On today's show, we have a special guest, Mike Cernovich, host of the conservative website, "The Alt-Right" and founder of the website, The Daily Wire. We talk about how he got started in the media world, why he started the website and much more!
00:01:23.000He has a segment where he sent some, I guess you can call them investigative journalists.
00:01:29.000To look into voter addresses that were in a database and turns out there are a bunch of parking lots.
00:01:35.000He had them hold up a newspaper from this week and Crowder is saying he can prove, this is what Crowder is saying, that many of these addresses in these databases don't actually exist.
00:02:13.000He'll be back, and he'll probably have a ton to say, but we're going to talk about what he found, and I'm sure many of you saw his segment from the morning, so I think there's a lot to talk about in this regard, and what happened with the Supreme Court, because Clarence Thomas basically dropped a hammer saying, it looks like there was a good argument from these Republicans in Pennsylvania about mail-in voting.
00:03:30.000Yeah, you gotta find the rhythm with the other person or else they'll... Well, how would you describe yourself for those that might not be familiar with you?
00:03:37.000You know, at this point, I don't even know, man.
00:03:38.000I just hang out with my kids all the time now, but I'm still sort of an entity that exists that can get attention and move the needle on certain things.
00:03:47.000But I started off primarily doing mindset work, guerrilla mindset.
00:03:51.000pull up a little bit yeah yeah I primarily started off doing mindset work
00:03:54.000gorilla mindset start off as a lawyer that rain into you the first time at the
00:04:18.000Yeah, we got that great video of the person burning a flag and then somebody went to kick the flag out and then it got caught in a woman's dress, actually.
00:04:47.000and then you're like a movie but I mean hey I was in your movie you guys are the best parts yeah Bilderberg yeah Luke Bilderberg so you guys are it's weird cuz I'm the oldest guy but you guys are like ancient in terms of having been around much longer in this world I was like, wait, that was Luke at Bilderberg in, I don't know, 2012 or something.
00:05:11.000I think it's interesting how you gained a lot of prominence as one of the highest profile Trump supporters, but then you started calling out.
00:05:16.000It's going to be interesting as we get into, you know, talking about Crowder and stuff.
00:05:19.000You started talking about how, like, it's over, basically.
00:05:22.000You're like, these people are duping you who are claiming that there's going to be some magic turnaround.
00:05:26.000A lot of Trump supporters were mad, but you were right.
00:05:29.000Yeah, because I came from, you know, like a law background, law school.
00:05:33.000I knew all the Federalist Society people.
00:05:35.000I know how elite people kind of think.
00:05:37.000I was actually chapter president in law school for my own society.
00:05:40.000So I've done all these little things, met all the right people, the white shoe people.
00:05:44.000And I'm just like, this is not the way the world works.
00:05:47.000And people get mad because one thing Trump did that was amazing is he brought out what they call low propensity voters, but people who don't actually vote.
00:05:56.000So they come in and they want to like tell me things and I'm like, what you're telling me is wrong.
00:06:01.000Everything you're telling me is wrong.
00:06:03.000Everything from how the Supreme Court operates to how the Supreme Court, because if you talk about the Clarence Thomas dissent from denial of certiorari, the idea is the Supreme Court is an institution that makes political decisions.
00:06:15.000It isn't just a bunch of judges looking up the law and making these choices.
00:06:19.000They're saying, well, after January 6th, do you want to risk the legitimacy of the court to side with Trump who Right.
00:07:17.000Versus, hey, get rah-rah, get hyped up, get motivated, because the genre of self-help or self-development is largely YouTube videos of a guy saying, and then he dragged me into the water and was gonna drown me and said, but you want success so much that you're gonna drown, then you really want it in your heart.
00:07:36.000And I thought, that's just kind of dumb.
00:07:38.000You're sitting around watching YouTube videos all day.
00:07:40.000What's an actual specific a step-by-step program that you can take and apply.
00:07:45.000And it's largely written for introverts.
00:07:47.000There's a lot of stuff there about self-talk, a lot of there about rewiring memories in your mind, rewiring your thought processes.
00:07:54.000So it's about going deep into yourself on a mindset level.
00:07:58.000And that one I did in, that came out in 2015.
00:08:01.000Where's the best place people can get these?
00:09:20.000One of them that was really interesting was that they're holding up a newspaper and they show an empty parking lot and apparently there was supposed to be an apartment number 409.
00:09:47.000I wouldn't need to actually check the addresses because, I gotta be honest, I'm just seeing Crowder's video, but I don't think he'd go and he'd make this up.
00:09:53.000The crazy thing is, Crowder did not say, he actually clarified this very, very clearly, that he's not saying this is evidence of any, you know, bigger scheme or anything like that, just that they found evidence of addresses that don't exist.
00:11:28.000And I hate doing that because Trump supporters are so attacked on every side.
00:11:32.000The last thing I want to do is shoot inside the bunker.
00:11:35.000But I don't want people to believe things that are wrong.
00:11:38.000And the problem here, to tie you to that point with Crowder, there was a guy, you guys would know his name, I forget it right now, but he went through and did an analysis like this of nursing homes, halfway houses, other areas, and by the way, I'm not making any claims.
00:11:53.000But it showed like, oh wow, so there's a hundred votes came out of here.
00:11:56.000Some of them are supposedly mail drops.
00:11:58.000There were a lot of things that you could look at, like Crowder looked at, but instead everybody now thinks the narrative is that a few goofballs on the internet, or in the case of Mike Lindell, a successful entrepreneur who believes what he said, which as a lawyer makes that a really interesting case because usually, as you know, To sue someone for defamation, you have to show actual malice.
00:12:20.000Malice doesn't mean that you didn't like the person.
00:12:22.000Malice means that you didn't actually believe what you were saying.
00:12:25.000Or you entertained doubts about what you were saying.
00:12:28.000That Michael Lindell knew what he was saying was false.
00:12:34.000I can't wait to see you guys in court.
00:12:36.000So as a lawyer, this is actually a newer area of law, like how do you actually get him for defamation?
00:12:42.000But the problem is that became the whole narrative of it where now Mark Elias and other people say, oh, the Trump people filed a hundred lawsuits.
00:12:50.000This is proof there was nothing there.
00:12:51.000And it's like, no, they filed like a couple.
00:12:54.000One of them was the Pennsylvania one that didn't get heard.
00:12:57.000And when you look at the issues that they tried to resolve, they were quite interesting.
00:13:01.000Or if you look at the evidence that was presented that Crowder is presenting, it's quite interesting.
00:13:06.000It's the kind of thing that makes you go, hmm, maybe you should think about, but that's been completely hidden in the squid ink of this Dominion stuff and all the weird conspiracy.
00:13:16.000I rarely call someone a conspiracy theory, but there's no other word for that kind of stuff.
00:13:20.000If I had to have a conspiracy, it would be that the conspiracies are the conspiracy to derail the actual conspiracy.
00:13:31.000No, but I actually vacillate between, because there's some people that are so, they lead people down such a bad path that you think in life, you get lucky.
00:13:42.000You're going to have some wins and you're just a loss after loss after loss.
00:13:45.000So I'm a little COINTELPRO conspiracy oriented to where I do think a lot of people do set you up.
00:13:51.000Well, you don't need to have a conspiracy here.
00:13:52.000We have Cass Sunstein, Obama's information czar, that literally wrote the playbook on disinformation, and he talked about creating fake conspiracies to make anyone questioning government look insane.
00:14:03.000And he did this specifically with a lot of family members and rescue workers in New York City after the 2001 events.
00:14:09.000He wrote it in his own bylines, in his own published paper.
00:14:19.000It was published in one of scientific journals that he wrote about how to combat and fight disinformation and one of his ways was infiltrating groups in real life and online and making them look crazy.
00:14:32.000And that's what I kept complaining about when these people come out with these really absurd conspiracies about like C.I.A.
00:14:38.000agents storming German servers and then like Italy and whatever.
00:15:36.000And that's basically what we got with Clarence Thomas, in his dissent.
00:15:39.000He said, we failed to, you know, Right, and that was a legitimate legal issue.
00:15:53.000That was a legitimate case that should have been heard.
00:15:55.000But the Supreme Court justices, I think Kavanaugh and Barrett, I think they would have heard it had January 6th not happened.
00:16:03.000And moreover, had there not been all of these, the Linwood stuff and all this other things that people brought up, you don't want to be caught up in that net of, here's all the kooks and the kooks are in the net, and now you're a Supreme Court justice and you're in the net with them.
00:16:18.000I hear you, but man, talk about cowards.
00:16:23.000Okay, well, I'll make the case for them, then.
00:16:24.000I'll make the case for John Roberts as an institutionalist.
00:16:28.000The way that John Roberts would say it, if you were being candid, is that this is how you learn it in federal courts and law school, and the Supreme Court is a co-equal branch of government, just like the Congress and just like the executive branch.
00:16:42.000They had to fight and scrape for all their legitimacy and all their power.
00:16:45.000The Supreme Court was not powerful at all, actually, before the Warren Court in the 1950s.
00:16:57.000So if you're going to enter an area where there's such a narrative that's already set so strongly, as there is now with this election stuff, then you're attacking or you're going to make the institution weaker by doing it.
00:17:10.000Now, you would come back and say why you don't agree with that, and I would agree with you.
00:17:15.000But that would be what John Roberts would argue.
00:17:17.000So when people talk about John Roberts, a lot of conservatives, people especially, he's an institutionalist.
00:17:23.000So fundamentally, even Comey was the same way.
00:17:26.000Comey was way worse, crooked, so maybe not the right example.
00:17:31.000The idea is you protect the institution, the institution of the Supreme Court.
00:17:34.000That means you have to pick your battles.
00:17:36.000And if you're going through the calculus, you're thinking, yeah, you know, do we really want to get involved in all this stuff when there's talk of insurrection?
00:17:42.000It could be that it's a fight they knew they weren't going to win anyway, so they said it was moot.
00:17:47.000And some people call it a cop-out, which is a fair point.
00:17:50.000Other people will say that you have to protect the soft power of the Supreme Court.
00:17:54.000And there's a fair point to that, because a lot of our institutions have lost soft power.
00:17:59.000When you say that he would fear that it's going to weaken the institution, is that that it will weaken the perception of the institution through the media?
00:18:05.000Well, yeah, through the collective hive mind.
00:18:08.000So the idea is that the Supreme Court can't cut anyone's budget.
00:18:12.000But Congress, if they wanted to, could cut the law clerk budget.
00:18:15.000There's all these different ways that they could mess with them.
00:18:18.000The Supreme Court, if they want to have an order in force, they can't have the FBI kick down the door and take power.
00:18:33.000After Bush vs. Gore, you got to remember, if we hadn't had 9-11, Bush vs. Gore would have been four years of Bush being the orange man.
00:18:41.000The institution of the court, the soft power of the court, had declined significantly because it was a close opinion on partisan lines, and it was a little dodgy even by my assessment of it.
00:18:52.000So you had a loss of institutional power, a loss of soft power, the idea that this is the Supreme Court, this is an edict, you should follow it because Ultimately, if the Supreme Court issues a ruling that an executive officer doesn't like, the president could just say, well, who cares, right?
00:19:08.000There was a, I believe it was Andrew Jackson, who said the Supreme Court has issued their ruling, now let them enforce it.
00:19:13.000That, all that historical background is swirling around.
00:19:40.000Well, by hard power I mean they can actually do things to you, like you don't have a budget, the lights aren't going to work, they can pass laws making something a crime, they have an enforcement mechanism, whereas even the media, to put a different example, the media has no hard power, it's soft power.
00:19:55.000As more people just say, we don't really care.
00:19:57.000As Elon Musk tells the Washington Post, I don't care, I'm not going to answer your articles.
00:20:01.000And as more people say, we like Elon, we don't like the media, who cares?
00:20:05.000The media doesn't have any power anymore, right?
00:20:07.000The power is only in that ability to shape public opinion, the ability that, oh, this is in the New York Times, this must be matter, this must be true, this is how we're going to live our lives.
00:20:15.000So that's the Supreme Court, even though it's a branch of government.
00:20:18.000Elon's response was pretty telling today because the Washington Post quoted him as saying, quote, give my regards to your puppet masters when they asked him for an interview.
00:20:27.000So he didn't just like shun them away.
00:20:30.000He made sure to send them a message, especially to the Washington Post, which is being seen more of an institutional establishment kind of paper of record for the intelligence agencies.
00:20:57.000So here's what I mean by that is it used to be that a hit piece would actually kind of damage you, right?
00:21:03.000You got hit, you got written about it, said bad things.
00:21:05.000People say, Ooh, I don't know if I want to talk to that person to be around that person.
00:21:08.000And then it changed the point where I don't even respond.
00:21:11.000Only kind of boomers like Jordan Peterson respond to hit pieces.
00:21:14.000Oh, read this mean thing they said about me.
00:21:16.000Everybody else knows your people aren't even gonna read it.
00:21:18.00099 of them aren't even gonna read it, first of all.
00:21:21.000The ones who do read it aren't even gonna believe it.
00:21:23.000So even if the media writes something about you critical that's true, Your own followers are gonna say, oh, they probably just made the whole thing up, the whole thing's fake.
00:21:30.000That's a change, though, and that's what I mean by the soft power, the ability to shape narrative, the ability to shape public perception.
00:21:36.000I gotta be honest, if that's, I hear what you're saying, and I understand it, and that sounds to me like the Supreme Court is a bunch of cowards, they're weak, they're pathetic, they have no real power anyway, and it sounds like you've got these three branches of government where they pretend the Supreme Court is co-equal, when in reality, they're like the loser kids in the corner of the playground And their only claim to power, they're like that little kid in recess who would suck up to the teacher, is just crossing their fingers and hoping you listen to them.
00:22:04.000If they're not actually going to stand up for anything, then what's the point of having it in the first place?
00:22:07.000Well, they would say that they're just a check on government and that checks should be used in exceptional circumstances and under limited circumstances.
00:22:28.000The other rule, or rather the other view of the court is a more conservative one, jurisprudentially, not necessarily politically, which is that the Supreme Court shouldn't get involved in this kind of stuff.
00:23:13.000We're not the one who's supposed to exercise this power.
00:23:17.000If that were the case, and it sounds like it is, then that means serious trouble for this country.
00:23:23.000It means there's no resolution to serious disputes.
00:23:26.000It means that the conflict that has been escalating over the past several years will have no resolution.
00:23:30.000Your hope is that this council of legal experts and elders can step in and say, we've heard the arguments and we will now be the tiebreaker, the referee in this one.
00:23:41.000Instead, they said, you've complained.
00:23:43.000You've actually brought up some interesting arguments.
00:23:54.000I'm just going to do new ones that don't apply to this specific one.
00:23:57.000So, you know, seeing Andrew Cuomo do this really kind of signals that the Supreme Court is not going to be your savior, like many people expect them to be.
00:24:04.000I think the Supreme Court is like a lens that's focusing the law for the American people to see clearly.
00:24:09.000And it's up to us as the people to enforce what they can kind of show us.
00:24:14.000But that's all they really do is pass through ideas.
00:24:18.000Well, I would say this though, as critical as I might be the Supreme Court or federal judges, especially in federal courts, I would trust a federal judge.
00:24:27.000If I had to choose some kind of like gambit, do you trust this random member of Congress with your rights?
00:24:32.000Do you trust the president with your rights?
00:25:10.000We live in a childish world where every adult's gonna be like, yeah, this is bad.
00:25:13.000You know, you need to suss out who is doing what.
00:25:16.000But we have to, we're supposed to basically pretend, which I say we ought, we live in like the age of pretend, which is, oh my, that was a 9-11.
00:25:24.000Holy cow event so it's this fake emotion and the Supreme Court they're sensitive to that the idea that it's 9-11
00:25:31.000But in a way it's worse than 9-11 because the 9-11 terrorists all got pro-bono legal representation by the
00:25:37.000most elite lawyers in the country Yeah, none of those elite lawyers are gonna do anything for
00:25:41.000these Trump supporters these MAGA moms outside of that people who have been detained in
00:25:45.000Guantanamo Bay will get these very high prestigious pro, you know pro bono lawyers
00:25:51.000But you get Bernice from Oklahoma who's being charged with two misdemeanors for trespass, and a lot of them are, and the lawyer's like, I'm not going anywhere near that.
00:26:02.000And what's worse about that is they're being held This is the thing where, if you're a lawyer, you're, like, screaming on the inside, because... In federal courts, a little different than state, there's something called the Federal Sentencing Guidelines, and it varies, like, mathematical.
00:26:17.000What did you actually do when you get your, like, time?
00:26:20.000Most of the indictments I've read are Bernice, some MAGA grandma, you know, read some weird thing on the internet, showed up, didn't know there was a riot, because she's just following the crowd, walks in, oh, hi, everybody!
00:26:33.000And she's just smiling and thinks nothing happened.
00:26:42.000So they're actually going to do more time pre-trial as opposed to the opposite because you're presumed innocent.
00:26:47.000This is the scary thing about what we're seeing, right?
00:26:49.000So there's some other stories we can maybe get into a little bit, like the FBI seizing congressional phone records saying that members of Congress are now suspects.
00:26:56.000You've got Naomi Wolf, she recently went on Tucker Carlson saying totalitarianism is here, and we'll jump into those and get into those in fuller detail in just a second.
00:27:04.000But what's scary is The Democrats will not stop.
00:27:42.000Well, it's extremism because it happened at night, but it's terror because it was during the day or something like that?
00:27:47.000I understand going after... Going after, like, the Electoral College vote count is very, very serious.
00:27:54.000But don't you think burning down buildings and destroying cities and what the 19 plus dead directly from the riots as well as the chas where they pumped for 10 minutes hundreds of rounds into an SUV with two teenagers in it.
00:28:07.000These people shouldn't many of them be facing jail time as well.
00:28:11.000Well, but that's a quaint view of American equality, right?
00:28:16.000Will Chamberlain talks about how the media, these people in DC, they're like the patrician class and we're kind of like the peasant class.
00:28:24.000I call it the new Jim Crow, which is a little absurd given, you know, what had happened there, but, you know, it all starts a little bit early.
00:28:29.000The idea is like, I know that I'm a second class citizen.
00:28:42.000So when you understand that if you're perceived as conservative or right wing, you are not a human being to these people.
00:28:48.000Then, they don't care if your building's burned down.
00:28:50.000They care that their capital building, which is, by the way, taxpayer-funded.
00:28:53.000As an American, I'm way more outraged that some mom can't feed her kids because her business was built down than they care that some, like, taxpayer-funded building is gonna have to be repaired.
00:29:17.000These... now, I mean, granted, we're seeing this really hilarious thing with the New York Times and Slate, you know, personalities are getting fired.
00:29:24.000They're losing that protection as well.
00:29:26.000So I will say there is some optimism in that regard that they're eating themselves faster and faster to the point where they might just not be whatever it is they're doing.
00:29:34.000The establishment media, the soft power, will be going away.
00:29:37.000Well, if all you do is hypocrisy, then yeah, you're like, that's a conservative cliche.
00:29:41.000There's that meme, here lies conservatism.
00:29:44.000Then the headstone says something like, imagine if it were a Democrat.
00:30:08.000And sometimes all you can do, as a second-class citizen, as somebody who's essentially without institutional power, you can just annoy these people a little bit.
00:30:17.000And then you have, you know, an instance like Chris Pomo, where he melts down on a guy, threatens to throw a guy down the stairs, and, you know, is completely losing it.
00:30:27.000That's sometimes all you can do, and I think that's worth doing.
00:30:30.000But for someone like you, or other people like Ben Shapiro, or you, Luke, or just anybody with a big platform, when that's all I see in your time, I'm like, oh my god.
00:30:38.000Go do something, especially when people have money.
00:30:42.000Like when it's Trump campaign people, it's like, okay, you guys raised $250 million post-election to investigate whatever you're going to investigate.
00:30:50.000Why don't you take, I mean, you know what it costs.
00:30:53.000Take $25 million and you could hire a full army of investigative reporters.
00:31:22.000and hire eight, nine, ten reporters. I mean, you don't got to give them a six figures,
00:31:27.000hire 20 and give them all 40 something thousand a year and people will do it.
00:31:30.000Right now people have lost their jobs. You can find people to do this, but you're right,
00:31:34.000they had $250 million. I don't think they actually really cared. More importantly,
00:31:37.000I think Trump cared, but people around him certainly did not and weren't there to help
00:31:42.000him. They were there to extract as much as they could from him. And well, he fell for it.
00:31:47.000I mean, he fell for it, but moreover, the problem that I had is like the donors fell for it.
00:31:53.000I'm always like, demand more of your leaders.
00:31:55.000I think that's why, again, I differ from a lot of Trump people is, the idea is like, if you go to bed tonight and you wake up, you're not gonna be like, oh god, I just had Mike on my show and he's tweeting and bombs.
00:32:59.000Let's use that to jump into this next story, which I pulled up the best source imaginable for this.
00:33:04.000This is the Independent Women's Forum.
00:33:06.000They say feminist author and former Bill Clinton advisor Naomi Wolf warns of totalitarianism because of pandemic emergency rules.
00:33:15.000It's really interesting because Naomi Wolf voted for Joe Biden, then came out later saying if I had known he was in favor of lockdowns, I wouldn't have done it.
00:33:22.000The dude was screaming high heavens he was in favor of lockdowns.
00:35:53.000Even conservatives were overestimating.
00:35:56.000But the crazy thing you're referencing is, in one of the graphs, if you ask a very liberal person how many black men were killed by cops in 2019, 31% of very liberals will say about 1,000.
00:36:18.000And that's where, you know, this is probably where the mindset work comes in is a lot of persuasion or mindset is meeting people where they are.
00:36:28.000So I know that if I'm talking to a Biden person like Naomi Wolf, I'm meeting her where she is, which she believes that literally there's a thousand unarmed black people being killed and that's why they're so Because I'd be freaking out, too.
00:36:42.000If there were a thousand unarmed black people being killed a year in the country, I would be marching with them, too.
00:36:55.000There was actually a bit of that in the hoax movie, was ask how many people name one white guy who was killed.
00:37:02.000The best I can do is I think it was in San Bernardino.
00:37:04.000A homeless guy got beat to death and you could see the pictures of his face swollen up.
00:37:08.000But that's the closest that I can come.
00:37:10.000to finding the name right even though numerically you we should know at least as many but we really don't so when you look at the numbers You have a different perspective on how things are going, so you have to meet people where they are, and this is what they believe.
00:37:24.000So this could just be Naomi Wolf getting the red pill.
00:37:27.000Basically, she's been eating up mainstream media trash, and then something happened after the 7th where she saw some news that she trusted and said, wait a minute, what?
00:37:36.000And she finally woke up to what was really going on.
00:37:38.000Well, she's been anti-establishment for a while.
00:37:41.000She also said a lot of supportive things for the Second Amendment and told people to reconsider their thoughts on the left about Being able to defend yourself and bear arms.
00:38:23.000Every one of these politicians are doing everything in their power to destroy it because it constrains them.
00:38:27.000Then it sounds like they're not in our best interests.
00:38:29.000It's like over the past several hundred years, the people have had a giant shield, the Constitution, and every day a politician is just battering against it, trying to destroy it and justify their ability to do so.
00:38:42.000If we don't, I guess, I don't know the exact quote, if we don't defend the Constitution, then the Constitution will no longer defend us.
00:38:51.000It's just like multinational corporate bribes.
00:39:14.000Before, it was Donald Trump using what was it, the Homestead facility in southern Miami, and that was built under the Obama administration.
00:40:43.000Being in Mexico many times, you see all these wanted posters and all these missing children posters all over the public streets.
00:40:52.000And there's an epidemic of missing children in Mexico.
00:40:54.000That's a lot higher than a lot of people even understand.
00:40:57.000And covering the border crisis, specifically in Tijuana, there's been many stories of children being stolen so they could use it as a way to get across the border and to get sympathy.
00:41:07.000And there's this fake news being spread around that if you come across the border with a child that you're going to be allowed in, allowed through, without any problems, without any questions, as long as you have a child.
00:41:18.000It doesn't always 100% of the time happen, but it does happen and it does need to be addressed.
00:41:25.000And sadly, the child trafficking and kidnapping in Mexico deserves to be a lot of a bigger story than it actually is.
00:41:32.000I guess the main issue with everything we've been talking about is people... Look, you said it was establishment versus anti-establishment?
00:41:55.000Don't go into the weeds and look into everything yourself.
00:41:58.000It's like a full-time job, practically.
00:42:00.000That's why they attack YouTube and everything else.
00:42:03.000The idea that you're a working mom or a working dad and you come home after a long shift and you got three hours and you hope to see your kids before they go to bed.
00:42:12.000And you're going to say, oh, I wonder what really is going on with these overflow facilities.
00:42:15.000Oh, there was actually a ruling called the Flores decision.
00:42:17.000You can't have unaccompanied minors because human trafficking.
00:42:20.000And there was a report, actually, to your point, Luke, there was actually a report that showed that hundreds of children had been human trafficked and had been let go back to their traffickers.
00:42:52.000You're making people think that if you're a black guy and you leave your house, you might be hunted down by the police that day because thousands of people are being killed every day.
00:43:00.000You're creating Horrible, horrible mental state for people.
00:43:07.000And once you put that in someone's mindset, once you attract them, once you make them think that they're a victim, I mean, they're going to start acting like it.
00:43:14.000And your mindset is critically important.
00:43:17.000That's why, you know, you wrote your book this way.
00:43:19.000But another thing that kind of gave me hope recently, and I started my video today with this, it was a clip from the Australian Open.
00:43:25.000And it's a clip of a lady talking about how great the vaccine is, and we're all going to go back to normal because of the vaccine, and the crowd erupted.
00:43:42.000Luke, we are changing if you want to pull it up, but the video is eye-opening and mind-boggling to see so many people during the Australian Open just absolutely Boo!
00:43:50.000As loud as they can, this person trying to thank the government and the vaccine for bringing life back to normal.
00:43:56.000And it was something that literally awestruck me and made me really consider, like, hey, maybe people are far more awake than we understand.
00:44:03.000I don't know if you could play the full clip because of copyrights.
00:46:35.000I mean, the lesson of Corona, honestly, man, was, you know, you watch those movies, Independence Day, the world rallies together, competent people rise up.
00:46:46.000You have a kind of a solution to things.
00:48:09.000Wouldn't any regular person, like you described, Mike, who just wants to go home, spend some time with their kids, eventually be like, I can't take it anymore.
00:48:18.000You can't tell me what is going on or why, and you keep changing everything.
00:48:22.000At a certain point, you'd be like, there's no way you expect me to do both.
00:49:00.000But they don't actually respect fallacy.
00:49:02.000But you go to LA, you go to these deep blue areas, 30-year-old people, they're actually enforcing Imagine being a 30-year-old man, and you're yelling at someone to wear a mask.
00:49:15.000Or you're wearing a mask, and then you lift your mask up, take a bite of a cheeseburger, and then pull the mask down while you chew, and you're getting food bits all over your mask like some kind of moron.
00:49:24.000That's insane to me that they're doing that.
00:49:25.000You see evidence that COVID exists in ice cream and just let it go right past you because of your cognitive dissonance.
00:50:02.000So what I'm saying is, there are people who could, you could turn the TV on, and you have Anderson Cooper sitting there with his glasses, and he's like, Dr. Fauci, you say don't wear a mask, and Fauci goes, don't wear a mask, don't wear a mask, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, that was crazy.
00:50:16.000Then he comes out later saying to wear a mask.
00:50:19.000Then he comes out saying to, then don't wear to, then wear to, then the CDC says wear to.
00:50:23.000Wouldn't a regular person at some point just be like, I don't even know what I'm supposed to do anymore because they keep changing what I'm supposed to do?
00:50:30.000I guess that's what I've observed is that that's where the average kind of regular person is.
00:50:36.000And it's only the people who live in these information silos, the woke kids in Brooklyn.
00:50:42.000Because again, just as a meta point is, I remember when you're a 30 year old man, if you'd have told me to wear a mask, and I was probably more liberal when I was 30, I would say, what are you doing?
00:50:54.000I guess I will because you got to do what you got to do.
00:50:56.000Me being a man and yelling at another man when you're walking outside, walking your dog, you need to wear a mask, is another bigger problem.
00:51:05.000But if you look at just public sentiment, public sentiment is where you is.
00:51:11.000Have you seen that video where there's a woman, she's in a store, and there's a guy basically harassing her?
00:51:16.000And it reveals everything when he goes, does anybody else think it's messed up that she doesn't have to wear a mask but we do?
00:51:24.000Now you know what the guy was really mad about.
00:51:26.000He's mad that they got their boot on his neck, and he can't do anything about it, so he harasses some five foot tall woman who's not wearing a mask.
00:51:55.000If your message is credible, because most people can kind of observe the world.
00:51:59.000Like, even if you work, and you work hard, and people tell you, okay, man-made global warming is caused by carbon emissions, and you're like, okay.
00:52:05.000But wait, but you're flying a private jet.
00:52:09.000You're buying beachfront property, but wait a minute, you're going to be underwater here in Martha's Vineyard, and you just spent $15 million on your home.
00:52:14.000So there's such a disconnect between the messaging from the ruling elite, and how they actually live their lives, that more and more people are frustrated.
00:52:22.000Do you think these regular people who are kind of just like getting shocked out of the system because the media is full of it, do you think they're going to reject all this wokeness?
00:52:29.000Because it kind of feels like it's just sweeping over everything, the critical theory and all that stuff.
00:52:34.000Well that's why they're again trying to push it in an educational thing.
00:52:37.000That's why the media is pushing it so hard and having their little purges because You know, because we read media, even though we read it critically, we're gaslit.
00:53:30.000Pretty, you know... People are like, oh, Andrew Yang, universal income.
00:53:34.000I'm like, well, you can read a political article about me in 2017 where I was talking about universal basic income and my problem with that more was like the incentives it creates versus the idea That I think it's good to give poor people money, but that's far right.
00:53:48.000You can come out and publicly state ten left-wing positions, and then criticize critical race theory, and what will happen is on Wikipedia, people will say, hey, Mike Cernovich has a whole bunch of left-wing populist positions, and they'll say, well, he's not a good source, you can't use him as a reference, is there a credible article?
00:54:08.000And then you will tweet, critical race theory is a bad thing.
00:54:10.000And they will use it and say, well he said it, so it's what he believes, we better include it, he's a far-right, alt-right, whatever.
00:54:17.000What you say only matters if it's bad for you, if you're saying things against the cathedral.
00:54:22.000Well yeah, what the cathedral does though is, that again though is part of the gaslighting.
00:54:26.000So the gaslighting is that, if you're me and you believed the internet because you read the news, even though you know the news is a lie, you'd be like, oh man, people don't really like me.
00:54:35.000And then you're like, where are these people?
00:54:37.000You know, literally, where are these people?
00:56:37.000What the internet has done, let's say every city in the country,
00:56:41.000let's say there's 100 cities, and 60% of the people in these cities
00:56:47.000are regular middle-of-the-road people, and then 30% are more politically active,
00:56:52.000liberal or conservative, but still fairly normal.
00:56:54.000And then you have one person who's crazy extremist.
00:56:58.000That one person goes online and finds the one person in every other city and creates a network of a hundred people to harass you.
00:57:04.000You then start feeling like there's a large group coming after you, but when you go out these places, most people are like, oh yeah, I heard about you.
00:57:16.000I think the negativity gets shouted out because you feel it, you're angry, it's easy, you're motivated.
00:57:23.000But the love, it's important that you send that too.
00:57:26.000I've been on ayahuasca too many times.
00:57:31.000I've been confronted with all of the things, known and unknown, by God telling me this is what you need to work on.
00:57:38.000So then when people on the internet are nipping at me, it doesn't...
00:57:42.000On an emotional level, it just doesn't have any kind of impact.
00:57:46.000And I gotta say something too, like, there's no need to do that.
00:57:48.000I don't check my mentions, maybe like once or twice periodically, if I tweet something and it shows me the tweet and the thing, you know, messages come in.
00:57:54.000But I, why do I care about what like, you know, some anime cat girl on Twitter thinks about what I should do with my business?
00:58:01.000Like this person with 14 followers who says dumb things, I'm like, you're doing great for yourself.
00:58:05.000I think I'll take my own advice on this one.
00:58:07.000Well, what it does though is, Yeah, I guess to your point, it does gaslight you a little bit.
00:58:13.000Oh man, there's a lot of people on the internet being mean to me.
00:58:49.000It was a political thing that was like cultural and I thought it was more like a libertarian issue.
00:58:54.000It was something about freedom of free speech.
00:58:55.000You retweeted it and then some lefty started responding saying like, Look at all the people who are responding to you, all of these, you know, far right, whatever.
00:59:04.000And I was like, I said something like, uh, people retweet tweets.
00:59:09.000Like I don't, people follow whatever they want to follow.
00:59:12.000And they said, if you really did believe in freedom, then you would have left-wing people coming in here and commenting.
00:59:17.000And then all of a sudden there were like 50 to a hundred responses from people who follow me saying, Oh yeah, I'm a liberal.
00:59:44.000That's a good point that you're making here and I was going to add that to Ian.
00:59:47.000Also, just like negative comments hurt you, too many good comments hurt you as well because they build up your ego and this perception and this identity that you're perfect and you have no imperfections and that everything you do, your farts smell like roses no matter what you eat, no matter how many Taco Bells you go to, it doesn't matter.
01:00:04.000But I think for the most part, the internet is a negative place.
01:00:13.000It's the same thing though where if you go through life and you get like good service or something you rarely write like a thank-you card to the person because one of the exercises I did early on when I was an angry guy maybe I'm 19 you know you do these at-home DVD or CDs that's how you had to do it and one exercise was like a gratitude exercise so if you went to the airplane and like somebody was really nice to you you would write a letter to the manager but it was like a good letter.
01:00:48.000I will say, I'll say this actually, there was a guy, he actually went to jail, went to prison.
01:00:53.000He attacked someone outside of one of my events in New York, and he apologized to the guy he attacked.
01:00:59.000He still felt morally justified in what he did, and he said he didn't regret it, but it was more like, oh, I didn't realize I was hitting a civilian, you know, kind of thing.
01:01:08.000But when I read his stuff, he wrote with a great level of sensitivity and a great level of...
01:01:15.000But he just believes things about the world that aren't true.
01:01:19.000And that's, again, where they read things on the internet, they don't actually talk.
01:01:22.000I'm like, hey dude, you can give me a call, bro.
01:01:24.000Like, you can give me a call and you can say, hey Mike, do you believe these things before you want to riot?
01:01:28.000And I'll honestly tell you what I believe or what I don't believe.
01:01:31.000So, some of them do have above average amount of literacy, above average amount of compassion, above average amount of cultural awareness, midwits.
01:01:42.000But, you know, the thug element, you know, because if you're like white and you want to be in a gang, you join Antifa because you can kind of get away with it, right?
01:02:15.000But I also think it's really dangerous if we only ever go down the path of demonization.
01:02:19.000We have to recognize these people, you know, the saying goes that the left, the right thinks the left is misguided, but the left thinks the right is evil.
01:02:27.000And we need to make sure that there's always, I think there's always a path to redemption.
01:02:31.000Well, I think, typically, there's a tendency towards a path to redemption.
01:02:35.000Some people are just like, it's too far gone, and you're like, You know, I don't know what we can do for this person.
01:02:40.000But I look at a lot of these activists, and I... I had a conversation with an Antifa guy in Berkeley.
01:02:44.000He was screaming at, like, some right-wing dude.
01:03:46.000There's just so many, you could go to the Raytheon CEO house.
01:03:49.000They wouldn't even know they're... Yeah, right.
01:03:51.000That, to me, is why all of this stuff is sort of empty, is at least when they were doing the WTO protests in Seattle, okay, you're actually fighting the system.
01:03:59.000You're actually fighting the establishment.
01:04:33.000He says, A recent nationally representative survey commissioned by SkepticMag asked respondents to estimate the number of unarmed blacks killed by police in 2019.
01:04:42.000Overall, 44% of liberals guessed 1,000 or more as compared to 20% of conservatives.
01:04:48.000This calculation is based on the crosstabs shared with me by the researcher.
01:04:58.000And he's at the Venice Skate Park in California, and there's three black dudes, and he asks them, how many black people do you think were killed by cops in 2019?
01:05:05.000And one guy goes, thousands, man, thousands.
01:06:48.000A very non-political way that that survey was done is, if you pulled the American public and you said, what percentage of the population do you think is white, Hispanic, black?
01:06:58.000Most people would say they think one in four people in America are black.
01:07:01.000And if you ask them what percentage of the population is gay, you get something from like 5% to 25%.
01:07:07.000And the answer is that, well, if you're doing a billboard and you have four people, you can't put four white people because that'd be racist.
01:07:14.000So you have to put, you know, okay, we need a woman here, we need a black here, we need a gay person here, you know, we have all the representation.
01:07:20.000And then people see that over and over and over and over again.
01:07:23.000So that misunderstanding is the same thing with combat deaths.
01:07:26.000If you say, hey, what percentage of combat fatalities do you think are like female versus male?
01:07:31.000And they'll be like, well, like 25% are female or some high number.
01:07:35.000Yeah, yeah, it's like way, way down the list, and that's because medium is the message, visual persuasion.
01:07:42.000Even if you're, even if, from a good point, because I believe in representation, I believe, I agree with the left in terms of representation matters.
01:07:48.000You should have positive role models of every kind of race, religion represented, because that does matter, because kids watch that, because media is so important.
01:07:56.000So if people grew up in the 80s and they watch action movies, they go to the gym.
01:08:06.000So I actually believe in representation.
01:08:08.000But even when it's meant to be done in good faith, people then draw the wrong conclusions.
01:08:13.000And then when it's done in bad faith, which is what the media is doing, hands up, don't shoot, all the various hoaxes, you're terrorizing.
01:08:20.000I mean, the wild thing about it is, this is probably a weird thing that people wouldn't expect me to think, but I would say that black men are the biggest victims of the media hoaxes.
01:08:29.000Because when I leave the house, I know as a lawyer, if I get pulled over, things get dodgy, you should be careful all the time.
01:08:38.000But I don't think that I'm gonna get hunted down by anyone.
01:08:41.000I don't think that I'm gonna get hunted down by a gang of black teenagers, or the police, or anyone else.
01:08:46.000There's a large percent of the population, there's actually somebody who worked for the NRA, a black guy, and he would say that, or African American, or POC, or whatever you're allowed to say now, he used to actually believe that white people with guns were gonna hunt him down.
01:09:01.000And that's because you've been gaslit.
01:09:03.000Well, so the crazy thing is, when I went to Sweden, there were a lot of conservative personalities talking about the migrant crime waves and things like that.
01:09:10.000And they were showing these videos of burning cars and the most egregious stuff.
01:09:13.000And what I discovered was, they were right.
01:10:00.000But relative to where I'm from, crime is extremely and ridiculously low.
01:10:05.000So what happens is, I think there are people who were correctly pointing out the crime waves, but basing the reality situation off of their personal experience in, say, London, where there is, like, more crime.
01:10:17.000They then put out videos, or New York, or Chicago, or Baltimore.
01:10:20.000And then they make it seem, because in their worldview, it is crazy to see this massive increase in murders.
01:10:27.000For people who lived in Sweden, they were shocked by these numbers, but they're not used to it.
01:10:59.000They're like, Oh my God, country roads.
01:11:00.000Is this going to be the Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
01:11:03.000Is it going to be deliverance all over again?
01:11:05.000So there, there is the other rising where, okay, I grew up in the rural area and actually it's incredibly dangerous in terms of driving, car accidents, a deer runs out.
01:11:14.000And I'm afraid of going to Chicago to go shopping on Miracle Mile.
01:11:18.000I'm actually safer on Miracle Mile than I am driving my car at night because some deer is not going to, you know, run out of the road.
01:11:25.000But then with the media, because there's all these cognitive biases, the availability bias of the last thing you hear is what you think happens all the time.
01:11:32.000So for example, there was that famous...
01:11:35.000The case where the airline pilot, I think Captain Sullivan or Sully, landed in water.
01:11:40.000And then after he landed in water, oh my God, an emergency.
01:11:43.000We have to now have water life jackets in every kind of plane.
01:11:47.000You're like, that happened one time in 10 years, dude.
01:11:50.000But if you're the guy who says that happened one time in 10 years, it is what it is.
01:11:54.000Now you're going to be massacred by the media.
01:11:55.000Oh, you don't care if kids drown in a pool.
01:14:51.000But again, what's happening here is everything's becoming so political.
01:14:55.000Everything's becoming this kind of emotional, manipulative mind control.
01:14:59.000And it's being played over and over again just to make sure that we are convinced that something is happening.
01:15:05.000When we look at the way that the media has been acting, they've been acting very, very intelligently when it comes to their propaganda.
01:15:12.000There's a reason they repeated the George Floyd murder tape over and over and over again.
01:15:18.000And when we talk about, you know, that particular event, whether you have questions about it or not, It brought up a lot of emotions for a lot of people that a lot of people capitalized on for their own personal political benefit.
01:15:30.000Whether it was true or not, it didn't matter.
01:15:32.000People saw it and got to see it all the time.
01:15:35.000When it comes to other people, let's just say, you know, Ashley Babbitt getting killed, you don't see that footage on CNN for a particular reason.
01:15:44.000They paid the guy, the lefty activist, 30 grand for it.
01:15:46.000But as far as, if you compare the footage to George Floyd, I think there's a big disparity as far as how much it's played, how it's played, and the coverage behind it, the music behind it, the zooming in on it, the face of a man dying in front of you is traumatic.
01:16:01.000But we have to understand, these are selectively chosen to have a bigger agenda out there.
01:16:06.000When you brought up, you know, COVID, if we treated obesity like COVID, cancer like COVID, the opioid epidemic like COVID, especially with the number of deaths, with the number of people's affected by that, my goodness, we would never get out of the door ever.
01:16:19.000But COVID is something else that's being treated in this own special, unique way.
01:16:24.000But obesity, depression, child suicide rates, all of those issues that are effective of the lockdowns, we're not, we can't even talk about it.
01:16:33.000300,000 people die per year from obesity.
01:17:30.000But there is conversations about restricting your freedoms, taking away your liberties, taking away your money, taking away your livelihood, taking away your existence for the benefit of the state.
01:17:38.000And it's ridiculous, and it's sick, and it's two-faced, and it needs to be called out more than ever.
01:17:43.000So, thank you, Naomi Klein, for doing that.
01:17:46.000Let's sort of do a pretty harsh segue into this other segment that's about critical race theory and social justice stuff, but it's more about men and women and child rearing and stuff.
01:17:56.000I normally like to make sure we keep everything in a standard through line, but this one's too interesting to pass up, because Matthew Iglesias.
01:18:03.000So Matthew Iglesias is the co-founder of Vox.com, and he tweeted this today.
01:18:08.000Here's a poll that could burn the discourse down.
01:18:12.000And I don't know why he posted it, but it's family work preference based on gender and marital parental status.
01:18:19.000And the funny thing is, I don't think there's anything necessarily definitive from it, but we do see that married mothers overwhelmingly believe, around 55%, that one parent should work full-time, and one parent should provide childcare in the home, and married fathers basically think the same thing.
01:18:35.000But you know what's really funny about this?
01:18:36.000Married mothers, only about 15%, think both parents should work full-time and use childcare.
01:18:42.000Married fathers, you actually have around 25% who think both parents should be working full-time and using paid childcare.
01:18:50.000I think it's funny that more guys think that.
01:18:52.000And I think it's because men probably underestimate the amount of work that goes into raising kids.
01:18:56.000So they're like, ah, my wife can work.
01:18:59.000We'll get a child, you know, a sitter.
01:19:01.000And the wife is like, no, no, no, you underestimate.
01:19:04.000But interestingly, There's a poll from 2019 that Matthew also posted.
01:19:10.00056% of women prefer working to homemaking.
01:19:12.000I think there's interesting ramifications from this, notably that the number is actually 56 for women who prefer to work outside the home, but 75% for men.
01:19:21.000And then 39% of women prefer being a homemaker and only 23% of men.
01:19:28.000My question, and I want to get into the gender dynamics, especially with you here, Mike, about what you think this leads to, why it's happening.
01:19:36.000We were talking about testosterone before, and men's testosterone levels going down, so I figured it'd be fun to talk about this.
01:19:42.000Yeah, those things, I'm surprised the numbers aren't inverse, where more people want to be stay-at-home moms.
01:19:47.000One thing I've got with Shauna is, Shauna would be a little bit insecure
01:19:52.000to say that she was a stay-at-home mom because she would get shamed by other women
01:20:31.000I could just, I know, I believe in mindset, your limits, blah, blah, blah.
01:20:35.000I could not be all the time with the kids the way my wife.
01:20:39.000This is like the one subject that, when we talk about, triggers the most anger from leftists, and I don't... I mean, I can probably make some assumptions as to why they get so mad about it, because maybe it's what you kind of pointed out, that there's a lot of women who would rather be homemakers.
01:21:00.000So Shauna, it's so interesting because I see things from her perspective too, is anything about parenting makes people mad.
01:21:06.000So for example, I did a whole thread on how we did natural childbirth, and I prefaced it with, hey man, if you went to the hospital, I just hope your kids are healthy.
01:22:17.000I mean, I'm just talking about an actual survey.
01:22:19.000So I can just say that I could not, I could not be a mom.
01:22:24.000And I, I don't have to pander to women because mine says men, all blessings to them.
01:22:29.000There's an article I read that really triggered the left.
01:22:32.000And it, like, seriously did as I started writing articles about it and yelling at me and I got a bunch of people hitting me up.
01:22:36.000Because it was about working women in their 30s who couldn't find men.
01:22:40.000And I'm like, maybe there is something with this Gallup poll and this other discourse thing that Matthew Glacius tweeted, where if you got a guy who's in his 30s who's successful and attractive, he's not going to want to find a woman who, you know, wants to work.
01:22:53.000He wants to find someone who can help him have a family.
01:22:56.000There's a lot of things you can misinterpret with opinions, but one thing you can't misinterpret are the financial ramifications that cause people to have a home where both of the parents work.
01:23:06.000It used to be that someone would have one job and they could pay for their family, they could pay for their mortgage, they could pay for the food on the table.
01:23:12.000Now that situation is dramatically going down, especially with energy prices going up, housing prices going up.
01:23:18.000Food prices going up this is affecting us in such a ... dramatic ways and we have to understand behind the larger ... movement especially in the early on sense of the 1900s ... there was a lot of industrialists that saw that if ... we have more taxpayers if we have more workers if we have ... more factory people if we have more employees to choose from.
01:23:39.000Wages will naturally go down, and that's why big-time industrialists like Rockefeller were big-time proponents of movements that made women go into the workforce.
01:23:51.000The financial incentives are something that we should be having a bigger conversation on because these are the talking points that do affect us, and we need to realize that in America, a single working family home cannot make ends meet.
01:25:18.000Let's say you're 23 and you're working at a Best Buy or something.
01:25:24.000You're not gonna go to your boss and put pressure on him and try and find more work because you're probably making more than enough.
01:25:30.000You go home, you play World of Warcraft, you play Destiny, whatever video games you're into, Minecraft or whatever, film some YouTube videos maybe, and then you're done.
01:25:36.000Let's say you're 23 and you've got a 3-year-old kid.
01:25:38.000You're gonna go to your boss and be like, I need more money.
01:25:40.000And he's gonna be like, we can't give you more money.
01:26:05.000I know a lot of people struggle to make ends meet.
01:26:07.000But I also know that there are a lot of people... So I knew people back where I grew up on the south side of Chicago who found a way to go from being a high school dropout to making six figures because they literally had no choice.
01:26:18.000They had a kid when they were a teenager and they started working 80 hours a week And then every opportunity they saw they took, they pressured their bosses and they said, I got a kid.
01:26:33.000I mean, there's, so you raised a lot of, there's so much swirl, which is the idea that a lot of reason, reasons that young men aren't driven is because the dating is a disaster.
01:26:43.000Unless you're like a very top tier guy.
01:26:44.000I read some statistic on how many people ever get matched on these dating apps.
01:26:48.000So, the way the dating system has, it's actually kind of wild if you think about, if you're like a top tier guy, you can have four, they call them spinning plates, you can have four or five different girls that you're dating and they just kind of accept it like that's the way it is and you have all the leverage, and then if you're just like a guy who's maybe above average, a little bit above average, You're good luck, dude.
01:28:19.000Now, this college woman who's 19 or 20 opens up their app, and it's not just the 19-year-old guy.
01:28:24.000This is what I said to this 22-year-old guy.
01:28:26.000I said, I'll tell you what your problem is, and this is not absolute, I'm just saying, but I'll tell you, this is something you were really facing that I didn't face when I was younger.
01:28:32.000I was like, look, I'm in my early 30s, I'm wealthy, successful.
01:28:54.000If there's a 20-year-old woman, and she swipes right on this attractive 20-year-old guy at her college, and they're messaging, and she's also messaging a 30-year-old guy, 30-year-old guy says, how would you like me to pick you up in my, you know, convertible and we'll drive to my house.
01:29:10.000I've got an infinity pool I just built.
01:29:12.000And the 20-year-old guy says, how would you like to come hang out at my dorm and watch movies?
01:29:16.000And she's like, man, which one sounds like more fun?
01:29:18.000There's more opportunity with the guy who's already established.
01:29:21.000Dating apps have opened that up and made it much, much harder because now young men without the status and the wealth are competing against established men.
01:29:28.000Yes, and adding to that is The 30 year old guy isn't just texting one 19 year old.
01:29:34.000So he's not just taking one off the market, which would be, you know, mathematically, it would all kind of suss out.
01:29:39.000He's actually taken three, four or five off the market because he's making them all.
01:29:44.000So it's the weird thing is online dating has ruined it for women because a guy can just be like, Hey dude, I need NUDESs.
01:29:51.000And if you're like, no, it's like, okay, I'm the 35 year old guy.
01:29:55.000I'm going to, I'm about to fly to Paris.
01:29:57.000I'm picking out who I want to bring with me on this trip.
01:30:02.000Going down the list of the, you have not just your 19 year old and you can't compete, but it's not just one girl has been taken off the market.
01:30:09.000Now it's really like four or five are being taken off by the top dog.
01:30:13.000So you have the, the, the top of the food chain kind of guys having a monopoly.
01:30:18.000And then you have the younger guys who then just check out.
01:30:20.000I want to stress, too, more power to these women.
01:30:22.000It's their choice to be with whoever they want to be with.
01:30:24.000And I'm not saying that there's any violation of their autonomy or agency simply because they're engaged in this dating app game.
01:30:30.000I'm just saying there is a general hypothesis I have that I think the math will pan out that young men are less likely to form bonds and relationships with women because of the competition in the market.
01:30:42.000But then my question is, what happens when those 20-year-old guys are 30-year-old guys without any dating experience?
01:30:48.000But also, most importantly, what's going to happen to those 19-year-old women that do become 30?
01:30:52.000There's this weird kind of invert axis that happens, especially around the age of 30.
01:30:57.000I mean, it's becoming later and later on, but it's not good.
01:31:00.000It's not good for men when they're young, and it's not good for women when they're older.
01:31:04.000So this is causing a lot of infighting that is causing a lot of relationships not to happen.
01:31:10.000I gotta say, too, I love, like, this always really, really pisses off the left, but I think it was OkCupid who did the study on... They would never do that again.
01:32:17.000I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you can say I'm a middle-level executive at the whatever thing and if a guy's got his own thing going on he's like well that's nice I'm happy for you congratulations for your success but I don't know dude I'm trying to like take a trip you want to like get on a plane or you got to call in sick at work or you got to get vacation time or whatever.
01:32:35.000Yeah, so that's actually something I experienced.
01:32:38.000I was in a relationship with a fairly prominent media individual, and it was just like, you're doing your thing that's really cool, then we're both doing our thing.
01:32:48.000And so there was no real opportunity to actually spend time together.
01:32:51.000It's like, if you've got your career, and your career is the most important thing, I gotta be honest, all we really did was like, sleep in the same bed.
01:32:58.000Like, night comes, and it's like, how was your day?
01:33:57.000And they're like, I don't know, make a move or whatever, whereas when you were, you know, my, you know, when you were in college, your age or my age, you had to go make a move, dude.
01:34:05.000When I was, you know, like 18, 19, 20, every weekend we would be at some random house party and it was literally just dudes walking around, hey, what's up, to women and talking to them.
01:34:15.000And then they'd feel it out and then they'd either leave or that was it.
01:34:18.000Like, congratulations, you met someone.
01:34:20.000Now you're going to go hang out or do something.
01:34:22.000Now it's all, like, pre-screened on an app.
01:34:24.000You know, Bumble, the woman who invented Bumble, becomes a billionaire where only the women can make the opening move.
01:34:30.000Like, these apps have... You know what?
01:34:33.000I don't know what the long-term effects of this are gonna be, so I'm not here to make, like, a harsh criticism of the dating scene or the choices of men and women.
01:34:40.000Just pointing out the differences that I've experienced and what I think might be affecting men and women at certain ages.
01:34:45.000Well, I mean, we see the results, and I'm happy to make a prediction.
01:34:49.000The results are, if you're a guy at the top of the food chain, you're King Kong again.
01:34:57.000We've returned to an aristocracy where you can live, as a man, a life that you couldn't have lived unless you were royalty in a previous time.
01:35:06.000I was like, I think a lot of this feminist liberation stuff and apps have been the greatest thing For like douchey alpha guys.
01:35:14.000Oh for sure without question because now it's like They're they're going on apps, and they're swiping around literally every woman Then they're getting then they wait for the woman message them back And they just like I love these memes where like one guy will message 50 women the same thing and go oh man That's that you all saw that oops thinking it was gonna be like a blind carbon copy or something yeah, so What I've noticed from a lot of this, there's a lot of regular dudes, clueless and cut out.
01:35:41.000And there's a lot of guys that are prominent, successful, wealthy, who are just owning the game.
01:35:48.000And they're doing it unabashedly because they're leaning into the sexual revolution too, which is okay.
01:35:53.000There are guys who are just like, okay, I just don't do monogamy, dude.
01:35:56.000You know, you got a problem with that?
01:36:26.000Like if you're an ugly guy, you're doomed.
01:36:28.000And they deleted it because they were like...
01:36:30.000Well, and they did one, too, where when you call somebody a douchebag, those people, the guy with the shirt off in front of the Corvette actually gets, yes, hit up more by the women.
01:36:50.000So all the empirical data show that if you're the douchebag guy, Take your shirt off, wax your car, show pictures of you by the Eiffel Tower, you're going to actually get hit up.
01:37:02.000And if you're the respectable guy and very nice, you know, I read all the feminists lit, you're not going to get anything.
01:37:07.000But that's, of course, why they had to delete it, because the empirical data was in direct conflict with the narrative.
01:37:13.000There was one they had specifically about attractiveness and what they found is men will message women similar to their own level of attractiveness, so it's a bell curve, but women overwhelmingly overvalue their attractiveness and only try going for the best of the best guys.
01:38:02.000That's why I can represent John Roberts and maybe Jordan Peterson's point of view where he got in trouble with enforced monogamy because people can't have an adult conversation.
01:38:09.000But if you don't want to be like the Middle East where one guy has five women and now four guys have nothing to do but blow
01:38:18.000things up or get angry, get radicalized. The idea that if we want to
01:38:22.000live in a socially cohesive stable culture,
01:38:26.000I want people paired up. I want people having kids at an early age. I want them
01:39:21.000It isn't that you have to do it, but there's just a cultural norm.
01:39:24.000Well, another thing we have to understand here, people not mating, people not having partners, leads to social decay, leads to crime, leads to violence, leads to radicalization, leads to, you know, again, I saw one of the stats, I forgot the exact kind of parameters of it, but it was People who don't get laid usually tend to be blowing themselves up or attacking people or to be some of the most crazy people in the world.
01:40:15.000But also, let's make the point here that a lot of institutional establishment, mainstream media, Hollywood powers promote this larger message of promiscuity, of not having partners, of not having families.
01:40:27.000There was even advertisements by the NIH in the United Kingdom telling people, do you want to have your video games or do you want to have a baby?
01:40:35.000Do you want to have your high heels or do you want to have a baby as if having a baby is something bad and taking away from you having fun playing video games?
01:40:41.000Are you wearing high heels or doing whatever you want to do with your life?
01:40:44.000It's almost like they just want you to be a kid.
01:40:47.000They don't want you to grow up, you know?
01:40:51.000Okay, because I saw that and the weird thing just is like a married guy is Sex gets better when you're with the person longer because you know what boundaries are and things aren't going to go too far and everybody knows what's going on.
01:41:04.000So I saw that and I was like, actually these women don't know that in a committed relationship they're going to have more intimacy, they're actually going to have a better time.
01:41:12.000So the idea that you're going to have a kid and you're never going to wear lipstick and lingerie and high heels is probably the opposite.
01:41:18.000You're more likely to do that for a guy you're with.
01:41:20.000I grew up with TV telling me marriage was bad and having a family was awful.
01:41:24.000I mean, you know what show I really could never, I hated, was Married With Children?
01:41:28.000And the reason I hated it was not because he was, you know, it was because he was a loser.
01:42:12.000He's a dumb, dopey, fat dope that doesn't give a damn about anything and is absolutely miserable.
01:42:18.000So seeing that representation plays on the subconscious of so many young Americans, of so many young children, and it's the complete, utter opposite of what's happening in China.
01:42:27.000China, huge population crisis because of their one-child policy.
01:42:30.000They're literally building databases of fertile women inside of Beijing with millions of people.
01:42:36.000Yes, China is building databases of how fertile women are in Beijing.
01:42:41.000And we only know about that because that was leaked.
01:42:43.000There's other stuff that they're doing.
01:42:44.000I mean, they're creating machines that suck out the male energy Family-friendly show here.
01:44:47.000Martin Edgar says, Tim, can you clarify if Crowder made reference to the votes from the fictitious, uh, votes were for a specific party or candidate?
01:44:54.000I don't believe so, because, uh, so here's how it works.
01:44:57.000Crowder did this, and Voter Integrity Project did this.
01:45:00.000You can get access to publicly available voter information, people who voted.
01:45:06.000So what happens is they pull up this information, get a list of addresses, and then, my understanding, I could be wrong, I think Crowder loaded up these addresses into a database checking whether or not you can deliver packages to them, and found a bunch that said you can't deliver packages to them, then went and investigated and found a bunch of parking lots, and, you know, there you go.
01:45:25.000Then he tweeted about it, and he got temporarily suspended, you know, we'll see.
01:45:30.000William Martin says, Hey Tim, are you going to upload the podcast from last Friday in full to YouTube?
01:46:27.000I think he was very, very specific and precise for a reason.
01:46:30.000When you're trying to prove something definitively, you have to make sure you're choosing the right words, which is why I don't even think, I'm pretty sure Matt Brainerd has never said fraud either.
01:48:19.000It's almost like Black Mirror in a sense where they find these different worlds and they kind of ask the question of like, what would the society be like if we did these kinds of things?
01:48:27.000So it's, you know, it's interesting stuff.
01:49:04.000And then they garnish your wages, you get your credit destroyed, you can't rent, you can't buy property.
01:49:08.000You know what's really crazy about the system?
01:49:11.000You could be paying two grand a month in New York for rent and a bank will tell you, yeah, but we're not going to give you a thousand dollar a month mortgage because we don't think you, you know, you have the credit history for it.
01:50:16.000Yeah, I think they've allowed the more, everything now looks bad now because it's tied to Antifa, so I think they've done a lot more harm than good.
01:50:51.000So like, we have a silly version from Teespring, where it's the Revolution Fist holding a pillow, and the my is crossed out, so it says our and not my.
01:50:59.000But we actually do have just over there behind Ian, we've got the official Our Pillow.
01:52:42.000You know, can I answer that real quick, which is, if you go back to the JFK election with Richard Nixon, none of the stuff, this is again, that's a first-time voter right there, who doesn't realize, if you've read history, if you looked at Bush versus Gore, this is always going to happen, it's just shenanigans.
01:52:58.000But the idea that it's R-I-G-G-E-D, Puts too much weight on it.
01:53:03.000You have two people on either side, there's going to be shenanigans everywhere you look at, and that's the elections, every election.
01:53:18.000Then there was even a video that was put out by, I think, some progressives, where it was a woman who claimed to have voted for Trump twice.
01:53:26.000Yeah, and that's what frustrates me, I guess, is that somebody kind of plugged into how it really works.
01:53:34.000Ballot harvesting was what did it, but the James O'Keefe videos, for example, ballot harvesting was being way overdone, but they were still actually real ballots.
01:53:45.000Now, was it a nurse filling out the balance of Alzheimer's patients?
01:53:54.000We can't know because everybody's so fixated on that one word, and you have to have that one word as the grand metanarrative for what happened, whereas instead you could say, like, well, I don't know.
01:54:08.000I was like, dude, stop talking about the fringe weirdo stuff and just talk about the Supreme Court case on the legitimacy of, you know, or the Elector's Clause.
01:54:16.000That's your key right there, the Elector's Clause.
01:54:19.000But instead what happens is, you know, people will scream the most crazy conspiracy about server attacks and shootouts and people prefer the, you know, the crazy, shocking conspiracy narrative because it's fun.
01:54:51.000So I have an update on that Poynter Institute calling me out or lying about me.
01:54:58.000So for those unfamiliar, Poynter Institute essentially runs the organization that determines who is allowed to be a fact-checker on Facebook.
01:55:06.000They created a post where they said Twitter's fact-checking system has got problems.
01:56:14.000And there's a funny bit of a realization in this.
01:56:18.000If I message one of these prominent journalists and say, hey, here's my tweet, that's not true, they'll say, screw off.
01:56:24.000But when I showed him a screenshot that said, correction, Tim's actual tweet referenced Time Magazine, he did not say this himself, they went, oh.
01:56:52.000So anytime they do that, rather than message the reporter, message the general counsel of the media holding company that owns it.
01:56:59.000Include the lawyer and the CC, then include the editor-in-chief, because then what will happen is if something like Covington happens and people sue, that's why CNN settled the lawsuit.
01:57:07.000They'll go and be like, oh, look, you know, you did this to everybody.
01:58:26.000But if it's in the New York Times, then that's considered a more serious forum and they have to be more careful.
01:58:32.000But as a general rule, you never want a statement of fact versus opinion.
01:58:37.000So, you know, you're a terrible person, it's like a moral judgment.
01:58:40.000But if you accuse someone of a very specific crime with enough detail that it has an indicia that it would be a truthful thing that you knew about, that's when you get jammed.
01:58:49.000There's also really, really clever tactics that they use.
01:58:52.000They love doing this thing where they'll name somebody and then add, like, a comma and then some descriptor that makes no sense.
01:58:59.000So, like, uh, Mike Cernovich once went to an ice cream shop and he dropped his vanilla ice cream on the floor and a little kid slipped and fell and busted his skull open.
01:59:10.000What they'll do is, Mike Cernovich, comma, who once took actions which resulted in busting open a child's skull, comma, was seen at the park today.
01:59:32.000I call it, like, the parenthetical of death, but that's also, too, why the media has lost its soft power.
01:59:36.000I was talking to Will about this, so I'll ask your opinion.
01:59:41.000If someone defames you, and it's an overt false statement of fact they won't correct, what if you just defamed them to a more extreme degree with a very serious statement of fact to force discovery?
01:59:53.000Well, yeah, you just force... So that's a tactic?
01:59:57.000Yeah, that would be the tactic, which is let everybody go under oath.
02:00:01.000Because I've had people... Fortunately, I've never defamed anyone.
02:00:04.000Because the things they say that I've defamed people on, like the P-I-G-A-T-E thing, I'm like, well, why was it never issued a retraction?
02:00:12.000Because I've actually been defamed in terms of how they described my role in a certain thing that happened on the internet, and I won't say the words to get you flagged or whatever.
02:00:22.000The idea is if somebody says, Tempool is blank, you could just say, well, you know what, I don't know if I can sue you for this, but I'll just say something about you.
02:00:29.000Now you go ahead and sue me, tough guy, and let's all go under oath.
02:00:33.000And I'm glad to go under oath with you, yeah.
02:00:35.000So I was talking about this because the thing is, when it comes to discovery, there's a certain chain of communications that will be allowed.
02:00:41.000If someone defames you through an editorial process, there's a lot of discovery there.
02:00:45.000But if you just come out with no editorial process and make your statement, you know on your end you've got nothing to lose in a discovery, whereas they might actually have something more serious.
02:00:54.000Yeah, I've had people threaten me all the time.
02:00:56.000That's one reason I live in California, it has what's called an anti-slap law, which is if they sue you and you win, they have to pay your legal fees where in other states they don't have to.
02:01:05.000Because I'm like, look man, I say what I believe.
02:01:09.000And if I believe something... I think the first time we talked, I'm in Berkeley, You would have been like, oh yeah, you said this thing about Black Lives Matter, and it was actually not true, and then I told you it wasn't true, and you're like, okay, am I bad, and I corrected it.
02:01:22.000Because what I say I believe to be true, and if you tell me no, actually it's not true, and here's why it's not true, then of course I'm going to delete it and change it.
02:01:29.000That's probably why, in a way, the media is so jarring to me, because if you're just a human being... I've even deleted things that were true that were harming a person's Google results.
02:01:39.000I tweeted about AOC's timeline when she was lying about what happened at the Capitol, and she lied.
02:03:03.000Much of this past year has been direct foreign media influence, namely China.
02:03:07.000Let's not forget how this all started this time last year.
02:03:10.000It's also pretty scary the influence that China has on not just entertainment, but the news business and how many news executives are afraid to even, you know, voice their concerns about anything China's doing.
02:03:22.000Well, it's concentration media ownership.
02:03:24.000That's what's funny is how the right and the left have switched, where everybody, it was like a left-wing talking point, at least when I was in college, you'd buy like ad busters.
02:03:32.000And the idea was that six media conglomerates ordered everything.
02:03:36.000And so if you're NBC News, are you going to say anything that's going to put NBCUniversal into peril with China?
02:03:42.000Are you going to disrupt the next Disneyland if you're downstream of ABC?
02:03:47.000And the answer is like, of course not.
02:04:56.000It's true, but I don't know if I don't know if there's a reason that they had to abstain, though, because it was I think it was a unanimous vote.
02:05:03.000So that I think that's something like a parliamentary procedure that I have to look into before I had an opinion.
02:05:31.000They sell it to debt collectors on pennies on the dollar, and then the debt collectors go after people, and then maybe the debt collectors, because you're only buying it pennies on the dollar, let people go.
02:05:40.000But there's absolutely medical bankruptcies.
02:05:50.000That's, you know... I was thinking about... Do you remember when Occupy Wall Street did that thing where they bought up all that medical debt?
02:06:06.000I don't know if it's a long-term solution, but at least it can provide some relief to some people who are suffering, you know what I mean?
02:06:11.000Yeah, and it's a better way of using money than, you know, anything else.
02:06:13.000So yeah, that's where I would look at practical solutions, because the only reason that I would be quote-unquote against universal healthcare is because you still have the principal agency issue where I don't believe you can justly order a doctor to perform services at certain wages and who pays for it.
02:08:18.000I mean, like I said, I deal with that just in my own personal life, where Shauna was insecure about being a stay-at-home mom.
02:08:25.000So I call myself a stay-at-home dad, actually.
02:08:26.000So if you watch my streams, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm just a stay-at-home dad to try to get away from that stigma.
02:08:32.000We were talking about this months and months ago, and I referenced Family Guy.
02:08:36.000Because there's an episode about this where Lois Griffin, you know, encounters some businesswoman who looks down on her because she's a homemaker.
02:08:43.000I use pop culture references because, surprise, surprise, how many people watch Family Guy and watch his movies and understand what these references are and find it relatable?
02:08:52.000But this is what, like, the left loves to do.
02:08:53.000They like to use that as some sort of, like, they have this, like, pseudo-intellectual or academic nature to the way they communicate, as if it's, like, better than you.
02:09:03.000I look at how Trump was able to pull off one of the greatest media manipulations I've ever seen, ordering that, you know, dry aged steak with ketchup.
02:09:55.000Just like, what's with these miserable cartoons where people are just losers?
02:10:00.000And again, that's the programming though.
02:10:02.000That's why my views on representation minorities would probably be shocking to people because there's more left wing, which representation does matter, but it works like both ways too.
02:10:11.000You shouldn't represent men as schlubby guys get henpecked by a wife because that's sending a bad message about family too.
02:10:18.000So yeah, but representation does matter.
02:10:19.000At least Beavis and Butthead were content.
02:10:22.000We have a very important message from Dingus Malingus.
02:10:48.000Because that's the idea is you're giving up your freedom, but you're getting love and you're giving love and you're opening up your heart and your reality is something different.
02:10:58.000I'll tell you this, you know, it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy is what like 50 years when you've got a bunch of these millennials who are Get getting older, you know developing dementia and other you know, cognitive cognitive decline and they've got nobody there It's what are you gonna do?
02:11:15.000It's really easy for a lot of these, you know, single Millennials to just hang out with their buddies but when you are all entering the downward, the back end of the bell curve for your life, you need someone to take care of you.
02:11:28.000I think about this a lot because I don't have kids.
02:12:41.000Yeah, I have no interest in dating an 18-year-old.
02:12:42.000This was actually part of OkCupid's data.
02:12:44.000They found that... I'm not going to get into the really creepy findings they published because it was nightmarishly disgusting.
02:12:50.000But what they said was that when it comes to any man of any age, the reason why they choose 22 is not because it's the ideal age.
02:12:59.000It's the ideal combination of maturity and youthful vigor.
02:13:04.000There's a big difference between an 18-year-old and a 22-year-old.
02:13:07.000Okay, okay, he would put out because the age actually goes a bit further down
02:13:11.000Yeah, creepy, but when they were like when they would ask a guy would you date an 18 year old?
02:13:16.000They'd be like oh no way because it's like it's a big difference between 18 year old and a 22 year old
02:13:21.000Definitely just a human brain changes so much. I mean you're totally mature to 23
02:13:26.000They say is when you're like your body's fully mature well And women mature a little bit quicker than men, too.
02:13:31.000So a 22-year-old woman, on average, is going to be—or girl, whatever you call them—is going to be more mature than a 22-year-old guy, for sure, too.
02:13:41.000But if you're 15, 18, even 10 years, which is the gap between me and Shauna, is about as much as I could do.
02:13:48.000Well, with that being said, I think we will have you all smash that like button, go to TimCast.com, because in about an hour or so we'll have the bigger segment on probably one of the most important and pressing issues that has happened in the past couple of years.
02:14:01.000I don't want to get too much into it because YouTube is insane, but Cernovich was one of the legal parties to blowing the lid on the whole Epstein case, and that's correct, right?
02:14:11.000Yeah, yeah, the law degree came in handy.
02:14:14.000You know, a lot of things that, you know, like I could explain the institutional mindset of John Roberts, the FC thing.
02:14:21.000We're going to get into all this in a bonus segment where we're going to get pretty serious and probably a lot of like, you know, family unfriendly things to say.
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02:14:45.000Mike, is there anything you wanted to mention?
02:14:47.000Well, you know, Buy Guerrilla Mindset is actually a great mindset book, and I wouldn't have to pull some kind of marketing gimmick and re-release it, you know?
02:15:16.000I'm also tweeting up a storm on LukeWeAreChange, and I'm pretty close to getting 700,000 YouTube subscribers, so go to youtube.com forward slash WeAreChange if you're not subscribed yet.
02:15:26.000Even if you are subscribed, check it out because a lot of people are being unsubscribed to WeAreChange on YouTube.
02:15:31.000I did a very informative video about reproductive rates, testosterone levels, and the depopulation that's happening on my YouTube channel today.
02:15:52.000Hit me up on Mines and follow me on twitch.tv slash iancrossland where I will be going live to play some video games with Adam Krigler and more.