Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - US SHUTDOWN IMMINENT, Spending BLOCKED, McCarthy FAILS w-Ami Horowitz & Matt Gaetz

00:00:00.000 The GOP has failed to produce the votes to pass the continuing resolution.

00:00:09.000 A government shutdown is imminent.

00:00:11.000 So this is going to be fun.

00:00:13.000 And this has a lot to do with whether or not all of the spending is done in one single omnibus, or... I'm going to defer to you.

00:00:19.000 What is it?

00:00:19.000 Single spending bills?

00:00:21.000 Is that what it is?

00:00:21.000 Yeah.

00:00:22.000 Single subject spending bills.

00:00:23.000 There we go.

00:00:24.000 So this is really big news right now, and I see a lot of people already in the chat are cheering for a shutdown, but we'll get into the finer details there.

00:00:31.000 We've got a bunch of other news.

00:00:32.000 Joe Biden apparently is going to be sending 800 troops to the border.

00:00:35.000 We've got an emergency declaration on the border already because 4,000 illegal immigrants entered in a single day, and Project Veritas is gone.

00:00:43.000 So we did talk about this a little bit yesterday, but now it is confirmed, I suppose, that there's numerous reports now talking about Project Veritas being completely done with.

00:00:52.000 They're laying off the last of their journalists.

00:00:53.000 So we got a lot to talk about.

00:00:54.000 Lots of breakdown, plus some information about what's going on in Ukraine.

00:00:58.000 Poland is going to be pulling weapons.

00:00:59.000 We'll get into that.

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00:01:56.000 Already, joining us tonight, you know who we've got.

00:01:58.000 We've got Matt Gaetz, we've got Ami Horowitz, but who wants to introduce themselves first?

00:02:02.000 Go ahead, Ami.

00:02:04.000 I'm Ami Horowitz.

00:02:05.000 What else do you want to know?

00:02:06.000 I'm a filmmaker.

00:02:07.000 First time on the show.

00:02:09.000 Super pumped.

00:02:10.000 Very excited.

00:02:11.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:11.000 Absolutely.

00:02:12.000 Glad to have you.

00:02:13.000 We've got Matt Gaetz.

00:02:13.000 He's back.

00:02:14.000 Congressman from the Florida panhandle.

00:02:18.000 Ian Crosland is a Florida man himself.

00:02:20.000 Did you vote to get rid of the dress code?

00:02:23.000 I'm okay with keeping it classy in Congress, you know?

00:02:28.000 That was in the Senate.

00:02:29.000 In the House, I guess we're still having to not wear our gym clothes around.

00:02:34.000 Alright, I don't want to joke around too much, Matt.

00:02:36.000 Thanks for coming, dudes.

00:02:37.000 I love you both.

00:02:38.000 Let's roll.

00:02:39.000 Carter Banks, what's happening?

00:02:40.000 What's up, guys?

00:02:41.000 Thrilled to be here, filling in for Serge for one more night, but yeah, let's do this.

00:02:45.000 Let's jump into the first story from the New York Times.

00:02:48.000 Right-wing rebels block defense bill again, rebuking McCarthy on spending.

00:02:54.000 It was the second time in a week that hard-right Republicans, I love that, I don't know what that means, had defied Speaker Kevin McCarthy on a spending measure, signaling that the GOP was still far from agreement on a bill to fund the government.

00:03:05.000 All right, let's just start from the beginning.

00:03:06.000 We got Matt Gaetz here.

00:03:07.000 Matt, what's happening?

00:03:08.000 So the government runs out of money at the end of September, and we've known that for a year.

00:03:13.000 And that is the money that was agreed to with Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi as part of the massive omnibus that most conservatives and I think most regular folks opposed.

00:03:24.000 And we made a commitment in January as part of the speaker contest that We would not govern by having one up or down vote on every disparate agency of government through continuing resolutions or omnibus bills.

00:03:41.000 You never get the type of specific review of anything when you do that.

00:03:44.000 So McCarthy agreed to that.

00:03:47.000 Here we are at the end of the month and we've only passed one of the twelve single subject spending bills.

00:03:54.000 And that's got a lot of people concerned.

00:03:56.000 McCarthy initially said, well, what we really need to do is pass a continuing resolution again.

00:04:02.000 Which, you know, this country has been governed by continuing resolution, or omnibus, since the mid-90s.

00:04:08.000 I know omnibus is when you pack a bunch of things into one bill and then get someone, but what's a continuing resolution?

00:04:14.000 A continuing resolution is, however things are being funded right now, just fund them the same way next year, with increases for, you know, inflation, cost of living.

00:04:23.000 So just keep doing everything the way it's always been done is the definition of a continuing resolution.

00:04:29.000 I do not believe that is a serious and responsible way to govern, and I believe the reason we have a $32 trillion debt is because we have governed this way since the mid-90s.

00:04:38.000 So McCarthy wanted to do that and say, well, that'll just buy us time.

00:04:43.000 We'll just do a continuing resolution for a little bit, but don't worry, after that we'll really get our single-subject spending bills in order. 0.90

00:04:50.000 I've heard the same bullshit for seven years I've been here, and it's always the same rhythm.

00:04:55.000 And so I got a group of conservatives together and we said we will never vote Up or down for every agency of government together ever again. 0.97

00:05:04.000 We have to impose discipline on this process where there is programmatic analysis and review and a determination as to what's working and what's not working and the ability to actually isolate some of the most weaponized programs and excise them from the government budget strategy.

00:05:22.000 This is not just a right-wing idea, to your point.

00:05:26.000 When we were in the speaker contest fighting for this, No less than AOC went on Rachel Maddow and said, what the Freedom Caucus, what the conservatives are fighting for here, would actually be good for everyone.

00:05:38.000 On the Young Turks, people who loathe me, and said they loathe me, said, well if you really think about it, these single subject bills could help us really evaluate our priorities as a nation.

00:05:52.000 Even the New York Times ran an opinion piece.

00:05:54.000 Matt Gaetz is right about McCarthy breaking those commitments.

00:05:57.000 So, in Washington, people don't think you have to live up to your promises.

00:06:00.000 They think you could just kind of bullshit your way through, oh, you make a promise, it's a few months later, you ignore it, you engage in some other power trading enterprise.

00:06:08.000 We got together and said, no, you have to keep your word. 0.90

00:06:10.000 We're not voting for these.

00:06:12.000 And then, today, we had a little bit of a breakthrough.

00:06:17.000 I just left a closed-door meeting with some of the most moderate members from New York, some of the most conservative members from around the country, and they acknowledged that the votes do not exist to pass a continuing resolution, and they sat down and said, what are the first four single-subject spending bills you'd like us to consider?

00:06:34.000 And we said, well, you know, if we're going into a shutdown, Let's fund the DoD, and again, our appropriations bill has all the gating to keep money away from the gender reassignment surgeries and the DoD becoming an abortion travel agency and all the stuff that has been really problematic about the DoD.

00:06:50.000 Second, the border.

00:06:51.000 Our Department of Homeland Security funding bill.

00:06:54.000 That pays the TSA agents, that pays Customs and Border Patrol, that pays ICE.

00:07:00.000 Third, we want deep cuts to the Department of State and Foreign Ops.

00:07:04.000 We think an easy place to show good faith on deep cuts is foreign aid.

00:07:09.000 Because if we're out of money, maybe we should borrow less of it to give it to other countries.

00:07:15.000 And then the final one is the agriculture appropriations bill that we agreed to bring up in debate because there's so much waste in the food stamps program, there's so much opportunity for savings with basic work requirements, and we think we can have deep cuts there.

00:07:31.000 So if you get all that together, put it up, get it moving in single subject review, I think you can build real momentum.

00:07:37.000 So the House has really abandoned the McCarthy CR strategy today and has embraced the Matt Gaetz strategy of single-subject spending bills.

00:07:47.000 And that's not to my credit, that's to the credit of some of the moderates who I think wised up and said, If we're going to go into a shutdown, let's at least lay out what our priorities are.

00:07:57.000 And by the way, it is divided government.

00:07:59.000 So on those single-subject bills, we're going to have to negotiate with Democrats.

00:08:03.000 And I think that is the situation the voters have put us in, but at least we can cast a vision by passing our bills and then having, I think, the best posture to negotiate with the Senate and the White House.

00:08:16.000 I feel more productive today than I did yesterday when my sole goal was to kill governing by continuing resolution.

00:08:23.000 I think we've got that pretty well buried six feet under for now.

00:08:27.000 There's a threat from moderate Republicans to the Gates strategy, and it sort of goes like this.

00:08:32.000 Well, here we are at the end of the road, Gates wants to spit out all these single-subject bills, and we just don't think there's time.

00:08:40.000 Now, whose fault is that?

00:08:41.000 That's the Speaker of the House's fault.

00:08:43.000 That's the Appropriations Chair's fault.

00:08:45.000 By the way, when we were negotiating this bill last night, trying to get together, the Appropriations Chair left to go to a fundraiser.

00:08:53.000 For with lobbyists.

00:08:54.000 Who is the appropriations chair? 0.91

00:08:55.000 Her name is Kay Granger and she left the meeting where we were going over funding the government because she didn't want to miss scooping up checks from lobbyists. 0.94

00:09:04.000 Is this the first time there's not been an Omnibus or a CR in what, decades?

00:09:11.000 I mean, this is the first time since, I think, 1997.

00:09:13.000 You can check me on that, but to get that, here's what we have to avoid.

00:09:18.000 So one of the bizarre rules of the House is if you ever have 218 signatures on any piece of legislation, it's do not pass go, do not collect $200, that legislation goes directly to the floor.

00:09:31.000 So all 213 Democrats are willing to sign what's called a clean continuing

00:09:37.000 resolution which is no changes to the government keep funding the woke weaponized 0.64

00:09:42.000 government why wouldn't they this was the deal that mcconnell and pelosi initially made they'd

00:09:46.000 continue that forever under under those terms so they've got a clean cr and what the threat is is

00:09:52.000 that five uh you know liberal or moderate republicans could just say we don't want to do the

00:09:58.000 single subject bills we don't want to go through the pain of doing the cuts to foreign aid or to

00:10:02.000 food stamps or anything like that so we're just going to go sign what's called a discharge 0.96

00:10:07.000 petition and then just move that thing like shit through it they they 0.85

00:10:11.000 They absolutely could, and to those Republicans who would want to take that route, I think that's wonderful, and Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger will be there waiting at the bar afterwards when you retire and never get re-elected. 0.95

00:10:20.000 Every Republican who would sign a discharge petition with the Democrats will be signing their own political death warrant.

00:10:27.000 and handing it to their executioner. Because it'll be the Democrats hunting them and taking

00:10:31.000 them out of office, and every one of them will lose their re-election. Some would lose it in

00:10:34.000 a primary, some will lose it in a general. But the good news is, actually, some of the folks that

00:10:39.000 might otherwise do that, I think, have really bought into my strategy to move single-subject

00:10:45.000 individual spending bills. But it's not even about a strategy, it's about what is right for this

00:10:49.000 country.

00:10:50.000 We've long complained, as far as, as long as I've been active in, or as long as I've been an adult dealing with politics, the idea that, what do they bring in, like a wagon with all the 5,000 pages?

00:11:02.000 They wield it into Congress or whatever?

00:11:03.000 Like, okay, you're voting on this, you can't read it, sign it.

00:11:06.000 That's insane.

00:11:07.000 Well, and what if you want to vote for the veterans programs and against the Department of Education?

00:11:12.000 Like, what if you want to vote for the military but against foreign aid?

00:11:15.000 They never give you that opportunity.

00:11:17.000 So they just come to you, put it all in front of you, and say they threaten you with shutdown politics.

00:11:22.000 And then say, what, are you not a member of the team?

00:11:24.000 You want to hurt the economy?

00:11:25.000 You want to hurt the country?

00:11:26.000 And in the end, it's all just a march to perdition.

00:11:29.000 Because we are $32 trillion in debt, running up against $2 trillion annual deficits at a time when the global economy is de-dollarizing.

00:11:37.000 Yeah, they call it a defense bill that you were pushing back against.

00:11:42.000 It's a defense spending bill.

00:11:43.000 What else does that entail?

00:11:45.000 How long does it take to debate a single issue?

00:11:48.000 Well, the defense bill has 186 amendments.

00:11:52.000 That's not a defense bill.

00:11:53.000 They call it a defense bill to make you look bad for going against it, but there's other stuff in there.

00:11:58.000 Well, this particular bill is a single-subject defense appropriations bill, but there's amendments to take out the Ukraine money.

00:12:05.000 There's amendments where people want different Things to happen with military policy or with a mission that relates to their district or their constituents.

00:12:14.000 And by the way, that's what governing looks like.

00:12:17.000 Mowing through those amendments, giving them their ten minutes of debate each, debating all night if we have to, all morning, and then let the votes fall where they may.

00:12:25.000 I'm okay with that.

00:12:26.000 What I'm not okay with is a few people in a back room come up with that 5,000-page bill, and you've got, you know, a day or two to figure out whether or not you're pro-government or anti-government.

00:12:36.000 How lazy and nihilistic that is.

00:12:39.000 So these people don't want to do work.

00:12:41.000 That's what I'm wondering.

00:12:42.000 Does it come down to laziness?

00:12:43.000 You mentioned one woman goes off to a dinner with lobbyists or whatever?

00:12:48.000 Yeah, she couldn't be bothered to work with us on what should be the non-defense discretionary number that we have and how should we consider what amendments should be voted on or not voted on.

00:12:59.000 She left to go to a lobbyist fundraiser.

00:13:02.000 Well, so let me ask you, what does this mean?

00:13:03.000 What does a government shutdown mean for the average person?

00:13:06.000 I can tell you what it means in my district.

00:13:08.000 In the Florida Panhandle it means tens of thousands of people go without a paycheck who keep our country safe, who are the civil servants doing the highest end research.

00:13:16.000 It means that the weapons that we're testing to ensure that America holds the high ground, that that goes on hold.

00:13:23.000 It means that in an era where 61% of people in this country are living paycheck to paycheck, that people will be deeply uncomfortable if this thing lasts more than a month.

00:13:35.000 It shouldn't!

00:13:36.000 It shouldn't have to.

00:13:38.000 I think that we are destined for a short shutdown if we can get the... and that's because our speaker was not doing the work in the spring and in the summer, you know, presenting these bills on the floor for us to work through them over time.

00:13:52.000 But I think that's not...

00:13:54.000 A bug of the system, I think it's a feature.

00:13:57.000 I think the whole goal is to set these deadlines where we don't do any work and then at the end, you centralize power with the donor class and the lobbyists.

00:14:07.000 Because if they give a lot of money, they don't really, the reason they give that money is to not have individual review of their programs.

00:14:15.000 It's just to get the people they give the money to, to make sure that their special interest is covered by the legislation.

00:14:21.000 And if the donors are going to, say, the Speaker of the House, it's a lot easier to centralize your lobbying on a single individual than it is the entirety of Congress.

00:14:28.000 And you heard all of my colleagues during the speaker contest debase themselves going to the floor saying, Kevin McCarthy is owed the speakership because of how much money he's raised and given us.

00:14:38.000 That was why?

00:14:39.000 That was the game.

00:14:40.000 That was the primary reason.

00:14:41.000 Many of my colleagues used that as the centerpiece of their argument as to why we ought to vote for him.

00:14:46.000 I used it as a centerpiece of why we shouldn't vote for him, because maybe we shouldn't vote for someone who's sold shares of themself.

00:14:53.000 How would you... I just... my idea is... my hope is that the ideas you have and the way you do things, I hope it's winning.

00:15:01.000 Well, I tell you what, we got the win at our back.

00:15:04.000 And we didn't have the buy-in that we have today from Republican moderates to go through these bills individually.

00:15:11.000 I think they're coming to realize that is the only way we're going to get through this.

00:15:15.000 And I know this is wonky, but you have a very sophisticated audience, and I've got some thoughts to share.

00:15:19.000 I've been out in America, and I know a little bit about the Tim Pool audience.

00:15:22.000 But the circumstance is, if we do single-subject spending bills, And at the same time, have a continuing resolution that we pass?

00:15:32.000 Well then, I know what the Senate will do.

00:15:35.000 That swampy institution will just pick up the continuing resolution, negotiate its terms, and forget about all of the individual review of programs.

00:15:44.000 And that is unserious.

00:15:46.000 That is unpatriotic.

00:15:49.000 For people who get the opportunity to be on the board of directors of the most powerful country.

00:15:53.000 I think... I don't know if it's the internet or whatever, the younger generation is more tuned in to a certain degree.

00:15:59.000 The idea that they would cart in 5,000 pages and say, we know you're not going to read it and you can't.

00:16:05.000 Sign it.

00:16:06.000 Or else.

00:16:07.000 Or else your campaign money goes away, or else your committee assignments could be jeopardized, otherwise your leadership, your gavel, if you're a chair or a ranking member on a committee, you could lose that.

00:16:19.000 You gotta break it.

00:16:20.000 And then that's why people go home and say, you know what, I know that we're all bankrupt, we're killing the dollar, we're destroying the American dream, but I had to vote to keep everything open because, you know, our troops and our veterans.

00:16:30.000 Could you imagine how long the Constitution would be if it was drafted today?

00:16:34.000 Oh yeah.

00:16:35.000 Could you imagine?

00:16:36.000 How many lawyers would have been involved with writing it?

00:16:38.000 The amount of money being spent on it?

00:16:40.000 Lobbying for it?

00:16:41.000 Jesus.

00:16:42.000 You had an interesting question before the show that I wanted to wait on, and you said, a question about default.

00:16:42.000 Yeah.

00:16:47.000 Do you want to answer?

00:16:49.000 Yeah, so, look, there's a lot of nuance to any kind of shutdown.

00:16:53.000 No shutdown is the same, right?

00:16:54.000 It all changes.

00:16:56.000 And look, I have a number of issues, but one of my major issues when it comes to default is the faith and credit of the U.S.

00:17:03.000 The dollar is already under assault.

00:17:06.000 We're having massive issues because of our economic issues, because of inflation.

00:17:10.000 The dollar's been under assault for a long time, certainly under this administration.

00:17:14.000 My worry, my great worry, is a default.

00:17:17.000 That's something I cannot sit with.

00:17:22.000 You asked earlier, I don't want to take the question.

00:17:24.000 How long will it take?

00:17:26.000 How many days does it take before we say, okay, now we're at the point where we can start paying our interest rates on our bonds?

00:17:31.000 Yeah, default of course is different than the government running out of money, right?

00:17:35.000 Those two things don't align.

00:17:37.000 We're at no risk of default because we have abolished the debt limit.

00:17:42.000 We, through the bad debt deal that McCarthy valeted for Democrats into law, through that, there is no limit to the amount of Fed policy that can exist to keep printing money.

00:17:53.000 The problem is that money can't go to deploy to government agencies to run government programs that are deemed non-essential during a shutdown.

00:18:01.000 But you can increase the debt if the government is shut down, technically.

00:18:05.000 Well, no, there is no limit to the amount of dollars we will pay on interest until January of 2025.

00:18:11.000 That is the feature of the inaptly named- The May deal, the McCarthy- No, well, that's a different feature.

00:18:16.000 the May deal that McCarthy got.

00:18:19.000 No, well that's a different feature.

00:18:23.000 That's if the 12 spending bills are not passed by March, then we do fund everything exactly

00:18:31.000 the same, except take a 1% haircut, starting in March.

00:18:35.000 And McCarthy and the advocates for the Fiscal Responsibility Act, which was fiscally irresponsible, they would say, but that's a cut in spending.

00:18:45.000 We should celebrate that.

00:18:46.000 Now, government spending grew by 40% during COVID.

00:18:50.000 And a lot of that was through entitlement programs because eligibility ballooned.

00:18:54.000 But you can't grow government by 40% and then say the grandiose win we got was a 1% haircut starting March of 2024.

00:19:04.000 Opportunity cost.

00:19:05.000 If you stop spending 1% on something that could be making you a 2% return, you're actually losing money.

00:19:10.000 So just stopping certain expenditures is not necessarily a good profit.

00:19:14.000 That's a big debate we're having today because I had one member look at me and say, well Matt, here's really where I can get on board with you.

00:19:21.000 If you just say, across the board, everyone takes a 7-8% haircut, everyone gets it, every program gets it the same, I think that's great.

00:19:31.000 What I don't want to do is have to go in and make value judgments about vertical cuts.

00:19:36.000 Who gets vertical cuts and who doesn't?

00:19:38.000 Because I'm really worried that if we did that, there's some transportation projects in my district that would be deemed a boondoggle or wasteful and might be cut.

00:19:48.000 So it can't be a merit-based analysis.

00:19:50.000 It has to be a uniform reduction.

00:19:54.000 Wait, wait, what?

00:19:55.000 Because it's not private sector.

00:19:58.000 Yeah, he's basically saying there's a strong possibility they're going to find out that we're wasting money.

00:20:01.000 Please don't take our money away.

00:20:03.000 Well, and so long as everyone's wasteful spending is reduced by an equal amount, and we don't look at logic or reason, where my district might do worse.

00:20:12.000 That's what the members say.

00:20:13.000 I want to be there for those debates.

00:20:14.000 I think it's fair to say all nonsensical programs get budget cuts, but all or nothing, I kind of feel like you should have an assessment on what we're wasting our money on and where we should spend it. 0.98

00:20:25.000 It's almost like that's our fucking job! 0.95

00:20:28.000 To look at the budget and figure out what works and what doesn't, and you're right! 0.97

00:20:32.000 If we do uniform cuts across the board, then there could be things that actually are helpful and are working and might be providing a positive return that are diminished, while at the same time things that should be totally zeroed out get to avoid any type of sincere review.

00:20:48.000 I gotta jump to this story from the Postmillennial before I get into the question I have for you.

00:20:51.000 This is, uh, Ken Paxton reveals to Tucker Carlson that Biden administration lawyers were part of his impeachment investigation in Texas.

00:20:57.000 So, of course, Ken Paxton, interviewed by Tucker, even when I say that he believes 2020 was fraud, that stopping the ballot counting in Georgia was so that they can, this is what he said, he said they want to see how many votes they needed.

00:21:08.000 There's a lot of questions around the DOJ's involvement in targeting Trump supporters over the 2020 election.

00:21:14.000 And one of the big conversations that I hear quite a bit is, defund the FBI, take away the funding for the DOJ if they're going to be political, and target Trump supporters with these disproportionate charges.

00:21:24.000 You get a guy, you know, he gets a couple years from burning down a police station, and then some other guy knocks over a barricade and gets two decades.

00:21:31.000 I'm curious where the conversation is right now in Congress around defunding these law enforcement agencies for the disproportionate... It's central to the last 48 hours because the McCarthy CR that we had to kill was sort of based on the proposition that by surrendering every fight that wasn't the border and picking only the border fight that we could isolate an issue that really brought Republicans like me in concert with Eric Adams, the Democrat mayor of New York.

00:22:02.000 I and many others were unwilling to go along with that tactic precisely because to surrender the fight at the Department of Justice and the FBI and the weaponization that is occurring there, you know, is just not palatable.

00:22:15.000 And it's not just that stuff you worry about and that constellation of problems the federal government has doesn't just emerge in the DOJ and the FBI.

00:22:23.000 I told you that the Homeland Security bill is one of the ones that's in this four bill package that we're

00:22:29.000 going to begin to move.

00:22:30.000 And there's a lot of concerns about CISA, these entities at Homeland Security that do a lot of

00:22:36.000 domestic surveillance, that are evaluating political speech that is posted on social media,

00:22:42.000 that are creating threat tags around various types of First Amendment protected activity.

00:22:48.000 So that's hard work, but I'd rather do that while looking only at the Department of Homeland Security than do that while looking at the Department of Homeland Security and the Post Office.

00:22:57.000 Right.

00:22:58.000 So, well, what's your position?

00:23:00.000 I mean, should there be cuts to the FBI, the DOJ, CIA?

00:23:04.000 Oh, listen, we're way past the exacto knife with those agencies.

00:23:09.000 We've got to pull out the meat cleaver.

00:23:11.000 Not at all.

00:23:13.000 Well, I think that really what we've got to do is return the FBI to a law enforcement agency, not an intelligence collection entity.

00:23:22.000 Really, the communization of the FBI altered the perspective of the FBI.

00:23:28.000 They don't look at crimes and try to catch people committing crimes, they try to become predictive of what's going to happen in the future.

00:23:35.000 And when they become predictive and then align that with a really left I'm curious as we switch into, assuming you switch into single-subject spending bills, where Democrats will fall on a lot of these issues.

00:23:45.000 next door might be a domestic terrorist, that creates the cauldron of weaponization. 0.99

00:24:04.000 I'm sure, you would probably know better than me, but, you know, I got a super chat here saying, defund the FBI, the ATF.

00:24:09.000 I'm wondering where a lot of Democrats would fall if someone said, hey, we want to provide X amount of dollars to this agency, say, you know, the FBI, the CIA.

00:24:17.000 I imagine some of them might just be like, I literally don't care one way or another, and could be swayed to either not support or support it, whereas if you have an omnibus, they're going to say yes no matter what, right?

00:24:27.000 Well, interestingly, what is defining how the Democrats view a lot of these things is abortion.

00:24:33.000 You know, on the defense appropriations bill, we have certain restrictions on how money can be used so that the Department of Defense isn't an abortion travel agency.

00:24:43.000 And for that and that alone, every Democrat will vote against the defense spending bill.

00:24:48.000 I've gone to some of them and said, like, this builds a new 200 million dollar hangar in your district. 0.99

00:24:53.000 This brings aircraft into your state or into your community and they don't give a shit. 0.99

00:24:58.000 If they're, like, they are so, um, I would say driven by this abortion issue, that that takes them all off the bill. 0.98

00:25:05.000 Then the agriculture bill, there's this big debate about these pills that get mailed out and the FDA's kind of regulation that kind of gets wrapped up in the Ag FDA.

00:25:16.000 So even the agriculture bill, they'll find a way to kind of wrap in with abortion. 0.98

00:25:20.000 So here's what you do.

00:25:22.000 Whatever the spending is cut down to in terms of some way going to abortion, break it up further and then have like the minor abortion funding bill.

00:25:33.000 Please sign it and it says this bill allows for the funding of abortions in your state up to X million dollars and abolishes the Department of Education.

00:25:40.000 See, now you've divorced yourself from the single-subject spending paradigm.

00:25:44.000 Now you're playing the lock-rolling game, Tim.

00:25:47.000 Right, right.

00:25:48.000 You've gone establishment on me.

00:25:49.000 Well, that's the point.

00:25:50.000 I mean, if you have to collect votes on funding for the ATF, how many Democrats are going to be very enthusiastic about signing a bill to provide funding to the ATF?

00:26:00.000 All of them, because they believe that gun violence is the next great national emergency that might justify locking us all in our homes and dictating how we live our lives.

00:26:12.000 And the ATF is central to how to kind of gun scare people into a real restriction of their liberties.

00:26:19.000 How many Republicans would be in favor of not abolishing, but defunding to any degree the ATF?

00:26:27.000 I think we have a number of Republicans who will support some cuts, but let me give you an example of what we face.

00:26:33.000 I had a Republican stand up and say, one of my concerns is, look, we centralize a lot of these FBI people in Washington, D.C., and they all become politicians, because CNN's taking them to a Washington Nationals game, and ABC's wanting to develop a source, so they all become kind of media politicians.

00:26:51.000 So we wanted less of that going on in D.C.

00:26:53.000 So they've got a proposal for a $325 million new facility in the D.C.

00:26:59.000 area, and I thought we should not fund that.

00:27:02.000 We should keep them at the J. Edgar Hoover building where they belong.

00:27:06.000 And a Republican stood up and said, I won't support taking $1 off of that new FBI building, because then we will be the party of defunding the police.

00:27:15.000 You're laughing, but they've already used that line over and over.

00:27:18.000 I know.

00:27:19.000 That's not like a fake thing.

00:27:20.000 The Democrats have used that line saying the Republicans are the ones- Republicans just say yes! 0.88

00:27:25.000 I'd be like, sure.

00:27:26.000 Well, nobody thinks that the CISA agent spying on their Facebook page is the same as the cop who keeps their neighborhood safe.

00:27:36.000 Like, no one actually believes.

00:27:38.000 I don't think that, while the Democrats keep saying that, I think the American people are smart enough to appreciate that distinction.

00:27:44.000 But I just don't see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.

00:27:47.000 Who have constituents who are angry with policing in their districts, in their cities, especially as it pertains to Black Lives Matter, to try and then shift it to the Republicans or defunding the police.

00:27:56.000 And then all you gotta do is come out and be like, well, you know, the issue was that we were concerned about the lives of our black and brown friends and family members.

00:28:02.000 So, yeah, that's us.

00:28:04.000 Next question.

00:28:04.000 And then they're going to be like, wait, wait, wait, what?

00:28:07.000 Let them give up one of their key talking points?

00:28:08.000 They raised, what, like a hundred plus, hundreds of millions of dollars off the concept that police were bad?

00:28:13.000 They don't want to give that away?

00:28:14.000 Shift all of their good social justice activists under Republicans?

00:28:17.000 Well, this is why they're seeing an erosion in minority support among the Democrats.

00:28:22.000 Oh, for sure. 0.99

00:28:22.000 They're not stupid. 0.99

00:28:23.000 Isn't that the driving issue in New York? 1.00

00:28:25.000 Absolutely.

00:28:26.000 Well, it is, and now, oddly enough, immigration has become a driving issue.

00:28:31.000 Who could have thought?

00:28:32.000 Look, one of the greatest pieces of political theater I've seen in my lifetime is having Greg Abbott and Florida sending up migrants to blue cities.

00:28:41.000 And to watch the apoplexion of the blue mayors is beyond belief.

00:28:47.000 I mean, to see the mayor of Chicago say it's inhumane to send them to Chicago, I'm like, now you see my point.

00:28:53.000 I've been saying that for now for years.

00:28:55.000 I love the... It's just, how do you describe it?

00:28:59.000 We all sit here, trying our best to be good stewards of this nation, good stewards of this earth, of humanity, and we politely and respectfully say, hey, unwatched, unregulated, illegal immigration is causing problems for everybody, including the migrants, and they tell you to shut up, they call you racist, they call you a bigot, and then we say, okay, well, if you disagree, then this works out.

00:29:19.000 We'll send them your way, because you want to help them out, and you don't like the way we run things, and now, apoplectic.

00:29:24.000 No single issue showed the hypocrisy of the left than this, right?

00:29:29.000 When they jumped up and down and said, New York is a sanctuary city.

00:29:33.000 Well, until you actually send them to me and then we're not a sanctuary city anymore.

00:29:37.000 We want them the hell out of here.

00:29:38.000 Well, Adam said, New York will be destroyed. 0.80

00:29:41.000 That's right.

00:29:42.000 Isn't that all because of the right to shelter law that they have?

00:29:46.000 Like in New York, you have a right, the government is obligated to provide you shelter.

00:29:51.000 And that doesn't exist elsewhere.

00:29:53.000 And so by extending socialism, they became a magnet for what now they claim ails them.

00:30:01.000 Tell that the tens of thousands of homeless people I see on my streets in Manhattan every single day who are not being housed or home.

00:30:07.000 But the best part is that what they what they try to do is they try to frame the homelessness issue as an economic issue, not as an issue of mental illness or drug abuse.

00:30:17.000 Right.

00:30:17.000 Because when they frame it that way, what their ultimate goal They want to take down capitalism.

00:30:22.000 They say, look, capitalism has led to this.

00:30:24.000 This is why they're homeless. 0.97

00:30:25.000 Not because they're mentally ill, which they all are. 0.68

00:30:27.000 And this is what really pisses me off because I've worked for homeless shelters before.

00:30:31.000 I have dealt with the issue of the homeless.

00:30:35.000 And guess what?

00:30:36.000 Why aren't these homeless people in shelters?

00:30:39.000 Why aren't they in homes?

00:30:39.000 Why aren't they working?

00:30:40.000 They don't want to be.

00:30:42.000 And this is exactly what my experience was.

00:30:44.000 It's the experience of the people that I worked with.

00:30:46.000 They'd say, you go up to one of these individuals and you say, how would you like to have a room and board?

00:30:50.000 And the only, there's like minor restrictions.

00:30:52.000 You can't do drugs.

00:30:53.000 They're like, no, never going to happen.

00:30:55.000 They want to be out on the streets.

00:30:56.000 These people are often content with having their, you know, little, their tent and their mattress, where they can go under the bridge and do whatever they want, do drugs, or they're incapable of supporting themselves.

00:31:08.000 But of course, the left says, it's an issue of, I love the line, they say, did you know that there are more empty houses than homeless?

00:31:15.000 And I'm like, sure, but I mean, if you put a mentally unstable individual who's struggling to wash themselves and work into a house, It's just going to fall apart around them. 0.97

00:31:23.000 It's not going to improve their life.

00:31:24.000 You're basically saying you want to hide the problem.

00:31:26.000 But Democrats will deny that it's a mental illness or drug problem.

00:31:29.000 They literally will deny it.

00:31:30.000 Right.

00:31:31.000 They'll say, no, no, no, that's a small minority.

00:31:32.000 This is what they literally tell you.

00:31:33.000 It's a small minority of people.

00:31:35.000 By the way, they all based it on this one study was done at UCLA.

00:31:38.000 And the study, I looked into how they did the study.

00:31:41.000 How was the study accomplished? 0.92

00:31:42.000 They literally walked up to homeless people and they said, are you mentally ill? 0.54

00:31:46.000 No. 0.86

00:31:47.000 And they put down, no, I'm not kidding.

00:31:48.000 That's how the study was done.

00:31:49.000 And they quote that study all day long.

00:31:51.000 Yeah, well, I walked up to a homeless guy, and he had a bottle of red wine, and he was just chugging from it, and I was like, you doing okay, man?

00:31:58.000 And he went, Saturday morning!

00:32:01.000 Or something like, just muttered and muttered and said nonsensical words, his face was beet red, and I was like, I don't know how you help this guy.

00:32:08.000 If he can't communicate with you, and I mean- But was it either Saturday or the morning?

00:32:12.000 It wasn't.

00:32:13.000 I was hoping it was one or the other.

00:32:15.000 It was a weekday, it was like a Wednesday, and we were like, we want to try and figure out how we can help these guys.

00:32:20.000 And don't get me wrong, I've met homeless people who are totally of sound mind, who are in hard circumstances, but the issues with those guys is they take help almost immediately.

00:32:28.000 You know, I told the story of a guy I met who was older and he became homeless because he lost his job.

00:32:31.000 These guys tend to accept the help instantly, go to the shelter, and then they're back on their feet very, very quickly.

00:32:37.000 You know, if someone finds themselves homeless, holding up a sign... They're not chronically homeless.

00:32:41.000 Right.

00:32:41.000 And then, you know, were we to go up to someone and say, hey, you really do want a job?

00:32:44.000 You want to get off the streets?

00:32:45.000 Be like, please help me.

00:32:46.000 Yes.

00:32:47.000 It's problem solved.

00:32:48.000 But the overall majority were people who were just like, stay away from me.

00:32:52.000 And then they would go between cars and just take a dumper in the middle of the street.

00:32:54.000 There is a solution.

00:32:55.000 And I thought about it a lot.

00:32:56.000 And the solution is, and you know, look, I'm for individual rights.

00:32:59.000 That's a big part of who I am.

00:33:02.000 I think we have to re-institutionalize people.

00:33:04.000 I think we have to spend money to build hospitals that are warm, loving environments where they can get treatment, and they can get help, and they can get food, and we have to force them.

00:33:16.000 Sorry to interrupt.

00:33:18.000 But how do you think we'll not make the same mistake that happened before?

00:33:21.000 At least the situation, like, the institution degraded to the point where people were getting abused pretty regularly.

00:33:26.000 I don't know, I wasn't there, but my parents both were.

00:33:28.000 Better tech!

00:33:29.000 Well, right, I mean, you know, the opportunities now to have better oversight, better facilities, look at the way prisons have changed in their construction and how inmates are, you know, able to be Cared for and observed with fewer staff, more cameras, AI technology, sensor technology, communications technology, different types of displays that you have available.

00:33:54.000 So I think that we're not going to go back to like the 1960s and 70s version of institutions.

00:34:00.000 Yeah, we're not going back to that world.

00:34:02.000 We could do this in a more modernized way.

00:34:05.000 It's a solvable problem.

00:34:07.000 Webcams, if you let people that are in the institution communicate with their families, they won't feel so isolated.

00:34:12.000 That's a big part of it.

00:34:13.000 You can even have somebody like a therapist watching the call, if you want, and they can be taking notes and they know they're being watched.

00:34:18.000 Depending on the diagnoses.

00:34:20.000 Sure.

00:34:20.000 It'd be like a privilege you could earn from good behavior.

00:34:24.000 I think the default should be that you have free communications.

00:34:26.000 I think that should happen in jail too, personally.

00:34:28.000 Free activities, you can come and go from your room as you please.

00:34:31.000 And then depending on the severity of the suffering of the individual, like

00:34:35.000 if they're prone to delusions and then violence, then we say, okay, now we're going to detain you

00:34:41.000 because you're a threat to others. But for a lot of these people who are, let's just say they're

00:34:46.000 not capable of supporting themselves due to a lack of cognitive capabilities.

00:34:52.000 Well, you can come and go from your room as you please, you're a nice individual, you're not causing anyone harm, here's board games, here's food, but you're off the streets, you're not covered in filth, you're not doing drugs, you're not drinking, you're not crapping on the ground, and we're actually trying to help you.

00:35:01.000 What's more humane?

00:35:02.000 I know, it is laughably absurd. 1.00

00:35:04.000 The idea is, leave them out to crap in the streets. 0.99

00:35:08.000 And that's what San Francisco is. 0.99

00:35:09.000 No, these people are not being helped by being left to roam of their own devices and just live in the corner of buildings and in their own waste.

00:35:16.000 It's dangerous for other people too, having to step over those people and if they get hungry, if one guy snaps and he's got a sharp piece of glass on him, you know, you gotta... Or they're just doing drugs, man.

00:35:24.000 You would think it's a non-parsing issue, but the reality is, we were talking about wedge issues before, they use it, they want it, because they use it as a wedge issue to say, look at how horrible our economic system is today.

00:35:36.000 I want to jump to the story.

00:35:37.000 Why wouldn't it work as a wedge issue?

00:35:39.000 As a Florida man, I don't really understand the homelessness thing because we have less of a societal tolerance for it.

00:35:45.000 We just tell people you can't set up encampments.

00:35:49.000 We do what we can as a state to be compassionate, like you say, for those who want help, but you don't see these things in Florida like you see them in LA or New York.

00:35:59.000 I don't understand why the argument isn't more compelling.

00:36:03.000 I'll get these people to leave and quality of life will be better.

00:36:06.000 Is that too simplistic of a political message?

00:36:08.000 We're just shuffling them off somewhere else.

00:36:09.000 I think we have to find a more sustainable solution.

00:36:13.000 I want to ask you guys about this story.

00:36:14.000 This is from the Washington Post from just the other day.

00:36:16.000 Trump hits new poll highs with black and hispanic voters.

00:36:20.000 What to make of it?

00:36:22.000 I love the Washington Post. 1.00

00:36:23.000 I think they're typically full of crap. 0.99

00:36:25.000 They say either former President Donald Trump's standing in the early 2024 polls is inflated, or we are headed for a sizable realignment in how non-white voters cast their ballots. 0.99

00:36:35.000 Multiple polls in recent weeks have shown Trump performing historically well among black and Hispanic voters in head-to-head matchups with Biden, helping put him neck-and-neck with Biden in a way he rarely was during the 2020 matchup.

00:36:46.000 So my question is, you guys, is it true?

00:36:49.000 And if so, why?

00:36:51.000 Working-class blacks and Hispanics probably are getting hammered by inflation more than yuppie whites, right? 0.99

00:36:57.000 Yeah. 0.60

00:36:58.000 Affluent white female liberals probably aren't dealing with the cost of a family meal at a restaurant. 1.00

00:37:03.000 Yeah, when the cost of a facial goes up, it's probably less impactful to the family budget than when you see prices rising at the grocery store or the gas station.

00:37:15.000 I think.

00:37:15.000 First of all, it absolutely is true.

00:37:18.000 All the polls show it.

00:37:19.000 They've shown it consistently.

00:37:21.000 It's both tactically true and strategically true, and I'll tell you what I mean by that.

00:37:25.000 It's tactically true in the sense of, yes, they go day-to-day, I'm paying more, my life is not better now than it was four years ago.

00:37:32.000 From a tactical perspective, they absolutely say we need to see a change.

00:37:36.000 Strategically, what I mean by that is, first of all, Hispanic people and Black people are just generally culturally more conservative.

00:37:43.000 They always have been.

00:37:45.000 They haven't voted that way because the Democrats sold them, you know, magic beans and said, look, we'll give you a few dollars and for that you'll vote for us.

00:37:53.000 And frankly, they bought into it.

00:37:56.000 I think they're now coming around saying, you know, first of all, A, it has not helped me, and B, all these cultural issues that I'm against are another part of the Democratic Party that I've been supporting.

00:38:06.000 I think the more we see these issues, like, you know, when people see the radical trans agenda and they laugh, they go, what does that even mean?

00:38:12.000 What that means is pretty simple stuff.

00:38:14.000 Like, look, I don't want to see a child getting medically transitioning, right? 1.00

00:38:20.000 I don't want to see a kid being taken away from their parents.

00:38:22.000 I don't want to see a man running against females or swimming against females. 0.93

00:38:27.000 Like, that's what we're talking about.

00:38:28.000 Simple stuff.

00:38:29.000 Have you spoken with anybody?

00:38:31.000 I know you're working on this stuff.

00:38:32.000 You do a lot of Man in the Street stuff.

00:38:33.000 Have you done any work around this yet?

00:38:35.000 Yes.

00:38:36.000 So are you finding these cultural issues are coming out in the conversations?

00:38:39.000 I did a video, which I haven't released yet, but I'll just...

00:38:44.000 Spoiler alert!

00:38:45.000 So I went to a black community college in LA, right?

00:38:50.000 All young, educated black kids.

00:38:53.000 And I said, let's play a game.

00:38:55.000 I said, first of all, how do you identify politically?

00:38:57.000 And every single one said Democrat, right?

00:38:59.000 Without exception, every single one.

00:39:00.000 They're young, they're educated.

00:39:02.000 And then I said, OK, we're going to play a game.

00:39:04.000 I'm going to name the top 10 issues facing our country today.

00:39:07.000 It was trans, taxes, the police, the border, all the issues you think we talk about.

00:39:12.000 I'm going to say I'm going to give you the position of each party, but not tell you which party is which.

00:39:16.000 And now you tell me which position you resonate with the most.

00:39:20.000 Out of the 25 kids I talked to, not a single one resonated a majority Democrat.

00:39:25.000 They were all majority Republican.

00:39:28.000 Because the issues that they care about, they just don't know!

00:39:31.000 They don't!

00:39:31.000 They were shocked to see!

00:39:33.000 Give us the issue that would be the biggest surprise where they aligned Republican.

00:39:38.000 Oh, the biggest one was on giving money to their community.

00:39:47.000 I think we're talking about spending money.

00:39:49.000 Like reparations and stuff?

00:39:50.000 No, no, no.

00:39:51.000 I'm just talking about just handouts in general.

00:39:52.000 Yeah, welfare and entitlements.

00:39:54.000 By the way, that is the modern incarnation of reparations.

00:39:59.000 Like, to go and take these programs that were broadly available and then to put sort of a lens of critical race theory or, you know, directing those money to non-white areas, like, that is the modern day reparations that's happening now.

00:40:13.000 But you say that's, you don't think that's a winning message?

00:40:15.000 No, I mean, it really isn't.

00:40:17.000 Like, I said, look, if you see there has to be an increase in taxes to pay for more welfare benefits, they go, I don't want that.

00:40:23.000 Don't want it.

00:40:24.000 And when I asked about it, they're not politically voting, they're socially voting.

00:40:28.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 Is it social or cultural?

00:40:32.000 It's political inheritance.

00:40:38.000 Look, my parents did it, my grandparents did it, and there's also an association, frankly, Republicanism and white. 0.69

00:40:44.000 There's all this cultural baggage that they have, but if you break down the issues in the black community, This is what you get, right?

00:40:53.000 And the Hispanic community, by the way, I think that having their open border policy, I know that ultimately, what was the goal of the Democratic Party?

00:41:00.000 They wanted to change the browning of America. 1.00

00:41:03.000 They thought that would lock in a Democratic majority for generations.

00:41:06.000 And they said that on MSNBC and all these networks, and then it was called a conspiracy theory.

00:41:10.000 Or white replacement theory, or racism.

00:41:13.000 But in reality, this is probably one of the greatest geopolitical mistakes the Democratic Party has ever made, because Hispanics Look, they're coming here, and while I think obviously we need to shut down the border for any illegal immigrants, the reality is, the people who are coming here are coming from a place, they're running away from what? 1.00

00:41:31.000 Communism?

00:41:32.000 Socialism?

00:41:33.000 Things that have destroyed their party.

00:41:34.000 They're not looking to replicate that here.

00:41:37.000 There's a big Florida energy around that.

00:41:39.000 There are a lot of Hispanic voters in Florida that are saying, what the Democrats talk about sounds a lot like what my parents and grandparents said they fled from, and we don't want that here. 0.98

00:41:49.000 Let me propose an alternate theory, just for the sake of debate.

00:41:54.000 What if it's just that Trump's the one that's most persecuted?

00:41:57.000 What if you have a lot of African-American males who feel like they are subject to persecution by the white man, and they see Trump getting persecuted by a lot of white men, and they identify with that, and they're like, you know what?

00:42:09.000 They're chasing that guy.

00:42:10.000 I have some sympathy for him.

00:42:13.000 I have some desire to be associated- The billionaire white guy?

00:42:17.000 It's an argument.

00:42:20.000 I would say it's fair to say that there's probably some of that.

00:42:23.000 I don't think it's a lot.

00:42:24.000 I think there's also a lot of, you know, look man, there are people who like gold chains and gold toilets and Donald Trump is the king of the golden toilet.

00:42:34.000 But he was that in the last election.

00:42:35.000 What you're seeing in this story is that it's rising.

00:42:39.000 Honestly, that would explain more Trump 2016, because he was kind of a Trump-type, right?

00:42:44.000 A rap icon, you know, Mac Miller wrote the Trump song, and now I think he is known basically more by his time as president and these political prosecutions.

00:42:59.000 You know why?

00:43:00.000 Let's say it's true. 0.89

00:43:02.000 The reason why I don't like the argument is because It just drives me insane every time Trump gets in front of a microphone and he talks about the persecution complex.

00:43:14.000 I've said it a million times, we all know this, the only words out of his mouth have to be inflation and immigration.

00:43:21.000 That's it!

00:43:22.000 That's it!

00:43:23.000 That is never going to happen.

00:43:25.000 It's a fever dream, I get it.

00:43:28.000 If he just made a video on a rant where it was like a very, you know, I got a friend and they can't afford to buy, they go to the grocery store and they're spending three, four hundred bucks a week, everyone's gonna hear that.

00:43:40.000 Those are the viral TikTok memes, where you got these 25 year olds being like, here's what we bought a year ago, here's what we bought today.

00:43:46.000 And it's like, there's nothing left.

00:43:48.000 There are young people that are upset about this, and Biden's not talking about it.

00:43:52.000 He's praising Bidenomics!

00:43:53.000 In a way, it's sort of a tailwind for us, because people feel it every day, you almost don't have to talk about it.

00:44:01.000 You know what people don't feel every day?

00:44:03.000 The debt.

00:44:04.000 Yep.

00:44:04.000 You know, so you kind of have to talk about it to get people to think about it, but I mean, here... Oh, that's the hardest thing, man.

00:44:11.000 No one pays attention to the spending bill for the most part.

00:44:13.000 No one pays attention to how the government is spending money and what that means for your savings.

00:44:18.000 They don't understand why interest rates are going up or how it affects them.

00:44:21.000 It's just day-to-day, but then one day they're like, whoa, why is my milk 35 cents more?

00:44:26.000 And then some people might be like, it's only 35 cents, right?

00:44:28.000 And then within a month or two months, now it's a dollar.

00:44:31.000 And it's all related.

00:44:33.000 If the government is just raising the debt limit and spending money that doesn't exist or printing it or creating it or fractional reserving it or whatever, then it's devaluing all the currency everyone else has, it's driving up prices, and then people, they wonder why it's happening.

00:44:45.000 But the one thing I can say is, I don't think it matters who's in office when the economy is bad.

00:44:50.000 All that matters is the economy is bad.

00:44:52.000 You can make all the political arguments in the world for what Biden supports and doesn't support.

00:44:55.000 And he put his name on it! 1.00

00:44:56.000 The idiot put his name on it! 1.00

00:44:58.000 He branded this economic disaster his own! 1.00

00:45:03.000 Who the hell's advising this guy?

00:45:05.000 I couldn't believe it! 0.95

00:45:06.000 Leave it! 1.00

00:45:06.000 It was shocking! 1.00

00:45:07.000 He's like, he's trying to hand us the election and we're doing our best to push it back to him.

00:45:11.000 Yeah.

00:45:11.000 It drives me nuts!

00:45:12.000 It is ripe for the taking.

00:45:14.000 Let me ask you a quick, can I ask you a question?

00:45:15.000 Please.

00:45:15.000 Okay.

00:45:16.000 Do you think the Democrats, the persecution with Trump and this pushing of Trump was in order to get him the nomination?

00:45:25.000 Or do you think they're that smart and devious?

00:45:28.000 They thought, look, the more we do this, the more we get Ami Horowitz, who might not necessarily support Trump speaking out publicly for him, because it pisses him off.

00:45:35.000 Do you think they're that smart?

00:45:36.000 I don't. 0.95

00:45:37.000 I think that there's just a bloodlust with him that will not go away until he is dead.

00:45:43.000 And he will sort of forever be challenged.

00:45:48.000 in a manner of speaking.

00:45:49.000 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Had he gone away and, you know, played golf at Mar-a-Lago and not re-entered

00:45:55.000 politics, it probably would have been a lower level persecution, you know, making sure he

00:45:59.000 could never get financing for business deals, making sure he could never re-engage on social

00:46:05.000 media platforms. But because he was running again, I think there was a real bloodlust for

00:46:12.000 utilization of criminal law.

00:46:13.000 Well, he is a comic book villain for them to fundraise off of.

00:46:18.000 Well, he's also the one thing that unifies their coalition.

00:46:22.000 Like, what is the Democratic coalition without Donald Trump?

00:46:24.000 Nothing.

00:46:24.000 Like, they need him because, in a weird way, Trump and Biden kind of need each other, right?

00:46:30.000 Because Trump is able to contrast directly with Biden on the economy, whereas if you get a Gavin Newsom, it's just, you know, it's the art of the imagination and the possible, whereas Biden you have a clear record to run against.

00:46:42.000 And I think Biden needs Trump because the central argument for Joe Biden's candidacy is, well, I'm the one guy who's beaten Trump.

00:46:50.000 I think Joe Biden's going to drop out.

00:46:52.000 So walk me through what you think is the time frame on that and the replacement strategy.

00:46:57.000 So I don't know, what I should say is I think there is a high probability, whatever that number may be, that Biden is not the nominee in 2024.

00:47:04.000 For health reasons?

00:47:05.000 Yes, health reasons.

00:47:06.000 Absolutely health reasons.

00:47:13.000 Now, I don't know, because it would seem, with all forward-facing information and everything from the news, Joe Biden is going to run again.

00:47:21.000 But they know he can't win.

00:47:23.000 What is it, 70-some-odd percent of Democrats in all of these polls say he's too old.

00:47:27.000 Dude, nobody's running against him.

00:47:29.000 There's two ways to run for office, unopposed and terrified, and Joe Biden is functionally unopposed.

00:47:33.000 Look, they've got to bring in Newsom.

00:47:38.000 Newsom is substantially better for Democrats than Joe Biden is.

00:47:41.000 Joe Biden recently, there was a CBS report, I think it said, that he's concerned he won't live long enough, that Hunter Biden's legal troubles will persist, and he may die soon.

00:47:50.000 That's his legal troubles are going to go on for another 40 years.

00:47:53.000 For sure.

00:47:54.000 But then you had Washington Post run a story where they said a Democrat in Ohio outright claimed Joe Biden's death is imminent because of his old age.

00:48:01.000 So when you've got local Democrats all saying this guy's not going to last much longer, they certainly have to keep him away from bicycles.

00:48:10.000 He fell off one and stares.

00:48:11.000 But I mean, you've got just recently speaking to the U.N.

00:48:14.000 when he said our institutions and we're just like, what did he say?

00:48:20.000 It may be the case that Democrats are just too weak to make the required statement of everyone who is in it, like all Democrat voters.

00:48:31.000 We all know you are concerned about Biden's health and we are formally asking Joe Biden to step back and allow a new candidate to stand who will have a primary.

00:48:38.000 They need to do that.

00:48:39.000 I just can't imagine With them knowing all of this, with all of the corporate press saying this, and them even calling, now CNN ran a big segment about Joe Biden being a liar.

00:48:51.000 I'm like, these signs don't indicate a Joe Biden 2024, they indicate not a Joe Biden 2024.

00:48:56.000 I'll tell you what the problem is though.

00:48:57.000 They have a Kamala Harris problem. 0.98

00:48:59.000 It's a significant problem.

00:49:00.000 It's true!

00:49:01.000 The problem is, and I don't think it's the way you think I'm going to say it, the Kamala Harris problem is That's exactly right.

00:49:09.000 Can't skip her over.

00:49:11.000 Especially a white guy? 0.69

00:49:13.000 No way.

00:49:14.000 There is a solution, though.

00:49:17.000 AOC?

00:49:17.000 Michelle Obama.

00:49:18.000 Oh, you're right.

00:49:19.000 Will she know?

00:49:20.000 I mean, she says no.

00:49:21.000 I mean, you may have more insight than I do.

00:49:23.000 We don't hang out, me and Michelle.

00:49:25.000 I was shocked to hear that.

00:49:25.000 I'm surprised.

00:49:26.000 I'm sorry.

00:49:27.000 I was misinformed.

00:49:29.000 I think if she decided that she wanted to enter the fray, I think not only will she win the nomination, she wins the election.

00:49:36.000 By the way, probably without even contesting a primary or general, because she would simply walk into the convention, Joe Biden would have an instant medical need to depart, and at the convention it would be viewed as this kind of dramatic, unifying, electric moment.

00:49:51.000 She would walk in, the Michelle Obama banners would go up, and that would be a far more formidable opponent than Joe Biden. 0.71

00:49:58.000 If Michelle Obama decided to run, I wouldn't be surprised if Joe Biden said, You know, guys, I'm getting a little old for this, and no one's better than Michelle.

00:50:09.000 I worked with her.

00:50:10.000 You have my word.

00:50:11.000 That could work.

00:50:12.000 Biden bowing out with Michelle coming in doesn't negatively impact on that.

00:50:16.000 But what evidence suggests she wants the job?

00:50:18.000 No, it doesn't.

00:50:20.000 And I'm not convinced that it will be Michelle.

00:50:22.000 I think Gavin Newsom.

00:50:24.000 So my advice to the deep state... You would agree that Michelle Obama would be a tougher general election candidate to defeat than Gavin Newsom, right?

00:50:32.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:33.000 I think if Michelle Obama runs, she wins.

00:50:35.000 I don't know how... Barack's dinner right behind her on the stage?

00:50:38.000 There are some challenges, and I will stress this, okay?

00:50:41.000 My opinions change.

00:50:42.000 I'm not saying it's going to be a landslide or anything for Michelle Obama.

00:50:45.000 I'm saying that it would be very, very difficult to overcome someone who doesn't have the negatives of Barack, because she wasn't the one bombing kids, and isn't as active in politics.

00:50:56.000 It's a clean slate, high-profile celebrity personality.

00:50:59.000 However, didn't she push the fitness thing and then get thick? 1.00

00:51:05.000 Well, what happened was she was pushing the Let's Move campaign, which was an anti-sugar move. 0.97

00:51:08.000 And then they got in and the big sugar came to her and they're like, why don't you make it an exercise campaign, Michelle? 0.98

00:51:12.000 And she was like, okay.

00:51:14.000 And then she changed tone to an exercise thing.

00:51:16.000 It was about sugar.

00:51:17.000 It was about getting rid of the sugar industry.

00:51:19.000 I don't see that as being material to a modern election.

00:51:24.000 I mean, what's going to happen?

00:51:25.000 Trump's going to come out and be like, remember when she was giving those kids sugar and they

00:51:28.000 were fat and whatever?

00:51:29.000 And they're going to be like, who cares?

00:51:30.000 Who cares?

00:51:31.000 So, but here's what I would say.

00:51:33.000 I think on celebrity status in that respect, I don't know what Trump can do to beat her. 0.63

00:51:39.000 Well, I shouldn't say that.

00:51:40.000 I'm probably being a little bit too hyperbolic.

00:51:42.000 What I mean is, there is a possibility that the economy is just too bad.

00:51:46.000 And there's a lot of people who are like, I'm sick of the wokeness.

00:51:48.000 Michelle Obama would have to embrace the progressive left, which is tanking Democrats and the left right now. 0.85

00:51:53.000 If you look at Bud Light and Target and Disney and all these companies.

00:51:56.000 Disney losing, what, like billions of dollars or whatever on their last 10 releases.

00:52:00.000 So there's real reason to believe that the cultural moves made by the Democrats are toxic for the Democratic Party.

00:52:06.000 And that's Trump's advantage right now.

00:52:08.000 Can you just imagine being in the room when they tell Kamala Harris that Michelle Obama is entering the race?

00:52:15.000 Her head will explode. 0.99

00:52:17.000 I think she wants it. 0.96

00:52:18.000 I don't think so.

00:52:19.000 I believe that Kamala checks Joe Biden's pulse every time they shake hands.

00:52:23.000 Dude, I have never seen somebody more politically craven.

00:52:28.000 She was willing to date Willie Brown to move up!

00:52:30.000 What do you mean, that's not easy?

00:52:32.000 Well, let me give you my hypothetical.

00:52:34.000 So our viewers all know this one, but here's my hypothetical.

00:52:37.000 This is my advice to the deep state, right?

00:52:39.000 Obviously Joe Biden's a liability for the Democratic Party.

00:52:42.000 The establishment, the DNC, powerful interests, they need to find a way to get a better candidate.

00:52:47.000 So my imagined scenario, conspiracy theory, is that Joe Biden is doing a campaign rally in California.

00:52:55.000 has a medical episode, grasps his chest, stumbles, falls, Gavin Newsom runs out, saves the day.

00:53:02.000 You think it's too late to do that?

00:53:04.000 A, it's too late, and B, Gavin Newsom was almost recalled in his own state.

00:53:08.000 That's true.

00:53:09.000 He smoked that recall!

00:53:10.000 No, no, no.

00:53:14.000 Yes and no.

00:53:15.000 At the end he did, but I'll tell you what happened.

00:53:17.000 He was losing that recall.

00:53:19.000 What happened was that Larry Elder was actually making strides.

00:53:25.000 After Larry Elder pulled at the top of the bumper, he was literally about to win that, and then the big money was the tech money that was sitting on the sidelines.

00:53:34.000 The big tech money said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:53:36.000 You're telling me that Larry Elder might be a replacement?

00:53:39.000 Then the tech money flowed in and that's when his numbers changed.

00:53:42.000 He was going to lose that recall until the tech bros decided, we're going to weigh in.

00:53:47.000 However, listen, you are what your record says you are.

00:53:52.000 This guy beat a recall, beat it massively in an off-year election when he locked down Californians.

00:53:59.000 Now, I'm married to a Californian, and I know this about them.

00:54:02.000 They do not like to be locked down.

00:54:04.000 Like, you take someone from Minnesota, and you lock them down, they're locked down, like, eight, nine months of the year anyway.

00:54:10.000 Right?

00:54:10.000 So it's not that big a deal.

00:54:11.000 They got, like, cool indoor things to do.

00:54:13.000 You take these Californians who, like, are used to eating outside and, like, doing all these things, and you tell them that they're locked down, and these people go crazy, and they showed up and voted for Gavin Newsom anyway.

00:54:24.000 There are restaurants in Southern California that are just outside.

00:54:27.000 There's, like, no roof because the weather's always so nice.

00:54:31.000 How many food trucks, you know?

00:54:31.000 I don't know.

00:54:33.000 As somebody from California, I spent half my time in California during the lockdown.

00:54:37.000 Dude, they were sheep.

00:54:40.000 The Californians were sheep.

00:54:41.000 They did whatever they were told to do with the lockdown.

00:54:45.000 Do you want me to hike outside?

00:54:48.000 I'm not going to hike outside.

00:54:49.000 Can't surf?

00:54:50.000 Not going to surf.

00:54:51.000 I can't tell you the stories I had.

00:54:53.000 I remember I was walking down the street one time in LA and I wasn't wearing a mask outside because I refused to wear a mask outside.

00:55:00.000 Look, inside people want to wear a mask, I'll wear one.

00:55:02.000 Outside, I just refused to do it.

00:55:04.000 I heard something behind me.

00:55:06.000 I heard Murderer! 0.68

00:55:08.000 Murderer!

00:55:09.000 I'm like, where?

00:55:09.000 What?

00:55:10.000 What the hell's going on? 0.99

00:55:10.000 Holy crap! 0.99

00:55:11.000 What's going on? 0.99

00:55:12.000 I see she's Facebook, she's like Instagram-living me.

00:55:14.000 She's like, you're killing people by walking around without a mask!

00:55:19.000 Excuse me, I can't, I can't hear you.

00:55:23.000 I can't read your lips.

00:55:24.000 I don't know.

00:55:25.000 Ultimately, the only thing that seems to make sense is that the corporate press and the Democrats are outright admitting Biden can't win.

00:55:33.000 Well, this is my question because I think that Trump, and this is something that comes up on the show, and God forbid this happens, I hope it doesn't, but that he's taken off the ballot in at least one state.

00:55:41.000 Because some guy, somebody in some state's like, no, he committed a crime, I don't want him on.

00:55:45.000 Then maybe they'll legislate it, maybe they'll go take it to the Supreme Court, it'll get overturned, but it'll be too late by that point.

00:55:50.000 Because he's only on the ballot in 49 states, he can't win.

00:55:53.000 It's a lost cause.

00:55:54.000 I'm pointing at Vivek, it's like, at least there's somebody.

00:55:58.000 I think, come October next year, there's going to be one state or some jurisdiction that's got ballots without Trump on them.

00:56:08.000 There's no way that's going to survive review by the Federal Supreme Court.

00:56:12.000 We have a system of injunctions and appeals that will resolve that quick enough.

00:56:18.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:56:19.000 Look what happens in Arizona.

00:56:22.000 On election day, you get 19-inch ballots on 20-inch paper or whatever, the machines get jammed up, and it happens.

00:56:28.000 It's going to be election day, people are going to go to the polling locations, and polling locations are going to have ballots where Trump's name is smudged, removed, or whatever, Well, guess what we're gonna need this time that we didn't have last time?

00:56:39.000 A real legal strategy.

00:56:40.000 Like, Ronald McDaniel did such a bad job as the head of the RNC, and frankly, I wish he was not leading that organization currently, but they were all interested in promotion and brand building, but there's a certain amount of, like, lawyering and being ready to get those injunctions right then.

00:56:56.000 Because the key difference is, once you get polluted ballots intermingled with non-polluted ballots, you're never going to have any judge in the country that's going to exercise jurisdiction to go and unwind that.

00:57:07.000 So let's say, in Arizona, on election day 2024, not the early votes, not the mail-in votes, just the in-person votes, Trump's name is missing.

00:57:18.000 You get your injunction filed.

00:57:19.000 What do they do?

00:57:20.000 Do they stop the election?

00:57:21.000 You go in immediately and join the election.

00:57:21.000 Yes.

00:57:23.000 You get a court to say that you are disenfranchising those voters at that exact time and the election must stop.

00:57:30.000 My concern is based on what we've seen with Kerry Lake in particular with us finding out immediately the bouts were bunk.

00:57:37.000 Like the bouts were wrong and did not work.

00:57:40.000 Immediately.

00:57:41.000 And then the judges are like, nah.

00:57:42.000 And now we're a year later, and she's winning these cases.

00:57:48.000 They ruled that signature verification was being done illegally.

00:57:50.000 Right, but she's not winning on the remedies. 1.00

00:57:52.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:57:53.000 What I'm saying is, if you do not obtain immediate relief, not file a lawsuit, you have to go and get relief on these emergencies.

00:58:00.000 What's the relief?

00:58:01.000 You have to stop the election.

00:58:03.000 That's a big ask of a judge, and I don't think they're going to do it.

00:58:07.000 Yeah, but if you don't have ballots with someone's name on it, you're presenting a really severe hypothesis.

00:58:12.000 With Carrie Lake, I love Carrie Lake.

00:58:13.000 I think more people intended to vote for Carrie Lake than intended to vote for Katie Hobbs, and it's a great travesty she's not the governor, but there were also some self-inflicted wounds there.

00:58:22.000 You know when I'm willing to take someone's vote, Anytime they're willing to give it to me.

00:58:26.000 And when you drive your voters to one particular day and one particular vote method, you invite a vulnerability.

00:58:34.000 So the concern I have, I suppose, is it's not so simple as to say, we need an injunction on this election right now because Trump's name's on the ballot, and then get immediate relief.

00:58:44.000 A few problems.

00:58:45.000 How could there be immediate relief?

00:58:46.000 We need to stop the election, postpone it until- Get an injunction immediately.

00:58:49.000 Go walk to the courthouse.

00:58:50.000 There's a duty judge that's on So this means the election will have to take place a week from now after we reprint the ballots and get them fixed.

00:58:55.000 However, the second thing is, and I don't know if it'll be Arizona that does this, or I think there's a possibility it happens, the Secretary of State then says, we legally and legitimately took his name off the ballot under the 14th Amendment, so before you get your injunction, we get a chance to argue why we did it.

00:59:10.000 Sure, well that's an injunction hearing.

00:59:12.000 They'll have like an hour to argue it.

00:59:14.000 But if they already print the ballots, you'll be arguing day of, during the election, and the judge will have to say, I nullify today's results?

00:59:23.000 It is within the power of a court to provide that relief in real time without a deleterious delay.

00:59:28.000 But aren't you arguing something?

00:59:29.000 I mean, if this was going to go down, This would already have been done before the election.

00:59:35.000 I don't think the thing where it's going to be a surprise, where the Attorney General of a state is going to be all of a sudden, on day of election, take the name off, I think it's going to be done beforehand.

00:59:46.000 The ballots were printed wrong.

00:59:48.000 The files were changed at hundreds of locations.

00:59:51.000 I don't know how that's possible unless someone intentionally goes and manually changes the setting.

00:59:57.000 And I think that was the determination that all of these, it was a couple hundred voting machine locations had the wrong ballots for the wrong machines.

01:00:05.000 I'm sort of arguing the 14th amendment argument that they're making.

01:00:07.000 You're not arguing they're taking him off the ballot because he shouldn't qualify to run for president?

01:00:11.000 What I'm saying is, if they can create the bad ballots and have them ready on election day without anyone knowing, they certainly can do the same thing and say, I didn't need to inform you that there was a 14th Amendment determination.

01:00:11.000 I am.

01:00:23.000 I think it would be really, really hard to...

01:00:25.000 Maintain the results of an election like that, where someone unilaterally, without notice, decides they're going to remove a candidate's name from the ballot.

01:00:32.000 I agree, but in Arizona they did this.

01:00:34.000 They didn't unilaterally remove a candidate's name.

01:00:37.000 But the ballots did not work in the machines they were made for, and that was done unilaterally, at hundreds of locations, disenfranchising voters, and the only argument they have In favor of Hobbes was, oh, but don't worry, nobody lost their vote because of it.

01:00:52.000 And that's a nebulous argument.

01:00:54.000 You did not count, we can't track those numbers.

01:00:56.000 The vote was busted in Arizona.

01:01:00.000 You don't think there's going to be one state that does?

01:01:02.000 Okay, let's say it's not even taking Trump's name off the ballot.

01:01:04.000 I don't think so.

01:01:04.000 Let's say New Hampshire, the ballots are printed on the wrong size.

01:01:09.000 Whoopsie-daisy.

01:01:10.000 And then they're going to say, well, too bad.

01:01:12.000 You know, we believe nobody was disenfranchised from this.

01:01:14.000 Case closed.

01:01:15.000 And the question is, and I'll throw it to Texas v Pennsylvania in 2020.

01:01:18.000 I was talking about this earlier.

01:01:20.000 It was the correct decision of Ken Paxton to file the suit.

01:01:23.000 It was the correct decision of Alito and Thomas to say the Supreme Court should hear this case.

01:01:29.000 But the rest of the justices, in my view, were probably sitting there being like, I'm not going to be responsible for a contingent election.

01:01:38.000 There's gonna... I'm willing to believe.

01:01:40.000 That's exactly right.

01:01:41.000 Right, a bunch of these judges, when it came to 2020, it's not a question of fraud.

01:01:46.000 I've never been a big fan of like, oh, the ballots printed in China Dominion.

01:01:49.000 The issue was, Texas argued that four key states altered their election rules outside of a legislature through executives or through the judiciary and that is not constitutionally allowed and there needs to be a review on this.

01:02:02.000 That is true and correct if you read the constitution.

01:02:05.000 The state legislatures have ultimate say.

01:02:07.000 And some of these legislatures were actually asking Trump and asking states, hey, we did not agree to these terms with universal mail-in voting, etc.

01:02:14.000 Pennsylvania, the GOP teamed up and they made these changes.

01:02:14.000 Some did.

01:02:17.000 But the judges just would not They throw out all these things on standing so the merits are never even heard.

01:02:24.000 My fear for 2024?

01:02:26.000 I don't know how we have... Let me pause, I'll put it this way.

01:02:29.000 Stephen Marsh, I reference this guy a lot, he wrote a book, I think he wrote it with Andrew Yang, called The Last Election.

01:02:34.000 And I think they're making the argument that 2024 could be the last election.

01:02:38.000 But the argument that he's made on all these issues would actually indicate that 2020 was the last election.

01:02:44.000 However, based on the perspective of Trump supporters, 2016 was the last election.

01:02:47.000 Full stop!

01:02:48.000 Democrats think Russia interfered to get Trump elected, which means 2012 was the last real election we ever had!

01:02:53.000 Look, I'll tell you my issue with all these arguments, and it's another issue I have with Trump is that he keeps talking about, fine, the election was stolen, the election was stolen.

01:03:04.000 Without having a solution, right?

01:03:07.000 Which means that, what's to stop the election being stolen again?

01:03:10.000 Which, look, when this whole thing is gonna come out to turnout, right?

01:03:13.000 At the end of the day, what's gonna determine who's gonna win?

01:03:15.000 It's gonna be turnout.

01:03:16.000 And all you're doing, and this is what you did, frankly, with Georgia, right?

01:03:20.000 You were just depressing turnout.

01:03:23.000 And that's why we lost Georgia, it's why we lost the Senate, and I think it's- We also had terrible candidates in Georgia.

01:03:29.000 Well, I think the fraud narrative helped Democrats win.

01:03:33.000 One of them in particular was terrible.

01:03:37.000 Look, this is a huge issue that I will never... I can't look at Trump and say, you know, I take your apology.

01:03:45.000 He lost the Senate because he pushed people not to vote for the Senate candidates.

01:03:49.000 We had a Democrat politician on the Culture Warshow Friday mornings who said, I ran ads of Trump's statements To disenfranchise Republican voters?

01:03:59.000 Of course!

01:04:00.000 You have to give Georgia credit because their legislature came into session and they do have better signature verification laws.

01:04:07.000 They do have better ballot custody laws.

01:04:09.000 It's not perfect.

01:04:10.000 I don't love the way things are run in Fulton and DeKalb County, but there's at least more opportunity for state lawmakers to put those local jurisdictions into some sort of legal receivership when they start breaking the law.

01:04:22.000 So there's been some progress in Georgia.

01:04:24.000 We should champion that.

01:04:25.000 I would not be surprised if in 2024 you have in Republican swing state areas, whoops, the ballots were smudged for Joe Biden, and then in Democrat areas, whoops, the ballots were smudged for Trump, something happening procedurally because If you look at Arizona as the key example of this with Kerry Lake, I don't understand how any judge could reasonably say that election is sound when the ballots were wrong.

01:04:51.000 Like, I'm sorry, if I was a judge and someone came to me and said, hey, the wrong ballots were printed, I'd be like, oh wow, we better have a new election.

01:04:57.000 No questions asked.

01:04:58.000 Out, out, out.

01:04:58.000 Done.

01:05:00.000 You look at that, and my concern now is, why would Republicans not play the same game?

01:05:04.000 And say, okay, in the jurisdictions we have more control over with the Secretary of State that we need to win, let's whoopsy-daisy some ballots.

01:05:10.000 And then Democrats will just do the same thing that happened in Arizona and other jurisdictions. 0.56

01:05:13.000 That goes to a very ugly place, my man.

01:05:15.000 I know, I agree.

01:05:16.000 It's already happened.

01:05:16.000 If we can't resolve these differences through elections, then, you know, history tells us that it's a far darker place that people go.

01:05:24.000 I don't like the path of using dirty tactics.

01:05:26.000 I think that what you were saying, Ami, is that, like, if we should offer solutions.

01:05:30.000 Like, yeah, maybe the votes were hacked back in the day.

01:05:32.000 I've got Clinton Eugene Curtis testifying in front of Congress that he built software that flips votes 51-49.

01:05:38.000 Okay, that's on congressional testimony.

01:05:41.000 Knowing that developers can flip votes 51-49 and you don't see it makes me wonder that maybe we should fortify against that.

01:05:48.000 Maybe we should start backing up our votes on a blockchain somewhere.

01:05:51.000 Somewhere that's immutable that we can reference.

01:05:53.000 So we don't have to rely on a private corporation to tell us what our vote tallies were.

01:05:57.000 Let me ask you, Matt, do you think there's any appetite among Democrats or any chance they would support a bill that would make voting machines code open source?

01:06:07.000 Yes, there are Democrats who particularly look at blockchain as a tool that can be used in election integrity.

01:06:15.000 And so, it's the younger ones... Well, not blockchain, I'm just saying... Well, no, blockchain actually... I was answering specifically what Ian was saying, because there are folks who believe that that would be a way to really validate these things and create a standard for the world.

01:06:28.000 The code for these machines needs to be publicly available.

01:06:31.000 I don't know that we can really do that.

01:06:32.000 I don't know that we can go tell someone that they have to make their code open source.

01:06:38.000 Well, I suppose you're right.

01:06:39.000 States need to do it.

01:06:41.000 It's not a federal question.

01:06:42.000 So yeah, I was wrong about that.

01:06:43.000 You know, the other thing is, and this also pissed me off, I think it was Megyn Kelly who was interviewing Trump, and she said, look, the Democrats are ballot harvesting.

01:06:52.000 Will you ballot harvest?

01:06:53.000 There's only one answer to that.

01:06:54.000 The answer is yes.

01:06:55.000 That's the answer.

01:06:56.000 The answer's not, I don't know, I don't think so, because he was upset about harvesting costing the election last time.

01:07:03.000 Which, by the way, totally understand.

01:07:05.000 That's part of his conspiracy I can get on with.

01:07:08.000 That's not a conspiracy.

01:07:09.000 That's what happened.

01:07:11.000 But the only answer is, that's a tactic they're using.

01:07:16.000 It would be political malpractice not to do the same thing.

01:07:19.000 As much as I dislike it, I do dislike it.

01:07:24.000 I give a lot of credit to Charlie Kirk and Turning Point because they have operationalized a lot of young people to get involved in getting folks to make their ballot requests, showing back up when that request is made.

01:07:35.000 Bring a stamp if you have to, tell somebody to put it in the mailbox, get the ballot, put it in the dropbox.

01:07:40.000 I mean, that work is being, we're finally building that infrastructure.

01:07:44.000 It should be the Republican Party doing that. 0.88

01:07:46.000 They have failed, and so it's a group-like turning point.

01:07:50.000 Dude, it's so important that we open up the voting machines so we can see their tallying tactics, because there's no greater threat, in my opinion, to the American way of life than international technocracy.

01:08:00.000 And if people are trying to control our elections on voting machines behind the scenes, like that is...

01:08:07.000 Absolute tyranny.

01:08:09.000 Whether for good or evil, it's tyranny.

01:08:10.000 They have control of our system.

01:08:12.000 It has to stop.

01:08:13.000 Completely correct.

01:08:14.000 You're saying it has to begin with the states?

01:08:16.000 The states run their own elections, so the federal government's not going to regulate what California or Illinois does.

01:08:21.000 And you don't want that.

01:08:22.000 In Florida, it was actually the Democrats who said this technology with the pimpled chads and the dimpled chads after the Bush v. Gore matter, they wanted paper ballots.

01:08:34.000 So now in Florida, anytime there's any funny business where people got concerns about machines or tabulation, there's a requirement for paper ballots, there's a chain of custody for those paper ballots, there are retention requirements for those paper ballots, and it's led to a pretty high-functioning system.

01:08:52.000 Oh, that's good.

01:08:53.000 This is why people gotta vote locally, and too many people look to federal government to solve problems that federal government cannot solve.

01:09:01.000 Can you guys from the federal government issue, like, suggestions to states?

01:09:06.000 Well, here's an idea.

01:09:07.000 Back when school choice was really emerging in the thought space of conservatism, Congress was looking to get involved, but we believed education was primarily a state function.

01:09:20.000 But there is one place that we have exclusive jurisdiction, and it's Washington D.C.

01:09:25.000 And so Congress did D.C.

01:09:27.000 education vouchers, they drove down the cost, they increased the quality, and then that became a model for places like Florida, where we've expanded school choice.

01:09:36.000 So one idea Is that you take whatever is the gold standard for elections on signature verification, election day voting, voter ID, not letting illegal aliens vote, you know... All the Jim Crow stuff? 0.98

01:09:51.000 Yeah, right, apparently.

01:09:53.000 Take all that stuff and say these are the new election laws for Washington, D.C.

01:10:00.000 There you're putting it over an overlay of a primarily Democrat area, but you could model that and see if it was replicated.

01:10:09.000 So like a blockchain backup system with like seven blockchains where everything's... You can go high-tech or low-tech.

01:10:14.000 Are paper ballots better than blockchain?

01:10:15.000 I think it's a reasonable debate, but we could actually design a model system without violating our concepts of federalism.

01:10:22.000 Yeah, I think it would be both paper and backed up on a blockchain, so you could reference the two.

01:10:26.000 Who would have to put that in order?

01:10:28.000 Would it be Congress?

01:10:29.000 Yeah, we have a committee, the House Administration Committee, that has jurisdiction over this, and it's precisely what the chairman told me he's working on.

01:10:35.000 An ideal election integrity bill for Washington, D.C.

01:10:39.000 that we hope would draw favor elsewhere.

01:10:42.000 We gotta talk about the border!

01:10:43.000 So we got this story from the Hill.

01:10:45.000 Biden administration sending 800 new troops to border amid migrant crisis.

01:10:49.000 We also have the Texas governor, Greg Abbott, declaring an invasion.

01:10:54.000 He previously declared an invasion.

01:10:56.000 He was just reiterating that he had declared an invasion.

01:10:58.000 And we recently learned that the city of Eagle Pass, I believe the town, declared an emergency.

01:11:04.000 4,000 migrants in a single day.

01:11:06.000 I got a lot of questions.

01:11:08.000 It does feel perfect political timing, all of a sudden this news is back in place, the election's coming up, and now we're getting big news about this.

01:11:15.000 Why, is this like a legitimate spike that's just happening right now, or has this been going on for the past, you know, two, three years?

01:11:23.000 Go ahead, Ami.

01:11:24.000 I mean, as somebody who's been, who traveled with a number of the caravans come up here.

01:11:29.000 No, it's been going on for a while.

01:11:31.000 And when you ask them, why are you coming up now?

01:11:34.000 They will tell you because Biden is president.

01:11:37.000 This is what they'll tell you.

01:11:39.000 This is what they told me.

01:11:40.000 I mean, this could not be more obvious.

01:11:42.000 I mean, just look at the statistics when Trump was president versus Biden, right?

01:11:46.000 I mean, this is not debatable.

01:11:48.000 Well, they have those shirts that like, what is that?

01:11:50.000 Please let us in Biden or something like that.

01:11:52.000 Yeah.

01:11:52.000 Despite the Democrats living in their alternative reality where they say the border is closed, we've closed the border, right?

01:11:58.000 Isn't that what they say all day long?

01:12:00.000 I reckon.

01:12:01.000 There's a video where it looks like border patrol agents open the gates, let them in, and count them, and then close it.

01:12:06.000 And these are like African migrants coming in that are being welcomed in by U.S.

01:12:11.000 They're not protecting our borders.

01:12:11.000 Border Patrol.

01:12:12.000 They're suing Texas for putting up the buoys!

01:12:15.000 The buoys are down.

01:12:16.000 They've obtained relief.

01:12:18.000 That's right!

01:12:18.000 And on the U.S.

01:12:19.000 side!

01:12:21.000 How dare we?

01:12:22.000 What are we doing here?

01:12:24.000 What are we doing?

01:12:25.000 Look, at the end of the day, they still believe, despite what we've talked about before, where they're making a mistake in terms of how this is going to work out generationally for them, they still think this is the best tactic to lock in generational Democratic votes by letting everybody in I did a video one time where I walked around and I asked the left, I said, is having a border racist?

01:12:48.000 And they all said, yes, it's racist to have a border because you're not allowing brown people into the country.

01:12:55.000 Now, ironically, when I went across the border and I asked the migrants, is it wrong for America to have a border? 0.99

01:13:02.000 They go, no, are you crazy? 0.66

01:13:03.000 Like, I want to be here, but you're trying to stop me. 0.95

01:13:06.000 They get it.

01:13:08.000 Take a look at this story from the New York Post.

01:13:10.000 Biden secretly has let 221,486 migrants fly into the U.S.

01:13:15.000 in the past year.

01:13:17.000 How is it that we're getting a story that he's sending troops to the border, but he's also letting them all come in?

01:13:21.000 It sounds like it's fake news, or it's just an empty gesture.

01:13:24.000 It's a virtue signal.

01:13:25.000 It's a virtue signal because they're getting hammered by Eric Adams and Hochul and a lot of these sanctuary city jurisdiction Left-leaning politicians and they are in need of some sort of gesture that they can point to that they've been heard.

01:13:43.000 But you don't need to look any farther than the CBP One app that our own Department of Homeland Security developed to ensure that there was an orderly and appropriate passageway for people into our country without too much paperwork.

01:13:56.000 And it was immediately hacked by the cartels and totally utilized by the cartels to move their own people into the country.

01:14:03.000 So we literally built an app for the cartels so that there wouldn't be too much, you know, bureaucratic challenge for them.

01:14:12.000 How long was it hacked before they realized it had been hacked?

01:14:15.000 Oh, I mean, it was within a matter of weeks.

01:14:17.000 Wow.

01:14:18.000 And they were just being used to, like, organize... Yeah, well, the cartel would wall off any claims that weren't the claims into the system that they had managed, controlled, and monetized.

01:14:30.000 What's the Florida sentiment?

01:14:31.000 I know there's a lot of Cubans and Venezuelans who escaped communism and they come to Florida, and we also know that Florida has a huge swing towards Republicans in the past election cycle.

01:14:41.000 I'm curious, what's it like on the ground for regular people?

01:14:43.000 How do they feel about the illegal immigration?

01:14:45.000 Well, it turns out in Florida we actually have enough people coming to our state just from other states within the United States.

01:14:51.000 You know, we've got the migrants from Illinois and New York and California.

01:14:59.000 There is a new law that Governor DeSantis and our legislature put into effect that creates consequences for people and that ensures that people are held until the ICE detainers are executed on and it's not just going to be released into our community.

01:15:14.000 And we've actually had a lot of successful self-deportation in recent months in Florida, where people who are there illegally are getting up and leaving.

01:15:22.000 I know that because I've had construction companies and lawn care companies call me and say, well what the heck, this new law in our state is causing all my workers to leave.

01:15:33.000 And there will be some short-term pain when we ultimately reshape our economy around the American experience, not just exploiting people who come here that you can pay under the table.

01:15:44.000 It's the drugs, man.

01:15:45.000 It's the figurative economic drugs of they want cheap labor to come in, but then they create industry that becomes dependent upon it, and then you become the bad guy for trying to solve the problem.

01:15:57.000 You say, we gotta deal with illegal immigration, and all of a sudden, oh no, I'm losing my cheap, under-the-table workers. 0.98

01:16:02.000 It's your fault.

01:16:03.000 I don't remember, I mean, there's kids in cages now, but I don't recall AOC drifting in, crying, wearing white like a bartending specter, crying about keeping kids in cages in the last couple years.

01:16:17.000 Well, no, it's called, because when it was Donald Trump, we had cages.

01:16:23.000 For these children, and children are put in cages.

01:16:25.000 But as soon as Biden came in, we replaced the cages in name, and now we call them safety facilities.

01:16:31.000 That's right.

01:16:32.000 Put the word for safety.

01:16:34.000 Once you use the word safety, that means you can do anything you want.

01:16:37.000 Don't tell McCarthy, it'll be the safety continuing resolution that I'll have to vote on next week.

01:16:42.000 Or the Patriot continuing resolution.

01:16:43.000 And by the way, one of the games I now see the people on the left doing is that they go, Well, we send them into the interior of the country, but the majority of people come back for their court case.

01:16:55.000 Now, by the way, technically that's true, but the reason why that's true is because they know you get two, right?

01:17:01.000 The first one they come back for because they know they get an appeal.

01:17:04.000 They never come back for the second one.

01:17:06.000 They come back, but the left never mentions the second one.

01:17:09.000 They only mention the first one statistically because they're right, because that's the argument now.

01:17:13.000 No, no, no, no.

01:17:14.000 You can let them in.

01:17:15.000 They all come back for their court case.

01:17:20.000 It's very dark in my mind when I think about excessive immigration and what it's done to countries in the past, what it's done to empires in the past, what it did to Rome.

01:17:28.000 Are we all thinking about the Roman Empire?

01:17:29.000 How it hyper-accelerated the fall of the empire.

01:17:31.000 Rome?

01:17:32.000 I was thinking of the UK.

01:17:34.000 What's the status?

01:17:35.000 In the UK, what immigration has done to that country has been devastating to their economy, to their social experience. 1.00

01:17:42.000 It's been rough.

01:17:43.000 France, not much better?

01:17:44.000 Germany, not much better?

01:17:46.000 Sweden?

01:17:47.000 All those Nordic socialist economies, all the folks that were displaced from the wars in the Middle East ended up working their way kind of up through Europe and into those benefit structures.

01:17:57.000 The funny thing about the Scandinavian countries is how Norway was a bit more based and Sweden was a bit more woke.

01:18:03.000 Norway was like, we will absolutely release all the stats on crime, demographics, age, etc.

01:18:09.000 Sweden was like, we're not gonna do that.

01:18:12.000 So what would happen is people in Sweden would look at Norway, because it's extremely comparable, and be like, yeah, we know our government's lying to us.

01:18:19.000 In Denmark, when you're trying to get on the train to Malmö, you gotta give your ID.

01:18:23.000 Because they're very concerned.

01:18:24.000 It's the Danish!

01:18:26.000 They're super concerned about what's going on.

01:18:27.000 Sweden, they don't care. 0.58

01:18:29.000 Sweden used to, when they released the crime statistics, they did release the demographics of the crime statistics.

01:18:36.000 They stopped doing that.

01:18:38.000 I'm looking at the Lampedusa, that Italian island that's been overrun by Tunisian migrants, like 13,000 Tunisians just around this island of 6,000 people or something.

01:18:47.000 France has said yesterday they're not going to welcome the migrants that are in Lampedusa.

01:18:51.000 Poland accused the EU of encouraging human trafficking for allowing this to happen.

01:18:56.000 They are.

01:18:56.000 The traffickers kick them off Tunisia, off the coast, and then it's military and NGOs that come pick them up.

01:19:04.000 It's all human trafficking.

01:19:05.000 So I actually went on the raft with the Syrian migrants from Turkey to Greece.

01:19:11.000 Wow.

01:19:12.000 How long was that journey?

01:19:14.000 It was maybe three hours.

01:19:17.000 You can see Greece when you take off. 0.71

01:19:19.000 I watched people swim.

01:19:22.000 We have very different types of trips to the Mediterranean.

01:19:25.000 I remember when I was having a discussion, because people were dying on this trip, so I had a conversation with the coast guard.

01:19:32.000 You're a coast guard.

01:19:33.000 I said, I need a little bit of advice.

01:19:34.000 They go, what?

01:19:34.000 I go, well, I need to know what it's like if I'm going on this rafting trip across the ocean, across the Adriatic to Greece.

01:19:42.000 They go, OK, you're kidding, right?

01:19:43.000 I'm like, no, I'm serious.

01:19:44.000 They go, OK, here's the things that you need.

01:19:45.000 So I needed a type 2 life jacket.

01:19:48.000 Makes sense.

01:19:48.000 The kind of thing that if you lose consciousness, it keeps your face up.

01:19:52.000 You needed a strobe light.

01:19:54.000 Also made sense, you know, in case you're into the thing.

01:19:57.000 You needed a flare gun.

01:19:59.000 All these things made total sense.

01:20:00.000 Then they said, you need a knife.

01:20:04.000 So I said, okay, I'm assuming that's because if I get caught in the rigging, I can cut myself.

01:20:07.000 I go, no, no, no, no, no.

01:20:08.000 He's like, they're all going to try to steal your life jacket.

01:20:10.000 You have to stab your way out of it.

01:20:11.000 I go, wow.

01:20:12.000 And he goes, and the one last thing you need, you ready for this?

01:20:15.000 Condoms.

01:20:16.000 I go, look, man, I'm a red-blooded American.

01:20:18.000 But I think I could hold myself on a three hour raft ride.

01:20:20.000 He goes, no, no, no.

01:20:21.000 If you do lose your life jacket, if you blow up condoms and put them under your arm, it'll give you maybe 10, 15 minutes of extra time.

01:20:27.000 That'd be enough.

01:20:29.000 So check out this map.

01:20:29.000 You want to pull this up, Carter?

01:20:30.000 This is Greece.

01:20:32.000 And this is Lesvos.

01:20:34.000 You can see it's super close to Turkey.

01:20:37.000 So all the migrants are coming here. 1.00

01:20:39.000 There's migrant camps.

01:20:39.000 And then that's Greece.

01:20:41.000 So once you're in Greece, there's a ferry that goes straight to Athens.

01:20:44.000 But as you were talking about, it's all trafficking.

01:20:46.000 For me to get on this raft, I had to deal with the Turkish Mafia. 1.00

01:20:50.000 They controlled the entire thing.

01:20:51.000 And by the way, it's not cheap.

01:20:55.000 It was 2,000 euros, if you're a migrant, to get a seat on this thing.

01:21:01.000 I don't even know where they're coming from.

01:21:03.000 I'll tell you, I interviewed, I've interviewed two brothers, who, uh, one brother left before the war got really bad and went to Romania and got, uh, I don't know if he got citizenship, he got, like, uh, he got, uh, um, refugee status.

01:21:15.000 So it allowed him to travel through the Schengen zone, allowed him to work, and he was living a good life doing, uh, computer graphic design stuff.

01:21:20.000 His brother stayed behind, then eventually, Europe closes its, closes off saying, like, no, we can't take anymore refugees, so he tries to get on a raft from Izmir to Lesvos, and...

01:21:31.000 He's a young man who has money and works.

01:21:33.000 He saves it up.

01:21:34.000 So, I mean, this is someone fleeing war for sure, but they have money.

01:21:38.000 It's not like it's just people living in rubble.

01:21:40.000 But they're not fleeing.

01:21:41.000 See, here's the thing.

01:21:42.000 They're not fleeing war.

01:21:43.000 They're not going from Syria.

01:21:44.000 They're going from Turkey.

01:21:46.000 Once they're in Turkey, you're safe. 1.00

01:21:47.000 You're not fleeing war anymore.

01:21:48.000 Right now we're just talking about, I want an upgrade on my life conditions, right?

01:21:52.000 That's the only issue.

01:21:52.000 They're not leaving from Syria to get away.

01:21:54.000 They're already safe physically in Turkey.

01:21:57.000 I completely agree.

01:21:58.000 And the way Erdoğan has used this to leverage the West and the EU has been pretty masterful, right?

01:22:05.000 Whenever he seeks some concession, he threatens to have some massive release out of Turkey, and whenever he gets what he wants, he'll sort of constrain those releases, and so it's become a geopolitical tool.

01:22:18.000 He's weaponized it, for sure.

01:22:19.000 He's destroyed his own economy, but...

01:22:21.000 Yeah.

01:22:21.000 He's weaponized that.

01:22:22.000 I've heard the excuse that people are fleeing economic tyranny.

01:22:25.000 I don't know how to describe it.

01:22:26.000 They're like, they're economic refugees. 0.99

01:22:29.000 Like, dude, that doesn't exist, bro.

01:22:30.000 That's not how it works.

01:22:32.000 That's why every person has pretty much come to the United States over the last 50 years, and we used to call those people illegal aliens, and now we call them economic refugees. 0.99

01:22:42.000 But why?

01:22:43.000 The question is, why are they using that language?

01:22:45.000 They're using it very specifically.

01:22:47.000 The game is the destruction of our capitalist system.

01:22:52.000 That's the game.

01:22:53.000 And the more you use the word economy, it's because of money.

01:22:57.000 It's money.

01:22:57.000 It's because they're saying, look, your system is what put them there.

01:23:01.000 We have to raise the entire thing and start over again with the socialist structure.

01:23:05.000 And if it wasn't the economy, it was climate change.

01:23:07.000 Right.

01:23:07.000 Yeah.

01:23:07.000 Yes.

01:23:08.000 I don't want to get off topic, but you brought it up.

01:23:13.000 So interesting the way Zelensky, in his speech, mentioned climate change so often.

01:23:18.000 And by the way, I'm a supporter of Ukraine and the fight against Russia.

01:23:23.000 How much have you given?

01:23:24.000 Well, so let's pull the story up.

01:23:26.000 I pay a lot of taxes.

01:23:27.000 We'll pull the story up and we'll jump in.

01:23:29.000 Sorry about that.

01:23:30.000 Here we go, from TimCast.com.

01:23:31.000 Intelligence official, quote, Russia has already won.

01:23:35.000 White House media are lying about Ukraine.

01:23:38.000 The explosive claim was made in the latest bombshell report published on September 21st by Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, who spoke with an official who has access to current intelligence about the conflict.

01:23:50.000 The war is over, Hersh has won, I read that quote already.

01:23:52.000 According to Hersh's report, the war is continuing because Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky insists that it must.

01:23:57.000 Currently, there is no discussion at Zelensky's headquarters or at the White House about a ceasefire and no interest in discussions that could lead to an end to the conflict.

01:24:04.000 So I suppose we could just say right now, Seymour Hersh is wrong and his source is bad.

01:24:08.000 But I'm curious what you guys think about what's currently going on and where we are with Ukraine, and you were going to make a point before I interrupted you about the war in Ukraine.

01:24:17.000 So, yeah, the reason why, I'll get to Seymour Hersh in a second, but the reason why he's using the language of climate change, and the reason why they now have a trans person as a military spokesperson, That's going well for him.

01:24:31.000 He was put on leave.

01:24:32.000 Yeah.

01:24:32.000 Oh, he was?

01:24:32.000 Okay.

01:24:33.000 Because he stole somebody's luggage?

01:24:34.000 No, no, he said that everyone who spoke out against the government needed to be jailed.

01:24:39.000 And then they went and arrested Gonzalo Lira and have been, as Gonzalo reported, torturing him.

01:24:46.000 Yeah, they were threatening that anyone that spoke poorly of Ukraine would be facing, like, justice.

01:24:50.000 And it's like, well, are you threatening U.S.

01:24:52.000 citizens that spoke out against Ukraine?

01:24:53.000 And so that person was put on leave.

01:24:54.000 And they're torturing him right now.

01:24:56.000 So a couple days ago they were put on leave.

01:24:57.000 I don't know much more about it.

01:24:58.000 That's what I heard.

01:24:59.000 Anyway, sorry to interrupt.

01:25:00.000 No, I'm just saying that they, look, they know, they know that they are, um, look, where's their bread buttered?

01:25:05.000 It's Biden administration.

01:25:06.000 Yep.

01:25:07.000 All he hears Biden saying is climate change, climate change, climate change.

01:25:10.000 So, hey, hell, why don't I make climate change the issue here?

01:25:12.000 And I'll get even more support.

01:25:13.000 It's really low brow. 0.99

01:25:15.000 A really pathetic attempt to manipulate. I'm very concerned about you know, maybe but I think it works 0.94

01:25:20.000 I think the left looks down and go. Oh, he's for It's a signal what he's saying to the the elite left is i'm

01:25:27.000 willing to read the script It's a signal to them that i'm your boy. I'll read this

01:25:31.000 what climate change trends What's the next thing you guys need just keep the money

01:25:35.000 flowing?

01:25:36.000 These are all signals for that that explicit purpose I'm not going to get into like who's winning or losing the

01:25:40.000 war because i'm on the armed services committee and don't want to reflect

01:25:43.000 On anything classified, but I I think we can look at afghanistan And we can look at what's going on here and say what a lot

01:25:49.000 of these defense contractors are pushing toward Is how to have an extended kind of low yield war?

01:25:55.000 Like, if there's a way to stretch this thing out, turn it into a 20-30 year kind of thing, where there's a whole lot of money moving around, and unaccountable pots, and a lot of weapons getting bought, and then, oh man, the stockpiles.

01:26:07.000 Well, we gotta spend more money to reload those.

01:26:10.000 I think that the reason we are as involved in Ukraine as we are is because Afghanistan wound down.

01:26:16.000 And if we still had Afghanistan to launder money through, there probably wouldn't be the need for this type of excessive involvement in Ukraine.

01:26:23.000 Dude, I would love to alter our weapons program to create just a drone defense program where we go up into space in low orbit and we just build billions of drones that we blow up and we give the defense companies all this money, even more money than they're making now, to blow up machines instead of humans.

01:26:39.000 And then we can work with Russia.

01:26:41.000 That rant from Ian Crosland was brought to you by Raytheon.

01:26:44.000 Let me take my jacket off.

01:26:46.000 I know we're going two-on-one here, and I'm good.

01:26:48.000 Two-on-one?

01:26:49.000 Yeah, I know.

01:26:50.000 It's gonna be both you guys and me.

01:26:51.000 That's fine.

01:26:52.000 What about him?

01:26:53.000 Three-on-one.

01:26:54.000 I'm an innocent sideliner.

01:26:55.000 What are you thinking?

01:26:58.000 Well, the idea that we would just give money to the Military-Industrial Complex to appease them, to abate them, because they do bad things.

01:27:03.000 It's kind of like it's a parasite in my brain and I don't know how to get rid of it without killing myself, so I don't want to kill myself.

01:27:08.000 And I admit that military is a big part of the ethos of the United States. 0.90

01:27:12.000 I mean, we're a militaristic country.

01:27:13.000 Hey, just keep the tumor on your foot, keep it away from your pancreas.

01:27:16.000 I just want to remind you, the language we're using, and look, it's okay, but the language of the left, right?

01:27:20.000 The left has always been the ones talking about the Military-Industrial Complex and that's what runs our country.

01:27:25.000 I'm not saying you're wrong.

01:27:26.000 It's the one thing they were right about.

01:27:27.000 I'm not saying you can't say it just because they said you can.

01:27:29.000 That great leftist thinker Dwight D. Eisenhower.

01:27:31.000 But I think the left 10, 13 years ago was right about a whole lot.

01:27:35.000 They supported Julian Assange.

01:27:37.000 Now all of a sudden they're in line with Amazon, Walmart, and major corporations.

01:27:41.000 They used to be for free speech.

01:27:42.000 And they oppose government surveillance.

01:27:44.000 And now they're in favor of censorship.

01:27:46.000 The military used to be racist, now they're for NATO expansion.

01:27:50.000 They used to be opposed to defunding the police, then all of a sudden started using it against Republicans.

01:27:53.000 I drank with Julian Assange while I was under house arrest in London.

01:27:57.000 Oh wow, what did you drink?

01:28:00.000 Okay, what else do you drink?

01:28:01.000 Single malt?

01:28:02.000 Blended?

01:28:03.000 What am I, a troglodyte?

01:28:04.000 Of course it's single malt!

01:28:05.000 Okay, just checking.

01:28:06.000 I look at this report, it's funny that TimCast just published this, I believe Adrian Norman was reporting on it, because I said this a little while ago, and we were talking downstairs before the show, I was talking to Ami, and I said, so we have this map from the BBC, and you can look at February 22, 2022, You've got separatist-backed Donbass, and then you have Crimea under Russian control, and then by June 2023, Russia controls the entire land bridge into Crimea, and...

01:28:35.000 So they won, they seized the territory they wanted to gain control and more access to their warm water port in the Black Sea and their access to the Mediterranean.

01:28:43.000 So first of all, Seymour Hersh is not a credible source, right?

01:28:46.000 I mean, something says he's credible, but you don't buy the Bin Laden-Seymour Hersh story?

01:28:51.000 Not an argument, though.

01:28:52.000 So I could say the New York Times, insert all the wrong things, everything that was wrong about all the military stuff, but I agree with you, we don't have to just blindly agree this story is true.

01:29:02.000 So I only look at this through the prism of what's good for the United States, ultimately, right?

01:29:08.000 What is in our national interest?

01:29:10.000 It is in our national interest to continue to degrade the Russian military. 0.64

01:29:14.000 Taking Russia off the geopolitical board, which is what we are in the process of doing, and taking them off that board for 25 or 30 years, is in our national interest. 0.73

01:29:24.000 To destroy them economically by losing their entire European access to the gas market is in our economic interest.

01:29:31.000 And even more than that, what's really our interest?

01:29:34.000 Taking Taiwan off the table in terms of a Chinese invasion. 0.85

01:29:38.000 And I'm telling you, this is what we've done.

01:29:40.000 China has looked at Ukraine, understanding it is not in the U.S.

01:29:44.000 national interest anywhere close to what Taiwan is.

01:29:48.000 And we went to bat for Ukraine. 0.97

01:29:50.000 They understand that if they invade Taiwan, they are screwed.

01:29:56.000 They will not invade Taiwan for the next 25 years.

01:29:59.000 They technically did, several.

01:30:00.000 But like, we're talking about land invasion.

01:30:02.000 Because four days ago, we've had Jerusalem Post saying China invades Taiwanese airspace with 20 military aircraft.

01:30:08.000 A week before that, there were something like 60 different ships.

01:30:11.000 They're flying sorties over Taiwan all the time.

01:30:13.000 So that answer would absolutely get an A at the Georgetown School of Foreign Service, right?

01:30:18.000 That is the...

01:30:20.000 answer that we hear most frequently. So I want to take some of those arguments.

01:30:23.000 First, that we have to take Russia off the geopolitical landscape. So since the invasion, 0.94

01:30:28.000 they have actually got more relationships in Africa, not less. Putin just hosted this big

01:30:33.000 African summit where they all came to Moscow, and he was able to make even more audacious claims of

01:30:41.000 support and grain. And by taking Ukraine out of the distribution of some of that grain,

01:30:47.000 he's stepping in to fill it. So in a way, the war in Ukraine is allowing him to project

01:30:51.000 more power in Africa. May I respond to that? Please, please, please.

01:30:54.000 That's the argument? The Afri... 1.00

01:30:57.000 Who cares?

01:30:58.000 By the way, I care way more about the essential elements and the rare earth elements that drive the entire global economy that exists in Africa than I care about some oil rigs in the Donbass region.

01:31:07.000 You know the rare earth elements aren't rare.

01:31:09.000 We can mine them here.

01:31:10.000 And they're in Alaska.

01:31:11.000 We can mine them here, but we won't because of Biden.

01:31:14.000 What's more geopolitically important, the Donbass or Africa?

01:31:18.000 What do I care more?

01:31:19.000 It's not about Donbass.

01:31:20.000 What do I care more about Africa?

01:31:22.000 We have driven Sweden and Norway into NATO, which they didn't do for decades and decades.

01:31:28.000 That's what we've done!

01:31:30.000 Lovely!

01:31:31.000 Now we've extended the security guarantee to two more countries.

01:31:34.000 Two more very stable countries who, by the way, are in absolute interest to defend.

01:31:39.000 By the way, I am not for Ukraine being part of NATO.

01:31:41.000 I'm not for Ukraine being part of the EU for those reasons.

01:31:43.000 I'm not looking to have, I do not want to have any, I don't want a US troop in Ukraine and I wouldn't support anything that would contractually obligate us to do that.

01:31:51.000 But for Sweden and Norway, to have them coming to NATO is a huge win for us.

01:31:56.000 Because there are two more countries that now are protectorates of the United States?

01:32:01.000 There are two more people that have armies that can support us?

01:32:04.000 Well, let's see when they actually meet the requirements on their military spending, and... And by the way, this has also helped put... Look, again, I agree completely.

01:32:14.000 I think it is an embarrassment that they haven't, and I'm glad... And by the way, they increased their spending because of Trump.

01:32:22.000 Trump pushed them to increase their spending because he said, we'll pull out, and they said, whoa.

01:32:26.000 But by the way, they have spent more money on Ukraine than we have.

01:32:29.000 I'm glad that at least...

01:32:31.000 Sweden and Norway have spent more money on Ukraine than we have?

01:32:33.000 No, no, no.

01:32:33.000 All of Europe.

01:32:34.000 Okay, well, you know, since Ukraine's in Europe, it seems reasonable. 0.93

01:32:36.000 Okay, but what I'm saying is, we have now found a way to get them to spend more money on the military.

01:32:43.000 And I think they realize that we have a problem with that.

01:32:45.000 All it cost us was $118 billion?

01:32:47.000 You know what?

01:32:48.000 Is that all it is so far?

01:32:48.000 118?

01:32:48.000 I thought it was more.

01:32:49.000 That's all we got on paper.

01:32:51.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, seems like a lot to me.

01:32:53.000 I also want to address the Taiwan argument because I think the major geopolitical objective we ought to have is to stop a fusion of China and Russia.

01:33:02.000 The Sino-Russian alliance poses a greater threat to us than almost anything. 0.99

01:33:07.000 Through our involvement in this war, we have driven Russia into the arms of China. 0.96

01:33:11.000 You look at a lot of the farmland in Eastern Russia.

01:33:13.000 It is getting bought, literally bought, by the Chinese. 0.99

01:33:16.000 You're seeing a leveraged buyout of Russia through China that is making them stronger.

01:33:21.000 And I don't think that Xi views Donbass and Ukraine as in any way comparable tactically to the home game that they get to play in Taiwan.

01:33:31.000 I mean, it's not a surprise to anyone that when we war game out a Taiwan conflict, China wins every time. 1.00

01:33:37.000 Why?

01:33:37.000 Because our F-35s don't get into the fight, our littoral combat ship gets blown up before they even get there, and we run out of torpedoes.

01:33:45.000 That's what happens in every war game.

01:33:47.000 And I don't know that that type of a maritime amphibious assault is comparable to Putin running some broken tanks into Ukraine.

01:33:56.000 And when it comes to degrading the Russian military, I worry more about Russia's nuclear weapons than I worry about what tanks and armored divisions they have rolling around the plains of Europe. 0.63

01:34:09.000 I don't think my constituents are fundamentally impacted based on which guy in a tracksuit is in charge of Crimea.

01:34:15.000 I do think they're impacted if we are, like, poking the nuclear bear.

01:34:20.000 And I do believe that it is well within the capabilities of Putin to use nuclear weapons.

01:34:26.000 I am not saying MIRVs or, you know, the Satan 2 missile, they call it.

01:34:30.000 I'm talking about, you know, 100 kiloton nuclear artillery, things like that, being launched into battlefield areas.

01:34:37.000 Bill, why do you take the MIRVing armaments off the table so quickly? 0.86

01:34:41.000 Oh, I'm not.

01:34:42.000 I'm saying the first thing we should be concerned about is, in the active theater in eastern Ukraine- A false flag.

01:34:49.000 No, no, I'm saying don't.

01:34:50.000 Yes, that's a big factor as well.

01:34:52.000 But, uh, honestly, there's a good argument to be made that it is more reasonable that Ukraine would false flag a nuclear strike to blame Russia, but there's also very good reasons for Russia, if they want to expand their territory beyond just the land bridge.

01:35:03.000 Why do you think they would do that?

01:35:05.000 Why would Russia use- No, no, you think- I mean, look, I'm not- I don't know- I'm not in the mind of the Ukrainians- Oh, I'll give you- it's really simple. 1.00

01:35:12.000 If you're Ukrainian, if you're Zelensky, do you want to lose the war? 0.87

01:35:16.000 No, of course not.

01:35:18.000 In what position are you right now?

01:35:20.000 Well, as you already pointed out, you're actively trying to convince Americans to keep footing the bill, and you know Republicans are off the table, so you're playing the Democrat game.

01:35:27.000 We're not Republicans in Congress.

01:35:29.000 Well, sure, sure.

01:35:30.000 They're the lagging indicator.

01:35:31.000 You know that the American population and the way the MAGA base operates, that you're not going to be pandering to them, although they probably should be.

01:35:40.000 So, let's think about what it means to actually win a war.

01:35:43.000 Does it make sense if you are, say, like a warring- there's feudal lords warring in Japan, and they're like, you know, I gotta take out my rival, let's walk to his front gates and then fight his guards.

01:35:54.000 Or does it make more sense to have a ninja dressed like a maiden, or a servant, go in in the middle of the night, take out the emperor, and then flee by running out the back door?

01:36:01.000 These are the tactics of actual war, guerrilla tactics.

01:36:03.000 It's impractical to think that the only thing any military is gonna do is march down the field and then point weapons at each other.

01:36:11.000 If you wanna win and you want support, False flags are tried-and-true methods used by governments throughout history.

01:36:17.000 Take the Gulf of Tonkin, for instance.

01:36:19.000 The U.S.

01:36:19.000 needs public support to enter the Vietnam War, so, oh no, we're under attack, our ship's been attacked.

01:36:24.000 There's absolutely brilliant reasons for Zelensky to false flag a nuclear strike, a small tactical artillery strike, maybe it's a lower-yield nuclear bomb, and then say, our tests indicate it was a nuclear strike, and they can make it seem reasonable.

01:36:40.000 But there is a reason why he wouldn't do it.

01:36:42.000 And the reason why he wouldn't do it is because he would lose all support.

01:36:45.000 That's not true, there was a missile hit, what was that, shopping district that got hit?

01:36:49.000 And they said it was Russia, turns out it was a straight Ukrainian missile.

01:36:51.000 That wasn't on purpose!

01:36:53.000 Right, my point is... Well, blaming it on Russia was on purpose when it was there. 0.97

01:36:57.000 Look, I'm sure at the time they thought it was Russia.

01:37:00.000 But you're making an assumption it wasn't on purpose.

01:37:02.000 Everything I'm talking about is an assumption.

01:37:03.000 Exactly, so what we can say right now is that a Ukrainian missile hit Ukrainian civilians and they blamed Russia for it.

01:37:09.000 We don't know that it was a false flag.

01:37:11.000 The presumption is it was an accident.

01:37:13.000 But we don't need to make any assumptions about it at all.

01:37:15.000 All we know is when a Ukrainian missile hit Ukrainians, they blamed Russia for it.

01:37:19.000 Look, there's a massive degree of difference between a missile that went air... You're assuming that.

01:37:25.000 No, no, there is a massive difference between an air and nuclear missile, an air missile and a nuclear missile.

01:37:30.000 And you have to make the assumption because you're wishing for goodwill, you have an optimism bias.

01:37:35.000 And the normalcy and optimism bias says the accident has to be the case because nobody wants to accept the scenario that Ukraine bombed their own citizens to justify ongoing engagement with Russia.

01:37:48.000 But they did blame Russia for what was clearly their mistake.

01:37:50.000 Yeah, but back to China.

01:37:52.000 I think it's an important point.

01:37:53.000 Because look, again, we're looking at the U.S.

01:37:55.000 interests, what is best for U.S.

01:37:56.000 interests, and obviously degrading China is in the U.S.

01:37:59.000 interests.

01:37:59.000 Undeniably.

01:38:01.000 So look, this idea, obviously, Russia and China have been in each other's orbits for generations.

01:38:08.000 And this is, yes, this has maybe accelerated that to a certain point.

01:38:12.000 And by the way, You know, China is in a lot of trouble. 0.51

01:38:16.000 China is in a crap load of trouble.

01:38:18.000 But there's still our pacing challenge.

01:38:20.000 You concede there's still our pacing challenge.

01:38:23.000 Oh yeah, for sure, there's no question about it.

01:38:25.000 But them spending money to fight a war is something that...

01:38:31.000 Isn't in their interest.

01:38:32.000 Like, if they're going to do it, it's going to hurt them.

01:38:34.000 We can afford it more than they can.

01:38:36.000 You're talking about the Taiwan conflict, not the Ukraine conflict.

01:38:38.000 No, no, no, I'm talking about Ukraine.

01:38:40.000 Well, actually both.

01:38:41.000 But the reason why, how do we win the Cold War?

01:38:44.000 Because we destroyed the Russian economy because we outspent them, right? 0.99

01:38:47.000 This is not a game.

01:38:49.000 China, certainly not Russia.

01:38:50.000 Russia cannot play this game at all, right? 0.93

01:38:52.000 They're just a gas depot with a nuclear missile on top of it.

01:38:58.000 Ah, you sound like Ron DeSantis and John McCain and Mitt Romney.

01:39:03.000 I know you meant that as a cut on me.

01:39:07.000 And a lot of people are like, that's a compliment.

01:39:10.000 But the reality is that they both, and China as well, can ill afford to be in a spending war with us in Ukraine.

01:39:18.000 That's A. And B, look, again, it goes back to the idea of Taiwan.

01:39:21.000 We have a much larger interest in Taiwan than Ukraine, right?

01:39:26.000 Oh, clearly.

01:39:27.000 Undeniably.

01:39:28.000 Yeah.

01:39:29.000 And China understands that. 0.98

01:39:31.000 They're not stupid.

01:39:32.000 They understand it's our interest.

01:39:33.000 And they saw what we did for Ukraine, what us and the Europeans did for Ukraine, with a much lower strategic threshold than Taiwan.

01:39:42.000 They understand this is not something we can F with.

01:39:45.000 Yeah, but they aren't Russia, and the Taiwan scenario does not present the same opportunities that the Donbass conflict does, because you can move weapons through Poland, you've got all this different geography.

01:39:59.000 Whereas Taiwan, how do you get into that fight, is a real question.

01:40:04.000 Us or them?

01:40:05.000 Us.

01:40:05.000 How do we get into that fight?

01:40:07.000 What are our bases, Japan?

01:40:09.000 Yeah, but immediately they start making moves there against those. 0.99

01:40:14.000 But what do we have in Australia?

01:40:15.000 We have planes and ships that will be taken out by hypersonic missiles.

01:40:19.000 And we do not have sufficient defenses to those.

01:40:23.000 And China is ahead in hypersonics. 0.89

01:40:25.000 They can hit a moving target.

01:40:26.000 We can't.

01:40:27.000 It seems that the United States... Also, I mean, Australia is substantially further away than, you know, our allies in Southeast Asia.

01:40:33.000 But look, obviously, yes.

01:40:34.000 I mean, tactically speaking, these are all points that are true.

01:40:37.000 But ultimately, they understand that if we wanted to, we can bring weapons to bear that would absolutely just blow them out of the water.

01:40:43.000 They get that.

01:40:44.000 In Taiwan?

01:40:45.000 Yes!

01:40:45.000 We would not be able to maintain air superiority over Taiwan, okay?

01:40:49.000 China has exquisite air defense that is right there in their neighborhood.

01:40:53.000 So when we get within 600 miles of Taiwan, we get vanquished.

01:40:57.000 And not just that, is the implication that our air support is to decimate the civilian regions of Taiwan?

01:41:04.000 There'd be an air... you would want to get into an air fight over Taiwan against the J-10s with your F-35s. 0.99

01:41:11.000 The problem is, you know, can you get them into the fight?

01:41:14.000 Not only that, let's talk about refueling.

01:41:16.000 I mean, you're talking about mainland China right there.

01:41:18.000 Wait, we're moving ahead of ourselves.

01:41:19.000 Let me ask you one question.

01:41:21.000 Do you think that China, because of the war in Ukraine, do you think China is less likely, more likely, or as likely to invade Taiwan?

01:41:28.000 I think it doesn't affect their decision calculus.

01:41:29.000 At all?

01:41:30.000 Okay, fine.

01:41:31.000 I don't agree.

01:41:32.000 Let me tap it off really quick.

01:41:33.000 I'm with you.

01:41:34.000 I think it makes them less likely to invade, but I also agree that they don't really have a lot of incentive to go to war right now.

01:41:40.000 China.

01:41:40.000 Yeah, Chinese.

01:41:41.000 But what I'm concerned with is, what I don't agree with is that it's a zero-sum game, that if Russia loses, we win, or vice versa.

01:41:46.000 I think there are situations where we could both win.

01:41:49.000 I don't disagree with that.

01:41:50.000 I see the Grand Republic of China, the Russian Federation, and the United States all working together to defend the world.

01:41:57.000 Basically, red, white, and blue together.

01:42:02.000 The United States took Libya and it took Iraq.

01:42:05.000 Now the Russians are trying to take Eastern Ukraine. 0.89

01:42:08.000 Then the Chinese are going to want to take Taiwan. 0.99

01:42:09.000 Let's just call it after that.

01:42:11.000 Yeah, the Russians kind of took Syria.

01:42:13.000 You know, the Chinese have taken the South China Sea. 1.00

01:42:17.000 We can talk about the Soviet Union, Afghanistan.

01:42:19.000 We can talk about the Geneva Conventions.

01:42:20.000 Come on, man.

01:42:21.000 War is war and war doesn't stop because it's like, hey, everyone, we're going to call it right here.

01:42:24.000 We shouldn't have technically even occupied or annexed Hawaii.

01:42:29.000 Yeah, I think a lot of the crazy, aggressive conquest that we're seeing as a result of the United States taking Libya and Iraq, personally.

01:42:37.000 So let's eat it and move on.

01:42:38.000 But that is overly simplistic.

01:42:40.000 Libya and Iraq, it all extends well before this.

01:42:43.000 I mean, this stuff's been going on for hundreds of years.

01:42:44.000 What are we talking about with Libya?

01:42:46.000 The U.S.

01:42:47.000 moved in there with Global Osprey Solutions, Sidney Blumenthal, and Hillary, and they just set up shop.

01:42:51.000 They killed Qaddafi and took it, basically.

01:42:53.000 We're going to go to Super Chats.

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01:43:05.000 Sorry we didn't get to Super Chats earlier, but I want to be clear.

01:43:07.000 I'm not sure, Matt, are you able to stick around for the members?

01:43:10.000 I've got to travel all the way back to Washington to get this budget sorted out.

01:43:12.000 Yeah, no, do your thing, man.

01:43:13.000 I just want to make sure we're not telling everybody you'll be here if you do have to run back to... I think I gotta run.

01:43:18.000 No problemo, man.

01:43:18.000 He's got a country to run, man!

01:43:20.000 I know, I know.

01:43:20.000 I got nothing to do!

01:43:21.000 As fun as this has been.

01:43:22.000 Let's read some superchats while we're here.

01:43:24.000 Maybe we'll get some questions for you.

01:43:25.000 Okay.

01:43:26.000 RJ McDouglehime says, winner winner chicken dinner.

01:43:28.000 That's right, you had the first superchat.

01:43:30.000 And then asks, will Matt promise to let the government shut down?

01:43:34.000 With a laughing emoji.

01:43:36.000 No.

01:43:36.000 My goal is to get single-subject spending bills to pass them, to cut spending, secure the border, and bank some wins for our people.

01:43:43.000 So if you sign some of those, there's a situation where only some of the government shuts down?

01:43:46.000 Yeah.

01:43:47.000 You can have a partial shutdown.

01:43:48.000 We've had those before.

01:43:50.000 Well, I have no interest in being House Speaker.

01:43:51.000 scrams more. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Mr. Gates, excellent speech. One year after McCarthy played you all to

01:43:57.000 get himself the speaker seat, he proved himself untrustworthy.

01:44:00.000 Will you please kick McCarthy to the curb and take over House Speaker? 0.96

01:44:03.000 Well, I have no interest in being House Speaker. I also would never be elected because I don't have the requisite

01:44:10.000 followers at all. But I could tell you that McCarthy must either come into compliance with the deal he made in

01:44:18.000 January, He must do so very quickly or there will be a motion to vacate and a lot of that is spending and some of it is like I want to vote on federal term limits.

01:44:26.000 I want to vote on a federal balanced budget, even though I know that those things are going to fail and then he promised to release the January 6 tapes and has not done that and I want to see that occurs.

01:44:35.000 Why the resolution that was found in the bathroom?

01:44:41.000 I'll try to be more careful in the future.

01:44:43.000 So is that yours or what?

01:44:45.000 We had a few drafts that were in a folder.

01:44:50.000 I don't believe it was an accident.

01:44:52.000 I'm so sorry you can't buy into my temporary lack of fun.

01:44:57.000 The journalist finds the resolution to boot McCarthy, and we all smiled that day.

01:45:02.000 As for why Kevin hasn't released the tapes, the J6 tapes, is that just because people behind the scenes have been like, hey Kevin, you better not do it, or is it just his purview, or what?

01:45:09.000 What's going on?

01:45:10.000 Well, I think he believes he fulfilled that commitment by allowing Tucker Carlson and a few other journalists access to a terminal to make a few clips and leave, but that's a very different promise than the one that he made, and we want to draw him into compliance.

01:45:24.000 And then, what's a vote to kick him out look like?

01:45:27.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:45:28.000 I mean, if we had about, you know, 20, 30, however many Republicans that thought he should go, then his fate would hang in the hands of the Democrats.

01:45:36.000 And if I filed a motion to vacate, it would immediately be subject to a motion to table my motion, and Democrats could all choose to vote present on that, and then McCarthy would prevail, the motion to vacate would be tabled, and he would be working for the Democrats at their whim and at their will.

01:45:53.000 Do you think we should have him on the show?

01:45:54.000 Do you think he'd be interested in coming on?

01:45:56.000 I think you should absolutely invite him.

01:45:58.000 Let's read this.

01:45:59.000 Steve Jones says, Why on earth would Matt Gaetz want to fund DHS?

01:46:02.000 To keep using taxpayer dollars to fund the persecution of conservatives by the FBI, BLM, FEMA?

01:46:08.000 You've got to be kidding.

01:46:08.000 Please justify why we should support that.

01:46:11.000 Well, my first justification would be that the FBI doesn't reside within DHS.

01:46:15.000 The second would be DHS is Customs and Border Patrol.

01:46:19.000 It's also ICE.

01:46:20.000 Those are actually two entities that are in DHS, and I'm for those, actually, and I don't want our Border Patrol to not be funded.

01:46:27.000 Now, the reason I want a single subject review of the DHS bill is that you can go in there and excise the entities like CISA and others that are involved in the censorship industrial complex.

01:46:40.000 Adrian Horta-Martinez says, Tim, my pocket will allow another super chat.

01:46:44.000 Until next month's check.

01:46:45.000 Sorry.

01:46:45.000 Locals here in Montgomery are tired of Greg Abbott doing nothing.

01:46:49.000 Some are saying they want to go to the border themselves.

01:46:51.000 They feel our leaders are spitting on them.

01:46:53.000 People are beginning to snap.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, there's that story of the guy, I think it was Arizona.

01:46:57.000 The illegal immigrants were going on his property, and then he was defending his property. 1.00

01:47:01.000 I don't know exactly what the details were, but he's allegedly shot and killed a guy, got arrested for it.

01:47:06.000 People are starting to, are getting worried about what's going on with the immigration crisis.

01:47:10.000 I mean, look, I don't support that, but I get it.

01:47:14.000 They're seeing people come across and they're seeing their elected government officials that they pay taxes for doing nothing.

01:47:24.000 800 soldiers?

01:47:26.000 Is that meant to be a joke?

01:47:27.000 Is that meant to be an F you to us?

01:47:28.000 It sounds like it.

01:47:29.000 It's a virtue signal to try to pacify a lot of these liberal politicians that are now enduring the consequences of becoming a sanctuary.

01:47:39.000 I think a week, a day of crisis is like a week of peaceful living or months of peaceful living.

01:47:44.000 What you go through when you're in a crisis in one day is like people if they're not there and they don't aren't thinking about it then it's like oh well in three days we'll get the bill passed and then maybe next week we'll census.

01:47:53.000 The people on the ground are like, it's like telling someone who's in a burning building, let me get a resolution passed, send the fire department down.

01:47:59.000 And they're like, no, just send the fire department down.

01:48:01.000 You're like, well, we got to have a bill, we'll discuss it and maybe it won't get out.

01:48:04.000 Let me be straight with you.

01:48:05.000 There's no way to secure the border if we don't control the White House and the administration.

01:48:08.000 You can pass any law you want. 0.98

01:48:09.000 We got enough damn laws on the books. 0.96

01:48:11.000 With the laws we have now, you could secure that border and you can pass, you could do whatever you want. 0.99

01:48:16.000 They ignore the law.

01:48:17.000 Or they'll write some new memo clarifying or interpreting and then that will have the force of law.

01:48:22.000 So it is necessary but not sufficient to ensure that you have the right statutes in place.

01:48:28.000 But right now it's a matter of willpower and this administration wants to will these people into the country and they don't want any barrier.

01:48:34.000 That one gamer says someone should propose a bill that is ban the ATF and turn the buildings into liquor stores.

01:48:40.000 HerreraTexas23, let's go Brandon!

01:48:42.000 Greetings from Los Angeles, California.

01:48:45.000 I have a bill to abolish the ATF.

01:48:47.000 I think there's no function of the ATF that cannot be done by the federal marshals or, frankly, a lot of state law enforcement.

01:48:53.000 And you want to talk about some of the most vicious and cruel enforcement done by an agency that cannot even fulfill its own basic mission?

01:49:01.000 I mean, the ATF had their own gun locker robbed.

01:49:05.000 No way!

01:49:06.000 Yes!

01:49:07.000 And they had a circumstance where they were keeping over a quarter of a million records illegally that they were maintaining in a database.

01:49:14.000 So it's not a well-run agency and should be subject to some of the, I think, strictest review.

01:49:20.000 And where did Let's Go Brandon go?

01:49:22.000 Can we bring that back?

01:49:23.000 Yeah.

01:49:23.000 So, well, Brandon Herrera in Texas, they're saying it.

01:49:25.000 He's running for Congress.

01:49:26.000 Great guy running against Tony Gonzalez.

01:49:29.000 Brandon Herrera is a fine American.

01:49:31.000 So people are saying let's go Brandon in a positive way for Brandon Herrera.

01:49:36.000 So it's come back, I guess.

01:49:37.000 I missed that nuance.

01:49:38.000 Yeah, it's come back and now they're excited for Brandon.

01:49:41.000 He's the AK guy, and he's running against a Republican who voted for red flag laws.

01:49:47.000 And if you want to talk about one of the most insidious features of what Republicans have allowed, it's this kind of tattle-on-your-neighbor red flag law structure.

01:49:56.000 Yeah, Brandon would be fantastic.

01:49:57.000 Plus, he's building the AK-50.

01:50:00.000 And I asked him, I was like, is it going to be fully automatic?

01:50:02.000 And he's like, well, I don't know if you want something like that.

01:50:04.000 And I'm like, okay, but yeah, it probably will be.

01:50:06.000 So, you know, 50 BMG AK-47 full-auto.

01:50:09.000 Can you build that without a patent?

01:50:11.000 Well, they've got all the license ins and all that stuff, so they're building it.

01:50:17.000 It's an impractical device. 0.90

01:50:19.000 It's ridiculous.

01:50:21.000 There's a player on the Lakers whose initials are AK, and his number is AR, but they won't use the AR.

01:50:30.000 His number is 15, so they won't use the AR-15.

01:50:33.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:34.000 Austin Reeves.

01:50:35.000 Yeah.

01:50:36.000 We'll see.

01:50:37.000 Anthony Richardson was number 15 at the University of Florida, and he was AR-15.

01:50:41.000 I asked the Lakers announcer, who's a buddy of mine, he's like, could you do the AR-15?

01:50:44.000 He's like, no way can I call it AR-15.

01:50:47.000 Especially because it's Austin Reeves, by the way.

01:50:49.000 He's like the least AR-15 guy.

01:50:51.000 He's the AR-15 guy, yes.

01:50:52.000 But Andrew Karolenko was AK-47, they called him that.

01:50:56.000 All right, we got Eli McInnes says, can you please ask Congressman Gates about the Eglin UAP he was briefed on?

01:51:02.000 and his presence at the UAP hearing in the HOC. It's my birthday. Come on, man. Spin the UFO, Crossland.

01:51:08.000 So, uh, can you talk about the UAP stuff or is it classified or what?

01:51:12.000 Well, what I can tell you is that, you know, I've seen things that

01:51:16.000 there is no U.S. government.

01:51:19.000 capability aligned to, and we are unaware of any foreign capability that's aligned to.

01:51:24.000 We had a circumstance at Eglin Air Force Base where, during a test mission, our pilots encountered four aircraft that were in formation.

01:51:32.000 There were not supposed to be any aircraft there because it had been cleared out for this particular weapons test.

01:51:38.000 So, someone went to go check it out, and they were amazingly able to click a photo of it.

01:51:44.000 Even though, as they got close to it, All of the radar systems, all of the whole dash just went absolutely out.

01:51:54.000 But he got this one photo on one of his FLIR lenses.

01:51:57.000 I saw it.

01:51:58.000 I have been pushing to get it out.

01:52:00.000 And the hope is that we can get a subpoena to get some of these witnesses in to give them immunity.

01:52:06.000 Because right now you've got a lot of folks with information.

01:52:10.000 They want to come forward, but they're deeply concerned that if they provide it, that they could be subjected to different types of retaliation.

01:52:17.000 And so, if you get people kind of a friendly subpoena, it can immunize them to come forward.

01:52:23.000 I think it's likely just black operations military.

01:52:25.000 I mean, I would say that, but I have been on the committee that oversees DARPA for seven years.

01:52:31.000 I have a pretty clear understanding of the stuff we're doing and the stuff we're not.

01:52:35.000 That's very possible.

01:52:36.000 I think they're lying to you.

01:52:40.000 I don't know if the Chinese have developed a new technology that they're utilizing out of Cuba that ended up over the Gulf that we were not aware of.

01:52:48.000 I don't know if we've got some programs that maybe are not, you know, fully briefed to Congress.

01:52:55.000 Are you familiar with it?

01:52:56.000 It's when they take lasers and they triangulate into a point in the sky where they hit all these lasers and once they create a ball of plasma that they can move around on radar, looks like a craft, and they can project sound through it.

01:53:07.000 Yeah, but dude, it's shutting down radar and other electronic systems. 0.96

01:53:10.000 Yeah, when you would get close to it, it could warp your radar.

01:53:11.000 This thing was metallic and also where I saw the heat signatures did not make a lot of sense from a propulsion standpoint.

01:53:17.000 But it also could be radio.

01:53:20.000 It could be laser vapor.

01:53:21.000 It could be private sector.

01:53:23.000 Yep.

01:53:23.000 Usually, those private sector things that we're joint-ventured on, we have some understanding.

01:53:29.000 And they don't breach your airspace during your military tests.

01:53:31.000 Right.

01:53:32.000 Make sure you guys go deep on talking plasma, because if there's a false flag alien invasion, they'll use that stuff to trick people into hearing things.

01:53:39.000 You're basically just making reference to Project Bluebeam.

01:53:41.000 Zielinski?

01:53:42.000 What's that?

01:53:43.000 Zielinski?

01:53:43.000 Zielinski would do the false flag alien invasion?

01:53:45.000 Alien false flag, I hear, is going to be the big one.

01:53:47.000 It's going to be an alien false flag, but now that we're talking about it, maybe it won't be.

01:53:50.000 But, uh, what you're discussing is probably particularly rudimentary, just to have general lasers.

01:53:55.000 Military dot, yeah, military dot com, I think it is, talks about talking plasma.

01:53:57.000 Right, but that's rudimentary.

01:53:58.000 I mean, you could theoretically create holograms using multiple different lasers to craft an image.

01:54:02.000 When the lasers intersect, it makes an appearance of something in the sky.

01:54:06.000 And what they'll do is they'll use- And you can move it at the speed of light by shifting lasers around.

01:54:08.000 It's just- Could it have been a hologram?

01:54:10.000 It's Vegas light magic.

01:54:11.000 And they'll do that with actual drones, high-tech drones that we probably don't have access to.

01:54:14.000 And they'll do both, and people will be like, but I saw a craft, but on radar, there's no way it could have moved like that!

01:54:18.000 And you're like, well, it's because it's light.

01:54:20.000 I don't know why radar would pick up the light, though.

01:54:23.000 Could have been that?

01:54:24.000 That sounds actually like the most plausible thing I ever heard.

01:54:27.000 So this wasn't something that was moving at a high rate of speed. And so those those capabilities

01:54:33.000 were not reflected in the image I saw.

01:54:35.000 This was more metallic, orbal orb, which makes sense if it's a ball of plasma would look like

01:54:40.000 an Did it move, not like an actual jettison craft, but like something where it's like... No, no, no, hold on, hold on.

01:54:45.000 Talking plasma, or any kind of laser projection, doesn't have to move.

01:54:51.000 It can be still, and it can zip around and stop and start, because you're talking about... It could disappear and reappear somewhere else.

01:54:55.000 It's a laser pointer!

01:54:56.000 All it is, is when you point a laser pointer at the wall, that's effectively one-dimensional.

01:55:00.000 It's a point.

01:55:01.000 If you take several different lasers, where they intersect, the point will be visible in three-dimensional space, and you just move the lasers around.

01:55:08.000 They do this in Vegas, when you go watch light shows.

01:55:10.000 The guy will have the laser in his hand, and he's spinning it.

01:55:12.000 It looks like he's flipping a laser around.

01:55:14.000 If you could pulse it off and on fast enough, in different locations, you could make it look like it's moving.

01:55:19.000 No, you could literally just move the lasers.

01:55:22.000 Yeah, but if you could make it disappear and reappear really quick, too, it'll give the illusion of movement.

01:55:27.000 But it could give really weird effects.

01:55:28.000 I still just think that the Occam's razor simple solution is the Manhattan Project was a secret, you know, project.

01:55:35.000 No one really knew what was going on.

01:55:36.000 Very few people did.

01:55:37.000 What we're likely experiencing is black operations or private sector military technology and I'm willing to believe they don't brief Congress on these things.

01:55:47.000 You get the surface level stuff and then... Eh, Matt wouldn't know about it.

01:55:51.000 Was that?

01:55:51.000 Matt wouldn't know about it.

01:55:53.000 Well, even if I didn't know about it, when I saw the image and then ran it through the catalogue of the stuff we do and it didn't match anything... Right.

01:56:01.000 You know, I wonder what kind of metamaterials they're working on.

01:56:02.000 Cermat, lightweight drone craft that can go underwater and out into deep space in one jaunt?

01:56:08.000 It's, you know, we are absolutely moving to the time where the wars are going to be fought by our space robots against their space robots, all kind of directed by AI.

01:56:17.000 And once you can kind of overlay that with quantum...

01:56:22.000 You know, you're able to get a lot more output out of that.

01:56:25.000 Yeah, I want to take a bunch of drones as military industrial complex future 2.0, where we build billion drones, we onboard AI on all these drones, we let them fly around our pilots and target us as if they're shooting, but they just have AI on there.

01:56:37.000 And then after we get done with the sortie battle, we can look at the AI will tell us how we could have done it better.

01:56:42.000 And it can train us how to fight drone swarms.

01:56:45.000 The problem is, on some of the tests that we do, they don't always listen.

01:56:51.000 You know, you give it an objective where certain targets are worth certain points.

01:56:54.000 We had a matter where the Air Force sent out some drones, and there was a malfunction, so the test wasn't going to work, so it recalled all the drones, and not all of them came back, because they said, no, I have to go earn these points.

01:57:08.000 Let's read this one.

01:57:09.000 We got Terrence Maxis.

01:57:10.000 I was a public affairs officer for the Canadians Ukrainian training mission in the UK.

01:57:14.000 The lies I had to tell about how well the training was going was brutal.

01:57:18.000 Those poor guys don't stand a chance with five weeks of training.

01:57:21.000 That's a sad reality, man.

01:57:22.000 We've all seen those videos of the US trying to train the people in Iraq, and they can't do jumping jacks.

01:57:27.000 Or they're not called jumping jacks, they're called something else, but... Well, we're great at training people in Africa.

01:57:31.000 We've trained all the recent coup leaders.

01:57:34.000 Oh wow, they're doing pretty well.

01:57:37.000 So if you look at the last nine coups in Africa, all of them have had people involved that we've trained.

01:57:41.000 So has the Wagner Group.

01:57:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:43.000 I mean, you know, it's unfortunately a part of great power competition in Africa. 1.00

01:57:47.000 Now, Wagner is in a different state of affairs these days than it used to be.

01:57:51.000 It's sort of been resorbed into the Russian military.

01:57:54.000 ICU says, I'm a disabled veteran.

01:57:56.000 Will this shutdown make me lose my house?

01:57:58.000 How much do I have to give for this country?

01:58:01.000 Well, I think that would depend on the circumstances of the House and how you're paying for it.

01:58:06.000 But yeah, I mean, there will be disruptions throughout the enterprise of government.

01:58:12.000 If you are reliant on government for anything, whether it's your benefits or getting the mail, there will be some impact.

01:58:18.000 Now, Social Security and VA benefits...

01:58:22.000 are deemed essential, and so it's not that we are giving up on those things, but there are ancillary effects to any shutdown.

01:58:29.000 That's why I'm not a cheerleader for shutdowns.

01:58:33.000 I think that's nihilist.

01:58:34.000 I think that's really not going to make quality of life better for the people who are my bosses.

01:58:40.000 I agree, but I would also say this.

01:58:42.000 If your position is, yeah, let's get funding for disabled veterans and everything they need, we'll get the single subject bill right now done today.

01:58:50.000 If it is the rest of Congress that rejects that because they want the omnibus, they're the ones blocking the single bill that gets the person with the And the good news is, the first single subject bill that we did pass was military construction and VA benefits.

01:59:02.000 So if we were to go into a shutdown on October 1st, there is a device for the Senate to pick up, and even if the Senate didn't have all of our views on how VA ought to be administered, we could go and conference and negotiate that issue.

01:59:13.000 Unfortunately, Chuck Schumer's mentality is, it's all or nothing on everything, because that's what centralizes power most.

01:59:19.000 What's the point of getting power and leadership positions if you can't use them to centralize power, help your friends, and hurt your enemies?

01:59:25.000 Webber J says, how does China buying land in other countries work?

01:59:28.000 In war, they can say, no, no, our land can't plant here. 0.96

01:59:31.000 Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't get how that works. 0.96

01:59:33.000 Well, cash mostly. 0.93

01:59:34.000 I mean, there are more Chinese with like the equivalent of two million dollars American cash liquidity than there are total Canadians.

01:59:43.000 Wow.

01:59:44.000 And when you tell them that there's like stuff you can buy and is yours forever, It is a very appealing prospect.

01:59:51.000 Yeah, in China they lease it.

01:59:54.000 You can't own land in China.

01:59:55.000 You just can participate in a leasehold interest.

01:59:58.000 So you start telling people with that kind of liquidity that stuff can be yours forever, and they have become major real estate investors.

02:00:05.000 Now, I don't think you should be able to pollute the skies in Shanghai and then buy the penthouses in Manhattan.

02:00:11.000 I don't think we should allow the ill-gotten gains through devaluation of currency, through terrible environmental practices, to result in literally getting the great American asset class.

02:00:22.000 Even more insidious than that is they loan money to these countries, and they say at massive interest rates, knowing they're going to default, and part of the contract is if you default on this airport you're building, we're going to own the airport and the land around it.

02:00:36.000 And by the way, if they show up with suitcases full of cash and hookers on the front end, those bribes work, and a lot of these leaders are leaving.

02:00:47.000 So that's how the Great Power Competition is working.

02:00:49.000 Russia's value proposition is regime preservation. 0.59

02:00:52.000 They say, if you're in trouble, Maduro or Assad, we can bring muscle and keep you in power.

02:00:57.000 The Chinese say, we'll give you upfront cash now to be able to gore you later, and what we say is, we'd like to know more about your Pride Month policy.

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02:01:39.000 Matt, do you want to shout anything out?

02:01:41.000 I really appreciate you having me on.

02:01:42.000 There's something about the Timcast audience, man.

02:01:45.000 The Fox News audience, when they see me, it's just unadulterated exuberance.

02:01:49.000 The Newsmax audience, they think you're part of a special club because they've seen you on Newsmax.

02:01:55.000 The War Room Bannon audience, they just want to kind of pound their chest and growl at you.

02:01:59.000 But the Timcast audience, whenever they see me, it can be an airport, a gas station, they want to sit down and talk to you for at least half an hour about what is on their mind at that precise moment and your deepest thoughts about it.

02:02:11.000 Brother, you have really developed a trust with an audience that cuts across every age group, every ethnic group, every class, and it is a really cool thing to be a part of.

02:02:22.000 A lot of them are smarter than all the people here in this room, and often we'll say something and they correct us in the chat.

02:02:27.000 And then we'll be like, oh, look at that.

02:02:28.000 That's why I love the Super Chat.

02:02:29.000 That's an easy bar for me, though.

02:02:30.000 Yeah, same.

02:02:31.000 But it's great.

02:02:32.000 We do a show and I see someone Super Chat and be like, here's the fact.

02:02:34.000 Or we'll be like, we don't know this.

02:02:36.000 I think the chat will get it for us.

02:02:37.000 And then the viewers will give us the information to help make the show.

02:02:40.000 It's awesome.

02:02:42.000 Yeah, did you want to mention anything?

02:02:43.000 Like social media?

02:02:44.000 Oh yeah, at Matt Gaetz.

02:02:45.000 Rep Matt Gaetz everywhere on the internet.

02:02:47.000 Figure out how we're going to either fund or shut down the government.

02:02:49.000 Right on.

02:02:50.000 Ami, do you want to shout anything out?

02:02:51.000 Thanks for having me on.

02:02:52.000 Absolutely, dude.

02:02:53.000 Great to have you.

02:02:55.000 Tell everybody where to find these videos you've been previewing.

02:02:57.000 You've frothed up the audience for the next video.

02:03:00.000 You can follow me on YouTube and add Ami Horowitz for all the socials.

02:03:04.000 Right on, man.

02:03:04.000 Great to see you guys.

02:03:05.000 Awesome.

02:03:06.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:03:06.000 You guys follow me at Ian Crossland anywhere, everywhere.

02:03:08.000 Good talking.

02:03:09.000 Let's go deeper next time.

02:03:11.000 As always, catch you guys later.

02:03:14.000 That was wild.

02:03:15.000 Wow.

02:03:17.000 Great conversation.

02:03:18.000 Thank you both for coming on.

02:03:20.000 Just so fascinating and entertaining, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

02:03:25.000 Anyway, I'm Carter Banks, Simply They Make Music.

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02:03:33.000 Right on.

02:03:33.000 All right, everybody, we'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a few minutes.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - September 21, 2023

Timcast IRL - US SHUTDOWN IMMINENT, Spending BLOCKED, McCarthy FAILS w-Ami Horowitz & Matt Gaetz

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