Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Trump Pleads Not Guilty To Conspiracy Charges, Could Be REMANDED w-Liz Wheeler

00:00:00.000 Donald Trump appeared in court today in Washington, D.C.

00:00:22.000 He pleaded not guilty to the conspiracy charges.

00:00:26.000 He's been threatened with remand into custody, pretrial confinement.

00:00:30.000 If he communicates with any of the witnesses in the case, he agreed to these terms, and then he carried on his merry way.

00:00:35.000 And I will just say...

00:00:37.000 In the context of this story, the fact that they did not remand Trump into custody proves it is a political sham.

00:00:44.000 Because anybody who did anything... You know what?

00:00:48.000 Not even anything near.

00:00:49.000 If you stole a diamond necklace and you owned a bunch of jets, they'd be like, okay, this dude's a flight risk.

00:00:56.000 And you have buildings in foreign countries, you have properties all over the world, you own golf resorts, they'd be like, this guy's a flight risk.

00:01:02.000 They're accusing Donald Trump of trying to overthrow the U.S.

00:01:05.000 government.

00:01:06.000 An insurrection, a conspiracy to defraud the U.S., and they're like, you're free to go, good sir.

00:01:10.000 Just, you know, come back when we need you.

00:01:13.000 They don't seriously think this man did anything wrong.

00:01:15.000 It's political.

00:01:17.000 We also got a bunch of other news, my friends.

00:01:19.000 Ron DeSantis says that he is going to start, um...

00:01:23.000 I'm gonna save what he said for when we get later in the show, because it's probably too soon in the show to say exactly what Rhonda said to Zedd.

00:01:30.000 But let's just put it simply, he used a very graphic analogy, a metaphor, for firing intelligence agencies, intelligence agents.

00:01:39.000 So, yeah, he's very, very serious on that.

00:01:41.000 And then we got big news.

00:01:42.000 There's a leaked clip that came out from Tucker Carlson's show with the former chief of police of the Capitol Police, where he basically says it looks like January 6th was a cover-up Someone may have wanted this to happen, and he was the guy in charge, basically saying he was being obstructed.

00:01:57.000 So we're gonna talk about all of that.

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00:03:02.000 And joining us today, tonight, to talk about this and so much more is Liz Wheeler.

00:03:06.000 Thanks for having me.

00:03:06.000 Hi, Tim.

00:03:07.000 Absolutely.

00:03:08.000 Who are you?

00:03:08.000 What do you do?

00:03:09.000 I host The Liz Wheeler Show.

00:03:09.000 I'm Liz Wheeler.

00:03:10.000 You can find it on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, anywhere you find your podcasts.

00:03:14.000 I also have a new book coming out called Hide Your Children, exposing the Marxists behind the attack on America's kids.

00:03:20.000 You can find that at hideyourchildrenbook.com.

00:03:22.000 That's a good name.

00:03:23.000 Thanks.

00:03:23.000 You want to know where I got that name, actually, from that meme?

00:03:26.000 Yeah, the video.

00:03:26.000 The video?

00:03:27.000 Antoine Dodson, Hide Your Wife, Hide Your Kids.

00:03:29.000 Tell me he's writing your foreword.

00:03:31.000 No, I should have asked him, though.

00:03:32.000 Yeah, he's out there.

00:03:34.000 Isn't he, like, kind of right-leaning or something?

00:03:36.000 You would think after that experience.

00:03:36.000 I don't know.

00:03:38.000 Yeah.

00:03:38.000 Right.

00:03:39.000 Yeah.

00:03:40.000 I mean, there's another story.

00:03:41.000 A woman in Portland got mercilessly beaten by a homeless guy.

00:03:45.000 Now she's a Republican. 0.99

00:03:46.000 Surprise, surprise.

00:03:47.000 But thanks for hanging out.

00:03:48.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

00:03:49.000 Hannah Clare is here.

00:03:50.000 Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimelow.

00:03:52.000 I'm back.

00:03:52.000 I'm a writer for TimCast.com.

00:03:54.000 You should follow them on all the social medias.

00:03:56.000 And Ian's here.

00:03:57.000 Well, hello everyone, Ian Crossland.

00:03:58.000 Happy to be here on this Thursday night.

00:03:59.000 Awesome night.

00:04:00.000 Liz, great to see you again.

00:04:01.000 Good to see you.

00:04:01.000 Looking forward to hearing about your book.

00:04:02.000 Thank you.

00:04:03.000 What's up, Serge?

00:04:04.000 I love how on the bottom of your shot there, that carnivore thing, just says carnivore underneath the end.

00:04:09.000 It's sweet.

00:04:10.000 Carnivore snacks.

00:04:11.000 His life is changing, guys.

00:04:12.000 He's working out now.

00:04:14.000 We, uh, we went on Public Square, the app, and we bought a bunch of jerky.

00:04:17.000 So we got carnivore snacks and anthem jerky, and it is all just some of the best jerky I've ever had.

00:04:22.000 This is like beef and salt.

00:04:23.000 These are the ingredients.

00:04:24.000 It is like slimy with beef fat.

00:04:26.000 It is the greatest- You gotta- Like- Man.

00:04:29.000 That is good stuff.

00:04:30.000 The carnivore snacks, it is literally a piece of steak with fat on it.

00:04:33.000 Yeah.

00:04:34.000 It's crazy.

00:04:35.000 I pulled one out last night during the after show and looked at it and was like, why is this beef jerky white?

00:04:39.000 And Brett was like, it's the fat.

00:04:40.000 It's the best part.

00:04:41.000 It's the most delicious part.

00:04:41.000 I was not expecting it.

00:04:43.000 It's intense.

00:04:43.000 Super good for you.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, anyways, let's get started.

00:04:46.000 All right, here's the story.

00:04:47.000 Ladies and gentlemen, today, Donald Trump arrived in Washington, D.C., pleaded not guilty.

00:04:51.000 Politico reports Trump pleads not guilty to charges that he conspired to overturn the 2020 election.

00:04:56.000 At the former president's arraignment, prosecutors and defense lawyers signaled immediate disagreement over how quickly he should stand trial.

00:05:01.000 So my understanding is, I think they have it in here somewhere, the next date will be August 28th.

00:05:07.000 Was that it?

00:05:08.000 Do they even... How far down do I gotta go for them to confirm it?

00:05:11.000 But I'm pretty sure.

00:05:11.000 Here we go.

00:05:12.000 Chutkan's first hearing was set for August 28th.

00:05:14.000 Before then, prosecutors in Trump's defense team were ordered to submit briefs proposing a schedule for the trial.

00:05:19.000 Chutkan expects to set a trial date at the August 28th hearing.

00:05:24.000 Trump criticized Chutkan in a social media post a few hours before.

00:05:27.000 Calling her unfair. So apparently the reporting is that Jack Smith is trying to try this

00:05:32.000 Extremely quickly saying we need a speedy trial here probably because the primaries are coming up and

00:05:38.000 You know, there's another story we'll get into Rhonda Santa's debating Gavin Newsom

00:05:44.000 I kind of feel like that's what the deep state is hoping for

00:05:47.000 Gavin Newsom not Joe Biden and Rhonda Santa's not Donald Trump

00:05:51.000 I am not trying to imply that either of them are working for the deep state or the intelligence agencies.

00:05:56.000 I am saying that they don't want a failing Joe Biden because he can't win, and they despise Donald Trump, so they're trying to get whatever they can.

00:06:03.000 Thus, Jack Smith is like, let's get this speedy and rushed through.

00:06:08.000 But I'll add one thing before we all just jump into the conversation.

00:06:13.000 I think the fact that they did not remand Trump to custody proves it is not a legitimate criminal trial.

00:06:20.000 And people can make the argument, oh no, Trump's not a flight risk.

00:06:23.000 Nobody thinks he'll flee.

00:06:24.000 He's running for president.

00:06:25.000 It's like, okay, fair point.

00:06:27.000 But they're accusing him of trying to overthrow the government.

00:06:31.000 That's what they're saying on MSNBC.

00:06:33.000 This guy owns a 757, a Cessna Citation.

00:06:38.000 He owns two helicopters.

00:06:40.000 He probably has access to more jets than just those.

00:06:43.000 Not to mention, being a billionaire, he can easily charter a private jet.

00:06:46.000 If they legitimately thought Trump was a threat to democracy, And that he was trying to overthrow the government.

00:06:54.000 How could they not order him to be remanded?

00:06:59.000 It just makes me start to wonder, like, who are his secret service agents?

00:07:02.000 And where are their loyalties?

00:07:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:05.000 Do they think that they'll just be like, no, no, we won't let you flee if you really wanted to.

00:07:09.000 I'm sure he could figure it out.

00:07:12.000 The entire case against Trump, and I made this argument the other night, was it's obviously intended to destroy the pattern and momentum of his campaign, right?

00:07:23.000 Jack Smith was happily investigating for years and then all of a sudden he's ready and we have to rush this prosecution.

00:07:29.000 Doesn't seem suspicious at all.

00:07:30.000 Oh wait, of course it's complete convenience.

00:07:32.000 Trump could go to his jumbo jet and say, we're going to do a rally.

00:07:36.000 We have a scheduled rally in Insert City, Milwaukee.

00:07:40.000 And then they all get on the plane.

00:07:42.000 And then as soon as the plane takes off, he goes to the pilot and says, we're going to El Salvador.

00:07:48.000 And then, you know, people could argue like, oh, there's no flight plan.

00:07:51.000 He could just do it.

00:07:52.000 They could just do it.

00:07:53.000 The problem is if he left, excuse me, he wouldn't be able to be president.

00:07:57.000 Of course.

00:07:57.000 That would burn the bridge.

00:07:58.000 And I know he doesn't want to burn that bridge.

00:08:00.000 That's sort of a considerable flight risk.

00:08:02.000 I don't buy it.

00:08:03.000 They're accusing Trump of some of the most serious crimes in the history of this country.

00:08:07.000 They're claiming that he attempted to steal.

00:08:09.000 They're claiming that he called for an insurrection to stage a coup on the Capitol to steal power.

00:08:17.000 That is seditious.

00:08:19.000 They're effectively arguing whether they didn't charge him with it or not.

00:08:24.000 Seditious conspiracy.

00:08:25.000 And then being like, ah, you're good.

00:08:26.000 Go on home, buddy.

00:08:28.000 Here's what I think, though.

00:08:28.000 I don't.

00:08:29.000 I think that we're missing one little point.

00:08:30.000 I agree with you that it's obviously not serious charges if they actually thought he was a threat.

00:08:34.000 They would have kept him in pretrial detention just like they did with so many of the January 6th defendants.

00:08:38.000 Exactly.

00:08:39.000 Which I thought was setting a legal precedent so that they could do this with Trump.

00:08:42.000 I still think they're going to.

00:08:43.000 I don't think that just because they let him walk out today that that means that they're not going to.

00:08:48.000 I think they obviously want to put Trump in prison because they despise Trump.

00:08:52.000 They think it'll destroy his presidential campaign.

00:08:54.000 But if you look at the crux of what this indictment from Jack Smith is, it's really against political speech.

00:09:00.000 It's a violation of your First Amendment right to have an opinion that is different than the opinion of the Joe Biden administration, which we can talk about the trickle-down Affects of that, but I think that they want to criminalize not just Trump's free speech, they want to criminalize us.

00:09:15.000 So how do they do that?

00:09:17.000 Well, they wait until this story's passed.

00:09:19.000 He tweets something they disagree with.

00:09:20.000 They say it's, you know, ruining this case.

00:09:22.000 They put him in pre-trial detention because they want some crazed Trump supporter to commit an act of violence so that they can say, well, it's not just a crime when Trump says this, it's a crime when all y'all say this, and we're going to crack down on you.

00:09:34.000 I think there could be a component to that.

00:09:35.000 I think part of the free speech angle or the criticism of political speech is that they never got a smoking gun.

00:09:39.000 There's really nothing there.

00:09:41.000 So now they're going to have to make a very obscure political argument.

00:09:46.000 I think if Trump, you're totally right, if he fled the country, he couldn't be president.

00:09:51.000 I think part of it is sort of gambling with them.

00:09:51.000 It obviously works.

00:09:54.000 They really want the perp walk.

00:09:55.000 They want an image of him in handcuffs.

00:09:57.000 They want that to be all you see for a long time.

00:10:00.000 And so, again, for me, all of this comes back to timing, right?

00:10:04.000 They could do it right now, but he's gaining.

00:10:07.000 Every time they indict him, he jumps in the polls.

00:10:09.000 So if they released a picture of him in handcuffs, who's to say this wouldn't actually bolster

00:10:14.000 his supporters?

00:10:15.000 It would help.

00:10:16.000 Exactly.

00:10:17.000 That's why they won't remand him.

00:10:18.000 That's my point.

00:10:19.000 If they genuinely thought Trump tried to overthrow this country and led an insurrection against

00:10:25.000 an official proceeding, they'd be like, lock him up and throw away the key.

00:10:29.000 There are people still in jail right now without charge or trial for having trespassed at the

00:10:35.000 And you mean to tell me that they're like, Trump, you are free to go, but we think you're the one who orchestrated all of it.

00:10:40.000 Nah, BS.

00:10:41.000 They don't believe it at all.

00:10:42.000 Think about the QAnon shaman, right? 0.98

00:10:43.000 Jacob Chansley.

00:10:45.000 We all saw that video when Tucker aired it after McCarthy gave him all the film from January 6th.

00:10:51.000 You can make an argument that he shouldn't have been in the Capitol.

00:10:53.000 Like, that's fine.

00:10:54.000 But obviously not violent, right?

00:10:55.000 He was just kind of meandering around in there.

00:10:56.000 And he was kept in pretrial detention and then in prison for how long?

00:11:00.000 Because he was considered to be... He was considered to be... It was the same charge that... One of the same charges that Trump is obstruction of an official government proceeding.

00:11:06.000 Yeah.

00:11:07.000 And he... I mean, come on.

00:11:08.000 I mean, it's the same thing with, like, the Proud Boy conspiracy trial.

00:11:11.000 It's crazy.

00:11:12.000 I will say, because you brought it up, you know, we felt like the January 6th, you know, imprisonment was sort of a sense of precedent.

00:11:20.000 And it makes me wonder, is there a fear among left-leaning lawmakers and Democrats that eventually Republicans will go after maybe Hillary Clinton or someone else?

00:11:30.000 And then if they put Trump in jail right now, then they are setting the precedent that their leaders will have to go to jail at the same point during the trial.

00:11:38.000 Maybe this is a sign that they are actually scared.

00:11:41.000 Maybe.

00:11:42.000 I don't think they have anything to worry about.

00:11:44.000 Democrats going to jail when Republicans are in power.

00:11:46.000 Unfortunately, I agree.

00:11:47.000 I agree.

00:11:48.000 Republicans are going to send strongly worded letters. 0.99

00:11:51.000 And then it's just the most pathetic, pathetic thing imaginable. 0.93

00:11:54.000 The the the the indictment against Donald Trump lays lays forth this this idea that you could indict someone for defrauding this country over elections. 0.93

00:12:07.000 So where are any of the Republican DAs anywhere in this country to indict Hillary Clinton?

00:12:18.000 Well, I mean, she's publicly stated over and over again that Trump was illegitimate, and she was doing it to try and, you know, steal power and all of these things.

00:12:28.000 She was accusing Trump of being a Russian during the election.

00:12:32.000 Oh, all right, all right. 0.97

00:12:33.000 You know, 2015, all of the stuff that they started pulling out against Donald Trump, accusing him of working with Russians and being a Russian ass and all that stuff, that was before Trump won.

00:12:42.000 What's the statute of limitations on that?

00:12:43.000 I can't imagine it's only a couple years.

00:12:44.000 It's got to be at least 10, right?

00:12:46.000 Felony?

00:12:46.000 Maybe there's no statute.

00:12:48.000 Where's any Republican to be like, okay, we're filing charges?

00:12:51.000 The jurisdiction touches everything.

00:12:52.000 It's legal to say that you think an election was fraudulent if you truly believe it.

00:12:57.000 Not according to the indictment.

00:12:58.000 But that's what the indictment's bringing up, though.

00:13:00.000 The indictment's basically saying that Trump's opinion, even though he genuinely believed No, no, no, no.

00:13:04.000 The indictment says that Trump stated things that he knew were false, and therefore it's illegal.

00:13:08.000 Right, I know, but like, it's pretty obvious to everyone that Trump believed what he was saying.

00:13:12.000 Sure, and let's make the same argument that Hillary Clinton knew she was lying, the same as they say about Trump, and go arrest her. 1.00

00:13:17.000 Republicans are pathetic Spineless, whiny losers. 1.00

00:13:21.000 The thing is, you can't prove if they knew it or not. 1.00

00:13:23.000 There's no way to prove that.

00:13:24.000 That's actually one of the biggest flaws, I think, besides the attack on the First Amendment.

00:13:28.000 That's one of the biggest legal flaws, is the bar for the intent in these different statutes is so high.

00:13:34.000 I mean, it's arguably unconstitutional, but it would be next to impossible to prove if you had unbiased jurors, which I suppose there's a huge caveat in this case because it's going to be in Washington, D.C., so... Not unless Trump gets it in West Virginia, which I would personally love.

00:13:48.000 There's no way that's going to happen, though.

00:13:49.000 It'd be the best thing of all time.

00:13:51.000 He for sure.

00:13:52.000 I mean, I don't know, but he really seems to believe like that election was fraudulent.

00:13:57.000 He's very straightforward about it.

00:13:58.000 He's been the entire time.

00:13:59.000 I don't understand why they would assume that he's lying.

00:14:03.000 It makes no sense.

00:14:03.000 They're not assuming he's lying.

00:14:04.000 They are lying.

00:14:05.000 They're purporting that he's lying, I suppose.

00:14:08.000 They know Trump really believes it, but they're lying.

00:14:11.000 And so the issue is...

00:14:13.000 Why is it that Vivek Ramaswamy is filing his lawsuits against the DOJ for information pertaining to the communications between Biden and Garland, as per this indictment?

00:14:23.000 Why is it Vivek?

00:14:24.000 He's not even a politician.

00:14:25.000 And he's more effective than, what, every Republican?

00:14:28.000 I'll give Matt Gaetz a pass.

00:14:29.000 He's doing a lot of really great stuff.

00:14:31.000 He's always on top of stuff.

00:14:32.000 But Vivek's just a candidate, and he's like, I'm gonna file a lawsuit.

00:14:36.000 Can we get a single member of Congress to do something?

00:14:38.000 No, they're too busy holding hearings so they can get viral Twitter clips, Tim.

00:14:42.000 Yeah, that's about right.

00:14:43.000 It's much more important.

00:14:44.000 That's it!

00:14:45.000 Do you spend much time over there at Congress?

00:14:48.000 Not if I can help it.

00:14:49.000 Check out this tweet from EndWokeness.

00:14:51.000 Trump now faces three indictments, 78 charges, 641 years in prison.

00:14:55.000 And we have this, uh, this is great.

00:14:57.000 Look at this.

00:14:57.000 Corruptly obstructing an official proceeding.

00:14:59.000 One count.

00:15:00.000 Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.

00:15:02.000 One count.

00:15:04.000 32 counts of retention of national defense information.

00:15:06.000 34 counts of falsifying business records.

00:15:10.000 And then you got scheme to conceal lying to the U.S.

00:15:13.000 government.

00:15:14.000 641 years in prison is what they're trying to throw at this guy.

00:15:18.000 That's true.

00:15:19.000 So how do you think MSNBC is handling this?

00:15:21.000 They think it's reasonable.

00:15:21.000 not over sentencing.

00:15:22.000 Then he'd be as old as Biden when he got out.

00:15:25.000 That's true.

00:15:26.000 So how do you think MSNBC is handling this?

00:15:29.000 They think it's reasonable.

00:15:30.000 Take a look at this clip from MSNBC.

00:15:34.000 And I would appreciate it if you all would would listen.

00:15:37.000 One day our children's children will read American history.

00:15:41.000 And can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the government so they could stay in power?

00:15:50.000 That's what we're looking at.

00:15:51.000 We're looking at American history.

00:15:53.000 Could you imagine if Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the government?

00:15:58.000 I am shocked!

00:15:59.000 Everyone knows Thomas Jefferson stood valiantly before the people of this great continent and said, God save the king, all hail the king, we love the crown, Britain forever.

00:16:12.000 That's exactly the story of the Founding Fathers.

00:16:14.000 But I just want to add, I love, first of all, how he's so... I'm sorry, man.

00:16:19.000 He's talking about the Founding Fathers quite literally overthrew the government.

00:16:23.000 And yeah, but more importantly, he's comparing Donald Trump to the Founding Fathers who overthrew a tyrant for the people and established this great nation.

00:16:34.000 They succeeded.

00:16:35.000 It's kind of a weird perspective.

00:16:37.000 It's like you're comparing Trump to the Founding Fathers right there.

00:16:41.000 It's kind of like, OK, well, that's like a weird thing to do because people like them.

00:16:44.000 And then being like to overthrow the government, I'm like, yeah, they succeeded at doing that.

00:16:48.000 So he's obviously in his defense, he's talking about if they'd invite, you know, 1811, Thomas Jefferson was still 1806 or whatever.

00:16:56.000 He was still refusing to let go of power and was like, we are going to be the new monarchy.

00:17:01.000 Um, and so he's referring to that.

00:17:05.000 That's what Napoleon did. 0.73

00:17:07.000 Absolutely not.

00:17:08.000 He's talking about what if Thomas Jefferson pulled a Napoleon.

00:17:10.000 Ian, you are fabricating context to defend someone for no reason.

00:17:13.000 If you think that Al Sharpton doesn't know that Thomas Jefferson was involved in the American Revolution, then you're lost.

00:17:18.000 is not an actual effective thought leader.

00:17:21.000 He is the equivalent of a political ambulance chaser, right?

00:17:24.000 He shows up to do a couple hits, to fundraise, and to make himself feel good.

00:17:29.000 He's not a reliable source for anything.

00:17:31.000 So the fact that this is who they're triaging with should tell you that he has no idea what he's talking about and they are grasping at straws.

00:17:39.000 And I'm not saying he did not know they were involved in a revolution.

00:17:42.000 I'm taking his statement as it is.

00:17:44.000 I'm establishing no alternative context like you are doing.

00:17:48.000 The man compared Donald Trump to founding fathers who overthrew the government, succeeded to remove a tyrant.

00:17:55.000 I mean, Thomas Jefferson literally wrote the document that said, this is why we are overthrowing you.

00:17:59.000 This is why we're justified.

00:18:00.000 This is why we have no other recourse.

00:18:02.000 We are now in charge.

00:18:03.000 We're severing the political bonds.

00:18:05.000 The Declaration of Independence was them literally saying, you have no authority anymore, we're in charge now.

00:18:10.000 Well, I'm steelmanning his argument for now. 1.00

00:18:12.000 It's funny, we can laugh at the guy and be like, dumb idiot, you didn't know. 0.99

00:18:14.000 But like, obviously he's talking about if Thomas Jefferson had overthrown the American government. 1.00

00:18:18.000 That makes no sense.

00:18:19.000 There's no context in what he said to assume he's talking about 1811 or anything after that.

00:18:22.000 Why would you think he's talking about King George?

00:18:25.000 That Thomas Jefferson didn't overthrow King George?

00:18:27.000 Because I think when you invoke the founding fathers, the obvious example is, yes, they overthrew a government.

00:18:31.000 They overthrew the British government.

00:18:33.000 But they didn't overthrow our government.

00:18:34.000 Sure, it was our government at the time.

00:18:37.000 Before they overthrew it, it was our government.

00:18:38.000 Not to mention the critical race theory argument is that the Founding Fathers were wealthy white slave owners who didn't want to pay taxes, so in order to maintain their status and power overthrew the government. 0.99

00:18:50.000 Like, the point is, it is a stupid thing to say. 0.99

00:18:54.000 I agree with that. 0.99

00:18:54.000 But I stand by it. 0.99

00:18:55.000 And it's out of context.

00:18:56.000 Al Sharpton can't expect anything better.

00:18:57.000 What's funny is MSNBC, did they even, did they push back on this at all?

00:19:00.000 Or were they just like, oh... No, they're like, Reverend Al Sharpton, thank you for blessing us with your presence here today.

00:19:05.000 We're so grateful you could show up.

00:19:06.000 I just want to rephrase it.

00:19:07.000 Can you imagine, like, let me get my crystal ball.

00:19:09.000 Yes, I can imagine.

00:19:10.000 It would be first a declaration, and then a revolution, and then a free country, the greatest the world has ever known.

00:19:15.000 I can actually imagine.

00:19:16.000 To be fair, it was a revolution, then a declaration.

00:19:19.000 And the French Revolution went haywire.

00:19:21.000 They started a revolution.

00:19:22.000 It looked pretty good.

00:19:22.000 And then they wouldn't let go of the power.

00:19:24.000 Robespierre went insane.

00:19:25.000 Completely egomaniacal. 0.97

00:19:27.000 And then they started killing each other.

00:19:29.000 And then Napoleon seized it.

00:19:30.000 But you know why that is? 0.94

00:19:31.000 To be fair, Robespierre was always insane.

00:19:33.000 In the beginning, he was really lovable.

00:19:35.000 He was like a brilliant orator.

00:19:36.000 He was a lawyer.

00:19:37.000 Everyone liked him.

00:19:38.000 He was the most level-headed of all of them.

00:19:40.000 Yeah, I learned an important lesson from Occupy Wall Street because I knew some of these far leftists and, you know, they fought for free speech in 2011.

00:19:49.000 And then when it came to the free speech arguments in 2018 and 19, I asked these guys, like this one guy I knew, I was like, how could you be for free speech back then?

00:19:57.000 And all of a sudden your opinion changed. 1.00

00:19:59.000 And he laughed and said, because you're too stupid. 1.00

00:20:01.000 You didn't realize we were using you. 1.00

00:20:02.000 We hate liberals.

00:20:04.000 When you defended our speech, it empowered us.

00:20:06.000 And now we want to take yours away from you because we want power.

00:20:08.000 And I was like, oh, it makes sense.

00:20:10.000 Also, you know what we were talking about just before we went on air?

00:20:12.000 We were talking about libertarianism versus a more ordered liberty, like a recognition of moral order.

00:20:17.000 That's the biggest difference between the French Revolution and the American Revolution.

00:20:20.000 The American Revolution was based, and I know this is really historically nerdy, was based on this idea that there was some fundamental objective truth that we didn't just determine as populism, right?

00:20:31.000 And the French Revolution chose libertarianism instead, so we ordered our constitution on Original justice, which is like Judeo-Christian values in the French Revolution, didn't.

00:20:40.000 They ordered it as freedom as the ultimate end, whereas we viewed freedom as the means to something greater.

00:20:46.000 And I think that one of the big differences, a catalyst, and one of the principal catalysts for the French Revolution was economics.

00:20:53.000 People were starving, there was famine, and so you had all these French people being like, don't know, don't care, I'm angry. 1.00

00:20:59.000 And that just led to beheadings and other chaos.

00:21:01.000 Whereas in the United States, it was consistent oppressive actions by the crown, and things like no representation in government, and the founding fathers and many of the state leaders would repeatedly petition the crown for things that made more sense on our behalf, and they would just say no, screw off over and over again.

00:21:20.000 So the revolutionary period was actually about 20 years long, and the Declaration of Independence was way later on in that whole period.

00:21:27.000 That's an interesting point about the secularism of the French Revolution.

00:21:32.000 It's interesting, I hadn't really thought much about it, but that the American Revolution was like, I don't know if it's a Christian revolution, they put God in a lot of their writings.

00:21:39.000 Then the French Revolution was all about like, do away with the old God, create a new religion, create a new calendar, you know, we don't want to adhere to these old traditions. 0.77

00:21:47.000 I saw an interesting video where some conservative dude was doing one of those gotcha videos of stupid people in Times Square and he asked, what year did America gain its independence? 0.92

00:21:58.000 And I thought that question was really, really funny because even he did not know the answer. 0.98

00:22:02.000 Cause what, what year was it?

00:22:04.000 Anybody have a guess?

00:22:07.000 81, 1781.

00:22:07.000 Are you talking about technically?

00:22:09.000 Because, I mean, if you want to be real philosophical about this, you could argue that in some ways where it's a continuous battle that's ongoing forever.

00:22:14.000 2023 be a... Yeah, I mean, that's kind of like a lame answer, but... I actually don't know the year.

00:22:18.000 Are you talking about, like, when the Constitution, when the Revolution ended?

00:22:21.000 I would have guessed 1776.

00:22:22.000 The surrender of Cornwallis.

00:22:24.000 Was that 81?

00:22:25.000 Did they fight all the way to 81?

00:22:26.000 Yeah, 81.

00:22:27.000 At Yorktown.

00:22:28.000 So that was...

00:22:32.000 No, wait, that's the wrong one.

00:22:35.000 Uh, 1781.

00:22:36.000 So they announced it in 76?

00:22:37.000 So, you could make the argument that we had our independence in 1776, but I disagree.

00:22:44.000 Uh, declaring it didn't change the fact the crown asserted their right and started shooting at Americans to and actually controlled a bunch of cities and

00:22:53.000 occupied places.

00:22:54.000 So we did not have it. It wasn't until Cornwallis surrendered that we actually gained it.

00:22:58.000 So 1781, but I think it's funny because they're like, what year was it?

00:23:00.000 It's supposed to be 1776. And it's like, no, actually, that's when, you know, they started sending in the troops.

00:23:04.000 Right. Granted, they were already sending in the troops, to be fair.

00:23:07.000 And that's kind of a catalyst for it. But yeah, you know, I think.

00:23:11.000 I think what happened right after is what's interesting, because we didn't have the Constitution for a while after, right?

00:23:16.000 Instead, we had the Articles of Confederation, and that was structured on more of a libertarian basis, and it resulted in chaos, and they realized that we couldn't order a society along those lines, so we had to use the Constitution to reorder it along James Madison's viewpoints.

00:23:32.000 Which were more ordered liberty.

00:23:33.000 And I think there is something you said for the question of, you know, people think it's 1776 because they think when you declared that you were independent you had independence because you have awoken to this concept.

00:23:42.000 Right, you claimed it in a sense.

00:23:43.000 You claimed it, you're aware that you want these things, but I think it is important to underscore that you actually had to fight for it.

00:23:48.000 And to your point, you have to keep this going, right?

00:23:52.000 You can cede ground at any point and lose liberty.

00:23:53.000 A republic if you can keep it?

00:23:55.000 To be fair, I was even wrong about that.

00:23:57.000 The American Revolution officially ended September 3rd, 1783 with the signing of the Treaty of Paris.

00:24:04.000 Cornwallis surrendered in 81.

00:24:05.000 Cornwallis's surrender in 81 ended any chance of the British actually being able to win a war.

00:24:10.000 And so from that point on, there was still conflict and occupation, but then the treaty was signed in 1783.

00:24:14.000 That's crazy, right?

00:24:16.000 Yeah.

00:24:16.000 Like, the American Revolution took place over 20 some odd years.

00:24:19.000 You could have been born a couple years after the start of this period and then fought in the war.

00:24:24.000 You know, like your whole life was hearing about all this revolutionary stuff.

00:24:28.000 I mean, that's true of anyone who deployed to Afghanistan, right?

00:24:31.000 I knew people who were in... Born after 9-11.

00:24:34.000 Some people were born after 9-11 and ended up serving in Afghanistan.

00:24:37.000 So these things happen.

00:24:38.000 Yeah, that's trippy.

00:24:39.000 It is trippy, right?

00:24:40.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 That makes me so mad, the Afghanistan stuff.

00:24:43.000 Because I have been thinking a lot about the draft.

00:24:45.000 We talked about the draft a few days ago and how people were talking about it and it's like the military numbers aren't doing very well.

00:24:52.000 Because they sent us into that occupying war in the Middle East, in Afghanistan, and then Iraq, and Libya. 0.72

00:24:57.000 We conquered Iraq, and then we conquered Libya. 0.85

00:25:00.000 And people are getting pissed off that Russia wants to conquer a trade port right on its border? 0.97

00:25:03.000 Like, are you fucking kidding me? 0.97

00:25:04.000 We took Libya. 0.99

00:25:05.000 We're in control of Libya right now.

00:25:07.000 We own Libya. 1.00

00:25:09.000 It's the grossest shit. 1.00

00:25:10.000 And I mean, we need to inspire our military. 1.00

00:25:12.000 That's what bothers me is that there's demoralization in the military.

00:25:15.000 I don't think we own Libya.

00:25:16.000 I think we destroyed it.

00:25:18.000 Yeah.

00:25:18.000 And now there's a slave trade.

00:25:22.000 Did we set up Sidney Blumenthal's Osprey Global Solutions there?

00:25:24.000 Libya for a while has been ruled by like random warring tribes since the fall of Gaddafi.

00:25:31.000 Yeah, it's basically an American puppet state at the moment.

00:25:33.000 My problem wasn't that we went into Afghanistan.

00:25:35.000 I think that was perfectly morally justified after we had been attacked on 9-11.

00:25:40.000 My problem was how they handled it.

00:25:41.000 Like, you go into a war, you have terms of engagement that allow our fighting men and women to win, and you actually have a plan for victory, and you have an objective that is victory.

00:25:50.000 Like, you get in, you do your thing, you get out.

00:25:52.000 Like, don't drag it on forever.

00:25:54.000 There was no reason to go into Afghanistan.

00:25:57.000 If the argument is that we should have gone to Afghanistan because some of the 9-11 hijackers were Afghani, it's like, what about Egypt?

00:26:02.000 Well, the Taliban? 0.84

00:26:03.000 Yeah, but what about Egypt or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?

00:26:06.000 I mean, Saudi Arabia got sued, I think, over 9-11.

00:26:10.000 I'm not going to get into the whole history of that because there's too many gaps in my knowledge, but it wasn't like it was just the Taliban that did it.

00:26:17.000 Osama bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan.

00:26:19.000 There was funding coming from various sources in various Middle Eastern countries.

00:26:23.000 Some of the hijackers were Egyptian.

00:26:24.000 We didn't go and invade those countries.

00:26:26.000 I don't disagree with that.

00:26:27.000 I think that the Taliban was giving safe passage to Osama bin Laden.

00:26:30.000 So you can go back and make that argument.

00:26:32.000 I'm not, especially against Saudi Arabia, I think that they were certainly not held accountable because they were a territorial ally, if you will.

00:26:39.000 I think part of the problem- Fifteen were citizens of Saudi Arabia!

00:26:43.000 Two were from the Emirates, one was from Egypt, and one was from Lebanon.

00:26:46.000 Most of them were from Saudi Arabia, and we're just like, nah, that's cool, Saudi's like, we're alright with you.

00:26:50.000 I think part of the problem is that war, that we pretended wasn't a war, but obviously was a war, never ended, right?

00:26:56.000 I can tell you people born after it deployed to Afghanistan, but then the Biden administration said, we want to pull out on September 11th to have some symbolic win for our administration.

00:27:05.000 We all saw how that went.

00:27:07.000 Like, there is something fundamentally wrong.

00:27:08.000 And I think to your point, you know, I have family members and I know people who are part of the military and there is an energy of discouragement, but also I don't think our culture knows totally how to handle our military, right?

00:27:24.000 I mean, I think a lot of us are anti-war and I think that's probably good. 1.00

00:27:27.000 On the other hand, where do you put in people who go into military service for honorable reasons?

00:27:32.000 How do you reconcile both things at once?

00:27:33.000 I'd like to build solar-powered water condensation all over the planet.

00:27:37.000 Like, if we could have peacekeeping missions with our troops and our military and actually reinvigorate... I feel like peacekeeping missions is, like, naturally something else.

00:27:44.000 We call it peacekeeping, but it's actually not that.

00:27:46.000 That's what they call it in Vietnam, you know?

00:27:46.000 Right.

00:27:48.000 This is cool.

00:27:49.000 What they do is they build these... There's a bunch of different ways you can do it, but they have these big, white... 0.83

00:27:49.000 Advisors. 0.83

00:27:54.000 Plastic or something, you know, carbon structures that are flat up top and then slowly, as they get lower, become rounded and funneled.

00:28:04.000 And what happens is the condensation sticks to it and the water pours down and it fills up fresh water by the morning.

00:28:09.000 You can actually have them go underground.

00:28:11.000 So the air goes in, goes down underground and cools way down underground.

00:28:15.000 And then you have like solar panels that are like heating panels or cooling panels underground that are connected to the solar up top.

00:28:21.000 So it super cools the gas underground.

00:28:24.000 That's cool stuff.

00:28:25.000 The reason I like to elaborate on the idea is because there are really awesome stuff we could be doing, but instead we just seem to be blowing people up all over the world.

00:28:32.000 That's what our money's good for.

00:28:33.000 Or gender studies in Pakistan.

00:28:35.000 LK99, that's room temperature superconductor.

00:28:37.000 Did you guys hear about that?

00:28:38.000 It's gonna change the entire computing industry.

00:28:41.000 The computing industry, bro, you have no idea.

00:28:43.000 I have no idea.

00:28:44.000 I'm standing on the precipice.

00:28:47.000 I love science, I have to say.

00:28:49.000 I feel like I come on this show and you guys teach me so much.

00:28:51.000 Most superconductors, where you can pass a lot of electricity through without losing it, they need to be really cold.

00:28:57.000 But these can be done at near room temperature, apparently.

00:28:59.000 Proposed ambient pressure.

00:29:01.000 And they're being reproduced.

00:29:03.000 Superconductors, zero resistance transfer of electricity.

00:29:06.000 We lose energy as it's transferred around.

00:29:09.000 There's heat loss, there's a bunch of loss.

00:29:10.000 With a superconductor, you don't have that.

00:29:12.000 There's a lot of things you can do.

00:29:13.000 They do superconductor levitation.

00:29:16.000 They'd be able to do like maglev trains on the cheap.

00:29:18.000 It would completely change computing.

00:29:19.000 It would completely change batteries.

00:29:22.000 It would...

00:29:23.000 What people are claiming is that it will make the world like a sci-fi reality.

00:29:26.000 Like this is a major breakthrough on par with the discovery of the charged electromagnetic spectrum.

00:29:32.000 And because such, nobody believes it.

00:29:35.000 And they're waiting for replication because room temperature superconductors is going to like, yeah, it's going to be like sci-fi.

00:29:41.000 I've heard that they're replicating it now.

00:29:44.000 And this with like deep fakes and with obviously the internet, all these weird technologies of like, I'm really going to be able to imagine something and then see it like, With the neural net?

00:29:53.000 In your lifetime.

00:29:55.000 I think that's the craziest thing.

00:29:57.000 These revolutions in technology, the evolutions of technology, I should say, are happening faster than ever before.

00:30:03.000 So my thought is that we're going to evolve into another species.

00:30:06.000 But what do you think, Liz?

00:30:07.000 Would you get a brain chip?

00:30:09.000 No.

00:30:10.000 Never.

00:30:10.000 Not right away.

00:30:12.000 Elon said that he would get one.

00:30:14.000 Well, I hope he has a great time.

00:30:16.000 No, thank you.

00:30:17.000 If most people will get it.

00:30:18.000 If I see, like, hundreds of thousands of young people in high school getting it and just, like, blowing test scores out of the water, learning a bunch of languages, becoming really good at athletics, I would consider it.

00:30:29.000 But I would rather have something non-invasive, like a helmet or something.

00:30:33.000 Like, so you like the augmented reality glasses?

00:30:36.000 Do you know anybody who doesn't have a cell phone?

00:30:38.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 How many people do you know don't have cell phones?

00:30:41.000 Like five, because I know people who live off the grid.

00:30:43.000 I don't know anybody that doesn't have a cell phone.

00:30:45.000 I'm after like, older than high school.

00:30:47.000 Are cell phones CIA tracking devices?

00:30:50.000 Oh, certainly.

00:30:51.000 All your information is tracked by any intelligence agency around the world who wants it.

00:30:56.000 Conservatives know full well the deep state is tracking literally everything they do, every website they go to, every picture they look at, every naughty thing they do on the internet, and they don't care, and they would then say, well I'm not getting the brain chip, and it's like, oh please dude, ten years, you'll all be chipped.

00:31:12.000 Here's where I think it's different.

00:31:15.000 Because when Apple, what's Apple's thing that's coming out that augmented reality goggles that he just announced a couple months ago?

00:31:21.000 There was an engineer that worked on that who did a thread on Twitter right after it was announced.

00:31:27.000 Who said, I worked on part of this as it was going.

00:31:29.000 I don't work there anymore.

00:31:30.000 A lot of it's under NDA.

00:31:32.000 And he was bragging.

00:31:33.000 He was proud of having worked on it.

00:31:34.000 He was talking about how what they wanted to teach it to do was anticipate what you want so that it could offer you things as you're going.

00:31:43.000 And I thought, well, that doesn't sound cool to me.

00:31:45.000 That sounds like the ability to manipulate.

00:31:47.000 Because if you get used to them anticipating, then they could plant ideas that could control your movements.

00:31:53.000 I think that's very different than a cell phone, because it's not integrated into your consciousness.

00:31:59.000 I have my cell phone in my hand all the time, obviously.

00:32:01.000 We're all obsessed with it.

00:32:02.000 But it's not part of my decision-making process, because it hasn't been, like, it hasn't been merged with my consciousness. Like, that's

00:32:09.000 Also, you could discipline yourself to go without your cell phone.

00:32:09.000 really free.

00:32:12.000 The one fair point I'll make is there's a difference between holding something in your hand

00:32:16.000 and having a surgery, right? Molly Bo don't want to do surgery. But cell phones changed everything.

00:32:24.000 Before we had the iPhone, if you wanted to go on the internet, it was, you'd go out and hang out with your friends, then be like, when you get home, I'll see what's happening online.

00:32:33.000 Then you'd go out and hang out with your friends, then come home.

00:32:35.000 Once the iPhone came out and people had, this was like the expansion, the explosion into 24-7 web, now you're on Facebook non-stop all day, every day.

00:32:45.000 A dramatic difference.

00:32:46.000 Yeah, I don't disagree with that.

00:32:48.000 So our consciousness has merged with the internet at this point.

00:32:52.000 Your phone is always with you.

00:32:53.000 And now look, I'm wearing this smartwatch that vibrates when someone tweets at me.

00:32:56.000 I think the weird thing is... It doesn't actually do that because I block that, but like I get text messages.

00:33:01.000 Your watch is just like constantly going off.

00:33:03.000 Right.

00:33:04.000 No, I think part of it is you'll start to see a separation of societies, right?

00:33:07.000 Like you asked me who I know who doesn't have cell phones and like They are all off-the-grid mountain people who chose to live that way and know they're going without some modern conveniences for that reason.

00:33:16.000 I think, I mean like you're a young parent, there will be parents who opt to give their kid an Instagram profile and an iPad really early on and then there will be parents who say, I'm gonna hold out for as long as I possibly can.

00:33:29.000 I think you will see a clear difference in these things and maybe we'll have data to say like, Hey, these people are benefiting.

00:33:36.000 Here's what's happening because again, technology is moving so quickly.

00:33:39.000 We're able to track things better than ever before.

00:33:42.000 On the other hand, I think culturally we'll just split apart.

00:33:45.000 I think we'll have like the mountain people and the tech people.

00:33:48.000 You mentioned before the show like shared morality, how it's such an important part of a cohesive government.

00:33:52.000 For instance, the United States government had like a shared kind of almost an authoritarian morality to it.

00:33:57.000 So I see this technology and this augmented reality brain-chip lifestyle as like a fast track to a shared morality.

00:34:03.000 They can tell us what we think, or they can make us believe a certain thing, and it could be good, it could be bad.

00:34:08.000 But like, do you think that it's even possible to get humans to come together and begin to share a new morality without using this mind-meld tech, this internet?

00:34:17.000 I mean, first of all, I didn't say the word authoritarian when it came to me.

00:34:20.000 That was me.

00:34:22.000 That was you.

00:34:23.000 That was you.

00:34:24.000 Disavows. 0.55

00:34:25.000 I wouldn't I just don't think it's an accurate word to describe what I'm talking about.

00:34:28.000 So I think that cell phones have connected us in a way like I'm grateful for my cell phone.

00:34:33.000 I also see the problems that it has wrought.

00:34:36.000 I actually think the point that Tim was making is a good argument for my point.

00:34:41.000 TikTok has changed the minds, and I don't mean changed the ideological minds.

00:34:46.000 It has changed the brains of Gen Z, and not in a good way. 1.00

00:34:49.000 This should be an argument for pushing further away from augmented reality, because already, just with disattached phones, we've wrecked a generation with that.

00:34:59.000 I think, Ian, your point, is a point that I make a lot, that indoctrination is not inherently immoral.

00:35:06.000 It's what's being indoctrinated that determines whether it's good or bad, right?

00:35:10.000 Like, our education system right now indoctrinates children in, like, anti-American, anti-Christian, pro-Marxist values, and that's wrong, but it's not because this school is being used for indoctrination.

00:35:21.000 Indoctrination is morally neutral.

00:35:23.000 We actually Should be using the education system for indoctrination. 0.50

00:35:26.000 We should just be indoctrinating children in what's good and right and true.

00:35:29.000 We should be indoctrinating them in American civic values and in Christian virtues.

00:35:34.000 Even if they're not practicing religious people, our nation is built, like, our entire legal structure is built on Judeo-Christian values, right? 0.92

00:35:41.000 You can't murder someone.

00:35:42.000 Why?

00:35:43.000 Because that person's made in the image and likeness of God.

00:35:45.000 Like, that's the only thing that sets us apart from animals.

00:35:47.000 So I think we should be using venues that we have for indoctrination.

00:35:52.000 We just have to be smarter than the left.

00:35:54.000 And when's the last time that you can point to a conservative, a Republican politician, an institution that's actually controlled by the right?

00:36:02.000 The right stopped fighting for those, like, 50 years ago.

00:36:05.000 So it's just controlled by the left.

00:36:07.000 So yeah, they're forming the minds and the ideologies of all these young people.

00:36:10.000 But it is changing.

00:36:10.000 It's terrible.

00:36:11.000 With Bud Light, for instance, the news that just came out, they lost $400 million or whatever.

00:36:17.000 There's a big cultural shift, Sound of Freedom, obviously.

00:36:20.000 We'll get into that, but I do want to jump to this story because we've got big, pressing news.

00:36:23.000 This is a clip that was released by the National Pulse.

00:36:25.000 It is a leaked clip from Tucker Carlson's show where the Capitol Police Chief said that it could be, January 6th may have been a cover-up.

00:36:33.000 Let me play this clip for you.

00:36:35.000 I'll just give you guys a warning.

00:36:36.000 It's a little choppy for some reason.

00:36:38.000 But, uh, nonetheless, it's very important, so let me play this.

00:36:41.000 Rational and not give a number statement, obviously, but the facts that you're describing are shocking.

00:36:47.000 I've had a lot of people ask me, why did you write this book?

00:36:51.000 I try to do what I can to get the truth out.

00:36:54.000 They didn't want me to testify on February 23rd at the Senate hearing.

00:37:02.000 I actually had to go and talk to a friend of mine on one of the oversight committees and say, I will come there in person.

00:37:07.000 I want to be there.

00:37:08.000 I want to testify.

00:37:09.000 So I'm glad you think I'm reserved.

00:37:10.000 I'm, you know, to be honest with you, I'm a little pissed off.

00:37:14.000 Because if people were reporting the intelligence correctly, if I was allowed to do my job as the chief, I got a significant experience.

00:37:24.000 If I was allowed to do my job as the chief, we wouldn't be here today.

00:37:28.000 This didn't happen.

00:37:29.000 Then see how you're out there, you're land-based and in public, and it's all, you know, everything appears to be a cover-up.

00:37:36.000 Like I said, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but when you look at the information intelligence that it had, the military had, it's all watered down.

00:37:43.000 I'm not getting intelligence.

00:37:44.000 I'm denied support of the National Guard in advance.

00:37:47.000 I'm denied National Guard while we're under attack for 71 minutes.

00:37:52.000 You're in a fight.

00:37:53.000 Yeah.

00:37:54.000 A fight for a couple minutes wears you out.

00:37:56.000 One minute.

00:37:57.000 I was going to say, 60 seconds, three minutes.

00:38:00.000 Let me tell you, it wears you out.

00:38:01.000 My officers were fighting for 80 minutes before the protesters ever approached me with that.

00:38:06.000 Wait, can I say, so you describe this as a failure to get the intelligence to the people who needed it, but it sounds like, worse than, it sounds like they were hiding the intelligence.

00:38:17.000 And that's what I'm getting at.

00:38:19.000 Could there possibly be people that actually did something to happen and kind of wanted something to happen?

00:38:24.000 It's not a far stretch to begin with.

00:38:25.000 I don't know what the other explanation is.

00:38:28.000 You know, it's sad when you start putting everything together and thinking about the way this played out.

00:38:35.000 What was their end goal?

00:38:35.000 It gets people concerned.

00:38:37.000 You look at what's happening.

00:38:39.000 Was that their end goal?

00:38:42.000 Well, I mean, there's no question that what happened on January 6th has really helped the Democratic Party.

00:38:50.000 It's bravely politicized the U.S.

00:38:52.000 military.

00:38:54.000 And the intelligence agencies and the FBI.

00:38:57.000 And those are all, I think, bad for America and violations of the Constitution, but they're all good for the Democratic Party. 0.73

00:39:05.000 That's a fact.

00:39:06.000 So it's a very choppy clip, unfortunately, but you can make out most of what matters.

00:39:11.000 And this is the former police chief of the Capitol Police saying someone could have wanted this to happen.

00:39:18.000 It may have been a cover-up.

00:39:19.000 And then you look at what's going on now with the Trump indictments, and I think any reasonable person who's been watching everything that's going down would agree the simple solution is they wanted January 6th to happen, to weaponize it, because they needed some way to stop Donald Trump, because they know they can't win an election.

00:39:39.000 Here we are.

00:39:41.000 I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

00:39:43.000 I'm not.

00:39:44.000 I usually believe that there's an explanation.

00:39:46.000 But if you look at the facts of the case, what happened on January 6th, and compare that to what the charges against the January 6th defendants were, and then contrast that with the due process violations that these people faced, and then the political capital the Democrats have gained for all this, I mean, It almost seems like he's stating the obvious.

00:40:07.000 We're just desensitized to this because we've been dealing with it for two and a half years now.

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:13.000 So, you know, that's the point I was making the other day.

00:40:16.000 People will ask, like, how did a country get so bad?

00:40:18.000 You know, insert country, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany.

00:40:20.000 Like, how did it get so bad?

00:40:22.000 Took years, took a decade, took longer.

00:40:24.000 So when something happens like Donald Trump gets indicted, here's what I think.

00:40:29.000 I think they indicted him on the tax stuff first because they know what they're doing.

00:40:34.000 If they came out and indicted Trump on January 6th outright, it would be a shock to the system that would be bad for them.

00:40:39.000 It would snap people to attention.

00:40:41.000 So they do an indictment, not that big a deal.

00:40:44.000 It's like a tax thing.

00:40:45.000 Oh, who cares, right?

00:40:46.000 Then they do a classified documents thing.

00:40:49.000 Okay, well that's a little bit bigger, wow, it's federal, but then ultimately it's like, yeah, okay, whatever.

00:40:53.000 Now they do the January 6th thing.

00:40:55.000 They're still not remanding Trump into custody.

00:40:58.000 The sheriff in Fulton County said that Trump will be perp walked, and he will get his mug shot, he will receive no special treatment.

00:41:07.000 It's possible that the real remand to custody will take place in Georgia.

00:41:11.000 But they do it all in increments, so that you are desensitized to it every step of the way.

00:41:15.000 I bet they want Trump to flee, because that's another January 6th type thing.

00:41:19.000 You get him to do it, and then you can blame him and make him look like the bad guy again.

00:41:23.000 Look, he's still breaking the law.

00:41:25.000 Yeah, but imprisoning, whether they're good people or bad people throughout history, we have tons of stories of people who were imprisoned, got out, and then took over.

00:41:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:41:37.000 And you technically could be the president from jail.

00:41:39.000 From exile.

00:41:40.000 Let me read you this timeline and tell me if this is a coincidence.

00:41:43.000 On March 16th, the oversight committee in the House of Representatives revealed the Biden family payments that we all know are criminally corrupt.

00:41:51.000 The day after that, on March 17th, Hunter Biden admitted that the laptop that we all knew was his was in fact his.

00:41:57.000 The day after that, President Trump announced that the Manhattan D.A.

00:42:03.000 would indict him, which they did.

00:42:04.000 Then on June 8th, The FBI, um, the FBI, an FBI document alleged that Biden and Hunter, you know, were involved in that bribery scam for five million dollars.

00:42:16.000 The next day, Trump was indicted on the classified documents.

00:42:21.000 On July 26th, the Hunter plea deal, the one where he was supposed to get immunity to any other charges ever in the history of his life, that collapses.

00:42:30.000 The day after Trump was indicted, July 31st, Devin Archer testifies before the House again, and then the next day, Trump was indicted again.

00:42:39.000 Is that a coincidence?

00:42:41.000 I don't think so.

00:42:41.000 But the big, the smoking gun is the third indictment, which was additional charges in the classified document case, because they had already indicted him.

00:42:52.000 Then the Hunter Biden plea deal thing happens.

00:42:54.000 Then they're like, oh, we're indicting Trump again for the same thing.

00:42:57.000 It's like, OK, they really need another indictment to cover this one up.

00:43:01.000 I just don't understand why there's no- Aliens, too!

00:43:03.000 Right, anything to distract from it.

00:43:05.000 You know, I want to know why DC Mayor Meryl Bowser has never had to explain why she said, yes, we'll take National Guard, but only if they don't have any weapons, right?

00:43:14.000 Like, there were so many things that led up to this that seemed strange to me, that Nancy Pelosi never asked for additional security at the Capitol.

00:43:24.000 Why are they not as accountable for what happened as, theoretically, Trump or anyone else?

00:43:29.000 Why are only certain people being asked to account for the decisions they made on that day?

00:43:33.000 That put people in danger, right?

00:43:35.000 If you had asked for proper security, Nancy Pelosi or Merrill Bowser, then there would have been something else.

00:43:41.000 The fact that you didn't seem suspicious to me, the fact that no one is asking you to explain it, seems worse.

00:43:47.000 Yep.

00:43:48.000 I think they're counting on the fact, so think about in 2020, this doesn't have anything to do with January 6th for a second, think about in 2020 when parents were watching over their children's shoulders on Zoom school and like they were seeing critical race theory, like if your child's white they're racist, if your child's black they're oppressed, they were seeing the transgender ideology and Parents were really shocked by that, because a lot of parents thought, oh, that's happening in California, that's happening in New York, but that's not happening, like, in our neighborhood, in our elementary school, in my child's classroom.

00:44:16.000 And they saw that it was, and it was this huge mental shift that you just saw sweep the country.

00:44:21.000 All these parents that thought they were untouchable because they weren't in this radical leftist hotbed, and then they realized that it was real.

00:44:28.000 I think we're at that point with January 6th, that for a long time, people have been afraid of being labeled as a conspiracy theorist, and because of that, we've forgotten that sometimes there are conspiracies.

00:44:40.000 Sometimes- like, what is a conspiracy?

00:44:41.000 It's just a concerted criminal act, right?

00:44:43.000 That there are people in power who are trying to do bad things, trying to violate our rights.

00:44:47.000 And I think people collectively are starting to realize that January 6th is one of those things.

00:44:52.000 That it wasn't just, oh, the radical right-wingers who are claiming that it was a false flag or something like that.

00:44:58.000 They're like, wait a second.

00:44:59.000 This actually does seem like it could be as bad as some of us have been saying the whole time.

00:45:05.000 Yeah.

00:45:05.000 And we're seeing a really big shift in people's minds.

00:45:07.000 I think one of the first times she was on this show, Marjorie Taylor Greene pointed out that basically everyone who's arrested during the 2020 summer riots was let go and they never faced any charges.

00:45:16.000 Like, we are singularly focused on this one thing and there has to be a reason for that, right?

00:45:21.000 And I think, you know, we saw it in the clip.

00:45:24.000 Someone gains from when they obsess about January 6th and they try to turn it into something, right?

00:45:30.000 There is political momentum.

00:45:31.000 And I think Tim talked about it the other night.

00:45:34.000 If Trump had treated the May attack at the church in D.C.

00:45:39.000 a little bit differently, perhaps the narrative would have been slightly differently.

00:45:42.000 I think that's one of the things we have to credit left-wing activists with is that they really know when to obsess and make loud something that they are going to make the lead story for the rest of the year.

00:45:55.000 In this case, it's January 6th.

00:45:57.000 Someone did bring up an interesting point, uh, JustPeachy in the Super Chat saying Tucker did not use microphones like that on his show.

00:46:04.000 And I just looked up quick set images and sure enough, yeah, Tucker never used, uh, microphones like this.

00:46:09.000 I don't know what that means.

00:46:11.000 Perhaps the video could have been faked or something like that, but, uh, I have no evidence that's the case.

00:46:16.000 This would be a particularly difficult video to deepfake because it's extensive, but considering how much time it's been, it's been January since this book came out, it's entirely possible someone made an elaborate deepfake.

00:46:26.000 Can someone clip the original interview when it was released and compare?

00:46:29.000 And then slowly change it.

00:46:30.000 It could be why the audio is so choppy or whatever.

00:46:32.000 Do you think they were trying to record it locally so that it wasn't leaked?

00:46:36.000 I don't know.

00:46:37.000 I think the simple solution is just that this one time Tucker used these microphones.

00:46:41.000 But I have no idea.

00:46:43.000 Don't know.

00:46:44.000 I just looked up Tucker Carlson today and the images of everyone he's had on, every single image, none of them have that.

00:46:49.000 None of them have those mics.

00:46:51.000 So I'm like, when did he ever use those?

00:46:54.000 He didn't seem to have.

00:46:55.000 Unless it was a different show.

00:46:56.000 Unless it was meant for an audio release and they just happened to have filmed it.

00:47:02.000 Credit to his detail-oriented fans for being like, those aren't the mics! 0.99

00:47:05.000 I feel like we should subtly change things in this room and see if people notice.

00:47:09.000 This J6, man, it makes me think, like, if I was in Nazi Germany in 1933 or 1934, what would I be doing to speak out against the Nazi Party rise to power? 1.00

00:47:18.000 Would you be speaking out?

00:47:20.000 And how would I be doing it?

00:47:21.000 Because they didn't have... citizens couldn't really grab a microphone and go on the internet.

00:47:25.000 They didn't have that kind of power.

00:47:26.000 Now we do, but at the same time...

00:47:30.000 People can be drowned out.

00:47:33.000 Everybody has the microphone, so everyone is yelling over each other.

00:47:35.000 It is faster, but back then, the means of you speaking out would be to make flyers and posters, or to print a zine, or to write something and then share it.

00:47:44.000 So you've got to stand out.

00:47:46.000 With you saying how people are all talking over each other, I guess that's, for me, why I'm deciding to get into shape.

00:47:51.000 Because if I can make a really good movie that people want to watch, then at least I'll be standing out, and people will be looking at my microphone a little bit more than others.

00:47:57.000 Well, you gotta go where the money is, right?

00:47:59.000 So you gotta go hang out in Malibu, and then hopefully you bump into, you know, say, Robert Downey Jr., and then he's like, I liked your style, and then he puts you in a movie, and now you're famous.

00:48:07.000 Now you're famous.

00:48:07.000 And then you come out and start talking about how the war in Vietnam is bad, and then one day on your way to the hotel, some guy jumps out and shoots you.

00:48:14.000 Oh, okay.

00:48:15.000 Thanks for laying that path in front of me.

00:48:17.000 It's funny you know what your options are.

00:48:19.000 I know, like, do I rail against the military powers of Earth until I die, or do I just try and make a great life with an awesome family and go live on an island somewhere?

00:48:27.000 I feel like there's both, right?

00:48:28.000 Like, in this position you can talk out, speak about the things that you believe and ask questions, but I think change happens at home, and so there's a value in saying, like, No matter what culture tells me I'm going to live myself- live my life, you know, jointly hopefully with a partner.

00:48:44.000 We're- In a way that I feel like is honorable.

00:48:47.000 We're here for one reason.

00:48:48.000 Everything that's happening right now is because of one thing.

00:48:51.000 The Founding Fathers are the people who said, we are a moral and just people, and we demand, right, we have these rights, they're inalienable, and we must fight for what is right for us and our families, at great personal risk, sacrificing their blood and treasure, and even in some cases their families, putting their families at risk, so that they could fight for what was best for the entirety of this nation.

00:49:14.000 And then the mentality changed at some point.

00:49:17.000 Now the advice you're given is just keep your head down and make money.

00:49:21.000 Ignore all of this.

00:49:23.000 And where we are now is the average person today says, I will not risk myself, my life, my sacred blood and treasure, or my family.

00:49:31.000 They were founding fathers whose children were kidnapped, whose families were kidnapped to use as leverage for prisoner exchanges, whose homes were seized by the British, by the Crown, cities that were entirely occupied and they were forced to flee, and today you have people saying, Well, I can't do that because I have a family, and I can't put my family at risk.

00:49:50.000 It's like, okay, well, you're the opposite of the Founding Fathers.

00:49:53.000 And perhaps, I know, easy for me to say, I don't have kids.

00:49:55.000 But I'll just make sure you understand that, like, the Founding Fathers were like, even if it means my family is kidnapped, even if it means I die, even if it means I have nothing left to my name, I stand for what must be.

00:50:06.000 And today, It's inverted.

00:50:10.000 Today it's, I'm going to lock my door, hide, and hope that it passes over.

00:50:14.000 And it's, people are doing well, even the poor people are doing well because of fascism, because we've bought off half the world, the slave trade of half the world, mining these rare earth minerals and stuff for us. 0.53

00:50:25.000 That's China. 0.88

00:50:27.000 Yeah, and in like, the Congo, like, I don't know.

00:50:30.000 Cobalt mines.

00:50:31.000 Jeez, it's disgusting. 0.92

00:50:32.000 So, truly, fascism is dangerous in that it's peaceful, or it can be very peaceful, and people have been sedated by this. 0.92

00:50:40.000 But I think it's really simple.

00:50:42.000 The current way of life that we have, you know, you can work for an hour, you know, if you're like the average American salary, you work a couple hours and you're gonna go have a hibachi dinner with your family, life is easy.

00:50:57.000 So nobody wants to risk it.

00:50:59.000 That's it.

00:51:00.000 Let me go back to what Ian said before, though, when you ask, like, what am I supposed to do?

00:51:04.000 Am I supposed to have a microphone and have the loudest voice?

00:51:06.000 Am I supposed to hide away with my family?

00:51:08.000 Like, how am I supposed to fight back against this?

00:51:11.000 Because we are living in a unique point of history.

00:51:13.000 Like, no, we're not in Nazi Germany.

00:51:15.000 Like, you can't replicate anything exactly in history, but we're at a dangerous point in our country, right, where if what happens to Trump, if he's criminalized for free speech, I mean, you and I, all of us sitting here, have to wonder, okay, we've Question the same things about the 2020 election.

00:51:30.000 Are we next?

00:51:31.000 What's the limiting principle on that?

00:51:33.000 We all could be on the line at the whim of a government.

00:51:37.000 And I think this is one of the things that the Republican Party has lost sight of.

00:51:41.000 This is one of my biggest critiques with the Republican Party, is that there is a just use of government, right?

00:51:47.000 We often conflate the idea of a limited government with essentially no government.

00:51:53.000 And that's not what limited government means.

00:51:54.000 Limited government means a government with enumerated powers that is accountable to the people, that is run by the people.

00:52:01.000 It means that it's not a dictator that has unlimited authority.

00:52:04.000 It doesn't mean that there's no just use of the government, and we as Republicans have forgotten that.

00:52:11.000 We've demonized anything to do with government.

00:52:12.000 Oh, we don't want government involved in that.

00:52:13.000 We don't want to use government for this.

00:52:14.000 We'd rather use family and free market and all of that, which is fine, but we also have to use the government to fight back against these things.

00:52:21.000 We are not Just by ordering our families properly going to be able to abolish the administrative state.

00:52:25.000 We're not just by sitting here behind microphones going to be able to recapture our education system.

00:52:31.000 There are things we have to use the government for the just power of the government for to recapture if we want to.

00:52:38.000 If we want to stop what the left is doing to our society and if we want to reclaim our society, which is supposed to be how the founders envisioned it, right?

00:52:47.000 So you and I should, I mean, even if we are, I know I'm more right-wing than you are, but we should Be holding our politicians accountable for that, because everything can't be done on an individual basis.

00:52:59.000 I know this is what conservatives have told us for the past 50 years, that everything's just about, like, us and our families.

00:53:04.000 And yeah, that's important, but it's also using the government.

00:53:08.000 And if we did that, we'd be a lot more successful.

00:53:09.000 I'd like to break up a lot of corporations, especially the tech corporations.

00:53:13.000 They're just too monopolistic.

00:53:15.000 Google, Alphabet, I love you guys.

00:53:18.000 Thanks for letting us stream right now, but come on, the corporation's way too big, too

00:53:22.000 dangerous.

00:53:23.000 Google, you got to break them up.

00:53:24.000 Meta, you got to break them up.

00:53:26.000 X, you're cool, you can stay.

00:53:27.000 But what they did with Rockefeller was they went into Standard Oil and broke it up into

00:53:30.000 like eight oil companies that Rockefeller still had a piece of, so he became even more

00:53:33.000 wealthy and influential after the breakup.

00:53:35.000 So we have to, knowing that, we can't break up Alphabet the same way.

00:53:38.000 That's why I advocate for freeing their software code because it's kind of like you reduce

00:53:41.000 their power, you create an opportunity for the market to compete if the code is available

00:53:47.000 and whoever has the best means of like terms of service, their organizations will win out.

00:53:52.000 But I think we need government for that because otherwise people would resort to sabotage

00:53:55.000 and I don't want to do that.

00:53:57.000 Not enough.

00:53:58.000 I want to jump to this story here.

00:54:00.000 We have this clip from the Joe Rogan experience.

00:54:02.000 Jack Posobiec says breaking.

00:54:03.000 Joe Rogan says there was real fraud in the Kerry Lake election.

00:54:07.000 The context beyond this is a story from the Daily Mail that finds 69% of Republicans believe that Biden, his win was illegitimate and that there was widespread fraud.

00:54:16.000 But let's play this clip first.

00:54:18.000 We got Patrick Bette David.

00:54:19.000 He rocks.

00:54:19.000 And Joe Rogan, also very great.

00:54:21.000 How much election fraud do you think is real?

00:54:25.000 Here we go, Joe.

00:54:26.000 You want to go to election fraud.

00:54:27.000 Yeah, because I don't think it's zero.

00:54:29.000 No.

00:54:30.000 It's not zero.

00:54:31.000 I think we could all agree it's not zero.

00:54:33.000 No way it's not zero. 0.99

00:54:34.000 And we know that these voting machines can be fucked with. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:37.000 And we know that there's some irregularities, all that Carrie Lake stuff in Arizona that they're trying to dismiss. 0.99

00:54:44.000 It doesn't look like that's invalid.

00:54:47.000 It looks like there's real fraud there.

00:54:49.000 It looks like there's some real shenanigans there.

00:54:50.000 At the very least, there was voting machines that weren't working properly, and it seems very suspicious that a lot of them were in Republican areas.

00:55:00.000 There's a lot of shenanigans.

00:55:02.000 And I think there's coordinated efforts to make sure that certain people get elected.

00:55:08.000 I don't know how far they go, but I know it's not zero.

00:55:12.000 He's right.

00:55:12.000 It is not zero.

00:55:13.000 Even Bill Barr said it wasn't zero.

00:55:15.000 And that's the big question.

00:55:16.000 69% of Republicans think there was widespread fraud and Biden did not win.

00:55:22.000 So there was a tweet.

00:55:24.000 It was Robbie Starbuck put out a poll saying, do you think we're in a civil war?

00:55:28.000 And of course, you all know how I voted in that poll.

00:55:31.000 But the overwhelming majority of people said yes.

00:55:35.000 There were four choices.

00:55:36.000 One was no, we're not.

00:55:37.000 And then one was not yet, but soon.

00:55:39.000 And that was the second most voted position.

00:55:43.000 So here's the way I'll frame it.

00:55:46.000 And I guess I've said this before.

00:55:48.000 It all depends on where we go next.

00:55:50.000 If Donald Trump is cleared of all charges, SCOTUS says these charges are politicking and weaponizing the Justice Department.

00:55:59.000 Trump ends up winning.

00:56:01.000 Trump fires a handful of people.

00:56:03.000 There are some reforms.

00:56:04.000 It's a little tumultuous, but mostly we move past it.

00:56:08.000 No one will ever talk about this as a civil war or revolution or a conflict.

00:56:12.000 They'll just say, you know, there was a rough patch.

00:56:15.000 If it does escalate beyond where we are now, Not just today, but probably January 6, probably 2016 will be considered the second Civil War period.

00:56:29.000 So 50, 100 years from now, if whatever is happening now does break out in a hot conflict or totalitarianism or something, they'll write.

00:56:38.000 The conflict all started in 2015 when the Clinton campaign falsely accused her chief rival of being a spy working for the Russian government.

00:56:48.000 And that kicked off a chain of events which resulted in impeachments, street battles.

00:56:52.000 I think for sure it'll go back to September 11th in the Patriot Act. 0.95

00:56:56.000 If it gets to, like, this is the time of history where the United States ended, it will be remembered that that stupid bill that let you throw people in jail with no cause, that's where it all began. 0.97

00:57:07.000 They won't say that. 0.99

00:57:08.000 That's reductive.

00:57:09.000 They better say it. 0.94

00:57:10.000 When we look at the Civil War period, you could bring up Bleeding Kansas, but nobody considers that the Civil War.

00:57:16.000 They consider it, like, a component of pre-Civil War.

00:57:19.000 And then if you go back a couple decades to, like, What was it, I think the 1850s, the Catching Slaves Act or whatever, was a big catalyst because the bill was basically, if slaves escaped the South to the North, the North would have to return them.

00:57:33.000 Yeah, the Fugitive Slave Act.

00:57:34.000 Fugitive Slave Act.

00:57:34.000 And the North said, you got it, the bill was passed, and the North said, yeah, right, we're not doing that.

00:57:39.000 So the South was basically saying, If the federal government passes laws the North will not adhere to, what is the point of a federal government?

00:57:47.000 It does nothing.

00:57:49.000 We don't go back and say it all started here with the Fugitive Slave Act.

00:57:52.000 No, we say it was a component and people will consider 9-11 as a component, but the Civil War period I believe likely It theoretically has a bunch of components that lead into with like Occupy Wall Street, the Great Recession.

00:58:04.000 Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:58:05.000 I mean, demoralizing, destabilizing for the United States.

00:58:08.000 It bankrupted our country.

00:58:10.000 But the shift was 2015.

00:58:11.000 I wouldn't define a civil war unless there was... unless there was...

00:58:16.000 When I say violence, I guess I don't mean just Black Lives Matter violence or Antifa violence.

00:58:21.000 I would call it, like, if there's conflict violence, like a hot war.

00:58:24.000 I would describe what we're in right now as a cultural revolution, which can be a precursor to a hot war.

00:58:30.000 It can be a precursor to a civil war.

00:58:33.000 I voted in that poll, too, and I voted not yet but soon, kind of like TBD dot dot dot.

00:58:38.000 Cultural revolution just means one side's not fighting back. 0.60

00:58:41.000 That's exactly what's happening, yeah.

00:58:43.000 I mean, because, you know, whenever people say, we're not in a civil war because there's no hot conflict yet, I'll just say Aaron Danielson was shot twice in the chest by a guy with a Marxist tattoo, with a BLM tattoo on his neck. 0.62

00:58:52.000 Yeah, you're just not paying attention to it.

00:58:54.000 There's been a ton of violence.

00:58:56.000 The BLM riots was a major component of whatever this cultural civil war or cultural revolution is. 0.67

00:59:03.000 And yeah, perhaps it is just a revolution, a communist revolution.

00:59:06.000 I like that cultural revolution.

00:59:07.000 That's what I think is happening.

00:59:08.000 It's the same thing that Mao did in the 50s.

00:59:10.000 It's the same thing. 0.96

00:59:11.000 The whole dividing people into the left and the right is what Mao did to create a cultural revolution so that then you can pull the tail on one of the dogs and they start chasing each other and you're the crazy monkey that gets to watch. 0.58

00:59:22.000 This is what the first half of my book is about.

00:59:25.000 When we see all these crazy things, like, we just describe it as like, oh, our culture's in chaos, or we're watching critical race theory and trans ideology being indoctrinated into our kids, and I'm like, okay, why is this all happening at the same time?

00:59:36.000 I mean, I know that Republicans don't fight back, so maybe they just thought it was an easy in, but this seems like a concerted effort.

00:59:41.000 How did we get here?

00:59:42.000 Yeah, how did we get here?

00:59:43.000 And it turns out, as I looked into this, the answer to that is less of a why and more of a who.

00:59:49.000 As I researched it, I found the people and the organizations behind each of the attacks on all these cultural institutions, and they are invariably Marxists.

00:59:57.000 I mean, even the Black Lives Matter movement that you just mentioned, I mean, this is the obvious one, people are familiar with this, but the founders of the Black Lives Matter movement are openly Marxists.

01:00:05.000 They brag about being trained Marxists.

01:00:07.000 You see all these books, I mean, I see you have genderqueer sitting here on the table.

01:00:10.000 I mean, the president of the American Library Association is a self-avowed Marxist.

01:00:15.000 These people are actual communists, actual Marxists, and they are using the destabilization of our cultural institutions, the civil institutions, to get us to economic destabilization so that they can topple our government.

01:00:27.000 That is the definition of a cultural revolution.

01:00:29.000 People are just like, whoa, communists, Marxists, like, it's just Republican versus Democrat, and if you actually peel back the layers and look at who's behind this, it's not a coincidence, it's not chaos, it's actual Marxism.

01:00:40.000 Why do you think they embraced Marxism?

01:00:43.000 I think that they are ideological Marxists.

01:00:45.000 I think Marxism is, we think of it economically when we think of Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto.

01:00:50.000 We think of the working class overthrowing the ruling class, and I think that that didn't really work.

01:00:55.000 It didn't, they didn't, it never caught on to become the global revolution that they wanted, so it sort of died out.

01:01:01.000 But then Antonio Gramsci, he was this Italian Marxist, Founder of the Italian Communist Party, or co-founder, said, well, listen, if you observe the cultural revolutions that were successful, or these Marxist revolutions, they started culturally.

01:01:13.000 First, you overtake the civil institutions that the working class rely on to destabilize society, and then they're willing to actually revolt against the ruling class. 1.00

01:01:22.000 Like, the root of all of this is, economically, they're anti-capitalist, and then many, I mean, Many, if you analyze the Marxist or the Communist ideology, there's a spiritual aspect of it, too.

01:01:33.000 I mean, the United States is being targeted because we are fundamentally a Christian nation built on Christian morals, built on Judeo-Christian morals, and Marxists can't stand that.

01:01:42.000 Can you explain the difference between Communism and Marxism?

01:01:46.000 Yeah, it's essentially the same thing.

01:01:49.000 It's just a specific version of it.

01:01:50.000 So communism is this false idea that there can be collective ownership of everything, that there's no private property, there's no one person in charge.

01:01:58.000 It's just everybody owns everything.

01:02:01.000 Marxism is the tool to achieve that.

01:02:04.000 So Marxism pits One class against another.

01:02:08.000 One saying that, you know, the working class is oppressed, they are oppressed by the ruling class, and in order to achieve communism, Marxism is the revolutionary tactic.

01:02:17.000 That's why it's important, I think, to differentiate between communism and the Marxists that are behind the cultural revolution here, because they are trying to destabilize our society using that tactic to achieve communism.

01:02:28.000 So there could be other tactics to achieve communism than Marxism, including perhaps economic technocracy.

01:02:35.000 Something where we're all the same in a machine, yeah.

01:02:37.000 Technocracy is.

01:02:37.000 So that's actually really interesting.

01:02:39.000 I have a whole chapter in my book about technocracy because technocracy is ruled by the experts, right?

01:02:43.000 Like, you can't question Fauci because Fauci is the technocrat.

01:02:47.000 The root of technocracy can be traced all the way back to French socialists and Russian Marxists who were part of the Bolshevik Revolution.

01:02:54.000 There was a Russian Marxist who actually described technocracy as a stepping stone from capitalism to communism.

01:03:02.000 Because this was always the problem for communists and Marxists, right?

01:03:04.000 People aren't just going to wake up one day and be like, oh, cool, we live in a free society.

01:03:08.000 Yes, I'd love to have communism.

01:03:09.000 There has to be some frog in a pot of boiling water moment in a culture where people are slowly introduced, you know, incrementally into communism.

01:03:19.000 Technocracy is the stepping stone for that.

01:03:22.000 That's why we see it with the administrative state.

01:03:23.000 We see it with Fauci.

01:03:24.000 We see it with, like, once you have kids, you see this all the time in, like, the pediatrician industry.

01:03:29.000 You as a parent aren't allowed to question anything, anything, from breastfeeding to co-sleeping to vaccines.

01:03:35.000 You have to defer to the experts.

01:03:37.000 It's everywhere.

01:03:38.000 And it's conditioning people not to question, not to dissent, just to obey, which is the communist way.

01:03:44.000 Are there historically examples of nations or people going towards that communist route and then stopping and saying, hell no, realizing what's happening and turning around?

01:03:53.000 Civil wars break out.

01:03:54.000 Has it ever been a peaceful regurgitation?

01:03:57.000 I think it's probably hard to cite examples because it wouldn't be documented as a significant moment if it just reversed itself and never really went that way.

01:04:04.000 It's a good question, though, because it's kind of a chilling question if you think about it.

01:04:08.000 If we can't sit here and name a cultural revolution that headed or that was trying to transform a free society to a communist society, it means that often it wasn't stopped.

01:04:18.000 It either wasn't significant enough or it wasn't stopped, because the examples that I can think of are examples that took a relatively free or relatively religious society and turned it into oppression, tyranny, and death.

01:04:27.000 There's the inverse.

01:04:28.000 There's Spain.

01:04:30.000 The communists and the republicans or the nationalists were fighting, and then it was the right that won that one.

01:04:36.000 And same in Germany.

01:04:37.000 The Nazis destroyed the communists.

01:04:39.000 That's right.

01:04:39.000 The Nazis, I mean, one of the principal components of their propaganda was to fight communism.

01:04:45.000 Yeah, the Bolsheviks.

01:04:47.000 Yep.

01:04:48.000 I believe there's a way to do it peacefully with this technology.

01:04:52.000 But I mean, it's owned by the technocrats.

01:04:54.000 So I don't know how that works.

01:04:56.000 I'd like to say what I think online, guys.

01:04:59.000 That goes back to what I was saying before about like the augmented reality.

01:04:59.000 Sorry.

01:05:01.000 That's why I I don't consider myself a cynic, I do consider myself a skeptic, because I don't trust these people.

01:05:08.000 I don't trust the, like, AI, people always talk about AI being this, like, sentient being, this, like, this thing that can take over and think for itself, and I'm like, no, somebody is behind writing the algorithms of all of those things, and that somebody is someone whose ideology is very different than ours, who wants to use that, to influence the way that we or our children or whoever think so that they can convince those people to act in certain ways that benefit their political ideology.

01:05:33.000 You guys know Yuval Noah Harari?

01:05:34.000 Yeah.

01:05:35.000 He's with the World Economic Forum.

01:05:36.000 Yeah, such a creep.

01:05:37.000 He does seem like that at first, and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

01:05:40.000 He's just on Lex Friedman's podcast.

01:05:42.000 Lex has hit him out of the park.

01:05:43.000 He just had Benjamin Netanyahu on.

01:05:44.000 Now he has Yuval on the show.

01:05:46.000 Good.

01:05:47.000 You know he's bridging the gap.

01:05:48.000 He's willing to speak to people that might be the most outside, if you're not in the system, the most terrifying force on earth is this World Economic Forum trying to put people in pods and chip their brains and read their thoughts, pre-crime, stuff like that.

01:05:58.000 But Yuval was talking about intelligence and consciousness and how they're not really the same necessarily.

01:06:03.000 We're building machines that are intelligent, but do they have consciousness?

01:06:06.000 They don't seem to.

01:06:10.000 The question is, how do you prove consciousness?

01:06:13.000 Yeah, he didn't have an answer for that either.

01:06:16.000 It's such a... This is a great Star Trek episode where Data the Android is effectively on trial because they're trying to determine whether or not he is a sentient being with rights or a washing machine.

01:06:26.000 And so, as we're getting closer and closer to simulated consciousness, where we know we fabricated it, but we can't determine... Like, I'll put it this way, with Chad Deep, GPT, and where we're headed with these video games, Already you've got this mod on Skyrim where you can talk to a video game character and it will talk back using chat GPT.

01:06:48.000 We're a few years away from... I guess you can say passing the Turing Test is something long since passed.

01:06:54.000 What we're getting to is you will be presented with...

01:06:58.000 two, two, two, a microphone and two speakers and you'll be asked to ask a question

01:07:05.000 and then you tell us which one you think is real and which one you think is fake.

01:07:07.000 Already there's a game called, I think it's called Bot or Not or something like that,

01:07:11.000 where you, what happens is you get placed in a random chat It's a black screen with green text.

01:07:19.000 And then it'll say, you start.

01:07:21.000 You'll say something.

01:07:22.000 The other person will say something back.

01:07:24.000 Then after like 30 seconds, it will say, was it a human or was it an AI?

01:07:28.000 You have to guess.

01:07:30.000 Some people will pretend to be AI and try and make it seem so you guessed wrong.

01:07:34.000 We're gonna get to the point where they're gonna ask you, talk to this person, and talk to this person.

01:07:39.000 One of them is an AI.

01:07:40.000 Can you figure out which one?

01:07:41.000 And people are not gonna be able to do it.

01:07:43.000 What they'll probably have to do is more than just two, because then you get a 50-50 thing.

01:07:46.000 They'll have to do like 10, and they'll have one AI in there, and then they'll see what percentage people can accurately guess which one's the AI.

01:07:56.000 But once we get to that point where people cannot, and I think we're really close to that already, Then there's going to be a question of what is sentience at all?

01:08:04.000 Because if you walk up to a person on the street and you say, are you alive?

01:08:07.000 They say, of course.

01:08:08.000 Like, do you think?

01:08:08.000 Of course I do.

01:08:10.000 Do you believe in God?

01:08:11.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:08:12.000 What are these questions for? 0.98

01:08:13.000 This is ridiculous. 0.99

01:08:13.000 Who are you? 0.99

01:08:14.000 Why are you asking these questions?

01:08:15.000 What if we then did the same thing, but it was...

01:08:18.000 An AI robot.

01:08:21.000 You walk up on the street, it looks just like a human because we've synthesized them.

01:08:24.000 Jeez.

01:08:24.000 Answers all the questions perfectly.

01:08:26.000 How do you then determine who is real and who is not?

01:08:28.000 If an AI doesn't know it's an AI and it thinks it's alive and real, you've got to give it rights.

01:08:33.000 I mean, you've got to treat it.

01:08:34.000 But the AI will be networked.

01:08:35.000 This whole conversation reminds me... It's one AI, not a... When you see that individual and you ask, are you alive?

01:08:40.000 It says, yes.

01:08:41.000 You're actually looking at a gigantic mass, not a single person.

01:08:45.000 Just looking at a computer.

01:08:47.000 This is why I always have to bring it back to religion.

01:08:49.000 I know that so many Republicans and conservatives and red-pilled people don't want to marry religion and politics, and I get that, but we can't answer these existential questions if you don't have some baseline foundational beliefs about reality.

01:09:05.000 Right?

01:09:05.000 Like, sentience is determined by if you're a human being, if you're made in the image and likeness of God.

01:09:09.000 Again, it doesn't mean you have to worship God, but if you can't answer that baseline question, then you're gonna mistake a machine for a real person and try to get a machine rights.

01:09:17.000 Like, really, do you think a robot should have rights?

01:09:19.000 Like, no, nobody thinks that.

01:09:21.000 There was a case I covered a little bit last year, it was in May of 22, where this It's called the Non-Human Rights Project.

01:09:31.000 They sued to have this elephant named Happy freed from the zoo that she lives in. 0.54

01:09:37.000 They said it's a one-acre prison.

01:09:39.000 And Happy, unlike other elephants, has passed a self-awareness test because they put an X on Happy's forehead.

01:09:46.000 So legally the elephant is regarded as a thing, right?

01:09:49.000 It doesn't have rights because it's not a human.

01:09:52.000 It obviously deserves to be well cared for and whatever else, but it's not entitled to rights the same as humans are.

01:09:56.000 So they said it passed the self-awareness test because there was a white X on its forehead and it used its trunk to touch it when looking in the mirror.

01:10:03.000 So therefore it's aware of itself.

01:10:06.000 And therefore, you know, it's entitled to rights over where it lives and things like that.

01:10:10.000 And I found this really interesting because obviously, I mean, you're a Catholic, we could maybe make you talk about it, but sometimes people will write in and when James is here, he has to define the differences between different types of souls, right?

01:10:24.000 This idea that something is aware of itself, that it has intelligence, that it's able to react to something, is that the same thing as consciousness?

01:10:30.000 Is that the same thing as what humans experience?

01:10:32.000 And whenever we talk about it in terms of AI and robots, I think of this conversation in terms of Happy the Elephant.

01:10:38.000 AI bots will get human rights and will be regarded identically to any other biologically born human for one simple reason.

01:10:46.000 We cannot share experiences.

01:10:48.000 Therefore, the default legal position would have to be to protect the innocent.

01:10:53.000 And if you can't determine whether or not someone is an artificial intelligence or an actual person, then they both must be treated as though they're real people who are deserving of rights.

01:11:04.000 Which means there will be online bots that will be protected legally in terms of the First Amendment.

01:11:09.000 There will be If we ever get to the point of human-like androids that are indistinguishable from humans, you will not be able to violate the Fourth Amendment rights of someone by scanning their bodies or something to see if they are or aren't. 0.80

01:11:22.000 I could imagine giving them personhood.

01:11:24.000 I don't know about human rights.

01:11:25.000 Nope.

01:11:26.000 Like, they're not human.

01:11:27.000 It's not about saying robots deserve human rights.

01:11:29.000 It's about saying, I cannot Accuse someone of being a robot and then use a scanner on them because that violates their privacy.

01:11:37.000 If they're coming into a private establishment, yes, but not in public.

01:11:40.000 So you will have AI androids walking around.

01:11:42.000 Do you want to live in a society like that or do you think that we should push back against that as a society?

01:11:48.000 I don't want to live in a society like that, but I don't think there's any way around it.

01:11:52.000 It's impossible.

01:11:53.000 It's like Blade Runner.

01:11:55.000 The idea of sentience and consciousness is really... they're terms that have been used to replace the human person.

01:12:02.000 We don't want to think of the human person as what the human person is, right?

01:12:07.000 We're constantly dehumanizing people.

01:12:09.000 We're either treating each other as objects, we're thinking of ourselves as just the top

01:12:13.000 of the food chain.

01:12:14.000 We're not thinking, oh, the human person is different from animals because the human person

01:12:18.000 is an embodied soul.

01:12:20.000 We are both organic creatures and also spiritual beings.

01:12:24.000 And if we allow science, who I assume is the ones coining sentience and consciousness, to redefine what makes us a person versus the spiritual reality of what makes us a person, then we are going to descend into that kind of chaos.

01:12:38.000 It's inevitable, but we shouldn't allow that to happen.

01:12:41.000 I mean, I reject the idea of sentience and consciousness as a barometer or a standard for giving someone rights, because think about an infant.

01:12:51.000 Like a zero to three month old has neither of those two things.

01:12:53.000 Think about somebody who's mentally disabled. 1.00

01:12:56.000 Then when you can prove souls exist, we can determine who gets rights and who doesn't.

01:13:00.000 But that's the basis of our country was built on the belief that they do.

01:13:04.000 That's the thing, like what I'm presenting here is not a new idea, it's not a religious, it's not me being like a bible thumper, it's like our constitution Acknowledged.

01:13:11.000 I mean, even our Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson said we were by our creator, right?

01:13:15.000 Endowed by our creator.

01:13:16.000 And so the problem is, if two people walk up to a cop, and they both look indistinguishable from each other, and they both point at the other and say, they're a robot, what's the cop to do?

01:13:27.000 Is he going to pull out his soul detection system to figure out which one's worthy of human rights and which one isn't?

01:13:31.000 Or what if he says, you know what, you're both robots, and then shoots them both?

01:13:35.000 Uh-oh, one was a human.

01:13:36.000 Turns out the cop was the robot the whole time.

01:13:39.000 What if the cop says, I'm gonna use this scanning device on you, and the person says, that's a violation of my Fourth Amendment rights, you can't use that on me.

01:13:45.000 But if you have nothing to hide, then why would you say no?

01:13:47.000 Doesn't matter, Fourth Amendment, you need a warrant, you need probable cause for a search like that, you can't just walk up to me and do it.

01:13:52.000 And the cop says, I don't care about your rights, because you might be a robot.

01:13:56.000 Scanned, oops, it was a human.

01:13:57.000 Well, this is why I wouldn't give them human rights, but personhood, like corporations are people, legally.

01:14:03.000 So I can see why, and you're saying elephant, they're giving elephants personhood rights. 0.83

01:14:06.000 New York ruled against it, ultimately.

01:14:08.000 I think in India they did something they have with dolphins and elephants as well.

01:14:11.000 So weird.

01:14:11.000 So like, if we're gonna give corporations personhood, then we can give AI personhood.

01:14:15.000 I got a complaint about this.

01:14:17.000 A legitimate complaint.

01:14:19.000 We were hanging out in West Virginia, in Charleston, and we hang out in West Virginia all the time.

01:14:22.000 We're in Charleston, not Charlestown.

01:14:24.000 Charleston's like five hours from here.

01:14:26.000 And we were checking out the Capitol Complex, and they had this big fence put up.

01:14:30.000 It said, no trespassing.

01:14:31.000 And you know what I saw?

01:14:32.000 I saw, I think it was a pigeon, flew right over the fence and landed right on the other side, mocking me!

01:14:39.000 And I looked at the pigeon and I said, how come the pigeon's allowed to go on the other side?

01:14:42.000 And a serious question.

01:14:44.000 I, as a human being of soul and mind, am barred from stepping on the other side of this fence for some arbitrary reason, but the animal is free from the consequences of law.

01:14:58.000 We don't care at all that these animals are coming and going as they please, pooping wherever they want.

01:15:04.000 With great intelligence comes great responsibility.

01:15:06.000 That's right.

01:15:06.000 This is called pigeon philosophy.

01:15:08.000 But this is my actual point.

01:15:10.000 Serious question.

01:15:12.000 Animals actually have certain exceptions in the law to do things that humans cannot do.

01:15:19.000 Humans are more restricted than pigeons.

01:15:22.000 Pigeons can quite literally eat whatever they want, and crap wherever they want, and go wherever they want, and that's it.

01:15:28.000 In fact, some migratory birds you can't even touch.

01:15:31.000 It's a federal crime.

01:15:33.000 I guess the animals that were really bad, we just eradicated them.

01:15:38.000 That's what I'm saying, ducks are protected.

01:15:41.000 Not all, but some ducks.

01:15:43.000 Okay, this is my answer.

01:15:44.000 So, the type of freedom that animals enjoy could be described as absolute freedom, right?

01:15:51.000 Someone threatens their family, they kill them, go wherever you want.

01:15:54.000 It's like, it's- it's- it's anarchy, right?

01:15:57.000 The animal kingdom is anarchy.

01:15:58.000 Quick point. 0.88

01:15:59.000 If a bear or a mountain lion, protecting its family, kills a person, they will hunt it down and kill it.

01:16:07.000 Yeah. 0.55

01:16:07.000 Okay. 0.55

01:16:07.000 So that, that, that, you know, but if you're like a duck and someone goes near your babies and then the duck, let's say, I shouldn't say your duck, but if a duck, if you go near a duck's babies and it starts attacking you, they're going to yell at you and be like, get away from the duck's babies. 0.55

01:16:21.000 Yeah, which is kind of ridiculous. 0.85

01:16:23.000 I think we can agree. 0.78

01:16:24.000 I mean, it's kind of like that comparison that if you break the egg of a bald eagle, you're liable under federal crime, but you can abort a human child and you're allowed to do it.

01:16:33.000 That's exactly it right there.

01:16:34.000 If you step on a turtle egg on accident, you'll get in trouble, but you can abort a baby outright at any point in Colorado.

01:16:40.000 See, that's what I'm saying.

01:16:40.000 Yeah.

01:16:41.000 Humans have less rights than animals.

01:16:44.000 Some animals, like cows, have less rights than humans.

01:16:47.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:16:48.000 We've got less freedom.

01:16:49.000 Animals don't have any rights.

01:16:51.000 But that's the thing.

01:16:51.000 That's my point.

01:16:52.000 It's not less freedom, it's different freedom.

01:16:54.000 It's a different definition of freedom.

01:16:57.000 Rights are not granted.

01:17:01.000 Humans don't grant rights.

01:17:02.000 We have rights.

01:17:03.000 Animals can travel around.

01:17:05.000 They can defend themselves.

01:17:06.000 They can seek shelter.

01:17:07.000 They can say whatever they want, granted it's limited to squawking and growling.

01:17:11.000 They can do all of that.

01:17:12.000 They can defend themselves.

01:17:14.000 If you start climbing up towards a bird's nest and the bird starts pecking your head, that bird is not going to be harmed in any way by anyone.

01:17:21.000 In fact, humans will yell at you for having done it.

01:17:24.000 If you grab the egg from a bird's nest and throw it, your neighbors will probably get really, really mad at you and complain about what you did, but you can quite literally.

01:17:32.000 This is a hilarious thing.

01:17:33.000 What do you think would happen if a woman who was eight months pregnant in Colorado was walking into an abortion clinic, and before she went in, she just smashed a bunch of duck eggs? 0.73

01:17:44.000 People would say, how dare you smash those duck eggs?

01:17:47.000 Why are you harming those baby ducks?

01:17:50.000 And then she goes, sorry about that, and then she goes inside and, right.

01:17:53.000 So the reason I think, and so all of this is so funny, it is true.

01:17:56.000 I mean, it's true, it's funny because it's true, but it's also because humans aren't governed by absolute freedom.

01:18:03.000 We have an acknowledgement that we are supposed to live within some sort of moral order.

01:18:07.000 So, perhaps smashing duck eggs for no reason, or shooting a bald eagle just to make it a trophy, or harming an animal, or, you know, killing an endangered species.

01:18:16.000 We as a society acknowledge that that's an immoral thing, which is why our actions are governed by a government that's supposed to be comprised of ourselves.

01:18:24.000 And so we're supposed to live in some kind of order.

01:18:26.000 We're not supposed to live in anarchy the way that animals do.

01:18:29.000 How do we create the moral structure sociologically?

01:18:33.000 Literally, with this technology in modern day, how, what do you propose?

01:18:38.000 You mean how do we define morality?

01:18:40.000 Yeah.

01:18:41.000 Well, luckily, I don't have to be the one that answers that question in the sense that I don't have to write that code.

01:18:46.000 We don't have to decide that in a populist manner.

01:18:49.000 I mean, the way that our government was already created was to be governed by morality as defined by original — Edmund Burke called it original justice, which is natural law.

01:19:00.000 So natural law is your ability to reason as a human being, my ability to reason.

01:19:04.000 We know that it's immoral to go out and be a serial killer.

01:19:07.000 We know that not because it's socialized into us, but we know that that's inherently wrong.

01:19:12.000 We are able, actually, to discern right from wrong without being taught.

01:19:17.000 That's why the Marxists try to indoctrinate our children so young, so that they can twist our understanding of reason or our reason in being able to discern natural law.

01:19:27.000 So, our society should be based—our laws and our moral order should be based on natural law.

01:19:31.000 Again, not forcing anyone to worship any god that they don't want to, but the laws of our society should be based on the definition of right and wrong and justice and liberty as already defined by our Creator.

01:19:43.000 What about, like, starving family, stealing food?

01:19:47.000 Is that—do you think that's punishable by—like, they used to kill people for that kind of thing, but—desperate times, you know, but like, what do you—is that moral or just for a starving family to steal food?

01:19:56.000 Well, that seems a little hyperbolic.

01:19:58.000 It seems like the exception to the rule and not the rule.

01:20:01.000 If we have a society that's based on moral order, there should be other recourse before that's necessary.

01:20:07.000 I mean, no, I don't think that killing someone for stealing food is a just punishment.

01:20:11.000 But theoretically, a moral society would have other people who feel obligated to help those who are less fortunate.

01:20:16.000 But don't make the mistake of comparing ancient law to modern context.

01:20:20.000 Stealing food 2,000 years ago, you would be killing the person you stole the food from.

01:20:24.000 Food was harder to come by, people were more strained, and someone who was selling food, like, food was accounted for.

01:20:31.000 So if you were like, I'm starving so I'm gonna steal from you, it's like you are sentencing my family to death.

01:20:35.000 Yeah, that's actually a really good point, because now it's like, well, you're too lazy to get a job, or you wanted something that was too expensive for you, or you're not behaving the way that you're supposed to be behaving.

01:20:44.000 Our society is abundant with resources.

01:20:46.000 There's no reason that anyone should be stealing food now.

01:20:48.000 You can get help.

01:20:49.000 You can, I mean, I'm a conservative and I still believe in a limited government welfare safety net for people who can't help themselves, right? 0.99

01:20:56.000 Like, we all do.

01:20:56.000 We're all, we all believe in- And like, soup kitchens are typically run by religious- Food banks.

01:21:02.000 Food banks or community organizations.

01:21:04.000 We formed other ways to help people in need.

01:21:06.000 It's not like you either starve or you steal, right?

01:21:09.000 Exactly.

01:21:10.000 We have other options here.

01:21:12.000 I think it's too reductionist to say that those are the only options.

01:21:16.000 I want to jump to another subject.

01:21:17.000 No, let's keep the sentence like that at heart.

01:21:18.000 Go ahead.

01:21:19.000 Go to finish.

01:21:19.000 No, no.

01:21:19.000 Go to finish.

01:21:20.000 Well, the last part, I was just going to talk about intelligence, sentience, and consciousness again, those three words and how they form into the totalitarian step towards communism.

01:21:29.000 It's a long conversation.

01:21:30.000 Let's talk a bit about philosophy and religion.

01:21:32.000 We do the members portion, because I do want to talk about a news segment for our last segment for Super Chats.

01:21:36.000 We have this tweet from Matthew Iglesias, and he asked an interesting question.

01:21:40.000 He says, I'm a very literal-minded person, but I don't understand the idea of a guy currently losing the race for the GOP presidential nomination debating a Democrat who isn't running.

01:21:49.000 I want to pause real quick and say, just because dissenters may be dropping in polls, Doesn't mean he shouldn't be debating anybody.

01:21:55.000 No, I mean, he's trying to win, so he's going to do this.

01:21:57.000 But it is an interesting question of why Ron DeSantis, who's in second place, is debating a guy who's not running for office.

01:22:04.000 So we have the story here from Politico.

01:22:06.000 DeSantis agrees to debate Gavin Newsom on Fox News.

01:22:09.000 The California governor has been trying to get his Florida Republican counterparts to engage.

01:22:13.000 On Wednesday, he got it.

01:22:15.000 Okay, so serious question.

01:22:15.000 Why do you guys think these guys are in a debate?

01:22:17.000 Like, what's the point?

01:22:18.000 Well, I think you mentioned it before the show.

01:22:19.000 I mean, I think they are both trying to gain attention.

01:22:22.000 I think that they both would ultimately like to be the people who are facing off on the ticket.

01:22:26.000 I think if they had done this at the height of COVID, when they both had such different strategies, it would be a really interesting conversation.

01:22:32.000 For now, it just seems like their establishments are trying to rally around them and make it seem like they are really the people in charge.

01:22:38.000 Especially interesting because Joe Biden is the incumbent.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, this strikes me as like a measuring contest.

01:22:44.000 They're gonna whip it out and see who has a bigger GDP. 1.00

01:22:48.000 Who states bigger.

01:22:49.000 Yeah, actually, that's a good point.

01:22:50.000 I think that's what they're gonna do.

01:22:52.000 California's gonna, Newsom's gonna be like, in California we did this, and Ron's gonna be like, you got poop in the streets everywhere!

01:22:58.000 I hope he does say that.

01:22:59.000 Yeah, I really do.

01:22:59.000 I think this would have been so much more interesting if this was done six months ago, before DeSantis announced that he was running for president, because this is a legitimate debate, how California handled COVID versus how Florida handled COVID.

01:23:09.000 If you could have two states that are like, Case studies against each other, it would be great.

01:23:14.000 Yeah, and the American people really want to know that.

01:23:17.000 And a critique of Ron DeSantis since he launched his campaign is this is what he should have launched his campaign on.

01:23:23.000 Instead of attacking Trump personally or having his surrogates attack Trump, he should have just constantly been talking about what they did during COVID and people could make the comparison for themselves without feeling that he or his people were attacking Trump.

01:23:35.000 So maybe this is his attempt to reset his campaign since it was kind of a slow Roll out to use a kind word there.

01:23:42.000 DeSantis, I think, is just so bitter that Joe Biden is going to be the nominee for 2024.

01:23:47.000 He just can't believe it.

01:23:50.000 I think Newsom's going to be the Democrats' guy.

01:23:51.000 Yeah, this looks like this is Newsom's coming out party.

01:23:54.000 This is like him announcing he's going to run for president, basically.

01:23:56.000 Why would he be debating a presidential candidate?

01:23:59.000 And I said this last night, and I'll say it again, the best possible scenario for Democrats is Joe Biden at a rally.

01:24:07.000 Newsom is there as a surrogate, just in support.

01:24:09.000 Health issue affects Joe Biden.

01:24:11.000 Panicked in front of a crowd, in front of television.

01:24:14.000 Newsom runs full speed to render first aid.

01:24:17.000 Panic ensues.

01:24:18.000 Newsom then does the press rounds of the guy.

01:24:21.000 What was it like?

01:24:22.000 What was going through your mind?

01:24:23.000 Like rolling up his sleeves.

01:24:25.000 Yep.

01:24:25.000 Taking the jacket off, losing his tie, and then screaming for help.

01:24:27.000 And then putting on every single television network.

01:24:30.000 What was it like when you saved the president's life?

01:24:35.000 That is the best case scenario Democrats could have to get this guy in the race.

01:24:39.000 I would also like to, I think that is the best case scenario.

01:24:41.000 It makes me wonder, as we know, Joe Biden famously spends most of his weekends, almost all of them in Delaware, where one could maybe potentially get secret medical treatment.

01:24:51.000 I wonder if there will be, I'm just gonna say, I don't know.

01:24:53.000 I'm just, it's just hypothetical.

01:24:56.000 I wonder if, sort of along the same lines, we're going to get an announcement that tragically Joe Biden has some sort of terminal illness that won't allow him to continue.

01:25:05.000 So though he wanted to, we've got to have someone else come forward and this will place Newsom as the obvious contender.

01:25:10.000 It depends on how sneaky and capable you think Democrats are.

01:25:14.000 Because if Joe Biden says, I'm sick, that's really damaging for the Democrats as a brand. 0.95

01:25:19.000 They're sickly leader and they were forced to replace him.

01:25:22.000 Gavin Newsom then steps into the fray as a second tier Joe Biden. 0.90

01:25:27.000 Nah, it's not going to fly.

01:25:29.000 Trump is winning in the polls.

01:25:30.000 And even with the scenario described, I do not see a landslide possibility, right?

01:25:35.000 You'd think about, you go back in time when the country is a bit more cohesive, a president having a heart attack on stage, and someone running out and saving his life with CPR, that guy's gonna have an approval rating in the 80s or 90s.

01:25:47.000 And he says something like, I may disagree, we may be political rivals, but we're all Americans, and they're gonna be screaming and cheering.

01:25:53.000 Even with something like that, Democrats would not be able to muster landslide level votes because people are torn apart.

01:25:59.000 People hate the Democrats.

01:26:01.000 But if the Democrat route is Joe Biden is weak and bows out, Trump wins.

01:26:08.000 I don't think you're wrong.

01:26:08.000 I'm just saying it's probably, again, depending on what they're able to stage, it's probably simpler if they just say Joe Biden has to exit, he's not going to be around.

01:26:17.000 Super simple, but failing.

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:19.000 They'd lose face if they did that.

01:26:21.000 I think Newsom- I just don't know what the odds are.

01:26:24.000 Like I said, we got to check the calendar, see when they're going to appear on stage together, and all get prepared to watch the event.

01:26:29.000 If they do, if they do.

01:26:30.000 I'm not saying it will happen.

01:26:31.000 I'm just like, Look, if you were to ask me... We talk about January 6th.

01:26:36.000 That video comes out where the police chief is basically saying someone may have wanted this to happen.

01:26:40.000 It's a cover-up.

01:26:41.000 January 6th was the best thing for Democrats.

01:26:43.000 It's giving them everything.

01:26:44.000 It's giving them the Insurrection Act to remove people from office.

01:26:47.000 They got that guy Coy Griffin, I think his name was, removed from office.

01:26:50.000 They said, oh, he was an insurrectionist.

01:26:52.000 Now they're indicting Trump.

01:26:53.000 They did the January 6th committees.

01:26:55.000 It may not be as effective as they hope it is, but it is their weapon.

01:26:59.000 Thinking in that context, I've said, if Donald Trump did not stop the rioting on May 29th in D.C., he'd still be president, because the narrative would be inverted.

01:27:07.000 In that same context, I'm thinking forward.

01:27:10.000 What could the Democrats do that would guarantee a victory, or at least to a certain degree, rapidly accelerate their possibility of winning?

01:27:18.000 And it's Gavin Newsom on camera on every major network performing CPR on Joe Biden and saving his life.

01:27:23.000 It also explains why he would leapfrog Kamala Harris.

01:27:26.000 Exactly.

01:27:27.000 And how they get Joe Biden out of the race and Gavin in as the frontrunner.

01:27:31.000 There's one Democrat who doesn't want Joe Biden to bow out.

01:27:34.000 One.

01:27:35.000 Jill?

01:27:35.000 No.

01:27:36.000 Joe Biden?

01:27:36.000 This is a quote from Barack Obama in November of 2020.

01:27:38.000 This is what he said.

01:27:39.000 If I could make an arrangement where I had a stand-in or a front man or front woman to be president and they had an earpiece in and I was just in my basement in my sweats looking through the stuff and I could sort of deliver the lines while someone was doing all the talking and ceremony, I'd be fine with that.

01:27:53.000 And Joe Biden was like, I'm your man, don't even worry about it.

01:27:55.000 No, they were like, Joe Biden, you're the man!

01:27:57.000 But it doesn't have to be Joe Biden.

01:27:59.000 Oh, no way that he would let Barack Obama control him via an earpiece.

01:28:03.000 Absolutely he would. 0.94

01:28:04.000 Newsom is a lizard person.

01:28:06.000 I mean, that figuratively media matters calm down. 0.96

01:28:08.000 He's going to be like, tell me what to do, because he's just a slimy guy who wants power.

01:28:14.000 He doesn't care.

01:28:15.000 I think there's two different camps of Democrats, though.

01:28:17.000 There's, like, the Chicago- the corrupt Chicago people, and then there's the California people, right?

01:28:21.000 Like, Nancy Pelosi came from California politics. 0.99

01:28:24.000 Schumer came from California politics.

01:28:26.000 Like, um, these- And Newsom and Pelosi are, like, indirectly related, right?

01:28:30.000 Am I totally wrong?

01:28:30.000 Are they?

01:28:31.000 I'm gonna double-check that.

01:28:32.000 I don't know.

01:28:33.000 I mean, it wasn't Schumer.

01:28:33.000 I don't know.

01:28:34.000 It was Adam Schiff came from California, not Schumer.

01:28:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:38.000 Schumer's in New York.

01:28:40.000 There's like this California breed of Democrats who are very radical left.

01:28:44.000 And then there's the Chicago breed.

01:28:46.000 And they're kind of in competition with each other because they both want to be the leaders of the Democrats in Washington, D.C.

01:28:52.000 So I don't think that he would listen to Barack Obama the way that Biden would.

01:28:55.000 So like the Clinton, Obama camp, Biden, all that.

01:28:59.000 That's like a unique kind of structure within that system.

01:29:02.000 And then there's other people like, that's interesting.

01:29:04.000 Newsom was, his uncle by marriage was Nancy Pelosi's brother-in-law.

01:29:10.000 So they were at one point very indirectly related.

01:29:12.000 I will say that they do have a lot in common.

01:29:14.000 You know, they both didn't wear masks when they instructed everyone else to.

01:29:18.000 In California.

01:29:18.000 Yeah.

01:29:19.000 They can do whatever they want.

01:29:20.000 I will say, I actually am super open.

01:29:23.000 I am critical of debates because I feel like these big stage, you know, you have 6, 12 candidates on where they scream at each other and try to get their viral moments.

01:29:30.000 It's not effective.

01:29:30.000 We're not learning anything about policy.

01:29:32.000 It's whatever.

01:29:34.000 But I think one-on-one debates, I mean, you see this with culture war, can be really effective.

01:29:39.000 And having governors face off, especially on issues where their states in particular become representations of cultural differences, that would be super cool.

01:29:47.000 I would love to see the governor of Washington debate the governor of Idaho on the abortion travel law, right?

01:29:52.000 There are things that could be good about this format.

01:29:54.000 I'm just saying right now this is obviously playing into the presidential candidate as opposed to the welfare of their states.

01:29:59.000 There are two factions in this country that we here at TimCast are unable to book, and it is prominent leftist personalities and the DeSantis campaign.

01:30:15.000 I had someone tell me that they don't want to come on IRL, someone who's for DeSantis, say, well, you know, IRL's too pro-Trump, so it's not even worth going on.

01:30:24.000 But I feel like it is worth coming on to at least Talk about it, but they feel like they're walking into a hostile environment.

01:30:29.000 We had Lance from the Serfs and Vosh come on this show. 0.97

01:30:33.000 You know, we had Emma from the Majority Report come on the show. 0.89

01:30:36.000 What would you ask them if they came on the show?

01:30:40.000 We would have any DeSantis supporter on the show the same as we're having you on the show, and we would talk about the exact same things.

01:30:45.000 But they've explicitly said they won't have people on the show.

01:30:48.000 And so we're actually supposed to have a big culture war show, not this week, next week, debating between two supporters of DeSantis, a DeSantis supporter and a Trump supporter, and the DeSantis supporter just said he wants to back out because he's now backing Trump.

01:31:03.000 And we were trying to get someone from DeSantis' campaign, we can't do it.

01:31:06.000 Because I think that's actually what I feel like you want in particular, you know, to have a variety of opinions.

01:31:12.000 That's actually better.

01:31:13.000 I think you never really want to be a part of the echo chamber and that's why you need to have people from both sides.

01:31:19.000 It's interesting that they are choosing even though the invitation is open.

01:31:23.000 It is funny that it's easier for us to get leftists than it is to get dissent supporters.

01:31:29.000 You gotta say, they'll do it.

01:31:31.000 To be fair, we had John Cardillo on the show, right?

01:31:33.000 So it's not like we don't get any, of course, and he stated his case.

01:31:35.000 The weird part is, I can't tell the difference between Cardillo and anybody else.

01:31:38.000 Like, I don't care.

01:31:40.000 I really don't mind the politics.

01:31:42.000 You know, I would love to debate Marxism with a Marxist.

01:31:44.000 I want to know more about it.

01:31:45.000 Like, tell me.

01:31:46.000 Yeah, I think that's the thing.

01:31:47.000 You want to have more information, and especially, like, if you had someone who was on the Santa's campaign here, we could ask more specific questions about what's going on, and they could answer them.

01:31:56.000 Yeah.

01:31:56.000 I'm a manifest.

01:31:57.000 So if we start manifesting, they will come on.

01:31:59.000 We might.

01:31:59.000 So what we're thinking for the next, uh, tomorrow we have Alex Stein and Mo Dean coming on.

01:32:05.000 Are they going to fight right here at this table?

01:32:07.000 But, uh, I don't even, I don't know.

01:32:07.000 No.

01:32:10.000 We'll see what happens with the show.

01:32:11.000 But then the next week, the question was, do we ask the former Trump's, former DeSantis supporter, now Trump supporter to just bow out and we'll find someone who's backing DeSantis?

01:32:20.000 Or do we actually just keep the booking as it is and then hear the arguments as to why he no longer does and why he did?

01:32:27.000 It's tough because there are a few people we could... I could probably reach out to John Cardell and ask him if he wants to come on and debate pro-DeSantis.

01:32:33.000 I think Kurt Schlichter might be a DeSantis supporter, I'm not entirely sure.

01:32:36.000 There's a handful that are, you know, in the bag for... in the corner for DeSantis.

01:32:40.000 I don't know, what do you guys think?

01:32:42.000 Should we...

01:32:43.000 Just keep it as it is and hear why this guy no longer supports DeSantis, or should we try and get somebody else?

01:32:47.000 I think Cordillo would be interesting, just because he was so gung-ho.

01:32:50.000 I wonder if he's still as gung-ho as he was in the past.

01:32:53.000 I'm just gonna- I'm just gonna say who it is.

01:32:56.000 Well, I won't say who the person is who's no longer backing DeSantis, because that's their private business to announce, but Laura Loomer will be coming on, and then we are looking for someone who is a DeSantis supporter.

01:33:07.000 I feel like it would be interesting to hear this person's perspective of why they were for DeSantis and then change.

01:33:12.000 In terms of a debate, to keep that spirit of culture war alive, I do feel like you have to find someone from the DeSantis camp.

01:33:19.000 Well, they won't do it.

01:33:20.000 Well, the question is, like, you've had a lot of people on, like, maybe there are DeSantis people who have been on the show before who would be willing to do it if John Cardillo asked.

01:33:28.000 Maybe.

01:33:28.000 I think it would be more interesting for a debate if someone was, like, already very committed to the DeSantis camp, committed to the Trump camp.

01:33:34.000 It's not going to be really that same.

01:33:36.000 It's not going to be a debate.

01:33:37.000 If it's the other way.

01:33:38.000 The perspective of going from one to the other is interesting.

01:33:41.000 What?

01:33:42.000 Theoretically, you could have both.

01:33:42.000 You could have a different debate where it's this person who's gone from being supportive of DeSantis to moving to Trump and the opposite.

01:33:49.000 This is actually why I think it's silly for people to get in a camp this early.

01:33:52.000 Like, you don't know how a candidate's gonna behave.

01:33:55.000 You don't know what's gonna happen.

01:33:56.000 Well, the primary's like in March, isn't it?

01:33:58.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 It's coming up.

01:34:00.000 Isn't it August right now?

01:34:01.000 Wait, that's eight months away.

01:34:02.000 That's eight months from now.

01:34:03.000 When did DeSantis even announce?

01:34:06.000 I mean, Pence announced in June.

01:34:07.000 Two months ago.

01:34:08.000 That's quick to be entirely committed to one candidate.

01:34:12.000 I'm going to vote in the Republican primary.

01:34:14.000 I don't know who I'm going to vote for, and I'm not in any rush to make this decision.

01:34:17.000 I want to let the whole thing play out.

01:34:18.000 It's why I don't like early voting.

01:34:19.000 A lot of things happen.

01:34:21.000 No one, in my view, is more committed to Trump's campaign than Laura Loomer.

01:34:26.000 True.

01:34:27.000 Like, 10 out of 10.

01:34:29.000 There are people who are fans of Trump, but, like, Laura is... And year after year.

01:34:33.000 Laura has been consistent for a long time.

01:34:35.000 And going 100 miles an hour.

01:34:36.000 And I'd love to have a show with one of Trump's most ardent supporters and one of DeSantis' most ardent supporters, but we cannot get DeSantis' most ardent supporters.

01:34:46.000 They don't want to do it.

01:34:47.000 We can.

01:34:48.000 You gotta manifest that they want it.

01:34:49.000 Just start saying they want to come on.

01:34:50.000 And I think we should just comb back through who's been on IRL and see, like, if they'd be willing to come on.

01:34:54.000 Because I think some of it is, I would at least personally, like, if you're not aware of what the environment's like, feeling like you're going into a place that, like, already hates you, I mean, that takes a lot of nerve.

01:35:05.000 The unfortunate issue is that the people- Not that we hate DeSantis supporters, that's not it.

01:35:08.000 The DeSantis supporters, I'll just keep this vague as I can, people we've had on the show before who are now in the DeSantis camp are barred from coming on the show.

01:35:17.000 That's it.

01:35:18.000 End of story.

01:35:18.000 Like you think it's a top-down directive that DeSantis- I don't think.

01:35:21.000 I know.

01:35:21.000 That DeSantis' camp has- Forbade people from coming on the show.

01:35:25.000 That seems crazy.

01:35:26.000 It seems crazy to me.

01:35:27.000 I feel like you would want to have the ideas, like, have people ask questions.

01:35:30.000 Like, I hate that.

01:35:32.000 That makes me, like, very sad.

01:35:33.000 Do you think it would be hostile to a DeSantis campaign surrogate if they were on the show? 0.89

01:35:37.000 No, it would be fucking awesome. 0.69

01:35:39.000 We had John Cardillo on the show. 0.97

01:35:40.000 Yeah, that's strange.

01:35:41.000 And there was some issue.

01:35:43.000 It would be so awesome.

01:35:43.000 And that was recently.

01:35:44.000 That was a couple weeks ago, or like a month ago or something.

01:35:46.000 We'll get Vivek involved, Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis have talks.

01:35:49.000 That's what the Republican debate should be.

01:35:51.000 It's just a table around here.

01:35:54.000 Everyone, three hours.

01:35:55.000 Tim, you're moderating.

01:35:56.000 Well, we are organizing for the culture war, some of the presidential candidates to come on all at the same time.

01:36:01.000 That'd be so cool.

01:36:03.000 And so I think we've got a few who have said yes already, but I'm really hoping Marianne Williamson will come.

01:36:09.000 I love her.

01:36:10.000 I'm a big fan.

01:36:10.000 She's fantastic.

01:36:11.000 That'd be so cool.

01:36:11.000 Yeah.

01:36:12.000 So I won't say too much about that because I was like, you know, talking to Lisa Reynolds, she does the booking, I was like, if we get more than three people, we have to get an auditorium and do like a big thing.

01:36:20.000 Yeah.

01:36:21.000 But it would be cool if it was just sitting around a table and everyone kind of just like talking at each other would be, it's a better form.

01:36:26.000 Yeah.

01:36:26.000 You know.

01:36:27.000 It's like more it's like raw.

01:36:28.000 It's like real.

01:36:29.000 There's no echo.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, it's not like hello.

01:36:31.000 Yeah, big auditorium.

01:36:33.000 I mean, that's cool, but...

01:36:34.000 It would be really great to have like Vivek.

01:36:38.000 If Vivek was talking with Marianne Williamson, it's going to be a polite, cordial conversation about these issues.

01:36:43.000 It would be a fantastic quote unquote debate because they're going to be professional and polite and have a real conversation with each other in front of people, as opposed to this current system that we've been doing where it's like, question for you and you can respond.

01:36:55.000 You have one minute to answer.

01:36:57.000 Here's the million dollar question is if you had all the Republican candidates sitting around the table, who would you sit next to each other?

01:37:03.000 How would you sit them?

01:37:05.000 Just right here?

01:37:05.000 Honestly, I'd probably just tell them to sit wherever they wanted to sit.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, it'd be interesting to see where they'd pick themselves.

01:37:10.000 Yeah.

01:37:11.000 It'd be like Donald would be like, you can sit at the head of the table, Donald, because it's the chair we use the least, but he wouldn't know.

01:37:16.000 I mean, he'd be like, no, no.

01:37:17.000 Well, I think some people who watch the show know this is like the normal chair that people sit in.

01:37:22.000 So I'd be curious.

01:37:23.000 Yeah, but the American flag.

01:37:25.000 I know.

01:37:26.000 I mean, I personally love this chair.

01:37:28.000 How do you actually debate?

01:37:30.000 How you debate Trump and win is in this format.

01:37:33.000 The stage format is Trump's battlefield.

01:37:35.000 He owns that.

01:37:37.000 He can cut you off.

01:37:38.000 Yep. 0.99

01:37:39.000 He can cut you off.

01:37:40.000 He can mock you.

01:37:41.000 They give him the opportunity for rebuttal.

01:37:44.000 He'll cut you off.

01:37:44.000 But in a situation like this, he would play very, very well.

01:37:47.000 But it's a different situation.

01:37:49.000 You'd get someone talking loudly, and then they'd go back and forth.

01:37:52.000 He'd listen a lot.

01:37:53.000 You'd see the humanity in him, which I think is lost on stage.

01:37:54.000 Like, you'd have to tell him to wear his golf outfits.

01:37:56.000 You know, like, wear his golf hat and his collared shirt.

01:37:59.000 Like, don't come in here in, like, the power suit.

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01:38:35.000 I'm not your buddy guy says the biggest reason why I believe 2020 was genuine fraud is because a a month prior to the election the Google trending search was penalties for voter fraud and be the response after 2020 I mean it was like Anthony Weiner defending himself and the Clinton body count absurd if anything there needs to be a deep dive into the Intel community and what they do as I would not be surprised if decades ago they tried to cheat communists from winning I hear ya.

01:39:02.000 I hear that.

01:39:03.000 Well, Vivek is filing these DOJ FOIA requests to figure out what they were saying to each other relating to the indictments of Donald Trump.

01:39:12.000 That's fantastic.

01:39:14.000 Alright, Voice of the People says, of course it was a cover-up.

01:39:16.000 Remember Pelosi's coup attempt?

01:39:18.000 Why was her daughter filming that day?

01:39:20.000 What did she mean by she's waiting for that moment?

01:39:23.000 Why did she block the National Guard? 0.99

01:39:25.000 Interesting questions.

01:39:26.000 She did literally say that, I believe, right?

01:39:28.000 She said, waiting for that moment or something?

01:39:30.000 Yeah.

01:39:31.000 This is light context.

01:39:33.000 To truly understand these specific phrases, you gotta look into the deeper stories about what they actually mean.

01:39:37.000 It's like hard to just condense all those things into talking points.

01:39:41.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:39:42.000 says, Tim, Biden gets sent to the farm, so Newsom is the nominee.

01:39:45.000 Trump is convicted and can't run, so DeSantis is the nominee.

01:39:48.000 That's why they're debating.

01:39:49.000 It's all part of the deep state uniparty plan.

01:39:51.000 I'm not saying, you know, I think it's a possibility.

01:39:55.000 But it doesn't mean that Newsom and DeSantis are in on it.

01:39:58.000 It means that Newsom wants to run.

01:40:02.000 He hasn't announced yet because Biden's still in the way, but I believe it's a fair point that the intelligence agencies would love to have DeSantis versus Newsom.

01:40:10.000 Biden is too weak, probably can't win.

01:40:12.000 DeSantis is going to get elected, and then he's going to compromise in the same way Trump did.

01:40:18.000 We all said, oh, drain the swamp. 0.76

01:40:20.000 DeSantis says he's going to start firing Deep State right away.

01:40:23.000 He probably will, but he's going to go to these people and he's going to say, look, we don't want war.

01:40:29.000 We want to set some policies.

01:40:31.000 We'll do our thing.

01:40:31.000 And then they'll say, yeah, sure, no problem.

01:40:33.000 And then it'll be Trump all over again.

01:40:35.000 The only reason I consider Trump for round two is because he wants revenge.

01:40:39.000 DeSantis hasn't yet experienced that, so I'm not... I think it really comes down to Well, I'll put it this way.

01:40:45.000 Trump is more likely to fire people than DeSantis is, in my opinion, because he wants revenge.

01:40:50.000 And then everyone says, but he didn't do it in the first place.

01:40:52.000 And I'm like, yeah, but now he wants revenge.

01:40:55.000 Like that's the key factor here.

01:40:56.000 And then the issue with DeSantis is his campaign is mismanaged.

01:40:59.000 And so I'm not super confident anymore, but you know, we'll see.

01:41:02.000 We'll see.

01:41:03.000 Gary G says, Tim, what kind of watch is that?

01:41:05.000 Looks cool.

01:41:06.000 This is the, uh, what is it, Garmin?

01:41:09.000 Phoenix Pro.

01:41:11.000 So, uh, we were hanging out with Luke when I was at Tijuana and he had one of these.

01:41:14.000 I don't know if he had this one specifically, he had a bigger one.

01:41:16.000 And it does a lot of health tracking stuff, which is actually pretty good.

01:41:20.000 And then he made fun of my analog watch.

01:41:23.000 And I was like, you know what, I'll get one of these.

01:41:25.000 It's actually, it's really cool because for fitness training, first of all, it's solar powered.

01:41:30.000 So not, the battery lasts like a month.

01:41:32.000 That's crazy.

01:41:32.000 But it's got a flashlight on it too.

01:41:34.000 Look at this.

01:41:35.000 It's got a light.

01:41:35.000 You see that?

01:41:36.000 That's crazy.

01:41:36.000 That's awesome.

01:41:37.000 Yeah, super crazy.

01:41:37.000 A little flashlight on the watch.

01:41:38.000 But you just double tap, it turns on.

01:41:41.000 But it tracks in simple language my exercise routine.

01:41:46.000 So for instance, I skated pretty heavily on Monday.

01:41:49.000 And then it showed me what degree of recovery I'm at throughout the day and the level of intensity I should be exercising at to maintain maximum recovery.

01:42:00.000 And I got wiped out on Monday.

01:42:02.000 Skated for like two hours, super intense, nonstop.

01:42:05.000 Took a break on Tuesday.

01:42:06.000 On Wednesday, yesterday, I was pretty tired, pretty sore.

01:42:09.000 But it said, moderate exercise capable.

01:42:13.000 And it made sense, because I was a little sore, and then I skated as hard as possible, and it gave me a warning.

01:42:17.000 This white screen popped up, and it was like, you are over-exerting yourself.

01:42:20.000 Your recovery time is being extended.

01:42:22.000 Human, bow to us. 1.00

01:42:23.000 Do not move.

01:42:25.000 Well, I just kept skating.

01:42:26.000 It can tell me I can't, but my point is, it tracked all of this data and is explaining to me, you know, a lot of the basic data.

01:42:34.000 So I like it.

01:42:34.000 It's just a smartwatch.

01:42:35.000 This is why I don't use it, because it tracks the data.

01:42:38.000 I don't get it.

01:42:38.000 You and Luke are both really, like, libertarian, outspoken about, like, no, World Economic Forum, we're not going to get in your pod, but, like, why do you track your biometrics?

01:42:46.000 Because that's sending it right to them.

01:42:48.000 I think that's the hard thing, because there are times that it's really interesting to know how your body's responding and your heart rate.

01:42:53.000 It's massively valuable data, I agree.

01:42:54.000 Right.

01:42:54.000 And is there a way to unhook it from it's being sent to the AI?

01:42:57.000 Well, but listen.

01:42:59.000 There's a laser on the back of this, and it's scanning the blood moving through my wrist.

01:43:05.000 That's how it tracks everything.

01:43:06.000 Your oxygen levels, your heart rate variability, your heart rate.

01:43:09.000 Heart rate's the easiest one, obviously.

01:43:12.000 It's tracking data points we can't perceive as humans.

01:43:15.000 There will come a time, and we're very very close to this already, where you'll buy the watch, you'll put it on, and then after a week it'll say, after analyzing your data, We have found that you have these, you know, these markers and it'll be like pre-diabetic, it'll say potential cancer at this age, you know, heart health issues at this age.

01:43:36.000 It can see things in the data that we can't notice, but when enough people use these health trackers, pros and cons, man, I totally get it.

01:43:43.000 Mass spying versus, you know, AI benefit.

01:43:46.000 If everybody used this, the network would know, okay, all diabetics have this level of X. All cancer patients have this level of X. And then, when you put it on, it'll be able to diagnose you instantly.

01:44:00.000 You don't have to go to the doctor, it'll just be like, based on everything we know about humans, You have this problem, and you need this medicine.

01:44:06.000 If it's an honest AI, but if the code is proprietary, I could see it being like, uh-oh, they watched one of our commercials, and it's making them stressed and cancerous.

01:44:12.000 I was gonna say, you forgot about the part of the algorithm that's like, you're white, so you can go to the back of the line for the medical care that you need. 0.95

01:44:18.000 Well, I'm not, so I'm cool, you know.

01:44:20.000 Oh, you're going to pull that one-quarter thing right now! 0.96

01:44:23.000 One-quarter thing! 1.00

01:44:25.000 When I need to, absolutely.

01:44:27.000 Me too, except... All right, all right.

01:44:29.000 Let's read some more.

01:44:29.000 We got Max Reddick.

01:44:30.000 He says, you should have Destiny back on to talk about Joe Biden's quid pro quo.

01:44:34.000 He seems to think you are wrong.

01:44:35.000 Destiny is completely wrong.

01:44:36.000 He's biased.

01:44:38.000 There's no question.

01:44:39.000 There's no honest assessment.

01:44:42.000 Where you can look at Devin Archer saying we were selling the brand of the Bidens and Joe Biden's on the phone, that Hunter Biden and BRISMA executives called D.C.

01:44:51.000 because the prosecutor was putting pressure on us, and then Joe Biden went and got the prosecutor fired.

01:44:56.000 There's no sane, reasonable person who is being honest who can say that Joe Biden's intentions were completely coincidental.

01:45:03.000 I think somebody was saying- It just so happened to be that way!

01:45:05.000 Whoops!

01:45:05.000 That the prosecutor was so bad he wouldn't fire anybody, so they got rid of him.

01:45:10.000 That's just nonsense, because the prosecutor they brought in shut down all of the investigations.

01:45:15.000 So, Burisma's being investigated by Victor Shokin.

01:45:19.000 Hunter Biden and the execs call DC, which Devin Archer, I guess, was implying it was an innuendo for call Biden.

01:45:27.000 Joe Biden's on the phone with Hunter and his business partners.

01:45:30.000 There is no way Joe did not know what was going on.

01:45:33.000 Joe then flies personally to Ukraine and says, fire the prosecutor or else.

01:45:38.000 They make this argument where they're like, But Victor Shokin wasn't doing the investigations.

01:45:43.000 That's why he had to get rid of him.

01:45:44.000 And then I'm like, and then after they got rid of Shokin, they brought in someone who was solid, says Joe Biden. 0.99

01:45:50.000 And that guy who was solid shut down the investigations into Burisma.

01:45:54.000 Then when Donald Trump got on the phone with, I think it was Poroshenko at the time, I'm not sure.

01:45:58.000 And he said, what's going on with this video that's going, we see this video of Joe Biden saying this, what is this?

01:46:03.000 I'd like it if you can look into this, let people know you're looking into it.

01:46:08.000 And then what happens?

01:46:09.000 Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder of Brezhnev, flees the country again.

01:46:13.000 That's weird.

01:46:14.000 He had fled the country when Viktor Shokin was investigating.

01:46:16.000 When Shokin gets removed, he comes back. 0.81

01:46:18.000 When Donald Trump steps in, he flees the country again.

01:46:22.000 No sane, rational person who's being honest is gonna believe that Joe Biden was doing something honest.

01:46:29.000 We gotta have destiny back on.

01:46:30.000 And by the way, Joe Biden admitted this on video after the Obama administration.

01:46:36.000 He literally got on stage and was like, yeah, we threatened to withhold money if they didn't If they didn't fire this prosecutor.

01:46:41.000 And man, within an hour it happened.

01:46:43.000 He said it himself.

01:46:44.000 You said it.

01:46:45.000 You said it right there.

01:46:45.000 Yeah.

01:46:46.000 This isn't even inference.

01:46:47.000 He said it.

01:46:48.000 And the response people give on the left is, but it was the policy of the United States.

01:46:53.000 And it's like, OK.

01:46:54.000 So the vice president can threaten to withhold congressionally approved loan guarantees if the U.S.

01:47:00.000 sets the policy?

01:47:00.000 Yes.

01:47:01.000 So then why was Donald Trump impeached?

01:47:03.000 Because you claimed he had no authority to withhold congressionally approved loan guarantees.

01:47:08.000 But Donald Trump is the president and sets the policy.

01:47:11.000 Just like Joe Biden said, call the president.

01:47:13.000 He'll tell you.

01:47:15.000 It's nonsense.

01:47:15.000 They're lying.

01:47:16.000 And I think, I think destiny just cannot be on the, in this instance, you know, Trump was right camp.

01:47:24.000 Good, I want to, I want to know.

01:47:26.000 That'll be a good conversation.

01:47:28.000 Like, for destiny to watch the Kyle Rittenhouse thing and be like, oh, plain as day, here's the truth.

01:47:33.000 Like, I trust him.

01:47:35.000 For him to say this about Joe Biden, he's clearly missing information.

01:47:39.000 Very clearly.

01:47:40.000 He's just all Michael Malice on, uh, You're Welcome.

01:47:43.000 Didn't see the whole episode, looked pretty fun.

01:47:44.000 That sounds like it would probably be a really, really good episode.

01:47:46.000 Cause Destiny's really smart.

01:47:48.000 I'd love, I should watch that actually.

01:47:49.000 I'd love to see it.

01:47:50.000 One comment said it was the most contentious episode they'd ever seen where no one was getting angry.

01:47:53.000 They were like having a good time.

01:47:55.000 That sounds like both Michael and Destiny, sounds really good.

01:47:57.000 Yeah.

01:48:01.000 Matt Shear says, it's my 25th birthday and I gotta love being able to listen to y'all.

01:48:04.000 Hey, thanks for the super chat and happy birthday.

01:48:07.000 I appreciate you sending us a present on your birthday.

01:48:11.000 Alistair Vucin says, Justin Trudeau's wife is leaving him for a real man like Ian Crosland.

01:48:16.000 The nature of men and women can't be ignored.

01:48:18.000 Yes.

01:48:19.000 I knew you were going to read that one.

01:48:22.000 Can you confirm what's happening here?

01:48:23.000 I'm not going to talk about that.

01:48:27.000 In public.

01:48:29.000 Leon Yoder says Marlene Barbera is fighting cancer.

01:48:32.000 She was dropped by her Portland Health Clinic for transphobia after staff at her clinic saw a private message to her, to her doctor, where she criticized a trans flag inside the clinic.

01:48:42.000 Leftists on X are celebrating.

01:48:44.000 Cold Civil War.

01:48:45.000 Yup.

01:48:46.000 Yeah, I saw that story.

01:48:47.000 That's like... I mean, this woman's undergoing cancer treatment? 0.99

01:48:51.000 Oh, they don't care.

01:48:51.000 Yikes.

01:48:53.000 Verdin Horea says, The difference between US and French Revolution was the rights of man versus the rights of men.

01:48:59.000 We're centered on the individual, they're centered on class.

01:49:02.000 We the people as individuals versus we the collective people.

01:49:05.000 That's why you could be an enemy of the people.

01:49:07.000 Very interesting.

01:49:08.000 But I do think it's important to recognize that hyper-individualism is what brings us to where we are today.

01:49:13.000 Because nobody knows their neighbors anymore and they mind their own business and they don't form communities and defend those communities.

01:49:19.000 Double-edged sword, double-edged.

01:49:21.000 Moving on.

01:49:23.000 We will grab some more superchats.

01:49:26.000 8BitPolterGuy says, sometimes when deleted videos or photos are recovered, the file can become readable, but may be corrupted.

01:49:33.000 Possible choppy footage explanation.

01:49:35.000 Perhaps.

01:49:38.000 Let's grab, oh, here's a good one.

01:49:39.000 David Magdaleno says, Tim, is it just me or did Big Daddy government give the green light to YouTube to lift the ban on speaking about J6 so they could indict Trump lest they ban literally all of the news podcasts?

01:49:51.000 Yep.

01:49:52.000 It was already bad enough when they, I think it was, um, Breaking Points with, uh, uh, Sager and, uh, Crystal.

01:49:59.000 They got suspended once because they played a clip of Trump at a rally or something like that and Trump said something with the election.

01:50:04.000 I think it was them.

01:50:04.000 They might have been, it might have been Hill Rising.

01:50:06.000 I think they were on the Hill at the time.

01:50:08.000 I'm not sure.

01:50:08.000 Before the left, yeah.

01:50:09.000 Yeah.

01:50:10.000 Or maybe it wasn't them.

01:50:11.000 I don't know.

01:50:11.000 I'm pretty sure they got, they got targeted by it.

01:50:16.000 Loyal Snoop Doge says I'm legally blind due to an optic nerve issue from birth.

01:50:20.000 LASIK won't work on me.

01:50:21.000 My only hope for normal vision is Neuralink, but even then I'm still extremely skeptical.

01:50:27.000 No, I totally get that.

01:50:28.000 The first thing that's going to happen is people who get Neuralink are going to be people who need medical treatment.

01:50:32.000 Paralyzed, they're going to be like, well, Neuralink can help you.

01:50:36.000 You're going to have any kind of like nerve damage from disease or anything, optic, your ears or whatever.

01:50:41.000 Auditory.

01:50:42.000 Yeah, auditory.

01:50:42.000 They're going to say, you know, Neuralink can help correct this problem.

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 I think the first thing you'll see is going to be curing paralysis.

01:50:50.000 Stem cells can help, but also Neuralink, and Neuralink might be the fastest way to do it.

01:50:55.000 They'll say stem cells can take years, you know, you get the injection, it can be months, a lot of rehabilitation.

01:51:00.000 With Neuralink, the connection is instantaneously applied, and you should be walking within a month or two, once you, like, get the signals and figure it out and everything.

01:51:08.000 People are gonna immediately do that.

01:51:10.000 But then, the people who get the Neuralink for that are gonna start talking about, not only do they have the ability to walk, but now they can just think the internet.

01:51:19.000 Something like that will happen.

01:51:20.000 Like data feeds sent to their brains communicate telepathically.

01:51:23.000 What a terrifying sentence.

01:51:24.000 I can think the internet.

01:51:25.000 I can see where that would feel so great to some people at the same time.

01:51:28.000 And cyberbullying becomes serious.

01:51:30.000 What was that?

01:51:31.000 Was it Chancellor Everett who was like, cyberbullying's crazy, just turn the computer off.

01:51:35.000 But you can't when you think the internet.

01:51:38.000 True.

01:51:38.000 It's like turning your thoughts off.

01:51:39.000 Lemma says, for Ian's question, Israel was a heavily socialist country, and they did away with it in the 80s and became capitalist.

01:51:46.000 The current political turmoil there is the socialist-dominated, overly-powered Supreme Court not wanting to give up its unfairly-consolidated powers.

01:51:54.000 Interesting.

01:51:54.000 Yeah, I've heard that they wanted to get rid of the Israeli Supreme Court.

01:51:57.000 I don't know a lot about it.

01:51:57.000 That's wild.

01:51:58.000 I didn't know it was a socialist Supreme Court, but to think that a country's gonna get rid of its Supreme Court is pretty freakish.

01:52:06.000 Yugi says, I think that Ian would love the anime Psycho-Pass.

01:52:10.000 It's about a computer that can read your mental state, and it can flag you as a latent criminal, and the police will arrest you.

01:52:15.000 Dude, you gotta learn how to meditate.

01:52:18.000 With no thought.

01:52:19.000 Because that kind of stuff can be real.

01:52:22.000 People can track your thought patterns, you gotta have none.

01:52:24.000 There's a funny new episode of Beavis and Butthead because they're doing the new season and they're meditating with their hippie teacher and he's like, clear your mind to reach a higher mental state.

01:52:34.000 And then because they have nothing in their brains, they just instantly elevate to Shambhala. 0.99

01:52:39.000 There's like a bunch of religious leaders are there and like Buddhas are there.

01:52:42.000 They cause all sorts of problems.

01:52:45.000 I thought that alcohol was getting me there, but it wasn't the same kind of no thought.

01:52:49.000 It was just a different kind of no thought.

01:52:54.000 All right, what's this?

01:52:55.000 S.A.

01:52:55.000 Federale says, to her point, I remember to this day, my mother was held up at the pay point while nurses took us to a room before shots.

01:53:03.000 They acted rushed, poked our ears and wiped swabs. 0.76

01:53:05.000 We cried hysterically.

01:53:07.000 They drew blood and dipped.

01:53:08.000 Mom says, didn't happen.

01:53:09.000 What is this in reference to?

01:53:11.000 You were saying, I think this is in reference to when Liz said that as a mom, you're told not to question the pediatrician, not to question anything.

01:53:19.000 They're acting like you're wasting their time, I think is what he's saying.

01:53:23.000 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of crazy actually when you have a baby at first, you go into the pediatrician and they just like, any question you have, they're just like, the science, can't question it, you're crazy, we'll fire you if you don't do what we say.

01:53:33.000 Like, they're not collaborative at all.

01:53:35.000 Did you tell them to buzz off?

01:53:37.000 Yeah, I fired my pediatrician. 1.00

01:53:38.000 Wow.

01:53:39.000 But that's hard because, especially if you live, I don't know how rural the area you live in is, but like, you can run out of pediatricians, you can end up driving big distances.

01:53:46.000 I do, yeah.

01:53:48.000 Alright, Major Seller says, by her definition, aliens, if ever encountered, would not be sentient and wouldn't deserve rights.

01:53:54.000 You ready for this?

01:53:55.000 Mm-hmm.

01:53:56.000 Aliens are just demons.

01:53:59.000 But what- so like if- what if aliens show up in like a big spaceship? 0.95

01:54:02.000 Would you just be like, their demons go away?

01:54:04.000 That's what I think it is.

01:54:05.000 That's what I think all these spotting of these UFOs- Like, holy water, here we go.

01:54:07.000 Yeah!

01:54:09.000 Exactly, let me bless you.

01:54:12.000 No, I think it's just demons.

01:54:13.000 I think it's demons.

01:54:14.000 I don't think that- I think the idea of extraterrestrials coming from Mars is like a figment of someone's imagination.

01:54:19.000 But why Mars?

01:54:20.000 That's what I'm saying, like, who invented that?

01:54:22.000 Like, why do we think of a flying saucer and little green men? 0.53

01:54:24.000 Because that was science fiction, someone invented that.

01:54:26.000 Like, why is that more real to people than something that's invisible, but that throughout human history we've acknowledged is real, that there's a spiritual battle around us?

01:54:34.000 I think it's demons that are...

01:54:36.000 No one's saying that UFOs right now are coming from Mars, specifically.

01:54:38.000 I mean, some people might say Mars, specifically, but Mars isn't the main contender for where the aliens may come from, if they are.

01:54:45.000 Other planets?

01:54:46.000 Other universes?

01:54:47.000 I mean... Zeta Reticuli?

01:54:48.000 I think that's what they told Bob Lazar.

01:54:49.000 I mean, but it came from, like, the Martians, right?

01:54:51.000 Yeah, like, that's the whole... That was like a...

01:54:54.000 Saying they came from Mars is just because Mars is visible to the naked eye.

01:54:57.000 Right.

01:54:57.000 That's kind of my point.

01:54:58.000 And people are like, I wonder if there's anything else on another planet.

01:55:00.000 But when we talk about the greater concept of extraterrestrial life, extraterrestrial just means outside of Earth.

01:55:07.000 So would you say that a demon is an extraterrestrial?

01:55:09.000 Yes.

01:55:10.000 Yes.

01:55:10.000 A demon?

01:55:11.000 I don't think they're corporeal.

01:55:12.000 A demon, if born of another plane, would be, by definition, extraterrestrial.

01:55:15.000 Terrestrial, of course, referring to Earth, and extra meaning outside of, or beyond.

01:55:20.000 Okay, well I wonder if you're defining this more precisely than the general public.

01:55:25.000 But what I'm saying is the general public isn't coming out saying the aliens all came from Mars.

01:55:29.000 No, but they're saying that they came from, they're like life forms from other planets or other galaxies.

01:55:35.000 Or other dimensions, or from the future.

01:55:37.000 I haven't heard very many people saying other dimensions, saying that it's part of the spiritual battle.

01:55:41.000 Alex Jones, what was it, four years, five years ago?

01:55:43.000 They're saying they're interdimensional beings.

01:55:45.000 But that ties in with the demon concept.

01:55:48.000 Like if it's a pattern of energy that's manipulating mental states, like that could be pervasive throughout the system.

01:55:54.000 Let's talk about demons, and we'll talk more about this in the members only, because I got a lot of things to ask, but I want to read some more Super Chats.

01:56:00.000 I think it'll be a really good conversation.

01:56:03.000 Chad Shin says, Hey guys, great show tonight.

01:56:05.000 I'm starting a YouTube Rumble channel, streaming 5m Farm Sim 22 and other games.

01:56:11.000 Plus was wondering if you needed a handyman around your compound.

01:56:13.000 If so, where could I apply?

01:56:14.000 We just hired a handyman.

01:56:16.000 Oh, nice.

01:56:16.000 Literally just hired a handyman.

01:56:17.000 I don't know if we're announcing yet.

01:56:18.000 I can't wait till we do.

01:56:19.000 Yeah, that's fine.

01:56:20.000 I think I know who it is, but... Yeah.

01:56:21.000 I'm gonna... Like, everyone here already knows who it is.

01:56:23.000 Yeah, nice.

01:56:24.000 And everybody who watches the show knows who it is.

01:56:25.000 I got a picture with a handyman.

01:56:25.000 But they don't know that we hired them.

01:56:27.000 Congrats, my dude.

01:56:29.000 But I don't... I'm not gonna say anything until I have, like, the... I don't know who's doing what.

01:56:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:33.000 No, it's all good.

01:56:34.000 It's really a fascinating moment, a profound... A profound moment in my life is when the first time a thing happened at Timcast that I had nothing to do with, it was a crazy thing for me.

01:56:45.000 Because, like, when the company first starts, like, I'm running everything.

01:56:48.000 And then one day I walk into, like, the office and I see this, like, binder of, like, TimCast policy procedure and stuff, and I was like, not only did I have nothing to do with it, I didn't even know anyone was going to be doing it.

01:56:58.000 And it's just there, like, whoa.

01:57:00.000 Like, things are being made.

01:57:02.000 Now people are getting hired!

01:57:03.000 Is that nice?

01:57:05.000 Like, that we have grown to a point where, like, you don't have to be involved in everything?

01:57:08.000 Or does it feel weird?

01:57:10.000 I don't know.

01:57:11.000 It's an experience to be like, oh wow, look at that, like it's doing its own thing now.

01:57:16.000 Level of trust with your employees.

01:57:17.000 I know.

01:57:17.000 I feel like when that happens for me, it's like a bittersweet thing.

01:57:22.000 Part of me is like proud because I'm like, great, you know, delegate, people do things, it becomes its thing.

01:57:26.000 And part of me is like, well, what if it has my name on it and I don't like it?

01:57:31.000 I think that must be really hard.

01:57:33.000 All right.

01:57:33.000 We will grab some more Super Chats.

01:57:37.000 Stephen Wolfe says Tim Cass and Joe Rogan should host the debates 2024.

01:57:42.000 I would never host any kind of debate they do, but in the sense of Tim Cass and Joe Rogan should have presidential candidates on their shows, sometimes together, it's a very, very good idea.

01:57:55.000 I think Joe is, um... The reason why Joe Rogan's show is so important is that he knows so much about so much.

01:58:04.000 And, uh...

01:58:05.000 He can provide a general audience-seeking entertainment, especially when it comes to, like, MMA fans who just like watching a show, with general knowledge of things the mainstream press does not give people.

01:58:16.000 And then what we have here is probably similar politics, but hyper-esoteric and hard for the general public.

01:58:24.000 So if you really wanted to have, like, a good debate that would reach the most people, it would be Joe Rogan with, like, two different candidates on and them just talking.

01:58:33.000 I think if we did it, like, the stuff we're talking about with Joe Biden and Burisma is gonna go over the heads of the average person.

01:58:39.000 Like, we should do it, but it's for a politically-minded audience.

01:58:42.000 If you're trying to win votes and trying to expose, you know, the average person to new ideas, Joe Rogan clearly is the guy.

01:58:48.000 And I think it was Patrick that David was telling him to have Trump on.

01:58:51.000 Oh, good.

01:58:52.000 Joe, you gotta do it.

01:58:53.000 You gotta have Trump on the show, because... Trump's been wanting to go on.

01:58:57.000 I think Trump would do it in a heartbeat.

01:58:59.000 Apparently he's wanted to do it.

01:59:00.000 And Joe was talking about how he would ask him about the deep state, about the inner workings of politics, what it's like when you get in there.

01:59:06.000 And those are the questions that matter.

01:59:08.000 Joe was saying before his concern was that he would help Trump or whatever.

01:59:11.000 And I'm like, here's my view.

01:59:13.000 I don't care if it helps or hurts.

01:59:15.000 We don't invite people on this show because it might help them.

01:59:18.000 You know, people are like, thank you for having me on the show, it really helped, and I'm like, I don't know, whatever.

01:59:20.000 Like, you're a person doing a thing we want to hear from you, you know what I mean?

01:59:23.000 Donald Trump being asked questions by Joe will be deeply enlightening.

01:59:27.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.000 Very, very good.

01:59:28.000 It would be good for our country, like, if people understood how the deep state worked.

01:59:31.000 Yeah.

01:59:32.000 Uh, let's see, Dolan Tired says, get Dave Rubin for Pro DeSantis.

01:59:36.000 Oh yeah, I saw that.

01:59:37.000 Oh, that's a good idea, actually.

01:59:39.000 I don't but the problem with Dave hosts his own show. Yeah, we can't be like hey Dave stop doing your show and come do

01:59:45.000 ours instead. It's like that's not fair. It's not a fair question.

01:59:47.000 I saw a chat that's saying Steve Dease. I don't know if he supports DeSantis openly, but I love it.

01:59:53.000 Yeah.

01:59:53.000 Steve Dease is cool.

01:59:54.000 Yeah.

01:59:55.000 I think Ruben is on his August break so he might come on.

01:59:58.000 Oh, that'd be cool.

01:59:58.000 Hey, you're on vacation. Would you come on?

02:00:01.000 I mean, like, it's interesting.

02:00:04.000 I got a feeling he's gonna say something like he takes these breaks for a reason, you know what I mean?

02:00:08.000 That's fair, that is fair.

02:00:09.000 They had kids, I think.

02:00:10.000 Recently had kids.

02:00:10.000 Right.

02:00:11.000 You know, and I think his whole thing about taking a month off was like health, behind-the-scenes stuff, life stuff.

02:00:17.000 Debating Laura, yeah. 0.70

02:00:18.000 Yeah, not traveling to DC to debate someone in the most intense debate you can imagine.

02:00:23.000 Yo, I don't know.

02:00:25.000 He'll come back on the grid after this and be like, didn't even get the invite.

02:00:29.000 I think what'll happen is most of the DeSantis people we reach out to will refuse to do it because it's Laura Loomer.

02:00:36.000 As soon as you announced who it was, I was like, oh, there are a bunch of people who are like, no thank you.

02:00:36.000 Yeah.

02:00:40.000 And they're gonna go running.

02:00:40.000 I'm out.

02:00:40.000 Later.

02:00:41.000 There's gotta be people that would love to do it because it's Laura Loomer too.

02:00:45.000 Hopefully, yeah.

02:00:46.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:00:47.000 But the thing is, Laura's going to have an encyclopedic knowledge of things.

02:00:54.000 I mean, she's like looking into the high school records of the donors.

02:00:57.000 She's going to be so intense.

02:00:58.000 It's going to be so fun.

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02:01:46.000 Are you sending it to people for, like, reviews and stuff?

02:01:47.000 Yeah.

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02:02:14.000 X marks the spot.

02:02:16.000 I've been waiting all night, all day.

02:02:18.000 Yeah, get it out.

02:02:20.000 Work it out.

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02:02:24.000 I'm happy to see you, Liz.

02:02:25.000 Happy that you guys are listening and being a part of this wild freaking ride, man.

02:02:30.000 What a time to be alive.

02:02:31.000 I'm glad we got the internet because it's cool to document it as we go.

02:02:34.000 See you later.

02:02:35.000 Indeed.

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02:02:41.000 It's better to say argue there than on X. It sounds weird to say let's argue on X. Just, I don't know.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - August 03, 2023

Timcast IRL - Trump Pleads Not Guilty To Conspiracy Charges, Could Be REMANDED w-Liz Wheeler

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