Tucker Carlson claims that the NSA spied on him and tried to get him taken off the air, but the NSA denies it. How did they get the information? And who is the source? And why did they do it?
00:00:22.000Tucker came out on his show and said that he got information that the NSA had been spying on him, that they wanted to leak information to get him taken off the air.
00:00:47.000Edward Snowden leaked the information.
00:00:49.000Sure, they can spy on a foreign individual, but if your communications are somewhere in between, they can still get access.
00:00:56.000Plus, they're bulk spying on the American people anyway.
00:00:59.000Well, as it turns out now, someone leaked to a journalist at Axios who Tucker Carlson was talking to.
00:01:06.000He was apparently talking to people in the Kremlin inner circle, trying to get an interview with Vladimir Putin.
00:01:11.000If Tucker Carlson didn't preempt this story, the narrative right now would be Tucker colluding with Russians.
00:01:18.000I would absolutely be willing to bet that's the case.
00:01:21.000But because Tucker came out and said they're spying on our communications, working on a story, the narrative is Tucker was trying to interview Putin.
00:01:32.000Even if they weren't spying on Tucker, who gave them the right to unmask him?
00:01:36.000Meaning when an American citizen gets captured, when their data gets captured by the NSA, it's supposed to be hidden.
00:01:41.000That means somebody went to a FISA court and a judge signed off on revealing a U.S.
00:01:47.000journalist's name who was trying to interview a world leader.
00:01:51.000None of this adds up, but I can tell you what does.
00:01:53.000All of the morons in the mainstream press who have so much egg on their face you can make an omelette, Because they were for days being like, Tucker's so dumb, he's making it up.
00:02:02.000And now they're going, this is really interesting.
00:02:03.000I wonder how this information could have been leaked.
00:02:05.000This is something we should talk about.
00:02:06.000And people are like, yo, you were just... I'm sick of these people.
00:03:08.000We're supposed to talk about serious stuff.
00:03:11.000I've been disturbed by the FISA courts for like 15 years.
00:03:13.000I mean, when it was the first time that it was it was elucidated to the public that... Well, the first time I really heard about it was Michael Cernovich breaking the FISA unmasking with Susan Rice in a Mike Flynn case.
00:03:24.000That is the first time I heard about it.
00:03:28.000And that's how I came to understand how the FISA courts work and what it means to be revealed and unmasked if you've been Sort of caught up in this snare of foreign intelligence work and they're snooping on people.
00:03:39.000This is just a journalist. There's a lot to this. The Five Eyes Spy Club.
00:03:42.000What that means. How they cheat the laws and violate rights.
00:03:47.000We'll get into all of this though. We got Lyds. She's pressing on the glass.
00:04:51.000But just how perfect is it that we're now learning about one of the highest profile individuals in politics, in the culture war, having his information intercepted.
00:05:01.000Now look, I'm going to be real with you.
00:05:02.000I don't think a VPN is going to protect you from the NSA spying on Vladimir Putin, but it's another example of the dirty tricks that you get from not just the government, from hackers, from private corporations.
00:06:51.000Now for those that aren't familiar with the story, let me just rehash real quickly for those that are just tuning in.
00:06:56.000Tucker Carlson came out on his show and said someone revealed to him information that was in his texts and his emails that no one else had access to.
00:07:05.000This, long story short, said to him the NSA was spying on him and his communications.
00:07:12.000He said the intent was to leak it to get his show taken off the air.
00:07:16.000As soon as he comes out and says this, of course all the conservatives say, I trust Tucker, I don't think he's gonna make this up.
00:07:22.000Not even just conservatives, just, you know, anti-establishment types.
00:07:25.000And of course the establishment immediately said, he's making it up, he's lying, he's BSing, he's not being spied on.
00:07:31.000And the NSA themselves issued what's called a non-denial denial, where they said, Tucker's claim that we're trying to get his show taken off the air is untrue.
00:08:03.000Jonathan Swan of Axios can just reveal who his source is.
00:08:07.000He says Tucker Carlson was talking to US-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the NSA of spying on him.
00:08:16.000Sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.
00:08:21.000Now, how are they familiar with those conversations if Tucker says he didn't share them with anybody?
00:08:24.000Is the source actually someone at Fox News who's stabbed Tucker in the back?
00:08:35.000Think about what would have happened if Tucker never said anything.
00:08:38.000The story right now would be, leaked communications show Tucker trying to negotiate deals with Vladimir Putin or something to that effect.
00:08:46.000Instead, because Tucker came out and said he was working on a story, the narrative is now, while Tucker was claiming to be working on a story, he was talking to people who are Kremlin intermediaries.
00:09:04.000Now the funny thing is, all these journalists that are trying to act like, it's, oh, oh, I'm a serious reporter, oh, this, it must be true, even though they were the ones dragging him the whole time.
00:09:46.000This isn't this isn't even Trump is in office.
00:09:49.000This isn't even during Trump Russia scandal or whatnot.
00:09:53.000This is just Tucker Carlson going about his normal business as a journalist who interviews top leading world officials.
00:10:02.000And they snared him in their international spy ring that's coordinated against multiple or coordinated with multiple different English speaking countries, five eyes, right?
00:10:14.000And they were like, hey, we need to figure out who this guy is.
00:11:11.000Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson were, or I'm sorry, why can't they say they have not confirmed that the NSA was the source of this information?
00:11:22.000What they're saying was his communications have been intercepted.
00:11:25.000So that means the source for Jonathan Swan may actually be the NSA.
00:11:29.000But the NSA didn't say we spied on Tucker.
00:11:35.000When the NSA denied spying on Tucker, they never came out right and said, we are not reading his emails, we are not reading his texts, that's not true.
00:11:43.000They said, Tucker alleged that we were spying on his communications and were planning to leak them in order to get his show off the air.
00:13:53.000Okay, I can't confirm they were spying on him, but he told me that if it wasn't the NSA telling Jonathan Swan, why didn't they also add the source of this information is not coming from the NSA?
00:14:03.000No, they're quite literally saying Carlson learned that the government was aware.
00:14:07.000government officials had learned about this.
00:14:28.000They go on to say, let me read a little bit of this.
00:14:30.000The NSA's public statement didn't directly deny that any Carlson communications had been swept up by the agency.
00:14:35.000Axios submitted a request for comment to the NSA on Wednesday asking whether the agency would also be willing to categorically deny that the NSA intercepted any of Carlson's communications in the context of monitoring somebody he was talking to in his effort to set up an interview with Putin.
00:14:48.000An NSA spokesperson declined to comment and referred Axios back to the earlier statement.
00:14:53.000In other words, the NSA is denying the targeting of Carlson, but is not denying that his communications were incidentally collected.
00:14:59.000And Axios is not telling us who their source is, whether or not their source is part of the NSA, and they could do that.
00:15:07.000If I had a source who revealed that Jack Murphy had stolen my cookies from the cookie jar, and people were like, Ian was the source, I could be like, Ian was not the source, I can confirm that much.
00:15:44.000I mean, Jonathan Swan, he's the guy who did that really awful interview with Trump where he was just negative about literally everything Trump said.
00:15:49.000And he was scowling the whole time at everything Trump said.
00:15:53.000Look, we know that they are literally searching right now, Oliver Dumb Dumb Darcy, And team, they're all searching for who's the next Putin?
00:17:54.000Then there's, what did he say, when he mentions the spying?
00:17:57.000Then it shows an old clip from like the 2000s of Jones being like, they're spying money on me and it's been admitted it's happening.
00:18:02.000And I'm like, so you found three or four things that are somewhat related but still kind of different and you're acting like he's verbatim repeating Alice Jones.
00:18:12.000It was the most ridiculous garbage story ever.
00:19:40.000Two hours ago, Axios reported that Tucker Carlson was seeking an interview with Vladimir Putin at the time he was accusing the NSA of spying on him.
00:19:48.000Stands to reason somebody leaked communications from Tucker Carlson somehow that he was doing this, and who would have access to it?
00:19:56.000Perhaps it was a hacker who broke into Tucker's email and phone and spoofed it or something, or perhaps Tucker is right.
00:20:02.000Tucker's source said the NSA was spying on him.
00:20:11.000Gizmodo writes this story an hour ago.
00:20:14.000Tucker FOIAs the NSA, that means Freedom of Information Act.
00:20:18.000FOIA means, as a verb, to file a request for the government information to see what they're doing.
00:20:24.000Gizmodo says, the pompadoured talk show host with a face made of Play-Doh has decided to kick things up a notch in his feud with America's surveillance Goliath.
00:20:35.000It was about two weeks ago that Tucker Carlson first claimed, without evidence, that not only was the NSA spying on him and his staff, but that it was plotting to leak his show's internal communications in an apparent effort to take it off the air.
00:20:45.000Not long after that, the NSA blah blah blah.
00:20:47.000The whole episode is bizarre for many reasons, even in today's day and age.
00:20:51.000Now it would appear that the news anchor in his show filed an actual FOIA request with the spy agency.
00:20:56.000In an apparent effort to shake loose any evidence of the government's supposed snooping.
00:26:31.000And I've been thinking for a long time how good that is, because it's actually one of the reasons I reduced the amount of segments I was doing on my other channels.
00:26:38.000I was doing five per day on one channel.
00:30:26.000And the success of Timcast.com and everyone signing up to become members gives me confidence in the future.
00:30:31.000It's probably the most the most like illuminating thing.
00:30:35.000When I hear Bannon and Michael Malice say, like, we're going to win, and I start thinking about all the really bad stuff, and I want to get pulled into that darkness where it's like all the bad stuff is taking over, and then I stopped and I thought to myself, do I really think TimCast.com is going to fail?
00:32:17.000I just go- I slowly walk to the corner and stand there as everyone beats each other up, and then I just chill.
00:32:22.000And then finally when the last person's left, I'm like, yo, you could've come over at any point, but you- you ignored me, thinking I was doing nothing.
00:32:27.000Now I got three lives, I got 0% damage, that's what it's all about.
00:32:31.000You get mixed up in the fray, you take a lot of heat, you take a lot of damage, hoping that you'll come out on top, I have a good story about this.
00:32:37.000I met with Curtis Yarvin a few years ago when he was in sort of a quiet period.
00:32:43.000And he told me, he's like, look, you know, there's no point in encountering a predator animal as a predator animal on the Savannah.
00:33:04.000That's what the LO, the liminal order, is all about.
00:33:06.000Taking your head off the chopping block, going underground, popping up when you want, being strategic about your appearances, about your public message.
00:33:14.000There was this time at which, starting with bulletin board systems and Telnet and ICQ and all these things, where you just put everything out there.
00:36:51.000Trump files a class action lawsuit against Facebook, Twitter, and Google for censoring him, demands an end to big tech silencing and blacklisting of conservative voices, and calls for punitive damages for cancel culture victims.
00:37:03.000He is also suing the CEOs of these companies.
00:37:43.000The grasshoppers are like, they outnumber us 1,001.
00:37:46.000If they find out the system, they're going to topple us.
00:37:49.000Everybody loves using that analogy of the left and the right, but think about it right now.
00:37:54.000If you're watching these grasshoppers kick people around, these billionaires, these tech oligarchs, push people around, and you're like, we'll never win against them, there's no point in fighting.
00:39:23.000Now, I have no idea the legalities of this.
00:39:26.000Will Chamberlain probably be the best person to talk to about this or Ron Coleman and those guys who know how these lawsuits are going to go.
00:39:39.000I've talked to Will, who's very smart.
00:39:42.000He's a lawyer, so he knows a lot about this.
00:39:44.000And I've brought up a lot of things to him where he says, that's no good, that maybe, that's no good, and I don't know, maybe a judge will agree with that one.
00:39:52.000Whether or not you get a judge to agree with you is the biggest question.
00:39:55.000Did you make a good enough argument to convince a judge?
00:39:58.000And what I've seen across the board from defamation lawsuits to censorship lawsuits is the lawyers have made really bad arguments because they fundamentally don't understand what they're talking about.
00:40:08.000I mean no disrespect to a lot of these lawyers because some of them have done good lawsuits that got thrown out, but they don't understand the nature of the system.
00:40:15.000They don't understand the attack vectors.
00:40:17.000I think Wikipedia may be one of the best Tell me, I got Larry Sanger coming on tomorrow.
00:40:23.000that could create a hole in the whole 230 argument and defamation specifically.
00:41:55.000The case has not concluded yet, but a judge said that... Actually, maybe it wasn't the New York Times one, but I'm pretty sure he did win a case where he said it wasn't deceptively edited.
00:42:05.000I could be wrong though, but anyway, I digress.
00:42:07.000I love the way that they've got citations for far right and then deceptively edited.
00:42:13.000That's the way that they're going to get out of it, right?
00:42:46.000Maybe I'll talk him into filing suit on behalf of all these people against his former company that he started, because I'm pretty sure he's not in favor of what's going on there.
00:42:55.000We've talked to him about, I think we talked to him about this.
00:44:14.000You know, my problem with Trump, kind of what you said earlier was what people love about him is that he's a fighter, is that I've known people in my life that are, have like anger issues and would like get really angry and punch a wall.
00:45:27.000They want Facebook and Twitter to agree, basically let the suit happen, and then move to discovery, subpoena Trump, get him under oath, get his emails, get his documents around January 6th.
00:45:41.000Trump is saying, I was bad on this day for these reasons and I'm suing.
00:45:45.000Twitter and Facebook could be like, okay, let's get your emails on that day and see what you were saying to prove whether or not you had the intention that we thought you did.
00:46:35.000You know, you know, when you're talking to somebody who's been a little bit paranoid is when you're texting and then all of a sudden you get an audio, an audio message instead of a text.
00:46:44.000That's all I do is I send audio messages now.
00:48:21.000So imagine, imagine if these people who are that dumb, I'm sorry, family are your actual family, your actual mom or your sister or your cousin who are reading your tweets and taking all the jokes seriously.
00:48:37.000And none of the serious stuff, seriously.
00:48:40.000I'm like, you guys just have to stop reading.
00:48:44.000Because they think that the stuff that is specifically trolly, that is meant to push people away, that is, if you're in on it, is obviously a joke.
00:48:54.000And if you're not in on it, good, go away.
00:48:57.000They're part of the good go away crowd and they're like, oh my god, What's happened to you?
00:49:39.000Let's say I'll have a debate or a discussion with a leftist personality.
00:49:44.000And I'll say something like, when it comes to universal health care, you have an argument between utilitarianism and deontological philosophy.
00:49:50.000And he goes, I don't know what that is.
00:49:52.000And you try to explain it to them, and then maybe I'll be like, okay, I got to dumb it down for you.
00:49:57.000So maybe I'll use a movie reference because you're clearly not at the same level, but I'm trying to communicate.
00:50:01.000And then they'll start laughing, being like, duh, he said Marvel, he's so dumb.
00:50:05.000How do you, you have these people that hear Brian Seltzer go, Donald Trump is working for Russia or something like
00:50:11.000And then you get Chris Hayes, where you got Jonathan Chait saying, Trump may have been a Russian asset since the 1980s.
00:50:29.000And then meanwhile, people like us, on this side, whatever, are going like, well something's not right, you can't just say both things, like which one's true and which one isn't.
00:50:37.000But I seriously think when you look at the Democratic establishment, these are people who are either lying, many of them probably are, or are just too dumb to like actually do any of the work.
00:53:14.000Because this is going to affect the way that you process this information that you're receiving.
00:53:18.000Have you ever actually thought about any of those feelings, even?
00:53:23.000A lot of people will just be like, they'll go to the fridge and they'll eat, and no one's ever stopped them and said, are you hungry right now?
00:54:35.000And then make sure you bounce all those things off people, a network of people that you have built.
00:54:40.000I don't think that these guys on the left have have demonstrated any ability to sense make or to accelerate their process of observing, understanding, making a decision and taking action or the OODA loop, right?
00:56:03.000Or the lone one running on his own, like, what should we do?
00:56:06.000We were just talking about this, about predators on the savannah.
00:56:10.000It's like, we've encountered each other.
00:56:11.000We can fight, we can maybe maim each other, or we can just go like this, and just go about our business.
00:56:17.000I watched two bears go at it, and they bit each other's faces, and, like, ripped each other's faces open, and then they were just, like, walking around, breathing heavy, just bleeding faces.
00:58:12.000She's the leading union rep for the teachers.
00:58:16.000And collectively with the NEA and the other one, they're about ready to say that they're not going to work this fall unless all students are vaccinated.
00:58:27.000I'm just saying, I'm watching this lady just destroy the whole freaking education market because she's, she's advocating for her, for what she thinks the teachers as professionals need rather than what the kids need.
00:58:39.000I need to clarify something, too, because I tweeted that they're not teaching critical race theory, they're teaching critical rate applied principles, and that was because somebody superchatted us.
00:58:48.000I have been saying this for a while now, and I was criticized for it, and I think people on Twitter, like, you know, Jameson, who tweeted this, I don't think they've actually seen or listened to my podcast where I've talked about this.
00:58:58.000I've criticized Christopher Rufo and James Lindsay for saying critical race theory over and over again.
00:59:02.000I respect the work they're doing tremendously.
00:59:04.000But when you say critical race theory, they come out and they show you the book Critical Race Theory by Kimberly Crenshaw and they say, no student has been taught from this book!
00:59:37.000It's like people who believe that identity, or race, race specifically, should be the principal factor in how the rules and the lessons go, and they're teaching kids to view the world based on race.
00:59:48.000Most people are going to be like, nah, I don't like that.
00:59:50.000As a joke, I said, we need Critical Race Praxis.
01:00:42.000They say praxis because it is a dog whistle that regular people won't understand, and their allies do understand.
01:00:51.000You need to use language, and I'll admit, identitarianism, a lot of people wouldn't understand either.
01:00:57.000The point is, it's exactly their tactic.
01:00:59.000Let's just talk about this for one quick second, though.
01:01:02.000I, there has been amongst the people who are fighting this an argument, an internecine battle, as it were, about people saying that CRT is explicitly anti-white or not.
01:01:17.000And I would just like to interject some nuance here.
01:01:20.000CRT is definitely explicitly anti-white, but not as its primary goal.
01:01:26.000Its primary goal is to disrupt and to take power.
01:01:30.000So they're just sort of using the anti-whiteness as a way for them to take the power that they want, which is really to inject the false consciousness to do this class war that they're doing.
01:01:45.000There are plenty of folks, actually, even on the right side who are arguing about this right now.
01:01:50.000That's just completely and factually incorrect.
01:01:57.000Critical race theory is rooted in critical theory, which is the idea of the oppressed and the oppressors.
01:02:03.000Critical race theory, built upon the Marxist ideology of oppressed and oppressor, By introducing race as the primary component, not class.
01:02:12.000Marx felt that there was the bourgeoisie, the proletariat, it was the wealthy elites versus the poor workers.
01:02:17.000And the critical race theorist said, these philosophers or these individuals did not understand racial politics in the United States and in the West.
01:02:26.000Thus, we need a framework that builds upon their ideas, incorporating racism from the United States.
01:02:31.000Which is, there are oppressed and oppressors, and the oppressors are all white.
01:02:37.000But if you think of ancient cultures, if you were applying this practice like in northern Africa,
01:02:42.000where it was like a black population with a king, and then they had like white slaves from like
01:03:38.000Okay, Ian, you're talking about something totally different.
01:03:40.000You're talking about something, a term they've coined.
01:03:42.000I think, I think you're both right, which is the nuance I'm trying to inject here, which is that the, the folks like Kendi and, and Robin and all these and Crenshaw and whatever, They are actually occupied brains.
01:03:56.000Their brains have been occupied by the class people.
01:04:24.000You've got the political class, the industrial class, and the regular people who are being jammed in the gutter and beaten down, having their jobs sent overseas.
01:04:33.000These people occupy seats of government through their wealthy connections.
01:04:36.000They should wear all the patches for all their sponsors.
01:04:45.000It took that idea of class-based problems and flipped it sideways, so now poor people are fighting poor people.
01:04:51.000And yes, whiteness is a core component of this.
01:04:54.000It is inherently a US ideology that seeks to address the Marxist views Through the lens of Western race politics.
01:05:03.000What I don't get is, if a kid is born, a white kid is born to a broken home with a mother that he never sees, that's so poor, and his mom's a junkie, a heroin junkie, he's way less privileged than a black kid that's born to two, a man and a woman, affluent, super wealthy, educated, awesome friends.
01:05:20.000Of course, the number one privilege in America is I have a dad privilege.
01:05:24.000That is the number one privilege in America.
01:05:27.000Which is why we should have a whole month dedicated to fathers.
01:05:31.000Which is why June should be fatherhood month.
01:05:35.000Imagine if we spent the money... Now look, I have gay friends, I've got gay family members, I believe that gay people should be able to get married, and I have all the emotion in the world for them to have all the rights that they want.
01:05:50.000There are people that I know that are homosexual, that don't even want to call themselves gay anymore for how screwed up the gay thing has become.
01:06:03.000They're gay men, they're married to gay men, they love men, but they don't even want to identify as gay anymore because the Human Rights Commission and Pride and all that stuff is so political and has been so hijacked.
01:06:16.000But imagine if we spent the money corporate sponsorship.
01:06:20.000How much corporate money went into sponsoring Pride?
01:06:23.000Which involves kink at parades in front of children.
01:07:01.000The nurturing, the positive aspects of femininity that are being washed away by intersectionality feminism, gender theory, and the critical race theorists, their weird overlap with gender.
01:07:42.000It would be like if, if a guy came up and said, I've come up with something called race theory, which is how to win a race as fast as possible.
01:07:48.000And you went, actually race theory is about the color of your skin.
01:10:11.000So what they're doing is, they've gone into schools, they've built curriculums specifically around this ideology, which as far as I'm concerned is a non-theistic religion, and they're desperately trying to use definitions to hide what they're doing.
01:10:25.000So if you go to a... And really, the whole critical race theory and its applied principles are racist towards everybody, to be completely honest, but they specifically use the word whiteness, targeting white people as the oppressor.
01:11:04.000But when she hears what it actually is, that that little kid says, mom, you're evil and I hate your guts because the book said white people are bad.
01:11:11.000Then she's going to be like, that's what they're teaching you?
01:11:13.000So is it when they say whiteness is bad, but you don't have to be white to exhibit whiteness.
01:11:18.000You can be a black person exhibiting whiteness.
01:11:48.000It's a way to manipulate people, but it's very simple.
01:11:52.000When they say whiteness, and they say blackness, and they say black and brown, there's no argument that they're not talking about white people.
01:12:35.000I think one of I think one of the ways it's obvious that it's about power more than anything is the way that they just took everything about America.
01:14:15.000It was removed because Thomas Jefferson, because the Founding Fathers knew they needed the support of South Carolina and Georgia if there was going to be an actual fight for independence.
01:14:24.000They thought they were gonna lose anyway.
01:14:26.000I think it's really sad that he didn't include that.
01:14:28.000And I also say, a bit hypocritical of the guy, because on his deathbed, he didn't free any of his slaves, and he had a ton.
01:14:33.000So the point is, Bro, there are a lot of people who came out and were saying, like, they were offended that people had criticized the founding documents.
01:14:43.000NPR said the founding documents had flaws.
01:15:44.000And even like five or six years ago, don't use today's rules and beliefs to blame people for things they said on the internet eight years ago.
01:15:52.000Like Cenk Uygur screaming the N-word 10 years ago.
01:15:57.000I mean, George Carlin, Andrew Dice Clay, these guys would be, their families would be canceled if we held them to today's standards.
01:16:04.000I don't know how the Young Turks still exist.
01:16:06.000The name of their program is effectively the Hitler Youth.
01:16:09.000Dude, I was just reading about the Armenian genocide during World War I.
01:16:13.000The Ottoman Empire had this group called the Young Turks that basically took all these Armenians and marched them south, and 1.6 million Armenians died, and they still to this day say that wasn't a genocide.
01:16:25.000If there's any good example of grifting, I think it's definitely the Young Turks.
01:17:10.000I gotta say, you look back at the history of the Young Turks, the things Cenk Uygur has said about women, he got cancelled from the Justice Democrats over it, the videos of him talking about women and their junk and insulting, the things he's said, I actually don't care.
01:17:25.000He's allowed to have his opinions and oftentimes he was joking, but he's dropped racial slurs repeatedly.
01:17:30.000The name of their show is effectively the Hitler Youth.
01:17:33.000Yet they just don't care. They don't care. So when he comes out and he's like,
01:17:36.000these are unfounded accusations against us, I'm like, bro, you literally work for a company that's
01:17:41.000like, effectively praising genocide. You know, like you've named yourself after a group that
01:17:46.000committed a genocide. I don't think you're serious when you're talking about reform
01:17:51.000and how people change because you didn't. Well, I don't know.
01:17:55.000I mean, he has a little... I don't hear him screaming the N-word anymore, but... Anyway, my original point, I guess, is just don't... We're not... I'm not... Whatever.
01:19:56.000I want to ask Cenk about 2016 when Hillary's emails came out and it showed that they were like pushing Bernie Sanders out of the race.
01:20:03.000Because that was when I saw Cenk, like, something snapped in his brain and he became almost sociopathic, like, having a hard time accepting the DNC.
01:20:11.000I mean, I know he knows that there's corruption at DNC, but I want to just go deep on his brain about that.
01:20:39.000That's interesting perspective on the Overton window for them.
01:20:43.000The Overton window for them has moved dramatically to now where even these guys that are leftists, who used to make jokes all the time about language and be what we would consider non-politically correct today, now the Overton window has shifted so far that they have to disavow their entire back catalog and just adopt a whole new system of language and thought in order to stay acceptable.
01:21:07.000That's what you get when you're trying to stay inside the Overton window.
01:22:13.000I love it when I get that one because basically it just means somebody on the far right doesn't like the fact that I'm boxing them out and saying, no, we don't really want you over here.
01:22:53.000You've allowed yourself to become what seems like, you know, safe.
01:22:58.000But then when they let you into the city, they realize you were there to I mean, I kind of feel like that's what I'm trying to do now.
01:23:04.000I've reached such a bigger audience, a more mainstream audience that I can drop like red pill stuff from 10 years ago.
01:23:11.000And it's like just old hat stuff that we got so tired of even talking about that now I'm in an audience now where it's like fresh news to people.
01:23:23.000We were talking about 2010, and now the mainstream is actually ready for that in 2021, because all the things that we said were happening at that time back in 2010, all the crazy feminist conspiracies and all that, it's all come true!
01:23:37.000I got something to say to the Young Turks.
01:23:40.000You know, Cenk said, he called Jimmy Dore a monster.
01:23:42.000He said, let's fight, that's what he said.
01:23:44.000So I saw Cenk Uygur at Politicon a couple years ago.
01:23:48.000And they had published, they did a video about this fake bit of research claiming that there was, it's called the Alternative Influencer Network.
01:24:57.000If Dave Rubin, Jimmy Dore, Tim Pool, Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracy, Aaron Matei are all changing around you, maybe it's you who need to check your boots.
01:25:05.000Maybe you're surrounded by sycophants.
01:25:07.000Who are just blowing smoke up your ass and telling you what you want to hear.
01:25:11.000And the people who leave your presence all of a sudden are like, yo, you're nuts.
01:25:15.000Jimmy Dore leaves the Young Turks and all of a sudden he's like, here's what's happening.
01:26:57.000My opinion changed quite a bit you know talking to Michael Malice and people like Libertarians are tweeting at him like you you got Tim good job because I was like abolish the police Bro, I'm like watching cops confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens to uphold yeah, I'm watching these ridiculous laws.
01:27:11.000I'm watching the Capitol Police So, dude, you're the one that they were referencing when they said that the right was claiming that they needed to defund the police.
01:27:20.000When the press secretary gets up there and she's like, it's been the Republicans and the conservatives trying to defund the police this entire time.
01:28:29.000Or do you think that once they get the 600 people, they're going to say, now we're going to go after those who provided material to support to these people?
01:28:35.000No, dude, we have a very extreme, hardcore, concrete, bulletproof example of the way the government, once they set up these kind of things, they shut them down in due time, right?
01:28:45.000They did this thing in Cuba, it's Guantanamo Bay.
01:28:48.000They set it up right after 9-11, they put prisoners in there, they closed it down as soon as they were done, and then that was it.
01:29:39.000And then when they actually talk to a guy like Omar Mateen and they know that he wants to go around killing people, they're just going to let him go, because that's actually not what they're really after.
01:30:11.000He scoped out that nightclub, murdered the people in there, and then they retrofitted it to be like a gay tech.
01:30:16.000I can't remember who it was, but someone said that they said the United States needed some kind of 9-11-like attack, in their opinions as a Republican, to remind people why we have the security state.
01:30:32.000They were like, it's almost like we just need it to happen so that people remember exactly what, you know, we're fighting for whatever, something like that.
01:30:38.000I mean, look, it's funny, like we've been on top of this for a long time.
01:30:42.000We've been, you know, I and have you talked to Cash?
01:30:44.000I talked to Cash Patel also was on the National Security Council, head of counterterrorism.
01:32:23.000I wouldn't be surprised if these Capitol Police officers pop up all over the country, they arrest people for these communications, they go on forums like, you know, Patriots.win, which used to be The Donald, and they'll say like, who wants to go commit this act?
01:32:35.000And then people will say something and then they'll arrest them, then they'll make some small stupid tweet into a massive indictment, and the news will be like, extremists were talking about doing X, Y, and Z. The FBI will say, who wants to do X, Y, and Z?
01:32:48.000And some guy will be like, sounds cool.
01:32:50.000They'll arrest the guy and say he was advocating for this, that, and this.
01:34:30.000But the general idea is... Perhaps you can say right now we're not in a golden age because of the conflicts we've seen with China and Russia and international disputes and everything like that.
01:34:39.000But this country only... For recently... I mean, we're now entering the fourth turning.
01:35:09.000But you could do that during a golden age.
01:35:10.000Some countries thrive during war in a golden age, like ancient Persia was really in the game.
01:35:15.000They're extremely, they can move farther.
01:35:17.000No, I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the actual historical understanding of a golden age.
01:35:19.000The metaphor is you can enter a golden age during war, during a wartime period, and if you do, you're gonna be much better equipped to win the war.
01:35:26.000Alright, so what you're basically saying is that we're all the individual pieces of Voltron?
01:35:30.000Yes, and we have formed to create Voltron.
01:35:33.000And we need to come together as Voltron.
01:37:03.000No, you don't have a yellow beanie, but it's just different enough.
01:37:07.000You can't look at a guy with a beanie and be like, it's simple.
01:37:09.000So it's basically a picture of two bureaucrats saying to freedom and then there's this crazy guy with a beanie on saying of shooting and he's got an AR and a pistol and he's like dancing around all crazy looking in a t-shirt like Tim wear.
01:37:20.000I mean, it's just very... He doesn't wear a t-shirt like I'm wearing, dude.
01:37:23.000I know, it's slightly different than Tim.
01:37:24.000You're like, a guy wearing a t-shirt and a beanie is Tim.
01:38:01.000Yeah, I remember one time, me and Jack were walking down the street, and Jack was wearing a beanie, and I wasn't, and someone was like, yo, you're Tim Pool to Jack.
01:38:08.000My millennial wife just sent me a text.
01:38:09.000And then I was like actually I'm like oh, I do is wearing a beanie so I just assumed
01:38:13.000My my millennial wife just sent me a text. She goes WTF is a Voltron
01:38:17.000All right, let's read these super chats Hayden says, closing on my 40 acres of raw forest in the mountains.
01:38:27.000Want to build a small, close-knit community.
01:38:29.000Do you guys have any tips for getting started?
01:38:31.000All trees and large rocks, but has natural springs and a power line on the corner of the property.
01:39:23.000We even have a whole collection of people in Eastern Tennessee that have been coming together.
01:39:27.000And we had a guy, we had a guy join the LO, find land in Tennessee, find a cattle rancher to get his cattle, find the guys in the LO that come and did a fence raising and a penning in one day on his entire property, just like the Amish would come raise your barn and build it all in one day.
01:39:53.000All right, Hayden says, I'm also going to be starting a YouTube channel, too, and documenting the process of buying land in the building and setup that's going to take place, as well as drinking beer at the swimming holes at the end of the day.
01:41:08.000We designed our classrooms and told our teachers and our students to expect to be observed at any time.
01:41:16.000We put big window panes, huge picture windows outside the classroom so that anybody could observe.
01:41:23.000They were told to expect anybody walking in at any time to observe them at any time.
01:41:27.000Parents, administrator, local official, prospective parent, anybody.
01:41:33.000Anyone who pushes back and says that education cannot be filmed or broadcast or recorded or observed at any time is trying to manipulate your children.
01:42:47.000Yeah, one guy said in the bonus segment that he would give up all of this dating stuff and being a high value male if it would bring back the traditional family.
01:42:55.000The other guy said, nah, nah, he likes where he's at.
01:43:10.000But you don't have to be a victim as a man.
01:43:13.000If you want a family, there are women out there that want a family too.
01:43:17.000And the number one way to protect yourself against divorce, rape, and losing your assets, and losing your kids, and all that thing, is to be the best man that you can possibly be.
01:43:26.000And until you are the best man that you can possibly be, all this other crap is just whistling bull crap.
01:44:20.000It is the saddest thing that we're seeing now.
01:44:22.000We're going to all these towns all across the Mid-Atlantic and the South, from New York all the way down to Georgia.
01:44:28.000And every time that we've been like going to a new city and we're looking up the top 10 restaurants, we go to five of the top 10, all closed.
01:45:06.000You should listen to all my content, Jack Murphy Live on YouTube.
01:45:09.000Spencer Clavin does a great job of talking about masculinity from his particular perspective.
01:45:17.000I'm releasing in conjunction with Michael Millerman, the renowned philosopher, a seven-part lecture series on masculinity through philosophy from the ancients all the way through to current times.
01:45:51.000Whenever I read stories and it's like protesters, I go, nope, rioters.
01:45:55.000So the challenge is, of course, Trying to stay on top of every single rider and every single framing is not going to be super easy, but I will absolutely convey that with our relatively small team.
01:46:30.000So if you have a hundred people holding hands and singing songs, you're protesting, they're protesting.
01:46:34.000If ten of them start throwing bricks and bottles and explosives, I would not call it a protest anymore, I would call it a riot.
01:46:39.000Because those people who are there have every option to either leave or stop those people from doing it, but they don't.
01:46:43.000But what if they're, like, protesting a crackdown, authoritarian military crackdown, and they're, like, trying to blow up, you know, authoritarian machines?
01:46:58.000Yeah, don't leave out that it's a riot.
01:46:59.000The problem is that at any one moment in Washington, D.C.
01:47:02.000during the summer last year, there were peaceful protesters, there were bystanders, there were observers, and there were rioters, and they were all in the same place.
01:47:10.000Yeah, riots are not a peaceful protest, that's for sure.
01:47:13.000That's why I'm saying, like, figuring out the framing isn't easy, but if you have a hundred people who are all wearing shirts saying, Trump bad, and they're holding hands and singing, they're protesting.
01:50:49.000Oh, I thought it was just a whole joke, a whole just bit that he just put put Trump up and like ask the question and just use soundbites or whatever.
01:52:12.000And it's like, these people seem to think that YouTube is not sitting there with their finger over the band button saying, I want to effing destroy these people.
01:52:19.000I thought we were flying under the radar, but we're not.
01:56:06.000Got an email back, it was like, we're sorry we can't help you, it's just, we don't have the apparatus, like, there's no structure at Facebook for actually dealing with this.
01:56:12.000You'll have to go through the automated system.
01:56:14.000They were basically saying the clips we were uploading, which only appear on Facebook in that format, were unoriginal.
01:56:21.000Is that because... Even though it's like your face speaking words out of your brain?
01:58:49.000Do they think that people who are willing to work 100 plus hours a week or whatever are only succeeding because they've chosen to talk politics?
01:58:58.000If I was going to work this hard and really want to make money, why wouldn't I just say whatever Amazon wanted me to say?
01:59:05.000You specifically are playing on elite, advanced, double, extra plus.
01:59:09.000Expert level when you really could just do it much easier All you have to do is sell stuff that just makes you like get get laid more get paid more Just focus on that.
01:59:19.000That's how you make money in the man space.
01:59:21.000That's for sure Well, I don't think they're awful.
01:59:53.000All of a sudden now we're confronted with a mainstream establishment left saying, say the opposite of everything you just said, or we'll throw you out.
02:00:02.000And I see it in Cenk because he's on TV so much talking as you can see like his own, like he's twisted and it's not his fault, but he's been twisted by the media.
02:00:30.000them they maintain their principles and they started calling out the problems
02:00:33.000but jank is is trapped under the boot of a corporation with investors with
02:00:37.000demands and so he's sitting there like slowly drifting away like
02:00:40.000i have to say these crazy things wow and think about how angry you would be
02:00:43.000imagine this jack if imagine if someone came to you and said
02:00:49.000literally everything you've done everything you've built will be stripped
02:00:52.000and taken away from you well Harm will come to your family.
02:00:55.000You have to say what we want you to say.
02:00:57.000So, depending on, you know, you're standing there, like, feeling the intense pressure of being forced to say something you know is not true.
02:01:05.000Cenk isn't strong enough to say no to it.
02:01:06.000Well, since I've already been in that exact situation before and elected to say exactly what I thought was on my mind, let the chips fall where they may, I can't relate to Cenk being a little bitch in that regard.
02:01:17.000Yeah, because they'll, they'll say, say these and then you'll be like, I don't want to do it.
02:02:02.000So there are people with principles like Jimmy Dore who will be like, here's what I believe.
02:02:06.000And then when the left goes nuts or the Democrats go nuts, he'll be like, screw that.
02:02:10.000There are people like Glenn Greenwald, who are principled.
02:02:13.000Now, my criticism of Glenn Greenwald in the past is that he's activist-y and he is more political than, you know, like 10 years ago I said, this guy, he's coming out, he's publishing these things, but he's always been an opinion guy.
02:03:07.000No one knows that he's being coerced to say things?
02:03:10.000I'm saying, in my opinion, the fact that he is towing the line for the establishment while pretending to be a progressive... Seems so weird.
02:03:24.000I would say that too, like, there are legitimate left personalities who are like, I won't go on the show because I will get attacked for it.
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