In this episode, we talk to Bill Ottman, CEO of Minds, a social media platform which has a unique approach to rule breaking and censorship. We talk about the removal of Trump's account, Apple and Google removing Parler from the Play Store, and much, much more.
00:00:53.000The reason I say I don't know the biggest news story of the day is because the Democrats also announced they are going to be impeaching the president on Monday.
00:01:02.000Things are getting just very, very weird.
00:01:05.000So we heard that Apple and Google were threatening parlor.
00:01:09.000that if they didn't overhaul their moderation or introduce heavy moderation, they would remove
00:01:15.000Parler from the app stores. I don't know exactly what's going on, but I can tell you I pulled up
00:01:19.000the Google Play store and Parler ain't there. So maybe it's already happened because we actually
00:01:24.000have one of the experts, not to mention Ian is an expert as well, on social media censorship and
00:01:31.000moderation. We've got Bill Ottman, CEO of Minds, MINDS.com, one of these other social media platforms
00:01:39.000which has a unique approach to rule breaking and censorship and stuff, the jury system, right?
00:01:45.000Juries, I mean, why not empower the community to help moderate?
00:01:49.000And imagine if Facebook, Twitter, they took their tens of thousands of moderators and actually proactively engaged with people who have mental issues or are extreme.
00:02:02.000We have to realize that Extreme psychology is just something that exists, and we have to deal with it in a way that's not banning them off the platforms.
00:02:14.000Well, because then what happens now is they're saying, you're going to get banned, everybody goes to Parler, and so then the big companies attack the infrastructure that allows people to even find Parler.
00:02:24.000But everybody, as you know, Ian, who is a regular on the show.
00:02:55.000You were removing these awful Trump supporters, just getting rid of them, saying, you can't like Trump, you gotta get out of here.
00:03:00.000So the way it would work is if an admin on Mines makes a wrong decision, then a user can appeal it, and then it goes to random 12 users who vote on it.
00:03:11.000And so we launched a jury system to keep ourselves in check.
00:03:14.000Yeah, I think you got to have more than 12 people though, because like, there's margin of error, I guess.
00:04:41.000Talking about sarcasm, I just wanted to say I'm so happy that our tech overlords, unaccountable multinational corporations with unlimited power are not keeping us safe.
00:04:52.000I think We all needed to be safe from, you know, words and sounds and speech from our little small little ears and our feeble minds and especially words from democratically elected government officials.
00:05:07.000I feel safe just like if I would be in the Matrix in that little bubble energy blanket.
00:05:12.000Luke, Luke, Mark Zuckerberg is successful.
00:05:16.000Okay, it is by merit that he has gained the power to shut down the President of the United States.
00:05:21.000Yes, and I'm saying, I'm so happy he did this because I'm safe from, you know, the bad words and sounds and, you know, we're so safe that you don't have to go to wearechange.org and in the right top hand corner put in your email.
00:05:33.000You could definitely follow me on all the mainline channels under We Are Change, so you got nothing to worry about.
00:05:38.000We're safe and happy and protected now.
00:06:02.000This is Absolutely off the rails, and it's not a joke.
00:06:07.000What we saw yesterday, I have some ideas about what I think is going to happen and what I'm really worried about, but it's going to get bad.
00:06:24.000I'm pushing all the buttons over in the corner.
00:06:25.000And now that we've had that long introduction, because everybody wanted to, you know, we have so much to talk about, let's just jump to the first story.
00:06:36.000They say, the company said in a tweet it made the decision due to the risk of further incitement of violence, saying after a close review of recent tweets from the from real Donald Trump account and the context around them, we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence.
00:07:23.000They say it's a step Twitter has resisted taking for all of Trump's presidency.
00:07:27.000While President Barack Obama was the first president to use Twitter, he mainly used the institutional POTUS account and did not rely on it as heavily as Trump has to get his message out.
00:07:37.000Trump used his personal Twitter account to stoke supporters and even make personnel changes before they can even make it to the press release.
00:07:46.000This allowed Trump to bypass the media and they hated him for it.
00:07:49.000Now I'll tell you, we got a lot of questions here.
00:07:52.000This was a historical record, the things that the president had been tweeting.
00:07:55.000But before we bring that up and those issues, let me tell you, Donald Trump I cannot believe the biggest mistake made, and I don't necessarily blame him.
00:08:35.000Now there are reports that Donald Trump has joined Parler, and this is according to Fox News' Sean Hannity.
00:08:41.000Parler is currently being hugged to death, is what they say.
00:08:44.000What it basically means is so many people are flocking to Parler that the traffic is kind of overloading it, making it slow and hard to use.
00:08:50.000I've had no problem logging... Well, I've had a little trouble logging, but once I got logged in, it seemed like everything was fine, so they must be dealing with it.
00:08:57.000But it's something Trump could have done a long time ago.
00:09:00.000Now, I guess we should just start by talking about the historical precedence of Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg and these tech CEOs having the ability to tell the president, you cannot speak to the American people.
00:09:09.000Well, why is it that an avalanche of bans happen every time?
00:09:13.000It's just like, is there communication happening between them?
00:09:35.000And if you're not able to talk to your supporters, if you have a whole political party that right now is voiceless, that's a major step in what I believe in an extremely wrong direction.
00:09:48.000The last time we had censorship, the major censorship story, was of course the Hunter Biden story.
00:11:19.000People, high-profile personalities, not just on the right, are reporting they're losing thousands of followers.
00:11:24.000We can't actually see the level by which this purge is happening.
00:11:28.000The censorship is bigger than just the president, and it could be even hundreds of thousands of people.
00:11:34.000I mean, I think I just lost a thousand followers on Twitter myself, but we can't say that we didn't see this coming.
00:11:40.000I mean, just even, what was it, a couple weeks ago, we were talking about this very topic, And we talked about, will Donald Trump be banned?
00:11:47.000And we both agreed and said, yes, Donald Trump's going to be banned.
00:11:50.000Our timeline was wrong because we said after the inauguration.
00:12:13.000In my opinion, I'm not, you know, I don't own any stock in Twitter, but I imagine it would go down because Trump made that platform.
00:12:22.000It didn't take a genius to understand that this was going to be their crisis.
00:12:29.000This was going to be the event that they use, that they're going to exploit, and that they're going to purposefully inflate as a major threat.
00:12:37.000And that's exactly what they're doing.
00:13:46.000It's when when they start banning your run-of-the-mill conservatives who voice their support for the president
00:13:51.000You don't like the president you can disagree with them These are not like you got a lot of regular people and what
00:13:56.000you're doing is we I think we talked about before bill It's actually I think I mentioned we talked about it on Joe
00:14:01.000Rogan You take a regular person and he gets arrested for pot and
00:14:05.000you put him in prison with hardened criminals And you are guess what happens to that person
00:14:10.000You know, you take some young person who's like, you know, first charge, they go to prison, and now they're around all the, you know, burglars, robbers, murderers, and that's what you're doing.
00:14:18.000You're putting people in these environments.
00:16:15.000But many of these people walked right in.
00:16:16.000There's videos where the cops open the door.
00:16:19.000And one cop says that he agrees with their right to protest.
00:16:21.000And as they waltz on in, some of these people are bewildered.
00:16:25.000I saw that and I thought to myself that the initial reaction will be overwhelmingly negative.
00:16:31.000Now I think because of the mass purge, you're going to start seeing an overwhelmingly positive reaction from people who feel like they've been excised from society.
00:16:39.000So there were a lot of people posting on Twitter that they felt that their opinions were watered down out of fear of being banned.
00:16:52.000A lot of people being banned are, like, you know, advocating for some crazy stuff.
00:16:55.000But there are a lot of people who are saying things like, well, I shouldn't say anything, you know, and there's tweets saying, I think we're all holding back.
00:17:45.000This level of demonization and dehumanization is the precursor to horrifying things.
00:17:52.000I'll spare some of the more hyperbolic words, but when you look back at history, historical civil wars, the start of major wars, this is the kind of thing that happens just before.
00:18:02.000And what do you think's gonna happen when the incoming president announces,
00:18:07.000the Wall Street Journal reported this, sweeping new domestic terror laws, Joe Biden's announced,
00:18:12.000while calling sitting Republicans, likening them to Nazi propagandists.
00:18:17.000What do you think that demonization will lead to?
00:19:03.000BLM still hasn't had their meeting with Biden.
00:19:07.000Last I saw in a couple days, I don't know if I may stand corrected here.
00:19:10.000But anyone could stand in the way of this big, unaccountable, totalitarian monster that holds one of the biggest sacred powers in the world.
00:19:20.000One of the things that makes America great, more than any other place in the world, is our free speech.
00:19:27.000Once you get rid of that, once you limit that, once you stop allowing people the ability to freely communicate with each other, we are in uncharted territories where it is ripe for abuse.
00:19:38.000The heartbreaking thing, Tim, that you kind of alluded to is that regular Democrats and Republicans cannot even speak to each other.
00:19:49.000Families are being torn apart There is a tweet from a young woman ratting out her mom for being at a protest, I think the precursor protest, not the one at the Capitol but the night before, saying, this is my mom, here's her name, here's my dad, and then the mom got fired.
00:21:33.000Here's the persons whose picture, they were arrested on this charge, and they threaten him, and they attack him, and they accuse him of doxxing, and he's a villain.
00:22:10.000We are going to be able to prove that we have a higher rate of de-radicalization on minds because you cannot de-radicalize someone that you have just banned.
00:22:21.000Their rate of de-radicalization will be zero And I say this all the time.
00:22:27.000If if you have somebody who does bad things and then one day they come out and they apologize,
00:23:12.000People started reaching out to her, and then she flipped from being a member of this church to being like, hey, that was wrong, I shouldn't have been saying these things.
00:23:19.000People really changed my mind and were nice to me.
00:24:12.000These people have no idea what they're doing.
00:24:13.000Yeah, the only answer to bad speech is good speech.
00:24:16.000And if you start to limit it, you again, putting people on the fringe and you're starting to expand it.
00:24:21.000I remember during the kind of infancy of the internet and kind of growing up in that day and age and thinking, this is absolutely incredible.
00:24:28.000This is an amazing tool that allows people to speak to each other.
00:24:31.000And then I realized, just like any kind of great technological advancement, it's a tool, it's a weapon, it's a sword, and it has blades that go both ways.
00:24:40.000And just like it has the potential to help people, it has the potential to hurt a lot of people.
00:24:45.000And now we're seeing a huge backswing.
00:24:47.000I remember, I remember warning about this all the way back in 2008.
00:24:51.000I have We Are Change videos on my channel warning in 2008 saying, hey, They're already starting to turn on the boilers.
00:24:58.000The water is starting to get warm here.
00:25:16.000Here's what I want y'all to understand.
00:25:18.000What Twitter is doing, what Facebook is doing, and YouTube is doing, is actually diminishing their ability to control anything, and will result in substantial chaos.
00:25:26.000If there are 100 people in a room, and you have rules, and some of those people break the rules, then you can slowly start to remove some of those people, or you can compromise and say, here's what we'll accept and here's what we won't.
00:25:37.000And what happens is, If you decide to ban 10 people, now you have 10 people in one room and 90 in the other, and you have no say over what those 10 people are doing.
00:25:47.000We're going to come to the point where Twitter has half of the people in one room and half in the other, and then it's going to be two equal-sized rooms with no control over the other side.
00:25:54.000No ability to influence or de-radicalize or communicate at all, and that's when the clash happens.
00:25:59.000And the chilling effect, you're talking about friends who are just deleting all their posts because they're scared they're going to get banned now.
00:26:05.000And I mean, the psychological impact that it has just on the people who are allowed to be there.
00:26:12.000And Snowden has brought this up with, you know, how surveillance impacts your brain and how you want to communicate.
00:26:18.000He said today is a major turning point in history.
00:26:25.000No, yeah, but it's just the chilling effect and the mass sort of social, psychological implications that this has, like, in the herd mentality when everybody's posting, like, either in support of it or against it, but, like, at the end of the day, all that matters is data.
00:27:03.000Anyone with a brain can take a look at the bannings they did, and then the chaos that ensued yesterday, and be like, hey, remember two years ago when you banned all these people?
00:27:37.000Google takes it out of the Play Store, and then they put it up on their website.
00:27:40.000So when you open your phone, and you go to parlor.com, eventually at some point, I assume, it'll say, download the APK, you'll click it, boom, you got it.
00:27:46.000What does removing it from the Play Store do?
00:27:50.000I mean, we were suspended from Google Play and App Store for like six months.
00:27:55.000So you go to minds.com slash mobile and get the mobile app.
00:27:58.000Now you can get the APK or you can get us in the app stores.
00:28:00.000But like, you know, that hurt us and it will hurt Parler.
00:28:04.000And, you know, it's and the thing is that it's become too polarized.
00:28:09.000It's like the left, you know, Twitter, the left wing social network, Parler, the right wing social network.
00:28:13.000It's like it need we need from a high level at the companies to be having serious conversations, live streaming and saying, how are we going to bring this community together?
00:28:23.000How are we going to deal with these people?
00:29:18.000In fact, Parler's got very strict rules.
00:29:20.000My understanding is that they operate on what's called a broadcast standard, meaning you actually can't say certain things that are free speech.
00:29:27.000And that's the way they run their platform.
00:29:29.000I mean, it's a Gab 2.0 situation, basically.
00:29:35.000Free speech policies every network should have, but like the fact that there's, you know, there are privacy issues and transparency issues with Parler.
00:29:43.000I'm just gonna, you know, be upfront about that.
00:29:50.000Networks have to be open source, otherwise it's not viable in the long term.
00:29:54.000I don't know if the Fediverse is the answer, we've talked about it before, but some kind of decentralized, federated social network.
00:30:03.000The way it would work, it's very simple, this is how the Fediverse works, is that you don't have to use Parler.
00:30:09.000You would use just Fediverse apps, a regular old app you download, and then you sign into your server or their server or whatever server, and it connects all the different companies into one social media system.
00:30:44.000It's still good, and it's a step in the right direction, but it's not truly decentralized social media because the admins can still ban the whole node.
00:30:52.000They can cut off, like, if there was a networked gab connected to mines, one platform could cut off the other platform.
00:31:39.000I think what a lot of people need to realize is that a lot of these networks that use crypto, they're built off of the Ethereum cryptocurrency.
00:31:44.000And there are some other amazing decentralized social networks like Scuttlebutt is fully decentralized.
00:31:49.000It's sort of like techie and tough to use, but it is fully decentralized.
00:31:58.000So regarding the Arweave network, if you were to post something on the Arweave blockchain and then you owned that post and it was there forever, could it then generate crypto tokens for every view that it accrued?
00:32:09.000That's not how their system works, but I mean, theoretically, you could build whatever you want.
00:32:14.000I remember at Burning Man, some people started to do peer-to-peer Bluetooth communications.
00:32:23.000I was on a cruise and they told everyone when you come on to download this app, I forgot what it was called, but you turn on Bluetooth and then it is the craziest thing.
00:32:32.000You can walk past one person and all the data is being transmitted from like my app to their app.
00:32:36.000And then when they walk past another person, it bounces to like five more people and then created this mesh internet.
00:32:41.000where if I was standing ten feet from you, you were ten feet from me and Ian was ten feet from, you know,
00:32:46.000you know, Bob Smith, and then Bob Smith sent a message, it would relay through everyone to me.
00:32:50.000Absolutely. Yeah, local networks. That's amazing.
00:32:52.000And that's really important for countries that don't have serious infrastructure.
00:32:55.000Yeah. Well, also in the United Kingdom, when rock and roll was banned,
00:33:00.000what they started to do is literal pirate ships.
00:33:03.000They had ships that would broadcast, uh, rock and roll.
00:34:00.000I was like, yeah, I don't like these guys too, but...
00:34:04.000But I don't think their voice should be censored.
00:34:06.000And I've been saying that consistently from the very beginning, but they used our own fears, our own emotions against us to justify it slowly and surely.
00:34:46.000It's an encryption peer-to-peer technology, and it's something new like the printing press.
00:34:52.000So when the printing press came out, everyone in the beginning was like, oh, this is nothing, this is an old machine, this is not gonna do anything.
00:36:06.000Recently, so the past day or so, he advocated for cable providers to ban Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax because they spread lies.
00:36:15.000Talk about a dramatic change from where he was only four or so years ago when he was interviewing me because he thought it was newsworthy.
00:36:25.000I said we must have free speech even for those we don't like.
00:36:28.000I am still standing here on the same hill saying we must have free speech for those we don't like otherwise you create conflict and he now has gone so far that not only is he advocating for the removal of entire cable channels He's contacting AT&T and Verizon and Comcast and saying, will you remove them?
00:36:52.000Again, that's still absolutely unhinged, dangerous behavior that corporations who want more power With little fleeing individuals coming to them ... saying please take away all my rights take away everything ... take away the most important right of what my ears could ... listen to of course they're going to be like yes give it to ... me I'll be your overlord daddy come on here again we've seen ... this coming for a long time one of the major criticisms ... against Donald Trump within the last few years is that he's ... not making a stand against free speech he's not making a ...
00:39:45.000It's not though, it's way more than two sides.
00:39:47.000It's a bunch of people with a bunch of different ideas.
00:39:51.000But it is very frustrating that Trump didn't facilitate a cross-spectrum conversation more directly.
00:39:59.000Like, he had the opportunity, and it seems like he really did not bring the people- Wait, Bill, you and I were in the White House at the social media event.
00:45:13.000As I've been saying for a long time, Twitter has gone further and further in banning free speech and tonight Twitter employees have coordinated with the Democrats and the radical left in removing my account from their platform to silence me and you, the 75 million great Patriots who voted for me.
00:45:28.000Twitter may be a private company, but without the government's gift of Section 230, they would not exist for long.
00:46:56.000Donald Trump made a video where he said there will be a new administration and we will peacefully transition.
00:47:01.000I made a video, Trump confirms defeat, Mike Pence certifies Joe Biden, Trump said it, I don't know what else you're supposed to take from that.
00:47:08.000But many Trump supporters, around 25% of Mike Cernovich's, you know, polled, said he didn't concede.
00:47:14.000Mike responded by saying, to those who believe this, I love you, please unfollow people who have made you believe this, go home to your loved ones, they miss you, and, you know, it's time to stop.
00:47:39.000Then Twitter comes out and does this, and they do more, and they do more.
00:47:42.000Now they're purging people left and right.
00:47:44.000And I think many of those people who are probably like, yeah, you know, that was probably dumb at the Capitol, and I guess it's over, now they're enraged.
00:48:19.000And then they turned around, and now I think they're gonna explode.
00:48:22.000And now my concern is, After seeing this, there is real fear about multinational corporations shutting down the president.
00:48:32.000It should not be allowed, in my opinion, by U.S.
00:48:34.000law, that our executive, our chief executive, could be shut down on a major communication platform that has essentially seized the commons in terms of communication.
00:49:32.000When Trump won, there were a lot of Trump supporters being mean and snide and mocking and belittling as people screamed and cried and memes went crazy.
00:49:51.000She is, I'm pretty sure, let me make sure, yes, FBI, former FBI special agent and CNN analyst said, I'm not even going to screenshot what he's tweeting from the POTUS account.
00:50:00.000Twitter has already taken it down, but boo-boo mad.
00:50:03.000This is the kind of dismissive and insulting and humiliating content coming from prominent institutions, which will trigger mass rage.
00:50:13.000I don't care if random Twitter user 123 tweets nasty things at me.
00:50:21.000I don't care to make YouTube videos about random Twitter users who say dumb things.
00:50:26.000But when it's someone who works for a major cultural institution or politics and they have power and influence, I think it needs to be talked about and called out.
00:50:39.000Then why is it that mainstream media is punching down, calling regular Americans stupid, mocking the way they live, mocking the way they work, mocking their lives?
00:51:43.000So to talk a little bit about the fact checking strike, quote unquote,
00:51:46.000fact checking strategies at Facebook What they're doing is basically bringing in a small group of think tanks, and it's not a real system.
00:51:55.000So, what we're actually talking about doing is working with this group, Ground.News.
00:52:01.000I don't know if you've ever heard of them.
00:52:03.000For every article, their algorithm grabs all the articles and shows on both sides.
00:52:09.000And they sort of are doing the best, it seems, good faith effort to show all the coverage on both sides.
00:52:16.000And so that when you're scrolling down your feed, you can get context to what you're seeing.
00:52:23.000And, you know, that's where we need to be going, giving people access to all of the data around the post so that they have the most information, not just saying this is true or this is false.
00:52:36.000Facebook knew early on that they were feeding, you know, hyper-partisan content to different sides.
00:52:42.000In fact, there are some news organizations that knew this too and created two different versions of their content because one would feed to the left and one would feed to the right.
00:52:51.000And there was a thing they would do, it's just general journalism A-B testing,
00:52:55.000where they'll write an article and in some regions they would use certain titles,
00:52:59.000different in other regions, total different framing, to see how it would perform to maximize
00:53:05.000the amount of ads they would get, the amount of clicks they would get, and in turn the revenue.
00:53:09.000Because they knew that somebody who lived in Texas would probably see, you know,
00:53:13.000rather see an article that says Nancy Pelosi is bad. And the people who lived in San Francisco
00:53:18.000probably would like to see Nancy Pelosi good. They were doing like experiments on users,
00:53:22.000Facebook was, where they would feed them emotionally charged articles to see if it
00:53:29.000Now they've got, you know, artificial intelligence or whatever this algorithm is that's private, you know, tweaking and deciding what people see and what gets flagged.
00:53:39.000So I'll tell you, you know who our government really is?
00:53:58.000Speaking colloquially, Facebook creates an algorithm that feeds certain content.
00:54:02.000All that matters is, this is what I've said, Jack Dorsey has swallowed so much of his own refuse, I think he's actually been radicalized by what he's created.
00:54:13.000If you look at him compared to where he was when Twitter launched to where he is now, he's a dramatically different person.
00:54:17.000And why does he believe the things he believes?
00:54:19.000He created a platform that incentivizes rage content, And then he started eating that content, which changed his brain, and then he had the keys to the castle, went in, and changed more of the platform to keep feeding into that... It's an insanity loop.
00:55:04.000He made the world crazier in the instant that you brought it up.
00:55:08.000But also another aspect to understand here, mental health has been in decline ever since we saw the rise of social media.
00:55:14.000Many people say that is a massive correlation.
00:55:16.000That's another way that it impacts people with depression, suicides, and a lot of other mental health defects that are skyrocketing right now as we're speaking.
00:55:26.000So if you go out, you know, on an average day, if you talk to a neighbor or if you talk to a stranger, They're not as crazy as they are online.
00:56:22.000Or think about when you're in a city where there's a political event going on, and they think you look like a Trump supporter, or they think you look like Antifa.
00:56:31.000Where can you walk based on how you appear?
00:56:33.000Imagine walking around New York City wearing... Actually, people have done this.
00:56:40.000I would say a lot of the chaos today, and the mental health issues, comes from text, and people attempting to communicate through text, which is a new form of communication with humans.
00:56:49.000They used to send letters before that.
00:56:51.000You know, written language, they all communicated with words and sounds.
00:56:56.000And we've lost so much touch of our ability to communicate with our words.
00:57:01.000I find, I have so much, you know, faith and love for people that make internet video, because you speak your mind with your words and your sound and your vibration, and it's completely different than etching something onto a stone for someone else to attempt to interpret it.
00:59:43.000If history has taught us anything, it's that you should trust the government in times of emergency to do what's right, keep us well informed as the ongoing legitimacy of the threat, and give up emergency powers once the crisis is averted.
00:59:55.000I intentionally just said it, but I call it a filter.
01:00:01.000Clearly, to anybody who is hearing me talk, if I was to say this in real life, I would say something like, if history has taught us anything, it's that you should trust the government in times of emergency to do what's right, keep us well informed of the ongoing legitimacy of the threat, and to give up emergency powers once the crisis is averted.
01:00:57.000I said, the good news is now that, now with Democrats in full control, we can finally lock down the country for a couple of years to make sure COVID goes away.
01:01:04.000And a lot of people are like, what, are you crazy?
01:03:03.000Case in point, Amazon, and the CIA, and the Department of Defense, Facebook, and what was that startup connected to the intelligence agency that was Integro in their start?
01:03:14.000We have Google, and of course Google Maps, working with of course the US Pentagon to make that happen, and there was another one, In-Q-Tel I think?
01:04:34.000Holly argued he raised lawful questions about the way elections were conducted, just as Democrats did in previous years, but saw a much different outcome.
01:04:42.000This is undignified, immature, and intemperate behavior from the president-elect.
01:06:04.000You know, I was mentioning this earlier.
01:06:06.000When you have the people who are willing to walk away kind of conceding with their tail between their legs and then you throw something at the back of their head.
01:06:12.000This from Joe Biden is like they're pouring fuel on the fire.
01:06:41.000And the end result would have been Biden getting certified as president.
01:06:44.000It would have given Trump supporters their voice on the Electoral College count floor.
01:06:50.000It would have satisfied many, not all, to be like, well, at least the American people can hear what we have to say, and we weren't denied that opportunity.
01:06:57.000Now, unfortunately, It was the Trump supporters who stormed in and stopped that from happening.
01:07:02.000But to criticize Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz as though they're Nazi propagandists, or in any way like him, simply because they wanted to say, here's what's happening, and here's why we have concerns about this, that's... I think that should be evidence that people don't want unity, and that this is likely going to escalate, and escalate faster than you realize.
01:07:21.000It reminds me about what the Nazis did, because they would demonize the communists, and then He's like, we need a new national crackdown on terrorism.
01:07:31.000Those people are acting like the Nazi party from old.
01:07:34.000It's like, that's what the Nazis did to the communists.
01:07:37.000They cracked down and they said that they were the evil from, you know, the 10 years ago in Russia or whatever.
01:07:49.000Are you really trying to act like you're bringing people together if you're using hyperbolic language like that?
01:07:56.000Well, so we have had for years people tweeting things about killing Nazis and punching them, but then they go and call literally everyone Nazis or compare everyone to Nazis.
01:08:04.000And so, what are people supposed to think?
01:08:07.000You want to hurt us, you want to attack us, because it's not about attacking Nazis, it's about using the worst possible smear you can against those you don't agree with.
01:08:14.000That way, when you advocate for some- like, listen, there are people on Twitter who are saying, you know, kill Nazis or whatever.
01:08:30.000So I'll tell you, when Joe Biden says that the protesters are domestic terrorists, those that stormed the Capitol, he says these senators are basically propagandists for the insurrection.
01:08:41.000The Wall Street Journal reports, Mr. Biden has said he plans to make a priority of passing a law against domestic terrorism, and he has been urged to create a White House post overseeing the fight against ideological-inspired violent extremists and increasing funding to combat them.
01:09:20.000And he's going, what they're probably thinking, these establishment people, is once we get power, we better make sure these people never win again.
01:09:27.000And he's not just talking about Trump.
01:09:29.000He's talking about Bernie Sanders, too.
01:09:30.000And that's why I think it's hilarious.
01:09:32.000Many of these leftists walked right into this.
01:09:58.000He doesn't have the ball in front of him.
01:10:01.000It looks like someone else has the ball and is carrying this whole program here.
01:10:06.000When you look at his speech, when you look at his mindset, Competent doesn't come to mind and when you have that you also understand that this is the person that sold out to the special interest almost more than any other president before him.
01:10:20.000He argued with Barack Obama saying that there needs to be more special interest inside of the Obama administration and Obama had to tell him no.
01:10:29.000So when we have big tech executives inside of the Biden administration, Goldman Sachs, the military-industrial complex, and you have unlimited power, you look at that entire recipe, there's no one or nothing that could check him.
01:10:43.000Another thing that I kind of wanted to bring up is that if you remember Chuck Schumer literally brought up that if you mess with the, this is not his exact phrase, but he said when Donald Trump messes with the intelligence agencies, they have six ways to Sunday to get back at him.
01:11:00.000In relation to that, I also want to bring up this CBS News article that is literally titled, Social Media is a Tool of the CIA, Seriously.
01:11:09.000That is the title of their article on CBS News, and they start off by saying, quote, you don't need to wear a tinfoil hat to believe that the CIA is using Facebook, Twitter, Google, and other social media companies to spy on people.
01:11:24.000That's because the CIA published a helpful list of press releases on all the social media ventures it sponsors via its technology investment firm In-Q-Tel.
01:11:35.000So again, that's that's the firm that I brought up here previously before.
01:11:38.000So there is a lot of things to talk about there.
01:11:40.000There's a lot of room for kind of speculation here, even though I don't like doing that.
01:11:45.000But we have to understand when we look at these big tech companies, they're not just outside entities outside of the government.
01:11:51.000They are entities that work with the government hand in hand, not just spying on you, but in more severe ways than we even know.
01:11:59.000And this is truly an emerging power that can't be unchecked.
01:12:25.000Oh, yeah, but I don't think it's it's we don't know the exact levels Yeah, we don't know the exact details here.
01:12:31.000They were heavily criticized for developing facial recognition technology I was used by ice, but that's only just the tip of the iceberg here literally Comparatively to all the other big deep state projects that they're working on that they're developing that need to be brought up Have you seen go big show on TBS?
01:12:49.000Oh Uh, we were slowly... I was watching two minutes of it when you were watching it.
01:12:52.000Why can't you just let them have the power?
01:12:55.000Didn't you want to see the man do the backflip on the tricycle?
01:13:00.000There was another guy I heard, Luke, who got a football to the groin.
01:13:04.000Now, wouldn't you much rather just order a pizza, sit back, watch a football to the groin show, and leave the Democrats to have their power and let them do what they want?
01:13:13.000Wasn't that in Idiocracy, where they had a show where the guy was just getting hit in the balls?
01:13:26.000I mean, to be honest, Donald Trump's in the WWE Hall of Fame, and then Camacho, the president, was a wrestler, so... Beavis and Butt-head's coming back, I heard.
01:13:35.000Oh, it comes back every so often, doesn't it?
01:13:37.000I think we're headed for dark days, man.
01:13:40.000Because what's happening is happening faster and faster.
01:13:44.000And what we saw at the Capitol was... I think in terms of the political ramifications, it was serious.
01:13:51.000And the craziest thing is when you look at photos and there's a photo going around of a guy with zip tie handcuffs, and people are like, what were they planning on doing with that?
01:14:24.000And there's a very famous meme going around now that says, quote, we spend $750 billion annually on defense and the center of American government fell in two hours to the duck dynasty.
01:16:32.000And I'm like, well, your code going free doesn't mean you lose the network, you still own Facebook, you still can profit off of all that activity on Facebook, but the code Yeah, a code should be like an idea.
01:16:43.000I think it should be open sourced, and I think if we did have open source technology, the world would be a lot better and freer.
01:16:49.000And the network effects that you can achieve.
01:16:52.000The network effects and growth you can achieve, not to mention because your community will trust you more now, because you're being transparent with them, but the reason Bitcoin is exploding right now is because it's open.
01:17:03.000There's not going to be a closed system.
01:17:05.000But I understand that you guys view the code as our code.
01:17:08.000I think that sometimes the code can be my code, and you're all just dirty commies who think that.
01:17:13.000And I actually believe in private property, so I disagree.
01:17:16.000But in all seriousness, no, I think there can be, I think a lot of things need to be open, depending on what they are.
01:18:27.000Again, that would have proved and solved so much angst.
01:18:30.000That would have proved and solved so much of the uncertainty.
01:18:33.000And again, when these companies make these large decisions, banning people, destroying people's voice, they're doing it in a way where there's no accountability for that.
01:18:53.000I don't even have to say why I did what I did.
01:18:56.000And that's a dangerous, unaccountable power that surely...
01:19:01.000I was saying this years ago, is going to be abused, is being abused right now.
01:19:05.000A lot of people want to talk about civil war and stuff.
01:19:08.000And they think the right has some tremendous advantage because they're the tough guys, because they're the survivalists and all that stuff.
01:19:13.000But I said, listen, man, they'll sever the lines of communication in two seconds before anything starts.
01:19:19.000And then you'll be sitting there looking at your phone saying, I wonder what's going on.
01:19:21.000The lines of communication are being severed.
01:19:58.000Look, his wife's got a $2 million staff while the city burns.
01:20:00.000The way the law is built, I'm just talking about, is that I think that Facebook is powerful enough and influential enough that we should treat it like a city and not a piece of ownership of something that someone can own.
01:20:15.000He can still own the domain and people can still use Facebook and he can have stores and everything.
01:20:22.000Publicly owned and open with guaranteed rights and we don't need to worry about making money on or they could have utility it could still be Private and all the code could be a utility that we could build another network.
01:20:33.000That is a utility with the same code They could integrate with Twitter Yes.
01:20:37.000Because if you shatter it into a bunch of proprietary networks, it wouldn't stop the monopoly on the behavior.
01:21:06.000This is how the big networks grew, under that premise.
01:21:11.000Their content policies were always pretty restrictive, but to a certain degree they rode the whole wave of letting people say most of what was okay, and now they're doing the bait-and-switch.
01:21:26.000So the company that's a big problem too is that you can make a company make it huge and popular and then sell it to some totalitarian dictator and then all of a sudden a hundred million people are now being Driven by this this guy that now owns the city you basically handed the keys of the city of this next guy So yeah, I agree.
01:21:41.000I don't think that These networks should be controlled by the bait-and-switch.
01:21:46.000Even the potential for the bait-and-switch shouldn't exist.
01:21:54.000You would just expect that executives with billions of dollars, thousands of developers at their disposal, could come up with realistic problems for breaking echo chambers.
01:22:07.000Here's recommendations of stuff that you might disagree with or from people from the other side of the spectrum.
01:22:15.000Here's how to curate your algorithm so you know, so you're getting a balanced diet of information.
01:22:20.000Like they just literally, it is intentional.
01:22:23.000But you know the problem with that is, for like Twitter, is that if you're somebody who's like, is a far leftist, and they say, why don't you follow Tim Poole?
01:22:31.000He's a, you know, moderate individual who believes in free speech and liberty.
01:22:36.000Then they're going to start spamming me and insulting me and it's going to be really annoying.
01:22:39.000The problem is, ultimately in the end, you have many different kinds of people but there seems to be two overarching kinds of people.
01:22:47.000The if someone is bothering me I'll block them group and the if someone's bothering me I demand Twitter block them from everyone group.
01:22:56.000It's one of the things that I think Jack Dorsey actually said in one of his testimony, in his Senate testimony, he was like, we have people who are demanding on the left that we ban people for this reason, and then the right demands that we don't ban them for this reason, and we have to figure out, like, we have these both, you know, both groups screaming in our ears.
01:23:15.000Now I guess ultimately, because the cultural institutions and the media are controlled by the left, these big tech companies know exactly who butters their bread.
01:23:21.000They want to sell advertisements, right?
01:23:23.000Well, if a news story comes out in the Wall Street Journal that YouTube does bad, then YouTube says, we're so sorry, Wall Street Journal, please.
01:23:31.000That's what happened with PewDiePie in the first adpocalypse.
01:23:35.000And the crazy thing is these news outlets know YouTube is their competition.
01:23:38.000So they're doing it on purpose for probably for a financial gain.
01:23:41.000But they also learn that people like to hear their own thoughts regurgitated to them so they created echo chambers through the algorithm and I remember back in the day when the Internet was still amazing in a beautiful place and was a free place because it didn't have any algorithms it didn't have any news feeds it didn't have any curated Timelines with these corporations deciding what ... you should hear if you would subscribe to something you ... would actually see it you would actually hear it this ... curation has essentially led to these larger echo ... chambers to these larger to these larger radicalizations ... and have pushed people further and further apart on the ... political spectrum.
01:24:17.000We're now we are in a situation where people are at ... each other's throats and we have to wake up and realize ... that this was done by social media so what makes you think ... giving all your power to social media is going to fix it ... this is such a frustrating thing you see the direct ... fingerprint whether it's the mental health crisis whether ... it's the algorithm whether it's the echo chambers whether ... it's them colluding with intelligence agencies and ... government agencies when you see this problem.
01:25:32.000Well information, people need to understand, information is key during war.
01:25:35.000One of the first things that was done during the Iraq war from some of the reports that I heard from frontline soldiers is that there was leaflets dropped on populations.
01:25:44.000Saying Americans are coming, they're here to liberate you and here to free you.
01:25:48.000So this has been done as a part of psychological warfare many times throughout many important battles and this is the information war ramping up to huge just astronomical levels where Even fifth generational warfare doesn't put a candle to it, to what's happening now.
01:26:06.000And that's another term that people should look up and should research themselves when they want to understand what is deeply happening and what is going to happen from here.
01:26:12.000In Vietnam, they used to blast audio in the jungle.
01:26:52.000And the South Vietnamese, I believe it was the South who was working with us, panicked and ran when they heard it.
01:26:57.000But imagine you're in the jungle, in the dead of night with your gun, and then you hear a wailing ghostly voice crying and begging you, saying, don't become trapped like I am, run while you still can.
01:27:07.000Psychological warfare is crazy stuff, man.
01:27:10.000You know that old fake story about the general and the pig's blood?
01:27:14.000Apparently it's not a real story, but they talk about this general who, after killing a bunch of Muslim soldiers in the Middle East, poured pig's blood on them and left one alive and let him leave, so that he went and told them and then they all stopped fighting.
01:27:30.000I believe that story's not true, but people tell it all the time, the idea being that he's like, oh no, this is bad, it's against their religion, and so he panicked, told everyone, and then they refused to engage.
01:27:43.000The first step in it is to control communication.
01:27:47.000Once you control communication, once you control what people can and cannot listen to, you have such a severe advantage over your supposed enemies or even someone you think are the Nazis.
01:28:05.000Palpatine feigned a assassination attempt, you know, when Mace Windu comes in and then Anakin's there and then he's like, don't let them kill me!
01:29:37.000That's what he called it, a dark winter.
01:29:39.000And I think the challenge for us is, well, I should rephrase this.
01:29:47.000I don't think there is a path towards de-escalation.
01:29:50.000And I've said this quite some, a long time ago.
01:29:52.000And I had, it's really interesting, the left repeatedly claimed that I was wrong and hyperbolic and fear-mongering and all that for simply saying, look what happened.
01:30:21.000And I'm like, if I recall, they were condemning the violence all year.
01:30:25.000And it was CNN who said protests have to be peaceful.
01:30:29.000But when you see tweets like that, when you see Democrats calling for expulsion, calling for escalation, then I would be more than happy to have everybody just be like, we don't want to do this anymore.
01:31:02.000They're making sure they're purging this aspect of American culture.
01:31:06.000I think there's no linear path to de-escalation, maybe.
01:31:09.000Like you said earlier, it's a compounding or an exponential escalation in any direction.
01:31:16.000Because of the way the system works now, it started with radio and television that you could speak for an hour, but then people could listen to it for 10,000 hours.
01:31:26.000Even though you only spent an hour of your time, 10,000 hours of listening could accrue.
01:32:57.000Why didn't any one of these people say, let us run the account for you?
01:33:00.000We'll set up a parlor, we'll set up a mines, whatever.
01:33:02.000I mean, what really worries me is just the normal people sitting on social media watching the preaching happen and, you know, glorification of this kind of event.
01:33:11.000And like, people with good intentions actually do think that this is helping.
01:33:45.000Maybe they don't all think the same thing, but they think something similar.
01:33:48.000And when you see people like, I don't know, a couple years ago, going on a major podcast and warning about a coming conflict due to censorship, and then saying, I'm going to build a van, so, you know, a bug-out van.
01:33:58.000And now here we are with the Capitol being stormed.
01:34:01.000You know, I don't expect, like, a plumber to be fully tuned into what's happening, but there are people who base all their investments on just, they wait for Warren Buffett to do something.
01:34:12.000Like, he must know something, so I'll just buy what he buys, right?
01:34:15.000Well, when you see all of the people who have access to government officials and media institutions and intelligence agencies fleeing to rural states, red states and rural areas and buying up swathes of land, it should make you think something about what's going on and what you should maybe consider.
01:34:30.000Another thing to really kind of deep dive into and to really think about is we're also seeing something that is curated for us.
01:34:38.000So the algorithm, the newsfeed, the curated timeline, they're showing you people celebrating, but that doesn't essentially mean that a lot of people are celebrating and those viewpoints can be manipulated.
01:34:50.000Our perceptions can be manipulated by what we're selected to see, and already there have been studies done showing how the timeline could manipulate your emotions and how they can make you feel different emotions just by deciding what to show you.
01:35:06.000They could do that on so many other different levels.
01:35:10.000Do you know about the Confessions of the Economic Hitman?
01:35:14.000Yeah, one of the things he talks about is that in order to stage a coup in a foreign country, one of the things you do is you hire about 1,000 people to protest and film it, and then from those tight camera angles showing massive crowds, you say it's 100,000.
01:35:28.000And then people believe it, and they think the country is in chaos, and then it makes regular people freak out.
01:35:37.000We've seen a lot of things done through various intelligence agencies with sock puppet accounts, which is, you know, bots.
01:35:42.000Sock puppet accounts, basically one person will have 50 accounts with fake pictures, with fake names, and they'll post things attempting to manipulate and influence people.
01:35:50.000And this is an ongoing problem around the world.
01:35:52.000The US used to do it all the time to manipulate foreign countries.
01:35:55.000The US government and the Israeli government admitted that they had government agents that are trying to sow a particular viewpoint and a particular narrative that are working from the tax dollars to push the government's agenda.
01:36:11.000So this is something also talked about by Cass Sunstein, Obama's former information czar, who talked about how there needs to be an effort to undermine individuals who are affected by 9-11, like family members who had questions about that event.
01:36:25.000He specifically talked about how the online community needs to be infiltrated.
01:36:30.000needs to have people who go on there and make everyone else look bad so people don't take some of these serious
01:37:55.000And let's be honest, some of it is legitimate, but then I also wonder maybe some of the celebration, maybe some of the victor all that's promoting this larger narrative and agenda could be potentially manipulated.
01:38:07.000I haven't proved it, but I just know for a fact.
01:38:09.000That it happened before with other agendas, with other special interests that manipulated the system to procure a perception that leads you to be programmed in a way that is beneficial for those doing the programming.
01:38:23.000And that's exactly what we have to understand here.
01:38:25.000When we're giving our attention, when we're looking at this timeline, we are giving a part of ourselves into this larger company that could now take so much from us.
01:38:36.000When something's free, you are the product.
01:38:38.000and they could twist it turn it and they could be like well you know well maybe he does need to buy this or this they already know so much about you it's absolutely terrifying so what can they do with that information the possibilities are endless and we should not be kidding ourselves if those possibilities aren't being used and institutionalized and implemented right now well That's the problem with proprietary code, in my opinion, is that you don't know what the algorithm is doing, which is why I'm obsessed with mines.
01:39:06.000I didn't even know when I met you, you were like, hey, let's build a social network.
01:39:49.000And people realize that if you're using some of these traditional operating systems, which you probably know, like Windows, you gotta pay for licenses.
01:40:06.000But then they build on top of it and they don't share their little secret sauce.
01:40:10.000And that's because it's an open source code and not a free code.
01:40:13.000Like isn't there software codes where if you build on top of it, you have to make different licensing structures.
01:40:18.000And so the difference is an open source software like Linux, you can build on top of it and make it private and then call that whole thing private.
01:40:25.000But with a free software code, you can build on top of it.
01:41:21.000It was the two guys from the government, both sides of the spectrum.
01:41:24.000So if it was like something involving civil liberties or surveillance or we're not, it would, it would be those two guys who, who voted together.
01:41:31.000And so, you know, that's where the truth is.
01:41:33.000And that's why, like, you know, some people don't like Tucker Carlson, but like Glenn Greenwald will get on there and talk to Tucker.
01:41:40.000I mean, you have like, that's an important, so yeah.
01:41:43.000So these people who are willing to have the conversations, but have radically different political beliefs, but that's why they're all called right wing.
01:42:15.000Like, most countries in the world that have universal healthcare, when the left is like, oh, all the countries do it, yeah, they have private health insurance on top of it.
01:42:20.000And that's what she's for, but they call her right-wing.
01:42:22.000They call all- Glenn Greenwald has been right-wing for a long time.
01:42:37.000The better way to put it is, he says what he thinks he needs to say to reach the lowest common denominator.
01:42:41.000But we also have to understand when we're talking about individuals like Tucker or Greenwald or Tracy, these are individuals who also criticize Trump, right?
01:42:49.000These are individuals who actually have, you know, virtues, who actually have principles, who actually have ideas that they believe in that they don't flip-flop on no matter what the political alignment is.
01:43:01.000They rather go on merit rather than political ideology which is something that's extremely rare should be promoted more but sadly we're seeing less and less of and we're going to see a lot less of that especially because behavior like that was not incentivized by the algorithms people knew if they wanted more followers they wanted more engagement they would Metaphorically take a dump on their political opposition and they were dunking on them and everyone was celebrating and they were fighting and then until the fighting gets so out of hand where here we are today in this censorship.
01:43:34.000They know it's going to spread more paranoia.
01:43:37.000They know it's going to spread more fear.
01:43:39.000They know it's going to spread more conspiracy theories disinformation and false news and it's going to make it worse.
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01:50:19.000None of us can go out to public squares, or to town hall, or even church, where we normally communicate, and you're forced into these ideological bubbles.
01:50:26.000Now they're banning, they tell you you can't go to church, then they ban you from social media.
01:51:38.000And then, like, whatever the faces do, they interpret it in some ridiculous way.
01:51:42.000And when Rick and Morty's parents are like, we don't want to be involved in this, then they tie them to balloons and prepare to send them to their deaths.
01:54:03.000Dan Orlowski says, the FCC sent out a message stating that broadcast station that they have an obligation to play the messages put out by the emergency alert system.
01:54:27.000Actually, Gavin McInnes drew a picture and posted it once, showing the political circle.
01:54:31.000But it's just another way to interpret certain beliefs in a spectrum.
01:54:36.000If you talk about left and right economically, it's easily aligned.
01:54:39.000When you talk about tradition versus progress, it's easily aligned.
01:54:43.000When you talk about authoritarianism, then you can make it a circle because there are certain groups that align with each other, but based on ideological differences like racism or something, they'll agree completely.
01:54:54.000Like, there are alt-right people who are for universal healthcare and left-wing politics, but they're racist.
01:54:59.000So it's like their politics, their market ideas, are very similar, but they have weird, you know, cultural ideas.
01:55:05.000Or like people that want Medicare for all, but they're authoritarian about it, versus people that want it, but they're libertarian about it.
01:55:12.000Like ban private health insurance versus let people buy private health insurance.
01:55:15.000It's the authoritarian versus the libertarian.
01:55:23.000Only the government can give you your health care.
01:55:25.000The libertarian approach is, we will create the option for universal health care, and then you can choose to get private insurance, because then you can have something, you know, supplemental if you can afford it, or if you need it.
01:55:37.000I don't understand the logic of taking away people's right to choose.
01:56:55.000But not like Donald Trump is necessarily a good president.
01:56:57.000Look, I think in terms of certain issues that I've talked about, particularly war and dealing with critical race theory, he's been a lot better than any president in my lifetime.
01:57:08.000He's had problems with some conflicts, but it's been, you know.
01:57:11.000Once I found out about the drone war and his escalation and secretization of the drone wars I got, I lost a lot of respect for Donald Trump.
01:57:18.000And that was only like a few months ago when I was talking to Luke about it on the show.
01:57:22.000I didn't realize that he had secretized government authorization of drone strikes now.
01:57:26.000It's like on the high command of the military.
01:57:29.000Dan Scope says, Order 66 has been called.
01:57:32.000The Jedi, defender of law and order, have become enemies of the Republic and must be removed.
01:57:36.000Next step is transfer emergency powers to the Chancellor to get us through the crisis.
01:57:40.000I just watched Revenge of the Sith the other night.
01:57:45.000Man, it's so different watching that movie now that I'm older.
01:57:47.000I can't remember, when did that come out?
01:58:54.000They said something to the effect of, Josh Hawley and these other Republican members of Congress will gladly accept a Trump fundraiser down the line.
02:00:19.000Well, there was a new report that the Capitol Police officers will be investigated for ties with white supremacy after Debbie Washerman Schultz, Congresswoman, released a statement saying that she thinks that there was insider... It was an inside job?
02:00:42.000And she thinks that some of them had ties to some of the protesters and now we're getting information that all the officers will be investigated for, quote, ties of white supremacy.
02:01:14.000This is slowly becoming China when it comes to their control of the internet.
02:01:19.000If you look at what happens when a small group of people control the internet, you essentially have China.
02:01:24.000Then you essentially have the social credit score.
02:01:26.000Then you essentially have them literally using American Twitter to talk about how great it is that Uyghur women are no longer baby-making machines and that it's great for gender equality that they have pretty much essentially concentration camps for them.
02:01:41.000It's so important to contextualize how the rest of the world is looking at us right now.
02:01:47.000OK, yes, people are probably disgusted with what happened at the Capitol, but like people in oppressive authoritarian government regimes are looking at this censorship and like being like, what are you doing?
02:02:00.000I mean, they are problems are just so much less than what's going on in in these countries where they can't even go on the Internet at all.
02:02:16.000I don't know if you guys saw this earlier, but Olive Garden put out a statement about Sean Hannity and banning him from the NeverEnding Possible.
02:03:04.000Airsoft Master says, Hey Tim, if Google, Facebook, and Twitter kind of companies keep heading the way they are going in regards to limiting speech, do you think we will ever be able to backtrack to before all of this, or is it to the point of no return?
02:03:16.000Look, if you only ever ban more and more people, then eventually there's no more people left to ban.
02:03:22.000And it'll be Jack Dorsey sitting in a small room going like, I think, um, um, there's, my opinion is bad.
02:04:10.000So it'll be like digital drive-by arguments where like Twitter will be left-wing and Parler will be right-wing and then someone on Twitter will go to Parler and then say something and screenshot it and go back to Twitter and post it.
02:04:21.000It looks like they banned Rush Limbaugh.
02:04:30.000We'll be able to move forward to a different dimension, like a different way of Internet.
02:04:36.000Like, I don't think the centralized proprietary services are going to be the future of social media.
02:04:42.000It'll be more of a, you know, decentralized.
02:04:44.000I like this are we've block blockchain, you know, mesh net type.
02:04:50.000I think there is a large group of people who do want to talk to people who are different from them and, you know, rational Democrats, Republicans, people on the left or right who want to go and find someone that's different from them.
02:05:02.000There's a pocket of people that exist like that.
02:05:06.000That's more what we're trying to do on Minds.com.
02:05:08.000Have the conversation cross-spectrum, be open to both sides, not just Not just one side or the other, but, you know, it is definitely, you know, you can either ride the divide, and that's what all of these big networks are doing, and that's what some alternatives are doing, or, you know, you can try to bridge people together, but it's way harder.
02:05:26.000We got a super chat here from Christopher Yager.
02:05:28.000He says, Tim vastly overestimates the degree to which the right would be using social media and internet to organize in a civil war scenario.
02:05:38.000But with that being said, there's a really interesting story I read once that, I don't know if it's true or not, but I read it in the context of nonfiction.
02:05:44.000I think it was in a magazine or something or some website.
02:05:46.000They talked about how there's, you know, modern warfare, and then there's the archaic forms of warfare we used to have.
02:05:53.000And they were doing a training scenario where they brought in a retired, you know, general or high-ranking officer.
02:05:58.000To lead a group to do a war game scenario against the current, you know, military, the modern warfare.
02:06:06.000And the modern group, with all their new technology and everything, lost to rudimentary and old school tactics and technologies.
02:06:13.000And what they did was, the linchpin for how the retired guy defeated the modern army was that the modern groups were relying on digital technology for communication.
02:06:22.000And so the old school guy slipped a note into the pocket of a guy on a motorcycle to transfer the orders, and they didn't know how to track what was being done or what they were saying or what they were going to do, and they were trying to monitor communications through radio, and it was just a guy on a bike with a note in his pocket.
02:06:37.000Gave him the orders, and then took him by surprise.
02:06:39.000It could be just an apocryphal story about not forgetting your fundamentals.
02:07:48.000And then YouTube has a separate approval process.
02:07:51.000And then once it's there, we'll feature it.
02:07:52.000And then the next one coming is the I am a gorilla love yourself.
02:07:55.000See, you know, the shirts we're making are silly.
02:07:57.000Like me with a bubble pipe saying Harumph.
02:07:59.000And Luke's got these very serious, like the world, the apocalypse is here and we're all doomed.
02:08:03.000Essentially, but they sell pretty good and I think it's a great way to meet people.
02:08:08.000When I wear the shirt, especially the toilet paper one, I have one that talks about the pyramid of control and on top is the toilet paper manufacturers.
02:08:17.000It starts conversations and then underneath is the Illuminati and then underneath is the CIA and the media.
02:08:23.000But again, it starts conversations, which is important because then you could see someone is a part of your tribe.
02:10:16.000No, I mean, like, someone had the idea, like, I know, what if we use a TV standard, that way people have, they can say things you can't say on Twitter, but we're still having moderation, that should be satisfactory, because the TV does it.
02:10:27.000Like, you can turn on TV shows and they, I'll tell you this, Cobra Kai, right?
02:12:53.000And there's actually a cool, this is a little bit of a name drop, but particularly for Bitcoin, you can earn interest at this site BlockFi.
02:13:02.000This guy, Anthony Pompliano, is on their board.
02:13:04.000Definitely anyone interested in Bitcoin, check out Pom.
02:13:09.000I went on his podcast a couple years ago.
02:13:11.000But block by you can earn interest on your Bitcoin and ETH just by holding it there now granted
02:13:17.000I'm not necessarily recommending that because you're putting custodial custody with them, but it's this I mean
02:13:21.000Gemini and coinbase You're giving them custody. So right the beauty of crypto
02:13:24.000is you can hold on in your own device, you know And you're saying you got a ledger. Yeah, which is great
02:13:28.000You can do that, put into cold storage and you can have sovereignty or you can use these services that can give you interest.
02:13:35.000But with ETH, it's moving towards more of like decentralized finance and there's all these protocols like Uniswap and whatnot where you can plug into and earn interest by providing liquidity.
02:13:45.000And it's like a whole new financial system that is blowing up.
02:13:49.000There's even like decentralized insurance protocols and lending protocols.
02:14:54.000Maybe the value of crypto is going to go up so much that it makes a new... Yeah, the library token went from like $0.02 to $0.10 in like the last couple months.
02:15:02.000I can imagine as the Mines Utility Token starts to gain, what's the trajectory of the Mines Utility Token?
02:15:08.000What's your plan for the next couple of years for it?
02:17:59.000Dude, if Don Lemon, no offense Don, I'm not parrying you, but if someone went on the news and said that, to go kill people, it would happen.
02:18:06.000That's crazy that people would go out there and hunt them down.
02:18:11.000Listen, look, when Cuomo is on, as CNN is basing their ratings, like predicating their strategy upon demonizing 75 million people, they know they've lost the audience and they've given up.
02:18:25.000So instead of saying, let's make a network that is more balanced so we can communicate to as many people as possible to make money, they said, now we're not going to get those people, just get the others.
02:18:33.000What happened was the polarization started getting so extreme that networks started picking a side that would make them money.
02:18:39.000Because the center don't pay that well.
02:19:09.000That's a common theme we see on major social platforms.
02:19:12.000And so I'll see BuzzFeed writers tweet about Trump, and then I'll see a Trump supporter tweet about Trump, and I'll be like, Ah, I see what they're saying.
02:19:18.000And then when I tweet, the craziest thing is, I'll tweet something like, you know, Ted Cruz condemned the violence and called for reconciliation.
02:19:27.000And then AOC immediately responded with, you should be expelled and resigned.
02:19:31.000But the left doesn't see what the right is talking about.
02:19:35.000And I'm like, yes, you're part of the, you're the problem.
02:19:37.000They call that the demand for escalation.
02:19:40.000And what's really interesting is even during Obama's first administration, when he was still the hope and change guy, end the wars, bring back privacy for the individuals, I had a subsection of my audience that was like, just admit it, you should be an Obama supporter.
02:19:53.000I was like, no, some of the things he's saying and promising is good, but it won't happen.
02:22:02.000And so the issue is, when I was on with, you know, it was two years ago now, with Joe and Jack.
02:22:09.000There was a tweet from Antifa explicitly advocating for violence, and I said, this has been reported hundreds of times probably, so it won't be removed.
02:22:17.000And then Joe pulls it up, and it's like, oh yeah, wow, they're like explicitly telling people to go take an action and go do something illegal.
02:23:22.000You said it was changed now to, is it a true threat of violence?
02:23:25.000Yeah, it seems to be sort of changing.
02:23:28.000I think in the state law of Pennsylvania, they were using the language true threat, but the Supreme Court precedent is the Brandenburg test.
02:23:37.000Whether or not they're actually telling someone to do something right now.
02:24:13.000Woody says, Tim, I understand non-violent civil disobedience, but the point of 2A, to bear arms, is to provide that check on government tyranny.
02:24:21.000My question is, when is such action necessary?
02:24:23.000A misguided attempt from the mostly peaceful protesters, for sure, but where's the line?
02:24:28.000Um, we had Vosch on the show, and he mentioned Nazi Germany.
02:24:32.000And I think everybody would agree, if they're rounding people up onto trains to bring them to concentration camps to be, you know, max genocided, you'd probably have to fight back.
02:24:58.000Now it's not passed, but it's been introduced.
02:25:00.000Basically it would allow Cuomo the power, and anyone who signs the power, to remove anyone without legit cause.
02:25:07.000Now, of course, the bill says they must have clear and present evidence of a communicable, you know, public health threat, epidemic, or contagion, contagion, or whatever.
02:25:16.000It means they're gonna be like, your delivery guy tested positive for COVID, so you are coming in the truck.
02:25:21.000Yeah, and like, where is the truck going?
02:25:23.000They didn't, that's the thing, the Jews didn't know.
02:25:25.000They were like, hey, we're gonna put you on trains and take you to a resort.
02:25:28.000They were telling them we're gonna take you to like another town or another place to set you up.
02:25:32.000They didn't tell them they were gonna go take them, throw them in ovens.
02:25:35.000So, Yeah, maybe they should have used weapons to defend themselves, but they didn't know that that's... And that's, and that's the problem.
02:25:41.000What happens when someone comes to your house and says, we'd like you to come with us, sir.
02:25:48.000It's crazy that it's almost the perfect storm of, of reasons and rationale you like with, with all the COVID stuff, all of the political as well.
02:25:57.000It's like, there's these two major reasons that people are sort of getting isolated into these groups and, It's crazy that both are happening at the same time.
02:26:08.000Well, I think it's fair to say it's going to get worse, not just because of the political collapse of the right, but because of the oncoming tsunami of financial consequences that are going to be there because of the lockdowns, because of this kind of larger idea of the Great Reset, which the Biden administration is going to be pushing, admittedly.
02:26:30.000Yeah, John Kerry, a part of Joe Biden's administration, admitted that the Great Reset is going to come faster and quicker than many people expected, and it's going to be done under the Joe Biden administration.
02:26:42.000So when that happens, that's going to be another major ramification.
02:26:45.000The major efforts to take away people's Second Amendment is going to be another major clash point, and we're headed towards a trajectory that is really, really dangerous for everyone, even if you're in the middle.
02:26:58.000Especially, and again, not just even if you're in the middle, to the people on the left as well, it's going to be against anyone not toting the official line, not loving the government, not being obedient to them in every possible way.
02:27:12.000So we had somebody comment saying that it was really easy to, you know, advocate for peaceful non-violence or non-violence of disobedience when you haven't had your life destroyed by the lockdowns and all that stuff.
02:27:23.000And that's a fair point except, you know, a fair point in terms of the stress.
02:27:28.000I just don't think what they did at the Capitol will actually make things better or make things worse.
02:27:40.000So I guess what I advocate for is self-sustainability and independence and security.
02:27:46.000Protect yourself, protect your family and your friends, learn how to survive and be self-reliant.
02:27:51.000Try and get away from the cities to the best of your ability.
02:27:54.000But I do feel that, you know, with the talk from Fauci and Bill Gates about this extending into 2022, going through another, what, year and a half or two years of this?
02:28:04.000I think that statement alone is them telling us they intend for violence.
02:28:40.000Like, they might just keep doing it on a regular basis.
02:28:43.000And the idea might be, by giving people a UBI, but taking away their ability to work and produce things, you end up with people only being able to buy bare necessities.
02:28:54.000It's almost like, if I were to imagine, It being on purpose, I'm not saying it is.
02:29:00.000But it's almost like trying to sweat out a fever.
02:29:52.000So, ultimately, they will probably have lockdowns going on for a few years.
02:29:58.000They'll give people only just enough, and it'll be fought over relentlessly in Congress, and then I think some people will snap.
02:30:05.000If the left doesn't get their $2,000 per month, they'll snap.
02:30:08.000If the right sees the country printing and just essentially devaluing the dollar like crazy, and then they can't run their businesses and fulfill their own lives and purposes and have freedom, they'll snap.
02:30:20.000So, I'm not optimistic about the future unless everything comes back to normal, which is probably not going to happen.
02:31:40.000That's like, you know, a couple hundred bucks per kid.
02:31:42.000But what is that going to do when the dollar's worthless?
02:31:45.000People who have bought Bitcoin will, in the land of the collapsed dollar, the man with Bitcoin is king.
02:31:49.000So that's like $600 billion a month is what they're looking at.
02:31:53.000$2,000 a month is what they're looking at.
02:31:55.000I mean, Ilhan Omar has called for $2,000 a month.
02:31:58.000Think about the mass amount of money they're printing every month if that was the case.
02:32:01.000I think Canada implemented a kind of similar system.
02:32:03.000I have to look that up, though, to be honest with you.
02:32:05.000What's interesting is a lot of people are saying, you know, the other day I mentioned I bought Bitcoin and they're like, Tim's buying the top.
02:32:10.000You know, you should wait till it goes down.
02:32:11.000And I'm like, well, you can look at the massive spikes of Bitcoin in the past where it's broken all-time high, broken all-time high, and then it does fall down.
02:32:19.000I think Bitcoin may go down as possible, but I also think those dips didn't happen right after a bunch of people stormed into the U.S.
02:32:29.000Capitol building, and there was a chaotic transition and mass purging on social media, and 66% of all U.S.
02:34:25.000The US government just printed 6 trillion, so they could have bought, for all we know that market could have been co-opted, and it's being controlled, it probably is, by big money.
02:34:33.000I was talking about this, we were talking about this before the show, the likelihood the US had the ability to just buy 51% of Bitcoin to control the network, perhaps, and you mentioned we won't know, and that's a good point.
02:38:44.000There's a great video called The Overpopulation is a Myth that brings out some scientific data that kind of suggest a lot of different things that you don't really hear on the mainstream media that people should check out, in my opinion.
02:38:55.000I think that Elon's boring company is way bigger than people realize right now.
02:38:59.000I was trying to invest in it, but I think Tesla owns it.
02:40:07.000Somebody... If you have a parent who has Alzheimer's and they said, with Neuralink, we can use a USB that would act as a memory backup and make sure their brain, you know... People would be like, absolutely, yes.
02:41:39.000But if the any all governments who are smart are stockpiling for the purposes of the treasury, and you were saying that there is risk and that there is for sure.
02:41:47.000I think I've been, you know, I have some Bitcoin.
02:41:52.000I wish I bought way more, you know, back in the day.
02:41:55.000And I regret not listening to Max Keiser.
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02:46:30.000And there's like 20 different ways where you could get involved.
02:46:32.000And I really, really, I mean, I got to admit it, like the people you have here, the people you've been able to galvanize, top A, amazing individuals.
02:46:40.000Some of them are like facetious, and they make a lot of funny comments.
02:46:43.000But I seriously, seriously, one of the best communities that you've been able to foment and build here.
02:47:08.000Yes, you can follow me in Crossland at most social networks, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, which I don't really check, Instagram, and Mines, of which I was a co-founder with Bill.
02:47:18.000And it could be very well the future of social media if we maintain its free software methodology.
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