, you were gonna go, cross that border in America, you were gonna stay in America.
00:49:03.000I told you about household registration, where you're supposed to stay, where you're registered as a family, which is Chengdu.
00:49:10.000Then your personnel file, who travel with you, secret file that the Chinese Communist Party officials and your employers share with each other.
00:49:19.000You are not allowed to say what's inside.
00:49:21.000Your family, parents were never allowed to say what's inside.
00:49:24.000My personnel file was in Shanghai with me when I was working in Shanghai.
00:49:27.000If I don't go back, they're going to set my file.
00:49:30.000Back to Chengdu, Sichuan Western Province, next to Tibet.
00:49:34.000So I will lose opportunity to have a better career, better living standard, better pay in Shanghai, get my law school job back.
00:51:00.000So I showed up at the door, lock on the door, and here's this very earthly mother, like dean, professor, say, welcome to Texas with a garden rose, a red rose from her garden.
00:51:13.000And then she turn around to say, meet my oldest son, John.
00:51:19.000And then another son, you know, other kids behind John.
00:51:23.000So I met my future husband the first night I arrived in Austin, Texas.
00:51:28.000And I thought I just came over from one point some two billion Chinese and he looked really dark blue eyes and big nose.
00:51:36.000I saw he look alien like and but he was very nice to me.
00:51:42.000And he said, would you like to visit campus next day?
00:51:45.000And very slowly, my English was not good.
00:53:39.000I had to convince my family to say he's really nice guy here's a mom dad brother sister on traditional Texas nice family what they do their pictures and here's John's picture and me I say just pretend that he's like a very excellent Chinese young man except he has blue guys and big nose you know they'll say okay Let's give her a blessing so that she can come home with a guaranteed return ticket.
00:54:07.000So I married myself out in a church and my sponsor was my acting father to give me away.
00:54:16.000And I had a godmother in Texas, and she acted like my mother.
00:57:48.000People, I don't know what they do with their cell phones when they talk about sensitive stuff, because everything can be tracked by your cell phone.
00:57:57.000See, Chinese government even banning cash now.
00:58:00.000Every financial transaction is with your cell phone.
00:58:04.000When you go get your cell phone, brand new cell phone, the cell phone company, Which is semi-governmental.
01:00:35.000Maybe, hopefully, they will watch this one, too.
01:00:37.000And they will tell me, Lily, please, tell Americans, don't let America to become like China, because we have hope in China if America is free.
01:00:49.000And you tell them, you tell them, don't become like us.
01:00:53.000You speak for us voiceless people in China.
01:00:56.000Every time when I get a message like that, I'm just like so moved, touched.
01:01:00.000It gave me more courage to continue to speak up.
01:02:43.000But my first eight years, not profitable.
01:02:46.000But that gave me time to study English, to get involved.
01:02:51.000I said, well, since I'm American citizen now, I better learn how this democracy works.
01:02:56.000So I start to read, I start to go to HOA meetings, I become like a board member of HOA, charter school board member, later chairwoman, fire a principal on my watch.
01:03:08.000And still, I wasn't threatened until I go to state capital to become student intern for free to learn how state capital, state government is running.
01:03:19.000And I saw all the people there asking for taxpayer's money, all special interest.
01:03:26.000So I told my husband, I was kind of depressed today.
01:05:36.000So I become more libertarian, say, oh, we need to have a bigger individual, smaller government.
01:05:41.000So I start to get more active in politics.
01:05:44.000My first time testified ever, it was Colorado State House.
01:05:49.000They trying to ban our magazines, limited magazines, for AR-15s.
01:05:54.000So I went there testify 2013, even wrote my first opinion piece published to say, we don't want this here, otherwise, look, The Tiananmen Square Massacre, maybe people will fight instead of get killed, run over by government.
01:06:10.000We cannot compromise on the Second Amendment.
01:09:21.000Uh, that's why I like hearing it from your perspective because it's not just like, it's like I'm able to figure it out on my own through your vision.
01:10:23.000And so the idea, I suppose, is that what ended up happening was Americans realized that it's faster and easier if you just trample over people's rights, and the Chinese Communist Party certainly figured it out.
01:11:08.000But if you made the movie up in China, it would be three minutes long where the guy says, you can't have my house.
01:11:13.000And they say, you never owned the house in the first place.
01:11:14.000And then they just steamroll it and then build a building.
01:11:17.000Well, during the uprising process of China, so-called modernization building, you know, skyscrapers, high-rise housing, they actually mislocated lots of people. And you talk about admin domain
01:11:33.000is bad in America, talk about China, you know, they... I have a friend in New York City now, she
01:12:33.000So the local government like mafia, they bulldoze her factory.
01:12:38.000And she had to flee to come to this country in order to try to get her story told.
01:12:43.000She even trying to handle her paper to the, and she, when she was visiting here.
01:12:48.000So, When people talk about, oh, it's so efficient for the Chinese government to build this, build that, they're also very inefficient to put 1 million people in concentration camps in Xinjiang today, and harvesting people's organs, and arresting disappeared human rights lawyers.
01:13:09.000And the citizen journalists who don't have a license to practice to report?
01:13:37.000You know what I've been saying is to the people who've read the books like 1984, did you think that the totalitarian regime wouldn't have an excuse?
01:13:58.000Did people believe when they read 1984 that the party that seized control one day just got up and said, we are taking control and everyone said, OK, I guess?
01:15:12.000Like today, our tyrants, governors, mayors, and all the public health bureaucrats, politicians, we get told, stay home, no travel, don't say goodbye to your loved ones, and shut your business for public good.
01:17:26.000She was criticized for engaging in capitalism and being a socialist.
01:17:29.000And then she said that that's not capitalism.
01:17:31.000Capitalism is when wealthy people exploit the working class and just some very ideological and biased view of what capitalism actually means.
01:17:41.000Capitalism actually is a really simple definition.
01:17:44.000The private markets, private enterprise, the private exchange of goods and the private trade.
01:17:50.000And socialism is the public control of the means of production.
01:17:54.000So a capitalist system—and there's in-betweens.
01:18:01.000Yes, we don't have total, actually pure capitalism at all.
01:18:05.000That's why people cannot understand when they support Bernie Sanders and demonize capitalism, they think what we have is corporatism, is capitalism.
01:19:45.000If we're in the middle of the woods, and a grizzly bear, or how about a black bear that's charging at us, well, the taller, faster person's not going to get eaten.
01:19:54.000The world doesn't... We can complain that it's wrong, that it sucks, that the world is this way.
01:21:03.000But the thing is, when you look at the system, when you look at actually what happened when you went to that kind of system, Only 1% ruling all equally poor people.
01:21:15.000You don't get what you wanted, you desired for.
01:21:18.000And you will be enslaved because everybody rely on government instead of yourself, responsibility, families, churches, communities.
01:27:33.000If we don't educate our citizens and to be united to realize danger, horror, we're gonna go down that way.
01:27:42.000So that's why I'm calling for people to listen to immigrants like us, who live through it, and we don't buy this whatever left you're trying to sell us.
01:28:22.000Do you think there's anything that could have been done when Mao had been coming to power in the 50s that could have changed and made it so it didn't happen?
01:30:01.000Constitution and the citizens constitutional rights against the domestic enemy foreign All domestic, and now you got to go through this so-called loyalty test, almost like.
01:30:21.000So the anti-racist people today, I think they're practice racism.
01:30:25.000It's all about your skin color, it's all about your race, but nothing about other stuff, like individual character, your mind, diversity of ideas, no?
01:31:18.000Well, it tells you all you need to know about anti-fascists.
01:31:21.000Their idea is that they're going to implement authoritarian tactics of violence against anyone who opposes them because, well, they have to.
01:31:29.000To defeat fascism, because fascism is also violent.
01:31:33.000But that also means they have to attack innocent people, too, just in case.
01:31:39.000We've seen the photos from Germany, where every storefront is smashed up except the one.
01:31:44.000The one that had the red salute in the window.
01:31:47.000The fist of the Communist Party of China, the symbol of Marxism, that was in the window and that was the one storefront that wasn't destroyed.
01:31:54.000People tell me all the time, really, it's not just America now, but America is our last hope.
01:32:00.000They all feel they lost Europe, they lost Australia.
01:32:03.000I'm hoping Australian people are waking up and, you know, that there are lots of things happening all over the world.
01:32:09.000It's like there is this huge communism wave because this virus alone can shut down all the freedom-loving people's rights and liberties.
01:32:25.000Follow the people who benefit to gain power and to gain money, including our own government, our own billionaires' corporations, and, of course, Chinese government, Silk Road Initiative.
01:32:38.000They are using lots of money to buy up foreign companies, corrupt the government.
01:32:43.000Some people think, oh, they're so smart to build the Silk Road Initiative.
01:32:47.000They are smart, of course, and they want Your country's support to expand globally.
01:32:56.000They want to become number one by 2049.
01:32:58.000Xi Jinping said his China dream, China will be number one, dominating power of the world.
01:33:05.000Because of the lockdown, they think that'll happen in 2028 now, that China will take over the US economy as the largest economy on the planet.
01:33:13.000Well, let's go to Super Chats and see what everybody's thinking.
01:33:16.000If you haven't already, hit that like button, subscribe to the channel, go to TimCast.com.
01:33:20.000We will have a members-only segment coming up after this show at TimCast.com about 11 p.m., but let's read these Super Chats.
01:33:28.000Rocket Rex says, you were right about who owns the culture.
01:33:31.000I went to Barnes & Noble for the first time in years.
01:33:40.000And I think, you know, for a lot of us, one of the things I'd like to mention to you, Lily, is to consider Over the last year, with all the lockdowns, everyone's forced to stay inside.
01:33:51.000People were only communicating through social media.
01:33:53.000But social media, the opinions you're allowed to have, are regulated by small companies, and by the people who run those companies, like Zuckerberg and Dorsey.
01:34:02.000That meant that conversations that would normally happen at a bar wouldn't.
01:34:06.000Somebody who might say something that they truly believe about the news, but that opinion is banned, say the story about Hunter Biden, you're locked down, you can't talk about it.
01:34:15.000You post it on the internet, you get banned.
01:34:16.000You say learn to code, you get banned.
01:34:18.000Conversations and ideas were purged by the big tech companies because no one had any other way to communicate.
01:35:24.000If you're not a major party, your candidates cannot get on the ballot.
01:35:29.000There's very strong restrictions based on your state.
01:35:34.000Some states are easier, some states are very hard.
01:35:37.000Ever since Ross Perot ran as a third party, independent, got into presidential debate, have you seen any other ones got into presidential debate?
01:35:56.000But they're saying so, you know, in New Hampshire and Republican Party that I joined, there are lots of good people are fighting a good fight.
01:36:05.000And Colorado, they have lots of work to do.
01:36:23.000If libertarians want to educate people to be effective, Then we need to do something better and more, something different.
01:36:31.000Because if the country is becoming today, from the immigrant eyes, we're going down this path so fast, all the freedom loving Americans somehow have failed.
01:36:43.000What have you been doing in the past 40 years?
01:36:45.000You let the radical left control the educational system and indoctrinate our children, our college students, all our Marxists, hate their family, hate their country.
01:37:08.000I have offered people I've had these debates on Facebook where people are like, oh, America this, America that, and I'm like, I mean this genuinely.
01:37:15.000I would love to do a mini-documentary with you.
01:37:42.000They are still living with mom and dad, too.
01:37:44.000So some of these countries I've been to, and so I get in a discussion with someone talking about, you know, one country or another, and they say they know what it's like, they know what it is, or it's better, and here's why it's better, or it's worse, and here's why it's worse, and I'm like, I'll pay for your ticket.
01:37:55.000I'll go with you, we'll film it, and we'll let you guide us, and you'll interview whoever you want to interview.
01:38:55.000I feel weird saying I'm a libertarian because I feel like I'm then becoming part of this authoritarian process that's saying this is a thing.
01:39:08.000So I just want to say for tomorrow, I certainly, I think one of the problems of the left is they only learn about this show through memes and out of context clips.
01:39:17.000And I think, you know, the last time we had Vosh on the show, there were a bunch of leftists actually saying, oh, it wasn't that bad.
01:40:45.000Chinese Chinese China come to talk to us about her stories and everybody's
01:40:50.000welcome so sometimes I will get a student especially the students who are
01:40:53.000in the middle and I mean I would love some people to come to challenge me ask
01:40:58.000me questions or even protest me right but it haven't happened yet normally
01:41:02.000they just listen to my story their eyes were really big They will focus on my pictures and my facial expressions.
01:41:09.000So I think that if people just can be calm and listen to each other, respect each other's differences, this country actually can get lots of done.
01:41:20.000I hate you if you just have a different point of view.
01:41:23.000I'll tell you, even people that are racist, I don't want to stop them from being racist.
01:41:28.000That's their worldview, and that is acceptable in the United States.
01:41:32.000I would like to debate it, but I'm not going to tell you you can't have that thought or that it's bad or wrong.
01:41:36.000It's the art of free speech anyway, right?
01:41:48.000Yes, by understanding their point of view, you have to sympathize and empathize.
01:41:52.000I have had conversations with some racists, and rather recently, and it's just, no logic.
01:41:59.000You're right, that's why it's hard to change that, because it's fearful, it's terrifying, and it's scary to think, like, even if I understand them, I might start to think like that.
01:42:08.000I don't want, but, no, that's not how it works.
01:42:10.000No, no, I'll tell you what happened, is I had a conversation, and I was thinking to myself, like, this guy's basically telling me two plus two equals five.
01:42:17.000Like some of these conversations, I'm just like, wow, they really haven't read this.
01:42:51.000see. Georgiev says, hello Tim, get Vosh and one of the Chinese guests you had on last
01:42:57.000month's to get together on the show. I want to see how Vosh will defend his views then.
01:43:02.000You know, I respect Vosh for coming on the show now for the second time. And there's
01:43:06.000a bunch of, there's a few other people who have like first tried to play games to get
01:43:10.000on the show and then didn't come on the show. But now when I come back on the show, I said,
01:43:14.000A lot of people say disparaging things about him.
01:43:16.000By all means, I'm here to talk politics, not personal beef.
01:43:18.000and then other people said he was dumb and I was like, hey man, at least we're like having
01:43:20.000the conversation. I'm not, I don't hate the guy. A lot of people say disparaging things about him,
01:43:24.000like by all means, I'm here to talk politics, not personal beef. And then when we were trying
01:43:29.000to put together another show, I tweeted at Vosh something, he tweeted something about
01:43:34.000critical race theory and I said, why don't we have you back on the show then?
01:43:37.000Because he said, conservatives don't know what critical race theory is.
01:43:39.000So we're going to have Charlie Kirk and Vosh on with a big part of the discussion will be critical race theory, but we'll talk about everything.
01:44:21.000I'm not scared to have... The only people... There's two kinds of people that I wouldn't want to have on the show.
01:44:27.000Spammers people who have no nothing to say like obviously you wouldn't invite him anyway and people who are just grifting like they're Obvious behaviors where their intent is to drum up drama and cause problems and just want to you know I find if you have a really good idea It's a you can listen to other people for hours and let them talk because your idea is so good You don't need to yell it.
01:44:49.000Wait, let me get let me finish this and then you can and then you can say it and As opposed to someone that maybe doesn't really believe what they're saying, so they repeat it over and over, louder and louder.
01:44:58.000Because when you repeat a lie enough times, it does have an impact.
01:45:02.000I'll tell you one of the challenges that will definitely be for tomorrow is gish galloping.
01:46:54.000I worked for Vice and in order to travel to other countries to report, you needed to get vaccinated.
01:46:59.000The security company wouldn't work with us if I wasn't because they didn't want to deal with someone who had yellow fever.
01:47:04.000If you don't like what a private business is doing in that regard, then don't work for the company.
01:47:09.000If the government mandates businesses do it, now that's a problem.
01:47:13.000If a pizza shop says we don't want to work with people who don't have, you know, vaccines or whatever, I'm like, well then, the pizza guy doesn't owe you anything.
01:47:56.000I think it's a problem when a monopolistic business starts doing things.
01:47:58.000I was just thinking that, because then you need to use the government to enforce a negative right, which is you can't force people to fill in the blanks.
01:48:04.000But I'm talking about like, you know, John's Pizzeria.
01:48:06.000It's got like 10 employees, and he's like, here's what I want.
01:48:08.000I'm like, John doesn't know you or anything.
01:48:10.000All right, Elizabeth Carmela says, wow, I am enlightened.
01:48:14.000My father, retired Navy SEAL, used to talk to me about Mao when I was a teenager.
01:51:56.000So every time when you become internet troll, go to say something in favor of the, you know, the Communist Party and attacking, you know, whoever like me, for example, on my page, they get paid 50 cents.
01:52:18.000I once did a video about conflict with China and what China was doing and the U.S.
01:52:21.000potentially going to war, and a bunch of Western-seeming Chinese YouTubers, well, they were pro-China YouTubers, telling me I was wrong and making rebuttal videos and coming after me.
01:52:38.000We have to be careful how deeply the CCP infiltrated into America.
01:52:44.000Like my human rights and liberty activist in this country from China, somebody who actually was jailed in China before, they're trying to hurt him here.
01:52:54.000They burn his car, burn his park like statues.
01:52:59.000The way I see it is, you know, we're all, we're running towards this end goal.
01:53:03.000And you've got people trying to distract you all the time.
01:53:05.000They're throwing things at you from the sidelines.
01:53:07.000I'm not going to stop and get into an argument with the guy who's next to the marathon.
01:57:15.000And it's actually called Huaren Chanyi, Voice of Chinese Americans.
01:57:22.000So I'm trying to get the Chinese to be kind of paying attention what's going on in their new country and get involved locally because we have to focus on what's going on here now.
01:58:43.000And, you know, I think there's a bunch of good people coming in and they're reinvigorating it or invigorating it in the first place, I guess.
01:59:34.000Cameron Terry says, Hey Tim, big fan, but I'd like to ask for a little bit of elaboration.
01:59:39.000When it comes to the private mandate of something like a vaccination, what happens to the concept of your, your rights and where mine begin?
01:59:45.000Especially as variable and important as meds.
01:59:48.000So, uh, I think there's gotta be medical exemptions.
01:59:50.000I have to think that they, I think they have to be, um, leaning towards lax in that you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the, the employee, not the employer.
02:00:00.000However, It's also based on the size of the business.
02:00:25.000In terms of like a vaccine or a job requirement, small businesses I think should have the discretion to run their businesses for the most part as they see fit.
02:00:32.000I think serving a public accommodation is different.
02:00:35.000I don't think there should be mandatory vaccines for customers.
02:00:40.000That employer does not owe you a job and you don't owe him work or anything like that.
02:00:44.000That's a deal struck between you both.
02:00:47.000Do you think that if a company were to create a mandatory vaccine for an employee that took the job before the mandatory vaccine was initiated that they should, and the person refuses, that the employee should have a payout package when they're released?
02:01:09.000There's a lot of... These questions aren't black and white, and that's one of the biggest challenges, because people will say things like, oh, if you believe this, how do you believe this?
02:01:16.000And I'm like, because they're two different scenarios and circumstances, and we're dealing with, like, a granular legal system to figure out the best way to navigate these things.
02:01:24.000You know if someone the way I feel is like if you're using public space with public plumbing and public roads and access to public fire services and police and all that stuff then taxpayers should have access to this building because if you're occupying the space and refusing to service a certain type of person because of some like you know ideological belief or like you oppose a certain kind of identity group Well, that space could be occupied by somebody else.
02:01:48.000I don't see us having to accommodate you if you're not going to accommodate the public in return.
02:03:03.000People should talk to their doctors because someone I know actually talked to their doctor and the doctor said, if you've had COVID too recently, you can't get it.
02:04:05.000It's like, oh, so people cannot even travel to EU, spend money there as tourists anymore?
02:04:10.000It's like, well, the thing is, if you make people carry this passport, what else are you going to make people to carry on their cell phone?
02:04:23.000All right, my friends, we are going to have a members-only segment coming up, and we're going to talk.
02:04:29.000We'll probably get into some things, you know, YouTube doesn't allow, and this always makes those establishment media types angry that we can have these conversations over at TimCast.com.
02:05:51.000And I just want to say that I hope that you guys will join over at our website to help us stick it in the eye of the mainstream media because they're not fans of ours and we're not fans of theirs.
02:06:00.000You guys may also follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I document the training of my little cat Dip.