Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - White College Staffer Resigns Over Anti-White Racism, Wokeness On Trial w-Jodi Shaw

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00:00:45.000 under Donald Trump get an executive order that banned effectively critical

00:01:02.000 race theory trainings at in the government as well as any company that

00:01:06.000 implemented these trainings as well Well, when Joe Biden got in, he rescinded this executive order, and now there are questions about what's going to be happening at universities.

00:01:14.000 Apparently, there was a rule from the Department of Education that racial affinity groups were discriminatory.

00:01:20.000 These groups are basically when they take a bunch of people of one race and make them segregate.

00:01:25.000 Under Donald Trump, that was against the rules.

00:01:27.000 And now under Joe Biden, it is within the rules and, in my opinion, shockingly discriminatory.

00:01:33.000 Well, we have a very specific story from Smith College and one of their staff members, who was a white staff member, who is accusing the University of anti-white racism.

00:01:43.000 But instead of me trying to break down the long and arduous journey for you, we actually are joined by Jody Shaw, who You are the staffer who resigned.

00:01:53.000 You want to introduce yourself?

00:01:53.000 Yes, I am.

00:01:54.000 Hi, I'm Jody Shaw, former staffer of Smith College.

00:01:59.000 Should I tell the story?

00:02:00.000 Just really, just a really quick and simple introduction.

00:02:02.000 Like you quit for, you know.

00:02:04.000 Oh, uh, well, 30 seconds.

00:02:07.000 Okay.

00:02:07.000 So, uh, there's a lot of context, but essentially Smith, uh, is various initiatives and policies aimed at achieving racial justice are grounded in critical race theory.

00:02:19.000 And what we know about critical race theory is not, um, it's not that somebody commits an act of racism.

00:02:26.000 It's that somebody is racist simply based on their skin color.

00:02:31.000 And that skin color happens to be white. 0.90

00:02:34.000 Basically, wokeness is taking over these universities, and you had to experience it firsthand, and it essentially forced you out. 0.95

00:02:40.000 So, we'll talk about your story, and there's a bunch of other stories.

00:02:42.000 Apparently, there's another professor who's come out and, you know, called it—what does he call it?

00:02:47.000 Like a religion, basically?

00:02:48.000 A non-secular religion? 0.92

00:02:49.000 Secular religion.

00:02:50.000 Secular religion, right. 0.96

00:02:51.000 Which is—we heard that from Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose as well, years ago.

00:02:57.000 So, we'll get into this.

00:02:57.000 We're also hanging out with Ian.

00:02:58.000 Hey, everyone.

00:02:59.000 Ian Crosland up in this.

00:03:00.000 How's it going, Jodi?

00:03:01.000 Yeah, up in this house.

00:03:03.000 There you go.

00:03:03.000 Yes, hello.

00:03:04.000 And also me in the corner pushing buttons.

00:03:06.000 I'm Sarah Patchlitz.

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00:05:13.000 Today is going to be much more focused on a lot of topical stories, but we're going to jump into the story from Jodi, so we can better understand exactly what's going on with your case and what you're experiencing at these universities.

00:05:25.000 So I'll lay it out.

00:05:25.000 I think most people understand wokeness, critical theory, which is not just race theory.

00:05:31.000 It's also critical gender theory.

00:05:33.000 They seem to be formless, in a sense, like the rules don't really make sense.

00:05:37.000 They just want you to bend the knee and adhere to their strange, subjective reality.

00:05:42.000 It's resulting in overtly bigoted and racist policies which, in my opinion, violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

00:05:49.000 For me personally, one of the reasons I supported Trump in this election cycle, in this past election cycle, was because of his executive order banning critical race theory in the government, as well as contracts with companies that do this.

00:06:01.000 Because I've seen firsthand what happens when you implement these neo-racist, neo-segregationist policies.

00:06:08.000 Universities are creating affinity groups.

00:06:10.000 They're telling all the white people to segregate and all the black people to segregate. 0.65

00:06:14.000 And then it creates very strange problems with whether or not Asians are minorities or they're white and privileged.

00:06:19.000 So, you've experienced this firsthand, and first, just tell me the story, in whatever detail you want to tell us the story, where you ultimately resigned from your job because I guess they were being racist to you for being white.

00:06:32.000 Yes, that's accurate.

00:06:34.000 All right.

00:06:34.000 Thank you for telling your story.

00:06:36.000 What happened?

00:06:37.000 Where did you work?

00:06:37.000 Smith College.

00:06:38.000 What's going on?

00:06:38.000 Smith College.

00:06:39.000 So I started off at Smith as a temporary librarian, working in the library as an outreach and engagement librarian.

00:06:48.000 And I was hired to do, you know, kind of out of the box things to engage students who otherwise normally wouldn't engage very deeply with the library.

00:06:58.000 And, um, About, I don't know, almost a year after I was hired, or six months after I was hired, I was tasked with doing a wild and crazy event for 600 first-year students.

00:07:13.000 And I decided, and I was given a big venue, and the people who gave me the venue said, we will give you this venue if you do something wild and crazy because these kids are going to be exhausted.

00:07:23.000 This is the sixth day of the event.

00:07:26.000 So you got to agree to that.

00:07:27.000 So I did, and I thought, and I have a musician background, so I thought, well, what's the best way to transmit a bunch of very boring information to a bunch of 600 first-year students?

00:07:40.000 Obviously a rap.

00:07:41.000 So everyone knew I was going to be doing a rap.

00:07:45.000 I spent months preparing, working with musicians, getting everything set up, the sound and everything, and simultaneously I was up for a permanent job at Smith College.

00:07:55.000 So I worked all summer on this, and then something happened at Smith.

00:07:59.000 On July 31st, 2018, a student, a black student, accused a white custodian of engaging in racially

00:08:08.000 motivated behavior against her.

00:08:10.000 She was in a house that she was not supposed to be in.

00:08:13.000 It was over the summer, and the staff there had allowed her to be in the house, but this

00:08:17.000 custodian didn't know who she was.

00:08:19.000 She was lying down in this living room, couldn't see her very well.

00:08:22.000 And this document, this incident's been documented quite well now in a recent New York Times

00:08:26.000 article.

00:08:28.000 Ever since that incident, the college immediately, so the student—

00:08:32.000 That was like two years ago, wasn't it?

00:08:34.000 Yeah, this was in 2018, July.

00:08:36.000 She made a Facebook post, so she didn't even file a formal complaint.

00:08:41.000 She simply posted about the experience on Facebook and said that this was just another example of a pattern of systemic racism she had experienced at Smith College.

00:08:51.000 So the college immediately sprung into action, announcing a profuse apologies to the student and to the student body, and announced its intention to launch all these initiatives and committees and conversations and dialogues to combat this issue of systemic racism at the college.

00:09:09.000 And this was before they'd even conducted any investigation into what had actually happened that day.

00:09:15.000 So, they did conduct an investigation, a very thorough one, and they found that there was absolutely no evidence of racial bias.

00:09:22.000 And anyone who has, is privy to the facts of what happened that day and has read this investigatory report, which is, it's 35 pages plus 130 pages of exhibits.

00:09:34.000 I mean, it was really thorough.

00:09:36.000 They would be hard-pressed to argue that this was an incident of racial bias.

00:09:40.000 In and of itself is insane.

00:09:42.000 That a woman was sitting down in some, she was in a closed dorm, a janitor saw her and said, who's this? 0.52

00:09:48.000 So instead of confronting the person, which could have been a bad call, he called the cop.

00:09:51.000 The cop was very polite.

00:09:52.000 There's video of it where he's just like, how's it going?

00:09:54.000 How are things?

00:09:55.000 Sorry for bothering you.

00:09:56.000 And that warranted an independent investigatory body coming in, a 35 page report.

00:10:02.000 35 page report plus exhibits, floor plans, audio recordings.

00:10:06.000 They investigated phone calls to campus.

00:10:09.000 This is campus police, so unarmed.

00:10:11.000 It wasn't like the town police.

00:10:12.000 This is campus police.

00:10:14.000 A guy who'd been working there for 35 years.

00:10:15.000 His name's Robert Young.

00:10:17.000 Beloved, spotless record.

00:10:21.000 He showed up and he actually, I think he recognized the student.

00:10:24.000 I heard he recognized her and she was able to stay.

00:10:29.000 So yeah, it was like they were really trying hard to almost to prove that it was, in my opinion, almost to prove that it was, and they weren't able to.

00:10:38.000 The outside investigators said this is not an incident of racial bias, and yet they proceeded with all these initiatives.

00:10:47.000 It's almost like it didn't matter what the event was.

00:10:50.000 They wanted the anti-racism, which is just a name by the way, they wanted the critical race theory.

00:10:55.000 Policies in the school and it sounds like they knew it was bunk, but they needed a pretext and even though it was

00:11:01.000 proven bunk They move forward anyway

00:11:04.000 That's I think that's an accurate analysis So so what ended up happening to you then? So what happened

00:11:11.000 to me was, you know, meanwhile, I'm in the library working on my rap

00:11:13.000 and about so this happened on July 31st and the

00:11:19.000 Orientation I was doing was happening in very early like right after Labor Day. And so within a week

00:11:25.000 Of me doing this huge thing organizing an event for 600 people. It's no small undertaking. I was told

00:11:32.000 My supervisor came in and said, you know, you can't do this.

00:11:34.000 You can't do a rap and I said why not?

00:11:37.000 He said because you're white and it would be seen as cultural appropriation

00:11:40.000 so Did you try identifying as not white? I did ask

00:11:47.000 I said, I said, no, I didn't.

00:11:49.000 I said, I said, so if I was not white or I know I said if I was a person of color and I didn't indicate what color I said, if I was a person of color, would I be allowed to do it?

00:12:00.000 And he said, yes, without hesitation.

00:12:02.000 So obviously just anybody except for somebody who's white. 0.81

00:12:04.000 What about Eminem?

00:12:06.000 Did you tell him that?

00:12:07.000 Yeah. 0.86

00:12:07.000 Well, Eminem's a white supremacist, dude. 0.86

00:12:09.000 One of the most prolific actors of our time.

00:12:11.000 Yeah, seriously.

00:12:12.000 Or rappers of our time, rather. 0.98

00:12:13.000 I'm kidding, by the way, he's a white supremacist.

00:12:15.000 Well, I mean, yeah, people say that Macklemore and I mean, of course, Tom McDonald, but I mean, really rap is an American.

00:12:23.000 It's an American art.

00:12:24.000 It's an American.

00:12:24.000 It's culturally American.

00:12:26.000 I think that's my view.

00:12:28.000 I don't understand why we all can't just, you know, appreciate, you know what I mean?

00:12:32.000 It's actually like racist of me to try and play that game about what about a white guy who did it too?

00:12:37.000 And you're right.

00:12:38.000 It's an American art form.

00:12:39.000 Who invented the guitar?

00:12:40.000 Where did the guitar come from?

00:12:41.000 Huh?

00:12:42.000 Good question.

00:12:42.000 Who's using that?

00:12:43.000 Or keyboards?

00:12:44.000 Or turntables?

00:12:45.000 Who invented the record player?

00:12:47.000 Or the lute?

00:12:49.000 Everybody?

00:12:50.000 Look, that's why I'm like, this stuff's really scary because it's kind of obvious.

00:12:56.000 Let me ask you.

00:12:57.000 Your supervisor who came in said you can't rap.

00:12:59.000 Is this like a middle-aged white dude?

00:13:02.000 He's a white dude, but he's not middle aged.

00:13:03.000 He's younger than me.

00:13:04.000 And he's actually the head of the search committee for the job I was up for.

00:13:06.000 So it was very awkward.

00:13:09.000 Was he woke?

00:13:12.000 Like, I mean, I think he's towing the line. 1.00

00:13:14.000 Or just a coward. 0.99

00:13:16.000 So a coward? 0.99

00:13:17.000 You should, don't answer that, don't answer that. 0.93

00:13:20.000 I personally do not respect individuals who would say something like that because I think what he said to you was extremely racist.

00:13:26.000 Yes, it was so, but it was so unhesitating.

00:13:30.000 I mean, the manner in which he said it, and then followed up by email.

00:13:33.000 He memorialized this in an email, in writing.

00:13:36.000 And then I went to the dean of the libraries and I said, you know, what's going on?

00:13:40.000 And she actually, told me, said to me something that was a veiled threat.

00:13:44.000 Remember, I was up for a job and she said, well, how you choose, how you manage to be resilient in the

00:13:49.000 face of this situation is really going to give us a lot of information in light of

00:13:53.000 your candidacy for this job. It was something like that. I'm paraphrasing. So, I mean, that's,

00:13:58.000 to me, that's a veiled threat.

00:13:59.000 And so the fact that they did it so blatantly and explicitly, I was genuinely confused.

00:14:08.000 I I was like, because when I heard about the student, all I heard was a black student was just lying on a couch in a house and somebody called the police on her.

00:14:18.000 That's terrible.

00:14:19.000 Like that was the narrative that I heard.

00:14:21.000 You know, I had didn't really go because there was no investigation.

00:14:24.000 That's what the college told me.

00:14:25.000 I really didn't have reason not to believe them at that point.

00:14:29.000 So I was confused.

00:14:30.000 I was like, well, you know, this really feels like racial discrimination.

00:14:33.000 He literally told me, because you're white, you can't do this, this job opportunity.

00:14:39.000 And I wrestled with, well, should I file a complaint?

00:14:42.000 I was like, but can white people be discriminated against?

00:14:47.000 Like, is that possible?

00:14:48.000 And I thought, well, gee, if I report it, I'll never get a job here because white people aren't supposed to complain about this stuff.

00:14:54.000 They're not supposed to do that and so it was a very um hard hard for me emotionally to wrestle with what I was supposed to do with that and what I ended up doing was I ended up leaving the library and moving to a different department on campus thinking that I could get away from because there was also lots of these discussions and dialogues that discussions dialogues that were happening even before this event had occurred that I just went along with and again I had no reason to believe oh there's systemic racism okay

00:15:24.000 And I guess, you know, as a white person, you're supposed to talk about your privilege and that's going to help somehow.

00:15:30.000 So I thought, OK, but inside it always felt like it felt kind of disingenuous.

00:15:37.000 So you didn't quit at this point?

00:15:39.000 No, I left.

00:15:40.000 I stayed at the school.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, it's a long story.

00:15:42.000 So I went to a different department.

00:15:44.000 And I didn't know that this department, the Department of Residence Life, is very steeped in the social justice.

00:15:51.000 That's one of its core values.

00:15:53.000 And again, at the time, I thought, oh, social justice.

00:15:55.000 Yeah, I can get with that.

00:15:57.000 I hadn't quite put all the pieces together.

00:16:00.000 And I think this is part of the problem is a lot of people are genuinely confused.

00:16:03.000 You need to be watching Timcast IRL.

00:16:06.000 It's not your fault, though.

00:16:07.000 I mean, you know, a lot of people don't know about how awesome... I'm kidding.

00:16:09.000 I'm kidding.

00:16:09.000 Continue.

00:16:10.000 Continue.

00:16:11.000 Yeah, I definitely need to be watching Tim Kast.

00:16:15.000 So, yeah, I moved into this department and other things started happening on campus, like the campus police officer who showed up to that incident was terminated a year later.

00:16:25.000 And this is a guy... For racism?

00:16:27.000 No, it was for undisclosed reasons.

00:16:29.000 Wow.

00:16:30.000 And he was a 35-year veteran, about to retire, spotless police officer.

00:16:35.000 He was beloved.

00:16:35.000 We called him Officer Bob.

00:16:36.000 He was there when I was a student there.

00:16:38.000 That's, that's a Simpsons joke where they're like, he was two days away from retirement.

00:16:42.000 Like they do that all the time.

00:16:43.000 Like the dog gets hit by a car.

00:16:44.000 Like, ah, he was two days away from retirement.

00:16:46.000 Here's this cop.

00:16:47.000 I mean, it's, it's, it's kind of, it's, it's, it's parody in and of itself.

00:16:51.000 It's like life imitating art.

00:16:53.000 It's so, it's so absurd.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, it's absurd.

00:16:55.000 And it's really, it's tragic.

00:16:57.000 Because the other thing that happened with this student was she made this Facebook post and then she made a subsequent, she didn't know the name of the custodian.

00:17:05.000 She couldn't identify the custodian who had called campus police on her.

00:17:07.000 So she posted the photos and email addresses of two other unrelated, like people who were not involved, a dining room person and another custodian who wasn't even there.

00:17:19.000 He left to shift for the day before it even happened.

00:17:22.000 And those two, the lives of those two people were, I mean, I think it was catastrophic.

00:17:28.000 One of them, during the investigation, he was put on leave and a paid leave and he ended up not coming back to the college.

00:17:35.000 He had some pre-existing conditions and it was too much.

00:17:38.000 He didn't come back.

00:17:39.000 And then the dining room worker was harassed.

00:17:43.000 I mean, she got phone calls.

00:17:45.000 She got notes in her home mailbox.

00:17:50.000 Students would whisper and point at her, there's the racist. 1.00

00:17:54.000 She was then furloughed this past summer and she applied for a job somewhere to make up

00:18:00.000 for the temporary loss of her job at Smith.

00:18:04.000 And the person who was hiring her said, weren't you the person that was involved with that

00:18:08.000 student when they called the police?

00:18:10.000 And she was like, no, no.

00:18:11.000 She tried to explain.

00:18:12.000 She didn't get the job. 0.66

00:18:13.000 I mean, we can't know for sure that she didn't get the job for that reason.

00:18:17.000 I would say yes, but what you need to understand, once the word gets out, you'll hear this.

00:18:25.000 Look, I understand you weren't at fault, but I mean, we can't have those people coming after us.

00:18:30.000 So I'm just sorry.

00:18:31.000 You understand, right?

00:18:32.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:18:34.000 Once you're out there, you are unhirable.

00:18:37.000 And it's not about whether they believe you or not, it's that they don't want you near their company.

00:18:42.000 So now you're waking up to the realities that are the cult of, you know, wokeness, but you still work at the college.

00:18:50.000 I still work at the college.

00:18:51.000 I'm starting to wake up.

00:18:52.000 I'm starting to pay attention more.

00:18:54.000 Some other things start happening around campus.

00:18:57.000 I feel like I'm walking on eggshells.

00:18:59.000 I took a lower paying position in doing administrative support.

00:19:05.000 So I was no longer a teaching librarian.

00:19:07.000 I thought, oh, I can hide down here.

00:19:09.000 That's kind of what I thought.

00:19:11.000 Very nuts and bolts, getting students their IDs, getting them keys.

00:19:15.000 Very salt, practical kind of job.

00:19:18.000 And yet, you know, I was told I had to attend staff meetings where people were talking about identity.

00:19:26.000 There was one staff meeting where we talked about how colonialism, was it white supremacy?

00:19:36.000 Like examples of how white supremacy still manifests at the college.

00:19:41.000 And one of my colleagues started banging on the table saying, rich white women, rich white women. 0.99

00:19:46.000 And he was talking about the alums.

00:19:48.000 He was talking about the alums.

00:19:50.000 And so nobody batted an eyelash.

00:19:52.000 You know, I'm like, this feels very like, I mean, this doesn't feel professional.

00:19:57.000 There was no, like, did they start banging on the table and chanting gooble gobble one of us at you?

00:20:01.000 Trying to convince you to join the cult?

00:20:03.000 Didn't happen?

00:20:04.000 Anybody who gets that reference, you deserve a present.

00:20:07.000 What is it?

00:20:07.000 I don't actually get the reference.

00:20:09.000 Thank you.

00:20:09.000 It's from the movie called Freaks.

00:20:11.000 I think it's called Freaks.

00:20:12.000 And there's this beautiful woman.

00:20:14.000 She's trying to marry this freak who's got an inheritance. 0.98

00:20:17.000 And so all the freaks at the table are chanting gooble gobble one of us, but she's not a freak. 0.89

00:20:21.000 And so she's like, no! 0.96

00:20:22.000 And she like runs away screaming. 1.00

00:20:24.000 Yeah, that was me.

00:20:25.000 I'm that woman.

00:20:27.000 But is that how you ended up quitting?

00:20:29.000 No, so then I started gently, I felt, gently talking to my supervisors.

00:20:36.000 Because the other thing they were asking me to do was to support a curriculum for students that was essentially telling students that you can break the world down into two groups of people.

00:20:44.000 oppressed and oppressors.

00:20:46.000 And oppressors are white and everyone else is oppressed.

00:20:49.000 And I felt like that was really such a disservice to students.

00:20:54.000 It made me very uncomfortable.

00:20:55.000 It felt like the infantilization I was talking to Lydia about

00:20:58.000 earlier of students, like telling students of color, like

00:21:01.000 you can't quite handle the world.

00:21:03.000 And until until your white counterparts 0.98

00:21:07.000 start talking about their white privilege, nothing's going to 0.78

00:21:10.000 It was kind of this toxic dependency thing.

00:21:14.000 And I just felt like it was incredibly disempowering to both white students and non-white students.

00:21:21.000 And so I tried to raise this several times with my supervisor.

00:21:25.000 Nothing happened.

00:21:26.000 I finally just was like, I'm not, I don't want to talk about my race at work.

00:21:30.000 I started thinking, gee, you know, you can't ask about race in a job interview.

00:21:34.000 So how is it that this is a continued condition of my employment?

00:21:38.000 So I was told we were going to go, this is the big event, we were going to go to a professional development retreat on campus.

00:21:45.000 And the first day we would be discussing our identities.

00:21:49.000 So, I went to my supervisor and I said, you know, and I knew that meant race because that's usually what it means.

00:21:54.000 And I said, you know, I'm uncomfortable discussing my race at work.

00:21:58.000 And she said, no problem.

00:22:00.000 Just say that at the retreat.

00:22:02.000 So, I thought, okay.

00:22:03.000 So, I went to the retreat and everyone went around the table and we did the script talking about our race.

00:22:08.000 And it was actually, they wanted us to talk about our race in the context of our childhood, no less.

00:22:13.000 Race slash culture, they were like conflating the two. 1.00

00:22:17.000 And so I said, I'm uncomfortable talking about this at work.

00:22:21.000 And then a little later, one of the hired facilitators said, I was the only one to abstain by the way,

00:22:26.000 one of the hired facilitators said, you know, any white person who declines

00:22:32.000 or exhibits discomfort, which I had, in discussing their race when requested

00:22:38.000 is not actually uncomfortable.

00:22:40.000 You might want to feel like you empathy for them but don't.

00:22:44.000 What they're doing is a power play and it's called white fragility. 0.91

00:22:48.000 And so they said this and my heart just dropped because this was in front of all my colleagues and that's when a line was crossed for me because I realized this wasn't just, I couldn't just keep, you can't just keep your head down and mouth shut in this environment.

00:23:04.000 This is an environment in which now shame and public humiliation is being used as a tool to compel certain behavior.

00:23:12.000 Because they wanted me to talk about my race and they wanted me to talk about it in a certain way.

00:23:16.000 I answered the question authentically which is I am uncomfortable discussing my race and that was not an acceptable response.

00:23:25.000 So at that point I knew I had to file a complaint.

00:23:28.000 Which brings me to filing the complaint with the officer in charge of making sure Smith complies with EEOC, which is the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission laws.

00:23:40.000 She has a JD.

00:23:42.000 And when I went to file my complaint, I met with her and she looked at me, she was rather incredulous, and she said, do you believe in white privilege?

00:23:52.000 And I was like, what?

00:23:55.000 And then she said, you know, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was created to protect traditionally marginalized groups of people.

00:24:02.000 So I interpret that to mean not me.

00:24:05.000 And then the last thing she said was, you know, I'm going to have to hire an outside investigator to deal with this if you're going to proceed with filing a complaint of racial discrimination and harassment. 0.76

00:24:17.000 And I said, well, why is that?

00:24:18.000 Aren't you the person that processes these complaints?

00:24:20.000 And she said, yes, but this is different because you're white. 0.54

00:24:24.000 She literally said those words.

00:24:25.000 She literally said those words.

00:24:26.000 She said that twice at two different occasions.

00:24:29.000 And I followed them up with emails, of course, because by now I'm being very careful about paper trail and everything.

00:24:39.000 So I filed the complaint and I filed it, I think it was probably like a week before George Floyd was murdered.

00:24:47.000 And so Smith went into hyperdrive after the July 31st 2018 incident with the combating systemic racism stuff and all the initiatives.

00:24:58.000 They went into super duper hyperdrive after George Floyd.

00:25:03.000 And remember, this time, we're in a global pandemic.

00:25:06.000 Nobody knows what's going on.

00:25:07.000 Suddenly, everybody's like, the college is closed.

00:25:09.000 Everyone's working from home.

00:25:10.000 We're going to furlough all these people.

00:25:12.000 Everyone's worried about their job.

00:25:14.000 And the college comes out with this four-page document called Toward Racial Justice at Smith, outlining further initiatives, including initiatives aimed at measuring pay across registers of identity.

00:25:28.000 So we're talking about like, now it's being tied to your job performance.

00:25:32.000 So at that point I started sending emails to HR and other people asking, you know, can you give me definitions of this stuff?

00:25:37.000 Like what do you mean by equity?

00:25:38.000 And what does this mean?

00:25:39.000 Because now you're telling me this is tied to my pay.

00:25:43.000 And they, there was, Nothing happening.

00:25:48.000 In the meantime, I was getting invited to white staff only meetings and being told that letters from the president saying white people are especially responsible for combating racism and doing this work and we all have to work and do this hard work and It felt like it was just constant, constant emails and constantly talking about being white and how responsible white people are for all this racism and how horrible the systemic racism is and how I need to do all this work.

00:26:27.000 It's been made clear to me that it's not optional, right?

00:26:29.000 I mean, they say, well, you know, it's optional, but if I don't go, I've been, you know, it's like clearly that could be interpreted as an act of aggression or a power play.

00:26:39.000 So cut to October, I finally decided that I was in a bad state psychologically and physically, and I decided that my… My health was, the damage that I was causing to myself by remaining in this environment was worse than what might happen if I made a video about it.

00:27:00.000 So I made a YouTube video and that actually kind of just blew up.

00:27:05.000 I didn't know what would happen.

00:27:06.000 Did you quit at this point?

00:27:08.000 No.

00:27:08.000 You really want to get to the part where I quit.

00:27:11.000 No, not yet.

00:27:11.000 Yeah, kind of, I guess, but not really.

00:27:13.000 I'm just curious if like, you know, I'll put it this way.

00:27:16.000 It really does sound like you were constantly being pushed to your breaking point.

00:27:20.000 And from what you're telling me, you're like, they told me I had to say this.

00:27:23.000 And I'm like, wow, surely that made you quit.

00:27:25.000 But hearing that each and every beat in the story, you're like you stayed through it.

00:27:29.000 I try. Yeah, because I was going through all the internal channels of trying.

00:27:34.000 I had I was a good faith effort on my part.

00:27:37.000 I thought, well, surely if I show them that this is wrong, surely they will be like, oh,

00:27:45.000 maybe we should review our policies or oh, gee, this is hurting.

00:27:48.000 A staff member is coming up telling us this is hostile and she's being hurt.

00:27:52.000 Like, surely we should listen to this person.

00:27:54.000 I just have, I have, I no longer have faith in Smith College, but I still had some faith at the time that perhaps, and I also knew I needed to exhaust my internal remedies too.

00:28:08.000 Um, so I made some videos and I got put under investigation, like within a month for an unrelated thing.

00:28:16.000 And, um, then I was, they found me not guilty of whatever it was I was under investigation for.

00:28:22.000 I was slapped on the wrist.

00:28:23.000 Do you know what the investigation was for?

00:28:25.000 Yeah, we had received, after I made the video, we received a bunch of emails to my department, the departmental email, which I respond to, a bunch of people respond to it, and it was like, you know, Jodi Shaw is a white supremacist.

00:28:37.000 She went on Tucker Carlson, because I went on Tucker Carlson after I made the video.

00:28:41.000 She's associated with a white supremacist, therefore you should fire her.

00:28:45.000 And so I was forwarding these emails to my personal account because I'm documenting everything by now and they said one of those emails contained student information.

00:28:56.000 I'm not clear on what email.

00:28:57.000 They didn't tell me which email it was.

00:29:01.000 And I wasn't able to determine which email they meant, but it was a slap on the wrist and then it was like, okay, you can come back to work.

00:29:11.000 And it felt like that was a hard choice whether or not to go back or, I'm not going to talk about the, there were some settlement negotiations, which I won't get into, but It felt like going back into an abusive relationship.

00:29:29.000 And I thought I wouldn't go back into an abusive relationship.

00:29:32.000 So I can't.

00:29:34.000 I can't go back.

00:29:35.000 And that's when I resigned.

00:29:36.000 I can't believe you made it that far.

00:29:38.000 I can't either.

00:29:39.000 But you know, I absolutely can empathize.

00:29:42.000 When I worked for Fusion, they had an event where they had all of their, you know, stars, their personalities.

00:29:51.000 hosting a specific event, except for one person.

00:29:55.000 And, uh, well, I should say, I'm not going to pretend like I deserve to be a part of all of the big productions from this Disney corporate, this Disney corporate, you know, cable channel.

00:30:05.000 But I did question why it was they brought in an outside personality who was black to be involved in an event when I was actually on staff under contract to be one of their hosts.

00:30:15.000 And I don't care about the race of the individual.

00:30:18.000 My question was, why hire someone from the outside if you're paying me to do this? 0.95

00:30:21.000 And I was told explicitly by the president, it's because you are white.

00:30:24.000 And I said, don't you know that I am not? 0.94

00:30:28.000 And he says, you look too white.

00:30:30.000 And I said, I come from a, you know, everybody knows this by now, especially the people who watch the show, second generation mixed race family.

00:30:37.000 And he was like, I get it, man.

00:30:38.000 The company's racist.

00:30:40.000 He told me that.

00:30:40.000 And you know what?

00:30:41.000 I did try to quit, but I never filed a complaint.

00:30:43.000 Hindsight being 2020.

00:30:45.000 I wonder if I really should have, if I should have gone, because maybe if, you know, at the time I didn't really think anything of it, but you mentioned something really interesting.

00:30:53.000 early on when you said that, you know, you as a white person, you had this idea that, like, you don't complain about these things when they when they criticize you or they or they, you know, negatively impact your life based on you being white or whatever.

00:31:06.000 White people don't complain. 0.89

00:31:08.000 And it was interesting for me because I didn't look at I've never I've never had like a white racial history or identity or anything like that because I grew up in a mixed race area with with a bunch of different friends of different races.

00:31:20.000 And I had a mom who made bulgogi for dinner.

00:31:23.000 But when I heard this, I had a more libertarian gut reaction of, you do you, I'll do me.

00:31:29.000 Break my contract.

00:31:30.000 They refused to do it.

00:31:31.000 They told me, you're under contract for another year.

00:31:34.000 Why don't we just wait things out and see how it goes?

00:31:36.000 And so, in the meantime, I was getting paid well, and I didn't have any obligations with the company.

00:31:41.000 They told me just do whatever, because they didn't want the problems, I guess.

00:31:44.000 The company wasn't always woke.

00:31:46.000 They decided to get woke.

00:31:47.000 And then, you know, I wonder now if I had just been more aware of what was going on.

00:31:52.000 This is back in, I think, 2015.

00:31:54.000 Maybe I could have, you know, filed a complaint that could have preempted something like what you went through.

00:31:59.000 Maybe if we were all in this a little earlier and aware of what was going on.

00:32:02.000 But it didn't mean anything to me.

00:32:03.000 It was just a one-off event in my life.

00:32:05.000 I didn't realize at the time we had seen, you know, we're seeing Gamergate, right?

00:32:09.000 The start of this culture war.

00:32:11.000 Now we can see how bad it's really gotten.

00:32:13.000 So tell me now, so you ended up resigning and you ended up raising, what, like 300 grand?

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:19.000 Yeah.

00:32:20.000 Was it a go for me?

00:32:21.000 What's that all about?

00:32:23.000 What's going on?

00:32:24.000 What's this money for?

00:32:24.000 You're going to buy a Jeep or something?

00:32:26.000 Lamborghini?

00:32:27.000 Yeah.

00:32:27.000 No.

00:32:29.000 Well, the money is for, I mean, Anything, the GoFundMe is complicated, but the GoFundMe was started because I was quitting my job and I wasn't going to have income.

00:32:42.000 And I'm going up against an extremely powerful institution that has a $2 billion endowment and has hired a very expensive attorney.

00:32:55.000 Yeah, that's what the money's for.

00:32:56.000 And actually, my goal was $150, and anything over $150 actually is going into a fund.

00:33:04.000 I'm working out the details now for other people who are in similar situations.

00:33:09.000 And then I cut that off at $290, so now it's going back to me because I realize now how little $150 actually is in spite of what people think.

00:33:18.000 It's actually not that much.

00:33:19.000 It's not a lot.

00:33:20.000 It's not that much money, especially since this is my job now, and there's a lot of stuff going on.

00:33:28.000 There's a lot of organizing, you know, in the background and a lot of work, and it's not that much money.

00:33:34.000 You need a million bucks, and I'm not exaggerating, and people need to realize this.

00:33:39.000 Listen up, everybody.

00:33:40.000 Lawsuits are expensive, okay?

00:33:43.000 And especially, you're going up against this university, or is it college?

00:33:46.000 College, yeah.

00:33:47.000 They're going to have tremendous resources, and each and every one of these woke individuals can put money towards this university if they want to.

00:33:58.000 The university itself has more resources than an individual.

00:34:00.000 These lawsuits, when it comes to defamation, going up against the establishment, you're going to spend a quarter million dollars in a couple months.

00:34:07.000 Couple months.

00:34:07.000 You look at just a simple defamation case.

00:34:10.000 It was Carl Benjamin and Akilah Hughes, and I think that cost Carl somewhere around like $120,000, if that.

00:34:15.000 I'm not sure.

00:34:16.000 Maybe I'm getting the number wrong.

00:34:18.000 Court fees alone was like $40,000.

00:34:20.000 Then he had his legal fees, his lawyer fees.

00:34:24.000 And that's just two individuals going over one small defamation case.

00:34:28.000 You're talking about, you know, you filed an EEOC complaint for racial discrimination.

00:34:33.000 Yes.

00:34:34.000 And so I'll ask a couple questions.

00:34:39.000 Are you allowed to talk about this?

00:34:40.000 Are you going to be filing a suit privately outside of the EEOC?

00:34:44.000 Uh, that remains to be seen.

00:34:45.000 The EEOC is the first step.

00:34:47.000 It's a requirement though.

00:34:48.000 Yeah.

00:34:48.000 So.

00:34:49.000 And then if, so, uh, I assume when you filed your complaint, you provided testimony, a sworn affidavit?

00:34:55.000 No, not yet.

00:34:56.000 That doesn't happen with the EEOC.

00:34:57.000 Okay.

00:34:58.000 Um, that would, that would happen if I file a civil suit though.

00:35:02.000 What is EEOC?

00:35:04.000 Good question.

00:35:05.000 EEOC.

00:35:06.000 It's the Equal Employment or Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

00:35:10.000 Yes.

00:35:11.000 It's like a government agency.

00:35:13.000 It is and they have a state level and a federal level and I believe in Massachusetts where I am it gets cross filed with the federal government.

00:35:22.000 So that is the first step and so right now I did file the complaint and Smith College has a certain time limit to respond so we get to see how they're going to defend.

00:35:34.000 We get to get a little insight into how they might defend themselves against these claims.

00:35:38.000 So you file the complaint first.

00:35:41.000 Is the EEOC going, assuming they take your case, have they or do we know that yet or what?

00:35:47.000 Uh, well, we're waiting for, they have to wait for the response.

00:35:50.000 Yeah.

00:35:51.000 Response from Smith.

00:35:52.000 And then I think I'm not a lawyer.

00:35:54.000 I think they can choose to investigate it if they decide it has merit or I don't know what their criteria is.

00:36:02.000 Um, but either way, I think I can, you can get a right to sue letter.

00:36:06.000 Um, you can sue in state court or in federal.

00:36:09.000 the federal level, there's a different waiting period for each. And I think you can do that

00:36:14.000 regardless of whether or not the EEOC decides to investigate, but I'm not exactly sure about that.

00:36:19.000 I'm worried that with Joe Biden coming in and, you know, the rule changes from the Department

00:36:25.000 of Education, that they're going to tell you to buzz off.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, you know, there's another administrative agency called the Office of Civil Rights,

00:36:33.000 the OCR.

00:36:34.000 And I just heard a story recently about a woman who was having similar situations.

00:36:39.000 She's white.

00:36:41.000 And so she filed a complaint with the OCR and the OCR, this was during Trump, and the OCR determined that this is a hostile work.

00:36:48.000 I forget exactly what it was, but they said, yeah, this is wrong.

00:36:51.000 Whatever's going on in this workplace is wrong.

00:36:54.000 Wow.

00:36:54.000 and they issued a letter to the employer and they said, here's here are the steps you need to do to correct the

00:36:59.000 situation.

00:36:59.000 It wasn't even like she was getting, I don't think she was doing from,

00:37:02.000 it wasn't even a lawsuit for money or anything.

00:37:04.000 It was just like fix the situation.

00:37:06.000 And then Biden moved into office and the OCR rescinded that. I think that was in the New York post recently, that

00:37:15.000 story.

00:37:16.000 So it, that is concerning. I mean, as you know, he rescinded Trump's EO,

00:37:21.000 which was essentially just restating what's, we have civil rights act of 1964, just restating it really.

00:37:30.000 I'll tell you what I think one of the problems is.

00:37:32.000 A lot of conservatives seem to think that Donald Trump needed to do all the work for him.

00:37:36.000 And not just conservatives.

00:37:38.000 Conservatives had been the one paying attention to this more than liberals were.

00:37:42.000 Like, you know, in the story you told, you were kind of unaware of what was going on.

00:37:45.000 I told a similar story in 2014.

00:37:47.000 Conservatives have seen this and have been railing on it for some time.

00:37:50.000 Then moderates got roped in and now many liberals, people like Barry Weiss for instance, are complaining about what happened at the New York Times.

00:37:56.000 And you have anti-woke leftists even now criticizing the establishment and what they call neoliberalism.

00:38:02.000 The problem is a lot of conservatives thought Donald Trump was the answer.

00:38:06.000 I'm not saying every single one.

00:38:08.000 Or at least they thought Trump would be some kind of assistance.

00:38:11.000 And they're not entirely wrong.

00:38:13.000 Trump did come in and he did eventually Sign, you know, enact this executive order.

00:38:20.000 But it took what James Lindsay and Christopher Ruffo going on, you know, shows Christopher Ruffo going on Tucker Carlson and saying this is a problem for Trump to enact this what in the last several months of office.

00:38:31.000 The issue is, these government agencies had been doing absolutely racist practices.

00:38:38.000 In one instance, there was like, I think it was, there was a certain laboratory sent all the white people on a retreat to like talk about whiteness and white privilege and why it's, you know, bad and things like that.

00:38:47.000 We've seen many stories like that.

00:38:49.000 Christopher Ruffo documents all of these, you know, and there's a bunch of examples.

00:38:53.000 Every single one of those people needed to file a lawsuit. 1.00

00:38:56.000 They needed to do what you are doing right now.

00:38:58.000 So what ends up happening is we have years of this, and we have many people complaining about it.

00:39:04.000 But where are the people actually filing the suits?

00:39:08.000 Challenging these institutions on, was it Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

00:39:13.000 You cannot discriminate on the basis of race and gender and national origin and things like that.

00:39:19.000 When I saw Donald Trump was enacting this executive order, I thought to myself, he shouldn't have to do this.

00:39:24.000 It's already illegal.

00:39:26.000 It's interesting.

00:39:27.000 We had a leftist on this show who argued that Trump was banning free speech and that it was wrong to do this.

00:39:33.000 And I'm like, It's already illegal to do these programs. 0.96

00:39:37.000 You cannot take a bunch of white people off to a retreat and tell them white people are bad. 0.96

00:39:41.000 That violates the law. 0.99

00:39:42.000 The law says race.

00:39:43.000 The law doesn't say marginalized groups.

00:39:46.000 You can argue the spirit or the intent, but it doesn't matter.

00:39:49.000 We have these laws for a reason.

00:39:51.000 Joe Biden has come in, rescinded the executive order, and it doesn't change the fact it's still illegal.

00:39:57.000 That means every single person who works in the government, works in these universities, or is affected by the wokeness needs to be filing a lawsuit today against these institutions for what they're doing.

00:40:08.000 Why aren't they doing it?

00:40:10.000 Well, we talked about money.

00:40:12.000 That's true.

00:40:13.000 That's a huge thing.

00:40:13.000 I mean, really, it's even before that, the question is why I mean, I feel like more people are speaking out, but I mean, people don't even talk about it, let alone file a lawsuit.

00:40:28.000 I mean, that's a big step.

00:40:31.000 That's a commitment.

00:40:32.000 And litigation is difficult.

00:40:34.000 Definitely.

00:40:35.000 We do have some other lawsuits going on in this country, though.

00:40:38.000 We have Clark v. Democracy Prep in Nevada, which is a school case.

00:40:45.000 It's a K-12 charter school.

00:40:49.000 Gabrielle's son is a senior and he was forced.

00:40:54.000 I mean, they said they would give him a D-minus if he didn't profess his identity.

00:40:58.000 Is this the biracial? 0.88

00:40:59.000 Yes.

00:41:00.000 So we actually have this.

00:41:01.000 He looks white.

00:41:04.000 He's like you.

00:41:04.000 Well, there's a really funny thing about that.

00:41:07.000 Whether I'm white appearing or not depends on the race of the individual.

00:41:11.000 No joke.

00:41:12.000 So in my experience, I've been called Hispanic more than anything else.

00:41:17.000 Latino.

00:41:18.000 I had a guy at Occupy Wall Street refer to me as his Puerto Rican brother.

00:41:20.000 And I'm like, bro, I'm not Hispanic.

00:41:22.000 I mean, I know like the tiny bit of Spanish because I grew up in Chicago.

00:41:26.000 But I was in Anaheim and I had the guys from Telemundo walk up to me speaking Spanish, just assuming I was Latino to a certain extent.

00:41:33.000 And so, it really is in the eye of the beholder.

00:41:36.000 The funny thing is, if I agree with the woke, all of a sudden they can see that I'm not white.

00:41:41.000 And they say, see, it's because you understand.

00:41:44.000 If I disagree with them, they say, you're white.

00:41:46.000 That's the name of the game.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, because it's not really about skin color, is it?

00:41:51.000 It's about politics.

00:41:53.000 Yeah, it's about whether you are in the cult or not.

00:41:56.000 So let me jump to the story.

00:41:57.000 We have this from the Atlanta Black Star.

00:42:00.000 They say black mom sues school after she says biracial son received failing grade in sociology class for refusing to confess his white dominance.

00:42:10.000 A black mom is suing her biracial son's Nevada charter school after she claims he received a failing grade for refusing to link aspects of his identity to oppression and dominance in his sociology class.

00:42:20.000 Gabrielle Clark and her son William Clark filed a suit in U.S. 0.94

00:42:23.000 District Court of Nevada against public charter school democracy prep Agassi Campus in Vegas on December 22nd, alleging a violation of constitutional free speech and due process rights.

00:42:34.000 William Clark claims that in that class, Sociology of Change, taught by Catherine Bass, who was named as a defendant in the suit, he was harassed and punished for refusing to attach derogatory labels to aspects of his identity.

00:42:47.000 Clark, whose deceased father was white, is generally regarded as white by his peers, according to the complaint, and has green eyes and blondish hair.

00:42:55.000 The far-right advocacy group International Organization for the Family, which has been tracking the case closely, reports that a U.S.

00:43:02.000 District Court judge said at a February 22nd temporary restraining order hearing, I think William is likely to succeed on the merits of his compelled speech claims, saying that the defendants will have to find a way to justify the critical race theory curriculum under a strict scrutiny test, adding, that's a very high bar to meet.

00:43:19.000 In the class taught by Bass, a self-described white Irish-American citizen, Clark was allegedly forced to reveal his race, gender, sexual and religious identities, and attach labels to the identities, which the lawsuit claims violated his right to privacy.

00:43:34.000 An instructional slide included in court documents displays dominant groups in American culture as white, male, middle-upper class, heterosexual, and Protestant Christian, while everyone else is categorized as submissive.

00:43:45.000 Labels like white are associated with B.A.S.S., are associated by B.A.S.S.

00:43:49.000 with privilege, while words like female and working class are associated with oppressive. 0.61

00:43:55.000 It's really twisted, this kind of stuff.

00:43:59.000 Yeah yeah that's that's a particularly egregious but this is happening all over the place you know and Gabrielle Clark stood up and said no no thanks I'm not I'm not gonna do this.

00:44:13.000 I was given a similar one of my colleagues was like offered to help educate me and I took her up on it I was like okay I'm gonna I'm going to have an open mind and she handed me a worksheet and it did have that the oppressed it was two columns oppressed and it was dominant group and subordinated group and the dominant group only had like one thing like race was white, gender male.

00:44:40.000 Religion, Christian, you know, and then over here you had all like everybody else in the entire world and I was like, wow! 0.97

00:44:47.000 That was a very reductionist view of the world, but that sounds it's very similar to what William experienced and I believe I think he was the only white presenting person in his class too, which made it especially Have you taken the privilege test?

00:45:05.000 Where it's like a slider bar, and it's like, how white are you?

00:45:07.000 How Christian are you?

00:45:08.000 How old are you?

00:45:09.000 What's your income?

00:45:10.000 Oh, the intersectionality score thing?

00:45:11.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:45:12.000 And then it's like, you are 74 points privileged out of 100.

00:45:15.000 You are very privileged, or whatever.

00:45:17.000 That's basically what they're doing.

00:45:19.000 Have you ever seen that image of the three people staying at the fence for the equality versus equity?

00:45:24.000 Yes, of course.

00:45:26.000 The amazing thing about that is its manipulation.

00:45:28.000 It's the insidiousness of it, where they show that to children.

00:45:32.000 And they explain very simply, hey, we can give, you know, one of the boxes from the tall guy to the short guy so they can all see, right?

00:45:40.000 Well, that's simple.

00:45:40.000 It makes sense.

00:45:41.000 But what happens when you're dealing with race and orientation and national origin and religion?

00:45:45.000 It's impossible to quantify how standing on top of religion allows you to see a baseball game.

00:45:51.000 So these are the kinds of manipulative tactics they use where you kind of understand it.

00:45:55.000 But here's what I truly despise about this.

00:45:58.000 That equality versus equity argument is about wealth, not race.

00:46:02.000 Everyone who gets access to a box to stand on is their access to resources.

00:46:10.000 Giving the shorter person two boxes is giving them access to resources to help them.

00:46:15.000 The argument that we actually need to be having is about class issues.

00:46:19.000 Well, they do mention working class and middle-upper class as part of the oppression scale, but when they make everything about your race That, in my opinion, is meant to disrupt actual... What's the right word for it?

00:46:32.000 I guess... Social justice.

00:46:35.000 Real social justice.

00:46:36.000 Oprah all of a sudden becomes oppressed.

00:46:38.000 She's a billionaire. 0.92

00:46:40.000 And then a white homeless veteran is now an oppressor because he's white.

00:46:44.000 Yeah, it's like saying Oprah Winfrey has more in common with somebody living in the East... Like the Marcy Projects in New York. 0.71

00:46:53.000 Yeah, than a wealthy white person.

00:46:56.000 I mean, clearly that's a false... But that's the kind of narrative they use, like they used it with Serena Williams.

00:47:03.000 When she had, uh, so she's the famous tennis player. 0.69

00:47:07.000 When she had a bout of rage, you know, with all due respect, she got angry and she like bounced her tennis racket or something like that.

00:47:15.000 They, they, they penalized her for it. 0.99

00:47:17.000 And then there was this big narrative that the only reason they did it was because she was a black woman and that they were basically attacking her as the trope of the angry black woman, as opposed to the fact that she just acted out in violation of the rules. 0.94

00:47:30.000 And to act like one of the most famous, celebrated, and wealthy athletes in the world is in any way oppressed is just shockingly, I don't know, ignorant in my opinion.

00:47:40.000 But I think it's part of the weaponization that we see from a lot of people.

00:47:43.000 I mean, heaven forbid, there's a large push towards, you know, stripping away the resources of corrupt politicians who somehow make millions of dollars off of their office when they're getting a salary for $174,000 a year and then all of a sudden become worth $50 million or $5 million or whatever.

00:48:00.000 They don't want you to come after him.

00:48:02.000 So they'll say, hey, don't look at me.

00:48:03.000 It's the white guy. 0.99

00:48:06.000 Go yell at that guy in the gutter who's, you know, shoveling garbage for a living. 1.00

00:48:10.000 He's the real oppressor.

00:48:12.000 They teach it in schools.

00:48:12.000 Yeah, just like Jackie Blair is the dining person who was falsely accused is the real oppressor.

00:48:20.000 Yeah, the janitor.

00:48:24.000 Yeah.

00:48:25.000 People say it all the time, this divide in Congress.

00:48:27.000 It makes it impossible for us to organize along class lines.

00:48:30.000 And really, if we were really talking about power, if that's the conversation we want to have, then we need to be talking about class.

00:48:36.000 Definitely.

00:48:38.000 I see it.

00:48:38.000 It's really interesting.

00:48:39.000 Donald Trump called for $2,000 checks for everybody in the stimulus, and it was the Republican Party that said no.

00:48:44.000 And it shows you that Donald Trump really was an insurgent in the Republican Party.

00:48:47.000 They did not like what he had to offer.

00:48:49.000 And then after Donald Trump says $2,000 checks, Joe Biden's like $1,400.

00:48:54.000 You know, he's like, okay, so we already gave you the 600, we're only gonna give you 1,400 right now.

00:48:58.000 But there's something interesting about Trump supporters and left populists in that I don't think Trump supporters care all that much about billionaires.

00:49:07.000 I think there's certainly a conservative argument against giving the government too much power.

00:49:12.000 So when they talk about wealth taxes, right, it's a big thing we see on the left, the Bernie Sanders crowd, they want a wealth tax.

00:49:18.000 You know, I used to, I thought about this.

00:49:20.000 Are you familiar with the wealth tax?

00:49:22.000 Um, is that Yang?

00:49:25.000 It's Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

00:49:27.000 Oh, okay.

00:49:27.000 Yes, right.

00:49:28.000 The billionaire tax or something.

00:49:30.000 The way it works is they treat wealth like property and tax a percentage of your hard wealth you gotta pay for.

00:49:36.000 Now, I've been very critical of this because it makes literally no sense.

00:49:41.000 You know, Jeff Bezos, for instance, I think his total income from Amazon is like $1.3 million per year.

00:49:46.000 His net worth, however, is like $160 billion or whatever, or more at this point, because Amazon's, you know, gaining a lot of value because of the pandemic.

00:49:54.000 But he can't sell that stock.

00:49:56.000 There's like thresholds and contractual agreements to where he can finally liquidate some of those assets.

00:50:00.000 That means what?

00:50:01.000 If they implement this wealth tax, they're like, Bezos will pay, you know, three billion dollars a year, but he's worth, you know, a hundred and something billion.

00:50:09.000 And it's like, okay, well, where does that billion dollars come from?

00:50:13.000 The government doesn't want stock in Amazon, and he can't give it up anyway.

00:50:16.000 It's a violation of the contract.

00:50:17.000 The wealth tax makes no sense.

00:50:18.000 He doesn't have the cash to actually pay for it.

00:50:21.000 We hear a lot from the left, well then he should sell his assets.

00:50:23.000 I'm like, he legally can't.

00:50:25.000 The wealth tax makes no sense.

00:50:26.000 At this point, however, I'm kind of like, I don't care.

00:50:29.000 Do it.

00:50:30.000 Let's see what happens.

00:50:31.000 I don't care about Jeff Bezos, Mackenzie Bezos.

00:50:34.000 The only thing where I'm kind of like, I don't know, Elon Musk probably deserves to have a lot of money.

00:50:38.000 Because that guy's building starships and Starlink and other useful things.

00:50:42.000 Bezos, I don't like.

00:50:43.000 Soros, I don't like. 1.00

00:50:44.000 The Koch brothers, the Mercers, any one of these billionaires, I don't like.

00:50:46.000 I think they flood money into politics.

00:50:49.000 They subvert the will of the working class. 1.00

00:50:52.000 And I think many Trump supporters would much prefer working class individuals have their say-so as opposed to billionaires, namely George Soros, who they criticize all the time.

00:51:00.000 But I think we can throw out all the names of Tom Steyer, Michael Bloomberg, left-wing billionaires, right-wing billionaires.

00:51:05.000 I don't care for any one of these billionaires.

00:51:06.000 I think we do need to have a reckoning on class issues.

00:51:10.000 The problem is, critical race theory disrupts that.

00:51:13.000 The culture war disrupts that.

00:51:15.000 And I think we have a really strong opportunity right now with Biden in office.

00:51:18.000 To actually look at some of these anti-woke leftists, many socialists and progressives, and be like, which part can we agree on where we think the billionaires are disrupting the will of the working class and kind of like put a stop to that?

00:51:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:32.000 I think.

00:51:33.000 And we've mentioned this many times.

00:51:36.000 Critical race theory was introduced by powerful interests who knew it could distract the masses and create a fight that protects them, right?

00:51:43.000 So there's this comic we love to reference on the show where it's a rich guy in his office, everything's really pretty, outside is an Occupy Wall Street protest, they're holding a big sign saying Occupy Wall Street, and the rich guy's on the phone smiling saying, introduce them to identity politics.

00:51:56.000 And that's really what it feels like, because I was at Occupy when this happened.

00:51:59.000 It went from, you know, people like Luke Rutkowski, who was on the show for a couple of months.

00:52:03.000 Maybe he'll come back.

00:52:03.000 We'll see.

00:52:04.000 Luke, where you at?

00:52:04.000 Luke!

00:52:05.000 Where you at?

00:52:06.000 But he's a center-right libertarian.

00:52:09.000 I'm center-left libertarian.

00:52:10.000 But we agree on these libertarian issues, not liking the elites, the authoritarians.

00:52:15.000 And we met at Occupy Wall Street because these people were down there.

00:52:19.000 Until the critical race theorists show up and started segregating people based on race.

00:52:23.000 And then you saw people leave and get angry.

00:52:26.000 That was the ultimate slap in the face and the insult, especially to a lot of younger, white, idealistic individuals who are now being told it was their fault.

00:52:33.000 And they're like, yo, I'm here and I can buy Wall Street with you.

00:52:35.000 It's like, too bad.

00:52:37.000 That happened to me literally.

00:52:38.000 I went to Occupy Wall Street with the Constitution.

00:52:40.000 I was going to read it.

00:52:41.000 And they were like, hey, the news is here.

00:52:42.000 I was like, oh, good.

00:52:43.000 I'll go get on the news and tell them about the Constitution and how we need to break the Federal Reserve up.

00:52:48.000 No, there's too many white people have spoken to the news.

00:52:51.000 I just lost my mind.

00:52:52.000 I got on stage and screamed that I'm not white. 0.82

00:52:55.000 And no one is black or white.

00:52:57.000 These shades don't exist on our pigmentation, our skin color.

00:53:00.000 And people looked at me like dumbfounded.

00:53:02.000 And then the next girl that went up was like, I am a black woman who, and I was just like, I give up on this.

00:53:07.000 I give up.

00:53:07.000 I can't, I can't fight the crowd.

00:53:10.000 You have to find another way.

00:53:11.000 But man, it is.

00:53:13.000 Being silenced, not the answer.

00:53:15.000 It was a, it was a brilliant attack vector, in my opinion.

00:53:18.000 Accusing people who oppose racism of being the true racists.

00:53:22.000 Yeah, you know, the other problem is the left-right thing.

00:53:26.000 Just the massive fear of people on the, and I know these terms are probably meaningless, that's kind of the point, but people, classical liberals, right, who are on the left, who are like, the ground has now shifted.

00:53:41.000 Hold on.

00:53:41.000 Classical liberal is a right-wing position?

00:53:43.000 Yeah.

00:53:44.000 Right.

00:53:45.000 So people confuse the tradition, like the actual classical liberalism of, like, John Locke with saying, Right and left is another attack vector thing.

00:53:58.000 It doesn't really exist.

00:53:59.000 You use those words to divide us.

00:54:00.000 But I'm yeah, it does words to divide the colloquialisms of left and right are confused and meaningless

00:54:06.000 So there's social liberalism, which is like Democrats in the 90s sent slightly

00:54:11.000 That's what I mean social liberalists social liberalism, right? It's okay

00:54:15.000 This is this is the liberalism of like Martin Luther King jr Expanded civil rights, civil rights protections, and social programs.

00:54:23.000 But social liberalism is not social democracy or democratic socialism or socialism.

00:54:29.000 Social liberalism is like center-left, meaning Some programs, sometimes.

00:54:35.000 And then classical liberalism is like, not that many programs, but maybe a little bit.

00:54:38.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:54:39.000 Classical liberalism is like smaller government.

00:54:41.000 Yeah, it's very much like libertarianism.

00:54:43.000 Yeah.

00:54:44.000 And then social liberalism is, you think we should have the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

00:54:48.000 You think unemployment benefits and a social safety net is a good thing.

00:54:53.000 I do, I believe all of those things.

00:54:54.000 I just think conservatives have fair criticisms of these programs in that they become bloated, congested, and corrupt over too long.

00:55:01.000 And so we need to reassess.

00:55:03.000 I think liberal and conservative is another attack vector thing dividing us because I'm both.

00:55:08.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 It's really and I see there's so many people I mean like I know you all know this well but I was still a little surprised when I went on Tucker Carlson, you know, I made my video and I said in my video, I'm a lifelong liberal.

00:55:23.000 And I went on Tucker and Tucker's like, lifelong liberal Jody Shaw.

00:55:26.000 How many emails I got afterwards saying, you know, I was with you, but then you went on Tucker.

00:55:34.000 And he's right wing, so I can't, I'm not with you anymore, even though my message had not changed at all.

00:55:41.000 And so that's when I realized this is a big problem is that people who otherwise would be able to see this stuff in their midst, the CRC stuff and be like, well, this is wrong, but they're still kind of confused if they're so scared of if they Go off the script of being associated with the right.

00:56:01.000 And that fear is so big.

00:56:03.000 I mean, there's like it's like an epithet to be called right wing to some liberals.

00:56:09.000 Identity politics.

00:56:10.000 To say I am a fill in the blank is identity politics.

00:56:13.000 To say I am center is identity politics.

00:56:16.000 I am left identity.

00:56:17.000 I am a Democrat.

00:56:18.000 Identity. 0.99

00:56:19.000 That's identity crap. 0.99

00:56:20.000 Yes, we need to drop it. 0.98

00:56:24.000 There's a quote from Andrew Breitbart that I think you should hear.

00:56:28.000 I wonder what your opinion is on Andrew Breitbart.

00:56:32.000 I don't know.

00:56:32.000 Yes, he's a Breitbart magazine, right?

00:56:36.000 Steve Bannon.

00:56:37.000 Website.

00:56:37.000 He passed some years ago, but he said, walk toward the fire.

00:56:42.000 Don't worry about what they call you.

00:56:43.000 All those things are set against you because they want to stop you in your tracks.

00:56:47.000 But if you keep going, you're sending a message to people who are rooting for you, who are agreeing with you.

00:56:52.000 The message is that they can do it too.

00:56:54.000 Love it.

00:56:54.000 There was another quote, which was either a derivative of this or spawned from it, where that, you know, I've often misattributed to Breitbart, but it's similar.

00:57:02.000 Walk towards the fire.

00:57:04.000 People think that once you get to the fire, you'll be burned, but in reality, you'll pass through and see freedom on the other side.

00:57:10.000 Yeah, I've heard that quote before.

00:57:11.000 That's true.

00:57:13.000 I think that I've experienced that.

00:57:15.000 So these people are scared.

00:57:18.000 And there's a lot of there's a lot of like, you know, moderate leftist personalities and I shouldn't say leftist, like traditional and classical liberal types that are absolutely terrified of finding themselves in league with conservatives.

00:57:34.000 But if you live that way, then you're living on your knees.

00:57:38.000 So, I don't care.

00:57:41.000 There's probably some hit piece coming out about me soon, probably.

00:57:45.000 And I get this thing where they're like, Tim Pool has hosted Alex Jones and Enrique Tarrio.

00:57:50.000 And they like to do this thing where they're like, here's a photo of Tim Pool sitting down at a bar with the alt-right.

00:57:56.000 And I'm like, uh-huh.

00:57:58.000 And?

00:57:59.000 I don't care.

00:58:00.000 I really don't.

00:58:02.000 You know, they come at me and they're like, can you explain this photo, Tim?

00:58:06.000 Yeah, I talk to people.

00:58:08.000 That's about it.

00:58:09.000 I'll talk to whoever I feel like talking about.

00:58:10.000 I don't care about what they call me.

00:58:12.000 I don't care about what they think.

00:58:14.000 I literally do not care.

00:58:15.000 I just don't.

00:58:17.000 And if you do, you are being held back because they have no control over you.

00:58:23.000 They don't.

00:58:23.000 Now look, I get it.

00:58:25.000 I think there's a lot of people who are like, I don't want to lose my job.

00:58:27.000 I'm comfortable.

00:58:28.000 But if you think keeping your head down will keep you safe, you are wrong.

00:58:32.000 They will come for you eventually.

00:58:33.000 I mean, you kind of explained that in your story before where you thought if you just went along with things and kind of kept your head down, is that how you felt?

00:58:40.000 Yeah, they will come for you.

00:58:42.000 I mean, these, you can't, it's getting to a point where you are, it's compelled.

00:58:48.000 I mean, look at the Clark v. Democracy.

00:58:50.000 That's about compelled speech.

00:58:52.000 This is now, we are now not talking about like suppression of speech.

00:58:55.000 We're talking about there, you're going to be asked to say things that you do not necessarily believe in as a continued condition of your employment or you're getting a good grade.

00:59:04.000 You're going to lose your job unless you bend the knee. 0.93

00:59:07.000 So if you would rather live on your knees than fight on your feet, well then so be it.

00:59:13.000 That's what you deserve and it's what you want and far be it from me to criticize you for doing it.

00:59:16.000 But no, you should criticize because that lends to the problem.

00:59:18.000 It exacerbates the problem.

00:59:20.000 Don't do it.

00:59:21.000 Listen, I'm not here to recreate the environment they've created.

00:59:24.000 They want to create this environment where they terrify you into dropping to your knees.

00:59:28.000 I don't want to create an environment where you're terrified of my side.

00:59:31.000 I'm going to tell you this.

00:59:32.000 You do your thing.

00:59:33.000 If you do right, I've got your back.

00:59:35.000 But if you want to live on your knees, I'm not going to criticize you or pressure you.

00:59:39.000 I mean, no, no, I will.

00:59:40.000 I'll criticize you.

00:59:41.000 But I'm not going to create the same environment where you are not welcome.

00:59:45.000 If you want to live in this world where you are at the behest of the woke cult with no real ideology, just strange do-as-the-tribe-says-or-else, that's up to you.

00:59:55.000 You're welcome to come on the show.

00:59:55.000 If you want to taste it, yeah.

00:59:57.000 If you want to taste it and then come tell your personal story about how bad it sucked, go for it.

01:00:01.000 But don't do it.

01:00:02.000 Get up off your feet.

01:00:04.000 I think it's very simple.

01:00:05.000 Off your knees?

01:00:06.000 I grew up in Chicago.

01:00:07.000 Off your toes.

01:00:08.000 Off your toes.

01:00:09.000 I grew up super far left.

01:00:12.000 I was a skateboarder.

01:00:13.000 I was an anarchist.

01:00:14.000 I was listening to all the punk rock music.

01:00:16.000 I hated the system. 0.94

01:00:18.000 I had been messed with by cops before, so I was all just like, cops are corrupt. 0.91

01:00:22.000 The system is broken. 0.87

01:00:23.000 It's terrible.

01:00:25.000 The war machine.

01:00:25.000 And then I got older and realized there's nuance and ways to deal with these problems.

01:00:31.000 But having grown up kind of in, not necessarily the gutter, but in a sense, you know, guttery conditions.

01:00:37.000 I've also been homeless a couple times.

01:00:38.000 There's nothing anyone can take from me.

01:00:41.000 I don't care.

01:00:42.000 You have nothing over me.

01:00:43.000 Oh, you could take my job away?

01:00:44.000 So what?

01:00:45.000 What's the worst case scenario?

01:00:46.000 Been there, done that.

01:00:47.000 I'm not worried about it.

01:00:48.000 And so, I'm free to speak my mind.

01:00:52.000 I'm not scared.

01:00:53.000 But there are a lot of people who are scared because they're going to lose everything.

01:00:55.000 Well, also because there's that fire, you know, this fear.

01:00:58.000 It's not just about losing your job.

01:01:00.000 It's about literally being cast out of your herd.

01:01:03.000 And I think that's partially... I'm smirking.

01:01:05.000 I think partially that's why this ideology is so effective.

01:01:07.000 It hooks into this.

01:01:09.000 That's a primal fear.

01:01:11.000 Like getting cast out.

01:01:11.000 You're going to get eaten by a lion.

01:01:13.000 Exactly.

01:01:14.000 Humans are social.

01:01:15.000 Shaming.

01:01:16.000 Yes.

01:01:17.000 We are social creatures.

01:01:19.000 We survive with cooperation.

01:01:21.000 So when you're out on your own, you are in a very risky position.

01:01:24.000 But together, we're strong.

01:01:27.000 The threat is you will be excised.

01:01:29.000 Well, let me tell everybody who's listening.

01:01:31.000 There's very clearly an infrastructure built where you will survive opposing the cult of wokeness.

01:01:38.000 We're all here.

01:01:39.000 We're having a good time.

01:01:40.000 In fact, I gotta tell you, I'm doing all right for myself.

01:01:43.000 I love when they try claiming grifter, right?

01:01:45.000 I'm sure they call you a grifter because you raised all this money.

01:01:48.000 Yes.

01:01:48.000 What's easier, losing your job, freaking out your friends, becoming a social pariah in

01:01:54.000 your industry and your community, or going along, pushing the narrative and just milking

01:01:58.000 it for all it's worth?

01:02:00.000 What's safer, being a woke neoliberal leftist promoting Joe Biden and the Democrat message

01:02:06.000 to make money on the platforms that you have no risk of being banned for, or challenging

01:02:11.000 the system and facing real risk of getting your shows deleted every single day?

01:02:15.000 Or getting fired from your job and crossing your fingers that there will be people who agree with you to donate to your GoFundMe.

01:02:22.000 They call you a grifter, yet at the same time, they do literally the same thing, plus they have institutional support.

01:02:27.000 Not only...

01:02:29.000 Do these woke leftists who try and pull some BS at schools. 0.78

01:02:32.000 They've raised $80,000 in several instances.

01:02:35.000 They've raised tens of thousands of dollars.

01:02:37.000 They then get propped up by magazines, by newspapers.

01:02:40.000 These same people can appear on Jimmy Kimmel and these late night shows.

01:02:44.000 They're not going to do that for you.

01:02:45.000 Tucker Carlson will.

01:02:46.000 And then people will get freaked out.

01:02:47.000 So which is easier?

01:02:48.000 You want to talk about the real grift?

01:02:50.000 It's the YouTubers who are on the left.

01:02:52.000 It's the YouTubers who tow the party line and the establishment line, knowing they will never get banned for this, and have nothing to worry about, and can milk it for all it's worth, even when they put out fake news.

01:03:02.000 The real risk?

01:03:04.000 They call it the grift.

01:03:05.000 They're only saying that because they want to stop you dead in your tracks, like Breitbart said.

01:03:09.000 Now, speaking out against the establishment is risky as you can get, because we know people get banned, they get shut down.

01:03:15.000 I mean, GoFundMe froze your account.

01:03:18.000 For for an administrative reason mind you but GoFundMe has deleted the the the fundraisers for many conservatives It's not it's not it's not a grift.

01:03:28.000 Yeah, it's interesting though how it gets framed You're talking about these other youtubers these social justice warriors.

01:03:33.000 They frame it as if they're counterculture they're they're fighting against the power, you know, and it's like they don't I don't know if It's hard for me to believe that they don't understand that they are part of the power, that this is the establishment.

01:03:47.000 They are literally the power.

01:03:49.000 It's like, since when was the group aligned with the major political parties, well, the Democrats at least, and like Coca-Cola, the resistance?

01:04:02.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:04:02.000 You know, Coca-Cola and Nike and, you know, the companies.

01:04:05.000 And the ACLU.

01:04:06.000 I mean, every, just about every major institution in this country and every major news outlet just about mainstream media.

01:04:13.000 I really, really love wokeness in these companies that use slave labor because it's just like, they're like, we're here because we think racism is wrong.

01:04:21.000 Meanwhile, they're literally operating sweatshops that pay like a quarter an hour or whatever, just like awful conditions, hiring paramilitary groups to go in and suppress workers' rights groups in foreign countries.

01:04:33.000 Amazing.

01:04:34.000 Obviously, that's not a principled stance.

01:04:38.000 business tactics.

01:04:40.000 But I mean, I often wonder about, you know, the true believers.

01:04:44.000 I remember at Smith, I could kind of get an I mean, I talked to a lot of people in hallways, but I could kind of if you, you know, you can kind of tell who the true believers are, you kind of just get a vibe.

01:04:55.000 You know, when you're when you're talking about the stuff in the eye contact, some, I think it's a very small percentage.

01:05:01.000 I don't think there are such thing as true believers.

01:05:03.000 Well, Gandhi was.

01:05:04.000 No, no, I think there's just like mindless tribal zealots.

01:05:08.000 And what they really believe is, look, there's nothing to believe in critical race theory.

01:05:13.000 The theory itself makes no sense.

01:05:14.000 I'll give you an example.

01:05:16.000 Six months ago, Asians were white.

01:05:18.000 They were called white adjacent.

01:05:20.000 They were called literally white.

01:05:22.000 The argument was that white is a social structure and not a race.

01:05:26.000 Therefore, Asians were white. 0.84

01:05:28.000 We were joking on this show in response to the narrative.

01:05:30.000 I was double white.

01:05:32.000 Well, then something changed, and now, you know, these hate crimes started happening because of, you know, the COVID stuff, and for a variety of reasons.

01:05:40.000 Now there's the Stop Asian Hate movement, which, good, mind you, I respect that.

01:05:43.000 I think hate crimes are wrong.

01:05:45.000 But now, all of a sudden, Asians are minorities again. 1.00

01:05:47.000 So what happened is you have some individuals, there's one woman who at her, at her school, she's a member of a school board, I think in like Sacramento, was disparaging Asians, calling them racial slurs.

01:05:58.000 Well, because it was allowed in 2016, Asians were white. 0.93

01:06:01.000 Universities were discriminated against them legally because they were overprivileged.

01:06:05.000 Now that that's changed, they're calling for her resignation, but she's a black woman.

01:06:08.000 So there are people like James Lindsay who point out when a black woman is getting canceled for Racism towards Asian, the structure is inverting.

01:06:18.000 It's like collapsing on itself.

01:06:19.000 I don't necessarily think it's collapsing.

01:06:20.000 I think it's just proof that there are literally no ideals or principles, and they can change on a dime to fit the needs of the cult.

01:06:28.000 So they'll say six months ago, well, no, Asians aren't actually minorities.

01:06:32.000 They're privileged white people that make tons of money, and they go to universities.

01:06:36.000 Hate crimes happen.

01:06:37.000 Now it's beneficial to them again.

01:06:39.000 They change the narrative and sacrifice their own zealots who believe their own narratives.

01:06:45.000 So there's no core ideology, there's no true believers, just tribal zealots who will do whatever the tribe says, which is why it's very difficult to interview these people outside of their safe spaces.

01:06:56.000 Do you think that's why... I've been wondering about the popularity of zombie movies for a long time.

01:07:03.000 Right to the analogy.

01:07:04.000 I think I've been wondering, like, why are zombie movies so popular?

01:07:08.000 I started thinking this a few years ago and now I'm like, hmm, maybe it has something to do with this.

01:07:14.000 Deep down they have a desire to just be the zombie.

01:07:17.000 So we all watch zombie movies terrified and they watch it longingly.

01:07:21.000 Like, oh, to be a zombie and just not have a brain anymore and not have to think!

01:07:26.000 The CDC's been putting out zombie stuff about zombies and like, I think it's a dehumanization effort, maybe consciously, maybe subconsciously, I don't know.

01:07:33.000 I think that's a joke. 0.85

01:07:34.000 If people start starving and are on the street eating other human bodies because they're starving to death, and then it's like, it's okay to kill them because they're zombies. 0.99

01:07:42.000 I think CDC is trying to be silly and put out a joke.

01:07:45.000 Like in the Holdemere, in the USSR, in like the 30s or 40s or something, 50s maybe, that people were starving to death and eating humans. 0.80

01:07:54.000 And it was, you know, that happens.

01:07:56.000 So I think that it is a desensitization movement.

01:08:00.000 Maybe not.

01:08:00.000 Maybe it's intentional.

01:08:01.000 I never thought it was before.

01:08:02.000 I think you're reading way too much into it.

01:08:03.000 Yeah, it's so weird that I went so deep on that.

01:08:05.000 I don't know.

01:08:06.000 I think there is something incredibly dehumanizing about CRT.

01:08:10.000 Definitely.

01:08:13.000 It reduces us to racial objects or commodities, even.

01:08:17.000 It treats you like a member of a hive collective that has no individuality.

01:08:23.000 It's really interesting.

01:08:24.000 It's almost like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

01:08:27.000 These people obviously care about themselves.

01:08:31.000 They want power for themselves.

01:08:33.000 But they get sacrificed, like I mentioned, that woman on the school board now being told to resign because of anti-Asian, you know, racism. 1.00

01:08:40.000 They don't care.

01:08:41.000 The Hive will cut off whatever it needs to, to gain power. 0.89

01:08:45.000 So when you join this, you are quite literally a mindless cog, a mindless gnat swarming in the Hive, whose strength is derived from each individual cog.

01:08:57.000 But they'll, they'll swat you and destroy you.

01:08:59.000 I was thinking about... So, well, the interesting thing is, I wonder, I wonder about this, you know.

01:09:04.000 I think there is a, there are a lot of lines as to what divides the culture war.

01:09:09.000 Authoritarian versus Libertarian, Nationalist versus Globalist, Collectivist versus Individualist, and Ideologue versus, like, Pragmatist or things like this.

01:09:18.000 And there's, there's no clear dividing line.

01:09:20.000 They all play a role in this.

01:09:22.000 But I will say, There are many people who are, when you say true believers, I don't think they actually believe in anything other than they're a part of the cult.

01:09:33.000 So that's what I want to clarify.

01:09:35.000 They obviously believe in the cult, but there's no real ideology or principles to believe in.

01:09:40.000 The structure is amorphous and makes little sense. 0.94

01:09:43.000 But they are propped up by cowards, by people who say, I'm going to keep my head down and I'll be fine. 0.94

01:09:50.000 They won't be. 0.98

01:09:51.000 They'll sacrifice their own.

01:09:52.000 Obama called it a circular firing squad.

01:09:54.000 So they're only propped up by two groups of people, in my opinion. 0.97

01:09:59.000 For one, they have their ranks for sure, but the two people are those who are mindless, ignorant to what's going on. 0.96

01:10:04.000 They have no idea. 0.93

01:10:05.000 And so they're just like, I don't know, whatever.

01:10:07.000 You see these people on Twitter saying, cancel culture is not real.

01:10:10.000 And there's like regular people I see like on Instagram, there's a skateboarding account, one of the most prominent in the world called The Barracks.

01:10:18.000 And they tweeted, what are your thoughts on cancel culture?

01:10:20.000 And I saw some like 17 year old kid who's like a skateboarder saying cancel culture is not real.

01:10:24.000 The kid has no idea what he's talking about.

01:10:26.000 His photos were like fishing and skateboarding.

01:10:28.000 Clearly he's not experienced or watched anything that's going on.

01:10:32.000 So he genuinely doesn't believe it.

01:10:33.000 And so he jumps in and defends them. 0.98

01:10:36.000 Ignorantly.

01:10:37.000 But then you have people who know exactly what's happening and are like, well, I'd rather be on this side because I think they're going to win.

01:10:44.000 In the end, they won't, but they're hoping that when the dust settles and the conflict ends, I'll tell you this, These people have one thing right.

01:10:52.000 We, the people who believe in individual liberties and freedoms and civil rights, we're the good guys.

01:10:58.000 Historically, the ones who fought for civil rights, freedom, liberty, etc.

01:11:02.000 have always been the good guys, at least in recent history.

01:11:05.000 And they know, if we win, they'll be fine.

01:11:09.000 What are we gonna do?

01:11:10.000 You know, some woke person comes out and goes, I was wrong about being woke, I'm so sorry.

01:11:15.000 Yep, guess what?

01:11:16.000 All the anti-woke people are gonna be like, thank you.

01:11:18.000 But what happens to the anti-woke should the woke win?

01:11:21.000 What do you think?

01:11:22.000 Yeah, I saw that grimace.

01:11:24.000 Yeah, it's not just what's going to happen to the anti-woke.

01:11:26.000 It's going to happen to the woke, too.

01:11:28.000 Absolutely.

01:11:29.000 We see cultural revolutions.

01:11:30.000 I mean, all the intelligentsia.

01:11:33.000 I'll call this the... It's something I've brought up before.

01:11:36.000 But I'll call it the intersectionalist wager.

01:11:40.000 If you are anti-woke and the anti-woke win, you're fine.

01:11:45.000 If you are woke and the anti-woke win, you are fine.

01:11:50.000 But if you are woke and the woke win, you're at risk, but you're gonna keep your head down and hopefully you'll be safe.

01:11:59.000 But if you're anti-woke and the woke win, they'll come for you and they'll destroy your life.

01:12:04.000 So ultimately you look at this equation and you have many people saying the safer bet is to pretend to be woke because in the event that the anti-woke side wins, they're not going to do anything bad to me.

01:12:15.000 But if you challenge wokeness, the woke will absolutely destroy you. 0.99

01:12:18.000 I think it's a bad bet.

01:12:20.000 I agree.

01:12:21.000 I think more importantly, Whether it's a bad bet or not, I think there's reasons to believe it is.

01:12:28.000 I just think it's morally unsound, and I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

01:12:34.000 And how about another great, great quote from Zapata, or what's his name?

01:12:38.000 Zapato?

01:12:38.000 What's his name?

01:12:40.000 Emilio Zapatista?

01:12:41.000 Oh, that weird last name, yeah.

01:12:42.000 He said, I would rather be a slave to principles than a slave to men.

01:12:48.000 And that guy's a leftist.

01:12:49.000 That guy was a socialist revolutionary.

01:12:51.000 But those quotes are meaningful.

01:12:54.000 So I wonder, will you just bend the knee and be a servant to this cult?

01:13:00.000 You know, I was thinking about identity, because I was talking poorly about it earlier, about like, I'm on the left, I'm a Democrat, whatever.

01:13:07.000 And it's insanity to like, stake who you are based off of some label.

01:13:12.000 But in the same rate, I'm a Crossland.

01:13:15.000 That's my last name.

01:13:16.000 I'm a human.

01:13:17.000 I'm a human.

01:13:18.000 That's an identity.

01:13:19.000 I'm playing identity games when I say I'm a human.

01:13:21.000 Identity is a real thing, dude.

01:13:22.000 Yeah, and it keeps us sane.

01:13:24.000 So these people are like finding sanity in identifying with a group.

01:13:29.000 Now, I think it's too...

01:13:31.000 I think it's too meticulous to say I the color of the skin has starts to have to do with it because I think it's more of a class issue personally like Gandhi.

01:13:38.000 He revolted against the white British imperialist, but he was revolting against the conquest in the capitalizing of his country.

01:13:45.000 It wasn't didn't matter what color the skins were.

01:13:48.000 Now, hopefully, I think we can take that moving forward.

01:13:52.000 I wish I had something more profound to say after that awesome devocation of Gandhi.

01:13:56.000 Listen, when you go back far enough, and nations and cultures were divided by race, like countries were literally a group of people who were one race, it's easy to see how racism emerged.

01:14:07.000 Because they were like, I know who's in my country and who will protect me, and that person looks different.

01:14:13.000 But we're now in an era of, you can fly across the planet in a matter of hours.

01:14:18.000 We live in a country that's the Great American Melting Pot.

01:14:20.000 Martin Luther King Jr.' 's dream was correct. 1.00

01:14:23.000 His point was correct. 0.79

01:14:24.000 The Civil Rights Movement was correct.

01:14:26.000 In order for us to now function in this amazing new reality, we have to treat people, we have to treat them based on the content of their character and the color of their skin.

01:14:38.000 Or their political affiliation.

01:14:40.000 Well, I disagree.

01:14:42.000 I think... Why?

01:14:43.000 Uh, Nazis.

01:14:45.000 Yeah, but not all Nazis were evil. 0.55

01:14:47.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:14:47.000 No, just because they identified with that party didn't make them evil. 0.87

01:14:50.000 Some of them, like, hated the violence.

01:14:52.000 If you are a cog in that machine that is, you know, advocating for genocide, I'm sorry, I'm gonna discriminate against you for your politics.

01:14:59.000 It's like that, you gotta say the Chinese Communist Party.

01:15:01.000 A lot of those people aren't... aren't...

01:15:03.000 Evil or yes, they are stuck in that system.

01:15:06.000 No, no, no, no, no, you join the chinese communist party.

01:15:08.000 You know what they do at threat of gun.

01:15:10.000 No, you don't Regular citizens don't have to join and become party members.

01:15:15.000 Well, the chinese communist party is something they choose to be a part of Listen, I think most politics I can respect within certain boundaries, but there are political factions.

01:15:25.000 I don't care for and i'm not gonna Yeah, true.

01:15:26.000 Good point, good point.

01:15:27.000 I'm talking about the conservative-liberal thing that Ian was referring to earlier, that liberals and maybe conservatives do need to get over.

01:15:34.000 I don't think we have any hope of toppling this woke invasion unless we can link arms with each other.

01:15:44.000 Yeah, I'll double down.

01:15:45.000 I think that maybe the ideology of the Nazi Party is dangerous, but the individuals aren't necessarily just because they affiliate with something.

01:15:52.000 The problem is conservatives are not Nazis, and the woke left and the establishment machine claimed they were, and then they used a very natural predisposition for regular people who hate racism, bigotry, and genocide.

01:16:08.000 You go to a regular person and say, would you link arms with a Nazi, and they're gonna say, no way!

01:16:13.000 And I completely agree!

01:16:15.000 Well, they're afraid of the word Nazi.

01:16:17.000 No, I'm not talking about that.

01:16:18.000 I'm talking about a literal uniform-wearing Nazi. 0.67

01:16:20.000 They don't exist, dude.

01:16:22.000 Okay, Ian. 0.90

01:16:23.000 My point is, there are neo-Nazis with tattoos and swastikas on their chests.

01:16:29.000 I will never join with them in any capacity politically.

01:16:32.000 But you said you were up in Berkeley and you met an Antifa guy?

01:16:36.000 And he was cool?

01:16:36.000 I interviewed a guy about certain things.

01:16:38.000 Yeah, some guy that was Antifa but he actually was cool?

01:16:41.000 So is that Antifa guy advocating for wiping out a people based on their race?

01:16:44.000 Not that guy.

01:16:45.000 But I mean, a lot of those people are dangerous, but not everyone that identifies with Antifa is dangerous.

01:16:51.000 I don't think you understand, and there's no point going in circles, so... Moving on.

01:16:54.000 Yeah, we'll have to do a show on this.

01:16:55.000 The point I'm making is that there are political factions I will never agree with.

01:16:59.000 I think you're taking it too far.

01:17:00.000 That's too extreme.

01:17:00.000 Okay, you go link arms with the Nazis.

01:17:02.000 Congratulations, bro.

01:17:03.000 People can be, look at what's his name, Daryl Davis.

01:17:06.000 People can be retrofitted, dude.

01:17:08.000 There are communists.

01:17:08.000 He got people out of the Klan.

01:17:09.000 There are hard communists and there are neo-Nazis that I'm not going to join.

01:17:14.000 What about Klu Klux Klan?

01:17:15.000 Daryl Davis should have not done what he did.

01:17:17.000 He got people to throw their robes away.

01:17:18.000 Are you saying he joined them in their, no, no, no, no, no.

01:17:21.000 He met with them and talked with them like I did with the alt-right in Portland.

01:17:26.000 I'm not saying go join the Klan.

01:17:27.000 I'm saying we are talking about the individuals in you not understanding the conversation

01:17:32.000 Okay, Jody is talking about linking arms with certain groups to resist wokeness

01:17:37.000 There are the Nazis were had or white identitarians Why would I join identitarians to fight identitarians? 0.55

01:17:43.000 It's never gonna happen.

01:17:44.000 Yeah, it's kind of the similar thing, right?

01:17:46.000 Or let's call it authoritarianism.

01:17:49.000 Well, there's a difference though, right?

01:17:51.000 Well, I'm sure there is, that I don't know, but... Look, there could be libertarian identitarians, and I'm not a fan of their ideology, and I think it's wrong.

01:17:59.000 Granted, I'll give them more respect in not beating and caging and killing people, for sure.

01:18:04.000 The authoritarians are the ones who do that.

01:18:06.000 But identitarianism, in my opinion, is a problem.

01:18:09.000 I agree.

01:18:11.000 I agree it's a problem.

01:18:14.000 I guess, to me, I think this wokeness is a form of authoritarianism.

01:18:23.000 It's clearly to me.

01:18:28.000 And you could argue the same for the Nazis, neo-Nazis, right?

01:18:32.000 That's authoritarianism as well.

01:18:36.000 Anything that's identitarianism, right?

01:18:39.000 Well, you can be a woke and be libertarian in that you would calmly and peacefully advocate for your beliefs and say these things without forcing people, without insulting them, without coercing them or beating them.

01:18:54.000 When you see Antifa, who are identitarian, because Antifa is a nebulous term, when you see leftist identitarian groups going around beating people, and many Antifa are, but the flag is a nebulous reference to communism, then You can have someone... Actually, let me say this, because I've said it before.

01:19:12.000 I met a communist guy in Berkeley, and he told me Antifa was wrong for beating and attacking people, and that true communism would never support that.

01:19:19.000 And I was like, all right, well, there you go.

01:19:21.000 We can break bread and have a conversation.

01:19:22.000 I think his ideology is bad.

01:19:25.000 I think your ideology is bad, but if you're not authoritarian, then we're all right.

01:19:30.000 The problem is communism itself is arguably authoritarian because the libertarian spectrum of the left doesn't scale up into large numbers.

01:19:40.000 Anybody who truly wants a communist society will never implement it without force.

01:19:45.000 It doesn't work.

01:19:46.000 It doesn't scale.

01:19:47.000 So, libertarian versus authoritarian, I think, is a different argument, but a deserving one.

01:19:53.000 You know, authoritarianism is bad.

01:19:54.000 That's the problem.

01:19:56.000 It centralizes power, it corrupts systems, and it causes them to break down, which is why all of these communist countries fail.

01:20:03.000 However, the Chinese Communist Party learned from the failures of these other countries, implemented capitalist policies and institutions to protect their party control and authoritarianism in their country, and they're a weird kind of pseudo-communism, I guess.

01:20:19.000 It's an authoritarian regime.

01:20:20.000 It doesn't matter what you call it, fascist, communist, whatever.

01:20:22.000 It's one-party rule, and they oppress their people to get what they want. 0.75

01:20:26.000 Yeah, and that's why I think the left-right distinction is meaningless when authoritarianism comes to town.

01:20:32.000 Left-right's kind of a luxury of a functioning democracy, or however imperfect.

01:20:39.000 I think it's divide and conquer.

01:20:40.000 Yeah, the communists use it, Mao used it, they talk about rightists a bunch.

01:20:44.000 Really?

01:20:44.000 Mao?

01:20:47.000 When you see conservatives, and, you know, right now there's a big gun control thing going on on Twitter, there was, Kyle Kalinske tweeted a poll about gun control.

01:20:58.000 He was like, gun control, should we have strict regulation, light regulation, no regulation, ban guns?

01:21:03.000 Most of his followers said strict regulation, but a ton of his followers who are leftists said, quote, under no pretext.

01:21:12.000 That is the left, the leftist version of, shall not be infringed.

01:21:16.000 So many people on the right will reference the Second Amendment.

01:21:20.000 The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

01:21:22.000 And they'll quote that and they'll respond to people when talking about gun control.

01:21:25.000 For the leftists, it's Karl Marx who said, under no pretext should ammunition and arms be surrendered.

01:21:30.000 The working class should frustrate any attempt, even by force if necessary. 1.00

01:21:34.000 So the leftists reference Marx saying, don't give up your guns.

01:21:37.000 And the right references the Constitution saying we can keep our guns.

01:21:41.000 And it's interesting then when these two factions could probably agree and have something meaningful linking arms and going against the establishment, the corporatists, the authoritarians.

01:21:51.000 So I look at, you know, I got into a mini-argument with Cameron Caskey, who is one of the Parkland kids, and he's very pro-gun control.

01:21:58.000 But I think the general assessment is he's not really pro-gun control.

01:22:02.000 He's just trolling on Twitter.

01:22:03.000 So I'm like, okay, maybe I walked into that and he was trolling me.

01:22:06.000 But his position is authoritarian right.

01:22:09.000 The seizure of weapons, because even the authoritarian left commies are like pro-gun.

01:22:14.000 There's only one faction.

01:22:15.000 It's like authoritarian centrist and right-leaning that want to take people's guns away.

01:22:19.000 So to see like these establishment personalities basically advocating for authoritarian right-wing positions.

01:22:24.000 Well, there you go.

01:22:25.000 You know what the problem is, I suppose.

01:22:26.000 The left and the right actual, you know, populists and even the Antifa types who are authoritarian all agree we should have our guns.

01:22:34.000 Karl Marx said it.

01:22:35.000 You even got authoritarian left saying people can keep their guns.

01:22:38.000 So how can we make that happen then?

01:22:42.000 I think people can be de-radicalized.

01:22:44.000 I love this Daryl Davis.

01:22:45.000 Are you familiar with his story?

01:22:46.000 No.

01:22:47.000 Was that the movie?

01:22:49.000 I don't think they made a movie out of him.

01:22:50.000 Daryl Davis is a jazz musician.

01:22:52.000 He's a black man.

01:22:53.000 And he went to Klan rallies and then talked to them.

01:22:57.000 And through conversation and being friends, de-radicalized them.

01:23:01.000 Yeah, I know who Daryl Davis is.

01:23:02.000 But he quite literally opposed them every step of the way and was extremely critical of their beliefs.

01:23:06.000 So there's a difference between linking arms with somebody and going to their face and saying, you're wrong, here's why.

01:23:11.000 Yeah, not approaching the crowd, but the individuals.

01:23:14.000 It's a really, really great story.

01:23:15.000 You're gonna love it.

01:23:16.000 Daryl Davis, a black man sitting in a truck with a white Klan member. 0.89

01:23:21.000 And the Klan member made a disparaging comment about the genetics of black people.

01:23:27.000 Darryl Davis told him he was wrong.

01:23:29.000 He was like, that's not true.

01:23:30.000 He's like, I'm not, I'm not the way you describe, you know, black people. 0.87

01:23:34.000 And he said the Klan member told him, oh, it's because your, your genes are recessive. 0.94

01:23:37.000 So then Darryl looks at the Klan member and says, did you know that there's a gene in white people to make them predisposed to be serial killers?

01:23:44.000 And the Klan member was like, what?

01:23:45.000 That's not true. 0.99

01:23:46.000 And Darryl said, name a black serial killer. 0.95

01:23:49.000 And then the clan guy was like, wait a minute. 0.94

01:23:51.000 And then he was like, but I'm not a serial killer.

01:23:53.000 And then Daryl responded, oh, it's recessive in you.

01:23:56.000 And it was a really great smackdown of this guy who didn't quite understand what he was talking about.

01:24:01.000 And then that guy, that's, that's one of Daryl Davis's stories through conversations, telling these guys you are wrong.

01:24:07.000 One of the, one of the most amazing stories he had.

01:24:09.000 was that he met this Klan member who was a big rock and roll fan.

01:24:12.000 And there was this famous car, I guess.

01:24:14.000 I don't know a lot about the cars.

01:24:16.000 And Daryl, being a well-known musician, was like, oh yeah, I can get you to go and check out that car.

01:24:21.000 I can get you into that museum or whatever to see it and sit in it or whatever.

01:24:24.000 And this Klan guy all of a sudden was like, no way.

01:24:27.000 Daryl brings him to this, I guess it was a museum or whatever, and he gets to see this legendary vehicle from a rock and roll legend.

01:24:32.000 And this Klan guy just had this profound moment where he was like, I can't believe it. 0.64

01:24:36.000 You know, everything they were telling us was not true.

01:24:39.000 Daryl Davis just did this, like, made his life, like, it was a dream come true.

01:24:42.000 And it was, you know, a black guy who did it. 0.93

01:24:45.000 The racist narratives are lies. 0.95

01:24:47.000 And so I challenge, I question anybody who's trying to divide us and make us fight each other.

01:24:52.000 And I really do think a large component is powerful special interests, elites, billionaires, the billionaires and the millionaires, who have an interest in making us fight each other instead of them.

01:25:03.000 When they're dumping hundreds of millions of dollars, like Tom Steyer, into our elections to subvert our rights. 0.68

01:25:08.000 And he did.

01:25:09.000 Steyer was flooding the zone with all this money to strip away our right to bear arms.

01:25:13.000 And leftists and conservatives agree we have a right to do that.

01:25:17.000 That's the problem.

01:25:18.000 Bernie's right about that.

01:25:19.000 I wish he was more vocal on the millionaires part.

01:25:20.000 I guess he's bringing it back.

01:25:22.000 But that story you told, I mean, Daryl Davis, that was an individual, those were individual conversations.

01:25:28.000 It's not like he was up in front of a group trying to convince the whole group.

01:25:32.000 The part of it is getting people out of the, you called it a cult, getting them alone, I guess, and developing a relation, humanizing Humanizing the other side.

01:25:45.000 I do this, right?

01:25:45.000 It's a non-theistic religion.

01:25:47.000 So when I was talking to James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, and Helen Pluckrose a few years ago when they did the Sokol

01:25:52.000 Squared thing, and the way Peter Boghossian described it was, it's a

01:25:55.000 religion, and when people said there's no deity, and he says,

01:25:58.000 Buddhism doesn't have a deity either.

01:26:00.000 So it's a non-theistic religion. They've been... 0.88

01:26:03.000 They follow, it's very similar.

01:26:05.000 They have, you know, they shun the disbelievers. 1.00

01:26:07.000 There's some form of confession, I guess, that doesn't seem to work.

01:26:11.000 Original sin.

01:26:12.000 Yeah, there's original sin.

01:26:13.000 Privilege.

01:26:14.000 I got a feeling it's like a dam built up with like this energy flow that's blockaded by this like racist ideology.

01:26:21.000 And if you chip away at it piece by piece, like person by person and have the conversations, eventually it cracks and Bursts open and there'll be a flood of like this energy that we're trying to free this.

01:26:31.000 Yeah.

01:26:31.000 It's like a house of cards.

01:26:32.000 Like it just pull out a few.

01:26:37.000 Is that what you're talking about?

01:26:38.000 Yeah.

01:26:38.000 You know what the problem is?

01:26:39.000 We're the good guys.

01:26:40.000 We're playing by the rules.

01:26:42.000 We're trying to be honest.

01:26:43.000 We're trying to recognize our own faults.

01:26:45.000 And our goodwill is being exploited by con artists, deceivers, manipulators, and zealots.

01:26:51.000 They can cheat because they don't care.

01:26:53.000 To them, the ends justify the means.

01:26:55.000 To us, we're trying to create a better world so they can exploit that goodwill.

01:26:58.000 They can exploit free speech.

01:26:59.000 For instance, I, for instance, have defended the free speech of the left and the right.

01:27:04.000 And I love it when they post, we're all the conservatives defending the free speech of, you know, the BDS movement. 0.52

01:27:08.000 And I'm like, I'm right here.

01:27:09.000 I'm, I'm, you know, or I'm, I'm the free speech individual, not, not the conservative or anything, but they don't, they don't return the same favor.

01:27:17.000 When a good example, when a journalist at the New York times was being heavily criticized by all these outlets, the media calls it a harassment campaign.

01:27:26.000 When the same media then targets our harassment campaign against conservative individuals, they all laugh and gloat.

01:27:32.000 So I can sit here and be like, stop name-dropping people to drive, you know, a flood of emails their way.

01:27:39.000 It's a waste of time.

01:27:39.000 Criticize the institutions.

01:27:41.000 It's meaningless to them.

01:27:43.000 They don't care.

01:27:43.000 They're not going to praise me.

01:27:44.000 They're not going to respect me for doing that.

01:27:46.000 But I do it because it's the right thing to do.

01:27:48.000 They won't return that, which means we are at a very serious disadvantage.

01:27:52.000 Yeah, it's an information war, really.

01:27:56.000 I like internet video because you can reach individuals in mass.

01:28:00.000 Yeah, the video I made did very well in terms of views.

01:28:06.000 A lot of people saw it and resonated with it, and I'm very happy that I hear from people now who are saying, you know, that helped me.

01:28:17.000 And I don't think everyone can just wake up and make a video, but I always tell people Part of what Helen Pluckrose is doing right with counterweight support, this is an organization in the UK that helps people affected by woke ideology in their workplace or their school, is that she has a community there where people can talk to other people and essentially deprogram.

01:28:41.000 Because when you're in an environment where you're sitting at a table and somebody says, you know, rich white women, rich white women, and nobody says anything, You kind of think maybe I'm crazy.

01:28:52.000 Maybe you start to doubt what's reality, what's real, and you start to think, am I racist because I think that's unprofessional?

01:29:02.000 I think it's really important to find at least one other person you can talk to to get a reality check.

01:29:08.000 Counterweight does that really well.

01:29:10.000 I think we need more ways to find each other.

01:29:13.000 So when people do speak out, they become like lightning rods, you know, like emails pour in.

01:29:18.000 Jonathan Kaye, the Quillette journalist, was talking about this, about how whenever he publishes an article about higher education, all these faculty and students write to him and say, hey, here's my story and I can't and I'm afraid.

01:29:31.000 And so it's like they need a way to find each other, like instead of just going, To the one person who spoke out. We don't have any

01:29:39.000 infrastructure to support. I mean our entire infrastructure has been captured

01:29:43.000 We don't have any infrastructure to support These people

01:29:47.000 And and that's part that's a major problem. We're starting to it's starting to get built

01:29:51.000 It's starting to get built Yeah.

01:29:53.000 Decentralized too, so that central servers can't shut you down.

01:29:57.000 Because that stuff, if it threatens the narrative, they'll try and pull the plug.

01:29:59.000 Yeah, I heard about that.

01:30:00.000 There's somebody working on some software.

01:30:02.000 There's a lot of cool stuff.

01:30:03.000 We're working on RSS3.

01:30:04.000 There's PocketNet is doing stuff.

01:30:06.000 Yeah, they sponsor the show periodically.

01:30:08.000 Very cool decentralized apps.

01:30:09.000 Mines has something called Nomad that's kind of a project that Mines is working on.

01:30:14.000 There's a lot.

01:30:15.000 I mean, the decentralized movement is huge right now.

01:30:18.000 That's going to be very helpful.

01:30:20.000 ISPs are still centralized, which is a problem.

01:30:22.000 So we'll have to eventually build a decentralized ISP, Internet Service Provider.

01:30:26.000 I think the infrastructure gets built when we get people to just stand up for themselves and start building it.

01:30:32.000 And so long as there are people who are cowering in fear, understanding what's happening, but not wanting to stick their necks out, then, you know, there you go.

01:30:39.000 Another good one's Odyssey.

01:30:41.000 It's like a decentralized data flow service.

01:30:43.000 They specialize in video right now.

01:30:45.000 It's, it's, it's almost like, it's like the matrix.

01:30:47.000 In a lot of ways.

01:30:48.000 How can we get more people to stand out?

01:30:49.000 I know Aaron Kinsvater, Kinsvater, Kinsvater.

01:30:53.000 I'm friends with him.

01:30:54.000 I don't know how to pronounce.

01:30:55.000 Sorry, Aaron.

01:30:57.000 Yeah, the professor of faculty at University of Vermont.

01:30:59.000 He made a video recently talking about it.

01:31:02.000 He calling it a secular religion.

01:31:04.000 Yeah.

01:31:05.000 And I'm just... Now they're demanding his resignation.

01:31:08.000 Yeah, there was it.

01:31:08.000 Well, there was a change.org petition going around.

01:31:12.000 But then somebody, Karlyn Borysenko, started another one calling for him to be to have the job of the diversity, inclusion, equity czar or whatever.

01:31:21.000 I mean, the diversity, inclusivity and equity position is itself like a chaplain.

01:31:28.000 It's like these institutions are appointing religious affirmation officials to these organizations.

01:31:36.000 I'm guessing they probably very well paid.

01:31:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:40.000 The religion is infecting these institutions and they're creating jobs for them and people don't resist. 0.99

01:31:46.000 They're just allowing their religion to sweep over. 0.99

01:31:47.000 The best way I can find to help to bring light to these people is to play the long game like the Chinese Communist Party or other intelligent long-term, but like you got to make videos every day.

01:31:57.000 I would do two, three videos a day.

01:31:59.000 You start to build this following of people that are really listening to you and then you have the opportunity to bring other people in.

01:32:04.000 Like what Tim's doing with this show.

01:32:06.000 And start talking on air, like on the video.

01:32:10.000 Yeah.

01:32:10.000 And you find people like you that are experiencing it firsthand and you shine a light on it.

01:32:15.000 And then it just grows so fast.

01:32:17.000 Like people like boots on the ground, like other, like giving them a platform and making them feel supported.

01:32:24.000 Not just that, but one of the things we're working on outside of this show is we're planning the vlog, which is going to be a vlog of the house and crazy shenanigans.

01:32:32.000 And we got chickens and they're small.

01:32:34.000 Skateboarding.

01:32:36.000 Skateboarding and now rollerblading as well for the aggressive inline people who have been asking us about wanting to come.

01:32:41.000 Absolutely.

01:32:42.000 You're all invited.

01:32:42.000 And BMX too.

01:32:43.000 BMX too.

01:32:44.000 I want to make this a fun place for everybody to come and periodically enjoy various things.

01:32:49.000 Music, comedy, whatever it is for building culture, we're going to do that kind of stuff so that people can have an opportunity to build culture and show people, the other side of that fire, we're having a good time.

01:33:00.000 You guys go get locked down in your cubicle apartments in New York City and drop to your knees and pray to your woke diversity, inclusivity, and equity officer.

01:33:11.000 And we're going to be rocking out some old school rock and roll, and writing new music, and baking bread, chickens are going to be everywhere, clucking and jumping, and there's cats doing cat stuff.

01:33:22.000 We're going to be doing tray flips, and tail whips, and macchio grinds or whatever, and just having a good time.

01:33:29.000 I must say, I forgot what it was like to be able to talk with people openly.

01:33:36.000 I've made so many friends since I came out.

01:33:42.000 I lost a lot of friends.

01:33:43.000 You can watch George Carlin again.

01:33:46.000 I can do whatever I want.

01:33:48.000 How's your state of mind shifting?

01:33:50.000 You mentioned earlier.

01:33:50.000 That is a good question.

01:33:53.000 When I made that first video, it was just such a relief.

01:33:56.000 And I think about my uncle.

01:34:02.000 It's a sad story. 0.99

01:34:03.000 He's gay. 0.99

01:34:05.000 He's dead now, but he was gay and he had a family.

01:34:11.000 He was married and had children and he didn't actually come out until he was like in his 60s.

01:34:18.000 And he was so much happier to me.

01:34:23.000 And it kind of feels maybe like that.

01:34:27.000 Like it just felt like I cannot.

01:34:29.000 Yeah, probably.

01:34:30.000 going to get I cannot over emphasize that.

01:34:31.000 Yeah. They're going to be like, how dare you compare being anti woke to.

01:34:35.000 But I hear you.

01:34:38.000 That's not I think you're I agree with you.

01:34:40.000 Yeah. I mean, coming out of the secret that the telling yourself that the internal policing

01:34:45.000 causes great psychic damage.

01:34:47.000 And and I not doing that anymore.

01:34:50.000 And I Somebody said something about totalitarianism, that it's not a top-down movement, that it's a bottoms-up, that people start internally policing themselves first, and then somebody just steps in.

01:35:04.000 That's how it happens, and that's what I was doing.

01:35:07.000 I was internally policing myself, and it's very damaging.

01:35:10.000 I mean, a lot of people in the Cultural Revolution, we had a lot of suicides.

01:35:13.000 And in Soviet Russia, too, like a lot of people committed suicide.

01:35:17.000 They went crazy.

01:35:18.000 This stuff, even in their own family, they're like worried.

01:35:21.000 People have to stand up now before it's too late.

01:35:23.000 And hopefully speaking up is, you know, the first thing.

01:35:27.000 Hopefully we're not too late.

01:35:29.000 There's some there's some news stories that make me optimistic.

01:35:32.000 Sometimes I'm pessimistic.

01:35:33.000 But when you look at them eating themselves, they're looking for things to cancel, start canceling each other.

01:35:38.000 You know, I think I'm fairly optimistic.

01:35:40.000 But how about we jump over to these super chats?

01:35:42.000 What do you guys say?

01:35:43.000 If you haven't already, smash the like button because it really does help.

01:35:46.000 Subscribe to the channel, hit the notification bell, and share the show if you really like it.

01:35:50.000 Leave us a good review on iTunes and Spotify if you have not done that already.

01:35:53.000 It really does help.

01:35:54.000 And did I say smash the like button?

01:35:56.000 Definitely.

01:35:57.000 All right, we got this from Matthew Hammond.

01:35:58.000 He says, why is it taking so long to hire people for the Timcast site?

01:36:02.000 Carl at the Lotus Eaters is hiring people in a complete lockdown in the UK.

01:36:05.000 It's not taking a long time.

01:36:06.000 We've hired, I think, three people in the past like month and a half.

01:36:09.000 Yeah, you just can't see them, I guess.

01:36:12.000 Yeah, there's like a dozen employees now at this company.

01:36:14.000 We're growing like crazy.

01:36:16.000 We got a lot coming.

01:36:17.000 A lot more people.

01:36:18.000 We are narrowing down our search for a paranormal podcast producer, so a new show.

01:36:24.000 Paranormal?

01:36:25.000 Yes!

01:36:25.000 Yeah, I mean we talked about DMT and God and all that stuff way too much

01:36:29.000 but we're gonna be talking about ghost stories and theories and I really want to get academics and I want to have like

01:36:35.000 researchers in the paranormal legitimate academic university researchers who are not the kooky TV show types

01:36:42.000 So we're doing all that stuff and it's actually it's actually happening. The new site might be up even by the

01:36:48.000 end of this week And then with the new site, we're gonna bring on writers, and there's gonna start being articles on, you know, moderate, liberal, cultural commentary from other people.

01:36:59.000 So it's going to be, like, there's so many conservative sites, like the Daily Wire, the Daily Caller, the Blaze.

01:37:05.000 Where's, like, the anti-woke, anti-establishment, liberal version for, like, regular, moderate individuals?

01:37:11.000 Well, hopefully, I think we'll actually put that together, and, you know, we'll see how it rolls.

01:37:15.000 Christina H says Tim has inspired me to get chickens.

01:37:18.000 We did in fact get chickens.

01:37:19.000 I love the chickens.

01:37:21.000 I hung out today for the first time So we have the chicken city, but right now they're confined to one building in the chicken city because they're still very small And we're just getting them used to it.

01:37:29.000 So I'm gonna go check on them afterwards make sure they're okay We've got some motion sensor lights to scare away predators.

01:37:34.000 We've got the fence double layered Might not be enough.

01:37:38.000 Still gonna be nervous.

01:37:39.000 Yeah, we're still worried.

01:37:40.000 Really?

01:37:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:41.000 Coyotes, raccoons.

01:37:42.000 We were feeding them bugs earlier.

01:37:43.000 Yes.

01:37:44.000 It's hardcore.

01:37:45.000 They're great.

01:37:46.000 They're omnivorous, but man, they will rip bugs apart.

01:37:49.000 Stink bugs are everywhere.

01:37:51.000 Stink bugs are all over the place. 0.98

01:37:53.000 They're invasive, they're massive, and they're everywhere, and they're really dumb and slow, but apparently the chickens just, they see it, and they can see the bug before I can. 0.98

01:38:00.000 It's amazing. 0.96

01:38:01.000 And they just zoom at it.

01:38:02.000 And they all fight over it.

01:38:03.000 Yeah.

01:38:03.000 I wonder if we made like tracks, if they would go on a chicken race with the one in the lead with the bug in his mouth, like running circles around.

01:38:11.000 That'd be so fun.

01:38:12.000 I already have a favorite.

01:38:14.000 They're so cute.

01:38:15.000 Oh, here we go.

01:38:16.000 Zachary Bird says, ban Dodge Ram 2500s.

01:38:19.000 Vehicle of choice for DUIs.

01:38:23.000 4.95% source in Certify.com.

01:38:26.000 Moms demand high capacity DUI vehicles control now. 0.77

01:38:29.000 All white men own large trucks. 0.91

01:38:31.000 I actually have a RAM 2500.

01:38:34.000 Oh, it's nice.

01:38:36.000 We got it because we're going to be going on tour.

01:38:38.000 And the plan is at some point to take an RV.

01:38:41.000 So we do this show on the road in a variety of cities.

01:38:43.000 We stay in one city for a week.

01:38:45.000 Then Friday night, we do a live show at a venue.

01:38:47.000 We do the podcast in an actual venue with the audience and they can, you know, yell things or whatever.

01:38:53.000 And then we can yell back.

01:38:54.000 Oh, that sounds awesome.

01:38:57.000 Yeah, so we're thinking right now the plan is for the first trip is going to be Nashville for one week, then we travel over the weekend to Austin, then back to Nashville and then back home because we're on the East Coast.

01:39:07.000 And then from then on we'll try like Florida and we'll slowly branch out.

01:39:12.000 And we stay a week in that city so we can get a variety of guests from the area.

01:39:18.000 So Nashville works out really well.

01:39:19.000 There's tons of daily wires there I guess, but then there's a lot of people in Nashville so that'll be really fun.

01:39:24.000 Alright, let's see.

01:39:25.000 Absolutely.

01:39:27.000 Erica Baum says, high five Tim for doing real conversation.

01:39:30.000 I know you have your own opinions here, but this is some of the truest journalism type

01:39:33.000 stuff we have.

01:39:34.000 Absolutely.

01:39:35.000 Yeah, I mean, hopefully, you know, you got to say everything you wanted to say so far

01:39:40.000 and telling your story and everything like that and people can understand what's happening.

01:39:45.000 Chris Debon says, Tim, you are wrong about seceding.

01:39:48.000 West and Northeast coast states with disproportionate control house all comp institutions and corporations, allowing CCP infection to spread.

01:39:56.000 Infection is too bad.

01:39:57.000 We must amputate.

01:39:59.000 I, you know, I mentioned this in my main segment today about Biden issuing sanctions on China.

01:40:04.000 I'm happy that he's doing something.

01:40:06.000 Hopefully it's enough.

01:40:07.000 I don't know if it will be, but I think if the U.S.

01:40:09.000 breaks apart, China wins. 0.99

01:40:10.000 And they're authoritarians and they got concentration camps and that's going to be a nightmare for the rest of the world.

01:40:14.000 So I'm not a fan of that.

01:40:15.000 I got criticism for Biden, but if he does something that's good, I'm not going to rag on him for it.

01:40:19.000 I'm going to give him credit where credit is due.

01:40:22.000 Memotype says, sup Tim, Ian, Lydia.

01:40:24.000 Heart the show.

01:40:25.000 Just joined on the members page and love the UFO talk with Chrissy.

01:40:28.000 If you're into that stuff, look at missing 411.

01:40:31.000 Researched by former detective David Paulides.

01:40:34.000 Ongoing thing with people going missing.

01:40:36.000 Very mysterious.

01:40:36.000 Ooh, I will check that out.

01:40:37.000 That's very fun.

01:40:39.000 Thank you.

01:40:42.000 Cousin William says a rap is no more than a chant and has been going on in every culture forever and a day. 0.90

01:40:47.000 Yeah, it's gross.

01:40:47.000 Well, not anymore.

01:40:48.000 Amen.

01:40:49.000 And now it's racist.

01:40:50.000 It's like vocal drumbeats with language.

01:40:52.000 Oh yeah.

01:40:54.000 William Martin says, Hey Tim, with gun control back in full swing, have you thought about having Colleen Noir or someone like that on the show?

01:41:03.000 Also, have you ever looked into John Lovell from the Warrior Poet Society Network?

01:41:07.000 I think they would both be great guests.

01:41:09.000 Yeah, we'd love to have Colleen Noir on. 0.97

01:41:11.000 I wonder why we haven't.

01:41:12.000 Maybe we should need to reach out to him.

01:41:13.000 Maybe he's not available.

01:41:14.000 I don't know.

01:41:14.000 We'll figure it out.

01:41:16.000 He's busy.

01:41:17.000 He's busy.

01:41:17.000 There you go.

01:41:18.000 He's super busy.

01:41:18.000 Yeah, he has like an open invitation.

01:41:20.000 We're gonna make it happen.

01:41:23.000 All right.

01:41:23.000 Let's see.

01:41:24.000 Shane Kerwood says, let's set her up y'all.

01:41:27.000 F Smith.

01:41:27.000 Wish I could give more, but still got bills to pay.

01:41:30.000 Well, yes, there's a, there's a GoFundMe for, uh, what's the title of the GoFundMe?

01:41:36.000 It's help Jodi Shaw with legal and living expenses. 0.98

01:41:39.000 Just Google Jodi Shaw and GoFundMe.

01:41:41.000 You'll find it.

01:41:42.000 Thank you.

01:41:44.000 Thank you so much.

01:41:46.000 JP253 says, started watching daily after Crowder's election stream.

01:41:51.000 You, Crowder, Shapiro, and Bongino are who I listen to daily.

01:41:54.000 Just joined Timcast today.

01:41:55.000 You need to have JP Sears awaken with JP or Colleen Noir.

01:41:58.000 They're both very busy.

01:42:00.000 Look, one of the biggest challenges with people who have their own shows is they have their own shows.

01:42:04.000 They don't need to come on this show.

01:42:05.000 I mean, it would be great for us, but, you know, they're doing their thing.

01:42:08.000 And I love, I love the idea.

01:42:09.000 It's like watching me, Crowder, Shapiro, and Bongino.

01:42:11.000 I'm pretty sure I have very different opinions from like the three of those.

01:42:14.000 And I think Crowder, Shapiro, and Bongino have similar opinions, but I think that's the important thing.

01:42:19.000 That's, that's fantastic.

01:42:20.000 It's funny when they try and claim I'm a conservative and it's like, they watch the show and Tim Pool rags about how like the weed attacks the rich or something.

01:42:27.000 It's like, I'm pretty sure that's not a conservative opinion.

01:42:29.000 What'd you say?

01:42:29.000 How the weed attacks the rich?

01:42:30.000 How we need to tax the rich.

01:42:32.000 I would love to see you on with Crowder.

01:42:34.000 Yeah, I've been on Crowder several times.

01:42:35.000 All-star and bad.

01:42:37.000 Yeah, and it's funny because he's like, you know, Tim Pool, you love him or you hate him.

01:42:40.000 And I'm like, well, that's fair.

01:42:42.000 I think Crowder's great.

01:42:44.000 I think he's made some really offensive comedy, but it's weird how like, you know, Media Matters went after him because he did this segment they called really racist.

01:42:52.000 And I'm like, what was the difference between what he did and what Family Guy does literally every single day when I watch Family Guy?

01:42:58.000 It's a cartoon, basically.

01:42:59.000 I mean it.

01:42:59.000 It's like a free pass.

01:43:00.000 Family guy's jokes are 10 times more racist than anything Crowder's ever done.

01:43:06.000 And they're just jokes.

01:43:07.000 They're like, people poke the bear.

01:43:09.000 They try to be offensive for like, you know, whatever.

01:43:12.000 But it's political, that's why.

01:43:13.000 It's because Crowder does political commentary and that's an issue for them.

01:43:18.000 Steven Decker says, what you're doing is awesome, Jody.

01:43:20.000 Is there anyone working on behalf of the security guard and custodians who had their lives ruined?

01:43:26.000 That crazy, word I can't say on Timcast, woman who started this should be sued to oblivion. 1.00

01:43:31.000 Yes, actually very exciting.

01:43:33.000 The Woodson Center, Bob Woodson is a civil rights era civil rights leader.

01:43:39.000 He marched for civil rights for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and he just sent a letter to President Kathleen McCartney.

01:43:49.000 she's the president of Smith College, signed by 44 black intellectuals and leaders from

01:43:54.000 across the country, asking her to stop the CRT stuff, apologize publicly to these employees

01:44:01.000 that have been hurt, and to make them whole.

01:44:04.000 And so, and he also in the letter asked, they also asked her to provide evidence because

01:44:10.000 she's claiming that in response to the New York Times, there was a New York Times article,

01:44:13.000 she's claiming that there's a reason why we have to keep doing these racial justice initiatives 0.95

01:44:19.000 and she named all these racial disparities.

01:44:21.000 And so Bob Woodson, his letter said, OK, what you're talking about, where's the evidence?

01:44:26.000 We would like to see some evidence.

01:44:28.000 So I'm waiting to see how she's going to respond to this letter, if she's going to respond to it.

01:44:33.000 A Kafka trap? 0.83

01:44:35.000 Those who demand evidence are just white supremacists trying to protect themselves. 0.87

01:44:39.000 That's your proof. 0.93

01:44:41.000 Well, that's the problem, right?

01:44:41.000 It's an attack on, it's an attack on evidence.

01:44:44.000 Yes.

01:44:44.000 They don't believe in evidence.

01:44:46.000 The word justice is like being, being twisted.

01:44:49.000 That word justice.

01:44:50.000 Yeah.

01:44:50.000 He said that actually to me, he's like, this is a perversion of civil justice, of civil rights.

01:44:55.000 That's what he said.

01:44:56.000 A perversion.

01:44:57.000 Yeah.

01:44:58.000 Sine Castro says, have you guys considered having Dennis Prager on?

01:45:01.000 Um, yeah, I'd love to have Dennis Prager on, but he seems like a bit of a big fish.

01:45:05.000 There are a lot of people I'd love to have on the show as well, but like the most prominent figures in politics.

01:45:10.000 Hey man, they're welcome.

01:45:12.000 Donald Trump.

01:45:12.000 How about him too?

01:45:13.000 Come on over.

01:45:14.000 He did, he did a Lisa Booth's podcast.

01:45:16.000 He emailed me about it and I was like, wow, that's really great.

01:45:18.000 Good for her.

01:45:19.000 That's awesome.

01:45:19.000 That's it.

01:45:20.000 Hopefully it was a good interview.

01:45:21.000 I'd love to interview Trump.

01:45:22.000 Cause it'd be a really weird interview.

01:45:23.000 You'd probably get mad at me.

01:45:25.000 Like, I voted for you, but here are the things I'm mad about.

01:45:29.000 I'd have to give him a compliment sandwich, where I'm like, I know the media is lying about so much.

01:45:34.000 I like this stuff.

01:45:35.000 Now here are the things I don't like, but don't forget I do like this one.

01:45:37.000 He's so candid.

01:45:38.000 Like, I want to get him just chilling.

01:45:40.000 Like, the three of, like, just hang out for a minute so people can see who you really are, dude.

01:45:44.000 Just relax.

01:45:45.000 He's a busy guy.

01:45:46.000 Like, get the joy back into it.

01:45:47.000 On Rogan.

01:45:48.000 Yeah.

01:45:48.000 It'd be so great.

01:45:49.000 Yeah, he still will be.

01:45:50.000 Yeah, it'd be so great.

01:45:51.000 Yeah, he still still will be.

01:45:52.000 Maybe now is the right time for Joe to have him on.

01:45:55.000 I wonder if you would actually do it, though. I think Trump doesn't care,

01:45:59.000 man.

01:46:00.000 All right.

01:46:01.000 Nadia Shawori no more says, my siblings and I are all Mexican, but only I look it. 0.79

01:46:05.000 My bro was talking to his Latino friend, jokingly calling each other.

01:46:09.000 I'll just say offensive word. 0.84

01:46:10.000 I don't know if YouTube allows me to say that a girl told me the, uh, a girl told the admin, my bro was white saying it.

01:46:17.000 He tried to explain, but Edmonds and my brother doesn't look it.

01:46:19.000 So stop.

01:46:19.000 Whoa.

01:46:22.000 Yeah, I don't know how the rules work, whatever.

01:46:25.000 You just can't do it if you're not in the tribe.

01:46:26.000 If you're in the tribe, you get away with whatever you want. 0.84

01:46:28.000 Whatever you want.

01:46:28.000 Wow.

01:46:29.000 Yeah, I like that.

01:46:30.000 But don't get too hung up on it, because it's still a label.

01:46:32.000 We should start pushing for calling each other Americans.

01:46:34.000 Hear, hear, good sir.

01:46:35.000 Wow, yeah, I like that.

01:46:38.000 But don't get too hung up on it, because it's still a label.

01:46:40.000 It's still an identity politic thing.

01:46:42.000 Christopher O'Reilly says, Hey Tim, you should read the 5,000 year leap by Cleon Skousen,

01:46:47.000 then talk about it.

01:46:48.000 First time giving, please read.

01:46:50.000 Also, love from Wisconsin.

01:46:52.000 Right on.

01:46:53.000 We'll check it out.

01:46:55.000 All right, let's see.

01:46:56.000 Keep up the good work.

01:46:57.000 Appreciate the super chat.

01:46:59.000 Slanty Chauffeur Bear says, when you look at original print pre-1900, 1950s books, you'll find the Dark Ages described as everything B.C.

01:47:08.000 before Christ and the Enlightenment.

01:47:09.000 The Age of Reason was is everything.

01:47:11.000 A.D.

01:47:12.000 N.O.

01:47:13.000 Dominy.

01:47:14.000 Interesting, I didn't know that.

01:47:16.000 John Baloo says, there was a comedian in the early 90s that said, the only people you can make fun of is white Protestant males because they're the only ones that don't have a group to come after you.

01:47:25.000 So true today.

01:47:27.000 I mean, they do.

01:47:29.000 And what was the clan?

01:47:31.000 Were they Catholic or what was their religion?

01:47:33.000 I don't know.

01:47:34.000 Were they Protestant?

01:47:35.000 Yeah, probably.

01:47:37.000 All right, let's see.

01:47:38.000 Divisive Software says, Hey Tim, love the show.

01:47:43.000 Probably a faux pas, but yesterday a dude shouted out his podcast in super chat.

01:47:46.000 Thought I'd try.

01:47:47.000 I put a game on Steam three years ago called Holnglide.

01:47:52.000 Is that what it says?

01:47:53.000 Holnglide?

01:47:53.000 Yeah.

01:47:54.000 I've only sold 22 copies, lol.

01:47:55.000 You could revive it.

01:47:56.000 Sorry if this is cringe.

01:47:57.000 Really love the show.

01:47:58.000 Thanks.

01:47:59.000 Not cringe, dude.

01:48:00.000 That was awesome.

01:48:01.000 I'm gonna try it.

01:48:02.000 What's it?

01:48:02.000 How do you spell it?

01:48:04.000 H-O-L-O-N-G-L-I-D-E. 1.00

01:48:06.000 That's right, right?

01:48:07.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:48:08.000 Holnglide.

01:48:09.000 What's the game like?

01:48:10.000 I'm interested.

01:48:11.000 I'm always looking for new games because I get really bored of games real quick.

01:48:13.000 Yeah, I got like 800 games on Steam.

01:48:15.000 I just play Skater XL now.

01:48:16.000 It's a skateboarding game.

01:48:18.000 I'm playing Caves of Qud lately.

01:48:21.000 Caves of Qud?

01:48:22.000 I don't know how to pronounce Q. Why don't you play Howling Glide?

01:48:25.000 I'll check it out.

01:48:25.000 He only sold 22 copies.

01:48:27.000 Maybe he'll sell more.

01:48:28.000 It better be a good game!

01:48:30.000 I'm picky.

01:48:31.000 I need quality.

01:48:32.000 If I could read every super chat, then people would get shout outs all the time, but we can only read the money.

01:48:37.000 Oh, what good marketing.

01:48:38.000 Gerg C says Razor Fist, ask him on.

01:48:40.000 Yeah, I'd love to have Razor Fist, he's cool.

01:48:43.000 Loud.

01:48:44.000 All right, let's see.

01:48:46.000 Andrew Matina says, Jody, not to mention names, but years back you were booked at a music festival I spearheaded in upstate New York.

01:48:52.000 Love your music and I love your cause, and you swim pretty good too.

01:48:56.000 Is all of that true?

01:48:57.000 Yes, it is.

01:48:58.000 Very cool.

01:48:59.000 Who is that?

01:49:00.000 Andrew Matina?

01:49:03.000 Oh, thanks, Andrew.

01:49:05.000 You were booked to the show?

01:49:06.000 Yeah.

01:49:07.000 Do you play instruments?

01:49:08.000 Yes, I do.

01:49:09.000 Which ones?

01:49:10.000 I play piano and guitar, and I sing, and I just learned how to play drums.

01:49:14.000 She rapped earlier.

01:49:15.000 Oh, she did.

01:49:16.000 It was cool.

01:49:17.000 And everybody.

01:49:17.000 I enjoyed it.

01:49:19.000 Nice.

01:49:21.000 Talent.

01:49:24.000 All right.

01:49:25.000 Mr. Big says, Tim, nobody views themselves as the villain.

01:49:28.000 Some of history's worst leaders saw themselves as liberators and saviors.

01:49:32.000 That's absolutely true.

01:49:34.000 Yeah.

01:49:36.000 All right, let's see.

01:49:38.000 Ian Tifa.

01:49:39.000 Oh, I've heard it before.

01:49:40.000 Ian Tifa.

01:49:42.000 Much love.

01:49:42.000 Is this a regular- If you read the chat, yeah.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, this is their meme, yeah.

01:49:47.000 There's some smart people in there.

01:49:49.000 All right, let's see what we got.

01:49:51.000 Ian Tifa, that was funny.

01:49:55.000 Okay, someone says the Klan was massively anti-Catholic.

01:50:00.000 Okay, I knew Catholic was related to them in some way.

01:50:02.000 I got it way wrong though, so I apologize for that.

01:50:07.000 Booker DeWitt, catch, says, Dana Lash, she is you you need on your show.

01:50:15.000 Who you need on the show.

01:50:17.000 I'm guessing, yeah.

01:50:17.000 Sometimes people typo.

01:50:18.000 Dana Lash, again, big get. 0.84

01:50:20.000 That'd be fun.

01:50:20.000 But she is a media personality and very busy.

01:50:24.000 I'm sure she would if she was not got her own massive platform. 1.00

01:50:28.000 That's the thing, right?

01:50:29.000 Somebody who's got their own massive multi-million subscriber follower platform doesn't need to go on someone's show.

01:50:34.000 Right.

01:50:35.000 Unless they just want to do it for fun.

01:50:37.000 But, uh, I'd love to have Dana Lash. 0.87

01:50:38.000 She's great.

01:50:39.000 It'd be a really great conversation about guns.

01:50:41.000 Because, uh, the more I buy guns and read into them and learn about them, the more I'm confused by what I'm hearing from the politics.

01:50:48.000 Like, there was one post from a guy, Adam Best, and he, like, named all of these, you know, tragic incidents.

01:50:53.000 He's like, AR-15, AR-15, AR-15, over and over again.

01:50:56.000 And I'm like, like, what though?

01:51:00.000 Like, an AR-15, you're just like, it's like him saying, gun.

01:51:02.000 Gun.

01:51:04.000 A gun was used here and a gun was used here.

01:51:05.000 And I'm like, AR-15 what?

01:51:07.000 There's like so many different variants.

01:51:08.000 You're just saying gun over and over.

01:51:09.000 It doesn't mean anything.

01:51:10.000 They don't know what they're talking about.

01:51:12.000 Anyway.

01:51:14.000 Chase says, I am suing my former job.

01:51:16.000 I was called a white supremacist after expressing anti-woke commentary online.

01:51:20.000 I was forced into weekly one-on-one anti-racism training for months before I had to quit, but I didn't bend the knee.

01:51:26.000 Bravo, good sir.

01:51:27.000 That's awesome.

01:51:27.000 Good for you.

01:51:28.000 Good for you.

01:51:29.000 Um, feel free to reach out to me if you want.

01:51:32.000 Yeah, it just says Chase, but is there a way people can reach out to you?

01:51:36.000 Yeah, it's my... I have a web... jodyshaw.net.

01:51:40.000 There's a contact button.

01:51:41.000 You can contact me.

01:51:44.000 Mr. Paul R. says, if Jody Shaw lost friends, they're not friends.

01:51:47.000 Yes.

01:51:48.000 That's true.

01:51:49.000 Yeah, it feels like a friend is gonna have your back no matter what.

01:51:54.000 Yep, even if they don't always agree with you.

01:51:55.000 And sometimes they leave and then they come back, and you're in the middle of it right now.

01:52:00.000 Casey Finnegan says, Hey Tim, did you hear that Rebel News was demonetized today?

01:52:05.000 When Ezra Levant asked why, the YouTube rep said she would check with her team.

01:52:09.000 The woke is coming for everyone.

01:52:11.000 That's why I joined your site.

01:52:12.000 Thank you.

01:52:13.000 This is why we should have set up TimCast.com a long time ago.

01:52:16.000 Last year when we started the TimCastRL podcast, we should have set up a website.

01:52:20.000 We didn't.

01:52:21.000 We did recently because The Purge is real.

01:52:23.000 And they're gonna demonetize Purge. 0.91

01:52:25.000 And a lot of people, I love it when they're like, Tim Pool's never getting banned.

01:52:28.000 He's still milquetoast.

01:52:29.000 My Facebook page has already been demonetized and booted off.

01:52:32.000 I can't, it's over.

01:52:33.000 You can't spell demonetized without demon.

01:52:35.000 There you go.

01:52:36.000 Wait, milquetoast?

01:52:40.000 Milquetoast? 0.80

01:52:41.000 Yeah, yeah, so the joke is Tim Poole's a milquetoast fence-sitter.

01:52:43.000 And it's M-I-L-Q-U-E. 1.00

01:52:45.000 You know milquetoast?

01:52:46.000 Yeah, I know, but I'm just kind of shocked that it was used in conjunction with you.

01:52:51.000 It's a joke because I'm not... I'm centrist, I guess.

01:52:54.000 Did you make milquetoast in the beginning?

01:52:56.000 Never.

01:52:57.000 That's a weird thing.

01:52:58.000 That's a real breakfast, I guess.

01:52:59.000 Yeah, my grandma used to make milquetoast. 0.89

01:53:01.000 You pour milk on toast?

01:53:02.000 Yeah, it's gross and weird.

01:53:03.000 I recommend it.

01:53:05.000 So, uh, it's a joke, obviously.

01:53:08.000 You know, I can't remember who on the show, but they were like, why are they allowing you to do this?

01:53:11.000 And I'm like, who's there?

01:53:12.000 And they're like, the establishment, you know, like the Democrats and the media.

01:53:15.000 I'm like, why aren't they like smearing you more and like trying to get you banned or whatever?

01:53:18.000 And I'm like, I don't know.

01:53:20.000 You know, but, but, but they, what they basically said was it's not that you're, you know, right wing or left wing or whatever.

01:53:28.000 It's that you're exposing how they operate.

01:53:31.000 And I was like, yeah, well, you know, there you go.

01:53:34.000 So yeah, anyway, join TimCast.com, become a member, because that's the safety net.

01:53:40.000 If we get shut down, the show's over, like, we can still work so long as TimCast.com exists.

01:53:45.000 And that's why I'm trying to get the new site, we're gonna launch a brand site, which is gonna do way more content, articles, news, and all that stuff, and everything, and video games, and skateboarding and stuff, because we need to build something independent so that we can't get shut down.

01:54:01.000 Although, we'll see what happens.

01:54:02.000 YouTube implemented this new thing where it, like, when you upload a video, it runs a percentage check, like scanning your content for negative words.

01:54:12.000 And so demonetization has started hitting me again.

01:54:14.000 For a while, I wasn't getting hit.

01:54:16.000 So, we'll see what happens.

01:54:18.000 But, I will say, TimCast.com is offsetting the loss of YouTube ad revenue, which I'm not super concerned about at this point.

01:54:26.000 Charles Baliozian says, But it's like they don't care, you know?

01:54:29.000 Talking with woke liberals can be fun, especially when I remind them of my grandparents literally

01:54:36.000 survived actual genocide and religious persecution.

01:54:39.000 Good times.

01:54:40.000 But it's like they don't care, you know?

01:54:42.000 It's like when you actually explain to one of these white woke progressives, when I've

01:54:47.000 tried telling them, oh, okay, so your logic applies to me as a mixed race person.

01:54:51.000 I'll say no.

01:54:53.000 No, you don't count.

01:54:54.000 Like, I get to say that.

01:54:55.000 It's like, wait, but you're the white person. 0.96

01:54:56.000 You're supposed to be the racist by your own logic.

01:54:58.000 I don't work that way.

01:55:02.000 Cause Castellano says, there are chickens that lay different color eggs.

01:55:05.000 Blue, green, pink, dark chocolate, brown, et cetera.

01:55:08.000 Two true colors, white and blue.

01:55:10.000 Blue is because of a virus that changes the shell color.

01:55:12.000 Check it out.

01:55:12.000 Really?

01:55:14.000 Cause we have chickens. 1.00

01:55:15.000 We were given a sampler.

01:55:17.000 That's what the guy called it.

01:55:18.000 And he was like, you'll have all different color eggs.

01:55:21.000 I'm excited!

01:55:21.000 So happy.

01:55:22.000 Yeah, they are all friends.

01:55:23.000 Waster eggs.

01:55:24.000 Kim Hansen says, Tim, every once in a while, give politics a rest.

01:55:28.000 Since you are a musician, I suggest a great cover band called Foxes and Fossils.

01:55:31.000 They have a YouTube channel.

01:55:32.000 Give it a listen.

01:55:33.000 Get them on the show.

01:55:34.000 You won't be disappointed.

01:55:35.000 Well, we have a venue, and we're planning on doing live events very soon.

01:55:39.000 Now that the weather's improving, we're going to have, like, limited availability for members-only

01:55:47.000 tickets that you can buy and come to the actual studio for a night of, you know, barbecue

01:55:54.000 on the grill and musicians and comedians.

01:55:58.000 And we're planning this out.

01:56:00.000 We want to get some pretty good bands and commentators.

01:56:04.000 It would be really great to get some of these more political commentators who do kind of a comedy routine.

01:56:09.000 Get them up on stage.

01:56:10.000 Like Andrew Doyle?

01:56:12.000 Oh, definitely.

01:56:13.000 Yeah, he's great.

01:56:14.000 But he's locked in the UK, isn't he?

01:56:16.000 We'll get him as soon as he's not.

01:56:17.000 Is he?

01:56:18.000 Yeah, you can't leave the UK.

01:56:19.000 If you try to leave, they fine you.

01:56:21.000 But I think you can travel for work.

01:56:22.000 So if they want to, they can still, for work, leave.

01:56:25.000 And so that might work.

01:56:27.000 But yeah, Andrew Doyle, Dankula.

01:56:30.000 Count Dankula is an amazing stage presence, too.

01:56:33.000 He's really, really great.

01:56:34.000 It would be so fun to have him and obviously Carl Benjamin and do a big thing.

01:56:39.000 I want to hear what you guys think about us bringing back Jam Night on Fridays.

01:56:41.000 If you like that idea.

01:56:43.000 I like that idea.

01:56:44.000 I heard about it.

01:56:45.000 Why did it stop?

01:56:46.000 Adam left.

01:56:48.000 Adam was forced it to happen basically and I'm bringing it back.

01:56:50.000 Well the show changed.

01:56:52.000 We started doing more guests and then...

01:56:56.000 But now we're once we haven't yet completely set up all the infrastructure of the venue, I call it, the garage, because of the weather.

01:57:04.000 Now that it's finally breaking into the 60s, we can start setting up the computer, the lights, the drum set. 0.98

01:57:09.000 I want to play so much because I'm like a kind of a political idiot. 0.99

01:57:12.000 And so when we talk politics, I'm like, oh, just stay cool, man. 0.99

01:57:15.000 Wait for your moment.

01:57:16.000 But when we rock, I can hit it hard, you know?

01:57:20.000 I'm ready.

01:57:24.000 Alright, let's see.

01:57:24.000 Bobby Digital says, I'm subscribed at TimCast.com.

01:57:27.000 Can you pretty please make videos downloadable and pocket listenable?

01:57:33.000 I don't know how to do that right now, but we have a new website that's about to launch, and it's going to create new subscriber options through different, you know, new subscriber options, just because right now it's just basically PayPal, but we're going to be opening up for, it's just improving.

01:57:48.000 Basically, we built what we could build initially.

01:57:53.000 When everyone became members, then we basically used that, all those resources to start Hiring a new dev team and expanding and we want to we want to build open source Social networking code that anyone could put onto their website.

01:58:06.000 So you mentioned you had what Jody Shaw net?

01:58:08.000 How cool would it be if we had an open source plugin that you put on your website?

01:58:12.000 And it was a social media app that networked you to every other website that used the same app that way.

01:58:17.000 No one could ban you It's just your website and but people on your website could interact with people on other websites, too.

01:58:21.000 I Oh, I see.

01:58:24.000 So the social media app is like embedded.

01:58:28.000 It's like not out there.

01:58:30.000 But it would basically be the Fediverse.

01:58:33.000 The Fediverse?

01:58:33.000 Fediverse is a decentralized Twitter where different servers can interact with each other.

01:58:39.000 Like peer-to-peer.

01:58:41.000 Yeah.

01:58:41.000 Kind of thing.

01:58:42.000 You can do like a browser.

01:58:43.000 So you could basically be like, create a user account.

01:58:47.000 If they're a member of your website, then their username could be like Bill at JodyShaw.net.

01:58:51.000 And when they post, people can choose to follow Bill at JodyShaw.net.

01:58:54.000 Kind of like Gab's dissenter.

01:58:57.000 And people would see Gab too, because Gab, I believe, is on the Fediverse.

01:58:59.000 So you could be Bill at Gab.com and people on your website could follow people on Gab.

01:59:05.000 Wow.

01:59:06.000 It's about to happen.

01:59:07.000 Really?

01:59:08.000 We want to get there, but we're small and we're growing and we can't just snap our fingers and instantly be 100% company.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, it's like a community project, which is the nice thing about it being open source too, is contributors from around the world will go on GitHub and GitLab and be like suppositing code for others to use.

01:59:22.000 Free software actually, so like a MIT license or something.

01:59:26.000 All right, we got Political Pothead, he says.

01:59:29.000 Shout out to rappers Tom McDonald, Upchurch, and Adam Calhoun.

01:59:32.000 They're building culture.

01:59:33.000 There is a whole pool of independent rappers not muzzled by record labels.

01:59:37.000 And surprise, they're not woke.

01:59:39.000 Yup.

01:59:39.000 I love the independence, yeah.

01:59:41.000 Oh, hey.

01:59:43.000 Caleb W. says, got my Diamond Hands Gorilla t-shirt today.

01:59:47.000 Check out Dax's new video.

01:59:49.000 My friends, make sure you get your Diamond Hands Gorilla shirt.

01:59:52.000 Go to TimCast.com.

01:59:53.000 I got mine.

01:59:54.000 Yeah, Jody's got some.

01:59:55.000 I got one here, but it's a misprint.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:00.000 His eyes are blue, I guess, and it's just too dark. 0.99

02:00:03.000 But I'm a bit reluctant to show the misprint one because before this got sent to us, Teespring emailed me and said, you're going to be getting double your order.

02:00:20.000 Because the first shirts that went out were printed too dark, and so we're sending you double the order, so you're getting, like, two for the price of one.

02:00:26.000 And I was like, cool!

02:00:28.000 So they've been taking care of me.

02:00:30.000 Much respect.

02:00:30.000 There was a big fiasco that happened with the gorilla shirts with them a while ago, but they did right by us, and I think they do great.

02:00:36.000 Their shirts are amazing quality, by the way.

02:00:37.000 The misprints could be a collector's item.

02:00:39.000 They are. These I was thinking yeah so we gave some of them away but I think

02:00:43.000 these particular ones are not offensive misprints like the other ones were

02:00:46.000 that almost got us in trouble. Yeah they were a little uh.

02:00:48.000 But uh we might. We'll we'll give we'll give some of these out we'll sign them and stuff like

02:00:53.000 that and uh yeah. Yeah the other one All right, here we go.

02:00:58.000 Manyon Lee says, I think Candace Owens is one of the most powerful weapons we have against the woke. 0.97

02:01:03.000 Do you think she would make a good presidential candidate for 2024? 0.97

02:01:07.000 Maybe not 2024.

02:01:08.000 Um, maybe later on.

02:01:10.000 She is a good, uh, I would agree.

02:01:14.000 Well, I would say this.

02:01:14.000 I think she is a good weapon against the woke.

02:01:17.000 However, she's also called for imprisoning people for burning the flag and that's not going to jive with liberals.

02:01:21.000 Cool.

02:01:22.000 Uh, look, I'm not talking about woke insanity.

02:01:25.000 I'm talking about regular freedom-loving social and classical liberals who are like, look, man, I don't agree with burning the flag, but if it's your flag, do what you want with it.

02:01:34.000 That's your speech.

02:01:35.000 It's the George Carlin type liberals that you, you are like the conservatives have won over in a lot of aspects, threatening to imprison people for burning a flag.

02:01:42.000 You're going to lose all of them quick.

02:01:43.000 I don't know what your thoughts are.

02:01:45.000 Would you agree on that one?

02:01:47.000 Would you, do you think burning the flag should be allowed?

02:01:49.000 Oh gosh, I haven't thought about it, but I'm just thinking about, like, I don't know that that's a reason to write somebody off, just because they have that one belief.

02:01:59.000 Because they think you should be arrested for burning the flag?

02:02:01.000 Or because they believe in burning the flag?

02:02:03.000 Well, maybe they shouldn't be president.

02:02:06.000 Trump thought the same thing.

02:02:08.000 Trump said you should get a year in jail.

02:02:10.000 So, I'll tell you this.

02:02:11.000 That's why I'm saying she's a good personality challenging wokeness. 1.00

02:02:16.000 I'm not discrediting everything she said because she holds one opinion I disagree with.

02:02:20.000 I just think that's going to cost her a lot of liberal support and for Trump as well.

02:02:23.000 Yeah, people have a way of changing their mind on issues when they run for president.

02:02:29.000 I think people who burn the flag should get a stern finger wagging.

02:02:32.000 Yeah.

02:02:32.000 And if it's your flag, well, I guess you burn what you want, man, you know?

02:02:35.000 It's like, I would never burn the flag.

02:02:38.000 I love the American flag.

02:02:38.000 I think this country is fantastic because I've traveled the world.

02:02:41.000 But Penn and Teller did this really amazing bit.

02:02:44.000 They have this really amazing bit where they do a magic trick where they... It's a magic trick.

02:02:48.000 They don't really burn the flag, but they do and it like goes up in flames.

02:02:51.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

02:02:52.000 says burning the flag is the ultimate ultimate expression of the freedom that

02:02:56.000 it represents and I'm like it's paradoxical but when I see these like

02:03:01.000 Antifa and leftist types like burning the flag as I hate America they're only

02:03:05.000 proving how awesome this country really is yeah that's a good that's a good

02:03:09.000 point that's that's one of our freedoms right yeah there's countries where

02:03:13.000 they'll execute you for doing that In America, you'll get a finger wagging.

02:03:17.000 Maybe. 0.85

02:03:17.000 You know, yeah, maybe. 0.85

02:03:19.000 You'll get people yelling at you and trying to take it from you to stop you from burning it, maybe.

02:03:23.000 But like in Thailand, insulting the royal family, you go to jail.

02:03:25.000 Yeah, just words alone can get you.

02:03:27.000 Yeah.

02:03:28.000 ShadowCloud says, I'd love to come by the van and play some Magic the Gathering when you guys are in Nashville.

02:03:33.000 Oh, it's not a van.

02:03:34.000 It's a 40-foot trailer.

02:03:37.000 It's gonna be a full studio setup.

02:03:40.000 It's gonna be a very, very arduous task doing a road trip.

02:03:44.000 It's not going to be an easy thing to do.

02:03:47.000 So I don't know how much time we'll have.

02:03:48.000 No magic games?

02:03:49.000 I don't know about playing Magic the Gathering when we're like working for a week straight on tour.

02:03:53.000 It's going to be stressful.

02:03:54.000 People are going to lose their minds.

02:03:56.000 People who've never been on a tour don't get it.

02:04:00.000 Somebody mentioned something.

02:04:01.000 RR says Jody's music is on iTunes.

02:04:04.000 That's true.

02:04:04.000 How did they find it?

02:04:06.000 Jodi Shah.

02:04:07.000 J-O-D-I. 1.00

02:04:08.000 It's on Bandcamp too.

02:04:09.000 And you have like super amazing top 40 hits that everyone will listen to.

02:04:15.000 In the end, you'll just become a famous musician.

02:04:16.000 There you go.

02:04:17.000 Perfect.

02:04:18.000 I like that.

02:04:19.000 I like that prediction.

02:04:20.000 Let's go with it.

02:04:22.000 Waffles, Sensei says Tim.

02:04:24.000 I can't wait to see your take on the speech Biden gave in Colorado.

02:04:27.000 Oh boy, he's coming for your assault rifles, whatever that means.

02:04:30.000 He also has a moment that he says, not until I have all the facts about the shooter.

02:04:35.000 It gets obnoxious at this point, bro.

02:04:37.000 Yeah, uh, assault rifles.

02:04:40.000 What, you mean like NFA items that cost like 30 grand that very few people have?

02:04:44.000 So, assault rifle references select fire rifles, so they're full-auto, full-auto burst or semi.

02:04:52.000 Yeah, those are extremely expensive.

02:04:54.000 They're already ridiculously hard to get.

02:04:57.000 Whatever.

02:04:58.000 You can get Gatling guns though, because those are like, I guess each like crank or whatever is a single action, so you're allowed to have a legal Gatling gun.

02:05:06.000 But doesn't it do like 60 cranks a second?

02:05:08.000 Or something that'll spin so fast?

02:05:09.000 But could you go super fast with your hand, like ch-ch-ch-ch-ch? 1.00

02:05:12.000 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

02:05:13.000 Luke wanted me to buy a Gatling gun, a 9mm, 100, it was like a massive magazine thing on the side, and you hold it and go ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.

02:05:19.000 That's what I want!

02:05:20.000 And I'm like, what am I going to do with that?

02:05:22.000 It's on wheels.

02:05:22.000 I'm like, he's like, I'm just telling you, man, you know, you got to buy it now before it's illegal.

02:05:26.000 I'm like, all right, I'm not buying Gatling gun, Luke. 0.92

02:05:30.000 He has convinced me to buy some dumb things, though.

02:05:33.000 I wonder where that guy went. 0.96

02:05:34.000 Like the sword, like the lightsaber thing.

02:05:37.000 That was all Tim.

02:05:38.000 Oh, like the little torch thing?

02:05:40.000 I saw that on Instagram.

02:05:40.000 Yeah.

02:05:41.000 All right, Otzi Cosmo says, have Lauren Southern on. 1.00

02:05:44.000 Had a great video a month ago, Feeling Don't Care About Your Facts.

02:05:48.000 That's actually something I said on Twitter quite a while ago, when Ben Shapiro said, facts don't care about your feelings.

02:05:53.000 I tweeted, feelings don't care about your facts, because both are true.

02:05:56.000 Feelings don't care about your facts.

02:05:58.000 And that's why a lot of people driven by feelings don't care about objective reality.

02:06:02.000 As for Lauren, she's in Australia.

02:06:05.000 Oh, wow.

02:06:05.000 Is that where she lives?

02:06:06.000 I believe she lives in Australia now, right?

02:06:08.000 She does, yeah.

02:06:09.000 Yeah, so I'd love to have Lauren Southern on, but... Yeah, I want to hear her personal, like, perception of her story for the last four or five years, because she was, like, came out of obscurity and was super famous for a short period of time and kind of got burned by, like, the cancel culture.

02:06:23.000 Well, she retired. 0.90

02:06:24.000 And she got in trouble for, like, being on the ocean and... A bunch of stuff like that.

02:06:28.000 Yeah, I want to hear all her personal, like, what she thinks about it.

02:06:31.000 Well, my friends, here's what you need to do.

02:06:33.000 I want her on.

02:06:34.000 You need to go to TimCast.com and become a member because The Purge is real.

02:06:37.000 We just heard Rebel News.

02:06:38.000 You know, they got demonetized.

02:06:39.000 Who knows how long until they come for us as well.

02:06:41.000 So we need your membership to keep doing the work.

02:06:44.000 Or I should say, it's the safety net in the event we do get banned.

02:06:47.000 And TimCast.com is going to become the real bread and butter, I guess.

02:06:52.000 That's where we're focusing on building our own sustainable platform that can't be banned and a larger brand to encompass it.

02:06:58.000 That way it'll exist beyond just like a YouTube channel, so we're getting there.

02:07:02.000 But go there now, because we're gonna have an exclusive members-only segment, probably with a lot more profanity, we always say that, and there usually is, so.

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02:07:34.000 We got this.

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02:07:36.000 All right.

02:07:37.000 This show is live Monday to Friday at 8 PM.

02:07:39.000 So we will obviously be back tomorrow.

02:07:41.000 But Jody, is there anything you want to shout out?

02:07:43.000 Social media or GoFundMe or something?

02:07:46.000 Oh yeah.

02:07:47.000 Jodyshaw.net.

02:07:49.000 for supporting me in this fight.

02:07:52.000 And jodyshaw.com if you want to check out my music.

02:07:55.000 Oh, cool.

02:07:56.000 And there might be some GoFundMe comings.

02:07:59.000 I'm working on it.

02:08:01.000 GoFundMe's coming for the staff who were impacted by the July 31st, 2018 incident.

02:08:10.000 Very cool.

02:08:10.000 I'll keep you posted.

02:08:12.000 Oh, you guys can follow me at IanCrossland.net.

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02:08:17.000 Thank you for coming.

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02:08:32.000 So I'm able to condense them and get them a little more, a little less wordy, I should say.

02:08:37.000 We will see you all over in the exclusive members-only segment at TimCast.com.

02:08:42.000 Thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 23, 2021

Timcast IRL - White College Staffer Resigns Over Anti-White Racism, Wokeness On Trial w-Jodi Shaw

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