Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - UK Vows To IGNORE Russian Threats, Russia Says It WILL BOMB Royal Navy w-Carol Roth

00:00:00.000 The UK's Royal Navy sent one of their warships into the Black Sea and

00:00:29.000 It was doing a mission between Ukraine and Georgia It traveled along the coast of Crimea, which Russia is claiming as its own.

00:00:37.000 So Russia fired warning shots and actually began dropping bombs.

00:00:40.000 Now, the UK denies this.

00:00:42.000 They said there was no warning shots, but a journalist for the BBC said he did hear shots fired.

00:00:47.000 The UK is now claiming those were just Russian drills off in the distance.

00:00:51.000 Russia came back and said, if you come again, we will bomb you this time.

00:00:56.000 And the UK's response is, we do not recognize your claims over Crimea, and we are absolutely going to be sending more warships along this route.

00:01:03.000 So we'll see in this game of chicken who backs down first.

00:01:07.000 But Russia has actually said that in conventional warfare, nuclear retaliation is on the table.

00:01:13.000 And China has even said that they will join Russia in a counterattack just for US provocations.

00:01:20.000 Now, maybe this is all just saber-rattling, because certainly things like this have happened before, but it does make me worried, considering the other news, where the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff came out and was like, well, what's wrong with being woke, you know?

00:01:32.000 White rage, I gotta understand it, it caused the riots on January 6th, and I'm like, oh, geez.

00:01:37.000 Are we capable of defending ourselves?

00:01:38.000 Because it's not just about international conflict.

00:01:40.000 The fourth turning suggests we're in a crisis period and very well may be domestic crisis.

00:01:45.000 It could very well be a Great Depression or some kind of civil conflict.

00:01:49.000 And seeing all this news about BlackRock buying up homes, news stories popping up saying millennials shouldn't buy property, millennials who are already massively in debt with student loans, now they'll be in debt and they won't own anything.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, it seems like we are headed towards a very, I don't know, dystopian future where the millennial generation and those younger will just be, I don't know, serfs in some kind of neo-feudalist system.

00:02:12.000 So joining us to talk about the war on small business, we have recovering investment banker and author Carol Roth.

00:02:19.000 Hey Tim, how are you doing?

00:02:20.000 Pretty good.

00:02:21.000 How are you?

00:02:22.000 I'm glad you used the recovering investment banker instead of former because it is sort of this 12-step program and I'm permanently stuck on step 11.

00:02:22.000 Good.

00:02:32.000 Which one is 7-Eleven around?

00:02:34.000 Panic.

00:02:35.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:37.000 Well, it is kind of creepy what we're seeing with the way the Fed works, especially when it comes to these houses and the BlackRock store that's been popping up.

00:02:44.000 The Fed's basically just giving them money.

00:02:45.000 They buy it.

00:02:47.000 It's no risk to them, yet regular working-class people and millennials have no way to outbid free money from one of these massive firms.

00:02:54.000 Yeah, I mean, this is what happens when you have central planning and central banking gone awry.

00:03:00.000 I mean, basically, the Fed has disrupted risk in the market.

00:03:05.000 They have said, if you put your money at risk, you know, you get nothing.

00:03:09.000 And so people have to take on riskier and riskier bets.

00:03:12.000 And so you've got two different things going on here.

00:03:14.000 You've got these big firms that have tons of capital that they need to deploy and earn a return on.

00:03:20.000 For their investors, they're going out and they're trying to find investments and they can't find investments to get those yields.

00:03:27.000 So now they're turning to the housing market.

00:03:30.000 At the same time, you've got retirees and savers and Main Street who are just trying to earn a return on the small amount of money that they have also trying to chase yield.

00:03:42.000 And basically they're saying, well, if you put it in the bank, We're just going to give you almost nothing for it.

00:03:46.000 And then we're going to turn around and lend it to BlackRock so that they can go buy these houses.

00:03:51.000 And it's basically free money for BlackRock.

00:03:53.000 And it is a selling out of Main Street to Wall Street.

00:03:57.000 This is all part of the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the world.

00:04:02.000 Throughout the pandemic and you wrote a book about it.

00:04:04.000 So we'll definitely talk about that right on.

00:04:06.000 We got we got Ian.

00:04:07.000 Hello, Tim.

00:04:08.000 Hello, Carol.

00:04:08.000 Hi.

00:04:09.000 I'm interested to find out what what your what your motive was to get out of the banking industry is really interesting.

00:04:15.000 So I'm glad you're here.

00:04:16.000 And I'm here in the corner as well.

00:04:18.000 I love all of my lady guests.

00:04:20.000 Each one of them is kind of a role model for me in different ways.

00:04:23.000 So I'm really excited about tonight's conversation.

00:04:25.000 And not to like, you know, self-identify here, but I'm often known as like a dude in a dress.

00:04:32.000 So, you know, like, I'll claim the ladies, but I'll claim whatever as well.

00:04:36.000 Yeah.

00:04:37.000 Well, before we get started, head over to TimCast.com and become a member.

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00:04:44.000 We do this, so there's a lot of things we can't say on YouTube, so we have to choose our battles.

00:04:48.000 Instead of just saying, you know, we'll shut down the YouTube and we'll never speak again because we say one wrong thing, YouTube axes us, we are trying to build out TimCast.com to do more than just be a YouTube channel.

00:04:58.000 We gotta do this.

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00:05:05.000 We have a few more journalists that are on their way to join the team, and we actually hired an Unsolved Mysteries writer.

00:05:11.000 Get this.

00:05:12.000 I don't know if I should say this.

00:05:13.000 I'm gonna say it anyway.

00:05:14.000 We're actually now in the very preliminary stage of looking into lost confederate gold in the south.

00:05:21.000 I got an email from someone and they were like, we believe we know where this lost confederate gold is hidden.

00:05:26.000 But they've never had the resources, I guess, to actually... It's a protected area, so you can't dig, so they need very expensive equipment.

00:05:33.000 And I was like, at the very least, we'll investigate the story of the lost confederate gold.

00:05:38.000 This isn't going to be like Al Capone's tomb, is this?

00:05:40.000 Because I'm from Chicago.

00:05:41.000 So you remember when Geraldo Rivera did like the 20 hour special and then they opened it up and there was nothing in there?

00:05:47.000 Very well, maybe.

00:05:49.000 The goal for this kind of content that we're producing is not necessarily to be groundbreaking news and historical documentation, but literally to tell the story of what happened with this Confederate gold, why it went missing, why people think it's there.

00:06:01.000 And then who knows, maybe we'll find it or something and then a museum will get it.

00:06:04.000 I have no, I really don't think so.

00:06:06.000 Is Geraldo going to be hosting?

00:06:07.000 No, I've met Geraldo a couple times.

00:06:11.000 You know, he's all right, but I'm not the biggest fan.

00:06:13.000 You know, I remember.

00:06:14.000 Didn't he get punched in the face in the 80s or something?

00:06:16.000 He also sent like those like half naked selfies like around Twitter and stuff.

00:06:21.000 Yeah, I like him.

00:06:22.000 Anyway, anyway, we got a lot of stuff going on.

00:06:25.000 So we've got obviously the vlog.

00:06:29.000 We're going to be ramping up production on that, and that's just going to be fun, silly culture building.

00:06:33.000 So we're going to be doing this podcast on Paranormal Mysteries, and I think we actually have put together the team to start producing it.

00:06:38.000 So it's going to be really amazing.

00:06:39.000 It's going to be like feature episodes with sound effects and creepy noises and stuff.

00:06:43.000 And yeah, someone emailed me saying, I think I know where the lost Confederate gold is.

00:06:46.000 And I was like, oh, Hey, should we write about this?

00:06:49.000 This sounds really fascinating.

00:06:50.000 And so we'll definitely do that.

00:06:51.000 So go to TimCast.com.

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00:06:58.000 It's not as easy as it sounds.

00:06:59.000 Just hire someone and tell them to go out and do this stuff.

00:07:02.000 But it's not that hard.

00:07:03.000 We just got to find the right people.

00:07:05.000 People we trust who will do a good job.

00:07:06.000 So we'll be doing that as well.

00:07:07.000 So again, TimCast.com.

00:07:08.000 That bonus episode will be up around 11.

00:07:09.000 Let's read this first story.

00:07:11.000 We're going to talk about this year war.

00:07:14.000 From 9News Australia, UK plans to sail through Crimean waters again as Russia threatens to bomb on target.

00:07:23.000 Now, this is all basically because Russia seized Crimea.

00:07:28.000 And I'll try and very, very simplify everything for those who aren't familiar with the full story.

00:07:32.000 Ukraine seems to be going the way of NATO.

00:07:35.000 This was several years ago.

00:07:36.000 And that meant Russia was going to lose its only warm water port in the Black Sea, which is Crimea.

00:07:41.000 So they moved in and claimed the people of Crimea voted to join Russia.

00:07:46.000 Well apparently the people of Ukraine don't believe that's the case and I know a lot of people in Ukraine and I know people who have family and friends in Crimea say it's also not the case they want to join Russia.

00:07:55.000 There's not much you can do when you're being occupied by a military and they have no way to defend themselves.

00:07:59.000 Well now you have the UK who doesn't recognize this running along the coastline and Russia is basically dropping bombs and firing warning shots and threatening we will bomb you if this is the case.

00:08:11.000 So Let me just read a little bit.

00:08:13.000 They say Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine after a military intervention in the region in 2014.

00:08:17.000 Russia said the UK's HMS Defender went three kilometers inside what described as its territory off of Cape... What does it say?

00:08:24.000 Filant in Crimea. 0.75

00:08:26.000 Just before noon on Wednesday, a nation's territorial waters extend 12 nautical miles off from its coastline.

00:08:31.000 Any foreign warship going past that limit would need permission of the country to do so, with a few exceptions.

00:08:38.000 Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Defense Secretary Ben Wallace both backed the assertion we don't recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea.

00:08:45.000 It was illegal.

00:08:46.000 These are Ukrainian waters, and it was entirely right to use them to go from A to B. He denied that UK-Russian relations were at historic low, noting that I can remember times in my own lifetime when things have been far worse. 1.00

00:08:59.000 The important point is that we don't recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea.

00:09:02.000 This is part of sovereign Ukrainian territory.

00:09:06.000 Mr. Johnson told reporters on Thursday during a visit to an army barracks in England.

00:09:10.000 This is a game of chicken. 0.70

00:09:12.000 You know, who do you think's got the cojones to make that move? 1.00

00:09:16.000 Speaking of the cojones, like, where did the UK get the cojones from? 0.97

00:09:20.000 Like, the fact that they're like, of all the things that they have going on in the UK with Brexit and trying to sort out their economy, like, where are they, like, peacocking around? 0.98

00:09:31.000 Like, how did they come to the table with this?

00:09:33.000 Actually, that's kind of a sad thing to think about, because I did this thread on the Founding Fathers earlier, how I was like, the people who signed the Declaration of Independence knew that they were declaring one of the most powerful military the world had ever seen, and they thought they were gonna lose.

00:09:49.000 Many did, and some say it was only because of French intervention that we actually were able to win.

00:09:53.000 The French, of course, had an interest in defeating the British. 0.92

00:09:56.000 It's funny that that narrative of the British being so powerful, and now it's like, Wow, where did Britain get the balls to go up against Russia? 0.64

00:10:07.000 But seriously, what do they get out of this Ukrainian situation and why are they, I mean, they know they don't have a strong ally in the U.S.

00:10:15.000 anymore in terms of being able to support, so why are they out there like, we're going to be going up against Russia, and Russia's like, we must break you.

00:10:22.000 How did that sort of all play out?

00:10:25.000 You know, it's interesting because the big narrative for a long time was that Ukraine, there's a natural gas monopoly through the Gazprom company, Russia, and it's running through Ukraine, so the U.S.

00:10:37.000 wanted the Qatar Turkey pipeline to go up through Syria and Turkey and then into the

00:10:40.000 you know into the EU to offset their monopoly and lower prices but Syria said no and then

00:10:46.000 war breaks out and it's all chaos and conflict and then Joe Biden's like I'm gonna improve

00:10:50.000 this was it Nord Stream 2 where they're building another pipeline and Biden's like we're gonna

00:10:54.000 allow this so it's really confusing to me when you're trying to follow through this

00:10:58.000 history and the news about why we're currently entering this level of conflict I mean obviously

00:11:03.000 we are allies with the UK and this is a lot a lot about NATO but why allow Russia to build 0.80

00:11:10.000 another pipeline through you know it's like just north of Europe along the along the coast

00:11:16.000 Why allow that, but then taunt them and play these games and be upset about Ukraine? 0.91

00:11:22.000 It seems Something's broken right now, you know?

00:11:24.000 I think they're trying to frame it as if we did nothing wrong and we got attacked, so we're the ones that are just in the situation. 0.96

00:11:33.000 But the truth is, it's moronic to poke the beast regardless. 0.97

00:11:38.000 I don't know, man. 0.91

00:11:39.000 History will tell, you know?

00:11:41.000 And I'm a money person, so I'm like trying to follow the pipeline and follow the money and going, OK, like who's benefiting where and where are the dollars flowing?

00:11:49.000 Because at the end of the day, that on one side or the other, that's what this has got to be all about.

00:11:53.000 Either it's about somebody getting money or someone trying to bleed more money out of the U.S.

00:11:57.000 I think the interest in this, the story may just be saber-rattling.

00:12:02.000 There have been, like, Russian flybys before.

00:12:04.000 There have been, like, Russia, you know, their planes entering, like, U.S.

00:12:08.000 Kim Jong-un got too much journalistic space for all of his little things, so they had to kind of step up and go, no, we're bad guys too, don't forget about us.

00:12:08.000 airspace.

00:12:16.000 But these things happen, and usually, like, we don't see much, so I'm wondering if it's People are interested in this simply because of the idea of like the fourth turning.

00:12:25.000 I mean, I'll say this is one of the reasons I'm interested in seeing this news, because it sounds like the UK and Russia are playing a game of chicken. 0.97

00:12:31.000 And of course, if that comes to blows, we're involved.

00:12:35.000 There's a fear that we're in this crisis period where there's going to be a major war.

00:12:40.000 China, of course, is saying, we'll work with Russia to counterattack.

00:12:43.000 So, you know, I can't remember.

00:12:45.000 Was it Bannon who was talking about this?

00:12:46.000 They were saying that, you know, Russia should not be aligned with China, but we've effectively forced that on them, especially when the Democratic Party has been repeatedly just bashing, Russia bashing nonstop.

00:12:56.000 So Russia's, you know, pushed back saying, OK, fine, it's us against you.

00:12:59.000 Now they work with China. 0.79

00:13:00.000 But again, this could just be.

00:13:02.000 Words, it could be meaningless.

00:13:04.000 Russia could just be shaking their fist from the shoreline while the UK passes by and nothing ever happens.

00:13:08.000 But it's a great way to put the US in a financial and a national pickle, isn't it?

00:13:14.000 Especially when you don't have sort of strength at the top leadership.

00:13:18.000 Because what is it that we can't afford more than anything else?

00:13:22.000 It's certainly another war.

00:13:24.000 And so from a dollar standpoint, as well from a national standpoint, the split in terms of people who would be for and against that, you know, We don't need that right now.

00:13:34.000 And certainly if you're savvy, if you're in Russia and you're in China, you're aware that we don't need that right now.

00:13:40.000 There's also wokeness, right?

00:13:43.000 This whole critical race theory battle and its subsets tearing at the core of the United States.

00:13:48.000 And now we see the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff just being like outright like, what's wrong with being woke?

00:13:53.000 I take offense to that.

00:13:54.000 I want to understand white rage.

00:13:55.000 And it's like, oh, geez, I can only imagine.

00:13:59.000 That Russia and China are well aware of the rift in the U.S.

00:14:02.000 And this is what worries me.

00:14:03.000 If the U.K.

00:14:04.000 gets bold and says, we're gonna drive our boats by, Russia might be like, hey, if we bomb them right now, they can't do anything about it. 0.64

00:14:11.000 is fractured.

00:14:11.000 The U.S.

00:14:12.000 Their military's gone woke.

00:14:14.000 So is that, I don't know, what do you think?

00:14:15.000 Are we at, is that, is that a big risk or am I overthinking things?

00:14:18.000 No, I think it's a huge risk.

00:14:20.000 And I think we need to be talking to our little friends in Britain and telling them to settle down a little bit.

00:14:25.000 Because like you said, it's sort of moral hazard, right?

00:14:27.000 They're the ones who are going to poke the beast, as you said, but they aren't the ones that are going to suffer most of the repercussions.

00:14:34.000 It's going to fall back on us.

00:14:36.000 So, you know, maybe they might just want to slow their roll a little bit.

00:14:39.000 That scares me, though.

00:14:40.000 Because, you know, we saw China saying that the U.S.

00:14:42.000 is not in a position of strength.

00:14:44.000 If the reality is, we do have to be like, UK, please don't bother Crimea. 1.00

00:14:48.000 We know Russia stole it, but we can't do anything about it. 0.83

00:14:51.000 Now is not a good time.

00:14:52.000 Maybe come back to us in a couple years.

00:14:54.000 Man, I feel like the U.S.

00:14:57.000 The whole world is in trouble.

00:14:57.000 is in trouble.

00:14:59.000 It's a house of cards, and if there's a global war, that could set us back 10,000 years.

00:15:04.000 Did you see what China was saying about COVID and lab leak?

00:15:07.000 They were like, if you investigate the origins, we need to up production of nuclear weapons to send a shiver down the spines of the American elites.

00:15:18.000 So you got, like, nuclear sable writing.

00:15:20.000 Russia, apparently, they issued a statement saying that their official response to any war, including conventional warfare, like if some missiles go flying, they'll launch nukes.

00:15:29.000 Now, will they really?

00:15:30.000 I don't think so.

00:15:31.000 They're like, we'll respond to aggression, but we will use nukes. 0.92

00:15:34.000 I think a lot of this could just be, like, fists shaking from the shoreline.

00:15:37.000 Yeah, testing the waters.

00:15:39.000 That could be it, too.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, but maybe the UK warship is just sailing by and then Russia's like, UK and that's all that really happens, you know?

00:15:48.000 Yeah, I wonder if there's a crypto tie in here as we've kind of offline talked about, you know, China's role in crypto and digital currency.

00:15:56.000 And obviously, they're trying to become the world's reserve currency.

00:16:00.000 And what a better way to, you know, continue the The great work that the Federal Reserve has done in devaluing the dollar, then trying to bring us into another war that we need to print a bunch of money for that we can't afford, you know, not to like throw out random conspiracy theories here, but just again, trying to kind of connect things that potentially could happen.

00:16:21.000 There could be a tie in with that.

00:16:22.000 Well, I think it all is.

00:16:24.000 I mean, first of all, we probably don't even realize how much is connected to all of this.

00:16:29.000 We might be looking over here at this, you know, UK, the HMS Defender, and we're like, wow, what a story.

00:16:35.000 And we might not even know that an actual, you know, conflict with actual live fire happened somewhere else.

00:16:41.000 Like the news that comes out, for instance, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which brought us into Vietnam, we didn't actually know the full details for decades.

00:16:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:47.000 We just got some also later on I just found out the USS, Maine

00:16:50.000 It was like a false flag that got us involved in the Spanish-American war to liberate Cuba liberate from the 0.67

00:16:56.000 Spanish Empire It was just blew up

00:16:58.000 No one knew why and then William Randolph Hearst started printing articles that were like remember the main remember

00:17:03.000 the main and everyone went to war with cute with

00:17:05.000 Okay, so if we're talking about like things that are distractions

00:17:08.000 So then we had all of these cyber attacks that happened in the US on the pipeline on the meat plants and stuff

00:17:14.000 And it's sort of planting the seeds. Oh Russia's doing these things Russia's doing these things now. We've got 0.84

00:17:19.000 this conflict with Russia So yeah

00:17:22.000 We actually have this story.

00:17:24.000 This is a big story right now.

00:17:25.000 The Daily Mail reports National Guard is preparing for a major cyber attack that would bring down utilities across the U.S.

00:17:32.000 Troops tackle massive simulated breach during two-week training exercise after hack of Colonial Pipeline brought nation's fuel supply to its knees.

00:17:41.000 All right.

00:17:42.000 I think they're taking it seriously.

00:17:44.000 I'm worried that they're taking it seriously way too late.

00:17:48.000 But yeah.

00:17:49.000 Was this on the list?

00:17:50.000 Was this on the list of the critical infrastructure that you're not... that our playbook of here's the things that you should attack?

00:17:56.000 Thank you very much.

00:17:57.000 That was one of the stup... I can't believe that. 0.90

00:17:59.000 What was it exactly?

00:18:00.000 Biden said something to Putin, right?

00:18:01.000 That's what this is?

00:18:02.000 So he gave a list of like, here are our most critical infrastructure things, here's off limits, here's what you can't attack.

00:18:09.000 So implicitly, he's saying, like, it's okay if you attack other things, just don't attack this.

00:18:14.000 And then also, he's basically saying, here are our most important things.

00:18:18.000 So if you are a bad, nefarious guy, here are the things that you want to, I mean, just the strategy behind that, like, who Who's advising on that?

00:18:26.000 Because we know it's probably not coming from Joe Biden, right?

00:18:30.000 So who's the genius who came up with the list of the infrastructure?

00:18:34.000 And what's that on the list?

00:18:35.000 I can only hope that whoever advised him says, here's the 16 things we really don't care about.

00:18:41.000 Tell him we care about it so that he goes after that.

00:18:43.000 I see.

00:18:44.000 Like small businesses.

00:18:44.000 4D chess.

00:18:46.000 You could totally take out Main Street.

00:18:48.000 We don't care about that.

00:18:49.000 We don't care about that.

00:18:50.000 No, but I think the simple solution, one that makes the least amount of assumptions, Joe Biden was like, oh, Russia better not attack the things we actually need.

00:18:59.000 Hey, hey, Putin, I'm warning you.

00:19:01.000 Don't don't attack these.

00:19:02.000 Don't attack these.

00:19:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:19:05.000 It's the playground.

00:19:05.000 And here's the list.

00:19:06.000 It's like the playground bully.

00:19:07.000 It's like, OK, OK, you can you can beat me up, but don't break my glasses because my mom's going to be mad and she's going to ground me.

00:19:16.000 She'll ground you when you get beat up. 1.00

00:19:18.000 I, I, I couldn't believe that story.

00:19:20.000 So it's like they're doing war games now.

00:19:20.000 Right.

00:19:23.000 It's like, it's like negative one D chess.

00:19:26.000 Yeah.

00:19:27.000 It's like, it's like you're playing checkers with somebody, but Joe Biden's going like, come on, come on, man.

00:19:32.000 I don't know how to move.

00:19:33.000 I don't even know the rules.

00:19:34.000 And you're like, Joe, Joe, it's like, you just move diagonally.

00:19:37.000 It's monopoly.

00:19:38.000 Just buy boardwalk, put some houses on it.

00:19:40.000 You know, I guess what's crazy about this is Daily Mail has been saying Russia did all of these hacks.

00:19:49.000 Like, that's been the media narrative the whole time.

00:19:51.000 So when Colonial Pipeline got hit by these hackers, Daily Mail just kept saying, Russian hack on US, Russian hack on US.

00:19:57.000 And I'm like, none of that's confirmed.

00:19:58.000 Even Biden said, we don't know for sure.

00:20:00.000 But there were elements of the media saying it was a Russian attack or Russian attributed or Russian associated.

00:20:05.000 And you know what it feels like?

00:20:06.000 It's like we're back on schedule.

00:20:08.000 Because before Donald Trump got in office, this was everything that was happening.

00:20:13.000 You know, Russia annexed Crimea.

00:20:15.000 Then the U.S.

00:20:16.000 and NATO and Western allies were getting involved in Ukraine.

00:20:19.000 There was separatist conflict.

00:20:21.000 And then Trump gets in, and all of a sudden, this fades away.

00:20:23.000 Well, I'll tell you something else that was interesting.

00:20:26.000 All of the things that were involved were things that were sort of progressive agenda items that they wanted to crack down on.

00:20:33.000 So you had a pipeline, which obviously we know that the natural gas issue is out there.

00:20:38.000 We had meat, which was another issue.

00:20:41.000 And then you were using crypto to pay for this.

00:20:45.000 And we know that the U.S.

00:20:46.000 government's really uncomfortable.

00:20:47.000 So the fact that all sort of elements of the story all revolved around things that the government You know, doesn't really have on their agenda is sort of an interesting thing for me as well.

00:20:59.000 Did you hear that there was gas?

00:21:00.000 There are gas stations out of gas in Colorado this past week or so.

00:21:04.000 So there's a there's an interesting story behind part of the disruption.

00:21:08.000 And that's with the government's deciding winners and losers and sort of interfering in the economy. 0.93

00:21:15.000 There are not enough drivers able to drive the tanker trucks.

00:21:19.000 And so it's now taking an extra couple of days to get the gas to the gas stations.

00:21:25.000 And the people who used to be the tanker truck drivers, you know, they went to work for Amazon or they found other jobs or they're staying home or whatnot.

00:21:32.000 You can't just pull a random person off the street and say, go drive a tanker truck.

00:21:37.000 That's a specialized thing.

00:21:37.000 Right.

00:21:38.000 So that's part of this supply chain disruption that supposedly nobody expected.

00:21:44.000 We've had a lot of people super chat us saying that's not the case.

00:21:47.000 That, you know, there are people like, I'm a trucker, there's no shortage, this is not true.

00:21:51.000 Now I can't, you know, verify a super chat, but I've gotten emails from people saying they're truckers and it's not the case.

00:21:58.000 The challenge is if the media says it, and we all believe it, But then people were like, hey, I'm a trucker.

00:22:04.000 It's like, what do you trust?

00:22:04.000 That's not true.

00:22:06.000 I mean, that's that's a tough call.

00:22:06.000 Do you trust the media?

00:22:08.000 No, I don't.

00:22:08.000 Right.

00:22:09.000 I can't trust any of it.

00:22:10.000 I mean, it's anecdotal at best if someone super chats and they're like, hey, it worked.

00:22:15.000 I saw it.

00:22:15.000 So it's real everywhere.

00:22:16.000 Like I saw it here.

00:22:17.000 So everywhere.

00:22:18.000 Right.

00:22:18.000 Exactly.

00:22:19.000 It may be in their particular area or their particular company as well.

00:22:22.000 You mentioned in the previous segment how there's like maybe a tie-in with China's move against crypto and stuff.

00:22:27.000 And we have talked about all of the moves made during the pandemic and its potential relationship to a coming war.

00:22:34.000 So a few things I've said is not to imply a conspiracy.

00:22:36.000 I'm not saying that I'm saying how fortuitous for the United States based on what happened.

00:22:40.000 So you have decentralization for major cities.

00:22:43.000 If a city gets nuked, well, half a million people leave New York and many of these people are leaders in industry or high-ranking individuals in certain companies.

00:22:50.000 And they're working from home in different areas.

00:22:52.000 So now it's harder to take out our economy because you can't just go after one city.

00:22:56.000 You still can't.

00:22:57.000 You kind of can.

00:22:58.000 And then you look at what's going on with gas stations having limited fuel.

00:23:03.000 A lot of it feels like there's something happening behind the scenes we don't know about.

00:23:07.000 We don't have a very strong journalistic apparatus in this country to inform us about what's going on.

00:23:12.000 And maybe the picture is just too big at this point for any one organization or individual to see.

00:23:17.000 But I look at all this and I'm wondering if like, look, our critical infrastructure gets attacked.

00:23:21.000 That's oil pipelines and it's meat production, which was like, I think a fifth of all meat production.

00:23:27.000 Then I saw this story about a gas shortage in Colorado and I'm like, now explain to me how that happens.

00:23:32.000 I'm like, oh, it's a trucker shortage.

00:23:34.000 Then I hear from people who are like, bro, I'm a trucker.

00:23:35.000 There's no shortage.

00:23:37.000 Then where's the gas?

00:23:38.000 And who do I trust?

00:23:39.000 Well, the media's not been, you know, faithful, or I should say honest, to the American people.

00:23:44.000 I honestly don't know.

00:23:45.000 Now you look at what's happening with, you know, Crimea and the UK, you look at China and Taiwan sending 28 planes in the Taiwanese defense zone, and I'm like, is it possible?

00:23:55.000 That the things we're seeing with like gas not being at gas stations, critical infrastructure being attacked and just these international conflicts that we are dangerously close to a real conflict and both the US as well as Russia, China are shoring up their defenses, stockpiling, preparing or something like that.

00:24:14.000 I mean, I never take anything off the table.

00:24:17.000 I leave all options open.

00:24:18.000 I think that there's some other central planning issues that are going on here, which we'll definitely get into.

00:24:25.000 But I wouldn't take that off the table.

00:24:28.000 I mean, based on history and based on what we know about truthfulness coming out of government, central planning, and like you said, the sort of media or the corporate press complicity in terms of all of this, I wouldn't take it off the table.

00:24:41.000 I think when you talk about central planning, it makes me think of the Swiss bank, Bank of International Settlements, we mentioned earlier a little bit, that is like a global central financial authority that is trying, like using, you know, these Lockheed Martin and these big arms dealers to like play chess with all these countries.

00:24:59.000 And they're using our military as pawns against each other.

00:25:02.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:25:03.000 I mean, I tend to be a little bit more domestic focused, and we certainly have, at least today, most of the wealth in the world.

00:25:13.000 And I kind of feel like the central planners in our country, like most central planners, think that they know better than they actually do.

00:25:21.000 I don't know that I buy the global conspiracy because I feel like if you have that central power, like, why are you sharing it with these other guys over there?

00:25:31.000 I mean, we know that cartelization never works.

00:25:33.000 Somebody always breaks off.

00:25:35.000 And so I feel like Like, we're probably the leaders of that.

00:25:40.000 So if there's something that's going on, it's probably starting with us, because, I mean, we've got the financial center, we've got the wealth, we've got the innovation.

00:25:48.000 So the idea that there's some other puppet master in Switzerland, not to say that they're not doing things in Europe with the ECB and whatnot, but that they're actually controlling the U.S.

00:25:58.000 narrative, unless they're just smarter than our central planners, which is, I mean, I'm not a big fan of, you know, the big bank conspiracies or anything like that.

00:26:05.000 central planners.

00:26:06.000 You know, I don't know.

00:26:08.000 It's an interesting, interesting discussion. I'm not a big fan of,

00:26:11.000 you know, the big bank conspiracies or anything like

00:26:14.000 that. I certainly think we have a problem with the Fed.

00:26:17.000 Yeah, we have a big bank conspiracy with the Federal Reserve here in the

00:26:21.000 You know, what's funny is like it is a conspiracy, isn't it?

00:26:24.000 You know, the definition of conspiracy, a group of people committing some amoral, unethical or criminal act in secret.

00:26:30.000 I mean, that was literally the founding of it.

00:26:32.000 I actually talk about it in the book.

00:26:34.000 The founding of the Fed, that the idea that it was decentralized, this cloak of decentralization, which I source back, if you want to read like deep dive on this, it's a book called The Case Against the Fed by Dr. Maria Rothbard, who's a now deceased economist, who's great.

00:26:49.000 But like the way that they founded the Fed was completely to have This kind of bait and switch feel on the American public.

00:26:57.000 So, oh, no, we're decentralized.

00:26:58.000 We're not part of the government.

00:27:00.000 But when you think about the Fed, so I mean, this is really messed up.

00:27:03.000 So it's owned by its member banks.

00:27:07.000 But if it makes a profit, that goes back to the U.S.

00:27:10.000 Treasury, not to its owners.

00:27:13.000 It gets its mandate from Congress, but Congress doesn't have any ability to know or audit what's actually going on.

00:27:21.000 So is it part of the government?

00:27:23.000 Is it decentralized the way that it's described?

00:27:26.000 Is it sort of a big bank government cartel?

00:27:29.000 Yeah.

00:27:30.000 And they call it federal.

00:27:32.000 Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws.

00:27:35.000 Rothschild.

00:27:37.000 Amschel Rothschild.

00:27:39.000 I just saw that quote earlier today.

00:27:40.000 Yeah.

00:27:41.000 Bavarian.

00:27:42.000 Was Amschel the Bavarian banker?

00:27:43.000 I mean, he's like the guy that founded the Central Bank, basically.

00:27:46.000 And then he had three kids.

00:27:47.000 I think it was Amschel.

00:27:48.000 He had three kids.

00:27:49.000 One went to England, one went to France, and one went somewhere else.

00:27:52.000 And it was the one in England that really created this global banking influence.

00:27:56.000 Which founding father was it who said that centralized banking is more powerful than any standing army?

00:28:00.000 Jefferson.

00:28:01.000 Was it Jefferson?

00:28:02.000 Yeah.

00:28:02.000 Man, those guys were smart, weren't they?

00:28:03.000 They understood.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, I mean, they warned against this and they had tried to do these central banking structures before landing on the Fed and national banking structures and they had all failed.

00:28:13.000 And so this was kind of like, OK, let's let's rejigger it.

00:28:16.000 And the funny part was that the National Bank that they had put in place that was put in place by these bankers like the the Morgans and these kind of financiers.

00:28:25.000 they felt like they didn't have enough control, even though they were the ones who had structured

00:28:30.000 it. And so that's why they came up with this concept of what the Fed is today. And by the way,

00:28:35.000 so it started out with sort of these nefarious intentions and has gone completely off the rail

00:28:40.000 since then. Are you familiar with the Great Reset? So I'm like kind of macro level, like I haven't

00:28:47.000 dug into each of it, but certainly on a macro level.

00:28:50.000 You just have this World Economic Forum thing about how there's going to be a global reset of capitalism for stakeholder capitalism, and it's very woke.

00:28:58.000 And we start seeing these things happen in the United States with small businesses.

00:29:02.000 A lot of what I think you cover, that's why I ask, because a lot of people have suggested that the moves the government was making, whether intentional or not, greatly benefited this idea of a great reset.

00:29:12.000 So yeah, you wrote a book about the war on small businesses.

00:29:16.000 Tell me what the government did and what happened to these small businesses throughout the past year.

00:29:20.000 Yes.

00:29:21.000 So we're on small business.

00:29:22.000 So this is the most underreported, infuriating story of the last 12 to 15 months.

00:29:30.000 And really, if you want to talk about it going back decades, but really in the last 12 to 15 months, you had a government deciding Who was essential and who was not essential?

00:29:41.000 Who was going to thrive and who was going to fight to survive?

00:29:45.000 And this was not based on data.

00:29:47.000 This was not based on science.

00:29:49.000 This was based on political clout and connections.

00:29:54.000 And what that did, and we talked a little bit about it, is it enabled the greatest wealth transfer that we've ever seen in history and the greatest power transfer.

00:30:03.000 You had seven technology companies in 2020 that gained collectively $3.4 trillion in value in seven companies.

00:30:14.000 At the same time that you had Main Street businesses, by June of 2020, Hamilton Project said 400,000 of them had closed permanently.

00:30:22.000 Millions more struggling to survive.

00:30:24.000 Oh, and by the way, it was a record year for initial public offerings.

00:30:28.000 It was a record year for SPACs, which are Special Purpose Acquisition Companies, which are highly speculative investment vehicles that only pop up in very frothy environments where people are trying to chase yields.

00:30:40.000 And, you know, again, there's this just giant disconnect.

00:30:45.000 Savers and retirees, you know, all getting thrown under the bus.

00:30:49.000 And nobody wants to talk about this.

00:30:51.000 Nobody wants to talk about this battle that's going on.

00:30:55.000 And that has been sort of laid out for us over the last couple of decades as we've moved away from capitalism to more more towards central planning.

00:31:05.000 And then the worst part about the whole thing is that capitalism is the one that's getting blamed for it, even though it was done by government mandates.

00:31:13.000 And so that's why, as I was approached to kind of do an economic debrief on what was happening during the pandemic, that the small business story just had that line.

00:31:24.000 It was like so important.

00:31:26.000 But it was also just important in terms of creating that through line.

00:31:31.000 Between decentralization and central planning, because that's what so many of us are fighting for.

00:31:36.000 If it's not small business, it's crypto, it's the gig economy, it's the creator economy.

00:31:42.000 All of these are trying to go in a decentralized manner to fight back and have those free market tenants against this consolidated power.

00:31:51.000 And so it's really important for us to all be aligned on that.

00:31:54.000 I want to ask you about something that Biden said, and he said it in a really weird way, but okay, we got the story.

00:32:00.000 Pay them more.

00:32:01.000 Bizarre moment Biden whispers and blames employers' low wages for worker shortages, then insists inflation will only be temporary.

00:32:09.000 So there's two things here.

00:32:11.000 This idea that the reason companies are struggling to find people to work for them is that they're not paying well enough.

00:32:17.000 But we also know that the CDC just extended the eviction moratorium, which is, in essence, free money for a lot of people.

00:32:24.000 There's also the extended unemployment benefits, which is literally free money for a lot of people.

00:32:27.000 Not that I'm suggesting these people don't need that money, but it certainly creates an economic pressure where people are less inclined to work or go seek out work.

00:32:37.000 And so Biden is making the accusation that it's the small businesses' fault, or companies in general, for not paying more.

00:32:45.000 I mean, so so basically, so this is this is all part of the plan.

00:32:49.000 And I'll just ask you to keep this in the back of your mind as we talk about this.

00:32:53.000 Like if you were trying to kill small businesses, if you were trying to only have a handful of big businesses and you were trying to get people more dependent on the government through UBI, those kinds of things, would you do anything different than what played out the last 12 to 15 months without being just 100 percent obvious?

00:33:13.000 So, yeah, I mean, you have the government now in competition with the businesses for employees.

00:33:20.000 And I'm all for paying employees as much as possible.

00:33:23.000 I think it's a good business practice.

00:33:25.000 I think that you retain better employees and more loyal.

00:33:29.000 But you don't want to legislate that because then you've got 16 year olds who are holding up a sign that says come see the sandwich shop.

00:33:37.000 We're getting paid $30 an hour when you could just stick that in the side of the road.

00:33:41.000 There's an economic reason behind it.

00:33:43.000 So the fact that we have 9.3 million jobs that we can't fill is because central planners didn't want you to be able to fill them and they wanted

00:33:55.000 people to be conditioned to depend on the government. But we know that the only people who've ever

00:34:01.000 gotten wealthy being on the government dole are politicians. Nobody ever gets wealthy on that on the

00:34:06.000 government dole. It feels to me like this is all part of the same exact problem. I'll call it a

00:34:11.000 problem, right?

00:34:13.000 So you had the government shuts down in a variety of fashions, different governments, different jurisdictions, shut down small business, Walmart, Target, big box stores, Amazon, they're all open.

00:34:22.000 So they made, what was the number?

00:34:24.000 So it wasn't necessarily, it was, there were seven tech companies, so you know, Google, Amazon, Tesla, Facebook, whatever it was, $3.4 trillion in value.

00:34:24.000 Was it three trillion?

00:34:36.000 So like you said, they were open for business.

00:34:36.000 Two tiers to that.

00:34:39.000 So the small businesses that couldn't be open for businesses saw their customers moving to these big companies and dollars going that way.

00:34:45.000 And then you had the Federal Reserve pumping in money to support the stock market.

00:34:50.000 So the stock prices increased.

00:34:51.000 So the value of those companies increased as well.

00:34:53.000 So it was done on two levels.

00:34:56.000 Now think about the next circumstance created by the government.

00:35:01.000 Not only are small businesses competing with the government because they're paying people,

00:35:05.000 but all of the money, I should say most of the money last year went to these big massive

00:35:09.000 box stores.

00:35:11.000 So who can afford to pay more?

00:35:13.000 When Joe Biden says pay them more.

00:35:15.000 Okay, well, Amazon's like, you know, we did have, you know, massive profits last year.

00:35:19.000 All right, we'll increase wages that can out-compete the government. 0.89

00:35:22.000 But that mom and pop coffee shop?

00:35:24.000 They can't just manifest money out of nowhere.

00:35:26.000 They can't compete.

00:35:27.000 And there's no surprise that, you know, prior to this, you had seen Amazon and some of the other big companies start pushing for a higher mandated minimum wage.

00:35:39.000 And the reason why they started pushing for a higher minimum wage because they know it's anti-competitive and they know it would drive some of the smaller players out of business.

00:35:47.000 And so basically that's what's happening on a de facto basis here is they're trying to end around instead of legislating it.

00:35:55.000 They're trying to do it by we're going to interfere in the market.

00:35:58.000 We're going to make it really difficult for people to want to go back to work.

00:36:01.000 We're going to compensate them for staying home.

00:36:04.000 And then we're going to force these businesses.

00:36:06.000 who have been struggling.

00:36:08.000 They were shut down by government mandate.

00:36:10.000 They were not appropriately compensated for giving up their property for the public good under eminent domain concepts under the Constitution.

00:36:18.000 Then you just get back.

00:36:20.000 You've hung on this whole time and you can't find anybody to work.

00:36:25.000 And by the way, it's not even just low wages.

00:36:27.000 I've talked to small businesses all over this country.

00:36:30.000 They're paying higher wages as they're offering bonuses.

00:36:33.000 Many of them can't even get people to apply.

00:36:36.000 So it's not even just like, oh, well, you need to raise the wage a couple dollars because they've done that and they still can't get people back.

00:36:43.000 Some have argued that the problem here is fulfillment.

00:36:48.000 You know, with last year, people being given the opportunity not to, say, flip burgers, which I don't think there's any lack of dignity in being a burger flipper.

00:36:56.000 People love burgers.

00:36:57.000 But a lot of people, they want more fulfilling work.

00:37:00.000 And so the argument is they're just choosing to avoid Burger King or McDonald's or even working at a coffee shop.

00:37:06.000 So yes and no.

00:37:08.000 So I do think there are a lot of people who had the opportunity for once to pause and reflect and actually make some decisions, which I think is if there's any silver lining, maybe that's one of them.

00:37:20.000 But if that were the case, we wouldn't have 9.3 million jobs unfilled.

00:37:25.000 You would have the ones at the higher levels getting filled and then these other ones.

00:37:29.000 Not being fulfilled.

00:37:30.000 And that's not what the data is coming back and telling us.

00:37:32.000 Nobody can find the jobs.

00:37:33.000 And it's not just the burger flipper jobs.

00:37:35.000 It's a lot of mid tier and other jobs as well.

00:37:39.000 And then the interesting part, if you look at kind of the data around wages, you're going to see wages really haven't increased.

00:37:47.000 But the hidden sort of data behind that is that a lot of boomers took the opportunity to retire and to opt out of the workforce.

00:37:54.000 So you have people who are making high five and six figure salaries who said, you know what, I'm going to retire.

00:38:00.000 So those wages have now come out.

00:38:03.000 And when you're computing the average, obviously, that brings the average down.

00:38:06.000 So even if you look at the low end, those have gone up enormously.

00:38:10.000 But if you look at it as just one giant pie, it looks like, oh, well, wages haven't moved at all.

00:38:15.000 Another component, too, is these are the jobs we can see when we see Burger King putting up a sign saying $500 sign-on bonus or $1,000.

00:38:23.000 What people don't realize is that sourcing raw materials and even manufacturing jobs, a lot of these companies that you don't know even exist are struggling to find people.

00:38:35.000 And then the inflation pieces you had led in with, so that you have the problem with not being able to find people, which is making it more costly, but then trying to get the raw materials and everything kind of running through the supply chain, and then obviously just having just an enormous amount of money supply out there, all of these things driving up prices.

00:38:54.000 So again, if you're the small business, you can't find somebody to work and you've hung on to survive.

00:38:59.000 You also, if you're trying to buy chicken because you make chicken wings, we saw, you know, was it Buffalo Wild Wings is now doing like the thighs because they can't get the wings anymore.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:08.000 Really?

00:39:09.000 I don't know if it's that particular brand.

00:39:11.000 One of the major brands has changed to thighs because they can't get the wings anymore.

00:39:16.000 We here at TimCast love some B-dubs. 0.97

00:39:18.000 We do.

00:39:19.000 Ian was right.

00:39:19.000 We had an argument.

00:39:20.000 So is this personally devastating news for you then?

00:39:23.000 I'm going to flip this whole table over.

00:39:28.000 And this is how this affects your life, people.

00:39:30.000 We're on small business right here.

00:39:32.000 But actually, it may be the most important thing.

00:39:35.000 No joke.

00:39:35.000 I mean, look, going out to the bar, watching a game, having wings and rings and whatever else.

00:39:40.000 You can't get that?

00:39:42.000 That's when people go, hey, wait a minute.

00:39:44.000 Hold on.

00:39:45.000 You know, when people hear, like, it's hard to get a computer chip, so computers are more expensive, they might go, I don't know.

00:39:51.000 Actually, there was a survey done.

00:39:53.000 They asked people about certain products and whether or not the cost had increased.

00:39:58.000 And airplane tickets and electronics, people were unsure of and didn't know.

00:40:03.000 But chicken wings and gas were way up, and they knew it.

00:40:06.000 And bacon, too.

00:40:08.000 I think of all of the things that can be taken away because of government failures that impact small businesses, they really have to be careful because if they start affecting... Bacon supply.

00:40:08.000 So this is interesting.

00:40:18.000 That would be, yeah, tragic.

00:40:20.000 Right.

00:40:21.000 It is silly to think like, haha, bacon.

00:40:23.000 But no, I mean, people wake up and have eggs and bacon.

00:40:25.000 People go to McDonald's and get sausage, egg and bacon.

00:40:27.000 People eat these things.

00:40:28.000 They enjoy them.

00:40:29.000 The reason it's a joke is because we know that people really love this stuff.

00:40:33.000 If they can't find it, they start asking questions.

00:40:35.000 People start getting mad.

00:40:37.000 And that's when you gotta get worried if you're the government.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, I mean, but it's about so much more than that.

00:40:41.000 I mean, it really is about our economic freedom.

00:40:44.000 I mean, I think people when they think about business and you say, like, how many big businesses are out there?

00:40:50.000 And I do this with people all the time.

00:40:51.000 Like, I'll hear like, oh, I think there's like probably like a million.

00:40:53.000 It's like, no, there's five thousand ish publicly traded companies in the U.S.

00:40:59.000 and there's like another five to seven thousand, maybe, maybe up to ten thousand.

00:41:04.000 There's like between 10 and 15 thousand big businesses in the U.S.

00:41:08.000 There before covid was 30.2 million small businesses that account for half the GDP and about half the employment.

00:41:19.000 So when we talk about this, I think people feel like this is like a niche issue that doesn't really affect.

00:41:24.000 This is a half the economy.

00:41:26.000 And if you have to understand sort of the thought process behind this, that if you are the government and you're trying to usurp power, which they have done in terms of how much they're spending laws, you know, purview, everything else.

00:41:40.000 If you're trying to deal with people, you're trying to get reelected, you're trying to get campaign funds, you're trying to push legislation through whatever it is.

00:41:48.000 What is easier to do?

00:41:49.000 Like get like 10,000 big businesses behind you or 30.2 million small businesses behind you?

00:41:55.000 This is a nuisance.

00:41:57.000 We heard the banks were too big to fail.

00:42:00.000 They did.

00:42:01.000 They did awful things that ended up screwing up the economy for all of our lives.

00:42:05.000 And they got a bailout.

00:42:08.000 Yet they closed small business by mandate and they got crumbs because not only are they too small to matter, but they are too hard to control.

00:42:19.000 And that is the intention here.

00:42:21.000 Like you cannot walk away from this.

00:42:23.000 You cannot go through this and think it's not intentional.

00:42:27.000 And by the way, even if you don't, the outcome is still just as bad, but this is intentional.

00:42:32.000 Is the intent to just steal wealth from middle class and working class people?

00:42:37.000 It's to consolidate power by any means.

00:42:40.000 What happens to those people, it doesn't matter because they're not in the club.

00:42:45.000 If you're not in the club, you don't matter.

00:42:47.000 You're just like, you're just pawns in the game.

00:42:51.000 And so they have seen that we have allowed them to consolidate more and more power.

00:42:57.000 I mean, you have small businesses and there are a couple of examples of small business owners, Attila's Gym, Shelly Luther and her Salon a la Mode that I talk about in the book, who said, no, you're not you're not going to take my property.

00:43:09.000 This is you're infringing on my property rights and you haven't compensated me for it.

00:43:12.000 But a lot of people said, well, OK, There was something that happened to me that you briefly mentioned hearing about before the show.

00:43:20.000 It's that I got denied a loan for a home.

00:43:23.000 And that was shocking to me because, look, I'm not trying to be like a braggart.

00:43:28.000 We have a successful company here, and I wanted to get a small house.

00:43:32.000 It's relatively small.

00:43:34.000 The bank said no, and they sent false credit information to me.

00:43:38.000 It felt like I was just told, you are not allowed.

00:43:42.000 It was three months of runaround, constantly asking for new documents, and something weird happened.

00:43:46.000 Maybe it was a bad company, that could be the case.

00:43:48.000 But we are seeing this thing with BlackRock.

00:43:51.000 These firms that just get essentially free money from the Fed, and they can outbid any working class person to buy up this property.

00:43:58.000 And we're watching them buy up property like crazy, and then turn them into rental properties.

00:44:03.000 Where we're going to end up having the millennial generation right now entering their 40s, right?

00:44:09.000 We're old people at this point.

00:44:11.000 The kids are going off to college in some instances.

00:44:11.000 They have kids.

00:44:14.000 But they're unable to own property, which means they're going to have less wealth to transfer to the next generation.

00:44:20.000 They're not going to have something they control.

00:44:22.000 Not only that, they're going to be beholden to student loan debt and to their landlords, which are going to be big firms.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, and if you think about wealth creation, it's something that obviously I spend a lot of time talking about.

00:44:35.000 The way that you create wealth is through equity.

00:44:38.000 And when I say equity, I don't mean equity in the sort of critical race theory.

00:44:42.000 Equity, I mean in the financial terms of equity, having ownership in something.

00:44:47.000 So, ways that you create equity.

00:44:49.000 You have equity by building a business.

00:44:51.000 Good for you.

00:44:52.000 American dream, doing that.

00:44:53.000 You may not sort of have the ability to do that, but you invest in the stock market and you participate in the equity increases of other businesses.

00:45:01.000 Maybe you work for a private company and you're able to get stock options, so you get to own a piece of the business that you're working for.

00:45:07.000 You own a house and you get equity.

00:45:09.000 Ownership is wealth creation.

00:45:13.000 And so limiting those opportunities by government interference in the free market leads to less wealth for everyone.

00:45:22.000 And that's the frustrating part for me.

00:45:23.000 You know, my background, we talked about being a recovering investment banker, but I'm the first person in my immediate family who graduated from college.

00:45:32.000 My dad was an electrician.

00:45:33.000 You know, his parents went through the Great Depression and were super poor and grew up on the west side of Chicago.

00:45:39.000 That's where he grew up.

00:45:40.000 And so he came out of there and worked really hard and saved up a bunch of money and then sent me to school and couldn't afford it.

00:45:46.000 So then I had to pay down my college loans and so on and so forth.

00:45:49.000 But I've gotten to the point where I am today Which nobody could believe because of this American dream, because of the system of capitalism.

00:45:58.000 And I've watched it over the course of my career from whether it's interference in the stock market.

00:46:04.000 And you're seeing this in the ape community and the retail investors who are trying to fight back against, you know, the the the tilted playing field in the stock market. 1.00

00:46:13.000 You're seeing this in small business versus big business.

00:46:16.000 You're seeing us move away from capitalism.

00:46:20.000 And we've exported it.

00:46:21.000 We exported it to China to their benefit. 1.00

00:46:24.000 And we've imported more central planning to our detriment.

00:46:27.000 And that is affecting the wealth creation opportunities.

00:46:31.000 Because with capitalism, the pie grows and there's an abundance ability for anybody to participate in that.

00:46:38.000 I mean, a lot of people talk about a communist takeover here in the United States or cultural Marxism.

00:46:38.000 It's interesting.

00:46:43.000 And then we think about the buying up of all these properties and how it will result in a generation, probably not millennials, maybe not necessarily Gen Z, but certainly Gen Alpha, is going to be a generation of renters.

00:46:55.000 What happens when there's an economic crash?

00:46:58.000 And not a single individual, or I should say for the most part, 90% don't own the property and can't pay their rent.

00:47:04.000 And then you get a massive government intervention to a big firm saying, we're going to bail you out in exchange for partial ownership.

00:47:10.000 And now the government becomes one of the largest stakeholders in owning all of the buildings that people live in.

00:47:17.000 It may not be communism, but you're certainly walking very close to the government owning where you live.

00:47:22.000 Well, or potentially that you have, you know, all of these dollars coming in from China, which we've seen happen as well.

00:47:30.000 And you have people who Chinese, you know, Chinese people, not American Chinese people, but actual communist Chinese who are buying up properties as well.

00:47:39.000 It's another possible way to, you know, infiltrate and take over the country by taking over the wealth creation opportunities.

00:47:48.000 Yeah, so I have some articles I want to show you real quick.

00:47:51.000 This one's from May 28th, Forbes.

00:47:53.000 Realtors will hate me for this, but here's five reasons why you absolutely shouldn't buy a home right now.

00:47:58.000 Here's another one.

00:48:00.000 Nearly two-thirds of Millennials have home buyer regrets, new survey says.

00:48:04.000 How about this one?

00:48:05.000 Millennials who snapped up homes in the hot real estate market revealed their biggest regrets, from unexpected costs to high mortgage payments.

00:48:13.000 Op-Ed.

00:48:14.000 Home prices are going through the roof.

00:48:16.000 Millennials piling into the market is one big driver. 0.99

00:48:19.000 Can we talk about the government inflation piece of this as well?

00:48:21.000 So this is really fascinating.

00:48:24.000 May report from the National Association of Home Builders said that government regulation adds $94,000 to the average price of a new home built.

00:48:37.000 Then go take a look at property taxes and how much those continue to increase every year.

00:48:37.000 Geez.

00:48:42.000 So just the government itself is adding more and more cost to homeownership.

00:48:47.000 And if you go back to the market dynamics of supply and demand, how many times do people want to build more housing and they're not able to because of zoning laws or NIMBY or, you know, whatever it is.

00:49:00.000 And so we have this constricted supply of housing as well.

00:49:06.000 And so you've got all of these ways that the government is interfering in the market between the Fed, between the government inflation, between the laws.

00:49:14.000 Well, it's these media outlets seem to be trying to discourage people from owning homes as well, right?

00:49:19.000 So already you have it very difficult for millennials to compete with massive firms.

00:49:24.000 Now they're being persuaded by the media, don't buy a house.

00:49:26.000 Oh, they regret all of it.

00:49:27.000 This is one of the craziest things to me, this millennials buy homes and regret it. 1.00

00:49:32.000 I think these millennials, I've said it before, if you buy a house, if you save up for a down payment, can you do zero down right now? 1.00

00:49:40.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:49:41.000 I mean, it used to be a big thing.

00:49:42.000 So I think that they've actually cracked down quite a bit.

00:49:45.000 As you know, they've actually made it more difficult in many ways to get homes.

00:49:50.000 They're not sort of doing this free-for-all that they did.

00:49:53.000 But as you know, it always ends up bifurcated where people who you're like, well, how did that person get a house?

00:50:00.000 And then, you know, people who have great credit and whatnot are finding they have to jump through a million different doors.

00:50:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:06.000 For me, it was a three months of hoops and they ultimately said no.

00:50:09.000 But I guess what I want to tell millennials is messages.

00:50:14.000 If you end up being able to buy a house, if you save up enough, you need as much as you need for the down payment, maybe it's 5%.

00:50:19.000 So if it's like a $200,000 house, you might only need 10 grand.

00:50:22.000 And not an easy feat for a lot of people.

00:50:24.000 But if you can save up, maybe you have a significant other.

00:50:27.000 If you don't like the house, rental management companies can run it for you.

00:50:32.000 And you are a homeowner, and you're a landlord.

00:50:35.000 It's crazy to me that they're trying to tell people not to do this.

00:50:38.000 It's going to create corporations, companies that own the property, and the people who don't.

00:50:44.000 That's the direction we're heading in.

00:50:46.000 And I'm going to tell you, man, it's going to be a dystopian future when people don't own anything.

00:50:50.000 But that's that's the Great Reset.

00:50:51.000 It's these articles where they're like, homeownership is bad.

00:50:54.000 People don't want it is the most blatant manipulation I've seen in the last two years from corporate media about what we're talking about the Great Reset.

00:51:02.000 And it's sad that more people don't know that this is manipulation, that this is that this is marketing and that it's I mean, they could just say, maybe buy a smaller house.

00:51:12.000 I mean, part of the issue is, right, is that we've kind of gone to this McMansion kind of thing.

00:51:18.000 If you think about the square footage of the houses that people grew up in back in the day, well, I'm older than you, but back Back in my day when I walked to school uphill both ways, you know, the houses were much smaller.

00:51:30.000 And so we've kind of gone to this place where there's bigger, but there's all different kinds of options.

00:51:36.000 And so maybe it's yeah, maybe you don't need the bigger house, but still.

00:51:40.000 Buy something.

00:51:41.000 Get ownership.

00:51:41.000 Get equity.

00:51:42.000 Ownership leads to wealth.

00:51:44.000 We want to encourage prosperity for everyone.

00:51:47.000 We want everyone to be in the game.

00:51:48.000 Because if you don't have everybody in the game... Go ahead.

00:51:52.000 Do you know where I'm going?

00:51:53.000 I was going to say, the message that we espouse is empower yourself.

00:51:58.000 The message that these firms and the media says is Disempower yourself.

00:52:03.000 Become weak.

00:52:04.000 Give us the power.

00:52:05.000 Give us control.

00:52:05.000 You're the victim.

00:52:06.000 Right, exactly.

00:52:06.000 Go on the government.

00:52:07.000 UBI.

00:52:08.000 Let the government take care of you.

00:52:10.000 Let them give you $12,000 a year because that's going to make you wealthy.

00:52:13.000 It's not logical.

00:52:14.000 That's what gets me.

00:52:15.000 This messaging is not logical.

00:52:17.000 To tell people not to buy land is not logical.

00:52:20.000 Someone is doing this on purpose.

00:52:22.000 You guys remember that viral video where the guy's like, read a book, read a book, read a mother-effing book.

00:52:28.000 And then there's one part, he's like, buy some land, buy some land, yo, I have spinning rims.

00:52:28.000 Yes.

00:52:32.000 Yeah, buy some land, man.

00:52:34.000 You give that to your kids when you pass.

00:52:36.000 Go follow on Twitter, Wu Tang Financial.

00:52:38.000 Oh my gosh.

00:52:40.000 Wu-Tang Financial.

00:52:41.000 They'll give you all these kinds of like great nuggets, your kind of meme style.

00:52:44.000 But the underlying message, absolutely.

00:52:48.000 And, you know, maybe if the housing thing isn't for you, then go get equity in businesses.

00:52:54.000 Oh, except for the fact that when you go do that, then you're going to get shut down.

00:52:54.000 Build a business.

00:52:58.000 The government's your number one risk.

00:52:59.000 And it's so interesting, the parallel between what happened with big and small businesses, with the CARES relief, And what you're talking about with the housing market, because what happened, and we've seen it in previous bailouts, all this money goes to big companies.

00:53:15.000 The CARES Act was primarily trillions of dollars to cronies who, by the way, didn't have to do anything to get it.

00:53:20.000 They didn't have to apply.

00:53:22.000 But if you were a small business, you had to step up and apply.

00:53:25.000 And the biggest small businesses, Kanye West and Tom Brady, got PPP loans.

00:53:31.000 But your pizza shop down the road didn't.

00:53:33.000 And so you know how you said you had all that paperwork that you had to fill out?

00:53:37.000 It's the same thing for the small business.

00:53:39.000 You have to jump through the hoops.

00:53:40.000 They made it hard.

00:53:41.000 If you had a bad background check, they said, sorry, you know, we can't give you the loan because, you know, you've got bad debt.

00:53:48.000 They made it as hard as possible for the people who needed it the most, who, again, did nothing wrong.

00:53:54.000 This was government mandate, taking their property, subverting their property rights.

00:54:00.000 And they were the ones that had to jump through the hoops?

00:54:02.000 Is that because they just assumed those businesses were going to go out of business anyway?

00:54:05.000 They wanted them out of business.

00:54:06.000 They didn't care that that that is just extra people riffraff that can come onto the government dole, that can go work for Amazon. 0.99

00:54:14.000 They want to consolidate power.

00:54:16.000 This is central planning versus decentralization.

00:54:19.000 This is crypto versus the Fed.

00:54:22.000 This this is what's happening retail versus the market.

00:54:25.000 This this is decentralization versus centralization.

00:54:28.000 And then it comes back to crypto, you know, why there's this move against it, why many, many poor people are convinced to get away from it, why the articles say China's cracking down, dodge this, don't go near it.

00:54:43.000 And it's an escape, right?

00:54:45.000 That's how it's been described by a lot of people.

00:54:46.000 We had Max Keiser on the show and he said it gets you out of that system.

00:54:49.000 Maybe you can't own property, but you can own crypto and that's something they can't control.

00:54:53.000 And boy, do they not like that.

00:54:55.000 No, they don't.

00:54:55.000 I mean, that's that's potentially crypto's biggest risk right now is that you have a stock market that's valued in dollars.

00:55:03.000 You have an IRS that takes payment in dollars and you have a U.S.

00:55:07.000 government with the central bank's pseudo attached to it that has a military, although the military's gone woke.

00:55:13.000 So maybe that's not as bad.

00:55:14.000 Big of a risk anymore.

00:55:16.000 But, you know, they don't want to give up that power.

00:55:20.000 They don't want somebody else to have that power and be in the in-club.

00:55:24.000 They're going to do everything they can to fight it, which is exactly why people are fighting back against it, which I think is great and I think needs to happen.

00:55:32.000 But that's where this is going to come down to.

00:55:35.000 And so that's what we need to be watching.

00:55:37.000 So all of this stuff, right?

00:55:39.000 The war on small businesses, the telling people to buy houses and take away their property.

00:55:43.000 What's the future you see if this trend continues?

00:55:46.000 So what's going to end up happening is that you have small businesses, you're going to have economic freedoms taken away and you're going to have them taken away.

00:55:55.000 And we've seen the seeds planted.

00:55:56.000 It's under the guise of capitalism.

00:55:58.000 Capitalism isn't working, they tell you.

00:56:01.000 We're in late stage capitalism.

00:56:03.000 Capitalism is just freedom, choice and transparency with property rights.

00:56:06.000 So there is no stages.

00:56:07.000 It's just kind of like on a spectrum over here with free choice versus forced coercion and control.

00:56:13.000 And so they're going to blame capitalism.

00:56:14.000 They're going to get people riled up and go, yeah, you know, you're right.

00:56:16.000 We should probably have the government in charge of more things.

00:56:19.000 It's going to kill more businesses. 0.99

00:56:21.000 And you're going to end up with some form of a pseudo centrally planned hybrid economy where maybe, you know, Amazon and, you know, 50 other companies get to do their thing and everything else is the government.

00:56:34.000 And like you said, you own nothing.

00:56:36.000 You have no wealth creation opportunities.

00:56:38.000 And we have squandered the biggest opportunity for economic freedom that has ever happened in history in the world.

00:56:46.000 What scares me about all this is that there's this idea you will own nothing and you will be happy.

00:56:53.000 But I don't believe that centralized economies or command control and authoritarianism actually work.

00:57:00.000 It's this utopian pipe dream.

00:57:02.000 Well, history has proven that they don't.

00:57:04.000 We don't have any example anywhere in history that it's ever worked.

00:57:07.000 So yeah, you don't just have to believe it.

00:57:09.000 You could just follow the data.

00:57:10.000 So what happens is You get every, what is it, every generation or multiple generations, you get some crackpot despot saying, I should control everything because I'm smarter than all them.

00:57:22.000 And then they realize calculating the economic requirements of billions of people cannot be done by a single mind or a committee or a council or a small firm.

00:57:32.000 It requires decentralized economics or, hey, free enterprise.

00:57:36.000 100 percent.

00:57:37.000 I mean, this this is and go back to basic economics by Thomas Sowell or anything else.

00:57:37.000 100 percent.

00:57:44.000 And people making free choices are going to tell the market what they need.

00:57:50.000 And certainly at any point in time, there may be a slight dislocation, but it gets it gets fixed.

00:57:55.000 I mean, look at toilet paper, right?

00:57:57.000 What happened in March of 2020?

00:57:58.000 We had a problem.

00:58:00.000 People decided to have a run on toilet paper.

00:58:02.000 I don't know why that was the, like, one thing if there's gonna be a pandemic that you're worried about, but people cared about their behinds.

00:58:08.000 I have a bidet.

00:58:09.000 Wasn't a big deal to me, but I'm always ahead of the curve.

00:58:12.000 So, you know, Marco Rubio goes out and he writes an op-ed and, like, one of the papers, like, oh, well, we really need to be on top of the supply chain.

00:58:21.000 Yes, there's going to be bad actors.

00:58:23.000 There's more toilet paper than anybody wanted.

00:58:25.000 And certainly there are going to be continued disruptions when the government intervenes.

00:58:29.000 But if you let the market sort itself out, like it's going to figure it out over time.

00:58:34.000 Yes, there's going to be bad actors.

00:58:35.000 There is bad actors in every system or unsystem, as I like to call capitalism.

00:58:41.000 But you have rules and regulations in place to take care of those specific things that

00:58:47.000 infringe on property rights.

00:58:49.000 But there is never going to be a committee of people who have your best interest at heart.

00:58:54.000 I mean, that's the part that's that's the worst.

00:58:56.000 People seem to think that there are these people sitting in Washington who want them to succeed and that they're going to do what's right for them over their own best interest.

00:59:05.000 That is just not human nature.

00:59:06.000 That's why representative of democracy doesn't work, because those people do not represent others.

00:59:11.000 They represent themselves and it's up to the individual to represent themselves.

00:59:15.000 We're in an ancient system right now.

00:59:16.000 It's back to Milton Friedman, you know, where are you going to find these angels to organize the economy for us?

00:59:22.000 And this is the part where it's like both frustrating and exciting because like I look at the people who like were the former Bernie bros and progressives and sort of the independents where I sit and even some of the conservatives And a lot of us are circling around the same ideas, guys.

00:59:38.000 We have the same issues.

00:59:40.000 We have the same problems.

00:59:42.000 We just haven't quite gotten there on the solution.

00:59:45.000 And so I hope that people who may think the government is the right answer takes a look at what the government's been involved in, how many laws we have, how much money they're spending, what their outcomes have been.

01:00:00.000 And go, oh, my God, we've got Frankenstein. 0.99

01:00:02.000 We've got to kill the monster here. 1.00

01:00:03.000 And let's look at the other opportunity. 0.99

01:00:06.000 Is there a way, even if you don't if you think the government somehow needs to be involved, is there a way to bring more transparency and more free choice to everything we do and keep the government out of the way?

01:00:17.000 One of the challenges is the media.

01:00:19.000 You know, we both love it.

01:00:20.000 We hate it.

01:00:21.000 But you mentioned more choices.

01:00:23.000 If people don't know something exists or, you know, how do they find it?

01:00:26.000 How do they buy it?

01:00:27.000 And it's something that I think it was Steve Jobs who said, how do they know they want it if they've never seen it?

01:00:33.000 So you have to, you know, explore and make things.

01:00:36.000 But to this point, when it came to toilet paper and the gasoline thing that happened just this past month or so with the shortage in local shortages, It was the media.

01:00:46.000 You know, the media started telling people toilet paper was vanishing, so people got up and ran to the toilet paper.

01:00:50.000 Don't, whatever you do, don't buy toilet paper.

01:00:54.000 I mean it!

01:00:55.000 Don't buy toilet paper.

01:00:58.000 Do you have stock in Charmin or something?

01:01:03.000 It's like the fire alarm where it's like, don't pull.

01:01:09.000 All I want to do is just pull.

01:01:11.000 Anytime they tell me not to do something or they tell you that it's going to be a panic, of course that's what's going to set people off.

01:01:19.000 It's like nobody understands human nature, or perhaps they understand it very well, and they're manipulating you.

01:01:25.000 You're right.

01:01:26.000 Human nature is very interesting because language is not literal.

01:01:29.000 When you say, don't get angry, what people are hearing is... Calm down!

01:01:34.000 They're literally hearing, get angry, get angry.

01:01:36.000 The word don't's there, but they're hearing, get angry, get angry.

01:01:39.000 So it vibrates a different... It makes people get... So you want to say like, be happy, be peaceful.

01:01:44.000 Not, don't be angry.

01:01:46.000 It's a double negative.

01:01:47.000 It doesn't work in language.

01:01:48.000 Unspoken language.

01:01:49.000 Calm down.

01:01:50.000 Calm down.

01:01:51.000 Any woman.

01:01:52.000 You ever tell any woman to calm down, your marriage will end. 1.00

01:01:56.000 Like they're on the spot.

01:01:58.000 Like the two least effective words together in the human language is calm down.

01:02:03.000 I've noticed if you tell people you're happy, you're listening to me, then they start to listen to you.

01:02:07.000 As opposed to in a fight being like, you're not listening.

01:02:09.000 Then they stop.

01:02:10.000 Then they're like, I'm not listening.

01:02:11.000 OK, I'm not listening.

01:02:12.000 I'm not listening.

01:02:13.000 So you want to like create, you know, positive Yeah, I mean, this is what improv is based off of.

01:02:18.000 But fun fact, me, I actually studied with Second City.

01:02:21.000 And so I've got a little bit of improv background.

01:02:24.000 And so one of the things they teach you in improv is this technique called Yes And.

01:02:28.000 It's like the, you know, kind of ground floor, where is when somebody says something, instead of like saying no, and like going in direction, You say yes, and and then you go and you use that to build a bridge to something.

01:02:39.000 And so it's acknowledging like, yeah, I hear what you have to say.

01:02:43.000 And like, let's bring this into the discussion, too.

01:02:45.000 It's just it's the same thing, but it's communicated in a way that's more inclusive and makes people feel like like you're taking and listening to them, which, by the way, at the end of the day, a lot of that's what a lot of this is about.

01:02:57.000 People just want to be heard.

01:02:59.000 I want to jump to the story and give a shout out to Mr. Glenn Greenwald.

01:03:02.000 We have this story from, well, we just have a lot of Daily Mail today.

01:03:06.000 Firebrand journalist Glenn Greenwald slams MSNBC and CNN for dangerous failure to investigate issues and praises Fox as the only news outlet presenting an opposite opinion.

01:03:18.000 It's crazy that we're in this era, because I grew up with Fox News being the bad ones.

01:03:22.000 That was weird and ideologically homogenous.

01:03:26.000 But now it's true.

01:03:26.000 I mean, you look at MSNBC and CNN, and if the government said it, it's true.

01:03:31.000 That's it.

01:03:31.000 Fox, you know, Tucker Carlson, he brings on Antifa.

01:03:34.000 And the funny thing is, so I know these activists, these old hackers, they posted a photo today of themselves with Glenn Greenwald, and they were like, just disparaging their young selves, saying, it's not our fault, we didn't change.

01:03:46.000 And I'm like, yo, like, These people used to be fans of Glenn Greenwald, fans of WikiLeaks.

01:03:51.000 Now they're actively defending the FBI and MSNBC and CNN.

01:03:55.000 Like, how does this happen, this shift?

01:03:57.000 So I'll tell you what happened is people have abandoned, and I don't know, maybe it never existed, but it's really gone, I think, with social media and the other direction.

01:04:05.000 They've abandoned the concept of principles.

01:04:07.000 Everything is party, it's politics, it's people.

01:04:11.000 But it's not principle.

01:04:13.000 So I'm on the team.

01:04:14.000 You know, either this is my sports team or it's my religion or whatever it is.

01:04:19.000 And like, no matter what it is, if it's coming from my arena, I'm going to agree it's good.

01:04:24.000 And I'm not saying that, you know, I don't have a set of principles that I'm judging things against.

01:04:29.000 And so, I mean, you see this all the time.

01:04:31.000 They do the man on the street segments where you tell somebody a statement and you put a different name attached and all of a sudden they don't agree with the statement anymore.

01:04:39.000 We got to get back to just Pete.

01:04:41.000 People you don't like can say things that are interesting and make sense, and people you do like can say things that you don't agree with or you think that are completely insane.

01:04:49.000 And it is every side of the coin.

01:04:51.000 It is the left, it is the right. 0.99

01:04:52.000 The easiest content, you'll see it from Jimmy Kimmel, he goes outside and says something like, you know, Donald Trump said this, and then he'll get dumb people to say dumb things and then go, haha, look how dumb Trump supporters are. 0.68

01:05:03.000 But then you'll see the same thing for people on the right, where they'll go out and say things like, you know, Barack Obama said X, and they'll cheer for it, aha, that was Donald Trump! 0.99

01:05:10.000 Or you get a lot of people who will be like, look how dumb these liberals are and things like that. 0.91

01:05:14.000 I do think the tendency tends to be on the left, however, and in the mainstream press. 0.96

01:05:18.000 I think for whatever reason right now, you'll find on the right with Trump supporters, with conservatives, Republicans, there's typically more honesty and more attempt at good faith conversation.

01:05:28.000 For example, you know, Steven Crowder trying to have a conversation with Ethan Klein.

01:05:32.000 And Ethan Klein's response, as we see with the mainstream on the left, was to make it a spectacle, to turn it into a bad-faith troll.

01:05:39.000 And then Forbes and Daily Beast and Newsweek all laugh and hoot and yell, aha, we got you, Crowder.

01:05:45.000 Crowder was trying to have a good-faith conversation.

01:05:47.000 So I don't know what it is, because it felt like when I was growing up, the left was trying to be good-faith, but maybe that was just me being in the Matrix.

01:05:54.000 It's very possible.

01:05:55.000 I mean, I grew up in a non-political family.

01:05:57.000 I didn't know about any of this.

01:05:59.000 Like, I mean, I completely fell completely tushy backwards into this when Mitt Romney ran for president because they needed somebody to explain the auto bailouts and all those kinds of things and private equity.

01:06:12.000 He was a private equity guy.

01:06:13.000 And so they're like, you're an investment banker?

01:06:15.000 Like, you come on.

01:06:16.000 I just wanted to be a game show host, people.

01:06:18.000 That's all I did.

01:06:19.000 I wanted to give away, I still want to be a game show host,

01:06:22.000 but somehow I got like dragged into this.

01:06:24.000 And so like, you know, I didn't, you know, I would just basically, whatever my parents said,

01:06:28.000 like, yeah, okay, but they weren't really even, they didn't really follow any of this stuff.

01:06:31.000 And then you kind of get in the middle of it and you're like, what the heck is going on?

01:06:35.000 But the craziest part about all of this is just the guilt by association and the cancel culture.

01:06:41.000 Whether you do it yourself or whether it's, you know, you've got somebody on the back of your book that some corporation doesn't like and now they're not buying your books anymore a couple of days before book launch.

01:06:53.000 Not that this happened.

01:06:55.000 It didn't happen, did it?

01:06:56.000 Did it happen?

01:06:57.000 So this is breaking news.

01:06:59.000 You could be the first people to hear about this.

01:07:02.000 And this is so disappointing because it's like one person who's not even in the organization.

01:07:07.000 So I'm not going to name the organization because I like the organization.

01:07:10.000 It's a big, big old company.

01:07:13.000 Who wanted to have me come out and give a speech.

01:07:16.000 And instead of charging my speaking fee, I said, well, if you buy the equivalent amount of the books, then you can give everybody a book.

01:07:23.000 And you know, well, win-win for everyone.

01:07:25.000 Oh, this is great.

01:07:25.000 And they're talking to publicists.

01:07:27.000 We're working out the details.

01:07:28.000 Well, one outside PR consultant looked at the six different names on the back of the book that represent All different viewpoints because that's the great thing about small business.

01:07:39.000 It brings people together and they didn't like one of the names and they thought that that tainted me and blew up the entire thing and I'm like how is it the fact that I'm building bridges and bringing together different viewpoints a bad thing?

01:07:57.000 You would think that's exactly what we need at this point in time about a topic that again like I I don't even need to talk about it.

01:08:03.000 I could talk about whatever you want.

01:08:04.000 You're buying my books.

01:08:05.000 I'm on your clock.

01:08:06.000 I could talk about anything.

01:08:07.000 I'll talk about football, hockey.

01:08:08.000 I don't really care.

01:08:09.000 So they could have done anything or they could have.

01:08:12.000 But I'm now canceled.

01:08:14.000 My book orders are literally canceled because they pulled out one of the six names.

01:08:19.000 One person, an outside PR person, didn't want that association.

01:08:26.000 If you knew that that name would have resulted in this circumstance, would you remove it?

01:08:31.000 No.

01:08:32.000 Because I am in the fortunate position where I can make those decisions.

01:08:37.000 And I've told people before, like, I'm getting the Vance on the book anyway.

01:08:41.000 Like, I don't care if it sells one copy or whatever.

01:08:43.000 I'm not doing this for financial needs.

01:08:46.000 I'm doing this because it's a really important message that everybody needs to hear.

01:08:50.000 They need to spread. 0.65

01:08:52.000 And also, if this book doesn't do well, nobody's going to do anything about small business in the media again, because I don't know if you guys know this, probably not, because This is my domain.

01:09:02.000 But like, anyway, so this is the entry.

01:09:05.000 So this is the entry for people to say we care about small business.

01:09:10.000 And, you know, they're trying to take that away.

01:09:12.000 Well, let's think about that for a second.

01:09:14.000 I think that was the right thing.

01:09:14.000 I think you did the right.

01:09:16.000 If it were me, I would not remove the name of any comment or endorsement simply because someone would threaten to cancel me.

01:09:23.000 So I think you're saying the right thing.

01:09:24.000 I agree with you.

01:09:26.000 But there's also the argument that couldn't you have reached more ears by you canceling one of those endorsements?

01:09:34.000 Yeah.

01:09:34.000 I mean, it goes back to principle.

01:09:36.000 It's just not the way that I roll.

01:09:37.000 I'm hoping that I can find a different way.

01:09:40.000 Let me tell you a story about my last book, because I think this will give you a little sense of who I am.

01:09:45.000 So when I wrote my last book, The Entrepreneur Equation, my publisher at the time had the idea of putting a picture of me on the book cover.

01:09:53.000 And if you've seen the book cover, it's me in pink heels in front of a chalkboard doing a little, like, sexy teacher kind of thing.

01:09:59.000 Whatever.

01:09:59.000 They conceptualized it.

01:10:01.000 And back in the day, there were actually bookstores.

01:10:04.000 And one of the big bookstores, one of the buyers told my publisher, you know, she's a little too attractive to be taken seriously as a business author.

01:10:15.000 So we kind of think you should either pull her off the cover of the book or, you know, maybe like ugly her up a little bit.

01:10:22.000 And so they came back to me with this feedback and they said, you know, by the way, my last publisher was very, very collaborative.

01:10:28.000 They were great.

01:10:29.000 And I said, it's your book, but these guys are really important.

01:10:33.000 So like, what do you want to do?

01:10:34.000 I said, well, not only am I going to do this, but I'm going to do the biggest blank blank to them of all time.

01:10:41.000 And for those of you who know, I have my own fashion doll slash action figure that was made as a premium to match what I look like on the book cover.

01:10:50.000 And so for every book that was sent out, the action figure was sent with it.

01:10:54.000 And I just kind of doubled down on that and said that was the thing.

01:10:58.000 So that's kind of how I approach it.

01:10:59.000 But again, I have the ability to do that.

01:11:03.000 When somebody does care about like that book sale is going to put food on the table, they don't have the flexibility to make the same choices that I do.

01:11:13.000 And so I'm cognizant, which is why I care about these topics, because not everybody can do that.

01:11:20.000 It's a big challenge.

01:11:21.000 Yeah.

01:11:21.000 Knowing that there's this system in place that is unreasonable.

01:11:27.000 And this story is kind of nuts.

01:11:29.000 What I was saying with the person is it is a mainstream, normal person.

01:11:33.000 It is totally normal.

01:11:34.000 It's crazy that a company would be like, I don't know about that guy.

01:11:38.000 I actually had.

01:11:39.000 Right.

01:11:39.000 I mean, it's not like I've got like Manson.

01:11:44.000 Like, oh, you should really.

01:11:45.000 I mean, yeah, these are all well-known people.

01:11:48.000 You may not agree with them, but.

01:11:50.000 Yeah, I actually had, uh, The Daily Beast wrote an article about the, uh, John McAfee thing.

01:11:55.000 And I tweeted, uh, bull-effing-ish in response to the story, and I linked John McAfee saying I would never take my own life.

01:12:03.000 And so they incorporate that into the story, which I don't care.

01:12:05.000 They called me a conspiracy theorist.

01:12:06.000 It's like, okay, if I was making— I didn't make an assertion about what happened.

01:12:10.000 I just said, B.S.

01:12:11.000 Like, I don't believe the story.

01:12:12.000 Not believing a story is not asserting a conspiracy.

01:12:14.000 But they called me alt-right.

01:12:16.000 It's that I was alt-right, and I'm like, they just make it up.

01:12:18.000 I got called alt-right for this, too.

01:12:20.000 Yeah, it's... No, literally, because I had one person they didn't like on the book, which is, like, hilarious, because, like, I'm an independent Jewish woman.

01:12:28.000 Like, how am I alt-right?

01:12:30.000 But it's because they know it'll taint.

01:12:33.000 In the future, someone will look back... Now, I was fortunate enough... Look, I go through things in the very normal way. 0.84

01:12:40.000 I don't go on Twitter and start screaming, like, this is ridiculous. 0.51

01:12:42.000 Good for you.

01:12:43.000 by an email requesting a retraction and a correction. And they immediately responded

01:12:47.000 with an apology and took it out. I'm lucky that happened.

01:12:50.000 Good for you. Because a lot of there was one period where they lie about people all day

01:12:55.000 and night. And I think the scary thing is that you mentioned the little guy doesn't

01:13:00.000 have the opportunity to make these choices. What are you supposed to do when you're going up

01:13:04.000 against a multi-million dollar corporation that's lied about you?

01:13:08.000 And there's not much you can do.

01:13:09.000 So I look at it this way as well.

01:13:11.000 I was flying on American Airlines once and our flight got delayed because of a major storm.

01:13:17.000 I think it was in Dallas.

01:13:18.000 And so I went on Twitter and tweeted, I'm like, hey, is there any update on this?

01:13:25.000 I couldn't get through the phone line.

01:13:26.000 And the next thing I know, they're like, Mr. Poole, we're going to take care of you and make sure everything is perfect.

01:13:30.000 Step to the line right now and let them know.

01:13:31.000 And I walk with the line.

01:13:32.000 I look to my right.

01:13:33.000 Huge line, hundreds of people waiting.

01:13:35.000 And I'm like, this is kind of screwed up.

01:13:38.000 Because they don't fear the regular person who can't do anything about their circumstances, but they're worried I could tweet and cause them problems.

01:13:44.000 I don't like that idea.

01:13:45.000 I don't like tweeting at companies, but sometimes it's the only way to get them to react.

01:13:49.000 So tying it back into what happened with COVID and small business and PPP, this is exactly where the structure of PPP failed so badly, is that they put these parameters where you could have millions and millions of dollars in assets And revenue and you could still go in and apply for these PPP loans.

01:13:49.000 Well, it's interesting.

01:14:12.000 So if you're a bank and you've got like the guy who's got millions of dollars and you've been doing business with them and then you've got like this pizza shop that's like struggling to make it, like whose loan are you going to fulfill first?

01:14:23.000 Of course you're going to fulfill your good customer.

01:14:26.000 It should have never been put in that position in the first place.

01:14:29.000 And so that goes back to a flaw in the structure.

01:14:32.000 It's hard.

01:14:33.000 To fault the person who has the loyal relationship whose business is also going to depend on it.

01:14:39.000 But why was it structured that way to begin with?

01:14:41.000 And I think those are the questions we need to continue to ask.

01:14:43.000 We need smart contracts to dole out these things. 0.75

01:14:46.000 Like this is part of the great thing about cryptocurrency is there's no middleman to decide where what's going to happen or where it's going to go.

01:14:51.000 You have the parameters and it fits.

01:14:54.000 And there it is on the blockchain out in the open.

01:14:57.000 Which is why it's a threat to them.

01:14:59.000 I'm optimistic.

01:15:00.000 A couple days ago we were talking to Bannon.

01:15:03.000 He was saying, we're winning.

01:15:05.000 Once these moms see what happens to their kids, what these schools are teaching on August 15th, it's gonna be crazy. 1.00

01:15:12.000 And that was a really, really good point.

01:15:13.000 I'm also confident because of the things we're doing over at TimCast.com and the tremendous support we have from all of you who are members.

01:15:19.000 You guys are amazing.

01:15:20.000 We're able to hire journalists.

01:15:21.000 We're expanding like crazy.

01:15:23.000 Things are going better than ever.

01:15:24.000 We're trying really hard to move away from YouTube because that was putting all our eggs in one basket and it's very, very dangerous.

01:15:29.000 We're trying to build something substantive.

01:15:31.000 And so I'm confident that not only are we going to succeed with the support of our paying members, we're finding new ways to generate revenue, new ways to support Real News and Fact Check.

01:15:42.000 And all of that makes me optimistic.

01:15:44.000 And there's another thing that makes me really optimistic is seeing stories like this one.

01:15:48.000 Brian Stelter's revised anti-Trump diatribe hoax tanks with less than 2,000 copies sold in its first week despite massive book tour and launch party as ratings for his CNN show dropped to its lowest of the year.

01:16:03.000 Seeing this happen, he sold 1,738 copies in his first week.

01:16:05.000 Wow.

01:16:09.000 That's very, very, very few books.

01:16:11.000 So here's the thing is that I guess when people hate watch a show, they don't hate buy the book.

01:16:17.000 I mean, because I mean, that's me.

01:16:19.000 And again, I don't like to pick on people's livelihoods, but I do feel like based on everything I've seen, there are a lot of people who watch the show that most of the commentary isn't, oh, I am enjoying this thing.

01:16:33.000 It's literally hate watching.

01:16:35.000 It seems like that's the big part of his audience, which I think is hard to translate.

01:16:38.000 The same time, I'm not going to make fun of that number of book sales because, you know, I've got a book that's coming out, I've got big corporate media who doesn't want to cover it, I've got big corporations who are canceling me, so I might do worse than Brian Stelter!

01:16:52.000 Sure, sure.

01:16:53.000 But this is a guy who goes on TV and he tells people not to watch other shows.

01:16:57.000 He's got this massive CNN platform that's ratings are in decline.

01:17:01.000 And now he can't sell his book.

01:17:02.000 I mean, this is a guy who was getting over a million viewers.

01:17:05.000 Now he's getting around seven, eight hundred thousand.

01:17:07.000 Hey, that's still a lot of viewers.

01:17:07.000 It's going down.

01:17:08.000 It's more than I'm getting.

01:17:10.000 But you see that decline at the same time.

01:17:13.000 It... Look, I'm not trying to... There is a bit of, I guess, spite in like, haha, watching someone fail and everything like that.

01:17:21.000 But I genuinely think what he does is dangerous, what CNN does is bad.

01:17:25.000 They lie, they manipulate.

01:17:27.000 They're a part of the problem.

01:17:28.000 And they represent the decentralized media.

01:17:30.000 I'm going to give a plug to you right now.

01:17:32.000 The centralized media?

01:17:33.000 The centralized media.

01:17:34.000 And you are the decentralization.

01:17:36.000 And so, I mean, if you're enjoying this, you should be supporting Tim.

01:17:40.000 And I'm going to support you because I believe in this, because decentralization is critical.

01:17:45.000 And this is the American dream.

01:17:47.000 And capitalism is about putting your dollars where your belief system is.

01:17:51.000 You can't go out and say, you know, Alexa, why does Jeff Bezos have so much money?

01:17:57.000 Could you order me some Doritos and tell me the sales on Prime Days?

01:18:00.000 And then go like, well, what's going on here?

01:18:03.000 She's gonna be like, I can't talk about that.

01:18:06.000 We actually have one and you called her, but she didn't respond.

01:18:08.000 You can ask her all sorts of questions about Jeff.

01:18:09.000 She's like, I'm not going to talk.

01:18:11.000 But that's what I'm saying is that so you so so support the things that you believe in and support these small companies and support small business and support small business advocacy.

01:18:21.000 That's how you make a dent.

01:18:22.000 And don't support don't don't hate watch things you don't like because it's giving them dollars.

01:18:27.000 I mean, I know it's fun and whatever, but like, don't do it.

01:18:30.000 Support the things like like let's make it a positive instead of a negative and go out and support because you are the American dream.

01:18:37.000 You're building And people should buy your book, The War on Small Business by Carol Roth.

01:18:40.000 with getting more jobs and creating something that's important and we need more of that.

01:18:44.000 And people should buy your book, The War on Small Business by Carol Roth.

01:18:49.000 Why?

01:18:50.000 Amazon is one of the most powerful ways that decentralized media has been able to get a

01:18:54.000 foothold and challenge the establishment.

01:18:56.000 I mentioned this the other day with Michael Knoll's book, Speechless.

01:18:58.000 Definitely, you should buy Speechless.

01:19:00.000 You should buy Unmasked by Andy Ngo.

01:19:01.000 Pesobic's book.

01:19:02.000 Jack Pesobic's book.

01:19:03.000 That's the Antifa book, yeah.

01:19:06.000 Because when people go to Amazon, and Michael Malice's book, The Anarchist Handbook.

01:19:10.000 Create Space, I believe, is where it is.

01:19:11.000 You can publish your own books.

01:19:13.000 You go on Amazon, and you'll see the top charts, and it's a bunch of anti-establishment thinkers, it's people challenging conventional wisdom with interesting ideas, and they don't all agree with each other, but it's a way to break through.

01:19:25.000 When the establishment, the mainstream, when CNN, when they don't give the time of day, when Brian Seltzer comes on TV and says, don't watch the spin, come to us, when, who was it, Tapper, who said, you can't read WikiLeaks emails, only we, it's illegal, only we can read it.

01:19:38.000 You can now find the honest and dissenting voices because Amazon has to put them in the ranking same as everybody else.

01:19:46.000 Granted, they do ban books, which is another scary component of this.

01:19:49.000 But so long as we have that opportunity, if everybody buys your book, we can get this top 10 list, which is going to include a bunch of people of varying political ideologies.

01:19:58.000 And what will happen is a regular person will be browsing Amazon.

01:20:01.000 What do they see?

01:20:01.000 Number one, they see Carol Roth.

01:20:03.000 Number one, they see Michael Knowles or Andy Ngo or people like Ben Shapiro or Dave Rubin.

01:20:08.000 And now they're going to get an idea they normally wouldn't have got from CNN.

01:20:12.000 So this is so interesting.

01:20:13.000 So this is a good capitalism debate because I had been directing people to bookshop.org because I don't know if you're familiar with bookshop.org, but what it does is it fulfills books from local small business booksellers.

01:20:26.000 Cool.

01:20:27.000 So you get to not only support small business advocacy in terms of the book that you're buying and learning these concepts and spreading the concepts, but you actually get to put a couple dollars towards the small business.

01:20:37.000 But it's an interesting point because at the same time, if it doesn't chart well on Amazon, then the people outside the ones who are buying it here also don't get.

01:20:47.000 I need you to buy two books.

01:20:48.000 Could you buy one on Amazon and buy one on Bookshop?

01:20:51.000 Give it to a friend.

01:20:52.000 No, but seriously.

01:20:53.000 But it is an interesting sort of question.

01:20:57.000 To take down and get some foothold, do you need to chart on the big place?

01:21:05.000 change minds, or do we support the small guys and win in that direction?

01:21:10.000 And maybe they're not mutually exclusive.

01:21:11.000 No, I don't think they are.

01:21:12.000 I think you should support both.

01:21:13.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 I want to rub CNN's nose in a little bit because I got the story.

01:21:17.000 OK, this is important, guys.

01:21:18.000 I need to beat Brian Stelter.

01:21:20.000 So even if you don't care about this book, I can't sell fewer copies than he does.

01:21:26.000 Well, no, no, I'm going to bring up Acosta.

01:21:28.000 So this is a story from two years ago.

01:21:30.000 President Donald Trump, CNN's Jim Acosta, spar over journalist book sales.

01:21:33.000 Granted, it's from 2019.

01:21:34.000 It's still kind of funny.

01:21:36.000 So Trump is talking and then they say, um, he was asked about, uh, Muhammad bin Salman.

01:21:42.000 And then Trump flips the script saying, I don't really care about offending people.

01:21:45.000 I sort of thought you'd know that.

01:21:46.000 Flips the script and says, by the way, congratulat- to Jim Acosta, by the way.

01:21:50.000 By the way, congratulations.

01:21:51.000 I understand your book.

01:21:52.000 Is it doing well?

01:21:53.000 It's doing very well, Mr. President, Acosta said.

01:21:56.000 Trump seemed astonished.

01:21:57.000 Really?

01:21:58.000 I'll get you an autographed copy Acosta offered.

01:22:01.000 It's from Deadline, by the way, not from Fox News.

01:22:04.000 They say, Acosta's book isn't doing that well.

01:22:07.000 It's in the 1300s on Amazon.

01:22:10.000 He was previously zinged on the lagging sales by Fox News host Sean Hannity, who called the book a disaster and an epic fail.

01:22:16.000 So yes, like you said, people watch these shows because they hate Trump or they hate the right, not because they like Acosta's reporting, not because they like Brian Stelter.

01:22:26.000 So when the name pops up that says Stelter, they say, I don't care.

01:22:30.000 If the book was, Why Trump is Bad by Guy Who Hates Trump, they might actually buy that book.

01:22:35.000 Yeah, well, my only, again, my issue on principle and not personage is that he's got a show called Reliable Sources that does not have reliable sources.

01:22:44.000 And so if you run a show that's not named correctly and your book is called Hoaxed, I don't really know what I'm getting inside the book.

01:22:52.000 Yeah.

01:22:53.000 Let's jump to a story.

01:22:54.000 It's true, it's true.

01:22:57.000 You have no idea what you're getting.

01:23:00.000 We'll just do a hard segue into this Mumford & Sons thing.

01:23:02.000 I've been thinking about it.

01:23:04.000 Yeah, so we have this story from TimCast.com by Cassandra Fairbanks.

01:23:08.000 Mumford & Sons guitarist leaves band after outrage over him praising Andy Ngo's book.

01:23:13.000 It's kind of a crazy story.

01:23:14.000 It's a rollercoaster of emotion.

01:23:16.000 They say, following intense backlash after he praised Andy Ngo's book, he apologized for endorsing the book.

01:23:22.000 Over the past few days, I have come to better understand the pain caused by the book I endorsed.

01:23:26.000 I have offended not only a lot of people I don't know, but also those closest to me, including my bandmates, and for that I am truly sorry.

01:23:32.000 As a result of my actions, I am taking time away from the band to examine my blind spots.

01:23:35.000 For now, please know that I realize how my endorsements have the potential to be viewed as approvals of hateful, divisive behavior.

01:23:41.000 I apologize.

01:23:43.000 The apology tweet, which was put out in March, has now been deleted.

01:23:46.000 On Thursday, he wrote a Medium post explaining his decision to leave the band, saying that he wants to be free to speak his mind.

01:23:53.000 He mentioned that it wasn't just the endorsement that was the problem.

01:23:57.000 He goes on to mention that actually apologizing was the next sin that caused the mob to come after him.

01:24:03.000 So I find this to be actually an interesting story because it shows that when you're confronted with an angry mob, there's nothing you can do.

01:24:10.000 So it's what should someone do?

01:24:13.000 Because look, it's not just the left.

01:24:15.000 Now, we typically say the left is all about cancel culture, but it affects the right as well.

01:24:19.000 Yeah.

01:24:20.000 I mean, listen, I just have a thing in life and my husband will tell you this.

01:24:23.000 This is like the one thing that drives him crazy.

01:24:25.000 I mean, I will not apologize for something if I'm not sorry.

01:24:28.000 So like my husband gets like two apologies a year on things.

01:24:32.000 There are a couple of times when I do things, but most of the time there's something like, no, I'm not.

01:24:36.000 I'm not apologizing.

01:24:36.000 I'm not sorry.

01:24:37.000 You don't apologize.

01:24:39.000 If you're not sorry for something, and you shouldn't be sorry for speaking and having a differing opinion.

01:24:45.000 No, my version of apology is to change my behavior.

01:24:47.000 If I really am sorry for what I did, I'm going to make sure I don't do it again.

01:24:50.000 And I'm going to do something better that's... I'm not going to cry and yell about it.

01:24:54.000 What's this thing about apologizing to people that have nothing to do with it?

01:24:58.000 Like, to me, if you wrong somebody, if I wrong you, Tim, I'm sorry to you, but I don't need to apologize to the rest of the world.

01:25:06.000 But like, this is between the two of us.

01:25:07.000 This is a very personal thing.

01:25:09.000 Like, why have we dragged everybody else in the peanut gallery into this concept of apologizing?

01:25:16.000 Like, I don't need to apologize to you.

01:25:17.000 Nothing to do with this.

01:25:18.000 This was between the two of us.

01:25:19.000 Like, this is a very personal thing that everyone wants to get in the middle of.

01:25:22.000 Like virtue signaling it seems like.

01:25:24.000 Well so shout out an apology to the atmosphere.

01:25:26.000 When when this Bumford and Sons guy says you know hey Andy great book you're very brave.

01:25:31.000 All of these people get mad saying you're supporting the far right.

01:25:34.000 So they are personally offended and they demand he apologize.

01:25:38.000 No I understand that they're personally offended but has nothing to do with them.

01:25:41.000 He didn't tweet something to them, so he can't be sorry to them.

01:25:45.000 You can't take into account every single person.

01:25:48.000 To take the temperature of every person, that's why we have the concept of free speech, right?

01:25:54.000 The main issue, I suppose, is that what really happens if you step back is that Mom, Friend, and Sons was set to lose money.

01:26:01.000 And so, he's like, a bunch of people are mad at me for doing a thing I don't understand.

01:26:06.000 If I do nothing and we lose money, so he apologizes.

01:26:09.000 The apology didn't work, they lose money no matter what, so then he says, wow, apologizing was a big mistake, which is funny because, you know, look.

01:26:17.000 My question, I'll throw it back to you, Ian.

01:26:19.000 What makes you sorry for something, right?

01:26:20.000 You said if you did something, and then you were actually sorry, you'd say you're sorry.

01:26:24.000 It's empathy.

01:26:24.000 It's if I see that you're hurt, I feel that, and I want to make sure you don't feel that again.

01:26:29.000 But what if people are hurt for something nonsensical, like he recommended a book?

01:26:33.000 Or he didn't even recommend it, he just said, great job!

01:26:35.000 Then I still empathize that you're pained, but I will let you know I'm not going to change my behavior because this is why I feel it's righteous.

01:26:42.000 Well, and let me tell you about the money angle, too.

01:26:43.000 This is very interesting because I, at one point, was going to write a book kind of about the actual financial implications of these, you know, outrages.

01:26:54.000 And people get very angry and they say, we're going to boycott something.

01:26:59.000 And then they move on.

01:27:01.000 And so if you think about SoulCycle or you think about, you know, all these different companies that have gotten caught up, I know very few of them that have had, you know, those kinds of financial implications because people were outraged.

01:27:14.000 Now, there are some like major cancel culture issues that have some short term implications.

01:27:20.000 But a lot of times when you have these like big brand things like, oh, I'm not going to Go to SoulCycle anymore.

01:27:26.000 We're like, when's the last time you got on a spin bike?

01:27:28.000 Like, never.

01:27:29.000 So it's a lot of times it's this vocal minority that has nothing to do with your fan base.

01:27:34.000 Now, granted, if it's literally your fan base, then maybe you need to think about it.

01:27:39.000 But a lot of times it's just like a bunch of course of trolls and then they like move on to something else next week.

01:27:45.000 And so I think a lot of times people panic instead of just letting it Blow over.

01:27:49.000 Yeah.

01:27:49.000 So we'll think about the ramifications of, you know, offending a fan base.

01:27:54.000 Should you just be, especially in politics, a personality that just says whatever your audience wants to hear because then they'll give you money?

01:28:02.000 Or if you say something that offends them, should you just be like, well, that's what I think.

01:28:05.000 Have a nice day.

01:28:06.000 Even if you lose money.

01:28:07.000 Well, I think you need to be careful as a business or as somebody if you're like fan driven or customer driven, like Do you want to have a public set of opinions or do you want to keep that in your circle?

01:28:21.000 Because the reality is, back in my day when I walked uphill to school, the people who knew my opinions were a couple people in my circle.

01:28:30.000 Now we have Dear Diary that's Twitter and Facebook.

01:28:34.000 We take everything that we think and we broadcast it to everybody.

01:28:38.000 We weren't meant to take out information.

01:28:40.000 So if you're in that kind of public light and this isn't like what you do for a living, then you might just say, you know, as a policy, like maybe I don't want to comment on these kinds of things publicly.

01:28:53.000 Or maybe I'm going to send a note to Andy privately or, you know, whatever it is.

01:28:57.000 And it's not because you're scared or you're bad or you're backing down.

01:29:00.000 But it's just that's...

01:29:02.000 That's not how you make a living.

01:29:03.000 That's not your thing.

01:29:05.000 And not that you should have to censor yourself.

01:29:07.000 I'm not trying to talk about censorship.

01:29:09.000 I'm just saying, like, do we need to have everybody's opinion about everything?

01:29:14.000 It's what you're talking about.

01:29:15.000 Restraint.

01:29:16.000 And it's something that is maybe you could argue is lacking in society, but it is a detrimental.

01:29:20.000 It is a very important aspect of being a human is restraining your body.

01:29:24.000 It is a wild animal that you are in control of and it wants to do things.

01:29:28.000 So you need to be intelligent.

01:29:30.000 And, of course, Control yourself.

01:29:33.000 You don't need to tell everyone everything.

01:29:34.000 That's not the definition of honesty.

01:29:36.000 Honesty is not lying to people, but, you know, you use discretion.

01:29:40.000 I don't know why I'm so angry about this.

01:29:42.000 Because he's in a band.

01:29:43.000 I'm sorry to interrupt you.

01:29:44.000 This guy's a musician, man, and so am I, and this is so messed up.

01:29:47.000 That's all.

01:29:48.000 Thank you.

01:29:48.000 Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, I think it's also just about, like, sometimes just staying in your lane, not to say that the book thing isn't staying in your lane, but just as a broader macro concept, talking about through the nuance of this, is that like, you know, I'm an expert on economic and financial things, like people who don't know the difference between a balance sheet and an income statement, like want to come argue with me about stuff.

01:30:09.000 And it's like, I don't need your opinion on how to organize the economy.

01:30:12.000 You don't know what a balance sheet is.

01:30:13.000 So it's the same kind of thing.

01:30:15.000 I'm not going to wade into like discussing the intricacies of like medical decisions or, you know, those kinds of things that aren't my areas of expertise.

01:30:24.000 I don't think, and part of it is this is just a nascent technology.

01:30:28.000 We're not used to this level of communication.

01:30:30.000 So I'm not judging anyone.

01:30:32.000 This is, we're all trying to sort this out and wade it through, but like not everybody needs to weigh in on every topic.

01:30:38.000 Like pick the things where you particularly have that domain expertise.

01:30:43.000 And, you know, maybe spend more time listening on some of the other things.

01:30:46.000 There's no upside to Twitter.

01:30:48.000 There's literally none.

01:30:50.000 Well, the upside is the connections, right?

01:30:52.000 I've met some of the most amazing people.

01:30:55.000 I mean, we met because of Twitter.

01:30:57.000 We met because of Twitter.

01:30:58.000 We met because of him.

01:30:59.000 But because of Twitter, you know, a lot of the people watching, like I've met the most amazing connections and I've collaborated where that is the upside to Twitter.

01:31:09.000 But you have to curate that experience appropriately.

01:31:13.000 Yeah, I'll walk that back for sure.

01:31:15.000 The upside definitely is connections.

01:31:18.000 Like my communication with Joe Rogan, which resulted in me going on the show, he was following me on Twitter, he DM'd me, we talked.

01:31:25.000 And yeah, I think before Twitter, you couldn't communicate with high-profile individuals or celebrities.

01:31:32.000 It was just near impossible.

01:31:34.000 But I do think something interesting is happening where I think there is a push towards, because of things like Mumford & Sons, the celebrities are once again retreating from the landscape saying there's no point.

01:31:44.000 And what happens is it becomes journalists, or I should say activists.

01:31:48.000 So the largest component, the largest community on Twitter for the longest time has been journalists arguing with each other.

01:31:54.000 That's the biggest component of the blue checks too, right?

01:31:56.000 Right.

01:31:57.000 Yeah, it's like a quarter of them, or at least this was several years ago.

01:32:00.000 And so, they argue about things in culture and politics, and it literally makes their careers.

01:32:05.000 They get a bunch of followers, then the news outlets are like, oh, you have 20,000 followers.

01:32:10.000 Welcome aboard, we'll hire you.

01:32:11.000 These news outlets will be like, looking at some new hires, I want to be a writer.

01:32:11.000 No joke.

01:32:15.000 Well, how many followers do you have?

01:32:17.000 Because you're bringing that audience to them, and they know that you can push stories out, get more traffic, make them more money.

01:32:22.000 So their goal for many of these people is to say offensive things, but say them tribalistically.

01:32:27.000 Which brings us to... I think the problem, one of the biggest problems we're facing right now is Mumford and Sons, as you say, shouldn't wade into this territory necessarily because this guy doesn't know anything about Antifa or politics.

01:32:40.000 And so by him expressing an opinion in favor of Andy, it's not his area of expertise, he exposes himself.

01:32:45.000 The other issue is that when it comes to the culture war, you basically have one main rule.

01:32:52.000 Say what your tribe wants to hear or else.

01:32:55.000 People actually, we see it all the time.

01:32:56.000 I mean, Mike Cernovich tweets it all the time where people are like, I'm gonna unfollow you if you have a bad opinion or I'm not gonna support your book.

01:33:02.000 And then he just says, bye bye.

01:33:04.000 Yeah, right.

01:33:05.000 But that's not what most people do.

01:33:06.000 Retweets them and says, hey.

01:33:08.000 Here's the attention that you ordered.

01:33:08.000 See you later.

01:33:10.000 I love there.

01:33:11.000 Someone made the meme of, you know, the Virgin and the Chad.

01:33:13.000 And it was like the Virgin.

01:33:16.000 I'm going to unfollow you.

01:33:17.000 And then there was the Chad.

01:33:18.000 I'll follow you for opinions I don't like.

01:33:20.000 But it really does come down to that because I don't think it matters whether you're on the left or the right.

01:33:25.000 You will get the same kind of pressure if you go against the tribe.

01:33:28.000 Now, the issue, I suppose, is the left tends to be dominant in establishment culture.

01:33:33.000 So they have way more power.

01:33:35.000 If you are James Gunn, you know, you are the rare exception where the right was able to get him temporarily cancelled.

01:33:41.000 But on the left, I mean, they can turn a tweet from a guy with 100 followers into destroying someone's life.

01:33:49.000 So that ties back into sort of big tech and the algorithm.

01:33:52.000 I'm sure that any of you who are on Twitter have noticed.

01:33:55.000 The kinds of things that trend are always bad, negative, baity types of things.

01:34:01.000 I mean, even a lot of times they have the tweet level underneath them and you'll see something where it's, you know, it's got like a thousand tweets or whatever and it's like, you know, put right up there in the trend so that people can see it and a lot of times it's calling out people by name and it's, you know, That's the algorithm.

01:34:18.000 They could put up positive stories, right?

01:34:20.000 You could trend positive stories, but that's not what they choose to put at the top of the algorithm.

01:34:27.000 And we know it's not just based on the data and who's talking about it, because you can see the number of tweets.

01:34:32.000 And there are things that have lots of tweets that, you know, kind of don't register.

01:34:36.000 And there are things that have very few tweets that all of a sudden, like, oh, you might be interested in this.

01:34:41.000 Take a little, take a little smell of this.

01:34:43.000 What do you think about that?

01:34:43.000 What is up with people's obsession with drama and gossip and all that?

01:34:48.000 Why is that?

01:34:48.000 Human nature.

01:34:49.000 I mean, I guess it goes back to, like, tribes talking about, is that Hunter a bad guy, really?

01:34:55.000 Like, is he going to hurt us?

01:34:56.000 Do we need to take him out?

01:34:57.000 So they would gossip about their tribe, I guess.

01:34:59.000 And now it's, like, all across the world on Twitter.

01:35:02.000 I mean, yeah, yeah, Twitter for sure, and it's taken over political discourse and politics where we should be discussing what business they're doing, how it's negatively impacting, what government is doing that's negatively impacting small business, how it's impacting someone's life, but you'll end up with a lot of people in this space who are more interested in, I'm not gonna say the guy's name, but ambushing Steven Crowder instead of actually having a legitimate conversation and turning it into a drama moment for some clicks, and then you see Newsweek?

01:35:29.000 at you know coming out being like oh and it's like newsweek you're supposed to be

01:35:33.000 a prestigious magazine how oh snap yeah you'll get you'll get people who will like see

01:35:38.000 a tweet from someone and be like this is what we should all be talking

01:35:41.000 about and it's like half the time these tweets are from people who are

01:35:45.000 just sitting there like on their toilet and they're like and like you've got the

01:35:48.000 most breakthrough science in science

01:35:50.000 It's the most epic breakthroughs in science ever seen and witnessed by humanity in the last 20 years.

01:35:54.000 And like, I don't see much laser spectroscopy advancement.

01:35:58.000 Quantum, you know, microscopes that are now able to see 33% better.

01:36:02.000 There's a new microscope that hits cells without heat so it can see it like 25% more clearly.

01:36:09.000 Millions of small businesses have been either directly murdered or like on life support and they want to talk about the drama moment.

01:36:19.000 What's the solution?

01:36:22.000 I mean, it goes back to us, right?

01:36:24.000 At the end of the day, we're the ones that have to safeguard freedom.

01:36:28.000 We're the ones that have to make better choices.

01:36:30.000 I mean, your Twitter feed literally is your own curation.

01:36:34.000 You can curate it any way you want.

01:36:36.000 You can decide who to follow.

01:36:38.000 You can decide how to engage.

01:36:39.000 I was sharing with you guys offline that one of my best decisions for my mental health on Twitter was to not respond to provoking questions or explanations.

01:36:49.000 Because it's just not a format in 280 characters to have that rich, nuanced dialogue.

01:36:56.000 There are people, there are other followers who will jump in and have that and do that for them, but like for me that doesn't work.

01:37:02.000 I'm an empath, I'm a problem solver, like that's not a good combination.

01:37:06.000 So I just think we need, in every aspect, we just need to be more intentional.

01:37:10.000 I mean, we're so lucky to be living where we are and in this time and this place in history, and we just take everything for granted.

01:37:19.000 And so we don't put the dollars towards the small business entities.

01:37:23.000 We don't curate more positivity and lift up more people in our Twitter feed.

01:37:28.000 We don't empower people to make better decisions.

01:37:31.000 I mean, at the end of the day, America is great.

01:37:34.000 Because of us!

01:37:35.000 It's not because of our government or even because of a piece of paper, you know?

01:37:39.000 In spite of government, you know?

01:37:41.000 Yeah!

01:37:42.000 Well, let's read some superchats if you haven't already.

01:37:44.000 Friends, you can smash that like button and send your superchats this way.

01:37:48.000 You can also go to TimCast.com, become a member to support our fierce and independent journalism.

01:37:51.000 Do it!

01:37:52.000 And the Unsolved Mysteries stuff where I probably shouldn't have said it because we're so preliminary about like doing an investigation into the lost Confederate gold.

01:37:59.000 I hope someone doesn't beat us to it.

01:38:01.000 Next week.

01:38:01.000 Where are you, Tim?

01:38:02.000 I can't wait.

01:38:03.000 You talked about it a week ago.

01:38:03.000 I've been waiting for you.

01:38:04.000 Where is it?

01:38:05.000 Oh, we got somebody on it.

01:38:06.000 I want to sit in a room made of gold and just vibrate.

01:38:10.000 I want to go back to the lost Confederate gold. 0.94

01:38:15.000 So if you find the Confederate gold, is that canceled?

01:38:19.000 The gold itself?

01:38:20.000 Because it's Confederate gold.

01:38:21.000 I think it would go to a museum.

01:38:22.000 Interesting.

01:38:23.000 Yeah, I think it should be.

01:38:24.000 You know they used to have airships?

01:38:26.000 I would be happy to manage it.

01:38:28.000 Let's read some super chats.

01:38:31.000 And again, we'll have a bonus segment up at TimCast.com, so smash that like button.

01:38:35.000 GDSuperFan says, at least we don't have to read mean tweets anymore.

01:38:38.000 There is that.

01:38:40.000 There you go.

01:38:41.000 Jay says, we need a comedian with the courage to make fun of the CCP.

01:38:44.000 I got the idea that they are a high school student who is jealous that the US is the popular one.

01:38:49.000 They're starting rumors to hurt the US's popularity.

01:38:52.000 I like that.

01:38:53.000 I'm not a betting woman.

01:38:55.000 I'm a risk-adjusted returns kind of lady.

01:38:57.000 Anyway, would either of you bet serious money on Kamala being president by the end of 2022?

01:39:01.000 God help us all.

01:39:02.000 Yes, I would.

01:39:03.000 Really?

01:39:04.000 I'm not a betting woman.

01:39:05.000 I'm a risk adjusted returns kind of lady.

01:39:08.000 What's the risk on that bet?

01:39:11.000 The risk is everything we don't know, right?

01:39:13.000 Information fits into risk.

01:39:16.000 And there are a lot of things we don't know there.

01:39:18.000 And so I don't have enough information.

01:39:20.000 I only bet when I if you ever watch me playing cards and I go in, like, you know, I'm gonna win because I only I play it like that.

01:39:29.000 All right.

01:39:29.000 Tyler Thomas says, is there a TimCast.com mobile app in our future?

01:39:32.000 Yes, there is.

01:39:34.000 And it will have the ability to play audio when your phone is off.

01:39:39.000 Like not off, but asleep.

01:39:41.000 Is that the right phrase?

01:39:42.000 Yeah.

01:39:42.000 So you can put in your pocket and not drain your battery and still hear things.

01:39:45.000 I know right now we have the members only thing, but it's basically like a browser function, and it's preliminary.

01:39:50.000 But the new website is about, the alpha will be ready in only a few days, and then we got to do the tests on it.

01:39:56.000 And then we should have it up around, I'm hoping, 4th of July weekend.

01:40:00.000 I'm excited.

01:40:01.000 It often takes longer.

01:40:02.000 Yeah, it always takes longer.

01:40:03.000 But we did a rush order, to say the least, and it's costly, but I'm like, we got to make sure this is working because Look, I'll say it, man.

01:40:11.000 I was completely overwhelmed by the amount of support we got when we launched the website.

01:40:15.000 And, you know, I guess after the first two weeks, seeing how many people signed up, and it's... I don't know if I should say it, but it's massive.

01:40:23.000 It's ridiculously massive.

01:40:24.000 So I was like, I think we need to use this opportunity to hire journalists immediately.

01:40:29.000 Make a much, much stronger, more powerful website with a big company.

01:40:32.000 Start doing movies shows and we can make something really big with this It's a huge opportunity and I'm eternally grateful to everybody became members.

01:40:39.000 So if you don't like me Well, maybe you'll like Cassandra Fairbanks if you don't like her, but you do like me Well, then you see I'm trying to bring in an eclectic group and it won't just be about whether you like my opinion or not Because we're gonna have content for everybody.

01:40:53.000 We want to build culture and do really amazing stuff.

01:40:55.000 So yes, that is coming And you're supporting the American dream.

01:40:58.000 You're supporting decentralization.

01:41:00.000 You're supporting economic freedom and independence.

01:41:03.000 And you are voting with your dollars.

01:41:06.000 This is an amazing opportunity to support.

01:41:09.000 There are no investors.

01:41:11.000 There is no outside funding.

01:41:13.000 I've had people come here and say, so who, you know, how is this funded?

01:41:16.000 And I say, it's just me.

01:41:17.000 Like, just you.

01:41:18.000 I'm like, yeah, only me.

01:41:19.000 It's the way to do it, man.

01:41:20.000 It's the American dream.

01:41:22.000 This is what people come here from everywhere around the world to do.

01:41:26.000 Companies become so much more agile and functional when they don't have outside investment, from my experience.

01:41:30.000 I've built companies, more or less.

01:41:32.000 I've worked with Maker Studios in the early days and I've helped build mines from the ground up.

01:41:36.000 Having Tim as agile as he is, it's incredible, the value of this company, just because of the solo investment.

01:41:42.000 It's amazing.

01:41:44.000 Taternub says, why fantasize about the dystopian future when we could bask in the dystopian present?

01:41:49.000 History books are going to be far better than fiction ever was.

01:41:53.000 That's a good point.

01:41:55.000 Yeah, 1984 was not supposed to be a how-to manual, right?

01:41:58.000 Hey, but it's fun.

01:42:00.000 And I gotta say, I've been a bit more optimistic lately, especially... That interview we did with Steve Bannon was... I thought that was amazing.

01:42:06.000 He's a very, very smart guy.

01:42:07.000 That's worth subscribing to the website alone to see the after thing with Bannon, man.

01:42:10.000 That was great.

01:42:11.000 And let me also say, you know, there's this on this online retail revolution, ape community and whatnot. 1.00

01:42:19.000 Also a lot of optimism there, because think about how far that's come from Occupy Wall Street 1.0.

01:42:24.000 Instead of just standing in the streets kind of disorganized like, oh, we don't feel bad, but we don't know what they're actually putting their money where their mouth is.

01:42:31.000 They're saying we want to participate in the wealth creation.

01:42:35.000 That is such an optimistic step.

01:42:37.000 In the right direction and getting more people involved in the wealth creation process.

01:42:42.000 And now we just need more resources and more people to step up and empower them.

01:42:46.000 Right on.

01:42:47.000 Wolfstar says, here is a test, Tim.

01:42:49.000 Will you accept money from someone who uses is nameless on YouTube?

01:42:54.000 You'll take my money but won't accept my opinions. 0.98

01:42:56.000 How hypocritical. 0.87

01:42:57.000 Because it's nameless people with opinions who support. 0.90

01:43:01.000 This is interesting.

01:43:01.000 It's based on this tweet I made where it was literally a subtweet, but I tweeted, stop responding to people who don't use their name and don't use a real avatar, and you'll see political discourse improve.

01:43:13.000 And boy, did this have a mixed response.

01:43:15.000 A lot of retweets.

01:43:17.000 It was not the biggest ratio in the world, but I got ratioed on this.

01:43:20.000 And then I had people being like, Uh, one individual made a YouTube video claiming I was telling people to dox themselves and I was having a meltdown over this.

01:43:27.000 Meltdown! 0.70

01:43:28.000 And I'm like, I gotta be honest.

01:43:29.000 I was like, uh, what was I watching?

01:43:30.000 I think I was watching Outer Limits.

01:43:32.000 I'm sitting on my couch and I'm just like, my, like, drool coming out of my mouth.

01:43:35.000 Like I was eating an Italian beef sandwich and I'm just like...

01:43:39.000 And then all of a sudden, people are like, rah, storming and raging, and I'm like, whatever.

01:43:43.000 I'm not going to apologize.

01:43:44.000 I won't apologize to leftists.

01:43:45.000 I won't apologize to people who want to be, you know, nameless avatars on the internet.

01:43:49.000 My point was very simply, if I'm going to engage in discourse with somebody, but I'm visibly present with my name behind all of my words, The discourse is typically better when the other individual has the same levels of exposure and risk as you, because when people don't, they can say a whole lot of crazy things knowing they will never face any repercussions.

01:44:08.000 They have put nothing on the line to make those statements.

01:44:11.000 I understand.

01:44:11.000 Anonymity is very, very important.

01:44:13.000 I did a thread about the founding fathers, which was partially related, but kind of not really.

01:44:17.000 It's because I saw this meme, there's a meme that goes around talking about all the sacrifices made

01:44:21.000 by the founding fathers. We were in a conversation about Juneteenth, so all this stuff's in my mind.

01:44:25.000 And all of a sudden I'm hearing that I'm against anonymity and I want poor people doxing themselves, 0.99

01:44:29.000 which I didn't say. Which goes back to the lack of nuance when you have a limited amount of

01:44:33.000 characters and you're just like throwing out a random like idea that you know what's going on

01:44:37.000 in your head.

01:44:38.000 And then people put it out there and a couple characters and like completely read a million things into it.

01:44:43.000 And then, oh, well, you said this, but you didn't say this.

01:44:45.000 And I saw you defended this.

01:44:46.000 It's like it's just a little blip of a thought.

01:44:49.000 Yeah, and if you, if, if, if, uh, there's people out there, if they, they're like, Tim's doubling down on this, and I'm like, oh yeah, I doubled down when I insulted the leftists, too.

01:44:56.000 Like, do you think I, when I say never apologize, do you think that means I'll apologize to you?

01:45:01.000 Look, if you got mad about something I said, I don't know, like, sometimes we disagree on stuff, but I will say this.

01:45:08.000 Anonymity is fantastic and important.

01:45:09.000 That's why we've had a lot of discussions about anonymity versus using your real name.

01:45:14.000 I obviously know the Founding Fathers wrote under pseudonyms before, but it was when they used their real names and made those assertions and declared that they would put their lives, their honor, and their families on the line.

01:45:24.000 That was the profound move.

01:45:25.000 But I will make one very important point to those on the right who, for one, please don't look too deeply into what was a passive subtweet, for one thing.

01:45:35.000 And I don't apologize for having opinions.

01:45:38.000 I think my point is true that if I'm going to have a conversation with someone hiding behind a wall and I don't know who they are or they're wearing a mask, like they have certain advantages over me that's not same level of risk.

01:45:49.000 But I will mention.

01:45:50.000 There are dozens of stories.

01:45:52.000 There was one story not that long ago, September, where a teacher wore a Black Lives Matter mask at work, refusing to back down from her ideology, and was threatened with losing her job, and she said, I refuse, and they fired her.

01:46:02.000 There was a man at Taco Bell who wore a Black Lives Matter mask, and they said, take it off or else, and he says, never!

01:46:07.000 And then I get people tweeting at me saying, I can't lose my job.

01:46:10.000 And I'm like, that's absolutely fine and I understand that.

01:46:12.000 And I've stated on this show numerous times, I can respect people who have families and say it's very hard for me to do.

01:46:17.000 I understand it's much, much easier for me, because I don't have kids, to make a lot of these moves.

01:46:21.000 I've never hid behind that or claimed it wasn't true.

01:46:23.000 But you need to understand that even though that is true and I respect it, The advantage the left has is that they're absolutely willing to sacrifice themselves for their ideology, and many on the right or the anti-critical race theorists, the anti-SJWs, and conservatives are less willing to do it.

01:46:38.000 Not completely, but it seems to be at least a tendency at the very least.

01:46:45.000 Because these people are willing to go out, and perhaps it's interesting because they know they have less risk simply by virtue of their institutional infiltrations.

01:46:56.000 But I believe that their institutional infiltrations are built upon the fact that they're willing to not back down, and that gets the media on their side.

01:47:04.000 The squeaky wheel, that gets the grease. 1.00

01:47:05.000 So there's a big challenge in whether or not you should stick your name on everything you say.

01:47:10.000 You probably shouldn't.

01:47:11.000 But there is an important point that I believe that if every single person who opposed wokeness right now at their job said it, it would be over.

01:47:19.000 Because the polls show it is a microscopic fraction that believes these things.

01:47:24.000 And if every single person said, I will not comply with these policies or I will file an EEOC complaint, it would be over.

01:47:30.000 The challenge is the left is all about collectivism and organization, and the right is all about individual liberties, less willing to do it.

01:47:36.000 I think there's this interesting thing, and it's part of one of the takeaways that I was hoping to make in the book, The War on Small Business, about decentralization.

01:47:46.000 I think there's a way to be individual and come together.

01:47:51.000 Collectivism is for the good of the group.

01:47:54.000 Individuals coming together, people who are like-minded, who are using each individual thought, but they're all coming together to have a little bit more heft.

01:48:05.000 And so I think there's a different way to be able to do that.

01:48:08.000 And so for something like Wokeness, maybe it's that they're all doing it privately, that you get a hundred people who pick up the phone and all call the representative privately.

01:48:19.000 So that you've made your point known, but you haven't put it out on social media, whereas we've just talked about a segment before.

01:48:26.000 We don't need your that's not your lane of expertise or it's not your diary.

01:48:29.000 You need to be on everything.

01:48:31.000 But if it's something that's important to you, you don't want to have it broadcast.

01:48:34.000 I think there's a way to do that.

01:48:36.000 That's not necessarily in the public domain.

01:48:38.000 That's still effective.

01:48:39.000 Here's one of the challenges.

01:48:40.000 The left has institutional power, and many of these younger millennials on the left have much less to lose.

01:48:46.000 But when they tweet something like 50 tweets will hit a major corporation saying you're racist 4x.

01:48:53.000 They can be pictures of bunnies and squirrels and communist squirrels and Che Guevara avatars, but the company fears the left ideology.

01:49:02.000 And so even with anonymity in this regard, it could be one person sending all these messages.

01:49:07.000 The company assumes we're under attack.

01:49:09.000 There was a joke, I think it was maybe Family Guy, they were like, we received 70 calls last night, which means 7 billion people are upset with us.

01:49:18.000 Now here's the issue.

01:49:19.000 If real people with real names Who have their phone numbers or their identification complained.

01:49:27.000 The company does recognize that we're getting hit by actual bad reviews.

01:49:30.000 And so these are tactics that the right have implemented that have worked, like giving one-star reviews on apps and things like that.

01:49:36.000 But that could be anonymous as well.

01:49:38.000 So I'll put it this way. 0.97

01:49:39.000 If 30 communist squirrels and clown pictures emailed a company, they are scared of the ideology. 0.88

01:49:46.000 But if 30 anti-woke real people emailed, that has equal power. 0.86

01:49:52.000 If you're using an anonymous account and you're saying, I'm right-wing or whatever, they disregard it.

01:49:55.000 They're not scared of that.

01:49:56.000 But they are scared of actual people.

01:49:58.000 So you look at what's happening in these schools, these mothers, these fathers.

01:50:02.000 They are standing there, faces shown, names out there.

01:50:06.000 One guy gets arrested refusing to back down.

01:50:08.000 They have put, these people, these loud, in Atlanta County, have put their names on the line to fight for what they believe in, and it's sending, it's having a ripple effect across the country, which is very effective, so.

01:50:17.000 Yeah.

01:50:17.000 And by the way, that's a place where they should be doing that.

01:50:20.000 That's their kids.

01:50:21.000 That's the thing that they're in charge of.

01:50:22.000 And I think that's the point about picking your battles and really doubling down in those areas that you're passionate about, that you have the most expertise, that you have the influence.

01:50:33.000 I mean, those are the battles that should be fought.

01:50:36.000 Not every battle needs to be fought that way.

01:50:38.000 It's tough.

01:50:39.000 You know, strategic retreats make sense.

01:50:41.000 Definitely.

01:50:42.000 Anonymity is super important because you see like the Soviet Union, I mean, they would root people out and execute them, put them in gulags if they if they could figure out who they were.

01:50:50.000 So if you got... Mines is an anonymous social network, which is almost sounds like an anomaly or like, but basically, you can you can peer, you can like, peer validate who you are without actually showing who you are by being like, I like dogs, I like skittles, or whatever, and then they're like, yeah, that's Ian, that's Ian, that's Ian, but you never actually say who you are publicly.

01:51:09.000 That's a form of, like, anonymous social networking.

01:51:12.000 But Tim, I'm so down, I'm so into what you're saying about not, what I take is don't argue with faceless masses of people.

01:51:20.000 Don't argue with people that aren't speaking with their voice.

01:51:25.000 If it's writing on a wall and you have to go check on it's just it is such a waste of time and energy and it personally it infuriates me that to go through that and like you said they don't have the risk when you're anonymous you don't have the risk you'd have to back up what you say with with who you are so you can be a lot more ruthless and like you can say stuff you don't believe and there's no repercussion so I do love people claiming that I'm a grifter while I'm simultaneously having people attack me saying they won't support me anymore and I've become a monster and things like that.

01:51:53.000 You know what I thought?

01:51:54.000 I'll just apologize.

01:51:55.000 This is very curious to me.

01:51:56.000 I love this.

01:51:58.000 What is the actual grift?

01:52:00.000 Because I'm really into business models and scalable bit.

01:52:04.000 What's the grift?

01:52:04.000 By angering my own audience, the left who hates me will continue to hate me and I'll just lose money.

01:52:10.000 That's a really bad grip.

01:52:14.000 Let's have a brainstorming session, a strategic business session.

01:52:21.000 Look, if I say never apologize, you know, I mean it.

01:52:24.000 What I mean by never apologize is if I genuinely think I did something wrong, I'll apologize.

01:52:29.000 That's how I am, too.

01:52:31.000 I'm super sorry and you're going to hear about it, but it's not very often.

01:52:34.000 I tweeted about Andy No, and then the next day I looked at the tweet, and I was like, that was really crass.

01:52:40.000 I probably could have articulated this better. 0.99

01:52:43.000 Twitter sucks. 0.97

01:52:44.000 And so I said a couple times, I probably should have expressed myself way better. 0.99

01:52:48.000 I was frustrated.

01:52:49.000 I was having this heated conversation.

01:52:50.000 I see this, and I got really angry.

01:52:51.000 But you're a human being.

01:52:52.000 You shouldn't be expected to communicate perfectly at all points in time.

01:52:58.000 Again, who are you apologizing to?

01:53:01.000 Andy.

01:53:01.000 Okay, so you're apologizing to, okay, so if it was to him, if it was to him, I get it, but if it was to, like, you know, like, people, like, make apologies to the Twitterverse, like, I don't know why you would apologize to the Twitterverse for doing that.

01:53:13.000 I think apologizing to the person, I get that.

01:53:16.000 I stand by my opinion on it 100% that, you know, Andy should be leading the charge and not personally being down in these groups.

01:53:22.000 He should be teaching people to do these things.

01:53:24.000 I'm not saying it's easy, But I could articulate that better.

01:53:27.000 So like a ninja academy, because that's like a better business model.

01:53:31.000 Well, like right-wing watch, but for regular people who don't like extremists like Antifa, you know what I mean?

01:53:37.000 Or like the ACLU, maybe, before they lost their way.

01:53:39.000 But when it comes to me saying you have better political discourse with people who have their names and everything, I mean, I think that's just true.

01:53:49.000 And it's not because every single person who is using an avatar or a fake name or a username is a bad person.

01:53:55.000 It's because there are a lot of people trolling.

01:53:57.000 And it's because when I'm looking through my tweets and my responses, and I respond to people every so often, you're trying to pull a name out of a hat and hope you're getting the honest person out of a group of people who have communist squirrel accounts that are just lying and in bad faith.

01:54:11.000 Yeah, that's such a huge thing for me too, is that I'll have any discussion except for ones that are in bad faith.

01:54:19.000 And also on Twitter because I just don't think it's a good forum for it.

01:54:22.000 But in terms of like actually like kind of getting into things, like if you're coming at something in bad faith, like there's just no point.

01:54:29.000 It's hard to know for sure, but we should definitely get to super chats.

01:54:31.000 Cause I don't want to miss.

01:54:33.000 Well, so that, yeah, so, so this, people are saying, you know, that was, that was kind of the point, like, oh, you'll read an anonymous super chat, but not respond to someone on Twitter and not argue in texts.

01:54:46.000 Don't waste your energy arguing in text if you don't have to.

01:54:49.000 Yeah.

01:54:49.000 And, and I'm going to try, look, I'm gonna read this one right here.

01:54:52.000 Channel 404 says, Tim, you are truly no better than the corporate media, peddling fear and despair and drooling at every mention of war.

01:54:58.000 Shame on you.

01:54:59.000 Oh.

01:55:00.000 Okay.

01:55:00.000 Like, I'll take all the criticism and I'll read it.

01:55:03.000 And I'm just saying, like, I'm not gonna get dragged on Twitter by the communist squirrel anymore, you know what I mean?

01:55:07.000 It could be me, for all you know.

01:55:08.000 Don't, don't bite.

01:55:09.000 Ian's sitting there like, ah!

01:55:11.000 I mean, to be fair, the communist squirrel, like, they don't have a choice.

01:55:14.000 If they stand up against it, then they're squirrel no more.

01:55:17.000 So, I mean, I kind of give the communist squirrel a pass, you know? 0.99

01:55:20.000 I absolutely think writing under a pseudonym and anonymous publishing, like the Founding Fathers did, is great.

01:55:25.000 Ben Franklin did that.

01:55:26.000 No, I mean the actual communist squirrel.

01:55:29.000 Like, he doesn't want to be a communist.

01:55:31.000 Or a squirrel.

01:55:32.000 Well, maybe, I don't know.

01:55:33.000 No, he's just a cute squirrel, but now the communists have him and so he can't speak out.

01:55:37.000 I'm just saying, give him a break.

01:55:38.000 There actually is a communist squirrel account.

01:55:39.000 It's for the internet.

01:55:40.000 Ben Franklin did Poor Richard's Almanac.

01:55:42.000 Are you guys familiar with Poor Richard's Almanac?

01:55:44.000 Yeah, for like 40 years he was writing under a pen name because it was too dangerous.

01:55:47.000 I think to speak up.

01:55:48.000 He was like seeding the anti-British propaganda for like 30 years.

01:55:51.000 And Alice in Wonderland was considered to be like subversive allegory because you would be in trouble.

01:55:57.000 And I get all that.

01:55:59.000 I'm just saying I am not going to or I'm going to say I have better.

01:56:03.000 I don't even say don't.

01:56:03.000 I just like squirrels.

01:56:04.000 I have better discourse.

01:56:05.000 I just like squirrels.

01:56:06.000 That's just at the end of the day.

01:56:07.000 I love them.

01:56:08.000 I like squirrels.

01:56:09.000 I'm just putting it out there guys.

01:56:10.000 If you're a squirrel, I like you.

01:56:12.000 All right.

01:56:13.000 The Civic Nationalist says, Britain has been the underdog throughout history.

01:56:16.000 Many have tried.

01:56:17.000 Few have succeeded.

01:56:18.000 Let them come.

01:56:19.000 Our spirit will never break.

01:56:20.000 Have you said Thucydides' trap?

01:56:22.000 Brexit was a success. 1.00

01:56:23.000 Britannia will return to her former glory.

01:56:26.000 God save the Queen. 1.00

01:56:27.000 The Civic Nationalist, I'm a big fan.

01:56:28.000 I love your enthusiasm and support for your country.

01:56:32.000 And I really do love the Civic Nationalist Super Chats about Happy 4th of July!

01:56:36.000 and perspective between the American Revolution that we've had this conversation. So I when we

01:56:40.000 talk about the UK and we're even a bit dismissive, I respect your happy Fourth of July. Absolutely.

01:56:46.000 Downey Jr. says HMS Defender is part of the carrier strike group CSG 21, which is on tour

01:56:53.000 and heading to South China Sea. Give it a Google Wow, Boris Johnson wants UK to be the best naval

01:56:58.000 power in the EU again. Also, Russia always entering UK waters amazing. Good for him. 0.99

01:57:04.000 All right. Ted, too, says Tim, your take on the Crimean exchange sounds a lot like

01:57:07.000 supporting a modern day Tonkin Gulf incident.

01:57:10.000 I implore you to pause, reassess, and look into the details further.

01:57:14.000 I don't think your assessment was accurate.

01:57:17.000 I'm not sure which specifically about my assessment you're referring to, but I'm not an advocate for any war or conflict.

01:57:23.000 We're seeing Russia make claims.

01:57:24.000 Or maybe it's my assessment that I'm saying the UK is saying Russia never fired a warning shot.

01:57:29.000 I don't believe the UK in this regard.

01:57:31.000 I think Russia has no reason not to fire a warning shot.

01:57:34.000 Like if Russia said they fired a warning shot, they could easily just go, pow, it's a warning shot, you know?

01:57:38.000 And a BBC journalist said they heard shots fired, but the UK says it was a training drill or something.

01:57:43.000 So, yeah.

01:57:44.000 Justin Dubay says you should try and get Immortal Technique on the show.

01:57:48.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:57:50.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:57:52.000 Liz Scars says, a special guy in my life is going through a tough medical ordeal.

01:57:56.000 I would really appreciate lots of healing wishes for Mike, Jules, and Chula.

01:58:01.000 It's going to be a long summer, but we're fighting this with you.

01:58:03.000 We love you, Mike.

01:58:04.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 Lots of prayers.

01:58:09.000 Tyler Klovik says, what if the HMS Destroyer story is a distraction for the US conflict where McAfee didn't kill himself?

01:58:16.000 Man, they got mad at me for saying that.

01:58:17.000 It's so weird the mainstream media is like, how dare you claim that a guy who said he would never end his own life, ending his own life is a conspiracy.

01:58:24.000 They got mad at me about that?

01:58:25.000 I'm like... Here's a question I have, and I honestly don't know the answer to this.

01:58:29.000 Are there photos, like, do we know that he's actually dead?

01:58:32.000 No, that was my question.

01:58:32.000 Did he fake his death?

01:58:33.000 So, like, not to, like, take the conspiracy theory, like, what's up, but, like, is... Do we have a confirmation on this?

01:58:39.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:58:39.000 I haven't seen it.

01:58:40.000 I don't know.

01:58:41.000 Where's the picture?

01:58:42.000 I mean, like, I don't know that he's... I mean, this is just what's been reported, right?

01:58:46.000 All right, so we got two comments here.

01:58:49.000 Um, Beltazad says, I'm a trucker in the Northwest.

01:58:52.000 There is a shortage of drivers here.

01:58:54.000 Have a good job paying $30 an hour, but switching to tanker because it's two times current pay.

01:58:58.000 Wow.

01:58:59.000 And TheLoneRaptor says, I work for the biggest freight company in the Southeast, and I can confirm that there is a trucker shortage, as well as a freight handler shortage in our company.

01:59:07.000 Too much freight, not enough workers.

01:59:10.000 Wow.

01:59:10.000 It's like right on the verge of automation.

01:59:13.000 Another comment saying, from Tim Miners, I'm a trucker in California.

01:59:17.000 There is a driver shortage, especially in fuel.

01:59:19.000 I'm about to get a job hauling fuel since it pays $6 to $7 an hour more than what I make now, plus lots of hours.

01:59:25.000 Get that money.

01:59:25.000 Get that cash.

01:59:26.000 I love it.

01:59:27.000 Thank you for superchatting that.

01:59:29.000 The market is healing.

01:59:30.000 Oh, yes.

01:59:31.000 The market has said we pay more, but gas prices are going to go up.

01:59:36.000 And then everything else is going to go up.

01:59:38.000 But again, remember that the only reason there was this shortage is because the government disrupted the market and created the situation that discredited people to begin with.

01:59:48.000 So this is this is not the market deciding this needed to happen.

01:59:52.000 This is the coming out of the after effect of interference.

01:59:57.000 All right, we got Travel by Day says, I got a weird call from the Air Force the other day.

02:00:02.000 They said they were going over old applications.

02:00:04.000 They asked if I was still interested.

02:00:06.000 I applied in 2008.

02:00:06.000 Wow, that's strange.

02:00:11.000 All right.

02:00:11.000 How do we know it was the Air Force and like not one of those like spam calls?

02:00:15.000 Because I'm getting all kinds of weird stuff too.

02:00:18.000 Yeah.

02:00:18.000 Did you ever get those calls where you answer and it's just a recording of someone speaking Mandarin?

02:00:23.000 No.

02:00:23.000 No, I always get a woman with this really annoying voice.

02:00:26.000 I don't know why they always have it.

02:00:27.000 It's like, your warranty has expired!

02:00:30.000 It's like, do you really think that that's going to get me to call you back?

02:00:34.000 Like, come on, take the pitch down a little bit, lady. 1.00

02:00:36.000 What's up?

02:00:37.000 All right.

02:00:37.000 Rowan Thar says, Carol was absolutely right on so many parts of the US wanting to hire but not being able to get workers.

02:00:43.000 I just moved to a rural area for AG work and I am working six days a week and employers want more.

02:00:49.000 Well, I'll mention too, I think we have a couple, we've had like a couple thousand requests for work to work here.

02:00:56.000 So I certainly think that passion is a driving factor and that's why I kind of feel like there's some truth to people want a fulfilling job.

02:01:03.000 They don't want to just jump back into the labor market with something they're gonna be unhappy with.

02:01:07.000 They want to take the time to find something, you know.

02:01:09.000 Which, by the way, I want to say, this is an important point, is that is capitalism as well.

02:01:14.000 The fact that we have the privilege, there are people across the world who can barely support themselves, let alone choose how to support themselves, let alone do so by pursuing a passion.

02:01:25.000 The fact that you can make those choices, the freedom and choice, that is capitalism.

02:01:29.000 It's not always about the dollar things.

02:01:31.000 It's about having that freedom and choice.

02:01:33.000 So good for people who say, you know, I'm not driven just by a dollar freedom of choice.

02:01:38.000 I want a passion freedom of choice.

02:01:40.000 All right.

02:01:41.000 Let's see.

02:01:43.000 Where was I?

02:01:43.000 Where was I at?

02:01:43.000 I just lost the... Okay.

02:01:45.000 Bobby Bob says, what is the best argument for and against $15 and what would happen if it's passed?

02:01:50.000 Okay, so I'm assuming that's directed at me.

02:01:54.000 I am against any sort of interference in the market at all, and particularly putting it on a national basis where you've got every single person in Every age group in every place from Arkansas to Newark having the same thing.

02:02:10.000 If you do this on an artificial basis and you kind of go up the chain, what's going to end up happening is you're going to keep more people who are young and low skilled out of the workforce.

02:02:21.000 You're going to end up driving up the cost because it's not just that person whose wage, that unskilled laborer whose wages increase, but the person above them then wants an appropriate increase.

02:02:31.000 The person above them wants the appropriate increase.

02:02:33.000 Suppliers and vendors are all dealing with the same thing.

02:02:36.000 You're going to end up paying $23 for a slice of pizza or the place is going to shut down.

02:02:41.000 And the person who's now making $15 an hour is not going to have any more spending power.

02:02:45.000 And then they're going to say $25 more.

02:02:47.000 Right.

02:02:48.000 So you cannot do that.

02:02:50.000 Let people, your work, your choice.

02:02:52.000 Let people make those decisions.

02:02:53.000 We're seeing it now.

02:02:54.000 There's 9.3 million jobs that need to be filled.

02:02:56.000 We don't need to artificially continue to increase the wage.

02:03:00.000 There is no good argument that, as Thomas Ellis said, the actual minimum wage is zero.

02:03:05.000 And I have a tweet on this if you want to go at caroljsroth and minimum wage.

02:03:10.000 The minimum wages history, I also talk about this in the book, is actually keeping immigrants and women and people of color out of the workforce.

02:03:18.000 That's the point of it, is to keep people out of the workforce.

02:03:22.000 It has the same effect today.

02:03:23.000 All right, so I did see one chat where someone said that we should have Carl Benjamin on the show, and yes, any time.

02:03:30.000 If anybody has an open invite, it's of course Carl Benjamin of the Locust Eaters podcast, and of course Count Dankula, but they're across the pond, and there's a bunch of travel restrictions, but the moment they have an opportunity, not only that, but I say this of anybody, be it someone on the left or the right, when they host their own show, it's hard to ask someone to stop doing their show to do my show, because it's kind of like a favor, it's not like we pay people.

02:03:51.000 But, uh, Carl, man, we love you.

02:03:52.000 We'd love to have you on the show whenever you have any availability.

02:03:54.000 It's lotus eaters, right?

02:03:56.000 You said locust.

02:03:57.000 It's not like you said eating bugs, dude.

02:03:59.000 It's on the brain.

02:04:01.000 It is!

02:04:02.000 It's cicadas!

02:04:03.000 Joshua Ryman says, Ian, I love you.

02:04:06.000 Thank you, Josh.

02:04:06.000 I feel like now, instead of being the devil's advocate, you serve a greater purpose being yourself.

02:04:10.000 Keep being you.

02:04:11.000 Dude, we have opportunity to help a lot of people.

02:04:13.000 And it's just, if it's anything but bringing people to see, like, this crappy, uh, You know, don't buy houses, manipulation stuff to bring in amazing people in to talk about their expertise.

02:04:25.000 Tell me, Tim.

02:04:26.000 I just need to be honest with everybody and tell them the real reason we started this podcast.

02:04:31.000 It was because not enough people knew about graphene.

02:04:33.000 We're about to, though, and I have it right here.

02:04:35.000 Thanks for bringing it up.

02:04:36.000 Are you familiar with it?

02:04:37.000 I'm not.

02:04:38.000 It's monolayered carbon, hexagonal lattice, and it's got incredible mechanical properties.

02:04:43.000 It's electrically conductive, super capacitive.

02:04:46.000 It's like a semiconductor.

02:04:47.000 It's going to be a 21st century century industry.

02:04:49.000 Ian Ian's talk of graphene got me to literally invest.

02:04:53.000 I bought stock in a company that produces graphene because Ian

02:04:55.000 wouldn't stop talking about it.

02:04:56.000 And I'm like, I'm going to.

02:04:57.000 So I have stock in it.

02:04:58.000 But I just.

02:04:58.000 How's it doing?

02:04:59.000 Really well, actually.

02:05:00.000 Yeah.

02:05:01.000 20, 28, 29.

02:05:02.000 We're going to see mass inflection of graphene.

02:05:04.000 Just hearing like.

02:05:05.000 The next meme stock is graphene.

02:05:08.000 Probably, yeah.

02:05:08.000 Well, like, you know, I agree.

02:05:11.000 It's a wonderful material.

02:05:11.000 But when Steve Bannon's here talking about the economy, and then Ian went into like, we need to get American manufacture of graphene.

02:05:18.000 I laughed, I bust out laughing.

02:05:19.000 But Steve Bannon was like, yeah, like, we should be manufacturing new materials and becoming the hub for this.

02:05:24.000 But it was just like, it was the greatest moment of the graphene argument.

02:05:28.000 I love him.

02:05:29.000 Yeah, he's so open minded.

02:05:31.000 Alright, I'm gonna read this one.

02:05:33.000 It's drama-y, but... LMV says, Hi Tim and team.

02:05:35.000 Did you see the video TheQuartering made saying you had a meltdown?

02:05:38.000 I watched it.

02:05:39.000 He's all over the place.

02:05:40.000 Looks like clout chasing to me and maybe a little grudge over that scheduling issue a few months ago.

02:05:45.000 I'll be honest.

02:05:47.000 I get drama videos made about me all the time by people on the left.

02:05:51.000 There are people on the right.

02:05:52.000 I guess there's like some weird, you know, Nazi meme about me because... I don't know, whatever.

02:05:57.000 But it happens all the time.

02:05:59.000 I was just kind of like, It was one tweet. It was like I tweeted like

02:06:03.000 There's like two like it was like a tweet and then like I did like three responses to it

02:06:08.000 I don't understand why that's a meltdown meltdown Or like how it was advocating people dox themselves

02:06:14.000 So I just tweeted I tweeted at him like okay Kathy Newman like so you so you're saying you know

02:06:20.000 So you're saying or whatever and I'm like dude. I don't know I didn't I

02:06:26.000 People can make videos about whatever they want.

02:06:29.000 The weirdest thing to me is people are like, Tim's so egotistical and arrogant, and I'm like, I do say I am, but I'm also willing to accept that people make fun of me all of the time. 0.98

02:06:36.000 They called me a bald cuck. 0.96

02:06:38.000 They make videos saying I'm having a meltdown. 0.95

02:06:40.000 They're allowed to do it.

02:06:42.000 I respect their right to do it, and I'm an adult, and I just say, all right, you know.

02:06:45.000 But I will say, It brings up an interesting conversation and I'm interested to hear what people think.

02:06:53.000 And you know, so whatever.

02:06:54.000 Yeah.

02:06:54.000 So Jeremy's allowed to not like me.

02:06:56.000 He's like, he's highlighting what basically what we've been talking about that there's the value to anonymity, but there's also it's hard to communicate through text with, with anonymized source.

02:07:06.000 I mean, that's also very difficult.

02:07:07.000 I think that discussion with you and Jeremy would be a very interesting one to watch.

02:07:10.000 I am just annoyed that they've devalued all these things like Meltdown and Owned because like every time I click on something, it just doesn't get the payoff.

02:07:20.000 And I just feel like if you're going to say somebody's having a meltdown or they were owned, like it's got to be really good.

02:07:26.000 Like the bar is really high.

02:07:27.000 We're in 2021 now here, people.

02:07:29.000 So step up your meltdown games. 0.58

02:07:30.000 OK, I think you know what really bums me out is.

02:07:35.000 I was talking to another prominent personality over this and they were like, look, like you shouldn't get wrapped up in this.

02:07:41.000 You got to stay focused.

02:07:42.000 And I'm like, I am, you know, like I tweet at people.

02:07:44.000 I get into like troll wars and stuff and people get all worked up about it.

02:07:46.000 I don't care.

02:07:47.000 But I will say one of the most demoralizing things is that there are a lot of prominent personalities who have an opportunity to lead.

02:07:55.000 And I get frustrated when they don't.

02:07:57.000 And people get mad at me because like, you know, in the conversation I had with Bannon, I was mentioning like, We're trying to build all of this stuff.

02:08:04.000 TimCast.com.

02:08:05.000 We're trying to hire people and make journalism happen.

02:08:07.000 And I don't understand why so many other people don't do the same thing.

02:08:10.000 Because I know how much money some of these people make.

02:08:13.000 Very prominent personalities on Twitter and on YouTube who are making... Mentoring opportunities, uplifting opportunities, abundance mentality, help bring, empower other people.

02:08:23.000 This is exactly the conversation we've been having.

02:08:26.000 But they just buy, like, material things for themselves.

02:08:29.000 And they're allowed to.

02:08:30.000 I'm not dragging people for wanting stuff.

02:08:32.000 I'm just saying I wish that we had a little bit of the ideological fervor in regards to classical liberalism, freedom, and even conservatism, and like traditional liberalism, as the leftists have for wokeness.

02:08:46.000 Like their zeal and their passion and their fearlessness and their rage.

02:08:50.000 Exists in much smaller quantities in the anti-establishment, anti-woke, and conservative space.

02:08:54.000 Yeah, I'm obsessed.

02:08:55.000 I mean, I'm on fire in this realm.

02:08:58.000 I think this is why decentralizing social media and the Fediverse, the future of interconnected, decentralizing the economic system with cryptocurrency, decentralizing the military, small businesses.

02:09:12.000 It's so important.

02:09:13.000 And you want to get people excited about it.

02:09:14.000 You know, this is I went to school for acting.

02:09:16.000 This is why.

02:09:17.000 Because this stuff's boring as hell.

02:09:18.000 But you want to make people excited about it.

02:09:20.000 Coding.

02:09:20.000 Yeah.

02:09:21.000 And the crazy thing is, like, you don't have to forego the Ferrari to make the investment.

02:09:26.000 It's just delayed gratification.

02:09:28.000 Because if you uplift more people and you're sitting on top of that, then you end up making more money.

02:09:33.000 They end up making more money.

02:09:35.000 And you can buy two Ferraris down the road.

02:09:37.000 This isn't like an either or choice.

02:09:39.000 There's so many opportunities and it just kills me.

02:09:43.000 And I don't know if people don't have the conviction to do it.

02:09:46.000 I don't know if people don't have the knowledge or I don't know if people don't want other people to know that the opportunity is available to everyone.

02:09:54.000 That it's an ego thing.

02:09:56.000 Say like, I'm special.

02:09:57.000 I've somehow like figured out this special sauce and you can't.

02:10:00.000 Instead of going like, nope, pretty much everyone can figure this out.

02:10:02.000 I will say in Jeremy's defense, it's actually Casey Neistat, one of the like, you know, godfathers of YouTube in terms of vlogging especially.

02:10:11.000 People asked him about clickbait and he said the reality of YouTube, I'm paraphrasing, is that either you find something that will convince people to click and watch or you fizzle out and disappear and YouTube doesn't promote you or support you and then you get no traffic.

02:10:24.000 So he was like, it's the conundrum of YouTube.

02:10:27.000 You're upset that you're using certain titles or saying things certain ways, but then the alternative is just not existing at all on the platform because it really is about drama and catching people's attention and things like that.

02:10:37.000 But I will address one non-super chat from Mr. Obvious who said, And so this is another thing that I tweeted.

02:10:46.000 People say that it's easy for you to say these things, Tim.

02:10:49.000 You have all this money and you can do all these things.

02:10:52.000 My response is, I am not only calling out the establishment because I'm successful.

02:10:58.000 I am successful because I am calling out the establishment.

02:11:00.000 I had a contract with... I'm going to publicly state this.

02:11:00.000 Yeah, dude.

02:11:03.000 It was on the members only thing, but I'll publicly state this right now because it's been a long time.

02:11:06.000 I was given a check for $200,000, just about, by ABC News Univision.

02:11:12.000 As a sign-on bonus that we want you to start the company here and we will, here's the check, literally that day I was staring at it and they said sign up with us and they gave me $250,000 a year salary plus a massive budget which amounted to millions of dollars in terms of being able to produce and do all these things.

02:11:28.000 And I tried breaking that contract and walking away from it.

02:11:31.000 So people say, like, it's easy for you to say, Tim, you owe all this money, but my whole life, like, even when I was broke and homeless, I filed a lawsuit against a company I worked for for violations of labor laws and things like that, and that made me unemployed for months, unable to move because of ongoing litigation, and on and off homeless.

02:11:52.000 So what I mean to say is, if you're unwilling to take risks, I'm not saying you have to, But no risk, no reward.

02:12:00.000 For someone like me, it's not the fact that I'm successful that gives me the opportunity to do it.

02:12:04.000 It's that by refusing to bend the knee to ABC and all the money they offered me, and I've told the story about one day I wake up and they give me an extra $40,000.

02:12:12.000 Just boom in my bank account.

02:12:14.000 Play ball.

02:12:15.000 That's what it felt like they were saying to me.

02:12:16.000 And I still said no.

02:12:18.000 And then I leave and I start my own thing.

02:12:21.000 And my obstinance, and a bit my arrogance, and my unwillingness to bend the knee to these corporations leads me down that path of constantly building and fighting and doing what I believe in.

02:12:30.000 I understand not everybody can do that, and I understand a lot of people think it's arrogant and egotistical of me and I'm bragging and all that stuff.

02:12:35.000 I don't know how else to say it.

02:12:36.000 My point to most people is, if you believe in yourself and you take the risks, you very well may fail, or you very well may find that on the other side of the fire is freedom.

02:12:45.000 And let me just ask you this.

02:12:46.000 Do you believe other people could do the same thing?

02:12:49.000 I believe everyone could.

02:12:49.000 There you go.

02:12:50.000 And that's the point is that anybody, if you want to risk and reward, like you said, if you want to take the risk, you have that opportunity and you may not everybody may succeed, but you'll have that potential to succeed.

02:13:04.000 And having the abundance mentality lifts all the boats.

02:13:08.000 Skydiving.

02:13:09.000 It's really scary to take that leap out of that plane.

02:13:12.000 Yeah, I don't do that.

02:13:12.000 And they make people go tandem first, right?

02:13:15.000 And people do die skydiving.

02:13:17.000 I know a guy that did.

02:13:18.000 Rock climbing.

02:13:19.000 It's very, very scary to be, you know, 500 feet up with these, you know,

02:13:24.000 the spikes securing your position.

02:13:25.000 And a lot of people do it and some people fall.

02:13:28.000 And then there are these people, and this is the craziest to me,

02:13:31.000 you see these videos of these Russian guys who are like standing on the edge of a hundred-story building,

02:13:35.000 like, you know, and then they hang from one arm and they're laughing.

02:13:39.000 I don't know what the reward is for that.

02:13:40.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

02:13:41.000 Clicks, all risk.

02:13:42.000 Yeah, I'm a risk-adjusted return kind of gal.

02:13:46.000 None of those things are producing the return for me.

02:13:48.000 If they do for you, God bless you.

02:13:50.000 But that's where that personal risk-reward evaluation has to come into play.

02:13:55.000 So I just, you know, my view is when you take a risk and you throw yourself out there and you challenge the system, it is very possible that you end up, you know, living in a van down by the river, or maybe you don't even have a van.

02:14:07.000 But I suppose if you're not willing to take those risks, you know what I'll do?

02:14:11.000 I'll do a Star Trek reference.

02:14:13.000 I love The Next Generation, by the way.

02:14:14.000 We always start Joke Reference here.

02:14:16.000 Picard has a fake heart.

02:14:18.000 Captain Picard in The Next Generation has a fake heart because he got stabbed in the back because he got into a bar fight.

02:14:23.000 And he wishes he didn't do it.

02:14:24.000 He was so impertinent in his youth.

02:14:26.000 And so Q, this powerful, omnipotent entity, sends him back in time to change his circumstances.

02:14:32.000 And Picard decides to use this opportunity to stop the fight and save his heart.

02:14:37.000 And then when he returns to the future, he's no longer a captain.

02:14:40.000 He is a low-ranking lieutenant science officer.

02:14:43.000 And when he goes to Commander Riker and says, do you think I have what it takes to be in command?

02:14:48.000 Riker says, let me be honest with you, Mr. Picard.

02:14:51.000 You have never stuck your neck out or taken the risks required to show the initiative to be in command.

02:14:56.000 So no, it is not realistic.

02:14:58.000 And then Picard says, enough, Q, you've made your point.

02:15:01.000 That impertinence in his youth and that arrogance and that risk-taking led him to be one of the greatest captains of all time in Star Trek history.

02:15:08.000 There you go, Star Trek.

02:15:09.000 I love that I also just say, you know, over the course of my career, when people say what is sort of the number one thing that you would tell yourself in terms of going back in time, advice to yourself, and it is take more risk, especially when you're young and you don't have things to lose.

02:15:23.000 You don't realize, like, it takes almost the same effort to think small as it does to think big.

02:15:30.000 Look, like, I like Jeremy.

02:15:31.000 I think his videos are great.

02:15:32.000 I think he covers good topics.

02:15:33.000 and likes you and your grind. Also, going bald young means you have high testosterone.

02:15:37.000 Breaks my mind with stelter." 0.64

02:15:38.000 Um, look, like, I like Jeremy. I think his videos are great.

02:15:44.000 I think he covers good topics.

02:15:46.000 I like his opinions. And we disagree on things. And when I tweet at him calling him Kathy,

02:15:51.000 I'm laughing and I'm, I'm, I'm hope it's frustrating him getting trolled. And, uh, I hope he assumes

02:15:57.000 I'm laughing too.

02:15:59.000 I think Jeremy will end up back on the show, and I think so long... I just think it's funny.

02:16:04.000 I think we all have thicker skin on, like, whatever this side is of the culture war, and I just find it fun and funny, and these are good ideas to work out and good arguments to have, so Jeremy's always welcome back.

02:16:14.000 We had a scheduling issue that happened last time, and it was really frustrating for me.

02:16:18.000 And, you know, I apologize to Jeremy over all, you know, everything that happened.

02:16:24.000 These things happen.

02:16:24.000 But I got no beef.

02:16:25.000 I think Jeremy's great.

02:16:27.000 I'm glad he's willing to smack talk.

02:16:30.000 Absolutely.

02:16:30.000 Because if the right was full of people who were unwilling to be mean to each other and they couldn't be adults about it and move on, it would be as bad as the left.

02:16:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:38.000 He's smart, too.

02:16:39.000 That's what's nice about his trolling, is it's perceptive.

02:16:42.000 I love you, Jeremy.

02:16:43.000 All right, let's see.

02:16:45.000 We'll just do one more.

02:16:46.000 We've gone a bit long.

02:16:48.000 Phoebe Mancer says, thank you, Carol, for validating every reason I based developing my new business, ShopEveryTown.com.

02:16:54.000 Thanks to Tim and team.

02:16:56.000 So that's ShopEveryTown.com?

02:16:59.000 ShopEveryTown.com.

02:17:00.000 I'm gonna check it out.

02:17:01.000 Thank you.

02:17:01.000 Right on.

02:17:02.000 My friends, thank you all so much for hanging out, for super chatting, for smashing that like button, and being members at TimCast.com.

02:17:08.000 Sign up.

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02:17:10.000 Should be up around 11 or so p.m.

02:17:12.000 You can follow us on Facebook and Instagram.

02:17:14.000 I know, I know.

02:17:14.000 Facebook, meh.

02:17:15.000 But we're hoping to leverage that network to guide people to TimCast.com.

02:17:18.000 So we're on Facebook and Instagram at TimCast IRL.

02:17:21.000 By sharing our videos, it's the marketing power, it's how we compete with the establishment, and it works really, really well for The Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro, and they're growing like crazy, and I'm happy to hear it.

02:17:32.000 You can also follow me personally at Timcast and give us a good review and all that stuff.

02:17:36.000 Timcast.com, like button.

02:17:38.000 You want to shout anything out?

02:17:39.000 Perhaps a book, your social media?

02:17:40.000 Alright, so I've been promoting myself this whole time, so I'm going to let you promote the book.

02:17:45.000 The War on Small Business, How the Government Used the Pandemic to Crush the Backbone of America by Carol Roth, a New York Times bestselling author.

02:17:53.000 I strongly suggest you read this because one of the biggest subjects on this show is how we saw the largest transfer of wealth from the working class to the oligarchs.

02:18:03.000 And we need to understand how it's happening, why it's happening, what they're doing.

02:18:06.000 And knowledge is power, my friends.

02:18:08.000 If we're going to combat this Centralization of power and authoritarianism.

02:18:12.000 You need to read books like this.

02:18:14.000 Get it to number one on Amazon, and what was the other website you mentioned?

02:18:18.000 And bookshop.org.

02:18:20.000 Bookshop.org?

02:18:20.000 Yeah.

02:18:21.000 So that way other people will see it, other people will read it, and they'll share it with their friends, and these ideas will prevail.

02:18:27.000 Yes, and I'm also on Twitter at caroljsroth.

02:18:30.000 As I tell people, I'm sort of a luxury brand.

02:18:33.000 I'm well curated, kind of popular, but definitely not for everyone.

02:18:38.000 I like how you put that.

02:18:39.000 Thanks for coming, man.

02:18:41.000 And thank you so much for investigating this and writing this.

02:18:43.000 Thank you.

02:18:44.000 You guys can follow me at iancrossland.net and at iancrossland along all lines of social media.

02:18:48.000 You can also follow the show on Mines, which I want to shout out a little bit more because I love that decentralized aspect of social media that Mines has been working on with the Nomad system and other other things.

02:18:58.000 And follow me there as well.

02:19:00.000 Thanks.

02:19:00.000 All right.

02:19:01.000 And you guys, I've really been thinking about the topic of grifting because we see it thrown around so much.

02:19:06.000 And I came up with a definition because I love my definitions.

02:19:08.000 The definition of grifting is something done in bad faith for money or clout.

02:19:13.000 And as far as I can tell, based on everything I know about Tim and our company here, that is the antithesis of what we do.

02:19:20.000 You guys are welcome to follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter as I try to get more followers than Sour Patch Kids.

02:19:25.000 You know, I'll add one last thing.

02:19:27.000 There are a lot of people who, for some reason, it's the weirdest thing to me.

02:19:30.000 There have been some leftists who haven't made it to this show, but wanted to, but then canceled.

02:19:34.000 And there are people saying, like, Tim is scared to have leftists on the show.

02:19:37.000 We're organizing to have Vosh on the show.

02:19:40.000 I really enjoyed the conversation and the debate.

02:19:43.000 We have two other leftists who I want to have on the show.

02:19:45.000 And people in the chat are mentioning Mr. Obvious.

02:19:48.000 And I guess some people are saying that, like, I'm angry about his comments or he's trolled me or something like that.

02:19:54.000 No, I got no beef.

02:19:55.000 I don't know his circumstances, but we would absolutely have... We'll look into it, because some people have mentioned anonymity.

02:20:01.000 So if that's not possible, it's not possible.

02:20:03.000 But people are like, have him on the show.

02:20:04.000 It's like, all right, well, Miss Ravya, send us an email.

02:20:08.000 Send me an email.

02:20:08.000 Send what?

02:20:09.000 Spin the UFO?

02:20:10.000 You still checking that one?

02:20:11.000 Yep.

02:20:11.000 And then we'll try and figure out what's up.

02:20:13.000 And then for everybody else, we will see you over at timcast.com for the bonus segment.

02:20:16.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - June 24, 2021

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