Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - White House Proposes PAYING Illegal Immigrants Cash To NOT Come Here w-JohnTamny

00:00:00.000 you you

00:00:57.000 you we have major breaking news tonight and i'm not surprised

00:01:22.000 that it's happening on a friday because This is when news is released in the with the intention of

00:01:28.000 killing the story But the border crisis, the migrant crisis that Biden is facing has now become, it's a historical record, the amount of unaccompanied children that are coming to the border.

00:01:39.000 And the breaking news is that the White House border coordinator has resigned.

00:01:43.000 This is happening on a Friday night, which means They don't want the news to pick it up.

00:01:48.000 And if the news does pick it up, nobody's going to see it because tomorrow's Saturday and then Sunday.

00:01:52.000 And then by Monday, the news cycle is just totally different.

00:01:55.000 Well, the crisis is so bad that not only did the coordinator resign, but the White House apparently now is proposing cash payments Two illegal immigrants in an effort to make them stay where they are.

00:02:07.000 How about this?

00:02:08.000 The White House says, we'll give you money instead of spending the money on you here.

00:02:11.000 Now I'll tell you, in my opinion, that's not going to work.

00:02:14.000 People are just going to say, thanks for the money.

00:02:16.000 Now I can use it to come to America because America rocks.

00:02:19.000 So this just shows you that we are dealing with a special level of ineptitude and chaos right now in the Biden administration.

00:02:26.000 Ever since he came in, his rhetoric has been very soft, and we've heard this.

00:02:30.000 It's a poll factor.

00:02:32.000 The illegal immigrants have already told, or at least one has told ABC and maybe another, one of these other news outlets, I believe NBC, Because of Joe Biden, because of the opportunities he's offered, they're coming to the United States.

00:02:43.000 And now the White House can't handle it.

00:02:44.000 So we're going to talk about all of this.

00:02:46.000 We have a great guest talk to us about the economy and the lockdowns.

00:02:50.000 We have John Tamney, who is a libertarian author.

00:02:52.000 And do you want to just introduce yourself?

00:02:54.000 Yes, I'm Vice President FreedomWorks, author of the new book, When Politicians Panic, The New Coronavirus, Expert Opinion, and a Tragic Lapse of Reason.

00:03:03.000 Thrilled to be on tonight.

00:03:04.000 Thanks so much for having me.

00:03:05.000 Yes.

00:03:06.000 Yes, and I'm also Ian Crosland from iancrosland.net here in the house to talk about the Federal Reserve with John.

00:03:06.000 Cool.

00:03:13.000 Everybody knows that.

00:03:14.000 We're very excited about this.

00:03:15.000 Yeah, Ian just kind of lit up when John was talking about the Federal Reserve, and I have Sour Patch Lids in the corner.

00:03:19.000 There are chapters on the Fed in this book.

00:03:22.000 Two chapters.

00:03:23.000 Didn't you mention you have a book, or did you not?

00:03:25.000 Let me mention the book again.

00:03:25.000 I did, yes.

00:03:26.000 Oh, no, no, the other one, the other one.

00:03:27.000 Yes, there's a book called Who Needs the Fed?

00:03:30.000 It's my second book.

00:03:31.000 I love it.

00:03:32.000 I make this odd argument that, in fact, the Fed has been rushing toward irrelevance since its creation, so I offend both.

00:03:39.000 Equal opportunity offender with my commentary on the Fed.

00:03:42.000 It was funny because when I was like, oh, you have other books and you mentioned one of my books is Who Needs the Fed?

00:03:46.000 Ian's eyes are like, oh, oh, what's that?

00:03:48.000 End of it?

00:03:49.000 Let's find an answer to that question.

00:03:50.000 Ron Paul?

00:03:51.000 All right, everybody.

00:03:51.000 Ron Paul?

00:03:51.000 Yeah.

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00:04:40.000 But let's just jump to this first big story, and we'll just kinda, we'll see what's going on.

00:04:44.000 White House considering cash payments to Central Americans to STEM migration.

00:04:50.000 I love that headline, because the headline makes no sense.

00:04:54.000 You should actually You should actually just say, White House considers giving cash to illegal immigrants, which will do nothing, and they'll come anyway, and then it'll cost even more money.

00:05:03.000 That's a better headline.

00:05:04.000 Here's the New York Post reports.

00:05:07.000 They say, the potential cash transfer program would be targeted at residents of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, which counts for the overwhelming majority of migrants illegally crossing the border.

00:05:17.000 Roberta Jacobson, the White House Southern Border Coordinator, told the outlet.

00:05:21.000 We're looking at all of the productive options to address both the economic reasons people may be migrating, as well as the protection and security reasons, Jacobson told the outlet in an interview.

00:05:30.000 In March, nearly 170,000 migrants were picked up by U.S.

00:05:34.000 Border Patrol agents at the southern border, a 70% increase from February.

00:05:39.000 Alright, you get the gist of the story?

00:05:41.000 You ready for the big hammer drop?

00:05:43.000 Who was it who said that they were planning on doing this?

00:05:46.000 Why, it was... Well, let me just read it.

00:05:50.000 This is Roberta Jacobson, the White House's Southern Border Coordinator, telling the New York Post, we're looking at all of the productive options to address both the economic reasons and... She's gone.

00:06:01.000 White House border coordinator Roberta Jacobson resigns as Biden struggles to contain the historic surge in migrants.

00:06:09.000 It's amazing because it looks like this story about her resignation came before the New York Post was able to publish a story where she said, we're just going to pay these people.

00:06:19.000 Look.

00:06:20.000 America's awesome.

00:06:21.000 Everybody wants to be here.

00:06:22.000 I get it.

00:06:23.000 I would love everyone to find the American dream.

00:06:25.000 You got to do it the legal way.

00:06:27.000 The law is set up not because we hate people, but it's because we want to make sure people don't wander through the desert and die.

00:06:32.000 We want to make sure human traffickers aren't trafficking children.

00:06:35.000 We want to make sure that guy with that little girl is actually related to that little girl.

00:06:38.000 And you can't do it when people just pour across the border.

00:06:40.000 So this is one of the most insane things I've ever heard.

00:06:43.000 I don't know what you guys think.

00:06:44.000 I think most people, just their jaws just dropped when it's like the US will give money to these people to make them not come.

00:06:50.000 They're gonna come anyway.

00:06:52.000 Sounds like they're considering bribing foreign nationals to not commit a crime with our own tax money.

00:06:57.000 It's insane to me.

00:06:59.000 The consideration is absolutely insanity to me.

00:07:02.000 So you're, you're more of the libertarian, but I think, what'd you say?

00:07:05.000 Little L or big L?

00:07:06.000 Small, small L. It's, look, it's, it's guilt money.

00:07:10.000 We know what this, it's guilt money first and foremost.

00:07:14.000 My point of view is that the best immigrant wall of all is a lack of economic growth.

00:07:20.000 Can we, Let's not forget that from 2009 to 2014 more people left the United States and crossed back over the southern border than came in.

00:07:30.000 As long as the US is awesome, people are going to come here.

00:07:35.000 To me, that is a market phenomenon.

00:07:38.000 that they're trying to solve with central planning.

00:07:41.000 Is it any surprise when you solve something with central planning that you have a crisis?

00:07:45.000 What I would give if both sides acknowledged that there's a need for workers and so let's let's legalize work in some way.

00:07:55.000 It's never going to happen because both sides want to politicize this and they will continue to do this.

00:08:00.000 This will never be solved.

00:08:01.000 It's like the people who say, let's have a flat or sales tax.

00:08:05.000 Yeah, good luck.

00:08:06.000 It's never going to happen.

00:08:07.000 It's not in the incentive of Congress to simplify the tax code.

00:08:11.000 They will never solve this with free markets.

00:08:13.000 But I guess one of the challenges is different sectors require workers.

00:08:19.000 You know, not every single sector can have the same kind of labor done.

00:08:22.000 So a lot of the people who would be coming from Central America, they're not going to be computer programmers or, you know, solar panel engineers.

00:08:29.000 They're probably going to be low-skill workers or laborers.

00:08:32.000 Is that a fair assessment?

00:08:34.000 It's a fair assessment in some way, but what if we legalized work?

00:08:38.000 What if we said we're not going to discriminate based on your coming from somewhere else?

00:08:44.000 To some degree, people have to do low-value work once they're here because that's the easiest way to not be discovered.

00:08:51.000 How many Cuban immigrants going back to the 1960s came here?

00:08:56.000 They were educated but were busboys once they were in the United States.

00:08:59.000 So once you legalize things, you'd get a greater disbursement of workers.

00:09:05.000 I think you'd also get a lot more talented workers to come here because we know this well, if you're a foreign talent and come here to school, you can go to school here but you can't necessarily stay here.

00:09:19.000 I'll tell you this, that sounds like a way better solution than just giving them money and hoping they don't come.

00:09:24.000 Because I'm pretty sure if we give them money, they're gonna come anyway.

00:09:27.000 I don't think giving someone cash, there's no contract there, what is that?

00:09:31.000 Yeah, well the coyotes will see that money and say, okay, here's the money that will help you get across the border.

00:09:37.000 I think it, you can't, look, North Korea is a police state, but people still come in and out of North Korea.

00:09:46.000 We think in a free country like this that we can keep them out, and it's always struck me as odd that people on my side say, well, we want limited government but we also want strict border enforcement.

00:09:58.000 Sorry, the two contradict.

00:09:59.000 You cannot have a very strong border enforcement with guns and also have

00:10:04.000 limited government.

00:10:05.000 So to me it's always been make a choice and I would prefer that we have a market solution,

00:10:11.000 but that is my the idealist in me talking.

00:10:13.000 But I don't think you necessarily disagree with many of the conservatives or many even

00:10:19.000 pro-borders libertarians. I think everybody agrees if we could find places for these people

00:10:24.000 through a legal process, we could keep track, we could make sure people are succeeding,

00:10:29.000 well that's great.

00:10:30.000 The problem is they're wandering through the desert, they're coming with coyotes and smugglers, kids are dying, and so it's basically chaos.

00:10:37.000 I think it was Donald Trump who said something to the effect of, you know, have everybody come.

00:10:37.000 Right?

00:10:40.000 Everybody.

00:10:41.000 But they gotta do it legally.

00:10:42.000 That's kind of the idea.

00:10:44.000 It is, but if they had the same rules that when our ancestors got here, and they probably all got here at different times, Most of us couldn't be here today.

00:10:44.000 Maybe.

00:10:53.000 If the rules that prevail today prevailed 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago, most of us wouldn't be here.

00:11:00.000 And so, sure, I would love legal too, but when you make the legality of it so limited, is it any surprise that you get the most desperate people crossing through the desert and everything?

00:11:12.000 If you had a legal process, again, a market-driven process, when you don't have central planning, I think what you'd find is you'd have people coming the normal way, because there'd be an incentive to come the normal way.

00:11:24.000 And you could have fewer guns at the border, because if you say, we legalize the work process, there's demand for human capital here.

00:11:32.000 The minute someone steps into the United States, they become exponentially productive by virtue of being in this country.

00:11:38.000 If you legalize that, they're not going to sneak over, at which point you can have fewer government agents targeting the very few who don't announce themselves in the first place.

00:11:47.000 But do you think many of these workers displace entry-level workers, American citizens who are trying to enter the workforce?

00:11:54.000 No.

00:11:55.000 So one of the things, and good point, I'll follow up, but I want you to go more in depth, but I want to make one point, because one of the things we've actually heard a lot, Millennials say that around 2008, when they're getting out of school and they're entering the workforce, the economy collapsed.

00:12:10.000 All of a sudden now, Gen Xers are occupying these lower skilled jobs and they can't find work.

00:12:15.000 I experienced this to a certain degree.

00:12:16.000 I was trying to get a job as a dishwasher because I was desperate and I come in and there's some, you know, I'm in my late teens, I'm 20 or 21 years old and there's a guy who's in his 30s in a suit with a briefcase trying to be a dishwasher for minimum wage.

00:12:28.000 I couldn't get the job.

00:12:29.000 It was impossible.

00:12:30.000 So I ended up Playing guitar in a subway.

00:12:33.000 Now we're hearing from the, you know, Gen Z, where they're saying, you've got all the millennials now finally starting to, you know, come into these positions and take these jobs.

00:12:41.000 And we entered this, this broken system in shambles with an economic crisis in our youth and now an economic crisis, the pandemic.

00:12:48.000 So you have a lot of young people who have repeatedly seen some kind of struggle in terms of getting work.

00:12:53.000 Now you have an argument for many people of relaxing the borders, allowing more labor to come in to compete with people who have already had a hard go of it.

00:13:01.000 Um, it's a fair argument, but I don't think we can have it both ways in this argument.

00:13:05.000 We can't say that they're coming in and taking the jobs that no one else wants to do at the same time saying they're taking jobs from college-educated millennials.

00:13:12.000 But I'm not saying that.

00:13:14.000 I'm saying I tried to be a dishwasher and I couldn't because the work was displaced.

00:13:18.000 I mean, dishwasher, I wouldn't say is a job no one wants to do.

00:13:21.000 You know, Donald Trump, during his presidency, there was a raid on several meat processing plants in, I can't remember what state, maybe Mississippi and Arkansas, maybe there's a couple of states.

00:13:29.000 And I think they deported about 700 people and those jobs immediately got filled at a higher wage to American citizens.

00:13:36.000 So there were several people who were interviewed.

00:13:38.000 There was, you know, this one, one dude said, they asked him, why are you coming to this job fair?

00:13:43.000 And he goes, it pays better than McDonald's.

00:13:45.000 And so these people came into these jobs and then that opens up jobs in fast food for 16 year olds who are entering the job market who need to work.

00:13:54.000 Should we abolish computers?

00:13:56.000 Should we abolish the mobile phone?

00:13:58.000 Should we abolish Wi-Fi?

00:14:01.000 Should we abolish your website?

00:14:03.000 Because I guarantee everything that I just said has displaced all sorts of people.

00:14:08.000 Now my answer to that would be that's called progress.

00:14:11.000 Because the world before that was a much more brutal, cruel world for people.

00:14:18.000 Look, we could abolish the tractor, the car and the airplane right now and we'd all have jobs.

00:14:25.000 We'd be desperately poor, but we'd all have jobs.

00:14:28.000 That's true.

00:14:28.000 This notion that people somehow drive away jobs ignores that where are jobs the scarcest right now?

00:14:36.000 Are they just abundant in Flint because no one's going there?

00:14:39.000 Or are they more abundant in San Jose, where there are lots of people going?

00:14:44.000 Las Vegas, there's lots of work.

00:14:47.000 And it's lots of people moving from places where there's not.

00:14:51.000 People don't drive away work.

00:14:53.000 What drives away work is a lack of investment.

00:14:56.000 And so what attracts investment?

00:14:58.000 So where the talented people go, there's always going to be abundant jobs.

00:14:58.000 Talent.

00:15:02.000 And so I think it's a mistake to look at work as a finite supply.

00:15:06.000 It's rarely that.

00:15:08.000 I would add, too, I think one of the biggest problems we have in this country is cultural.

00:15:12.000 A lot of the young people that I reference, because, you know, we hear from young people saying, I wish I could work, but I can't.

00:15:17.000 You know, the economy, the immigration.

00:15:19.000 Well, it's also true a lot of these younger people are really entitled, and they're told by their parents, you should be an astronaut instead of a plumber.

00:15:26.000 Plumber is an extremely important job.

00:15:28.000 I gotta say, astronauts are incredibly important in a certain sense that, you know, what Elon Musk is doing with SpaceX is going to advance human experience and human technology in amazing ways.

00:15:40.000 But I'll tell you this, a plumber is more needed.

00:15:44.000 We, we, you need a plumber.

00:15:45.000 Day to day.

00:15:46.000 Day to day.

00:15:46.000 Yeah.

00:15:47.000 Um, you need substantially more plumbers and electricians and carpenters than you need astronauts, but they're all there.

00:15:53.000 They're important.

00:15:54.000 It's just, you know, we got young people who are told, why should I do a trade?

00:15:57.000 Why should I do, why should I figure out how to build something?

00:16:00.000 They want to be a rock star.

00:16:01.000 They want to be a YouTuber.

00:16:03.000 Well, even like a successful YouTuber needs to understand tech.

00:16:06.000 I mean, you would not be successful if you didn't understand cameras, microphones, you know, programming, those are all these are trade trades, being able to work cameras, that's a trade, like a technology trade, you know, in the industry would be like, in the union, you know, as a, as a, as a tech.

00:16:22.000 I think you bring up a good point.

00:16:24.000 I've heard similar points made, particularly from libertarians.

00:16:27.000 And I think one of the big issues that I would agree with, we need people to just work.

00:16:32.000 You don't need to work for someone else.

00:16:34.000 You can work.

00:16:35.000 You can literally wake up in the morning and be like, I found a piece of dirt on the ground and I'm going to shape it into a little man and sell it to somebody.

00:16:42.000 Make the value, sell the value.

00:16:43.000 I agree that work is important, but I think the job economy is part of the Ponzi scheme of the Federal Reserve.

00:16:48.000 Kind of their ethos is, I want everyone working.

00:16:52.000 I want everyone to have a job.

00:16:53.000 I want this guy to dig a hole, and then I want this guy to go fill the hole back up.

00:16:57.000 That sounds like the military.

00:16:59.000 Yeah, we'll pay them both with our money, so they'll keep borrowing our money at interest, so that they'll keep paying these people to be busy, and then they'll keep owing us interest, and then as long as they're busy, they're not going to realize that we're A parasite on the system that we're sucking this interest off the top.

00:17:15.000 And we're headed towards automation where we don't need to dig the holes.

00:17:18.000 We're building machines to do that.

00:17:19.000 So as the age of automation dawns, the job economy is going to fade away.

00:17:26.000 But in a beautiful way.

00:17:28.000 Let's be clear that automation and robots are the greatest friend to the worker that the world has ever known.

00:17:35.000 And nothing else comes close.

00:17:37.000 Let's not forget that when you were born 175 years ago in the rich US, your choices were binary in life.

00:17:45.000 You'll either be a farmer or something else related to farming.

00:17:51.000 What changed that?

00:17:53.000 Tractor?

00:17:54.000 Backhoe?

00:17:55.000 Fertilizer?

00:17:56.000 The biggest robotic job destroyers in the history of the world.

00:17:59.000 Did they put us into bread lines?

00:18:01.000 No, they freed people to become astronauts, to create cars, to create computers, to become math teachers.

00:18:08.000 Robots Are going to take all that's awful out of work out of it all the drudgery out of it and allow specialization on a level that's going to lift people that for hundreds of years we might have thought stupid who suddenly get to do something that uniquely elevates their intelligence.

00:18:25.000 Work is endless.

00:18:28.000 It's the kind of work.

00:18:30.000 that is not endless in a dynamic society. And that's true.

00:18:33.000 And the big problem we then face is cultural stagnation. People who want to be YouTubers or

00:18:38.000 bloggers for BuzzFeed instead of people who want to explore and develop the new technology.

00:18:44.000 So I read, I was reading about the ancient Rome and Greece, the Mediterranean, and how the

00:18:50.000 great philosophers came about and how math started to emerge.

00:18:53.000 And it was because humans all of a sudden find themselves in this very beautiful climate.

00:18:59.000 It's always warm.

00:19:00.000 There's fruit.

00:19:01.000 There's abundance.

00:19:02.000 And so they had a lot of free time on their hands.

00:19:05.000 Some people laid about and were lazy and gluttonous and pretty bad.

00:19:08.000 And others found something to occupy their time.

00:19:12.000 I think one of the problems we have is that as a lot of people, when they enter this position where they lose their job, they complain to the government about it.

00:19:19.000 What are you going to do?

00:19:20.000 You have people on the left where they'll say something like, the government should just give me money.

00:19:24.000 It's like, well, you're not doing anything anyway.

00:19:27.000 Sure, I guess.

00:19:28.000 But then you have on the right people saying we should regulate the industries, maybe bring these companies back, a lot of what Trump was doing.

00:19:33.000 I actually would agree more with, you know, creating incentives for companies to exist here.

00:19:37.000 But outside of all of that, I think the big problem we have is absolutely cultural stagnation.

00:19:42.000 Movies are just remakes, reboots, adaptations.

00:19:46.000 Take an old comic, make a new version of it.

00:19:48.000 We need new things.

00:19:50.000 We need people to be pioneers.

00:19:51.000 We need people to say, I'm gonna go move to the middle of nowhere in Wyoming and build a city.

00:19:55.000 There's so much work to be done.

00:19:56.000 You just got to do it.

00:19:58.000 I guess the main issue, though, is people want to be rich.

00:20:00.000 You're not going to be rich being a guy who starts a new city.

00:20:04.000 You might have purpose.

00:20:05.000 Maybe.

00:20:06.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:20:07.000 Like you were saying, 100 years ago, we were all poor.

00:20:11.000 Or 200 years ago, we were all poor.

00:20:13.000 Compared today, you're rich.

00:20:14.000 If you're sitting in your house and you have the heater running and you have running water that's clean and access to the internet, you're rich.

00:20:21.000 You don't need billions and trillions to be rich these days.

00:20:25.000 As long as the automation enables the technology to be awesome, you're rich.

00:20:30.000 You did it.

00:20:31.000 And it does.

00:20:34.000 IBM comes out with the first mainframe computer in the 1960s.

00:20:38.000 Intensely slow, filled a room larger than this.

00:20:41.000 If you wanted to own it, it was going to cost you well over a million dollars.

00:20:46.000 Nowadays I have a supercomputer that fits in my pocket that I got for a few hundred dollars that is exponentially faster and more capable right here.

00:20:57.000 I can go on Amazon, we've got Alexa at home, and I've got access to billions worth of music.

00:21:05.000 Every single day for $4.99 a month.

00:21:08.000 We are billionaires in so many ways today because of the profit motive.

00:21:13.000 And what's scary is to think in the future what we're going... You are producing a television show with three people here and then a guest like me.

00:21:23.000 That however many years ago, how much would it have cost to produce this?

00:21:27.000 And you're doing this from a house in rural Maryland.

00:21:31.000 It's staggering what's being created at microscopic levels of cost.

00:21:37.000 And so when people are pessimistic and when they tell you they can't get a job, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:21:42.000 It's as Tim says, no, you're not happy with the jobs available that you can get.

00:21:47.000 It's kind of like years ago I wrote an op-ed.

00:21:50.000 Jennifer Aniston is unmarried.

00:21:53.000 By choice, not because she couldn't get married.

00:21:56.000 There are hundreds of millions of men who would give anything to be married to Jennifer Aniston.

00:22:01.000 What's available, she doesn't think is worthy.

00:22:04.000 What's available in the U.S.

00:22:06.000 for workers is not living up to the standards to which you allude entitled kids.

00:22:12.000 There is a challenge here though.

00:22:13.000 I often talk about how here in the U.S.

00:22:16.000 we're all fairly rich, especially when you look at other countries and the per capita GDP.

00:22:21.000 Yeah, the average American working at McDonald's is substantially wealthier than the middle-class Brazilian.

00:22:27.000 I think their GDP a few years ago was like $8,000 a year.

00:22:31.000 So even if you're working at McDonald's for only 40 hours a week, you're doing better.

00:22:34.000 The issue is we have certain standards and costs of living.

00:22:37.000 Rent might be a certain rate.

00:22:39.000 So while there are some people who are, you know, you can point out we've got Alexa, we've got all this great technology, you can get anything you want basically shipped to your house.

00:22:47.000 I got Japanese soda sent here.

00:22:49.000 Japanese is crazy.

00:22:50.000 It's a little marble and you slam it and then actually it's great.

00:22:55.000 And it comes here to the middle of nowhere.

00:22:57.000 However, we have access to a lot of these things, but rent is still really high.

00:23:03.000 So you can't be, you know, you can't just go and work that easily.

00:23:09.000 You know, I'll mention we need pioneers, right?

00:23:10.000 Go and start a city.

00:23:12.000 But you need some level of capital to do it.

00:23:14.000 And if you lose your job because your factory goes to Mexico or China, you can't pay your rent or your mortgage anymore.

00:23:20.000 And if you decide, okay, well then I'll just flip burgers, you still can't just pay your mortgage anymore.

00:23:24.000 You're not gonna be able to afford rent.

00:23:26.000 So, there's work to be done, but an individual can't just snap their fingers and decide to start working on something and cover their costs.

00:23:34.000 That's fair enough, but let's also remember we descend from people who crossed oceans to get here, where there were no roads, no buses, no airplanes, no cars.

00:23:44.000 I'm not terribly sympathetic to people in modern times who say, well, the factory left.

00:23:50.000 Well, if it left, get on the bus and go somewhere else.

00:23:53.000 Because there is Middletown, Ohio.

00:23:56.000 That's what Hillbilly Elegy was written about.

00:24:00.000 Well, I checked on the internet.

00:24:02.000 It costs basically a gallon of gasoline to get from Middletown to booming Columbus, Ohio.

00:24:08.000 In the United States, wherever you are, if it's poor and depressed, prosperity is not very far away.

00:24:15.000 Now I get your point about rent, but compared to what other people were up against in the past, these are small problems that can be solved and have been solved forever.

00:24:25.000 All of us have 9-1-7 numbers.

00:24:27.000 We're fairly familiar with people who've got nothing going to New York because they've got dreams and they view that as the place to test their dreams.

00:24:34.000 That's what I did.

00:24:36.000 I went to LA and New York.

00:24:38.000 Two most expensive cities in the world, basically.

00:24:41.000 People figure it out.

00:24:42.000 That's not a heartless statement.

00:24:44.000 I'm saying to the rest of the world, we are envied.

00:24:47.000 You get to move within the freest trade zone of opportunity in the world.

00:24:47.000 Wow.

00:24:51.000 If your skills aren't valued in Los Angeles, you can go to Phoenix, you can go to Las Vegas.

00:24:57.000 Think about the rest of the world.

00:24:58.000 If you went to the Congo right now, And you just decided to drive across the country.

00:25:03.000 You'd be killed before you got to the other side.

00:25:07.000 It's a good point about work and being a pioneer.

00:25:10.000 You mention not being able to pay rent or a four-year mortgage is nothing compared to what we used to do.

00:25:16.000 So it's kind of like your Jennifer Aniston argument is great.

00:25:20.000 Everyone right now is so accustomed to modern wealth that they couldn't imagine not having it.

00:25:26.000 There was a period where, if you were a dad, you were literally like, okay, we're in the middle of nowhere, I'm gonna build a mud hut for my family, otherwise we die.

00:25:34.000 And you had to do it.

00:25:36.000 There was no, where's my house, where's my plumbing?

00:25:38.000 No, it was quite literally, dig a hole and take a dump in it.

00:25:40.000 That was the standard people lived in.

00:25:41.000 Now, I don't want people to live by that standard, I want them to do well.

00:25:45.000 But perhaps if things are falling apart and the system can't support you getting this job, then we revert back to maybe taking a step down.

00:25:52.000 Maybe you don't want to.

00:25:53.000 Maybe you're like, no, I was getting this salary.

00:25:55.000 I demand that something.

00:25:55.000 Well, maybe I take a lower salary and do something else.

00:25:58.000 Or we could, I don't know, cut back on the rent and the cost of rent.

00:26:02.000 How?

00:26:03.000 Subsidize it with like basic income or something.

00:26:05.000 This is just the first thing that came to my mind.

00:26:07.000 But like, I remember... Where does that money come from?

00:26:10.000 The Federal Reserve!

00:26:11.000 So obviously.

00:26:12.000 Deficit spending.

00:26:13.000 Yeah, basically.

00:26:14.000 Hyperinflation.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:26:16.000 Or cryptocurrency or something.

00:26:18.000 Well, how about we just not have a plan?

00:26:19.000 Or we just cut down the cost of goods, not have a central plan.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, you know, again, I keep going back to the phone.

00:26:25.000 Why is it that I have this supercomputer that I was able to get for next to nothing?

00:26:29.000 I don't know why, but someone produced it for me.

00:26:34.000 Look at what is expensive in our lives, and invariably there's a government role, a government hand.

00:26:39.000 We've got a housing plan, we've got a healthcare plan.

00:26:43.000 They're really expensive.

00:26:44.000 And they're expensive.

00:26:45.000 You look where there are not central plans and entrepreneurs keep coming up with new ways to meet the needs of the people.

00:26:51.000 And so I think the mistake is let's stop burdening ourselves with, well, what are you going to do?

00:26:57.000 I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:27:00.000 But I know that where there's freedom, people keep producing for the needs of the people with the least.

00:27:06.000 What is certainly true is that what the rich enjoy in a free society is always and everywhere a preview of what we'll all enjoy if markets are free.

00:27:15.000 Again, we have supercomputers in our pockets.

00:27:17.000 I guarantee within the next 10 years, private flight is going to be common for typical middle-class people.

00:27:24.000 And within 20 years, Poor people will be flying on private jets.

00:27:28.000 Bank on it.

00:27:29.000 Certainly.

00:27:29.000 Maybe, but this Green New Deal stuff, this Great Reset stuff, they're trying to make

00:27:34.000 rules for thee but not for me.

00:27:36.000 If the authoritarianism kicks in, it'd be the opposite.

00:27:38.000 Of course.

00:27:39.000 You're saying the free market means we all get private planes, but they're going the

00:27:42.000 other direction.

00:27:43.000 They would like to, but they're not.

00:27:45.000 The free market is way too fast for these guys.

00:27:49.000 I prefer to be optimistic, and I think history vindicates that.

00:27:52.000 We're going to outrun the planners.

00:27:55.000 I think you might be right.

00:27:56.000 I hope so.

00:27:57.000 You're outrunning the planners.

00:27:58.000 Look at this.

00:27:59.000 You're outrunning them right now.

00:28:02.000 You're talking about a sitcom.

00:28:05.000 Do you realize how difficult it used to be, how expensive it used to be, the barriers to entry to making a TV show?

00:28:11.000 And yet you are talking about it from right here.

00:28:14.000 But the problem we face is that there are very powerful interests, authoritarian interests, that want us removed from the internet, and they have influence, and they try to do it every single day.

00:28:22.000 Always, always.

00:28:23.000 Phil Knight spent the first 18 years of Nike's existence thinking this will be the last, and tomorrow will be the last day of Nike.

00:28:30.000 Think back to Jeff Bezos of Amazon.

00:28:32.000 It's easy to look at the 100-billionaire, 200-billionaire today, but think back to the Amazon.org days.

00:28:39.000 Do you remember what a joke he was?

00:28:41.000 Do you remember how you were laughed at?

00:28:43.000 Oh, Amazon, oh please, they can't make a profit.

00:28:45.000 They peddle books and they do it so very unprofitably.

00:28:49.000 There are always people in the present trying to push down the future.

00:28:54.000 I'm talking to three futurists right here.

00:28:56.000 You're talking about things I've never heard of.

00:28:59.000 And that should make you confident.

00:29:00.000 Did you know that you can commission a private plane for only a couple hundred bucks?

00:29:05.000 I didn't, but it speaks to my argument.

00:29:07.000 That's what I've been predicting for quite... And who needs the Fed?

00:29:10.000 I made the argument that private flight will soon enough become a common good.

00:29:14.000 It's actually really obvious that this thing exists.

00:29:18.000 Basically, people on private planes sitting around costs them money, wasting time, So what they do is, they'll be like 6 to 12 seats on a small plane, and you pay for one of those seats.

00:29:29.000 It's literally how commercial flight works, but now you have a small private plane, with drinks, it's only you and a few other people, it's much more comfortable, and it's easier and faster.

00:29:38.000 You go to the airport through the private, you know, a private smaller airport, you're flying on one of these corporate private jets, with typically the same amount of people that would fly on a corporate flight anyway, they're gonna have 6 to 12 people anyway, and it's only gonna cost you, you know, several hundred dollars.

00:29:52.000 Now, it might be some of these flights I looked at, depending on how far they go, they're much more than a commercial flight.

00:29:58.000 Because obviously, you want that private experience with no other people bothering you, no security checkpoints, none of that wasted time.

00:30:05.000 Well, you're paying a premium for a reason.

00:30:07.000 So I've seen some flights that are like double the cost of a commercial flight, but the cost has gone way down for the average person to the point where you could actually afford it if you wanted to.

00:30:15.000 I always tell people this.

00:30:19.000 Even if you could afford it, it doesn't mean you should want to afford it.

00:30:22.000 Like if I fly, I'm not going to waste money.

00:30:24.000 You know, I'm not interested in spending $10,000 on a first class seat.

00:30:28.000 That's insane to me.

00:30:29.000 But some people do it.

00:30:30.000 I guess if you're worth $50 million, you'd do it.

00:30:33.000 But I agree with you.

00:30:34.000 I think if this keeps happening, we're going to get the Uber of planes.

00:30:39.000 Where you're gonna say, like, your flight is at 3 p.m., go to this small airport in this small area, and there's gonna be a small little private jet, no security, no checkpoints, no TSA, because they know you, they've screened you through the app, you walk right up, walk right into the plane, and they're on the runway, and they take off, and it'll be that easy.

00:30:55.000 They'll send a helicopter to your house to pick you up.

00:30:58.000 Do you know how much it costs to, like, charter a helicopter in New York?

00:31:03.000 It's only a couple hundred bucks, depending.

00:31:05.000 So, it's getting to the point where you assume someone's super rich because they're on a helicopter.

00:31:10.000 It's like, actually, I know the average person's not spending a couple hundred bucks for a helicopter, but you think this guy's Rockefeller with a helicopter.

00:31:17.000 It might be some middle-class dude who works at BuzzFeed who's like, I need to make this quick trip on this helicopter upstate.

00:31:24.000 And we're still in the age of combustion.

00:31:24.000 A couple hundred bucks?

00:31:26.000 I mean, we're kind of at the tail end of it.

00:31:28.000 But once, you know, we enhance our battery power, our energy source, like a fusion battery or something, or a nuclear battery, or even solar, you know, obviously.

00:31:37.000 Like, they have solar airplanes.

00:31:38.000 The dude circumnavigated the globe in the first solar airplane.

00:31:40.000 I think it took him like 28 days or 18 days or something.

00:31:43.000 We gotta make our batteries better.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, the carbon twistronic.

00:31:47.000 You know graphene?

00:31:48.000 Are you familiar with the material?

00:31:50.000 It's monolayered atomic carbon.

00:31:52.000 And they figured out by stripping scotch tape off of graphite, they found this layer of carbon that's like amazingly electrically conductive.

00:31:58.000 And they're doing all these experiments with it.

00:31:59.000 They won a Nobel Prize.

00:32:00.000 If you twist it 1.1 degrees, two layers of it creates a superconductor.

00:32:04.000 I mean, we're about to enter the age of graphene.

00:32:06.000 It's going to make steel obsolete, more or less.

00:32:08.000 It's lighter than steel, but stronger.

00:32:10.000 Once production ramps up.

00:32:12.000 2029, I think, is when you're going to start to hit peak graphene.

00:32:12.000 Yeah.

00:32:14.000 So this is one of the problems, I think.

00:32:16.000 I think it's cultural.

00:32:17.000 I think it's absolutely cultural.

00:32:19.000 There's this poll that goes around the study where they asked young people, what do you want to be when you grow up?

00:32:23.000 And, believe it or not, some of these kids, well, first of all, in China, you know what they said?

00:32:28.000 Astronauts.

00:32:28.000 What do you want to be when you grow up?

00:32:30.000 Astronauts.

00:32:31.000 When they asked these American kids and kids in the UK, what do you want to be?

00:32:34.000 These poor kids, they wanted the stupidest job on the planet, YouTuber.

00:32:38.000 Do you believe someone being dumb enough to make a career out of being on YouTube?

00:32:41.000 That's Chris, the Canadian colonel.

00:32:44.000 I'm only half kidding.

00:32:45.000 Who's the astronaut?

00:32:46.000 Chris, the Canadian colonel.

00:32:48.000 Yeah, he was making YouTube videos.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, he's a YouTuber and an astronaut.

00:32:50.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:32:51.000 YouTube's a legit job, but being an influencer is more so what they said.

00:32:56.000 Don't you see how What progress that represents, though.

00:33:01.000 To an extent.

00:33:02.000 Beautiful.

00:33:03.000 What needs to be is influencer or YouTuber comes second, right?

00:33:07.000 So I got on YouTube because I started as a journalist at some of these companies.

00:33:11.000 I was doing technology stuff.

00:33:12.000 I was building drones.

00:33:13.000 Then I started live streaming.

00:33:14.000 Then I started working for Vice, then Fusion.

00:33:16.000 From journalism, I'm like, this is an excellent medium to bring political commentary, news, and reporting.

00:33:24.000 You mentioned the astronaut.

00:33:24.000 He's an astronaut first.

00:33:25.000 He's an influencer second.

00:33:27.000 So these kids shouldn't want to be famous for the sake of being famous.

00:33:30.000 They should strive to be something that develops culture and builds on culture, but a lot of them just want to be famous.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, I noticed this firsthand.

00:33:37.000 I was a YouTuber in 2006-7, and the reason it was exciting to watch is because I was also an actor in Los Angeles.

00:33:43.000 And so the YouTube was like a portal into my main life.

00:33:47.000 As soon as I stopped doing that and didn't have a main life and all I was doing was relying on the videos, it became much less interesting.

00:33:54.000 People stopped watching.

00:33:55.000 And it's only when you're doing, I fully agree with what you're saying, being a internet, YouTube, whatever, this is all supplement to what you're really doing with your life.

00:34:03.000 And you can allow people to see it and become a part of it.

00:34:06.000 Inspire people to do more as well.

00:34:09.000 So that's why I'm really adamant about making cultural stuff.

00:34:12.000 So we're going to be filming a vlog with this BMX guy on Sunday who people mentioned in the super chat.

00:34:17.000 He hit me up and I was like, dude, yes, we got a skate park here.

00:34:19.000 Let's get someone on a BMX to do some crazy cool tricks.

00:34:22.000 And we're going to start making more and more stuff to inspire people to do other stuff.

00:34:26.000 The YouTube stuff is fantastic because then people can see what you're doing, be inspired by it.

00:34:30.000 So to wrap this all back up into a nice little package, We've got people who are worried about losing their jobs.

00:34:36.000 What we need is people who are going to start their own job instead of getting a job from somebody else.

00:34:42.000 Too many young people, and going back to what I mentioned about young people saying, well, I can't find work, make work.

00:34:46.000 What did I say I did?

00:34:47.000 I went and played guitar on the subway.

00:34:49.000 I didn't sit there and say the government should give me money.

00:34:51.000 Actually, I did receive unemployment when I got fired.

00:34:53.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:34:53.000 I like that idea.

00:34:54.000 But I said, well, I can't get a job.

00:34:57.000 I can sit around and starve to death, or I can take my small little fiberglass... It's a Stratacoustic... I don't even... I don't know if they make them anymore.

00:35:04.000 And I was like, I'll go play some Top 40s that I like singing in the subway in Chicago.

00:35:07.000 Unfortunately, you need a permit to do it, so I had to go to... I had to go to the... What was it?

00:35:11.000 I can't remember which... The Daily Center.

00:35:11.000 The Tompkins Center?

00:35:14.000 I'd go to the Daily Center, fill out some form, and they gave me this laminate that said, like, okay, this person's allowed to play music in a subway.

00:35:19.000 And then I would play, like, Oasis and CCR, and I was just having fun.

00:35:24.000 I would just put my gig bag out, and I would just start playing the guitar and singing and having fun with it, because I like playing guitar and singing, and I would make, like, 15 bucks an hour.

00:35:33.000 And then I met someone who was like, you know where you make the real money?

00:35:37.000 Wrigley Field.

00:35:39.000 Go play outside of Wrigley.

00:35:41.000 Oh, you'll make money.

00:35:42.000 You know how much I started making outside of Wrigley when I was playing guitar?

00:35:44.000 60 bucks an hour?

00:35:45.000 100 bucks an hour.

00:35:46.000 You know why?

00:35:47.000 You wait until the game is over, you start playing some Top 40s, and these drunk guys come out, and they're all singing with each other and rocking back and forth, and they're just showering you with money all drunk and happy, and I'm like, this is great!

00:36:01.000 I found my own work, you know?

00:36:03.000 Now, ultimately, it wasn't enough.

00:36:06.000 It's not so easy to play eight hours a day, and it's not necessarily marketable, but for a young guy in my 20s, I didn't sit around saying, someone should give me money, or, why won't someone hire me?

00:36:15.000 I said, I'm gonna find a way to make money.

00:36:17.000 And so part of my philosophy has always been, the simplest way to think about economics and jobs and resources is, There's Ian.

00:36:25.000 He's sitting across from me.

00:36:27.000 He's holding a green piece of paper.

00:36:29.000 I need to convince him to give me that green piece of paper without violence, without threats, following basic laws and rules, be persuasive, provide something of value to Ian.

00:36:39.000 So, hey man, I made this, you know, this little doll of you.

00:36:43.000 Would you like to buy it?

00:36:43.000 Ian says, here, I'll give you my green paper.

00:36:46.000 That's all you're really doing.

00:36:47.000 You've got a universal trade medium.

00:36:48.000 Can you convince someone to exchange that with you for something you can offer?

00:36:52.000 Well, you make me think about the rent thing because I when I was in LA New York and Chicago I was so stressed all every month every month.

00:37:01.000 I worked as a waiter.

00:37:02.000 I made 700 bucks a week I was so stressed every month to pay my rent.

00:37:06.000 It was like the last week of every month I was just like it like this gut this pain in my gut Can I afford my bills this month and it was distracting it was taking up my glucose it was wasting my time and my energy and Eventually, I decided I'm going to live in my car, and I had no shower.

00:37:24.000 I would wash my hands with rainwater, but the stress was gone.

00:37:27.000 I had that for the first time in my life.

00:37:29.000 I didn't worry about, can I survive this month?

00:37:32.000 And also, I was brainwashed, like, if I can't pay my rent, my life is over.

00:37:36.000 But I would have lost access to my house and my shower.

00:37:41.000 That stress is insane. This is crazy. It's crazy to me that you know our our great grandparents

00:37:46.000 are great great grandparents the struggles they went through to have a family the the things they

00:37:50.000 did not have no guarantees just hardship and today it's it's it's harder than it was maybe

00:37:57.000 today it's harder than it was you know 2015 or so years ago we had this great economic boom under

00:38:01.000 Clinton I was a little kid so I don't really know a whole lot about how that went for most people

00:38:04.000 but I've heard about it you know on tv and uh I guess then you get the the 2008 crisis now you get

00:38:10.000 the pandemic crisis in the lockdowns and people are all of a sudden having their you know their

00:38:15.000 chairs pulled out from behind them and they're hitting the ground it's a shock to a lot of people

00:38:20.000 Well, getting back to Ian, rent was this constant source of angst, and I think that's true for a lot of Americans.

00:38:29.000 But think about, I'm not saying your apartment in LA was a palace, but my guess is relative to most parts of history, it was a palace in terms of the amenities.

00:38:40.000 And so one way to look at it is, yeah, we're worried about rent.

00:38:44.000 On spaces that in the past people would say, are you kidding me?

00:38:48.000 You are living in a way that Rockefellers realistically could not live.

00:38:53.000 Let's not forget that the first air conditioner was created for a Minneapolis air in the 1930s.

00:39:01.000 These were window units, massive, not even window units weren't even ready.

00:39:05.000 These cost anywhere from $10,000 to $50,000 in the 1930s.

00:39:10.000 Now if you see a window unit, it's in poor parts of town.

00:39:13.000 Again, what the rich enjoy is always an everywhere preview of what everyone will enjoy.

00:39:18.000 Not by 1930s dollars though, right?

00:39:19.000 You're saying by today's dollars?

00:39:24.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:39:25.000 1930s dollars if you wanted to buy.

00:39:27.000 That's like the equivalent of like millions of dollars.

00:39:27.000 It was a $10,000 to $50,000.

00:39:30.000 Precisely.

00:39:31.000 That's why it was a Minneapolis air who was buying the first air conditioner.

00:39:36.000 Like an heir to a fortune?

00:39:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:40.000 Could you imagine?

00:39:41.000 Like you're this rich guy and you're like, check this out.

00:39:43.000 It's 69 degrees in my penthouse.

00:39:46.000 People would be like, wow.

00:39:49.000 So I don't gotta, you know, I can rip off all my sweat rags.

00:39:51.000 It'd be like if we walked in and they're like, all your, all, it's all wireless power in here.

00:39:55.000 There are no wires.

00:39:56.000 Everyone can charge everything.

00:39:57.000 Your phone is charging as soon as you walk in the room.

00:39:59.000 Amazing.

00:39:59.000 You'd be like, man, that's crazy.

00:40:01.000 I would pay a couple million for that to be the first.

00:40:05.000 Especially if you're a YouTuber, you can show the world.

00:40:06.000 Well, you know, you know there's a statue to the guy who invented air conditioning in Miami?

00:40:10.000 Oh, is that, so Carrier's the most, is it Willis Carrier?

00:40:13.000 That's...

00:40:14.000 Yeah.

00:40:15.000 But there should be, because it built the South.

00:40:18.000 I gotta be honest, people told me this, and I'm pretty sure it's true, but when I heard that, because I lived in Miami for a little bit, I was like, get out of here, I don't believe you.

00:40:27.000 And there's a statue of the guy who invented air conditioning, because you could not live here without air conditioning.

00:40:32.000 People don't get that.

00:40:33.000 Now, it's remarkable.

00:40:36.000 Every building, everywhere you go in Miami, you can see all of the condensation on the windows because everyone's inside in the summer.

00:40:44.000 Or they're at the beach.

00:40:44.000 Miami Beach is pretty awesome.

00:40:45.000 But they're inside for the most part with the air conditioning on blast.

00:40:48.000 You know how they say that?

00:40:49.000 Think about what that means.

00:40:51.000 Because in India right now, 10%, and that's a high number of New Delhi, is air conditioned.

00:40:59.000 Families are physically ill because it's so hot and you don't sleep.

00:41:06.000 And so, think about what it means that so much of America is air-conditioned.

00:41:11.000 Well, to be fair, London isn't very air-conditioned either.

00:41:14.000 I don't know what their deal is.

00:41:17.000 I hate going there.

00:41:19.000 In America, we have air-conditioning!

00:41:21.000 That's right.

00:41:22.000 We are, we're a different people.

00:41:24.000 A lot of people use kerosene as well in like African countries and things to, uh, for light because they don't have electric light.

00:41:29.000 Well, they got gravity lights now.

00:41:31.000 Yes.

00:41:32.000 I bought one of those.

00:41:32.000 I love those.

00:41:33.000 We should get one.

00:41:33.000 Those are cool.

00:41:34.000 We should get in here.

00:41:35.000 Okay.

00:41:35.000 You ever see a gravity light?

00:41:36.000 No.

00:41:37.000 It's a high ratio gear system.

00:41:40.000 And you lift a rock up on a, on a, on a rope or string.

00:41:43.000 And then over time, the rock's weight pulls the gears, which spins, powering the light.

00:41:49.000 And then once it goes all the way to the bottom, You just back up 60 bucks.

00:41:53.000 Yeah.

00:41:54.000 Super cool.

00:41:54.000 But kerosene will kill people.

00:41:56.000 A lot of death from kerosene inhalation.

00:41:58.000 So we're we're what I wonder is are we have we caused a population boom that is untenable like the white tailed deer?

00:42:04.000 They say you need to hunt white tailed deer because they'll eat so much they'll grow out of control and then they'll destroy the ecosystem.

00:42:10.000 Like if we have air conditioning and unlimited water and food, are we just going to overproduce and then become eat ourselves to death?

00:42:17.000 OK, Thanos.

00:42:17.000 Is that like?

00:42:18.000 Like, is part of starvation part of keeping the human population level?

00:42:24.000 So what's the statistic?

00:42:25.000 If you took the whole world's population right now and jam them all into Texas, Texas would look like San Francisco.

00:42:33.000 If you added Oklahoma to it, it would be the equivalent of putting four people per house with a yard in the house.

00:42:41.000 We haven't come close to scratching the surface of the United States.

00:42:46.000 Not only that, I mean, Elon Musk is trying to go to Mars.

00:42:49.000 Not that I think Mars life is going to be... I don't think people are going to have cities on Mars.

00:42:54.000 Maybe we will, but they'll be biodomes, essentially.

00:42:56.000 They'll be enclosed and we'll have to build inside structures to maintain the atmospheres and things like that.

00:43:02.000 Maybe.

00:43:02.000 But I think...

00:43:04.000 One thing people often overlook is that technology solves a lot of the problems of our day.

00:43:08.000 So, are you familiar with the Great Poop Crisis?

00:43:11.000 The manure crisis of New York City?

00:43:13.000 No.

00:43:14.000 I could be wrong about this, so you guys can fact check me.

00:43:15.000 I want to make sure.

00:43:16.000 But I was reading about how the turn of the century, 1800s, 1900s in New York, They were like, the manure crisis will destroy New York City, because the horses are pooping everywhere, and the population density is so large.

00:43:30.000 They were like, we predicted in 30 years there will be piles of manure on every street corner, and then the car got invented.

00:43:36.000 And then all of a sudden the horses were gone!

00:43:37.000 Carbon emissions.

00:43:38.000 Now the carbon emissions are happening, and this is what people say.

00:43:41.000 We need to invent the next iteration of transport that solves for that problem.

00:43:47.000 Well, you got Tesla on the rise.

00:43:48.000 It's not perfect because electricity still generates carbon in other areas, but hydrogen cells or maybe some kind of solid-state battery technology could greatly improve this.

00:43:58.000 Maybe we eventually implement enough renewables in certain areas for charging certain vehicles.

00:44:06.000 We could offset lot of our carbon emissions with renewables, but right now

00:44:12.000 we don't have the technology to just end carbon, you know fossil fuel technology

00:44:16.000 One of the problems we have with the left is they're saying get rid of all fossil fuels out right right now

00:44:21.000 We can't do that, but we can use nuclear wind solar geothermal tidal

00:44:26.000 hydro-dam stuff for certain Certain bits that we could offset and then we still have

00:44:31.000 fossil fuels for the long-term stuff of the winter so And we can reuse carbon emissions, too.

00:44:35.000 Almost immediately, coming out of the smokestack, you can recapture it, and then... They could turn it into graphene.

00:44:39.000 Yeah.

00:44:40.000 You could condense it.

00:44:41.000 Let's never forget that oil existed on this Earth for, obviously, millennia, and no one knew that it had a capability.

00:44:47.000 And so, to Ian's point about that graphene, We haven't scratched the surface of discovering the different ways that the world around us can power us, can cure cancer, all sorts of things, and so technology is going to fix this, and the idea that the gas-powered car is the frontier of transportation

00:45:07.000 ignores history. Let's not forget in the 19th century whale oil was the fifth largest industry

00:45:13.000 in the United States. Things changed. So a dynamic economy like ours to presume that

00:45:17.000 gasoline powered cars are the frontier. No no no no. We just have to overcome the authoritarians.

00:45:24.000 These central planners, these command economists, these are the people saying we should ban

00:45:28.000 airplanes because it's bad for the planet.

00:45:30.000 Could you imagine if we had all these horses pooping everywhere and they're like, ban travel!

00:45:34.000 Don't let people have horses because we're worried about what the horse manure will look like in 30 years.

00:45:37.000 We're like, let us invent.

00:45:39.000 Let humans invent.

00:45:41.000 It's fascinating to me that, you know that old quote from the head of the patent office where he's like, everything that can be invented has been invented in like 1899 or something?

00:45:48.000 You've heard that before?

00:45:50.000 This is insane!

00:45:51.000 We didn't even discover the electromagnetic spectrum at that point.

00:45:54.000 Now it's like, man, if this guy even understood the electromagnetic spectrum, as well as petrochemicals.

00:46:00.000 Man, plastics didn't exist.

00:46:02.000 All of a sudden now, they used to have shotgun shells, used to be big thick brass cartridges.

00:46:07.000 Now it's just plastic.

00:46:09.000 They still use brass a little bit, but it's plastics replace a lot of things.

00:46:12.000 The funny thing now is they're all screaming, oh, but plastics are destroying the planet!

00:46:16.000 Well, now a couple things have happened.

00:46:17.000 There's been developments in fungi and bacteria that can break down plastics and turn it into sugar.

00:46:22.000 And we've also seen natural emergence of bacteria that eats plastic.

00:46:26.000 Why?

00:46:27.000 Because evolution.

00:46:29.000 Life finds a way.

00:46:30.000 I think there's a lot of pessimists who think the world is gonna blow up and just like, we're all gonna die and we're doomed.

00:46:35.000 And these people scare me because, look, it's one thing, in my opinion, to talk about the political conflict with these people.

00:46:41.000 That's what I'm scared of.

00:46:42.000 I'm not scared of the apocalypse because I think humans are smart.

00:46:45.000 I think humans invent.

00:46:46.000 And every problem we've seen over the past, humans have done a really good job of adapting to it and developing technologies to avert certain things.

00:46:52.000 However, the big problem is the lunatic ideologue authoritarians who don't want that.

00:46:58.000 And instead say, we must have my command central planning, or effectively, you know, fascism or communism.

00:47:05.000 Then they tell people what they can or can't do, and then what happens?

00:47:08.000 Chernobyl blows up.

00:47:09.000 And then you get the elephant's foot, and people are dying, and there's radioactive carbon particles all up in the air, and everyone's freaking out.

00:47:14.000 The command economists cause lots of problems.

00:47:17.000 I heard a conspiracy theory that the CIA was involved with blowing up Chernobyl.

00:47:23.000 They're not smart enough, trust me.

00:47:26.000 They're like, there's no way that was an accident.

00:47:27.000 I don't know.

00:47:29.000 What do you think is like the short term and then medium to long term?

00:47:33.000 What's your medium long term plan as well as short term plan?

00:47:37.000 For me?

00:47:37.000 Yeah, just to evolve the economy and bring us to a sustainable.

00:47:41.000 I think he's the not plan guy.

00:47:43.000 I'm the not-planned guy, but for all the reasons that you all are talking about, we keep discovering things.

00:47:50.000 And so I want to limit government and expand freedom simply because The resources we create in the economy today are going to lead to such discoveries of new things.

00:48:02.000 You know, politicians are constrained by the known.

00:48:05.000 That's why I think it's so deadly.

00:48:06.000 They say, we're going to bring back jobs.

00:48:08.000 Bringing back jobs is the single worst way to build, grow an economy.

00:48:12.000 It destroys it.

00:48:13.000 You bring back the past, you push away the investment, you push away the talent.

00:48:17.000 No offense, everyone out there, the most talented people don't want to work in factories.

00:48:22.000 So if you promise to bring back factories, you repel the talent that

00:48:25.000 attracts investment.

00:48:26.000 There are a lot of people who want to work in factories and have experience

00:48:29.000 working in it.

00:48:30.000 I mean, so one of the things I've often talked about with a bunch of my little

00:48:33.000 lefty friends, listen, if there's a guy who spent 30 years as a postmaster, you

00:48:39.000 know, he's, he's in his, maybe 60 years old now.

00:48:42.000 He's had this job for a long time.

00:48:44.000 He's not going to go learn to code.

00:48:46.000 He's not going to learn to build a solar panel.

00:48:47.000 What's that person supposed to do?

00:48:49.000 Now, I understand there's a challenge.

00:48:51.000 A lot of the left likes to bring up, you would destroy the car industry to save Big Horse.

00:48:56.000 Like, that's their joke.

00:48:57.000 And I'm like, well, I don't want to stifle Progress.

00:49:02.000 But what do we do about those who have lost jobs due to technological advancement through no fault of their own?

00:49:08.000 I don't think it's fair to just say you lose your livelihood, you're out, have a nice day.

00:49:12.000 What's that person going to do?

00:49:14.000 It's a great question, but show me the places in the U.S.

00:49:17.000 where jobs are destroyed most rapidly.

00:49:19.000 I will also show you the places where jobs are created most rapidly.

00:49:23.000 People talk about Silicon Valley as tech and coder jobs, but the reality is that's where the job creation is fastest for personal trainers, for chefs, for baristas, for doctors, lawyers.

00:49:36.000 It's because those services need supplemental services.

00:49:38.000 Where there's talent, there's never a problem of job creation.

00:49:43.000 But you show me the places where they're trying to freeze the present in place.

00:49:48.000 I'll show you.

00:49:50.000 Very difficult times getting jobs.

00:49:52.000 Let's never forget that Aliquippa PA used to be where immigrants came to get jobs.

00:49:58.000 It was the steel industry factories.

00:50:01.000 Now, what did those parents say?

00:50:03.000 Tony Dorsett's father, Mike Ditka's father, all these famous things.

00:50:06.000 They said, you get out of town.

00:50:08.000 There's a book about this, about this guy, Frank Morocco.

00:50:12.000 He got a scholarship to North Carolina State.

00:50:14.000 And he comes back.

00:50:15.000 He got homesick at North Carolina State.

00:50:17.000 And he comes back and his six brothers, who all worked in the mills in Aliquippa, were waiting from the airport.

00:50:22.000 And they said, get back on that GD plane and don't come back.

00:50:26.000 As in, we lived this.

00:50:28.000 This is awful.

00:50:29.000 You have an opportunity to get out of Aliquippa.

00:50:33.000 Closing steel mills did not destroy Aliquippa.

00:50:36.000 What destroyed it was that the talent left.

00:50:38.000 And the talent left is the parents said, get out of here.

00:50:41.000 Well, what about, let's talk about Michigan.

00:50:43.000 Right.

00:50:44.000 The auto plants, they move overseas.

00:50:48.000 They move to Mexico or send some of their work to China.

00:50:52.000 And then all of a sudden there's no cash flow coming into these places.

00:50:55.000 And so these supplemental jobs like lawyers, doctors, chefs, personal trainers, don't have income anymore and they're forced to leave.

00:51:01.000 Then you end up getting brain drain in these areas.

00:51:04.000 If we incentivized or provided tax incentive or resources to factories, to auto companies to start factories there, we could revitalize this and help Americans in Michigan.

00:51:17.000 I don't think so and I think you know why.

00:51:19.000 In the 1920s, In 1930s, guess where the most factories were in the United States?

00:51:26.000 The biggest manufacturing economies in the United States.

00:51:28.000 The four cities.

00:51:29.000 New York was number one.

00:51:30.000 Imagine that.

00:51:31.000 Flint and Detroit were two and three.

00:51:34.000 Los Angeles was four.

00:51:37.000 If the departure of factories destroyed cities, New York and Los Angeles would be desperate monuments to the past.

00:51:44.000 No, what destroys cities is the departure of human capital.

00:51:48.000 And human capital goes to the future.

00:51:52.000 It does not go to the past.

00:51:53.000 And so to subsidize keeping what the rest of the world wants and what the rest of the world will do exponentially cheaper for you is the path toward economic decline.

00:52:03.000 So what then do you do when, let's say, you know, factories did leave Michigan, right?

00:52:10.000 So then left everywhere.

00:52:10.000 Yeah.

00:52:12.000 What do you think was the reason people started leaving Michigan?

00:52:15.000 They didn't.

00:52:16.000 The talented people did not want factory jobs.

00:52:19.000 They did not want the past.

00:52:21.000 And so when you drive away the talented, you drive away jobs across the board.

00:52:26.000 But what drove away the talented?

00:52:27.000 What were they doing?

00:52:28.000 Were they there in the first place?

00:52:29.000 I mean, it was booming.

00:52:30.000 Unquestionably.

00:52:31.000 Let's not forget that Michigan used to be Silicon Valley.

00:52:35.000 Detroit used to be Silicon Valley.

00:52:38.000 And why was it?

00:52:40.000 It was because just about every business founded in Detroit failed.

00:52:45.000 In Silicon Valley today, just about every startup out there dies.

00:52:49.000 Nine out of ten.

00:52:50.000 It's a monument to failure.

00:52:52.000 But that's the source of its success.

00:52:54.000 They don't live in the past.

00:52:56.000 There are no sacred cows.

00:52:57.000 What fails is liquidated.

00:52:59.000 So in Detroit, they started bailing out the past.

00:53:04.000 And in doing that, they created sclerosis.

00:53:07.000 So what if they said, new startup companies will get a tax break?

00:53:14.000 I think it's a mistake, and I think you know why that's a mistake.

00:53:17.000 Look, I'm all for low taxes.

00:53:20.000 New startups don't make any money to be taxed in the first place.

00:53:23.000 That's a good point.

00:53:24.000 So how do you get the smart people back to a place like Michigan?

00:53:27.000 It's hard to say, because let's look at another obvious American example.

00:53:32.000 Seattle in the 1970s was Detroit.

00:53:35.000 Remember, it's a true story that there was a sign up, and the last person to leave Seattle turned out the lights.

00:53:41.000 It was a dying city.

00:53:44.000 Well, Bill Gates happened to grow up there, so did Paul Allen.

00:53:47.000 They started Micro-Soft in Albuquerque, New Mexico, but they had an affinity for Seattle.

00:53:52.000 They came back, and in coming back, they transformed the city.

00:53:56.000 Who knows why, but they chose it, and then Jeff Bezos.

00:54:00.000 These different people come out there.

00:54:02.000 Talent.

00:54:03.000 Very few, the vital few, revive cities.

00:54:05.000 Government cannot do it.

00:54:07.000 And so to me the only answer is to say, the last thing you'd want to do as a Buffalo New York is have a high tax rate.

00:54:13.000 It's going to make it less likely.

00:54:14.000 I'll tell you this, New Jersey drove us out.

00:54:17.000 We were in the Philly area, just on the other side of the river, in New Jersey, and the authoritarianism and mismanagement and high taxes It was very clear to me, you do not want to be here.

00:54:28.000 And even now, Maryland is pretty awful as well.

00:54:32.000 And so as we're looking to expand and looking at how we're going to actually have a structure, a corporate structure that exists beyond just this one show, yeah.

00:54:40.000 I mean, these states are really good at driving away talent.

00:54:45.000 To be somewhat humble, I suppose.

00:54:46.000 We were looking at building a city a couple years ago.

00:54:48.000 Me and Tim were like, yeah, let's do it.

00:54:50.000 We're sitting in the cafe and you're like, yeah, let's buy this small town in Pennsylvania and we'll start it.

00:54:55.000 And I was visualizing like me, you and like six other people and the firemen and like the sheriff.

00:55:01.000 But now I'm starting to think if we build it up around a university, like a lake where we build graphene or like a A campus or something?

00:55:08.000 I'm not going anywhere near a university.

00:55:09.000 Well, if we build a learning facility that'll give people a reason to go there other than the cult worship of, like, I hope I see Tim Pool walking around town, like, a real reason to build some tech.

00:55:19.000 We could build, like, even if it's, like, 5,000 people.

00:55:22.000 Like, all cities started from nothing.

00:55:25.000 It started with a few people.

00:55:26.000 Well, so what we were looking at when we were talking about this was that What we do is internet based.

00:55:33.000 So we, what we do need is proximity to an airport so that we could bring guests on the show.

00:55:38.000 Cause if we're four hours up in the middle of the woods in this, you know, small hovel, how are we going to get guests out there?

00:55:43.000 It's not going to be easy to do.

00:55:44.000 So that, you know, puts a, that kind of stifles things.

00:55:47.000 But the general idea is if we can produce content online, that's inspiring people, we don't need to be in LA, New York, Chicago, or any of these big cities.

00:55:55.000 We can literally be in the middle of nowhere in the wild lands or whatever of Pennsylvania

00:55:59.000 and people are going to want to be there.

00:56:01.000 And we're going to be able to connect with people.

00:56:03.000 Might be a lot cheaper in terms of land, a little bit more expensive in terms of importing

00:56:07.000 resources, but then we can actually start growing something and building something.

00:56:10.000 It wasn't so much about creating a city, it was about revitalizing a town that lost its

00:56:15.000 economy, for one reason or another.

00:56:17.000 Economy first for one reason or another so a lot of these towns. I was looking at they used to be booming because of

00:56:19.000 So a lot of these towns I was looking at, they used to be booming because of the railroads.

00:56:22.000 the railroads The railroads had to go through there and stop and make

00:56:24.000 The railroads had to go through there and stop and make various stops and resupply.

00:56:26.000 various stops and resupply and this created peripheral enterprise

00:56:28.000 And this created peripheral enterprise.

00:56:29.000 Restaurants imported goods fuel the train would stop we need this that in this we there you go now that we have

00:56:30.000 Restaurants, imported goods, fuel, the train would stop.

00:56:34.000 We need this, that, and this.

00:56:36.000 There you go.

00:56:37.000 truckers Freight they don't stop anymore a lot of these not a lot of

00:56:41.000 these small towns are just drying up disappearing So that was one of the one of the ideas maybe we could you

00:56:45.000 know help bring back life to one of these small towns Ultimately, we just decided to go to the middle of nowhere

00:56:50.000 for the most part and close enough to DC to where people could

00:56:54.000 Easily get here. What concerns me about the town thing is the centralization of it because I'm kind of with you guys

00:56:59.000 I'm not really into centralization.

00:57:00.000 I see the danger of it and the, you know, the flaws in it, the holes in it.

00:57:05.000 It makes it, you become vulnerable when you centralize your plan because people know where it is and they can attack it if they want.

00:57:12.000 But also there's a value to community and being around other humans physically, like you're here.

00:57:18.000 It's way different than if you were on Skype.

00:57:20.000 No question.

00:57:21.000 So what do you think is the balance of centralizing city planning or cities in the future?

00:57:26.000 I see like magnetic trains taking us from small community to small community.

00:57:30.000 Why aren't we building maglev trains?

00:57:32.000 I would love to do that.

00:57:33.000 Why is it that Tucker Carlson points out, and Bill Maher, this is amazing, Bill Maher and Tucker Carlson point out nearly at the exact same time, within a few days of each other, that China's got 40,000 kilometers of high-speed rail.

00:57:44.000 We can't do it.

00:57:45.000 Why can't we do it?

00:57:47.000 Is it possible we could do it, but we're not going to waste the kind of money?

00:57:52.000 Again, implicit in what the state builds is that politicians have some hotline of the future.

00:57:58.000 I reject the notion.

00:57:59.000 Oh, the opposite.

00:58:00.000 Precisely.

00:58:01.000 And so who cares that China's got that?

00:58:03.000 Guess what?

00:58:04.000 Go to China.

00:58:06.000 You know what they worship?

00:58:07.000 They worship everything American.

00:58:09.000 Any city in China you go to, there's McDonald's, KFC, Apple Store, Nike Store.

00:58:14.000 What we do in the United States is venerated there.

00:58:17.000 So I think China's rise is amazing.

00:58:21.000 But to pretend that what the state did somehow diminishes what happens here, I think speaks to a lack of understanding on the part of both Tucker Carlson and Bill Maher about what grows a society and an economy.

00:58:34.000 The problem with China is the authoritarian communist party that has its tendrils and everything.

00:58:38.000 There's a big difference between like a regular person really liking McDonald's and American Enterprise, and then the creepiness of the authoritarian state, you know, controlling everything.

00:58:48.000 No question, but even there, people worry about that.

00:58:52.000 Well, if the state is that authoritarian, if it's got its hands so much in business, That's a problem for us because it means China's not going to grow as much as we thought.

00:59:03.000 Because the more China grows, the more that we grow.

00:59:06.000 It's the division of labor that's always built up countries.

00:59:09.000 And so I think people mistake the threat of China, but I also think it's certainly true that when you look at China in a broad sense, If they're going in the direction that people say they are, it's not going to be a threat.

00:59:25.000 But my understanding from it is, is that the Chinese, the typical Chinese person on the ground doesn't experience the state a whole lot.

00:59:34.000 Why wouldn't China be a threat, though, if they grow?

00:59:34.000 Sure.

00:59:37.000 Because if they're growing economically, it means they're meeting our needs, which means that we get to specialize even more, which means we get to grow even more.

00:59:46.000 Never is it true that a country growing economically hurts others around them.

00:59:51.000 Almost by definition, they help us expand because they do work that's not in our self-interest to do.

00:59:58.000 They make t-shirts, socks, and shoes, and that frees us up to create the most valuable companies in the world.

01:00:04.000 So then I'll reference a good old Timcast IRL cliche.

01:00:09.000 Are you familiar with Thucydides Trap?

01:00:11.000 No.

01:00:11.000 It's this concept that whenever a rising economic power is about to displace the dominant economic power, war erupts.

01:00:19.000 And there's been, for at least a decade now, fear that that's going to happen between the US and China, particularly with the constant cyber warfare that's been going on for some time.

01:00:27.000 Then you've got the Chinese strike groups going through the Strait of Taiwan, I believe it's called.

01:00:33.000 And their claims to the South China Sea, the sinking of Vietnamese boats, the expanding of the military into the South China Sea, into the atolls.

01:00:40.000 And recently we had an elephant walk in Guam, and I think the U.S.

01:00:47.000 retreated our military forces and brought them back to the U.S.

01:00:52.000 There was a fear that China could have wiped out that entire force.

01:00:57.000 So, there's real concerns that with China taking Hong Kong, right now they're doing beaching drills, which people assume is mostly about seizing Taiwan, that if the U.S.

01:01:07.000 can't maintain that control, China's economic growth will eventually displace the U.S., and they're on track for 2028, I believe, right now, and then war.

01:01:17.000 Well, if they go to war with us, it would destroy their economy.

01:01:21.000 Now, it may be that they don't care about that, but And then if we say that their economy will displace ours, no.

01:01:29.000 It would be potentially bigger in a backwards number like GDP terms, but China's a desperately poor country relative to us.

01:01:36.000 They'll still be exponentially poorer than we are.

01:01:39.000 in 2020.

01:01:40.000 Their per capita income right now is what?

01:01:43.000 $4,000 a year.

01:01:43.000 In Aliquippa, PA, that poor depressed American city, it's over $20,000.

01:01:48.000 So it's still a very poor country.

01:01:51.000 But again, if they grow richer, they will grow richer because the US becomes Quite a bit richer than the rest.

01:01:58.000 But isn't that per capita GDP just based on the fact that the authoritarian government is authoritarian?

01:02:03.000 I mean, they've got more millionaires in China.

01:02:05.000 I mean, for an obvious reason as well, they've got substantially more people.

01:02:07.000 When has the state ever been able to build an economy like that?

01:02:10.000 We know authoritarianism from the 20th century.

01:02:14.000 We know what it looked like.

01:02:15.000 It smelled intensely.

01:02:17.000 It was lines for shoes that didn't fit and that you didn't want.

01:02:21.000 What did P.J.

01:02:22.000 O'Rourke always say?

01:02:23.000 That Bulgarian blue jeans ended the Cold War.

01:02:26.000 China is not authoritarian in the way that the communist world was in the 20th century, where the people were desperately hungry, deprived, miserable.

01:02:37.000 To go to China is to go to a very modern place.

01:02:41.000 Again, I'm not defending every aspect about it, but I think it's a mistake to say that they're authoritarian in the way that the former Soviet Union was, or that Cuba is today, or that North Korea is.

01:02:52.000 I mean, in what sense though?

01:02:53.000 They currently have concentration camps?

01:02:56.000 They would argue that we do, too.

01:02:58.000 That this is not me bashing—I love the United States.

01:03:01.000 The Chinese always wonder, well, the U.S.

01:03:05.000 treated Indians in a certain way.

01:03:06.000 They treated black people in a certain way.

01:03:09.000 Why is it that we're criticized for certain things that we do?

01:03:14.000 Again, I'm not defending... Because they're doing them now.

01:03:16.000 Guantanamo Bay?

01:03:17.000 And because they have nuclear weapons, and because they're growing at such a rate that if there is right now a country that currently thinks it's okay to engage in the formation of concentration camps and ethnic genocide, and there's another country, the United States, the dominant superpower, which doesn't agree with that, and that's inherently better than the other, Why would we let a country that supports genocide and concentration camps take over the global economy and challenge our authority?

01:03:43.000 A country can't take over a global economy.

01:03:47.000 It's its people within it.

01:03:48.000 The U.S.

01:03:49.000 is the biggest economy, most prosperous economy in the world, but if you went to, again, Burkittsville, Maryland, would you think that?

01:03:58.000 I mean, there are parts of the U.S.

01:04:00.000 that are very rich.

01:04:01.000 There are parts of the U.S.

01:04:02.000 that are desperately poor.

01:04:04.000 Same with China.

01:04:05.000 It's not a country thing.

01:04:07.000 But the more China grows rich, by definition, its wealth redounds to us.

01:04:17.000 If they're not, by virtue of getting rich, that means that they're improving our lives by selling us things that we need, which allows us to specialize.

01:04:24.000 Or they're gaining influence over our country's leaders, who then pass laws favorable to China, which suppress our rights.

01:04:31.000 Case in point, when Hong Kong was being essentially taken over by China, you couldn't buy a custom jersey from the NBA that said, Free Hong Kong.

01:04:38.000 They banned it.

01:04:39.000 People like Mark Cuban and Steve Kerr came out in defense of Chinese authoritarianism.

01:04:43.000 Why?

01:04:43.000 Because they were in on the take.

01:04:45.000 If China grows powerful and they gain access to all these resources, they start making more money because they make our medicine, because they make most of our, you know, many of our basic goods that we can't manufacture anymore.

01:04:56.000 Then at a certain point, you are going to see our, we have our politicians, we have Joe Biden flying his son on Air Force Two to China for a private equity deal, and then they're going to be deferential to Chinese authoritarianism as opposed to American constitutionalism.

01:05:12.000 And then one day you'll wake up and find that you have politicians saying things like, we should allow the Chinese way of life into our universities, which we have the Thousand Talents program.

01:05:21.000 You're gonna end up with people like Mark Cuban, a prominent TV personality, advocating on behalf of Joe Biden to get elected and advocating against the First Amendment, our own constitutional rights.

01:05:31.000 What we thought was going to happen was that opening up China and expanding our trade deals, there was this idea among this neoliberal group of global politicians that trade lines will end war.

01:05:44.000 I heard it from Penn Jillette, actually, and I believe he's active in the Cato Institute.

01:05:49.000 He said what ended war between Great Britain and France, or England and France, was economics.

01:05:55.000 They realized they could all become much better off and wealthier.

01:06:00.000 To a certain degree, they have a very different culture for a certain amount of time, but then they also share certain values, namely religious values and basic moral framework.

01:06:08.000 The United States does not share a moral framework with Chinese communism.

01:06:12.000 So as China gains more power, we thought they would become more like us.

01:06:16.000 In fact, the opposite is true.

01:06:17.000 Do you think the state controls the economy in China?

01:06:20.000 I think that the Communist Party has tendrils in all of their major corporations.

01:06:24.000 So what are you worried about then?

01:06:26.000 Based on what you're saying, they're not a threat economically.

01:06:29.000 Because unless the Chinese are genetically superior in such a way that their businesses can somehow survive the state wanting to control what they do, and we know here that the state is limited by the known, you guys are planning an all-new way of doing things economically that politicians would be surprised about because they've never even heard of it.

01:06:49.000 So unless the Chinese are somehow unique, what you're describing signals their eventual decline economically.

01:06:56.000 I don't think so.

01:06:57.000 What they're doing is they're allowing capitalistic enterprise while making sure that certain things that would threaten their structures can't exist.

01:07:07.000 So, for instance, we see this now in the US in many ways.

01:07:10.000 If you say the wrong opinion or even the wrong name on these platforms, you'll be eliminated.

01:07:16.000 You say complimentary things, you know, we're talking about doing a sitcom, we're talking about expanding and producing culture.

01:07:21.000 At any moment, any one of these Any part of the infrastructure, the chain links, that allows us to exist could ban us for an arbitrary reason.

01:07:28.000 And we see it all the time.

01:07:29.000 People get erased from the internet.

01:07:31.000 Their opinions are not allowed to exist.

01:07:32.000 And there's an attempt by this dogmatic cult to create a monoculture in this country, very similar to what we see in China.

01:07:39.000 So what the Chinese Communist Party did that was brilliant, when they watched the collapse of the Soviet Union, when they watched the failures of the fascists, they realized, you know what works?

01:07:49.000 Allow capitalistic systems to function to a certain degree, and then make sure we have a place to stop anything that would challenge our ultimate authority and power.

01:07:59.000 We want businesses to grow and flourish, but if at a certain point we see something that would upend our power, we shut it down.

01:08:06.000 So what happens in China?

01:08:07.000 Censorship.

01:08:08.000 If you go online and say, there was a, you know, we had this viral video where a guy was buckled to a chair and beaten by police for saying he didn't like police.

01:08:17.000 So sure, they have McDonald's.

01:08:19.000 They also get their doors welded shut when they get sick, and then they die.

01:08:22.000 They're treated like things, part of a hive instead of individuals.

01:08:26.000 What's scary then is in the U.S., as more and more of our wealthy individuals, our millionaires, our billionaires, and the lobbyists who are funded by them, Started getting special favor from China.

01:08:38.000 Started having investments in China.

01:08:40.000 They became deferential to China.

01:08:42.000 You'll see these billionaires who would say, if I come out and say free Hong Kong, I might lose a million dollars this year, so I won't do it.

01:08:48.000 In fact, if I allow people to buy a NBA jersey that says free Hong Kong, China will get mad at me and we'll lose our NBA contract, so I won't allow that.

01:08:56.000 Now Americans were actually barred from saying free Hong Kong.

01:09:00.000 That's a value that we hold dear in terms of our history with classical liberalism, freedom of the individual and the consent of the governed.

01:09:07.000 China doesn't respect that.

01:09:08.000 The more power they gain economically over our industries and our politicians, the more those politicians are going to keep deferring to China.

01:09:15.000 And then come 2028, when their economy displaces ours, there's going to be a substantially large amount of very wealthy individuals flooding money all throughout the United States to pass laws that suppress the rights of American citizens.

01:09:28.000 Now, the Chinese Communist Party has their party branch in all of these companies in China.

01:09:34.000 If you want to open a Google office in China, the Communist Party gets a branch.

01:09:39.000 Well, in the United States, we're getting something similar with the Office of Diversity, Inclusivity, and Equity, this cult-like ideology of leftist identitarianism, which functions in a very, very similar way.

01:09:50.000 And it seems, in many ways, deferential to China.

01:09:53.000 So my fear is, if the United States continues down a path of culturelessness, or cultural stagnation, and we keep deferring to, hey, we all make money when China makes our vitamin C and our antibiotics, eventually China is just going to have all the money, and they're going to be able to pay people off, and it's been happening, and it's working, and it's bad for us.

01:10:13.000 Case in point, the numerous amount of university professors who were arrested and charged with taking money from China Without telling the U.S.

01:10:22.000 government.

01:10:23.000 So you had professors who were getting grants from the U.S.

01:10:25.000 government, and then also secretly taking money from the Chinese Communist Party, essentially or allegedly, to then give American research to China.

01:10:34.000 So we pay for it.

01:10:35.000 The American taxpayer, the American labor, and then China uses it to exploit us.

01:10:40.000 They then gain more economic influence, they then give incentives to our millionaires and our billionaires, who then turn around and tell all of these local politicians, they pay for these commercials, and they run propaganda and politicians that suppress our rights and take away from us.

01:10:54.000 If this keeps continuing, eventually China will actually invade Taiwan, Joe Biden won't be able to do anything about it.

01:11:04.000 The rest of the world will say the US is unable to protect its allies.

01:11:07.000 And then China becomes the global dominant power.

01:11:10.000 And then when you talk about all this wonderful American culture that spreads across the globe, it will start changing into Chinese communist culture.

01:11:17.000 Then in the United States, which we're already seeing calls for banning hate speech, they're going to be people who end up in prison and beaten for saying the wrong thing.

01:11:24.000 Once we start losing our constitutional rights, and we are, then how long until we just clap and cheer and watch as China takes over and we just do what they want?

01:11:32.000 Well, because what you're saying once again can't happen if the states plan it.

01:11:37.000 You're saying the Chinese can control the future, they can control businesses, but implicit there is that they know what the businesses of the future will be.

01:11:46.000 We see that as folly all the time in the United States.

01:11:48.000 Let's never forget that back in 2005 Blockbuster wanted to merge with a movie gallery.

01:11:55.000 The FTC said no.

01:11:56.000 Too dominant in home rental video.

01:11:59.000 So out of nowhere comes Netflix and wipes them out.

01:12:03.000 If you go back to 2000, Time Warner wanted to merge with AOL.

01:12:08.000 Government held that up for a year.

01:12:09.000 That was going to be too powerful of an industry.

01:12:12.000 You know, there's no way if that's that they're going to have full control.

01:12:16.000 Oh yeah, well within a few years of that merger, AOL was wiped from the masthead.

01:12:21.000 Back in the 1960s, the view was that if GM isn't controlled, isn't constrained by government a little bit more, they're going to own the whole car industry.

01:12:30.000 By 2008, that same federal government was bailing them out.

01:12:34.000 By definition, when government tries to control business, it is controlling the past.

01:12:41.000 Once the government discovers you, as worthy of plucking for money.

01:12:46.000 Once it discovers the billionaires worthy of plucking, they've discovered the past.

01:12:52.000 Remember, I submit to you Microsoft in the late 90s.

01:12:56.000 That was another allegedly impermeable monopoly, except for that it was unaware of the power of the Internet.

01:13:03.000 It was unaware of the power of search.

01:13:05.000 It was unaware of the power of the smartphone.

01:13:07.000 It was unaware of the power... the list goes on and on.

01:13:11.000 So implicit here is that the Chinese once again have a sense of what the future is.

01:13:17.000 They don't and so if they are trying to control industry they will by definition limit industry's growth and they will not become the economic power you think unless they have a superpower gene that the world has never seen before.

01:13:31.000 But I didn't say that.

01:13:33.000 I didn't say they know what's going to succeed.

01:13:36.000 You implied that they can control the businesses and they will limit them in certain ways so as a way to limit their ability to grow in such a way that would threaten the Communist Party's existence.

01:13:49.000 Yes, and so based on that, in the U.S.

01:13:52.000 what the federal government would have done is come after Microsoft once again, would have come after Blockbuster because you know it was so powerful, would have come after Time Warner and AOL.

01:14:03.000 Government is always looking in the past.

01:14:06.000 And so every time, if that's what the Chinese government's doing, once again, you've got nothing to worry about because the businesses that are going to be dominant in China in the future are not the ones today.

01:14:17.000 And that's the same thing here.

01:14:18.000 If you have me back in five years or 10 years, how much do you want to bet that Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google, and Facebook aren't the five most valuable companies in the world?

01:14:28.000 I'll put any amount of money on that.

01:14:31.000 Perhaps, but how do you explain then the fact that already we are seeing American industrialists

01:14:38.000 support Chinese communism over American constitutional liberalism or classical liberalism?

01:14:43.000 Not liberal in the political sense.

01:14:45.000 Well for one, once again for the typical Chinese, they don't experience government authoritarianism

01:14:52.000 on a daily basis.

01:14:54.000 This is not to defend, but can we at least to some degree admit that when we talk about the dissidents in China and we defend them and we get behind them, It's kind of a rich man's concept.

01:15:07.000 It's a Paris, Los Angeles, New York concept.

01:15:09.000 You think the typical Chinese knows about these dissidents?

01:15:12.000 They don't.

01:15:13.000 Right, so the Great Firewall and the suppression of free speech keeps people ignorant and unable to fight back.

01:15:18.000 I don't think so.

01:15:19.000 I think you'd find the same thing here.

01:15:21.000 Go to Aliquippa PA and see how many people could have this conversation with you.

01:15:25.000 I don't think it's as much suppression because anyone who's at all good with computers in China can get beyond the firewall.

01:15:31.000 Every time I've been to China, you get a VPN, you can get any information you want.

01:15:31.000 It's so easy.

01:15:36.000 Do they suppress Tiananmen Square?

01:15:37.000 You better believe it!

01:15:39.000 But if you have passable knowledge of computers in China, you can get all the information you want about it.

01:15:45.000 And so it's the same thing there.

01:15:46.000 The typical Chinese is just too busy trying to make a living to worry about it.

01:15:50.000 This isn't me defending it, but I think this notion that they're all repressed people is belied by what exists over there.

01:15:59.000 If it were that repressive, it couldn't be that gleaming of a country in many ways with buildings going up and all sorts of economic opportunity.

01:16:07.000 Why do U.S.

01:16:08.000 businesses kowtow?

01:16:10.000 Look, it's a huge market.

01:16:11.000 And why is it a huge market?

01:16:13.000 So long as it doesn't challenge the authority of the Chinese Communist Party and their goals.

01:16:19.000 as it doesn't challenge the authority of the Chinese Communist Party and their goals.

01:16:19.000 It doesn't.

01:16:23.000 But again, that implies that the Chinese Communist Party knows what the future is.

01:16:28.000 It doesn't.

01:16:29.000 I don't understand that.

01:16:30.000 Because the only thing the CCP can do is take on what exists.

01:16:36.000 They built the Great Firewall of China, which you said some people know how to get past.

01:16:40.000 But many people don't know how to get past.

01:16:40.000 Oh my gosh.

01:16:42.000 And many people in the U.S.

01:16:44.000 aren't very good at computers.

01:16:45.000 They don't have near the knowledge of computers that the two of you do here.

01:16:49.000 Yet they were still able to create dozens of websites and an entire alternative media ecosystem that challenges the establishment every day and resulted in the election of Donald Trump, which really pissed off the establishment.

01:17:00.000 The Chinese Communist Party is not going to lose power because they'll lock people up who say the wrong words.

01:17:05.000 Very hard to do, because again, what keeps happening in China is by the time the censors get to it, it's too late and it's already so dispersed.

01:17:14.000 Never forget that you guys, an entrepreneur in Houston once told me, after Obama was elected in 2009 and a lot of people on our side were kind of downcast, I said, are you kidding me?

01:17:24.000 I am way too smart for Obama.

01:17:26.000 I was way too smart for Bush before him.

01:17:29.000 Capitalism and the profit motive and technology.

01:17:32.000 What you guys are talking about here, you're so ahead of the politicians.

01:17:36.000 And to pretend that the Chinese communist politicians somehow have a sense of the future.

01:17:41.000 No, no, no.

01:17:42.000 But you keep saying that and I'm not implying that.

01:17:45.000 I think you're assuming there's an implication.

01:17:46.000 I'm not saying that.

01:17:47.000 OK, so then let's agree.

01:17:48.000 If you if you make a website called, you know, I will dissent, you know, China, they will delete that in two seconds because you are not fast enough, not fast enough.

01:17:59.000 What they keep finding there is that by the time the censors get to it, that the information is already.

01:18:04.000 But that's not the issue.

01:18:05.000 The issue is that over several years in the United States, the ability of people to create some will use right.

01:18:12.000 For example, the Donald.

01:18:14.000 This was a massive community that brought together Trump supporters, and according to MIT's technology review, it was one of the biggest proliferators of memes on the internet, period.

01:18:27.000 In fact, many leftists were adopting the same memes used by Trump supporters, but just reappropriating them back against the right in favor of the left.

01:18:36.000 These forums were eliminated after a certain amount of time, but for years they were allowed to exist.

01:18:41.000 For years certain personalities were allowed to flourish and function on the internet.

01:18:45.000 Twitter called their website the free speech wing of the free speech party.

01:18:48.000 Well, one by one they started eliminating many of these channels and they're still doing it.

01:18:52.000 The United States isn't the same as Communist China, where they can just snap their fingers and eliminate the idea at a moment's notice.

01:18:58.000 Sure, we all see the one meme.

01:19:00.000 But it's not allowed to grow.

01:19:01.000 It's not allowed to develop.

01:19:02.000 A community is not allowed to form.

01:19:04.000 So people are constantly struggling in China with a game of whack-a-mole, where the Communist Party is shutting down those who oppose their power.

01:19:10.000 In the U.S., it seems only recently big tech Silicon Valley and these corporatists, many of whom are deferential to China and other special interests, have started doing the same thing.

01:19:20.000 Twitter says we have a global policy.

01:19:22.000 So right now on Twitter, the problem we face as Americans is that an Australian citizen can go on Twitter and say anything they want about Donald Trump, say, during the election.

01:19:31.000 They can make up every lie in the book.

01:19:33.000 They can scream he's an agent of Russia, and Twitter allowed that.

01:19:36.000 But if you were an American citizen who tried sharing a story about Joe Biden's son, they would ban you, block you, or eliminate that.

01:19:43.000 Now for a long time, this wasn't happening.

01:19:45.000 And it goes against many of the values we hold dear as Americans.

01:19:48.000 Free speech, free inquiry.

01:19:49.000 China is the opposite.

01:19:51.000 They've always been suppressing this information.

01:19:53.000 And they haven't been able to, is my point.

01:19:55.000 They absolutely have.

01:19:57.000 No, they haven't.

01:19:58.000 Once again, anyone with passable computer skills can get whatever they want, information on what the government did with Tiananmen Square.

01:20:05.000 And risk going to jail?

01:20:07.000 It's not a risk.

01:20:08.000 You can't censor everyone.

01:20:10.000 And to your point about Twitter, look, there's no doubt, but implicit there is that Twitter is the frontier of this.

01:20:16.000 I guarantee you, within a year or two, Twitter's going to be yesterday.

01:20:20.000 That's why I wasn't very worried when Amazon and the others went after Parler.

01:20:23.000 Yes, it bothered me.

01:20:28.000 But I guarantee you, what vanquishes Twitter is a company you've never heard of.

01:20:33.000 Yeah, immutable databases like blockchain and IPFS, like PocketNet, things where data can't be deleted.

01:20:40.000 You might be able to try and prevent access to the data, but the data remains.

01:20:43.000 It's the Netflix concept again.

01:20:46.000 Remember, Netflix for years tried to get Blockbuster to buy it.

01:20:50.000 Please, Netflix?

01:20:51.000 Really?

01:20:52.000 And then they wipe them out.

01:20:53.000 We're all focused on Parler right now and oh it's just so unfair what big tech is doing.

01:20:58.000 Guaranteed, it's a company you've never heard of that's going to wipe out Twitter and some of these.

01:21:05.000 And believe me, in our lifetime, how much do you want to bet, let's keep in touch, Amazon's gonna be wiped out by someone younger.

01:21:11.000 The only constant in a free society, and that's why we never have to worry about China because they're not as free, is that the past is constantly being replaced by the future, and I don't see that changing right now.

01:21:24.000 Big tech is a moving target, and how we know that is the only businesses that don't think they're too powerful, that know their power ephemeral, are big tech.

01:21:32.000 Why would they be spending tens of billions of dollars a year on new businesses and new technologies if they thought that they had a dominant position forever?

01:21:41.000 They're doing it because they know, they've seen how, what were the big internet companies when the 20th century began, 21st century began?

01:21:48.000 Yahoo, AOL, eBay.

01:21:50.000 Have you heard about them much lately?

01:21:52.000 Guaranteed, within 10 years, we're not going to be talking about these very much.

01:21:55.000 Because in the year 2000, Mark Zuckerberg was in high school.

01:21:59.000 And I'll bet you any amount of money, within 10 years, some kids in high school today, younger people are going to eclipse these guys.

01:22:06.000 I'm not worried about big tech.

01:22:07.000 So how did the Soviet Union start?

01:22:10.000 How did it start?

01:22:11.000 It was a revolution of workers.

01:22:13.000 They basically wanted to kill the royal family.

01:22:16.000 There was an ideology spreading of communism and Marxism.

01:22:18.000 And I'm not going to pretend to know enough about the history to give you a history lesson

01:22:21.000 or anybody watching.

01:22:23.000 The point I'm simply trying to make is that at some point the country had a dramatic revolution

01:22:27.000 and changed.

01:22:29.000 What happened with the history of China?

01:22:30.000 I mean, how many people died and were killed in China?

01:22:32.000 A hundred million?

01:22:33.000 Something like that.

01:22:34.000 How many people?

01:22:35.000 70 to 100.

01:22:36.000 I don't know.

01:22:37.000 It was a high number.

01:22:38.000 Communism has a body count of over one.

01:22:39.000 Always communist countries.

01:22:40.000 No, no, they weren't. Now I would point out to you, it's rarely the case that this wasn't a workers revolution in

01:22:47.000 Russia And it wasn't a war. It's usually it's upper middle class

01:22:50.000 that foments these riots. It's never workers Absolutely

01:22:53.000 And right now what we're seeing with the woke cultists is they tend to be these, you know

01:22:57.000 Suburban white progressives and a lot of not a lot of people like to hear that I guess but it's it's mostly true

01:23:03.000 It's mostly white people who are critical race theorists So how do we maintain the freedom for an industry to exist

01:23:09.000 when cult ideologies are taking over much like we saw Long time ago in other countries. I've got an optimistic

01:23:15.000 assessment for that We're all free thinkers here.

01:23:18.000 Ultimately, while our ideology, I think I speak for the three of us, tell me if I'm wrong, we love freedom.

01:23:24.000 Oh yeah.

01:23:25.000 If we were running the United States, I guarantee you woke cultists would be everywhere.

01:23:32.000 There'd be 30 AOCs if I were running the United States, 30 Bernies.

01:23:36.000 And why is that?

01:23:37.000 Because I think free people create a lot of wealth.

01:23:40.000 And they create the very wealth that people like Bernie and AOC can demagogue against.

01:23:45.000 Bernie and AOC and Elizabeth Warren are a creation of the wealth they claim to disdain.

01:23:50.000 So in my world there'd be a lot more of them.

01:23:52.000 I'm not surprised that there are a lot of woke cultists in the United States.

01:23:57.000 Massive wealth creation that is born of freedom allows for an endless stupidity.

01:24:04.000 It's in the poor countries where people can't be revoltingly stupid.

01:24:09.000 So, to some degree, I tend to look at some of this and I say, oh yeah, boy, we must be a really rich country because look at some of the stuff kids are able to do out of college.

01:24:20.000 Was China particularly rich when they had their, you know, communist takeover?

01:24:24.000 Yeah.

01:24:24.000 If you look at Shanghai in the 1920s and 30s, it was a very advanced city economically with some of the most talented entrepreneurs in the world.

01:24:34.000 And to be clear, a very global entrepreneurial base, Americans, a huge Jewish population.

01:24:41.000 And then they became communists.

01:24:43.000 Yes, very upper middle class Chinese.

01:24:46.000 A few of them took over and it was destroyed.

01:24:48.000 Global entrepreneurship.

01:24:49.000 The Chinese have a very weird view of the world.

01:24:52.000 They tend to look at things a lot more long term.

01:24:54.000 And so I think they viewed this and this was a tragedy.

01:24:57.000 This isn't defending it for a second.

01:24:59.000 Look, it happens, and so we've got to be vigilant at all times.

01:25:02.000 I'm not saying sit, lay down our arms, but I'm not surprised in a country as rich as the United States that there aren't shockingly dim people out there.

01:25:10.000 We don't make our own medicine.

01:25:12.000 So what?

01:25:13.000 So what if China one day says no medicine for you?

01:25:16.000 Are they going to stop selling it?

01:25:17.000 They could absolutely just decide to stop selling it and cut us off.

01:25:21.000 So they'll sell it to no one?

01:25:22.000 They'll sell it to no one.

01:25:23.000 They'll keep it for themselves.

01:25:24.000 When the pandemic started, what did they do?

01:25:25.000 They turned their ships around and took all the PPE back.

01:25:28.000 Well, so what happened?

01:25:29.000 Do you remember 1973?

01:25:30.000 There was an Arab oil embargo on the United States.

01:25:34.000 Did we stop consuming Arab oil?

01:25:37.000 I wasn't alive.

01:25:37.000 Well, it doesn't mean.

01:25:38.000 You can read the history.

01:25:41.000 Of course not.

01:25:41.000 We still bought every bit as much Arab oil as we did before.

01:25:44.000 We just bought it from those they sold to.

01:25:46.000 Now, it's possible the Chinese would go to the expense of creating all this medicine that saves lives and sit on it.

01:25:53.000 Keep it for themselves to save their lives in a war.

01:25:55.000 You think it wouldn't be smuggled out of the country?

01:25:58.000 You think that if that were the only medicine available, it wouldn't find its way to the U.S.?

01:26:01.000 We've had a drug war against drug use in the U.S.

01:26:04.000 for decades.

01:26:05.000 How does that work?

01:26:06.000 Do you think a black market would displace the entire pharmaceutical industry and delivery of medications?

01:26:11.000 Oh my, no.

01:26:12.000 If the only medications were in China and they were sitting on them, as in you can't sell them, guaranteed, that would be smuggled out.

01:26:20.000 Not in the quantities Americans would need in a war.

01:26:23.000 In which case, very quickly, just as we've been able to mobilize for wars before, you'd very quickly see Americans come up with the answers to that which we don't have.

01:26:33.000 And so I'm not worried about that.

01:26:35.000 The reality is that the U.S.

01:26:37.000 could be at war with every oil-producing nation on Earth and be embargoed by every single other one, and we would still consume all of the oil that they produce as though it bubbled up in West Texas.

01:26:48.000 Let's never forget that England in the 19th century was at war at one time with every European country, and embargoed by all of them, yet they were still importing all that they produced.

01:26:59.000 Think back to World War I. The U.S.

01:27:02.000 imposes a trade embargo on Germany, and guess what happened?

01:27:05.000 Out of nowhere, suddenly all these U.S.

01:27:08.000 exports are going to Scandinavian countries.

01:27:11.000 We were still trading with the Germans, they were just routing them through Scandinavian countries.

01:27:15.000 When the Arabs—their embargo on us in 1973 was entirely symbolic.

01:27:20.000 We still consumed Arab oil.

01:27:22.000 Think about it— Did it cost us more?

01:27:24.000 No!

01:27:24.000 Not one cent more.

01:27:26.000 It cost more because we devalued the dollar, which Tim would know about.

01:27:30.000 We left the stability— Ian, no.

01:27:32.000 Oh, Ian, I'm sorry.

01:27:33.000 But maybe he's right.

01:27:34.000 Yeah.

01:27:35.000 And so you look at modern times, we've got trade embargoes on Iran.

01:27:39.000 Cuba's got brand new cars for years, haven't they?

01:27:43.000 Well, there are iPhones all over Iran.

01:27:45.000 Even though we've got a trade embargo, guess what's the main currency in Iran?

01:27:49.000 The dollar.

01:27:49.000 What's the main currency in North Korea?

01:27:51.000 The dollar.

01:27:52.000 In Venezuela, it's the dollar.

01:27:54.000 Unless you can shut—unless the U.S.

01:27:57.000 literally walls off itself, in which the walls would still be porous, what we produce is everywhere in the world.

01:28:03.000 We could still embargo the rest of the world.

01:28:05.000 It'd still be there.

01:28:06.000 The Chinese can't keep anything of value from the U.S.

01:28:08.000 Yeah, but there's a big difference between free flow of goods and heavily restricted smuggled goods.

01:28:14.000 North Korea is not particularly advanced.

01:28:17.000 I mean, they've got a city, but if you look at the nighttime satellite picture of North Korea versus South Korea, there's a very big difference.

01:28:23.000 I think they're underground.

01:28:24.000 I think they built an underground kingdom.

01:28:27.000 That's a whole other conversation.

01:28:29.000 Look, countries can keep their people down, there's no question.

01:28:32.000 The point is if the Chinese decide to commit economic suicide by not allowing their goods to escape the United States, escape the country, which would be economic suicide for them.

01:28:42.000 Why would it be?

01:28:44.000 Because why would you produce and not sell to the biggest market on earth?

01:28:50.000 Why would you declare war on another country?

01:28:52.000 It's a very good question, but to be clear, usually wars with other countries are what result after trade is broken down with them.

01:29:00.000 It's much less likely for countries to go to war.

01:29:04.000 It's kind of a hackneyed statistic at this point, but as of today I believe it's still true.

01:29:09.000 A country with McDonald's in it has never invaded another country with a McDonald's in it.

01:29:13.000 I've heard that.

01:29:14.000 That's really interesting.

01:29:16.000 You know, when you've got a rooting interest in another country, it's kind of like, would the Chinese invade the US?

01:29:22.000 It's certainly possible, but it'd be the equivalent of Gucci invading Beverly Hills.

01:29:26.000 Dude, if that's a real statistic, that a country with McDonald's never invaded another country, that's really, really promising.

01:29:32.000 Yeah, it's from one of the... I'm not a big fan of his, but it's from a Thomas Friedman book.

01:29:39.000 Oh wait, sorry.

01:29:41.000 Well, I don't know if I want to use Snopes.

01:29:43.000 Let's see what they say.

01:29:44.000 Have two McDonald's-containing countries ever been at war with each other?

01:29:48.000 Whether an economic theory involving McDonald's franchises and war literally holds true largely depends on one's definition of war.

01:29:54.000 They say countries that both have McDonald's have never been involved in a war.

01:29:58.000 Now, Snopes, I'm not a fan of.

01:30:00.000 So when they say something's false, I don't necessarily believe it.

01:30:02.000 When they say something's true, and it's obviously true, I'll use it on purpose.

01:30:06.000 But they go on to mention this, they say, Friedman's idea was somewhat tongue-in-cheek and not necessarily meant to be taken literally and absolutely.

01:30:12.000 It does not seem to have held true in all cases.

01:30:14.000 They say, uh, let's see, communism suffered its first big mech attack today as McDonald's opened up a restaurant in Yugoslavia, and police were called in to keep customers who lined up.

01:30:21.000 There's tensions between different ethnic groups.

01:30:24.000 So, a series of bloody conflicts in the 1990s resulted in piecemeal dissolution of Yugoslavia led to the Kosovo War, which was waged between February 98 and June 99, and pitted the forces of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, uh, blah blah blah, with the Albanian army on the ground.

01:30:41.000 It was the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, whose capital in Belgrade.

01:30:43.000 I'm not going to read the whole thing.

01:30:44.000 I guess the general idea is they're saying depends on your definition of war.

01:30:47.000 But they say in 1989, the U.S.

01:30:49.000 invasion of Panama, 1999, the Kargil War, India and Pakistan over Kashmir, the 2008 Georgian War and the 2014 invasion of Ukraine.

01:30:57.000 So it's very limited.

01:30:59.000 It's yeah, it's it's it's it's fairly powerful in the sense.

01:31:02.000 What's the Bastiat quote?

01:31:04.000 When goods don't cross borders, armies will.

01:31:06.000 I mean, we are trading with each other.

01:31:08.000 The war is much less likely.

01:31:10.000 Limited in the capacity of like World War Two, I guess.

01:31:13.000 Yeah, there's only been like five or six instances of it, and it hasn't been global conflict when it happens.

01:31:18.000 I mean, that's very common sense.

01:31:21.000 I would never want to invade a trade partner.

01:31:22.000 Yeah.

01:31:23.000 I can't say never, but you don't want to kill your best customers.

01:31:25.000 It's just it's just only logical not to kill your best customers.

01:31:28.000 And so I do believe the greatest, cheapest foreign policy the world ever conceived of was trade, obviously, because when we're dividing up work and working for one another, War becomes very expensive.

01:31:41.000 What John F. Kennedy's father always said to him, because he was a global trader, said, son, war is really bad for business.

01:31:50.000 Stay out of the wars!

01:31:51.000 Unless you're Halliburton, unless you're an arms manufacturer.

01:31:54.000 So we've got to keep our eyes on them.

01:31:55.000 Interesting that you say that.

01:31:56.000 But if you look at the companies, the defense contractors in the 1960s, it's common to say that they wanted Vietnam.

01:32:03.000 Their share prices actually fell in the 1960s.

01:32:05.000 It wasn't War is a bad business, and it's a bad business for everyone.

01:32:10.000 All right, well, how about we take some, we move on to Super Chats.

01:32:13.000 And I will absolutely say right now, I don't know what YouTube has been doing, but the other day, we had a bunch of likes get erased.

01:32:20.000 Same thing happened today.

01:32:21.000 Weird.

01:32:22.000 Now, to be fair, we do have some dislikes today, but it's absolutely, like, I'm checking this as I'm watching it happen.

01:32:28.000 So if you like the show, give us a like, because YouTube seems to be erasing likes for some reason.

01:32:34.000 No joke.

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01:33:18.000 All right, so YouTube blocks the name of this first Super Chat, so sorry I can't read your name, but they say, here's $10 to make a TimCast IRL fighting game.

01:33:25.000 Tim Super would be him throwing some seeds and the chicken swarming the bad guy.

01:33:29.000 Ian Super, he drinks graphene and becomes invincible for five seconds.

01:33:33.000 I'm sorry, I've got to stop you there.

01:33:37.000 I would love to make a fighting game.

01:33:38.000 We will look into this.

01:33:40.000 And I think it would be way more fun to make a culture war fighting game.

01:33:43.000 So a long time ago, someone made a culture war fighting game image, a meme, where it was Super Smash Brothers.

01:33:51.000 And it was the character selection screen from Smash Brothers with all of these different culture war personalities.

01:33:55.000 And it was blue on the left and faded slowly to red, representing left, right, and center.

01:34:00.000 And then they had all of these different people like Steven Crowder and Alex Jones and Tim Pool and, you know, Sargon and, and then other, you know, leftist personalities, David Pakman, Kyle Klinsky.

01:34:08.000 I thought it was hilarious.

01:34:09.000 I think it would absolutely be hilarious to make a fighting game based on just political personalities.

01:34:15.000 You know what would be awesome is if it was a two-dimensional or three-dimensional fighting game, but you could at any time zoom into your character and fight first person.

01:34:22.000 I don't know how that would work.

01:34:23.000 And then zoom back out.

01:34:23.000 We need to develop the genre, so that would be cool.

01:34:25.000 I like two-dimensional fighting games.

01:34:26.000 But anyway, what I was going to say is Ian's superpower, he would have some kind of like nano-graphene tech And he would pull the graphene out and it would take

01:34:36.000 different shapes.

01:34:37.000 So Ian would have like one special move, it's like down, forward, punch, and then a claw forms the graphene.

01:34:43.000 And then he could also fire a wire of graphene and electrocute you.

01:34:46.000 Back back B would be like a graphene shield.

01:34:48.000 Would like throw up in front of me for a second.

01:34:50.000 Yup.

01:34:50.000 I'm down.

01:34:51.000 I want chickens. I don't think my superpower would be chickens or anything like that.

01:34:56.000 Lydia gets chickens.

01:34:57.000 Chickens.

01:34:58.000 Chicken master.

01:34:59.000 Carl Roy says, the debate between Ian and Tim was great yesterday.

01:35:03.000 I like Ian, even if I disagree with his opinion on that one.

01:35:05.000 We talked about the debate between objectivism and subjectivism.

01:35:09.000 Well, no, it's objective and subjective evil.

01:35:11.000 Right.

01:35:11.000 There's a lot of philosophers... Good and evil are objective and... I'm sorry to interrupt what you're saying.

01:35:14.000 I was going to say, a lot of philosophers say there's no objective evil, that good and evil are subjective concepts, and I was arguing for So that objective evil does exist, and we had a conversation, we had a debate.

01:35:25.000 Very, it's a lifelong conversation.

01:35:29.000 All right, let's see.

01:35:31.000 Keith McCracken says, Hey Tim, I'm really bummed out that you didn't discuss my comment further, but a lot of problems in the U.S.

01:35:37.000 is undiagnosed mental health, poor diet, and the lack of researching both ends of the topic.

01:35:42.000 Knowledge is ultimate power.

01:35:43.000 You're the best, Ian.

01:35:45.000 Well, there you go.

01:35:46.000 I am the best, Ian.

01:35:48.000 The best I can be.

01:35:49.000 Thank you, dude.

01:35:51.000 Oaken Cable says, feel free to disavow, but instead of cash payments, why not send lead payments?

01:35:56.000 Geez!

01:35:57.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:35:59.000 No, no, no.

01:36:00.000 That's not a good monetary policy.

01:36:03.000 Don't like that.

01:36:05.000 Dr. Remulak says, what in the actual crap is this?

01:36:07.000 I'm tired of this BS.

01:36:08.000 Finish the wall and bring back POTUS 45.

01:36:10.000 Please.

01:36:11.000 He was not perfect, but he had our best interest in mind and heart.

01:36:14.000 Well, the good news is, I guess, Joe Biden wants to build the wall.

01:36:18.000 So there's talk.

01:36:19.000 Yeah.

01:36:20.000 Yeah.

01:36:20.000 Right.

01:36:23.000 Andrew Platt says, you either get banned at Tim Pool or you stay on the platform long enough to see yourself become the Alex Jones.

01:36:30.000 Well, maybe as one would put it, I would say those, you either get banned at Tim Pool or you stay on the platform long enough to become a leftist.

01:36:37.000 There have been a bunch of YouTube personalities who all of a sudden, just their opinions just changed around the time people were getting banned.

01:36:42.000 How interesting is that?

01:36:43.000 So what a coincidence.

01:36:46.000 Chris Lieber says, big shout out to Ian.

01:36:49.000 You're my favorite astral projection.

01:36:51.000 Fellow Ohioan here, east side of Cleveland.

01:36:54.000 I have seen Crystal Elves on DMT and would love to hear you talk more about the subject.

01:36:58.000 Start your own podcast.

01:36:59.000 Much love.

01:37:00.000 Oh, thank you so much.

01:37:00.000 Have you met the Crystal Elves?

01:37:02.000 I have not yet.

01:37:02.000 I've not blasted through on DMT.

01:37:04.000 I just puffed it the first time I took it, and I was in a room.

01:37:08.000 This guy was growing algae in these green tanks behind him, and I could see gravity sucking him down to the earth.

01:37:12.000 Have you ever smoked DMT?

01:37:14.000 No.

01:37:14.000 It's like dimethyltryptamine.

01:37:16.000 Your body produces it.

01:37:17.000 It's in your body, and it kind of is responsible for the dream state that we experience as humans, this chemical.

01:37:22.000 Wow.

01:37:23.000 Really interesting.

01:37:23.000 Amazing stuff.

01:37:24.000 Yeah.

01:37:25.000 The Civic Nationalist says, in Britain, we already tried the market approach.

01:37:29.000 Open borders with legal routes.

01:37:31.000 Our culture is eroded.

01:37:32.000 Limited immigration is better if you want your culture to survive.

01:37:35.000 But your Yanks, you wouldn't understand.

01:37:38.000 Whigs.

01:37:40.000 Alright.

01:37:44.000 Ender says, You said that talented people create investment, which creates work, followed up by saying, work is not finite, but the talented people are finite.

01:37:52.000 After all, how many talented people do you know in your life compared to untalented people?

01:37:58.000 I think people can develop their talents.

01:38:00.000 Yeah.

01:38:02.000 And in a society where jobs are most rapidly being destroyed, that's where talents, varied talents, are most developed.

01:38:09.000 There's just no getting around it.

01:38:11.000 Back before job destruction, you just had to be a farmer no matter what.

01:38:16.000 In my case, I would have been pretty pathetic and probably would have committed suicide early.

01:38:20.000 So, thank goodness for the robots that destroy the work of the past.

01:38:26.000 All right, we got some spicy criticism.

01:38:28.000 You ready for this?

01:38:30.000 Trumpicana says this guy is a neo-feudalist sitting in his ivory tower telling the serfs to eat cake while importing their replacements for half the cost.

01:38:38.000 He doesn't live in reality.

01:38:40.000 Literal Lulbertarian.

01:38:44.000 What can I say?

01:38:46.000 It's always been the case that the past replaces the future and thank goodness that parts of the world are doing the work that we used to do because the work we used to do is something that this person who's criticizing me probably couldn't handle.

01:39:00.000 This person actually is watching TV from a computer and tapping out messages on a computer Will you throw all that away?

01:39:08.000 Because other than the tractor and fertilizer, the computer is easily the biggest displacer of humans in history, and so it's probably a good idea for you to give up that technology if you really feel that way.

01:39:19.000 All right.

01:39:21.000 Let's see.

01:39:23.000 Sugayana Ram says, legal immigration needs to be fixed as well.

01:39:26.000 It's a way for a company to import cheap labor.

01:39:28.000 A lot of legal workers are stuck on visas and companies take advantage of their situation.

01:39:33.000 Government doesn't want to fix.

01:39:35.000 There was one instance where, I saw this documentary, companies would advertise to illegal immigrants, to people in other countries, to illegally immigrate, to work for them.

01:39:44.000 Have them work for a guaranteed wage, standard wage, but then before paying them, they would call ICE or INS and have them all deported, and they would pay nothing.

01:39:54.000 That absolutely meant nobody was getting paid, not the worker, and not... But I suppose that's, you know, people break the law, break the law.

01:39:59.000 That's super shady.

01:40:01.000 I guess it wasn't illegal, though.

01:40:02.000 No, it should be profiting off of someone else for breaking the law is blackmail, I think?

01:40:07.000 And it should be illegal?

01:40:09.000 I think that qualifies as evil.

01:40:11.000 But let's never forget that the most expensive labor in the world is cheap labor.

01:40:17.000 Think about it!

01:40:20.000 Henry Ford, there's this urban myth that Henry Ford raised wages to $5 a day to get his employees to buy cars.

01:40:26.000 Oh please, you think that would sustain the company?

01:40:28.000 He did it because his turnover annually was 370%.

01:40:31.000 He kept losing workers because he wasn't paying them enough.

01:40:36.000 Look in the United States, where does the most investment go?

01:40:39.000 Oh yeah, San Francisco, Boston, New York, to where the labor is most expensive.

01:40:44.000 It's expensive to have cheap labor because they quit, they don't take the job seriously.

01:40:50.000 It's not easy.

01:40:51.000 No one, no business, no one building a business is actively looking for cheap labor.

01:40:55.000 There's just certain jobs that don't don't rate a lot of pay, but there's a big difference.

01:41:01.000 All right.

01:41:02.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:41:03.000 David Palmer says undocumented immigrant slave wage labor is the backbone of the Californian economy.

01:41:08.000 Of course, it is a sanctuary state.

01:41:11.000 Not true.

01:41:13.000 No.

01:41:15.000 I would say that California's economy is backbone.

01:41:18.000 is not its farming economy.

01:41:20.000 Not its farming economy?

01:41:21.000 I thought the farming was a massive, massive portion.

01:41:24.000 I mean, like a third at least, right?

01:41:25.000 No.

01:41:27.000 If it is, I'm very surprised.

01:41:29.000 California's economy is one of the most advanced in the world.

01:41:32.000 As we discussed, California used to be a manufacturing economy in the 1920s and 30s.

01:41:37.000 It no longer is.

01:41:38.000 Thank goodness it isn't.

01:41:39.000 It would be a poor country.

01:41:40.000 It'd be a poor state if it were.

01:41:43.000 A third?

01:41:44.000 Oh wow, California provides a third of the country's vegetables.

01:41:47.000 Wow!

01:41:47.000 Yeah, but that doesn't make it the third largest.

01:41:52.000 It's the first thing that pops up, I don't know.

01:41:55.000 Let's see.

01:41:56.000 Well, we'll have to look that up later, I guess.

01:41:59.000 Alright, let's see what we got.

01:42:01.000 Nick Tilly says, chat has many thumbs downs and dislikes.

01:42:04.000 They are an example of what's wrong with the world.

01:42:06.000 They reject sound logic and truth.

01:42:07.000 Love this podcast and guest.

01:42:09.000 Keep up the good work.

01:42:10.000 Yeah, I'll tell you, one of the biggest problems is that most people, you know, they like the show, they'll give us a thumbs up.

01:42:17.000 Not everybody we're going to have on this show is going to have the same opinion, mind you.

01:42:21.000 So we're going to have people we disagree with and have debates and arguments with.

01:42:24.000 But Crowder was pointing this out too.

01:42:25.000 Steven Crowder was mentioning that So they'll do a segment about something someone is, you know, public figure is saying, and then people will give Crowder a thumbs down because people don't like the opinion from other people on Crowder's show or the segments.

01:42:39.000 So it's like, yeah, you're hurting Crowder or you're hurting us because you don't like the opinions of a particular individual.

01:42:46.000 Honestly, I think there's a lot of people who do that because they want to make sure the conversation can only go in one direction.

01:42:51.000 Because if weaker-minded people would say, oh no, the audience is mad at us because we had a guest who has a bad opinion, I'm gonna be like, I'll book him again.

01:42:59.000 I'm not the smartest person in the world.

01:43:02.000 People disagree with me, and I disagree with people, and we have to have those conversations.

01:43:05.000 Dude, they executed Galileo because he kept saying that the earth revolves around the sun, and so they killed him.

01:43:12.000 That's how much they hated that idea.

01:43:14.000 It's crazy.

01:43:14.000 You can't do that with new ideas.

01:43:16.000 Tolerance.

01:43:17.000 All right.

01:43:17.000 The Quove says, that supercomputer is so cheap because it's made by slaves in China.

01:43:22.000 Please find me a phone made fully in Western countries and compare the cost.

01:43:27.000 It's funny that he says that slaves make it in China because all I know is American businesses are all over China and they say that it's the second largest market for Nike, for McDonald's.

01:43:38.000 There are 4,100 Starbucks in China on the way to 7,000.

01:43:41.000 GM sells more cars in China than it does in North America.

01:43:45.000 If it were slaves working there, how could they afford all these expensive American products?

01:43:49.000 There's this myth about slave labor in China.

01:43:52.000 Oh please, that's just not serious.

01:43:53.000 I mean, the people in the Foxconn labs were walking off the building to their suicide.

01:43:57.000 There are certain, there are always going to be unhappy people in bad work situations, but to pretend that it's slave labor in China presumes that American companies are just there.

01:44:06.000 Why were, I suppose, they were slaves in the Soviet Union.

01:44:09.000 Where were all the American companies in the former Soviet Union?

01:44:12.000 I'm just curious.

01:44:13.000 Plus you need to define slave, like slaves made nothing.

01:44:16.000 But these people are making wages, they're just making low wages.

01:44:19.000 And they're making more and more.

01:44:20.000 The reality is people, I think like 400 bucks a month.

01:44:26.000 There are low-wage workers in the U.S.

01:44:29.000 Let's agree that there are low-wage workers in China, but as evidenced by the fact that so many U.S.

01:44:34.000 businesses are so eager to be there, and businesses from around the world, that are not there because the people are all exploited.

01:44:41.000 Because what would the market be?

01:44:43.000 But yes, there are low-wage workers in China, just as there are in every other country.

01:44:48.000 Maybe slaves made something.

01:44:49.000 I don't know if that's a definitive statement.

01:44:51.000 Slavery itself is a tragic system, but this is not traditional slavery.

01:44:57.000 All right, we got Sideways.

01:44:59.000 He says, should I buy stock in graphene tech early on?

01:45:02.000 I would just like to point out, I bought some stock in a graphene company, and it went up.

01:45:08.000 It improved.

01:45:09.000 Perhaps we will start a graphene company, and then I would encourage you to invest in that to help us grow it.

01:45:14.000 Well, that's a whole other... Yeah, I'm not a financial analyst, so I can't give you a definitive answer, but graphene will be becoming more popular as the years go on.

01:45:23.000 The great companies of the future, if we knew about them, we'd already own them.

01:45:26.000 Which means we don't own them.

01:45:28.000 Go back in time.

01:45:28.000 We don't know the great companies of the future.

01:45:31.000 Everybody wants to go back in time and buy Bitcoin.

01:45:32.000 Yeah, it's so easy to look at it in the rearview mirror.

01:45:35.000 But Amazon is one of the most valuable companies in the world.

01:45:39.000 Its stock imploded more than 20% so many times over the last 20 years.

01:45:44.000 I'll tell you what's funny is it's a rough ride if you're a shareholder.

01:45:47.000 10 years ago, I met a guy who was bragging about how much money he made off his Apple stock.

01:45:52.000 If I had just listened to him and said, I'll buy some Apple stock.

01:45:55.000 Woo.

01:45:56.000 Yep.

01:45:56.000 I'd make a ton of money.

01:45:57.000 But I was like, I don't know.

01:45:58.000 Miss that train, huh?

01:45:59.000 No, no, no.

01:46:00.000 Well, think about Tesla.

01:46:01.000 When did it go public?

01:46:03.000 Think how many years you owned a stock that went nowhere.

01:46:06.000 And then all of a sudden markets discovered the potential.

01:46:09.000 It's a tough business.

01:46:10.000 But but but that's again, I think that speaks why it's hard for the state to control this.

01:46:15.000 Most investors don't presume to know.

01:46:17.000 Wall Street doesn't presume to know what the companies of the future are.

01:46:21.000 or it's very hard to pretend that the state could know.

01:46:26.000 All right.

01:46:27.000 Cassius Cam says millennials don't have jobs because they're soft.

01:46:30.000 I work at a lumber mill.

01:46:31.000 $20 an hour entry level.

01:46:32.000 We can't find young people to hire.

01:46:35.000 They're soft.

01:46:36.000 Wow.

01:46:37.000 Yeah.

01:46:37.000 I, I don't like these, these, I, I tell you, man, I, I made the mistake early on in my career of seeking out college graduates, thinking like, you know, find somebody who's got a degree.

01:46:48.000 My friend said the same thing and it was a mistake.

01:46:51.000 These kids, they, they graduate college, have never had a real job, are soft and incapable.

01:46:56.000 They've spent their whole lives being told what to do.

01:46:58.000 You need to find somebody who can roll up their sleeves and solve a problem.

01:47:01.000 Not everybody's not absolute, but that's what I learned.

01:47:05.000 Yeah.

01:47:06.000 Um, you remember that movie, uh, uh, slacker about Austin, Texas in the early nineties.

01:47:13.000 See, when I got out of college, they said that my generation X was going to be a failure, that we were going to live in our parents' basements, that we would never earn any money.

01:47:20.000 So they made movies about a slacker singles reality bites.

01:47:24.000 There are books about it.

01:47:26.000 Every young generation in America's history has been viewed as soft.

01:47:30.000 There was a famous businessman who said that Americans' youth were so lazy that don't even bother communism on them, they'd be too lazy to produce for others.

01:47:39.000 Who wrote this?

01:47:40.000 Albert Hubbard.

01:47:40.000 He wrote it in 1899.

01:47:41.000 He said the grandparents of the greatest generation We're too lazy and entitled and spoiled.

01:47:47.000 We're always spoiled in the United States.

01:47:50.000 Why?

01:47:50.000 Because we've been defined by constant progress.

01:47:53.000 The way the young people live is so much better than their parents lived.

01:47:56.000 Guaranteed, these young people who are soft today...

01:48:00.000 Give them 20 to 30 years, they'll be saying, these kids coming out of college are so soft.

01:48:05.000 I can't be bothered with them.

01:48:06.000 You guys know the Farside Comics?

01:48:08.000 Gary Larson?

01:48:08.000 Yeah.

01:48:09.000 There's one, I love it.

01:48:10.000 It is a couple of parents sitting, watching their son play Nintendo, and they're imagining job description.

01:48:18.000 Wanted.

01:48:19.000 Super Mario Expert.

01:48:20.000 Defeat Bowser, $10 an hour.

01:48:22.000 Wanted.

01:48:22.000 Super Mario Pro.

01:48:24.000 And it was joking about how these kids playing video games were not gonna get jobs in the future, and now eSports is a massive industry.

01:48:31.000 One of the biggest tournament prize pool for any sport was in video games.

01:48:34.000 You got people who are some of the richest people on the planet playing video games on the internet, and they were made fun of.

01:48:41.000 What people need to realize is that value exchange can be literally anything.

01:48:45.000 So, right now, look at the stupidest thing in the world some kids are doing.

01:48:49.000 There's going to be a community that values whatever that is.

01:48:52.000 Maybe there's kids and they walk around playing patty cake all day.

01:48:56.000 And you're like, oh, these kids and their patty cake trend.

01:48:58.000 And then maybe in the future, there's going to be a group of people large enough to where they value patty cake tournaments and these people can make money from it.

01:49:05.000 I'm not saying that it will be playing patty cake, but who knows?

01:49:08.000 But you're absolutely right.

01:49:10.000 The definition of an entrepreneur is someone who believes something deeply that most everyone rejects.

01:49:18.000 I wrote a book about this called The End of Work, that the future of work in the U.S.

01:49:22.000 is going to be so amazing.

01:49:23.000 And video games was one of them.

01:49:25.000 If you had told someone when I was growing up, think about when you got into video games in the early 1980s.

01:49:30.000 Yeah, I'm going to do this for a job in the future.

01:49:33.000 They would have thought you had a substance abuse problem.

01:49:36.000 If you had said, I'm going to be a video game coach, which there now are and they make a lot of money, they would have committed you.

01:49:43.000 There's a professor entrepreneur, I know his son, 10 years ago said, hey dad, why don't I start taping myself playing video games?

01:49:50.000 People would love to see.

01:49:51.000 He said, have you lost your mind?

01:49:52.000 Well, so of course, there's huge money in that now.

01:49:56.000 The definition of work in a free society changes all the time and in ways that is fascinating.

01:50:02.000 So is it any wonder that kids are soft?

01:50:04.000 What they get to do, what their future of work is going to be so different from the past.

01:50:10.000 A work is a scientific term that just defines energy production, measured in joules.

01:50:15.000 And so, what is work?

01:50:17.000 I mean, we're working right now.

01:50:18.000 We're producing work just by speaking.

01:50:19.000 Can you believe how lucky we are for what we get to do?

01:50:23.000 Because I guarantee your ancestors weren't getting to do something so fun that paid the bills and had lights around them, and getting to project these ideas to so many people.

01:50:34.000 It is amazing.

01:50:35.000 Work is a historical concept, and thank goodness, in free, rich countries, it's constantly changing.

01:50:41.000 That is progress, where the work of the past is being destroyed.

01:50:44.000 It's not a negative, and it's not ivory tower.

01:50:47.000 Now, I'll shout out to our lumber mill friend and just say, there are some people who are faced with a choice.

01:50:53.000 $20 an hour to start in a lumber mill, or $65,000 a year to go work for a rage-bait blog in New York and write about Brad Pitt's junk.

01:51:04.000 Which one's the easier job?

01:51:05.000 Which one do you think they're going to choose to do?

01:51:07.000 I'm not a fan of that.

01:51:08.000 I think people need to learn how to do trades and go work in a lumber mill.

01:51:11.000 And I don't value people writing about Brad Pitt's junk, but the attention economy took over.

01:51:15.000 And keep in mind at the lumber mill, the machines are doing a lot of the work.

01:51:19.000 So that word work is very amorphous.

01:51:23.000 We need to make exosuits.

01:51:24.000 You're right, Ian.

01:51:24.000 Yeah, we do.

01:51:25.000 This dude working in a lumber mill shouldn't have to, they shouldn't hire somebody.

01:51:28.000 They should build massive mechs that can just pick up a giant tree and just go wing and just like...

01:51:35.000 It wouldn't really be effective.

01:51:36.000 I'm convincing Tim to do a show where we go try on exosuits.

01:51:39.000 What?

01:51:39.000 Travel around the world and try on like crazy technologies.

01:51:42.000 Yeah.

01:51:43.000 All right.

01:51:44.000 If you have access, let me know.

01:51:46.000 Philip Somet says, Hey guys, it's my birthday tomorrow.

01:51:48.000 I know you guys like to talk about God a lot.

01:51:50.000 Have you considered having Dr. Tim Mackey from the Bible Project on?

01:51:53.000 He's an interesting Bible scholar and also happens to be a skateboarder.

01:51:56.000 Oh, that sounds pretty cool.

01:51:57.000 Might be fun.

01:51:58.000 I would like to, if we do something like that though, I'd like, I'd like to get some kind of, um, I'd like to have not just a Bible expert, but also maybe like a DMT expert as well, where we can have this intersection between faith, religion, but also psychedelics experience and maybe find some like interesting points that could be made in common.

01:52:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:18.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 Happy birthday, by the way, tomorrow.

01:52:20.000 Absolutely.

01:52:22.000 We got too many super chats, man.

01:52:25.000 Sunny James says, uh, dude, if I hear petro oil came from dinosaur blood one more time, dude, a raccoon died in my front yard and had a 20 foot oil ring.

01:52:34.000 Could have ran an 18 wheeler off one raccoon.

01:52:37.000 Literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard with my own two eyes.

01:52:40.000 Wow.

01:52:40.000 Great super chat.

01:52:43.000 Wow.

01:52:43.000 Uh, I was listening to this podcast, one of the, it's one of the top podcasts and they were like, you know, fossil fuels can't last forever because there's no more dinosaurs.

01:52:52.000 And the other guy's like, yeah, like the dinosaurs are gone.

01:52:54.000 It's like, ah, geez, there's no more fossils, man.

01:52:57.000 First of all, it was not made of dinosaurs.

01:53:00.000 It is just highly compressed organic matter.

01:53:02.000 I believe it's mostly algae.

01:53:03.000 Probably.

01:53:04.000 Oh, probably, yeah.

01:53:05.000 Honestly, your body is secreting oil right now.

01:53:06.000 I wonder if we can utilize that someday.

01:53:07.000 decaying organic matter. More importantly, we already synthesized petroleum by

01:53:12.000 creating... we made algae and then we like superheated and compressed it and turned

01:53:16.000 it into a hydrocarbon fuel. So yes, it can be made if we want to do it.

01:53:20.000 Honestly, your body is a secreting oil right now. I wonder if we can utilize that someday.

01:53:24.000 Maybe.

01:53:26.000 Let's see...

01:53:31.000 Drew Burchett says, hey Tim, you got called out by Steve at PT News as an idiot for your tweet on the PRO Act.

01:53:38.000 Your plan is working.

01:53:40.000 The tweet I put out about the Protect the Right to Organize Act, are you familiar with this?

01:53:46.000 Vaguely.

01:53:47.000 It's, it's, it, the argument is that from many, many people, including on the left,

01:53:51.000 is that it would eliminate freelancing because it's, it's similar to California's AB5, which

01:53:57.000 says, you know, Uber and these companies are exploiting labor and so it empowers unions.

01:54:02.000 And so I tweeted, we must help the Democrats pass the pro act because it will help union,

01:54:08.000 you know, unions and labor rights.

01:54:09.000 It will also destroy rage bait, woke websites because they run off freelance labor.

01:54:17.000 The point of the tweet essentially is, it's true, it will destroy those companies like it did in California, but who is this guy?

01:54:23.000 What's PT News?

01:54:24.000 Is he right or left wing?

01:54:25.000 Because I can imagine they're both mad at me and that's kind of the point.

01:54:27.000 I don't know.

01:54:27.000 I gotta look him up.

01:54:28.000 I'm gonna fight for union labor and destroy leftist rage bait.

01:54:31.000 Both sides getting mad.

01:54:32.000 Thank you.

01:54:33.000 I love it.

01:54:33.000 It took me only like a week to get called left wing by right wing media and right wing by left wing media.

01:54:38.000 Fantastic.

01:54:38.000 Let's see.

01:54:41.000 Skeleton King says I live close to Aliquippa.

01:54:44.000 The downtown area is so bad right now the local leaders need to step up.

01:54:48.000 Bummer.

01:54:50.000 Colin Burke says, Tim, I've got a new album, Louder Actions, and two years clean.

01:54:54.000 I truly believe in my music.

01:54:55.000 Any advice for promo in the digital climate?

01:54:58.000 clear.bandcamp.com, by the way.

01:55:00.000 Love, One Man Music Operation, Colin Burke.

01:55:02.000 Hey, congratulations, dude.

01:55:04.000 Sounds good.

01:55:04.000 Do you have advice for him promoting?

01:55:06.000 I don't know, because I'm trying to promote my song, and I don't even know what we're doing with it.

01:55:09.000 That's asking a lot.

01:55:11.000 Promoting?

01:55:11.000 You can buy Facebook ads, like, target them to people that like that kind of music.

01:55:15.000 I don't know, man.

01:55:16.000 I feel like, I just feel like it's gotta be organic.

01:55:18.000 Like, making YouTube videos consistently every day, but that's a lot of work.

01:55:22.000 We put out, I put out my song, Will of the People, on November 2nd, just before the election, and it's got just about 900,000 views.

01:55:31.000 All organic, no ads, nothing, it's just people listening, some people sharing.

01:55:34.000 I like that.

01:55:37.000 We're thinking about something we can do to promote it, but I kind of feel like we should finish the album first, which who knows how long that'll take because I work too much as it is.

01:55:45.000 Think how amazing that is, though.

01:55:47.000 Did you ever read that Keith Richards biography?

01:55:52.000 So he said if you got studio time in the 60s, you took it.

01:55:56.000 It was so difficult, so expensive to get.

01:55:59.000 Yet here's Tim producing an album and he's reached 900,000 people.

01:56:03.000 Again, the ways in which in the cheap ways, thanks to technology, that you can get things out.

01:56:09.000 That's expensive.

01:56:10.000 Really?

01:56:11.000 Yeah, it's expensive.

01:56:12.000 Wow.

01:56:13.000 Yeah, I mean, we made a video for it, we made a short film, so that was the bulk of the cost.

01:56:20.000 Animation and stuff.

01:56:21.000 But you are right, if you have like a couple, some computer programs, a microphone, and internet access, you can basically produce, if you know what you're doing and you have logic, you know, My friend Dave Days, shout out Dave, one of the OG YouTube million subscribers when he was 18.

01:56:38.000 He's produced a lot of great music just from his room.

01:56:41.000 All right, we got Patrick in Chicago says, I grew up in Flint.

01:56:43.000 Factories left because politics and unions.

01:56:46.000 Talent left when jobs left.

01:56:48.000 Nothing Flint made is unneeded or obsolete, just made by cheap foreign labor and shipped back.

01:56:54.000 SVC industry jobs aren't good paying jobs.

01:56:57.000 Service industry jobs.

01:57:00.000 Austin Unruh says, Ian, the population of the world is aging, and we are on course for a population crash in the next 30 to 40 years, and there is not the population to replace it.

01:57:11.000 That's crazy.

01:57:13.000 Would you not think so?

01:57:14.000 Oh, think about that.

01:57:15.000 The people being born today are going to be exponentially more productive than the people born in the past.

01:57:21.000 The discovery of coal Was thought to be the equivalent of someone suddenly having 20 personal assistants helping him or her doing work.

01:57:30.000 So what does the internet do?

01:57:31.000 What does the computer do?

01:57:32.000 Once again, you guys are producing a TV show from here with exponentially less human labor.

01:57:37.000 The productive capacity of humans today is so amazing relative to the past.

01:57:43.000 Is it any wonder that we're producing less kids?

01:57:45.000 When we used to produce kids because we needed extra hands on the farm.

01:57:49.000 Let's also point out that what's the country that has the lowest birth rate and highest suicide rate?

01:57:56.000 South Korea.

01:57:58.000 Is it struggling right now?

01:57:59.000 No, it's booming.

01:58:01.000 This notion about a population crash, it's basically global warming for the right.

01:58:07.000 There are so many people on the right looking for some reason the world's going to end and this is one of them.

01:58:12.000 Yeah, actually, after the plague in Europe, the economy flourished.

01:58:17.000 You had this high level of technology and lots of people dead, so all of a sudden the economy was just taken off like crazy with all this work that had to be done and all this opportunity to do it.

01:58:25.000 It's kind of nightmarish, you know, that's what caused it, but...

01:58:28.000 Well, and in fairness, let's just look at the Holocaust in Europe.

01:58:32.000 There's this view today in the economics profession that World War II ended the Great Depression.

01:58:38.000 I can't think of something more horrifyingly obtuse.

01:58:41.000 Implicit there is that you can grow your economy by killing your best customers and also sending your best people, your best and brightest, out to war where they can be destroyed.

01:58:49.000 That you can grow your economy by destroying wealth.

01:58:52.000 Imagine where Europe would be today if people like Hitler hadn't destroyed so much human capital.

01:58:59.000 Imagine where Russia would be today if they hadn't gotten into such needless wars.

01:59:05.000 Humans are always the drivers of progress, but to pretend that birth rates are the drivers of progress presumes that Botswana has a much bigger economy than South Korea.

01:59:16.000 And so, no.

01:59:17.000 All right.

01:59:18.000 Stupidly Awesome Gaming says, second time's the charm.

01:59:21.000 Hope this makes it.

01:59:22.000 Please shout out my friend Cameron Zwick for making me a dedicated listener for four years.

01:59:26.000 You inspired me to do more streaming and YouTube.

01:59:29.000 Thank you so much.

01:59:30.000 Much love.

01:59:30.000 Appreciate it.

01:59:31.000 Joshua Albritton says great Gollum impression yesterday loved hearing you

01:59:35.000 and Ian talk Tolkien if interested I translated the entirety of The Hobbit

01:59:39.000 into Elvish won't let me post the link so shoot me a message if you want a free

01:59:43.000 copy FYI Tim is Frodo and I am Sam he has the check He's carrying the ring right now, you guys.

01:59:51.000 It's the darkness of the political, the world.

01:59:55.000 He's taking it on his shoulders.

01:59:56.000 We need to help him destroy the ring.

01:59:57.000 Definitely not, Frodo.

01:59:59.000 Not by choice.

02:00:00.000 No.

02:00:00.000 I just see you carrying the burden.

02:00:02.000 Bro, I'm not, I'm not sitting in that fellowship round table going like, I will carry it.

02:00:08.000 No, I'm sitting there going like, don't look at me.

02:00:09.000 You're the only one that can.

02:00:10.000 I'm not doing it.

02:00:12.000 I don't know why Gandalf gave Frodo the ring.

02:00:13.000 Why was he chosen?

02:00:15.000 No one knows.

02:00:15.000 Because hobbits are less corruptible.

02:00:18.000 They were a simple folk who just wanted to drink and be merry, you know?

02:00:21.000 But why Frodo of all the hobbits?

02:00:22.000 The hobbits weren't a war-like people, right?

02:00:25.000 Well, because Bilbo was the one who found it.

02:00:27.000 And so Frodo was the one who had it, and it just fell upon him.

02:00:30.000 But I mean, you know, Samwise helped.

02:00:31.000 Come on.

02:00:32.000 Dude, Sam!

02:00:32.000 Come on, yeah, what are you doing?

02:00:33.000 Sam's the man!

02:00:34.000 They destroyed it together!

02:00:36.000 That's right.

02:00:37.000 Yeah.

02:00:37.000 Love Sam.

02:00:38.000 And Frodo almost didn't do it.

02:00:40.000 Because of Gollum?

02:00:40.000 No, no, no.

02:00:41.000 Because he was corrupted.

02:00:42.000 And then Gollum... No one can carry that burden alone.

02:00:45.000 Yeah, it's hard.

02:00:45.000 Yeah, man.

02:00:46.000 What great storytelling.

02:00:49.000 I need to watch it again.

02:00:50.000 We just used the One Ring from The Lord of the Rings as an analogy for political power.

02:00:54.000 I think it's a good... I think that was the point, actually.

02:00:57.000 I fell asleep in the first one.

02:00:59.000 I just... I couldn't watch it.

02:01:00.000 Shun!

02:01:01.000 Sacrilege.

02:01:01.000 Shun the non-believer!

02:01:02.000 Out of the studio!

02:01:03.000 Blasphemer!

02:01:04.000 It's worth dosing yourself.

02:01:07.000 Books are great. All right, Garnett says, John, the we do it too is fallacious. Give me an example

02:01:12.000 right now. Not 100 years ago, China enslaves 3 million Uyghurs, forcibly aborts, sterilizes,

02:01:18.000 steals children, murders and sells their organs. China is World War Two Germans.

02:01:22.000 Again, I'm not going to defend certain things that go on in China, but and I love the United

02:01:29.000 States. But have you checked out the Indian Health Service right now?

02:01:33.000 Guess where they send the doctors who can't work anywhere else and who've been de-licensed for fraud?

02:01:38.000 They usually send them to Indian hospitals, just as one example.

02:01:43.000 Should we indict the United States for the mistakes made when it was initially a free country?

02:01:48.000 I think not.

02:01:50.000 It doesn't defend what happened for one second.

02:01:53.000 Slavery was a tragedy.

02:01:55.000 The treatment of the Indians was a tragedy.

02:01:57.000 I do not like what government does, and so let's never forget, government is doing this.

02:02:02.000 I am for limited government.

02:02:04.000 Governments that have too much power constantly make mistakes.

02:02:07.000 Do we want to talk about the millions of Americans presently incarcerated because they have a different way of getting high than the politicians would like?

02:02:16.000 Or they meet the needs of those who have a different way of getting high.

02:02:20.000 The list goes on and on.

02:02:21.000 I don't trust government.

02:02:22.000 You shouldn't either.

02:02:23.000 If I was going to run for office, there would only be one thing I would campaign on if I was going to run for president.

02:02:30.000 One thing.

02:02:30.000 And I'm old enough to run for president now, apparently.

02:02:32.000 And it would be that the only thing I'll do for you, okay, is I'm going to go in and I am going to get a gigantic stack of all of the incarcerated federal inmates on non-violent drug charges We're going to go through them and we're going to remove people who pleaded down from violent charges because someone committed a violent crime.

02:02:52.000 I'm sorry, you go to prison.

02:02:53.000 But for everybody who got arrested because they were doing a little bit of drugs here and there, I'm just going to start rubber stamping pardons.

02:02:59.000 That's it.

02:03:00.000 Rubber stamping those pardons.

02:03:01.000 I'll be in office for one day.

02:03:02.000 I will resign.

02:03:03.000 I'll get a vice president who has a plan or something and I'll just be like, look, you vote for me.

02:03:06.000 I'm going to go in and I'm going to commute the sentences of all of these people, pardon every single one of them.

02:03:11.000 Then I'm going to pass a bunch of executive orders saying, stop enforcing these particular laws, and then they'll sue me and do whatever they want, and then I'll be like, whatever, I don't care, that's my purpose.

02:03:19.000 I'm leaving.

02:03:20.000 I don't want to do anything else.

02:03:21.000 I don't want to be in charge of anybody.

02:03:23.000 I don't want to deal with war.

02:03:24.000 All I want to do is finally get someone to go in and be like, this dude was rocking the ganja by himself, and now he's in prison.

02:03:30.000 None of that.

02:03:31.000 Amen.

02:03:31.000 I want to get granular on all these executive orders you want to sign.

02:03:34.000 You want to what?

02:03:35.000 Tell me about these executive orders you want to sign.

02:03:38.000 Maybe not right now, but... Oh, like, like, stop having the feds go after people who are minding their own business and enjoying, you know, partaking in some contraband substance.

02:03:47.000 Prohibition doesn't work.

02:03:48.000 I'm not a fan of it.

02:03:49.000 If somebody wants to go into, like, their, their, their backroom with dark lights and, you know, blast off to meet the elves, why is it anybody's business?

02:03:56.000 Why, why do you go to prison for that?

02:03:58.000 I don't know.

02:03:59.000 I think it's because they're afraid freethinkers will overthrow the government.

02:04:02.000 places have legalized or decriminalized mushrooms.

02:04:04.000 I think it's because they're afraid free thinkers will overthrow the government.

02:04:07.000 So they're trying to subvert the free thinking.

02:04:09.000 I think.

02:04:10.000 As a dude right now, and he's got some love beads in front of his door.

02:04:14.000 He's got black lights and posters with glowing mushrooms.

02:04:17.000 And all he wants to do is sit there and he got off work.

02:04:20.000 He worked, you know, he's got, he's got a tough, stressful job.

02:04:23.000 Maybe, you know, maybe he works in the sewer.

02:04:25.000 Maybe he's wearing waders in these suits and he's going down and wading through sewers to pull rat kings out of pipes to clear the clogs.

02:04:32.000 And all he wants to do when he gets home is take a little DMT and blast off to meet the elves.

02:04:37.000 A little neurogenesis.

02:04:37.000 Now you go to prison for that.

02:04:39.000 Yep.

02:04:39.000 He's not hurting anybody.

02:04:40.000 No.

02:04:40.000 Well, I suppose if you want him to be of sound mind, there's certain limitations.

02:04:44.000 You know, don't be high while you're in the sewer because, you know, you can get hurt or whatever.

02:04:47.000 But look, there are certain substances that I think, if somebody chooses to do it, it's weird to me that the government puts people in prison for non-violent offenses with no victim.

02:04:57.000 The victim is the person who chose to do it?

02:04:58.000 That's so dumb.

02:04:59.000 Selling it to kids?

02:05:00.000 Okay, that I get.

02:05:01.000 Don't do that kind of stuff.

02:05:03.000 All right, let's see.

02:05:04.000 John Ballew says, Tim, move to Texas.

02:05:06.000 Very business friendly.

02:05:07.000 And there's a ton of us TV and film workers here ready to go.

02:05:10.000 I will say this about Texas.

02:05:12.000 Texas is awesome.

02:05:13.000 It's like probably my favorite state.

02:05:16.000 You know, if I was going to have to pick a state.

02:05:18.000 Because it's Texas, you know what I mean?

02:05:20.000 I mean, you got guns.

02:05:20.000 I love Texas.

02:05:21.000 Yeah, you go to the store, you buy a bottle of whiskey.

02:05:23.000 They by law have to give you, you know, a Smith & Wesson 500 badge.

02:05:28.000 That's a Family Guy joke.

02:05:30.000 The problem is, A lot of people are going to Texas right now, and it feels just like they're following the crowd.

02:05:37.000 You know, so I'm looking for something new.

02:05:38.000 I don't want to do what everyone else does.

02:05:41.000 I want to find something new and build something new.

02:05:43.000 And, uh, yeah, we're out in the middle of nowhere, so we're not in... Well, you mentioned where we were for those... Most people probably know by now.

02:05:50.000 Did I cross the line in saying that?

02:05:52.000 No, because there was an article that came out that like, they were trying to smear me.

02:05:56.000 I don't want to talk too much about it, but they, they went above and beyond to make sure everybody knew exactly where we were.

02:06:02.000 And it's like a mainstream news outlet trying to just, uh, get us hurt, I suppose.

02:06:06.000 But, uh, anybody who wanted to just Google it knows we're in Maryland.

02:06:09.000 So, but, uh, it is what it is.

02:06:12.000 All right.

02:06:13.000 Let's grab some more super chats here.

02:06:14.000 We'll do a little bit more.

02:06:15.000 We're going a little bit over, but we had a ton of super chats.

02:06:17.000 Oh yeah.

02:06:17.000 Thank you guys.

02:06:19.000 This is really good.

02:06:21.000 Archangel says, Ian said graphene, everyone drink.

02:06:24.000 Federal Reserve, graphene, blockchain.

02:06:28.000 And Lord of the Rings.

02:06:29.000 I have more things to say.

02:06:31.000 DMT.

02:06:31.000 Yeah, that too.

02:06:32.000 We got that too.

02:06:34.000 We need to start setting, we need to set up a D&D show, a D&D podcast, I guess.

02:06:40.000 I'm so ready.

02:06:41.000 I have the beginning of the campaign ready to go.

02:06:44.000 We just, I want you guys to make your own characters.

02:06:46.000 Yeah.

02:06:47.000 You know about Dungeons and Dragons?

02:06:49.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:49.000 You ever play it?

02:06:50.000 No, never.

02:06:51.000 I've only ever done that one time at the theater with with with you guys.

02:06:55.000 But it's I think some people probably take it really seriously.

02:06:58.000 I'd imagine where they're actually like taking the numbers down.

02:07:00.000 For us, it was kind of like we're sitting around eating pizza and drinking and cracking jokes about stupid.

02:07:04.000 Guess what character you guys think Tim made for his D&D campaign?

02:07:08.000 And I'll tell you at the end of the show.

02:07:09.000 So type it in chat.

02:07:10.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:11.000 Here's your chance to super chat what you think my D&D character is.

02:07:16.000 And I'm willing to bet people are going to get it.

02:07:18.000 I'm willing to bet people are going to get it.

02:07:21.000 I think people are going to get it.

02:07:22.000 I'll tell you in a minute.

02:07:23.000 All right.

02:07:24.000 Yeah.

02:07:24.000 So we'll read some more Super Chats and then we'll see what you guys say.

02:07:27.000 Artemis Fowl says, what's this guy's social credit score?

02:07:31.000 Uh, seven?

02:07:32.000 Seven.

02:07:33.000 Out of what, though?

02:07:35.000 I don't know.

02:07:35.000 Seven could be good.

02:07:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:37.000 Ten?

02:07:37.000 Ten could be good.

02:07:38.000 Or a thousand?

02:07:39.000 That's bad.

02:07:39.000 2,500.

02:07:39.000 800, like actual credit.

02:07:44.000 All right.

02:07:46.000 Nosferatu says, chat's stuck on CCP shill.

02:07:49.000 Sad.

02:07:50.000 Yeah, there's a decent amount of people who aren't fans.

02:07:53.000 Disagree with China.

02:07:54.000 I think most people are willing to recognize that everybody agrees with them though.

02:07:58.000 It's always hard because I want, you know, I'm not going to shy away from the criticism super chats at the same time, but I don't want to make it seem like everyone's angry when some people are angry.

02:08:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:08:08.000 That's a big topic to talk about a corrupt government and then the economics underneath.

02:08:13.000 This is a good super chat.

02:08:15.000 So my God, this is awesome.

02:08:16.000 LOL says fight me five year bet, John.

02:08:19.000 So, uh, five years, I guess if you're wrong, you gotta, you gotta, you know, Bob.

02:08:24.000 Okay.

02:08:25.000 I better be right then.

02:08:30.000 All right.

02:08:31.000 Tyler Pruitt says China banned Animal Crossing because people were protesting and organizing there.

02:08:36.000 Come on, man.

02:08:37.000 Come on, man!

02:08:38.000 Come on, man!

02:08:39.000 Come on, China's banning Animal Crossing!

02:08:40.000 Yeah, people, I guess, were putting Free Hong Kong and Animal Crossing so they got rid of the game.

02:08:45.000 Geez.

02:08:46.000 Too late.

02:08:50.000 Trent Lomelino says, John is a CCP operative.

02:08:53.000 Prove me wrong.

02:08:55.000 If only I was an operative, that would presume they were paying me something.

02:08:59.000 Pay pretty well, right?

02:08:59.000 No, you know, look, it's interesting how there are pro, pro, like America first libertarians, and then more open trade, open, I don't know what's the right word for that, economic trade, international trade libertarians, where they're like, I don't think I've met a big ol' libertarian that's outright said, open the borders, entirely no restrictions.

02:09:22.000 I think it's mostly similar to what you're saying, like, legalize it, have them come in through the normal process, but make it a lot easier.

02:09:28.000 Is that common?

02:09:29.000 Yeah, probably in my perfect world, yeah.

02:09:33.000 Look, borders are open in the United States right now.

02:09:35.000 It's not like everyone's flowing out of West Virginia into Virginia.

02:09:38.000 I mean, think about it.

02:09:41.000 Well, West Virginia offered to actually annex several parts of Virginia because of their laws.

02:09:47.000 People are flooding out of Michigan like crazy.

02:09:50.000 Yeah, they are, but Michigan's still got a population.

02:09:53.000 You know, Texas has always bragged that they take people from California at a high rate every day.

02:09:59.000 You know, Texas used to be Mexico.

02:10:02.000 So, wait, wait, wait.

02:10:03.000 So we like them if they're in Texas, but we don't like if they come from Mexico.

02:10:08.000 In my perfect idealistic world, market forces apply to everything.

02:10:14.000 In human capital, they want to come to the United States.

02:10:17.000 Obviously, they're not going to Haiti.

02:10:18.000 Haiti doesn't have an immigration problem, does it?

02:10:21.000 And so I would like to legalize it, but I think it's worth compromising on this one.

02:10:26.000 Just say, okay, just announce yourself.

02:10:29.000 Works legal.

02:10:30.000 Citizenship is probably a more distant object.

02:10:32.000 Most of them don't want it in the first place.

02:10:33.000 They just want to work here.

02:10:34.000 It's a market signal.

02:10:36.000 If we crash the economy, they won't be coming here.

02:10:39.000 All right, Madison McAfee says, Tim, you should invite a rational and logical female millennial obtaining a BS in maths with concentration in stats who goes against your stigmas.

02:10:50.000 I mean, me.

02:10:51.000 Invite me.

02:10:51.000 Also, Ian, 2 plus 2 equals 4.

02:10:53.000 Base number systems has nothing to do with the argument.

02:10:56.000 Ooh, you gotta smack that one.

02:10:58.000 Oh, snap.

02:10:59.000 Snap.

02:11:00.000 Oh, man.

02:11:01.000 Pat that person on.

02:11:03.000 Madison, send an email to what's been the UFO.

02:11:05.000 Yeah.

02:11:06.000 Yeah, we'll figure something out.

02:11:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:11:08.000 Everyone wants to be on the show, though, so I'm not trying to, you know.

02:11:11.000 I was kind of being facetious because I don't know who you are, but I liked your comment.

02:11:14.000 Do you like to bet them a little bit?

02:11:17.000 Rocky Truman says, are you wearing off?

02:11:19.000 Last night you were swatting bugs, not so much tonight.

02:11:22.000 Okay.

02:11:24.000 So we're in the studio.

02:11:25.000 I heard about this.

02:11:27.000 There's no food in the studio.

02:11:29.000 The closest thing we have to it is there's a bowl of fruit snacks that no one really ever takes.

02:11:34.000 Was someone barbecuing downstairs though?

02:11:35.000 I thought I smelled something.

02:11:36.000 Yeah, probably.

02:11:37.000 Yeah, so food's downstairs, way far away.

02:11:38.000 Okay, so Ian is his coffee, but we come up, we come up and the studio table is covered in ants.

02:11:44.000 So I guess what happens is it got warm and they started looking for food and stuff.

02:11:49.000 It is possible someone put like a something in the trash can, like a...

02:11:53.000 were nowhere near the trash.

02:11:54.000 Empty bottle of sweet sugar.

02:11:56.000 They were on the table not doing anything.

02:11:59.000 They were just randomly running around.

02:12:01.000 There's no line of them?

02:12:02.000 No, no line.

02:12:03.000 They were probably just looking for stuff.

02:12:06.000 And yes, Tim was swatting ants all night.

02:12:07.000 Yeah, I was going like this, picking them up and flicking them.

02:12:10.000 Six million tissues.

02:12:11.000 I picked the night right.

02:12:12.000 I don't think there's any.

02:12:13.000 I haven't seen any.

02:12:14.000 I've seen a few.

02:12:14.000 I have not been attacked by even one.

02:12:16.000 Good, good.

02:12:16.000 They're very friendly.

02:12:17.000 It's a great first impression for Jim.

02:12:19.000 All right.

02:12:20.000 The Red Hydra says, have you considered Jacksonville, Florida for a new home base?

02:12:23.000 We got plenty of property, great beaches, an international airport, Kona skate park, no state tax, and so much more.

02:12:29.000 Plus, it's Florida.

02:12:30.000 We're back in business.

02:12:31.000 It is beautiful, Jacksonville.

02:12:33.000 I love it there.

02:12:34.000 But it's so hot.

02:12:36.000 Jacksonville is what?

02:12:38.000 That's closer to the Panhandle, right?

02:12:39.000 It's up north?

02:12:39.000 It's like you're in Georgia, but you're in Florida.

02:12:42.000 So you get the right wingness if you prefer that of Georgia, but you get Florida taxes.

02:12:47.000 It's just, it's just, it's just too hot.

02:12:50.000 Too muggy.

02:12:50.000 Florida!

02:12:51.000 Luke loves Florida.

02:12:52.000 It's hot as H here in the summertime.

02:12:54.000 That's true.

02:12:55.000 It's not that bad.

02:12:55.000 We're near Washington, D.C.

02:12:56.000 Washington, D.C.

02:12:57.000 is just... Swamp.

02:12:59.000 Awful.

02:12:59.000 Absolutely.

02:12:59.000 Yeah, swamp.

02:13:00.000 Wasn't it literally a swamp?

02:13:02.000 Yes, I think so.

02:13:02.000 I mean, I think that's the point, right?

02:13:04.000 Right, right, right.

02:13:06.000 Alright, Arbiter Media says, another Ian Special move could be a backhand releasing the code, leaving opponents dazed and dumbfounded by so much knowledge, but power only him and Tim can harness.

02:13:20.000 I'll be like, and then you'll see like the green letters behind me like the matrix letters.

02:13:25.000 Ian's free the code ability is where he fires, he connects the graphene wires from his fingertips to the person and it disables their technology.

02:13:34.000 And like, like whatever their special moves are, you'll see code burst from their tech and their tech shuts off.

02:13:39.000 And then it stuns their specials for like five or 10 seconds.

02:13:41.000 It's gonna be a cybernetic fighting game.

02:13:45.000 Well, some people have magic powers, you know.

02:13:47.000 Jordan Peterson, his super move, will be that he looks down, and energy starts coming off of his body, and then he punches the ground, and then all of a sudden a gigantic lobster erupts, and then he rides it, and then it slams at you.

02:14:03.000 Lobster summon.

02:14:05.000 And Joe Rogan would literally just be normal MMA moves.

02:14:08.000 All normal MMA stuff.

02:14:09.000 He'd be like the wrestler, like Zangief.

02:14:12.000 Is it Zangief?

02:14:13.000 Zangief, I think.

02:14:14.000 Zangief.

02:14:15.000 I tried to go in the middle.

02:14:17.000 All right, all right, all right.

02:14:18.000 We've gone along.

02:14:18.000 I want to see if people, what their guesses were to...

02:14:22.000 Uh, what they- what they thought I would be.

02:14:24.000 And, uh, so let- let's- let's see what we got here.

02:14:28.000 What kind of D&D character do you think Tim made?

02:14:30.000 Yeah, so some- we'll see some superchats of what people thought I made.

02:14:32.000 What kind of weapon- or weapons was he using?

02:14:35.000 What was his class in this race?

02:14:37.000 Alright, so, this is wrong.

02:14:39.000 Jack Bensevenga says, I don't know much about D&D, but I'm assuming Tim was a bard of some sort.

02:14:44.000 Incorrect.

02:14:45.000 Close.

02:14:46.000 Close?

02:14:46.000 Well, I'll say why I said that was close afterwards.

02:14:48.000 That's not close.

02:14:50.000 Ian should watch Nights of... I don't know what that is.

02:14:54.000 Let's see, another person said Tim is a bard for sure.

02:14:57.000 Absolutely incorrect.

02:14:58.000 You would like that class though.

02:14:59.000 Bard?

02:15:00.000 No, I wouldn't.

02:15:01.000 Absolutely not.

02:15:03.000 We went over this!

02:15:03.000 Well, they're similar.

02:15:05.000 Okay.

02:15:05.000 Do you want me to tell?

02:15:06.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:15:08.000 But not even, not even class.

02:15:09.000 Uh, uh, I'll tell you this.

02:15:11.000 Red Corvin was close because he's given, he's given the race as well.

02:15:15.000 Halfling, half elf, half human mage.

02:15:18.000 Very, very close.

02:15:20.000 Very close.

02:15:21.000 Yes.

02:15:22.000 All right.

02:15:23.000 Let's see.

02:15:24.000 Small insects live in banana peels.

02:15:26.000 Look it up.

02:15:27.000 Thank you.

02:15:27.000 Oh my God.

02:15:28.000 This is awesome.

02:15:28.000 LOL.

02:15:29.000 That was a very, very important super chat.

02:15:30.000 No bananas up here, guys.

02:15:32.000 None.

02:15:32.000 All right, I guess there's not many people who have any other guesses.

02:15:34.000 All right, well, the answer is... Wait, wait, wait!

02:15:37.000 Gotta make sure.

02:15:39.000 Gotta make sure.

02:15:40.000 I want to be fair to the people who super chatted with their guess.

02:15:43.000 Yeah.

02:15:45.000 I don't see it.

02:15:46.000 No, I think that's it.

02:15:46.000 I think most people are just complaining about China.

02:15:48.000 Tim was a quarter elf rogue.

02:15:53.000 Quarter elf, right?

02:15:54.000 I mean, he was a half elf for the rules, but are you a quarter Korean?

02:15:58.000 Can I be a quarter elf?

02:16:00.000 Yeah, you get the same bonuses as a half elf.

02:16:01.000 But you're basically a half elf.

02:16:02.000 But he was a charismatic diplomat, kind of like the Bard.

02:16:06.000 The Bard relies heavily on charisma and has some rogue abilities, like pickpocketing.

02:16:10.000 But I was a rogue with high charisma.

02:16:12.000 Yep.

02:16:12.000 Yeah, and it was it was funny.

02:16:14.000 I convinced a barmaid to give everyone goat's milk which turned out to be spoiled and then I Spoiled goat's milk is just chef and everyone enjoyed it.

02:16:22.000 They celebrated having goat's cheese.

02:16:24.000 I remember that basically You know, we're not the kind of people that play D&D like all serious like I am a wizard and I will blast you with magic It's more like alright So my guy, you know He punches a dude in the balls and then steals his beer and then we're all drinking three guys stand up around him roll initiative.

02:16:37.000 Yeah That's what you say when conflict emerges.

02:16:40.000 Yeah, it was just fun, silly jokes.

02:16:42.000 That's why it would be a great, like, podcast show, because it's basically just people hanging out, cracking jokes, and it's just comedy.

02:16:49.000 It's just fun silliness.

02:16:50.000 And, you know, like, I grab the chicken from outside and I throw it at the guy and the chicken scratches his face and other silly nonsense.

02:16:57.000 All right, everybody.

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02:18:52.000 That'll be awesome.

02:18:53.000 And you want to shout anything out?

02:18:54.000 I know you got a book, John.

02:18:55.000 Oh, well, thank you so much.

02:18:56.000 What a pleasure it was to be here.

02:18:58.000 Yes, this is my new book.

02:19:01.000 Everyone should buy several copies or something like that, but thank you so much for engaging me.

02:19:05.000 Great conversation.

02:19:06.000 I learned so much.

02:19:07.000 Yeah, I thought it was fantastic.

02:19:07.000 I was flattered to be here.

02:19:08.000 Thanks for coming.

02:19:09.000 Oh yeah, your Twitter?

02:19:10.000 What is your Twitter?

02:19:11.000 Oh, at John Tamney.

02:19:12.000 So, very original.

02:19:14.000 Again, the name John Tamney.

02:19:16.000 When Politicians Panicked.

02:19:17.000 When Politicians Panicked is the book.

02:19:19.000 It's on all the major platforms to be This was really enjoyable, man.

02:19:25.000 Thanks for coming.

02:19:26.000 Thank you.

02:19:26.000 I kind of feel like we barely kind of scratched the surface on some issues about economy, but it was really, really great to hear a lot about from what your perspective on this stuff is.

02:19:35.000 Well, thank you very much.

02:19:36.000 I learned so much.

02:19:37.000 Thanks for coming.

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02:20:15.000 So if you want to get involved with that, if you're a developer and you'd like to help, please contact me on Twitter with a direct message.

02:20:21.000 You can also message me on Mines, and I'll set you up with our chatroom, our Fediverse chatroom.

02:20:26.000 The idea basically is if you want to create a page that's like a subscription service, Patreon, we would give you this open source package that you could just install on a server, you know, let's say you buy server space from some company, you have a domain name, you click this button, boom, it expands, it runs on the server, and now you've got your own version of like TimCast.com or something.

02:20:47.000 Where you can upload content for members only.

02:20:50.000 You can take membership subscriptions.

02:20:52.000 So then all of these independent commentators, creators, influencers don't need to give 10% to some company for no reason.

02:20:59.000 There'll be an open source version.

02:21:00.000 The open source team will build upon it because they want to build upon it.

02:21:04.000 I mean, we use open source software across the board for a lot of what we do.

02:21:07.000 And a lot of people need to realize this too.

02:21:08.000 A lot of servers run on Linux.

02:21:10.000 Because it's free, it's cheap, it's effective.

02:21:12.000 Open source is amazing.

02:21:14.000 And I really want to, uh...

02:21:16.000 I want to get rid of these middlemen who can ban you, who can destroy your careers and destroy your lives.

02:21:21.000 The best part is, though, what we want to do with the Fediverse.

02:21:23.000 This is a decentralized network for social media.

02:21:26.000 The idea would be, on your website, there's a networking discover section, which shows you all these other websites that use the same service, so it creates a decentralized network of people just using a similar code.

02:21:38.000 Effectively, A totally decentralized social media subscription influencer platform no one can ban you from except your own business partner.

02:21:45.000 So that's the plan, man.

02:21:47.000 But Ian's basically running it, so... Get involved.

02:21:50.000 Hit you up on Twitter?

02:21:51.000 Hit me up on Twitter, man.

02:21:52.000 Right on.

02:21:52.000 Let's do this.

02:21:53.000 We also got Sour Patch Lids.

02:21:54.000 I am technically here pushing buttons in the corner.

02:21:57.000 I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and mine's in Gab Instagram.

02:22:02.000 I am Sour Patch Lids on a few platforms, so just follow me wherever.

02:22:07.000 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:22:08.000 Check out TimCast.com, become a member, and we will see you all next time.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - April 09, 2021

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