Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Trump SUSPENDED, Woman Died, CNN Declares Insurrection In DC w- Jack Murphy

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:42.000 I don't know what you would call what happened today, but I'll tell you

00:00:46.000 I have a lot of people saying that I predicted it, or that I somehow... Oh, we got this video started playing already.

00:00:55.000 We got a video we gotta talk about, but okay, let me start over.

00:00:57.000 I don't know what you would call it, but I can tell you that yesterday, and even this morning, I said I didn't think anything was gonna happen.

00:01:03.000 I showed a clip where people are sharing this photo on Twitter of the March for Our Lives, and I said, look how the left mobilizes.

00:01:11.000 Look at these massive numbers.

00:01:12.000 And then I showed a clip, an image from the rally earlier today, and I said the numbers are nowhere near comparable.

00:01:20.000 You know, so Trump supporters certainly have come out, but I don't think, you know, we'll see anything crazy.

00:01:24.000 And boy, was I wrong.

00:01:26.000 A group of Trump supporters made their way inside the Capitol building.

00:01:31.000 Windows got smashed out.

00:01:32.000 They breached it.

00:01:33.000 Tear gas was fired in the rotunda.

00:01:35.000 This is some of the craziest things I've ever seen.

00:01:38.000 I know a lot of people are trying to compare this to when Brett Kavanaugh was being confirmed

00:01:42.000 in the protesters at the atrium of the Senate building.

00:01:44.000 This is not comparable.

00:01:46.000 This is an electoral college vote count and some dude with Viking horns took the vice

00:01:51.000 president's seat in the Senate and like yelled and some guy was stealing the podium.

00:01:57.000 This was really, really crazy stuff.

00:01:58.000 But worst of all of it, a woman has been killed.

00:02:03.000 And I watched this video, I don't know if you've seen it, but there is a door to the main chamber of, I think it was the congressional main chamber, the House, and there's a barricade put in front of it, and there's a bunch of Capitol security with their guns trained in the door.

00:02:19.000 One of those is what we believe to have happened, shot through the door blindly at a bunch of Individuals and there was a woman who was not at the door, but just standing behind some people and she took the shot to the neck and You could see it man if you watch the video if you have experience with combat I think most people realized it because the moment I saw that I said she's gone

00:02:42.000 And they reported it as critical condition, but I was like, nah, she's gone.

00:02:45.000 And then it was a few hours later, they announced officially that she passed away.

00:02:48.000 So this is some of the, this is intense stuff, man.

00:02:51.000 They just shot through that door and now she's dead.

00:02:53.000 Now we're seeing CNN's calling it insurrection.

00:02:56.000 They said, this is an insurrection.

00:02:57.000 Trump encouraged it.

00:02:59.000 Trump then tweeted something out that I wouldn't necessarily say was direct support, but boy, did it feel kind of like it.

00:03:05.000 When he was like, remember this day, go home and be peaceful.

00:03:08.000 The election was stolen.

00:03:09.000 I was just like, dude.

00:03:11.000 I don't know what you call it, man.

00:03:12.000 And I don't know what many of these people expect, because right now you've got, I think, it's Cori Bush.

00:03:16.000 I'm not sure.

00:03:16.000 I don't want to drag the wrong person.

00:03:19.000 But they're calling for the expulsion of Republicans who are supporting Trump.

00:03:23.000 Rand Paul has now said that they're going to go in.

00:03:26.000 There will be no objections.

00:03:27.000 Joe Biden is going to be certified, especially after this.

00:03:29.000 So, I don't want to just go through everything before we even get started.

00:03:32.000 We've got a bunch of really great people here.

00:03:35.000 Of course, we have the usual crew.

00:03:36.000 We've got Luke Rutkowski.

00:03:37.000 Yep, today was a crazy day.

00:03:39.000 It's only going to get crazier from here.

00:03:41.000 I was breaking it all down on twitter.com forward slash Luke we are change.

00:03:45.000 I got there's crazy developments.

00:03:47.000 I mean, CPAC's Matt Schlapp just came out and said, quote, I understand there's a 16 year old woman who was shot 16.

00:03:54.000 Now he goes on now maybe she was doing terrible things and deserved to be shot.

00:04:00.000 We're in the party that talks about law and order and respecting cops.

00:04:04.000 He said that on Fox News just now.

00:04:06.000 A 16-year-old.

00:04:07.000 And he said, according to him, the woman that was shot and killed, the unarmed woman that was shot and killed, was a 16-year-old girl.

00:04:13.000 So that's the breaking news coming in now that I just had to get into immediately.

00:04:16.000 They found pipe bombs.

00:04:17.000 At the RNC and DNC.

00:04:19.000 More than one.

00:04:20.000 And they detonated them.

00:04:21.000 So Ian's hanging out.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:23.000 Um, Elijah Schaeffer apparently was posting evidence that there's Antifa there posing as Trump supporters.

00:04:29.000 Hard to prove.

00:04:30.000 I saw the picture, though, and it was definitely... No, I don't know what you saw, but I do know that there's some stuff going around that is not true.

00:04:36.000 It was Cori Bush, by the way, who wants to expel a bunch of Republican...

00:04:41.000 There's an image going around that says Philly Antifa, and it's a picture of some guys.

00:04:45.000 That video is not of, it's from Philly Antifa.

00:04:49.000 And people think it shows the guys who were there were Antifa.

00:04:51.000 It's not true.

00:04:52.000 But Jack Murphy's here.

00:04:53.000 What's up, everybody?

00:04:54.000 Good to see you, Tim.

00:04:55.000 Good to be back.

00:04:56.000 Hello.

00:04:56.000 Hi, Jack.

00:04:57.000 Ian, how are you?

00:04:58.000 Great to see you.

00:04:58.000 Lydia, everybody.

00:04:59.000 Crazy day in D.C.

00:05:01.000 I was there for a good part of it.

00:05:02.000 I saw the speech pretty much front row center.

00:05:05.000 I saw people as far as I could see all the way back from the Ellipse, all the way through the park, across Constitution, up the hill towards Washington Monument.

00:05:13.000 There was just a tremendous amount of people there.

00:05:15.000 Spirits were very high.

00:05:16.000 Energy was high.

00:05:18.000 Positive at first, and then afterwards it started to get a little bit weird, man.

00:05:22.000 I saw some things I hadn't seen in DC.

00:05:24.000 How many people do you think were there in total?

00:05:25.000 You know, I'm not really great at that, but my guess would be a couple hundred thousand.

00:05:30.000 Really?

00:05:31.000 Yeah.

00:05:31.000 A couple hundred thousand?

00:05:32.000 I mean, the whole ellipse was completely filled.

00:05:35.000 Wow.

00:05:35.000 And then the streets, and then the whole section back behind it, but to the Washington Monument.

00:05:38.000 Well, compare this to some of the left-wing protest riots you've been to.

00:05:42.000 You'd think a hundred thousand.

00:05:43.000 I think it was more in mass than I had seen throughout the summer.

00:05:49.000 I mean there was a lot of people at those protests this summer, but this was just everywhere.

00:05:53.000 Then all the way down Pennsylvania Avenue and Constitution and up to the Capitol.

00:05:57.000 But it's good to be back.

00:05:58.000 Bigger than December?

00:05:59.000 Bigger than December.

00:06:01.000 About the same.

00:06:01.000 Yeah, it was a lot of people.

00:06:02.000 It was a lot of people.

00:06:04.000 Last month, the left was saying, barely mustering 100,000, and the right was saying 200,000.

00:06:09.000 So I'm like, all right, well, somewhere in the middle, right?

00:06:12.000 If the left is criticizing him saying it was a million, you know, MAGA march and only 100,000 showed up, all right, 100,000.

00:06:18.000 A million men didn't come to the million man march either.

00:06:19.000 Right, right, right.

00:06:21.000 My friends, if you have not already, smash the like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell.

00:06:25.000 We got so much to go through and there's a lot of philosophical discussions that are going to happen right now.

00:06:29.000 And the first thing I want to do is we got to talk about this young woman and we got to talk about, you know, Trump's been suspended.

00:06:34.000 There's just so much going on.

00:06:35.000 We'll just try to get through it.

00:06:37.000 But this is the most important story.

00:06:38.000 This is from WUSA9.

00:06:40.000 Woman shot inside U.S.

00:06:43.000 Capitol building during riot dies from injuries.

00:06:45.000 It is not known yet what exactly led to the shooting.

00:06:48.000 A photo shows law enforcement with guns drawn inside the locked down House chamber.

00:06:53.000 They say D.C.' 's Mayor Muriel Bowser and Police Chief Robert Conte III also confirmed that a person was shot inside the Capitol building but did not release much more details in the news conference at 5 p.m.

00:07:03.000 The behavior we are witnessing is shameful, unpatriotic, and above all, it is unlawful.

00:07:07.000 Anyone who engages in these activities, continues to engage in these activities, will be held accountable," said Bowser.

00:07:14.000 A lockdown was in place Wednesday afternoon for the U.S.

00:07:16.000 Capitol building, and it has been lifted, according to officials.

00:07:19.000 But there's still a curfew, right?

00:07:20.000 My understanding is there... It started at 6 p.m., earliest one I can remember.

00:07:23.000 Yeah, curfew, earliest.

00:07:24.000 6 p.m.

00:07:26.000 curfew, this is nuts.

00:07:27.000 On a weekday.

00:07:28.000 Yeah.

00:07:29.000 They say U.S.

00:07:29.000 Park Police, D.C.

00:07:30.000 Police, and National Guard troops have worked to move Trump supporters and rioters gathered at the steps of the U.S.

00:07:36.000 Capitol building to create a safety perimeter.

00:07:38.000 Tear gas and percussion grenades have been deployed by police around the U.S.

00:07:43.000 Capitol to move back rioters.

00:07:45.000 It is not known yet what exactly led to the woman being shot, but a photo from CBS News' Zach Hudak shows law enforcement with guns drawn inside the House chamber around 2.46 p.m.

00:07:54.000 after rioters broke into the U.S.

00:07:56.000 Capitol building.

00:07:57.000 U.S.

00:07:57.000 Capitol Police ordered the Capitol locked down around 2.30 p.m.

00:08:00.000 on Wednesday, and evacuations of two Capitol Campus buildings, the Library of Congress, James Madison Memorial Building, and the Cannon House Office Building, as protests raged at the Capitol complex.

00:08:11.000 Shortly after President Trump addressed his voters vowing never to concede the election in a speech on the Ellipse, large crowds of pro-Trump protesters marched to the U.S.

00:08:19.000 Capitol and squared off with Capitol Police.

00:08:22.000 Protesters broke through several barriers placed at the steps of the Capitol while the certification of Electoral College votes began inside.

00:08:28.000 And then as you all, as many of you probably already know if you don't, They suspended, they recessed the joint session of Congress.

00:08:34.000 Joe Manchin said that these thugs will not stop us from counting the votes, and that they're planning on going back in as soon as the buildings are secure.

00:08:44.000 There's blood on the ground, there's a woman who died, and they're gonna go back in and they're gonna finish.

00:08:49.000 In many places than one there's blood and my news team actually sent me the video of the shooting and before the shooting and it looks like people just milling around that of course you don't see who shot you don't see it in exact frame with this allegedly now we're getting information 16 year old girl that was there but you hear the shot and it's extremely graphic and you see the life literally leave her eyes so it's extremely intense and right now on Twitter there's many hashtags that are trending one of them is white privilege And a lot of people are saying, look how favorable these protesters were treated.

00:09:22.000 Right now, protesters are actually engaged with conflicts with the police there.

00:09:27.000 And a lot of left-leaning kind of thinkers in the mainstream media are saying, look, these protesters were treated favorably, but we have an unarmed 16-year-old girl shot and killed today.

00:09:39.000 That's something that's incredibly important.

00:09:41.000 something that needs to be investigated something that there needs to be justice behind it just like any death that leads to a police officer shooting something or doing something that that leads to an end of a life which is absolutely insane She was in the front, by the way.

00:09:56.000 No, she wasn't in the front.

00:09:57.000 She was standing, like, right at the door, and then she got hit and got knocked back onto the ground.

00:10:01.000 I didn't see that.

00:10:02.000 That's a video on Twitter.

00:10:03.000 I'm looking for it right now.

00:10:04.000 I'm gonna retweet it.

00:10:05.000 The video I saw, there's, like, one guy wearing a poofy jacket in the front, and one guy has, like, his hands up, and then he backs up against the wall.

00:10:12.000 Then someone walks in front of the camera, and the woman is further back.

00:10:16.000 I don't know.

00:10:16.000 Yeah, pull it up.

00:10:17.000 But...

00:10:20.000 All of Twitter about to become a cab.

00:10:22.000 You've been feeling it over the last few days anyway.

00:10:26.000 Sentiment has definitely been turning.

00:10:27.000 It's almost like an instantaneous network shift where the whole right network just was like all of a sudden blue lives, whatever, whatever.

00:10:38.000 I push back on that on my Twitter.

00:10:40.000 I mean, I support the police in DC.

00:10:41.000 They usually do a tremendous job on a very, very difficult, difficult.

00:10:45.000 Did you see the video of what happened today?

00:10:47.000 I did, but I don't have any other information.

00:10:49.000 And I also, has anybody matched up a shot of the police from the outside and the people on the inside?

00:10:55.000 Like a picture?

00:10:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:57.000 I think we've seen pictures of guns drawn inside the chamber.

00:11:01.000 And there's video of the people on the other side of the door as well.

00:11:03.000 There's video of the people pulling the trigger.

00:11:06.000 Nobody shot into the chamber.

00:11:08.000 I understand that.

00:11:09.000 They shot from inside the chamber into the hallway?

00:11:11.000 No one knows.

00:11:12.000 The video is, you saw the video, people are milling about and then you hear the shot.

00:11:16.000 Right, but where was that door leading?

00:11:17.000 That was my question.

00:11:18.000 Where's that door that they're looking at?

00:11:20.000 Into the main chamber where the guys have their guns pointed at the door.

00:11:23.000 There wasn't a rush.

00:11:25.000 There wasn't a fight.

00:11:25.000 There wasn't a conflict.

00:11:26.000 It's literally people milling about like they were even in an elevator.

00:11:30.000 So that's another thing to really consider.

00:11:32.000 Well, the window was broken, yeah.

00:11:33.000 Yeah, someone broke the window and then they barricaded the door.

00:11:35.000 It looked like there was a pause of action.

00:11:36.000 I want to say too, there's no confirmation yet that she was 16.

00:11:38.000 This is according to the CPAC that just released this information.

00:11:43.000 And there are some high-profile blue check individuals saying a 16-year-old girl died.

00:11:47.000 I think I saw Jack Posobiec, maybe somebody else, comparing the images from the officers with the guns drawn to the scene where the woman was shot and pointing out differences in the door and that it wasn't the same door.

00:12:00.000 Really?

00:12:00.000 And that it might have been somewhere else.

00:12:02.000 I can't confirm that.

00:12:03.000 It's just something I saw in passing.

00:12:03.000 I thought it looked the same.

00:12:04.000 Yeah.

00:12:05.000 Because the windows looked the same.

00:12:06.000 Yeah.

00:12:06.000 I could be wrong, though.

00:12:07.000 You know, whenever it comes to big breaking stories like this, details come out, usually get corrected later on.

00:12:13.000 And then people, I mean, it always happens.

00:12:14.000 But then people might say, but hold on.

00:12:16.000 On the day of, they reported this, that, and this.

00:12:18.000 And then it changes.

00:12:19.000 Like, well, we... In this case, though, no relevant detail is going to change except for the fact that The story will be MAGA, fascists, storm the Capitol, girl gets killed, attack police, insurrection, etc, etc.

00:12:33.000 Well, watching CNN before this broadcast, they were trying to kind of obfuscate that and make it not a big deal.

00:12:38.000 They were more, they were more talking about, look, the members of Congress were terrified and they were focusing in on that.

00:12:44.000 And then they kind of mentioned in passing, there was also a protester shot and killed.

00:12:48.000 In other news, in other news, look how, and then it was just, Extremely eye-opening to see CNN the network that just a ... few weeks ago was telling you on national television that ... protests are not supposed to be peaceful literally lose their ... ish today talking about insurgencies terrorists and ... this extremely warfaric kind of language.

00:13:09.000 trying to deem what they saw today as the worst possible thing in the world. Now again, it wasn't

00:13:13.000 nice, it wasn't good. Obviously, there was a lot of turmoil, obviously there was a lot of chaos,

00:13:18.000 there's a lot of confusion. We're still finding out exactly what happened about this event.

00:13:21.000 But this is the same network again. During the summer, when similar events were happening

00:13:26.000 all throughout the country, they were supporting it and cheering it on.

00:13:29.000 Yeah, let me show you. Let's swap this photo real quick.

00:13:32.000 This is from, I just pulled it up on Google Images from today.

00:13:35.000 And this is members of, I believe this is members of Congress being given gas masks.

00:13:40.000 There are these like plastic bags you put over your head with a filtration system.

00:13:44.000 I think one of the craziest things I have ever heard in my life.

00:13:47.000 Tear gas fired in the rotunda.

00:13:50.000 Tell you, man, I mentioned mustard gas yesterday.

00:13:51.000 I was kind of half-joking, but it can get super extreme when chaos strikes.

00:13:56.000 Well, listen, listen.

00:13:57.000 When you fire tear gas indoors, people die.

00:14:00.000 It displaces oxygen.

00:14:02.000 I have seen people... It catches on fire, too.

00:14:03.000 And when you're jammed together in a crowd, you're basically indoors.

00:14:06.000 Like in Waco.

00:14:07.000 Well, no.

00:14:07.000 In crowds, the air clears quickly.

00:14:10.000 People disperse.

00:14:11.000 If you can disperse.

00:14:12.000 If you can't, though, it's a different story.

00:14:13.000 Sure, but in most... I don't know if you've ever been locked, shoulder-to-shoulder, pressed, and you can't move.

00:14:17.000 You're just being moved with the crowd.

00:14:18.000 So when I was in Turkey... Mardi Gras.

00:14:19.000 When I was in Turkey during the Gezi Park protests, There's Istiklal, which is this big corridor of shopping markets.

00:14:28.000 It's a big shopping street.

00:14:30.000 It's amazing, really.

00:14:31.000 And this is in Istanbul.

00:14:33.000 And when they start firing tear gas like crazy, you can't go anywhere.

00:14:37.000 You're in this corridor, and you're trying to run out, and the gas doesn't dissipate because the buildings are all by your side.

00:14:42.000 So that I get.

00:14:44.000 But when you're inside a building, you know what we ended up seeing?

00:14:46.000 People were running into parking garages, and then you're sealed in perfectly.

00:14:52.000 When the tear gas went in, people just started dropping to the ground because they're not breathing air anymore.

00:14:56.000 You're breathing in tear gas, you can't breathe.

00:14:59.000 Once it gets in your lungs, your lungs constrict, you struggle, and hit the ground.

00:15:02.000 And then people started running in with masks and pulling out bodies of unconscious people.

00:15:07.000 When they said they tear gassed the Rotunda, I was just like, dude, people are gonna die.

00:15:11.000 Now, I don't think anybody died from that.

00:15:14.000 We did see some people get carried out, but somebody died from taking a bullet.

00:15:19.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:15:20.000 Luke is wearing a very interesting t-shirt.

00:15:22.000 Well, I've been selling this t-shirt for about over a year now.

00:15:25.000 I've been talking about this for, I think, I can't even understand how long I've been talking about this, but I've been talking about this hyper-partisan, this hyper-sensationalism bullcrap that people call news, that again is just weaponized information meant so people fight each other, and now we're here at this crescendo, and I think this is only the beginning of a lot of more horrible things to come in my opinion.

00:15:47.000 Definitely.

00:15:48.000 So the shirt Luke is wearing, it's the guy poking meme, and he says, come on, do a civil war, and it's the donkey and the elephant.

00:15:55.000 And the guy is ABC, Fox, CBS, CNN.

00:15:57.000 The reason why this is important, let me show you this from CNN.

00:16:01.000 Trump caused this insurrection, and every Republican must condemn it.

00:16:06.000 They're calling it an insurrection on TV.

00:16:09.000 I hate when this happens.

00:16:11.000 Well, the former president, George W. Bush, also just released a very strong statement calling this an insurrection.

00:16:17.000 George W. Bush did?

00:16:18.000 Yes.

00:16:19.000 It's an insurrection.

00:16:20.000 That's what CNN has said.

00:16:22.000 Fox News is calling it a protest.

00:16:24.000 After they cleared out the Capitol, people were still pushing, they were still fighting, tear gas was still being deployed.

00:16:30.000 And when I see CNN going on TV and attacking, just blanket, blanket attacks, I'm like, they really don't get it, right?

00:16:40.000 They're absolutely trying their hardest to inflame tensions.

00:16:43.000 They don't care that what they do makes everything worse.

00:16:47.000 And you know what the best part is?

00:16:47.000 You know what I love the most?

00:16:49.000 I have these people who tweet at me saying like, you helped cause this Tim, like your videos, your content, and I'm like, you mean every single video where I've said violence doesn't work and it's bad for everybody who does it?

00:17:01.000 This is what's amazing, that we can have a show like this where we repeatedly say violence doesn't work.

00:17:05.000 Non-violent civil disobedience is one of the most effective things because we're in fifth generational warfare.

00:17:10.000 Maybe you can talk about violent revolution in the 1700s, but when it comes to today's day and age, it's all about perception and fifth generational warfare.

00:17:18.000 The problem is CNN.

00:17:20.000 What did, what did, uh, who was it?

00:17:21.000 Was it Cuomo?

00:17:22.000 Was it Cuomo who was like, and who says protests need to be peaceful?

00:17:26.000 Chris Cuomo said, who said protests need to be peaceful?

00:17:29.000 And that gave birth to ramen guy.

00:17:31.000 You guys remember ramen guy, right?

00:17:32.000 And he's eating the ramen.

00:17:33.000 He goes, it's right there in the first amendment, Mr. Cuomo.

00:17:36.000 Yes, it is.

00:17:37.000 Right.

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 Look, you just got to look it up.

00:17:39.000 Now what are they saying?

00:17:40.000 Oh, it's insurrection!

00:17:42.000 We knew these Trumpers would do it!

00:17:44.000 Well, I'll tell you, man, I have no idea what these people are thinking because they're not going to win anything.

00:17:48.000 This is going to be a big crackdown from the security state.

00:17:50.000 In May, they burned down the Guard Tower in the White House.

00:17:53.000 Again, we shouldn't really be comparing the two, but we should note that events are being manipulated.

00:17:59.000 Information is being hidden from you.

00:18:01.000 It's being editorialized to push an agenda, and that agenda is for you guys to fight each other.

00:18:05.000 Speaking of, the video of the girl standing up on the door, you retweeted it.

00:18:09.000 It was from...

00:18:10.000 She's on the door?

00:18:11.000 She's like standing like this on the door.

00:18:13.000 Yeah, she's right on the door and she gets hit and knocked back.

00:18:15.000 It got removed from Twitter.

00:18:16.000 Did they remove it?

00:18:17.000 Interesting.

00:18:18.000 Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

00:18:19.000 I can see it on my feed and then when I go to the...

00:18:21.000 I just retweeted it and it was removed.

00:18:23.000 Right.

00:18:24.000 This is why it's not the same.

00:18:26.000 This is why May is not the same.

00:18:28.000 This is why today was a mistake.

00:18:29.000 But I want to say, first off, that I understand.

00:18:31.000 I understand why people are upset.

00:18:32.000 I understand why they want to rage.

00:18:33.000 I understand why they feel like... I understand why Black Lives Matter wants to rage.

00:18:37.000 Totally.

00:18:37.000 I understand why they feel like this may be their last chance to have a republic, if this is the end.

00:18:41.000 If they have a clean sweep of the legislature and the presidency, it's going to be gone.

00:18:45.000 The rest of the country is going to be gone.

00:18:46.000 I understand why people would feel upset.

00:18:49.000 The difference is, is that the MAGA insurrection, the MAGA revolution, the MAGA network is not in alignment with the corporations.

00:18:58.000 It's not in alignment with the media.

00:19:00.000 And so when Black Lives Matter and Antifa are, so Black Lives Matter and Antifa, they can go do this exact kind of thing and get a favorable reaction to their tribe and still maintain their moral victory within their tribe.

00:19:11.000 We try to do it.

00:19:13.000 And it's instantly going to get shot down.

00:19:14.000 We have no media backing.

00:19:15.000 We've got no actual narrative backing on this and it's counterproductive and it's damaging to these people.

00:19:20.000 These people that ran into the Capitol prison, prison, this dude was running around with like the, the stand, you know, like the day or smiling at the camera.

00:19:29.000 And I was like, bro, you're going to prison.

00:19:31.000 For a long time.

00:19:32.000 Like prison.

00:19:33.000 And it was just today, an hour ago at the speech, Trump goes, and you know what?

00:19:37.000 We made it 10 years to mess with any of our federal monuments or buildings or whatever

00:19:41.000 the case.

00:19:42.000 So like 10 years, dude, you're going to prison.

00:19:43.000 10 years.

00:19:44.000 Yep.

00:19:45.000 10 years.

00:19:46.000 And so it's not going to work.

00:19:47.000 We have to have the right has to have a different strategy than the left.

00:19:51.000 And the left strategy means that the tactics they can use are things like have riots, burn down buildings, antagonize the police, do all these things because they get echoed and support from the corporations.

00:20:03.000 MAGA cannot do it because the net result is a negative.

00:20:06.000 It's not a positive.

00:20:07.000 Nothing was gained today.

00:20:09.000 Only things were lost today.

00:20:11.000 And the people who lost that girl lost her life.

00:20:14.000 Those people are going to lose their freedom. They're going to go to prison.

00:20:17.000 And we are all going to lose liberty come this new administration when they use this

00:20:21.000 as the new impetus for the double down triple extra hard Patriot Act.

00:20:25.000 That's coming right up your ass.

00:20:27.000 Well, Chuck Schumer is comparing what happened today to Pearl Harbor.

00:20:30.000 So yes, we're going to have a lot of politicians milking this cow until the cows come home.

00:20:38.000 Until the roosters come home, I think.

00:20:40.000 And I just want to finish this thought.

00:20:42.000 I've been catching a lot of grief on Twitter today because I've been recommending that people, women and children and noncombatants get out of D.C.

00:20:48.000 tonight because it's not safe.

00:20:49.000 I've been recommending that people stay out of trouble and stay out of harm's way and not commit violence and not commit crimes.

00:20:54.000 Why?

00:20:55.000 Because it's not the right tactic today.

00:20:57.000 All it's going to do is do harm to you.

00:20:59.000 There has to be other strategies.

00:21:01.000 We're working on them.

00:21:02.000 I'm personally working on them.

00:21:03.000 We have networks of people working on it, but we can't mimic what the other side is doing because they have a completely different setup.

00:21:09.000 They have the high ground.

00:21:11.000 High ground or not.

00:21:12.000 They just have the corporations in the media and it all works together.

00:21:15.000 Here's an analogy.

00:21:16.000 Imagine you control the high ground.

00:21:18.000 So your strategy is to aim down and fire.

00:21:21.000 Yeah.

00:21:21.000 And imagine if then the Trump supporters all see them up on top of the hill pointing their guns down and go, we should point our guns down too!

00:21:26.000 Or if they're using the throwing rocks as a tactic.

00:21:30.000 If you have a high ground it works, but the people on the bottom can't use throwing rocks as a tactic because they can't get the rocks up there.

00:21:37.000 Guns are a little different.

00:21:39.000 Antifa and the leftists, like Jack said, have corporations on their side.

00:21:42.000 Trump supporters don't.

00:21:43.000 It's not a tactic you can use.

00:21:45.000 Using gravity, yeah.

00:21:46.000 We watched Black Lives Matter get record support after George Floyd, and then they lit it on fire when they rioted.

00:21:53.000 And I've made so many videos saying, this proves, this should be the proof to everybody, violence does not work.

00:21:59.000 Again, we can talk about the Boston Tea Party, we can talk about the 1700s.

00:22:03.000 But we are in the information age.

00:22:04.000 Fifth generational warfare is about manipulation, tactics, and propaganda.

00:22:08.000 And that means they'll find a picture of you, wipe in your butt, and be like, look what he's doing!

00:22:12.000 And they'll post it everywhere and act like it's the end of the world.

00:22:14.000 But Antifa can throw a brick at someone's face and they're gonna be like, it's a peaceful protest.

00:22:19.000 In fourth or fifth generation war, there are there are additional layers to the combat space that there wasn't before.

00:22:24.000 Besides being just physical, there's mental and moral.

00:22:27.000 And in our environment, the moral plane is one of the most important ones to win.

00:22:32.000 It's not about a moral victory.

00:22:33.000 And that's something that you get even though you lost.

00:22:36.000 It's not about keeping the moral high ground about taking some sort of highfalutin, you know, in your integrity in some regard.

00:22:43.000 It's about just winning the moral war, as in having the support of the people, as in having the people on your side, as in leading people, and not pushing people away.

00:22:53.000 Storming the Capitol is going to push away people who you need the support of.

00:22:57.000 I'll stop where I was going to say.

00:23:01.000 I'm going to say this.

00:23:02.000 The cops are on video opening up the barricades.

00:23:05.000 I saw that.

00:23:05.000 I saw that. And a lot of people are saying, no, no, no, that was different. That was different.

00:23:10.000 That wasn't the same moment as when they were pushing on the cops and shaking the barricades

00:23:13.000 and pulling them down. But it was a moment where the police opened up the barricades and then you

00:23:18.000 hear people yelling, they're just letting them into the Capitol. They're opening up the Capitol

00:23:22.000 building to these people like they're they're at the Capitol building when they did this.

00:23:26.000 There's there's a video, a photo going around of CBP and like locking down. And like, they're like,

00:23:32.000 we are we are we are sending out CBP officers to guard the Capitol while these protests and

00:23:37.000 riots are going on.

00:23:38.000 So a lot of people are asking why is it that this time when we knew Trump was saying.

00:23:43.000 Come on down.

00:23:43.000 It'll be wild.

00:23:44.000 We knew that the media kept saying over and over again, Trump is instigating violence.

00:23:49.000 And I laughed.

00:23:49.000 I was like, Trump said, come bro to do anything.

00:23:52.000 You're calling it instigating.

00:23:53.000 And then the police weren't there with enough force or presence to do anything to stop this, let alone them opening up the barricades.

00:24:00.000 It's I mean, it's better than down the crowd.

00:24:03.000 No, no, no, listen.

00:24:04.000 When the Black Lives Matter people were there, they had riot police with shields lining the streets.

00:24:11.000 This time, they had a couple of cops with batons.

00:24:13.000 Why was that?

00:24:13.000 Why do you think they let them in?

00:24:14.000 I have no idea.

00:24:16.000 I don't know.

00:24:17.000 There's a number of different access points to the Capitol grounds.

00:24:19.000 That was just one of them.

00:24:21.000 There are people scaling walls.

00:24:22.000 There was another time I saw them fighting for the gates.

00:24:25.000 I mean, I have no idea what happened there.

00:24:27.000 I'm going to try to find out.

00:24:28.000 Also, another thing that I think really people need to kind of think about here.

00:24:32.000 Why are people surprised when the establishment, the mainstream media, the corporations, politicians codified and normalized violence as a way to get political power just a few weeks ago?

00:24:42.000 This is something that's becoming the new norm.

00:24:43.000 We've been calling it out no matter who does it.

00:24:46.000 And people are, of course, making arguments saying, if they did it, we could do it too.

00:24:49.000 And again, that's not a good logic.

00:24:51.000 Is it the new norm?

00:24:52.000 It's the old norm.

00:24:54.000 It's the norm norm.

00:24:55.000 It's the norm norm.

00:24:56.000 I mean, has it been this prevalent as of late?

00:25:00.000 I mean, we could make historical arguments, sure, but as of late, I think that's something that's important.

00:25:06.000 Was it just a few weeks ago?

00:25:07.000 Well, specifically when we were talking about, you know, Black Lives Matter.

00:25:11.000 Let's bring them up here in this specific context.

00:25:13.000 They got billions of dollars.

00:25:14.000 They got institutional support.

00:25:16.000 They had major corporations, major politicians supporting them after committing violent acts.

00:25:22.000 We'll talk about the differences here.

00:25:23.000 Literally paid.

00:25:25.000 So the first thing is, these are Trump supporters who shut down and breached the Electoral College vote count for the presidency.

00:25:32.000 That's serious.

00:25:33.000 Yeah.

00:25:33.000 But it was one time, and it was I think 300 people they estimated.

00:25:37.000 Black Lives Matter was what, three weeks of nationwide riots, over $2 billion in damage.

00:25:44.000 30 people dead or something?

00:25:45.000 30-plus people died in the riots, not all from rioters, but in riots and fires and things like that.

00:25:50.000 They were underreported and confiscated, even by the reporting by Michael Tracy, who went out there and covered that the damage was far bigger than we even knew about it.

00:25:57.000 And then, how much money did Black Lives Matter bring in?

00:25:59.000 $10 billion.

00:26:02.000 They were given money.

00:26:04.000 What lesson does that teach the average person out there who's paying attention?

00:26:08.000 What lesson does that kind of show?

00:26:10.000 What works to the average person?

00:26:11.000 Destroying private property is okay, but if you mess with government property, it's not okay.

00:26:16.000 Right, it should be the other way around.

00:26:18.000 Exactly.

00:26:19.000 That's it. Well, and then and you know, you said that that the the left lit the goodwill on fire

00:26:24.000 that they gained through the protests earlier this year. I think that that's not entirely true.

00:26:29.000 As I was downtown, I noted I every time I looked up, each building had a giant Black Lives Matter

00:26:36.000 banner on it. The churches have them covering it, you know, the it's it's everywhere. They

00:26:41.000 It's like they won.

00:26:43.000 They won in D.C.

00:26:44.000 That's for sure.

00:26:45.000 Black Lives Matter has not extinguished any of its support.

00:26:48.000 It has not burned through that capital that it earned aside from the $10 billion.

00:26:53.000 And if you can't take any lesson at all, it's like you do that.

00:26:56.000 But that's the problem.

00:26:57.000 They were baited.

00:26:57.000 We were baited into behaving like Antifa and Black Lives Matter when we cannot.

00:27:01.000 It is counterproductive to our strategy.

00:27:03.000 Let me back this up.

00:27:04.000 That's correct, yes.

00:27:05.000 I think you're right that people do generally support Black Lives Matter.

00:27:08.000 But I have a graph here that I want people to see, which I've shown before.

00:27:11.000 It's from Civics.

00:27:12.000 Black Lives Matter registered voters, do you support or oppose the Black Lives Matter movement?

00:27:17.000 Right after the George Floyd incident, net support for Black Lives... I'm sorry, right before George Floyd lost his life, net support for Black Lives Matter was at 18%.

00:27:25.000 So that means like above the margin, like above 50%.

00:27:30.000 When the protests spiked, 24% net support, and the riots started.

00:27:36.000 Before, remember, before George Floyd, Black Lives Matter enjoyed 18%, the riots hit and it dropped from 24 all the way down to 8% where it currently sits right now, 8%.

00:27:48.000 They had 18, they lost 10% of their net support in this country by rioting, and it has not come back.

00:27:55.000 So they do enjoy general support on average in this country, but there was a point where even conservatives were like, I understand this George Floyd thing was really bad.

00:28:05.000 Then they went and burned down mom and pop shops.

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:06.000 It's not like the Morgan network went into this scene at the Capitol building with credit, goodwill credit in the bank.

00:28:12.000 Exactly.

00:28:12.000 They already went in negative.

00:28:14.000 Oh, and money on the run from the debtor creditors trying to chase them down.

00:28:18.000 And then they go and then they, they, they just chop their face off, man.

00:28:22.000 But you know, so the editor.

00:28:23.000 That I replayed her you put that down with cop chop chop But they're saying that

00:28:33.000 One of these guys like a really well-known Q conspiracy guy like the Viking guy has been seen at events holding up

00:28:39.000 signs for Q Some people are trying to claim these black lives matter

00:28:42.000 and well, he may have been at an event But they cropped out there's a photo I see going around and

00:28:47.000 you can't see what the sign says It's cropped out.

00:28:49.000 Q sent me.

00:28:50.000 Yes, I think it pretty much says that.

00:28:52.000 Literally, it says, Q sent me.

00:28:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:54.000 That's a sign that he has there.

00:28:55.000 There's a meme of him now and it has that famous picture and it says, when you ordered the village people from Wish, and then it's a picture of him and all the other people standing in the background there.

00:29:05.000 But again, a lot of disinformation, a lot of people just manipulating facts, editorializing so they could push a certain agenda.

00:29:10.000 And when we just stop looking at these agendas, we see a very, very, very bad picture.

00:29:15.000 of more fuel on the fire and that's exactly what's happening with all the reporting supposedly that's going on today with again just trying to get as much disinformation trying to get as much propaganda trying to brainwash people to make you understand that guy's going to hurt you you need to fight him at all costs and now we're here at this stage and we're not going to be going away anytime soon because the algorithms that incentivize it the mainstream media that spews it the politicians who allow it They're the ones who are still sadly at the helms that are going to be expanding it and pushing this to a level that it's going to become more and more unlivable and more and more apparent.

00:29:51.000 Whatever the conditions were that launched Trump into presidency in 2016 are today now going to get much worse than they were in 2015.

00:30:00.000 It's going to be worse than the last term of the Obama presidency.

00:30:04.000 They've got more money.

00:30:04.000 They're better established.

00:30:05.000 They've taken over more institutions.

00:30:07.000 It's more in our schools.

00:30:08.000 It's more in our kids.

00:30:09.000 Our kids are just reciting things without even understanding it.

00:30:13.000 So if you didn't like the way things were before, I have a feeling you're not going to like them very much in the next three years.

00:30:18.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I have an important update.

00:30:20.000 I just got a notification.

00:30:21.000 Google has disabled chat on this stream.

00:30:23.000 Why's that?

00:30:24.000 For obvious reasons.

00:30:26.000 Get out of town chat has been disabled.

00:30:27.000 So no more chat for the people who are watching but they're allowing the stream to continue because I guess I guess because our Conversation is is calm and reasonable and you know, we're very much very anti-violence chats saying stuff.

00:30:38.000 We're not even making any allegations We're just telling you what other people are saying chat has been disabled for things that people are saying they can't control and we can't moderate Wow, so they're shutting it down Wow, okay.

00:30:47.000 Welcome to whatever is coming next.

00:30:49.000 Oh I got no idea.

00:30:51.000 We're watching it in action.

00:30:52.000 But I just got contacted by Google right now.

00:30:55.000 We noticed that chat wasn't working.

00:30:58.000 Okay.

00:31:00.000 We're making arguments against radicalization.

00:31:03.000 No, no, no.

00:31:03.000 It's not on us.

00:31:04.000 The stream's okay.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, the chat can get spicy.

00:31:07.000 Yeah, but you still get punished because, again, people come to engage.

00:31:11.000 People want to have those conversations and they can't right now.

00:31:14.000 I'd love to read the chat.

00:31:16.000 Well, what better segue than to talk about what's going on with Trump and Twitter.

00:31:21.000 And let me tell you right now.

00:31:23.000 So what I'm being told is that, for those that are just tuning in, chat has been disabled because people in comments are inciting violence, calling for more, and things like that.

00:31:35.000 And there's just too many comments.

00:31:36.000 I mean, we've got about 100,000 people who are live right now.

00:31:40.000 It's big.

00:31:41.000 A lot's going on.

00:31:42.000 So I'll say this.

00:31:45.000 Let me ask you guys your opinions, because I think it's a tough call when you have tons of people encouraging and inciting, especially at a time when things are so precarious.

00:31:53.000 And, you know, Google is basically saying, keep doing the stream.

00:31:56.000 It's not on you guys, but we can't control this.

00:31:59.000 How do you guys feel about this disabling?

00:32:00.000 Whenever you stop conversations from happening, you fuel bad conversations.

00:32:06.000 What's the saying?

00:32:06.000 If you want to defeat a bad idea, you defeat it with good ideas.

00:32:10.000 But by censoring it, you make it fester in the darkest, nastiest, ugliest elements of the internet that do exist and will continue to exist and will even persist even more once you censor that conversation from taking place.

00:32:22.000 Yes, yes.

00:32:23.000 But there's a difference between saying bad opinions and inciting violence.

00:32:27.000 Well, if someone's docking someone or saying, well, obviously those individuals should be obviously dealt with, with the first amendment and the law, like we have on the books right now.

00:32:39.000 Of course, that's something that that's has been followed.

00:32:42.000 And that's nothing different.

00:32:43.000 I understand.

00:32:43.000 I'm just saying in this capacity, I am 100% against inciting violence.

00:32:46.000 Yeah.

00:32:47.000 Exactly.

00:32:48.000 I always say this free speech stops.

00:32:50.000 We start directing people to commit crimes and hurt others.

00:32:52.000 YouTube is saying right now that too many people in the chat are saying that.

00:32:56.000 As a moderator from Minds, I think that they did the right thing because it's illegal to incite violence.

00:33:01.000 And if they leave an incitement of violence on their platform, they become liable.

00:33:04.000 Deal with those individuals though.

00:33:05.000 Don't take down a whole conversation.

00:33:07.000 The problem with the live chat is you're right, but we have a hundred thousand people.

00:33:10.000 So what they'll do is they'll go on the comments later and they'll remove any violence incitements and they'll strike those accounts.

00:33:16.000 But it was just too much at once for them to, for any moderator or AI probably even to control.

00:33:21.000 I'll tell you guys what.

00:33:22.000 It's really, really simple.

00:33:23.000 Who wants to be the official Twitter chat question receiver?

00:33:27.000 I can do it.

00:33:28.000 I'll do it.

00:33:29.000 Everybody actually.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, right now at Sour Patch Lids.

00:33:33.000 You can follow at Sour Patch Lids and tweet at questions.

00:33:36.000 Oh, at JackMurphyLive.

00:33:38.000 There you go, at JackMurphyLive.

00:33:40.000 At LukeWeAreChange.

00:33:42.000 LukeWeAreChange.

00:33:43.000 Feel free to ask me anything and then we'll do the questions.

00:33:45.000 Just not me, because I don't check notifications.

00:33:48.000 I check mine for sure.

00:33:49.000 No kidding.

00:33:49.000 We'll use Twitter and in that capacity, Twitter is Look, if you break Twitter's rules, of course I'm one of the most free speech people when it comes to social media platforms, but I guess that's the best we can do for now.

00:34:02.000 So you guys, check your Twitter feeds.

00:34:04.000 We can do questions that way later on in the show, and we can have the chat.

00:34:06.000 You guys can tweet at us.

00:34:08.000 I already tweeted out, no chat for you, because we don't have chat anymore, you may have noticed.

00:34:13.000 So if you guys want to send me any questions you have or whatever on there, that would be good.

00:34:17.000 Sourpatchlets, at Sourpatchlets on Twitter.

00:34:19.000 Oh, we just invited, we just invited the TimCast IRL chat into my mentions.

00:34:27.000 Godspeed, Jack.

00:34:29.000 They're good people.

00:34:30.000 I welcome them.

00:34:31.000 I love them too.

00:34:32.000 They're a wild bunch.

00:34:36.000 What?

00:34:37.000 No, no, no, no.

00:34:40.000 Thank you.

00:34:41.000 Yeah, so here's the news from CNBC.

00:34:43.000 Twitter locks Trump's account following video addressing Washington rioters.

00:34:48.000 Twitter said on Wednesday it would lock the account of the president for 12 hours after he posted tweets continuing to make false claims about the election.

00:34:54.000 Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter on Wednesday removed a video by President Donald Trump addressing Washington rioters.

00:35:00.000 Meanwhile, calls are mounting for Twitter and Facebook to suspend Trump's accounts.

00:35:05.000 So I don't know if they have the I don't think they're going to show what Trump said.

00:35:09.000 Uh, so I guess I can, we can only sort of allude to it because it's been banned from everywhere, which is really dangerous in my opinion.

00:35:14.000 Is this that one tweet that got taken down?

00:35:16.000 Two tweets.

00:35:17.000 And then he's, he's, he's banned from using the account for, for 12 hours.

00:35:21.000 I watched the video and in the video he says, okay guys, go home.

00:35:24.000 He's, he's urging his supporters to, to leave the Capitol.

00:35:28.000 So those are important videos that I think, you know, maybe some people should See, I don't think censoring it is going to help anything.

00:35:35.000 I think that's a bad idea, but one of the tweets that got removed was him saying, or it was a post on Facebook as well, he said, you know, this is what happens when there's a landslide and it's stolen.

00:35:45.000 Never, go home and in peace, never forget this day.

00:35:47.000 Yeah, it says, when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long.

00:35:56.000 Oh my goodness.

00:35:57.000 Ceremony, what was?

00:36:00.000 How was that even a landslide?

00:36:01.000 He's just such a blowhard.

00:36:03.000 I don't like that guy, man.

00:36:05.000 I don't like the way he governs.

00:36:08.000 So they removed it.

00:36:08.000 That was wrong.

00:36:10.000 I wouldn't remove that.

00:36:11.000 What they have done is, there's a fire going on right now.

00:36:14.000 And it's bigger and more dangerous than we've ever seen.

00:36:16.000 To the point where YouTube has literally disabled our comments.

00:36:19.000 And they come out and they say, guys, we're gonna help put this fire out.

00:36:23.000 and they like their flamethrowers and they spray fire all over everything.

00:36:27.000 Put out fire with fire.

00:36:28.000 And they tell you they're making it, I mean they're making it worse, but they tell you

00:36:31.000 they're putting the fire out while they spray.

00:36:32.000 It's firemen coming out like in Fahrenheit 451 with flamethrowers saying we're the firemen.

00:36:37.000 You can't extinguish fire with fire.

00:36:38.000 Why didn't they do the same to CNN, that spewing hyperbolic nonsense?

00:36:42.000 Are they going to do the same to the mainstream media because it's only fair if they do it

00:36:45.000 to them now?

00:36:47.000 And then again, we have to look here.

00:36:48.000 CNN openly told people protests are not supposed to be peaceful.

00:36:52.000 They're the ones that were inciting violence not so long ago.

00:36:56.000 And I mean, we're here actually having a conversation trying to break down what's happening and why it's happening.

00:37:02.000 And I think understanding a problem leads us towards fixing it.

00:37:06.000 But censoring conversations, censoring dialogue, censoring speech, it's only going to create a worse problem in my opinion.

00:37:12.000 That's what I personally think.

00:37:13.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:37:14.000 There is a value to censoring.

00:37:17.000 Okay, the word censor just means to be the gatekeeper.

00:37:20.000 So you can censor something and allow it to exist, and censor something and take it down.

00:37:24.000 It's your choice.

00:37:25.000 You are the censor.

00:37:26.000 You're just taking information.

00:37:28.000 That's the censorship.

00:37:29.000 Frozen cons, yes.

00:37:30.000 There's a benefit to censorship.

00:37:32.000 It's just we believe in liberty and I think, if you go by the root definition of the word, removing someone who has an opinion which would incite violence would be censorship to a certain degree, but we accept these limits.

00:37:42.000 And if it's not illegal, then we accept it.

00:37:44.000 If it's illegal, then we have to censor it.

00:37:47.000 We're supposed to, anyway.

00:37:48.000 On the margin, somehow, banning Trump from his Twitter at this point in time is going to increase agitation among the people who are already agitated, yeah?

00:37:57.000 Do you think that that was the intended consequence or accidental byproduct of the Twitter action?

00:38:03.000 I think it's accidental.

00:38:05.000 I think these people are really, really, really dumb.

00:38:09.000 It's what I refer to as a Chinese finger trap problem.

00:38:11.000 Everyone's seen those little toys.

00:38:13.000 You put your fingers in, you pull, and it gets tighter the harder you pull, and that's what they're doing.

00:38:16.000 They don't realize that a lot of the anger we're seeing is because of this.

00:38:21.000 And so at one of the worst possible moments, they said, let's really remind each and every one of these people who is losing their mind how much we hate them.

00:38:31.000 That's the message being sent out.

00:38:33.000 And it's terrifying.

00:38:34.000 This is the wrong move for everybody.

00:38:37.000 And that's what really freaks me out.

00:38:38.000 When CNN on the TV, I cannot believe what I was hearing.

00:38:41.000 They said it's insurrection in DC and all this stuff.

00:38:43.000 And I'm like, you guys are throwing kerosene into the fire pit.

00:38:48.000 They don't care.

00:38:49.000 They know that they can continue to just keep doing this to make things worse.

00:38:55.000 If it bleeds, it leads, they say in media.

00:38:57.000 Indeed.

00:38:57.000 But, you know, from their perspective, it does feel like an insurgency to them.

00:39:01.000 An insurrection.

00:39:02.000 It feels like it to them.

00:39:04.000 I think that they truly believe it, and that when they say that, that is an honest statement in congruency with their inner self.

00:39:11.000 Like, that's what they feel, how they see the world, and they feel like they're telling the truth.

00:39:15.000 And I believe, to the extent that it's possible, that that's an honest statement coming from them.

00:39:20.000 But how would that be?

00:39:21.000 How do you think they would see that as an insurrection?

00:39:24.000 Because it feels like it because they think Trump is a fascist because they think that we're all fascists and because they think that there was people going to take over the Capitol with armed weapons or burn it down, disrupt constitutional processes.

00:39:35.000 Look guys, they disrupted the moment that the left has been just begging for and dying for ever since November of 2015.

00:39:45.000 This was the moment.

00:39:48.000 And it was disrupted.

00:39:49.000 So, of course, it feels like an insurrection to them.

00:39:52.000 Of course, it feels like it quite literally was a disruption of a constitutional process that was going to lead to their president that they wanted to have.

00:40:00.000 How else would you view it if you were them?

00:40:04.000 Well, that's sorry, guys.

00:40:08.000 That shows that CNN doesn't view half of this country as legitimate.

00:40:14.000 I thought we were beyond talking about that.

00:40:16.000 That's taken.

00:40:18.000 But I think you're right, and I think it's exactly my point.

00:40:22.000 Our points are the same.

00:40:24.000 They did storm the Capitol and install a Viking on the throne.

00:40:27.000 They have a right to feel that way, but when you look at the actual kind of events, it's disorganized.

00:40:32.000 It's chaos.

00:40:33.000 Any kind of unified plan or action by the vice president or the president, you have the vice president coming out, you have the president come in and saying legitimately, hey guys, it's important that we bring everyone back home, you know, protect the police officers, back the blue.

00:40:47.000 That's literally the messaging happening in there.

00:40:49.000 Nothing was really, it doesn't seem like it from my own personal experiences, like nothing was really planned and organized here.

00:40:55.000 It's just no, it seems like it's it's something that happened from the utter chaos that has been building and spewing and they've been trying to keep under and the more they try to keep it under the more kind of pop.

00:41:05.000 I let me tell you continue to pop up with these kind of activities.

00:41:08.000 Here is someone that deserves the blame.

00:41:11.000 Sydney Powell.

00:41:13.000 That crackin' shit.

00:41:15.000 Lin Wood.

00:41:16.000 These people and Q, these people and these networks and that thing, they pump people full of false hope.

00:41:23.000 They riled people up and they promised them that something was coming.

00:41:27.000 But it's just been getting crazier and crazier and crazier.

00:41:29.000 I mean, come on, Lin Wood tweeting that Mike Pence needs to be removed and charged with treason?

00:41:34.000 He may be having a psychotic breakdown or something.

00:41:37.000 20,000 retweets, not a ratio.

00:41:38.000 People were pushing this and supporting this.

00:41:41.000 Well, yeah, of all the tweets that they should have been censoring, it should have been those.

00:41:46.000 They should have censored him and been like, go talk to your therapist, right?

00:41:49.000 Like people in an obvious mental breakdown, they should block those people.

00:41:52.000 But seriously... I don't think so.

00:41:54.000 I don't think he should have been banned.

00:41:56.000 I'm being tongue-in-cheek.

00:41:58.000 This is not my official courtroom position on that matter.

00:42:01.000 We're just talking a little ish on that.

00:42:03.000 But it's an important point to bring up.

00:42:05.000 Lin Wood was saying crazy stuff.

00:42:07.000 And it should be a reminder to everybody, like, don't listen.

00:42:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:12.000 Like, this is why this guy is not trustworthy.

00:42:14.000 And I'm seeing tons of Trump supporters being like, dude, this guy's losing it.

00:42:18.000 What happened?

00:42:19.000 You know, he's having a break or something.

00:42:20.000 But you know, even from people that I thought were savvy, whatever, I get these messages, trust the plan.

00:42:24.000 Well, you don't know what's going to happen in Georgia and just wait till the 6th and oh my God, this is going to happen.

00:42:28.000 These people were waiting for something, and you know what?

00:42:31.000 Trump was there.

00:42:31.000 I think that they thought, maybe, that Trump was going to make this speech on the Ellipse, was going to lay it all out finally.

00:42:39.000 Was the finally the trust- There's no plan.

00:42:41.000 I know.

00:42:43.000 The trust the plan moment was this was supposed to be their climax, I think.

00:42:47.000 And then they were let down.

00:42:49.000 This is the first comment that I got from people coming in and asking questions and comments.

00:42:54.000 And one of them says, what are people supposed to do when they lose their voice and the courts

00:42:57.000 are scared or unwilling to see or hear the problem?

00:43:01.000 That's the point of view from- Nonviolent civil disobedience.

00:43:04.000 Like I mentioned the other day, what would have happened if a bunch of Trump supporters

00:43:07.000 were just standing in the roads and people couldn't get through?

00:43:10.000 Nonviolent civil disobedience.

00:43:12.000 And create a new network, create a new concept for people to rely on, like a new constitution.

00:43:17.000 It's fifth generational warfare, okay?

00:43:19.000 Not warfare in the sense of people fighting, it's in the battle for the mind, it's the battle for resources and for ideology.

00:43:25.000 And that means you win when you are moral, when you are principled, when you are persuasive.

00:43:31.000 Tim, I've been talking about these issues for the better part of two years now.

00:43:34.000 A lot of my podcasts with John Robb, we talk about fourth generation warfare inside the liminal order.

00:43:39.000 We study fourth generation warfare, how it impacts us, how we can use it in the world to manifest more of our values.

00:43:45.000 But Tim, I got to ask you a personal question.

00:43:48.000 Of all the times I've been on this show, like 10 times by now, I've never heard you use these phrases, 5th generational.

00:43:54.000 Well, did you have a guest on recently where you had an in-depth conversation about it?

00:43:57.000 No.

00:43:58.000 No?

00:43:58.000 No, no, no.

00:43:59.000 We were privately talking about it for weeks.

00:44:01.000 Yeah, I've been posting about 4th and 5th generational warfare for a year or two.

00:44:06.000 But you're absolutely right.

00:44:07.000 We're speaking the same exact language and it's a completely different battle space.

00:44:12.000 Like, trying to storm the Capitol makes no sense.

00:44:15.000 It has no place in a war that's fought on a moral and mental dimension.

00:44:21.000 Think about this.

00:44:21.000 Think about, what do you do inside the Capitol?

00:44:24.000 Like, what did anyone think would happen?

00:44:26.000 You go in and you have no institutional power or control or confidence.

00:44:32.000 One thing I've been saying a whole lot, the purpose of fifth generational warfare, which more has to do with media and propaganda, is building confidence in your system.

00:44:40.000 This is why I've been saying that Lin Wood is one of the most destructive and dangerous things for Trump and his

00:44:45.000 supporters because he's stripping Trump of legitimacy.

00:44:48.000 And you know what?

00:44:49.000 Trump didn't come out and disavow or shut it down, and Trump supporters didn't either, and that's how they lost

00:44:54.000 legitimacy.

00:44:54.000 Every Trump supporter I know in my network disavowed and shot down Lin Wood.

00:45:02.000 I'm not saying every single Trump supporter was like, I'll keep my mouth shut.

00:45:05.000 No, it was that there were many Trump supporters who are retweeting and propping it up.

00:45:10.000 And there were not the prominent ones, not a lot of, uh, you know, higher profile personalities, but I would tweet something like, you know, uh, it's, it's about time a loved one took Linwood's phone away.

00:45:21.000 And I get people saying, like, you should really be asking more serious questions and wondering why he's actually saying these things.

00:45:26.000 And I'm like, dude, Mike Pence is not going to get arrested.

00:45:28.000 Mike Pence is not committing treason.

00:45:30.000 This is crazy.

00:45:31.000 What was Lin Wood's claim to fame?

00:45:33.000 You told me this before.

00:45:34.000 He represented somebody.

00:45:35.000 That movie that just came out recently about the guy and what was it?

00:45:40.000 He got falsely accused of planning a bomb.

00:45:41.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:45:43.000 Richard Jewell, I think was his name.

00:45:44.000 Oh, Richard Jewell.

00:45:45.000 Yeah, that was the Atlanta bombing.

00:45:47.000 Was that Lin Wood who did that?

00:45:48.000 I don't know.

00:45:49.000 Richard Jewell was Atlanta.

00:45:50.000 There's new breaking news happening right now with Loeffner no longer objecting.

00:45:54.000 So right now it looks like they're proceeding with the certification.

00:45:58.000 Mike Pence was just making a speech and it looks like they're going forward with the vote.

00:46:04.000 No surprise.

00:46:05.000 And then here's an excellent instance of how what happened today was counterproductive.

00:46:09.000 How many dissenting votes on the floor now?

00:46:12.000 I don't know.

00:46:12.000 probably none. None. Yeah. They were going to. Is it is it is it literally none or are we just.

00:46:17.000 Oh I don't know. I haven't seen it. It's about to happen or it's happening right now. That

00:46:20.000 stripped Trump of what legit what legitimacy and support he had. I thought Rand Paul said there

00:46:25.000 would be none. Yeah Rand Paul said that's it they'll come in. It's not that I'm opposed to

00:46:28.000 taking action. It's that I'm opposed to taking stupid counterproductive you know kamikaze without

00:46:35.000 the damage to the other side action which is what happened today. I'm opposed to general

00:46:39.000 destruction and vandalism and violence because it's just morally wrong. And I've said this

00:46:45.000 since I started doing this work. You cannot build a better world using the tactics of those you

00:46:50.000 oppose. It's.

00:46:51.000 I've seen it from Antifa and Occupy Wall Street, and we're seeing this now.

00:46:55.000 When you think, I can create a better world if only I use the tactics that are wrong, then you've created a world built off of wrong tactics, and then how do you keep your glorious revolution, how do you stop the next one, right?

00:47:07.000 That's it saying.

00:47:08.000 Once you have your revolution, and you win, and you're victorious, how do you stop the next great revolution from happening?

00:47:13.000 When Occupy Wall Street had these Black Bloc people, They kept saying you have to respect the diversity of tactics.

00:47:18.000 And that was code for allow the violent people.

00:47:21.000 And I said, no.

00:47:22.000 We want a better world.

00:47:23.000 We want a peaceful world.

00:47:25.000 We want people who will talk to each other, communicate, cooperate, right?

00:47:28.000 You can't build that by violence.

00:47:30.000 You can't build it destroying things because what happens is the people who are violent take power.

00:47:34.000 They feel justified using violence.

00:47:35.000 And then they have a brand new system that uses violence to suppress those they don't like.

00:47:39.000 And when it was going down, I always remember saying, every action has an equal reaction.

00:47:44.000 And if you think there's not going to be an equal reaction to what's happening, especially during the summer, especially during the riots, even before that, we've seen similar conflicts.

00:47:52.000 We've seen the mainstream media egg it on.

00:47:54.000 We've seen the mainstream media bastardize it.

00:47:57.000 We've seen the mainstream media promote certain different ideas out there.

00:48:01.000 I think, really, when we look at the people that are responsible, you have to make The people who are pointing and making people believe this, an element that really should be held responsible in my opinion.

00:48:15.000 I'm worried about what the dramatic escalation is already going to be.

00:48:19.000 Well, you know, Civil War's trending on Twitter, so people are already talking about this.

00:48:24.000 There's also people talking about Area 51.

00:48:27.000 It's trending right now as well, and some people are jokingly saying, well, now maybe we could try the Area 51 raid.

00:48:34.000 But again, that's satire and obviously facetiousness of what people are expressing right now on Twitter.

00:48:39.000 And when you really look at the hashtags, white privilege, treason, what else is there, Schumer, we're seeing a lot of hyperbolic, bipartisan craziness that's only going to get more out of hand.

00:48:53.000 Let me tell you what I think may be the most destructive and dangerous thing this country has seen yet from Cori Bush.

00:48:59.000 She's a newly elected, I believe.

00:49:01.000 Yeah.

00:49:01.000 Progressive.

00:49:02.000 She tweeted, my first resolution in Congress will be to call for the expulsion of the Republican members of Congress who incited this domestic terror attack on the Capitol.

00:49:11.000 20,000 retweets?

00:49:12.000 How many retweets does that have?

00:49:14.000 That'll go nowhere.

00:49:17.000 It's not about that.

00:49:17.000 It's crazy.

00:49:18.000 What people need to understand, you know, when they were saying that Mike Pence doesn't have the power or the authority, it's about willpower.

00:49:25.000 We're human beings.

00:49:26.000 We're not computer programs.

00:49:28.000 What's to stop me right now from getting up and just leaving?

00:49:31.000 People would be like, that's crazy!

00:49:32.000 Tim left his show and now it's like, he's not there anymore?

00:49:34.000 He's just gone to the empty chair?

00:49:35.000 It's not likely to happen.

00:49:37.000 But I could do it if I wanted to.

00:49:38.000 Mike Pence could have walked out of the building.

00:49:39.000 Mike Pence could have said whatever he wants.

00:49:41.000 When Cori Bush says it's going to be a resolution, I think you're right.

00:49:44.000 Probably won't go anywhere.

00:49:46.000 But think about the message being sent now at a time of extreme hyperpolarization.

00:49:51.000 I will expel you!

00:49:53.000 I will try to remove you.

00:49:56.000 She's like, I'm part of the, what do they call that group of people?

00:49:58.000 The squad?

00:49:59.000 Yeah, I'm part of the squad now.

00:50:00.000 She's just this like, this excessively radical politician and she's like all about tribalism.

00:50:08.000 She wants to be part of this group and she wants to do this stupidly radical expulsion of senators.

00:50:14.000 Well listen, there's more.

00:50:15.000 Hold on, there's more.

00:50:16.000 She tweeted, I'm calling for the removal of every GOP member involved in today's coup.

00:50:20.000 If you're with me, sign your name to my petition to send them a message that you will not stand for their treason.

00:50:26.000 Do you want to know what my biggest criticisms of Linwood was?

00:50:28.000 This is a freshman congressman?

00:50:29.000 A freshman congressman.

00:50:31.000 But listen.

00:50:32.000 You know what the problem is with Lynne Wood saying Mike Pence committed treason?

00:50:35.000 Do you know what the penalty for treason is?

00:50:36.000 Death.

00:50:37.000 Death.

00:50:37.000 And when Cori Bush, a sitting member of the House who just got elected, is saying that Republicans should be expelled for their treason, this is an escalation that is... Listen, when I have been saying that I see this coming and I see this escalating, I'm not saying it should happen.

00:50:54.000 It shouldn't happen and people need to stop.

00:50:56.000 The problem is, Nobody will accept the other side de-escalating at all.

00:51:03.000 They won't.

00:51:04.000 Okay?

00:51:04.000 So, Cori Bush is not going to say, I will be the person to say, I'm calming down.

00:51:09.000 We need to learn to work together and solve this problem.

00:51:11.000 Some have.

00:51:12.000 Some have.

00:51:13.000 I think your Chinese finger trap metaphor is fantastic because especially if me and you both have our fingers in the trap, if we're not talking to each other, we're not going to be able to coordinate pushing in together to get out together.

00:51:23.000 That's a really good analogy for the tribalism.

00:51:26.000 It's not just one person with their hand stuck, it's both stuck in the trap trying to break out of it by pulling as hard as they can instead of talking it through, calming things down, and working things out.

00:51:35.000 But we're on the trap.

00:51:37.000 The trap is social media.

00:51:38.000 The social media that distributes images and videos that trigger your empathetic reactions and sort you by tribe based on instinct and gut.

00:51:46.000 So it's giving us tightening impulses where we think the other person's polling and when they're actually not.

00:51:51.000 Algorithms and news organizations that know if they get you in a fear state that they get more clicks, that they get more revenue, that they get more engagement, and they willingly keep incentivizing these actions that keep bringing us at each other's throats.

00:52:05.000 And here we are today.

00:52:07.000 And if you haven't already, smash that like button.

00:52:09.000 We love your likes.

00:52:10.000 They really do help.

00:52:11.000 But look, I don't have to be an algorithm or a news organization to know what you're saying is true.

00:52:17.000 I can see it.

00:52:18.000 When I tweet about Antifa and Antifa violence, mad engagement.

00:52:23.000 I tweet about positive, constructive things that you can do in your life.

00:52:27.000 What is the alternative?

00:52:28.000 What can we do?

00:52:30.000 Medium engagement, not nothing.

00:52:32.000 Come on, come on.

00:52:35.000 So I really do genuinely just tweet what I think randomly.

00:52:39.000 Sometimes I'll see something and I'll tweet about it, right?

00:52:41.000 He has funny thoughts.

00:52:42.000 So there's a bunch of tweets that I'll post that'll do really, really well.

00:52:45.000 But then a good example is when I criticize the likes of Lin Wood and I get ratioed by people who are critical or saying, well, let's wait to see how things play out.

00:52:54.000 I don't care if people retweet me or not.

00:52:56.000 I don't ask, please retweet this.

00:52:57.000 I just tweet what I'm thinking.

00:52:59.000 Sometimes my thoughts resonate with people and sometimes they don't.

00:53:02.000 But there are a lot of people who purposefully know what they're doing and drive it on purpose.

00:53:07.000 Now, many of these people like to accuse me of doing that.

00:53:09.000 It's just not true.

00:53:11.000 I just say what I think.

00:53:12.000 We also got some other news.

00:53:13.000 So it looks like the chair of CPAC was wrong.

00:53:16.000 It wasn't a 16-year-old girl.

00:53:19.000 We're getting information from the New York Post that this was specifically an Air Force veteran that served in the military for 14 years and had done four tours of duty that passed away and died today from California.

00:53:34.000 Tragic.

00:53:36.000 Sucks.

00:53:36.000 Wow, man.

00:53:36.000 And you know what the problem is?

00:53:39.000 A lot of these people didn't know what they were doing.

00:53:41.000 They just didn't know anything.

00:53:42.000 They didn't know.

00:53:43.000 There was a video we were watching.

00:53:45.000 I was watching it on Twitter of this woman and she's crying and someone asks her, you know, what happened?

00:53:51.000 And she goes, I got maced.

00:53:52.000 And they were like, why did you get maced?

00:53:54.000 She goes, we tried entering the building and I got two feet in and then the police maced me.

00:53:58.000 And they go, why were you trying to get in the building?

00:54:00.000 And she goes, we're storming the Capitol.

00:54:02.000 It's a revolution.

00:54:04.000 She had no idea what she was talking about.

00:54:06.000 She has no idea what they were doing.

00:54:07.000 Foot soldiers, stooges, tools, pawns.

00:54:10.000 Like, okay, the street soldiers for Antifa are pawns.

00:54:14.000 It's their network.

00:54:15.000 Do you think the network really cares about those Antifa scrubs?

00:54:18.000 And no, hold on, hold on.

00:54:20.000 Keep going.

00:54:20.000 I just don't want our people used as pawns, as tools.

00:54:24.000 In 1800, getting into the building would have had value.

00:54:27.000 Cause that's where all the paperwork was.

00:54:29.000 That's where the doc, It's all on the internet now.

00:54:31.000 It's all stored in servers in Alaska.

00:54:34.000 And something you've been bringing up, Ian, is like, why don't they just vote remote?

00:54:36.000 And they probably are.

00:54:37.000 We don't even know it.

00:54:38.000 They have tunnels under... They don't need to be in the Capitol.

00:54:40.000 That building's point... It's ceremonial at this point.

00:54:43.000 This is... Other breaking news.

00:54:45.000 Tucker Carlson just said that the cabinet is considering invoking the 25th Amendment.

00:54:49.000 This is from Tucker Carlson of Fox News reporting this right now.

00:54:52.000 Trump's cabinet?

00:54:54.000 Or the new... The cabinet.

00:54:56.000 That's what I'm getting right now.

00:54:58.000 Is that the group Nancy Pelosi created or whatever?

00:55:01.000 Or is it Trump's cabinet?

00:55:02.000 I'm not sure.

00:55:02.000 I'm gonna look into this more.

00:55:03.000 So, in DC, they wanted... I mean, there's so much we haven't even got into.

00:55:07.000 The pipe bombs and stuff we gotta talk about.

00:55:10.000 I'll tell you what really freaked me out.

00:55:12.000 You know what really freaked me out, Jack?

00:55:14.000 When Virginia announced they were sending in Virginia National Guard into a federal jurisdiction.

00:55:20.000 When Maryland announced they were sending in National Guard into a federal jurisdiction.

00:55:25.000 At the request of the mayor.

00:55:27.000 No.

00:55:27.000 Yeah.

00:55:28.000 No, I saw the whole thing happen.

00:55:29.000 The mayor requested Virginia and Maryland?

00:55:31.000 Yeah, because the mayor requested the National Guard.

00:55:34.000 And the Pentagon said no.

00:55:35.000 So then she went and she requested local jurisdictional help.

00:55:38.000 There are Fairfax County cops down there.

00:55:40.000 There are Montgomery County cops down there.

00:55:42.000 Mike Pence issued a statement ordering the DC National Guard to step up.

00:55:46.000 Trump didn't do it.

00:55:47.000 Yeah, this is what I don't understand, why the National Guard was rejected.

00:55:51.000 There's a lot of confusing things.

00:55:53.000 I mean, look, first of all, last time there wasn't any damage like this, okay?

00:55:57.000 And all the protests and riots before, it has been BLM and Antifa, and the police force escalated as the violence escalated, and they finally escalated the police force enough to put it down.

00:56:10.000 Maybe people just didn't assume that the MAGA folks were going to come and storm the Capitol.

00:56:15.000 I said, I do my segments, 10 a.m., 1 p.m., 4 p.m.

00:56:18.000 My 1 p.m.

00:56:19.000 segment, I'm like, there's a lot of people, nothing's gonna happen.

00:56:21.000 You know, I was like, Trump supporters don't do this stuff, right?

00:56:24.000 They wave little American flags, they're in the ellipse, they're waiting for Trump, Trump's gonna speak, he's gonna say his piece, and they're gonna leave.

00:56:31.000 And then I remember, like, the video goes up, and then it was like 1.46, this woman gets shot or whatever, and I'm like, my video's been up for 45 minutes, and I said this wasn't gonna happen, and it's happening right now.

00:56:39.000 You incited it.

00:56:41.000 So it's so insane that I could say two things.

00:56:44.000 Violence does not work.

00:56:46.000 And I showed you the graph.

00:56:47.000 I showed you Black Lives Matter losing all their support by rioting.

00:56:50.000 Don't do it!

00:56:51.000 And I can say, I don't even think Trump supporters will do it.

00:56:53.000 I've been saying for the week going up to it, roads are being closed, so I don't know if I'm going to go there anyway.

00:56:58.000 And I don't think Trump supporters are going to do much.

00:57:01.000 If anything, you would assume people would say Tim was discouraging people from going.

00:57:05.000 But this is the problem.

00:57:07.000 The left and the right, to varying degrees, don't care.

00:57:11.000 And what I mean by that is, the left believes genuinely that the right doesn't care, and the right believes genuinely the left doesn't care, and so both sides are unwilling to back down.

00:57:22.000 There's not going to be a compromise on these issues.

00:57:24.000 And what happens when you perpetrate one side?

00:57:25.000 The other side gets even stronger, and then it just keeps going back and forth in this continual cycle.

00:57:30.000 Oh, well, you know who loves this?

00:57:31.000 The security apparatus.

00:57:34.000 They're all sitting in their private room, popping champagne and high-fiving each other.

00:57:36.000 Dude, they're already drafting up their brand new counterinsurgency task force for the United States to go after everybody that ever tweeted on a MAGA hashtag.

00:57:49.000 It's coming.

00:57:50.000 It's coming.

00:57:50.000 This was...

00:57:52.000 Such a blunder.

00:57:53.000 I cannot emphasize this enough.

00:57:56.000 They were going to come after us anyway.

00:57:58.000 The Trumpification talk had already begun.

00:58:00.000 There's no question.

00:58:01.000 But now, on the eve of them taking power, we have literally, we, these guys, Storm Capital, have handed the incoming administration this just free pass to crack down.

00:58:12.000 They will have the full support of the American people because, hey, there's a revolution going on in D.C.

00:58:19.000 Got to put it down.

00:58:19.000 Got to put down white supremacists, the worst national security threat, according to the FBI bull.

00:58:25.000 And so now they're going to have like basically what do you call it when like a mandate, they have a mandate.

00:58:31.000 They will have a mandate now to crack down on people, on speech, on everything else, make everything worse.

00:58:36.000 Loughner on the House floor just said, quote, when I arrived in Washington this morning, I fully intended to object the certification of the electoral votes.

00:58:45.000 However, the events that have transpired today have forced me to reconsider and I cannot now in good conscience object.

00:58:53.000 So those are the comments that were just issued.

00:58:55.000 Okay, so who wins?

00:58:58.000 The only winners here are the left.

00:59:01.000 Private security agencies?

00:59:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:04.000 So they won.

00:59:05.000 MAGA, no way.

00:59:07.000 Nothing.

00:59:08.000 This is the end of MAGA.

00:59:10.000 Trump is, they're talking about invoking the 25th.

00:59:13.000 That's where you take the acting president out?

00:59:16.000 The vice president says he's unable to do his job.

00:59:18.000 They remove him.

00:59:18.000 And I said earlier, I would not be surprised now if they impeach and remove as like an immediate.

00:59:24.000 And this is the perfect opportunity to do it.

00:59:26.000 Look, they claim Trump was instigating and all this stuff.

00:59:29.000 Trump was definitely talking about the evidence, the election.

00:59:33.000 He's very energetic, but he didn't tell anybody to go do anything.

00:59:36.000 I was at the speech.

00:59:37.000 It was dry. And what I what I noted was that he he did talk about some dominion and last-minute vote switching and yada

00:59:44.000 yada But he emphasized very concrete pieces of evidence Matt Brainerd

00:59:49.000 type evidence, you know out-of-state voters dead voters, whatever

00:59:52.000 He's like I'm gonna bore you with all the details because he was there to lay out his key

00:59:56.000 He even prefaced, like, please don't hate me when I'm so boring.

00:59:59.000 And then he pretty much put the ball in Mike Pence's court, which everyone was saying that was a pretty weak move.

01:00:04.000 If you really care about this, you wouldn't put all the responsibilities on Mike Pence, who publicly disagreed with you on this particular topic.

01:00:12.000 So he conceded in front of everyone today, basically.

01:00:15.000 He said, I'll never concede!

01:00:16.000 But the speech was a concession.

01:00:17.000 He gave the ball to Mike Pence.

01:00:19.000 I think that's fair to say.

01:00:20.000 Right.

01:00:20.000 It's the easiest way to be like, I'm not conceding.

01:00:22.000 It just Pence isn't supporting me.

01:00:24.000 I mean, let's be honest here.

01:00:25.000 He was already planning on a golfing trip on the inauguration, uh, during, uh, you know, Scotland said Scotland said no because of COVID.

01:00:33.000 So there's also that important merit to bring up here and people should also understand.

01:00:38.000 I think this is the, I think it's, I think it's the end.

01:00:41.000 Do you disagree?

01:00:43.000 Well, no, I was just shaking my, I don't know if I agree or not, but I was shaking my head at the idea that this moment is the worst possible thing that could happen to the emergent Trump nationalist populism that was trying to form, trying to come out of this.

01:00:56.000 Stop the steal.

01:00:57.000 Stop the steal.

01:00:58.000 Could have been literal, could have been metaphorical, just the same way build the wall was literal and metaphorical, pulling back from globalism and, you know, erecting barriers in general.

01:01:07.000 Stop the steal.

01:01:08.000 Stop them from stealing our government.

01:01:09.000 Stop the critical race theorists from taking over the government.

01:01:12.000 Stop the radical left from taking over our institutions.

01:01:14.000 I can see that.

01:01:15.000 So there was like a seed.

01:01:17.000 There's energy.

01:01:18.000 And then something like this is bad.

01:01:21.000 Bad jews.

01:01:21.000 Bad jews for the energy.

01:01:23.000 Jack, I got bad news for you.

01:01:24.000 Tell me.

01:01:24.000 Do you know what the number five top trending hashtag is on Twitter right now?

01:01:30.000 F around to find out?

01:01:31.000 White privilege.

01:01:33.000 Oh, because that white chick got shot for storming the Capitol?

01:01:36.000 Uh, probably because what they've been saying is, look what happens when Black Lives Matter protests.

01:01:40.000 They get all these different agencies surrounding.

01:01:43.000 I mean, look, it's actually a fair point, but not necessarily for entirely what they're saying.

01:01:48.000 They're saying, when Black Lives Matter comes to the Capitol, they go crazy with mass security, right?

01:01:53.000 That's true.

01:01:54.000 They didn't do that this time.

01:01:55.000 But guess who loses in the end?

01:01:57.000 It's the MAGA.

01:01:58.000 It's Trump supporters.

01:01:59.000 Well, Trump wouldn't call on the National Guard.

01:02:01.000 He denied the mayor of the National Guard.

01:02:03.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:02:06.000 The National Guard said no to the request.

01:02:09.000 I thought Trump said no.

01:02:10.000 Are you sure they said no?

01:02:11.000 Yes.

01:02:12.000 Denied.

01:02:12.000 I mean, I saw reports on Twitter and then the follow on events line up to me to say that this was likely to have happened in that they went to the National Guard first.

01:02:21.000 No.

01:02:22.000 And now they call in cops from Loudoun County.

01:02:24.000 Is it Trump who authorized the authorization?

01:02:26.000 No.

01:02:26.000 Chris Miller is.

01:02:28.000 But Chris Miller reports to Trump, so there's a whole lot that could happen there.

01:02:31.000 What I heard was that the National Guard had already been given orders on how they were assisting local law enforcement.

01:02:37.000 When the mayor came in and said, we want you to move, they said, that's got to go through standardized procedure, so we can't do that.

01:02:42.000 Trump did not say, give them the request.

01:02:47.000 Mike Pence eventually stepped in and said, do it.

01:02:49.000 And then they did.

01:02:50.000 So Trump didn't do it.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, there's so much fake news and nonsense out there.

01:02:53.000 I mean, I don't know if even I should address this, uh, specifically with what Keith Olbermann just said.

01:02:58.000 Oh no!

01:02:59.000 But you won't believe it.

01:03:01.000 He's left-wing.

01:03:01.000 We need to see both sides.

01:03:03.000 Is it about baseball?

01:03:04.000 We must know all sides.

01:03:05.000 He said, quote, the United States of America was today the victim of a terrorist attack orchestrated by the President of the United States.

01:03:13.000 Today, Donald Trump's 9-11 attack on America.

01:03:17.000 He's comparing what happened.

01:03:18.000 Yeah, Keith Olbermann's 9-11 attack.

01:03:19.000 He reminds me of that guy, Murat, in the French Revolution.

01:03:23.000 Remember that writer, The Friend of the People, I think was his news organization?

01:03:27.000 The guy with the condition?

01:03:28.000 Yeah, he had a skin condition.

01:03:29.000 And this woman stabbed him and martyred him, basically.

01:03:32.000 That's a painting of him in the bathtub.

01:03:34.000 I mean, I like Keith a little bit, but this rhetoric that he's been spewing the last, like, He's he's five years since he went crazy since he got kicked out of his job, his old job with who was at MSNBC when he got fired.

01:03:46.000 Like then this was the dumbest terrorist attack in the history of terror attacks.

01:03:50.000 A terror attack with a net result of negative one dead poor girl dead and your whole intent and purposes being shot to shit all at the same time.

01:03:58.000 What kind of, what is that?

01:04:00.000 That's why I wonder about the police just letting them in.

01:04:04.000 I want to know more about that.

01:04:06.000 I'm going to talk to my guys and see what they have to say about that.

01:04:08.000 They definitely, there's videos of them smashing the windows.

01:04:11.000 Like the cops weren't letting them in the building.

01:04:12.000 Let me see if I can.

01:04:13.000 But they smashed the windows out.

01:04:15.000 They were climbing and scaling those walls.

01:04:17.000 They were going through awnings.

01:04:18.000 We need to get those rivets out of the walls, by the way, that you can climb up.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, I've always thought about that.

01:04:23.000 Big, flat, sheer walls with jut outs so you can't get over them.

01:04:26.000 Whoever was designing the Capitol, they were like, hmm, I think we need a ladder to get into the Capitol grounds here, so let's make this wall climbable.

01:04:33.000 What?

01:04:34.000 Are you crazy?

01:04:35.000 Let's make it look good.

01:04:36.000 It's got to have those pigeon things on it so people can't climb it.

01:04:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:40.000 Those little spikes that come out.

01:04:41.000 Yo, Tim, Trump's banned from Facebook for 24 hours.

01:04:44.000 Yep, Twitter 12 hours, Facebook 24 hours.

01:04:46.000 They're gonna kick him off.

01:04:48.000 Trump's I think they're gonna go after my legally. I think I know I think New York's gonna try to arrest him

01:04:53.000 They're gonna try and shut down the organization The they did not want this man to win and I tell you and

01:04:58.000 what we've seen here You know what? I was saying earlier when I said nothing's

01:05:01.000 gonna happen I was like look we went through four years of the left

01:05:04.000 screaming Trump's illegitimate He didn't win and these scandals.

01:05:07.000 And I was like, what's, what's the likelihood that we get the same thing now with Republicans saying, Oh, Joe Biden and scandals in Ukraine.

01:05:13.000 And now we're seeing Trump supporters clashing with cops.

01:05:16.000 Like we saw with Antifa.

01:05:18.000 I think it was, I said it was going to be like an inversion.

01:05:20.000 This is not, this is something twisted and weird.

01:05:22.000 Ha, this puts the banning of Enrique into a new light, doesn't it?

01:05:28.000 Why is that?

01:05:28.000 Well, because maybe he would have been on the ground telling people to chill the F out.

01:05:33.000 I don't think he was going down into D.C.

01:05:35.000 thinking that they were going to storm the Capitol.

01:05:37.000 Yeah, in fights, whenever you take down the leadership, the army usually is chaotic, doesn't know what's going on.

01:05:44.000 Shout out to John Gary for that comment on Twitter.

01:05:47.000 Thank you very much.

01:05:48.000 And then another thing I was thinking about today is I noticed after the speech, there were just gangs and I don't want to use.

01:05:57.000 OK, let me take that back.

01:05:58.000 There were large groups of angry people dressed in black and they had shirts, you know, F-Antifa.

01:06:05.000 Then there was other group and they were just marching around F-Antifa, F-Antifa.

01:06:08.000 And then another group, and I'm not disparaging these people are saying something wrong.

01:06:11.000 I'm just saying the energy was different today.

01:06:12.000 Then there was multiple groups carrying with, you know, like football sized flags, American flags, all holding a piece of it over their head, walking down the streets, chanting.

01:06:22.000 Wow, really?

01:06:27.000 Like Antifa does.

01:06:29.000 Do you see the- I heard reports that there were leftists and conservatives chanting, F the police.

01:06:34.000 I don't know if that's true though.

01:06:35.000 Well, I'm telling you man, my Twitter mentions yesterday went ACAP.

01:06:39.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:06:41.000 Yeah, from my own people.

01:06:42.000 I block a bunch of people.

01:06:43.000 I don't care.

01:06:44.000 I think Antifa is going to become a... I don't want to say it's going to... Bipartisan isn't the right word, but I wouldn't be surprised when Enrique Tarrio tweeted that Proud Boys are going to dress like Antifa.

01:06:56.000 What's to stop now conservatives from being like, okay, Yeah, I think Cerno tweeted this afternoon, this was the birth of the right-wing Antifa.

01:07:06.000 John Robb today tweeted out that this was the first mobilization for the right-wing tribal network.

01:07:14.000 He actually asked me yesterday, DMs, how's mobilization looking?

01:07:17.000 And I didn't, I couldn't tell him, but I saw it today, man.

01:07:20.000 It's there.

01:07:20.000 The ACAB is in effect now.

01:07:22.000 I'm feeling it all over the place.

01:07:24.000 The, the, the, you know, back the blue seems to be history phase shift in the network.

01:07:29.000 Practically overnight had to Joe Norman on that one.

01:07:32.000 And then this violence against the cops and storming in the federal buildings.

01:07:36.000 I mean, like the whole environment shifted today.

01:07:39.000 Did you see the video of... I'll tell you the craziest thing I've ever seen.

01:07:43.000 There's someone holding a thin blue line flag in front of... and right in front of them in this huge crowd is a cop being shoved and beaten by a bunch of Trump supporters.

01:07:52.000 Did you see that video?

01:07:53.000 No.

01:07:53.000 I don't know if he was being beaten per se, but he was being roughed up.

01:07:57.000 It's this, um... Dragged out of the building, apparently.

01:07:58.000 This story of becoming the demon that you despise.

01:08:01.000 Have you seen The Watchman, the movie?

01:08:03.000 There's a cartoon in it where this guy goes out to sea and these demons attack his boat and take him and then they're going to kill his wife back home.

01:08:11.000 So he has these visions and he just wants to kill this demon.

01:08:14.000 So he finally, you know, he's sailing back to save his wife and he's just obsessed with destroying this demon.

01:08:20.000 He gets back and it's nighttime and he's searching for his wife and he sees the demon and he kills it.

01:08:24.000 And then he realizes when the light comes on that the demon was his wife.

01:08:29.000 And he became so obsessed with destruction and destroying this evil thing that he became the evil thing.

01:08:34.000 What's the saying?

01:08:35.000 Be careful when fighting monsters, lest ye become one.

01:08:37.000 For when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back.

01:08:40.000 I mean, at the end of the summer, I stopped going out to film the riots, partially because my profile was getting so big that I was getting ID'd everywhere I went, but mostly because I felt it inside me that I wanted something bad to happen.

01:08:54.000 What do you mean?

01:08:55.000 Like, I'm leaving my kids at home.

01:08:57.000 I'm going out on the street.

01:08:58.000 I'm staying out until two in the morning.

01:09:00.000 They call it firefighters wishing for fire.

01:09:01.000 Yeah, I had an urge.

01:09:03.000 I had an urge to want to see it.

01:09:04.000 Of course I tweeted it out and thank God there's no violence or whatever.

01:09:07.000 There's this idea that you've got a firefighter whose job, what makes them feel good is saving people from a burning building, is putting the fire out, being the hero, doing their job, makes you feel good.

01:09:16.000 During 9-11, There's reports that they would have to take first responders and partially bury them so the dogs would feel sense of, like, joy for rescuing a person because they couldn't find people.

01:09:29.000 The dogs would eventually get depressed because they couldn't find anybody that they were doing something wrong.

01:09:32.000 So there's this idea where, you know, you're a firefighter, and you sit around all day doing nothing, and then one day you're sitting there going, like, come on, give me a fire, and you realize how crazy that is.

01:09:41.000 No, it's a good thing there's no fire, man.

01:09:42.000 Now, you stopped, I stopped, Tim, you stopped, but what about the average mainstream media lunky who can't stop and has to keep doing this?

01:09:50.000 What was that movie where they had that reporter that became obsessive and he started creating conflict just so he could get, you know, the video of it?

01:09:59.000 Nightcrawler.

01:10:00.000 Yes.

01:10:00.000 Such a good movie.

01:10:01.000 That is literally, in my opinion, that is literally happening right now, but on a big mainstream media level.

01:10:07.000 And they are foaming at the mouth, loving and seeding all of this.

01:10:10.000 And this is their kind of big holiday.

01:10:13.000 Have you seen the movie Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal?

01:10:15.000 No, but we have discussed this before, and I understand the character arc there.

01:10:18.000 And I'm telling you, I felt it.

01:10:20.000 So check this out.

01:10:20.000 Check this out.

01:10:22.000 Spoiler alert, but it's an older movie, so you should have seen it.

01:10:25.000 We got to talk about this, because in the movie, you basically have this dude who's clearly a sociopath.

01:10:30.000 And he's broke, and he's trying to find any job he can.

01:10:32.000 He's trying to sell, like, stolen metals or whatever.

01:10:35.000 He can't get a job, and he's trying to make money, until he stumbles upon nightcrawling, which is this... It's journalists who go out in the middle of the night, and they chase down car crashes and murders and crimes.

01:10:46.000 He ends up selling a tape for some good money.

01:10:49.000 He eventually starts making better and better money.

01:10:51.000 Eventually he realizes, and he actually sees a car crash, he moves one of the bodies to get a better shot.

01:10:56.000 It looks better this way.

01:10:58.000 It sells for even more.

01:10:59.000 At one point he withholds evidence, and now he's actively, finally, orchestrating events that are death and murder because it pays the best.

01:11:09.000 This is the craziness that we see.

01:11:12.000 I personally feel there are many people in media sitting there crossing their fingers, hoping this would happen.

01:11:17.000 Definitely.

01:11:18.000 You see it even just in the subtly, sorry, on Twitter, I just see it in the little typing texts like, or you'll see like the people with their cameras just like recording the empty streets.

01:11:28.000 Waiting for something.

01:11:29.000 It's almost vitriolic right now.

01:11:32.000 There's a subreddit called Why Were They Filming?

01:11:35.000 And it makes you wonder about things like this.

01:11:36.000 Why were they filming?

01:11:37.000 What were they waiting for?

01:11:37.000 What did they want to happen?

01:11:38.000 I mean, it's the difference of, like, taking a picture of a dumpster from the side with all the lights and the flash on, the fire in the dumpster, and then, you know, getting into position, getting down on the ground, low to the ground, turning off the lights.

01:11:51.000 Having it look overexposed and having it look like this giant inferno.

01:11:54.000 That's the same concept at work.

01:11:56.000 There's a very, very, very famous moment.

01:11:58.000 It's a photo of, I believe it's a Haitian girl and she's lying on the ground dead.

01:12:03.000 And this photo, it's like from low and it's pointing up.

01:12:05.000 You see the sky, you see people walking past.

01:12:07.000 But there's an even more famous photo that emerged from this.

01:12:10.000 One of the photographers who was taking a picture of the girl got up and walked to the side and took a picture of a row of photographers around this corpse, this dead young girl, taking the pictures.

01:12:22.000 And that, in my opinion, is one of the most iconic photos of the past, you know, 50, 100 years or whatever.

01:12:28.000 The real image that you didn't see while these journalists were trying to get the artistic shot of this young dead woman, the real image was all of these vultures lining up around to get that shot to make money to sell it.

01:12:41.000 That's how scary it is.

01:12:42.000 But here's the thing.

01:12:44.000 When you take these pictures, I'll tell you one of the most important things.

01:12:47.000 You want to know what the least... the biggest letdown of my life, in terms of my expectations.

01:12:53.000 You ever see the meme, Expectation vs. Reality?

01:12:57.000 It was witnessing a revolution, right in front of my eyes, in Egypt.

01:13:01.000 I thought revolution was going to be like, you see these movies, and the French Revolution, and the people are running through the streets, and they're capturing the nobles.

01:13:08.000 In Egypt, there was a few thousand people jumping up and down as like, music played.

01:13:11.000 And then they announced on the news, they have removed the president from power.

01:13:15.000 That was it.

01:13:16.000 And then they were like, so the revolution happened.

01:13:18.000 And I was like, that's it?

01:13:18.000 And they're like, that's it?

01:13:19.000 Revolution happened.

01:13:20.000 I was like, okay.

01:13:21.000 What did you think?

01:13:22.000 What did you think it was going to be like?

01:13:23.000 When these journalists take these, film these things, and they inflate it, they make it look bigger and crazier and more dramatic, it makes people think things are worse than they really are.

01:13:34.000 The one thing I always tell people when it comes to Egypt, I was standing on my balcony, looking at Tahrir Square, Apache helicopters flying overhead, lasers everywhere, they announced the revolution was underway, and right down on the ground was a McDonald's and a guy was eating a burger watching a soccer match, like nothing was happening.

01:13:50.000 You hop on the back of a motorcycle, go down the street, go to the shopping mall, like nothing was happening.

01:13:54.000 But people have this view that's created by sensationalized news where they make history.

01:14:02.000 And so, absolutely, history is condensed.

01:14:04.000 And so one of the things I always, you know, took issue with,

01:14:07.000 when Portland was being hit by those riots for 100 plus days, you had two versions of it.

01:14:14.000 Well, I don't even, I don't want to say two versions, but the mainstream media was saying there's nothing going on in Portland and they'd walk around like everything's fine.

01:14:20.000 In New York, with the lockdowns and everything, you have these videos popping up of leftists walking in like the Upper West Side saying, look, everything's fine.

01:14:27.000 People are having ice cream.

01:14:28.000 And they ignore the actual strife and conflict that is happening.

01:14:31.000 Because in their view, they're like, everybody's exaggerating, Fox News is lying to you.

01:14:36.000 And it's like, look, just because Fox News, or any journals for that matter, is showing you something happening, doesn't mean you should assume it's happening literally everywhere.

01:14:44.000 But people do.

01:14:45.000 They do assume that it's crazier than it really is.

01:14:47.000 There's like a belief that a revolution is like a moment where like you seize the idol and now you have it and the revolution is over.

01:14:54.000 But like a revolution is a long process of change and it's a constant.

01:14:58.000 It's like a way of life.

01:15:00.000 But you know what?

01:15:01.000 This is all in our heads.

01:15:03.000 The Constitution is words or ideas in our head.

01:15:05.000 The regime is an idea in our head.

01:15:07.000 It's an imagined order.

01:15:08.000 A revolution changes the imagined order in your head. Yes, it's got practical

01:15:13.000 realities, of course, but like, you're still going to be sitting there. We're still going

01:15:16.000 to eat the combos. We're still going to have the beans. Let me let me tell you the most

01:15:19.000 important thing humans need to understand human beings. They said Mike Pence doesn't have

01:15:24.000 the power to reject the electors.

01:15:26.000 Sure. The Constitution says, you know, basically, here's how the count goes.

01:15:31.000 The Constitution also says shall not be infringed.

01:15:36.000 Constitution also says the right to peaceably assemble shall not be accomplished.

01:15:39.000 Congress shall make no law infringing, you know, or bridging the right to peaceably assemble, the right to worship.

01:15:44.000 But here we are.

01:15:45.000 Cuomo has done that, right?

01:15:47.000 And that's under a state of emergency.

01:15:50.000 So what people need to realize is Well, for one, there's the hypocrisy.

01:15:55.000 There's the double standard.

01:15:57.000 The rules apply to Pence.

01:15:58.000 He can't do anything.

01:15:59.000 But the rules don't apply to the Democratic governors.

01:16:02.000 More importantly, I think that should show you, if you believe in the Constitution, it only goes as far as other people agree with you.

01:16:08.000 That's confidence in the system.

01:16:11.000 In order for any political movement to have traction, there must be confidence behind it.

01:16:16.000 That's it.

01:16:17.000 The moral element of fourth generation war?

01:16:20.000 But I think it's I think confidence is breaking down right now.

01:16:23.000 And that's why we saw what we did today.

01:16:24.000 Yeah, along with the lines of like reporters seeking out violence and chaos so that they can sell their things.

01:16:31.000 It makes me think like the girl that got shot today was ex-military.

01:16:35.000 And so she's maybe trained to find and destroy violence and looking for it.

01:16:39.000 And so she's going to this looking for a heated It's not fair to think about her intentions right now.

01:16:44.000 We don't know her intentions.

01:16:45.000 We don't know what was going on.

01:16:46.000 We still don't know the information.

01:16:47.000 anymore when they're not deployed anymore there's still this mentality of

01:16:50.000 I got to find the enemy I got to destroy the I wonder how fair to think about her

01:16:54.000 intentions right now we don't know but I wonder how many don't know what was

01:16:57.000 going on I don't know the information I wonder how many of those people were ex

01:17:00.000 military that were there today looking for an enemy well more importantly how

01:17:03.000 many people were LARPing yep that's like more that's more important ex-military

01:17:07.000 The ex-military I've talked to and the ones that have actually seen combat tell you that it's nothing you want to see, it's nothing you want to be participating in, you want to avoid it at all costs.

01:17:17.000 I gotta tell you, having seen people get shot in front of me, I'm surprised there are people who would be willing to run towards that.

01:17:24.000 Like, look, as a journalist on the ground and you're covering conflict and crisis, there's a certain degree to which you're like, I have to film this, people have to see it.

01:17:33.000 But there's a big difference between what I would do, say, on the ground during conflicts, riots, or even civil unrest in other countries, versus actively participating in the conflict and running towards the violence to engage in it.

01:17:44.000 And I don't mean in a bad way.

01:17:45.000 I mean like, you're a soldier, you're a cop, you see people fighting and shooting and you think to yourself, I'm going to engage in that conflict.

01:17:53.000 Journalists don't do that.

01:17:53.000 I didn't do that.

01:17:54.000 When I'd be on the ground in these countries, I would see it and I'd be like, I'm gonna hide behind this pillar and point my camera at it and run away if it gets too intense and I'm in danger.

01:18:02.000 One of the things that I've been saying for a very long time whenever you have to resort to violence that should always be your last resort because everyone loses when that happens and people need to realize that.

01:18:13.000 Another thing that I kind of wanted to bring up here is again just on this topic of mainstream media journalists kind of wanting this conflict there's a tweet here that I'm seeing right now by Sally Cohan that was tweeted June 30th And she said, quote, I don't like violent protests, but I understand them.

01:18:30.000 And those wagging their finger against violent protests need to read up on their American history.

01:18:36.000 Today, she's saying that what happened was an absolute outcry.

01:18:40.000 She's detesting it.

01:18:41.000 And now she's saying that she hopes Republicans never win another national or statewide election for a generation.

01:18:47.000 And she, of course, is detesting this to the fullest extent of how disgusting and bad it is.

01:18:52.000 So again, this is the system.

01:18:53.000 This is the establishment.

01:18:54.000 This is the mainstream media voices that are promoted on YouTube.

01:18:58.000 These are the voices that are allowed.

01:19:00.000 These are the authoritarian voices that are saying, yes, violent protests are good, and now we're here today.

01:19:05.000 Come on.

01:19:05.000 Let's have a real serious discussion about the steps that led us here and how we could walk away from this in a rational way rather than, of course, continuing this left-right hyperbolic nonsense, which is, again, going to expand from here.

01:19:18.000 I don't know.

01:19:18.000 None of this strikes me as new.

01:19:20.000 Americans are hot-headed.

01:19:22.000 We fight.

01:19:22.000 We have wars.

01:19:23.000 We fight each other.

01:19:24.000 We're tribal.

01:19:25.000 Politics have been rough and tumble forever.

01:19:28.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:19:30.000 It doesn't strike me as being ahistoric.

01:19:33.000 It doesn't strike me as being out of the norm for American politics.

01:19:37.000 Because we've been at war for 20 years and it's been normalized.

01:19:40.000 This girl didn't even go into the military until 2006.

01:19:43.000 She's been in the Navy.

01:19:43.000 What was the Navy?

01:19:44.000 Air Force.

01:19:46.000 For 14 years since 2006.

01:19:48.000 Five years after the forever war just began.

01:19:50.000 And now these people are brainwashed to think that conflict is normal.

01:19:55.000 And now we've seen all this domestic upheaval as a result of these people with psychosis, essentially.

01:20:02.000 So you trace it to the military involvement, because I would trace it directly to social media and schools, which Tim kind of discounts.

01:20:08.000 I think the schools are hugely important.

01:20:10.000 I do.

01:20:11.000 I think the social media is piggybacking on it to exacerbate it.

01:20:15.000 But the school system that Rockefeller built in the 20s and 30s was basically to turn people into corporate drones and follow orders and join the military.

01:20:22.000 So that I think is definitely indoctrinated.

01:20:23.000 It'd be good factory workers.

01:20:24.000 Yep.

01:20:25.000 Raise your hand.

01:20:25.000 Wait till the bell rings.

01:20:27.000 Don't do anything unless you're given permission.

01:20:29.000 I don't know, man.

01:20:30.000 America was settled by conquerors.

01:20:32.000 We conquered the land.

01:20:33.000 We conquered the people.

01:20:34.000 We've been to wars.

01:20:34.000 We fought.

01:20:35.000 We're so antagonistic.

01:20:37.000 We fought a freaking civil war.

01:20:38.000 We fought ourselves.

01:20:39.000 We fought ourselves.

01:20:40.000 We're so antagonistic.

01:20:41.000 It's like built right into the system, I think.

01:20:44.000 And I think that it's, frankly, I'm getting a little tired of just, OK, yeah, the left's hypocritical.

01:20:50.000 Yeah, OK, the left wants to.

01:20:52.000 I mean, we know like we know and everybody knows.

01:20:55.000 And I don't want to spend the next four years talking about like and no offense, dude, but like, you know, comparing people's tweets.

01:21:01.000 Yeah, they're all hypocritical.

01:21:02.000 We all are, too.

01:21:04.000 Exactly.

01:21:04.000 We all are, too.

01:21:05.000 So I guess the question that I've been getting a lot and the question that people were DMing me on my way up here, it's like, But we're not the institutional power.

01:21:13.000 We're not the authoritative sources.

01:21:15.000 We're not the sources that are out there to millions and millions and millions of people.

01:21:18.000 We're independent media telling people we're wrong sometimes.

01:21:21.000 We admit our faults.

01:21:22.000 They don't.

01:21:23.000 That's the problem.

01:21:24.000 And they have a huge voice that galvanizes and supports and beats the drum for conflict.

01:21:29.000 That's a big difference.

01:21:30.000 So yes, we are hypocrites on some levels.

01:21:33.000 Everyone is.

01:21:34.000 No one's a perfect, principled person.

01:21:36.000 But they're something else.

01:21:38.000 Not just hypocrites in my opinion.

01:21:39.000 I agree.

01:21:39.000 I sat here with you.

01:21:40.000 And I said, the Proud Boys starting to look like Antifa, remember?

01:21:44.000 And I heavily criticized for the same exact reasons.

01:21:47.000 Destruction of private property, going around beating people, attacking people who are retreating, all that stuff.

01:21:53.000 When we do a show, and the people I respect, we criticize the violent behavior.

01:21:57.000 Because I tell this story all the time.

01:21:59.000 One of my favorite stories is when I shook the hands of a guy wearing a sickle and hammer mask, a commie, giving out communist literature, because he told me violence is wrong.

01:22:07.000 And I was like, my man.

01:22:08.000 I shook his hand and I said, that's awesome.

01:22:10.000 You want to have a conversation about Marxism and communism and all that stuff?

01:22:12.000 We could sit down and debate ideas?

01:22:14.000 I love it.

01:22:14.000 That's so cool.

01:22:15.000 The moment you go around and say, I'm right, therefore you're morally justified, is when you are wrong and you are bad and that's a problem.

01:22:22.000 So here's the problem, though.

01:22:24.000 And I agree with that.

01:22:25.000 In the back of my head, I can hear all the people going, yeah, that's how we got in this mess.

01:22:30.000 That's how we got in this mess.

01:22:31.000 So what do you do by taking the high ground, as it were, and not condoning violence?

01:22:37.000 Which I don't.

01:22:38.000 I disavow all the political violence.

01:22:39.000 In fact, even if you want political violence, you should disavow all political violence all the way up until the time you commit it.

01:22:45.000 Not that I'm advocating for it, because I'm not disavowing all the violence.

01:22:48.000 It just doesn't work.

01:22:50.000 But what do you do when you realize that you're in an engagement where the other side believes in political violence?

01:22:56.000 I'll ask you a question.

01:22:57.000 What do you do then?

01:22:58.000 That's what people are asking me.

01:22:59.000 Right.

01:22:59.000 Yes.

01:23:00.000 And I can answer.

01:23:01.000 OK, answer.

01:23:02.000 So let's let's let's do a stereotypical ancient or feudal Japan.

01:23:08.000 When the war was breaking out between, you know, rival factions, did the, you know, did one side send in the warriors to march right into the feudal lord's house and then declare that they were gonna duel him and finally end this conflict once and for all?

01:23:21.000 Or did Ninja dress up in civilian clothes, pre-plan, and subvert the strategy of their

01:23:26.000 opponent, going in and removing the feudal lord in the dead of night, and then running

01:23:30.000 across the water with wood placed in specific positions so that it looked like they were

01:23:35.000 walking on water, freaking out the enemies, and then dropping, I think it's called makabishi,

01:23:39.000 caltrops essentially, with poison in them.

01:23:41.000 They planned ahead, they considered what they were up against, and they made a surgical

01:23:46.000 move.

01:23:47.000 We are in an era where we have, I think there's a good thing here, that we are moving past

01:23:53.000 the era of violence.

01:23:54.000 It's actually kind of cool if you think about it, right?

01:23:57.000 That our engagements are now based upon ideas and propaganda and confidence.

01:24:03.000 And that means it really does come down to being smart, being strategic, You know, your strategy in terms of how you apply your resources, how you accrue resources, how you distribute them, and how you convince people to contribute to your ideology.

01:24:18.000 That's how you win an ideological war.

01:24:21.000 I think you're 100% right.

01:24:22.000 And I think that a new life skill that people have to develop is personal sovereignty.

01:24:26.000 And by that, I mean being aware of your ideas, electing to choose the ideas that you do believe in and repelling ideas that seek to capture your mind.

01:24:35.000 And that starts with being like physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually strong.

01:24:40.000 You know what we're going to be doing?

01:24:42.000 We're going to be getting a big old farmland.

01:24:44.000 We're going to be making videos where we build stuff, where we encourage people to have fun.

01:24:47.000 We're going to skateboard.

01:24:49.000 We're going to drive ATVs.

01:24:50.000 And the goal of this is there's two really big things.

01:24:51.000 in liminal order.

01:24:52.000 Personal sovereignty is one of the number one things that we focus on.

01:24:54.000 You know, in liminal order.

01:24:56.000 Check it out.

01:24:56.000 You know what we're going to be doing?

01:24:57.000 We're going to be getting a big old farmland.

01:24:59.000 We're going to be making videos where we build stuff, where we have people to have fun.

01:25:03.000 We're going to skateboard.

01:25:04.000 We're going to drive ATVs.

01:25:05.000 And the goal of this is there's two really big things I keep saying.

01:25:09.000 You want to you want to look, we talk so much about negative stuff all the time on this show.

01:25:13.000 As me personally, I do a four hours or three hours every day and it's always something negative.

01:25:17.000 So I'm like, I got to have a balance, you know, yin yang, man.

01:25:19.000 And there's got to be some good coming out of this.

01:25:21.000 So I want to we want to create we have the space We want to create stuff We want to encourage people to build and better themselves and exercise and eat right and eat healthy and all that good stuff Amen, brother And so I think one of the most important things we can do is self-sufficiency.

01:25:34.000 Amen.

01:25:35.000 Fulfilling our goals.

01:25:36.000 And I think one of the things that... A woman.

01:25:39.000 Right.

01:25:39.000 Amen.

01:25:40.000 A woman and eight children too.

01:25:42.000 So we're looking at getting this land and then we're going to have fun and be positive and productive.

01:25:46.000 Totally, Tim.

01:25:47.000 We're on such the same vibe, dude.

01:25:48.000 I've been looking at land for a while, as you know.

01:25:50.000 I think that was one of the first things we talked about the very first time I came on the show back in Philly last year.

01:25:54.000 Homesteading?

01:25:55.000 Yeah, homesteading.

01:25:56.000 90 acres for your 50,000-walled feudal village.

01:25:58.000 That's a little bit more than I can handle.

01:26:00.000 I know, but people are asking me, what can you do?

01:26:03.000 And the thing that you can do is what we're doing in the liminal order.

01:26:05.000 We decided a few years ago that the way we were going to fight back against this Is by by doubling down on ourselves and our families and our communities and building something positive, engaging your masculine sense of creation and protection and instruction.

01:26:18.000 And so we're building a community where people help each other and we're getting fitter and we're getting wealthier and we're getting happier and we're stronger and we're more secure.

01:26:25.000 And we have a network off of the social media networks.

01:26:27.000 We have private network that can't be disrupted.

01:26:30.000 And we all are talking about self-sufficiency.

01:26:32.000 We're all looking at homesteading.

01:26:33.000 We're all looking at trying to, I like to say, resettle the American frontier.

01:26:37.000 There's a lot of land.

01:26:38.000 Think about this.

01:26:38.000 there so much and there's a lot of opportunity and there's a lot of places

01:26:41.000 that will welcome you warmly Wyoming calls dude there's so many places that

01:26:45.000 call all of them have a red car to their to their state on the map for sure think

01:26:51.000 about this the the the pilgrims the pioneers who came from Europe to the new

01:26:57.000 world and what would what what the first people who came what could you expect

01:27:02.000 Our boat is going to land, and there's going to be trees and shoreline.

01:27:06.000 And then once we land, have at it.

01:27:09.000 What were they expecting to find?

01:27:10.000 No, they realized, like, how many people died?

01:27:13.000 Not even making it across the oceans, like a three-month journey.

01:27:17.000 Where is that spirit today of people being like, I'm gonna move to Nebraska in the middle of nowhere to a small town that needs help and start building something and bringing life back to these areas?

01:27:27.000 Or, starting my own place, my own home, and living like the brave people who found new places.

01:27:35.000 So the future for that, and Balaji talks about this, and we talk about this in Luminal Order as well, you got to build a community based on values.

01:27:42.000 You start a virtual community based on values, and then you build the community and the norms, and then you have the relationships and the resources, and then you can find land, and then you can start to homestead places.

01:27:53.000 You know, there is a positive with all the lockdowns.

01:27:57.000 It's true.

01:27:58.000 And I don't want to pretend like everything's always bad and everything's absolute.

01:28:02.000 A lot of people are now realizing they have to be self-sustainable.

01:28:06.000 They can't rely on the government who can't get them a stimulus, who actually shut down their businesses.

01:28:12.000 But let me tell you, if you lived out in the middle of nowhere and you were self-sufficient, you were less impacted by the lockdowns.

01:28:19.000 Most people still were to certain degrees.

01:28:21.000 But the further you move away from the cities, The less you actually see in terms of that damage from the population density.

01:28:27.000 So I think one of the positives we may be getting out of this, and I think the other point I was going to make about what we want to do, is encourage people to be energy efficient and self-sustainable.

01:28:36.000 So what that means is you really want to get out into the middle of nowhere and save money, especially in a crisis.

01:28:41.000 You've got to get better forms of energy, better energy production, self-sufficient.

01:28:45.000 I mean, dude, water wheels.

01:28:46.000 Come on.

01:28:47.000 You just stream, turn a turbine, make your own electricity or something like that.

01:28:51.000 Ride a bike.

01:28:51.000 There's a lot of things we can do.

01:28:52.000 I think for a long time humans have been kind of just accepting of, you know, it's easy come, easy go.

01:29:01.000 And now a lot of people are realizing Well, for one, you can't really rely on the government.

01:29:05.000 Stimulus checks is the perfect example.

01:29:07.000 We couldn't get that done.

01:29:08.000 And then the Democrats end up winning Georgia.

01:29:10.000 So maybe you need to sit back and take care of yourself.

01:29:13.000 Obviously, I think most conservatives understand that.

01:29:15.000 100%.

01:29:15.000 It's the left that is now starting to learn that lesson a little bit.

01:29:18.000 You think?

01:29:18.000 Or they're like, woohoo, all the reds are leaving the cities.

01:29:22.000 They're running away to fly over land.

01:29:24.000 You know, I wonder if they'll learn their lesson because they're staying in California.

01:29:29.000 They're staying in New York where they're just like getting no support, getting locked down.

01:29:33.000 I mean, that's not entirely true.

01:29:35.000 California had net out migration, I think, for the first time ever.

01:29:38.000 Those are probably conservatives.

01:29:40.000 It is.

01:29:40.000 They're losing a Congress House seat, I think, with the next census here.

01:29:46.000 So, you know, people are going to be voting with their feet.

01:29:48.000 But look, I've done the research.

01:29:50.000 Globalism's impact on the United States in the theory of global trade is that labor mobility is free and that people will move to where the best opportunities are.

01:30:00.000 We just haven't seen that.

01:30:01.000 It's just not true.

01:30:02.000 Labor mobility is not a real thing.

01:30:04.000 People stay even when the factory closes.

01:30:06.000 People stay even when the drugs are killing everybody.

01:30:08.000 They still stay.

01:30:09.000 Europe is a good example.

01:30:10.000 I think I told the story, we talked about this last time, where I was in Greece and I was in an Uber and the guy was telling me about how the economy was totally destroyed.

01:30:18.000 And I was like, but can't you as a member of the EU just go to the UK or Germany where the economy is better?

01:30:22.000 And he said, but I'm Greek.

01:30:24.000 I want to stay in Greece.

01:30:26.000 So the economy is destroyed.

01:30:27.000 There's no money.

01:30:28.000 There's no jobs, but you don't want to leave.

01:30:30.000 I get it.

01:30:30.000 They don't want to do it.

01:30:31.000 But I wonder, like, you know, what was it that made the the European colonizers decide to get on a boat, risk their lives and go to a big, empty... They got shunned.

01:30:42.000 They were kicked out.

01:30:43.000 What are you talking about?

01:30:43.000 They were hated.

01:30:44.000 Well, there you go.

01:30:45.000 Our Trump supporters are going to be like, let's go make, you know, Freedomville in Wyoming.

01:30:49.000 Mars.

01:30:50.000 Greenland.

01:30:52.000 All the Trump supporters should now migrate to Greenland.

01:30:56.000 I tell you, they will be doing that on Mars.

01:30:58.000 I've been watching Vikings and I'm telling you, that looks like a horrible place to settle.

01:31:03.000 I wonder at what point did they stop saying I'm Texan and start saying I'm American?

01:31:08.000 Do they now?

01:31:09.000 I don't know.

01:31:09.000 Usually, yeah, like I'm in Ohio in first.

01:31:11.000 Well, I think Texas is a particular case because we're a nation.

01:31:15.000 Yeah, they were.

01:31:16.000 I'm a I'm a Nevada in first.

01:31:18.000 I'm a I'm a Virginian.

01:31:19.000 I think there's only a few states, a few states that are like that.

01:31:22.000 Virginia is one of them.

01:31:23.000 People think that they're a Virginian before.

01:31:25.000 At what point will we stop being like, I'm an American first and an earthen, you know, a Terran next or when we're going to start thinking of ourselves as like, this is my planet or when we go to Mars and we're like, I'm a Martian, I'm a Terran.

01:31:37.000 I don't think we're gonna colonize Mars.

01:31:38.000 I don't think we're gonna do it.

01:31:39.000 Really?

01:31:40.000 I think we'll go there.

01:31:41.000 I think colonize in the sense that we'll probably have some production.

01:31:43.000 I don't think we're gonna colonize Mars. I don't think we're gonna do it.

01:31:46.000 I think we'll go there. I think colonize in the sense that we'll probably have some production.

01:31:51.000 But I don't think humans will live there.

01:31:52.000 Have you seen the weather there?

01:31:54.000 It sucks.

01:31:55.000 I'm going to the beach.

01:31:57.000 I'm not going to Mars.

01:31:58.000 And by the way, it would take $10 million to pay me to go into space.

01:32:02.000 No way.

01:32:03.000 Yeah.

01:32:04.000 If someone said, Hey man, you want to go on the next rocket to the space shuttle or space station?

01:32:08.000 No, no.

01:32:10.000 $10 million.

01:32:10.000 That's what it would take to get me into space.

01:32:11.000 It sucks.

01:32:15.000 You think people will, uh, will start to think of themselves as a Terran, but that we need some external threat.

01:32:20.000 You don't think that we'll just do that because we want to be all one world.

01:32:23.000 This is our home.

01:32:24.000 You can go anywhere.

01:32:25.000 I mean, maybe it comes down to language.

01:32:26.000 If you can speak the language of a different country, if aliens come, we'll be like, human.

01:32:32.000 I think, didn't we talk about the fact that we think that we, it's fun to say that the aliens would unite us.

01:32:38.000 But they probably wouldn't.

01:32:39.000 But they probably wouldn't.

01:32:40.000 Definitely not, no.

01:32:41.000 Trump supporters would be like, do the aliens support freedom?

01:32:43.000 And the left would be like, do the aliens support communal social welfare programs?

01:32:47.000 And then we'd pick one.

01:32:48.000 And then the aliens are going to be like, do you support Florgnak?

01:32:50.000 And we're going to be like, we don't know what that is.

01:32:53.000 Then you must be ended.

01:32:54.000 And then the aliens go to war with us.

01:32:55.000 And then we unite.

01:32:56.000 The reason I bring it up is because I don't like nationalism.

01:32:59.000 I don't like tribalism in general.

01:33:01.000 I'm kind of over it.

01:33:02.000 I want a global community.

01:33:03.000 It got you here, bro.

01:33:04.000 It got you here.

01:33:04.000 Your tribe got you here, bro.

01:33:05.000 It did, it did.

01:33:06.000 But that doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.

01:33:08.000 So, good luck convincing Antifa that you shouldn't be forced to live the way they want you to live.

01:33:17.000 Like, what do you do if someone walks up to you and says, you are now going to adhere to all of our rules or else?

01:33:22.000 Do you say, okay!

01:33:24.000 This is why we're in a bad spot.

01:33:25.000 We're forced to play a game that we don't want to play.

01:33:28.000 Right.

01:33:29.000 And we're playing rules that we by the rules that we don't want to play by, which is the other side thinks that political violence is OK.

01:33:36.000 They're willing to trash people and the media allows it.

01:33:38.000 Right.

01:33:39.000 And they believe that they're morally justified and that we're morally inferior and that we believe to be executed for treason.

01:33:45.000 So at some point we have to just accept that we're playing a game we don't want to play with rules that we don't like.

01:33:50.000 And we know there's no option.

01:33:52.000 Here's the issue.

01:33:54.000 I think us, for a show like this, and the people who watch, we're all relatively in the middle, in terms of just kinda like chillin' and having conversations.

01:34:02.000 But then you have the far left and the far right, and to whatever extent they're far left and far right, just further left and further right.

01:34:08.000 When the left looks over to the right, they see us all having a conversation.

01:34:13.000 And behind us, they see the right.

01:34:15.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:34:16.000 I'll give you the real story.

01:34:19.000 When I was in Boston during this big protest, a bunch of Trump supporters, behind them was a guy waving a Confederate flag.

01:34:25.000 When I talked to the Democratic Socialist guys, they said, look at them, they're waving a Confederate flag.

01:34:30.000 And I said, well, that's one guy in the back.

01:34:32.000 The people in front aren't.

01:34:34.000 And he was like, but it's just one big group.

01:34:36.000 And I was like, Really?

01:34:37.000 Is it?

01:34:38.000 The same was true for this group.

01:34:40.000 There was a bunch of lefty protesters, and then there was a row of Antifa with crowbars and bats wearing all black.

01:34:47.000 You go and talk to the Trump supporters, they go, look at them!

01:34:49.000 They're supporting these extremists with crowbars and bats.

01:34:52.000 And I was like, What happens is, the people on the left, when they look to their right, they don't understand the depth of difference between the center and the far right.

01:35:01.000 They just see, to them, it's one group all standing around on the right.

01:35:05.000 Yeah, that's the phenomenon of depth perception.

01:35:08.000 And you can't see depth perception with one eye.

01:35:10.000 You need two eyes.

01:35:11.000 And if you're one of the eyes, then you need an external feedback source to understand the other.

01:35:17.000 And it can't be the other.

01:35:18.000 That's why understanding other perspectives... You have to triangulate it.

01:35:21.000 So here's my point.

01:35:21.000 Listen.

01:35:23.000 We had Lynn Wood saying Mike Pence committed treason and Roberts and all that stuff.

01:35:28.000 You do have elements of the Trump right who say things like treason and sedition, calling cops treasonous and traitors.

01:35:36.000 And it's really funny when I'm seeing the Trump supporters say you're a traitor to the cop and I'm like, yeah, the left says the same thing.

01:35:41.000 You know, I'm not saying their ideals are the same, or their principles are the same, or their actions are the same, but there's similarities in the words they use.

01:35:46.000 Whose streets?

01:35:47.000 Our streets, and things like that.

01:35:49.000 What ends up happening is, it's like I described, you know, regular people in the middle, the left will look at us and call us all far right.

01:35:56.000 You're all the same.

01:35:57.000 It's like, well, we don't want any of the violence.

01:35:58.000 We just want to chill, hang out, and you know, work, and feed our families, and kind of have a good time, but peace, love, kindness, and all that stuff.

01:36:05.000 I don't know, man.

01:36:06.000 We kill animals for a living.

01:36:08.000 To survive, to eat their meat.

01:36:10.000 Well, yeah, because that's race, life.

01:36:13.000 This animal destruction.

01:36:14.000 Have you seen nature?

01:36:16.000 Yes, they all eat each other.

01:36:17.000 Chaotic.

01:36:18.000 And so, listen, listen.

01:36:19.000 The fundamental argument that I take issue with, like, oh, but we kill animals.

01:36:23.000 Well, of course we do.

01:36:23.000 Animals kill each other for food all the time.

01:36:25.000 And humans are animals.

01:36:26.000 Not that we eat each other.

01:36:27.000 Well, we're probably... I don't see anybody complaining, that lion just ate that gazelle.

01:36:31.000 Right.

01:36:32.000 And it's super violent, but we don't have any issue with it because they're not human, for some reason.

01:36:36.000 And we don't have issue of humans eating cows.

01:36:38.000 Right, because we have to enforce the fact that we're at the top of the food chain.

01:36:41.000 But if humans eat humans, we go crazy.

01:36:44.000 Or if humans eat dogs, I guess that's a big deal.

01:36:46.000 Yes, because of encephalopathy.

01:36:48.000 Is that what it's called?

01:36:48.000 Or what if they eat dogs?

01:36:50.000 Or encephalitis?

01:36:50.000 I mean, why do people hate that humans eat dogs in the U.S.

01:36:54.000 but not in China?

01:36:54.000 Yeah, they're domesticated.

01:36:55.000 Why?

01:36:55.000 Because they mimic little children and they love you.

01:36:57.000 I love you, it's so weird.

01:36:58.000 I don't know, is it how violence is okay sometimes if the military authorizes it?

01:37:01.000 It's totally fine.

01:37:02.000 If it's not authorized though, then it's wrong.

01:37:04.000 No, no, no, you misunderstand.

01:37:05.000 I think most of us here are opposing war and conflict and don't want that to happen.

01:37:10.000 The issue is there are other people that love it.

01:37:12.000 Neocons and neolibs are like, more war, don't let Trump pull the troops out.

01:37:16.000 We gotta be in Syria.

01:37:17.000 I think that's a bad thing.

01:37:18.000 I think it's stupid.

01:37:20.000 That's why I'm like, you know what, man?

01:37:22.000 Here's the challenge.

01:37:23.000 Let's get away from the current events and talk about the general bigger picture.

01:37:29.000 How do you do what's right to save the world or whatever and when are you morally justified in doing so?

01:37:34.000 If the Democrats and the Republicans together vote for war, And then send American soldiers overseas and their civilians are dying, whether through, you know, malicious intent or negligence from American soldiers and our allies.

01:37:46.000 Oil is being taken.

01:37:47.000 Poppy fields are being guarded.

01:37:48.000 All this really awful stuff.

01:37:50.000 And no one in America seems to be able to do anything about it.

01:37:54.000 Do we just say, well, I'm going to go, you know, get a farm and just ignore everything?

01:37:58.000 How do you fight to stop really, really bad things from happening?

01:38:01.000 There's a serious moral challenge.

01:38:04.000 We could just say, all this bad stuff's happening.

01:38:07.000 I'm out.

01:38:08.000 I'm not going to be involved.

01:38:09.000 You know, I want to mind my own business.

01:38:11.000 But what do you do?

01:38:12.000 All it takes for... What was that saying?

01:38:13.000 All it takes for evil to succeed is for a good man to do nothing?

01:38:17.000 Are you asking, like, if we observe an evil occurring in the world, why don't we go and take care of it?

01:38:23.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:38:24.000 I'm just saying, like, it's really difficult to have... I guess I'll put it this way.

01:38:31.000 This is a system built by billions of people that all kind of agree, inadvertently or otherwise, and it's hard to stop the system from doing what it does.

01:38:41.000 And so it's easy to just be like, walk away from it, and then fighting to change it seems to be futile for a lot of people.

01:38:49.000 And I mean like, you know, politics and voting and protests.

01:38:51.000 All the protests we had against war, like, what did that accomplish?

01:38:54.000 Not a whole lot, we're still there.

01:38:56.000 It's tough to say.

01:38:57.000 Maybe we'd be at more if we didn't protest it.

01:38:58.000 It's true.

01:38:59.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:39:00.000 We'd be at more if people didn't vote for Trump.

01:39:02.000 The top of the food chain argument.

01:39:03.000 We all kind of agree with that as a human.

01:39:05.000 You know, how do we?

01:39:07.000 That's a dangerous... It's whatever our self-interest is.

01:39:09.000 That's what happens.

01:39:10.000 That's why we get interested in the Middle East.

01:39:12.000 Oh, we're energy dependent.

01:39:13.000 Oh, and we want to protect democracy in Israel.

01:39:15.000 The problem with... Self-motivated.

01:39:18.000 We have people right now that are telling us the world's on fire.

01:39:20.000 Resources are being depleted.

01:39:21.000 So we have to great reset.

01:39:23.000 Right.

01:39:23.000 And COVID is the perfect opportunity to do it.

01:39:26.000 The only problem is China isn't.

01:39:27.000 They're doing all of the same stuff.

01:39:30.000 So, what ends up happening?

01:39:32.000 We agree to chill out and calm down, not spend stuff, and go live sustainably, and then in a hundred years, everyone's pumping oil and gas like crazy because China has taken influence over, you know, taken the influence on the planet, the most influence, and now everyone's just kind of living the way they want them to live.

01:39:49.000 And they're going to keep producing greenhouse gases and carbon emissions and all that stuff people in America and Europe claim is bad.

01:39:55.000 That's why it's just like, it feels like we're on a collision course.

01:39:59.000 And that's why I often say, you know, not to be pessimistic, but I remember it was only a few weeks ago when something happened with like some political violence and I said, look, I can tell you that maybe it all ends here.

01:40:11.000 Maybe this is the time it finally stops because everyone says it's gone too far.

01:40:16.000 Or maybe it escalates because people want retribution and revenge.

01:40:19.000 Is violence the natural order of being human?

01:40:22.000 Are we... Should we just accept it?

01:40:24.000 But then that's like, you can't just accept it.

01:40:26.000 I said earlier, I think we're revolving past it.

01:40:28.000 It doesn't work.

01:40:29.000 The Enlightenment has brought us out of barbarism.

01:40:31.000 What has incited so many... How did Trump get elected?

01:40:35.000 Partly because of far-left riots and protesting not being taken seriously and people getting mad about it.

01:40:40.000 It was a big culture war issue with, you know, hands up, don't shoot and things like that.

01:40:44.000 Now we have, like, you know, Luke mentioned, Sally Cone or whatever saying, you know, that, oh, she doesn't like him, but you got to understand him.

01:40:50.000 And you have Jake, uh, Cuomo saying, who said protests had to be, you know, peaceful or whatever?

01:40:54.000 It's right there in the First Amendment.

01:40:56.000 Just look it up, Cuomo.

01:40:57.000 You have that, and it creates an opposition where they're like, how dare you say these things are okay?

01:41:02.000 And people get mad about it.

01:41:04.000 So I think, I think violence is becoming less and less effective.

01:41:06.000 That's a great thing because we want to get rid of it.

01:41:09.000 It's different kind of violence.

01:41:10.000 It's a violence in your brain.

01:41:13.000 It's a violence in your heart.

01:41:14.000 I'm trying to make is for now.

01:41:15.000 I don't think it's a natural order of things.

01:41:17.000 I think it is phasing out, but just because it's phasing out doesn't

01:41:20.000 mean we won't see an escalation.

01:41:22.000 It's different kind of violence.

01:41:24.000 It's a violence in your brain.

01:41:25.000 It's a violence in your heart.

01:41:27.000 It's a violence for control of your thoughts, of your emotions.

01:41:29.000 It's more invasive in some ways.

01:41:31.000 It's like this, I'm sorry.

01:41:33.000 It's like that star Trek, the old one where like, they didn't have war anymore.

01:41:36.000 They just like, everybody like went to their chamber to receive their,

01:41:39.000 like, you know, dose of misery or whatever.

01:41:41.000 What I'm saying is you go back several hundred years and you see these

01:41:45.000 memes where people are like, the founding fathers would have been, you

01:41:48.000 know, storming the gates by now or something like that, and it's like,

01:41:50.000 yeah, back then we don't do that now.

01:41:51.000 However, you can still see a ton of violence, just because violence is receding overall doesn't mean it's not gonna increase in the short term.

01:41:57.000 What I'm saying is, after today, Does anyone think things are going to get calmer and this is finally the moment where everyone says, wow, we should stop and everyone should chill out and hug and unify?

01:42:07.000 No.

01:42:08.000 Not with the rhetoric on the mainstream media.

01:42:09.000 No.

01:42:10.000 Cori Bush is saying that Republicans committed treason for supporting the president.

01:42:14.000 I don't think we're bystanders to whatever happens.

01:42:16.000 I think we're creating it and we're altering our path right now, especially when you have this internet video where we can reach, I don't know, a hundred thousand people at once, a million people at once in a second.

01:42:27.000 We can all think the same thing for a second.

01:42:30.000 So maybe we could make a peaceful future.

01:42:34.000 Maybe we can convince 100,000 people to make graphene.

01:42:38.000 I want to make a giant campus where we can have every American tax funded together and then everyone can go there for a couple weeks in their lifetime to learn how to use lasers to create graphene.

01:42:51.000 And then all the graphene that we produce with our taxpayer money will be free for the people to recoup.

01:42:56.000 So when we start selling cars with graphene bodies, we'll discount the cost of the body off of the car for the people.

01:43:01.000 Well, we're going to get this big old farmland and we're going to build a bunch of fun stuff.

01:43:04.000 And we're going to have lasers and airplanes and jet packs.

01:43:08.000 I'm on my way.

01:43:09.000 I'm on my way as well.

01:43:10.000 I'm taking a timber framing course this summer.

01:43:13.000 I want to learn how to do timber framing because I want to be able to go Let's do it.

01:43:17.000 Let's do it.

01:43:17.000 chop down the tree, mill it on site, build the structure.

01:43:21.000 That's my goal.

01:43:22.000 With the tree from the site, chopped, felled, and milled, and built on site.

01:43:26.000 That's my plan.

01:43:28.000 That's my 2021 goal to become basic at that.

01:43:31.000 Did you see Chris Martinson on the show last week, Peak Prosperity?

01:43:35.000 I did not.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, we gotta have you guys on together someday.

01:43:38.000 He has his own farm.

01:43:39.000 Yeah, he's like 90 acres.

01:43:40.000 Oh, let's do it, let's do it.

01:43:41.000 I love that guy.

01:43:42.000 Hey Tim, can I bring my chainsaw up here and practice chopping down trees on your property?

01:43:47.000 Can I bring my chainsaw up here and practice chopping down trees on your property?

01:43:51.000 It's conservation.

01:43:52.000 Sadly.

01:43:53.000 But once we're in West Virginia and we have to have the trees taken down, we're gonna need some help.

01:43:56.000 It's really expensive.

01:43:57.000 I was looking at, like, maybe could I go to Rock Creek Park and practice?

01:44:01.000 You really cannot.

01:44:02.000 It's like a felony.

01:44:02.000 Go to a national forest?

01:44:04.000 Go to a national forest, start chopping down trees?

01:44:06.000 I think that's proud on.

01:44:06.000 Bad news.

01:44:07.000 Yeah, that property you're looking at has so many trees on it that we'd have to pay people to take them.

01:44:11.000 Definitely.

01:44:12.000 Take it, so let's do it.

01:44:13.000 We should coordinate, Tim.

01:44:14.000 I'm probably looking in the same area as you are.

01:44:16.000 Middle of nowhere.

01:44:17.000 Yep.

01:44:18.000 Build in Appalachia Stan domes and you know dome housing super cheap self-sustainable teach people how to just you know If someone can get this dude Kanye he builds come help us Kanye.

01:44:28.000 Do you do you know about earth houses, dude?

01:44:31.000 Yeah, that's where you build them kind of earth ship.

01:44:33.000 Maybe oh Yes.

01:44:34.000 Where you build it underground, kind of in the side of a... That's your jam right there, bro.

01:44:39.000 And then use recovered glass bottles and stick it in the wall to make like... But you can finish it up looking beautiful.

01:44:44.000 Like beautiful.

01:44:45.000 I've seen finished products.

01:44:46.000 Beautiful.

01:44:47.000 Because they're kind of like don't.

01:44:48.000 Yeah.

01:44:49.000 I've studied those and reported on them back in the day.

01:44:51.000 Oh, sweet.

01:44:51.000 I've seen like first rate high end finishes.

01:44:55.000 Can't see any of the tires, any of the bottles, anything.

01:44:58.000 Everything looks beautiful and like beautiful.

01:45:00.000 You fill up tires with dirt and then they end up making like brick.

01:45:04.000 The guy said the tires are the most abundant resource.

01:45:07.000 Tires?

01:45:08.000 Yeah.

01:45:08.000 Wow.

01:45:09.000 You know, normally we would do Super Chats, but we don't have any.

01:45:11.000 Let's check Twitter.

01:45:12.000 If you want to send me $500 Super Chat to my Twitter mention, please go right ahead.

01:45:18.000 Apple Pay.

01:45:19.000 Have you been checking Twitter, Luke?

01:45:21.000 Oh, yes.

01:45:21.000 I've been checking all the news that's breaking right now on my house floor.

01:45:25.000 Everything's happening.

01:45:26.000 I mean, it's just absolutely crazy.

01:45:28.000 A pig ran in and stole someone's sandwich.

01:45:30.000 Right now, I'm watching a meme of Spock playing four different chess matches, and it says the United States attempting a right-wing coup d'etat in Latin America.

01:45:39.000 And then next to it is a baby playing checkers saying the United States attempting a right-wing coup on itself.

01:45:46.000 So that's the meme that I'm currently on right now, which I think should spark some interesting conversations.

01:45:50.000 Is it a right-wing coup or is it something that will bolster the security apparatus and mass surveillance?

01:45:54.000 Potato, potato.

01:45:55.000 I think we see what's going to be happening.

01:45:58.000 If you want to look, you know, a lot of people always say Kibona, who benefits?

01:46:02.000 I think that's something that we have to keep an eye on in the long term of things.

01:46:05.000 We do have some breaking news, though.

01:46:08.000 The First Lady's Chief of Staff and former White House Press Secretary resigns over the violent protests.

01:46:13.000 It's from CNN.

01:46:14.000 Stephanie Grisham, former White House Communications Director and Press Secretary and Chief of Staff for the First Lady Melania Trump, submitted her resignation Wednesday afternoon, effective immediately in the wake of the violent protests at the White House.

01:46:27.000 They say, quote, has been an honor to serve the country in the White House.

01:46:30.000 I'm very proud to have been here.

01:46:31.000 The first ladies did not respond.

01:46:33.000 And then they go on and talk about just what happened.

01:46:35.000 So we're getting some resignations now.

01:46:37.000 I got a I got a question by son of a B at.

01:46:41.000 That's the thing.

01:46:41.000 He says, What do you think the American populist movement should do from here?

01:46:45.000 That's what he asked me to through my Twitter account.

01:46:49.000 Luke, we are changed specifically for questions for us right now.

01:46:53.000 What do you guys think?

01:46:54.000 I mean, we have to develop the bench.

01:46:56.000 That's something.

01:46:57.000 We need new, young leaders across the board.

01:46:59.000 There needs to be somebody coming up from behind.

01:47:02.000 I did see Eric and Donald Jr.

01:47:04.000 and Kimberly and everybody giving speeches today.

01:47:07.000 I don't know that that's the right long term strategy.

01:47:10.000 I think today was just decimated.

01:47:13.000 Yeah.

01:47:13.000 So where is the bench?

01:47:15.000 Where's the depth?

01:47:17.000 Are there any other young leaders?

01:47:19.000 Who's the future?

01:47:20.000 That's a question.

01:47:21.000 I'd like to rally around an idea rather than a person, personally.

01:47:24.000 I think that we could build an Internet Bill of Rights, which is kind of what we're doing at Mines, with the terms of service.

01:47:31.000 Because everything's getting so digital, you know, we're interacting so much online that like a rights-based future Internet future could be something that or it's it's this is the boring stuff that will only get like mediocre true retweets But it's a death die death.

01:47:45.000 Yeah, mine's bill of rights.

01:47:47.000 Yes Mine is just radical self-independence.

01:47:50.000 Yes, we got agreed.

01:47:51.000 We got another comment by my shower who says bring back your puppy Of course Captain Ron says, this is a spicy one, my veteran brothers and sisters are not looking for a war or a fight.

01:48:03.000 We are looking to protect our homeland.

01:48:05.000 Tell Ian to not talk about our mindset when he was never even served or understands.

01:48:11.000 You know, I've studied, I, I, I got your back on this one, man.

01:48:14.000 I've never served in the military.

01:48:16.000 I've studied and I've listened to a lot of like returning Vietnam veterans talk about their time in the jungle and a lot of people facing combat.

01:48:22.000 I've listened to a lot of their stories.

01:48:24.000 Um, And I know that there is, like we were talking about the nightcrawler thing, like, there's a phenomena in reality where you become trained to live what you do.

01:48:33.000 And so I know that no one wants to create destruction in the United States, but there is no boogeyman.

01:48:40.000 So we sometimes we just got to accept that.

01:48:42.000 Yep, at bad habit podcast says will Trump reveal anything classified to the public in two weeks?

01:48:49.000 No, he won't be there.

01:48:50.000 Yeah, because they're talking about invoking the 25th now.

01:48:53.000 But more importantly, Trump has been didn't order several people to release it.

01:48:58.000 They just don't do it.

01:49:00.000 That's what that's what happened before.

01:49:01.000 I mean, the entire administration, not entire, largely been impotent in many ways, fumbling around, not make it, and stymied, stymied and thwarted from the inside.

01:49:11.000 I talked to a couple of Trump staffers.

01:49:14.000 I had Amanda Millis on the show, and I asked her specifically, how many true, like, MAGA folks are in the White House or nearby?

01:49:22.000 And she's like, a handful.

01:49:24.000 In the whole freaking administration.

01:49:26.000 And my other guys in the White House tell me the same thing.

01:49:29.000 It's just, there's a handful, just a small group of people fighting the whole time against McMaster's and fighting the whole time against Bolton, a deep state and everybody that he's never had the, he's never had because he didn't build it.

01:49:41.000 Let's just put it squarely.

01:49:42.000 We just saw the military who are like, we're, we're just not going to tell you that we're not actually pulling people out of the Middle East.

01:49:48.000 We're just not going to tell you, even though you're the commander in chief, that's fine.

01:49:51.000 That's normal.

01:49:53.000 Another question by at aspiring rebel predictions for the next 14 days Anyone want to take this one?

01:50:00.000 I don't think the 25th Amendment thing happens.

01:50:02.000 I don't think impeachment happens.

01:50:03.000 I think that everything calms down, and then we have the inauguration, and then that's it, and then who knows what happens after that.

01:50:09.000 I really don't think... I don't agree.

01:50:12.000 What do you think is going to happen between now and then?

01:50:14.000 I don't think it's going to be nothing.

01:50:15.000 I don't think it's going to be calm.

01:50:17.000 I think it's going to be hysterics and theatrics.

01:50:21.000 Theatrics, sure.

01:50:22.000 Theatrics are a given.

01:50:24.000 Well, everyone's already quitting.

01:50:25.000 People are starting to resign.

01:50:27.000 Objections are being dropped.

01:50:29.000 Joe Biden will be president.

01:50:31.000 There's not going to be a path.

01:50:33.000 That's it.

01:50:33.000 It's over.

01:50:34.000 It's over for Trump.

01:50:37.000 It's not so much about even Trump.

01:50:39.000 It's about what Trump supporters, and especially people who are there in D.C.

01:50:42.000 We might... I don't know if we'll see it immediately, though, in the next 14 days, but I'd imagine there's gonna be a lot of arrests.

01:50:47.000 Baked Alaska.

01:50:48.000 these people who are like live streaming themselves breaking into Pelosi's office and using the

01:50:51.000 phone and laughing about it.

01:50:52.000 Unfortunately, I think that should happen.

01:50:54.000 Big arrests.

01:50:55.000 Baked Alaska.

01:50:56.000 People that are like carrying statues out of the Capitol building after vandalizing

01:51:00.000 and carrying the podium and smiling.

01:51:02.000 It's like Antifa wears masks.

01:51:03.000 You know, I feel like, um, this Viking guy that went and stood up in the, or there was somebody in like all gold standing up.

01:51:09.000 It reminds me of Camacho from Idiocracy.

01:51:11.000 And I think he's a Viking guy.

01:51:12.000 I think the media is trying to spin it to make these people look like the Idiocrats from Idiocracy.

01:51:19.000 So that they did go in with a guy in a Viking suit.

01:51:21.000 Like, I am now the commander in chief, weird, you know.

01:51:26.000 I mean, if you went into the Capitol building, picked up property, took a picture of it, and put it on the internet, you are one of the imbeciles.

01:51:32.000 Yes, and you should be put in jail, I'm sorry to say.

01:51:34.000 100%.

01:51:34.000 That's a high crime, man.

01:51:37.000 100%.

01:51:37.000 Smiling on camera, filming themselves do it.

01:51:41.000 Stealing things out of the Capitol.

01:51:42.000 Trump could issue a pardon.

01:51:44.000 He could pardon everybody.

01:51:45.000 He's not gonna.

01:51:49.000 Look, I am so mixed.

01:51:51.000 I am so mixed about today.

01:51:52.000 Look, I understand why people are upset.

01:51:54.000 I see it.

01:51:55.000 I see critical race theory.

01:51:56.000 I see all of our institutions captured and failing.

01:51:59.000 I see our institutions making us sick.

01:52:01.000 They're making us fat.

01:52:02.000 They're making us stupid.

01:52:04.000 They're putting us in debt.

01:52:05.000 They're creating slaves to the system.

01:52:07.000 It's happening.

01:52:07.000 The institutions want you dead or not dead.

01:52:09.000 They want you barely alive, sick, fat, and in debt and working at a slave job for the rest of your entire life.

01:52:15.000 The institutions have failed us.

01:52:17.000 I understand.

01:52:17.000 The politicians have failed us.

01:52:19.000 I understand why they're upset.

01:52:21.000 And I feel the urge to do something, man.

01:52:23.000 Remember when they were tearing down statues, like, around June or July?

01:52:27.000 I was on vacation.

01:52:27.000 I was in Virginia Beach, and I saw the statues coming down.

01:52:30.000 I just wanted to explode!

01:52:32.000 I just wanted to get in my car and drive to D.C.

01:52:33.000 and do something!

01:52:36.000 I understand the urge.

01:52:37.000 I understand what happened today.

01:52:39.000 Everything you said save the tearing down of statues, you know, being sick, being, you know, in debt, go live out in the middle of nowhere and survive on your own.

01:52:47.000 Don't be reliant on the system.

01:52:50.000 Consume less, use less, grow more.

01:52:51.000 There are answers, right?

01:52:53.000 There are answers, but it's a long push.

01:52:58.000 But we also have to know, depending on who the attorney general is, it depends if someone will actually face the true ramifications for their crimes.

01:53:06.000 So we also have to understand we're at a political phase where right now, if your attorney general believes in the same politics as you, you could, you can get away with crimes and people have gotten away with crimes because of that.

01:53:17.000 That means in what, 15 days or whatever, the, you know, whoever's going to be coming in.

01:53:21.000 Joe Biden called it an insurrection.

01:53:23.000 Yeah.

01:53:23.000 And he is going to, you know, they say, throw the book at you.

01:53:26.000 Now he's going to throw the whole, like, library at people.

01:53:29.000 Yeah.

01:53:29.000 It's going to be these people who are in this building who came in.

01:53:32.000 Joe Biden called it an insurrection.

01:53:34.000 So what penalty will they face?

01:53:36.000 So just so people know, we're reading comments.

01:53:39.000 People were asked to send in the comments to Lydia, to Ian, to Jack, to me.

01:53:44.000 I don't know if you guys want to send out your Twitter handles.

01:53:47.000 That'd be at Jack Murphy Live, guys.

01:53:49.000 Give me Ian Crossland.

01:53:51.000 I'm collecting them at LukeWeAreChange.

01:53:55.000 So I was noticing a trend in the question.

01:53:57.000 The basic question is everyone I think is pretty shocked.

01:54:00.000 Everyone's like, where do we go from here?

01:54:01.000 I don't know.

01:54:02.000 I have no idea.

01:54:02.000 Like, where does the MAGA crowd go?

01:54:04.000 That's literally what I was going to read by a comment by Ash Bilo, who says, I'm a small business owner in Wisconsin.

01:54:10.000 I just wanted freedom.

01:54:11.000 What hope do we have now?

01:54:15.000 We gotta think outside the box on this.

01:54:17.000 This system is very corrupt.

01:54:20.000 This left and right paradigm is flawed, to put it gently.

01:54:26.000 What were you gonna say, Tim?

01:54:28.000 I hope that these people didn't think their hope was going to be...

01:54:32.000 a ragtag bunch of Trump supporters in the Capitol.

01:54:34.000 Yeah, you're not going to be able to vote someone in that fixes this.

01:54:38.000 The system is built to keep us in debt.

01:54:40.000 It's a... we're under the thumb of a global monopoly right now.

01:54:43.000 And the United States has been hijacked by a mind parasite that is the Federal Reserve

01:54:48.000 that's using our military to maintain its strength around the world.

01:54:53.000 And so we need a better system.

01:54:55.000 I think cryptocurrency is a great one.

01:54:56.000 So if you want to protect your future finances, you might want to consider divesting or diversifying out of the U.S.

01:55:02.000 dollar and holding other types of currencies.

01:55:04.000 And I think, like you were saying, sustainability.

01:55:07.000 At a local level.

01:55:08.000 I'm continuously urging my parents to put solar panels on their houses because the cost of electricity could be $700 a month all of a sudden.

01:55:15.000 Well, I said personal radical responsibility, not sustainability.

01:55:18.000 I agree.

01:55:19.000 I agree with what you're saying.

01:55:20.000 And then independence as well.

01:55:22.000 And I've been working on this with guys in the liminal order as well.

01:55:25.000 We talk about traditional homesteading, like being able to go to the land and make it work for you.

01:55:30.000 We now need to think also about info homesteading.

01:55:33.000 There's more info than there's land.

01:55:35.000 There's more data out there.

01:55:36.000 There is gold in the info and data hills.

01:55:39.000 You have to figure out, you have to learn how to draw that gold out of the information landscape.

01:55:45.000 It's a separate way.

01:55:46.000 It's a whole different universe, a way of being self-sufficient.

01:55:49.000 There's self-sufficient with your land and with your energy and with your food.

01:55:53.000 There's self-sufficient with mining the information space that's out there.

01:55:57.000 And if you can combine those two together, you no longer want to be off the grid.

01:56:01.000 You want to be off the grids you want off of and on the grids you want to be on.

01:56:05.000 And that's what I'm looking for.

01:56:06.000 That's what I'm aiming for, that duality.

01:56:09.000 Off the bad grids, on the good grids with a community and a network of my choice.

01:56:14.000 Or Trump supporters can all pool their money, buy an island, and create MAGA country.

01:56:22.000 I'll be right there.

01:56:24.000 I'm down for building an island.

01:56:25.000 A friend of mine builds islands out of recovered plastic.

01:56:28.000 His name is Richard Sova off the coast of Mexico, and he floats around on these solar-powered islands.

01:56:34.000 Well, the islands have solar panels on them.

01:56:36.000 He says that they can actually float and fly because you create heat over the island

01:56:40.000 because of the trees that he plants so you get all this recovered plastic put it

01:56:43.000 in burlap sacks then you put a layer of dirt then another bunch of bags of

01:56:46.000 plastic another layer of dirt and then you plant trees the roots bind it

01:56:49.000 all together and then you float it around and because of the heat that produces

01:56:52.000 above apparently you could create some sort of lift I don't know about that

01:56:56.000 Richard Sovitz, S-O-W-A.

01:56:59.000 A lot of libertarians like seasteading, but I don't think that's what you're describing.

01:57:06.000 We have another comment by NeverSummer160 who says, my super chat, I promise I'll buy one next time you're live if you read this.

01:57:15.000 Deleting my Twitter.

01:57:16.000 Basically, the only reason I kept it was for Trump.

01:57:19.000 Would love to see how their traffic drops once they can ban him on the Before Trump, Twitter was collapsing.

01:57:28.000 It was collapsing.

01:57:29.000 The stock was going down, user base was in massive decline.

01:57:32.000 Twitter changed their metrics for reporting to shareholders and investors.

01:57:37.000 They used to go by daily users, now they go by monthly.

01:57:40.000 Because it like made it look bigger but going by daily showed the decline they were in and then Trump came along

01:57:45.000 It started tweeting a whole bunch of crazy and everybody started flocking to Twitter now Trump suspended from

01:57:51.000 Twitter and Facebook Why has he not gone to mines or parlor yet? I don't go to

01:57:56.000 mines Don Do it now.

01:57:58.000 You could be posting everything right now on any of these platforms.

01:58:00.000 A week after Biden gets sworn in, within a week, Trump's gonna just, he's not gonna be able to control himself, he's gonna tweet something, Twitter's gonna ban his account permanently.

01:58:09.000 Why?

01:58:10.000 Because he's a boomer.

01:58:11.000 You know what, I think it was a New York mag had this article where they wrote that The scenario they imagine is that the inauguration happens,

01:58:19.000 Trump is flying to Mar-a-Lago when he lands, a bunch of black SUVs pull up to the plane, FBI agents get

01:58:26.000 out, and then, you know, they're like, Trump, you need to come with us for questioning, and then

01:58:30.000 in fact they're arresting him on federal indictment or whatever. Now, I don't think the federal

01:58:34.000 government would do that, but I think the states might.

01:58:37.000 I think New York might, because they're currently ramping up a criminal probe into the Trump Organization, so they're going after him.

01:58:43.000 But they wouldn't be able to get him if he was in Florida?

01:58:46.000 They probably still would.

01:58:46.000 They still can.

01:58:48.000 This question is for Jack, and the person is at Ingus.

01:58:52.000 Michael says, Jack, you said that it hindered the vote on the floor, but they were going to do this anyway.

01:58:58.000 That is why they did this.

01:59:00.000 I was there.

01:59:00.000 I did not go in, but I think they were going to ignore us anyway.

01:59:04.000 There's a lot of this is in that question.

01:59:06.000 I'm assuming what he meant was that there were going to be no dissenting votes.

01:59:10.000 Yeah.

01:59:11.000 Well, not dissenting votes, but I think the process was done before twice in American history and both failed to do anything or change anything.

01:59:19.000 Sure.

01:59:20.000 So what did they fail to change other than make everything worse?

01:59:22.000 Yeah.

01:59:23.000 It just made it worse.

01:59:25.000 It went from worse to worse.

01:59:26.000 Yeah, that's great.

01:59:27.000 I've got one.

01:59:28.000 Okay.

01:59:29.000 Hey, Lydia, question for the show.

01:59:30.000 This is from Rob the Butcher.

01:59:32.000 I find it very interesting that the people in power praise destruction and violence when it is not near them, but once it is done near them, they call it the most despicable thing to be done in the history of their country.

01:59:42.000 Of course.

01:59:42.000 That's not really a question.

01:59:43.000 It's more of an observation.

01:59:44.000 Yes, 100% correct.

01:59:46.000 Not in my backyard.

01:59:47.000 Yeah, right.

01:59:47.000 Exactly.

01:59:48.000 There you go.

01:59:49.000 I got more.

01:59:50.000 At Lit Drummer Boy says, 1776 was over less.

01:59:52.000 Just saying.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, but that was, like we mentioned, several hundred years ago.

01:59:59.000 It was a different world back then.

02:00:00.000 Fewer people.

02:00:01.000 We need a technological revolution now.

02:00:03.000 I think I think in process, if people were using Bitcoin more and trading

02:00:10.000 different ways, like getting.

02:00:13.000 I mean, this is, like, embedded in what I am.

02:00:14.000 I've been doing it for a decade.

02:00:15.000 I like minds.

02:00:16.000 I'm on minds.

02:00:16.000 I use it.

02:00:16.000 using different ways to store value, being reliant on yourself.

02:00:19.000 You're so right about minds, dude.

02:00:20.000 I mean, this is like embedded in what I am.

02:00:22.000 I've been doing it for a decade.

02:00:24.000 Well, what, what, Trump creating minds, just using a free software social network

02:00:27.000 that doesn't track you.

02:00:29.000 I like minds.

02:00:29.000 I'm on minds, I use it.

02:00:30.000 I like it quite a bit.

02:00:32.000 Very useful tech.

02:00:33.000 This is one thing I think Trump supporters can do, especially, most of them are on Parler, I guess, is use different networks, decentralize, and start your own thing, man.

02:00:42.000 Start building your own thing.

02:00:43.000 You gotta build your own thing.

02:00:45.000 Go out and find some land in the middle of nowhere, and you can get it.

02:00:48.000 It's not that expensive in the middle of nowhere.

02:00:51.000 There's a reason for that.

02:00:52.000 Well, dig a hole, make a well, hunt a deer.

02:00:56.000 We suffer from a crisis of masculinity in America and some of the traits of masculine energy are to build and create and protect and provide.

02:01:03.000 Engage those sense of your masculine energy, man.

02:01:06.000 Build, create, protect, provide.

02:01:09.000 You can't protect if you're in the city and they can turn off your water if you decide to have Thanksgiving.

02:01:14.000 That was one of the things that really got me was just seeing what happened in California when the guy had a party.

02:01:21.000 Remember we talked about this?

02:01:23.000 He was a rich guy anyway.

02:01:24.000 Yeah, I know, but still the thought was there and then they turned off the freaking utilities to his house.

02:01:28.000 And they just made more videos and laughed about it.

02:01:30.000 It's easy when you're rich to do that.

02:01:32.000 I'm thinking about regular people.

02:01:33.000 I'm thinking about when I got doxxed and then my city got burned.

02:01:38.000 I got attacked by Antifa a number of times in the streets.

02:01:40.000 Hell, I got shot in the throat once this summer.

02:01:43.000 I felt like I didn't have anywhere to really retreat to.

02:01:46.000 Shot in the throat?

02:01:46.000 Yeah, I got shot in the throat by the cops on May 27th, May 28th.

02:01:50.000 With what?

02:01:51.000 With one of those rubber bullets.

02:01:52.000 Yeah, well, not a bullet.

02:01:54.000 I mean, I would have been the only person to think.

02:01:56.000 No, no, I got a rubber bullet right through the beard and my bandana.

02:01:59.000 Right through the beard?

02:02:00.000 How dare they?

02:02:01.000 I know.

02:02:01.000 And that was like on the first night where everything popped off for the first time.

02:02:05.000 But I didn't have a place to retreat to.

02:02:07.000 Like, okay, I've retreated to my city home, you know, where I'm still as vulnerable, where there's still people around me, where I still am completely dependent on other people for everything.

02:02:18.000 I needed a place where I can retreat and actually be safe and sovereign.

02:02:22.000 Yeah.

02:02:23.000 At Freedom Ring 13 says, what are your thoughts on peaceful secession?

02:02:28.000 No such thing.

02:02:29.000 No such thing.

02:02:30.000 Does not exist.

02:02:31.000 Why not?

02:02:32.000 Well, because whomever's in charge of leading the government and the Constitution has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution.

02:02:39.000 And historical precedent shows that if states secede from the Union, you attack them, evade them, you kill them, salt their fields, take their women, ruin their whole life until they say, OK, OK, OK, we won't leave.

02:02:49.000 Yeah, that's that's historical precedent.

02:02:52.000 I agree with that.

02:02:53.000 The War of Northern Aggression, as they call it.

02:02:55.000 A lot of comments, and I have to be honest here, is people saying, what do we do next?

02:03:00.000 And a lot of them are like, but they use violence.

02:03:02.000 So that's the main sentiment.

02:03:04.000 So they have the high ground.

02:03:06.000 That's the metaphor.

02:03:07.000 The media will protect them.

02:03:09.000 The pundits will approve of it.

02:03:10.000 And it's wrong to do it.

02:03:12.000 And like I said, they're looking uphill, seeing people pointing their weapons down, so they think, I'm going to point my weapons down.

02:03:17.000 It's like, well, you're firing into the ground.

02:03:19.000 Regarding that, what do we do next?

02:03:21.000 What do you want to be the outcome?

02:03:23.000 That's a question that you should ask yourself.

02:03:25.000 And then the answer should be, okay, peace is vague, though, because if you nuclear, well, Freedom's also vague.

02:03:33.000 Regarding peace, if you nuclear melt the entire Earth, there will be peace and calmness, although there will be no humans.

02:03:40.000 And if freedom could be, you're out in the middle of the woods starving with no clothes on, but you're free to do whatever you want.

02:03:47.000 So what do you want to be the outcome?

02:03:50.000 I got it.

02:03:51.000 All Trump supporters move to California, become residents, and then vote for secession?

02:03:56.000 Secession.

02:03:56.000 And then leave!

02:03:58.000 Get it?

02:03:59.000 Like scuttling the ship in the... I'm kidding.

02:04:00.000 That'd be great.

02:04:01.000 Well, they have an open ballot system where you could put certain issues on the ballot and then people could vote on it on popular demand.

02:04:08.000 So secession doesn't, as a joke, because it would require two-thirds of the states to approve, it would be an amendment to the Constitution and stuff like that.

02:04:13.000 So one thing people are asking about that I don't think we've touched on tonight is whether Antifa was involved.

02:04:18.000 Yes, I wanted to talk about that.

02:04:20.000 I don't think so.

02:04:21.000 But what do you think, Jack?

02:04:24.000 Here's what I think.

02:04:25.000 I think the Antifa has been waiting for this day for a year.

02:04:30.000 They wanted to do that 70 day siege or whatever of the White House that fell through.

02:04:35.000 But all those people from Portland and Seattle and across the country, they came here.

02:04:39.000 Like they're here, they travel across the country, they're in DC, right?

02:04:42.000 And they've been training and planning and festering and whatever for months now.

02:04:48.000 And we also saw throughout the summer that they changed their tactics based on changes of tactics by the police and the government.

02:04:55.000 And so there was a dance, there was an iteration.

02:04:57.000 They changed what they were doing, they changed the point of conflict, they changed their tactics.

02:05:03.000 I saw them at the last event.

02:05:05.000 They were in their own little private pen counter protesting right by the Capitol.

02:05:10.000 It was funny.

02:05:10.000 Seb Gorka walked right up from behind them into their little like death pit.

02:05:15.000 And it was a funny scene because I'm a big guy, by the way.

02:05:18.000 I'm 6'4, 250.

02:05:19.000 Seb Gorka is like, I'm like, I'm looking up at that guy.

02:05:22.000 That guy is massive.

02:05:23.000 And he was like, it was awesome.

02:05:26.000 But they were, they were clear there.

02:05:28.000 They've always counter demonstrated.

02:05:30.000 They weren't there today.

02:05:31.000 They weren't.

02:05:32.000 Where were they?

02:05:34.000 Weren't they saying that they were going to dress up as MAGA people?

02:05:37.000 No, there were people on Facebook I saw, Antifa people, posting the other day, don't go, let the fascists fight themselves.

02:05:43.000 That was a meme that was going around.

02:05:44.000 So that's what they posted the other day.

02:05:46.000 That's the thing about Antifa, you can just put on a MAGA hat and go.

02:05:49.000 So we don't know.

02:05:50.000 That's the thing about Antifa, you can put on a hoodie and you're Antifa.

02:05:52.000 You can dress like anything, it doesn't matter.

02:05:54.000 It's a disorganization.

02:05:56.000 That's right, just an idea.

02:05:59.000 What was the joke that all the Proud Boys were actually Antifa pretending to be Proud Boys and all the Antifa are actually Proud Boys pretending to be Antifa because they're both trying to make each other look bad?

02:06:07.000 I mean, that's basically it.

02:06:08.000 That's basically it.

02:06:11.000 It's mutual combat between those two groups.

02:06:14.000 And I say, hey, let them have it.

02:06:15.000 I believe in mutual combat.

02:06:16.000 If you consent to it, let's do it.

02:06:18.000 In some places it's legal.

02:06:20.000 Yeah, it would probably solve some of our bigger problems if we allowed little brush fryers to take place every once in a while.

02:06:27.000 Controlled violence is okay.

02:06:28.000 We used to have dueling.

02:06:29.000 And then, you know, it was interesting.

02:06:30.000 I was reading about why dueling ended.

02:06:32.000 And it was because the younger generation thought it was crazy that people were killing each other over honor.

02:06:36.000 So it stopped.

02:06:37.000 The next generation came in, and that's crazy.

02:06:39.000 Yeah, and like the duel with, what was it, Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton.

02:06:42.000 Apparently Hamilton didn't actually take the duel seriously.

02:06:46.000 And thought it was like one of those duels where, okay, we show up, you miss, we preserve our honor and we leave.

02:06:51.000 But Burr was like, I hate this guy.

02:06:53.000 Bang!

02:06:54.000 Yeah.

02:06:55.000 Yeah, so there's like different stories like Hamilton like purposefully missed thinking he was being a gentleman and then he got hit in the gut or whatever.

02:07:01.000 I wonder if that's true or if he actually just missed.

02:07:04.000 Yep.

02:07:04.000 And those are his followers.

02:07:05.000 Maybe.

02:07:06.000 History is written by the winners.

02:07:07.000 So I don't have Parler on my phone, otherwise I would check this myself, but there is a rumor that I'm seeing on Twitter that President Trump is actually on Parler, which is very interesting to me.

02:07:16.000 Tim, do you have Parler on your phone?

02:07:17.000 I don't.

02:07:18.000 Oh, let's find out.

02:07:19.000 Because I went to Google it and I can't really find, like, a topical article about it.

02:07:23.000 I only see, you know, Newsweek crapping all over Parler and Business Insider talking about how it's all a bunch of nonsense over there and pro-Trump riots and stuff.

02:07:32.000 So I would be really curious if Trump is actually on Parler, because that could be a defining moment for them.

02:07:37.000 Hopefully a movement towards... Here's one from Fez underscore Bori, Vice President-elect Harris Paint.

02:07:43.000 Does Tim Kast want to be, like, political Mr. Beast?

02:07:47.000 What does that mean?

02:07:48.000 I don't know.

02:07:48.000 I don't know much about Mr. Beast.

02:07:50.000 We give out donations to small businesses?

02:07:52.000 That'd be so fun!

02:07:53.000 We'd be like Dave Portnoy.

02:07:54.000 We can do it in the vlog.

02:07:55.000 Yeah, it'd be fun.

02:07:56.000 Go find small businesses or something.

02:07:58.000 A solid maybe, if that's what Mr. Beast does.

02:07:59.000 He gives donations to small businesses.

02:08:01.000 He does videos where he's like, I secretly left $1,000 for this waitress.

02:08:05.000 Let's film a reaction.

02:08:06.000 And the lady that's crying.

02:08:07.000 Tim is like that.

02:08:08.000 Yeah, he already is like that.

02:08:09.000 He'll just slip money into people's hands and pockets when they don't see it coming.

02:08:13.000 And then someone else mentioned the Unity Party, which I'm not convinced about the Unity Party.

02:08:17.000 I just love the idea of a new, fresh party.

02:08:20.000 We talked about this with Jack, I think, maybe last time or a couple times ago.

02:08:23.000 Yeah, Jack, what are your thoughts on the Unity Party at this point?

02:08:26.000 Is that Weinstein?

02:08:27.000 Yeah.

02:08:28.000 I think that they had a noble idea, wasn't the right time, didn't get put into practice, and they picked the wrong people, and a number of things.

02:08:36.000 But I do like his idea.

02:08:39.000 I mean, I talked to Brett on the phone about it.

02:08:41.000 He even asked me who I thought they should nominate for president.

02:08:44.000 And the person I suggested, he declined.

02:08:46.000 But, you know, is it going to be effective?

02:08:50.000 I don't know.

02:08:50.000 I think more of a hostile takeover of an existing party is probably the way to go.

02:08:55.000 There's a there's a long road to hope.

02:08:57.000 I'm not saying it hasn't happened in the past.

02:08:59.000 We've seen viable third parties in the past.

02:09:02.000 We've seen viable third party candidates even in my lifetime, although maybe not in some of your lifetime.

02:09:07.000 You younger folks.

02:09:08.000 Ross Perot was a real thing.

02:09:09.000 He had helped Clinton get elected with nary, what, 40% of the vote, I think?

02:09:13.000 Did he have big ears?

02:09:15.000 He had big ears, yeah.

02:09:16.000 The biggest.

02:09:17.000 So do you think that what happened today was them trying to attempt a hostile takeover?

02:09:21.000 No, no.

02:09:22.000 I think it was some angry people, angry people who felt let down and felt like this was them taking the last stand that they could to protect themselves, their family, the future of the Republic, all the, all the things that, that have a hint of truth, but, but also are overblown and used to manipulate people and give them hopes that something crazy was going to happen when nothing, nothing crazy was ever going to happen.

02:09:47.000 I feel like people might've been let down, you know, at the end of the speech.

02:09:51.000 Cause there was no big revelation and he basically was like, come on Mikey, do the right thing.

02:09:57.000 Except he kept saying this weird thing.

02:09:59.000 He kept saying, it's, it's courageous to do the right thing.

02:10:02.000 He goes, well, except actually being courageous.

02:10:05.000 It's more courageous sometimes to do nothing.

02:10:08.000 I don't, I didn't, he said it like three different times.

02:10:11.000 Was it a veiled threat?

02:10:12.000 I don't know.

02:10:13.000 It was like, it was just such a strange statement.

02:10:16.000 I didn't really understand it.

02:10:17.000 I'm trying to get people to stand down.

02:10:18.000 I can't, I can't find anything on Parler.

02:10:20.000 Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't convinced.

02:10:21.000 And then Melissa just asks, are you all going to start your own site?

02:10:25.000 We all need to get off from out from under the boot of YouTube.

02:10:28.000 And the answer to that is yes, that is something we are working on right now.

02:10:31.000 It's going to be super cool and it's going to go hand in hand with the vlog, which I'm very excited about.

02:10:35.000 I mean, I think it's critically important people set up their own databases and alternatives.

02:10:40.000 I set one up for wearechange.org.

02:10:42.000 I have my own email list.

02:10:43.000 No matter what happens, I still... I admire your independence, yeah.

02:10:46.000 Yeah, you have to.

02:10:46.000 You have to be as independent as you can nowadays.

02:10:49.000 You can't rely on anyone because it's only a matter of time.

02:10:52.000 I mean, the U.S.

02:10:52.000 President right now is blocked on Twitter and Facebook.

02:10:56.000 He can't send out any messages to the general public through social media.

02:11:00.000 Wow.

02:11:01.000 That has implications.

02:11:02.000 That's huge.

02:11:04.000 And, you know, there's a lot of different questions and a lot of spicy ones that I don't even know if I should bring up.

02:11:11.000 That are exactly why YouTube disabled chat for this show.

02:11:14.000 Yep, probably.

02:11:15.000 Do you, with your WeAreChange database, are you through AWS with Amazon?

02:11:21.000 I don't use Amazon.

02:11:22.000 No, I don't use Amazon.

02:11:24.000 I try to stay far away, as far as I can away from it.

02:11:27.000 Do you maintain like a database on site?

02:11:29.000 Or do you have someone maintaining like a local database?

02:11:31.000 I have a really good web developer, Dave Cahill.

02:11:34.000 He's been doing an incredible job for me and he does everything.

02:11:36.000 He sets up the servers.

02:11:37.000 He's just an amazing human being that's been one of my good friends that has been personally setting it up all for me to run independently of any possible systems out there.

02:11:46.000 I'll take this opportunity to say, considering that Super Chats and chats were disabled,

02:11:50.000 if you want to support the show, you can go to timcast.com forward slash donate,

02:11:54.000 if you so choose, and it would be greatly appreciated.

02:11:57.000 Normally Super Chats, you know, we read them and it helps support the show, but a bit too

02:12:02.000 spicy today, I suppose. So that's out It'll have to be social currency tonight, unless you want to jump in with something.

02:12:08.000 And you can actually send Tim Bitcoin.

02:12:10.000 I believe you have a Bitcoin address on there.

02:12:12.000 Of course, of course.

02:12:13.000 I got all that.

02:12:13.000 Do you have an Ethereum address as well?

02:12:15.000 I do.

02:12:16.000 Timcast.com is going to be changing to a unique site, and it's going to be the site for the podcast, and then members will get access to exclusive stuff and things like that.

02:12:24.000 So we're going that direction.

02:12:25.000 We also have, you know, sponsors now for the show every so often, which is great, which is, you know, basically because of things like this, right?

02:12:33.000 We read two sponsor spots this week already, and the good news is something like this happens where the Super Chats get disabled.

02:12:40.000 That's why I'm like, you know, we gotta be careful.

02:12:42.000 We gotta probably take on some sponsors.

02:12:44.000 Also, it's not that easy to get them, so I'm really grateful that we did, but we gotta make sure we find ways to survive after, you know, social media becomes Get creative.

02:12:53.000 Worse than it is, I guess.

02:12:55.000 You know, I'll tell you one thing.

02:12:58.000 I wonder what would be happening on Twitter if they didn't ban many of the most prominent Trump-supporting personalities.

02:13:05.000 What would they have been saying on Twitter while this was going down?

02:13:08.000 Because I saw some stuff from some high-profile people that I was like, I can't believe they tweeted that.

02:13:12.000 What?

02:13:12.000 Who?

02:13:13.000 Just encouragement.

02:13:15.000 To go do what they did today?

02:13:16.000 While it was going down, encouragement.

02:13:18.000 Interesting.

02:13:19.000 Right.

02:13:19.000 And I was like, I can only imagine.

02:13:21.000 Participation.

02:13:22.000 Some of them were there.

02:13:25.000 Some of them found themselves in the office of the speaker on her phone.

02:13:30.000 I don't know how that doesn't land you in jail, bro.

02:13:34.000 And Trump's going to be out of office.

02:13:36.000 There's not going to be any pardons for that.

02:13:38.000 No.

02:13:38.000 And if they put in a new AG, which they will.

02:13:41.000 Oh, for sure.

02:13:43.000 It's not Cuomo.

02:13:44.000 They announced, I think, who it was going to be already.

02:13:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:46.000 It was someone terrible, as I recall.

02:13:47.000 I just don't remember who.

02:13:48.000 Who?

02:13:49.000 Yikes.

02:13:49.000 I don't know.

02:13:49.000 I don't remember who.

02:13:51.000 I just have one more point to make.

02:13:53.000 I'm noticing a trend where people are being combative about whether or not this was a bad idea.

02:13:58.000 And you guys, I don't know what you know about the Patriot Act, but this is going to be a 50 times worse response.

02:14:04.000 You guys have no idea what is going to happen because of this.

02:14:08.000 We just got a full Democrat.

02:14:10.000 Democrats just won Georgia, guys.

02:14:12.000 We lost everything.

02:14:13.000 And this?

02:14:14.000 This is a wonderful combination.

02:14:15.000 President, House, Senate, and all the institutions.

02:14:18.000 And with that, the first point of order is going to be the insurrection and addressing it.

02:14:22.000 And some sweeping national security order and truth and reconciliation commissions.

02:14:27.000 And that will exacerbate the problem.

02:14:29.000 And that will be the Democrats gloating while they spray a flamethrower on the fire while they claim to be fighting against it.

02:14:34.000 And that's gonna make many of the people who are angry right now even angrier, and that's the problem.

02:14:38.000 And what do you do?

02:14:41.000 What happened today was, in my opinion, poorly thought, if not thought at all, and hurt everybody, and gives the Democrats an excuse to signal to their base, which they will do, and they're doing now, Cori Bush saying, it's treason then.

02:14:56.000 And that's gonna make more people feel anxious, scared, civil war trending, and then the Democrats will respond with some, you know, truth and reconciliation.

02:15:06.000 Yeah, that's going to make people go nuts.

02:15:08.000 Robespierre, during the French Revolution, they created the Committee of Public Safety, is what they called it.

02:15:13.000 And that's the committee that had 15,000 people beheaded, executed.

02:15:17.000 They were like political enemies of the revolution.

02:15:20.000 Yep.

02:15:20.000 It's coming.

02:15:21.000 Maybe more metaphorical, the beheadings, but they're definitely coming.

02:15:24.000 Yeah.

02:15:24.000 Yeah, we're well past that era, but something will happen.

02:15:27.000 It's going to be unpersonings.

02:15:29.000 It's going to be like, we're banning you from financial institutions and your access to research, like they've already been doing.

02:15:35.000 Is it called the Truth and Reconciliation?

02:15:38.000 That's a committee right now?

02:15:39.000 No.

02:15:40.000 The Democrats have been calling for Truth and Reconciliation Commissions and Military Tribunals.

02:15:44.000 And banning people from doing basic things like we already see some right wingers.

02:15:49.000 Expelling people from Congress.

02:15:51.000 CNBC is now reporting that the Flight Attendant Union wants pro-Trump rioters barred from flights.

02:15:58.000 So we're going to see similar actions.

02:16:00.000 We already saw PayPal ban a bunch of individuals.

02:16:02.000 We already saw banks ban other individuals because of their political opinion.

02:16:07.000 I think it's only fair that that's going to happen here.

02:16:08.000 And one of the questions was, what are you going to do when they ban you from buying land because of your political opinion?

02:16:14.000 That was one of the comments that people are sending me specifically here.

02:16:18.000 People are going to go insane.

02:16:20.000 It's got to be a human rights issue then at this point.

02:16:22.000 If the government's going to maintain a monopoly on finance, which they really want to, then it's got to be a human right.

02:16:28.000 We have to defend our human rights as Americans to finance.

02:16:33.000 So I have a good question, a really interesting question from Justin Graff, who says, is it possible that today's self-destruction of Trumpism may actually be a good thing for national populism in the long run?

02:16:45.000 Boogeyman is totally destroyed and the woke establishment train is too loud and fast to stop.

02:16:49.000 I don't think that they will think that this boogeyman is totally destroyed.

02:16:52.000 They're just going to keep spinning it out forever, whatever happens.

02:16:55.000 But I don't know.

02:16:55.000 Will it be good for it?

02:16:57.000 For populism in the long run?

02:16:58.000 No, I don't think so.

02:17:00.000 I think now what support Trump had is gone.

02:17:04.000 And Trump is absolutely an imperfect avatar for it.

02:17:08.000 But now it's the baby out with the bathwater, you know?

02:17:13.000 I don't like nationalism in general.

02:17:15.000 Nationalism and populism is what led to Hitler, what led to Mussolini, what led to Donald Trump.

02:17:20.000 And Nazis in America.

02:17:21.000 So dangerous.

02:17:23.000 The Federalists and wanting to form a nation and manifest destiny and all that stuff.

02:17:26.000 Well it was states' rights at first, the United States.

02:17:29.000 The Federalists weren't.

02:17:30.000 Yeah, but the reason we formed as a bunch of states working together, it wasn't like... And the United States was formed, I mean, Abraham Lincoln, he was a national unionist.

02:17:40.000 He was, and he suspended habeas corpus.

02:17:42.000 Yeah, it was crazy stuff, but... And permitted the war of northern aggressions, so... But I think people generally agree that Abraham Lincoln was one of our greatest presidents.

02:17:49.000 I like the guy.

02:17:50.000 From what I know about him, I like him.

02:17:51.000 I think there's a lot of division on that.

02:17:53.000 But he wasn't really a populist.

02:17:54.000 He ran against three other, there were four presidents running or people running for president when he got elected.

02:18:00.000 And he was kind of a nobody, but the least worst.

02:18:03.000 He won with like 33% of the vote.

02:18:05.000 I'll tell you what, look, I am all for one world government, unified currency and human beings.

02:18:12.000 So long as we have our freedoms, our rights, our constitution.

02:18:16.000 The problem is the people who are proposing this kind of stuff don't want that.

02:18:20.000 They want to take away your speech.

02:18:21.000 They want to take away your rights.

02:18:22.000 When Trump went to that meeting on hate speech in Europe, and they all signed this paper on, like, pledging to ban hate speech, Trump said, I can't do it.

02:18:29.000 It's a violation of our country's constitution.

02:18:31.000 And they were like, all these news reports come up saying, oh, harumph, Trump refuses to pledge to fight hate speech.

02:18:36.000 And it's like, he can't!

02:18:37.000 So the problem is, look, if China ends up taking over, then you get to live in a society where they'll weld your doors shut and let you die in your home of dehydration because they don't want to get sick.

02:18:49.000 In the United States, we have a constitution protecting individual liberties.

02:18:52.000 If the world was founded upon a similar constitution that guaranteed rights, I got no problem with that.

02:18:59.000 It's fine. That would be good. Yeah, the problem is people in this country in the world don't all agree with each

02:19:03.000 other and some people have really crazy fundamentalist views and will throw you off a building if you do things

02:19:08.000 they don't like.

02:19:08.000 Yeah. And so how do you... So what ends up happening is we say we have a nation, we have borders, so the people who

02:19:14.000 want to do us harm can't do that. We have to make sure we have security. So what do you do?

02:19:20.000 Maybe once we're unified around common human experience, and I don't know how long that'll take, we can be like, yay, we have one world where we all agree, but we don't.

02:19:28.000 We have disparate communities and cultures that very many of them hate each other and will fight each other.

02:19:34.000 It reminds me of this.

02:19:35.000 You guys, you guys know the Far Side, Gary Larson comics?

02:19:38.000 There's one where there's a terrarium and there's two aliens looking in and there's a grizzly bear roaring and like about to hit a human.

02:19:45.000 And he goes, you put incompatible species in the same container.

02:19:48.000 Like, there are certain ideas that oppose each other and will lead to disastrous consequences.

02:19:55.000 Until humans agree on fundamental principles and rights, what do you do but have nations?

02:20:01.000 But I'll tell you, you can have nations, and the rights of America can be respected, And still have international agreements and trade and some kind of United Nations or committees that negotiate to keep things and keep the peace and stuff like that.

02:20:15.000 That makes sense.

02:20:16.000 It makes sense that we have different countries with different rules.

02:20:19.000 The problem is what happens when China has concentration camps and no one does anything about it?

02:20:23.000 No, dude.

02:20:23.000 Or when you're homosexual and you go to that country and you can get your hands chopped off or stuff like that.

02:20:28.000 You're sounding very Alexander Dugan right now with multipolar nationalist identities in the world.

02:20:34.000 He sees a space in the world for this type of civilization, that type of civilization, this one, you know, Eurasian and American and Persian and the Chinese.

02:20:44.000 And he thinks that they should be allowed to be themselves.

02:20:47.000 Multipolar nationalism is what he says.

02:20:50.000 I mean, I don't know if I think one thing one way or the other.

02:20:55.000 I'm just saying it's what it is right now.

02:20:57.000 Right now, you've got people who live in Europe and they love the lockdowns.

02:21:01.000 They love the blocking of speech.

02:21:04.000 They like it.

02:21:04.000 There are people in Sweden who cheered when journalists published the private information of citizens who had bad opinions.

02:21:11.000 They love that.

02:21:12.000 In America, we have people who like that, too.

02:21:15.000 We, as a country, on our founding principles, we don't like that kind of stuff.

02:21:19.000 So, it's a challenge.

02:21:21.000 I mean, right now, you can go, well, not everybody, but you can live in different places, you know, if you have the means or the resources.

02:21:28.000 If you want to live in a democratic social democracy, like the Nordic countries, and then have your speech curtailed because you have no problem conforming to the opinions of others, then you go.

02:21:38.000 You can go right there and do it.

02:21:40.000 You know, it's weird to me that so many people want to, uh... Well, I don't know.

02:21:45.000 You know, I guess it's just people want what people want.

02:21:48.000 And then how we develop in advance and move forward is yet to be seen.

02:21:53.000 I don't think there's a clean path.

02:21:54.000 I thought that if we had one language, as a human species, that we would tend towards a global community.

02:22:01.000 Does Twitter seem invisible?

02:22:02.000 But not in China.

02:22:03.000 We all speak English in the United States and that ain't helping.

02:22:07.000 But not in China. And they'll even cut those people off from the internet so that they can't hear us talking.

02:22:12.000 Because when they find out what the America's about...

02:22:15.000 People in America speak English but they have different definitions for many different words.

02:22:18.000 But we can go and live anywhere with no problem.

02:22:21.000 Like, you can't move to Germany and just get along.

02:22:23.000 You gotta learn German.

02:22:24.000 I mean, you kinda can because they speak English.

02:22:26.000 If they didn't speak English, it would be terrifying.

02:22:29.000 You'd be surprised.

02:22:30.000 You can go basically anywhere and they speak English.

02:22:32.000 Which is good.

02:22:32.000 I think that's the step towards unifying.

02:22:34.000 Has it made us more peaceful?

02:22:36.000 Definitely.

02:22:37.000 It used to be just chaos.

02:22:38.000 I mean, World War II was horrific.

02:22:41.000 World War I was, they called it the Great War because So many, how many hundreds of million, hundred million people died?

02:22:47.000 Yeah.

02:22:48.000 Um, it was like a language barrier.

02:22:51.000 Ultimately the Germans and the French couldn't, they didn't know how to.

02:22:53.000 They played soccer together.

02:22:54.000 They didn't speak the same language.

02:22:55.000 One, one day on Christmas morning.

02:22:56.000 They actually all like spoke multiple languages and they still do.

02:22:59.000 In Europe they do.

02:23:00.000 Yeah.

02:23:00.000 And, and, and like the Swiss, I think speak three languages.

02:23:03.000 Yeah.

02:23:04.000 German, French, and uh, Swedish.

02:23:06.000 Swiss.

02:23:07.000 Not Swedish.

02:23:07.000 Swiss.

02:23:08.000 Yeah.

02:23:09.000 Yeah.

02:23:09.000 Multiple languages.

02:23:10.000 Well, I think we're all sort of winding down and getting tired.

02:23:13.000 It's just an exhausting conversation.

02:23:15.000 What are you thinking, Jack?

02:23:16.000 I think tomorrow's going to be scary.

02:23:18.000 What?

02:23:19.000 I mean, what do you mean, why?

02:23:20.000 How scary, how?

02:23:22.000 Just look at what happened today.

02:23:24.000 The tensions are higher than they've ever been.

02:23:26.000 The escalation is more dramatic.

02:23:28.000 Look, it was one thing to have people storm the building.

02:23:30.000 That was crazy.

02:23:31.000 But to then have Politicians being like, treason, expulsion.

02:23:35.000 They were like, let's throw Tinder onto this.

02:23:38.000 The social media censorship, it's worse than it's ever been.

02:23:40.000 The powder keg is going off.

02:23:42.000 Do you think it's like in a slow explosion right now?

02:23:45.000 Well, there was a really funny tweet where they said, well, that popped off very slowly over four years.

02:23:52.000 Right.

02:23:52.000 It happens slow.

02:23:53.000 Time dilation.

02:23:55.000 And then every day, and I keep saying this, sure, maybe tomorrow we wake up and everyone realizes, well, that was crazy.

02:24:01.000 Let's all calm down.

02:24:02.000 Do you really think that's what's going to happen?

02:24:04.000 I don't think so.

02:24:06.000 Well, anyway, my friends, thanks for hanging out.

02:24:08.000 We went a bit over, and I'm getting pretty tired.

02:24:11.000 I think everyone's getting a little tired, so make sure you follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast.

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02:24:25.000 We had our Super Chats shut off today by YouTube.

02:24:28.000 Glad we answered questions.

02:24:30.000 For a lot of reasons, but we try to answer some questions through Twitter and stuff like that.

02:24:33.000 But if you want to support the show, normally Super Chats are a big contributor.

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02:24:38.000 We are live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.

02:24:39.000 So of course we will be back tomorrow and we'll see how things go.

02:24:43.000 But Jack, you have your own channels and socials.

02:24:46.000 Indeed, Jack Murphy Live.

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02:24:49.000 We got another interview.

02:24:50.000 We did Ryan Long comedy on Monday.

02:24:53.000 Probably the funniest man in America right now.

02:24:55.000 That was an excellent interview.

02:24:56.000 He's amazing.

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02:25:18.000 Luke, apparently you have a website.

02:25:19.000 Talk about very similar things, so it's good to have you on here.

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02:25:33.000 I've been selling this one for a few years now.

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02:25:38.000 So yeah, go check that out.

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02:25:51.000 Let me know if it's in frame, Lydia.

02:25:53.000 Harumph!

02:25:55.000 Harumph, I say.

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02:26:15.000 I love it.

02:26:15.000 Harumph.

02:26:16.000 Gotta put that on the drinking game bingo card.

02:26:18.000 You actually said Harumph on the show.

02:26:20.000 I know, great.

02:26:20.000 It's probably just looking at me.

02:26:21.000 Harumph.

02:26:21.000 I know, yeah.

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02:26:32.000 Pretty good.

02:26:33.000 All right, everybody, get a good night's sleep.

02:26:35.000 Everyone calm down a little bit.

02:26:37.000 Maybe play some, you know, some little mobile game on your phone.

02:26:40.000 Yeah, some Tetris.

02:26:41.000 How about that?

02:26:41.000 And wake up tomorrow refreshed, feeling great.

02:26:43.000 Maybe get some exercise, eat right, and clear your mind.

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Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 07, 2021

Timcast IRL - Trump SUSPENDED, Woman Died, CNN Declares Insurrection In DC w- Jack Murphy

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