Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Trump Arrives In NYC To SURRENDER, Second Indictment COMING w-Charlie Kirk

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:16.000 you Donald Trump has arrived in New York City preparing to

00:00:36.000 surrender for his arraignment

00:00:40.000 And, you know, we got to—Charlie Kirk is hanging out, and we were talking earlier, so I think Charlie might disagree, but I was saying this earlier on my morning show, that if you want to explain to people just how close we are to societal collapse or the precipice, just tell them, ask them, what happens if Donald Trump doesn't surrender?

00:01:00.000 Thirty-four counts.

00:01:01.000 What happens if Donald Trump just says no?

00:01:03.000 Okay, well we know he's going to New York, we know he's going to do it.

00:01:05.000 Okay, here's the other scenario.

00:01:07.000 What happens if a judge says, we remand Donald Trump to the custody of the New York criminal court system?

00:01:12.000 Meaning, he's going to jail and they're not going to let him out until the case is resolved.

00:01:17.000 What do you think happens to this country?

00:01:18.000 The frontrunner for the Republican Party, a former president for the first time in history.

00:01:23.000 That's the precipice because I could not imagine a peaceful resolution if either of those things occurs.

00:01:29.000 And that's what we're dealing with right now.

00:01:31.000 And it's not just the indictment in New York.

00:01:33.000 We now have news that the Secret Service is scheduled to testify against Donald Trump in Washington, D.C.

00:01:40.000 This is pertaining to classified documents.

00:01:42.000 They're not going to stop.

00:01:44.000 That's how close we are.

00:01:45.000 Confidence is about to break down.

00:01:46.000 So we're going to talk about a lot of that.

00:01:49.000 Plus, we do have some silly social issues, I guess, because Elon Musk changed the Twitter logo to Doge, and then Doge spiked like 40% or whatever.

00:01:57.000 In one day.

00:01:59.000 I tried to call, as soon as I saw it, I said, how much is Doge up? 0.91

00:02:02.000 30%?

00:02:02.000 In one day.

00:02:03.000 It's better than oil today.

00:02:04.000 I think oil was up 7% today.

00:02:05.000 What did it close at?

00:02:07.000 Yeah, so before we get into all that, head over to TimCast.com, click the Join Us button to become a member if you want to support our work directly, and as a member, if you join at the $10 level, after six months, you will get access to the VIP chat in our Discord server, which allows you to call into the Uncensored After Show and ask questions.

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00:03:02.000 And as I already mentioned, you already heard, Charlie Kirk is hanging out tonight.

00:03:05.000 Hello, and Libby Emmons is here. 0.90

00:03:07.000 Cheers.

00:03:08.000 Don't forget Libby. 0.92

00:03:09.000 But we're, you know, we'll go in order.

00:03:10.000 You want to introduce yourself?

00:03:11.000 Hi everybody, I'm Charlie Kirk.

00:03:12.000 I host a radio show and podcast and run Turning Point USA.

00:03:15.000 I'm a big, big fan of what Tim's doing here.

00:03:17.000 Appreciate it, man.

00:03:18.000 And Libby Emmons, of course.

00:03:21.000 I'm the editor-in-chief at the Postmillennial and Human Events.

00:03:23.000 Glad to be here with you, Charlie.

00:03:24.000 Oh my gosh.

00:03:25.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

00:03:25.000 Charlie, good to see you, man.

00:03:27.000 I'm a big Ian.

00:03:27.000 I love you, dude.

00:03:28.000 That's why I came.

00:03:29.000 We haven't seen you since AM Fest.

00:03:31.000 Wasn't that great?

00:03:31.000 That was so fun.

00:03:32.000 We had Steve Bannon.

00:03:34.000 Steve Bannon swore more than any person in the history of Tim Cass in a short period of time.

00:03:39.000 Thanks for having us.

00:03:40.000 That was so awesome.

00:03:41.000 It was really sweet.

00:03:41.000 I just want to point out that Charlie's wearing a button-up shirt collared with a tie, Libby's wearing a button-up shirt slightly more relaxed, I'm wearing a button-up shirt completely unbuttoned, and Ian is wearing a- I guess a lavender- what is that?

00:03:55.000 Velvet?

00:03:56.000 Purple velvet?

00:03:57.000 Everyone dressed as you would expect.

00:03:59.000 Maybe we'll talk about religion today, man.

00:04:01.000 I want to.

00:04:02.000 It's holy week.

00:04:04.000 What is it?

00:04:04.000 What holy?

00:04:05.000 The passion.

00:04:06.000 Let's get into it.

00:04:08.000 That would be the tease.

00:04:09.000 We'll do that later.

00:04:10.000 Because we got to talk about Trump getting arrested and all that.

00:04:12.000 We got Serge pressing buttons.

00:04:13.000 Yo, let's just roll. 0.98

00:04:15.000 All right, here we go.

00:04:16.000 Here's a story from the AP.

00:04:18.000 Trump returns to New York to face historic criminal charges.

00:04:22.000 So, as I stated in the opening of the show, if Donald Trump made the decision not to surrender, I think this country would get ripped apart.

00:04:29.000 New York would be complaining he's criminally wanted.

00:04:33.000 We want Florida to return him.

00:04:34.000 As with any criminal, Florida, Ron DeSantis would be like, I'm not getting involved in this.

00:04:38.000 I'm not going to do it.

00:04:39.000 The feds probably wouldn't move in, but Donald Trump, I believe, cares about this country.

00:04:44.000 And so, I think he realizes what would happen if he does defy this indictment.

00:04:51.000 I also think he sees a tremendous benefit as his polling has skyrocketed, his fundraising has skyrocketed, so he's saying, you know what?

00:04:57.000 I'll give you exactly what you want and you will regret it.

00:04:59.000 So, the latest story is, President Trump returned to New York from his Florida estate Monday to face historic booking and arraignment on hush money charges.

00:05:06.000 They say that, but it's 34 counts, so it could be more.

00:05:09.000 They say already months into a third campaign to reclaim the White House, Trump and his advisers seem to relish the attention.

00:05:16.000 Cable networks followed his plane at airports in Florida and New York with video from there.

00:05:21.000 I mean, I view this as a complete backlash, a complete backfiring for Democrats.

00:05:25.000 He raised $5 million, $4 million in a day, $5 million over two days.

00:05:30.000 His polling is up 30 points, 33 points.

00:05:34.000 Ron DeSantis has completely collapsed against him in the GOP primary.

00:05:37.000 Trump could not have asked for something better to help his campaign.

00:05:42.000 Except the fact he might go to jail.

00:05:43.000 Besides that, it's great.

00:05:44.000 Well, here's a question I have for you.

00:05:46.000 Do you think Democrat jurors in New York will acquit Donald Trump?

00:05:52.000 No.

00:05:52.000 So he's going to jail?

00:05:53.000 Well, no, not necessarily.

00:05:54.000 I mean, first of all, there's a lot of Legal uncertainty here.

00:05:58.000 It could be a judge could say this is a misdemeanor, not a felony.

00:06:01.000 It is a New York judge, so that might not happen.

00:06:05.000 There could be a long process of jury selection.

00:06:07.000 34 counts can get reduced down to five or six.

00:06:11.000 There's also sentencing.

00:06:12.000 Right?

00:06:13.000 So, I mean, God forbid Donald Trump actually gets convicted, but if that ends up happening, you have someone who's never been convicted of a crime before, so you could plea in front of the judge, like, hey, this is a—should be a misdemeanor that you call a felony.

00:06:24.000 The president in New York is saying that if you lob Molotov cocktails at police cars, you don't get serious jail time.

00:06:30.000 We give $21,000 to BLM rioters, my client should get community service, which I think would be hilarious to have Donald Trump do community service, but as kind of— of 0.95

00:06:40.000 Everyone would love him on the mic.

00:06:41.000 Right?

00:06:42.000 No, I mean, like, go clean up the Brooklyn Bridge.

00:06:43.000 It would be the most watched livestream of community service ever.

00:06:47.000 Twenty years ago, if someone like Donald Trump was charged and convicted with a misdemeanor

00:06:52.000 and then the sentence was going to be community service, the lawyer would say, perhaps our

00:06:57.000 client can make a large contribution to various charities in the community in lieu of community

00:07:02.000 service, and they would say yes.

00:07:04.000 Being Donald Trump, I don't think they would do that.

00:07:06.000 And your point about BLM, while correct, I don't think applies to people in New York City.

00:07:11.000 No, I'm just saying there's a broader question legally.

00:07:14.000 I get that.

00:07:15.000 The whole trend is relaxed on crime.

00:07:18.000 But come on.

00:07:20.000 There's an equal protection, there's a 14th Amendment claim that can be made.

00:07:23.000 Good luck.

00:07:24.000 No, I agree with you.

00:07:24.000 I'm as cynical as you are, Tim.

00:07:26.000 But at some point, you're going to run into some backstop That could at least slow this down.

00:07:32.000 And then also, Tim, before you go to jail, you get an appeal.

00:07:36.000 And the appeal courts, the appellate courts, are a lot saner than the original criminal courts.

00:07:42.000 So Trump is not allowed to leave the state.

00:07:46.000 Okay, that's a potential.

00:07:47.000 Do you think that's going to happen?

00:07:48.000 So I cannot imagine a circumstance where New York jurors acquit Donald Trump No, I can't imagine that either.

00:07:57.000 Right now, Donald Trump has gone to New York voluntarily.

00:07:59.000 takes one. Yeah, but then it's just a mistrial and then it's well then, but so

00:08:03.000 that we're dealing with time, right? So they'll say I'm I do not I right now

00:08:10.000 Donald Trump has gone to New York voluntarily. He's going to surrender. I'm

00:08:13.000 glad he did. I don't believe there's a strong probability a judge remands him

00:08:17.000 into custody because of the fear of what would happen if they do.

00:08:21.000 But it would be just, they don't do that in New York anymore.

00:08:23.000 But we're talking about Donald Trump.

00:08:26.000 But outside of that, the political ramifications, I don't think it will happen.

00:08:29.000 However, I do think there's a possibility the judge says, Mr. Trump, you own several high-end properties in New York City where you can easily reside.

00:08:41.000 Do not leave the state.

00:08:43.000 During for the duration of this trial, he will not be able to campaign and that is going to say whether or not you campaign for president is not our fault.

00:08:52.000 You are being criminally charged.

00:08:54.000 That would be that's a possibility, right?

00:08:56.000 And I got to be honest when it comes to the Molotov cocktail thing.

00:09:00.000 I even envision a possibility where when Trump's lawyer politely argues to the judge, New York City's laws are very lax.

00:09:08.000 in terms of crimes committed. This is not a violent offender.

00:09:11.000 And then if they reference, just recently, two young people were firebombing police

00:09:16.000 vehicles and were given an opportunity, the judge will say, how dare you question the motives of

00:09:21.000 people challenging the white supremacy of this nation? Donald Trump is a white. I would not be 0.98

00:09:27.000 surprised if you're more cynical than I am. Did you see what Eric Adams, New York City?

00:09:32.000 No, I don't.

00:09:33.000 I'm just not as forthright in just thinking the whole legal system will collapse.

00:09:37.000 Here's why I think you might be wrong, Tim, just to play devil's advocate, is that the room for error here is very limited.

00:09:44.000 Every comma is going to be dissected by the legal community here.

00:09:47.000 People could get disbarred.

00:09:49.000 This is not some sort of fringe case in Ithaca, New York.

00:09:52.000 They, everybody involved in this is going to be examined on the appellate level.

00:09:56.000 They could lose their law license. There could be complaints filed against them.

00:10:00.000 You might be right. The whole system might be so corroded and might be so poisoned.

00:10:05.000 However, I think that because of the, I think, I think this is my prediction,

00:10:10.000 they're going to just blink and just keep their head down and act as if this is a regular crime

00:10:16.000 and not do anything too unusual and say, this is the law and we follow it and this is precedent.

00:10:20.000 fine you can go out.

00:10:22.000 But that means jail!

00:10:23.000 34 counts?

00:10:24.000 Hold on, not necessarily.

00:10:25.000 They're misdemeanors though.

00:10:26.000 Well, yeah, they're misdemeanors.

00:10:28.000 At least one felony.

00:10:29.000 34 counts doesn't mean you go to jail, by the way.

00:10:31.000 I mean, it's just you could have one action that you have 34 different points.

00:10:34.000 For example, you could get charged for fraud and you make 34 phone calls and it's all on the U.S.

00:10:40.000 attorney or on the charging documents of the prosecutor to determine I have a theory as to why.

00:10:45.000 It's revenge.

00:10:45.000 Revenge for winning the presidency?

00:10:46.000 No, it's more than that.

00:10:47.000 that are well known, they're notorious for 99 count indictments just to do it.

00:10:52.000 So why, so let's look at it this way, why would they indict Donald Trump in the first

00:10:56.000 place?

00:10:57.000 I have a theory as to why.

00:10:59.000 It's revenge.

00:11:00.000 Revenge for winning the presidency?

00:11:02.000 No, it's more than that.

00:11:04.000 It's revenge for stealing the Kravitz Center from them.

00:11:07.000 Seriously?

00:11:08.000 Hold on, we know this in the psychological literature.

00:11:12.000 Trauma is a very, very powerful thing.

00:11:15.000 These people were traumatized and humiliated that night.

00:11:18.000 They thought that was going to be a wedding ceremony.

00:11:20.000 Think of it.

00:11:20.000 They wore their best clothes.

00:11:22.000 The glass ceiling?

00:11:23.000 Yeah, literally.

00:11:25.000 For people who don't understand, this is Hillary Clinton's party, and it's a literal glass ceiling.

00:11:30.000 At the Javits.

00:11:31.000 Is it Kravitz or Javits?

00:11:32.000 Javits.

00:11:33.000 Oh, I messed up.

00:11:33.000 Javits.

00:11:34.000 Thank you for correcting me.

00:11:35.000 For a second I was like, wait, what are you talking about?

00:11:37.000 Oh! 0.60

00:11:37.000 Yeah, Javits, Kravitz. 0.60

00:11:38.000 Kravitz is in Palm Beach, so the Javits Center.

00:11:41.000 And they thought they were going to a wedding and they went to a funeral.

00:11:44.000 And that does massive psychological damage and trauma, and they swore a blood oath that night.

00:11:48.000 Do not, do not mistake the pettiness in New York political elite.

00:11:51.000 I was re-watching the debates, 2016, Trump-Hillary, and when he's like, she's like, you guys better be glad that someone with Donald Trump's temperament isn't in charge of the law in this country.

00:12:00.000 And he's like, because you'd be in jail.

00:12:02.000 And then he just looked at her, and they looked at each other, and I'm like, that's why they're going after him.

00:12:05.000 It's petty, it's pathological, it's personal.

00:12:08.000 And so Donald Trump psychologically scorned these people.

00:12:12.000 And they said, we're going to get you back.

00:12:14.000 And now they look—when he's arraigned tomorrow, there will be a population of New York that says, it took us seven years, but you stole that night from us.

00:12:23.000 And you might have got Amy Coney Barrett, you might have got Comey, Kavanaugh, you might have got all these different people on the Supreme Court, but now we got you.

00:12:31.000 But that implies this is the end of it.

00:12:32.000 I don't believe that.

00:12:34.000 Well, they have additional charges.

00:12:35.000 I mean, the DOJ, as you said, the DOJ is now looking at obstruction charges.

00:12:39.000 The Secret Service is going to testify against No, it's not the end.

00:12:42.000 No, no, but if we're talking about New York politics, we're talking about who is in Alvin Bragg's ear, the New York City elite, primary Hillary Clinton, that is very petty, very personal, very political.

00:12:55.000 This is about revenge.

00:12:56.000 And there's other games to be played here with Jack Smith at the DOJ and the woman in Fulton County because of the phone call Trump made, which was perfectly fine.

00:13:05.000 So then there's another theory that they're doing this to try to take Trump off the chessboard.

00:13:12.000 I'm not as convinced of that one.

00:13:13.000 This one just seems to be revenge politics.

00:13:16.000 Perhaps, but I just don't see a circumstance where they can set this chain of events in motion and then appease their constituents by backing down.

00:13:28.000 No, I think that's right, and therefore the room for error is almost nothing, and when you overcharge and create a crime with a, quote, exotic legal theory, as Maggie Haberman said on television, you might let a lot of people down.

00:13:42.000 Again, the legal system in America is designed to allow people that are overcharged, that have good legal representation, to fight it.

00:13:51.000 Now, you might be as cynical about New York as possible.

00:13:53.000 I do not have faith In the pattern of behavior we've seen in the New York legal system, but everything will be examined.

00:14:01.000 Every single charging sentence and syllable is going to be hyper-criticized.

00:14:07.000 So there's a potential, I imagine, of this going to an appeals court.

00:14:12.000 Correct.

00:14:12.000 Or even being escalated to U.S.

00:14:15.000 appellate federal courts.

00:14:16.000 Supreme Court, potentially.

00:14:17.000 Supreme Court.

00:14:18.000 I think there's a decent percentage chance that actually happens.

00:14:24.000 But in the meantime, I think we're going to see hyper-partisan, politicized law enforcement and judiciary, because too much of what I see is what I refer to as the freedom faction, which consists of disaffected liberals, libertarians, conservatives, believing, well, there's rules.

00:14:42.000 And the rules say it must be done this way.

00:14:45.000 And then it's like, dude, they firebombed a car and then got let go.

00:14:48.000 I'm not even making that argument.

00:14:49.000 I'm just saying that there's a lot of there's a plenty room for error for these people that think that Trump is 100% going to prison, that a lot can go wrong.

00:14:58.000 That they're overcharging, they're creating a crime that doesn't exist, they're upgrading a misdemeanor to a felony.

00:15:05.000 Also, Michael Cohen is going to be your star witness.

00:15:08.000 I mean, the only way I see this going in Trump's favor is if after conviction it goes to an appellate court with a Trump-appointed judge, and that gives the Democrats an out of his own appointee just freedom.

00:15:20.000 They're going to force him to refuse himself, yeah.

00:15:22.000 Well, that's their out.

00:15:24.000 To avoid going all the way down... Yeah, but it would be a state judge.

00:15:27.000 It wouldn't be a Trump-appointed judge.

00:15:29.000 It wouldn't be a Supreme Court judge.

00:15:29.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:15:30.000 It would have to only be if it goes to the federal level, having some kind of federal court intervene on constitutional grounds.

00:15:34.000 How would it get to a federal level?

00:15:36.000 It's state at this point.

00:15:37.000 And also, the federal prosecutors had already declined to prosecute this ages ago.

00:15:45.000 I do not see a circumstance where New York political establishment says, we've decided to let Trump go.

00:15:49.000 I just don't see it.

00:15:50.000 I do not see a jury of New Yorkers being like... I think you're right.

00:15:54.000 I don't disagree with that, but I also... So this ends up with Trump facing sentencing?

00:15:58.000 Potentially.

00:15:59.000 Potentially.

00:16:00.000 I just, I'm not, I'm not saying it's certain.

00:16:03.000 There's a lot that can go wrong.

00:16:05.000 This is, this is... For them, I mean, and go right for those of us that believe in the Constitution.

00:16:11.000 Actual justice.

00:16:12.000 But how?

00:16:13.000 I mean, I could go through the list again, right?

00:16:14.000 They're overcharging.

00:16:16.000 So who's going to intervene and say this is an overcharge?

00:16:18.000 The Democrat DA?

00:16:20.000 The Democrat lawyers?

00:16:21.000 The Democrat population?

00:16:22.000 Well, potentially a judge that doesn't want to get disbarred or put in front of disciplinary court.

00:16:27.000 Disbarred from who in New York state court?

00:16:28.000 This is interesting because you're saying nobody is going to follow the rules that exist.

00:16:33.000 No New York Democrat, no New York judge is sitting there thinking, well, The Democratic establishment that controls New York State is going to disbar me.

00:16:45.000 They're thinking I will be disbarred if I DON'T put Trump in jail.

00:16:50.000 You might be right, but considering how insane these charges are and how damaging they are, this is far from a... We're assuming what the indictment is.

00:16:59.000 We don't know exactly what's in it yet.

00:17:01.000 It's far from a signed, sealed, and delivered case, right?

00:17:05.000 And here's the thing.

00:17:05.000 Trump's going to try to stretch out the timeline here, and he will use it to his advantage.

00:17:10.000 Every one of these local actors is now going to be under a national spotlight and national examination.

00:17:15.000 I'll give you a couple examples.

00:17:17.000 Everybody now working in the DA's office that's going to touch this case.

00:17:20.000 Their social media histories will now be examined.

00:17:22.000 They are not going to be comfortable with conservative, freedom-loving media shining a light on them.

00:17:27.000 And if they're—hey, hold on.

00:17:30.000 Kyle Rittenhouse, is largely free today because of free media that was on the street, and we shined a light, and we exposed them.

00:17:39.000 But he was also in a Wisconsin court, and Wisconsin is very strongly conservative.

00:17:45.000 No, not so much.

00:17:46.000 That's not totally true.

00:17:47.000 I mean, Wisconsin has a Democrat governor.

00:17:50.000 It's more sane than New York, I'll give you that for sure.

00:17:52.000 What I'm getting at, though, is I think the New York political community is going to be shocked At how big of a deal this is going to be, how much their failures are going to be put on spotlight, and these people are overcharging him.

00:18:06.000 We know that.

00:18:07.000 Yeah, but that only matters to someone playing by the rules, man.

00:18:10.000 I don't think they're playing by the rules.

00:18:12.000 So why would they care about overcharging?

00:18:14.000 Because you're going to find a couple people that still have some shame.

00:18:18.000 Shame?

00:18:18.000 Who do they fear?

00:18:20.000 So you live in New York.

00:18:21.000 You're a judge who lives in New York City.

00:18:22.000 You know what you fear?

00:18:23.000 You fear Antifa coming to your home with bricks and Molotov cocktails.

00:18:26.000 Let me have a counter-argument.

00:18:28.000 If it's that sign sealed and delivered, why didn't Cyrus charge Trump on these?

00:18:33.000 Why brag?

00:18:36.000 I don't know.

00:18:37.000 Because there's not unanimity that this is a good idea.

00:18:41.000 That's why.

00:18:41.000 Well, here's what I see.

00:18:42.000 This is a risk.

00:18:44.000 If it was, Cyrus would have done it.

00:18:46.000 He was a way better prosecutor, way better respected, way more kind of white-collar law firm.

00:18:53.000 Alvin Bragg is like a street thug that has become a DA.

00:18:55.000 Who campaigned on going after Trump in 2001, and now he's doing it.

00:18:59.000 But the fact that other DAs passed on this case Shows that there's a risk element here that favors Donald Trump.

00:19:07.000 Or, because they didn't, a new guy gets in who's escalating things.

00:19:13.000 Well, that could be the case, but it's not as if Cyrus wanted to get him indicted.

00:19:18.000 He would have loved nothing more.

00:19:19.000 I mean, the guy was a total Trump hater.

00:19:21.000 He would have been the darling of the New York City elite.

00:19:24.000 But maybe this is not so much about risk as it is escalation.

00:19:27.000 Well, that's a separate argument, though, right?

00:19:29.000 So is it about Trump or is it about trying to distract from the looming currency collapse and banking crisis to incite violence amongst the American right so that then they can clamp down on us and say, see, see, see?

00:19:40.000 These people can't handle freedom.

00:19:42.000 They can't handle liberty.

00:19:43.000 We're going to try to raise the temperature in the room because the American currency is about to collapse.

00:19:47.000 Do you guys think that the National Democratic Party wants this to happen?

00:19:50.000 Or do you think Bragg is doing this despite them potentially not wanting it?

00:19:54.000 That's a good question, too.

00:19:55.000 I mean, I think they may not want it to happen.

00:19:58.000 I think they may be saying, look how much money he's making.

00:20:01.000 His polling is skyrocketing.

00:20:03.000 You need to chill out. 0.97

00:20:04.000 And this Dumb local level guys being like, I'm winning! 0.98

00:20:08.000 You know, so maybe. 0.92

00:20:09.000 But to your point, I want to pull up this story.

00:20:11.000 We have this from PIX11.

00:20:14.000 Once again, NYPD cops ordered to patrol in uniform, prepare for mobilization after Trump indictment.

00:20:21.000 So this was just the end of the last week as it was being announced Trump was going to head to New York.

00:20:25.000 But this has been a consistent story since the announcement of the looming indictment.

00:20:29.000 Before it was confirmed, New York police Fully mobilized.

00:20:34.000 Every officer told to be in uniform and get ready.

00:20:37.000 My question is, for what?

00:20:40.000 You know what's interesting?

00:20:40.000 Are Trump supporters going to go around or what?

00:20:43.000 We had a reporter out there last week who went out to the courthouse the night of the indictment.

00:20:49.000 I think it was Wednesday.

00:20:51.000 She went out on, or maybe it was Thursday.

00:20:52.000 I don't know.

00:20:54.000 Anyway.

00:20:55.000 She went out and she was talking to some of the cops who were stationed outside the courthouse and they had all said, they were talking to her about it and they said that they were told that this wasn't going to happen for like another month and then all of a sudden they were all called up.

00:21:10.000 They all were told that they had to pull doubles and they had to get out there right away and they were all kind of pissed.

00:21:15.000 They were like, we didn't think this was happening now.

00:21:17.000 That's also a way to agitate people and that you're just agitating the cops and their families.

00:21:22.000 That is agitating.

00:21:23.000 So the way it must be looked at, it's an indictment trying to lead to incitement.

00:21:29.000 This is a direct incitement campaign where they're trying to raise the temperature in the room to try to spark a backlash that they want to be violent.

00:21:39.000 Who is they?

00:21:40.000 The national security state, the deep state, the regime media, because right-wing violence makes the regime more powerful.

00:21:47.000 I'm at the point where I just don't see how it matters.

00:21:51.000 No one on the right—like, the bifurcation of culture in this country is complete.

00:21:56.000 None of us here are swayed by any arguments about right-wing violence.

00:21:59.000 We know what Antifa does.

00:22:01.000 We know that— I've experienced it.

00:22:03.000 Absolutely.

00:22:04.000 And for heaven's sake, conservatives don't even want to go around waving flags around.

00:22:07.000 Peacefully, they barely want to go outside and protest at all, if anything.

00:22:11.000 Some do, but mostly they don't.

00:22:12.000 That's right.

00:22:13.000 But the narrative among the left is they truly believe it.

00:22:16.000 So I was at a casino called Maryland Live this past weekend, and I was playing poker with the boys, as I often do and talk about, and the guy to my left said that all of the people on January 6th should be executed.

00:22:28.000 Oh my goodness.

00:22:29.000 No kidding.

00:22:30.000 So someone brought up politics.

00:22:32.000 This is a regular guy.

00:22:33.000 He doesn't know much about politics. 0.69

00:22:36.000 Executed. 0.68

00:22:37.000 Not kidding.

00:22:38.000 These are like grandmas being like, oh, look at the pictures.

00:22:42.000 Well, there were violent guys out there.

00:22:44.000 There would be a lot of dead federal agents.

00:22:47.000 Sure.

00:22:47.000 But listen, so there was violence.

00:22:49.000 There's a riot.

00:22:49.000 There's people fighting with cops.

00:22:51.000 I've seen worse.

00:22:51.000 I'm anti-protest, but I get it.

00:22:53.000 It's at the Capitol.

00:22:54.000 On one side of the building, the doors are open, but the cops people are let in.

00:22:57.000 And I'm talking to this guy because someone brought up the economy, which led to someone bringing up Joe Biden.

00:23:02.000 And you're not supposed to talk politics at these tables because of what happens.

00:23:05.000 And then I asked the guy what he thought.

00:23:07.000 And he was a really funny guy.

00:23:08.000 He was really cool.

00:23:09.000 We were getting along, having a great time, just having fun.

00:23:11.000 Some jokes were made, some fun poker hands. 0.98

00:23:14.000 And then when he got into it, he got really angry and he was just like, Those people, what I saw with my own eyes on January 6th, they should all be executed. 0.99

00:23:20.000 Every single one of them. 0.97

00:23:21.000 That's treason against this country.

00:23:23.000 And I saw what happened.

00:23:25.000 And I said, I was like, well, you hear about what happened on 529?

00:23:29.000 And he says, no, what's that?

00:23:30.000 I was like, when the leftists, the far left, they tore the barricades down at the White House, set fire to St.

00:23:35.000 John's Church, firebombed the guard post, and then Trump was forced into an emergency bunker.

00:23:41.000 And he goes, I don't know anything about that.

00:23:44.000 And I'm like, that's it right there.

00:23:46.000 This guy was not political.

00:23:48.000 He said he hated all politicians, but the messaging that reaches him is insurrectionists are traitors and I have no idea what Antifa is.

00:23:56.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 And imagine a new wave of riots called the Trump riots.

00:24:02.000 That's what they want to see bubble up.

00:24:04.000 But I don't, I just, I just, I just can't see it.

00:24:06.000 I can't.

00:24:07.000 Well, you were the one, Tim, that you think the country would collapse if they remanded him.

00:24:12.000 But not because people on the right are going to romp around with guns.

00:24:16.000 That's probably unlikely.

00:24:17.000 Very unlikely. The reason I believe that if Donald Trump did not surrender,

00:24:22.000 the country would collapse is because a country only exists based on confidence.

00:24:27.000 It is an abstract idea that tethers people together.

00:24:31.000 You look at other countries where they do not have confidence in the government, you end up with civil war.

00:24:36.000 You end up with corruption, with bribery, etc.

00:24:39.000 and then very little in power of the government other than guns.

00:24:43.000 If Donald Trump stayed in Florida and announced to the nation, I do not find these charges to be legitimate.

00:24:50.000 These are political, it's a political persecution and a witch hunt, so I'm going to completely ignore it.

00:24:56.000 What precedent would be set nationally that New York was powerless to stop someone who committed what they say are felonies and Florida refuses to extradite?

00:25:05.000 Yes, so that's two questions.

00:25:08.000 So it's speculation because it's not happening, but it's interesting.

00:25:11.000 First, The precedent would be you file an extradition order.

00:25:14.000 The second is Florida has to choose whether or not to honor it, and they probably would.

00:25:19.000 You think Ron DeSantis?

00:25:20.000 That's the question.

00:25:21.000 I don't think the governor has all that authority.

00:25:23.000 I don't know how all the particulars work.

00:25:24.000 He said that he wasn't going to get involved.

00:25:26.000 He was very clear on that.

00:25:27.000 That's not getting involved and dishonoring an interstate extradition order are two different things.

00:25:32.000 Pontius Pilate didn't get involved with Jesus's group.

00:25:35.000 Can you imagine?

00:25:36.000 Again, this is all speculation, but I think it's helpful.

00:25:38.000 But let's just entertain these two potential outcomes.

00:25:42.000 The extradition order, denied.

00:25:44.000 Ron DeSantis saying, we're not involved.

00:25:46.000 Which I think would be a pretty ballsy and cool thing to do.

00:25:49.000 I completely agree.

00:25:50.000 But what does that mean for law enforcement as a country?

00:25:53.000 The other scenario I wanted to mention.

00:25:55.000 Sure.

00:25:55.000 Imagine Ron DeSantis saying, we have no choice, I am hereby ordering state police to Mar-a-Lago to arrest and transport Trump against his will to New York.

00:26:05.000 That would be insane!

00:26:07.000 Exactly!

00:26:07.000 But that's what would have to happen!

00:26:09.000 Hold on.

00:26:10.000 We have a precedent of A couple things.

00:26:14.000 So the idea of a state or a locality saying that other people's laws don't apply to us is not new.

00:26:22.000 California's doing it right now.

00:26:23.000 California's doing it with the gender stuff. 1.00

00:26:25.000 Vermont is trying to do it and so is New York.

00:26:27.000 Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia are all sanctuary cities where they defy federal law and don't work federal agents.

00:26:36.000 So that's not a perfect example, but this idea of blue states and blue cities carving out their kind of own place to play, if you will. So that's one argument. The

00:26:45.000 second thing is what would happen in a standoff between a former president and Florida State Troopers. It'd

00:26:54.000 be impossible to know.

00:26:55.000 My goodness, that would be so crazy.

00:26:57.000 The question would be what would be Trump's end goal, which is why Trump is going to New York.

00:27:01.000 Because the reason why Trump is in New York is he sees massive upside to this, because

00:27:06.000 Alvin Bragg is doing what the other DAs decided not to do.

00:27:10.000 He's raising money, he's getting points in the polls, and Donald Trump is now seeing himself, is now being positioned as the martyr of the American right.

00:27:19.000 Yep.

00:27:21.000 That is so wild.

00:27:22.000 And being the martyr is incredibly popular.

00:27:25.000 Martyrdom is a way to win popularity. 0.86

00:27:27.000 And what do you think the American left is thinking about it?

00:27:30.000 Depends who you're talking to.

00:27:32.000 Mark Elias or your average crazy person in Brooklyn?

00:27:35.000 They're cheering for it.

00:27:36.000 Well, yeah, Mark Elias is probably not cheering for it.

00:27:38.000 That's a separate issue.

00:27:39.000 He's much more strategic than them.

00:27:40.000 Well, that's the question about if the National Democratic Party is pro this or not.

00:27:43.000 The average Trump derangement syndrome Democrat is saying, finally.

00:27:47.000 Joy Bihar on The View is all into it.

00:27:49.000 Oh, of course they are.

00:27:50.000 These people are savages, and they're never going to stop in their bloodthirsty quest for revenge. 0.89

00:27:55.000 And that's my point.

00:27:57.000 We have two completely bifurcated worldviews and cultures, one that is calling for injustice, and one that is saying it's good that Trump turned himself in to injustice.

00:28:08.000 It makes no sense.

00:28:08.000 Well, no, no, I'm not saying – I see it both ways.

00:28:13.000 Define the injustice.

00:28:14.000 You have to have the ends in mind.

00:28:16.000 Your final and formal cause is developed.

00:28:19.000 I don't think that would have been necessarily prudent for Trump to say, you got to go send the troopers after me.

00:28:25.000 It would have felt very George Wallace-y.

00:28:28.000 You know, 1960s or 70s.

00:28:30.000 Now having Florida stand up and have the entire Florida state troopers stand down against an extradition order, that would have been interesting.

00:28:37.000 But what I think does need to happen, and the only mature response that I've called for for quite some time, is Republican DAs and Republican AGs need to start indicting and investigating members of the Democrat crime family.

00:28:50.000 One that we can all agree on is fraudulent is the BLM criminal enterprise. 0.94

00:28:54.000 Materially benefited with $100 million in the summer of 2020, and they've been untouched.

00:28:59.000 Wasn't ActBlue being used to facilitate donations to some of these organizations?

00:29:03.000 Correct.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, and ActBlue is a harder case to make, but we can say just with Black Lives Matter Global Network, with Patrisse Cullors, we now know there was material charitable fraud under any sort of reading, She was buying all those houses and stuff.

00:29:15.000 Yeah, $6 million mansion in Malibu for a content creator's thing.

00:29:17.000 And the money went missing, I guess.

00:29:18.000 And the money went missing.

00:29:19.000 Let me pull up these sources.

00:29:20.000 Oh yeah, just to make sure.

00:29:21.000 Fact check me on all of it, right?

00:29:22.000 There was a bunch of that.

00:29:23.000 She has a multiple real estate empire, right? 1.00

00:29:26.000 She also paid her was-boyfriend-now-husband for security services for a healthy sum.

00:29:32.000 You can fact check me on that.

00:29:34.000 It was quite a lot.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, NBC News is not what I would use as your- No, but you know- It's just buried, that's why.

00:29:40.000 It's just going to take you more time to find the numbers.

00:29:42.000 BLM leaders condemn allegations of mismanaged funds.

00:29:45.000 Okay, that's a word salad headline.

00:29:47.000 They're condemning their own mismanagement.

00:29:49.000 Sure, but it was even reported in- I condemn my crime!

00:29:52.000 Here's LA Times.

00:29:53.000 Black Lives Matter leader accused of stealing $10 million from organizations.

00:29:56.000 Okay, there we go, sure.

00:29:57.000 That right there, So let's just pause there, and that's actually a separate one, that's not BLM Global Network, but my guess is that somebody in a red state don't—what's his name again?

00:30:08.000 Is that the Global Network Foundation?

00:30:10.000 Shalomya Bowers? 0.86

00:30:11.000 Sure.

00:30:13.000 Why is there not widespread investigations and indictments into the BLM charitable fraud?

00:30:18.000 Now, that matters because if we want to have the promise of equal justice and the 14th

00:30:25.000 Amendment, it's like, okay, you go after Donald Trump, who has become a martyr of the

00:30:29.000 conservative, right?

00:30:30.000 There you go.

00:30:31.000 The Washington Examiner is a great site.

00:30:32.000 So that's— BLM millions unaccounted for after leaders quietly jumped

00:30:35.000 ship.

00:30:35.000 So I deal in the 501c3 world.

00:30:37.000 Every dollar is audited.

00:30:39.000 We have an audit committee.

00:30:40.000 We have a CFO.

00:30:41.000 I can't even sign checks.

00:30:42.000 It takes two people in the organization.

00:30:44.000 We do 990s.

00:30:44.000 We deal with the IRS.

00:30:46.000 Very, very high standard of financial accountability at Turning Point USA.

00:30:50.000 This here is outright charitable fraud.

00:30:52.000 Now, why does this matter?

00:30:53.000 Because the counterargument is, well, Charlie, that's just some charity.

00:30:55.000 No, no, no, no.

00:30:56.000 BLM was the vehicle of choice for the activist left. 0.98

00:31:02.000 So you go get Donald Trump in New York, then fine, we're going to go take BLM and put them on trial and go through the charitable fraud of how they raised $100 million and got $83 billion in pledges from corporate America, and where did the money go?

00:31:15.000 That would be a prudent act of deterrence that would actually, I think, open up the legal conversation.

00:31:23.000 And that's just one example of a hundred that I've seen.

00:31:25.000 A few years ago, There were people telling me that what's happening today would never happen because the government would not allow it.

00:31:32.000 That the government was secure, that the deep state apparatus, whatever you want to call it, does not allow these kinds of things because it's destabilizing.

00:31:40.000 What sort of things?

00:31:41.000 Like Trump being arrested, like J6, like BLM Summer of Love. 0.85

00:31:44.000 Who says that?

00:31:45.000 This was in 2018.

00:31:46.000 Were you reading cue boards or something?

00:31:49.000 Wait, what?

00:31:50.000 These were mainstream conservatives.

00:31:53.000 I've never heard that, but sure.

00:31:55.000 You've never heard people say that the country can't collapse?

00:31:58.000 No, saying that Trump can't be indicted?

00:32:00.000 I haven't heard that.

00:32:02.000 Yeah, so in 2018, the idea that Donald Trump would actually be impeached, they were like, they won't allow something like that to happen.

00:32:08.000 Okay, well impeachment is different than indictment, but sure, continue, yeah.

00:32:11.000 Well, but indictment wasn't even on the table.

00:32:13.000 There wasn't even a criminal charges that were— Okay, I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

00:32:17.000 In 2018 when I was talking about how we are heading towards a collapse or civil war, and again I stress I didn't make the idea up, a Princeton professor was talking about the Cold Civil War.

00:32:26.000 Numerous outlets were talking about it.

00:32:28.000 I see what you're saying.

00:32:28.000 People were saying that can never happen.

00:32:31.000 The government is an entity in and of itself, the deep state.

00:32:34.000 It will not lose control in that matter.

00:32:36.000 It doesn't care about the left, doesn't care about the right.

00:32:37.000 Got it.

00:32:38.000 And now what are we seeing?

00:32:39.000 As the years go on, The federal government is being bifurcated into mostly an establishment left and more new—there's no right.

00:32:50.000 There's no opposition.

00:32:51.000 There is just the hyper-partisan, hyper-polarization of federal government.

00:32:56.000 And so what we end up seeing today is Donald Trump just flew to New York to surrender on bogus criminal charges.

00:33:04.000 There will be no opposition to that.

00:33:06.000 This will get worse as the years go on.

00:33:09.000 There is no reason to believe that these people in power are going to decide to pull things back.

00:33:15.000 They don't have to.

00:33:16.000 Why would they?

00:33:17.000 What is the mechanism by which they will say, hey, let's slow down here?

00:33:21.000 So the only way they stop is if we stop them.

00:33:24.000 And so I agree.

00:33:26.000 If the current trajectory continues, Everything you just said will happen.

00:33:31.000 I'm a big believer in free will and agency and the ability to do something.

00:33:35.000 So I'm going to use my platform to call on what the only thing I think that could stop it, which is deterrence, which is to get DAs and AGs to indict Democrat crime member families.

00:33:44.000 If we don't do that, everything you're saying is true.

00:33:47.000 But so my issue there is this country is so bifurcated.

00:33:51.000 What you're describing would just be the exact same thing to them as it is to us.

00:33:55.000 Of course it is.

00:33:56.000 It's equal and opposite reaction. 0.99

00:33:58.000 You punch us, we punch you. 0.99

00:33:59.000 And then it escalates to further destabilization. 0.91

00:34:02.000 So the question is this.

00:34:02.000 What escalation is better than being pummeled?

00:34:08.000 depends on how you escalate it. If you're escalating it to end the problem, like to quell the violence.

00:34:13.000 My heart is trying to calm down the temperature. My heart is saying, we're not going to stop

00:34:17.000 until you stop. And the issue is if any of that...

00:34:20.000 It's true. If you have a friend that smacks you a lot, and you're like, 1.00

00:34:22.000 if you do that again, I'm going to smack you back. They do it again, and you smack it back,

00:34:25.000 they stop. That's deterrence.

00:34:26.000 But this is not... No, I completely disagree.

00:34:29.000 It was fair warning.

00:34:29.000 You're like, what you're doing is wrong.

00:34:30.000 I'm like, there's no friends.

00:34:31.000 I completely disagree.

00:34:32.000 There's numerous examples throughout history where the pushback just led to an escalation until war broke out and people all killed each other.

00:34:39.000 We had a civil war in this country.

00:34:41.000 They didn't just say, whoa, this violence has grown too much.

00:34:43.000 Guys, let's agree to stop.

00:34:44.000 That's a good counterargument.

00:34:45.000 They went and crushed each other.

00:34:46.000 And Sherman decided to march to the sea.

00:34:50.000 Rather savagely.

00:34:51.000 And savage is an understatement.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, it is.

00:34:54.000 He said, I got an idea.

00:34:55.000 I'm so sick of these people. 1.00

00:34:56.000 I'm going to burn their cities to the ground, kill children, and destroy farmland all the way down so they starve and die. 1.00

00:35:04.000 It was the advent of scorched earth warfare. 1.00

00:35:07.000 No, no, no, not the advent.

00:35:08.000 It was just the first time the United States did it.

00:35:11.000 It was when I believe they coined scorched So let me just frame it, though, because I hate to reduce things to binaries, but the American right has a choice.

00:35:21.000 Option one, keep doing what we are doing, which is to send strongly worded press releases and op-eds and hope things get better.

00:35:29.000 Choice two.

00:35:30.000 Indict.

00:35:31.000 Indict, use political power, and hope it gets better.

00:35:34.000 They're both bad options.

00:35:35.000 I agree.

00:35:36.000 I completely agree.

00:35:36.000 I like the whole, the forgiveness arc for Donald.

00:35:39.000 Like, if you're really pummeled and beaten down by society so hard and you still stand up and forgive people for it, that's a message that will resonate for thousands of years.

00:35:48.000 I think that's powerful.

00:35:49.000 Not gonna happen.

00:35:50.000 It could.

00:35:51.000 I think they're lying in the polls too.

00:35:53.000 They're trying to make the argument that they want Trump to be the nominee so they can beat him in 2024.

00:35:59.000 But they didn't beat him last time.

00:36:00.000 Well, I mean, they did beat him last time.

00:36:02.000 They beat him last time, but they don't have anything right now.

00:36:05.000 There's no one.

00:36:05.000 Biden can't do it.

00:36:06.000 Biden didn't campaign.

00:36:08.000 He hid in his basement.

00:36:09.000 There was a lockdown where mail-in ballots were sent to everyone's home.

00:36:12.000 I totally agree.

00:36:13.000 They don't have any of these tools.

00:36:15.000 So unless H5N1 hits, and then they do another lockdown.

00:36:20.000 Like a swine flu 2.0 or something.

00:36:22.000 Biden is done.

00:36:24.000 Do you remember the town halls with people in their cars?

00:36:27.000 Right, right.

00:36:27.000 Yes.

00:36:28.000 The jeeps in front of the stage. 0.95

00:36:29.000 Biden is a proven failure.

00:36:33.000 The country is in shambles.

00:36:35.000 That guy I mentioned who talked about executing J6ers also said it's Biden's fault the economy is bad.

00:36:42.000 My point is just they can't try this game twice.

00:36:45.000 And I do believe they're going to try.

00:36:47.000 They're putting up polls where it's like if an election was held today, Biden would win.

00:36:50.000 DeSantis would beat Trump.

00:36:52.000 But Biden, they're saying that DeSantis would beat Biden.

00:36:57.000 But, and Trump would lose to Biden, and they're trying to make the case that we should support DeSantis for the primary.

00:37:03.000 I think they are lying once again in the polls.

00:37:05.000 So can I validate what you're saying?

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 Can you go to a website?

00:37:08.000 It's number 270-T-O-WIN.com.

00:37:12.000 This is not... 270-T-O-WIN.

00:37:13.000 Yeah.

00:37:14.000 Every 10 years we do a census as mandated by the Constitution.

00:37:18.000 Most people don't know this, but the map has slightly changed in Trump and the Republican favor for the first time for 2024.

00:37:26.000 So the maps are good for three cycles, and then you redo them.

00:37:29.000 Good for three cycles—actually, two cycles, redo them.

00:37:32.000 Wait, what do you mean?

00:37:33.000 Right here it's saying— Let me show you.

00:37:34.000 Okay, so let's assume Texas goes red.

00:37:37.000 Is that fair enough to say?

00:37:38.000 Oh, easily.

00:37:39.000 And Florida.

00:37:40.000 Yep.

00:37:40.000 Okay, let's assume Pennsylvania goes blue, please.

00:37:43.000 And then New Hampshire goes blue.

00:37:45.000 And then all of Maine goes blue.

00:37:48.000 Really?

00:37:48.000 Yeah, let me show you.

00:37:49.000 Michigan goes blue.

00:37:50.000 I know what I'm doing here.

00:37:52.000 And Minnesota goes blue.

00:37:53.000 And Minnesota goes blue.

00:37:54.000 And then Nevada goes blue.

00:37:55.000 And Nevada goes blue.

00:37:56.000 Iowa goes red.

00:37:57.000 Iowa goes blue.

00:37:58.000 And Ohio goes red.

00:38:00.000 And Ohio goes red.

00:38:00.000 And North Carolina goes red.

00:38:02.000 Okay, so what you have right here is why they fear Trump.

00:38:08.000 All Trump has to do is win Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin, and he's the President of the United States.

00:38:12.000 Three states he won in 2016, three states that receive Zuckerberg money, three states that have elected statewide Republicans, and two states that have more Republicans registered than Democrats in Georgia and Arizona, and one state that's 50-50.

00:38:25.000 This is why the Democrats are indicting Trump.

00:38:27.000 The map has changed.

00:38:28.000 This was not the map in 20s, what I'm telling you.

00:38:33.000 So Nebraska had that one district.

00:38:35.000 I turned it red.

00:38:36.000 Well, no, even if you don't, it goes 271.

00:38:38.000 Right.

00:38:38.000 It's 271 without it.

00:38:40.000 With it, it's 272.

00:38:42.000 Yeah.

00:38:42.000 And so 270 to win is all you need.

00:38:44.000 So the Democrats know this.

00:38:46.000 So therefore, Donald Trump can't, not only can he win the presidency, this map heavily favors the Republican to win the presidency.

00:38:54.000 This is interesting.

00:38:55.000 So the only real consideration I think, I don't even know if Arizona is necessarily, I'm not as worried about Arizona.

00:39:04.000 I live in Arizona.

00:39:05.000 Right.

00:39:06.000 It's a challenge.

00:39:07.000 You think so?

00:39:07.000 Okay.

00:39:08.000 It's a 50-50 state.

00:39:10.000 Sinema is going to be a formidable Senate candidate if she runs as an independent. 0.99

00:39:15.000 That's good for Republicans. 0.54

00:39:16.000 It's good.

00:39:17.000 I think Arizona, with the proper get-out-the-vote ballot-chasing operation, which we can talk about, is going to be fine.

00:39:26.000 My philosophy, my hypothesis, is the entire United States election comes down to three states, comes down to seven counties, and this is why they fear Trump so much.

00:39:33.000 This is not a national election.

00:39:34.000 Mind you, Pennsylvania's blue.

00:39:36.000 You're right, you're right.

00:39:37.000 In 2016, Trump won with, I think, 88,000 votes across the three states.

00:39:41.000 Yes, but he needed a Michigan or a Pennsylvania in addition to a Wisconsin because the census map favored the Democrats.

00:39:48.000 Because of the sunbelt surge, Because Florida has gained population so significantly.

00:39:52.000 It's a red state.

00:39:53.000 Because Texas has, and New York and California and Illinois have lost population.

00:39:57.000 The stars have aligned where the Republican is now in a much easier spot to win the White House than ever before.

00:40:05.000 You better believe Mark Elias knows this.

00:40:07.000 That's why Elias and the National Democrats are not thrilled about this indictment.

00:40:10.000 They're just saying, what are you doing to win those three states?

00:40:12.000 What do you want to do to win those three states?

00:40:14.000 And this is helping them there.

00:40:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:16.000 His polls have gone up.

00:40:17.000 Oh, not only that, but upper middle class white suburban voters are not thrilled about the idea of over-prosecution because they kind of get what that means.

00:40:26.000 That resonates.

00:40:27.000 That's a Democrat-based thing.

00:40:29.000 Let me tell you, the funny thing is this guy I'm talking to, who said execute the J6ers, which is insane to me, also said this country over-prosecutes. 0.94

00:40:36.000 Well, so there you go.

00:40:37.000 This is an interesting thing to bring up.

00:40:39.000 It sounds like a walking contradiction, aka a swing voter.

00:40:42.000 Absolutely.

00:40:42.000 He was a PA swing voter.

00:40:44.000 And so you look at it because people say, how do we win Michigan?

00:40:47.000 How do we win Nevada?

00:40:48.000 How do we win Pennsylvania?

00:40:49.000 You don't need to.

00:40:50.000 And so you look at the map, you then focus very precisely.

00:40:55.000 There's not just a path.

00:40:57.000 There is a great probability Trump becomes president.

00:41:00.000 So let me pull up this story.

00:41:01.000 We got this from Newsweek.

00:41:03.000 Donald Trump's Secret Service agents set to testify against him report.

00:41:08.000 A number of Secret Service agents are set to testify as part of a federal investigation into Trump's handling of classified documents, Brett Baier said on Tuesday.

00:41:15.000 The grand jury appearances are related to special counsel Jack Smith probe into the handling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

00:41:22.000 So yes, for those that are just tuning in or missed the last segment, what Charlie is saying is that actually, what is it, you said Georgia?

00:41:30.000 Arizona, Wisconsin, that's it.

00:41:31.000 Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia.

00:41:32.000 With the four givens, which is Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, which I feel comfortable all will be in the Republican category.

00:41:38.000 It's looking very good for Donald Trump to win in 2024.

00:41:42.000 Not only do we have the indictment in New York, but it looks like federally they're gearing up for some kind of indictment as well.

00:41:47.000 And that one can be trickier for ballot access.

00:41:51.000 The New York one will not prohibit from actually becoming a candidate.

00:41:54.000 Being a convicted federal felon is an open question.

00:41:58.000 Really?

00:41:59.000 Yes.

00:42:00.000 I thought that wasn't the case.

00:42:01.000 I thought the talking point was even if he gets charged, it depends on what you're tried with.

00:42:06.000 If you're tried with insurrection.

00:42:08.000 Well, they can't try him with insurrection.

00:42:10.000 But the classified documents bar you from running for office.

00:42:12.000 Correct.

00:42:13.000 Yes.

00:42:14.000 Then how could Joe Biden run again?

00:42:15.000 Well, because they won't charge him.

00:42:17.000 Yeah.

00:42:18.000 They've already defended what he did and criticized what Trump did. 0.98

00:42:21.000 It's ridiculous.

00:42:22.000 But the insurrection one, I don't think they're going to charge. 0.99

00:42:24.000 It's such a ridiculous claim.

00:42:26.000 But just for a thought experiment, because that's what we're doing, that's what they try to get Marjorie Taylor Greene on in Georgia. 0.95

00:42:31.000 And Madison Cawthorn?

00:42:33.000 Correct.

00:42:33.000 Because a lot of these southern states actually have criminal code provisions, you can't be on the ballot if you were charged with an insurrection.

00:42:39.000 It's a Civil War-era law.

00:42:42.000 Or convicted of it, I believe.

00:42:44.000 Yeah, that's right, convicted, not charged with.

00:42:45.000 You're correct.

00:42:46.000 So what are the chances they try and charge Trump with the most minor of minor J6-related quote-unquote insurrections, like how they're getting people on trespassing, calling them insurrectionists?

00:43:00.000 What happens if they say misdemeanor, um, um, what do they call it?

00:43:04.000 Um, like, uh, menacing.

00:43:07.000 What if they say menacing in relation to January 6th?

00:43:10.000 It's unclear legally, but here's the greater concern.

00:43:14.000 Remember that strange argument we had of whether or not California can tell you you have to be on the ballot based on your tax returns?

00:43:21.000 Yeah.

00:43:22.000 Democrat primary states are going to use these charges as a way for ballot access in these states that Trump would otherwise do very well in, like New York.

00:43:33.000 What do you mean?

00:43:34.000 How so?

00:43:34.000 Don't be surprised if New York, you're going to find out if the Democrat Party wants Trump or does not want Trump to be the nominee very soon.

00:43:40.000 And I think they do not want him to be because he brings out a different voter no one else can bring out.

00:43:44.000 If the New York State Assembly gathers and they say, if you are charged with a felony, you're not allowed to be on a primary ballot in the state of New York.

00:43:53.000 Now, what would that mean?

00:43:55.000 Now, they might lose. 0.91

00:43:55.000 It might be a silly argument. 0.91

00:43:56.000 If they're successful, well, Trump would then not be able to even compete for the primary delegates for the Republican nomination in the state of New York.

00:44:04.000 Interesting.

00:44:05.000 Does that just mean don't even try?

00:44:07.000 It means that if they did that, then whoever the second place person would be would just be on the ballot, right?

00:44:13.000 DeSantis?

00:44:15.000 Yeah, or whomever.

00:44:16.000 He still hasn't announced.

00:44:17.000 He hasn't announced, but he's probably going to run.

00:44:18.000 But we're in speculation world here, and I think it's somewhat helpful because we're now building out kind of a universe of all the different dimensions of how they're attacking Trump.

00:44:28.000 Contingencies.

00:44:29.000 I actually think this is really healthy.

00:44:31.000 It's kind of how a war room talks in the best possible way.

00:44:35.000 But I'm going to just say it again.

00:44:38.000 Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, it's less about messaging, it's less about the person, it's about the machinery.

00:44:45.000 Not the Dominion machines, but ballot chasing, early voting.

00:44:51.000 Look at John Fetterman.

00:44:52.000 John Fetterman is a United States Senator.

00:44:55.000 Not because of his charisma?

00:44:57.000 They say he's coming back to work April 17th.

00:45:00.000 The full force of John Fetterman. 0.61

00:45:02.000 How could anyone watching any of this not be like, WTF, mate?

00:45:09.000 Yeah, I think it is that.

00:45:11.000 In what world is a Democrat like, I'm totally fine with whatever it is with John Fetterman?

00:45:14.000 And yeah, the level of cognitive dissonance with John Federman is insane. 0.97

00:45:18.000 He's a walking, brain-dead Frankenstein who can't understand anything that is said to him.

00:45:24.000 Libby, have a little empathy for the guy. 0.97

00:45:27.000 Look, I feel bad for him.

00:45:29.000 I am saddened by his story.

00:45:31.000 It was his dream.

00:45:32.000 He wanted to make it to the Senate.

00:45:34.000 He had a stroke.

00:45:35.000 I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

00:45:37.000 What we need to do right now is, in our heart of hearts, have empathy for this man.

00:45:42.000 And just let him vaguely represent the people of Pennsylvania.

00:45:45.000 And take him out of this stressful, stressful position and give him comfort.

00:45:52.000 I believe that Republicans in this country should pledge right now $1 million towards the retirement of John Fetterman to relax peacefully and carry out his medical treatment at home.

00:46:06.000 And then have somebody else be the senator. 1.00

00:46:08.000 Granted, I know the reality there is that it's his wife, and so we don't really want that either. 0.97

00:46:11.000 Giselle.

00:46:12.000 She seems to really want to be the senator.

00:46:14.000 She seemed to want that after you had that stroke and everything.

00:46:17.000 My point is simply, like, in all seriousness, I do feel bad for the guy, because he really wanted to be a senator, and then he had a stroke.

00:46:22.000 And it's got to be, like, that's the worst thing in the world, man.

00:46:25.000 I mean, that's a bummer.

00:46:26.000 But I don't—it's insane that they would put him in office.

00:46:29.000 Who would have voted for him?

00:46:31.000 Well, what was really insane, too, was when it turned out that he couldn't understand anything that was said to him and that everything needed to be on a computer screen translated so that he could read it.

00:46:40.000 And when we mentioned, all of us mentioned, that this was perhaps going to make being in Senate remarkably difficult, everyone accused us of... Ableism.

00:46:51.000 Ableism and saying that his disability, you know, was some issue.

00:46:55.000 Ableism works if it's like someone was born paraplegic or something. 0.98

00:46:59.000 And we want a wheelchair ramp to help them.

00:47:01.000 Right. 0.73

00:47:01.000 Not when, like, a senator who has to debate and make decisions is having an inability— His brain is a problem. 0.73

00:47:06.000 Like, this isn't Stephen Hawking over here, you know what I mean?

00:47:09.000 Yep.

00:47:10.000 But there are people who are like, I would prefer that.

00:47:13.000 And so that's why I call it cynical, or whatever.

00:47:17.000 I just I do not see a mending of the bifurcated culture in this country.

00:47:22.000 I think it's got to start somewhere at the top.

00:47:25.000 And last night, I was thinking like, if Trump and Biden could get together and just be like, you know what, we're Americans first.

00:47:32.000 High five a little bit.

00:47:33.000 That's all.

00:47:34.000 It doesn't seem like much for them, but the world will be like, oh, America is the greatest.

00:47:39.000 I think that's naive.

00:47:39.000 I think that would never happen.

00:47:42.000 But I do think that you're right, that the culture is remarkably divided.

00:47:47.000 We don't watch the same TV shows.

00:47:49.000 There's no common culture that we have.

00:47:51.000 religions, our collective religions are in decline. There's nothing that unites us. 1.00

00:47:57.000 I mean, when I was a kid, we'd all watch the same TV shows on Thursday night. I

00:48:00.000 could even probably give you the lineup, you know what I mean? It was like the

00:48:03.000 Cosby Show and... And that's why I don't think it comes from the top. It comes from the

00:48:06.000 radio. It comes from the bottom. I do not believe what's causing the divide in

00:48:10.000 this country is leadership.

00:48:12.000 I believe it is algorithms on social media that manipulated young people creating.

00:48:19.000 So as I've explained numerous times, 10 year olds get on Facebook in 2008 or whatever and are immediately shuffled into two different realities.

00:48:27.000 They are now growing up.

00:48:29.000 There was never a point where someone just like Decided, you know what?

00:48:32.000 I am a conservative.

00:48:33.000 I am a liberal.

00:48:34.000 What was happening was young kids were being fed two different versions of reality by Facebook.

00:48:38.000 Now they're of voting age.

00:48:40.000 There is no bringing those people together because they live in different realities.

00:48:43.000 They don't even understand reality in the same way.

00:48:45.000 Exactly.

00:48:45.000 Or the same language.

00:48:46.000 They don't have the same goals for a worldview or anything like that.

00:48:50.000 So how do you, if someone's entire being, their brain, their body was built on, this country is nothing but white supremacy, and someone else is built on, America is a great freedom fighting nation, civil rights, etc.

00:49:02.000 You are not going to reverse 18 years of mental development.

00:49:08.000 Yeah, not overnight, but not even in a few years.

00:49:10.000 Especially with the decline in critical thinking in education, too.

00:49:14.000 That's an issue as well.

00:49:15.000 I'm thinking the long game.

00:49:18.000 There's a lot of people that will mindlessly follow Donald Trump and Joe Biden and do what they say, which for better or worse, that's how people are built sometimes.

00:49:25.000 And if they see them being kind to each other and promoting forgiveness, they'll just mindlessly do it.

00:49:32.000 And that's the beginning.

00:49:33.000 And then their kids will actually realize why it's valuable.

00:49:36.000 And in 20 years, Donald Trump Jr.

00:49:37.000 will be president or something like that.

00:49:39.000 It doesn't have to be all Donald Trump Sr.

00:49:41.000 today, right now, or nothing.

00:49:44.000 We're kind of creating the environment.

00:49:46.000 I never saw a presidential campaign... I've never seen, like, candidates go at each other until 2016.

00:49:52.000 I've never seen them hate each other until 2016.

00:49:54.000 It was very out of character for the United States.

00:49:56.000 You know, I think you're onto something with that, too, because prior to that, it did seem like Republicans and Democrats at least had the same goals for the country.

00:50:06.000 You're right!

00:50:07.000 Like blowing up kids overseas, funding the military-industrial complex.

00:50:10.000 Exactly.

00:50:10.000 They had the same goals.

00:50:11.000 I'm with Tim on this.

00:50:13.000 I'm not saying they had good goals, but they at least had the same goals.

00:50:18.000 So two thoughts on this, because we're having a conversation on how to heal the land.

00:50:21.000 That's kind of the summary of what we just talked about here.

00:50:25.000 The first is I don't think Donald Trump caused the division.

00:50:28.000 He revealed it.

00:50:30.000 He revealed 50 years of neoliberalism, of a fake currency, and endless global wars, and invading the world, and inviting the world, and redomiciling American industry overseas.

00:50:41.000 He just exposed it, and he did it in a very blunt, sometimes clumsy, but awfully direct way, who gave the American population a Prognosis that was honest.

00:50:54.000 Like, you guys got tumors everywhere and I'm gonna remove them.

00:50:57.000 And then all of a sudden he's the problem for even mentioning that we have these tumors.

00:51:01.000 And yeah, we are really divided.

00:51:03.000 I think we've been divided for quite some time and I think there's a couple reasons for that.

00:51:07.000 There's an interesting theory that we can explore which is, can a large republic sustain itself?

00:51:14.000 Meaning, is this just inevitable when you have 330 million people and almost 4,000 miles of landmass?

00:51:21.000 3,000 miles of landmass?

00:51:22.000 Is it just unsustainable?

00:51:24.000 The founders were concerned about this.

00:51:25.000 I always hate that question because I love this country and I love all of our... You love the size.

00:51:30.000 I love the whole thing.

00:51:31.000 You're like Jefferson.

00:51:31.000 You want to go from ocean to ocean, sea to shining sea, right?

00:51:34.000 I do.

00:51:36.000 You know, Jefferson, being a completely walking contradiction, was the one that wrote in the anti-Federalist papers he was afraid that large Republican governments can't work.

00:51:46.000 And then he bought Louisiana.

00:51:48.000 So again, we're all walking contradictions in some sense, which should give you comfort that even our heroes were contradictions in some ways.

00:51:55.000 But how do we heal a land?

00:51:57.000 This is really the question of the statesman.

00:51:59.000 It's a question of someone that is able to identify the problem cogently and then be able to come up with some form of a prudent and healthy and realistic solution.

00:52:09.000 And so Abraham Lincoln called it the crisis of the house divided, right?

00:52:13.000 That's similar to what we're living through now, but I actually think we're even more divided in some ways than we even were leading into the American Civil War.

00:52:20.000 At least there was a Christian country back then. 1.00

00:52:22.000 Now we have different metaphysics and we have all sorts of different types of views.

00:52:27.000 We have some things working in our favor, which is the great hope is that we can de-escalate the national politics and go back into hyper-local community and just say, I don't like the person in Portland, I don't like the person in Wichita, but I'm not going to try to imperialize their life.

00:52:46.000 Until we get to that, the project is going to fall apart.

00:52:48.000 Absolutely.

00:52:49.000 I was thinking about the word democracy and how it comes from demos, which means the people.

00:52:52.000 And it's basically... I hate the word democracy.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, it allows the mob to make decisions for the whole.

00:52:56.000 I'm not a fan of democracy.

00:52:58.000 It's pretty brute.

00:52:59.000 It's pretty, like, kind of rudimentary.

00:53:01.000 And if we could evolve into, like, a technocratic republic where we have technology, like apps, where we can govern ourselves locally.

00:53:06.000 I gave Charlie this look and he's like, you know.

00:53:08.000 Hear me out, because we can always go back.

00:53:09.000 If the power goes out, we're still a democratic republic.

00:53:11.000 But we can upgrade and govern locally, because what you just mentioned is local governance.

00:53:15.000 If we could somehow send our tax dollars around locally through a local app that's free software,

00:53:19.000 you can watch the code, nothing's tracking it.

00:53:22.000 And if the power goes out, you can still send your representative to the central location

00:53:26.000 to govern the whole from there, because that's the least worst of a bad government system.

00:53:32.000 But I think we need to evolve our republic.

00:53:34.000 What I think you're hitting is interesting in the sense that there are different forms of government that might be different for different people.

00:53:42.000 If you leave the federal government out of this equation, people can then Have a structure that might better fit their values.

00:53:49.000 The Amish are going to be a lot different than, you know, the secular nihilists in Brooklyn.

00:53:54.000 Where the American Republic has gone wrong is we have an imperialist government that is invading the communities and invading the lives with an ever-urgent pattern of behavior that is telling people what to do.

00:54:08.000 And that is really the incitement.

00:54:09.000 And then the one symbol of that, Donald Trump, is being martyred. We also have a problem where... I gotta

00:54:15.000 respond to what you were just saying because while I do agree we shouldn't just assume the founding

00:54:20.000 fathers hit the nail on the head perfectly in every aspect. I think it was the best ever,

00:54:24.000 but yes. I think it was the best even now. The structure and form of it... Without a doubt.

00:54:30.000 The best.

00:54:31.000 And we could talk about why.

00:54:32.000 I'd love to.

00:54:32.000 And I'll simplify it.

00:54:34.000 You've got a council of elders, Supreme Court.

00:54:36.000 You've got a group gathering, a communal gathering of Congress.

00:54:40.000 And then you have the executive, the monarch, all of these different forms of government they had seen.

00:54:44.000 They were like, let's do all of them and have them challenge each other and create this network style system.

00:54:49.000 It was brilliant.

00:54:51.000 But what I'm saying is, as time changes and technology changes, there's probably ways to improve.

00:54:55.000 However, my challenge to you, Ian, on the idea of technocracy is, or a technocratic government, whatever you want to call it, we look at how we created these algorithms on YouTube with the intent of creating more Game of Thrones.

00:55:07.000 YouTube said, 10 minute long content, high watch time, that's what we want.

00:55:13.000 Instead of getting Game of Thrones, what we got were weird videos of Elsa being chased by the Joker and Spider-Man with no English, because more people could watch it if there was no language, because it crossed language barriers.

00:55:27.000 It had multiple keyword-generating figures in it.

00:55:30.000 If we go the technocratic route, the only actual outcome is either a human being is in control of the system that we think is technocratic or we create a mechanism by which the technology aids us and then it runs haywire because it's impossible to predict.

00:55:46.000 Um, you could put in stopgaps like you need your face, your social security number to use the app.

00:55:51.000 It's public data so you can see who's posting what and it's only local.

00:55:55.000 Someone would have to have supreme control over that system to correct errors and maintain the system.

00:55:59.000 It would be open source so the whole community would be policing the software.

00:56:02.000 That seems like Wikipedia, like a total disaster.

00:56:04.000 And right, what'll happen is, you will then get a 51% attack or whatever, it's gonna be a network system where Democrats are gonna register a bunch of people, they're gonna say, hey, download this app on your phone, which will then make, they're gonna say, this is called SwingVote, and if everyone signs up, we can control the system.

00:56:23.000 I'm thinking more of something like Public Square, where you can, it's just resource distribution.

00:56:27.000 I love Public Square.

00:56:28.000 Yeah, so like a government app that's like open source free software that is resource distribution, local governments.

00:56:33.000 And then someone gets in government and says, that Ian Crosland guy, take him off the app.

00:56:37.000 No, no, no.

00:56:38.000 It would be, we would have our own local app.

00:56:40.000 So like every city would have its own version or every locality could have its own version and they could interoperate.

00:56:44.000 You have a great heart.

00:56:45.000 This is never going to happen.

00:56:46.000 But I love the heart that you have for trying to build this.

00:56:50.000 It's just, the problem is the power of having an app that control all will be corrupted by a person.

00:56:57.000 I agree.

00:56:57.000 It's just, when you have power, it will corrupt absolutely, as Lord Acton said.

00:56:59.000 has been corrupted. No, I agree. It's just when you have power, it will corrupt absolutely as

00:57:03.000 Lord Acton said. So we're looking for something that is the least corrupted of a corruptible

00:57:07.000 system. Like nothing's incorruptible. Right, but if you think that technology

00:57:12.000 will smooth out the inherent corruption in man.

00:57:15.000 I don't think so.

00:57:16.000 It does, because writing is a form of technology, and before it was just barbarism, and now we have an organization.

00:57:21.000 But at the end, do people still lie with their pen?

00:57:23.000 True.

00:57:24.000 I imagine it was much worse before 3000 B.C.

00:57:27.000 violence was.

00:57:28.000 I think there was just a lot more.

00:57:30.000 I mean, we keep having less and less violence.

00:57:33.000 You know, videos, it helps you see yourself so you can judge your own heart.

00:57:38.000 Video?

00:57:38.000 Video.

00:57:39.000 Being able to watch yourself and see yourself speak, you immediately know what you're doing wrong.

00:57:43.000 I hate watching myself.

00:57:44.000 That's the why, because you're seeing the faults.

00:57:47.000 I don't think that's why.

00:57:48.000 But I would challenge Ian, because I think there's a deeper philosophical point that I think Tim was hovering over.

00:57:54.000 The reason why the Constitution and the Declaration are just as applicable today is because it's built on eternal truths, things that are always true.

00:58:03.000 What is a human being?

00:58:05.000 What is our purpose here generally?

00:58:07.000 Are we naturally good?

00:58:08.000 Are we naturally bad?

00:58:10.000 I don't think a piece of technology – in fact, I think technology amplifies the worst aspects of human behavior.

00:58:15.000 I think it certainly is right now.

00:58:17.000 Here's a couple of problems that I think that piece of tech we were just talking about won't solve, is that our republic has become out of control in that there's 700 representatives, 700 people, 600 people in Congress.

00:58:25.000 535.

00:58:25.000 350 million.

00:58:28.000 So there's like 700,000 people are trying to be represented by one guy.

00:58:32.000 You represent yourself, essentially.

00:58:35.000 That's interesting.

00:58:37.000 At first, I was like, get rid of the House of Representatives, and people were like, no, that's too extreme.

00:58:41.000 Mike Gravel, who is a senator from Alaska, unfortunately has passed, because the man was amazing, and I love him, created this idea of national initiative, creating a fourth branch of government, where we would set up a system where the American people can pass laws into Congress, as well as the Republic.

00:58:55.000 That's a terrible idea.

00:58:56.000 That's a terrible idea, too.

00:58:57.000 Well, it would be like 50 representatives, one from each state, and they could come together whenever it convened.

00:59:03.000 We don't need more laws, that's why. 0.99

00:59:04.000 I'm not a more law guy.

00:59:07.000 But having the monopoly of law in the hands of 600 people is... But let me tell you how the founders thought it would be.

00:59:15.000 Until the 17th Amendment, the state legislatures used to pick the senators.

00:59:19.000 So that used to be your through line.

00:59:21.000 17th Amendment.

00:59:22.000 Yeah, we went people, state reps, senator.

00:59:25.000 Now you say, well, the people pick the senators, but now we know they're just pseudo-celebrities and they raise a bunch of money and these elections have become just corrupt, you know, contests.

00:59:34.000 But the Founders' design, which I would love to repeal the 17th Amendment, I think that'd be amazing, right?

00:59:38.000 Agreed.

00:59:40.000 So the senators are appointed?

00:59:41.000 The senators would be appointed by the state.

00:59:43.000 That's how it worked until Woodrow Wilson, 1917 I think it was passed.

00:59:47.000 And it was way better because then all of a sudden, you're right.

00:59:50.000 One senator for 800, let's say one senator for 7 million people?

00:59:54.000 No, no, no.

00:59:55.000 You went to your state rep to complain about your senator because they could recall the senator at a moment's notice.

01:00:00.000 That was the original design.

01:00:01.000 And you know your state senator because there's many more of them and they're at the local level.

01:00:04.000 Precisely.

01:00:05.000 And these senators at any time could be called for hearings or called for recall by the state legislature.

01:00:10.000 You're not representing West Virginia.

01:00:12.000 What are you doing?

01:00:13.000 You know, that actually does make a lot of sense, because we don't have a way to hold our senators accountable other than to just not vote for them.

01:00:21.000 They can't be recalled.

01:00:22.000 So get this.

01:00:23.000 If we still had the 17th Amendment, Republicans would have 58 seats in the U.S. 0.88

01:00:27.000 Senate.

01:00:27.000 If we didn't have the 17th Amendment.

01:00:28.000 That's what I mean.

01:00:29.000 If we got rid of 17th Amendment. 0.83

01:00:30.000 I want to say something as to what Ian was bringing up with 775,000 people per representative.

01:00:35.000 So there's something I refer to as the scaling problem that people who are fans of the show have heard me say a billion times, but for the sake of those who don't, please bear with me.

01:00:43.000 If 100 celebrities were gifted a brand new iPhone Xtreme, and 1% of those phones were defective, that's one celebrity going on Instagram saying, my phone's broken!

01:00:55.000 Well, no one cares.

01:00:56.000 They're gonna be like, that sucks for you, bro.

01:00:57.000 Like, your phone broke.

01:00:58.000 That happens.

01:00:59.000 A phone broke?

01:01:00.000 Let's say they give up 100 million phones with a 1% margin of error.

01:01:04.000 Now you have 1 million people posting on social media about how their phone broke and everyone's

01:01:09.000 going, dude, what happened?

01:01:11.000 All these phones are broken.

01:01:13.000 Same margin of failure.

01:01:15.000 Considering that, now consider politics.

01:01:18.000 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez represents 775,000 people.

01:01:21.000 About 24 or 20 percent of her district are conservative.

01:01:24.000 These people get zero representation, but 200 and some odd thousand people in that district can take over whatever they wanted.

01:01:36.000 The amount of police that are in New York would not be enough, no matter what, if every single conservative individual said, no taxation without representation.

01:01:45.000 We are not getting representation by Ocasio-Cortez.

01:01:48.000 She rejects our values, so we reject her.

01:01:51.000 Now you all of a sudden have 200,000 people marching through the streets of New York, and the police have no way to control that.

01:01:56.000 Same percentage of dissent, but hundreds of thousands of people not getting any representation is cause for chaos and concern.

01:02:04.000 Big time.

01:02:05.000 So I like the idea of people representing themselves directly.

01:02:07.000 I don't like direct democracy because the mob is dangerous.

01:02:11.000 The mob is very dangerous.

01:02:12.000 The collective is interesting.

01:02:14.000 The collective can move together pretty well if they have good organization.

01:02:17.000 That's interesting.

01:02:17.000 I don't agree with that.

01:02:18.000 You think collectives are not good?

01:02:22.000 I think that collectives could be As Madison wrote in, I think, the 51st or 54th Federalist, prone to madness.

01:02:32.000 I think that's about right.

01:02:33.000 The couple of times that I was involved in arts collectives, I wanted to tear my hair out and run screaming from the building, which eventually I did.

01:02:41.000 He wrote specifically about the urban areas of America at the time, which have only gone worse.

01:02:45.000 He said they have a proclivity to the insane and a posture to the—the word is beautifully poetically put—but he said that the mobs will descend into madness quickly.

01:02:57.000 And I think that's true.

01:02:58.000 I mean, for example, there's a great book by Douglas Murray called The Madness of Crowds.

01:03:03.000 I believe that's the name of the title, right?

01:03:04.000 I think so, yeah.

01:03:05.000 Madness of Crowds?

01:03:05.000 You could fact check me on that.

01:03:07.000 Because there is a—the collective can Make bad decisions very quickly.

01:03:11.000 I agree that mobs and crowds can— Crowds become mobs.

01:03:14.000 Mobs are dangerous. 1.00

01:03:15.000 But collective communication and, like, open-source databases like GitHub, that's a collective movement.

01:03:21.000 I see.

01:03:21.000 So you're talking more about a small-d democratized system where people can input data and allow the information to win. Look at Wikipedia. Good luck.

01:03:33.000 Ideally, it's just local.

01:03:34.000 Ideally, you're right. But look at Wikipedia. It bends towards tyranny.

01:03:39.000 It sure does. I don't know about Wikipedia. It's not open source. It's like—

01:03:43.000 I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is open source.

01:03:45.000 Anyone can become a— Wikipedia is open source.

01:03:46.000 The promise of Wikipedia was that anyone could become an editor and the internet will edit

01:03:50.000 itself. The reality of Wikipedia is that only people in the club become editors,

01:03:56.000 and the people in charge can remove or edit anything they want.

01:03:59.000 You read Tim Poole's Wikipedia, which I would not do, or mine.

01:04:02.000 Mine's a horror show, I'm sure.

01:04:03.000 Mine's actually not that bad.

01:04:04.000 Okay, mine's a horror show.

01:04:05.000 It's like a drive-by shoot.

01:04:05.000 Weird.

01:04:06.000 Now everyone's gonna go look at it.

01:04:07.000 And it's terrible.

01:04:08.000 Kelly J. Keynes, she's a, you know, women's rights campaigner in the UK.

01:04:11.000 Hers basically says that she's a Nazi.

01:04:13.000 Yes, that's right. 0.85

01:04:14.000 And New Zealand politicians believed that and advocated for protesters to go out and protest her Let Women Speak event, and they nearly, you know, they went nuts.

01:04:24.000 You guys are right.

01:04:25.000 Wikipedia is open source.

01:04:26.000 One of the funniest things ever was when I had a journalist ask me questions, and they wanted to do an interview with me, and I said, You know, please have your journalists do their homework on me before coming.

01:04:37.000 And when they came, they asked a bunch of fake questions based on nonsense from Wikipedia, like, when did you invent the Zeppelins?

01:04:43.000 Which is the fake, like, yeah, because the meme is for, like, five, six years, Wikipedia claimed that I built a Zeppelin.

01:04:50.000 And I was like, I did not.

01:04:51.000 Like the thing in the sky?

01:04:52.000 I did not do this thing.

01:04:54.000 They say, they claim that I built a Zeppelin drone modification for aerial broadcasting,

01:04:57.000 which I never did.

01:04:59.000 And then journalists would ask me about it because it was on Wikipedia and it was made

01:05:02.000 up.

01:05:03.000 It was insane.

01:05:04.000 And you couldn't get it removed.

01:05:05.000 I once went in there and said, guys, I am Tim Pool.

01:05:06.000 I never did this.

01:05:07.000 They said, you are not a reliable source.

01:05:08.000 We're not a reliable source for whether or not you invented a Zeppelin.

01:05:11.000 You are not allowed to be a source for yourself because bias.

01:05:14.000 So Wikipedia, of course, is completely broken in that concept.

01:05:18.000 But now to be fair, like a year ago, we did build a Zeppelin to retroactively make it

01:05:24.000 true and then they wouldn't put it back.

01:05:27.000 There's a difference between open areas where you can go do stuff on and open source software code.

01:05:33.000 So, like, you might have an open place where people can go and be, but you're patrolling it and policing it in a way that people don't like.

01:05:41.000 But if the code is available so that I could spin up my own Wikipedia tomorrow, and I have my local Wikipedia, and it's like, yo, this is what we believe in this area, man.

01:05:54.000 I mean, this is just how we see the world.

01:05:56.000 That, I think, is a lot better than trying to just focus all the data into one big, open platform.

01:06:05.000 And we could maybe do the same with government, because I feel right now Congress is Wikipedia.

01:06:09.000 They're deciding what is getting passed into the Senate, they're deciding what's getting said no to, and it's too much control of information.

01:06:18.000 That's an interesting question.

01:06:19.000 We all agree Congress is broken.

01:06:21.000 The question can be why.

01:06:23.000 And I think there's multiple answers.

01:06:25.000 The 17th Amendment, I think, solves the Senate question.

01:06:29.000 There's other answers, I think, that are important.

01:06:31.000 I think campaign finance absolutely plays a role.

01:06:34.000 And I say that as a conservative.

01:06:36.000 I think it's corroded American politics.

01:06:38.000 The nationalization of politics is a big problem for us.

01:06:41.000 And the example I like to give is when you'll see someone running for Congress at the federal level say, I'm going to clean this town up.

01:06:49.000 Send me to DC.

01:06:50.000 And it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:06:51.000 You've got nothing to do there.

01:06:52.000 Yeah, when we send you to D.C., you're going to talk about Warren stuff and federal budgets representing our district.

01:06:57.000 You're not going to clean this town up.

01:06:59.000 You have nothing to do with it.

01:07:00.000 That's a local rep.

01:07:00.000 Well, the only way to clean up the town is for them to get a bunch of money.

01:07:03.000 And for them to get a bunch of money, they have to, like, fill... No, no, no, it's local reps.

01:07:06.000 No, but, like, let's say you have a congressman going to... It's a federal grant or something.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, you have to, like, you have to pack a bill with pork for your district.

01:07:12.000 That's how you... Yep.

01:07:13.000 I guess that's what they do.

01:07:14.000 That's what you do.

01:07:15.000 What is it about the national initiative that you guys were turned off or at first were you not interested in?

01:07:19.000 Are you familiar?

01:07:20.000 I brought it up earlier, Mike Revell's idea to create a fourth branch of government.

01:07:23.000 Well, first of all, we already have a fourth branch of government.

01:07:25.000 That's the bureaucracies.

01:07:26.000 And they're unchecked, unelected, and they do great damage.

01:07:29.000 So this would be a fifth branch.

01:07:30.000 The fourth branch is the DOJ, IRS, EPA.

01:07:33.000 permanent government. Someone told me the corporate media was the fourth branch earlier.

01:07:36.000 So maybe we have six branches. The media is what, the fourth estate?

01:07:41.000 Supposed to be keeping a check on power. The fourth branch to give, quote unquote,

01:07:46.000 the power to the people would only be duplicative of what the legislative branch and the executive,

01:07:52.000 which are directly supposed to be direct sovereign to the people. So here's the,

01:07:57.000 instead of creating a fourth branch of government where you could pass laws,

01:08:00.000 why don't we restore the promise of small our Republican government, which is say the federal

01:08:05.000 government should not be doing this and you send it back to the states. One of the reasons why

01:08:09.000 Congress is so broken is that they meet too often. Neoliberalism has empowered Washington, D.C.

01:08:16.000 beyond our wildest imagination.

01:08:18.000 And the original project, and this is why I think we're at in 2023, states created the federal government, the federal government did not create the states.

01:08:26.000 And we're in a place now where everybody thinks the federal government created the states, and that is not true.

01:08:30.000 People also think the federal government gave us our rights, which is also not true.

01:08:33.000 Correct.

01:08:34.000 And so I don't want to get too far into the example because I haven't thoroughly read it or heard the arguments or counterpoints, but my initial reaction is that it's a bad idea Restoring states' rights and putting power back to localities, I think, can de-escalate our tension, can de-radicalize our politics, can get us back to live and let live and leave me alone, and can hopefully restore liberty.

01:08:58.000 I see no other path to salvation.

01:08:59.000 I somewhat agree, I somewhat disagree.

01:09:01.000 The challenge, I suppose, is what we saw with the Civil War, when you had the attempted expansion of slavery, and you ended up with bleeding Kansas.

01:09:10.000 So, let's try and apply states' divisions to a modern era.

01:09:15.000 People tell me all the time, federalism is the answer.

01:09:17.000 A weaker federal government, more power to the states, and it's like, okay, then someone from Texas will be in a relationship with a woman who will get pregnant, She will get mad eight months in and say, I'm going to flee to Colorado to terminate the life of this baby.

01:09:31.000 The guy in Texas is going to be like, that's illegal under Texas law, and she'll say, then I'll go to Colorado and you can't stop me.

01:09:36.000 Now you're going to have a question of, what do either state do?

01:09:40.000 Colorado will say the woman can terminate the baby at eight and a half months, and Texas will be like, that's kidnapping and murder. 1.00

01:09:45.000 Is Texas going to send troops into Colorado to save the life of this man's son because his woman wants an abortion? 0.99

01:09:51.000 The Democrats will view that as insane.

01:09:53.000 They won't get an abortion if she wants to, no matter what age the baby is. 1.00

01:09:56.000 But we're already there.

01:09:57.000 That crisis is looming right now.

01:09:58.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:10:00.000 So the federal government being stronger and preventing...

01:10:07.000 What I'm trying to say is, I don't see a solution.

01:10:10.000 Let's imagine a strong federal government takes the woman from Colorado and says, you can't kill the baby, you're a Texas resident, Texas law says this, this is kidnapping, and brings her back.

01:10:19.000 Now the left goes insane, saying women are being forced to give birth.

01:10:22.000 Let's say the federal government stops Texas and says, the woman is free to live where she wants and she's getting abortion. 1.00

01:10:28.000 Let's say there's no federal government.

01:10:30.000 You're gonna get a dude... Let's step outside the abortion debate and let's talk about the trans kids thing. 0.99

01:10:36.000 Which is for real in California.

01:10:38.000 And let's say a man and a wife have a kid.

01:10:41.000 She decides the kid is trans and takes him to California without the man's permission and the federal government says we will not get involved. 0.88

01:10:49.000 The question is at what point does some father say, I will not sit back and wait for my son to be castrated and then get a posse and bring him to California.

01:10:58.000 Like, the conflict will happen with people fleeing other states in this way.

01:11:02.000 Well, you know what's interesting about this?

01:11:03.000 There's some breaking news you should look at, by the way.

01:11:05.000 What's going on?

01:11:05.000 Just, apparently, the DA just leaked the indictment.

01:11:09.000 Oh, good.

01:11:09.000 The indictment.

01:11:10.000 All 33 points.

01:11:11.000 I didn't mean to interrupt that conversation, by the way.

01:11:12.000 No, no, let's get it.

01:11:13.000 Good interruption.

01:11:13.000 But since we're live, I'm on Trump's Telegram channel.

01:11:18.000 Where can we find it?

01:11:19.000 Twitter?

01:11:20.000 I'll search for it on Twitter.

01:11:20.000 Can I read Trump's statement?

01:11:21.000 Is that okay?

01:11:22.000 Yeah. 0.61

01:11:23.000 Okay, wow, District Attorney Bragg just illegally leaked the various points and complete information on the pathetic indictment against me. 0.61

01:11:30.000 Keep reading, keep reading.

01:11:31.000 Okay, all right, great.

01:11:32.000 I know the reporter, and so unfortunately does he.

01:11:34.000 This means that he must be immediately indicted.

01:11:36.000 So he's calling for an indictment of Bragg.

01:11:38.000 Now, if he really wants to clean up his reputation, he will do the honorable thing and, as district attorney, indict himself.

01:11:45.000 Well, where is the leak?

01:11:47.000 Well, I don't think he leaks.

01:11:48.000 He links to the leak, but I'm sure it's on Twitter somewhere.

01:11:50.000 He will go down in judicial history and his Trump-hating wife will be, I'm sure, very proud of him.

01:11:57.000 D.A.

01:11:57.000 Bragg just illegally leaked a 33-point indictment.

01:12:00.000 There are no changes or surprises from those he leaked days ago out of the grand jury.

01:12:04.000 No crime by Trump.

01:12:05.000 What a mess.

01:12:06.000 Bragg should resign now.

01:12:07.000 This says 34 felony counts for falsification of business records.

01:12:11.000 Felonies.

01:12:12.000 Yeah, 34 felonies.

01:12:13.000 None of these accounts are misdemeanors.

01:12:16.000 But they upgraded it due to the election stuff.

01:12:22.000 The campaign finance regulation.

01:12:24.000 So they applied a federal law to a state statute.

01:12:27.000 These are legal calisthenics. 1.00

01:12:28.000 This whole thing is so dumb. 0.98

01:12:29.000 Yeah, and what I think is funny too is that it would be a campaign contribution. 1.00

01:12:33.000 For a federal race.

01:12:34.000 Right.

01:12:35.000 Which is governed by the Federal Election Commission, not the New York DA. 0.99

01:12:39.000 But also the idea that President Trump's campaign would have been adversely affected by him allegedly having had a relationship with a porn star is also ridiculous. 0.96

01:12:50.000 I don't think anyone would have cared about that. 0.55

01:12:52.000 Like, I don't think that suppressing that information was necessarily helpful to the campaign.

01:12:56.000 There's so many attack vectors here that are just so silly.

01:12:58.000 Yeah, there are a lot of them.

01:12:59.000 So it was class E felonies, which is the lowest level of felonies in New York State. 0.96

01:13:04.000 I'm just going to challenge everyone, do not fall for this 34 count garbage.

01:13:07.000 So it's like if there's one financial crime and then they send out a massive

01:13:10.000 deal to 34 people, they could be like, oh, that's 34.

01:13:13.000 But the 34 thing is a total PR move to try to get you to believe that this is a much

01:13:19.000 harsher, more serious crime. I'll give you an example. Let's think of a crime that—

01:13:23.000 And there's going to be no handcuffs and no mugs.

01:13:25.000 Let me think of a crime that we all know of that I could give you a really good example of.

01:13:29.000 Okay, O.J.

01:13:30.000 Simpson, okay?

01:13:31.000 He did it, but that's a separate issue.

01:13:33.000 But you could have a 400-count indictment for fleeing the police and running a red light and, you know, he was in the Dodge Durango—remember that white Dodge Durango or whatever he was in?

01:13:43.000 Yeah, that Bronco.

01:13:44.000 Right?

01:13:44.000 Bronco.

01:13:45.000 Bronco, I'm sorry.

01:13:46.000 Thank you for the fact check.

01:13:48.000 That would be a 400-count indictment, right?

01:13:51.000 But it's really centered on One or two events.

01:13:54.000 Does that make sense?

01:13:55.000 So you can extend an indictment.

01:13:58.000 Again, this is why prosecutorial overreach is so incredibly, you know, severe and such a danger to our society is that this 34 count thing is a PR masterpiece.

01:14:11.000 Because if Donald Trump was indicted on one count, but 34 sounds serious, did he break in?

01:14:16.000 Did he embezzle money?

01:14:17.000 Did he also do wire fraud?

01:14:19.000 And remember, a lot of the statutes in the way the criminal code is written is not about the actual crime itself.

01:14:26.000 Usually it's about all the supporting different criminal codes they can get that you tripped the wire in the process of committing the crime, right?

01:14:35.000 The old adage is that they got Al Capone on taxes.

01:14:38.000 That's a bad example.

01:14:39.000 The better one is that they've overwritten the criminal code.

01:14:42.000 They've deepened it to such an extent.

01:14:44.000 Wire fraud, check fraud, you know, falsification of records, lying under oath, obstruction of justice, that eventually it creates these counts that can give the prosecutor an advantage.

01:14:55.000 Does that make sense?

01:14:56.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:14:57.000 It's like having your bank account go to negative and then every day you make a payment and you just keep getting these negative charges over and over and over again, but it's really only because that one— No, that's— Say it was done unjustly.

01:15:08.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:15:09.000 That's a good example.

01:15:10.000 And so this 33-34 count thing is brilliant.

01:15:14.000 Have we found the leaked indictment or is Trump just— I think it was Jesse Watters who was reporting on it.

01:15:18.000 I haven't found anything on Twitter.

01:15:20.000 Why would he leak it to Jesse Watters?

01:15:23.000 Well, I don't know, there's a post going around of Jesse Waters.

01:15:26.000 It's not that he's showing it, that he's saying it happened.

01:15:28.000 He may be just referring to what Trump said.

01:15:30.000 So I've not seen anything on Twitter.

01:15:33.000 I searched for it, didn't find any.

01:15:35.000 Searched Google, Twitter, I didn't find anything.

01:15:37.000 So, you know, maybe it's circulating among journalists.

01:15:40.000 But you see what I mean.

01:15:41.000 You saw the statement he wrote.

01:15:43.000 Right.

01:15:45.000 Yeah, Jesse Waters apparently, I think, was just quoting Trump, perhaps, saying that there's more evidence that Bragg committed a felony than Trump.

01:15:51.000 Okay, well Trump seems pretty forceful in this statement.

01:15:54.000 And Waters was on air two hours ago, so I don't think that's right.

01:15:57.000 I think that Trump just got a heads up from a reporter that this indictment's about to drop in a story.

01:16:01.000 Or a reporter emailed his team saying, we've got the indictment.

01:16:04.000 I know the reporter, and unfortunately does he.

01:16:06.000 It's Maggie Haberman, I can almost guarantee it.

01:16:08.000 There's only so many reporters he knows that he would say he knows.

01:16:11.000 I will put money, it's Maggie Haberman.

01:16:13.000 If I'm wrong, I will finish this glass of water.

01:16:15.000 Would Bragg have just given a reporter the indictment?

01:16:18.000 Tough bet, Charlie.

01:16:19.000 Think about it.

01:16:20.000 How many reporters has proximity to the DA's office on this beat that works the New York circuit and also knows Trump?

01:16:26.000 That narrows it down to Maggie Haberman.

01:16:29.000 There's other reporters too, but smart money's on Maggie Haberman about to drop a story, so I would keep your eye on her Twitter feed. 1.00

01:16:35.000 Yeah.

01:16:36.000 I could be wrong.

01:16:37.000 I could be wrong.

01:16:37.000 It could be the worst take ever, but that's just based on his statement.

01:16:40.000 He probably got an email to his press office.

01:16:43.000 Hi, this is Maggie Hamer with the New York Times.

01:16:45.000 Just wondering if you have any last-minute comment here.

01:16:47.000 You know, we just received the indictment in full, and then he's trying to preempt it with his statement.

01:16:51.000 That's my guess.

01:16:53.000 He says it's a felony to leak an indictment?

01:16:56.000 I have no idea.

01:16:57.000 I mean, the New York Times, via Haberman, remember, received Donald Trump's tax returns in October 2020 illegally and was never held criminally accountable for that.

01:17:06.000 The same thing they went after James O'Keefe for, remember?

01:17:08.000 They raided James O'Keefe's apartment for allegedly receiving A diary, which is not even... They said it was stolen.

01:17:16.000 Yeah, stolen, even though government tax returns are a much higher privacy threshold than a private diary that you obviously didn't care enough about to get out of a halfway house.

01:17:25.000 It was a halfway house she was in?

01:17:26.000 Or like a recovery home?

01:17:27.000 It was some like roommate or whatever situation.

01:17:29.000 Yeah, I don't mean to slander her, but yeah, I mean some sort of thing.

01:17:33.000 So we'll see, but my guess is you're going to see a story drop here rather momentarily.

01:17:37.000 That's me reading between the lines.

01:17:40.000 I don't know.

01:17:40.000 That's my guess.

01:17:41.000 I could be totally wrong.

01:17:43.000 It could be CNN, by the way.

01:17:44.000 They were leaking to CNN previously, too.

01:17:46.000 But my guess is that Trump says I know him.

01:17:48.000 Remember, Maggie got several Oval Office interviews with Trump and that's one of his, you know.

01:17:53.000 That's one of his, uh, you know, and by the way, we have to remember that if the foundational crime allegation against Trump falls apart, all of the 33 charges crumble.

01:18:03.000 So if you're able to get to the essence of the charge, which is did Donald Trump break finance campaign finance law by administering $130,000 payments?

01:18:13.000 Let's go through the fact.

01:18:14.000 Can I go through the facts surrounding this, Tim?

01:18:15.000 Is that helpful?

01:18:17.000 Okay.

01:18:17.000 First of all, he did not write the check.

01:18:18.000 Michael Cohen did.

01:18:20.000 Michael Cohen is not a trustworthy witness. This guy— Oh, it's Michael—it's Michael Isikoff.

01:18:24.000 Isikoff? From the Washington Post?

01:18:25.000 Drink the water!

01:18:28.000 I gotta drink this water. I was wrong.

01:18:30.000 That was your bet.

01:18:31.000 You know, if you drink more than four ounces of water at a time,

01:18:33.000 it makes you feel like you have to— But I was right about the fact that a reporter was about to

01:18:36.000 drop it.

01:18:37.000 It's with Yahoo News.

01:18:38.000 Yahoo News?

01:18:40.000 This is exclusive Trump-to-be-charged Tuesday with 34 felony counts but spared handcuffs and mugshot.

01:18:47.000 That doesn't sound like an exclusive.

01:18:49.000 Spared mugshot?

01:18:50.000 The mugshot would have made him so much money.

01:18:52.000 When was that published?

01:18:53.000 That was published an hour ago.

01:18:55.000 Yeah, just a little bit ago.

01:18:57.000 But are you sure this is where they actually got the leak?

01:19:00.000 This doesn't look like... A source told Yahoo News.

01:19:02.000 This just came out at 8-12.

01:19:06.000 You don't think that's the thing?

01:19:06.000 Because they have his statement in here.

01:19:08.000 I could be wrong.

01:19:09.000 I want a copy.

01:19:10.000 I want a DocuCloud upload.

01:19:14.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:19:15.000 Exactly.

01:19:16.000 But here's the other facts.

01:19:18.000 Michael Cohen administered the payment.

01:19:21.000 Michael Cohen wrote in an official letter to the FEC, the Federal Election Commission, That this payment was on his own behalf and Donald Trump never reimbursed him.

01:19:30.000 So the question will be, do they have a record of Donald Trump reimbursing Michael Cohen for a sum or a like sum that could convince a jury that that Michael Cohen lied to the FEC?

01:19:39.000 He lies all the time.

01:19:40.000 The third thing, there's nothing illegal about administering an NDA.

01:19:44.000 There's nothing illegal to it.

01:19:46.000 Bill Clinton did it all the time.

01:19:47.000 CEOs did it all the time.

01:19:48.000 Rappers do it all the time, right? 0.99

01:19:50.000 It's done quite frequently.

01:19:52.000 Half of companies do it.

01:19:53.000 It might be the Isikoff story, which would be strange.

01:19:56.000 He's saying that they're class E felonies, so falsifying business records, up to four

01:20:00.000 years in prison.

01:20:01.000 The New York law enforcement says it is extremely unlikely a first-time offender would see jail

01:20:06.000 time.

01:20:06.000 There will be no arrest.

01:20:08.000 There will be no cuffs.

01:20:09.000 There will be no mugshot.

01:20:11.000 Are there going to be cameras in the courtroom?

01:20:13.000 The attorneys asked today to not have cameras in the courtroom.

01:20:16.000 Yeah.

01:20:16.000 Trump's saying he doesn't want it.

01:20:18.000 Yeah.

01:20:18.000 And remember, Isikoff was one of the original Steele dossier leak stories, remember?

01:20:21.000 So he has an in to law enforcement and intel agencies.

01:20:25.000 But anyway, the whole the crux of the argument with Trump will come down to intent and also the quality of their witnesses.

01:20:33.000 I don't know who Alvin Bragg is going to bring, you know, call to testify.

01:20:37.000 Other than like Cohen?

01:20:38.000 Yeah, Michael Cohen, who's a convicted liar, went to jail for lying in front of Congress.

01:20:43.000 And so, you know, this thing, if they can, if the elemental charge, which is falsification of business records, right, is the whole ballgame here.

01:20:53.000 Regarding, did he pay Cohen back for it?

01:20:55.000 I saw a check a year later paid for $35,000.

01:20:57.000 It was a $130,000 payment.

01:20:59.000 He paid Cohen.

01:21:01.000 Trump paid Cohen $35,000.

01:21:01.000 And he was doing other business with Cohen, so how can you draw a one-to-one?

01:21:05.000 It's all on Cohen's testimony.

01:21:07.000 And remember, Cohen's own lawyer, Costello or something, this guy went on Tucker, he was very persuasive, said Cohen's a liar. 0.61

01:21:13.000 And Cohen's such a liar that he goes and signs away his attorney-client privilege. 0.97

01:21:19.000 So that his lawyer then is able to go on television and say, yeah, everything he told us under attorney-client seal, let me just tell you, this guy's a complete liar. 0.93

01:21:27.000 They added the statement after the story dropped.

01:21:30.000 Oh, is that right?

01:21:30.000 This is likely the story.

01:21:31.000 They probably reached out to Trump's team and said, OK, it's Michael Isikoff, so it's not Maggie Haberman.

01:21:36.000 Stand corrected.

01:21:37.000 Chief Gorsuch.

01:21:38.000 It was a good guess, though.

01:21:39.000 Maggie was a good guess. 0.99

01:21:40.000 A spokesman for Trump's legal team has not seen the indictment or been briefed on the details.

01:21:46.000 Yeah, I don't know if they actually have a copy of the indictment, though.

01:21:49.000 That seems really weird.

01:21:50.000 Why does he work for Yahoo News?

01:21:56.000 They must pay well.

01:21:58.000 I guess.

01:21:59.000 I thought they were just an aggregator.

01:22:01.000 No, I guess they're doing their own stuff now.

01:22:02.000 Well, yeah, they got a scoop.

01:22:03.000 Apparently.

01:22:04.000 I don't think it's really a scoop.

01:22:06.000 There's nothing new here.

01:22:08.000 Yeah, Jack Posobiec has a tweet.

01:22:09.000 He said that we've, you know, I'll paraphrase, the country is irrevocably damaged.

01:22:15.000 There's not coming back from this.

01:22:16.000 Yeah, I think that's right.

01:22:17.000 I don't agree with that.

01:22:18.000 It's just we've seen how damaged it's been over the last 70 years by the banking, Federal Reservists, you know, the way they've made the Federal Reserve is scandalous. 1.00

01:22:26.000 The way that they went to that island and had Congress sign it over Christmas.

01:22:29.000 Sure, the creature of Jekyll Island.

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:31.000 And speaking about what's going on today, we've never seen anything like this happen to a former president.

01:22:36.000 And there's no question it's political unless, of course, you gain from it politically.

01:22:41.000 I think that confirms my argument.

01:22:44.000 Democrat politicos are going to say it's not political because they benefit from it.

01:22:48.000 End of story.

01:22:49.000 When people see like, oh look how horrible this country has become, for instance, with this banking Scandal, you know, where our country looks like it's on its way to bankruptcy.

01:22:58.000 You got to ask yourself, do you want to maintain this country now?

01:23:02.000 And I think that what helps is perspective, because I was just watching about North Korea last night.

01:23:07.000 And, you know, it's very possible that Otto Warmbier story, he came back all comatose.

01:23:12.000 They think they just the North Korean government just poisoned him and sent him back so that he couldn't talk.

01:23:16.000 They just killed him in prison. 0.58

01:23:18.000 They poisoned him. 0.70

01:23:19.000 Bioweapons.

01:23:20.000 Like, that's the other side of the coin.

01:23:23.000 If we lose this republic, Well, and the what was it the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, which one is that?

01:23:31.000 His daughter wore a Dior, like a whole Dior ensemble to watch a missile test recently.

01:23:37.000 I love it.

01:23:39.000 Which is like, there it is terrifyingly concerning.

01:23:42.000 You know, when cult of personality goes out of control and one person gets control of a small and she gets Dior outfits and everybody else is starving.

01:23:50.000 So, you know, rule of law, law and order.

01:23:53.000 It's not just law.

01:23:54.000 It's law and order.

01:23:55.000 If your law produces chaos, then it's a bad law.

01:23:57.000 So if the country is irrevocably damaged, if there's no coming back from it, then what?

01:24:02.000 We need to create something new.

01:24:03.000 There's no going back.

01:24:04.000 What people need to do is make money, have families.

01:24:08.000 Do virtuous things repeatedly.

01:24:10.000 Do virtuous things.

01:24:11.000 Repeatedly and daily and be disciplined and anchored to things that are beautiful.

01:24:15.000 Self-sufficiency.

01:24:16.000 Being as self-sufficient as possible.

01:24:18.000 And then find someone who's legally allowed to give you financial advice and have conversations about what do we do in these trying times.

01:24:26.000 So I was thinking about the question we were talking about with Colorado or the trans kids in California, and really these are not legal questions.

01:24:35.000 I mean, we can pass all kinds of laws, we can enforce all kinds of laws, but this is a problem that exists in people's hearts, you know?

01:24:42.000 Yes, that's my point about the Civil War.

01:24:44.000 Yeah, that's a big issue here.

01:24:45.000 Like, if you have a woman who, to use your first example, is going to spite a man that she once loved by murdering their eight-month-old child before it's born. But this happens

01:24:54.000 all the time. There was a story just recently. Right, but what I'm saying is that's a problem in

01:24:58.000 someone's heart. That's not something a law can fix. That's something that's about the decline of

01:25:03.000 morality, the decline of values, the decline of love, you know? Here you go.

01:25:09.000 The decline of life.

01:25:12.000 Literally just Google-searched what you said.

01:25:14.000 VA mom who killed daughters in plot to exact revenge on husband and called to tell him gets 78 years. 0.99

01:25:20.000 She shot them in their beds. 0.69

01:25:22.000 She drugged them and shot them in their beds. 0.89

01:25:24.000 This story, I saw this story horrifying.

01:25:26.000 Five days ago.

01:25:27.000 Yes.

01:25:27.000 Five, six days ago.

01:25:28.000 So when we're talking about states that allow the killing of children and states that don't, my fear Is that you will get a father who will say something as simply as, she has no right to take my son and kill him.

01:25:45.000 I'm gonna get the boys together and we're gonna go and stop her from doing it. 0.82

01:25:49.000 They're not gonna- I'm not saying they're gonna come out and get guns and be like, it's time to ride boys!

01:25:54.000 I'm saying they're going to be like, let's go find out where she is and stop her from killing my kid, and that's going to escalate from there.

01:26:00.000 The state's going to be like, she's allowed to kill your kid, too bad. 1.00

01:26:04.000 And I'm talking about a point at which the child is viable and can survive outside the womb. 0.81

01:26:08.000 And the husband's saying, just let's, instead of killing it, let's just deliver it and then I'll take the baby.

01:26:13.000 And she says, nope, it's going to die now.

01:26:15.000 This woman goes to prison because the babies were Five and fifteen. 1.00

01:26:21.000 But a baby that is viable of living on its own can be killed in these states.

01:26:27.000 I am not arguing the morality of abortion.

01:26:29.000 For those that are listening, I am arguing simply that there will be a distinct... I agree with your vocabulary, though.

01:26:34.000 You're using the proper wording.

01:26:36.000 Well, but if a baby can survive on its own, then it's being killed.

01:26:40.000 That's correct.

01:26:40.000 I agree, Tim.

01:26:42.000 If you have a father who says, I want the baby to live, and a woman who says, no, don't care, the state lets me do it, you've got a very serious moral crisis on your hands that's not going to be solved by a court order. 0.97

01:26:53.000 Yes, that's correct.

01:26:54.000 Every law can be passed, every judge can bang their gavel, and the father might still say, you will not kill my son.

01:27:02.000 Yes, and there will be a multitude of these issues that are going to come to the front.

01:27:06.000 And the question will be, is the Constitution still the law of the land?

01:27:11.000 And it's crumbling in front of our eyes.

01:27:13.000 It's terrifying.

01:27:15.000 The Constitution is the greatest political document ever written, and we are in a post-constitutional moment.

01:27:21.000 It's brilliant.

01:27:22.000 The Founding Fathers, man.

01:27:25.000 Because they built it on eternal wisdom.

01:27:27.000 And they knew central banks were so dangerous.

01:27:29.000 Yes, they did.

01:27:30.000 Well, even the National Bank was not technically a central bank, so you're correct.

01:27:33.000 Even Hamilton's idea of a central bank would be different than what our idea of a central bank is.

01:27:37.000 Were they like, they run it out of Switzerland?

01:27:39.000 Some foreign bank for international settlements?

01:27:41.000 Well, downtown Manhattan.

01:27:43.000 It's subservient to the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland.

01:27:45.000 Hamilton's idea of a national bank would have had actual checks and balances by Congress, not a separately chartered Federal Reserve I understand that there is a value of cohesion and having a unified currency as a country.

01:27:55.000 It gives us national identity.

01:27:56.000 Even Hamilton would have found this current banking system objectionable.

01:28:00.000 I understand that there is a value of cohesion and having a unified currency as a country.

01:28:05.000 It gives us national identity.

01:28:06.000 We can all identify with the dollar, but we're in a society where you can create your own

01:28:10.000 currency very easily with crypto.

01:28:13.000 So maybe we just need to, the whole Congress handles money, obviously they don't, the banking scandals offshore, SVB.

01:28:20.000 Welcome to Bitcoin.

01:28:21.000 We've got Sam Bankman free, yeah, laundering money through it, allegedly through his company.

01:28:26.000 And now like, so maybe we should be able to all create our own currencies.

01:28:29.000 I know it creates dissolution in some way nationally, you know, Or Bitcoin is the decentralized store of value that people are already using.

01:28:37.000 It's one of them, but there's thousands.

01:28:39.000 And you can create them on the fly.

01:28:42.000 It's going to be messy for a while.

01:28:44.000 The dollar is necessary, though, right now.

01:28:47.000 You think we're divided now?

01:28:48.000 Wait until everyone has their own currency.

01:28:50.000 Wait until Brazil and China have already cut a deal.

01:28:54.000 Saudi Arabia and Iran are cutting a deal.

01:28:56.000 China's brokering deals to end the petrodollar.

01:28:58.000 Americans are in for a very, very rude awakening.

01:29:01.000 It would impoverish this country.

01:29:03.000 Yes.

01:29:04.000 Empower is an understatement.

01:29:05.000 Where do you get your plastics?

01:29:06.000 I don't know.

01:29:07.000 I don't know how you would go beyond impoverishing.

01:29:09.000 I'm concerned about that.

01:29:09.000 Decimate.

01:29:10.000 Apocalypse.

01:29:11.000 How about that?

01:29:12.000 Economic apocalypse.

01:29:13.000 Although apocalypse isn't necessarily bad.

01:29:14.000 It just means like the great awakening, the great uncovering.

01:29:17.000 Well, it means starvation.

01:29:20.000 You know, apocalypse.

01:29:21.000 In Greek?

01:29:21.000 I think it means the... I'm not talking about Greek, I'm talking about... Apocalypse?

01:29:24.000 Disclosure!

01:29:25.000 Disclosure!

01:29:25.000 I'm talking about the, you know, what could happen if we lose the... It is apocalypse!

01:29:29.000 This is apocalypse!

01:29:30.000 We now have the... We mean it in modern English terms, which is... They take a negative connotation, maybe because it's near the end of the story in the Bible, is that why?

01:29:39.000 Probably, yeah.

01:29:40.000 But in reality, now we're just, it's becoming disclosed.

01:29:43.000 The curtain has been lifted.

01:29:44.000 We see the chaos.

01:29:45.000 We know what the Federal Reserve is now, that they formed it behind the scenes in 1913.

01:29:49.000 Not everyone knows, but you do.

01:29:51.000 It's being revealed daily to new people.

01:29:54.000 Trump was part of that.

01:29:55.000 Steve Bannon's great at talking about it.

01:29:56.000 But yeah, and like, loose change, Luke Rudkowski, these people have been talking about it for 20 years.

01:30:00.000 So it is a form of apocalypse, not necessarily a bad thing.

01:30:03.000 What do we do with disclosure?

01:30:04.000 Don't let your mind go crazy.

01:30:06.000 Don't go crazy.

01:30:07.000 I understand why you may want to.

01:30:09.000 Because people are going to lose their jobs and they're not going to have any food or a way to feed their children.

01:30:13.000 And that's going to be a problem.

01:30:15.000 As a result of what?

01:30:16.000 As a result of the complete collapse of the petrodollar.

01:30:21.000 We don't make things.

01:30:22.000 We make some things.

01:30:25.000 Can I make the counter-argument to all the doomsdayers?

01:30:28.000 We make IPOs that don't actually have any products.

01:30:30.000 Well, that is true.

01:30:32.000 There's a lot of truth there.

01:30:33.000 So China only represents about 5% of our imports—not imports, that's not correct—our total economic output.

01:30:40.000 So we could survive without China. 0.99

01:30:42.000 But thankfully, the only benefit of this stupid proxy war in Ukraine is that we're actually on okay terms with Germany. 0.97

01:30:48.000 Even though Germany hates us right now, they're going to be fine with us. 0.98

01:30:50.000 Germany is a very productive country. They make stuff.

01:30:53.000 Germany makes stuff. And Germany is basically a proxy sister economy of America, right? They

01:30:58.000 use the dollar as the world reserve currency. The euro is backed by the dollar. Japan, they 0.94

01:31:02.000 make stuff. Japan and America are inseparable, especially with their Chinese skepticism. 0.65

01:31:07.000 South Korea, they make stuff.

01:31:08.000 They're inseparable. The open question is what is India going to do? That should be the whole focus,

01:31:13.000 quite honestly, of this current government, is to make sure India does not fall into the

01:31:17.000 good graces of Russia or China.

01:31:19.000 They're natural adversaries of China. 0.92

01:31:20.000 Shouldn't be a hard problem.

01:31:21.000 They hate the Chinese. 1.00

01:31:22.000 They've never liked each other.

01:31:24.000 There's natural built-in tension there.

01:31:26.000 And there's a massive developing market in Southeast Asia That hates China.

01:31:30.000 They hate the CCP.

01:31:31.000 They want to use the dollar.

01:31:32.000 Indonesia is a fast-growing country.

01:31:33.000 The Philippines.

01:31:35.000 You have Vietnam. 0.98

01:31:36.000 You have Cambodia. 0.98

01:31:36.000 You have Laos. 0.98

01:31:37.000 These are fast-developing countries with very industrious people, with ever-increasing private property rights, which is a prerequisite to wealth creation.

01:31:44.000 And be careful what you ask for.

01:31:45.000 The yuan is manipulated.

01:31:47.000 China's economy is largely built on a Potemkin village.

01:31:49.000 You're right.

01:31:50.000 We don't make stuff.

01:31:51.000 But this idea that China has this beast waiting to go economically, They're a house of cards, too.

01:31:58.000 But it's not just about China, it's about the fact that we have been giving away our manufacturing for a long time.

01:32:02.000 No, of course.

01:32:03.000 Even Mexico.

01:32:03.000 I totally agree with that, but I think we can onshore that a lot quicker because we have the natural production, meaning we have the natural production capability, we have natural resources, right?

01:32:12.000 So let's just say China cuts us off, okay? 0.93

01:32:14.000 Let's say they say, no more vitamin C. Okay, we could ramp up vitamin C production in this country in 10 months.

01:32:19.000 If we wanted to, we could do it.

01:32:22.000 Well, Trump had that idea of starting to bring a lot of— Penicillin should not be made in China.

01:32:26.000 All that stuff home.

01:32:27.000 He had ideas for, like, Kodak factories upstate New York.

01:32:29.000 That's right.

01:32:30.000 You make vitamin C out of black mold, of all things.

01:32:33.000 Is that right?

01:32:33.000 Yeah.

01:32:34.000 I mean, the good stuff comes from fruit.

01:32:35.000 A sorbic acid.

01:32:36.000 Yeah, a sorbic acid.

01:32:37.000 Unless it says naturally derived in the ingredients, from what I'm told, it comes from black mold.

01:32:41.000 That's creepy.

01:32:42.000 Asperligus Negro is what it's called. 0.96

01:32:43.000 That's interesting.

01:32:44.000 Yeah, I prefer it for my oranges.

01:32:46.000 Yeah, there's no reason why we have to get that from China.

01:32:48.000 But I think that this rush away from the dollar is going to flatline.

01:32:53.000 We need regime change in America. 0.97

01:32:54.000 Biden's got to go.

01:32:55.000 Trump could fix this in a second and he would fix this.

01:32:57.000 Agreed.

01:32:57.000 But there is a backstop here that I think.

01:33:00.000 Brazil's a broken country. 0.71

01:33:01.000 The bulls on Brazil have been wrong for years.

01:33:04.000 If you go look up Brazil's GDP, it's spiked and it's been going down with the new Lula regime.

01:33:09.000 Bolsonaro just went home.

01:33:10.000 Yeah, and that's going to be an open question.

01:33:12.000 We're going to go to Super Chats.

01:33:14.000 They're so important, and they were a British colony, and we need to take them seriously.

01:33:17.000 India's the key to the whole program.

01:33:19.000 We're going to go to Super Chats.

01:33:20.000 India's the key.

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01:34:01.000 All right, we have Vision667 who says, open carry still illegal in Florida unless you are carrying a fishing pole.

01:34:07.000 You can open carry on your way to and or from a fishing expedition.

01:34:11.000 Oh.

01:34:12.000 That's strange, but they just signed concealed carry.

01:34:14.000 I thought that they did that, yeah.

01:34:15.000 Concealed carry, not open.

01:34:16.000 Concealed is different than open.

01:34:18.000 So permitless concealed carry, is that what it is?

01:34:20.000 Yeah, that was Florida.

01:34:22.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

01:34:24.000 Is it now?

01:34:25.000 I think DeSantis just signed it.

01:34:30.000 Constitutional carry should be the law of the land in all 50 states.

01:34:33.000 I completely agree.

01:34:36.000 Because, like, I was thinking—actually, when we did AM Fest— Concealed carry without a permit, wow.

01:34:40.000 I think at AM Fest there was security, or it might have even been due to the city.

01:34:43.000 Couldn't have guns in there.

01:34:44.000 And I said on stage, with all of us there, I would rather everyone in that audience be armed, because it's my choice to be here to speak in front of people, and I shouldn't be allowed to disarm Hundreds of people.

01:34:57.000 Now granted, a private establishment I think has the rights to say, we don't want guns in our premises.

01:35:03.000 My point is, ideologically and personally, I would never tell a crowd of people, you can't defend yourselves because I'm scared of maybe one of you.

01:35:10.000 Nah.

01:35:11.000 I just won't go on stage if I'm ever scared.

01:35:13.000 But you know what?

01:35:14.000 Hey, someone might do something crazy.

01:35:15.000 Welcome to the real world. 0.99

01:35:16.000 It sucks. 0.87

01:35:17.000 I don't like it, but I'm not gonna infringe upon someone else's rights because a criminal may exist. 0.98

01:35:21.000 It's just crazy to me, you know?

01:35:22.000 And we must be very clear about what is the purpose of the Second Amendment.

01:35:25.000 The Second Amendment is there for individual people to protect themselves against tyranny.

01:35:30.000 against a usurpatious government. There is a price to all things. The cost of having a Second

01:35:35.000 Amendment is tragically, you're going to have some numbskulls misuse that. Therefore, the prudent 0.85

01:35:40.000 thing to do is to protect what you care about with armed guards, schools, every school should have an

01:35:45.000 armed guard. And people say, oh, Charlie, does that mean you want the militarization of our country?

01:35:49.000 Our airports are militarized. Our banks are militarized.

01:35:51.000 Our sporting events are militarized.

01:35:53.000 It should be okay to protect our kids.

01:35:55.000 Yes. I mean, our kids can have an armed guard outside there.

01:35:57.000 I don't think that's going to faze anybody in any sort of damaging way. 0.91

01:36:01.000 I think that's a silly argument.

01:36:02.000 So, Tim, you mentioned we should get ex-military to like one soldier because they need jobs.

01:36:07.000 Yep.

01:36:08.000 The Red says, I remember the media making fun of Trump for having two scoops of ice cream at a state dinner.

01:36:12.000 Since Biden took office, there have been zero ice cream related fax checks.

01:36:16.000 I don't know if I believe that.

01:36:18.000 Biden's always getting ice cream.

01:36:19.000 Yeah, it's a lot of ice cream.

01:36:20.000 A lot of ice cream.

01:36:21.000 Sugar, man.

01:36:22.000 You do know that ice cream helps people with dementia.

01:36:24.000 Not a joke.

01:36:25.000 Look it up.

01:36:26.000 Fact check.

01:36:27.000 Can you quote Biden?

01:36:29.000 It releases dopamine and serotonin.

01:36:32.000 It's fantastic.

01:36:33.000 It is wonderful.

01:36:34.000 It relaxes, I think, the prefrontal cortex and makes people with dementia more present.

01:36:38.000 I'm not kidding.

01:36:38.000 You should fact check it.

01:36:39.000 Type in ice cream dementia.

01:36:41.000 All right, Joe Spinella says the judge in the Rittenhouse case is a Democrat and Democrat-appointed judge.

01:36:49.000 But was it the jury?

01:36:50.000 Wasn't it the jury that returned the acquittal?

01:36:52.000 Yes, but remember how fair that judge was to Kyle, Tim.

01:36:56.000 Uh-huh.

01:36:57.000 So it just kind of validates my point.

01:36:59.000 You think the judge was fair?

01:37:01.000 To Kyle Rittenhouse?

01:37:02.000 Yeah.

01:37:02.000 Of course.

01:37:02.000 Remember how that judge scorned the prosecution and said, you don't put this garbage in our courtroom and this is not—he almost threw the entire trial out because the prosecution was basically angling for a mistrial.

01:37:12.000 All right. 0.55

01:37:13.000 Remember how that guy ended up getting called Lunchbox?

01:37:15.000 Yep.

01:37:15.000 I mean, my concern is that there was very obvious manipulated evidence.

01:37:20.000 There was direct evidence of evidence tampering.

01:37:23.000 And the video footage from the drone was clearly AI generated.

01:37:26.000 And they allowed all of that.

01:37:27.000 And that was shocking to me.

01:37:29.000 I think that's a fair counterpoint.

01:37:30.000 If I remember correctly, I'm drawing from memory, the judge also challenged a fair amount.

01:37:35.000 Remember the prosecutorial questioning where they were leading the questioner?

01:37:39.000 And the judge says, you know better than that.

01:37:40.000 You don't do that.

01:37:41.000 That was a harsh And that was publicly televised.

01:37:45.000 That was a condemnation.

01:37:46.000 There was a video of... What was it?

01:37:51.000 There was editing software.

01:37:53.000 That's correct.

01:37:53.000 On his desktop.

01:37:55.000 And it's like, you know.

01:37:56.000 Handbrake.

01:37:56.000 I think it was called handbrake.

01:37:57.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:37:58.000 I can't remember the exact details.

01:37:59.000 So that just proves my point, Tim.

01:38:01.000 The prosecution in that particular case crumbled when people like Tim Kast and Posobiec and Drew Hernandez started to do what you guys do in post-Millennium Human Events.

01:38:11.000 As soon as all these different angles started to be examined, it went viral and the local prosecution crumbled.

01:38:18.000 I think there's an element of that.

01:38:19.000 These guys are not ready for prime time at the local DA's office in New York.

01:38:22.000 They're not.

01:38:23.000 They're going to be sloppy in how they write indictments.

01:38:25.000 They're going to be sloppy how they cover evidence.

01:38:27.000 And we're going to see everything.

01:38:29.000 We're going to expose it.

01:38:30.000 And they're going to be uncomfortable because the national media is going to be covering every turn.

01:38:33.000 Is that going to be enough to keep Trump out of jail?

01:38:35.000 Maybe.

01:38:36.000 Alright, Cody Griffin says, Tim, we must stop with this Trump vs. DeSantis fake feud.

01:38:41.000 It is designed to divide us because we fully recognize the common enemy.

01:38:44.000 If Trump, DeSantis, and Lake teamed up, they would be unstoppable.

01:38:47.000 I agree.

01:38:48.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:38:50.000 I don't think there's a reason to... Look, I think Trump and DeSantis going head-to-head could be the most beneficial thing for the Republicans going forward in that they both would make each other stronger.

01:39:02.000 Competition will breed that growth, in my opinion.

01:39:05.000 There's no reason to make it dark, though.

01:39:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:08.000 It should be above board on the level.

01:39:11.000 DeSantis can be like, here's why I disagree with Trump.

01:39:14.000 Trump can say, here's the issue with DeSantis.

01:39:15.000 And if Trump does it tactfully and DeSantis does as well, then both candidates become substantially more powerful.

01:39:21.000 Cleaner, better, more appealing, etc.

01:39:24.000 All right.

01:39:26.000 What do we got here?

01:39:28.000 The jaded Kriegsman says Republicans need to realize sometimes to fight your opponent you have to go down in the gutter with them.

01:39:34.000 We need to do to them what they do to us.

01:39:36.000 I think that's what you were saying was with the indictments.

01:39:38.000 Correct.

01:39:38.000 Criminally charge them.

01:39:39.000 Yes.

01:39:40.000 And there's plenty of crimes to go around.

01:39:42.000 Plenty.

01:39:43.000 Start with BLM. 0.52

01:39:44.000 All right, Pharrell 81 says, or Pharrell 81, question for Charlie.

01:39:49.000 What's the current progress on organizing legal ballot harvesting?

01:39:51.000 The GOP won't win in 2024 if it doesn't happen.

01:39:54.000 Doesn't matter the candidates or the issues, ballot harvesting needs to be the only goal.

01:39:58.000 Yeah, so ballot harvesting is not legal in the three states we need to win, but ballot chasing is.

01:40:03.000 It's a technical definition.

01:40:04.000 So you can't touch a ballot.

01:40:06.000 Now the Democrats do it all the time in Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin.

01:40:09.000 So Turning Point Action, we are building the most robust, sophisticated, and aggressive early vote operation.

01:40:15.000 I have a complete philosophical change on this.

01:40:17.000 I used to think everyone show up on election day, it's going to be great.

01:40:20.000 We've done a 180, we did an introspection, I'm not going to lose, we're playing to win.

01:40:24.000 So what is ballot chasing?

01:40:25.000 Ballot chasing is politely reminding and persuading people to go vote early, and you have a person with a thousand names, and you're going to chase those ballots until they're submitted.

01:40:36.000 And you have a 100 people doing that or 250 people doing that.

01:40:40.000 The Democrats have perfected this.

01:40:41.000 They are banking votes while we are hoping votes will happen.

01:40:46.000 While doing it as securely as possible for low propensity Republican voters.

01:40:51.000 With mail-in voting, which will still be in effect to a certain degree, because once people sign up in many states, they just keep getting them.

01:40:56.000 There's no reversing it.

01:40:57.000 It's like a welfare check.

01:40:58.000 All you do is knock on the door and say, hey, you should fill that out.

01:41:01.000 That's right.

01:41:01.000 And you encourage them.

01:41:02.000 You can't touch the ballot, but here's what you can do.

01:41:03.000 You can say, hey, you know, Sally Sue Marie, I know you're a registered Republican.

01:41:07.000 Oh, I hate Biden and all that.

01:41:08.000 And they'll say something like this.

01:41:09.000 What's the point in voting?

01:41:10.000 The system's so broke.

01:41:11.000 That's going to be the number one piece of persuasion.

01:41:14.000 And so if you can convince them that it's still a moral duty to vote and be like, hey, I can walk you to the mailbox or I can drive you to the voting processing center.

01:41:23.000 All of a sudden now you're actively involved in the process of banking votes.

01:41:27.000 I'll give you a simple one.

01:41:28.000 I call it we'll call it Trump's wager.

01:41:32.000 to somebody pascal's we have a little later you you knock on a door

01:41:36.000 and there is uh... middle-aged dude and you can see a stack of mail hey look at that a

01:41:41.000 universal mail-in vote was at his house

01:41:43.000 and he says look i hate by the but what's the point it's not gonna matter

01:41:46.000 anyway and i say this you don't vote

01:41:51.000 and it doesn't matter then you're fine

01:41:54.000 If you don't vote, but it does matter, you're helping Joe Biden.

01:41:58.000 That's the best way I heard it.

01:41:59.000 If you do vote, and it doesn't matter, then nothing happens, right?

01:42:04.000 If you do vote, and it does matter, you are stopping Joe Biden.

01:42:08.000 So, based on that wager, that grid, the only action that makes sense is to vote.

01:42:14.000 Your worst case scenario is you lose 30 seconds filling out that mail-in ballot.

01:42:19.000 Questions about voting, vote chasing.

01:42:22.000 You can't touch the ballot.

01:42:23.000 Not in those three states.

01:42:24.000 I imagine you can't put gloves on and pick up the ballot.

01:42:26.000 Can you pick up the person if the ballot is in their hand?

01:42:29.000 That's a good question.

01:42:30.000 I don't think so.

01:42:30.000 Misses Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin.

01:42:32.000 Can you push a wheelchair?

01:42:34.000 Yeah, so you can assist somebody in the transportation of going to a voting center.

01:42:38.000 So you can have somebody with their ballot get in your car and drive them there.

01:42:41.000 To a secure place to submit the ballot.

01:42:43.000 What about that thing on the ballot where it says, did someone help you fill this out and have them write on it too?

01:42:48.000 Yeah, that's an interesting question.

01:42:50.000 I don't know the answer to that, and so I'll have to find out.

01:42:55.000 I don't know the answer to that.

01:42:58.000 All right, let's see.

01:42:59.000 What do we have here?

01:43:00.000 Let me grab a super chat.

01:43:02.000 MA says, the left FBI will pretend to be Trump supporters tomorrow and start riots.

01:43:06.000 There will be many fake actors ready to put blame on MAGA.

01:43:09.000 I wouldn't be surprised.

01:43:10.000 I mean, we know for a fact there were cops yelling at people to go, go, go, keep going on the ground.

01:43:16.000 That's definitively reported.

01:43:18.000 We know that there were informants.

01:43:20.000 That's not definitively reported.

01:43:21.000 The New York Times reported there was an unusual number of informants involved in the Proud Boys.

01:43:26.000 That's right.

01:43:26.000 And then you have the questions of why Ray Epps?

01:43:30.000 What was it?

01:43:30.000 Someone tweeted, I think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene or somebody, that the FBI still has a picture of him as wanted, but they've totally now said he's fine.

01:43:38.000 I thought they took it off the website, didn't they?

01:43:39.000 I don't know, something like that.

01:43:42.000 So, whatever, I guess.

01:43:44.000 Yeah, I mean, look, the amount of federal involvement on January 6th remains a mystery.

01:43:50.000 Do you think it will always remain a mystery?

01:43:51.000 Do you think we'll ever have an answer?

01:43:52.000 No, I think that, look, when something corrupt happens, there's openings and attack vectors.

01:43:59.000 And there's a very easy attack vector.

01:44:02.000 And I mean that in the most moral way, meaning trying to expose the lies that no one has properly exploited.

01:44:08.000 The pipe bombs.

01:44:09.000 Yeah, you've mentioned this, Tim.

01:44:11.000 The pipe bombs are the low-hanging fruit.

01:44:14.000 Who planted those bombs?

01:44:15.000 Both at the RNC and the DNC.

01:44:17.000 It was obviously a federal agent.

01:44:18.000 The bombs never went off.

01:44:19.000 They haven't arrested anybody.

01:44:20.000 They don't have a suspect of interest.

01:44:22.000 They used geolocation cell phone ping technology to find grannies that took selfies in the Capitol. 0.99

01:44:27.000 Yet we don't have a suspect of interest for someone that could have created a smaller version of the Oklahoma City bombing at the RNC?

01:44:35.000 That's highly suspicious.

01:44:36.000 And so I've always said the pipe bombs are the key to the whole thing.

01:44:40.000 You uncover who planted the pipe bombs, you're going to find a whole treasure trove of answers.

01:44:44.000 They use the pipe bombs to, like, escalate charges?

01:44:48.000 No one's been arrested.

01:44:50.000 So remember, the RNC and DNC are about three blocks from Capitol Hill.

01:44:53.000 And as the story goes, apparently the night—you could fact check me—but the night before, the morning of, a suspicious character at both the RNC and the DNC drops off some bags on the outside of it that were pipe bombs and they never went off, they never

01:45:08.000 detonated. But remember the sequence of events that happened that day because it was all such a

01:45:12.000 blur. But as the quote unquote capital was being breached, almost simultaneously after Trump was,

01:45:18.000 we all got push notifications that pipe bombs were discovered at both the RNC and the DNC. And

01:45:24.000 that became a very de-emphasized part of the story, right? Which by the way, if those bombs

01:45:29.000 would have went off, would have been the most criminal intent that happened that entire day.

01:45:34.000 That's legitimate political terrorism.

01:45:36.000 Yeah.

01:45:38.000 Like actual political terrorism, not someone that gets heated and gets in a shoving match outside of the Capitol Rotunda, right?

01:45:44.000 Not someone that gets put into a mob frenzy.

01:45:46.000 Someone that goes through the intent of trying to create a pipe bomb and putting it outside of both the RNC and the DNC.

01:45:52.000 Who does that?

01:45:53.000 And not one person's been arrested.

01:45:55.000 We have no suspects of interest.

01:45:57.000 We haven't used the cell phone ping technology that we used to go find the grannies in the Capitol towards that. 1.00

01:46:02.000 You want the answers on January 6th and the Fed's involvement?

01:46:05.000 Look into the pipe bombs.

01:46:06.000 When you asked who does that, I was thinking, well, a foreigner. 1.00

01:46:08.000 It's the first time I've really thought that there would be foreign involvement with January 6th.

01:46:12.000 But it wouldn't surprise me to find that out.

01:46:14.000 If that's the case, I mean, maybe that's a foreign intelligence agency.

01:46:17.000 Maybe it's a foreign actor.

01:46:18.000 I have no idea.

01:46:19.000 The fact the bombs didn't go off, and how did they find them, too?

01:46:22.000 And why did they find them almost at the exact same time at the RNC and the DNC?

01:46:26.000 They found them like, oh, wow!

01:46:28.000 We were gardening here, and there's a bomb!

01:46:31.000 And what it did was it created a... Diversion.

01:46:34.000 A pretext for the evacuation of Congress.

01:46:37.000 That's right.

01:46:37.000 Congressional buildings an hour before... Oh, it would have caused panic amongst Congress.

01:46:40.000 No, to evacuate them one hour before the Capitol was actually breached to minimize actual harm to members of Congress.

01:46:46.000 So AOC told her famous story about they're here or whatever.

01:46:50.000 It was just a cop.

01:46:51.000 But her story took place an hour before the breach happened, so how would she have known anyone could get to her building?

01:46:56.000 Well, she just made that up.

01:46:57.000 She made up a lot of the details.

01:46:59.000 Either AOC had foreknowledge of what was going to happen at the Capitol, or she fabricated a story.

01:47:05.000 Well, I mean, AOC making up a story sounds more plausible.

01:47:08.000 No, of course.

01:47:09.000 But I don't think they would treat her, I don't think they would trust her with Deep state secrets of capital penetration.

01:47:14.000 She said that when the pounding came on her door, she thought that they got to her office and found her and that she was hiding in the bathroom.

01:47:19.000 That's a really interesting point.

01:47:20.000 I've never heard anyone make that point.

01:47:22.000 I've been screaming.

01:47:23.000 I don't watch it every night, Tim.

01:47:25.000 I'm sorry.

01:47:25.000 No, no, no.

01:47:25.000 I can't watch your show every night.

01:47:26.000 When this all went down, the Republicans all said AOC wasn't even in the Capitol building.

01:47:31.000 The media responded, yes, but they're all connected by tunnels.

01:47:34.000 And then I responded, except her story took place one hour before the Capitol was breached, so she would not have known the Capitol was breached.

01:47:40.000 She lied and made the story up. 0.99

01:47:42.000 She's a nasty person. 1.00

01:47:44.000 She could be a fed. 1.00

01:47:45.000 I think she's just evil. 0.92

01:47:46.000 I think she just decided to make up a fake story for social media points. 1.00

01:47:49.000 Did you see her allegedly burner account on Twitter?

01:47:52.000 Yeah, I don't know if I believe that either.

01:47:54.000 Zaza Smoker. 0.59

01:47:55.000 It would be real.

01:47:56.000 And I could make an account and then respond to someone tweeting at you, Libby, saying the exact same thing, then delete it, and everyone will be like, oh, look, Libby's account.

01:48:03.000 It's not proof of anything.

01:48:04.000 Pierre Delecta, wasn't that the name of Mitt Romney?

01:48:06.000 That was Mitt Romney, yeah.

01:48:08.000 But that was confirmed, wasn't it?

01:48:09.000 Yeah.

01:48:10.000 I'm saying it wouldn't be the first time a lawmaker had a burner account.

01:48:12.000 Right, right.

01:48:13.000 Yeah, it's funny when, you know, people claim that I'm running burners or whatever, like everyone's got one, but I don't even check my mentions on Twitter.

01:48:20.000 Like, these people just think that everyone cares so much about you.

01:48:23.000 That's why I'm like, I don't believe that AOC is doing this.

01:48:25.000 Honestly, Tim, you got me convinced.

01:48:27.000 She's a total Fed, and that explains her whole rise. 1.00

01:48:30.000 I think you're onto something here.

01:48:32.000 You think she's a Fed? 0.99

01:48:32.000 AOC's a Fed. 0.99

01:48:33.000 I'm half-joking, which means I could be right.

01:48:37.000 Right, right, right.

01:48:37.000 AOC, I'm sorry, we're going to have to see your credentials here.

01:48:40.000 Are you a Fed?

01:48:41.000 Are you a creation of the Deep State Security Project?

01:48:44.000 Would explain why she votes for aid to Ukraine, even though she pretends she's anti-war. 0.99

01:48:46.000 Right, that's true.

01:48:47.000 All right, Mindfury1980 says, Ian, watch the Orville majority rule as to why a democratic technocracy is a terrifying idea.

01:48:55.000 Orville, Majority Rule.

01:48:57.000 Yeah, Orville's a good show.

01:48:58.000 I agree.

01:48:58.000 I mean, it got kind of weird lately, but you know.

01:49:00.000 I agree that a democratic technocracy would be horrific, but so that's why I want like a technocratic republic.

01:49:06.000 You know, I don't want the mob in control of anything right now.

01:49:10.000 All right, Villainous Black Dragon Entertainment says, Tim and Kirk, do you think Trump is playing 5D chess by using the left's tactic and play victim?

01:49:17.000 I wouldn't call it 5D chess.

01:49:18.000 I would call it checkers.

01:49:21.000 Like, Democrats were trying not to indict Trump, and then this low-level dude does, and Trump goes, oh no, better raise $5 million overnight, and then go and get arraigned.

01:49:32.000 His polls are skyrocketing, his revenue is skyrocketing.

01:49:34.000 They're helping him.

01:49:36.000 And it's funny because they're trying now, Politico had that article, don't overthink it, an indictment would be bad for Trump.

01:49:41.000 He won't gain a single new voter, and I'm like, well, he just did.

01:49:44.000 But the polls are showing he's got a whole bunch of new donors, first-time donors.

01:49:48.000 Sorry.

01:49:48.000 Do I think he's playing 5D chess?

01:49:50.000 No, I think it's actually suit—I think I agree with you.

01:49:53.000 It's more like tic-tac-toe.

01:49:54.000 It's not even checkers.

01:49:56.000 Yes.

01:49:56.000 It's like one move, two move, three in a row.

01:49:59.000 I mean, this is not that hard, right?

01:50:01.000 You're gonna turn me into a victim.

01:50:03.000 I'll happily play the role after I've been, you know, the villain.

01:50:07.000 He went from villain to victor overnight.

01:50:09.000 Such a bad move by the Bragg.

01:50:12.000 Alvin Bragg?

01:50:13.000 If they really want to beat him in an election, why would you pariah the guy?

01:50:16.000 That's the question.

01:50:17.000 I mean, there is a belief out there, I find it to be unsubstantiated, that they want Trump to be the nominee and therefore they're doing this. 0.85

01:50:24.000 I find that to be silly.

01:50:26.000 Kyle Bigelow says, billions printed for COVID, Ukraine, and banks, now arresting a man who 75 million voted for 12 days before productivity self-incrimination day?

01:50:37.000 Just saying.

01:50:37.000 I don't know what that means.

01:50:39.000 Tax days in 12 days.

01:50:41.000 Oh, I see.

01:50:42.000 Productivity self-incrimination.

01:50:44.000 Pay your taxes, everybody.

01:50:46.000 That's right. 0.99

01:50:46.000 Damn, I gotta do that. 0.99

01:50:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:50:49.000 I'm actually excited.

01:50:49.000 I think I'm gonna get a refund, you know, because I gave the government too much money.

01:50:53.000 Good for you.

01:50:53.000 Yeah, they should be very happy about that.

01:50:55.000 My accountant retired.

01:50:57.000 Oh.

01:50:58.000 Well.

01:50:59.000 That's kind of a bummer.

01:51:00.000 Admar says, what does the 17th amendment mean to me?

01:51:03.000 Amy Klobuchar and Tina Smith giving a generic auto-reply email and I'm probably put on a list to be audited.

01:51:09.000 We should repeal the 17th. 0.99

01:51:10.000 Senators should be appointed by the state's—the senators are supposed to represent the state's interests.

01:51:15.000 Yes.

01:51:16.000 Well, and Minnesota had a red legislature up until recently.

01:51:18.000 So what'd it mean for you?

01:51:19.000 It means that you would have a Republican senator in Minnesota.

01:51:22.000 That hasn't happened, I think.

01:51:23.000 I don't think Republicans have had a senator you could fact-check me in Minnesota since, like, 1952.

01:51:28.000 Would it be the kind of thing where if a new state senator comes in that they would just recall the federal senator?

01:51:35.000 Potentially, yeah.

01:51:36.000 They would be serving at the will of the state legislative body.

01:51:40.000 That's nice, too, because it makes senators more accountable to their actual states and constituents than they are now.

01:51:44.000 They came in for hearings.

01:51:45.000 Senators used to come in for hearings.

01:51:48.000 So, for example, you'd have South Carolina say, hey, what are you doing?

01:51:51.000 Are you fighting for our values?

01:51:53.000 Let's have a hearing here.

01:51:54.000 They have private meetings.

01:51:56.000 Senators should be accountable to their state.

01:51:58.000 That's good.

01:51:59.000 Instead of the each individual voter.

01:52:01.000 So we got rid of that with the 17th Amendment. 0.66

01:52:03.000 which was supposed to be progress, but it was really, I think, regression.

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:07.000 Manipple says, can Libby write a Zeppelin story to use as a source?

01:52:11.000 Can I write a Zeppelin story?

01:52:14.000 Well, the issue is, we have the video of us building the Zeppelin, and it's got,

01:52:20.000 it's got, you know, Let's Go Brandon on the side of it.

01:52:23.000 That was Luke's flag, and we're flying it around and streaming from it.

01:52:26.000 So that YouTube video is good enough.

01:52:28.000 Anyone could just put that on Wikipedia, that Tim Pool invented a Zeppelin.

01:52:33.000 the issue is.

01:52:34.000 There was an old story claiming it was true.

01:52:37.000 And then after like seven years, they removed it.

01:52:39.000 And then I demanded they restore it now that I did, in fact.

01:52:42.000 Build a Zeppelin.

01:52:43.000 Retroactively making the article true, but they remove it.

01:52:46.000 The reason I did it was, it's an interesting question about the article said I invented a Zeppelin.

01:52:52.000 At the time I didn't, but now I did.

01:52:53.000 A live streaming Zeppelin modification.

01:52:57.000 If the article is now factually true, why would they not allow the article to be on?

01:53:01.000 Because you're not a primary source.

01:53:03.000 No, no, it's not from me.

01:53:04.000 It's from, like, it was from, like, Forbes or something.

01:53:07.000 So the question is, if the article is true now, it wasn't at the time, is it a legitimate source?

01:53:15.000 Right?

01:53:16.000 Is Forbes a legitimate source that you billed to Zeppelin if it wasn't at the time but now it is true?

01:53:20.000 My point is, if a news article says Charlie Kirk does a backflip and he never did, and then five years later he does do a backflip, the fact that it says Charlie Kirk has done a backflip is now true and correct despite it being old.

01:53:29.000 But it's actually still incorrect because the date on the article is not actually reflective of when the thing happened.

01:53:36.000 So it's still fake.

01:53:37.000 But I don't think the date reflects the statement made.

01:53:40.000 The date reflects the time the statement was made, but the statement is now true.

01:53:44.000 The statement is now true, but it wasn't true at the time.

01:53:46.000 So I guess that's the issue that I'm testing.

01:53:49.000 That was the intent.

01:53:50.000 If there is a historical article reference saying Donald Trump never did thing,

01:53:57.000 and then he later goes and does it, that reference is—or I'm saying if it says

01:54:01.000 Donald Trump did a thing he didn't do and then he does do it, it's now accurate.

01:54:06.000 The fake news becomes accurate, you know what I mean?

01:54:08.000 I think it wouldn't be accurate.

01:54:09.000 So what do they do?

01:54:10.000 They rewrite the story with a new date?

01:54:11.000 They would have to.

01:54:12.000 And say, update!

01:54:13.000 It would be the exact same terminology.

01:54:15.000 And what they would do, they would say- Libby is right.

01:54:16.000 It's like saying that Donald Trump is dead.

01:54:18.000 He's not, but eventually he will be.

01:54:20.000 Or has died.

01:54:21.000 But it would say, update.

01:54:22.000 At the time of this article, it was not true, but at the time of writing, it now is.

01:54:26.000 When you publish something matters.

01:54:28.000 It's critical in journalism.

01:54:29.000 Can we get social media to clip the thing where Charlie just said I was right?

01:54:32.000 Also, I'm wondering about what you're referencing in the article.

01:54:34.000 Like if it says, Tim Pool pets dog, and it shows a picture of you petting a gray dog, but you're like, I never did that.

01:54:40.000 And then 10 years later, you pet a brown dog.

01:54:42.000 It doesn't make the... because the reference of the word dog is a different dog.

01:54:46.000 It's a different reference.

01:54:46.000 I get it.

01:54:47.000 I just, but like, you're talking about a common occurrence of petting a dog, and I think the issue is inventing a Zeppelin is a very, very, very specific thing to do.

01:54:55.000 It's still alive.

01:54:56.000 I get it.

01:54:57.000 The fake news story is still fake, yeah.

01:54:58.000 It's just like a weird circumstance, I suppose.

01:55:01.000 Alright, let's see.

01:55:02.000 Let's grab some more.

01:55:04.000 What do we got here?

01:55:06.000 Otaku Magnet says, Federal politicians believe they are serving their districts.

01:55:09.000 This is a falsehood.

01:55:10.000 They serve all Americans due to the positions they have.

01:55:13.000 We need to return all power back to the states and localities.

01:55:15.000 I agree.

01:55:17.000 Absolutely.

01:55:18.000 Gabriel Lopez says, Ian, anyone can spin up a Wikipedia right now, yet no one does it because it would be useless.

01:55:23.000 I'm a 20-year software engineer.

01:55:25.000 Code does not matter.

01:55:26.000 I rewrite stuff every five years.

01:55:28.000 It's usually less than 5% of the cost of building the software business.

01:55:31.000 Building a software business.

01:55:32.000 People actually do spin up their own Wikipedias.

01:55:34.000 There's a bunch of different versions of Wikipedia.

01:55:36.000 There's like WikiQuote, and then there's WikiaForums, where people will create Wikipedia encyclopedias for everything.

01:55:42.000 There's like a WikiStarWars thing.

01:55:44.000 Yes.

01:55:44.000 SimSinsWikia and, you know, MyHeroAcademiaWikia.

01:55:49.000 DragonballZ.

01:55:51.000 And the funny thing about it is they always refer to fictional characters in the past tense for some reason, which I don't get.

01:55:56.000 Whatever.

01:55:58.000 Alright, Leo Malto says, congrats Charlie, just won the 2024 general election.

01:56:02.000 How do you fix the administrative state and handle these corrupt DAs?

01:56:06.000 You repeal, you immediately enact, I think it's called Title 50, or whatever it is, that allows Donald Trump to fire federal officials at will.

01:56:15.000 Schedule F?

01:56:16.000 Schedule F, that's right.

01:56:17.000 Yeah.

01:56:17.000 You immediately put in Schedule F. And then, I, if you want, I will vote for Trump.

01:56:23.000 If he does one thing right now, if Donald Trump puts out a video where he's wearing a hood like the Emperor, and he goes, EXECUTE SCHEDULE F, and then it plays the Star Wars song, and then you see a bunch of people just carrying- Order 66 or whatever it's called, right?

01:56:37.000 Yeah, and then it's people carrying boxes out of offices, and it plays a Star Wars theme, and it's all dramatic, and then Trump goes, I would be like I am voting for him and nothing will stop it at this point.

01:56:46.000 DeSantis could ride a Pegasus into the sunlight with a golden sword.

01:56:51.000 Trump did the thing with the schedule F. He's getting my vote.

01:56:54.000 Schedule F immediately.

01:56:55.000 He needs to decentralize Washington DC.

01:56:57.000 probed this during the first term, and it was met with total deaf ears, so I hope in the new

01:57:03.000 administration we can do this. You need to look at the cabinet. You need to say, okay, Veterans

01:57:08.000 Affairs is going to Florida, Department of the Interior is going to Colorado. You go through one

01:57:13.000 by one, right? Health and Human Services. You have to break up the centrality of Washington, D.C.

01:57:18.000 You have to put the agencies actually into the country that they serve. This would make it

01:57:23.000 harder for lobbyists to navigate. You'd get a better pool of employees. You would actually

01:57:27.000 create wealth more in these states, and it would create— That's a cool idea. Oh, yeah.

01:57:31.000 Where should Biden's massive medical-industrial complex expansion go? New Jersey.

01:57:37.000 That's fair.

01:57:38.000 And then if the power goes out, they go back to the Capitol?

01:57:41.000 What do you mean?

01:57:42.000 Because it works decentralizing until the phone lines get shut down.

01:57:45.000 But if they're operating independently, they don't necessarily need to.

01:57:49.000 But they would be all over the country, right?

01:57:51.000 So the vision would be, you would pick states that actually make sense to the constituents they're serving.

01:57:58.000 So the Department of the Interior should be where there's the most federal lands.

01:58:01.000 Nevada, Colorado, Utah, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, right?

01:58:06.000 You look at another agency, Department of Education, right?

01:58:12.000 I think you should send that to a red state, so a red state that's doing things great.

01:58:15.000 Arizona.

01:58:15.000 Arizona has the best school choice.

01:58:17.000 The point is that you reallocate these federal departments out of the kingdom of Washington, D.C., and then you actually change the personnel.

01:58:25.000 And that's one of the ways that you actually change the administrative state.

01:58:28.000 And the third thing is that personnel is policy, and Trump needs to get 50 absolute stone-cold killers around him if he wins another term that are ready to go fire people immediately, purge the bureaucracy of these double-minded people, and just issue pink slip after pink slip after pink slip.

01:58:46.000 So they say, some say he never drained the swamp.

01:58:49.000 Others say he did drain the swamp and it exposed the swamp monsters under the water.

01:58:54.000 And if that's the case, now he needs to come down and gently guide these folks into a nice bus where they can be driven off to comfortably retire and sit in little chairs in sunrooms.

01:59:04.000 And then I wish them nothing but happiness, but away from the seats of government.

01:59:08.000 Yes, and so Trump Term 2, he needs to govern with urgency and a vengeance against these very people that tried to impeach him twice, people that have tried to destroy this country, and the administrative state needs to be the primary focus of Trump Term 2.

01:59:25.000 It is out of control, it's unchecked, these people are unelected, they have unknown amounts of power, you don't even know the face to them, and I mean, just the CDC alone is worthy of just a massive purge, let alone the FBI.

01:59:37.000 The vengeance thing makes me nervous because I was watching Hitler's speeches last night and when you have an enemy and you're campaigning and you're like, the bad guy, the bad guy, you hear people in the crowd screaming stuff like, get him!

01:59:47.000 And you're like, no, no, we're not doing that to this world.

01:59:51.000 It is a problem.

01:59:53.000 The deep state is a big problem that they don't have term limits.

01:59:56.000 But I think we could create something that helps everybody and also evolve the system so that there's less of a bloat.

02:00:03.000 Let's, uh, let's read one more here.

02:00:04.000 here we got Nehru says the permitless carry in Florida takes effect July 1st

02:00:08.000 they finally put age to buy firearms back to 18 gotta take the win at

02:00:13.000 DeSantis for president won't happen also Matt Gaetz for Florida governor 2027 and

02:00:17.000 Bocas espresso blend for the win ah perhaps perhaps Yeah, a Bocas espresso might be good.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 03, 2023

Timcast IRL - Trump Arrives In NYC To SURRENDER, Second Indictment COMING w-Charlie Kirk

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