Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - UFC NYC ERUPTS Cheering For Trump, Tucker Carlson, Biden WILL LOSE 2024 w-Aaron Mate

00:00:00.000 So Donald Trump, Kid Rock, Tucker Carlson, Dana White all come out at UFC at Madison

00:00:23.000 Square Garden and the whole arena erupts in cheering.

00:00:27.000 This is massive.

00:00:28.000 Democrats know Joe Biden can't win.

00:00:30.000 His polls are in the gutter.

00:00:31.000 Trump is winning in aggregate.

00:00:33.000 And when Donald Trump has New York City cheering for him and Tucker Carlson and Kid Rock, it doesn't paint a very good picture.

00:00:43.000 For the Democrats.

00:00:44.000 However, Gavin Newsom is probably going to be their ace in the hole and at some point he's going to announce he's taking over.

00:00:50.000 Vivek Ramaswamy masterfully calling them out saying, we know he's running a shadow campaign, we know Biden's not going to be the guy.

00:00:55.000 So we got news out of California.

00:00:57.000 Gavin Newsom is admitting that they only cleaned up the homeless problem because Xi Jinping was coming and this is a big scandal.

00:01:06.000 And then we'll talk about, we've got this, there's another podcast you may have heard of.

00:01:10.000 H3H3 and Hassan Piker, they do a show called Leftovers that apparently is in jeopardy, and this is a pretty popular left-wing show.

00:01:19.000 It's in jeopardy because Ethan Klein is married to an IDF veteran, he is Jewish, and Hassan Piker is absolutely pro-Palestine.

00:01:28.000 And it's resulted in some very tumultuous circumstances where on some of their live shows, you've got 30 plus thousand people in the chat just spamming free Palestine and from the river to the sea and things like this, and it's leading to some very serious tension that I think exemplifies very much so the implosion that we are seeing here in the culture war.

00:01:47.000 Even people on the right, from pro-Israel to pro-Palestine, and on the left, it's creating very interesting dynamics.

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00:02:47.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Okay.

00:02:51.000 Good to be here.

00:02:52.000 Who are you?

00:02:53.000 What do you do?

00:02:54.000 I'm a journalist.

00:02:54.000 I write articles.

00:02:56.000 I'm with The Gray Zone, thegrayzone.com.

00:02:59.000 I also write for some other outlets, too.

00:03:01.000 And yeah, I've been in independent journalism for a long time.

00:03:04.000 And you get kicked off trains.

00:03:06.000 I got kicked off a train today on my way here.

00:03:08.000 But I mean, you're confronting a senator.

00:03:10.000 Yes.

00:03:11.000 Senator Chris Coons was sitting right across from me.

00:03:14.000 And I had to take the opportunity to ask him about his stance on Gaza.

00:03:16.000 He opposed the ceasefire.

00:03:18.000 So I asked him about it.

00:03:19.000 He didn't take kindly to it.

00:03:20.000 And Yeah, he just said, we're in the quiet car.

00:03:23.000 Stop talking to me.

00:03:24.000 He's right.

00:03:25.000 We were in the quiet car.

00:03:26.000 So I did violate the quiet car rules, although I did speak in a quiet voice.

00:03:31.000 And after, you know, about two minutes, he got up and left and then came back and had me move.

00:03:35.000 And I did move.

00:03:36.000 And eventually he walked by me again and saw me.

00:03:38.000 I think that triggered him.

00:03:40.000 And next thing I knew, the next stop, I was asked to leave the train.

00:03:43.000 Wow.

00:03:43.000 So even after you said, okay, and you left the car and went somewhere else, he came and got you kicked off.

00:03:47.000 Correct, because the Amtrak attendant said, unless you move, you're going to be removed.

00:03:51.000 So I complied.

00:03:52.000 Wow.

00:03:52.000 And then I went and sat in the same car, in the same car.

00:03:55.000 And he happened to walk by, saw me.

00:03:56.000 I looked at him.

00:03:57.000 I didn't say anything, though, because I'm respecting the new rules that were imposed on me.

00:04:03.000 And I think that triggered him.

00:04:04.000 And so I was gone.

00:04:05.000 Right on.

00:04:05.000 Well, this should be interesting.

00:04:06.000 So thanks for hanging out.

00:04:07.000 We have a lot to talk about.

00:04:07.000 We got Libby hanging out.

00:04:08.000 Hey, how's it going?

00:04:09.000 Glad to be here.

00:04:10.000 I'm Libby Emmons.

00:04:11.000 I'm the Editor-in-Chief with the PostmillennialandHumanEvents.com.

00:04:16.000 I'm Ian Crosland.

00:04:17.000 Dude, Aaron, it sounds like the vibration of your presence was making noise in his head.

00:04:21.000 I think it was.

00:04:23.000 Like, that was his conscience.

00:04:24.000 It was.

00:04:25.000 It was feedback.

00:04:25.000 Is it ma-tay or ma-tay?

00:04:27.000 How do you say it?

00:04:27.000 Ma-tay.

00:04:28.000 Ma-tay? 0.96

00:04:28.000 Ma-tay. 0.96

00:04:28.000 You got it. 0.96

00:04:29.000 Both wrong.

00:04:29.000 I like it.

00:04:30.000 Yeah, it's fine.

00:04:30.000 But I don't care.

00:04:31.000 You can say it how you want.

00:04:32.000 Thanks, man.

00:04:32.000 Is there an accent over one of the E's on the end?

00:04:34.000 There is, yes.

00:04:34.000 Cool, man.

00:04:35.000 Good to see you.

00:04:35.000 Well, hey, I'm Ian Crossland.

00:04:36.000 My interviews have been wild this last week.

00:04:38.000 I interviewed Jimmy Corsetti on Friday.

00:04:39.000 We talked about Atlantis, and I'm still fired up about it.

00:04:42.000 So if you haven't seen him, check him out after this show.

00:04:44.000 I'll remind everybody again.

00:04:46.000 Let's rock and roll.

00:04:47.000 And I'm Serge.com, and I'm ready to start when you're ready, Tim.

00:04:50.000 This is the big story.

00:04:52.000 It actually is pretty interesting.

00:04:53.000 Donald Trump greeted by cheers upon arrival at UFC 295 in New York City.

00:04:59.000 It wasn't just Donald Trump.

00:05:00.000 It was Tucker Carlson and Kid Rock, and I must stress this for you all again, in New York City.

00:05:06.000 Probably, what is this, the deepest blue blue can be in this country?

00:05:11.000 Well, no, that's not fair.

00:05:11.000 I mean, I guess Portland, maybe.

00:05:13.000 Well, and they did flip a city council seat last week.

00:05:16.000 A city council seat in the Bronx.

00:05:18.000 Wait, to Republican?

00:05:18.000 Yeah.

00:05:20.000 And there was another flip, I think, in Long Island.

00:05:23.000 Wow, this is getting crazy.

00:05:24.000 New Yorkers are getting pissed. 1.00

00:05:25.000 They're tired of all this garbage. 0.97

00:05:27.000 I think seeing Donald Trump get massive cheers in New York City should be... As soon as I see this, I'm like, all the polls that are claiming Trump's within a point or two above Joe Biden, they're wrong. 0.96

00:05:38.000 He's got to be higher than that.

00:05:40.000 Look, I know we can all say that UFC fighters are base and so the fans are probably more, you know, right-leaning or whatever.

00:05:46.000 I don't believe that.

00:05:48.000 The people I know who are watching fights, they're just regular people.

00:05:51.000 UFC is a mainstream popular sport.

00:05:54.000 And Donald Trump shows up in New York City to Madison Square Garden and the crowd goes nuts.

00:05:58.000 I think it's fair to say Joe Biden can't win.

00:06:00.000 But I also think everyone listening to this show already knows it's not going to be Joe Biden anyway, right?

00:06:04.000 Well, and these are probably a lot of people from New Jersey also.

00:06:07.000 Well, there's like New Jersey and New York and the crowd.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, but it's all blue.

00:06:11.000 It's all.

00:06:11.000 No, it's awesome.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, I think it's great.

00:06:14.000 Did you see Bill Burr's wife was flipping? 0.67

00:06:16.000 Oh, yeah, that's great, too.

00:06:18.000 Yeah, she flipped off Trump.

00:06:19.000 She flipped off Trump from behind. 0.57

00:06:21.000 See?

00:06:22.000 It's New York.

00:06:22.000 It's not all love for Trump, I guess.

00:06:25.000 People express themselves.

00:06:27.000 So what's our prescription here?

00:06:29.000 Or what's our prediction is probably the better way to put it.

00:06:31.000 It's Donald Trump in New York City getting thunderous applause with Tucker Carlson.

00:06:36.000 I'm just right there.

00:06:36.000 I mean, Tucker Carlson's walking through Madison Square Garden.

00:06:38.000 Everyone's screaming and cheering.

00:06:40.000 Okay, it's not a good sign for Joe Biden in 2024 and the rest of the Democrats.

00:06:44.000 I think in, what was it, in Kentucky, the last election last week, the only thing Democrats won was the governor's race and it was super close.

00:06:52.000 And it was an incumbent, so I mean.

00:06:53.000 Right, common advantage.

00:06:55.000 And then the rest of the, all these other positions ended up going to Republicans.

00:06:58.000 So it is looking like At least right now, based on what we saw last week and what we're, I mean a lot of people are saying it was really bad for Republicans, but I think what we're seeing right now in New York City, you mentioned them flipping a seat, I don't, I don't see how Democrats can win unless they radically shift their strategy right now.

00:07:17.000 What about all of the wins that we saw last week?

00:07:19.000 Like in Ohio, they had a sweeping abortion law that was like a constitutional amendment.

00:07:26.000 And then a number of other places.

00:07:29.000 Those are wins for Democrats.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, we saw a lot of Democrat wins last week.

00:07:32.000 They legalized weed in Ohio.

00:07:33.000 Yeah, I think that's a mistake Republicans are making.

00:07:38.000 Who was talking about this?

00:07:39.000 I don't know, maybe Mike Cernovich was tweeting about it.

00:07:42.000 Abortion is generally popular in the United States.

00:07:45.000 To the point where people don't actually care the full extent of what's being legalized, the pro-life position is not going to win out.

00:07:51.000 Yeah, it's something that if you want to actually make a pro-life change, you've got to somehow get the population to follow you for other reasons and then kind of subconsciously get them to become pro-life.

00:08:02.000 But screaming it is not going to make people.

00:08:04.000 This is why I think it's important.

00:08:05.000 Like if you're pro-life, it makes more sense to advocate against abortion than to advocate for abortion to be illegal.

00:08:13.000 Like they're not the same thing.

00:08:14.000 Abortion can be legal and you can encourage people not to do it. 0.69

00:08:17.000 Right.

00:08:18.000 Showing the morality of it, I think.

00:08:20.000 Watching the baby get dismembered in the womb as it's being pulled out.

00:08:22.000 Or just offering more options for moms. 0.99

00:08:25.000 Like, you can be a mom.

00:08:27.000 It's okay.

00:08:28.000 Yeah, I was talking to a friend of mine and he was mentioning how he bought something.

00:08:34.000 Well, I don't want to give out too many details because it's other dude's private life.

00:08:38.000 But he was trying to help a local kid with some extracurricular activities, and his family was not very well off, so he said, let me help you out and buy you some stuff to help your kids.

00:08:46.000 And when he said this, a bunch of people started calling him a creepo and a pedo for helping this little girl with her school stuff.

00:08:53.000 And he was like, man, I felt so bad, I was like...

00:08:55.000 What, did I do something wrong?

00:08:56.000 Like, why are people yelling at me, like, posting online, like, hey, I just, you know, was buying this stuff for this family.

00:09:00.000 And they attacked him for it, and I'm like, it is really funny that there's a cultural narrative for guys.

00:09:06.000 Like, we have all these stories where a guy's sitting on an airplane, and then it's like, he'll be sitting next to a kid, and the flight attendant comes up and says, you have to move because you're a man sitting next to a child.

00:09:15.000 And then we've had these for years.

00:09:16.000 And then for women, you have these stories where it's like, oh, don't have a family, it's bad for the environment, or you're not gonna have fun, or you're gonna regret it. 0.96

00:09:22.000 It's like, man, they really don't want people having kids.

00:09:24.000 No, and they don't want people around kids.

00:09:26.000 They just want to get rid of kids entirely. 0.98

00:09:28.000 Yeah, right?

00:09:29.000 Yeah.

00:09:29.000 I guess.

00:09:30.000 But at any rate, I don't know where we're at.

00:09:32.000 I've got a prediction on this.

00:09:33.000 Gavin Newsom comes in on a chariot of fire and everyone's like, why is this guy?

00:09:39.000 But then the media pushes him so hard for a year and they're like, Trump bad, Newsom good, and you get a bunch of people behind it, and then unless we have election integrity and the votes are on machines behind the scenes, I have no way to verify whether or not the votes are going to get hacked and flip 5149, but I don't trust the process if it's done secretly on proprietary machines these days.

00:09:59.000 I just don't, I gotta be honest, I don't know where we're at in terms of like, I, I have a general idea.

00:10:07.000 Joe Biden can't win as of right now, but there's got to be some kind of insane and dramatic change that happens over the next several months in order for there to be a viable race for Democrats in 2024.

00:10:18.000 But look at Joe Biden's entire career. 0.96

00:10:20.000 He's a serial liar. 0.81

00:10:22.000 In the 80s when he was running for president, he was caught plagiarizing the speech of a British politician, his whole life story. 1.00

00:10:28.000 He's demented.

00:10:29.000 He thought he was fighting apartheid in South Africa. 0.96

00:10:31.000 He thought he was fighting for civil rights in the US.

00:10:34.000 And I think, accordingly, he's going to be out of touch enough to believe he has a chance.

00:10:34.000 So he's out of touch.

00:10:38.000 And I think he'll stay in the race.

00:10:40.000 Yeah, but they got to remove him, right?

00:10:42.000 I mean, so there's a couple views.

00:10:44.000 One is that the deep state, whatever you want to call it, is like, why won't Joe Biden stop?

00:10:49.000 We need someone else.

00:10:50.000 We can't win.

00:10:51.000 And so now you're seeing all the Hunter Biden stuff bubble up and the threat of impeachment and conviction.

00:10:56.000 If Joe Biden doesn't leave, People think they're going to remove him by force from office.

00:11:02.000 In a speech, I think, was it today?

00:11:03.000 He said President Harris.

00:11:06.000 Well, he said that like eight times already.

00:11:07.000 I know, but he says it a bunch.

00:11:08.000 I think he's really just trying to get us used to it.

00:11:11.000 And they'd have to remove her too, because obviously they can't run her as well because she's so unpopular, probably less popular than he is. 0.99

00:11:18.000 So yeah, no, the impeachment could actually have some legs if people inside his own party get behind it.

00:11:24.000 But the problem is the impeachment has to do with Ukraine and they're sensitive about that because they're so embedded in Ukraine and they don't want to admit defeat there.

00:11:33.000 And the Ukraine impeachment gets to Joe Biden's corruption there and his big role in causing this whole mess.

00:11:38.000 Well, this is why I'm saying I don't know where we're at, because that's a really great point.

00:11:41.000 If they move to him, if Joe Biden won't leave, and they know he's gonna lose, okay, hold on, slow down.

00:11:46.000 If Donald Trump wins, all their war plans are gonna get screwed up.

00:11:49.000 It's not like, you know, Trump's gonna just end everything overnight, but it's certainly, he's certainly not gonna give them what they want.

00:11:55.000 So, they can't have Donald Trump.

00:11:56.000 But he's the frontrunner for the Republicans, and he's gonna do really well.

00:11:59.000 So then they have Joe Biden.

00:12:00.000 Okay, well, if Joe Biden stays in the race, he's gonna lose, and they're gonna get Trump.

00:12:04.000 Can't have that.

00:12:05.000 But if they try to remove Joe Biden using impeachment, you're right.

00:12:09.000 It's Ukraine.

00:12:10.000 And now, whoopsie-daisy, how many other people are going to get caught up in whatever that disaster is?

00:12:16.000 They do have him, though, on the classified documents case.

00:12:19.000 There is an investigation into that, which we forgot about because it gets buried.

00:12:22.000 But they could pull that out.

00:12:24.000 If they really wanted something to get him on, they could use that.

00:12:26.000 And if they do, then they come back and say, oh, look, we're being fair.

00:12:30.000 Trump, you can't be president either.

00:12:31.000 I think if they go after every time I see them talking about the Biden classified documents, I think this is just a way to get Trump because they don't care what happens to Biden and they want Trump out of the way.

00:12:42.000 Well, if you're someone inside the establishment and you hate both Biden and Trump for your own reasons, then this classified documents thing, it's like you kill two birds with one stone because you pretend like you're applying the law equally.

00:12:52.000 Yep.

00:12:53.000 You claim you're upholding justice and you get them both.

00:12:55.000 So if I'm making a prediction, I think they're going to go with that.

00:12:58.000 So is it going to be Newsom versus DeSantis?

00:13:01.000 Are they debating soon?

00:13:02.000 They are.

00:13:03.000 Aren't they having that happen?

00:13:04.000 That's the plan, yeah.

00:13:05.000 The thing is, I don't think you can stop Trump.

00:13:07.000 He's just shown to be so resilient.

00:13:09.000 He freestyled his entire 2016 campaign.

00:13:12.000 Right?

00:13:12.000 He's inevitable.

00:13:13.000 He's inevitable.

00:13:16.000 If you look at him physically, he has a terrible diet, but he just seems indestructible.

00:13:19.000 He's 77 years old, so the only person who can really stop Trump.

00:13:22.000 He's always out there playing golf anyway.

00:13:23.000 There you go, yeah.

00:13:25.000 Who are you going to say is the only person who can stop Trump?

00:13:27.000 The only person who can stop Trump is Trump himself.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:13:29.000 Somehow he hangs it up personally.

00:13:30.000 But otherwise, I just don't think... All these cases against him, like... What is he, facing 700 years?

00:13:35.000 Yeah, but you look at them and you go... I mean, maybe on the classified documents one, there's something.

00:13:39.000 I don't know that one too closely.

00:13:39.000 I don't know.

00:13:41.000 But the other ones, like the racketeering case in Georgia, it seems everyone who's not a hardcore partisan Democrat understands what's going on there, I think.

00:13:51.000 I don't think that they get him on the documents because you have Judge Cannon in Florida who has now pushed the court date back and she said, you know, we're not going to do this on an accelerated schedule.

00:14:01.000 So that's just going to drag on for a while.

00:14:03.000 I think they have a better shot of getting him on the January 6th case because they've got a gag order slapped on him already, right?

00:14:11.000 And they're really going to go hard after him on that one.

00:14:13.000 They have a judge who has already with other January 6th cases

00:14:17.000 advocated for or issued sentences that are longer even than the Justice Department had asked for.

00:14:23.000 I think that's where they're I think they're gonna get him in that one and I think they I think they've a shot at

00:14:28.000 getting him in Georgia. I don't know. How would you describe

00:14:30.000 yourself politically if you would Aaron?

00:14:32.000 Traditionally left-wing.

00:14:34.000 And the meaning of that has changed in recent years, because now to be left-wing, you have to side with neocons to support proxy wars like in Ukraine.

00:14:41.000 Which is weird!

00:14:42.000 It doesn't make sense!

00:14:43.000 It comes full circle, they say.

00:14:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:46.000 So I'd say traditionally left-wing.

00:14:47.000 So that's why I think it's interesting, because based on your political views, where you are, are people calling you right-wing?

00:14:55.000 Have they been calling you right-wing for some time? 0.92

00:14:56.000 Yeah, ever since I started opposing Russiagate, which I thought was the dumbest thing of all time.

00:15:01.000 And it speaks to this issue we're talking about, this desperate effort to get Trump And also undermine any diplomacy between the US and Russia by calling him a Russian asset and all the conspiracy theories that came with that.

00:15:12.000 Ever since I started questioning, I was called right wing.

00:15:14.000 I was called an apologist for Trump, even though as a side, even like putting us, even if I didn't care about facts and being a journalist, which is what when you're a journalist, you're supposed to follow the facts no matter where they lead.

00:15:24.000 For partisan purposes.

00:15:26.000 Putting that aside, from a political point of view, I was also against it because I thought it was a big gift to Trump.

00:15:30.000 Because what's a bigger gift to Trump than trying to oppose him from the sole point of view, and this really was the obsession, of him being a Russian asset?

00:15:39.000 Like putting all your eggs into the basket of a crazy conspiracy theory.

00:15:43.000 I thought it was a big gift to him and the Republicans.

00:15:45.000 And so because I was opposed to that, I was accused of supporting Trump.

00:15:49.000 And then you were critical of a war in Ukraine.

00:15:52.000 And then I was, of course I was, because one of the reasons why I hated Russiagate was because it also promoted this neocon narrative that we should not have diplomacy with Russia, that Russia is responsible for all of our problems.

00:16:03.000 And it's a good thing to fight the war in Ukraine rather than resolve it with the peace accords that were on the table. 0.94

00:16:09.000 That's what Trump's first impeachment was about.

00:16:10.000 People forget this.

00:16:12.000 He was impeached for briefly pausing some weapons to Ukraine.

00:16:16.000 While allegedly pressuring Ukraine to investigate the Bidens.

00:16:19.000 And by the way, the case, if you looked at it, never had any actual evidence. 0.95

00:16:23.000 Trump did make some dumb comments in a phone call to Zelensky.

00:16:26.000 But the fundamental charge against Trump, that he was leveraging U.S. 0.93

00:16:30.000 weapons to blackmail Zelensky, there was never actually any evidence for it.

00:16:34.000 But what it did do was promote this Cold War narrative that we should be fighting this war with Russia.

00:16:39.000 Adam Schiff on the House floor when he was leading the impeachment said, That we aid Ukraine so that we can fight Russia over there and we don't have to fight Russia here.

00:16:47.000 And I remember thinking, is this what being a left-winger is now?

00:16:49.000 We have to support fighting a proxy war with Russia?

00:16:52.000 And look where it got us.

00:16:53.000 It got us into this all-out hot war over the last few years.

00:16:57.000 So one of many reasons why I thought Russiagate was a huge scam and a big danger.

00:17:01.000 And it's weird how all of these, like, I don't know how to describe it, but these weird authoritarian things align with what is described as the left today.

00:17:10.000 And if you are somebody who holds left economic views but criticizes the war machine or, like, Adam Schiff's statements and how they've gone after Trump, you are now right-wing, you are far-right.

00:17:23.000 They'll call you far-right for simply being like, well, Trump didn't do that.

00:17:26.000 Ah!

00:17:27.000 We got ya!

00:17:27.000 Yeah, they'll call you a Russian asset and they will look the other way or cheer on people being censored in the name of cracking down on so-called disinformation.

00:17:36.000 So look at, for example, the reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop before the election.

00:17:40.000 They rolled out the Russiagate playbook because some embarrassing emails from Hunter Biden's

00:17:44.000 laptop emerged.

00:17:45.000 And rather than let people look at the contents of the laptop and make up their own minds,

00:17:49.000 they censored it in the name of fighting Russia, which is, of course, another complete scam.

00:17:53.000 So that entrenched that playbook.

00:17:55.000 But I don't think it's inclusive to the left.

00:17:56.000 Now because of this conflict in Gaza, you're seeing plenty of Republican politicians calling

00:18:01.000 for censoring voices that support Palestinian rights.

00:18:05.000 You're seeing people called anti-Semites unfairly.

00:18:07.000 You're seeing college groups being shut down, like at Columbia, two groups just got shut

00:18:12.000 down for their Palestinian advocacy.

00:18:15.000 So I do think on both sides you have this.

00:18:19.000 Certainly during the Russiagate era, it was happening a lot on the liberal side and people like me were the target of it.

00:18:23.000 This is a crazy thing.

00:18:24.000 The Israel-Palestine issue has ripped both the left and the right in half in this really weird way.

00:18:34.000 It's pretty wild.

00:18:36.000 I don't necessarily know how this position starts, but There are these funny comics, Stone Toss is a comic, where it's like a communist with a Gilded Age oligarch, and they're both pulling the rope together, and there's a libertarian and a fascist pulling the rope together, like what is this?

00:18:54.000 What is this political debate that we're having?

00:18:56.000 And so what you end up with is, somehow, several years ago, People who were right-leaning or conservative in their values were moving towards pro-free speech.

00:19:09.000 People who were disaffected liberals or former Democrats are now agreeing with Trump supporters.

00:19:15.000 Trump was moderate.

00:19:16.000 Even Steve Bannon says he's a moderate in our movement.

00:19:18.000 No, no, no.

00:19:19.000 Vox.com called Trump a moderate back in 2015.

00:19:23.000 And so these, like, you look at Trump's bump stock ban.

00:19:25.000 He is not this far-right, you know, anarchist or libertarian or anything like these things.

00:19:30.000 So what's interesting is that as long as Israel wasn't in the debate, so Protective Edge happens, 2014, and then after that you get this period where there are people who are very critical of Israel and people who are very supportive of Israel, but as long as they're not talking about it, they're all working together, and the same is true for pro-Gaza or critical of Hamas, or pro-Palestine, I should say, and critical of Hamas, you've got now Hassan Piker and Ethan Klein, In this fight over this.

00:19:59.000 Let me pull this one up.

00:20:01.000 And we'll actually talk about it because this exemplifies things very, very well.

00:20:04.000 It was posted on Twitter.

00:20:04.000 We have this clip.

00:20:05.000 It's got half a million views.

00:20:07.000 LoftyPixel says, Ethan breaks down on stream after withstanding an unending barrage of 30,000 cultists in Hassan's chat spamming, Hamas are resistance fighters, and from the river to the sea, and Zionist pig perpetually for three straight hours. 0.71

00:20:22.000 Let me, uh, let me play this clip for you guys.

00:20:23.000 Sounds just like their Discord, actually. 0.99

00:20:25.000 And you know I'm not a fucking radical Jew. 0.98

00:20:28.000 I'm not even a religious Jew. 0.99

00:20:29.000 I have no fucking- I have no stake in the game. 0.98

00:20:33.000 And this is coming from Yeah, it's still playing. 0.98

00:20:40.000 I know, I know.

00:20:42.000 Ethan is now, he just gets up and leaves.

00:20:45.000 So then we have another clip.

00:20:47.000 There's a bunch of things that have been posted.

00:20:48.000 This is the quartering.

00:20:50.000 Posted this four hours ago. 1.00

00:20:52.000 Ethan Klein has Klein has epic meltdown after Hassan calls him stupid to his face. 0.99

00:20:57.000 We'll play this briefly. 1.00

00:20:58.000 Saying black lives matter doesn't insinuate that other lives don't matter. 0.99

00:21:02.000 It's in the f***ing phrase, bro. 0.99

00:21:05.000 I don't know what to tell you. 1.00

00:21:05.000 From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, also doesn't feature, from the river to the sea, we should destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. 1.00

00:21:14.000 You're the one who's saying that that is the secondary implication behind it. 0.99

00:21:19.000 Well, I think that... And then, of course, we have this clip.

00:21:22.000 This is from TooLazyToTry, where he posts this clip.

00:21:24.000 We actually... I couldn't find this one.

00:21:25.000 I don't know where he got this clip from, but it's Ethan Klein basically breaking this down.

00:21:29.000 I'll play a little bit of this so you can hear what he has to say.

00:21:31.000 Discord.

00:21:32.000 And what I saw in that Discord was universal, near-universal praise for Hamas. 0.74

00:21:40.000 Near-universal saying people deserved it. 0.98

00:21:43.000 People near universally calling me a Zionist pig and mass-murdering genocidal freak. 1.00

00:21:51.000 And if you want to know the truth, that shit fucked me up seeing that Discord. 1.00

00:21:55.000 Because it made me realize that a lot of these people are watching this show and it frankly disturbed me. 0.99

00:22:05.000 Listen, everyone in my periphery, everyone in my circle, all the leftists, uh, people that I watch, that I'm part of, that watch this show, because I consider myself part of that side, are all pretty much uncritically accepting of Hamas propaganda and un-f***ing caring about

00:22:26.000 the re-vision, re-writing of history right before our f***ing eyes about this stuff. 0.56

00:22:32.000 So I'm not seeing a lot of people, even though you might look at the popular media and say,

00:22:36.000 you know, everybody's supporting Israel.

00:22:38.000 This is, this is the, this is the breakdown in, in pop culture and modern culture.

00:22:43.000 So Ethan Klein, for those that are familiar, he's got H3H3.

00:22:46.000 They've been big for a really, really long time.

00:22:47.000 He's got millions of subscribers.

00:22:49.000 He has a big show.

00:22:50.000 Hasan Piker, of course, is the most prominent leftist streamer.

00:22:52.000 They do a show together called Leftovers.

00:22:54.000 And now they're feuding with each other over this one.

00:22:57.000 We saw Amy Schumer posting articles from Campus Reform, which is a conservative-leaning publication.

00:23:04.000 We are seeing mainstream celebrities being fired from their jobs for supporting Israel.

00:23:09.000 It is the weirdest thing to see someone like... You know what?

00:23:13.000 I just gotta say this.

00:23:15.000 Ethan Klein.

00:23:17.000 Is married to, this is correct Serge, an IDF veteran?

00:23:21.000 Yeah, everyone in Israel has to serve with the IDF, her name is Hila, yeah.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, and so obviously he's Jewish, he has connections to Israel.

00:23:29.000 When he started working with these other leftists, I'm just, look man, I, I, how do you not know the views of the people you're working with?

00:23:40.000 This is not new.

00:23:42.000 The leftist protests going back as far as I know were in support of Palestine, were very critical of Israel.

00:23:47.000 I feel like too many of these celebrities just said, I'll do whatever is popular, and now it's blowing up in their faces because they ended up saying, wait, wait, wait, hold on, I can't support that.

00:23:57.000 Not to mention, it's this really weird circumstance where you do have massive, massive popular support for Palestine, critical of Israel, but you have major corporations that aren't having none of it.

00:24:08.000 A lot of these celebrities are concerned they're going to lose money, they're going to lose jobs, they're going to get fired if they're critical of Israel.

00:24:14.000 But at the same time, if you're supporting Israel, you're getting fired too.

00:24:17.000 So it's like double cancel culture going on.

00:24:19.000 Who's gotten fired for supporting Israel?

00:24:20.000 Tara Strong.

00:24:21.000 Tara Strong.

00:24:22.000 She's a voice actress.

00:24:23.000 She got fired without notification because she was posting a bunch of stuff on Twitter like, I stand with Israel, people were kidnapped, and what Hamas is doing.

00:24:31.000 And then they abruptly post saying, we'll no longer be working with her on the show.

00:24:35.000 And she's like, one of the most famous voice actresses in the world.

00:24:40.000 I haven't heard of that.

00:24:41.000 My whole life I've seen people getting cancelled and smeared and fired for criticizing Israel.

00:24:45.000 So, I mean, no one should be fired for their political views.

00:24:48.000 I still think, though, the overwhelming trend is towards targeting people for being critical of Israel.

00:24:55.000 I do agree, and I think that's why a lot of these celebrities are just like, uh-oh!

00:24:59.000 This is why you're seeing a lot of people on the left calling out Black Lives Matter now, because these leftist institutions, these activist organizations that are critical of Israel, pro-Palestine, are unabashedly coming out and saying like, nah, we're in support of this.

00:25:15.000 And then it comes to an extreme degree where you have BLM Chicago posted the paraglider You had several rallies in New York where the activists were actually cheering for Hamas explicitly.

00:25:26.000 And I'm not saying Palestine. 0.64

00:25:27.000 They were saying things like those hipsters, you know, got kidnapped and taken.

00:25:31.000 I'm sure they're doing fine.

00:25:32.000 Things like that.

00:25:33.000 People are losing their jobs for that for sure.

00:25:35.000 And now you've got those Wall Street investors putting up a list of the people they will not hire.

00:25:42.000 Right.

00:25:43.000 They were saying that there are certain universities they won't hire from.

00:25:45.000 You have James Lindsay going out there saying don't hire college graduates, which is fascinating.

00:25:50.000 I mean, he's saying that for all of his very specific James Lindsay reasons, not just not like the Israel thing.

00:25:56.000 But yeah, you're seeing a lot of that the thing in New York and the thing with celebrities the thing with celebrities.

00:26:02.000 I think that a lot of it they were fine to criticize Israel and support Palestinians because they simply didn't have they simply didn't believe that an attack like this would happen. 0.87

00:26:14.000 And so I think this was like a visceral reaction to this attack, which is what like the worst one since since the Holocaust apparently it's like worse than the Yom Kippur War.

00:26:26.000 When people say it's worse than the Holocaust, I'm like, okay, but there's a dramatic difference.

00:26:31.000 The only thing that I care about is the zealotry.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, that's what I'm like, okay, okay, but there's a dramatic

00:26:36.000 huge difference 1,400 six million. Yeah, and so and so, you know, look

00:26:41.000 The issue here is the only thing that I care about is the zealotry is like you had

00:26:47.000 One individual I won't name calling for well not I would okay. I'll put this way

00:26:54.000 She said, the only reason not to nuke Gaza is because the fallout would affect Israelis, and I'm like, that's insane.

00:27:01.000 And then you also have people like BLM Chicago posting the paraglider, and I'm like, y'all people...

00:27:08.000 What's interesting about the BLM Chicago thing is that was BLM grassroots and BLM national was very quick to distance themselves from that group.

00:27:16.000 Of course they wouldn't have been last year.

00:27:18.000 Patrice Cullors has that famous line in 2015 where she said we must end... what did she call it?

00:27:25.000 End the project or whatever that is called Israel or something she called it.

00:27:29.000 But in New York, when you see activists pulling down American flags and putting up Palestinian flags and stuff, that's not a new sentiment in New York.

00:27:40.000 I mean, I lived in Bay Ridge, in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn for a long time, which is a very Arab neighborhood.

00:27:45.000 You know, I was often like the only white person basically at the grocery store.

00:27:50.000 And that neighborhood had pro-Palestinian marches and stuff.

00:27:56.000 Every couple of weeks every month or so you walk outside and see these big gatherings of people opposing Essentially opposing Israel and being pro-palestinian and that's in a neighborhood.

00:28:07.000 That's Very Arab, but it's also like got a lot of Jews in that neighborhood.

00:28:12.000 So I don't think I wasn't that surprised to see that Erupt and I was surprised at how many people there were but that is a long-standing sentiment coming out of Brooklyn for sure.

00:28:24.000 You know, putting aside the content of pro-Palestine expression, a lot of which I would totally 1.00

00:28:30.000 defend, I still think there's a huge power disparity.

00:28:33.000 We're talking about what some activists say or what some signs say.

00:28:36.000 When it comes to the media, when it comes to Congress, Rashida Tlaib just got censured 1.00

00:28:40.000 for endorsing the slogan from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, which I think is a call for

00:28:40.000 for endorsing the slogan, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, which I think

00:28:45.000 is a call for equality.

00:28:46.000 We could debate that if you want.

00:28:46.000 equality.

00:28:46.000 We could debate that if you want.

00:28:47.000 But regardless, meanwhile, you have people on the other side,

00:28:47.000 But regardless, meanwhile, you have people on the other side, Brian Mast, a member of

00:28:50.000 Brian Mast, a member of Congress, he's a Republican.

00:28:53.000 He's a Republican. He said that there's no distinction between

00:28:54.000 He said that there's no distinction between civilians and Hamas inside Gaza.

00:28:58.000 Lindsey Graham said we should level the place referring to Gaza.

00:29:02.000 Lindsey Graham called for bombing Iran.

00:29:04.000 I'm like, wait, hold on.

00:29:05.000 He's the worst guy in the Senate.

00:29:06.000 So you have people calling for mass murder inside Gaza and openly endorsing state terrorism,

00:29:12.000 saying there's no distinction between civilians and Hamas.

00:29:16.000 Rashida Tlaib, the one Palestinian-American member of Congress, does.

00:29:19.000 That's the power imbalance that I think speaks to what's going on.

00:29:22.000 What does that mean that she was censured?

00:29:24.000 What happened exactly?

00:29:25.000 It's a form of resolution.

00:29:26.000 You censure someone, you're basically reprimanding them for speaking out.

00:29:29.000 Is it like if they do it again, they get fired or something?

00:29:31.000 Well, it highly depends on the speaker.

00:29:33.000 It depends on party leadership.

00:29:35.000 So it's like a warning?

00:29:36.000 It's like an official warning or something?

00:29:38.000 It's like, we hear, besmirch your honor, haha!

00:29:38.000 It's a demerit.

00:29:41.000 But they don't lose anything?

00:29:43.000 Yeah, losing would have to come from an official action by the speaker or a party official.

00:29:50.000 So censure is mostly just like, we hereby declare that you have done a bad thing.

00:29:55.000 Yes, we have agreed you have done wrong.

00:29:57.000 However, there is when Marjorie Taylor Greene got stripped from all her committees and she 0.99

00:30:02.000 got booted.

00:30:03.000 So power disparity really just depends on the subject matter.

00:30:06.000 So I know you're specifically referring to the Israel-Palestine, and not necessarily any other subject matters.

00:30:11.000 I think the issue with this is, I gotta be honest man, you know, These are the rules that Rashida Tlaib wants to live by.

00:30:18.000 I have absolutely no problem with her being censured.

00:30:20.000 First of all, it doesn't really do anything.

00:30:22.000 It may be bad for her in the long run because clearly other members of Congress don't like her if they're willing to censure her. 1.00

00:30:30.000 My attitude when it comes to free speech has changed a bit from, I think it was very naive ten years ago, to say something like, we must defend the free speech even for those who disagree with us.

00:30:40.000 To where I'm now at, I'll defend the free speech for anybody who defends free speech.

00:30:44.000 Anybody who opposes free speech will get no defense from me.

00:30:47.000 So if Rashida Tlaib and the people she works with are fine with censorship of other people, I will not be rushing to her defense.

00:30:53.000 OK, you know, that's a fair point because you want moral consistency, but I'll defend anyone's free speech.

00:30:59.000 So as someone who does support that, I think it's fair to oppose her being censored, especially if we're trying to be consistent.

00:31:04.000 People saying it's not moral consistency.

00:31:06.000 Well, it is.

00:31:07.000 It is.

00:31:08.000 If we allow people who oppose free speech.

00:31:11.000 If there are two forces, and one side says, I will give you leeway, and the other side says, I will not give you leeway, then over a long enough period of time, the compromising party will lose.

00:31:24.000 And this is actually the argument made by the left.

00:31:26.000 They show that Karl Popper meme all the time about tolerating intolerance.

00:31:29.000 I think that's a little dry, but if I simplified it, If Rashida Tlaib says we must defend free speech, defended free speech on campus, denounced the violent riots and the attacks on people for various opinions, I'd be right now saying, like, we must defend Rashida Tlaib because we disagree.

00:31:45.000 So, for instance, like Cassandra McDonald, who's a good friend of mine, very critical of Israel, and she's adamantly pro-free speech.

00:31:52.000 And so I'm just like, I will absolutely defend Oh, I got it.

00:31:55.000 But how do you know that Rashida Tlaib is not pro-free speech?

00:31:57.000 Because I know of her also defending the rights of Julian Assange.

00:32:00.000 That, to me, is a free speech stance.

00:32:02.000 That's good.

00:32:03.000 I haven't seen any evidence that she's anti-free speech, except for that she's a Democrat, which I understand it's fair enough in these times to assume if someone's a congressional Democrat, they might have some anti-free speech views.

00:32:14.000 I think that's a fair assumption.

00:32:15.000 But in the case of Rashida Tlaib, I can't think of any evidence offhand that she's anti-free speech.

00:32:20.000 What have you seen from her?

00:32:21.000 Just going back over the past several years relating to various actions that have taken place in and around Congress and various stances and defenses from Congress pertaining to people like Marjorie Taylor Greene versus Ilhan Omar.

00:32:32.000 It is free speech when it's something I care about, and if I don't care, I'm not involved.

00:32:37.000 But to be fair, it would be prudent of me to, before saying something like that, have a list of examples.

00:32:44.000 My point isn't necessarily to single out Rashida Tlaib over this because I don't think she's like the epitome of a guilty party when it comes to not being in support of free speech.

00:32:53.000 I agree with them on the Julian Assange stuff.

00:32:55.000 And Rashida Tlaib has had several victories in the past, things that I agree with her on as well.

00:33:00.000 I'm just more so...

00:33:02.000 Censorship is not that big of a deal, but I agree with you on the power disparity for sure when it comes to Israel and mostly because the military-industrial complex and the lobbyists in this country absolutely want conflict, war, contracts, etc.

00:33:18.000 Lindsey Graham exemplifies it better than anything else when he says we should bomb Iran with or without evidence. 0.99

00:33:23.000 What's going on in Israel, I don't think... You know, we were asking... I forgot what we asked on the show about it.

00:33:29.000 Do you think it's religious?

00:33:30.000 Because there are some people who are deeply religious, and there's podcasts that have come out where they say things like, this could be the second, or depending on your religion, the first coming of the Messiah.

00:33:40.000 And so... And I know it sounds crazy, and there's a lot of people who don't believe this stuff, but there are very serious, prominent Christians and Jews who believe this may be the Messianic era, the Red Heifer, etc.

00:33:50.000 I get so pissed about that, because for the Israelis to claim it's a Jewish thing is putting all the Jewish people's lives at risk across the earth.

00:33:56.000 It is an Israeli thing.

00:33:58.000 But my point was...

00:34:00.000 We asked, you know, is it religious?

00:34:01.000 No, no, no.

00:34:02.000 At the highest levels, it's mostly just military expansion, oil, energy, etc.

00:34:07.000 The U.S.

00:34:07.000 has desperately wanted to go to war with Iran.

00:34:10.000 Having military assets in control in Israel is massively, massively beneficial to the U.S. 0.87

00:34:15.000 military interests in the region.

00:34:17.000 It was very difficult to invade Iraq.

00:34:18.000 It was very difficult to invade Afghanistan.

00:34:21.000 We struggled and failed in both these countries, but in Israel, the United States has a very powerful military foothold.

00:34:27.000 Not the same as... I'm not saying they have massive military bases the same as, you know, Afghanistan.

00:34:31.000 I mean, like, they don't need it when we're sending weapons and missiles and funding and things like that.

00:34:38.000 I totally agree that the U.S.

00:34:39.000 interest is geopolitical, and Israel's been a client state of the U.S.

00:34:42.000 since 1967 when it showed that it could smash Arab nationalism. 0.81

00:34:46.000 And after that, Israel became very favored by the U.S.

00:34:49.000 bipartisan establishment.

00:34:51.000 Now, though, you do have this phenomenon of these extremists or of these evangelical Christians who are a major base of support for Israel.

00:35:01.000 That is important, especially in some congressional races.

00:35:03.000 And you also have a pro-Israel lobby to AIPAC, which also can influence congressional races with their sway.

00:35:09.000 But the interest has always been the same.

00:35:11.000 It's just because also Israel has gone so much to the right and the face of it has become so clear, a lot of its former supporters have turned away from it.

00:35:19.000 Because it's not as easy as it used to be.

00:35:21.000 I'm Jewish.

00:35:22.000 I grew up in a Jewish community.

00:35:23.000 It used to be hard for people like me to hold the views which are critical of Israel.

00:35:27.000 Now, in my circles, nobody defends Israel anymore.

00:35:30.000 So hence they've had to find other basis of support, which is in the evangelical Christian

00:35:34.000 community. I find with like the left and the right spreading out, but also now shattering and like,

00:35:39.000 kind of almost like you see this, what's happening is if you think of the left and the right on a

00:35:43.000 globe and it's all around the equator, but it's twisting up.

00:35:46.000 Like when tensions get high, people become authoritarian, that's going up and then

00:35:49.000 libertarian would be going down.

00:35:51.000 So you go far to the left, but you're also twisting up, becoming more an authoritarian

00:35:55.000 leftist, which is like fight, do the thing, the river to the sea, or you're going to the right

00:35:59.000 and getting twisted up into an authoritarian rightist.

00:36:03.000 It smashed them all, the nuclear weapons in Gaza, and like, or you see the people's true colors come out in times of tension if they become more libertarian, like, we should not be committing more arms to this, to escalate it again.

00:36:15.000 And then there's some people that, you know, you see the whole globe, and they're like, well, we're in a military, we're basically controlling Earth's military right now, and Israel's a big part of that, if we let it go, That's going to be a big loss to the American military industry. 0.51

00:36:26.000 Let me tell you what's really fascinating to me is Ron DeSantis, he orders the dissolution of these student groups that state in their documents or whatever that they are not in support of the movement, they are the movement.

00:36:41.000 Ron says that they're asserting that they're Hamas, that they're not just activists.

00:36:45.000 And some of these, many of these people involved... Do they say we support the Hamas movement or just the resistance movement in general?

00:36:51.000 They said, the documents, I want to be careful because it did not say explicitly we are Hamas.

00:36:55.000 It said the people who engaged in these fights are freedom fighters and we are part of that movement as Palestinians in exile.

00:37:03.000 Okay, so they're saying that they support resistance.

00:37:05.000 But I mean... Was that the student voices for Palestine?

00:37:10.000 It was whatever Ron banned.

00:37:11.000 Ron's argument was, if you are claiming to be a part of this movement, this group, then you can't be a student group because that violates the law, okay?

00:37:20.000 You can't be actively trying to support a terrorist organization.

00:37:23.000 You're gone.

00:37:24.000 What was interesting is Vivek Ramaswamy came out and said, no way!

00:37:28.000 These are students engaged in free speech, I actually talked to him, Vivek, very briefly and I was like, yeah, but did you read it?

00:37:36.000 They said they're not support of the movement, they are the movement. 0.92

00:37:39.000 And he said, students saying stupid things is not the same thing as supplying terrorist organizations or providing material support. 0.98

00:37:45.000 Ron should not be shutting these people down. 0.99

00:37:47.000 And then actually on the debate stage said the same thing.

00:37:50.000 I have tremendous respect for that because Vivek was not just easily swayed by this argument.

00:37:54.000 Many people on the right who are in support of Israel were saying like, oh yeah, but look, they say they are, you know, they're effectively saying they are Hamas.

00:38:00.000 Because that's actually, my first instinct was, don't ban the group.

00:38:04.000 Oh wait, they're saying they're Hamas?

00:38:05.000 Okay, well now it's getting interesting.

00:38:06.000 Then Vivek pushes back and says, no way, free speech.

00:38:09.000 So I think it's interesting, I think it's troublesome that we are definitely seeing there are many people who are pro-Israel that would be on the right that are not for free speech.

00:38:21.000 And I think we have to be careful of, I certainly think it's more so on the left than the right, but opportunists who would claim to be for free speech and then at a moment's notice try and ban the speech of someone who speaks at hand.

00:38:32.000 They become authoritarian, man, and you see it in the heat of the moment.

00:38:35.000 I don't want to put, you know, I really don't want to put Shapiro on blast.

00:38:38.000 Ben, I love you.

00:38:39.000 Return my phone calls.

00:38:40.000 I'll stop putting you on blast.

00:38:42.000 No, I haven't actually called him yet.

00:38:44.000 But like, it shocked me how quickly he was screaming about annihilating a bunch of humans after his, and I, fear can do that to somebody, you know?

00:38:52.000 And if he was, when you're the military commander, you don't have time to think.

00:38:54.000 What do you mean by that?

00:38:55.000 He came out pretty early on, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he was very much like, we need a swift, strong counter-offensive, and we need to put this to bed.

00:39:04.000 Ben's been pretty adamant that the killing of civilians is a tragedy.

00:39:09.000 The difference between him and the typical left is that he's in support of Israel's military actions, which is resulting in a lot of civilian dead.

00:39:15.000 His argument, and I don't mean to argue for him, he can speak for himself, but his argument is more so that there's a difference between Hamas flying over and targeting people at a music festival and Israel targeting military leaders and killing civilians in the process.

00:39:29.000 However, he has also said the killing of any civilian is a tragedy.

00:39:34.000 Jeremy Boring also said the death of any Palestinian civilian, woman or child, as well as Israeli, are tragedies in an equal sense.

00:39:42.000 So, I'm not trying to defend what Ben is saying, I'm trying to clarify his position.

00:39:45.000 He's not saying just go around killing people.

00:39:46.000 It was the way he came out and said it.

00:39:48.000 I guess it was the day of or the day after the attack, October 8th or was it the 9th, when he spoke out publicly about it.

00:39:54.000 I didn't see him talking about like, well, what happened?

00:39:57.000 Why did the attack happen for six hours?

00:39:59.000 Why was there no IDF response in six hours of this just raping and pillaging that these Hamas members were doing? 0.98

00:40:07.000 Why was there no defense?

00:40:07.000 I didn't hear any of that from Ben.

00:40:09.000 It was just very much like, we need to go in!

00:40:11.000 They've done it to us, now get them!

00:40:12.000 And it was like, That was a quick twist to authoritarian, and if he had his finger on the button, that's a temper I don't like.

00:40:21.000 My view would be very simple.

00:40:23.000 If someone attacks you, stop them.

00:40:25.000 Bring them to justice.

00:40:27.000 However, I can see the arguments that are happening now are much, much, much different, right?

00:40:31.000 You know, your video, you're talking about ceasefire.

00:40:33.000 I think the amount of destruction that's happening in Gaza is exceeding what I would describe as proportional.

00:40:42.000 Yeah, yes.

00:40:43.000 I'm trying to keep it very, very, very plain.

00:40:46.000 Yeah.

00:40:47.000 The axiomatic line, you have to say, if you support Israel, is that Israel has the right to defend itself.

00:40:54.000 And in the abstract, yeah, of course, someone has the right to defend themselves.

00:40:57.000 But what do we mean by that defense?

00:40:59.000 So if this is October 7th, and they're being attacked by Hamas, Absolutely, you have the right to defend yourself. 0.94

00:41:05.000 But this isn't October 7th anymore.

00:41:07.000 Now this is a month-long operation, a carpet bombing of Gaza.

00:41:11.000 As we're speaking, more than 11,000 killed, more than 4,600 children.

00:41:15.000 I gotta push back on the carpet bombing.

00:41:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:17.000 Technically, I think it's not technical carpet bombing because it's targeting specific areas and then there's just collateral damage.

00:41:22.000 Carpet bombing would be...

00:41:24.000 It's a massive bombing of a densely populated area.

00:41:28.000 It is, yes.

00:41:30.000 And what's missing from this discussion is an acknowledgement that before October 7th, things weren't all peachy.

00:41:39.000 Israel's been occupying Gaza and the West Bank for decades, since 1967.

00:41:43.000 And what is Gaza?

00:41:44.000 The majority of it is refugees and their descendants, people who were expelled, ethnically cleansed by Israel in 1948.

00:41:51.000 And a country that is occupying someone else doesn't have the right to defend itself in order to perpetuate that occupation.

00:41:58.000 If they're being attacked on October 7th, I understand you defend your people.

00:42:02.000 But after that, Israel's only obligation is to end the occupation. 0.53

00:42:06.000 They don't have the right to bomb people because they live in an area where some militants fought back.

00:42:11.000 Well, the first thing I would say is...

00:42:15.000 I typically am just at a loss for words in terms of the moral arguments between two political bodies that are not the United States and that have like nothing to do with me and what I want or my taxpayer dollars.

00:42:31.000 And where we don't really speak those languages.

00:42:33.000 It's like hard to figure out.

00:42:34.000 I'm like, people are like... But we're paying for it though, we're giving the weaponry.

00:42:37.000 Right, so my issue is like, you gotta justify why we're doing that, and why we spend our tax dollars, why everyone in this country is working so hard dealing with, you know, stagnant wages and high cost of goods, and then someone's gonna come and say, we're gonna give Israel whatever they want. 0.80

00:42:54.000 I'm like, listen.

00:42:55.000 I certainly don't want Israel to be destroyed. 0.80

00:42:57.000 I don't want Jews to be targeted and killed. 0.95

00:42:59.000 I don't want Palestinians dying.

00:43:00.000 But there's a war over there, so I'm just like, the moral arguments, well, Israel was there and they were doing this, I'm like, look man, that means, it means nothing to me, right? 0.94

00:43:09.000 So, if an argument was, hey, you're an American, you pay taxes, do you have a good answer for why it is a large portion of your savings are diluted through this policy of just mass spending, deficit spending, and giving foreign countries military aid?

00:43:23.000 It's like, I don't really know.

00:43:25.000 Then maybe we shouldn't do that.

00:43:26.000 I know why it is for Israel. 0.53

00:43:27.000 But if the argument is, Israel is morally bad for these reasons, but wait, what about the Palestinians, Hamas, they did these things and the people in Gaza support it, I'm like, well that's a debate for the people who are at war with each other and not for the United States. 0.55

00:43:40.000 It's interesting though, I mean if you, like I was reading an article in the Washington Post today about the pre-planning of the attack on October 7th, and apparently it was like years in the making and there were Yeah, it was like two years in the making and there was I mean, it's sort of fascinating the the planning because they the intentions according to this article were to go for for the for the attackers to get all the way to the West Bank.

00:43:40.000 How about that?

00:44:07.000 That was part of their goal and also to sort of show some defiance to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

00:44:16.000 And also they were, they had two, it was like they had two books, two sets of books.

00:44:21.000 They had like the two sets of communication.

00:44:23.000 They had the communication with each other and the communication that they knew Israel was listening to.

00:44:28.000 So it was very organized.

00:44:31.000 But just to go back to what we were talking about with the Students for Justice in Palestine, that is a national movement.

00:44:37.000 They have chapters on campuses all over the country.

00:44:41.000 And they're not a not-for-profit, and the National Organization is not a not-for-profit.

00:44:44.000 They are umbrellaed by an organization called the Westpac Foundation in Westchester.

00:44:50.000 So they are able to take tax-deductible contributions.

00:44:53.000 And when those students are saying that they are the movement, it's not a grassroots... Students for Justice in Palestine is not a grassroots organization.

00:45:00.000 They said Palestinians in exile.

00:45:02.000 Like, they're saying they're actual Palestinians who are in support of Sure, I think they're probably accurate with that. 1.00

00:45:07.000 And that student group, as well as Jewish Voices for Peace, was also banned on the Columbia University and Barnard campuses.

00:45:15.000 Really?

00:45:16.000 What?

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:21.000 They staged a national strike on Thursday, and there was some upsetness on the campus, and there were some sit-ins.

00:45:30.000 So those groups were banned on the Columbia campus as well.

00:45:33.000 I just, I'm like... But it is part of like a national organization, so it isn't just like banning, you know, it isn't just saying like, hey, you formed this student group and you, you know, got funds from the Student Action Committee or whatever.

00:45:47.000 It is part of a national, very organized group that has funding that we can't track because they have an umbrella group and they are basically an NGO.

00:45:56.000 Oh, ban corporations from protesting on campus, I'm open to that.

00:45:59.000 I'm not advocating for or against, I'm just giving information.

00:46:02.000 I do not believe that morality is determined based on the strength of a single party.

00:46:07.000 So, we'll get as specific as we can.

00:46:09.000 Israel-Palestine.

00:46:10.000 Israel is not wrong because they're more powerful than Palestine. 1.00

00:46:13.000 Israel wins a conflict, and that doesn't mean they're morally right or wrong.

00:46:17.000 Two different groups of people are fighting for a variety of reasons, and they believe they're right and they're justified.

00:46:23.000 Many people would agree with one side or the other and they'll make those arguments here in the United States and then fight about it.

00:46:27.000 My view is kind of like, don't know, don't know why I'm paying for it, and just because Israel is more powerful doesn't mean they're inherently bad. 0.54

00:46:35.000 If two groups are fighting, I don't know what you want to do about it.

00:46:39.000 There's really interesting conundrums as it pertains to how you deal with these things.

00:46:42.000 Let me give you a scenario and ask, like, there's no good way to do a one-for-one analogy, but an example would be, there is a mass shooter in a mall, Unloading an AR-15 at a bunch of buildings, at a bunch of different storefronts, and he's hitting several people.

00:46:59.000 A man runs up, aims his weapon at the shooter to stop him, but he's standing in front of a crowd of people.

00:47:05.000 Is the answer, do not shoot at him because you will also hit the people behind him.

00:47:08.000 Jeez.

00:47:10.000 I'm not saying I know what is right or wrong, I'm saying if the issue is... It's the trolley problem, too.

00:47:16.000 But the analogy to me is flawed, because Hamas right now is not a threat en masse to the people of Israel.

00:47:24.000 And also, again, before October 7th, Israel was occupying Gaza.

00:47:28.000 So if, for example, what does that mean, occupying?

00:47:31.000 They had it besieged.

00:47:32.000 They had completely cut it off from the world.

00:47:33.000 You couldn't, if you're in Gaza, you're stuck there for life. 0.74

00:47:36.000 You can't leave.

00:47:36.000 Israel controls everything you do.

00:47:37.000 What about Egypt?

00:47:38.000 Well, they had the- Egypt also was participating in the blockade.

00:47:41.000 Right, so it's not just Israel, it's Egypt too.

00:47:42.000 But it's under Israeli control.

00:47:44.000 Israel has a list of everybody there.

00:47:46.000 Israel even calculated the amount of calories that people could eat without fully starving.

00:47:51.000 But that's how we control- But they were also allowing all the money

00:47:53.000 from Qatar to go in, like $30 million.

00:47:55.000 Netanyahu was allowing Qatar to pop up Hamas because he saw Hamas as a way to undermine international calls for a two-state solution.

00:48:04.000 Because even though Hamas in recent years actually tried to moderate its position and say they accept a Palestinian state in the occupied territories.

00:48:12.000 Netanyahu rightly saw their internal divisions and the divisions inside the Palestinian factions as a way to undermine calls for a two-state solution.

00:48:19.000 So yes, Netanyahu, and he said this at a meeting, it was quoted, he said, the way to stop a Palestinian state is to prop up Hamas.

00:48:28.000 The Hamas leaders, according to this article I read today, I don't have a ton of information on this, But the Hamas leaders were saying that they were advocating they were saying like, oh, we're comfortable with peace.

00:48:39.000 We're happy with the situation as it is as they were planning the attack.

00:48:43.000 It was like a like a diversion tactic.

00:48:45.000 Listen, I think there's a split inside Hamas.

00:48:46.000 And I think from what I understand and a lot of the details of October 7th are still murky.

00:48:52.000 We don't know exactly, I think, the proportion of people, for example, who were killed on

00:48:56.000 the Israeli side who were military.

00:48:58.000 I don't deny there were civilians killed in horrible atrocities, but we also don't know

00:49:01.000 how many people were killed by Israeli fire because we know that Israeli helicopters fired

00:49:06.000 on some of those areas where the Hamas people were inside the Israeli kibbutzim, and some

00:49:11.000 of those people were burned alive.

00:49:13.000 And I don't think Hamas rockets could cause that.

00:49:15.000 I could be wrong, but what I'm saying is there's a lot we don't know about October 7th.

00:49:18.000 We do know there were atrocities by Hamas.

00:49:20.000 That is clear, but a lot of the details are still unclear, and also what the goals were of this operation, and there's a split inside Hamas.

00:49:27.000 There are people inside Hamas who didn't even know about this, and there are people inside Hamas who... Well, the political leaders, right?

00:49:33.000 There are people inside Hamas who advocated accepting a Palestinian state within the West Bank and Gaza.

00:49:37.000 Other people rejected that.

00:49:38.000 So I think it's hard to describe the movement as a monolith.

00:49:41.000 The question would be, who started the fight?

00:49:44.000 Well, I think the fight was started by Israel in 1948 when it was founded on ethnic cleansing. 0.72

00:49:49.000 Well, that's the war.

00:49:50.000 Well, okay.

00:49:51.000 So this round of the fight, you could say, yes, Hamas did. 0.97

00:49:55.000 But again, these are not two equal sides.

00:49:58.000 What does equality matter in war?

00:50:00.000 Well, because if you're apportioning blame, and you have one side that's occupying another, that's preventing people from leaving, from living normal lives... Egypt?

00:50:10.000 Egypt was participating in the blockade.

00:50:13.000 But Israel's occupying... Egypt could open up the Rafah Crossing and say, everyone, you're free to... They could let everyone flee, but then that's a dilemma, because then you're basically accepting Israel's ethnic cleansing goals. 0.78

00:50:21.000 Israel wants to drive all those people out, which it's doing now. 1.00

00:50:24.000 And so Egypt, yes, Egypt was totally complicit So both Egypt and Israel are at odds with each other, and the Gazans are caught in the middle?

00:50:32.000 Yes, but again, Israel is the occupying power. 0.89

00:50:34.000 Israel controls everything that gets into Gaza. 0.90

00:50:38.000 The fuel, the medical supplies.

00:50:40.000 Wait, Israel won't allow Egypt to allow things in?

00:50:44.000 Egypt, being a U.S. 1.00

00:50:46.000 client state, which gets a lot of money from the U.S.

00:50:48.000 and doesn't want to do anything to defy the U.S., basically obeyed orders.

00:50:52.000 And so yes, Egypt has plenty of complicity. 0.75

00:50:56.000 Kind things to say about them.

00:50:57.000 But Israel is the power that displaced all these people in Gaza to begin with, has occupied them, has besieged them, has routinely attacked them.

00:51:06.000 This is not the first Israeli attack on Gaza.

00:51:08.000 There's been many.

00:51:09.000 And all this has been done with the goal of solidifying Israeli settler colonialism, which goes back to Israel's founding.

00:51:16.000 So in terms of who started the fight, I think it starts with Israel and it's their obligation. 0.97

00:51:20.000 So you said 1948.

00:51:20.000 Yeah.

00:51:20.000 What started that fight?

00:51:23.000 Well, then you have a Zionist movement recognizing that there are people inside the land of Palestine which they want to colonize.

00:51:31.000 Jabotinsky, who was an early Zionist leader, said Zionism is a colonizing project.

00:51:35.000 Lord Balfour, who was the British official who promised a Jewish homeland in Palestine, said that...

00:51:41.000 With that letter, he said, I'm paraphrasing him, he said, we're going to go ahead with this because even though, yes, this isn't an inconvenience or it's a hindrance to the Arabs who live there, but this Zionist project is more important. 0.94

00:51:54.000 And so when you deny people the right to nationhood in their own land, there's going to be a problem.

00:51:59.000 And Israel accomplished that with ethnic cleansing. 0.86

00:52:02.000 That's not a dispute now.

00:52:02.000 And then in 1967, Israel then brings millions of more people under occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.

00:52:08.000 And ever since then, it's been this current phase of outright military occupation.

00:52:12.000 And yes, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.

00:52:15.000 But really, that was just the occupation, just in a different guise.

00:52:18.000 So my view on this is the fight didn't start in 1948, right?

00:52:23.000 OK, I mean, the fight just goes back ad infinitum to the dawn of time, basically to

00:52:29.000 the to the to the years of biblical legend.

00:52:32.000 It goes before that.

00:52:33.000 Yeah, it goes well before that.

00:52:34.000 Before the kingdom of Judea even existed, there were the Canaanites.

00:52:37.000 So my thing is just like... According to the Bible.

00:52:39.000 According to the Bible.

00:52:40.000 No, no, no, no, not according to the Bible.

00:52:41.000 According to, like, genetic history, 90,000 years there have been hominids living there.

00:52:45.000 90,000 years.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, and like, I'm not talking about the Bible.

00:52:47.000 I'm talking about the fact that, like, Jews lived there thousands of years ago.

00:52:51.000 At the start of the 20th century, the percentage of Jews in Palestine I think was maybe 5%, maybe even less than that.

00:52:59.000 And then you had, and I understand this because I know my history of Jewish people, a lot of persecution.

00:53:05.000 and that increased support for this idea of a Jewish homeland, which certainly ramped up

00:53:10.000 with the Nazi Holocaust. So you had a huge migration in the 20th century of Jews to Palestine.

00:53:14.000 But before that, though, you had times when Jews and Palestinians were living in relative peace,

00:53:21.000 and the conflict only comes with the Zionist project, with this attempt to colonize Palestine.

00:53:24.000 I heard that when Balfour, Arthur Balfour, signed the Balfour Declaration during World War I and

00:53:29.000 basically screwed the Arabs out of Palestine, they were like, hey, Arabs, betray the Ottomans, 1.00

00:53:33.000 and we'll give you that land.

00:53:34.000 The Arabs were like, okay, they betrayed the Ottomans, the British won the war, and then the British were like, psych, we're keeping it for ourselves. 0.94

00:53:40.000 That is what led to the Germans hating the Jewish people leading up to World War II.

00:53:44.000 So it created all this, they were like, they stole it, the Zion, they created a land of Israel, like these Jewish, so that's where all this German hate came from. 0.96

00:53:52.000 It's just something I heard recently and it made total sense.

00:53:55.000 But like, what a screw-over!

00:53:56.000 They lost World War I because of the land.

00:53:58.000 Sure, but there were like pogroms in the Middle Ages.

00:54:01.000 It's been going on for thousands of years.

00:54:03.000 Way even before.

00:54:04.000 But the modern German sentiment came.

00:54:06.000 Yeah, I mean there was all this stuff also in the Middle Ages.

00:54:09.000 Jews in Europe, for the most part, were not allowed to own property.

00:54:14.000 And so that's why you have such a, that's why you ended up with a history of Jews involved in banking and lending.

00:54:20.000 It's because they weren't allowed to own property.

00:54:22.000 So they had to find some other way to make an income.

00:54:25.000 I'm just thinking, like, what's the solution?

00:54:28.000 Well, listen, for me, ideally, it would be equality for everybody, because I don't believe in the supremacy of any ethnicity, even though there's a big history of persecution of Jews.

00:54:37.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:54:38.000 So that's my ideal, but the international consensus has long been a two-state solution.

00:54:42.000 And so that would be like the West Bank and Gaza being connected by that little travel corridor or something?

00:54:47.000 And remove all the Israeli settlements. 0.99

00:54:49.000 Why should somebody from... Settlements where? 0.96

00:54:52.000 In the occupied West Bank.

00:54:54.000 Why should somebody from Brooklyn have more rights than the people who've lived there forever?

00:54:59.000 They took all the settlements out of Gaza. 0.95

00:55:00.000 I mean, they evicted... Yes, they did.

00:55:02.000 And they put Gaza under a medieval blockade.

00:55:06.000 But what I'm saying is they took all the settlements.

00:55:08.000 Yes, they did.

00:55:09.000 But none of that means anything.

00:55:10.000 Because right now there are people who live in houses and they're not party to what you're describing.

00:55:15.000 Someone maybe like moved in later and got a house and they live somewhere.

00:55:18.000 The kibbutzes in Israel that got attacked, some of these people are just like, I bought a house, I don't know. 1.00

00:55:24.000 So what would happen, do you think, if the barriers around Gaza were completely removed and Israel said all people of Gaza are free to move about the state of Israel?

00:55:34.000 Well, if Israel did that, and they finally took responsibility... I'm saying, what if they just moved the barricades and said, everyone, you're free to move as you please? 0.93

00:55:42.000 Well, at this point now, people are so destitute, they'd be looking for water and food.

00:55:48.000 So after you shorted that out, and people actually got their basic needs, which Israel is depriving them of... Look, I've been to Gaza.

00:55:55.000 I've been to the West Bank.

00:55:56.000 People just want to live in peace and freedom.

00:55:59.000 Would the people go back to the land they believe belongs to them and their ancestors?

00:56:02.000 Unless Israel tried to have a just resolution to that, which also is the international consensus.

00:56:08.000 Palestinians have the right to return.

00:56:10.000 They were removed.

00:56:11.000 Now, you could argue now that's no longer feasible.

00:56:13.000 It's true.

00:56:13.000 I'm not giving up my home now to an indigenous person, even though an indigenous person lived there, I'm sure, before and were ethnically cleansed a long time ago.

00:56:22.000 So we recognize that historical injustice has happened, and you have to find a way to redress it.

00:56:29.000 To address it in a fair way.

00:56:30.000 But the problem is Israel has never accepted responsibility. 0.84

00:56:33.000 But it doesn't matter because you can't.

00:56:34.000 Well you can at least accept responsibility for the ethnic cleansing. 0.97

00:56:38.000 Here now we acknowledge that this land was created on stolen indigenous land. 0.81

00:56:44.000 Israel can do the same thing.

00:56:45.000 We don't acknowledge that?

00:56:46.000 I don't acknowledge that at all.

00:56:47.000 Is it everywhere though?

00:56:49.000 No chance.

00:56:50.000 I do for what it's worth and many people in there do.

00:56:52.000 Manhattan was paid for legally. Okay, let's not debate that.

00:56:56.000 The point is, if you accept the historical truth that there was ethnic 0.53

00:56:59.000 cleansing in 1948...

00:57:01.000 But people don't, they're just... Okay, well, then you can go to the Israeli 1.00

00:57:04.000 archives and read all about it. Benny Morris, who's the top Israeli historian,

00:57:07.000 who supports this project, says it was a good thing, says it didn't go far enough.

00:57:11.000 His term is ethnic purification.

00:57:13.000 But none of that matters.

00:57:14.000 Well, it does matter because if Israel took responsibility for it, finally, and said, we stole your homes, we're sorry for it, now we have a problem where we have all these people here, we've built up a state, we're not going to let everyone come back, but we will compensate for you and apologize. 0.92

00:57:27.000 That could be a starting point.

00:57:28.000 That does not solve the problem.

00:57:30.000 Well, so the alternative is what?

00:57:32.000 Permanent occupation?

00:57:33.000 I'm not saying I have a solution, I'm saying the idea... So this is what I'm proposing is take responsibility, apologize, and remove all the settlements from the West Bank. 0.96

00:57:40.000 And so that means there are people who are there who have no idea, like... Yes.

00:57:45.000 They got a house and they moved in and they were like, wow, we're moving into a house and now it's like the government's gonna come and take their land from them.

00:57:50.000 Yes.

00:57:50.000 And then you know what they're gonna do?

00:57:51.000 They're gonna say my land was taken from me by the government in some ridiculous deal that I don't agree with.

00:57:56.000 And then they're gonna start... Except there's something... There we go.

00:57:59.000 Under international law, you cannot build up territory you've acquired by force.

00:58:03.000 It's a pretty basic premise.

00:58:04.000 But is the government doing it?

00:58:07.000 And so a civilian who gets a house... Yes. 0.70

00:58:10.000 What happens to them and their property and their net worth and their... I am not saying what's happening there is good.

00:58:15.000 Put them back in 1948 Israel, which again... Doesn't matter. 0.98

00:58:18.000 That means nothing.

00:58:19.000 Well, Israel has... You can't go back and say, well, back then someone... I'm saying right now... Israel has recognized international boundaries.

00:58:26.000 Right now... Nobody recognizes... He's talking about the geography of what it was in 1948.

00:58:29.000 But that doesn't mean anything.

00:58:30.000 Nobody recognizes Israel's... You're not going to take someone's house from them.

00:58:34.000 It's not going to work.

00:58:35.000 You're going to get bloodshed.

00:58:36.000 Well, first of all, Israel takes Palestinians' homes all the time.

00:58:38.000 And it's bad, and it's bloodshed.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, all the time.

00:58:40.000 And so right now, if the argument is...

00:58:44.000 Equality for all and everyone can return.

00:58:46.000 Okay, then what's going to happen is... That wasn't my argument.

00:58:49.000 You said... Ideally for me, ideally I said it should be equality for all because I believe all people are created equal.

00:58:55.000 So why wouldn't I support that?

00:58:56.000 But it's not practical.

00:58:57.000 I agree with that.

00:58:58.000 It's not practical.

00:58:58.000 Because the implication is the right of return.

00:59:01.000 Yes.

00:59:01.000 There's land now where Israelis live.

00:59:03.000 Yes.

00:59:03.000 And the Palestinians would get to return to that land.

00:59:06.000 Displacing the people I'm saying you recognize the right and you now Just because you recognize a right that doesn't mean you fully implement everything that comes with it You at least though you have to if there's a historical injustice and it's still causing so much Okay, but listen, you have to at least recognize and right and so if Israel came out and said yes, we stole your land. 0.93

00:59:25.000 Yes Yes, we occupied you and you and we're not gonna give it back You think that's going to be like, well, we're cool.

00:59:31.000 Thank you very much.

00:59:31.000 Well, listen, I understand why Palestine would never accept that because their land was stolen from them.

00:59:36.000 If you meet so many Palestinians still have the keys to their homes. 1.00

00:59:39.000 I'm trying to think of a practical solution to this horrible problem.

00:59:43.000 And ideally, I think everyone should have the right to come back to their homes because I do believe in equality.

00:59:49.000 If we accept, though, that Israel has these recognized boundaries and Israel's nuclear weapons, And so the idea of getting them to accept equality is pretty impractical, then at least at minimum, the very minimum that we should do is recognize the historical injustice that's happened to Palestinians and then work within that to find a solution. 0.56

01:00:05.000 And to me, it's based on international law.

01:00:07.000 These settlements have no right to be there.

01:00:09.000 Remove all of them.

01:00:10.000 But what right?

01:00:11.000 What does that mean?

01:00:12.000 You can't build up your population in territory you've stolen.

01:00:15.000 But that's the history of the world.

01:00:16.000 So Jews are not indigenous to the Middle East?

01:00:19.000 I know there's been a small Jewish population in the Middle East for a long time, but do I look like I come from the Middle East?

01:00:26.000 I mean, you meet many Jews.

01:00:28.000 They're from Ukraine.

01:00:29.000 They're from Eastern Europe.

01:00:31.000 How far back do we go to restore?

01:00:35.000 If someone came to your house holding up a Bible and saying, hey, my family lived here 3,000 years ago or 2,000 years ago, does that give you a right?

01:00:42.000 But does that give them a right to come and take your home?

01:00:44.000 Because that's basically like the Zionist... 0.99

01:00:45.000 So what is the time frame then, 50 years?

01:00:47.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 I mean, we're in this modern era of the United Nations.

01:00:52.000 Israel was recognized by the UN within certain borders, not within the West Bank and Gaza.

01:00:57.000 So if you give it 50 years then, if it's 50 years, then give it 50 years and then there'll

01:01:01.000 be total peace.

01:01:02.000 You're right.

01:01:03.000 Okay, so I agree.

01:01:05.000 Let's say in 50 years we'll just call the land the land and we're done.

01:01:08.000 And then it's peaceful and everyone's happy.

01:01:10.000 You're asking me for solutions right now.

01:01:12.000 The issue is I think...

01:01:13.000 What I'm proposing is a historic compromise.

01:01:15.000 And I'm not sure Palestinians would even accept it because their land is all of Palestine. 0.63

01:01:19.000 They were there.

01:01:20.000 They were ethnically cleansed. 0.98

01:01:21.000 We're asking them to accept 22% of historic Palestine. 0.91

01:01:25.000 And Israel, with U.S. 0.85

01:01:26.000 backing, are such fanatics, they couldn't even give Palestinians that. 0.99

01:01:30.000 All these claims that Palestinians have been offered a generous peace deal of the state, it's all a lie. 1.00

01:01:36.000 Israel's never been willing to give up control of the major West Bank settlement.

01:01:39.000 That's the problem here.

01:01:40.000 What do you think about Burma?

01:01:41.000 What do you think about Burma?

01:01:42.000 Yeah.

01:01:43.000 I don't have a strong opinions about Burma.

01:01:45.000 Why do you think?

01:01:45.000 How about Azerbaijan and Armenia?

01:01:47.000 That's a fascinating situation.

01:01:48.000 I think that was a horrible thing that happened.

01:01:51.000 I'm also not as familiar with it.

01:01:52.000 I'm just like I don't understand why people are just like Israel. 1.00

01:01:58.000 110 percent, everything about it, all the time.

01:02:00.000 And I'm just like, bro, I'm sitting here in America, like, I don't know why we're involved in this.

01:02:03.000 It's because the U.S.

01:02:04.000 is funding it.

01:02:05.000 Yeah, but the U.S. 0.70

01:02:05.000 provides funding to our media. 0.70

01:02:06.000 Oh my goodness.

01:02:07.000 Hey, did you know this?

01:02:08.000 Insurgencies have been going on in Myanmar since 1948!

01:02:13.000 And there's several hundred thousand dead since then.

01:02:15.000 Yes!

01:02:15.000 And this year alone, I think it's been twice.

01:02:17.000 There's communist insurgencies.

01:02:19.000 Is there one U.S.

01:02:19.000 politician or corporate media pundit who goes on TV and No, I agree!

01:02:24.000 That's the point!

01:02:25.000 The point is, like, why?

01:02:26.000 Why is it Israel? 1.00

01:02:27.000 Because we're responsible for it, and because the injustice is so... I bet you could figure out a way that we're responsible for Myanmar, too. 1.00

01:02:32.000 I'm sure you could.

01:02:33.000 I'm sure that we had our hands in there somewhere.

01:02:35.000 All I'm saying is, like, we need to get back to America first, and I'm sure at the bare minimum, like, There are many people who I see are very critical of Israel, and I'm like, I don't know what that's all about, and I don't want to get into a moral argument.

01:02:47.000 Should the U.S.

01:02:48.000 stop funding everything outside of the United States and go back to securing its borders, building up jobs here, helping the working class, maybe fixing some of the pipes in the roads and infrastructure?

01:02:56.000 We can agree, because the people were like, stop funding Israel! 0.90

01:02:59.000 And I'm like, stop funding everything?

01:03:01.000 But what about Puerto Rico?

01:03:02.000 Puerto Rico, not a state, but should we stop funding them?

01:03:04.000 No, Puerto Rico's awesome.

01:03:05.000 Puerto Rico, so Israel's kind of like a client state of the U.S.

01:03:08.000 No, it's a territory.

01:03:09.000 What do you mean?

01:03:09.000 I mean, it's technically a country, but it's used like a client state.

01:03:12.000 It's a territory of the United States.

01:03:13.000 They're American citizens.

01:03:14.000 They have an American identity.

01:03:15.000 No, Puerto Rico is.

01:03:15.000 Puerto Rico.

01:03:16.000 I'm saying Israel.

01:03:17.000 Israel is a client state. 0.61

01:03:17.000 Did Puerto Rico become a state? 0.61

01:03:18.000 No.

01:03:19.000 No, no, no.

01:03:19.000 That's not what I mean.

01:03:20.000 How come?

01:03:20.000 Maybe.

01:03:21.000 It's interesting.

01:03:22.000 They vote on that every now and then.

01:03:23.000 Defunding Israel would be like defunding Puerto Rico.

01:03:25.000 I don't think they want to be states.

01:03:26.000 I don't think so either.

01:03:26.000 Because of taxes.

01:03:28.000 In the minds of the media and the people that are running the government, defunding Israel would be like defunding Puerto Rico.

01:03:34.000 They use it like a client.

01:03:35.000 No.

01:03:35.000 Well, I see what you're saying, but the thing about Puerto Rico is that the U.S.

01:03:38.000 has a ton of territorial islands, and they're all not going to become states.

01:03:42.000 There's a lot of complicated legal nonsense pertaining to the creation of a new state, whether Puerto Rico should become a state.

01:03:48.000 And the big issue right now is I don't think the U.S.

01:03:50.000 is actually able to solve its own regional problems with, like, greater Idaho and Northern California.

01:03:55.000 That's a fascinating situation too.

01:03:57.000 The Oregon counties that want to secede.

01:04:00.000 Bringing Puerto Rico in as a state would further destabilize an already tumultuous situation in the United States.

01:04:06.000 So that's why I say maybe in the future, but for now.

01:04:08.000 But let's do this.

01:04:09.000 Let's shift into some domestic politics and we'll get off yelling about Israel again.

01:04:14.000 I love domestic politics.

01:04:16.000 Here we go!

01:04:17.000 Outrage as San Francisco boots vagrants off streets ahead of Xi Jinping visit as California Governor Gavin Newsom admits Woke City was only given polish to impress world leaders.

01:04:28.000 Oh, we got the clip for you.

01:04:29.000 I'm going to play it because it's hilarious.

01:04:30.000 Here we go.

01:04:31.000 I know folks say, oh, they're just cleaning up this place because all those fancy leaders are coming into town.

01:04:37.000 That's true.

01:04:39.000 Because it's true.

01:04:40.000 But it's also true, for months and months and months prior to APEC, we've been having different conversations.

01:04:48.000 Alright, so here's what I want to say.

01:04:50.000 Imagine having a roommate, there's pizza boxes everywhere, the dishes are all dirty, there's grime everywhere, and you go, dude, I'm paying rent too, clean up your mess.

01:04:59.000 They're like, I'll do it, man, chill.

01:05:02.000 And then one day, the dude freaks out and is like, dude, my mom's coming over, and starts cleaning up.

01:05:07.000 You'd be like, WTF, man.

01:05:09.000 You'd be so mad.

01:05:11.000 Like, I'm glad you're cleaning up, I'm glad you're cleaning up, but you should have cleaned this place up a long time ago, and this proves you could have done it.

01:05:19.000 I guess the difference in the analogy is, the argument is, oh, it's so hard to deal with, and how do we help these people, and then what do they do?

01:05:26.000 They put a bunch of horse troughs along the street to block tents?

01:05:29.000 Did they go at 4.30 in the morning with fire hoses and hit them all?

01:05:32.000 Because they've done that before.

01:05:33.000 They did that in Atlanta before the Olympics, remember?

01:05:35.000 They sprayed people down.

01:05:36.000 There's a video of it you can find.

01:05:38.000 I mean, it is full-on fire hosing people's tents and destroying... In New York a lot of times they just give people a bus ticket and they're like, get the hell out of here.

01:05:46.000 What's up with that fire?

01:05:47.000 That homeless encampment?

01:05:48.000 That in L.A.?

01:05:49.000 That fire?

01:05:50.000 It was like a massive fire and it also melted the freeway and the freeway is now unusable.

01:05:56.000 Honestly, that's happened so many times.

01:05:58.000 Remember during the pandemic, like I would literally be driving around LA and there'd be usually be on the highway somewhere, there'd be a fire underneath an overpass.

01:06:04.000 It's like a regular thing that I saw many, many, many times.

01:06:06.000 I was driving out of DC last week with my son and he was in the car and he was just like, Whoa, what's with all these tents?

01:06:14.000 Why are there all these people just sleeping out here in the street?

01:06:17.000 And I was like, that's our nation's capital, hon!

01:06:19.000 That's what we got going on with so many people.

01:06:22.000 Earlier you mentioned, like, we're all created equal.

01:06:24.000 You were talking about equality and, like, being there for all of us.

01:06:27.000 But how do you deal with this excess of humanity that lives off of the tit or just is, like, sick and they just live on the street?

01:06:33.000 Like, what are you, what's your proposition?

01:06:35.000 I don't refer to unhoused people as the excess of humanity.

01:06:37.000 The people who are excess of humanity, the people who are destroying this earth, the warmongers, the people who are using populations as sacrificial lambs and killing them, like Israel's doing, like what's happening in Ukraine. 0.76

01:06:49.000 But basically, I connect this to foreign policy.

01:06:51.000 Instead of spending all this money on arming Israel and also arming Ukraine, why can't we build homes for people who need them?

01:06:58.000 Well, I like that, but that's not a solution.

01:07:02.000 I used to work for a homeless non-profit.

01:07:04.000 The first question I have to ask is, why is a person homeless?

01:07:06.000 And it's typically not because they're poor.

01:07:09.000 There's other underlying factors that result in them being poor.

01:07:11.000 That's what I mean by the excess of humanity.

01:07:12.000 People that have gone broken in their heads.

01:07:14.000 Right.

01:07:14.000 So the issue is, if you take a homeless person and put them in a house, House falls apart, house burns down, electrical problems, plumbing problems, maintenance, taxes, property taxes.

01:07:24.000 You can't just make a house and put somebody in it.

01:07:27.000 Okay, so give them services too.

01:07:29.000 Like, fund social services to support people who need it.

01:07:32.000 And now here's where I'll agree with you.

01:07:34.000 I would love to apply a wealth tax, but only to the military industrial complex corporations.

01:07:42.000 I would love to strip the wealth and tax at 100% all the warmongers and take all of their money and literally, I would totally be okay with this, hand it out in cash to random homeless people.

01:07:57.000 But then they wouldn't be making profit.

01:08:00.000 I am saying I would rather a crazy homeless guy walking around just spitting and have $100,000 in cash stuffed in his pockets if it means the military-industrial complex is not funding and starting more needless nonsense wars.

01:08:15.000 We'd be way less in debt.

01:08:16.000 I'm bullish on the military-industrial complex these days.

01:08:19.000 Think about the economic boom of all the homeless people buying cheeseburgers and sub sandwiches.

01:08:24.000 So when I said excess of humanity, I just mean that I'm finding that some people have either gone totally psychotic due to drugs or like lack of connection with humanity and they've just gone into wild feral mode.

01:08:36.000 Like what do we do? 0.95

01:08:37.000 And they don't want, they shit on the street, they don't want to get a job, they don't want to take a shower, they're looking for their next fix, they carry sharp blades on them. 0.99

01:08:45.000 Like what do we do about this? 0.97

01:08:47.000 Well, a lot of people would say also that those people who are, you know, living rough, as you would say, or sleeping rough, that they should be allowed to do that.

01:08:55.000 That they shouldn't have to be forced into society's way, right?

01:08:59.000 Like, shouldn't there be a place where people who don't want to conform to society's standards can exist differently?

01:09:06.000 Okay, then what we do is- You probably shouldn't be on the city streets.

01:09:10.000 We go to Wyoming, and we take like 400 acres, and then we say- You're just like, here.

01:09:15.000 After a certain amount of time of you being unhoused in this area, you will be given a structure in the middle of Wyoming, and best of luck to you.

01:09:23.000 That would be an interesting, weird Kafkaesque scenario.

01:09:26.000 That would lead to some serious Shirley Jackson-style novels coming out of there. 1.00

01:09:32.000 Sounds like gulags.

01:09:33.000 Sounds pretty weird.

01:09:34.000 I didn't say they were forced to stay there.

01:09:36.000 I'm saying we give you a house.

01:09:37.000 What do you mean?

01:09:37.000 Here's a bus ticket.

01:09:39.000 Here is a structure for which you can live, but it's in Wyoming.

01:09:41.000 You can leave whenever you want.

01:09:43.000 There's an interesting thing too, like in, you probably saw this in Chicago over the weekend, some people who were in Chicago, illegal immigrants from Venezuela, they were like, we don't like it here, it's cold and we can't get work.

01:09:54.000 They're going back.

01:09:55.000 Right?

01:09:55.000 And they're like, we're going home.

01:09:56.000 And in New York, the governor at, governor, Mayor Adams turned Floyd Bennett Field basically into a tent city and so some people were moved out of their shelters and they went to this tent city in Floyd Bennett Field and they got off the bus and they were like, we don't want to be out here.

01:10:12.000 It's out like it's the old JFK Airport.

01:10:14.000 Let me ask you, Erin, you said unhoused.

01:10:16.000 And they just want to go home.

01:10:17.000 What does that mean?

01:10:18.000 Why do you say that way?

01:10:19.000 That's the term now for homeless people.

01:10:20.000 But why?

01:10:20.000 That's the new politically correct term, Tim.

01:10:23.000 Get with it.

01:10:24.000 I'm asking because you use it.

01:10:26.000 I'm just doing what I'm told.

01:10:28.000 That's the term, so you know.

01:10:29.000 But as somebody who has done advocacy for the homeless, I think it's offensive.

01:10:33.000 Really?

01:10:34.000 Okay.

01:10:34.000 Yeah, I think what the left has done is try to sweep the problem under the rug, exemplified by exactly what the Democratic supermajority of Los Angeles does every single time the issue comes up.

01:10:45.000 Not in my backyard.

01:10:47.000 They all stand up and they scream, look at San Francisco, look at the problems of homelessness.

01:10:52.000 And then what happens?

01:10:53.000 Xi Jinping's showing up?

01:10:54.000 Shove it all under the rug.

01:10:55.000 Every policy I've seen.

01:10:57.000 Did you know that there are more empty houses than there are homeless people?

01:11:01.000 And I'm like, what are you saying?

01:11:02.000 You want to just take a homeless person and put them in a house? 0.98

01:11:04.000 You're doing?

01:11:04.000 You're shoving the problem under the rug.

01:11:05.000 You're saying, we don't want these people to be seen in our streets.

01:11:08.000 Stick them in a house somewhere.

01:11:09.000 Well, now the naive might be like, no, no, we're giving them a house.

01:11:13.000 Sure.

01:11:13.000 But anybody who owns a house knows how difficult it is to maintain a house.

01:11:17.000 Everybody knows.

01:11:18.000 Well, not everybody agrees with property taxes, but property taxes exist for a reason for supporting the roads and the community and the schools and things like this.

01:11:26.000 The average homeless person is not homeless because they're like, you know, I just lost my job and now I'm, you know, in hard times and if only I had an opportunity.

01:11:34.000 Those people certainly exist.

01:11:35.000 What I encountered when it came to homeless people, having worked for various homeless non-profits and advocacy non-profits, is young people who choose to be homeless, but they want to be, There's a group in Seattle called the Avrats, train hoppers, people who are in their late teens early 20s who are intentionally homeless and you would never get them into a house. 0.59

01:11:57.000 And then we encountered like 80% of the homeless people are mentally unwell to the point where If you put them in a house and did not have a worker who was maintaining that house and caring for them, the house would probably burn down.

01:12:09.000 Burn down or flood.

01:12:10.000 They'd turn the stove on maybe, or they'd turn the water on.

01:12:14.000 You know, we had an issue where... This is scary stuff for homeowners.

01:12:18.000 Water was left on and the drain wasn't going down.

01:12:21.000 And then after like 30 minutes, all of the ceiling of the basement, or I shouldn't say all, but like 30% destroyed just because the drain wasn't going down properly and it poured over the sink.

01:12:33.000 I'm like, that's crazy.

01:12:34.000 So we've dealt with all of this, like, uh-oh, we put a homeless guy in a house, he turned the bathtub on, it overflowed, the house got flooded, destroyed everything, the house is unlivable.

01:12:43.000 If he stays there, he'll die.

01:12:45.000 What do we do?

01:12:45.000 Well, we lost that house.

01:12:46.000 It's really, you know, it is the whole house thing.

01:12:48.000 Like, I've lived in apartments the whole time.

01:12:51.000 And now I have a house.

01:12:52.000 And recently, like, you know, there's been like an issue here or there. 0.96

01:12:55.000 And I'm like, damn it, I really, I really wish I could call the super. 0.93

01:12:59.000 Wish there was a landlord. 0.98

01:13:00.000 Wish I could call the super in this building and be like, hey, this isn't working.

01:13:04.000 You need to come up and fix this, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:06.000 Anyway, my point is it was it was always really frustrating for me when I'm like, wow, we've raised X amount of dollars to help the homeless.

01:13:12.000 What are we doing?

01:13:13.000 Mental health programs.

01:13:14.000 The shelters are actually not houses.

01:13:16.000 They're like beds and community centers.

01:13:18.000 It is so hard to get them to come.

01:13:20.000 Why?

01:13:20.000 No freedom.

01:13:21.000 Can't do drugs.

01:13:22.000 You can't drink.

01:13:23.000 And some of these guys just can't think properly.

01:13:26.000 There was one guy I remember encountering who had a bottle of wine he was trying to open.

01:13:29.000 It was corked and he wasn't I don't even know what he was doing.

01:13:32.000 And I was like, hey, man, you all right?

01:13:33.000 And he goes, oh, but dad, Baba.

01:13:35.000 And I was like, There's nothing I can say to this man, and I don't want to get into it, because you know what happens?

01:13:40.000 He might get agitated, he might get angry, and then we got a situation, so I'm out, I'm out.

01:13:44.000 So what would you propose as a solution?

01:13:46.000 I mean, you've worked with this community directly, so what would you support?

01:13:50.000 So, any sheltering that we have to do, and this is the big challenge.

01:13:55.000 The answer is always going to be a level of force.

01:13:59.000 Meaning, if someone is a recurring homeless person living in an area, they are forcefully detained.

01:14:05.000 They are taken from the area and said, you cannot live on the street.

01:14:09.000 It is creating disease.

01:14:10.000 We saw the emergence of typhus in California because of the expansion of the homeless population.

01:14:15.000 It is a detriment to you, it is a detriment to us, and why do we stop people from doing certain drugs?

01:14:20.000 Same argument.

01:14:21.000 You're going to harm yourself and others.

01:14:23.000 I'm actually in favor of most drugs being legal to varying degrees, so this is tough.

01:14:28.000 And the serious and difficult position is, should the state arrest, and I don't mean like criminally arrest, I mean like...

01:14:37.000 Restrict the movement of, and forcefully detain, a person who is persistently homeless.

01:14:43.000 And if you want to solve the problem, that's what you have to do.

01:14:47.000 What San Francisco does, and many of these other places do, is they'll load them up on buses and send them somewhere far away.

01:14:53.000 And then just cross their fingers the problem doesn't come back.

01:14:56.000 How did San Francisco deal with the homeless problem?

01:14:58.000 Well, all I know is, video one shows a bunch of tents, video two shows a bunch of horse troughs full of water, blocking where the tents used to be.

01:15:06.000 Which likely indicates the government came by force, removed all the tents, kicked everybody out, destroyed everything, and then put up these horse troughs so Xi Jinping could come here in peace.

01:15:14.000 I don't think that's good.

01:15:16.000 All they're doing is saying, F you to the homeless people.

01:15:18.000 But, if we made community, uh, communal Shelters, where if you're persistently homeless, you will be brought, you can't leave, then we're talking about some kind of, it's going to require a due process system, it's going to require legislation, and unfortunately, either you remove these people forcefully and place them somewhere where they will be under better control, or you do what San Francisco did and just boot them out and then have them wander somewhere else.

01:15:46.000 Here's my proposal.

01:15:47.000 My proposal is this.

01:15:48.000 Let's put all the effort that we put into warmongering, funding these proxy wars in

01:15:53.000 Ukraine, funding Israel to bomb people of Gaza.

01:15:56.000 Let's put all the money we put into that into a huge effort to give people shelter and give

01:16:02.000 people the social services and support they need because, as you say, a lot of people

01:16:07.000 are dealing with serious mental illness issues, drug addiction, trauma.

01:16:12.000 Let's try to address that first, and if that doesn't work, if after we actually do a war-like effort, like a huge effort, if that doesn't work, then okay, I think you have an argument for using some coercion.

01:16:21.000 I completely disagree.

01:16:22.000 Because you don't go far enough.

01:16:23.000 The warmongers should also be put up on stage and everyone gets the point and laugh at them as their wealth is taken from them.

01:16:33.000 I think that there are definitely some things that should be done in order to prevent homelessness, even as difficult as it is to solve homelessness.

01:16:41.000 There should be housing for kids that age out of foster care.

01:16:46.000 You should get somewhere to live if you're 18 and you're no longer in the foster care system.

01:16:52.000 Like those people, like if you come out of foster care, you're 18, you're not going to college, you have no money, you have no resources.

01:16:59.000 The real solution- The city should help you get a house, like somewhere to live.

01:17:01.000 The real solution- So that you're not homeless.

01:17:03.000 It's a cultural issue.

01:17:05.000 And I think the real problem is humans will not accept what this is going to become.

01:17:12.000 That's just it.

01:17:13.000 You mean like the whole- There is no acceptable moral position in the homelessness problem we are facing right now That any group would be okay with.

01:17:23.000 That's just it.

01:17:25.000 Forceful relocation and arrest of homeless is shocking and terrifies people.

01:17:29.000 Because how do you enact that system?

01:17:31.000 Well, there's what?

01:17:32.000 A person gets arrested accused of dereliction and then they're brought before a judge to prove whether or not they're destitute and then you don't have enough money so now you're going to be locked up or something?

01:17:41.000 That's terrifying and scary.

01:17:42.000 Some people choose to be vagabonds and they're not the same as a person who's taking a dump on the sidewalk.

01:17:47.000 You're going to get arrested?

01:17:47.000 But what?

01:17:48.000 It's a horrifying circumstance.

01:17:50.000 The other thing is, with the degree of homelessness we've seen in L.A.

01:17:54.000 and in San Francisco and Sacramento, it has gotten so bad with the human waste.

01:17:58.000 Again, this is five years ago.

01:18:00.000 The re-emergence of typhoid and bubonic plague starting to emerge in California.

01:18:05.000 And so what happens?

01:18:07.000 You're going to get Hunger Games or Elysium-style world where the ultra-wealthy will build bridges between skyscrapers so they don't have to go onto the ground level where all the feces and disgust is, or the government comes and sweeps everybody out, which, pick your poison, both are dystopian and horrifying.

01:18:24.000 What do you think about reopening the mental institutions?

01:18:27.000 That's been talked about by the Republicans during the debates.

01:18:29.000 Donald Trump was talking about that, yeah.

01:18:32.000 You know, I don't know enough about that, but I do know that people definitely need support, and there has to be a humane way to do that, and the people who work on the ground are the best advocates for that and the best experts on that.

01:18:42.000 I know plenty of people who work with the unhoused who have all kinds of ideas and talk about the needs that people have and how they're not being addressed because there just isn't the funding for it.

01:18:51.000 So, how about we try that first?

01:18:53.000 How about we try to put some serious effort into this issue, treat it more seriously, than we do treating the need to fight foreign wars and bomb people. 0.78

01:19:04.000 I gotta stop with the unhoused thing, dude.

01:19:05.000 Do a real effort.

01:19:07.000 The unhoused thing is, like, I think it's leftist doublespeak to manipulate public policy positions because you don't, like, define house, right?

01:19:19.000 So what we're saying is somebody who lives in some kind of structure, but it's not a house, so they're unhoused.

01:19:23.000 What's a home, right?

01:19:25.000 It's saying unhoused is applying a material position and like a resource number to what a person is required to have.

01:19:33.000 I'm personally not offended by the term homeless.

01:19:34.000 I'm fine to use it, but given that that's what people who I know who work on this issue use, I just follow their lead.

01:19:40.000 Unhoused?

01:19:40.000 You don't need a house.

01:19:42.000 You can live on someone else's couch and be homeless.

01:19:47.000 When you say someone's unhoused, it's the implication that they should be housed.

01:19:52.000 But why shouldn't they be housed?

01:19:55.000 You deserve a house? 0.97

01:19:57.000 You deserve a home, somewhere to live.

01:19:58.000 A home is different from a house.

01:19:59.000 Okay, sure.

01:20:00.000 I'm happy to call it unhomed. 1.00

01:20:02.000 You know, it's a semantic thing.

01:20:03.000 No, I think it's just, I think it's manipulative doublespeak to control a narrative and shift, and gradually shift positions towards... I know dudes that... Give people houses.

01:20:10.000 Or people that have slept on the street that say, I have a home, and it's right over there on 5th Avenue, so don't call me homeless.

01:20:16.000 And I'm like, well, you're sleeping out in the open, and it's like, yeah, but that's my home, so I'm not homeless.

01:20:20.000 If you rent your friend's couch, are you homeless?

01:20:21.000 No, you have a home.

01:20:22.000 It's your couch that you're sleeping on.

01:20:23.000 But you're unhoused.

01:20:24.000 Technically not.

01:20:25.000 You would be unhoused, yes you would.

01:20:27.000 I don't like this manipulative doublespeak where they change language and change the definitions.

01:20:30.000 Yeah, you don't need paperwork to have a home or a house.

01:20:33.000 You just need to literally have some sort of housing.

01:20:35.000 But the issue ultimately comes down to, what do you say to a man of sound mind who chooses to not have a home and live outside?

01:20:40.000 Don't poop on my street! 0.96

01:20:42.000 That's number one.

01:20:43.000 I watched a homeless person from my window one time poop on my car

01:20:46.000 I called the police and I said hey, I don't know if this concerns you. There's a person pooping on my car

01:20:57.000 What should I do? And they were like you got a hose? Yeah, and I was like, no, I don't got a hose

01:21:03.000 And they were like, well, you might want to get a hose Sooner than later, because that stuff's acrylic.

01:21:08.000 Yeah, it wasn't good.

01:21:09.000 It was unpleasant.

01:21:09.000 Acidic.

01:21:11.000 If somebody makes the choice to not have a home and they're so resourceful and so skilled that they can live out in the world like that, I say respect.

01:21:21.000 I mean, good for you.

01:21:22.000 That's amazing.

01:21:22.000 I could never do that.

01:21:24.000 But in a tent.

01:21:24.000 Say it again.

01:21:25.000 In a tent.

01:21:26.000 Sure, yeah.

01:21:27.000 But I don't think that's what most...

01:21:29.000 I don't think most people who live on the streets, I don't think it's a choice.

01:21:32.000 I think they're put there by circumstances beyond their control.

01:21:35.000 When I worked for the Shelter Network, I did, 80% was a choice.

01:21:39.000 Really?

01:21:39.000 80%?

01:21:39.000 80%!

01:21:39.000 Do you understand why that's hard to believe?

01:21:43.000 Because you've never worked in the industry and you have no idea what you're talking about.

01:21:48.000 I did spend a summer working with the unhoused population.

01:21:53.000 You think a guy who's... It sounds like you have more experience than I do because I just spent one summer It's just like, go to California, go to L.A., some areas in Westwood, I know UCLA's up there, so they push a lot of this stuff out.

01:22:07.000 But I remember going to a shopping center somewhere, where was I?

01:22:10.000 Somewhere near Hollywood, slightly west of Hollywood, and it's like five homeless guys all living up against the side of a building, and a lady gets out of the tent, walks in the middle of the street, just takes a dump.

01:22:19.000 And when you go to them and be like, We got a bed, we got a private room, and they say, F you!

01:22:25.000 Because the shelters are terrible.

01:22:27.000 They've all probably had terrible experiences.

01:22:28.000 And some of them are houses.

01:22:29.000 Some of them are full houses, a five-bedroom house.

01:22:32.000 And you'd go to someone and be like, how would you like keys to a house and a bedroom?

01:22:36.000 And they go, you got a manager there?

01:22:37.000 I'm like, we do.

01:22:38.000 Never gonna happen.

01:22:39.000 We're like, well, I don't know what to tell you, man.

01:22:41.000 Okay, so look, I can't extrapolate based on that that that applies then to the majority of the community.

01:22:47.000 You can make the argument.

01:22:48.000 Maybe you're right, but regardless, why not try at least?

01:22:51.000 Why not give the opportunity?

01:22:51.000 What do you think all these non-profits are doing?

01:22:53.000 Well, I think they're working within a very tough system to do what they can, but they don't have the resources.

01:22:57.000 Because we're spending all our money on wars, so there's not enough to give people.

01:23:02.000 I don't know if it's a one-for-one, but I would agree with not spending money on wars, and at least... And giving a shot!

01:23:07.000 No, I'm gonna tell you, I'll tell you this.

01:23:09.000 I would take every single penny from every single warmonger, and I would give it to one homeless guy who couldn't think straight.

01:23:16.000 Because I'm just like, I can't stand this.

01:23:19.000 We're better off!

01:23:20.000 We're better off, because in the long run we save money if we're not engaging in these garbage wars for no reason.

01:23:23.000 We can legitimately print, 3D print, graphene homes for people, but the key is to get them in, to get them to want to take a shower and join the system when people are already checked out of the system.

01:23:33.000 We had some people who would stay in, there were forever shelters and there were temporary shelters.

01:23:38.000 And if you were a consistent temporary shelter individual, they could upgrade you or move you to the permanent shelter.

01:23:43.000 There were legitimate people that I have met who were like, man, I lost my job and I have no friends and I don't know how to do anything.

01:23:50.000 Like, you give me a job, I'll do whatever it takes.

01:23:52.000 These people have recovered.

01:23:53.000 But these people don't exist as much in, like, the reason why homelessness tends not to be that is because those people will, given the opportunity, leave instantly.

01:24:02.000 A guy's homeless for two weeks, the shelter comes up and says, we want to help you.

01:24:06.000 He goes, please, I'll take whatever you got.

01:24:09.000 Three months later, he's sharing an apartment with some other guys, a couple hundred bucks a month, no longer a homeless problem.

01:24:15.000 But the reason why most homeless people you see in the street are there is because they want to stay there and don't want to leave.

01:24:20.000 In Chicago, for instance, they use these bridges to make little villages.

01:24:24.000 And they, in between each pillar, there's like, so the way it works is there's sidewalk, and there's an elevated portion with pillars.

01:24:31.000 And they set up beds in between each section.

01:24:34.000 You will never get them to move.

01:24:36.000 Jane's right there.

01:24:37.000 John's across the street.

01:24:38.000 This is my town.

01:24:39.000 And so, they're covered in urine.

01:24:41.000 There's feces everywhere.

01:24:42.000 They dump in the streets.

01:24:43.000 And you show up and say, we want to help you.

01:24:45.000 And they go, help with what?

01:24:47.000 We want to give you a home and help you get out of the situation.

01:24:49.000 I like my situation.

01:24:50.000 Have a nice day.

01:24:50.000 Leave.

01:24:51.000 And so now we have the problem of, like in California, tents everywhere.

01:24:54.000 In D.C.

01:24:55.000 it's happening.

01:24:55.000 Tents everywhere.

01:24:56.000 And it's leading to needles in the streets.

01:24:59.000 We went to, man, it's so brutal.

01:25:01.000 It was this really nice little historic town in Maryland.

01:25:03.000 And there were, I took a picture, syringes and condoms on the ground.

01:25:06.000 And I'm like, it's because we've become, and this is why I say there's no moral answer.

01:25:12.000 Americans do not want to accept that you need some kind of, like, harsh force and authority when it comes to what people are doing in public.

01:25:21.000 Yep, that's what I come down to, man.

01:25:23.000 It used to be people wearing suits everywhere they went in the early 1900s.

01:25:25.000 And hats, too.

01:25:27.000 And hats.

01:25:27.000 Don't know about all that!

01:25:29.000 But there was heavy, heavy social and police enforcement.

01:25:33.000 You're walking around drunk in public, they would lock you up.

01:25:37.000 They still do, sort of, to this day, depending on the degree of drunkenness, but most people just ignore it now.

01:25:41.000 In my experience, people who are dealing with addiction and mental illness and other really self-harmful behavior are dealing with trauma, something really bad that's happened to them from a very, very young age.

01:25:53.000 And what I would want to do in any kind of effort to alleviate homelessness is address that.

01:25:57.000 I agree with you that providing shelter and a home is not a panacea.

01:26:03.000 One size fits all policies.

01:26:04.000 They have to come with addressing the issues that make people destitute and desperate in the first place.

01:26:10.000 And a lot of that has to do with suffering terrible experiences from a very, very young age or at some point in their lives.

01:26:17.000 Cultural shifts.

01:26:18.000 Psychological trauma.

01:26:20.000 And if you deal with that, then you might be able to have the kind of shift that I think you're talking about.

01:26:25.000 I can't vouch for your statistics.

01:26:26.000 I mean, you've worked... I'm talking about one city, by the way.

01:26:29.000 I'm not talking about like every city in the country or everywhere I've been.

01:26:32.000 But you're saying that if you went around to all the people in LA and offered them a home, a place to live, the majority would not accept it?

01:26:41.000 Absolutely, no question.

01:26:43.000 I mean, look, and worse still, you might get physically hurt.

01:26:47.000 And it's not because every single homeless person is violent.

01:26:49.000 I'm saying it's because there's a viral video of a homeless guy.

01:26:53.000 Did you guys see this video?

01:26:54.000 He had the knife and he was swinging at the lady who lived in the building. 0.99

01:26:58.000 Because some people are crazy. 0.80

01:27:01.000 And if you have 3,000 homeless people and you go around asking each and every one of them, you eventually counter someone who gets agitated and crazy. 0.79

01:27:07.000 They're scared because, I mean, they'll take your stuff from you.

01:27:12.000 They'll try and control you.

01:27:13.000 They'll take away your drugs.

01:27:14.000 They'll tell you what you can and can't do, they'll tell you when you can go outside and when you can't go outside.

01:27:18.000 So nobody wants to be in these situations.

01:27:20.000 But if you tell someone, we've got a place for you to sleep, you can get cleaned up, they'll say okay, and then they'll start using it to amplify the negative behaviors that were causing the problems in the first place.

01:27:29.000 Well then I'd want to know why they have that drive to perpetuate their negative behaviors.

01:27:33.000 Why do people do drugs?

01:27:34.000 I would bet in 100% of cases it's because of trauma.

01:27:38.000 Because they've suffered something horrible in their lives and this is their way of dealing with it.

01:27:41.000 You know, we can see that for people of privilege when they have an issue that's self-defeating.

01:27:45.000 They have some sort of adverse childhood experience that they're not dealing with.

01:27:50.000 So I want to know in every case, what caused someone to be so self-harmful to themselves and other people?

01:27:55.000 And I have a friend who volunteers every Saturday with homeless people in L.A.

01:28:00.000 and he has a different picture of the community he serves than you've had.

01:28:04.000 And I'm not trying to, you know, negate your point.

01:28:07.000 You have your experience and I respect it.

01:28:09.000 I just think certain things that would need to happen to address this issue haven't been tried.

01:28:14.000 I try to interface with the broken people one-on-one and it's not scalable.

01:28:18.000 After I really emotionally connected with like 50 broken humans, I started to go insane and I had to stop.

01:28:25.000 I almost killed myself because it was so much pain.

01:28:27.000 I had to empathize with so much pain.

01:28:29.000 So that's not sustainable.

01:28:30.000 And then I'm just like, should we just be like those?

01:28:33.000 Sometimes humans walk so far psychologically, they just walked off a cliff.

01:28:36.000 Now they're feral and we got to treat them like wild animals.

01:28:39.000 Or can every human be reached?

01:28:41.000 I think that's a possibility, but why shouldn't we do all we can to try?

01:28:45.000 Why not?

01:28:45.000 We put so much effort into war, why can't we try to do everything we can to save people?

01:28:52.000 It is our incessant need to try and help, actually, which is what's contributing massively to the problem.

01:28:59.000 And what I mean by that is, we have created a society where we've enabled mass homelessness through these programs.

01:29:05.000 If there was no food, and no one gave them food, then they would just simply stop.

01:29:10.000 And it's like, the argument now, as I said, there's no moral answer humans would be willing to accept.

01:29:17.000 There's activist groups like Food Not Bombs, and they're like, did you know it's illegal to give homeless people food?

01:29:23.000 It's really funny because you have these signs in the forest everywhere saying, do not feed bears, they'll become dependent and dangerous.

01:29:29.000 Yet, you also have left-wing activists who are like, we should set up a bunch of food and give food out to people.

01:29:33.000 Which is also particularly offensive.

01:29:35.000 As I have actually, having been an unhoused person several times in my life, the implication that I was hungry simply because I didn't have my own place to live is like offensive.

01:29:44.000 Like, what do you mean?

01:29:45.000 I was playing guitar on the subway once.

01:29:47.000 I was not homeless.

01:29:48.000 And a woman asked me if I was hungry.

01:29:49.000 And I said, no, but thank you for asking.

01:29:51.000 And then she asked me if I needed a place to sleep.

01:29:53.000 And I said, it was really funny.

01:29:55.000 I was playing guitar, making pretty decent money.

01:29:57.000 And I was just like, I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm going to go back to my two bedroom in Bucktown and just play video games tonight.

01:30:04.000 And she went, huh?

01:30:05.000 Like, the assumption that people who are playing music in the street, side note, are homeless, the assumption that someone who might be homeless is also hungry, these are all completely incorrect things.

01:30:14.000 And I think it stems from these well-to-do liberal types in cities.

01:30:19.000 Wanna help, and I can respect it, but they actually make the problem worse.

01:30:22.000 But why not be touched that someone feels compelled to try to help somebody out, even if they got you wrong, they read you wrong.

01:30:28.000 That, uh, they're compelled to try to help you, I think, is a nice thing.

01:30:32.000 So, I'm not saying it's not, but if there's a dude who is constantly doing drugs, and you're like, you know what, these drugs are really bad for him, but I'm gonna help him make sure he gets the drugs done right.

01:30:43.000 Like, I don't know if you're actually helping the guy. I think

01:30:47.000 you know it depends how stop it if he's using if he's using dirty water to you know inject heroin

01:30:52.000 then if you're giving him clean needles I do think that's helping him because you're preventing him

01:30:58.000 from possibly you're helping to prevent him from or you can just stop him from doing

01:31:01.000 drugs well you can't do that though because the question is um why is it why is he doing drugs in the

01:31:07.000 first place and And 100% of the time, it's because of some trauma.

01:31:11.000 And I'm very biased on this.

01:31:13.000 I'm very biased on this because I have a father who works on this stuff.

01:31:13.000 It's not 100% of the time.

01:31:16.000 But do you know what caused the opioid crisis?

01:31:18.000 What caused the opioid crisis?

01:31:19.000 So, a large component of what causes it is someone gets injured, they get prescribed opioids, and they get addicted, and they can't get off.

01:31:26.000 Then when the doctor cuts them off abruptly, they go seek black market means of getting it and creates a bunch of criminals.

01:31:32.000 So, it's not so much about trauma, but like- But not everyone who gets injured gets addicted to opioids.

01:31:36.000 The question is- But a lot of people got prescribed it- Yes, they did.

01:31:36.000 Of course.

01:31:39.000 And the prescriptions turned into addiction.

01:31:40.000 And a lot of trauma, maybe physical trauma, you know, that bear a lot of people have a company that made aspirin

01:31:45.000 Created heroin and started marketing it to people who were addicted to morphine

01:31:49.000 Help get them off and doctors were profiteering a huge problem. But the question is what why is there that?

01:31:56.000 What does like look addiction drugs that gives you a dopamine rush and then you get addicted to that

01:32:02.000 Why do you have a need for a dopamine rush?

01:32:03.000 And there's plenty of research on this.

01:32:05.000 I recommend my dad's work on this.

01:32:06.000 His name is Gabor Mate.

01:32:08.000 Oh, I love his work, man.

01:32:09.000 I've been seeing him all over TV lately.

01:32:11.000 Anyway, but I'm not going to speak for his work, but I'm just saying is consider the possibility that people who are addicted, it's not the drugs in and of themselves, it's what the drugs are doing for their pain.

01:32:23.000 And I think unless you address that, you're not going to be able to address the issue.

01:32:27.000 There's a video I recorded.

01:32:30.000 What was it?

01:32:32.000 I guess I recorded today.

01:32:33.000 It's going to go up Friday because it's one of my cultural segments.

01:32:36.000 And it's a woman being like, I have to work so that I can buy a house so that I can live in it, but I'm never there because I have to work. 0.99

01:32:43.000 And this is the trauma.

01:32:44.000 The trauma is we failed our younger generations.

01:32:47.000 They don't understand that work is not a bad thing.

01:32:49.000 They hate work.

01:32:51.000 And so they want instant gratification.

01:32:53.000 This is exemplified in what these cities are.

01:32:55.000 The solution to the homeless problem is building a culture that refuses to allow and support homelessness.

01:33:02.000 If a homeless person is living on your streets, they get removed by force.

01:33:07.000 Where they go is entirely up to them.

01:33:09.000 Or you can just say, arrest them and detain them.

01:33:10.000 But I think the police should simply go up and say, you are not allowed to sleep on the sidewalk on public property.

01:33:17.000 And the argument's actually gone the other direction.

01:33:19.000 But then also, people should not be giving free food to homeless people.

01:33:22.000 There should be... But why not?

01:33:24.000 Because it enables it!

01:33:27.000 You are basically fueling the traumas of people.

01:33:30.000 Instead of helping someone get clean and find a way to sustain themselves, you are basically saying, let me keep giving you more drugs.

01:33:36.000 Let me sustain your... That's what the safe injection sites do. 1.00

01:33:40.000 And now you've got typhus and bubonic plague.

01:33:43.000 Bubonic plague, less so, but it did emerge several times and freak people out, but typhus is all over the place.

01:33:47.000 Because homeless people are being given food.

01:33:50.000 So yeah, it's all rooted in, it all goes down to, you reduce it.

01:33:55.000 How is it possible for homeless people to set up mass encampments in these parks?

01:34:00.000 People give them free food.

01:34:01.000 If there's no food, they have to go somewhere to get food.

01:34:05.000 If we made it so that food could only be given to the homeless in like a place 70 miles away from the cities, and then all anyone could do is be like, We gave our contribution to the distribution center.

01:34:15.000 It's 70 miles outside of the city and that allowed for homeless people to go somewhere else to get resources because we want to help them.

01:34:22.000 Then it keeps them out of cities and stops the spread of disease.

01:34:24.000 That'd be better than just saying, I see you sleeping there on the ground in your own waste.

01:34:28.000 I see disease spreading and wild animals and mange.

01:34:32.000 Let me give you food so that you can keep doing it.

01:34:34.000 And you can't enable bad behaviors.

01:34:36.000 You have to, like, someone is hurting themselves.

01:34:39.000 You don't say, what can I do to make sure you keep doing it?

01:34:41.000 We say, how can I get you to stop this, improve yourself, and become self-sufficient?

01:34:46.000 There's been a lot of programs that are like trying to help people get jobs.

01:34:49.000 You know, remember Kimberly Klasick?

01:34:51.000 Yeah.

01:34:52.000 She had this whole not-for-profit that was designed to give women clothing that they could then interview in. 1.00

01:35:01.000 It was like professional clothing for women who can't afford professional clothing. 1.00

01:35:07.000 And she helped people.

01:35:08.000 She helped all these women get jobs because she gave them like the right outfits to go into a job interview and look presentable. 1.00

01:35:16.000 There's a lot of different ways that you can help people without facilitating a degenerative lifestyle.

01:35:21.000 Yeah, you mentioned how feeding the people is feeding the problem and Michael Schellenberger has done a lot of reporting on the California homeless problem and how these organizations, these multi-million dollar charities are receiving money to fund the people and then they just keep receiving money to keep funding the problem and the problem never ends because if the problem ends then the charity goes away and they lose their job so they've kind of got a An incentive structure, there's like an industry built up around it.

01:35:45.000 That's like what happened to the Human Rights Campaign.

01:35:47.000 The Human Rights Campaign was founded to get gay marriage passed, and then once gay marriage got passed, they switched to trans stuff.

01:35:56.000 It's not just that, it's Greenpeace.

01:35:59.000 Every major non-profit that's looking at mass revenue, they're thinking to themselves, look, I don't want to lose my job, and I don't want to fire everybody.

01:36:06.000 So what is the mission of this non-profit?

01:36:07.000 Well, if Problem X has been solved, we must come up with Problem Y.

01:36:13.000 I want to be intellectually honest.

01:36:20.000 So I think there's elements of truth in what you're saying.

01:36:23.000 There is an NGO industrial complex.

01:36:26.000 I've seen it up close, so I get it.

01:36:27.000 And there is an incentive to keep people destitute.

01:36:30.000 I don't want to deny that.

01:36:32.000 But fundamentally, since I've never seen an actual mass-scale effort with all the resources that we have to really address this issue, to really meet people where they are, to try to address people's underlying trauma, I'm not willing to endorse this punitive approach where you have to make people go far away to get food, where you have to try to lock people up.

01:36:50.000 Why is that punitive?

01:36:51.000 Well, because you're basically saying that you have no right to be here.

01:36:53.000 If you want to eat, you have to go somewhere else.

01:36:55.000 If you want to receive free food, we've got it for you down the street.

01:36:59.000 But then you're also infringing on the freedom of me.

01:37:01.000 If I want to give someone food, you're infringing on my freedom to give them that food.

01:37:05.000 And that's the problem.

01:37:06.000 As I said, there is no moral solution.

01:37:08.000 You can't ban someone from giving someone else food.

01:37:10.000 But then the problem is... I would agree with you if we had actually tried to address this problem seriously.

01:37:15.000 Given that we haven't yet, there hasn't been Again, I'm sorry to repeat myself, but all the money we put into war, if we put into this issue and it still didn't make a difference, fine.

01:37:24.000 But I think the solution is actually relatively simple.

01:37:28.000 We need better jobs.

01:37:31.000 We need to abolish the Department of Education.

01:37:33.000 How would that help?

01:37:36.000 So one of the education like all of education has gone and test scores and everything has gone directly downhill since the founding of the Department of Education.

01:37:45.000 Yes, I'm being personally provocative.

01:37:48.000 But the point is that we are not teaching people.

01:37:52.000 How to function and survive and live well, we are teaching them dependency.

01:37:57.000 That was my point, when this young woman is saying, why do I have to work to pay bills?

01:38:02.000 You shouldn't have to, you should want to.

01:38:04.000 The problem is, human beings that are being raised in the United States over the past few generations, are being raised in such a way that work is some alien thing that is painful to do, whereas it should be enjoyable.

01:38:15.000 A guy who likes building tables should be like, man, I built three tables today, I made a really cool one, take a look at my table.

01:38:21.000 Some people have this passion.

01:38:23.000 Instead, you get young people who are like, I literally don't want to do anything. 0.73

01:38:27.000 Now I can certainly understand not wanting to collate papers and file TPS reports.

01:38:31.000 That's nuts.

01:38:32.000 Some people are into that.

01:38:33.000 The issue is that there are many, many people today who want to do nothing.

01:38:38.000 So what happens is, The people who are living out in the streets, who want to do nothing, are unable to do nothing, and then create a strain on everyone around them.

01:38:45.000 This is causing people to flee cities in California and move en masse to like Florida and Texas, where things are very, very different.

01:38:53.000 This is not a sustainable system.

01:38:55.000 So we need a, I say, it's really just, you know, vote Trump.

01:38:59.000 There you go.

01:39:00.000 Have a nice day, everybody.

01:39:01.000 We need to educate young people.

01:39:04.000 We need to inspire young people.

01:39:06.000 We need to stop promoting college.

01:39:07.000 College is a waste of people's time.

01:39:08.000 It's not helping anybody become functioning members of society.

01:39:11.000 A liberal arts degree is not something that can help build or create or maintain life.

01:39:17.000 And so you got a lot of these young people who are like, I know everything about folklore and mythology, but I'll be damned if I could fix a, you know, change a car tire.

01:39:24.000 I'm one of those people, so I get what you're saying.

01:39:27.000 I do.

01:39:28.000 But again, I think this comes down to how you view humanity.

01:39:31.000 I think your experience with people – and I understand that you have a direct experience with this, so I respect that – has left you with a more cynical view of how people operate.

01:39:39.000 Most young people I know, they want to do well.

01:39:42.000 They want to have meaningful work.

01:39:43.000 But there's no opportunity for it anymore.

01:39:45.000 What does that mean though?

01:39:46.000 Meaningful work means you're doing something that you feel is an expression of yourself, that's contributing to the world that you find meaningful.

01:39:53.000 How do we develop that passion?

01:39:56.000 Well, I mean, that's a question of circumstance too, like how you're able to grow up, how privileged you are, I mean, all that stuff.

01:40:03.000 And it's an issue of privilege.

01:40:04.000 Privileged people don't like working.

01:40:07.000 And so when they grow up, the younger generations are some of the most privileged people the earth has ever seen.

01:40:13.000 And so when you take someone who, zero to five years old, what are they doing?

01:40:16.000 Sitting in front of a tablet.

01:40:18.000 Five to thirteen, they're going to school, but it's mostly nonsense work where they're getting participation trophies.

01:40:23.000 Then they go to high school, nothing changes.

01:40:25.000 Then they go to college.

01:40:26.000 The entire experience is, just do what you're told and we'll provide for you.

01:40:30.000 They graduate and they're like, I don't want to do anything.

01:40:34.000 Whereas what it used to be is, so for me, I grew up homeschooled as soon as like super early ages preschool, I'm doing education.

01:40:43.000 I worked at the family business when I was nine to like 11 years old, took the train and the bus by myself as a little kid, working a job, making money and buying the things that I wanted.

01:40:50.000 I had the internet ever since I was a kid.

01:40:52.000 So I'm reading things online all day, every day and just learning stuff.

01:40:55.000 And it's more and more interesting every day.

01:40:57.000 Wikipedia was a game changer.

01:40:59.000 And then I started just doing things I wanted to do.

01:41:02.000 Got good at them, and then all of a sudden, what happens?

01:41:05.000 When I'm 18, I am better than all of my peers at basic skills.

01:41:09.000 I have already had two or three different jobs, so I know how to apply, I know how to make a resume.

01:41:15.000 They're struggling with these things.

01:41:16.000 They don't want to get jobs.

01:41:18.000 They're going to school.

01:41:19.000 Oh, I'm gonna go to college instead.

01:41:21.000 They graduate from college, they can't find any meaningful work.

01:41:24.000 They have no experience.

01:41:24.000 Why?

01:41:25.000 Okay, and that's an issue.

01:41:27.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:41:28.000 Department of Education, gone.

01:41:29.000 Strip away this education industrial complex.

01:41:32.000 The other thing, too, about meaningful work... Rather than abolish the Department of Education, why not actually invest more in the education system?

01:41:38.000 Because it's not working.

01:41:39.000 We're throwing good money after bad.

01:41:41.000 Well, but we've also undermined it with charter schools and actually underfunding the education system.

01:41:48.000 Everyone I know in the education system are hard-working people who are trying to do the best for their kids.

01:41:52.000 Yeah, that doesn't matter.

01:41:53.000 You know why?

01:41:53.000 There's two words that break down any argument you might have.

01:41:57.000 And yet that is? 1.00

01:41:58.000 School sucks. 1.00

01:41:59.000 School does suck. 1.00

01:41:59.000 And every kid says it, and they've said it for 50 years, and we've never stopped to ask why kids keep saying school sucks. 1.00

01:42:06.000 And then what happens is you get older people being like, well, it's because response... Nah, not sorry, not true.

01:42:11.000 Every video of every kid super excited by the science teacher who's making a rocket ship out of a balloon or something, Or doing the thing with the big water barrel, the water jug, and then they light it and the fire goes poof and shoots out, and they're super excited and having a blast. 0.92

01:42:23.000 The problem is, those people are so incredibly rare, school sucks. 0.51

01:42:27.000 And the answer of, let's give more money to what sucks, makes literally no sense. 0.76

01:42:31.000 Kids, from when I was a kid, to previous generations, have been SCREAMING the machine is broken, and we just tell them too bad.

01:42:39.000 Plenty of kids also would hate eating their vegetables, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't eat their vegetables.

01:42:43.000 Wrong. 0.99

01:42:43.000 You get Gordon Ramsay to make broccoli and spinach and Brussels sprouts for a kid, and they're gonna- Yeah, you just gotta season that shit, man. 0.99

01:42:49.000 Wow! 1.00

01:42:49.000 Okay, so there you go. 1.00

01:42:50.000 So then season school too.

01:42:51.000 Apply the same logic.

01:42:52.000 Apply the same logic.

01:42:54.000 So when you have a bad chef, you don't give him a raise.

01:42:56.000 You fire him, and then try and find a better chef.

01:42:59.000 Most teachers that I know are wonderful people who are doing their best, but they don't have the support they need.

01:43:04.000 Their classes are overcrowded.

01:43:06.000 Special needs kids don't have the support they need.

01:43:09.000 Education has never been seriously funded because we're too busy funding it.

01:43:15.000 I agree the foreign wars things is bad, but like, that's not a one for one. 0.99

01:43:20.000 We should certainly take whatever funding from all the foreign war garbage and put it into our own infrastructure. 1.00

01:43:24.000 A big part of the issue is the curriculum is trash. 0.98

01:43:27.000 The way it's being taught is bad. 0.70

01:43:28.000 The teachers, no matter how hard you say that they're working, like, I literally watched them every day for a year and a half when my son was home, you know, because of COVID and whatever.

01:43:38.000 And they were teaching him, they were doing like lessons about white supremacy and systemic racism instead of teaching him math.

01:43:45.000 They were doing all of this stuff, like for a recent science project he had, the point of the science project was to write a biography of a scientist who was not a white male. 0.98

01:43:56.000 And my kid was telling me about this class, and I was like, don't do this assignment, this is trash! 0.86

01:44:01.000 Let's just simplify it.

01:44:02.000 Aaron, can you explain to me photosynthesis?

01:44:06.000 At this point, no I couldn't.

01:44:08.000 But why did you even bother learning it?

01:44:10.000 Well because at a certain point it's important to grasp these basic concepts and in my particular case I don't have a very scientific mind so I'm not a good example.

01:44:18.000 Somebody who paid attention to science class.

01:44:21.000 I feel bad for all the kids who weren't as lucky as I am that I had entrepreneurs in my family who taught me basic work function and like business management and stuff.

01:44:33.000 So you are lucky, that's great, but not everyone has that.

01:44:36.000 I know, and so my thing is like, man, how can we stop the corrupt system that is hurting these people and give them something better that can make them happy and passionate and successful?

01:44:47.000 Why not give them the same support that you had in your family to be able to learn?

01:44:50.000 So here's what you're going to need to do.

01:44:51.000 You're going to need to have your family lose their house.

01:44:54.000 They're going to have to risk everything on a small business that fails.

01:44:57.000 And those life lessons will help them learn the value of hard work and make them passionate about improving and succeeding.

01:45:03.000 But if you give them more money for things that are broken, I think you'll get the opposite outcome.

01:45:08.000 Or you look at your case and you say, wow, how amazing is it that this family went through all this and still struggled and made it and was able to produce someone like yourself who has knowledge, who is self-sufficient and saying, that's a wonderful thing.

01:45:22.000 Let's make sure everyone has the basic opportunities so that if things go bad, that they're self-sufficient too and they have knowledge rather than underfunding their schools.

01:45:32.000 Schools are not educating kids.

01:45:34.000 Well, they could.

01:45:35.000 I mean, I agree with you.

01:45:36.000 It's a serious problem.

01:45:37.000 And COVID was a... And this is the problem.

01:45:40.000 This is the problem I see with the left.

01:45:41.000 Our nation has, this is how I always describe it.

01:45:43.000 Everyone's going to say, oh, here goes them again.

01:45:45.000 This country has a wound on its arm.

01:45:47.000 The wound started bleeding, and that is, our kids need to be educated, this is a problem.

01:45:52.000 So what do we do?

01:45:52.000 We put a bandage on it, and said, that'll help solve the problem.

01:45:56.000 And you know what?

01:45:56.000 A bandage on a wound is a really good idea.

01:45:58.000 And then, three weeks later, we looked down at it, and it was covered in dirt and grime, and it was festering, and someone said, I don't think that's helping anymore.

01:46:05.000 I got an idea.

01:46:06.000 Let's put another bandage on it. 0.67

01:46:07.000 So we slapped another bandage on it.

01:46:08.000 I get the metaphor, I got it.

01:46:10.000 You got necrosis, baby.

01:46:11.000 Uh-huh.

01:46:12.000 You got necrotizing fasciitis in the education system, and that's why I'm saying, Stop it.

01:46:19.000 Start something else.

01:46:20.000 We need a dramatic overhaul of... Look, man, if Bart Simpson has been saying since the late 80s, school sucks, and it was a laughable idea that everyone agreed with, the system was broken.

01:46:32.000 We've all known it's been broken.

01:46:34.000 And instead of saying, hey, maybe we should stop the thing that sucks that everyone hates and try and reassess this and create something different.

01:46:41.000 The answer just seems to be every single step of the way from the left is just give more money.

01:46:45.000 I don't have the fidelity in children's opinions of school like you do. 0.97

01:46:49.000 Oh come on, you know school sucks.

01:46:51.000 I can think of plenty of times when I thought school sucked, but looking back on it, I benefit a lot from having an education. 0.84

01:46:57.000 But are you talking about college?

01:46:59.000 Because school is not education.

01:47:01.000 Both elementary school, high school, and college I really benefited from, even if at times I didn't enjoy it.

01:47:06.000 I mean, kids don't enjoy things when they're difficult and they're boring, but you still benefit from it.

01:47:11.000 The presumption that what you experience in schools was beneficial versus the alternative of not being in school, there's no control for that.

01:47:17.000 In fact, there could be.

01:47:18.000 Technically, it's me.

01:47:19.000 I'm a high school dropout.

01:47:20.000 So when people keep saying to me, yeah, but you're lucky you're the exception.

01:47:20.000 Yeah.

01:47:23.000 I'm like, I'm the exception that I stopped going to these state funded institutionalized learning facilities that jam your head in a box and take away your ability to survive.

01:47:32.000 That obviously work really well for you.

01:47:33.000 I just don't think from that you extrapolate that that's a solution for everybody.

01:47:37.000 I'm not saying my solution is the solution for everybody, I'm saying the mechanization and industrialization of what we would call learning has failed.

01:47:45.000 People aren't learning properly.

01:47:46.000 It's school, and it might be education, but check this out.

01:47:49.000 We're going to try and get some super chats in.

01:47:51.000 I've always enjoyed learning, but I like interactive learning.

01:47:54.000 I think the best way to do it is one-on-one.

01:47:56.000 If you have your teacher and your student, maybe your parent and the kid, but I mean it's a big ask for society to start schooling their kids.

01:48:02.000 No, no, I got solutions.

01:48:03.000 Let's talk about this more in the members only so I can at least read some superchats.

01:48:06.000 Clint Torres, of course, is number one, saying howdy people.

01:48:09.000 And also don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends.

01:48:12.000 Go to TimCast.com, click join us, the uncensored show will be up in like 13 minutes or so, but we're having a good conversation, so.

01:48:18.000 Alright, AlphaTurkey says, representation matters.

01:48:21.000 The MCU proves a diverse woman can direct a flop just as poorly as a white man. 1.00

01:48:25.000 There you go.

01:48:26.000 Yeah, uh, the Marvels is the biggest Marvel failure.

01:48:30.000 Yeah, like, all time, like, officially, right?

01:48:32.000 It's the lowest box of- you call it a failure, I'm being mean.

01:48:35.000 It's the lowest box office opening of any Marvel movie at 47 million dollars, and we all know exactly why.

01:48:42.000 Sorry.

01:48:43.000 They made a div- it's like, The movie is quite literally a poster for diversity.

01:48:50.000 I'm starting to fall asleep just listening to the description.

01:48:52.000 It's like a Benetton ad or something?

01:48:54.000 Like the Benetton Marvel movie?

01:48:54.000 It is.

01:48:55.000 A white woman, a black woman, and a Middle Eastern woman teaming up to fight a black woman, and it's like... Is there a bald guy in it? 0.67

01:49:02.000 There is.

01:49:03.000 Is he the villain?

01:49:04.000 No, he's Samuel L. Jackson.

01:49:05.000 He helps.

01:49:06.000 There's no bald villain in it.

01:49:07.000 I meant bald white guy is what I meant.

01:49:08.000 I literally don't care about diverse casts in the literal sense. 0.95

01:49:12.000 It's when they ham fist these stories with wokeness and like girl power stuff where it's just like, stop, stop, please. 0.92

01:49:17.000 You're patronizing us.

01:49:19.000 But let's read some more.

01:49:20.000 Shane H. Wilder says, if Clint doesn't say howdy people, did the show even happen?

01:49:24.000 It did not.

01:49:24.000 We actually leave.

01:49:25.000 Guys, it's 745 and Clint's not here.

01:49:28.000 Is that Clint Torres?

01:49:29.000 Offline?

01:49:30.000 We gotta go.

01:49:31.000 We gotta go.

01:49:31.000 He's there.

01:49:32.000 Yeah, see, at first it was Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:49:34.000 He had to super chat, and if he didn't, we were concerned.

01:49:38.000 But now he's here all the time, so it's just like... Shout out to Rage Master G, yeah, that guy.

01:49:42.000 Yeah, rockin' it.

01:49:43.000 BrownBear992 says, FlamethrowerClown2024. 0.98

01:49:46.000 On MSNBC, they said, Trump is a clown with a flamethrower, and a clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower, or something like that. 0.98

01:49:54.000 So, you know. 0.99

01:49:55.000 Oh, hey.

01:49:56.000 We should make that shirt.

01:49:57.000 That's actually really cool, yeah.

01:50:00.000 I hope someone's listening.

01:50:01.000 Can we make that shirt?

01:50:01.000 It should be like Bozo.

01:50:03.000 Bozo the clown.

01:50:03.000 Remember Bozo?

01:50:04.000 Like the clown's like, ah, and then out of the flame is coming Trump's face and he's going, ah, like making the same face as the clown, but you can tell the clown is Donald Trump. 0.98

01:50:10.000 Or it could be Trump with clown makeup, you know, blowtorching, like... Oh, it could be that. 0.99

01:50:16.000 You know, like a corrupt symbol of corruption of some sort. 1.00

01:50:20.000 Yeah, he's burning a swamp down.

01:50:23.000 Don't just drain it.

01:50:25.000 And he's wearing a Letitia James t-shirt.

01:50:27.000 Yeah, that could be it.

01:50:28.000 That could be it.

01:50:29.000 Wow, man, YouTube got rid of a bunch of super chats.

01:50:33.000 That's super annoying.

01:50:34.000 Yeah, man.

01:50:35.000 The FCB5 says, I'm center-right, but I stand with the left on Israel.

01:50:40.000 Well, all right.

01:50:42.000 Common Sense Fishing says, I know my history.

01:50:43.000 It was originally occupied by Jews.

01:50:46.000 Arabs came out of Arabia and conquered it around 600 BC.

01:50:49.000 Even though Jews lived there, it was technically ruled by Arabs for 1,500 years until 1948.

01:50:53.000 Yeah, but before that it was the Canaanites.

01:50:56.000 Abraham died over there in Canaan.

01:50:59.000 And then his great-grandson was Judah.

01:51:01.000 And the Kingdom of Judah followed that. 0.65

01:51:02.000 So way before the Kingdom of Judea was Canaan.

01:51:08.000 There's a song that was really popular a while ago.

01:51:10.000 It's called, This Land is My Land.

01:51:12.000 You ever see it?

01:51:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:13.000 And it just shows all the different groups that go back and forth over claiming the land.

01:51:17.000 Kind of crazy.

01:51:18.000 I don't think it's overtly critical of any one group.

01:51:20.000 It's just showing the history of the region and all the different groups who had waged war on it.

01:51:24.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:51:25.000 It's like humanity is the game of land acquisition over centuries.

01:51:30.000 The story of humanity is taking land from other people.

01:51:34.000 And energy consumption.

01:51:35.000 Yeah.

01:51:36.000 These are the two things.

01:51:37.000 Finding better ways to extract energy from various systems.

01:51:41.000 Man, if we could just build land.

01:51:42.000 If humanity just siphoned off volcanic molten lava into the ocean to make new islands and stuff.

01:51:47.000 Well, look out Iceland, right?

01:51:49.000 They're having some issues.

01:51:50.000 We've created geysers of magma from under the ocean.

01:51:51.000 They're having volcano issues in Iceland.

01:51:54.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:51:55.000 Redirect it to the coasts!

01:51:56.000 Right?

01:51:57.000 Maybe we could buy a bunch of land in Iceland and give it to the Palestinians. 1.00

01:52:03.000 You know what?

01:52:03.000 That's not a bad idea, right?

01:52:05.000 Like everyone just move around.

01:52:06.000 Take the whole North Pacific garbage gyre and just like pour concrete on it and make that an island. 0.54

01:52:13.000 So have you ever watched videos of it?

01:52:14.000 The North Pacific garbage gyre? 0.93

01:52:16.000 Yeah.

01:52:16.000 It's not dense.

01:52:16.000 No, it's not.

01:52:17.000 Yeah.

01:52:17.000 I'm joking around here.

01:52:18.000 So people think they call it a garbage island, but it's like, well, there's a lot of garbage floating there. 0.99

01:52:23.000 It's a gyre. 0.98

01:52:23.000 But it's like, when you're floating in it, you just see speckles of garbage. 0.98

01:52:27.000 It still looks like the ocean, you know?

01:52:28.000 But people are imagining it's this, like, thick, dense spattering of garbage.

01:52:32.000 It's not really.

01:52:34.000 What about Albatross Island?

01:52:35.000 Isn't there, like, an island covered?

01:52:36.000 Pitcairn!

01:52:37.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

01:52:37.000 Pitcairn.

01:52:38.000 Pitcairn?

01:52:39.000 There's, like, 58 people living there?

01:52:40.000 Yeah. 0.66

01:52:41.000 And it's, like, covered with trash.

01:52:42.000 You can make an island out of trash. 0.78

01:52:43.000 Richard Soa... You can make structures out of trash.

01:52:47.000 We've solved the Israel-Palestine conflict.

01:52:50.000 And the homelessness problem, because you can build houses out of trash.

01:52:53.000 We're going to create a series of islands and... You know who's really good at that is Dubai.

01:53:01.000 Dubai is good at that.

01:53:01.000 Why isn't Dubai just doing that?

01:53:03.000 They're okay at it.

01:53:04.000 A lot of their islands are kind of going bye-bye now.

01:53:06.000 Oh, really?

01:53:07.000 That big, like, palm tree island thing?

01:53:08.000 Yeah, like the world and stuff?

01:53:09.000 It collapsed?

01:53:11.000 It's in the process of doing so.

01:53:12.000 The ocean is saying, I want this stuff back, actually.

01:53:15.000 We'd like our place back.

01:53:16.000 I want to geyser magma straight up from the bottom of the ocean in certain places and just make these islands.

01:53:23.000 Isn't Hawaii?

01:53:24.000 Doesn't Hawaii have that potentiality? 0.77

01:53:25.000 That's how all islands form, actually.

01:53:26.000 But don't start making CCP ideas, guys.

01:53:28.000 They're gonna start making islands in which place we don't necessarily like.

01:53:31.000 We'll read some more.

01:53:32.000 Paul Tascalo says, as the left aligns with Palestine, haven't heard a peep about sharia law, awful culture of domestic violence, 20% of marriages are an adult male to a female child bride, homosexuality is illegal, strange ally for progressives. 0.51

01:53:44.000 This is Palestine, they said.

01:53:45.000 Yeah.

01:53:46.000 Yeah. 0.68

01:53:47.000 It's illegal to be gay. 0.96

01:53:49.000 It's 10 years in prison. 0.73

01:53:49.000 Keep in mind some of those domestic violence things. 0.73

01:53:51.000 Like, if they live under oppression, that can cause the disruption of the family, too.

01:53:55.000 Like, if you're stressed and you go home to your wife, you know, that can affect your relationship.

01:54:01.000 You know, there isn't actually Sharia law imposed in Gaza, but regardless, no matter what you think about that... There is not, you said?

01:54:07.000 It's not... Sharia law is not official inside... Hamas has floated it, I'm sure they'd want to, but regardless, no matter what you think about all that, they don't have the right to... Israel doesn't have the right to occupy them and besiege them and kill them and deny them food and medicine.

01:54:21.000 That's my fundamental point.

01:54:23.000 Well, how the people of Palestine in the territories govern themselves, that's up to them.

01:54:29.000 But what I don't want to do is support anything that can be used to oppress them and displace

01:54:33.000 them.

01:54:34.000 I think that's it.

01:54:35.000 I don't care.

01:54:36.000 I don't want to provide funding for— I'm with you.

01:54:40.000 That's fine.

01:54:41.000 If we get to the same conclusion, I don't care how you got there.

01:54:43.000 Morally though, if we were talking about Native Americans and we were doing all this today, I'd be like, we should stop doing this stuff. 1.00

01:54:52.000 If we were talking about millions of Native Americans on a small land, I'd be like, guys, we gotta have a solution. 1.00

01:54:58.000 If this is not working, it's gonna get worse.

01:55:01.000 However, the Israel-Palestine thing is I'm just like... I am just... Look, I care about the morality of humanity and the death and all that stuff, but I'm saying politically... 0.90

01:55:12.000 We don't even need to argue about the morality of the region, because I think America shouldn't be spending money on all these foreign countries. 0.97

01:55:17.000 I think I would rather take all of the money spent on all of these foreign countries, put it in a big plastic ball, roll it up to a random guy named Rick's house, and just give it to him.

01:55:31.000 It'd be like, you're a trillionaire now for some reason, literally don't care.

01:55:34.000 You are the king and have fun with the money because it's better spent on you than anyone else.

01:55:38.000 Hey look, an American guy, or woman, in this country with all of that money is infinitely better to me than whatever garbled nonsense we're doing.

01:55:47.000 I would push back in that, I would have pushed back because the conquest of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, where else have we taken? 0.95

01:55:56.000 Libya, we haven't really taken Syria.

01:55:57.000 Libya, we kind of have taken Syria.

01:55:59.000 Libya, Egypt, we have Puppet State, Israel Puppet State, it's because we needed oil. 0.74

01:56:03.000 But now I'm like, well we can create hydrogen fuel with this byproduct of graphene.

01:56:07.000 And we can turn the oil into graphene so we don't need to shut it down.

01:56:10.000 We don't need the oil.

01:56:11.000 We just need other people not to have it.

01:56:14.000 The point is to control whether or not they can grow and what they can do.

01:56:19.000 Maybe we can let go.

01:56:20.000 I don't know if that's even a thing.

01:56:22.000 I love the idea of secure our borders, bring our jobs and manufacturing back, restore a solid American culture with good moral foundations.

01:56:30.000 Like, that means life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

01:56:31.000 That means individual liberties, meritocracy.

01:56:34.000 It means we don't keep work... Look, these people who are like, why do I have to work and pay taxes just so I can struggle?

01:56:39.000 I'm like, well, I don't agree with the work thing, but at least I can say this to these young people.

01:56:43.000 I completely agree the fact that we're paying taxes, which goes into garbage.

01:56:47.000 Look, man, fix the roads.

01:56:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:50.000 Let's just like, just we'll build a bunch of roads.

01:56:53.000 I don't care where they go.

01:56:54.000 Just anything is better than us being like, why are we spending two decades nation building in Afghanistan?

01:56:59.000 Yeah, improving roads is key.

01:57:01.000 In 2021, the US gave foreign countries $52.4 billion.

01:57:06.000 And that's it?

01:57:07.000 Yeah, it's what it says.

01:57:09.000 The most that's this is from this is 2021.

01:57:11.000 Here's what we're gonna do.

01:57:12.000 $52.4 billion.

01:57:16.000 But since then, we gave $113 billion to Ukraine.

01:57:20.000 Wow.

01:57:21.000 Okay, so here's what we do.

01:57:22.000 And Joe Biden wants another $60 billion because he needs that war to continue until his reelection campaign.

01:57:28.000 In 2021, it was $3.3 billion to Israel, $1.6 billion to Jordan, $1.4 billion to Afghanistan.

01:57:35.000 Okay, okay, I propose this.

01:57:36.000 I mean, it's kind of crazy.

01:57:38.000 I propose this to all of America tonight.

01:57:42.000 That $200-plus billion That all of the all of the future so it's already been spent I get it so from this point forward

01:57:52.000 Until forever.

01:57:53.000 Anytime a bill is passed, or some kind of plan or whatever, to give money to a foreign country, no matter what they think will happen, the bank account gets all redirected to Ian.

01:58:05.000 Okay, then we're gonna use half a billion of it to create closed system nuclear recycling systems to create thorium salt.

01:58:10.000 Bro, you could buy a historic collection of Playboys for all I care.

01:58:12.000 You get the money, no more warmongers.

01:58:13.000 My Uncle Sid would love that.

01:58:15.000 He had a historic collection of Playboys, and he kept them.

01:58:19.000 He kept them in the like front room, the little front room, just in a little stack between two chairs, both of which were, you know, covered with plastic because that's what my aunt Dora did.

01:58:28.000 You couldn't sit on anything.

01:58:29.000 Let me try and read some more here.

01:58:32.000 Captain John says, Tim's 100% correct.

01:58:34.000 I have a homeless father and brother, both drug addicts.

01:58:37.000 They are out there by choice.

01:58:38.000 I gave my brother a home and a job and he chose to go back out there.

01:58:42.000 I knew a dude who made, he would make like 250 bucks a day.

01:58:47.000 He would put a Folgers can in front of him and then go to sleep on State Street in Chicago.

01:58:52.000 And then he said, I just go to sleep during the day, wake up, it's full.

01:58:58.000 He walked into the bank and he poured it into the change machine and then they added it to his account.

01:59:02.000 Then he would go and like 250 bucks a day.

01:59:05.000 Not bad.

01:59:06.000 But he was a drug addict.

01:59:07.000 And so I was like, man, you're making bank, dude.

01:59:09.000 I wish I made that much money.

01:59:10.000 What do you do with it?

01:59:11.000 And he goes, I do heroin, man.

01:59:12.000 I've had similar experiences.

01:59:14.000 Trying to help people that don't want to help themselves is not possible.

01:59:16.000 No it's not.

01:59:16.000 king and he's just yeah I'm like and that and that's why he was messed up and

01:59:22.000 was I've had similar experiences trying to help people that don't want to help

01:59:25.000 themselves is not possible no it's not it's exhausting Baron of gray matter

01:59:29.000 says we spend so much money on the homeless in Washington State that you

01:59:32.000 could give each homeless person a hundred Is that what he says?

01:59:37.000 It's the homeless industrial complex.

01:59:37.000 $150,000?

01:59:39.000 It's big business.

01:59:40.000 So much money and it will never be fixed.

01:59:42.000 I agree.

01:59:42.000 Yep.

01:59:44.000 Same with L.A., man.

01:59:45.000 You know I learned one of these shelters my favorite thing I learned was that they would pitch that they were their shelters were at capacity and so they were in desperate need of donations so they could expand and the reality was all the shelters were empty because the homeless people did not want to be in them.

02:00:00.000 And so I'm like, I didn't know that.

02:00:02.000 And when I found it, I said, I can't lie to people like this.

02:00:06.000 And they're like, but you need the urgency.

02:00:08.000 And I'm like, I'll just not mention it.

02:00:10.000 What?

02:00:11.000 I can't work for these companies, man.

02:00:12.000 That's why I didn't want to work in the industry anymore.

02:00:14.000 They all lie.

02:00:16.000 Nonprofits, all of them.

02:00:18.000 The only ones that are good are the small ones where it's like, we're here to rescue puppies.

02:00:21.000 And then they do.

02:00:21.000 And you're like, oh, that's great.

02:00:22.000 And it's like two people in a house and they also live in the house and they take care of puppies.

02:00:28.000 Yep.

02:00:28.000 I like those places too.

02:00:30.000 I like puppies.

02:00:30.000 Yeah, man.

02:00:32.000 All right, let's see.

02:00:33.000 Polly Puree says the original Coca-Cola had cocaine in it.

02:00:36.000 Cream Soda had heroin in it back at around 120 years ago.

02:00:39.000 Whoa.

02:00:40.000 And when they made cocaine illegal, Coca-Cola was like, let's do caffeine.

02:00:43.000 Why?

02:00:44.000 Because caffeine is extremely psychoactively similar to cocaine.

02:00:49.000 Oh, wow, that's good.

02:00:49.000 I've discovered that myself.

02:00:51.000 Look up the physiological reactions between cocaine and caffeine.

02:00:55.000 You'll be like, that sounds very similar.

02:00:57.000 Wow.

02:00:57.000 It is indeed.

02:00:58.000 It's very much indeed similar.

02:01:01.000 But we just don't snort caffeine or anything like that.

02:01:03.000 We just eat little bits.

02:01:04.000 That would be weird, right?

02:01:06.000 If somebody was, like, snorting caffeine.

02:01:07.000 You'd be like, what is that?

02:01:09.000 I've never taken caffeine pills.

02:01:10.000 I knew people that would do that, and that sounded like you could overdose on that stuff, so I never got into it.

02:01:14.000 Joseph Metzler says, the U.S.

02:01:15.000 spends more on education than on defense.

02:01:18.000 Wow.

02:01:19.000 And that's wild, because people aren't learning properly.

02:01:22.000 Dale Lamar says, Baltimore, $21,000 per student spent.

02:01:25.000 Money is not the solution, never was.

02:01:27.000 That's true in New York, too.

02:01:29.000 The huge amount of money that's spent per kid.

02:01:31.000 And it's a disaster.

02:01:34.000 The education is not doing anything good for anyone.

02:01:36.000 It should be fun, man.

02:01:37.000 Learning is so fun.

02:01:38.000 Learning is really fun.

02:01:39.000 But school beats it out of you. 0.99

02:01:40.000 School sucks, yeah. 0.99

02:01:41.000 I hate sitting still. 0.99

02:01:42.000 Let's talk about it.

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02:02:25.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:02:26.000 Thank you.

02:02:27.000 And Aaron, good to see you, man.

02:02:28.000 And we didn't get too much into your expertise, which is war, you know, Middle Eastern war and conflict, especially in Ukraine.

02:02:34.000 But on the after, you mentioned something on the show about when does defense of your nation go too far?

02:02:39.000 Like, how much of an attack can you do and still call it a defensive maneuver?

02:02:44.000 The Romans, you know, notoriously conquered their neighbors out of defense of the capital.

02:02:49.000 So I'd love to talk more about that.

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