Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Tucker Carlson WAS SPIED ON, Source Leaks Tucker Communications w-Jack Murphy

00:00:00.000 Tucker Carlson was right.

00:00:22.000 Tucker came out on his show and said that he got information that the NSA had been spying on him, that they wanted to leak information to get him taken off the air.

00:00:30.000 The NSA issued a non-denial denial.

00:00:32.000 What does that mean?

00:00:33.000 It means they put out a statement that sort of seems like they're saying they didn't do it, but they didn't actually deny anything.

00:00:38.000 They basically said, Tucker's never been a target, and we only target foreign people.

00:00:44.000 We all knew what that meant because Glenn Greenwald covered this.

00:00:46.000 He exposed them.

00:00:47.000 Edward Snowden leaked the information.

00:00:49.000 Sure, they can spy on a foreign individual, but if your communications are somewhere in between, they can still get access.

00:00:56.000 Plus, they're bulk spying on the American people anyway.

00:00:59.000 Well, as it turns out now, someone leaked to a journalist at Axios who Tucker Carlson was talking to.

00:01:06.000 He was apparently talking to people in the Kremlin inner circle, trying to get an interview with Vladimir Putin.

00:01:11.000 If Tucker Carlson didn't preempt this story, the narrative right now would be Tucker colluding with Russians.

00:01:18.000 I would absolutely be willing to bet that's the case.

00:01:21.000 But because Tucker came out and said they're spying on our communications, working on a story, the narrative is Tucker was trying to interview Putin.

00:01:29.000 So there you go.

00:01:30.000 Somebody leaked that information.

00:01:31.000 How did they get it?

00:01:32.000 Even if they weren't spying on Tucker, who gave them the right to unmask him?

00:01:36.000 Meaning when an American citizen gets captured, when their data gets captured by the NSA, it's supposed to be hidden.

00:01:41.000 That means somebody went to a FISA court and a judge signed off on revealing a U.S.

00:01:47.000 journalist's name who was trying to interview a world leader.

00:01:51.000 None of this adds up, but I can tell you what does. 1.00

00:01:53.000 All of the morons in the mainstream press who have so much egg on their face you can make an omelette, Because they were for days being like, Tucker's so dumb, he's making it up. 1.00

00:02:02.000 And now they're going, this is really interesting. 1.00

00:02:03.000 I wonder how this information could have been leaked.

00:02:05.000 This is something we should talk about.

00:02:06.000 And people are like, yo, you were just... I'm sick of these people.

00:02:09.000 So we're going to get into this.

00:02:10.000 Obviously, I'm heated on this.

00:02:11.000 Tucker was right, ladies and gentlemen.

00:02:13.000 He wasn't making it up.

00:02:15.000 Of course, they're trying to come out and save face by saying, well, we don't know for sure it was the NSA that leaked this.

00:02:21.000 All right, just ask Jonathan Swan to publish his sources.

00:02:24.000 And if the NSA was committing illegal acts, I don't think he should defend those sources.

00:02:28.000 They want to unmask Tucker?

00:02:30.000 Let's see what we got going on.

00:02:30.000 Unmask the source.

00:02:32.000 Joining us today is the return of Jack Murphy.

00:02:34.000 Hello, everybody.

00:02:35.000 I'm back.

00:02:36.000 It is a Wednesday and we are now back on the every other Wednesday schedule.

00:02:40.000 I'm Jack Murphy.

00:02:41.000 So happy to be here.

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00:02:46.000 Tim.

00:02:47.000 Great to see you.

00:02:48.000 You were heated before the show.

00:02:49.000 You're heated now.

00:02:50.000 This is going to be hot tonight.

00:02:52.000 I had a beer.

00:02:53.000 You're excited.

00:02:54.000 Ian's here.

00:02:55.000 It's working good.

00:02:56.000 I'm back with Lids.

00:02:58.000 All is right in the world today.

00:02:59.000 Wednesdays are back.

00:03:00.000 Jack Murphy on Timcast.

00:03:01.000 Wild, wild animal.

00:03:02.000 I am disturbed about these secret fives of courts.

00:03:07.000 Oh, right.

00:03:08.000 We're supposed to talk about serious stuff.

00:03:11.000 I've been disturbed by the FISA courts for like 15 years.

00:03:13.000 I mean, when it was the first time that it was it was elucidated to the public that... Well, the first time I really heard about it was Michael Cernovich breaking the FISA unmasking with Susan Rice in a Mike Flynn case.

00:03:24.000 That is the first time I heard about it.

00:03:26.000 Mike, way to go.

00:03:27.000 That was me personally.

00:03:28.000 Yeah.

00:03:28.000 And that's how I came to understand how the FISA courts work and what it means to be revealed and unmasked if you've been Sort of caught up in this snare of foreign intelligence work and they're snooping on people.

00:03:39.000 This is just a journalist. There's a lot to this. The Five Eyes Spy Club.

00:03:42.000 What that means. How they cheat the laws and violate rights.

00:03:47.000 We'll get into all of this though. We got Lyds. She's pressing on the glass. 0.98

00:03:47.000 We'll get into all this. 0.98

00:03:51.000 I'm here in the corner as well.

00:03:53.000 I'm very intrigued for tonight.

00:03:54.000 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:03:55.000 We haven't had Jack in a couple weeks.

00:03:57.000 So it's going to be a great conversation.

00:03:59.000 Tucker was absolutely right.

00:04:00.000 And I knew that he wouldn't have brought this up without valid reason to do so.

00:04:04.000 So of course he's correct.

00:04:05.000 And I'm curious what all is behind this.

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00:06:38.000 Let's jump into this story.

00:06:40.000 Here's the big breaking news.

00:06:42.000 It's a scoop, so saith Axios.

00:06:45.000 Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim.

00:06:50.000 That's, that's it right there.

00:06:51.000 Now for those that aren't familiar with the story, let me just rehash real quickly for those that are just tuning in.

00:06:56.000 Tucker Carlson came out on his show and said someone revealed to him information that was in his texts and his emails that no one else had access to.

00:07:05.000 This, long story short, said to him the NSA was spying on him and his communications.

00:07:11.000 This is what was conveyed to him.

00:07:12.000 He said the intent was to leak it to get his show taken off the air.

00:07:16.000 As soon as he comes out and says this, of course all the conservatives say, I trust Tucker, I don't think he's gonna make this up.

00:07:22.000 Not even just conservatives, just, you know, anti-establishment types.

00:07:25.000 And of course the establishment immediately said, he's making it up, he's lying, he's BSing, he's not being spied on.

00:07:31.000 And the NSA themselves issued what's called a non-denial denial, where they said, Tucker's claim that we're trying to get his show taken off the air is untrue.

00:07:40.000 Perhaps.

00:07:40.000 Semantics.

00:07:41.000 But they never outright denied that they intercepted his communications.

00:07:45.000 And Tucker said he pressed them.

00:07:46.000 Or him or one of his staff said, are you reading our emails?

00:07:50.000 And they refused to issue a response.

00:07:53.000 All of a sudden, a story comes out that Tucker was going to try and interview Vladimir Putin, which means the story did get leaked.

00:08:00.000 From who?

00:08:01.000 I'd have to imagine Tucker was right.

00:08:02.000 It was the NSA.

00:08:03.000 Jonathan Swan of Axios can just reveal who his source is.

00:08:07.000 He says Tucker Carlson was talking to US-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the NSA of spying on him.

00:08:16.000 Sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.

00:08:21.000 Now, how are they familiar with those conversations if Tucker says he didn't share them with anybody?

00:08:24.000 Is the source actually someone at Fox News who's stabbed Tucker in the back?

00:08:29.000 No. 0.87

00:08:29.000 The person that Tucker claims to—unless, okay, of course, you can still say Tucker's a liar. 0.87

00:08:33.000 But Tucker preempted this.

00:08:35.000 Think about what would have happened if Tucker never said anything.

00:08:38.000 The story right now would be, leaked communications show Tucker trying to negotiate deals with Vladimir Putin or something to that effect.

00:08:46.000 Instead, because Tucker came out and said he was working on a story, the narrative is now, while Tucker was claiming to be working on a story, he was talking to people who are Kremlin intermediaries.

00:08:57.000 I think he ripped the fangs out.

00:09:00.000 I think he calmed this one down.

00:09:01.000 It was a smart move.

00:09:03.000 And they dragged him over it.

00:09:04.000 Now the funny thing is, all these journalists that are trying to act like, it's, oh, oh, I'm a serious reporter, oh, this, it must be true, even though they were the ones dragging him the whole time.

00:09:14.000 That's what you can expect, man.

00:09:16.000 Right?

00:09:18.000 Man, I'm a journalist.

00:09:19.000 My number one job is to go to the source.

00:09:21.000 My number one job is to get the best interview possible.

00:09:24.000 Who would be a better interviewee than a leader of one of the U.N.

00:09:29.000 Security Council members, the leader of their country, Vladimir Putin?

00:09:34.000 I'm interested to examine a little bit more deeply the timing of this.

00:09:38.000 It says here that they were talking to Putin now.

00:09:42.000 It's about him trying to get an interview with Putin now.

00:09:44.000 Yep.

00:09:44.000 So this is in real time.

00:09:46.000 This isn't this isn't even Trump is in office.

00:09:49.000 This isn't even during Trump Russia scandal or whatnot.

00:09:53.000 This is just Tucker Carlson going about his normal business as a journalist who interviews top leading world officials.

00:10:02.000 And they snared him in their international spy ring that's coordinated against multiple or coordinated with multiple different English speaking countries, five eyes, right?

00:10:14.000 And they were like, hey, we need to figure out who this guy is.

00:10:17.000 So they took him to a FISA court.

00:10:18.000 They made a case, right?

00:10:20.000 They had to make a case to a special judge to say, this is why we should be able to figure out who this American citizen is.

00:10:27.000 And what could the case have been?

00:10:31.000 This guy wants to talk to Putin!

00:10:34.000 He must be a spy.

00:10:36.000 If it's the NSA, and I don't think Tucker's lying on this one, we've got his claim, the story gets leaked.

00:10:42.000 It's not like the NSA's come out and said, here's the evidence we did it, but it's all lined up.

00:10:46.000 So I'll put it there.

00:10:48.000 I would say it's beyond a reasonable doubt, in my opinion.

00:10:50.000 But, to be fair, there's a probability that Tucker is wrong about who's leaking it, or he was misled.

00:10:54.000 Somebody at Fox may have leaked it.

00:10:56.000 Axios says, Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why?

00:11:03.000 That, think about what that means.

00:11:06.000 What's with this weird doublespeak?

00:11:09.000 Why can't Axios say?

00:11:11.000 Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson were, or I'm sorry, why can't they say they have not confirmed that the NSA was the source of this information?

00:11:22.000 What they're saying was his communications have been intercepted.

00:11:25.000 So that means the source for Jonathan Swan may actually be the NSA.

00:11:29.000 But the NSA didn't say we spied on Tucker.

00:11:31.000 Just, here's information on Tucker.

00:11:34.000 Here's the point.

00:11:35.000 When the NSA denied spying on Tucker, they never came out right and said, we are not reading his emails, we are not reading his texts, that's not true.

00:11:43.000 They said, Tucker alleged that we were spying on his communications and were planning to leak them in order to get his show off the air.

00:11:49.000 That allegation is untrue.

00:11:51.000 Well, the allegation in that sentence is the final subject.

00:11:54.000 To get his show off the air.

00:11:56.000 Right.

00:11:57.000 Which could have been hyperbolic, or they could have been like, we wanted to damage him.

00:12:01.000 not get him canceled, just hurt him enough that maybe eventually he does.

00:12:04.000 They can argue a million, a million ways why that wasn't true, but they never said

00:12:04.000 Who knows?

00:12:09.000 we did not intercept communications from Tucker Carlson.

00:12:12.000 We are not spying on him either accidentally or on purpose.

00:12:15.000 They gave some weird doublespeak.

00:12:17.000 Or incidentally, right?

00:12:19.000 Incidentally.

00:12:20.000 Which is actually like the key word in this case.

00:12:20.000 Right.

00:12:23.000 Because it's really about them spying on Putin.

00:12:23.000 Right.

00:12:27.000 And they incidentally have discovered that there is an American citizen involved.

00:12:30.000 Therefore, now this internationally focused spy agency can now turn their attention.

00:12:38.000 This is all congruent with everything we've been talking about here for months and months and months and months and months.

00:12:42.000 The war on terror coming home.

00:12:43.000 Coming home.

00:12:44.000 The far right extremists.

00:12:45.000 Dude, we've been saying this for what?

00:12:47.000 How long?

00:12:47.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:12:47.000 2006?

00:12:47.000 2003?

00:12:48.000 2003 2006 Xeo Xeo says those sources said US government officials learned about Carlson's effort to secure the

00:12:56.000 Putin interview How Carlson learned the government was aware of his

00:12:59.000 outreach and that's the basis of his extraordinary Accusation followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that

00:13:04.000 he has been targeted. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

00:13:06.000 Hold on on Sources have literally said Carlson learned the government

00:13:10.000 was aware of his outreach He's basically confirming there's a federal agency in some capacity somehow that was aware of his outreach.

00:13:19.000 No, what they're saying is the government is spying on you, Tucker.

00:13:23.000 Why are you crying about it?

00:13:26.000 No one's objecting to the spying.

00:13:28.000 They're objecting to the crying.

00:13:30.000 Now I want to go back to this statement from Axios.

00:13:32.000 They have not confirmed whether any communication from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why?

00:13:39.000 The sentence literally means nothing.

00:13:41.000 So an NSA guy goes to Jonathan Swan, hypothetically, and says, hey, you know Tucker Carlson is trying to meet with Putin?

00:13:48.000 I can confirm that to you right now.

00:13:50.000 100% guaranteed.

00:13:51.000 And Swan says, how do you know that?

00:13:52.000 Don't worry about it.

00:13:53.000 Okay, I can't confirm they were spying on him, but he told me that if it wasn't the NSA telling Jonathan Swan, why didn't they also add the source of this information is not coming from the NSA?

00:14:03.000 No, they're quite literally saying Carlson learned that the government was aware.

00:14:07.000 government officials had learned about this.

00:14:07.000 U.S.

00:14:09.000 Who with access to the government was providing information to Jonathan Swan?

00:14:14.000 That is an interesting question because it does suggest that there's a white hat and a black hat in operation right now, right?

00:14:21.000 Somebody telling Tucker and somebody talking to Swan at the same time.

00:14:25.000 Is it two different people?

00:14:26.000 Is it the same person?

00:14:28.000 They go on to say, let me read a little bit of this.

00:14:30.000 The NSA's public statement didn't directly deny that any Carlson communications had been swept up by the agency.

00:14:35.000 Axios submitted a request for comment to the NSA on Wednesday asking whether the agency would also be willing to categorically deny that the NSA intercepted any of Carlson's communications in the context of monitoring somebody he was talking to in his effort to set up an interview with Putin.

00:14:48.000 An NSA spokesperson declined to comment and referred Axios back to the earlier statement.

00:14:51.000 Carefully worded, it says.

00:14:53.000 In other words, the NSA is denying the targeting of Carlson, but is not denying that his communications were incidentally collected.

00:14:59.000 And Axios is not telling us who their source is, whether or not their source is part of the NSA, and they could do that.

00:15:07.000 If I had a source who revealed that Jack Murphy had stolen my cookies from the cookie jar, and people were like, Ian was the source, I could be like, Ian was not the source, I can confirm that much.

00:15:18.000 Right?

00:15:18.000 Lydia witnessed Jack, and I said, I'm not gonna out my source, you know?

00:15:23.000 But I can certainly say it wasn't Ian.

00:15:26.000 That's one person out of the million it could have been.

00:15:28.000 They could just say, our source is not the NSA.

00:15:31.000 War is not in government.

00:15:33.000 What is Axios?

00:15:34.000 What horse do they ride in here? 0.91

00:15:36.000 What do they want to see have happen?

00:15:38.000 I don't know.

00:15:40.000 How do they slant?

00:15:41.000 How do they dress, as the tailor asks?

00:15:41.000 How do they lean?

00:15:44.000 I mean, Jonathan Swan, he's the guy who did that really awful interview with Trump where he was just negative about literally everything Trump said.

00:15:49.000 And he was scowling the whole time at everything Trump said.

00:15:53.000 Look, we know that they are literally searching right now, Oliver Dumb Dumb Darcy, And team, they're all searching for who's the next Putin?

00:16:05.000 Who's the next Hitler? 0.97

00:16:06.000 Who's the next Trump? 0.95

00:16:08.000 Who's the next evil guy that we have to destroy?

00:16:11.000 And isn't it funny that the timing on all this just happened right now?

00:16:15.000 Tucker Carlson is being named as, you know, if Tucker hadn't gotten out in front of this, what would the story have been?

00:16:22.000 Story had been Tucker Carlson trying to collude secretly with Putin.

00:16:26.000 He's the Russiagate 2.5.

00:16:28.000 Yes. 0.89

00:16:29.000 So we already saw this absolutely hilarious story where Brian Stelter, in his pathetic, desperate attempt for ratings. 0.71

00:16:38.000 So for those not familiar, he's a guy who hosts Sunday mornings on CNN. 0.95

00:16:41.000 It's a little poo-poo show. 0.98

00:16:42.000 You can't even see it on YouTube.

00:16:43.000 And he was like, is Tucker Carlson the new Alex Jones?

00:16:47.000 Yes!

00:16:47.000 And then Oliver Darcy was like, Tucker Carlson is the new Alex Jones.

00:16:50.000 The funny thing is, Oliver never blinked.

00:16:52.000 Did you notice that?

00:16:53.000 I didn't really notice, but a lot of people kept posting, like, does this guy blink at all?

00:16:56.000 Like, he's just standing there staring at the camera.

00:16:58.000 Dude's gone nuts.

00:16:59.000 Like, Oliver, these people... I wonder if they, like, cry at night? 0.59

00:17:04.000 Oliver, I know you're crying, dude.

00:17:06.000 I know you're crying.

00:17:07.000 Well, no, no, but think about it.

00:17:09.000 They've dug themselves in so deep to this anti-Trump narrative that there's nothing they can do.

00:17:17.000 Guys, it was a big joke.

00:17:21.000 Nah, their careers are done.

00:17:22.000 Done.

00:17:23.000 The only thing they have left is Orange Man Bad, but there's no Orange Man anymore.

00:17:26.000 They're trying to find one, desperately.

00:17:28.000 Tucker Carlson is the new Alex Jones, they said.

00:17:30.000 Did you see this clip?

00:17:33.000 Did you see the clip they did?

00:17:33.000 Oh, with Stelter and Darcy?

00:17:35.000 Stelter and Darcy on the new Alex Jones.

00:17:36.000 Of course I did, because Oliver, I love laughing at you, by the way.

00:17:39.000 Tucker Carlson goes, he's like, there's risks in everything, of course, and even vaccines.

00:17:44.000 And then it pauses, and then it's Alex Jones, you know, yelling about the vaccines.

00:17:47.000 I'm like, those aren't even the same statements.

00:17:50.000 Your doctor will tell you there can be adverse reactions.

00:17:53.000 Like, that's normal.

00:17:54.000 Then there's, what did he say, when he mentions the spying?

00:17:57.000 Then it shows an old clip from like the 2000s of Jones being like, they're spying money on me and it's been admitted it's happening.

00:18:02.000 And I'm like, so you found three or four things that are somewhat related but still kind of different and you're acting like he's verbatim repeating Alice Jones. 0.98

00:18:12.000 It was the most ridiculous garbage story ever. 0.98

00:18:16.000 A few months ago, what did they say? 1.00

00:18:18.000 Tucker Carlson is the new Donald Trump.

00:18:21.000 And they did the same thing, showing Tucker saying things, and then Trump saying things, and they're like, Tucker is the new Trump!

00:18:28.000 They've been trying to do that nonstop.

00:18:31.000 I don't think it has anything to do necessarily with politics though.

00:18:35.000 Partly, I'm sure.

00:18:36.000 A lot of activists don't like that Tucker Carlson is influential,

00:18:39.000 speaking to young people particularly.

00:18:41.000 Huge in the writing, especially in the key demo.

00:18:43.000 I think they're just desperate for an orange man.

00:18:45.000 They ain't no orange man no more. 1.00

00:18:47.000 They don't know what to do.

00:18:48.000 They don't know how to function unless they've got someone they can point to and say,

00:18:52.000 Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. 0.80

00:18:54.000 And they're going to try to tie everybody back to Trump because they really shot their wad on this.

00:19:00.000 You can't get any worse than the things that they called Trump.

00:19:03.000 So they got to now call everybody Trump. 0.63

00:19:06.000 It's funny that they've driven themselves so insane.

00:19:09.000 I will say this, the things that worry me, critical race theory in schools.

00:19:15.000 I'm sorry, critical rate applied principles. 0.98

00:19:17.000 That's crap, dude. 0.98

00:19:18.000 It is indeed. 1.00

00:19:19.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 Yeah, literally.

00:19:21.000 So anyway, I know I'm with you, dude.

00:19:23.000 I'm just giving it back.

00:19:24.000 I know, I know! 1.00

00:19:25.000 That's crap! 0.99

00:19:26.000 I know, literally. 0.99

00:19:27.000 So anyway, that worries me about the future. 1.00

00:19:29.000 But Michael Maus has a point when he says, look how stupid these people are. 1.00

00:19:32.000 Look how absolutely stupid these people are. 1.00

00:19:34.000 I gotta tell you, they're really stupid. 1.00

00:19:37.000 Let me show you just how stupid. 1.00

00:19:38.000 Just how stupid are they, Tim? 1.00

00:19:40.000 Two hours ago, Axios reported that Tucker Carlson was seeking an interview with Vladimir Putin at the time he was accusing the NSA of spying on him. 1.00

00:19:48.000 Stands to reason somebody leaked communications from Tucker Carlson somehow that he was doing this, and who would have access to it?

00:19:56.000 Perhaps it was a hacker who broke into Tucker's email and phone and spoofed it or something, or perhaps Tucker is right.

00:20:02.000 Tucker's source said the NSA was spying on him.

00:20:04.000 Perhaps that's the case.

00:20:06.000 Okay, so that was two hours ago the story breaks.

00:20:08.000 Evidence to suggest Tucker is right.

00:20:10.000 Pretty strong evidence.

00:20:11.000 Gizmodo writes this story an hour ago.

00:20:14.000 Tucker FOIAs the NSA, that means Freedom of Information Act.

00:20:18.000 FOIA means, as a verb, to file a request for the government information to see what they're doing.

00:20:24.000 Gizmodo says, the pompadoured talk show host with a face made of Play-Doh has decided to kick things up a notch in his feud with America's surveillance Goliath.

00:20:34.000 They say this.

00:20:35.000 It was about two weeks ago that Tucker Carlson first claimed, without evidence, that not only was the NSA spying on him and his staff, but that it was plotting to leak his show's internal communications in an apparent effort to take it off the air.

00:20:45.000 Not long after that, the NSA blah blah blah.

00:20:47.000 The whole episode is bizarre for many reasons, even in today's day and age.

00:20:51.000 Now it would appear that the news anchor in his show filed an actual FOIA request with the spy agency.

00:20:56.000 In an apparent effort to shake loose any evidence of the government's supposed snooping.

00:21:00.000 And they go on blah blah blah.

00:21:02.000 I'm requesting records, the date to document.

00:21:04.000 I look through this story.

00:21:05.000 Guess what?

00:21:07.000 This dude at Gizmodo, Lucas Ropek, did not even Google search or even go on Twitter before publishing this story.

00:21:16.000 Talk about...

00:21:18.000 Really? 0.97

00:21:19.000 I'm sorry, I can't say the word dumb. 0.87

00:21:20.000 I gotta say something else. 0.97

00:21:22.000 I gotta say, um... Incapable?

00:21:26.000 Malpractical? 0.83

00:21:27.000 No, no, no.

00:21:28.000 I don't wanna say he did a bad job.

00:21:29.000 I wanna say that there's something seriously wrong with his, like, ability to add numbers together.

00:21:35.000 Flawed.

00:21:36.000 Like, here's somebody who said, I am going to publish it.

00:21:40.000 Now, of course, he could probably blame his editor.

00:21:42.000 Perhaps he wrote the story earlier this morning and the editor was sitting on it.

00:21:45.000 Let's call the failure Gizmodo's.

00:21:47.000 But imagine being this guy.

00:21:49.000 And you don't go to your editor and say, news just broke.

00:21:54.000 That Tucker's communications did in fact leak somehow to a journalist at Axios.

00:21:59.000 Perhaps Tucker was right the whole time.

00:22:02.000 They publish a story insulting him, saying without evidence, an hour after news breaks, suggesting Tucker was telling the truth.

00:22:10.000 That is a whole new level of failure.

00:22:15.000 Serious incompetence.

00:22:16.000 First of all, Tucker Carlson does not have a pompadour. 1.00

00:22:19.000 Can we like that's just you're automatically trash. 0.98

00:22:22.000 And by the way, yes, everyone who goes on TV has makeup on except for me tonight. 0.98

00:22:26.000 I wish I did.

00:22:28.000 But the rest of it, I mean, who has a feud with American surveillance Goliath?

00:22:34.000 Huh.

00:22:35.000 A journalist has a feud with a surveillance Goliath.

00:22:39.000 Like, the end of the headline, the sub-headline there, is it meant to make the NSA look bad and Tucker look good?

00:22:46.000 Because that's how I feel.

00:22:47.000 That's how I read it.

00:22:49.000 Information Surveillance Goliath.

00:22:51.000 They need their Trump men.

00:22:55.000 And so this is Gizmodo saying, look, Tucker is our target.

00:22:59.000 He's an other we hate.

00:23:00.000 So just insult him.

00:23:02.000 When you live in the world of corporate media.

00:23:05.000 No, no, for real.

00:23:07.000 I'm sure that their, like, executive editor or their higher-ups were like, oh, we got a story about Tucker, huh?

00:23:11.000 Insult him a little bit.

00:23:12.000 Rough him up.

00:23:13.000 Because that's what our readers like.

00:23:17.000 Plato.

00:23:18.000 I hate that guy.

00:23:19.000 That's awesome.

00:23:20.000 Yeah.

00:23:21.000 I feel bad for... I don't know if this guy actually... Sometimes the editors make changes.

00:23:25.000 I hope so.

00:23:26.000 Well, that should be in the article if they did.

00:23:27.000 They shouldn't lay that on the writer if the editor changed it.

00:23:30.000 But who knows, who knows.

00:23:31.000 So right now it's on you, Lucas, because you got the byline.

00:23:33.000 Imagine this dude, Lucas, right?

00:23:35.000 Seven comments.

00:23:36.000 He's like a little kid and he's like, I want to be a journalist when I grow up.

00:23:44.000 It's like, bro, the story an hour before you published this broke, providing evidence.

00:23:48.000 You got no context on it.

00:23:49.000 Like, nothing.

00:23:50.000 You guys need to take this down.

00:23:52.000 Right.

00:23:52.000 No retraction.

00:23:53.000 No nothing.

00:23:53.000 Because you know what?

00:23:54.000 But why?

00:23:54.000 They don't care.

00:23:55.000 Why insult people like this so severely?

00:23:58.000 Listen, if they said the far right or the conservative or whatever, I'd roll my eyes.

00:24:04.000 But you're allowed to have somewhat of a framing device.

00:24:08.000 I don't like it.

00:24:09.000 But saying a pompadoured Play-Doh face is just insulting the guy.

00:24:14.000 Tim, it's so obvious.

00:24:15.000 They don't have an orange man.

00:24:17.000 They need a pompadoured man.

00:24:18.000 There we go.

00:24:19.000 He doesn't have a pompadour.

00:24:20.000 He doesn't even have a pompadour.

00:24:21.000 It's literally not true, but it doesn't matter.

00:24:23.000 At least Trump was orange.

00:24:25.000 Bro was orange.

00:24:26.000 Can we just admit that?

00:24:27.000 Bro was orange.

00:24:28.000 This article is getting read more right now than it has up until this point.

00:24:32.000 Stop showing them traffic!

00:24:33.000 Did you see Donald Trump's press conference?

00:24:35.000 Which one?

00:24:36.000 The one today.

00:24:37.000 Dude was orange.

00:24:39.000 He was so orange.

00:24:39.000 He was pretty orange.

00:24:40.000 He is orange.

00:24:41.000 Look, sitting by the pool and getting tanned takes real time and effort.

00:24:45.000 True.

00:24:46.000 Homie doesn't have that time and effort. 1.00

00:24:47.000 He goes in that thing and they just go...

00:24:50.000 It's better than being pale.

00:24:51.000 Have you seen Joe Biden?

00:24:52.000 Crip Keeper?

00:24:53.000 That's why he's got them little raccoon eyes around.

00:24:55.000 It's a spray tan.

00:24:56.000 I know it.

00:24:57.000 It's all right.

00:24:58.000 Does he bleach his hair?

00:24:59.000 I mean, maybe.

00:25:00.000 Why?

00:25:00.000 It's his hair, though.

00:25:01.000 It's all right.

00:25:02.000 But why would he want to be orange?

00:25:04.000 It's better than being pale.

00:25:05.000 Have you seen Joe Biden?

00:25:07.000 Cryptkeeper.

00:25:08.000 You can see the veins and the ligaments and the sores and all the.

00:25:12.000 I mean, dude, bro's over 70.

00:25:13.000 Things change.

00:25:15.000 Liver spots.

00:25:16.000 You don't heal.

00:25:17.000 Yeah, your skin looks terrible. 1.00

00:25:18.000 He has calculated it's better to be orange than to be pale and dead. 0.71

00:25:23.000 Yep.

00:25:23.000 Yeah.

00:25:24.000 Orange is vibrant.

00:25:26.000 It's better than being like transparent with your veins and everything coming right out of your eyes.

00:25:31.000 I look at these news stories, and I'm feeling pretty good when I want to see this stuff.

00:25:35.000 Pretty good about what?

00:25:37.000 The demise of the old media.

00:25:39.000 Confidence in the rise of new media.

00:25:41.000 They look super professional here.

00:25:43.000 You know what I do love, too, though?

00:25:44.000 I gotta admit something else.

00:25:46.000 Like, we're pretty good at flying under the radar.

00:25:48.000 Yeah, I was saying that yesterday.

00:25:50.000 Whose radar?

00:25:50.000 No, yeah, absolutely.

00:25:52.000 The establishment.

00:25:55.000 I don't even know who they are.

00:25:55.000 an article in Axios talking about the decline of mainstream media and the rise of independent

00:25:59.000 media and they're talking about Crystal and Cigar with Breaking Points which has been

00:26:04.000 taking off tremendously.

00:26:05.000 They got like half a million subs in a month.

00:26:06.000 The show's doing massive and they're awesome.

00:26:08.000 So you know it's awesome for them.

00:26:09.000 I don't even know who they are.

00:26:11.000 Well they're great.

00:26:12.000 Yeah they were on the hills rising.

00:26:13.000 They're fantastic.

00:26:14.000 I'm living under a rock apparently.

00:26:16.000 But they really are great.

00:26:17.000 They really are great.

00:26:18.000 It's populist left and right.

00:26:19.000 They do a show together.

00:26:20.000 They share like a populist view and then they have their own views on left and right.

00:26:23.000 Anyway, I'm reading this article and I'm like, you know?

00:26:26.000 you Part of me is saying, like, why doesn't anybody take interest in what we're doing?

00:26:29.000 Like, why isn't this on the radar?

00:26:31.000 And I've been thinking for a long time how good that is, because it's actually one of the reasons I reduced the amount of segments I was doing on my other channels.

00:26:38.000 I was doing five per day on one channel.

00:26:40.000 Are you down?

00:26:41.000 Yeah, I cut three out.

00:26:42.000 Oh, nice.

00:26:43.000 And weekends are gone.

00:26:44.000 Oh, wow.

00:26:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:45.000 Part of it was I felt like maximizing exposure was a weakness.

00:26:51.000 It allowed us to get more ad traffic and operate the business off YouTube ad revenue, but it

00:26:57.000 also created more exposure, which is more space to be attacked from.

00:27:01.000 And I was like, we need to pull back.

00:27:03.000 We need to focus more on delivering a better product and not focus on maximizing viewership.

00:27:09.000 So that's actually, in many ways, a good thing.

00:27:11.000 We fly under the radar on a lot of these things.

00:27:14.000 So, when I look at the media, they're attacking everybody like crazy.

00:27:18.000 The way they attack Andy Ngo like crazy.

00:27:20.000 And I'm like, we just kind of do our thing and no one, there's no smear pieces.

00:27:25.000 Sometimes.

00:27:26.000 It could be the milquetoast nature of your show, though, Tim.

00:27:29.000 We're invincible.

00:27:31.000 Milk toast is the new armor.

00:27:34.000 And don't forget the Q and the E in the word milk.

00:27:36.000 I don't know.

00:27:36.000 I'm just kidding with that.

00:27:38.000 Dude, I totally understand.

00:27:39.000 That's why we created the liminal order.

00:27:40.000 So I can get off of the freaking, you know, the chopping block.

00:27:44.000 All my guys can get off the chopping block.

00:27:46.000 We can have constructive, productive conversations and do things inside the LO that no one can see.

00:27:52.000 It's great.

00:27:52.000 Like this show, how many other, like, news people have people sitting there telling them they're wrong?

00:27:57.000 Like, I'll tell you you're wrong.

00:27:59.000 I don't really tell you.

00:28:00.000 No, Tim, you're wrong.

00:28:01.000 I mean, not really, but I will if you're wrong.

00:28:03.000 Listen, listen, we like people humble each other.

00:28:05.000 That's what friendship is.

00:28:05.000 And that's part of what keeps people sane.

00:28:08.000 We had Richie McGinnis.

00:28:09.000 I like Richie.

00:28:10.000 Telling his story about what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:28:13.000 It's one of our most viewed segments ever.

00:28:15.000 Heavy.

00:28:16.000 We get no attacks.

00:28:17.000 No one attacks us.

00:28:18.000 No smears.

00:28:19.000 We have Alex Jones on the show twice.

00:28:21.000 We have Enrique Tarrio on the show.

00:28:23.000 Nothing written about us.

00:28:25.000 Totally under the radar.

00:28:27.000 That's good news.

00:28:29.000 Because we're going to be growing this brand, TimCast.com.

00:28:31.000 We're going to be expanding.

00:28:32.000 That's why I bring this up.

00:28:33.000 I'm really confident when I look at the failures of the media.

00:28:36.000 They're completely unaware of what's happening unless it fits the fighting.

00:28:40.000 So when you see a lot of this drama between Steven Crowder and Ethan Klein, for instance, that's high level.

00:28:48.000 It's really easy for the average person to take sides and get into a fight over this stuff.

00:28:52.000 But we don't really have all that drama stuff, so it's hard for them to write about.

00:28:56.000 What are they gonna say, like, oh, you know, Ian, he, uh... Graphene, the Fed, English Crown, Rothschilds.

00:29:02.000 I think this guy actually smoked DMT.

00:29:06.000 What do they got?

00:29:07.000 They try, though.

00:29:07.000 Right now.

00:29:08.000 Sometimes something will pop up and no one cares.

00:29:12.000 You know what it is?

00:29:13.000 I think you look at someone like Crowder, very energetic, and he'll say things about specific people.

00:29:17.000 Ben Shapiro will do the same thing.

00:29:19.000 I don't do that.

00:29:20.000 Don't play in the mud, that's a big part of it, yeah. 0.99

00:29:24.000 So it makes it very difficult for them to latch on to anything.

00:29:26.000 I think what you said earlier about what you use your money on as a corporation, like you get a big influx of cash.

00:29:31.000 Do you spend it on marketing what you already have?

00:29:33.000 Or do you hire or create new products and then not worry as much about the marketing?

00:29:37.000 And the Temcast model so far has been that, not worry about the marketing.

00:29:40.000 We did that with mines too.

00:29:41.000 We didn't market the thing.

00:29:42.000 We just built it and built it and built it and built it under the radar.

00:29:45.000 Now the technology is so robust that it speaks for itself.

00:29:48.000 Super robust, by the way.

00:29:50.000 Check it out with their new Matrix messaging.

00:29:51.000 It's pretty lit.

00:29:52.000 Matrix, I gotta say.

00:29:53.000 And it just keeps getting better.

00:29:54.000 That's my methodology.

00:29:57.000 I'm feeling real good.

00:29:58.000 Plus, it's a private corp, so you don't have investments, so you don't have the hassle of the public harassment.

00:30:04.000 That's the other crazy thing, too, that's like...

00:30:07.000 Kind of worrying me.

00:30:08.000 People will come here and they'll be like, so who's backing this?

00:30:10.000 And I'm like, what do you mean?

00:30:11.000 What do you mean?

00:30:11.000 I'll be like, yeah, yeah.

00:30:12.000 Like, you know, Daily Wire's got backers, Breitbart.

00:30:14.000 I'm like, nobody.

00:30:15.000 I started a YouTube channel and then hired people.

00:30:15.000 I don't know.

00:30:18.000 I skateboard, bro.

00:30:19.000 That's how this happens.

00:30:20.000 Yo, but but I don't I don't want to talk too much about us because it's more about the bigger picture.

00:30:25.000 Certainly I'm feeling good.

00:30:26.000 And the success of Timcast.com and everyone signing up to become members gives me confidence in the future.

00:30:31.000 It's probably the most the most like illuminating thing.

00:30:35.000 When I hear Bannon and Michael Malice say, like, we're going to win, and I start thinking about all the really bad stuff, and I want to get pulled into that darkness where it's like all the bad stuff is taking over, and then I stopped and I thought to myself, do I really think TimCast.com is going to fail?

00:30:48.000 And I'm like, no.

00:30:50.000 It's taken off like crazy.

00:30:51.000 Things are going well.

00:30:52.000 Nothing's going to change.

00:30:53.000 It's going to keep on this track of succeeding.

00:30:54.000 It's going to plow right through the darkness and expand and then shove that darkness back into the dark corners.

00:31:00.000 I feel the same way, man.

00:31:01.000 I mean, we are going to win.

00:31:02.000 Well, first of all, the other side has no first principle that is self-sustaining, OK?

00:31:06.000 It's just a self-destructive, self-immolating, self-collapsing kind of process.

00:31:10.000 Second of all, I can see and feel the energy building inside the liminal order as liminal-order.com.

00:31:16.000 600 guys all around the world.

00:31:17.000 We're all working every single day to solve all these problems and make everything in our lives happier, healthier and wealthier.

00:31:22.000 These things are happening all over the country, all over the world.

00:31:26.000 And you're right about being off the radar.

00:31:30.000 There's a weird pull about social media and fame at the beginning, especially you're like, oh, it's, you know, fame, that's power.

00:31:38.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:31:39.000 Fame is a problem.

00:31:41.000 Fame is a problem.

00:31:42.000 Power, you know, the ability, by power, I mean the ability to positively affect change in the world.

00:31:48.000 That's what, that's what I'm after.

00:31:50.000 And that doesn't come with fame.

00:31:52.000 Although I will say I got recognized all over.

00:31:54.000 Virginia this weekend. Thanks to Tim pool. Well, I I can give an analogy to everybody help them understand you ever

00:31:59.000 play for 4v4 I'm sorry, um battle royale smash brothers for players. Yes

00:32:05.000 brothers your play smash brothers every man for himself four players

00:32:08.000 So, you know, you know what I do I'm like, you guys really wanna do this?

00:32:12.000 You wanna go up against me, Smash Brothers, but every man for himself?

00:32:16.000 Alright.

00:32:17.000 I just go- I slowly walk to the corner and stand there as everyone beats each other up, and then I just chill.

00:32:22.000 And then finally when the last person's left, I'm like, yo, you could've come over at any point, but you- you ignored me, thinking I was doing nothing.

00:32:27.000 Now I got three lives, I got 0% damage, that's what it's all about.

00:32:31.000 You get mixed up in the fray, you take a lot of heat, you take a lot of damage, hoping that you'll come out on top, I have a good story about this.

00:32:37.000 I met with Curtis Yarvin a few years ago when he was in sort of a quiet period.

00:32:43.000 And he told me, he's like, look, you know, there's no point in encountering a predator animal as a predator animal on the Savannah.

00:32:50.000 There's no point in that.

00:32:51.000 Maybe you guys fight, maybe you clash, maybe you bleed. 0.92

00:32:54.000 And then maybe two months later, you both bleed out and die. 0.93

00:32:57.000 The wise ones, they kind of lick, and they just sort of go the other way.

00:33:02.000 And I have taken that to heart.

00:33:04.000 That's what the LO, the liminal order, is all about.

00:33:06.000 Taking your head off the chopping block, going underground, popping up when you want, being strategic about your appearances, about your public message.

00:33:14.000 There was this time at which, starting with bulletin board systems and Telnet and ICQ and all these things, where you just put everything out there.

00:33:24.000 Bro, just throw it all out there.

00:33:25.000 Let's connect with anybody we can connect with.

00:33:27.000 Talk to anybody.

00:33:28.000 Now it's like, okay, I want to strategically disconnect.

00:33:32.000 I want to build barriers between me and the rest of the universe.

00:33:35.000 And I want to have a highly curated, high trust environment in which I can actually get work done.

00:33:42.000 I can change my life.

00:33:43.000 I can change the lives of other people, my family.

00:33:45.000 We can build businesses and products.

00:33:47.000 You know what would be really funny?

00:33:50.000 Do it.

00:33:50.000 that that's partly the vibe that you're riding on here.

00:33:52.000 You know what would be really funny?

00:33:53.000 Do it.

00:33:54.000 What?

00:33:55.000 It's like 300 years.

00:33:56.000 There's like, you know, society is flourishing and there's flying cars and space travel and

00:34:00.000 there's a guy and he's the president and he's like, you know, vote for me for re-election

00:34:04.000 and you know, what would I say?

00:34:05.000 You ever heard of the Knights of Malta?

00:34:07.000 twenty twenty three twenty four whatever and he's like vote for me for re-election

00:34:11.000 and they're like yay and then he turns around and he walks into the room and

00:34:14.000 there's a guy with a liminal order on patch on and he's like you did really

00:34:17.000 well very good order the order respects your work I mean our goal here is we

00:34:22.000 have a thousand-year time horizon you ever heard of the Knights of Malta I

00:34:25.000 have these this is what we're talking about It was like an ancient actual sovereignty.

00:34:30.000 What were they?

00:34:30.000 They were like a military force.

00:34:32.000 They first came about to protect pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land.

00:34:36.000 And in doing that, protecting people on the way to something important.

00:34:40.000 They were able to build armies.

00:34:41.000 They built property.

00:34:42.000 They built sovereignty.

00:34:43.000 They built their own nation.

00:34:46.000 1000 years.

00:34:46.000 It helps having the blessing of the Pope.

00:34:48.000 That does help.

00:34:49.000 Yeah.

00:34:50.000 But absent that will make it work.

00:34:51.000 That's that's the time perspective that we're working on.

00:34:54.000 And we're trying to be part of the remaking of society, right?

00:34:58.000 Like networks are the way the society is going to be functioning.

00:35:01.000 What's that?

00:35:01.000 best part is going to be. So after this guy, like he's running for president, he walks

00:35:05.000 in and there's some like emissary from the liminal order and he's like, you've done great

00:35:08.000 work. The order thanks you for your service. And he's like, thank you, sir. Then there's

00:35:13.000 like some guy on the on the on the virtue net, like virtual net. And he's like, the

00:35:17.000 liminal order controls everything.

00:35:19.000 You need to understand how powerful they are. 0.99

00:35:20.000 They're like, oh, shut up. 0.99

00:35:22.000 There's no liminal order. 0.96

00:35:24.000 Like it started by Jack Murphy in 2020 or 2019.

00:35:27.000 That's right.

00:35:28.000 It doesn't exist.

00:35:29.000 Thou shalt not speak the name.

00:35:31.000 First rule.

00:35:33.000 That's powerful.

00:35:34.000 Is it really the rule you say the name all the time?

00:35:36.000 No, actually, I do.

00:35:36.000 But if you've noticed, there's no one you've never seen anybody publicly talking about it.

00:35:40.000 Secret societies.

00:35:41.000 It is secret.

00:35:42.000 We do encourage guys to not talk about it.

00:35:44.000 Let me take all the heat. 0.72

00:35:45.000 Be out there as a lightning rod.

00:35:47.000 And you just quietly go about doing your business of changing the world.

00:35:49.000 Let's talk about feeling good and confident and successes, right?

00:35:53.000 I like that!

00:35:54.000 White pill me, baby! 0.99

00:35:55.000 So we got the media spiraling out of control, sad and desperate.

00:35:59.000 Did you see that there was the ratings for MSNBC on Sunday?

00:36:02.000 They get like 29,000.

00:36:04.000 Even I'm crushing MSNBC in the key demos, dude.

00:36:08.000 Bro, it's not fair to say you're crushing them when they're getting 29,000 viewers.

00:36:11.000 No, I am definitely crushing them.

00:36:14.000 I am crushing network news.

00:36:17.000 Period.

00:36:17.000 End of story.

00:36:18.000 That's what I told my mom.

00:36:19.000 Now I'll be fair, during weeknights, Rachel Maddow gets 3 million, but in the key demo she's getting like 200,000. 0.85

00:36:26.000 The key demo being 25 to 55 men with money, basically.

00:36:31.000 Old people are watching Maddow and Tucker, but Tucker's still getting twice what CNN and MSNBC are getting.

00:36:37.000 So anyway, look, I watch the media's collapse.

00:36:39.000 And I'm laughing, because we're growing.

00:36:42.000 And maybe we won't ever be as big as CNN was, but it's decentralized these days.

00:36:46.000 But we got something else.

00:36:47.000 We got this big, big news from Donald Trump himself.

00:36:50.000 Do it.

00:36:51.000 Trump files a class action lawsuit against Facebook, Twitter, and Google for censoring him, demands an end to big tech silencing and blacklisting of conservative voices, and calls for punitive damages for cancel culture victims.

00:37:03.000 He is also suing the CEOs of these companies.

00:37:06.000 I mean, that's it.

00:37:07.000 Now, he made his appearance.

00:37:08.000 He was in New Jersey.

00:37:09.000 Boy, did that man look orange.

00:37:11.000 Very orange man, right there.

00:37:14.000 But hey, this is good news.

00:37:15.000 Now, a lot of people on the left, a lot of Democrats are saying, it's doomed to fail.

00:37:19.000 There's no way his suit will succeed.

00:37:21.000 That's not relevant.

00:37:22.000 Maybe that's true, but that's not relevant.

00:37:25.000 How do you win a fight if you never fight it?

00:37:28.000 You stand there watching somebody poke and prod and bully and oppress.

00:37:32.000 And you say, there's no point in fighting because we'll lose.

00:37:35.000 Imagine this.

00:37:36.000 It's like a Bugs Life.

00:37:38.000 You know, what was it with the crickets?

00:37:40.000 I didn't see it.

00:37:41.000 Grasshoppers.

00:37:42.000 Grasshoppers.

00:37:42.000 There you go.

00:37:43.000 The grasshoppers are like, they outnumber us 1,001.

00:37:46.000 If they find out the system, they're going to topple us.

00:37:49.000 Everybody loves using that analogy of the left and the right, but think about it right now.

00:37:54.000 If you're watching these grasshoppers kick people around, these billionaires, these tech oligarchs, push people around, and you're like, we'll never win against them, there's no point in fighting. 0.80

00:38:05.000 Congratulations, you're right.

00:38:06.000 Whether you, what is it saying?

00:38:09.000 Whether you believe you will succeed or you will fail, you're right.

00:38:13.000 Now what happens if every single person who got banned said, I'm following the suit?

00:38:13.000 You're right.

00:38:17.000 I'll probably lose, but I'm gonna file a suit anyway.

00:38:19.000 Imagine if a million people filed lawsuits against Facebook.

00:38:22.000 They would be buried in litigation.

00:38:25.000 So there was actually, I can't remember if it was Patreon or one of the other ones, where they had an automatic arbitration clause.

00:38:32.000 So that anytime anybody filed a complaint, they automatically had to go to arbitration.

00:38:36.000 It was paid for by Patreon.

00:38:37.000 Yep.

00:38:37.000 So I remember guys like Box Day and others were like really rallying people to try to take advantage of this.

00:38:43.000 The thing about Trump that people loved and love to this day is that dude is a fighter.

00:38:51.000 He will fight.

00:38:52.000 He's not going to take it.

00:38:53.000 He's going to fight.

00:38:54.000 He made a lot of mistakes, though.

00:38:55.000 He could have fought better.

00:38:56.000 Oh, of course.

00:38:57.000 But he's at least trying something, right?

00:39:00.000 He's just trying something.

00:39:01.000 And, you know, the first thing that you do in a lawsuit like this is you do the spaghetti thing.

00:39:04.000 You throw the spaghetti up against the wall.

00:39:06.000 You cite all the people individually, all of them personally, all their associates, all the different entities.

00:39:12.000 And then you force the other side into having to now make arguments as to why they need to dismiss this guy and dismiss that guy.

00:39:18.000 They spend money, there's discovery.

00:39:20.000 It's all part of the normal process.

00:39:23.000 Now, I have no idea the legalities of this.

00:39:26.000 Will Chamberlain probably be the best person to talk to about this or Ron Coleman and those guys who know how these lawsuits are going to go.

00:39:34.000 But I like the energy.

00:39:35.000 Fight back, man.

00:39:36.000 Fight back.

00:39:36.000 They obviously colluded.

00:39:38.000 Right, right, right.

00:39:39.000 I've talked to Will, who's very smart.

00:39:42.000 He's a lawyer, so he knows a lot about this.

00:39:44.000 And I've brought up a lot of things to him where he says, that's no good, that maybe, that's no good, and I don't know, maybe a judge will agree with that one.

00:39:50.000 That right there.

00:39:52.000 Whether or not you get a judge to agree with you is the biggest question.

00:39:55.000 Did you make a good enough argument to convince a judge?

00:39:58.000 And what I've seen across the board from defamation lawsuits to censorship lawsuits is the lawyers have made really bad arguments because they fundamentally don't understand what they're talking about.

00:40:08.000 I mean no disrespect to a lot of these lawyers because some of them have done good lawsuits that got thrown out, but they don't understand the nature of the system.

00:40:15.000 They don't understand the attack vectors.

00:40:17.000 I think Wikipedia may be one of the best Tell me, I got Larry Sanger coming on tomorrow.

00:40:23.000 that could create a hole in the whole 230 argument and defamation specifically.

00:40:28.000 So, um...

00:40:30.000 Tell me, I got Larry Sanger coming on tomorrow.

00:40:32.000 Wikipedia. When you go to wikipedia.com, I love pulling up James O'Keefe.

00:40:36.000 Let me pull up James O'Keefe on Wikipedia.

00:40:38.000 Veritas is probably about one.

00:40:39.000 I'm sure it says very nice and honest and true things about him.

00:40:42.000 That's exactly the point.

00:40:44.000 So let me actually... James O'Keefe has got a lot of bad things in it.

00:40:47.000 It's framed, you know, very poorly.

00:40:51.000 But actually, let me pull up Project Veritas.

00:40:53.000 There we go.

00:40:54.000 Because Project Veritas, according to Wikipedia, is a far-right activist group founded by James O'Keefe.

00:41:00.000 It produces deceptively edited videos, undercover operations... We've talked about this a bit.

00:41:04.000 I like using Veritas specifically because it's all lies and opinion.

00:41:09.000 Jack, what does this say right here?

00:41:11.000 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

00:41:11.000 Can you read that?

00:41:14.000 Oh, it doesn't say from, you know, MegaDude539.

00:41:19.000 It doesn't say from at JackMurphyLive, does it?

00:41:23.000 No, no, this article is from Wikipedia.

00:41:26.000 The free encyclopedia.

00:41:26.000 Project Vertas.

00:41:28.000 From Wikipedia.

00:41:29.000 So who's responsible for that defamation?

00:41:31.000 I would say Wikipedia.

00:41:33.000 I'd say so.

00:41:33.000 I would argue that.

00:41:34.000 And I think no one's... You need to sue on that grounds.

00:41:38.000 James O'Keefe would need to file a lawsuit against Wikipedia for defamation.

00:41:42.000 I'm sorry, for libel.

00:41:43.000 And say that Wikipedia called us accusers of deceptively editing videos.

00:41:48.000 Now, my understanding is he recently won over the phrase deceptively edited in the New York Times case.

00:41:54.000 Yeah, he's never lost.

00:41:55.000 The case has not concluded yet, but a judge said that... Actually, maybe it wasn't the New York Times one, but I'm pretty sure he did win a case where he said it wasn't deceptively edited.

00:42:05.000 I could be wrong though, but anyway, I digress.

00:42:07.000 I love the way that they've got citations for far right and then deceptively edited.

00:42:13.000 That's the way that they're going to get out of it, right?

00:42:14.000 They're going to go to that citation.

00:42:16.000 We're just citing major news sources.

00:42:18.000 I think an argument has to be made.

00:42:20.000 You know why?

00:42:20.000 You got to go to court.

00:42:21.000 If Ian comes to me and says, Jack Murphy can't do a backflip.

00:42:26.000 And then I go, Jack Murphy can't do a backflip.

00:42:29.000 It's a fact.

00:42:31.000 Yeah, you're responsible for that if you did that.

00:42:33.000 Just because Ian told me and then I go out and say it and it's a fact doesn't mean the responsibility doesn't fall on me anymore.

00:42:39.000 Well, I'm going to talk to Larry Sanger, co-founder of Wikipedia, tomorrow on Jack Murphy Live.

00:42:44.000 Check it out on YouTube.

00:42:46.000 Maybe I'll talk him into filing suit on behalf of all these people against his former company that he started, because I'm pretty sure he's not in favor of what's going on there.

00:42:55.000 We've talked to him about, I think we talked to him about this.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, we did.

00:42:59.000 And I think the big distinction for Wikipedia is that it says it's from Wikipedia.

00:43:02.000 You can put all the citations in the world you want and say, don't look at me.

00:43:05.000 I was just citing this source.

00:43:06.000 It's like, bro, you said it was from you.

00:43:09.000 So Donald Trump is suing all these companies.

00:43:12.000 The establishment saying he's doomed to fail, the Knight Foundation saying he's doomed to fail, which is so insane to me.

00:43:18.000 When did these freedom of the press, defense of the little guy, turn into the pro-corporate, pro-big tech non-profits?

00:43:26.000 It was the Trump thing, man.

00:43:28.000 It was Trump.

00:43:29.000 All of a sudden, anything anybody said was bad.

00:43:31.000 If you listen to the media sources you grew up with, the people that you trusted, all of a sudden they went ape.

00:43:38.000 Yeah, and then the public went ape.

00:43:40.000 Could you imagine Donald Trump runs into a burning building, comes out singed but carrying a box of puppies,

00:43:47.000 and then Vox.com writes why puppies are actually bad?

00:43:50.000 Like it's a picture of Donald Trump and he's like, his hair's burned off,

00:43:54.000 he's just bald and scarred and he's like, but I saved the puppies.

00:43:57.000 They're the best puppies.

00:43:58.000 Everyone agrees.

00:43:59.000 They needed to live.

00:44:00.000 And they're like, actually puppies are a bad thing.

00:44:02.000 Baby puppies.

00:44:03.000 There's too many of them.

00:44:05.000 People aren't getting them spayed and neutered. 1.00

00:44:08.000 They spread corona.

00:44:09.000 This puppy looks like Hitler. 0.84

00:44:11.000 Oh my gosh!

00:44:12.000 And Trump saved him!

00:44:13.000 What does that say about Trump?

00:44:14.000 You know, my problem with Trump, kind of what you said earlier was what people love about him is that he's a fighter, is that I've known people in my life that are, have like anger issues and would like get really angry and punch a wall.

00:44:25.000 And that's like the fighter in them.

00:44:26.000 And it would break the wall or they'd break their hand.

00:44:29.000 They wouldn't solve the problem, but they just wanted to hit and fight. 0.65

00:44:32.000 And I'm worried that Trump just lashes out like irrationally and has no hope of Of getting them to change their terms of service?

00:44:40.000 I mean, what legal bounds would anyone have to get a private company to change their terms of service?

00:44:44.000 That's insane. 0.83

00:44:45.000 That's fascist. 0.73

00:44:46.000 You need to set precedent.

00:44:47.000 Yeah, you would need to do- you would.

00:44:49.000 So Trump files a lawsuit.

00:44:51.000 It's spaghetti on the wall.

00:44:52.000 The judge says- Exactly.

00:44:53.000 It's a fist on the wall.

00:44:54.000 You know, the allegations 1 through 100 are all bad, but 101, 102, and 103 are good.

00:45:01.000 Bring us back an argument around those.

00:45:03.000 That's how it goes.

00:45:04.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:45:05.000 That's what happened with the Covington kids with defamation.

00:45:10.000 They had like 33 claims.

00:45:11.000 The judge threw out 30 of them.

00:45:13.000 They kept three and the company settled because they were scared of discovery.

00:45:16.000 Now I'll tell you what's really interesting about this lawsuit with Trump.

00:45:18.000 There are actually a bunch of people on the left that are saying that these companies should not get these cases dismissed.

00:45:25.000 You know why?

00:45:27.000 They want Facebook and Twitter to agree, basically let the suit happen, and then move to discovery, subpoena Trump, get him under oath, get his emails, get his documents around January 6th.

00:45:41.000 Trump is saying, I was bad on this day for these reasons and I'm suing.

00:45:45.000 Twitter and Facebook could be like, okay, let's get your emails on that day and see what you were saying to prove whether or not you had the intention that we thought you did.

00:45:53.000 And then they get Trump's emails.

00:45:56.000 I guess we'll see if that's actually a flaw in their strategy as they push forward with the lawsuit.

00:46:01.000 I have to suspect, just the optimist in me, that somebody on Trump's team might have suggested that that would be an outcome.

00:46:11.000 Or, it's actually really simple.

00:46:13.000 Maybe Trump didn't actually do any of the things they accused him of doing.

00:46:16.000 Well, of course.

00:46:17.000 And so Trump's like, I don't care.

00:46:21.000 I think we know what Trump's emails are going to look like.

00:46:23.000 I think.

00:46:25.000 You there?

00:46:26.000 It's going to be really like short.

00:46:28.000 Yeah.

00:46:28.000 Lazy.

00:46:29.000 Does he even send emails?

00:46:30.000 Didn't he say he doesn't send emails?

00:46:32.000 Smart.

00:46:32.000 Yeah.

00:46:33.000 I mean, it is wise.

00:46:34.000 Why put anything in writing?

00:46:35.000 You know, you know, when you're talking to somebody who's been a little bit paranoid is when you're texting and then all of a sudden you get an audio, an audio message instead of a text.

00:46:44.000 That's all I do is I send audio messages now.

00:46:45.000 I don't text anymore.

00:46:46.000 I leave everything out of text unless it is a hundred percent necessary.

00:46:50.000 30, 30 second audio clips to say what I got to say.

00:46:52.000 That's it.

00:46:53.000 If you can keep those and share those, maybe fine.

00:46:55.000 You're really putting an extra effort for that then.

00:46:59.000 I guess audio is better.

00:47:00.000 At least there's context.

00:47:01.000 You can hear my tone of voice at least.

00:47:03.000 Yeah.

00:47:04.000 Twitter doesn't work at all.

00:47:07.000 And I think this... I don't know if I'm just biased.

00:47:11.000 Maybe that's the case.

00:47:12.000 But people on the left, man, they really, really have a hard time.

00:47:15.000 They have a really hard time.

00:47:16.000 So like, Siwon had tweeted something as a joke, sarcastically, about, you know, I don't know, fascism or something.

00:47:23.000 And then I responded with, so you admit it.

00:47:25.000 That's like, I love tweeting at people, so you admit it.

00:47:28.000 To like, the joke is, I'm taking what they say out of context to apply it's literal, and it's a joke.

00:47:35.000 The people who follow me totally get that it's a joke.

00:47:40.000 I don't know about China specifically, but WeChat banned LGBTQ accounts.

00:47:47.000 Tons of them.

00:47:48.000 Wiped it out.

00:47:48.000 Wiped out all this content.

00:47:50.000 And Vosh tweeted, this is the right move in furtherance of glorious communism.

00:47:55.000 Long live President Xi Jinping.

00:47:58.000 Obviously he's not being serious.

00:47:59.000 So you admit it, eh?

00:48:00.000 That's what I said. So I tweeted, so you admit it, and then immediately,

00:48:04.000 I knew I had to do this. I replied with, in before anyone thinks either of these tweets are real.

00:48:09.000 I knew he was joking. Like he's not praising, she's making a joke. And then I responded with the joke,

00:48:14.000 obviously. 1.00

00:48:15.000 Bro, so many people were just like, you're so dumb. 1.00

00:48:18.000 Like why she's not serious. 0.99

00:48:21.000 So imagine, imagine if these people who are that dumb, I'm sorry, family are your actual family, your actual mom or your sister or your cousin who are reading your tweets and taking all the jokes seriously. 0.98

00:48:37.000 And none of the serious stuff, seriously. 0.99

00:48:40.000 I'm like, you guys just have to stop reading.

00:48:42.000 Just stop reading my social media.

00:48:44.000 Because they think that the stuff that is specifically trolly, that is meant to push people away, that is, if you're in on it, is obviously a joke.

00:48:54.000 And if you're not in on it, good, go away.

00:48:57.000 They're part of the good go away crowd and they're like, oh my god, What's happened to you?

00:49:01.000 Oh, we don't even know you anymore! 1.00

00:49:03.000 You're a monster! 1.00

00:49:05.000 Did a bunch of people, like, just eat a brick of fluoride or something? 0.99

00:49:09.000 Because, like, something happened where there's, like, people who don't understand jokes anymore.

00:49:15.000 But listen, it's not about just understanding jokes.

00:49:17.000 There are people who can't differentiate fact from fiction.

00:49:21.000 So there's people like us where we're kind of skeptical in a lot of ways.

00:49:25.000 We're well-researched.

00:49:27.000 Not geniuses.

00:49:28.000 We don't know everything.

00:49:29.000 We're wrong a lot.

00:49:30.000 Sure, Jack.

00:49:31.000 You're the best.

00:49:31.000 No, that's Ian I'm talking about.

00:49:33.000 Jack's the genius.

00:49:33.000 Ian's the genius.

00:49:35.000 Jack's the smart one.

00:49:35.000 So I can be like, here's what I think based on this.

00:49:38.000 I can have a conversation.

00:49:39.000 Let's say I'll have a debate or a discussion with a leftist personality.

00:49:44.000 And I'll say something like, when it comes to universal health care, you have an argument between utilitarianism and deontological philosophy.

00:49:50.000 And he goes, I don't know what that is.

00:49:52.000 And you try to explain it to them, and then maybe I'll be like, okay, I got to dumb it down for you.

00:49:57.000 So maybe I'll use a movie reference because you're clearly not at the same level, but I'm trying to communicate. 0.99

00:50:01.000 And then they'll start laughing, being like, duh, he said Marvel, he's so dumb. 0.93

00:50:05.000 How do you, you have these people that hear Brian Seltzer go, Donald Trump is working for Russia or something like 0.95

00:50:11.000 And then you get Chris Hayes, where you got Jonathan Chait saying, Trump may have been a Russian asset since the 1980s.

00:50:11.000 that.

00:50:16.000 And they go, whoa.

00:50:18.000 And then the Mueller report comes out, it's all not true, and they go, whoa.

00:50:22.000 And then Rachel Maddow comes out and says, Russia again, and they go, whoa.

00:50:26.000 Tucker Carlson, Russia, whoa!

00:50:29.000 And then meanwhile, people like us, on this side, whatever, are going like, well something's not right, you can't just say both things, like which one's true and which one isn't. 0.98

00:50:37.000 But I seriously think when you look at the Democratic establishment, these are people who are either lying, many of them probably are, or are just too dumb to like actually do any of the work. 0.94

00:50:49.000 It's definitely both. 0.99

00:50:50.000 I mean, I think it's both.

00:50:51.000 Look at, I think Ethan Klein is a really good example.

00:50:55.000 Because what started the feud with him and Steven Crowder is when he said, bro, you don't even got to do any research.

00:51:00.000 Just like it's on the CDC.

00:51:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:02.000 The kind of people who would be like, I have no responsibility and I don't care.

00:51:02.000 Yeah.

00:51:07.000 They're going to go and be like, I don't know dude, CNN just said, I don't want to do anything.

00:51:11.000 Like, why do I have to do work?

00:51:13.000 I think that's, that's an example. 1.00

00:51:14.000 Like Ethan, maybe dumb's not the right word, but ignorant. 0.99

00:51:17.000 He'll talk about things he doesn't know about, like what he just did about the CDC. 0.99

00:51:21.000 Um, just don't even think about it, that comment.

00:51:23.000 But he's, he will also lie for, for comic value, like just to have fun with someone.

00:51:27.000 So it's both.

00:51:28.000 Do you think like, so when he said just trust the CDC, it's easy.

00:51:32.000 Do you think if I said to Ethan Klein, yo bro, the Tuskegee experiments, You know his answer is going to be, I don't know what that is.

00:51:38.000 He's like, they didn't make peanuts.

00:51:40.000 Yeah.

00:51:41.000 What?

00:51:42.000 No, it's just a joke.

00:51:43.000 You remember, you see that getting things confused with Jimmy Carter and then the peanut guy and then the other guy.

00:51:48.000 He was a peanut farmer, Jimmy Carter.

00:51:49.000 He was.

00:51:50.000 Now, listen, I think what we're seeing revealed by the left is their lack of sense making and they don't have a sense making life cycle.

00:51:57.000 So they don't actually have built into them some way of understanding and sifting through all the information to come to the right idea.

00:52:05.000 Dissociated?

00:52:06.000 They've sort of, um, uh, uh, um, uh, dis, discircuted.

00:52:11.000 Dissociated or?

00:52:11.000 Is that a word?

00:52:12.000 Uncircuted.

00:52:13.000 Discircuted.

00:52:13.000 Is that a word?

00:52:14.000 Dissociated.

00:52:15.000 They, no, no, they, they, they've stripped out the circuitry for sensemaking.

00:52:19.000 They haven't like adopted this new skill, which we all have, which is you hear it here.

00:52:23.000 You hear it there.

00:52:23.000 You go over here.

00:52:24.000 You look over there.

00:52:25.000 You listen to 12 different people, experts, all of them, plus your friend and your cousin.

00:52:29.000 You put it all together.

00:52:30.000 And with actual research and independent opinions from people from all across the spectrum, you come to a conclusion.

00:52:36.000 Yes.

00:52:36.000 Now that that's a process.

00:52:39.000 Sense-making is a process that comes through dialogue and conversation and experimentation.

00:52:45.000 These people on the left are revealing they have no sense-making skills.

00:52:49.000 Right.

00:52:49.000 They just say a thing and they just move on from the thing.

00:52:52.000 They say a thing, they move on from the thing.

00:52:54.000 They haven't developed the ability to figure out what's actually real.

00:52:57.000 You need to kind of remove your emotions from the situation.

00:53:00.000 You're going to come to it with humility.

00:53:02.000 You're going to be wrong.

00:53:03.000 You're going to find out the things you thought were real aren't real a lot of times.

00:53:06.000 And that's why when we teach sensemaking in the Luminal Order, one of the things that we really focus on, are you hungry?

00:53:11.000 Are you angry?

00:53:12.000 Are you lonely?

00:53:13.000 Are you tired right now?

00:53:14.000 Because this is going to affect the way that you process this information that you're receiving.

00:53:18.000 Have you ever actually thought about any of those feelings, even?

00:53:23.000 A lot of people will just be like, they'll go to the fridge and they'll eat, and no one's ever stopped them and said, are you hungry right now?

00:53:29.000 And they'll go, no, I'm just bored.

00:53:32.000 I've been thinking a lot about anger lately, like what causes anger?

00:53:35.000 A lot of times it's sadness or Madness.

00:53:39.000 And what causes madness?

00:53:41.000 If you're not being listened to, if you feel like you're not being seen, you can become mad.

00:53:44.000 And then if that's untended, then you can become angry.

00:53:47.000 Anger is the worst.

00:53:48.000 I mean, I think anger is like the worst, worst mind state you can be in.

00:53:52.000 You know what they say, there's two things, there's two bits of advice.

00:53:54.000 One's family friendly and one's not family friendly.

00:53:57.000 The first bit of advice is eat before you go grocery shopping.

00:53:59.000 Definitely.

00:54:00.000 Because people go in there and like, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream.

00:54:03.000 And it's like you go home and you're like, bro, I can't get any of this.

00:54:07.000 I just wanted the ice cream right now, so that's all I want.

00:54:09.000 No, you eat a good meal, go to the store, and then you're like, I'll get a little bit of that.

00:54:13.000 The other one is less family-friendly, but they say if you're a dude, before you go on a date, you gotta go take care of business.

00:54:19.000 That's that clarity.

00:54:19.000 So you get that mental clarity, otherwise start thinking wrong things, right?

00:54:22.000 It doesn't always work.

00:54:23.000 Remove the sense of urgency.

00:54:26.000 That's what we're talking about.

00:54:28.000 Get good in the moment.

00:54:30.000 Make sure you're not hungry, angry, lonely, or tired.

00:54:32.000 Make sure you've squatted.

00:54:33.000 Make sure you've slept.

00:54:35.000 And then make sure you bounce all those things off people, a network of people that you have built.

00:54:40.000 I don't think that these guys on the left have have demonstrated any ability to sense make or to accelerate their process of observing, understanding, making a decision and taking action or the OODA loop, right?

00:54:54.000 Observe, orient, decide and act.

00:54:56.000 You know what I think about when I think about the left?

00:54:58.000 It's collectivism.

00:54:59.000 The idea that they're safer if they're just part of this collective.

00:55:02.000 They don't want to challenge it.

00:55:03.000 Their brains just say what they say is true.

00:55:05.000 But I think about the gazelle.

00:55:07.000 As they're running through the fields and the lion's chasing after them.

00:55:11.000 Yeah, they're safer in a pack.

00:55:12.000 Why?

00:55:13.000 Because someone else gets eaten.

00:55:15.000 The survival tactic is to run faster than the other ones.

00:55:18.000 When you're in a group, the lion will get one of them, but it ain't gonna be you, hopefully.

00:55:22.000 That's the mentality.

00:55:22.000 Wow.

00:55:23.000 And don't run too fast either.

00:55:24.000 Right?

00:55:25.000 You just don't, you want to be right smack dab in the middle.

00:55:28.000 That is the safest place, is in the middle, where all of your friends, family, colleagues, and associates will get eaten before you do. 0.99

00:55:35.000 Because that's what cowards do! 0.96

00:55:37.000 When you're on, when you're in the collective, You're hoping that when the war comes, other people get killed and it's not you. 0.98

00:55:42.000 But guess what?

00:55:43.000 You may be that sacrifice.

00:55:45.000 When you're an individual, it's all on you.

00:55:48.000 You might die.

00:55:48.000 You might succeed.

00:55:49.000 The line might get you.

00:55:51.000 But it's on you to choose what to do, where to go, and how to fight, and how to survive.

00:55:54.000 And who is easier?

00:55:56.000 What position is easier to just be like, hey, let's go to war?

00:56:00.000 Like the gazelle in the middle of the pack?

00:56:02.000 Yeah.

00:56:03.000 Or the lone one running on his own, like, what should we do?

00:56:06.000 We were just talking about this, about predators on the savannah.

00:56:10.000 It's like, we've encountered each other.

00:56:11.000 We can fight, we can maybe maim each other, or we can just go like this, and just go about our business.

00:56:17.000 I watched two bears go at it, and they bit each other's faces, and, like, ripped each other's faces open, and then they were just, like, walking around, breathing heavy, just bleeding faces.

00:56:24.000 Like, what was the point of that?

00:56:26.000 And fortunately, humans have kind of figured out why would we beat each other up and break each other when we just weaken each other?

00:56:33.000 There's no point to it.

00:56:34.000 War happens sometimes.

00:56:35.000 If you're dying and you need stuff, you gotta take it from somebody.

00:56:38.000 I'd say it happens frequently.

00:56:39.000 In fact, it's all throughout history ever since the very beginning.

00:56:42.000 We are war-like people.

00:56:44.000 We're war people.

00:56:45.000 We're warmongers.

00:56:47.000 The Christians have a god that says, I am a god of war. 1.00

00:56:51.000 I read this in the Bible the other day.

00:56:53.000 I don't like collectivism.

00:56:54.000 I've been in unions.

00:56:54.000 And you know what?

00:56:55.000 I've been held back by them.

00:56:55.000 confrontation like simulated warfare like psychological we're doing it to

00:56:58.000 each other no it's just a conflict conflict comes in many forms I don't I

00:57:02.000 don't like collectivism I've been in unions and you know what I've been held

00:57:06.000 back by them that caused me problems and they always come back and they say

00:57:09.000 things like if it wasn't for the Union you wouldn't have X Y & Z and I'm like

00:57:13.000 no no if it wasn't for the Union you wouldn't have X Y & Z so you're

00:57:15.000 advocating for it me I'll do fine I can leave and I got no problems to worry

00:57:19.000 about the problem I have to worry about is being dragged down attached to heavy

00:57:23.000 weights that are you and your group I'm better off on my own sounds like the

00:57:27.000 public school system I think a lot of people are just like, I can't succeed unless I band together with other people.

00:57:33.000 It's really hard.

00:57:34.000 The unions thing is really hard because look at the beginning, unions were really important.

00:57:38.000 They used to chain up factories.

00:57:40.000 They used to let factories burn down.

00:57:42.000 They used to not let kids take breaks.

00:57:43.000 They used to make people work eight hours, eight days a week, 25 hours a day.

00:57:47.000 That's different.

00:57:48.000 But the unions had to actually fix that.

00:57:50.000 I'm not saying that you never have any collective.

00:57:53.000 No, I know.

00:57:53.000 I'm just saying.

00:57:54.000 You brought up unions and I struggle with this, right?

00:57:56.000 Because they solve serious problems.

00:57:59.000 And now they're creating problems.

00:57:59.000 No, no.

00:58:01.000 Bro, you're talking about something else a hundred years ago.

00:58:03.000 Same word, different structure. 0.99

00:58:04.000 Unions today are like corporate machines to siphon money away from dumb people. 0.99

00:58:08.000 Dude, I know who Randy Weingarten is, man. 0.99

00:58:10.000 I know what's going on.

00:58:11.000 Who is Randy Weingarten?

00:58:12.000 She's the leading union rep for the teachers.

00:58:16.000 And collectively with the NEA and the other one, they're about ready to say that they're not going to work this fall unless all students are vaccinated.

00:58:25.000 Good.

00:58:25.000 Schools are terrible.

00:58:26.000 I understand.

00:58:27.000 I'm just saying, I'm watching this lady just destroy the whole freaking education market because she's, she's advocating for her, for what she thinks the teachers as professionals need rather than what the kids need. 1.00

00:58:39.000 I need to clarify something, too, because I tweeted that they're not teaching critical race theory, they're teaching critical rate applied principles, and that was because somebody superchatted us.

00:58:48.000 I have been saying this for a while now, and I was criticized for it, and I think people on Twitter, like, you know, Jameson, who tweeted this, I don't think they've actually seen or listened to my podcast where I've talked about this.

00:58:58.000 I've criticized Christopher Rufo and James Lindsay for saying critical race theory over and over again.

00:59:02.000 I respect the work they're doing tremendously.

00:59:04.000 But when you say critical race theory, they come out and they show you the book Critical Race Theory by Kimberly Crenshaw and they say, no student has been taught from this book!

00:59:12.000 That's insane!

00:59:14.000 And so you look at the interviews and I came out right away saying they're not teaching critical race theory.

00:59:18.000 They're teaching praxis.

00:59:20.000 It's theory in practice.

00:59:22.000 So, I've long said critical theory in practice.

00:59:25.000 It is the indoctrination through the ideologies of critical race theory, not directly critical race theory.

00:59:30.000 And it's important to use language that specifically can't hide from, like, perhaps, identitarianism.

00:59:34.000 Love that word, by the way.

00:59:35.000 Identitarianism.

00:59:36.000 Because then we're like, what's that?

00:59:37.000 It's like people who believe that identity, or race, race specifically, should be the principal factor in how the rules and the lessons go, and they're teaching kids to view the world based on race.

00:59:48.000 Most people are going to be like, nah, I don't like that.

00:59:50.000 As a joke, I said, we need Critical Race Praxis. 0.99

00:59:54.000 I was like, it's crap. 0.97

00:59:55.000 And then someone said, Critical Race Applied Principles. 0.97

00:59:57.000 I don't think we need the applied, because race has an R and an A in it, so you have your C-R-A-P, Critical Race Praxis. 0.93

01:00:03.000 James Lindsay, did you put a little A?

01:00:05.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:00:06.000 Critical Race Applied Principles are insane. 1.00

01:00:09.000 It's crap. 0.99

01:00:10.000 They're not teaching CRT. 0.99

01:00:11.000 They're doing CRT on the students, which is a very fine distinction.

01:00:17.000 I understand that.

01:00:18.000 But I'm going to have both Lindsay and Rufo on my show on the first week of July, I believe.

01:00:24.000 No, late first week of August.

01:00:25.000 Thanks.

01:00:26.000 I hope you guys talk about the delineation between applying the practice and teaching the theory.

01:00:34.000 That is big now, they're talking about it more.

01:00:35.000 Praxis.

01:00:36.000 But praxis is a word defined to confuse regular people, so you also don't want to use that.

01:00:41.000 Use the word praxis instead.

01:00:42.000 They say praxis because it is a dog whistle that regular people won't understand, and their allies do understand.

01:00:51.000 You need to use language, and I'll admit, identitarianism, a lot of people wouldn't understand either.

01:00:57.000 The point is, it's exactly their tactic.

01:00:59.000 Let's just talk about this for one quick second, though.

01:01:02.000 I, there has been amongst the people who are fighting this an argument, an internecine battle, as it were, about people saying that CRT is explicitly anti-white or not.

01:01:17.000 And I would just like to interject some nuance here.

01:01:20.000 CRT is definitely explicitly anti-white, but not as its primary goal.

01:01:26.000 Its primary goal is to disrupt and to take power.

01:01:30.000 So they're just sort of using the anti-whiteness as a way for them to take the power that they want, which is really to inject the false consciousness to do this class war that they're doing.

01:01:39.000 So it's at once anti-white and not.

01:01:42.000 Who's saying it's not anti-white? 1.00

01:01:45.000 There are plenty of folks, actually, even on the right side who are arguing about this right now.

01:01:50.000 That's just completely and factually incorrect.

01:01:57.000 Critical race theory is rooted in critical theory, which is the idea of the oppressed and the oppressors.

01:02:03.000 Critical race theory, built upon the Marxist ideology of oppressed and oppressor, By introducing race as the primary component, not class.

01:02:12.000 Marx felt that there was the bourgeoisie, the proletariat, it was the wealthy elites versus the poor workers.

01:02:17.000 And the critical race theorist said, these philosophers or these individuals did not understand racial politics in the United States and in the West.

01:02:26.000 Thus, we need a framework that builds upon their ideas, incorporating racism from the United States.

01:02:31.000 Which is, there are oppressed and oppressors, and the oppressors are all white. 0.75

01:02:37.000 But if you think of ancient cultures, if you were applying this practice like in northern Africa,

01:02:42.000 where it was like a black population with a king, and then they had like white slaves from like 0.80

01:02:46.000 Italy and it would be anti-black. 0.97

01:02:50.000 No it wouldn't. 0.98

01:02:50.000 Because you'd be like, the power structure is black, they're subjugating white people. 0.98

01:02:54.000 That is not critical race theory, you didn't read it. 0.86

01:02:56.000 They say whiteness is property.

01:02:57.000 Literally the word white.

01:02:59.000 Whiteness is property. 0.98

01:03:00.000 It's from the 90s.

01:03:01.000 They wrote this a long time ago.

01:03:03.000 What you're saying is, if they wanted to view race as oppressed and oppressor, it could be different.

01:03:07.000 It could be, but they didn't write that.

01:03:09.000 So if you want to make Ian race theory, by all means go ahead and do it and you can build upon critical race theory.

01:03:13.000 The critical race theorists have literally stated whiteness, whiteness they write books, anti-whiteness, whiteness is a problem.

01:03:19.000 They said whiteness is a tangible physical property.

01:03:22.000 It is an asset individuals have that grants them things.

01:03:26.000 Well, you could also apply critical theory to race and it not be about that.

01:03:29.000 I don't care what they call it.

01:03:30.000 If they want to call it critical race theory, I don't care.

01:03:32.000 So you're not talking about what we're talking about.

01:03:33.000 I'm not using the big capital letters.

01:03:35.000 I'm talking about what critical race theory is.

01:03:37.000 No, you're not.

01:03:37.000 It could be about non, any race.

01:03:38.000 Okay, Ian, you're talking about something totally different.

01:03:40.000 You're talking about something, a term they've coined.

01:03:42.000 I think, I think you're both right, which is the nuance I'm trying to inject here, which is that the, the folks like Kendi and, and Robin and all these and Crenshaw and whatever, They are actually occupied brains.

01:03:56.000 Their brains have been occupied by the class people. 1.00

01:03:59.000 The critical people.

01:04:00.000 The people that want to just use the oppressor-oppressor model to upset the power structure so that they can take power.

01:04:07.000 Race is just a new vector. 0.96

01:04:08.000 So all those folks are 100% sincere in what they're saying.

01:04:12.000 It's a trip up.

01:04:13.000 It is.

01:04:13.000 That's why I'm saying it's both!

01:04:15.000 It's both!

01:04:16.000 It's at once neither and both at the same time, which makes it very hard and difficult to discuss.

01:04:21.000 There is a class-based divide.

01:04:24.000 You've got the political class, the industrial class, and the regular people who are being jammed in the gutter and beaten down, having their jobs sent overseas.

01:04:33.000 These people occupy seats of government through their wealthy connections.

01:04:36.000 They should wear all the patches for all their sponsors.

01:04:38.000 So what do they do?

01:04:40.000 When Occupy Wall Street pops its ugly head, they say, introduce critical race theory.

01:04:44.000 What did that do?

01:04:45.000 It took that idea of class-based problems and flipped it sideways, so now poor people are fighting poor people.

01:04:51.000 And yes, whiteness is a core component of this. 0.95

01:04:54.000 It is inherently a US ideology that seeks to address the Marxist views Through the lens of Western race politics.

01:05:03.000 What I don't get is, if a kid is born, a white kid is born to a broken home with a mother that he never sees, that's so poor, and his mom's a junkie, a heroin junkie, he's way less privileged than a black kid that's born to two, a man and a woman, affluent, super wealthy, educated, awesome friends. 0.54

01:05:20.000 Of course, the number one privilege in America is I have a dad privilege.

01:05:24.000 That is the number one privilege in America.

01:05:27.000 Which is why we should have a whole month dedicated to fathers.

01:05:31.000 Which is why June should be fatherhood month. 1.00

01:05:34.000 Just call it that.

01:05:35.000 Celebrate it.

01:05:35.000 Imagine if we spent the money... Now look, I have gay friends, I've got gay family members, I believe that gay people should be able to get married, and I have all the emotion in the world for them to have all the rights that they want.

01:05:46.000 Pride is now totally effed up, okay?

01:05:49.000 HRC is totally effed up. 0.99

01:05:50.000 There are people that I know that are homosexual, that don't even want to call themselves gay anymore for how screwed up the gay thing has become. 0.99

01:06:00.000 What do you mean? 0.99

01:06:01.000 Politically speaking.

01:06:02.000 The politics of it.

01:06:03.000 They're gay men, they're married to gay men, they love men, but they don't even want to identify as gay anymore because the Human Rights Commission and Pride and all that stuff is so political and has been so hijacked.

01:06:16.000 But imagine if we spent the money corporate sponsorship.

01:06:20.000 How much corporate money went into sponsoring Pride?

01:06:23.000 Which involves kink at parades in front of children. 0.96

01:06:27.000 How much money went into that?

01:06:29.000 How much money could go into sponsoring Fatherhood?

01:06:33.000 It's simple, bro.

01:06:33.000 And what kind of spillover effect would that have?

01:06:36.000 Don't worry about that.

01:06:37.000 You should just tell all of your people to start celebrating June as Fatherhood Month.

01:06:41.000 I do!

01:06:41.000 I do it!

01:06:42.000 June is Fatherhood Month.

01:06:43.000 That's it.

01:06:44.000 You build the culture.

01:06:44.000 And instead of people going, like, the government should mandate this, the government should decree this, we'll just do it.

01:06:51.000 We will literally do it and say, June is the month of fatherhood.

01:06:54.000 We literally do it.

01:06:56.000 And July should be the month of motherhood. 0.99

01:06:59.000 And it should cherish the feminine.

01:07:01.000 The nurturing, the positive aspects of femininity that are being washed away by intersectionality feminism, gender theory, and the critical race theorists, their weird overlap with gender.

01:07:12.000 We should respect both parents.

01:07:14.000 I think that that weird overlap with gender is a good sign of what I'm talking about, which is it's really not actually about race.

01:07:21.000 It's really not even about genders.

01:07:23.000 It's really just about power.

01:07:26.000 I think it's, I think.

01:07:27.000 But it is anti-white at the same time. 0.91

01:07:29.000 It is anti-white. 0.74

01:07:30.000 In its current iteration.

01:07:32.000 In its current iteration.

01:07:33.000 In the way, what I guess you're saying, there is no critical race theory that's ever been written that wasn't anti-white? 0.54

01:07:38.000 No.

01:07:38.000 You're like, oh, critical race theory.

01:07:40.000 Yes, but critical theory in itself.

01:07:42.000 It would be like if, if a guy came up and said, I've come up with something called race theory, which is how to win a race as fast as possible.

01:07:48.000 And you went, actually race theory is about the color of your skin.

01:07:51.000 He'd be like, uh, no, no, no.

01:07:54.000 I've literally created this.

01:07:55.000 I've wrote a book about it.

01:07:56.000 It's about running fast.

01:07:57.000 And you went, nope, you're wrong.

01:07:59.000 Like, dude, these people explained this very explicitly, what critical race theory is.

01:08:03.000 Yeah, but those are just three common words.

01:08:05.000 If you want to create your own theory of the same phrase to confuse people and tear away- That's what I'm doing here, Tim.

01:08:12.000 And break away from the argument to give them power and to obfuscate what they're doing.

01:08:15.000 Yeah, I don't like playing by their definitions.

01:08:17.000 I think that's an automatic loss, so I don't do that.

01:08:20.000 The point is, When people say critical race theory is not anti-white, they're empowering the critical race theorists.

01:08:27.000 Ah, I see.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, you don't want to say it's not what they say it is.

01:08:30.000 You want to say it's something else.

01:08:31.000 Well, we need to know what it is.

01:08:32.000 We need to define what we're targeting.

01:08:34.000 One of the clever things they do is screw with semantics on purpose so that you can't fight it.

01:08:39.000 That's why they're like, we want to teach critical race theory in schools.

01:08:42.000 And you go, don't teach critical race theory in schools.

01:08:44.000 They go, we're not teaching critical race theory in schools.

01:08:47.000 We're just doing critical race theory.

01:08:48.000 That's right.

01:08:48.000 We're applying it.

01:08:49.000 Then they brag about Praxis.

01:08:51.000 And they're like, they've gone on TV and said praxis in schools and all that stuff.

01:08:55.000 And regular people are just confused by that.

01:08:58.000 And they don't hear any opposition to it.

01:08:59.000 Praxeology is like trying to state just like the natural occurrence or observation of things in the universe, right?

01:09:05.000 It's about like just analyzing things as they exist.

01:09:08.000 It's not about promoting something.

01:09:11.000 It's not about an ideology.

01:09:12.000 It's not about advancing something.

01:09:14.000 Which is why, for them, it's like a strategic retreat into something that they feel like they can't be in.

01:09:19.000 Critical race praxis is the application of theory.

01:09:22.000 That's what it means.

01:09:23.000 So when they're in schools and they're asking you questions that are based on this ideology, they're implementing the theory.

01:09:31.000 The way I describe it is, imagine if you went to school.

01:09:34.000 Imagine if your kid went to school and they came back with a workbook about self-improvement and being a better person.

01:09:40.000 And it said in the book, explain why Jesus is great.

01:09:46.000 They didn't redo gospel.

01:09:47.000 They didn't cite anything from the Bible.

01:09:49.000 They didn't say to go to church on Sunday.

01:09:51.000 They want you to explain why Jesus is good.

01:09:53.000 Imagine if they wrote, why does not having faith in Jesus make you feel sad?

01:09:58.000 And then you have to write it, fill in the blank.

01:09:59.000 That's what they're doing with critical race applied principles.

01:10:02.000 Right.

01:10:02.000 The whole prompt is already right there in the question.

01:10:04.000 Yeah.

01:10:05.000 At the end of the day, after you realize how racist you've been, do you feel good, bad, or very bad?

01:10:10.000 Yeah.

01:10:11.000 So what they're doing is, they've gone into schools, they've built curriculums specifically around this ideology, which as far as I'm concerned is a non-theistic religion, and they're desperately trying to use definitions to hide what they're doing.

01:10:25.000 So if you go to a... And really, the whole critical race theory and its applied principles are racist towards everybody, to be completely honest, but they specifically use the word whiteness, targeting white people as the oppressor.

01:10:39.000 So what happens?

01:10:40.000 If you allow them to change the definition and start defending them, saying, well, I guess it could be about any country.

01:10:45.000 Like in China, the Han Chinese are oppressing the Uyghur Muslims and the Falun Gong and stuff like that.

01:10:49.000 So critical race is actually not that bad.

01:10:51.000 No, no, no.

01:10:52.000 That word, that phrase, that book is specifically about Western racial politics.

01:10:56.000 So when a little kid comes home from school and the mother says, what did you learn?

01:11:00.000 He says, critical race theory.

01:11:01.000 And then she hears Ian's definition.

01:11:02.000 She goes, that's not so bad. 1.00

01:11:04.000 But when she hears what it actually is, that that little kid says, mom, you're evil and I hate your guts because the book said white people are bad. 0.99

01:11:11.000 Then she's going to be like, that's what they're teaching you? 0.99

01:11:13.000 So is it when they say whiteness is bad, but you don't have to be white to exhibit whiteness. 0.53

01:11:18.000 You can be a black person exhibiting whiteness. 1.00

01:11:20.000 Semantic manipulation.

01:11:22.000 When you tell someone a white person, what do they think?

01:11:24.000 Do they think a black person? 0.67

01:11:24.000 Of course not. 0.67

01:11:25.000 Do they think an Asian person?

01:11:26.000 Of course they don't.

01:11:27.000 They imagine a white dude with brown hair or whatever.

01:11:31.000 So they're telling kids, white, white, white, white, white. 0.89

01:11:33.000 And then when the parents go, why are you telling kids that white people are evil?

01:11:37.000 No, no, we don't mean your skin. 0.95

01:11:40.000 We mean just like the people with power.

01:11:45.000 And they go, oh, okay, I guess.

01:11:48.000 It's a way to manipulate people, but it's very simple.

01:11:52.000 When they say whiteness, and they say blackness, and they say black and brown, there's no argument that they're not talking about white people. 0.93

01:12:00.000 They say black and brown people.

01:12:01.000 Are they referring to Luke Rydkowski, who's got blonde hair and blue eyes?

01:12:05.000 Apparently he's Slavic, so that counts.

01:12:06.000 No, of course not.

01:12:08.000 If Luke was walking down the street, they would say he was white.

01:12:11.000 And if he argued against them, at the very least, they'd say, you're white-passing.

01:12:15.000 They'd tell me, I'm white-passing, therefore I have white privilege.

01:12:18.000 But it's not about being white?

01:12:20.000 It's about the concept of whiteness? 0.54

01:12:22.000 That's a lie.

01:12:22.000 No, it isn't.

01:12:23.000 To trick dumb parents who don't realize their children are being indoctrinated to be identitarians to effectively be akin to Nazis. 0.99

01:12:32.000 Authoritarian, race-based policy. 0.99

01:12:35.000 I think one of I think one of the ways it's obvious that it's about power more than anything is the way that they just took everything about America.

01:12:35.000 Screw that.

01:12:42.000 And then they said, this is whiteness and it's bad. 0.98

01:12:45.000 It's like, let's just we want to destroy this country and take it over for ourselves.

01:12:45.000 Right.

01:12:48.000 And we want all the money.

01:12:49.000 We want all the prestige.

01:12:50.000 We want all the benefits.

01:12:52.000 So what do we do?

01:12:53.000 We say, oh, all the things that made America great.

01:12:57.000 We call them white now and now we call them racists.

01:13:00.000 You had mentioned before that the United States was a white religious ethnostate, basically, in its formation.

01:13:06.000 That was the point.

01:13:07.000 I mean, basically, it says right there in the original founding documents that we've created this country for us and for our posterity.

01:13:14.000 And who was it created by?

01:13:15.000 They call the Native American savages.

01:13:17.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 Who was it created by?

01:13:18.000 It was created by a bunch of bunch of white guys. 0.73

01:13:19.000 Yeah, sure.

01:13:20.000 There were some Catholics in Maryland.

01:13:21.000 There's some Protestants up in up in New England.

01:13:24.000 But like basically it was a bunch of white dudes and they it says right in the document.

01:13:29.000 What does that mean for our kids?

01:13:29.000 Posterity.

01:13:30.000 And black people are like worth three fifths of a human or something. 1.00

01:13:33.000 That came later. 0.92

01:13:35.000 This is a really difficult thing.

01:13:36.000 I mean, clearly it's difficult, but like those folks wouldn't have been in the United States if it wasn't for the fact that for slavery.

01:13:43.000 Right.

01:13:43.000 They just wouldn't have been there.

01:13:44.000 Thomas Jefferson blamed the king for that.

01:13:46.000 He said, the original draft of the declaration, one of the complaints he had was that the

01:13:53.000 king had enacted the transatlantic slave trade, violating human decency by enslaving people 0.85

01:14:00.000 who had not offended him in any way, and then brought them to the colonies, imposing that

01:14:06.000 evil upon the colonies, and then asking them to take up arms against the colonists in exchange

01:14:12.000 for the freedom that was stolen from them.

01:14:14.000 Wow.

01:14:15.000 It was removed because Thomas Jefferson, because the Founding Fathers knew they needed the support of South Carolina and Georgia if there was going to be an actual fight for independence.

01:14:24.000 They thought they were gonna lose anyway.

01:14:26.000 I think it's really sad that he didn't include that.

01:14:28.000 And I also say, a bit hypocritical of the guy, because on his deathbed, he didn't free any of his slaves, and he had a ton.

01:14:32.000 Like, over 600.

01:14:33.000 So the point is, Bro, there are a lot of people who came out and were saying, like, they were offended that people had criticized the founding documents.

01:14:43.000 NPR said the founding documents had flaws.

01:14:45.000 And I'm like, sure.

01:14:46.000 Yeah.

01:14:48.000 But it planted great seeds.

01:14:49.000 And through those seeds of freedom, we fought.

01:14:51.000 And Abraham Lincoln cited the founding fathers' ideas as to why we're all credited equal.

01:14:55.000 And Frederick Douglass said, I want to make you live up to your own standards.

01:14:59.000 Brilliant.

01:15:00.000 So, some guy plants a fugly seed, and through cultivation and nurturing, we've developed a very beautiful crop.

01:15:06.000 It's been amazing.

01:15:07.000 Now they're trying to go back, and say, look how bad this was in the beginning.

01:15:11.000 Yeah, well, we've kind of fought really hard to fix all those things.

01:15:13.000 Right.

01:15:14.000 Right.

01:15:15.000 And I think that we ended like the transatlantic slave trade pretty early and banned a new sales.

01:15:20.000 And like we're constantly making progress on that from the jump at the very beginning.

01:15:25.000 And this is the part that is just infuriating.

01:15:28.000 You can see it in every instance.

01:15:30.000 They take today's standards and try to apply them to somebody from 400 years ago.

01:15:36.000 When the best you can ask of somebody in history is did you make some element of incremental change?

01:15:44.000 Yeah.

01:15:44.000 And even like five or six years ago, don't use today's rules and beliefs to blame people for things they said on the internet eight years ago.

01:15:52.000 Like Cenk Uygur screaming the N-word 10 years ago.

01:15:54.000 It was fine.

01:15:55.000 Yeah, he did a lot.

01:15:56.000 It was comedy.

01:15:56.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 I mean, George Carlin, Andrew Dice Clay, these guys would be, their families would be canceled if we held them to today's standards.

01:16:04.000 I don't know how the Young Turks still exist.

01:16:06.000 The name of their program is effectively the Hitler Youth.

01:16:09.000 Dude, I was just reading about the Armenian genocide during World War I.

01:16:13.000 The Ottoman Empire had this group called the Young Turks that basically took all these Armenians and marched them south, and 1.6 million Armenians died, and they still to this day say that wasn't a genocide.

01:16:25.000 If there's any good example of grifting, I think it's definitely the Young Turks. 1.00

01:16:31.000 Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, Aaron Maté, there's been this big feud going on between the Young Turks and them, and Cenk Uygur comes out and tweets, it's the alt-left!

01:16:41.000 And they made these false, out-of-context accusations, which then the alt-right started saying, and I'm just like, bro...

01:16:47.000 The alt-left was a nebulous term from a few years ago, people tried to work, and no one really uses it.

01:16:52.000 And the alt-right has literally nothing to do with why people don't like you.

01:16:56.000 Cenk Uygur accused Ermite of being paid by the Russians, and Anna Kasparian said something like, he seems to be working for dictators.

01:17:03.000 It was a smear, because they didn't like the journalism he does.

01:17:08.000 It sparked this huge feud. 0.95

01:17:10.000 I gotta say, you look back at the history of the Young Turks, the things Cenk Uygur has said about women, he got cancelled from the Justice Democrats over it, the videos of him talking about women and their junk and insulting, the things he's said, I actually don't care.

01:17:25.000 He's allowed to have his opinions and oftentimes he was joking, but he's dropped racial slurs repeatedly.

01:17:30.000 The name of their show is effectively the Hitler Youth.

01:17:33.000 Yet they just don't care. They don't care. So when he comes out and he's like,

01:17:36.000 these are unfounded accusations against us, I'm like, bro, you literally work for a company that's

01:17:41.000 like, effectively praising genocide. You know, like you've named yourself after a group that

01:17:46.000 committed a genocide. I don't think you're serious when you're talking about reform

01:17:51.000 and how people change because you didn't. Well, I don't know.

01:17:55.000 I mean, he has a little... I don't hear him screaming the N-word anymore, but... Anyway, my original point, I guess, is just don't... We're not... I'm not... Whatever.

01:18:04.000 People said crazy stuff in the past.

01:18:06.000 Let it go.

01:18:06.000 Today's today.

01:18:07.000 It's a different political climate.

01:18:09.000 This is my point.

01:18:10.000 Here's a guy...

01:18:11.000 The old Turks. 1.00

01:18:12.000 change the name of his company and he could. He could. Here's a guy who went on

01:18:16.000 and defended child stripping. He did. Oh of course they'll call it

01:18:22.000 something else. I don't care what they call it. The fact is there's a little kid

01:18:24.000 who was at a club full of adults taking his clothes off and they were throwing

01:18:27.000 money at him. He still had like undergarments on but as a little boy

01:18:33.000 And they did a whole segment defending it, probably more than one.

01:18:35.000 Jordan Klepper of Comedy Central did that as well.

01:18:37.000 And I'm like, at a certain point, you realize what these people do.

01:18:41.000 They're not progressive.

01:18:42.000 They're just... their path of least resistance.

01:18:47.000 When the media says you're allowed to make these jokes, it's edgy and it's fun, oh, they go on and they say every racial slur in the book.

01:18:53.000 They make fun of women.

01:18:55.000 They were talking about, like, you know, bottom shots of women climbing out of cars.

01:19:00.000 That's one thing they're getting heat for.

01:19:02.000 Nowadays, they're like, we won't do that because we're principled and we oppose misogyny.

01:19:05.000 No, you don't.

01:19:06.000 You're literally just saying lowest common denominator left talking points to fit in.

01:19:10.000 They're comedians, right?

01:19:11.000 Your opinions didn't change.

01:19:12.000 No, no, they're news presenters.

01:19:13.000 I mean, they had Jimmy Dore on there.

01:19:14.000 He's a comedian.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, they're not.

01:19:16.000 They're news presenters.

01:19:17.000 Yeah, that's what they call themselves.

01:19:18.000 I'll tell you this.

01:19:19.000 When I have a video from six, seven years ago where I'm like, segregated graduations are a bad thing. 0.99

01:19:24.000 And today I'm like, segregated graduations are a bad thing. 1.00

01:19:27.000 You hypocrite! 1.00

01:19:28.000 You have the same position! 1.00

01:19:29.000 Right.

01:19:30.000 Using a different definition for the word segregated.

01:19:32.000 Now hold on.

01:19:33.000 I have positions that have changed.

01:19:35.000 I used to be like, eh, gun control maybe.

01:19:37.000 Now I'm like, no gun control!

01:19:38.000 Boom, free guns for children and things like that.

01:19:40.000 That's not a path of least resistance for anybody.

01:19:43.000 The popular mainstream narrative is to be for gun control.

01:19:47.000 If anything, I've become more contrarian in opposition.

01:19:50.000 They've become more establishment, say whatever needs to be said.

01:19:54.000 We'll just say whatever.

01:19:55.000 They've got no opinions.

01:19:56.000 I want to ask Cenk about 2016 when Hillary's emails came out and it showed that they were like pushing Bernie Sanders out of the race.

01:20:03.000 Because that was when I saw Cenk, like, something snapped in his brain and he became almost sociopathic, like, having a hard time accepting the DNC.

01:20:11.000 I mean, I know he knows that there's corruption at DNC, but I want to just go deep on his brain about that.

01:20:15.000 No, I'll give him some credit.

01:20:16.000 He recently did an interview with The Hill where he said the Democratic establishment just lies all the time.

01:20:21.000 He's completely correct about that.

01:20:22.000 I just think his whole bit is stay where it's safe all the time.

01:20:26.000 And so he's like, we're changing our opinions for principle.

01:20:29.000 You're just staying in the safe.

01:20:29.000 It's like, no, you're not.

01:20:30.000 You're staying in the safest possible place you can.

01:20:33.000 When edginess was fun, you were in it.

01:20:35.000 Now, PC, you're in it.

01:20:37.000 Do something counter for once.

01:20:39.000 That's interesting perspective on the Overton window for them.

01:20:43.000 The Overton window for them has moved dramatically to now where even these guys that are leftists, who used to make jokes all the time about language and be what we would consider non-politically correct today, now the Overton window has shifted so far that they have to disavow their entire back catalog and just adopt a whole new system of language and thought in order to stay acceptable.

01:21:07.000 That's what you get when you're trying to stay inside the Overton window.

01:21:10.000 You know what's more fun?

01:21:11.000 Pushing the Overton window in different directions.

01:21:13.000 That's more fun.

01:21:14.000 I love it.

01:21:15.000 I'll absolutely stand up for myself and my principles.

01:21:20.000 I criticized Andy Ngo over him going on the ground into the fray with Antifa.

01:21:26.000 Long story short, I expressed my views.

01:21:30.000 And I got a lot of flack for it.

01:21:32.000 And I got called a grifter with no principles for what?

01:21:35.000 Was I trying to build a leftist audience?

01:21:38.000 These people hate me.

01:21:39.000 No, it's because I'm standing up for what I believe in, even if it's unpopular.

01:21:41.000 Even if it's a threat to my...

01:21:43.000 Even if there are people who follow me, like, I'm going to unfollow you.

01:21:45.000 I'm like, look, man, I can only tell you how I feel.

01:21:48.000 I made a tweet about anonymity and people took it out of context.

01:21:51.000 That was funny.

01:21:52.000 And I'm just going to say what I think, dude.

01:21:54.000 And if you don't want to hear it, I'm sorry.

01:21:55.000 Like you don't have to.

01:21:56.000 I appreciate you guys watching if you did.

01:21:56.000 You're not somewhere else.

01:21:58.000 But if you want to watch someone who's going to say tribalist opinions, go watch the Young Turks.

01:22:02.000 It's funny.

01:22:03.000 People I do the same thing and people will accuse me of punching right or or being a grifter or being controlled opposition.

01:22:11.000 Yeah.

01:22:12.000 I'm controlled opposition.

01:22:13.000 I love it when I get that one because basically it just means somebody on the far right doesn't like the fact that I'm boxing them out and saying, no, we don't really want you over here.

01:22:23.000 You're hurting us.

01:22:24.000 This big tent does not include you.

01:22:26.000 Okay.

01:22:27.000 And then they call me controlled opposition, which is hilarious.

01:22:30.000 Like how am I being controlled?

01:22:32.000 What are they giving me?

01:22:33.000 They giving me access and prestige.

01:22:34.000 Can I have my blue check, please?

01:22:36.000 I got denied.

01:22:37.000 Are they giving me money and support and resources?

01:22:40.000 No.

01:22:40.000 Are they giving me distribution?

01:22:42.000 No, are they shadow banning me?

01:22:43.000 Are they signing my shares and all that?

01:22:43.000 Yes.

01:22:46.000 Yes.

01:22:47.000 How am I controlled opposition?

01:22:49.000 It's a non thing.

01:22:50.000 You're the Trojan horse. 0.59

01:22:51.000 That's what I think of myself.

01:22:53.000 You've allowed yourself to become what seems like, you know, safe.

01:22:58.000 But then when they let you into the city, they realize you were there to I mean, I kind of feel like that's what I'm trying to do now.

01:23:04.000 I've reached such a bigger audience, a more mainstream audience that I can drop like red pill stuff from 10 years ago.

01:23:11.000 And it's like just old hat stuff that we got so tired of even talking about that now I'm in an audience now where it's like fresh news to people.

01:23:20.000 It's fascinating, actually.

01:23:21.000 It's like, oh, my life's very easy.

01:23:22.000 I just have to remember.

01:23:23.000 We were talking about 2010, and now the mainstream is actually ready for that in 2021, because all the things that we said were happening at that time back in 2010, all the crazy feminist conspiracies and all that, it's all come true!

01:23:37.000 I got something to say to the Young Turks. 0.99

01:23:40.000 You know, Cenk said, he called Jimmy Dore a monster.

01:23:42.000 He said, let's fight, that's what he said.

01:23:44.000 So I saw Cenk Uygur at Politicon a couple years ago.

01:23:48.000 And they had published, they did a video about this fake bit of research claiming that there was, it's called the Alternative Influencer Network.

01:23:56.000 They put my name right in the middle. 0.95

01:23:58.000 It was the most ridiculous BS. 0.58

01:23:59.000 They claimed that I had done interviews with people I'd never met before. 0.88

01:24:02.000 They claimed that I did a YouTube video with Stefan Molyneux.

01:24:04.000 I'd never met the guy.

01:24:06.000 And so when they did a video and they show the screenshot, my name's in the middle.

01:24:10.000 I saw Jenk standing in the hallway, and I was like, hey, you got a second?

01:24:12.000 And he's like, oh, hold on, I'm busy.

01:24:14.000 And he was talking to someone.

01:24:14.000 And after he was done, I was like, hey, I just wanted to mention, like, you guys, I DM'd you about this.

01:24:18.000 Because I had seen him at VidCon before, and we were talking, and I was shaking his hand.

01:24:21.000 I told him that I had bought ads on his channel before, and YouTube was, like, stifling him.

01:24:25.000 And so I was like, hey, you guys did this video about the Alternative Influencer Network or something that included me.

01:24:29.000 I don't know what your beef is with Dave Rubin or anything.

01:24:31.000 I just don't want to be involved.

01:24:33.000 And he was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

01:24:35.000 And I was like, dude, I'm trying to ask you to not include me in it.

01:24:38.000 And then all of a sudden, he snapped, started screaming at me, what happened to you, man?

01:24:43.000 You have changed!

01:24:44.000 While he's yelling at me, everyone starts filming, and I'm like, why are you yelling at me?

01:24:49.000 I didn't say anything mean to you ever at all.

01:24:51.000 In fact, I was being respectful to him on YouTube as well.

01:24:54.000 DudeSnap claimed I changed.

01:24:56.000 So I got a message.

01:24:57.000 If Dave Rubin, Jimmy Dore, Tim Pool, Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracy, Aaron Matei are all changing around you, maybe it's you who need to check your boots.

01:25:05.000 Maybe you're surrounded by sycophants. 1.00

01:25:07.000 Who are just blowing smoke up your ass and telling you what you want to hear. 1.00

01:25:11.000 And the people who leave your presence all of a sudden are like, yo, you're nuts. 1.00

01:25:15.000 Jimmy Dore leaves the Young Turks and all of a sudden he's like, here's what's happening. 0.89

01:25:18.000 And Cenk's like, why did he change?

01:25:20.000 And Dave Rubin leaves the Young Turks.

01:25:22.000 Why did Dave change?

01:25:23.000 I was never anything to do with Young Turks, but all of a sudden...

01:25:26.000 Jenka's shocked!

01:25:27.000 Tim Pool changed!

01:25:28.000 Glenn Greenwald, what happened to you?

01:25:30.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:25:31.000 Nothing happened to us.

01:25:32.000 Something happened to you!

01:25:33.000 Look at your old videos!

01:25:35.000 We- we- no, you're just saying what is safe for the establishment.

01:25:38.000 And I think that's true of Ethan Klein as well.

01:25:40.000 Dude used to be edgy.

01:25:41.000 Now he's safe.

01:25:42.000 They're too scared to risk anything to stand up for anything.

01:25:46.000 You don't have to.

01:25:47.000 That's fine by me.

01:25:48.000 You want to protect your network and you want to be- you want to be some kind of progressive, you know, uh, channel?

01:25:53.000 And just say whatever the tribe wants you to say?

01:25:56.000 Fine.

01:25:57.000 That's fine.

01:25:58.000 But stop acting shocked when everyone else who leaves your presence starts saying things that shock you.

01:26:04.000 Because it may just be that you are surrounded by yes-men and still are. 0.86

01:26:08.000 You know what's a much easier brand image to maintain?

01:26:12.000 One of seeking knowledge or truth.

01:26:15.000 Oh, that's the brand.

01:26:17.000 Oh, which means I'm going to change and evolve.

01:26:19.000 That's all part of the plan.

01:26:22.000 We're on a journey.

01:26:23.000 We're trying to discover the truth.

01:26:24.000 We're trying to learn what's really happening.

01:26:26.000 We're trying to create a mental model of the world that makes it so we're not insane.

01:26:31.000 That's much easier than to say, I'm an ideologue on this idea and I can't change.

01:26:37.000 They boxed themselves.

01:26:37.000 I'm not, I'm not trying to make them seem any better than they are, but they're boxed in.

01:26:43.000 And anybody on the right, it's the same way.

01:26:44.000 Totally boxed in.

01:26:46.000 If you haven't set yourself up in a way that you're just going to evolve, which is what humans do, which is a totally natural thing to do.

01:26:52.000 Yes.

01:26:53.000 I have more information on that matter.

01:26:54.000 So my opinion has changed.

01:26:57.000 My opinion changed quite a bit you know talking to Michael Malice and people like Libertarians are tweeting at him like you you got Tim good job because I was like abolish the police Bro, I'm like watching cops confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens to uphold yeah, I'm watching these ridiculous laws.

01:27:11.000 I'm watching the Capitol Police So, dude, you're the one that they were referencing when they said that the right was claiming that they needed to defund the police.

01:27:19.000 Remember that?

01:27:20.000 When the press secretary gets up there and she's like, it's been the Republicans and the conservatives trying to defund the police this entire time.

01:27:27.000 I'm that influential, Jack.

01:27:28.000 They're talking about you, man.

01:27:30.000 A million views an episode.

01:27:31.000 I was there.

01:27:32.000 They're just trying to lie.

01:27:33.000 January 6th, Michael Malice.

01:27:34.000 Here's my point.

01:27:35.000 Capitol Police, DC Capitol Police are setting up field offices in California and Florida.

01:27:42.000 They're expanding nationwide.

01:27:44.000 The Capitol Police issued a press release saying they're going to be expanding into an intelligence-based protective agency.

01:27:50.000 Yeah, because the war on terror is coming home.

01:27:52.000 So my stance has been not the same as the left, that they're evil oppressors and shut them down.

01:27:56.000 It's that now the good cops are leaving. 0.97

01:27:58.000 And the cops who are staying are, are, a lot of them are dirty. 0.69

01:28:01.000 No, the good cops, ya se fueron. 0.95

01:28:03.000 Spanish, they already left. 1.00

01:28:05.000 They're gone.

01:28:05.000 Right.

01:28:06.000 So let's not sit back and be like, defend the institution.

01:28:08.000 I'm like, nah, because now you're going to get Capitol Police hunting down quote unquote patriots.

01:28:14.000 Here's, here's my prediction.

01:28:15.000 I could be wrong about this, but I'll give you a prediction.

01:28:17.000 Oh, thank God I didn't go that day.

01:28:19.000 Capital police.

01:28:20.000 Yeah.

01:28:20.000 Capital police are investigating, and the feds are tracking down the people who went in the building.

01:28:25.000 The capital police are setting up field offices.

01:28:27.000 Do you think this will stop?

01:28:29.000 Or do you think that once they get the 600 people, they're going to say, now we're going to go after those who provided material to support to these people?

01:28:35.000 No, dude, we have a very extreme, hardcore, concrete, bulletproof example of the way the government, once they set up these kind of things, they shut them down in due time, right?

01:28:45.000 They did this thing in Cuba, it's Guantanamo Bay.

01:28:48.000 They set it up right after 9-11, they put prisoners in there, they closed it down as soon as they were done, and then that was it.

01:28:54.000 Wait, what, what?

01:28:55.000 Oh no, it's still open.

01:28:56.000 Wait, I'm sorry.

01:28:57.000 Wait, what was that?

01:28:57.000 Wait, they didn't close down Guantanamo Bay?

01:28:58.000 Wait, it's, Guantanamo Bay is still open?

01:29:00.000 Oh, wait, given it's taken a mile?

01:29:02.000 I remember, honestly, I remember when I was in New York when they announced that they got Osama. 0.59

01:29:08.000 And Obama came out and he was like, the war on terror is over.

01:29:11.000 And I was like, wow, they just ended it!

01:29:15.000 Oh wait, that didn't happen either.

01:29:16.000 No.

01:29:17.000 Wait, did he really say that?

01:29:20.000 No.

01:29:20.000 I was like, they didn't assassinate him the next day.

01:29:23.000 So here's what I'm saying.

01:29:25.000 The Capitol Police, they're going to go after the rioters.

01:29:28.000 Then they're going to say the people provided material support.

01:29:31.000 Then they're going to say we need to expand more offices to stop, to be preemptive, to prevent these things from happening ever again.

01:29:38.000 The war on terror comes home, right?

01:29:39.000 And then when they actually talk to a guy like Omar Mateen and they know that he wants to go around killing people, they're just going to let him go, because that's actually not what they're really after.

01:29:47.000 What'd that guy do?

01:29:48.000 Oh, he shot up the the Orlando nightclub, which wasn't actually a gay motivated thing.

01:29:52.000 He was just like nearest nightclub. 0.98

01:29:55.000 And it turned out to be that one full of gay people. 0.98

01:29:58.000 And so it became like a gay massacre when it really wasn't. 0.99

01:30:00.000 Yeah, never let a tragedy.

01:30:01.000 He was he was a he was a like a a person of interest or whatever.

01:30:06.000 A technical term.

01:30:07.000 Probably not use that right.

01:30:08.000 To the FBI.

01:30:09.000 They knew him in advance. 0.94

01:30:11.000 He scoped out that nightclub, murdered the people in there, and then they retrofitted it to be like a gay tech. 1.00

01:30:16.000 I can't remember who it was, but someone said that they said the United States needed some kind of 9-11-like attack, in their opinions as a Republican, to remind people why we have the security state.

01:30:29.000 Wait, they said this after 9-11?

01:30:30.000 Yeah.

01:30:32.000 They were like, it's almost like we just need it to happen so that people remember exactly what, you know, we're fighting for whatever, something like that.

01:30:38.000 I mean, look, it's funny, like we've been on top of this for a long time.

01:30:42.000 We've been, you know, I and have you talked to Cash?

01:30:44.000 I talked to Cash Patel also was on the National Security Council, head of counterterrorism.

01:30:50.000 I asked him point blank.

01:30:51.000 Is there any evidence? 0.97

01:30:54.000 That white nationalism, terror is the biggest threat facing America. 0.97

01:30:58.000 Zero, none. 0.62

01:30:59.000 This was the guy, number one National Security Council in charge of counterterrorism.

01:31:03.000 The secretary, I'm sorry, the chief of staff for the Secretary of Defense.

01:31:07.000 This guy was in there.

01:31:09.000 He has all the intel.

01:31:11.000 And also he'd be the first person to complain about this FISA crap with Tucker because he used FISA to actually go after terrorists.

01:31:17.000 So he knows.

01:31:19.000 This is why... Nothing.

01:31:20.000 We've been talking about this for years, basically.

01:31:24.000 And now it's actually happening, and we still have to talk about it because not everybody knows.

01:31:29.000 I feel like we're banging on a broken drum.

01:31:32.000 No, that doesn't work, my mixed metaphor.

01:31:34.000 This is why I feel like there are two great possibilities of either an authoritarian takeover or a civil war.

01:31:42.000 Because you look at what they're saying about white supremacy in the far right, which is just fundamentally absurd and not true.

01:31:47.000 What they're saying about insurrection, it's the six-month anniversary and the guy's like holding up his suit.

01:31:51.000 He's like, this is the suit I wore on that day.

01:31:53.000 Vice runs an article where they're like, journalists choking up in tears.

01:31:58.000 I don't even want to go back in the building. 0.99

01:32:00.000 Six months later, it is the most insane garbage. 0.99

01:32:02.000 Why? 0.99

01:32:04.000 They don't want Trump to come back.

01:32:06.000 They need to say- What are they saying now?

01:32:08.000 A quote from Trump about Hitler?

01:32:10.000 I'm not even gonna repeat it.

01:32:12.000 It's like the most absurd fake news. 0.83

01:32:14.000 They're desperately trying to maintain the narrative of white supremacy.

01:32:17.000 We're in a lull year.

01:32:18.000 Just you wait next year.

01:32:19.000 2023.

01:32:19.000 It is going to be...

01:32:19.000 2024.

01:32:22.000 Insane.

01:32:23.000 I wouldn't be surprised if these Capitol Police officers pop up all over the country, they arrest people for these communications, they go on forums like, you know, Patriots.win, which used to be The Donald, and they'll say like, who wants to go commit this act? 0.91

01:32:35.000 And then people will say something and then they'll arrest them, then they'll make some small stupid tweet into a massive indictment, and the news will be like, extremists were talking about doing X, Y, and Z. The FBI will say, who wants to do X, Y, and Z?

01:32:48.000 And some guy will be like, sounds cool.

01:32:50.000 They'll arrest the guy and say he was advocating for this, that, and this.

01:32:54.000 He was planning it.

01:32:55.000 We caught their communications.

01:32:56.000 We can't release those to the public though.

01:32:58.000 Then they're gonna say Trump is inspiring this.

01:33:00.000 It's gonna get worse.

01:33:01.000 If you vote for him, this is what you're gonna get. 0.94

01:33:07.000 Black pills falling all over my head.

01:33:10.000 I didn't say we were going to lose. 0.81

01:33:11.000 I'm drowning in black pills.

01:33:12.000 It's going to be a struggle.

01:33:14.000 I didn't say we were going to lose.

01:33:16.000 I said, I'm actually confident watching the media fail. 0.92

01:33:19.000 Now they'll try the stuff, but look how pathetic it is when Oliver Darcy stands there with no blinking. 0.89

01:33:24.000 Yeah, but nobody's watching them. 0.69

01:33:26.000 The shift is happening.

01:33:27.000 Their power is dwindling.

01:33:29.000 That's true.

01:33:30.000 They're gonna try it.

01:33:31.000 The federal government's gonna try it.

01:33:32.000 But you know what?

01:33:33.000 They don't need the media anymore.

01:33:34.000 You know why?

01:33:35.000 Because they got your four-year-old.

01:33:37.000 That's right.

01:33:38.000 Yeah, you know who said that?

01:33:40.000 Who said what?

01:33:41.000 Who said, I got your children.

01:33:42.000 Oh, no.

01:33:43.000 It's a quote from Hitler. 0.74

01:33:43.000 Yeah. 0.74

01:33:43.000 Hitler. 0.74

01:33:45.000 Well, they have our children.

01:33:47.000 I was thinking, you played Civilization.

01:33:49.000 I know you've played Civ before.

01:33:51.000 You can go into a golden age.

01:33:52.000 We're in a golden age right now.

01:33:53.000 That happens when a bunch of great people get together.

01:33:55.000 You can opt to use them to start a golden age.

01:33:59.000 Last 20, 30, 40 years.

01:34:00.000 We are literally in a golden age.

01:34:01.000 We're in a golden age.

01:34:02.000 The internet, internet video has allowed us to unite all these great minds, so we've formed a golden age.

01:34:06.000 Now, we're still facing trauma and struggle, but we're in a golden age while we're doing it, so we have these bonuses.

01:34:12.000 A golden age is basically a period of great economic prosperity and no war.

01:34:16.000 We've been in that for some time.

01:34:17.000 You can be in a war and still be in a golden age.

01:34:20.000 Right, right.

01:34:20.000 The war in Afghanistan is not a real... It's not like... No one's storming the U.S.

01:34:25.000 borders.

01:34:25.000 We don't have Germany bombing America.

01:34:28.000 We are in a series of conflicts.

01:34:30.000 But the general idea is... Perhaps you can say right now we're not in a golden age because of the conflicts we've seen with China and Russia and international disputes and everything like that.

01:34:39.000 But this country only... For recently... I mean, we're now entering the fourth turning.

01:34:43.000 For a long time, we were just...

01:34:45.000 Sure, the U.S.

01:34:46.000 goes out and blows stuff up.

01:34:47.000 Yo, there was ten years.

01:34:50.000 1991 to 2001.

01:34:51.000 That was it.

01:34:53.000 That was a golden time period.

01:34:55.000 We didn't have any wars?

01:34:55.000 Right?

01:34:55.000 No, no, no.

01:34:56.000 Gold War? 0.88

01:34:57.000 I understand what you're saying, but just in practical terms?

01:35:00.000 You could be in a total war and still have a golden age.

01:35:03.000 This is a semantic misunderstanding.

01:35:05.000 When I say no wars, I'm talking about the U.S.

01:35:07.000 actually fighting for its survival.

01:35:09.000 But you could do that during a golden age.

01:35:10.000 Some countries thrive during war in a golden age, like ancient Persia was really in the game.

01:35:15.000 They're extremely, they can move farther.

01:35:17.000 No, I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the actual historical understanding of a golden age.

01:35:19.000 The metaphor is you can enter a golden age during war, during a wartime period, and if you do, you're gonna be much better equipped to win the war.

01:35:26.000 Alright, so what you're basically saying is that we're all the individual pieces of Voltron?

01:35:30.000 Yes, and we have formed to create Voltron.

01:35:33.000 And we need to come together as Voltron.

01:35:34.000 It already happened.

01:35:35.000 We're in the golden age.

01:35:36.000 Voltron is real now.

01:35:37.000 We have the power of Voltron.

01:35:39.000 Now there's aliens that are coming, and we need to fight these giant alien creatures.

01:35:43.000 I just need you to take that sword off the wall, hold it in the air, and yell, I have the power.

01:35:46.000 I do have the power.

01:35:47.000 You are He-Man. 0.95

01:35:48.000 I am He-Man.

01:35:48.000 I have the power.

01:35:50.000 And you're a Skeletor, and I will fell you. 0.98

01:35:52.000 What did it say? 0.91

01:35:52.000 By the power of greyskull? 0.91

01:35:53.000 It's by the power of greyskull. 1.00

01:35:55.000 Damn. 0.99

01:35:56.000 You're going back into ancient history based on your birth year. 1.00

01:36:00.000 I grew up with that, dude.

01:36:01.000 That was me, Saturday mornings, man.

01:36:03.000 I'll be Cringer.

01:36:04.000 I'll be your Cringer, baby.

01:36:05.000 That was the cat that turned into Battle Cat.

01:36:07.000 Wait, Cringer was the name?

01:36:09.000 Cringer, dude.

01:36:10.000 Dude, I thought you were just saying, like, I'm the cringy guy.

01:36:13.000 It's tasteful.

01:36:15.000 Oh my god, you're right.

01:36:15.000 It's timely.

01:36:16.000 I'm more Orko than anything.

01:36:18.000 Let's go to Super Chats.

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01:36:32.000 Does my head always look that big on the screen?

01:36:34.000 Yeah, I'm just noticing it in the monitor.

01:36:36.000 We actually have an app where we just like, you know, we shrank it actually.

01:36:41.000 It's even bigger than it appears.

01:36:42.000 Tell me if this is what I think it is to you guys.

01:36:44.000 This is from China, Xinhua News.

01:36:46.000 It looks like a picture of Tim Pool propaganda.

01:36:48.000 No, it doesn't.

01:36:49.000 I don't have a shirt like that.

01:36:50.000 I don't have a hat like that.

01:36:51.000 That's from several days before this.

01:36:53.000 I want to pull this I don't have a shirt like that.

01:36:55.000 Yeah, I don't have a hat like the guy yesterday had a Punisher shirt on.

01:36:58.000 That's not that's from several days before this.

01:37:01.000 The yellow beanie.

01:37:01.000 That's from a long time.

01:37:02.000 I don't have a yellow beanie.

01:37:03.000 No, you don't have a yellow beanie, but it's just different enough.

01:37:07.000 You can't look at a guy with a beanie and be like, it's simple.

01:37:09.000 So it's basically a picture of two bureaucrats saying to freedom and then there's this crazy guy with a beanie on saying of shooting and he's got an AR and a pistol and he's like dancing around all crazy looking in a t-shirt like Tim wear.

01:37:20.000 I mean, it's just very... He doesn't wear a t-shirt like I'm wearing, dude.

01:37:23.000 I know, it's slightly different than Tim.

01:37:24.000 You're like, a guy wearing a t-shirt and a beanie is Tim.

01:37:26.000 I'm like, I'm not wearing a t-shirt.

01:37:27.000 He's like, got the beard of you too, like the short dark beard.

01:37:29.000 Dude, my millennial wife to be. 1.00

01:37:31.000 Ian keeps trying to claim that I'm the basis for all these memes.

01:37:34.000 I think China's memeing you.

01:37:35.000 No, they're not.

01:37:36.000 I'm not that influential.

01:37:37.000 Ian's like, you wanna see this meme?

01:37:38.000 But it's your archetype.

01:37:39.000 No it isn't.

01:37:40.000 It's you.

01:37:40.000 You see that meme?

01:37:41.000 I'm like, no it isn't dude, these memes aren't me.

01:37:43.000 It's the archetype of the hipster beanied skater.

01:37:47.000 No, it isn't.

01:37:47.000 And they love it.

01:37:48.000 It's just a crazy-looking guy who happens to be wearing a beanie, yo.

01:37:51.000 It's all of the above.

01:37:52.000 Okay, so I'll tell you this.

01:37:53.000 Now, at any point, for any reason, if someone's wearing a beanie, Tim Pool.

01:37:56.000 He's got your beard.

01:37:58.000 Every time I wore a beanie all winter, it was because I was Tim Pool.

01:37:58.000 100%.

01:38:01.000 Yeah, I remember one time, me and Jack were walking down the street, and Jack was wearing a beanie, and I wasn't, and someone was like, yo, you're Tim Pool to Jack.

01:38:08.000 My millennial wife just sent me a text. 0.74

01:38:09.000 And then I was like actually I'm like oh, I do is wearing a beanie so I just assumed

01:38:13.000 My my millennial wife just sent me a text. She goes WTF is a Voltron

01:38:17.000 All right, let's read these super chats Hayden says, closing on my 40 acres of raw forest in the mountains.

01:38:27.000 Want to build a small, close-knit community.

01:38:29.000 Do you guys have any tips for getting started?

01:38:31.000 All trees and large rocks, but has natural springs and a power line on the corner of the property.

01:38:36.000 Near swimming holes, too.

01:38:37.000 I like geodesic domes.

01:38:39.000 I hear they're cheap and easy and structurally sound to build.

01:38:42.000 Timber framing, dude, that's the way.

01:38:44.000 I don't know exactly what you should do.

01:38:46.000 I do know that I've, uh... I thought it'd be cool if you got like-minded people to just start building up towns.

01:38:51.000 So, like, there's a few towns that have been dying because the railroads are shutting down.

01:38:55.000 And internet video is a way to revitalize these towns by bringing money back into the community.

01:38:59.000 And then you could basically, like, I thought about this.

01:39:03.000 Go to a small town that's dying.

01:39:04.000 Then you can hire the carpenters, you can hire the janitors, you can hire the plumbers, you can hire the workers, the shops.

01:39:09.000 All of a sudden now there's money coming in from advertising into this town which brings the whole economy back.

01:39:14.000 Yeah.

01:39:14.000 Then you encourage entrepreneurs to develop technology, software, bring those towns back to life.

01:39:20.000 My tip for you is to join the liminal order, buddy.

01:39:22.000 We've got a whole homesteading crew.

01:39:23.000 We even have a whole collection of people in Eastern Tennessee that have been coming together.

01:39:27.000 And we had a guy, we had a guy join the LO, find land in Tennessee, find a cattle rancher to get his cattle, find the guys in the LO that come and did a fence raising and a penning in one day on his entire property, just like the Amish would come raise your barn and build it all in one day. 0.93

01:39:44.000 It's amazing.

01:39:45.000 You need community.

01:39:47.000 Even as isolated as you are, you still need community.

01:39:49.000 Talk to Joe Norman about localism.

01:39:51.000 He'll get you sorted.

01:39:53.000 All right, Hayden says, I'm also going to be starting a YouTube channel, too, and documenting the process of buying land in the building and setup that's going to take place, as well as drinking beer at the swimming holes at the end of the day.

01:40:02.000 It's going to be a blast.

01:40:03.000 Sounds cool, dude.

01:40:04.000 That last part will be the most successful bit, so stick with that. 0.98

01:40:06.000 Anytime trip sucks says Jack. I'm a private school science teacher a while back 0.81

01:40:11.000 You advised me to be a secret agent, but there are no boards course materials up to the department

01:40:15.000 The history and English teachers use CRT. What do I do?

01:40:18.000 You have to keep going man You have to keep going and you can't give up.

01:40:24.000 Because you have to find like-minded people and you have to keep spreading the message.

01:40:27.000 And you can't back down.

01:40:28.000 So you gotta use your own curriculum.

01:40:30.000 You gotta use your own ideas.

01:40:31.000 That's what they did at the beginning.

01:40:32.000 That's what you're gonna have to do now.

01:40:34.000 Keep teaching the science and stay strong.

01:40:36.000 And if you need a network of people, hook up with people to support you behind the scenes.

01:40:41.000 You cannot do it alone.

01:40:42.000 Another reason why the liminal order exists.

01:40:44.000 Are you in a one-party consent state?

01:40:47.000 If you're not, perhaps you should definitely check, but maybe you could actually just film with your phone if they're doing CRT.

01:40:53.000 I'm not going to tell people to do that because there's laws on filming people.

01:40:59.000 Look, I just had this argument with somebody on Twitter today.

01:41:02.000 I was executive director of charter school districts.

01:41:04.000 I've run schools.

01:41:05.000 I've turned around schools.

01:41:06.000 I've built new schools.

01:41:08.000 We designed our classrooms and told our teachers and our students to expect to be observed at any time.

01:41:16.000 We put big window panes, huge picture windows outside the classroom so that anybody could observe.

01:41:23.000 They were told to expect anybody walking in at any time to observe them at any time.

01:41:27.000 Parents, administrator, local official, prospective parent, anybody.

01:41:33.000 Anyone who pushes back and says that education cannot be filmed or broadcast or recorded or observed at any time is trying to manipulate your children.

01:41:44.000 Do not stand up for that.

01:41:45.000 Do not allow it.

01:41:46.000 Do not permit it.

01:41:47.000 It's a public good with public kids with children!

01:41:50.000 All right.

01:41:51.000 Pacific Nationalist says, Jack Murphy, since the first time you were on Timcast, I've improved myself and come up with this.

01:41:56.000 Run five miles and work out every day.

01:41:58.000 Build a skill and find a hobby.

01:42:00.000 Be a better man.

01:42:01.000 Not just a man, but a better man.

01:42:02.000 Be a warrior.

01:42:03.000 Amen to that.

01:42:04.000 Thank you so much for those kind words.

01:42:06.000 I appreciate it.

01:42:06.000 It's that kind of stuff that keeps me going.

01:42:08.000 Please check my Twitter feed for more of that.

01:42:10.000 I do a lot of fat shaming online.

01:42:12.000 A ton.

01:42:13.000 But I'll tell you what I do more of is praising people on the right track.

01:42:18.000 So get on the right track.

01:42:19.000 Congratulations to you.

01:42:20.000 Five miles a day, man.

01:42:21.000 That's baller.

01:42:22.000 Good for you, dude.

01:42:23.000 Ryu Woodware says the guest yesterday said, quote, Do you really want to have kids in this environment?

01:42:28.000 That is the exact premise of the movie Idiocracy.

01:42:30.000 That's right.

01:42:31.000 Do you want to have kids in this environment?

01:42:32.000 A hundred percent.

01:42:33.000 In fact, you should have as many as you possibly can.

01:42:36.000 I heard about your guests on last night.

01:42:39.000 I don't know exactly all the things that they talked about, but the general gist I got was that they were not big fans on marriage.

01:42:45.000 No, I disagree, actually.

01:42:47.000 Yeah, one guy said in the bonus segment that he would give up all of this dating stuff and being a high value male if it would bring back the traditional family.

01:42:55.000 The other guy said, nah, nah, he likes where he's at.

01:42:57.000 He earned it.

01:42:58.000 He leveled up.

01:42:58.000 Yeah, he leveled up.

01:42:59.000 But when you're 29 and 30, leveling up is one thing.

01:43:02.000 When you're 40, leveling up is another.

01:43:03.000 When you're 50, leveling up is yet another thing.

01:43:06.000 They both agreed that the destruction of the family is killing society.

01:43:10.000 100%.

01:43:10.000 But you don't have to be a victim as a man.

01:43:13.000 If you want a family, there are women out there that want a family too. 1.00

01:43:17.000 And the number one way to protect yourself against divorce, rape, and losing your assets, and losing your kids, and all that thing, is to be the best man that you can possibly be. 0.99

01:43:26.000 And until you are the best man that you can possibly be, all this other crap is just whistling bull crap. 0.99

01:43:31.000 It's just excuses. 0.97

01:43:33.000 Become the best man that you can be and then let me know what happens to you in your life.

01:43:37.000 All right, Crimson7 says, Tim, you should do a documentary series on the victims of these riots slash chas to combat the one on Jan 6. 0.84

01:43:44.000 And welcome back, Jack.

01:43:45.000 And have you heard anything about the Biden earlobe stuff?

01:43:48.000 Well, first let me say that's a great, great idea.

01:43:51.000 Actually, I think we'll start seeing if we can get that going.

01:43:54.000 It would be really fantastic to produce like 13 videos.

01:43:56.000 Just find somebody whose business was destroyed in one of the riots and profile them for 10-15 minutes.

01:44:01.000 Like, what's your life like?

01:44:02.000 Tell us your story.

01:44:02.000 What happened?

01:44:04.000 So we do a lot of traveling for my son's baseball tournaments and my daughter's regattas and such.

01:44:09.000 And so we go to these small towns and the first thing Rochelle Red Hen does, she looks up, she investigates what restaurant can we go to?

01:44:16.000 What bars can we go to?

01:44:18.000 What distillery can we go to?

01:44:20.000 It is the saddest thing that we're seeing now.

01:44:22.000 We're going to all these towns all across the Mid-Atlantic and the South, from New York all the way down to Georgia.

01:44:28.000 And every time that we've been like going to a new city and we're looking up the top 10 restaurants, we go to five of the top 10, all closed.

01:44:36.000 All closed from COVID.

01:44:38.000 All just shut down.

01:44:39.000 Couldn't survive.

01:44:40.000 Couldn't make it.

01:44:42.000 Nothing.

01:44:43.000 It's tough, man.

01:44:44.000 What's this earlobe stuff?

01:44:46.000 I have no idea what the earlobe stuff is.

01:44:47.000 All right, well then.

01:44:48.000 Let's make up a story, though.

01:44:50.000 Joe Biden was boxing Evander Holifield and bit his ear.

01:44:54.000 All right.

01:44:55.000 Take out the piercings.

01:44:57.000 Quiet guitarist fan says, Hey Jack, looking for more media to consume that talks about masculinity and being masculine.

01:45:01.000 Do you have any recommendations?

01:45:05.000 Yes, a hundred percent.

01:45:06.000 You should listen to all my content, Jack Murphy Live on YouTube.

01:45:09.000 Spencer Clavin does a great job of talking about masculinity from his particular perspective.

01:45:17.000 I'm releasing in conjunction with Michael Millerman, the renowned philosopher, a seven-part lecture series on masculinity through philosophy from the ancients all the way through to current times.

01:45:28.000 You should check that out.

01:45:29.000 That'll be coming out soon.

01:45:30.000 Follow my feed.

01:45:31.000 I recommend and retweet people on masculinity all day long.

01:45:35.000 Eric A. says, liking the new articles from TimCast, but on your Kyle Rittenhouse story, the people are referred to as protesters.

01:45:41.000 They did $50 million in damage.

01:45:43.000 Protesters don't do $50 million in damage.

01:45:45.000 Rioters do. 0.91

01:45:45.000 You are correct, good sir. 0.91

01:45:47.000 That's why we have the corrections at TimCast.com, so you can send those in.

01:45:50.000 But I agree.

01:45:51.000 Whenever I read stories and it's like protesters, I go, nope, rioters.

01:45:55.000 So the challenge is, of course, Trying to stay on top of every single rider and every single framing is not going to be super easy, but I will absolutely convey that with our relatively small team.

01:46:05.000 Come on, guys.

01:46:06.000 If they rioted and did damage, they're rioters.

01:46:08.000 And, you know, determining that threshold for framing is not always super easy.

01:46:12.000 If you have a hundred people holding hands and singing and one guy throws a brick, is it a riot?

01:46:16.000 Probably not fair to say it's a riot.

01:46:18.000 If ten people throw bricks as a riot, I think at that point it's probably fair to say it's a riot.

01:46:21.000 And a riot could be a type of protest, so that can get confusing too.

01:46:25.000 Not all riots are protests, but some can be.

01:46:28.000 I'm saying they level up, right?

01:46:30.000 So if you have a hundred people holding hands and singing songs, you're protesting, they're protesting.

01:46:34.000 If ten of them start throwing bricks and bottles and explosives, I would not call it a protest anymore, I would call it a riot.

01:46:39.000 Because those people who are there have every option to either leave or stop those people from doing it, but they don't.

01:46:43.000 But what if they're, like, protesting a crackdown, authoritarian military crackdown, and they're, like, trying to blow up, you know, authoritarian machines?

01:46:50.000 It's a riot.

01:46:51.000 But they're also protesting the authoritarians.

01:46:53.000 It's a riot.

01:46:53.000 So it's both.

01:46:54.000 Sure, but the framing is a riot.

01:46:58.000 Yeah, don't leave out that it's a riot.

01:46:59.000 The problem is that at any one moment in Washington, D.C.

01:47:02.000 during the summer last year, there were peaceful protesters, there were bystanders, there were observers, and there were rioters, and they were all in the same place.

01:47:10.000 Yeah, riots are not a peaceful protest, that's for sure.

01:47:12.000 They're rioting.

01:47:13.000 That's why I'm saying, like, figuring out the framing isn't easy, but if you have a hundred people who are all wearing shirts saying, Trump bad, and they're holding hands and singing, they're protesting.

01:47:22.000 If they lay down, they're protesting.

01:47:24.000 If they block the street, they're protesting.

01:47:25.000 If ten of them start throwing explosives, all of them are in a riot.

01:47:29.000 It is a riot now.

01:47:31.000 I'm saying if one guy did it, I wouldn't call it a riot. 0.55

01:47:32.000 I'd say some crazy guy threw something.

01:47:35.000 The protesters in Portland had the option to back away, stop these people.

01:47:40.000 You know, back away or stop these people.

01:47:41.000 Instead, they linked arms and protected them.

01:47:43.000 They linked arms in front of them and said, no, we're mine!

01:47:45.000 Diversity of tactics.

01:47:46.000 like, okay, you are rioters. 0.54

01:47:47.000 Yeah, they joined the riot at that point.

01:47:49.000 Absolutely.

01:47:50.000 But even if they weren't linking arms and blocking the cops, standing there singing

01:47:53.000 songs in support of a diversity of tactics that includes smashing windows and throwing

01:47:58.000 explosives, you are all in a riot.

01:48:01.000 That's it.

01:48:02.000 Diversity of tactics.

01:48:03.000 I looked up the Biden earlobe thing.

01:48:04.000 What is it?

01:48:05.000 Apparently, conspiracy theorists say that changing earlobes prove Biden clone.

01:48:09.000 We'll have to look into that.

01:48:12.000 No, maybe in the bonus segment.

01:48:13.000 I don't know about that stuff.

01:48:14.000 A little too much for me.

01:48:15.000 That's exciting.

01:48:19.000 Red Rumex says, I sued my employer for wrongdoing.

01:48:22.000 I was not sure I would win, but I knew I was right and would not let them step all over me.

01:48:25.000 They tried to bully, intimidate, make me resign.

01:48:27.000 I defied them and won.

01:48:29.000 That is awesome.

01:48:30.000 Congratulations.

01:48:30.000 Yes.

01:48:31.000 Love that.

01:48:32.000 Wow.

01:48:36.000 Matt Bowler says audio messages are not better than texting.

01:48:39.000 They are easily translated to text and interpreted by a machine, then flagged for review.

01:48:44.000 Okay, but does the recipient have to do that?

01:48:47.000 Right.

01:48:48.000 I mean, come on.

01:48:48.000 I'm saying there's less chance the recipient's gonna misinterpret.

01:48:51.000 Yeah, or just giving your recipient like you got to put three more layers of difficulty into there.

01:48:56.000 It's not a secure, but it's like more than just a text message.

01:48:59.000 It's Mr. Frickin hair splitter over there.

01:49:02.000 Good grief.

01:49:03.000 Also, if somebody picks up my phone and looks at it, they're also not going to see what I had written there either.

01:49:08.000 So, you know.

01:49:10.000 Red Rumick says get Styx on the show.

01:49:12.000 Styx is always welcome on the show.

01:49:13.000 Styxenheimer965 or whatever.

01:49:17.000 I'm like, those are easy numbers to remember, Jack.

01:49:17.000 Styxhexenheimer666.

01:49:22.000 I didn't want you to get banned for talking about devil stuff.

01:49:26.000 It's like the most devil-y devil name, too.

01:49:28.000 Styx.

01:49:29.000 Is he the one who says every day, today's gonna be crazy?

01:49:32.000 No, that's Comfortably Smoked.

01:49:34.000 That's about all.

01:49:34.000 Oh, okay.

01:49:35.000 Today's gonna be an insane day!

01:49:37.000 He said.

01:49:38.000 James Nelson says Henry Ford created the five-day workweek and livable wage. You've bought into the lie labor movement

01:49:44.000 in u.s. Was started by Bolsheviks Okay. 0.95

01:49:46.000 Say what now?

01:49:48.000 That's a hard statement.

01:49:51.000 There was a lot of conflict in that sentence, I think.

01:49:53.000 Henry Ford.

01:49:54.000 Bolsheviks gave time off.

01:49:57.000 These are all horrible things.

01:49:57.000 That sounds good to me.

01:49:58.000 I like time off. 1.00

01:49:59.000 Damn communists getting us a weekend. 1.00

01:50:01.000 God gave you a weekend, dawg! 1.00

01:50:03.000 Not everything about the theory of communism is necessarily bad.

01:50:06.000 It's just not practical, right?

01:50:07.000 It's too spicy for us.

01:50:08.000 All right.

01:50:09.000 Balian says, Tim, if you ever got the chance to interview Trump, would you?

01:50:13.000 Who would your co-host be and why would it be Jack Murphy?

01:50:19.000 Yes to interviewing Trump.

01:50:20.000 But you remember, you see what Dave Rubin had to do?

01:50:22.000 Like long bleeps?

01:50:23.000 We wouldn't be able to do it live.

01:50:25.000 We'd have to do it live.

01:50:26.000 Trump would be like, listen, listen, the thing that happened with the... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:50:31.000 A special TimCast.com.

01:50:32.000 The whole thing with Rubin was a joke, right?

01:50:33.000 What, bleeping Trump?

01:50:34.000 Yeah.

01:50:35.000 No, you had to go on his locals to actually see what Trump said.

01:50:38.000 Oh, no kidding?

01:50:39.000 YouTube would have deleted... He actually talked to Trump?

01:50:41.000 I thought he did.

01:50:42.000 Yeah.

01:50:42.000 Oh, you know what?

01:50:43.000 I just saw that and assumed it was fake.

01:50:46.000 Oh, oh, interesting.

01:50:47.000 It was on the phone, right?

01:50:48.000 Oh, really?

01:50:48.000 Yeah.

01:50:49.000 Oh, I thought it was just a whole joke, a whole just bit that he just put put Trump up and like ask the question and just use soundbites or whatever.

01:50:57.000 Sorry, Dave.

01:50:58.000 Hey, nice scoop, bro.

01:50:59.000 Oh, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he interviewed Trump and he had to bleep out a ton of songs.

01:51:03.000 I have no idea.

01:51:03.000 I didn't even... Go on, locals.

01:51:06.000 Sorry, Dave.

01:51:06.000 Yeah, go on, locals.

01:51:08.000 That's why when Bannon was here, you know, there was a really funny point where he started talking about a certain thing.

01:51:13.000 And then I was like, let's just hold on.

01:51:14.000 He was like, don't worry, I'm not gonna say the magic words.

01:51:16.000 And I'm like, I don't know if that matters to YouTube.

01:51:18.000 They're just like, you're getting a little close to the sun, buddy.

01:51:20.000 They're gonna hit that ban button.

01:51:21.000 But the bonus segment with Bannon.

01:51:23.000 Oh, wait, Icarus?

01:51:24.000 Something with an I word?

01:51:25.000 Flying too close to the sun?

01:51:26.000 With his wax wings?

01:51:27.000 When the bonus segment with Steve Bannon, the first thing I asked is what YouTube will ban everyone for.

01:51:34.000 And we just went right into it.

01:51:35.000 We're gonna read more Super Chats. 0.98

01:51:35.000 So I'm not gonna repeat it. 0.98

01:51:37.000 Go to TimCast.com.

01:51:37.000 Just so you guys know.

01:51:39.000 Icarus can cure COVID.

01:51:39.000 Become a member.

01:51:43.000 No, that's not true.

01:51:44.000 Go to a doctor.

01:51:45.000 You literally can't say that.

01:51:47.000 You can't say that.

01:51:47.000 Icarus.

01:51:48.000 It doesn't matter.

01:51:48.000 It's Greek mythology.

01:51:49.000 You can't say that.

01:51:50.000 No joke.

01:51:53.000 There's no joking about this, dude.

01:51:55.000 They've taken down Crowder.

01:51:56.000 Even if you said Superman can do it.

01:51:58.000 Yes.

01:51:59.000 Yes.

01:52:03.000 They took down Crowder for citing CDC guidelines.

01:52:06.000 So it's like, we've had people on the show where I'm like, hey, like, no, you can't, like, make jokes about this stuff.

01:52:11.000 Like, okay.

01:52:11.000 And they do anyway.

01:52:12.000 And it's like, these people seem to think that YouTube is not sitting there with their finger over the band button saying, I want to effing destroy these people.

01:52:19.000 I thought we were flying under the radar, but we're not.

01:52:22.000 No.

01:52:23.000 Icarus.

01:52:23.000 You have to encourage everybody to go see their own doctor and ask them for advice.

01:52:26.000 100%.

01:52:26.000 And you're not allowed to joke about it.

01:52:28.000 No joking.

01:52:29.000 Nope.

01:52:30.000 Icarus.

01:52:30.000 YouTube is straight up like, that's it.

01:52:30.000 Yup.

01:52:33.000 That's it.

01:52:34.000 So, you know, but when the day comes, it comes.

01:52:36.000 That's why we're advocating for TimCast.com.

01:52:38.000 That's why we have these conversations exist on platforms that we can have them exist on and they're getting more and more views.

01:52:43.000 All right.

01:52:44.000 Rocky Rain says, Tim, George Washington, who also lived in Virginia, freed his slaves on his deathbed.

01:52:49.000 After he freed his slaves, Virginia passes a new law banning the freeing of slaves in one's will.

01:52:54.000 Thomas Jefferson didn't free his slaves because it was illegal.

01:52:56.000 All right.

01:52:56.000 Well, there you go.

01:52:57.000 Interesting.

01:52:59.000 Sense-making apparatus.

01:53:01.000 Billy Bob Baba Ghanoush says Luke is not Slavic to be politically correct thing to the to be political

01:53:07.000 To be politically correct thing to say is he's Slavics with an X. Oh, yeah, I 1.00

01:53:13.000 Couldn't believe it when Biden actually like audibly said

01:53:19.000 Latinx Latinx or whatever he said

01:53:22.000 He actually actually said the word out loud that people have only written.

01:53:26.000 Goofy foot says Jack Murphy makes Chuck Norris look like a bearded woman. 1.00

01:53:30.000 I'll take that as a compliment, I think.

01:53:32.000 Yeah, it's big.

01:53:33.000 OK, good.

01:53:34.000 Sorry, Chuck.

01:53:37.000 All right.

01:53:38.000 Canadian A says, Hey Tim, I just wanted to shout out Shad from Shadiversity and Game Nights.

01:53:44.000 He's an author and YouTuber.

01:53:45.000 I'm just a fan, but he's doing a great job creating culture.

01:53:48.000 He's conservative, but that's secondary.

01:53:50.000 Check it out.

01:53:50.000 Is he the guy who has like swords and stuff?

01:53:51.000 I don't know.

01:53:52.000 Never heard of this guy.

01:53:53.000 Maybe, maybe, maybe I've seen him.

01:53:53.000 Yeah.

01:53:57.000 Let's see what we got.

01:53:57.000 All right.

01:53:58.000 Let's scroll down.

01:53:58.000 It's going to do a YouTube super just do a big jump on me.

01:54:01.000 Cause they just load instantly.

01:54:02.000 Super jump.

01:54:06.000 Catoriously Wise says, "...about the draft of the Declaration.

01:54:10.000 During those times, a potential jail sentence has to work on a ship or in the American colonies.

01:54:16.000 I think this is what was referred to since the crown, i.e.

01:54:19.000 the king through the court, that has sentenced the prisoner." 0.83

01:54:22.000 Uh, I don't know.

01:54:22.000 Most... Like, I read a bunch about it, and they said that he was referring to slavery, not referring to jail sentences.

01:54:29.000 He was saying that he, like... like, violated human nature or something like that, like...

01:54:34.000 People who have never offended him or something like that.

01:54:37.000 Whatever.

01:54:38.000 All right.

01:54:39.000 Let's see.

01:54:39.000 Darth Vader says, cancer free as of today.

01:54:41.000 Tough two years, but anyways, just wanted to say what's up and keep up the good work, guys.

01:54:45.000 Jack, I'm a huge fan, man.

01:54:46.000 Thank you.

01:54:47.000 And congratulations to you, man.

01:54:48.000 Way to fight through that.

01:54:49.000 Absolutely.

01:54:52.000 All right.

01:54:55.000 Oh, I can't read that one.

01:54:57.000 Mr. Obvious says, we are getting banned and demonetized.

01:54:59.000 We are being snuffed out just slowly.

01:55:01.000 That's right.

01:55:01.000 It's called pressure.

01:55:03.000 The goal is not to ban people outright because they know that creates ripples and waves.

01:55:07.000 The goal is to push down slowly until they're underground.

01:55:11.000 Every time someone looks, they see you an inch lower, but they're like, looks same to me.

01:55:15.000 Seems fine.

01:55:16.000 The era of remonetization is upon us.

01:55:18.000 They want it to seem like you're just failing.

01:55:21.000 You know, people just don't like your videos anymore.

01:55:24.000 Now the challenge is, that's why I always say, share this show.

01:55:27.000 Share these clips, share this show, share the podcast, subscribe to it.

01:55:31.000 Because they will try to suppress it, but if you are sharing it with your friends and family, they can't.

01:55:36.000 And they'll keep trying, but the people are pushing back.

01:55:38.000 I heard one of the shows we did last week was about, I think it was about Facebook.

01:55:43.000 And the title said Facebook something something.

01:55:45.000 And someone shared it on Facebook and immediately got their account suspended.

01:55:48.000 Probably.

01:55:48.000 Just because of the name of the video.

01:55:50.000 Facebook refused to give us partner program access on any of our accounts.

01:55:54.000 It was like soccer bird.

01:55:56.000 They said we didn't create it.

01:55:57.000 It wasn't original content.

01:55:58.000 And we were like, it's their show.

01:56:01.000 It's a podcast.

01:56:01.000 We have a show.

01:56:02.000 It's actually a top iTunes podcast.

01:56:03.000 And they were like, not original.

01:56:05.000 Bye bye.

01:56:06.000 Got an email back, it was like, we're sorry we can't help you, it's just, we don't have the apparatus, like, there's no structure at Facebook for actually dealing with this.

01:56:12.000 You'll have to go through the automated system.

01:56:14.000 They were basically saying the clips we were uploading, which only appear on Facebook in that format, were unoriginal.

01:56:21.000 Is that because... Even though it's like your face speaking words out of your brain?

01:56:25.000 Unoriginal.

01:56:26.000 Yep.

01:56:27.000 I wonder if we do it as ads if they'll do it then.

01:56:29.000 No, no, what they're claiming is that we're taking someone else's show and putting it up.

01:56:32.000 Not that it's repeating the same show that you own?

01:56:35.000 No, they're saying we're taking someone else's.

01:56:36.000 It would be like if I just upload episodes of The Simpsons.

01:56:39.000 Right, right, right, right.

01:56:40.000 It's BS.

01:56:42.000 I don't even go on Facebook at all anymore.

01:56:44.000 I barely touch it at all.

01:56:45.000 Only for messaging.

01:56:46.000 Even then I'm like, why am I using Facebook messaging?

01:56:48.000 Delete that, dude.

01:56:50.000 Yeah, it's tracked and... Although I have like saved messages from 2010 that I sent that are still accessed sometimes.

01:56:58.000 Can't be that important.

01:57:05.000 I mean, is there not a better character name for the new He-Man than She-Man? 0.83

01:57:11.000 Oh, that would have been great!

01:57:13.000 Wasn't it She-Ra? 0.88

01:57:14.000 It was She-Ra, but the new character has to be She-Man.

01:57:18.000 Dude, have you seen the documentary about the creation of He-Man?

01:57:20.000 It's one of the best documentaries in the world.

01:57:23.000 It's incredible.

01:57:24.000 Yeah.

01:57:25.000 About Skeletor and He-Man and Power of Grayskull and all that?

01:57:30.000 I'm gonna have a hard time recalling anybody.

01:57:31.000 I highly recommend checking it out.

01:57:33.000 What?

01:57:33.000 Of course!

01:57:33.000 He-Man needed a magic sword to have power. Thanks to Kevin Smith's woke He-Man,

01:57:37.000 we now know Tila had the power the whole time and just needed him out of the way to realize it.

01:57:42.000 Kevin Smith is involved? Is that for real?

01:57:47.000 He's like, I never had the power in the first place.

01:57:49.000 It was always you somehow giving it to me or something.

01:57:51.000 Do you remember Clerks?

01:57:52.000 Do you remember watching that in black and white?

01:57:55.000 Would you have predicted that those guys would go woke?

01:57:58.000 No, I would have thought he would have done more LSD.

01:57:59.000 Yes, I think so.

01:58:01.000 Really?

01:58:01.000 From watching Clerks?

01:58:03.000 Look, man, people just want things.

01:58:07.000 Very few people have principles.

01:58:08.000 Dude, I want to talk about this He-Man.

01:58:10.000 That's why it's like, dude, the last people you can accuse of being grifters are people who are, like, I'll tell you this.

01:58:16.000 You want to criticize Conservative Inc.?

01:58:18.000 Okay, maybe I understand that.

01:58:19.000 They make money.

01:58:20.000 You want to consider, like, Dave Rubin?

01:58:23.000 Like, he's grifting.

01:58:24.000 I'm like, he could have just stayed with the Young Turks and continued to do the mainstream show.

01:58:30.000 Why would he choose to be in the outgroup?

01:58:32.000 Why would he choose to put himself at risk?

01:58:34.000 He succeeded in spite of these things.

01:58:35.000 Big risks.

01:58:36.000 I continuously put myself in the outgroup of the outgroup and still people call me grifter.

01:58:41.000 Wow.

01:58:41.000 There's no escaping.

01:58:42.000 I could just make up my mind.

01:58:44.000 I could do four.

01:58:45.000 So people don't need to understand about success.

01:58:47.000 It's like.

01:58:49.000 Do they think that people who are willing to work 100 plus hours a week or whatever are only succeeding because they've chosen to talk politics?

01:58:58.000 If I was going to work this hard and really want to make money, why wouldn't I just say whatever Amazon wanted me to say?

01:59:02.000 They're the ones with the money.

01:59:03.000 Who am I supposed to make money from?

01:59:05.000 You specifically are playing on elite, advanced, double, extra plus.

01:59:09.000 Expert level when you really could just do it much easier All you have to do is sell stuff that just makes you like get get laid more get paid more Just focus on that.

01:59:19.000 That's how you make money in the man space.

01:59:21.000 That's for sure Well, I don't think they're awful.

01:59:24.000 I didn't say that.

01:59:25.000 But I think that there have been a lot of awful things surrounding them lately.

01:59:28.000 I think Cenk is, like, losing his mind after the Hillary Clinton email scandal.

01:59:32.000 continue genocide.

01:59:32.000 It's not that.

01:59:34.000 Geez.

01:59:35.000 Hey, well, I don't think they're awful.

01:59:37.000 I didn't say that.

01:59:38.000 But I think that there have been a lot of awful things surrounding them lately.

01:59:42.000 I think Cenk is like losing his mind after the Hillary Clinton email scandal.

01:59:47.000 It's not that it's that these people on the left who were like, I believe in these things.

01:59:51.000 The NSA is bad.

01:59:52.000 The FBI is bad.

01:59:53.000 All of a sudden now we're confronted with a mainstream establishment left saying, say the opposite of everything you just said, or we'll throw you out. 0.95

02:00:00.000 And so now their brains just twisted.

02:00:02.000 And I see it in Cenk because he's on TV so much talking as you can see like his own, like he's twisted and it's not his fault, but he's been twisted by the media.

02:00:10.000 It's simple.

02:00:10.000 It's like, there's a reason why people like Rubin, Jimmy Dore leave.

02:00:14.000 There's a reason why people like Glenn Greenwald are accused of changing.

02:00:17.000 He accuses me of changing.

02:00:18.000 It's like, bro, we've all been in the same place, but we are not tied to corporate sponsors and investors.

02:00:24.000 I wonder if what really happened is these people left.

02:00:27.000 were able to speak their minds and be free and as the world changed around

02:00:27.000 Wow.

02:00:30.000 them they maintain their principles and they started calling out the problems

02:00:33.000 but jank is is trapped under the boot of a corporation with investors with

02:00:37.000 demands and so he's sitting there like slowly drifting away like

02:00:40.000 i have to say these crazy things wow and think about how angry you would be

02:00:43.000 imagine this jack if imagine if someone came to you and said

02:00:49.000 literally everything you've done everything you've built will be stripped

02:00:52.000 and taken away from you well Harm will come to your family.

02:00:55.000 You have to say what we want you to say.

02:00:57.000 So, depending on, you know, you're standing there, like, feeling the intense pressure of being forced to say something you know is not true.

02:01:05.000 Cenk isn't strong enough to say no to it. 0.98

02:01:06.000 Well, since I've already been in that exact situation before and elected to say exactly what I thought was on my mind, let the chips fall where they may, I can't relate to Cenk being a little bitch in that regard. 1.00

02:01:17.000 Yeah, because they'll, they'll say, say these and then you'll be like, I don't want to do it. 0.57

02:01:20.000 I don't.

02:01:20.000 And then finally one day given.

02:01:22.000 And then the next day they're gonna be like, okay, now do it again.

02:01:24.000 Right.

02:01:25.000 And it's like, what, this is my life.

02:01:26.000 This is what my life.

02:01:27.000 It's the same principle behind not apologizing for that stuff too.

02:01:30.000 What's this corporation, the parent corporation of Young Turks?

02:01:32.000 Are they owned?

02:01:33.000 Well, I think they have investors.

02:01:35.000 They have, like, big, powerful investors and things like that.

02:01:37.000 I don't know for sure, though.

02:01:38.000 You know, when you said that about him being boxed in, do you remember in the end of which Superman?

02:01:42.000 I can't remember where, like, the three evil... The second one.

02:01:45.000 Sent to the Phantom Realm or whatever.

02:01:46.000 They all get, like, boxed into, like, the little crystal thing and it, like, just... And they're like, whoa!

02:01:50.000 Yeah, it just scatters off into space.

02:01:52.000 That's what's happening to Cenk right now.

02:01:54.000 But he's like, he's losing it. You know what I mean?

02:01:56.000 He's watching what he can't say any of these things because he's a tribalist.

02:02:01.000 Not he's not principled.

02:02:02.000 So there are people with principles like Jimmy Dore who will be like, here's what I believe. 0.50

02:02:06.000 And then when the left goes nuts or the Democrats go nuts, he'll be like, screw that.

02:02:10.000 There are people like Glenn Greenwald, who are principled.

02:02:13.000 Now, my criticism of Glenn Greenwald in the past is that he's activist-y and he is more political than, you know, like 10 years ago I said, this guy, he's coming out, he's publishing these things, but he's always been an opinion guy.

02:02:25.000 That's fine, but he's principled.

02:02:27.000 So when the Democrats go nuts, he calls them out.

02:02:28.000 When the FBI goes nuts, NSA, he's always criticized these groups.

02:02:32.000 Hell, even when his own publication lost its way, he was like, I'm out.

02:02:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:02:37.000 Because they're like, you cannot force me.

02:02:39.000 But what happens when you're the head of a major company with everyone staring at you saying, we believe this, believe it or else?

02:02:46.000 Well, I mean, isn't that exactly what happened to Glenn at Intercept?

02:02:51.000 And Glenn walked away.

02:02:52.000 And he walked away.

02:02:53.000 So Cenk, be half the man that Glenn Greenwald is.

02:02:57.000 See how that works.

02:02:58.000 Glenn had lost control of the company.

02:02:59.000 He has lost control of his own mouth.

02:03:05.000 This is unconfirmed, right?

02:03:07.000 No one knows that he's being coerced to say things?

02:03:10.000 I'm saying, in my opinion, the fact that he is towing the line for the establishment while pretending to be a progressive... Seems so weird.

02:03:16.000 ...shows that he is trapped in a box.

02:03:19.000 People on the left, why is it so hard to get many of these people to appear on this show?

02:03:23.000 Or the grifters will always try.

02:03:24.000 I would say that too, like, there are legitimate left personalities who are like, I won't go on the show because I will get attacked for it.

02:03:30.000 There's no upside.

02:03:31.000 Then you get the grifters who are like, have me on the show.

02:03:33.000 And they have like really low view counts and they're really desperate for attention.

02:03:36.000 And I'm like, bro, you're, you're grifting.

02:03:38.000 I get it.

02:03:39.000 We're not going to give you airtime.

02:03:41.000 And we want to have this legitimate person on, but they're scared they'll get canceled.

02:03:46.000 Conservatives are like, I demand you have me on the show.

02:03:49.000 When are you going to have me on the show?

02:03:50.000 I want to be on the show.

02:03:51.000 It's true.

02:03:52.000 You go to a Trump rally.

02:03:54.000 Is that right?

02:03:54.000 You go to a Trump rally.

02:03:56.000 Walk up with a camera and a microphone to a Trump supporter and be like, hey, do you want to answer some questions?

02:04:00.000 They'll be like, sure.

02:04:01.000 Go to a Democrat rally.

02:04:04.000 No.

02:04:04.000 No, don't.

02:04:05.000 I can't advise that.

02:04:05.000 I can get sued if someone gets hurt.

02:04:07.000 I can't believe people call you up and they're like, I demand to be on the Timbul IRL.

02:04:13.000 They don't demand, but they're like, yeah, when are you going to have me on?

02:04:16.000 Like, it's a given.

02:04:17.000 When are we on?

02:04:17.000 What I mean is, conservatives, unless there's an issue of like, they're busy, will be like, I'd love to do an interview.

02:04:24.000 People on the left are like, why?

02:04:26.000 No.

02:04:27.000 I can't do it.

02:04:28.000 KG.

02:04:28.000 That's it.

02:04:29.000 Anyway, my friends, if you haven't already, you gotta smash that like button.

02:04:31.000 Smash it.

02:04:32.000 Go to TimCast.com.

02:04:33.000 Become a member because we're going to have a bonus segment coming up in about 11.

02:04:36.000 We're going to talk about those things that YouTube will ban us for.

02:04:40.000 Yeah.

02:04:41.000 You can follow this show on Facebook and Instagram at Timcast IRL.

02:04:45.000 Help share our videos so that we can leverage those networks to get people to go to the website.

02:04:49.000 Also, we've been on TikTok.

02:04:51.000 We've been blowing up on TikTok apparently.

02:04:52.000 I think that's doing really well.

02:04:53.000 Yeah, like huge.

02:04:54.000 Videos are getting hundreds of thousands of views.

02:04:55.000 Different demographics.

02:04:56.000 It's pretty cool.

02:04:57.000 Younger people apparently, which is good news. 1.00

02:04:59.000 Gotta reach those young people.

02:05:00.000 Who's doing your TikTok clips?

02:05:02.000 We got a guy.

02:05:02.000 What do you mean?

02:05:04.000 I need the same.

02:05:06.000 I need the same.

02:05:06.000 Yes.

02:05:07.000 Great job.

02:05:08.000 I saw the clips on Instagram now.

02:05:09.000 I'm like, all right, there we go.

02:05:11.000 Get up.

02:05:11.000 I hit a follow on that.

02:05:13.000 I got to say the dude that's doing the clips.

02:05:15.000 You're doing a really good job.

02:05:17.000 Talented.

02:05:17.000 Yes.

02:05:18.000 Very talented.

02:05:19.000 So, uh, but we're getting, we're getting access to those young people and apparently, um, middle-aged women are on TikTok. 1.00

02:05:23.000 So, so, Hey, that's good.

02:05:25.000 So middle-aged white women are like my main demographic. 1.00

02:05:28.000 Those are my girls, man.

02:05:29.000 So, uh, but don't forget to follow, you can follow me at Timcast.

02:05:32.000 You can, uh, subscribe to this channel, share with your friends.

02:05:35.000 Jack, you want to shout out?

02:05:36.000 I do.

02:05:37.000 My name is Jack Murphy.

02:05:38.000 I have all kinds of things.

02:05:39.000 I have the Jack Murphy live show.

02:05:40.000 It's on YouTube.

02:05:41.000 I'm Jack Murphy live on every social everywhere.

02:05:43.000 Please follow me on Twitter, on Instagram.

02:05:45.000 Come down, sign up for the liminal order.

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02:06:01.000 Oh, that's awesome.

02:06:02.000 Well, thanks for coming, Jack.

02:06:03.000 My pleasure.

02:06:04.000 It's so good to be back.

02:06:04.000 I can't believe I missed as much time as I did.

02:06:06.000 It's nice.

02:06:07.000 We're back on the regular schedule.

02:06:09.000 No more summer crap. 0.75

02:06:10.000 No more weird things. 0.97

02:06:11.000 We're here.

02:06:12.000 I miss my man Freedom Tunes.

02:06:14.000 We got to get Shamus.

02:06:15.000 We're supposed to have the Illinois boys.

02:06:17.000 Illinois boys.

02:06:19.000 We didn't even talk about my engagement.

02:06:21.000 We didn't talk about Miami.

02:06:22.000 We didn't talk about any of these things.

02:06:24.000 When's the big day?

02:06:25.000 Big day is going to be in the fall of 2022.

02:06:27.000 Can't wait.

02:06:28.000 Fantastic, man.

02:06:28.000 Thank you so much.

02:06:30.000 Shout out, baby. 0.99

02:06:32.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:06:32.000 Hit me at IanCrossland.

02:06:33.000 Thanks for bringing up He-Man. 0.94

02:06:34.000 That was awesome.

02:06:36.000 And I'm well out of this He-Man stuff, but thank you very much, Jack, for coming back.

02:06:40.000 My pleasure.

02:06:41.000 Happy to see you again.

02:06:41.000 Back on our old routine.

02:06:42.000 Yes.

02:06:43.000 You guys can follow me at Sour Patch Kids on Twitter as I attempt to get more followers in Sour Patch Kids.

02:06:47.000 How far away are we?

02:06:48.000 I'm pretty close.

02:06:49.000 I think they have 92 and I have about 80.

02:06:53.000 Oh, there we go.

02:06:54.000 Yeah, there we go.

02:06:56.000 And then we can mock and ridicule Sour Patch Kids.

02:06:58.000 Yes.

02:06:59.000 And we'll get we'll get a bunch of bags of them and we'll throw them around and laugh.

02:07:02.000 I love Sour Patch Kids.

02:07:03.000 I used to eat a lot of Sour Patch Kids.

02:07:05.000 I used to go to the corner store and it was one penny per Sour Patch Kids so I'd be like, I'd hand them a dollar and they'd give me this bag just insane amount of Sour Patch Kids.

02:07:13.000 Anyway, go to TimCast.com, become a member.

02:07:15.000 We'll have a bonus members-only podcast coming up with Jack around 11 p.m.

02:07:19.000 or so.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - July 07, 2021

Timcast IRL - Tucker Carlson WAS SPIED ON, Source Leaks Tucker Communications w-Jack Murphy

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